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279395 Seansaighdeoir, replying to Seansaighdeoir, 63, #1 of 2196 🔗

The world has gone insane

279561 ▶▶ Ned of the Hills, replying to Seansaighdeoir, 3, #2 of 2196 🔗


279667 ▶▶ THE REAL NORMAL PODCAST, replying to Seansaighdeoir, 4, #3 of 2196 🔗

THAT IT HAS! But here’s some sanity in a world of complete madness…and a laugh!

Our latest podcast is all about the R number, an out of control police with some excellent songs included!

280509 ▶▶ Voz 0db, replying to Seansaighdeoir, 7, #4 of 2196 🔗

Nah… It’s just a little bit different from what it was a few months ago. But it is a good thing because now we can actually see on the street who are the real moron slaves, and fuckin’ hell, the size of the herd is mind boggling.

280751 ▶▶ Lms23, replying to Seansaighdeoir, #5 of 2196 🔗


281044 ▶▶ Dale, replying to Seansaighdeoir, 2, #6 of 2196 🔗

I can’t think of a single country that has wholly kept its wits. There are only dauntless individuals.

279396 theanalyst, replying to theanalyst, #7 of 2196 🔗

First again!

279398 ▶▶ tonyspurs, replying to theanalyst, 2, #8 of 2196 🔗

Call it a tie 😁

279413 ▶▶▶ Sir Patrick Vaccine, replying to tonyspurs, 19, #9 of 2196 🔗

Dear Lockdowns and co Council officials trick a pub manager into serving him a drink and then close him down

Nigel Farage Investigates: Why are the authorities attacking our pubs?

279731 ▶▶▶▶ crimsonpirate, replying to Sir Patrick Vaccine, 1, #10 of 2196 🔗

didn’t realise you had to pre order to obtain a take away pint?

280681 ▶▶▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to crimsonpirate, #11 of 2196 🔗

Preparation for the social credit system, tracking your alcohol consumption!

280358 ▶▶▶▶ William Gruff, replying to Sir Patrick Vaccine, 5, #12 of 2196 🔗

Only direct action by the public against the petty fascists enforcing unconstitutional restrictions can stop them. A few beatings, perhaps an ‘unfortunate’ death or two, bricks through windows, burnt out cars &c are quite likely to encourage some self-restraint in our now over-mighty servants.

Impotent rage is useless, action is required.

280513 ▶▶▶▶ Voz 0db, replying to Sir Patrick Vaccine, #13 of 2196 🔗

Just beat the shit out of those scoundrels that soon they lose the desire to play with other slaves.

279418 ▶▶▶ annie, replying to tonyspurs, 4, #14 of 2196 🔗

Mine’s a cravat.

279610 ▶▶▶ IanE, replying to tonyspurs, 1, #15 of 2196 🔗

Better a tie than a tier!

279669 ▶▶▶ theanalyst, replying to tonyspurs, #16 of 2196 🔗

I am happy to concede defeat.

279397 tonyspurs, replying to tonyspurs, 4, #17 of 2196 🔗

Insomnia wins now where did I put that scotch egg??

279399 ▶▶ Dorian_Hawkmoon, replying to tonyspurs, 1, #18 of 2196 🔗

Ooh I could murder a scotch egg.

279419 ▶▶▶ annie, replying to Dorian_Hawkmoon, 4, #19 of 2196 🔗

A bad one? Try a Turdgeon.

279400 Cristi.Neagu, replying to Cristi.Neagu, 18, #20 of 2196 🔗

Wow. I’m stunned. My Labour MP (who previously said she voted for lockdown in line with her party) has now voted against the tiers. Guess she was a bit miffed her constituency falls in tier 3.

279402 ▶▶ tonyspurs, replying to Cristi.Neagu, 3, #21 of 2196 🔗

My Tory MP voted against the lockdown but voted for the Tier system ,I sent him a nice email 1st time looks like the 2nd won’t be the same , he’s the MP of that notorious Covid hotbed of Swale so maybe he was whipped into an aye vote

279438 ▶▶▶ Nigel Sherratt, replying to tonyspurs, 4, #22 of 2196 🔗

It’s all the fault of ‘those people’ on ‘The Island’ of course! Remind him what happened in the local elections (here in Faversham too, thrillingly!). That was just Brexit not the economic destruction of the whole country.

279472 ▶▶▶▶ tonyspurs, replying to Nigel Sherratt, 5, #23 of 2196 🔗

I’m from “The Island” don’t live there now but my boys do and they’ve been naughty sceptics

279482 ▶▶▶▶▶ Jonathan Palmer, replying to tonyspurs, 3, #24 of 2196 🔗

I have a chalet on the Island.During the summer there was a distinct lack of social distancing and mask wearing.Now there is an outbreak;they must have ramped up the testing there?

279495 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ tonyspurs, replying to Jonathan Palmer, 4, #25 of 2196 🔗

Yeah they did a couple of testing stations as far as I’m aware ,the boys told me people were flocking there so they could say I’ve got Covid ..it’s not called The Island of Sheep for nothing

279504 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ stefarm, replying to Jonathan Palmer, 1, #26 of 2196 🔗

Isn’t there a prison on the island? Increased testing there perhaps

279520 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ tonyspurs, replying to stefarm, 2, #27 of 2196 🔗

There’s 2 an open prison and high security prison apparently it’s rampant in there but who knows

279589 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ stefarm, replying to tonyspurs, 3, #28 of 2196 🔗

Rampant testing probably

279550 ▶▶▶▶ Judy Watson, replying to Nigel Sherratt, 1, #29 of 2196 🔗

Sorry but what island are you talking about?
The Isle of Wight is in Tier 1

279583 ▶▶▶▶▶ LS99, replying to Judy Watson, 2, #30 of 2196 🔗

Good question, I thought they were talking about Swaledale in Yorkshire but I think they might be talking about The Borough of Swale in Kent and The Isle of Sheppey … but if someone can confirm it.

279600 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ tonyspurs, replying to LS99, 3, #31 of 2196 🔗

Yes it’s the Isle of Sheppey Kent’s only Sunshine Isle haha
Sheppey is derived from Old English Sceapig, meaning “Sheep Island”.

279733 ▶▶▶▶ crimsonpirate, replying to Nigel Sherratt, 2, #32 of 2196 🔗

I blame the micropubs-fermenting revolution

279433 ▶▶ Barney McGrew, replying to Cristi.Neagu, 7, #33 of 2196 🔗

Guess she was a bit miffed her constituency falls in tier 3.

Quite possibly, but wouldn’t that, in fact, be a logical inconsistency? If you are genuinely scared of the virus, you would simply want your constituents to be ‘safe’ at the appropriate level of ‘tier’. And in such a case, wouldn’t you be implicitly declaring that you trust the government scientists?

If you are miffed at being placed in tier 3, doesn’t this mean you no longer trust SAGE and their ‘science’? Or maybe you think the government are, for some reason, insincere in what they are doing. In which case, why believe ANYTHING that these people say? If you are miffed at tier 3, shouldn’t the whole thing fall apart in front of your eyes?

279719 ▶▶▶ GCarty80, replying to Barney McGrew, 1, #34 of 2196 🔗

Two possibilities:

  1. She wants her area (and possibly other tier 3 areas) to get more money from the Treasury, or
  2. She’d rather that the full lockdown be extended.
279401 Cristi.Neagu, 2, #35 of 2196 🔗

Whoever wrote that title for the Sun… show yourself out.

279404 Tom Blackburn, replying to Tom Blackburn, 11, #36 of 2196 🔗

What exactly has Wanksock been up to in that pub for him to have to bung the landlord £30M??

279500 ▶▶ Chris John, replying to Tom Blackburn, 5, #37 of 2196 🔗

blowing a goat. pass it on. Wanksock prefers goaties.

279405 Cristi.Neagu, replying to Cristi.Neagu, 31, #38 of 2196 🔗

Julia Hartley-Brewer’s interview with Bob Stewart is absolutely infuriating to watch. What an idiot.

279483 ▶▶ Basileus, replying to Cristi.Neagu, 10, #39 of 2196 🔗

I wonder what the squaddies made of him when he was in command?

279531 ▶▶▶ Biker, replying to Basileus, 12, #40 of 2196 🔗

to be fair to squaddies they’re dumb as fuck that’s why they’re in the army so he probably appears like Einstein to them

279544 ▶▶▶▶ Horatio Tremoine, replying to Biker, 7, #41 of 2196 🔗

perchance you’ve been reading old copies of the Dandy – todays OR’s and NCO’s are anything but ‘dumb’ or intellectually challenged, you need a decent IQ and quick thinking for the military of today

279626 ▶▶▶▶▶ Simon Dutton, replying to Horatio Tremoine, 3, #42 of 2196 🔗

Anyone who signs up to be a government thug is ipso facto a cretin or a psychopath. That applies to the police as well. See here:


280360 ▶▶▶▶▶ TJN, replying to Horatio Tremoine, 1, #43 of 2196 🔗

The example of Mr Johnny Mercer MP, in a nearby Devon constituency, suggests otherwise.

279904 ▶▶▶▶ Anne Passman, replying to Biker, 2, #44 of 2196 🔗

I think I disagree. The phrase “lions led by donkeys” from World War 1 is applicable here, I think. And lots of the really high rankers are political animals as well. Besides, the squaddies have to obey their senior officer, however dumb he/she is.

279567 ▶▶ CGL, replying to Cristi.Neagu, 6, #45 of 2196 🔗

3 points about that apart from the ridiculous put down of anyone who is on the internet not having been to university-
1. Carl Heneghan would not be interested in the corruption and cronyism of anything involving politics or politicians I wouldnt think
2. He is only interested in evidence which is clearly at odds with SAGE
3. This idiot says the government is trying to get the evidence together – so what the hell are they basing the decisions they are already making on – the evidence should already be there to present.

279572 ▶▶ Jack62, replying to Cristi.Neagu, 7, #46 of 2196 🔗

And we pay these public servants? He couldn’t get a job shovelling shit…

279601 ▶▶ Llamasaurus Rex, replying to Cristi.Neagu, 7, #47 of 2196 🔗

Absolutely excruciating. So ignorant, intellectually lazy and shoddy, arrogant.

279918 ▶▶▶ Anne Passman, replying to Llamasaurus Rex, 5, #48 of 2196 🔗

So email him, telling him. I have. If you are not his constituent, he won’t reply, but sure as hell his SPAD/ secretary/ sidekick will tell him about the flak if we make enough. Same for Johnson, Hancock, Vallance, Whitty. Their emails are out there – give them hell. Gum up their in boxes. Call them liars etc. And all it takes is a few minutes of your time. Oh, and send the odd email to an anti-tier MP – praise them – they need to be bolstered.

281080 ▶▶▶▶ Llamasaurus Rex, replying to Anne Passman, #49 of 2196 🔗

Quite right. I email these W ⚓️ s quite often. Never used to! I’ll make a point of doing so to this plonker.

279888 ▶▶ HelenaHancart, replying to Cristi.Neagu, 5, #50 of 2196 🔗

Spouting the same old predictable and dreary lines, too.They’re getting so worn and thin there are holes appearing all over place(!) Julia was bloody great, though.

279896 ▶▶ Anne Passman, replying to Cristi.Neagu, 7, #51 of 2196 🔗

I have just listened to it and sent him an email as I was listening. maybe one of the things we need to do is to deluge anti-tier MPs with praise and those who voted for them with disgust, contempt, anger, detailed figures, telling them to read the GBD etc. How he can dismiss Gupta, Lee, Henegan etc as “not being on SAGE”. If you are not an MPs constituent they will generally not answer you, but I’m sure their SPADs report on the flak. So give them some. Do the same to Johnson, Hancock, Vallance and Whitty – their email addresses are out there. Call them liars. Call them inhuman. Hold them responsible for the deaths, bankruptcies, mental health problems, child abuse, that have taken place under their despotism. There is another way – until they take it, try to make their lives as much hell as they have for the thousands of businesses who are going bust.
Show no mercy. They deserve none

279406 Nigel Sherratt, replying to Nigel Sherratt, 9, #52 of 2196 🔗

Response to usual BS email from Helen Whately explaining why the whole of Kent must be incarcerated (unsurprisingly she’d like to remain a Minister of State).

Depressing ascientific gobbledegook unsurprisingly. There is no evidence (despite Prof. Ferguson’s laughable efforts) to show that the interventions have achieved anything. If anything the mask mandate seems to have coincided with a surprising (for summer) increase in fatal COVID-19 infections.

What you describe as ‘cases’ are positive PCR test results, most of which are false positives as the LFT work in Liverpool demonstrated (attached).

When you meet the Prime Minister in the lobby ask him what results the Carthaginians achieved by sacrificing even their own children to Baal Hammon.

(Attached was Craig, Engler, Yeadon and McNeill’s Briefing for MPs, inserted into the email was a screen shot of the final slide from Ivor Cummins podcast linked yesterday). The slide (showing coincidence with minimum fatal infections of the mask mandate) made me laugh at first but it seems there may be a genuine effect!

279422 ▶▶ annie, replying to Nigel Sherratt, 13, #53 of 2196 🔗

Carthage was destroyed and the ruins ploughed into the ground and salted. But you can still see, on the site, the remains of a ‘tophet’ in which children were burned alive.

The zombies are throwing Britain’s children into the metaphorical flames.
Delenda est haec administratio.

279436 ▶▶▶ Nigel Sherratt, replying to annie, 6, #54 of 2196 🔗

The detail that struck me (a mere engineer and not a classical scholar unlike the dPPE) was the Carthaginian aristos buying poor children to sacrifice but finally realising that Baal Hammon was displeased and sacrificing even more of their own children to placate him/ze/it.

Possibly all Roman black propaganda of course!

279932 ▶▶▶ Anne Passman, replying to annie, 2, #55 of 2196 🔗

I’ll go with the Latin. Dulce et decorum est per patria scrivere. Email them. Their email addresses are out there. Tell them how you feel. Tell them to read the GBD. Call them liars. OK, so if you are not their constituent they will at best send you an automated response, but I’m sure their hired hands report back on the flak they’re getting. So give them plenty. Gum up their in boxes with facts, details, etc. and hassle them – they’ve made our lives unbearable for the past 8 months – give it back in spades.

280718 ▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to annie, #56 of 2196 🔗

ad meliora!

279407 karenovirus, replying to karenovirus, 17, #57 of 2196 🔗

From the article ‘A day in the life of a Covid19 Physician’
When Nortumbrian Nomad first posted that link two days ago ze 😉 included the attached quote about hancock.

One of my first posts on LS, in May I think, recalled how under a Blair government there was a bad flu year that some of the press were getting excited about.
Blair appointed a Flu Tzar ‘to crack some heads in the NHS and get it sorted’.

Two weeks later the Flu Tzar was all over the media claiming success in beating the virus.

I mentioned this to a senior medic who replied “That’s a load of nonsense, we got over the worst a month ago and the numbers were going down before he was appointed.”

I suggested at the time that they might repeat this sleight of hand but never did I believe they would spin it out for the best part of a year.

279408 ▶▶ Tom Blackburn, replying to karenovirus, 2, #58 of 2196 🔗


279535 ▶▶▶ Biker, replying to Tom Blackburn, 12, #59 of 2196 🔗

If that were my mother i’d now be richer than i could dream. I’m not saying i’d want that to happen to her but she’s old and very rich and, well you know, i’m just saying.

279855 ▶▶▶▶ Matt The Cat, replying to Biker, 5, #60 of 2196 🔗

Same here, Bikey. My mother was, up until recently, like me. No-nonsense and not fooled by anything/anyone. I don’t know what happened but she’s now a prize, “Grade A” bedwetter – as is “Pater”, in fact, and they’ve completely lost me.

I know it sounds like a terrible thing to say but I’ve said it here before – they’re living a living death thanks to swallowing the Branch Covidian’s propaganda hook, line and sinker – and I really couldn’t care less whether they live or die.

I only see them about 3 times a year. Me and Mrs Cat are visiting them at the weekend for what’s laughingly known as our “Family Christmas”.

I’ve already been told to keep my mouth shut whilst there. Everyone who knows me would know THAT ain’t gonna happen!

Should be “fun”, eh? 🙁

In response to the old newspaper picture, my reply would be “She wouldn’t give a monkey’s, she’d be dead” ;-D

281060 ▶▶▶▶ Watt, replying to Biker, #61 of 2196 🔗

So…you’re deep sadness at the passing of the one who gifted you life itself, would be tempered. I get that.

279410 ▶▶ karenovirus, replying to karenovirus, 3, #62 of 2196 🔗


279460 ▶▶ Steve, replying to karenovirus, 11, #63 of 2196 🔗

A medically qualified relative of my sister in law earned a significant amount of money that winter selling a prepaid queue-jumping service to get priority access to Tamiflu when the expected Bird Flu epidemic arrived in the UK. As we know, it never did, but he still pocketed the money, despite never having had to actually buy the medication. As always, there’s a lot of money to be made out of these scares.

280731 ▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Steve, #64 of 2196 🔗

Is he a friend of Ferguson’s by any chance?

279411 Digital Nomad, replying to Digital Nomad, 24, #65 of 2196 🔗

Easy for Pr ofessor Ramesh Thakur to advocate voluntary arrest from his academic ivory tower. For those of us in the real world with proper jobs and actual mouths to feed, a criminal record could – and would, in this day and age – not only lead to swift dismissal but permanent unemployment. Exactly the reason why I have stayed away from the demos, much as they have my whole-hearted support.

279424 ▶▶ annie, replying to Digital Nomad, 7, #66 of 2196 🔗

Reminds me of John Knox, safe in Geneva during the Marian persecution, exhorting his English parishioners to resist even unto death.

279492 ▶▶ Eliza P., replying to Digital Nomad, 7, #67 of 2196 🔗

I can certainly see the point and agree in principle with “fill the jails” and am personally free to do so if I choose (being retired – I don’t have to worry about doing a job for my income) but I admit to concern whether we’d be put in with/treated the same way as the criminals that are already in the jail. So I admit to personal qualms as to whether I’d be expected to mix with criminals or would be able to have a cell to myself etc/my sort of food at mealtimes (healthy vegetarian), etc. So not a problem re my income – but I admit to wimping out of the thought of mixing with prisoners/eating unhealthy food/etc. I’m struggling at being in the prison of “open prison in a small town – and no car to get out of it” as it is I admit.

279945 ▶▶ Anne Passman, replying to Digital Nomad, 1, #68 of 2196 🔗

I agree, if a court appearance would affect your job, you shouldn’t risk it. But although I’m retired and therefore don’t have employment I still have email. So email Stewart, telling hi how stupid he sounded, how illogical, how biased. Email any MP you can- their email addresses are out there. Sure, if you are not a constituent they will send you an automatic response, but I’m sure they have a sidekick who tells them of the volume of emails they get, and if they’re negative ones It costs nothing but a few minutes -you can even have a template to use with relevant facts, details, insults etc. Call them liars – they can’t deny it. Call them inhuman, despotic etc – quote Graham Brady at them (his quote about “if this were a totalitarian state we would call these measures evil”.Deluge the pro – tierers with enough and they may get the mood of the country. And if they think enough of us will not vote to put them into their cushy jobs again they may take heed. Worth a try. And no police record, either

281068 ▶▶ Watt, replying to Digital Nomad, -1, #69 of 2196 🔗

‘For those of us in the real world with proper jobs’ WTF? Plenty of the resistance have jobs of all kinds, and more than a few actually have mouths to feed. But, sit it out for as long as you can. Good luck with those Covid apples!

279414 Sir Patrick Vaccine, replying to Sir Patrick Vaccine, 7, #70 of 2196 🔗

Dear Pub goer – Council officials trick a pub manager into serving him a drink and then close him down

Nigel Farage Investigates: Why are the authorities attacking our pubs?

279416 ▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Sir Patrick Vaccine, 6, #71 of 2196 🔗

It’s clearly entrapment, council officers do that to private hire and black cab taxi drivers routinely and get away with it.

279445 ▶▶ kh1485, replying to Sir Patrick Vaccine, 17, #72 of 2196 🔗

This seems to be a tactic employed by the Environmental Health. When they can’t find anything to ‘get’ you on, they start questioning you closely as though intentionally trying to catch you out. I’ve often wondered whether this was in order to justify their jobs or if they are on some sort of commission.

When it was made clear to me years ago that ticking a box to say you have done something is more important than doing that something, it summed up the whole rotten edifice for me.

279540 ▶▶ Biker, replying to Sir Patrick Vaccine, 10, #73 of 2196 🔗

It’s because the people who work for councils are pygmy intellects living off my tax dollars doing work that doesn’t need done for huge expense while pretending they are “helping the community” It don’t matter where you turn if a job is being done by a state employee it will be done badly at great expense and will almost without expansion it don’t actually need done.

280720 ▶▶ Tenchy, replying to Sir Patrick Vaccine, 2, #74 of 2196 🔗

Why are the authorities attacking our pubs?” Because they are parasitic arseholes.

280739 ▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Sir Patrick Vaccine, 1, #75 of 2196 🔗

Because that’s where sedition brews.

279415 Cecil B, replying to Cecil B, 37, #76 of 2196 🔗

There is in my opinion an upside to losing the Dolan case

I suspect that privately the pig dictator may have been harbouring hopes of a Dolan win

The pig dictator has been holding the highly infectious and distressed covid baby since March

The baby, as with all babies who are not well is getting fractious. The baby sleeps little and cries continuously

Starmer or anyone else will not take the baby. They say it’s your baby Mr pig dictator you brought it into the world, you deal with it

The pig dictator has responsibility for this very unhappy and demanding baby until at least March

The neighbours are starting to complain. The noise from the Christmas party goers in the street outside is also disturbing the pig dictator sleep

The pig dictator is already exhausted

Let’s see how he and baby are doing by March

279429 ▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Cecil B, 6, #77 of 2196 🔗

Under the fixed term Parliament Act what would happen if bozo threw in the towel ? Would it be entirely for the Tories to decide on a new PM if they could find anyone fool enough to take it on ?

279453 ▶▶▶ dpj, replying to karenovirus, 7, #78 of 2196 🔗

I’m no expert but I think if he resigned there would be a Conservative leadership vote and winner would then become PM.

279469 ▶▶▶▶ steph, replying to dpj, 7, #79 of 2196 🔗

Yes, it’s the leader of the party who will be PM, however they go about sorting that out. The party at large may not even get a say in it if only one candidate emerges from the initial rounds in the parliamentary party. I’ve resigned my membership so would get no vote anyway. There are very few MPs with the experience and integrity who could steer us through the next few months. A dreadfully difficult job now so much damage has been done.

279947 ▶▶▶▶ Anne Passman, replying to dpj, 3, #80 of 2196 🔗

Yes, that’s it. That was how he got the job in the first place after May threw in the towel.

280214 ▶▶▶▶▶ richard riewer, replying to Anne Passman, 5, #81 of 2196 🔗

And May got in when Cameron threw in the towel. A lot of towel throwing going on in the Conservative Party. That’s one way to keep your party in power.

280746 ▶▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to dpj, #82 of 2196 🔗

That’s what happened last time – it was a very well-choreographed dance.

279542 ▶▶▶ Biker, replying to karenovirus, 1, #83 of 2196 🔗

They got rid of the Fixed Term Parliament Act

279595 ▶▶▶▶ Mark, replying to Biker, 3, #84 of 2196 🔗

They just bypassed it last time. But they’ve just posted a draft bill to get rid of it:

Draft Fixed-term Parliaments Act (Repeal) Bill

280305 ▶▶ Ben, replying to Cecil B, 4, #85 of 2196 🔗

The court cases ignore a vital fact – that the UK Gov’t may be compromised by an outside source, or ‘occupied’ by the WEF as Robin Monotti Graziadei might say. Is the UK occupied by the WEF?

Because it seems every country is reading from the same script. The modus operandi is the same. Restrictions, destruction of the economy – all dictated by a single unspecified global entity

I don’t think I’ve heard Simon Dolan mention the World Economic Forum

281153 ▶▶▶ richard riewer, replying to Ben, 1, #86 of 2196 🔗

It is not a single, unspecified global entity, it is the U.N., the IMF, the World Bank, the Gates Foundation, the W.E.F. , the Club de Rome, Rockefeller Foundation, Bilderberg, etc.

279417 steph, replying to steph, 32, #87 of 2196 🔗

55 – just the number of letters Sir Graham Brady needs to instigate a leadership challenge. Come on you MPs, you know Boris is a disaster so hand the letter in if you haven’t already.

279420 ▶▶ John Smith, replying to steph, 21, #88 of 2196 🔗

I remain unimpressed by these so called “rebels”. All talk and no trousers.

279454 ▶▶▶ TJN, replying to John Smith, 9, #89 of 2196 🔗

Baker especially is all mouth and trousers.

279835 ▶▶▶▶ karenovirus, replying to TJN, 5, #90 of 2196 🔗

In his speech to the house yesterday he specifically laid blame for the economic bad stuff on the Covid, not the lockdown.

280284 ▶▶▶▶▶ Ben, replying to karenovirus, 6, #91 of 2196 🔗

Steve Baker is not to be trusted, especially after his history of obsequiousness to Matt Hancock. Depressingly, I fear the Recovery project is a scam designed to offer false hope whilst enabling the agenda

It’s why I shall never vote again

280610 ▶▶▶ microdave, replying to John Smith, 1, #92 of 2196 🔗

All talk and no trousers

Can hardly be applied to Sir Desmond Swayne!

280752 ▶▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to microdave, 1, #93 of 2196 🔗

He makes pretty and impassioned speeches but I don’t know how much substance there is to back up his excellent powers of oratory.

279421 ▶▶ Cristi.Neagu, replying to steph, 11, #94 of 2196 🔗

The Tories are still vastly pro lockdown, as is the rest of government. 34 Tory rebels are not going to change anything, even with one of them as PM. Britain, find yourself another government.

279426 ▶▶▶ steph, replying to Cristi.Neagu, 36, #95 of 2196 🔗

It’s 55. And I suspect there are more who will flip once the tide turns. Boris is completely broken. He has nothing left and needs removing now. I will never vote Conservative again but for now we do need him removing. SAGE and the media have taken him captive. He doesn’t even know he’s doing the left’s work for them because he’s been so carefully steered into it. Add on the strings being pulled by his girlfriend towards a green agenda that none of us voted for and he is a dangerous fool.

279440 ▶▶▶▶ Barney McGrew, replying to steph, 24, #96 of 2196 🔗

And I have to ask: where did ‘Build Back Better’ come from? For there not to be anything in the ‘conspiracy theories’, we have to believe that the government saw this weird, awkward slogan being used by Joe Biden and others, and thought to itself “That’s just what we need. A recognised globalist slogan because we can’t actually think up our own even though it would only take about 30 seconds. This is perfect: it says ‘We are not an independent country; we are copying, or taking orders, from people outside our own country’. The people will be so impressed by that”.

279629 ▶▶▶▶▶ Bill Grates, replying to Barney McGrew, 15, #97 of 2196 🔗

How many more times !

It’s not a conspiracy. It’s a well prepared and coordinated AGENDA .

“Build back better” , “new normal” etc are all phrases from the WEF.
Please explore the WEF website to see the huge scope of the agenda.
Politicians , “leaders” business people have been beguiled into believing this is the only way forward for society.

279812 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ The Filthy Engineer, replying to Bill Grates, 13, #98 of 2196 🔗

I’m not one for conspiracy theories but the speed with which the “new normal” became part of the vocabulary disturbed me too. There was and is nothing “normal” about this situation.

279632 ▶▶▶▶▶ Ovis, replying to Barney McGrew, 4, #99 of 2196 🔗

1) Johnson is deliberately trolling the nation. In particular, he’s winding up the kinds of people who worry about anti-democratic globalism, the kinds of people routinely mocked in the Graun. It’s a cheap form of bullying.
2) The regime would much rather hint at being part of a global conspiracy than admit to having screwed up through a complete absence of balls and brains. Better be taken for an evil genius than a fool.

In truth they’re not very clever. Wreaking more destruction because they can’t see a way to stop without admitting fault. Their pathway to glorious victory over Covid closing down (the vaccine, as predicted here, is not shaping up as happy ever after). The British state, in its entirety, has revealed itself to be a prize twot. But for most of them, like the bureaucracy of Vichy, there is a future after this. For Johnson this is it. No wonder he looks like Hitler in Downfall.

279745 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ jb12, replying to Ovis, 8, #100 of 2196 🔗

Aye, sure thing. I suppose he’s trolling by following the UN’s Agenda 2030 too. Hell, even the government’s webmaster is in on the trolling; what a bunch of lads they are!


280122 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Barney McGrew, replying to jb12, 1, #101 of 2196 🔗

Looking through that document you link to, there’s nothing in it that says “We will destroy all small businesses, implement a form of UBI, and usher in a new form of eco-fascism”. It’s all fairly innocuous stuff, with deep ironies regarding increasing economic growth and strengthening of human rights, etc.

Is this the document we, as a country, are signed up to? Or is there another, more ‘Schwabbian’, radical, terrifying document that we have somehow agreed to, as well? Because if it’s only the former, then anything like Johnson seems to be suggesting (‘we cannot go back to the old normal’) is undemocratic and I would suggest, illegal.

280138 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ jb12, replying to Barney McGrew, #102 of 2196 🔗

I am not saying that ‘Build Back Better’ is Agenda 2030, I am saying that Boris Johnson and his ilk are fully signed up to other globalist policies. Is it then more likely that he is ‘trolling’ by quoting the slogan or signalling his allegiances?

280384 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Bill Grates, replying to Barney McGrew, 4, #103 of 2196 🔗

The UN agenda 21/2030 is just the extension of the UN sustainability agenda/millennium development goals which you may be aware of , every politician since the early ‘90s has been on about it. The import thing to realise is not what they do say but what are the implications of what is said .
These are very sophisticated operators with huge power/finance/influence. The background of the UN is basically to creat a NWO and some kind of technocracy utopia. This is crazy sounding stuff which is why they are able to get away with developing their plans.
UN is an intergovt organisation
WEF is essentially an off shoot of the UN (schwab started there) under Robert Muller/ Maurice Strong) but it’s basically a structure to influence the private sector on a global scale.
WHO is an offshoot of UN
The main point is that behind the seemingly harmless facade of these main bodies the power plays and financial backing are able to create a tightly controlled agenda driven machine which now has influence at all levels of our and all societies.

The scope of interference by the UN is huge , please research into the ngo’s the UN funded projects eg smart cities ,sustainable cities , see how many local council leaders are on the bandwagons .

If you’ve never considered these issues before this can be too hard to accept but it’s true, it’s happening and if we aren’t careful there will be no way out.
Global warming was introduced by the Muller crowd to create a new religious fervour that would lead to the utopia. It didn’t work, covid/health fear is being used to corral people so the agendas can be brought to a conclusive point – 2030

There is a frightening mix of global financiers, utopian ideologs ,eugenicists and marxist zealots who are hell bent on reducing the bulk of humanity to totally controlled serfdom. (The one’s that survive the coming ordeals).

279852 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Ovis, 3, #104 of 2196 🔗

I said three months ago that bozo was like a naughty schoolboy outside the headmasters office refusing to admit his offence, the longer he prevaricates the worse his comeuppance.

279442 ▶▶▶▶ TC, replying to steph, 3, #105 of 2196 🔗

See what the Brexit deal “delivers”.
If it’s perceived as bad by his party then he’ll be toast.

279571 ▶▶▶▶▶ Saved To Death, replying to TC, 13, #106 of 2196 🔗

He has destroyed the nation, made the people into prisoners and unleashed the army in information and soon to be biological warfare against the British people.

Whatever he ‘delivers’ for Brexit good or bad would be so insignificant at this point as to be entirely irrelevant.

280754 ▶▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to steph, #107 of 2196 🔗

He was already a dangerous fool this time last year!

279512 ▶▶ Seamonster, replying to steph, 5, #108 of 2196 🔗

Trouble is who would replace him…some twat like gove most likely.

279650 ▶▶▶ Bill Grates, replying to Seamonster, 9, #109 of 2196 🔗

People need to understand this single fundamental point.

The UK is signatory to the IHR , as such we are at the whim of the WHO and this WILL NOT STOP until the WHO declares the “pandemic” is over.

It doesn’t matter who is in no. 10 . We have to continue following the national IPPP (influenza pandemic preparedness plan) until told to stop by the WHO.

The system has been developed over many years to create the appearance of a “science” based procedure to cover the main overarching agenda of massive societal change.

279777 ▶▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to Bill Grates, 1, #110 of 2196 🔗

It will stop if we ditch the IHR and/or leave the WHO, surely ?

279959 ▶▶▶▶ mattghg, replying to Bill Grates, 2, #111 of 2196 🔗

If we’d been following our IPPP then we wouldn’t be in this mess. It doesn’t recommend lockdowns, track ‘n trace etc.

280329 ▶▶▶▶▶ Bill Grates, replying to mattghg, #112 of 2196 🔗

It’s important to read the ippp along with knowing how it was drawn up and by who , the WHO direction on these matters is very illuminating.
As with all legislation in the UK , it gives the govt limitless scope to adapt to circumstances.
In theory a PM could try to water down the level of implementation of lockdowns etc, BUT, the legislature and civil service is basically determined to push the change agenda through.

This is a complete and total scam to drive through social change.
There is a mountain of evidence to support this position,not enough room here whole articles/books are required to tabulate the crime.

But for example :-
Please see the GPMB (global pandemic monitoring board) the head is Fauci. Report from Sept 2019 page 38/39 “a full system simulation will be undertaken by 09/2020….”

280250 ▶▶▶▶ richard riewer, replying to Bill Grates, #113 of 2196 🔗

Listen to Mark Windows on Spreaker: Covid-19 Babylon’s Business Plan beginning at around minute 29:50. Mark details the new health act addons. They were already being put into motion in February, 2020. Chilling.

279951 ▶▶▶ Anne Passman, replying to Seamonster, 2, #114 of 2196 🔗

This is the trouble – if you don’t like Johnson you get someone like Gove, if you don’t vote Tory you get Starmer . What a hell of a choice.

280514 ▶▶▶ Spikedee1, replying to Seamonster, 2, #115 of 2196 🔗

Nah they are priming dishy Rishi.

280774 ▶▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Spikedee1, #116 of 2196 🔗

Spawn of Satan you mean?

279578 ▶▶ Will, replying to steph, 2, #117 of 2196 🔗

That isn’t going to happen because they will end up with Wancock in charge because he is the only person delusional enough to want the job.

279423 karenovirus, replying to karenovirus, 20, #118 of 2196 🔗

BBC R4 The Long View yesterday explored the similarities between this year and when the Protestants under Cromwell last banned Christmas. I was working at the time so missed much of it.

One of the guests compared todays medical establishment to the uber protestants who insisted on fasting not only for their own good but for that of the whole community.

Fasting meant not only avoiding food and drink but also parties, singing, “bodily delights”, going to the theatre, bawdy houses or taverns and flippant pastimes such as playing football, dicing and carding.

The government of the day passed the law banning Xmas partly because it needed the support of the Scots in the ongoing Civil War (cf sturgeon).
It resulted in widespread unrest notably in Canterbury (tier 3) and until its repeal following the Restoration was marked by increasing non observation by the merrymaking population.

279431 ▶▶ Cecil B, replying to karenovirus, 26, #119 of 2196 🔗

You were working when Cromwell banned Christmas?

(Pedant alert and apology all in one)

279784 ▶▶▶ Jonathan Smith, replying to Cecil B, 2, #120 of 2196 🔗

Exactly my thought!

279443 ▶▶ Barney McGrew, replying to karenovirus, 14, #121 of 2196 🔗

The difference being that in that case, it was clearly them against us. With Covid, the brilliance of the scheme is that it is us against us. We all know people who used to be the merrymaking kind but are now so feeble and pathetic that they are scared to leave their houses without a mask.

279508 ▶▶▶ Fiona Walker, replying to Barney McGrew, 7, #122 of 2196 🔗

Indeed, I was thinking that the Taliban seem to have won, even radical Islamists have a hug if not a song, dance and a beer.

279545 ▶▶ Biker, replying to karenovirus, 2, #123 of 2196 🔗

Jesus you must be old if you were working at the time of Oliver Cromwell

279642 ▶▶ Caroline Watson, replying to karenovirus, 10, #124 of 2196 🔗

People who go without things, or make themselves uncomfortable ‘for others’, (always said in those stoned-sounding Momentum voices) make me so angry that I want to be extremely violent. I don’t give a damn about people that I don’t know. Neither do most people. Neither do they, actually (they certainly don’t care about destroying the jobs and businesses of those they call ‘gammons’); they just want to virtue signal their sanctimony.

279657 ▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to Caroline Watson, 10, #125 of 2196 🔗

Agree. All these people who pretend to care for others are the lowest of the low – they should stop lying because I’m not taken in by their fake altruism. If they did really care, they would be alarmed over the destruction of the economy, the needless deaths caused by illnesses that have gone untreated and mental health. But they don’t so they should stick their faux concern where the sun don’t shine.

279425 annie, replying to annie, 55, #126 of 2196 🔗

From the Express article:

“Mark Woolhouse said lockdown was a “panic measure” but admitted it was the only option at the time because “we couldn’t think of anything better to do”.”

Sums up the entire bollox. They couldn’t think of anything better to do. They still can’t. They never will.

But they can think of something equally stupid.

His new obsession? Mass testing of the asymptomatic.

279522 ▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to annie, 14, #127 of 2196 🔗

Its like what Anne Widdecombe told Dan Wooton – “they need to be seen to be doing something”

And that’s at the cost of collateral damage due to a wrecked economy, redundancies, bankruptcies, deaths from untreated illnesses, suicides, increase in substance abuse and domestic violence.

This abomination should be banished from public discourse when this is all over. As is that other one – “if it saves one life its worth it.”

279602 ▶▶ LS99, replying to annie, 12, #128 of 2196 🔗

Why couldn’t they have done what has always been done during every previous pandemic, keep calm and carry on? Not sure if I read it here but during the Hong Kong flu of 1968 the prime minister of the time never mentioned it.

279663 ▶▶▶ Caroline Watson, replying to LS99, 25, #129 of 2196 🔗

I don’t remember it and neither do my parents. I was at primary school and the only reason that we might have worn masks (we didn’t) was to keep out the smell of the tannery downriver!
The difference was that, in those days, there was little obesity, self obsession and hypochondria. There were always housewives who were ‘bad with their nerves’ and had obsessions with ‘germs’ but no one took much notice of them. It was also accepted that people died; usually people in their 70s, which was old in those days, but sometimes children. Two children at my primary school died, of things that would be entirely curable these days. We had also recently had the completely random, though entirely preventable, tragedy of Aberfan.
People took whatever measures they could to protect themselves and their families and got on with their lives. It never occurred to them that anything else was an option. But, of course, they didn’t have social media or 24 hour news!

279877 ▶▶▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Caroline Watson, 2, #130 of 2196 🔗

Whatever happened to lumbago ? Everyone’s Auntie had that and varicose veins.

279905 ▶▶▶▶ Dodderydude, replying to Caroline Watson, 1, #131 of 2196 🔗

The days when children were just children and were cheeky or naughty, whereas now they suffer from ‘ADHD’ and are no doubt medicated up to the eyeballs.

280849 ▶▶▶▶ Borisbullshit, replying to Caroline Watson, 1, #132 of 2196 🔗

I remember that era as a child too and the Welsh disaster. The culture was so different in those days in a myriad of ways…not least children had the freedom to play out. Funny that as now the adults don’t have the freedom to play out either!

279816 ▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to LS99, 11, #133 of 2196 🔗

Why couldn’t they have done what has always been done during every previous pandemic, keep calm and carry on?

At the risk of sounding like a broken record, because it’s not about a virus, it’s about a ‘great’ reset.

If we hope to oppose/resist/defeat it, it’s necessary to recognise what is being attempted !

279840 ▶▶▶ Tarfu, replying to LS99, 14, #134 of 2196 🔗

I was 22 in 1968. 80,000 people out of a population of 55 million died as a result of this pandemic. I do not remember anything whatsoever of this. Life just carried on as normal.

279975 ▶▶▶▶ Anne Passman, replying to Tarfu, 7, #135 of 2196 🔗

Absolutely. I was at uni, missed no lectures, went to Gilbert and Sullivan rehearsals, shopped, – no masks, no “Hands,face space” (how sick I am of all the brainwashing) and led a normal (not a “new normal” life.

279970 ▶▶▶ Anne Passman, replying to LS99, 5, #136 of 2196 🔗

Correct. Over 80,000 died (extrapolating, over 96,000 today) I remember – I was a student at uni, and missed not a single lecture. And the next year, when it was still rampant, I was travelling back and forth to France. So no, there was no need for all this chaos. Oh, and in one week, over 2000 died – still no lockdown.

279705 ▶▶ Aslangeo, replying to annie, 6, #137 of 2196 🔗

Well, if you cannot think of anything good to do, then do nothing, at least You personally will not be actively doing harm.

unfortunately the shrills will demand that something, anything, must be done and that the government needs to be seen doing something , however ineffective and potentially harmful it may be

279882 ▶▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Aslangeo, 2, #138 of 2196 🔗

Typical mindset in parts of the public sector (notably HMP) is to try and avoid making a decision by kicking it upstairs (escalate in newspeak), if a decision can’t be avoided make it ‘no’ is the safer option.

279983 ▶▶▶ Anne Passman, replying to Aslangeo, 4, #139 of 2196 🔗

So do something. Email as many MPs as you can, from both sides, either praising or condemning them. If you are not their constituent they will not reply, but their sidekicks will tot up the condemnation and tell them. Call them liars. Give them the real facts. Tell them to read the GBD.Blame them for the chaos, abuse, bankruptcies, mental health problems. Gum up their in boxes. Why? Because they’re worth it

279961 ▶▶ Anne Passman, replying to annie, 5, #140 of 2196 🔗

Of course they could think of something better. In 1967/8 during the Hong Kong Flu pandemic, over 80,000 died (extrapolating, over 96,000 today) yet there was no restriction of liberty, no economic chaos, no school/uni closure ( I was at uni, so I know).Boris fancied himself as a despot, so we had lockdown

279427 annie, 5, #141 of 2196 🔗

MOs to debate the suspected lockdown murder of lung cancer patients in response to petition:


279430 Cecil B, replying to Cecil B, 4, #142 of 2196 🔗

We are all criminals now

279819 ▶▶ Fred, replying to Cecil B, #143 of 2196 🔗

Right !

280278 ▶▶▶ Ben, replying to Fred, 1, #144 of 2196 🔗

You Said it

280711 ▶▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to Ben, #145 of 2196 🔗

and received no upticks. 🙁

279432 John Ballard, replying to John Ballard, 8, #146 of 2196 🔗

Would be lovely to wake up one day and find that Boris had found his brain, not today it seems!

279449 ▶▶ Tom Blackburn, replying to John Ballard, 3, #147 of 2196 🔗

It’s in the bin

279481 ▶▶▶ tonyspurs, replying to Tom Blackburn, 2, #148 of 2196 🔗

It was poured in i presume

279658 ▶▶▶ charleyfarley, replying to Tom Blackburn, 2, #149 of 2196 🔗

Underpants, I suspect.

279491 ▶▶ Basileus, replying to John Ballard, 13, #150 of 2196 🔗

It reminds me of the courtroom story where a barrister asked a medical witness, ‘Are you sure the victim was dead?’.

‘Yes’, came the answer, ‘his brain was in a jar on my desk’.

‘But are you sure he was dead?’

‘Well now you mention it, he may be working as a barrister somewhere’.

On the other hand, maybe he became PM.

<gets coat>

280275 ▶▶ Ben, replying to John Ballard, 1, #151 of 2196 🔗

Politicians around the world are taking orders from the same entity. The ‘Covid Cabal’ for want of a better description.

Perhaps it is the World Economic Forum after all that’s occupied the United Kingdom

281169 ▶▶▶ richard riewer, replying to Ben, #152 of 2196 🔗

The Schwaub mob.

279434 CivilianNotCovidian, replying to CivilianNotCovidian, 150, #153 of 2196 🔗

I feel like this is my therapy group. Or a 12-step meeting. “Hello my name is X and I’m a lockdown sceptic.” We all come from different walks of life, may have different political views, live in various countries, range in age from old to young, and mostly want to remain anonymous. But we all have this one thing in common… an unshakeable belief that lockdowns (aka the removal of basic human rights, enforced isolation and life-threatening mandates inhibiting our most basic human functions like breathing and gaining community immunity against viruses) are wrong on every level. Lockdowns are unethical, unnecessary and inhumane. I felt this strongly on day one and I’ve never wavered. It was so perplexing, I’ve considered every possible theory out there. I’ve rejected most. But as more time passes, there are some undeniable contributing factors that have led to this nightmare:

1. Whether unintentional or intentional, China spooked the world with early hysteria about a novel coronavirus and demonstrated that harsh lockdowns were the only way to deal with it.

2. Rather than say, “Yes, but that’s the extreme way the Chinese Communist Party do things, we are a rational democracy,” Western governments panicked, caved to the freaked out media mob, and implemented “lockdowns” or “shelter in place” policies. Some countries knew their citizens would mostly obey a with a gentle push (Canada). In the UK, they were so convinced that, when they told everyone to stay at home, the majority would say, “You’re having a laugh, aren’t you?” that they produced posters that would not have been out of place outside a movie theatre advertising the latest Tom Cruise dystopian blockbuster. These proclaimed things like STAY HOME! ANYONE CAN SPREAD IT! IF YOU GO OUT, PEOPLE WILL DIE! ACT AS IF YOU’VE GOT IT! I genuinely don’t think the British government intended to publish instruments of state terrorism but that’s, sadly, the effect they had. The majority of people were absolutely terrified, did not leave their homes (some STILL haven’t!) and the country ground to a standstill… and started haemorrhaging money. Empty trains ran every day, to a faultless Sunday timetable, without a delay or cancellation amongst them, and people STAYED HOME. At first it was fun. They baked bread and learned dance routines. But then the lockdown kept getting extended and that’s when things got really serious.

3. With daily press conferences announcing death rates, control of the media to suppress public scrutiny of their bizarre actions, and having seized unprecedented power over people’s lives, governments had created a paranoid, codependent society. They had accidentally brainwashed everyone into thinking that THEY, the government, could “CONTROL A VIRUS”. If the virus still killed people it was the government’s fault. Government didn’t like that so they said, “No, no, it’s YOUR fault, or it’s the fault of your naughty neighbour who broke the rules to visit his elderly mum.” And then all hell broke loose. We MUST CONTROL THE VIRUS! They tried everything: masks, obsessively sanitising children, mass testing, contact tracing, tiers, blaming students, even announcing a rushed-out miracle vaccine was imminent. Nothing worked. People still died. Positive tests still came in. “WHY CAN’T YOU CONTROL THIS??!” people screamed at each other.

4. The brave voices of reason started popping up. The Mike Yeadons and the Clare Craigs of this world. “Um, excuse me, sorry to bother you, but you can’t actually CONTROL a virus. And shaky test results without symptoms don’t really mean anything.” And they were treated as devil-worshipping heretics. So the Great Barrington lot says, “Look, people are seriously disturbed, let’s go softly, softly and gently suggest a different approach.” Nope. Also cancelled. An outpouring of experts and professionals speaking up met with the same blanket censorship. IF YOU DENY IT IS DEADLY YOU MUST WANT PEOPLE TO DIE!!! (If you are in the US, this got warped one stage further, of course. IF YOU DENY IT IS DEADLY YOU MUST LOVE TRUMP!!!) No one trusted anyone anymore, because – while it didn’t make a whole lot of sense, the government wouldn’t have made everyone suffer so drastically if it wasn’t for good reason, right?! People wanted THE GOVERNMENT to tell them what to do and nothing else. People had installed their dictator. Only he could dictate.

Look at the face of that man during the debate yesterday as his few courageous colleagues calmly questioned him. Did that look like the face of a man enjoying his power?! No. That was the face of a broken man. A man who has not, and will never have, the balls to say, “I completely fucked up and I need to put it right.” He’d rather burn in hell than say that. And he’s quite prepared to drag the country down with him.


279444 ▶▶ steph, replying to CivilianNotCovidian, 18, #154 of 2196 🔗

What a brilliant summary. ⭐️

279464 ▶▶ karenovirus, replying to CivilianNotCovidian, 14, #155 of 2196 🔗

Best outline of the Great Deception to date.
Should be the foreword for the definitive history.

279666 ▶▶▶ charleyfarley, replying to karenovirus, 5, #156 of 2196 🔗

Agree, and perhaps a copy sent to all MPs?

279524 ▶▶ Alethea, replying to CivilianNotCovidian, 15, #157 of 2196 🔗

This just about sums up my view.

Yesterday I thought the PM looked very strange indeed as he huddled on his front bench. Like a goblin, but also oddly feminine in his face. I don’t know what to make of this. From a psychoanalytic point of view I wonder if he is so disturbed by his own authoritarianism that he doesn’t recognise himself any more. Does he look in the mirror and see a woman? Whoever that is, it’s NOT ME…?

279677 ▶▶▶ Caroline Watson, replying to Alethea, 11, #158 of 2196 🔗

Him ‘coming out as “transgender”’ is all we need. Then we really will have gone down the rabbit hole!

281184 ▶▶▶▶ richard riewer, replying to Caroline Watson, 1, #159 of 2196 🔗

Maybe he got the first test vaccine back in March wintout knowing it?

280721 ▶▶▶ A Heretic, replying to Alethea, 1, #160 of 2196 🔗

Lack of testosterone after Princess Nut Nuts took his Nut Nuts.

279695 ▶▶ lurkingmeggie, replying to CivilianNotCovidian, 31, #161 of 2196 🔗

I tend to think China spooked the world on purpose. Remember the “leaked” videos from “dissidents” showing people falling dead in the streets? The video of a young man screaming and crying for help before he keeled over dead at his desk? The stories that the crematoriums were working 24 hours a day to burn all the bodies, and that black ash was falling on Japan from the burning. That the doors of apartment buildings were being welded shut with people left inside to die. All of course denied by the evil Chinese government who were trying to keep us from knowing how serious the virus was. We now know from our own experience of the virus that those videos were faked – it doesn’t work like that, nor kill that many people. We were played.

279864 ▶▶▶ Simon, replying to lurkingmeggie, 24, #162 of 2196 🔗

I have a Chinese girlfriend, she’s been getting information from friends and family in the country. The bodies dropping dead in the street was faked. So was the massive amount of people going to hospital on satellite photos. It was a massive psy-op.

They have been wanting to destabilise the West for ages. But planned, maybe. Oportunistic, definitely.

280818 ▶▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Simon, 6, #163 of 2196 🔗

They had plenty of help from the WHO and the MSM.

279899 ▶▶▶ karenovirus, replying to lurkingmeggie, 16, #164 of 2196 🔗

Our own press helped by publishing nonsense about Italians dying in corridors covered in lesions and boils, drowning with lungs full of septic puss. Straight out of a medieval plague manual.

279966 ▶▶▶ awildgoose, replying to lurkingmeggie, 3, #165 of 2196 🔗

I remember two Western expats in China on YouTube shilling hard for the WuFlu.

Their account names are laowhy86 and serpentza.

If you check their accounts now they are largely silent about WuFlu.

280099 ▶▶▶▶ Tom in Scotland, replying to awildgoose, 12, #166 of 2196 🔗

Actually, I have followed their videos for years because I have also worked in China as part of my university job. I have found most of their videos helpful and as I got to know China and Chinese people better, I would generally agree with what they say about most matters. They both, with their Chinese wives, had to leave China recently due to getting overly critical of the government and Communist Party. You could argue that they were both rather naive and perhaps foolish to think they could get away with it for as long as they did. Both now live in California.

Regarding their coverage of developments in Wuhan, I followed them closely in January and afterwards. They do still have contacts in China and reported what they could gather, including how badly foreigners living in China have been treated (something that was starting to happen before the virus, actually). To be fair, I don’t think they intentionally exaggerated the severity of the virus. In the early days, there genuinely was a big problem with spread and with serious illness for older and unhealthy people (and possibly those getting mega doses, like the doctor who initially blew the whistle and was spoken to by police). This was all due to the attempts by officials to cover it up and to the fact that most Chinese cities have horrendous air pollution (you simply cannot appreciate how bad it is unless you have been there – even after several years, I still could not believe what I was seeing the last time I was there!).

Most Chinese live in crowded conditions in high-rise apartment buildings in the major cities of the eastern part of the country. Half of all Chinese men smoke (though very few women smoke). When you put all these factors together, it’s not surprising that there were problems. When I saw that northern Italy had some of the worst air quality in Europe, an elderly population, and a lot of smokers – and I knew Madrid was the same – I was not surprised by what happened in Europe. What did surprise me was the overreaction in Europe and the imitation of Chinese suppression techniques.

I don’t think China spooked the world on purpose. While the Communist Party does wield a lot of power, China is a huge, corrupt country and it’s difficult to govern. As you can see with what happened in Wuhan, it took some time for the central government to get to the bottom of things and take control. Yes, some events were staged for theatricality, but this was probably for domestic consumption more than anything else.

Ultimately, the reaction in democratic countries came down to weak politicians being pushed by a hysterical public that had been egged on by an irresponsible, sensationalistic media with a message reinforced by social media echo chambers and a lack of critical thinking. This mess is, collectively speaking, our fault. It certainly does raise some difficult questions about democracy; we should not get on our high horse when looking at China.

280332 ▶▶▶▶▶ CivilianNotCovidian, replying to Tom in Scotland, 2, #167 of 2196 🔗

Thank you for your balanced perspective. Fascinating to read!

280345 ▶▶▶▶▶ awildgoose, replying to Tom in Scotland, 1, #168 of 2196 🔗

Way to run cover for the CCP gaslighting op.

279736 ▶▶ Alexei, replying to CivilianNotCovidian, 20, #169 of 2196 🔗

Wonderful summary, but you missed something out: this also happened in 95% of the world’s nations, simultaneously, in a near-uniform manner.

I call it the Globally Synchronised Cockup. I believe in it as much as I do the efficacy of the Astra Zeneca vaccine.

279763 ▶▶ Alan P, replying to CivilianNotCovidian, 16, #170 of 2196 🔗

I think you’re letting the media off the hook. IMO they were among the prime cause of the hysteria with their reporting of China and Italy. Their schizophrenic coverage played a large role in the self inflicted harms played by governments all around the globe.

279779 ▶▶▶ CivilianNotCovidian, replying to Alan P, 20, #171 of 2196 🔗

Responsibility lies with governments to say, “You may be led to believe x by the media, but here are the facts.” Instead of the government finding and fudging figures to back up the hysterical media. You don’t let hysterical children dictate your decisions. That’s bad parenting. Ironically all the FACTS you need to refute this whole debacle are published for all to see, in plain sight. All over the internet, in public documents, on all the ONS, PHE, NHS websites you will find figures that categorically prove we are NOT in any kind of pandemic by ANY reasonable definition of the word. If MPs continue to use the popular rhetoric, mentioning “a deadly virus” and “this terrible disease” and “until we are all safe”, we will continue to go – collectively – to hell in a hand basket.

279915 ▶▶▶▶ karenovirus, replying to CivilianNotCovidian, 6, #172 of 2196 🔗

The ONS have been very good to date. It was there that it was first shown that London had fewer deaths in early June than the five year average. Covid was downhill all the way from then on.

It was the statistitions that exposed Shipman and North (?) Staffs hospital.

280024 ▶▶▶▶ Tom in Scotland, replying to CivilianNotCovidian, 7, #173 of 2196 🔗

Exactly! This is what I keep telling people. The facts are all there, often on official websites, but journalists are too caught up in the sensationalism they themselves have manufactured to stop now. Furthermore, members of the public are too lazy to look online, apart from their social media echo chambers. Ultimately, I blame (in democracies) the people (collectively). I think this is actually part of the problem with ‘waking up’ – some people are probably wondering if they’ve been taken in, but are too shocked or embarrassed to admit it to themselves and others. It will be interesting to see what happens when (and if) this finally ends. It’s possible there will be a huge anti-government reaction, and I think this is the main reason why so many governments have kept on with the charade.

281200 ▶▶▶▶ RichardJames, replying to CivilianNotCovidian, #174 of 2196 🔗

What, like giving the course of the world’s economy over to an autistic, stupid teenager who can’t be bothered to go to school?

279826 ▶▶ JohnB, replying to CivilianNotCovidian, 12, #175 of 2196 🔗

A man who has not, and will never have, the balls to say, “I completely fucked up and I need to put it right.”

Because he didn’t fuck up. He kicked off the ‘great’ reset.

280001 ▶▶ Anne Passman, replying to CivilianNotCovidian, 6, #176 of 2196 🔗

Brilliant. Lockdown Sceptics is my therapy too. Without it I’d certainly be on anti depressants and going slowly mad. But fight back. You have a weapon – email. Use it to contact any and every MP you can -all their emails are out there. Praise the anti lockdowners and anti tierers. Condemn the others . Use words like despot, tyranny, etc. Quote Sir Graham Brady at the – the one about “if this was being done in a totalitarian state w would call it evil”. Call them evil. and don’t leave out Vallance and Whitty -their emails are out there too. Make their lives as much hell as you can. It costs nothing, relieves your stress and THEY’RE WORTH IT

280038 ▶▶ Rowan, replying to CivilianNotCovidian, 7, #177 of 2196 🔗

I don’t buy the panic and incompetence line. Johnson acts just as if he has taken the Gates’s shilling and he knows he shouldn’t have done that, but what can he do except keep digging the hole deeper. Bill’s got him and consequently the rest of us over over a barrel. It’s going to be very painful.

280042 ▶▶ Ben, replying to CivilianNotCovidian, 6, #178 of 2196 🔗

I’d say China is part of the monolithic Covid Cabal that’s waging war on the world.

President Xi’s plans to introduce QR code style vaccine passports to the West constitute an unprecedented attack on civil liberties. But of course Western governments are on board with it.

Intensely depressing. I don’t want to live in a ‘papers please!’ culture

280140 ▶▶▶ Rowan, replying to Ben, 3, #179 of 2196 🔗

Why blame China, when it’s wholly the fault of our own sold-out government, there is really no one else to blame.

280268 ▶▶▶▶ Ben, replying to Rowan, 3, #180 of 2196 🔗

You’re right. It’s both. But no nation has a right to impose cultural change on another

280103 ▶▶ JanMasarykMunich, replying to CivilianNotCovidian, 2, #181 of 2196 🔗

Fantastic. Am thinking of copying this and sending it on to people. Would that be OK?

280151 ▶▶ Mutineer, replying to CivilianNotCovidian, 4, #182 of 2196 🔗

I feel less alone reading the posts here. At times have felt I am going completely insane in a world of muzzled and compliant fools. I watched a programme about the Nuremberg trials last night and wept at the testimonies that recounted children being thrown into ovens alive as they ran out of gas. Jews slaughtered. The houses of Poles being set alight so they had to jump from windows and crawl away as their limbs were broken. The parallels with Nazi Germany of the 1930’s is so clear and I know who we are. I’m expecting some sort of marks on our houses to show we are ‘the enemy’. To set citizens against other citizens deliberately is the very worst part of this tyranny. The masketeers are not very far from attacking us. I’ve already had death threats.

280874 ▶▶▶ Borisbullshit, replying to Mutineer, 2, #183 of 2196 🔗

If I get any death threats they will be the ones dying lol. I am always ready for some Covid zealot to attack me for never wearing a mask….there will only be one winner in that contest.

280263 ▶▶ Edward, replying to CivilianNotCovidian, #184 of 2196 🔗

Excellent analysis, could be the synopsis of a book on the whole thing.

280816 ▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to CivilianNotCovidian, #185 of 2196 🔗

Great piece, CNC. Deserves to be published as an article in its own right.

280855 ▶▶ Borisbullshit, replying to CivilianNotCovidian, #186 of 2196 🔗

Wow my sentiments exactly!!! Brilliant.

280964 ▶▶ John Ballard, replying to CivilianNotCovidian, #187 of 2196 🔗

Spot on

281136 ▶▶ Cheshirecatslave, replying to CivilianNotCovidian, #188 of 2196 🔗

Well said.

281177 ▶▶ richard riewer, replying to CivilianNotCovidian, 2, #189 of 2196 🔗

And he’s quite prepared to drag the country down with him.

Just like Hitler.

281180 ▶▶ RichardJames, replying to CivilianNotCovidian, 1, #190 of 2196 🔗

““I completely fucked up and I need to put it right.” He’d rather burn in hell than say that. And he’s quite prepared to drag the country down with him.”

Yes, I totally agree. I would quite happily supply him with the necessary ingredients to allow him to self-immolate as a gesture of contrition.

279435 SilentP, replying to SilentP, 10, #191 of 2196 🔗

It was very noticeable in the debate yesterday the large number of MPs who repeated the mantra about the vaccine(s) being an imminent saviour.

Today’s editorial throws more doubt over whether sufficient testing has been done to ensure a safe and effective vaccine can be rolled out in the near future.

So, what will the official and public responses be if the vaccines are delayed or need to be withdrawn?

Request – If replying please can you focus on the question above. Plenty of other places to discuss the pros and cons of vaccines

279441 ▶▶ steph, replying to SilentP, 6, #192 of 2196 🔗

I really hope they are delayed but I doubt the government will allow that if they can get away with it.
Official response if delayed? More and longer lockdown of course.
Public response? Mostly panic that the saviour is not with us but hopefully there will be some sensible questioning and pushback on keeping us locked in.

279498 ▶▶ Marialta, replying to SilentP, 4, #193 of 2196 🔗

The longer the vaccines are delayed the better. We should focus on demanding ‘safety’ first & play them at their own game. Summer will arrive and by then the government will have become impotent. The media will also have become sceptical. The public will have tired of the spin. We will have managed to discredit PCR testing further, deaths will decrease …….. and by autumn Covid will not be headline news …… wishful thinking?

279509 ▶▶ annie, replying to SilentP, 6, #194 of 2196 🔗

New slogan:


279529 ▶▶▶ Alethea, replying to annie, 5, #195 of 2196 🔗

Safety is Danger.

280842 ▶▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Alethea, #196 of 2196 🔗

Or danger is safety.

279547 ▶▶▶ Llamasaurus Rex, replying to annie, 5, #197 of 2196 🔗

Feeling lucky? Take the plunge(r).

279526 ▶▶ maggie may, replying to SilentP, 9, #198 of 2196 🔗

Pfizer vaccine has now been approved, the very one that Mike Yeadon and colleague think has serious problems. Good luck to the poor NHS staff who are made to have it.

279548 ▶▶ SilentP, replying to SilentP, 3, #199 of 2196 🔗

Overtaken by events! Let’s change the question to:
So, what will the official and public responses be if the vaccines being used are reported to have safety or efficacy shortcomings?

279690 ▶▶ charleyfarley, replying to SilentP, 2, #200 of 2196 🔗

I think the regime has lurched from one disaster to another by a complete failure to think. Before saying the vaccine would save us they must have known that vaccines take years to develop and their civil servants should have advised them to caveat their statements to this effect. They have now dug another hole for themselves by saying it’s almost here, when patently it is not, and might be years away. They now face another uncomfortable choice between attempting to force untested vaccines upon an unwilling population, or admitting that they were foolishly optimistic.

The biggest policy error in history aka lockdown was merely the first in a series of cock ups.

To answer the question there will be a public outcry and more of the media will be forced into taking a sceptical line. Cue removal of Prime Minister?

280552 ▶▶ Spikedee1, replying to SilentP, 1, #201 of 2196 🔗

But how proud handjob is that if we were in the EU this would have taken longer. That is supposed to be reassuring? But who is doing the testing? Er the company who produce the vaccine, erm

280839 ▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to SilentP, #202 of 2196 🔗

The vaccines can keep encountering problems like the recent Oxford one. Delay will then prove that safety is a primary concern. Meanwhile we must stay locked down to control the virus and protect the NHS.

280893 ▶▶ blunt instrument, replying to SilentP, #203 of 2196 🔗

That one’s easy. Official: “Lockdown until the next candidate comes along.” Public (except for us): “Can we not have it anyway? I don’t care about the side-effects.” Or maybe, “Never mind Matt, we know you want what’s best for us.”

279437 steph, replying to steph, 18, #204 of 2196 🔗

I no longer pay a subscription to the DT but, as we all know, there are still ways of reading it.
Today Allison Pearson is on fire with her hatred of the tier system and the lies perpetrated to justify it. She has an NHS insider who she calls “George”. Whenever she sees an unlikely statistic banded about by the government she gets the real data from George. None of us here will be surprised to know it is never true. The kindest thing you can say is it’s spin but I prefer to call it downright lies.
One of the worst things George has told her is that between 17.5% and 25% of Covid “infections” are acquired in hospital. She calls this’s the NHS’s Dirty Secret.

279575 ▶▶ GiftWrappedKittyCat, replying to steph, 9, #205 of 2196 🔗

I would absolutely agree about the percentage of hospital acquired infections. I know of two people who were admitted to the new Queen Elizabeth hospital in Glasgow for ailments completely unrelated to covid. They were in their own rooms rather than open wards and visitors were not allowed (cruelty in itself). Low and behold despite this enforced isolation, they still managed to contract covid. One has since died and it’s not looking good for the other. I really hope their families kick up big time about how this was allowed to happen.

279694 ▶▶▶ Caroline Watson, replying to GiftWrappedKittyCat, 7, #206 of 2196 🔗

My father, who is nearly 90, has a scan for suspected bowel cancer today. He is totally with it mentally (he is a retired journalist and a writer) but frail physically. He is terrified of having to have hospital treatment because he is convinced (rightly) that it will kill him. He wants to know whether he can be vaccinated first; I suspect the answer will be ‘no’. Whatever people might think of the vaccine, for him it is a lesser threat. I can think of nothing to say to help or reassure him. This is someone who started work on his local paper at 17, served in the RAF and has paid for the NHS since the day it began. I am so angry.

279593 ▶▶ stefarm, replying to steph, 1, #207 of 2196 🔗

I’m in no way doubting you but are they covid infections, there must be some other virus the NHS are trying to hide.

280794 ▶▶▶ GiftWrappedKittyCat, replying to stefarm, 2, #208 of 2196 🔗

They tested negative for covid upon admission and later tested positive having displayed symptoms. We all know how accurate the PCR tests are though so there’s every possibility it’s something else. The fact remains though that they picked up a virus, covid or not, whilst completely isolated from the outside world.

279640 ▶▶ BTLnewbie, replying to steph, 3, #209 of 2196 🔗

If there is this level (say 20%) of Covid ‘infections’ acquired in hospital, this will presumably generate a much higher percentage of overall Covid deaths, because the patients were already suffering from something when they went into hospital. Now THAT would be a figure worth getting at – “xx% of Covid deaths were as a result of hospital-acquired infections.”

This is the current equivalent of the care homes scandal back in March when a high proportion of the deaths were caused by hospitals throwing patients with Covid back over the walls of their care homes.

How many of the eventual tally of, say, 60,000 ‘deaths with Covid’ will the NHS have been complicit in causing?

279727 ▶▶ Mel, replying to steph, 3, #210 of 2196 🔗

I know of 3 acquired in hospital, out of 5 positive tests. One an op for a knee injury. Patient tested negative as required before having operation. 6 days later his partner developed symptoms and they both tested positive. She’d been working at home, doesnt drive, gets supermarket deliveries ad it was during lockdown so not hospitality acquired.

Other an 80 year old friend who went into Barnsley Hospital in April with suspected heart attack. Tested negative on arrival. Was then (normal procedure) transferred to Northern General in Sheffield for stents, where after several days she tested positive. She seemed to have minimal ill effects from covid, despite being in a vulnerable group for age and co-morbidities, and was treated with aspirin for a mild temperature. She was however in hospital for an extended period of time as she kept testing positive for a whole month after symptoms disappeared and couldnt be discharged back to sheltered accommodation.

280008 ▶▶ Anne Passman, replying to steph, 2, #211 of 2196 🔗

I’m surprised that the percentage is as low as that. How many covid positive people did the NHS shove out to care homes in March/April?

280920 ▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to steph, #212 of 2196 🔗

Filthy, in fact.

279439 steph, replying to steph, 12, #213 of 2196 🔗

Another thing in today’s DT is the preparation to give NHS workers the vaccine starting next week, if it is approved. Imperial College trust are asking for volunteers to administer it to staff. Apparently, the logistical difficulties mean it’s much easier to manage in a hospital setting so NHS staff are going to be moved up from 2nd in the queue to first. I hope they will feel able to refuse.

279446 ▶▶ CivilianNotCovidian, replying to steph, 21, #214 of 2196 🔗

I would not want to go anywhere near a person who had taken that vaccine so how do I get protection? Will the vaccinated carry a stamp on their heads so we can identify them? Or I could repurpose my mask-exempt lanyard and change the words to “VACCINATED”. But seriously… this is chilling. You know full well that no senior doctor is taking that shit. They will pump all the low grade nurses and porters (especially those with poor English who will be made to sign their consent without understanding it) with it so they can boast of the “numbers of NHS frontline workers vaccinated.” It’s a sick game.

279953 ▶▶▶ karenovirus, replying to CivilianNotCovidian, 3, #215 of 2196 🔗

Vaccinated against symptoms only = creation if asymptomatic Super carriers in an environment full of the vulnerable.

279451 ▶▶ FlynnQuill, replying to steph, 15, #216 of 2196 🔗

The Vaccines haven’t been licensed yet, so I doubt this is true. My wife is a prescribing pharmacist for the NHS and she has heard nothing of the sort. She won’t be taking it and neither will the nurses she works with.

279458 ▶▶▶ steph, replying to FlynnQuill, 7, #217 of 2196 🔗

Yes, the article did say “if approved”. I’m glad your wife and the nurses intend to refuse.

279459 ▶▶▶ kh1485, replying to FlynnQuill, 22, #218 of 2196 🔗

If your wife and those she works with won’t be taking it, how on earth can they advocate giving it to others? If they have doubts about it, surely they should speak up. I wouldn’t want any kind of medical treatment given to me that the doctor/nurse had doubts about.

279471 ▶▶▶▶ CivilianNotCovidian, replying to kh1485, 15, #219 of 2196 🔗

No one should be taking a vaccine that hasn’t gone through several years of rigorous clinical trials. No one should be taking a vaccine for a virus that has dramatically lessened in severity (if it’s even still around at all) and is not deadly or even serious for the vast majority of people. The medical profession knows this. The whole thing is a PR exercise. They will do it even if they inject people with a placebo!

279478 ▶▶▶▶▶ kh1485, replying to CivilianNotCovidian, 13, #220 of 2196 🔗

I know. And I know from bitter, bitter personal experience how prescribed drugs that are a) not needed b) whose efficacy is questionable at best and downright lethal at worst can impact and destroy someone’s entire life.

279506 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ annie, replying to kh1485, 11, #221 of 2196 🔗

Indiscriminate prescription of tranquillisers has destroyed many, many lives. In the 1960s-1970s they turned my gran from a jolly little woman, with occasional bouts of needless worry, into a perpetual nervous wreck.

279532 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ kh1485, replying to annie, 11, #222 of 2196 🔗

Annie, you’ve just described what happened to my mum. And BigPharma laugh all the way to the bank on the needless suffering of others.

279706 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Caroline Watson, replying to kh1485, 8, #223 of 2196 🔗

And now they’re doing it with ‘puberty blockers’ and the rest of the enforced medicalisation of ‘gender’ non conforming children. Thank God for Keira Bell and the judgement yesterday.

279615 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ tonyspurs, replying to annie, 3, #224 of 2196 🔗

I think most of us who were children in the 60s Mums were on some form of Tranqs my Mum was on Valium (mother’s little helper)and sleeping tablets for years before she finally kicked them after meeting my step dad

279729 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ kh1485, replying to tonyspurs, 4, #225 of 2196 🔗

Other way round for my poor mum – she was fine until she met her second husband.

279484 ▶▶▶ steph, replying to FlynnQuill, 2, #226 of 2196 🔗

Now licensed as of this morning.

279958 ▶▶▶ karenovirus, replying to FlynnQuill, #227 of 2196 🔗

Pfizers has now

279502 ▶▶ annie, replying to steph, 3, #228 of 2196 🔗

It’ll be jab or job.

279665 ▶▶ penelope pitstop, replying to steph, 5, #229 of 2196 🔗

For the Pfizer vaxx it needs 15-20 mins rest time after administering it to check after effects (doesn’t sound reassuring to me apart from the other issues). This, apart from the storage issues at -80 degrees is going to reduce the throughput and volumes of those vaccinated.
With NHS being first in the firing line will be interesting in their take up…we watch with interest.

281234 ▶▶▶ Cheshirecatslave, replying to penelope pitstop, #230 of 2196 🔗

They used to tell me to wait 15 minutes at the Dr’s after an ordinary flu jab. That said I’ve no wish to have a rushed experimental vaccine. I’d want to know it was safe especially after what I know what happened when they tried to develop a vaccine for a cat coronavirus.


279447 kh1485, replying to kh1485, 27, #231 of 2196 🔗

Thank you to all those principled MPs who voted against this madness. To my own MP, shame on you. You put party loyalty ahead of your constituents’ liberty/health/economic well-being. You are a disgrace. I hope you enjoy the dystopia you have been complicit in creating.

279455 ▶▶ steph, replying to kh1485, 12, #232 of 2196 🔗

Mine too, but with a ministerial car to hang onto it’s not really surprising. I hope she’s not dumb enough to knock on my door during the next election campaign. She did last time but I was out and my husband was on a conference call so we couldn’t bandy words. It would have been quite friendly back then, although we weren’t 100% happy. Now she’d be best advised not to try.

279461 ▶▶▶ kh1485, replying to steph, 9, #233 of 2196 🔗


Well mine had best not try to come into my shop. The last time she had to visit the woman upstairs, she scurried past. No balls, no integrity, just commitment to her career.

279501 ▶▶▶▶ annie, replying to kh1485, 4, #234 of 2196 🔗

Put a tripwire on the stairs. Legitimate self-defence.

280779 ▶▶▶▶▶ DomW, replying to annie, #235 of 2196 🔗

Piano wire ? Neck height ?

Obviously I ‘m not seriously proposing this but when I saw the previous post that was the image which came to mind and I just wanted to confirm the details 🙂

279448 Laurence, replying to Laurence, 7, #236 of 2196 🔗

Can anyone take the US CDC seriously ?

A direct quote from the CDC website:” Overall, an estimated 299,028 excess deaths occurred from late January through October 3, 2020, with 198,081 (66%) excess deaths attributed to COVID-19. The largest percentage increases were seen among adults aged 25–44 years and among Hispanic or Latino persons.”

Now, as at 30 September, only 5,469 had died within 28 days of a positive test in this age group according to their own numbers.

So something very odd is happening in the US death stats, but it sure as hell is nothing to do with COVID.

And, of course, Fauci continues to spout out this nonsense without sense checking it, as does more worryingly Biden.

279485 ▶▶ Adamb, replying to Laurence, 1, #237 of 2196 🔗

It does say largest “percentage” increase, so just from one rather small number to another I assume?

280061 ▶▶▶ claire, replying to Adamb, #238 of 2196 🔗

Well spotted! 0.000001% to 0.000002%is a 100% increase!

280248 ▶▶▶ Laurence, replying to Adamb, #239 of 2196 🔗

it’s actually about 30,000 people and considering the number of deaths with a positive test in the last 28 days for that age group was 5,469 there are a lot of excess deaths that have nothing to do with Covid – but could have something to do with lockdown !

279450 steph, replying to steph, 47, #240 of 2196 🔗

One last thing I read in today’s DT was a letter which shows what we are up against in this fight against lockdown. The writer didn’t mind that their sleepy hamlet was in tier 3 and the pub was closed. Apparently that means people won’t be visiting from high risk areas and anyway “it’s not forever”.
Firstly, I wonder how the pub landlord feels about that? Secondly, it was only for 3 bloody weeks in March and look where we are now. Dear Pat (letter writer), you and any other of your fellow residents who are scared stay indoors if you want to but let the rest of us enjoy some freedom and your local landlord rescue their business if it is still possible, We are not the selfish ones, your fear is making you unforgivably selfish.

279452 ▶▶ kh1485, replying to steph, 23, #241 of 2196 🔗

“It’s not forever”? It bloody feels like it, Pat.

279587 ▶▶ Salopian, replying to steph, 7, #242 of 2196 🔗

She needs a good jab

279831 ▶▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to Salopian, 1, #243 of 2196 🔗

A left-right

279686 ▶▶ penelope pitstop, replying to steph, 21, #244 of 2196 🔗

ditto on facebook ski site about resorts being shut and workers at at french resort campaigning to open in dec. Some female shrill said “ohh it’s terribly sad and i will miss my ski in austria but i’m prepared to sacrifice ski holiday for the good of others” or words to that effect.
I responded that by the time she got out her bunker there probably won’t be a ski industry and individuals evaluate risks etc .
Didn’t go down well but these people just don’t get it and expect businesses to shut and then just pop back up as though nothing has happened – infuritating to say the least!

279739 ▶▶▶ Two-Six, replying to penelope pitstop, 3, #245 of 2196 🔗

A skiing holiday…haha.
I used to love skiing when I was young I was really good at it but since I was 18, I have never had enough money to go on a skiing holiday again..

279974 ▶▶▶ awildgoose, replying to penelope pitstop, 4, #246 of 2196 🔗

It’s sad how many people have no clue what it takes to run a business.

They think a business can just flick operations on and off like a light switch.

The reality is the opposite, and ski resorts are one of the least agile businesses going.

281171 ▶▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to awildgoose, 1, #247 of 2196 🔗

I think Sage and the Cabinet think the same way!

279828 ▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to steph, 5, #248 of 2196 🔗

I think the word “some” before “freedom” is surplus to requirement. Just give us our freedom! (You’re quite right that the scaredy-cats can cower at home, if they wish)

280577 ▶▶ Spikedee1, replying to steph, 4, #249 of 2196 🔗

Yes and Dear Pat, what about the poor minimum wage girl who worked in the pub and has not had a proper months money since March? As Sunita said, only the rich think lockdowns are good.

279456 Margaret, replying to Margaret, 32, #250 of 2196 🔗

Mahyar Tousi (@MahyarTousi) Tweeted: MPs spent hours telling us we should lock down, socially distance, and wear masks… then after the debate, they patted each other on the back with no social distancing or mask-wearing – including the Prime Minister breaking his own rules.

Rules for the many, not the few… https://t.co/wnJ1yXiKSc

279462 ▶▶ kh1485, replying to Margaret, 6, #251 of 2196 🔗

Thanks for the link. Good to have that image in the armoury.

279457 karenovirus, 4, #252 of 2196 🔗

Local Live roundup
The College will be learning at home for the last week of term to avoid taking Covid home for Xmas because lots of University students will be travelling at this time.
(Oh really, 1. Students are supposed to be going home this first week of December. 2. University and College students don’t mix).

This school or that community college have pupils isolating ( about 6 articles daily).

Rise in Covid cases in county hospitals.
Cases in county halved from last week.

Total deaths in the county now at 330 ( out of 1.1 million over 8 months, yawn.)

279463 Scotty87, replying to Scotty87, 69, #253 of 2196 🔗

That Julia Hartley Brewer interview with Col Bob Stewart MP shows us exactly what we’re up against. He basically admitted on air that he would vote for the Tier system despite the complete lack of scientific evidence supporting it’s efficacy because “we need to support the government and listen to the experts.”

That’s it. That’s his entire justification for destroying hundreds of businesses in his constituency and plunging millions of families into a future of financial insecurity and hardship. These repugnant troughers only care about their spot on the gravy train.

I hope the likes of Stewart are forced to glance nervously over their shoulder for the rest of their miserable lives!

279474 ▶▶ PFD, replying to Scotty87, 30, #254 of 2196 🔗

Bob Stewart also suggested they were experts because Mr Johnson had chosen them! That is a very interesting definition of an expert.

279489 ▶▶▶ tonyspurs, replying to PFD, 28, #255 of 2196 🔗

And when he was asked about other expert opinions he kept saying about Professor’s Heneghen and Gupta “well if they are so good why aren’t they on sage then?” maybe he should be asking Johnson that

279824 ▶▶▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to tonyspurs, 8, #256 of 2196 🔗

If SAGE is the pinnacle of “expert opinion” then this country is well and truly finished!

280894 ▶▶▶▶▶ Rowan, replying to Nick Rose, 1, #257 of 2196 🔗

As well as being totally fucked.

280033 ▶▶▶ Anne Passman, replying to PFD, 3, #258 of 2196 🔗

Why look to the PM for any considered judgement or thinking? He’s a politician, for heaven’s sake! He does the immediate thing that doesn’t require ant thought.

280043 ▶▶▶ Andrew Fish, replying to PFD, 4, #259 of 2196 🔗

Did Johnson choose them? It seems to me that the committee was assembled pretty quickly, which suggests the civil service already had them on call.

280030 ▶▶ Anne Passman, replying to Scotty87, 3, #260 of 2196 🔗

Email him. I have. Tell him what you think. Tell him about the GBD. Say you heard him The more we email MPs of both sides letting them know what we think, the more we can encourage those who voted against the tiers and condemn the others. If you’re not their constituent they’ll not reply but someone will be counting the emails. Call them liars. Use words like despot, tyranny, quote Graham Brady at them “we would call it evil”. Call them evil if they support such measures. Tell them they are to blame for all the hardship, abuse, bankruptcies, breakdowns personally. Make them uncomfortable if possible. Why do we need to save the NHS?Is it not there to save us?

280178 ▶▶▶ Sceptic in Oxford, replying to Anne Passman, #261 of 2196 🔗

I’ve been doing that whenever I hear one of them on the radion. We’ve got to chip away at them, even if they’re not our MP.

279465 Freecumbria, 9, #262 of 2196 🔗

Very much enjoyed the Ramesh Thakur article today, it certainly made me think.

I’m pretty reasonable on the science and data analysis side of things, but I’m clueless on what our best practical actions are to get us back to normal.

At the moment at least, I think that peaceful protest rather than violent protest is the way forward. It was noticeable from watching footage of the London protests how peaceful they were from the protesters side of things. I have nothing but admiration for the protesters who attended.

Angry as we are (and boy am I angry like most others here) as soon as you start using violence then it gets used against you by the media, politicians and all the others whose vested interests are to keep this charade going, and you then lose the potential support of others who don’t like what is going on but are currently sitting on the proverbial fence.

The voluntary arrest approach isn’t going to be practical in real life for many, but for those for whom it is, it’s something to consider I guess. We have to start thinking about these things though.

279466 karenovirus, replying to karenovirus, 4, #263 of 2196 🔗

Medicines regulator has approved Pfizer vaccine for UK.
BBC R4 reporting with NHS staff first in line next week.

279473 ▶▶ steph, replying to karenovirus, 8, #264 of 2196 🔗

No! Just no. I hope they will refuse.

279499 ▶▶▶ annie, replying to steph, 1, #265 of 2196 🔗

Let’s see how they like being guinea pigs.

279521 ▶▶▶▶ steph, replying to annie, 6, #266 of 2196 🔗

Many of us have NHS staff in our families. Some of them even worked on the frontline in ICU when they were overflowing and did not make TikTok videos. Some of them caught the disease and some of them are clearly immune. Don’t punish them please.

279596 ▶▶▶▶▶ TheOriginalBlackPudding, replying to steph, 5, #267 of 2196 🔗

Well said, Steph.
The NHS is a monstrous mess of an organisation, but let’s not lose sight of the people who work in it.

Those caring for the sick and dying last March/April showed courage. They did not know what they were facing in those early weeks, but they dug deep and found the courage to accept risk to themselves and to their families. And hats off too to their partners and families for their support.

(Maybe a few MPs could learn something from them.)

280054 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Silke David, replying to TheOriginalBlackPudding, #268 of 2196 🔗

I watched a little of the “great banquet” on BBC yesterday, (yes, I still have BBC).
The theme this year is Thank you to key workers (NHS only of course).
They did fancy canapees.
I am sure they would prefer Pizza, like they have been all year, apparently.
Although I believe some restaurants delivered more healthy food as well.

280186 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ JanMasarykMunich, replying to TheOriginalBlackPudding, #269 of 2196 🔗

I am hoping a very significant number refuse. If that happens, then the government’s whole ‘strategy’ will fall to pieces.

279467 Bungle, replying to Bungle, 4, #270 of 2196 🔗

Many, many thanks to Toby et. al. for this wonderful resource but please, can I ask that you stop using these unnecessary words ‘left’, ‘right’, ‘woke’ etc. Those who use such language consider me well to the left of Jeremy Corbyn who voted against the government yesterday. I merely ask this question: if we had voted for Corbyn and his spending on industrial growth, would we now be out of this crisis and thriving as a unified people???

279475 ▶▶ Tom Blackburn, replying to Bungle, 25, #271 of 2196 🔗

For anyone to second guess how another politician/party would’ve fared in this scenario would be pure guesswork. For me, I genuinely believe a bunch of monkeys pushing buttons and pulling random levers could’ve done better.

280036 ▶▶▶ Anne Passman, replying to Tom Blackburn, 3, #272 of 2196 🔗

Yup. My vote goes to the monkeys. At least they might not have come up with the load of stupid, meaningless and trite phrases “Hands,face space”etc that we’ve had to endure. And don’t get me started on the ineffectivemess of face masks.

279497 ▶▶ annie, replying to Bungle, 3, #273 of 2196 🔗


279564 ▶▶▶ G.Fawkes, replying to annie, #274 of 2196 🔗


279515 ▶▶ steph, replying to Bungle, 5, #275 of 2196 🔗

Boris has done the left’s job for them, carefully steered by a left leaning SAGE and MSM. Corbyn could scarcely have dreamt of achieving such a totalitarian outcome. Make no mistake he would willingly have done the same or worse. Having the people suppressed and begging for state handouts is not exactly anathema to socialists

279647 ▶▶ Mark, replying to Bungle, 6, #276 of 2196 🔗

FFS, get a grip, man! Corbyn was a full on panicker in March spouting juvenile tripe about herd immunity being “eugenics”. He played as full a part as he could in driving this country away from the Swedish-style path of reason that it was on, into panic mode where we’ve been ever since.

While Johnson-worshippers here have been forced to confront his inadequacies because he’s been on the spot making decisions (and getting them pretty much all wrong), Corbyn-fantasists have been able to preserve their illusions because he’s had no power and they can just pretend he didn’t say all the literally stupid things he’s been saying.

Yesterday he voted against the government, not for any grown up reason, apparently, but because they aren’t dishing out enough made up money on the never never to bribe people to put up with lockdown for longer.

I prefer Corbyn to Starmer, on the basis that incompetence is better than evil, but the man was and is a fool.

279815 ▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to Bungle, 3, #277 of 2196 🔗

Most of us try our hardest to blank it out and concentrate on the matter at hand: ending lockdown. But we all have our little slips. They’re usually forgiven.

280203 ▶▶ JanMasarykMunich, replying to Bungle, 1, #278 of 2196 🔗

Agree this is not a left/right issue. Not that those terms retain a great deal of meaning any more.
It’s humanity/reason/human rights against inhumanity/irrationality/totalitarianism.
But I certainly do not think that Corbyn would have been better. Far from it.

281725 ▶▶ Ed Turnbull, replying to Bungle, #279 of 2196 🔗

So, you would seek to police / control the language that people use in open debate? That’s always a good indicator of the character of one’s interlocutor.

I will continue to use whatever words I choose when discussing the utter vermin who’ve stolen my civil liberties. Words like ‘left’, ‘right’, ‘woke’ or ‘authoritarian idiot devoid of any substantive argument’ are entirely legitimate in my humble opinion. Have a nice day. Chin chin.

279468 Tom Blackburn, replying to Tom Blackburn, 19, #280 of 2196 🔗

Daily Mail: Nearly 40% of healthcare workers say they are ‘not likely’ to get a coronavirus vaccine.

279476 Poppy, replying to Poppy, 47, #282 of 2196 🔗

BREAKING: UK has become first country in the world to approve the Pfizer vaccine. Rollout will begin within days: UK approves Pfizer/BioNTech Covid vaccine for mass roll out https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-55145696

This should be good news but strangely I don’t feel terribly happy about this, for a number of reasons. This all feels very rushed. There is no precedent for rolling out an mRNA vaccine so quickly for such mass usage. I have genuine safety concerns and I don’t think that’s unreasonable, especially because, at 22, my risk of harm from the vaccine likely outweighs my risk from Covid. Thank God that I’m at the very bottom of the list so I have a bit of time to assess side effects. You’d think that the govt could be trustworthy because if the vaccine were to go catastrophically wrong then the pharma industry would be destroyed and the whole world is watching, but remember how much destruction these politicians have caused to other industries this year with lockdowns and how little regard they have for people’s health.

I’m also worried that as soon as the vaccine is rolled out, people will forget about lockdown and the harms it caused. People won’t learn. They will just roll up their sleeves, get their jab and go back to normal, not giving a damn about those who were destroyed by the most harmful policy mistake in history. Just because there’s now a vaccine doesn’t mean there cannot be accountability for lockdowns and it absolutely does NOT justify them.

279477 ▶▶ Tom Blackburn, replying to Poppy, 9, #283 of 2196 🔗

Let them have it.

279496 ▶▶ annie, replying to Poppy, 30, #284 of 2196 🔗

The vaccine won’t stop lockdowns, muzzling, isolation or the rest of the shitshow. That’s been made clear.
Maybe the fools who now trust in the Magic Snake Oil Jab will start to get a glimmer when they realise how comprehensively they have been conned.
Or maybe not.

279503 ▶▶ Jonathan Palmer, replying to Poppy, 29, #285 of 2196 🔗

‘10 months for a process that normally takes years’
How many people will stop to realise the implications of that statement.
Vaccines take years because you need to know if there any long term effects.
For a relatively harmless virus this is a big gamble for many.

279510 ▶▶▶ Now More Than Ever, replying to Jonathan Palmer, 57, #286 of 2196 🔗

It’s funny, isn’t it, that people who are too frightened to come out of their houses because of an infinitesimally small chance of catching a virus are apparently not at all frightened of having a rushed vaccine with unknowable long-term side effects.

279513 ▶▶▶▶ Eliza P., replying to Now More Than Ever, 7, #287 of 2196 🔗

Valid point. Maybe they are being more than a trifle inconsistent/hypocritical in their thoughts and they want everyone else to have the vaccine and then they will emerge from their houses? We pay – they gain so to say. At least we are consistent in our thoughts – we go about our lives exactly as normal as far as we can manage to do so (ie without the Government etc stopping us) AND we won’t have the vaccine.

279865 ▶▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to Now More Than Ever, 1, #288 of 2196 🔗

I can see the beginnings of a solution here … 🙂

280078 ▶▶▶▶ Silke David, replying to Now More Than Ever, 6, #289 of 2196 🔗

Because one doesn’t question doctors.
Most people do not have the capacity do understand the complexity of the vaccine, especially a RNA one. Why would they question it, if they have followed stupid guidelines all this time, even if they moan about it?
If the doctor says, take this, they will swallow it.
Most people want a quick cure, just think about all these people asking for antibiotics, even for a cold. They have absolutely no understanding of basic medical facts, they just want to be “normal”.

279533 ▶▶ Stephanos, replying to Poppy, 40, #290 of 2196 🔗

I turned 70 this year and I am NOT having the vaccine. I do NOT trust this government or the NHS.

279717 ▶▶▶ stevie, replying to Stephanos, 5, #291 of 2196 🔗


279546 ▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to Poppy, 13, #292 of 2196 🔗

Good point but I suspect these zealots will be in for a nasty surprise when they realise that the vaccine won’t be an end to our dystopian nightmare and if they develop side effects from the vaccine.

279588 ▶▶ Wayne Keogh, replying to Poppy, 3, #293 of 2196 🔗

People will not forget 2020 Poppy, the ripple effect from this will be exponential, Boris Jonscum & Kill Gates will not be be sticking a needle in me or my family!!

279597 ▶▶ PastImperfect, replying to Poppy, 6, #294 of 2196 🔗

This is only the start. We can only hope that NHS staff refuse, en masse.

279679 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to Poppy, 11, #295 of 2196 🔗

I think you worries about a vaccine making it all go away for people is valid. The government have done a an excellent job of crystallising that in the minds of the general public.

The reason why they’ll forget is because ultimately they don’t care. They virtue signal with their masks and social media badges, “if it wasn’t for those rule breakers” etc. (see Ivor Cummings latest vid to see just how wrong this is), lockdown the schools, teachers are risking their lives nonsense.

They’ll just move on. The damage caused by all this will have been worth it or they’ll begin now patronising those who’ve suffered by claiming the government has to “do more” to support those who bore the brunt of the lockdowns to recognise their sacrifice.

They’ll now drop in behind calls for the dodgy contracts to be investigated fully and they’ll call for Starmer as PM, because we would never have gotten into this position if it wasnt for BJ (ready made scapegoat whose position within the WEF Committee to replace Schwab will now be assured anyway) and his incompetence. The privatisation danger of the NHS will be brought up again to ensure they remain front and centre in this never ending virtuous masturbation.

We will probably get an enquiry in 2027. This is will a hand wringing exercise and while many will be cited for their poor management and conflicts of interest, the deadliest pandemic in 100 years will prove a get out o jail card for everyone. The cost of the enquiry will be hundreds of millions and last well into 2030.

279743 ▶▶ Thomas_E, replying to Poppy, 8, #296 of 2196 🔗

Ok..you can easily avoid this by either joining he Security Services or the Army/Nay/RAF…all of them have been told NOT to take the vaccine? How strange, It’s almost like they know it’s not safe/dangerous.

279791 ▶▶▶ Jez Hewitt, replying to Thomas_E, 2, #297 of 2196 🔗

Is this true? If so, source please.

279762 ▶▶ peyrole, replying to Poppy, 4, #298 of 2196 🔗

No the pharmas would not be destroyed, they have 100% ‘immunity’ from liabilities. The Govt picks up the tab, which means the tax payer, which means you. You have the risk of harm and the financial consequences. That is the stitch up.

279870 ▶▶ Ceriain, replying to Poppy, 3, #299 of 2196 🔗

This all feels very rushed.

That is exactly my feeling, Poppy. The number of deaths (with or of Covid) don’t justify the speed they are going with this.

I can really see why there are all sorts of theories flying about.

279479 Tom Blackburn, 7, #300 of 2196 🔗

Looks like Mike Yeadon’s application to EMA is mute now. Guess we will see exactly how safe this thing sooner rather than later.

279480 TJN, 64, #301 of 2196 🔗

Email of this morning to my MP. It’s getting personal now.

Dear Mr Cox,

So you voted for the tier system yesterday evening. Again, perhaps you’d like to explain why. I am at a loss to know why any thinking person would support it.

But I get the very strong impression that you are simply not applying your mind to covid matters. This is by far the most important issue affecting your constituents; and you are not applying your mind to it.

Instead, I see from the register of Member’s interests that from late September you will be receiving nearly half a million pounds a year for private legal services. The covid measures won’t be making you poorer. Perhaps you could donate your fees to those of your constituents who will be driven out of work by the measures you have voted for.

I also get the impression that you won’t be standing for Parliament again. But presumably someone is going to stand for the Conservatives in your seat. And by then the appalling impact of the government policies will have struck home, and I wouldn’t bet anything on their being elected. Indeed, I hope and pray that the Conservative Party is wiped out (except perhaps in 55 seats).

Hitherto I have been a law-abiding person, and I have never been in trouble with the law. But I – and I would hazard many millions of others – will be paying no regard whatsoever to the tier restrictions. Fine me and I won’t pay. Put me in jail and I’ll just sit there.

It is the duty of every decent and responsible citizen to stand up to this disgusting government.

Another shameful day in the House of Commons.

And to think, less than a year ago, I voted Conservative: shame on me.

Yours till next time,

A former Conservative voter.

279486 diego22, replying to diego22, 14, #302 of 2196 🔗

Allison Pearson has a fine article in today’s Telegraph on the ludicrous and offensive mantra “Protect the NHS”. Don’t miss it.

279494 ▶▶ annie, replying to diego22, 3, #303 of 2196 🔗


279525 ▶▶▶ steph, replying to annie, 1, #304 of 2196 🔗

There are well publicised ways round this. I no longer subscribe but can read it. I didn’t down tick BTW

279487 Jonathan Palmer, 12, #305 of 2196 🔗

Who would have thought it.£360 billion down the drain and more to come.If we only knew then that all we had to do was eat 1 or 2 scotch eggs and we would be safe.

279488 Tom Blackburn, replying to Tom Blackburn, 13, #306 of 2196 🔗

Nauseating; Wanksock tweeting ‘help is on the way’.

Fuck sake

279493 ▶▶ annie, replying to Tom Blackburn, 11, #307 of 2196 🔗

Does he mean ‘I am being dogged by determined assassins’?

279519 ▶▶▶ Tom Blackburn, replying to annie, 3, #308 of 2196 🔗

I’m having a party when the great white dope gets dumped on by Pfeffel

279539 ▶▶▶ G.Fawkes, replying to annie, 4, #309 of 2196 🔗

Fingers crossed.

279645 ▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to Tom Blackburn, 2, #310 of 2196 🔗

Would rather be left to drown if that gurning moron is the “help”.

279752 ▶▶ Thomas_E, replying to Tom Blackburn, 2, #311 of 2196 🔗

Does that mean I see the error of my ways and can no longer live with the shame. I will now publicly commit seppuku to atone for my dishonor? If it’s not then fuck off you cunt!

279490 Freecumbria, replying to Freecumbria, 8, #312 of 2196 🔗

Someone spotted this a few days ago. Worth a re-post

Things you need to know about vaccines
“do get safety tested for years before being introduced”

They need to replace that with

“don’t get safety tested for years before being introduced

279505 ▶▶ Stoic, replying to Freecumbria, 5, #313 of 2196 🔗

Freecumbria, I tried to post that information on the Spectator website twice but it was censored out twice. I have written to my MP, Theresa May, since the country needs to know why the NHS’s advice has been changed. I shall report back here if she replies.

279507 ▶▶▶ Freecumbria, replying to Stoic, 2, #314 of 2196 🔗

Well done for doing this

279523 ▶▶ Ramage, replying to Freecumbria, 4, #315 of 2196 🔗

Another observation – it says that anti vaccine viewpoints online “may” not be based on correct analysis. Doesn’t say “isn’t” or “aren’t”…

279536 ▶▶ Freecumbria, replying to Freecumbria, 1, #316 of 2196 🔗

In relation to the Oxford vaccine but not the Pfizer vaccine (but still relevant)


“This is a unique situation where we as a company simply cannot take risk if in ..four years the vaccine is showing side effects,” Ruud Dobber, a member of Astra’s senior executive team, told Reuters.

279511 Laurence, replying to Laurence, 39, #317 of 2196 🔗

Just heard the news about the vaccine – made me feel physically sick !

The waste of time and money spent on a vaccine for a relatively unexceptional virus – the waste of livelihoods and loss of jobs for nothing – and now the prospect of being ‘saved’ from any more garbage by a totally unnecessary vaccine for a population that is virtually immune. The cost in lost lives in Africa because money and attention was diverted from TB and malaria.

The idiocy and innumeracy of Boris and his lackeys and pathetic ‘scientists’ will now take longer to come to light.

It feels like the end of the enlightenment after 300 years – it is a dark day and I feel sick.

279514 ▶▶ Basileus, replying to Laurence, 8, #318 of 2196 🔗

Does anyone know of an independent lab who could analyse this vaccine. Also can anyone supply the manufacturer’s insert leaflet which should give a list of know side effects?

279534 ▶▶▶ G.Fawkes, replying to Basileus, 5, #319 of 2196 🔗

Judging by the trials some of the side effects include myelitis and sudden death.

279517 ▶▶ Tom Blackburn, replying to Laurence, 7, #320 of 2196 🔗

I’m more positive. General mass hysteria reduces producing more rational thinking and ethical decision making. Maybe I am naïve.

279528 ▶▶▶ Laurence, replying to Tom Blackburn, 2, #321 of 2196 🔗

hope you’re right

279516 mhcp, replying to mhcp, 4, #322 of 2196 🔗

So interesting on this day in history, Napolean was declared Emperor of France and Fidel Castro took power in Cuba

280613 ▶▶ Spikedee1, replying to mhcp, #323 of 2196 🔗

According to Rick Wakemans book Castro was a lovely man who really cared for his people? Wonder what people will be saying about the Pig Chancellor in 5 years?

281172 ▶▶▶ Borisbullshit, replying to Spikedee1, #324 of 2196 🔗

Pity he never held any elections to see how much people agreed with that lol.

279527 Marialta, 9, #325 of 2196 🔗

Watching the shocking news about the vaccine …but there is actually some good news on BBC as well – care home visits are allowed albeit with lots of checks. How bloody long was this inhumane restriction dragged out?

279530 NickR, replying to NickR, 17, #326 of 2196 🔗

1. Vaccinate hospital inpatients.
2. Stop doing PCR tests in hospital.
3. Change process of reporting on death certificates to exclude Covid unless it was the primary cause of death.
Miraculously, no more covid.

280623 ▶▶ Spikedee1, replying to NickR, 1, #327 of 2196 🔗

Yes when I wrote to my MP I said to him, just for one minute ignore the cases and look at Hospitalisations and deaths. Now compare with this time last year. Where is your pandemic. Might have worked as he voted against the bill.

279537 MAM, 3, #328 of 2196 🔗

Dear Big Brother.

I’ve recently heard that protests may be possible if sponsored by a charity! Is this something you would be willing to sponsor. I ask on behalf of myself, friends who currently are within a whattapp group and of course all of us. We are keen on hard scientific facts and credible evidence of which we have lots. If, protest is now possible via an organisation or charity sponsoring ten I ask , please consider.

279538 maggie may, 7, #329 of 2196 🔗

Since the pharma companies are not responsible for any damage done by their vaccines, i assume it will be us the poor tax payer who has to cough up when the claims start rolling in as they did with Swine Flu.

The insurance industry functions successfully by assessing risk – just wondered if anyone who has medical insurance has contacted or can contact the company to find out if they will cover their customers for any side effects, long term or short term, from a vaccine. I suspect the answer will be a resounding no but it would be interested to find out if they have any faith in the safety of these vaccines.

279541 maggie may, replying to maggie may, 11, #330 of 2196 🔗

And doesn’t the body language of both Johnson and Gove in the picture at the top of the page say a lot? i was always told that folding your arms and in Gove’s case turning away from the speaker is a sure sign in a meeting that you’re not listening and not interested.

279553 ▶▶ kh1485, replying to maggie may, 7, #331 of 2196 🔗

And that you are incredibly rude.

279594 ▶▶▶ maggie may, replying to kh1485, 5, #332 of 2196 🔗

That too! i listened to Graham Brady but couldn’t watch it because of those two s***** who I would dearly love to see hounded out of government.

279618 ▶▶▶▶ kh1485, replying to maggie may, 5, #333 of 2196 🔗

I know. And that raising of the eyebrows by Alexander Johnson, very disrespectful. They are arrogance personified.

279713 ▶▶▶▶▶ Two-Six, replying to kh1485, 6, #334 of 2196 🔗

Yep the way they were slouching in their seats, arms folder, turned away, puling faces. Behaving like children. Just despicable behaviour, especially in the setting of the HOC and when listening to such a symbolicly significant character.

Contemptible behaviour.

280770 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Keen Cook, replying to Two-Six, 2, #335 of 2196 🔗

Yes but anyone who was prepared to have a pic taken in the summer looking like a tramp (with baby carrier) obviously doesn’t care a fig about appearances. And yet as PM it is impossible to take him seriously (even if he was a little bit competent) looking like that. I know it’s old fashioned but impressions matter in public life.

280943 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ kh1485, replying to Keen Cook, #336 of 2196 🔗

Exactly. He should take lessons in matters sartorial from the estimable Sir Desmond.

281176 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Borisbullshit, replying to kh1485, #337 of 2196 🔗

or even Michael Foot!

279543 l835, replying to l835, 8, #338 of 2196 🔗

Uk first country to approve a vaccine, something to celebrate? Don’t think so, it’s not a race, and might be seen as foolhardy.

279554 ▶▶ Eddy, replying to l835, 4, #339 of 2196 🔗

If “Dr” Bill Gates says it’s good for me I’m all in. In fact 2 shots a day would be nice.

279638 ▶▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to Eddy, 2, #340 of 2196 🔗

Well volunteered. Keep us posted how you get on 😉

279549 Mark T, replying to Mark T, 17, #341 of 2196 🔗

to my MP who voted in favour:

Dear Felicity,

Thank you for your email and an explanation of your thinking. I am sure it will come as no surprise that I am both disappointed with your decision and in disagreement with your reasoning. The current government has proven to be untrustworthy, unreliable and susceptible to outside influences that continue to be proven spectacularly wrong on multiple measures. It is deeply disturbing that MPs ignore all of that and continue to be in favour of forcefully imposing measures that are directly responsible for the unnecessary deaths of thousands, increase in domestic abuse, destruction of physical and mental health, disproportionately devastating to the working classes as well as all of the youth, and bringing about financial catastrophe for millions (along with astronomical government debt that will have to be paid by taxpayers at some point).

As bad as all of that is, what is worse is that those who have not voted against these measures are implicitly agreeing with the notion that it is the government’s right to trample on the freedom and liberty that used to be sacrosanct in this country. The government’s role is to PROTECT liberty, not to grant it like it is giving out favours and we should all be meekly grateful. And let’s not forget, this travesty is being justified based on an illness that is of little to no particular health concern for more than 99% of the population.

That is equally mind boggling and frightening.



280049 ▶▶ Anne Passman, replying to Mark T, #342 of 2196 🔗

Thank you for your letter. I shall try and remember as much of it as I can for my own MP (current LDC infection rate 36.3 – 17 deaths in all, Tier 2 and he’s content with that).

279551 kh1485, replying to kh1485, 35, #343 of 2196 🔗

Today’s blackboard piss-takery:

Why not come in for a coffee/tea and a bite to eat before we are closed down again!

Welcome to the new Cromwellian age!

Stay Sane 🙂

Well, I’ve got to get my protest in somehow.

279557 ▶▶ l835, replying to kh1485, 14, #344 of 2196 🔗

And in Wales….

279648 ▶▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to l835, 1, #345 of 2196 🔗

Sarcasm will definitely save their business.

279659 ▶▶▶▶ TJN, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 3, #346 of 2196 🔗

I like sarcasm.

279676 ▶▶▶▶▶ kh1485, replying to TJN, 3, #347 of 2196 🔗

It’s all I have left.

279708 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ TJN, replying to kh1485, 5, #348 of 2196 🔗

Sarcasm and ridicule are powerful verbal weapons. Especially when logical analysis has been abandoned.

280211 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ annie, replying to TJN, 4, #349 of 2196 🔗

It’s a start.
What we want across the whole of Wales is ‘We will be open on Friday and every day thereafter. Stuff you, Mr Dungford.’
If only they would get together and resist!

279662 ▶▶ TJN, replying to kh1485, 2, #350 of 2196 🔗

Like it!

But I am sure Cromwell would have been disgusted at what is being inflicted on us now.

279701 ▶▶▶ kh1485, replying to TJN, 3, #351 of 2196 🔗

Sorry, just relying on my, admittedly, very limited knowledge of history. And the fact that Sir Desmond quoted him as being the last politician to attempt to ban Christmas.

279712 ▶▶▶▶ TJN, replying to kh1485, 1, #352 of 2196 🔗

Cromwell’s a difficult one, and I wouldn’t claim to have the measure of him. Churchill referred to ‘his smokey soul’, which seems apt.

What is going on now is more akin to a religious mania I think

280206 ▶▶▶ annie, replying to TJN, 2, #353 of 2196 🔗

He would. He held out against the most extreme elements in Parliament.

279552 steve_w, replying to steve_w, 18, #354 of 2196 🔗

this vaccine is definitely safe. no long term effects have been found so far

279562 ▶▶ Eddy, replying to steve_w, 5, #355 of 2196 🔗

Will it beat long covid though?

279555 mhcp, replying to mhcp, 11, #356 of 2196 🔗

And so the battle truly begins: the upcoming medical apartheid.

279558 ▶▶ Tom Blackburn, replying to mhcp, 10, #357 of 2196 🔗

It’s not gonna happen.

280265 ▶▶▶ JanMasarykMunich, replying to Tom Blackburn, 1, #358 of 2196 🔗

I hope you are right. But I fear not. In any case that the idea can even be mooted officially is terrifying. And even more terrifying is that it seems to have support. Indeed comments (I spent some time at the DM today to gauge opinion) by the more arrogant and aggressive of the pro-vaccine lot indicate that they would actually take great pleasure in terrorizing and humiliating the ‘anti-vaxxers’ (which I am not; just this one).

279556 Caroline Watson, replying to Caroline Watson, 13, #359 of 2196 🔗

Don’t forget that some of the Labour MPs voted against the Tiers because they thought the measures didn’t go far enough and there should be indefinite lockdown. Richard Burgon and the Bell woman were in that category. They want ‘Zero Covid like New Zealand’ (do they actually know where New Zealand is?!). For someone who supposedly went to Cambridge, Burgon is incredibly stupid.

279566 ▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to Caroline Watson, 5, #360 of 2196 🔗

Burgon regularly gets hammered on Twitter. Not a good advert for Cambridge.

279611 ▶▶ Ed Phillips, replying to Caroline Watson, 3, #361 of 2196 🔗

My MP is in the same category.
Do I write saying: Thanks for voting against the government. Shame it was for the wrong reasons.

279908 ▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to Ed Phillips, 2, #362 of 2196 🔗

Think I’d write from the wrong-end-of-the-stick-on-purpose perspective.

Thanks for standing up again lockdown nonsense and tyranny, etc. More likely to get a reply ! 🙂

279635 ▶▶ kenadams, replying to Caroline Watson, 4, #363 of 2196 🔗

Burgin went to Cambridge! Jesus christ. He is the most complete and total moron.

279654 ▶▶ Mark, replying to Caroline Watson, 3, #364 of 2196 🔗

Or because, like Corbyn, reportedly, they wanted the government to spend more borrowed money bribing people to put up with it for longer.

280637 ▶▶ Spikedee1, replying to Caroline Watson, 2, #365 of 2196 🔗

I still think they will eventually cop it in NZ. it will run rife through them as the have no herd immunity.

281198 ▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Spikedee1, #366 of 2196 🔗

Especially as it’s midsummer out there now and the safest time to “let it rip”

279559 Eddy, replying to Eddy, 18, #367 of 2196 🔗

Pumping shite into your body to protect you from something that has a 99.99% survival rate.

Who really benefits?

279560 ▶▶ G.Fawkes, replying to Eddy, 11, #368 of 2196 🔗


279565 ▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to Eddy, 8, #369 of 2196 🔗

Big Pharma.

279573 ▶▶ Judy Watson, replying to Eddy, 4, #370 of 2196 🔗

It’s big pharma that benefits – and the share-holders.

280190 ▶▶ Mutineer, replying to Eddy, 5, #371 of 2196 🔗

Vaccines ceased to be about health many years ago. Kids are bombarded with completely unnecessary vaccines, hence the massive rise in autism etc The only beneficiaries are the pharma companies who run the NHS and now the Govt. Pharma companies are corrupt, immoral and most of their ‘research’ is actually devious and unsafe. The internet have hidden most anti vaccine info but take the time to Google Pharma companies violations and be horrified. They reoffend again and again as it is a drop in the ocean to them when they pay billion dollar fines. These don’t even include damages for anyone injured or killed by a vaccine as they persuaded the Govt to pay these for them. The Govt denies vaccine damage exists and yet has paid out around £74 of taxpayers money in damages. Then take a look at withdrawn medications all of which passed their safety checks. I was unlucky enough to be part of a Pfizer trial a few years ago and ended up in hospital for 10 days on a drip, Pfizer didn’t even count that as a negative side effect!

279563 Fingerache Philip., replying to Fingerache Philip., 5, #372 of 2196 🔗

Reasons to be cheerful part 1017: even the fundermentalist collaborators and the MSM have to admit that only 11% of people when told to “self-isolate” actually do so.

279646 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to Fingerache Philip., 2, #373 of 2196 🔗

So no rules being followed and they still can’t get their pandemic.

279568 Bart Simpson, 17, #374 of 2196 🔗

Not surprised that my MP voted in favour. He’s useless and is pretty much a yes man.

I will neither forgive nor forget in the next election. However unlike Mr Bart, I will NOT be voting for Labour. Nor Lib Dem, nor Green.

We should remind people that politicians of all the major parties are complicit in this.

Never Again.

279569 Gareth, replying to Gareth, 6, #375 of 2196 🔗

Dr. Wodarg and Dr. Yeadon request a stop of all corona vaccination studies and call for co-signing the petition

279605 ▶▶ p02099003, replying to Gareth, #376 of 2196 🔗

There is one big problem. The EMA is responsible for medicine safety across the EU, in 4 weeks time the U.K. will not be in the EU and so the EMA will have no control over U.K. decisions.

279616 ▶▶▶ Gareth, replying to p02099003, 3, #377 of 2196 🔗

True, but if the EMA do consider stopping the studies, questions can be asked as to the rapid approval in the UK. The Swiss authorities are stalling approval of Pfizer, Astra and Moderna vaccines, citing a lack of data.

279631 ▶▶▶▶ p02099003, replying to Gareth, 3, #378 of 2196 🔗

I think the FDA in the USA are being more cautious as well. I do wonder whether this is a PR stunt on the part of the government.

279680 ▶▶▶▶▶ kf99, replying to p02099003, 7, #379 of 2196 🔗

The same people so terrified of ‘chlorinated chicken’ will be the ones happy to take the US vaccine.

280016 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ annie, replying to kf99, 1, #380 of 2196 🔗

Red Smarties are. fearful risk, too.
Get the jab, stay safe.

279570 stefarm, replying to stefarm, 51, #381 of 2196 🔗

When will the penny drop #1

At the most recent F1 race Romain grosjean had a 137 mph death defying crash which resulted in his car being sheered in 2 and catching fire. The safety staff done a magnificent job in saving him and putting the fire out – in a real life or death situation no gimp masks worn or pantomime. Grosjean walked away assisted by 2 track officials – no gimp masks.

F1 champion Lewis Hamilton who for the last 6 months has been flying around the world and driving his car really fast in a circle has been doing the wokey cokey and has tested (false)+ – gimp masks and SD standard when in front of the camera. No symptoms, pure pantomime. Oh look, the week after he wins the championship.

Christiano Ronaldo one of the fittest men on the planet. 3 x (false)+ tests, no symptoms. His opinion ‘PCR tests are shit’.

Dustin Johnson (false)+ test, 3 weeks later he wins the golf masters. One of the most career defining moments a professional golfer can achieve.

All shits and giggles and backslapping in the HOC last night. All pantomime.

Deathly p(l)andemic on the loose and all the slippery turds can debate is whether a scotch egg is a substantial meal…a fucking scotch egg!!! No doubt with a runny woke, sorry yoke. Maybe that is today’s debate.

Handcock gives his mate a £30m contract to make and supply test tubes. Oh look, the landlord of his village pub. Not a bad bit of compensation.

Fuck sake, a fucking scam and they are all in on it. Bought and paid for by your friendly neighbourhood pharmaceutical companies.

279730 ▶▶ PastImperfect, replying to stefarm, 6, #382 of 2196 🔗

Bought and paid for by the rest of us.

279576 John Stone, replying to John Stone, 8, #383 of 2196 🔗

The Wodarg/Yeadon petition illustrates why it had been wrong to gaslight people critical of vaccines – it will be remembered that it was Dr Wodarg who brought to light the narcolepsy issues with Pandemrix in 2009. The Prime Minister has been preparing for this moment since taking office:


Marginalising people by calling them “antivaxxers” even on this blog has been a great mistake.

280290 ▶▶ JanMasarykMunich, replying to John Stone, 2, #384 of 2196 🔗

Dr. Wodarg is a hero. Sadly, he has been subjected to a massive campaign in German MSM (even worse than UK MSM — yes, really, even worse) to discredit him.
He has a good website, but mostly in German.

279577 Stuart, #385 of 2196 🔗

More banging about in a budgie-cage for the pols.

As forever and always, who controls the Taserreich controls the country.

Which way will MULE* kick? For the people or against them?

*Masked & Uniformed Lockdown Enforcement.

279579 Mabel Cow, replying to Mabel Cow, 16, #386 of 2196 🔗

Repost from yesterday: Try giving me a jab and I’ll give you one .

Print your own here . Also available as a t-shirt .

I hadn’t expected the poster would be needed quite so soon, but it’s good to know that our biotech industries have conquered the thorny problem of monitoring for long-term adverse effects. Apparently tomorrow they will be announcing they have developed a way for 9 women to gestate a child in one month.

280300 ▶▶ JanMasarykMunich, replying to Mabel Cow, 2, #387 of 2196 🔗

Great. Thanks for making me laugh. Indeed, thanks to all who post anything humorous on here. It lifts the spirits, which is badly needed.

280633 ▶▶ claire, replying to Mabel Cow, 1, #388 of 2196 🔗

Window sticker would be nice 🙂

279580 mhcp, 10, #389 of 2196 🔗

Isn’t it interesting that supposedly a mask protects someone else because if you are “Asymptomatic” then you “could” pass on the virus.

But if you are Asymptomatic then you are clearly on your way to being immune.

So why are you wearing the mask?

279581 Country Mumkin, replying to Country Mumkin, 4, #390 of 2196 🔗

Many of us don’t listen to the Beeb. I had radio 4 on to go on school run and nearly crashed the car. The vaccine is approved. Too late for any petitions etc!

279585 ▶▶ kh1485, replying to Country Mumkin, 3, #391 of 2196 🔗

But Piers Morgan has volunteered to have the vaccine live on air!

279592 ▶▶▶ Dan Clarke, replying to kh1485, 1, #392 of 2196 🔗

His type of reality show

279599 ▶▶▶ stefarm, replying to kh1485, #393 of 2196 🔗

Maybe it will be cyanide and not a placebo

279613 ▶▶▶ Will, replying to kh1485, 2, #394 of 2196 🔗

If Moron thinks the vaccine is a good idea I won’t be having it.

279617 ▶▶▶ IanE, replying to kh1485, #395 of 2196 🔗

Goody – I believe this is one of the painful vaccines!

279625 ▶▶▶ Spikedee1, replying to kh1485, #396 of 2196 🔗

Now that is something I would volunteer for.

280014 ▶▶▶ annie, replying to kh1485, 1, #397 of 2196 🔗

Or one cc of distilled water, how can we tell?

279591 ▶▶ Mabel Cow, replying to Country Mumkin, 2, #398 of 2196 🔗

Additionally, now there is an “approved” vaccine, all subsequent vaccine trials will need to use the approved vaccine as their control or else risk being labelled unethical (as they would be denying trial participants the best available alternative).

281215 ▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Mabel Cow, #399 of 2196 🔗


279582 Dan Clarke, replying to Dan Clarke, 8, #400 of 2196 🔗

Johnson looks like a child, who knows he’s doing wrong and is being scolded for it.

279770 ▶▶ Matt The Cat, replying to Dan Clarke, 1, #401 of 2196 🔗

Yesterday, I thought Yeltsin was looking on aghast, and was realising the “game was almost up”. Now I know he was actually smirking. The vote last night revealed those who he could rely on, and those that he couldn’t.
Yeltsin already knew that the vaccine was going to get the “green light” this morning, of course.

279584 Margaret, 6, #402 of 2196 🔗

Am I imagining it or did Boris say yesterday that “we can’t let the whole country out at once”?
That’s his plan then, to let us out bit by bit, area by area so that we’ll be so happy to be let out of jail that we forget why we were put there in the first place.

279586 petgor, 7, #403 of 2196 🔗

I switched on Talk Radio this morning, the only radio station which appeared to have adopted a sceptical attitude, to hear a near hysterical “breaking news” about a Astra Zeneca vaccine. Maybe just maybe the reports are correct but I can’t help wondering whether this is just another example of government control, after increasing examples of rebellion by MPs. It’s just too convenient. But let’s hope, but I still won’t be in the queue.

279590 Dan Clarke, replying to Dan Clarke, 12, #404 of 2196 🔗

Its not about a virus its about getting us all ID’d. Control our lives, and only the ID will do that.

279598 ▶▶ stefarm, replying to Dan Clarke, 9, #405 of 2196 🔗

For what it’s worth IMO the vaccine is a red herring. Continual testing, health passports and social credits are the big plan.

Open ended lockdowns until it can all be rolled out.

279608 ▶▶▶ Dan Clarke, replying to stefarm, 5, #406 of 2196 🔗

I agree. It will control everything, gives pharma big cash, gives the climate lobby what they want with control of movement, and AI development

279795 ▶▶▶ jb12, replying to stefarm, 3, #407 of 2196 🔗

Yes, those are exactly my thoughts since the summer. The vaccine is the Trojan Horse of tighter social control.

279603 guy153, replying to guy153, 15, #408 of 2196 🔗

I’m a little disappointed by the petition Yeadon is asking people to sign. He’s at risk of losing the centre ground and diluting the important point which he keeps making (and which is much easier to defend) which is that in Western Europe and most of the world the pandemic is over.

The vaccine demands are scaremongering and not more credible than claims from the other side like that 50% of mild Covid survivors will suffer from heart failure due to Long Covid.

There is nothing wrong with using symptoms plus a properly done PCR test to verify Covid infection, and no reason to demand people use the Sanger test instead. Nobody has shown that there is anything wrong with the RT-PCR test except the same things that are wrong with any test– not taking account of the specificity when prevalence is low, and not following the instructions properly and keeping everything clean.

The other claims in reverse order of bogosity:

If antibodies to spike proteins resulted in infertility you’d be just as likely to suffer this from actual Covid, or even from a common cold. Even the Long Covid crowd aren’t trying to scare us with this one.

Lots of other vaccines have PEG in them. It can’t be that bad or we would know about it.

Long term effects such as narcolepsy are certainly something that it’s worth evaluating over a longer period.

Disease enhancement (which I don’t think was actually ADE but immune system imbalance) is in my view the biggest risk. But to get that into proportion, all the vaccines that have had that problem before either showed it on animals or in phase 3 trials. The SARS2 vaccines we’re talking about have all passed both of these tests, on a few dozen monkeys and several tens of thousands of people.

The Moderna trial had 30 cases of severe Covid out of 15000 in the control arm and 0 in the vaccine arm. That is a statistically significant relative risk reduction of between 4x and 1000x. If enhancement happens it’s with less frequency than severe Covid from a natural infection. My remaining concerns about enhancement relate to what happens longer-term after the antibodies from the vaccine have gone and you’re left with whatever other immune memory it gives you. I emphasize that this is a low but unknown risk that needs to be balanced with other risks. Severe adverse reactions will also happen, but so far, in these trials, much less often than severe Covid happens without the vaccine. Nothing is perfect; it’s all about balance.

I dislike all Johnson’s drivel about the siren call of sunlit bugles as much as everyone and this makes me instinctively want to push the table over and knock all the vaccine doses onto the floor. But they do work and they are per se a good thing.

What is a not a good thing is the heavy-handed persuasion and “encouragement” we will be subjected to for no reason other than to be actors in the bugle story and that’s what we need to concentrate on.

Should we be rushing these vaccines out or waiting another year or so? Most of the world does not need them now. The time to take the vaccine is in about a year and a half. Coronaviruses seem to be quite strongly biennial. Covid will be back, so take the vaccine when you have a much better idea of its long-term safety and so that you have a fresh dose at the right time. The equation is different in AU and NZ and those are the places I would be trying to make sure the vaccine was available first.

But I don’t see why we can’t offer them to people now. All along a lot of this debate has been about whether people should be allowed to be responsible for their own risks or not. I think they should. In an ideal world, the risks of both the vaccine and the disease should both be explained honestly and people allowed to choose. You shouldn’t withhold a vaccine you have that has a good chance of working and of not doing harm any more than you should withhold treatments like HCQ because you’re waiting for gold-standard clinical trials.

Do we need a vaccine for what is a relatively commonplace disease? Not really, but we are where we are and we now have a few of them. The money they cost could have been better spent elsewhere (but there also plenty of worse things it could have been spent on…) But none of this is relevant. We have it now, it should be cautiously welcomed, and the right battles to fight are coercion and lockdown restrictions.

279619 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to guy153, 4, #409 of 2196 🔗

Cautiously welcomed. That’s a nice way of saying let’s just wait and see if those at the front of the queue suffer first. Then we might get back to the pub.

Here is a scenario. A young junior doctor is offered it. She has plans on starting a family soon. She asks will there be any possibility of side effects due to fertility or something that would make it a danger to fetal development?

They don’t know, how could they? I myself was offered drugs for my ulcerative colitis which would have meant no surgery but no kids. Its a known danger for many drugs.

“We are where we are” is not convincing given how we got here. Who are we expected to trust right now? Tell us.

279726 ▶▶▶ guy153, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 6, #410 of 2196 🔗

There’s a saying that the early bird catches the worm. But the second mouse gets the cheese.

The risk that this vaccine would cause infertility by accident is absolutely minimal as is the chance that it was designed to do that on purpose. But there’s no hurry at all for a young junior doctor to take it so she should just wait a few years.

The only thing you should ever trust is the facts. They are out there and I don’t see evidence of a massive conspiracy, just of the usual hamfisted propagandizing which is mostly pretty easy to spot.

279742 ▶▶▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to guy153, 5, #411 of 2196 🔗

There are multiple doses required. You’ll effectively be on meds. Do these experimental RNA vaccines have any impact at all on a developing featus?

We’ve no idea is that answer. How could we.

That junior doctor will being asked the same questions, which is why I chose that example. So in her professional role she will advise pyoung women to take it, but privately she’ll wait and see.

Sorry, that kind of two faced medical professional is a massive reason why we have got into this mess.

279764 ▶▶▶▶ Matt The Cat, replying to guy153, 3, #412 of 2196 🔗

“There’s a saying that the early bird catches the worm. But the second mouse gets the cheese.”

I *like* that!

279627 ▶▶ p02099003, replying to guy153, 2, #413 of 2196 🔗

But what symptoms? They are no different to a multitude of infections, they could be caused by SARS-CoV-2 but may not be, an RT-PCR test may show the presence of the virus but cannot determine whether you’re infected or infectious. The presence of mild symptoms such as fever would suggest that your immune system is fighting the virus, the initial response to any infection is an inflammatory one.

279633 ▶▶ Will, replying to guy153, 5, #414 of 2196 🔗

Brilliant post Guy 153. I won’t be rushing to have the vaccine because I really don’t need it. My kids certainly won’t be having it because they certainly don’t need it and my youngest has already suffered one catastrophic reaction to MMR which caused her autoimmune condition to become acute; that said, the JDM was always there and, if it hadn’t been the MMR the chances are it would have been something natural that set it off anyway.

279652 ▶▶ Tyneside Tigress, replying to guy153, 10, #415 of 2196 🔗

Guy, while I understand where you are coming from here, I think the fundamental issue is not the short-term side effects for the mRNA vaccines (Pfizer, Moderna), but potential long-term effects which are completely unknown. I am not aware that there has been any testing of pregnant animals in pre-clinical trials, nor indeed of animals that are then allowed to conceive having had the vaccine. I am less concerned about the long-term side effects in the adenovirus vaccines (Oxford/AZ, J&J), but more concerned about short-term potentially more serious adverse reactions. Given the ‘mistakes’ and lack of transparency in the Oxford/AZ phase I/II trials, I remain of the view that on a risk/reward basis, this is not a vaccine to take willingly unless and until more data and information is available.

280861 ▶▶▶ guy153, replying to Tyneside Tigress, #416 of 2196 🔗

Of course nobody can rule out long-term effects. But I don’t see any reason to think any of the vaccines would cause any particular issues with pregnancy or fertility so it isn’t something they’ve specifically tested for.

They all contain RNA (as do many actual viruses, including SARS2). The main difference is that the Pfizer and Moderna ones are basically just the RNA whereas AZ and J&J (and Sputnik) put the RNA inside an adenovirus.

Agree all that messing about with data on the AZ trial to try to get the efficacy higher was pretty dodgy. Until there is more data it is best to think of that vaccine as having an efficacy of 62%. Which is actually not bad but I think when everyone else came out with figures in the 90s they started FOMOing a bit.

279655 ▶▶ Jonathan Smith, replying to guy153, 7, #417 of 2196 🔗

Very cogently argued. We should concentrate on opposing lockdown and reinforcing the liberal principle of individual choice (until now accepted). Spot on. More of this razor logic please! Upvoted.

279661 ▶▶ Mark, replying to guy153, 5, #418 of 2196 🔗

You make a good case, as usual.

279709 ▶▶ Freecumbria, replying to guy153, 4, #419 of 2196 🔗

A good post which I’ve upvoted, although I’m not in the same place as you on this, albeit I’m not an expert. I certainly won’t be taking the Pfizer vaccine and have major concerns.

My general point would be that the immune system is a wonderfully complex part of the human body perhaps only second in complexity to the human brain. It’s been honed to near perfection by evolution although it perhaps can’t cope with some of the modern foods we put in our body which probably explains many auto-immune conditions.

But we mess with the immune system through a new technique such as messenger RNA at great risk. It may be safe but then there may be long term dangers and we just can’t anticipate what those dangers are over so short a time period, perhaps the dangers of taking the vaccine will be when the next coronavirus is encountered. Or perhaps something else will emerge. Unintended consequences are highly likely when we mess with a highly complex system like the immune system and we need at least 5 years to know if something like this is relatively safe.

And given the risk of covid-19 is so small for anybody who is not older and with significant co-morbidities, that balance of risk objectively heavily weights towards not taking the vaccine for most if not all.

But that said I agree that people should arguably be able to make informed decisions on whether to take the Pfizer vaccine. My concern would be, that even if there is completely free choice, are people going to be provided enough information about the risk of taking the vaccine vs the risk of not taking the vaccine to make an informed decision. And will they be pressurised by some weak and mainly emotional argument to ‘protect granny’.

I agree at least tactically that Michael Yeadon’s letter will sideline him a bit from the other excellent points he makes.

On ADE what I have read so far does suggest that this would normally show up on first encounter with the virus having taken the vaccine as you say.

But good post

280904 ▶▶▶ guy153, replying to Freecumbria, 1, #420 of 2196 🔗

Many actual viruses (including SARS2) have RNA in them anyway, which is why it’s something the immune system is very good at dealing with, and why they’re putting it in the vaccines. I don’t think there’s any particular reason to be worried about injecting people with naked RNA. It won’t do anything until it gets inside cells anyway and when it does it’s just like being infected by a virus, only one that can’t replicate.

We’re relying on the robustness of the immune system for the vaccines to work at all and we do also have to trust it not to backfire somehow with enhanced disease or dysfunctional cross-immunity to the next virus. But it’s evolved to be good at not doing that.

It’s unlikely any of the vaccines would be worse than an actual virus. But there’s (rightly) a higher ethical standard when it comes to deliberately injecting someone with something. This also applies when deciding whether to get the vaccine. Why have an unnecessary medical treatment that you probably don’t need?

279604 CGL, replying to CGL, 4, #421 of 2196 🔗

Wancock up next in talk radio – I just can’t so please report back someone braver than I.

279775 ▶▶ dhid, replying to CGL, #422 of 2196 🔗

It wasn’t good……

279606 James Leary #KBF, replying to James Leary #KBF, 2, #423 of 2196 🔗

So into which box are they going to put vaccine deaths, when they start coming? They MIGHT like to top up the ‘Died with Covid’ box, which is starting to look a bit empty, but that probably wouldn’t have good ‘optics’. In fact, anything with ‘vaccine’ and ‘death’ in the same sentence is probably a no-no. They’re good at twisting the English language, so expect something along the lines of:

“ The old Lie: Dulce et decorum est
Pro patria mori”

279612 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to James Leary #KBF, 1, #424 of 2196 🔗

They’ll be the 5% for which it just isn’t effective and will just reiterate the fact that we need to wear a mask forever. Anything over 5% will be unrelated to the vaccine, just bad luck.

279620 ▶▶ vargas99, replying to James Leary #KBF, 2, #425 of 2196 🔗

Since they will have a fragment of Covid RNA due to the vaccine – they’ll obviously have to go down as a Covid death, surely?

279607 Snake Oil Pussy, replying to Snake Oil Pussy, 7, #426 of 2196 🔗

Gandhi and his followers didn’t have the DBS to contend with. Going to court and prison in 2020 is a life sentence of unemployment, poverty and further crime.
Expect it to be mostly pensioners signing up to get arrested, as was the case at the Extinction Rebellion protests.

279621 ▶▶ Marialta, replying to Snake Oil Pussy, 3, #427 of 2196 🔗

So true. Not keen on the Ghandi idea either. We’ve already achieved a lot by writing to MPS and going mask-less, but more could be achieved by local actions, and publicity stunts. I’m going to help organise some Christmas carol singing outside shops (with a few choice lyric changes of course!)

279771 ▶▶ dhid, replying to Snake Oil Pussy, 1, #428 of 2196 🔗


Whilst I will not care about consequences for physically defending myself from any attempt to vaccinate me against my will, getting into the clutches of the legal system for passive protest would not be worth it, for all the reasons you have stated.

279609 BeBopRockSteady, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 5, #429 of 2196 🔗

Former CSO for Pfzier airs doubts about efficacy and safety of Pfzier Vaccine rushed out in a panic and in a too big to fail economic environment.

Many many people I know: “I’ll be first in the queue. We’ll finally be able to get back to normal”

On another note, Adapnation.io had this excellent visual on co morbidities and Covid this morning.

279689 ▶▶ PoshPanic, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 4, #430 of 2196 🔗

So in the sub 65 age group, influenza was the most common comorbidity? hmm

279614 Danny, replying to Danny, 9, #431 of 2196 🔗

So what can we do now?
Vaccine will be all but mandatory in that without it we will essentially be punished and have to stay in lockdown, I’m guessing proof will be needed for travel, restaurants, hotels, leisure centres, cinemas and theatre, possibly NHS and dental.
So those of us against the lockdown since day one will be the only ones locked down.
Or, we could inject ourselves with a potentially dangerous, long term untested and rushed due to economic reasons drug, to protect us from a virus with 99.7% survival rate and a mortality age above that of the national average for old age?
What do we do?

279628 ▶▶ Bill h, replying to Danny, 16, #432 of 2196 🔗

Wait and see what happens.

Continue to point out the madness, and resist generally.

Don’t try to jump up the queue for vaccination.


279644 ▶▶ Mabel Cow, replying to Danny, 13, #433 of 2196 🔗

Just make sure you’re at the back of the queue.

  • If the vaccine is a wrong ‘un, it will be withdrawn before the needle reaches you.
  • If it turns out not to be dangerous, lots of people will have done the risking testing on your behalf.

Of course, this strategy depends on whether the adverse effects are reported as such, and not just labelled as COVID-20.

279656 ▶▶▶ bluemoon, replying to Mabel Cow, 3, #434 of 2196 🔗

Well exactly, are we going to hear about adverse reactions?

279672 ▶▶▶ Tyneside Tigress, replying to Mabel Cow, 3, #435 of 2196 🔗

Agree with that Mabel. It took several years for the Pandemrix issue to emerge in the public domain. This time, however, it is the social media age, and a mass vaccination programme starting with frontline health workers. If and when problems emerge, it will be in the open pretty quickly.

279674 ▶▶▶ Danny, replying to Mabel Cow, 8, #436 of 2196 🔗

Good idea to wait it out. The only problem is my concern about long term effects. I don’t hold with the conspiracy theories about mass sterilisation etc, as most scientists working in labs are essentially well meaning.
However, that doesn’t mean that there will be no side effects. Long term, we just don’t know.
Now if the Black Death was laying waste to the world, killing us all, then we would see that as a risk worth taking. But moving from a position of health, to an unknown is madness.
If for example it became known in a years time that this causes birth defects, we are talking about millions of people, a life changing crisis.
So then politicians can say what…. sorry?

279696 ▶▶▶▶ PastImperfect, replying to Danny, 1, #437 of 2196 🔗

Mike Yeadon and Dr Wolfgang Wodarg – see extract in main section above

– The vaccinations are expected to produce antibodies against spike proteins of SARS-CoV-2. However, spike proteins also contain syncytin-homologous proteins, which are essential for the formation of the placenta in mammals such as humans. It must be ruled out that a vaccine against SARS-CoV-2 could trigger an immune reaction against syncytin-1, as it may otherwise result in infertility of indefinite duration in vaccinated women.

279710 ▶▶▶▶ Mabel Cow, replying to Danny, 3, #438 of 2196 🔗

With Thalidomide , the distributor of the drug was financially penalised and the government chucked in £20m.

I expect that this time it will all be coming out of our pockets and the twats responsible will do a Blair .

279794 ▶▶▶▶ Stephanos, replying to Danny, 4, #439 of 2196 🔗

I know bubonic plague (black death) is really deadly but do remember that while one-third of the population of mediaeval Europe died, two-thirds did not. And it did die out, not completely; it did reappear from time to time.
A vaccine or drug for such a killer is worthwhile but for COVID-19? I don’t think so.

279653 ▶▶ dhid, replying to Danny, 21, #440 of 2196 🔗

I am now past caring about the consequences to me for refusing it.

If I end up in the legal system for the first time in my life at the age of 60, for physically harming anyone who tries to vaccinate me, then so be it.

I am now genuinely past caring.

279675 ▶▶▶ Tyneside Tigress, replying to dhid, 11, #441 of 2196 🔗

Mr TT (age 57) just said the same. Our objective is to keep our kids safe, nothing more nothing less.

279704 ▶▶▶▶ dhid, replying to Tyneside Tigress, 13, #442 of 2196 🔗

I thought there would be others on here who feel the same.
Thank God!

I am frankly bewildered at what is going on now, this whole think stinks to the rafters. How much is pure greed and what is sheer stupidity or more sinister, I genuinely don’t know anymore.

I had a dreadful nights sleep last night with the most bizarre dreams about all this.

Sorry, just unloading a bit!

279766 ▶▶▶▶▶ William Hand, replying to dhid, 3, #443 of 2196 🔗

Seriously not worth losing sleep over. Just say NO. I suspect this is what it has been about all along. Many will make a real stash out of mass vaccination programmes.

279801 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ dhid, replying to William Hand, 5, #444 of 2196 🔗

Oh I will be saying no, with whatever emphasis that requires, verbal or physical.

I try to occupy myself with other things and a couple of glasses of vino to relax before the land of nod, but I think yesterday I was just seriously pissed off with the result of the vote. Not surprising I know.

I think that the lack of responsibility for any damage by the “providers” of these “wonderful” vaccines is testament to the likely stash that will be accumulated with alacrity by those making them.

279921 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Ceriain, replying to dhid, 4, #445 of 2196 🔗

Going to reply to all of your posts above in one go… because I can. 😉

I am now past caring about the consequences to me for refusing it.

Likewise. No way I’m taking this, and I’m in the clinically extremely vulnerable group (according to the letter Handjob sent me).

I thought there would be others on here who feel the same.

Not only here; there are many others out there.

willhand outs it best when he says:

Seriously not worth losing sleep over. Just say NO.

Couldn’t have put it better myself, will. 🙂

279741 ▶▶▶ Sam Vimes, replying to dhid, 7, #446 of 2196 🔗

They will need to vaccinate me, pin a yellow star on me and tattoo my wrist all at the same time. Oh, and get their fucking broken nose seen to.

279808 ▶▶▶▶ dhid, replying to Sam Vimes, 4, #447 of 2196 🔗

But the NHS might be overwhelmed………with broken noses that is…….

279761 ▶▶▶ William Hand, replying to dhid, 4, #448 of 2196 🔗

I will just duck. I live in a remote part of Dartmoor. Poor mobile signal. Post is by stagecoach.

280196 ▶▶▶ Mutineer, replying to dhid, #449 of 2196 🔗

Me, too. I’ve even gone as far as having a suicide pact with my husband. I’d rather be dead than detained and forcibly vaccinated. Not a world I would want to live in, quite frankly.

280363 ▶▶▶▶ JanMasarykMunich, replying to Mutineer, 3, #450 of 2196 🔗

Please don’t do that. We need all the decent people we can get to fight back against this madness.
I totally agree with you about not wanting to live in such a world, but that is why we must fight it, and keep fighting it, for as long as it takes.

280619 ▶▶▶▶▶ Mutineer, replying to JanMasarykMunich, 3, #451 of 2196 🔗

I shall fight till the bitter end but, if life becomes too miserable I won’t hesitate. I despise what this world has become. I watched a programme about the Nuremberg trials last night and the parallels with Nazi Germany of the 1930’s is clear

279714 ▶▶ mhcp, replying to Danny, 6, #452 of 2196 🔗

In the consulation process the government set up I pointed out that rushing things through and indemnifying companies sets a precedent for all other safety critical industries. Why should food safety guidelines be followed to the letter now if a vaccine can be rushed to production and deployment?

Why should aeroplane and car companies spend many years testing new products if you can just rush things through with cursory testing?

Because you can’t have a two-tier system of safety

279720 ▶▶ calchas, replying to Danny, 7, #453 of 2196 🔗

We grit our teeth and hang on for as long as humanly possible, without taking it.

The longer we can hang on, the likelier it is that truth comes out, either that the vaccine is dangerous, or that it is a harmless dud.

This will be the most analysed vaccine in history. There is no way to keep it hidden from curious and sceptical eyes.

279800 ▶▶ Achilles, replying to Danny, 1, #454 of 2196 🔗

I suppose it depends on how “mandatory ” it is. Some people must by definition be exempt on medical grounds so they will have to make an allowance for that, as well as the time taken to actually vaccinate everyone. So I think avoidance as long as possible. If you’re allergic to the vaccine you can’t be forced to take it can you? I see exemption certificates as a likely get out.

280365 ▶▶ Edward, replying to Danny, #455 of 2196 🔗

I share your concerns about proof of vaccination possibly being required to do things and go places, but I think it would be weakly enforced, as with the mask mandate. There would be pockets of stronger enforcement which would be troublesome for us sceptics.

I am not against vaccination in principle, but in this case I would want to wait as long as possible, at least two years, to form my own evidence-based views as to the likelihood of unpleasant or dangerous side effects.

280672 ▶▶▶ Spikedee1, replying to Edward, #456 of 2196 🔗

They will not mandate the taking of the vaccine. BUT you can’t fly with us as you don’t have a stamp, you can’t come into this holiday hotel without your certificate. You can’t cruise with us, you can’t see a live band as the venue demands the proof of vax. Oh and you are not well, sorry your doctor can’t see you now. But its not mandatory.

279622 Dan Clarke, replying to Dan Clarke, 3, #457 of 2196 🔗

JHB telling Hancock that people including her, are really excited about this

279643 ▶▶ stefarm, replying to Dan Clarke, 9, #458 of 2196 🔗

I don’t trust JHB. She needs to pick a side

279681 ▶▶▶ dhid, replying to stefarm, 3, #459 of 2196 🔗

As I said in another comment I am very disappointed with her!
She’s definitely suspect now.

279688 ▶▶▶ Mark, replying to stefarm, 3, #460 of 2196 🔗

Dodgy conflating anti-lockdown with anti-vaccination. The two are not necessarily the same, for many, probably most people on the sceptic side.

281202 ▶▶▶▶ Borisbullshit, replying to Mark, #461 of 2196 🔗

I don’t trust her either…I dont like her haughty attitude to lockdown sceptics and she loves to emphasis how she was not one and loved the first lockdown…..all that time spent with her daughter etc.She is just a classic smug london metro liberal who goes to all the same dinner parties.

279725 ▶▶ Hieronimusb, replying to Dan Clarke, 9, #462 of 2196 🔗

Substantive confrontation between journalists and politicians has been a dog and pony show for decades; all interviews are compromised by prior agreement. I know this from a friend who worked with Brian Walden back in the late 80s and early 90s: he was never allowed to ask the really difficult and damagingly robust questions, they were simply vetoed beforehand by Govt handlers leading to highly animated arguments in the studio prior to an interview taking place. If it was like that then, one can imagine how it is now! Political journalism is fundamentally emasculated, its teeth were drawn long ago. JHB knows that to push ‘too far’ in the face of these controls is career suicide. Until the fourth estate breaks out of the prison constructed for it by entrenched political ideologues, nothing will change on that score. ‘Etiquette’ is more important than forcing reluctant pols to answer difficult questions, you’ve got to go along to get along etc.

279623 G.Fawkes, replying to G.Fawkes, 20, #463 of 2196 🔗

British Army Deployed To Handle “Anti-Vaccine Propaganda” And Protests

Wow, a vaccine so fantastic it requires a military grade marketing campaign!

279684 ▶▶ mattghg, replying to G.Fawkes, 5, #464 of 2196 🔗

This puts me in mind of a footnote in the Army’s internal report on Operation Banner:

At the time [1970] it was normal to refer to enemy or adversary information operations as ‘propaganda’, whilst referring to those of the security forces as part of an ‘information campaign’. This publication uses the term ‘information operation(s)’ throughout.

279813 ▶▶ Darryl, replying to G.Fawkes, 3, #465 of 2196 🔗

The Establishment must really hate protestors shouting ‘freedom’, I have yet to see any of the so called ‘anti vaccine propaganda or protests’ they talk about. Maybe not wanting to be front of the queue counts as anti vaccine?

279624 GuyRich, 10, #466 of 2196 🔗

In light of the absolutely terrific news that the Pfizer/BioNtech vaccine has been given MHRA (who are fiercely independent don’t you know) approval, I think the following point by Yeadon/Wodarg is timely:

– The vaccinations are expected to produce antibodies against spike proteins of SARS-CoV-2. However, spike proteins also contain syncytin-homologous proteins, which are essential for the formation of the placenta in mammals such as humans. It must be ruled out that a vaccine against SARS-CoV-2 could trigger an immune reaction against syncytin-1, as it may otherwise result in infertility of indefinite duration in vaccinated women.

Maybe those crazy conspiracy theorists who claimed that this is a depopulation agenda (through sterilisation) had a point? I’m not sure who is more excited, me, or Julia Heartly-Brewer. She practically frigged herself on TalkRadio this morning!

279630 Biker, 9, #467 of 2196 🔗

Talk Radio promoting the vaccine, just like every other media outlet. It’s all about the goo they want to inject into you. All this bollocks in Parliament is just covering fire. Looking at the picture of Boris, that doesn’t look like a man just concerned with a loss of business, no sir, he looks to me like a man who knows what’s in the goo they want to inject into you and it’s not good.

279636 alw, 2, #468 of 2196 🔗

“Exclusive: NHS ready to provide Covid vaccine within days after Pfizer jab approvedArmed Forces called in to set up 10 hubs as Pfizer vaccine given green light by UK authorities”

When I first saw this headline in the Telegraph no comments were allowed but this has subsequently been changed. I posted a comment on the letters page which they seem to have removed… Censorship! Quelle surprise.

What I said was that the vaccination hubs are being set up in places with either no or poor transport links. Epsom racecourse has no public transport links and the Excel centre in South East London…Nightingale hospital has poor links due to the public transport system being halfcocked. Furthermore those who wish to be guinea pigs for a poorly tested vaccine will have difficulty accessing these hubs. More magic money tree money which we the taxpayer will have to stump up for. I can’t see many flocking to these hubs.

279641 dhid, replying to dhid, 12, #469 of 2196 🔗

JHBs pathetic sniveling interview with Wankcock on Talk Radio just now has seriously reduced my opinion of her.

VERY disappointed.

Edit – actually quite depressed about it.

279651 ▶▶ Dan Clarke, replying to dhid, 3, #470 of 2196 🔗

Very, all of her ranting about losing controls, what did she think it was leading to?

279671 ▶▶▶ dhid, replying to Dan Clarke, 3, #471 of 2196 🔗


She seems to think she would be happy to have this potential crap, which has to be stored at -70 C. for Gods sake – how stupid.

Wankcock seemed slightly hesitant (as he wasn’t in the most vulnerable group FFS!) but grudgingly said he would if it helped. A syringe of saline I imagine for the BBC cameras.

I wonder how much the “approval” cost?……..

279722 ▶▶ Wolver, replying to dhid, 5, #472 of 2196 🔗

Not too surprising she’s been advocating a vaccine as a way out for a long time now. I am disappointed she didn’t challenge him on long term side effects and who pays comp for adverse side effects.

281213 ▶▶▶ Borisbullshit, replying to Wolver, #473 of 2196 🔗

She is classic ‘controlled opposition’ and utterly unreliable.

279649 alw, 6, #474 of 2196 🔗

Beware the tyranny of a forced vaccination”

Excellent from Karen Harrandine in Conservative Woman.


279660 Two-Six, replying to Two-Six, 7, #475 of 2196 🔗

Morning, I wonder if:
“The mRNA vaccines from BioNTech/Pfizer contain polyethylene glycol (PEG). 70% of people develop antibodies against this substance. This means that many people can develop allergic, potentially fatal reactions to the vaccination.”

This is/was causing those early reports of young people who vaped “e cigarettes” dying and had “ground glass” in their lungs on X-Ray imaging.
Nearly all eliquid contains up to 50% (more usually 20-30%) of Propylene glycol.

When I started vaping, perhaps more than I should as I was trying to get over actual smoking I developed severe asthma after a few months. Perhaps this was because I was working a lot with Balsa wood at the time building a remote controlled glider. It might have been an allergic reaction to the Propylene Glycol.

A few more months down the line the asthma got better as I stopped doing the plane building. I also stopped hitting the vape so much…hummm

A few more months later I developed a horrible “Itchiness” a sort of all over crawling of the skins not surface itchiness it was almost like hives. It would flare up suddenly often in supermarkets when I got near the detergent isles. Very nasty.

My money was on shit in washing detergents that I was allergic to. I stopped using perfumed detergents and other products with additives in them and also cut out the PG in my vape liquids. The nasty itchiness thing went away after about a year. I still get it a bit if I hit the vape too hard and I now make my eliquid to about 30% PG/70%VG (Vegetable Glycerine) but just on my arms…strangely enough…..

Anyway. With all this in mind, I really really don’t want to be INJECTED with PEG. I think in my case it really could lead to some bad outcomes and catching covids is the least of my worries if I am as I think I am very sensitive to PG which is a very similar compound.

279700 ▶▶ mhcp, replying to Two-Six, 1, #476 of 2196 🔗

With regards to the itchiness, last year I had very bad contact dermatitis over my arms and back. It went on for about 5 months. It looked like prickly skin gone bad, but the wife started to get it. This was a serious rash that looked like I had burned myself on the arms.

We switched detergents to eco stuff and it went away.

I have eczema from childhood and that comes and goes in little patches. This thing was a full on assault on my skin.

If it was PEG then a vaccine would cause major issues.

279844 ▶▶▶ Two-Six, replying to mhcp, 1, #477 of 2196 🔗

Yes my money is on shit in detergents, especially the cheap one you get in Aldi, I am sure it is made in the Ukraine from the scrapings of the Chernobly plant. I did get really bad skin on my legs in particular where my socks went and my skin in general would be like a little snowstorm if I rubbed it…. Really bad. Thats all gone now too.

279734 ▶▶ dhid, replying to Two-Six, #478 of 2196 🔗

“It might have been an allergic reaction to the Propylene Glycol.
A few more months down the line the asthma got better as I stopped doing the plane building. I also stopped hitting the vape so much…hummm”

I’m no expert, but I don’t think you should be vaping Propylene Glycol.

But as you are a self confessed expert on the effects of smoking weed, apparently, you might know better about these things.

Just IMO of course.

Hope you won’t scold me for having that opinion.

279839 ▶▶▶ Two-Six, replying to dhid, #479 of 2196 🔗

I think you should de-platform yourself immediately

279735 ▶▶ G.Fawkes, replying to Two-Six, #480 of 2196 🔗

Glycols are used in toothpaste, soaps, skin care products, medicines and are very low irritant. They are used everywhere, you’ve probably been in contact with PEG already today. I’d be less concerned about glycols than the gene therapy mRNA mechanism of these new vaccines. Perhaps it was the nicotine base in the vape that caused your problems, being the the most obvious and damaging toxic agent in vape juice.

279747 ▶▶▶ dhid, replying to G.Fawkes, 2, #481 of 2196 🔗

I did wonder if Two-Six might have been smoking the Balsa wood?

From some previous posts it’s not too clear what may, or may not have been tried…..

Might have been licking the glue perhaps….

279821 ▶▶▶▶ Two-Six, replying to dhid, 3, #482 of 2196 🔗

lol. It doesn’t work.

279832 ▶▶▶ Two-Six, replying to G.Fawkes, 2, #483 of 2196 🔗

Yes could well be the nicotine. Its easy to over dose on it. This was particularly bad when I use the NHS approved nicotine replacement therapies especially the little nicotine inhaler things. All over itchiness was a sure fire side effect. The dose these things give is huge. The patches are even worse.

Re the PEG, yes its used in lots of things but I guess if you vape it in large quantities then a person could well get hyper sensitive to it. In fact its not unknown for people to get hive like allergies from it.

The new untested mRNA technology is beyond scary.

279971 ▶▶▶▶ G.Fawkes, replying to Two-Six, 1, #484 of 2196 🔗

I know from personal experience that I used to feel pretty sick from chain vaping, and when I tinkered with the nicotine level it became less of an issue. I wasn’t aware of the hives issue, but it must be rare, given how widespread use of glycols are. But yes, it pales in comparison to the mRNA function of the vaccine.

You’re right about the NHS replacement stuff, it’s pretty bad. And the backlash against vaping that the manufacturers of those products created was a thing to behold, wasn’t it? I remember reading a story floated in some local rag about an exploding battery in a vape pen blowing all of the windows out in a house. Hysterical nonsense.

At least it gave them plenty of practice in writing utter shit for the this Covid episode.

280850 ▶▶▶▶▶ Two-Six, replying to G.Fawkes, #485 of 2196 🔗

yep the anti vaping lobby are insane. The new TPD rules for vaping are insane. Just as insane as covid bollocks, just not nearly so evil.

280229 ▶▶ annie, replying to Two-Six, 1, #486 of 2196 🔗

The first death from an intense allergic reaction will be the end of the vaccination programme.
Not that I’m hoping for anyone to suffer such a death. But it doesn’t seem all that unlikely. We’re not talking peanuts here.
Or are we?

279664 Banjones, replying to Banjones, 6, #487 of 2196 🔗

If Boris knew that he was about to announce what is effectively the end of civilisation as we understood it, he could at least smarten himself up a bit, get a haircut and wear a Savile Row suit (after all, he takes enough of our money). Not exactly a credit to us on the world stage, is he?
Sky News Australia has his measure anyway.

279753 ▶▶ arfurmo, replying to Banjones, 2, #488 of 2196 🔗

He looks ill -I don’t say that as a dig at him but as a fact.

279786 ▶▶▶ Achilles, replying to arfurmo, 3, #489 of 2196 🔗

It’s the physical manifestation of his corrupted soul. Assuming he has a soul of course.

279913 ▶▶▶▶ IanE, replying to Achilles, 2, #490 of 2196 🔗

Yep – reverse Dorian Grey effect!

279922 ▶▶▶ G.Fawkes, replying to arfurmo, 1, #491 of 2196 🔗

Don’t get your hopes up, Soros has looked like a corpse for decades.

280194 ▶▶▶▶ Bella Donna, replying to G.Fawkes, 1, #492 of 2196 🔗

🤣 🤣 🤣 One of the walking dead.

279668 GCarty80, replying to GCarty80, 7, #493 of 2196 🔗

How many of the Labour No votes were “extend the full lockdown” rather than “the tiers are too restrictive”?

I’m sure that is the case for Richard Burgon and Zarah Sultana at least, as their Twitter profiles indicate that they are zero-Covid hardliners.

279685 ▶▶ Ed Phillips, replying to GCarty80, #494 of 2196 🔗

Mary Foy too.

279698 ▶▶▶ GCarty80, replying to Ed Phillips, 1, #495 of 2196 🔗

Reading her explanation for her vote , it seems her motivation was more to with with insufficient financial support than to do with a belief that the full lockdown should be extended.

279723 ▶▶▶▶ Ed Phillips, replying to GCarty80, 1, #496 of 2196 🔗

She at least seems to be acknowledging the harms lockdowns do. Perhaps my letters did something to jog her along that direction.

279670 Country Mumkin, replying to Country Mumkin, 7, #497 of 2196 🔗

BBC R4 Reith Lectures 9am today with Mark Carney. My word. This is a MUST LISTEN for anyone interested in the brainwashing related to Covid, climate and financial “crises”. And potentially how this is a platform for the messaging/propaganda going forward!

Corrosion of moral to market sentiments. I mean it’s true really, but it’s laying the foundation (IMO) for shaming borrowing, profits. labelling value ie pricing.

So, let me think now, we should probably be working for free and get only what we need and I guess not own a property as that means borrowing. Where have I heard that before?!

This is a good reason to listen to BBC you can identify how the propaganda starts! And where it comes from…

279697 ▶▶ Country Mumkin, replying to Country Mumkin, 3, #498 of 2196 🔗

Listen for Camilla Cavendish’s question. She’s concerned about the short electoral cycles of democratic societies and thinks the authoritarian societies achieves things better like net zero.

Carney mentioning important Technocratic decisions governments should make.

I’m going to listen again and reflect.

It really is a MUST LISTEN!

279798 ▶▶ Jonathan Palmer, replying to Country Mumkin, #499 of 2196 🔗

Carney is reported as saying if businesses don’t conform to the zero carbon future they will go bankrupt.

279909 ▶▶▶ Two-Six, replying to Jonathan Palmer, #500 of 2196 🔗

He is quoted as saying that business that are not sustainable “will be punished” no less….

280007 ▶▶▶▶ Country Mumkin, replying to Two-Six, #501 of 2196 🔗

This is an absolute eye opener. I’ve even got my husband to listen to it and he is now recognising the signs! Here for easy access….

280387 ▶▶▶▶▶ Nigel Sherratt, replying to Country Mumkin, #502 of 2196 🔗

A ‘Great Resetter’ married to an eco nut, not even trying to hide it.

279673 Cecil B, replying to Cecil B, #503 of 2196 🔗

How do I import a photograph into the comments section?

279683 ▶▶ Mark, replying to Cecil B, #504 of 2196 🔗

If you are logged in there will be a little scenery icon bottom right of your posting box, to import an image.

279707 ▶▶ kh1485, replying to Cecil B, 1, #505 of 2196 🔗

Log in and click on the small picture icon in the bottom right hand corner of the comments box.

279814 ▶▶▶ kh1485, replying to kh1485, #506 of 2196 🔗

Apologies for the duplication – when I posted, Mark’s post wasn’t there …

279914 ▶▶ Two-Six, replying to Cecil B, #507 of 2196 🔗

or you can copy the images location (if its on another web site) and paste in in the chat section and it will appear

279678 calchas, replying to calchas, 6, #508 of 2196 🔗

Thanks for the update.

I am very sceptical about the Wuhan leaks referred to in the update.

Take the following :

Allegedly , a new respiratory disease is already spreading in Wuhan in mid-November, reaching (according to the leaks) 20 times the normal level.

No restrictions implemented on travel etc between Wuhan and the rest of China until mid-January.

90 % of alleged covid deaths in China are in Wuhan and environs – about 4500 people,

Is it credible that a respiratory disease of this alleged infectiousness could kill so many people in the Wuhan area and only a couple of hundred people in the rest of China, although for six weeks there were no restrictions on travell?

Wuhan has a population of 10 million. Shanghai has a population of 24 million. Are we supposed to believe the official total of covid deaths in Shanghai – 7 people. Seven!

Now sme people will say that that’s because the Chinese are covering up deaths in the rest of the country. I don’t think that’s true.

Firstly, you can’t hide a pandemic.

Secondly, in the six week period before travel restrictions were implemented, millions of Chinese tourists visited Macao and Cambodia and yet these two have recorded not a single death from Covid.

Simply not credible.

Look at this news story from 2019:


Protests in Wuhan over air pollution concerns.

Take a look at the picture of Wuhan in the following article from 2018.

https://e360.yale.edu/features/how-a-toxic-cocktail-is-posing-a-troubling-health-risk-in-chinese-cities .

Wuhan is particularly affected because it is a very large industrialized city, where in winter especialy, the air gets trapped between the surrounding hills.

If you are a doctor in Wuhan, why would you start looking for a new virus, when suddenly in Winter you start seeing more patients with respiratory problems?


Possibly, because you know that local politicians don’t want to hear about any more pollution problems.

At any rate, any doctor in Wuhan suddenly confronted by a wave of respiratory problems, might first take a look at the air quality.

I think there is an overwhelming likelihood that the deaths in Wuhan and environs were caused by pollution.

Do you remember those pictures from Wuhan of people on the street suddenly keeling over. You know, the pictures that worried so many people.

Do you not think that is more consistent with air pollution?

After all, people haven’t keeled over anywhere else.

I would further speculate that China confronted by a glut of production, and consequent falling goods prices, towards the end of 2019, decided to close its economy for several weeks.

279744 ▶▶ PoshPanic, replying to calchas, 1, #509 of 2196 🔗

Lombardy had a history of illness caused by poor air quality. If you’ve ever travelled around the northern planes in winter, it’s easy to see why. Madrid too, sitting in a basin.

I’m also not convinced by the Wuhan lab escape theory either, even though there’s some interesting evidence. I seem to remember Wolfgang Wodarg, back in March suggesting that this virus was already widespread around the world, but only first becoming detected in China, because there are only a few places around the world that would likely have the expertise to detect it.

279682 Quernus, replying to Quernus, 8, #510 of 2196 🔗

I received an email from ATG Tickets inviting me to take part in a survey. I told them in no uncertain terms that I would not be returning to the theatre until all covid 19 measures are reversed. You might want to do the same. https://www.surveymonkey.co.uk/r/DW6JLGG

We know you are being overwhelmed with news about Covid-19 at the moment, and the Ambassador Theatre Group are committed to navigating these times responsibly.

So, we’d like to invite you to take a moment to fill out this short survey to help us prepare for when we can bring live theatre back to our communities.

279703 ▶▶ CivilianNotCovidian, replying to Quernus, 5, #511 of 2196 🔗

Thanks. That was fun! I did the same. Told them I would never go back while this nonsense was in force…

279716 ▶▶▶ steph, replying to CivilianNotCovidian, 4, #512 of 2196 🔗

Just done the same. I’m sure the majority are saying the opposite though and want all sort of safety measure.

279715 ▶▶ TheOriginalBlackPudding, replying to Quernus, 6, #513 of 2196 🔗

Thanks for the link. That’s brightened a grey Lancashire morning.

They just got both barrels from me.
I pointed out that they can choose to stand up to government diktat, and we have the power to end them by refusing to buy tickets. I told them I shan’t be back until the only masks are where they belong on stage.

279751 ▶▶▶ arfurmo, replying to TheOriginalBlackPudding, 2, #514 of 2196 🔗

Me too

279804 ▶▶ thinkaboutit, replying to Quernus, 1, #515 of 2196 🔗


279911 ▶▶ Lydia, replying to Quernus, 1, #516 of 2196 🔗


280182 ▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to Quernus, 2, #517 of 2196 🔗

Thanks for that. I mentioned that I will be boycotting until this nonsense is over and my wish that they grow a backbone and fight back.

279687 kf99, replying to kf99, 4, #518 of 2196 🔗

That Netherlands mask news is depressing. Even more so is the BBC report on it.”why did it take so long?” she screams. The way she puts in withering quotes the idea that they were trying to follow the science in holding out.

279721 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to kf99, 4, #519 of 2196 🔗

No! There was a post here over the weekend saying they may have been considering the other route and giving them a wide bearth. Awful news

279750 ▶▶▶ leggy, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 2, #520 of 2196 🔗

I remember it well:

From the weekly meeting of the council of ministers it has been leaked that next Tuesday, December 1, the cabinet will announce the already determined decision that the behavioral experiment on the urgent advice on wearing a mouth cap will NOT be converted into an obligation, but that this advice will be lifted correctly. Feel free to take off your mouth cap and safely store it in the garbage bucket.
The cabinet has concluded that the experiment regarding wearing face masks has failed and has agreed to the enormous increase in objections to this experiment in society regarding this urgent advice and imminent obligation.
Because this news won’t be officially revealed until Tuesday, there will be no announcement about this in today’s press conference.”
Waiting for this good decision!

279737 ▶▶ arfurmo, replying to kf99, 8, #521 of 2196 🔗

Complaint sent “I object to the bias in “Why has it taken so long?”. There are pelnty of studies to say that masks are ineffective. The BBC should not be taking the stance that masks work. That can be left to other media “.

279931 ▶▶ Two-Six, replying to kf99, 1, #522 of 2196 🔗

Very depressing indeed.

280713 ▶▶ Ben, replying to kf99, 3, #523 of 2196 🔗

Glad I don’t have a television. Not a single penny to the BBC. Defund them

280715 ▶▶▶ John P, replying to Ben, 1, #524 of 2196 🔗

Instructions on how to cancel your licence fee legally here:


280723 ▶▶ John P, replying to kf99, 1, #525 of 2196 🔗

Well, I agree, but that is the Netherlands not here and the BBC is discredited.

I won’t wear a mask for anyone and they can’t get inside my house to check.

279691 Cecil B, replying to Cecil B, 14, #526 of 2196 🔗

I am not a scientist, but I am thinking of conducting an experiment and would welcome feedback from any of you who are

My experiment

1 Isolate a group of people for nine months in order to disrupt the normal function of their immune systems

2 After nine months inject the group with a deadly virus

My mate said good luck with that one, don’t know what he meant by that

(Then again he’s not an expert)

279702 ▶▶ steph, replying to Cecil B, 8, #527 of 2196 🔗

I truly believe that the vaccine affords some protection and is probably safe. But in view of the fact this is not an Ebola like disease in severity, I need the vaccine to afford nearly 100% immunity and to have been tested for years. That’s my personal health cost benefit analysts.

279732 ▶▶▶ calchas, replying to steph, 9, #528 of 2196 🔗

I would like to know what the disease is, against which the vaccine is supposed to protect.

Look at Germany for example. A country with a good health system, including comfortable ICU numbers.

Well over a million ‘cases’ now, but the all-cause mortality level hasn’t budged from previous years.

Those ‘cases’ whatever they are, are having no impact on deaths.They are leaving no statistical trail in the mortality data.


279846 ▶▶▶ Steve Hayes, replying to steph, 3, #529 of 2196 🔗

On what evidence do you reach the judgement that the vaccine is probably safe?

279718 ▶▶ dhid, replying to Cecil B, 6, #530 of 2196 🔗

Lol – you’ll never be allowed to do that!

Oh wait!….Umm…….Now what are we supposed to do now?
Did someone mention I can’t have a pint without a vaccinated Scotch egg or something?


279760 ▶▶ penelope pitstop, replying to Cecil B, 10, #531 of 2196 🔗

I’d like to run an experiment where a partitioned area of say 1 million people carried on with life absolutely normal and see what happens.

279820 ▶▶▶ dhid, replying to penelope pitstop, 4, #532 of 2196 🔗

I think a bigger sample would be better, closer to 70 million perhaps.

279692 steph, replying to steph, 14, #533 of 2196 🔗

Just been to my local surgery for a routine screening appointment. I’m very rarely in there as I’m luckily very healthy and choose to be as independent as I can regarding my health care.
First the positives – I normally just have my lanyard in my bag but I thought as a concession I’d wear it. I had to point it out to the door monitor and from that moment onwards nothing else was said. Appt carried out on time and in a friendly manner. No enforced hand sanitising or temperature taking.
However, it’s a dystopian hell in there of taped off areas, perspex screens and locked doors. One nurse nearly bumped into me not looking and rapidly retreated to pull up her mask, which had not been on correctly, in the face of the unmasked hazard that is I.

279699 ▶▶ Cecil B, replying to steph, 9, #534 of 2196 🔗

I’d rather die than ask a nurse or doctor for help

280011 ▶▶ Alan P, replying to steph, 7, #535 of 2196 🔗

Not like my experience yesterday at an eye screening. I was refused treatment despite showing an exemption, as the optometrist was “shielding”. I was even quizzed on my reasons for not wearing a mask and told that it was not accepted.

FU NHS! 40 years plus of contributing to a bloated, overpaid and bunch of narcissistic, supercilious, hysterical Karen-type creatures; only to be refused treatment. They can go hange themselves. I hope the vaccine is trialled on them all first.

279711 BeBopRockSteady, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 9, #536 of 2196 🔗

Sheer insanity. In the whole chain of this there must be not a single sceptic. Scary.

“First, a staff member tested positive over half-term, forcing a few others to self-isolate. Then a few days later another member of the team tested positive.

But there was no traceable connection to other positive cases, so public health authorities said all the staff at the small village school – which has open-plan teaching spaces – needed to be tested.

That eventually uncovered another three asymptomatic cases. By that point so many staff had to self-isolate that the school was forced to close for a week.

They reopened this week, only for a pupil to test positive, meaning two year groups and five members of staff were sent home.”


279728 ▶▶ leggy, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 3, #537 of 2196 🔗


279748 ▶▶ Danny, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 10, #538 of 2196 🔗

Replace Covid with the word “witch” and we are livings through a kindness of Salem hysteria. Track and trace would have been loved by Matthew Hopkins.

279866 ▶▶▶ Waldorf, replying to Danny, #539 of 2196 🔗

2022 will be like this if this nonsense goes on…
“They refused the vaccine. They must hang.”

279724 c s, 1, #540 of 2196 🔗

Does anyone have a link/copy of a letter they sent to their local MP if they voted for the restrictions to continue? I would like to send something today (Robert Halfon is my local MP) and seem to recall someone posting their text previously. Unfortunately I cant find it now. TIA

279738 mjr, replying to mjr, 7, #541 of 2196 🔗

just watched “the Falklands Play” – on BB4 last night. Basically follows the government actions in the lead up to the Falklands war. Excellent drama and worth a watch

Then when you have watched it, just imagine the current government in place of Thatcher’s government and think of what would have happened.

We would all be speaking spanish by now. regardless of what you might think of Thatcher, it will put current farce and lack of coherent leadership into perspective

279754 ▶▶ leggy, replying to mjr, 3, #542 of 2196 🔗

Thanks, I’ll look that up. Been considering that the Falklands might be a sane place to move to and escape the world!

279780 ▶▶ Mark, replying to mjr, #543 of 2196 🔗

“We were facing a potential diplomatic and military disaster. Something had to be done. We couldn’t put national sovereignty and pride ahead of lives. If surrendering saved one life, it had to be done.”

279787 ▶▶▶ Mark, replying to Mark, #544 of 2196 🔗

PS Watching a BBC product involving Thatcher and expecting honesty is a bit like expecting the propaganda arm of the German state 1933-45 to provide an honest and objective documentary about the history of world Judaism.

279802 ▶▶▶▶ mjr, replying to Mark, #545 of 2196 🔗

it was actually written as a play in 1983 for production in 1986 but BBC were scared because it was pro Thatcher and jingoistic and they did not actually make it until 2002!.
only showing it now i think as a link to the “Play for Today” retrospective series they have been doing over the last few weeks
it is well written, well acted, pretty accurate and more like a drama documentary.

280060 ▶▶ RickH, replying to mjr, 1, #546 of 2196 🔗

… but don’t forget that the whole Falklands thing was an expensive back-covering exercise to hide a prior policy failure that exposed the islands as apparently being of little importance.

281221 ▶▶▶ Borisbullshit, replying to RickH, #547 of 2196 🔗

Have to agree with you there Rick.

279740 J4mes, replying to J4mes, 8, #548 of 2196 🔗

“There’s no conspiracy. In my brief experience of it, the British state has never been competent enough to mount or organise such a conspiracy, and indeed if it were so in the present climate plans for that would have leaked already.”

William Wragg, Conservative (No)

It doesn’t need to be leaked – it’s already in the public domain, openly celebrated by the elite on the World Economic Forum, going by the project title of The Great Reset.

Comments such as Bill Wragg’s only stokes further suspicion, because someone of his position will be fully aware of the Great Reset.

279746 ▶▶ G.Fawkes, replying to J4mes, 9, #549 of 2196 🔗

someone of his position will be fully aware of the Great Reset.”

Never underestimate the depth of ignorance of politicians.

279843 ▶▶▶ Steve Hayes, replying to G.Fawkes, 3, #550 of 2196 🔗

The vast majority of MPs are unaware that finance capitalists create money from nothing even though this information is readily available, and is indeed routinely mentioned in Bank of England reports. It is amazing how easily people can believe when it is in their interests to do so.

279950 ▶▶▶▶ G.Fawkes, replying to Steve Hayes, 1, #551 of 2196 🔗

Indeed. Money supply? What the hell is that? Maybe we should talk about sex changes for pre-teens instead. The Peter Principle at work.

279757 ▶▶ leggy, replying to J4mes, 3, #552 of 2196 🔗

Indeed, I was watching live when he came out with that. I thought to myself that the state doesn’t need to worry about mounting and organising anything, the corporations are quite capable.

279758 ▶▶ Charlie Blue, replying to J4mes, 5, #553 of 2196 🔗

I agree with him completely. The Government would not be able to pull off a surprise party for a 4year old.

279772 ▶▶▶ Mark, replying to Charlie Blue, 2, #554 of 2196 🔗

The news of the party would be leaked weeks in advance, they’d get the wrong child (a surprised 14 year old illegal immigrant would get a toddler-style party arranged for him), they’d pay some crony several million points to organise it and it would be a load of cheap tat. And they’d send the invitations to the wrong addresses. Late.

279774 ▶▶ calchas, replying to J4mes, 2, #555 of 2196 🔗

In my brief experience of it, the British state has never been competent enough to mount or organise such a conspiracy,”

That is plainly wrong. The ENIGMA deoding operation from the Second World War was very successful, and although known to many thousands of people, was kept secret from the public for more than thirty years.

279781 ▶▶▶ Jonathan Palmer, replying to calchas, 6, #556 of 2196 🔗

It’s not a conspiracy it’s an agenda.The government are fully signed up to agenda 21/30 and a zero carbon future.

279790 ▶▶▶▶ calchas, replying to Jonathan Palmer, 4, #557 of 2196 🔗


Zero carbon.

We are carbon-based life forms.

I don’t see China, Russia, India, Brazil taking it seriously.

As long as coal, oil and gas have economic value, then any reduction in demand from the ‘woke half’ of the world merely provides an effective price subsidy to the non-woke.

Therefore, consumption of coal, oil and gas will not fall as long as production remains available.

China’s domestic air traffic volume is already higher than this time last years.

280152 ▶▶▶▶▶ John P, replying to calchas, #558 of 2196 🔗

It means zero carbon dioxide.

279749 Tuppence Worth, replying to Tuppence Worth, 6, #559 of 2196 🔗

Re JHB and Kernel Bob Stewart, I thought that I had lucked out. I am moving to a new house in a couple of weeks. Just a couple of days back I noticed that my new MP will be the man himself.
Moving, as I am from a Labour constituency where the MP is a Corbynite, I expected her to noe or at least abstain… she ayed.
I consoled myself… At least I would be moving to a constituency where the MP was one of those rare individuals, an actual conservative MP, rather than the usual CONservative social democrat. He had been a trenchant supporter of Brexit, after all.
By the way that he over-mentioned and supported the antics of his beloved leader, I realised that he had spelled his adopted name wrong… You don’t spell “nutjob” with a C, but rather with a K (see above).
I am embarrassed to say that his slavish support of the great leader is apparently not derived from a thinking process, but rather from a devotion to his animal desire to be on the “winning side”.
Watch him jump into line when the Brexit “deal” is announced and we learn that we aren’t leaving after all. I fully expect “the transission” to continue for some time yet….

… Covid, don’t you know.

Hopefully, we will have a decent Reform UK candidate at the next election, so that a conservative constituency can vote for a real conservative.

279756 ▶▶ T. Prince, replying to Tuppence Worth, 4, #560 of 2196 🔗

Just about to post a comment on that interview! So, Johnson can’t do anything but follow the advice of his scientific advisors!! Does Stewart not realize what he said??!!!

279759 ▶▶ Tuppence Worth, replying to Tuppence Worth, 2, #561 of 2196 🔗

er.. transition 🇪🇺 , which of course also means remain.

279765 ▶▶▶ kh1485, replying to Tuppence Worth, #562 of 2196 🔗

Off-topic, is that a picture of Toilet Duck or are my eyes playing up?

279890 ▶▶▶▶ Tuppence Worth, replying to kh1485, 1, #563 of 2196 🔗

Actually it is the French version, which is not “toilet duck”, but more appropriately for commenting, “canard”.

279788 ▶▶ PatrickF, replying to Tuppence Worth, 2, #564 of 2196 🔗

You have Colonel Sanders for an MP: a Kentucky brain fried chicken.

279755 calchas, replying to calchas, 18, #565 of 2196 🔗

To anyone who has read ‘Lord of the Flies’.

Covid increasingly reminds me of ‘The Beast’.

A phantom ,a mirage, a construct of the collective psyche, used to justify all sorts of stuff.

279769 ▶▶ G.Fawkes, replying to calchas, 6, #566 of 2196 🔗

Exactly. Piggy is long dead at this point. As some Austrian guy once wrote in a book about camping:

“Terrorism is the best political weapon for nothing drives people harder than a fear of sudden death.” – A. Hitler

It’s also the reason why western governments (and friends) train and fund terrorists. ISIS, Al Qaeda, IRA… on and on… It’s a matter of record, not a ‘theory’.

Even the Romans funded their own carefully cultivated terrorism. It’s certainly not a new idea, just a different method this time around.

A state of mass panic – this is what the WEF fascists mean when they talk about ‘a window of opportunity’. Fear was, is, and always will be the yoke of control.

279796 ▶▶ chaos, replying to calchas, 7, #567 of 2196 🔗

Or the cretaures ‘those we do not speak of’ in M. Night. Shyamalan’s brilliant ‘The Village’. Or alternatively, pretty much every pandemic amplified beyond reality since I was old enough to read the news e.g. AIDS, SARS, swine flu, bird flu, CJD… the amounts of legovers and burgers I refused as a teen worrying about AIDS and mad cow disease. Wasn’t until I got to 40 that I started recognising the pattern. But they really outdid themselves with covid.. a mild cold.

279767 Ricky R, replying to Ricky R, 26, #568 of 2196 🔗

Just watched the Graham Brady speech. Any theories on why Gove and Boris are sat there like miserable children? Do they know this is the beginning of the end? Have their Great Reset masters chastised them for allowing rebellion to grow?

279776 ▶▶ Matt The Cat, replying to Ricky R, 4, #569 of 2196 🔗

Well, it’s open to interpretation. Last night, I thought Yeltsin was looking depressed and ill. This morning however, I think he was quietly gloating. The “opposition” have shown themselves and shown their hands.
Yeltsin knew, of course, as he sat there that this morning’s announcement was coming.

279886 ▶▶ Tyneside Tigress, replying to Ricky R, 7, #570 of 2196 🔗

Brady alone knows how many letters have been submitted. The rebellion was one over the trigger number for a vote of no confidence. Unusually, he was sat on the front bench (he normally sits back right of the despatch box as you look on the screen. The message was clear. Question is, will the 56 pull the trigger?

279919 ▶▶▶ Matt The Cat, replying to Tyneside Tigress, #571 of 2196 🔗

That’s a good question. Of course, Yeltsin knows that ANY MP from the government benches could have written in, even if they had have “taken the shilling” last night.

279946 ▶▶▶ Bella Donna, replying to Tyneside Tigress, 3, #572 of 2196 🔗

They won’t be pulling any triggers until the end of the month.

279957 ▶▶▶▶ Tyneside Tigress, replying to Bella Donna, 3, #573 of 2196 🔗

Agree – related to the Brexit deadline. After 31 December there is no need for Doris, whatever the outcome of the negotiations.

280192 ▶▶▶▶▶ Tom in Scotland, replying to Tyneside Tigress, 1, #574 of 2196 🔗

Yes, I think he’s nearly finished and others (like Sunak and Gove) are just waiting for us to leave the Brexit transition period. Looking at BoJo, it’s clear that he’s not well, he has a new baby and a high-maintenance finacee, he’s making less money than he’s accustomed to, and being PM isn’t as fun as he had expected. I think Brady will be pushing on an open door when the last letter comes in. Good riddance.

279939 ▶▶ alw, replying to Ricky R, 1, #575 of 2196 🔗

Boris looked ill and possessed.

280040 ▶▶▶ RickH, replying to alw, #576 of 2196 🔗

I can’t think of a more deserving character (although is ‘character’ a word we should use re. Johnson?)

281243 ▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to alw, #577 of 2196 🔗

Not as possessed as Wankock on the beeb this morning.

279944 ▶▶ Bella Donna, replying to Ricky R, 2, #578 of 2196 🔗

I thought Bozo looked awful, like a condemned man on his way to the scaffold.

279768 kf99, 2, #579 of 2196 🔗

Michael Covel’s podcast was good this week.  Author Charles Goyette – he calls what’s going on “Capital destruction” – printing money is no substitute for destroyed businesses.

279773 FlynnQuill, replying to FlynnQuill, 24, #580 of 2196 🔗

With regards to the latest announcement and media delirium over the vaccine being approved (didn’t see that one coming) this morning. We now a have a plonker MP from Stockton on Talk Radio at the moment, creaming his pant about the vaccine. Saying we’ll soon be back to normal. NO WE WON’T, how delusional are these people, the government WON’T GIVE US BACK OUR FREEDOMS! Can’t wait until this plonker has had his vaccine and come March/April when absolutely nothing has changed.

Why are we getting excited about a vaccine for a disease that doesn’t kill that many people with a survival rate of 99.6% Especially when it only has a 90% efficacy rate. Utter fucking madness.

279797 ▶▶ Nsklent, replying to FlynnQuill, 15, #581 of 2196 🔗

It appears also that the vaccines have been trialled to show a reduction in symptoms not prevention of virus uptake or transmission – so really isn’t a vaccine, just a very risky Lemsip.

279809 ▶▶▶ FlynnQuill, replying to Nsklent, 3, #582 of 2196 🔗

Is anyone sure what this vaccine actually does. Does it stop infection? Does it just reduce the symptoms? Does it stop transmission? Does it cure anyone that is very ill?

What does it actually do?

279863 ▶▶▶▶ maggie may, replying to FlynnQuill, 5, #583 of 2196 🔗

I’ve been trying to find this out for weeks with absolutely no success. the BMJ article and open letter letter to MRHA lead me to think that vaccine only reduces symptoms but that’s all. But no one in the media ever asks what 95% efficacy actualy means.

279940 ▶▶▶▶ Bella Donna, replying to FlynnQuill, 1, #584 of 2196 🔗

And yet there are so many people willing to have it without knowing the risks they are taking.

280034 ▶▶▶▶▶ RickH, replying to Bella Donna, #585 of 2196 🔗

What do you think all these useless NPIs are about? They are frightening people into simply wanting to end the process.

279956 ▶▶▶▶ Ceriain, replying to FlynnQuill, 2, #586 of 2196 🔗

According to the the Beeb:

Prof Sir Munir Pirmohamed says people will be immune seven days after the second dose .

There will be partial immunity after the first dose, he says, explaining they have seen some protection occurring after day 12 of the first dose.

So they are claiming it will make people immune to Covid-19.

279990 ▶▶▶▶▶ CGL, replying to Ceriain, 3, #587 of 2196 🔗

It only deals with lowering symptoms was what I had heard. They haven’t claimed it gives immunity before?

280004 ▶▶▶▶▶ FlynnQuill, replying to Ceriain, 5, #588 of 2196 🔗

Where is he getting his information from? My wife, a Pharmacist for the NHS, can’t find any information of what it does or does not do. You’d think the health service would be one of the first to know, due to the fact they will be the ones rolling it out. Well, not my wife’s surgery as they have point blankly refused to administrate it.

280399 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Ceriain, replying to FlynnQuill, #589 of 2196 🔗

You’d think the health service would be one of the first to know

What an absurd thing to say. 😉

Why on Earth would Handjob want to do that? You’d think he had something to hide the way you are talking.

On a serious note, Flynn. Will you keep us updated if Mrs Flynn hears of other surgeries, or NHS establishments, saying similar, please? Thanks. 🙂

Would be good to see if it’s widespread.

279778 chaos, replying to chaos, 6, #590 of 2196 🔗

Is it wise to use a new vaccine on old people? On anyone? For a virus that even most old people survive? For a virus that is going.. is China obsessing about vaccinating its population? Why are we still trapped in Boris Kemal’s nightmare?

This morning’s Bill and Melinda Gates’ Global Health Security headline in The Telegraph:


279789 ▶▶ Andy Riley, replying to chaos, 10, #591 of 2196 🔗

I wonder if there will be daily stats reporting adverse effects and the number of people dying within 28 days of having the vaccine…

279872 ▶▶▶ mjr, replying to Andy Riley, 1, #592 of 2196 🔗

if you recall a few weeks ago, the details of the new recording system were featured here . They have a new system to cope with all the additional reports of post vaccine issues.
Now whether the data is revealed in detail……….. that is a different question

279807 ▶▶ DocRC, replying to chaos, 12, #594 of 2196 🔗

To be fair, the only group where there is a case to be made for the SARS-CoV-2 vaccine is the elderly (plus those with co-morbidities). If your chance of dying of Covid is 10%, then on the balance of risk you might opt for the vaccine. However if the risk is 0.05% (the IFR for healthy under 65’s) then you’d be crazy to go for it! For the avoidance of doubt, I speak as an ex-GP and a pro-vaccer!

279853 ▶▶▶ Tyneside Tigress, replying to DocRC, 5, #595 of 2196 🔗

I speak as an ex-scientist, married to an ex-scientist and agree completely with you.

280021 ▶▶▶ RickH, replying to DocRC, 5, #596 of 2196 🔗

Well – I’m close to the bullseye for vulnerability.

But that makes me also more cautious about a vaccine that has been glaringly under-tested over a too short time-span.

… and I think your probabilities have to be adjusted because of that. We don’t know the effects of these vaccines, so can’t estimate an injury rate for any age group. But if we take it, we are automatically in the group that may be susceptible.

If I don’t get vaccinated, it is true that that a higher IFR will be applicable if I catch the disease . But the probability of actually catching the disease has to be factored in, thus reducing dramatically the fatality rate.

At the moment, the reduction in the regulatory security fence, plus the extraordinary conflicts of interest surrounding the vaccine, from government to producers easily tips the balance away from taking it.

I guess the wider general point that underlies issues of conflicting interests is that a virus with the general known effects of this one doesn’t come near meriting this panic-buying. This simply enhances suspicion about the gerated hysteria and its motivations.

280159 ▶▶▶▶ PastImperfect, replying to RickH, 2, #597 of 2196 🔗

I’m well past my sell-by date and I shall take my chances with the virus, particularly as I probably had a mild dose of it last New Year. I have found out a great deal about vitamins and supplements plus ionophores since then and will make sure that my immune system is functioning as well as possible.

280706 ▶▶ Ben, replying to chaos, 2, #598 of 2196 🔗

Research deaths caused by the Liverpool Care Pathway protocol and you have your answer

279782 davews, replying to davews, 8, #599 of 2196 🔗

I thought I had found a sensible home in Talk Radio. Today has changed that. Turned on just before 10am, JHB chatting to Mike Graham, she obviously very much pro vaccine, not sure yet about Mike. Then expecting the news (or their dreadful adverts) they went to a press conference. With PMQ at midday and it seems another dreadful appearance of Boris at 5pm can’t see myself standing much of their output today so probably back to Classic FM to keep well away from the nonsense.

279793 ▶▶ kh1485, replying to davews, 3, #600 of 2196 🔗

Thanks for the heads-up (that saves me a few hours listening on catch-up). I had thought talkRADIO was a refuge from all this (esp. MG). Agree on the Classic FM, it’s a great place to seek respite from the crapfest.

279825 ▶▶▶ Andy Riley, replying to kh1485, 2, #601 of 2196 🔗

I left Classic FM weeks ago due to the constant Covid nagging during their adverts
I now have Radio 3 on all day which has a wider range of music and no nagging.
OK – it’s BBC but mainly (but not entirely) unaffected by woke.

279856 ▶▶▶▶ maggie may, replying to Andy Riley, 3, #602 of 2196 🔗

Someone on here recommended Radio Swiss Classic a while back, which I listen to now (internet only) Only music, no ads, no interruptions. very soothing.

279861 ▶▶▶▶ kh1485, replying to Andy Riley, #603 of 2196 🔗

I get your point, I just turn the sound down when the corona ads come on. Trouble is, I am boycotting the Beeb and I can’t get Scala Radio so that limits the available classical music stations.

279871 ▶▶▶▶ dhid, replying to Andy Riley, 2, #604 of 2196 🔗


Who they?

279880 ▶▶▶▶ TheOriginalBlackPudding, replying to Andy Riley, 1, #605 of 2196 🔗

It’s more subtle wokery on Radio 3. They skew a bit in favour of women composers at the moment, and now and again they do get carried away on BAME waves. Occasional reminders of the fact the tiny “audience is socially distanced here at the Wigmore Hall, blah, blah, blah….” can grate. But still better than Classic FM (Kate simpery-tweedy-hen Mollison excepted).

280397 ▶▶▶▶▶ Edward, replying to TheOriginalBlackPudding, #606 of 2196 🔗

I can’t stand Tom Service, he’s so full of himself. Sean Rafferty is fairly awful too which is why I prefer Classic FM in early evening despite the irritating adverts, not just the covid propaganda. The best thing on Radio 3 is Composer of the Week, with Donald MacLeod being erudite and informative but with a light touch; I believe that he writes the scripts himself.

279960 ▶▶▶▶ mjr, replying to Andy Riley, 1, #607 of 2196 🔗

BBC cannot help themselves. watched masterchef this morning on catch up and the version they showed was the one with the commentary for the blind viewers. The guy specifically pointed out at the end when the chefs stand and await the decisions that they were “all standing socially distanced” – so the blind viewers were aware .

280388 ▶▶▶▶ Edward, replying to Andy Riley, #608 of 2196 🔗

Just make sure you avoid the news.

279854 ▶▶ Lydia, replying to davews, #609 of 2196 🔗

I’m listening to Mike Graham who was speaking to someone who was very excited about the news of the vaccine. Mike said he’s got a problem with the Government making the vaccine compulsory but hasn’t got a problem with local businesses; pubs, restaurants if they allow only vaccinated people into their premises!

279867 ▶▶▶ dhid, replying to Lydia, 3, #610 of 2196 🔗

I think he knows that any business that does have a requirement, might not stay in business too long.

Of all the presenters on TR I think (and hope) he’s the most “freedom” genuine.

279858 ▶▶ dhid, replying to davews, 2, #611 of 2196 🔗

As I have said elsewhere here earlier, I was very disappointed with JHBs “interview” with Creepy Hancock.

I think even Mike Graham might have to tread a bit of a fine line on vaccines due to the radio regulatory authorities, which they are subject to, for their broadcast licence.

I find the “normal” adverts irritating too – but they pay the station bills I suppose – it’s the “warning” ones about the bloody virus that seriously annoy me!

279900 ▶▶ Matt The Cat, replying to davews, 1, #612 of 2196 🔗

6 Music isn’t too bad. No adverts, obviously. You get the regulation”box ticking” and hand-wringing from all the DJs of course, but there are 3 or 4 there who often subtly communicate they think it’s all a bag of shite. I shall mention no names!!

279785 Lockdown_Lunacy, replying to Lockdown_Lunacy, 8, #613 of 2196 🔗

The Boeing 737 MAX was given fast tracked certification. Fine machine that is… 🤪

279810 ▶▶ G.Fawkes, replying to Lockdown_Lunacy, 6, #614 of 2196 🔗

I don’t fly often, but when I do, I like my aircraft to be aerodynamically unstable and thrown together by the lowest bidder.

279822 ▶▶▶ Cecil B, replying to G.Fawkes, 2, #615 of 2196 🔗

What like a vaccine?

279849 ▶▶▶ Lockdown_Lunacy, replying to G.Fawkes, 3, #616 of 2196 🔗

The only way to fly!

I suppose at least the MAX was derived from a hugely successful and demonstrably safe predecessor. The Pfizer mRNA vaccine doesn’t even have that going for it…

279891 ▶▶▶ dhid, replying to G.Fawkes, 1, #617 of 2196 🔗

You might not be able to enjoy that thrill for much longer.

I think they’ll need to jump start most of ’em and pump-up the perished tyres in a year or two.

279817 ▶▶ concrete68, replying to Lockdown_Lunacy, #618 of 2196 🔗

Good call. Forgotten about that ..

279881 ▶▶ dhid, replying to Lockdown_Lunacy, #619 of 2196 🔗

Fast track = fast crap. Possibly.

279898 ▶▶ Sarigan, replying to Lockdown_Lunacy, 1, #620 of 2196 🔗

I lost a friend on ET302. We have campaigned since to keep it grounded to no avail despite ongoing safety concerns.

279988 ▶▶▶ Two-Six, replying to Sarigan, 1, #621 of 2196 🔗

Have you looked into what actually happened to those planes? There are some reconstructions in a simulator where the show what happened. The autopilot because of a faulty angle of attack vane on one side of the aircraft was giving the wrong information that the AOA was too high. It was stuck due to physical damage.

The plane thought it was going too slowly so increase forward trim. Then it did it again, and again, and again, every 5 seconds until the trim was way too far forward and no amount of pulling back on the control stick would pull the plane out the dive.

If the pilots had been warned about this possible scenario and had trained for it they could have just turned of the trim motors and gone for manual trimming and the planes would not have crashed.

The pilots were trusting in the flight systems instead of flying by conventional flying techniques of setting the pitch and power according to primary visual references and cross referencing their instruments. Instead they were fighting the autopilot until the planes crashed into the ground.

This is a good explanation of what happened.

279792 Cecil B, replying to Cecil B, 1, #622 of 2196 🔗

Bob Dylan and Joan Baez with protest poster Newark Airport 1964

Looks like we are going to have to do it all again

People like the joke soldier Bob and others need ‘to get out of our way’


Can someone post the image on here for me

279811 ▶▶ calchas, replying to Cecil B, #623 of 2196 🔗

Not working for me either.

279829 ▶▶ Ed Phillips, replying to Cecil B, 1, #624 of 2196 🔗

I recently saw that photo and thought it would make a good poster for these days.

I’ve also listened to a lot of Dylan’s Christian music recently. He knew. Slow Train Coming indeed – and it’s picking up speed.

279833 ▶▶▶ Ed Phillips, replying to Ed Phillips, #625 of 2196 🔗

Why would I want to take your life?
You’ve only murdered my father, raped his wife
Tattooed my babies with a poison pen
Mocked my God, humiliated my friends

I need a shot of love, I need a shot of love

279903 ▶▶▶▶ Cecil B, replying to Ed Phillips, #626 of 2196 🔗

Desolation Row

279799 NorthumbrianNomad, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, 9, #627 of 2196 🔗

Colonel Bob Stewart, in his boundless wisdom, gives his clinching reason for supporting the government as follows: we must agree with “the experts” (i.e. the government-appointed medical mandarins) or Boris Johnson will feel guilty for all the covid deaths.

Short response: WTF?

Longer response: I fail to see why the country should be shut down to suit Boris Johnson’s twisted conscience. If he had a proper conscience, he would be agonising over all the surplus cardiovascular, cancer and suicide deaths, the businesses destroyed, the people plunged into poverty, the mortgaging of the futures of the young (even dwarfing Gordon Brown’s shameless dice game with the future in the mid-2000s, and look how that ended up). The destruction of the country he claims to love, in irrational fear of a virus with a 0.12% IFR. (From the Norwegian study published yesterday. I tried to google this to double-check the figure, but Google reacted to my search terms by giving me, as top hit, a Twitter thread by a squealing American infant (OK… BEDWETTER, I give up) “refuting” the “lies” of “covid deniers”, so fuck them.)

Stewart and their idiot ilk should have voted for the good of their constituents, not for the good of Boris Johnson. I knew they wouldn’t, so I’m not surprised.

279803 ▶▶ Gerry Mandarin, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, 6, #628 of 2196 🔗

He’s trained to follow orders – however daft.

279818 ▶▶ DocRC, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, 5, #629 of 2196 🔗

Having listened to JHB’s evisceration of him I wonder if Colonel Bob was discharged from the Army after a brain injury? Or maybe he was just a normal (thick, public school educated) Rupert. Either way there is not much evidence of any activity in the old grey matter!

279838 ▶▶▶ Dan Clarke, replying to DocRC, 2, #630 of 2196 🔗

They are on the same page now, JHB, this morning all over Hancock and his vaccine.

279823 ▶▶ Londo Mollari, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, 5, #631 of 2196 🔗

Use duckduckgo search engine or even Yandex. Google is really bad.

279805 mhcp, 8, #632 of 2196 🔗

So we can now see the effects of brainwashing:

Clearly if you have had Covid you don’t need a vaccine.

Well, as people are saying, immunity doesn’t last.

Decades of immunology which underpins vaccines says yes. If it mutates well your first vaccine/infection is less effective.

This is classic cult behaviour and sadly the cult, that include climate change fanatics, has taken another foothold.

279806 Steve Hayes, replying to Steve Hayes, 26, #633 of 2196 🔗

On Good Morning Britain this morning, Matt Hancock, the Health Secretary, stated that he would take the vaccine. He said this even as he acknowledged that he has had the disease and recovered. Either the Health Secretary, and his chief advisors, Whitty and Valance etc, do not know how vaccines work or they are yet again stating things that they know are false. If a vaccine works, it works by enabling the immune system to recognise the infectious agent and develop defences. It works by mimicking what happens when a person is infected and recovers, which is the immune system has recognised the infectious agent and developed defences. If Hancock has had the disease and recovered, the vaccine could not provide any benefit, but it could cause him harm. Yet, the Health Secretary, presumably acting on the advice of the Chief Medical Officer and Senior Scientific Advisor, is clearly trying to encourage people who have had the disease and recovered and therefore have as much, if not more, immunity than the vaccine could confer, to take a vaccine that, not only offers no benefit, but might cause them serious harm. One has to wonder whether Hancock and the rest have even heard of morality, never mind ethics.

279910 ▶▶ Freecumbria, replying to Steve Hayes, 3, #634 of 2196 🔗

I agree it would be completely pointless (and risky) for someone who had had the virus (perhaps someone who had tested positive for SARS-C0V-2 and had some symptoms) to take the vaccine. Natural infection should give better protection than a vaccine of course.

But much as I hate Matt Hancock, had he said he wasn’t going to take the vaccine for that reason, we’d all be shouting that he was shirking the vaccine because he knew it was dangerous.

279933 ▶▶▶ Steve Hayes, replying to Freecumbria, 4, #635 of 2196 🔗

I would not be shouting that he was shirking, and neither would anyone else who knows how vaccines work. Yet even if that is his motivation (and I do not know what his motivation is as I cannot read minds), he is still behaving in a manner that he must know is immoral and unethical.

279972 ▶▶▶▶ Freecumbria, replying to Steve Hayes, #636 of 2196 🔗

Agree. Shouldn’t have said all rather some would be shouting

279999 ▶▶▶▶▶ Steve Hayes, replying to Freecumbria, 1, #637 of 2196 🔗

Piers Morgan certainly would. But that’s all he’s done for months.

280050 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Freecumbria, replying to Steve Hayes, 1, #638 of 2196 🔗

That’s exactly the sort of person who I meant would be shouting!

279916 ▶▶ Bella Donna, replying to Steve Hayes, 1, #639 of 2196 🔗

Let’s us not forget the vast amounts of money these idiots have invested in this scamdemic and the destruction they have caused to our lives. They must be panicking like mad as their plans unravel.

279941 ▶▶▶ G.Fawkes, replying to Bella Donna, 1, #640 of 2196 🔗

And so they should. These useful idiots of the criminal oligarchs will be thrown to the wolves when their usefulness expires. They’ll be lucky if they’re not hunted down and lynched in the street.

280009 ▶▶▶ PastImperfect, replying to Bella Donna, 1, #641 of 2196 🔗

How are their plans unravelling?

279964 ▶▶ RickH, replying to Steve Hayes, 1, #642 of 2196 🔗

It’s childishly obvious : why, if we have a functioning regulatory framework, is it suddenly OK to bypass it?

… particularly if time span for observation is one of the critical parameters of thorough testing.

279827 Darryl, replying to Darryl, 5, #643 of 2196 🔗

I have noticed the subtile influencing and coercion campaign has been ramped up today.

Get the presenter to sound defiant but the overall message is one of complete defeatism and submission. Very clever.

NO JAB NO ENTRY Told You https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YoqjLZcCa7A

279834 ▶▶ mikewaite, replying to Darryl, 17, #644 of 2196 🔗


279934 ▶▶▶ G.Fawkes, replying to mikewaite, 1, #645 of 2196 🔗

More evidence that politicians have no clue how business works. They must be too used to the mysterious perpetual money tree that funds all of their outrageous expense accounts and absurd pet projects.

279836 ▶▶ Dan Clarke, replying to Darryl, 7, #646 of 2196 🔗

In the spring over a pub lunch in the garden, a friend fell out with me about this, saying it was rubbish, I’ll never know what he thinks now.

279860 ▶▶▶ Darryl, replying to Dan Clarke, 4, #647 of 2196 🔗

I have never had any doubt that this plan of action was decided in March or earlier, we aren’t looking so crazy now.

It does disappoint me if they are paying influencers to get people to submit with underhand tactics like in this video. People should want the vaccine voluntarily.

279848 ▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to Darryl, 7, #648 of 2196 🔗

Just means more bankruptcy. If 40% of NHS staff are going to refuse the jab, what message does that send out. Hard times for pubs and restaurants, so I don’t see this happening. This is a headline from the Daily Mirror, and the operative word in their report is “could”. Hardly proof.

I suspect this is a “nudge”. Get the jab or this might happen.Desperate stuff from a desperate government.

279878 ▶▶▶ Darryl, replying to Nick Rose, 3, #649 of 2196 🔗

More bankruptcies and job losses don’t seem to matter to them. Let’s be honest, the establishment elite would happily like to see the back of the traditional pub. In the utopian visions that the technocrats present us I have never seen anything resembling a pub featuring.

The media and YouTube channels are being used to manipulate the population. The message in the above video is clear – submit to the power of the State.

279906 ▶▶▶▶ Bella Donna, replying to Darryl, 3, #650 of 2196 🔗

‘Better to die on your feet than on your knees’

279830 mikewaite, replying to mikewaite, 5, #651 of 2196 🔗

Re the vaccine approval:
Copied this from the MHRA news release:

MHRA Chief Executive, Dr June Raine said:

We have carried out a rigorous scientific assessment of all the available evidence of quality, safety and effectiveness. The public’s safety has always been at the forefront of our minds – safety is our watchword.

I’m really pleased to say that the UK is now one step closer to providing a safe and effective vaccine to help in the fight against COVID-19 – a virus that has affected each and every one of us in some way – and in helping to save lives.

We are globally recognised for requiring high standards of safety, quality and effectiveness for any vaccine. Our expert scientists and clinicians worked tirelessly, around the clock, carefully, scientifically, robustly and rigorously poring over hundreds of pages and tables of data, methodically reviewing the data.

Vaccines are the most effective way to prevent infectious diseases. They save millions of lives worldwide.

Notes to Editor

  1. The Medicines and Healthcare products Regulatory Agency is responsible for regulating all medicines and medical devices in the UK by ensuring they work and are acceptably safe. All our work is underpinned by robust and fact-based judgements to ensure that the benefits justify any risks.
  2. The decision to approve the supply of this vaccine was taken under Regulation 174 of the Human Medicine Regulations 2012, which enables rapid temporary regulatory approvals to address significant public health issues such as a pandemic.

Is it possible for us to see the rigorous and methodical review of the data that they claim has been carried out ? Not too much to ask surely given that the approval has been given , accordng to Note 2 above , “rapid temporary approval” because of the (nonexistent, IMO) pandemic.

279837 ▶▶ Andy Riley, replying to mikewaite, 4, #652 of 2196 🔗

“a rigorous scientific assessment of all the available evidence of quality, safety and effectiveness.”

“Regulation 174 of the Human Medicine Regulations 2012, which enables rapid temporary regulatory approvals”

A contradiction surely.

279847 ▶▶▶ davews, replying to Andy Riley, 2, #653 of 2196 🔗

When does the ‘temporary approval’ expire?…

279989 ▶▶▶▶ PastImperfect, replying to davews, #654 of 2196 🔗

Unfortunately the jab does not expire. Once the stuff is in your blood you can’t take it out.

279943 ▶▶▶ RickH, replying to Andy Riley, 3, #655 of 2196 🔗

Spot on, Andy. One can immediately see an agenda rather than rigorous scientific analysis here.

Add to the above :

Vaccines are the most effective way to prevent infectious diseases. They save millions of lives worldwide.”

… which is a generalized advocacy rather than an impartial analysis. I’ve never opposed vaccination on principle – but I know that statement is bullshit – and plain wrong in a historical analysis of public health.

Once again, thorny issues are raised regarding the quality of appointments made to government bodies – as we’ve seen with SAGE

279850 ▶▶ Hieronimusb, replying to mikewaite, 3, #656 of 2196 🔗

Perhaps Dr Raine would care to address the concerns voiced yesterday by Dr Mike Yeadon and Dr Wolfgang Wodarg in their petition to the EMA:


279873 ▶▶▶ leggy, replying to Hieronimusb, 1, #657 of 2196 🔗

If only. Not a chance though is there.

280251 ▶▶▶ Ben, replying to Hieronimusb, 1, #658 of 2196 🔗

I wonder if we’re about to witness Thalidomide Part Two

279851 ▶▶ Cecil B, replying to mikewaite, 8, #659 of 2196 🔗

Note the get out clause ‘all available evidence’

This is just a disclaimer.

‘We have read all the evidence and there is nothing in there to say it’s unsafe’

To the question is the vaccine safe, the only answer then can give is that
they don’t know

Not me guv!! nobody told me it was unsafe

The Titanic was super safe until they found out otherwise

279857 ▶▶▶ Cecil B, replying to Cecil B, 5, #660 of 2196 🔗

‘I saw no evidence of death camps in the East’

279887 ▶▶▶▶ Bella Donna, replying to Cecil B, 2, #661 of 2196 🔗


279869 ▶▶ mhcp, replying to mikewaite, 8, #662 of 2196 🔗

If the standard is 5 to 10 years, largely due to measuring long term effects then no this has not met the standard guidelines.

I now expect these same people to fly in experimental aeroplanes and drive experimental cars with their kids in them.

These same types of words came from the rating agencies before the financial crash.

Of course it wasn’t there fault. It was the evidence they had.

279885 ▶▶ Bella Donna, replying to mikewaite, 13, #663 of 2196 🔗

You’d have to be daft to line up for a vaccine that has been rushed through. I don’t fear catching Covid the same as I don’t fear catching flu, I won’t take a vaccine for something I dont fear. Those who have been keen on Lockdowns and authorianism can have it instead!

279936 ▶▶▶ Steven B, replying to Bella Donna, 1, #664 of 2196 🔗

Excellent post. And my thoughts about this vaccine exactly. Why everyone is labelled an ‘anti-vaxer’ over this I have no idea. I had all childhood vaccines but won’t need a flu vaccine for at least 30 more yrs! So why indeed would I want a vaccine for a similar illness?

279841 Achilles, replying to Achilles, 14, #665 of 2196 🔗

Billions for a vaccine, billions for a Track and Trace system, billions for testing. See the theme? Regardless of other motivations and theories never lose sight of the power of greed. Once everyone and their friends have got the money in their pockets they’ll give us a little bit of freedom back but they will continue to milk the herd for many years to come.

279868 ▶▶ Londo Mollari, replying to Achilles, 5, #666 of 2196 🔗

Will the state of the economy allow the continuance of a police state? or will we lapse into some sort of chaos? We are good at providing money for non jobs like health and diversity officers but not so good at producing people with scientific or technical knowledge. We’ve just lost at least a year of education and we’ve been shutting down fossil fuelled electricity plants. Trainee doctors can by essays off the internet. At the very time we need trained and qualified people they will not be there.

279884 ▶▶▶ calchas, replying to Londo Mollari, 7, #667 of 2196 🔗

I am optimistic that we will fall into dilapidation and chaos.

279842 Dan Clarke, replying to Dan Clarke, 12, #668 of 2196 🔗

Brainwashing for Idiots is in full swing today, on all media outlets.

279845 ▶▶ G.Fawkes, replying to Dan Clarke, 10, #669 of 2196 🔗

Well, that’s what the media outlets are for.

279859 godowneasy, replying to godowneasy, 3, #670 of 2196 🔗

My parents are in their 80’s. Both have health problems. I have decided it is my duty to inform them of the risks of the up-coming vaccines. As they would be 2nd priority it might be quite urgent. Has anyone got a link to a succinct list of potential problems that I can use? e.g. brand new mRNA type, developed in record time, not tested on vulnerable groups etc. Thank you.

279879 ▶▶ RickH, replying to godowneasy, 6, #671 of 2196 🔗

Wodarg’s and Yeadon’s call for a halt to vaccine trials (above) is probably as good a starting point as any.

280169 ▶▶▶ Silke David, replying to RickH, #672 of 2196 🔗

Although I am quite sure a woman in her 80’s is not worried about nit being able to produce a placenta.

279862 Cecil B, 3, #673 of 2196 🔗

Bullshiter Bob believes in the vaccine and that’s good enough for me

279874 Biker, replying to Biker, 13, #674 of 2196 🔗

That’s it then. Humans are to be injected world wide with their genetically engineered vaccine like we’re something to be modified. Everyone now born to anyone who has had the vaccine will now have a non evolutionary change to our DNA for the first time ever on this planet. This is some crazy shit.

279893 ▶▶ leggy, replying to Biker, 5, #675 of 2196 🔗

Crazy shit doesn’t even come close to describing the utter insanity. I don’t think the language has the words yet.

279897 ▶▶ Darryl, replying to Biker, 7, #676 of 2196 🔗

To be honest we have no idea because they have more or less completely silenced any questioning medical voices and that is before they really get started with the propaganda. I find it amazing that most medically trained people will happily go ahead injecting people without doing any personal research.

279926 ▶▶▶ RickH, replying to Darryl, 6, #677 of 2196 🔗

I think that the psychological research (Millgram et al.) on compliance is being given a frightening real-world run.

279997 ▶▶ steph, replying to Biker, 1, #678 of 2196 🔗

No hang on, this isn’t genetic modification. I hate the idea of rushing this vaccine but we do ourselves no favours by suggesting this. Messenger RNA is a very short lived molecule. Our DNA will not be modified.
I still wouldn’t touch this with a sh*tty stick until it’s been tested for much longer.

280056 ▶▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to steph, #679 of 2196 🔗

This is true. It alters a function of the DNA. Not DNA itself.

280659 ▶▶▶ Biker, replying to steph, 1, #680 of 2196 🔗

Oh that’s ok then, i’m reassured.

280105 ▶▶ John P, replying to Biker, 1, #681 of 2196 🔗

Well I’m not going to be vaccinated.

As for the rest of your comment. You’re talking out of your exhaust pipe, mate.

280655 ▶▶▶ Biker, replying to John P, #682 of 2196 🔗

i’m glad you know what’s in and i’m surprised a prize chump like yourself ain’t lining up for it

279876 calchas, replying to calchas, 14, #683 of 2196 🔗

Flu viruses have disappeared.

The covidians like to claim that this is because of masks and distancing. However:

  1. Even countries which have not adopted these measures, such as Sweden and Belarus, have seen the flu disappear.
  2. In a few countries with few covid ‘cases’ such as Cambodia, the flu continues.
  3. If it really were distancing and masks responsible, then why are coronaviruses not affected?

Conclusion – flu is being reclassified as covid.


279892 ▶▶ leggy, replying to calchas, 5, #684 of 2196 🔗

Covidians fail to recognise that influenza and SARS-Cov-2 would be transmitted in exactly the same way. You can’t stop one without stopping the other. Or in other words, if one spreads, so would the other. Latest Ivor update shows clearly that NPIs make no difference whatsoever. Arguably, infections rose immediately after mask rules were introduced – at the height of summer! We know better that is was an increase in false positive PCR though.

280052 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to calchas, 1, #685 of 2196 🔗

And the idiots are lining up for a flu vaccine then? This is mind bending. If it is flu being reclassified, what are they injecting them with?

279883 Bill Gisz, replying to Bill Gisz, 14, #686 of 2196 🔗

Reflecting on current government policy regarding The Great Lie, I’m reminded of the words of Nassim Nicholas Taleb:

“If you see fraud and do not say fraud, you are a fraud.”

I agree with Dr Taleb and applaud all those of you on here who continue to tell it like it is.

279925 ▶▶ Darryl, replying to Bill Gisz, 3, #687 of 2196 🔗

Nassim Nicholas Taleb interestingly hasn’t questioned a thing – I believe he lives in New York which has really gone mad with illogical restrictions such as having enclosed heated tents outside restaurants but not allowing customers to dine inside.

New York had an awful death record and Governor Cummo has been awarded an Emmy for his press conferences which illustrates that it is all largely theatre and acting.

279938 ▶▶▶ Recusant, replying to Darryl, 3, #688 of 2196 🔗

He was a very early masking zealot. I like him a lot, but he made fantastical and egregious claims about masking and quarantine back in May.

279979 ▶▶▶▶ Darryl, replying to Recusant, 2, #689 of 2196 🔗

Maybe this time he is ‘the intellectual yet idiot’ everyone has their weakness. He is indeed a Covid zealot I suspect his views are influenced by politics in New York. He is very quick to attack people he disagrees with and usually does it it in a very harsh and divisive way.

280338 ▶▶▶▶▶ Nigel Sherratt, replying to Darryl, 1, #690 of 2196 🔗

The one who doesn’t know that ‘ flâneur ‘ is not a synonym for bull shitter.

279894 fiery, 2, #691 of 2196 🔗

Although this has nothing to do with Lockdown I thought I’d give you an example if the sheer idiocy of NHS bureaucracy. I receive a small pension from the more than a life sentence I spent working for the NHS. Yesterday I received two letters amounting to five pages from NHS pensions informing me they’d been a shortfall in one of my payments. They were therefore repaying £0.03 into my bank account.
I immediately sent a DM via my twitter account commenting on the ludicrousness of this and that they’d spent more money in postage not to mention the sheer waste of paper. Received a message back agreeing that it was wasteful but that they were duty bound to inform me.

279895 Cecil B, 4, #692 of 2196 🔗

Start injecting the Kool Aid

279901 nickbowes, replying to nickbowes, 10, #693 of 2196 🔗

Thirty years ago David Icke pronounced himself as the “Son of God” (which he never did), becoming a national joke that stalked the land for many years.
Problem is, his predictions tend to become reality. He has been writing about the “trans-human” agenda for many years and rightly calling out that dead eyed snake Gates for the scumbag mass murderer he is. Today that psychotic bast*** Hancock is smiling with his “voluntary” vaccine. Me, i want my children to have healthy children.

279920 ▶▶ RickH, replying to nickbowes, 4, #694 of 2196 🔗

I don’t think that this validates Ike – it’s just a mark of how truly bananas is the government.

279928 ▶▶▶ nickbowes, replying to RickH, 1, #695 of 2196 🔗

It`s every Government in the world. First injection of many.

279930 ▶▶▶ redbirdpete, replying to RickH, #696 of 2196 🔗

Even lunatics can be right sometimes. But this is all extremely sinister.

280000 ▶▶▶ JHuntz, replying to RickH, #697 of 2196 🔗

Or how truly bananas our world is and that Ike sees it for what it is.

279902 Ben, replying to Ben, 16, #698 of 2196 🔗

Our lives and our futures and our children’s futures are being destroyed so that pharma and tech company shareholders see a return on investments

279923 ▶▶ David Grimbleby, replying to Ben, 10, #699 of 2196 🔗

Yes ,the whole thing is not about health..yours but wealth… theirs.

279929 ▶▶▶ leggy, replying to David Grimbleby, 5, #700 of 2196 🔗

I’m not even sure it’s about wealth. These people get to the point where they have so much of it, it’s not even important any more.

279935 ▶▶▶▶ Recusant, replying to leggy, 5, #701 of 2196 🔗

In the hierarchy of needs there is something above wealth: the self-righteous need to feel superior to others.

279942 ▶▶▶▶▶ CGL, replying to Recusant, 1, #702 of 2196 🔗

I know who I feel superior to

279978 ▶▶▶▶ Ben, replying to leggy, 5, #703 of 2196 🔗

Agreed. Governments see an opportunity to impose full Chinese social credit style control over citizens. No one wins in the New Normal except a handful of multi-billionaires

279907 John Stitch non stop dancer, replying to John Stitch non stop dancer, 12, #704 of 2196 🔗

Slightly off topic did anybody see a queue jumping NHS worker in the Supermarche?.I’m a Nurse with 27 years service to the NHS(No Heart Surgery).I recall a fat mess in uniform flash her badge and push past me.I can only wish the inevitable on her Type 2 Diabetes with a pinch of colon cancer to follow.I ironically clapped her as she waddled out.

280070 ▶▶ Two-Six, replying to John Stitch non stop dancer, 2, #705 of 2196 🔗

Yer I saw a fat twatt with a lockdown suntan try that back in May. The cheek of the woman was incredible, 20 odd people waiting patiently in line in the sun to get into Waitrose and she saunters to the front of the queue like she was royalty.
It was disgusting.

280201 ▶▶▶ calchas, replying to Two-Six, 2, #706 of 2196 🔗

Privilege a few.

Divide and rule.

280323 ▶▶ Nigel Sherratt, replying to John Stitch non stop dancer, #707 of 2196 🔗

Probably sent home for the duration as ‘high risk’ anyway.

279912 RickH, replying to RickH, 12, #708 of 2196 🔗

I’ve just listened to Julia Hartley-Brewer’s demolition of Bob Stewart.

To be frank, it wasn’t a difficult job, the man was so illogical and parrot-like. Imagine a battle under the command of someone as incapable of thought and analysis as this ‘Colonel’. I think any of his troops would be justified in carrying out physical restraint before more damage could be done!

But I did wonder whether the picture he painted of Johnson was in fact the truth. Obviously, it was meant to be a defense, but the actual picture was indeed of a serial incompetent in charge of the country who is truly way out of his depth, with none of the qualities of analysis, let alone leadership, that are required by the job.

Altogether – it’s easy to take pot-shots at politicians, but this was a widow onto a degree of incompetence (referring to both Stewart and Johnson) that is truly frightening : the nappy-wearing infants in charge of the nursery.

279948 ▶▶ Fingerache Philip., replying to RickH, 1, #709 of 2196 🔗

Lions led by donkeys.

279917 Lowe, replying to Lowe, 22, #710 of 2196 🔗

Radio 3 this morning announced the death of Irina Antonova, former director of the Pushkin Museum in Moscow. With sombre tone she was reported as dying from complications of the coronavirus…. aged 98.

I am shocked! If only President Putin could have stopped the virus, she could easily have made it to 140…

279992 ▶▶ wendy, replying to Lowe, 4, #711 of 2196 🔗

Yeah, must stop all deaths!!!!

280314 ▶▶▶ Nigel Sherratt, replying to wendy, 1, #712 of 2196 🔗

Comrade Stalin looks fine.

279924 Freecumbria, 8, #713 of 2196 🔗

Now released
Right Said Fred – ‘We’re All Criminals’

279927 Cecil B, 11, #714 of 2196 🔗

On the bright side

If the vaccine proves to be deadly, the believers will still want to be injected with it

Why? because as with all cults they will do what the leader tells them

It will make our life a lot easier as we will be the only ones left

I may apply for a post as a vaccinator

Getting paid to eradicate the cult is a win win

279937 calchas, replying to calchas, 5, #715 of 2196 🔗

How can the covidian agenda allow a large proportion of people to remain unvaccinated?

If, in the UK for example, 40 million get the vaccination and 25 million do not.

It would be the largst and most closely followed controlled experiment of all time.

What if the death rate or the hospitalization rate turned out to be significantly higher- with the vaccine – for any reason?

What if there wee no difference between the two groups on any variable?

What if ‘covid-19’, whatever it is, starts occurring among the vaccinated at a greater rate.

Can the covidian agenda aford the experiment?

279962 ▶▶ Ben, replying to calchas, 10, #716 of 2196 🔗

Perhaps the conspiracy theories are true and a proper deadly virus, instead of a cold and flu virus, will be accidentally released from a military facility in Wuhan, China. Bill and Melinda Gates will cut the ribbon followed by champagne and canapés. The defiant Les Miserables anti-vaxxer population will be wiped out, leaving behind only the placid, compliant vaxxed zombies, numb on their endless Microsoft boosters.

The Bastille is protected. The billionaires’ world garden is less crowded.

279980 ▶▶▶ calchas, replying to Ben, 7, #717 of 2196 🔗

I don’t think that the development of biological weapons is quite as easy in reality as in sci-fi stories and films. They are far too unpredictable eg mutations or pattern of spread.

It would be much better to have a fake virus. That way you control all the variables.

279987 ▶▶ wendy, replying to calchas, 4, #718 of 2196 🔗

It does feel like they won’t leave people alone who do not want the vaccine. Will we get called spreaders. But if there is nothing to spread which I think there won’t be by spring why would we need it. Perhaps once all the fearful people get their shot they will leave us alone.

279949 Margaret, replying to Margaret, 40, #719 of 2196 🔗

Think back to April, once the three weeks to flatten the sombrero was up or even in June when most of the lockdown was lifted. If Boris had then said “Actually folks, we panicked a bit over this whole thing, it isn’t really as bad as we first thought. We were doing what we thought was right in order to protect the U.K. and its people. We got it wrong and we’re really sorry”, would we have accepted that apology and admired him for being honest?

I would. I may have moaned a bit about incompetence etc. but if he had been up front about it, I would have given him the benefit of the doubt. I would have forgiven him.

As it is now, he, his government and his scientists have treated me like a fool, have tried to manipulate me and in some cases have lied to me directly or by omission. They have stopped me from seeing my family, from travelling, from doing all the things which make my life worth living and for what? To save their own skins, that’s what.

That is unforgivable.

279955 ▶▶ Chris Hume, replying to Margaret, 12, #720 of 2196 🔗

Agree with every word Margaret. Sums up exactly how I feel as well.

279977 ▶▶ wendy, replying to Margaret, 11, #721 of 2196 🔗

Yes exactly this, I said it earlier in the year. Do you think he has been stuck between the zero Covid lot and Labour and their Jacinder Arden dreams and MSM and others more like us who are trying to accept that this will become another endemic coronavirus. Sometimes I make my headache trying to figure out why the government are doing this.

I am so glad I am not on my own with being fearful of a rushed vaccine. All the talk about making it mandatory and making movements restricted without it make me deal very anxious.

279991 ▶▶ mjr, replying to Margaret, 7, #722 of 2196 🔗

unfortunately a perfect example of the phrase “when you’re in a hole stop digging”. Agree if he stopped digging in April would have been accepted.. However has continued digging and the real world is now way over his head

280002 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to Margaret, 3, #723 of 2196 🔗

You’d have forgiven the care homes disaster? Not a chance.

280022 ▶▶▶ Margaret, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 4, #724 of 2196 🔗

No, you’re right! I wouldn’t!

280068 ▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to Margaret, 6, #725 of 2196 🔗

David Starkey already as early as April was urging the government to do a mea culpa and he was pretty much articulating my thoughts.

Had Johnson done a mea culpa and said what you mentioned above, I would have shrugged my shoulders and say “OK, he got it wrong but at least he’s admitted he was wrong, apologised and is trying to repair the damage.”

Now I won’t be able to forgive him and the others who led us into this mess. It’s negligent what they have done and it will take decades perhaps even centuries to undo.

They need to pay, if its with their lives so be it.

Well said Margaret!!!

280307 ▶▶ Nigel Sherratt, replying to Margaret, 1, #726 of 2196 🔗

It’s worse than that as TY has pointed out. They know what they’ve done but consider any level of collateral damage (us!) better than the political blowback from the NHS being ‘overwhelmed’.

279952 John P, 17, #727 of 2196 🔗

I don’t care if it’s safe.

I’m not your guinea pig Johnson, you fat shit.

279954 alw, replying to alw, 16, #728 of 2196 🔗

Toby Young

· 16h
So, a minority of MPs — 291 — voted to impose these pointless, ruinous restrictions and the remainder either didn’t show up, abstained or voted against. I don’t see how people can be expected to comply with them now and the police shouldn’t enforce them. This is minority rule.

280018 ▶▶ wendy, replying to alw, 6, #729 of 2196 🔗

I suppose most individuals aren’t going to comply as we have not been doing from the beginning but the businesses that are forced to close can’t not comply and it’s them I feel for.

279963 Margaret, replying to Margaret, 3, #730 of 2196 🔗


I sent this to my MP yesterday after his emotional outpouring on Facebook before he voted with the government. It was to remind him of those happier pre-Covid days in 2018.

279976 ▶▶ mjr, replying to Margaret, 1, #731 of 2196 🔗

how wonderful and efficient the NHS was before this nasty covid

280053 ▶▶ Margaret, replying to Margaret, #732 of 2196 🔗

Ignore the bit about the drugged up man- it’s all about the winter crisis in the NHS in 2018 as shown on tv.

280295 ▶▶ Nigel Sherratt, replying to Margaret, #733 of 2196 🔗

Or this from 100 years ago, my gradfather was Lieut. George Sherratt having volunteered for overseas service at Hanley Drill Hall in August 1914.


279965 Cecil B, 5, #734 of 2196 🔗

In March the pig dictator announced that there were on only 21 shopping days to Christmas and nearly everyone believed him

279967 John Galt, replying to John Galt, 1, #735 of 2196 🔗

Can anyone post a link regarding only under 50s being used in clinical trials for the vaccine?

I’ve read it before, but as per everything that’s going on, if you don’t save it at the time then search engines will hide it to the point you can’t find it, even if you use very specific search terms.


280112 ▶▶ Mabel Cow, replying to John Galt, 1, #736 of 2196 🔗

In case it’s any use to you, the lead LS article on 2020-11-10 quoted a Spectator article that mentioned the ages of trial participants.

280128 ▶▶▶ John Galt, replying to Mabel Cow, #737 of 2196 🔗

Thank you. The fact that half of the volunteers received a placebo wasn’t something I’d committed to memory, so that’s very helpful.

280119 ▶▶ John Galt, replying to John Galt, #738 of 2196 🔗

I think this was correct when I initially read it, in that they test 18-55 year old’s first, but it seems that to conclude Phase 1, which Pfizer have said they have done, they also test 65-85 year old’s, so I think it’s outdated.

This is a link to the study where I found the information:


It’s very dense, but I’m pretty sure they’ve tested 65-85 year old’s.

Does anyone have a timeline for the testing of this vaccine, out of interest? I can’t find anything saying when it started, but they’ve apparently now concluded Phase 3 testing as of the 18th of November, when phases 1-3 usually take between 5-9 years.

279968 Achilles, 7, #739 of 2196 🔗

Well they enforced a medical intervention without any proper assessment of risk with mandatory mask wearing so vaccinations are just the next step. We are sheep to them, they despise us. You can see the contempt on their faces.

279969 mjr, 1, #740 of 2196 🔗

in case it’s not been mentioned , had email overnight to advise government response to petition re ending lockdown which i had signed.
here is link to the response . load of bollocks

279973 Fingerache Philip., replying to Fingerache Philip., 9, #741 of 2196 🔗

Signs of madness: 907: queue to get into Waitroses in Stourbridge: Pick up trolley inside shopping centre, wheel trolley outside to come back inside (1 way system, you understand) to enter store and WOE BETIDE you if you try to stoop under the barrier.
I said “sod this” as I went the “wrong way” back out, only to be met by the blank looks in the eyes of the “sheep”

279995 ▶▶ Paul, replying to Fingerache Philip., 4, #742 of 2196 🔗

I know what you mean,they just can’t compute that you weren’t instantly vapourised by breaking the rules.

280017 ▶▶▶ Ceriain, replying to Paul, 4, #743 of 2196 🔗

instantly vapourised

That’s coming soon. If the vaccine doesn’t work:

People simply disappeared, always during the night. Your name was removed from the registers, every record of everything you had ever done was wiped out, your one-time existence was denied and then forgotten. You were abolished, annihilated: vaporized was the usual word.

Orwell, 1984

279981 Ceriain, replying to Ceriain, 8, #744 of 2196 🔗

I noticed in an earlier comment someone said Hancock will take the vaccine “even though I’ve already had covid and recovered” (paraphrased).

That got me thinking about how so many of the main players in this farce supposedly caught Covid early in the game. It got me wondering if this was so that further down the line they could then say, “I don’t need the vaccine, I’m naturally immune after having Covid.”

280277 ▶▶ Nigel Sherratt, replying to Ceriain, 1, #745 of 2196 🔗

Boris isolated again despite his earlier near death experience.

279982 Les Tricoteuses, replying to Les Tricoteuses, 16, #746 of 2196 🔗

Since our government and SAGE are vital to help us out of this dangerous pandemic it is imperative none of them fall ill and die. Therefore they must be first in line for the vaccine. I hope none of you would be so selfish as to deny them this and put yourselves above them in the queue. Your own needs must be subservient to the greater good.

279993 ▶▶ Ceriain, replying to Les Tricoteuses, 5, #747 of 2196 🔗

See my comment just a minute ago. Most will claim natural immunity since they claim to have had Covid in the Spring.

280274 ▶▶▶ Nigel Sherratt, replying to Ceriain, 2, #748 of 2196 🔗

Still need the ‘jab’ though since antibodies fade quickly (hoist on their own petard).

279984 T. Prince, replying to T. Prince, 10, #749 of 2196 🔗

Had the misfortune of catching the tale end of a conversation between Dr Hilary and the grinning idiot Lorraine Kelly this morning. He was telling more blatant lies about hospitals being overwhelmed (again??) if people don’t get the vaccine. Surely he should be struck off for misleading the public in this way?

280074 ▶▶ Steve Hayes, replying to T. Prince, 5, #750 of 2196 🔗

Is it not ironic to listen to him condemning people who push misinformation about the virus?

279985 Paul, replying to Paul, 8, #751 of 2196 🔗

A friend just told me that she was out in her village this morning when someone she knew came rushing up to her and said ‘have you heard the good news today ?,they’ve got a vaccine,I’m so pleased,I can see my mum in the care home now,I haven’t seen her since February’,my friend responded by bursting their bubble and suggesting that they should stop counting their chickens.

279994 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to Paul, 3, #752 of 2196 🔗

Ask most who ‘they’ are and they couldn’t even tell you. 40% of GPs are hesitant.

280012 ▶▶▶ Paul, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 3, #753 of 2196 🔗

Yes,this illusive ‘they’ that will pounce if they go in a shop without a muzzle or have relatives round for a party,the ‘they’ that the sheeple live in constant fear of but live in constant awe of at the same time.

280045 ▶▶ Margaret, replying to Paul, 5, #754 of 2196 🔗

Same here with my friendly petrol station cashier this morning. He was looking forward to the vaccine solving all our problems until I told him that I wouldn’t be having a vaccine, which normally takes ten years to develop, but which had been developed in six months.
”Oh!” he said “I didn’t know that”

280202 ▶▶▶ Silke David, replying to Margaret, 1, #755 of 2196 🔗

A young person getting all the info from FB?

280538 ▶▶▶▶ Margaret, replying to Silke David, #756 of 2196 🔗

No, someone probably in his forties.

279986 kenadams, 8, #757 of 2196 🔗

I just got another cut and paste reply from my MP. So I’ve emailed him back for the final time (he’s definitely not saveable):


You and your party are complicit in the total destruction of all art, culture, sport and travel, the ruination of thousands of small businesses, the abandonment of vulnerable children and women to domestic violence, a huge increase in poverty, huge increase in mental health problems, and the deaths of far more people through non-covid healthcare being worsened (eg. cancer, heart disease, still births etc) than any possible saving of lives through lockdown. You are also complicit in the tearing apart of communities and families and all human relationships through the promotion of social distancing. My two young children have no economic, social or cultural future.

I will never vote for you or Labour ever again.

I neither expect nor want a reply.

Kind regards”

279996 T. Prince, replying to T. Prince, 1, #758 of 2196 🔗

This is the latest must see from Ivor.Lots of evidence to hit pro-lockdowners (aka idiots) with.

Man is he getting angry..!!!!..


280013 ▶▶ JHuntz, replying to T. Prince, 6, #759 of 2196 🔗

I used to keep up with the stats. Now I just tell people the response is ridiculous and cannot be justified. Way past even debating it.

280046 ▶▶▶ T. Prince, replying to JHuntz, #760 of 2196 🔗

I usually just reply to pro-lockdown supporters on other sites with this stuff. Up to them then…….

280147 ▶▶▶▶ JHuntz, replying to T. Prince, #761 of 2196 🔗

Good on you man and thanks for the link. I just have little energy to win folk over at this stage.

280267 ▶▶ Nigel Sherratt, replying to T. Prince, 1, #762 of 2196 🔗

Linked here in Round-Up a couple of posts ago. The final slide is a cracker! (Indicates that mask mandate may have sparked resurgence of fatal COVID infection in the summer, most unusual) Sent it to my MP (Minister of State for Social Care) with my email in reponse to her standard BS response to my plea to vote against Incarceration 3 (Tier 3 for Kent).

280351 ▶▶▶ Stringfellow Hawke, replying to Nigel Sherratt, #763 of 2196 🔗

Are you referring to Helen Whately, Nigel? I see there’s a few gaping holes in her answers to questions asked in Parliament. (found on the UK parliament website).
Here’s a corker – “ An assessment of which positive cases do not reflect contagious virus would depend on individual case by case review. PHE has not performed such a review and therefore does not hold this data.” In addition, she has said the false positive rate & any false negative rate is undeclared – they simply do not have the info.

THIS is the whole essence of the shambles and needs to be hit hard…. Because per AG’s FOIA and others, eg. Prof Allyson Pollock on BBC news, a positive PCR is not capable of detecting infectious virus!

PS. You’re not far from my neck of the woods! though my MP is Labour, initially I was hopeful but every email reply mentions her “heavy heart.” Must be weighing her down a tonne by now.

279998 godowneasy, replying to godowneasy, 13, #764 of 2196 🔗

So Matt Hancock has said he will be injected live on TV. Maybe they should get in some A-list celebrity types and do a mass vaccination event – make it part of the BBC news? Oh, and bring in some kids to add credence? And some cannon fodder from a care home? In fact, why not do a kind of Live Aid event at a major stadium (socially distanced of course). And remake the hit single “Do they know it’s Christmas” with the chorus changed to “Inject the world – inject the world”. Crazy idea I know, but anything is possible.

280003 ▶▶ Sam Vimes, replying to godowneasy, 5, #765 of 2196 🔗

And I will go on live TV to assure the public that the moon is made of green cheese.

280010 ▶▶ Will, replying to godowneasy, 9, #766 of 2196 🔗

He will be given a placebo.

280015 ▶▶ kh1485, replying to godowneasy, 3, #767 of 2196 🔗

Don’t give them ideas …

280026 ▶▶ Ben, replying to godowneasy, 9, #768 of 2196 🔗

They think we’re stupid

Will it be the same rushed through, indemnified, iatrogenic inducing effect vaccine destined for the plebs?

I recall the photo shoot of London Mayor Sadiq Khan receiving the self-righteousness vaccine. Close up photos revealed the needle still enclosed in its plastic cap and the aim over his shirt sleeve

Maybe I’m too cynical

280073 ▶▶ Jo Dominich -, replying to godowneasy, 2, #769 of 2196 🔗

Ah but what is it the will be injecting him with Funnily enough the spell check came up with ejecting. Apposite I think. Anyway it will be a placebo not the real thing.

280110 ▶▶ crimsonpirate, replying to godowneasy, 1, #770 of 2196 🔗

do it just before they do the lottery draw live

280452 ▶▶ muzzle, replying to godowneasy, #771 of 2196 🔗

Rita Ora, maybe, to make up for that reckless 30th birthday party she had.

280005 Londo Mollari, replying to Londo Mollari, #772 of 2196 🔗

Does anyone know how they are getting around the cold storage problem?

280081 ▶▶ anon, replying to Londo Mollari, 5, #773 of 2196 🔗

open the windows

280019 Ben, replying to Ben, 7, #775 of 2196 🔗

They think we’re stupid

280028 ▶▶ Ceriain, replying to Ben, 14, #776 of 2196 🔗

“They think we’re stupid”

They know a lot of people are stupid.

Fixed that for you , Ben.

280020 Jonny S., 6, #777 of 2196 🔗

Is history about to repeat itself.

Pandemrix vaccine: why was the public not told of early warning signs?
click on https://doi.org/10.1136/bmj.k3948 for full text.

280023 chaos, replying to chaos, 16, #778 of 2196 🔗

I’m Boris Kemal Johnson. Thwar thwaf 6th form metaphor pause twuffle huffle shakey Blair fist snuffle metaphor puffle pause shakey fist twuffle snuffle duffle pause metaphor tits.

280032 ▶▶ KBuchanan, replying to chaos, 3, #779 of 2196 🔗

Wow you’ve nailed him lol.

280200 ▶▶ mjr, replying to chaos, 3, #780 of 2196 🔗

you missed the bit where he sneaks off to father another child

280027 Viv, 13, #781 of 2196 🔗

the Pfizer/Biontech vaccines have been approved here and will be rolled out ‘next week’, according to the BBC.
Funnily enough, a date in an online German paper (“Did Welt”, since you ask) caught my eye. This report was about when the EU Medicine agency will approve said vaccines. Apparently, they’ll meet ‘on Dec 29th’, by which date they expect to have ‘more data’.
And where will those data come from?
From the open-air trial on British two-legged guinea pigs who are now clamouring to get vaccinated, unknown side effects be d*mned.
Aren’t we lucky to beat the EU in this … and aren’t we lucky to be able to participate , thanks to BJ and MH, in the Western world’s largest vaccine trial! Voluntarily, of course …

280029 Peter, replying to Peter, 3, #782 of 2196 🔗

Given the roll out of the first vaccine is being coordinated by the government and the NHS, I can’t see this being anything other than an utter shambles, especially given the -15C storage conditions. Wouldn’t trust these two entities to successfully run an ice cream van between them so assuming this will be well beyond their capabilities

280807 ▶▶ Spikedee1, replying to Peter, 1, #783 of 2196 🔗

Don’t send this to Handjob as his lightbulb will go off. Ice cream trucks have freezers!! Change the label from rossi’s to Pfizer, play the music we bring the vaccine to you. Okay suggestions needed for the song: the needle and the damage done?

280031 david, replying to david, 7, #784 of 2196 🔗

I know of at least one member of the CRG “reluctantly” voted in favour yesterday because of personal assurance from the PM and HS his constituency would be moved to tier 1 on Dec 16th.

280037 ▶▶ Julian, replying to david, 1, #785 of 2196 🔗

But we’re all in this together, surely?

280055 ▶▶▶ david, replying to Julian, 7, #786 of 2196 🔗

My thoughts exactly. I understand the MP’s logic (no chance of a rebellion working etc etc) but he has basically been bribed.

Unacceptable and because of his unprincipled action has lost my support at the ballot box.

280058 ▶▶▶▶ david, replying to david, 5, #787 of 2196 🔗

And I have told him so.

280067 ▶▶ kh1485, replying to david, 8, #788 of 2196 🔗

And he believed him?

280085 ▶▶ Ceriain, replying to david, 1, #789 of 2196 🔗

It’s been reported (rumour) that Johnson was standing outside the ‘No’ lobby trying to convince rebels to go to the ‘Yes’ lobby. Could be this is what he was doing.

Who’s the MP, david; are you willing to name him?

280098 ▶▶▶ david, replying to Ceriain, 1, #790 of 2196 🔗

It was in private correspondence between a friend and the MP. To identify the MP could identify the friend. Sorry.

280137 ▶▶▶▶ Ceriain, replying to david, #791 of 2196 🔗

Not a problem. 🙂

280107 ▶▶▶ crimsonpirate, replying to Ceriain, 3, #792 of 2196 🔗

I heard he stood there glowering at MP’s as they walked past

280249 ▶▶▶▶ Nigel Sherratt, replying to crimsonpirate, 2, #793 of 2196 🔗

Suggest they glare back and say “Carthago (and Baal Hammon) delenda est”.

280035 Stoic, replying to Stoic, 2, #794 of 2196 🔗

Screenshot of NHS Vaccine Advice

280051 ▶▶ Lms23, replying to Stoic, 1, #795 of 2196 🔗

And it’s precisely that last point that concerns people, but we’re dismissed as “anti cancers” and therefore ignorant lunatics.

Still, if Mike Yeadon is correct, and there’s a possibility that the vaccine could potentially cause female sterility, the only ones in the population who’ll be having children are the bolshy ones who don’t believe the government and pharmaceutical companies.

280075 ▶▶▶ Mabel Cow, replying to Lms23, 3, #796 of 2196 🔗

An anti- Idiocracy !

280100 ▶▶▶▶ Ceriain, replying to Mabel Cow, #797 of 2196 🔗

Looks like a good laugh; need to see if my favourite online ‘supplier’ has a copy.

280374 ▶▶ Two-Six, replying to Stoic, 1, #798 of 2196 🔗

3 points all BOLLOCKS!

280039 Philip Leigh, 1, #799 of 2196 🔗

William Wraggs comment that there is no conspiracy because the British State is not competent to organise such a thing could be taken as evidence that there is indeed a hidden agenda and that you would need less competent minions to carry it out and not ask questions. Certainly the current crop of cabinet ministers is pretty dire and anyone with any sense has been sidelined.

280041 Janice21, replying to Janice21, 5, #800 of 2196 🔗

I see the priority list for the vaccine is out. According to that I would be 6th in line due to having asthma (mild).
I am not anti vax, I got my flu jab a few weeks ago, but I really don’t want to take a vaccine that has not been trialed or tested for a long period of time.
Probably jumping the gun a little but just worried in case there will be some sort of disclaimer when I chose to decline it.

280048 ▶▶ Ceriain, replying to Janice21, 7, #801 of 2196 🔗

Are you your own person? I know I am.

If you are, refuse! It’s that simple; that’s my plan!

Disclaimer? Fuck them!

280044 Ceriain, replying to Ceriain, 12, #802 of 2196 🔗

BBC live feed:

Analysis: What are the risks with a vaccine?

“Life is about balancing risks – the small chances that something bad might happen if you cross the road or don’t wear a face covering or get a new vaccine.”

What a ridiculous opening line? What a ridiculous example to choose; he jumps from crossing the road to a vaccine via the ridiculous mask crap.

BBC – totally bought and paid for propaganda department of the Government.

280057 ▶▶ Darryl, replying to Ceriain, 1, #803 of 2196 🔗

What would you expect, it is the Ministry of Propaganda after all.

The Establishment and BBC have always been closely linked.

280062 ▶▶ Steve Hayes, replying to Ceriain, 6, #804 of 2196 🔗

Life is about balancing risks and the coronavirus presents a vanishingly small risk: average age of coronavirus death is 82.4; life expectancy is 81.

280065 ▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to Ceriain, 5, #805 of 2196 🔗

Life is also about avoiding unnecessary risk. Some may decide the vax protects against an unnecessary risk posed by Covid and others that the vax itself poses an unnecessary risk. Truly free agents are free to choose…

280086 ▶▶ RickH, replying to Ceriain, 6, #806 of 2196 🔗

What the analysis doesn’t say is that if life generally was lived on the sort of risk balance inherent in government NPIs, you’d never cross a road or drive a car.

280180 ▶▶▶ Ovis, replying to RickH, 3, #807 of 2196 🔗

You would starve to death in your soiled bed.

280678 ▶▶ Cranmer, replying to Ceriain, 5, #808 of 2196 🔗

There was some insidious stuff about masks in the MSM reporting of the London protests. At least two articles I read described the crowd as ‘mostly unmasked’. Since there is no requirement to wear a mask outdoors, why is that important? It’s no more relevant than saying most were hatless or not wearing neckties. They are writing that because they want to stress these people are ‘other’.

280705 ▶▶▶ Stringfellow Hawke, replying to Cranmer, 1, #809 of 2196 🔗

Didn’t see any complaints about the ‘mostly unmasked’ at Biden Harris superspreader events, just days after the US Presidential election.!

280825 ▶▶ Spikedee1, replying to Ceriain, 1, #810 of 2196 🔗

Hahahahaha, that’s the scariest thing you can think of not wearing a mask! FFS I have never worn one. God the quicker we kill off the BBC the better we will all be.

280047 chaos, replying to chaos, #811 of 2196 🔗

Parliament.. good grief.

If only Xi Jinping was our PM.

280077 ▶▶ Ben, replying to chaos, 2, #812 of 2196 🔗

He wants to impose QR code vaccine passports on the world. No thanks

280173 ▶▶ Ovis, replying to chaos, 2, #813 of 2196 🔗

In fairness to the CCP, they obviously realised this was a lot of moldy old bollocks early on, and wisely declared victory.

The politicoes and meedja full of admiration for China seem to miss that bit. They actually convince themselves that the pornographic lockdown rubbish ‘worked.’

280059 chaos, replying to chaos, 1, #814 of 2196 🔗

Good god.. parliament right now.. good god. We are fucked.

280084 ▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to chaos, 1, #815 of 2196 🔗

Who is it?

280063 stefarm, replying to stefarm, 14, #816 of 2196 🔗

So, progress today. Had a mechanic call to have a look at my car. Made him a cup of tea, said to him ‘thought you would be avoiding accepting tea from customers’

‘nah, I’m not scared’

Full blown sceptic, knows it’s bollocks. His partner works in a care home. No cases in the home she works, she has weekly tests all negative.

He doesn’t know anybody or who knows anybody who has had it etc etc. Knows someone in the TA, 15 of the regiment had a false+, no symptoms or illness all had to self isolate. All know it’s bollocks.

She is on the list for the you know what, she is not going to be having it!!!

Gave him a couple of my leaflets which he gratefully received and will read and pass on.

280101 ▶▶ Steve Martindale, replying to stefarm, 9, #817 of 2196 🔗

It does seem to be the people in the practical trades, mechanics, electricians, builders estate and forestry workers who do not buy into all this hoo-haa. I guess the clue is in the word ‘practical’ anyone whose job requires them to be practical, realistic and down to earth can readily see this for what it is.
They carried on working through the lockdown and cannot see what all the fuss is about.

280132 ▶▶▶ stefarm, replying to Steve Martindale, 6, #818 of 2196 🔗

Yep, I remember seeing a young chap travelling on the same bus as me who was obviously according to his jumper a scaffolder and was dressed for work. No mask, his attitude was this is all bollocks I spend all day climbing up scaffolding and ladders, I know danger and risk.

280236 ▶▶▶▶ Nigel Sherratt, replying to stefarm, 2, #819 of 2196 🔗

Fit as a butcher’s dog too (unlike dPPE).

280228 ▶▶▶ Freecumbria, replying to Steve Martindale, 4, #820 of 2196 🔗

Yep. Electrician was doing some work in my house. He remarked if we didn’t have the PCR test nobody would know there was anything going on at the moment.

281357 ▶▶▶▶ Ewan Duffy, replying to Freecumbria, #821 of 2196 🔗

True. I have had three different groups of tradesmen around in the last two months (roofer, plumber, attic ladder installer). None of them were buying the official narrative.

280235 ▶▶▶ Nigel Sherratt, replying to Steve Martindale, 3, #822 of 2196 🔗

People unable to work from home and get tax free bonuses.

280064 Hieronimusb, replying to Hieronimusb, 14, #823 of 2196 🔗

Just had a robust exchange with a friend, a retired NHS nurse, who was initially reluctant to view the official narrative with any scepticism but has since, with a little help, become increasingly concerned at the damage being done in the name of public health management, and was deeply shocked by the video footage I took in London last Saturday, although it seems I missed the worst of it. He optimistically welcomes the vaccine solution as a way out of lockdowns etc.; I did my best to point to the highly dubious history of previous coronavirus vaccine development attempts and the petitioning of the EMA yesterday by doctors Yeadon and Wodarg. Finding the common ground between naivety and cynicism can be very challenging indeed! The problem, as we know, is that huge numbers of otherwise rational people still rely mainly on the MSM for information even though they sometimes agree that the information is suspect, at least in part. All too many are defeated by this insidious dilemma, unable to jettison the idea that the MSM output can be trusted to provide trustworthy information and face the world with their own conclusions based on an objective perusal of all the evidence, at least 50% of which has been excluded by the very sources that they are relying on. They have neither the time nor the inclination to do the necessary work to educate themselves, and all too easily reach for the comfort blanket of MSM disseminated Govt. propaganda which, paradoxically in this case, is specifically designed to discomfit. We’ve got a mountain to climb and are going to need the oxygen of a far wider public debate; ultimately, we have to trust that with sustained pressure providence and the unfettered pursuit of verifiable scientific truth will prevail. I’ll keep working on him if he lets me!

280072 ▶▶ Ben, replying to Hieronimusb, 8, #824 of 2196 🔗

Dr Wolfgang Wodarg is an unsung hero

280091 ▶▶▶ jb12, replying to Ben, 7, #825 of 2196 🔗

Was he not the one who released a video in March/April time saying this whole thing was a scam concocted by the WHO?

280097 ▶▶▶▶ Hieronimusb, replying to jb12, 9, #826 of 2196 🔗

He was. He was also responsible for stopping Christian Drosten from doing exactly the same thing in 2008. Great man.

280231 ▶▶▶▶▶ Nigel Sherratt, replying to Hieronimusb, 4, #827 of 2196 🔗

Also Sucharit Bhakdi, spotted them both at corona.film at the time for which I am very grateful.

280494 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Hieronimusb, replying to Nigel Sherratt, #828 of 2196 🔗

Absolutely, I can see a copy of Corona False Alarm? from where I’m sitting.

280066 Art Rose, 4, #829 of 2196 🔗

I feel like I’ve gone insane, when I talk to friends and family there is no common ground. I have had whole conversations where when I complain that ‘this is terrible’ they simply assume that like them I want an even more savage lockdown. I’m unable to articulate the position, only today I told a colleague that ‘if they think I’m following their guidelines for Christmas they can get stuffed’ he nodded sagely and said ‘Yeah 5 days, they’ve gone mad … I could understand 1 day but … I mean… we all have webcams now. Mum and Dad have agreed its not safe’


280069 Ben, replying to Ben, 22, #830 of 2196 🔗
280082 ▶▶ chaos, replying to Ben, #831 of 2196 🔗

I don’t do twitter. Did she tweet that at MP’s? I do hope so.

280071 Victoria, replying to Victoria, 6, #832 of 2196 🔗

People die all the time.

What about people who died/are dying due to a lack of access to proper healthcare (including cancer treatment), people who lost their business, their jobs, their families, their mental health etc?

280076 ▶▶ chaos, replying to Victoria, 5, #833 of 2196 🔗

With or of? The man has no shame.

280087 ▶▶ NorthumbrianNomad, replying to Victoria, 8, #834 of 2196 🔗

The first step-grandfather of a middle aged man in history who has ever died.

280669 ▶▶▶ Cranmer, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, 3, #835 of 2196 🔗

Cut down in the prime of life by this terrible virus, aged only 97.

280837 ▶▶ Spikedee1, replying to Victoria, 2, #836 of 2196 🔗

Saw this on the tv this morning, the whole family all shouted oh fuck off, at the TV. Very moving!

281270 ▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Victoria, #837 of 2196 🔗

He pulled that stunt two minutes before the vote last night!

280079 Les Tricoteuses, 12, #838 of 2196 🔗

Thinking logically…….
Having covid makes you immune
PCR testing has many false positives
Get repeated tests until you fail one
You are now immune
Vaccine not required

280080 Steve Martindale, replying to Steve Martindale, 12, #839 of 2196 🔗

The Health Protection (Coronavirus, Wearing of Face Coverings in a Relevant Place) (England) Regulations 2020 Come up for their 6 month review in January, if this goes through that will ridiculously take compulsory wearing of masks right through into mid Summer. As a seasonal virus wearing a face mask becomes even more pointless when the sun shines and the temperature climbs.
Should we now be looking to get a petition going to press for these regs to be rescinded when they come up for review?
I noticed in Barnstaple this morning, 4 Tesco staff members not wearing masks and sporting a sunshine lanyard plus a similar number of customers, also many people who have stopped wearing their mask over their nose so that they can breathe more easily. I wonder if now is the time to make a push on this? Has anyone produced a facemask realism leaflet that could be handed out? if not did we not ought to think about doing this? I feel there are a few people out there who with a bit of a push would jettison the mask and once a few start…………

280095 ▶▶ Steve, replying to Steve Martindale, 25, #840 of 2196 🔗

Facemasks have been one of the biggest problems I personally have with this whole lockdown madness.

I don’t feel comfortable going anywhere where lots of people are wearing masks – it’s dehumanising, and I refuse to wear one my self so even going shopping (when permitted!) turns into an ordeal.

I’m lucky in that I have a job and can work from home, but I’m virtually a prisoner because I can’t do the things I used to enjoy due to the mask wearing rules. (Not that I can do much of anything anyway due to being in tier 3.)

My wife is now getting issues with the NHS asking her to wear a mask for appointments even when she’s exempt on several grounds.

I agree we should be campaigning to get the mask wearing regulations abolished.

280106 ▶▶▶ Ben, replying to Steve, 9, #841 of 2196 🔗

The NHS have been a disgrace on this issue. The supposedly caring NHS

280162 ▶▶▶ Janice21, replying to Steve, 9, #842 of 2196 🔗

I fully agree, the face masks have annoyed me the most about this all. I can’t bear to go out and see almost everyone wearing one. Dehumanising to say the least.
I cant physically wear one due to my asthma, so have a lanyard. Best of it is, I am the one who has been called a snowflake/bedwetter for not wearing a mask. It has divided people on a sorrowful scale.

280121 ▶▶ arfurmo, replying to Steve Martindale, 3, #843 of 2196 🔗

From the Grauniad “ People living in areas with Covid-19 spread should wear masks in shops, workplaces and schools if ventilation is not adequate , the World Health Organization (WHO) has said.
Health workers could wear N95 masks if available when caring for Covid-19 patients, but the only proven protection is when they are doing aerosol-generating procedures, the UN agency said, updating its previous guidance from June.
I have no idea what the bit that I have put in italics means.
What evidence is there for all this and what is the definition of adequate ventilation?

280205 ▶▶ Leemc23, replying to Steve Martindale, 1, #844 of 2196 🔗

Something lost to the dumb who wear masks / face coverings is that they are not a risk free trade off.

As a layer of protection, with social distancing, hygiene etc there is a potential very small benefit in reducing the possibility of transmission from you to someone else, so it’s right that anyone should be able to judge that risk reduction for themselves and if it helps them to help others then fine. But coercion is dangerous and doing it unnecessary in incorrect environments is ridiculous.

As a stand alone measure, replacing social distancing or hygiene, masks can be bad news. I’ve seen way too many people think a mask is a super power and a stand alone protection. It’s really not. Although I happen to think all the social controls are haphazard at best and without merit. Thinking a mask helps is as valid as taking your teddy bear to work.

I honestly think everyone should have a choice what they do and don’t wear, but the vagueness of the mask must be considered against the real harms it causes, even if the harm is most physiological. And I am yet to see one risk assessment where a health and safety professional has correctly considered that their harm control is causing harm.

And worth remembering that there is no recognised standard for “commercial” masks in the U.K. and as such a lot of purchased masks (tat sold to you by Tesco etc) are produced in non sanitised factories and certainly some are coated in substances such as ethylene oxide, which as the example, would be an insane substance to put close to our mouths however briefly. (( Government text is “Due to the complexity of the different contexts in which COVID-19 can spread and the rapidly changing and growing evidence base on the effectiveness of face masks and coverings, there are currently no UK product standards for face coverings))

To stress again, anyone should be free to wear what they want and I suspect there are enough dummies in the country to see them wearing these idiotic things even if Dorris Johnson says they no longer need to.

Specific to all the Covid emergency powers, don’t they all expire in March regardless of whether they extend the rag law ?

280298 ▶▶▶ Steve Martindale, replying to Leemc23, 2, #845 of 2196 🔗

Item 9 of the face mask regs says;
9. The Secretary of State must review the need for the requirements imposed by these Regulations before the end of the period of six months beginning with the day on which they come into force.
and item 10 says;

10. —(1) These Regulations expire at the end of the period of 12 months beginning with the day on which they come into force.

(2) This regulation does not affect the validity of anything done pursuant to these Regulations before they expire.

So it looks like they run from 24 July 2020 to 24 July 2021 with a review in January 2021.

So with a review coming up next month is it now time for a petition calling on Parliament to rescind these regs when they review them in January?

280083 Victoria, replying to Victoria, 5, #846 of 2196 🔗

Re so-called vaccine safety claim by Dr June Raine CEO, UK regulator MHRA

How do they know? This vaccine has literally no data about what it does to the body beyond 6 months.

The risk however of CV is absolutely tiny.


280092 ▶▶ Victoria, replying to Victoria, 4, #847 of 2196 🔗

Dr. June Raine is CEO of MHRA . Last year she claimed £5,035.69 in expenses to attend a Bill & Melinda Gates meeting regarding the Smart Surveillance (3S). In the same year, the MHRA received a grant worth £292,000 from the Bill & Melinda Gates Foundation:


280243 ▶▶ Ben, replying to Victoria, 2, #848 of 2196 🔗

I class these people as being complicit in crimes against humanity. They belong in jail

280088 Sceptic in Oxford, replying to Sceptic in Oxford, 17, #849 of 2196 🔗

Quick update on my relation who posted on twitter yesterday “I learnt today that only 1700 people without pre-existing conditions have died. How do I respond to this?”

She’d learnt it from me but didn’t know I know she posted it.

I won’t repeat everything but, in summary, she’s very left wing, only reads the Guardian/the BBC, is a full on FBPE Twitterer (so has 4000+ followers all of the same mindset and they block dissent) and she loves “forensic” Kier.

I was initially down about how do we ever get the left to open their eyes.

Well, I think I set a hare running. Overnight, she’s had a over 300 replies: a mix of factually illiterate/innumerate, insulting and (very occasionally given leftwing humour) funny but only because they are so unbelievably stupid. Here’s a selection:

“underlying health conditions can cover anything – I have arthritis in my hip and that would apparently be counted”
“over 5 million people in the UK have asthma”
“these figures look very dodgy and made up”
“tell that tool to go and do something medically and sexually impossible”
“tell that to the families of the 75,000 people here”
“the attitude is of a eugenicit. Ask them if they develop heart disease or cancer if we should treat them or die?”

My personal favourite is: “ask them if they approve the Nazis killing disabled people – 1700 is morally not a million miles from that.”

Logic – all over the place.They seem to fail a basic comprehension point i.e. that I’m saying this is a massive and detrimental overreaction even though I could be the next person to add to the 1700.

However, I’m kind of pleased because I think I’ve set a hare running and I hope she asks for the source which is from the NHS: COVID 19 total announced deaths 26 November 2020 – weekly file

But I don’t think she’ll ask because it would confirm something she doesn’t want to know and she’d prefer to believe any of the above.

So, next time I’ll drop into the exchange something like “Cancer Research reckon 50,000 extra people will die of cancer because of this”.

Someone famous said “first they ignore you (we had that for months and months), then they laugh at you (we’re conspiracy/5G folks), then they fight you (see above), then we win.”

Sorry for the long post but actually feeling better today!

Onwards anti-lockdowners!

280096 ▶▶ RickH, replying to Sceptic in Oxford, 2, #850 of 2196 🔗

She’s certainly not ‘left wing’ if she “ she loves “forensic” Kier.”!

280111 ▶▶ Steve Hayes, replying to Sceptic in Oxford, #851 of 2196 🔗

1700 is how many people typically die each day.

280130 ▶▶▶ Sceptic in Oxford, replying to Steve Hayes, #852 of 2196 🔗

Are we talking at cross purposes? I’m quoting the 1700 from the NHS weekly table which is a cumulative total of deaths of/with covid since March.

Separately, the ONS has all death stats (i.e. people who die of everything) and in 2019 i.e. pre-pandemic the average daily number of deaths is 1500.

280115 ▶▶ Tyneside Tigress, replying to Sceptic in Oxford, 2, #853 of 2196 🔗

Send her to MumsNet – I’m told the metropolitan yummy mummies are starting to panic about the non-mandatory mandatory vaccine!

280117 ▶▶ Sarigan, replying to Sceptic in Oxford, #854 of 2196 🔗

Based on figures from 1st March to June – she may find this interesting also:


All taken from ONS and presented in a visually easy format.

280148 ▶▶▶ Sceptic in Oxford, replying to Sarigan, #855 of 2196 🔗

That’s a really interesting table. Thanks for the link. Sadly, given the level of numeracy I’ve encountered, I think it would go over heads ….

280237 ▶▶ Ben, replying to Sceptic in Oxford, 3, #856 of 2196 🔗

Say millions of people’s liberty has died. As well as those who will die from cancelled medical treatment, perhaps millions.

My rights don’t end where your fear begins

280914 ▶▶ penelope pitstop, replying to Sceptic in Oxford, #857 of 2196 🔗

Good work comrade – keep up the agitation!! 🙂
I posted something on facebook recently and the vitriol abuse back was incredible.
I know both sides of the argument can be feisty but i have to say those on the ‘other side’ as it were are seriously vicious, and sanctimoniously smug thinking they have the moral high ground. But more worrying not able to have a civilised debate or consider alternative viewpoints to have a balanced view from which they can draw their own conclusions. Blinkered to say the least and it’s worrying as pervades many aspects of society/topics.

280089 G.Fawkes, replying to G.Fawkes, 2, #858 of 2196 🔗

“The Benefits Far Outweigh The Risks” – Pfizer COVID Vaccine Wins UK Approval
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280104 ▶▶ Ben, replying to G.Fawkes, 1, #859 of 2196 🔗

The same Pfizer Michael Yeadon presided over

280126 ▶▶▶ G.Fawkes, replying to Ben, #860 of 2196 🔗

The very same. You don’t have to been a good guy to be right from time to time though. Even Stalin had his moments.

280149 ▶▶▶ DavidC, replying to Ben, 2, #861 of 2196 🔗

I worked for a FTSE 100 company (not pharmaceutical) in London for many years. When I joined I was proud to be an employee. when I left in 2016 I was glad to be out of a company that had changed beyond all recognition, and not for the better. I am sure Michael Yeadon might feel the same.


280181 ▶▶▶ Paulus, replying to Ben, 2, #862 of 2196 🔗

Up to 2011 according to his bio.

280125 ▶▶ Mabel Cow, replying to G.Fawkes, 8, #863 of 2196 🔗

We know the risks associated with COVID-19: we’ve had an entire year of worldwide experience of it across 7,800,000,000 people. Summary: not very dangerous.

The quantification of the risk associated with the Pfizer vaccine has been extrapolated from a sample of 30,000 people over the shortest period of time they could possibly get away with.

I fail to see how two pieces of evidence with such widely differing provenance can be compared.

280142 ▶▶▶ G.Fawkes, replying to Mabel Cow, 7, #864 of 2196 🔗

Looking for reason in this farce is a pointless endeavour. The covid clusterfuck omnibus runs on emotions and whoppers.

280090 chaos, replying to chaos, 10, #865 of 2196 🔗

Anyone else listening to PM questions and thinking the wheels are coming off Boris Kemal’s wagon?

280116 ▶▶ thinkaboutit, replying to chaos, 2, #866 of 2196 🔗

It should be the wheels off the bus. He likes buses.

280134 ▶▶ Charlie Blue, replying to chaos, 1, #867 of 2196 🔗

Any highlights to share, Chaos?

280171 ▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to chaos, 4, #868 of 2196 🔗

They all fell off weeks ago. The man is clearly insane

280093 Neil Hartley, replying to Neil Hartley, 12, #869 of 2196 🔗

So the government has approved a vaccine that is subject to an appeal to the EU as it can cause allergic reaction leading to death as well as infertility in women. Tally Ho! Boris.

280118 ▶▶ Charlie Blue, replying to Neil Hartley, 1, #870 of 2196 🔗

What’s the source please?

280195 ▶▶▶ Suzyv, replying to Charlie Blue, 1, #871 of 2196 🔗

Mike Yeadon’s and Dr Wodarg’s petition. Here it is again. Worth signing. The more the better. https://2020news.de/en/dr-wodarg-and-dr-yeadon-request-a-stop-of-all-corona-vaccination-studies-and-call-for-co-signing-the-petition/

280094 Les Tricoteuses, replying to Les Tricoteuses, 2, #872 of 2196 🔗

On a serious note, I have two relatives with auto immune diseases and haven’t been able to find any research about the risks involved of this vaccine. Does anyone know of any literature on this subject.

280102 ▶▶ Ben, replying to Les Tricoteuses, 7, #873 of 2196 🔗

Start with aluminium adjuvants. But I don’t know what kind of adjuvants are in this one. I shan’t be taking it. We can’t undo a vaccine

280109 ▶▶▶ Les Tricoteuses, replying to Ben, 1, #874 of 2196 🔗

They have had some jabs but been advised against others, I know BCG was one they shouldn’t have but can’t remember others . Will check out aluminium. Thanks

280141 ▶▶▶ DavidC, replying to Ben, 3, #875 of 2196 🔗

I don’t know what adjuvants might be in the Covid ‘vaccines’, generally in vaccines I think they’re aluminium salts (Aluminium Hydroxide), not Aluminium metal, but certainly I did see a video the other day of a few years ago, an American paediatric doctor saying that the nanoparticles used in vaccines had been found in the brains of animal research studies.


280189 ▶▶▶ Suzyv, replying to Ben, 3, #876 of 2196 🔗

I would like to see the inserts for these vaccines. What are the exact ingredients. All I have see so far is wishy washy from msm about some of the things contained n other vaccines. Has anyone come across an actual insert?

280113 ▶▶ thinkaboutit, replying to Les Tricoteuses, 1, #878 of 2196 🔗

I have the same issue and can’t find information on it. I suspect if you had AI disease you’d be excluded from any clinical trial, so we may not know till more people are vaccinated.

280136 ▶▶▶ Les Tricoteuses, replying to thinkaboutit, 1, #879 of 2196 🔗

Not a good idea then

280153 ▶▶ Victoria, replying to Les Tricoteuses, 3, #880 of 2196 🔗

Pfizer’s COVID-19 vaccine is relying on novel mRNA technology that has never previously been used in vaccines. It essentially instructs your cells to make the SARS-CoV-2 spike protein, which is what attaches to the ACE2 receptor of the cell. This is the first stage of the two-stage process viruses use to gain entry into cells.


mRNA (messenger RNA) instructs your DNA and as a result tampers with your DNA. There is no data on how long these instructions will continue and what damage could be caused. You cannot detox this vaccine – permanent change.

These mRNA vaccines also uses nano technology – do research on the damage that can do to your body

Auto immune diseases develop over time (years) but is a known side effect of vaccines

280179 ▶▶▶ Suzyv, replying to Victoria, 4, #881 of 2196 🔗

I think people need to take note “you cannot detox from this vaccine- permanent change”. I think most people are completely unaware of this.

280287 ▶▶▶ Les Tricoteuses, replying to Victoria, 1, #882 of 2196 🔗

I know having one auto immune desease pre disposes you to others, so given that one relative has one and the other has two this could trigger others in them?

280175 ▶▶ Suzyv, replying to Les Tricoteuses, 4, #883 of 2196 🔗

I have read in the past that the increase in autoimmune illnesses is actually (partly) due to over use of pharmaceuticals which obviously includes vaccinations. How true this is I can’t say. I would be extremely hesitant if I had an auto immune disease. This is well worth reading, put out by Dr Mike Yeadon & Dr Wodarg yesterday. It is quite short and nicely sets out some of their concerns regarding this vaccine. It is actually quite worrying indeed what they say. https://2020news.de/en/dr-wodarg-and-dr-yeadon-request-a-stop-of-all-corona-vaccination-studies-and-call-for-co-signing-the-petition/

280226 ▶▶ Mutineer, replying to Les Tricoteuses, 4, #884 of 2196 🔗

I had my own health ruined when forced to have a BCG jab whilst working for the NHS. It gave me a massive autoimmune response and I have now been sick for 20 years. I’ve spent these years researching vaccines and would NEVER have another. I’d have to be dragged screaming from my home. I honestly believe that over vaccination is the cause of autism, asthma etc which were all uncommon until mass combined vaccines for conditions unlikely to happen. Vaccination was meant to be about health and NOT profit. More are damaged and killed from vaccines than are protected. We’ve all lived with flu (because of my ruined immunity I spent weeks in hospital with pneumonia a few years ago) and the flu vaccine is pathetically inefficient and this Covid one will be no different. That is, until they start adding the ‘magic’ ingredients for different groups. Contraception, chips etc. it’s the aim.

280270 ▶▶▶ Les Tricoteuses, replying to Mutineer, 2, #885 of 2196 🔗

My relative was lucky to be diagnosed with auto immune before BCG age. Sorry to hear it’s been bad for you

280321 ▶▶ Felice, replying to Les Tricoteuses, 1, #886 of 2196 🔗

I have the same issue. My eldest sister has Parkinsons, my elder sister has Guillain-Barre syndrome and my younger sister has MS. We all had whooping cough as very young children. (my youngest sister was 4 weeks old, my oldest was 8). I feel very vulnerable with respect to any of these jabs.

280114 Ian, replying to Ian, 10, #887 of 2196 🔗

I have been reading the coerced vaccine debate – either implied or enforced – on here and Twitter and I’m really concerned that, regardless of any ‘promises’ made or sought by even well intentioned politicians (Swayne, Baker et al) there is now an inevitability. Once you accept, and all politicians seem to have, across the world, that the only way to protect the vulnerable, keep people safe, is through a vaccine then, inevitably if you cannot prove you have had it you cannot prove that you are able to protect ‘the vulnerable’. So we will need to show proof to be able to live. Even if, and it’s a big one, our government legislated that it wasn’t necessary, other countries will insist on proof before letting you visit. Without sounding, I hope, too conspiratorial, now that Wales have said they will issue ‘a credit size card’ how long before Wales, closely followed no doubt by Scotland, insist on proof of vaccine as a condition of entry – even with all of the immense difficulties of policing it? I see no concerted international efforts to secure the ability of people to travel freely, just the opposite in fact. I’m not a conspiracy theorist. I don’t believe that this has been thought up in advance by some evil mastermind. I just think it is the inevitable conclusion of a series of short term policy decisions that have been taken without any thought for how this will end. I am not convinced that politicians even see it now. I hope I’m wrong. Please somebody tell me I am!

280131 ▶▶ Steve Hayes, replying to Ian, 16, #888 of 2196 🔗

Being vaccinated does not protect other people. An effective vaccine confers immunity from the disease on the vaccinated individual. It does not stop the vaccinated individual from coming into contact with the infectious agent, nor does it prevent a vaccinated individual from passing the infectious agent on. Vaccination is a clinical treatment, it is not a public health measure.

280135 ▶▶▶ DavidC, replying to Steve Hayes, 1, #889 of 2196 🔗

The vaccinations for Covid alleviate symptoms, they don’t immunise in the classic vaccination meaning.


280525 ▶▶▶▶ Steve Hayes, replying to DavidC, 3, #890 of 2196 🔗

It is not the classic definition of the word; it is the definition of the word. If it does not confer immunity from the disease, it is not a vaccine. Yet another example of them messing with words.

281189 ▶▶▶▶▶ DavidC, replying to Steve Hayes, 1, #891 of 2196 🔗

That was the point I was making but I prefer your wording Steve!


280143 ▶▶▶ John P, replying to Steve Hayes, 1, #892 of 2196 🔗

NO. A vaccine – if it works – prevents someone from becoming infected in the first place.

You cannot pass on a virus that you are not infected by.

280527 ▶▶▶▶ Steve Hayes, replying to John P, #893 of 2196 🔗

This is simply wrong. A vaccine cannot (magically) prevent an individual from coming into contact with the infectious agent, nor can it stop the vaccinated person from passing that agent on to others.

280164 ▶▶▶ DJ Dod, replying to Steve Hayes, 5, #894 of 2196 🔗

My understanding is that the vaccine doesn’t even confer immunity – all it does is reduce the symptoms, i.e. leads to a milder infection. Given that most people need a test to establish whether or not they have had Covid at all, it’s hard not to see the main purpose of the vaccine being as a ‘Get out of jail free’ card for the Government.

The back-slapping has already begun – see Matt Hancock’s self-congratulation this morning – and will continue relentlessly. The full force of the Government and BBC will get behind the message that all the sacrifices were worth it in order to ‘keep us all safe’ until the ‘cavalry’ arrived. I’m feeling queasy already.

280246 ▶▶▶▶ Ceriain, replying to DJ Dod, #895 of 2196 🔗

My understanding is that the vaccine doesn’t even confer immunity

Not according to the doctor at the press conference this morning:

Prof Sir Munir Pirmohamed says people will be immune seven days after the second dose .

There will be partial immunity after the first dose, he says, explaining they have
seen some protection occurring after day 12 of the first dose.

280156 ▶▶ Hieronimusb, replying to Ian, 7, #896 of 2196 🔗

Can’t help very much I’m afraid. While a single overarching conspiracy can be discounted, there is obvious ‘convergent opportunism’ as referred to by Dr Mike Yeadon and others. The vaccine issue, which is an unnecessary and highly risky solution on a number of grounds in any case, will be a matter of personal choice if a mass roll out takes place as currently seems inevitable. I live in Wales and will point blank refuse to have it, no matter what the effects are on my freedom to travel etc. The Hippocratic oath is being leapfrogged in order to frogmarch us into taking a drug with unknown consequences.

280165 ▶▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to Hieronimusb, 1, #897 of 2196 🔗


280227 ▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to Hieronimusb, 3, #898 of 2196 🔗

While a single overarching conspiracy can be discounted, …

Makes an awful lot of people feel better to do so, that’s for sure.

280486 ▶▶▶▶ Hieronimusb, replying to JohnB, 2, #899 of 2196 🔗

Don’t worry, I’m fully aware of what the WEF and fellow travellers are up to.

280269 ▶▶ Felice, replying to Ian, 3, #900 of 2196 🔗

I wish I could tell you that you are wrong, but I fear it will be creeping enforcement.
You wonder about policing – that’s easy. Every hotel you stay in will insist on the card. Same when you want to eat out in a restaurant. The government will get businesses to do their dirty work for them, and fine them if they don’t or get it wrong.

280120 Victoria, replying to Victoria, 4, #901 of 2196 🔗

NHS Million – we exist to show ongoing support to all the NHS staff across the country who care for a million patients every day. Unofficial but run by NHS staff.

Their attack on Laurence Fox when he said NHS not fit for purpose if they can’t handle the Covid patients….


280146 ▶▶ Leemc23, replying to Victoria, 6, #902 of 2196 🔗

I might join his party just to push back on the worship of the NHS.

280241 ▶▶▶ Victoria, replying to Leemc23, 1, #903 of 2196 🔗

I am definitely joining his Reclaim party

280124 George Mc, replying to George Mc, 3, #905 of 2196 🔗


A tier system? How dare they! Lock the bastards up! All of them! Lock them up till they have a big penile syringe ready to ram the vax up everyone’s arse! (And when the side effects kill some, we’ll just blame capitalist incompetence!)

And whoever would have thought the only reasonable statement in this wretched article would come from a Tory?:

“Speaking about the number of deaths of elderly people of coronavirus, and whether the government could “protect every old person,” Tory MP Sir Charles Walker felt able to state openly, “No government can abolish death, it is impossible–615,000 people die every year in this country and not every death is a tragedy… Please can we change the narrative when we talk about death? Not all deaths are equal—there is the same outcome, but to compare the death of someone of 90 with the death of someone of 19 is not right.”

Yes isn’t it disgusting that this Tory git FELT ABLE TO STATE OPENLY this bleeding obvious FACT OF LIFE?!

280133 ▶▶ DavidC, replying to George Mc, #906 of 2196 🔗

Total deaths this year (from the ONS figures) to date are just over 540,000 with four weeks to go. UK population is 14% higher than 2000. If this was a true pandemic (the WHO lowered the bar and changed the definition prior to 2010) and at epidemic levels in the UK we would not be on target for a STANDARD YEAR’S DEATHS!


280139 ▶▶ John P, replying to George Mc, 5, #907 of 2196 🔗

Sir Charles Walker is not a “Tory Git” George.

280170 ▶▶▶ DavidC, replying to John P, 2, #908 of 2196 🔗

Agree. He’s been one of the few voices of reason on this farce.


280303 ▶▶▶▶ George Mc, replying to DavidC, #909 of 2196 🔗

And that’s the point I was making. Scepticism has been associated with the Right – and I think deliberately so.

280183 ▶▶▶ George Mc, replying to John P, #910 of 2196 🔗

I’m phrasing it in the sense of the Left wing mentality that the website is aimed at. It’s an important point since I think the whole Covid scam is powered by this Left/Right divide. If you are a “progressive ” then the virus story is taken as gospel – which is part of the propaganda

280230 ▶▶ Ben, replying to George Mc, 1, #911 of 2196 🔗

I’ve been reading about the French revolution. Treat innocent people like criminals and remove their liberty and livelihood and something will have to give

280127 Ceriain, 3, #912 of 2196 🔗


280129 Just about sane, replying to Just about sane, 4, #913 of 2196 🔗

Scotland will start vaccines from Tuesday next week. If the comments are anything to go by, we who don’t see the need nor want this vaccine needn’t worry as this lot are going to push you out the way to get there first. Carry on I say.
However we needn’t get complacent once or even if they actually manage to get this vaccine out, as this guy is on BBC Scotland telling us that we won’t get rid of these ‘restrictions’ until almost everybody has the vaccine.


280150 ▶▶ JHuntz, replying to Just about sane, 1, #914 of 2196 🔗

My fellow scots are a clever bunch.

280220 ▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to JHuntz, 2, #915 of 2196 🔗

who voted in Sturgeon …

280232 ▶▶▶ Ceriain, replying to JHuntz, #916 of 2196 🔗


280292 ▶▶▶▶ JHuntz, replying to Ceriain, 1, #917 of 2196 🔗


280144 Leemc23, replying to Leemc23, 5, #918 of 2196 🔗

Re the vaccine. Surely it will simply end up like the Pneumococcal vaccine that’s given routinely to the 65+
Age group. The issue for anyone under 60/70 is so small as to not really matter. Taking emotion out of this I really can’t see any justification for anyone under 65 getting a jab if everyone over 65 is at least offered the jab when they want it. Covid is, data based, a problem for the older age group.

280158 ▶▶ Charlie Blue, replying to Leemc23, 1, #919 of 2196 🔗

I wonder whether they would also prefer for the clinically obese to have the jab – and that might make sense. However, that would be viewed as fat-shaming, so they have to push it for everyone?

280174 ▶▶▶ Leemc23, replying to Charlie Blue, 3, #920 of 2196 🔗

Looks to me that Diabetes is the biggest risk in terms of co morbidity so maybe that might be a group to prioritise too. Fatter people should be helped and incentives given to lose weight I feel.

280247 ▶▶▶▶ Tyneside Tigress, replying to Leemc23, 1, #921 of 2196 🔗

Losing weight and adjusting your diet is a very good way for many to manage their diabetes. It can be done, it just needs the will to do it, and for many, support while doing it.

280337 ▶▶▶▶ Freecumbria, replying to Leemc23, 1, #922 of 2196 🔗

Unfortunately another area that’s controlled by big pharma and in this case the food industry with all their conflicts of interest finding their way into things like the dietary guidelines

Diabetics and pre-diabetes should be offered a supported choice of a low carbohydrate high healthy fat (LCHF) diet. Essentially type 2 diabetes is a developed carbohydrate intolerance and the obvious solution of keeping carbs very low works to put it into remission in many cases. You only have to look at what Dr David Unwin has achieved at his surgery in Stockport and Virta Health have done in America to realise this works, the evidence is unequivocal.

If you’ve been impressed by Ivor Cummins in relation to covid then read his evidence based book which he wrote with Dr Jeffry Gerber ‘Eat Rich Live Long’ it explains it all there. Actually met Ivor briefly at the Real Food Rocks festival in Ambleside last year, totally decent bloke.

Being metabolically healthy which is where eating LCHF takes you to, is great protection against the very small risk of being seriously affected by covid-19. Aseem Malhotra has been excellent advocating that.

280370 ▶▶▶ Lisa (formerly) from Toronto, replying to Charlie Blue, 8, #923 of 2196 🔗

One of the many problems is that the people who are most at risk of Covid complications are the same people for whom the vaccine is riskiest. The older we become, the less of an immune response we are able to mount — whether to a wild virus or a vaccine — and those who have inflammation and are metabolically unhealthy are also more prone to adverse reactions to a vaccine (cytokine storm, etc.). Then you’re left with vaccinating people for whom the vaccine is far riskier than Covid, like young adults and children. It’s a catastrophe in the making.

280145 FlynnQuill, replying to FlynnQuill, 4, #924 of 2196 🔗

Just been sent this by my wife (pharmacist). This is the only info she can find. It’s just full of nothing. “the Vaccine appears to be safe”! Well, that’s great if it appears to be safe, that’s me sold then.



280155 ▶▶ Ben, replying to FlynnQuill, 2, #925 of 2196 🔗

Which is why it’s been rushed through testing and granted indemnity. Because it’s so safe

280167 ▶▶▶ DavidC, replying to Ben, 2, #926 of 2196 🔗

And why the pharmaceutical companies are free of any liability and why, if anything goes wrong, the taxpayers (US) have to foot the bill. Outrageous.


280187 ▶▶ Ceriain, replying to FlynnQuill, 3, #927 of 2196 🔗

These models assume an available vaccine is both safe and effective in older adults.

Models? Assume? Scary stuff!

280193 ▶▶▶ FlynnQuill, replying to Ceriain, 3, #928 of 2196 🔗

What do they say? “Assumption is the mother of all fuck ups”.

280523 ▶▶▶ A. Contrarian, replying to Ceriain, 1, #929 of 2196 🔗

If they’re models along the lines of all the other models we’ve been subjected to, we should be very afraid.

280197 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to FlynnQuill, 3, #930 of 2196 🔗

God help the NHS workers who line up for it. I mean, personal hesitancy aside, it’s been approved and will be rolled out in such a fast time there is no way such first comers would have had time to make an informed decision. Its a just close your eyes and think of home moment.

280255 ▶▶▶ FlynnQuill, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 6, #931 of 2196 🔗

We’ll my wife’s surgery are refusing to administer it.

280333 ▶▶▶▶ Ceriain, replying to FlynnQuill, 3, #932 of 2196 🔗

Brave woman, your wife is Flynn; I really like her. 😉

Can I just say thank you to you, and your wife, for all the info you/she post here; it’s very helpful. 🙂

280154 JHuntz, replying to JHuntz, 14, #933 of 2196 🔗

Lockdown Sceptics got 1,594,371 pageviews during the month of November.

Well done Toby what a fantastic resource you have provided. Anyone with a spare few bob please donate to the site (top right hand side of the page)!

280184 ▶▶ PWL, replying to JHuntz, -7, #934 of 2196 🔗

Like any good merchant, there’s plenty of Covid-19 on the shelves to draw in the punters.

Beyond that, it’s of no use to man nor beast.

280264 ▶▶ calchas, replying to JHuntz, 2, #935 of 2196 🔗

Yes. Great stuff.

280344 ▶▶ peter, replying to JHuntz, -6, #936 of 2196 🔗

Toby was born with a silver spoon in his mouth, he doesn’t need any our money.

280372 ▶▶ leggy, replying to JHuntz, 1, #937 of 2196 🔗

That’s just me refreshing the comments.

281034 ▶▶ dommo, replying to JHuntz, #938 of 2196 🔗

but the scary thing is that even if that were 1594371 different people (which it definitely wasn’t) that leaves about 50.5 million adults in the uk who’ve probably never even heard of the site

280168 ▶▶ Ben, replying to PWL, #940 of 2196 🔗

Has Michael Yeadon spoken out about this?

280378 ▶▶ Jonathan Smith, replying to PWL, #942 of 2196 🔗

Less an exegesis of the vaccine trials and more of a speculation about the circus that surrounds the announcement.

280160 George L, replying to George L, 7, #943 of 2196 🔗

Anybody taking that Covid vaccine needs their head examined. Don’t take my word for it, ask Dr Mike Yeadon and Dr Wodburg..


280285 ▶▶ peter, replying to George L, 5, #944 of 2196 🔗

The claimed mad cow disease was caused by cows eating other cows and now they want us to inject dead babies into ourselves. 🤣

280343 ▶▶ Lisa (formerly) from Toronto, replying to PWL, 4, #946 of 2196 🔗

Unless you literally drop dead immediately after getting the vaccine they will try to claim there is no connection between any adverse reaction and the vaccine. I believe we will have to see tens of thousands (or more) “coincidental” neurological problems arise before the fuckwits concede that perhaps the vaccine isn’t safe for some people.

280163 Ben, replying to Ben, 7, #947 of 2196 🔗

We are livestock to be branded

There’s nothing good about a QR code culture that tracks and controls our every move. No one wins except the tech company shareholders


280172 ▶▶ stefarm, replying to Ben, 5, #948 of 2196 🔗

QR codes are very dangerous

280166 karenovirus, replying to karenovirus, 13, #949 of 2196 🔗

Jeremy Vine “Will we be able to chose which vaccine! ?”

Bad Doctor Sarah Jarvis ‘Not exactly but you will be able to see which trusts are using which vaccine’.

A listener calls
“well Jeremy anyone who don’t take the vaccine shouldn’t be treated if they get the Covid its beyond me why anyone would not want a vaccine against the worst disease in the world”.

To be fair JV cut him short.

280198 ▶▶ PWL, replying to karenovirus, 2, #950 of 2196 🔗
280216 ▶▶ JohnB, replying to karenovirus, 1, #951 of 2196 🔗

Being fair would have been loud and raucous laughter. 🙂

280412 ▶▶▶ karenovirus, replying to JohnB, #952 of 2196 🔗

JV barely muffled a snort (of derision?) when cutting the guy off.

280217 ▶▶ Ceriain, replying to karenovirus, 3, #953 of 2196 🔗

the worst disease in the world

They’ve obviously never heard of Cancer, Heart Disease, AIDS, Alzheimers, MS, etc .

280259 ▶▶▶ calchas, replying to Ceriain, 4, #954 of 2196 🔗

Actually, my dandruff is getting out of hand.

Maybe, we could have a caccine for that?

280408 ▶▶▶▶ karenovirus, replying to calchas, #955 of 2196 🔗

How do you know Lord Mountbatten had dandruff ?

280336 ▶▶▶ Lisa (formerly) from Toronto, replying to Ceriain, 3, #956 of 2196 🔗

Perhaps the vaccine will cause one of those and that moron can put things in perspective.

280417 ▶▶▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Lisa (formerly) from Toronto, 1, #957 of 2196 🔗

JV likes to allow a Mr Angry from ‘oop north’ to express an outlier opinion of which he disapproves.

280376 ▶▶▶ leggy, replying to Ceriain, 2, #958 of 2196 🔗

Ebola, polio, TB, meningitis, the list goes on…

280419 ▶▶▶▶ karenovirus, replying to leggy, 3, #959 of 2196 🔗

28 things you are more likely to die of than the brutal Covid at the moment apparently.

280512 ▶▶▶▶▶ Ceriain, replying to karenovirus, 1, #960 of 2196 🔗

Is it now that far down the list, k?

280398 ▶▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Ceriain, #961 of 2196 🔗

JV ‘it’s not actually Ebola’

280223 ▶▶ Will, replying to karenovirus, 2, #962 of 2196 🔗

How can it possibly be ethical for some people to get one vaccine rather than another?

280380 ▶▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Will, #963 of 2196 🔗

Informed choice will not be an issue.

280224 ▶▶ Ben, replying to karenovirus, 6, #964 of 2196 🔗

Jeremy Vine is complicit. Face masks on children is child abuse. If I remember correctly, Dr Jarvis advocated for face masks for children

The television in the corner of the room is our enemy

280262 ▶▶▶ calchas, replying to Ben, 5, #965 of 2196 🔗

They don’t call it ‘programming’ for nothing.

280436 ▶▶▶▶ karenovirus, replying to calchas, #966 of 2196 🔗

He knows the role he is expected to play but I think he deliberately undermines it.

280405 ▶▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Ben, #967 of 2196 🔗

I think he likes to play devils advocate though he is wedded to the corporate teat.

280176 Stuart, 6, #968 of 2196 🔗

Testing on a few million masked and fearful guinea-pigs will begin shortly.

The vaccine is safe until proven otherwise. Wait and see.

280177 BeBopRockSteady, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 2, #969 of 2196 🔗

Austria& Switzerland.
Two neighboring European countries, perfectly symmetrical curve.
Maybe these two countries also have the same measures?
Switzerland: No Lockdown, schools open!


280477 ▶▶ Silke David, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 1, #970 of 2196 🔗

Whereas Austria has gone lockdown crazy, with a curfew and is now embarking on mass testing.
Switzerland’s government structure, with a much more involved citizen participation on important decisions, is most likely one reason why they kept the country more “open”.

280188 Ozzie, replying to Ozzie, 3, #971 of 2196 🔗

I am sure that this must have already been posted:

Coronavirus vaccine from Pfizer and BioNTech approved by regulators in the UK for roll out in days | Daily Mail Online

Interesting co-incidence given last night’s vote and the dwindling support of the government.

280296 ▶▶ Anothersceptic2, replying to Ozzie, 1, #972 of 2196 🔗

It’s almost like they have it all planned out…

280191 Mr Dee, replying to Mr Dee, 12, #973 of 2196 🔗

Wales brings in ‘immunity passports’: People will get ID-style cards to prove they have had coronavirus vaccine amid fears pubs and shops will demand to see them before letting people in

Medical apartheid coming to Wales. I await my pariah status.

280204 ▶▶ assoc, replying to Mr Dee, 16, #974 of 2196 🔗

Surely this represents coercion into having the vaccine and is against the UN Nuremberg declaration. One for the lawyers.

280209 ▶▶▶ JHuntz, replying to assoc, 7, #975 of 2196 🔗

I presume there is a get out of Nuremberg just like there was a get out of our human rights. This whole thing has made a mockery of hard fought legal rights.

280240 ▶▶▶▶ mikewaite, replying to JHuntz, 3, #976 of 2196 🔗

There may be a get-out, but it would have to be argued in courts and will certain politicians and “scientists” want to see their devious behaviour and possible collusion with vaccine distributers exposed to public scrutiny?.

280465 ▶▶▶ Silke David, replying to assoc, #977 of 2196 🔗

Ch5 had a documentary about the Nuremberg trial on yesterday.

280207 ▶▶ JHuntz, replying to Mr Dee, 4, #978 of 2196 🔗

As I suspected the sheeple who have allowed this to get out of hand will be the first back to normality. Unbelievable.

280215 ▶▶▶ Ben, replying to JHuntz, 2, #979 of 2196 🔗

Until something goes wrong with their QR code, or they forget their phone and they suddenly realise they can’t travel or meet up with their mates at the local pub. They will stand on the platform and wave their friends off alone

281297 ▶▶▶▶ Ewan Duffy, replying to Ben, #980 of 2196 🔗

Given the hullabaloo about people being denied boarding on Ryanair due to not having printed boarding passes, or not wanting to pay for overweight baggage, I can only imagine the reaction when people are denied boarding because there is a flaw with their vaccination cert.

280244 ▶▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to JHuntz, 6, #981 of 2196 🔗

A card to prove vaccination is not normality

280252 ▶▶▶ calchas, replying to JHuntz, 4, #982 of 2196 🔗

I wish I could be as confident as you that anybody is going back to normality.

280286 ▶▶▶▶ JHuntz, replying to calchas, #983 of 2196 🔗

poor choice of words – closest to normality i guess

280328 ▶▶▶ Lisa (formerly) from Toronto, replying to JHuntz, 10, #984 of 2196 🔗

And where does it end? Why wouldn’t a flu shot be mandatory? Yesterday I saw a commercial on TV for the Prevnar vaccine for over 50s to prevent pneumococcal pneumonia, cause why only vaccinate kids when you can expand your market. What if you never got the Hep B set of shots? It stands to reason that everyone on the planet could have to be vaccinated and/or re-vaccinated for all kinds of stuff, and all at the same time, if you hope to have a life outside your four walls. This is seriously the most frightening thing I’ve ever faced and, like all of you, I saw it coming back in the spring. My only surprise is how quickly it has happened.

280208 ▶▶ Ben, replying to Mr Dee, 12, #985 of 2196 🔗

An attack on civil liberties that benefits no one save the vaccine manufacturers, the tech companies and their shareholders.

I expect human rights lawyers and the campaign group Liberty to remain silent – spineless, complicit jellyfish

Humans are being held hostage for profits whilst governments get to snoop on every aspect of our lives

280210 ▶▶▶ JHuntz, replying to Ben, 8, #986 of 2196 🔗

Yet, if it was a jihadi bride they would fight to their last breath.

280218 ▶▶ Will, replying to Mr Dee, 4, #987 of 2196 🔗

The lawyers must be rubbing their hands in glee at such a suggestion.

280511 ▶▶ A. Contrarian, replying to Mr Dee, 2, #988 of 2196 🔗

So, to stop pubs and shops from unfairly demanding ID cards, they’ll make it compulsory to have an ID card? And so admitting that anyone unvaccinated will not be allowed entry?!

280199 Fingerache Philip., replying to Fingerache Philip., 17, #989 of 2196 🔗

Jonathan Sumption on C4 news last night:” Stop treating people like cretins”, problem is that a hell of a lot of people like, even love being treated like cretins!!

280213 ▶▶ Hieronimusb, replying to Fingerache Philip., 2, #990 of 2196 🔗

Looking on the bright side, the millions of unemployed who in desperation take to knocking on doors offering to wipe your backside for a few pence should do alright.

280508 ▶▶ A. Contrarian, replying to Fingerache Philip., #991 of 2196 🔗

I don’t think they do, I think they like other people to be treated like cretins while telling themselves that it doesn’t apply to them, because they’re not stupid like the rest of us.

281027 ▶▶ dommo, replying to Fingerache Philip., #992 of 2196 🔗

a lot of them (at least half) actually are cretins

280212 Will, replying to Will, 6, #993 of 2196 🔗

My understanding is this vaccine has not been proven to stop transmission. Am I correct in that understanding?

280234 ▶▶ Londo Mollari, replying to Will, 5, #994 of 2196 🔗


280266 ▶▶ p02099003, replying to Will, 7, #995 of 2196 🔗

I believe that is the case.
My personal concern is the potential effect on the immune system.
I don’t think that there will be many adverse reactions in young people, after all they show few or zero symptoms from the virus itself.

The real issue is going to be the over 70’s.

“At the same time, signs of an active immune response – cytokines, clotting factors and other inflammatory molecules – are often found at higher levels in the blood of elderly people, even when there are no overt signs of infection. This phenomenon is sometimes called ‘inflamm-ageing’. There are many reasons why a low level of background inflammation might persist in elderly people, such as there being an accumulation of damaged or senescent cells,
but the effect is that the system is less able to discriminate between germs and the body’s own cells and tissues, and is particularly weak at detecting germs that have never been encountered before. In broad-brush terms, it is easier for an immune reaction to be triggered in elderly people but, by the same token, the system is less stringent in responding appropriately. Crucially, this means that older people have more of their immune cells devoted to battling previously encountered infections, leaving fewer immune cells available for the fight against new infections. The Beautiful Cure: The New Science of Human Health by Daniel M Davis

I would suggest that because of this heightened state of the immune system in older people then there is a significant possibility of their immune system attacking the body itself, leading to clotting disorders, cytokine storm, reduced blood pressure, fever or hypothermia and other signs and symptoms of sepsis. There are no figures for the number of deaths in the spring that were due to septicaemia and how many were due to bacterial pneumonia (which could also lead to septicaemia). The side effects that were associated with the AstraZeneca vaccine were also autoimmune disorders.

If this virus has been around for 12 months then I would postulate that the vast majority of the population have been exposed to it and have developed immunity that the vaccination is supposed to give. Note this is the previously maligned T cells not antibodies

280327 ▶▶ William Hand, replying to Will, 1, #996 of 2196 🔗

Hope so. Otherwise it will be our civic duty to have it.

280349 ▶▶ Lms23, replying to Will, #997 of 2196 🔗

Possibly. Who knows? Insufficient information is available about it, but the PTB are pushing it regardless.

280352 ▶▶ SweetBabyCheeses, replying to Will, 1, #998 of 2196 🔗

I don’t understand how they even test for this without seriously rejigging the parameters of what counts as a “case”. The PCR tests are so flawed with false positives, contamination, running too many cycles, catching other Coronaviruses(?) etc. I guess to check you’ve not passed it on they’d have to do tests on all your asymptomatic associates…but as we know that can flag up loads of “cases” that aren’t true infections.
Would be really intrigued to see what their parameters are to determine onward infectivity…

280219 Cecil B, 9, #999 of 2196 🔗

A fake solution to a fake problem dreamt up by a fake leader and snake oil salesmen

The victims will be defrauded out of billions by big pharma

There is every chance the pig dictator and big pharma may get away with this

280221 calchas, replying to calchas, 18, #1000 of 2196 🔗

If we could converse with wild animals and discuss the pros and cons of life in a zoo versus life in the wild, then what would they say? Perhaps many, the covidians, would prefer a life behind bars, on furlough or Universal Basic Income. a safe but unfree life, where they wouldn’t have to think for themselves. Netflix perhaps in a corner of the cage.

Sceptics prefer freedom. Life in the wild. Life as it should be.

The only life there really is.

That’s the difference – a covidian is too scared to live.

280261 ▶▶ William Gruff, replying to calchas, #1001 of 2196 🔗

‘ … a covidian is too scared to live .’

Yet doing the decent thing and putting them out of our misery is a criminal offence.

280308 ▶▶ Barney McGrew, replying to calchas, 3, #1002 of 2196 🔗

Netflix perhaps in a corner of the cage.

Do we think that Netflix might eventually lose its appeal? At the moment, people think that films made last year are a story about, or related to, ‘reality’. If it shows two people meeting and embarking on a romance, then maybe it will one day happen to them in real life. Ditto buying a sports car, travelling the world, becoming famous etc. But the way things are, we won’t even be able to talk intelligibly to a shop assistant, go to a pub or have dental work done ever again. In which case, the world depicted by Netflix may begin to annoy rather than feed fantasies. And if Netflix decide to make new dramas in the world of Covid, it might be rather depressing.

280502 ▶▶▶ A. Contrarian, replying to Barney McGrew, 3, #1003 of 2196 🔗

Watching anything on TV already annoys and depresses me. I’m constantly sighing to myself and thinking, “Remember when you could just pop round to your friend’s house for a cup of tea without worrying about snitching neighbours? Wow, look at all those people browsing round the shops without having to cover their faces with masks or follow one way systems. Oh yes, I’d forgotten that back in normal times you could just happen to be out and about and randomly decide to stop for lunch without having to book in advance and hand over all your contact details before sitting behind a plastic screen and being served by an Ebola nurse” etc etc.

280455 ▶▶ richard riewer, replying to calchas, 3, #1004 of 2196 🔗

Covidians have become a new strain of Cro-Magnon. May they soon become extinct.

281146 ▶▶ richard riewer, replying to calchas, #1005 of 2196 🔗

Condemn Boris and company to live with the covidians for the rest of their lives. That’ll teach ’em. No visitors allowed.

280222 BeBopRockSteady, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 18, #1006 of 2196 🔗

“As the pandemic continues, the World Health Organization (WHO) has updated its recommendations for the use of masks in areas where the virus is spreading.

In updates today, the UN body advises “that the general public should wear a non-medical mask in indoor (eg shops, shared workplaces, schools) or outdoor settings where physical distancing of at least one metre cannot be maintained.”

The advice adds: “If indoors, unless ventilation has been assessed to be adequate, WHO advises that the general public should wear a non-medical mask, regardless of whether physical distancing of at least one metre can be maintained.”


Masks forever. People don’t realise this is not temporary, no matter how hard you try and convince.

280225 ▶▶ calchas, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 4, #1007 of 2196 🔗


Oh – and not in restaurants.

280233 ▶▶▶ Paulus, replying to calchas, 4, #1008 of 2196 🔗

I do wish people would stop mentioning Sweden, your only allowed to mention other countries if it makes things sound scary.

280238 ▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 9, #1009 of 2196 🔗

Masking will last as long as people let it. And no longer

280493 ▶▶ The Mask Exempt Covid Marshall, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 2, #1010 of 2196 🔗

There will no doubt be plenty of sheep happy to comply. Just what WON’T people put up with?

280242 Hughie, 1, #1011 of 2196 🔗

I don’t think this picture needs an introductory comment

<img src=”https://ibb.co/jZQLWW6″>

280245 TheBluePill, replying to TheBluePill, 11, #1012 of 2196 🔗

If the government gave the choice of an untested, experimental, mandatory vaccine or getting a dose of the actual virus followed by two weeks of isolation, then wouldn’t that be the safest, most efficacious and cost-effective choice for anyone healthy or under 70?

Prior to the virus effectively being extinguished in May, I would have taken that choice gladly. Because I actually care about people, and not just virtue signalling muzzle-wearing, I would have considered that a civic duty during the real epidemic.

280253 ▶▶ Ovis, replying to TheBluePill, 1, #1013 of 2196 🔗

And, probably, over the age of seventy as well.

280260 ▶▶▶ TheBluePill, replying to Ovis, #1014 of 2196 🔗

Indeed. Healthy OR under 70. Who knows what this will do to the elderly, since it has not been trialled for that group.

280258 ▶▶ Will, replying to TheBluePill, 3, #1015 of 2196 🔗

I would happily be exposed to the virus rather than the vaccine. But I don’t think the vaccine will ever get to me or my kids, thank God, because I think it will be withdrawn before it even gets close. Two things that give the game away are the vaccine is not licensed for children and is to be given to people under 50 last. 50 seems a strange cut off until one considers the menopause….

280279 ▶▶▶ TheBluePill, replying to Will, 6, #1016 of 2196 🔗

Maybe it’ll be a case of “look, all those over 50’s were fine. Now it’s confirmed safe. Your turn under 50’s”. And then 9 months later, “how strange that all the maternity units are all empty”.

I’m not entirely serious when I say that, but have to admit that pretty much every relevant conspiracy theory (bar the 5G nonsense etc) has either happened or looks increasingly likely.

280294 ▶▶▶▶ Will, replying to TheBluePill, 3, #1017 of 2196 🔗

I had heard, before Yeadon and his mate came out with their business, that there is a suggestion that covid can damage the placenta. I questioned it because, that was the case, I thought Wancock, Whitty and Wallance would have been shouting it from the roof tops.

280383 ▶▶▶▶▶ SweetBabyCheeses, replying to Will, 3, #1018 of 2196 🔗

I think it was the antibody response to the protein spike used in the vaccine that’s the issue, not covid itself? The worry is that the antibodies might mistake the placenta protein for the similar covid protein and attack it instead. Could be wrong, don’t remember where I read that sorry.

280442 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ mikewaite, replying to SweetBabyCheeses, 1, #1019 of 2196 🔗

Guy rich picked it up and posted a comment here 5 hours ago :
– The vaccinations are expected to produce antibodies against spike proteins of SARS-CoV-2. However, spike proteins also contain syncytin-homologous proteins, which are essential for the formation of the placenta in mammals such as humans. It must be ruled out that a vaccine against SARS-CoV-2 could trigger an immune reaction against syncytin-1, as it may otherwise result in infertility of indefinite duration in vaccinated women.

280254 Paul, 1, #1020 of 2196 🔗

Last night I emailed my MP to to tell him what a waste of space he is,this was his response,I am seething with anger after reading it,he is a total c**t.

Thank you for contacting me about the Government’s action to tackle coronavirus. I want to provide you with a detailed explanation of the significant work that has been put in to raise concerns and secure assurances for our area, as well as some much-needed good news.

Good news this morning

Firstly, are all waking up this morning to the news that today we are the first country in the world to approve the Pfizer coronavirus vaccine and we have secured the most doses across seven leading coronavirus vaccines. This marks a significant breakthrough as the vaccine will be made available across the UK from next week. The NHS has decades of experience in delivering large-scale vaccination programmes and they will begin putting their extensive preparations into action immediately.

Campaign for a fairer, more localised tier for South Lincs

Last week it was announced that our area is to be placed in Tier 3 from today, 2 December 2020. As I have said before, I was profoundly disappointed to see this given that our rates of infection were more in line with a Tier 2 classification.

Ultimately, we have been assigned to Tier 3 because of the extremely high rates of infection in the north of the county, specifically East Lindsey and Boston. The rates of infection there are among the very worst in the country and because the tiers have been determined based on hospital admissions (Pilgrim and Lincoln Hospitals in particular which are very high) on a county-wide basis, we have been brought into the highest tier with them.

Following the announcement last week, I have worked very closely with my Lincolnshire neighbour, Sir John Hayes MP – in South Holland and the Deepings to call for a review of our specific tier on a more localised basis so that our rates and particularly the movement patterns of our people are better reflected. We have taken the following action:

  1. Letter to the PM: Together with Sir John Hayes MP, Sir Edward Leigh MP, Cllr Martin Hill and other local leaders we wrote to the Prime Minister to call for a more localised approach to the tiering.

  1. Met Health Secretary: Sir John, Sir Edward and I also met with Health Secretary, Matt Hancock MP to convey our disappointment with the Tier 3 level and to call for a more localised approach in South Lincolnshire in particular.

  1. Call with PM: I also raised this issue for all South Lincolnshire residents directly with the Prime Minister on a call with him following the meeting with the Health Secretary.

In our joint statement published on Monday at the beginning of this week we stressed that we would not support the Government’s measures if it did not give clear assurances that they would assess our circumstances on a much more localised basis. Yesterday, we were pleased to receive a letter from Matt Hancock providing exactly these assurances. You can find copies of both our joint statement and response from the Health Secretary through my website which I have linked below.

Now the work must continue to ensure that our rates continue to decline.

Tiers are still better than stricter national lockdown

Despite some quite selective reporting in the press, the vote last night was essentially to move the country out of national lockdown to a new system of reduced restrictions assigned by tier.

Had the vote not gone through, we could well have seen an emergency extension of the lockdown with even tougher restrictions and so as the vote did go through it means that from today our shops, churches, sports clubs, gyms, hairdressers and beauty salons are all thankfully able to re-open.

Most businesses are now open from today

To summarise, from today:

•   All shops can open again
Hairdressers and beauty salons can open again
Outdoor sport such as golf and tennis can open again
Gyms and other leisure facilities can open again
‘Stay at home’ message ends
•   Our churches can open again
Weddings can take place again

part 2 is above

280256 Paul, replying to Paul, 1, #1021 of 2196 🔗

Part 2 of my MPs response,

Financial support for hospitality

It does however mean that our pubs, restaurants and bars can still only operate a take-away service at this time. While nothing makes up for the ability to open the doors and trade as in pre-COVID times, there are a series of measures that have been put in place to support their finances such as:

  • VAT cut to 5%
  • the furlough scheme enabling staff wages to be met
  • up to £3,000 a month in cash grants to help cover the cost of rent payments

From the beginning, I have fought for our businesses and residents who have been impacted by this awful virus and that work continues. For full details of the financial support available please visit: https://www.gov.uk/coronavirus/business-support

This has been an incredibly difficult time for everybody, over 58,000 people have lost their lives, businesses have closed, and our everyday freedoms restricted.

The vaccine news today offers clear light at the end of the tunnel and marks an opportunity for us to move forward, reclaim our lives and get our economy moving again. Like you, I am fed up, frustrated and want this all to be over. We will get through this – gladly there are brighter days ahead.

With very best wishes and thanks again for getting in touch.


Gareth Davies MP
Member of Parliament
Grantham and Stamford
+44 (0)207 2194931
House of Commons, Palace of Westminster, London, SW1A 0AA

280271 ▶▶ kh1485, replying to Paul, 6, #1022 of 2196 🔗

Not “difficult” for you Gareth.

Oh, and a P.S. Gareth, your ‘financial assistance’ does not touch the sides of what most businesses have lost.

280310 ▶▶▶ Ceriain, replying to kh1485, 3, #1023 of 2196 🔗

Yeah, I laughed at that. What difference does a cut in VAT make if you’re fucking shut!

280350 ▶▶▶ Paul, replying to kh1485, 6, #1024 of 2196 🔗

I want to punch someone today,Gareth Davies would do for a start.He states
‘Restaurants and pubs can do takeaways’,sounds a bit like ‘let them eat cake’ to me.
At our favourite restaurant,on a Wednesday evening at this time last year they would have had around 100 covers and probably a christmas party in the function room,tonight if they are lucky they might do 10 or so takeaways,so I would say the ‘financial assistance’ is an insult.

280368 ▶▶▶▶ kh1485, replying to Paul, 3, #1025 of 2196 🔗


Well, I would put out an open invitation to MPs to visit my shop to discuss this. Of course, they don’t have the courage to actually engage with the plebs who pay their wages.

280272 ▶▶ Ceriain, replying to Paul, 3, #1026 of 2196 🔗

Well, you’re right, Paul he is a total cunt!

The rates of infection there are among the very worst in the country

Why does just about every MP who reply to our emails put this? It’s simply not true. Not every where can have the highest rates in the country. Do they wear it like some badge of honour?

Still waiting for a reply from my MP to my email last night.

280282 ▶▶▶ Anothersceptic2, replying to Ceriain, 4, #1027 of 2196 🔗

They don’t know that a case is not an infection using that test alone.

280684 ▶▶▶▶ Stringfellow Hawke, replying to Anothersceptic2, 1, #1028 of 2196 🔗

Exactly this. My MP definitely didn’t, she certainly knows about it now. Unfortunately her “heavy heart” is wearing her down with all her support for the [opposition party] Government.

280445 ▶▶ richard riewer, replying to Paul, #1029 of 2196 🔗

Pay the rent for a business with no daily customers.

280257 Hughie, replying to Hughie, 8, #1030 of 2196 🔗

I’ll just leave this here

280288 ▶▶ kh1485, replying to Hughie, 19, #1031 of 2196 🔗

What absolute, complete and utter bastards.

280306 ▶▶▶ kh1485, replying to kh1485, 14, #1032 of 2196 🔗

And real brave neighbours who won’t say this to the publican’s face or put a name to their horrible little missive.

280299 ▶▶ mhcp, replying to Hughie, 14, #1033 of 2196 🔗

Print it out on A0 and put at the top: “A Big Thank You To Our Stazi Neighbours For Demonstrating That They Do Tyranny Like No Other. Good For You Komrades!!!”

280301 ▶▶ Tom Blackburn, replying to Hughie, 7, #1034 of 2196 🔗

Horrible gets

280309 ▶▶ William Hand, replying to Hughie, 3, #1035 of 2196 🔗

Hang on. Is that for real? Unbelievable if so.

280320 ▶▶▶ kh1485, replying to William Hand, 11, #1036 of 2196 🔗

It’s totally believable. I have had similar problems with my shop. Being snitched on/nasty telephone call/abuse.

280356 ▶▶▶ Hughie, replying to William Hand, 4, #1037 of 2196 🔗

Totally real I’m afraid

280318 ▶▶ Lockdown_Lunacy, replying to Hughie, 7, #1038 of 2196 🔗

People like that should be hanging from lamp posts.

280324 ▶▶▶ Cecil B, replying to Lockdown_Lunacy, #1039 of 2196 🔗

Lets not get ahead of ourselves

281373 ▶▶▶▶ Borisbullshit, replying to Cecil B, #1040 of 2196 🔗

No lets

280391 ▶▶▶ George L, replying to Lockdown_Lunacy, 3, #1041 of 2196 🔗

I’ve heard investments in piano wire are on the move upwards..

280319 ▶▶ Sceptic in Oxford, replying to Hughie, 8, #1042 of 2196 🔗

Donate them £10 worth of Asda Scotch Eggs.
F#ck these Stasi c#nts.

280367 ▶▶ Suzyv, replying to Hughie, 6, #1043 of 2196 🔗

Unbelievable. The absolute worst collaborators.

280369 ▶▶ stefarm, replying to Hughie, 8, #1044 of 2196 🔗

What a fucking shit hole this country has turned into, all for a fucking mild flu with a 99.95% survival rate.

Put a sign up at McDonald’s – to all you fat stupid plebs eating this shit. You are hastening your own demise. Wake the fuck up. Globalists are the virus, I’ll have 12 mcnuggets and an apple pie if you are going.

280389 ▶▶ Mabel Cow, replying to Hughie, 7, #1045 of 2196 🔗

The pub should rent out plates and cutlery for a nominal charge and let the customers bring their own food.

280390 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to Hughie, 3, #1046 of 2196 🔗

Jesus. That’s what we are dealing with. Emboldened curtain twitchers

280401 ▶▶ steph, replying to Hughie, 5, #1047 of 2196 🔗

Utterly vile neighbours. I assume they don’t want a pub there anyway and see this as a good chance to close it down.

280473 ▶▶▶ Peter, replying to steph, 5, #1048 of 2196 🔗

Not sure of the where (Victoria Tavern leads to small town/suburb as a location) but ultimately closed pubs are a significant factor in driving house prices down. Sure these folk who wrote this vile letter will be the first to whinge when 20K is knocked off the price of their house when selling

280414 ▶▶ mattghg, replying to Hughie, 2, #1049 of 2196 🔗

There are still an awful lot of true believers out there 🙁 .

280433 ▶▶ Bill Grates, replying to Hughie, 3, #1050 of 2196 🔗

Sad but not surprising.
This country has a history of producing both the very best of people and the very worst.
We appear to be in a period of the later.

280789 ▶▶ Ken Turner, replying to Hughie, #1051 of 2196 🔗

But iur glorious leaders seem to agree you can team up with external suppliers – of course the local council could decide differently to the people that “wrote the laws

280822 ▶▶ penelope pitstop, replying to Hughie, #1052 of 2196 🔗

They didn’t have the guts to put their names on the letter – cowards!
The landlord should put it in the window and ban all local neighbours from ever entering the pub… may lose a few quid but who would want these as customers in any case…

280273 peter, replying to peter, 3, #1053 of 2196 🔗

Publish the names AND addresses of all the MPs who vote for more covid hoax bullshit and let the chips fall where they may. The time for twining on the internet is long over.

280331 ▶▶ Bruce Reynolds, replying to peter, #1054 of 2196 🔗

Where can the addresses be found?

280276 Paul, replying to Paul, -1, #1055 of 2196 🔗

Letter from Hancock to my MP,

280316 ▶▶ Julian, replying to Paul, 1, #1056 of 2196 🔗

Once upon a time, national lockdowns were in favour, then we went to local, back to national, now local but Hancock is saying in this letter they don’t work

280280 Will, replying to Will, 2, #1057 of 2196 🔗

Can anyone remember which medical journal had the pol showing 40% of doctors would refuse a vaccine? Can’t bloody find it.

280304 ▶▶▶ Will, replying to Tom Blackburn, #1059 of 2196 🔗

Thank you. Now saved.

280281 richard riewer, replying to richard riewer, 8, #1060 of 2196 🔗

Boris’s lifelong fantasy of becoming the next Churchill was just a pipe dream. Definitely beyond his reach.

280291 ▶▶ Tom Blackburn, replying to richard riewer, 13, #1061 of 2196 🔗

Being the next Frank Spencer is beyond his reach.

280297 ▶▶ kh1485, replying to richard riewer, 16, #1062 of 2196 🔗

He’s not even the next Churchill the bloody insurance dog.

280506 ▶▶▶ Cranmer, replying to kh1485, 2, #1063 of 2196 🔗


280315 ▶▶ DRW, replying to richard riewer, 2, #1064 of 2196 🔗

Not even the next Chamberlain.

280289 godowneasy, replying to godowneasy, 7, #1066 of 2196 🔗

I assume that top royals will be part of the celebrity endorsement for this vaccine and that the Queen and Duke of Edinburgh will be in the high priority group? Maybe they can do it live on TV as well?
Prince Philip 1988 – just saying.

280311 ▶▶ Bruce Reynolds, replying to godowneasy, 7, #1067 of 2196 🔗

First class wanker.. the prat should be put down …

280379 ▶▶▶ George L, replying to Bruce Reynolds, 1, #1068 of 2196 🔗

Poetry of the finest order.. 🙂

281138 ▶▶ richard riewer, replying to godowneasy, #1069 of 2196 🔗

His present mind is a virus. How did Liz put up with him all those years?

280302 steve_w, 5, #1070 of 2196 🔗

Given the novel nature of the mechanism of action of RNA vaccines, and their delivery systems, little is known about the medium and longer-term side effects, however, autoimmunity , and reactogenicity (mainly from the lipid nanoparticles), have been highlighted.”

before 2020, mRNA was only considered a theoretical or experimental candidate for use in humans”


280312 DRW, replying to DRW, 12, #1071 of 2196 🔗

Not feeling good today as the rushed “vaccine” has been approved and as long hinted it
will be de facto mandated. I have been quite anxious today, especially considering
historically rushed vaccines (Polio 1956, Flu 1976 and 2009) have all ended badly. Hopefully by the time it’s available to us healthy youngsters any side effects will be apparent and will have forced withdrawal.

280325 ▶▶ Richard, replying to DRW, 4, #1072 of 2196 🔗

Yes – see “passport” now being trailed in Wales – protect people from over zealous businesses apparently…

280685 ▶▶ Ben, replying to DRW, 3, #1073 of 2196 🔗

You’re allowed to say ‘No’, which is what I shall be doing for a rushed through, indemnified vaccine that I don’t need. A vaccine can’t be undone

We can stop taking medication if it elicits harmful side effects but we can’t stop a past vaccination once we’ve had it
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281130 ▶▶▶ richard riewer, replying to Ben, #1074 of 2196 🔗

Sorry, no Sieg Heil for you buster.

280313 Cheezilla, replying to Cheezilla, 2, #1075 of 2196 🔗

Before I read the caption, I was thinking that dePiffle looks like a resentful toddler on the naughty step.

280479 ▶▶ thinkaboutit, replying to Cheezilla, 1, #1076 of 2196 🔗

I thought he looked like someone anxious to finish off the decanter he’d left in his office.

280317 calchas, replying to calchas, 18, #1077 of 2196 🔗

1,594,371 page views for the site in November.

Now, that is exponential growth.

At this rate, then by Easter everyone in the country will be checking by once a day.

Seriously friends, ‘www.lockdownsceptics.org’ needs to be left all over the place.

Great work Toby – and all.

280451 ▶▶ Silke David, replying to calchas, #1078 of 2196 🔗

I have noticed quite a few names in the comments.

280322 steve_w, replying to steve_w, 3, #1079 of 2196 🔗

I had a discussion with a half-sceptic friend of mine (I have been working on it and mainly broken through). But she suggested that now Sweden is ‘sort of in lockdown’. I think that’s not true and I suggested it was health advice + some restrictions on large gatherings + early pubs closing – moderate stuff.

Can anyone in Sweden please confirm for me any mandatory, freedom restricting rules there?

280334 ▶▶ Lockdown_Lunacy, replying to steve_w, 3, #1080 of 2196 🔗

All of the rules and guidelines for Sweden are on krisinformation.se/en (don’t know how to make that a link on my phone).

They seem to have sidelined Tegnell a little lately and the politicians seem to be running the show now. An important distinction though is that none of their rules seem to apply to private gatherings.

280348 ▶▶▶ steve_w, replying to Lockdown_Lunacy, 3, #1081 of 2196 🔗



there seem to be different ‘restrictions’ for different areas so I took the first one for Blekinge County

All seems to be advice ‘if possible, minimize…etc’

the only ‘restriction’ appears to be

“As of 24 November 2020, a maximum of 8 persons is allowed at public gatherings and events. This also applies to seated audiences. This restriction is applicable until further notice. An exception is made for funerals, where a maximum of 20 persons is allowed.

But nothing about your own home and no businesses closed

There is “ If possible, avoid physical contact with people other than those in your own household.” but if this isn’t a law, then it carries as much weight as ‘try and eat 5 portions of fruit and veg a day’

280364 ▶▶▶▶ Lockdown_Lunacy, replying to steve_w, #1082 of 2196 🔗

No worries. Yeah, that’s how I read them too.

Everything seems to be advice apart from this ‘8 rule’ in public places and the denial of entry to non-EU (excluding a few select countries) citizens. The second one seems like more of an EU thing as Sweden hasn’t ‘enhanced’ it in any way through testing of travellers etc, nor does it ask its own citizens to quarantine when returning.

280411 ▶▶▶▶▶ peyrole, replying to Lockdown_Lunacy, #1083 of 2196 🔗

Yes that is EU-wide.

280413 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ peyrole, replying to peyrole, #1084 of 2196 🔗

Forgot to add, it will apply to UK citizens from 1/1/2021.

280617 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Lockdown_Lunacy, replying to peyrole, #1085 of 2196 🔗

Is that confirmed?

280395 ▶▶▶▶ leggy, replying to steve_w, 2, #1086 of 2196 🔗

I was discussing this with a guy who runs a restaurant in Stockholm a couple of weeks ago when I was there. He was lamenting the fact that many people are following the advice and not going out, so takings were suffering. But at the same time, because they’re not being forced to close, there’s also no Govt support. Bit a rock and a hard place situation.

280428 ▶▶▶▶▶ steve_w, replying to leggy, 3, #1087 of 2196 🔗

but at least they are a free people

280498 ▶▶▶▶▶ Will, replying to leggy, 1, #1088 of 2196 🔗

Which saves the government money… remind me who it was who brought in the rule of 8 in Sweden???

280341 ▶▶ Ceriain, replying to steve_w, 6, #1089 of 2196 🔗

Talking of Sweden, anyone heard from Carrie lately? She hasn’t posted for the last 2 weeks.

280392 ▶▶▶ leggy, replying to Ceriain, 2, #1090 of 2196 🔗

No 🙁

280438 ▶▶▶ Chicot, replying to Ceriain, 1, #1091 of 2196 🔗

The new regime has carted her off to the gulags for being a dissident.

280326 godowneasy, replying to godowneasy, 10, #1092 of 2196 🔗

Interesting – not seen this on UK media so far (from Ireland’s RTE via Reuters)

EU criticises ‘hasty’ UK approval of Covid-19 vaccine

Couple of quotes:
“I consider this decision to be problematic and recommend that EU member states do not repeat the process in the same way,” said MEP Peter Liese, who is a member of German Chancellor Angela Merkel’s party.
“A few weeks of thorough examination by the European Medicines Agency is better than a hasty emergency marketing authorisation of a vaccine,” said Mr Liese, who represents the centre right grouping, the largest in the EU Parliament.

So I wonder what has the MHRA reviewed exactly and what have they skipped on?

280342 ▶▶ calchas, replying to godowneasy, 10, #1093 of 2196 🔗

Johnson has far more political dissension to consider in his Party than Merkel in hers.

Maybe, that’s why he’s in a hurry.

Or maybe the Germans are invested in another vaccine and therefore miffed.

If an effective vaccine is so important, then why hasn’t the Russian vaccine, which was unveiled months ago, been licensed – with any fees the Russians want – by the UK, and been produced.

After all, this is all about saving human lives.

Isn’t it?

280353 ▶▶ Will, replying to godowneasy, 14, #1094 of 2196 🔗

Whilst I respect people who are anti vaccine, I am not anti vaccine myself and I hope this vaccine works for people who choose to take it. As someone who believes in vaccines I think the UK’s decision to unilaterally grant an emergency license for this vaccine is utterly stupid and potentially disastrous for future vaccine take up.

280354 ▶▶ Freecumbria, replying to godowneasy, 1, #1095 of 2196 🔗

Is all the information we have on the Pfizer vaccine just their press releases, no published paper?

280410 ▶▶ Bill Grates, replying to godowneasy, 8, #1096 of 2196 🔗

For starters they’ve skipped about 10 years of development and studies.

280447 ▶▶ Richard O, replying to godowneasy, 4, #1097 of 2196 🔗

Britain’s health minister Matt Hancock said Brexit has helped the UK become the first country in the world to have a clinically authorised vaccine .”

Exactly as we were warned a few months ago. This has been done in direct contravention of EU medical regulations but they found a loophole which allowed them to press ahead.

281122 ▶▶▶ richard riewer, replying to Richard O, #1098 of 2196 🔗

What Brexit? It has been in limbo for four years.

280347 ▶▶ Ceriain, replying to chaos, 8, #1100 of 2196 🔗

So, given the order in which this is supposedly going to be rolled out, and the length of time it will take to cover everyone over 50, for a long time the only people who will get served in pubs, restaurants and shops will be the elderly and NHS workers and carers. They’ll be the only people with a ‘passport’.

Those that survive the jab, that is.

280362 ▶▶▶ Suzyv, replying to Ceriain, 3, #1101 of 2196 🔗

There won’t be any hospitality left at all by the time it gets to those under a certain age.

280431 ▶▶ richard riewer, replying to chaos, 2, #1102 of 2196 🔗

Revolt! Do not comply.

280435 ▶▶ annie, replying to chaos, 2, #1103 of 2196 🔗

They can get stuffed.
Twll tin iddyn nhw.

280335 Richard O, replying to Richard O, 11, #1104 of 2196 🔗


The MHRA has approved the Pfizer vaccine. If you have read the material linked above the line today, then you will realise that this is going to be absolute carnage.

The British people have been selected as the guinea pigs.

280340 ▶▶ Anothersceptic2, replying to Richard O, 8, #1105 of 2196 🔗

And of course they’re completely independent, definitely no conflict of interest etc.

280346 ▶▶▶ Richard O, replying to Anothersceptic2, 14, #1106 of 2196 🔗

This is the most important decision of our lives, bar none. It really is that serious. Accept the vaccine and you accept the technocratic dystopia from which there will be no escape.

281057 ▶▶▶▶ Ben, replying to Richard O, #1107 of 2196 🔗


Wish your comment was a stand alone comment. Accepting the vaccine means accepting immunity passports. A future I want no part of

281116 ▶▶▶▶ richard riewer, replying to Richard O, #1108 of 2196 🔗

The answer is NO. They have no right, regardless of what was written in the 1984 Act. It was the beginning of the medical mafia taking control of human society. By the way, Margaret Thatcher, A.K.A. Attila the Hen, was PM at the time.

280355 ▶▶ Suzyv, replying to Richard O, 7, #1109 of 2196 🔗

Lambs to the slaughter…

Do people actually realise that the vaccine will NOT stop infection, serious illness or death (put out by big Pharma not my words) and all for an infection that is, by any measurement available, not a serious risk for the vast majority of people. Sadly not.

280361 ▶▶▶ Richard O, replying to Suzyv, 6, #1110 of 2196 🔗

Aside from the risk of extremely serious adverse reactions detailed in the petition to the EMA, there is also another fundamental question: why does this vaccine need to be stored at -70 C?

280396 ▶▶▶▶ Two-Six, replying to Richard O, 7, #1111 of 2196 🔗

To stop it trans-substantiating into the fith dimention

280426 ▶▶▶▶▶ richard riewer, replying to Two-Six, 7, #1112 of 2196 🔗

‘This is the dawning of the Age of Aquarius’. Not what I imagined fifty years ago. Dark clouds are now blocking out the sunshine.

280576 ▶▶▶▶ Biker, replying to Richard O, 1, #1113 of 2196 🔗

to stop it from melting

281109 ▶▶▶ richard riewer, replying to Suzyv, #1114 of 2196 🔗

Roald Dahl: Lamb to the Slaughter. Also on Alfred Hitchcock Presents.

280406 ▶▶ Bill Grates, replying to Richard O, 5, #1115 of 2196 🔗

The moment is here now that they are going to start injecting people. Any sane person will refuse and hold out as long as possible. It may make it easier to assemble a much larger anti lockdown/vaccine movement.

280469 ▶▶ RickH, replying to Richard O, 6, #1116 of 2196 🔗

The MHRA has some very penetrating questions to answer about the normal framework for the approval of medicines.

Was this (basically international) framework so unnecessary that it could be abandoned on a whim to combat a non-High Consequence Infectious Disease that, for the majority of the well population <65, is usually mild in its effects?

And would any rational person curtail the testing regime to such an extent without a transparent examination of possible consequences (possibly in terms of examining the stages of previous approvals)?

Patently barking – and driven by government/provider producer interests.

280339 reason, replying to reason, 8, #1117 of 2196 🔗

Not unsurprisingly my local has decided against opening, although it does a fair trade in lunchtime and evening meals, as they calculate they will lose more money opening under Tier 2 restrictions than they would by staying shut.

I wonder if any of the MSM will make it their business to find out what proportion of pubs that could open remain closed.

Presumably this is the sort of result the band of gormless idiots making the rules were hoping for.

280466 ▶▶ Victoria, replying to reason, 2, #1118 of 2196 🔗

Makes sense – no pub can operate under these restrictions and ongoing uncertainty. Difficult enough in normal times

280357 Ceriain, 8, #1119 of 2196 🔗

Malcolm Kendrick: As a doctor, people ask me if it’s safe to take a new Covid vaccine. Given that criticism is risky, here’s my very careful answer :

Posted before, I know, but now that this shit is real (vaccine is here), I wonder how many doctors and health professionals, who up till now have been quiet (threats of disciplinary action, etc ), will now speak out against the vaccine or, at least, voice reservations.

280359 Tiberius, replying to Tiberius, 8, #1120 of 2196 🔗

The JHB interview demonstrates the defeatism at the heart of Boris’ government, and of those MP’s who parrot his line. I would never have believed it of the man I have admired since he was editor of the Spectator.

However, I was warned during the leadership contest by a member of my Association that he wasn’t up the job. How right she was.

280446 ▶▶ RickH, replying to Tiberius, 2, #1121 of 2196 🔗

Sorry you were conned so early on. He really was a narcissistic twat all the time – the evidence was there.

280458 ▶▶▶ Cranmer, replying to RickH, 1, #1122 of 2196 🔗

It seems he was alright in a job such as Mayor of London, but that was a sinecure which was basically invented to give Ken Livingstone a job, so it was hardly likely to be very challenging.

280481 ▶▶▶▶ mjr, replying to Cranmer, 2, #1123 of 2196 🔗

mayor of london is basically a marketing / PR role for which an amiable buffoon is well qualified.

280366 calchas, replying to calchas, 3, #1124 of 2196 🔗

Lots of comments here about Johnson’s incompetence.

That’s good!.

Otherwise we would have somebody, such as Starmer or Hunt, who would have pursued the covidian agenda more effectively.

280373 ▶▶ Tiberius, replying to calchas, 2, #1125 of 2196 🔗

It is of scant consolation that anyone else would have locked down tighter, as have Drakeford and Sturgeon of course.

280371 Cecil B, replying to Cecil B, 3, #1126 of 2196 🔗

‘Now his nurse, some local loser, she’s in charge of the cyanide hole
And she also keeps the cards that read, “Have Mercy on His Soul”
They all play on the penny whistles, you can hear them blow
If you lean your head out far enough from Desolation Row’

Desolation Row

Bob Dylan

280500 ▶▶ Sir Roderick Spode, replying to Cecil B, #1127 of 2196 🔗

Highway 61 Revisited his best album -perhaps Bunter Johnson should be forced to listen to ‘Ballad of a Thin Man’ as he also has no idea what’s going on- apparently Johnson’s favourite album is ‘Sandinista’ which is a worryingly good choice-He’s probably never heard it and was advised to mention it by a passing intern…..

280375 Cheezilla, replying to Cheezilla, 27, #1128 of 2196 🔗

Piers has won one of the cases. https://www.facebook.com/stopnewnormaluk/

He’s pointing out that many of the MPs who voted NO yesterday actually want stricter lockdowns. He rightly calls them fascists and says they will be challenged.

He also has a challenge with the Grad nest week and with the teaching Unions.

The man is such a superstar. I loved the way he rocked up at court with an Aldi carrier bag, rather than a posh briefcase!

280377 ▶▶ Darryl, replying to Cheezilla, 13, #1129 of 2196 🔗

Yes the fact that many of the MPs wanted stricter measures seems lost on many.

Piers Corbyn is sadly one of the few genuine opposition figures.

280418 ▶▶▶ Bill Grates, replying to Darryl, 4, #1130 of 2196 🔗

I hadn’t looked into that , well spotted, but bad news for the anti lockdown side.

Corbyn is undoubtedly the hero of the hour.

280422 ▶▶▶ Bella, replying to Darryl, 3, #1131 of 2196 🔗

Mostly Labour. And to think I used to vote for ’em. I mean, they were supposed to look after the working person’s interests. Ha!

280402 ▶▶ mattghg, replying to Cheezilla, 13, #1132 of 2196 🔗

He’s relentless. Chapeau. Honestly, if you’d told me this time last year that in late 2020 I’d be hanging on every one of Piers Corbyn’s words I would have been in hysterics. What a world we now live in.

280415 ▶▶ richard riewer, replying to Cheezilla, 3, #1133 of 2196 🔗

Call ’em like you see ’em Piers.

280664 ▶▶ Ben, replying to Cheezilla, 2, #1134 of 2196 🔗

Piers Corbyn is a hero unlike his treacherous brother

280791 ▶▶ penelope pitstop, replying to Cheezilla, 1, #1135 of 2196 🔗

Piers is our hero – who would have thought it hey?? Never would i have thought i’d be supporting Jezza’s brother 🙂
He’s also probably in the running for a Guiness Book of Records for the number of times he’s been arrested recently – think it’s about 7 times!

280381 BeBopRockSteady, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 5, #1136 of 2196 🔗

And as night becomes day, Fauci now says children are of low risk when it comes to spreading the virus.


280385 ▶▶ Richard O, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 4, #1137 of 2196 🔗

Will the High Priest of Covid recommend that children therefore need not bother with masks and distancing? I think not.

280441 ▶▶ Ceriain, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 2, #1138 of 2196 🔗

He must be the dizziest man on the planet, the number of u-turns he’s made.

280480 ▶▶ Achilles, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 5, #1139 of 2196 🔗

Who are we at war with, Eurasia or East Asia? Can’t remember.

280505 ▶▶▶ Ceriain, replying to Achilles, 2, #1140 of 2196 🔗

Spot on!

Just remember, whichever it is, we’ve always been at war with them.

280559 ▶▶▶ calchas, replying to Achilles, 3, #1141 of 2196 🔗


we have always been at war with Covidia.

Eventually, all old films we be edited to show everyone wearing masks,

280382 stefarm, 1, #1142 of 2196 🔗
280386 leggy, replying to leggy, 8, #1143 of 2196 🔗

Was just out in the car and half listening to Vine on R2 whilst they were talking about trials of LF tests “allowing” people to visit care homes. Vine read out a message from one listener that peaked my interest. I’m paraphrasing but:

I’ve already had covid, but I’ve been told that I cannot have another test for 90 days because it could come back as a false positive (so I still can’t visit granny etc.)

So that’s basically an admission by those in charge of testing that it can and does pick up dead virus isn’t it?

280463 ▶▶ thinkaboutit, replying to leggy, #1144 of 2196 🔗


280393 Bartleby, replying to Bartleby, 14, #1145 of 2196 🔗

I quite often see people stating things such as: If this wasn’t a serious pandemic or threat, why would we be taking these actions, or, all countries are trying to do something and restricting freedoms and so on. Both of these statements are meant to imply that because everyone is doing something, and because something is being done, then it must be right to do something/anything.

I think though that this misses out a really important nuanced piece of context, which is the motivation involved.

The primary motivation of all politicians in any country now appears to be that they don’t want to take responsibility and to avoid blame as much as possible. In fact, not just politicians, but nearly all of the official government-advising scientists too.

How and why did this happen?

Firstly, the politicians quickly realised that the more they could claim to be following the scientific advice, the harder it would be to make the blame game stick. If any of them had any doubts about how the blame game would be played, the democratic tactics in the US election would surely have got rid of those when it came to using covid-19 as a powerful blaming weapon.

That’s why politicians everywhere quickly started to use phrases such as ‘we’re being advised’ or ‘we’re following the science’.

Cast your minds back to March and April, and you will recall how the ‘Science’ then started to react to that. They became uncomfortable, then they started to feed stories about how the science wasn’t being followed. In some cases they tried to claim that they advised certain actions which weren’t followed, despite the various releases of SAGE & SPI-X information which didn’t back up their claims. When they realised that the politicians had put them firmly in the firing line, they too started to act like they didn’t want to be blamed, and that in turn led to the ridiculous behaviours, policies and restrictions we’ve seen put in place in many countries around the world since that point, simply to avoid responsibility. Many scientists changed their pronouncements from tried and tested pandemic handling policies to ulta risk-averse, precautionary principle motivations. As did the WHO and many others.

And what kept that going and helped to exacerbate it? The Media and the Covid Death Porn that took over. Unrelenting focus on deaths, cases, comparisons between countries, regions, towns, genders, cultures, and in a similar way, social media with it’s mob mentality of ‘blood on your hands’ coloured-commentary whipping up anger and blame that allows for no balance or nuance in the approach and was seen as another weapon in the agenda of identity politics for many vociferous social media dwellers.

It doesn’t need much more in terms of conspiracy, for sure some people are pushing their own agendas and self-interest, but looked at through this prism, we are entirely in this situation because of a fear of being blamed from public officials.

But in that analysis, is perhaps a clear path forward.

Firstly, we have to create a daily lockdown fear narrative to counter the covid narrative. That means a daily update of statistics on the following:

  • Jobs lost due to lockdowns and tier restrictions.
  • Deaths due to lockdowns and restrictions.

Secondly, we should reaffirm that we don’t hold scientists or politicians responsible for deaths from covid-19 where it’s possible to do that, but make it clear that we do hold them responsible for the death and misery caused by lockdowns and restrictions. The only way in which they will accelerate out of restrictions is if they are more scared of being blamed for that than they are of being blamed for deaths from covid.

Clearly there is frequent discussion of the impact of lockdowns, particularly on sites like this, but it’s easy to shrug off, because it still remains invisible and a problem that may be possible to address later. Missed cancer diagnosis? Let’s get the virus under control then we can try to catch up etc.

We really do need to start creating more regular consistent and easy to consume figures on the key elements of lockdown such as lost jobs and deaths.

Let the covid zealots argue about those numbers, get them to justify why someone lost their job with covid, not of covid.

What can you do? Some of it we’re doing already. The campaign of writing to MPs is a solid start, because it makes it clear that they are being held responsible. Anyone with influence in the media could make a case for a daily stat on job losses and deaths not from covid in lockdown to keep those figures top of mind and try to get those published online and everywhere.

We can ask sites such as Worldometers and Our World in Data to start giving more visibility to these metrics and make it clear there is a demand for them.

We have to do a better job of using the fear against them and counter them not by asking for evidence and arguing over their numbers, but by creating a stronger fear.

280403 ▶▶ Richard O, replying to Bartleby, 6, #1146 of 2196 🔗

An excellent and very well argued piece.

Deaths and injuries due to the rushed vaccine, which is the inevitable end result of the insane politicisation you describe, should also be added to your proposed dashboard.

280407 ▶▶▶ Bartleby, replying to Richard O, 1, #1147 of 2196 🔗

Great idea, that definitely should be part of the new fear metrics.

280424 ▶▶ Sceptic in Oxford, replying to Bartleby, 8, #1148 of 2196 🔗

Here’s some. It’s an update of a list I compiled previously. I updated it on 29 Nov:

·      25 million GP appointments lost ( source: Care Quality Commission )
·      3 million people backlog for cancer screening (source: Cancer Research UK)
·      350,000 patients with suspected cancer haven’t been referred ( source: Cancer Research UK )
·      986,000 women not screened for breast cancer ( source: Breast Cancer Now )
·      Referrals for urological cancers (incl prostate cancer) halved – an estimated 27,000 fewer sent for testing ( source: Prostate Cancer UK )
·      1 million bowel cancer screening invitations not sent in first 3 months of lockdown, equating to estimated 1,350 cases of undiagnosed bowel cancer ( source: Bowel Cancer UK .)
·      139,545 patients waiting > 1 year for treatment ( source: NHS England )
·      March- May >50,000 children in England had surgery from all surgical specialties postponed ( source: Royal College of Paediatrics and Child Health )
·      MD and cataracts have gone untreated leaving patients at risk of sight loss
·      Waiting lists in general for the NHS are at an all-time high

Sooner or later, everyone , will be impacted by these backlogs, whether its them, their husband, wife, mother, father, sister, brother, boyfriend, girlfriend, uncle, aunt, child or grandchild who needs treatment and joins the back of these queues.

Then there’s societal/other health problems:

·      1 in 9 mental health patients have been waiting 6 months for help ( source: Royal College of Psychiatrists )
·      Number of people drinking at ‘high risk levels’ doubled since February – now 8.5 million ( source: Royal College of Psychiatrists )
·      Just over 1 in 10 of over 70,000 surveyed had suicidal thoughts or thoughts of self-harm during the first week of lockdown ( source: Samaritans )
·      7% increase in domestic abuse-related recorded crime during March to June vs the same period in 2019 and 18% increase vs 2018 (source: ONS)
·      72% of pub & hospitality businesses expect to become unviable and close in 2021 (source: British Beer & Pub Association, British Institute of Innkeeping and UK Hospitality )
·      Redundancies to a record high of 314,000 in the three months to September 2020 ( source: ONS )
·      Since March 2020, the number of payroll employees has fallen by 782,000 ( source: ONS )
·      Borrowing hit £22.3bn in October 2020, the highest October figure since monthly records began ( source: ONS )
·      UK national debt at record high >£2 trillion for first time ever ( source: ONS )
· Record number of shop closures: 6000 chain shop outlets closed in first half of 2020 compared with 3500 in same period 2019 ( source: Local Data Company and PwC UK )
· Number of graduate jobs dropped 12% in 2020 with employers anticipating further decline in 2021 ( source: Institute of Student Employers (ISE ).
·      Employers reduce internships and placements 29% and 25% respectively in 2020, the largest drop since 2010 (source: ISE )
·      Charity sector faces £10bn funding shortfall and 60,000 job losses (source: FT)
·      £160m loss of income this year for Cancer Research UK (source: Cancer Research UK)

280457 ▶▶▶ Bartleby, replying to Sceptic in Oxford, 1, #1149 of 2196 🔗

Thank you. I’ll take a detailed look through with an eye on a little simplification and ease of consumption. All of them are worrying and valid, I just mean that the counter narrative needs to be punchy in the same style as cases/deaths are.

280497 ▶▶▶▶ Sceptic in Oxford, replying to Bartleby, 1, #1150 of 2196 🔗

Yes; do. The idea was that it has something that should worry everyone, including zealots.

280834 ▶▶▶ Two-Six, replying to Sceptic in Oxford, #1151 of 2196 🔗

I sent this to my MP, no response yet, I guess she was too shocked and appalled and offended and upset and concerned and alarmed and just too…
Unable to address any of these facts.

280641 ▶▶ Stringfellow Hawke, replying to Bartleby, #1152 of 2196 🔗

Nice job.

As well as writing to MPs, as useful as it undoubtedly is, I can see potentially that some of them feel at least relatively secure for a while, as their jobs, realistically, are not at the moment at immediate threat.
I suspect it will be equally, if nor more impactful to write similar letters at a local level. Councils are still meeting, and I’m sure at least some of them may think their positions are a bit more tenuous..esp. if people start asking awkward questions about the PCR tests & what they are basing everything on. Same with businesses, once they start to understand how the test – & all it’s associated flaws – underlines the ‘cases’ methodology, I expect them to get beyond angry, of course many are already…

280394 PWL, 10, #1153 of 2196 🔗

Refuse the vaccine folks. UK Government does not want the fight it will court by making vaccines mandatory.

Do not consent.
Prohibition And Covid-19; Part Two: The Great Reset Is Socialism

280400 PWL, 2, #1154 of 2196 🔗

Of course, some of us have been advocating the methods of Gandhi for a long time.
Action To End The Interminable Unlawful Lockdown

280404 Anothersceptic2, 2, #1155 of 2196 🔗

Massive revelation regarding Drosten’s peer reviewed paper that became the gold standard for PCR testing: https://twitter.com/MichaelYeadon3/status/1334127281367871497

280409 Darryl, replying to Darryl, 3, #1156 of 2196 🔗

Sorry if this has been posted already, but this is a disgusting example of entrapment by local authorities. They really hate small businesses. Like him or not Farage has done a good job making this case public.

Nigel Farage Investigates: Why are the authorities attacking our pubs?

280421 ▶▶ Anothersceptic2, replying to Darryl, 12, #1157 of 2196 🔗

it’s obvious why pubs etc. are a target, it’s to stop people having open conversations with each other where they might convince their believers that it’s all a scam.

280432 ▶▶▶ Cranmer, replying to Anothersceptic2, 8, #1158 of 2196 🔗

It’s also more difficult for local and national government to enforce the law on small businesses regarding tax, health and safety etc. Rather than spend time and resources dealing with offenders, it’s easier for them to destroy them all so that everyone has to work for a few large multinationals who will police themselves and be more compliant.

280444 ▶▶▶ Darryl, replying to Anothersceptic2, #1159 of 2196 🔗

The reasons are numerous and pretty obvious, Nigel Farage won’t acknowledge it for some reason, most publicans and patrons also seem oblivious to what is going on.

280416 Sceptic in Oxford, replying to Sceptic in Oxford, 10, #1160 of 2196 🔗

I made the mistake of checking my relation’s tweets in response to her asking “was told today only 1700 people have died without pre-existing conditions. How do I respond?” I’m the one who told her.

She got 300+ responses. All of them saying versions of I’m a Nazi/detestable/horrible/hoping I get cancer and see if I’d like treatment etc.

She replied: “It was crap, of course, and a terrible thing to say. I just wanted to understand all the range of arguments against it and there are certainly plenty on this thread.”

Blood now absolutely boiling now.

280427 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to Sceptic in Oxford, 3, #1161 of 2196 🔗

Send her this.

280439 ▶▶▶ Sceptic in Oxford, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 1, #1162 of 2196 🔗

I like that but it’s quite out of date now (Mar-June 2020) and also, crucially, the totals are now wrong. I think that’s because it was done before the “recount” in the summer forced on Hancock after Dr Carl Heneghan pointed out that deaths had been overcounted because they’d included anyone who’d tested positive at any time (even if they then died in a car accident).

280443 ▶▶▶▶ Anothersceptic2, replying to Sceptic in Oxford, #1163 of 2196 🔗

Because that’s where the bulk of the recording has been, the numbers of all cause mortality since is essentially pretty normal.

280524 ▶▶▶▶▶ Sceptic in Oxford, replying to Sarigan, 1, #1165 of 2196 🔗

That’s where I got the 1700 from.

280449 ▶▶▶ wendy, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 5, #1166 of 2196 🔗

Yes I think sending her that would help. But these people have convinced themselves so much it seems they can’t turn back.

280476 ▶▶▶▶ sam, replying to wendy, 3, #1167 of 2196 🔗

no one has lsitened to me yet they become even more obstinate accusing me and felow sceptics of trying to kill them by not wearing a mask etc . has anyone had any luck yet?

280574 ▶▶▶▶▶ wendy, replying to sam, 2, #1168 of 2196 🔗

If they are maskers I feel we can’t get through to them. It’s like we and they are from different planets. There’s a few friends I have dropped all together. They are Labour folks still, as I was and won’t ever be again, but I can’t believe how terrible Kier Starmer has been and now calling for censorship of debate. He has shown how authoritarian Labour would be.

And if I was to tell them I go on anti lockdown protests they would think me bonkers. I did mention to one that I don’t fellow any of the Covid rules, in fact break them most days with guests and meet ups and over night stays, and she has never replied. I suppose she imagines I would kill her with my infected breath if she were to meet up with me.

280665 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Sceptic in Oxford, replying to wendy, 3, #1169 of 2196 🔗

That’s her alright – mask wearing voluntarily before they were mandatory and too dumb to realise that once it starts, where’s the end because even after this nightmare, there’s other germs all year round.

280710 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ sam, replying to wendy, 1, #1170 of 2196 🔗

im glad i have company here, otherwise too awful . because me too have lost friends ,they are now lemmings probably always were .i was very lefty , no more .

280430 ▶▶ Ceriain, replying to Sceptic in Oxford, 5, #1171 of 2196 🔗

So, you told her some thing that was factual ; she tell her friends on twatter; they all say you’re a Nazi and they hope you die.

And now she agrees with THEM!!!

Have I got that right?

280448 ▶▶▶ Sceptic in Oxford, replying to Ceriain, 5, #1172 of 2196 🔗

I think that’s about it. Logic totally passes them by. If you follow my rationale i.e. look how few people have died who didn’t have something serious already, I could be the next person of the 1700+ so we should all get back to normal.

But instead they’ve somehow warped it that I think the 1700 deserved to die so I am basically a Nazi so should die anyway ….

280501 ▶▶▶▶ Ceriain, replying to Sceptic in Oxford, 3, #1173 of 2196 🔗

Logic totally passes them by.

Boils your brain doesn’t it? How are people this dumb?

280516 ▶▶▶▶▶ Sceptic in Oxford, replying to Ceriain, 8, #1174 of 2196 🔗

Totally. It’s exhausting. Of 67+ million in the country, you point out that a tiny proportion have died and instead of being relieved they condemn you for saying “only”.

280547 ▶▶▶ thinkaboutit, replying to Ceriain, 3, #1175 of 2196 🔗

Yes, facts are Nazi.

280434 ▶▶ Brian ‘Monty’ Cohen, replying to Sceptic in Oxford, 9, #1176 of 2196 🔗

Taken from BTL comment in The Spectator.

If you are healthy and catch Covid19, the risk of dying is :
If you are less than 10 : effectively zero
If you are in your teens : 1 in a million
If you are in your 20’s : 3 in a million
If you are in your 30’s : 1 in 100,000
If you are in your 40’s : 3 in 100,000
If you are in your 50’s : 1 in 10,000
If you are in your 60’s : 3 in 10,000
If you are in your 70’s : 1 in 1,000
If you are in your 80’s : 3 in 1,000
If you are in your 90’s : 1 in 100
These numbers are based on the CDC age stratified IFR model and take account of the fact that 95% of people who die (in all age groups) have serious other health issues. Quite simply this is not something worth worrying about, compared to the huge array of normal risks we all face every day.

280474 ▶▶▶ Sceptic in Oxford, replying to Brian ‘Monty’ Cohen, 3, #1177 of 2196 🔗

I like this. What I was trying to do by quoting the number was to explain that it is not something to worry for the vast majority of people.

Instead, lefty logic turns that into me basically missing the boat on having been an excellent 2IC to Hitler.

280594 ▶▶▶ wendy, replying to Brian ‘Monty’ Cohen, 3, #1178 of 2196 🔗

Oh but, oh but, you will have to be censored for encouraging people not to take up the vaccine. You will be on Starmer’s list!!!! In fact he will probably want this website shut down, Toby and us all to be arrested. I think joining Toby’s free speech Union would be a good move right now.

280858 ▶▶▶ Iansn, replying to Brian ‘Monty’ Cohen, 1, #1179 of 2196 🔗

I think if you are ninety+ you have aone in 365 chance of popping your clogs any day in that year anyway. If you are 40+ 40 kg overweight with asthma or any other related illness your chance of popping are probably similar to the over 70’s group

280471 ▶▶ thinkaboutit, replying to Sceptic in Oxford, 7, #1180 of 2196 🔗

Send her a Christmas card of muzzled sheep and write inside ‘saw this and thought of you’.

280475 ▶▶ Kev, replying to Sceptic in Oxford, 5, #1181 of 2196 🔗

Tell her if facts don’t matter, go ahead and have a vaccine of unknown provenance injected directly into her bloodstream, from a company that refuses to accept any liability for damage or death.

Only 8% of all deaths with Covid are people with no other acute medical condition, its just a fact. 92% of deaths are people with one or more co-morbidities.

Additionally, 90% of all deaths this year are people older than 60, its not contentious, its all on the ONS reports.

280488 ▶▶▶ Sceptic in Oxford, replying to Kev, 6, #1182 of 2196 🔗

Her twitter this morning is: “why is thalidomide trending? Just get the #vaccination”

280507 ▶▶▶▶ Kev, replying to Sceptic in Oxford, 12, #1183 of 2196 🔗

Wow, just wow.

My mum refused thalidomide when she was expecting me, people didn’t know what was causing the issues at the time, so she just refused to take anything for the morning sickness. She had no medical training, but tons of common sense.

280560 ▶▶▶▶▶ Trixie, replying to Kev, 3, #1184 of 2196 🔗

Same here. Mum went to the doc because of morning sickness with me, and he said that she’d have to put up with it, as he wouldn’t prescribe anything for it. (He was a trusted doctor of my family for many years.)

I remember Graham at my nursery, whose arms finished at the elbows with little nodules.

280602 ▶▶▶▶▶ wendy, replying to Kev, 7, #1185 of 2196 🔗

It seems most people have got into their minds that medication and vaccination is all positive with no downsides at all and that’s very untrue.

280712 ▶▶▶▶▶ annie, replying to Kev, 2, #1186 of 2196 🔗

Result: you have hands and feet.

280991 ▶▶▶▶▶ DavidC, replying to Kev, 1, #1187 of 2196 🔗

Ditto my Mum. She had bad morning sickness with my sister during the time that thalidomide was being used, we’ve spoken on a number of occasions just how lucky my sister was and thanking Mum’s common sense.


280510 ▶▶▶▶ mattghg, replying to Sceptic in Oxford, 5, #1188 of 2196 🔗

She doesn’t sound very bright.

280520 ▶▶▶▶▶ Sceptic in Oxford, replying to mattghg, 2, #1189 of 2196 🔗

She’s a secondary school teacher.

280550 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ mattghg, replying to Sceptic in Oxford, 3, #1190 of 2196 🔗

That doesn’t prove it one way or the other!

280627 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Sceptic in Oxford, replying to mattghg, 4, #1191 of 2196 🔗

It was a less is more response 😉

280543 ▶▶ calchas, replying to Sceptic in Oxford, 6, #1192 of 2196 🔗

Sceptic in Oxford,

the good thing about Operation Covid is that it is an ongoing process rather than a one.off event.

In time, we will all see.

I think that one year from now we will all be conspiracy theorists.

Big events coming up.

280701 ▶▶ annie, replying to Sceptic in Oxford, #1193 of 2196 🔗

Zombies are such charming people.

280815 ▶▶ Two-Six, replying to Sceptic in Oxford, 1, #1194 of 2196 🔗

All those hurt feelings . You are so uncaring. So Callous. How Dare you!

280887 ▶▶▶ Sceptic in Oxford, replying to Two-Six, 2, #1195 of 2196 🔗

That’s it. Exactly that. We’re trying to get into their heads. I know a bit about MBTI. I have a preference for facts and logic but what we are dealing with is people with a preference for feelings but they are almost impossible to communicate with. They just cannot get past basics because the feelings get in the way.

280988 ▶▶▶▶ DavidC, replying to Sceptic in Oxford, #1196 of 2196 🔗

MBTI? If I’m writing something the first time I use the abbreviation I put in parentheses the full term unless it’s extremely well knowm, e.g. ‘e.g..’


280952 ▶▶ Mark, replying to Sceptic in Oxford, 3, #1197 of 2196 🔗

It has been pointed out before in this context that you cannot reason someone out of a position that they did not reason themselves into. Your relative seems to hold the opinions she does not because of any reasoned assessment of the facts, but because she believes she should hold to those opinions because they are what good people think.

This is actually common in all areas of thuoght where there is a received elite opinion. It’s especially strong on the coronapanic, but it apples to all the “political correctness” issues. Wherever people have been indoctrinated to believe that one side of an issue is what “good people” believe and the other is only held by “bad/worthless/stupid people”.

And of course, the position is self reinforcing via the elite liberal “circle jerk” routine whereby anyone not holding the is silenced or excluded.

280420 Paul M, 8, #1198 of 2196 🔗

My MP James Daly (Conservative Bury North) voted no too (not on Tobys list). He was on the parliament list and issued a video explaining why he voted no.

Just a shame 291 MPs are quite happy for us to live in a totalitarian state, and now the threat of enforced/coerced vaccines loom large

280423 wendy, replying to wendy, 3, #1199 of 2196 🔗


Here is some info on the role out of the vaccines. Paragraph on page 9, bottom I think, give an indication of how unknown the vaccine is.

280440 ▶▶ wendy, replying to wendy, 6, #1200 of 2196 🔗

What I take from reading over that is they don’t know how good vaccination will be at reducing severity of illness or death and they don’t know if vaccination will prevent spread.

280450 ▶▶▶ Anothersceptic2, replying to wendy, 7, #1201 of 2196 🔗

That is unbelievable. If they don’t know then why the f are we rolling out non-tested essentially experimental to potentially millions of people?

280467 ▶▶▶▶ Freecumbria, replying to Anothersceptic2, 4, #1202 of 2196 🔗

Does it appear just a tiny bit cavalier to you too (doesn’t laugh )

280487 ▶▶▶▶▶ Anothersceptic2, replying to Freecumbria, 3, #1203 of 2196 🔗

Based on anything our government does now it’s totally expected to have this level of incompetence.

280532 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ wendy, replying to Anothersceptic2, 4, #1204 of 2196 🔗

Yes it is unbelievable, and I don’t know how anyone who is slightly seeing how government has behaved could agree to this rushed vaccine. Let’s see how NHS staff feel about taking it. I know my own family and friends who work for the NHS do not want it but we are all on the sceptical side of things. I suppose if lots of NHS sheep take it a number opting out will be acceptable.

280468 ▶▶▶ Arkansas, replying to wendy, 6, #1205 of 2196 🔗

As the first phase of the programme is rolled out in the UK, additional data will become available on the safety and effectiveness of COVID-19 vaccines.

It really means that they haven’t completed the appropriate trials, I suppose, and they know it. This rollout is the next phase of the trial in effect, with some sort of vague hopeful assumption that it’s going to turn out that it helps “preventing hospitalisation”.

And I’m not sure the trial so far really justifies that hopefulness, mind you. If I recall correctly, they did the trail with healthy people and measured whether the vaccine reduced mild symptoms, and the numbers involved – 43,500 leading to 94 positive test results with 8 of them in the vaccinated group versus 86 hence the “effectiveness” score – aren’t very persuasive. Certainly, any confidence in the idea that it would produce reductions in severe illness, hospitalisation or death seems currently unwarranted.

So are going to conduct the equivalent of staged trials by vaccinating group by group, and then course-correct as they go? Seems awfully… hacky.

280698 ▶▶▶▶ annie, replying to Arkansas, 1, #1206 of 2196 🔗

Well, they’re going to start with the frail elderly, and who cares about them?

280460 ▶▶ Freecumbria, replying to wendy, 3, #1207 of 2196 🔗

“These models assume an available vaccine is both safe and effective in older adults”

Let’s just assume that it’s safe shall we

280534 ▶▶▶ wendy, replying to Freecumbria, 5, #1208 of 2196 🔗

How can they know if it is safe in very elderly and frail people as these people have not been included in the trials as far as I can make out

280763 ▶▶▶ penelope pitstop, replying to Freecumbria, #1209 of 2196 🔗

when i take off in a plane i don’t want to ‘assume’ it’s safe. Just as i won’t be taking this vaccine since they make too many ‘assumptions’!
I hope there will be enough sheep lining up for it and see if they survive. I read the Dr Yeadon link above and didn’t get a feeling that he was comfortable with the level of testing and assurances for the pfizer vaxx..
I hope our concerns are unfounded as the alternative damages doesn’t bear thinking about

280464 ▶▶ dhpaul, replying to wendy, 9, #1210 of 2196 🔗

What someone should be asking is just what is the trigger point for removal of mask wearing and social distancing requirements. Not a date even, just at what point. Otherwise the public would be stupid to take an undertested vaccine with no benefits. But that assumes the public think, doesn’t it?

280472 ▶▶▶ Anothersceptic2, replying to dhpaul, 6, #1211 of 2196 🔗

Never. It will be when the public themselves decide to stop wearing them in large amounts.

280484 ▶▶▶ A. Contrarian, replying to dhpaul, 8, #1212 of 2196 🔗

I think lots of twats will wear them all winter now, every winter, to signal how much they care about protecting everyone from flu and colds and saving the NHS. Depressing thought.

280491 ▶▶▶▶ Fingerache Philip., replying to A. Contrarian, 7, #1213 of 2196 🔗

Perhaps they will freeze to their stupid faces.

280699 ▶▶▶▶ annie, replying to A. Contrarian, 3, #1214 of 2196 🔗

Don’t care.It will be a useful twat detecting device.

280977 ▶▶▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to annie, #1215 of 2196 🔗

Agreed. Useful to know who it is probably best not to start chatting to.

280485 ▶▶ Ceriain, replying to wendy, 5, #1216 of 2196 🔗

Yes, I read the whole thing this morning.

I assume you are referring to this sentence:

As the first phase of the programme is rolled out in the UK, additional data will become available on the safety and effectiveness of COVID-19 vaccines.

That basically means that the elderly and the infirm are being used experimentally (Phase 4 of the testing , if you like). Anyone who volunteers for this thing is insane!

Edit: just notice Arkansas posted similar above, but at length.

280554 ▶▶▶ wendy, replying to Ceriain, 2, #1217 of 2196 🔗

Thing is people in care homes mostly can’t consent. For my own father I think we will give consent because he always had the flu vaccine willingly. I do feel sorry for care home staff and residents it is they who are going to be the guineapigs.

I am hoping someone like Tim Martin makes a clear statement that he won’t require staff or customers to need a vaccine to work for or use his pubs. He is pretty angry. If he did it I think others would follow. I don’t know how politicians can be thinking of a vaccine passport as it will be a long time if at all that people under 50 who are healthy are offered a vaccine and by that time said virus will likely be endemic and not in evidence except in winter

280541 ▶▶ thinkaboutit, replying to wendy, 4, #1218 of 2196 🔗

From what they say on pages 9 and 10 they seem to want to have a go with the vaccine on the old and sick, they are the guines pigs. Then theyll use this to gather data for the drug company before they decide how safe it is.
So it is an untested vaccine, the British people are the material for the clinical trials.

280564 ▶▶ zacaway, replying to wendy, 1, #1219 of 2196 🔗

So has this vaccine actually been licensed or has it just been approved by the MHRA, using Hancock’s new emergency-use rules? i.e. using the new rules that were the subject of this consultation a while ago:

280425 Silke David, replying to Silke David, 6, #1220 of 2196 🔗

In my market town, market today, more stalls than the last few weeks, at 2pm most cafes look very busy.

280453 ▶▶ Anothersceptic2, replying to Silke David, 5, #1221 of 2196 🔗

And nothing will happen to the hospitalisations or deaths as a result of it. Really interested to know how they’re going to explain the lack of rises above the norm.

280459 ▶▶▶ Will, replying to Anothersceptic2, 7, #1222 of 2196 🔗

The virus has surrendered because it knows the vaccine is on the way and it has got bugles?

280489 ▶▶▶▶ Fingerache Philip., replying to Will, 1, #1223 of 2196 🔗

Is the cavalry coming?

280694 ▶▶▶▶▶ annie, replying to Fingerache Philip., 1, #1224 of 2196 🔗

No, it’s just Rin Tin Tin.

280429 Paul M, replying to Paul M, 16, #1225 of 2196 🔗

William Wragg MP, who made Guido’s Quote of the Day :

There’s no conspiracy. In my brief experience of it, the British state has never been competent enough to mount or organise such a conspiracy, and indeed if it were so in the present climate plans for that would have leaked already.

Me thinks there is a conspiracy, and deeply dangerous one – and it is in full sight for all to see on the World Economic Forum website – have a dig around the documents and its publications.

Our incompetents could not organise one true, but Germans tend to be a much methodical and disciplined in such matters. Anyone noticing that Klaus Schwab is popping up a lot and getting a bit cock-sure of himself these days.

280437 ▶▶ leggy, replying to Paul M, 11, #1226 of 2196 🔗

The state doesn’t need to organise a conspiracy if the corporatocracy does it for them.

280461 ▶▶ Darryl, replying to Paul M, 14, #1227 of 2196 🔗

The British establishment might give the impression to the public that it is incompetent in certain aspects, but in areas such as psychological warfare and social engineering it is world class.

280548 ▶▶▶ zacaway, replying to Darryl, 4, #1228 of 2196 🔗

give the impression to the public that it is incompetent

think that’s BoJo’s part of job isn’t it?

280691 ▶▶▶ Bugle, replying to Darryl, 1, #1229 of 2196 🔗

My thoughts exactly.

280483 ▶▶ Tenchy, replying to Paul M, 1, #1230 of 2196 🔗
280454 Sarigan, replying to Sarigan, 10, #1231 of 2196 🔗

People seem very confident in these vaccines! 3 new holiday bookings today.

280503 ▶▶ mattghg, replying to Sarigan, 1, #1232 of 2196 🔗

Didn’t you comment a few weeks ago, that one of your clients had already been discussing making a book “subject to a vaccine arriving”?

280549 ▶▶▶ Sarigan, replying to mattghg, 2, #1233 of 2196 🔗

Yep, several have said that. It seems that just the prospect of one is enough for some to come out of hiding though.

280596 ▶▶▶▶ CGL, replying to Sarigan, 1, #1234 of 2196 🔗

You need to keep a list so you can check up how they’re doing every now and then. Just as a personal service – you know.

280555 ▶▶ steph, replying to Sarigan, 1, #1235 of 2196 🔗

Well that is good news for you and the travel industry which has taken a real hit.

280693 ▶▶▶ annie, replying to steph, 1, #1236 of 2196 🔗

Not so fast. We Welsh are going to be jabbed double quick, while still being muzzled, distanced and jailed.

280851 ▶▶ watashi, replying to Sarigan, #1237 of 2196 🔗

Am I able to travel to Japan yet Sarigan? are the letting people in yet?

280456 Margaret, replying to Margaret, 20, #1238 of 2196 🔗

Let me get this straight. The vaccine doesn’t reduce transmission of the virus but does reduce its symptoms. Wouldn’t a couple of paracetamol (3 packs for a pound at Poundland) and a drink of hot lemon for the vitamin C, be a lot cheaper and just as effective?

Second question. What is happening about vaccines in all the other European countries which were hit badly in March? Are they doing what we are doing or don’t they CARE about their citizens?

280495 ▶▶ Kev, replying to Margaret, 7, #1239 of 2196 🔗

We have to be first to take the poison, its the British way.

Other EU nations will have to endure further safety checks before they get a chance.

280504 ▶▶ Freecumbria, replying to Margaret, 3, #1240 of 2196 🔗

Some vitamin d3 might be a good idea too. In the first randomised control trial

Results revealed that 13 out of 26 patients (50%) in the control group were admitted to ICU, and two died in the end. In the calcifediol group, only one out of 50 (2%) required ICU admission, and none died.


No money for the drug companies in vitamin D though.

280517 ▶▶▶ Margaret, replying to Freecumbria, 2, #1241 of 2196 🔗

I go for cod-liver oil myself.

280533 ▶▶▶ Kev, replying to Freecumbria, 5, #1242 of 2196 🔗

Unconfirmed (because no-one wants the answer) figures suggest that 80% of people hospitalised with Covid have some level of Vitamin D deficiency, this is particularly prevelant in older patients and darker skinned patients. We know from MSM that BAME people are more susceptible, so does this not warrant further investigation?

Zinc, Vitamin C and B12, and Selenium all help to boost the immune system.

280558 ▶▶ Chicot, replying to Margaret, 3, #1243 of 2196 🔗

Honey and black cumin have been used to good effect in Pakistan. Still, there’s no money in that so no one cares.


280462 Tyneside Tigress, replying to Tyneside Tigress, 12, #1244 of 2196 🔗

Pretty sure Boris’s accolades are looking in. I hope you are proud of what you have done – please beg for forgiveness in front of this man’s poor family:

Heartbreaking note man left his family before drowning himself after lockdown destroyed his business | Daily Mail Online

280632 ▶▶ annie, replying to Tyneside Tigress, #1245 of 2196 🔗


280658 ▶▶▶ steph, replying to annie, #1246 of 2196 🔗

It’ll have been predictive text / spellchecker. The garbage that appears in a first pass of one of my posts is unbelievable. Quite a lot remains after I’ve proof read it too 😟

280690 ▶▶▶▶ annie, replying to steph, 2, #1247 of 2196 🔗

I know the feeling.
All my lockdowns start as lickdowns.
I think it’s because I’m astygmatoc.

280692 ▶▶▶▶▶ John P, replying to annie, #1248 of 2196 🔗

I just can’t type. Most of my comments get edited after I post them!

280671 ▶▶▶ TJN, replying to annie, #1249 of 2196 🔗

I thought that too! Then I saw your post.

280470 swedenborg, replying to swedenborg, 3, #1250 of 2196 🔗

This is concerning using the effective C-19 antibody cocktail. A single mutation reduces the effectiveness of the treatment 100 fold. And this mutation is found in the C-19 mink strains in NL and DK and some others. Fortunately at present low level circulation of these strains.Could this also happen to vaccine induced immunity? We could have short term success with the vaccines but strains escaping immunity might have advantage of spread?


“Surprisingly, they found a single amino-acid mutation (E406W) can escapes both antibodies in REGN-COV2 cocktail. E406W isn’t in structural footprint of either antibody (see image), so mechanism is unclear. But it reduces cocktail neutralization by 100-fold
Finally, we used maps to see which escape mutations present in circulating SarsCov-2 Prominent ones include Y453F (associated with mink outbreaks in Denmark / Netherlands), N439K, & others (see below). But fortunately, all low frequency right now”

280841 ▶▶ Mabel Cow, replying to swedenborg, 1, #1251 of 2196 🔗

Yay! This is where the vaccine roll-out is used as the excuse for even tougher lockdowns.

Johnson: “We can’t go letting the mutated strains spread: everyone stay in your house and Amazon drones will deliver your food.”

280478 A. Contrarian, replying to A. Contrarian, 21, #1252 of 2196 🔗

Just seen the dimmest Twatter comment ever on the vaccine, in response to someone’s concerns over the unusually short development time frame.

Apparently, it’s fine because they had, like, SOOO many people working on it and all resources and funding was diverted to the vaccine search, so that explains why they could do it so quickly and still test it thoroughly to ensure that it’s safe.

Presumably they also had a time machine, so that they could project into the future 5 – 10 years or so to study the long term effects. Otherwise, no matter how much money and how many people are put into the search, only 8 months have passed and only a few thousand people have been involved, which obviously tells us nothing about the long term safety.

280499 ▶▶ calchas, replying to A. Contrarian, 14, #1253 of 2196 🔗

So, if three hundred milion people had worked on it, then we could have had a vaccine in about 45 minutes?

The writer of that statement you quoted has obviosly never heard that too many cooks spoil the broth.

280518 ▶▶▶ Danny, replying to calchas, 8, #1254 of 2196 🔗

All about belief. If enough people want it, it becomes true. Look at the science behind masks. No evidence that they anything and further that they are potentially harmful, let alone the mental health effect. But stick them on enough people and any question about masks is answered by saying “look around. Nobody else is complaining. Must be safe.”

280592 ▶▶▶▶ Cranmer, replying to Danny, 4, #1255 of 2196 🔗

Similar arguments have been used for years to scare people into wearing plastic hats while cycling.

280628 ▶▶▶▶▶ annie, replying to Cranmer, 1, #1256 of 2196 🔗

I still don’t. I am still alive.
But I do wear a hard hat when horse riding. Horses are living creatures, therefore unpredictable, and the precaution is clearly sensible. I’d have cut my head open on one occasion if I hadn’t been stoutly hatted.
In law, you are not obliged to wear a strong hard hat when horse riding, even on a public road. A cycle helmet is sufficient.

281004 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ microdave, replying to annie, #1257 of 2196 🔗

But I do wear a hard hat when horse riding

I’ve always worn a seatbelt and crash hat (when motorcycling). An early (non-inertia reel) belt almost certainly saved my life when over exuberance saw me roll a Mk1 Mini into a ditch during my teens. Crash hats have also saved me from damage on a number of occasions when myself & bike “parted company.”

But these were MY choices! Being “encouraged”, “bribed”, let alone forced into taking a hastily developed vaccine is an entirely different matter…

281007 ▶▶▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to Danny, #1258 of 2196 🔗

It’s the outsourcing of critical thought. We all do it to an extent but many out there seem to defer the biggest of decisions to anyone who just looks like they might know what they are talking about.

280536 ▶▶▶ leggy, replying to calchas, 9, #1259 of 2196 🔗

As a colleague of mine sometimes states. Even if you have nine women, it doesn’t mean you can have a baby in a month.

280689 ▶▶▶ Bugle, replying to calchas, #1260 of 2196 🔗

A broth of foul things.

280529 ▶▶ godowneasy, replying to A. Contrarian, 5, #1261 of 2196 🔗

Have seen this type of comment from high profile people here in Ireland. Yes, soooo many people and guess what? – they are all as clever a fuck. No need for long term trials because they have some great modellers on board too. So, nothing to worry about.

280540 ▶▶ steph, replying to A. Contrarian, 4, #1262 of 2196 🔗

We’ve hand the 9 women can produce a baby in one month argument before. Let’s get 40 women on in then it’s only 1 week, 280 women then it’s only one day. See, it’s just been the lack of will and ambition.

280629 ▶▶▶ annie, replying to steph, 2, #1263 of 2196 🔗

If a wancock snd a half tells a lie and a half in a day and a half, how many lies will nine wancocks tell in nine days?

280649 ▶▶▶▶ steph, replying to annie, 1, #1264 of 2196 🔗

9 to the power of 9. Everything is exponential these days

280609 ▶▶ Seansaighdeoir, replying to A. Contrarian, 3, #1265 of 2196 🔗

There was a very similiar set of comments on the DM’s vaccine articles. It looked suspiciously formulaic – perhaps the 77th in action…?

280753 ▶▶ Basileus, replying to A. Contrarian, 1, #1266 of 2196 🔗

Yes, this is an example of the ‘Mythical Man Month’. It takes a woman 9 months to have a baby, but increasing the number of women does not reduce the time.

280980 ▶▶ microdave, replying to A. Contrarian, #1267 of 2196 🔗

Presumably they also had a time machine, so that they could project into the future 5 – 10 years or so

I’ve long distrusted claims of “Lasts x Hours” or similar on LED lamp bulbs. Since they are fairly new technology, there is no way that 20-50,000 hours claims have been proven in real life – it’s all based on much shorter time frames and harsher testing regimes. The proof is how many I’ve had to change on my friends farm after only a year or so…

280999 ▶▶ Basileus, replying to A. Contrarian, #1268 of 2196 🔗

See my comment on the mythical man month.

280482 Victoria, replying to Victoria, 9, #1269 of 2196 🔗

How can *anyone* on the MHRA bd [Board] be permitted to have any interests in pharmaceuticals? This declaration cannot prevent those interests influencing their decisions on policy,even if they excuse themselves from licensing bsnss in which they hv interests.


280539 ▶▶ godowneasy, replying to Victoria, 5, #1270 of 2196 🔗

They are all in it up to their necks – and, hopefully, at some point in the future they will be buried up to their necks by the survivors.

280608 ▶▶▶ annie, replying to godowneasy, 2, #1271 of 2196 🔗

Why stop at the neck?

280490 Victoria, 3, #1272 of 2196 🔗

UN, Big Tech, and World Economic Forum launch behavioral control experiment to boost vaccine compliance and push communist economic system


280492 Victoria, replying to Victoria, 9, #1273 of 2196 🔗

Credibility of European Court of Human Rights lies in ruins after judges’ links to Soros revealed

280522 ▶▶ Voz 0db, replying to Victoria, 8, #1274 of 2196 🔗

Did that gang of scoundrels ever had “credibility”?

ALL institutions in the EU are corrupted to the core, because all those working there are scoundrels.

280546 ▶▶▶ Steve Hayes, replying to Voz 0db, 3, #1275 of 2196 🔗

The European Court of Human Rights and the European Union are two completely different things.

280587 ▶▶▶▶ RickH, replying to Steve Hayes, #1276 of 2196 🔗

Yes – but many anti-Europe fanatics aren’t equipped to understand distinctions like that.

… as Bojo illustrates.

280709 ▶▶▶▶ Voz 0db, replying to Steve Hayes, #1277 of 2196 🔗

Bla bla bla…

Nowadays, dear moron, EU or EUrope is the same BS.

280828 ▶▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to Steve Hayes, #1278 of 2196 🔗

Yep – and the corruption and incompetence of the eu has long been known.

Now we find that the ECHR are just as bad.

280496 Voz 0db, replying to Voz 0db, 5, #1279 of 2196 🔗

Your “victories” are quite funny! Moving on…

Julia Hartley Brewer Eviscerated Colonel Bob Stewart MP

I love the argument that if the scoundrel and jesters if office (BlowJo) made the “wrong” decision “people would die”… That’s PRECISELY what his been doing since day one: ONE WRONG DECISION after the other and causing people to die due to direct result of those decisions…

But never mind that also!

Let us all embrace the “India Method” CLEARLY WORKED WONDERFULLY for them…

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Don’t start performing some Jedburgh’s actions and you’ll see where this ends!

280570 ▶▶ Ben, replying to Voz 0db, 3, #1280 of 2196 🔗

What’s the point of being healthy if you can’t live your life?

Those who make up the Covid Cabal who are terrorising the world and forcing governments to implement lockdowns must be bona-fide psychopaths

280604 ▶▶▶ annie, replying to Ben, 2, #1281 of 2196 🔗

Sadists, more like. They get a real kick out of torturing and humiliating people who can’t, or won’t, hit back.

280714 ▶▶▶ Voz 0db, replying to Ben, #1282 of 2196 🔗

Who is trying to be healthy?!

280519 Lockdown_Lunacy, replying to Lockdown_Lunacy, 29, #1283 of 2196 🔗

Some of you may remember my post yesterday about my local garage and the unwelcoming mask signage. Well, this garage is too good to give up on easily, so I went back today to have my MOT. Walked in, staff fully unmasked, same friendly and efficient service as always.

Turns out the signs were just for show.

280526 ▶▶ leggy, replying to Lockdown_Lunacy, 12, #1284 of 2196 🔗

They’re probably forced to display them by the local Sicherheitsdienst under pain of transfer to the mines.

280528 ▶▶ Ceriain, replying to Lockdown_Lunacy, 4, #1285 of 2196 🔗

Yay! Nice one. 👍🏻

280531 ▶▶ Fingerache Philip., replying to Lockdown_Lunacy, 6, #1286 of 2196 🔗

Great, LL, that’s cheered me up no end.
Surrounded by collaborators and sheep this morning.

280557 ▶▶ c s, replying to Lockdown_Lunacy, 13, #1287 of 2196 🔗

Ditto. Took my car in for a service and MOT this morning. Signs up everywhere, bottles of sanitiser displayed etc. However no staff in masks and when I came to pay, the lady working there went to grab the door for me with a sanitiser wipe…when I beat her to it with bare hands she said “ah good for you, sick of all this cleaning nonsense…what a load of rubbish”

280581 ▶▶ Dave Angel Eco Warrier, replying to Lockdown_Lunacy, 7, #1288 of 2196 🔗

Ditto. I’ve taken my car in twice during mask time and the signs are there because they have to display them. I walked in maskless and everyone else was too, both the numerous staff and other customers.

280590 ▶▶ annie, replying to Lockdown_Lunacy, 6, #1289 of 2196 🔗

Good for you for persisting.

280776 ▶▶ Stephanos, replying to Lockdown_Lunacy, #1290 of 2196 🔗

Glad to hear that, I thought that might be so.

280845 ▶▶ watashi, replying to Lockdown_Lunacy, #1291 of 2196 🔗

yay! glad you braved it.

280521 swedenborg, 7, #1292 of 2196 🔗

Spoiling the Pfizer party today from Kevin McKernan


“A Vax strategy that focuses on a small part of the most mutagenic region of the genome is analogous to squeezing water. Nat. Immunity…..Your immune system will build defenses against multiple epitopes in the virus making it more difficult for it to wiggle through your grip.

280530 Victoria, replying to Victoria, 3, #1293 of 2196 🔗

Expert points out “shaky science” behind AstraZeneca’s coronavirus vaccine trial resul ts..
The negatives of AstraZeneca’s coronavirus jab outweigh its supposed positives

Bastian’s article came after AstraZeneca announced Nov. 23 the results of its clinical trials for its vaccine. The announcement followed earlier updates by Pfizer and Moderna, whose mRNA-based vaccines registered more than 90 percent efficacy rates. The British firm’s jab does not require ultra-cold storage unlike the other two candidates, and is also the most affordable COVID-19 vaccine to date at £2 (US$2.66) per dose compared to Pfizer’s £15 (US$19.96) single dose price and Moderna’s £26 (US$34.60) price.

AstraZeneca’s vaccine uses a harmless adenovirus – similar to the one that causes the common cold – to deliver genetic material that prompts the body to produce proteins known as antigens. These antigens which help the immune system develop an arsenal against infection are found on the surface of the SARS-CoV-2 pathogen.

However, trials for the firm’s vaccine have hit multiple roadblocks over the past few months. Two participants experienced spinal inflammation back in September, while a third participant died during clinical trials in Brazil. Further investigation revealed that toxic ingredients in the jab such as aborted human fetal tissue played a role in the adverse effects reported following administration of the vaccine candidate.


280585 ▶▶ annie, replying to Victoria, 9, #1294 of 2196 🔗

Catholics aren’t going to accept anything made of aborted foetal tissue.
So will Catholics be banned from bars and restaurants, forbidden to travel, etc. etc.?

280796 ▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to annie, 2, #1295 of 2196 🔗

I can’t see Jews or Muslims being too keen either. Hindus automatically vegetarians. As are most Buddhists. Perhaps adherents of the Jedi religion will step forward ?

280535 Fingerache Philip., replying to Fingerache Philip., 28, #1296 of 2196 🔗

My mood has risen no end.
Drakeford has been banned from 100 pubs in Wales.

280545 ▶▶ Hieronimusb, replying to Fingerache Philip., 2, #1297 of 2196 🔗

Who needs alcohol when you’re drunk on power..

280553 ▶▶ CGL, replying to Fingerache Philip., 1, #1298 of 2196 🔗

Must be more than that!

280562 ▶▶ Ben, replying to Fingerache Philip., 4, #1299 of 2196 🔗

Perhaps Mr Drakeford could apologise to the grieving friends and relatives of this poor woman


280567 ▶▶▶ Fingerache Philip., replying to Ben, #1300 of 2196 🔗

Don’t hold your breath.

280578 ▶▶▶ annie, replying to Ben, 2, #1301 of 2196 🔗

No comments allowed on that story, I notice.

280571 ▶▶ annie, replying to Fingerache Philip., 2, #1302 of 2196 🔗

Does he ever drink more than sour milk diluted with dirty water?
Still, a ban is a good thing thing.

280621 ▶▶ George L, replying to Fingerache Philip., 2, #1303 of 2196 🔗

Can’t someone get him to visit a local firing range..

280722 ▶▶▶ annie, replying to George L, 1, #1304 of 2196 🔗

We have one half a mile away. Normally, they use a cardboard cutout as a target. I’m sure a real live mini-Stalin would make for much better target practice.

280957 ▶▶▶▶ Hieronimusb, replying to annie, #1305 of 2196 🔗

I think we need to get him down to Castlemartin, see if he can outrun a Centurion Mk 12.

280959 ▶▶▶▶ microdave, replying to annie, #1306 of 2196 🔗

Normally, they use a cardboard cutout as a target

I watched an episode of “Salvage Hunters” last night in which Drew Pritchard bought a pair of 60’s (70’s?) vintage CARDBOARD CHAIRS. Find another one, invite Drakeford to get comfy, and then…..

280537 Cheezilla, replying to Cheezilla, 6, #1307 of 2196 🔗

Wancock’s grandfather must have been one of the 5!

280569 ▶▶ Peter, replying to Cheezilla, 2, #1308 of 2196 🔗

How long from the request did it take to get this sent through? Not doubting it is real but utterly flabbergasting that figures are being pitched as they are for 5 deaths in one of the “worst hit” areas.

281369 ▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Peter, #1309 of 2196 🔗

Unfortunately, my MP put me straight on this:

… the Merseycare NHS Foundation Trust is the mental health NHS for Liverpool with a few small hospital units. The main trust the Liverpool University Hospitals NHS Trust has had 910 covid deaths and the other is the Liverpool Heart and Chest Hospital NHS Foundation Trust had 24 deaths.

Still not massive numbers over 10 months though .

280542 Squire Western, 4, #1310 of 2196 🔗

Wow….Julia H-B chewed up that MP and spat him out! They’ll be no need for Colonel Bob to be visiting Miss Whiplash for a disciplining any time soon after such a public spanking!

280544 Ben, replying to Ben, 4, #1311 of 2196 🔗

Is life being destroyed for the benefit of shareholders? A list needs compiling of all of them


280556 ▶▶ Ben, replying to Ben, 4, #1312 of 2196 🔗
280563 ▶▶ Hieronimusb, replying to Ben, 5, #1313 of 2196 🔗

It’s an uncomfortable fact that lives have been sacrificed for corporate profit ever since such commercial agglomerations have existed. That serving politicians or their advisers have conflicts of interest of this nature and magnitude is beyond belief and an utter disgrace.

280584 ▶▶▶ Cicatriz, replying to Hieronimusb, 3, #1314 of 2196 🔗

Merger of state and corporate interest.

280615 ▶▶▶▶ George L, replying to Cicatriz, 3, #1315 of 2196 🔗

= Fascism.. throw in a few lefties and you get the magic mix.. F*’com!

280642 ▶▶▶▶ zacaway, replying to Cicatriz, 1, #1316 of 2196 🔗

Certainly helps if you’ve got a shoe-in with the Government:

Winner of PPE jackpot buys third home


280660 ▶▶▶▶▶ Cranmer, replying to zacaway, 1, #1317 of 2196 🔗

I read that as ‘PPE jackboot’. Can’t think why!

280944 ▶▶▶▶ Hieronimusb, replying to Cicatriz, #1318 of 2196 🔗

Indeed, Benito would have been proud.

280568 ▶▶ RickH, replying to Ben, 1, #1319 of 2196 🔗

We knew that weeks ago!

280607 ▶▶ CGL, replying to chris, 1, #1321 of 2196 🔗

In UK Column today they were saying it is a culture from a sample taken in the 60’s. Still not very nice i agree.

280702 ▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to CGL, #1322 of 2196 🔗

There was a HUGE hoo-haa in the US last year about the sale of aborted baby parts. Might still be on the interweb.

280882 ▶▶▶▶ Bugle, replying to JohnB, #1323 of 2196 🔗

Planned Parenthood.

280561 Ceriain, replying to Ceriain, 8, #1324 of 2196 🔗

Well, I’m now on first name terms with our Secretary of State for Covid-19.

I posted the other day that I got an email from him, me being on the ‘clinically extremely vulnerable’ group. Today I got a hard copy of that email in the post; 8 fucking pages of it, sent first class mail (he cares). What a waste of money!

Here’s the signature on the letter. What a tit!

280573 ▶▶ Cicatriz, replying to Ceriain, 4, #1325 of 2196 🔗

He can spell Matt, it has one syllable. My only surprise is that it doesn’t have beginners cursive guides.

280650 ▶▶ kenadams, replying to Ceriain, 2, #1326 of 2196 🔗

I agree – a complete twit. I’ve never seen someone sign just their first name like that.

280844 ▶▶ G.Fawkes, replying to Ceriain, 2, #1327 of 2196 🔗

He spelled ‘Wanker’ wrong.

280565 Cranmer, replying to Cranmer, 23, #1328 of 2196 🔗

Conversation overheard in my village high street yesterday. Three people, late middle age. Just ordinary middle-Englanders.
First person: ‘Never mind, it’ll soon be over, we’ll be getting the vaccine.’ (Pause).
Second person: ‘I’d like to take it, but I’m worried about what might be in it.’
Third person: ‘I’m definitely not having it!’

Maybe there is some hope.

280586 ▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Cranmer, 13, #1329 of 2196 🔗

I think most people don’t want it and hope everyone else takes it so the restrictions can be removed. Quite a conundrum!

280601 ▶▶▶ JHuntz, replying to Cheezilla, 3, #1330 of 2196 🔗

it’s a game of cat and mouse amongst the population

280624 ▶▶▶ Will, replying to Cheezilla, 4, #1331 of 2196 🔗

I don’t see what the conundrum is, as the vaccine doesn’t prevent transmission, it only protects the person who takes it so, if you are happy to take your chances with the virus, there are no issues.

280647 ▶▶▶▶ Cranmer, replying to Will, 6, #1332 of 2196 🔗

I think many of those in favour of the vaccine don’t know that it doesn’t prevent transmission. I’ve seen a lot of social media posts about it being necessary to take it to ‘protect others’, ie, coercion is justified on public health grounds.

281001 ▶▶▶▶▶ DJ Dod, replying to Cranmer, #1333 of 2196 🔗

Given that the Government has ordered enough vaccine to give everyone in the country multiple doses, it seems reasonable to assume that anyone who wants it will be able to have it, and those that don’t want it are happy to take their chances with Covid. So, why the pressure to ‘protect others’?

280661 ▶▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to Cheezilla, 5, #1334 of 2196 🔗

If people want an end to restrictions, they only need to stop following them!

280653 ▶▶ Ben, replying to Cranmer, 2, #1335 of 2196 🔗

They seem to forget that it’s not just one vaccine but a series of them (according to Bill Gates) and regular Microsoft updates at regular intervals thereafter for life (vaccine boosters) and these are tied to immunity passports which control and limit our freedom. The plantation owner wants to brand us

I wish it was just one vaccine

280673 ▶▶▶ Bugle, replying to Ben, #1336 of 2196 🔗

What about the free tattoo?

280768 ▶▶▶▶ Two-Six, replying to Bugle, #1337 of 2196 🔗

The Quantum one

280784 ▶▶ Old Bill, replying to Cranmer, 2, #1338 of 2196 🔗

but I’m worried about what might be in it

The mRNA vaccines from BioNTech/Pfizer contain polyethylene glycol (PEG) (source Dr Mike Yeadon)

And this is what one American site says about it (just the first one I saw nothing special about the choice of sites)

You should not use this medicine if you are allergic to polyethylene glycol, or if you have a bowel obstruction or intestinal blockage. If you have any of these conditions, you could have dangerous or life-threatening side effects from polyethylene glycol 3350.

People with eating disorders (such as anorexia or bulimia) should not use this medication without the advice of a doctor.

To make sure this medicine is safe for you, tell your doctor if you have:

nausea , vomiting , or severe stomach pain;

ulcerative colitis ;

irritable bowel syndrome ;

kidney disease; or

if you have had a sudden change in bowel habits that has lasted 2 weeks or longer.

FDA pregnancy category C. It is not known whether polyethylene glycol 3350 will harm an unborn baby. Tell your doctor if you are pregnant or plan to become pregnant while using this medication.

It is not known whether polyethylene glycol 3350 passes into breast milk or if it could harm a nursing baby. Tell your doctor if you are breast-feeding a baby.

NB. I am not a chemist and have very little knowledge of the subject, perhaps the numbers 3350 after the drug name mean it is something different. I would not know.

280566 Darryl, replying to Darryl, 8, #1339 of 2196 🔗

This was shocking from the Met Paramilitary in London at the weekend. True police state stuff.

Piers being arrested after giving a speech London march 28.11.20

280644 ▶▶ Ben, replying to Darryl, 3, #1340 of 2196 🔗

Piers is a hero compared with his quisling brother

280572 zacaway, replying to zacaway, 14, #1341 of 2196 🔗

Netherlands has fallen:

Coronavirus: Netherlands makes face masks mandatory indoors


Anywhere left in the world that has not been infected with this lunacy?

280582 ▶▶ Seansaighdeoir, replying to zacaway, 6, #1342 of 2196 🔗

Tanzania looking good.

280595 ▶▶▶ steve_w, replying to Seansaighdeoir, 1, #1343 of 2196 🔗

yep. wife just got back from there. They were hyper-prepared but in never came

280583 ▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to zacaway, #1344 of 2196 🔗

That’s an about turn since the weekend!

280600 ▶▶ George L, replying to zacaway, 7, #1345 of 2196 🔗

Read up on bacterial pneumonia .. its what the Spanish Flu really was, and wearing masks gives it an ideal kick start. WHO’d a thought it eh!

280631 ▶▶▶ zacaway, replying to George L, 5, #1346 of 2196 🔗

Pretty sure the masks are just as physiologically damaging as they are psychologically. Probably intended.

280810 ▶▶▶ Mabel Cow, replying to George L, #1347 of 2196 🔗

“The majority of deaths were from bacterial pneumonia, a common secondary infection associated with influenza. This pneumonia was itself caused by common upper respiratory-tract bacteria, which were able to get into the lungs via the damaged bronchial tubes of the victims.”


280643 ▶▶ Ben, replying to zacaway, 5, #1348 of 2196 🔗

The Netherlands is occupied as well..by the WEF? Who is the Covid Cabal who are imposing coups on every country?

A global flu d’etat. Perhaps even WW3

280662 ▶▶ Julian, replying to zacaway, 1, #1349 of 2196 🔗

In terms of masks there’s no mask mandate that I know of in Sweden

Possibly none in South Dakota either

280575 jakehadlee, replying to jakehadlee, 9, #1350 of 2196 🔗

Do you think the fact that the elderly and vulnerable will not be the first in line for the vaccine may be anything to do with the fact that the Government know it wouldn’t be great PR when the elderly and sick start to die from the effects of the vaccine and/or have absolutely no protection from it and die of something else?

280612 ▶▶ zacaway, replying to jakehadlee, 2, #1351 of 2196 🔗

I would assume so, give it to the NHS first to see how it goes and they can slap them with an NDA to try to stop news getting out. They also probably have a higher chance of survival than the old & sick.

Thinking about it, what are the chances that the Government will allow Piers Morgan to take the real vaccine live on air? I would suggest zero. They’ll either block it or give him a placebo. If he had any adverse reaction, nobody else is going to take it.

280937 ▶▶▶ microdave, replying to zacaway, #1352 of 2196 🔗

Give it to the NHS first to see how it goes

The only problem with that is the risk of massive staff shortages if it DOES have nasty side effects! We’ve already got bugger all chance of receiving the care we are being taxed for – this could take it to a whole new level.

No, give it to ALL MP’s who voted for the latest tiers, and any media “Lovie” who says it should be mandatory…

281211 ▶▶▶▶ Ewan Duffy, replying to microdave, #1353 of 2196 🔗

Massive staff shortages in the NHS means more lockdown because the NHS will be overwhelmed otherwise.

280646 ▶▶ Ceriain, replying to jakehadlee, 1, #1354 of 2196 🔗

Are you sure, Jake?

1 Residents in a care home for older adults and their carers

2 All those 80 years of age and over, Frontline health and social care workers

3 All those 75 years of age and over

4 All those 70 years of age and over, Clinically extremely vulnerable individuals*

5 All those 65 years of age and over

Looks like they plan to kill vaccinate those in care homes that the virus didn’t kill get first time round.

280579 Cheezilla, replying to Cheezilla, 5, #1355 of 2196 🔗

I just finished watching UK Column. They began with this clip of Wankock announcing the vaccine this morning. If he hadn’t been able to create some furrows on his forehaed, I’d have sworn his entire face apart from his mouth was completely botoxed.

He says he’s “thrilled with the news” but look at his eyes.
Note also how, when he says “it will help us all get back to nomal” he’s fighting the urge to shake his head and burst into tears.

Sorry to inflict him on you but it’s only for a couple of minutes. See if you agree with me:


280677 ▶▶ Ceriain, replying to Cheezilla, 2, #1356 of 2196 🔗

Obviously forgot to pack that onion he used in the HOC last night.

281207 ▶▶ Ewan Duffy, replying to Cheezilla, 1, #1357 of 2196 🔗

“Note also how, when he says “it will help us all get back to nomal” he’s fighting the urge to shake his head and burst into tears.”

At this stage, he knows he is lying – there is no return to the old normal.

280580 theanalyst, replying to theanalyst, 8, #1358 of 2196 🔗

Looks like student testing is quietly being shifted over to the lateral flow tests. Good news.



So maybe we won’t see such a high surge in cases as students get tested before they try to get home. The PCR tests generated thousands of so called cases in late September and October, with positivity rates of up to 20%. Lateral Flow should be less than 1% positivity, hopefully.

280597 ▶▶ Anothersceptic2, replying to theanalyst, #1359 of 2196 🔗

Assuming they are more accurate as per the liverpool testing results then it shouldn’t yield anything of an significance.

280599 ▶▶ PFD, replying to theanalyst, 2, #1360 of 2196 🔗

In the end of term testing prior to travelling home for Christmas all the universities are using the lateral flow test. My understanding is that these have been supplied by government.

280603 ▶▶▶ Anothersceptic2, replying to PFD, #1361 of 2196 🔗

results should be interesting then

280620 ▶▶ Ceriain, replying to theanalyst, 2, #1362 of 2196 🔗

Looks like student testing is quietly being shifted over to the lateral flow tests. Good news.

Looks like student testing is being completely stopped. Great news.

That would be much better!

PS. Not knocking you ; I do get what you’re saying. 🙂

280640 ▶▶▶ theanalyst, replying to Ceriain, 1, #1363 of 2196 🔗


280630 ▶▶ Ben, replying to theanalyst, 8, #1364 of 2196 🔗

I would like no testing at all for coronaviruses. Zero Covid testing

280638 ▶▶▶ theanalyst, replying to Ben, 3, #1365 of 2196 🔗

Me too.

280606 ▶▶ Ceriain, replying to Anothersceptic2, 11, #1367 of 2196 🔗

Yup! Somebody posted the other day a video from RTE; a young Irish girl (8-10 year old actress?) giving her soft toy the vaccine and she kept mentioning Pfizer, (not something I would expect a normal kid to do).

Obviously scripted and totally disgusting. The Irish government has gone completely mad.

280645 ▶▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to Ceriain, 6, #1368 of 2196 🔗

So has our own 🤬

280680 ▶▶▶ stefarm, replying to Ceriain, 4, #1369 of 2196 🔗

Gross, an infomercial for a vaccine company. Child abuse

280618 ▶▶ wendy, replying to Anothersceptic2, 6, #1370 of 2196 🔗

Propaganda. Innocent children being indoctrinated. Ireland seems even worse than here.

280626 ▶▶ leggy, replying to Anothersceptic2, 2, #1371 of 2196 🔗

Disgusting. The subject was different, but the Manics were right.


280819 ▶▶ watashi, replying to Anothersceptic2, 1, #1372 of 2196 🔗

jeez. some people are completely nuts!

280589 Steve Hayes, replying to Steve Hayes, 12, #1373 of 2196 🔗

The regulator cannot know that the vaccine is safe.

280625 ▶▶ Ben, replying to Steve Hayes, 3, #1374 of 2196 🔗

If it’s safe there’s no need for it to be indemnified

280591 steve_w, replying to steve_w, 19, #1375 of 2196 🔗

I’ve heard Johnson, Hancock and Van Tam say they’d be happy to take the vaccine but would prefer it to go to someone in more need!

So transparent! I think they and their families should go first – remember Gummer making his daughter eat that burger?

280670 ▶▶ Neil Hartley, replying to steve_w, 6, #1376 of 2196 🔗

Even if they showed them having the vaccine it would likely be a placebo. They are after all politicians (scrub that) parasites.

280593 microdave, replying to microdave, 29, #1377 of 2196 🔗

What would they do to us if a truly awesome contagion were to turn up?

I called the doctors surgery yesterday – for years this has needed a call at precisely 8:00AM to stand any chance of getting on the telephone queuing system. Now you have to initially explain why you want to speak to (let alone see) a doctor, and then wait for a call back. This duly came at 11:30, and was from a doctor I’ve never heard of. He agreed to order me a prescription, and I drove up to collect it after lunch. On arrival there was a queue outside the pharmacy, including a visibly agitated Royal Mail girl. She clearly only wanted to drop off some items (and is no doubt extremely busy at the moment), but only 2 are allowed inside at one time, so we all stood in the cold for several more minutes. Eventually she made her delivery, and shortly after I gained entry. Large signs said “Masks Must Be Worn” (no mention of exemptions, and I reluctantly put mine on), collected the prescription and asked how I could get a specimen jar, as signs on the main entrance say not to visit without an appointment. I was assured I could go in and ask, so I did and waited……and waited! Lots of screens to protect the office staff (who were all masked) but little sign of any “Service”. Finally I was able to approach the distancing barrier, and make my request, then had to stand back until a hatch was opened (just a little) and handed the jar. After beating a hasty retreat I was left contemplating the “NHS Doctor’s” quote above.

Ebola, anyone?

P.S. I went back this morning to hand in the specimen, and was greeted by the sight of two overweight (one seriously) nurses huddled around a car outside, then a ginormous receptionist inside – why are we constantly lectured about our health, yet their own people are some of the worst examples?

280605 ▶▶ Victoria, replying to microdave, 22, #1378 of 2196 🔗

Large signs said “Masks Must Be Worn” (no mention of exemptions)

Even if there is no mention of mask exemptions, you still have the right to be exempt. Don’t let these things bully you

280598 PhilipF, 6, #1379 of 2196 🔗

Decent take-down of the Gove creature…


The author was on Nick Ferrari yesterday on the same topic (at 2 hours 10 mins). [Beware, if you put it on before then you run risk of hearing the Gove creature itself]


280611 petgor, replying to petgor, 7, #1380 of 2196 🔗

Although someone in the know on Talk Radio this morning assured listeners that no one would be forced to have the jab, I wouldn’t put it past our masters and mistresses in the government to have quiet word with other foreign governments asking them to insist on jab certificates before entry to their countries.

280639 ▶▶ Mike, replying to petgor, 8, #1381 of 2196 🔗

I think they will slowly apply pressure to the larger companies and corporations to gradually roll out vaccine mandates under the cover of ‘Health and Safety’. They can legitimately say the government hasn’t mandated anything its those naughty ceo’s.

280783 ▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to Mike, 2, #1382 of 2196 🔗

Difficult. Most people’s contracts of employment won’t mention mandatory medical procedures.

280614 Tyneside Tigress, replying to Tyneside Tigress, 8, #1383 of 2196 🔗

Risk management 101 – never have a husband and wife team checking each other’s homework. Remember someone called Nick Leeson? Care to check BioNTech senior team?

280636 ▶▶ mattghg, replying to Tyneside Tigress, 4, #1384 of 2196 🔗

You’re going to have to spell it out for us (or for me, anyway)…

280656 ▶▶▶ Mabel Cow, replying to mattghg, 1, #1385 of 2196 🔗
280668 ▶▶▶▶ mattghg, replying to Mabel Cow, 1, #1386 of 2196 🔗

Another thing we’re going to do to this virus, apparently!

  • Defeat
  • Stop
  • Throttle
  • Solve
280616 PatrickF, replying to PatrickF, 10, #1387 of 2196 🔗

Time for televised vaccinations of all lockdownistas. I’ll wait for five years to see how you are.

280847 ▶▶ Rowan, replying to PatrickF, #1388 of 2196 🔗

Five years should be ample, won’t be many left.

280860 ▶▶ George L, replying to PatrickF, #1389 of 2196 🔗

The Deagel forecast for the UK in 2025 is 14,000,000.. Down 78%..

Forecast 2025 DEAGEL

280622 c s, replying to c s, 16, #1390 of 2196 🔗

Started my new political advent calendar yesterday. Exactly like a normal advent calendar except you have a dick behind number 10

280683 ▶▶ John P, replying to c s, 6, #1391 of 2196 🔗

There’s a magic money tree behind the number 11 as well.

280634 Mike, replying to Mike, 10, #1392 of 2196 🔗

Has anyone considered the thought that Hancock et al may be so keen to get this newfangled vaccine rolled out as of the announcements today so that the annual death surge associated with January/February could potentially act as cover for any adverse reaction deaths which may occur in the care home residents who have been volunteered to be the Guinea pigs?
Based on how they’ve been sacrificed over the course of this year I wouldn’t put it past them. Similarly, wouldn’t any subsequent per test show positive if they’ve had the jab?

280652 ▶▶ Anothersceptic2, replying to Mike, 2, #1393 of 2196 🔗

They’ve done it for multiple regions, they’ve assumed it will immediately make people forget about the ridiculous tiers that they’re now in.

280635 Tyneside Tigress, replying to Tyneside Tigress, 16, #1394 of 2196 🔗

Call to anyone who gets a letter with an appointment for the vaccine:

Reply that you have forwarded the letter to the MP, who you have nominated to replace you on the list. Clearly, if there are multiple people getting appointments in one household, then the whole of the MPs household can get it – kills several birds with one stone, so to speak!

280651 ▶▶ Ceriain, replying to Tyneside Tigress, 6, #1395 of 2196 🔗

Reply that you have forwarded the letter to the MP, who you have nominated to replace you on the list .

LMAO! I like your style, T. 🙂

280654 ▶▶ Ceriain, replying to Tom Blackburn, 1, #1397 of 2196 🔗

Good for him. 👍🏻

280740 ▶▶ JohnB, replying to Tom Blackburn, 1, #1398 of 2196 🔗

Excellent !

280747 ▶▶ mhcp, replying to Tom Blackburn, 1, #1399 of 2196 🔗

The fact it had to get to court is a sadder indictment of the system.

280657 leggy, replying to leggy, 11, #1400 of 2196 🔗

The Mail is now essentially saying that 75% of hospital infections are either nosocomial or false positives then – pretty sure that’s been discussed at length already in sceptical circles.


280696 ▶▶ Ceriain, replying to leggy, 2, #1401 of 2196 🔗

Why do they need a ‘whistleblower’ to tell them this? FFS!

This Admissions scam has been out there (well, here anyway) since my post on October 14th, followed by Toby’s NHS doc’s article on the 15th.


NickR has also been working hard keeping the Admission scam in view, here on LS, regularly.

The numbers are not hidden! They can be found on the NHS’s own website!

It’s hardly an exclusive, Daily Mail!

280741 ▶▶▶ leggy, replying to Ceriain, 1, #1402 of 2196 🔗

Quite. NickR’s work here has been exceptional. Had no idea the percentage was so big though!

280965 ▶▶▶ Ndovu, replying to Ceriain, 2, #1403 of 2196 🔗

No – But it gets it out to the masses, not just the people here.

280663 John P, replying to John P, 13, #1404 of 2196 🔗

I’ve noted a number of comments regarding the vaccine which display a painful lack of knowledge of the subject.

Rather than spouting rubbish it is better simply to state your objections by linking to those better qualified to know.

While I would consider myself an educated layman I don’t have the expertise and experience of someone like Dr Mike Yeadon who has recently expressed deep reservations about Pfizer’s new “vaccine”.

Link here:


I have no intention of taking this vaccine myself.

280667 ▶▶ John P, replying to John P, 2, #1405 of 2196 🔗

I think as we are no longer a part of the EU this petition does not directly apply to us.

280840 ▶▶▶ Rowan, replying to John P, #1406 of 2196 🔗

Or does it?

280872 ▶▶ Rowan, replying to John P, 3, #1407 of 2196 🔗

You don’t have to be an immunologist, to know that a fast tracked hardly tested liability free vaccine for something with an IFR of around 0.14% isn’t just a bad idea, it’s actually the absolute height of madness. Only the clinically insane would give consent to a Covid-19 vaccination, which seems to be on a par with playing Russian roulette and just one chamber empty.

280666 Buby1976, replying to Buby1976, 23, #1408 of 2196 🔗

The Netherlands has imposed by law the wearing of masks indoors. They have gone full retard, and are playing catch up with other idiotic governments like Belgium’s, UK’s or France. No longer are the Dutch the exception, they proved they are just sheeple like most of Europe. I am beyond angry at the level of stupidity and acquiescence of a society that prided itself as a bastion of freedom. As an expat living in the Netherlands, I am seriously considering moving and never looking back. The Netherlands I’ve come to love and appreciate is no more.It has been replaced by a faceless sea of zombies.

280674 ▶▶ Achilles, replying to Buby1976, 11, #1409 of 2196 🔗

Unfortunately we do have a pandemic of stupidity that has spread around the world. Shame there’s no vaccine.

280707 ▶▶▶ John P, replying to Achilles, 1, #1410 of 2196 🔗

There is a cure for stupidity. Just take a dose of common sense.

280836 ▶▶▶ Rowan, replying to Achilles, 2, #1411 of 2196 🔗

Not quite the same, but the Covid-19 vaccines may be designed to remove a great many of the most stupid.

280676 ▶▶ Anothersceptic2, replying to Buby1976, 4, #1412 of 2196 🔗

And their “numbers” will get worse because of it.

280679 ▶▶▶ Ceriain, replying to Anothersceptic2, 3, #1413 of 2196 🔗

Just like everywhere else that’s done it. 🙁

280808 ▶▶▶▶ watashi, replying to Ceriain, #1414 of 2196 🔗

Hi Ceriain, was it you who posted the list of deaths per month for 2018,19 and 20 recently? if so, where can I find it please?

280802 ▶▶ watashi, replying to Buby1976, #1416 of 2196 🔗

Where will you move to? where is free of insanity? pray tell

280892 ▶▶▶ Buby1976, replying to watashi, 2, #1417 of 2196 🔗

The farther from Europe the better. Countries that have more or less returned to normal and you can travel to pretty hassle free are Turkey, Egypt, Morocco, Mexico, Brazil, Tanzania, a few Caribbean countries that offer long term visas to expats and others. You may not have the living standard of Europe or US, but what is that worth without basic freedoms? Recently I was in Bangladesh and it felt 100 times freer: all the shops, restaurants, theaters, markets open, zero distancing, people shaking hands, live bands (when was the last time you saw that in Europe?), wearing of masks compulsory indoors but zero enforcement. I am sure that other countries in SE Asia will follow suit soon (Thailand, Vietnam, Indonesia or Sri Lanka, I’m looking at you!). In the coming months there will be more developing countries willing to open doors to the increasing numbers of disaffected westerners. I do not think the insanity will end until the western societies are thoroughly destroyed, so whoever is capable of working “from home” ,might as well pick that home where they can still live as human beings.

281210 ▶▶▶▶ tonyspurs, replying to Buby1976, 1, #1418 of 2196 🔗

Turkey all bars and restaurants shut curfews 9pm-5am week days 24hr curfews weekend, over 65s only allowed out 10am -1pm under 20s allowed out 1pm-3pm weekdays over 65s & under 20s not allowed to use public transport and mandated masks in shops and outside so I would strike Turkey off your list

280946 ▶▶▶ dommo, replying to watashi, 1, #1419 of 2196 🔗

cayman islands apparently…

281323 ▶▶▶▶ CGL, replying to dommo, #1420 of 2196 🔗

Ooh like that idea – off to dust of the diving gear

281321 ▶▶▶ CGL, replying to watashi, 1, #1421 of 2196 🔗

I really think we need to find somewhere and live as a commune – we are too far out for the sheeples.

280737 ▶▶ BTLnewbie, replying to godowneasy, 4, #1423 of 2196 🔗

Thanks for this link. I like the final para:
“To sum up – we don’t know exactly what’s in the vaccine, it might not work, it may not be safe, and we’re probably all going to end up being forced to use it.
Merry Christmas everyone.”

280682 Peter, replying to Peter, 13, #1424 of 2196 🔗

A serious point for anyone on Tier 2 who has logistics or distribution as a background.

An enormous number of pubs and bars are taking the meaning of substantial meal to the bare minimum, providing perfectly edible food at cost price to people who have little to no intention to eat it and are doing so to tick one of the stupidest boxes ever thrown at the English people by the Govt.

Is there any way we could find a way to get this food to people who genuinely need it….post pub visit of course. Storing food in foil tins to keep it warm, pubs having a way that needy people living nearby can collect it, be given to homeless people sleeping nearby etc?

Have been out this PM and ordered a cheap, easily transportable and healthy dish simply to order a beer, picked at it and no more. Feel awful knowing someone nearby would relish being able to eat it and would like to see if something can be done.

Easier to pull together on a small scale, but if anyone has an idea of how to organise this regionally then it could be amazing for those who are struggling…

280695 ▶▶ Cranmer, replying to Peter, 5, #1425 of 2196 🔗

The most logical thing would be for the pubs to organise that. They could simply ‘serve’ the food and then collect it (untouched) and donate to a homeless shelter. (Although I suspect council jobsworths would soon put paid to that as unhygienic or something). Easiest way is to just bring your own tupperware box and take it home to eat later.

280909 ▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Cranmer, 1, #1426 of 2196 🔗

They could just serve the food in a doggie bag/box.
I don’t think the “rules” say you have to actually eat the meal.

280708 ▶▶ arfurmo, replying to Peter, 6, #1427 of 2196 🔗

It just needs Marcus Rashford to tweet and the Government will bend over backwards.

280732 ▶▶ mattghg, replying to Peter, 5, #1428 of 2196 🔗

Interesting idea. Way back when I used to volunteer in a church group that would distribute food to the homeless one evening a week. We had some kind of agreement with local places like Pret to take their unpurchased sandwiches at closing time, to distribute that evening. Could something similar be organized again? Mind you, this was before foodbanks became a thing so I don’t know how that’s affected operations like that.

280790 ▶▶▶ kf99, replying to mattghg, 1, #1429 of 2196 🔗

This is genius. For once it allows our side to appear the virtuous ones.

280915 ▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to mattghg, 1, #1430 of 2196 🔗

I’m sure foodbanks are struggling now and it can only get worse as more people lose their jobs.

280906 ▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Peter, #1431 of 2196 🔗

Interesting you should ask., good for you.
While there was all the jovial banter about scotch eggs and chips, it did occur to me that there would probably be a ridiculous amount of food waste – just as the mockdown measures generated a criminal amount of plastic waste.

280686 Liam, replying to Liam, 22, #1432 of 2196 🔗

I know it’s not fair to judge on appearance, but I have to admit, Michael Gove physically repulses me. I mean that literally. Seeing a picture of his face makes me physically ill.

280697 ▶▶ John P, replying to Liam, 7, #1433 of 2196 🔗

His face does somewhat resemble that of a medieval church gargoyle.

280755 ▶▶ Old Bill, replying to Liam, 4, #1434 of 2196 🔗

And Matt Hancock’s doesn’t?

280778 ▶▶▶ Silke David, replying to Old Bill, 3, #1435 of 2196 🔗

He repulses me more than Gove. Guess because his “Fratze” has been plastered across our screens more often.

Theresa May made my blood boil every time.

280803 ▶▶ JHuntz, replying to Liam, 1, #1436 of 2196 🔗

I realise it’s the lowest denominator insult but he’s a speccy geek.

280826 ▶▶ GorbalsGirl, replying to Liam, 5, #1437 of 2196 🔗

There’s something about Gove that makes me want to throw a shoe at him.

It’s the same impulse I used to get watching the cockroaches climb up the living room curtains in my student digs in the east end of Glasgow – a visceral and instinctive loathing and disgust. It’s his mannerisms and voice as much as his slimy rubber face. Like an insect rubbing its spindly wee legs together.

Maybe the lizard people aren’t as clever as they seem if that’s the best human suit they could design?

281456 ▶▶▶ thinkaboutit, replying to GorbalsGirl, 2, #1438 of 2196 🔗

I’ve always thought Hancock has a face I’d like to slap. I don’t think I’m the first person to think that, which might be why he’s so obnoxious now he has power.

281309 ▶▶▶ CGL, replying to Mr Dee, 1, #1440 of 2196 🔗


280735 ▶▶ kh1485, replying to Wolver, 7, #1442 of 2196 🔗

Wouldn’t it be great if the hospitality industry as a whole did this? There could be exceptions made for the principled MPs who voted against (though only the ones who voted against for the right reasons).

280757 ▶▶▶ steph, replying to kh1485, 4, #1443 of 2196 🔗

Yes, you all should. One of the things you can legally (as far as I’m aware?) do is ban individuals from your premises. It should be any MP who voted yes or abstained last night, any mayor or county councillor etc who asked to go into a higher tier plus their spouses or significant others. Country wide, not just in their local areas / constituencies. And the ban should be for life.

280688 Schrodinger, replying to Schrodinger, 9, #1444 of 2196 🔗

Seems the Swiss Regulator has not rolled over so easily in approving the vaccine

“We lack data on the effectiveness of the clinical trials and on the important subgroups that participated in these large studies,” said Claus Bolte, head of the authorisation division at Swissmedic, at a press briefing on Tuesday organised by the Federal Office of Public Health.


280700 ▶▶ Bugle, replying to Schrodinger, 7, #1445 of 2196 🔗

Switzerland has a functional democracy.

280703 Anothersceptic2, 1, #1446 of 2196 🔗

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UZMr7AEL0jQ&feature=emb_logo – literally describing how you can use the media to control people’s thought about pandemics, from beginning of last year

280704 swedenborg, 2, #1447 of 2196 🔗


Spain. Comparing spring wave and seasonal wave. Spring wave 250 000 cases 20500 deaths. Seasonal wave 1.37 million cases 14500 deaths. In this mass testing of many asymptomatic striking not a single death in 2-40 years. Also lower mortality in elderly.

280716 Graham, replying to Graham, 5, #1448 of 2196 🔗

Just got this from EasyJet. I think they are breaking the law but it looks like we’ll be forced to wear masks on the way to our skiing trip in a few weeks.

“If you have an exemption from wearing a mask, you must bring a signed doctor’s letter or medical certificate (printed or digital format) with you to the airport when you travel with us, that clearly states that you’re exempt from wearing a face mask (please note, there’s no need to specify the medical reason for the exemption). This must have your name on it and the details of the medical practice. We do not accept downloadable exemption certificates, or lanyards. This helps to ensure that you, our crew and all of our passengers can travel comfortably and confidently throughout the journey.”

280725 ▶▶ Leemc23, replying to Graham, 16, #1449 of 2196 🔗

Illegal. Simple as

280727 ▶▶ Anothersceptic2, replying to Graham, 12, #1450 of 2196 🔗

Apparently Doctor’s won’t provide such a thing, so not sure how that’s going to work. And yes as you say, there’s no requirement in law for any kind of cert signed by a doctor.

280748 ▶▶▶ steph, replying to Anothersceptic2, 6, #1451 of 2196 🔗

Easy enough to knock up though surely? They can’t have any mechanism for checking the validity with any particular practice so what is the point? They probably can’t even validate the “doctor” is on the medical register or working at that “practice”. Just unenforceable bullying.

280913 ▶▶▶▶ Stringfellow Hawke, replying to steph, 1, #1452 of 2196 🔗

Indeed. What qualifies as a Doctor anyhow – pretty sure I’ve got a Dr Dre album lying around somewhere…

280835 ▶▶▶ RyanM, replying to Anothersceptic2, 2, #1453 of 2196 🔗

So make it up. For instance, I’m a doctor (a juris doctor)…

When dealing with bullshit regulations, respond in kind. Make up a note on your computer that looks official. Worst case scenario it can’t be verified.

280738 ▶▶ Two-Six, replying to Graham, 9, #1454 of 2196 🔗

Evil Idiot Face Nappy Fascists.

280760 ▶▶ Lms23, replying to Graham, 3, #1455 of 2196 🔗

Do they come under UK jurisdiction and law??

280781 ▶▶▶ kf99, replying to Lms23, 2, #1456 of 2196 🔗

One of the oddest parts of all this is laws that apply to “English” airspace. Yes the air itself is now devolved.

280820 ▶▶▶▶ p02099003, replying to kf99, 1, #1457 of 2196 🔗

Although the concept of English airspace doesn’t exist (it’s U.K. airspace) earlier this year airspace seemed to be devolved when masks were required on flights originating in England but not those originating in Wales.

280766 ▶▶ Achilles, replying to Graham, 7, #1458 of 2196 🔗

Tell you what Easyjet you just concentrate on your craft maintenance and pilot training to keep me safe, I’ll worry about the rest.

280771 ▶▶ Ceriain, replying to Graham, 7, #1459 of 2196 🔗

you must bring a signed doctor’s letter or medical certificate (printed or digital format) with you to the airport when you travel with us, that clearly states that you’re exempt from wearing a face mask

Errr… Nope!


Access to public transport

If you’re disabled, providers of public transport must not treat you less favourably than they would treat a person who isn’t disabled (unless they can show that the treatment is justified). They have the same duties as other providers of services.

When you travel by air, airport operators must provide services which allow you to board, disembark and transfer to another flight. They must not charge for these services.

There are also special rules protecting disabled passengers when they travel by air in Europe. Airlines and travel companies are not allowed to refuse to accept bookings from disabled passengers. This applies to all flights leaving an airport in the European Union (EU) and to any flight arriving in an EU country on an EU airline.

280799 ▶▶ JHuntz, replying to Graham, 3, #1460 of 2196 🔗

I feel like the airport (if i ever fly again) is the only place where I will just wear a mask. There is some online deliberately made in mesh with holes in them.

280907 ▶▶ Voz 0db, replying to Graham, -5, #1461 of 2196 🔗

Well… JUST OBEY and go skiing, slave.

280995 ▶▶▶ Graham, replying to Voz 0db, 4, #1462 of 2196 🔗

You need to start being more polite. I have actively resisted the lockdown measures. I haven’t worn a mask yet, and I don’t even own one. But I’ve been skiing every year since 1981 and I’m not going to be stopped from going this year. I haven’t abused anybody on this site. Your comments are childish, pointless and insulting.

281013 ▶▶▶▶ stevie119, replying to Graham, 2, #1463 of 2196 🔗

Agreed. Plus tiresome.

281577 ▶▶▶▶▶ Voz 0db, replying to stevie119, #1464 of 2196 🔗

Indeed… modern slaves are always acting in the same tiresome way.

281576 ▶▶▶▶ Voz 0db, replying to Graham, #1465 of 2196 🔗

Clearly you’ll have to buy one now… Happy slavery.

280717 Tenchy, replying to Tenchy, 9, #1466 of 2196 🔗

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Have you ever seen anything like it! If they’ve both been tested WTF is this about?(Telegraph live feed).

280724 ▶▶ John P, replying to Tenchy, 11, #1467 of 2196 🔗


280749 ▶▶ Cecil B, replying to Tenchy, 6, #1468 of 2196 🔗

No tongues please

280750 ▶▶▶ John P, replying to Cecil B, 1, #1469 of 2196 🔗


280765 ▶▶ Ceriain, replying to Tenchy, 3, #1470 of 2196 🔗

Is that Nadine?

280777 ▶▶ Cecil B, replying to Tenchy, 2, #1471 of 2196 🔗

What’s he doing with his right index finger?


280792 ▶▶ JHuntz, replying to Tenchy, 3, #1472 of 2196 🔗

Everyone has their own kinks i guess….

280905 ▶▶ Voz 0db, replying to Tenchy, 3, #1473 of 2196 🔗

Obsolete, demented and moron slaves really deserve the culling that’s being done… And they pose for this shit…

281036 ▶▶ annie, replying to Tenchy, 1, #1474 of 2196 🔗

Yuk yuk yuk yuk….

280719 Julian, replying to Julian, 4, #1475 of 2196 🔗

FOI request suggestion – please provide details of how effective the vaccine is at stopping the spread of the virus

280726 ▶▶ Anothersceptic2, replying to Julian, #1476 of 2196 🔗

Their own document says they don’t know.

280730 ▶▶▶ John P, replying to Anothersceptic2, 2, #1477 of 2196 🔗

Then it’s not an effective vaccine.

280728 ▶▶ John P, replying to Julian, #1478 of 2196 🔗

Vaccines – if they work – should do that.

The question should be:

1) Is it safe?
2) Does it work?

280764 ▶▶▶ Julian, replying to John P, 1, #1479 of 2196 🔗

Depends what you mean by “work”.

Most people would expect it as a minimum to give them full of partial immunity, and this is what they tested it for, as I understand it.

By extension, if you are immune then you should in theory not develop any symptoms and by extension not be infectious. But this was not measured, as far as I am aware.

So claims that it’s our duty to have it to protect others are based on some logical leaps of faith rather than direct hard evidence.

280767 ▶▶▶▶ Jonathan Palmer, replying to Julian, 1, #1480 of 2196 🔗

Sounds like masks then.

280786 ▶▶▶ watashi, replying to John P, 1, #1481 of 2196 🔗
  1. NO, of course not
  2. Don’t be ridiculous
280729 annie, replying to annie, 15, #1482 of 2196 🔗

Nust received thus from a (?)friend:

“Due to the current circumstance’s [sic] we will not be sending our usual Christmas cards this year.”

I suppose they think that if they send me a card, I will infect them?

280734 ▶▶ Lms23, replying to annie, 4, #1483 of 2196 🔗

Too scared to go out and buy cards and stamps…??

280744 ▶▶ Cecil B, replying to annie, 6, #1484 of 2196 🔗


Thanks, when you say ‘usual’ do you mean the cheap crap cards you usually send?

If for the first time ever you are gong to send a decent card that would be welcome

280759 ▶▶ Julian, replying to annie, 9, #1485 of 2196 🔗

One consolation for having lost most of our friends is having to buy and send fewer cards

280762 ▶▶ Ceriain, replying to annie, 5, #1486 of 2196 🔗

Tell them to stick a mask on it to keep you safe.

280979 ▶▶ Victoria, replying to annie, 2, #1487 of 2196 🔗

Note at ATM this evening:

The notes were quarantine for 72 hours for your protection

280733 nickbowes, replying to nickbowes, 6, #1488 of 2196 🔗

The Bill Gates bought “Global Health Security” team at The Telegraph already priming us :-


280743 ▶▶ Lms23, replying to nickbowes, 12, #1489 of 2196 🔗

CV19 has certainly been a wake-up call….to the hypocrisy, corruption and mendacity of the leadership class.

280800 ▶▶▶ Julian, replying to Lms23, 3, #1490 of 2196 🔗

And they all now know that if you want to rule the world, just frighten people with an infectious disease.

280736 stefarm, replying to stefarm, 8, #1491 of 2196 🔗

CEO of Pfizer us a fucking vet

280742 ▶▶ Gerry Mandarin, replying to stefarm, 15, #1492 of 2196 🔗

vaccines are being given to sheeple

280895 ▶▶▶ Voz 0db, replying to Gerry Mandarin, 3, #1493 of 2196 🔗

Yes they are… and the sheeple are already waiting in line for it!

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280745 ▶▶ John P, replying to stefarm, 5, #1494 of 2196 🔗

I wondered why they were treating us like guinea pigs.

280761 ▶▶▶ stefarm, replying to John P, 5, #1495 of 2196 🔗

Yes, maybe he can cure my dry nose as well.

280896 ▶▶▶ Voz 0db, replying to John P, 1, #1496 of 2196 🔗

Because with look, behave and act like one.

280758 ▶▶ Lms23, replying to stefarm, 7, #1497 of 2196 🔗

“Bourla was born and raised in Thessaloniki, Greece.[2] Born into a Thessalonian Jewish family, he earned his doctorate in the biotechnology of reproduction at Aristotle University of Thessaloniki’s Veterinary School.[3] He left Greece with his wife when he was 34 and since then he has lived in seven different cities, in four different countries.”

“Bourla joined Pfizer in 1993, first serving as a doctor of veterinary medicine and technical director for the company’s animal health division in Greece.[7][8] He held multiple executive roles at Zoetis (then known as Animal Health) and other divisions of Pfizer.[7] He served as area president for Animal Health’s Europe, Africa and Middle East division during 2005–2009, followed by the Europe, Africa, and Asia Pacific division during 2009–2010.[9] In the latter role, he managed the merger of Wyeth’s Fort Dodge Animal Health business with Pfizer in these regions.[3]”

That really fills me with confidence. Not.

280769 ▶▶▶ Silke David, replying to Lms23, 4, #1498 of 2196 🔗

The director of the Robert Koch Institute, and Drosten’s boss, is also a veterinarian.
Highly criticised in Germany how a vet can be in charge of human health.

280773 ▶▶▶ alw, replying to Lms23, 3, #1499 of 2196 🔗

My husband’s cousin qualified as a vet here in the U.K. She married a Greek but has never been allowed by the Greek authorities to practice as a vet there despite many attempts to do so.

280856 ▶▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to alw, 1, #1500 of 2196 🔗

Not enough hands-on experience with vivisection?

280852 ▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to stefarm, 4, #1501 of 2196 🔗

“Biotechnology in reproduction” is the worrying bit!

280853 ▶▶ Liz F, replying to stefarm, 3, #1502 of 2196 🔗

According to Wikipedia “on 9th November 2020 after the Pfizer vaccine’s trial success communication, Chief Executive Albert Bourla sold $5.6m of his Pfizer shares after the share price had risen by 7%”.

280756 kh1485, replying to kh1485, 7, #1503 of 2196 🔗

Will our illustrious leader have been at the bumper annual of ministerial metaphors again in order to get the 5 p.m. message across to us serfs …

280785 ▶▶ Ceriain, replying to kh1485, 5, #1504 of 2196 🔗

He started with: “searchlight of science”.

280801 ▶▶▶ kh1485, replying to Ceriain, 4, #1505 of 2196 🔗

He just can’t help himself, can he …

280814 ▶▶▶▶ Ceriain, replying to kh1485, 5, #1506 of 2196 🔗

Van Tam :”The train has now slowed down safely, it has stopped in the station and the doors have opened.” LMFAO!

280817 ▶▶▶▶▶ kh1485, replying to Ceriain, 4, #1507 of 2196 🔗

You’re making this up, really …. ?

280823 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Margaret, replying to kh1485, 8, #1508 of 2196 🔗

No Ceriain is not making it up. I think JVT has asked for a Thomas the Tank Engine train set for Christmas.

280830 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Ceriain, replying to Margaret, 2, #1509 of 2196 🔗

Somebody must have burst the football he was taking penalties with. 🙂

280827 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Ceriain, replying to kh1485,