2020-12-03

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281604 NorthumbrianNomad, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, 34, #1 of 2452 🔗

Am I first? Ow! You said it was just a tiny jab and it wouldn’t hurt! Are you sure you’re been professionally trained?

281606 ▶▶ Moomin, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, 20, #2 of 2452 🔗

Morning! Another day of herd insanity awaits!

281640 ▶▶▶ Sir Patrick Vaccine, replying to Moomin, 5, #3 of 2452 🔗

Dear .tooo quick

‘No 10 Is Running A BRAINWASHING PR Campaign’ Says Ex WHO Professor #lockdown
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vgYKXDnVBJA

282013 ▶▶▶ Sir Patrick Vaccine, replying to Moomin, #4 of 2452 🔗

Dear Early bird
Risk Assessment On The New COVID-19 Vaccine
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qmU758F0BAA

282049 ▶▶▶▶ Voz 0db, replying to Sir Patrick Vaccine, 6, #5 of 2452 🔗

Don’t you know that in the last meeting of BoJo with Bill Gates & Friends (early November), Billy G told BoJo

This jab is wonderful, safe and I already instructed the MHRA to just repeat the text of my Pharma Corporations Friends.

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282294 ▶▶▶▶▶ G.Fawkes, replying to Voz 0db, 9, #6 of 2452 🔗

The true Axis of Evil.

283255 ▶▶▶▶▶ richard riewer, replying to Voz 0db, #7 of 2452 🔗

Easy peasy.

282158 ▶▶▶ Sir Patrick Vaccine, replying to Moomin, 6, #8 of 2452 🔗

Dear Early Morning

Dr Mike Yeadon: ‘Strong evidence’ of Covid herd immunity in the UK
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aRLnM8DsLLM

Dr Mike Yeadon, a former chief scientific adviser with Pfizer, has claimed there is “strong evidence” that the UK has developed some herd immunity against coronavirus.

Speaking with talkRADIO’s Julia Hartley-Brewer, the lockdown sceptic said it was shown by the “lack” of Covid deaths happening in London.

“It was about 200-250 a day seven months ago. I checked three days ago, it was nine – so about 90-95% lower”.

Dr Yeadon also voiced concerns over the mass roll out of the newly approved Pfizer and BioNTech jab, because it was “too early” to know its the long term safety or effectiveness.

However, he did say that he was “pro-vaccine” and “not an anti-vaxxer”.

284047 ▶▶▶▶ Ferd III, replying to Sir Patrick Vaccine, #9 of 2452 🔗

‘pro-vaccine’ what does that even mean? most vaccines don’t work. flu vaccines have failed for 60 years. is 60 years of failure not enough evidence that the vaxx could be not only useless but injurious, especially to older people with weak immune systems, bodies and co-morbidities. society really is close to being clinically brain dead. ask critical questions, get branded ‘anti-xxxx’. whatever.

281607 ▶▶ Richard O, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, 26, #10 of 2452 🔗

I have two A levels so therefore am perfectly qualified to destroy your future in seconds.

281608 ▶▶▶ Dave #KBF, replying to Richard O, 12, #11 of 2452 🔗

Would not surprise me if the government recruit veterinary practices to give out the jab.

281610 ▶▶▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Dave #KBF, 20, #12 of 2452 🔗

Vets have much longer training than people doctors.

281614 ▶▶▶▶▶ Dave #KBF, replying to karenovirus, 38, #13 of 2452 🔗

I know I have a friend who is a veterinary surgeon, and he has more compassion than any human doctor I have ever met.

282134 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ chaos, replying to Dave #KBF, 4, #14 of 2452 🔗

But don’t kid yourself. Probably most veterinary practices can be mercinary and even without scruples. Looking for the big coin that loving owners might willingly spend. Unnecessary MRI’s etc.

282490 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Country Mumkin, replying to chaos, 5, #15 of 2452 🔗

Perhaps if it became legally enforceable you could pay the vets off to inject the serum into a cotton wall ball.

Our vet is wonderful. Really lovely man who doesn’t push for unnecessary procedures. He may inject into cotton wool for nothing!

283298 ▶▶▶▶▶ William Gruff, replying to karenovirus, 2, #16 of 2452 🔗

Until quite recently vets were allowed to treat and operate on humans.

281612 ▶▶▶▶ Richard O, replying to Dave #KBF, 9, #17 of 2452 🔗

The CEO of Pfizer is a veterinary doctor, so he knows exactly how to handle animals.

281969 ▶▶▶▶▶ Adam, replying to Richard O, 3, #18 of 2452 🔗

I bet he has a photo of bill gates looking smug and pleased with himself

281631 ▶▶▶▶ annie, replying to Dave #KBF, 20, #19 of 2452 🔗

That wouldn’t worry me one little bit.
But first, I’d ask the vet if he would be happy to give a similarly untested vaccine to my dog.

281925 ▶▶▶▶▶ Londo Mollari, replying to annie, #20 of 2452 🔗

Interesting question.

281807 ▶▶▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to Dave #KBF, 9, #21 of 2452 🔗

Would rather a vet did it than somebody educated to A level standard without medical expertise. (Would rather nobody did it of course)

281922 ▶▶▶▶ Londo Mollari, replying to Dave #KBF, 7, #22 of 2452 🔗

The local vets appear to be the ones most worried about Covid. The other Sunday, on the way to church, I walked past them and witnessed a woman sitting outside in the cold underneath a tarpaulin, sheltering from the rain, waiting for pet owners to queue up on the pavement behind a sign. Too dangerous to go inside! Absolute insanity.

282496 ▶▶▶▶▶ Country Mumkin, replying to Londo Mollari, 6, #23 of 2452 🔗

Talked to our vet about that and he said it was just government / local authority instructions. They can’t operate unless the follow the Covid secure guidelines. All good for reinforcing the fear!

283314 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ William Gruff, replying to Country Mumkin, 2, #24 of 2452 🔗

Mrs Gruff is a veterinary nurse and a dyed in the wool sceptic, however, she wears a mask at work because she would not be allowed to work if she didn’t.

283218 ▶▶▶▶ Billy No Mates, replying to Dave #KBF, 3, #25 of 2452 🔗

And surprised you won’t be as they are doing exactly that! They are also recruiting cabin crew and lifeguards to administer the jab. It’s all there in black and white, just have a look on their jobs website and search immunisations

281609 ▶▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Richard O, 6, #26 of 2452 🔗

Have you got a Scouts First Aider badge?

281611 ▶▶▶▶ Dave #KBF, replying to karenovirus, 6, #27 of 2452 🔗

Wait I will get my Crayola set out, sure I can get me self certificated.

281615 ▶▶▶▶ Richard O, replying to karenovirus, 6, #28 of 2452 🔗

No but I once had a virtuous thought, which indefinitely qualifies me to inject.

281619 ▶▶▶▶▶ Dave #KBF, replying to Richard O, 8, #29 of 2452 🔗

No doubt our government favourite sub-contractors are recruiting as we speak.

281808 ▶▶▶▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to Richard O, 3, #30 of 2452 🔗

Vicious thoughts might be a better qualification under this government…

281621 ▶▶▶▶ Dave #KBF, replying to karenovirus, 6, #31 of 2452 🔗

No I have got cycling proficiency, does that count?

281627 ▶▶▶▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Dave #KBF, 6, #32 of 2452 🔗

I’ve got that too, gissa job !

281891 ▶▶▶▶▶ Spikedee1, replying to Dave #KBF, 5, #33 of 2452 🔗

Ha, I have a bronze and silver swimming certificate!!

282381 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Blueboy 47, replying to Spikedee1, 3, #34 of 2452 🔗

Does my Bronze Medal – Commended in Ballroom Dancing beat that??!!

281620 ▶▶ Cecil B, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, 7, #35 of 2452 🔗

On ye of little faith

The chance to inject the gullible with gunk of dubious origin is a win win

281624 ▶▶ Andrea Salford, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, 6, #36 of 2452 🔗

Taking one for the team, I thank you. Let us know how it goes, in ten years time 😉

281672 ▶▶ Fingerache Philip., replying to NorthumbrianNomad, 4, #37 of 2452 🔗

Now, now, Mr NN,you know that it’s only going to be a little prick! ( Wankcock, that is).

281895 ▶▶▶ Spikedee1, replying to Fingerache Philip., 3, #38 of 2452 🔗

The only good think if its makes him infertile we will never see his like again

281945 ▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, 3, #39 of 2452 🔗

I’m a qualified teacher overseas. Does that count?

282583 ▶▶▶ Voz 0db, replying to Bart Simpson, 1, #40 of 2452 🔗

What the hell is a “qualified teacher”?! Another “expert”?!

281605 Moomin, 1, #41 of 2452 🔗

Second!

281613 Cecil B, replying to Cecil B, 11, #42 of 2452 🔗

Operation ‘Save the Pig Dictator’ moves to the next phase

Historians will probably refer to it as the ‘Naff vaccine phase’

Meanwhile the ‘ get rid of this feckin idiot before he causes any more damage’ groups are organising their Christmas Parties confident that the new year will bring forth an abundance of gifts

281980 ▶▶ Adam, replying to Cecil B, 4, #43 of 2452 🔗

A pig would be more competent than Johnson and more intelligent

281616 Ed Phillips, replying to Ed Phillips, 78, #44 of 2452 🔗

I read the NZ postcard.
It seems to read like a prison journal from a man who is very happy to be in prison.
As for his comments about the plane being worryingly full…

281651 ▶▶ Mark H, replying to Ed Phillips, 55, #45 of 2452 🔗

To me it read like a fake-grassroots review, something a PR firm would employ, with just enough “4-out-of-5-stars-could-do-better caveats to somehow make it more believable. Are all out-bound internet communications monitored in NZ?

Perhaps ask him to write another review and deliberately mis-spell “mask” if he’s being forced to write under duress.

Overall, it found it a very disturbing thing to read.

282148 ▶▶▶ Graham3, replying to Mark H, 6, #46 of 2452 🔗

When I first visited NZ, circa 1970 the 6 o’clock swill was just ending, the pubs were shut on Sunday and there were no cars newer than 1960.

283449 ▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Mark H, 2, #47 of 2452 🔗

I agree.

281680 ▶▶ SweetBabyCheeses, replying to Ed Phillips, 30, #48 of 2452 🔗

Florida was wasted on that bloke.

281715 ▶▶▶ Ed Phillips, replying to SweetBabyCheeses, 8, #49 of 2452 🔗

Wasn’t it just?

281711 ▶▶ stefarm, replying to Ed Phillips, 40, #50 of 2452 🔗

It is like saying – prison was pretty bad but on the bright side at least the warders were helpful and smiled a bit.

All for a mild flu with a 99.95% survival rate (sorry I keep saying that, I need to just to convince myself that I’m not going mad).

281909 ▶▶▶ Spikedee1, replying to stefarm, 11, #51 of 2452 🔗

Yes it’s that old joke of the bloke who fell out the window at the 60th floor of a building. As he passed every floor you could hear him say “so far so good!”

282203 ▶▶▶▶ Graham3, replying to Spikedee1, #52 of 2452 🔗

Not the version I heard.

282813 ▶▶▶▶ richard riewer, replying to Spikedee1, 3, #53 of 2452 🔗

That was a joke in the film ‘The Magnficient Seven’, recited by Steve McQueen. In his version, the guy jumped out of the eighth floor. That was before skyscrapers.

281844 ▶▶ CivilianNotCovidian, replying to Ed Phillips, 5, #54 of 2452 🔗

I assumed it was satire.

281892 ▶▶▶ Ed Phillips, replying to CivilianNotCovidian, 9, #55 of 2452 🔗

Yeah, I was going into it thinking that too.

My humour’s pretty dry but this was taking it to another level if it was satire.

282304 ▶▶ A Heretic, replying to Ed Phillips, 6, #56 of 2452 🔗

In isolation but you’re allowed to talk to your friends through a fence?
I know risks of outdoor transmission are low but they’re not zero are they?

283484 ▶▶▶ ConstantBees, replying to A Heretic, 3, #57 of 2452 🔗

I’ve seen people wear masks on the beach. They obviously think they aren’t zero. They are. Your body is also covered with bacteria and not a few viruses already. So is everyone’s. Don’t get me started on what’s inside your body.

281617 Steve Hayes, replying to Steve Hayes, 99, #58 of 2452 🔗

We are supposed to believe that in the space of a few months a vaccine for a novel coronavirus has been developed and tested and has been proved to be both safe and effective. In all the hysterical fear-mongering around the virus, the word unprecedented has been constantly used. But this is one occasion where the word can perfectly properly be used. The development of a safe and effective vaccine for a previously unknown viral infection in a matter of months is not only unprecedented, it is unbelievable.

281623 ▶▶ Richard O, replying to Steve Hayes, 29, #59 of 2452 🔗

In a way I am glad we are the first recipients. This is the ultimate test for all of us. The stakes could not be higher. I have never felt more oppressed, yet simultaneously more alive, than in 2020.

281632 ▶▶▶ annie, replying to Richard O, 33, #60 of 2452 🔗

Well put, Richard. Every particle of life in me is on the go just now, fighting to survive and relishing every tiny victory.
Interesting times, indeed.

281634 ▶▶▶▶ Richard O, replying to annie, 18, #61 of 2452 🔗

It is exhilarating. Our choices now determine all our futures for a thousand years. And in the beyond, eternity.

281646 ▶▶▶▶▶ annie, replying to Richard O, 67, #62 of 2452 🔗

When I appear before my Maker and Judge I will face many charges, but enthusiastic collaboration with totalitarian evil will not be one of them.

281664 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Richard O, replying to annie, 10, #63 of 2452 🔗

Yes, we cannot help but fall prey to the wondrous temptations of this place. Anyone who claims they have not is lying. That’s the beauty and elegance of the test.

281795 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to annie, 14, #64 of 2452 🔗

Well said. We can say that we had the guts to stand up and resist however small our efforts.

281825 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to Bart Simpson, 18, #65 of 2452 🔗

We just said: This is wrong. Stop doing it.

History is on our side.

282055 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to Nick Rose, 12, #66 of 2452 🔗

Agree. As the dissident Roy Medvedev titled his book exposing Soviet totalitarianism – “let history judge”

And history’s judgement of the players and collaborators of this crisis won’t be kind.

281897 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Borisbullshit, replying to annie, 8, #67 of 2452 🔗

Yes all those notices ripped down! For which you should be fully rewarded!

283341 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ RichardJames, replying to annie, 7, #68 of 2452 🔗

Annie, you are a wonderful person. I am sure that the phrase “Thou good and faithful servant” will come to His mind.

282817 ▶▶▶▶▶ richard riewer, replying to Richard O, 6, #69 of 2452 🔗

The Thousand Year Reich, W.E.F. style.

281663 ▶▶ disgruntled246, replying to Steve Hayes, 33, #70 of 2452 🔗

It’s not even a vaccine in the way that I understand it – I thought a vaccine stopped you getting the illness, full stop. From what I’ve read, this one doesn’t do that, it just alleviates the symptoms.

281686 ▶▶▶ Steve Hayes, replying to disgruntled246, 31, #71 of 2452 🔗

As with everything in this madness, they just pretend that words can mean whatever they want them to mean – and they constantly switch between what the words really mean and what they want to pretend.

281870 ▶▶▶ Chicot, replying to disgruntled246, 16, #72 of 2452 🔗

Exactly. They don’t even know whether or not it stops transmission. Also, it’s likely to be least effective with people with weaker immune system, exactly the people who might actually need it.

282411 ▶▶▶▶ Blueboy 47, replying to Chicot, 8, #73 of 2452 🔗

Our masters are obviously following the advice of Humpty Dumpty!

282513 ▶▶▶ Country Mumkin, replying to disgruntled246, 9, #74 of 2452 🔗

Bloody expensive and risky paracetamol.

282712 ▶▶▶▶ Caroline Watson, replying to Country Mumkin, 15, #75 of 2452 🔗

Frankly I don’t care as long as it stops the hysteria and the bloody ‘masks’. No doubt the sanctimonious middle class Left will continue wearing them indefinitely. At least it will be an outward indication of who to avoid!

283351 ▶▶▶▶▶ RichardJames, replying to Caroline Watson, 7, #76 of 2452 🔗

With the additional superlative bonus that those enthusiastic early-vaccine-adopters will provide the “canary test” for those of us who are sensibly more wary.

281779 ▶▶ crimsonpirate, replying to Steve Hayes, 8, #77 of 2452 🔗

given I haven’t been to a doctor in 25 years I guess it will be a bureaucratic nightmare to get registered again

281974 ▶▶ leggy, replying to Steve Hayes, 12, #78 of 2452 🔗

Well said. Many things are unprecedented this year, but the one thing that certainly isn’t is that humans catch viruses. It’s been going on for eons.

282824 ▶▶▶ richard riewer, replying to leggy, 4, #79 of 2452 🔗

So do animals, insects …

283455 ▶▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to richard riewer, 3, #80 of 2452 🔗

and plants!

281618 mattghg, replying to mattghg, 6, #81 of 2452 🔗

Why isn’t Northern Ireland coloured in blue on that map in the first image?

281625 ▶▶ Dave #KBF, replying to mattghg, 7, #82 of 2452 🔗

Maybe JOHNSON has forgotten to tell anyone that he has handed the six counties back to The Irish Republic?

281626 ▶▶ karenovirus, replying to mattghg, 7, #83 of 2452 🔗

They filched it from an EU 2021 Calender.

281629 ▶▶ Richard O, replying to mattghg, 5, #84 of 2452 🔗

Ulster has presumably returned to Ireland because science.

281645 ▶▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Richard O, 2, #85 of 2452 🔗

There is a border on that map between Ulster and Ireland, must be under direct rule from Brussels.

281648 ▶▶▶▶ Richard O, replying to karenovirus, 9, #86 of 2452 🔗

Yes the line is still there, but it is weak. Johnson has sold out his Unionist/Loyalist allies. He doesn’t give a flying fuck about them or anything else. A minor local conflict to be erased as we 6uild 6ack 6etter.

281958 ▶▶ The Filthy Engineer, replying to mattghg, 3, #87 of 2452 🔗

Would you rather see it coloured orange? Thank you and goodnight. I get my coat and call a taxi 😉

282040 ▶▶▶ mattghg, replying to The Filthy Engineer, 4, #88 of 2452 🔗

Do you mean orrrnge?

281622 karenovirus, replying to karenovirus, 40, #89 of 2452 🔗

From the lead article, is the ‘vaccine’ safe.

On the same day that Pfizers ‘vaccine’ was approved the Joint Committee on Vaccination and Immunisation (JCVI) said in a briefing document on a government website that pregnant women or women planning to get pregnant should not take the ‘vaccine’ due to a lack of data to test its safety fro them.
Via Brietbart UK.

‘Vaccine’ “any preparation used to confer immunity to a disease by inoculation”
Chambers 20 Century Dictionary.

Pfizers ‘vaccine’ is said only to reduce the symptoms of those who become infected. If it was really a vaccine they would not get infected.
It is a Palliative at best, it will not reduce infectivity and Pfizer do not claim that it will.

281628 ▶▶ Cecil B, replying to karenovirus, 22, #90 of 2452 🔗

So the equivalent of a couple of frozen paracetamol then

282694 ▶▶▶ Two-Six, replying to Cecil B, 6, #91 of 2452 🔗

or a lemsip lollypop

281685 ▶▶ SweetBabyCheeses, replying to karenovirus, 21, #92 of 2452 🔗

Phew. Hopefully all woman aged 50ish and under will get a free ticket from this potential awful new vaccine passport. Would be pretty sexist to keep them all excluded from society.
This really might trigger the trans activists though who think that any man can just self identity into being a biological woman 😂

281713 ▶▶ Bugle, replying to karenovirus, 27, #93 of 2452 🔗

Got it. I’m self-identifying as a pregnant woman.

281726 ▶▶▶ Cecil B, replying to Bugle, 18, #94 of 2452 🔗

# Me too

281738 ▶▶ CapLlam, replying to karenovirus, 33, #95 of 2452 🔗

As someone who is currently pregnant, they can shove their vaccine where the sun don’t shine!

I’m not putting anything in my body that could harm my baby.

281878 ▶▶ GorbalsGirl, replying to karenovirus, 28, #96 of 2452 🔗

Yeah, as a childless woman in her late 30s who had aspirations of motherhood in the near future (before the world turned to shit and the future started looking like an Orwellian dystopia) – they can shove their fraudulently-termed “vaccine” where the sun don’t shine.

What sane person would ever think any woman is going to run the risk of lifelong infertility to avoid a bad bout of the common cold??

281879 ▶▶ penelope pitstop, replying to karenovirus, 13, #97 of 2452 🔗

oooooh i suddenly feel broody – delayed onset of maternal instincts at 50 something years ….

281990 ▶▶ Adam, replying to karenovirus, 5, #98 of 2452 🔗

I wouldn’t have anything injected in my body that comes from America now I know what it feels like to be a chlorinated chicken

282182 ▶▶ Jo, replying to karenovirus, 7, #99 of 2452 🔗

it is a prophylactic treatment, like anti-biotics given to farm animals

283460 ▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Jo, 3, #100 of 2452 🔗

and look at the problems that’s caused!

281630 Scotty87, replying to Scotty87, 121, #101 of 2452 🔗

Feel free to use and edit this segment I’ve prepared in response to any pro-Covid vaccine articles you come across over the next few days…

These vaccines will NOT, I repeat NOT stop people from contracting Covid-19. Any sensible dissection of the protocols will tell you this, and any suggestion otherwise is fatuous nonsense. These vaccines have been rigged to succeed by lessening severe symptoms only. They are essentially a glorified Lemsip drink, likely to be administered by hordes of under-trained and under-resourced volunteers who have the potential to cause untold damage to the vaccinated.

What’s more, there is absolutely NO medium to long term data available on the negative health effects of these experimental “RNA” vaccines which have never been given a mass rollout before, so it seems strange to test them on a disease that 99.95% of healthy under 70s will survive anyway. Dr Mike Yeadon and a leading German physician and epidemiologist have sought to halt the studies of these vaccines over fears that they could trigger catastrophic adverse reactions and potentially cause infertility in women.

These vaccines are not needed given that the only people who will likely “benefit” from them are the comorbid elderly; many of whom will sadly succumb to seasonal influenza even after taking the Covid-19 shot (remember flu? Still kills hundreds of thousands annually and we have a vaccine for it), and the glaring lack of information over the harms these experimental vaccines could cause are being overlooked by a government desperate for a win and a scientific community that stands to profit immensely through their vested interests.

Consider also the crippling economic burden that comes with these vaccines – the government has essentially gambled away the futures of the next few generations for an unknown entity, in order to somehow justify the crippling damage it has wreaked on society. They tell us this will be the key to restoring our stolen freedoms, but the well-researched and sceptical know this is a fallacy – health passports, propaganda and coercion will all be introduced against a backdrop of continued social distancing and mask wearing.

A vaccine takes an average of around 7 years to go through all of the rigorous clinical trials to prove its worth to the population. I will NOT be taking this hurriedly cooked-up, over-hyped concoction that I assure you will harm more people than it will save. For the record, this is not an anti-vaxx position – it is a wholly ethical position with the concern of public health at its heart.

To those rushing to have this junk thrust into their veins, I’ll put forward just one question. In the midst of a REALLY deadly pandemic, you can bet your last pound that the politicians would steal the first batch of vaccines for themselves, their families and their cronies.

So why isn’t that happening today?

281656 ▶▶ maggie may, replying to Scotty87, 11, #102 of 2452 🔗

Thanks for such a clear explanation and i will do some judicious cutting and pasting!

281676 ▶▶▶ Scotty87, replying to maggie may, 9, #103 of 2452 🔗

No problem. I should have clarified that the influenza mortality I quoted was global rather than just the UK, but I think people get the picture 🙂

281703 ▶▶ Van Allen, replying to Scotty87, 11, #104 of 2452 🔗

Thank you for that explanation. I understand one problem with the previous SARS vaccines occurred when the trial animals caught a different type of Coronavirus. When I say problem I mean serious problem as in 100% mortality rate.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HuMbRBTZhCY
Have the human trials even included this scenario – ie infection with a different type of Coronavirus?

281710 ▶▶▶ maggie may, replying to Van Allen, 8, #105 of 2452 🔗

Isn’t that one of the things that the doctors who wrote the open letter to the MRHA (in LS round up last Thursday) were concerned about?

281916 ▶▶▶ penelope pitstop, replying to Van Allen, 8, #106 of 2452 🔗

read the article/petition from Dr Yeadon. This seems to be one of the four major concerns of subsequently being infected with the ‘wild’ virus the response of the immune system

https://2020news.de/en/dr-wodarg-and-dr-yeadon-request-a-stop-of-all-corona-vaccination-studies-and-call-for-co-signing-the-petition/

281803 ▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to Scotty87, 9, #107 of 2452 🔗

Great explanation. I will be using this as a counter to people who think that the vaccine will be our salvation.

282057 ▶▶ Scotty87, replying to Scotty87, 16, #108 of 2452 🔗

The propaganda campaign is already in full spin. “Restrictions can be brought down more quickly if vaccine prevents asymptomatic transmission” says Jonathan Van-Tam; well this is just an egregious lie, the mass testing of 10 million people in China produced only 300 asymptomatic cases, none of whom went on to infect any of their contacts. The vaccine will also not confer any immunity from Covid-19 on the recipient, so the whole premise of what is being argued here is deeply flawed.

I’ve also seen that there’s plans for Boris Johnson to be “vaccinated” on live TV – even if you were to believe that he’s actually been given the proper stuff, surely this would show that antibodies don’t provide long term protection from the virus and would render these costly jabs totally useless?

282169 ▶▶ Tarfu, replying to Scotty87, 4, #109 of 2452 🔗

These vaccines have been rigged to succeed by lessening severe symptoms only.”
Please correct me if I’m wrong, but I’m sure I’ve read elsewhere that vaccines will only lessen mild symptoms.

282267 ▶▶ Bartleby, replying to Scotty87, 19, #110 of 2452 🔗

I don’t have any specific disagreement with what you write here, but will make the following point. If the arrival of a vaccine is what it takes to ease the restrictions placed on normal human life, then so be it.

In some ways, it’s not important that it actually is a ‘salvation’. It’s important that the people who have closed down our lives think it is so that their excuse for doing so no longer exists.

I will caveat what I’ve said with a point about whether we’re compelled to take the vaccine and the likelihood of being forced to prove that in order to travel, partake in society, eat in a restaurant and so on.

282474 ▶▶▶ Neil Hartley, replying to Bartleby, 5, #111 of 2452 🔗

Well said, my thoughts exactly.

282520 ▶▶▶ Scotty87, replying to Bartleby, 18, #112 of 2452 🔗

You make a very valid point, I think my scepticism comes from the fact that historically, governments are very slow to return freedoms once they’ve taken them (if they in fact actually seek to return them at all), and we are dealing with one of the most dishonest, ruthless governments in living memory here.

I also think that Johnson is completely in thrall to the WEF Great Reset agenda as evidenced by his Green New Deal, which is not unlike an Extinction Rebellion manifesto. I don’t think it’s impossible that some kind of lockdowns could be used in a near dystopian future to control CO2 emissions for example.

Put this this way – until this lot are completely swept out of office, I won’t be relaxing for one minute.

283711 ▶▶▶ Rowan, replying to Bartleby, 2, #113 of 2452 🔗

Those who have closed down much of our life, have also killed many tens of thousands and they didn’t do so because there wasn’t a vaccine. We are even now, being primed up to accept that Covid style restrictions will exist long after the vaccination programs are as over, as they ever will be. Covid-19 may or may not exist as a real illness, but either way it is still a monumental and long planned scam. The scam is about control and depopulation, in line with UN Agenda 2030 and the WEF’s Great Reset. The vaccines might just be fairly innocuous at the outset and if so they will become increasingly malevolent as time goes by.

282498 ▶▶ Spikedee1, replying to Scotty87, 16, #114 of 2452 🔗

Beautifully written and very clear. I had the misfortune today at the gym to be on a cross trainer warming up and the two TVs right in my eye line were on GMB with the subtitles on. My God some bloke called Jonathan van twat or something was talking about how great this news is. The poncy presenter then started talking about anti Vaxers and conspiracy theories which he then shot down. They then switched to some blonde bint who was euphoric and ecstatic and orgasmic about this news. Not once did the phillip scrotum say, hey some people might be nervous about the speed of this vaccine. What about long term effects? Do these people think this is now the end and we will be maskless and snogging again?

282733 ▶▶▶ MiriamW-sometimes-AlanG, replying to Spikedee1, 14, #115 of 2452 🔗

Do these people think this is now the end and we will be maskless and snogging again?

Sadly, they probably do and of course they won’t! Given how easy it has been to brainwash the majority of the population all along, why should this scam, which we knew would happen, be any different?

Scotty87’s post is brilliant – we’ve nicked it, thanks. MW

281633 annie, replying to annie, 66, #116 of 2452 🔗

All the muppets down my way are convinced that the Magic Snake Oil Jab will bring about an instant return to normal.
Oh my.
Will they revolt when they realise they’ve been conned?
Probably not.
And then?

281637 ▶▶ Steve, replying to annie, 33, #117 of 2452 🔗

Sadly, they’ve now demonstrated repeatedly over a period of at least 9 months that they’ll believe any glimmer of hope that the government throws their way. Even in November, support for the lockdown was reported to be overwhelming, precisely because people had been led to believe that it would allow us all to have a “normal Christmas”.

281999 ▶▶▶ Adam, replying to Steve, 8, #118 of 2452 🔗

Opinion polls have always been untrustworthy I believe that they should be made illegal

281642 ▶▶ Richard O, replying to annie, 23, #119 of 2452 🔗

Good morning and welcome to Infertile Vaxxland, the new gameshow where idiotic compliance can seriously fuck up your future. And here’s your host….[insert bought and paid for demonic celebrity].

281673 ▶▶ karenovirus, replying to annie, 27, #120 of 2452 🔗

I don’t think many are still worried about the covid, they are more concerned about continuing lockdown. Many will be trying to weigh up the possible danger of what they know is an untested ‘vaccine’ against being released from government restrictions.

281716 ▶▶▶ Tommy K, replying to karenovirus, 17, #121 of 2452 🔗

Correct. The only way we can escape the bullying control freaks is for the government to save face. They will not release us unless they claim to have defeated the virus. The only way that can happen is for them to roll out mass vaccination before the virus fizzles out of its own accord.

282861 ▶▶▶▶ richard riewer, replying to Tommy K, 4, #122 of 2452 🔗

Knock out all the refrigerators.

282855 ▶▶▶ richard riewer, replying to karenovirus, 9, #123 of 2452 🔗

Imposing a vaccine on unwilling people is an integral part of the government’s restrictions.

281926 ▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to annie, 12, #124 of 2452 🔗

They might revolt, annie. Fingers crossed that they do.

282851 ▶▶ richard riewer, replying to annie, 6, #125 of 2452 🔗

They should hav realized that they have been conned seven months ago.

283494 ▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to richard riewer, 3, #126 of 2452 🔗

Well they didn’t! So let’s work with what’s actually happened shall we?

281635 Steve, replying to Steve, 44, #127 of 2452 🔗

My wife, who is a secretary at a local hospita trust, told me on Tuesday that some room bookings she had made for w/c 7 December had been cancelled on their booking system, with the explanation that the rooms were required for Covid vaccinations. On Tuesday, I told her that this was unlikely, because no vaccines had yet been approved for use in the UK. You could have knocked me down with a feather when I heard the uplifting (and politically vital) news that the Pfizer vaccine had been given its emergency approval. How entirely unexpected! (It doesn’t diminish my belief that the whole nonsense is being stage managed, and this week’s extension to the restrictions is just a mechanism to “encourage” the public to use the vaccines that have now been ordered at such enormous expense.)

281644 ▶▶ annie, replying to Steve, 27, #128 of 2452 🔗

So the first result of the Great Snake Oil Drive is to deprive more sick people of treatment.
Surprise surprise.

281675 ▶▶▶ Steve, replying to annie, 13, #129 of 2452 🔗

In truth, this is the NHS that we’re talking about. I don’t sense that there was ever any danger of them allowing patients into those rooms!

281647 ▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Steve, 23, #130 of 2452 🔗

Last minute Parliamentary vote on tier system, Mike Dolans Court case and approval of Pfizer vaccine all within 24 hours definitely smacks of news management.

281790 ▶▶ Will, replying to Steve, 11, #131 of 2452 🔗

I know for a fact that organisations were being sounded out about being vaccination host centres, ready to operate before Christmas, back in September. This is going to be an absolute disaster.

281636 karenovirus, replying to karenovirus, 11, #132 of 2452 🔗

From the roundup
Good news to read in the Mail that Piers Corbyn avoided getting fined following two arrests in May.
The Guardian puts it slightly differently ‘Piers Corbyn convicted. . . Corbyn, a weather forecaster and Climate Change denier. . .’

I know that Magistrates cannot set precedence but hopefully others will follow this example and bring such arrests into disrepute.

This is probably why we are now ‘allowed’ to gather outside for the purpose of protest.
Bozo might have remembered that in the 18th Century juries became increasingly unwilling to convict defendants who were clearly guilty if that would have meant the death penalty for stealing a loaf of bread. The law was subsequently changed so that capital punishment was reserved for the most serious crimes such as murder and treason.

281641 ▶▶ annie, replying to karenovirus, 9, #133 of 2452 🔗

Your last point, about eighteenth-century justice, is a good one. However, I don’t think juries at that time were composed of zombies.

281650 ▶▶▶ karenovirus, replying to annie, 6, #134 of 2452 🔗

Juries then were composed of the big knobs who could vote, they were aquiting street urchins and washerwomen, drove the State nuts until they conceded.

281760 ▶▶▶▶ Waldorf, replying to karenovirus, 6, #135 of 2452 🔗

The death penalty was imposed if the stolen item was valued at a certain level or above it. Juries started arbitrarily ruling that stolen items were worth less than this level as a way of not making a death sentence compulsory (or perhaps it was the judge who did that). It mitigated the harshness of the code.

281761 ▶▶▶▶ Ovis, replying to karenovirus, 8, #136 of 2452 🔗

Juries were composed of men who were, for the reasons you give, sure of themselves and willing to defy guidance. A key benefit of the jury system was that it made the law in effect consistent with what the community considered to be justice.

281938 ▶▶▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to karenovirus, 8, #137 of 2452 🔗

The jurors used their common sense. The Law sees the Law in terms of black and white only – either a thing is legal, or it is not. There are, or should be, no grey areas as far as the Law is concerned.

This is why the jury system is so important.

282865 ▶▶ richard riewer, replying to karenovirus, 3, #138 of 2452 🔗

Capital punishment for Treason. Send a copy of this law to PM BJ and everybody else.

281638 annie, replying to annie, 42, #139 of 2452 🔗

A great comment in response to the DT article. on snake oil jabs:

“Britain has a proud history of jeopardy game shows.
In this case, I would like to see a member of the public, selected at random (or just me), go to the lab in Belgium.
Then be filmed selecting a random box of vaccine (DONT DROP IT!!!) transporting it back to Television House and parading it onto stage…
Where we find the entire Cabinet, and immediate family, arrayed with sleeves rolled-up….
Nick Knowles then empties the contents of said box into the Lotto tombola, does the usual and a random member of the studio audience is invited on stage to administer the jabs.
Regardless of medical training, or indeed any training.
Think of the ratings!!!!”

Too right! I’ll be watching!

281709 ▶▶ Van Allen, replying to annie, 7, #140 of 2452 🔗

I am waiting for their excuses not to even stage it. Since the vaccine needs storing at -80 degrees, I expect that will be good enough reason. Or they could go up the virtuous route if not wanting to deprive a vulnerable person of their vaccine 🙄 .

281769 ▶▶▶ steph, replying to Van Allen, 7, #141 of 2452 🔗

Yesterday we were told that the entire crate needs to be delivered to the vaccination destination and not opened and split. I can imagine this logistical issue being used as a reason why they can’t send just 2 to GMB for Piers Morgan and Matt Hancock. They’ll get out of their show vaccine easily enough.

281639 Sir Patrick Vaccine, replying to Sir Patrick Vaccine, 8, #142 of 2452 🔗

Dear Lockdown
‘No 10 Is Running A BRAINWASHING PR Campaign’ Says Ex WHO Professor #lockdown
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vgYKXDnVBJA

281652 ▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Sir Patrick Vaccine, 3, #143 of 2452 🔗

What Toby and others have been saying for a while, hopefully those 5k views will bring a few more onside.

281683 ▶▶▶ rms, replying to karenovirus, 6, #144 of 2452 🔗

I think Toby was referring to the number of people subscribed to the mailing list version of each daily post. My understanding is that views on the web site are considerably higher.

281695 ▶▶▶▶ karenovirus, replying to rms, 11, #145 of 2452 🔗

I was referring to the number of views of the video posted by Sir Patrick Vaccine which confirms what has been posted here about hospitals not being under pressure the way we are told.

Thanks to you all for your hard work and congratulations on the viewing numbers. When I first started reading it was something like 700 per edition which were not always daily.

282732 ▶▶▶▶▶ Two-Six, replying to karenovirus, 1, #146 of 2452 🔗

Butterfly wings flapping in the Amazon can cause tsunami in Japan.

281643 Dave #KBF, 6, #147 of 2452 🔗

Yesterday I put a note on here about a live stream from Staten Island, NY showing the protest at Macs Public House.

The attached YT channel has four videos which lead up to that gathering:

https://www.youtube.com/user/MattoosEntertainment/videos

281649 Cristi.Neagu, replying to Cristi.Neagu, 9, #148 of 2452 🔗

A heartfelt thanks to our team of moderators, who work tirelessly (and entirely for free) to keep the porn spammers out.

Do we really have to keep the porn out…? Can’t we at least have a porn section on the side, to cheer up our daily visit after being depressed by the latest insanities coming from Boris and co?

281654 ▶▶ Richard O, replying to Cristi.Neagu, 21, #149 of 2452 🔗

I was not aware that there are moderators (shame on me for my innocence I guess). This is the finest place on the internet bar none, at one of the most critical turning points in human history rivalling any other in the last 6,000 years. If I needed porn, I would not be searching here.

281665 ▶▶▶ Cristi.Neagu, replying to Richard O, 7, #150 of 2452 🔗

You do realise i was joking, right?

281690 ▶▶▶▶ Richard O, replying to Cristi.Neagu, 7, #151 of 2452 🔗

I always take everything far too seriously. Except my physical health, which increasingly is irrelevant. If Covid-19 was a real thing, it would finish me off. But it isn’t, so it won’t.

281854 ▶▶▶▶ Julian S, replying to Cristi.Neagu, 1, #152 of 2452 🔗

many a true word spoken in jest…

281666 ▶▶ NorthumbrianNomad, replying to Cristi.Neagu, 20, #153 of 2452 🔗

Wonder who’ll be the enterprising soul who starts the first “girls removing their face masks” site. It’s the porn of the future, I tell you.

(Also joking.)

281674 ▶▶▶ Cristi.Neagu, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, 10, #154 of 2452 🔗

Still waiting for Joe Cocker’s new adaptation titled “You can leave your mask on”.

281722 ▶▶▶▶ Richard O, replying to Cristi.Neagu, 4, #155 of 2452 🔗

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6waXtxosJ4A

Joe Cocker delivering one of the best Beatles cover versions, and a reminder of freedom. Far superior to the insipid and pedestrian original sung by Ringo on Sergeant Pepper (and I am a solid Beatles fan).

283523 ▶▶▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Richard O, #156 of 2452 🔗

I bought the double album when it came out in 1969. Have it on a flashdrive to play in my car and never tire of it!

281689 ▶▶▶ Barney McGrew, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, 6, #157 of 2452 🔗

…to reveal their maskne, fungal infections and hacking coughs…

281787 ▶▶▶ Ovis, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, 4, #158 of 2452 🔗

In the Book of Genesis it is pretty clear that a face covering was the mark of a harlot (NOT a sign of ‘modesty’). The story of Judah and Tamar hangs on that fact.

282117 ▶▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to Ovis, 3, #159 of 2452 🔗

Maybe we should have this in leaflets and adverts. I don’t think people will like being implied that either they’re a) harlots or b) up to no good.

282886 ▶▶▶▶ Graham3, replying to Ovis, 1, #160 of 2452 🔗

I got as far as Genesis 38:8 and gave up – no hope for me.

283443 ▶▶▶▶▶ Ovis, replying to Graham3, #161 of 2452 🔗

🙂

281944 ▶▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, 3, #162 of 2452 🔗

Oh my God! They’ve got noses! And mouths!!

283502 ▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Cristi.Neagu, #163 of 2452 🔗

Isn’t the fear porn enough for your insatiable appetites?

281653 CivilianNotCovidian, replying to CivilianNotCovidian, 18, #164 of 2452 🔗

Words never fail me, but today I have no words. Other than: this is clearly “The Hunger Games” and must be stopped immediately.

281659 ▶▶ annie, replying to CivilianNotCovidian, 14, #165 of 2452 🔗

The Hunger Games led to a revolution in the third book of the series.And not before time.

281694 ▶▶▶ CivilianNotCovidian, replying to annie, 6, #166 of 2452 🔗

Whatever it takes, annie!

281655 maggie may, replying to maggie may, 3, #167 of 2452 🔗

What we do now know is that of the 41,135 participants in the study, 170 went on to catch COVID-19. Of these, 162 were in the control group given the placebo and just eight had been given the vaccine. (in Spectator article)

Is there anyone who understands these trials who can explain what that actually means? i understand the bit about the placebo group but having been given the vaccine/placebo, are the 41,000 then somehow given the virus or exposed to the virus to see what happens? And how is that done? If only 8 people out of the 41,000 ended up with Covid, i would have thought the efficacy was a lot higher than 95% or whatever number they are saying.

281658 ▶▶ Mark H, replying to maggie may, 15, #168 of 2452 🔗

There also doesn’t appear to be any factoring in of T-cell immunity.

40,000 people stuffed a banana in their ear, and went on to not being trampled by elephants. Therefore we can conclude that the banana-in-the-ear method prevents elephant trampling. Let’s ignore the fact that there are no elephants wandering around the UK’s towns and cities.

281660 ▶▶▶ annie, replying to Mark H, 14, #169 of 2452 🔗

Even if elephants were wandering about, face masks would keep them away.
Wear the mask to beat the tusk.

281681 ▶▶ mattghg, replying to maggie may, 8, #170 of 2452 🔗

No, they’re not deliberately exposed to the virus, they just carry on as (new) normal and the study measures how many people get covid anyway. Allocation to the placebo or vaccine group is done at random, so any difference in incidence of covid between the two groups is taken to be due to the vaccine. If you were in the vaccine group then your chance of getting covid turned out to be 8/(41,135/2) = 0.03%, whereas if you were in the control group then your chance of getting covid turned out to be 162/(41,135/2) = 0.8%. Vaccine efficacy = (0.8-0.03)/0.8 = 96%.

281687 ▶▶▶ SweetBabyCheeses, replying to mattghg, 4, #171 of 2452 🔗

Maybe I’m just skeptical about everything now but am I right to be skeptical about the numbers? I’d like to see whether they were testing just people with symptoms or everyone, whether it was a PCR test, what conditions these were performed under, how many cycles and whether they repeated them if the viral load was border line.

281700 ▶▶▶▶ maggie may, replying to SweetBabyCheeses, 4, #172 of 2452 🔗

i agree about the numbers, i would have wanted to see a lot more than this.

I expect the testing conditions for a trial like this are a lot more rigorous than the drive-in style testing that is clearly flawed.

281688 ▶▶▶ maggie may, replying to mattghg, 5, #173 of 2452 🔗

That’s great, thank you very much. So the vast majority, whether they had had the vaccine or the placebo still didn’t get Covid. What’s all the fuss about??!! I wish some journalist would put that to Hancock.

281792 ▶▶▶▶ steph, replying to maggie may, 1, #174 of 2452 🔗

Exactly. It’s so difficult to get Covid in the wild these days that the trial numbers are statistically insignificant.
As you say, if that is the case what is all the fuss about?

282418 ▶▶▶▶▶ Silke David, replying to steph, 2, #175 of 2452 🔗

Remember, this is the German led Biotech/Pfizer.
I believe they tested in Brazil and probably Germany.

I guess when they develop other vaccines they do not put their test person into a room full of ill people for 2 weeks to see who “catches” it, but they are “in the wild”. But for a rushed “vaccine” I would have liked them to do it like this.
My simple mind just does not get it, how you can prove it works, if you do not know if the test person was even exposed.

282035 ▶▶▶▶ mattghg, replying to maggie may, 1, #176 of 2452 🔗

Very good question. And its gets better: getting covid badly enough to require hospitalization is so rare that no clinical trial so far has recruited enough participants to even be able to tell if a vaccine prevents it:

Severe illness requiring hospital admission, which happens in only a small fraction of symptomatic covid-19 cases, would be unlikely to occur in significant numbers in trials. Data published by the US Centers for Disease Control and Prevention in late April reported a symptomatic case hospitalisation ratio of 3.4% overall, varying from 1.7% in 0-49 year olds and 4.5% in 50-64 year olds to 7.4% in those 65 and over. Because most people with symptomatic covid-19 experience only mild symptoms, even trials involving 30 000 or more patients would turn up relatively few cases of severe disease.

Source: https://www.bmj.com/content/371/bmj.m4037

What I think Hancock would have to say is that these trials are being carried out under conditions of social distancing, and that the numbers would be higher if they weren’t. I’m not sure to what extent that’s really true, though, as the study locations for the Pfizer trial were spread out all over the USA.

282956 ▶▶▶▶▶ djaustin, replying to mattghg, #177 of 2452 🔗

The test of antibodies after onset of symptoms have shown a dramatic effect on hospitalizations (75% reduction for Lilly). It’s a reasonable expectation that having pre-existing (vaccine-generated) antibodies would afford similar levels of protection.

281693 ▶▶▶ Margaret, replying to mattghg, 6, #178 of 2452 🔗

This is what I don’t understand Maggie May and Matt. A while back, weren’t we told that you’d got to meet over 200 people before finding one with enough of a viral load to infect you? What are the chances of everyone in either group being exposed to the virus if they live in a rural area for example or in a densely populated community or if they have a job where they are working from home or are in a customer facing role? I suppose what I’m saying is that all the 41,000 have various “normals”. Is this taken into account in the trails?
I’m puzzled.

281723 ▶▶▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Margaret, 2, #179 of 2452 🔗

Lol, I’ve been in enclosed spaces with about 10,000 people since lockdown, not counting shopping.

281762 ▶▶▶▶▶ Margaret, replying to karenovirus, 5, #180 of 2452 🔗

Yes K, I suppose what I’m really saying is that did everyone in the trials have an equal chance of being infected or not?
I also wonder whether they were tested for the virus, antibodies, T-cells or whatever, before they were vaccinated. Could many of them already have been immune?

281967 ▶▶▶ Nigel Sherratt, replying to mattghg, 1, #181 of 2452 🔗

Error bars?

282042 ▶▶▶▶ mattghg, replying to Nigel Sherratt, #182 of 2452 🔗

Don’t ask me!

283526 ▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to mattghg, #183 of 2452 🔗

But chances of getting covid are pretty slim anyway!
I only know two people who have officially had it – and one of them might “only” have had ordinary flu.

281697 ▶▶ Lili, replying to maggie may, 5, #184 of 2452 🔗

I read a week or two ago that 40,000 people were involved in the trial, with half given the vaccine and half given the placebo, so this has only been tested on 20,000 people!

281698 ▶▶ stefarm, replying to maggie may, 6, #185 of 2452 🔗

How do we know the 170 caught covid? PCR test or is there another 100% accurate we know nothing about

281705 ▶▶▶ maggie may, replying to stefarm, 8, #186 of 2452 🔗

Just as interesting is the fact that 99.6% of the people involved didn’t get it at all! Even if you assume that every one of those given the vaccine didn’t get it because they’d been given the vaccine, it’s still only 0.8% that got it.

281905 ▶▶▶▶ DeepBlueYonder, replying to maggie may, 2, #187 of 2452 🔗

The ONS Infection Survey gives an estimate of how many people are infected in a given week. For the week ending 21 November, it was 1 in 85 people in England (so 1.18 per cent of the community population). But in week ending 21 August, it was as low as 1 in 2,200 people in England (so 0.045 per cent of the community population).

281982 ▶▶▶▶ calchas, replying to maggie may, 2, #188 of 2452 🔗

……and how many of those had any symtoms?

…and how many of those who had symptoms died?

282110 ▶▶▶▶▶ Ken Gardner, replying to calchas, #189 of 2452 🔗

Exactly, I was just about to pose the same questions. And how many required medical intervention or hospitalisation… In other words, how many were true cases?

281717 ▶▶ JohnB, replying to maggie may, 3, #190 of 2452 🔗

Isn’t there a problem with the number of COVID positives observed and that is that everywhere in the world is locked down in some way. So, getting infected doesn’t represent getting infected if these controls weren’t in place. It may be that only a very low proportion of the 20k given the Vaccine we’re socially active, whereas a much higher proportion of the 20k in the control group we’re socially active or maybe worked in a meat processing plant where infections have been high which could explain more infection in this group.

281724 ▶▶▶ maggie may, replying to JohnB, 4, #191 of 2452 🔗

You have to assume that they conduct the trials in a way that prevents any skewing of the data like this. Which then means they know who has the vaccine and who has the placebo and i thought i read somewhere that that isn’t the case? Oh dear, it’s all very complicated but the journalists, even the TalkRadio people, who were so gung-ho yesterday and getting on my nerves as a result, aren’t asking any of these questions.

281784 ▶▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to maggie may, 1, #192 of 2452 🔗

You’d like to hope so, but how much of this due diligence can you do in a couple of months.

281805 ▶▶▶▶ steph, replying to maggie may, 2, #193 of 2452 🔗

I would like to hope that the double blind aspect of the trial was well managed. I.e. neither the trial subjects nor the operators knew who had which vaccine. I’m sure they did that’s correctly. It’s the tiny numbers and the minuscule timescale that bothers me.
Sure, with 20,000 subjects receiving the vaccine we would know if there were extreme adverse reactions either immediately or shortly after but ONLY for the types of subject selected. Presumably none in the over 80 age group, none with other significant health issues? I don’t know, I haven’t read the study. Also we don’t know the long term effects of course

281978 ▶▶▶ Nigel Sherratt, replying to JohnB, 2, #194 of 2452 🔗

Lockdown have had no observable effect (on health at least, catastrophic otherwise of course).

281657 Mark H, replying to Mark H, 17, #195 of 2452 🔗

The Daily Record’s (a Glasgow-based tabloid) featured a post on its Facebook Page yesterday asking its readers how they felt about the vaccine.

A scan through the comments revealed post after post stating pretty much the same two things:

“Great news, without it lockdowns will never end.”

Or:

“Well, we don’t have a choice, it’s either get vaccinated or die of COVID-19.”

Even cautiously sceptical comments about its safety were rounded upon with the replies reflecting the substance of the main 2 comments above.

One or two sceptical comments reference thalidomide and these were met with scornful “eh, I think medical science has come a long way in the last 60 years”.

So, it seems the fabled general public sees a binary decision in front of them, which has surely been the government and behavioural psychologists’ plan from the very start; accept whatever solution we put in front of you, or the lockdowns continue.

And it appears that the vaccine is being viewed as the panacea, the only way to return to “normal”, a normal that still featured social distancing and masks, “just in case”.

I wonder, though, given the published concerns about the safety of the vaccine, whether the government will actually use it on the public and take the risk of the possible longterm side-effects, or whether the vials will be filled with saline solution, a massive placebo roll out, a psychological inoculation against 9 months of terror.

Yes, I suppose I’m being naive in hoping for this…

281668 ▶▶ mattghg, replying to Mark H, 22, #196 of 2452 🔗

“Well, we don’t have a choice, it’s either get vaccinated or die of COVID-19.”

The stupid! It burns!!

281670 ▶▶ Richard O, replying to Mark H, 24, #197 of 2452 🔗

I am grateful that you have trawled the depths of the abyss to expose these errors to the light of scrutiny.

This level of simplistic reasoning is, quite frankly, an affront to all our ancestors who fought to build multiple civilisations. What use is the mathematical and aesthetic perfection of an Athenian temple – which we were able to achieve 3,000 years ago – when confronted with such asinine attitudes as this?

We comfort ourselves with the idea that we are always evolving and improving. In some respects we have, but 2020 has exposed that in many ways we are lesser than most of our predecessors.

281678 ▶▶▶ Steve Hayes, replying to Richard O, 21, #198 of 2452 🔗

They are not “reasoning” – they are repeating received opinion. They believe holding such opinion proves their superiority. This is why they do not need evidence and reason: they “know” they are right.

281682 ▶▶▶▶ Mark H, replying to Steve Hayes, 12, #199 of 2452 🔗

Agreed. Responses to even mildly sceptical comments always included a reference to the borderline sceptic’s education/intellect.

The superior intellect of the one going along with the BBC’s narrative is abundantly clear because they go along with the BBC’s narrative. The BBC had a guy from SAGE on. He wears glasses on the end of his nose and sits in a room cluttered with books. He said this thing that I now parrot on social media. I have been imbued with his intellect by mere osmosis.

Therefore, when I see someone express an opinion that’s the opposite of the BBC’s, who had hat guy from SAGE on, it’s clear that this person’s intellect is deficient. And I should point that out to them.

281684 ▶▶▶▶ Richard O, replying to Steve Hayes, 7, #200 of 2452 🔗

You are correct, I ascribed states of mind which cannot be reached to some of our fellow citizens.

Knowledge versus opinion has been a hot topic of philosophical debate for millennia.

282273 ▶▶▶ charleyfarley, replying to Richard O, #201 of 2452 🔗

Great post, thanks.

281872 ▶▶ Ben, replying to Mark H, 9, #202 of 2452 🔗

My heart sinks

Sheeple simpletons are dragging the whole of humanity into the abyss. It’s not just the vaccines but a life tied to immunity passports, QR codes. Total control of our movement. No freedom. Constant State surveillance..

Is that a future these commentators want?

282204 ▶▶▶ AshesThanDust, replying to Ben, 2, #203 of 2452 🔗

Sadly, yes, in many cases. They would rather turn every life decision over to “the experts”.

281993 ▶▶ Roadrash, replying to Mark H, 3, #204 of 2452 🔗

What we don’t know is how active the 77th is in the comments sections of various news articles and social media. I suspect they have ramped up the anti vaccine attacks significantly in recent weeks. But I also believe that the majority of the population will just go with it anyway. The few people on sites like this who bother to do their own research ad look behind the MSM headlines are in the minority.

Here’s a snapshot of the anti vaccine bots active on Twitter. Multiply this by a large factor for all forms of media and it probably still doesn’t come close to the propaganda war being waged. What concerns me even more is both Labour and the Tories now pushing for further censorship of “misinformation” as they deem it which Johnson admitted in PMQs was in the pipeline. Who decides what constitutes “misinformation”?

https://twitter.com/BareReality/status/1330920102942957573?s=20

282888 ▶▶ richard riewer, replying to Mark H, #205 of 2452 🔗

First a placebo that does nothing, Not effective enough. The second one will contain the real goods.

281661 disgruntled246, replying to disgruntled246, 4, #206 of 2452 🔗

Can the Professor at UEA confirm or deny that the test he has such doubts about is the same one that his own university is offering to students so that they can return home for Christmas? If it is, it’s not very joined up thinking is it?

281702 ▶▶ Poppy, replying to disgruntled246, 25, #207 of 2452 🔗

Honestly the mass testing at universities is a joke. Many students in my class aren’t getting one, mainly because they are worried it will be positive and then they and their household will have to isolate and delay their departure. I won’t be getting one because I am living off campus at home this year but even if I weren’t, I wouldn’t touch a test with a bargepole.

As my bf says, the testing programme mainly exists ‘to keep someone in an office somewhere happy’. Which could describe the entire reason for lockdown too.

281718 ▶▶▶ disgruntled246, replying to Poppy, 14, #208 of 2452 🔗

Precisely. My daughter’s not having a test, the prospect of having to spend another 10 days isolating in the same room in which she has just spent the last 10 weeks watching online lectures, studying and sleeping, is really not doing it for her.

281814 ▶▶▶▶ steph, replying to disgruntled246, 3, #209 of 2452 🔗

Give her many many hugs at Christmas. Also may I respectfully suggest she can do distance learning from home next term? Why would she put herself through a second term of imprisonment?

282396 ▶▶▶▶▶ disgruntled246, replying to steph, #210 of 2452 🔗

This looks like an increasing possibility. University isn’t much of an experience for them at the moment.

282382 ▶▶▶ Borisbullshit, replying to Poppy, #211 of 2452 🔗

yes it certainly does not keep the self employed happy lol…its just an excuse for 2 weeks off fully paid.

283277 ▶▶▶ Spikedee1, replying to Poppy, #212 of 2452 🔗

Do we know what happens if a person tests positive and their family comes and gets them?

281662 Steve Hayes, replying to Steve Hayes, 5, #213 of 2452 🔗

Corona The Simple Truth in Under 6 Minutes

http://newtube.app/user/PPS/teS5ujK

A very simple presentation, which would have probably been censored if it were on YouTube.

281747 ▶▶ Biker, replying to Steve Hayes, 10, #214 of 2452 🔗

Newtube and Bitchute and others at least provide a site for free expression. Fuck youtube and all the commie faggot soy boys and fat blue haired ugly bitches that work there

281782 ▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to Biker, #215 of 2452 🔗

Problem we’ve got is that Governments are going to put in place fines for all these sites that have dissenting views on the vaccine. The won’t be financially able to run, and thus all the sites will have to be moderated, so discussions like on here where we argue against the the lockdowns and vaccines will be removed otherwise the sites like Newtube and Bitchute will go bump.

282577 ▶▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to JohnB, #216 of 2452 🔗

Websites can be hosted overseas, Skip.

282922 ▶▶▶▶▶ richard riewer, replying to JohnB, #217 of 2452 🔗

Decentralized servers.

282917 ▶▶▶ richard riewer, replying to Biker, #218 of 2452 🔗

There is another new one. Rumble. Have not checked it yet.

282918 ▶▶▶▶ richard riewer, replying to richard riewer, #219 of 2452 🔗

Spreaker too.

283111 ▶▶▶ David Grimbleby, replying to Biker, #220 of 2452 🔗

Did you find out what ‘ Johnson ‘ means in The Big Lebowski?

282014 ▶▶ calchas, replying to Steve Hayes, #221 of 2452 🔗

Excellent !

THis is a very good video for sending to the waverers.

281667 John Stone, 9, #222 of 2452 🔗

How to do post-marketing surveillance. My letter in BMJ on-line yesterday:

Covid vaccination: due diligence over adverse events Re: Vaccinating the UK against covid-19 Azeem Majeed, Mariam Molokhia. 371:doi 10.1136/bmj.m4654
Dear Editor
Raj Bhopal, Bayanne Olabi, Sunil Bhopal write in their enthusiasm [1]:
“Primary care will need to be ready to respond to coincidental adverse events associated in time (but not causally) with vaccination, as well as ensuring that patients return for a second booster vaccine dose.”
But I do not understand in advance how we can be assured that any events are coincidental. On the other hand, I hope we can be assured that all such events will be recorded, analysed and investigated with due care, and not just written off?
[1] Raj Bhopal, Bayanne Olabi, Sunil Bhopal, ‘ Vaccinating the UK against covid-19 and the role of primary care: some insights for practitioners and public health doctors from 10 phase II covid-19 vaccine trials’, 2 December 2020, https://www.bmj.com/content/371/bmj.m4654/rr-0

281669 stewart, replying to stewart, 18, #223 of 2452 🔗

The interview with the nurse is devastating.

Our society is breaking down and we are losing our humanity. In its place will come cruelty and authoritarianism.

282710 ▶▶ TT, replying to stewart, 1, #224 of 2452 🔗

I’d replace “is breaking down” by “has broken down”, “we are losing” by “we have lost” and “will come” by “has come”.

281671 Steve Martindale, replying to Steve Martindale, 32, #225 of 2452 🔗

Sorry about this, but sometimes I can be annoying (ask my wife!) and so to repeat myself;
The Health Protection (Coronavirus, Wearing of Face Coverings in a Relevant Place) (England) Regulations 2020 Run from July 24 2020 to July 23 2021 with a 6 month review required which will be mid January 2021.
I suspect that unless something is done this review will simply be a nod through and the mandatory wearing of face-masks will continue through to the end of July.
So despite the vaccine and the fact that it will be summer time and it is a seasonal virus the wretched snot rags will continue. Can we/should we do anything to try and stop this review just going through on the nod? Possible actions might be;

  1. Set up a petition calling for the Face-mask regs to be rescinded, I know nothing about petitions and do not have a clue how you would go about doing this?
  2. Mass letter writing to MP,s?
  3. Campaign to encourage as many as possible to go exempt and thus make the whole thing look untenable?
  4. or any other suggestions?

After this weeks Parliamentary antics I am not hugely hopeful but on the other hand I do not feel we should let the review go through unchallenged.

281947 ▶▶ thinkaboutit, replying to Steve Martindale, 2, #226 of 2452 🔗

I feel that parliament are a bunch of sheep who are career chancers angling for a ministerial car. They don’t care about us or our freedoms. Besides, most of them are seriously thick where science is concerned. Give them an X and Y axis and their gonads shrivel.
Obviously there are exceptions but they are a minority. I suppose we could voice our support to the CRG MPs, cc our own lockdown MPs justice fill up their mailbox.
Suggestion 3 is good, organised mask exemption information campaigns. The only other thing is mass civil disobedience, just individually not complying.

282575 ▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to thinkaboutit, #227 of 2452 🔗

Suggestion 3 !

283956 ▶▶▶ CGMH, replying to thinkaboutit, #228 of 2452 🔗

Here’s an idea that might get rid of the mask mandate in shops etc. Critical mass shopping
(Stay with me!).

This is borrowed from an idea cyclists have used as a non violent protest to change car drivers behaviour in cities in the USA.Google critical mass cycling if interested in how it worked.

The idea is to start local groups coordinated by social media of choice to do weekly food shops on a mutually convenient day. Anything from 6 people to maybe a few dozen. Let’s face it a lot of us have got time to fill!

Some may want to enter a store masked up to avoid issues but all members take them off as soon as possible once inside. Note, no shouting or protesting. Just quiet browsing and shopping in pairs or individuals.

The idea being not to emulate that video a while back where people without masks were shouting their heads off in a supermarket . A lot of people know masks are no good but just need others to lead by example. Members would smile and greet each in the store frequently to restore some semblance of normalcy,
This way people will hopefully think “Well if its good enough for them” etc

Any hassle from masked shoppers to be greeted by ignoring them or polite verbal counters. No responding to provocation. Participants would need to be “genned” up on what to say in advance.

This is especially so with those who want to claim an exemption such as anxiety if their face is covered by something. Have the answers and material on the Equalities Act ready for security and shop staff etc

Even if police are asked to attend I can’t see how they could deal with 6 or more people doing this in the same shop at the same time. Also would the store want to pass up on takings from “critical mass shoppers” who have full trolleys and baskets?

Groups could even say if one member is fined the rest will leave their full trolleys in situ for the staff to deal with. Loss of takings and staff time the result.

If people were willing this could be done several times a week at a different supermarket each day. Eg Use one store for a third of the weekly shop and other stores for the rest on other occasions

If the idea spreads so would non compliance among those who would love to take a mask off but fear repercussions from the bullies and authorities. I also think there are many people who would enjoy seeing people standing up for themselves.

New social groups could be created. Something that has been sadly lacking of late. Just think how you’d feel bumping into people months/years later who took part. That’s it. Who knows it could be the start of something big! Ta for reading.

281677 Fingerache Philip., replying to Fingerache Philip., 15, #229 of 2452 🔗

If we were meant to be wearing face nappies, we would have been born with em.

281754 ▶▶ annie, replying to Fingerache Philip., 2, #230 of 2452 🔗

You could say the same about clothes…

281768 ▶▶▶ Biker, replying to annie, 5, #231 of 2452 🔗

i was born with my boots on and i’ll die with them on

281955 ▶▶▶▶ Nigel Sherratt, replying to Biker, 2, #232 of 2452 🔗

I will not go down under the ground
’Cause somebody tells me that death’s comin’ ’round
An’ I will not carry myself down to die
When I go to my grave my head will be high
Let me die in my footsteps
Before I go down under the ground

282929 ▶▶▶▶ richard riewer, replying to Biker, 1, #233 of 2452 🔗

I saw Steppenwolf at the Whisky A Go Go on Sunset Blvd around 1966. They were the warmup band for John Mayall’s Bluesbreakers with a young Mick Taylor.

281949 ▶▶ thinkaboutit, replying to Fingerache Philip., #234 of 2452 🔗

2 million years of human evolution and we don’t have natural face masks.

282106 ▶▶▶ Ceriain, replying to thinkaboutit, 3, #235 of 2452 🔗

We do; it’s called an immune system.

282933 ▶▶▶ richard riewer, replying to thinkaboutit, #236 of 2452 🔗

Actually we do.

281679 mr ben, replying to mr ben, 22, #237 of 2452 🔗

“– The vaccinations are expected to produce antibodies against spike proteins of SARS-CoV-2. However, spike proteins also contain syncytin-homologous proteins, which are essential for the formation of the placenta in mammals such as humans. It must be ruled out that a vaccine against SARS-CoV-2 could trigger an immune reaction against syncytin-1, as it may otherwise result in infertility of indefinite duration in vaccinated women .”

I’ve never gone for the mass sterilisation conspiracy theory (it just sounded nuts), so this is rather alarming!!

281699 ▶▶ chaos, replying to mr ben, 8, #238 of 2452 🔗

But Bill Gates has expressed an interest in population control to limit consumption and carbon output.. and Agenda 2030 (WEF UN Great Reset) has similar goals..

282142 ▶▶▶ Jez Hewitt, replying to chaos, 12, #239 of 2452 🔗

I’ve never entertained a single conspiracy theory prior to this nonsense – in fairness, with twin 5 year old boys, I haven’t had the time or energy to entertain much else other than work, eat, sleep (yeah right), repeat. But I recall being sent the theory about the World Economic Forum back in April, giving it a glance and dismissing it as nonsense (specifically thinking, “As if our country would go along with that claptrap?”)

Then, beginning of October, my relatively logical brain could no longer handle the data being fed by MSM, and I was pointed in the direction of LS, finally a refuge for sanity and common sense. Once I’d read back and seen the input of Yeadon, Heneghan etc, and how they were being ignored by officialdom, my spidey senses started twitching beyond control.

I can’t exactly recall where I saw a link to The Mirror Project, but having the benefit of watching their videos in hindsight, the fog started clearing – actions taken were starting to make sense.

I couldn’t be less trusting nor more sceptical than at present. I would not be surprised in the least if the coronavirus has specifically been used because of the spike similarities to the placenta.

I’m too knackered to elaborate further – one of my boys has had it coming out both ends for the last 3 nights – but right now, with the pending press ganging coercion doing the rounds and nothing about officialdom’s choices and decisions making any sense whatsoever, it just doesn’t feel right.

I just can’t shake “how many coincidences until it’s mathematically impossible” – the blows just keep on coming.

Think I need some sleep.

281704 ▶▶ 2 pence, replying to mr ben, 7, #240 of 2452 🔗
281859 ▶▶ Ben, replying to mr ben, 9, #241 of 2452 🔗

Dumbfounded!

I’ve just read it. My eyes popped out of my head. All the Bill Gates sterilisation conspiracy noise that’s been buzzing around on the Internet for months suddenly has flashing lights around it

Am I dreaming this?

282447 ▶▶▶ Silke David, replying to Ben, #242 of 2452 🔗

The “wanted” side effect of sterilizing women through this vaccine does not make sense, as it is mainly the rich, educated Western people asking for the vaccine.
Bill Gates et al want to reduce birth rates amongst the poor on the Asian and African continents. Birth rates in Europe are down, and we do not like immigration of the poor to Europe and USA. Which we need to support our economy.

281692 Stuart, replying to Stuart, 16, #243 of 2452 🔗

One has to hand it to Johnners:

– wrecking the economy and society with lockdowns for a bad case of flu.

– poisoning the population with experimental vaccines of unknown composition the deleterious effects of which might not be known for many years.

– and the Brexit crashout still to come, with further economic wreckage and the country turned into a non-agreement capable isolated basket case.

A real card.

281755 ▶▶ Jonathan Palmer, replying to Stuart, 7, #244 of 2452 🔗

After the last year do you think we are going to notice any effects of Brexit.The economy is finished,the Government will be paying its bills with the Bank of England’s credit card for years.

282408 ▶▶▶ Borisbullshit, replying to Jonathan Palmer, 1, #245 of 2452 🔗

Yes its all old hat now that Brexit stuff and I voted leave.

281696 chaos, replying to chaos, 7, #246 of 2452 🔗

The vaccinations are expected to produce antibodies against spike proteins of SARS-CoV-2. However, spike proteins also contain syncytin-homologous proteins, which are essential for the formation of the placenta in mammals such as humans.

Sounds very Bill Gatey Agenda 2030…..

281764 ▶▶ Biker, replying to chaos, 13, #247 of 2452 🔗

Come now Chaos just calm down. It’s ok we know you suffer from mental illness. Just accept that you’re betters know the vaccine is safe and line up like a good little boy or girl and have your shot. Think about the old people relying on you being injected with goo made by the same people who brought you the woo flu in the first place.
Bill Gates is like a kindly old Grandfather doing his bit for humanity.

281701 Biker, replying to Biker, 60, #248 of 2452 🔗

Fuck the vaccine and fuck the people recommending it. They are pure fucking evil and if you line up to take it then you’re a fucking moron. If they try to stop me from going about my life because i refuse to take their fucking vaccine i will fight back and it won’t be with fucking words. They’re coming to kill us and if you don’t think so then you’re not paying attention.

281707 ▶▶ TJN, replying to Biker, 28, #249 of 2452 🔗

Hear, hear.

Echoes of probably my favourite ever comment on this site: Fuck the government and fuck anyone who wears a face mask

281753 ▶▶▶ annie, replying to TJN, 21, #250 of 2452 🔗

But to fuck someone who wears a face mask, you’d have to wear a face mask. They’d insist in it.
Unless you want to commit bare-faced rape.

282415 ▶▶▶▶ Borisbullshit, replying to annie, 3, #251 of 2452 🔗

Bare front rather than bareback.

283372 ▶▶ RichardJames, replying to Biker, 3, #252 of 2452 🔗

This is the right answer! The time for gentle, placid dissent is long gone.

281706 Barney McGrew, replying to Barney McGrew, 7, #253 of 2452 🔗

The optimist would make these observations:

  • Rushing through a vaccine appears to show a government in a hurry to get back to normal even at the expense of safety
  • It also shows a government responding to the usual venal motivations of politics rather than some sinister agenda
  • Even if the vaccine is just Lemsip or a placebo, the public assumes it protects them from Covid, and the government seems prepared to maintain this illusion
  • if the public takes the vaccine they might begin to behave normally again
  • The vaccine is regarded by many as the end game. Why would the government rush it through if it didn’t want to promote an imminent ‘end’?
  • some Tory MPs seem aware that coerced vaccination (even indirectly) is a no-no even in this new authoritarian age. The ‘health passport’ could be dead in the water..?
  • The PM seemed to suggest that he wants to get rid of masks as soon as possible

The lockdowns were a tragic farce; the economy is wrecked; the NHS has a huge backlog, but the scariest thing in the whole debacle has been the thought that there was a sinister agenda to introduce the Great Reset. Could it have been just a total f**k-up instead; a mistake..? A wrecked economy is one thing; a ‘Conservative’ government wilfully plunging the country into an eco-fascist communist dystopia quite another.

Might it be that Johnson’s Build Back Better speech where he suggested that we couldn’t go back to normal, where he introduced a timetable for yet more lunatic green policies, was just a desperate man courting popularity with the Guardian and the BBC – and Carrie? That those ridiculous notions will now be quietly shelved as the chancellor attempts to resuscitate the economy?

281744 ▶▶ Biker, replying to Barney McGrew, 23, #254 of 2452 🔗

Bro, how do i put this, oh yeah, you’re fucking dreaming. They’ve come for us, this is war. They are taking way your energy and your liberty. You might not like it but you’ll either have two choices, line up like a good boy or girl or fight back to the death. I won’t be fucking standing their while some braindead army muppet or some fat cow NHS worker smiles as they inject me with their goo. Will you? If they try to ban me from doing what i want because i’ve not been injected with the eugenics crowds goo then i will be constantly getting into trouble.

281767 ▶▶▶ Barney McGrew, replying to Biker, 11, #255 of 2452 🔗

You’re probably right, but I’m desperately looking for every positive I can find. Johnson’s reported contradiction of Van Tam about masks seemed like a small glimmer of hope.

282469 ▶▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to Barney McGrew, 1, #256 of 2452 🔗

Which would be why the nudgers scripted it in.

C’mon Barney, 10 months of bollocks, and you still think they might just possibly be looking to escape their errors ?!

281847 ▶▶ steph, replying to Barney McGrew, 5, #257 of 2452 🔗

Well it’s a nice thought but I don’t know who Boris Johnson is any more. He seems taken hostage by SAGE, the MSM and Carrie. Not one independent thought in his head.
I suspect he knows his time as PM is well and truly drawing to a close. Perhaps he hopes he can regain some popularity by slapping down the authoritarian Van Tam and the vaccine minister. I can’t bear to watch anymore but I am told he rapidly denied the compulsion of vaccine by any means and also immediately responded to Van Tam’s idea that we might like to hang onto masks in the negative.
There’s some small amount of hope that the penny is finally dropping, but today’s a glass half full day for me. Ask me again on a glass half empty day, of which there are many more

281952 ▶▶▶ Nigel Sherratt, replying to steph, 4, #258 of 2452 🔗

Johnson has finally hit a barrier that he can’t bullshit his way over and has been destroyed by the collapse in self belief.

281850 ▶▶ Ben, replying to Barney McGrew, 14, #259 of 2452 🔗

Since every country is reading from the same script and dancing to the beat of the same drum I’m led to believe that this is indeed part of the Great Reset. I wish it was about a virus.

The virus has not destroyed the economy (around the world). Gov’t diktats have.

282218 ▶▶▶ Barney McGrew, replying to Ben, 2, #260 of 2452 🔗

I was just saying to the wife that there is another possibility, though: the world leaders ‘conspired’ to cover each others’ arses. Corruption, fear, weakness, incompetence, yes. But hopefully nothing more sinister – I can dream!

282426 ▶▶ Borisbullshit, replying to Barney McGrew, #261 of 2452 🔗

Why would he bother appealing to the Guardian or the BBC…they hate him regardless even though he is one of them…they are just too moronic to see that.

281712 Tim Bidie, replying to Tim Bidie, 6, #263 of 2452 🔗

As a political tool, the China/WHO/Democratic Party/eu supported ‘pandemic’ confection has been a brilliant success; has achieved its primary goal of removing President Trump.

The exit strategy, vaccination, looks likewise propitious. Once large numbers have been vaccinated, who is to say what caused the disappearance of the ‘deadly’ virus, so ‘deadly’ that it killed, in one year, just over 1700 citizens over 70 years in age, many obese, in Britain alone……..

A cautionary tale:

https://www.hillandponton.com/vaccines-and-gulf-war-illness/

281946 ▶▶ Nigel Sherratt, replying to Tim Bidie, 2, #264 of 2452 🔗

He’ll come back stronger in 2024 (like Andrew Jackson in 1828) if he is denied this time.

281714 PastImperfect, replying to PastImperfect, 6, #265 of 2452 🔗

How did China beat the virus without a vaccine?

281733 ▶▶ Biker, replying to PastImperfect, 5, #266 of 2452 🔗

it’s because they eat dogs and cats, use their children in sweat shops and i general they’re lying evil murdering fucks who we shouldn’t do business with ever. The fact that they sell their slave made shite in our country is a crime, the fact that cunts like Apple and Nike all make their goods in this country is the same as if they made them in Nazi Germany. We’re all complicit as i sit here tying this on my MacBook i too don’t give a fuck what these chances dog eating nazi’s do. Oh and chinese food is fucking horrible

281736 ▶▶▶ Tom Blackburn, replying to Biker, 1, #267 of 2452 🔗

Szechuan chicken and rice is lovely.

281739 ▶▶▶▶ Biker, replying to Tom Blackburn, 1, #268 of 2452 🔗

ever been to one of them disgusting takeaways? Everyone in them is an illegal immigrant, they’re a whole different world and what they consider clean i consider as filthy as a fucking cow shed

281763 ▶▶▶▶▶ Tom Blackburn, replying to Biker, 1, #269 of 2452 🔗

Went into the back of one once and can confirm it was disgusting.

281734 ▶▶ Tom Blackburn, replying to PastImperfect, #270 of 2452 🔗

Magic

281931 ▶▶ leggy, replying to PastImperfect, 1, #271 of 2452 🔗

China is already a communist state.

281719 BeBopRockSteady, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 14, #272 of 2452 🔗

“The obvious question – if having antibodies doesn’t prevent you from getting re-infected, what’s the point of getting vaccinated? – was left unasked.”

And do you know, what Hancocks answer shows as obvious is that this is not about your personal health. It’s about making sure the model of health is primarily economic, patented and ascribed a monetary value.

Their ideology is clear to see for me.

282960 ▶▶ richard riewer, replying to BeBopRockSteady, #273 of 2452 🔗

Hancock was already preparing a vaccine program way back in February, 2020. He wasn’t reacting to global events he was a willing partner/participant of the Global Action Plan from the beginning, along with PM BJ, Whitty, Vallance, Cummings, Gove and all the rest of them

281721 Cecil B, replying to Cecil B, 26, #274 of 2452 🔗

‘ You ask what our policy is

Our policy is tyranny, murder, violence, oppresion, child abuse, lying, isolation, division, hatred, theft, destruction, humiliation, control, starvation, torture, suicide, compliance, the crushing of the human spirit, eradication, and ultimately a final and complete victory over the British people’

281748 ▶▶ annie, replying to Cecil B, 7, #275 of 2452 🔗

Sums it up.
But the victory will not be complete as long as I’m alive.
Remember Lot and the one righteous person?

281868 ▶▶▶ Alethea, replying to annie, 3, #276 of 2452 🔗

I’m with you two. And everyone else here.
We are the resistance. There’s no getting rid of us.

282962 ▶▶ richard riewer, replying to Cecil B, #277 of 2452 🔗

Sieg Heil!

281727 PatrickF, replying to PatrickF, 9, #278 of 2452 🔗

I wear a mask because I’m brainwashed, fearful and a virtue signaller. You?

281728 ▶▶ Barney McGrew, replying to PatrickF, 9, #279 of 2452 🔗

Because it makes a fashionable statement about me. I’m an individual. I get to comply in my own unique way.

281735 ▶▶▶ PatrickF, replying to Barney McGrew, 4, #280 of 2452 🔗

I’m adding tinsel and fairy lights to mine.

283021 ▶▶▶▶ MiriamW-sometimes-AlanG, replying to PatrickF, #281 of 2452 🔗

Mine plays Christmas music as well. MW

281731 ▶▶ Tom Blackburn, replying to PatrickF, 5, #282 of 2452 🔗

I wear one for a quiet life.

281746 ▶▶▶ annie, replying to Tom Blackburn, 6, #283 of 2452 🔗

True of a good 70% of nappy wearers, for a guess.

282326 ▶▶▶ charleyfarley, replying to Tom Blackburn, #284 of 2452 🔗

I wear one because my name is Walter Mitty and I have a tricky op to do later. The internationally famous Biggins and Flatbed were called in but knew they couldn’t handle the job as soon as they saw the patient. “There is only one man alive who can save the patient! Call Mitty.” Forgive me as I must go and scrub up.

282793 ▶▶▶ Fiona Walker, replying to Tom Blackburn, 1, #285 of 2452 🔗

I wear one to sneak into Tier 2 from Tier 3 on the bus (cars are being stopped by Plod and their drivers “advised” apparently. The bus drivers don’t give a toss even if you de-mask once on.

281757 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to PatrickF, 2, #286 of 2452 🔗

I wear one to protect my fragile ego

281772 ▶▶ Steve Martindale, replying to PatrickF, 11, #287 of 2452 🔗

The Facemask regs come up for review in January, we need to do what we can to press for this to be properly debated and for the regs to be rescinded. In Tesco in Barnstaple yesterday there were 4 staff members with lanyards and no masks and 4 customers with no mask, I do wonder if there is a very small chink in the enthusiasm for mask wearing if we can get some more to go maskless it might just start a trend. With 8 people in Tesco including staff with no masks people seem to be quite accepting that some do not wear masks, it could snowball, we live in hope.

281783 ▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to Steve Martindale, 3, #288 of 2452 🔗

Before the lockdown, I was noticing more and more shop staff not wearing masks. During the lockdown, the number of supermarket staff not muzzled increased and I can imagine that the numbers will increase over the next few days especially now that all shops are open.

281862 ▶▶▶ steph, replying to Steve Martindale, 3, #289 of 2452 🔗

You keep bringing this up and I applaud you for it. It’s dangerous to assume this won’t be extended on the nod.
What I find when I engage with people is they don’t know the bar for exemption is so low, they just assume they have to wear it unless severely unwell with asthma or COPD.

281963 ▶▶▶▶ Stephanos, replying to steph, 4, #290 of 2452 🔗

A lot of people don’t understand and don’t want to understand that exemptions actually exist.
Also, I have found that, if you scratch the surface (and it doesn’t need much scratching) most people, probably the vast majority, actively hate them.
Because I hate them so much I printed out my exemption (from here) on scrap paper.

281874 ▶▶ Alethea, replying to PatrickF, 5, #291 of 2452 🔗

It keeps my face warm and protected. It’s like sucking my thumb or rubbing my comfort blanket against my lips. I am three months old.

282967 ▶▶▶ richard riewer, replying to Alethea, #292 of 2452 🔗

Any mask wearing on Coronation Street?

282458 ▶▶ JohnB, replying to PatrickF, #293 of 2452 🔗

Worth looking at some of jp sears earlier stuff on masks, fear, etc. Hilarious.

281759 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to Tom Blackburn, 2, #295 of 2452 🔗

Are you kidding me? 10 months into this? They are a disgrace.

281730 JohnB, replying to JohnB, 21, #296 of 2452 🔗

Sky News misreporting yet again. Their main headline is “COVID-19: Professor Jonathan Van-Tam urges public to take vaccine if they want to see normal life to return”
Anyone who saw the press conference yesterday would know he did not say this at all, and actually said even when the vaccine has been rolled out there will still be a need for social distancing and mask, and basically most of the restrictions that are in place now, this is what irked Johnson as it went against his “vaccine will bring normality” message.

The MSM keep lying and lying, where’s the fact check warning on their stories, and why no criticism of the qualifications of the people writing them, yet anyone else with an opinion is jumped on straight away?

281745 ▶▶ annie, replying to JohnB, 13, #297 of 2452 🔗

I’m not sure this is bad. If the MSM convince the zombies that the snake oil jab will restore normality, it had better restore normality or even the zombies might smell a rat.

281752 ▶▶▶ Biker, replying to annie, 10, #298 of 2452 🔗

The vaccine will make people sick and they will pass it on to you. Hardly a soul has the virus they’ve just pretended there is a virus but once all the sheep are cutting around injected with the NWO Goo they’ll be dangerous as fuck and whatever evil shit is in their goo will spread to you.

281773 ▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to annie, 8, #299 of 2452 🔗

Problem with this Annie is that once you’ve vaccinated people, we will then be told that the strain has mutated (like in Scandinavia) and this vaccine is not effective against it. Thus lockdown stays in place until the next seasonal COVID-19 vaccine have been created, then it will just be a case of rinse and repeat as the cycle continues. JVT was clear on the endemic and seasonal nature of it yesterday where he basically said “it’s the new flu”.

282123 ▶▶▶▶ Ceriain, replying to JohnB, 1, #300 of 2452 🔗

He could just as easily have said what a lot of people think is true: “it’s the new flu”.

281820 ▶▶ Sarigan, replying to JohnB, 1, #301 of 2452 🔗

He did say that if people don’t take the vaccine in great numbers then the measures would have to continue for some time. It was a couple of questions before the last.

281837 ▶▶ Ben, replying to JohnB, 6, #302 of 2452 🔗

The most deadly virus known to man is the mainstream media

283410 ▶▶ richard riewer, replying to JohnB, #303 of 2452 🔗

They are lazy copywriters and attention seekers at best.

281732 Winston Smith, replying to Winston Smith, 2, #304 of 2452 🔗

How would you like Johnson and his acolytes to meet their end?

a. Hanging
b. Firing squad
c. Lethal injection
d. Other (please give more details in the comments)

281740 ▶▶ Chicot, replying to Winston Smith, 5, #305 of 2452 🔗

c) seems somehow appropriate.

281741 ▶▶ PatrickF, replying to Winston Smith, 20, #306 of 2452 🔗

Locked in an empty pub with no booze, no television, no radio, no pcs, with only Scotch eggs to eat and SAGE minutes to read.

281750 ▶▶▶ annie, replying to PatrickF, 4, #307 of 2452 🔗

For ever.

281937 ▶▶▶ Nigel Sherratt, replying to PatrickF, 2, #308 of 2452 🔗

Just ignoring them would be the worst punishment in their eyes.

281766 ▶▶ Stephanos, replying to Winston Smith, 1, #309 of 2452 🔗

e. slavery

281843 ▶▶▶ annie, replying to Stephanos, #310 of 2452 🔗

What good would they be as slaves? They’ve never done a stroke of work in their entire lives.

281780 ▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to Winston Smith, 1, #311 of 2452 🔗

Re-enact Sisyphus for the rest of their lives with us the public able to pelt them with rotten fruit & veg, milkshakes, etc.

Death is too good for that lot although I would like to enforce the Code of Hammurabi on low hanging fruit like the police, council jobsworths and busybodies.

281860 ▶▶ Lili, replying to Winston Smith, 1, #312 of 2452 🔗

I think an injection would be rather fitting.

281977 ▶▶ thinkaboutit, replying to Winston Smith, #313 of 2452 🔗

Shove them in an oubliette and forget about them.

282126 ▶▶ Ceriain, replying to Winston Smith, 1, #314 of 2452 🔗

e. All of the above

282211 ▶▶ Jez Hewitt, replying to Winston Smith, 1, #315 of 2452 🔗

Polishing turds until they’re suitable to eat – then sewn together as a human centipede.

282333 ▶▶ charleyfarley, replying to Winston Smith, #316 of 2452 🔗

Taking the vaccine?

282449 ▶▶ JohnB, replying to Winston Smith, 1, #317 of 2452 🔗

As a traditionalist, (a) followed by drawing and quartering, followed by beheading.

The last bit not for mercy’s sake, but so we have something to stick on the end of a long pike.

282973 ▶▶ richard riewer, replying to Winston Smith, 2, #318 of 2452 🔗

Firing squad at knee level. One knee. Instant Virtue Signalling. Then send them to care homes where they will work as caretakers for the elderly.

283534 ▶▶ stevie119, replying to Winston Smith, #319 of 2452 🔗

d/.Being severely beaten with a roll of barbed wire followed by drowning in a bucket of battery acid.

281737 peyrole, replying to peyrole, 33, #320 of 2452 🔗

The Top article today suggesting we don’t over use the precautionary principle regarding vaccinations is being disingenuous. It quotes Yeadon and Wodarg but doesn’t put their concernsinto context. Its about ‘time’. We simply do not know the answers to their concerns without the passage of time. The rush to vaccinate is thrust on us by the people who want this fig leaf to escape a social and economic disaster of their own making. The pharmas have no liabilities, its passed onto to us by the government. We take all the risisks here, for a disease which is more in the heads of the government and its public health advisors then is in reality.

281765 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to peyrole, 13, #321 of 2452 🔗

It’s all sorts of wrong for sure. No matter what way you spin it. The conflicts of interest at MRHA with their links to GAVI is just one.

Every turn in this debacle has thrown up people in positions of power who stand to make a fortune from the push to vaccinate 6 billion people. It’s shocking the extent of it.

281742 Jonathan Palmer, replying to Jonathan Palmer, 12, #322 of 2452 🔗

On Peston last night Jeremy Hunt referred to the vaccine as the virus.He wasn’t corrected and didn’t correct himself.
Also it was amusing to see the politicians who are cheerleading for the vaccine,when asked if they would take it first,said they couldn’t possibly jump the queue.

281771 ▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to Jonathan Palmer, 2, #323 of 2452 🔗

That’s funny and its a sign that they’ve got something to hide.

You would have thought if the vaccine was indeed the magic bullet, they would have been fighting to jump in the queue to have it.

281851 ▶▶ Lili, replying to Jonathan Palmer, 2, #324 of 2452 🔗

I’ve heard the vaccine referred to as the ‘virus’ by more than one MP over the past couple of days. They always tell us what they’re doing. I’m sure all of us on here are highly attuned to the words they are using.

281908 ▶▶ leggy, replying to Jonathan Palmer, #325 of 2452 🔗

I heard that happen several times during parliamentary debate this week too. Freudian slips.

282058 ▶▶▶ calchas, replying to leggy, 1, #326 of 2452 🔗

Like Biden and his ‘fraud machine’ statement.

282465 ▶▶ Silke David, replying to Jonathan Palmer, #327 of 2452 🔗

As did the reporter on Ch5 news.

283011 ▶▶ Two-Six, replying to Jonathan Palmer, #328 of 2452 🔗

Twatt Handycock did that the other day too, Rolling out the virus instead of the vaccine

281743 stefarm, replying to stefarm, 5, #329 of 2452 🔗

How does the greatest show on earth vaccine mix with the flu vaccine.

Is the new fan-dabi-dozi vaccine the flu vaccine in disguise.

Is it a harmless placebo to end lockdown and get back to normal?

If we have reached herd Immunity and it only affects those with co-morbidities why do we all need to take it?

Is it another tool to further divide and conquer us (apparently my future FIL has his ready made anti-vaxer put downs ready to go, unless his daughter is not having it, then that’s alright, fyi an intelligent man with a highly paid career in engineering)

Answers on a postcard please

281749 ▶▶ Biker, replying to stefarm, 5, #330 of 2452 🔗

My answer to any of these people who think they know it all is ‘you’re so fucking clever but clever ain’t wise’

281751 ▶▶▶ stefarm, replying to Biker, #331 of 2452 🔗

That is very true.

281930 ▶▶ Nigel Sherratt, replying to stefarm, 1, #332 of 2452 🔗

Placebo plus turn down the PCR test cycles would probably do it.

281756 JohnB, replying to JohnB, 10, #333 of 2452 🔗

After PMQ’s yesterday how long do you reckon Lockdown Sceptics will be around for before it has to shut down?

It look like there will be major fines for websites that have dissenting views, and that the ‘Online Harms’ bill will also include these fines in law which whilst not making it look like the Government is shutting down these sites, it will be financial unviable to run a website where people can have opinions that differ from the Gov and the MSM.

281793 ▶▶ Eddy, replying to JohnB, #334 of 2452 🔗

#CNNTAPES on twitter will give you an insight to how corrupt the media really are.

They are the virus.

282443 ▶▶ JohnB, replying to JohnB, #335 of 2452 🔗

Other website hosting countries are available.

282923 ▶▶ JanMasarykMunich, replying to JohnB, #336 of 2452 🔗

I don’t think they would dare shut down this site, or fine it out of existence. Not that they would not like to, but would risk an outcry (and Toby knows how to defend himself). Less high profile sites could be in danger. Nevertheless, a very very worrying development in an already disturbing situation concerning free speech.
But, I think it shows that they are nervous about opposition. And, if they go too far, maybe people will start waking up. Hopefully.

282986 ▶▶ richard riewer, replying to JohnB, #337 of 2452 🔗

This is Totalitarian. Boris is a Dictator. Must be shamed mercilessly.

281758 THE REAL NORMAL PODCAST, #338 of 2452 🔗

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281770 Biker, replying to Biker, 1, #339 of 2452 🔗

Technically if you were to fuck anyone with a face mask on you’d be bi-sexual

281778 ▶▶ Winston Smith, replying to Biker, 1, #340 of 2452 🔗

I just wouldn’t.

Blindfold yes, face mask no.

281923 ▶▶▶ Nigel Sherratt, replying to Winston Smith, 2, #341 of 2452 🔗

Double blind RCT?

281774 Londo Mollari, replying to Londo Mollari, 9, #342 of 2452 🔗

Is this an innocent slip of the tongue? A sinister Freudian slip? Prof Sir John Bell of Sage, being interviewed by Jon Snow of C4 News, says the vaccine is “unlikely to completely s sterilize” the whole population. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IMAkFKprzRQ&fbclid=IwAR3S7CPB5H4_8j9BMGNZw14X6duGamb1qgdKGdHIGdIdzP37zvc38I_ct3c&app=desktop

281810 ▶▶ helen, replying to Londo Mollari, 2, #343 of 2452 🔗

Prof Sir John Bell
Other Activities / Memberships

  • Immunocore Ltd, Chairman
  • Genentech, Non-Executive Director
  • Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation, Chair, Global Health Program Advisory Committee
  • Robertson Foundation, Advisor
  • Ewelme Almshouse Charity, Master/Trustee
  • The Rhodes Trust, Chair
  • Genome England Ltd, Non-Executive Director
  • Genome England Ltd Scientific Advisory Board, Chairman
  • Oak Foundation, Advisor
  • Early Disease Detection Research Platform UK, Chair
281848 ▶▶ annie, replying to Londo Mollari, #344 of 2452 🔗

So you’ll just be a little bit sterile?

281917 ▶▶▶ Nigel Sherratt, replying to annie, #345 of 2452 🔗

And only get a little bit pregnant.

281775 Nsklent, replying to Nsklent, 12, #346 of 2452 🔗

I am glad you have made this point, as pretty much what I was thinking. Disappointed that LS are openly welcoming a vaccine, that is a novel method ie mRNA, that has been rushed through in all aspects, and the only party that are potentially going to suffer are the end users. The concerns highlighted by Yeadon are genuine and not at all to be dismissed. If this virus reflected the mortality of Ebola, it would probably be a fair trade off, but with the miniscule risk this virus presents, then a rushed vaccine with potential harmful effects is not something to be celebrated.
Talk radio also equslly enthralled in the vaccine.

281777 ▶▶ Nsklent, replying to Nsklent, 1, #347 of 2452 🔗

My comment was supposed to be in response to peyrole.

281828 ▶▶ Ben, replying to Nsklent, 9, #348 of 2452 🔗

Dismayed. I still remember Chris Whitty’s Downing Street briefing earlier this year in which he stated ‘Covid-19 is harmless to the vast majority of people’. There’s a video on YouTube

So why are we being coerced, threatened and shamed into taking something that has not been tested fully and is indemnified?

Who do I trust – Dr Michael Yeadon and Dr Wolfgang Wodarg or Patrick Vallance and his shares?

282179 ▶▶▶ Ceriain, replying to Ben, 12, #349 of 2452 🔗

His exact words, Ben:

Chris Whitty – Government press conference on Monday 11/05/2020:

“Most people, a significant proportion of people, will not get this virus at all, at any point of the epidemic which is going to go on for a long period of time.

Of those who do, some of them will get the virus without even knowing it, they will have the virus with no symptoms at all, asymptomatic carriage, and we know that happens.

Of those who get symptoms, the great majority, probably 80%, will have a mild or moderate disease. Might be bad enough for them to have to go to bed for a few days, not bad enough for them to have to go to the doctor.

An unfortunate minority will have to go as far as hospital, but the majority of those will just need oxygen and will then leave hospital.

And then a minority of those will end up having to go to severe end critical care and some of those sadly will die. (sadliedie – for Annie )

But that’s a minority, it’s 1% or possibly even less than 1% overall.

And even in the highest risk group this is significantly less than 20%, ie. the great majority of people, even the very highest groups, if they catch this virus, will not die.

And I really wanted to make that point really clearly…”

Amazing the crap I’ve saved over the last 9 months. 😉

283167 ▶▶▶▶ Ned of the Hills, replying to Ceriain, 1, #350 of 2452 🔗

Thank you very much for the transcription. He’s changed a bit!

Now he seems to think his main function is to frighten the bejaybus out of us.

283347 ▶▶▶▶▶ Ceriain, replying to Ned of the Hills, #351 of 2452 🔗

Now he seems to think his main function is to frighten the bejaybus out of us.

Indeed! He frightens me just looking at him.

281830 ▶▶ Tyneside Tigress, replying to Nsklent, 3, #352 of 2452 🔗

Suspect they have all been warned they will have their licences revoked or will otherwise be shut down.

283414 ▶▶ richard riewer, replying to Nsklent, #353 of 2452 🔗

Maybe Change Agents are taking over the editorial board of Lockdown Skeptics? Even Toby Young waffles on occasion. I prefer James Delingpole, Mark Windows or Richie Allen.

281776 Bart Simpson, replying to Bart Simpson, 7, #354 of 2452 🔗

Just a question:

If there was a move to forcibly vaccinate the entire populace either through coercion by the state or by employers, restaurants, venues and visitor attractions; who is to be sued if the poor bugger develops side effects or to bring a discrimination lawsuit?

We know that the pharmaceutical companies have been given immunity from litigation but surely there is someone that victims can get legal redress.

281785 ▶▶ Eddy, replying to Bart Simpson, 1, #355 of 2452 🔗

The taxpayer pays for all claims in the USA.

281811 ▶▶ Sarigan, replying to Bart Simpson, 2, #356 of 2452 🔗

https://www.gov.uk/vaccine-damage-payment

£120k fixed amount from the U.K. tax payers

281815 ▶▶▶ Ben, replying to Sarigan, 5, #357 of 2452 🔗

£120K is not enough for a life destroyed by vaccine injury

281889 ▶▶▶▶ mhcp, replying to Ben, 1, #358 of 2452 🔗

It’s 4 years of QALY. But under the current calculations for QALY with Covid it should be at roughly £1.2M

282217 ▶▶▶▶▶ Ben, replying to mhcp, #359 of 2452 🔗

Covid vaccines are indemnified

282435 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to Ben, #360 of 2452 🔗

they are ?

281835 ▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to Sarigan, 2, #361 of 2452 🔗

That’s loose change in the face of possible lifetime unemployment, permanent damage and being reliant on certain drugs for the rest of your life.

Hence why it should remain voluntary and NEVER mandatory.

282129 ▶▶▶ Victoria, replying to Sarigan, 1, #362 of 2452 🔗

Also very difficult to get the payment – lots of obstacles to take case further and win

282391 ▶▶▶ claire, replying to Sarigan, #363 of 2452 🔗

doesnt apply to ‘pandemic influenza’

281841 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to Bart Simpson, 3, #364 of 2452 🔗

Same as with masks. If your employer insists, make sure they accept full liability. They won’t.

281781 crimsonpirate, replying to crimsonpirate, 9, #365 of 2452 🔗

“spike proteins also contain syncytin-homologous proteins, which are essential for the formation of the placenta in mammals such as humans. It must be ruled out that a vaccine against SARS-CoV-2 could trigger an immune reaction against syncytin-1, as it may otherwise result in infertility of indefinite duration in vaccinated women”

the film “Children of Men” came to mind

281797 ▶▶ Ben, replying to crimsonpirate, 8, #366 of 2452 🔗

Can’t find the right words..

Is the Government trying to harm us? Have I got the science wrong? If it’s *safe* then why is it indemnified? Am I an anti-vaxxer because I’m confused, hesitant and worried? What am I? Would Keir Starmer like to see me criminalised? Does the Nuremberg Code mean nothing?
What am I to think?

Is this psychological warfare?

281858 ▶▶▶ annie, replying to Ben, 1, #367 of 2452 🔗

Is the pope a catholic?

282428 ▶▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to annie, 1, #368 of 2452 🔗

Do ursines defecate in sylvan glades ?

282993 ▶▶▶ JanMasarykMunich, replying to Ben, #369 of 2452 🔗
283035 ▶▶▶ Two-Six, replying to Ben, #370 of 2452 🔗

est Bill Gates malum anti humana globulin?

281942 ▶▶ leggy, replying to crimsonpirate, 1, #371 of 2452 🔗

A bit like Utopia too. The topic was discussed earlier in the year in Corona: False Alarm:

Gene-based vaccines. In these cases, the viral gene is delivered to the cell either as DNA inserted into a plasmid or as mRNA that is directly translated into protein following cell uptake.

A great potential danger of DNA-based vaccines is the integration of plasmid DNA into the cell genome. Insertional mutagenesis occurs rarely but can become a realistic danger when the number of events is very large, i.e. as in mass vaccination of a population. If insertion occurs in cells of the reproductive system, the altered genetic information will be transmitted from mother to child. Other dangers of DNA vaccines are production of anti-DNA antibodies and autoimmune reactions.

Safety concerns linked to mRNA vaccines include systemic inflammation and potential toxic effects.

A further immense danger looms that applies equally to mRNA-based coronavirus vaccines. At some time during or after production of the viral spike, waste products of the protein must be expected to become exposed on the surface of targeted cells. The majority of healthy individuals have killer lymphocytes that recognise these viral products. It is inevitable that autoimmune attacks will be mounted against the cells. Where, when, and with which effects this might occur is entirely unknown. But the prospects are simply terrifying.

281786 Ben, 3, #372 of 2452 🔗

I’ve just read the article (linked below). Anxious. Confused. Who to trust? The Government or Wolfgang Wodarg and Michael Yeadon?

‘After careful consideration I’ve joined Prof Wodarg in calling on EMA not to approve this development stage vaccine, for several reasons (see article). If you agree, pls use the email link at base of article to add your voice to that call.’ – Dr Yeadon

https://twitter.com/MichaelYeadon3/status/1333888419374772225?s=20

https://2020news.de/en/dr-wodarg-and-dr-yeadon-request-a-stop-of-all-corona-vaccination-studies-and-call-for-co-signing-the-petition/

281788 mhcp, replying to mhcp, 5, #373 of 2452 🔗

So if 170 of 41000 people appear to have got Covid doesn’t that mean the prevalence is less than 1% at time of trial? And hence positive cases from PCR really are just noise.

281791 ▶▶ Tyneside Tigress, replying to mhcp, #374 of 2452 🔗

Pfizer’s Phase III was also carried out in the US I believe – aren’t we led to believe it is growing exponentially there too?

281796 ▶▶▶ mhcp, replying to Tyneside Tigress, 1, #375 of 2452 🔗

That’s what’s odd. Inadvertently Pfizer appear to have characterised the amount of “Covid” going through the US and it seems it’s not much at all. Because 170 infections doesn’t mean the same amount of deaths.

I don’t see the point of the vaccine in cost benefit terms

281801 ▶▶▶▶ Tyneside Tigress, replying to mhcp, #376 of 2452 🔗

There is neither a clinical nor cost advantage to it – aside from of course, for the Biotech and Pharma industry. Convenient after so many of the big earners were going off patent in the latter part of the 2010-2020 period!

281914 ▶▶▶ steph, replying to Tyneside Tigress, 1, #377 of 2452 🔗

The only thing that has grown exponentially on both sides of the Atlantic has been fear and stupidity. I know I may preaching to the choir!

282421 ▶▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to steph, 1, #378 of 2452 🔗

and don’t forget mendacity too !

281821 ▶▶ NickR, replying to mhcp, 1, #379 of 2452 🔗

Yes, it means the prevalence was about 0.4%. About the same rate they found in Liverpool when mass testing was done & they thought the rate was 2.5%. Also, the volunteers were chosen because it was thought they were in high risk groups most likely to get infected.

281886 ▶▶▶ mhcp, replying to NickR, 1, #380 of 2452 🔗

I think it means at the time of trial Covid was effectively a phantom disease

283419 ▶▶▶ richard riewer, replying to NickR, 1, #381 of 2452 🔗

So did they learn anything from the Liverpool test results and adjust to them accordingly? No, they did not. It’s all bullshit. They are just jerking us around.

281827 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to mhcp, 3, #382 of 2452 🔗

Van Tam on the BBC this morning as well saying the plan is for the vaccine to stop people dying of Covid. There is nothing in the trials for Pfzier which can be stretched to that outcome. It’s a punt.

281789 mikewaite, replying to mikewaite, 13, #383 of 2452 🔗

Late yesterday, in reply to a call from poster “janis” for exemplary action against those refusing vaccination I suggested that she had it the wrong way round.
My reasoning (if that word is not too pretentious ) was based on comments seen here such as this, posted here today: :
While the trials have proved that the vaccine can provide immunity against COVID-19 for the person who has been vaccinated, they were not designed to show whether the vaccine stops someone transmitting the virus to others. Nor do we know how long immunity might last.

What this implies is that someone who has been vaccinated may show no visible signs of infection, but could still pass on the disease to others . However someone who has not been vaccinated will have no palliative effects from the injection and any signs of infection will therefore be so obvious that others will be able to stay away from them, thus reducing, relatively, the risk of spread of the disease.
It is the vaccinated who are more likely to spread the disease , not the unvaccinated .
Therefore if action has to be taken to prevent the spread of Covid by banning people from shops, pubs, transport , sporting venues , etc , it is the vaccinated who should be banned, not the unvaccinated.
I am suggesting that vaccination of the type of material proposed presents not only a personal risk to the individual but a massive risk to the whole community .
Does this makes sense to you?

281832 ▶▶ leggy, replying to mikewaite, #384 of 2452 🔗

You didn’t read their post properly, they were quoting someone else, though failing to use quotation marks.

282086 ▶▶ calchas, replying to mikewaite, #385 of 2452 🔗

Well spotted

283019 ▶▶ JanMasarykMunich, replying to mikewaite, #386 of 2452 🔗

It absolutely makes sense. And it does indeed seem to be the case that this vaccine will simply bring about the risk of asymptomatic transmission. On the other hand, recent Wuhan study showed there is no (or next to no) asymptomatic transmission. (So, no need for vaccine or any measures, outside common sense, basically.)

What the UK government is saying makes no sense. But we are used to that, I suppose. Interesting to see how it develops.

281794 Richard O, replying to Richard O, 8, #387 of 2452 🔗

I drink all night to celebrate vaccine. For first time in life, start work with no sleep, still drunk. Very nice.

281864 ▶▶ Richard O, replying to Richard O, 3, #388 of 2452 🔗

Lucky still to have work. But fuck system anyway.

281904 ▶▶▶ Nigel Sherratt, replying to Richard O, #389 of 2452 🔗

Can you tell your hangover from ‘rona?

283422 ▶▶ richard riewer, replying to Richard O, #390 of 2452 🔗

Try Jeeves’s hair of the dog.

281798 Charles, replying to Charles, 3, #391 of 2452 🔗

Informative as usual. I think the man in New Zealand is quite odd, he likes being locked away. I see the vaccine roll out is already being slowed by logistics. Yesterday people were talking about distributing it by motorcycle using pizza bags to keep it cool. Now it looks like everyone has to go to Hospital.

281806 ▶▶ Londo Mollari, replying to Charles, 2, #392 of 2452 🔗

Why not? The hospitals are not being used or anything else. People consider hospitals to be safe, just like trains were in the 1930s and 1940s.

281852 ▶▶▶ annie, replying to Londo Mollari, 1, #393 of 2452 🔗

In the 1930s and 1940s people were terrified of hospitals.Hospital was where you went to die.

281900 ▶▶▶▶ Nigel Sherratt, replying to annie, 3, #394 of 2452 🔗

Think LM was refering to ‘cattle cars’.

We saw the cattle cars it’s true
And maybe they carried a Jew or two
They woke us up as they rattled through
But what did you expect me to do”

Tom Paxton

281906 ▶▶▶▶▶ steph, replying to Nigel Sherratt, #395 of 2452 🔗

Ahh. Missed that. Thanks

283424 ▶▶▶▶ richard riewer, replying to annie, #396 of 2452 🔗

Still do.

281902 ▶▶▶ steph, replying to Londo Mollari, 3, #397 of 2452 🔗

Because they are filthy hot beds of infection ( many types).
Let’s take a coach load of vulnerable 80+ people from the care homes on a day trip to Norovirus and MRSA central to get them jabbed with a vaccine which has not been tested in their age group at all. Can’t see a problem with that

281799 Schrodinger, replying to Schrodinger, 7, #398 of 2452 🔗

This probably isn’t going to be popular but needs to be said. I’ve always found the ‘Woke Gobbledegook’ section to be a strange bedfellow with the Covid Lockdown situation.
Today it makes the claim about the “ Xinjiang region of China, where Uyghur Muslims face severe repression and are used for forced labour”
As most people here know we are fighting a powerful mainstream news agenda and all the propaganda of the state in respect of Covid19. So why do people accept the same powerful apparatus is telling the truth in respect of the Uyghurs? After all Uncle Sam is shit scared of China’s increasing economic power and it’s Silk Road project that will pass through that area of China; they would never be looking to spread misinformation – would they?
Now there may be oppression there (then again my rights have been completely removed here in the UK; I have been under house detention, I cannot leave my country of Wales and I live my life under oppressive restrictions and control with the possibility of ‘freedom passes and forced vaccination to come) I would ask that people start and do their own research into the situation rather than just lazily trot out the mainstream media propaganda. For a start looking at the other side of the story here’s a good place to start
https://worldaffairs.blog/2019/07/05/xinjiang-and-uyghurs-what-youre-not-being-told/

281836 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to Schrodinger, 1, #399 of 2452 🔗

I’ll say I only know the basics of what is being alleged but I agree with you we have to be super sceptical of official narratives.

281866 ▶▶▶ mjr, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 2, #400 of 2452 🔗

this worldaffairs blog is owned by a guy called Chris Kanthan who has some very strange views and is a bit of a conspiracy theorist. Alternative views are always welcome, but a blog that comes out as such an advert and promo for the CCP needs to be viewed as what it probably is – a CCP shill. Note that not one of the comments is critical. Does remind me of the sort of thing the Nazis put out as propaganda

281912 ▶▶▶▶ Schrodinger, replying to mjr, #401 of 2452 🔗

“a bit of a conspiracy theorist” praise indeed as we are all ‘wacko conspiracy theorists’.

All I am saying is why immediately believe the same western media sources, put out by the same people who are putting out the Covid propaganda?

Start digging for the truth.

 For instance many of the images showing ‘mistreatment’ have been shown to be false.

https://observers.france24.com/en/20200103-how-fake-images-uighur-persecution-are-hurting-cause

281853 ▶▶ mhcp, replying to Schrodinger, #402 of 2452 🔗

They have done the same thing for Myanmar with Rohingya. The story is lot more complicated.

The best one is Darfur and the alleged millions of deaths. Sure the Sudanese government paid local mercanaries and yes there were deaths and terrible incidences, but the scale of people being displaced or killed has been hyper exagerrated. Simply put, there just aren’t that many people living there. Secondly, Darfur has a history of competing tribe fights. And then there’s the influence of places like Chad.

George Clooney famously paid for a satellite to monitor action in the region and then was surprised when the results came back with a very different picture.

283426 ▶▶▶ richard riewer, replying to mhcp, #403 of 2452 🔗

Who gave George Clooney to film there? The Screen Actors Guild?

283428 ▶▶▶▶ richard riewer, replying to richard riewer, #404 of 2452 🔗

Forgot a word. Who gave George Clooney permission to film there? Hmm?

281857 ▶▶ Waldorf, replying to Schrodinger, #405 of 2452 🔗

It reminds me a bit of an admittedly pro-IRA cartoon in Republican News in the 1970s. A “blanket protester” is sitting in his prison cell thinking, “Gosh! I wish I had a TV! I could do with watching a documentary on the sorrowful plight of Soviet dissidents!”

281884 ▶▶ Nigel Sherratt, replying to Schrodinger, #406 of 2452 🔗

I for one welcome our communist overlords and their wonderful novel viruses.

281894 ▶▶ Wolver, replying to Schrodinger, #407 of 2452 🔗

This guy often does good videos on China.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fuk0KuUPBsc

281927 ▶▶▶ Schrodinger, replying to Wolver, 1, #408 of 2452 🔗

Looks interesting, will watch now,. We had our 25th wedding anniversary in the centre of the Gobi desert (after trying to think of the most unusual place to have it).

281941 ▶▶ davews, replying to Schrodinger, 3, #409 of 2452 🔗

The woke section doesn’t interest me at all and I just skip past it. It has no place in LS.

282032 ▶▶▶ Wolver, replying to davews, 3, #410 of 2452 🔗

“The woke section doesn’t interest me at all and I just skip past it. It has no place in LS.

I personally think this is a bit short sighted. I’m not a huge fan of the label woke, I think useful idiots is a better descriptor, but these are the people who advocate for the removal of your freedoms. They look for offence where there is none intended, then use this to bring in stricter speech laws and stifle debate. They put pressure on businesses to support their ideology and politicise everything.

They should be challenged, not ignored.

281800 jb12, replying to jb12, 19, #411 of 2452 🔗

‘Sceptics must be careful to avoid excessive application of the precautionary principle here. Of course, it hasn’t been definitively proved that the vaccine is safe. But then again, it can’t be proved, categorically, that it would be safe to end all Government-mandated restrictions tomorrow and we don’t regard that as a good reason not to do so. It’s about a balance of risk and we should apply that same calculus here.’

Jonathan Barr: go away and don’t come back. Shilling for the vaccine is not welcome here.

281802 ▶▶ Richard O, replying to jb12, 8, #412 of 2452 🔗

The Overton window continues to shift. Give it a couple of months and there will be extensive discussions on here about all our employers mandating the vaccine and whether we should resign or not.

281845 ▶▶▶ jb12, replying to Richard O, 10, #413 of 2452 🔗

I am certain of it. How dare Barr conflate not only an untested vaccine, but one that utilises entirely untested technology, with the ending of lockdowns!

281840 ▶▶ Mabel Cow, replying to jb12, 7, #414 of 2452 🔗

Perhaps this site will become just another expression of the insane mirror world we live in: the faces BTL pressed to the glass watching the people ATL doing the exact opposite of what we consider to be sensible, steering the ship directly at the iceberg whilst claiming it’s the only way to get to New York on time.

281873 ▶▶ Nigel Sherratt, replying to jb12, 3, #415 of 2452 🔗

The ‘precautionary principle’ is dangerous balls and a con responsible for much that is worst with our modern lives.

281882 ▶▶ mhcp, replying to jb12, 8, #416 of 2452 🔗

To Jonathan: the burden of proof is on the vaccine makers not the people opposed to the vaccine because it hasn’t followed STANDARD VACCINE DEVELOPMENT TIMELINES.

281804 Londo Mollari, replying to Londo Mollari, 4, #417 of 2452 🔗

The comments below the Wail article on Piers Corbyn are depressing. They are almost 100 per cent against. Is this because they disapprove of protests or because they disapprove of anyone named Corbyn?

281829 ▶▶ crimsonpirate, replying to Londo Mollari, 1, #418 of 2452 🔗

It was a bit odd. Normally articles in the Mail draw a very sceptic response. I guess the people commenting there are a distinct constituency separate to posters on this forum. I don’t know if that is encouraging or disappointing.

281885 ▶▶▶ steph, replying to crimsonpirate, 5, #419 of 2452 🔗

I registered with the Mail at the weekend to make a couple of comments. It’s not my normal habitat and I felt little unsure about doing it. I wonder what the cross over is between here and there?
I suspect the name Corbyn is a red rag and not many look beyond that. The UK has a pretty stupid population from what I can see.

281965 ▶▶▶▶ JanMasarykMunich, replying to steph, 6, #420 of 2452 🔗

Not only stupid, but also aggressive and unpleasant. (Predictable result of the scaremongering. See Neil Oliver on Talk Radio on frightening level of hatred in society.)

I went over there (DM) yesterday 1. to gauge opinion and 2. to post some sceptical (rational) points.
Not a nice experience. Yes, thankfully, there are plenty of sceptical posts, but there was also a large amount of arrogant gloating on the part of those in favour of excluding ‘anti-vaxxers’ from society. (No, I am not an ‘anti-vaxxer’, but no way I am having this one.)
https://off-guardian.org/2020/12/02/5-burning-questions-about-the-new-covid-vaccine/

282352 ▶▶▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to JanMasarykMunich, 1, #421 of 2452 🔗

I’m an anti-vaxxer, and quite relaxed about being excluded by those morons.

Maybe a tad harsh on genuine morons …

281966 ▶▶▶▶ Ellis Bell, replying to steph, #422 of 2452 🔗

I made that mistake. Never again! The most reasonable of comments invite abuse.

282003 ▶▶▶▶ Sam Vimes, replying to steph, 1, #423 of 2452 🔗

They are incredibly stupid, Steph. You can spot them easily, just look for this on their face <[::::]>

282298 ▶▶▶▶ Jez Hewitt, replying to steph, #424 of 2452 🔗

I joined to drop comments regarding Brexit early last year. I’ve since turned my efforts to discredit all this nonsense. I’m pretty confident that the WEF agenda is what this is all about as I’ve seen the same old names calling out anyone questioning the narrative, Yeadon and Co’s MSM blanket dismissal, and anyone’s perfectly common sense based head scratching regarding vaccination.

Interestingly, they’re super quick to label anyone as anti-vaxx, or Baco wrapped whilst simultaneously never drawing attention by fact based refute of sites like The Mirror Project or criticism of the WEF. I’ve point blank called them out but they never come back

282319 ▶▶▶▶ Jez Hewitt, replying to steph, #425 of 2452 🔗

I joined to drop comments regarding Brexit early last year. I’ve since turned my efforts to discredit all this nonsense. I’m pretty confident that the WEF agenda is what this is all about as I’ve seen the same old names calling out anyone questioning the narrative, Yeadon and Co’s MSM blanket dismissal, and anyone’s perfectly common sense based head scratching regarding vaccination.

Interestingly, they’re super quick to label anyone as anti-vaxx, or Baco wrapped whilst simultaneously never drawing attention by fact based refute of sites like The Mirror Project or criticism of the WEF. I’ve point blank called them out but they never come back.

The sceptic/cynic in me says there are teams of these people, paid/employed to do others bidding. More interesting is that I see the same names that were shooting down Brexit as are pro all this bollocks – all on the same threads, mostly at the same time.

Coincidence?

282063 ▶▶ PastImperfect, replying to Londo Mollari, 1, #426 of 2452 🔗

SS brigade at work

281809 mjr, replying to mjr, 24, #427 of 2452 🔗

so, people can now go to some sports events. the attached shows Wycombe Wanderers game last night . Capacity 9,500, 2019/20 average c 5000.
1000 supporters allowed.
this is outside. masks are not required outside. they are wearing masks
they are socially distanced – 2 metres apart .
If social distancing works, why do they need masks.
If masks work , why do they need to be distanced
if masks arent required outside why are they wearing masks

Doesnt the whole issue seem total bollocks ??

281818 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to mjr, 7, #428 of 2452 🔗

Looks absolutely awful.

281822 ▶▶ Richard O, replying to mjr, 7, #429 of 2452 🔗

Fuck the authorities, clubs, players and fans for doing this. Whatever this excrescence is, it is not football.

Association Football 1863-2020. R.I.P.

281928 ▶▶▶ Ed Phillips, replying to Richard O, 7, #430 of 2452 🔗

I hold the sporting governing bodies complicit in this whole mess.

They shut down their leagues in the weeks before lockdown.

If they’d stayed open then we may have been in a different place.

281842 ▶▶ mhcp, replying to mjr, #431 of 2452 🔗

Someone needs to tunnel through the changing rooms

281875 ▶▶ JHuntz, replying to mjr, 3, #432 of 2452 🔗

People accept this shite though. Why go?

282208 ▶▶ Ceriain, replying to mjr, 1, #433 of 2452 🔗

if masks arent required outside why are they wearing masks

Efficient programming.

282766 ▶▶ Borisbullshit, replying to mjr, #434 of 2452 🔗

Did the players do a masked and socially distanced take of the knee though thats the really important issue lol!

283471 ▶▶ Ruth Sharpe, replying to mjr, #435 of 2452 🔗

Originally, masks were supposed only to be used where social distancing wasn’t possible.

281812 PatrickF, replying to PatrickF, 7, #436 of 2452 🔗

I go to University to learn about the four corners of my room. You?

281898 ▶▶ IanE, replying to PatrickF, #437 of 2452 🔗

Mine has 8!

281915 ▶▶▶ PatrickF, replying to IanE, #438 of 2452 🔗

Is an eight sided room a D’oh dick a head Ron?
I’m lovin’ studyin ‘ Virtue Signallin’!

282006 ▶▶▶▶ IanE, replying to PatrickF, #439 of 2452 🔗

Well, ‘corner’ is used for sometimes for edges and sometimes for vertices – 12 edges, 8 vertices. Hard to see where the 4 comes from though.

282347 ▶▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to PatrickF, #440 of 2452 🔗

Twelve sided room maybe ? 🙂 You need some octopussy puns …

281813 Bill h, replying to Bill h, 7, #441 of 2452 🔗

Does anyone have any links to the sources of these so-called polls which claim that everyone wants to increase lockdowns, swill down the vaccines, shut the pubs etc ?

I’m interested to look at the questions actually being asked, and who is being asked also.

These polls just seem to pop up with no context given…..

Cheers

281817 ▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to Bill h, 7, #442 of 2452 🔗

youGov and Survation are the usual two. But newspapers also conduct their own (self-selecting) polls. But few polling companies are taking time to ensure their poll samples are representative. YouGov especially has a large self-selecting group of pollsters.

I take all polls with a saltmine.

281863 ▶▶ PatrickF, replying to Bill h, 8, #443 of 2452 🔗

As a Pollster for Youwhatgov? I polled myself with these questions:
Would you choose the vaccine, or have your sexual organs removed?
Would you prefer an indefinite lockdown, or be chained to Piers Morgan for a week?
I answered YES to both questions and then extrapolated my findings to show that 100% of the UK agree.

282340 ▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to PatrickF, #444 of 2452 🔗

I must say I’d chose to be chained to Morgan for a week. After the first few minutes, he’d be completely quiet.

282338 ▶▶ JohnB, replying to Bill h, 1, #445 of 2452 🔗

You gov was actually founded by that vaccine bloke, Nadhim Zahawi .

Says a lot.

281816 BeBopRockSteady, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 18, #446 of 2452 🔗

That postcard from NZ makes for strange reading. Is the author a sceptic at all? If it wasn’t 2020 they’d be describing prison. One that they have paid for no less.

The line about being worried about a packed flight but more assured once they knew there was a space between the other passenger and their own seat. If this was a real concern, you’d not be on that flight surely.

281831 ▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 7, #447 of 2452 🔗

I read it and found it rather disturbing. If that was me, I would have gone bananas ages ago.

281880 ▶▶ Adamb, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 3, #448 of 2452 🔗

Yes, I wondered if he’d written to the right place..

281936 ▶▶▶ Nsklent, replying to Adamb, 4, #449 of 2452 🔗

But why publish it?

281919 ▶▶ Ed Phillips, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 2, #450 of 2452 🔗

I said the same earlier on this thread.

One commenter said it was satire. Hmm…

281819 Tyneside Tigress, 1, #451 of 2452 🔗
281823 Fingerache Philip., replying to Fingerache Philip., 9, #452 of 2452 🔗

Valery Giscard d’Estaing dies of Covid related complications aged 94.
Christ, they’re really getting desperate now, ain’t they.

281867 ▶▶ Nigel Sherratt, replying to Fingerache Philip., 4, #453 of 2452 🔗

He was hoping for the ‘shot by jealous husband’ exit coveted by all true ‘swordsmen’. (Hope this doesn’t get hit by the porn spam filter.)

281824 Nsklent, replying to Nsklent, 3, #454 of 2452 🔗

One thing they do not appear to have explained about this Pfizer vaccine and the need to maintain it at -70c. At what temperature does it need to be before it can be injected, how is it warmed, once at the temperature for administration what is the window of time before the vaccine is no longer viable because it is no longer at -70 or worse could cause side effects because it has been at a warmer temperature for longer than the prescribed time, additionally can it then be refrozen if not all are used on the day of vaccination.
How will those vaccinating measure the temperature – if too cold could it encourage a blood embolus to form.
Considering the shoddy handling and execution of the PCR test, and considering vaccinators are anyone with 2 A levels, the administration alone appears to be riddled with potential risks for the vaccinated, yet alone the actual vaccine.
The logistics of delivering this Pfizer vaccine are actually unrealistic, or alternatively will be managed badly with detrimental outcomes.

281833 ▶▶ Richard O, replying to Nsklent, 2, #455 of 2452 🔗

I still have no concrete answer as to why this vaccine needs to be stored at -70 C.

281881 ▶▶▶ Henry, replying to Richard O, 4, #456 of 2452 🔗

I presume because it is RNA, which is very fragile to degradation (particularly repeated freeze thaw action).

281913 ▶▶▶▶ Henry, replying to Henry, 1, #457 of 2452 🔗

I should add, all RNA is kept at -70 or liquid nitrogen in scientific labs because it degrades fairly rapidly (UV, nucleases etc).

281935 ▶▶▶▶▶ Nsklent, replying to Henry, #458 of 2452 🔗

This is my point above. If you are an average gp clinic with 300 people that day to vaccinate, how do you manage the logistics of ‘warming’ enough vials within the allocated time period before they are no longer viable. If money is at stake, I can imagine there will be plenty of vials refrozen against adminstration policy.

281972 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Henry, replying to Nsklent, #459 of 2452 🔗

We would work with purified RNA for an hour or so it being kept on the bench in ice. One has to work much more rapidly using endogenous/extracting RNA.

It will degrade over time for sure, and I agree there are both logistical and administering challenges. To me, it doesn’t seem that challenging on small scale. I imagine a certain amount of wastage, but considering the billions already pissed up the wall… Be interesting to see if vials end up refrozen, maybe too scandalous if it happens/reported.

281989 ▶▶▶▶▶ Sam Vimes, replying to Henry, 1, #460 of 2452 🔗

But, these vials of saline solution will keep perfectly well at any temperature. 🙂

282000 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Henry, replying to Sam Vimes, #461 of 2452 🔗

😂 😂 ha ha, yes very true. All, very expensive, theatre then!

283436 ▶▶▶▶▶ richard riewer, replying to Henry, #462 of 2452 🔗

What if it degrades before it penetrates the cell wall?

281887 ▶▶▶ IanE, replying to Richard O, 1, #463 of 2452 🔗

I have seen the comment that it is very susceptible to enzyme degradation and hence the very low temps needed. However, it suggests desperately poor product preparation if the vaccine is contaminated with nucleic acid degrading enzymes: something very fishy is going on!

281995 ▶▶▶ Mabel Cow, replying to Richard O, #464 of 2452 🔗

I read somewhere that one of the key enabling techniques for a mass-produced m-RNA vaccine is wrapping the RNA in a lipid coating, to act as a preservative.

I guess the low temperature keeps the molecular movement down to a level that stops the coating from being immediately shrugged off. As to why a specific temperature (and I’ve seen a range from -70 to -80 mentioned), I further guess that experiments have shown that this temperature is a reasonable compromise between vaccine longevity and logistical practicality.

I can’t find the original article I read, but this one mentions the coating in the usual pop-sci levels of non-detail.

282331 ▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to Richard O, 1, #465 of 2452 🔗

Alien life forms from a frozen planet far far away ? 🙂

281890 ▶▶ leggy, replying to Nsklent, #466 of 2452 🔗

Especially concerning when it’s going to be administered by amateurs.

282111 ▶▶ maggie may, replying to Nsklent, #467 of 2452 🔗

I have heard that it can actually last for 6 days in a normal fridge so idea is to deliver large quantities (at -70degrees, min 600 doses i believe) to surgeries/jab centres, and then they use it over the next 6 days. Whether that’s true or not i can’t say but the person who told me seems well informed about it!

283437 ▶▶▶ richard riewer, replying to maggie may, #468 of 2452 🔗

Insist that the refrigerators only be generated by wind and solar technology as part of the New Green Deal.

281834 JanMasarykMunich, 7, #469 of 2452 🔗

Excellent interview with Neil Oliver on Talk Radio.

281838 nickbowes, replying to nickbowes, 17, #470 of 2452 🔗

look at any young ( ish) person today on a bus, a train, walking down the street or at lunch hour in the office.
for the last twenty or so years people have been watching videos of dancing cats on mobile phones whilst the fascists have grabbed our freedoms.

Bin the technology.
Bin the bbc.
Bin the newspapers..

Covid and this bs vanishes

281861 ▶▶ JohnB, replying to nickbowes, 12, #471 of 2452 🔗

With the young people I employ I have found there is major problems. None of them want to self improve, do training, put in their own time to learn things which could potentially improve their knowledge and qualification which would lead to them moving up the ladder or moving to another company that could offer them bigger and better opportunities. We put in place schemes to help them develop but they never take them, saying that they don’t have time even though they’re early 20’s, no kids and no responsibility.

Then we normally get them leaving as they ask for pay rises which are well above there grades. They usually end up moving but it’s just a pattern of horizontal movement really, and they stay at the level they started at.

281924 ▶▶▶ Ellis Bell, replying to JohnB, 11, #472 of 2452 🔗

You do young people a disservice I believe. I feel for the young in all of this. I’m a teacher and their fortitude and sacrifce during these awful times is rarely recognised. I think they have, and continue to be, amazing.

Everything most of us have taken for granted in our young lives has been denied or severely limited to young people since March. And their futures remain uncertain.

Education, employment, freedom, forming and maintaining relationships. I could go on.

I think it’s a tragedy and they deserve credit.

282328 ▶▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to Ellis Bell, 2, #473 of 2452 🔗

Credit to those attending raves and parties maybe. And those on the beaches and demonstrations.

Most seem, as Nick says, to have drunk the kool aid.

283438 ▶▶ richard riewer, replying to nickbowes, #474 of 2452 🔗

Dancing cats and Angry Birds.

281839 Cecil B, replying to Cecil B, 14, #475 of 2452 🔗

Under this regime some days it’s difficult to work out what has gone down the memory hole

My memory is that weeks ago the plan was that the Lemsip injections were to be rolled out first to NHS workers and people in care homes

This has now morphed into people in care homes and health workers

By ‘health workers’ I suspect they mean people who work in Care Homes

Why do they not want to try it on with NHS workers?

Generally poorly educated, on zero hour contracts, care home workers will be easy to bully into compliance

How will the issue of ‘informed consent’ be dealt with for the inmates

Many have dementia, all by definition are vulnerable

The reality is that few will actually be able to give informed consent

I won’t be able to stop this mass murder

I will stand outside on the pavement with a lighted candle in solidarity with the victims

281871 ▶▶ Steve Martindale, replying to Cecil B, 3, #476 of 2452 🔗

When my Mum was in a care home my sister and I had power of attorney for health matters and they were very diligent to ask us about everything to do with Mum’s care. For residents where there is no Power of Attorney and the resident themselves are not capable then I think the local authority can take action. I would advise anyone going into a care home to ensure that your relatives have power of attorney for health matters.
However, it may be that some care homes make it a condition of residency that you are vaccinated.

282116 ▶▶▶ Victoria, replying to Steve Martindale, #477 of 2452 🔗

We all should have power of attorney ‘s id something happens to us

282194 ▶▶▶ steph, replying to Steve Martindale, 2, #478 of 2452 🔗

Well good luck chucking residents out who aren’t vaccinated. Also most care homes desperately need your fees and will practically bite your hand off if privately financing.

282122 ▶▶ Jonathan Palmer, replying to Cecil B, 1, #479 of 2452 🔗

They have gone from undercover Euthanasia to full on in less than a year.
Old frail people are going to be injected with an experimental substance for their own good.
Scary is an understatement.

282318 ▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to Jonathan Palmer, #480 of 2452 🔗

Old frail people are going to be injected with an experimental substance for their own good.

Good summary. We can get this out to as many people as possible.

281849 Dan L, replying to Dan L, 7, #481 of 2452 🔗

Surely (!) this will all be over soon but has the bar for introducing masks, lockdowns now been permanently lowered. The next bad flu season (or even every winter) they will say this is as bad as COVID-19 (the boogeyman) we must lockdown, put on masks etc…

281954 ▶▶ Country Mumkin, replying to Dan L, 4, #482 of 2452 🔗

They won’t release masks and distancing even when vaccinated… just in case!

281973 ▶▶▶ dhpaul, replying to Country Mumkin, 2, #483 of 2452 🔗

Agree, I have been saying this for months. Their perverted logic is why wouldn’t you do something that might prevent one death. Evil bastards

282100 ▶▶▶▶ Dan L, replying to dhpaul, 8, #484 of 2452 🔗

I’ve been a bit of a secret sceptic for a while, but I think previously I was of a view that it was a bit of an understandable panic and that I would just go along with it while it all blows over. But now I’m seriously worried this will never end and I’m trying to think what I can do stand up against it. It’s a bit of a work in progress. My initial steps are that I’ve written to my Labour MP a few times (about lockdown, PCR, and the latest tiers) and in the past couple of weeks I’m trying to take the mask off where it is mandated as much as possible. This last one is not easy for me as I find it quite stressful standing out from the crowd. I hate wearing the thing so I’m not happy either way.

282189 ▶▶▶▶▶ steph, replying to Dan L, 5, #485 of 2452 🔗

Very well done for taking those first steps. I remember how hard it was to go anywhere at first without a mask. Nobody has ever given me grief.

282312 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to steph, 3, #486 of 2452 🔗

Yep, once you try it a few times Dan, it feels natural again. It’s the others that ‘as the issues !

282545 ▶▶▶▶▶ Tom in Scotland, replying to Dan L, 4, #487 of 2452 🔗

I saw all this coming along back in March, which is why I was against the lockdown from the start (my politics/history background or simply too much sci-fi?). I feared that we would get into the winter season and people would either snap out of it, seeing that we’ve always had flu and other bugs that did, unfortunately, kill people – as has been the case forever, even though lots of people didn’t seem to notice – or we would see a permanent shift to the ‘precautionary principle’ and constant overreaction. I wanted to think common sense would eventually prevail, perhaps because economic catastrophe would push the idiots in that direction, but now it’s fairly clear that many people, the true ‘Covidians’, have not snapped out of it. We are on course for a major conflict, I fear. I think governments are trying to deprogram people with the magic vaccine – hence the unethical and unsafe rush to release it quickly – but this might not be enough. I also suspect that (formerly democratic) governments rather like the control they have over the public. It’s a nightmare we can’t wake up from and I fear for the future.

281855 steve_w, replying to steve_w, 15, #488 of 2452 🔗

I really hope the vaccine is fine and that they vaccinate enough volunteers to give the effect they want

I have a bad feeling about it though which I hope doesn’t come true

Rushed, novel vaccine, mass immunisation for a relatively mild disease. When the next nasty cold comes round will they lock us down and turbo-charge a new vaccine program? It will end in tears at some point or another

281865 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to steve_w, 4, #489 of 2452 🔗

It’s a business model.

281869 ▶▶▶ steve_w, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 4, #490 of 2452 🔗

It is. I think smallpox eradication and some of the other vaccinations have been an incredible success. To then try and use that for every sniffle that comes round seems a little reckless.

281877 ▶▶▶▶ IanE, replying to steve_w, 2, #491 of 2452 🔗

A ‘little’?

281876 ▶▶ Cecil B, replying to steve_w, 1, #492 of 2452 🔗

By any definition known to man or woman it is not a vaccine so how can it be fine?

How can it produce ‘the effect they want (whatever that is)’ when it is not a vaccine

100 lines please ‘This is not a vaccine’

282829 ▶▶ Fiona Walker, replying to steve_w, 1, #493 of 2452 🔗

The sheeple on my snowflake troll forum are falling over themselves to volunteer for it, some even want every version!

281883 alw, replying to alw, 5, #494 of 2452 🔗

Torygraph unreadable today…. spouting government vaccine propaganda followed closely by the Daily Mail

281983 ▶▶ IanE, replying to alw, 1, #495 of 2452 🔗

Yes: it is simply staggering that we are being told how wonderful it is that the UK is rushing to use a totally novel type of vaccine with very limited (and short-term only) safety checks. This could make thalidomide look like a trip to Disneyland.

282016 ▶▶▶ JanMasarykMunich, replying to IanE, 3, #496 of 2452 🔗

Read some of the comments to articles in MSM CH press and CzR press on UK vaccine go-ahead yesterday. The majority tone is poor (or stupid) British guinea pigs; we will see how they get on…

281888 Ned of the Hills, 7, #497 of 2452 🔗

Ivor Cummins predicted weeks back in one of his videos that the mortality rate from Covid in the Irish Republic would average one per million, per day – that is five per day. Across the month of November the daily mortality rate in the Republic was 4.7.

He’s clearly much better at predicting than Messrs Whitty and Valance.

Does anyone know when that video I’m referring to was ‘published” ?

281893 Mahon, replying to Mahon, 42, #498 of 2452 🔗

‘Sceptics must be careful to avoid excessive application of the precautionary principle here. Of course, it hasn’t been definitively proved that the vaccine is safe. But then again, it can’t be proved, categorically, that it would be safe to end all Government-mandated restrictions tomorrow and we don’t regard that as a good reason not to do so. It’s about a balance of risk and we should apply that same calculus here.’

The problem with this comparison is the starting point. ‘No restrictions’ and ‘no vaccine’ is the correct starting point. The burden of proof is not on lockdown sceptics to show that removing restrictions will be entirely safe. It was on the government to prove they were necessary and effective – which it has never done. The burden of proof is also on the government to show that the vaccine is safe. This comment makes a false equivalency between concern for a vaccine and concern for lifting restrictions. The latter is a position we shouldn’t be in, because we are (or were) free individuals. It grants that the restrictions a legitimacy they do not deserve. Let’s not fall into that trap. Our attitude must remain ‘prove to me that restrictions are necessary’ and ‘prove to me that the vaccine is safe’. But so many have already ceded the ground and are trying to prove to the government that it’s safe to lift restrictions now that I fear it won’t be long before we find ourselves in the position of having to justify not getting a vaccine.

281979 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to Mahon, 6, #499 of 2452 🔗

This is where Dolans case should be given the go ahead. The government needs to be held to account and prove they acted in a way which is proportionate. And you’re right, the burden of proof is always on the sceptical side, which is totally at odds with how this should work.

Lockdowns work, prove me wrong. That kind of nonsense. Well no, this is a novel solution to an age old problem. You do the work please

282097 ▶▶ gina, replying to Mahon, 1, #500 of 2452 🔗

absolutely with you.

282131 ▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to Mahon, 1, #501 of 2452 🔗

Well said. 100% A1+

282221 ▶▶ Jo, replying to Mahon, 5, #502 of 2452 🔗

Absolutely. Quite a few years ago, Lucy Scott-Moncrieff won a mental health law case – the position before her case was that a Tribunal considering a detained patient’s case had to be satisfied that the patient was NOT suffering from a mental disorder, whilst Lucy’s case changed this so that the onus was on the Tribunal, when considering the evidence, to be satisfied that the patient was suffering from a mental disorder – so the burden of proof fell to the detaining authority. Simply put, Lucy argued that you cannot prove a negative, and so the law changed.

282510 ▶▶ Tom in Scotland, replying to Mahon, 1, #503 of 2452 🔗

Exactly. You’ve explained it very well. It’s hard to believe we are in this situation.

281899 Ben, replying to Ben, 36, #504 of 2452 🔗
281950 ▶▶ Country Mumkin, replying to Ben, 6, #505 of 2452 🔗

Terrible ☹️

281953 ▶▶ Cecil B, replying to Ben, 5, #506 of 2452 🔗

Oh come on, they are going to camps in the East where there will be work and milk and honey for everyone

No one means them any harm

(Has Matnav established a support system in Argentina yet?)

281961 ▶▶ Sam Vimes, replying to Ben, 7, #507 of 2452 🔗

Wonder if he will meet with as much opprobrium as Katie Hopkins did when she mentioned “a final solution”, which of course, was nothing to do with ‘The Final Solution’.

281962 ▶▶ mjr, replying to Ben, 5, #508 of 2452 🔗

the train now approaching ……………….

281968 ▶▶ IanE, replying to Ben, 13, #509 of 2452 🔗

Vaccine Macht Frei!

282163 ▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to IanE, 1, #510 of 2452 🔗

On tens of thousands of t-shirts !

282004 ▶▶ JanMasarykMunich, replying to Ben, 6, #511 of 2452 🔗

God Almighty. Truly, words fail me.

282233 ▶▶ Jo, replying to Ben, 4, #512 of 2452 🔗

I heard it! I was saying, what the fuck is he talking about and my partner said “yeah, the train to Auschwitz”

283124 ▶▶ Two-Six, replying to Ben, 3, #513 of 2452 🔗

Van Tam also said that the authorities could enter private homes and remove “infected” children didn’t he?

This guys is pure evil

281901 Bill h, replying to Bill h, 12, #514 of 2452 🔗

Yeadon just gave a powerful but measured interview with JHB.

Covered the main points very effectively. At pains to stress he is not Anti Vax.

282118 ▶▶ Salopian, replying to Bill h, 1, #515 of 2452 🔗

Talk radio much better today..euphoria wearing off
JHB noted Yeadon proved correct eg on T cells
can’t think why Witless etc won’t debate with him

281907 arfurmo, replying to arfurmo, 4, #516 of 2452 🔗

A couple of Telegraph letters today

SIR – The imminent deployment of vaccines demonstrates that the Prime Minister was absolutely correct in trying to keep everyone safe until this moment arrived.
His detractors should now hang their heads in shame

SIR – I hope this Government is going to issue certificates of vaccination in some form, which can be shown when required (at care homes, at places of entertainment, for flights). If they do not, lots of local arguments will ensue.

Aaaargh

281918 ▶▶ thedarkhorse, replying to arfurmo, 18, #517 of 2452 🔗

77th brigade. Ignore.

281921 ▶▶ Bill h, replying to arfurmo, 6, #518 of 2452 🔗

The initial campaign will be the heaviest. It will be difficult to sustain.

Offering alternatives right now could be like swimming against a rip tide. Wastes energy. Drift to the side, then swim in at another point.

A couple of days from now should be more effective, as the evidence (or lack thereof) around the new vaccine emerges.

281932 ▶▶ PatrickF, replying to arfurmo, 11, #519 of 2452 🔗

Both letters were signed Colonel Bollox (retired) Moralhighground.

281939 ▶▶ Lockdown_Lunacy, replying to arfurmo, 4, #520 of 2452 🔗

The second one is particularly weak. Lots of ‘local arguments’ will defiinitely ensue if they try to open this pandora’s box.

282038 ▶▶ thinkaboutit, replying to arfurmo, 3, #521 of 2452 🔗

When Trash & Trace was introduced they had a similar campaign. Everytime I used my phone I got a T&T app reminder. After a couple of weeks the advertising budget ran out and it has sunk without trace. The same thing might happen here.

282064 ▶▶ Borisbullshit, replying to arfurmo, 3, #522 of 2452 🔗

There is no hope for these morons….yes the prime minister was correct to wreck the country while we wait for a vaccine that few people even need. Now I remember why I stopped buying the Telegraph years ago.

281910 Fingerache Philip., replying to Fingerache Philip., 2, #523 of 2452 🔗

Covid will be with us forever, says an expert;err, that’s why it’s no 19.

281934 ▶▶ Charlie Blue, replying to Fingerache Philip., 3, #524 of 2452 🔗

Of course it will. But the 19 refers to 2019, not the 19th version.

282089 ▶▶▶ Fingerache Philip., replying to Charlie Blue, #525 of 2452 🔗

Of course, and there will be 20,21,22, ad infinitum.

281911 Londo Mollari, replying to Londo Mollari, 6, #526 of 2452 🔗

Does anyone know why LS is repeating the false statement that the UK is the first country in the world to approve a Covid vaccine? Is Russia not in this world? They are rolling out their vaccination programme next week and it is voluntary.

281929 ▶▶ Bill h, replying to Londo Mollari, 1, #527 of 2452 🔗

Probably a ridiculous question, but has anyone seen any information on the effectiveness of the Russian vaccine ?

281960 ▶▶▶ Londo Mollari, replying to Bill h, 2, #528 of 2452 🔗

I believe that some was published at Sputnik News. I didn’t pay too much attention because I didn’t think it would ever affect me personally and it looked like a rushed job. I don’t start from the western position that it is rubbish because it is Russian. If the lunatics who run the West ever get their wish for a war with that nation I think that they will find that an over reliance on degrees in gender studies from woke universities will not cut the mustard.

282026 ▶▶▶▶ Bill h, replying to Londo Mollari, #529 of 2452 🔗

Thanks Londo.

I agree. I see the Ruskie shot is being trialled in India.

Cheers

282074 ▶▶▶▶▶ Londo Mollari, replying to Bill h, #530 of 2452 🔗

Here’s a report from The Highwire. Accusations of gross violations of ethics and safety protocols. https://thehighwire.com/videos/russian-defection-over-countrys-rushed-covid-vaccine/

281951 ▶▶ leggy, replying to Londo Mollari, 1, #531 of 2452 🔗

Could have sworn I saw a TV piece showing Chinese dutifully queuing up for their jabs a month or so ago too.

282146 ▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to leggy, 2, #532 of 2452 🔗

They were having their monthly salaries injected, I was told … ?

282245 ▶▶▶ Ceriain, replying to leggy, 1, #533 of 2452 🔗

You did.

281987 ▶▶ mjr, replying to Londo Mollari, #534 of 2452 🔗

review of internet indicates January roll out .. which i believe is later than december.. and also a fair degree of scepticism about how effective it might be

282068 ▶▶▶ Londo Mollari, replying to mjr, #535 of 2452 🔗
281920 Basics, replying to Basics, 2, #536 of 2452 🔗

https://healthandmoneynews.wordpress.com/2020/12/02/head-of-pfizer-research-covid-vaccine-is-female-sterilization/

“The vaccine contains a spike protein (see image) called syncytin-1, vital for the formation of human placenta in women. If the vaccine works so that we form an immune response AGAINST the spike protein, we are also training the female body to attack syncytin-1, which could lead to infertility in women of an unspecified duration.

“On December 1, 2020, the ex-Pfizer head of respiratory research Dr. Michael Yeadon and the lung specialist and former head of the public health department Dr. Wolfgang Wodarg filed an application with the EMA, the European Medicine Agency responsible for EU-wide drug approval, for the immediate suspension of all SARS CoV 2 vaccine studies, in particular the BioNtech/Pfizer study on BNT162b (EudraCT number 2020-002641-42).”

Read on at link.

281959 ▶▶ Cecil B, replying to Basics, 1, #537 of 2452 🔗

It is not a bloody vaccine

281970 ▶▶▶ Londo Mollari, replying to Cecil B, #538 of 2452 🔗

Listen to what Sir John Bell of SAGE says. Innocent slip of the tongue? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kAV7aZYrddE

282047 ▶▶▶▶ Jonathan Palmer, replying to Londo Mollari, #539 of 2452 🔗

Jeremy Hunt called the vaccine the virus last night on Peston

281933 swedenborg, replying to swedenborg, 8, #540 of 2452 🔗

Drosten’s paper was accepted within 24 hours by Euro Surveillance where he is on the editorial board. Drosten is also involved in the Biotech firm below.
Kevin McKernan’s twitter says it all. He also has today a complicated technically twitter thread discussing the shortcomings of Drosten’s methods.

https://twitter.com/Kevin_McKernan/status/1334385389516312577

“I normally would say this is a healthy competitive market. But when there is a 24 hour review and the authors fail to point out they are involved in testing labs who generate more revenue from higher positivity due to contact map testing chain reactions..”.

https://www.laborberlin.com/fachbereiche/virologie/

281948 ▶▶ leggy, replying to swedenborg, 4, #541 of 2452 🔗

It all utterly stinks. I hope we see Drosten in a court soon.

281976 ▶▶▶ JanMasarykMunich, replying to leggy, 5, #542 of 2452 🔗

Absolutely, Drosten is criminal-in-chief.

281940 steve_w, 8, #543 of 2452 🔗

I’m not taking something that’s been tested on animals

And there’s no fucking way I’m taking something that hasn’t even been tested on animals

281943 Ross Hendry, replying to Ross Hendry, 10, #544 of 2452 🔗

By all means let those who haven’t taken good care of their health. have a poor diet and generally have a compromised immune system take the vaccine, thereby further weakening their natural defences. These are generally people who are disdainful of healthy foods and supplements, and queue at their GP’s surgery when they have the slightest sniffle; for them health is never their responsibility.

The rest of us can carry on being mindful of our well-being and forego outside intervention whenever possible.

281957 ▶▶ Cecil B, replying to Ross Hendry, #545 of 2452 🔗

Stop calling it a bloody vaccine, it is not

281975 ▶▶ Sam Vimes, replying to Ross Hendry, 4, #546 of 2452 🔗

Time to dust this one off again: “If you are willing to take the vaccine, you must have a little prick”.

281985 ▶▶▶ Ross Hendry, replying to Sam Vimes, #547 of 2452 🔗

So true!

281956 Jonathan Smith, replying to Jonathan Smith, 1, #548 of 2452 🔗

Re vaccines & pathogenic priming. Crucial data from animal studies is omitted:

https://www.instagram.com/tv/CIQ1J16A_9X/?igshid=c8u3ny9ptu5h

281984 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to Jonathan Smith, 1, #549 of 2452 🔗

They skipped the animal testing correct? Phase 4 Trials is what they are doing now.

281964 Adam, 1, #550 of 2452 🔗

Though I don’t believe in conspiracy theories this rushing of approval from regulators has Johnson and Hancock finger prints all over it as long as these two dumbo’s are in positions of power the UK will recover much slower the Conservative party mp’s need to develop a backbone and remove these criminals

281971 Arnie, replying to Arnie, 17, #551 of 2452 🔗

I don’t get afraid very often. I’m an old soldier & I’ve been around the block a bit.

This morning I have read ‘we don’t think the vaccine will completely sterilise the population, maybe about 60 or 70%’ from about ten different professor or suchlike.

I see the article where Mike Yearden (not sure if the right spelling) saying that the protein spike is very likely to stop a placenta growing in a pregnant lady. They are not sure how long this ‘effect’ might last.

Er.

I have female children. Do any of the women out there know this information?

Might it be a little bit pertinent to inform people of this, ahem, potential ‘side effect’?…

Deliberate? You bet!

Arnie.

281996 ▶▶ Charlie Blue, replying to Arnie, 4, #552 of 2452 🔗

Where did you read the 60 or 70% Arnie?

282008 ▶▶▶ Arnie, replying to Charlie Blue, 3, #553 of 2452 🔗

I’ve lost the links but I just saw it on Julia Hartley Brewers (sorry if the name of wrong, you know who I mean) twitter thread. Last week I saw it on YouTube, that Klaus monster from Germany was being interviewed.

The chilling thing is they keep using the word ‘sterilised’ when the they could use ‘immunised’ or a hundred other different words.

Hope that helps… a bit anyway.

Arnie.

282093 ▶▶▶▶ Charlie Blue, replying to Arnie, 2, #554 of 2452 🔗

Thanks, Arnie. Yes, ‘sterilised’ means rendered infertile to me, which is how I read it in your post. It does help, thanks!

282082 ▶▶▶▶ Arnie, replying to Londo Mollari, 2, #556 of 2452 🔗

Thank you Londo!

282137 ▶▶▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to Arnie, 1, #557 of 2452 🔗
282296 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Arnie, replying to JohnB, 1, #558 of 2452 🔗

Thank you John.

281981 Richard O, replying to Richard O, 27, #559 of 2452 🔗

This needs to be stated repeatedly. The safety or efficacy of the vaccine is utterly irrelevant. Anyone who submits to it based on the vile propaganda being vomited from government and MSM has surrendered their bodily autonomy, and thereby all their freedoms, to the state in perpetuity. That anyone is even conceiving of arguing one way or the other is a sign that we are at the gates of hell, and rushing headlong through them into the abyss.

281997 ▶▶ Crystal Decanter, replying to Richard O, 2, #560 of 2452 🔗

Find a Doctor that will certify you sans jab. Plenty round by me take bribes for prescriptions
Also any “certificate” will be hacked by 4chan within a morning session and up on ebay

281986 Matt Mounsey, replying to Matt Mounsey, 19, #561 of 2452 🔗

I can’t believe Lockdown Sceptics, with all the information it has had, is not calling for an uprising over this vaccine.

It is by definition, according to your own Mike Yeadon, an EXPERIMENTAL treatment for which blanket immunity has been given to the manufacturer. It is the first time an mRNA medicine has been approved for mass production. mRNA reprograms your cells like a computer. It is gene therapy. No longer is your body to be presented with a substance it reacts to in its own way, it’s to be programmed like the programmers know what they’re doing. All medicine will move to this type of gene therapy. It is an abomination.

Hancock has already said that businesses will exclude people that don’t have it. The “vaccine” contains a medical imaging enzyme that lights up under the skin and is able to be recognised by a smartphone app!

282015 ▶▶ Saved To Death, replying to Matt Mounsey, 17, #562 of 2452 🔗

Its also entirely unnecessary. This is evil and all those pushing it are evil.

282021 ▶▶▶ wendy, replying to Saved To Death, 8, #563 of 2452 🔗

Let’s hope there is a sufficient push back, no one here will be having it and there seems to be plenty of others not keen. I would be prepared to go to court before allow it.

282027 ▶▶▶▶ Matt Mounsey, replying to wendy, 15, #564 of 2452 🔗

I couldn’t care less what a court says. I would literally rather die than have this in my body.

282046 ▶▶▶▶▶ wendy, replying to Matt Mounsey, 3, #565 of 2452 🔗

Well yes, me too. But if it comes to us being forced we may need lawyers.

282087 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Matt Mounsey, replying to wendy, 1, #566 of 2452 🔗

What we need is a legal defense fund that quantifies all of the exclusions, discrimination and missed opportunities the businesses that participate in this passport scheme put us through.

We then need a lawsuit against all of them as a group. Then the evidence we have can be heard in court.

282115 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to wendy, 4, #567 of 2452 🔗

But if it comes to us being forced we may need lawyers.

Before lawyers come sharp things. Explosive things. Heavy things.

282017 ▶▶ wendy, replying to Matt Mounsey, 8, #568 of 2452 🔗

I guess we can say what we like down here, but perhaps the website might be accused of being anti vax if it doesn’t tread a careful line? I don’t know. It was my feeling on reading today’s update, it felt careful. After all Labour are calling for censorship of any vaccination misinformation. They could call for the website to be closed down. They can’t shut us up, but perhaps Toby will have to be careful.

282024 ▶▶▶ Matt Mounsey, replying to wendy, 10, #569 of 2452 🔗

GCHQ are using web technology developed during the War on Terror to attack any site that promotes “vaccine indecision”.

This is an attack on informed consent and it’s basically tearing up the Nuremberg Code so that we can all submit to gene therapy.

282043 ▶▶▶▶ wendy, replying to Matt Mounsey, 2, #570 of 2452 🔗

So this website will have to be very careful with its content. But we can say what we want, the website isn’t responsible for what people commenting say I suppose?

282051 ▶▶▶▶▶ Londo Mollari, replying to wendy, 1, #571 of 2452 🔗

I think Google ads and others delisted Zerohedge for a while because they had no moderation in their comments section.

282130 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to Londo Mollari, 2, #572 of 2452 🔗

Delisted by Google – the very shame. 🙂

282101 ▶▶▶▶▶ Matt Mounsey, replying to wendy, 5, #573 of 2452 🔗

I think we’re past the point where a website needs to be careful. We need these sites to stand up against a mass medical experiment that starts next week.

All the stuff that’s been said about lockdowns culminates in this. If they falter here there was no point in starting out in the first place.

282127 ▶▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to Matt Mounsey, #574 of 2452 🔗

Here is a helpful list of sites to visit and download now, perhaps – mercola.org

283967 ▶▶▶ richard riewer, replying to wendy, #575 of 2452 🔗

I had plenty of shots when I was growing up in California in the fifties and sixties and I don’t know how many when I was in the U.S. Army, training to go off to war in Vietnam. So don’t call me an anti-vaxxer. This Pfizer/Moderna vaccine smells and must be avoided at all costs.

282185 ▶▶ peter, replying to Matt Mounsey, 2, #576 of 2452 🔗

Because they are complicit in the covid hoax and have been since the beginning, hence attacking ‘conspiracy theorists’ relentlessly who in turn have been proved right.

Anyone got more info on this charlatan jonathan barr?

282201 ▶▶ Ben, replying to Matt Mounsey, 2, #577 of 2452 🔗

Perhaps Lockdown Sceptics is controlled opposition, which would makes them quisling traitors. Or perhaps they are sincere and appalled by the greatest scandal in human history

283966 ▶▶ richard riewer, replying to Matt Mounsey, #578 of 2452 🔗

Hancock is an evil man.

281988 Arnie, replying to Arnie, 3, #579 of 2452 🔗

The government changed the law last month in how they can impose a ‘vaccine’ in an emergency on to the whole population.

Does any have detailed info on this? Links, etc?

One more part of the campaign against the British people.

Arnie.

282023 ▶▶ Sam Vimes, replying to Arnie, 3, #580 of 2452 🔗
282036 ▶▶▶ Arnie, replying to Sam Vimes, #581 of 2452 🔗

Thank you Sam.

281991 Freecumbria, replying to Freecumbria, 11, #582 of 2452 🔗

The precautionary principle set out in today’s article is extraordinarily bad logic in my view. The new and completely untried technique of lockdowns is equivalent to assuming we can’t rely on our immune system. So rewording the principle set out in the article brings out the extent of the illogic. It seems to be saying

‘we should assume our immune system doesn’t work and that mRNA vaccines do work, until we have evidence that the immune system does work and that mRNA vaccines might have long term dangers

We have the whole of human history to tell us that the immune system works, to compare with the little we know about mRNA vaccines. We’ve seen previously much much worse pandemics come and go, brilliantly fought off by our immune systems that evolution and natural selection have honed so well. But we don’t even have a publicly available scientific paper for the Pfizer vaccine to determine even its short term affects.

282001 ▶▶ Matt Mounsey, replying to Freecumbria, 7, #583 of 2452 🔗

And this mRNA “vaccine” evades your immune system to directly program your cells. All previous vaccines present themselves to your immune system so it can overcome the virus.

I’m not touching this and I feel terrible for the poor souls that do.

282022 ▶▶▶ Freecumbria, replying to Matt Mounsey, 2, #584 of 2452 🔗

Exactly. If the Oxford vaccine (which doesn’t use new mRNA technology) hadn’t showed such potentially bad short term side affects, had shown good efficacy, and all the wrong dose nonsense hadn’t happened, and the pros and cons based on numbers needed to treat were made clear to individuals making the free choice on whether to take the vaccine, others might be able to make some sort of argument for it’s voluntary deployment.

But just how far away from that are we here!

282031 ▶▶▶▶ Will, replying to Freecumbria, 2, #585 of 2452 🔗

And the Swiss, EMA and FDA aren’t even close to allowing it yet. As I said yesterday, hopefully there is an Awkward Git with his FOI requests primed and ready to demonstrate uptake among the NHS guinea pigs.

282198 ▶▶▶▶▶ Freecumbria, replying to Will, #586 of 2452 🔗

Yes. Here’s an article on the Swiss decision (which seems to include the Pfizer vaccine)

https://www.swissinfo.ch/eng/incomplete-data-stalls-swiss-authorisation-of-covid-19-vaccines/46196598#.X8i0NKcsSjA.twitter

282033 ▶▶▶▶ Matt Mounsey, replying to Freecumbria, 2, #587 of 2452 🔗

The Oxford vaccine is still a modified viral vector. It still uses an adenovirus carrier to transfect your cells. Maybe just as bad. It shows we don’t have any hoe of informed consent in this.

282054 ▶▶▶▶▶ Freecumbria, replying to Matt Mounsey, #588 of 2452 🔗

Good point. What would informed consent even look like if something like the Oxford vaccine was deployed?

282113 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Matt Mounsey, replying to Freecumbria, 1, #589 of 2452 🔗

I don’t think you could say without a generations worth of testing and a neutral scientific media.

281994 Biker, replying to Biker, 8, #590 of 2452 🔗

Is any of this real? I must be dreaming, it’s the only thing that makes sense

282005 ▶▶ Borisbullshit, replying to Biker, 7, #591 of 2452 🔗

I woke up this morning and realised…..phew…… its all been a bad dream. The government has not really destroyed civilisation for a virus similar to seasonal flu. But then I came to properly………..

282103 ▶▶ JohnB, replying to Biker, #592 of 2452 🔗

Lucky you – most of my dreams are somewhat disordered these days. 🙂

282480 ▶▶ Tom in Scotland, replying to Biker, #593 of 2452 🔗

I’ve been wondering this for months! Unfortunately, I’m afraid that we’re fucked.

281998 Borisbullshit, replying to Borisbullshit, 6, #594 of 2452 🔗

I know it has been placed up here before but this is a fascinating piece of data analysis which shows how the virus has followed its natural path utterly regardless of what the government has done in terms of ‘controlling the virus’. It also shows that mask wearing may have increased deaths and also uses GPS data to show how lockdown 2 was a damp squib compared with lockdown 1. Ends with the chilling thought that govt policy may have caused up to 350,000 deaths over the next 5 years whilst saving perhaps none at all.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m121hAiREvc

282264 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to Borisbullshit, #595 of 2452 🔗

I did this for my own town after seeing the vdieo. Simple enough. Our epidemic phase was in October. Same trend. Mobility going up as soon as second lockdown annouced on Oct3rd. ‘Cases’ go down. Mobility up during the summer, no cases.

282804 ▶▶▶ Borisbullshit, replying to BeBopRockSteady, #596 of 2452 🔗

Cant beat a bit of local analysis.

282002 Cecil B, replying to Cecil B, 5, #597 of 2452 🔗

Murder in the Care Homes II

282009 ▶▶ leggy, replying to Cecil B, 5, #598 of 2452 🔗

Are we starting to see that again? I’ve a friend who works in bed capacity management for a large NHS University Hospital Trust, he told me a month or so again that they were under instruction to clear out beds again.

282019 ▶▶▶ Arnie, replying to leggy, 11, #599 of 2452 🔗

Yes they’ve already done that at my local hospital. Saw my consultant in Monday who is sympathetic to our cause. She said that the hospital is ‘unofficially’ on red alert but none of the staff are allowed to speak out about it or they will be sacked apparently.

She hinted that the management now have a system of constructively destroying a staff members career.

Brave lady for speaking as much to me. She trusts me & I won’t betray that. I passed on Isabell Oakshotts email address, Isabell is asking for NHS whistle blowers. I doubt she’ll make contact but you never know.

Arnie.

282007 kf99, 5, #600 of 2452 🔗

Another mention (posted late yesterday) for this excellent Professor John Lee interview and only 14 minutes – short and sharp.

282010 John Galt, replying to John Galt, 17, #601 of 2452 🔗

Sceptics must be careful to avoid excessive application of the precautionary principle here. Of course, it hasn’t been definitively proved that the vaccine is safe. But then again, it can’t be proved, categorically, that it would be safe to end all Government-mandated restrictions tomorrow and we don’t regard that as a good reason not to do so. It’s about a balance of risk and we should apply that same calculus here. Provided it is left entirely up to the individual about whether to take the vaccine or not, and no efforts are made to compel people to take it, either directly or indirectly, we welcome it.

Oh God, is this where the main updates jump the shark? Or is Jonathan Barr not indicative of Toby’s overall views? Or is it just an attempt to not get caught in the “antivaxx” category?

The vaccine is brand new technology that’s barely been tested.

https://imgur.com/a/ike7KpC

282028 ▶▶ Arnie, replying to John Galt, 3, #602 of 2452 🔗

And they skipped the testing on Animals bit too…

282125 ▶▶▶ TyRade, replying to Arnie, 1, #603 of 2452 🔗

could they try it on mink, if the guinea pigs are unwilling?

282071 ▶▶ Voz 0db, replying to John Galt, 1, #604 of 2452 🔗

Your bold phrase…

DON’T WORRY!

 TRUST THE EXPERTS and SCIENTISTS and DOCTORS and NURSES!

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282079 ▶▶▶ Arnie, replying to Voz 0db, #605 of 2452 🔗

I like it!

282098 ▶▶ JohnB, replying to John Galt, 2, #606 of 2452 🔗

Yep.

Sceptics must be careful to avoid excessive application of the precautionary principle here. Of course, it hasn’t been definitively proved that the vaccine is safe. … Provided it is left entirely up to the individual about whether to take the vaccine or not, and no efforts are made to compel people to take it, either directly or indirectly, we welcome it.

Just because it’s above the line doesn’t mean it isn’t total wank.

282011 John, replying to John, 8, #607 of 2452 🔗

It’s sad to see so many turn pikes peddling the vaccine hype.
Problem – Reaction – Solution
In less than 8 months they are heading to the place they planned on going from the start.
If not, how come every step of the way the tin foil hatters were right?
Are we all soothsayers?
James Corbett has discussed this Global Technocracy for years and they’re now not even bothered if we can second guess them.
I’m not sure what happens now.
Is it checkmate?

282025 ▶▶ Jonathan Palmer, replying to John, 9, #608 of 2452 🔗

Not quite yet but close.Vaccine tied to health passport is the goal.When the inevitable economic collapse occurs they can usher in the digital
Currency they are already planning.That is check mate.They can stifle dissent before it starts.

282190 ▶▶▶ Ben, replying to Jonathan Palmer, 3, #609 of 2452 🔗

I’d rather die than live in that world of government control, surveillance, poverty, vaccines, QR codes, immunity passports, dependence on the whim of the powerful.

It’s not just a vaccine – it’s the plantation owner branding his slaves

282259 ▶▶▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to Ben, #610 of 2452 🔗

People will eat it up. The message will be stay home to save the next generation. Its a big club, and we ain’t in it.

282012 Sir Patrick Vaccine, replying to Sir Patrick Vaccine, 2, #611 of 2452 🔗

Dear toby .
Risk Assessment On The New COVID-19 Vaccine
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qmU758F0BAA

282034 ▶▶ mjr, replying to Sir Patrick Vaccine, 1, #612 of 2452 🔗

interesting and sensible comments about self assessment of risk . Didnt know who the guy was so looked him up

282018 Victoria, replying to Victoria, 7, #613 of 2452 🔗

Reminder of the MISSING health message:

Our immune systems protect us from viruses, bacteria and other pathogens at all times – make sure that you optimise your immune system.

282184 ▶▶ Ben, replying to Victoria, 3, #614 of 2452 🔗

Exactly. Everything that keeps our immune system healthy has been banned by the Government. No immune boosting social contact. No breathing fresh air without a mask. No vitamin D from sunlight. No healthy diet. No exercise.

282020 Will, replying to Will, 8, #615 of 2452 🔗

Does anyone know of a reliable lawyer who would take on a fairly clear cut vaccine injury case? Thought I would get things rolling on my daughter’s MMR vaccine injury before the flood gates open.

282092 ▶▶ JohnB, replying to Will, 1, #616 of 2452 🔗

I would suggest contacting parents (probably they have formed groups) who have gone through the process, Will.

282108 ▶▶ Victoria, replying to Will, 1, #617 of 2452 🔗

No name sorry, but maybe some of these websites (and further links) might assist.

http://vaccineinjury.uk

http://jabs.org.uk – Support group for vaccine damaged children

Sadly, if a claim succeed against the Government (Pharma companies are not liable), you could get a one-off tax-free payment of £120,000. This is called a Vaccine Damage Payment.

Sadly, £120k is not much if such a person requires full-time care for a long time

https://www.gov.uk/vaccine-damage-payment
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Brain-Damaged UK Victims of Swine Flu Vaccine to Get £60 Million Compensation

Following the swine flu outbreak of 2009, about 60 million people, most of them children, received the vaccine.

It was subsequently revealed that the vaccine, Pandemrix, can cause narcolepsy and cataplexy in about one in 16,000 people, and many more are expected to come forward with the symptoms.

Across Europe, more than 800 children are so far known to have been made ill by the vaccine.

https://www.ibtimes.co.uk/brain-damaged-uk-victims-swine-flu-vaccine-get-60-million-compensation-1438572 (2014)

282178 ▶▶ Ben, replying to Will, #618 of 2452 🔗

If the vaccine’s manufacturer has been indemnified, there’s nothing you can do

283127 ▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to Ben, #619 of 2452 🔗

Don’t know for certain, but I think the government scheme is still available.

282029 Victoria, replying to Victoria, 12, #620 of 2452 🔗

Keir Starmer: We need a plan to save retail jobs

Says the man that voted to close the businesses that employed them

https://twitter.com/simondolan/status/1334142848380399617

282276 ▶▶ Ceriain, replying to Victoria, 3, #621 of 2452 🔗

I’ve had several conversations with Labour voters (real ones, not the Islington Set) who are totally bewildered that their party, a Labour Party, any Labour Party, could vote to close down businesses and destroy jobs.

282030 Adam, #622 of 2452 🔗

We have to get rid of this authoritarian government and keep out Labour as Starmer has proved himself as a sychophantic Red Tory rat if the British people got off their fat backsides and demanded real change for Britain, such as a Written constitution and a federal republic similar to the German system where our head of state is democratically re-elected or removed every 4 years https://www.saveourrights.uk

282037 Voz 0db, 3, #623 of 2452 🔗

THE HERD is tired of waiting in line for the miracle jab!

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282039 Liz F, replying to Liz F, 8, #624 of 2452 🔗

As I keep hearing about Bill Gates and his 2030 agenda I thought I’d try to find out more. A search on Google for ‘Bill Gates 2030 Agenda’ revealed numerous websites bigging up his efforts in “Setting targets to save lives”. The WE Forum website has an article from 2017 on “Bill Gates’ 7 predictions for our future”: https://www.weforum.org/agenda/2017/05/bill-gates-is-pretty-good-at-predicting-the-future-this-is-what-he-thinks-will-happen-next1 .

It includes the following: “In February, Bill Gates remarked at a conference in Munich, Germany that one of the biggest threats to global health is an airborne pathogen deployed by bioterrorists. It could be a synthetic smallpox virus or a super-flu that is far deadlier than normal strains. Epidemiologists “say there is a reasonable probability the world will experience such an outbreak in the next 10-15 years,” Gates noted. In just a year, the right bug could wipe out 33 million people. For this reason, Gates and his foundation have made widespread vaccination one of their top priorities around the world.” Lo and behold, three years later…

The website Resilience.org has their own take on Gates’ philanthropic efforts: “Gates has created global alliances to impose top-down analysis and prescriptions for health problems. He gives money to define the problems, and then he uses his influence and money to impose the solutions. And in the process, he gets richer. His ‘funding’ results in an erasure of democracy and biodiversity of nature and culture.” I try to keep an open mind but it’s an argument I find difficult to ignore. Here’s a link to the whole article: https://www.resilience.org/stories/2020-09-23/bill-gates-global-agenda-and-how-we-can-resist-his-war-on-life/

282073 ▶▶ Country Mumkin, replying to Liz F, 13, #625 of 2452 🔗

I only started researching outside of the mainstream media in March and now I can see a parallel world. The MSM and those that follow it as a truth, live in a controlled environment with a highly structured narrative.

Those of us who explore other sources of information find out other things. You need to cross reference and keep a good objective mind, but what you come across is truly eye watering.

I’ve come to the conclusion that we have for a long time been enchained by globalist self-serving endeavours.

I now listen to the BBC to see what ideology is being seeded. Hence my post yesterday re Mark Carney on yesterday’s R4 Reith lecture.

Here’s my prediction for our economic woes … debt shaming will start soon and eventually governments will say yeah, let’s just wipe all the debt collectively!

282107 ▶▶▶ Liz F, replying to Country Mumkin, 2, #626 of 2452 🔗

Absolutely. I also monitor the BBC news website, though it pains me to do so, just to see where they are heading. Particularly annoying is the section on the website headed “What you need to know”. In other words, it’s ok people, you don’t need to think for yourselves, just let Auntie do it for you. I’ve spoken to people who have swallowed all the scare-mongering propaganda, one chap memorably saying “Just stay indoors, it really is that simple”. And if you don’t bother to explore other sources, I guess it really is that simple. Too simple.

282121 ▶▶▶▶ NorthumbrianNomad, replying to Liz F, 2, #627 of 2452 🔗

Whenever anyone say “it really is that simple,” they are talking about their own cognitive faculty.

282475 ▶▶▶▶▶ Tom in Scotland, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, #628 of 2452 🔗

Exactly!

282175 ▶▶ Ben, replying to Liz F, 1, #629 of 2452 🔗

Bill Gates has moved his Mafia-style Microsoft business model to humans. We need his endless vaccine boosters (updates) to stay safe

283969 ▶▶▶ richard riewer, replying to Ben, #630 of 2452 🔗

Microsoft is well known for its security leaks and endless security patches. I imagine that Gates’s vaccines will probably follow the same pattern. No thanks!

282041 Bill h, replying to Bill h, 7, #631 of 2452 🔗

Mike Graham in a wonderful opening rant on his Talk Radio show.

Full on scepticism.

Should be a good show !

282161 ▶▶ CGL, replying to Bill h, #632 of 2452 🔗

What even about vax? They normally love the masks and the SD too.

282045 Victoria, replying to Victoria, 24, #634 of 2452 🔗

For the record,I am not ‘anti vaxx’. I am pro choice

The CV vaccines have not been sufficiently tested as to their long terms side effects,and the mRNA ones (Pfizer inc) are using technology never before approved

Any media outlet that tries to label me antivaxx will be sued

https://twitter.com/simondolan/status/1334427202222485504

282050 ▶▶ Ben, replying to Victoria, 7, #635 of 2452 🔗

How can it be a *choice* when the UK Government is threatening to turn those who refuse the vaccination into second class citizens?

282065 ▶▶▶ Voz 0db, replying to Ben, 2, #636 of 2452 🔗

Slaves can choose being “2nd class slaves” or “1st class slaves”!

Just pick the colour you like…

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282070 ▶▶ mattghg, replying to Victoria, 4, #637 of 2452 🔗

That’s it, Simon! Get on the front foot!

282099 ▶▶ Lockdown_Lunacy, replying to Victoria, 7, #638 of 2452 🔗

He’s echoing exactly how I feel. I find it quite frustrating that it is implied that I’m ‘anti-vaxx’, even by some people generally on our side of the argument with regards to lockdowns.

I’m *not* anti vaccine. I would not take a blanket position like that when it is clear that many vaccines are beneficial. I don’t think many people take that position.

I am quite apprehensive about the COVID-19 vaccines as there are serious questions to be asked about their long term effects, which have not been studied. I also question whether being vaccinated against COVID-19 would be beneficial for the vast majority of us, when weighed up against the potential costs.

282102 ▶▶▶ Will, replying to Lockdown_Lunacy, 2, #639 of 2452 🔗

That is where I am. I would actually be quite happy to be exposed to the virus to develop my immunity naturally but I strongly suspect that has already happened anyway.

282188 ▶▶ Bella Donna, replying to Victoria, #640 of 2452 🔗

Go get’em Simon!

282048 Ben, replying to Ben, 9, #641 of 2452 🔗

Almost 700,000 have been driven into poverty by LOCKDOWN

https://twitter.com/OffGuardian0/status/1333475663165186052?s=20

282059 ▶▶ Voz 0db, replying to Ben, 4, #642 of 2452 🔗

That is one of the Tools that THEY are counting on to increase the number of SILENT DEATHS during 2020-2030…

This entire OPERATION was, and still is, a HUGE SUCCESS.

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282067 ▶▶ leggy, replying to Ben, 3, #643 of 2452 🔗

Tip of the iceberg.

282112 ▶▶ Darryl, replying to Ben, 1, #644 of 2452 🔗

Yet house price apparently hit a record high this week. Talk about a two tier society.

282215 ▶▶▶ leggy, replying to Darryl, #645 of 2452 🔗

The negative equity burden that’s going to hit mortgagees buying now is going to be horrendous.

282052 Victoria, 1, #646 of 2452 🔗

The #Covid19 response in many countries has been blanket #lockdowns . Collateral harms of this are far reaching. A new UK organisation, http:// collateralglobal.org has built a database evidence based studies and documents.Please support @collateralglbl
to highlight the #totalharms .

https://collateralglobal.org

282053 Liz F, replying to Liz F, 9, #647 of 2452 🔗

Daily Mail front page has a photo of an elderly gent hugging his daughter at his care home for the first time since February. So what was the point of depriving care home residents of physical contact with their loved ones for the last 10 months?

282056 ▶▶ Victoria, replying to Liz F, 10, #648 of 2452 🔗

Torture! because they can

282060 Major Panic, replying to Major Panic, 11, #649 of 2452 🔗

An ‘expert’ has been on the news this morning claiming that the vaccine will not be able to be given to nursing home residents/staff because it needs to be stored at -70 degrees C. And that they may need to wait for a vaccine that doesn’t need so cold storage.

I find it hard to believe that mobile cold storage is really so difficult…. so does make me wonder….

Are they worried that the side effects of the Pfizer vaccine could be too severe for the frail and vulnerable elderly it is designed to ‘save’ – and cause problematic news headlines?

282069 ▶▶ mattghg, replying to Major Panic, 5, #650 of 2452 🔗

I read elsewhere that it needs to be stored at minus 70 but that it could be kept in normal refrigeration for up to a week before being used. I mean, think about it: they’re not going to inject a liquid at minus 70 into anyone’s arm … if they did, the rate of serious adverse reactions would be 100%!

282212 ▶▶▶ Ellis Bell, replying to mattghg, 5, #651 of 2452 🔗

My doctor friend tells me they need to be thawed and then can only be stored for 5 days.

They also need to be drawn by a healthcare professional (unlike most jabs that are already pre-loaded). Healthcare professional also needs to do the initial consultation with each patient. The patients also need to hang about for 15 minutes to see if they have adverse reactions.

Logistics will be a nightmare!

And the vast majority of GP surgeries will be effectively inaccessible for anything because all the docs will be out a-vaccinating.

282324 ▶▶▶▶ penelope pitstop, replying to Ellis Bell, 2, #652 of 2452 🔗

re adverse reactions – i think it’s time to brush up on the amateur dramatics and writhe on the floor screaming … imagine the other victims waiting for their special jab!! 🙂
You don’t need to wait for other jabs – this doesn’t fill me with any confidence at all!! Just as well i’m not going to have it until life becomes impossible without it but hopefully a year or more away and see how the previous victims respond.

282076 ▶▶ tonyspurs, replying to Major Panic, 4, #653 of 2452 🔗

More likely going to be used to coerce the majority into getting vaccinated to protect Granny

282096 ▶▶▶ Major Panic, replying to tonyspurs, 2, #654 of 2452 🔗

totally agree, but my point was that ‘they’ are concerned about adverse reactions in very elderly frail people.

282105 ▶▶▶▶ Major Panic, replying to Major Panic, 2, #655 of 2452 🔗

wouldn’t do the ‘vaccine is safe’ propaganda much good if lots of frail elderly suffer severe reactions in first few weeks…./

282162 ▶▶▶▶▶ Ben, replying to Major Panic, 3, #656 of 2452 🔗

If you follow Michael Yeadon (ex Pfizer Vice President) you’ll see he’s co-authored with Dr Wolfgang Wodarg a piece about the safety aspects

282292 ▶▶▶▶ Ceriain, replying to Major Panic, 1, #657 of 2452 🔗

They didn’t appear to be concerned about harm to the elderly frail when they kicked tens of thousands of them out of hospitals in March.

282302 ▶▶▶ Ceriain, replying to tonyspurs, #658 of 2452 🔗

It’s a good thought, Tony.

Boris Wiff-waff at an emergency presser:

“Look chaps, we can’t give the vax to grannies, but the boffins at SAGE have thought up a new jolly wheeze. To save grannies everywhere, we will now force vaccinate everyone UNDER 50.”

282077 ▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Major Panic, 4, #659 of 2452 🔗

Was that the Today Programme?
The interviewer asked whether the vaccine would prevent infection.
Using several medico-clinical phrases the Expert said no but I only understood that because I already knew the answer.
The conversation rapidly moved on.

282080 ▶▶▶ karenovirus, replying to karenovirus, #660 of 2452 🔗

Hancock said 2 days at temperatures higher than -70% ie normal refrigeration but then he’s not a technician.

282088 ▶▶▶ Major Panic, replying to karenovirus, 1, #661 of 2452 🔗

i heard it on talk radios news (from sky i think)
(today prog sounds too BBCish for my health)

282083 ▶▶ Tyneside Tigress, replying to Major Panic, 4, #662 of 2452 🔗

It needs experts to administer, not those who volunteered to be vaccinators. You have to be able to draw into a syringe prior to administering, then wait for 15 minutes to assess how the patient has responded. I would want a doctor or experienced nurse doing that.

282095 ▶▶▶ Major Panic, replying to Tyneside Tigress, 3, #663 of 2452 🔗

totally agree, but my point was that ‘they’ are concerned about adverse reactions in very elderly frail people.

282104 ▶▶▶▶ Tyneside Tigress, replying to Major Panic, 4, #664 of 2452 🔗

Yes. If they are not, they certainly should be. US doctors have warned there needs to be a 1-2 day downtime after each dose because the side effects are significant enough for many people to need to be off work (a younger and healthier demographic). The US doctors have warned that many will not return for the second dose.

282343 ▶▶▶▶▶ Ceriain, replying to Tyneside Tigress, 2, #665 of 2452 🔗

The US doctors have warned that many will not return for the second dose.

Because they don’t want to go through the side effects again?

I wonder how many doctors think it’ll be because the person is dead.

282216 ▶▶▶ Ellis Bell, replying to Tyneside Tigress, 1, #666 of 2452 🔗

I’ve just posted similar. My friend’s a GP and most of them in the UK will be on the ground doing pre-consultations, drawing and administering the vaccine.

282149 ▶▶ Ben, replying to Major Panic, 3, #667 of 2452 🔗

They’re not concerned about the frail and the elderly. On the contrary. See care home deaths and the Liverpool Care Pathway.

282187 ▶▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Ben, 1, #668 of 2452 🔗

As Jello Biafra might have sung
‘Cull the poor’.
(Dead Kennedys).

282222 ▶▶▶▶ Templeton, replying to karenovirus, 1, #669 of 2452 🔗

I would take a Holiday in Cambodia right now as well.

283280 ▶▶▶▶▶ Two-Six, replying to Templeton, 1, #670 of 2452 🔗

It’s bedtime for democracy

282219 ▶▶▶ Major Panic, replying to Ben, 2, #671 of 2452 🔗

they may well not do but, if you can think about it, making the frail elderly severely ill with your vaccine is not a good sales policy if you want your product injected into the healthy population – who can currently chose not to have it

282206 ▶▶ Ellis Bell, replying to Major Panic, 4, #672 of 2452 🔗

I think they come in big batches (of about 900) which is fine for mass vaccination at hospitals and centres etc. but difficult for individual care homes.

I believe they’re asking for permission to split them into smaller batches so they can dish them out there.

282320 ▶▶▶ Major Panic, replying to Ellis Bell, #673 of 2452 🔗

Ah, OK – makes sense

282061 Arnie, replying to Arnie, 54, #674 of 2452 🔗

The egotistical, megalomaniac, psychopathic monsters doing this to us must be stopped.

By any means necessary.

We are not winning but we are gaining ground. At the start of the year it was less than one in ten of us. I was taken in, I clapped ffs!

Then the epidemic finished.

I opened my eyes.

We are now at 30-35%.

40% of medical staff said they wouldn’t take the vaccine recently.

All the newspapers, left and right are now publishing openly sceptical articles.

The government will, and are, getting nasty with this. They have no choice. They are a one trick pony.

We also have no choice; meekly accept slavery or fight for our freedoms. We might lose. It is certainly David vs Goliath.

But look what happened to Goliath…

We have our humanity on our side. That is so much stronger than you think. That is why they are so afraid of us.

Arnie.

282072 ▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Arnie, 12, #675 of 2452 🔗

Approving the Pfizer vaccine was a good trick

People say at the end of any given conversation
‘At least the vaccine is on its way’ as in the old olden days they would say ‘may the Lord be with you’ as a parting gambit.

282078 ▶▶▶ Arnie, replying to karenovirus, 10, #676 of 2452 🔗

Perhaps when they say the vaccine bit we should reply ‘may the Lord be with you’….

May of the people taking this false vaccine will need all the help they can get both divine and medical unfortunately.

Arnie.

283015 ▶▶▶▶ Ewan Duffy, replying to Arnie, 2, #677 of 2452 🔗

The “Lord” was conspicuous by his absence during the Holocaust – I can’t see him turning up in 2020/21 to protect people from their own stupidity.

282094 ▶▶▶ KBuchanan, replying to karenovirus, 17, #678 of 2452 🔗

Or the nauseating “stay safe” ugghhh. Well quite I’ll keep away from snipers , land mines and savage dogs in the Sainsbury car park then?

283376 ▶▶▶▶ RichardJames, replying to KBuchanan, 2, #679 of 2452 🔗

Great response, thank you!

282147 ▶▶ CGL, replying to Arnie, 7, #680 of 2452 🔗

Yes i clapped too – to my shame.

282170 ▶▶▶ Mark, replying to CGL, 7, #681 of 2452 🔗

“More rejoicing in Heaven”, etc, but I’m proud to say it was never even close, for me. When the clapping was going on I was on here with the other curmudgeons debating what kind of loud music would best drown out the seal-clapping chorus.

282191 ▶▶▶▶ JVS, replying to Mark, 14, #682 of 2452 🔗

I was totally clueless about the clapping. When my neighbour told me about clapping on that first Thursday, I asked what for? She said for the NHS. I said why? Didn’t join in ever, never worn a mask despite high anxiety levels, now its a case of no f’s given. Which is saying something for a goody 2 shoes scaredy cat!

282183 ▶▶ G.Fawkes, replying to Arnie, 6, #683 of 2452 🔗

I’ve been blessed by a distrust of govenment for some time. I blame Proudhon.

Just wait until you see how else you’ve been scammed elsewhere…. fiat currency, forever wars, fake two party state… Oh, you are in for a treat.

But remember, they’re all just ‘mad conspiracy theories’. Like this one.

And since you have landed on this side of the fence now (thanks btw, it is a genuine pleasure to have you), please, please take some time out to read one of the most important essays of our times:

https://ratical.org/ratville/CAH/warisaracket.html

282197 ▶▶▶ Ellis Bell, replying to G.Fawkes, 4, #684 of 2452 🔗

You’d think, with all that’s going on, people would be looking for the Wizard behind the curtain re: fiat currency.

Never ceases to amaze me, however, just how few people think about pretty much anything.

282237 ▶▶▶▶ G.Fawkes, replying to Ellis Bell, 3, #685 of 2452 🔗

People are lulled by security and comfort, and easily so. The gilded cage keeps the debt slaves happy with their lot. So happy infact, that they not only don’t question, but also attack anyone who threatens to disturb the status quo with their inconvinient truths. They are like Cypher in the Matrix, they prefer fake comfort and run away from the ‘desert of the real’ as Baudrillard called it. To many this would seem a sane choice. To others, madness.

It depends on how much value you place on your own sovereignty, integrity, courage. For some, these things are the least valuable of all. I often wonder if Aristotle was right about his most contraversial idea – that some humans are naturally slave-like (though not by race, as Aristotle had it). It probably makes some sort of evolutionary sense I suppose.

283152 ▶▶▶ Jez Hewitt, replying to G.Fawkes, 2, #686 of 2452 🔗

Please tell me they don’t really drink children’s blo… No, forget I mentioned it.

Nurse! Meds please! Actually, fuck it, jack me up!

282193 ▶▶ kf99, replying to Arnie, 5, #687 of 2452 🔗

Maybe in a year or two, there will be an inquiry and apologies and resignations and re-organisations. And we will be proved right. And many, many will say, “you know, I was sceptical all along”. But I won’t blame them for that. I will rejoice, and hope, that next time, they will see thing differently.

282251 ▶▶ kenadams, replying to Arnie, 5, #688 of 2452 🔗

Am I allowed to be smug here for a moment and say that on the day lockdown was introduced, I sent a whatsapp to a group of my friends saying ‘this is the way the world ends, not with a bang but a whimper’. 😉

282066 G.Fawkes, replying to G.Fawkes, 11, #689 of 2452 🔗

Welsh Government Says People Will Get ID Cards To Prove They’ve Been Vaccinated
https://www.zerohedge.com/political/welsh-government-says-people-will-get-id-cards-prove-theyve-been-vaccinated

The trial baloon for mandatory-but-not vax.

282075 ▶▶ Arnie, replying to G.Fawkes, 6, #690 of 2452 🔗

Ok, we need to get to copy these cards. I you that within a week you will be able to buy these on Ebay…

282084 ▶▶▶ mjr, replying to Arnie, 4, #691 of 2452 🔗

yes – i recall getting my daughter a fake driving licence via internet when she was 17 to use as ID to go into a pub with her 18year old schoolfriends .

282160 ▶▶▶▶ thinkaboutit, replying to mjr, 3, #692 of 2452 🔗

I remember going into a pub that had a ‘no one under 21’ policy with my daughter. She was of age, but commented ‘ This is the first time I’ve been in here legally’.

282177 ▶▶▶▶ karenovirus, replying to mjr, 1, #693 of 2452 🔗

That’s you nicked, supplying a False Instrument.

282141 ▶▶ Ben, replying to G.Fawkes, 5, #694 of 2452 🔗

Is Mark Drakeford a fascist?

282165 ▶▶▶ leggy, replying to Ben, 4, #695 of 2452 🔗

If he isn’t he’s doing a really great impression of one.

282167 ▶▶▶ RickH, replying to Ben, 5, #696 of 2452 🔗

Well – totalitarian. Let’s not quibble over the precise colour.

282173 ▶▶▶ G.Fawkes, replying to Ben, 5, #697 of 2452 🔗

Does the Pope shit in the woods?

282200 ▶▶▶▶ calchas, replying to G.Fawkes, 3, #698 of 2452 🔗

Are bears catholics?

282220 ▶▶▶▶▶ TheOriginalBlackPudding, replying to calchas, 1, #699 of 2452 🔗

More so than a marxist pope.

282279 ▶▶▶▶ Chris John, replying to G.Fawkes, 1, #700 of 2452 🔗

Does a Barbie doll have a plastic Hancock?

282081 Stuart, 11, #701 of 2452 🔗

Early adopters of the government’s mass vaccination programme should be aware that this is a two-dose treatment and that any side effects unfortunately experienced will be no excuse for failing to present for the second vaccination.

The authorities simply cannot allow half-vaccinated individuals to roam the streets and no side effects short of, or culminating in, death will be accepted as extenuating circumstances.

Second dose-hesitant vaccees are reminded that, in the case of their defalcation, the Uniformed Lockdown Enforcement will track them down and complete their treatment.

It should be noted that the government has invested heavily, if surreptitiously, in its Taserreich which is now in furious working order, as has been demonstrated in recent weeks.

Remember, one is good. Two is better.

282085 peter, replying to peter, 11, #702 of 2452 🔗

Jonathan Barr shilling for a ‘safe’ vaccine for a virus that doesn’t exist,what a complete fucking arsehole. LS taking the deception to another level.

282176 ▶▶ steph, replying to peter, 4, #703 of 2452 🔗

I think with all the threats they have to be careful lest they be shut down. We have no censorship below the line.

282207 ▶▶▶ Mark, replying to steph, 2, #704 of 2452 🔗

Fwiw, I doubt that’s the motivation. I think these are legitimate opinions, legitimately shared. Certainly as far as Toby’s concerned, and I assume the rest of the team share them, broadly.

An attempt to shut down the site on that kind of basis would play right into Toby’s hands, and he’s perfectly placed as the founder of the FSU to take them to the cleaners (politically) on it.

Granted, I’m sure Toby has concerns about basic “respectability”, but that’s a bit different. The fact is that Toby has never indicated any wider concern with vaccination, beyond those specific to this lockdown situation and the rushed, experimental, illiberal nature of this particular rollout. In that, he’s in line with many other LSers, myself included.

282262 ▶▶▶ peter, replying to steph, 1, #705 of 2452 🔗

I’d rather they shut down than facilitate the covid hoax

282293 ▶▶▶▶ Mark, replying to peter, 1, #706 of 2452 🔗

Toby doesn’t believe it’s a hoax (except in the sense of exaggerated panic and related dishonesty), or at any rate has never implied that he does.

282332 ▶▶▶▶▶ peter, replying to Mark, 1, #707 of 2452 🔗

That’s why he is a shill. His love for eugenics and sterilising the poor puts him hand in glove with those wanting to stick an untested vax in your arm to combat a virus that doesn’t exist.
The best way to control the opposition is to lead it.
Todays editorial should make it clear the 77th Brigade run this site now.

282365 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Mark, replying to peter, #708 of 2452 🔗

His love for eugenics and sterilising the poor

Looks like you aren’t averse to a bit of disingenuous smearing.

282090 Mark, replying to Mark, 20, #709 of 2452 🔗

Selective application of the supposed “precautionary principle” is correctly identified as a big problem.

We are led to believe it should apply to climate change (based entirely on modelling of the kind that was so disastrously wrong on the coronapanic), but it must never, ever be applied to the mass immigration experiment, or to lockdown, or to mass vacination with a new kind of vaccine.

Most likely the vaccines will cause some harm, but not much (unless you hold to the wilder hypotheses about the nature and intent of the vaccination drive), but it cannot be denied that there is the theoretical possibility at least of a genuine calamity. Much like the latest coronavirus. On the one hand, as implied above the line today, it’s just as fearmongeringly hysterical to scaremonger about the potential harm of the vaccines as it was to do the same about covid.

On the other, vaccine test protocols exist for a reason, and we must assume they were put in place for reasons discussed and agreed in calmer times, and because of the huge resources devoted to resisting them they should be regarded as the absolute minimum standards to be applied. No vaccine, least of all one involving new basic modes of operation, should be approved until its effects have been observed over a number of years. We should never cast the regulations aside based on a supposed “emergency” situation unless there absolutely is an emergency. And only the most deluded could still pretend that covid constitutes a real emergency (though clearly the harm caused by the panic response does).

So there is a sound basis for rejecting this vaccination operation, even without the moral outrage of coercion or manipulation into taking it.

The issue is whether highly charged fearmongering about potential consequences helps or hinders the cause of rejecting it. Clearly, scaremongering on the coronavirus massively enabled the imposition of lockdown, and continues to do so. But that was fearmongering with the resources of government, and with the media elites fully behind it. There is a risk that attempting to do the same in the other direction might go down well amongst the LS community but in wider society will just result in being discredited.

It’s a difficult situation, and there is no easy way out.

282138 ▶▶ Tyneside Tigress, replying to Mark, 3, #710 of 2452 🔗

Good post Mark. This is what the independent team asked to comment on the Oxford Vaccine Phase I/II study said (of course this was before the two pauses were announced):

‘when things are urgent, we must proceed cautiously. The success of COVID-19 vaccines hinges on community trust in vaccine sciences, which requires comprehensive and transparent evaluation of risk and honest communication of potential harms.’ (Naor Bar-Zeev and William J Moss, International Vaccine Access Center, Johns Hopkins Bloomberg School of Public Health, Lancet 2020, 396, pp. 448-449, 15 August 2020).

282253 ▶▶▶ Mark, replying to Tyneside Tigress, 2, #711 of 2452 🔗

One aspect that antivaxxers might enjoy is that there is the potential for a really through discrediting of the pharma/vaccine industry, that would make thalidomide look like a minor ripple.

If they roll out these vaccines worldwide, in response to a disease of (let’s put it diplomatically) limited consequence in itself, with a take-up in the hundreds of millions, and it has even a 0.01% risk of major and obvious consequences a couple of years down the line, that will be tens of thousands of cases. No way they could gloss over that, no matter how big their advertising and political spends are.

282275 ▶▶▶▶ Will, replying to Mark, #712 of 2452 🔗

As someone who is in favour of vaccination this scenario is the most frightening. Especially if a proper disease comes along that is actually more dangerous than the flu.

282358 ▶▶▶▶▶ Mark, replying to Will, #713 of 2452 🔗

As someone who is in favour of vaccination this scenario is the most frightening .”

You mean you are in favour of vaccination in general, in principle, or of vaccination in this case?

Especially if a proper disease comes along that is actually more dangerous than the flu .

Indeed. The little boys have cried wolf loud and long in response to this particular poodle.

282457 ▶▶▶▶▶ Tom in Scotland, replying to Will, 1, #714 of 2452 🔗

Yes, I fear that you may be right. I still can’t believe how badly rushed this is and can’t see how it can possibly be safe. There has not been proper testing, which usually takes years, so the testing is actually being done on the general population. It is the biggest breach of ethics I have ever seen. At my university, I have to complete a 20-page form just to apply for ethical approval to interview politicians who know exactly what the ‘risks’ are when dealing with academic or journalistic questioning. Then I wait for weeks, only to get asinine comments back from idiots who don’t know what they’re talking about and I need to make further changes and re-apply.

It’s almost unbelievable that something like this vaccine can be rushed through, with the potential to cause real damage to huge numbers of people, while trivial matters like interviewing politicians can take nearly as long to be approved! The world has gone mad.

Of course you are right about what happens if a much more serious pathogen comes along in a few years but public confidence in vaccines has been destroyed by what has the potential to cause big problems.

282091 Miss Owl, replying to Miss Owl, 10, #715 of 2452 🔗

If it comes to it and I really HAVE to have a vaccine in order to travel or do anything in the future, then I will take a vaccine – even if I have to pay for it – that has been approved for use by a country that actually gives a stuff about its citizens.

In effect, that means one approved by the Scandinavians.

282150 ▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Miss Owl, 3, #716 of 2452 🔗

BBC R4 Today Programme, a listener asked if, when her older partner gets the vax, will she be able to pay herself to have it at the same time.
The Expert sniggered while telling her she would have to wait her turn.
“Having the vaccine will not be determined by your ability to pay”.

282364 ▶▶▶ Ceriain, replying to karenovirus, #717 of 2452 🔗

“Having the vaccine will not be determined by your ability to pay”.

They said that about the Covid tests back in the Spring, yet the DM was full of stories of ‘celebs’ (Idris Elba, for one) who had paid 375 quid to get it done in Harley Street clinics.

282241 ▶▶ Dodderydude, replying to Miss Owl, 4, #718 of 2452 🔗

I do not see why this particular vaccine should lead to a vaccine ‘passport’. It cannot be justified. The Pfizer vaccine only purportedly ‘reduces’ any symptoms in infected individuals. It doesn’t prevent the individual from catching the virus and it doesn’t prevent them from spreading it. So in terms of being a risk to others, a vaccinated person still presents much the same risk as a non-vaccinated person.

282281 ▶▶▶ penelope pitstop, replying to Dodderydude, 4, #719 of 2452 🔗

indeed and especially if there are groups recommended not taking it e.g. women who are pregnant; and there must be all sorts of medical conditions that it’s not recommended to have the vaxx. So there will be a good number of people who ‘cannot’ have the vaxx – so what they going to do ban them from society??

282383 ▶▶ TheBluePill, replying to Miss Owl, #720 of 2452 🔗

I’ll be more than happy to pay a corrupt “vaccinator” to inject my vaccine dose down the toilet. Alternatively I’ll be finding a counterfeiter or technical forgery. Better start researching the dark web. Way to go government, turning law abiding citizens to criminals. Fuckwits.

282109 Basics, 10, #721 of 2452 🔗

https://collateralglobal.org/

A global repository of articles documenting collateral effects of the COVID-19 lockdown measures.

From the people behind the Great Barrington Declaration.

282114 chaos, replying to chaos, 8, #722 of 2452 🔗

What will they do when there is a real virus? What will they do when there is another mild cold virus like covid-19? Why is Boris still PM? Surely the conservative party know that they will unlikely win another election?

282375 ▶▶ Ceriain, replying to chaos, 2, #723 of 2452 🔗

What will they do when there is a real virus?

A regular discussion Mrs C and I have, chaos. Looking at the last 9 months of world governments basically ‘all over the place’ trying to deal with this ‘almost harmless’ one, I dread to think how they would cope with a real bad one.

Why is Boris still PM?

Because… Tories.

282119 Scotty87, replying to Scotty87, 17, #724 of 2452 🔗

Father Christmas ‘top of our list’ for Covid vaccine, says Jonathan Van-Tam.

That headline isn’t a joke. The naked brainwashing is just so disgusting on so many levels. I imagine bedwetting parents will delight in telling their impressionable children that “Santa is taking the magic medicine so he won’t bring the virus with him.”

Personally, I’ll be asking Father Christmas for an asteroid-related extinction event this year.

282139 ▶▶ calchas, replying to Scotty87, 3, #725 of 2452 🔗

Of course if the Wodard/Yeadon worry about the similarity of proteins between the SarsCov2 spikes and human placental tissue is substantiated, then Santa may finally retire in a few years, if vaccine take-up is across the board.

282268 ▶▶ penelope pitstop, replying to Scotty87, 2, #726 of 2452 🔗

will that be the Father Christmas the TSG arrested at the London peaceful protest (well peaceful by the participants but not by the police)??

282120 Tyneside Tigress, replying to Tyneside Tigress, 22, #727 of 2452 🔗

As Gavin Williamson sets out his plans for next year’s GCSE and A Level exams that will see our once leading education system, already suffering under a decade or more of dumbing down and woke-ism, decline to the standards of the third world, my quote of the day is under the following Telegraph article:

Rishi Sunak issues warning over mounting debt pile as he signals tax hikes on horizon (telegraph.co.uk)

‘The Tories are damned now whatever they do.
Eight months of repression and economic ruin over something even the WHO has now concluded is less dangerous to the under 70s than flu.
I voted for Johnson to take back control. I did not vote for a grotesquely incompetent public school clown and a bunch of sycophants to let rip against all the most basic civil liberties – including my right to earn a living.
If the Government wants to start putting right the economic catastrophe it has engineered it can begin by cancelling HS2. That’s £2,500 saved per man, woman and child at a stroke.’

This truly cannot go on any longer.

282135 ▶▶ Ben, replying to Tyneside Tigress, 8, #728 of 2452 🔗

The UK is occupied. Makes no difference who’s in government

282151 ▶▶ RickH, replying to Tyneside Tigress, 3, #729 of 2452 🔗

I voted for Johnson to take back control.”

… and that’s what you got. The warnings were there! No good being surprised now.

282195 ▶▶ James Marker, replying to Tyneside Tigress, 9, #730 of 2452 🔗

Johnson is essentially a weak man who has surrendered control to a clique of leftist public health officials. Consequently, the size of the state has increased massively, the magic money tree has been shaken to the point of bankruptcy, the private sector has been decimated and fundamental freedoms have been abolished. In short, this government is arguably the most authoritarian and socialist in decades. Deep down, I suspect Johnson realises he’s been sold a pup, but now it’s all about saving face. I certainly wouldn’t vote for Johnson again

282223 ▶▶▶ Mark, replying to James Marker, 2, #731 of 2452 🔗

Vote “Conservative” get red/green. Nothing really new here – Johnson just knew how to push the right buttons to give people hope he might be genuinely conservative. Now we know the truth, too late. Again.

So, next time? Vote “Conservative” again get red/green yet again, under a different name?

282440 ▶▶▶ Tom in Scotland, replying to James Marker, 1, #732 of 2452 🔗

Yes, you have very concisely pointed out what’s happened to this country. We’re screwed. To think that I went into the last election thinking that Jeremy Corbyn was the big danger!

282636 ▶▶▶▶ Mark, replying to Tom in Scotland, #733 of 2452 🔗

He’s still every bit the dangerous fool he was last year. Just because Johnson turned out to be a disaster doesn’t mean Corbyn’s idiocies retroactively make sense, after all.

If Corbyn had come out as a sceptic, or even as a slightly less fanatical panic-zealot than Johnson, you might have a point. But he didn’t. In fact Corbyn has been consistently on the side of pushing Johnson further in the direction of his panicking stupidity about this virus.

We’ve had a year of disastrous coronapanic stupidity. We could have had the same (or worse), as well as Corbyn’s personal nonsense.

282722 ▶▶▶▶▶ Tom in Scotland, replying to Mark, 1, #734 of 2452 🔗

Yes, I understand and I suspect that Corbyn as PM would have been even worse. I did not vote Labour. I was just saying that it’s interesting (and depressing) to see how things turned out with Labour losing.

282988 ▶▶ Ewan Duffy, replying to Tyneside Tigress, #735 of 2452 🔗

The Irish Minister of Finance has also issued a warning about the need for tax rises in the last few days.

282124 Charlie Blue, replying to Charlie Blue, 7, #736 of 2452 🔗

DT live feed:
“Asked about is disagreement with Boris Johnson last night – in which the Sage scientist appeared to suggest that face masks and social distancing could remain after the vaccine – he said: “Boris got it right, I don’t think I explained it properly.”
The deputy chief medical officer added that the vaccine roll out would not see an immediate lift of restrictions, but that his comments had been more about habits formed during the pandemic.
“Not that there will be rules for ever and a day – I certainly hope not – but maybe people will just choose to,” he added. ”

Well, I hope there is some truth in what he says. However, I think it’s true that many people would continue to engage in masochism and attack those of us who won’t for a long time to come.

282132 ▶▶ Ben, replying to Charlie Blue, 4, #737 of 2452 🔗

The WHO changed the definition of the word pandemic in 2009 after pressure from pharma companies

282155 ▶▶▶ RickH, replying to Ben, 7, #738 of 2452 🔗

… and where did the pressure on face masks come from?

282171 ▶▶ steph, replying to Charlie Blue, 3, #739 of 2452 🔗

Many people such as Van Tam, Whitty and Valance would want us to continue the habit. I sincerely hope that Johnson’s immediate mild slapping down show some he knows we will not do it. You never can tell with Johnson though.

282186 ▶▶▶ Charlie Blue, replying to steph, 1, #740 of 2452 🔗

Yes, I wasn’t sure whether he was genuinely troubled by the idea or he was simply thinking (unusually) about how the message would be received.

282172 ▶▶ Will, replying to Charlie Blue, 6, #741 of 2452 🔗

I am not going to be in a rush to take any vaccine because it is unnecessary for someone like me but I certainly won’t be taking one if I have to wear a mask afterwards.

282128 Ben, replying to Ben, 3, #742 of 2452 🔗

If I’m forced, against my will, to take the vaccine or face removal of my freedoms and civil liberties – then I want to receive the same vaccine taken by celebrities, media people, billionaires, civil servants and Matt Hancock

282133 ▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Ben, 1, #743 of 2452 🔗

Wot, no Facilitators! showing your age Ben.

282143 ▶▶ RickH, replying to Ben, 1, #744 of 2452 🔗

You’d never know.

282166 ▶▶ Saved To Death, replying to Ben, 3, #745 of 2452 🔗

If you take the vaccine because your a forced to your freedom is never coming back.

282136 Bella Donna, replying to Bella Donna, 18, #746 of 2452 🔗

First of all I am not against vaccination I’ve had all the usual jabs as a child. However I trust my immune system more than the government or its advisors as it has so far kept me safe. I have not had Covid nor the flu and I do not fear catching either!

282168 ▶▶ Will, replying to Bella Donna, 7, #747 of 2452 🔗

The chances are you have had covid but, because you have a robust immune system your T cells waved it off with so little bother you didn’t even notice.

282214 ▶▶▶ p02099003, replying to Will, 10, #748 of 2452 🔗

I agree. I would suggest that, despite protestations from SAGE et al, the vast majority of the population have been exposed to the virus, that a significant proportion have been infected with no symptoms. Thus we have community immunity and the vaccine is unnecessary.

283458 ▶▶▶▶ Two-Six, replying to p02099003, #749 of 2452 🔗

I was talking to a bloke today on the phone, he doesn’t do stuff on the internet just the BBC and CH4. He knows 59000 people have died from it and he know somebody who was 47 who died of IT, a footballer from Basingstoke perhaps? He was match fit and boom, dead I guess everybody know this guy who died. A local ledgend.

He was one of the unlucky 67 under 67 who fell due to the lurgy I said to the man.

He said he had it in March/April, sounding all alarmed, oh I said what happened there then? He said he have a terrible sore throat and a massive head ache, terrible, then the next day his temperature went RIGHT UP and he started getting a bit wheezy, no cough. then his temperature went back down again and he got better.

THEN he got bitten by a spider or something and he leg went all infected and he needed anti biotics, his doctor said he probably had the Rona and THAT’S why his leg swelled because his immune system was almost destroyed by the rona. He wasn’t tested mind you.

So I went through some real numbers, instantly I was one of them internet conspiracy theorists, he totally didn’t believe me when I said that only 3700 people died of IT who did not have any other things wrong with them. That everybody has a 99.7% chance of NOT dying from it.

I told him the BBC and channel four are lying all the time. Told him about the censorship, the 77th.

I pointed him towards this site right here. He said he might look.

At least he didn’t come round the other day with a face nappy on which is a start….

I also talked to some very normal people who weren’t at all into it all just totally sick of it. We had a good chat and she said she has learnt more in that conversation than she has learn’t in 6 moths. So that’s a result too.

282140 RickH, replying to RickH, 42, #750 of 2452 🔗

Sceptics must be careful to avoid excessive application of the precautionary principle here….. it can’t be proved, categorically, that it would be safe to end all Government-mandated restrictions tomorrow.”

What the f.???. Who is making such a Whitless parallel? If we had the same degree of evidence establishing the safety of the vaccine as we have in terms of the mountain of evidence showing ‘no effect’ for most government measures, we’d be in an entirely different ball-park.

Let’s look at the background of these vaccines :

  • Bought blind and in massive quantities by a government led by the most notorious liar ever to have held the office of PM
  • … by a government with massively compromising links to the pharmaceutical industry in terms of its official agencies, and advisors as well as politicians
  • … from a pharmaceutical industry that has been given indemnity for and failures of process or outcome, but with a background of notable failures in the field of safety.
  • … after massive psychological war that can be interpreted as having the key aim of frightening an incontinent population into accepting any garbage in order to get out of an untenable situation
  • … following a record of action that betrays supreme incompetence, even if interpreted generously as being in good faith
  • … for a virus that has none of the characteristics associated an ‘unprecedented’ emergency
  • … produced in a timescale that ludicrously shortens the established period for adequate testing, and has even been criticised by the European regulatory body
  • … introduces untried methodology within this rushed timescale.

That’s not about ‘the precautionary principle’ – it’s about the operation of the brain in a rational manner!

282234 ▶▶ RickH, replying to RickH, 20, #751 of 2452 🔗

Oh … and there’s another red flag that I left out :

  • frantic attempts by government to stifle open debate by labeling it ‘misinformation’ or ‘anti-vaxx conspiracy’.
282431 ▶▶ Tom in Scotland, replying to RickH, 5, #752 of 2452 🔗

If we applied the ‘precautionary principle’ to this extent for our other activities, we would determine that it would not be safe to get out of bed in the morning. The world has gone mad.

282144 Sarigan, replying to Sarigan, 8, #753 of 2452 🔗

Govt. under pressure to abolish quarantine after report shows it’s pretty pointless
A new joint report by the European aviation body EASA and the European Centre for Disease Prevention & Control argues that air travellers account for less than one percent of all detected Covid-19.

It also claims that travellers are not ‘high risk’ and they don’t significantly increase the rate of virus transmission.

282209 ▶▶ mhcp, replying to Sarigan, 2, #754 of 2452 🔗

The 737 MAX is being reintroduced in the US and Europe. Ryanair are getting in on the action (most probably due to a price reduction). So there is a political need to boost airline sales once again.

This “virus” has never been anymore of a threat than flu or other respiratory conditions.
This is a case of trying to say black is white.

To be frank it’s all a bit tiring when people’s economic futures are being pissed over.

282238 ▶▶▶ kenadams, replying to mhcp, 9, #755 of 2452 🔗

I’m more scared of flying in the 737 MAX than I am of Covid. By several orders of magnitude.

282417 ▶▶▶▶ Tom in Scotland, replying to kenadams, #756 of 2452 🔗

Exactly!

282289 ▶▶▶ Ben, replying to mhcp, 1, #757 of 2452 🔗

Didn’t that plane model crash twice because of a fault?

Humans really are expendable nothings to these corporations aren’t they. We are ants to be crushed underfoot

282420 ▶▶▶▶ Tom in Scotland, replying to Ben, #758 of 2452 🔗

Yup!

282472 ▶▶▶▶ Mabel Cow, replying to Ben, 3, #759 of 2452 🔗

Here’s what I remember about the 737 MAX-8 issue.

Changes to the engine positioning in that model of aircraft changed the flight characteristics and made the plane easier to stall.

As a countermeasure, the flight computer was programmed to detect situations where the attitude of the plane was likely to cause an imminent stall and then automatically tip down the nose of the plane to increase airspeed.

It appears the two aircraft that crashed had problems with the attitude sensor and that caused the flight computer to force them into an unnecessary dive.

The situation was made much worse by Boeing’s decision to “hide” the changes from the pilots. They did this to prevent pilots from having to re-certify against the updated flight instruction manual. This meant that the pilots were not immediately aware of why the plane was diving and so could not disengage the feature in time to prevent the crashes.

282582 ▶▶▶▶▶ Ben, replying to Mabel Cow, #760 of 2452 🔗

Boeing’s bosses should be behind bars

283488 ▶▶▶▶▶ Two-Six, replying to Mabel Cow, #761 of 2452 🔗

That’s exactly what happened. If the pilots were warned and re-trained then they would have seen the problem and reacted to it properly. The planes would not have crashed but the changes were signed off by against the wished of many people in Boeing. I am sure I have heard that there were huge safety concerns raised by insiders and quashed in order to make the upgrades seem financially appealing to the airlines so they could avoid re-training costs. The aircraft being sold as a simple upgrade and just the same as the other version.

Look at Boeing now. What a state.

282145 vargas99, replying to vargas99, 15, #762 of 2452 🔗

I think I foresee a problem for Wancock in rolling out this vaccine to NHS staff.. On the basis that many staff will show symptoms after being vaccinated (much like with the flu vaccine) and there is no 100% way of knowing whether these are actually due to the vaccine or actually due to a nosocomial infection of Covid, surely NHS protocol will demand that such staff are sent home to isolate and if they are then subject to a PCR test, that is guaranteed to show a positive test – since they have been jabbed with a piece of viral RNA. Ergo everyone they have been in contact with – also sent home to self isolate. Result – no fucking staff left in the hospitals!

282159 ▶▶ Tyneside Tigress, replying to vargas99, 3, #763 of 2452 🔗

Yes, as pointed out in the US, you could end up with all staff out of action at the same time!

282236 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to vargas99, 2, #764 of 2452 🔗

They’ll fudge it. Anyone with the vax will not have to isolate, others only if they show symptoms. They are beyond caring now. Just get the vax rolled out is their only aim.

282152 Sir Patrick Vaccine, replying to Sir Patrick Vaccine, 12, #765 of 2452 🔗

Dear Mike

Dr Mike Yeadon: ‘Strong evidence’ of Covid herd immunity in the UK
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aRLnM8DsLLM

Dr Mike Yeadon, a former chief scientific adviser with Pfizer, has claimed there is “strong evidence” that the UK has developed some herd immunity against coronavirus.

Speaking with talkRADIO’s Julia Hartley-Brewer, the lockdown sceptic said it was shown by the “lack” of Covid deaths happening in London.

“It was about 200-250 a day seven months ago. I checked three days ago, it was nine – so about 90-95% lower”.

Dr Yeadon also voiced concerns over the mass roll out of the newly approved Pfizer and BioNTech jab, because it was “too early” to know its the long term safety or effectiveness.

However, he did say that he was “pro-vaccine” and “not an anti-vaxxer”.

282280 ▶▶ Bill Hickling, replying to Sir Patrick Vaccine, #766 of 2452 🔗

With respect Yeadon has been saying this about herd immunity for some considerable time. I recommend you watch the latest u tube from Ivor Cummins.

282153 calchas, replying to calchas, 8, #767 of 2452 🔗

Who can believe anything any government says?

282157 ▶▶ leggy, replying to calchas, 7, #768 of 2452 🔗

Never have.

282412 ▶▶▶ Ceriain, replying to leggy, 1, #769 of 2452 🔗

… never will!

282972 ▶▶ Ewan Duffy, replying to calchas, #770 of 2452 🔗

Never have (nothwithstanding that I worked for the Irish Government for 7 years).

283405 ▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to Ewan Duffy, #771 of 2452 🔗

.

282154 leggy, 16, #772 of 2452 🔗

Listening back to Neil Oliver on Talk Radio.

My fear is that we’re in season one, episode one of the pandemic box set.

Ain’t that the truth!

282156 S1722, replying to S1722, 1, #773 of 2452 🔗

An interesting set of blog posts covering how vaccination looks from an employment rights perspective.

Disclaimer: I’m not David Whincup, nor have anything to do with Squire Patton Boggs or Lexology (or Employment law at all, for that matter!). I simply thought this is a a useful overview.

Part 1: https://www.lexology.com/library/detail.aspx?g=d7479238-e947-4a1d-9dd2-ae552930839b

Part 2: https://www.lexology.com/library/detail.aspx?g=beed10f8-c6b0-4396-b180-e02443a18cdf

Part 3: https://www.lexology.com/library/detail.aspx?g=f5416ae2-213a-44d3-9dfd-5035fb9bc419

282448 ▶▶ Mabel Cow, replying to S1722, #774 of 2452 🔗

Part 1 makes for depressing reading. Basically, your employer can effectively enforce the vaccine using “health and safety” rules.

282164 Margaret, replying to Margaret, 16, #775 of 2452 🔗

As a child, I hated having piano lessons, but I did learn one or two useful things.

Diminuendo:when music starts very loudly with a fanfare or banging drums then gets softer and softer until you can barely hear it at all.

We’ve had the government playing a few of these this year: the construction of the Nightingale hospitals, the PCR tests increasing to half a million a day, the mass testing in Liverpool using the new lateral flow tests and then of course, there’s the vaccine. All announced with loud fanfares.

Has anyone noticed that we can barely hear the first three of these at all now? They are merely a whisper and soon will be quietly squirrelled away. The same will happen with the vaccine, given a couple of weeks, it will fade into the background.

Listening to various members of Sage and the government, I am also reminded of
another word I learned:

Cacophony!

282277 ▶▶ mattghg, replying to Margaret, 1, #776 of 2452 🔗

You could have mentioned the NHS contact-tracing app, as well. I hope you’re right!

282308 ▶▶▶ Margaret, replying to mattghg, #777 of 2452 🔗

Yes! Forgot that! See what I mean?

282409 ▶▶ Ceriain, replying to Margaret, 1, #778 of 2452 🔗

You forgot the App. The App! The World Beating App !

“One App to rule them all…”

Okay, I think you get the point. 😉

283504 ▶▶ Two-Six, replying to Margaret, #779 of 2452 🔗

And all the volunteers that signed up to help with the dead and nobody got a call at all….All theatre

282174 Tarby O'Hara, replying to Tarby O'Hara, 13, #780 of 2452 🔗

Just read an article in today’s Telegraph regarding possible govt action with regard to people spreading alleged misinformation about Covid Vaccines: “Take down anti-vaccine conspiracy posts or face consequences, ministers tell social media giants”. Having just posted a snippet of Mike Yeadon and Dr Wodarg’s letter suggesting that vaccinations must show that they will not have a long term infertility effect on women, I appear to be an “anti-vaxxer”, when I anothing of the sort: It must be ruled out that a vaccine against SARS-CoV-2 could trigger an immune reaction against syncytin-1, as it may otherwise result in infertility of indefinite duration in vaccinated women.

It may soon be illegal to question the evidence… bodes ill for the legal system.

282199 ▶▶ Basileus, replying to Tarby O'Hara, 4, #781 of 2452 🔗

I don’t think you should worry too much about this. The communications genie is already out of the bottle.

282278 ▶▶ Ben, replying to Tarby O'Hara, 2, #782 of 2452 🔗

I’ve read the same horrifying article by Dr Michael Yeadon and Prof Wolfgang Wodarg too

After nine months of lockdown and witnessing unprecedented levels of human stupidity, fear, mental laziness and ignorance I’ve become a misanthrope. An antinatalist even. Therefore I’m in favour of the vaccine. I hope they take it. Does that make me an anti-vaxxer too?

282413 ▶▶▶ Tom in Scotland, replying to Ben, 2, #783 of 2452 🔗

Yes, I have also come to the point where I think it might be the only way out of this – massive problems with side effects for huge numbers of the vaccinated. Then things would really go out of control for governments. Of course, we might then move directly into civil war or full-on authoritarianism….

282402 ▶▶ Ceriain, replying to Tarby O'Hara, 1, #784 of 2452 🔗

I agree with Basileus. The DHSC tried to attack the DM after its ‘here’s all the gov BS; what the gov don’t tell you’ article. It was a huge mistake; they got attacked massively and ended up deleting the tweet.

There’s also the Streisand Effect for the Gov to consider with a move like that. That’s already happening; more people asking why YouTube taking vids down.

282180 Kate, replying to Kate, 4, #785 of 2452 🔗

Can anyone tell my why the Pfizer vaccine also contains mNeonGreen?

This is a bioluminescent product. Is this to trace those who have been vaccinated?

https://resources.chromotek.com/blog/mneongreen-vs-gfp

https://trialsitenews.com/patent-holder-sues-regeneron-pfizer-biontech-over-use-of-proprietary-mneongreen-tech-for-covid-19/

This ingredient is mentioned at point X of the Yeadon and Wodarg petition to the EMA.

Incidentally does anyone know where i can find a list of the vaccine ingredients?

https://2020news.de/en/dr-wodarg-and-dr-yeadon-request-a-stop-of-all-corona-vaccination-studies-and-call-for-co-signing-the-petition/

282260 ▶▶ Victoria, replying to Kate, #786 of 2452 🔗

Pfizer vaccine also contains mNeonGreen ?

Great question. Could it have to do with an injectable biochip ?

The technology consists of three components: the implanted [bio] sensor, a reader placed on the surface of the skin, and the software that allows the reader to send the collected data via Bluetooth to your phone or tablet, which in turn can be connected to other online sources such as your doctor’s website

The biochip being developed by Profusa is similar to the proposed COVID-19 mRNA vaccines in that it utilizes hydrogel. The implant is the size of a grain of rice, and connects to an online database that will keep track of changes in your biochemistry and a wide range of biometrics, such as heart and respiratory rate and much more.

The sensor has two parts. One is a 3mm string of hydrogel, a material whose network of polymer chains is used in some contact lenses and other implants. Inserted under the skin with a syringe, the string includes a specially engineered molecule that sends a fluorescent signal outside of the body when the body begins to fight an infection.

https://articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2020/09/15/profusa-injectable-biosensors.aspx

https://articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2020/11/18/first-covid-19-vaccine-90-percent-effective.aspx (Pfizer vaccine)

282269 ▶▶ Richard Pinch, replying to Kate, 1, #787 of 2452 🔗

My understanding is that mNeonGreen is not used in the Pfizer vaccine, but rather used in the in vitro tests, being inserted into the virus, so that the spread or otherwise of the genetically modified virus in the experimental setting can be conveniently monitored. From Nature COVID-19 vaccine BNT162b1 elicits human antibody and TH1 T cell responses

The neutralization assay used a previously described strain of SARS-CoV-2 (USA_WA1/2020) that had been rescued by reverse genetics and engineered by the insertion of an mNeonGreen (mNG) gene into open reading frame 7 of the viral genome

This is not the same as saying that it has been inserted into the vaccine.

282491 ▶▶▶ Kate, replying to Richard Pinch, #788 of 2452 🔗

Hi Richard,

My initial thoughts too, however the Wodarg/Yeadon petition calls it an “inserted ingredient”

Point X

Pfizer/BioNTech is also inserting an ingredient derived from a marine invertebrate, mNeonGreen, into its vaccine. The ingredient has bioluminescent qualities, making it attractive for medical imaging purposes, but it is unclear why an injected vaccine would need to have that quality. mNeonGreen has unknown antigenicity

282514 ▶▶ mjr, replying to Kate, 2, #789 of 2452 🔗

its for when johnsons green agenda is in place and we start getting power cuts. It will enable those who have been vaccinated to act as lamps in their dark homes

282964 ▶▶▶ Jez Hewitt, replying to mjr, #790 of 2452 🔗

Might make fooling around in the dark a little easier too.

282181 arfurmo, replying to arfurmo, 3, #791 of 2452 🔗

California dreamin https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9012939/LA-told-stay-homes-effective-immediately.html but how will they keep the LA street gangs in?

Closer to home https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9013339/All-pubs-bars-restaurants-ordered-shut-month-Jersey.html . I thought that Jersey had done a NZ and eliminated it -so that worked well didn’t it?

282225 ▶▶ leggy, replying to arfurmo, 3, #792 of 2452 🔗

Re Jersey – zero covid is a pipedream. Completely unachievable when there’s a “test” that throws out at least 1% false results. This will continue to perpetuate the hysteria for ever.

282192 BeBopRockSteady, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 9, #793 of 2452 🔗

Oh dear. Northern Ireland Ministers briefed on Covid from international experts. First up, Devi Sridhar.

Then Azeem Majeed of ICL.

That’ll be balanced I’m sure.

282210 ▶▶ Mark, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 7, #794 of 2452 🔗

International “experts”.

282229 ▶▶▶ kf99, replying to Mark, #795 of 2452 🔗

Best careers advice ever: don’t say you did a lot of x. Say you’re an expert in x. No-one will ever contradict you. Some of my 1980’s comprehensive teachers had some great wisdom.

282196 Alethea, 11, #796 of 2452 🔗

For the past nine months, we have been walking around in a world populated largely by sleepwalkers.
They have been at once tormented and titillated by terrible dreams of death.
In their sleep, they reached for the magic masks, and tried to force them onto our faces too.
Now they have got hold of a magic potion, and millions and millions of needles.
The question is, will we be able to elude their desperate attempts to inject us all?
And when will they wake up?

282202 RickH, replying to RickH, 10, #797 of 2452 🔗

Just pondering the piece re. the “(In)accuracy of Lateral Flow Testing”
It strikes me that, after months of deliberate hyperbole an misinformation, that we are now in a position where all claims need to be searched for ulterior motives.

I have no idea about the accuracy of LFT; but what I do know is that any interest that has blithely accepted PCR testing has a vested interest in LFT not working.

Thus – not that Sheffield has been on the ball in rejecting the LFT methodology that undermines the validity of the alternative test upon which incontinent panic and fearful subservience is based (unless I’ve missed the parallel announcement about the inaccuracy of PCR).

This is where we end up when medicine becomes political : in deep shit in terms of knowledge and trust.

282228 ▶▶ wat tyler, replying to RickH, 3, #798 of 2452 🔗

Maybe before we concur that the lateral flow test doesn’t work we may consider the alternative .That all the covid has gone .

282286 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to RickH, 2, #799 of 2452 🔗

It’s a fine balance always however 2020 has been so destructive for my own view of how scientists operate.

282205 Cecil B, replying to Cecil B, 6, #800 of 2452 🔗

Civil Service Jobsworth ‘ Minster we have a problem there is nobody left in the care homes to vaccinate

Minister ‘Why?’

CSJ ‘We killed them all off in April and May’

Min ‘Get a new lot in, but can we be a little subtle this time’

CSJ ‘Use the vaccine?’

Min ‘ I like your thinking but it wasn’t my idea if anyone asks’

CSJ ‘What after that?, what’s the policy?’

Min ‘Eat, sleep, repeat’

CSJ ‘What do we do when all the old people have been harvested?’

Min ‘ I have a list in my desk from GCHQ. It contains all names of the LS contributors you can make a start on them’

282390 ▶▶ Ceriain, replying to Cecil B, 1, #801 of 2452 🔗

It contains all names of the LS contributors you can make a start on them

Oh, I don’t know. I think they might make us wait for our turn.

Nice bit of psychological torture… waiting for the knock at the door… who’s that new guy in the office… hearing footsteps behind us, but no-one is there… etc .

282942 ▶▶▶ Ewan Duffy, replying to Ceriain, 1, #802 of 2452 🔗

Yes – it will be like 1984 where you don’t know when it is that they will remove you.

282213 TyRade, replying to TyRade, 2, #803 of 2452 🔗

Assuming the new wonder prick will be accompanied by at least the sort of ‘health warning’ you get with, say, paracetamol, below?? And that these qualifications will be boldly publicised by sage authorities to better inform the decision of the prospective prickee?

from smpc
Keep out of the reach and sight of children

If clinically needed, paracetamol can be used during pregnancy however it should be used at the lowest effective dose for the shortest possible time and at the lowest possible frequency.

Adverse effects of Paracetamol are rare but hypersensitivity including skin rash may occur. There have been reports of blood dyscrasias including thrombocytopenia, neutropenia, pancytopenia, leukopenia and agranulocytosis but these were not necessarily causality related to Paracetamol. Very rare cases of serious skin reactions have been reported.

282361 ▶▶ Victoria, replying to TyRade, 2, #804 of 2452 🔗

I am always amazed (shocked) at how mothers drug their children with Calpol for any little niggle and minor fever.

Fever is the way to body protects us from infections – i.e fighting the viral infection. The moment you kill the five with Calpol (aka acetaminophen / Tylenol in the US) the body no longer effectively fights the infection.

In most cases, a simple fever is actually a sign that your child’s immune system is working at its best. Virtually all animals naturally develop a fever when they’re fighting a bacterial or viral illness, and this response occurs because it improves your body’s ability to get rid of the bug.

So in many cases, lowering a fever is not only unnecessary, it could actually hamper your child’s recovery process, prolonging the illness rather than resolving it more quickly.

Remember that a fever is not something to fear. There is good evidence that fever actually serves as a healthy stimulus to develop a strong immune system and typically the higher the fever the better the stimulus.

The American Academy of Pediatrics (AAP) recognizes that fever is not a disease, but a sign that your body is doing what it’s supposed to do to fight infection. They state :

“Fever is not an illness, rather, it is a symptom of sickness and is usually a positive sign that the body is fighting infection.”

AAP also does not recommend treating your child with antipyretics (fever-reducing drugs), even with higher temperatures. As their Web site states :

“Fevers generally do not need to be treated with medication unless your child is uncomfortable or has a history of febrile convulsions. The fever may be important in helping your child fight the infection.

Even higher temperatures are not in themselves dangerous or significant unless your child has a history of seizures or a chronic disease. Even if your child has a history of a fever-related convulsion and you treat the fever with medication, they may still have this kind of seizure … If he is eating and sleeping well and has periods of playfulness, he probably doesn’t need any treatment.”

https://articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2011/02/03/the-benefits-of-fever.aspx

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  • California state regulators are considering adding acetaminophen (Tylenol) to the list of carcinogens covered by Proposition 65
  • In the U.S., more than 200 people a year die from acetaminophen poisoning and acetaminophen is the top cause of acute liver failure; overdoses are a leading cause of emergency department visits and hospitalizations
  • Acetaminophen poses risks during pregnancy and should be avoided

https://articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2020/02/21/california-considers-declaring-common-painkiller-carcinogenic.aspx

282224 steph, 4, #805 of 2452 🔗

Do any of our NHS contributors have any information about when they personally expect to be called in for the jab? Is it all just speculation for now whilst the logistics are sorted out?
It would obviously be comforting for us if you were allowed to refuse without consequences.
If it were to be coerced I can imagine a lot of staff deciding they had to “self isolate with possible symptoms” starting on the assigned day.

282226 zacaway, 3, #806 of 2452 🔗

Head of Pfizer Research: Covid Vaccine is Female Sterilization

Dr. Wodarg and Dr. Yeadon request a stop of all corona vaccination studies and call for co-signing the petition

https://healthandmoneynews.wordpress.com/2020/12/02/head-of-pfizer-research-covid-vaccine-is-female-sterilization/

282227 Victoria, 6, #807 of 2452 🔗

After mounting evidence, FDA, CDC now admit that coronavirus tests are faulty
https://www.naturalnews.com/2020-12-02-coronavirus-tests-faulty-mounting-evidence.html

282230 NickR, replying to NickR, 5, #808 of 2452 🔗

If the Oxford Astra Zeneca vaccine reduces symptoms in 70% of people this means that your chance of getting ill now would be comparable to what it was at the end of Sept when the prevalence of the virus was about 30% of where it is now.
I don’t remember people feeling particularly risk free then!

282242 ▶▶ RickH, replying to NickR, 2, #809 of 2452 🔗

Hang on, Nick … we’re not even sure what the prevalence of the virus (defined as actual infection) is. It’s obviously nowhere near what it’s hyped to be – but we’re stuck with duff data.

282231 John P, 2, #810 of 2452 🔗

Quoting Ross Clark from the Spectator (reproduced above)

“While the trials have proved that the vaccine can provide immunity against COVID-19 for the person who has been vaccinated, they were not designed to show whether the vaccine stops someone transmitting the virus to others. Nor do we know how long immunity might last . ”

This is one of the problems. Too many people who haven’t a clue with too much to say. If it’s a genuine vaccine and it works – YOU CAN’T PASS IT ON. Because when you encounter the real virus your immune system will kill it.

Immunity would generally be measured in years rather than months. Unless, perhaps you are shilling for Big Pharma in which case it’s probably a couple of weeks (sarcasm).

282232 calchas, 1, #811 of 2452 🔗

Dr James Lyons-Weileron on ‘pathogenic priming’ through vaccination:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lkGB1-YFn1Q&feature=youtu.be

Watch before it is removed.

282235 zacaway, replying to zacaway, 7, #812 of 2452 🔗

The coercion is apparently already beginning, irrespective of whatever the Government’s supposed policy is:

Breaking: it is as we predicted and feared. My old friend afflicted with cancer has been told that he cannot have his long promised operation unless he has been vaccinated.

https://twitter.com/Dai_James1942/status/1334292575965089794

282243 ▶▶ leggy, replying to zacaway, 10, #813 of 2452 🔗

If that’s true it’s morally reprehensible.

282247 ▶▶▶ John P, replying to leggy, 6, #814 of 2452 🔗

Yes, if it’s true.

282246 ▶▶ John P, replying to zacaway, 4, #815 of 2452 🔗

Maybe. But who is saying this? Is he telling the truth or just telling you want you want to hear? The “vaccine” hasn’t even been rolled out yet.

282248 ▶▶▶ RickH, replying to John P, 3, #816 of 2452 🔗

Does sound dodgy.

282266 ▶▶▶▶ calchas, replying to RickH, 2, #817 of 2452 🔗

But then this whole thing has been dodgy.

Hasn’t stopped any of it.

282252 ▶▶▶ zacaway, replying to John P, 1, #818 of 2452 🔗

Fair point, it is just an anecdote

282384 ▶▶ Ceriain, replying to zacaway, 1, #819 of 2452 🔗

Comment: George Bowen:

Isn’t that just commonsense to protect NHS workers etc?

George Bowen will be front of the queue for the jab. RIP George Bowen.

282239 HaylingDave, replying to HaylingDave, 23, #820 of 2452 🔗

Well, I’m shocked for words.

I received an unsolicited message from my MP just now – Alan Mak:

Re: Computer generated emails
<intro deleted>
Having checked my records, I can see that you frequently send me computer-generated or template wording-style “click and send” policy campaign e-mails, including through charity websites and campaign websites. Whilst I appreciate you making me aware of policy issues and campaigns that are important to you, at this time and for the foreseeable future, I will no longer be replying to these types of e-mails due to the high volume of personalised and specific COVID-19 related correspondence I am receiving. These types of e-mail have increased substantially in recent years, and I receive around 100 per day on average.

Therefore, it would be of great help to me and my small team of staff if you could, with immediate effect, refrain from sending me any more of these types of templated campaign e-mails. My small team and I are focusing our limited time and staff resources on helping individuals with COVID-19 issues.
<stuff deleted>

So I use a website called writetothem.com, which has the following template (here in its entirety):

Dear Alan Mak,

Yours sincerely,

writetothem.com provides statistics of responses, and follows up with me 2 weeks later as well.

Now I can assure you that I’ve *NEVER* cut-and-pasted a template letter to Mr Mak, it’s *ALWAYS* been my own words.

And there’s a certain irony of asking me to not send template letters … using a templated letter.

£81,000+ per year?

What an arse!

282250 ▶▶ Julian, replying to HaylingDave, 10, #821 of 2452 🔗

Probably would be a different story if the emails were all supportive

282301 ▶▶ Victoria, replying to HaylingDave, 1, #822 of 2452 🔗

Please email this to TOBY – email us here

282240 Barney McGrew, replying to Barney McGrew, 4, #823 of 2452 🔗

Re. the graph of LS comments over time, are the administrators aware that the comments are self-limiting, in that beyond 2000 it becomes painfully slow to do anything? (on my PC, anyway). With a different system, it might be exponential!

282249 ▶▶ John P, replying to Barney McGrew, -6, #824 of 2452 🔗

Stick to your fire engines.

282257 ▶▶ calchas, replying to Barney McGrew, 1, #825 of 2452 🔗

No problem here with loading the page at 2000+

I’d love to know how the number of page-views has developed too.

282315 ▶▶ Mabel Cow, replying to Barney McGrew, 5, #826 of 2452 🔗

I was having the same experience when attempting to load all comments. I created Panscepticon as a way to get round the problem. It doesn’t help if you want to actually post something, but it does give you a quick way to search for stuff hidden in the comments.

Interestingly, having recently abandoned Windows in favour of Linux, I have found the comment area to be much faster when viewed on Linux.

283637 ▶▶▶ Barney McGrew, replying to Mabel Cow, #827 of 2452 🔗

Unfortunately I’m using Linux already. But it is a fairly basic laptop.

282380 ▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Barney McGrew, #828 of 2452 🔗

Works fine on my Android

283022 ▶▶ leggy, replying to Barney McGrew, 1, #829 of 2452 🔗

Think it must be your local machine Barney. Try deleting your cached internet data if you haven’t done that for a while.

282244 Nobody2020, replying to Nobody2020, 23, #830 of 2452 🔗

There used to be a show called Rogue Traders on the BBC exposing dodgy traders and businesses. A typical example would be a plumber called in to fix a leak who would somehow find that the entire house plumbing needed to be replaced (when it wasn’t). A relatively simple job would become an emergency and require a lot of money to fix.

This pandemic has been like one long episode of Rogue Traders. What may have been a relatively simple problem has been blown out of reasonable proportion. What’s worse is that the unsuspecting and unquestioning public has been forced to pay far more than they might have in order to have the problem fixed.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rogue_Traders_(TV_programme)

Rogue Traders is a BBC One investigative/undercover consumer affairs television programme starring Matt Allwright, an investigative journalist, and Dan Penteado, a private investigator and Allwright’s co-host. The show focuses on investigating and exposing the dubious work practices of tradespeople and businesses whom have received complaints against them from their customers, often through the use of hidden cameras and rigged situations, sometimes sending members of the show’s research team undercover to secretly record any training methods taught to a business’ employees that is suspicious or unethical.

282255 ▶▶ John P, replying to Nobody2020, 6, #831 of 2452 🔗

That was a long time ago. In those days the BBC was a public service broadcaster and not a government propaganda outlet.

282306 ▶▶▶ Mark, replying to John P, 3, #832 of 2452 🔗

It was always a government/establishment propaganda outlet. It’s just that back then (presumably) you did’t mind the propaganda, because it was pointed in directions you agreed with or didn’t much object to.

283546 ▶▶ Two-Six, replying to Nobody2020, 1, #833 of 2452 🔗

I think Rogue Traders was part of the psy-op. It was almost like a mini hate-fest.

They would set up these trades people and that was the show. Sit back and get your indignant how dare they cap on.

I bet their researchers were a right pain to deal with, PLEADING the trades guy to come round getting them way out their area then acting like a muppet with stupid problems to fix. I bet a lot of them were like, these people are idiots and they have given me loads of grief so I am going to make this cost them a few credits.

Anyway stuff like this on the telly serves to do another them and us thing, to demonise another section of the public and set people against each other. They could just as easily made a program about really good honest trades people doing a really clever skilled job. Much more positive. Stuff like this isn’t supposed to be positive it is designed to corrode away the fabric of society. Just like Benefit Street, Can’t Pay Take it away, caught red handed, cop shows, even programs about Chelsea Millionaires is designed to wind people up.
The divide and rule psy-op

282254 Nick Rose, replying to Nick Rose, 9, #834 of 2452 🔗

People need to see this:

https://twitter.com/nickkeca/status/1334381272324583424

Daily reminder that ALL #CovidVaccine are still in early stages of clinical trials despite being licensed by Gov.

For those taking the vaccine next week, at least be informed about the risks of vaccine injury.

282299 ▶▶ Mabel Cow, replying to Nick Rose, 3, #835 of 2452 🔗

The speaker is Dr James Lyons-Weiler , Senior Research Scientist and Scientific Director of the Bioinformatics Analysis Core at the University of Pittsburg.

Here’s the full video of his address at the PA Medical Freedom press conference on 2020-10-20.

282256 George Dance, replying to George Dance, 1, #836 of 2452 🔗

Good morning. I have a question, for something I’m writing, and I was hoping someone could direct me to the right person to ask it. It’s about ‘herd immunity’ or protective immunity; the former is used almost exclusively to mean an absolute, the HI Threshold, while I think the latter is built up in degrees (that there are degrees of protective immunity below the HIT). But I’d rather be able to cite a source than just say ‘it stands to reason’ or somesuch.

282272 ▶▶ John P, replying to George Dance, #837 of 2452 🔗

Well, there are plenty of results you will get if you google “herd immunity”. I’m not sure if there is any such thing as “protective immunity”.

Herd immunity means that not every individual in a population needs to have immunity from a virus for the population as a whole to be protected.

Herd immunity is based on the idea, the principle that if you are immune you cannot pass it on.

I fear that Big Pharma in trying to maximise profits and uptake will try to sow doubt about this in people’s minds. We’ve seen this already in fact from Ross Clark in the Spectator, quoted above. Mr Clark may not be shilling for Big Pharma, but he’s certainly doing them a favour.

282359 ▶▶▶ George Dance, replying to John P, #838 of 2452 🔗

I have been googling. Almost all deal with the absolute, the HIT. I don’t expect there’ll be much else, which is why I’m looking for someone whose brain I can pick, but I am still looking.

282258 Zak Thelotofem, replying to Zak Thelotofem, 7, #839 of 2452 🔗

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Taiwan; 686 ‘cases’ and 7 deaths (population: 24 million – 1739 people per square mile). I’ll leave you to draw your own conclusions.

282270 ▶▶ Bill Hickling, replying to Zak Thelotofem, 4, #840 of 2452 🔗

It seems that in the far east there have residual immunity from SARS.

282288 ▶▶▶ Zak Thelotofem, replying to Bill Hickling, 1, #841 of 2452 🔗

Probably a big part of it and as the relevant article points out, “The Taiwanese case reveals something extraordinary about pandemic response. As much as public-health authorities imagine that the trajectory of a new virus can be influenced or even controlled by policies and responses, the current and past experiences of coronavirus illustrate a different point. The severity of a new virus might have far more to do with endogenous factors within a population rather than the political response.
According to the lockdown narrative, Taiwan did almost everything “wrong” but generated what might in fact be the best results in terms of public health of any country in the world.”

282323 ▶▶▶ RickH, replying to Bill Hickling, #842 of 2452 🔗

… and then you have climatic factors …

282261 Ben, replying to Ben, 9, #843 of 2452 🔗
283261 ▶▶ Voz 0db, replying to Ben, 1, #844 of 2452 🔗

Don’t say stuff like this

People’s health is their own responsibility

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Majority of the “people” is not just irresponsible but ignorant as well!

They were programmed since birth to transfer ALL responsibility to someone else.

HEALTH – ONLY experts (doctors, nurses, pharmacists and scientists) are the ones that have the RESPONSIBILITY of keeping your health in “good shape”!

And the “people” LOVES this…

282263 chaos, replying to chaos, 12, #845 of 2452 🔗

Princess Nut Nut, sorry I mean Boris Kemal, sorry I mean Santa Klaus want petrol and diesel gone by 2030. Everyone riding bicycles.. the rich whizzing around in Teslas.

Now today Boris the twat is talking of getting rid of gas boilers to replace them with hydrogen heat pumps.

Next week I expect he’ll tell us no more cookers from 2025; instead you must have an Argor. No more flat caps from 2035; instead you must wear a top hat.

282317 ▶▶ G.Fawkes, replying to chaos, 8, #846 of 2452 🔗

Boris is large enough that, in an emergency situation, you could cut him open and hide inside for warmth. Like Luke Skywalker did with that Taun Taun on Hoth. Boris has that going for him at least.

282327 ▶▶ Darryl, replying to chaos, 5, #847 of 2452 🔗

All part of the Club of Rome anti-human man made Climate Change scam – this has very little to do with cutting Pollution which is a very good and worthy cause. Multinational corporations have been and still are the biggest polluters and they are part of the Davos elite who want to enslave us with technology.

All the Carbon rationing and trading is going to do is give more power to the already rich and powerful. All to do with creating the illusion of a global problem to justify the end solution of a global government.

282373 ▶▶ karenovirus, replying to chaos, 3, #848 of 2452 🔗

25 million gas boilers will have to go.
Hydrogen heat pumps don’t give off much heat hence the parallel push for more insulation.
It’ll be compulsory woolly jumpers next.

282265 NickR, replying to NickR, 14, #849 of 2452 🔗

BBC & Neil Fergusson seem to have switched the narrative to USA, I think because the numbers are big, it’s a big country. As always they ignore the data.
The death rate per million of population is about 1/3 lower than the UK.
Look at the chart, the deaths now are in states that had very low rates in spring.
Places such as New York & New Jersey that had high deaths in Spring have low rates now.
Could herd immunity have something to do with this?

282271 ▶▶ leggy, replying to NickR, 6, #850 of 2452 🔗

That certainly seems to be a very logical suggestion. Mike Yeadon was suggesting the same about UK data this morning, that we’re seeing low mortality where we had high before and visa versa.

282295 ▶▶▶ Mayo, replying to leggy, 3, #851 of 2452 🔗

That is certainly a pattern that is being repeated at local, regional and in some cases national level. Czechia was being widely praised for the way in which it controlled the virus in the spring but it has been hit hard in the Autumn ‘wave’. Czechia’s mortality rate is now much higher than Sweden’s. Poland also had a very low mortality rate in Spring but is likely to exceed 500 per million very shortly.

282316 ▶▶▶ RickH, replying to leggy, 2, #852 of 2452 🔗

… and Ivor Cummins’s latest video focuses on the same issue.

282439 ▶▶▶▶ leggy, replying to RickH, #853 of 2452 🔗

Great podcast that. The highlighting that there are no correlations between cases/infections/deaths and introduction of non pharmaceutical interventions is a good segment. Actual analysis of data, not political manipulation.

282889 ▶▶▶▶ Mayo, replying to RickH, #854 of 2452 🔗

Is that the one which features analysis by Joel Smalley. Smalley has provided the best piece of forensic analysis since the pandemic began.

283013 ▶▶▶▶▶ leggy, replying to Mayo, #855 of 2452 🔗

Yep, that’s the one. Looks closely at rates of change rather than absolutes, whilst factoring in mobility data.

282363 ▶▶ karenovirus, replying to NickR, 1, #856 of 2452 🔗

They were reduced to discussing the situation in the Channel Isles this morning because there’s little happening on the mainland.

282274 Jay Berger, replying to Jay Berger, 11, #857 of 2452 🔗

“It must be ruled out that a vaccine against SARS-CoV-2 could trigger an immune reaction against syncytin-1, as it may otherwise result in infertility of indefinite duration in vaccinated women.”

Absolutely.
And this is actually pretty easy to do and would take only a few months or, if one wanted to be surer and also that there is no negative impact on the newborns if fertility wasn’t fully erased, about a year.
It is completely irresponsible to vaccinate young women and girls, who are obviously also also not at risk of Covid, before that is established and ruled out via another specific trial.
As the risk is now published and well known, there is no excuse for anyone who advocated, enabled, allowed or performed their vaccination, if that risk becomes reality.
The backlash if that happens will be monstrous, and fully justified.

282284 ▶▶ G.Fawkes, replying to Jay Berger, 19, #858 of 2452 🔗

To be honest, I’m still laughing at the hilarity of the same people that complain about genetically modified food queuing up to get a nice dose of cellular re-engineering synthetic mRNA.

282287 ▶▶▶ Victoria, replying to G.Fawkes, 4, #859 of 2452 🔗

Indeed

282291 ▶▶▶ John P, replying to G.Fawkes, -1, #860 of 2452 🔗

Stupidity on both counts.

282305 ▶▶▶▶ G.Fawkes, replying to John P, #861 of 2452 🔗

I disagree. Quite a lot, actually.

282282 Jonathan Palmer, replying to Jonathan Palmer, 22, #862 of 2452 🔗

If you subscribe to the incompetence theory then you would believe that the government are rushing an untested vaccine so it gives them a way out,despite the unknown risks.
If you believe in a worldwide conspiracy and that this is the first step in a plan,first to vaccinate ,then track and trace the population through a health passport.
Whatever’s side you take it means that the vaccine must be resisted and why the editorial today is so wrong.

282321 ▶▶ peter, replying to Jonathan Palmer, 7, #863 of 2452 🔗

The editorial has been fake for half a year, it’s clear the 77th have taken control of the counter narrative.

282334 ▶▶ Charlie Blue, replying to Jonathan Palmer, 2, #864 of 2452 🔗

Well, I don’t want or need it and certainly resist any idea that it could, should or would ever be compulsory. I have wondered, though, how I might think if I were a two or three decades older and obese and in poor health. I don’t know the answer. Should people in those categories be denied the choic e to have one of these vaccines because of my views?

282355 ▶▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Charlie Blue, 3, #865 of 2452 🔗

I don’t see anybody here denying others the choice to take the ‘vaccine’ .

282386 ▶▶▶▶ Bella Donna, replying to karenovirus, 2, #866 of 2452 🔗

Precisely, those who want it should have it but I hope they’d ask questions before they do.

282410 ▶▶▶▶ Charlie Blue, replying to karenovirus, 3, #867 of 2452 🔗

I was just thinking out loud. Jonathan Palmer’s perfectly reasonable post caused me to question whether I was resistant to the vaccine on a personal level, or resisting its existence and use full stop. Criticism has been levelled by some at the editorial for not condemning the vaccine full stop. I’m simply thinking things through!

282395 ▶▶▶ Mark, replying to Charlie Blue, 2, #868 of 2452 🔗

In general, we have not operated our society on the basis that people are free to take any medicine they choose (I’m not saying I agree with that, just that it is the way we have set things up). That’s why we have prescription only medications, and requirements for regulatory approval before drugs and vaccines can be sold or used.

The libertarian position you describe is the one I am myself naturally disposed to, because I am confident in my own ability to find out for myself, and prepared to take responsibility if that goes wrong.

But there are legitimate arguments against it, and I am very much in a minority on that position – most people are vulnerable to hype and advertising, and there has never been any shortage of people and corporations willing to exploit fears without regard to truth or risks.

Under our normal rules, these vaccines would not yet be made available. People only have the option to choose to take them because a supposed “emergency” has been invoked to justify cutting short the testing process. So given that the emergency is utterly spurious, there is clear justification for saying that no, people should not have the choice to sell or to take these vaccines.

That said, is that a politically sensible or useful position to adopt? I rather doubt it.

282424 ▶▶▶▶ Charlie Blue, replying to Mark, 3, #869 of 2452 🔗

I agree that the public health emergency is spurious. I just wonder whether I can be sure that I would not want the vaccine if I were vulnerable and it was being offered. I would probably still see that exploitation was in full swing, but might I want any beneift that might be conferred nonetheless?

282503 ▶▶▶▶▶ Mark, replying to Charlie Blue, 2, #870 of 2452 🔗

Indeed, many do undoubtedly want the vaccine, which is why it’s probably not a politically productive line to take that we should stick to the rules and nobody should be allowed to take any vaccine.

It boots little to point out that most only want it in the first place because they’ve been systematically lied to and scaremongered into it, the hard fact is that they are in that position, and we have to go from where we are, not where we’d like to be.

So the position that it should be strictly a matter of individual, unmanipulated choice is probably the first viable line of resistance that has a chance of being held, imo..

282544 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Mark, replying to Mark, 1, #871 of 2452 🔗

Mind you, when I say the “stick to the rules so nobody can take it” position is probably not politically productive, I don’t by any means mean that it should not be pointed out that the rules have been circumvented in this case and should not have been.

In reality, the optimal line is probably:

“Well, I wouldn’t myself want to take an inadequately tested product that has been waved past the normal rules because of a supposed emergency, just out of fear of a not very dangerous disease that’s already mostly passed through our society. But you should go ahead if you want to….”

282283 Richard O, replying to Richard O, 6, #872 of 2452 🔗

Nearly all of the oppression from the state this year has been psychological. Obviously authoritarian regimes of the past had the cutting edge of unrestrained brutal violence and deadly force to enforce compliance, but I wonder how much of the power of those infamous 20th century regimes was purely psychological? Probably 90%. Take note.

282385 ▶▶ Bella Donna, replying to Richard O, 2, #873 of 2452 🔗

It’s been a Psych-ops on steroids.

282285 Victoria, replying to Victoria, 4, #874 of 2452 🔗

Pro Choice – consider all the facts and then make an informed decision whether to take a vaccine / prescribed drug

COVID Vaccine Hesitancy Widespread, Even Among Medical Professionals

Health officials try to combat vaccine hesitancy

Despite this, officials at the forefront of the COVID response plan to combat vaccine safety concerns and hesitancy using, what some are calling , questionable psychological techniques.

For example, the WHO, which named “ vaccine hesitancy ” as the top global public health threat, has hired the PR firm Hill + Knowlton to identify micro-influencers, macro-influencers and “hidden heroes” on social media who could covertly promote the organization’s image as a COVID authority in order to “ensure WHO’s advice and guidance is followed.”

Cass Sunstein, the chairman of WHO’s Technical Advisory Group on Behavioral Insights, recently wrote an article in Bloomberg in which he promoted the use of popular celebrities, athletes and actors as tools for vaccine persuasion against those who “lack vaccine confidence.”

“Trusted politicians, athletes or actors — thought to be ‘one of us’ rather than ‘one of them’ — might explicitly endorse vaccination and report that they themselves have gotten the vaccine,” Sunstein wrote.

Then there’s the “ Guide to COVID-19 Vaccine Communications ,” developed by the University of Florida and the United Nations that aims to help governments improve COVID vaccine uptake. The authors of the guide promote the tactic of covertly using trusted community leaders to help with pro-vaccine information.

https://www.greenmedinfo.com/blog/covid-vaccine-hesitancy-widespread-even-among-medical-professionals

282311 ▶▶ RickH, replying to Victoria, 6, #875 of 2452 🔗

i.e propaganda has overtaken balanced information as an output.

Now who would ever have guessed?

282349 ▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Victoria, 3, #876 of 2452 🔗

I want to know what Jedward says, does ze think it is safe?

282376 ▶▶ Will, replying to Victoria, 4, #877 of 2452 🔗

Working on the influencer theme, I am not sure who they would find who could encourage me to take the vaccine to compensate for Piers Morgan and Matt Hancock encouraging me to take it.

282379 ▶▶ Bella Donna, replying to Victoria, 3, #878 of 2452 🔗

I find it more concerning how fixated they are on vaccinating those who are not at risk. We are told there is no conspiracy but my intuition tells me different.

282290 Jay Berger, replying to Jay Berger, 4, #879 of 2452 🔗

“The obvious question – if having antibodies doesn’t prevent you from getting re-infected, what’s the point of getting vaccinated? – was left unasked.”
It’s not just that.
One might thereby be overdosed and get that excessive immune reaction or ADE.
Therefore, at the very least, everyone veccinated should first be tested for antibodies before getting the vaccine.
Ideally, there should be separate trials then based on those antibody levels, before going on to vaccinate everyone.
If this backfires, see my comment below on the other risk…

282307 ▶▶ John P, replying to Jay Berger, 7, #880 of 2452 🔗

You should not be vaccinated if you have already had and recovered from the virus.

Vaccination (if it works) does so by training the immune system to recognise an invader, but if you’ve already fought off an infection then your immune system can already do that.

Of course, because of the dodgy PCR test there are thousands out there who think they’ve had the virus when they haven’t.

Yes, people ought to be tested for antibodies before they are given a vaccine. If they already have antibodies then they shouldn’t be vaccinated.

282297 JohnB, replying to JohnB, 7, #881 of 2452 🔗

Sky News with yet another non-story posing as a headlines regarding a “94 year old who died with COVID”. FFS this is the b*llocks Charles Walker brought up in Parliament regarding making every death of those who’ve had a full life a tragedy.

Did anyone find out how old Hancock’s step grandfather was who died with COVID, which he brought up as a tragedy to justify the vaccine? Hancock is 42, third child born in the family, so I’m guessing parents were around 30 at the time, add another 20 years on for the next tier, and you are looking at someone who is in their 90’s.

282322 ▶▶ Mark, replying to JohnB, 7, #882 of 2452 🔗

Presumably it’s his wife’s grandfather, not his.

I think I can say with reasonable confidence that few people are particularly closely attached to their step grandparents. (I can do so safely, personally, since both my and my wife’s parents and grandparents are all dead now anyway). Not saying there might not be liking, or friendly relations, just that it isn’t remotely a close familial relationship, for the vast majority.

Just another piece of lying, manipulative scumbaggery from Handcock.

282300 Steve Hayes, replying to Steve Hayes, 4, #883 of 2452 🔗

This morning I got around to watching the prime minister’s press briefing from yesterday evening. The contribution of Jonathan Van-Tam, the Deputy Chief Medical Officer, was painful. His speech consisted of him stringing together cliche after cliche and filling the gaps with imperatives. Oh, and he used the word “science” – a lot.

This incessant use of figurative language and imperatives and appeals to “the science” ought to be embarrassing. But apparently not. As everyone knows (to steal a rhetorical flourish from Boris – he uses it when he can’t bring himself to claim he has scientific evidence), when someone knows what they are talking about they are capable of explaining it clearly and simply and straight-forwardly. Van-Tam’s performance showed that he does not know what he is talking about. And this is hardly surprising as (as he revealed on BBC Breakfast this morning) he gets his knowledge about the vaccines from the Pharma PR people.

282339 ▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Steve Hayes, 5, #884 of 2452 🔗

Well he should know, he is x-GSK, as are whitty and valance.

282626 ▶▶▶ Ceriain, replying to karenovirus, 1, #885 of 2452 🔗

Just for clarity, k. 🙂

The Witty who was ex-GSK is an Andrew Witty; different bloke.

282354 ▶▶ Jonathan Palmer, replying to Steve Hayes, 5, #886 of 2452 🔗

There is another reason why people do not speak clearly and that is they know they are lying.
As Yeadon pointed out it’s inconceivable that Van Tam doesn’t know he’s spouting bullshit.The entire handling goes against scientific and medical practices up to March of this year.

282371 ▶▶▶ Steve Hayes, replying to Jonathan Palmer, 3, #887 of 2452 🔗

You are, of course, entirely correct.

Yet another reason is that someone believes something that they know is false. Cognitive dissonance produces exactly this kind of behaviour.

282673 ▶▶▶▶ Jonathan Palmer, replying to Steve Hayes, #888 of 2452 🔗

2+2 =5

282631 ▶▶▶ Ceriain, replying to Jonathan Palmer, #889 of 2452 🔗

There is another reason why people do not speak clearly and that is they know they are lying.

Totally agree, J. Seen this many times down the years at job interviews (from both sides of the table).

282303 RickH, replying to RickH, 5, #890 of 2452 🔗

Just a perennial note to Guy de la Bédoyère about his sterling work in revisiting a hardy perennial and comparing excess deaths in 2020 to excess deaths in previous years.

… the ‘excess deaths’ tag really does need knocking on the head, since it implies a ‘normal’ level that actually varies dramatically with the baseline. Much better is the direct comparison (as made) with actual years and actual central tendencies over a sufficiently long period of time.

Why does it matter?

Because, if we take, say, the commonly used most recent 5 years as a ‘standard’ for judging ‘excess’, we get a very inflated notion of mortality in the past year. This is because the period since 2010 has been one of notably low mortality – a period that is possibly now ending with a cyclic up-tick.

Another feature that is missed in judging mortality over short periods (we even have breathless claims about single weeks!) is that it is easy to miss something that has emerged as crucial in the Covid debacle – namely the balancing factor of one year’s mortality relating to the next (thus the ‘dry tinder’ thesis).

… then there’s the need to standardize for population. In the end, context is all, and its the pattern portrayed in context that really tells the tale.

282329 ▶▶ leggy, replying to RickH, 1, #891 of 2452 🔗

Fully agree. Data is nothing without logical interpretation. I was going to also question the need for this kind of information to be adjusted for change in population, but you covered it in your last paragraph 🙂

282337 ▶▶▶ RickH, replying to leggy, 1, #892 of 2452 🔗

Yes, leggy, the population adjustment makes a significant difference when looking at historical context and the relative magnitude of individual years.

282309 Mel, replying to Mel, 4, #893 of 2452 🔗

Van Tam spouting evil shit on the BBC again.

If you missed any of it, here’s a summary of what he’s shared with us:

  • He expects US and European regulators to approve the Pfizer vaccine in “not very many days”
  • The logistics of the vaccine means that it’s “not viable” to take it into individual homes if people are housebound
  • He’s “hopeful” the Oxford University vaccine will be approved before Christmas, although that decision is in the hands of the UK’s regulators
  • For people with allergies concerned about getting the vaccine, he says the ingredients will be made available as soon as they get them from the manufacturer
  • On hugs, he says the vaccine may not give everyone “complete protection” so social distancing rules should still be followed
  • The government may look at a jobs-based priority list once the care home/age/clinical need priority list has been worked through
  • On vaccine certificates, he says there are “definite plans” to make sure we know who’s had the vaccine, but could not give a firm answer on certificates
  • The vaccine should not be given to pregnant women because there’s no data on its effect yet
  • The vaccine should give protection for “quite a few months as an absolute minimum – and it could be longer”
  • And Father Christmas will be front of the queue to get the vaccine (He’s been made a special case by the JCVI)
282314 ▶▶ Tenchy, replying to Mel, 5, #894 of 2452 🔗

There’s a bloody load of stuff they still don’t know about it, eh?

282603 ▶▶▶ Ceriain, replying to Tenchy, #895 of 2452 🔗

One thing I notice that has not been mentioned yet is that, before anyone has any kind of medical intervention, it should be discussed with their GP. He mentions allergies, but fails to mention how this vaccine may react to/with other drugs people may be taking, for a variety of conditions.

I’m also a bit shocked that someone in his position does not know what is in this ‘thing’ yet. I’m assuming that the regulator knows, so why not the Deputy Chief Scientific Officer?

As for his Santa comment – he’s a patronising bastard!

282325 ▶▶ Steve Hayes, replying to Mel, 5, #896 of 2452 🔗

If a vaccine is effective, it confers immunity from the disease on the vaccinated individual. It does this regardless of whether or not anyone else is vaccinated. This makes the arguments for mandatory vaccination look either ignorant or disingenuous. The unvaccinated present no danger to the vaccinated. The vaccinated have immunity. However, the unvaccinated do not (assuming they have not had the disease and recovered). Thus, the vaccinated, who obviously can still come into contact with the infectious agent and pass it on to others, do pose a potential threat to the unvaccinated. As is usual with the coronavirus official narrative, it is backwards.

282336 ▶▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Steve Hayes, 5, #897 of 2452 🔗

It is not a vaccine by any definition, it is a Palliative to ease symptoms much like an Anadin for a headache.

282346 ▶▶▶▶ John P, replying to karenovirus, #898 of 2452 🔗

Palliatives are drugs not vaccines.

282362 ▶▶▶▶▶ Bella Donna, replying to John P, 2, #899 of 2452 🔗

That is not what she said.

282350 ▶▶▶▶ Steve Hayes, replying to karenovirus, 3, #900 of 2452 🔗

Like everything else in the coronavirus responses, they constantly pretend that words mean whatever they want them to mean, and then repeatedly shift between what the word denotes and their pretend meaning. It is integral to their propaganda.

282342 ▶▶▶ John P, replying to Steve Hayes, 4, #901 of 2452 🔗

NO NO NO this is NOT TRUE:

“Thus, the vaccinated, who obviously can still come into contact with the infectious agent and pass it on to others, do pose a potential threat to the unvaccinated.”

YOU CANNOT PASS IT ON IF YOU ARE IMMUNE.

282357 ▶▶▶▶ Steve Hayes, replying to John P, 2, #902 of 2452 🔗

We have had this disagreement before. So let’s try to clear it up.

The “vaccine” does not have the power to ensure that a vaccinated person never comes into contact with the virus. The vaccinated person could pick up the virus by touching things or people or their cat; or they could inhale it. Do you accept this point?

282372 ▶▶▶▶▶ Tenchy, replying to Steve Hayes, #903 of 2452 🔗

But if a vaccinated person does pick it up in that way, could he then infect others in the same way that an infected person would, namely via breathing on them?

(edit, add) Or put another way, could a vaccinated person become a spreader?

282377 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Steve Hayes, replying to Tenchy, #904 of 2452 🔗

Yes. And by touching them. Or by touching something that they then touch.

282387 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Winston Smith, replying to Steve Hayes, #905 of 2452 🔗

Steve, do you know how viruses replicate?

282394 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Steve Hayes, replying to Winston Smith, #906 of 2452 🔗

Viruses cannot replicate. The replication of a virus occurs when a virus enters the cell of a living organism, the DNA of which reproduces the virus.

282429 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Winston Smith, replying to Steve Hayes, #907 of 2452 🔗

“Viruses cannot replicate. The replication of a virus occurs when a virus……” You’ve just contradicted yourself and your own argument in one post.

I refer to G.Fawkes post

282459 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Steve Hayes, replying to Winston Smith, 1, #908 of 2452 🔗

I did not contradict myself. Viruses cannot replicate. Only living organisms can, and viruses are not alive.

282473 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ G.Fawkes, replying to Steve Hayes, 1, #909 of 2452 🔗

They hijack your cells and reprogram them to become virus factories. So they cause replication, but do not replicate themselves.

282488 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Steve Hayes, replying to G.Fawkes, 1, #910 of 2452 🔗

Virus do not hijack. They are not alive. They are not sentient. They do not have intentions. They do not behave.

282528 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ G.Fawkes, replying to Steve Hayes, 1, #911 of 2452 🔗

Potassium is not alive, it has no intentions, it does not behave. But when it comes in contact with water, it reacts. Virii are not alive, they have no intentions, they do not behave, but when they come into contact with a living cell, they react. Computer viruses are not alive, they have no intentions, they do not behave, but when they come into contact with Windows, they react.

282534 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ p02099003, replying to G.Fawkes, 2, #912 of 2452 🔗

You’re mistaken about computer viruses and Windows because Windows is the virus, it mutates and bloats.

282567 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ G.Fawkes, replying to p02099003, 1, #913 of 2452 🔗

I stand corrected. That must make Bill Gates the infectious fruitbat. Seems reasonable.

283618 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Two-Six, replying to Steve Hayes, #914 of 2452 🔗

The actual covids do have little arms and legs and eyes though don’t they ?

283311 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Winston Smith, replying to Steve Hayes, #915 of 2452 🔗

🤣 🤣

282398 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ G.Fawkes, replying to Tenchy, 3, #916 of 2452 🔗

Apart from surface contact, an immune person has an extremely low (but not zero) chance of passing the disease on. Their immunity means that the virus is not established in their body, and not replicating within their cells, but it can still be in their system for a short time. Since the viral load is so small (and viral load is key in passing on infection), the circumstances would have to be very unusual for the immune person to pass the infection on successfully.

282406 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Tenchy, replying to G.Fawkes, #917 of 2452 🔗

Thanks. That was my understanding of it.

A key question now is – does this Pfizer vaccine confer immunity, or does it just relieve the symptoms of infection? It seems the “experts” still don’t know. Which, given that the stuff is now being rolled out, is a quite extraordinary situation.

282437 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ G.Fawkes, replying to Tenchy, 2, #918 of 2452 🔗

The ‘vaccine’ is a synthetic piece of mRNA created using CRISPR that will instruct your cells to produce anitbodies against the spike proteins on the surface of the virus, so it will prevent the virus from invading cells and reproducing when the spike protien ‘key’ is destroyed by antibodies.

It will not produce long term immunity though, as antibodies are temporary, the long term key to immunity is T-cells, which create antibodies when needed. Teaching T-cells about producing antibodies against certain virii is the traditional method that Jenner discovered/exploited. This is also why flu jabs could be effective, as could your latent immunity to other coronaviruses, because you will gain some cross-immunity.

I’m not sure where the idea of the vaccination just treating the symptoms comes from, because the symptoms are result of your own immune system attacking the virus.

The latest Yeadon interview goes into some detail about this, it’s worth a listen.

283627 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Two-Six, replying to G.Fawkes, #919 of 2452 🔗

They make the vaccine using CRISPS?
Wow.

282369 ▶▶▶▶ Winston Smith, replying to John P, 1, #920 of 2452 🔗

John, John, calm down mate, we know that facts are lies and beliefs are facts, as long as they are the right beliefs.

I’ve got my head around this now and mental health is so better.

We should all chunk up to the fundamental truths as opposed to arguing about the details, particularly with someone who doesn’t actually have any real knowledge or insight.

282388 ▶▶ Chloe, replying to Mel, 4, #921 of 2452 🔗

“For people with allergies concerned about getting the vaccine, he says the ingredients will be made available as soon as they get them from the manufacturer.”

Ummmm if this is true surely it’s a giant red flag??

282614 ▶▶▶ Ceriain, replying to Chloe, #922 of 2452 🔗

giant red flag

Totally! How can they say it’s ‘whatever percentage’ safe if they don’t know what’s in it? As I asked above; what about reactions with other drugs?

282310 Tenchy, replying to Tenchy, 4, #923 of 2452 🔗

These freedom-hating ID card fanatics just never give up! Tony Blair failed in 2009/10 to implement a national surveillance ID card, so now he’s having another punt under the guise of a so-called “health passport”. I fully expect Blunkett and [Charles] Clarke to be piping up with something similar.

From The Guardian live feed:

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/live/2020/dec/03/uk-coronavirus-live-covid-vaccine-jonathan-van-tam-pzifer-latest-updates

Today the Tony Blair Institute for Global Change has published a report saying, among other things, that the government should “urgently approve a digital platform for a health passport that can draw on vaccine and testing data to enable individuals to live freely and safely alongside Covid-19”.

https://institute.global/policy/how-government-should-call-shots-getting-uk-vaccine-ready

282335 ▶▶ Darryl, replying to Tenchy, 6, #924 of 2452 🔗

No, they never give up! they go back to the drawing board, brainwash the next generation, and try again in a few years.

282345 ▶▶ RickH, replying to Tenchy, 8, #925 of 2452 🔗

Yes – the ‘Build Back Better’ Reset went well in Iraq after the bombing, didn’t it?

I think we should pay attention to the Wisom of Tone.

282425 ▶▶▶ Darryl, replying to RickH, 2, #926 of 2452 🔗

The generation Blair and the Tech Giants are targeting now sadly have no knowledge (and won’t be told) about the weapons of mass destruction hoax used to justify close to 2 decades of destruction and destabilisation in the middle east. They have rewritten history.

282313 Jay Berger, 7, #927 of 2452 🔗

“For the majority of the population, COVID-19 presents little or no risk. Far from being a death sentence, there is ~99.75% chance of surviving it. More, if you believe the data emerging from Norway, where the infection fatality rate is just 0.12%. It’s partly because the IFR of disease is so low that the cure has been so much worse.”

The trials themselves also prove that there is no real need for a vaccine, certainly not for everyone, as only 0.4% of participants got infected/tested positive (established how?!).
The ‘vaccination for everyone’ mantra rests here entirely upon the sofar unquestioned (other than CHD, Gatti, Montanari) acceptance of a mere computer model without medical evidence, called herd immunity.

Only if you are in a risk group and have no intention to reproduce anymore will these vaccines make sense to you and carry an acceptable risk reward ratio.

282330 Richard Pinch, replying to Richard Pinch, 2, #928 of 2452 🔗

Just How High Are Excess Deaths in 2020?

A very good question, and one conveniently summarised in the graph from David Speigelhalter comparing 2020 with the previous ten years.

In short – the first two months of 2018 were worse than the last couple of months this year.

As the graph makes clear, the first two months (Jan+Feb) of every year for the past ten years were worse than the last couple (Oct+Nov) of every year for the past ten years, except 2020. That is, January and February are the peak months, for all sorts of reasons. So not comparing like with like here.

More to the point though, to compare like with like, deaths in Oct+Nov 2020 were visibly higher than deaths in the same two months in previous years, while non-Covid-related deaths were firmly in the middle.

I’m happy to draw to the attention of Lockdown Sceptics the perhaps more important part of the graph on the left, where the red dotted line, for non-Covid-related deaths, rises significantly That represents excess deaths which are at least plausibly associated with the failure of the NHS to sustain normal service to non-Covid patients.

282353 ▶▶ calchas, replying to Richard Pinch, 5, #929 of 2452 🔗

Can’t you just hear a covidian schrieking?

“Excess deaths, what do you mean? Every death is an excess death”

282397 ▶▶▶ Richard Pinch, replying to calchas, -2, #930 of 2452 🔗

… which has nothing to do with the question of whether there have in fact been excess deaths.

282401 ▶▶▶▶ Steve Hayes, replying to Richard Pinch, 2, #931 of 2452 🔗

Richard, what do you make of the fact that there were fewer deaths than the five yearly average until after the lockdown was implemented?

282450 ▶▶▶▶▶ Richard Pinch, replying to Steve Hayes, #932 of 2452 🔗

I don’t know what those figures are but would comment that deaths lag by about three weeks from new cases. Cases, and deaths, were increasing by a factor of about 100 over a three week period at that point.

282708 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Steve Hayes, replying to Richard Pinch, #933 of 2452 🔗

The figures are the Office for National Statistics figures. They show that greater than the five yearly average deaths occurred from the middle of April and continued.

282737 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Richard Pinch, replying to Steve Hayes, #934 of 2452 🔗

Ah, yes, found the England and Wales figures at https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunity/birthsdeathsandmarriages/deaths/bulletins/deathsinvolvingcovid19englandandwales/deathsoccurringinapril2020

The daily death rate for 2020 was slightly below the five-year average from 1st to 16th of March, on which day the number of Covid-related deaths was 41. The daily death rate exceeded the five-year average every day from then until 29th April. Lockdown was on 23 March.

282374 ▶▶ RickH, replying to Richard Pinch, 3, #935 of 2452 🔗

A few points :

  • Spiegelhalter makes a classic mistake in using the years since 2010 as a baseline – these years are atypical low-mortality years.
  • ‘Covid’ deaths are indeterminate, and have been from the start. Data garbage.
  • Current autumn deaths are unsurprisingly at a slightly higher level than the previous five years, but around the middle of the quarter-century range, and well below any Ferguson/SAGE trumpeted predictions (SORRY ‘projections’!)
282393 ▶▶▶ Richard Pinch, replying to RickH, #936 of 2452 🔗

these years are atypical low-mortality years.

Atypical in grand historical terms, perhaps. Mortality per head has been falling since the middle of the 20th century, and a Good Thing too. That’s what we want and expect, isn’t it? There has been some levelling off over the last decade.

So, no, not a mistake.

‘Covid’ deaths are indeterminate, and have been from the start. Data garbage

If you don’t like that, just look at the red line, which is total deaths. Or are you suggesting that those numbers are garbage too?

Current autumn deaths are unsurprisingly at a slightly higher level than the previous five years

Well, current autumn deaths exceed the worst of the last ten years by the same amount by which the worst of the last ten years exceeded the best of the last ten years. Perhaps that’s “slight”, I would have used a different word.

282516 ▶▶▶▶ calchas, replying to Richard Pinch, 1, #937 of 2452 🔗
282617 ▶▶▶▶▶ Voz 0db, replying to calchas, #938 of 2452 🔗

That graph is wrong… There are ZERO deaths from label “COVID-19”!

282635 ▶▶▶▶▶ Richard Pinch, replying to calchas, #939 of 2452 🔗

Interesting, thanks. The drift back upwards in the 1960s and 70s was new to me, since it isn’t seen in the annualised figures.

282681 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Richard Pinch, replying to Richard Pinch, #940 of 2452 🔗

Ah, the resolution. Almost obscured by the (10.3) in the top right hand corner is the national flag of Sweden. Not the country I was discussing …

282596 ▶▶▶▶ Tim Bidie, replying to Richard Pinch, 1, #941 of 2452 🔗

‘Some of the UK government’s decisions with regard to care homes seem heedless at best. Up until 13 March 2020, two days after the World Health Organization (WHO) declared COVID-19 a global pandemic, and despite having received information warning of asymptomatic coronavirus cases from its own advisers,the government advised care homes against the use of PPE. Its official guidance for care homes stated: “If neither the care worker nor the individual receiving care and support is symptomatic then no personal protective equipment is required above and beyond normal good hygiene practices.”

Other government decisions appear inexplicable. Via its Department of Health and Social Care (DHSC), the government in mid-March adopted a policy, executed by NHS England and NHS Improvement, that led to 25,000 patients, including those infected or possibly infected with COVID-19 who had not been tested, being discharged from hospital into care homes between 17 March and 15 April—exponentially increasing the risk of transmission to the very population most at risk of severe illness and death from the disease. With no access to testing, severe shortages of PPE, insufficient staff, and limited guidance, care homes were overwhelmed.

Although care home deaths were not even being counted in daily official figures of COVID-19 deaths until 29 April, some 4,300 care home deaths were reported in a single fortnight during this period’

https://www.amnesty.org.uk/files/2020-10/Care%20Homes%20Report.pdf

Given that the common cold has been known to be lethal to the elderly and infirm, immunosuppressed, for years, government measures are clearly part of the problem, not the solution.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5343795/

https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/full/10.1002/jmv.26362

NHS hospitals were cleared in March to make room for covid patients, and then cleared again 18 Sept.

Deaths lag by three weeks, you say……….hmmm………

282341 Iansn, replying to Iansn, 8, #942 of 2452 🔗

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2020/12/03/boris-johnson-pfizer-covid-vaccine-brexit-latest-news/ if ANYTHING goes wrong with the vaccines or if USA does not approve, this guys head is right on the block. Hes gambled the farm on this and his head soon will be too big to get through the door for the press briefing.

282370 ▶▶ Victoria, replying to Iansn, #943 of 2452 🔗

Yes, he is smirking again

282403 ▶▶▶ Ovis, replying to Victoria, #944 of 2452 🔗

If the spaffing Johnson is smirking, definitely do not take that vaccine!

282344 Dan L, 2, #945 of 2452 🔗

It’s coming…

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9013511/First-batch-Pfizers-Covid-vaccine-arrive-UK-HOURS.html

I think there is a sceptic in the graphics department. There’s a Dad’s Army type chart showing the how the army of vaccines will cross the channel and invade the country.

282348 calchas, 2, #946 of 2452 🔗

“Numerous studies have demonstrated that antibodies to placental proteins in a variety of species are capable of preventing or disrupting gestation. Early work in this area was primarily directed towards the passive immunization of rodents with heterologous antisera to whole placental extracts. Toxicity and renal damage often accompanied fertility inhibition. More recent studies reported less toxicity and a higher specificity of antibodies to reproductive function when anti-placental antibodies were absorbed with serum and extracts of non-reproductive organs. Few studies have been reported in which active immunization with placental proteins was employed. The most detailed studies of active immunization have employed highly purified placental hormones. Immunizations of rats and rabbits with human placental lactogen have resulted in marked reduction in reproductive function”

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/1092119/

282351 John P, replying to John P, 19, #947 of 2452 🔗

You cannot pass on a virus if you are immune.

I repeat YOU CANNOT PASS ON A VIRUS IF YOU ARE IMMUNE.

Some people are lying about this and innocent and well meaning people are now engaged in spreading the lie even on this board. I daresay, it’s probably not going to make any difference what I say now.

If you are immune your body is protected and any contact with a viral agent results in the instant death of the virus. The immune system acts without mercy. It has to.

The immune system is like a mighty giant. It’s achilless heel is that it is almost blind. But once it can recognise a viral agent it will kill it.

You cannot pass on a dead virus. And the immune system of an immune individual will kill it stone dead.

282360 ▶▶ Voz 0db, replying to John P, 10, #948 of 2452 🔗

>95% (being optimistic!) of “people” are absolute ignorants… And the fun part is that they are programmed not to believe in what others say, just the “experts” on TV!

282366 ▶▶▶ John P, replying to Voz 0db, 4, #949 of 2452 🔗

Unfortunately so.

282407 ▶▶ Steve Hayes, replying to John P, 1, #950 of 2452 🔗

Would you care to explain why it is impossible for an immune person to pass on a virus?

282416 ▶▶▶ Julian, replying to Steve Hayes, 1, #951 of 2452 🔗

Isn’t this related to the debate on asymptomatic transmission?

And whether the vaccine confers immunity or just mitigates symptoms?

Given the trumpeting of the vaccine as a great saviour, you’d think those pushing it would have provided greater clarity on these points as they seem fundamental.

Also related to the key debate around whether taking the vaccine should be done as a civic duty because it protects others.

282445 ▶▶▶▶ Steve Hayes, replying to Julian, 1, #952 of 2452 🔗

Boris Johnson told the House that seventy percent of all transmission of the virus is asymptomatic. Whitty and Valance have both repeatedly asserted that asymptomatic transmission is the big challenge.

The claim for the vaccine, by its producers, is that is reduces symptoms, not that it confers immunity – which is yet another example of how they mess with words.

Vaccination is a clinical treatment; it is not a public health measure. A vaccinated person is immune from the disease, regardless of whether or not anyone else has been vaccinated.

282595 ▶▶▶▶▶ Voz 0db, replying to Steve Hayes, #953 of 2452 🔗

Well… That’s a first!

Vaccination is a clinical treatment

282466 ▶▶▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Julian, #954 of 2452 🔗

It doesn’t protect others, it protects you from the symptoms but does not stop you infecting others.

282483 ▶▶▶▶▶ Charlie Blue, replying to karenovirus, 1, #955 of 2452 🔗

Yeadon said this morning that he thinks it likely will prevent transmission, but not yet demonstrated.

282533 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Julian, replying to Charlie Blue, 3, #956 of 2452 🔗

That makes sense to me – but this is the circle that the lying toerags running the country need to square. If on the one hand asymptomatic transmission is a real thing, and fairly common, then the vaccine doesn’t prevent you being infectious. In which case you would be taking it for yourself, not to protect others. If asymptomatic transmission is not a real thing or is very uncommon, they have locked up the country under false pretences.

This seems like a very simple logical dilemma that any journalist worth their salt would have posed relentlessly to those pushing the vaccine, until they got an answer.

283198 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Ned of the Hills, replying to Julian, #957 of 2452 🔗

Have I got this right? Are you saying the vaccine doesn’t stop you being infected by the virus – just stops you developing symptoms?

282559 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Ben, replying to Charlie Blue, 2, #958 of 2452 🔗

I’d rather catch a coronavirus, feel unwell for a bit and recover, than take this concoction

282600 ▶▶▶▶▶ Voz 0db, replying to karenovirus, #959 of 2452 🔗

They infect you artificially and you are “worried” about infecting others!

Priceless…

Where is the evidence that it protects “you” from the symptoms?!

282526 ▶▶▶▶ DeepBlueYonder, replying to Julian, #960 of 2452 🔗

Has the Pfizer BioNTech study been published in an academic journal yet? “Whether the vaccine confers immunity or just mitigates symptoms” seems to be such a critical question. If it is the latter, the argument that people should be vaccinated “to protect others” falls over.

282606 ▶▶▶▶▶ Voz 0db, replying to DeepBlueYonder, #961 of 2452 🔗

There’s absolutely no need for that publishing… They announced it via Twatter and a news release (made a few millions in inside trading) and that’s quite enough.

Why waste time with publishing that stuff if we need the MIRACLE INFECTION as soon as possible?!

282592 ▶▶▶ Voz 0db, replying to Steve Hayes, -1, #962 of 2452 🔗

Are you still at the level?!?!

282511 ▶▶ leicestersq, replying to John P, #963 of 2452 🔗

Just a small correction here. If the immune system has been trained, i.e. previously beaten the virus, it may well be the case that it will react more strongly and more quickly in response to the virus entering the body again. But there may still be a small window of opportunity for the virus to play up before it is spotted. Logically it seems possible that it could reproduce inside an ‘immune’ person, though not in a large enough way to make them ill again. The effect is likely to be extremely small, but I am sure it can happen. Those T cells cant be everywhere all of the time.

282356 Voz 0db, replying to Voz 0db, 5, #964 of 2452 🔗

Those receiving a Covid-19 vaccination will be given a credit card-sized NHS Wales immunisation card which will have the vaccine name, date of immunisation and batch number of each of the doses given handwritten on them ,” said Gething.

“These will act as a reminder for a second dose and for the type of vaccine, and it will also give information about how to report side effects ,” he added.

See fellow sheeple… It’s ALL for your protection, safety and HEALTH!

282368 ▶▶ Victoria, replying to Voz 0db, 4, #965 of 2452 🔗

handwritten on them

easy to forge then

282427 ▶▶▶ awildgoose, replying to Victoria, #966 of 2452 🔗

Only until they implement Xi’s suggestion of a standard international QR code read by smartphone apps that report back to the cloud.

282436 ▶▶▶▶ Graham3, replying to awildgoose, 1, #967 of 2452 🔗

Or a tattoo on the wrist.

282532 ▶▶▶▶▶ awildgoose, replying to Graham3, #968 of 2452 🔗

I believe there will be some kind of easily scannable content in the vax.

Maybe something that luminesces under UV light or reacts to a magnetic field.

The way they are pushing this, plan that forgeries and spoofs will be absolutely haram.

Examples will be made of spoofers with extreme prejudice.

282639 ▶▶▶▶▶ Jonathan Palmer, replying to Graham3, 1, #969 of 2452 🔗

Embedded tattoo with your vaccine history which can be scanned before entry.
Dr Gates is already working on this.Ties in with his digital ID patent 060606.

282497 ▶▶▶ leicestersq, replying to Victoria, 1, #970 of 2452 🔗

It remains to be seen how difficult it will be to forge it. Why are they going to the expense of producing this card unless someone uses it? And the only use is to discriminate against those who havent had the vaccine. Its very existence is a breach of the Nuremberg code.

Item 1 of the Nuremberg – Voluntary consent of the human subject is essential.

The Welsh government have breached the code right there.

282456 ▶▶ jb12, replying to Tom Blackburn, #972 of 2452 🔗

Tom, can you summarise these Twitter links you post as my phone does not deal well with Twitter, for whatever reason?

282470 ▶▶▶ Tom Blackburn, replying to jb12, #973 of 2452 🔗

Will certainly try to in future. This is a discussion between Owen Jones and Mr Hitchens. Should be on YouTube

282806 ▶▶▶▶ jb12, replying to Tom Blackburn, #974 of 2452 🔗

Thanks, I appreciate it.

282463 ▶▶ Mark, replying to Tom Blackburn, 1, #975 of 2452 🔗

As an enthusiastic advocate of “hate speech” censorship and cancel culture (see the comical Suzanne Moore case), the noxious Owen Jones should himself be ignored. Plenty of other places to see, hear or read Hitchens in action.

FSU General Secretary Toby Young and Guardian writer Owen Jones debate cancel culture on Sky News.

282378 Richard Pinch, replying to Richard Pinch, 2, #976 of 2452 🔗

The mRNA vaccines from Pfizer/BioNTech contain polyethylene glycol (PEG). 70% of people develop antibodies against this substance. This means that many people can develop allergic, potentially fatal reactions to the vaccination.

Polyethylene glycol has been clinically approved for over ten years. If there’s a significant risk from its use, there is presumably a sufficient literature on the subject by now.

282404 ▶▶ G.Fawkes, replying to Richard Pinch, 3, #977 of 2452 🔗

The PEG argument seems to be nothing more that a fake counterargument, to obfuscate the legitimate concerns about rushed-to-market gene therapy vaccines. Some people will get hung up on it, others will disprove it easily (as you have), and then throw the baby out with the bathwater. Even if not deliberate, the effect will be the same.

282432 ▶▶▶ Graham3, replying to G.Fawkes, 1, #978 of 2452 🔗

Is PEG not put in cheap wine to ‘improve’ it?

282451 ▶▶▶▶ G.Fawkes, replying to Graham3, #979 of 2452 🔗

Not sure. I remember the DEG scandal from a while back though – but glycols are everywhere, in medicines, toothpaste, soap. If you’re any good at personal hygene, you’ve probably already been in contact with PEG today.

282467 ▶▶▶▶ Victoria, replying to Graham3, 1, #980 of 2452 🔗

Keep in mind that the body’s defence system protects you well if you inhale or ingest a ‘product’. When you inject a product into the body these defence mechanisms are bypassed and therefore not protect you

282487 ▶▶▶ Richard Pinch, replying to G.Fawkes, 2, #981 of 2452 🔗

Are you suggesting that Dr Yeadon might be putting forward fake arguments to discredit the opposition to a product of the company he used to work for? That’s as cunning as a fox that’s just been made professor of cunning at Oxford University.

282541 ▶▶▶▶ G.Fawkes, replying to Richard Pinch, #982 of 2452 🔗

It seems I am. Hmmm….. fascinating. Anything is possible in an information war I suppose. It does seem a peculiarly specious argument for him to make, given his garmagantuan braines and all.

282423 ▶▶ Victoria, replying to Richard Pinch, #983 of 2452 🔗

Polyethylene Glycol–Induced Systemic Allergic Reactions (Anaphylaxis)
https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S2213219820310072

282430 ▶▶ peyrole, replying to Richard Pinch, 2, #984 of 2452 🔗

Adverse reaction to PEG is indeed rare. However it is not as rare as adverse reaction to coronavirus. Please explain the logic of exposing yourself to the higher risk?

282468 ▶▶▶ Richard Pinch, replying to peyrole, 2, #985 of 2452 🔗

I’m not advocating for either course. I’m pointing out that there must be a scientific literature on the risk from this clinically approved additive, and that Dr Yeadon must be aware of it: Presumably he chose not to explain that for some reason.

282389 Chloe, replying to Chloe, 39, #986 of 2452 🔗

Excellent point made on Twitter:

“The idea that we should all socially distance, mask up and lockdown has no basis in science. It is marketing for a product, and that product is the vaccine.”

282399 ▶▶ Ovis, replying to Chloe, 6, #987 of 2452 🔗

Marketing provided by the state at public expense.

282422 ▶▶ awildgoose, replying to Chloe, 9, #988 of 2452 🔗

It’s the standard Hegelian dialectic on a global scale:

Problem -> Reaction -> Solution

Rinse and repeat as needed.

282434 ▶▶ Steve Hayes, replying to Chloe, 9, #989 of 2452 🔗

Prior to this marketing campaign, world’s most successful marketing campaign was the 5 a day campaign which was created a group of US agribusinesses. They found that typically Americans only eat two portions of fruit and veg a day. They wanted to increase their turnover – not much in the way of increased overhead, but much in the way of increased revenue and thus massive in the way of profits. So the decided to encourage people to eat five a day, as they figured with that target they might get Americans to eat four a day, doubling their sales. However, if they pushed this it would be seen for what it was. So, they enlisted the help of the American Cancer organisation and other health professionals and got them to front the campaign.

282969 ▶▶ Jay Berger, replying to Chloe, 1, #990 of 2452 🔗

Herd immunity is the main marketing ingredient (there is zero medical evidence for it existing, just computer modelling) for the ‘vaccination for everyone, not just those at risk’ story and sale.

282392 godowneasy, replying to godowneasy, 12, #991 of 2452 🔗

A little light relief which made me chuckle. A great story from Belgium. Couldn’t happen in the UK of course.

Guests ‘already had Covid-19,’ organiser of Brussels sex party says

Excerpts:

  • David Manzheley, who organised the sex party in Brussels with 25 attendees where Hungarian MEP Jozsef Szajer was also present, does not see the problem as all guests had already had coronavirus.
  • While Manzheley said that he realises the gathering was illegal in view of the coronavirus restrictions in force in Belgium, he also said that he and his guests had been very careful.
  • “All my guests must have already had Covid-19, and must not have any symptoms,” he said. “I trust that my friends would not lie about it.”
  • “To be honest, I do not see what the problem is. There were two nurses present as well, they did not think it was dangerous either,” Manzheley said.
  • “We talk a little, we drink a little – like in a café. The only difference is that in the meantime we also have sex. I do not see what is wrong with it. We are all adults, everything happens with mutual consent,” he added.
  • When the police arrived, over 20 people were in the apartment. Everyone’s identity was checked, according to a statement by the Brussels public prosecutor’s office.
  • “The police were saying ‘ID card, right now!’ but we were not even wearing underpants. How were we supposed to show our identity card?” Manzheley said.
  • All attendees were issued a €250 fine.
282441 ▶▶ Tenchy, replying to godowneasy, #992 of 2452 🔗

“The police were saying ‘ID card, right now!'” Will that ever happen here?

282500 ▶▶▶ leggy, replying to Tenchy, 2, #993 of 2452 🔗

I have no doubt at all. To be honest, when I speak with colleagues across Europe on this issue (which I have done amongst other things for many years), they don’t understand how we can get through life without having ID cards. I assure them that we manage quite well.

282845 ▶▶ davews, replying to godowneasy, #994 of 2452 🔗

That 200 Euro fine was probably far less than cost of attending that party, good value for money….

282400 Blueboy 47, replying to Blueboy 47, 9, #995 of 2452 🔗

The MHRA have a massive set of rules to follow before allowing a new medicine into the UK. The Covid vaccine approval demonstrates how they can re-write these rules to suit their political masters. Compare the weeks long approval of the vaccine with a product currently going through a change of use application; from prescription only to pharmacy sale – it’s taken a year so far, for a product which is already available on prescription. And then there is the issue of the public consultation which is deemed necessary; but not for the vaccine or for 2 contraceptive pills that are going through the same change of use application as above.

282581 ▶▶ Voz 0db, replying to Blueboy 47, #996 of 2452 🔗

Rules for thee not for me !

282405 awildgoose, replying to awildgoose, 4, #997 of 2452 🔗

Am I correct in understanding the jockey in NZ is paying for his own quarantine?

I hope he stays there forever.

The lovely state of Florida has no use for such thick planks.

282433 ▶▶ Mark, replying to awildgoose, 3, #998 of 2452 🔗

Am I correct in understanding the jockey in NZ is paying for his own quarantine?

Isn’t that the requirement now for anyone entering Australia or NZ – paying for your own quarantining? (Other than celebs and other such modern elites, obviously).

282518 ▶▶▶ Julian, replying to Mark, 2, #999 of 2452 🔗

Mauritius too I believe, and I am told it’s very expensive.

282701 ▶▶▶▶ Banjones, replying to Julian, #1000 of 2452 🔗

Might be worth it if it had its own private beach though.

282698 ▶▶▶ Banjones, replying to Mark, #1001 of 2452 🔗

”Elites”? Or were you being sarcastic?

282714 ▶▶▶▶ Mark, replying to Banjones, #1002 of 2452 🔗

The latter, for sure. “Modern day aristocrats” was the other option….

282414 awildgoose, replying to awildgoose, 3, #1003 of 2452 🔗

Any truth that Europe is getting stricter about quarantine? People with negative tests are supposed to quarantine for 10 days?

https://mobile.twitter.com/drdavidsamadi/status/1334469572276203521

Folks, if we don’t get out there now, we deserve every link in the millennium of chains that is coming for all of us.

282645 ▶▶ Silke David, replying to awildgoose, 2, #1004 of 2452 🔗

Germany has extended their lockdown first from 30 Nov to 20 Dec, now to 10 Jan. This applies to hospitality, gyms and culture. Shops, hairdressers, massage parlours (non sex ones), tattoo studies are open. Hotels can accommodate business travellers, and private travellers over christmas.
Crazy. They have falling +tests, but the government is hysterical.

282696 ▶▶▶ Banjones, replying to Silke David, #1005 of 2452 🔗

‘Hysterical’ for what reason? That they are becoming desperate to keep people under control, I suppose, because it’s certainly not hysteria in the belief that this virus is still a huge threat.

282419 Pebbles, replying to Pebbles, 48, #1006 of 2452 🔗

I am in such shock about them approving the vaccine this quickly and especially since Wodarg and Yeadon only launched the petition on 30 November… or maybe that isn’t a coincidence because they need to bring their toxins to the people quickly since they have spent so much money on this shit.

But I am equally dismayed with this LS update by Jonathan Barr…by far the poorest yet.
“Provided it is left entirely up to the individual about whether to take the vaccine or not, and no efforts are made to compel people to take it, either directly or indirectly, we welcome it.”

I am utterly gobsmacked that this website than publish Dr Yeadon’s petition on the one day and then write such utter crap the next.

You are either aware of the criminal intent in unleashing an untested vaccine that the former VP of Pfizer has sharply criticised for not being suitable to be rolled out, or you are not. Honest to god, there is nothing in between. Stop hiding behind perceived “objectivity” and behind the “we don’t want to be seen as anti-vaxxers” hillocks.

Did you read the “the army stands ready to assist…?” Does that not ring a fascist little alarm bell in you, Jonathan / Toby et al?

Do you , Jonathan, in all earnest, believe it will stop at the voluntary vaccine crap…? After all the ” we won’t make xyz compulsory”… but then they do…? Seriously guys…?

Thumbs down for LS update this morning.

282442 ▶▶ Winston Smith, replying to Pebbles, 7, #1007 of 2452 🔗

I agree

282464 ▶▶ Nsklent, replying to Pebbles, 4, #1008 of 2452 🔗

Agree. I assume Toby and staff peruse the comments.

282512 ▶▶▶ Julian, replying to Nsklent, 3, #1009 of 2452 🔗

I think they do though if anyone feels like it they can be reached here: lockdownsceptics@gmail.com

282479 ▶▶ Saved To Death, replying to Pebbles, 17, #1010 of 2452 🔗

It seems to me a large number of people have been compelled to take a vaccine they don’t need for a disease they would not even know existed if it was not for all the effort that has gone in to scaring them.

There cannot be informed consent under these circumstances.

282438 Richard JJoyce, replying to Richard JJoyce, 25, #1012 of 2452 🔗

I wrote to my MP in the hope he might vote against the Government on Tuesday – lo and behold there was his name on the rebel list – David Warburton. He also sent a detailed email email explaining his opposition. It was all very sensible and pragmatic.
There’s hope yet.

282679 ▶▶ Will, replying to Richard JJoyce, #1013 of 2452 🔗

Nice to read another Somerton and Frome Sceptic. The constituency in which I was born, raised and voted until 2010.

282819 ▶▶ davews, replying to Richard JJoyce, #1014 of 2452 🔗

Had a letter in the post today from my MP following my email. He sort of supported my views, in particularly us being put into tier 2 against his wishes, but by and large supports the government view, and voted for the tiers last week. Sense a bit of scepticism in his reply so maybe he is on the turn, who knows. Wished me and my family a happy Chistmas….

282446 Beth, replying to Beth, 51, #1015 of 2452 🔗

My husband is absolutely overwhelmed with anger and tears right now. He’s just responded to a knock on the front door and he came back to tell me, when he could finally speak through his emotion, that it was a chap going door to door, delivering leaflets explaining the products he makes (garden items), and saying that he was just trying to keep himself, his family, and his business, from going under. An ordinary, decent chap based thirty miles away from where we live trying his best to keep going. I can’t even begin to express the utter disgust and absolute contempt I have for the behaviour of all those in government who are responsible for destroying the lives and livelihoods of so many people. I will never forgive or forget.

282486 ▶▶ leggy, replying to Beth, 8, #1016 of 2452 🔗

Ditto Beth. Heads must roll.

282547 ▶▶ Ben, replying to Beth, 10, #1017 of 2452 🔗

I’ve used the description so many times during the last nine months that it’s started to lose its meaning a little, but it’s not hyperbole to say that those who have voted for, or who have endorsed lockdowns, face masks, restrictions etc.. are complicit in CRIMES AGAINST HUMANITY

This extends to pharma and tech shareholders who stand to profit

282685 ▶▶▶ Banjones, replying to Ben, #1018 of 2452 🔗
282452 IanE, 1, #1019 of 2452 🔗

Wrong place, sorry.

282453 Achilles, replying to Achilles, 30, #1020 of 2452 🔗

Like many on here I was dumbfounded by the article on vaccines today. Lets make it very clear. Whether harmful, harmless, RNA, placebo, tested, untested, authorised, unauthorised a vaccine for Covid can never be good news for these two reasons alone:-

1) It will cost the tax payer billions of pounds which could actually be spent on improving health care.
2) A VACCINE ISN’T NEEDED.

This is not a point of detail, this is a fundamental part of lockdown scepticism.

282482 ▶▶ leggy, replying to Achilles, 10, #1021 of 2452 🔗

Agreed. Especially if one can see from the data that the pandemic has effectively been over for many months.

282454 IanE, replying to IanE, 3, #1022 of 2452 🔗

Something going wrong with the reply option: I give up.

282554 ▶▶ Ceriain, replying to IanE, #1023 of 2452 🔗

My fault, I think, Ian, if you were trying to reply to my post. Sorry. 🙂

282455 Ceriain, replying to Ceriain, 24, #1024 of 2452 🔗

I removed my previous attempt at this post; written with too much rage in my head. Here’s a 2nd attempt.

Sceptics must be careful to avoid excessive application of the precautionary principle here. Of course, it hasn’t been definitively proved that the vaccine is safe. But then again, it can’t be proved, categorically, that it would be safe to end all Government-mandated restrictions tomorrow and we don’t regard that as a good reason not to do so. It’s about a balance of risk and we should apply that same calculus here. Provided it is left entirely up to the individual about whether to take the vaccine or not, and no efforts are made to compel people to take it, either directly or indirectly, we welcome it.

WHAT THE ACTUAL FUCK IS THIS BULLSHIT, TOBY?

282505 ▶▶ Julian, replying to Ceriain, 7, #1025 of 2452 🔗

Yes, I think a lot of people who post here will disagree with that quite strongly.

I guess they are entitled to their view, but it doesn’t make much sense to me.

For a start, the restrictions were an untried approach with obvious attached harms, so the burden of proof is on the people proposing a novel remedy.

Secondly there is the important point of principle that an emergency approval process for a vaccine is not appropriate given that we do not face an emergency.

And lastly “ it hasn’t been definitively proved that the vaccine is safe. ” Indeed, and no vaccine is 100% safe, and it’s not possible to definitely prove this, ever, but the fact is that the trials have been considerably shorter and less extensive than is normal and this cannot be acceptable given that this is not an emergency.

282678 ▶▶ Banjones, replying to Ceriain, 2, #1026 of 2452 🔗

Yes. People are being manipulated and coerced into this, and of course many will fall for it, and clamour for the vaccine, out of the fear they’ve been filled with.
They need to be protected, as the weak in our society, not encouraged to go and put their lives on the line.

282460 Will, replying to Will, 15, #1027 of 2452 🔗

I think they are in a race against time to get the vaccine into people before the virus disappears because it runs out of hosts who aren’t naturally immune. It is more of a priority in the UK because we are closer to such a situation because we were later to introduce mitigating NPIs in the spring.

282478 ▶▶ leicestersq, replying to Will, 7, #1028 of 2452 🔗

The only argument against that is we know that the PCR test is so error ridden that it can produce all of the false positives needed to keep the epidemic going on for as long as they can be bothered to test.

282674 ▶▶▶ Banjones, replying to leicestersq, #1029 of 2452 🔗

I wonder how Reiner Fuellmich’s action is doing?

282485 ▶▶ Julian, replying to Will, 10, #1030 of 2452 🔗

Absolutely. That’s the reason behind all the lockdowns too. Truly wicked.

282671 ▶▶ Banjones, replying to Will, #1031 of 2452 🔗

Race Against Time = RAT. (See the expression ”smelling a rat”.)

282852 ▶▶ Nigel Sherratt, replying to Will, #1032 of 2452 🔗

The NPIs did nothing in the springtime, that was the curious incident.

282461 alw, 6, #1033 of 2452 🔗

“Emergency approval is a tool normally intended for patients suffering from a serious and incurable disease for whom there is no other means of saving life or physical integrity. This is not the case with Corona.”

https://news.sky.com/story/eu-urged-not-to-follow-uks-hasty-vaccine-approval-lead-as-minister-claims-brexit-victory-12148983

282462 Basics, replying to Basics, 6, #1034 of 2452 🔗

Just a tiny mention about the latest van tam – boris press address. Boris tie is the same purple that keeps popping up. See the kneeling starmer above. London eye illuminated, and woven into live commons coverage by sky, in same colour. Just to mention could be just fashion, is purple the new black?

282471 ▶▶ Darryl, replying to Basics, 3, #1035 of 2452 🔗

There usually seems to be a reason things are done, not many things done by chance, unfortunately we aren’t let into the secrets.

282476 ▶▶ leggy, replying to Basics, 3, #1036 of 2452 🔗

Maybe the elite are Prince fans?

282568 ▶▶▶ Stringfellow Hawke, replying to leggy, 2, #1037 of 2452 🔗

or Jimi Hendrix. Purple Haze all in my brain, lately things don’t seem the same!

282669 ▶▶▶ Banjones, replying to leggy, #1038 of 2452 🔗

”Elite”? Or did you use the word in a wryly ironic way?

282748 ▶▶▶▶ leggy, replying to Banjones, 1, #1039 of 2452 🔗

All perspective isn’t it. I prefer to think of them as megalomaniac psychopaths.

282489 ▶▶ calchas, replying to Basics, 5, #1040 of 2452 🔗

Colour of the Roman emperors. They were ‘raided to the purple’

Federal Reserve Chairman Powell has also begun wearing purple ties.

282517 ▶▶▶ Mark, replying to calchas, 1, #1041 of 2452 🔗

Porphyrogenitus – born in the purple, the imperial colour.

282849 ▶▶ Nigel Sherratt, replying to Basics, 1, #1042 of 2452 🔗

Also Hillary Clinton outfit for her triumph (oops!) in 2016.

282477 Country Mumkin, replying to Country Mumkin, 20, #1043 of 2452 🔗

Currently pretty steaming, although trying to calm down…

* Husbands family won’t go back to mother in laws for Christmas as they feel a risk to her
* Mother in law worried about cases (she’s in tier 3)
* We are the only ones going back so she can have a good time
* Mother in law has asked us all to have a test before we go!

Think I’ll stay home with the cat!

282484 ▶▶ calchas, replying to Country Mumkin, 12, #1044 of 2452 🔗

Refuse to take a test.

Do not support the fear and hysteria.

282718 ▶▶▶ Country Mumkin, replying to calchas, 2, #1045 of 2452 🔗

One must never feed the OCD or anxiety. Every good psychologist would say the same!

282495 ▶▶ thinkaboutit, replying to Country Mumkin, 6, #1046 of 2452 🔗

Could you lie? Would take a bit of bottle, just pretend you are Whitty or Vallance. They do it all the time.

282578 ▶▶▶ Rosie, replying to thinkaboutit, 5, #1047 of 2452 🔗

We are forced to lie. The monster lies told by the establishment mean that, for us to maintain a morally correct position, we have to lie back to the establishment. Bastards. We do need to lie, and to recognise what we are doing and why, and not allow these lies to corrupt our own souls.

You could compare them to white lies told socially to avoid causing distress to friends – but of a stronger moral drive.

282716 ▶▶▶▶ Country Mumkin, replying to Rosie, 2, #1048 of 2452 🔗

I’ll do that if needs be, but I think I can stand strong and tell the truth. She takes us as we are or doesn’t take us.

Do you know, the irony of all of it, is I asked her one Christmas to be honest with me if anyone had flu as I was early stages of a fragile pregnancy and she lied! Just so she could get her family Christmas…!! Families are so difficult sometimes…

282777 ▶▶▶▶▶ Rosie, replying to Country Mumkin, 2, #1049 of 2452 🔗

Right – sounds like she needs to hear the truth from you on this occasion!
Agree, these things are extremely difficult and distressing as well. I’ve had many an occasion when I thought I was being considerate, but I was merely being taken advantage of in a big way.

282798 ▶▶▶▶▶ A. Contrarian, replying to Country Mumkin, 1, #1050 of 2452 🔗

Yes, this kind of thing used to happen to me all the time. “Oh, little Billy has been throwing up all morning but he seems fine now so I still brought him round to play with little Annie.” Bit late to tell me that now, isn’t it…

Fast forward to 2020 when you have to prove that you’re not “positive” for one particular virus, but are free to spread absolutely anything else to absolutely anyone else you fancy.

282499 ▶▶ Cecil B, replying to Country Mumkin, 5, #1051 of 2452 🔗

Come to ours, a family and extended family of uber sceptics

282713 ▶▶▶ Country Mumkin, replying to Cecil B, 3, #1052 of 2452 🔗

Thank you sounds lovely.

Think we need a socialising part of this website so we can meet with like-minded people. I think there’s a real need for it. People are getting really disillusioned by current friendship groups.

282784 ▶▶▶▶▶ Rosie, replying to mattghg, 1, #1054 of 2452 🔗

Four other ways to meet up with local people close to you

 Freedom Network
The Freedom Network is a non-political movement founded with the purpose of reclaiming freedoms taken away by the Coronavirus Act. The Network has established a series of ‘Freedom Hubs’ around the country which provide like-minded lockdown sceptics with an opportunity to make contact with one another.

http://www.thefreedomnetwork.co.uk

Back to Normal
Back to Normal is a leafleting campaign aimed at changing the public’s attitude about lockdowns. Back to Normal leaflets are designed for door-to-door distribution and are currently being distributed all over the country. E-mail backtonormalrh@yahoo.com or visit my-sgf.co.uk for more information.

Unlock (Oxford)
Unlock is a student-led campaign begun at Oxford University. The movement brands lockdowns as ‘irrational and inherently unfair’ and aims raise awareness about the damage they’re doing.

Unlock has a website, http://www.unlock-gb.co.uk , and a social media presence:
@unlockgb on Twitter and @GBUnlock on Facebook

Unlock Surrey
Unlock Surrey is a group of like-minded individuals from across Surrey and south-west London. Beyond a shared opposition to the lockdown, the group is entirely non-partisan and encompasses a broad variety of interests and opinions. Besides simply putting people in touch with one another, Unlock Surrey organises social events and publishes a regular newsletter. E-mail unlock.surrey@protonmail.com for more information.

282564 ▶▶ Lockdown_Lunacy, replying to Country Mumkin, 5, #1055 of 2452 🔗

Honestly, I would tell her no to the test. Indulging her unfounded fears would be counterproductive.

282590 ▶▶▶ Rosie, replying to Lockdown_Lunacy, 3, #1056 of 2452 🔗

I take any opportunity I can to tell people that the test is not fit for purpose and only produces false positives, etc etc

282706 ▶▶▶▶ Country Mumkin, replying to Rosie, 2, #1057 of 2452 🔗

I also intend to do this. Although one of her sons is a woke liberal scientist working at a university. Need I say more!

282666 ▶▶▶ Banjones, replying to Lockdown_Lunacy, 2, #1058 of 2452 🔗

But would that be kind? She may be getting on in years, and if she’s living alone it may prey on her mind when she’s on her own again,
Better to put your own personal antagonism on hold and give her a good time, and peace of mind when you leave her.

282704 ▶▶▶ Country Mumkin, replying to Lockdown_Lunacy, 3, #1059 of 2452 🔗

I intend to do that. She needs to know I’m not ok with this.

282481 JVS, replying to JVS, 14, #1060 of 2452 🔗

Thank you for stating this. Having a quick peruse this morning before leaving on an errand and I honestly thought I’d gone to another site by mistake. My youngest son said this morning he’s getting increasingly unnerved with all this pro-vaccine hallelujah BS. Been struggling to stay upbeat the past week or so and today’s update hasn’t helped. The comments section, on the other hand, is proving a much better read!

282492 ▶▶ Rosie, replying to JVS, 5, #1061 of 2452 🔗

One of my most sceptical friends described the emotional impact of listening to Talk Radio yesterday – raving on about the vaccine – and he found his own emotions joining in the euphoria. He found it a very disturbing experience, switched off at once needless to say.

282524 ▶▶▶ Charlie Blue, replying to Rosie, 5, #1062 of 2452 🔗

That’s very interesting to me, Rosie. I turned it off yesterday because I was so frustrated with the mindless cheerleading – definitely not carried along by it on this occasion but I’m always fascinated by how suggestible human being are (me included, though I hope to a lesser extent than some). Hope your friend has recovered!

282571 ▶▶▶▶ Rosie, replying to Charlie Blue, 5, #1063 of 2452 🔗

He has 🙂
A good chat in a cafe over a cup of coffee did the trick… another example of why they don’t want us to meet and talk in a normal fashion.

282602 ▶▶▶ Jonathan Palmer, replying to Rosie, 3, #1064 of 2452 🔗

He won the battle within himself,he loved big brother

283070 ▶▶▶ JVS, replying to Rosie, #1065 of 2452 🔗

I used to find it scarily easy to get caught up in stuff like this especially when overly tired and distracted but glad to say my BS-detector is constantly fired up these days.

282493 ▶▶ JVS, replying to JVS, 3, #1066 of 2452 🔗

Sorry, that was meant to be a reply to Ceriain – thank you all those stating strongly that today’s update doesn’t feel very lockdown sceptical at all.

282508 ▶▶▶ Ceriain, replying to JVS, #1067 of 2452 🔗

Sorry, JVS; I removed that post and reposted a shorter version of my thoughts.

283059 ▶▶▶▶ JVS, replying to Ceriain, 1, #1068 of 2452 🔗

🙂 that’s ok, saw that shorter version after I’d replied.

282509 ▶▶▶ Rosie, replying to JVS, 1, #1069 of 2452 🔗

It wasn’t difficult to get your meaning, JVS

282519 ▶▶ awildgoose, replying to JVS, 3, #1070 of 2452 🔗

The religious fervor for the vax is all part of the psyop.

283080 ▶▶▶ JVS, replying to awildgoose, #1071 of 2452 🔗

Explained briefly about the 77th of which our odious MP, Ellwood, is a member. Told him to take everything he reads/hears which doesn’t ‘feel’ right with a huge bag of salt.

282542 ▶▶ Julian, replying to JVS, 3, #1072 of 2452 🔗

The comments section, on the other hand, is proving a much better read! ” Thanks – we like to keep it real!

283088 ▶▶▶ JVS, replying to Julian, #1073 of 2452 🔗

🙂 It is the best comments section I’ve come across. I’ve been following this site near enough from the beginning but haven’t commented much (yucky experiences from other sites), always try and read of the comments as I can though.

282494 Cecil B, replying to Cecil B, 5, #1074 of 2452 🔗

Feck, these pathetic halfwits are our future

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-55145375

282548 ▶▶ awildgoose, replying to Cecil B, 1, #1075 of 2452 🔗

Western universities are merely Communist indoctrination centers for the word salad farmers of the future.

Forward, Soviet!

282501 p02099003, replying to p02099003, 4, #1076 of 2452 🔗

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-55169799 up to 99% of hospitalisations and deaths prevented by vaccine (JVT)

282515 ▶▶ Ceriain, replying to p02099003, 11, #1077 of 2452 🔗

As opposed to the current situation: up to 99% of hospitalisations and deaths MADE UP !

282521 ▶▶ leggy, replying to p02099003, 9, #1078 of 2452 🔗

That’s like when you see those signs in shop windows saying “up to 50% off” and when you go in, everything is 10% apart from a pink mankini.

282523 ▶▶ Freecumbria, replying to p02099003, 3, #1079 of 2452 🔗

Given 80%+ of the covid deaths are covid labelled deaths not deaths from covid (albeit it is hard to get the data on this to ascertain the figure), that’s a pretty ridiculous claim.

282531 ▶▶▶ Charlie Blue, replying to Freecumbria, 3, #1080 of 2452 🔗

Presumably those being vaccinated will be forced to sign a promise not to get ill or die from anything else for at least 12 months .

282538 ▶▶▶▶ Freecumbria, replying to Charlie Blue, 4, #1081 of 2452 🔗

And any deaths within 28 days of vaccination won’t be put down as vaccination deaths.

282574 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to p02099003, #1082 of 2452 🔗

He knows the manipulation planned to roll this back now. Dial down the asymptomatic hunt and more clinical assessment before diagnosis. Start testing for flu again.

282647 ▶▶ Banjones, replying to p02099003, #1083 of 2452 🔗

I do wonder why these plonkers think they’re being so clever quoting figures like this that they probably really believe the plebs will fall for. Yes, many do – but there are enough of us who can see through this manipulation and recognising what it is – lying and coercion, big time.
And no doubt when the hospitals become overwhelmed by people suffering vaccine effects, will they blame that on the virus too, calling these cases ”covid related”? ”Hurry up and get your vaccine! Look! The Third Wave has arrived!”

282715 ▶▶ mattghg, replying to p02099003, #1084 of 2452 🔗

“up to”

282502 Rosie, replying to Rosie, 7, #1085 of 2452 🔗

News from France, from Paul Gregory (I mention him occasionally). Another thing that ought to be a spoof, but is not. Already sent to Toby ….

NEWS from France

The following appeared on 2 December 2020 at
http://www.francesoir.fr/politique-france/plainte-penale-pour-genocide-des-francais-contre-macron-ses-ministres-et-son It is also available at medias-presse.info
[By the way: The online paper – or name – FranceSoir has its historical origins as a clandestine newspaper in the years following 1940. It has been bad-mouthed by Le Monde.]

My detailed summary, with excerpts in translation:

>> A Madame Bonny, formerly a military doctor specialising in infectious diseases, who spent eight years in therapy for post-traumatic stress after service in Afghanistan and now works to help others with the condition, concentrating on life narratives and contexts, has filed a complaint in Paris with the criminal courts, also addressing the deputies of both houses of parliament, accusing

President Emmanuel Macron, Agnès Buzyn. Edouard Philippe. Jean Castex, Gérald Darmanin, Olivier Veran and others (these include prime ministers, minister of the interior, minister of health) of

GENOCIDE against the People of France.

The text has also been transmitted in German, English, Spanish, Italian, Danish and Dutch, but I have been unable to find these versions – I suspect they are not yet publicly available. For this reason here the essence of the 1000-word submission.
After introducing herself and addressing by name and function those concerned, Mme Bonny begins by speaking of the long-lasting psychological harm done by the measures, which she enumerates [and with which we are all too familiar]:

“Since January 2000 our country has suffered an intolerable persecution made of terror fed by imprecise or contradictory information and by measures of all kinds such as social distancing, masks which were first dismissed then became obligatory, different lockdowns, curfews. obligation to remain at home without care in the event of symptoms, the dramas in the care homes, closure by administrative decree of shops, pubs, restaurants and dance halls, of cinemas and theatres, prohibition of get-togethers, being thrown into unemployment, remote working and learning, et cetera.

“This has been paid for by dreadful economic, social, cultural, spiritual, educational and scientific harm: All of these measures are a source of psychological trauma which will have more & more consequences (isolation, violence, burn-out, depression, poisoning by medicaments and narcotics, substance abuse, suicide). In particular, young generations are being deprived of access to knowledge, which they will never catch up on, and the very small ones in particular are at peril since they are being deprived of phases which are essential to developing their humanity (from their very first breath until the years of language-learning and socialisation).

“Serious questions must be asked of the arguments for the medical regulations. Numerous scientists have raised objections, in vain, against an administrative system which is blind; one cannot rule out either the machinations of corruption in a pharmaceutical industry focussed exclusively on the thirst for profit, nor the deliberate will of an invisible enemy which has used the health crisis as a pretext.
“It is necessary to establish this latter matter through an independent, serious and objective inquiry and, in particular, to render transparent the conflicts of interest between those in government and the senior civil service and those in the pharmaceutical lobby.”

Among the many offences at issue, the most important and clearest to be established is that found in article 211-1 of the criminal code:

“A genocide is constituted by the fact, in execution of a concerted plan for the total or partial destruction of a national, ethic, racial or religious group, or of a group defined by any other arbitrary criterion, against the members of this group, any of the following deeds:
– deliberate attacks on life
– grave attacks on physical or psychological integrity
– imposition of living conditions which are likely to bring about the total or partial destruction of the group
– measures to hinder births
– forced adoption of children.
Genocide is punished by life imprisonment.”

This is why
[legal details] in the event of a President of the Republic evidently failing to fulfil his (her) duties, i.e. of their acting in a manner incompatible with the exercise of their mandate, the High Court may pronounce the removal from office of the Head of State.
The initiative for this procedure belongs to one tenth of the parliamentarians of one or the other chamber, which …. [description of legal procedures]

282506 ▶▶ Rosie, replying to Rosie, 10, #1086 of 2452 🔗

(Continued …)

Madame Bonny proceeds to enumerate the French laws that have been contravened.
The penalty for genocide is life imprisonment.

She calls on separate legal and constitutional authorities to take measures [differentiated according to the law] to initiate proceedings against
The President of the Republic, Emmanual MACRON
…and…
the prime ministers, health ministers and interior ministers…. namely Agnès BUZYN, Edouard PHILIPPE, Jean CASTEX, Gérald DARMANIN, Olivier VERAN, and all those who may be be determined by the Inquiry to be co-responsible.

Appeal to the Prosecutor of the Republic to open an Inquiry to determine negligence and intentionality and to require the necessary investigations.

30 november 2020 Marion BONNY <<

282551 ▶▶▶ theanalyst, replying to Rosie, 2, #1087 of 2452 🔗

Great!

282658 ▶▶▶ George L, replying to Rosie, 2, #1088 of 2452 🔗

Thank you for that Rosie.. I’m at present in UK but my home is in France. I’m keeping in touch with the situation over there, and have to say it actually sounds like its worse than here in many ways.

I have to get back fairly soon for various reasons, and am really concerned by the talk of vaccine passports which would be the end of travel between France and UK for me.. because there’s no way I’ll be taking that vaccine. With family in UK that’s going to be a hell of a decision to make..

282774 ▶▶▶▶ Rosie, replying to George L, 1, #1089 of 2452 🔗

Oh dear, sorry for you. Mike Yeadon is stuck in France at present for similar reasons.
Suggest you contact Paul Gregory. He lives in France and is assembling a french language covid page on his website.
http://www.fuzzydemocracy.eu/english&nbsp ;
and
http://www.klasseverantwortung.de/english&nbsp ;

282504 John P, replying to John P, 18, #1090 of 2452 🔗

Vaccines are not administered to sick people who are already infected.

They are given to healthy people who have not been infected.

That is why it is vital that they are completely safe and have no side effects. Because there is not any guarantee that a healthy person will ever become infected in the first place.

The purpose of vaccines is to prevent infection. They do that by training the body’s immune system to recognise an invader. They don’t treat symptoms!

It’s like this.

Imagine that your body is the Wild West and the virus is Billy the Kid on the loose. But nobody knows what he looks like. So before you realise he is around he has wreaked havoc in your town and your life is in danger.

An effective vaccine is like a photofit. Everyone sees what the outlaw looks like before he arrives and he’s instantly recognised and killed as soon as he sets foot in your town. Before he has time to do any damage. He’s dead. And he’s not going on to any other town.

One of Dr Mike Yeadon’s concerns is over the risk of infertility. To extend the analogy, the suggestion is that the Pfizer vaccine “fotofit” is of a poor quality and the image resembles one of the good guys. And that could be very dangerous of the good guy is attacked instead of or as well as the bad guy.

It is so important to understand the difference between a drug – which treats the symptoms of infection or whichdirectly kills the agent causing an infection – and a vaccine which doesn’t kill anything directly but which is instead supposed to help the body prevent infection from arising in the first place.

Vaccines (if they work) do not kill a virus, they train the immune system to kill it. That is to say, they help the body to become immune.

I fear that public ignorance about this will be exploited to make the case for a mass vaccination programme that is not necessary. There is no point in giving a vaccine to someone who has already recovered from infection. Because they are immune by definition.

If you get an infection and have recovered then that means that your immune system has killed the invader and conferred immunity upon you. (If you have no immune system even a puny cold will kill you.)

Immunity also means that you cannot pass on a virus. Any viral particle that enters the body of an immune individual will be instantly killed. It cannot become established. You cannot become infected. And you cannot pass on a virus that you have not been infected by. That’s fundamental.

Why give a vaccine to someone who is already immune? It’s pointless. And if a vaccine is not 100% safe then it’s dangerous.

282507 ▶▶ John P, replying to John P, #1091 of 2452 🔗

* Adapted from a post I made late last night *

282688 ▶▶ Steve Hayes, replying to John P, -4, #1092 of 2452 🔗

Metaphors and analogies are just fictions. And your fiction is that a virus can be killed. It cannot because a virus is not alive.

283403 ▶▶ JamesDrebin, replying to John P, #1093 of 2452 🔗

Excellent analogy.

282522 Cecil B, replying to Cecil B, 3, #1094 of 2452 🔗

Moscow Plague Riots 1771

The first outbursts of mass protest against the measures undertaken by the authorities took place on August 29 and September 1 in a neighborhood of Lefortovo . By early September, the rumors of an imminent uprising had already been circulating. An attempt by the Archbishop Ambrose of Moscow to prevent the citizens from gathering at the Icon of the Virgin Mary of Bogolyubovo ( Икона Боголюбской Богоматери ) in Kitai-gorod as a quarantine measure served as an immediate cause for the Plague Riot. On September 15, huge crowds of Muscovites began to flow towards Red Square at the sound of the alarm bell. Pushing aside a military unit, they burst into the Kremlin and destroyed the Chudov Monastery ( archbishop ‘s residence) and its wine cellars . Archbishop Ambrosius managed to escape to the Donskoy Monastery .

282539 ▶▶ Cecil B, replying to Cecil B, 1, #1095 of 2452 🔗

On September 16, the riot gained in strength. Angry citizens captured the Donskoy Monastery, killed Archbishop Ambrosius, and destroyed two quarantine zones ( Danilov Monastery and the one beyond the Serpukhov Gates ).

282667 ▶▶▶ Mr Dee, replying to Cecil B, #1096 of 2452 🔗

A warning from history for Justin Welby…

282670 ▶▶▶▶ Mr Dee, replying to Mr Dee, 1, #1097 of 2452 🔗

Watt Tyler’s crew beheaded the archbishop of London, I seem to recall. Is it because they’re easy targets? Or is it the silly hats?

282525 Ethelred the Unready, replying to Ethelred the Unready, 8, #1098 of 2452 🔗

Vaccine rollout, Brexit sellout, coincidence?

282529 ▶▶ leggy, replying to Ethelred the Unready, 5, #1099 of 2452 🔗

Nope.

282543 ▶▶▶ Ethelred the Unready, replying to leggy, 3, #1100 of 2452 🔗

BBC lunchtime news wallah reporting on the vaccine rollout from….yep, Brussels

282552 ▶▶ Ethelred the Unready, replying to Ethelred the Unready, 2, #1101 of 2452 🔗

“Rollout to Sellout” © 😁

282569 ▶▶ RickH, replying to Ethelred the Unready, 1, #1102 of 2452 🔗

Yawn.

Brexit = Total Irrelevance. Always was. Still is.

282663 ▶▶▶ Ethelred the Unready, replying to RickH, 1, #1103 of 2452 🔗

Yawn? Have a nice nap if your brain is sleepy

282527 leggy, replying to leggy, 3, #1104 of 2452 🔗

A one minute piece on Sky News Australia calling out the great reset for what it is.

https://youtu.be/uanVLLkyAMk?t=288

282648 ▶▶ peter, replying to leggy, 3, #1105 of 2452 🔗

Good luck anyone injecting babies into themselves to combat a fake virus.

282530 calchas, 1, #1106 of 2452 🔗

https://twitter.com/dwtruthwarrior/status/1334211877161713664

Denis Rancourt interview – 102 mins.

Very good especially on how science works.

282535 Sarigan, replying to Sarigan, 12, #1107 of 2452 🔗

Psychological warfare 101:

282557 ▶▶ Jo, replying to Sarigan, 6, #1108 of 2452 🔗

I would like to sack the Govt minister responsible as a shock tactic to remind them that they shouldn’t be playing with people’s live(lihood)s.

282563 ▶▶ RickH, replying to Sarigan, 2, #1109 of 2452 🔗

Well – it didn’t work very well, did it?

282594 ▶▶▶ Mark, replying to RickH, 2, #1110 of 2452 🔗

On the contrary – it worked brilliantly.

Purpose – spread fear and justify panic measures that people wouldn’t otherwise accept. Outcome – Goal achieved

282573 ▶▶ Tenchy, replying to Sarigan, 3, #1111 of 2452 🔗

Bastards there as well as here.

282585 ▶▶ Ben, replying to Sarigan, 4, #1112 of 2452 🔗

Nope. It’s to destroy the economy for the World Economic Forum’s Great Reset

282709 ▶▶ mattghg, replying to Sarigan, 1, #1113 of 2452 🔗

Yep. Now do masks!

282536 Ethelred the Unready, replying to Ethelred the Unready, 14, #1114 of 2452 🔗

The media is giddy and foaming with excitement over the vaccine’s arrival, suspiciously so. It just feels like this is all part of a script, a game being played-out. Is this The Truman Show made real?

282546 ▶▶ Eddy, replying to Ethelred the Unready, 8, #1115 of 2452 🔗

Some of us knew in April that the vaccine had already been made. Interesting to see how it’s panning out. The sheeple are loving it of course.

What are the odds on the BBC showing long lines of people queuing up for the Jab in January?

282561 ▶▶▶ Banjones, replying to Eddy, 7, #1116 of 2452 🔗

It reminds me of a description in one of my favourite books ”The Worst Journey In The World” about a study of Emperor penguins – they’d line up on an ice shelf gazing into the waters below looking for predators, then one would be shoved off the shelf, and the others would peer down to see if it survived – and if so they’d all jump in.
Let’s call it the penguin syndrome.

282570 ▶▶▶▶ Eddy, replying to Banjones, 1, #1117 of 2452 🔗

Brilliant.

282621 ▶▶▶▶ Harry hopkins, replying to Banjones, 2, #1118 of 2452 🔗

‘The worst journey in the world’

A fantastic book penned by a man with an equally fantastic name: Apsley Cherry-Garrard. A gentleman straight out of the period when success could only be measured by the amount of personal hardship endured to achieve it.

282665 ▶▶▶▶ Mr Dee, replying to Banjones, 1, #1119 of 2452 🔗

A canny predator would learn not to pick off the first one in the water…

282537 Eddy, replying to Eddy, 6, #1120 of 2452 🔗

I was going to go for a 7 night holiday to New Zealand but the 14 days quarantine on arrival would have messed that up.

282550 ▶▶ Banjones, replying to Eddy, 12, #1121 of 2452 🔗

I do wonder if there is any consideration given by the PTB in NZ about what happens when they ”open up”. What a perfect excuse for their loony lefty government to keep all the plebs under strict control for ever more. I wonder too how many New Zealanders have cottoned on to this? Or do they think a vaccine will save them?
It’s like Mike Yeadon says – hiding from the virus is like hiding from the weather. It’ll still be there when you come out.

282580 ▶▶ arfurmo, replying to Eddy, 7, #1122 of 2452 🔗

God knows how anyone copes long haul with a gag on .

282925 ▶▶▶ Bobblybob, replying to arfurmo, 1, #1123 of 2452 🔗

G&T, G&T, G&T, ad nauseum. That’s how I cope with long hauls anyway

282540 Major Panic, replying to Major Panic, 11, #1124 of 2452 🔗

I’ve just re-read the vaccine article at the beginning of todays Lockdown Sceptics – and it seems well written and balanced to me. There are plenty of lockdown sceptics who will happily take the vaccine. I wont because I have a functioning immune system, i don’t bother with flu vaccines either because I don’t get flu, thanks to my immune systems.

And – Provided it is left entirely up to the individual about whether to take the vaccine or not, and no efforts are made to compel people to take it, either directly or indirectly, we welcome it.” – seems fine to me. It is not for me to tell others not to take the vaccine if they chose.

282549 ▶▶ Jo, replying to Major Panic, 8, #1125 of 2452 🔗

I agree. But the nasty part of me (which has grown “exponentially” since March) is actually glad there is a vaccine and lots of people want to take it.
I think they are fools but the other thing I think is that people will become less willing to carry on with the charade once they and their families have the vaccine.
Then it just might be that the Govt will be forced to stop the restrictions on us, whatever Van Tam says.
I hope I’m right.

282560 ▶▶▶ Major Panic, replying to Jo, 5, #1126 of 2452 🔗

if people do their own due diligence and chose to take the vaccine, and this brings the end of restrictions – well bring it on…

and the best of British to the vaccinated

282644 ▶▶▶▶ Will, replying to Major Panic, 2, #1127 of 2452 🔗

Good luck to them I won’t be joining them until the vaccine has been granted FULL rather than emergency approval by every jurisdiction.

282643 ▶▶▶ jb12, replying to Jo, 6, #1128 of 2452 🔗

I think is that people will become less willing to carry on with the charade once they and their families have the vaccine.

They won’t. They’ll take it and Thinking Box will tell them it needs to be repeated twice- nay, thrice a year, and they will queue up 2 metres apart with their muzzles attached and their sleeve rolled up hoping that their phone allows them into the pub that night.

282556 ▶▶ Freecumbria, replying to Major Panic, 16, #1129 of 2452 🔗

It’s the misapplication of the precautionary principle that has annoyed most people

In my view lockdown is the untried and untested approach, and the precautionary principle says that we shouldn’t lockdown because there is no evidence it saves any lives and plenty of evidence that it continues to destroy businesses and takes lives. What are your thoughts on that?

282587 ▶▶▶ Julian, replying to Freecumbria, 6, #1130 of 2452 🔗

lockdown is the untried and untested approach” Absolutely. Burden of proof (unmet) has always been on those who support it.

282588 ▶▶▶ OKUK, replying to Freecumbria, 4, #1131 of 2452 🔗

Totally agree. It’s new, unproven and all the evidence suggests it’s highly damaging. Historically we have had quarantine for foreigners and
closure of centres of msss entertainment as responses to pandemics. We should have with that tried and tested approach (instead people from abroad were free to travel with no quarantine until mid March I think it was.

282597 ▶▶▶ Major Panic, replying to Freecumbria, 7, #1132 of 2452 🔗

lockdown was an experiment – it failed and should never have been attempted.

I was with Boris with the pre march lockdown policy – stay home if ill, wash hands, shield vulnerable properly – that would have worked just fine.

282616 ▶▶▶▶ Freecumbria, replying to Major Panic, #1133 of 2452 🔗

Thanks. Was interested in which part of the article you agreed with.

282637 ▶▶▶▶▶ Major Panic, replying to Freecumbria, -2, #1134 of 2452 🔗

the bit i put in italics
the article didn’t seem to be taking a position – it was balanced

282558 ▶▶ RickH, replying to Major Panic, 8, #1135 of 2452 🔗

Agreed. I wouldn’t ‘tell’ anybody not to take the vaccine. But I would make sure they knew all the caveats and suspicious circumstances surrounding it – particularly the abandonment of normal safety protocols, and the clear lack of independence of the MHRA.

282654 ▶▶▶ Will, replying to RickH, 1, #1136 of 2452 🔗

It is the British exceptionalism which I have been highlighting. That and that poll in the medical magazine showing a large proportion of doctors are vaccine sceptical.

282566 ▶▶ Tenchy, replying to Major Panic, 3, #1137 of 2452 🔗

I’m an arch lockdown sceptic, but after a vaccine has been thoroughly tested by the NHS and political lab rats, I would probably take it if the ‘rona hadn’t disappeared of its own accord.

BTW, I see JVT is now “the nation’s favourite scientist”, according to The Telegraph. LOL!

282612 ▶▶▶ Miss Owl, replying to Tenchy, 6, #1138 of 2452 🔗

Aren’t they just wheeling him out more because they sense that the plebs have seen through Vaccine and Witless?

282646 ▶▶▶▶ jb12, replying to Miss Owl, 3, #1139 of 2452 🔗

Yes.

282627 ▶▶▶ vargas99, replying to Tenchy, 5, #1140 of 2452 🔗

He may well be the new “fave” but as far as I’m concerned the fact that he has to resort to football analogies makes him as stupid as his adoring audience

282579 ▶▶ OKUK, replying to Major Panic, 6, #1141 of 2452 🔗

There is though a public health issue. Some scientists – possibly many – believe that if you successfully vaccinate against well established respiratory pathogens, you create opportunities for novel pathogens to get a hold in old people’s lungs (which sadly do not become magically young through vaccination). Some believe SARS got a grip because of mass flu vaccination. That seems highly plausible.

We were lucky really that Covid was not s truly lethal pathogen like the Spanish flu, which successfully attacked young and healthy people as well as the old and sick.

From that point of view Covid vaccination can be seen as a selfish and irresponsible act that, replicated billions of times across the planet, could lead to a new and truly deadly pathogen emerging.

282653 ▶▶▶ Hieronimusb, replying to OKUK, 2, #1142 of 2452 🔗

Antibiotics..

282601 ▶▶ Julian, replying to Major Panic, 12, #1143 of 2452 🔗

It is not for me to tell others not to take the vaccine if they chose.” Indeed. However:
1) Vaccines should be taken with informed consent. Does anyone really think that balanced information has been given to the public regarding the benefits and harms of this vaccine?
2) A lot of public money is being spent on this, which would arguably be better spent on other public health measures.
3) The purpose of it is as political cover, allowing the true horror of the lies to be hidden forever, and leaving us open to another round of this madness the next time a new virus emerges.
For these reasons I believe it is right to strongly oppose this.

282633 ▶▶▶ Major Panic, replying to Julian, 5, #1144 of 2452 🔗

well I’m not medically trained or a scientist and I’ve worked out that I don’t need it, people can do their own research – its not for me to tell them that what they believe is wrong.

There are 9 of us off to Verbier in Jan skiing, most of us got together for a chat a couple of weeks ago, and everyone was clear, of their own thinking, they did not want/need the vaccine.

One of my mates is on the shielding list because he has a medical condition – (but he’s ignored all the bollocks from day 1) – said he would take a vaccine if people were walking about with blood coming out of their eyes and dropping dead on the street – but they’re not.

282652 ▶▶▶▶ jb12, replying to Major Panic, 1, #1145 of 2452 🔗

well I’m not medically trained or a scientist

A perfect candidate to inject the sheeple!

282659 ▶▶▶▶▶ Major Panic, replying to jb12, 1, #1146 of 2452 🔗

does it pay well? and can i enjoy it?

282790 ▶▶▶▶ Mabel Cow, replying to Major Panic, 1, #1147 of 2452 🔗

The trouble with people doing their own research is that they rarely get past the BBC home page or the first page of Google results.

Try typing “Should I take the COVID vaccine?” into Google. Every single search result says “YES! IT’S THE NUMBER ONE GLOBAL PRIORITY! DO IT!”.

Telling people to research it for themselves is likely to result in more appetite for the vaccine, not less.

282628 ▶▶ KBuchanan, replying to Major Panic, 1, #1148 of 2452 🔗

Except that am 100% certain that it is all about the certificate to travel – so a 2 tier population Uber and unter mensch if you will. So if no one or very few take it up then the real control the population idea is out there.

282660 ▶▶▶ Major Panic, replying to KBuchanan, 1, #1149 of 2452 🔗

Yep thats a big worry
but a mate did point out that if it is made mandatory for travel we still have ‘the internet’ where you can purchase anything

282553 Tenchy, replying to Tenchy, 5, #1150 of 2452 🔗

The Telegraph live feed (free):

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/global-health/science-and-disease/coronavirus-news-covid-pfizer-vaccine-uk-nhs-tiers-cases-deaths/

By hook or by crook, they’re going to get this:

WHO exploring ‘e-vaccination certificates’ for travellers

An interesting snippet here – the World Health Organization is investigating the prospects of using e-vaccination certificates for international travellers.

A WHO medical expert said at a briefing this morning that “immunity passports” for those who have recovered from Covid-19 are not recommended. But other options are on the cards.

“We are looking very closely into the use of technology in this Covid-19 response, one of them how we can work with member states toward an e-vaccination certificate,” he told a virtual briefing in Copenhagen.

282565 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to Tenchy, 4, #1151 of 2452 🔗

Shockingly brazen this stuff.

282638 ▶▶▶ jb12, replying to BeBopRockSteady, #1152 of 2452 🔗

Shockingly incompetent, I hear.

282584 ▶▶ G.Fawkes, replying to Tenchy, 11, #1153 of 2452 🔗

They are bringing the hammer down of a sudden, going balls deep, stepping on the gas, full speed ahead and damn the torpedos. A bit hasty like, you might say.

Perhaps the 100th monkey is pulling on his underpants and socks, perhaps the credit markets are about to crater, or for the more conspiratorially minded, perhaps the veil is about to be lifted.

Either way, they seem to be in a hurry to get this shitshow on the road. Panicked, even.

Curiouser and curiouser.

282613 ▶▶▶ TheBigman, replying to G.Fawkes, 3, #1154 of 2452 🔗

G.Fawkes.

The veil has lifted, it will become more apparent within the next 10 years.

282593 ▶▶ leggy, replying to Tenchy, 2, #1155 of 2452 🔗

They’re not investigating it at all. The plan for it has been in place for at least months, probably years.

282661 ▶▶▶ OKUK, replying to leggy, #1156 of 2452 🔗

And what do you thonk of the plan?

282739 ▶▶▶▶ leggy, replying to OKUK, #1157 of 2452 🔗

You pissed again?

282555 vargas99, replying to vargas99, 3, #1158 of 2452 🔗
282699 ▶▶ Martin_L, replying to vargas99, 1, #1159 of 2452 🔗

Personally, I prefer “The Pusher” by Steppenwolf

“You know, I’ve seen a lot of people walkin’ ’round
With tombstones in their eyes
But the pusher don’t care
Ah, if you live or if you die”

https://www.azlyrics.com/lyrics/steppenwolf/thepusher.html

282562 godowneasy, replying to godowneasy, 5, #1160 of 2452 🔗

Interesting development? From RTE via Reuters – don’t get too excited by the title alone:

WHO does not recommend Covid-19 ‘immunity passports’ https://www.rte.ie/news/2020/1203/1182107-covid-world-health-organization/

Excerpts:

  • The World Health Organization does not recommend countries issuing “immunity passports” for those who have recovered from Covid-19, but is investigating the prospects of using e-vaccination certificates, a WHO medical expert has said.
  • “We are looking very closely into the use of technology in this Covid-19 response, one of them how we can work with member states toward an e-vaccination certificate,” he told a virtu al briefing in Copenhagen.
  • Dr Kluge said figures suggest that in most countries fewer than one in ten people have been infected with the virus so the vast majority are still susceptible.
  • He appealed to people not to be part of a misinformation campaign and urged everyone to seek reliable information from trustworthy sources saying “vaccines save lives, fear endangers them”.

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If I understand this, the e-vaccination certificate is the same thing as the immunity passport, but only valid via vaccination? Further confirmation from the WHO that natural immunity is no longer valid?

282572 ▶▶ Voz 0db, replying to godowneasy, 8, #1161 of 2452 🔗

All the MFs working at WHO have the same mindset…
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282576 ▶▶ arfurmo, replying to godowneasy, 4, #1162 of 2452 🔗

I think the difference is that if you have had Covid, you don’t get a “free” pass. Similarly if for whatever reason you could never catch Covid, you also don’t get the “free” pass but have to have a needless jab. Mad or what ? But that is the WHO for you.

282609 ▶▶ TheBigman, replying to godowneasy, 4, #1163 of 2452 🔗

Imagine my shock at the NWO , sorry, WHO stating that only an injection will get you to travel.

IMMUNITY IS HIGHER THAN 10%

They are seeing who their puppets are and who aren’t. ‘Civil’ wars will be created if this idea goes mandatory.

Also hasn’t anyone taken into consideration the damage to the economy that this will do?? Let us say that only 20% won’t take it (an obvious low-ball to make people think what is the point of resistance) that is 20% of the population that won’t spend in restaurants, bars, cinemas etc etc. Once you stop doing certain things it becomes a habit soon enough. If you ran a business would you not let 20% of custom through the door for making their own decision regarding their own health?

282620 ▶▶▶ Charlie Blue, replying to TheBigman, -1, #1164 of 2452 🔗

You might not let them in if a big chunk of the other 80% abandoned you as a result of doing so.

282586 Evelyn, replying to Evelyn, 7, #1165 of 2452 🔗

Good post by John Ward on his The Slog blog today. Gives link through to government website… MHRA state that very common side-effects from the vaccine (1 or more in 10) are arthralgia (joint pain), myalgia (muscle pain), pyrexia, fatigue, headache, injection site pain….. and that’s just for starters.

282608 ▶▶ G.Fawkes, replying to Evelyn, 7, #1166 of 2452 🔗

As if threats, intimidation, the 77th brigade, Kuenssberg, house arrest, manufacturer indemnity, drug trial death and injury, and hand waving away all and any concerns or proper testing didn’t already have me enthusiastically lining up, arm bared in preperation, champing furiously at the bit… along comes this new and compelling other reason to get the jab. I’m positivly effervescent now. I might even explode. Just give it to me already! Gnnnn!

Bloody hell.

282611 ▶▶ Will, replying to Evelyn, 4, #1167 of 2452 🔗

All of which might be worth it if the vaccine stopped transmission of the virus, which it doesn’t.

It would also be worth it if the virus was dangerous enough to warrant the risk/ discomfort which, for a mid forty year old with no comorbidities and, more than one blood relative with autoimmune conditions, it most certainly isn’t.

282727 ▶▶▶ Ceriain, replying to Freecumbria, 3, #1169 of 2452 🔗

Thanks.

As with any vaccine, COVID-19 mRNA Vaccine BNT162b2 may not fully protect all those who receive it. No data are currently available in individuals with a weakened immune system or who are taking chronic treatment that suppresses or prevents immune responses .

Well, that’s me out; I’m both of those.

Plus, I ain’t taking something where “No data are currently available…”

282763 ▶▶▶ Evelyn, replying to Freecumbria, 1, #1170 of 2452 🔗

Thanks.

282858 ▶▶ Bobblybob, replying to Evelyn, #1171 of 2452 🔗

Adverse reactions from clinical studies Adverse reactions reported in clinical studies are listed in this section per MedDRA system organ class, in decreasing order of frequency and seriousness. The frequency is defined as follows: very common (≥ 1/10), common (≥ 1/100 to < 1/10), uncommon (≥ 1/1,000 to < 1/100), rare (≥ 1/10,000 to < 1/1,000), very rare (< 1/10,000), not known (cannot be estimated from available data).
Blood and lymphatic system disorders Uncommon: Lymphadenopathy
Nervous system disorders Very common: Headache
Musculoskeletal and connective tissue disorders Very common: Arthralgia; myalgia
General disorders and administration site conditions Very common: Injection-site pain; fatigue; chills; pyrexia 7 Common: Redness at injection site; injection site swelling Uncommon: Malaise
Gastrointestinal disorders Common Nausea

https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/940565/Information_for_Healthcare_Professionals_on_Pfizer_BioNTech_COVID-19_vaccine.pdf

Lists the ingredients too

282589 Mike, replying to Mike, 62, #1172 of 2452 🔗

Sat in the office at the moment, listening to a covid zealot celebrating having an argument with his father in-law over the new vaccine roll out. His in-law is in his 60’s, some others that he knows are in their 80’s or have health issues and all have said they wont take the vaccine. This guys apoplectic.

This guy has basically put them down as un-educated morons who know nothing about science and simply cant understand how a vaccine could be made safe in such a short space of time. I’d say they have more than a little reason to be at least a little concerned and ultimately its their choice what they do or dont do.

anyway, he quite proudly announced that;’I told my in-law, if you don’t take the vaccine then I really don’t care if you die from Covid’.
What a disgusting shit… His reason for such a statement being that ‘we’re doing this to keep you safe, we’re all suffering lock down to keep you safe from the virus. You should take the vaccine so we can all come out of lockdown’.

How on earth do you even reason with these people. this guy has been wearing masks in the office since before masks were mandated. Its people like this that scare the crap out of me. They are irredeemable.

282599 ▶▶ leggy, replying to Mike, 29, #1173 of 2452 🔗

A virtue signalling, scientifically illiterate prick by the sounds of things. In my experience, there’s no reasoning with them. It’s like the arguments hardcore remainers/leavers had for the last years. No one at the extremes of a topic ever converts the other – the battle is always won with the middle ground.

282604 ▶▶ Julian, replying to Mike, 6, #1174 of 2452 🔗

We’re all in this together 🙂

282607 ▶▶ vargas99, replying to Mike, 22, #1175 of 2452 🔗

Try spraying his mask with piss when he’s not looking – see if he still, likes wearing it then

282619 ▶▶▶ Mike, replying to vargas99, 7, #1176 of 2452 🔗

Tempting

282623 ▶▶▶▶ Mike, replying to Mike, 12, #1177 of 2452 🔗

That being said, If I told him the liquid drenching his soggy mask was actually a new antiviral spray we’re now using at work he’d probably ask for a bottle to take home.
Now their is an idea…

282642 ▶▶▶▶▶ vargas99, replying to Mike, 9, #1178 of 2452 🔗

Hahahaha! I think you may have spotted a new market – should we crowdfund it? Cat’s piss would also be quite good.

282680 ▶▶▶ PompeyJunglist, replying to vargas99, 7, #1179 of 2452 🔗

It would be damp so he’d notice. Just rub it inbetween your arse cheeks when he’s not wearing it.

282618 ▶▶ RickH, replying to Mike, 14, #1180 of 2452 🔗

How on earth do you even reason with these people”

You don’t. They have no grasp of rationality as a concept.

282629 ▶▶ G.Fawkes, replying to Mike, 7, #1181 of 2452 🔗

Have some sympathy. Perhaps he doesn’t even realise that he was put on this Earth solely as a warning to others.

282634 ▶▶ jb12, replying to Mike, 3, #1182 of 2452 🔗

Why don’t you tell him to shut it?

282924 ▶▶▶ Monty Bodkin, replying to jb12, 2, #1183 of 2452 🔗

Or stuff his nappy down his throat?

282657 ▶▶ Dame Lynet, replying to Mike, 5, #1184 of 2452 🔗

He is a good recruiter for sceptics, waverers will look at him and not like what they see.

282734 ▶▶ Bill Grates, replying to Mike, 4, #1185 of 2452 🔗

We can only hope this is a test to winnow out the stupid/gullible members of society.
But it could be a double bluff …

282743 ▶▶▶ HelzBelz, replying to Bill Grates, #1186 of 2452 🔗

.

282742 ▶▶ thinkaboutit, replying to Mike, 5, #1187 of 2452 🔗

Clearly all that oxygen deprivation has addled his brain.

282744 ▶▶ HelzBelz, replying to Mike, 4, #1188 of 2452 🔗

How do you reason with them? No point. Can’t argue with stupid!

283266 ▶▶ Ben, replying to Mike, 4, #1189 of 2452 🔗

We are responsible for our own health. I read this article this morning. I’m clear I won’t have the vaccine when an ex vice president of Pfizer and a professor have concerns

https://2020news.de/en/dr-wodarg-and-dr-yeadon-request-a-stop-of-all-corona-vaccination-studies-and-call-for-co-signing-the-petition/

If Covid was indeed deadly, then I would rather live freely and risk dying from it. Staying safe is not living

Staying safe is a perpetual coma of fear and compliance. A prison for the healthy

282591 TheBigman, replying to TheBigman, 26, #1190 of 2452 🔗

Medical tyranny is replacing the “war on terrorism”. PNAC (Project for a New American Century) stated that only medical emergencies could generate the fear and amounts of money that the “war on terror” creates. Simply put, more people are worried about a medical emergency than they are about terrorism. Don’t be surprised if there is a more lethal virus released…yes RELEASED in the years to come. This is all a test, and so far we are failing.

To anyone getting the vaccine please note that for all vaccines the after effects kick in from around 12-14 weeks onwards. Not the 4 weeks the industry gives themselves. Most ‘side-effects’ (real effects) may go unnoticed for years.

THIS IS A POLITICAL VACCINE HENCE THE SUGGESTED RESTRICTIONS TO ANYONE WHO DOES NOT COMPLY!

WAKE UP!

282610 ▶▶ Darryl, replying to TheBigman, 9, #1191 of 2452 🔗

I suspect we will have some traffic light level for ‘pandemics’ forever a bit like the ‘terrorism threat’ level (it will never go to a low level). Just another tool for the elite few to control the sheep. Permanent treat – real or not.

282687 ▶▶▶ kenadams, replying to Darryl, 3, #1192 of 2452 🔗

I suspect this too. It depends on how that actually impacts on people’s lives though. The terrorism one being ‘high’ since 9/11 hasn’t bothered people, including me, because all it’s really meant, on a day to day level, is queuing slightly longer to get through security at an airport. If it had meant needing to wear a mask all day every day I really do hope that people would have risen up against it. But, I am continually disappointed by people these days.

282864 ▶▶▶▶ Darryl, replying to kenadams, 3, #1193 of 2452 🔗

The real change after 9/11 was the massive increase size in the surveillance state behind the scenes which most of the population is completely unaware of. There isn’t a lot they don’t know about most people these days.

282729 ▶▶ Bill Grates, replying to TheBigman, 3, #1194 of 2452 🔗

Many people know this , many have known since before the whole thing officially kicked off.
The problem is the vast majority of people don’t know, don’t want to know. We are in the box car on a runaway train and cannot get to the engine. In the absence of a popular movement spontaneously appearing survive however you can. The“decade of vaccines is here.

282598 DRW, replying to DRW, 18, #1195 of 2452 🔗

Spoke to a mildly sceptical friend yesterday. For the first time her relatives won’t be coming for Christmas because of mutual fears about the olds, all MSM believers unsuprisingly. So they’ll all be having screen Christmas dinners, what joy. We both agreed we underestimate our families abilities to continually disappoint.

282630 ▶▶ jb12, replying to DRW, 8, #1196 of 2452 🔗

People are seriously going to spend Christmas on Zoom?

282651 ▶▶▶ DRW, replying to jb12, 8, #1197 of 2452 🔗

Yes. Sheepishness knows no ends.

282655 ▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to jb12, 6, #1198 of 2452 🔗

There will be Christmas gatherings over Zoom. I should know because my department is planning one. I’ll pass.

282605 Fingerache Philip., replying to Fingerache Philip., 18, #1199 of 2452 🔗

Jersey goes into “total lockdown” over Christmas because of “a minority of people not obeying the rules”; Change the BLOODY record, won’t yer?”.

282624 ▶▶ G.Fawkes, replying to Fingerache Philip., 6, #1200 of 2452 🔗

Not obeying the rules?!!!

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283117 ▶▶ Ben, replying to Fingerache Philip., 1, #1201 of 2452 🔗

I bet politicians in Jersey have been breaking the rules. So many imposing the rules are breaking them – Jeremy Corbyn, Tony Blair, SNP politicians, Neil Ferguson

282615 Basileus, replying to Basileus, 3, #1202 of 2452 🔗

BBC Reality Check.

https://www.bbc.com/news/54893437

Check out these figures (the quote is from the last section of the article):

‘To begin with, the figure referred to in the meme as the “recovery rate” – implying these are people who caught the virus and survived – is not correct.
About 99.0% of people who catch Covid survive it, says Jason Oke , Senior Statistician at the University of Oxford.
So around 100 in 10,000 will die – far higher than three in 10,000, as suggested in the meme.
However, Mr Oke adds that “in all cases the risks very much depend on age and do not take into account short and long-term morbidity from Covid-19”.
It’s not just about survival. For every person who dies, there are others who live through it but undergo intensive medical care, and those who suffer long-lasting health effects .’

He is quoting an IFR of 1% and attributing it to Jason Oke. This makes no sense, even for over 70’s the IRF is only 0.1%. Is he misquoting Oke?

282625 ▶▶ RickH, replying to Basileus, 1, #1203 of 2452 🔗

Has to be misquoting – the CEBM don’t usually make such errors.

282649 ▶▶▶ RickH, replying to RickH, 1, #1204 of 2452 🔗
282711 ▶▶▶▶ Ceriain, replying to RickH, #1205 of 2452 🔗

Thanks, Rick. 👍🏻

Source for anyone who wants to see the whole article:
https://www.acsh.org/news/2020/11/18/covid-infection-fatality-rates-sex-and-age-15163

282675 ▶▶ Ceriain, replying to Basileus, #1206 of 2452 🔗

They are being selective in their numbers that’s for sure. The CDC’s own figures for different age groups showed in some age groups that the survival rate was as high as 99.97%

Source: https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/hcp/planning-scenarios.html#table-1

282721 ▶▶ leggy, replying to Basileus, 2, #1207 of 2452 🔗

It’s bollocks, they’re picking the worst memes they can find to make straw man arguments. Don’t get sucked in.

FWIW, I normally work with the paper of John Ioannidis that gives a median IFR of 0.27%. I think that’s broadly speaking the best study to date. No wonder the WHO removed it from their website is it!

282779 ▶▶▶ Charlie Blue, replying to leggy, 2, #1208 of 2452 🔗

I think it’s back. Or at least it has been in last couple of days.

282853 ▶▶▶▶ leggy, replying to Charlie Blue, #1209 of 2452 🔗

Didn’t know that, thanks, I’ll have a look.

282622 Leemc23, replying to Leemc23, 10, #1210 of 2452 🔗

Anyone here under Uttlesford District Council ? They have just posted some booklet through my door. Called “Embracing the New Normal” Your essential reference guide to staying safe and well during the Covid -19 pandemic.

Absolute disgrace

Of bigger concern is this. On page 2 “The information in this booklet is correct at the time of printing (October 2020). Well today is December 3rd. So yet more proof that none of this tossers in power had any desire to drop this joke situation.

There is a absolutely disgraceful picture on page 10 of a young man carrying a box of what look to be his desk contents and him all gimp masked up – under the Job Loss Redundancy page !

282640 ▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to Leemc23, 7, #1211 of 2452 🔗

I would return the booklet and ask them why are they wasting taxpayer’s money on that rubbish.

282691 ▶▶▶ Leemc23, replying to Bart Simpson, 5, #1212 of 2452 🔗

Gonna do an FOI on this.

If nothing else though it’s coercive behaviour. That’s illegal

282641 ▶▶ Tenchy, replying to Leemc23, 4, #1213 of 2452 🔗

More council tax payers’ money pissed up against the wall.

283108 ▶▶ Ben, replying to Leemc23, 1, #1214 of 2452 🔗

Anyone telling me to ‘Stay Safe’ will receive a huge ‘FU** OFF!’ in reply

Stay safe = get back in your cage. Comply. Stop living and wait for death

Let me breathe fresh air again and give me my civil liberties and human rights back

282632 Bart Simpson, replying to Bart Simpson, 3, #1215 of 2452 🔗

Neil Oliver’s slot on Talk Radio was excellent as always, yesterday I stumbled upon this and would highly recommend:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0sbqRnv1pUs&feature=youtu.be

283735 ▶▶ CGL, replying to Bart Simpson, #1216 of 2452 🔗

He is such a wonderful man – I always love listening to him speak

282650 PatrickF, replying to PatrickF, 3, #1217 of 2452 🔗

Prediction, therefore it will happen. In the New Years Honours ‘ list there’ll be gongs aplenty for RNHS heroes, Vallance, Whitty, SAGE drones and a peerage for Matt Hancock: Lord Hancock of Wank.

282692 ▶▶ Ceriain, replying to PatrickF, 2, #1218 of 2452 🔗

a peerage for Matt Hancock: Lord Hancock of Wank

At least it would get him out of the HOC.

282726 ▶▶▶ mjr, replying to Ceriain, 2, #1219 of 2452 🔗

unfortunately he can still be minister of health from the lords

282759 ▶▶▶▶ Ceriain, replying to mjr, 1, #1220 of 2452 🔗

Oh, I’m aware of that, but we wouldn’t need to see him making his speeches in the Commons, which are much more frequent than in the Lords.

282656 Seansaighdeoir, replying to Seansaighdeoir, 7, #1221 of 2452 🔗

Listening to talk sport fans wanting to watch Everton have been told that they will need to provide proof that they do not have the coronavirus. It appears that this is the first step towards the immunity passport and the 2 tier society that is predicted. Obvious place to start to. So far pretty much everything that is predicted is starting to take shape. Nothing has really changed since March.

282746 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to Seansaighdeoir, 1, #1222 of 2452 🔗

Their current line of defence is its only temporary.

282941 ▶▶▶ Seansaighdeoir, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 1, #1223 of 2452 🔗

3 weeks to flatten the curve?

282662 Beowa, replying to Beowa, 1, #1224 of 2452 🔗

This is from the BBc North West fb page as they accompany those brave “bib” and C19 Marshalls

https://fb.watch/28H5dC3z0c/

282683 ▶▶ Tenchy, replying to Beowa, 7, #1225 of 2452 🔗

The police are scum of the most disgusting kind.

282723 ▶▶ mjr, replying to Beowa, 4, #1226 of 2452 🔗

so they still do not understand the regulations despite the West Midlands police errors .. and the BBC support the “guilty until proven innocent” approach

282664 Fingerache Philip., replying to Fingerache Philip., 7, #1227 of 2452 🔗

Match between Shrewsbury town and Accrington Stanley last night and the fans had to wear face nappies in the open air: WHY???

282668 ▶▶ Mark, replying to Fingerache Philip., 6, #1228 of 2452 🔗

“WHY???”

FEAR!!!

282676 ▶▶▶ Fingerache Philip., replying to Mark, 1, #1229 of 2452 🔗

Makes me ashamed to be a Salopian.

282684 ▶▶ Lms23, replying to Fingerache Philip., 5, #1230 of 2452 🔗

Control, ignorance, submission, take your pick.

282761 ▶▶ calchas, replying to Fingerache Philip., 5, #1231 of 2452 🔗

Because we all have to pretend that there is a pandemic.

As anyonewho gas ever been involved in amateur dramatics knows, good props can put life into a play and make it much easier for actors to say their lines convincingly.

282672 John Wilson, 5, #1232 of 2452 🔗

It has been pointed out that millions of Brits will be getting the Pfizer/BioNTech vaccine on the basis of a very small sample of Covid positive outcomes (170) from the 40,000 people who were part of the trial.

To be a Covid case in the trial a person had to display one symptom and test positive for the PCR test. Presumably you experience a symptom then get tested.

If every one of the 40,000 participants had had the PCR test then I doubt very much if there would be any statistically significant difference between covid positive rate for the placebo group and for the vaccine group. Clearly this was not done as false positive results would have give 200 to 500 positive results for the 20,000 in each group. We can assume, given the size of the groups, the false positives would be the same for each.

So the people who were PCR tested first had a symptom that could have been due to any number of common diseases.

Just suppose you wanted to fix the trial so that it gave an efficacy of say 95% for the vaccine. What would you do?

You would try and ensure that most of the PCR tests were done on the placebo group not the vaccine group. False positive results might then give you the result you wanted.

What did the placebo consist of? Suppose you used something that was likely to cause a sore throat or diarrhoea or a slight temperature or a headache.

The meningitis vaccine is often use as a placebo for vaccine trials. Does this produce any of the symptoms given above?

I have tried to find the raw data for phase 2 and 3 of the trial but I do not think they have been published. We need to know the ratio of PCR tests done on the placebo group to the vaccine group.

282677 Victoria, replying to Victoria, 4, #1233 of 2452 🔗

BOMBSHELL SCAM Exposed: Data reveals that “the number of deaths by COVID-19 is not alarming,” according to Johns Hopkins analyst

But according to CDC data, Briand found, the rate of deaths among elderly Americans has stayed the same before and after the outbreak of the pandemic . In fact, the percentage of deaths in ALL age groups remained about the same!

Even more telling, Dr. Briand points out, is that the total decrease in deaths by other causes is almost EXACTLY equal to the increase in deaths linked to COVID-19 .

In other words, if COVID-19 were as deadly as the mainstream media wants us to believe, we would expect to see a net INCREASE in deaths – since people would still be dying from other chronic health conditions in addition to this new viral illness. But per the CDC’s own data, this simply isn’t what’s happening.

So, what is happening?

 Immediately CENSORED: Mainstream media decides the American public doesn’t need to know about this gross misclassification of COVID deaths

https://www.naturalhealth365.com/covid-19-deaths-genevieve-briand-3645.html

282700 ▶▶ CGL, replying to Victoria, 1, #1234 of 2452 🔗

If it was alarming a report would not be needed would it?

282738 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to Victoria, 1, #1235 of 2452 🔗

Meh. They just censor and move on. The newsletter give their reasons here:
https://retractionwatch.com/2020/11/27/johns-hopkins-student-newspaper-deletes-then-retracts-article-on-faculty-members-presentation-about-covid-19-deaths/

Love this bit.

“Briand also claimed in her analysis that deaths due to heart diseases, respiratory diseases, influenza and pneumonia may be incorrectly categorized as COVID-19-related deaths. However, COVID-19 disproportionately affects those with preexisting conditions, so those with those underlying conditions are statistically more likely to be severely affected and die from the virus.”

So they were counted as Covid this year but statistically would be very much in the other buckets in any other year. As Briand herself was suggesting.

282682 Victoria, replying to Victoria, 10, #1236 of 2452 🔗

Health WARNING: Prolonged use of a face mask has 4 NEGATIVE health effects
If you’ve ever gone several hours wearing a face mask, you may notice that your mouth feels unpleasantly dry. Unfortunately, wearing a mask can exacerbate dry mouth by promoting mouth-breathing and reducing humidity in the air you inhale.

And it turns out a dry mouth isn’t just uncomfortable and foul-smelling. According to the National Institute of Dental and Craniofascial Research, persistent dry mouth increases the risk of tooth decay and oral infections , including an infection with Candida albicans , the bacteria responsible for oral thrush. Masks can trap bacteria inside your mouth, where they can overgrow and irritate your delicate oral tissues.

Wearing your face mask day-in and day-out could also be leading to these other issues, according to experts:

  • Skin irritation. “Maskne” is a trending topic for a reason! Known clinically as acne mechanica, maskne happens as a result of prolonged use of face coverings, which trap bacteria and debris against your skin, clog your pores, and lead to inflammation and breakouts. Skin irritation caused by face coverings are made even worse if you wash cloth masks with harsh chemicals.
  • Carbon dioxide build-up in the body. According to the American Lung Association (ALA), prolonged use of certain face coverings like N95s may lead to a build-up in carbon dioxide levels in people with pre-existing lung diseases, which, by the ALA’s own count, is as many as 37 million Americans. Excessive amounts of carbon dioxide in the body, known as hypercapnea, can cause symptoms including headaches, dizziness, and shortness of breath. While you may not experience this issue from your mask, anyone with respiratory illnesses should be speaking to their doctors about what kind of face mask practice is right for them – if any at all.
  • Increased risk of respiratory illness. A 2015 randomized controlled trial published in BMJ Open revealed that the use of cloth masks, at least in the healthcare setting, may increase the risk of respiratory infections due to a combination of “moisture retention, reuse of cloth masks and poor filtration.” As a disturbing side note: many ancillary staff members in hospitals are being instructed to wear their own cloth masks at work in order to “preserve” personal protective equpiment for clinical staff.

Ultimately, while some officials may suggest that wearing a mask reduces the risk of respiratory illnesses, it’s important to consider that the evidence on this is weak, at best. In fact, when you dig a little deeper into the research (for the past 10 years) – wearing a mask does little to prevent the spread of COVID-19. Not too mention all the very real threats that increase our risk of getting sick

https://www.naturalhealth365.com/health-effects-mask-mandate-3646.html

283082 ▶▶ Ben, replying to Victoria, 1, #1237 of 2452 🔗

Yes. I’ve seen an American article about American dentists flagging up ‘mask mouth’ and increased gum disease because people are breathing through their mouths instead of their noses

282686 Cristi.Neagu, replying to Cristi.Neagu, 8, #1238 of 2452 🔗

Something just occurred to me (not pertaining to the UK, but interesting).

Worldometers reports just under 280k deaths for USA. But at the same time, during 2019, there were about 638k deaths from abortion. It’s interesting how the left pretends like abortions are not a big thing and they don’t affect many lives and they even promote and support it, but at the same time are in support of locking the entire country down for far less. But i guess the underlying idea might be “not having a say”. They’re all in favour for people not having a say on lockdown, just like babies don’t have a say either.

And, for the record, i’m not an anti-abortion absolutist. I’m against abortion at an industrial level, which is something a bit unique (for now) to the US.

282707 ▶▶ assoc, replying to Cristi.Neagu, 2, #1239 of 2452 🔗

Unfortunately our figures are much higher than the US. There were 207,000 abortions in Engkand and Wales in 2019 (I don’t have the figures for Scotland). Population of England and Wales roughly one-fifth of the US

282770 ▶▶▶ Cristi.Neagu, replying to assoc, #1240 of 2452 🔗

Wow, didn’t know that…

282725 ▶▶ steve_w, replying to Cristi.Neagu, 1, #1241 of 2452 🔗

covid is about saving lives at whatever cost to liberty. surely there is at least a similar case to be made for making abortion illegal

283025 ▶▶▶ Cheshirecatslave, replying to steve_w, #1242 of 2452 🔗

I read about a woman who got pregnant during the first lockdown and had an abortion. She said she felt very guilty she broke the rules to see her boyfriend but felt no guilt about the abortion. To think anyone could put a higher price on crazy rules than human life!

283106 ▶▶▶▶ peter, replying to Cheshirecatslave, #1243 of 2452 🔗

The next Nicola Sturgeon 🤡

282689 Richard Pinch, replying to Richard Pinch, 2, #1244 of 2452 🔗

House of Commons
Science and Technology Select Committee and Health and Social Care Select Committee
IMMEDIATE RELEASE—THURSDAY 3 DECEMBER 2020
Evidence Session: Wednesday 9 December at 9.30am
This session will be held virtually and will be available to watch on parliamentlive.tv
Sir Patrick Vallance, Professor Chris Whitty and Dr Jenny Harries are to appear before the Science and Technology Committee and Health and Social Care Committees as part of their joint Coronavirus: lessons learnt inquiry. This session will cover science advice to Government, data and modelling, public messaging, vaccination, focussing on the lessons that can be learned from the handling of COVID-19 in the UK.
Witnesses, at 9:30am:

  • Sir Patrick Vallance , Government Chief Scientific Adviser;
  • Professor Chris Whitty , Chief Medical Officer for England; and
  • Dr Jenny Harries , Deputy Chief Medical Officer for England.

Further information:
The inquiry was launched on Thursday 8 October and evidence sessions have been chaired alternately by Committee Chairs Greg Clark for Science and Technology and Jeremy Hunt for Health and Social Care. This session will be chaired by Greg Clark.
Committee Information
Science and Technology Committee
Committee Membership: http://www.parliament.uk/business/committees/committees-a-z/commons-select/science-and-technology-committee/membership/

282695 ▶▶ Cristi.Neagu, replying to Richard Pinch, 4, #1245 of 2452 🔗

Yes, but will they ask the right questions? Or will it be: “How does it feel to save us all from certain doom?”

282775 ▶▶▶ Charlie Blue, replying to Cristi.Neagu, 4, #1246 of 2452 🔗

Based on past experience there might be some decent questions but absolutely no will to insist that they are answered fully or that anyone takes responsibilty.

282693 CGL, replying to CGL, 3, #1247 of 2452 🔗

May well have been posted but just to make sure – petition to not implement Freedom Passes-

https://petition.parliament.uk/petitions/561818

282724 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to CGL, 1, #1248 of 2452 🔗

Done. I can’t remember the last time I signed one of these that actually was successful.

282728 ▶▶ Banjones, replying to CGL, 1, #1249 of 2452 🔗

Thank you. Signed and shared.

282769 ▶▶ Pebbles, replying to CGL, 1, #1250 of 2452 🔗

Signed.

282697 Country Mumkin, replying to Country Mumkin, 5, #1251 of 2452 🔗

Haven’t read this properly yet. Just seen on Twitter. Apparently some form of consent to use with vaccination if you have it. Sharing before I get side-tracked.

https://uploads-ssl.webflow.com/5fa5866942937a4d73918723/5fc76c8cbd4d75f7ea592501_UKMFA_CV19_vaccine_consent_form_v1-1.pdf

282752 ▶▶ Ceriain, replying to Country Mumkin, 3, #1252 of 2452 🔗

Thanks, CM; very interesting.

It’s not an NHS document, that’s for sure; it’s from https://www.ukmedfreedom.org/about

There’s no way the Government would ask people to read that and sign it. Most people would get half way through and NOT give consent.

I see Malcolm Kendrick on there, among others, which may explain why in the form, under the section:

With Respect to the new COVID-19 vaccinations the Doctor MUST inform the patient of the following and tick the box to indicate such:

There is this:

  • Vitamin D in doses of 5,000iu daily is of proven benefit to prevent and treat Covid-19
  • Vitamin C in doses of 5 grams daily is of proven benefit to prevent and treat Covid-19
  • Topical antiseptics (such as iodine) are of proven benefit to reduce the loading dose and hence disease severity of Covid-19

I doubt Whitty, Vallance and ‘the nation’s favourite’ JVT would admit this to be true.

282760 ▶▶ vargas99, replying to Country Mumkin, 3, #1253 of 2452 🔗

That’s very good. I can’t possibly imagine any GP surgery allocating the time to do this, nor indeed any of the army of new volunteers being signed up to deliver these vaccines having the ability to follow this process – especially if they have to accept personal liability.

282764 ▶▶ Pebbles, replying to Country Mumkin, 1, #1254 of 2452 🔗

Thank you for sharing this I have been looking for Informed Consent today.

282778 ▶▶ Schrodinger, replying to Country Mumkin, #1255 of 2452 🔗

Their letter to the The Medicines and Healthcare products Regulatory Agency was also very good as well.

https://uploads-ssl.webflow.com/5fa5866942937a4d73918723/5fbd13488af2de09d68bd61c_UKMFA_Letter_to_MHRA_JCVI.pdf

282787 ▶▶ Victoria, replying to Country Mumkin, 2, #1256 of 2452 🔗

In the event of any adverse reaction to this Covid vaccine (or any other vaccine) such a completed and signed consent form will be very helpful with future legal claims.

282703 Margaret, replying to Margaret, 3, #1257 of 2452 🔗

Now we’ve got the vaccine, they think it’s all over. It is now. How do I know?

M&S have just brought back their bra-fitting service!

Perhaps they should introduce a mask fitting one as well.

282750 ▶▶ vargas99, replying to Margaret, 6, #1258 of 2452 🔗

Don’t give them ideas!

282991 ▶▶ annie, replying to Margaret, #1259 of 2452 🔗

The mask fitting could work on degrees of cretinism.

282705 Basileus, replying to Basileus, 8, #1260 of 2452 🔗

This is big:

James Lyons-Weiler — Pathogenic Priming: Coronavirus Vaccine Safety Warning
https://dryburgh.com/james-lyons-weiler-coronavirus-vaccine-safety-warning/

Quote:

Your body has 500 000 peptides throughout your life. The coronavirus has something like 28 proteins. What’s the probability that there’s going to be many proteins that match at small segments of immunogenic epitopes? Very high. We now have results from front runner vaccines from these hybrid trials, where they skipped over the animal trials. FDA in it absolutely ignoring safety margin in a stunning decision, decided to allow Moderna and other vaccine manufacturers to skip the most important step in vaccine safety for coronavirus, which is the animal trials. To see if there’s pathogenic priming. To see if this particular vaccine or that particular vaccine might cause serious problems through pathogenic priming. It’s unbelievable that the FDA made this decision.

282720 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to Basileus, 8, #1261 of 2452 🔗

It’s astounding the calibre of dissenting voices that get pushed aside at every point in this nightmare.

https://www.longdom.org/editor/james-lyons-weiler-9274

282776 ▶▶ G.Fawkes, replying to Basileus, 2, #1262 of 2452 🔗

It’s as if they are wholly unconcerned about the safety of the gene therapy injection.

282717 Steve Martindale, replying to Steve Martindale, 6, #1263 of 2452 🔗

All this vaccine discussion had me looking up our International Vaccination Certificates, these are done under the 2005 International Health Regulations which seem to be a WHO operation. Currently we have Yellow fever and Cholera vaccinations officially recorded.

All recorded vaccinations have to be as approved by the WHO and so if you think you may need a Covid jab for International travel you need to wait until WHO say what is approved and list it for addition to the International Health Certificate.
Phew that is a good excuse to use when people ask why I am not rushing for this jab and I am not in the mood for a long discussion.
I note that there is a thriving black market in Africa for fake International Health Certificates, they are trying to work against that with certificates on your phone or if you do not have a phone with a QR pattern on a certificate that links to the details of your vaccination. I think I will hold on until some enterprising young IT wizz kids in Lagos or Kampala manage to work round the system and can do me a fake Covid jab certificate!

282762 ▶▶ Pebbles, replying to Steve Martindale, 5, #1264 of 2452 🔗

Yes please everyone do encourage your hacker kids to fake fake fake until the sun don’t shine! And never forgive and never forget that VICE sold out the guy who invented the hack for the Track and Trace to the authorities whereas the editorial gang of VICE protects drug dealers, mafia bosses, and full-blown criminals…!

282719 HelzBelz, replying to HelzBelz, 7, #1265 of 2452 🔗

There seems to be a view going round that it is one’s Public Duty to take the vaccine. Even my mum – an arch sceptic from the start – has expressed this. Is the brainwashing starting to work even on the sceptics? Or are people just so worn down by all of this the they’ll take the jab in the hope that things will get back to normal? A vain hope indeed if JVT and his ilk win that argument.

282735 ▶▶ Major Panic, replying to HelzBelz, 12, #1266 of 2452 🔗

thats something I don’t understand – if the jab is effective and all the vulnerable people chose to take it and are protected – why does everyone else need to take it to protect the vulnerable who are already protected by their own vaccine?

282751 ▶▶▶ steph, replying to Major Panic, 3, #1267 of 2452 🔗

Unfortunately it’s the way vaccines have always been deployed and there is some sense in it. If a vulnerable person also has a contraindication that would make any otherwise effective and safe vaccine dangerous for them, they are still protected by the herd, most of whom had been vaccinated.
It will be used to blackmail people into having this untested and unnecessary vaccine also.

282767 ▶▶▶▶ mattghg, replying to steph, 3, #1268 of 2452 🔗

That argument doesn’t apply in this case because there is no evidence that any of the candidate covid vaccines interrupt transmission—nor could there be such evidence, because the clinical trials aren’t even looking for it .

282840 ▶▶▶▶ Dodderydude, replying to steph, 2, #1269 of 2452 🔗

As says, this Pfizer vaccine that most people are wetting themselves over only claims to reduce symptoms if a vaccinated individual becomes infected. It does not purport to either prevent a vaccinated individual from being infected or prevent a vaccinated person from transmitting the infection to other people who may or may not be vaccinated. In other words, all this approved vaccine does to by far the majority of healthy people is risk giving them unpleasant side effects similar to the flu for about three days and maybe reduce their Covid19 symptoms if they happen to become infected (similar to the benefits of taking a paracetamol and/or Lemsip (other cold remedies are available)). I’m not convinced that it is a good idea for elderly vulnerable people to be on the receiving end of the nasty side effects akin to flu which I have seen a quite high proportion of healthy, young trial candidates report.

282745 ▶▶ vargas99, replying to HelzBelz, 8, #1270 of 2452 🔗

The vast majority of joe public ceased to think rationally after the first lockdown. So, yes they will take the jab and probably want a sticker to show off their public sacrifice.

282747 ▶▶ calchas, replying to HelzBelz, 4, #1271 of 2452 🔗

They are just worn down.

282788 ▶▶▶ Colin, replying to calchas, #1272 of 2452 🔗

Yep, me too. I’m prepared to barter… I’ll get the jab if I can stop wearing a mask LOL

282802 ▶▶▶▶ jb12, replying to Colin, 2, #1273 of 2452 🔗

Just do neither. Problem solved.

282754 ▶▶ A. Contrarian, replying to HelzBelz, 13, #1274 of 2452 🔗

By that logic it’s also everyone’s public duty to control their weight, take exercise, stop drinking/smoking/eating too much chocolate or whatever your particular vice is, eliminate all stress, drive everywhere at 20mph, eat 5-a-day every day, and so on. A huge number of people who end up burdening “our NHS” have self-inflicted lifestyle issues. It’s generally an accepted burden because we’re all humans with human problems and the NHS is a health service for humans, not robots, despite what some people seem to think. We might encourage people to improve their health but any suggestion that overweight people be denied NHS treatment so that someone fitter and healthier gets more timely treatment is quite rightly not accepted. I don’t see this stupid vaccine as being anything different – certainly no different from any other vaccine and we’ve never had this kind of blackmail and coercion before.

283799 ▶▶▶ HelzBelz, replying to A. Contrarian, #1275 of 2452 🔗

So bloody well said – thank you 🙂

282785 ▶▶ G.Fawkes, replying to HelzBelz, 9, #1276 of 2452 🔗

There’s also a view going around that it is one’s Public Duty to resist tyranny.

Take your pick.

283801 ▶▶▶ HelzBelz, replying to G.Fawkes, #1277 of 2452 🔗

Absolutely 100%

282730 Country Mumkin, replying to Country Mumkin, 2, #1278 of 2452 🔗

What are your feelings about this image?

282731 ▶▶ HelzBelz, replying to Country Mumkin, 4, #1279 of 2452 🔗

Chilling…. literally!

282736 ▶▶ leggy, replying to Country Mumkin, 6, #1280 of 2452 🔗

One would have to ask if being objective, WTF has this got to do with the WEF?

282912 ▶▶▶ AN other lockdown sceptic, replying to leggy, 3, #1281 of 2452 🔗

Its sponsored by them possibly or maybe they just lead the fan club!?

283002 ▶▶▶▶ leggy, replying to AN other lockdown sceptic, #1282 of 2452 🔗

I wonder if you get a badge, car sticker and a monthly magazine if you join the fan club? Maybe it’s a bit like the Lego Club, just with added eugenics, control systems and general dystopia?

282771 ▶▶ stefarm, replying to Country Mumkin, 2, #1283 of 2452 🔗

Propaganda

282796 ▶▶ G.Fawkes, replying to Country Mumkin, 3, #1284 of 2452 🔗

Violent.

282811 ▶▶ Country Mumkin, replying to Country Mumkin, 4, #1285 of 2452 🔗

It directly speaks cattle carts to me. Look at the train tracks next to the line of cargo. And the cargo neatly laid out next to each other with “safe” emblazoned. And the “we’re ready” message from WEF to, probably, I’d think, our government.

I think it’s a metaphorical message to the players our side.

It really affected me. It looks the same type of image direct from the Holocaust.

That and the heavy duty mask they showed the other week, unnerves me greatly.

282834 ▶▶ Ben, replying to Country Mumkin, 2, #1286 of 2452 🔗

The Netherlands with its history. Should know better

282984 ▶▶ annie, replying to Country Mumkin, #1287 of 2452 🔗

Minus 70 scarcely counts as ‘chilled’.

282740 calchas, replying to calchas, 6, #1288 of 2452 🔗

https://twitter.com/dwtruthwarrior/status/1334211877161713664

I can’t recommend this interview with physicist Denis Rancourt highly enough.

It is long . 102 minutes, but he covers:

masks
PCR
the statistics of deaths and ‘cases’
the slaughter in the care homes
vaccines
how science works
the slide into totalitarianism
how we can resist
the geopolitical angle

…and more

282749 ▶▶ leggy, replying to calchas, 1, #1289 of 2452 🔗

Thanks, I’ll try to get to that this evening.

283001 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to calchas, 1, #1290 of 2452 🔗

Top stuff. His calm demeanour is very reassuring. Just say no and act on your conviction. It’s the only way to learn. Excellent

282741 steph, replying to steph, 29, #1291 of 2452 🔗

My head is now in a spin. Earlier I said this was a glass half full day for me but it’s gone the other way now. I think the thing that tipped me over the edge was receiving a Christmas card from an old acquaintance we rarely see who signed off “..and a vaccine full New Year”. I almost exploded.
But it made me think, do I now not care about the vaccine so long as plenty of people are in such a hurry to get it that we can say “after you” for many months to come? If they get harmful side effects, more fool them and more likely the process will be stopped. That’s supposing that all who want to hang back are allowed to e.g. NHS and care workers.
Or do I still want to try and warn people about the untested nature of the vaccine? Particularly as we are now very much at the tail of the curve and it is no longer needed.
I’m in a spin as I say. Some of these stupid people are people I care about. Big Pharma is making a profit no matter what and if there are many vaccine injuries it’s the UK taxpayer who foots that bill.
Sorry, general rant and brain dump but I’m not sure what I think!

282753 ▶▶ steve_w, replying to steph, 13, #1292 of 2452 🔗

its all a bit weird

not much to worry about in march, certainly not a lot now

its been all about the lockdowns

now its all about the vaccines – mass innocculation with something straight out of the lab for a disease that’s killed less this year than diarrhea

My personal quandry is that I feel so at odds with ‘received wisdom’. It makes me uncomfortable. Either I am mad or they are. I think they are – but if I would think that if I was

282756 ▶▶ Rosie, replying to steph, 7, #1293 of 2452 🔗

Despite all the confusion and anger, vaccination is their goal for the year and we need to do all we can to warn people off in any way we can. We don’t want the groupthink to set in, but need to resist every step of the way as much as we can.

One person by one person, do whatever you can to educate them.

282757 ▶▶ Banjones, replying to steph, 5, #1294 of 2452 🔗

You’re right, of course. And when the hospitals are overwhelmed by the people who suffer effects of the vaccine, then those figures can be added to the ”covid-related” figures, thus inflating them, so that we can be told ”Hurry up and get the vaccine – we’re into The Third Wave!” and then get locked down again to ”control the virus”.
The thick plottens…..

282768 ▶▶ godowneasy, replying to steph, 7, #1295 of 2452 🔗

This is really difficult isn’t it? You want to warn your nearest and dearest about the risks of the vaccine and get them to do their own research so they can be better informed. Sounds simple, but in practice it seem impossible with people who have been so successfully brainwashed. If the first response to a question like: “Are you concerned about the speed of the vaccine development?” is “So you think that the smallpox vaccine was a failure then and we should abandon all vaccines and let all the vulnerable people die” – you know you are onto a loser. My wife has had two such conversations over two evenings, one with her brother and the other her son. They both ended up as shouting matches. If people have taken a position it seems it doesn’t matter what you say. At the end of it, you have to decide whether to keep the relationship going or abandon it.

282830 ▶▶▶ Ben, replying to godowneasy, 6, #1296 of 2452 🔗

These vaccines have been rushed and awarded indemnity. That’s enough red flags

282860 ▶▶▶▶ godowneasy, replying to Ben, 5, #1297 of 2452 🔗

I know that, you know that, everyone on here knows that, but try telling that to my brother-in-law!

282783 ▶▶ Country Mumkin, replying to steph, 4, #1298 of 2452 🔗

They are in a different place to you. One day they may be in the same place. If you feel any conversation about the vaccine, however open that is, would do your relationship harm, it may be worth not having it. But if there’s a chance they might listen, it’s probably worth trying to tell them how you feel if you get the opportunity. I know the people I can and can’t have a conversation with.

You can only do so much. I understand the frustration. And I sometimes feel “oh get on with it, shoot yourself up”.

They probably will have the vaccine. There’s not much you can do but be kind in your heart towards them.

We don’t know what we don’t know.

282792 ▶▶ kenadams, replying to steph, 6, #1299 of 2452 🔗

I agree. It’s hard to know who to speak to. I’ve told my Mum what I think, because she’s an NHS worker, and obviously very close to me. Don’t know which way she’ll go yet. She is a covid ‘agnostic’ I would say.

I’m not sure I have the energy to talk to anyone else. As people are saying below, they’ve largely made their minds up based on ‘the BBC told me it’s a good thing so it’s a good thing’, so what’s the point?

282826 ▶▶▶ Rosie, replying to kenadams, 3, #1300 of 2452 🔗

If in person, draw a straight line on a piece of paper.

One end says “All vaccines are completely safe and good”
the other end of the line says “All vaccines are bad”

then put on another point and draw out a triangle and ask, “What are the other options here?”

This can work a treat to keep you calm and to get the other person thinking.
It might be that vaccines are mostly a good thing most of the time, but this particular one is very different to small pox.

282821 ▶▶ Ben, replying to steph, 6, #1301 of 2452 🔗

Refer them to this short article. If people don’t take responsibility for their own health, then there’s not a lot you can do.

I’ve given up. If people get sick from the vaccine – tough

https://2020news.de/en/dr-wodarg-and-dr-yeadon-request-a-stop-of-all-corona-vaccination-studies-and-call-for-co-signing-the-petition/

282755 Ben, replying to Ben, 14, #1302 of 2452 🔗

How does one unelected man have the power to ban millions of healthy, law abiding citizens from breathing fresh air as nature intended? Van Tam is not God. Our human rights are being trashed

https://twitter.com/emmakennytv/status/1334455659195232257?s=20

282765 ▶▶ Banjones, replying to Ben, 8, #1303 of 2452 🔗

Well, he’s on this list. Not saying he stands to gain (of course!) but he doesn’t seem exactly impartial either.
https://www.zoeharcombe.com/2020/11/sage-conflicts-of-interest/

282809 ▶▶▶ Ben, replying to Banjones, 4, #1304 of 2452 🔗

So my life is being destroyed because of people’s shares

282772 awildgoose, replying to awildgoose, 3, #1305 of 2452 🔗

US-based CNN is now running stories about a vax card proposal from US CDC.

“Papers, bitte.”

282963 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to awildgoose, 1, #1306 of 2452 🔗

Lockstep. Let it be known which side you are on to those you love. Many won’t understand until very very late in the game

282773 JASA, replying to JASA, 11, #1307 of 2452 🔗

I need some advice in relation to my son (14) wearing a mask at his school. I have written to the school telling them that he is not to wear a mask because he is has become extremely confused, exhausted and not sleeping, which they are aware of anyway. I have had this reply…. “… the School has to follow the Government’s guidance. The advice states that masks are mandatory in Schools in Tier 2. We do have the ability to allow R not to wear a mask onsite, but we need to have written confirmation from either his GP or a medical specialist. Due to R’s age we also need to have a conversation with him to understand his position, as this has not been flagged up by Roddy.”

That is completely ridiculous. He is displaying signs of oxygen starvation and yet they are continuing to compel him to wear a mask. I have asked for their risk assessment and made it clear that people do not need to prove their exemption. is this correct?

I can’t do anything else, because his mother is a covid believer and he lives with her.

What do I do? Just watch him fall to bits?

282782 ▶▶ Ozzie, replying to JASA, 8, #1308 of 2452 🔗

Take a look here:

https://nomasks.info/

This gives a summary of the law – essentially he does not need proof to claim exemption any more than anyone else does. The school should know this, but it would be sensible to point them towards the law (link is on the website above).

282822 ▶▶▶ JASA, replying to Ozzie, 1, #1309 of 2452 🔗

Thank you. I have written back to them.

282931 ▶▶▶▶ vargas99, replying to JASA, 5, #1310 of 2452 🔗

You should also write to them and put them on notice that you will hold them personally liable for any medical costs/damages that may occur (at any time – even 20 years from now) to your child as a result of their enforcement.

282795 ▶▶ Ben, replying to JASA, 9, #1311 of 2452 🔗

This is an absolute crime against humanity

I watched a video of a furious mother in the United States whose son had collapsed at school from wearing a face mask. The NHS is a disgrace on this matter too – washing its cowardly hands of its moral responsibility

I would take my child out of school in this situation. Check out Twitter sites Law or Fiction or Francis Hoar. Try contacting Emma Kenny or Simon Dolan on Twitter/Facebook. As far as I’m aware, emotional distress caused by face masks is enough reason for exemption

We are not born with face masks

282801 ▶▶▶ Rosie, replying to Ben, 2, #1312 of 2452 🔗
282831 ▶▶▶▶ JASA, replying to Rosie, 2, #1313 of 2452 🔗

Thank you.

282841 ▶▶▶▶▶ Rosie, replying to JASA, 3, #1314 of 2452 🔗

We’ve got WhatsApp groups going and a campaign to reach every school, trying to draw up a procedure/protocol to do this in an orderly manner, but it’s not easy when everyone is scattered.

Also trying to do anti-masking counter propaganda.

If anyone can assist, please get in touch.

282835 ▶▶▶ RickH, replying to Ben, #1315 of 2452 🔗

I would take my child out of school in this situation.”

That, of course, is the ultimate judgment – but it does let the school off the hook.

282799 ▶▶ Rosie, replying to JASA, 6, #1316 of 2452 🔗

Hi get in touch with UsForThem immediately! They’ve an open letter and active campaigns and many others to discuss the problems with. So sorry for you. Absolutely terrible situation you are in.

https://usforthem.co.uk/

Plus a need for tech input if you’re able plus £ contributions is anyone is able to

282836 ▶▶▶ JASA, replying to Rosie, 2, #1317 of 2452 🔗

Thank you. I will contact them.

282827 ▶▶ RickH, replying to JASA, 9, #1318 of 2452 🔗

The school are wrong. He is exempt via your parental judgment. No more is required, and GPs have been told not to issue validation.

Whether his state is directly caused by the mask, or is a wider reaction to it, is a totally irrelevant issue – the school is in loco parentis’, and should be behaving as a wise parent – which is what you are doing. Practising child abuse does not fall within the definition.

Lack of a proper risk assessment, given the actual known harms (and lack of established benefit) of mask wearing) makes the school’s case null and void.

… and that’s before getting into issues about the fact that children are not susceptible or transmitters of SARS-CoV-2.

282868 ▶▶▶ JASA, replying to RickH, 4, #1319 of 2452 🔗

Thank you. I am not letting this one go. I have contacted UsForThem and taken on board what you have written.

283575 ▶▶▶ JASA, replying to Victoria, #1321 of 2452 🔗

Thank you. I intend to. Thank you for the links.

282970 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to JASA, 4, #1322 of 2452 🔗

You are in a terrible position. However, you can only win this with a fight. Confrontation may not be your thing, but seek an immediate meeting, take along the legislation that says exemptions apply. You are in the right here

283572 ▶▶▶ JASA, replying to BeBopRockSteady, #1323 of 2452 🔗

Hi, thank you. It is good to be backed up by people on here. The deputy head has said that my son’s form tutor will talk to him tomorrow. They need to follow the guidelines, but agree not at the expense of his mental and physical health. Which rather begs the question, why is the school making any of the pupils wear them?

282780 richard riewer, 5, #1324 of 2452 🔗

Keep believing whatever you’re being told. The people who are running this show depend on your gullibility.

282781 calchas, 4, #1325 of 2452 🔗

From John Ward:

“What’s new about Ross Clark’s article is underlined in red above: disinformation designed to scare us, and the mention of goggle-eyed surveillance sociopaths from GCHQ now permanently in the woodwork of Number Ten – apparently ‘to combat the emerging and changing threat’ posed by the virus.

But as Clark establishes comprehensively in the column, there is no threat – at least not one we’re being told about.

And why is GCHQ ‘sifting through vast amounts of data to ensure the Prime Minister has the most up-to-date information on the spread of the virus’? Why do we need anything more than the ONS, Worldometer and NHS health stats to tell us what’s going on?”

https://therealslog.com/2020/11/29/boris-the-scapegoat-covid-the-bio-weapon-and-rishi-en-route-to-davos/

282786 John, replying to John, 16, #1326 of 2452 🔗

The Pfizer covid vaccine is approved in the UK and begins next week. What Pfizer has NOT provided: The ingredients, The results data, An independently peer-reviewed study! To save you reading the 120-page study design, here’s the summary:
· The vaccine has NOT been tested on children, pregnant women, people taking medications and individuals with comorbidities (Yet the plan is for all of the above to receive the vaccine)
· Pfizer doesn’t plan to release the results data for independent scrutiny for another 2 years
· Pfizer did not assess vaccine reactions in all 43,000 participants (just a random subset of 8000)
· Pfizer only reported severe reactions that occurred in more than 2% (860 people). In other words, if 800 people suffered a severe immune reaction, they did not have to report it because it occurred in less than 2%!!
· Pfizer will not submit the study for peer-review until they’ve completed their analysis of safety data. Let that sink in – the vaccine is approved and they have not finished analysing the data!

Social – engineering at its finest

282803 ▶▶ Victoria, replying to John, 2, #1327 of 2452 🔗

Great post! Great information

283509 ▶▶▶ Voz 0db, replying to Victoria, #1328 of 2452 🔗

After these months of OPERATION COVIDIUS what the readers of this site do not lack is “great information”!

But clearly it doesn’t cause any movement…

282815 ▶▶ Ceriain, replying to John, #1329 of 2452 🔗

https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/regulatory-approval-of-pfizer-biontech-vaccine-for-covid-19

Ingredients within.

What COVID-19 mRNA Vaccine BNT162b2 contains:

The active substance is BNT162b2 RNA.
After dilution, the vial contains 5 doses, of 0.3 mL with 30 micrograms mRNA each.

The other ingredients are:
ALC-0315 = (4-hydroxybutyl)azanediyl)bis(hexane-6,1-diyl)bis(2-hexyldecanoate)
ALC-0159 = 2[(polyethylene glycol)-2000]-N,N-ditetradecylacetamide
1,2-Distearoyl-sn-glycero-3-phosphocholine
cholesterol,
potassium chloride
potassium dihydrogen phosphate
sodium chloride
disodium hydrogen phosphate dihydrate
sucrose

Yum!

282833 ▶▶▶ Bella Donna, replying to Ceriain, 1, #1330 of 2452 🔗

Does it come with a cherry on the top?

283252 ▶▶▶ richard riewer, replying to Ceriain, #1331 of 2452 🔗

Funny that it contains glycol. Glycol was denounced when it was discovered to be an ingredient in vaping liquids.

283491 ▶▶▶ Voz 0db, replying to Ceriain, #1332 of 2452 🔗

Can we have it on a nice cup of tea?

282843 ▶▶ steve_w, replying to John, 1, #1333 of 2452 🔗

good work. do you have a link to the 120 pages?

283505 ▶▶▶ Voz 0db, replying to steve_w, #1334 of 2452 🔗

Have FUN !

283186 ▶▶ dpj, replying to John, #1335 of 2452 🔗

So a higher percentage of people with vaccine potentially suffered a ‘severe reaction’ than tested positive in control group. Case closed for not taking vaccine as far as I am concerned.

283248 ▶▶ richard riewer, replying to John, #1336 of 2452 🔗

ILLEGAL. HUMAN RIGHTS VIOLATION OF THE HIGHEST ORDER.

282789 richard riewer, replying to richard riewer, 4, #1337 of 2452 🔗

President Macron: well dressed Nazi.

282800 ▶▶ richard riewer, replying to richard riewer, 2, #1338 of 2452 🔗

How does this 95% effective vaccine protect us from Covid-19? Stop Its spread? Kill it outright? Mutate it into another strain? Hmm? They don’t know yet. Don’t take it.

282791 steve_w, replying to steve_w, 5, #1339 of 2452 🔗

when this is all over and everyone realises what a hysterical overreaction lockdowns and rushed vaccines were, I am sure the politicians will blame the public for ‘demanding something must be done’ and absolve themselves completely

282805 ▶▶ G.Fawkes, replying to steve_w, 8, #1340 of 2452 🔗

There will be no ‘over’. This is the end of life as we know it. Prepare your mind accordingly.

282810 ▶▶▶ steve_w, replying to G.Fawkes, 6, #1341 of 2452 🔗

I definitely feel like that when Van Tam says that even when everyones been jabbed that masks and restrictions are here to stay for years. I’m surprised the not at risk majority haven’t kicked up more of a fuss

282820 ▶▶▶▶ Bella Donna, replying to steve_w, 9, #1342 of 2452 🔗

Most think the vaccine is a precursor to returning to the old normal. They haven’t woken up quite yet.

282828 ▶▶▶▶▶ steve_w, replying to Bella Donna, 5, #1343 of 2452 🔗

I don’t know if we will all look back on this as being a moment of madness/collective hysteria. I think we need the people at the top to change first. They’ll never admit they were wrong.

Or if this is the new normal. Even if covid disappears will there be calls to lockdown for a bad flu season?

282926 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ dhpaul, replying to steve_w, 1, #1344 of 2452 🔗

Of course. Why wouldn’t they?

282844 ▶▶▶▶ G.Fawkes, replying to steve_w, 3, #1345 of 2452 🔗

There is too much debt in the system, the global economy is about to collapse, one way or the other.

This is not an ‘if’, but a ‘when’. Civilisation has reached an impasse. And the same people who broke the system fancy themselves as architects of the new system.

So it’s either tyranny, or war. It’s real, and it’s happening. Right now. That is the biggest hurdle to overcome – acceptance that things will never be the same again. It is also very positive. You can prepare your mind for the inevitable, and not be teased by lies about getting back to normal. We aren’t going back, only forward.

People will lose their minds when things really start to slide. They’re losing them now. There is little time left to work on your mental resilience and self reliance. Thankfully, there hasn’t been much else to do during lockdown. A blessing in disguise.

283066 ▶▶▶▶ Ben, replying to steve_w, 1, #1346 of 2452 🔗

For some reason I’ve been drawn to reading about the French Revolutions.

283267 ▶▶▶▶ Jo Dominich -, replying to steve_w, #1347 of 2452 🔗

Weell that’s what he thinks the bloody idiot.

282915 ▶▶ Dave Angel Eco Warrier, replying to steve_w, 5, #1348 of 2452 🔗

Everyone won’t realise there was an overreaction. There is no way the lockdown strategy will ever be deemed to be a mistake as too much has been invested in the foolishness. Maybe in a hundred years history will look unfavourably on the tactic but then again there will no doubt be other viruses before then and the whole shebang will be repeated in the mistaken notion that ‘it worked last time’.

283060 ▶▶ Ben, replying to steve_w, 2, #1349 of 2452 🔗

I wish it was a hysterical overreaction. I follow people on Twitter in Canada, Europe, Australia (see Robin Monotti Graziadei and others) and the same thing is happening all over the world. Every country is occupied. The Great Reset (World Economic Forum) is a reality unfortunately

283180 ▶▶ Ewan Duffy, replying to steve_w, #1350 of 2452 🔗

In 2010, after the Celtic Tiger had collapsed, Ireland’s then finance minister Brian Lenihan Jnr stated on RTE television that “we all partied” – i.e., it is the public’s fault that the economy collapsed.

I would see the current Irish Government coming out with something along the lines of “we all panicked”.

282794 Rosie, replying to Rosie, 8, #1351 of 2452 🔗

Four other ways to meet up with local people close to you

 Freedom Network
The Freedom Network is a non-political movement founded with the purpose of reclaiming freedoms taken away by the Coronavirus Act. The Network has established a series of ‘Freedom Hubs’ around the country which provide like-minded lockdown sceptics with an opportunity to make contact with one another.

http://www.thefreedomnetwork.co.uk

Back to Normal
Back to Normal is a leafleting campaign aimed at changing the public’s attitude about lockdowns. Back to Normal leaflets are designed for door-to-door distribution and are currently being distributed all over the country. E-mail backtonormalrh@yahoo.com or visit my-sgf.co.uk for more information.

Unlock (Oxford)
Unlock is a student-led campaign begun at Oxford University. The movement brands lockdowns as ‘irrational and inherently unfair’ and aims raise awareness about the damage they’re doing.

Unlock has a website, http://www.unlock-gb.co.uk , and a social media presence:
@unlockgb on Twitter and @GBUnlock on Facebook

Unlock Surrey
Unlock Surrey is a group of like-minded individuals from across Surrey and south-west London. Beyond a shared opposition to the lockdown, the group is entirely non-partisan and encompasses a broad variety of interests and opinions. Besides simply putting people in touch with one another, Unlock Surrey organises social events and publishes a regular newsletter. E-mail unlock.surrey@protonmail.com for more information.

282812 ▶▶ Bella Donna, replying to Rosie, 1, #1352 of 2452 🔗

Excellent idea. There must be people out there who feel isolated and having a group to reach out to who are of similar mind could be a life saver.

282971 ▶▶▶ Rosie, replying to Bella Donna, #1353 of 2452 🔗

and also, it’s much easier to campaign when you’re in a group and not on your own.

282832 ▶▶ Country Mumkin, replying to Rosie, 1, #1354 of 2452 🔗

Brilliant, thank you 🙂

282906 ▶▶ Melangell, replying to Rosie, 1, #1355 of 2452 🔗

Thank you. I’m feeling really lonely and isolated right now so I’ve emailed the Freedom Network to enquire about setting up a hub in my area where there’s no-one near.

282920 ▶▶▶ Bella Donna, replying to Melangell, 1, #1356 of 2452 🔗

That’s good we need more people being proactive.

282966 ▶▶▶▶ Rosie, replying to Bella Donna, 1, #1357 of 2452 🔗

Yes, I was out yesterday with my antimasking leaflets and it was really good to have Back to Normal leaflets with me as well to give to people already on our side. Encouraged them to order leaflets and start putting through doors. If not them, who do they know who would do this?

282952 ▶▶ Pebbles, replying to Rosie, 1, #1358 of 2452 🔗

Thank you Rosie. Much needed links today especially.

282797 Ceriain, replying to Ceriain, 3, #1359 of 2452 🔗

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pn0WdJx-Wkw

They listened to the Vaccine Experts
They knew what they were getting into by taking it
I say, “Let ’em die!”

It’s July 2022, and Prime Minister Boris Johnson announces Lockdown 9 to deal with the double threat of Covid-22, which is “running rampant among the Covid-19, 20 and 21, non-vaccinated”.

He also announces yet more tragic Vaccine death figures, but assures the public (what’s left of them) that “the boffins are turning to the searchlight of science in their quest to find a vaccine to counter the vaccine to counter the vaccine”.

282807 ▶▶ steve_w, replying to Ceriain, 6, #1360 of 2452 🔗

The vaccine appears (from what I read) to give subjects a dead arm and feel not great for a couple of days. So a little worse than covid. I wonder what it will do to people at risk of covid – ie 85 year olds who have no idea what day it is

282850 ▶▶▶ Ceriain, replying to steve_w, 2, #1361 of 2452 🔗

https://www.pharmaceutical-journal.com/news-and-analysis/doubts-cast-over-benefit-of-flu-jabs-for-elderly-people-/10005034.article

I know it’s an old article, but it’s still relevant, I believe; don’t think the science has changed much.

The researchers highlight studies that suggest vaccine effectiveness declines sharply after the age of 70 years and that antibody responses to flu vaccine in elderly people are only about one-quarter to one-half as strong as those in younger adults.

And that’s just the flu jab.

282859 ▶▶▶▶ steve_w, replying to Ceriain, 4, #1362 of 2452 🔗

Van Tam was saying it will prevent 99% of deaths. I found that strange as it hasn’t been tested on the cohort that are dying of covid.

282877 ▶▶▶▶▶ Bella Donna, replying to steve_w, 5, #1363 of 2452 🔗

Taking extra vitamins C, D and Zinc will boost the immune system. We don’t need a vaccine.

283239 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ richard riewer, replying to Bella Donna, #1364 of 2452 🔗

But they need the money. Your money.

283259 ▶▶▶▶▶ Jo Dominich -, replying to steve_w, #1365 of 2452 🔗

Not if you died in a car crash of a heart attack of cancer or anything else and the death was listed as covid. Which form the majority of the deaths.

282808 Awkward Git, replying to Awkward Git, 21, #1366 of 2452 🔗

Friend sent em this:

The Chinese biological laboratory in Wuhan is owned by Glaxo!
Who, by chance, owns Pfizer! (the one who produces the vaccine!)
Which, by chance, is managed by Black Rock finances.
Who, by chance, manages the finances of the Open Foundation Company (SOROS FOUNDATION)!
Which, by chance, serves the French AXA!
Coincidentally, he owns the German company Winterthur.
Who, by chance, built the Chinese laboratory in Wuhan!
Accidentally bought by the German Allianz.
Which, incidentally, has Vanguard as a shareholder.
Which is a shareholder of Black Rock.
Which controls the central banks and manages about ONE THIRD of the global investment capital.
Which, incidentally, is a major shareholder of MICROSOFT
The property of BILL GATES, who happens to be a shareholder of PFIZER (which sells the miracle VACCINE) and is currently the first sponsor of WHO !!!
If it is not clear enough why a bat came in and grabbed the SNAKE and the ENTIRE PLANET became infected

282816 ▶▶ G.Fawkes, replying to Awkward Git, 4, #1367 of 2452 🔗

I am Jack’s complete lack of surprise.

282825 ▶▶ Country Mumkin, replying to Awkward Git, 7, #1368 of 2452 🔗

Oh the b**st**ds. It doesn’t surprise me one iota, although I’m dreading seeing the images of the innocents people lining up for this vax.

282867 ▶▶ Ben, replying to Awkward Git, 2, #1369 of 2452 🔗

Wow!

282895 ▶▶ Tenchy, replying to Awkward Git, 1, #1370 of 2452 🔗

Bit of a piss take? Not heard that about the Wuhan laboratory, and I’d be very surprised if it was true. Who owns Pfizer? I do, in part. And Glaxo, and Microsoft and many of the others (via pension and other investments).

283246 ▶▶▶ Jo Dominich -, replying to Tenchy, 2, #1371 of 2452 🔗

It is true. Having had a good look at it all from the start I am in no doubt that China knew this was some kind of biological weapon unleashed by the USA (there is quite a bit of evidence for this too) which is why they took immediate action such as isolatiom hospitals and a short lockdown. At the time it was stated it was a WHO lab.

That’s why there is such an anti China narrative.

282949 ▶▶ Pebbles, replying to Awkward Git, 3, #1372 of 2452 🔗

Can you please send this to Toby et al? Coz every time I sent them this, they will blatantly ignore my emails… as they did with the very reputable study of the nano contamination of vaccines by the Italian Institute for Nanodiagnostics – non-compatible with humans and non-degradable, inexplicable contamination…. and NO WORD from LS editorial staff.

282990 ▶▶ Noumenon, replying to Awkward Git, #1373 of 2452 🔗

Looks a bit like six degrees of separation. Was I responsible for Kevin Bacon deciding to do TV adverts then?

282814 theanalyst, replying to theanalyst, 5, #1374 of 2452 🔗

Latest weekly national flu and covid-19 is now out

https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/940878/Weekly_Flu_and_COVID-19_report_w49.pdf

Key indicators clearly show a strong trend of moving very sharply in the right direction. Positivity rates down, cases down, etc etc. Great news for those who read it.

But because everyone who can think for themselves now knows the PCR tests are garbage, we can conclude most of the report itself is rubbish…except for some of the key indicators which never showed a rise at all (because they are not underpinned by PCR tests) since the pandemic ended in May.

Possibly all the report really shows is that PRC tests are slightly less rubbish than they were a couple of months ago, and that less people are getting tested.

This should means thing can all get back to normal now. Still not much flu either.

282818 ▶▶ Anothersceptic2, replying to theanalyst, 3, #1375 of 2452 🔗

Flu still nowhere to be seen?

282837 ▶▶▶ theanalyst, replying to Anothersceptic2, 2, #1376 of 2452 🔗

A tiny amount can be seen on page 17. Small hint that it may start to make more of an appearance as SARS-CoV-2 positivity continues to fall, not that I understand this stuff.

282862 ▶▶▶ Bella Donna, replying to Anothersceptic2, 7, #1377 of 2452 🔗

It’s a miracle, influenza has been eradicated! Praise be! 🙏

283125 ▶▶▶ mhcp, replying to Anothersceptic2, #1378 of 2452 🔗

Most likely due to priority for Covid screening of patients. In summer it appeared the general numbers were lower so resources were freed.

Interesting that before the test splurge flu cases were following the usual curve

282842 ▶▶ DRW, replying to theanalyst, 3, #1379 of 2452 🔗

The second ripple should be over by February. Hence why they’re desperate to push a “vaccine” before it fades. Although they could try to contrive a third from mass testing again.

283000 ▶▶ PoshPanic, replying to theanalyst, 1, #1380 of 2452 🔗

Even as a layman looking at this, it’s clear that this simply isn’t credible. There is a huge anomaly from what would be expected at this time of year for these seasonal viruses.

282823 Andrea Salford, replying to Andrea Salford, 18, #1381 of 2452 🔗

I don’t think the vaccine yet is the danger as much as the reason for it. By which I mean, I’m speculating that this vaccine will be pretty safe – as the eyes of the world are on us they cannot risk any problems with an unknown vaccine so it’s probably just saline. Once we’re all reassured and the sceptics and doubters have been proved wrong we’ll all submit to our safe vaccine and be on the digital system with our Cert Of Vaccine ID and conditioned to accept regular vaccines based on whatever virus fear story is put out via World/government propaganda. If we are all good citizens then the narrative will be adjusted as appropriate to keep us regularly vaccinated – remember Hancock’s assertion we should be regularly tested if we have a cold – seed planted – and now JVT saying we could be wearing masks forever – seed planted, strings to pull in the MSM.

The efficacy of this vaccine is irrelevant in terms of whether it stops C19, we know it’s just a respiratory disease and endemic with a majority immunity. If you have symptoms and you had the jab then you’ve got a normal cold/flu, if you didn’t have the jab then it’ll be labelled C19 and you’ll be demonised.

The threat is what’s down the line in the content of future jabs.
Lockdowns/masks/testing/propaganda narrative – these are their weapons in this war that the majority population can’t/won’t see and can’t/won’t fight.

Just a theory……that keeps me up at night.

282839 ▶▶ steve_w, replying to Andrea Salford, 4, #1382 of 2452 🔗

My hope is that when the hysterics are over, the powerful people who don’t want lockdowns and masks will start doing something. the oil companies, airlines, politicians who like spending their constituents hard earned money – when there isn’t any

282909 ▶▶▶ DRW, replying to steve_w, 1, #1383 of 2452 🔗

My fear is it will go the way of the War on Terror- it never really ends, just fades into the background.

282848 ▶▶ wendy, replying to Andrea Salford, 11, #1384 of 2452 🔗

I have a feeling a lot of people will begin avoiding any testing if they can get away with it. They will become dissidents. I don’t see much concern apart from young people in their 20s, about this virus. Trying to get 67 million people many of whom don’t trust the government to take a vaccine will be hard for them.

283049 ▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to wendy, 2, #1385 of 2452 🔗

Trying to get 67 million people many of whom don’t trust the government to take a vaccine will be hard for them.

– hard
+ impossible

282857 ▶▶ RickH, replying to Andrea Salford, 5, #1386 of 2452 🔗

Good points.

I’m speculating that this vaccine will be pretty safe” – or as safe as can be expected after massively shortened trialing.

I reckon you’re right – Big Pharma isn’t totally daft.

But it is that short-circuiting that is the problem. What is the point of an ‘independent’ regulatory framework that can be abandoned on the whim of a government, or a regulator that just rolls over when the government pushes. It hardly inspires confidence – except in really proven exceptional circumstances. And this isn’t such.

283029 ▶▶▶ Andrea Salford, replying to RickH, 2, #1387 of 2452 🔗

I don’t think there’ll be anything other than saline or suchlike in this vaccine rollout so the shortened trialling and short circuited approval process aren’t the problem. You don’t need to be vaccinated against the virus to survive. It’s the means to compliance to a totally digitalised way of control of our lives that is the threat.

282891 ▶▶ AN other lockdown sceptic, replying to Andrea Salford, 5, #1388 of 2452 🔗

Sadly, I have the same theory which troubles me a lot also.

282957 ▶▶ watashi, replying to Andrea Salford, 3, #1389 of 2452 🔗

I’d like to see the patient information leaflet for the vaccine

282961 ▶▶ stefarm, replying to Andrea Salford, 2, #1391 of 2452 🔗

Oh yes, I agree. The you know what is a distraction from the real bad stuff to come. It’s all been a test up to now and the masses have passed.

I actually think Boris is in a bit deep now and he can’t turn back.

283228 ▶▶▶ richard riewer, replying to stefarm, 1, #1392 of 2452 🔗

He has been baton twirling from the front of the march since the beginning.

282838 wendy, replying to wendy, 37, #1393 of 2452 🔗

I walked into Manchester City centre to do a little shopping. There’s no shortage of people about. I gave a busker some money as I was so grateful to hear his flute playing whilst I was forced to drink my take away coffee sitting outside because our government believe it too dangerous for me to sit alone inside a cafe, we clasped hands and he nor I gave a fig about distancing.

In the few shops I went in it was middle age people who were unmasked, including myself I am 62. The assistants when I paid were all welcoming and though masked, they didn’t appear to fear my breathing would kill them!!

But it is young people, in their 20s, who are the most masked. Why? They are walking about in the open air masked and look afraid. Some trades folks were just getting on with their work, no distancing, no masks.

If all these young people are so frightened they will be pushing us to the back of the vaccine queue anyway, not that any of us here will be getting in said queue. Does anyone understand why they are frightened and what they are getting out of being afraid? I don’t understand their fear at all.

282856 ▶▶ Ceriain, replying to wendy, 18, #1394 of 2452 🔗

we clasped hands and he nor I gave a fig about distancing.

Good for you, wendy. 🙂

282870 ▶▶ Charlie Blue, replying to wendy, 12, #1395 of 2452 🔗

Are the young people frightened or just utterly miserable because they are following all the rules? Are they fearful that they will be accused of being murderers, or simply socially irresponsible (horror of horros) if they do not outwardly display the correct attitude?

I imagine many people are just generally in a state of high anxiety now, whatever their age. It might not be about their health, but the loss of all normality and ability to make any decisions for themselves.

282881 ▶▶▶ Banjones, replying to Charlie Blue, 11, #1396 of 2452 🔗

Frightened or miserable? No, I don’t think so. It’s just not much in the way of thought at all. They’ve heard about masks, seen photos from the far east, and just do it. After all, the education system today doesn’t exactly encourage enquiring minds and individualism. Peer group pressure is far more of a driving force.

283694 ▶▶▶▶ Borisbullshit, replying to Banjones, 1, #1397 of 2452 🔗

Yes its the desire to follow conventional wisdom….they actually think that makes them look intelligent and anyone who disagrees is stupid.

282871 ▶▶ Henry, replying to wendy, 4, #1398 of 2452 🔗

It’s a fear of possibly being responsible for someone else’s death (no matter how small a chance that may be). It’s a shift in the moral baseline occuring over the last 20 years or so.

282965 ▶▶▶ wendy, replying to Henry, 3, #1399 of 2452 🔗

That is why I gave my age, they must see I am not afraid and I don’t need their protection.

283033 ▶▶▶▶ Henry, replying to wendy, 2, #1400 of 2452 🔗

I fear they don’t care about your protection, rather the elderly they know personally. The behavioural programming is to make it personal. Sure, a lot will be virtue signalling through what social media dictates. Who really stops for thought about the ~1600 people who die everyday? The moral baseline is shifting in all areas though behavioural targeting to make it personal. I’m sure this will be the case to ban ICE vehicles, make eating meat seem dirty and maybe keeping face masks (say mandatory when the clocks change back and non mandatory when they go forward). The cultural anthropology is a fascinating study (imo accelerated by social media).

283053 ▶▶▶▶▶ wendy, replying to Henry, #1401 of 2452 🔗

Gee!!! Is there something in this about hygiene and risk taking then?

283091 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Henry, replying to wendy, 1, #1402 of 2452 🔗

Personal risk taking is fine so long as it can no way impact on someone else, or else that someone else could be granny. Something like that anyway. The question remains at what point does sterilising life without risk have a negative impact upon other people, including granny.

283224 ▶▶▶ richard riewer, replying to Henry, 1, #1403 of 2452 🔗

Communitarian Hive Mind. Re: Mark Windows.

283701 ▶▶▶ Borisbullshit, replying to Henry, #1404 of 2452 🔗

I think you are right and that bodes very badly for the future when that lot are in charge. We will all have to wear cyber man suits in case we give anyone anything even a cold!

282872 ▶▶ G.Fawkes, replying to wendy, 18, #1405 of 2452 🔗

Their world is the social media hive mind. Electronic groupthink. Digital conformity. Propaganda can reach out and touch them, anywhere, anytime, anyplace. It is not a surprise that they are the most brainwashed. But the methods are insidious as well – youthful rebellion has been channeled toward pro-status quo themes by cunning subversion. Mistrust of older generations sewn. They believe themselves alone, righteous, misunderstood. They have been completly mindfucked, and are now the New Humans. The culmination of over a century of perfected persuasion. It is terrifying.

282907 ▶▶▶ Bella Donna, replying to G.Fawkes, 7, #1406 of 2452 🔗

So true, the social media hive mentality and mind fucking hits the nail on the head. ⚒️

282930 ▶▶▶ maggie may, replying to G.Fawkes, 10, #1407 of 2452 🔗

Also the way masks are being sold on Facebook they’re pretty much seen as a fashion accessory. Some of these people will go on wearing them just for that reason i suspect.

283274 ▶▶▶▶ Lms23, replying to maggie may, #1408 of 2452 🔗

Until the next generation rebels and refuses to wear them because it’s fashionable not to.

282944 ▶▶▶ wendy, replying to G.Fawkes, 6, #1409 of 2452 🔗

Blimey, it is terrifying.

282951 ▶▶▶ awildgoose, replying to G.Fawkes, 4, #1410 of 2452 🔗

This is most clearly seen on Tweets about anti-lockdown protests.

Invariably the responses are screeching autistic mobs ritualistically denouncing the protesters as, “selfish, morons, granny-killers,” etc.

283278 ▶▶▶▶ Lms23, replying to awildgoose, 2, #1411 of 2452 🔗

I’m guessing they’ve missed that many of the protesters are grannies and granddads…

283009 ▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to G.Fawkes, 3, #1412 of 2452 🔗

It is terrifying.

True, but also absolutely hilarious.

283028 ▶▶▶▶ G.Fawkes, replying to JohnB, 1, #1413 of 2452 🔗

The naive righteousness is certainly entertaining when you corner one of them and assault them with dangerous wrongthink.

283131 ▶▶▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to G.Fawkes, 1, #1414 of 2452 🔗

Heh. Son of a friend went to a local BLM meeting. He just did not get why I asked him if needed any mind bleach. Not at all.

282873 ▶▶ Banjones, replying to wendy, 11, #1415 of 2452 🔗

Yes, it’s sad to see so many young ‘uns muzzled-up in the open air. That they haven’t taken the trouble to educate themselves about transmission, or the benefits of oxygen, or the detrimental effects of too much muzzle-wearing – this is very depressing.

283014 ▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to Banjones, 3, #1416 of 2452 🔗

Darwinism. Those that have self educated will survive to procreate.

283704 ▶▶▶ Borisbullshit, replying to Banjones, #1417 of 2452 🔗

Let them suffer the ill effects of mask wearing….serves the sanctimonious pricks right.

282878 ▶▶ PatrickF, replying to wendy, 14, #1418 of 2452 🔗

Peer pressure, herd instinct and they’ve been taught what to think, not how to think.

282884 ▶▶ annie, replying to wendy, 15, #1419 of 2452 🔗

They are the second cotton-wool generation – never had to face even the slightest risk or take the smallest decision – ,and the first to experience life entirely through a computer screen.Reality doesn’t fit with their frame of reference.

282885 ▶▶ Dave Angel Eco Warrier, replying to wendy, 9, #1420 of 2452 🔗

The message that ‘we are all going to die’ has been (and continues to be) extremely powerful. It has been relentless and ruthless in convincing millions of people that every other person they come across is a walking ball of evil Covids. Many younger people will not have seen, heard or read anything other than the official narrative and therefore sincerely believe that absolutely everywhere, everything and everyone is a life-threatening risk. Indeed, as Peter Hitchens says, many are not even aware there are opposing views such is the strength of the governement perspective aided and abetted by most of the MSM.

282899 ▶▶▶ wendy, replying to Dave Angel Eco Warrier, 12, #1421 of 2452 🔗

It’s a complete mystery to me as I am sure many of the young will be on the left so why do they believe a conservative government and want to follow their rules?

If I get too close to them in the open street for their comfort, remember I am 62, and they are 20ish, they look like I am going to kill them. I feel like I want to shake them.

283712 ▶▶▶▶ Borisbullshit, replying to wendy, #1422 of 2452 🔗

I get as close as i can to them….well if they are pretty girls anyway lol…..and yes their faces are hilarious.

282938 ▶▶▶ wendy, replying to Dave Angel Eco Warrier, 4, #1423 of 2452 🔗

But I hear that message and think it is a load of balls. Why don’t others?

283709 ▶▶▶ Borisbullshit, replying to Dave Angel Eco Warrier, #1424 of 2452 🔗

Guess what…we are all going to die lol…none of us is getting out of here alive!

282894 ▶▶ Wolver, replying to wendy, 13, #1425 of 2452 🔗

Lack of critical thought taught in school. I’m mid 30’s, when I got to uni in the very first lecture the lecturer stated “forget everything you’ve been taught in school, we’re going to reprogram you to think for yourself”.

282982 ▶▶▶ DRW, replying to Wolver, 7, #1426 of 2452 🔗

If only universities still taught that. Or even actually still taught at all.

282900 ▶▶ DRW, replying to wendy, 6, #1427 of 2452 🔗

Most people never cease disappointing me, but especially most my age.

282911 ▶▶▶ wendy, replying to DRW, 11, #1428 of 2452 🔗

Are you young DRW?

I am going on the Manchester protest on Sunday and it will be older folks as before.

What has happened to young folks? It’s young folks of a certain type though. Where I live is surrounded by a lot of poor areas and these young are not frightened. As I walk about these days I feel I have more in common with young folks trading drugs in back streets that middle class young.

282937 ▶▶▶▶ DRW, replying to wendy, 7, #1429 of 2452 🔗

I am Wendy. I agree there’s definitely a class divide, round here the local teenagers from the unaffluent estates were the only ones not complying with LD1 back in Spring. But it still must be the least sceptical age group, even children must be at least aware of the absurdity of it all.

282945 ▶▶▶▶ Charlie Blue, replying to wendy, 5, #1430 of 2452 🔗

I noticed plenty of young people at the London protest last weekend.

283062 ▶▶▶▶▶ wendy, replying to Charlie Blue, 1, #1431 of 2452 🔗

Yes in deed, it’s true about the last Manchester one too

282959 ▶▶▶▶ Rosie, replying to wendy, 1, #1432 of 2452 🔗

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282903 ▶▶ RickH, replying to wendy, #1433 of 2452 🔗

Sad to see divisive and reverse ageism from the older farts here who should know better.

It’s about propaganda – and its effects across generations, and a complex of different susceptibilities/experience.

Self-righteous belly-aching about this or that object of resentment certainly isn’t going to cut any mustard. It’s the older generations that made this shit-show world, remember.

282916 ▶▶▶ wendy, replying to RickH, 6, #1434 of 2452 🔗

Interesting way to see things. I have said below that it’s not poor young or young trades people. My own back ground is a mining community in Yorkshire so perhaps I don’t understand the middle classes of all ages and am being unfair to middle class youngsters.

282932 ▶▶▶ wendy, replying to RickH, 2, #1435 of 2452 🔗

Rick I didn’t intend it to be ageist, I suppose I don’t understand

282976 ▶▶▶ wendy, replying to RickH, 4, #1436 of 2452 🔗

Rick, you’ve helped me to think about things a bit more. I suppose I don’t trust any governments or media so would question everything.

I have a post grad in public health too and worked in HIV prevention and drug and alcohol harm reduction for many years so I am already questioning of most things.

282978 ▶▶▶ Andrea Salford, replying to RickH, 6, #1437 of 2452 🔗

What a nasty comment. Wendy simply wondered why young people are masking up outside given it’s not mandated and not a threat to them. It was her observations from her visit to the city centre. She didn’t use language like you – old farts…self righteous etc.

283039 ▶▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to Andrea Salford, 4, #1438 of 2452 🔗

RickH projects quite a bit … “ Self-righteous belly-aching …”. 🙂

283083 ▶▶▶▶▶ wendy, replying to JohnB, 4, #1439 of 2452 🔗

Thanks John and Andrea, I did feel a bit stung.

283729 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Borisbullshit, replying to wendy, 2, #1440 of 2452 🔗

Don’t let him intimidate you….I thought your observations were very true. You have just as much right to your view as he has. He gets abused by Biker sometimes too so what comes around goes around! Its all part of our wonderfully united sceptic community!

283725 ▶▶▶▶ Borisbullshit, replying to Andrea Salford, 2, #1441 of 2452 🔗

Rick can be a nasty old fart…but sometimes he is nice too. He just has certain trigger points when his ‘issues’ are pricked.

283718 ▶▶▶ Borisbullshit, replying to RickH, 2, #1442 of 2452 🔗

Oh come off it Rick…stop making excuses for everyone all the time. When I was young there was a lot of pro Mrs Thatcher propaganda around but I did not always go along with it. You yourself have seen through it so why cant others.

282913 ▶▶ Fingerache Philip., replying to wendy, 3, #1443 of 2452 🔗

I think that it covers all age groups but especially the “Coffin Dodgers”
PS: I’m 72 next week.

282954 ▶▶ calchas, replying to wendy, 8, #1444 of 2452 🔗

Young people more masked.

Why?

More subject to peer pressure, their brains are marinated in social media propaganda.

283171 ▶▶▶ richard riewer, replying to calchas, 1, #1445 of 2452 🔗

Vaccinate Greta Thunberg televised by satellite around the world. Put up or shut up GT!

282977 ▶▶ Noumenon, replying to wendy, 3, #1446 of 2452 🔗

I think that one of the big differences is that young people feel more pressured and judged by the ethic of “social distance and wear a mask to protect others”. This is ultimately because older people are seen as being more at risk and therefore if older people choose not to wear a mask and not distance they are in some way taking risk upon themselves. The young can’t take risk upon themselves because this thing supposedly doesn’t really affect them. The young are living under an ethic of being potential murderers, the old under the ethic of being potential victims.

283047 ▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to Noumenon, #1447 of 2452 🔗

The young are living under an ethic of being potential murderers, …

They should get a move on creating their own ‘ethic’ then.

Are entheogens no longer generally available ? 🙂

283354 ▶▶▶▶ Noumenon, replying to JohnB, 1, #1448 of 2452 🔗

I wasn’t around in the day and I think hippies had their big faults, but hell, I wish I lived and died in 60’s California, frankly.

283379 ▶▶▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to Noumenon, #1449 of 2452 🔗

Not sure what hippies’ big faults were/are ? Bogarting joints, possibly. 🙂

As Grace Slick once sang “The day is on its way, the day is ours !”. I should suggest that one to Toby – anyone know which track it is please – from ‘Blows Against the Empire’.

283090 ▶▶▶ wendy, replying to Noumenon, #1450 of 2452 🔗

Oh dear that is very very sad. How can we get through to them that there is no need?

283142 ▶▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to wendy, 1, #1451 of 2452 🔗

Heh, I initially read that as ‘… there is no weed.’. Great minds think alike, when the Universe chips in.

283318 ▶▶▶▶ Noumenon, replying to wendy, 3, #1452 of 2452 🔗

Unfortunately, I really don’t know, and that’s partly because in my opinion the problem is much deeper than the current crisis.

A lot of young people I know are desensitised and depressed (I feel I am to an extent, certainly depressed anyway) and they spend too much time in an “idealised” and subservient head space. They’ve been infantilised for decades now as many of us have. They are generations that are scarred by a disintegration of extended family, the destruction of meaningful occupations and role models, hypersexualisation vs. the destruction of courtship practices or accessible ways of “settling down” and finding love, information overload, gig evonomy, stressful exam culture fostered at school from a very early age, lack of unstructured physical and mental activities as children (fostering lack of imagination and low self confidence), lack of access to nature.

The above are just the tip of the iceberg but they have bred generations of people, in my opinion (from personal experience), who want essentially to be close to others and achieve things but who simply don’t know how. They desparately want it, really they do (some suicidally or self harmingly as a result), but they don’t have the mental tools. I can only think that it requires a disaster to make them know that what’s good in life you have to take, you don’t wait to pass an exam, so to speak.

283344 ▶▶▶▶▶ wendy, replying to Noumenon, #1453 of 2452 🔗

That is very very sad. Instead of seeing that the environment is worse I see it as getting better. No pit heads, no men lost in mining accidents.

283342 ▶▶▶▶ Noumenon, replying to wendy, 1, #1454 of 2452 🔗

The mask is analogous to taking an exam to get the good grades to go to uni, or learning the “duck speak” to get employed via interview, or acting a certain way to get laid, or whatever banal and arbitrary things people have to do these days just to live and get basic needs fulfilled.

To put it simply, the whole of society is neurotic and won’t take a moment to come together and JUST BE.

283159 ▶▶ Tom in Scotland, replying to wendy, 11, #1455 of 2452 🔗

I’m a university lecturer and can safely say that most young people are idiots.

283173 ▶▶ Marialta, replying to wendy, 3, #1456 of 2452 🔗

Wendy, If you are 62 chances are you played outside unsupervised as a child, swam in the sea without armbands, rode your bike without a helmet and fell off it until you got it right.

Young people have been schooled into fear and grown up in a different ‘health & safety’ culture. Along comes a ‘killer virus’ and they can’t judge risk as well maybe and aren’t as resilient. They want protection and will take the vaccine to quell the fear.

283269 ▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to Marialta, 2, #1457 of 2452 🔗

Mandatory judo and/or kendo in all schools, all pupils.

283319 ▶▶▶ wendy, replying to Marialta, 5, #1458 of 2452 🔗

Well yes, and am still riding my bike without a helmet. And run, mountain climb and still swim in the sea. My home town had pit heads all over, friends were miners children. I hadn’t realised it was such a different world. I run most nights on my own, on dark streets, I don’t have many fears.

283745 ▶▶▶▶ Borisbullshit, replying to wendy, 1, #1459 of 2452 🔗

Yes fuck those bloody ‘brain’ helmets and the lycra.

283741 ▶▶▶ Borisbullshit, replying to Marialta, 1, #1460 of 2452 🔗

Yes i think the playing out is the crucial difference. When playing out ended in the 1990s child psychologists used to wonder what the long term effects would be. Now we know.

283232 ▶▶ Stringfellow Hawke, replying to wendy, 2, #1461 of 2452 🔗

Does anyone understand why they are frightened and what they are getting out of being afraid?”
It wasn’t that long ago large numbers of students voted to ban clapping because they found it horrendous, got triggered by the sight of a Military uniform worn by an Army recruiter at Cambridge so had to ban that, and many even posted online about how they could no longer carry on in a world where [several years ago now] Alan Sugar appointed 2 candidates the winner, in one season of the Apprentice, instead of just one. Things must really have got real for some of them this year.

283690 ▶▶ Borisbullshit, replying to wendy, 1, #1462 of 2452 🔗

I am from manchester originally but now live in Shropshire. Manchester is very different from when I grew up there…its full of crazy numbers of students from outside the area. They are mostly middle class and very woke and love virtue signalling. They face zero danger themselves but they love to show how ‘caring’ they are to their friends.

282846 Bella Donna, replying to Bella Donna, 5, #1463 of 2452 🔗

I’m wondering if the vaccinated when tested would then result in a positive result. And so on and so forth, rinse, repeat ad infinitum.

282880 ▶▶ annie, replying to Bella Donna, 2, #1464 of 2452 🔗

Must do.

282901 ▶▶▶ Bella Donna, replying to annie, 1, #1465 of 2452 🔗

It’s a merry go round of testing testing testing.

283004 ▶▶ PoshPanic, replying to Bella Donna, 2, #1466 of 2452 🔗

What’s the betting the cycle rates on the tests will magically drop from next week?

283161 ▶▶ richard riewer, replying to Bella Donna, #1467 of 2452 🔗

Dear Matt: You go first.

282863 Banjones, replying to Banjones, 5, #1468 of 2452 🔗

I’ve just watched this again. What happened to these normal-sounding and positive people who were obviously telling the truth? (Though BJ looks a tad uncomfortable – perhaps he knew what was in the pipeline….)

I don’t know about Vallance – but I wouldn’t be surprised if Wittery has been leaned-on… How does it feel, Prof W:
”to hear the truth you’ve spoken twisted by knaves to make a trap for fools….”?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=adj8MCsZKlg&feature=youtu.be

282879 ▶▶ Ceriain, replying to Banjones, 2, #1469 of 2452 🔗

Yeah, I posted the transcript of Whitty’s bit earlier today.

It is interesting how it’s changed from what he said then about the virus, to what they say now about it.

282887 ▶▶▶ Banjones, replying to Ceriain, 2, #1470 of 2452 🔗

I’m about to send it to my useless, self-serving and hypocritical MP in case she’s forgotten.

282919 ▶▶▶▶ Ceriain, replying to Banjones, 1, #1471 of 2452 🔗

Go for it!

283081 ▶▶ tinxx, replying to Banjones, #1472 of 2452 🔗

This is a very sobering reality check of just how far this nonsense has shifted – perhaps someone can edit a compare and contrast version with the halloween eve exponential death chart event and ask the question -so what happened? Perhaps someone could suggest it appear “above the fold” on LS

282866 godowneasy, replying to godowneasy, 7, #1473 of 2452 🔗

Britain is so lucky to have people like Gav – you should be proud:

Coronavirus: UK got vaccine first because it’s ‘a better country’, says Gavin Williamson https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-55175162

Excerpts:

Mr Williamson said: “I just reckon we’ve got the very best people in this country and we’ve obviously got the best medical regulator, much better than the French have, much better than the Belgians have, much better than the Americans have.
“That doesn’t surprise me at all, because we’re a much better country than every single one of them.”
He said the UK had a “real competitive advantage, but do you know who it’s down to? It’s down to those brilliant, brilliant clinicians in the regulator who’ve made it happen so fast, so our thanks go out to them because by doing what they’ve done, they’re going to have saved lives.”

282874 ▶▶ Will, replying to godowneasy, 11, #1474 of 2452 🔗

There are famous last words and there are famous last words. It is not a great surprise that Williamson should come out with quite such a ludicrously stupid statement.

282883 ▶▶▶ RickH, replying to Will, 7, #1475 of 2452 🔗

You’re right there Will – he is really up there with the creme de la creme of pillocks.

282875 ▶▶ annie, replying to godowneasy, 12, #1476 of 2452 🔗

How brown is HIS nose?
Save lives. Force an untested vaccine on frail elderly people.
Yeah..

282892 ▶▶▶ Bella Donna, replying to annie, 1, #1477 of 2452 🔗

Very brown.

282876 ▶▶ mattghg, replying to godowneasy, #1478 of 2452 🔗

wut

282902 ▶▶ vargas99, replying to godowneasy, 2, #1479 of 2452 🔗

Especially those “brilliant clinicians..” with the Glaxo/Pfizer/ etc shareholdings

282996 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to godowneasy, 2, #1480 of 2452 🔗

The Dystopia World Cup is ours