2020-12-04

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284105 Chloe, replying to Chloe, 4, #1 of 1936 🔗

First? Where are you all!

284142 ▶▶ OKUK, replying to Chloe, 3, #2 of 1936 🔗

At the back…biding my time.

284157 ▶▶ Lms23, replying to Chloe, #3 of 1936 🔗

Here!
Good morning!

284346 ▶▶ mjr, replying to Chloe, #4 of 1936 🔗

out shopping.

284108 arfurmo, 1, #5 of 1936 🔗

Silver?

284111 Ned of the Hills, replying to Ned of the Hills, 16, #6 of 1936 🔗

When the number of reported death were announced yesterday I saw them as confirming that mortalities are now declining, as this week’s highest day’s total is almost certain to be Wednesday’s which was lower than the highest day’s total for the previous week.

This is the first time it has happened since September that the highest day’s total has been less than the previous week’s. A decline!

That wasn’t reported on Radio 4. The News focussed instead on the total deaths now going above 60,000.

284144 ▶▶ mhcp, replying to Ned of the Hills, 13, #7 of 1936 🔗

The problem with the total deaths to Covid is that it is summing two separate seasons. Bit like saying deaths from the Flu are now above 100,000 for the last two years.

284240 ▶▶▶ Saved To Death, replying to mhcp, 27, #8 of 1936 🔗

The other problem with total deaths to covid is that they are not deaths to covid.

284807 ▶▶▶▶ Rowan, replying to Saved To Death, 9, #9 of 1936 🔗

I would suggest that many of them are not even deaths “with covid”.

284660 ▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Ned of the Hills, 5, #10 of 1936 🔗

Typical sleight of hand.

285341 ▶▶ PWL, replying to Ned of the Hills, 1, #11 of 1936 🔗

Yes, but none of it means anything. For christ’s sake, how hasn’t this been digested yet after all this time? All you people who come here everyday for your adjustment into Covid-19 normalcy, who are waiting for to tell you this stuff? Toby Young ain’t going to. He’s not here to do that.

So, once again: if people didn’t die of a pneumonia caused by SARS-COV to ACE2 binding at the lung, they didn’t die of Covid-19.

Covid-19 In A Nutshell

284116 Judy Watson, #12 of 1936 🔗

$th – took a while to fire up the computer

284117 Chloe, replying to Chloe, 62, #13 of 1936 🔗

Grant Shapps announces quarantine exemption for business travellers – “high value travellers” will not have to isolate. A disgusting display of one rule for the rich and another for the peasants. A sign of more to come?

284122 ▶▶ IanE, replying to Chloe, 16, #14 of 1936 🔗

Brings to mind the class-war sketches from That Was The Week That Was with Ronnie Corbett’s ‘I know my place’!

284163 ▶▶ Lms23, replying to Chloe, 32, #15 of 1936 🔗

Just heard the Business Secretary tell the same thing to JHB on Talk Radio. His excuse was that the UK needs inward investment. Didn’t explain how very rich people are immune.

Anyone else smell a rat??

284359 ▶▶▶ Suziqu, replying to Lms23, 15, #16 of 1936 🔗

There are so many smelly rats out there that the stench is becoming overwhelming……..

284722 ▶▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Suziqu, 5, #17 of 1936 🔗

What with the smelly rats and the stinky red herrings. Maybe face nappies aren’t such a bad idea after all.

On second thoughts ……

284173 ▶▶ penelope pitstop, replying to Chloe, 13, #18 of 1936 🔗

they don’t want the dirty unwashed to be able to travel and making it exceeding difficult to do so with all the restrictions and tests etc. I know i’ve spent hours trying to find an escape plan for december (without taking a test and preferably without quarantine on return, and where insurance will cover you but almost impossible!)

284246 ▶▶▶ Chloe, replying to penelope pitstop, 19, #19 of 1936 🔗

You need a negative PCR test, but not just any free NHS negative PCR test but a privately funded one for £100+ pounds… which you can’t book because everywhere is already full. Vaccines next. Travelling soon to become the luxury of the rich.

284291 ▶▶▶▶ Jonathan Smith, replying to Chloe, 11, #20 of 1936 🔗

Cost me £160 for my private test and certificate in order to travel to Italy. The testing venue wasn’t full – indeed, I saw the manifest at reception and I was the only person booked that day. In the event, although I was stopped by Italian authorities and subjected to passport checks and questions, nobody asked me for my test result, not once.

284360 ▶▶▶▶ Suziqu, replying to Chloe, 5, #21 of 1936 🔗

All part of the Plan.

284723 ▶▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Chloe, 3, #22 of 1936 🔗

We’ll have to paddle our own canoes.

On the other hand, refugee Brits capsizing in the Channel will probably just be shot at by the French, in revenge for Waterloo.

284763 ▶▶▶▶▶ Disruption, replying to Cheezilla, 5, #23 of 1936 🔗

Pay people smugglers to get you across channel in a boat? Seem to be pretty successful.

285038 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Rowan, replying to Disruption, 5, #24 of 1936 🔗

They are now bookings both ways.

284301 ▶▶▶ Adam, replying to penelope pitstop, 5, #25 of 1936 🔗

Yet the great unwashed still voted Tory or labour last December people get the Government they deserve

284497 ▶▶▶▶ annie, replying to Adam, 14, #26 of 1936 🔗

Last December we weren’t prisoners of a fascist government backed by a stalinist opposition. (Vice versa in Wales, makes no difference.)

Now when was it I last washed?

284191 ▶▶ thinkaboutit, replying to Chloe, 12, #27 of 1936 🔗

Zil lanes for the rich.

284194 ▶▶ calchas, replying to Chloe, 2, #28 of 1936 🔗

So, how many grannies will that kill?

284207 ▶▶ Crystal Decanter, replying to Chloe, 15, #29 of 1936 🔗

So the Elite are already immune from the Coof?
This virus just gets more discerning by the day

284344 ▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to Crystal Decanter, 5, #30 of 1936 🔗

I think it’s read The Great Gatsby – “the rich are different from you and me”

284784 ▶▶▶ Nsklent, replying to Crystal Decanter, 7, #31 of 1936 🔗

Equally have found on certain airlines, business class relaxed about muzzles, economy class compulsory. Indeed old coroni is a snob.

284340 ▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to Chloe, 14, #32 of 1936 🔗

This is pretty much the greens’ wet dream – travelling only for the rich while the rest of us should know our place and be grateful for being able to go to Blackpool.

284688 ▶▶▶ Mel, replying to Bart Simpson, 4, #33 of 1936 🔗

We can’t go to blackpool

284366 ▶▶ JanMasarykMunich, replying to Chloe, 11, #34 of 1936 🔗

Maybe I am naive, but shouldn’t there be a legal challenge to such discrimination?

284428 ▶▶ Jay Berger, replying to Chloe, 9, #35 of 1936 🔗

And you think Bill&co wear masks in their private jets…?!

284729 ▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Jay Berger, 2, #36 of 1936 🔗

His will be really smelly rubber. He is rather weird …..

284493 ▶▶ charleyfarley, replying to Chloe, 4, #38 of 1936 🔗

For “high value travellers” read “politicians”.

284731 ▶▶ Ben, replying to Chloe, 9, #39 of 1936 🔗

I’ve seen some people describe the Corona Scandal as a ‘class war’.

Tony Blair flew back from the United States and broke quarantine rules and as far as I know he wasn’t fined or reprimanded. And another article that revealed Gov’t plans to allow jet setting business people to bypass quarantine rules

A deadly virus eh?

285105 ▶▶▶ Bella Donna, replying to Ben, 5, #40 of 1936 🔗

Of course it’s a class war. They think we’ve got too uppity and want to put up back in our boxes. Brexit brought their plans forward. RESIST!

285796 ▶▶▶▶ Rowan, replying to Bella Donna, 1, #41 of 1936 🔗

The box they want to put us in is usually about six foot long.

284752 ▶▶ Llamasaurus Rex, replying to Chloe, 5, #42 of 1936 🔗

Inner Party members will get all the breaks. What a surprise?! None of us saw this kind of evil crap coming… in ever greater, more brazen, manifestations.

284839 ▶▶ richard riewer, replying to Chloe, 2, #43 of 1936 🔗

Most of the people that brought the virus with them from China and infected Europe and the rest of the globe flew Business Class.

285044 ▶▶▶ Rowan, replying to richard riewer, 1, #44 of 1936 🔗

Is that what you really believe?

285202 ▶▶ Sim18, replying to Chloe, 4, #45 of 1936 🔗

It is hard to understand how a Government can be so blind to public opinion. I can, at a very heavy push, see why business travellers might be exempt – business screwed after lockdown, urgent talks to try and save said business.

But, The Guardian has: “Recently signed elite sportspeople, performing arts professionals, TV production staff and journalists will also not have to abide by quarantine restrictions if arriving from a country outside of England’s travel corridor from 4am on Saturday.”

Perhaps they want to lose the next election.

285888 ▶▶▶ Banjones, replying to Sim18, #46 of 1936 🔗

”The next election”? What would that be, then?

284118 Scotty87, replying to Scotty87, 137, #47 of 1936 🔗

From the Telegraph, “Coronavirus vaccine won’t free you from self-isolation, says Government.” Well this just keeps getting better! So here’s the state of play as I see it:

If you feel perfectly healthy:
-Assume you’re still infectious
-Wear a mask
-Keep your distance
-Isolate when you’re told to
-Follow the rules

If you’ve had a negative Covid test:
-Assume you’re still infectious
-Wear a mask
-Keep your distance
-Isolate when you’re told to
-Follow the rules

If you take a Covid vaccine:
-Assume you’re still infectious
-Wear a mask
-Keep your distance
-Isolate when you’re told to
-Follow the rules

Seen enough yet?

284124 ▶▶ clodaghlaw, replying to Scotty87, 14, #48 of 1936 🔗

What is the point of having this poorly tested vaccine? Also not being given to under 16s and pregnant women. I wonder why? Perhaps not tested enough?

284138 ▶▶▶ stefarm, replying to clodaghlaw, 12, #49 of 1936 🔗

And any women who are planning to have a baby! And women who are breastfeeding.

284148 ▶▶▶▶ Janice21, replying to stefarm, 11, #50 of 1936 🔗

Getting all the breastfeeding mothers to oppose the vaccine will be a good thing!

284162 ▶▶▶▶▶ vargas99, replying to Janice21, 16, #51 of 1936 🔗

In fact any woman who is planning to have or even likely to have a baby

284456 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ mikewaite, replying to vargas99, 6, #52 of 1936 🔗

Not to forget any man expecting to have intimate relations with a woman intending to have children . Remember from the AIDS history that viruses (and that presumably includes the mRNA in the injection) can pass between sexual partners very easily, indeed inevitably.
So that reduces the no of vaccinations required quite considerably. I think that the 400000 samples that are the only number currently available should be quite adequate and the rest of the order can be cancelled, saving the taxpayer a mass of money.

284483 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ kenadams, replying to mikewaite, 9, #53 of 1936 🔗

oooo…this could be very useful for me and my wife. We’ve got 2 kids and we’re 36 and 37, so certainly can be classed as might want another child, and getting on a bit so can’t take any risks with jeopardising that.

284940 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Rowan, replying to mikewaite, #54 of 1936 🔗

I suspect we’ve all ready paid up front.

284503 ▶▶▶▶ annie, replying to stefarm, 20, #55 of 1936 🔗

I’m making my plans now.
I’m 66, so it may take me some time to conceive.

284734 ▶▶▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to annie, 4, #56 of 1936 🔗

That’s nobbut a spring chicken!

285600 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ annie, replying to Cheezilla, #57 of 1936 🔗

Cluck!

284795 ▶▶▶▶▶ Nsklent, replying to annie, 5, #58 of 1936 🔗

I’m 55, but might try looking into IVF, just a check up, initial stage so I have some medical proof, so I can claim trying to conceive.

285109 ▶▶▶▶▶ Bella Donna, replying to annie, #59 of 1936 🔗

👍 👍

284791 ▶▶▶▶ Nsklent, replying to stefarm, #60 of 1936 🔗

And immuno suppressed and those taking medications, that rules out most of the elderly, so the vulnerable cantvtake the vaccine, so that means the rest of us have to, to protect them. So back to square one.

284149 ▶▶▶ Will, replying to clodaghlaw, 16, #61 of 1936 🔗

I am hopeful that either the FDA, the EMA or, hopefully both, will refuse to grant a license for women under 60. Turn that demographic sceptical and the house of cards will come crashing down.

284186 ▶▶▶▶ penelope pitstop, replying to Will, 5, #62 of 1936 🔗

absolutely – we should watch carefully the other EU and US institutions approval of the vaxx as they will probably be more diligent, well you’d like to think so anyway.

284306 ▶▶▶▶▶ Adam, replying to penelope pitstop, 3, #63 of 1936 🔗

I wouldn’t touch any drugs that come from America you would have to be on drugs to go there

284942 ▶▶▶▶▶ Rowan, replying to penelope pitstop, #64 of 1936 🔗

They couldn’t be less diligent.

284489 ▶▶▶▶ kenadams, replying to Will, 5, #65 of 1936 🔗

Even if they just refuse to grant a license for any reason it would surely destroy the government and the idea that we have a valid and safe licensing regime ourselves?

284927 ▶▶▶ Rowan, replying to clodaghlaw, 4, #66 of 1936 🔗

The vaccine has probably been tested for years and we can be quite sure that it will do what it is intended to do.

285011 ▶▶▶▶ Suitejb, replying to Rowan, 1, #67 of 1936 🔗

That’s what I’m afraid of!

285788 ▶▶▶▶▶ Rowan, replying to Suitejb, #68 of 1936 🔗

Quite.

284169 ▶▶ Lms23, replying to Scotty87, 14, #69 of 1936 🔗

Like I said three or more months ago: they’re never going to let us out.

284536 ▶▶▶ annie, replying to Lms23, 15, #70 of 1936 🔗

Let yourself out.

284737 ▶▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to annie, 5, #71 of 1936 🔗

Only the weather keeping me in!

284949 ▶▶▶▶ Rowan, replying to annie, 8, #72 of 1936 🔗

I never taken a blind bit of notice of the lockdowns, other than not going down to the pub. It is well past time to be brave as it’s been clear for some months now that they want us dead.

285874 ▶▶▶▶▶ Banjones, replying to Rowan, 2, #73 of 1936 🔗

That’s why they’ve closed the pubs or made it so that we can’t communicate in them. I think if we could go out to the local then all the other ”rules” would break down.

284172 ▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Scotty87, 12, #74 of 1936 🔗

Just speaking to a chap in his thirties who had Covid in March, caught from coughing Italian kids at the nearby language school.

‘So will you be taking the vaccine?’

” course I will, covid’s not something you want to catch twice.”

So no doubt he will be keeping to the same rules for the foreseeable future.

284195 ▶▶▶ thinkaboutit, replying to karenovirus, 26, #75 of 1936 🔗

He is a moron and deserves what he gets.

284739 ▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to karenovirus, 8, #76 of 1936 🔗

I’ve had flu twice in my almost 70 decades and, while it was no picnic, I always decline my annual flu jab offer.

284876 ▶▶▶▶ sam, replying to Cheezilla, 4, #77 of 1936 🔗

me too no flu vaccine, I’ve only ever had the flu once not even sure what it was, didn’t mind at all,i even thought it was so interesting all the symptoms never have had a flu vaccine and never will

285464 ▶▶▶▶ fiery, replying to Cheezilla, 2, #78 of 1936 🔗

I’ve never had the flu vaccine when I worked for the NHS although I faced a lot of pressure during my final year. I will continue to decline it as I do with all the other so called health screening tests.

284561 ▶▶ J4mes, replying to Scotty87, 6, #79 of 1936 🔗

I’ve heard they’re changing the testing equipment to something that no longer tells you if you previously had the phantom virus, and only if you currently have it. No doubt this will allow them to ignore the idea of herd immunity and press on with the suggestion that we will need to take the vaccine regularly.

284724 ▶▶ Ben, replying to Scotty87, 8, #80 of 1936 🔗

This is WW3

285029 ▶▶▶ Rowan, replying to Ben, 6, #81 of 1936 🔗

It’s been going for nearly a year now, government against the people and most of them don’t have a clue.

285117 ▶▶▶ Bella Donna, replying to Ben, 3, #82 of 1936 🔗

Only this time our government is the Enemy!

285193 ▶▶ Llamasaurus Rex, replying to Scotty87, 1, #83 of 1936 🔗

The Great Re-shit in full force. thanks to whatsherface on YouTube for the naming.

284119 IanE, replying to IanE, 3, #84 of 1936 🔗

Gosh – is everyone still in bed due to the snow?

284126 ▶▶ clodaghlaw, replying to IanE, 1, #85 of 1936 🔗

No up here is France – an hour ahead – but it is snowing!

284188 ▶▶▶ penelope pitstop, replying to clodaghlaw, 3, #86 of 1936 🔗

Shame midget micron has closed the ski resorts!! I hear the resort workers are protesting!!

284397 ▶▶▶▶ JanMasarykMunich, replying to penelope pitstop, 6, #87 of 1936 🔗

Here in Switzerland it looks like we are going to try to keep the resorts open, despite massive behind-the-scenes pressure from Merkel, Macron, EU, etc.
But getting here might be tricky.
Also, it seems Slovakia, Poland (Tatras), CR (pretty limited skiing) and Slovenia are trying to stay open. Again, Merkel and EU will exert enormous pressure, but the Poles may not care, as they are being bullied anyway, which may allow other former East-bloc countries also to successfully resist.
Austria seems to be open pretty much only for domestic skiers.

284127 ▶▶ Judy Watson, replying to IanE, 7, #88 of 1936 🔗

Ha, ha, ha, no snow here just a sunny day with a few clouds. Temperature 29.8C in the shade at 4pm. Sorry to gloat

284155 ▶▶▶ Fingerache Philip., replying to Judy Watson, 2, #89 of 1936 🔗

No,Judy, I would rather have a temperature of 5° and cold winds than 29.5°.
No offense intended.

284749 ▶▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Fingerache Philip., 1, #90 of 1936 🔗

I’d take that but without the cold winds!

284176 ▶▶ Lms23, replying to IanE, 1, #91 of 1936 🔗

No snow here in Norfolk yet.
It’s snowing over in Cambridgeshire, according to my sister.

284198 ▶▶▶ kh1485, replying to Lms23, 3, #92 of 1936 🔗

Snow here in The People’s Republic of Saffron Walden. How very dare it, as I said on the last page, hasn’t the weather read the script.

284818 ▶▶▶ Nsklent, replying to Lms23, #93 of 1936 🔗

Snowed quite hard for 2 hours here in east Suffolk, but ground sopping wet from the heavy rain, so no settle. Small river at the end of the garden has burst its banks so a rather fast flowing wide ‘river’ now running through our field.

284192 ▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to IanE, 1, #94 of 1936 🔗

What snow?

284210 ▶▶ JVS, replying to IanE, #95 of 1936 🔗

Snow?? We have rain in Bournemouth as yesterday’s deluge obviously wasn’t enough 😉

284353 ▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to IanE, 1, #96 of 1936 🔗

No snow in London but we had the deluge yesterday and today its freezing.

284356 ▶▶ mjr, replying to IanE, #97 of 1936 🔗

finally – a use for the face nappies. a bit of insulation to stop getting chapped lips from the cold

284538 ▶▶▶ annie, replying to mjr, 7, #98 of 1936 🔗

I’ll risk the chapped lips and remain human.

284609 ▶▶▶▶ MiriamW-sometimes-AlanG, replying to annie, 3, #99 of 1936 🔗

Us too. Guess what the weather’s like in the High Peak! 🙂 MW

284751 ▶▶▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to MiriamW-sometimes-AlanG, #100 of 1936 🔗

Is thi snow on them theer ‘ills?

285387 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ MiriamW-sometimes-AlanG, replying to Cheezilla, #101 of 1936 🔗

Aye! MW

284713 ▶▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to annie, 1, #102 of 1936 🔗

I’m getting my usual chapped lips and dry skin on schedule – my badge of humanity!

284742 ▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to IanE, #103 of 1936 🔗

That’s my excuse – but I don’t get up till it’s full daylight which, by some people’s standards, is well into the day at this time of year.

284120 clodaghlaw, replying to clodaghlaw, 3, #104 of 1936 🔗

Hi Toby – have you seen this – it has been removed from YouTube

https://www.bitchute.com/video/K-4mvNiEzTQ/

284154 ▶▶ stefarm, replying to clodaghlaw, 6, #105 of 1936 🔗

Are we still putting it down to incompetence??, all planned from before day 1. Social credits!

284201 ▶▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to stefarm, -3, #106 of 1936 🔗

In his view. Please keep a grip, the actual truth as it stands is bad enough. Don’t sex it up.

285424 ▶▶▶▶ Rowan, replying to Nick Rose, #107 of 1936 🔗

Sorry Nick it looks like 77th Brigade has got to you. The video is only telling it like it already is and will be. Now if you want proper “conspiracy theories” about the vaccines being deliberately harmful, well look no further.

284185 ▶▶ Lms23, replying to clodaghlaw, #108 of 1936 🔗

I can’t get Bit Chute videos to play. What does it say?

284415 ▶▶▶ JanMasarykMunich, replying to Lms23, #109 of 1936 🔗

Video seems to have been removed. But report is still there.
Nothing really new in report.
https://summit.news/2020/12/01/report-uk-deploys-military-infowar-unit-against-covid-vaccine-skeptics/

284510 ▶▶▶▶ Victoria, replying to JanMasarykMunich, 2, #110 of 1936 🔗

not sceptics just pro choice

285433 ▶▶▶▶ Rowan, replying to JanMasarykMunich, #111 of 1936 🔗

The video is still there, is your browser messing yo u about? Try Duck Duck Go or something else other than Google.

284516 ▶▶▶ Crystal Decanter, replying to Lms23, #112 of 1936 🔗

Bitchute videos can be a bit twitchy
Seems to work better on certain browsers

284199 ▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to clodaghlaw, -1, #113 of 1936 🔗

No sound, but it looks like somebody’s interpretation of something. So not especially bothered thanks.

284236 ▶▶▶ calchas, replying to Nick Rose, 1, #114 of 1936 🔗

It is well worth watching Nick. He talks about the vaccination cards slated for introduction in Wales, and the unit from GCHQ now embedded in Downing Street.

I had no problem with the sound.

284411 ▶▶ JanMasarykMunich, replying to clodaghlaw, 2, #115 of 1936 🔗

So, 77th and GCHQ are going to start monitoring this site. Oh, sorry, they already are…

284754 ▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to JanMasarykMunich, 1, #116 of 1936 🔗

Inevitable!

285030 ▶▶▶ richard riewer, replying to JanMasarykMunich, #117 of 1936 🔗

Not just monitoring, probably embedded.

284121 Judy Watson, replying to Judy Watson, 37, #118 of 1936 🔗

Read in the DM today about the woman being turned away from Makro cos she couldn’t ‘anti social’ distance from her three month old who was strapped to her. Utterly deplorable and the nutter who insisted she should leave deserves to be sacked.

284206 ▶▶ thinkaboutit, replying to Judy Watson, 11, #119 of 1936 🔗

Surely they are in the same household so social distancing is irrelevant. What an idiot, it’s time to sue these dolts.

284676 ▶▶▶ Judy Watson, replying to thinkaboutit, 1, #120 of 1936 🔗

Too true, common sense out of the window on this

284218 ▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Judy Watson, 3, #121 of 1936 🔗

Clearly not been briefed properly. Makro should know better

284760 ▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to karenovirus, #122 of 1936 🔗

They should employ people with a working brain too.

285079 ▶▶▶▶ Rowan, replying to Cheezilla, 1, #123 of 1936 🔗

That’s setting the bar rather too high.

284241 ▶▶ calchas, replying to Judy Watson, #124 of 1936 🔗

Hello Judy,

what regulations are in force in Thailand?

What’s your sense of how things are going there?

What is the mood of people?

Many thanks in advance.

284712 ▶▶▶ Judy Watson, replying to calchas, 1, #125 of 1936 🔗

Ok some hysteria in places re masks etc. Where I live in phuket we don’t wear masks on the street. Go. Into large chain supermarket put it on you get in then pull it down till you get to the checkout
Can try on clothes no mask needed same with shoes.
Bars restaurants no masks antisocial distancing and smoking allowed.
Masks mandatory on public transport no exemptions.

Hand gel available everywhere if you want it.

284578 ▶▶ Richard Pinch, replying to Judy Watson, 3, #126 of 1936 🔗

BBC report that Makro simply have a ban on all children under 16 in their stores, supported by https://www.booker.co.uk/graphics/private/CW_COVID_March_Update/QAs.pdf dated 11 September

Can I bring my children to shop with me?

No. Children under 16 are no longer allowed in the branch

284777 ▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Richard Pinch, #127 of 1936 🔗

We used to shop at Makro Leeds. It’s the sickest building I ever frequented. Took a few trips to realise that inevitably, after about 30 minutes, I would end up sitting cross-legged on the bit of carpet in the shoe dept, waiting for DH to rush round and collect the shopping.

285033 ▶▶ richard riewer, replying to Judy Watson, #128 of 1936 🔗

Thoroughly Modern Stasi.

286065 ▶▶ Platinum, replying to Judy Watson, #129 of 1936 🔗

I used to love going to Makro… they’d check your receipt to make sure you hadn’t pinched anything in the six feet between the checkout and the door…

284133 James Leary #KBF, replying to James Leary #KBF, 71, #130 of 1936 🔗

“And it came to pass in those days that a decree went out from Caesar Boris that all the world should be registered for Track & Trace. This census first took place while Hancock was governing the NHS. So all went to be registered, everyone to his own city. Joseph also went up from Guildford, out of the city of Nottingham, into the East Midlands, to the city of David, which is called Bethlehem, amongst other things, because he was of the house and lineage of David, to be registered with Mary, his betrothed wife, who was with child. So it was, that while they were there, the days were completed for her to be delivered. However, the NHS was still shut down after the plagues of their forefathers, generations before their time. So they went to an innkeeper who told them he was in Tier 3 and had no rooms and they must make their own bubble but not inside. And they must wear masks. And so, on Christmas Day in the year of our Lord, 1, Christ was born, and was wrapped in PPE, and placed in an isolation manger for 14 days lest the plagues of the forefathers had been up Mary, from her time in Birmingham, or Bethlehem as it had become known because of its inhabitants out of the East. And because it was the First Christmas, and Hancock has given a truce for journeys, even though Christ the King’s Cross was closed for works, Mary’s mother had made the journey to see her Grandson by following a star, which turned out to be Galilee Airways last departure before bankruptcy. And they embraced Mary’s mother, which Whitty had forbad, and lo, Granny dropped dead on the spot, smitten by the plague of the forefathers. And thus spake the Pilate Vallance, “I told you so”. And so it came to pass that the whole firmament, from Judaea to John O’Groats was placed in lockdown yea even unto the year of our Lord 2020, when it was promised to be reviewed again. Except in Scotland, which has its own rules.

Here ends the parable of The Great Reset. The Archrishi of Canterbury will now be taking a collection. At gunpoint. Amen.

284262 ▶▶ Two-Six, replying to James Leary #KBF, 2, #131 of 1936 🔗

That’s really good.

284271 ▶▶▶ James Leary #KBF, replying to Two-Six, 2, #132 of 1936 🔗

Saw the book in the image in a charity shop window yesterday, and it started me off. Therapy needed.

284315 ▶▶▶▶ Adam, replying to James Leary #KBF, 6, #133 of 1936 🔗

Johnson the clown cannot remain in office a day longer than necessary a serious liability

285035 ▶▶▶▶▶ Rowan, replying to Adam, 3, #134 of 1936 🔗

A blatant criminal.

284458 ▶▶ Ceriain, replying to James Leary #KBF, 6, #135 of 1936 🔗

Excellent, James; very funny. 🙂

from Judaea to John O’Groats

Sounds like Michael Palin’s next series. I’m going to make that the title for my next album.

285043 ▶▶▶ richard riewer, replying to Ceriain, 1, #136 of 1936 🔗

Eric Idle’s Travel Agent sketch.

284509 ▶▶ Alethea, replying to James Leary #KBF, 6, #137 of 1936 🔗

Excellent!

You forgot to mention the gifts of the magi. Those jewelled pots and caskets were positively overflowing with hand sanitiser, in three novelty scents.

284792 ▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Alethea, 3, #138 of 1936 🔗

They rocked up a few days later. Episode two relates how they executed their cunning plan to get out of Cleckheckmondsedge.

284891 ▶▶▶ James Leary #KBF, replying to Alethea, 1, #139 of 1936 🔗

Mea Culpa

285040 ▶▶▶ richard riewer, replying to Alethea, 1, #140 of 1936 🔗

Boris as the Baby Jesus with Hancock Vallance and Whitty as the Three Wise Men.

284522 ▶▶ Antonedes, replying to James Leary #KBF, 1, #141 of 1936 🔗

Thanks, excellent, we now need a version of the night before Christmas.

284719 ▶▶ Judy Watson, replying to James Leary #KBF, 1, #142 of 1936 🔗

Even as an atheistic this is brilliant

284848 ▶▶▶ davews, replying to Judy Watson, 1, #143 of 1936 🔗

Almost tempted to circulate it to our church members….. I don’t remember much said about Mary’s mother in the Bible. I expect the shepherds and wise men though were forbidden to visit because of the tiers and 3 families rule..

285607 ▶▶▶▶ annie, replying to davews, 1, #144 of 1936 🔗

Mary’s mother was called Anna. Her father was Joachim. Mary was born untainted by original sin (the Immaculate Conception), which of course means that Christ was untainted by it also. It’s all in the New Testament Apocrypha.

285357 ▶▶ David Grimbleby, replying to James Leary #KBF, 2, #145 of 1936 🔗

Bloody brilliant, just read ,cheered me up no end…

284136 arfurmo, replying to arfurmo, 3, #146 of 1936 🔗

Your help please. I complained to the BBC about https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-55143938 where it said “Why has it taken so long?” saying that was biased.
The response is

“This was with regards to the Netherlands being one of the countries worst affected by Europe’s second wave of Covid-19 yet is one of the last in Europe to introduce such a measure.

Anna explained that neighbouring nations followed World Health Organization advice (the body recommends wearing a mask to help reduce the spread of the virus) but the Netherlands refused to follow suit for several reasons, one being doubts over the effectiveness of masks.

We have discussed the effectiveness of face coverings across our news output, such as here:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-51205344

The latter link just has assertions in it-no evidence.

Can someone please suggest a scientific response?

284168 ▶▶ vargas99, replying to arfurmo, 12, #147 of 1936 🔗

Fuck off?

284801 ▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to vargas99, #148 of 1936 🔗

Is anyone able to Slimy Gove this totally appropriate summation into a twenty-page document?

285359 ▶▶▶▶ David Grimbleby, replying to Cheezilla, #149 of 1936 🔗

How can that slimeball stand there and lie so blatantly..

284180 ▶▶ Julian, replying to arfurmo, 5, #150 of 1936 🔗

Point them to the Danish RCT that concluded that there was no definite evidence for benefits of mask wearing, and the various quotes from UK public health figures that masks were not recommended, before the U-turn.

285807 ▶▶▶ Banjones, replying to Julian, #151 of 1936 🔗
284193 ▶▶ G.Fawkes, replying to arfurmo, 4, #152 of 1936 🔗

Sure. Viral infections don’t happen in waves.

284200 ▶▶ Lms23, replying to arfurmo, 4, #153 of 1936 🔗

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2020/08/28/evidence-masks-not-strong-either-direction-says-deputy-chief/
Evidence for masks ‘not very strong in either direction’, says Deputy Chief Medical Officer

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/health/coronavirus-news-face-masks-increase-risk-infection-doctor-jenny-harries-a9396811.html
Coronavirus: Face masks could increase risk of infection, medical chief warns
‘For the average member of the public walking down a street, it is not a good ideas

284204 ▶▶ wendy, replying to arfurmo, 3, #154 of 1936 🔗

They don’t want to listen to science any more!!

284220 ▶▶ Mabel Cow, replying to arfurmo, 1, #155 of 1936 🔗

You might find something useful here:

284296 ▶▶▶ arfurmo, replying to Mabel Cow, 5, #156 of 1936 🔗

Thanks all _I know it won’t do any good but it must take up someone’s time

284228 ▶▶ Saved To Death, replying to arfurmo, 14, #157 of 1936 🔗

Its the BBC you are wasting your time and energy. The BBC needs to be shut down and its staff held to account for terrorising the population over the last year. I don’t know how we are going to do this but I am pretty sure trying to reason with them is not going to help.

284376 ▶▶▶ Adam, replying to Saved To Death, 4, #158 of 1936 🔗

Can SKY and itv channel 4 also be shut down as well

284547 ▶▶▶ JanMasarykMunich, replying to Saved To Death, 2, #159 of 1936 🔗

I agree with you that is the ideal solution. But, for the meanwhile, I think it is worth arguing with them, if enough people do it. Even though it seems like a Sisyphean task.

I worked for a government media monitoring service in the past, and I cannot believe how bad the MSM has become now. (W orldwide I think, or at least — in varying degrees — in all countries I look at.)
Actually, I think the term ‘corporate media’ is much more apt than MSM, even for media that is government-funded.

284800 ▶▶ Nigel Sherratt, replying to arfurmo, 1, #161 of 1936 🔗

Stop paying the licence fee, 100% guaranteed to improve your quality of life (and QALYs probably).

284137 Janice21, replying to Janice21, 19, #162 of 1936 🔗

Was very sad to hear my normally sceptic colleague say yesterday that he will be having the vaccine if it means he can travel and return to normal. He has went the other way now. Idiot.

My get out clause for the vaccine is I may have a third child in the future and don’t want the vaccine to affect my fertility.

284170 ▶▶ Fiona Walker, replying to Janice21, 6, #163 of 1936 🔗

I say we should encourage as many people (believers) as possible to have it, less left for us and we can see if the potential adverse effects are really a thing. They are our volunteer guinea pigs.

284212 ▶▶▶ Suze Burtenshaw, replying to Fiona Walker, 21, #164 of 1936 🔗

I’ve been thinking that myself. When the vaccine was first mentioned some weeks/months ago, I was urging friends and family to please think twice about having it. I met with usual ‘believers’ responses. Now, I say nothing. If asked what I’m going to do I will say ‘probably not’. I’ve given up on trying to talk to them about it. If they’re mad enough and silly enough not to question something as important as this, bugger ‘em. Sounds harsh, I know but my patience is stretched thin these days. As is my sanity.

284233 ▶▶▶▶ steph, replying to Suze Burtenshaw, 6, #165 of 1936 🔗

I posted something very similar yesterday. In a spin about whether I would want to talk people out of it or just say let them get on with it if they are so desperate. Puts me and mine further down the queue.

284573 ▶▶▶▶▶ JanMasarykMunich, replying to steph, 5, #166 of 1936 🔗

This is difficult. I quite agree: if people are daft enough to take it, it’s their problem.

My worry is that, if the take-up is high, then the Govt may be able to introduce the WHO/Gates ‘vaccine passports’, which must be resisted at all costs. If take-up is low, this idea will not be practical.
So, I will be encouraging people not to take it (at the risk of prosecution?)

284248 ▶▶▶▶ thinkaboutit, replying to Suze Burtenshaw, 5, #167 of 1936 🔗

Me too. Can’t be bothered to argue about vaccination except with my daughter who is precious to me. Let everyone take the jab if it makes them feel safer. My immune system isn’t up to it.
Accidentally downvoted you but then upvoted to compensate.

284258 ▶▶▶▶ PastImperfect, replying to Suze Burtenshaw, 4, #168 of 1936 🔗

Yes, once it is in your blood it is there for good.

284182 ▶▶ jb12, replying to Janice21, 24, #169 of 1936 🔗

I have decided to identify as a pregnant woman for the foreseeable future, and the SNP, on prior form, will have to acknowledge me as such.

284235 ▶▶▶ steph, replying to jb12, 13, #170 of 1936 🔗

I’m 61. Would it be stretching it to say I haven’t completed my family yet?

284243 ▶▶▶▶ bluemoon, replying to steph, 21, #171 of 1936 🔗

I’m over 70 but am self identifying as a 28 year old thinking about starting a family.

284811 ▶▶▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to bluemoon, 1, #172 of 1936 🔗

You’re as old as you feel!

284250 ▶▶▶▶ kh1485, replying to steph, 10, #173 of 1936 🔗

Ha ha. Plus the other two potential reasons: being a Jehovah’s Witness, being vegan.

284480 ▶▶▶▶ Ceriain, replying to steph, 2, #174 of 1936 🔗

Given that we don’t know what this vaccine could turn people into, maybe you get your wish.

A 2020 Midwich Cuckoos if you like. 😉

284466 ▶▶▶ Ceriain, replying to jb12, 4, #175 of 1936 🔗

I have decided to identify as a pregnant woman for the foreseeable future

As is your right with today’s loony laws. We live in strange times.

284727 ▶▶▶▶ Judy Watson, replying to Ceriain, 1, #176 of 1936 🔗

Don’t we ever

285048 ▶▶▶ richard riewer, replying to jb12, #177 of 1936 🔗

Join Christian Science.

284222 ▶▶ Crystal Decanter, replying to Janice21, 3, #178 of 1936 🔗

Become deathly allergic to one of the ingredients.
also I have a feeling plenty fake “I.D” certificates will be flooding E-bay once 4Chan get their hands on them

284324 ▶▶▶ Bobblybob, replying to Crystal Decanter, 1, #179 of 1936 🔗

Polyethelene glycol (PEG). Tell them that gaviscon gives you bad stomach pain or a rash.

284335 ▶▶▶▶ Crystal Decanter, replying to Bobblybob, 4, #180 of 1936 🔗

When the Corona Stasi ask why I am exempt – I have a plethora of fanciful conditions which shut them up immediately
Last week it was PTSD
This week it is Aids
Next week I quite fancy Morgellons disease

284463 ▶▶▶▶▶ David Grimbleby, replying to Crystal Decanter, 1, #181 of 1936 🔗

They should not ask, you are not obliged to give medical or other reasons.But for ‘fun’ bi-polar and extreme mood swings is good.

284543 ▶▶▶▶▶ annie, replying to Crystal Decanter, 2, #182 of 1936 🔗

I keep a horse. Snake oil always gives us both the epizootic sniggers.

284622 ▶▶ J4mes, replying to Janice21, 1, #183 of 1936 🔗

You’ve hit on a theme that skeptics veer away from in case they look like a “conspiracy theorist” (as if that’s worse then being a pot-banging mask-wearing government policy zealot), when talking about the vaccine affecting fertility. Wind the clocks back to Gates talking about population control in the same breath as championing vaccination…

284147 OKUK, replying to OKUK, 4, #184 of 1936 🔗

Soros to Fauci: you will issue the following statement of apology or it will be the sharks for you.

284321 ▶▶ Adam, replying to OKUK, 2, #185 of 1936 🔗

Time for Soros to be given a permanent afternoon nap horrible old Nazi Reminds me of a James Bond villain with a white cat

284150 Basics, replying to Basics, 4, #186 of 1936 🔗

Exclusive: Coronavirus vaccine won’t free you from self-isolation, says Government
The jabs provide Covid-19 immunity but scientists are yet to prove this prevents recipients from carrying and spreading the virus

By
Gordon Rayner,
POLITICAL EDITOR
3 December 2020 • 7:00pm

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2020/12/03/exclusive-vaccine-wont-free-self-isolation-says-government/

284285 ▶▶ Major Panic, replying to Basics, 13, #187 of 1936 🔗

Sorted – if it doesn’t stop the vaccinated spreading the cough then there is certainly no point the healthy taking it

There was also the moral problem of a healthy 20 year old taking a vaccine that is not 100% safe to allow an elderly frail person to possibly live for a few more weeks

Not many elderly would accept that risk in their name!

284332 ▶▶ Bill h, replying to Basics, 2, #188 of 1936 🔗

Good article.

The comments were going gangbusters yesterday evening, then shut down with a clanking of chains. Most of the comments still in place though.

284373 ▶▶ Adam, replying to Basics, #189 of 1936 🔗

The Government can fuck off and keep it’s fat hands off my rights

284586 ▶▶ JanMasarykMunich, replying to Basics, 2, #190 of 1936 🔗

Yes, it seems that the vaccine does not do anything really useful.
In light of this, it is quite extraordinary to behold how it is being celebrated by UK govt and media.
Backlash soon?

285055 ▶▶▶ richard riewer, replying to JanMasarykMunich, 1, #191 of 1936 🔗

Worse, the money has already been allocated.

285277 ▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to JanMasarykMunich, 1, #192 of 1936 🔗

it is quite extraordinary to behold how it is being celebrated propagandised by UK govt and media.

285470 ▶▶ Ben, replying to Basics, #193 of 1936 🔗

‘Vaccines Will Set You Free’

They better change that sign over the gate

284151 Steve Martindale, replying to Steve Martindale, 18, #194 of 1936 🔗

There is an item in today’s newsletter about the review of the English face-mask regs in January 2021, if that review passes them to continue we will have compulsory face-masks until July 2021. As well as writing to MPs as suggested, I wonder if it is worth starting a petition on the Government Petition site, calling for these regs to be rescinded? You need the promoter & 5 supporters willing to put down their name and email address. Do we have 6 people on this site, who live in England and would be willing to start up such a petition?

284183 ▶▶ Julian, replying to Steve Martindale, 2, #195 of 1936 🔗

I’m sure if you start one there will be many on this site who would support it

284205 ▶▶▶ Steve Martindale, replying to Julian, 1, #196 of 1936 🔗

To start a petition I would need 5 people to sponsor it, which I do not have.
They would need to be willing for their names and email addresses to be recorded on the Government petitions web-site.

284231 ▶▶▶▶ Julian, replying to Steve Martindale, 1, #197 of 1936 🔗

I think there is a way to DM people via the forum, if you’re logged in. Happy to send you my details if you manage to do it.

I may be wrong but I have seen others post here asking for sponsors, so I thought it was possible to create a petition and publish the link to get sponsors.

284861 ▶▶▶▶▶ Steve Martindale, replying to Julian, #198 of 1936 🔗

I have put my draft wording for a petition in a post under the Politics section of the forums bit of this web-site, I have also put my email so that if this goes ahead you can let me have your details by email. Steve.

284266 ▶▶▶▶ wendy, replying to Steve Martindale, 1, #199 of 1936 🔗

Yes I am willing to put my name and email. Not sure how to get a direct message to you though without putting the details on here?

284867 ▶▶▶▶▶ Steve Martindale, replying to wendy, #200 of 1936 🔗

Hello, I have put my draft wording for this on the forum section of this site in the Politics category, I have also put my email so that if this goes ahead you can email me with your details as a sponsor.

285060 ▶▶▶▶ richard riewer, replying to Steve Martindale, #201 of 1936 🔗

Dr Vernon Coleman has a lot of followers. Richie Allen, James Delingpole… Spread your request to as many sites as possible.

285286 ▶▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Steve Martindale, #202 of 1936 🔗

If you sign a petition, they take your details anyway. I’ve signed so many this year that mine are as good as on autofill.
The first five to sign are effectively your sponsors.

284502 ▶▶ Ceriain, replying to Steve Martindale, 6, #203 of 1936 🔗

we will have compulsory face-masks until July 2021

“They” , not We .

Bojo, Handjob and JVT can say we as much as they want. I do not consider myself to be one of them.

284152 Fiona Walker, replying to Fiona Walker, 19, #204 of 1936 🔗

I have ventured into North Yorkshire (T2) from my town (T3) twice since the Tiers for Fears were announced. I walked the very pleasant ten miles into Knaresborough for market day, visited a cafe and had a jolly chat on the bus back with two elderly ladies also from my town who were wielding their “freedom passes” (good for them). Then last night, two miles over the border by bus for a meal in a lovely pub in a T2 village. The bus drivers don’t ask questions. So the moral seems to be, avoid the NY Plod by walking or using the bus.

284153 Elenesse, replying to Elenesse, 29, #206 of 1936 🔗

I despair sometimes, I really do. Looking at Facebook this morning, all these people applauding the fact that “anti vaxxers” are being censored left right and centre. It doesn’t seem to compute with them that once they start censoring one group of people, it’s only a matter of time before they come for them as well. Censorship and cancel culture is a cancer and one of the main reasons we’re in this mess. We need open transparent debate on these issues and when they shut down opposing views, all that says to me is that the establishment are scared of what these people have to say.

After all, if there’s no credence to these ‘theories’, surely it should be easy to debunk them?

284165 ▶▶ Lockdown_Lunacy, replying to Elenesse, 15, #207 of 1936 🔗

It’s a big problem. Extreme polarisation of views and cancel culture have made open transparent debate almost impossible. A lot of people are thinking of ways to ‘debunk’ an argument before actually listening to it these days, as they have chosen a ‘side’.

Nothing good can come of it and those who support it will be in for a rude awakening when at some point they too are cancelled or vilified.

284337 ▶▶▶ Elenesse, replying to Lockdown_Lunacy, 4, #208 of 1936 🔗

That’s exactly the problem with one friend in particular on Facebook. She’s always commenting on posts with various controversial subject matters, and she nearly always quotes BBC articles to “debunk” whatever opinions she disagrees with. She’s a lovely person otherwise but I find it best not to try and argue with people like that, it’s a waste of energy.

284962 ▶▶▶▶ Borisbullshit, replying to Elenesse, 1, #209 of 1936 🔗

She does not sound very lovely to me…..I wonder how lovely those who committed suicide due to lockdown would have thought she was.

284245 ▶▶ Crystal Decanter, replying to Elenesse, 4, #210 of 1936 🔗

You need to get on Alt tech and only use legacy media sparingly (to laugh at them mainly)
Bitchute
Minds
Gab
Parler

All fantastic resources
Duckduckgo
Yandex
SearX

Avoid Google and it’s subsidiaries at all costs

284372 ▶▶▶ stevie, replying to Crystal Decanter, 1, #211 of 1936 🔗

I am using Brave browser and Qwant search engine at the moment.

284717 ▶▶ Mutineer, replying to Elenesse, 8, #212 of 1936 🔗

I got an absolute pounding after posting in a local group that I would refuse a vaccine. I was accused of being a ‘5G’er’ and a ‘flat earther’ when I’ve never mentioned either issue at all. It’s the avid masketeers that are the nasty, rude and offensive ones. They cannot seem to grasp that, maybe, just maybe, THEY are the conspiracy theorists. I’ve been told ‘I hope your cancer kills you’ or that I’m ‘a bot’. When I complained that my friend’s cancer is terminal due entirely to a 5 month delay in surgery I got ‘Do you ever stop moaning’? And WE are the enemy? Some want us refused medical treatment (what medical treatment?) or want us dragged from our homes to be forcibly be given a vaccine that doesn’t stop you getting flu or protect you in any way. Glorified Lemsip until they add the surprise ingredients.

284799 ▶▶▶ richmond, replying to Mutineer, 1, #213 of 1936 🔗

“Do you ever stop moaning?” is an appalling reply.

284836 ▶▶▶▶ Mutineer, replying to richmond, 1, #214 of 1936 🔗

Even worse was the fact that the woman who said it works for the NHS!

285098 ▶▶▶ Basileus, replying to Mutineer, 1, #215 of 1936 🔗

They have no cogent arguments then?

284758 ▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to Elenesse, 5, #216 of 1936 🔗

I think many people have made up their minds and are afraid of being challenged.Hence why its easy to retreat to using soundbites and smearing other people. I always come across this whenever I try to debate and reason with people – the slogans and soundbites always come out but nothing to do with common sense and reason.

285065 ▶▶ richard riewer, replying to Elenesse, 1, #217 of 1936 🔗

Some of those people applauding are trolls/Change Agents. Maybe even paid to do it.

285131 ▶▶▶ Rowan, replying to richard riewer, #218 of 1936 🔗

That sounds like the Army’s 77th Brigade. That’s what the Army does these days and of course we are their enemy.

285379 ▶▶ David Grimbleby, replying to Elenesse, #219 of 1936 🔗

Censoring and attacking any challenge to the pro vax, is surely counter productive? what have they got to hide ?

284156 PastImperfect, replying to PastImperfect, 7, #220 of 1936 🔗

NO
POLITCAL
VACCINATIONS

284224 ▶▶ IanE, replying to PastImperfect, 7, #221 of 1936 🔗

Well, I don’t mind if they vaccinate all politicians: a cull is desperately needed!

284329 ▶▶▶ Adam, replying to IanE, 1, #222 of 1936 🔗

Especially as Hancock has offered to take the vaccine on live air

284638 ▶▶▶▶ MiriamW-sometimes-AlanG, replying to Adam, 4, #223 of 1936 🔗

Do you really think any grandstanding politician will be given the actual vaccine? MW

284875 ▶▶▶▶ Ceriain, replying to Adam, 3, #224 of 1936 🔗

Only a fool will believe this crap!

What difference does it make if he does take anything, real or not? It doesn’t actually prove anything.

People will see him, or Piers, or whover take something; not drop dead in 10 minutes and think, “That’s good enough for me!”, and head off to the extermination camps.

They don’t realise that the ‘real’ problem could be months, or years, down the line.

Propaganda! None of these TV volunteers will take anything.

285073 ▶▶▶▶ richard riewer, replying to Adam, #225 of 1936 🔗

Eric Idle as TV Host.

284158 clem, replying to clem, 20, #226 of 1936 🔗

It does feel like our approach to PCR testing would be if someone tested the notes in my wallet and found trace amounts of cocaine. I then get arrested for possession of drugs and locked away for ten days.

It seems we’re just going around testing the notes in peoples wallets and because we’re finding these trace amounts of cocaine, deciding that there’s a massive drug problem and everyone needs locking up.

Whereas if we also completed a hair or blood test (the equivalent of looking for symptoms in the people being tested) which would come back negative in the majority of these positive cocaine-on-note cases, we’d clearly see there isn’t a cocaine usage epidemic and we’re just being stupid for assuming so because of trace amounts on a bank note.

285292 ▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to clem, #227 of 1936 🔗

Excellent analogy.

284159 FrankiiB, replying to FrankiiB, 10, #228 of 1936 🔗

Police State

https://northyorkshire.police.uk/news/statement-from-supt-mike-walker-on-travel-between-tiers/
North Yorkshire’s Chief Constable Mike Walker fiddles with words. He talks about restrictions and travel, but the travel itself for a day journey is ADVISORY – it is the group activities etc which are in law. See the legislation and even the lockdown fanatic BBC links below. He should be sacked for the way he is trying to control the public by distorting the law, no doubt due to his own opinions.

https://www.legislation.gov.uk/uksi/2020/1374/contents/made
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/explainers-52530518

I am not planning to go to North Yorkshire but if I was and was stopped, I would ask the PC to explain to me the legislation – not any other guidance document – but the legalisation they are acting under.

284336 ▶▶ Adam, replying to FrankiiB, 2, #229 of 1936 🔗

Most police are unsure of these cretinous rules themselves here in Brentwood Essex they are clueless

284968 ▶▶ Borisbullshit, replying to FrankiiB, #230 of 1936 🔗

I have twice crossed the T3 to T2 border to go for lunch…..stuff the police.

285071 ▶▶ skybluesam, replying to FrankiiB, #231 of 1936 🔗

That’s extraordinary. He even mentions that it is “advice” then goes on to confirm his police will be actively enforcing this “advice”, then ends with the classic summary of what we are being “asked” to do

284161 TheBigman, replying to TheBigman, 21, #232 of 1936 🔗

Didn’t you all expect this?

When someone is brow beaten for such a long time they will jump at any option the believe to get them out of this. In this case namely a vaccine.

WAKE UP

The vaccine won’t change anything at all. This is all the beginning, nothing short of people taking back their freedom without any vaccines, masks, social distancing et al – ANYTHING ELSE IS KOWTOWING.

Let us talk of hypocrisy/stupidity.

“infections are happening in the home” – solution, lock everyone up in the home.

“Only 10% have had it and may be immune” – well how can that be if everyone was locked up but still able to go to shops etc? Also apparently herd immunity only exists if a version of covid (not yet isolated) is mixed with formaldehyde and thimerosal etc and injected straight into a vein rather than going through the bodies many stages of immunity. Yet you think this will work?

The vaccine is the virus, all this will do is help the virus mutate and make those who have had the vaccine LESS immune.

To each their own is my belief but much like the flu vaccine this will only harm many people.

284216 ▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to TheBigman, 12, #233 of 1936 🔗

To look on the bright side, the restrictions are so restrictive – not even attempted in Soviet Russia or Nazi Germany to this level – that kickback will come. And that kickback will be hard.

284265 ▶▶▶ Ovis, replying to Nick Rose, 3, #234 of 1936 🔗

How? The restrictions are designed to prevent kickback.

284281 ▶▶▶▶ calchas, replying to Ovis, 6, #235 of 1936 🔗

The problem for the planners is that the restrictions that are designed to prevent kickback, ultimately cause kickback,

284347 ▶▶▶▶▶ Adam, replying to calchas, 3, #236 of 1936 🔗

We need a written constitution and hopefully become a federal republic where everyone is equal not born in a antiquated class system and monarchy nonsense which has no place in the 21st century

284897 ▶▶▶▶▶ Waldorf, replying to calchas, #237 of 1936 🔗

It is a pressure cooker. Pressure will have to be released, sooner or later, or risk the lid blowing off. My feeling is eventually they are going to have to do that.

285297 ▶▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Ovis, #238 of 1936 🔗

Newton’s Law.

284275 ▶▶▶ PastImperfect, replying to Nick Rose, 5, #239 of 1936 🔗

Someone posted this link of Dolores Cahill’s speech yesterday

PROF. DOLORES CAHILL IN DUBLIN SPEAKING TRUTH 28TH NOVEMBER (bitchute.com)

I hope no one lets her down.

284338 ▶▶▶ Adam, replying to Nick Rose, 2, #240 of 1936 🔗

I fear civil unrest Johnson and Hancock will only push too far before getting a well deserved beating both

284467 ▶▶▶ kenadams, replying to Nick Rose, 6, #241 of 1936 🔗

The one thing keeping me going at the moment is I’m sure that the majority of people think we’ll go back to old normal now we have a vaccine. Surely, surely, surely there will be kick back when that doesn’t happen?

284974 ▶▶▶▶ Edward, replying to kenadams, #242 of 1936 🔗

I think there will be a kickback. In fact my anecdotal evidence from a shopping trip today is that there is now more “under-nose” mask wearing. People may be thinking, now there is this miraculous “vack-seen” which will save all our lives, or at least 90% of them, we can be a bit less strict with the miraculous masks. If they’re later told “No, you’ve got to keep wearing the masks for ever”, they won’t be very pleased to say the least. I wonder what the reaction will be to the Premier League demanding masks at all times when a limited number of supporters are in the stadiums? I’ve seen a picture of fans cheering at Arsenal’s Europa League match last night, and some of them have pulled their masks down.

285386 ▶▶▶ David Grimbleby, replying to Nick Rose, #243 of 1936 🔗

That poor fucker drinking coffee in a park ! bloody terrorist .. result mayhem….welcome to Albion 2020

284171 steve_w, replying to steve_w, 11, #245 of 1936 🔗

first jabs happening on Tuesday 8th December

full immunity 28 days later on 5th Jan

any effect won’t be seen until 10th Jan from this tiny cohort

lets face it, by the time they have spent Dec,Jan, Feb immunising people, we would expect to see the results just as the virus is suppressed by the summer.

285106 ▶▶ Waldorf, replying to steve_w, #246 of 1936 🔗

In Greece, the government imposed a strict lockdown from late March to early May, Greece had few deaths, the government duly took credit. However flu season was ending. As autumn descended they have had another lockdown, the death toll is much higher and the renewed lockdown seems to have little effect, so it has been lengthened to at least December 14. The rise in cases and also deaths coincided closely with weather being cold enough not to wear a T-shirt outdoors.

285300 ▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to steve_w, #247 of 1936 🔗

I’m sure they’re well aware of that!

284174 Julian, replying to Julian, 4, #248 of 1936 🔗

And in conclusion

If there is one key lesson from the pandemic thus far, it is the need for a well-resourced public health agency focused on biosecurity that is well prepared and able to scale up its response to pandemic threats. It is vital that this public health agency is independent and able to provide credible and trusted scientific and technical expertise and advice to both the Government and the public without fear or favour.

Worth reading in full. Apart from the plea for more mask-wearing (?), it is a sane analysis.”

This last point sounds sane but I have profound doubts that it is in fact a good idea in practice, given the demonstration given by government and technocrats of the willingness to abuse power, and the propensity of the public to be frightened into compliance.

The word “biosecurity” fills me with dread I am afraid. I would rather have a fairly lacklustre state of preparedness than the mad overreaction that we have had.

The key lesson so far is that we need to accept that new viruses may emerge about which not much can be done, and that any response needs to be proportionate to the impact of the “pandemic”.

285525 ▶▶ richard riewer, replying to Julian, #249 of 1936 🔗

If there is one key lesson from the pandemic thus far is the fact that it was just a bumbling attempt to accelerate The Great Reset.

284175 Fingerache Philip., replying to Fingerache Philip., 15, #250 of 1936 🔗

Shropshire where I live and neighbouring Worcestershire are in teir 2 but nearby Staffordshire and the West Midlands are in teir 3 and I’m sure other sceptics will agree that the difference is truly amazing.
Here we can go into a coffee shop and eateries but in teir 3 ,the towns, cities and villages are basically “ghost towns”.
If this madness doesn’t end soon, it will be a “ghost world”

284283 ▶▶ PastImperfect, replying to Fingerache Philip., 9, #251 of 1936 🔗

Ghost world is their final solution.

284971 ▶▶ Borisbullshit, replying to Fingerache Philip., #252 of 1936 🔗

Thats right I have a house in Shropshire and another in Staffordshire. As I drive from one to the other the difference is bizarre…staffs is dead at the moment so guess where i spend most of my time lol.

284177 steve_w, 3, #253 of 1936 🔗

This guy is doing great work realtime monitoring the rates of areas vs the Tiers they are in – gets retweeted by Carl Heneghan

https://twitter.com/RP131/status/1334539240995254272

284178 alw, replying to alw, 3, #254 of 1936 🔗

From Mike Yeadon.

Matt Hancock Would Take the COVID Vaccine With Piers Morgan | Good Morni… https://youtu.be/mdvpJrGzcIU via @YouTubeSee 8min on. Mr Hancock, asked by he’d vaccinate given he’s had Covid19 said: “Because we don’t yet know the impact of having had Covid19 on whether you’re immune……and don’t transmit it again”.This really is big news to immunologists. (Source: https://threader.app/thread/1334446393788936193 )

284504 ▶▶ Trixie, replying to alw, 1, #255 of 1936 🔗

This is what’s been puzzling me. If you’ve had Covid, you don’t need the vaccine. The people in charge have gone down the wrong rabbit hole, completely and utterly.

284833 ▶▶ Ben, replying to alw, #256 of 1936 🔗

They will get saline. Unless there’s a switching of the vial at the last minute

285309 ▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Ben, #257 of 1936 🔗

Strychnine would be an appropriate substitute.

284181 Basics, replying to Basics, 7, #258 of 1936 🔗

Richie Allen received 3 confidential Pfizer COVID vaccine docs from an anonymous NHS worker

NHS staff set to administer the covid vaccines to other NHS staff are told there is no available data if the vaccine causes infertility in their prevaccination literature. The information sheets that will be handed to the vaccine recipient do not mention this fact. They omit it. Richie Allen broke this important detail last night at the very start of his Radio show – link below.

The information sheet documents now exist as pdf at gov.uk etc. The only link I have is in this tweet below.

Jennie Espelho (@1Mirror1978) Tweeted: @RichieAllenShow @Piers_Corbyn Richie, I’ve read this document now so have a much better understanding of the question you asked. I am shocked by these admissions in this document. Martin is absolutely right in his concerns and if his superiors can’t see it…… 😳

https://t.co/wJDauVtj2I https://twitter.com/1Mirror1978/status/1334610551222267907?s=20

This links to the uk gov infomation for health care workers as spoken about on allen show.

The full show is exceptional – Jenny Lowes highly experienced NHS worker in the second hour is a brilliant listen with some great thoughts and advice based in the real world.

https://www.podomatic.com/podcasts/richieallen/episodes/2020-12-03T11_20_47-08_00

First ten mins important. First guest Corbyn good also, it is a fascinating piece of radio.

285090 ▶▶ richard riewer, replying to Basics, #259 of 1936 🔗

Yep. Lots of important guests. Weekly. For years and years.

284184 FrankiiB, replying to FrankiiB, 55, #260 of 1936 🔗

Personal Story

I live with my brother, who has property overseas and spends the winter there. On returning to UK in March, just as the virus panic kicked off, he found that the local GPs barricaded themselves and did not respond to his many requests to review and renew his diabetes medicines. So they didn’t.

In October he got Coronavirus and he’s OK now but he was more sick than he might have been, undoubtedly, because of the lack of diabetes medication. Meanwhile, note that I live in the same house, provided his food, care etc during his illness, did not wear any mask and was never ill. I have had tests and antibody tests but nothing. Negative. This massively infectious disease in front of my face for 2 weeks at home – and nothing. In general health, I am very fit and healthy and take multivitamins including vitamin D. I have no other illness or medications. However, lockdowns have increased stress and restricted physical activities at times.

The moral of the story is looking after personal health and providing normal health services will do far more to promote the health of people than any lockdown.

284825 ▶▶ Ben, replying to FrankiiB, 7, #261 of 1936 🔗

Anything that keeps us healthy has been banned by the Government. This includes human interaction which is vital for physical and emotional wellbeing

285328 ▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to FrankiiB, 4, #262 of 1936 🔗

Is your brother getting his diabetes meds now?
Can I suggest you have a look at dietdoctor.com for ways to reduce his reliance on the meds. Helped my DH to come off all the diabetic meds.

285624 ▶▶ annie, replying to FrankiiB, #263 of 1936 🔗

Dare I ask your age?

285661 ▶▶▶ FrankiiB, replying to annie, #264 of 1936 🔗

My age is 50

285664 ▶▶▶▶ annie, replying to FrankiiB, 1, #265 of 1936 🔗

Thanks for replying.You are on the cusp, you know. I suppose you realise that if you’d have been a few months older you’d have been ‘vulnerable’ and would undoubtedly have caught Covvie and sadlidied?

285909 ▶▶ A Heretic, replying to FrankiiB, #266 of 1936 🔗

My wife had “something nasty that had all the symptoms of the ‘rona” in December last year. I didn’t get it.
As you mention vitamin D… the NHS now have ads on social media informing us that it’s vital we should take it. Why not earlier in the year? Cunts the lot of them.

284189 Cecil B, 6, #267 of 1936 🔗

Ah! day what is it now, and the fraud goes on

284190 calchas, replying to calchas, 8, #268 of 1936 🔗

“On average, 87.7% of available beds were occupied across the country in the week ending November 22nd, compared with 94.9% in the same week 2019.”

The key sentence for me in today’s update.

284202 ▶▶ Julian, replying to calchas, 4, #269 of 1936 🔗

Indeed, though you’d need to look at how many people were turned away/operations/treatments cancelled, in each period, and what those operations and treatments were, average wait times. Healthcare is usually oversubscribed, rationed and operating with a backlog, and I think these things need to be measured alongside occupancy to give an accurate picture of the level of pressure. I’ve tried to find some decent, up to date data for this, and asked contacts to provide it, but found nothing useful especially for recent months. The collection of cancelled operations data was suspended last time I checked.

285389 ▶▶ David Grimbleby, replying to calchas, #270 of 1936 🔗

That slimy lying Gove.

285541 ▶▶ richard riewer, replying to calchas, #271 of 1936 🔗

The government will twist that stat around to make it look like their measures were effective.

284196 Mark, replying to Mark, 30, #272 of 1936 🔗

Remember all those police forces apologising for “getting it wrong” by being overzealous, back when lockdown was introduced?

One of the refresher lessons of 2020. Give our police forces powers, and they will abuse them. It is as simple as that.

Remember that, next time some new law restricting behaviour or speech is proposed. Never dream that it is ok because “the police will be sensible” about applying it. That’s the road to gross injustices.

And remember it when the police are claiming to be short of resources, and making excuses about not tackling real crime.

There is a desperate need for a thorough overhaul of policing, partly to undo its infiltration by woke-ist social manipulators, and generally just to refocus it on actual crimes – thefts, robberies and assaults of all kinds,plus financial crimes and frauds.

284247 ▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Mark, 5, #273 of 1936 🔗

Telegraph

284316 ▶▶▶ Ned of the Hills, replying to karenovirus, 3, #274 of 1936 🔗

The eedjits should have set a minimum price tag as they did in the Auld Sod. A “substantial meal” is exact as asking for a “long piece of string.”

284361 ▶▶▶▶ Adam, replying to Ned of the Hills, 4, #275 of 1936 🔗

The reputation of the police will take years to recover when the real criminals are in Government and parliament

285110 ▶▶▶▶ Rowan, replying to Ned of the Hills, 2, #276 of 1936 🔗

There should be no rules, no lockdowns or business shutdowns. Arguing over what constitutes a substantial meal is simply playing the oppressor’s game. All pubs should open immediately and call the government’s bluff.

285340 ▶▶▶▶▶ Ned of the Hills, replying to Rowan, 1, #277 of 1936 🔗

Agreed. I was just seeking to highlight how incompetent the powers that be are.

285337 ▶▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Ned of the Hills, #278 of 1936 🔗

Gove said a scotch egg is a substantial meal. OK he changed the tune a few times afterwards, but that one got out of the bag and would do for me.

284300 ▶▶ Darryl, replying to Mark, 12, #279 of 1936 🔗

Police are increasingly looking like enforcers for the elitist social engineers and authoritarian academics.

284319 ▶▶ Two-Six, replying to Mark, 3, #280 of 1936 🔗

“generally just to refocus it on actual crimes – thefts, robberies and assaults of all kinds,plus financial crimes and frauds”.
The trouble is these things are really hard to investigate and really expensive to police. It’s much more efficient getting them to hand out FPN’s willy nilly and it brings in a few quid too.
What’s the problem with property crime anyway? Most people are insured. All the police need to do is issue a crime number really. This can be done in a call centre.

284753 ▶▶▶ Judy Watson, replying to Two-Six, 2, #281 of 1936 🔗

Having been in the situation of not having insurance the police were useless. The second time when I was burgled and had insurance they were vey good it begs the question why

284907 ▶▶▶ Mark, replying to Two-Six, 3, #282 of 1936 🔗

What’s the problem with property crime anyway? Most people are insured. All the police need to do is issue a crime number really. This can be done in a call centre .”

I assumed this was sarcasm on your part. But just in case it wasn’t, and for anyone reading who might be tempted by that view for real, here’s why “property crime”(theft, robbery and petty vandalism) is extremely serious, at least when directed at individuals and their personal or business property.

1 Not everyone has insurance, and insurance does not always respond. And the ones who don’t have insurance are often the ones who suffer the most from property crime, who can least afford to repair, replace or do without the items taken or destroyed.

Petty theft, robbery and vandalism constitute one of the worst plagues on the poorest people and probably creates more misery and general suffering than almost any other factor. Thieves and vandals are often most hated in poor areas, and for good reason.

And it’s not just the physical loss of the item – it’s the soul-destroying helplessness of being unable to prevent your property from being removed or destroyed by scum.

2 People are entitled to defend their property, and should do so. This leads to violence, and while the criminal has nobody but himself to blame for any consequences up to and including death that might result, it’s often the innocent who suffers, whether target or bystander. Again, all responsibility morally (and in a well constituted state, legally) falls on the person who chooses to engage in real crime. But such crime must always be treated seriously, as potentially causing violence..

284980 ▶▶ Borisbullshit, replying to Mark, #283 of 1936 🔗

So very true Mark I find myself agreeing with the awful BLM about defunding the police!

285111 ▶▶▶ Mark, replying to Borisbullshit, #284 of 1936 🔗

Then think again. BLM’s goal in defunding the police is to replace it with a political militia – basically to do the kinds of things our police are being misapplied to do now, as their core function.

285378 ▶▶▶▶ Borisbullshit, replying to Mark, #285 of 1936 🔗

I know Mark I was only joking!!!

285668 ▶▶▶▶▶ Mark, replying to Borisbullshit, 1, #286 of 1936 🔗

: – ) Always hard to be sure in writing…..

284197 Cecil B, 6, #287 of 1936 🔗

The pig dictators jolly jape of telling well people that are ill goes on

284208 djaustin, replying to djaustin, -10, #288 of 1936 🔗

The comment on vaccines is based on “The Label”. This is what you are allowed to claim based on the data collected to date. Children were not part of the trial so you can’t claim anything. They won’t get it anyway and by the time they do, other vaccines will be available. The reproductive toxicology tests take time (monkeys have to give birth and their offspring have to grow up), so the comment on reproductive safety is standard. This is where things have been expedited and the caution is warranted because of that. I don’t see corners having been cut, all standard testing has been done, but one study has yet to read out. By the time mass vaccination is ready (supplies) it will be.

From a logical perspective, it is not possible to prove a negative. So one will never prove it is “safe” only continue to collate data that it is “not unsafe”. It might smart a bit, notably on second dose, based on the safety data given in the press release. Medicines are always given on a benefit risk basis. If that changes then recommendations change.

I expect the data to be made public, most likely via the EMA who tend to publish detailed information in Emergency Use Applications.

284213 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to djaustin, 12, #289 of 1936 🔗

I think you’ve joined the wrong queue mate

284268 ▶▶▶ calchas, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 5, #290 of 1936 🔗

Yes – the queue for the rushed experimental vaccine is over there.

284215 ▶▶ Julian, replying to djaustin, 14, #291 of 1936 🔗

I don’t see corners having been cut, all standard testing has been done” Including check the long-term effects, with a time machine?

“I expect the data to be made public, most likely via the EMA who tend to publish detailed information in Emergency Use Applications.” That may be so. But let us not forget this is not an emergency.

284310 ▶▶▶ Achilles, replying to Julian, 6, #292 of 1936 🔗

Quite. Emergency Use Application is corners being cut. That’s exactly what it means.

284254 ▶▶ Lockdown_Lunacy, replying to djaustin, 15, #293 of 1936 🔗

I take issue with this emergency approval given that for the vast majority of the population this is a political/economic emergency as opposed to a medical one.

I’m a healthy 28 year old, does this pass a risk/benefit analysis for me? Not a medical one. It would only benefit me in possibly allowing me to travel abroad for work, which I need to do, so I feel somewhat coerced here. I find it quite unethical.

284264 ▶▶ Charlie Blue, replying to djaustin, 1, #294 of 1936 🔗

I don’t disagree with the points in your first paragraph. However how can we possibly say that these first vaccines are being given on a benefit risk basis? I don’t subscribe to the view that they are designed to finish off millions of people but I am concerned that we don’t know enough about how they might affect poorly, elderly people and so far the benefit to those in other categories is a complete mystery to me.

284380 ▶▶ Tyneside Tigress, replying to djaustin, 3, #295 of 1936 🔗

It is usual best practice in drugs trials (vaccines and therapeutics) for pre-clinical trials to test the experimental candidate in mammals (usually monkeys) over a period of 2 years to allow for conception, pregnancy and foetal toxicity impact study.

284209 karenovirus, replying to karenovirus, 16, #296 of 1936 🔗

I just had breakfast in a chain gastropub*
‘Can you wear a mask?
“I’m exempt thanks”.
She took my order and payment at the bar.
The chef put my food on the plate from the carvery.
Start eating . . .’what happened to Track’n’Trace ? No register, no QR sign’.

Have they given up on it ?

*gastropub is a bit overstated, pub that is centred around food.

284282 ▶▶ Crystal Decanter, replying to karenovirus, 5, #297 of 1936 🔗

I went to Harvester recently and they were quite Stasi about the old track and trace. Still managed to blag my way in, but it was a mission

284455 ▶▶ kenadams, replying to karenovirus, 4, #298 of 1936 🔗

Nowhere seemed to care about track and trace on my first foray into London for several weeks yesterday.

285345 ▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to kenadams, 2, #299 of 1936 🔗

They’ve got better things to do.

284211 Julian, replying to Julian, 5, #300 of 1936 🔗

Has anyone seen anything on whether those most at risk (generally old, ill people) will be vaccinated? I am thinking here about those with other serious underlying health conditions, possibly with dementia, who are either in care homes or already in hospital, and are very frail. I think this category makes up a good proportion of those dying of/from/with covid, but I cannot see how you could want to vaccinate them.

284234 ▶▶ Charlie Blue, replying to Julian, 3, #301 of 1936 🔗

Julian, my impression is that is exactly who they are prioritising. Older folk do not generally choose to go into care homes by virtue of age if they are fairly healthy and can live independently so I think you will struggle to find anyone in that environment who doesn’t have multiple underlying health conditions and considerable frailty. I read yesterday that hospitals will be encouraged to vaccinate as many 80+ patients as they can (sorry can’t remember source). Top of the list.

284279 ▶▶▶ Julian, replying to Charlie Blue, 3, #302 of 1936 🔗

Madness, as it has not been tested on such people.

285852 ▶▶▶▶ richard riewer, replying to Julian, 1, #303 of 1936 🔗

Become a Christian Scientist.

284292 ▶▶▶ Darryl, replying to Charlie Blue, 3, #304 of 1936 🔗

If the relatives don’t have power of attorney of a nursing home resident with dementia the nursing home doctors decide. We have no choice over whether our relative gets the vaccine next week, the doctor has decided they will. The person involved is in very bad health so unsure how they will react to the vaccine.

284299 ▶▶▶▶ steph, replying to Darryl, 2, #305 of 1936 🔗

Darryl, sorry about that. Is it confirmed and booked in?

284430 ▶▶▶▶▶ Darryl, replying to steph, 1, #306 of 1936 🔗

Thanks Steph. We were told they would probably be starting next week. Don’t think the nursing home staff really know what is going on, they just get instructions from above. The staff are meant to be taking the vaccine at the same time as far as I know. The first the relatives will know is after it has happened.

284272 ▶▶ stefarm, replying to Julian, 5, #307 of 1936 🔗

To kill them

285551 ▶▶ Richard Davies, replying to Julian, 1, #308 of 1936 🔗

Hi
I happened to talk with my sister tonight, who is a nurse in a Covid ward.
Her thoughts were test it on the old ones as, if they die, it’s not going to be a problem. Just blame it on Covid.

284214 Richard Pinch, replying to Richard Pinch, 5, #309 of 1936 🔗

For those interested: Commons Human Rights Committee call for evidence is quoted below. May I suggest that the most effective responses will contain evidence rather than anecdote, assertion, speculation, recrimination or abuse.

In order to seek to control the impact of Covid-19, the Government has introduced successive restrictive measures, with varying degrees of severity, both nationally and locally. The impact of these measures has been widely felt, and some groups have been more affected than others.
As part of the ongoing work into the Government’s response to the Covid-19 pandemic, the Joint Committee on Human Rights is examining the impact of lockdown restrictions on human rights and whether those measures only interfere with human rights to the extent that is necessary and proportionate. In particular, we are interested in the impact of long lockdown on certain communities.
The Committee is seeking views on:

  • The impact of lockdown on university students. Have interferences with students’ right to liberty and right to private and family life been proportionate? Have the fixed penalty notices issued to students been proportionate?
  • The impact of lockdown on the freedom of religion and belief, and in particular on collective worship. Have interferences with the freedom of religion and belief been proportionate?
  • Care Home and Hospital Visits. Has current Government guidance struck the correct balance between the right to private and family life and the right to life? Is it being applied fairly and consistently in practice?
  • The human rights impacts of extended lockdown restrictions on those areas subjected to the most stringent, lasting, lockdown conditions. What have been the human rights impacts on family life and mental health for those communities? Are there ways that these rights might be better addressed?
  • Policing of Lockdown.  Is the use of Fixed Penalty Notices (FPNs) for lockdown offences proportionate, fair and non-discriminatory? Is it clear why FPNs have been issued and are there adequate ways to seek a review or appeal of an FPN? Are the amounts of FPN fines proportionate? Has there been a disproportionate impact on certain groups?
  • The right to protest and lockdown. How have lockdown restrictions affected the right to protest? Has the correct balance been struck?


Please send submissions of no more than 1,500 words through the online portal by 11 January 2021.

Your evidence will normally be published on the internet. It stays public forever. That means that other people will be able to find and read what you send us.
If you’d like your evidence to be anonymous (we’ll publish your evidence, but not your name or any personal details about you) or confidential (we’ll read your evidence, but we won’t publish it), please tick the box you’ll see on the submission form.
We can’t guarantee that this will happen, because the Committee has the power to decide whether evidence is kept anonymous or confidential. But we’ll usually be able to do what you’ve asked for.

284274 ▶▶ TJN, replying to Richard Pinch, 1, #310 of 1936 🔗

Encouragingly leading questions.

But they could have included something specific on the human rights of school children.

284217 Crystal Decanter, replying to Crystal Decanter, 20, #311 of 1936 🔗

I already know of two local Doctors (renowned for being slap happy with prescriptions) willing to look the other way and certify the vaxx with a private consultation
Have a feeling this will be a booming business model henceforth

284253 ▶▶ steph, replying to Crystal Decanter, 7, #312 of 1936 🔗

Really? They would be struck off if found out.
I think our path should be to refuse, refuse and refuse again.
We should only get into falsification if the madness really means that eventually we cannot carry on our lives without it. I think the whole edifice will fall before that point.

284308 ▶▶▶ Crystal Decanter, replying to steph, 4, #313 of 1936 🔗

A lot of Doctors have horrendous addictions. Drinkers too

284698 ▶▶ Ben, replying to Crystal Decanter, 6, #314 of 1936 🔗

I’m scared of the NHS and the fascistic entity it’s become, but at the same time there are some truly wonderful people working within the NHS who restore my faith in humanity

I’m just worried about Bill Gates and the World Economic Forum’s plans for nanotechnology vaccines. They are the plantation owners and we are their slaves to be branded, chipped, numbered, updated, monitored and controlled

284840 ▶▶ Nigel Sherratt, replying to Crystal Decanter, #315 of 1936 🔗

That or eBay …

284219 Julian, replying to Julian, 11, #316 of 1936 🔗

I notice Van Tam is featuring more prominently than Whitty and Vallance now we have the vaccine.

His brand is less tainted.
Bad cop, good cop.
Whitty too scary, Vallance too obviously linked to Big Pharma
Van Tam is from an Ethnic Minority, which will play well when they push this in part as something affecting certain non-white people more

284351 ▶▶ Tyneside Tigress, replying to Julian, 4, #317 of 1936 🔗

He also apparently has an underlying health issue, but is strangely not wanting to jump the queue ahead of his 78 year-old mother. I am increasingly thinking, of all of the loathsome grifters in this farce, he should go first, with his wife and kids, before his mother.

284379 ▶▶ JHuntz, replying to Julian, 3, #318 of 1936 🔗

yes a communist ethnic minority how very convenient.

284564 ▶▶ RickH, replying to Julian, 7, #319 of 1936 🔗

Van Tam is massively linked to Big Pharma. See Tom Jefferson’s analysis re. the government gravy train (from 2017) in the BMJ :

Last but not least, another academic with extensive ties to industry over influenza and pandemic planning (and another ex-employee of GSK, Roche and Aventis Pasteur MSD), Jonathan Van Tam has been appointed Deputy Chief Medical Officer responsible for emergency preparedness and pandemic planning. This is a similarly senior position which holds great power and will potentially involve committing huge quantities of taxpayers’ money to projects preparing for future emergencies, which may or may not come about. It is also a very delicate role as the amount of lobbying and corporate pressure applied on governments before the 2009 influenza pandemic shows.”

284692 ▶▶▶ MiriamW-sometimes-AlanG, replying to RickH, 3, #320 of 1936 🔗

Thanks, Rick, you beat me too it. He’s not ‘un-tainted’. He wouldn’t be where he is if he wasn’t. MW

285122 ▶▶▶ richard riewer, replying to RickH, #321 of 1936 🔗

Who appointed this mole from Big Pharma?

284746 ▶▶ Ben, replying to Julian, 3, #322 of 1936 🔗

His brand of fascism is more PC. Somehow he has the power to ban us from human interaction – love is banned

285374 ▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Julian, 1, #323 of 1936 🔗

Lacks subtlety, doesn’t it?

284221 Fingerache Philip., replying to Fingerache Philip., 11, #324 of 1936 🔗

On the front of the i paper this morning: MI5 advises ministers to keep vaccine freezer locations secret amid fear of sabotage”.
Bit over the top, ain’t it?

284225 ▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Fingerache Philip., 6, #325 of 1936 🔗

When it all goes wrong blame it on anti vaxxer terrorists, nice.

284223 Nick Rose, replying to Nick Rose, 48, #326 of 1936 🔗

Somebody on this site asked, some months ago, if we should begin civil disobedience. I suggested then that the time had not yet come.

NOW the time has come. And we have the ideal thing to begin mass civil disobedience. Refuse the vaccine. Refuse to recognise tiers. Contact your local Chambers of Commerce, Rotary, wherever business people in your locality gather. Urge them, together, to defy the restrictions and reopen.

But first of all, most importantly of all, reject the vaccine .

284416 ▶▶ Jonathan Palmer, replying to Nick Rose, 7, #327 of 1936 🔗

The vaccine is the hill we must die on.

284441 ▶▶ Jay Berger, replying to Nick Rose, 8, #328 of 1936 🔗

Rotary. LOL.
They are full of doctors and dentists who love masks and vaccines.
Half the doctors were NSDAP members in 1937, much more than the general population.
They were by far the biggest group of SS members too, 7x higher percentage than the average.
Go figure.

284654 ▶▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Jay Berger, 2, #329 of 1936 🔗

because totalitarian regimes let them try their crazy schemes. cf Lysenco in th Soviet Union.

285123 ▶▶▶ richard riewer, replying to Jay Berger, #330 of 1936 🔗

The Rotary Club?

284955 ▶▶ Ben, replying to Nick Rose, 3, #331 of 1936 🔗

Especially since the vaccine is one of many and a lifetime of Bill Gates’ Microsoft update boosters tied to immunity passports.

The vaccine is a farewell to freedom

285061 ▶▶▶ Rowan, replying to Ben, 2, #332 of 1936 🔗

For many the vaccine will be end to life.

285059 ▶▶ Rowan, replying to Nick Rose, 1, #333 of 1936 🔗

Vaccines are the government’s way of screwing the lid down hard on our communal coffin.

284226 theanalyst, replying to theanalyst, 19, #334 of 1936 🔗

Asymptomatic Transmission

I saw a great quote on this Twitter thread ….” The sneakiest and most dangerous path to authoritarianism is summarized by two words:“Asymptomatic transmission”..”

https://twitter.com/MarkChangizi/status/1334192227963244547

I agree. Its not just about the fraudulent PCR test.

Trying to work the percentages was never my strongest point but reading this research paper below it seems to me that..

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/32790510/

  • Chances of catching Covid from an infected close contact and being asymptomatic = 0.2346%
  • Chances of catching Covid from an infected close contact and being asymptomatic and then passing it on to someone else = 0.00017%. That is a 1.7 chance in 1 million!

So we the people, with with zero symptoms, including children, are instructed to wear masks and are locked down because of a 0.00017% chance, or 1.7 in 1 million chance we might have caught it and pass it on. Other collateral damage is huge.

Seems authoritarian and extremely unreasonable to me. The Basta%ds!

(PS – feel free to correct my numbers if I have this wrong)

284232 ▶▶ clem, replying to theanalyst, 2, #335 of 1936 🔗

I’ve been following Mark Changizi for a while, he certainly has some great comments (although likes to re-tweet his old threads a lot, so you get a fair amount of repetition).

284242 ▶▶ leggy, replying to theanalyst, 14, #336 of 1936 🔗

The asymptomatic scam is certainly the one being used to remove our freedoms. Despite the fact that it ignores hundreds of years of conventional wisdom. Respiratory illnesses are passed on by people who are ill. That’s how they work.

284277 ▶▶▶ Julian, replying to leggy, 4, #337 of 1936 🔗

Yes, and when the government and others argue that you should get vaccinated to help others, they are admitting that asymptomatic transmission is not very likely – otherwise how else would YOUR vaccination help someone else?

284358 ▶▶▶▶ Sam Vimes, replying to Julian, 11, #338 of 1936 🔗

So, to summarise:
If you haven’t got it, you will get it
If you get it, it won’t go away
If you’ve had it, you will get it again
There’s no natural immunity
You can have it and not know
You could kill Granny without knowing…

Surely not the words of desperate liars?

285349 ▶▶▶ Marialta, replying to leggy, 1, #339 of 1936 🔗

A while back I posted a link to Flu research which stated that it could be passed on by asymptomatic people, Others down ticked the post. I guess they assume I believed it. What is relevant is that this has been said of the flu, it’s not a new notion. I agree the whole house of cards falls or stands on this issue.

284270 ▶▶ stefarm, replying to theanalyst, 4, #340 of 1936 🔗

Nobody is allowed to be healthy any more

285128 ▶▶▶ richard riewer, replying to stefarm, #341 of 1936 🔗

Nobody is allowed to get sick anymore.

284227 clem, replying to clem, 9, #342 of 1936 🔗

One small positive, reading the government info document linked in the main article about the vaccine, this hasn’t been tested in children under 16.

For now this should mean there’s no pressure for children to get vaccinated.

I have a 3 1/2 year old daughter and given the near zero risk to her from covid, there’s no way I want an experimental vaccine used on her.

She’s just had all of her regular scheduled vaccinations, so I’m in no way anti-vaccination but given I can’t see anywhere where long-term testing of mRNA vaccines has taken place I don’t see any positive reason for her to need this vaccine.

I know there’s family members who would be pushing for us to get vaccinated if they were suggested, so for now I can avoid that confrontation!

284238 ▶▶ Richard Pinch, replying to clem, 4, #343 of 1936 🔗

From https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/regulatory-approval-of-pfizer-biontech-vaccine-for-covid-19

COVID-19 mRNA Vaccine BNT162b2 is not recommended for children under 16 years.

284794 ▶▶ Judy Watson, replying to clem, 1, #344 of 1936 🔗

Resist at all costs

284230 Hieronimusb, 7, #345 of 1936 🔗

Great news everyone, the latest test data show that the vaccines are effective against spots before the elbows and monkeys on the knee. We are saved. Sorry, I can’t find the link.

284237 Cecil B, replying to Cecil B, 17, #346 of 1936 🔗

The lights are going out all over the world. I do not know if I will see them lit again in my lifetime

284244 ▶▶ leggy, replying to Cecil B, 10, #347 of 1936 🔗

We only will if we are the ones who turn them on.

284302 ▶▶ G.Fawkes, replying to Cecil B, 11, #348 of 1936 🔗

Then we will fight in the dark.

284334 ▶▶▶ Sam Vimes, replying to G.Fawkes, 16, #349 of 1936 🔗

We will trip over the dog, we will stub our toes, we will walk into the door… We will never surrender!

284239 Arnie, replying to Arnie, 11, #350 of 1936 🔗

STERILISE

I keep hearing that word again and again.

‘the first round of vaccines will only STERILISE about 60 to 70% false the population’.

I don’t think this is poor use of the word when a word like ‘immunise’ might be better used. I think this is VERY PRECISE USE OF ABSOLUTELY THE RIGHT WORD.

Please look up protein spikes and the high possibility of placenta’s being unable to develop.

Another day in paradise…

Arnie.

284257 ▶▶ G.Fawkes, replying to Arnie, 4, #351 of 1936 🔗

Yes, there appears to be some concern about spike protein targeting vaccines that cause antibodies to target the Syncytin-1 protein, which is fundamental to placental development. The question as to whether the the antibodies would attack placental Syncytin-1, or only viral Syncytin-1, has not been settled. Of course, if it does attack placental Syncytin-1, it would prevent the zygote from embedding in the womb and forming a placenta.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Syncytin-1

Wodarg’s letter, which mentions this:

https://2020news.de/wp-content/uploads/2020/12/Wodarg_Yeadon_EMA_Petition_Pfizer_Trial_FINAL_01DEC2020_EN_unsigned_with_Exhibits.pdf

284267 ▶▶ steph, replying to Arnie, 5, #352 of 1936 🔗

It’s a foolish overuse of precisely the correct word in terms of immunity. Sadly they let out an even worse boffin than the ones we are used to seeing. He has no idea how to communicate with the public and this word has set hares running. He’s an idiot but I don’t think we should be any more scared than we already reasonably are for an untested vaccine.

284575 ▶▶▶ Ceriain, replying to steph, 1, #353 of 1936 🔗

It’s a foolish overuse of precisely the correct word in terms of immunity.

Spot on, Steph.

I work with Cancer consultants and, in a coversation with a couple this morning, asked about this. They said it is the correct word he used, but given the current worries people have, and what most people think the word means, they said he should have added something along the lines of, “ and by ‘sterilise’ I mean blah, blah, blah ” Both thought it careless of him to not do so.

284367 ▶▶ JHuntz, replying to Arnie, 3, #354 of 1936 🔗

I’m not too worried 2020 has put on hold any intentions I had of having a family at some point.

284249 GuyRich, 6, #355 of 1936 🔗

Oh, what’s this I see? Another outbreak of Bird Flu at ANOTHER turkey farm? Well, well, well. Colour me shocked.
https://www.thepoultrysite.com/news/2020/12/uk-detects-new-bird-flu-cases-and-introduces-measures-to-protect-poultry

284251 Maccynic, replying to Maccynic, 4, #356 of 1936 🔗

Can someone repost the link to the vaccine fact sheet for NHS staff. I have some people to convince.’

If it allows me to leave the country freely and travel freely then inject me up!’ says sister 😔

284294 ▶▶▶ Maccynic, replying to Mabel Cow, #358 of 1936 🔗

Ta!

284288 ▶▶ Stringfellow Hawke, replying to Maccynic, 2, #359 of 1936 🔗
284320 ▶▶▶ Saved To Death, replying to Stringfellow Hawke, 3, #360 of 1936 🔗

I think its much more likely to be due to lockdown and the shutdown of healthcare particularly for the most vulnerable.

284519 ▶▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Stringfellow Hawke, 1, #361 of 1936 🔗

The real Old Holborn blogger of yore?

284255 stefarm, replying to stefarm, 3, #363 of 1936 🔗

The Crowhouse with Max, nails it again

https://www.bitchute.com/video/EgdMgJT5jfpA/

284436 ▶▶ Darryl, replying to stefarm, 1, #364 of 1936 🔗

I like his positivity that they are going to fail to roll out all their plans.

284260 Nick Rose, replying to Nick Rose, 18, #365 of 1936 🔗

Apt post:

https://twitter.com/Stat_O_Guy/status/1334751773492391937

Never in British History has a government willfully destroyed its economy without a clear provable benefit.

284295 ▶▶ IanE, replying to Nick Rose, 2, #366 of 1936 🔗

Well, you say that, but what about all the insanity and ‘investments’ around Global Warming?!

284261 stefarm, replying to stefarm, 28, #367 of 1936 🔗

If those people frothing at the mouth for the big V think the will get their life back. They are very mistaken, they are never getting it back.

284269 ▶▶ Julian, replying to stefarm, 9, #368 of 1936 🔗

This is a very powerful argument to use to convert people to scepticism

284313 ▶▶▶ stefarm, replying to Julian, 7, #369 of 1936 🔗

And to wake the fuck up

284263 Zak Thelotofem, 2, #370 of 1936 🔗

“Best Covid Treatment To Date By Far”:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z5-S49EqCJ8

284273 Stephen Williams, replying to Stephen Williams, 6, #371 of 1936 🔗

I have written to my MP Jack Brereton 5 times since 7th Oct. asking him to resist lockdowns and vote against the government. His latest reply yesterday includes the phrase ‘ Covid is potentially lethal to millions of people in the UK ‘ I am starting to lose hope

284579 ▶▶ Bella Donna, replying to Stephen Williams, 3, #372 of 1936 🔗

Most MPs are more sheeplike than the masked zealots. They have no principles.

284592 ▶▶ Ceriain, replying to Stephen Williams, 3, #373 of 1936 🔗

‘ Covid is potentially lethal to millions of people in the UK ‘

Write back an ask him for a list of things on this planet that are NOT ‘potentially’ lethal; that’ll fox him.

284620 ▶▶▶ Stephen Williams, replying to Ceriain, 2, #374 of 1936 🔗

I am going to write back to ask him to show me the evidence for such claims. He and others should not get away with this scaremongering straight out of the Ferguson, Whitty and Valance book of fairy tales.

284899 ▶▶▶▶ Ceriain, replying to Stephen Williams, 3, #375 of 1936 🔗

Send him this:

Chris Whitty – Government press conference on Monday 11/05/2020:

“The great majority of people will not die from this…

Most people, a significant proportion of people, will not get this virus at all, at any point of the epidemic which is going to go on for a long period of time.

Of those who do, some of them will get the virus without even knowing it, they will have the virus with no symptoms at all, asymptomatic carriage, and we know that happens.

Of those who get symptoms, the great majority, probably 80%, will have a mild or moderate disease. Might be bad enough for them to have to go to bed for a few days, not bad enough for them to have to go to the doctor.

An unfortunate minority will have to go as far as hospital, but the majority of those will
just need oxygen and will then leave hospital.

And then a minority of those will end up having to go to severe end critical care and some
of those sadly will die.

But that’s a minority, it’s 1% or possibly even less than 1% overall.

And even in the highest risk group this is significantly less than 20%, ie. the great majority of people, even the very highest groups, if they catch this virus, will not die.

And I really wanted to make that point really clearly…”

I posted this yesterday. I make no apologies for posting it again.

285022 ▶▶▶▶▶ Quernus, replying to Ceriain, 1, #376 of 1936 🔗

I remember sharing the clip of Whitty saying this on FB at the time. I thought it might be seen as good news, but no, I got shot down in flames for being “callous” and “not taking the virus seriously enough. Even then, the brainwashing was deeply ingrained.

285411 ▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Ceriain, 1, #377 of 1936 🔗

That’s like standing him in a barrel and telling him to pee in the corner.

285146 ▶▶ richard riewer, replying to Stephen Williams, #378 of 1936 🔗

Tell him that his closemindedness is potentially lethal to millions of people in the U.K.

285408 ▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Stephen Williams, #379 of 1936 🔗

Ask him for verifiable evidence.
When he fails, send him Whitty saying most people won’t get it and they won’t be very ill.

284276 TJN, replying to TJN, 42, #380 of 1936 🔗

Much has been written about how human interaction and expression of emotion depends on far more than mere words, and how masks have smothered effective facial communication.

But there is one emotion which masks have not disguised: fear. Rather than in the wider subtleties of facial expressions, fear shows particularly in the eyes, and in tense body language.

When I’m out and about I generally take care not even to look at people wearing muzzles (i.e. nearly everyone). But, despite my efforts to ignore them, one thing I can’t help noticing in many of them is fear in their eyes and movements, especially their eyes – nervous, resentful, as if they are hiding from some terrible apparition.

And in many of them their eyes seem to flick around a lot, perhaps betraying another emotion: guilt.

284284 ▶▶ Stephen Williams, replying to TJN, 5, #381 of 1936 🔗

That’s a great point . I’ve witnessed that too.

284287 ▶▶ Noumenon, replying to TJN, 17, #382 of 1936 🔗

I’m convinced most people wouldn’t wear them if given the option. They are in a perpetual state of alienation and unease.

284297 ▶▶▶ Julian, replying to Noumenon, 11, #383 of 1936 🔗

It may up to a point have been normalised now but most did not wear them when it was optional, even after the new rules had been announced but were not in force

I think many would drop them if the law was changed

284305 ▶▶▶▶ Mabel Cow, replying to Julian, 28, #384 of 1936 🔗

Agreed. I think we’d see a 90% reduction in muzzling in shops within days of a change in the law. Mask wearing is about obedience more than fear, or rather the fear involved is legal and social censure, not fear of the plague.

I’m less hopeful about the cretins who wear them in the street; they’re a lost cause, methinks.

284326 ▶▶▶▶▶ Lockdown_Lunacy, replying to Mabel Cow, 11, #385 of 1936 🔗

I think we would. Just from my observations at my daughter’s school (where they have been ‘strongly encouraged’ when picking up and dropping off in several newsletters), most parents put them on the moment they reach the gates and not a moment sooner. Nobody bats an eyelid or treats me any differently for not wearing one. It’s an obedience thing.

284396 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Mrs issedoff, replying to Lockdown_Lunacy, 5, #386 of 1936 🔗

I totally agree, it is obedience and not wanting to stand out as different. My son is a massive sceptic now (mainly due to my influence)but he still wears a mask and I know of at least ten others who fit into this bracket. I hate the things so much that I would rather stand out than conform.

285425 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Lockdown_Lunacy, 1, #387 of 1936 🔗

My DiL was reprimanded for not wearing a muzzle (outside!) while picking up her kids from the first school. The 6 yr-olds have to wear masks in corridors too!

I picked the kids up last week and was shocked by all the face nappies being worn outside.

My GD is at the high school, which was policed by Gestapo wannabes before covid, so I dread to think what it’s like now.

285648 ▶▶▶▶▶ annie, replying to Mabel Cow, 1, #388 of 1936 🔗

Saw one on the beach this afternoon.It was a chilly day and we had about half a square mile of beach per person.
Needless to say, the nappied moron was young – in her twenties, as far as I could judge.

285063 ▶▶▶ Rowan, replying to Noumenon, 2, #389 of 1936 🔗

There are far too many who wear them where there is no “requirement” to do so.

285314 ▶▶▶▶ Noumenon, replying to Rowan, 1, #390 of 1936 🔗

Depends what you mean by “requirement”.

People’s decisions can be based on legal, moral or psychological factors and come from a place of knowledge or ignorance. People’s perception of what’s ‘required’ needs to change, not what’s actually required.

284325 ▶▶ Sam Vimes, replying to TJN, 8, #391 of 1936 🔗

I’m not seeing this, TJN. I’ve got to say, every conversation I’ve had with a masked shopper has been strangely normal. Chatting in the queue or reaching something from a shelf for someone etc., it’s just as if we both have masks or we both don’t. Completely normal reactions – which makes you wonder why they don’t think “He hasn’t got a mask on, why do I need one?” But of course they don’t…

284370 ▶▶▶ TJN, replying to Sam Vimes, 12, #392 of 1936 🔗

I don’t talk with anyone with a mask on unless I have to. Terrible aren’t I.

What strikes me most out and about in mask land is the shear level of misery and suspicion. Maybe that’s in part my own interpretation. I hate masks …

284393 ▶▶▶▶ Lockdown_Lunacy, replying to TJN, 4, #393 of 1936 🔗

I think that might just be the effect of not being able to read someone’s expressions with a mask covering their face. I’ve found that on the whole, most maskers actually act normally when you interact with them. Seen some lost causes out there too though.

284417 ▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to TJN, 12, #394 of 1936 🔗

Agree. Even if they’re still smiling behind the mask, one can detect the fear and the fact that its too contrived.

What I’ve always noticed when I’m out and about is how people who are muzzled look dead behind the eyes. It’s as if they know that being masked up robs them of their humanity and individuality.

284424 ▶▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Bart Simpson, 6, #395 of 1936 🔗

Probably oxygen starvation.

285861 ▶▶▶▶ richard riewer, replying to karenovirus, 1, #396 of 1936 🔗
284599 ▶▶ Ceriain, replying to TJN, 7, #397 of 1936 🔗

I see ‘ misery ‘ in the eyes of mask wearers.

285036 ▶▶▶ stewart, replying to Ceriain, 5, #398 of 1936 🔗

Is there any animal that will happily have something covering its mouth?

285287 ▶▶▶▶ Spikedee1, replying to stewart, 1, #399 of 1936 🔗

Only perhaps us being happy if jvt, Handjob and the pig dictator were made to wear masks of duck tape

285074 ▶▶▶ Rowan, replying to Ceriain, 1, #400 of 1936 🔗

And stupidity.

285027 ▶▶ Quernus, replying to TJN, 5, #401 of 1936 🔗

I go out of my way to say hello with a big cheery smile to everyone masked (I have to steel myself to do this, mind you). In most people, it displaces the fear in their eyes, and snaps them back to life, if only for a few moments. It’s so important that we keep reminding people what it means to be human.

285077 ▶▶▶ TJN, replying to Quernus, 1, #402 of 1936 🔗

You’re clearly more altruistic than I am! I should do the same really.

285031 ▶▶ stewart, replying to TJN, 2, #403 of 1936 🔗

And nervous they should be. They are signalling to the world how feeble and pathetic they are.

285082 ▶▶▶ TJN, replying to stewart, #404 of 1936 🔗

I’m not sure of the level to which many of them think at all.

285639 ▶▶ annie, replying to TJN, 3, #405 of 1936 🔗

You’re quite right. By contrast, the smile on the hidden lips of the compulsorily gagged shop assistant shows in the crinkles round the eyes and the brightness of the gaze.

Seeing a large gathering of nappied zombies in my church (before I stopped going in disgust), I had the odd impression that they were all blind. It’s because of that blank, dull, expressionless gaze into vacancy. Oculos habent, sed non videbunt.

284278 mhcp, replying to mhcp, 19, #406 of 1936 🔗

I have my own company and one of the tasks of a director is to ensure no harm is caused to the company, in particular being negligent with respect to liabilty.

Now insurance wise you cannot be sued for infectious diseases such as the flu but you can be liable if you introduce measures that can lead to harm. The only way around this is by having waivers and choice.

So I’m wondering why shops are not asking people who come into them to sign a waiver removing liability for any harm caused by wearing masks and enforcing measures.

And this is not a trivial or trite thing. Health and Safety guidelines are that some risk assessment has taken place and measures are there to balance liabilty and safety. A blanket use of “Covid Safe” measures is a liability nightmare, as is track and trace.

If more businesses had a waiver to sign before entry it may change some minds. Of course it may also mean a loss of business. With regards to police and council inspectors the same would apply.

284544 ▶▶ RickH, replying to mhcp, 3, #407 of 1936 🔗

That’s a really good point.

284280 peyrole, replying to peyrole, 10, #408 of 1936 🔗

Re Health Reg 174 on the Pfizer vaccine, clause 6.2 is a bit of a bummer isn’t it. Can’t give it to anyone taking other medication. As almost everyone who suffers from coronavirus has a comorbidity, its no wonder the NHS execs were scratching their heads last night wondering who to give it to. The healthy?

284293 ▶▶ Richard Pinch, replying to peyrole, 3, #409 of 1936 🔗

That’s not how i read clause 6.2

In the absence of compatibility studies, this medicinal product must not be mixed with other medicinal products.

Since section 6 is about storage and administration, I read that to mean that you mustn’t put other medications in the same bottle or syringe.

284303 ▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to Richard Pinch, 3, #410 of 1936 🔗

Yeah, you’re right Richard, that clause is about storing it with other medications.

284314 ▶▶▶▶ peyrole, replying to JohnB, 3, #411 of 1936 🔗

Lets assume you are right, which I don’t, it cannot be stored with any other medicines but it can be injected into someone taking those other medicines? Is that what you are arguing?

284318 ▶▶▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to peyrole, 1, #412 of 1936 🔗

Yeah, that section is about ingredients, storage, disposal and handling.

284342 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ peyrole, replying to JohnB, #413 of 1936 🔗

So you cannot store it with other medicines but you can inject it into humans who are taking those other medicines? Forgive my incredulous reaction.

284404 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ p02099003, replying to peyrole, 1, #414 of 1936 🔗

See my response above.

284603 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ peyrole, replying to p02099003, #415 of 1936 🔗

Yes I have seen it. Doesn’t answer my question. This thing has to be stored at -70C or lower, so there really isn’t a ‘compatability’ issue about storage, how can there be?
You are all trying to be too clever. If its incompatable for storage with other other medicines, its incompatable for using in humans with other medicines.
They just haven’t had time to do any compatability studies so they have put in this clause as a ‘get out’ for future legal actions.

284304 ▶▶▶ peyrole, replying to Richard Pinch, 3, #416 of 1936 🔗

Well you could read it like that I suppose, but the reference to ‘compatability studies’ implies otherwise; you don’t need a study to realise you shouldn’t put different medicines in the same bottle. I think it means exactly what it says.
There has been no time for compatability studies to be completed across a range of other medicines, so they are putting this clause in.Perhaps its been placed where it has to give lawyers wriggle room in due course.

285513 ▶▶▶▶ JanMasarykMunich, replying to peyrole, #417 of 1936 🔗

I have just looked at the document, and I agree with Peyrole.
But I may be wrong.

284349 ▶▶▶ TheOriginalBlackPudding, replying to Richard Pinch, 1, #418 of 1936 🔗

I think that is about co-administration. There was talk at one time of combining covid vaccine with seasonal flu vaccine, to “kill two birds with one shot”. But that approach is contra-indicated.

284403 ▶▶▶ p02099003, replying to Richard Pinch, 5, #419 of 1936 🔗

It means
a) it shouldn’t be stored amongst other medication, this could be more to do with its stability. If it’s in a fridge with MMR, Revaxis, insulin for example, and those are used frequently then the door will be opened often, leading to possible temperature inconsistencies. Blood is tired in its own fridge for the same reason.
b) it should only be mixed with saline and no other components.

284410 ▶▶▶▶ Richard Pinch, replying to p02099003, #420 of 1936 🔗

Thanks.

284539 ▶▶▶ RickH, replying to Richard Pinch, #421 of 1936 🔗

That’s right – but it raises a fundamental issue about a massively undertested vaccine conflicting with a large range of other medications.

285159 ▶▶▶ richard riewer, replying to Richard Pinch, #422 of 1936 🔗

Medicinal? I prefer Benedictine.

284286 IanE, replying to IanE, 15, #423 of 1936 🔗

Hmm, I like how, for virtue-signalling, ‘taking the knee’ has now been superseded by ‘taking the needle’: but, no thanks!

284721 ▶▶ Miss Owl, replying to IanE, 2, #424 of 1936 🔗

The Arsenal v Rapid Vienna game last night was the first since March with fans in the stadium. Previously in any Chumps League or Europa League games where the English team has been at home, there has been knee-taking.

There wasn’t last night.

Interesting.

285164 ▶▶▶ richard riewer, replying to Miss Owl, #425 of 1936 🔗

Good.

284289 Crystal Decanter, replying to Crystal Decanter, 2, #426 of 1936 🔗

Minds.com is a fantastic Farcebook replacement with a very slick group function
I may amend one of my existing unused groups to Lockdown Skepticism
At least that way the Memes can flow freely

285167 ▶▶ richard riewer, replying to Crystal Decanter, #427 of 1936 🔗

If you have a Facebook page try putting a link to Minds.com on it.

284290 FenTyger, replying to FenTyger, 3, #428 of 1936 🔗

Song for “Matty”: Steppenwolf – The Pusher

I never touched nothin
that my spirit could kill
You know I’ve seen a lot of people
walking around with tombstone in their eyes
But the pusher don’t care, ah
if you live or if you die
God damn hmm the pusher
god damn hey I say the pusher
I say god damn god damn the pusherman

285171 ▶▶ richard riewer, replying to FenTyger, #429 of 1936 🔗

God Damn Big Pharma!

284298 Adam, 6, #430 of 1936 🔗

If you thought Johnson or Blair are liars they have nothing on Goebbels Gove, the sooner we rid ourselves of the LibLabConSNP shysters the better

284307 caravaggio57, replying to caravaggio57, 11, #431 of 1936 🔗

New Christmas game.

Hunt for Michael Gove’s moral compass .

Prizes for success include a “knife in the back”
Could we get PHE to ensure that it is on the High Street shelves next week perhaps?

285322 ▶▶ richard riewer, replying to caravaggio57, 1, #432 of 1936 🔗

For parents;
The vaccination agenda plus The Great Reset with Magda Taylor of informedparent.co.uk
Windows On The World with Mark Windows, Sept. 17, 2020

285356 ▶▶▶ richard riewer, replying to richard riewer, #433 of 1936 🔗

Listen to this podcast:
Windows On The World with Mark Windows, Sept. 17, 2020 14:59, 17.Sep 2020 Podcast: Play in new window | Download
Subscribe: Google Podcasts | RSS
The vaccination agenda plus The Great Reset with Magda Taylor of informedparent.co.uk
Nothing new under the Sun. The Victorians also fined people who refused to be vaccinated.

284309 Noumenon, 4, #434 of 1936 🔗

I was thinking, historians must surely have done studies that indicate the economic effects of various events, including pandemics/epidemics, going back a long way and demonstrating the proportionality of the effects relative to the size and character of the economies of the respective periods in question. If this is the case, then surely it would be possible to compare the impact of the present situation with bad public health events in the past. I think that this would be rather eye opening because it seems that despite the very moderate nature of covid it would rank up there with some of the worst public health events in history.

284311 Kev, replying to Kev, 2, #435 of 1936 🔗

If memory serves me well, Ethylene Glycol is anti-freeze, in a vaccine stored at -70C?

No mention of Squalene, Thimerosol or Aluminium in the ingredients list, which is good, but does that mean they are not there, or just not listed?

284352 ▶▶ muzzle, replying to Kev, #436 of 1936 🔗

Yes. I raised my eyebrows when I saw that but perhaps it’s OK in small doses.

284384 ▶▶▶ Crystal Decanter, replying to muzzle, #437 of 1936 🔗

Don’t they put it in wine? (especially the cheap stuff)
maybe that’s an urban myth

284408 ▶▶ p02099003, replying to Kev, #439 of 1936 🔗

Aluminium is probably not required as it is used to provoke and extend an antibody response, this is a T cell vaccine.

284446 ▶▶▶ Kev, replying to p02099003, #440 of 1936 🔗

Yes its an adjuvant, as is Squalene, both umpleasant substances. Sodium Chloride is obviously table salt! Sucrose is a sugar, Cholestrerol is meant to be a bad thing but is a complex fat, sodium hydrogen phsphate is a salt, the rest not sure.

285461 ▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Kev, #441 of 1936 🔗
  • used as a solvent and viscosity decreasing agent in cosmetics and personal care products.

Maybe performs the same function here.

  • used as an excipient in medicinal products for human use

https://www.ema.europa.eu/en/documents/report/propylene-glycol-used-excipient-report-published-support-questions-answers-propylene-glycol-used_en.pdf

284312 Cecil B, replying to Cecil B, 19, #442 of 1936 🔗

I know I keep banging on about this, but I believe the events of and around the 13th November will be crushing if and when the truth comes out

What we know

Cummings and Cain left. Vallance has not been seen since. The pig dictator went into hiding for 14 days

What we have been told

Raging arguments. Texts. Princess nut nut.

This story was planted with tame journalists and repeated as Gospel

Any first hand accounts of this twaddle?

Any corroboration for this twaddle?

My best guess

They had a ‘we are all going to prison if this gets out’ moment. Some jumped ship

Some decided to double down, carry on and create a cover story

284350 ▶▶ JHuntz, replying to Cecil B, 10, #443 of 1936 🔗

Yeah, some serious sh$t went down there and Boris hasn’t looked the same since. He looked dreadful during the debate prior to the vote, racked with guilt methinks.

284392 ▶▶▶ Cecil B, replying to JHuntz, 3, #444 of 1936 🔗

Nervous breakdown that weekend?

284728 ▶▶▶ Miss Owl, replying to JHuntz, 4, #445 of 1936 🔗

Boris has always looked a mess. I remember the Olympic handover in China. Crumpled suit, unbuttoned jacket, hair needed cutting and combing, tie all over the place, hands in pockets. I remember being hugely, hugely embarassed that he was representing our capital city and our country.

Digressing, I know.

284866 ▶▶▶▶ Nigel Sherratt, replying to Miss Owl, #446 of 1936 🔗

Jolly amusing speech about wiff waff and Milo of Croton though.

285463 ▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to JHuntz, 2, #447 of 1936 🔗

Nah. He’s incapable of feeling guilt.
He was holding back a tantrum because his 80 majority safety blanket was being pulled.

284374 ▶▶ Londo Mollari, replying to Cecil B, 5, #448 of 1936 🔗

That’s an interesting perspective. I thought we might have heard from Cummings by now dishing the dirt on Boris, but we haven’t.

284390 ▶▶▶ Cecil B, replying to Londo Mollari, 2, #449 of 1936 🔗

Not if doing so would incriminate him also

284635 ▶▶▶ Ceriain, replying to Londo Mollari, 3, #450 of 1936 🔗

He’ll have been made to sign the longest ‘Non-disclosure agreement’ ever written. He’s probably still working his way through it.

284870 ▶▶ Nigel Sherratt, replying to Cecil B, 1, #451 of 1936 🔗

Makes sense, more than most things at moment.

285572 ▶▶ Richard Davies, replying to Cecil B, #452 of 1936 🔗

I fully agree at some point somebody is going to prison.

284317 peter, replying to peter, 7, #453 of 1936 🔗

The VAX is PEOPLE!

THE VIRUS IS A HOAX

284378 ▶▶ G.Fawkes, replying to peter, 4, #454 of 1936 🔗

The PEOPLE is VIRUS!

THE HOAX IS A VAX

(Davos version)

284874 ▶▶▶ Nigel Sherratt, replying to G.Fawkes, 1, #455 of 1936 🔗

We shall soon end as ‘grey goo’ in a wet and dry Vax no doubt.

284322 Victoria, replying to Victoria, 5, #456 of 1936 🔗

Video from Paul Boys. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SPvBAGYiahY

He is going for a walk – Manchester, Sunday 6 December, 1pm at Piccadilly Gardens

~These politicians need to be ousted. He will put himself forward to serve his country and his people – hopefully many other will do the same ~

284385 ▶▶ nottingham69, replying to Victoria, 3, #457 of 1936 🔗

I will be there.

285469 ▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Victoria, #458 of 1936 🔗

Genuine hero!
Hope he gets lots of support because he deserves it.

284323 stefarm, replying to stefarm, 6, #459 of 1936 🔗

When will the penny drop #3

Amazon review for gimp masks

These masks have a strange smell to them. A little unnerving considering they are supposed to be sterile. They are also more scratchy and uncomfortable than previous masks I have bought. Will not buy these again

284330 ▶▶ Victoria, replying to stefarm, 4, #460 of 1936 🔗

Yes. Saturate your lungs with chemicals – same as smoking 40 cigarettes a day if not worse.

284354 ▶▶▶ stefarm, replying to Victoria, 2, #461 of 1936 🔗

Or do both, a win double!

284328 Nick Rose, replying to Nick Rose, 33, #462 of 1936 🔗

When this nonsense is over, I want the Firearms Act (1920) and all its subsequent anti-freedom acts repealed. Time for us to demand the freedoms assured by the Bill of Rights (1688). People must be allowed to defend themselves. My message to liberal bleeding hearts on this one is fuck off.

284345 ▶▶ Julian, replying to Nick Rose, 7, #463 of 1936 🔗

Most people who consider themselves liberal are nothing of the sort.

284420 ▶▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to Julian, #464 of 1936 🔗

I know.Think I’ll take a break today, I’ve been a bit over-combative over the past few days 🤐 😐

284442 ▶▶▶ mjr, replying to Julian, 5, #465 of 1936 🔗

as with all politicians
Liberal Democrats are neither liberal or democratic
Conservatives are not conservative
Labour have nothing to do with workers

284490 ▶▶▶ Bella Donna, replying to Julian, 4, #466 of 1936 🔗

I’m Liberal up to a point. But lines have now been crossed and I’m just plain angry.

284533 ▶▶ RickH, replying to Nick Rose, 1, #467 of 1936 🔗

Oh yes – that went well in the US!

Barmy idea.

285406 ▶▶ David Grimbleby, replying to Nick Rose, #468 of 1936 🔗

Doe’s this include the flintlock?

284331 Barney McGrew, replying to Barney McGrew, 16, #469 of 1936 🔗

The Latest News says:

It is also worth remembering that Matt Hancock, one of the vaccine’s foremost advocates, conceded yesterday that it is not known how long immunity derived from the Pfizer/BioNTech vaccine will last.

Am I the only person who is slightly wary of pushing this line? Surely, as Lockdown Sceptics, we should be only too happy for the vaccinated to believe themselves invincible forever so we can get back to bloody normal.

Frankly, I don’t care whether the vaccine works or not – because I don’t believe it is necessary at all. I just want the Covidians to believe they’re immune.

284343 ▶▶ Julian, replying to Barney McGrew, 16, #470 of 1936 🔗

1) I don’t think it does mean we will get back to normal, and there’s evidence this view is shared by our “leaders” and their advisors. Tier 1 is the New Normal.
2) Accepting the vaccine is giving tacit support to the notion that covid was an unprecedented public health emergency. If this notion is not exposed, we are now subject for the forseeable future to medico fascism.

FWIW I fear we have lost – the vaccine, whether it is useful or not, will be accepted by enough people for the government to be able to get away with their lies. They were running out of dodgay data; the vaccine came along just in time, hence the haste.

The only chink of hope for me is that when people see we have not got back to normal, they will realise they’ve been had.

In any case, we shall continue to fight to the bitter end.

284896 ▶▶▶ Barney McGrew, replying to Julian, 3, #471 of 1936 🔗

I’m not quite as depressed as I was. The way I see it, the government has shot its bolt with the vaccine. It might have been that the world in synchronicity announced the vaccine, complete with portentous warnings that it wasn’t the end of the road, etc. But our government didn’t do that: it announced our vaccine as an unambiguous national triumph.

So the public is seeing the end of the road; Johnson has implied things will be back to ‘old normal’ next summer – whether or not that is his intention. The vaccine can’t be easily withdrawn, now – it would be disastrous for the government. They will probably even be motivated to doctor the statistics of its effectiveness and safety – I hope they do.

Members of the public who get their entire family vaccinated are probably going to be much more relaxed when they see a maskless person in the supermarket, and they’re certainly not going to see the logic in wearing one themselves – they’ve done their bit; got vaccinated; they are no longer a walking potential granny killer.

Those pseudoscientists on power trips like Trish Greenhalgh must be furious. They must see their brief moment of power and influence ebbing away.

The point I would emphasise is the way the vaccine has been announced. It would be very difficult to now put it back in its box.

285583 ▶▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Barney McGrew, #472 of 1936 🔗

You find that undepressing?

286006 ▶▶▶▶▶ Barney McGrew, replying to Cheezilla, #473 of 1936 🔗

We have suffered for the last nine months with the certain knowledge that our government was wrong in everything it has done – without even knowing whether or not it had malign intent. But worse than that, our fellow humans have gone along with it like dumb animals. We had no vision of an end point; a point at which ordinary people might demand to go back to normal. We had some vague notion that they were assuming life would go back to normal, but they weren’t intelligent or articulate enough to tell us (that phenomenon where they just go quiet and put on a mask rather than articulate where they stand on the issue).

But the vaccine is, at last, ‘a line in the sand’. It’s something that ordinary people can focus on. And the way the government has gone about it, it is something they can be held to account on.

Sure, the worry is that it will be compulsory (whether directly or indirectly), but until that happens, it’s a good thing that ordinary people now have a psychological crutch to help them in their terror at leaving the house.

284362 ▶▶ calchas, replying to Barney McGrew, 14, #474 of 1936 🔗

I am sorry to have to say this, but we are never going back to normal.

That doesn’t mean we have lost.

It means that we, the people of the world, are now in a titanic struggle to make sure that it is we, who will shape whatever future emerges.

We shall prevail.

285415 ▶▶▶ David Grimbleby, replying to calchas, #476 of 1936 🔗

Agreed , Barney is too optimistic.

284531 ▶▶ RickH, replying to Barney McGrew, 4, #477 of 1936 🔗

Sadly, the robbers have got away with the swag – courtesy the only real success – the brainwashing strategy.

Having succeeded thus far governments have been handed a locked and loaded weapon that they can re-use whenever the time is right. You can be sure that the narrative will continue to its intended conclusion – that of a deadly disease, initially kept at bay by wise ‘scientific’ measures and ( for the time being) vanquished by a miracle vaccine.

285392 ▶▶▶ Borisbullshit, replying to RickH, 2, #478 of 1936 🔗

Have to agree there Rick…..they will re use this strategy as many times as we allow them to in the future…thats the real new normal. Unless they are forced to admit its been a disaster they will use it again and again.

285522 ▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Barney McGrew, #479 of 1936 🔗

You can’t always get what you want ….

285542 ▶▶ JanMasarykMunich, replying to Barney McGrew, 1, #480 of 1936 🔗

Absolutely right. Best solution, since the really dangerous virus is fear. As long as vaccine is genuinely voluntary (NO restrictions) then this is best outcome.

284339 steph, replying to steph, 6, #481 of 1936 🔗

I’ve just checked back on a post late on yesterday’s page and Biker has called me a liar!
Biker you do know that by the law of averages some people on this site will have had relatives in the jobs I claim or even be in those jobs themselves? Everything I said was true and I am extremely angry at being called a shill.
I am a thorough through and through sceptic and want lockdown stopped and the vaccine delayed until it is properly tested. Those views can easily sit alongside knowing people on the frontlines of the NHS and who have contracted the disease.
Can we be a bit more respectful to each other here please?

284357 ▶▶ JohnB, replying to steph, 1, #482 of 1936 🔗

People get called everything on here, just accept it and don’t be a snowflake. I’m 77th brigade so not really bothered when people insinuate that I’m a member of it, I just add them to the list!

284375 ▶▶ calchas, replying to steph, 12, #483 of 1936 🔗

‘Biker’ just needs to be fed a bit of raw meat now and then. I’ m glad he’s on our side and not theirs.

Don’t take it too hard Steph. I believe what you said.

284386 ▶▶▶ steph, replying to calchas, #484 of 1936 🔗

Thanks.

285571 ▶▶▶ JanMasarykMunich, replying to calchas, 1, #485 of 1936 🔗

Well put. And me too.

284496 ▶▶ Mr Dee, replying to steph, 1, #486 of 1936 🔗

We’ve all been called something or other by Biker at one time or another. It’s all part of the fun. Don’t take it too seriously.

285398 ▶▶▶ Borisbullshit, replying to Mr Dee, 1, #487 of 1936 🔗

Especially poor old RickH!

285420 ▶▶▶ David Grimbleby, replying to Mr Dee, #488 of 1936 🔗

Yes, and he still hasn’t found out what Johnson means in The Big Lebowski….

284523 ▶▶ G.Fawkes, replying to steph, 2, #489 of 1936 🔗

If you feel as if you’ve been insulted, your own mind is complicit in the insult. Choose not to be insulted, and you haven’t been. Look after your own feelings, don’t demand that others tiptoe about your inability to deal with your own emotions. They’re your problem. Besides, it’s the one that does the insulting that should feel shame, not you.

284608 ▶▶▶ steph, replying to G.Fawkes, 2, #490 of 1936 🔗

I didn’t say I felt shame as I have nothing to be ashamed of.
However, I do feel prolonged exposures to this site is bad for the mental health so I’m going to take a few days break.

284680 ▶▶ Ben, replying to steph, 4, #491 of 1936 🔗

The disease that’s “harmless to the vast majority of people” (Chris Whitty Downing Street briefing earlier this year)

284695 ▶▶ arfurmo, replying to steph, 2, #492 of 1936 🔗

I think someone once said that Biker was the name that the Queen posted under on here. Not sure if that is true.

285015 ▶▶▶ Edward, replying to arfurmo, #493 of 1936 🔗

I’m sure it was a joke – quite a good one.

285208 ▶▶▶ Ceriain, replying to arfurmo, #494 of 1936 🔗

It’s true. 🙂

284341 Victoria, replying to Victoria, 13, #495 of 1936 🔗

Asymptomatic People Do Not Spread COVID-19

  • A vast majority of those testing positive for SARS-CoV-2 are asymptomatic. They simply aren’t sick. The PCR test is merely picking up inactive (noninfectious) viral particles
  • In one study, which looked at pregnant women admitted for delivery, 87.5% of the women who tested positive for the presence of SARS-CoV-2 had no symptoms
  • A study looking at PCR test data from nearly 10 million residents in Wuhan city found that not a single one of those who had been in close contact with an asymptomatic individual tested positive
  • Of the 34,424 residents with a history of COVID-19, 107 individuals tested positive a second time, but none were symptomatic and none were infectious
  • When asymptomatic patients were tested for antibodies, they discovered that 190 of the 300, or 63.3%, had actually had a “hot” or productive infection resulting in the production of antibodies. Still, none of their contacts had been infected

According to media reports, COVID-19 “cases,” meaning positive PCR test results, are soaring across the U.S. and around the world, leading to the implementation of measures that in some cases are stricter than what we endured during the initial wave.

However, as detailed in several recent articles, including “ Why COVID-19 Testing Is a Tragic Waste ,” PCR tests are being used incorrectly, resulting in the false appearance of widespread transmission.

In reality, the vast majority of people who end up with a positive test will not develop symptoms and aren’t infectious. Needless to say, if you’re not infectious, you pose no health risk to anyone, and being placed under what amounts to house arrest is nothing but cruel and unusual punishment for no reason whatsoever.

https://articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2020/12/04/do-asymptomatic-people-spread-coronavirus.aspx

284369 ▶▶ RickH, replying to Victoria, #496 of 1936 🔗

Does anyone have an overview of what proportion of actual current PCR+ results are real positives? (Given that will vary with the Ct in use)

It does look as if it’s around 10%. Certainly below 20% – and that, of course includes moderate viral loads and mild infections.

284382 ▶▶▶ Charlie Blue, replying to RickH, 1, #497 of 1936 🔗

I don’t see how we can possibly know with the current chaos.

284406 ▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to RickH, 1, #498 of 1936 🔗

Raab said 7% a couple of months back when questioned by Kay Burley on Sky News about why there wasn’t PCR testing taking place at Airports.

284482 ▶▶▶▶ Kev, replying to JohnB, #499 of 1936 🔗

Mike Yeadon reckons the FPR is about 5%, so the positivity rate would be 95%, but then you have false negatives and not seen any figures for that!

284659 ▶▶▶ Darnation, replying to RickH, #500 of 1936 🔗

Well, given the study that Victoria cites tested 10,000,000 people, and only recorded 407 positives, that suggests that the false positive rate is less than 0.005%.Which therefore implies well over 99% are real positives.

285595 ▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to RickH, #501 of 1936 🔗

Surely it depends on the number of cycles. You could use it to tell you exactly what you want – as I’m sure they have been doing.

284666 ▶▶ Ben, replying to Victoria, 2, #502 of 1936 🔗

But isn’t spreading it a good thing? Herd immunity.. Dilution? Etc etc

284363 D B, 6, #503 of 1936 🔗

Please can we get someone to disprove this asymptomatic transmissions rubbish – if you don’t have symptoms you don’t have the bloody virus. Happy to have my mind changed but that’s like me saying I am asymptomatic with every virus and illness on the planet.

284364 Victoria, replying to Victoria, 18, #504 of 1936 🔗

German Lawyers Sue Fact Checkers Over Censorship

Many doctors, scientists and lawyers have now become wise to the fact that it is these flawed tests, and their fraudulent use, that is keeping the fear narrative alive — and they’re taking action.

In the video above, Ben Swann talks to Dr. Reiner Fuellmich, a consumer protection trial lawyer and founding member of the German Corona Extra-Parliamentary Inquiry Committee (Außerparlamentarischer Corona Untersuchungsausschuss), which is seeking to expose how fraudulent testing has been and continues to be used to engineer the appearance of a dangerous pandemic when in fact there is none.

The committee is now filing the first of many lawsuits to come, this one against so-called fact checkers on social media. They opted to file a defamation lawsuit on behalf of Dr. Wolfgang Wodarg, a former member of the German Congress and the Council of Europe who has been an outspoken critic of PCR testing, as it cannot be used to diagnose infection.

Social media companies have labeled Wodarg’s statements as “false,” and by filing a defamation suit, the burden of proof now falls on the fact checkers to prove that they are correct. In other words, to win, the fact checkers must prove that PCR tests diagnose active infection . The scientific evidence proves they don’t, so this case could turn out to be pivotal in the fight against the big tech censorship that keeps the fearmongering alive.

https://articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2020/12/04/do-asymptomatic-people-spread-coronavirus.aspx

BREAKING: German Lawsuit Against “FactCheckers” Would Force Them To Prove Legitimacy of C0VlD Tests
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iKJqDZdiMto&feature=youtu.be

284469 ▶▶ Bella Donna, replying to Victoria, 3, #505 of 1936 🔗

I hope the German courts aren’t as corrupt as ours.

285594 ▶▶ JanMasarykMunich, replying to Victoria, #506 of 1936 🔗

Good. The recent Portuguese court decision bodes well.

And there have been several German court findings against ‘fact-checkers’ (correctiv)

https://www.achgut.com/artikel/correctiv_und_seine_pappkameraden

284365 Nick Rose, replying to Nick Rose, 6, #507 of 1936 🔗

Paul Weston: A message for Cressida Dick

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lrG3mr0mow8

Love the way he begins this video!! lol

284407 ▶▶ RickH, replying to Nick Rose, 4, #508 of 1936 🔗

‘Nuff said; ’nuff seen. Eloquent testimony to the inherent corruption.

284421 ▶▶ calchas, replying to Nick Rose, 2, #509 of 1936 🔗

Superbly srticulated outrage from Paul Weston.

284481 ▶▶ Mark, replying to Nick Rose, 1, #510 of 1936 🔗

Sadly I don’t think Paul Weston’s enmity will be any problem for the likes of Dick – she will regard that as a badge of merit for her position, much like any totalitarian criticised by a dissident. For totalitarians, dissidents are bad people whom it is good to harm in any way you can get away with.

These are the kind of people – the “woke left” – who have taken control of our institutions.

284847 ▶▶ mjr, replying to Nick Rose, #511 of 1936 🔗

just reading the article in last week’s Sunday Times mag about her. a bit of a whitewash. does comment on the increase black stop and search. on Covid she says “if you cast your mind back to March nobody knew how people would respond. People thought their might be rioting” So that is where her approach to peaceful protest comes from. As assumption that there will be rioting

284368 Voz 0db, replying to Voz 0db, #512 of 1936 🔗

“and azithromycin (to reduce the risk of cytokine storm)”

That’s a 1st! Using an antibiotic to “treat” “cytokine storm”… No wonder!

284488 ▶▶ Richard Pinch, replying to Voz 0db, 3, #513 of 1936 🔗

Not a first, according to this paper in Nature from 2015.

284643 ▶▶▶ Voz 0db, replying to Richard Pinch, #514 of 1936 🔗

Well… a 1st since we’re not talking of a “cytokine storm” caused by bacteria, but from an alleged new virus!

They use antibiotics do try to avoid bacterial co-infection that can also increase the stress on the cells and therefore the “cytokine storm”!

This is why most GP prescribe antibiotics when a moron slave goes to the “doctor” with a cold/flu… and this is also why we are now having major problems with antibiotic resistant bacteria!

284678 ▶▶▶▶ Richard Pinch, replying to Voz 0db, 1, #515 of 1936 🔗

The paper I linked to discusses the use of azithromycin to modulate the immune system response to a virus.

284767 ▶▶▶▶▶ Voz 0db, replying to Richard Pinch, -1, #516 of 1936 🔗

Yes… In mice, in a lab! In the real world when an animal as an influenza viral infection… that’s not the only thing happening!

Well at least it wasn’t, since it appears we are now being handled like mice on a lab…

Some antibiotics promote the production of molecules that help to reduce the stress signals between cells and also help in the fight against viral material… call it side effect if you like.

But in this particular case, we’re talking about mythical RNA “SARS-CoV-2”!

Unless they now decided that after all it is a special bacteria that is causing the special pneumonia.

284663 ▶▶ Ben, replying to Voz 0db, 1, #517 of 1936 🔗

Antibiotics cause their own problems

I wish the Government would leave us alone and let us catch colds and flus the natural way

284771 ▶▶▶ Voz 0db, replying to Ben, -1, #518 of 1936 🔗

Only one way to achieve that dream now…

284371 p02099003, replying to p02099003, 1, #519 of 1936 🔗

I am wondering the purpose of cholesterol, potassium chloride and sucrose in the vaccine.

284383 ▶▶ calchas, replying to p02099003, #520 of 1936 🔗

How do you know that they are in the vaccine?

Have you got a source?

284400 ▶▶▶ Scouse Sceptic, replying to calchas, 2, #522 of 1936 🔗

It was posted in today’s update on here

284783 ▶▶▶ Voz 0db, replying to calchas, -1, #523 of 1936 🔗

I always enjoy the infantile belief that Andy Riley, Scouse Sceptic and others manifest when they posts those links!

Their trust in these KNOWN LIARS, SCOUNDRELS AND MURDERERS is truly funny!

284398 ▶▶ Charlie Blue, replying to p02099003, 2, #524 of 1936 🔗

“Halperin, who teaches at Canada’s Dalhousie University , said potassium chloride is used in vaccines because it is a salt, and “when making a viral vaccine, you need to have the proper amount of salts to keep cells alive. Because it’s a natural product that all cells need, it’s also put into cell cultures.””

Sucrose is used as a stabiliser. No idea about cholesterol!!

284779 ▶▶▶ Voz 0db, replying to Charlie Blue, -1, #525 of 1936 🔗

It’s an mRNA experiment based of fat molecules… and those moron enough to take it are the guinea pigs.

284414 ▶▶ JohnB, replying to p02099003, 2, #526 of 1936 🔗

At least it hasn’t got Dihydrogen monoxide in it.

284431 ▶▶▶ Two-Six, replying to JohnB, 1, #527 of 1936 🔗

That should be banned outright, totally incompatible with human life

284551 ▶▶ Richard Pinch, replying to p02099003, 1, #528 of 1936 🔗

I don’t claim to know the purpose, but Vaccines by Plotkin, Orenstein and Offit notes that cholesterol and its precursor squalene are used as adjuvants to emulsify oil and water.

285640 ▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to p02099003, 1, #529 of 1936 🔗

The cholesterol will be part of the lipid coating. Sucrose is used to purify vaccines and is also a stabiliser. Potassium chloride is probably an excipient, helping maintain liquidity.

284377 Nobody2020, 1, #530 of 1936 🔗

May not be significant but just a thought for the day.

Nature’s solutions tend to be optimal/optimised over time.

If there are multiple vaccines that work in different ways then they can’t all be optimal.

284381 Cheezilla, replying to Cheezilla, 3, #531 of 1936 🔗

Incompatibilities: “In the absence of compatibility studies, this medicinal product must not be mixed with other medicinal products.”

Doesn’t that exclude 99% of the covid-vulnerable patients??

284391 ▶▶ Andy Riley, replying to Cheezilla, #532 of 1936 🔗

See discussion below. This is about storage not mixing in the body.

284617 ▶▶▶ peyrole, replying to Andy Riley, 3, #533 of 1936 🔗

No, that discussion was not conclusive. There is a ‘view’ its about storage because of the positioning of the clause in the document. However storage of this vaccine is obviously incompatable with other medicines because of the required temperature, you don’t need a compatability study to tell you that.
But this clause specifically refers to no compatability being conducted , which of course is true as there has not been time. Its disinguous to suggest this has nothing to do with ‘mixing’ this vaccine with other medications. Its clearly a get-out clause which can be used for future legal actions.
To the layman its simply silly to say you can’t store something in the same cabinet, but you can inject a human with both and not expect consequences.

284388 Voz 0db, replying to Voz 0db, 4, #534 of 1936 🔗

Here it is…
Until several Jedburgh’s actions aren’t executed nothing will change except the things the SRF & Billionaires via jesters want to CHANGE!

Pretending that this is not what it takes will just ensure EVEN MORE success to the SRF & Billionaires & jesters…

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Mine and yours online opinions COUNT ZERO.
“Experts” (outside of that gang) opinions or papers or letters COUNT ZERO.
Street “Protests” COUNT ZERO.

This is a REALITY very easily observable… I guess we are enjoying this shit show.

285649 ▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Voz 0db, #535 of 1936 🔗

What’s a reseter?

284389 TJN, replying to TJN, 16, #536 of 1936 🔗

From today’s post:

No Tony. Just no.

Should have read:

Fuck off Tony. Just fuck off.

We mustn’t let editorial standards slip.

284395 ▶▶ Arnie, replying to TJN, 7, #537 of 1936 🔗

Agreed. Standards must be maintained.

Arnie.

284394 Margaret, replying to Margaret, 6, #538 of 1936 🔗

Simon Dolan #KBF (@simondolan) Tweeted: The Pfizer vaccine hasn’t been used, or tested AT ALL on anyone in these first 4 groups.

@DHSCgovuk @MattHancock @NadineDorries Please correct me if I am wrong on this,before you start injecting these poor sods, most of whom will have no idea of the experimental nature of it
https://twitter.com/simondolan/status/1334777883034836995?s=20



284405 ▶▶ John Galt, replying to Margaret, #539 of 1936 🔗

I can’t work out where he’s getting this from regarding age. Regarding testing ages, the document states “21.8% (of those tested) were over 65 years”. It’s quite a big point to make, so I wish he’d provide where he’s getting this from.

284409 ▶▶▶ Charlie Blue, replying to John Galt, 2, #540 of 1936 🔗

Article in New Scientist:
Does it work in older people?
Yes. Trial participants were aged up to 85, and the efficacy in people over 65 was 94 per cent – a tiny bit lower than the overall number but still very protective, and much higher than some vaccine experts feared. The vaccine hasn’t been tested in people aged over 85.
What about other vulnerable groups?
The vaccine appears to be equally effective regardless of recipients’ age, sex and ethnicity, according to BioNTech. It has been tested extensively in people who have already had the virus and doesn’t cause any ill effects. It has also been tested in people with “stable” pre-existing conditions – also known as comorbidities – including diabetes, cancer, hepatitis B, hepatitis C and well-managed HIV. Their response was as good as anyone else’s.
People with serious or worsening comorbidities will also be eligible for the vaccine. BioNTech says it has data on this group and will release it in a matter of days.

Read more: https://www.newscientist.com/article/2261805-everything-you-need-to-know-about-the-pfizer-biontech-covid-19-vaccine/#ixzz6feT74LSW

Not saying there is nothing to be concerned about, but I think Dolan can be rather impulsive in his claims at times.

284426 ▶▶▶▶ John Galt, replying to Charlie Blue, 1, #541 of 1936 🔗

Thanks, I was certain I was reading it right.

It’s a really big point to make and he’s made it multiple times now. I thought I’d swayed a relative from getting the vaccine when I told him about the issues, but then it turned out that the only point he was really worried about was that it hadn’t been tested on over 55’s – which was the case when I read it about a month ago, but isn’t the case anymore. So it can be quite dangerous to use that as a point of argument, because it’s easily disproved.

284449 ▶▶▶▶▶ Charlie Blue, replying to John Galt, 1, #542 of 1936 🔗

I agree, John. Dangerous and undermining of his credibility. There are plenty of genuine sceptical points to be made and I think we all need to be careful to stick to those.

284478 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Margaret, replying to Charlie Blue, #543 of 1936 🔗

Oops!

284636 ▶▶▶▶ Margaret, replying to Charlie Blue, 1, #544 of 1936 🔗

Just read the New Scientist link. What interests me more is where it says 170 people from the study “fell ill” with SARS-cov2. I would need to know if they had symptoms or if they were hospitalised. How were they diagnosed? PCR or LFT or something else? Did they have a clinical diagnosis alongside a test? Lots of unanswered questions.

284401 Nobody2020, replying to Nobody2020, 6, #545 of 1936 🔗

Another thought for the day. This one slightly more troubling based on the thought process that seems to have developed this year.

Masks work, if they don’t it must be something else…
Lockdowns work, if they don’t it must be something else…

Vaccines are safe…if it turns out there is any significant downside…it must be something else…

285606 ▶▶ Richard Davies, replying to Nobody2020, #546 of 1936 🔗

Yes they are all caused by Covid – catch22 – off we go again!

284402 Barnabas, replying to Barnabas, 6, #547 of 1936 🔗

Prevent any restrictions on those who refuse a Covid-19 vaccination
https://petition.parliament.uk/petitions/323442

284412 ▶▶ Mr Dee, replying to Barnabas, 2, #548 of 1936 🔗

This petition will now be debated in Parliament, on Dec 14.

284413 ▶▶▶ Mr Dee, replying to Mr Dee, #549 of 1936 🔗

.

284432 ▶▶▶ Mr Dee, replying to Mr Dee, 1, #550 of 1936 🔗

And so I’ve just sent an email to my MP asking what his views are on the matter.

284418 Steve Hayes, replying to Steve Hayes, 7, #551 of 1936 🔗

Douglas Murray’s article calling for China to have to pay reparations for the harm that the government of this country has inflicted on us all is ironic, to put it mildly. He has clearly adopted the worst elements of the Woke ideology: the playing the victim card, the blaming the other, the dividing the world up into the evil and the good based on group identity.

China is no more responsible for the coronavirus than US agribusiness was responsible for the 2009 swine flu pandemic, and I don’t recall him demanding reparations from them. Viruses exist. Mostly they are harmless, some are beneficial, some cause disease. We, that is our species, have always co-existed with them and will continue to do so for as long as our species exists – there will doubtless be viruses long after our species is extinct.

It is ironic to see how fully Murray has bought into the assumption that “we” should be completely protected from the coronavirus: a position I am sure he would never take in respect of all the other countless risks. It looks like all the time he has devoted to reading and listening to the Woke has somehow managed to get passed his critical faculties and convert him to its underline childishness.

284427 ▶▶ JohnB, replying to Steve Hayes, 20, #552 of 1936 🔗

The problem with Murray’s argument is that the devastation has been caused by Governments locking down.

284439 ▶▶▶ leggy, replying to JohnB, 5, #553 of 1936 🔗

Precisely. China are no more guilty in all this than any other government. It’s yet more divide and conquer narrative nonsense.

284450 ▶▶▶▶ Saved To Death, replying to leggy, 2, #554 of 1936 🔗

There is really no China just a billion people held hostage by the CCP. Soon we will be just 60 million held hostage by the ‘BCP’. Actually all the people of the world have a lot in common when it comes to what really matters at the moment.

284451 ▶▶▶▶ Julian, replying to leggy, 2, #555 of 1936 🔗

I think it’s quite silly to hold them responsible for the virus itself, unless you think it was created in a lab and leaked deliberately or accidentally, though I suppose you could make a case for them being a bit lax when it comes to human-animal contact – I don’t know enough about how zoonotic viruses jump to say much more.

They have certainly manipulated the situation in their favour, in quite a sinister manner and to great effect – but we let them do it, and would have done the same thing to them had we been clever enough to think of it, which we’re not

The main problem with this kind of thing is that it takes focus away from what we did wrong

284505 ▶▶▶▶ RickH, replying to leggy, 3, #556 of 1936 🔗

The worst you could say is that China provided a baited hook. But it was western governments who swallowed it, along with the line and sinker.

284642 ▶▶▶▶▶ Mark, replying to RickH, 2, #557 of 1936 🔗

Indeed. Though absolutely not just western governments – western elites and establishments, pretty much wholesale. Governments could never have done what they’ve done this year without the consent and approval of the vast majority of the powerful and influential.

285655 ▶▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to leggy, 1, #558 of 1936 🔗

My reaction to the headline was that the reaction was entirely the choice of the governments involved, so it’s inappropriate to blame China.

284440 ▶▶▶ steph, replying to JohnB, 9, #559 of 1936 🔗

Absolutely, we could have been out of this early summer. Every chance they had to rein it in, they doubled down. Self inflicted wound which must be making any competitor see how easily the developed world can be manipulated if necessary in future.

284453 ▶▶▶▶ Steve Hayes, replying to steph, 9, #560 of 1936 🔗

Early summer? The lockdown measures should never have been introduced. They were a massive over-reaction, were doomed to failure, and could only inflict massive harm. They were at best a case of collective madness and at worst crimes against humanity. This needs to be recognised or we shall be for ever at risk of such madness.

285326 ▶▶▶▶▶ ChrisDinBristol, replying to Steve Hayes, 2, #561 of 1936 🔗

Spot on. Never Again (campaign slogan?)

284447 ▶▶▶ Lockdown_Lunacy, replying to JohnB, 9, #562 of 1936 🔗

Yes, I’m no fan of the CCP, but the west has done a fine job of destroying itself.

284448 ▶▶▶ Steve Hayes, replying to JohnB, 15, #563 of 1936 🔗

The government of this country has inflicted more harm upon us than the virus ever could – and this was entirely predictable; indeed, some people, including me, did predict that the government’s response would do exactly that. If Murray wants to apportion blame he would do better to look to Vallance and Whitty and Ferguson and Hancock and Gove and Johnson etc. China did not take away our rights and liberties and decimate our economy: those crimes were committed by our domestic elite.

284454 ▶▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to Steve Hayes, 6, #564 of 1936 🔗

Every Government saw the opportunity and went for the power grab. They now have unlimited power to do whatever they like. The MSM complied and assisted with the indoctrination of the general public.

285932 ▶▶▶▶ JanMasarykMunich, replying to Steve Hayes, #565 of 1936 🔗

Quite agree with criticism of UK govt.
But worth getting to the bottom of how this started.
https://breggin.com/coronavirus/Final-Fauci-Treachery-Report-10.19.2020.pdf

284452 ▶▶ nottingham69, replying to Steve Hayes, -3, #566 of 1936 🔗

No this is the CCP Virus, sent deliberately from Hubei province China to Italy. Murray is right they shouldn’t be let off the hook, starting with the WHO name for the Virus.

284457 ▶▶▶ Lockdown_Lunacy, replying to nottingham69, 8, #567 of 1936 🔗

If that was the case it would be the most benign bioweapon ever created.

284648 ▶▶▶▶ Mark, replying to Lockdown_Lunacy, 7, #568 of 1936 🔗

Exactly. That’s the fiendish ingenuity of those Fu Manchu masterminds. They created a disease that was all but harmless, knowing that western elites would nevertheless destroy their own nations merely out of fear of it.

284905 ▶▶▶▶▶ Nigel Sherratt, replying to Mark, 1, #569 of 1936 🔗

More a case of not letting a crisis that you’ve helped inflame go to waste.

284459 ▶▶▶ Steve Hayes, replying to nottingham69, 2, #570 of 1936 🔗

Really? I look forward to seeing you present the evidence that proves your assertion.

284477 ▶▶▶▶ nottingham69, replying to Steve Hayes, -1, #571 of 1936 🔗

It is the CCP Nazis we are talking about. Complete gangsters and there is plenty leaked out from China. Steve Bannon was all over this before the BBC even reported on it. If the CCP wanted to keep this in Hubei they would have done, most of their country has been CCP virus free.

284500 ▶▶▶▶▶ Lockdown_Lunacy, replying to nottingham69, 6, #572 of 1936 🔗

I get that the CCP are not a force for good in the world, but even if true, it wouldn’t change the fact that the ‘CCP Virus’ is pretty inconsequential as far as viruses go.

Western nations have overreacted badly and I think getting our own house in order should be the priority. If our house was in order back in February, this website wouldn’t exist and the virus would have been largely ignored.

284530 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ nottingham69, replying to Lockdown_Lunacy, -1, #573 of 1936 🔗

Long given up getting our house in order with Johnson, Hancock, Van Tam, Gove and the rest running the show aided by the rancid BBC, stoking fear in the mentally weak. Cowardly as our government is and so are the rest in Europe, this virus is the CCP Virus. Voices who want to call them out I support. Even Trump has failed to do this enough.

284567 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Lockdown_Lunacy, replying to nottingham69, 2, #574 of 1936 🔗

Like I say I don’t think the CCP is a force for good, but unless we have our own house in order, any sabre rattling towards China would have to be done via people like Johnson and Hancock. Not that I want any sabre rattling, the most effective way to combat Chinese hegemony would be to stop self destructing.

Turning our attention to China at this moment would let our politicians off the hook by giving people a more distant enemy to unite against.

285663 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Lockdown_Lunacy, #575 of 1936 🔗

Take our eye off the ballsup in fact!

284518 ▶▶▶▶▶ Steve Hayes, replying to nottingham69, 3, #576 of 1936 🔗

Name calling is not evidence.

285944 ▶▶▶▶ JanMasarykMunich, replying to Steve Hayes, #577 of 1936 🔗

Not sure how reliable this is, but I think it is worth a read. Deals with US links to Wuhan Institute.
https://breggin.com/coronavirus/Final-Fauci-Treachery-Report-10.19.2020.pdf

284472 ▶▶▶ Saved To Death, replying to nottingham69, #578 of 1936 🔗

The CCP has been responsible for vast crimes against the people of China not to mention the rest of the world dating back to its inception. There is rather a lot they should not be let off the hook for.

In a way where we are now could be seen as the consequences of not just having turned a blind eye to this but having permitted ourselves to become wealthier by allowing our business to work with the CCP to exploit the people of China.

284562 ▶▶▶ Bill Grates, replying to nottingham69, 2, #579 of 1936 🔗

There are a whole slew of possible scenarios for the origins of the “virus” – that’s assuming one accepts it even exists in the form presented to us.
The murky background of US funding of pathogenic research which was shifted to China by Fauci & co during the obummer time. Stolen samples , dead Canadian scientists in Africa, espionage by Chinese scientists etc etc
What about the theory of deliberate release by US military personnel at the Wuhan games ?

One thing that never gets any coverage is the horrendous air quality in that area and also the enormous swine flu outbreak there also the incidence of virulent pneumonia diseases associated with farm workers connected with the pig processing industry there – who were the first supposed patients. The so called virus couldn’t be “isolated” in tests on all the patients, but that didn’t stop the Chinese officials declaring they’d found “it”. That forms the basis of all the identification procedures world wide.

One thing for sure , this “illness” has provided all sorts of governments with cover for all kinds of underhand activities against the unsuspecting populations.

284485 ▶▶ Jonathan Palmer, replying to Steve Hayes, 3, #580 of 1936 🔗

He has been very disappointing in all of this.He wrote a book about the madness of crowds.He then joins in the biggest frenzy in the history of mankind.

285979 ▶▶▶ JanMasarykMunich, replying to Jonathan Palmer, #581 of 1936 🔗

I think Murray slammed the second lockdown.

284545 ▶▶ Trixie, replying to Steve Hayes, 1, #582 of 1936 🔗

Murray, like Mark Steyn in the US, is primarily focused on culture, demographics and geo-politics. Covid provides them with a convenient stick to beat the Chinese with.

Whether or not the disease was deliberately released by the CCP, it would be naive to assume they haven’t sought to capitalise on it.

The first thing that made me scratch my head about Covid was when a medical doctor was sent from China to advise the Italians during the Lombardy crisis. He appeared on camera saying “You must shut down your economy”.

284921 ▶▶▶ Steve Hayes, replying to Trixie, 1, #583 of 1936 🔗

Do you have a reference for the Chinese doctor telling Italy to shut down its economy?

285884 ▶▶▶ richard riewer, replying to Trixie, #584 of 1936 🔗

How about the gay men who deliberately had sex with other men and didn’t tell them that they were infected?

284566 ▶▶ peter, replying to Steve Hayes, -2, #585 of 1936 🔗

Murray is singing from the same script as Toby – deflecting blame from his tory pals for promulgating the covid hoax. Dougie’s just another jew disinfo agent

284915 ▶▶▶ Nigel Sherratt, replying to peter, 3, #586 of 1936 🔗

You are Chris Williamson and I claim my £5.

284862 ▶▶ mjr, replying to Steve Hayes, 2, #587 of 1936 🔗

regardless of whether the release of a virus from China was deliberate or incompetent , and regardless of the attitude of the CCP to the rest of the world and whatever crimes against humanity at home and abroad they commit, the problems in the UK are totally down to the way covid and lockdown have been handled by, and the general incompetence of, this government and its associates

284978 ▶▶▶ Steve Hayes, replying to mjr, 3, #588 of 1936 🔗

regardless of whether the release of a virus from China was deliberate or incompetent

The “release of a virus from China” was inevitable given international travel. At the beginning of January the government’s scientific advisors advised the government against securing the borders: ie, they advised the government to allow the virus to be imported.

284419 John Galt, replying to John Galt, 14, #589 of 1936 🔗

Though incompetence isn’t the reason for why all of this is happening, nobody ever denied that the government were, in fact, incompetent. What we’re going to see over the coming months with this vaccine rollout is incompetence on a monumental scale. The joy of this is, it’s likely going to be so incompetent that even people who didn’t necessarily see anything wrong will start wondering what on earth is going on.

I’ve just been told that on the news someone said did the vaccine contain alcohol, because they were allergic to alcohol, so they were wondering if they’d be able to get the vaccine? The answer from the doctor was, they didn’t know, but they’ve contacted Pfizer and they’ll let them know within 5 days.

This type of story is just the tip of the iceberg and it’s barely even started yet!

284444 ▶▶ Julian, replying to John Galt, 5, #590 of 1936 🔗

I hope you are right

Sadly, the one area in which they have shown competence is in the spin, lies and propaganda department

284508 ▶▶ David Grimbleby, replying to John Galt, #591 of 1936 🔗

Has it got any animal ‘stuff’ in it ? as vegans would not have it.

284514 ▶▶ Bill Grates, replying to John Galt, 3, #592 of 1936 🔗

Absolutely correct.

It’s important to realise that none of this is meant to make any sense. The constantly weaving “narratives” are just buying time until the big moment – the Davos crowd appear in February like later day Moses with a bunch of new and improved commandments for the little people. The Great Reset tablets will be hailed as the only way forward , and the health crisis bogey man will be used to keep the masses under constant threat with a constant array of mystery pathogens circling the globe.

a good article here :-

https://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2020/12/reknowned_scientist_tells_laura_ingraham_the_covid19_vaccine_is_downright_dangerous_and_will_send_you_to_your_doom.html

284657 ▶▶ Ben, replying to John Galt, 4, #593 of 1936 🔗

It’s not incompetence. £600.000 pharma shares (Patrick Vallance) is not incompetence

284684 ▶▶▶ John Galt, replying to Ben, 2, #594 of 1936 🔗

…I know, which is the point I was making.

Though incompetence isn’t the reason for why all of this is happening

284422 Jay Berger, replying to Jay Berger, 10, #595 of 1936 🔗

“The vaccine is therefore credited with preventing 154 cases of COVID-19… or 95%. This implies that the entire trial of 44,000 people is deemed a success based on the potentially multi-variant outcome from less than 4% of those involved.”

Less than 0.4%!
Any new shampoo or lipstick needs to have had more people saying that it made a difference.

284644 ▶▶ thinkaboutit, replying to Jay Berger, 2, #596 of 1936 🔗

154 out of 40,000 cats preferred it.

284849 ▶▶▶ Ceriain, replying to thinkaboutit, 1, #597 of 1936 🔗

81% of 54 women agreed.

284423 clem, replying to clem, 4, #598 of 1936 🔗

Have I really read this right from the government info on the vaccine (
https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/940565/Information_for_Healthcare_Professionals_on_Pfizer_BioNTech_COVID-19_vaccine.pdf )

“There were no meaningful clinical differences in overall vaccine efficacy in participants who were at risk of severe COVID-19 disease including those with one or more comorbidities that increase the risk of severe COVID-19 disease (e.g. asthma, BMI ≥ 30 kg/m2, chronic pulmonary disease, diabetes mellitus, hypertension).”

I read this as, for those who would most benefit from a vaccine due to having underlying health conditions, it made no difference in outcome.

If this is the case, the vaccine may only have a positive benefit to those who aren’t at serious risk of covid anyway.

284429 ▶▶ Ceriain, replying to clem, 9, #599 of 1936 🔗

The simple truth is they haven’t really tested it properly at all.

284494 ▶▶▶ RickH, replying to Ceriain, 5, #600 of 1936 🔗

Yes – it’s wise to keep it simple, and the simple truth (if the normal testing regime has validity) is that there has been insufficient time to reasonably establish the safety and efficacy of these vaccines.

No ifs. No buts. It’s a simple fact.

Nothing in life is guaranteed – but this has ducked under the bar of reasonable precaution.

Conclusion (for me) : I certainly don’t want Covid-19 with my set of factors. But I have some control over my exposure to dangerous situations for a virus that now has a fairly low prevalence. I am certainly not cowering away from friends and family as a preventative measure – what’s the point of living death as pretended preservation of life?

AS to the vaccine – I only have control up to the point that I take it. After that, I’m in the hands of those who have made politically disastrous judgments, leading to this rushed (and therefore potentially unsafe) medicine. I don’t respond to scammers on the ‘phone who tell me lies – why would I follow government advice when they have perpetuated so many untruths.

So – two good reasons not to take the vaccine :

  • the flawed process of insufficient testing leading to approval
  • the character, objective record, and conflicted interests of the advocates.
284854 ▶▶▶▶ Ceriain, replying to RickH, 1, #601 of 1936 🔗

the simple truth (if the normal testing regime has validity) is that there has been insufficient time to reasonably establish the safety and efficacy of these vaccines.

Thank you, Rick. That’s exactly it.

284433 ▶▶ Charlie Blue, replying to clem, 4, #602 of 1936 🔗

I read it as the vaccine was equally effective whether comorbidities were present or not. So both groups benefit.

284528 ▶▶ Victoria, replying to clem, 2, #603 of 1936 🔗

so maybe not for the female population???

4.6 Fertility, pregnancy and lactation

Pregnancy
There are no or limited amount of data from the use of COVID-19 mRNA Vaccine BNT162b2. Animal reproductive toxicity studies have not been completed. COVID-19 mRNA Vaccine BNT162b2 is not recommended during pregnancy.
For women of childbearing age, pregnancy should be excluded before vaccination. In addition, women of childbearing age should be advised to avoid pregnancy for at least 2 months after their second dose.

Breast-feeding
It is unknown whether COVID-19 mRNA Vaccine BNT162b2 is excreted in human milk. A risk to the newborns/infants cannot be excluded. COVID-19 mRNA Vaccine BNT162b2 should not be used during breast-feeding.

Fertility
It is unknown whether COVID-19 mRNA Vaccine BNT162b2 has an impact on fertility.

285672 ▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to clem, #604 of 1936 🔗

That was made clear several weeks ago.

284425 Ceriain, replying to Ceriain, 10, #605 of 1936 🔗

Now we know.

284438 ▶▶ Bella Donna, replying to Ceriain, 3, #606 of 1936 🔗

😂 😂 😂

284443 ▶▶ G.Fawkes, replying to Ceriain, 5, #607 of 1936 🔗

Lol! Nice job.

It’s time to pack my towel, whip out my Sub-Etha Signaling Device, and hitchhike the fuck off this stupid planet. 🙂

284468 ▶▶▶ FenTyger, replying to G.Fawkes, 1, #608 of 1936 🔗

Can I read some poetry?

284506 ▶▶▶▶ G.Fawkes, replying to FenTyger, 2, #609 of 1936 🔗

Only if it’s about a lump of green putty you found in your armpit.

284520 ▶▶ Victoria, replying to Ceriain, 1, #610 of 1936 🔗

There goes our Aid contribution

284693 ▶▶ Alice, replying to Ceriain, 1, #611 of 1936 🔗

Et in arcadia…

285891 ▶▶ richard riewer, replying to Ceriain, #612 of 1936 🔗

Any green cheese?

284434 Bella Donna, replying to Bella Donna, 5, #613 of 1936 🔗

I really didn’t want to get out of bed this morning but I persevered. Madness is still prevalent I see, no change there and if they think a photo of Witless with the demonic eyebrows having a vaccine shot is going to make me want the vaccine they’re even madder than I thought. It was also noted both the vaccinator and Witless were maskless and she wasn’t wearing PPE either, which begs the question why? Well we all know why dont we?

284473 ▶▶ Arnie, replying to Bella Donna, 4, #614 of 1936 🔗

It was saline solution. Nothing to see here. I’m already gearing up for my EBay vaccine card…

284435 guy153, replying to guy153, 2, #615 of 1936 🔗

Very good thread here debunking the syncitin-1 myth:

https://twitter.com/andrew_croxford/status/1334593606196187136

Basically SARS-CoV-2 (and any other virus) has a similar amount in common with just about every protein in your body as it does with syncitin-1.

And as he points out, if the vaccine makes you infertile for this reason, so would a natural infection.

284465 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to guy153, 4, #616 of 1936 🔗

Which begs the question, have we any data on individuals who have had the Infection yet still conceived without issues for the baby?

I would say no or the data is extremely slim. So effectively we don’t know.

284775 ▶▶▶ guy153, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 1, #617 of 1936 🔗

http://www.scb.se/en/finding-statistics/statistics-by-subject-area/population/population-composition/population-statistics/pong/tables-and-graphs/monthly-statistics–the-whole-country/preliminary-population-statistics-by-month-2020/

It makes a pleasant change to be searching for birth rather than death rates but it looks like Sweden’s numbers are similar to last year. If Long Covid were causing infertility we would probably be seeing the effect.

284437 Andy C, replying to Andy C, 17, #618 of 1936 🔗

This morning, I braved Merry Hill. I’m usually not bothered by the occasional look of disgust or terror, but this took the biscuit. People look at you as if you intend to kill them there and then for the crime of not wearing a piece of fabric over your mouth that most probably does nothing to protect either yourself or them in the first place. It’s as if they look at me and see Ian Huntley or something like that. It doesn’t do much for my faith in human nature.

284470 ▶▶ Arnie, replying to Andy C, 11, #619 of 1936 🔗

You ARE human nature Andy. Those looking at you are FORMER human nature. Walk tall my friend, walk straight, you are the personification of what they desire the most.

Arnie.

284610 ▶▶▶ Andy C, replying to Arnie, 3, #620 of 1936 🔗

Thanks, Arnie. I needed to read something like that after this morning.

284655 ▶▶▶▶ Arnie, replying to Andy C, 4, #621 of 1936 🔗

You’re welcome Andy, we all need a kind word from time time. Keep your chin up my friend. Next time it might be me needing the kind words…

Arnie.

284834 ▶▶▶ Ceriain, replying to Arnie, 3, #622 of 1936 🔗

you are the personification of what they desire the most

That’s brilliant, Arnie. 👍🏻

Hope you and yours are doing well. 💖

284650 ▶▶ Ben, replying to Andy C, 1, #623 of 1936 🔗

You’re brave

284460 John Galt, replying to John Galt, 4, #624 of 1936 🔗

The below comment may make you either laugh or cry.

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284471 ▶▶ Charlie Blue, replying to John Galt, 4, #625 of 1936 🔗

Well, that’s a great insight into Ellie’s lifestyle. Sounds like she has a lot of fun. Though I’ve never been a great fan of kebab meat.

284475 ▶▶ leggy, replying to John Galt, 3, #626 of 1936 🔗

Does that mean I can just inject a kebab instead?

284476 ▶▶ steph, replying to John Galt, 9, #627 of 1936 🔗

Good God, the levels of stupid just make my head hurt sometimes. 🤯

284479 ▶▶ G.Fawkes, replying to John Galt, 4, #628 of 1936 🔗

Erudite. If that’s the calibre of the opposition, I might go and have a bubble bath.

284484 ▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to John Galt, 1, #629 of 1936 🔗

She doesn’t make sense. Ignore.

284491 ▶▶ Saved To Death, replying to John Galt, 3, #630 of 1936 🔗

When people are drinking, eating and smoking what the government tells them to when the government tells them because they think they will either die or kill someone if they don’t then maybe we could start to compare the situations.

284492 ▶▶ mjr, replying to John Galt, 3, #631 of 1936 🔗

sounds like a good Friday night

284498 ▶▶ Two-Six, replying to John Galt, #632 of 1936 🔗

Who is she?

284511 ▶▶ Achilles, replying to John Galt, 6, #633 of 1936 🔗

I can see a job for her in the BBC Fact Checker department if she’s not there already.

284512 ▶▶ calchas, replying to John Galt, 6, #634 of 1936 🔗

Spelling, style of expression says it all.

285892 ▶▶▶ richard riewer, replying to calchas, 1, #635 of 1936 🔗

That’s the New English.

284515 ▶▶ PastImperfect, replying to John Galt, 3, #636 of 1936 🔗

Once the vaccine gets into the bloodstream it remains there.

284521 ▶▶ Kev, replying to John Galt, 1, #637 of 1936 🔗

There’s nothing like a considered and measured response, and this is nothing like one! Deserves whatever she gets, she’s a moron.

284553 ▶▶▶ Kev, replying to Kev, 3, #638 of 1936 🔗

By the way, I do know whats in acohol, its ethanol and I choose to subject my body to it, I don’t smoke and don’t do drugs for similar reasons I don’t take vaccines I know nothing about and aren’t convinced of the alleged benefits. If I just want to reduce the symptoms I can take paracetemol or Ibuprofen which are well known.

285684 ▶▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Kev, #639 of 1936 🔗

But you put the ethanol into your digestive system – which incidentally bumps it straight off to the liver because it’s toxic.

An injection on the other hand bypasses the liver detoxing proces.

284525 ▶▶ TheOriginalBlackPudding, replying to John Galt, 5, #640 of 1936 🔗

If her brains were dynamite they wouldn’t part her hair.

284614 ▶▶▶ stefarm, replying to TheOriginalBlackPudding, #641 of 1936 🔗

Or blow her hat off

284534 ▶▶ Steve Hayes, replying to John Galt, 3, #642 of 1936 🔗

If she is frightened of the virus, she can take the vaccine (and if it is a vaccine, it confers immunity) and she will be immune and have nothing to fear regardless of how many or how few other people are vaccinated.

284535 ▶▶ KBuchanan, replying to John Galt, 6, #643 of 1936 🔗

Ar bless er she hav neva lernt ter spelt wordz proplee.

284540 ▶▶ Mabel Cow, replying to John Galt, 5, #644 of 1936 🔗

I’ve had the shits from a kebab, but to my knowledge I’ve not yet developed auto-immune disease from one.

284548 ▶▶ Old Normal, replying to John Galt, 1, #645 of 1936 🔗

I don’t drink, smoke, take drugs or eat meat. Does that mean I’m not a “fkn weapon”?

On another note, I wonder what the politicians and celebrities will say if there are bad side effects of the vaccine in the future and they’ve told people it’s safe?

284563 ▶▶▶ Kev, replying to Old Normal, 2, #646 of 1936 🔗

Its probably when, not if, and they will use some weasel words to suggest they said there were risks and they can;t be held responsible in any way. They can and they will.

284687 ▶▶▶▶ Alice, replying to Kev, 2, #647 of 1936 🔗

They’ll deny there’s any connection between the vaccine and the bad side effect – they’ll say there’s no proof.

284549 ▶▶ calchas, replying to John Galt, 5, #648 of 1936 🔗

Experience gathered:

Alcohol – thousands of years, billions of people

Tobacco – thousands of years, billions of people

Kebabs – thousands of years. billions of people

Vaccine – two months, about 40 000 people

285690 ▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to calchas, #649 of 1936 🔗

Alcohol, tobacco and mutton are all natural substances.
RNA vaccines definitely aren’t!

284577 ▶▶ RickH, replying to John Galt, 3, #650 of 1936 🔗

With that level of intelligence, she should be in the Cabinet.

285894 ▶▶▶ richard riewer, replying to RickH, #651 of 1936 🔗

Princess Nut Nuts double.

284596 ▶▶ Mike Collins, replying to John Galt, 3, #652 of 1936 🔗

I struggle to understand her argument, if she has the vaccine she’s ‘safe’, so why is she worried about me not having it?
The sheeple are truly terrified of anybody who can critically think this through. I said it to a colleague who was pressing for it to be ‘mandatory’ for work. The deafening silence on Teams made me think it had frozen yet again, then the boss asked does anybody else feel like Mike and the wave started, at least 6 of the 12 agreed with me. If the survey that says 20% of the adult population is not going to have it then shops/businesses will truly be ruined if they restrict or bar them, we just vote with our feet/cash and go elsewhere?

284598 ▶▶ vargas99, replying to John Galt, 1, #653 of 1936 🔗

I wonder if she’ll change her mind after she’s had 3 miscarriages?

284619 ▶▶ Ben, replying to John Galt, 5, #654 of 1936 🔗

She’s a regular Marcel Proust isn’t she

284626 ▶▶ Lockdown_Lunacy, replying to John Galt, 2, #655 of 1936 🔗

Ha, I’ve seen this kind of thing a lot.

I don’t know who these people are who think that everyone is smoking crack or taking ketamine at the weekend but they certainly inhabit a different, much seedier world than I do.

284634 ▶▶ thinkaboutit, replying to John Galt, 3, #656 of 1936 🔗

Perhaps too much masking rotted her brain. Along with her lifestyle.

284673 ▶▶ Alice, replying to John Galt, 1, #657 of 1936 🔗

I’m not on social media – could you tell Ellie on my behalf that I don’t drink, smoke, take drugs or eat meat. And I’m certainly not going to get vaccinated if I can help it.

284774 ▶▶ Ewan Duffy, replying to John Galt, 1, #658 of 1936 🔗

I don’t drink, smoke or do drugs and I have never had a kebab.

285897 ▶▶▶ richard riewer, replying to Ewan Duffy, 1, #659 of 1936 🔗

I drink, smoke, don’t do drugs and love kebabs.

284461 FenTyger, replying to FenTyger, 15, #660 of 1936 🔗

From the Telegraph today:

Forty years ago, the Canadian criminal psychologist Dr Robert Hare drew up an innovative checklist to determine whether or not a person is a psychopath. Among some 20 traits, he included pathological lying, glib and superficial charm, a grandiose estimation of self, juvenile delinquency, sexual promiscuity, criminal versatility and, of course, a lack of remorse.

That works for the government and Sage

284555 ▶▶ annie, replying to FenTyger, #661 of 1936 🔗

Wancock has superficial charm?

285693 ▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to annie, #662 of 1936 🔗

I don’t find him charming!

284556 ▶▶ steph, replying to FenTyger, 2, #663 of 1936 🔗

I did ask a while back if there are any psychologists on this forum. I suspected Hancock is a psychopath but it’s a very long way from my area of expertise. I’ve worked with some I am sure are; constantly smiling and smarming, saying black is white repeatedly and giving the general impression that as they want it to be true, then it really must be.
Any thoughts from the qualified?

284581 ▶▶ RickH, replying to FenTyger, #664 of 1936 🔗

It certainly reminds me of someone I’ve seen on tele recently …..

285931 ▶▶ richard riewer, replying to FenTyger, 1, #665 of 1936 🔗

Prime Minister Justin Trudeau of Canada.

284462 Elenesse, replying to Elenesse, 34, #666 of 1936 🔗

Just looking out of my window whilst working from home and seeing some of my good neighbours hugging each other. So nice to see in these times, that people are ignoring the ridiculous diktats of this government.

It’s the absolute truth that it’s the actions of ordinary people which count the most and I believe we will ultimately prevail over these charlatans that try to change human behaviour. We need to do our level best to maintain these important connections, it’s what makes us human.

284474 ▶▶ G.Fawkes, replying to Elenesse, 23, #667 of 1936 🔗

The pandemic only exists inside medialand. No TV, no internet, no newspapers, no problem.

284517 ▶▶▶ calchas, replying to G.Fawkes, 6, #668 of 1936 🔗

I agree – unfortunately the dictatorship exists in the real world.

284546 ▶▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to G.Fawkes, 3, #669 of 1936 🔗

It exists in peoples heads now because of that onslaught too. And they’ve taken it upon themselves to police it. See mask shaming, unsocial distancing, shaming businesses, vaccine champions.

They are never coming back from this. It’ll need something huge to break that brain fog.

284513 ▶▶ Kev, replying to Elenesse, 14, #670 of 1936 🔗

It all finishes when enough people decide it finishes, when Van Tam says we’ll be wearing masks for years he’s wrong, only those that choose to wear masks will be wearing them.

When thousands or millions decide to defy these edicts the police and courts will be overwhelmed if everyone challenges the fines. The Gandhi way!

We don’t just have a right to resist unfair laws, we have a civic duty to do so.

285934 ▶▶ richard riewer, replying to Elenesse, #671 of 1936 🔗

Need a nationwide hugfest.

284464 captainbeefheart, replying to captainbeefheart, 27, #672 of 1936 🔗

After being told to go forth and multiply a week or so ago, I decided to have some time off of the Internet and away from anything to do with C19 as much as possible. Instead, I thought I’d concentrate on getting ready for my daughter’s first Christmas.

Although it was impossible to not use the Internet for a week (because of work), I managed to avoid all MSM and only checked this page once a day just to scan the headlines. I also looked for things I wanted to buy people for xmas when shops opened up.

Ignoring the C19 hype was going really well until I found this Christmas decoration which reminded me of it…
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When I heard about the tier thing (we were in Tier 1 and like most people are now in Tier 2 – so that lockdown must have worked really well then) I was not surprised. As many of us suspect, they just want to destroy pubs. It’s been obvious for ages that the government hates people meeting up and talking like “normal” human beings.

My local has decided to do “bottomless stew” in order to stay open – bargain for £3, apart from that nothing else seems much different to before lockdown 2.0

A week without news seems to have made me happier – I might do this more often.

It is the Internet that is part of the problem…

284487 ▶▶ leggy, replying to captainbeefheart, 7, #673 of 1936 🔗

I agree. The internet keeps us distracted and prevents us from taking action. The bottomless stew is a great idea!

284495 ▶▶ calchas, replying to captainbeefheart, 2, #674 of 1936 🔗

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284499 ▶▶ Ed Phillips, replying to captainbeefheart, 2, #675 of 1936 🔗

Absolutely.

284501 ▶▶ Arnie, replying to captainbeefheart, 6, #676 of 1936 🔗

I hope you have the most wonderful Christmas with that little one Captain. Hold those memories that you make close to your heart.

Hugs & love to you and your family.

Arnie.

PS. Please don’t disappear too much, I enjoy your input, although your health and that of your family must always come first.

284532 ▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to captainbeefheart, 4, #677 of 1936 🔗

A wonderful post. Despite the horrors of the present, concentrate on creating memories for your family to cherish for the years and generations to come.

All the best to you and your family.

284537 ▶▶ calchas, replying to captainbeefheart, 5, #678 of 1936 🔗

After being told to ‘go forth and multiply’

I think anybody who wishes to multiply should do it while it is still possible.

284560 ▶▶ Ovis, replying to captainbeefheart, 6, #679 of 1936 🔗

That decoration is brilliant. Happy Covidmas!

Covidmas is believed to have taken the place of a pre-Covidian festival called Christmas, when the pre-Covidians would sacrifice a fat old man by beating him like a pinata. It was a cruel age. The time of ignorance, before Our Lord Covid showed us the way, is almost incomprehensible now. Hail Covid! Peace be upon Boris, the messenger of Covid!

284507 PastImperfect, replying to PastImperfect, 3, #680 of 1936 🔗

Joining the dots

284558 ▶▶ Arnie, replying to PastImperfect, 3, #681 of 1936 🔗

Always suspected something like this. Knew about the American link to Gain Of Function (GOF) stuff with Fauci, etc. What a rotten world we live in.

We are the heretics, and yet we are the pure ones. We are the ones that the fallen look up to, they desire to be like us yet hate us because they can’t be like us. They project their own self loathing onto others.

Britain has long been a country where success has been detested (in my experience) but this coronabollocks has taken this projected self hatred to another level.

The short term answer is to ignore all the rules, love and hug people, kiss your children hello & goodbye, walk straight without swerving, never wear a mask, smile at people and generally behave the same asti did last year.

Arnie.

285942 ▶▶▶ richard riewer, replying to Arnie, #682 of 1936 🔗

William Shakespeare and Henry Purcell. Beat that!

284594 ▶▶ assoc, replying to PastImperfect, 2, #683 of 1936 🔗

It isn’t true! For starters the lab belongs, of course, to the Chinese government

284524 Bart Simpson, 20, #684 of 1936 🔗

I’m doing most of my Christmas shopping online but last Wednesday had to go to certain shops to get small presents and spend a voucher that was about to expire.

The area along Oxford and Regent streets was filled with people but it was not the same scale as it was during previous Christmases. There were people buying stuff as well but again not at the same scale as it was from last year

The lights were on and there were loads of people taking photos, London was beautiful all lit up. However if you look closely the lights and decorations are hiding the reality that a lot of shops, pubs and restaurants have closed for good never to reopen.

And how many of these will even survive into the New Year?

Shame on the government and their advisers.

284529 Crazy Hoarse, replying to Crazy Hoarse, 11, #685 of 1936 🔗

Jesus Chreesus “The Tony Blair Institute for Global Change”. See also “The Joseph Stalin Institute for Omelettes”

284542 ▶▶ Arnie, replying to Crazy Hoarse, 1, #686 of 1936 🔗

The Arnie Smith college of Old Normal…

Arnie.

284552 ▶▶ annie, replying to Crazy Hoarse, 6, #687 of 1936 🔗

Break all the eggs. Shoot all the hens. Throw the eggs away. Put the
poultry farmers in a concentration camp. Imprison anybody wno points out that there aren’t any omelettes.

284541 Two-Six, replying to Two-Six, 3, #688 of 1936 🔗

Much as I hate to promote Arsebook, this is funny:
“Now That’s What I Call A Corona Christmas”
https://en-gb.facebook.com/theulsterfry/videos/180703533771949/

284557 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to Two-Six, 2, #689 of 1936 🔗

The guy behind that is a lockdown zealot too, as ironic as it is. Seems to have time to make funny videos about lockdowns while telling people we need more lockdown.

284813 ▶▶▶ Two-Six, replying to BeBopRockSteady, #690 of 1936 🔗

That’s interesting, that puts a different spin on it. Still, quite a funny tune.

284550 Victoria, replying to Victoria, 10, #691 of 1936 🔗

Swine flu hoax – narcolepsy the serious side effect of the swine flu vaccine. Article on how the government tried to stop vaccine injury payouts to the people that were disabled by this vaccine.

Ministers lose fight to stop payouts over swine flu jab narcolepsy cases
https://www.theguardian.com/science/2017/feb/09/ministers-lose-fight-to-stop-payouts-in-swine-flu-jab-narcolepsy-cases

284559 ▶▶ Ben, replying to Victoria, 5, #692 of 1936 🔗

Neil Ferguson a key player in that too

284568 ▶▶▶ calchas, replying to Ben, 5, #693 of 1936 🔗

Yes – but not the only one of that cast of characters making a repeat apperance,

284569 ▶▶ Kev, replying to Victoria, 2, #694 of 1936 🔗

And Gardisil, the vaccine for HPV, killed people so it was withdrawn, no doubt it went through rigorous double blind checks as well.

284597 ▶▶▶ Richard Pinch, replying to Kev, #695 of 1936 🔗

Gardasil was not withdrawn: it is still in use in the UK, for example. Out of 170 million doses, there have been something like 20 deaths.

284602 ▶▶▶▶ calchas, replying to Richard Pinch, #696 of 1936 🔗

Hold on, how many people have died within 28 days of taking Gardasil. Surely, that would be a more honest measure, if they were included in the stats,

284624 ▶▶▶▶▶ Richard Pinch, replying to calchas, #697 of 1936 🔗

The death rate for people in the relevant age bracket is about 400/million/year. So about 5000.

284741 ▶▶▶▶ Ben, replying to Richard Pinch, 3, #698 of 1936 🔗

All of this nightmare for Pharma sales. Is it too strong to say Big Pharma is a global terrorist organisation? We are being held to ransom for shareholders. Pfizer and Co own us

284782 ▶▶▶▶ Nigel Sherratt, replying to Richard Pinch, #699 of 1936 🔗

Confused with AZT?

284571 ▶▶ Darryl, replying to Victoria, 2, #700 of 1936 🔗

Won’t ever see articles like this published in the Guardian again, surprised it hasn’t been scrubbed from the archives yet.

284587 ▶▶ kh1485, replying to Victoria, #701 of 1936 🔗

Heard on the radio the other day that those given infected blood products back in the 80s are still waiting for reparation.

284616 ▶▶ mattghg, replying to Victoria, 3, #702 of 1936 🔗

It’s absolutely bizarre to encounter so many people who are incredulous at the idea that a hastily-developed vaccine could be dangerous, when that’s exactly what happened during the last ‘pandemic’ .

284554 Ben, replying to Ben, 11, #703 of 1936 🔗

TIERS = TEARS

In other news – Police have arrested and fined Romeo and Juliet for breaking Covid rules

284769 ▶▶ Nigel Sherratt, replying to Ben, 4, #704 of 1936 🔗

That which we call a rose By any other name would smell as sweet;
One symptom off the list anyway.

284565 Arnie, replying to Arnie, 21, #705 of 1936 🔗

We are the heretics, and yet we are the pure ones. We are the ones that the fallen look up to, they desire to be like us yet hate us because they can’t be like us. They project their own self loathing onto others.

Britain has long been a country where success has been detested (in my experience) but this coronabollocks has taken this projected self hatred to another level.

The short term answer is to ignore all the rules, love and hug people, kiss your children hello & goodbye, walk straight without swerving, never wear a mask, smile at people and generally behave the same as you did last year.

Arnie.

284595 ▶▶ Julian, replying to Arnie, 9, #706 of 1936 🔗

We’re not heretics. We advocate for what, until this year, had always been the orthodox pandemic response, as documented very clearly by the WHO. Never let this be forgotten or go unmentioned.

284670 ▶▶ mhcp, replying to Arnie, 3, #707 of 1936 🔗

It’s funny you say about success being detested. There’s also the ongoing myth of the elites being mostly aristocratic. But the reality is that something like over 90% of all millionaires and billionaires in the UK now are SELF MADE.

284707 ▶▶▶ Arnie, replying to mhcp, 2, #708 of 1936 🔗

I was self made until coronabollocks closed my business down. Then my business partner committed suicide…

I now owe 400 grand and am on the dole…

Still, things could be worse.

Arnie.

284570 BeBopRockSteady, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 5, #709 of 1936 🔗

Kids, outside, on their own. Saving lives. I give you the BBC

284572 ▶▶ Kev, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 20, #710 of 1936 🔗

Shame on the parents, child abuse.

284590 ▶▶▶ Julian, replying to Kev, 7, #711 of 1936 🔗

Shame on the BBC. They will no doubt have carefully searched for a picture of masked children. I am sure they are trying to choose masked faces when they can.

285140 ▶▶▶▶ stefarm, replying to Julian, #712 of 1936 🔗

Photoshopped

285719 ▶▶▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to stefarm, #713 of 1936 🔗

I’m inclined to agree. Blatant brainwashing!

284583 ▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 9, #714 of 1936 🔗

Jesus wept. I can only think of two words – child abuse.

284621 ▶▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to Bart Simpson, 1, #715 of 1936 🔗

I agree. Its truly awful.

284615 ▶▶ Ben, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 5, #716 of 1936 🔗

Child abuse. Breathing fresh air is essential to health

284863 ▶▶ Two-Six, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 3, #717 of 1936 🔗

The BBC is evil.

284574 Victoria, replying to Victoria, 9, #718 of 1936 🔗

Experts warn mRNA vaccines could cause irreversible genetic damage

Too many unknowns with rushed vaccines

Many experts have acknowledged that there are lots of unknown and unique risks involved in mRNA vaccines, including local and systemic inflammatory responses that may spur autoimmune conditions, cancer or organ damage. Another worry is the potential for mRNA vaccines to be maliciously deployed to trick a person’s body into attacking critical functions like cell repair, fertility and neurological function.

There’s also the fact that mRNA is extremely fragile, so some vaccines, such as the Pfizer vaccine, have to be kept at -70 degrees Celsius or the vaccine could spoil and be rendered ineffective – and those receiving the shots will really have no way of knowing if they were stored properly.

We also don’t know if people will be able to enjoy an immune response that offers enough protection from the disease; if it does, it is not clear how long any immunity would last. Individuals who get vaccinated may engage in risky behaviors because they believe they are immune when they might not actually be, and the results could be devastating.

Moreover, the genetic damage that such vaccines can cause would be irreversible and irreparable. Genetic defects simply cannot be removed from the body.

Dr. Wolfgang Wodarg, a German physician and epidemiologist, said: “In fact, this ‘promising vaccine’ for the vast majority of people should be FORBIDDEN, because it is genetic manipulation!”

https://www.naturalnews.com/2020-12-03-mrna-vaccines-genetic-damage.html

285722 ▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Victoria, #719 of 1936 🔗

Scary stuff!

284576 assoc, replying to assoc, 7, #720 of 1936 🔗

Has any official reason been given for NHS staff no longer being first in line for the jabs?

284593 ▶▶ calchas, replying to assoc, 15, #721 of 1936 🔗

Too many of them are booked out for dancing performances.

Seriously, it could mean that they are having trouble getting enough of them to volunteer and don’t want a PR disaster.

284601 ▶▶▶ leggy, replying to calchas, 3, #722 of 1936 🔗

That was my thought too. I expect many of them as well as having a sense of self preservation remember Pandremix.

284604 ▶▶▶ Arnie, replying to calchas, 7, #723 of 1936 🔗

A study last week said 40% would refuse a vaccine, sorry I haven’t got the link but that was a poll of NHS staff. Bet the numbers are much higher now because the individuals are suddenly realising that it’s THEIR body that is on the line for this largely untested, totally new technology, vaccine.

Arnie.

285726 ▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to calchas, 1, #724 of 1936 🔗

That seemed to be the overall conclusion BTL in the press.

284618 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to assoc, 8, #725 of 1936 🔗

It’s to do with stock not being enough and the fact many will develop symptoms.

Also, because it is being administered by people who have never done this kind of thing before, on their own colleagues and for which they can be personally liable for any adverse effects, I’d suspect there is huge pushback behind the scenes.

284631 ▶▶▶ Lili, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 12, #726 of 1936 🔗

Exactly. Having worked in public services (not that any of them serve the public these days) I can guarantee that the pushback will be enormous, plus the fact that – from what I’m reading – testing, even if you’ve had the vaccine, will still be happening so of course those who’ve had the vaccine will test positive after having it! Unless they want practically all their staff off at once, they simply can’t vaccinate them. Bloody idiots!

284706 ▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to assoc, 4, #727 of 1936 🔗

Suspect its to do with majority of them don’t want it and the fact that given they’re already sitting on top of one massive PR disaster, they don’t want another one.

284804 ▶▶ Ceriain, replying to assoc, 3, #728 of 1936 🔗

I suspect, as I mentioned in a post a few days ago, that the NHS or the Gov have carried out ‘private’ polling and found massive pushback from the staff.

There are a huge numbers of consultants working in certain ‘specialties’ who will not touch this vaccine with a bargepole.

284809 ▶▶ Jonathan Palmer, replying to assoc, 3, #729 of 1936 🔗

Official reason is there a supply problem.
The real reason is that NHS staff are aware of the dangers of a hastily tested vaccine.

284580 BeBopRockSteady, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 9, #730 of 1936 🔗

If anyone watched the excellent Owen Jones v Peter Hitchens conversation, you’ll have seen the heated enough debate on whether lockdowns work or not, you’ll have seen Jones was adamant locking down earlier would have been the way to go. Hitchens spot on by saying its can kicking exercise. It’s worth the time, even just skipping the history chat to the lockdown section.

Well, this debate couldn’t be more demonstrated by this single graph. Jones is a bert.

284612 ▶▶ Ben, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 1, #731 of 1936 🔗

What if it’s not about health?

284709 ▶▶ Chicot, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 3, #732 of 1936 🔗

Hitchens was excellent, Owen Jones (unsuprisingly) was not. His views seemed to be unfiltered government propaganda with little evidence of independent thought or research. He started with the premise that lockdowns work when there is virtually no evidence that there is. He made the stupid, lazy assertion that there are huge numbers of people still susceptible due to antibody testing (no mention of T-cell immunity) and he repeated the inane point about the UK having the “highest death toll in Europe”. You equally could say that the UK had a higher number of deaths than the Vatican City and Andorra and it would be correct but mean very little. When you adjust for population, Belgium, Spain and Italy all have higher death tolls than we do.

284802 ▶▶ Jonathan Palmer, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 2, #733 of 1936 🔗

The doublethink of the left is incredible.Lockdowns are harmful but we should have more and earlier.
I thought Hitchens let him off the hook with the 80,000 deaths and as for locking down earlier.Belgium,Spain France how they getting on.
How is Owen Jones allowed to pontificate when Hitchens had to gently explain the reason why our economic contraction is so bad.
We are predominately a service economy and these are precisely the sectors that have been closed

285432 ▶▶▶ Borisbullshit, replying to Jonathan Palmer, 2, #734 of 1936 🔗

Isnt it strange that Owen Jones is promoting the Tory government line and Hitchens,a conservative, is rubbishing it. Politics is certainly odd these days.

284582 Simon, replying to Simon, 9, #735 of 1936 🔗

Had a thought.

Remember the scandal of people being paid to take driving tests for those that couldn’t or wouldn’t?

This vaccine could generate a nice income for someone willing to have top up doses. Or more worryingly, organised crime pushing their trafficked people to get stabbed with it.

284589 ▶▶ Arnie, replying to Simon, 15, #736 of 1936 🔗

Or a black market of vaccination cards… Or private doctors going through the motions of vaccinating people but not actually injecting…

The people making the rules had better watch out, here come the unintended consequences…

Fuk ’em, it’s their catastrophe let them own it. I will help them in their downfall in any way I can.

Arnie.

284647 ▶▶▶ Simon, replying to Arnie, 7, #737 of 1936 🔗

This whole thing will unravel in disaster as the government has been running it.

This has the potential to bring down governments all over the world.

I do think that the fallout from people feeling incredibly ill from the vaccine will make the headline news. Many, many more people than would even notice C19 are going to be in pain, and maybe a lot of it. Fatigue etc…

The sort that are hiding behind the sofa are likely to be weak of mind and body, so will scream, on social media, how bad they are etc….

284671 ▶▶▶▶ Arnie, replying to Simon, 6, #738 of 1936 🔗

Simon, I don’t wish harm on anybody normally. But these are not normal times. It would seem that the only thing that is going to open the sheeps eyes is pain and harm. In these abnormal times I think that this is what is going to be necessary. Shame on them for not having a little critical thought before the pain and harm arrives on them.

So now we sit back whilst show begins…

Arnie.

284883 ▶▶▶ Two-Six, replying to Arnie, 6, #739 of 1936 🔗

The doctor giggled, “I know, I have a terrible aim, I missed you arm that time as well. That will be £250 please, scan that QR code on your way out, I will do the rest”. Bloop, “send in the next one Miss Facemask”

284584 calchas, replying to calchas, 9, #740 of 1936 🔗

“The vaccine is therefore credited with preventing 154 cases of COVID-19… or 95%. This implies that the entire trial of 44,000 people is deemed a success based on the potentially multi-variant outcome from less than 4% of those involved.”

“THe vaccine is therefore credited with reducing the number of positive PCR results…”

Corrected!

Next bullshit please.

284591 ▶▶ Tom Blackburn, replying to calchas, 5, #741 of 1936 🔗

Lies upon lies. That’s why I want them to hurry up and roll it out. Then we will see who the crackpots are.

284585 Teebs, replying to Teebs, 28, #742 of 1936 🔗

As I have always thought: pursuit of a vaccine for a virus that is largely harmless for over 99% of the population is primarily for the purpose of rescuing those politicians who created a social-economic disaster. They hope a vaccine will get them an exit from the mess they made, without them having to admit that any of the catastrophic decisions and policies they took were ever wrong, and without having to retreat. They are seeking [false] vindication, not public health.

That 99%-plus of the population already have a “vaccine”. It is called: a healthy immune system; that can rebuff coronavirus just like it can deal with so many other things. Two people in my household got it. A total non-event.

284606 ▶▶ Ben, replying to Teebs, 8, #743 of 1936 🔗

It’s a global coup led by (anyone’s guess – WEF, Pharma, the banks, Bill Gates?). Every country is occupied. The destruction of the economy seems to be part of the Great Reset

284630 ▶▶▶ Crystal Decanter, replying to Ben, 4, #744 of 1936 🔗

Deja-flu ??

284733 ▶▶▶▶ Ben, replying to Crystal Decanter, 4, #745 of 1936 🔗

Flu d’etat

284886 ▶▶▶▶▶ Two-Six, replying to Ben, #746 of 1936 🔗

The Internet Woo Woo Flu

285960 ▶▶▶▶ richard riewer, replying to Crystal Decanter, #747 of 1936 🔗

All over again.

284646 ▶▶ Margaret, replying to Teebs, 5, #748 of 1936 🔗

Absolutely Teebs. I told my MP, in our ‘phone conversation a couple of weeks ago, that all of this was arse covering on a massive scale.

285958 ▶▶ richard riewer, replying to Teebs, #749 of 1936 🔗

But a very costly non-event.

284588 Tom Blackburn, 3, #750 of 1936 🔗

How long until the vaccination i̶n̶j̶u̶r̶i̶e̶s̶ programmes start in earnest then?

284628 ▶▶ calchas, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 6, #752 of 1936 🔗

Michael Levitt,

” Since 10 July 2020, Sweden Reported 573 COVID19 Deaths and 103,939 Confirmed Cases. In that same period officially reported all-cause excess death in Sweden DROPPED by 519 to 3,640 Looks like lots of cases but no excess death. Can anyone explain this?”

Yes, it means covid isn’t killing anyone.

284788 ▶▶ Ceriain, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 1, #753 of 1936 🔗

Thanks, BBRS.

The whole scam is outed when you look at the all cause figures and the excess death figures. Euromomo numbers show next to nothing out of the ordinary happening since the ‘first wave’. I just wish more people could see this.

284605 BeBopRockSteady, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 27, #754 of 1936 🔗

Mexico: López Obrador says pandemic lockdowns are the tactic of dictators
‘The fundamental thing is to guarantee liberty,’ says Mexican president when asked why he almost never wears a mask

https://amp.theguardian.com/world/2020/dec/02/mexico-lopez-obrador-pandemic-lockdowns-dictatorship?__twitter_impression=true

This is what we need more of.

284697 ▶▶ leggy, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 5, #755 of 1936 🔗

I had no idea Mexico was a no lockdown state. Good to know. I wonder if people will start crossing the Rio Grande in the other direction soon.

284699 ▶▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to leggy, 2, #756 of 1936 🔗

They’ve been hit hard economically. A lot of poverty

284785 ▶▶▶▶ Jonathan Palmer, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 3, #757 of 1936 🔗

They locked down for Swine flu years ago and it caused massive economic damage.Once bitten

284882 ▶▶▶ DRW, replying to leggy, 2, #758 of 1936 🔗

Me neither. Wonder how the zealots will explain everyone not dying there.

284607 Freecumbria, replying to Freecumbria, 13, #759 of 1936 🔗

Latest ONS Coronavirus (Covid-19) Infection Survey out

The estimated number of new SARS-C0V-2 positive test results per 10,000 people in England (what they call ‘infections’) has fallen in a big way.

https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunity/healthandsocialcare/conditionsanddiseases/bulletins/coronaviruscovid19infectionsurveypilot/latest

During the most recent week (22 to 28 November 2020), we estimate there were 4.71 new COVID-19 infections for every 10,000 people per day (95% credible interval: 4.09 to 5.40) in the community population in England, equating to around 25,700 new cases per day (95% credible interval: 22,300 to 29,400); the incidence rate has decreased in recent weeks

The equivalent recent history from figures reported in previous reports has been

22nd to 28th November: 4.71
15th to 21st November: Not available due to lab data issues
8th to 14th November 2020:  7.14
31st October to 6th November:  8.75
25th to 31st October: 8.38
17th to 23rd October: 9.52
10th to 16th October: 6.46
2nd to 8th October: 5.11
25th September to 1st October: 3.16

Probably explains why they didn’t release a figure last week as a big fall prior to the vote would have been embarrassing. Or is that just me being cynical

284611 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to Freecumbria, 5, #760 of 1936 🔗

Of course. They are all playing for time.

284627 ▶▶ Freecumbria, replying to Freecumbria, 2, #761 of 1936 🔗

Regional prevalence here. Falling in every region (although they claim not in the North East)

284639 ▶▶▶ Alice, replying to Freecumbria, 4, #762 of 1936 🔗

I’ve just seen a warning (Daily Mail) that London could be in Tier 3 before Christmas! Hardly worth opening anything, isn’t it?

284759 ▶▶▶▶ Dave Angel Eco Warrier, replying to Alice, 3, #763 of 1936 🔗

Bear in mind the Daily Mail warns about everything so as to cover all bases.

285756 ▶▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Alice, #764 of 1936 🔗

Grad too! They’ve gone lockdown crazy!

286064 ▶▶▶▶ DomW, replying to Alice, #765 of 1936 🔗

I’m in tier “don’t know and don’t give a fuck”

284632 ▶▶ Freecumbria, replying to Freecumbria, 5, #766 of 1936 🔗

And prevalence still steadily falling in the most important age group, the over 70s

284633 ▶▶ Will, replying to Freecumbria, 4, #767 of 1936 🔗

And the death statistics, much as they exaggerate the actual deaths from Covid by a factor of probably ten, show clearly that the trend is down this week, putting the peak last week, four weeks after the ONS peak of the week ending the 23rd October. And who says maths is only sexy when Rachel Riley is doing it…

284694 ▶▶▶ Freecumbria, replying to Will, 1, #768 of 1936 🔗

So ONS survey, zoe and death statistics all line up to show that new positive tests were falling before the second lockdown in England.

284710 ▶▶▶ Freecumbria, replying to Will, 2, #769 of 1936 🔗

And in relation to the deaths exaggeration:

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7377982/

Changes in the hospital admission profile of COVID-19 positive patients at a central London trust

This shows that hospital admissions with acute covid symptoms were a very small percentage of total hospital positives already by May.

https://blogs.gov.scot/statistics/2020/09/15/counting-people-in-hospital-with-covid-19/

And this Scottish audit shows the same sort of thing later in the year

284649 ▶▶ Freecumbria, replying to Freecumbria, 1, #770 of 1936 🔗

The sub regional analysis is available in the interactive tool in section 4 (figure 6).

For example in Cumbria ONS measured prevalence at 0.3% is around the lowest in England.

285761 ▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Freecumbria, #771 of 1936 🔗

Great! Guess who lives in the black bit?!

284613 Binra, 3, #772 of 1936 🔗

I start with reference to France, Raoul and HCQ etc
HCQ protocols address a zinc deficiency not a novel and unique virus caused disease, but for anyone who believes that THEY hold an effective CURE that is being DENIED by vested interests is a prime time candidate for worshipping the disease that sets them in such a role by dramatic contrast.

Active Vit D can also be given such merit – along with various other protocols. There are some in the nutrition world who see ‘covid’ as the opportunity to bring nutritive approaches to public recognition and therefore invest in the ‘One virus to rule them all’ narrative.
But underlying understanding of toxicity and deficiency that accumulate to become what we call weakened ‘immune system’ or susceptibility to ‘catch’ or develop disease, points to symptoms as the body’s defence in action and not as the disease itself.

The importance of naming or defining as a narrative framework through which findings, perceptions and data are then framed and fitted into cannot be overestimated.
To a narrative manipulation – Everything is a ‘social construct’ and thus a leverage for agenda framed and fitted to personal or private (masked) agenda. It is quite possible to mask our own ‘conspirational support’ for a lie – as this posts starts out showing, For each sees only what they want to see from an unconscious bias that operates as perceived self interest, resulting from acquired conditioning and learned adaptation.

If everything WERE – for the sake of argument – a social construct, then I suggest we are no longer talking of Reality representing or reflecting truth, but of mapping and modelling of a mind or mental construct through which we engage in the human world of meanings, overlaid upon a matrix of support for the experience of such a co-creation.
That this underlying whole is un-definable is implicit in science as a model, that never can become the reality itself – but is nonetheless invested and identifed in as IF it is Reality Itself, leading to competing definitions and narrative identities set in ‘power struggle’ for WHO gets to tell reality what it is. Or at least run as the gatekeeper and kingmaker of funded and supported perceptions.

Truth does not change. Nor is truth static.
Because there is none IN the construct – but only as resonant alignment of a true relation.
Neither pyschopathogen nor holy cure is IN the construct of the world, but through a true relational alignment are the balance points regained that constitute a true governance.
While each identity operates a polarised insistence from a presumption of moral necessity, the whole is actively denied a true voice or witness.
The breakdown of communication is the direct result of the attempt to weaponise and leverage thought and word and its results, to support an identifiction that can be summarised as :
“I Want It Thus!”
In a 3 year old a tantrum may seek monopoly, but lack the means to effect it.
That we mostly learn different strategies does not in itself mean we truly recognise the rights,needs and life of others.
A psychopathy learns to mask in social constructs as the way to get…
…This post continues on

https://willingness-to-listen.blogspot.com/2020/12/invested-illusions-masking-over-truth.html

284623 TyRade, 7, #773 of 1936 🔗

“Apart from the plea for more mask-wearing, it is a sane analysis” sounds like Peter Cook reacting to Dudley Moore, a ‘unidexter’, applying for the role of Tarzan: “I’ve got nothing against your right leg…The trouble is — neither have you.”

284625 Jo, replying to Jo, 7, #774 of 1936 🔗

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24% of staff/patients remained PCR-positive at ≥6 weeks post-diagnosis. in study at Oxford main hospital
http:// ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/P … but infectious potential declines after day 8 even among cases with ongoing high viral loads.

If not already posted….(the link doesn’t work, but think most of us trust Carl to speak the truth)

284716 ▶▶ mattghg, replying to Jo, 2, #775 of 1936 🔗
284629 mhcp, replying to mhcp, 16, #776 of 1936 🔗

For those thinking, well the vaccine looks to be safe even though it hasn’t been tested and effects monitored long enough, all I can say is there is a reason why it takes time. And to short cut that is to increase risk beyond what would be deemed reasonable.

The 737 MAX upgrade was rushed into service. The solid rocket boosters by Thiokol were rushed into production. Thalidomide was also rushed.

We aren’t going to catch all risk. In fact it’s better to build contingency. But a part of that contigency is recognising things take time and act accordingly.

Act in Haste, Repent in Leisure

284651 ▶▶ Andrew K, replying to mhcp, 7, #777 of 1936 🔗

Why are we even debated about a rushed vaccine designed to make a lot of people richer. This virus is over, it can be treated with hydroxychloroquine with zinc vitamins C & D (Remeber the study they did to disprove hydroxychloroquine was to overdose the patient). The virus that basically kills those on their last legs. We need to work harder to remove fear and compliance from the brain dead populous although many of them don’t deserve to be saved but for the unfortunate thing they will take me down with them. Break the divide and conquer technique they’ve employed.

284686 ▶▶▶ mhcp, replying to Andrew K, 4, #778 of 1936 🔗

We’re debating it because it is news and it will affect people. But I agree the real virus is fear. No semblence of sense is apparent in the herd. I mean, people are starting to believe that all the “measures” have somehow dramatically reduced flu cases.

Not that they just aren’t being recorded as flu anymore.

284776 ▶▶▶ awildgoose, replying to Andrew K, 1, #779 of 1936 🔗

The Soviet media gaslighting of HCQ has been absolutely sickening.

I know what Trump was trying to do, but we might not be here if he had used a bit of rhetorical jiu-jitsu and soft-peddled HCQ a bit.

Calling it a, “game-changer, ” was the equivalent of throwing a calf into the sea for a swarm of tiger sharks.

284705 ▶▶ Nigel Sherratt, replying to mhcp, 1, #780 of 1936 🔗

Empire State building erected at 4/5 stories per week. GWR final conversion from broad to standard gauge completed over a weekend. PPP(P)PP.

284730 ▶▶▶ mhcp, replying to Nigel Sherratt, 2, #781 of 1936 🔗

True there are exceptions. But how many buildings are built that quickly that aren’t in China and then have to be demolished 8 years later.

For vaccines, it’s 5 to 10 years. Saying it is 4 months?

284755 ▶▶▶▶ Nigel Sherratt, replying to mhcp, 1, #782 of 1936 🔗

Agree, hence PPP(P)PP.

284828 ▶▶▶▶▶ BJJ, replying to Nigel Sherratt, #783 of 1936 🔗

What is PPP(P)PP?

284766 ▶▶ awildgoose, replying to mhcp, 1, #784 of 1936 🔗

737 MAX flights resume in the US on December 29.

Anyone want to bet on the date of the next crash?

284805 ▶▶▶ BJJ, replying to awildgoose, 2, #785 of 1936 🔗

You have to have a vaccine to be allowed on board.

285451 ▶▶▶ Ben, replying to awildgoose, 1, #786 of 1936 🔗

If another one crashes all deaths will be labelled Covid deaths.

284637 MiriamW-sometimes-AlanG, replying to MiriamW-sometimes-AlanG, 13, #787 of 1936 🔗

NHS England’s draft covid-19 vaccine deployment programme produced on 13 November (…) relies on a range of assumptions including that there will be 75 per cent takeup, outside of residential settings like care homes and prisons, where 100 per cent is expected .   (Health Service Journal 20 November) (my emphasis)

Does this imply that residents/staff in care homes and prisoners have forfeited their rights to informed consent to invasive experimental medication?

No studies have been done on interactions between this new vaccine and other medications. It is safe to assume that most residents of care homes, at least, will already be on a cocktail of medications. NHS England clearly believes it has a massive colony of guinea pigs to hand….

As for prisoners, NHS England would not be the first national authority in history to want to avail itself of the possibilities for medical experimentation would it? Volksgemeineschaft.
What’s not to like?
AG

284679 ▶▶ Will, replying to MiriamW-sometimes-AlanG, 4, #788 of 1936 🔗

I suspect the covid vaccine, like the flu vaccine will be non negotiable for care home residents and, disgracefully, probably their carers as well, the poor blighters.

284640 Ben, replying to Ben, 5, #789 of 1936 🔗

Depressing if true. Is the T4 Recovery campaign a pantomime designed to offer false hope whilst ‘the agenda’ is ushered in? Are blue ticks complicit?
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284645 ▶▶ Lockdown_Lunacy, replying to Ben, 4, #790 of 1936 🔗

What is she basing this statement about Sir Desmond on? Just saying that doesn’t make it so.

284786 ▶▶▶ Jonathan Smith, replying to Lockdown_Lunacy, 4, #791 of 1936 🔗

You could equally say that Lara Crabb is here to see division and on and on blah blah blah…

284846 ▶▶▶▶ Alan P, replying to Jonathan Smith, 1, #792 of 1936 🔗

Who is she? I’ve honestly never heard of her.

284656 ▶▶ calchas, replying to Ben, 6, #793 of 1936 🔗

In his Commons speech Swayne referred to the fatality rate, as ‘verging on 1%.’

Prof Ioanniddis and the WHO now agree on 0.14%

So Swayne exaggerated the rate by a factor of 7.

1% is actually a pretty high mortality rate.

284661 ▶▶▶ Charlie Blue, replying to calchas, 4, #794 of 1936 🔗

I saw that and he stumbled over it – think he just couldn’t call to mind the specific figure in the heat of the moment.

284677 ▶▶▶▶ calchas, replying to Charlie Blue, #795 of 1936 🔗

Well, perhaps that’s true.

284662 ▶▶▶ Lockdown_Lunacy, replying to calchas, 1, #796 of 1936 🔗

He did, but he has also referred to it as being lower. Why does that make this Twitter post true?

284674 ▶▶▶▶ calchas, replying to Lockdown_Lunacy, 3, #797 of 1936 🔗

I am not necessarily saying it is.

We should however be wary of our own wish to have ‘somebody up there on our side’

…and let’s be clear about this.

If we take away the ‘deaths with’, then we are left with a microscopic rate.

A real 100% dissenter in my view would not be accepting – although minimising – official statistics. He would be challenging the very validity of those fabricated statistics.

284690 ▶▶▶▶▶ Lockdown_Lunacy, replying to calchas, 2, #798 of 1936 🔗

I agree with you regarding the statistics, I don’t trust them.

But politics is a game that can’t necessarily be won by going in all guns blazing all of the time, and we should also be careful not to validate baseless statements about people.

That Twitter post is saying with certainty that Sir Desmond is some form of controlled opposition. It’s like a mirror image of a statement that a lockdown zealot would make, so much certainty with such little evidence.

284700 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ calchas, replying to Lockdown_Lunacy, 4, #799 of 1936 🔗

I watched the speech again. It is probably the best we can hope for from an established figure. Apart from the percentage figure he was pretty good.

No, I don’t think he is controlled opposition. I think though that Sir Desmond knows ‘how far he can go’.

284793 ▶▶▶▶▶ Jonathan Smith, replying to calchas, 3, #800 of 1936 🔗

Perhaps you could helpfully give us a list of what 100% dissenters are supposed to think? Wonder how many of are pure enough to count?

284669 ▶▶▶ Will, replying to calchas, 1, #801 of 1936 🔗

He meant 0.1%, you can tell that by the emphasis he gave the figure.

284701 ▶▶▶▶ calchas, replying to Will, #802 of 1936 🔗

Well, perhaps he did.

His speech was pretty good apart from that.

284736 ▶▶▶ Mayo, replying to calchas, -5, #803 of 1936 🔗

Prof Ioanniddis and the WHO now agree on 0.14%

I’d be interested to know how Ioannidis arrives at this figure. Belgium has already exceeded 0.14% of the WHOLE population. Peru and several other countries including the UK and US are either above 0,1% or are getting very close to it.

It’s higher than 0.14%.

284744 ▶▶▶▶ Jonathan Palmer, replying to Mayo, 4, #804 of 1936 🔗

To arrive at that figure you would have to take at face value government statistics;which are fundamentally flawed.
Belgium like our government labelled everything and everyone Covid.
We will never know the true death rates because of the corruption of death reporting that has occurred.

284748 ▶▶▶▶▶ Mayo, replying to Jonathan Palmer, -5, #805 of 1936 🔗

So what is Ionnadis using?

Does he have a separate, independent source of data which no-one else is aware of?

284761 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Jonathan Palmer, replying to Mayo, 5, #806 of 1936 🔗

I don’t know but the figures are so corrupted to be meaningless,that is fact.

284770 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ calchas, replying to Jonathan Palmer, #807 of 1936 🔗

Fabricated deaths

Fabricated ‘cases’

F……… illness ?

284789 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Mayo, replying to calchas, -6, #808 of 1936 🔗

Don’t be ridiculous.

There have been cases & deaths. We have significant excess mortality in the UK most of which was built up between the end of March and early May.

I’m happy to oppose lockdown and most other interventions for the right reasons but I’m sick of this conspiratorial nonsense.

284797 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Jonathan Smith, replying to Mayo, -4, #809 of 1936 🔗

Upvoted. Here here.

284798 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ calchas, replying to Mayo, 4, #810 of 1936 🔗

Effect of lockdown, tens of thousands of people discharged from hospitals. disruption of normal societal functioning accounts for pretty much all of it in my opinion.

Look at Germany – no excess deaths in 2020

284852 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Mayo, replying to calchas, -5, #811 of 1936 🔗

It can’t account for the immediate spike in Mar-May. It’s too soon. A small proportion maybe but the majority of the 50k+ deaths were Covid related.

If they weren’t then we’d have seen a big decline in the mortality rate in June-Sep.

285391 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ MiriamW-sometimes-AlanG, replying to Mayo, #812 of 1936 🔗

Covid related in that most of them ‘maybe’ were actually lockdown related. Inasmuch as the lockdown was Covid related of course.
AG

284803 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ calchas, replying to Mayo, 3, #813 of 1936 🔗

What conspiratorial nonsense?

284835 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Jonathan Palmer, replying to Mayo, 9, #814 of 1936 🔗

Excess mortality has been shown only to have happened once lockdown was instituted.
Care home killing grounds,people dying of heart attacks at home.Strokes untreated.
I believe it’s a real virus,it’s just that it’s been weaponised by the government for nefarious aims.

284842 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Mayo, replying to Jonathan Palmer, -4, #815 of 1936 🔗

No. The deaths between March & May were baked in. The lockdown began on March 23rd. The excess was in the following 6 weeks. Some collateral deaths probably have occurred but the full extent will only become evident over a much longer time period.

284878 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Alan P, replying to Mayo, #816 of 1936 🔗

I agree with your numbers for March and April, however I think what people are trying to say is were they classified correct i.e. with or from Covid plus relying on a diagnosis given without GP supervision or even a specious PCR test. I don’t think we’ll ever really know for a long while until all the emotion and hysteria become water under the bridge.

284928 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to Mayo, 3, #817 of 1936 🔗

The form for registering deaths in Care Homes was changed to include COVID, after that point COVID deaths sky rocketed. This is from the ONS about the change to the CQC form:

“The information notified to CQC includes the date of death, place of death, and (from 10 April) whether the death was a result of confirmed or suspected coronavirus (COVID-19).”

284780 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Mayo, replying to Jonathan Palmer, -2, #818 of 1936 🔗

It is not fact. They are not “corrupted ” to the extent you imagine.

There was an undeniable mortality spike in the Spring. The excess death toll for a 6 week period during March & May was over 50k. That can only be explained by a major flu outbreak or similar.

284808 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ calchas, replying to Mayo, 5, #819 of 1936 🔗

Did you notice tens of thousands of people expelled from hospital`?

They weren’t there for fun you know.

284819 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Charlie Blue, replying to Mayo, 4, #820 of 1936 🔗

I don’t think everything is fabricated either – just wildly inaccurate.

However, I wonder if would you expect a mortality spike in part because all the frail elderly in care homes were locked up with no access to medical treatment (other than an end-of-life regimen in some cases), assumed to be suffering from Covid-19? I’m sure many of them did have the virus, but would they have died when they did with usual medical care for their other complaints? We’ll never know, not least because every last one of them went down as a covid death.

284823 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ calchas, replying to Charlie Blue, 6, #821 of 1936 🔗

They are not inaccurate in a random way.

They are inaccurate in a systematic way.

To exaggerate them as much as possible in the most alarmist way.

That is why I call the figures fabricated.

There has been a deliberate, purposeful attempt to make the figures as alarming as possible.

284857 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Mayo, replying to Charlie Blue, -3, #822 of 1936 🔗

However, I wonder if would you expect a mortality spike in part because all the frail elderly in care homes

Yes – but that doesn’t mean they’re not Covid deaths.

284837 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Jonathan Palmer, replying to Mayo, 7, #823 of 1936 🔗

44% of deaths in care homes where normal medical care was denied.DNR orders.Heart attack and stroke victims dying at home.Cancer victims chemo being stopped mid treatment.Missed early diagnosis of cancer.All these reasons would account for most of the excess deaths this year.

284909 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ John Stitch non stop dancer, replying to Jonathan Palmer, 4, #824 of 1936 🔗

As previously stated those with coughs,flu like symptoms were not allowed to recover just snuffed out by the misuse of palliative care tools.I witnessed wholesale Euthanasia.Care staff feigned sadness at every loss though secretly relieved that they didn’t have to provide care for the common cold victims.The medical/nursing profession is full of foreign mercenaries who dont give a shit or know fuck all what’s to save the NHS or your freedom?You choose.

284877 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Jonathan Palmer, replying to Mayo, 5, #825 of 1936 🔗

Or the closing down of the National Health Service to everything bar Covid.An unprecedented act in history.
I’m not denying the existence of Covid but we wouldn’t have noticed it’s impact statistically if we were unaware of it.

284812 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ calchas, replying to Jonathan Palmer, 4, #826 of 1936 🔗

The official figures are not there to provide some knind of neutral basis for dispassionate analysis.

They are there to drive public alarm.

For science, they are worse than useless.

284764 ▶▶▶▶ calchas, replying to Mayo, 2, #827 of 1936 🔗

In Germany:

No excess mortality.

1.128 million cases..Impact on mortality – zero.

From destatis.de (Federal Bureau of Statistics Germany)
Mortalities 2016-2020

2016 / Jan 1 – Oct 25: 734,480
2017 / Jan 1 – Oct 25: 761,287
2018 / Jan 1 – Oct 25: 784,727
2019 / Jan 1 – Oct 25: 763,202
2020 / Jan 1 – Oct 25: 772,252

Destatis Numbers

Cambodia – 16 million population – no covid dead.
Macao – 700, 000 populatio – no covid dead.

Despite unrestricted Chinese tourism last winter.

284814 ▶▶▶▶▶ Mayo, replying to calchas, -3, #828 of 1936 🔗

Germany managed to protect its elderly better in the spring. As did Poland & Czechia.

Czechia is now at 0.08% and Poland is also seeing a rise. Germany’s worst month for Covid deaths was November 2020 – so not included in your Jan-Oct figures. .

Asia and Africa may have some prior immunity. Population also tends to be younger.

284821 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Charlie Blue, replying to Mayo, 1, #829 of 1936 🔗

And slimmer?

284832 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ calchas, replying to Mayo, 3, #830 of 1936 🔗

No real lockdown in Germany.

People were never restricted at any time from going outside.

No excess mortality in Germany in November.

‘covid deaths’ in November are deaths of people who ‘tested positive’ within the previous 28 days ie propaganda.

284827 ▶▶▶▶ djaustin, replying to Mayo, -3, #831 of 1936 🔗

Prior belief and confirmation bias from his Facebook survey of recruits for antibody prevalence. Wait for the current wave in California to really estimate his local IFR.

284750 ▶▶▶ Mayo, replying to calchas, -2, #832 of 1936 🔗

Prof Ioanniddis and the WHO now agree on 0.14%

Actually they don’t. Ionnadis published “median” estimate is 0.23%

284790 ▶▶▶▶ calchas, replying to Mayo, 2, #833 of 1936 🔗

As of October 7th: Ioannidis

“As of October 2020, there are >1 million documented deaths with COVID‐19. Excess deaths can be caused by both COVID‐19 and the measures taken. COVID‐19 shows extremely strong risk stratification across age, socioeconomic factors, and clinical factors. Calculation of years‐of‐life‐lost from COVID‐19 is methodologically challenging and can yield misleading over‐estimates. Many early deaths may have been due to suboptimal management, malfunctional health systems, hydroxychloroquine, sending COVID‐19 patients to nursing homes, and nosocomial infections; such deaths are partially avoidable moving forward. About 10% of the global population may be infected by October 2020. Global infection fatality rate is 0.15‐0.20% (0.03‐0.04% in those <70 years),”

https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1111/eci.13423

284831 ▶▶▶▶▶ Mayo, replying to calchas, -3, #834 of 1936 🔗

Err … so what? What exactly are you trying to show me? Is it this?

“About 10% of the global population may be infected by October 2020.”

From where does he get this. I’m guessing from the WHO’s 700million estimate. But this can’t be right because this figure will be based at least partly on PCR tests and, as we all know, 90% of PCR positive tests are False positives.

284843 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ calchas, replying to Mayo, 2, #835 of 1936 🔗

In my opinion, as I have indicated, the statistics situation is a dog’s dinner.

We all know of the problems with the PCR.

We all know that the death statistics have been dishonestly compiled.

284873 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Mayo, replying to calchas, -5, #836 of 1936 🔗

We all know of the problems with the PCR.

Do you? OK so we can assume that the Ionnadis IFR estimate is junk – on 2 counts.

1/ He relies on PCR results for the number infected.
2/ He uses seroprevalence tests which have the same issues with False Positives.

We all know that the death statistics have been dishonestly compiled.

So governments in France, Spain, the UK, the US, Belgium, Peru & countless others are deliberately using inflated death figures for what purpose …… to make themselves look bad?

284879 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ calchas, replying to Mayo, 4, #837 of 1936 🔗

Ioannidis is an established scientist who somehow has to try and work with what is available.

Death figures – junk

Infections figures – junk

Therefore:

IFR figures – junk

I am not saying that there is no genuine covid-19, but the figures have been so distorted, that it is impossible to discern how much of it there is.

Inflated death figures are being used in my opinion to institute an emergency and to drive an agenda.

284787 ▶▶▶ Jonathan Smith, replying to calchas, 1, #838 of 1936 🔗

That’s clinched it. Swaynes a traitor… burn the witch.

284658 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to Ben, 3, #839 of 1936 🔗

It’s how politics works. Managed negotiations happen all the time.

I don’t think many have fully bought into the T4 Recovery group as the white knights have they? They are getting the public to question things more which is just part of this. This will be won by civil disobedience or maybe through a huge win in court (unlikely). Westminster is not going to save us.

284668 ▶▶▶ stewart, replying to BeBopRockSteady, #840 of 1936 🔗

If everyone wrote a letter to their MP, that would actually probably do it.
The problem is that people can literally not be arsed to write a letter, even when they are genuinely cross.

284685 ▶▶▶▶ calchas, replying to stewart, 8, #841 of 1936 🔗

“f everyone wrote a letter to their MP, that would actually probably do it.”

I doubt this.

But..

If millions of people took to the streets day after day… now you’re talking.

284708 ▶▶▶▶▶ stewart, replying to calchas, 1, #842 of 1936 🔗

I think people would be surprised how few letters it takes to get an MPs attention and worrying about their popularity.

284726 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Andrew K, replying to stewart, 4, #843 of 1936 🔗

I don’t actually believe there’ll be another general election again. This scam has been so well orchestrated, I don’t believe those that planned this will allow democracy to get in the way.

284768 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Jonathan Palmer, replying to Andrew K, 2, #844 of 1936 🔗

What will the choice be anyway.Trilateral commission member Starmers Labour Party or Farages fake reform party.We are paying the price in this country for ignoring party politics for years.

285019 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ stewart, replying to Jonathan Palmer, #845 of 1936 🔗

That’s the problem. We are politically homeless (in effect).
I’m supporting the SDP next time around because they are unambiguously against lockdown lunacy. Maybe a waste of time, but doing it out of principle.

284772 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Ben, replying to stewart, 3, #846 of 1936 🔗

There’s been a massive letter writing campaign already and MPs haven’t taken a blind bit of notice

285020 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ stewart, replying to Ben, 1, #847 of 1936 🔗

I know it was talked about massively. But do we know how many letters actually got written?

285024 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ stewart, replying to stewart, #848 of 1936 🔗

Actually, I say massively. Spoke to a political science student the other day who hadn’t heard of Peter Hitchens.

Massive in our bubble of dissent, I suppose.

284817 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ calchas, replying to stewart, #849 of 1936 🔗

That was true in the pre-March 2020 world.

284765 ▶▶▶ Ben, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 4, #850 of 1936 🔗

I am worried. Politicians are insulated from the effects of poverty. I don’t want a French revolution situation. There is terrible poverty in Italy because of lockdown. People are literally starving – something has to give

284681 ▶▶ stewart, replying to Ben, 1, #851 of 1936 🔗

Et tu, Desmond?
Then, liberty die.

284652 TyRade, 4, #852 of 1936 🔗

June Sarpong, BBC Director of Creative Diversity, said the language guide would be published in January “offering our creative teams support”.”
BBC misses a trick, again. Surely would have been the No. 1 Christmas toilet filler?

284653 G.Fawkes, replying to G.Fawkes, 22, #853 of 1936 🔗

I have recently had it confirmed by an anonymous inside source that the vaccination program is part of the depopulation agenda.

The good news is that, when deciding who should be saved and who should not, The Powers That Be wanted only the most robust and intelligent humans to remain, as a way to better guarantee the long term survivability of the human race.

As such, all of the unthinking useless eaters that flock to get the vaccination will die, ensuring that only those that are capable of choosing their own path in life, and thinking for themselves, are left. This will ensure the human race has the most creativity with the least amount of people possible when facing the challenges ahead.

The Powers That Be were initially unsure of the percentage population that would be available, so rolled out the mask wearing program to get a rough idea of the conformist to non-conformist ratio. Enough data has now been collected and the results extrapolated, the numbers are within the hoped for target, and so the program has begun.

Once the program has finished, secret technologies will be revealed, and we will become a Type 2 civilisation (Kardashev Scale) almost overnight, and we will forge ahead rapidly without the burden and stupidity of the useless eaters. The creativity, freethinking spirit, and high moral principles of the remaining humans will be of great importance to our bid to be accepted by the wider intergalactic spacefaring community.

284664 ▶▶ Hieronimusb, replying to G.Fawkes, 6, #854 of 1936 🔗

Yes, I believe this has already been accomplished on Uranus for example.

284672 ▶▶▶ G.Fawkes, replying to Hieronimusb, 6, #855 of 1936 🔗

I for one am looking forward to visiting the famous Gin Baths on GJ 1214b.

284682 ▶▶▶▶ Hieronimusb, replying to G.Fawkes, 10, #856 of 1936 🔗

I hear they’re a real tonic..

284665 ▶▶ Stuart, replying to G.Fawkes, 3, #857 of 1936 🔗

What about the useless eaters at the top of the tree? I name no names.

284675 ▶▶▶ G.Fawkes, replying to Stuart, 6, #858 of 1936 🔗

They will make excellent compost.

284691 ▶▶ Crystal Decanter, replying to G.Fawkes, #859 of 1936 🔗

Nice Larp.
However if that was the intent they could have easily have tweaked the Rona to be as deadly to the useless eaters as was proclaimed in March
They do not want anyone that can actually think – just a nice tanned servant class as per the Georgia Guidestones

284738 ▶▶ Ceriain, replying to G.Fawkes, 5, #860 of 1936 🔗

Once the program has finished, secret technologies will be revealed, and we will become a Type 2 civilisation (Kardashev Scale) almost overnight, and we will forge ahead rapidly without the burden and
stupidity of the useless eaters. The creativity, freethinking spirit, and high moral principles of the remaining humans will be of great importance to our bid to be accepted by the wider galactic and
intergalactic community.

I’ll have a pint of what you’ve been drinking. 😉

284871 ▶▶▶ Buck Foris, replying to Ceriain, 6, #861 of 1936 🔗

One pint of Hand Sanitiser coming right up.

285002 ▶▶▶▶ Ceriain, replying to Buck Foris, 5, #862 of 1936 🔗

Don’t forget my Scotch Egg. 😉

284841 ▶▶ Silke David, replying to G.Fawkes, 2, #863 of 1936 🔗

Good news for me then to get employed again.

284683 Nigel Sherratt, replying to Nigel Sherratt, 6, #864 of 1936 🔗

Neil Young ‘Needle and The Damage Done’ excellent but why must people ruin the performance by whooping like howler monkeys and clapping along like demented old folkies? Concert in Hyde Park a while ago ruined by the person behind me whooping and singing along (flat of course!). Insane self-regard has much to do with the current insanity too.

284702 ▶▶ Hieronimusb, replying to Nigel Sherratt, 5, #865 of 1936 🔗

Necrotic narcissism, there’s a lot of it about and not a whiff of vaccine.

284778 ▶▶ Jonathan Smith, replying to Nigel Sherratt, #866 of 1936 🔗

And why do they choose moments like that to come sloshing past with half a dozen pints of lager?

284689 Sam Vimes, replying to Sam Vimes, 41, #867 of 1936 🔗

Remember “Let’s get tested and get back to the things we love”?
Let’s see – more tests than ever, and everything shut. That went well, didn’t it?

284810 ▶▶ Ovis, replying to Sam Vimes, 6, #868 of 1936 🔗

As planned, or at least as was predicted by everyone with a functioning brain cell.

284868 ▶▶ Achilles, replying to Sam Vimes, 3, #869 of 1936 🔗

Example: England vs South Africa Cricket ODI cancelled due to player testing positive. No idea if sick, probably a false positive, everything closed. If all that you love is Netflix then I suppose testing is a good idea.

285068 ▶▶ Edward, replying to Sam Vimes, #870 of 1936 🔗

I remember that one on Classic FM, and commented on it here at the time. I think it lasted for about two weeks before being pulled. The ad agency or whoever came up with it has probably been given a new contract as a reward for failure.

284696 JohnB, replying to JohnB, 2, #871 of 1936 🔗

Catholic Church in England and Wales says ‘one does not sin’ by receiving COVID vaccine

“Some have questioned the use of the AstraZeneca vaccine since it has been developed from cell-lines originating from the cells of an aborted foetus in 1983.

“The Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith and the Pontifical Academy of Life have expressed the view that one may in good conscience and for a grave reason receive a vaccine sourced in this way, provided that there is a sufficient moral distance between the present administration of the vaccine and the original wrongful action.

“In the COVID-19 pandemic, we judge that this grave reason exists and that one does not sin by receiving the vaccine.

284703 ▶▶ mhcp, replying to JohnB, 3, #872 of 1936 🔗

And to think Peter was crucified upside down because he didn’t deem himself worthy of dying like Jesus, even though Jesus was subject to a typical method of death at the time.

284714 ▶▶ chris, replying to JohnB, 10, #873 of 1936 🔗

Catholic bishops back to their good old trick, hypocrisy.

284715 ▶▶ annie, replying to JohnB, 16, #874 of 1936 🔗

The biggest head-over-heels since St Peter was crucified.

That bit about the ‘sufficient moral distance’ is absolutely disgusting.
Loftily condemn the poor, desperate woman who has an abortion, then grab the corpse and consume it for your own benefit.
Disgusting .

284869 ▶▶▶ Mark, replying to annie, 4, #875 of 1936 🔗

For me, it’s not so much the core hypocrisy I find objectionable – it’s the sheer triviality of what was required for them to have sold their souls.

“Grave reason” my arse! As if a flu-type disease that might slightly hasten the deaths of a few elderly people and carry off a few unlucky individuals could ever honestly outweigh any significant moral prohibition. Transparent rationalisation, or rank cowardice.

If you are going to fall, at least do it for something worthwhile, for goodness sake!

284872 ▶▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to Mark, 3, #876 of 1936 🔗

How many millions have died around the world from HIV/AIDS because of the no condom rule?

284718 ▶▶ Hieronimusb, replying to JohnB, 3, #877 of 1936 🔗

More pontification from the inventors, really I’m very surprised.

284720 ▶▶ Teebs, replying to JohnB, 7, #878 of 1936 🔗

For heaven’s sake!
This reminds me of Middle East tyrannies who roll out imams to issue fatwas saying that the policies of the Great Leader must be followed by the masses.

284725 ▶▶ DJ Dod, replying to JohnB, 1, #879 of 1936 🔗

A missed opportunity to revive the sale of absolutions.

284745 ▶▶▶ Nigel Sherratt, replying to DJ Dod, #880 of 1936 🔗

Doing fine with CAGW carbon credits.

284756 ▶▶ Banjones, replying to JohnB, #881 of 1936 🔗

So there. That’s all right, then.

284826 ▶▶ Bugle, replying to JohnB, 3, #882 of 1936 🔗

But there is no “moral distance” because harvesting of organs from aborted babies continues today. Benefiting from the practice amounts to a defence of it. In the US, restrictions on the trade in foetal tissue have only been imposed by the Trump administration. If Biden manages to blag his way into the White House, the trade will resume to previous levels. Neither is foetal cell-line material used only for “grave” reasons. Senomyx, for example, is a flavour enhancer which was derived from foetal kidney tissue.

To claim that there is “sufficient moral distance” between the present administration of the vaccine and the original wrongful action is at least as morally destitute as saying it was acceptable to profit from slavery whilst the practice continued, so long as the reason was “grave” enough.

284890 ▶▶ Buck Foris, replying to JohnB, 3, #883 of 1936 🔗

I’m surprised they found the time. Those kids aren’t going to abuse themselves you know.

284935 ▶▶ Two-Six, replying to JohnB, #884 of 1936 🔗

The “Pontifical Academy of Life”
lol
Sounds like a university for stoners

285372 ▶▶▶ Nigel Sherratt, replying to Two-Six, 2, #885 of 1936 🔗

The Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith was known as the Supreme Sacred Congregation of the Roman and Universal Inquisition (aka The Inquisition ) in the good old days (from 1542, current name adopted 1965). You can fill in your own Monty Python jokes.

285946 ▶▶▶▶ Two-Six, replying to Nigel Sherratt, #886 of 1936 🔗

Cool
I didn’t expect that!

284956 ▶▶ Steve Hayes, replying to JohnB, 2, #887 of 1936 🔗

moral distance

Does this mean we could use the research findings of Dr Mengele if we considered that doing so would be useful?

284704 Salopian, replying to Salopian, 14, #888 of 1936 🔗

There is little evidence of any independent assessment or research by the MHRA who appear have relied solely on what Pfizer have told them.This has been cut and pasted into the advice sheets which thankfully are now out there and speak for themselves .
These should be circulated as widely as possible.
What are the benefits and how long will they last?
They don’t know.
What are the side effects?

Well the known side effects are many and many red flags are raised on the unknown eg pregnancy ,breastfeeding ,fertility and existing immunity issues ,risks to under 16sand so on.

The information sheets do not set out the fact that Pfizer and the administrators of the vaccine have been given immunity from legal action about.which a patient needs to be informed
Based purely on what is contained in those documents and nothing else I have very serious concerns.
Set against the very small risks of serious illness from the COVID virus to anyone under 40 I cannot see that any competent medical professional would advise any patient in that population under takes part in this medical experiment .
It is unlikely that patients will be given all the information they need to give informed consent to this procedure especially as the vaccine will it seems be given by individuals of limited qualification or none.

The public assurance that this new Vaccine product is effective and safe stands in stark contrast to the non stop COVID fear mongering.

284743 ▶▶ Julian, replying to Salopian, 8, #889 of 1936 🔗

the very small risks of serious illness from the COVID virus to anyone under 40″ I believe the risks of dying from covid are very small for more than the under 40s. I also think if you looked at stats on how likely any given person is to die in the next week, month or year, with or without covid it would be almost identical to the extent that people would wonder what all the fuss was about.

285368 ▶▶▶ Salopian, replying to Julian, #890 of 1936 🔗

Agreed just they are the group affected by pregnancy/fertility issues

284757 ▶▶ awildgoose, replying to Salopian, 14, #891 of 1936 🔗

Anything being shilled as hard as these vaccines can only be for the benefit of Big Pharma profits, not the public health.

I am continually baffled by those who believe that Big Pharma actually, “cares,” about our health.

We are nothing more than profit centers to them.

284822 ▶▶▶ Banjones, replying to awildgoose, 5, #892 of 1936 🔗

That’s why there’ll never be a cure for cancer. Any disease if much too valuable as a resource to develop a cure.

284977 ▶▶▶▶ Banjones, replying to Banjones, #893 of 1936 🔗

”is”

284711 PastImperfect, replying to PastImperfect, 8, #894 of 1936 🔗

To my MP:: So you support this thuggery???

https://youtu.be/lrG3mr0mow8

284740 ▶▶ Julian, replying to PastImperfect, 24, #895 of 1936 🔗

One of the most despicable aspects of this whole business has been the silence of MPs on this subject. I would have more respect for them if they came out openly and said they supported this kind of thuggery, said why it was necessary and defended their position. But they don’t, because they know it’s wrong and they know they do not have the arguments to defend it – this means they are knowingly going along with it for a quiet life, which makes them wicked and unfit for office.

284747 ▶▶▶ Banjones, replying to Julian, 7, #896 of 1936 🔗

Just recently, when I write to my MP, I always make the point that I know she voted FOR lockdowns at every opportunity (before hypocritically joining the CRG) – and inflicted huge suffering upon us. I ALWAYS say too that I obviously don’t include her and her colleagues in the pronoun ”us”.

284732 Margaret, replying to Margaret, 7, #897 of 1936 🔗

via MailOnline for iPhone & iPad Up to £300million of taxpayers’ money has been wasted on swine flu jabs that were never needed. Ministers ordered 90million doses of a vaccine last year at a cost of £54m. Read full article

284735 ▶▶ leggy, replying to Margaret, 18, #898 of 1936 🔗

Vaccinations are the biggest protection racket the world has even seen.

284762 wat tyler, replying to wat tyler, 8, #899 of 1936 🔗

Owen Jones debated with Peter Hitchens yesterday ( you will find it on youtube its called Peter Hitchens i’m not sure we will survive the turmoil) and already has 41 000 hits .It’s interesting for two reasons because although Jones doesn’t agree with hitchens on the lockdown he has at least given him a platform to reach out to a large audience and secondly and more importantly an audience on the labour left who may of never heard this view so i think it’s a plus for us . Hitchens in my opinion could of come over better and at the end says that the public are more behind the lockdown so in essence that view has won ,i personally feel Hitchens in his pessimistic way is always weak on this front and misjudges the public and seems to rely on the dodgy opinion polls to prop up his view that he’s just the clever one that sussed it out .Anyway saying that he makes some hard hitting points and i would suggest everyone watches and makes their own minds up. They go through other topics before they get to covid and this is good because Hitchens manages to come across as pretty reasonable and you start to wish he was your mp ( not always on your side but a honourable man you could trust to be fair ). The last time Jones and Hitch went head to head was five years ago and it has had at least a million views so if nothing else lockdown scepticism will reach a large audience and hopefully a different one .Can this help us break through ? i hope so .Watch and let me know .

284820 ▶▶ IanE, replying to wat tyler, 1, #900 of 1936 🔗

Maybe you are right about Hitchens (I keep remembering Ford’s remark that noone ever lost money by underestimating the intelligence of the public), BUT how many people did you see without masks last time you went to a supermarket?

284844 ▶▶▶ Julian, replying to IanE, 11, #901 of 1936 🔗

Masked people in the supermarket are in large measure a demonstration of apathy, laziness, short-sightedness, dislike of conflict, instinct to follow rules. I don’t think you can infer from that a high level of support for current policy, just muddle-headed acquiescence.

Hitchens is a natural pessimist I think, or he is these days as a defence mechanism because he finds the kind of losses he has had to endure too painful.

He has been clear and consistent in everything he has said and done on covid, from the start

284918 ▶▶▶▶ calchas, replying to Julian, 9, #902 of 1936 🔗

I maintain that wthout coercion maskes would disapear from 90% of people who currently wear them within a week.

The rest would need a month or so.

285219 ▶▶▶▶▶ masker of puppets, replying to calchas, 2, #903 of 1936 🔗

I agree with this – My Mrs is as big a sceptic as me, but still wears a mask in the shops as she hates confrontation. I think there could be a tipping point on mask compliance (maybe 50%?) where are all shy sceptics unmask.

284853 ▶▶▶ Steve Martindale, replying to IanE, #904 of 1936 🔗

Tesco Barnstaple 8;
4 members of staff and 4 customers

284859 ▶▶▶ SionnachAirgid, replying to IanE, #905 of 1936 🔗

Apart from me, nobody

284864 ▶▶▶ wendy, replying to IanE, #906 of 1936 🔗

Most masked but more and more unmasked, including staff, some with sunflower lanyards, here in Manchester

285385 ▶▶▶ gina, replying to IanE, 2, #907 of 1936 🔗

Only one – a young woman. two days ago.
But…
Natural food store in the centre of Norwich today. Needed some supplements but wondered if I would have to shout what I wanted from the doorway as its a very small shop and I’m not wearing a mask.
Not a problem! Two staff and two customers – no masks – invited me – maskless – to join them in the tiny space.
Stood and chatted about growing veg and herbs. No mention of masks at all. Felt good!

284773 mattghg, replying to mattghg, 12, #908 of 1936 🔗

Gove’s article has already been memory-holed, just like the insane “4000 deaths a day” graphic used to justify lockdown 2 and many other propaganda items that have served their purpose.

284858 ▶▶ Jonathan Palmer, replying to mattghg, 5, #909 of 1936 🔗

They are relying on the goldfishlike attention span of the Brutish public.
With little Parliamentary opposition and a compliant media they are getting away with it.

284998 ▶▶ Banjones, replying to mattghg, 2, #910 of 1936 🔗

And what Wittery said back in May – ”don’t be afraid…..”
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=adj8MCsZKlg&feature=youtu.be

284781 richmond, replying to richmond, 5, #911 of 1936 🔗

A small cards and books shop in Droitwich started selling food so as to be within the lockdown laws. WH Smith do it, so why not them? West Mercia police’s reaction:
https://www.rebelnews.com/droitwich_card_shop_fined_1000_while_major_retailers_remain_open_without_issue?e=3935d02c7a0af80c3f000ba6993ec7b6&utm_source=therebel&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=ftfuk_el_12_3_20&n=7

284796 ▶▶ Ben, replying to richmond, 10, #912 of 1936 🔗

I cannot bring myself to read West Mercia Police’s comment when the Police seem to be relishing every opportunity to shut down businesses and to destroy people’s livelihoods

284829 ▶▶▶ awildgoose, replying to Ben, 3, #913 of 1936 🔗

Coppers are merely elite-paid thugs meant to bully the middle and lower classes.

Criminal street gangs are their auxiliaries.

284806 ▶▶ Banjones, replying to richmond, 11, #914 of 1936 🔗

A friend of mine went there a couple of days ago. People are supporting it and they said they hadn’t heard from the police again.
Good for them!

Nigel Farage’s video about the pub in London suffering an entrapment situation is worth watching (if your blood pressure can stand it). These people are shameless! What a pity it’s not illegal in the UK.

284815 richard riewer, replying to richard riewer, 8, #915 of 1936 🔗

Stealing the soul through consent.

284824 ▶▶ awildgoose, replying to richard riewer, 8, #916 of 1936 🔗

The future of humanity as cattle – tagged, bagged, and slaughtered.

284851 ▶▶▶ Crystal Decanter, replying to awildgoose, 5, #917 of 1936 🔗

Chipped and dipped

285017 ▶▶▶ richard riewer, replying to awildgoose, 1, #918 of 1936 🔗

I stole that from Mark Windows.

285093 ▶▶ annie, replying to richard riewer, 2, #919 of 1936 🔗

Yes.
Corollary: if you don’t consent, they cannot steal your soul.
None if us here will consent.

284816 godowneasy, replying to godowneasy, 21, #920 of 1936 🔗

In addition to the BMJ article linked to above, here’s a short article by the BMJ Editor Fiona Godlee comparing the Remdesvir saga with Tamiflu and a wider warning about the rush for COVID19 vaccines. Strong stuff:

Covid-19: The lost lessons of Tamiflu https://www.bmj.com/content/371/bmj.m4701

excerpts:

  • The history of the covid-19 pandemic will be strewn not only with lost lives and livelihoods but with the bloated carcasses of treatments hyped and bought at great expense, only to be found wanting.
  • The remdesivir story shares many common features with the saga of Tamiflu (oseltamivir), the drug that cost the world billions of dollars during the 2009 swine flu pandemic. Both drugs had failed in earlier settings. At the start of the pandemics both were hyped on limited, poor quality research, mainly funded by drug companies. Both were bought in large amounts by governments without data to back up their purchase. Both have harms that have been inadequately researched and reported.
  • Science by press release, on the basis of interim or ad hoc analyses, and without access to the data, also afflicts our knowledge about the covid-19 candidate vaccines. Pandemic or no pandemic, decisions must be based on scrutiny of the full data from trials that are independent of drug and vaccine manufacturers
284838 ▶▶ Julian, replying to godowneasy, 4, #921 of 1936 🔗

Good stuff. Shame she doesn’t mention HCQ, Vitamin D, useless PCR tests, rushed vaccines – all manifestations of the sins she highlights

284830 richard riewer, 1, #922 of 1936 🔗

The Million Minions March.

284845 Ceriain, replying to Ceriain, 1, #923 of 1936 🔗

This really annoys me: BBC live feed

Robert Cuffe – BBC head of statistics

Headline: One in 105 has Covid in England

Figures just released estimate that one in every 105 people (about 520,000) in homes in
England had coronavirus in the week leading up to 28 November.

No, Robert; has and estimate do not mean the same thing.

284865 ▶▶ Colin, replying to Ceriain, 9, #924 of 1936 🔗

I sincerely believe that certain media outlets (the BBC and the Independent come to mind) and certain politicians should face prosecution for misleading information and statements such as this.

284887 ▶▶ mjr, replying to Ceriain, 3, #925 of 1936 🔗

notwithstanding the incompetence shown here, could this be that ” one in 105 has had a test that week that showed a positive result ” (i.e. useless PCR test).

284925 ▶▶▶ Ceriain, replying to mjr, 1, #926 of 1936 🔗

Absolutely! And you can bet your bottom dollar the BBC head of statistics knows this.

284934 ▶▶ kenadams, replying to Ceriain, 6, #927 of 1936 🔗

If that were true the only logical deduction is that covid is an extremely mild disease that kills hardly anyone that is infected by it.

284992 ▶▶▶ A. Contrarian, replying to kenadams, 1, #928 of 1936 🔗

Also wouldn’t almost everyone have had it or been exposed to it by now if that was the case?

284850 Ben, replying to Ben, 9, #929 of 1936 🔗

Robin’s correct. The only ones benefiting from lockdown are pharma and tech shareholders (and perhaps vultures who are picking up collapsed businesses for a snip)

https://twitter.com/robinmonotti/status/1334853618063831046?s=20

284855 ▶▶ Crystal Decanter, replying to Ben, 11, #930 of 1936 🔗

This is a shakedown
and a direct assault on the working class by the “work from home” class
The Pret-a-Marxists think they will be sitting pretty
deluded

285016 ▶▶▶ richard riewer, replying to Crystal Decanter, 1, #931 of 1936 🔗

Class Warfare on a grand scale.

284856 kh1485, replying to kh1485, 20, #932 of 1936 🔗

A friend has just received a reply from our mutual MP. I told her not to bother replying to mine, my blood pressure just can’t stand it.

Anyway, the gist of it was “it’s really hard for everyone … I’ve found it very difficult …” (yeah right on 100% salary, must be really tough) and ” … I want this to end also … so … that’s why I voted to continue with the restrictions …”

And they wonder why they are so reviled.

284880 ▶▶ Poppy, replying to kh1485, 1, #933 of 1936 🔗

My MP hasn’t even bothered to reply to my emails.

284888 ▶▶▶ kh1485, replying to Poppy, 2, #934 of 1936 🔗

After seeing mine and parts of this one Poppy, I’d view that as a bonus!

284901 ▶▶▶▶ Poppy, replying to kh1485, 6, #935 of 1936 🔗

I retract what I said – just opened my email now and as if by Sod’s Law, my MP has replied! It is a very long reply indeed which doesn’t really address or concede any of my individual points which makes me suspect it is a rote reply trotted out to most if not all constituents. There’s no way she has the time to sit down and write replies that long to every constituent.

284908 ▶▶▶▶▶ kh1485, replying to Poppy, 3, #936 of 1936 🔗

Bloody hell, creepy …

284917 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ mjr, replying to kh1485, 1, #937 of 1936 🔗

MP must have got a nudge from GCHQ to get an email issued

285332 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Nigel Sherratt, replying to mjr, #938 of 1936 🔗

Started winging into my inbox after I left a couple of comments here about the Minister of State for Social Care (spooky!).

285014 ▶▶▶ richard riewer, replying to Poppy, 1, #939 of 1936 🔗

In the majority of cases you will probably not like the reply, so just keep bugging them regardless.

284885 ▶▶ DRW, replying to kh1485, 1, #940 of 1936 🔗

Mine always was useless but now even worse with a junior minister gig so I only got painful boilerplate bollocks.

284892 ▶▶▶ kh1485, replying to DRW, 1, #941 of 1936 🔗

Ours has, I believe, never voted against the party line. She too, I reckon, is eyeing up a ministerial career.

284904 ▶▶▶▶ maggie may, replying to kh1485, 1, #942 of 1936 🔗

Won’t last long as hopefully this lot are complete toast in 2024

285342 ▶▶▶▶▶ Nigel Sherratt, replying to maggie may, #943 of 1936 🔗

Who to vote for to get them out is the problem. The anti-semites or the eco loons? Tricky. Eco loons probably least harmful since reality will bite before they can do too much harm (with luck!).

285335 ▶▶▶ Nigel Sherratt, replying to DRW, #944 of 1936 🔗

Yes, absolutely!

284919 ▶▶ Ben, replying to kh1485, 11, #945 of 1936 🔗

Astounding and anger-inducing to think that less than 1000 politicians have imposed house arrest, crimalised love, destroyed civil liberties, trashed the economy and ruined life for over 66m UK citizens

That is clearly not democracy but tyranny

284979 ▶▶▶ kh1485, replying to Ben, 6, #946 of 1936 🔗

Yep. But what depresses me is that as soon as I suggest this to people, they do an eye-roll as in “oh, she’s off again …” As I said what seems like an eternity ago, they’ll only realise what they’ve squandered when it’s too late. Trouble is, they’re taking us down with them.

284988 ▶▶▶▶ Ben, replying to kh1485, 5, #947 of 1936 🔗

Just keep speaking your truth. Eventually pennies drop

285346 ▶▶▶ Nigel Sherratt, replying to Ben, 2, #948 of 1936 🔗

Plus 100s of thousands of collateral premature deaths.

285094 ▶▶ Crystal Decanter, replying to kh1485, 1, #949 of 1936 🔗

You will never see another election ever again
or it will be an election in name only
The Taffia in Wales are already mooting the Sadiq Hamlets model of “delaying” elections because of the big scary cold

285770 ▶▶ nocheesegromit, replying to kh1485, #950 of 1936 🔗

Sounds like York’s finest (ha) Rachael Maskell

284881 Steve Martindale, replying to Steve Martindale, 8, #951 of 1936 🔗

I have put my draft wording for a Face mask petition in the forum section of this site in the politics section. I have also put my email so that if you are OK to be a sponsor for this petition you can let me have your name and email.
This is all new to me and so I only hope I am going about this in the right way? but with the Face-mask England regs coming up for review next month I feel we cannot let this just slip by unchallenged.
Thanks Steve

284889 ▶▶ Moomin, replying to Steve Martindale, 1, #952 of 1936 🔗

I’ve just emailed you.

284913 ▶▶▶ Steve Martindale, replying to Moomin, #953 of 1936 🔗

Thank you.

285010 ▶▶ richard riewer, replying to Steve Martindale, 1, #954 of 1936 🔗

Mask Murder.

284884 Victoria, 4, #955 of 1936 🔗

Refer to the Simon Dolan case

A review of the judgment in R (Dolan) v Secretary of State. Has the Court of Appeal accepted a reversal of the assumption that one is free to do anything not expressly prohibited?

https://twitter.com/Francis_Hoar/status/1334835386808463362

Freedoms vs Permissions – a liberal look at the Court of Appeal judgment on the coronavirus regulations

https://davidallengreen.com/2020/12/freedoms-vs-permissions-a-liberal-look-at-the-court-of-appeal-judgment-on-the-coronavirus-regulation/

284893 Biggles, replying to Biggles, 45, #956 of 1936 🔗

Mrs Biggles has just had a phone call from a friend who lives about two miles away. The conversation went like this

Friend – We’ve just heard that the mother of a neighbour who lives close by us has died of Coronavirus.

Mrs B – Oh dear, that’s awful

Friend – I know, it really brings it home to you doesn’t it?

Mrs B – How old was she?

Friend – 105.

284898 ▶▶ Crystal Decanter, replying to Biggles, 54, #957 of 1936 🔗

She had the whole afternoon ahead of her

284916 ▶▶▶ Ceriain, replying to Crystal Decanter, 19, #958 of 1936 🔗

I shouldn’t, but that made me literally laugh out loud. Fantastic!

284932 ▶▶▶▶ steve_w, replying to Ceriain, 11, #959 of 1936 🔗

me too – first proper lol of the day! 🙂

284953 ▶▶▶▶ kh1485, replying to Ceriain, 7, #960 of 1936 🔗

Me too. Thankfully I didn’t have a mouth full of tea at the time …

285221 ▶▶▶▶▶ Lisa (formerly) from Toronto, replying to kh1485, 6, #961 of 1936 🔗

I had just swallowed my mouthful of coffee. Disaster averted!

284943 ▶▶▶ Mabel Cow, replying to Crystal Decanter, 6, #962 of 1936 🔗

Genius.

284900 ▶▶ mjr, replying to Biggles, 7, #963 of 1936 🔗

so no underlying conditions then!

284903 ▶▶ JohnB, replying to Biggles, 18, #964 of 1936 🔗

Cut down in the prime of her life!

284912 ▶▶ Liam, replying to Biggles, 4, #965 of 1936 🔗

FFS.

284948 ▶▶ Ceriain, replying to Biggles, 12, #966 of 1936 🔗

That is almost as big a tragedy as Matt Hancock’s mother’s first husband’s ex-wife’s father dying.

Almost!

285034 ▶▶▶ Sam Vimes, replying to Ceriain, 4, #967 of 1936 🔗

Some things are hard to say. Like: “Ken Dodd’s dad’s dog’s dead”.

285086 ▶▶ annie, replying to Biggles, 1, #968 of 1936 🔗

🤔

285103 ▶▶ Edward, replying to Biggles, 6, #969 of 1936 🔗

Reminds me of the Dad’s Army episode where Frazer tells the story of how his shipmate had a curse put on him for stealing a ruby. “Death! Death! The ruby will bring you death!” It ends up with Pike asking if the curse came true. “Aye son, it did. He died last year, he was 86”.

285324 ▶▶▶ Nigel Sherratt, replying to Edward, 1, #970 of 1936 🔗

Like the curse on the Plotnick diamond that turns out to be Mr Plotnick. (As related by his much younger wife.)

284894 Stuart, replying to Stuart, 13, #971 of 1936 🔗

MULESEP – the Masked & Uniformed Lockdown Enforcement & Scotch Egg Patrol – are to be issued with micrometer screw gauges to determine the dimensions of these suspicious objects.

Measurement parameters will soon be issued by HMG and any Scotch found to be undersized will be impounded and thrown back over the border.

284914 ▶▶ Ceriain, replying to Stuart, 1, #972 of 1936 🔗

Most witty.

Worth mentioning the ‘scotch’ in scotch eggs is very unlikely to have anything to do with Krankieland 😉

284954 ▶▶▶ Ceriain, replying to Ceriain, #973 of 1936 🔗

That said, I have no objection to throwing things at her. 😉

285005 ▶▶▶▶ richard riewer, replying to Ceriain, 1, #974 of 1936 🔗

Haggis would pack more of a punch.

285084 ▶▶ annie, replying to Stuart, 1, #975 of 1936 🔗

If your Scotch egg is botched,
Tough luck, it will be scotched.

284895 Victoria, replying to Victoria, 16, #976 of 1936 🔗

350 jobs at risk Keir Starmer?

Why so concerned? The illegal lockdowns that you want more of have so far cost over 1m jobs.

https://twitter.com/simondolan/status/1334840661946884097

284911 ▶▶ mjr, replying to Victoria, 25, #977 of 1936 🔗

lets follow the logic here
RR make Jet engines (with parts from Barnoldswick)
Jet Engines go into commercial planes
Planes are bought by airlines to carry passengers.
Because of lockdown there are few passengers
Airlines do not need new planes .
Jet engines not required
Starmer supports lockdown

284920 ▶▶▶ Paul, replying to mjr, 6, #978 of 1936 🔗

Yes,but logic,as well as flu,has been irradicated by covid.

284923 ▶▶▶ Mark, replying to mjr, 5, #979 of 1936 🔗

That’s far too complicated for the likes of Starmer, evidently. Or Jeremy “herd immunity is eugenics” Corbyn. In fact, almost the whole of the Labour Party has now admitted that they are too stupid or ideologically hidebound to run any real world enterprise, let alone a country. So they go into the same wastebasket of history as the Johnson “Conservatives” belong in.

284933 ▶▶▶▶ Steve Hayes, replying to Mark, #980 of 1936 🔗

Do you have a link to where Jeremy Corbyn said, “Herd immunity is Eugenics”?

284946 ▶▶▶▶▶ Mark, replying to Steve Hayes, #981 of 1936 🔗

Was reported in the msm, I linked it here and quoted it for Rick H a few weeks back. I imagine a quick online search will bring references up…

Why, do you doubt it?

285006 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Steve Hayes, replying to Mark, #982 of 1936 🔗

I take you are referring to the this: https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2020/aug/19/jeremy-corbyn-governments-coronavirus-policy-was-eugenic-herd-immunity

But, notwithstanding the headline, what Corbyn is reported as saying of government briefings was:

And so, while the government was going into eugenic formulas and discussing all this stuff, they were not making adequate preparations.”

The, they were not making adequate preparations puts the word eugenic in a very different light.

285102 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Mark, replying to Steve Hayes, #983 of 1936 🔗

No, see my other reply. But also no, it doesn’t put the word eugenic into a different light. It’s the same light – either toddler-level misunderstanding or intentional use of an utterly inappropriate term for black propagandist purposes.

284976 ▶▶▶▶▶ Mark, replying to Steve Hayes, 3, #984 of 1936 🔗

Here’s a more recent mention, but I recall posting a contemporary report from March. Should have bookmarked it I suppose.
Corbyn claims Tories planned a ‘eugenic’ herd immunity strategy to handle coronavirus “In an interview with Tribune magazine’s ‘A World to Win’ podcast, Corbyn described a government briefing he went to as Labour leader that he claimed was based on “eugenic formulas” of letting people die in large numbers.

He told the podcast: “I distinctly remember Jon Ashworth and I going to a meeting at the Cabinet Office where we got a lecture about herd immunity…The last time I discussed herd immunity had been when I worked on a pig farm 40 years ago.

“It was absurd: that you’d build up herd immunity by allowing people to die. And so, while the government was going into eugenic formulas of discussing all this stuff, they were not making adequate preparations,” Corbyn said.

Note that when Corbyn burbles like a toddler about “allowing people to die” and “eugenics”, what he is referring to is a strategy of doing pretty much what Sweden did.

That’s the path we might have taken, were it not for the likes of the Labour Party (and admittedly many others) kicking off hysterically in March.

285001 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ richard riewer, replying to Mark, 4, #985 of 1936 🔗

Herd immunity is a natural part of everyday life. Covid or no Covid. These people are Uber Neurotic Hypochondriacs!

284999 ▶▶▶▶▶ Ceriain, replying to Steve Hayes, #986 of 1936 🔗

Not Corbyn, but Richard Rieser, Disability Officer, Islington North CLP, wrote it in an article.

https://www.islingtonnorthlabour.org.uk/blog/2020/04/23/political-and-ethical-issues-raised-by-covid-19/

284951 ▶▶▶▶ A. Contrarian, replying to Mark, 2, #987 of 1936 🔗

Life is eugenics really, isn’t it, if you look at it like that.

285315 ▶▶▶▶ Nigel Sherratt, replying to Mark, #988 of 1936 🔗

No problem, it’s a myth according to Dorries.

If herd immunity existed, measles and chicken pox would have been wiped out years ago. There is no such thing as herd immunity. https://t.co/THC1DC1mJa

— Nadine Dorries 🇬🇧 #StayAlert (@NadineDorries) October 13, 2020

284902 Victoria, replying to Victoria, 4, #989 of 1936 🔗

For those of us that thought the vaccine, however untried and untested it is, might be the catalyst for this Government releasing the shackles on us, we were wrong.

“Vaccine won’t free you from self-isolation, says Government”.

https://twitter.com/BritainFree/status/1334788131367886849

284924 ▶▶ maggie may, replying to Victoria, 5, #990 of 1936 🔗

Yep, yet more lies. What was it Boris said about the vaccine being like the arrival of the Prussians at Waterloo? Complete rubbish obviously.

284947 ▶▶▶ A. Contrarian, replying to maggie may, 7, #991 of 1936 🔗

I still think Boris actually believes in his bugles and post-vaccine sunlit uplands. Look at how he reacted when JVT was going on about masks and SDing forever. I think that was a genuine reaction of surprise and dismay.

We can only hope that it sinks in soon. Perhaps it will encourage him to rethink SAGE’s approach when it becomes clear that they are not releasing their hold on us following the Great UK Jabbing, and have been stringing him (and us) along with false promises the whole time.

284995 ▶▶▶▶ richard riewer, replying to A. Contrarian, 2, #992 of 1936 🔗

Boris is not being railroaded, he’s the train conductor.

284997 ▶▶▶▶▶ richard riewer, replying to richard riewer, 1, #993 of 1936 🔗

Playing with his toy train set.

285182 ▶▶▶▶ Peter, replying to A. Contrarian, 1, #994 of 1936 🔗

The problem is that Van Tam is one of the most loathsome wastes of carbon that has blighted this planet for decades. Utterly convinced his own puritanical way of life is how everyone should live. He makes witless and unbalanced look intelligent and balanced. Needs to have an “accident” ASAP

284966 ▶▶▶ Buck Foris, replying to maggie may, 10, #995 of 1936 🔗

Johnson’s entire premiership is just a long string of misguided attempts at painting himself as the ‘great statesman in time of crisis’, and we all have to suffer his interminable stupidity as he relentlessly wanks off his own ego at the thought of mighty statues cast in the generous lines of his corpulent foetid carcass, erect and resplendent in the misty morn.

284987 ▶▶▶▶ RickH, replying to Buck Foris, 3, #996 of 1936 🔗

Yes – he’s actually the tiny boy playing in a league far above his capabilities.

284906 l835, replying to l835, 14, #997 of 1936 🔗

Drakeford has finally lost the plot…

“I take the decisions that I do because I know that they are the right decisions,” he said.

“As long as I can look at myself in the mirror and believe I’m doing the right thing, that’s what matters to me.”

“Nobody should have an expectation that by Dec 17 all these rules will be lifted.“

284910 ▶▶ Paul, replying to l835, 13, #998 of 1936 🔗

Less insane people are locked up in Broadmoor.

285323 ▶▶▶ Salopian, replying to Paul, 2, #999 of 1936 🔗

Lock him up with his rapist son: whose mitigation was he had a low IQ
Where did that come from?

284926 ▶▶ Steve Hayes, replying to l835, 9, #1000 of 1936 🔗

He sounds much like Tony Blair when he said: “I only know what I believe.”

284930 ▶▶ Buck Foris, replying to l835, 4, #1001 of 1936 🔗

I wonder if he would mind if I use the same justification to throw him in a piranha infested paddling pool.

284937 ▶▶ A. Contrarian, replying to l835, 7, #1002 of 1936 🔗

Presumably Hitler thought the same…

284952 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to l835, 5, #1003 of 1936 🔗

At what point does a democratic leader become dictator? Sounds like he gets advise on policy from his own reflection

284961 ▶▶▶ calchas, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 5, #1004 of 1936 🔗

I am not sure exactly where that point is, but when he makes your home your prison for several weeks, then I presume that it has been passed,

284996 ▶▶▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to calchas, 2, #1005 of 1936 🔗

Indeed. I think some think they get to vote for a dictatorship to be put in place. They don’t realise that one day you wake up and its there

285025 ▶▶▶ Sam Vimes, replying to BeBopRockSteady, #1006 of 1936 🔗

About eight months ago.

284958 ▶▶ Ewan Duffy, replying to l835, #1007 of 1936 🔗

Until 1959, Ireland had a nutfuck Taoiseach on and off called Eamon deValera* A stooge of the Roman Catholic church, he was quoted thus by the New York Times:

“If I wish to know what the Irish want,” said Eamon de Valera, “I look into my own heart.”

* It is a bugbear of mine that when the British Army took to executing the leaders of the 1916 Easter Rising in Dublin, they spared Eamon deValera. I believe that the 20th century history of the Republic of Ireland would have better if deValera had been executed in 1916.

285194 ▶▶▶ Ned of the Hills, replying to Ewan Duffy, #1008 of 1936 🔗

Ach, ar a laghad, bhí Gaeilge mhaith aige.

285306 ▶▶▶ Nigel Sherratt, replying to Ewan Duffy, -1, #1009 of 1936 🔗

Famously signed the book of condolences for Hitler’s death at the German Embassy in Dublin.

284981 ▶▶ RickH, replying to l835, 5, #1010 of 1936 🔗

Sooo … if somebody looks in the mirror, and believes that the world would be better off without Drakeford (following the Science, of course) … and puts that perception into practice … then, knowing that’s the right decision, all is hunky-dory?

284984 ▶▶ Ben, replying to l835, 3, #1011 of 1936 🔗

I read about his son. Nice family

285039 ▶▶▶ Mike Collins, replying to Ben, 1, #1012 of 1936 🔗

One of those moments when you hope there’s no truth in the saying “like father, like son”.

284989 ▶▶ Ceriain, replying to l835, 3, #1013 of 1936 🔗

“I take the decisions that I do because I know that they are the right decisions,” he said.

So, he does think he’s God.

285080 ▶▶ annie, replying to l835, 2, #1014 of 1936 🔗

A Stalinist solipsist!

285437 ▶▶ Ben, replying to l835, #1015 of 1936 🔗

That must be the amusement park mirror?

284922 maggie may, replying to maggie may, 8, #1016 of 1936 🔗

Apologies if someone has already posted this but the following from the government document to health professionals is a bit interesting.

Incompatibilities: “In the absence of compatibility studies, this medicinal product must not be mixed with other medicinal products.”

Must be huge numbers of the elderly and vulnerable who are on other medicinal products, how do they propose to get round that one?

284931 ▶▶ steve_w, replying to maggie may, 4, #1017 of 1936 🔗

pretty much get out clause for anyone. I’m on ibuprofen for knee pain

285173 ▶▶▶ Lisa (formerly) from Toronto, replying to steve_w, 2, #1018 of 1936 🔗

I’m on Tums for constant indigestion resulting from living through this insanity.

284936 ▶▶ A. Contrarian, replying to maggie may, 2, #1019 of 1936 🔗

Yes, it’s nuts. Especially the vulnerable who are most at risk from covid, are almost guaranteed to be on a cocktail of other drugs. Not sure how much of an issue this will be in reality though, as far as I know vaccines don’t generally interfere or interact with other drug treatments – but obviously it is something that needs to be tested and not left unknown.

284941 ▶▶▶ maggie may, replying to A. Contrarian, 4, #1020 of 1936 🔗

Well, as we know, the population are the real Phase 3 trials. See my comment above about Karol Sikora’s interview.

284944 ▶▶ Julian, replying to maggie may, 2, #1021 of 1936 🔗

Earlier today there was a thread on this, here on LS, which concluded that paragraph applied to storage of the vaccine, not to administering it

284950 ▶▶▶ maggie may, replying to Julian, 1, #1022 of 1936 🔗

Well I didn’t read the whole government document, just what was shown above! I had better read the whole thing. Thanks

284982 ▶▶▶ Ceriain, replying to Julian, 1, #1023 of 1936 🔗

Yes. It’s a pharmaceutical instruction.

Maybe FlynnQuill can pop in and tell us how his paharmacist wife interprets this.

285051 ▶▶▶▶ Dave #KBF, replying to Ceriain, 1, #1024 of 1936 🔗

Pharmacists seem to be the people who take note of these instructions, in my experience medical doctors dish out the meds without checking if you are on other prescription or non prescription medications.

It is only when you speak to the pharmastist and they ask if you are taking anything else you find incompatibilities.

284991 ▶▶▶ Steve Hayes, replying to Julian, 1, #1025 of 1936 🔗

And that conclusion was senseless.

285008 ▶▶ Victoria, replying to maggie may, 1, #1026 of 1936 🔗

Show me one person over 70 that is not taking handfuls of pharmaceutical drugs

285057 ▶▶ Andy Riley, replying to maggie may, 1, #1027 of 1936 🔗

Discussion below.
The section in question is about storage so not about mixing in the body.

285169 ▶▶ Lisa (formerly) from Toronto, replying to maggie may, 3, #1028 of 1936 🔗

Does anybody actually believe that any of the other vaccines on the schedule have ever been tested for interactions with other vaccines being given at the same time or with medications people are taking? I can tell you they haven’t. Strikes me as strange that only now are these questions being asked, but I think it’s a positive development since even more people are becoming vaccine hesitant.

284929 Suzyv, replying to Suzyv, 22, #1029 of 1936 🔗

https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/regulatory-approval-of-pfizer-biontech-vaccine-for-covid-19

The first document- info for health professionals on the the vaccine makes an interesting read. Especially that little bit about “fertility” on page 6… So they don’t know if it will affect fertility, and they do not include this in information to be given to the recipient of the vaccine. This does not sound like informed consent. This alone should be raised with MP’s.

284938 ▶▶ maggie may, replying to Suzyv, 12, #1030 of 1936 🔗

Did you hear Karol Sikora on TalkRadio this morning? I thought he was one of the good guys but when asked about some of the things people were concerned about and especially fertility issues, all he could say was we don’t know and we’ll have to wait and see. Great, so some poor lass/lad finds in a few years times that they can’t ever have children, and all because waiting and seeing was seen to be quite acceptable.

284969 ▶▶▶ Ceriain, replying to maggie may, 13, #1031 of 1936 🔗

we’ll have to wait and see

I hate to hear these people say this. Van Tam said it yesterday while answering questions about the vaccine on the Beeb.

Yet these are the same people who say they are following the ‘precautionary principle’ where Covid is concerned.

You can’t do both, morons!

284972 ▶▶▶▶ RickH, replying to Ceriain, 7, #1032 of 1936 🔗

“we’ll have to wait and see”

… actually that’s what a proper testing/regulatory regime is all about!

285041 ▶▶▶▶ penelope pitstop, replying to Ceriain, 3, #1033 of 1936 🔗

we should give the vaxx to all these bloody MPs and their health cronies and then we the public “will wait and see” if they die or survive before taking it!!

285042 ▶▶▶▶▶ stewart, replying to penelope pitstop, #1034 of 1936 🔗

Apparently Biden has agreed to get vaccinated live on TV

285429 ▶▶▶▶▶ Ben, replying to penelope pitstop, #1035 of 1936 🔗

Do people honestly believe that politicians and celebs are going to be vaccinated live on air with a rushed through, indemnified vaccine predicted to make some people feel extremely unwell?

285160 ▶▶▶ Lisa (formerly) from Toronto, replying to maggie may, 4, #1036 of 1936 🔗

I’m finding that many of the good guys/gals are still very much invested in the vaccine narrative. They are anti-lockdown and have been brilliant at debunking the PCR test, etc., but they won’t go that one step further with respect to vaccines. Challenging vaccine science, or the lack thereof, is just a step too far for most of them.

286076 ▶▶▶ Dirlo Dio, replying to maggie may, #1037 of 1936 🔗

I noticed too – but Sikora is not one of the ‘good guys’. He was all for lockdowns initially and supported the first one, regardless of his stance since then. I feel that he is a fraud and is still hedging his bets on what side of the argument to rest on that will make him look good.

284986 ▶▶ JohnB, replying to Suzyv, 4, #1038 of 1936 🔗

Can’t have it if Breastfeeding either:

Breast-feeding

It is unknown whether COVID-19 mRNA Vaccine BNT162b2 is excreted in human milk. A risk to the newborns/infants cannot be excluded. COVID-19 mRNA Vaccine BNT162b2 should not be used during breast-feeding.

285046 ▶▶ Achilles, replying to Suzyv, 1, #1039 of 1936 🔗

Not that I would give it to her anyway but in light of the fertility concerns my 12 year old daughter will not be having the vaccine until she is at least 45 years old.

285088 ▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to Achilles, 2, #1040 of 1936 🔗

She can’t have it until she’s 16 anyway.

284939 richard riewer, 2, #1041 of 1936 🔗

Do not allow the government to feign ignorance about anything. They have spies everywhere.

284945 richard riewer, replying to richard riewer, 10, #1042 of 1936 🔗

Don’t be a guinea pig for Big Pharma.

284970 ▶▶ kh1485, replying to richard riewer, 3, #1043 of 1936 🔗

Trouble is, for many years many people have, without knowing it.

284983 ▶▶ DRW, replying to richard riewer, 2, #1044 of 1936 🔗

The bracketed groups, recording effects approach sounds very similar to trial conditions. Which the rollout basically is.

284957 Andrew K, replying to Andrew K, 1, #1045 of 1936 🔗

You just can’t argue with a lockdown zealot, this is the shit somebody came back to me with when discussing this shit

By Gideon Frieder.

Why was man created alone?

Is it not true that the creator could have created the whole of humanity?

But man was created alone to teach you that whoever kills one life kills the world entire, and whoever saves one life saves the world entire.

People cannot be free unless they are willing to sacrifice some of their interests to guarantee the freedom of others…

284975 ▶▶ richard riewer, replying to Andrew K, 1, #1046 of 1936 🔗

Mark Windows: Word Salad.

284994 ▶▶ DRW, replying to Andrew K, 2, #1047 of 1936 🔗

You can’t, it’s pretty much their religion. Guess this is the text for the “if it saves one life” commandment.

285076 ▶▶ annie, replying to Andrew K, 2, #1048 of 1936 🔗

That’s absurd.If you are compelled – which us what they are really saying – to sacrifice your own interests in order to be free, then obviously you are not free.

286012 ▶▶ Binra, replying to Andrew K, #1049 of 1936 🔗

Man is created free.
In the image and likeness of the Creator.
Not locked down in a body of denials cast out and masked over in fig leaf thinking.

“It may shock you to know that all the world’s bacteria have access to a single gene pool, which has provided an immense resource for adaptation, manifesting an array of breathtaking combinations and re-combinations for three billion years! Any bacterium—at any time—has the ability to use accessory genes, provided by other strains, which permits it to function in ways its own DNA may not cover. The global trading of genes through DNA re-combinations provides for almost endless adaptation possibilities. Therefore, what has been done to one has been done to all. Widespread use of antibacterial agents is both futile and disastrous. Future life sciences and medicine will comprehend the more effective use of agents to stimulate positive adaptation of bacteria resulting in chains of supportive symbiosis. In the presence of love, these positive adaptations naturally occur. In the presence of hatred and fear, negative and resistant strains of bacteria are more likely. Life forms are ever changing, and yet the basic chemistry of life remains the same. Do not cling to forms that are passing, but seek for an understanding of life that embraces and includes all possibilities. This is accomplished through integrating and expanding patterns and relationships. In this way, you will see God as the creative power of life. When I asked that you love one another, I was not just giving you a recipe for human fellowship. This is the doorway to life eternal.” (The Keys of Jeshua – Glenda Green)

284959 BeBopRockSteady, replying to BeBopRockSteady, #1050 of 1936 🔗

We haven’t any of this here where I live so I have to ask is this for real?

https://youtu.be/DApvZa5QzME

284965 ▶▶ calchas, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 2, #1051 of 1936 🔗

It’s a piss-take – for now.

285028 ▶▶ Ceriain, replying to BeBopRockSteady, #1052 of 1936 🔗

Totally fake: he found a working public phone… in London. 😉

284960 Will, replying to Will, 15, #1053 of 1936 🔗

Any rumours about the u turn on NHS workers? Did the doctors and nurses say “fuck that for a game of soldiers” when told they were going to be first to get the jab?

284963 ▶▶ calchas, replying to Will, 7, #1054 of 1936 🔗

So, when do patients begin to refuse treatment from unvaccinated medical staff?

284964 ▶▶ RickH, replying to Will, 6, #1055 of 1936 🔗

I doubt that en masse reaction – but I reckon a component might have been the fact that a significant proportion know enough about basic rational medicine to not be particularly keen on this cheap-skate production.

284985 ▶▶▶ Will, replying to RickH, 4, #1056 of 1936 🔗

Or indeed the need for it for those under the age of 60.

285009 ▶▶ Tyneside Tigress, replying to Will, 5, #1057 of 1936 🔗

A few people posting in various places this morning suggesting this. Of course, unless doctors/nurses go public it will be impossible to know for sure. Reading between the lines, though, and watching and listening to Sir Simon Stevens’ on Wednesday, I would say there had been meetings before the conference as well as after it (as referenced in today’s summary). There was a survey of doctors last week saying 40% wouldn’t take it, albeit a small survey, but important to note.

284967 richard riewer, 3, #1058 of 1936 🔗

Dictatorship of the Covidians has replaced the Proletariat.

284973 Ben, replying to Ben, 2, #1059 of 1936 🔗

An explanation for the sudden spike in non-Covid deaths. And did the Gov’t consider lives expendable?

https://twitter.com/Stat_O_Guy/status/1334859039520514049?s=20

284993 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to Ben, 11, #1060 of 1936 🔗

Stark.

Charles Walker made the point during last weeks farcical debate about other lives/deaths being valued less.

The whole mess of lockdown has become an exercise in suppression of these voices.

The Stats guy is right. They need to show how they addressed these stats, how did they write them off?

285050 ▶▶▶ Ceriain, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 1, #1061 of 1936 🔗

Whitty believes all those deaths are “ due” to Covid; not with , or of , but due to.

All deaths since March are Covid deaths.

The bastard is Covid Obsessed!

Science and Technology Committee: Tuesday 3 November 2020

Most of the additional deaths stack up because you don’t deal with Covid .

Basically, there are four different ways in which this causes mortality. I will go through them. This is a really critical point that has been wholly misunderstood in some areas.

Direct deaths from Covid is easy to understand. I agree with that.

The second group, which hopefully we will not get to, are deaths from emergency services being overwhelmed. We did not have that in the firstwave and we have every intention of trying to avoid that in the second wave.

The third group is things that would happen: because of Covid putting pressure on the service, you have to cancel elective and other urgent care. Those deaths might be cardiovascular. In the medium term, that might be cancer. Those are on the Covid side of the equation. Then you have some that were around the lockdown itself, which are things like reduction in air pollution on the good side, and an increase in mental health problems on the bad side.

The final ones, which are very important, are the economic ones: counterintuitively, the immediate effect is not negative but in the long term that is very important. That is the bit that is on the other side of the equation. I have always said that clearly. If you are in public health, caring about increasing deprivation is central to what you do. It is absolutely critical. I have always tried to say that that is the other side of the equation.

The cancer and cardiovascular deaths are on the Covid side.

If you don’t deal with Covid, those are going to get worse.

285188 ▶▶▶▶▶ Tim Bidie, replying to Ceriain, 1, #1063 of 1936 🔗

Weasel words from the Chief Medical Officer which sounded contrived, self serving; obviously rehearsed

There was, demonstrably, no pressure from covid 19, simply pressure from modelling (and France/eu). His point of view falls once it is clear that the data used for the models was poor, and quite obviously poor; no basis for such a major decision; and that PCR tests were hopeless for diagnosis. It was his job to get a grip of the data and tests, cycle thresholds, as health leaders did in Sweden and elsewhere.

He makes no mention of the Amnesty International study; deaths caused by the hospital clearances.

https://www.amnesty.org.uk/files/2020-10/Care%20Homes%20Report.pdf

And the committee makes nothing out of the by then notorious PCR test inadequacies.

All these are matters that will be discussed at great length in an independent public enquiry.

I doubt that history will be kind to any of the government’s senior advisers presiding over this hopeless shambles, or the government itself.

285003 ▶▶ Victoria, replying to Ben, 2, #1064 of 1936 🔗

Thanks

285078 ▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to Victoria, 2, #1065 of 1936 🔗

Every COVID life matters, the others, well who give a f*ck!

284990 richard riewer, 5, #1066 of 1936 🔗

Casey Whalen talks about Peoples Rights, a group which has grown to 36,000 people since March. Peoplesrights.org

285000 JohnB, replying to JohnB, 6, #1067 of 1936 🔗

Just on the ‘ Undesirable Effects ‘ section

Study C4591001 (Study 2) enrolled approximately 44,000 participants, 12 years of age or older.

In Study 2, a total of 21,720 participants 16 years of age or older received at least one dose of COVID-19 mRNA Vaccine BNT162b and 21,728 participants 16 years of age or older received placebo.

Out of these, at the time of the analysis, 19,067 (9531 COVID-19 mRNA Vaccine BNT162b2 and 9536 placebo) were evaluated for safety 2 months after the second dose of COVID-19 mRNA Vaccine BNT162b2.

What happened to the 552 12-16 year old’s, and why is their data excluded from the report? Were there adverse reactions in this group which is why the vaccine is only recommended for those 16 and over?

285004 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to JohnB, 4, #1068 of 1936 🔗

exactly the kind of question that would come up in peer review.

285049 ▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 1, #1069 of 1936 🔗

And they definitely did give the vaccine to 12-15 year olds during the trial and that they will continue to be monitored for 24 months as confirmed in the document by the below:

In Study 2, approximately 44,000 participants 12 years of age and older were randomised equally and received 2 doses of COVID-19 mRNA Vaccine or placebo with a planned interval of 21 days. The efficacy analyses included participants that received their second vaccination within 19 to 42 days after their first vaccination. Participants are planned to be followed for up to 24 months, for
assessments of safety and efficacy against COVID-19 disease.

285007 Ben, 2, #1070 of 1936 🔗
285012 alw, replying to alw, 26, #1071 of 1936 🔗

Seen in the Spectator:

”People who have been vaccinated will still have to self-isolate if they are contacted by NHS Test and Trace, the Telegraph reports . Health authorities say this is because it is not yet known whether the vaccine stops people transmitting the virus.”

One has to ask what that is the point of the vaccine? What if those elderly in care homes who have capacity to consent refuse the vaccine? The elderly in care homes are the first in line to receive the vaccination. All hell will break loose if one of them passes away due to the vaccine. This is a veritable timebomb.

285069 ▶▶ annie, replying to alw, 5, #1072 of 1936 🔗

You are so right.
And I am so glad I no longer have any relatives in the firing line.

285233 ▶▶ John P, replying to alw, 2, #1073 of 1936 🔗

“Health authorities say this is because it is not yet known whether the vaccine stops people transmitting the virus.”

It will if it works. Vaccines are supposed to prevent you from becoming infected in the first place. And you can’t pass on a bug that you don’t have.

285237 ▶▶ Bugle, replying to alw, 3, #1074 of 1936 🔗

How many £billion are we talking? A snip. We don’t even know if it works.

285423 ▶▶ Ben, replying to alw, 3, #1075 of 1936 🔗

WTF! To laugh or cry?

The Corona Scandal is the most epic farce in human history

285013 AN other lockdown sceptic, 30, #1076 of 1936 🔗

Commercial reality …
comment image

From daily Spectator CCP Virus email.

285018 alw, replying to alw, #1077 of 1936 🔗

Freedoms vs Permissions – a liberal look at the Court of Appeal judgment on the coronavirus regulations

https://davidallengreen.com/2020/12/freedoms-vs-permissions-a-liberal-look-at-the-court-of-appeal-judgment-on-the-coronavirus-regulation/

285319 ▶▶ RickH, replying to alw, 1, #1078 of 1936 🔗

In this, the judiciary has de facto crumbled in supporting the idea of essentially unrestricted power for the executive.

What it underlines is that British constitutional arrangements, far from being full of practical wisdom and ‘flexibility’ are a chimera – a pack of flimsy cards at best.

285021 richard riewer, replying to richard riewer, 1, #1079 of 1936 🔗

Amos Milburn Let’s have a party:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r0rkwIPQPYo

285458 ▶▶ DJ Dod, replying to richard riewer, #1080 of 1936 🔗

Great tune. Here’s one from Larry Dale that you might enjoy:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3LGHxDvREfE

285023 Victoria, 1, #1081 of 1936 🔗

Interesting look at the propaganda and smear tactics used re the MMR jab.

https://twitter.com/1Mirror1978/status/1334606671382016004

Dispatches. MMR: What They Didn’t Tell You BMJ 2004 ; 329 doi: https://doi.org/10.1136/bmj.329.7477.1293&nbsp ; (Published 25 November 2004)

https://www.bmj.com/rapid-response/2011/10/30/mmr-and-single-measles-mumps-and-rubella-vaccines-real-facts

285032 awildgoose, replying to awildgoose, 1, #1082 of 1936 🔗

The latest trick in the US is increased availability of rapid result testing so larger positive test numbers can be generated more rapidly.

285421 ▶▶ Ben, replying to awildgoose, #1083 of 1936 🔗

Rapid fake positive results for healthy people

Even a child could see how corrupt this is

285037 davews, 7, #1084 of 1936 🔗

A tad late on show here today, had a relatively busy morning. First a trip to Tesco, quite a few of us unmasked and most of the checkout girls were. Nice chat to the one who served me, was interested where I got my (government) exemption lanyard from and also informed her that GPs are not issuing certificates which surprised her.

Then up to our town centre, quite a long time since I have been there when the shops have been open. Moderately busy. Into Specsavers to get my hearing aid tubes changed. Big NHS App QR code at entry – ‘do you have the NHS app on your phone?’ ‘No, no phone’. They had to take my details anyway so they could sort out my aids so no big issue. Their sanitiser dispensed far more than I wanted so sticky hands all the time. Puzzled why the assistants sanitised their hands multiple times in just the few minutes I was there. Anyway, aids sorted then a quick walk around the town centre but didn’t pop into anywhere, most shops open, queues outside the banks but apart from Card Factory nowhere else.

50% masked outside but saw quite a few entering shops without so maybe the tide is turning.

285045 masker of puppets, replying to masker of puppets, 39, #1085 of 1936 🔗

Very encouraging – popped to BM Bargains in Canterbury to pick up some bulbs for my wife to plant. Was not looking forward to being out in public after being pelted with shoes by irate covidphobes on my last trip to the shops. This time 30-40% of shoppers not wearing a mask. There were other maskless people entering the shop when I did, maskless people everywhere I looked whilst in the shop (and also some with masks when I initially walked past them who later took them off), and maskless people entering as I left. Masks are obviously a brilliant way for the wicked government to headcount compliance but equally a really good way for us dissenters to measure dissent!

285047 ▶▶ Lockdown_Lunacy, replying to masker of puppets, 14, #1086 of 1936 🔗

It’s a nice feeling when someone lowers their mask below their chin or removes it after seeing you.

285066 ▶▶ annie, replying to masker of puppets, 8, #1087 of 1936 🔗

Well done, puppet masker!

285095 ▶▶ Fingerache Philip., replying to masker of puppets, 7, #1088 of 1936 🔗

Yes, I must admit that I’ve noticed an increase in mask free people lately although in “Cardstop” in Kidderminster yesterday my wife forgot to put her nappy on and she told me that she could literally feel the “eyes of hatred burning into her” from the sheep.

285101 ▶▶ Ceriain, replying to masker of puppets, 6, #1089 of 1936 🔗

bulbs for my wife to plant

Doing some ‘light’ gardening?

285130 ▶▶▶ masker of puppets, replying to Ceriain, 3, #1090 of 1936 🔗

Personally I would have screwed them into the light fittings, but I bow to her superior horticultural expertise – maybe she’s making an underground hoard for when society collapses.

285741 ▶▶ CGL, replying to masker of puppets, 1, #1091 of 1936 🔗

Wow – 30-40%!!! That’s amazing!

285052 mikewaite, replying to mikewaite, 14, #1092 of 1936 🔗

I have a question for the more knowledgeable people here, concerning a possible effect on the blood transfusion service of a large number of vaccinated donors.
I remember at the time of the BSE problem that people from England were not allowed to be donors in the US because of fears of prions in their blood causing vCJD in recipients of the blood.
Similar restrictions apply to HIV/AIDS sufferers.
After many years of being a blood donor I was told to stop because of suspected vitiligo , one cause of which is an auto immune disease.
So my question is : should the blood transfusion service reject vaccinated donors because of the foreign RNA in their blood?
If so what would be the impact on surgery ?

285083 ▶▶ Lisa (formerly) from Toronto, replying to mikewaite, 6, #1093 of 1936 🔗

That’s an excellent question. Obviously you can’t always predict when you might need a blood transfusion, but I believe if you have a scheduled surgery you can bank your own blood in advance. The laws are different everywhere and I don’t believe you can do directed blood donation here, by which I mean if you need blood in an emergency you can get a family member with the same blood type to donate. I’m not 100% sure about this but you raise a great point and I’d be hesitant to accept a blood transfusion from someone who had been vaccinated.

285085 ▶▶ Bella Donna, replying to mikewaite, 2, #1094 of 1936 🔗

Based on what you say I’d say yes but HIV and CJD pose a real danger. This coronavirus isn’t so lethal but……..

285465 ▶▶▶ dickyboy, replying to Bella Donna, #1095 of 1936 🔗

But it’s not coronavirus that the blood service might be rejecting. It’s the vaccine.

285504 ▶▶ richard riewer, replying to mikewaite, #1096 of 1936 🔗

What about future blood donors?

285053 Cecil B, replying to Cecil B, 3, #1097 of 1936 🔗
285056 ▶▶ Lockdown_Lunacy, replying to Cecil B, 2, #1098 of 1936 🔗

They’re not finding enough COVID. They don’t like that.

285062 ▶▶ Llamasaurus Rex, replying to Cecil B, 2, #1099 of 1936 🔗

Completely Utterly Negative Twats.

285096 ▶▶ Ceriain, replying to Cecil B, 1, #1100 of 1936 🔗

Nonsense! These things are the dogs bollocks! The brigadier says so.

https://twitter.com/Darren_Dutton/status/1325918440255840256

285054 Llamasaurus Rex, replying to Llamasaurus Rex, 6, #1101 of 1936 🔗

Can anyone help organise a poll?

I will copy a summary of this post and replies to LDS’ email.
the basic idea is: “what’s most evil?”:
masking humans (dehumanising us)
social distancing (ditto)
micro-managing lives (inc gaslighting via weekly rule changes inclusive of internal inconstencies)
shutting businesses and destroying livelihoods (and lifetime acquired savings/collateral) without any (or in some cases, full) compensation
mandating vaccine (violating us)
etc
etc

we need a good list. I’m rubbish at this, but please help with the gist my dear comrades!

maybe a poll is a bad idea, but it’s got legs for me (from a four-legged llamasaur 🦙 )

285064 ▶▶ annie, replying to Llamasaurus Rex, 4, #1102 of 1936 🔗

deliberately inducing and maintaining terror

285180 ▶▶▶ Llamasaurus Rex, replying to annie, 1, #1103 of 1936 🔗

Keep ‘em coming

285163 ▶▶ Two-Six, replying to Llamasaurus Rex, 2, #1104 of 1936 🔗

The blanket censorship across all media platforms of anything that goes against the official narrative.

285185 ▶▶▶ Crystal Decanter, replying to Two-Six, 2, #1105 of 1936 🔗

Do not use the legacy media for any thing other than titillation
plenty of alternatives
Telegram
Bitchute
Minds
Gab
Parler

285195 ▶▶ Andrew K, replying to Llamasaurus Rex, #1106 of 1936 🔗

Using social engineering to entice fear

285231 ▶▶ Two-Six, replying to Llamasaurus Rex, 2, #1107 of 1936 🔗

Using public shaming, threats, coercion and peer pressure as a tool to ensure compliance with face nappy wearing

285058 TheBigman, replying to TheBigman, 16, #1108 of 1936 🔗

HYPOCRISY!

We need to shield the vulnerable, it is too difficult to do, so everyone stay at home. Home transmissions are effecting the vulnerable.

Quick give the vaccine first to the vulnerable. Give the VIRUS to the vulnerable first.

WHAT COULD GO WRONG!

285070 ▶▶ stewart, replying to TheBigman, 14, #1109 of 1936 🔗

Heard this morning how NHS workers aren’t going to be the first in line after all. They’ve got old frail people who can’t speak up for themselves and low paid care home workers to take the first bullets… I mean vaccines.

285072 Bella Donna, replying to Bella Donna, 21, #1110 of 1936 🔗

The government couldn’t run a bath. Don’t they ever feel just a little bit embarrassed? We no longer have a a pandemic, if we ever had one in the first place! They’ll be selling this vaccine on Ebay soon, BOGOF! 😅

The news the NHS are not being vaccinated first confirms what I already suspected, so no thanks. They can take as many propaganda photos of the great and the good rolling up their sleeves. I’m still not having it! Sorry Bill!

285089 ▶▶ stewart, replying to Bella Donna, 4, #1111 of 1936 🔗

The very old and the low income care home workers are going to be the first going over the top.

285097 ▶▶▶ Cecil B, replying to stewart, 4, #1112 of 1936 🔗

Tally Ho!

285501 ▶▶▶ richard riewer, replying to stewart, 1, #1113 of 1936 🔗

Worse than Jonestown.

285115 ▶▶ A. Contrarian, replying to Bella Donna, 5, #1114 of 1936 🔗

They’ve already discussed giving free lottery tickets in exchange for the jab I believe.

285137 ▶▶▶ Bella Donna, replying to A. Contrarian, 3, #1115 of 1936 🔗

😂 😂 😂 .

285075 Kieran, replying to Kieran, 6, #1116 of 1936 🔗

A parliament of whores.

285119 ▶▶ Biker, replying to Kieran, 5, #1117 of 1936 🔗

Nothing wrong with whores, they people in Parliament are the scum of the earth. Whores will fuck you for money, these people in Parliament will sell bombs to despots. I know who’s company i’d rather keep

285133 ▶▶ Bella Donna, replying to Kieran, 1, #1118 of 1936 🔗

But who arent very good at it either. 🤣 🤣 🤣

285081 Biker, replying to Biker, 24, #1119 of 1936 🔗

Turns out in the real world the thought of taking this vaccine isn’t going down too well. lol. What a shit show.

285087 ▶▶ Bob Cat, replying to Biker, 5, #1120 of 1936 🔗

My fear is that in January, people will consider it the only way out and take it.

285112 ▶▶▶ Biker, replying to Bob Cat, 18, #1121 of 1936 🔗

They won’t and the way out is to tell the state to go fuck themselves. Get health care insurance and fuck the NHS. It’s all over now. Most people do not believe in this despite the media lies

285129 ▶▶▶▶ Bella Donna, replying to Biker, 3, #1122 of 1936 🔗

Biker your colourful phrasing never fails to make me smile. 😂

285135 ▶▶▶▶▶ Biker, replying to Bella Donna, 6, #1123 of 1936 🔗

the thing is i never swear while i’m speaking, i would never embarrass myself like that in public.

285149 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Bella Donna, replying to Biker, 2, #1124 of 1936 🔗

FGS Don’t feel embarrassed, if we didn’t have a release valve to let off steam think how bad it could get.

285225 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Biker, replying to Bella Donna, 2, #1125 of 1936 🔗

Standards must not slip under any circumstance, that’s what separates the British from the chaff.

285264 ▶▶▶▶ RickH, replying to Biker, #1126 of 1936 🔗

Dream on. ‘mostpeople’ – i.e a majority – certainly do believe it to a greater or lesser degree.

… and handing money to the corporates and bankers for ‘health care insurance’ is just feeding the current problem and its origins – like holding out your wrists to have the handcuffs put on. Very libertarian! Dream on.

285288 ▶▶▶▶▶ Biker, replying to RickH, #1127 of 1936 🔗

bro you haven’t a clue. if i engage private insurance for services i might require seems pretty libertarian to me. Taking money from my pocket so you can use it doesn’t.

285608 ▶▶▶▶ dhid, replying to Biker, #1128 of 1936 🔗

Get health care insurance and fuck the NHS”

We need our “contributions” back to help with the cost, preferably with interest covering all the times they didn’t provide the cover they should have done, in my experience that’s pretty much all the time!


285113 ▶▶▶ A. Contrarian, replying to Bob Cat, 5, #1129 of 1936 🔗

Maybe before Van Tam told us that it won’t actually make any difference to restrictions, masking, self isolation rules etc. But now? Not so sure.

285156 ▶▶▶▶ Bella Donna, replying to A. Contrarian, 3, #1130 of 1936 🔗

If it won’t make any difference then what is the freakin point? 😤

285256 ▶▶▶ RickH, replying to Bob Cat, #1131 of 1936 🔗

I fear that you’re right about quite a number – and the rest will actually believe it.

285358 ▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to Bob Cat, #1132 of 1936 🔗

Even having the vaccine isn’t the way out. JVT told everyone this a couple a days ago. Lockdown will still be in place, masks will be worn, and we will still be social distancing. Civil liberties will not be returned easily.

285116 ▶▶ Janice21, replying to Biker, 9, #1133 of 1936 🔗

I have noticed a lot of pro lockdown people now very wary and saying they won’t take the vaccine. Some do have a brain after all.

285126 ▶▶▶ Biker, replying to Janice21, 4, #1134 of 1936 🔗

Hardly anyone will take this vaccine, off course they won’t. Open up society now or they will have to be forced.

285176 ▶▶▶ kenadams, replying to Janice21, 8, #1135 of 1936 🔗

One of my friends. Not a complete no-hoper but only 25% anti-lockdown has told me he won’t take the vaccine until at least a couple of years down the line, when it will be known if it is safe longer term.

A couple of other friends have commented on the speed of both production and regulatory approval.

And, virtually everyone who is pro-vax is only doing it because they think afterwards we’ll get back to proper normal. The comments by JVT really won’t have gone down well.

Perhaps I’m an eternal optimist, but I do think the government has misread the mood music on all of this.

285273 ▶▶▶▶ RickH, replying to kenadams, #1136 of 1936 🔗

Perhaps I’m an eternal optimist”

Not necessarily – but certainly hoping against the grain of evidence.

285120 ▶▶ calchas, replying to Biker, 9, #1137 of 1936 🔗

Yeah – the conformist herd is finally confronted with a decision that has consequences.

285276 ▶▶▶ RickH, replying to calchas, 1, #1138 of 1936 🔗

No ‘finally’ about it – they’ve been swallowing the stream of shit they’ve been offered since April.

285124 ▶▶ Crystal Decanter, replying to Biker, 16, #1139 of 1936 🔗

Even the thickest of thickos must know deep down that you do not need a vaccine against a virus with a 99% survival rate

285280 ▶▶▶ RickH, replying to Crystal Decanter, 1, #1140 of 1936 🔗

… but they don’t ‘know’ that, at all. They think it’s far more dangerous.

285091 Nobody2020, replying to Nobody2020, 16, #1141 of 1936 🔗

Just a couple of notes:

  1. There are some people calling for punishment to those who refuse to take a mandatory vaccine, e.g. loss of certain freedoms, no medical treatment, ridicule and all manner of other things.
  2. There are apparently a lot of front line workers reluctant to have a mandatory vaccine…
285099 ▶▶ JohnB, replying to Nobody2020, 1, #1142 of 1936 🔗

‘some people’ ?!?

285144 ▶▶▶ leggy, replying to JohnB, 4, #1143 of 1936 🔗

The sort of people who like to pull the legs off spiders and the wings off flies.

285353 ▶▶ JohnB, replying to Nobody2020, #1144 of 1936 🔗

Are those people the MSM and the bots that poison peoples minds on Social Media?

285416 ▶▶ Ben, replying to Nobody2020, #1145 of 1936 🔗

It’s not mandatory

285092 Cecil B, replying to Cecil B, 24, #1146 of 1936 🔗

60,000 jobs lost in retail in the past seven days

That’s 60,000 extra people living off the state (through no fault of their own)

60,000 less paying tax and national insurance

Huge loss in business rates, VAT and employers national insurance contributions

60,000 people not spending and therefore not keeping other people in employment who go on to spend, generate tax etc

A large portion of this trade will go to Amazon who pay minimal tax in the
UK. As long as Amazon keep making huge secret payments to the offshore arms of the political parties everyone is fair game

Anyway, how is operation Save the High Street going?

285413 ▶▶ Ben, replying to Cecil B, 1, #1147 of 1936 🔗

How else can Jeff Bezos build his Versailles?

285100 calchas, replying to calchas, 28, #1148 of 1936 🔗

Who believes this pandemic crap anymore – it’s such transparent nonsense?

285107 ▶▶ Janice21, replying to calchas, 8, #1149 of 1936 🔗

Don’t know if its coincidence but I’m noticing more non mask wearers these past few days.

285125 ▶▶▶ Bella Donna, replying to Janice21, 3, #1150 of 1936 🔗

Good. We’re going into our town tomorrow so will be able to gauge any difference from our last visit.

285108 ▶▶ stewart, replying to calchas, 8, #1151 of 1936 🔗

A LOT of people.

I’m involved in the Liberty2019 campaign which is simply advocating a full return of civil liberties, A bunch of university students quit because they thought advocating for civil liberties before the “pandemic is over” is anti-vax.

285118 ▶▶▶ calchas, replying to stewart, 6, #1152 of 1936 🔗

Well, tell them you’ll get back to them in ten years time.

285752 ▶▶▶ nocheesegromit, replying to stewart, #1153 of 1936 🔗

Does this campaign have a website/a Twitter account? TIA

285817 ▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to stewart, #1154 of 1936 🔗

Hilarious.

285114 ▶▶ annie, replying to calchas, 14, #1155 of 1936 🔗

Zombies believe it.
Like the dead-eyed moron I met in Smith’s this morning. Quite convinced that if she passed within six feet of me, she’d die horribly.
She won’t. .But if she did, there would be no loss to humanity.
Let’s have our own Great Reset: a world without zombies.

285121 ▶▶▶ Dave #KBF, replying to annie, 21, #1156 of 1936 🔗

Trying to convince a 71 year old healthy friend of mine not to rush in to getting the vaccine…

Ah but they would not put the vaccine out if it is not safe and besides once we have had the vaccine this will be over.

Deluded.

285136 ▶▶▶▶ Janice21, replying to Dave #KBF, 11, #1157 of 1936 🔗

My MIL says she is having a big family get together and party to celebrate once the vaccine is rolled out and we are all ‘safe’. I will be requiring a lot of G & Ts for that.

285147 ▶▶▶▶▶ Two-Six, replying to Janice21, 1, #1158 of 1936 🔗

Mental

285148 ▶▶▶▶▶ Achilles, replying to Janice21, 6, #1159 of 1936 🔗

Might be worth mentioning to her that even when it’s rolled out that she probably still won’t be able to and definitely not if T&T says no. Might start to see the light.

285151 ▶▶▶▶▶ Crystal Decanter, replying to Janice21, 3, #1160 of 1936 🔗

Make sure you have the Quinine tonic – probably more effective than the vaccine

285155 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Janice21, replying to Crystal Decanter, #1161 of 1936 🔗

Laced with zinc and vitamin d

285228 ▶▶▶▶ John P, replying to Dave #KBF, 2, #1162 of 1936 🔗

Deluded yes, but it’s still his or her choice.

285165 ▶▶▶ Stuart, replying to annie, 2, #1163 of 1936 🔗

Swerve toward them and watch them piss themselves.

285170 ▶▶ Andrew K, replying to calchas, 4, #1164 of 1936 🔗

Unfortunately just had our usual Friday “Free to discuss anything” work virtual meeting, and I stand alone on this pandemic crap, in their eyes, (40 people) I’m a holocaust denier. Still lots of work ahead of us.

285809 ▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to Andrew K, #1165 of 1936 🔗

Well done Andrew – not easy being the only one; especially in a work environment where the most effective insults and terms of abuse are deemed unprofessional.

285252 ▶▶ RickH, replying to calchas, 3, #1166 of 1936 🔗

Too many, I’m afraid. Ignoring the ‘rules’ shouldn’t be mistaken for disbelieving them.

But keep plugging on.

285497 ▶▶ richard riewer, replying to calchas, 1, #1167 of 1936 🔗

If you are still riddled with doubt about whether to be vaccinated or not read this:

https://abcnews.go.com/Business/pfizer-fined-2.3-billion-illegal-marketing-off-label/story?id=8477617

285104 Crystal Decanter, replying to Crystal Decanter, 12, #1168 of 1936 🔗

Drakeford and the Taffia in Wales are already talking about “delaying” the upcoming elections due to the big scary cold

285153 ▶▶ Stuart, replying to Crystal Decanter, 3, #1169 of 1936 🔗

Abolition of the National Assembly will make their elections superfluous.

285187 ▶▶ TimeIsNow, replying to Crystal Decanter, 14, #1170 of 1936 🔗

Yes we must all be worried about whether there will be elections again. The London mayor should have faced voters in June I believe.
Just an aside, I’ve changed tack when I talk to pro-lockdowners, (unfortunately most of the people I meet to some extent). I tell them that I think the changes are permanent. The puzzled expression I get back and the lack of pro-lockdown BS in the response makes me think this is a good way to go. A majority still think that this is going to end with freedom and street parties. I’ve not heard even a hint from any official talking about vaccination that anything will change as a result of it. PCR positives won’t budge unless the loons in charge want them to and reduce the cycles or scrap mass testing, (to state the obvious).
Where I live in Staffordshire there are proper road signs with covid propaganda on. Big aluminium things like stop signs. Looks very permanent to me. We need to encourage people to notice.

285192 ▶▶▶ Julian, replying to TimeIsNow, 6, #1171 of 1936 🔗

Indeed

Tier 1 is the New Normal

285803 ▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to TimeIsNow, #1172 of 1936 🔗

Big aluminium things like stop signs.

They’d fetch a good price at a scrap yard. Best melt them, or otherwise obscure their origin first, like.

285214 ▶▶ Mr Dee, replying to Crystal Decanter, 3, #1173 of 1936 🔗

They talked about that months ago. It’s the only way they’ll be able to stay in power.

285127 Schrodinger, replying to Schrodinger, 14, #1174 of 1936 🔗

Once again apologies if this has been posted before always difficult to check in 1000+ posts. But isn’t this graph the only one we need? All cause UK mortality (pop adj).

2020 will be the 14th highest death toll in the last 30 years. (Deaths per 1000 population)

285141 ▶▶ Two-Six, replying to Schrodinger, 2, #1175 of 1936 🔗

The Mother Of All Graphs

285145 ▶▶ Stuart, replying to Schrodinger, 6, #1176 of 1936 🔗

2021 will the highest in thirty years and all of it spun to Covid.

285183 ▶▶ Liam, replying to Schrodinger, 4, #1177 of 1936 🔗

Yep, that’s all anyone needs to know. 58 more deaths in October this year than last, across the whole of England and Wales.

285213 ▶▶ Andrew K, replying to Schrodinger, #1178 of 1936 🔗

Have you got a link to that chart, I went to the ons site as shown on that chart but can only find csv/xls files. Having an online arqument with a bunch of lockdown zealots who are convinced and stating as fact that there’s 60k excess deaths this year. Would be nice to scramble their brains with that chart

285239 ▶▶▶ Schrodinger, replying to Andrew K, #1179 of 1936 🔗

Chart calculated from those sources and I obtained it from a Simon Dolan tweet

https://twitter.com/simondolan/status/1334880427002179588

285344 ▶▶▶▶ Andrew K, replying to Schrodinger, #1180 of 1936 🔗

Thanks I’ve posted that, lets see how they twist the figures around. Oh but it’s low because of lockdown, or some shit like that! If ONS stats can’t get through to people then these people don’t deserve to be on this planet.

285246 ▶▶▶ RickH, replying to Andrew K, 2, #1181 of 1936 🔗

A telling illustration of the misleading nature of the term ‘excess deaths’ that I tediously bang on about. Select an inappropriate, short baseline and regression line, and the unremarkable becomes ‘excess’.

The term has been massively abused by those stoking hysteria.

285247 ▶▶▶ Julian, replying to Andrew K, 2, #1182 of 1936 🔗

Well “excess deaths” is a moveable feast depending on where you set the baseline. There have certainly been more deaths this year than in recent years, but it’s nothing exceptional, especially when you widen the context to go back a little further. Covid MAY have set us back 10 years or so in terms of longevity, though we’re not really going to know how long that setback will last for another few years.

People have got used to longevity increasing forever and that’s not realistic.

Also bear mind that lockdown and the closure of hospitals may well have contributed to avoidable deaths. Certainly some countries have seen a much less pronounced increase (Germany I think) which may be in part due to how they managed healthcare provision.

Finally, there’s no evidence lockdowns saved any lives.

285243 ▶▶ RickH, replying to Schrodinger, 2, #1183 of 1936 🔗

Another view : If you take the ‘flu’ season (Winter/Spring 2019/2020) – which gives full weight to the ‘epidemic’ spike of April – it was the 8th highest mortality season since 1993/4. This summer/autumn has been lower than usual mortality overall, with the autumn rise chugging along in the middle of the range (about 15th).

Put both time spans in the frame, and the different analyses show the same picture : that the government claim of an ‘unprecedented’ event is sheer, undeniable baloney.

Next fact : the large majority of MPs are too dim to recognise sheer baloney when faced with it. These essential facts have been available since May to anyone with a basic spreadsheet capability.

285334 ▶▶▶ Richard Pinch, replying to RickH, #1184 of 1936 🔗

Or you could try this graph …

285329 ▶▶ Richard Pinch, replying to Schrodinger, 1, #1185 of 1936 🔗

An interesting graph. What it shows is that all the years with higher mortality were more than 17 years ago, and all the years with lower mortality were less than 17 years ago. In other words, the death rate has been trending downwards for the past 30 years, which is a Good Thing. Except this year. Which is a Bad Thing.

285495 ▶▶▶ Tim Bidie, replying to Richard Pinch, 1, #1186 of 1936 🔗

And what was the major differential this year?

A minor viral epidemic (which happens most years) or the hysterical overreaction?

‘Via its Department of Health and Social Care (DHSC), the government in mid-March adopted a policy, executed by NHS England and NHS Improvement, that led to 25,000 patients, including those infected or possibly infected with COVID-19 who had not been tested, being discharged from hospital into care homes between 17 March and 15 April—exponentially increasing the risk of transmission to the very population most at risk of severe illness and death from the disease. With no access to testing, severe shortages of PPE, insufficient staff, and limited guidance, care homes were overwhelmed. Although care home deaths were not even being counted in daily official figures of COVID-19 deaths until 29 April, some 4,300 care home deaths were reported in a single fortnight during this period.’

‘The UK government, national agencies, and local-level bodies have taken decisions and adopted policies during the COVID-19 pandemic that have directly violated the human rights of older residents of care homes in England—notably their right to life, their right to health, and their right to non-discrimination. These decisions and policies have also impacted the rights of care home residents to private and family life….’

https://www.amnesty.org.uk/files/2020-10/Care%20Homes%20Report.pdf

A very bad thing indeed……..

And then they cleared the hospitals again on 18 September……..

Worse than bad, quite possibly criminal……

285547 ▶▶▶▶ Richard Pinch, replying to Tim Bidie, #1187 of 1936 🔗

At this point, I’m not saying what might be the cause of the excess mortality this year, merely that there is such an excess, and comparisons with historical data that purport to to show that there is no effect at all are misguided.

If you look at the graph I posted, from David Spiegelhalter’s twitter feed, it shows both a Covid and a non-Covid excess.

285637 ▶▶▶▶▶ Tim Bidie, replying to Richard Pinch, #1188 of 1936 🔗

The Amnesty International report is very clear as to what caused the excess mortality.

The common cold, introduced into care homes, is lethal, known about for years:

‘Unexpectedly Higher Morbidity and Mortality of Hospitalized Elderly Patients Associated with Rhinovirus Compared with Influenza Virus Respiratory Tract Infection’
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5343795/

God bless Mr Spiegelhalter but he has no more idea than you do as to what constitutes covid or non covid mortality:

‘…. regarding deaths, we must consider carefully Covid19 labelled deaths versus excess deaths. Covid19 labelled deaths depend on subjective parameters….’

https://www.cebm.net/covid-19/pcr-positives-what-do-they-mean/

Straw man arguments have no place here:

comparisons with historical data that purport to to show that there is no effect’

The comparative chart that you refer to simply states:

‘2020 will be the 14th highest death toll in the last 30 years’

That cannot be taken to suggest ‘no effect’, simply perspective that the 2020 death toll manifestly does not justify the hysterical overreaction of government and health service, so much more damaging, as the Amnesty International report indicates, than the minor common cold coronavirus epidemic itself.

285736 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Richard Pinch, replying to Tim Bidie, #1189 of 1936 🔗

he has no more idea than you do as to what constitutes covid or non covid mortality

And you do, I suppose?

286152 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Tim Bidie, replying to Richard Pinch, #1190 of 1936 🔗

Mr Pinch,

Please have the courtesy to read replies to your comments before responding.

‘Covid 19 labelled deaths depend on subjective parameters…’

Reference above.

No-one knows, can know……

That is why overall all cause mortality is the only useful statistic…..and that clearly shows, as per the chart above, that this entire fandango has been a storm in a teacup, which the worst government this country has ever had has somehow, against much good advice, managed to turn into a major economic disaster…….

285132 right2question, replying to right2question, 20, #1191 of 1936 🔗

i watched a bit of dolores cahil yesterday. she said she wouldn’t take the v if paid 10million.

285336 ▶▶ JohnB, replying to right2question, 3, #1192 of 1936 🔗

I’d take it for £10 million cash up front. I’d then get a dialysis team on standby, go have the vaccine, and then straight onto the dialysis to clean that sh*t out of my blood, kerching!

285134 Cecil B, replying to Cecil B, 79, #1193 of 1936 🔗

If I get an appointment for the vaccine I will be attending

Apparently they have allocated 15 minutes for briefing victims on the possible side effects.

I can see my briefing lasting about an hour and a half as I have lots of questions

I will be covertly recoding the exchange before I finally say no thanks

Just my little contribution to the cause

285142 ▶▶ Janice21, replying to Cecil B, 8, #1194 of 1936 🔗

Great idea I might do the same

285175 ▶▶▶ Cecil B, replying to Janice21, 15, #1195 of 1936 🔗

If you manage to nick a bundle of blank health passports I’ll take a dozen

(Note to GCHQ and the rozzers……. only joking)

285253 ▶▶▶▶ Nigel Sherratt, replying to Cecil B, 2, #1196 of 1936 🔗

They’ll be for sale outside the hospital along with the ‘surplus’ from the morphine cabinet.

285204 ▶▶▶ Cecil B, replying to Schrodinger, 1, #1198 of 1936 🔗

Ta

285261 ▶▶ Sam Vimes, replying to Cecil B, 6, #1199 of 1936 🔗

You are awarded the honorary Awkward Git medal.

285293 ▶▶ Jo, replying to Cecil B, 5, #1200 of 1936 🔗

Bloody hell! Brilliant, and brave. Please make sure you send to Toby so we can all see a transcription of your “interview”.
I am iatrophobic so could not get near the building if I thought there was a Covid vaccine in there. As I haven’t been contacted about the flu vaccine I think my GP has dumped me. I’ve ignored all letters for screening etc for the last 10 years. I hope they think I have died or moved.

285512 ▶▶▶ fiery, replying to Jo, 1, #1201 of 1936 🔗

I’m very good at identifying letters from the NHS – the envelope marked private and confidential is always a dead give away. I’ve actually opted out of all health screening tests as I feel they lead to over diagnosis and treatment for things wouldn’t have been an issue if you hadn’t been screened. I dislike hospitals and don’t like the idea of being a perpetual patient.

285138 calchas, replying to calchas, 29, #1202 of 1936 🔗

Three weeks to flatten the curve.

Are the three weeks up yet?

285139 ▶▶ Two-Six, replying to calchas, 10, #1203 of 1936 🔗

Just wait two more weeks

285143 ▶▶▶ Achilles, replying to Two-Six, 9, #1204 of 1936 🔗

All over by Christmas, defo.

285154 ▶▶▶▶ Fingerache Philip., replying to Achilles, 9, #1205 of 1936 🔗

Yeah, but what year?

285158 ▶▶▶▶▶ Achilles, replying to Fingerache Philip., 4, #1206 of 1936 🔗

When’s the next general election?

285232 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ TheOriginalBlackPudding, replying to Achilles, 4, #1207 of 1936 🔗

In three weeks, obviously.

285152 ▶▶▶ leggy, replying to Two-Six, 5, #1208 of 1936 🔗

That’s like the eternal “two more weeks for the 2nd wave!” we heard all summer when people dared to visit a beach isn’t it.

285564 ▶▶▶ Cranmer, replying to Two-Six, 1, #1209 of 1936 🔗

The two weeks are to take place in an as yet unspecified future year.

285161 ▶▶ Stuart, replying to calchas, 3, #1210 of 1936 🔗

A week is a long time in politics.

285172 ▶▶ Crystal Decanter, replying to calchas, #1211 of 1936 🔗

Stay at home to save Granny

285215 ▶▶ Now More Than Ever, replying to calchas, #1212 of 1936 🔗

Just one more push.

285217 ▶▶ DRW, replying to calchas, 1, #1213 of 1936 🔗

We are always at war with Covid.

285227 ▶▶ Tom Blackburn, replying to calchas, 1, #1214 of 1936 🔗

Sombrero = Squashed

285404 ▶▶ Ben, replying to calchas, 1, #1215 of 1936 🔗

Three weeks to test the UK population to see if they’re willing to accept fascistic one world government and inhumanity

285150 Fingerache Philip., replying to Fingerache Philip., 48, #1216 of 1936 🔗

The “experts” keep banging on about protecting the “vulnerable”.
They are totally out of touch with the real world.
Examples of this world: my wife and myself are in our early 70’s and here is an example of our “vulnerable” life.
Sunday: Cooking dinner for my 95 year old mother in law.
Monday: Cleaning our own flat.
Tuesday: Cleaning our 45 year old batchelor son’s flat.
Wednesday:Cleaning mother in law’s 3 bedroom house.
Thursday:Shopping for essential non food items.
Friday: Wife drives 18 miles to see a 60 something friend who is afraid to travel more than 5 miles from home.
Saturday: Food shopping.
I know that we are not the only “vulnerable” people in this situation and there are many many others like us.
Experts: STOP PATRONISING US AND STOP TREATING US LIKE INFANTS.
Like we’ve said before: No concept or understanding of real, normal life.

285162 ▶▶ Cecil B, replying to Fingerache Philip., 30, #1217 of 1936 🔗

Any chance you could clean my flat?

Time to tell bachelor son to get off his arse

285259 ▶▶▶ Fingerache Philip., replying to Cecil B, 4, #1218 of 1936 🔗

Have you ever known a 40 something batchelor ever do any housework?

285410 ▶▶▶▶ Jonathan Castro, replying to Fingerache Philip., #1219 of 1936 🔗

I’ve always done all my housework

285559 ▶▶▶▶ Cranmer, replying to Fingerache Philip., #1220 of 1936 🔗

I’m a 40 something (albeit a divorcee rather than a bachelor) and I clean my house every week! (But point taken).

285331 ▶▶ annie, replying to Fingerache Philip., 3, #1221 of 1936 🔗

Can’t bachelor son clean his own flat? You are too heroic by half!
But I agree – ‘vulnerable’ is an insult.

285531 ▶▶ PastImperfect, replying to Fingerache Philip., 1, #1222 of 1936 🔗

Likewise. We can give you a few years and have continued to do everything for ourselves. The thought of being “vulnerable” and having to sequester is anathema to us.

285157 Cecil B, replying to Cecil B, 5, #1223 of 1936 🔗

Praise be to Nero’s Neptune, the Titanic sails at dawn
Everybody’s shouting, “Which side are you on?!”

Bob Dylan
Desolation Row

285168 ▶▶ TJN, replying to Cecil B, 3, #1224 of 1936 🔗

Lots of ‘Desolation Row’ on here lately.

My favourite verse is:

They all play on the pennywhistle

You can hear them blow

If you lean your head out far enough

From Desolation Row

285190 ▶▶▶ Cecil B, replying to TJN, 6, #1225 of 1936 🔗

Dr. Filth, he keeps his world inside of a leather cup
But all his sexless patients, they’re trying to blow it up
Now his nurse, some local loser, she’s in charge of the cyanide hole
And she also keeps the cards that read, “Have Mercy on His Soul”
They all play on the penny whistles, you can hear them blow
If you lean your head out far enough from Desolation Row

285166 Achilles, replying to Achilles, 13, #1226 of 1936 🔗

I’ve changed the old adage for us:-

Feed a cold,
Starve a fever,
Inject viral genetic material to generate an immune response for Covid.

285184 ▶▶ Stuart, replying to Achilles, 2, #1227 of 1936 🔗

The first two often work.

285189 ▶▶▶ TJN, replying to Stuart, 4, #1228 of 1936 🔗

Along with good whisky.

285216 ▶▶ Crystal Decanter, replying to Achilles, 3, #1229 of 1936 🔗

Injected by the state
Now I’m a believer

285174 Liam, replying to Liam, 37, #1230 of 1936 🔗

Just heard from a friend who’s upset as her Mum was found collapsed at home and is now in hospital. It’s not a surprise, she’s 90 and very frail, and the family have been expecting the end for a while. Friend tells me that all the ambulance people or receptionists, doctors, nurses etc want to talk about is the bloody Rona. Never mind what they should be doing, which is making an elderly lady comfortable at the end of her life so she can die peacefully of old age among her family. She’ll die frightened and alone surrounded by masked goons and will no doubt be chalked up as another one for the fake virus death figures.

285179 ▶▶ Stuart, replying to Liam, 7, #1231 of 1936 🔗

Tragic but true.

285207 ▶▶ stewart, replying to Liam, 6, #1232 of 1936 🔗

Incite widespread, irrational fear and you get inhuman, cruel behaviour.

285257 ▶▶▶ Sam Vimes, replying to stewart, 3, #1233 of 1936 🔗

And don’t forget control.

285177 theanalyst, replying to theanalyst, 4, #1234 of 1936 🔗

I think its a shocker that we now know the area where I reside, which is listed as CIS sub region “Reading; Wokingham; Hart; Rushmoor” in the latest ONS Covid19 Infection survey data, had, in the period 22 to 28 Nov, the LOWEST ONS “Percentage Testing Positive’ in England, at just 0.25%.

Doris and Handcock made a mistake because “Cornwall; Isles of Scilly” were only in second place at 0.27%. How come my region is in Tier 2 and not Tier 1?

Clearly this is not fair and perhaps I could write to my useless MP who could get his mates to sort out this obvious error in the next couple of days so everyone around here can meet their mates in the pub?

285201 ▶▶ RickH, replying to theanalyst, 11, #1235 of 1936 🔗

Rule 1. Don’t ask stupid questions
Rule 2. All questions are stupid, you dumb pleb.
Rule 3. We won’t answer anyway.

285250 ▶▶ Lockdown_Lunacy, replying to theanalyst, 1, #1236 of 1936 🔗

Interesting to know. I’ll see if I can pluck up the energy to write to Jayawardena and be ignored again.

285457 ▶▶ John K, replying to theanalyst, 3, #1237 of 1936 🔗

To quote a comment on this site from a few weeks back- “arguing about what tier you are in is like arguing what prisoner of war hut you are imprisoned in”.

285178 TyRade, replying to TyRade, 49, #1238 of 1936 🔗

Since the Telegraph just cancelled my late contribution to its Lockdown Poetry prize, I thought it might enjoy aa longer shelf life in a more congenial environment.

There once was a sage called Whitty
Who made our lives rather $hitty
He said we’d all die
And that was a lie
But he’s still OK, more’s the pity

285393 ▶▶ Ben, replying to TyRade, 1, #1239 of 1936 🔗

The dollar sign is correct. Same for Vallance and the rest of them

285181 calchas, replying to calchas, 19, #1240 of 1936 🔗

The take-up rate on this vaccine will be the nearest thing we have to a referendum on the question of belief in the official narrative.

Why?

Because of possible irreversible consequences.

Concentrates the mind.

285196 ▶▶ Stuart, replying to calchas, 5, #1241 of 1936 🔗

Irreversible lemmings fear no consequences.

285390 ▶▶ Ben, replying to calchas, #1242 of 1936 🔗

Except corporations, the media, the government have not been impartial

285191 Jay Berger, replying to Jay Berger, 9, #1243 of 1936 🔗

“Incompatibilities: “In the absence of compatibility studies, this medicinal product must not be mixed with other medicinal products.”

Does this mean you can’t be on any other drugs?
If so, that leaves women above age 50 not on other drugs and men above age 16 not on other drugs as target groups.
Which, realistically, means mainly men from age 16 to 50.
Not quite the risk group…..
Looks like a Titanic success already.

285197 ▶▶ Alex, replying to Jay Berger, 2, #1244 of 1936 🔗

You just took the comment right out of my mouth
!
I was about to post the same thing.
Many people are on a wide range of medications for a variety of conditions. Seems a bit like ‘Russian roulette’.

285198 ▶▶ Stuart, replying to Jay Berger, #1245 of 1936 🔗

Musical deckchairs.

285229 ▶▶ Charlie Blue, replying to Jay Berger, 2, #1246 of 1936 🔗

Sadly not. That advice is specific to storage and administration.

285199 Jay Berger, replying to Jay Berger, 4, #1247 of 1936 🔗

The safety profile of the vaccine and its resultingly minuscule target group read as if ‘the scientists’ are just taking the piss out of us.
The question is whether the politicians are doing so too, or whether they are just too dumb to get it?!

285203 ▶▶ John P, replying to Jay Berger, 4, #1248 of 1936 🔗

The politicians have been taking the piss since March. And they’re still dumb.

285200 calchas, replying to calchas, 8, #1249 of 1936 🔗

Memo to covidians.

Surely, if you refuse the vaccine, then you must be a ‘conspracy theorist’?

🙂 🙂 🙂

285211 ▶▶ Ceriain, replying to calchas, #1250 of 1936 🔗

LOL! Clever! 😉

285205 TimeIsNow, replying to TimeIsNow, 2, #1251 of 1936 🔗

Does anyone have the ability to make signs? I’d love to put some stuff up in my area but I’m not sure about using a an online company when they could be mega lockdowners.

285206 ▶▶ John P, replying to TimeIsNow, 2, #1252 of 1936 🔗

I can make a sign with two fingers for Mr Johnson.

285223 ▶▶▶ TimeIsNow, replying to John P, 2, #1253 of 1936 🔗

Not a churchillian V for victory either.

285240 ▶▶▶▶ John P, replying to TimeIsNow, 1, #1254 of 1936 🔗

Indeed, and I can also make one with my middle finger.

285218 ▶▶ stewart, replying to TimeIsNow, 1, #1255 of 1936 🔗

Produce the artwork or the actual signs?

285236 ▶▶▶ TimeIsNow, replying to stewart, #1256 of 1936 🔗

The physical sign really. I’ll post a picture of the revolting thing my council put up. Would be great to get some of those corrugated plastic ones. I’ll ask for suggestions but I would keep it very simple. Maybe just the opposite of what the council one says.

285779 ▶▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to TimeIsNow, #1257 of 1936 🔗

There is bound to be a local sign-maker near you. Ring them, or pop round.

If you need dosh, post on here, with an image of the sign. 🙂

285209 PastImperfect, replying to PastImperfect, 3, #1258 of 1936 🔗

Good discussion of the “vaccine” on today’s UKColumn.

285210 ▶▶ Mr Dee, replying to PastImperfect, 2, #1259 of 1936 🔗

Yes, just watched it. Excellent.

285212 Mr Dee, replying to Mr Dee, 39, #1260 of 1936 🔗

“There are sadly some people who we will never convince who’ve become captured by those sort of conspiracy theorists of the far right, and I don’t think it’s possible to persuade that small group of people,” said Mark Drakeford.

So I’m far right now. Best buddies with Hitler. The Welsh Mussolini. Who’d have thought it! Thanks for sorting that out for me, Drakeford.

By the way, dickhead, you’ve managed to lose the votes of my entire family – all three living generations – a family that had historically voted Labour since the very dawn of that party. Well done.

285220 ▶▶ Julian, replying to Mr Dee, 16, #1261 of 1936 🔗

This is and will continue to be very common – smear anyone who dissents as either a crank, a sociopath or “far right”. The BBC like to throw QANON in, and of course Trump being vaguely sceptical (and Bolsonaro more so) adds fuel to that fire. That’s why they hate Sweden so much and are desperate to see it fail, because it doesn’t fit.

285224 ▶▶ Cecil B, replying to Mr Dee, 9, #1262 of 1936 🔗

40% of the NHS far right?. He has lost it now

285230 ▶▶▶ Mr Dee, replying to Cecil B, 24, #1263 of 1936 🔗

I look forward to telling my wife when she gets home that she is now far right. Heil Hitler!

By the way, she works for the NHS, and the majority in her (smallish) department are very dubious of the vaccine. I also know very high-up NHS managers who are adamant they won’t take it. Far-right fuckers that they are.

285238 ▶▶ James Hargrave, replying to Mr Dee, 2, #1264 of 1936 🔗

Don’t insult the memory of the late Italian prime minister

285254 ▶▶ Sam Vimes, replying to Mr Dee, 4, #1265 of 1936 🔗

It’s true, Mr. Dee. You read this site, so you must be, like the rest of us – by far right!

285255 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to Mr Dee, 4, #1266 of 1936 🔗

I heard this yesterday from a local self appointed community leader.

He said we needed to remember all hose who have been impacted by mental issues having been taken in by dangerous narratives. Total dismissal of the effects of lockdown then.

They’ll say anything to feed their own sense of virtue

285278 ▶▶ Al T, replying to Mr Dee, 9, #1267 of 1936 🔗

I think the tenor it most on here is that we’ve made our own risk assessments and decided that we’d like to get on with our own lives. And we’d like the same for everyone else.

Why do so many grown up people constantly whine about the government giving them clarity. It’s just bloody infantile.

Certainly, that’s true for me.

If these are the traits of the far right, well, I’m probably now an anarchist.

285321 ▶▶ Ben, replying to Mr Dee, 5, #1268 of 1936 🔗

This is how surreal and upside down it all is

Politicians who are drunk on power and who are issuing diktats usually associated with far-right regimes are labelling the victims of their far-right diktats far-right

None of this is helped by the complete silence of the Left and of the unions

285658 ▶▶▶ annie, replying to Ben, 1, #1269 of 1936 🔗

For Dungford, anybody to the right of Beria is too far right,

285653 ▶▶ annie, replying to Mr Dee, 1, #1270 of 1936 🔗

Dungford has got one thing right. I am utterly unpersuadable by his stalinist filth.

285222 DRW, 5, #1271 of 1936 🔗

We are going to rural Dorset over Christmas and found one huge cottage advertising bookings up to 13. Would be an interesting experiment seeing if you can actually book for seven and over. Which is definitely inciting the most transmission, according to my University. I’m not letting them forget that claim.

285226 davews, replying to davews, 4, #1272 of 1936 🔗

Down here in leafy Berkshire each year Lapland UK set up camp in the local woods down the road. They put on a special treat for the kids with gnomes and pixies and I expect Santa is hidden inside. Not cheap by half, tickets start at £75 per person, ouch.

Anyway, this year they had to obviously postpone their opening till after lockdown, and have an extended period into January instead. But they have said that those who have booked from tier 3 (we are in tier 2) should not attend and it seems getting refunds is not easy. Loads of irate customers and some locals crying out ‘we don’t want tier 3 people coming here…’.

But the rules are ambiguous. I think they discourage travelling to a lower tier but then say if you go to tier 2 you should follow tier 3 rules. The rules presumably don’t stop you going to a pub or other event in tier 2 but if you are in tier 3 you can’t anyway because they are shut. If I had bought family tickets for several hundred quid I would feel I had a right to use them.

285235 ▶▶ Cecil B, replying to davews, 13, #1273 of 1936 🔗

I’ve heard all the women in tier three are witches

285251 ▶▶ Sam Vimes, replying to davews, 7, #1274 of 1936 🔗

No blacks, no Irish, no dogs, no Tier 3…

285234 Hester, replying to Hester, 23, #1275 of 1936 🔗

The WHO are now supporting a health passport for Covid vaccinations, The WHO is a privately funded organisation its second or perhaps third largest contributor is the Gates foundation, not a country a privately operated foundation headed by a couple that believes that we should all be barcoded with our health records, rather like an object or a food product, or cattle intended for slaughter, you can trace their origins too. So that is how we are regarded as nothing more than products, and products which are potentially dangerous to other products. When is this creeping control by large, organisations under the control of Nazi’s to be ended. We have the World economic forum, The WHO, and the Gates foundation all unelected private bodies holding great sway and influence over elected Governments. We are not pawns in their game of chess, to be used to garner more powers to themselves, these are deeply morally and ethically corrupt people and they need to have their empires taken down,

285244 ▶▶ stewart, replying to Hester, 5, #1276 of 1936 🔗

Gates is the biggest contributor, because his foundation is no 2 and GAVI, which his foundation provides most of its funds for, is no.3

To know Bill Gates’ contribution you need to add up the total for Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation and GAVI.

285245 ▶▶ Eddy, replying to Hester, 8, #1277 of 1936 🔗

The totalitarian tiptoe is being played out right in front of us. They will NEVER stop as long as we comply.

285272 ▶▶ Dave #KBF, replying to Hester, 4, #1278 of 1936 🔗

Until recently wasn’t the USA the biggest contributor, Trump stopped that some months ago.

285241 Sim18, replying to Sim18, 7, #1279 of 1936 🔗

“Tier Patrol”

“The force warned people could face “enforcement action” under public health regulations if they are caught making non-essential journeys into and out of the county – including £200 fines, doubling for further offences up to £6,400.”

I don’t know if North Yorkshire police know they are talking bollocks or not, either way it is worrying. Do they intend enforcing guidelines for which there is no legal basis or are they trying to fighten people?

Section 3.1 of “Coronavirus: the lockdown laws” ( House of Commons Library
https://commonslibrary.parliament.uk/research-briefings/cbp-8875/ ) states:

“Travelling between tiers
The UK Government is advising everyone to “walk or cycle where possible, plan ahead
and avoid busy times and routes when travelling”. (61) People are advised against non-
essential travel in and out of tier three areas. (62) There are no laws prohibiting movement
between tiers. (63)”

The “63” at the end is a link to relevant legislation, Statutory Instrument 1374 (The Health Protection (Coronavirus, Restrictions) (All Tiers) (England) Regulations 2020).

285311 ▶▶ Ben, replying to Sim18, 3, #1280 of 1936 🔗

It’s tyranny. Our politicians know that we know. Do they expect people to vote for them again?

285348 ▶▶▶ Dave #KBF, replying to Ben, 3, #1281 of 1936 🔗

I can see the elections in May of 2021 being cancelled, not many sheep will be worried as they are being kept safe, alas not from tyranny.

285598 ▶▶ Gavroche, replying to Sim18, 1, #1282 of 1936 🔗

“… and avoid busy times and routes when travelling”. Good thing the government hasn’t decided we’ve all only got six days over Christmas to travel to see family, then.

Oh, hang on a moment …

285654 ▶▶ Old Normal, replying to Sim18, 2, #1283 of 1936 🔗

Up here, Police Scotland have said they will not be actively enforcing the travel restrictions or stopping people.

They may speak to people or issue a FPN if they stop a vehicle for a routine reason and then find they’ve flouted the rules.

There are 18 exemptions to the travel restrictions in Scotland though so I think they know it’s pointless just to pull people over. One of the exemptions is ‘essential shopping’ – driving 50 miles for some scotch eggs might count?

285242 Eddy, replying to Eddy, 9, #1284 of 1936 🔗

MasKunts everywhere today. I thought the jab news would have given them some hope?

285248 ▶▶ Jonny S., replying to Eddy, 12, #1285 of 1936 🔗

Here in snowy West Yorkshire more masks seem to be coming off. Had a nice cheery smile from the maskless shop assistant as I bought my lunch. Smiled back like you do when your not wearing one either.

285249 ▶▶ John P, replying to Eddy, #1286 of 1936 🔗

You credit these people with brains, Andrew.

285294 ▶▶▶ Eddy, replying to John P, 1, #1287 of 1936 🔗

Fair point.

285262 ▶▶ calchas, replying to Eddy, 9, #1288 of 1936 🔗

On the contrary, they are terrified that they can’t just play-act any more. Anyone can wear a mask, but my God a vaccine – developed in months, with a new unproven technology…

If you don’t get the jab, then you are a tinfoil hat wearer.

285263 ▶▶ Two-Six, replying to Eddy, 2, #1289 of 1936 🔗

I think in the mind of the sheeple, it’s know that when the weather gets all crap and wintry you get the lurgy. So as the days get more cold and dingy I think it triggers the masking instinct of the heard.

285447 ▶▶ SionnachAirgid, replying to Eddy, #1290 of 1936 🔗

Only 3 of us mask-free in my local Sainsburys in Truro this evening (none of them were staff).

285271 ▶▶ Ceriain, replying to Charlie Blue, 5, #1292 of 1936 🔗

Scientists on the advisory panel said it was ‘likely to be possible’ that people could be freed from social distancing if they were proved immune to coronavirus.

No freedom for me then.

285299 ▶▶▶ vargas99, replying to Ceriain, 4, #1293 of 1936 🔗

Is that immune to any coronavirus, all coronavirus or just SARS COV2?

285350 ▶▶▶▶ Ceriain, replying to vargas99, 1, #1294 of 1936 🔗

Obviously, that’s the ignorant reporter’s words, but do you think any of them, or us, know anymore anyway?

I mean, only a SAGE ‘expert’ would use a phrase like ‘likely to be possible’. We are living in Clown World!

285549 ▶▶▶ A. Contrarian, replying to Ceriain, 2, #1295 of 1936 🔗

I’ve already freed myself to be honest. So have most people I know.

And the thought that this could even begin to be policed is beyond ridiculous.

285645 ▶▶▶ Old Normal, replying to Ceriain, 3, #1296 of 1936 🔗

And how will they prove that when the vaccines won’t make you immune?

Where I am nobody has given a flying fuck about social distancing since masks were introduced.

None of the local shops have hand sanitiser now either.

285383 ▶▶ Ben, replying to Charlie Blue, 2, #1297 of 1936 🔗

Britain has turned into a fascist sh*t hole. SAGE needs changing to SADE. They are sadistic psychopaths

285296 ▶▶ vargas99, replying to arfurmo, 12, #1299 of 1936 🔗

That has basically made my day – what a cunt, he deserves everything that’s coming to him.

285388 ▶▶▶ Iansn, replying to vargas99, 3, #1300 of 1936 🔗

Top man I hope they throw away the key. Champagne socialism at its best.He has a squad around him to take with him too. Makes Derek Hatton look like a saint.

285265 ogri, #1301 of 1936 🔗

https://www.bitchute.com/video/0QFpOQ225dbw/
I wonder if this might be true?

285266 swedenborg, replying to swedenborg, 3, #1302 of 1936 🔗

US.C-19 deaths in children 0-14 years compared to seasonal flu deaths last years. And they never closed schools.(60 million children in the US)

285267 ▶▶ swedenborg, replying to swedenborg, #1303 of 1936 🔗

17 years and a few millions more

285268 bluemoon, replying to bluemoon, 13, #1304 of 1936 🔗

For the ‘now I’ve heard it all department’.
Cornwall Council have announced they will employ stilt walkers as covid marshalls. These people will patrol Cornish towns from 6 pm until midnight.
I’m wondering how long it will take for them to be pushed off their perches by boozed up lads at turning out time.

285274 ▶▶ calchas, replying to bluemoon, 6, #1305 of 1936 🔗

Have you got a link please?

Monty Python time.

This is how civilizations end.

LMFAO

285338 ▶▶▶ Graham3, replying to calchas, 3, #1307 of 1936 🔗

Stilts walkers will remind shoppers of Covid rules

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285361 ▶▶▶▶ calchas, replying to Graham3, 7, #1308 of 1936 🔗

Jesus wept!

Might have known there would be a frickin European grant for it.

285439 ▶▶▶▶ SionnachAirgid, replying to Graham3, 3, #1309 of 1936 🔗

It might be time to hand in the passport and emigrate up country

285302 ▶▶ kh1485, replying to bluemoon, 3, #1310 of 1936 🔗

Sounds like the kind of toss-pottery our Business ‘Improvement’ District would go for.

285498 ▶▶▶ Leemc23, replying to kh1485, #1311 of 1936 🔗

Saffron Walden Bid. EU flags everywhere. Safe seat MP not at all interested.

285327 ▶▶ Ceriain, replying to bluemoon, 1, #1312 of 1936 🔗

‘Marshal’ Law?

285546 ▶▶ dhid, replying to bluemoon, 1, #1313 of 1936 🔗

Wooden stilts? A chainsaw perhaps?

285269 swedenborg, replying to swedenborg, 10, #1314 of 1936 🔗

https://twitter.com/ianmSC/status/1334693981288992768

“New York was held up by our top expert, Dr. Anthony Fauci, as a state that did it “correctly”, with masks, closures, science, etc I have not heard any comments from him on what’s happened since”

285281 ▶▶ Voz 0db, replying to swedenborg, 8, #1315 of 1936 🔗

That’s just the typical graph of a FAKE PANDEMIC supported in the IMPROPER USE of PCR!

285270 godowneasy, replying to godowneasy, 11, #1316 of 1936 🔗

Preparations in the godowneasy household are proceeding well – We are ready for you – we will not be going down easily.

285279 ▶▶ Voz 0db, replying to godowneasy, 3, #1317 of 1936 🔗

That’s it… At this point reality is very SIMPLE: It’s either KILL or be culled.

Until several Jedburgh’s actions aren’t executed nothing will change except the things the SRF & Billionaires via jesters want to CHANGE!

285310 ▶▶ Mr Dee, replying to godowneasy, 6, #1318 of 1936 🔗

Well-trained combat hamsters there. My home-defences rely on a platoon of killer-squirrels. No intruder will get through to the hallway alive.

285405 ▶▶▶ Mark, replying to Mr Dee, 5, #1319 of 1936 🔗

I have dogs and swords.

(But on a point of order, sir, surely those are guinea pigs? We had hamsters when the children were young, and they struggled with the larger calibre machine guns.)

285581 ▶▶▶▶ Mr Dee, replying to Mark, 1, #1320 of 1936 🔗

Is that the weaponry shop in Conwy? They have white alsatians too. Lovely dog by the way. And the gladius caught my eye. Very nice.

285622 ▶▶▶▶▶ Mark, replying to Mr Dee, #1321 of 1936 🔗

Most likely (just a pic from the internet.) Well spotted!

Gladius looks nice, but I’m not familiar with Roman swords, and they do sell a range of weapons from clunky decorative wall hangers to quite decent ones. I did pick up the Windlass renaissance longsword from them a couple of years back and it makes a great cheap cutting sword. Picked up a fair bit of kit from them and they are a very well run business.

285275 John P, replying to John P, 24, #1322 of 1936 🔗

I decided to print off Mike Yeadon’s list of concerns about Pfizer’s vaccine and give it to my mother when I visited my parents on Wednesday.

She resented it a little, though she is generally sceptic these days. Her scepticism is possibly in large part down to my efforts are keeping her informed about the “pandemic”, however. Despite this, she still seems to live with an – well, in my opinion – irrational fear of getting covid.

I did make sure to say though that I was not going to try to persuade her one way or another in the matter of the vaccine. It is her choice. If she’s offered the vaccine and she wants to have it it then I won’t stand in her way.

My main concern was to emphasise to her that scientific opinion is not unanimously in favour of the vaccine. Because my guess is that all she will get from the telly is wall to wall pro vaccine propaganda.

I myself will resist it, but that is not because of safety concerns. At the moment I have no opinion one way or another about that.

My main objection at least at the moment is that this is being thrust in our faces by an overbearing, authoritarian government that has persistently lied over the past eight months about the dangers posed by this virus and needlessly wrecked thousands of lives.

I want nothing to do with Hancock’s piss water. Safe or not.

285282 ▶▶ Ben, replying to John P, 11, #1323 of 1936 🔗

Most of the population are in denial. They believe the television and the Government cares about them

285285 ▶▶▶ Voz 0db, replying to Ben, 3, #1324 of 1936 🔗

In “short”… herd of modern moron slaves!

285317 ▶▶▶▶ Ceriain, replying to Voz 0db, 6, #1325 of 1936 🔗

moron slaves

This is becoming really fucking boring now!

285366 ▶▶▶▶▶ Voz 0db, replying to Ceriain, -1, #1326 of 1936 🔗

Reality is always boring… Go watch BBC!

285290 ▶▶ Voz 0db, replying to John P, 5, #1327 of 1936 🔗

Just ask her if since birth she has lived her life afraid of getting pneumonia!

285307 ▶▶ Will, replying to John P, 6, #1328 of 1936 🔗

I am not attempting to persuade or dissuade anyone from taking the vaccine even though I think
it is dangerous for my mother and step father in their early 80s and 90s respectively, but I will not hold back if any fucker says a vaccine should be compulsory etc.

285283 Hughie, replying to Hughie, 75, #1329 of 1936 🔗

This is slightly irrelevant and I don’t like sob stories as a rule but I just need to get this off my chest.

My business (actually my wife’s as well, our entire household income) has been completely demolished by all this bollocks (we’re in events and catering) and although we are doing our best to ‘pivot’ it takes time and we are sailing very close to the wind at the moment. We didn’t qualify for any proper help for a variety of boring reasons so are surviving on a bounce back loan. We had another baby last week.

Anyway, today, I was driving along and the police stopped me. Turns out in all the excitement in August I managed to let the insurance slip (a totally honest mistake, I had emailed them about a policy alteration and was awaiting an answer and then got sidelined by the rest of the shitstorm). I immediately called the insurers and brought everything up to date, as obviously I genuinely had no idea I was uninsured and wanted to correct that.

This utter c*nt of a policewoman then said she had to book me and then gave me the ‘you do not have to say anything…’ spiel. Then said I would get a letter awarding me 6 points and a fine.

I appreciate I was technically at fault but fuck me, what a kick in the teeth.

Fortunately for her I had already lost all respect for the fuzz but nonetheless I was unbearably polite throughout the whole thing and only just stopped myself from thanking her when she left.

I don’t know what else to say. Fuck these cunts. Just fuck them. This country is a piece of shit. If I saw Boris walking down the street I would fucking lamp him. Fucking cunts.

285305 ▶▶ Richard O, replying to Hughie, 37, #1330 of 1936 🔗

There are no words strong enough to condemn our oppressors.

This is one of the key characteristics of an authoritarian system. Ordinary civilians heavily punished for minor infractions of petty regulations, whilst crimes against humanity perpetrated by the state and its enforcers go completely unpunished (and may even be publicly praised as virtuous).

285312 ▶▶ calchas, replying to Hughie, 25, #1331 of 1936 🔗

That wasn’t irrelevant at all.

My sympathy.

When this fake pandemic is over – iand I think it will end – there needs to be full accounting. Justice needs to be done.

285347 ▶▶▶ Alan P, replying to calchas, 10, #1332 of 1936 🔗

This isn’t going to enjoy anytime soon. If you think 2020 is bad prepare yourself for 2021.

285419 ▶▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to Alan P, #1333 of 1936 🔗

Does the ‘P’ stand for Partridge ?

285443 ▶▶▶▶▶ Alan P, replying to JohnB, 1, #1334 of 1936 🔗

Damn spellchecker… end not enjoy!

285619 ▶▶▶ annie, replying to calchas, 1, #1335 of 1936 🔗

Justice will be done.

285313 ▶▶ Ceriain, replying to Hughie, 11, #1336 of 1936 🔗

So sorry to hear about that, Hughie; all of it. 🙁

285318 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to Hughie, 20, #1337 of 1936 🔗

Your job is not just about money. It really does give someone purpose. They think we can just turn it on and off, building back better. Bastards.

285343 ▶▶ Mark, replying to Hughie, 11, #1338 of 1936 🔗

You would think a warning and give you a week to sort it out would be perfectly fine for such minor administrative errors. It’s not like they can’t keep a record of it and automatically follow it up if the insurance isn’t renewed within a certain period – all this stuff is centrally recorded now. And it’s not as though they can’t keep a record and throw the book at you if you get caught doing the same thing again.

Basically it’s an easy tickbox for them and one added to the stats.

285351 ▶▶▶ Hughie, replying to Mark, 11, #1339 of 1936 🔗

That’s exactly what I thought – if the fuzz can establish that my car isn’t insured by scanning my number plate, surely the same system could have given me the heads up back in September and saved us all a lot of bother. It’s absolutely outrageous. The fine (apparently £300) achieves nothing beyond delaying my financial recovery, and the 6 points merely line the pockets of the insurance companies (let’s not even start on the state sponsored protection racket that is the insurance industry).

Not much to do with the flu I know but once the eyes are opened the horrendous state of the country is visible everywhere and is so much more upsetting.

Thanks for the kind words everyone.

285364 ▶▶▶▶ Two-Six, replying to Hughie, 4, #1340 of 1936 🔗

Yep it feels like you have been crapped on doesn’t it. The points won’t make a huge difference to your insurance charges. I got 3 two years ago for speeding (42 in a 30) and it was hardly noticible on my policy.

At least they didn’t take your car away and crush it. I think they can do that.
I hope the cop wasn’t wearing a face nappy too just for an extra layer of evil.

285371 ▶▶▶▶▶ Hughie, replying to Two-Six, 11, #1341 of 1936 🔗

Interestingly she wasn’t, nor was the chap with her, and they both came within inches of me while talking through my open window. But I can hardly hold that against them as an fervent anti-masker. Quite proud of my record actually, I haven’t been challenged once, and that includes several tube journeys!

285937 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Two-Six, replying to Hughie, #1342 of 1936 🔗

I got busted for driving in a bus lane too, 25 meters I drove along it before I changed lanes. £60 fine. Ding! Bastards! Actually I am really paranoid about speed limits now and its so easy to get busted with speed cameras, mobile speed vans and variable speed limit on motorways driving is not like it used to be.

Have you look into the technology that is planned for us in terms of automatic and intelligent cameras on roadways? Incredible, how about AI seeing you don’t have a seat belt on and sending you out a fine, or driving too close to another car, using the wrong lane, speeding, undertaking, jumping lights, vehicle defects, the list goes on…France are developing some seriously invasive stuff, eating and smoking while driving will get you a ticket.

Obviously no face nappies would be easy to police too.

285355 ▶▶ Hughie, replying to Hughie, 11, #1343 of 1936 🔗

Sorry about the language, the old red mist is never far away these days

285382 ▶▶▶ Ceriain, replying to Hughie, 7, #1344 of 1936 🔗

Don’t you dare apologise, sir! You have nothing to be sorry for!

285363 ▶▶ Londo Mollari, replying to Hughie, 5, #1345 of 1936 🔗

I am sorry to hear of your troubles.

285414 ▶▶ JohnB, replying to Hughie, 7, #1346 of 1936 🔗

Congrats on your new baby, Hughie ! Focus on the positives, and, as you say, fuck ’em.

285455 ▶▶ dhid, replying to Hughie, 9, #1347 of 1936 🔗

I’m sure your reaction when she told you, would have been obvious you had made a genuine mistake, especially in these times.

The police couldn’t care less about reality. She could have just said if you sort it out now I’ll just warn you verbally. She isn’t obliged to report you and she would have raised the reputation of the police, but I don’t think they give a shit any more. They are too stupid.

Filthy low-life scumbags most of them.

BTW – this is only an opinion I have formed in recent years having experienced some disgusting behaviour from the Dorset police in the last 4 years.

As a victim of an assault 4 years ago (with video evidence) due to the lies of an armed response vehicle team (flagged down when passing) who later claimed they hadn’t spoken to me (I had a witness to the fact I had) after saying they were on their way to another call but would radio it in.

Meanwhile the assailant had realised I had video (from my car video and from another car behind) and decided to claim I was the perpetrator in the hope he would be believed.

As my complaint had not been registered by the cunts in the ARV, when I was in hospital having my dislocated shoulder and other injuries dealt with (a wait of 7 hours but that’s another story..), they assumed the assailant, with zero injuries, to be the victim!
The ARV team lied about speaking to me and despite a witness statement to the contrary, they continued to lie.

Unfortunately I had no video of that interaction having stopped my car video and the witness behinds to save the video and prevent it being overwritten.

After attending the police station with a lawyer and the video evidence they apologised profusely and said they no longer considered me as an assailant! They asked if I wanted to make an official complaint, but, as this was just a week before my dear mums funeral, I couldn’t face it anymore, so I didn’t.

After having seen other ridiculous response from them since (not involving me or anyone I know!) I have reluctantly changed a lifelong previous belief that if you are honest you will be believed, I now believe many or even most are complete shit.

Good luck for the future I hope things get better for you and your family soon.

285798 ▶▶▶ Hughie, replying to dhid, 1, #1348 of 1936 🔗

Horrendous tale, sorry to hear it. Like you say, not a backbone between them. My pair today were clearly on some sort of rounding-up session. I saw them doing it to someone else around the corner when I finally set off having sorted out my policy. Between the two scenes some spiv in a BMW was driving like a total prick and nipped down a side street when he saw the police car. This is where the A4 meets the A316 in Hounslow so there are literally thousands of genuine criminals to pull over. Really bad ones who commit proper crimes that affect society.
Sorry, ranting again. The long and short of it is, the police are morally bankrupt and clearly have been for a very long time.

286066 ▶▶ Borisbullshit, replying to Hughie, #1349 of 1936 🔗

Yes there would not be much left of him if he passed me.

285284 Zak Thelotofem, 4, #1350 of 1936 🔗

Interesting piece demonstrating the efficacy of Ivermectin. Treatments hardly ever discussed in the MSM.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z5-S49EqCJ8&t=1378s

285289 Ned of the Hills, replying to Ned of the Hills, 4, #1351 of 1936 🔗

According to the Daily Mail there has been 209 deaths in Sweden registered in the last two days.
Must be some journalist’s slip of the pen.
Over nine days, from the 25th November to the 3rd December there were 209 deaths

(source:-

https://experience.arcgis.com/experience/09f821667ce64bf7be6f9f87457ed9aa )

or is there some significance in the word “registered”. They didn’t occur over the last two days but that’s when they were registered?

285291 ▶▶ Ben, replying to Ned of the Hills, 2, #1352 of 1936 🔗

How many people normally die in Sweden every day? Comorbities? Whose side is the Daily Mail on?

285295 ▶▶▶ John P, replying to Ben, 4, #1353 of 1936 🔗

Commercial newspapers are usually on the side of their shareholders.

285304 ▶▶▶ Liam, replying to Ben, 3, #1354 of 1936 🔗

Roughly 250 people die on average in Sweden every day. Total for 2018 was 92,185.

285308 ▶▶ Ceriain, replying to Ned of the Hills, 6, #1355 of 1936 🔗

It’s desperation, isn’t it? Got to make Sweden look bad, even if we have to lie.

They look like a bunch of amateurs compared to us with our 12,271 deaths in November (that’s putting aside the ‘with Covid/of Covid/fake PCR test results’ argument, of course). Gavin Williamson will be so proud; go UK!

285333 ▶▶ alw, replying to Ned of the Hills, 2, #1356 of 1936 🔗

Daily Mail is just as bad as the rest. Posted on an article which was saying cases in London increasing, (if indeed they are genuine cases), and London should be in Tier 3. My comment of currently 9 deaths a day in London and 37 suicide call outs did not justify this measure not published.

285354 ▶▶ calchas, replying to Ned of the Hills, 6, #1357 of 1936 🔗

They probably have more ‘reporters’ in Sweden looking for dying people than there are people in Sweden who die each day.

285298 calchas, replying to calchas, 43, #1358 of 1936 🔗

One of the best ways to recognize that this a fake pandemic:

The state has to replace fear of the virus with the fear of punishment in order to force us to ‘take precautions’.

285316 ▶▶ Now More Than Ever, replying to calchas, 27, #1359 of 1936 🔗

As has been stated here before, if it really were a serious virus they’d be telling everyone not to panic.

285373 ▶▶▶ Ben, replying to Now More Than Ever, 4, #1360 of 1936 🔗

I still don’t know anyone who’s had it

285301 Mr Dee, 5, #1362 of 1936 🔗

The Welsh Senedd has “all the verve and alacrity of a bed full of semi-comatose sloths in a geriatric ward”. 

https://www.dailypost.co.uk/news/north-wales-news/furious-councillor-blasts-senedd-sloths-19400155

285303 GiftWrappedKittyCat, replying to GiftWrappedKittyCat, 45, #1363 of 1936 🔗

Another covid mystery to ponder; my friend’s dad was admitted to hospital a month or so ago with inexplicable back pain. He tested negative on admission and was given a room of his own, visitors were not permitted because covid. Despite this cruelly enforced isolation, he somehow tested positive after a couple of weeks in hospital. He was ill enough to be moved to a palliative care ward and his family were informed that it looked like the end was nigh so they would now be allowed to visit. My friend was told by the hospital staff that there would be no need to self isolate having been in to see her dad.
So, why is visiting someone in hospital without covid not allowed but visiting someone who has tested positive is?
How can it be that someone who has visited a covid patient in hospital doesn’t need to isolate but spend if you spend a nanosecond near a suspected ‘case’ in a restaurant the track and trace goons are on your back??
Also, it’s clear that IF my friend’s dad does indeed have covid and isn’t just another victim of a false test result that he picked it up from the hospital staff as he hasn’t had contact with anyone else.
Incidentally, since he was ‘allowed’ to see his family he has improved slightly which also speaks volumes. Poor guy had most likely lost the will to live in his enforced state of isolation with no end in sight. It’s absolutely awful how people have been treated throughout this whole debacle.

285449 ▶▶ Gladiatrix, replying to GiftWrappedKittyCat, 4, #1364 of 1936 🔗

I hope you have made a complaint to the CEO and local branch of PALS

285320 PWL, replying to PWL, 4, #1365 of 1936 🔗

Again, another whole page based on the premise that SARS-COV-2 is real, and that Covid-19 is much more than very rare condition where SARS-COV(?) binds to ACE2 at the lung, but has nothing to do with anything else that is being called “Covid-19”.

It’s a hoax, folks.

Prohibition And Covid-19; Part Three: “How The Amendment Was Put Through”; The Playbook For Getting Unwanted Legislation

285396 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to PWL, 1, #1366 of 1936 🔗

Superb

285330 Richard O, 8, #1367 of 1936 🔗

Received this today:

“Parliament is going to debate the petition you signed – “Prevent any restrictions on those who refuse a Covid-19 vaccination”.

https://petition.parliament.uk/petitions/323442

The debate is scheduled for 14 December 2020.

Once the debate has happened, we’ll email you a video and transcript.

Thanks,
The Petitions team
UK Government and Parliament”

Surprising that they are proceeding with a debate on this before Xmas. I expect mostly abstentions or no-shows from our spineless “representatives”, so if there are a handful of Covid cult zealots in Westminster that day we may have official parliamentary sanction for restrictions.

285339 Steve Martindale, replying to Steve Martindale, 9, #1368 of 1936 🔗

My thanks to the 2 people who have already agreed to support a face-mask petition, we need another 3 sponsors and we should then be OK to put this petition forward. You can see and comment on the draft wording in the politics section of the forum, I have also left my email address so that you can let me know by email or personal message if you are prepared to sponsor this petition, that means we have to submit your name and email when the petition is entered.
Thanks Steve

285375 ▶▶ Ceriain, replying to Steve Martindale, 2, #1369 of 1936 🔗

Email heading your way, Steve. Happy to help. 🙂

285403 ▶▶ Quernus, replying to Steve Martindale, 4, #1370 of 1936 🔗

Have sent you an email, Steve – hope you’ve got the numbers now.
Kirsten

285352 Londo Mollari, replying to Londo Mollari, 22, #1371 of 1936 🔗

Liverpool’s enthusiastic pro-test, pro restriction Mayor Joe Andersen, has been arrested in relation to bribery related to building contracts and for witness intimidation.

285370 ▶▶ Iansn, replying to Londo Mollari, 2, #1372 of 1936 🔗

top man aye he is! His Oppo Mr Elliot has just announced another 200 million development.

285412 ▶▶ Matt The Cat, replying to Londo Mollari, 3, #1373 of 1936 🔗

Shocked. He really doesn’t look the type!

285630 ▶▶▶ Iansn, replying to Matt The Cat, #1374 of 1936 🔗

Like a Staffie doesnt look like something that would eat your baby 🙂

285360 Voz 0db, replying to Voz 0db, 8, #1375 of 1936 🔗

Fun in COVIDIUS EMPIRE!

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285365 ▶▶ annie, replying to Voz 0db, 11, #1376 of 1936 🔗

They don’t know.
They don’t know.
They don’t KNOW.

285369 ▶▶▶ Voz 0db, replying to annie, 4, #1377 of 1936 🔗

It’s their Christmas Present to ALL UMANITY!

285602 ▶▶▶ John P, replying to annie, #1378 of 1936 🔗

They do know. It doesn’t work if you can still pass it on.

285377 ▶▶ PastImperfect, replying to Voz 0db, 10, #1379 of 1936 🔗

Our immune systems do that automatically.

NO
POLITICAL
VACCINATIONS

285468 ▶▶ G.Fawkes, replying to Voz 0db, #1380 of 1936 🔗

“whatever” – BJ de Piffle

285601 ▶▶ John P, replying to Voz 0db, 2, #1381 of 1936 🔗

THEN IT IS NOT AN EFFECTIVE VACCINE.

Vaccines are supposed to make you immune. You can’t get it. Therefore you can’t pass it on.

The pig is lying.

285764 ▶▶▶ Voz 0db, replying to John P, #1382 of 1936 🔗

The pig is the ceo that gained a few millions when he published news about that artificial infection efficiency! And looking at the stock price this statement hasn’t caused a crash.

But the herd doesn’t care… They will be artificially infected with pleasure.

285362 l835, #1383 of 1936 🔗

They’re closed… ☹️

285367 Iansn, replying to Iansn, 5, #1384 of 1936 🔗

Sounds as a pound our Joe, top man virus hunter and destroyer, the best interests of his loyal Liverpool people at heart all the time. Turns out he is like the rest of them in it for a pound or two. https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2020/dec/04/mayor-of-liverpool-arrested-as-part-of-investigation

285381 ▶▶ l835, replying to Iansn, 2, #1385 of 1936 🔗

Bring back Degsy

285399 ▶▶▶ nottingham69, replying to l835, 1, #1386 of 1936 🔗

Might be chance for a comeback.

285402 ▶▶ JohnB, replying to Iansn, 1, #1387 of 1936 🔗

Ha ha !

285376 richard riewer, replying to richard riewer, 7, #1388 of 1936 🔗

Operation Moonshot: Operation Poppycock.

285489 ▶▶ richard riewer, replying to richard riewer, 1, #1389 of 1936 🔗

Funny that some people say that we want to live in the Dark Ages considering the fact that they are pushing us towards a new form of Feudalism.

285380 Margaret, replying to Margaret, 2, #1390 of 1936 🔗

BBC news. A pharmacist says that they had a new freezer for storing the vaccine delivered a couple of weeks ago???

285384 ▶▶ Richard O, replying to Margaret, 12, #1391 of 1936 🔗

Naturally, why invest in such an expensive piece of equipment when it had yet to be decided whether the first vaccine to be deployed will require storage at -70 C?

This is a script.

285430 ▶▶▶ G.Fawkes, replying to Richard O, 9, #1392 of 1936 🔗

It is all theatre.

285394 peter, 1, #1393 of 1936 🔗

IT’S PEOPLE

285395 DThom, replying to DThom, 6, #1394 of 1936 🔗

What an utter waste of our money. My local council have put up large signs on roundabouts. Each one spread out around the roundabout says either Hands Face or Space!

285397 ▶▶ peter, replying to DThom, 8, #1395 of 1936 🔗

Nothing a pair of scissors wont remedy. Get on it

285400 ▶▶ DRW, replying to DThom, 8, #1396 of 1936 🔗

Nice to see the local bungs are being well spent. I’d try to vandalise them.

285435 ▶▶▶ DThom, replying to DRW, #1397 of 1936 🔗

They are made if metal!

285440 ▶▶▶▶ G.Fawkes, replying to DThom, 4, #1398 of 1936 🔗

Black spray paint: RESIST!

285453 ▶▶▶▶▶ DRW, replying to G.Fawkes, 2, #1399 of 1936 🔗

I was thinking graffiti.

285456 ▶▶▶▶▶ mari, replying to G.Fawkes, 2, #1400 of 1936 🔗

Yep, the kind that’s permanent

285483 ▶▶▶▶ William Gruff, replying to DThom, #1401 of 1936 🔗

Paint stripper.

285561 ▶▶▶▶▶ Bill h, replying to William Gruff, #1402 of 1936 🔗

Brake fluid.

Pretty cheap and destroys most paints in a couple of hours.

285452 ▶▶▶ mari, replying to DRW, 4, #1403 of 1936 🔗

Several cans of spray paint should do it….

285565 ▶▶▶▶ Fingerache Philip., replying to mari, #1404 of 1936 🔗

Or a sledge hammer.

285450 ▶▶ mari, replying to DThom, 2, #1405 of 1936 🔗

FFS, where’s Banksy when you need him?

285459 ▶▶▶ G.Fawkes, replying to mari, 2, #1406 of 1936 🔗

Not sure where he went after his recent work on the underground encouraging people to wear face masks.

285490 ▶▶▶▶ Cranmer, replying to G.Fawkes, 5, #1407 of 1936 🔗

Why am I not surprised that most of these tedious ‘anti-establishment’ types now seem completely pro-establishment?

285505 ▶▶▶▶▶ The Mask Exempt Covid Marshall, replying to Cranmer, 7, #1408 of 1936 🔗

Frankie Boyle is another good example of that.

285515 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Tom in Scotland, replying to The Mask Exempt Covid Marshall, 3, #1409 of 1936 🔗

Yes – what happened to him? The last TV appearance of his that I saw on BBC2 (before I stopped watching it) was dreadful. He wasn’t funny at all and actually seemed to have gone woke.

285694 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Cranmer, replying to Tom in Scotland, 1, #1410 of 1936 🔗

At some point a lot of these artists and performers must realise they either have to toe the line (and have a potentially highly lucrative career) or continue to be genuinely anti-establishment and become non-persons. A good example is Laurence Fox but there are others such as Andrew Lawrence and Lee Hurst.

285487 ▶▶▶ William Gruff, replying to mari, 2, #1411 of 1936 🔗

Be the new Banksy; be Banksy built back better.

285536 ▶▶ A. Contrarian, replying to DThom, 1, #1412 of 1936 🔗

Ours have put Hands Face Space stickers on the pavements.

285577 ▶▶ annie, replying to DThom, 1, #1413 of 1936 🔗

Cover them with posters saying FUCK, RIGHT, or OFF

285401 Tom Blackburn, #1414 of 1936 🔗
285407 Hieronimusb, replying to Hieronimusb, 21, #1415 of 1936 🔗

Talking to a friend last night who runs a counselling service in Narberth. Prior to lockdown they were getting 2-3 people presenting with suicidal thoughts per month, now more than 12. There’s no vaccine for that. Hancock should hang.

285446 ▶▶ Adamb, replying to Hieronimusb, 2, #1416 of 1936 🔗

Nice part of the world at least.

285475 ▶▶ Leemc23, replying to Hieronimusb, 2, #1417 of 1936 🔗

The mentally ill are collateral damage to the institutions of this country. Not one of them give a real shit about people.

285480 ▶▶ William Gruff, replying to Hieronimusb, 4, #1418 of 1936 🔗

Not just Hancock. The bastards are responsible for the deaths of thousands and only a painful and prolonged mediaeval death can possibly bring any sort of satisfaction to those mourning the unnecessary loss of loved ones.

‘Vengeance is ours’ sayeth the mob and the mob must have them.

285535 ▶▶ A. Contrarian, replying to Hieronimusb, 2, #1419 of 1936 🔗

Someone needs to tell that to our friend Nadine “Lockdown has improved our mental health” Dorries…

285573 ▶▶ annie, replying to Hieronimusb, 1, #1420 of 1936 🔗

And Narberth is known for having had no Covviedeaths whatever. Not even their fake ones.

285616 ▶▶ Old Normal, replying to Hieronimusb, 3, #1421 of 1936 🔗

In my experience, mental health has never mattered to the NHS.

In 2020, it seems it matters less than ever. If someone has a symptom of the virus, they can go for a test the same day.

If you are suffering from anxiety or depression, you can wait months or longer for any meaningful attempt at help and even then, it’s pretty useless (again, in my experience.)

Governments occasionally allocate a few million here and there but never explain where it goes and how it will help the many millions of people who need it.

285409 William Gruff, replying to William Gruff, 4, #1422 of 1936 🔗

Uses for Michael Gove: Pin cushion for vaccine needles.

285418 ▶▶ Ceriain, replying to William Gruff, 5, #1423 of 1936 🔗

Battering Ram.

285426 ▶▶ G.Fawkes, replying to William Gruff, 10, #1424 of 1936 🔗

Rottweiler chew toy.

285434 ▶▶ Tom in Scotland, replying to William Gruff, 5, #1425 of 1936 🔗

Suppository for elephants.

285438 ▶▶ Ossettian, replying to William Gruff, 4, #1426 of 1936 🔗

Isn’t he already ?Sarah Vine’s butt plug

285466 ▶▶▶ William Gruff, replying to Ossettian, 2, #1427 of 1936 🔗

LOL. The best reply so far I think. Well done.

285448 ▶▶ mari, replying to William Gruff, 6, #1428 of 1936 🔗

Suppository for piles

285615 ▶▶ Ceriain, replying to William Gruff, 2, #1429 of 1936 🔗

Mrs C. just suggested speed-bump.

285699 ▶▶ thinkaboutit, replying to William Gruff, 1, #1430 of 1936 🔗

Head could be hollowed out for a Halloween lantern.

285941 ▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to thinkaboutit, #1431 of 1936 🔗

Too scary!

285417 swedenborg, 5, #1432 of 1936 🔗

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/32292901/

https://www.facebook.com/101789008342235/posts/168166288371173/

Dr James Lyons-Weiler has serious concerns about autoimmunity and C-19 vaccines. He has done much research in the previous work of SARS and MERS vaccines which did not go well in laboratory animals. Not discussed much now but rather forceful presentation in the above FB link video still working for some.In the first part about vaccines in the last part the general response.Perhaps posted before but interesting concerns and a forceful presentation.

285422 Cheshirecatslave, replying to Cheshirecatslave, 4, #1433 of 1936 🔗

A blog buddy in the USA sent me a Christmas card showing a at wearing a mask, arrrgh!

285428 ▶▶ William Gruff, replying to Cheshirecatslave, #1434 of 1936 🔗

‘A at’ ?

285530 ▶▶▶ Cheshirecatslave, replying to William Gruff, 2, #1435 of 1936 🔗

A cat, the C key on my keyboard is acting up.

285597 ▶▶▶▶ Freecumbria, replying to Cheshirecatslave, #1436 of 1936 🔗

Just your luck it wasn’t the D,O or G

285603 ▶▶▶▶ Ceriain, replying to Cheshirecatslave, 1, #1437 of 1936 🔗

That would have been really funny if you had posted “ating up”. 😉

285697 ▶▶▶▶ MiriamW-sometimes-AlanG, replying to Cheshirecatslave, 2, #1438 of 1936 🔗

And cat abuse. . . . MW

285855 ▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to William Gruff, #1439 of 1936 🔗

Cat ? Rat ? Wombat ?

285696 ▶▶ MiriamW-sometimes-AlanG, replying to Cheshirecatslave, 1, #1440 of 1936 🔗

That’s at abuse – disgusting! MW

285427 William Gruff, 14, #1441 of 1936 🔗

Will you consider using overzealous in inverted commas, double if you prefer? They are not overzealous, which term implies an excess of well-intentioned enthusiasm; it really is just a euphemism for ‘jumped up cowardly petty fascist hiding behind a uniform to impose himself on law abiding citizens’.

285431 MiriamW-sometimes-AlanG, replying to MiriamW-sometimes-AlanG, 26, #1442 of 1936 🔗

High Peak Friday: A sizeable snow-fall this afternoon, causing chaos on the roads, especially over the higher areas. We nipped on the bus to stock up with supplies, OK wine, and when we got near Whaley it was near-gridlock. A bus in front of us in the queue wasn’t moving and the driver came back to tell ours that he was driving the 2.10 from Macca i.e. 2 1/2 hours late!

Our shop-keeper friend told us the Covid goons had been round. A genius in a hi-viz vest with ‘Covid Compliance Team’ written on the back burst into the shop when there was already a customer in (so breaking the shop’s protocol!), failed to spray his hands with chemical gunk and proceeded to interrogate our mate about his ‘compliance’. Thank God such noble servants of the State are here to keep us all safe.

Tory Boy MP has written to Wancock to bleat about our being in ‘Tier’ 3 when Cheshire East is in ‘Tier’ 2 with the same number of ‘cases’. He’d emailed us a copy of the letter attached to a stenographed load of shite i.e. the official line. Our friend says his Arsebook page is full of abuse for his hitherto support of the Govt which was why he got feared into opposing the ‘Tiers’ on Tuesday. ‘Suspected as much. Anyway, since we appear to be in some kind of dialogue, I sent him the above doctor’s analysis to chew on.

On the way home the bus driver started going on about the vaccines and how dangerous they will be. He mentioned Thalidomide and why not? We asked him what would happen if we got on the Macca bus, crossing from ‘Tier’2 to ‘Tier’ 3. He said we would be stopped at The Border by the Gestapo who would demand our papers and send us back to the Plague Pit. We had a good laugh about scenes from ‘Only Fools’ and ‘Dad’s Army’.

How is it that nearly every bus driver, shop-keeper, hairdresser etc we speak to understands with perfect clarity what is going on but so many ‘better educated’ people of our acquaintance apparently wish to cower under the bed, locked-up and only communicating via Zoom forever? We reckon they will kill each other for the vaccine. Is it because they are in Plato’s cave, only seeing the ‘paintings’ provided by BBC and other MSM? I know a lot of them also follow Arsebook and Twatter.

The kids who we see napped up out in the country – thankfully not too many of them – we can only assume do this because Arsebook/Snapchat has told them to or they think it’s somehow cool or clever. I can’t believe that the little buggers are actually scared but they sure ain’t using what brains they have still got. What’s it going to be like when the nappy-induced oxygen-deprivation really kicks in?

MW

285474 ▶▶ Cranmer, replying to MiriamW-sometimes-AlanG, 11, #1443 of 1936 🔗

Good to hear it MW. On my village Facebook page I’ve been pleasantly surprised to see high levels of Covid scepticism where there was not much before. By the way – I think the compliance among ‘better educated’ people is a class thing – they identify themselves as being part of the ruling class (even if they are just teachers in a primary school) and so they feel obliged to ‘set an example’ by slavishly following government rules.

285491 ▶▶▶ MiriamW-sometimes-AlanG, replying to Cranmer, 2, #1444 of 1936 🔗

Yes, that makes sense from what we’ve observed. MW

285879 ▶▶▶ Arkansas, replying to Cranmer, 1, #1445 of 1936 🔗

On the “middle classes educated people are suckers” thing, it might be partly due to the tendency towards conflating having read a news article about something with being informed about that something. They perhaps don’t insert an additional level of thinking between the information provided and assuming the situation in reality; they don’t insert the essential “[this source] said that…” prefix.

A related trait is an increased tendency to fall into, and then continue to adhere to, conceptualisations of the world rather than the direct experience of it and the direct intuition-perception that the latter brings.

Hairdressers, taxi drivers, mechanics, they operate much more “directly” than accountants, software programmers and, unfortunately, perhaps most scientists and journalists and politicians.

The second group “fall into dreams”, while the first group looks on at first in confusion and then in scorn.

285476 ▶▶ Ceriain, replying to MiriamW-sometimes-AlanG, 11, #1446 of 1936 🔗

We reckon they will kill each other for the vaccine.

That works for me. 😉

285533 ▶▶ Fingerache Philip., replying to MiriamW-sometimes-AlanG, 7, #1447 of 1936 🔗

I know, it’s really amazing, the 2 members of our family who have university degrees have fell for this “tripe”, hook, line and sinker and can quote verbatim every rule concerning teirs, bubbles, etc,while myself and my younger son both classed as “Thicko’s” have seen through this nonsense more or less right from the start.

285656 ▶▶▶ Cranmer, replying to Fingerache Philip., 3, #1448 of 1936 🔗

It’s the ‘Captain Mainwaring’ personality from ‘Dad’s Army’. Mainwaring came from a lower middle class family (his father had a small draper’s shop) and worked his way into the middle classes by becoming a bank manager and marrying the daughter of a suffragan bishop. He is a stickler for all the rules and regs whereas the working classes (such as Walker the Spiv) and Sergeant Wilson (an aristocrat) don’t really care.

285436 Charlie Blue, replying to Charlie Blue, 2, #1449 of 1936 🔗

Sally Davies and Mark Walport campaigning for masks everywhere all the time in their evidence to the Joint Committee.

How did I come to watching Parliament TV on a Friday night?

285471 ▶▶ Leemc23, replying to Charlie Blue, 5, #1450 of 1936 🔗

So an honest question. Why do they want masks when they don’t do fuck all ? What’s in this for them ?

285485 ▶▶▶ Richard O, replying to Leemc23, 9, #1451 of 1936 🔗

More PPE contracts. More fines. More control. More sickness. More wearing down of the population to prepare them for total slavery.

285586 ▶▶▶▶ Banjones, replying to Richard O, 3, #1452 of 1936 🔗

”PPE”? Isn’t that the qualification that Hancock holds that qualifies him to hold the office of ‘Sekiterry of State for Elf”? (if you’ll excuse the word ”holds”)?

285499 ▶▶▶ RickH, replying to Leemc23, 10, #1453 of 1936 🔗

There are several possible answers, but, for me, the most credible is simply that these are deeply flawed characters with narcissistic and psychopathic tendencies that have been allowed to get out of control.

Simply – they need to be put back in their box – or an appropriate padded cell..

285521 ▶▶▶ mari, replying to Leemc23, 6, #1454 of 1936 🔗

Its all about Compliance, Control, Dumbing down (not being able to communicate) and deliberate Demoralising of human beings. Oh, and they compromise your immune system to boot. Yes, several agendas here.

285478 ▶▶ Richard O, replying to Charlie Blue, 9, #1455 of 1936 🔗

From the SAGE minutes on 21st September:

Wearing facemasks outside of the house could complement existing government messaging of social responsibility if communicated alongside the effectiveness of masks in protecting others who are not infected.
However, there are also a number of issues, risks and potentially harmful behaviours associated with recommending or mandating use of facemasks which could reduce their effectiveness (e.g. misuse, use of ineffective homemade masks).
Moreover, it is critical that recommendations are seen to be based on the science and proportionate otherwise the legitimacy of mask wearing overall will be compromised. Given that the evidence suggests outdoor spread to be very limited this may be seen as an excessive measure.

These fuckers know exactly what they are doing. Masks everywhere forever has been the direction of travel right from the start, and I see no reason why this will not eventually be mandated. Then the police will be able to dish out fixed penalty notices to anyone not wearing one, even walking down an empty road.

285588 ▶▶▶ Banjones, replying to Richard O, 1, #1456 of 1936 🔗

The redundant use of the word ”of” in the first line just illustrates what a bunch of ill-educated dimwits we have, thinking they’re better than we are. (Sorry – than WOT we are.)

285651 ▶▶▶▶ dhid, replying to Banjones, 1, #1457 of 1936 🔗

Sorry – than WOT we are.”

You missed “init!” from the end.

285737 ▶▶▶▶▶ Banjones, replying to dhid, #1458 of 1936 🔗

Whoh’evah.

285849 ▶▶ JohnB, replying to Charlie Blue, 1, #1459 of 1936 🔗

How did I come to watching Parliament TV on a Friday night?

For a bet ?

You’ve run out of pins to stick in your eyes ?

I can’t think of any other reasons …

285441 DThom, replying to DThom, 6, #1460 of 1936 🔗

Does anyone else think Van Dam looks like a baddie from a Bond movie!

285539 ▶▶ Two-Six, replying to DThom, 6, #1461 of 1936 🔗

The one with the bowler hat with the steel rim, Odd-Job was it?

285556 ▶▶ Mr Dee, replying to DThom, 1, #1462 of 1936 🔗

Reminds me of a bald Thulsa Doom from Conan the Barbarian. My apologies to James Earl Jones.

285558 ▶▶ Danny, replying to DThom, #1463 of 1936 🔗

Grandson of corrupt puppet ruler of French owned colonial Vietnam. The horror. The horror.

285575 ▶▶ dhid, replying to DThom, #1464 of 1936 🔗

You mean Van Tam(pax) presumably! Looks more like a wannabe nobody to me.

285840 ▶▶ tonyspurs, replying to DThom, 1, #1465 of 1936 🔗

Looks like penfold to me

285927 ▶▶▶ Two-Six, replying to tonyspurs, #1466 of 1936 🔗

Gove is Penfold

285442 godowneasy, 1, #1467 of 1936 🔗

A question about freezers – we keep hearing stories about the freezers being acquired for vaccine storage – are extra (standard) freezers being purchased to store those from care homes after the first wave of vaccinations? I’m making a joke about this but seriously concerned about the dangers of giving a vaccine to elderly care home residents.

285444 Jez Hewitt, replying to Jez Hewitt, 7, #1468 of 1936 🔗

Sometimes, humour is the best medicine… (apologies if it’s already been posted)

https://www.facebook.com/groups/262896207890891/permalink/801734984007008/

285462 ▶▶ Cranmer, replying to Jez Hewitt, 2, #1469 of 1936 🔗

Thanks for a good laugh – it’s a very clever spoof. I think sharing this sort of thing on social media achieves a lot more than attempting to use reason and logic on people.

285477 ▶▶ mari, replying to Jez Hewitt, 1, #1470 of 1936 🔗

Yes its just what we need for that sing-a-long!

285529 ▶▶ Hopeful, replying to Jez Hewitt, 1, #1471 of 1936 🔗

Hi Jez,
Thanks for that, loved it.

285445 Tom Blackburn, replying to Tom Blackburn, #1472 of 1936 🔗

I’ve never been into Michael Gove since I saw a close up of his teeth.

285454 ▶▶ George Mc, replying to Tom Blackburn, 3, #1473 of 1936 🔗

Really? Took you that long?

285486 ▶▶▶ Tom Blackburn, replying to George Mc, 1, #1474 of 1936 🔗

A grown up who can’t even look after their own teeth shouldn’t be trusted anything more responsible than a goldfish.

285493 ▶▶ Banjones, replying to Tom Blackburn, 2, #1475 of 1936 🔗

Uuurrrgghhhh. It never ceases to amaze me that people (with money) don’t get their teeth seen to when they know they’ll be in front of the cameras. This is confirmation that they are arrogant, narrow-minded, unimaginative dimwits. And also that their close partners/PAs are also narrow-minded dimwits. Let’s take BJ as a prime example……

285503 ▶▶▶ mari, replying to Banjones, #1476 of 1936 🔗

Do we have to?

285508 ▶▶▶ mari, replying to Banjones, 2, #1477 of 1936 🔗

Its the thick pouting lips of Gove that make me dive for cover. I watched an interview of him years ago and actually saw spittle spraying out as he spoke. Never been the same since.

285520 ▶▶▶▶ GiftWrappedKittyCat, replying to mari, #1478 of 1936 🔗

Thanks for that image, I was enjoying my tea! 🤮

285526 ▶▶▶▶ dhid, replying to mari, 1, #1479 of 1936 🔗

He needs a mask! Of cling-film preferably!

285524 ▶▶▶ Tom Blackburn, replying to Banjones, #1480 of 1936 🔗

Agree 100%. Nothing says ‘don’t give a shit’ more than grotty teeth.

285460 mari, 12, #1481 of 1936 🔗

Love this: lets hope it takes off…
British Tenacity! Pub Merges With Chip Shop To Open In Tier 2 – YouTube
Not sure if its already posted, apologies if so.

285467 Leemc23, replying to Leemc23, 19, #1482 of 1936 🔗

At what point does government adverting cease to be informative and become coercion ?

Coercion remains illegal.

But everywhere I look is masks and NHS advertising.

Everytime the radio is on. Hands Face and fucking space.

Magazines through my own front door issued by the council telling me of their Winter plan with more pictures of masks.

Everywhere I walk and see another human. Masks. It just does not stop.

Honestly it’s absolutely relentless. Are they not aware of the damage they are doing ? WHY.

285473 ▶▶ Jonathan Palmer, replying to Leemc23, 10, #1483 of 1936 🔗

Welcome to a totalitarian state.

285482 ▶▶ Les Tricoteuses, replying to Leemc23, 10, #1484 of 1936 🔗

Aware??? It’s bloody deliberate.

285488 ▶▶ Banjones, replying to Leemc23, 9, #1485 of 1936 🔗

Of COURSE they’re ”aware”. It’s working out very well, so far as they’re concerned. Neatly. They have been ”aware” from the beginning. This is not ”panic”, ”incompetence”, and so on. This is cold, calculated coercion. This is the following of an agenda. This is the work of ”useful idiots” – whose, we can only guess.

285502 ▶▶ mari, replying to Leemc23, 7, #1486 of 1936 🔗

Propaganda to wear us down. I choose to ignore everything of this nature, its the only way to survive if you’re sensitive to shite. Ignore.

285523 ▶▶ dhid, replying to Leemc23, 6, #1487 of 1936 🔗

Everytime the radio is on. Hands Face and fucking space.”

Yes, even on Talk Radio – it is like being tortured – the frequency and tone are disgusting.

I would love the arsehole male voice-over twat who does that one to be named, because he must know, that the tone he uses, is to make the sheeple fearful!

If someone makes a living scaring people they should be exposed for what they are!

285543 ▶▶▶ Bill h, replying to dhid, 3, #1488 of 1936 🔗

Agreed.

I just mute out the adverts. Sorted. (Kind of )

285647 ▶▶▶▶ Cranmer, replying to Bill h, 1, #1489 of 1936 🔗

When they come on I turn off the radio for 2 minutes, which is usually sufficient for me to miss them.

285557 ▶▶▶ Leemc23, replying to dhid, 4, #1490 of 1936 🔗

Talk Radio is awful for it. You can have a cracking interview with somebody ripping an MP a new one and then adverts and hands face space and open up your windows is repeated to listeners every 15 minutes. It’s ridiculous.

285567 ▶▶▶▶ dhid, replying to Leemc23, 1, #1491 of 1936 🔗

Yes, I assume they need the money from them (assuming they are paid) or there is some requirement under their licence to take “official” announcements.

Mind you the other evening an ad said that one of the programs – I forget which, was “in conjunction with the UK government” or very similar – unless I dreamed it – but I don’t think I did!

285657 ▶▶▶▶▶ Howie59, replying to dhid, #1492 of 1936 🔗

James Whale’s show – in conjunction with the UK government – whatever that means. I caught it on the way home from work in the car on the day of the vaccine announcement.

He and his sidekick interviewed a retired vaccinologist from one of the big pharma companies, lauding how great it was that a vaccine had been produced in such a short time frame. Muppets the pair of them – him especially – always disliked him from his days on independent radio in the North West and his failed late night talk show.

Although agreeing with the vaccinologist throughout, at the end of the interview, they both then lambasted him for being a remainer, like that had anything whatsoever to do with the subject being discussed.

As bad as it was, I felt I had to at least once listen to the other side of the argument. More fool me. Anyway, adverts followed – hands, face, space.

It’s bloody la-la land and there’s no escape.

285644 ▶▶▶▶ Cranmer, replying to Leemc23, 2, #1493 of 1936 🔗

Talk Radio also has some presenters with quite dangerous views IMO. One was on the other night (I didn’t catch his name) agreeing with a caller that those who refuse ‘the vaccine’ should be imprisoned.

285570 ▶▶▶ Banjones, replying to dhid, 3, #1494 of 1936 🔗

Not just ‘Talk Radio’ but also Classic Fm. I have to switch it off so often now so that I’m not insulted and angered by the blathering about sodding HFS that it’s hardly worth switching on in the first place.

285692 ▶▶▶ Salopian, replying to dhid, 1, #1495 of 1936 🔗

‘afin the Covid was bad enuf’…
But your effing advert is much much worse

285917 ▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to dhid, 1, #1496 of 1936 🔗

Silence is golden!
I don’t listen to radio and I don’t watch mainstream tv. I play my own music from a flashdrive in the car.

285610 ▶▶ stefarm, replying to Leemc23, 1, #1497 of 1936 🔗

They know alright, as someone else mentioned, if it was that dangerous they would be calming us down not scaring us to death.

285472 swedenborg, replying to swedenborg, 6, #1498 of 1936 🔗

A very interesting short article about the increasing concerns (also now in MSM) about the origin of Sars-Cov2.There are several interesting links in the article especially Yuri Dergin’s article from April which discusses in the end historical frequent lab accidents with viruses’
https://mygenomix.medium.com/the-origin-of-sars-cov-2-is-a-riddle-meet-the-twitter-detectives-who-aim-to-solve-it-5050216fd279 The origin of SARS-CoV-2 is a riddle: meet the Twitter detectives who aim to solve it

“So, the bat virus most similar to SARS-CoV-2 had been sampled in 2013 in a mineshaft where three people had died of severe pneumonia with unknown cause, the year before. Quite interesting, no?”

285527 ▶▶ A. Contrarian, replying to swedenborg, 7, #1499 of 1936 🔗

I’ve always had the feeling that something else must be going on to explain the bizarre global overreaction to this virus.

My theory from the start has been an accidental leak of a lab-engineered strain. The world govts all know this, hence the enormous panic – it’s an artificially created virus, who knows what it will do or how it will behave.

But we can’t tell the public because the panic would be lethal – key workers would refuse to go to work, supply chains and medical care would collapse.

So, begin a campaign of “controlled” panic. Just enough that people will mostly do as they are told, not enough to cause a full on meltdown of society.

I still think that there’s a good chance this will turn out to be true. Although if so, how it hasn’t been leaked by now is a mystery.

285633 ▶▶▶ redbirdpete, replying to A. Contrarian, #1500 of 1936 🔗

How do we explain its early appearance in November in Italy? Is it possible it didn’t come from china at all?

285636 ▶▶▶ Cranmer, replying to A. Contrarian, #1501 of 1936 🔗

I’ve wondered this myself. There was also a theory going round a while back that ‘Covid’ was a cover for something worse about to happen, eg some sort of biological war with China, or even some sort of asteroid impact.

285759 ▶▶▶ Jonathan Palmer, replying to A. Contrarian, 1, #1502 of 1936 🔗

That theory doesn’t explain why COVID was downgraded just before lockdown.

285912 ▶▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Jonathan Palmer, 1, #1503 of 1936 🔗

Or why it isn’t deadly except to those already on their last legs.

285868 ▶▶▶ swedenborg, replying to BTLnewbie, 1, #1505 of 1936 🔗

Thanks for correcting the link. I agree with a previous commentator that the best explanation of the hysterical pandemic reaction was due to knowledge that C-19 pandemic was because of a laboratory accidental leak. But the true knowledge what happened is only known to China and US. Other nations just followed the lead.US would have a major role in the accidental leak. The US medical establishment(NIH and Military Labs) outsourced dangerous gain of function laboratory work to Wuhan.Fauci would have inside information.

285479 Les Tricoteuses, replying to Les Tricoteuses, 3, #1506 of 1936 🔗

New advert from H&M titled “Bring on the Future”.
Hard not see Great Reset stuff everywhere.
It’s only short, see what you think

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Uem9aQXw8B4

285500 ▶▶ Ceriain, replying to Les Tricoteuses, 3, #1507 of 1936 🔗

Oh, and, by the way, we sell clothes.

I want my minute and a half back.

285537 ▶▶▶ William Gruff, replying to Ceriain, 2, #1508 of 1936 🔗

They make money, historically by selling clothes but if the market is in NWO propaganda that’s where the money is, so that’s what they sell.

285579 ▶▶▶▶ Ceriain, replying to William Gruff, 1, #1509 of 1936 🔗

Of course; how foolish of me. 😉

285534 ▶▶ William Gruff, replying to Les Tricoteuses, 11, #1510 of 1936 🔗

What a surprise, the advertisement opens with the camera framing a black woman. Are they telling us that we have no place in the land our ancestors built and defended for us? Those responsible for what is clearly an orchestrated campaign of cultural and ethnic replacement are responsible for a great deal of suffering and must be severely punished.

285625 ▶▶▶ Les Tricoteuses, replying to William Gruff, 2, #1511 of 1936 🔗

Notice all in advert live in cities, cities which are virtually empty of people. The music is soporific The countryside is pristine and only visited and at the end the narrator says “the future world has just begun”.

It shows a world I’d hate. Languid people living vapid lives, like to know who directed it.

285554 ▶▶ Two-Six, replying to Les Tricoteuses, 3, #1512 of 1936 🔗

Didn’t spot any face nappies which has got to be a good thing. The voice over was crap, no way did the voice fit the main character. It sounded really stupid. Imagine if the character was a white woman with that voice over, that might trigger a few people.

285628 ▶▶▶ Les Tricoteuses, replying to Two-Six, 2, #1513 of 1936 🔗

You won’t need masks when there is only a few people left.

285481 Banjones, replying to Banjones, 14, #1514 of 1936 🔗

I just watched this, from 1 December. Neil Oliver speaks for us all. Clear, passionate and informed. This should be shared widely. I was only surprised to see how few viewers there seemed to be! We are truly blessed to have people like this on our side.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0sbqRnv1pUs&feature=youtu.be

285496 ▶▶ mari, replying to Banjones, 10, #1515 of 1936 🔗

I listen to him every week, and believe me, there are far more listeners than screw-tube want you to believe. They routinely doctor the figures.

285506 ▶▶▶ Quernus, replying to mari, 5, #1516 of 1936 🔗

Yep, I can vouch for that. I listened to this interview yesterday and liked. I went back to it via your link, Banjones, and my “like” had disappeared”!!

285514 ▶▶▶▶ mari, replying to Quernus, 1, #1517 of 1936 🔗

There you go

285593 ▶▶▶▶ John P, replying to Quernus, #1518 of 1936 🔗

Maybe you pressed the wrong button. Again, I am willing to believe you, but not without proof.

285906 ▶▶▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to John P, #1519 of 1936 🔗

You could easily prove it yourself!

285819 ▶▶▶▶ CGL, replying to Quernus, 1, #1520 of 1936 🔗

I think if some mischievous person wanted to remove it, they could just hit the downtick and it goes back down to 0.

285591 ▶▶▶ John P, replying to mari, #1521 of 1936 🔗

Do they? I’m willing to believe you, but not without proof. Please provide proof.

285804 ▶▶▶▶ Arkansas, replying to John P, #1522 of 1936 🔗

Then again, I wouldn’t believe YouTube “like accounting” is trustworthy without proof either.

Given their establishment-friendly censorship behaviour, it’s probably best to assume they act according to their business and political alignments, and to approach all their metrics/trends with healthy scepticism — just as you would with Twitter given their tricks to manage post visibility.

285716 ▶▶ Jez Hewitt, replying to Banjones, 2, #1523 of 1936 🔗

Am listening as I write (have paused at 41.07) and I’m going to fucking EXPLODE.

How can anyone of reason and the smallest degree of sanity disagree with a single word this man says?

It’s probably the last thing on earth Neil would wish for (and that’s exactly why he’d be perfect) but this is who should be Prime Minister of the UK.

What the actual fuck have we been doing as a nation tolerating these cunting imbeciles in the mother of all Parliaments? Oh we need a fucking great reset alright.

Sorry, I sincerely wish to offend no one but Jesus wept I am so fucking livid that we’ve allowed this to get this far.

Rant over, back to Neil’s soothing tone…

285811 ▶▶ CGL, replying to Banjones, 2, #1524 of 1936 🔗

I watched this yesterday – the way he speaks and the passion and sincerity that is so clear in his voice almost makes me cry. He is an amazing orator and a really wise and wonderful man.

285905 ▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Banjones, #1525 of 1936 🔗

For the last couple of days, every time I’ve tried to uptick or comment on youtube, they’ve demanded I sign in.

285492 mari, 4, #1526 of 1936 🔗

COVID19:
COV: Certification Of Vaccination. ID: Identity Card. 19: The 19th strain of the ‘virus’
Becoming plain now, The Jab was the 1st real step of control

285494 Ceriain, replying to Ceriain, 12, #1527 of 1936 🔗

Crime against humanity!

285519 ▶▶ Tom Blackburn, replying to Ceriain, 6, #1528 of 1936 🔗

Monsters!

285538 ▶▶ Leemc23, replying to Ceriain, 8, #1529 of 1936 🔗

Why is there no push back ?

285666 ▶▶▶ Jakehadlee, replying to Leemc23, 3, #1530 of 1936 🔗

Because we are a nation of cowards, as the current situation has unequivocally proved

285730 ▶▶▶ wendy, replying to Leemc23, 2, #1531 of 1936 🔗

protests coming up in Manchester this Sunday, Birmingham not got date, and London on New Year’s Eve. Tim Martin is pretty livid and a sceptic.

285901 ▶▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to wendy, #1532 of 1936 🔗

Saturday 5th December:
Birmingham – 12pm – Victoria Square, Town Hall
Speakers: Piers Corbyn, Jeff Wyatt, David Kurten, Gareth Icke, Vincent from SOR + Local speakers – (SOR) (SUX)
Bournemouth – 1pm – Town Hall (SUX)
London Stratford – 12pm – Olympic Velopark (SUX)
Manchester – 12pm – Piccadilly Gardens
Norwich – 1pm – Chapelfield Gardens (SUX)
Sheffield – 12pm – Town Hall Peace Gardens (SUX)
Truro – 1:30pm – Lemon Quay – Memorial March to remember the victims
York (Information stand/Not a protest) – 12pm – 2pm – St Sampsons Square – Weather permitting (Free Nation)

Sunday 6th December:
Manchester – 1pm – (Location will be announced 30 minutes prior – follow the social media platforms)

All are subject to change.
Please check with individual organisers for more information.
(Individual organisers are in brackets.)

For latest updates please go to the Telegram group ‘Protest Everywhere.’
https://t.me/ProtestEverywhere

Please be safe and know what your rights are when attending events.
So please ensure that you are up to date with ever changing legislation and how that may personally affect you.
@standupx
@event.202

285584 ▶▶ annie, replying to Ceriain, 7, #1533 of 1936 🔗

Yes, but NONE OF THEM HAS THE COURAGE TO DEFY OUR NASTY SQUALID LITTLE STALIN. GET REAL, YOU COWARDLY MUPPETS.

285631 ▶▶▶ Cranmer, replying to annie, 2, #1534 of 1936 🔗

I can understand that they don’t want to break the law, but why is there no mass legal action against the government? They just seem to roll over and take it. What happened to the case that the Scottish publicans launched?

285677 ▶▶▶▶ Ceriain, replying to Cranmer, 2, #1535 of 1936 🔗

…why is there no mass legal action against the government?

This is something my wife and I just don’t get at all. It makes no sense to just allow themselves and their industry to die like this.

285686 ▶▶▶▶▶ Cranmer, replying to Ceriain, 2, #1536 of 1936 🔗

I can only conclude, based on admittedly a limited number of conversations with local pub owners, that they, like most people, believe the lockdowns are temporary and that it is easier just to sit it out.

285903 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Cranmer, #1537 of 1936 🔗

ie Sh*t for brains!

285733 ▶▶▶▶ The Filthy Engineer, replying to Cranmer, 3, #1538 of 1936 🔗

They rolled over and took it when smoking indoors was banned even though they knew that most of their regular clientele smoked and when they left they most likely wouldn’t return. And they didn’t return and neither were they replaced by the non-smokers who they were promised would flock to the pubs once the smokers had been exiled. Pubs went bust in their thousands and as a smoker I have very little sympathy for them.

285786 ▶▶ leggy, replying to Ceriain, 1, #1539 of 1936 🔗

Along with internet censorship, it’s like the 21st century version of book burning.

285507 swedenborg, replying to swedenborg, 13, #1540 of 1936 🔗

This is German hospital data must be reliable. Where is the pandemic?

https://twitter.com/JensBehnkeDE/status/1334435865905541127

 New analysis (01.12.20) of routine data from 272 German hospitals: “The SARI (severe acute respiratory infection) case number in 2019 was higher with 198,296 cases than in 2020 with a total of 167,375 cases”.

285518 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to swedenborg, 6, #1541 of 1936 🔗

I question my own sanity when I see things like this.

285605 ▶▶▶ theanalyst, replying to BeBopRockSteady, #1542 of 1936 🔗

me too.

285599 ▶▶ theanalyst, replying to swedenborg, 3, #1543 of 1936 🔗

I used to think the Germans had better checks and balances and so could never allow another authoritarian like Hitler. Yet look at how they are being led by the nose by Media and Big Pharma as easily as everyone else in Europe…quite astonishing and unbelievably unscientific. I stand corrected – my old belief in the German checks and balances was sadly wrong.

285627 ▶▶▶ Cranmer, replying to theanalyst, 2, #1544 of 1936 🔗

I’ve often thought that the devil never comes back in the same guise – he always does so in new, fashionable garb, so that nobody recognises him.

285650 ▶▶▶ Iansn, replying to theanalyst, 4, #1545 of 1936 🔗

Frau Mutti has succeeded in quietly putting the Stasi into Germany whilst they are all to afraid to stand up for their own rights, in case they are called Nazis. Shes got the same hold as Wee Krankie has. Its evil BS underneath it all

285509 NickR, 6, #1546 of 1936 🔗

7 day average for positive tests just shows the lies told by Gove et al about rising ‘cases’ before the lockdown.

285510 NickR, 4, #1547 of 1936 🔗

Flatlining hospital admissions for 6 weeks!!

285511 Jonny S., 7, #1548 of 1936 🔗

Just watching UKcolumn news on YouTube. If you haven’t seen it today its well worth a watch if only for their comments on Wancock.

285516 richard riewer, 2, #1549 of 1936 🔗

Word Salads with poisonous greens.

285517 NickR, replying to NickR, 5, #1550 of 1936 🔗

Deaths will start being influenced by lockdown from now.

285578 ▶▶ calchas, replying to NickR, 2, #1551 of 1936 🔗

Yes – undiagnosed and unperated cancers will start demanding their inevitable tribute.

285632 ▶▶▶ cubby, replying to calchas, 1, #1552 of 1936 🔗

Hopkins Institute shows that the excess deaths from covid are almost exactly balanced by the missing deaths from cardiac disease……….

285724 ▶▶ wendy, replying to NickR, #1553 of 1936 🔗

I don’t think it is lockdown that makes deaths drop, every thing was coming down before lockdown as it did back in March when the peak came on 8th April. Very easy for them to say lockdowns work

285528 Stoic, replying to Stoic, 15, #1554 of 1936 🔗

I am currently re-reading 1984.

I have just driven from Reading to Maidenhead along the M4 which the signs say is a “Smart Motorway”. If you breakdown on that bit of M4, there is no hard shoulder. I understand that several  people have already been killed on so-called “Smart Motorways”. Smart is actually criminally stupid.

Our society is currently being attacked by our own government advised by a committee of incompetent twerps called “Sage” which is causing the deaths of many fellow citizens with diseases untreated because the government has accepted Sage’s advice.  Sage is actually criminally stupid.

Under the principles of Newspeak, it is necessary to reduce the number of words in use. “Smart” means stupid. “Sage” means stupid. Which is the redundant word?

285532 ▶▶ IanE, replying to Stoic, 7, #1555 of 1936 🔗

1984: a hard read – it was tough even when I thought it was just a story!

285552 ▶▶▶ Fingerache Philip., replying to IanE, 4, #1556 of 1936 🔗

Keep the Aspidistra flying and The clergyman’s daughter are equally depressing.

285621 ▶▶▶▶ Cranmer, replying to Fingerache Philip., 2, #1557 of 1936 🔗

As is ‘Coming up for Air’ – a good antidote for anyone who thinks pre-war England was a lost elysium…

285560 ▶▶▶ Liam, replying to IanE, 10, #1558 of 1936 🔗

For me it’s the book of the 20th century. The masterwork of a genius, only Solzhenitsyn compares.

285850 ▶▶▶▶ kenadams, replying to Liam, 1, #1559 of 1936 🔗

My favourite book of all time. Even pre-Covid a hundred different relevant associations with real life. So many analogies that people use sometimes not even knowing where it comes from.

285540 ▶▶ Fingerache Philip., replying to Stoic, 1, #1560 of 1936 🔗

Don’t get me started on “smart” video recorders, they are BLOODY useless.

285544 Leemc23, replying to Leemc23, 8, #1561 of 1936 🔗

Why would Johnson or Wankcock want the jab when they have both had the virus and even their masters at SAGE say their is no point.

And as for the vaccine. Looked at it and feel very sorry for young people planning a family.

This vaccine should not be given to woman while there is a risk to fertility.

285550 ▶▶ Liam, replying to Leemc23, 2, #1562 of 1936 🔗

I’m very worried about my daughters, who seem quite keen on it.

285569 ▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Liam, 3, #1563 of 1936 🔗

The summary of safety profile in today’s update should be sufficient ammo.

If not, have a look at today’s UK Column. First half is about Wankock’s pathetic piece of theatre but the rest is a lot of nitty gritty about the vaccine.

https://www.ukcolumn.org/ukcolumn-news/uk-column-news-4th-december-2020

285580 ▶▶▶▶ Liam, replying to Cheezilla, 2, #1564 of 1936 🔗

Oh I need no convincing believe me, but anything I can present to them to dissuade them is useful, so thank you.

285641 ▶▶▶▶ nottingham69, replying to Cheezilla, 1, #1565 of 1936 🔗

Patrick is brilliant. The way he calls out the lies so directly, with a touch of gallows humor, just hits the right spot.

285582 ▶▶▶▶ Liam, replying to Will, #1567 of 1936 🔗

Thanks.

285563 ▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Leemc23, 2, #1568 of 1936 🔗

Shouldn’t be given to anybody!

285568 ▶▶ Will, replying to Leemc23, 3, #1569 of 1936 🔗

Ask them if they would recommend the vaccine to their fertile wives/ mistresses.

285623 ▶▶ cubby, replying to Leemc23, 3, #1570 of 1936 🔗

It also says the vaccine should not be combined with other medication. Since Tony the Spiv allowed doctors to be paid for prescribing Blood pressure tablets, Statins and god knows what else that means almost everyone over about 28 is probably taking some sort of prescription medication. Voila! Nobody need take it!

285545 theanalyst, replying to theanalyst, 14, #1571 of 1936 🔗

I bet most of the problem with vaccine acceptance in the NHS is that the vast majority of people working there know they have already had it and are therefore already immune. As well as that, they know it will make them a bit ill for a few days. The idea of possibly taking it to ‘protect others’ won’t wash either. Injections and personal decisions about vaccine acceptance happen behind closed doors, so there is little risk in saying no….unlike refusing to wear a mask, which the whole world can see.

So they say ‘no thanks’ quite easily to the vaccine. Many more people will refuse this as the show bumbles along, especially as so called cases plummet over the next few weeks.

The government is overestimating compliance. I hope this overestimation does not anger their masters Whitty, Vallance and Van Tam. The public will suffer more if it does.

PS – Great to see that sleazy mayor in Liverpool getting arrested. Made my day! Creepy bloke.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9019243/Liverpool-Mayor-Joe-Anderson-arrested-alongside-four-building-contracts-probe.html

285562 ▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to theanalyst, 5, #1572 of 1936 🔗

The others arrested are: a 72-year-old man from Aigburth, on suspicion of witness intimidation; a 33-year-old man from West Derby, on suspicion of conspiracy to commit bribery and witness intimidation; a 46-year-old man from Ainsdale, on suspicion of conspiracy to commit bribery and witness intimidation; and a 25-year-old man from Ormskirk, on suspicion of witness intimidation.

Nice company he keeps!

285566 ▶▶▶ theanalyst, replying to Cheezilla, 3, #1573 of 1936 🔗

Cool. I hope they lock him up and don’t let him out of the cop shop until ‘it is safe to do so’….which could be in about 17 years.

285662 ▶▶▶ Iansn, replying to Cheezilla, 2, #1574 of 1936 🔗

Mr elliot the developer who has been involved with them. A first class scammer he is

285587 ▶▶ John P, replying to theanalyst, 1, #1575 of 1936 🔗

My brother in law’s sister worked on a covid ward in the spring. She’s had a test and it was negative. I don’t know her view on the “vaccine”, but my brother in law is not intending to have it.

285553 Cheezilla, replying to Cheezilla, 6, #1576 of 1936 🔗

Skimming the headlines this morning, I was struck by the pathetic schoolboyishness, especially of dePiffle’s blustering pronouncements. World-beating T&T, first in the world dodgy vaccine approval, etc etc.

It reminded me of this poem:

My Dad, Your Dad

My dad’s fatter than your dad,
Yes, my dad’s fatter than yours:
If he eats any more he won’t fit in the house,
He’ll have to live out of doors.

Yes, but my dad’s balder than your dad,
My dad’s balder, OK,
He’s only got two hairs left on his head
And both are turning grey.

Ah, but my dad’s thicker than your dad,
My dad’s thicker, all right.
He has to look at his watch to see
If it’s noon or the middle of the night.

Yes, but my dad’s more boring than your dad.
If he ever starts counting sheep
When he can’t get to sleep at night, he finds
It’s the sheep that go to sleep.

But my dad doesn’t mind your dad.
Mine quite likes yours too.
I suppose they don’t always think much of US!
That’s true, I suppose, that’s true.

~ Kit Wright ~

285590 ▶▶ annie, replying to Cheezilla, 12, #1577 of 1936 🔗

Reminds me if this gem by Roger McGough:

I wanna be the leader
I wanna be the leader
Can I be the leader?
Can I? I can?
Promise? Promise?
Yippee I’m the leader
I’m the leader

OK what shall we do?

285872 ▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to annie, #1578 of 1936 🔗

dePiffle in a nutshell!

285585 A. Contrarian, replying to A. Contrarian, 8, #1581 of 1936 🔗

My most farcical experience of Mockdown 2: parked on the M25 in a 2-mile tailback right next to the “Essential Travel Only” sign…

285592 ▶▶ annie, replying to A. Contrarian, 3, #1582 of 1936 🔗

Gridlock is the new lockdown!

285617 ▶▶▶ Cranmer, replying to annie, 4, #1583 of 1936 🔗

Gridlockdown!

285626 ▶▶ stefarm, replying to A. Contrarian, 6, #1584 of 1936 🔗

Did you have ‘long’ tailback?

285675 ▶▶ Cranmer, replying to A. Contrarian, 5, #1585 of 1936 🔗

In my nearby cathedral city, the ring road has digital signs which say ‘Protect against Covid-19: walk or cycle where possible’. How on earth does walking or cycling protect against Covid? Even if one believes it is all around us in the air like nuclear fallout, then surely it makes more sense to be in one’s motor car!

285589 William Gruff, replying to William Gruff, 2, #1586 of 1936 🔗

At 8:09:

https://youtu.be/MYKekwGpdKE

SAGE (the Scientific ADVISORY Group for Emergencies) ‘blew a gasket’? Who is running this country, the government or its advisors?

285613 ▶▶ Ben, replying to William Gruff, 3, #1587 of 1936 🔗

SAGE (or SADE as I call them) are indirectly/directly funded by the Government. A bit like when the UK Government set up an ‘independent’ body to decide whether MPs deserved a pay increase or not. MPs got their pay increase.

SAGE is the Government

285665 ▶▶ Leemc23, replying to William Gruff, #1588 of 1936 🔗

How do you become a member of SAGE ? What dictates your membership ?

285689 ▶▶▶ nottingham69, replying to Leemc23, 3, #1589 of 1936 🔗

Being friends with Whitty.

285746 ▶▶▶ Ben, replying to Leemc23, 1, #1590 of 1936 🔗

Psychopathy

285791 ▶▶▶ DRW, replying to Leemc23, 1, #1591 of 1936 🔗

Certain sponsors probably.

285596 Liam, replying to Liam, 17, #1592 of 1936 🔗

“Fact checkers” (what an Orwellian construct that is) are a complete and utter cancer.

285611 ▶▶ John P, replying to Liam, 10, #1593 of 1936 🔗

Being taken to court in the USA by Candace Owens:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wGauh-2z8bY&feature=youtu.be

285614 ▶▶ DRW, replying to Liam, 3, #1594 of 1936 🔗

JP’s latest video is about that: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_stRRtPkvc0

285618 ▶▶ Achilles, replying to Liam, 10, #1595 of 1936 🔗

Absolutely. They give the impression of impartiality and rigour when in fact they are tools to discredit unorthodoxy and push agenda. It’s all in the subjects they chose, what they omit and the context they ignore.

285674 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to Liam, 8, #1596 of 1936 🔗

Being taken to court for defamation of a platiff in Germany. They said the PCR test indicated infection and fact checked the person.

The trick is they have to defend PCR in open court. They can’t.

285734 ▶▶▶ Ewan Duffy, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 2, #1597 of 1936 🔗

Ireland would be another good location to take “fact checkers” to court on a civil basis as its defamation laws are ridiculous. You can be found guilty of defamation of character even if what you have said is true.

285604 Chrisp, replying to Chrisp, 5, #1598 of 1936 🔗

Feeling really upset that the Save Our Rights Facebook group has been taken down. Can we beat this thing?

285643 ▶▶ Tom Blackburn, replying to Chrisp, 1, #1599 of 1936 🔗

Twitter?

Delete FB accounts and associated apps. Good old market forces.

285609 Tom Blackburn, replying to Tom Blackburn, 5, #1600 of 1936 🔗

Blackpool Gazette: Man in court after being accused of filming in the vaccine unit at Blackpool Victoria Hospital.
https://www.blackpoolgazette.co.uk/news/crime/man-court-after-being-accused-filming-vaccine-unit-blackpool-victoria-hospital-3057875

285839 ▶▶ Ceriain, replying to Tom Blackburn, 1, #1601 of 1936 🔗

They don’t want people to see the straps on the beds… until it’s their turn .

285612 redbirdpete, 2, #1602 of 1936 🔗

I’m glad to say I was in a pub in a tier 2 location yesterday from 5 until 10pm, for the cost of a plate of chips. Live music, packed tables. Only actual change from normal was no table service. Brilliant. Sage can go and do one, along with their fat puppet.

285620 Cheezilla, replying to Cheezilla, 5, #1603 of 1936 🔗

Oh dear! So misguided. It could have done much more good if they’d given it to local food banks!

At Aldi, we have been able to continue to support our colleagues, customers and suppliers during the various lockdowns, whilst other businesses have been forced to close. This is one of the reasons why this week, we announced our decision to pay back more than £100m in business rates relief that we have received as part of the Government’s support for all retailers. We think it’s the right thing to do and that the money can be used to redirect support where it’s needed most.

285638 ▶▶ Tom Blackburn, replying to Cheezilla, 1, #1604 of 1936 🔗

Spaffer Johnson likes this 👍🏻

285682 ▶▶ l835, replying to Cheezilla, 6, #1605 of 1936 🔗

Considering they weren’t forced to close, one wonders why they received it in the first place?

285743 ▶▶ Ben, replying to Cheezilla, 2, #1606 of 1936 🔗

There shouldn’t be foodbanks at all! FFS!

There never used to be any. What’s happened to the UK? It’s turning into a Dickensian sh*t hole

285867 ▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Ben, #1607 of 1936 🔗

I completely agree.
Meanwhile, while there are foodbanks, voluntarily giving money to this government to syphon off to their cronies is beyond comprehension.

285629 ianric, #1608 of 1936 🔗

What is the similarity b