2020-12-05

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286072 ColoradoGirl, replying to ColoradoGirl, 39, #1 of 1418 🔗

Stay strong! Keep fighting!

286109 ▶▶ annie, replying to ColoradoGirl, 11, #2 of 1418 🔗

I will!

287501 ▶▶▶ sam, replying to annie, #3 of 1418 🔗

https://healthandmoneynews.wordpress.com/2020/12/02/head-of-pfizer-research-covid-vaccine-is-female-sterilization/
Dr. Wodarg and Dr. Yeadon request a stop of all corona vaccination studies and call for co-signing the petitionThe vaccine contains a spike protein (see image) called syncytin-1 , vital for the formation of human placenta in women. If the vaccine works so that we form an immune response AGAINST the spike protein, we are also training the female body to attack syncytin-1, which could lead to infertility in women of an unspecified duration.

286849 ▶▶ OKUK, replying to ColoradoGirl, 5, #4 of 1418 🔗

It’s easy to stay strong and fight when the alternative is the certainty of humiliating subjugation.

287500 ▶▶ sam, replying to ColoradoGirl, #5 of 1418 🔗

https://healthandmoneynews.wordpress.com/2020/12/03/oxford-designer-of-covid-vaccine-admits-vaccine-will-only-sterilize-70-per-cent-of-the-population/
Professor Sir John Bell, professor of medicine at Oxford University, and a part of the GAVI team – Sir John is a member of SAGE (Scientific Advisory Group for Emergencies) and sits on the government’s vaccine task force that has negotiated the purchase of a handful of proposed vaccines to combat coronavirus – developing AstraZeneca’s coronavirus vaccine, said in an interview with Jon Snow that “These vaccines are unlikely to completely sterilize a population. They are very likely to have an effect which works in a %, say 60 or 70%.” Believe him, someone who has these levels of credentials doesn’t misspeak without correcting himself. Sterilization:

287509 ▶▶▶ Hugh, replying to sam, #6 of 1418 🔗

And what was Bill Gates pushing again? I don’t think too many of our lot will be taking the AstraZeneca vaccine, somehow.

286073 Judy Watson, replying to Judy Watson, 2, #7 of 1418 🔗

AAAARGH only 2nd today!!!

286075 ▶▶ ColoradoGirl, replying to Judy Watson, 2, #8 of 1418 🔗

Beat you to it!

286078 ▶▶▶ Hugh, replying to ColoradoGirl, 22, #9 of 1418 🔗

Top 10 for first time!
ps is that – stay strong against the combined might of big pharma, the global political class, most of the msm, the majority who’ve been convinced by project fear…?

It’s gonna be a long fight! Short circuit the usual channels – we’ll find a way, keep plugging away and don’t despair – you know you are on the right side of history!

286081 ▶▶▶▶ Lisa (formerly) from Toronto, replying to Hugh, 27, #10 of 1418 🔗

A much longer fight than I’d anticipated, but we’re in it to win it. There’s no alternative and we are, indeed, on the right side of history.

286110 ▶▶▶▶▶ annie, replying to Lisa (formerly) from Toronto, 13, #11 of 1418 🔗

We are indeed. And the only person who can beat a Lockdown Sceptic is him or herself.
Forward, the Invincibles!

286079 ▶▶▶ Lisa (formerly) from Toronto, replying to ColoradoGirl, 7, #12 of 1418 🔗

We North Americans have no excuse! We should always be Top 10 by virtue of time zone.

286084 ▶▶▶▶ Hugh, replying to Lisa (formerly) from Toronto, 4, #13 of 1418 🔗

Surely there’s more than ten North American reading this? (And a wonderful contribution they make!)

I feel greedy now taking up three of the first ten comments 🙂

286112 ▶▶▶▶▶ annie, replying to Hugh, 5, #14 of 1418 🔗

There are 2000+ most days, so take as many as you like, the Hugh Rate is actually very low!

286429 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Rowan, replying to annie, #15 of 1418 🔗

But still high enough?

286087 ▶▶▶ Judy Watson, replying to ColoradoGirl, 1, #16 of 1418 🔗

I know!!

286080 ▶▶ Ceriain, replying to Judy Watson, 1, #17 of 1418 🔗

Shameful performance, Judy. 😉

286086 ▶▶▶ Judy Watson, replying to Ceriain, 5, #18 of 1418 🔗

As all my school reports used to say – could to better or must try harder.

286157 ▶▶▶▶ Biker, replying to Judy Watson, 4, #19 of 1418 🔗

That’s the school report card of someone who isn’t listening to the propaganda the useless teachers spew at you. Off course i’m assuming you went to a state school and as such you have my deepest sympathies.

286443 ▶▶▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to Biker, 6, #20 of 1418 🔗

State schools were very different 50 -100 years ago. Properly motivated teachers, focus on education, valued by parents and the community. Best in the world.

Very sadly, no longer. Guess you’re a youngster, or at least middle-aged, biker ?

287026 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Borisbullshit, replying to JohnB, #21 of 1418 🔗

Dead right there John. To be honest private schools today share much of the same problems now…look at ‘Trendy Hendy’ at Eton!

286082 Allen, replying to Allen, 80, #22 of 1418 🔗

A (mRNA) vaccine against a cold/flu virus that is not tested properly for years is a bit dangerous wouldn’t you say?

All (pseudo)-vaccines made for the computer modelled Covid are in fact forms of gene-therapy. CanSino, Johnson, Oxford and Zeneca uses a living GMO virus bearing the Covid-spike gene.

Pfizer and others uses messenger RNA. ALL are forms of gene-therapy.

Sorry folks but this is “live-trialed” human experimentation done by some of the most devious profiteers to ever walk the earth.

The social engineering and mental/emotional manipulation that has been applied to humanity over the last 9 months is as diabolical as anything I have seen.

The physical damage that is going to be done to people over the next 6 months is going to be significant.

“Hell is empty and all the devils are here.”

-William Shakespeare

286083 ▶▶ Hugh, replying to Allen, 22, #23 of 1418 🔗

And please everyone, sign that petition, this really matters.

I wonder why NHS workers are no longer first on the list for that vaccine?

286193 ▶▶▶ jb12, replying to Hugh, 17, #24 of 1418 🔗

Because the sheeple would realise what was up when half of them refused it.

286437 ▶▶▶ Rowan, replying to Hugh, 11, #25 of 1418 🔗

Because their early demise would be far too obvious. Best at first, to stick with culling the old in the “care” homes, which worked so well in the Spring.

286584 ▶▶▶▶ AshesThanDust, replying to Rowan, 5, #26 of 1418 🔗

I would have thought it more likely that they will give it to the old first to prove it’s “safe”. Far more effective to introduce something which reduces fertility, rather than actually kills people.

287402 ▶▶▶ ajb97b, replying to Hugh, #28 of 1418 🔗

NHS staff are being “offered” the vaccine. So it is not compulsory or coerced it seem (at least not yet)

287425 ▶▶▶▶ TJS123, replying to ajb97b, #29 of 1418 🔗

We are told that it’s “expected” that we’ll have it….whether there are any sanctions remains to be seen but very many are against it.

286417 ▶▶ Ben, replying to Allen, 5, #30 of 1418 🔗

Virtue-signallers and pharma/tech shareholders have become the new ‘willing executioners’

286467 ▶▶ JohnB, replying to Allen, 8, #31 of 1418 🔗

Good post Allen.

Sadly, ‘ social engineering and mental/emotional manipulation’ are what one gets if one watches tv, reads the msm, and believes the government is our friend.

Bit of a severe wake-up call coming for many, but better late than never ! 🙂

286492 ▶▶ charleyfarley, replying to Allen, 2, #32 of 1418 🔗

Great post. Thank you!

286816 ▶▶ richard riewer, replying to Allen, #33 of 1418 🔗

Not just diabolical, highly successful.

286085 Hugh, replying to Hugh, 21, #34 of 1418 🔗

I would love to know why (according to Dr. Mike Yeadon on Monday) “almost all the papers claiming [asymptomatic] transmission originated in China”.

What is their interest in pushing this line? Are they right?

286105 ▶▶ maggie may, replying to Hugh, 20, #35 of 1418 🔗

Well it certainly helps the western governments keep project terrify going if they make people believe literally any member of the public could be spreading it around regardless of how they’re feeling. And the continued destruction of western economies is pretty good news for China.

286113 ▶▶▶ annie, replying to maggie may, 8, #36 of 1418 🔗

China sells to the western economies. No advantage in seeing them go broke.

286232 ▶▶▶▶ Hill Street Bluez, replying to annie, 9, #37 of 1418 🔗

Western economies will never be so broke that they will be unable to afford cheap Chinese tat. Arguably impoverished economies will be more likely to go down the bargain basement route..i.e. Chinese imports

286284 ▶▶▶▶▶ Nigel Sherratt, replying to Hill Street Bluez, 8, #38 of 1418 🔗

People starting to spot that China’s population is close to its peak (400,000,000 births ‘prevented’ by one child policy by CCP estimate). As Mark Steyn pointed out China is going to get old before it gets rich. CCP nervous with good cause.

286792 ▶▶▶▶▶ Steve, replying to Hill Street Bluez, 2, #39 of 1418 🔗

Don’t forget that Chinese companies are competing with the West for third-party business. It’s massively advantageous for them to find that Western companies are too busy self-isolating to quote for business or to send service engineers to resolve problems etc.

286248 ▶▶▶▶ DespairSquid, replying to annie, 6, #40 of 1418 🔗

The west plays chess. The Chinese play Go. And they’ve played us very well.

286460 ▶▶▶▶ Rowan, replying to annie, 5, #41 of 1418 🔗

Most western governments now seem to think that going broke is a great idea.

286455 ▶▶▶ Rowan, replying to maggie may, 1, #42 of 1418 🔗

If China was spreading the asymptomatic spreader crap as a way of getting back at the west, then who could blame it.

286179 ▶▶ AN other lockdown sceptic, replying to Hugh, 4, #43 of 1418 🔗
286254 ▶▶ Cheshirecatslave, replying to Hugh, 1, #44 of 1418 🔗
286296 ▶▶ D B, replying to Hugh, 19, #45 of 1418 🔗

My mum works for the NHS as a HCA, they have sent them all 12 weeks worth of twice weekly Lateral Flow Tests to do so they can work and live, guess where they’re made… China. She’s a massive sceptic and struggling to deal with the madness she’s working with on a daily basis but loves her patients too much to resign.

287432 ▶▶▶ annie, replying to D B, #46 of 1418 🔗

Almost all face nappies are made in China. Billions upon billions upon billions.

286447 ▶▶ Rowan, replying to Hugh, 8, #47 of 1418 🔗

The real fault lies with those in positions of power who chose to go along with the asymptomatic nonsense and apparently they still do.

286511 ▶▶ Ben, replying to Hugh, -7, #48 of 1418 🔗

I’m suspicious of Mike Yeadon. He was vice president of Pfizer for a reason

286765 ▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Ben, 11, #49 of 1418 🔗

Maybe because he’s an expert in the field? Doesn’t make him a paid crook. Means he knows what he’s talking about.

286949 ▶▶ chris notifier, replying to Hugh, 3, #50 of 1418 🔗

The West is self destructing whilst China has moved on. There is also the prospect of the lateral flow test kits and the PCR reference chemicals that come from China to be spiked to give more false positives, keeping us chasing our tails forever..

286088 Allen, replying to Allen, 9, #51 of 1418 🔗

Philadelphia Priest Dies After Participating In Moderna COVID Vaccine Trial
https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/philadelphia-priest-dies-after-participating-moderna-covid-vaccine-trial

286108 ▶▶ JohnB, replying to Allen, 28, #52 of 1418 🔗

Let me guess, he’ll be found to be in the control group?

Interesting how the article says “ Before jumping to conclusions, it’s worth noting that another priest suggested that Father Fields might have had a heart attack

So, if he’d had a heart attack and previously tested positive for COVID, it would be a tragic COVID death, but with him having had the vaccine it will be “this is purely down to a heart attack” the vaccine played no part, nothing to see here!

286158 ▶▶▶ Biker, replying to JohnB, 6, #53 of 1418 🔗

Father Ted had a heart attack as well maybe he was a covid death too

286280 ▶▶▶ Ewan Duffy, replying to JohnB, 29, #54 of 1418 🔗

As I tweeted to Matt Hancock, if a death occurs with 28 days of getting the vaccine, it is a vaccine death.

286620 ▶▶▶▶ Ben, replying to Ewan Duffy, 6, #55 of 1418 🔗

Excellent!

Including deaths by any cause ie. bitten in half by a great white shark within 28 days of receipt of the Covid vaccine = death caused by Covid vaccine

286473 ▶▶▶ Rowan, replying to JohnB, 1, #56 of 1418 🔗

However, it seems that other priests are allowed to jump to conclusions. In general, those, that are “altruistic” enough to participate in these dodgy vaccine trials, shouldn’t be at all surprised if a load of shit comes their way. Some might even say they deserve it.

286616 ▶▶ Ben, replying to Allen, 3, #57 of 1418 🔗

God works in murderous ways

286818 ▶▶▶ richard riewer, replying to Ben, 3, #58 of 1418 🔗

So does Matt Hancock.

286089 Cristi.Neagu, replying to Cristi.Neagu, 46, #59 of 1418 🔗

Is it also worth noting that it is only temporary authorisation that has been granted – the vaccine does not yet have marketing authorisation in the UK. This effectively means it is “unlicensed” and as such the prescriber has a duty to explain this to the patient. In usual practice this means that the liability in case of adverse effects lies with the prescriber, not with the pharmaceutical company.

So, in other words, they want to blame GPs for any issues. Pfizer have completely washed their hands of it, and the government is doing what the government does best: throwing people under busses.

286114 ▶▶ annie, replying to Cristi.Neagu, 14, #60 of 1418 🔗

I hope that GPs are aware of this.

286117 ▶▶▶ karenovirus, replying to annie, 18, #61 of 1418 🔗

They will be aware of one word used twice in that report
‘Payment’ 🤑

286482 ▶▶▶▶ Rowan, replying to karenovirus, 6, #62 of 1418 🔗

That’s all the research most busy GPs can ever get round to.

286477 ▶▶▶ Rowan, replying to annie, 3, #63 of 1418 🔗

If they don’t, they have only themselves to blame.

286229 ▶▶ DespairSquid, replying to Cristi.Neagu, 18, #64 of 1418 🔗

Or blame the unqualified army of barely trained volunteers they’re recruiting to give the jabs. The volunteers can’t get struck off whereas the medics…

286253 ▶▶▶ Ovis, replying to DespairSquid, 7, #65 of 1418 🔗

Bingo. Saving the NHS.

286386 ▶▶ Sue, replying to Cristi.Neagu, 10, #66 of 1418 🔗

hope the GPs are adequately insured for the claims coming in.
God the more i read of this vaxx the more determined i will not have it for at least 2 years or more. I am hoping that since the government can’t seem to boil and egg properly that they will fail spectacularly in this vaxx program. And i hope the side effects are so hideous that the take up rates will be low.

286495 ▶▶▶ Rowan, replying to Sue, 15, #67 of 1418 🔗

Why have it at all. Vaccine induced autoimmune conditions can take many years to develop. The vaccine isn’t required by 95% of the population and simply presents them with an unknown risk and no possible benefit.

286766 ▶▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Rowan, 3, #68 of 1418 🔗

^^ This! ^^

286820 ▶▶▶▶ richard riewer, replying to Rowan, 2, #69 of 1418 🔗

That’s right.

286090 Cristi.Neagu, replying to Cristi.Neagu, 42, #70 of 1418 🔗

A n additional concern I have is that the service specification states that GPs are not to record the vaccination on the patient’s GP electronic clinical record system. Instead it is to be recorded on “Pinnacle”, a system used by pharmacists. As reported in Pulse:

“Vaccination data ‘will flow from Pinnacle and Sonar to the GP patient record in a similar way it currently flows from community pharmacies for flu vaccinations’, it said.

“NHS England aims to ‘implement as soon as possible a fully automated process’ via GP practices’ own IT systems, but ‘this is unlikely to be in place from Day 1’.

Translation: The system will most likely not work at the start, so all the people that get serious side effects from the vaccine will not be able to sue anyone because “i’m sorry, but we cannot verify that you actually had the vaccine…”

286094 ▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Cristi.Neagu, 9, #71 of 1418 🔗

They have spent 3 decades trying to set up the frequently rebranded NHS Digital which should be ideal to record this project on a central database.

286243 ▶▶ GiftWrappedKittyCat, replying to Cristi.Neagu, 14, #72 of 1418 🔗

It makes absolutely no sense to record this vaccination on a separate system unless of course something more sinister is afoot i.e. vaccination passports or such like.

286301 ▶▶ Miss Owl, replying to Cristi.Neagu, 5, #73 of 1418 🔗

Yeah, right. Doctors properly using IT systems. Half of them barely know how to switch it on.

286375 ▶▶▶ Two-Six, replying to Miss Owl, 13, #74 of 1418 🔗

I have done worked with a few GP’s pratices computer systems. Nightmare, talk about things being cobbled together with string and sellotape. I steer well clear of them. Their systems are usually terrible, cobbled together by somebody called Dave years ago and nobody knows what Dave did to set them up.

Old technology, steam driven computers, complicated stuff going on that hardly works, poor backup systems. Dentists and vets are very similar.

Oh yer and there is THE RECEPTIONISTS to deal with….arrrrrghhhhh!

286809 ▶▶▶▶ Steve, replying to Two-Six, 3, #75 of 1418 🔗

I agree with you, but it’s even stranger than you suggest. My local practice uses SystemOne, which is the same system used in the hospitals and should be fully proven. However, the NHS seems to have given individual GP practices the ability to customise it by adding their own gibberish and to disable many of its useful functions. I can’t imagine Dave would have made a bigger screw up, and he’d definitely have been a lot cheaper!

286091 karenovirus, replying to karenovirus, 12, #76 of 1418 🔗

Yesterday morning towards 9am on the BBC R4 Today Programme a woman was being interviewed about bozos’ green initiatives.
Reducing UK carbon output (to 68% of 1990 levels by the end of the decade or something like that) was clearly going to be a challenge but was taken as obviously the right thing to do.
”So what might be done to achieve this world leading reduction?”

Answer in gushing tones “well one way to reduce energy use is to have an economic recession and because of the Pandemic that is exactly what we are getting !”
She was positively revelling at the prospect.

I was busy at the time and didn’t catch all of it if others care to expand.

286093 ▶▶ Cristi.Neagu, replying to karenovirus, 9, #77 of 1418 🔗

From what i heard, despite the massive cuts to travel and transportation, there is no noticeable decrease in atmospheric CO2 levels. Again, from what i heard. I admit i didn’t bother checking.

286121 ▶▶▶ Alex, replying to Cristi.Neagu, 8, #78 of 1418 🔗

Dr. Roy Spencer (who with Dr.John Christy), maintains the University of Alabama Huntsville satellite atmospheric temperature record did a rough calculation on this subject a few months ago.
He calculated that the Energy Information Administrations estimate of an 11% reduction in anthropogenic atmospheric CO2 as a result of lock downs throughout the industrialised world would have to be 4 times greater to show any difference!
https://www.drroyspencer.com/2020/06/covid-19-global-economic-downturn-not-affecting-co2-rise-may-2020-update/

287480 ▶▶▶▶ nightspore, replying to Alex, #79 of 1418 🔗

This would be especially true if the recent rise in CO2 had little to do with human activity.

286367 ▶▶ calchas, replying to karenovirus, 4, #80 of 1418 🔗

In china domestic air travel has already recovered and is already greater than it was one year ago.

286554 ▶▶ ColoradoGirl, replying to karenovirus, 3, #81 of 1418 🔗

Offset by the forest fires in Australia and America.

286092 Cristi.Neagu, replying to Cristi.Neagu, 65, #82 of 1418 🔗

In the old system, reactions that were temporally associated with immunization, for which there was no alternate explanation, were classified as ‘probably’ related to immunization. It facilitated signal detection. This cannot be said for the currently used WHO causality assessment.

In the new causality assessment, only reactions that have previously been acknowledged in epidemiological studies to be caused by the vaccine, are classified as a vaccine-product–related-reactions.

Prediction: People will try to report on the inevitable side-effects of the vaccine, citing high incidence rates and incontrovertible proof, and they will be banned from social media and ridiculed in corporate news because “WHO does not recognise them as side effects” because they did not occur during previous trials and studies.

So… You won’t be able to tell anyone if you have any issues due to the vaccine. You won’t be able to sue anyone as a result. You won’t even be able to prove you’ve been vaccinated. And if you somehow manage to put everything together somehow, the only people you’ll be able to sue is your local GP. Does this sound legit to anyone?

286095 ▶▶ Hugh, replying to Cristi.Neagu, 30, #83 of 1418 🔗

Madness. And criminal. I knew big pharma were influential, but this is ridiculous.I only hope that people start to wake up to all this even if they take nothing else from this whole omnishambles.

286096 ▶▶ Lisa (formerly) from Toronto, replying to Cristi.Neagu, 27, #84 of 1418 🔗

Heads they win, tails you lose. The trials are rigged and the only side effects they will acknowledge are the “minor” ones like soreness at the injection site, slight fever, and the like. Short of dropping dead before you get to your car post-injection, any other side effect will be labelled a coincidence. And the WHO causality assessment is a joke — a brand new type of vaccine (mRNA) and yet any new side effects will not even be considered as they don’t jive with the side effects and complications from existing vaccines that are fundamentally different.

286404 ▶▶▶ Sue, replying to Lisa (formerly) from Toronto, 9, #85 of 1418 🔗

It’s strange that new “symptoms” of this cv lark kept emerging week after week until – i think if your little toe is sore it is a symptoms now 🙂 .
Yet for the vaxx no new symptoms/reactions not be recorded is appalling.

286099 ▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Cristi.Neagu, 17, #86 of 1418 🔗

That letter from Dr Puliyel was very disturbing, as you say they will only recognize those side effects that were revealed in their own trials when obviously no long term side effects or those associated with pregnancy will yet have come to light.

286120 ▶▶▶ annie, replying to karenovirus, 8, #87 of 1418 🔗

I think we can trust the Panic Media to get in on this one, once sick sheeples start bleating – or croaking.

286210 ▶▶▶▶ 6097 Smith W, replying to annie, 6, #88 of 1418 🔗

I wouldn’t they will just send it down the memory hole

286214 ▶▶▶▶▶ Llamasaurus Rex, replying to 6097 Smith W, 4, #89 of 1418 🔗

That memory hole is going to get very full…it’s going to burn a lot of fossil fuel to incinerate everything that’s going to be shoved down it.

286400 ▶▶▶ alison, replying to karenovirus, 9, #90 of 1418 🔗

Potential effects on fertility or associated with pregnancy are of necessity an unknown. I cannot understand how it can be recommended to women of child bearing age without long enough trials to rule out adverse impact on fertility, which has been an issue with previous vaccines. I have no understanding of the likelihood of this vaccine having such effects, but I notice it’s one of the issues Mike Yeadon has flagged which is enough together with lack of testing for me to conclude that it’s a reason amongst others why I will not be going near it with a barge pole.

It seems particularly irresponsible when the vast majority of women who might suffer from any such effects are at vanishingly little risk from Covid.

286107 ▶▶ JohnB, replying to Cristi.Neagu, 29, #91 of 1418 🔗

The same as Gulf War syndrome. All those soldiers given shots whose contents are still unknown to this day. Then made to seem like crazy people and it’s all in their heads.

286136 ▶▶ Steve Hayes, replying to Cristi.Neagu, 38, #92 of 1418 🔗

The World Health Organisation reversed its long standing opposition to mask wearing by the general population, not on the basis of evidence, but due to political lobbying, as even the BBC reported. The World Health Organisation is a vehicle for the promotion of vested interests.

286263 ▶▶▶ DespairSquid, replying to Steve Hayes, 2, #93 of 1418 🔗

And look at their major contributors. And the pandemic insurances. And the background of Tedros.

286275 ▶▶ Ovis, replying to Cristi.Neagu, 8, #94 of 1418 🔗

Do not pass GO. Do not collect £120k for being cabbaged.

286097 Lisa (formerly) from Toronto, replying to Lisa (formerly) from Toronto, 33, #95 of 1418 🔗

Interesting bit I just heard on yesterday’s The Highwire with Del Bigtree. Of course this pertains to the US, but it might apply equally to those of us in other countries. He said that while the vaccine manufacturers will not be liable for any adverse side effects from their vaccine, if an employer forces employees to be vaccinated in order to keep their jobs and an employee is injured from the vaccine, the employer can be held liable.

286100 ▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Lisa (formerly) from Toronto, 30, #96 of 1418 🔗

In UK I believe any employer demanding employees be vaccinated could be obliged to provide their own risk assessment which might be very costly.

286106 ▶▶▶ maggie may, replying to karenovirus, 13, #97 of 1418 🔗

I was wondering about this Karen and Lisa. A lot of employers offer medical insurance as a benefit to their employees, it would be interesting to know if the insurers are prepared to pay up for vaccine induced health problems. But if they work on the WHO assessment, they might have a way out anyway. It all stinks.

286208 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to Lisa (formerly) from Toronto, 7, #98 of 1418 🔗

There is a stock letter on the Global Health Alliance website which can be given to any employer psychotic enough to demand an employee take any medication for privelage of working with them

286376 ▶▶▶ LS99, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 1, #99 of 1418 🔗

I can’t find that on the site – could you link to it maybe?

If one’s life is ruined by vaccine injury, a pay out from an employer will not suffice

286098 ColoradoGirl, replying to ColoradoGirl, 24, #101 of 1418 🔗

So, here’s an interesting twist for me: my husband and I both have it now. It’s a cold for me and more of a flu for him. Finally, people I know are also getting it. I am thinking that the latest round of lockdowns is a desperate attempt to keep too many from getting it and subsequently refusing the vaccine. Pretty soon, it will not seem like a big deal around here.

286102 ▶▶ karenovirus, replying to ColoradoGirl, 12, #102 of 1418 🔗

Coloradoboy has got mancovid.

286196 ▶▶ Barney McGrew, replying to ColoradoGirl, 5, #103 of 1418 🔗

How do you know you’ve got ‘it’? (And not some other cold/flu?)

286273 ▶▶▶ Nigel Sherratt, replying to Barney McGrew, 1, #104 of 1418 🔗

Or a hangover (as TY has pointed out fits most ‘symptoms’)

286459 ▶▶▶ Ben, replying to Barney McGrew, 8, #105 of 1418 🔗

If you feel fine and healthy and you look healthy – then you’ve got it. If you laugh, dance or feel happy then you’re the antichrist and you’ve just killed a million grannies somewhere

286577 ▶▶▶ ColoradoGirl, replying to Barney McGrew, 6, #106 of 1418 🔗

No way to know for sure, of course. My husband tested positive. I refused to get the test. The doctor will do absolutely nothing until you are on death’s door, so what is the point? I did lose my sense of smell. I have been taking vitamin D and zinc since April. I think it makes a difference.

286815 ▶▶▶ Steve, replying to Barney McGrew, 3, #107 of 1418 🔗

My wife and I contracted it in mid November. For the first 4-5 days, the symptoms were relatively mild and so we didn’t seriously consider that it was likely to be “the killer virus”. The we both lost our sense of taste and went for a PCR test. (My wife works in a local hospital so, despite our doubts over accuracy of the tests, it was obviously necessary to have it checked out.) Most people that I know who’ve had a confirmed diagnosis have said that it was the loss of taste and smell that was the clincher.

287245 ▶▶▶▶ ChrisDinBristol, replying to Steve, #108 of 1418 🔗

My Mum lost her senses of taste & smell after a nasty virus/infection. . . over a year ago !

286223 ▶▶ Waldorf, replying to ColoradoGirl, 7, #109 of 1418 🔗

How do you know you have it? Have you tested positive?
The descriptions of Covid symptoms often seem to resemble a bad cold or flu, and that might facilitate passing off flu as Covid.
I recently (half-jokingly) told a Greek friend that instead of locking down, we should be celebrating in the streets the fact that influenza seems almost to have disappeared off the face of the planet.

286274 ▶▶ Alethea, replying to ColoradoGirl, 7, #110 of 1418 🔗

plenty of fluids, stay warm, get well soon!

286286 ▶▶ Ovis, replying to ColoradoGirl, 5, #111 of 1418 🔗

Get well soon, Colorado Girl.

Pretty sure I had it in April. It was a manflu.

286382 ▶▶ Two-Six, replying to ColoradoGirl, #112 of 1418 🔗

Have you both been tested?

286396 ▶▶ peter, replying to ColoradoGirl, -5, #113 of 1418 🔗

liar

286785 ▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to peter, 2, #114 of 1418 🔗

Troll!

286452 ▶▶ Ben, replying to ColoradoGirl, 10, #115 of 1418 🔗

Welcome to normal life. I had flu in 2018. Felt terrible for a few months but my civil liberties weren’t destroyed. I was free to breathe fresh air in public places. I was not psychologically terrorised by government.

Governments (or should I say Bill Gates, pharma and tech shareholders) are protecting me against nature against my will

They have imprisoned me without trial to keep me safe

286787 ▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Ben, 2, #116 of 1418 🔗

To keep you something at least.

286478 ▶▶ DomW, replying to ColoradoGirl, 4, #117 of 1418 🔗

I hope you’re both back to full health soon

Vitamin D (75mcg), Vitamin C (1500mg), Quercetin (500mg), Zinc (25mg) are what I take daily to optimize my immune system against respiratory infections.

I’ve ramped these up when I’ve had cough/cold symptoms over the last several months

Even though I’ve had a couple of respiratory infections while on this regime, so far they’ve never progressed to “nasty chesty cough” which is what would have happened fairly often in the past.

286111 Albie, replying to Albie, 56, #118 of 1418 🔗

There’s potential for the NHS to be overwhelmed in the future…by selfish people who take a vaccine that they have no idea of its side effects. I won’t take it, thus completely eliminating the possibility of me using up NHS resources.

286115 ▶▶ annie, replying to Albie, 8, #119 of 1418 🔗

Albie, you are so [sob] noooble and sooooo [sniff] self-sacrificing…
An example to us all.

286826 ▶▶ richard riewer, replying to Albie, 2, #120 of 1418 🔗

Don’t overhwhelm the NHS, be a hero, say no to the vaccine.

286116 Bart Simpson, replying to Bart Simpson, 101, #121 of 1418 🔗

I’m going back to work today for the first time since Lockdown 2: The Sequel. I shall be welcoming our visitors with my mask-less face and big smile.

Please wish me luck.

286118 ▶▶ annie, replying to Bart Simpson, 16, #122 of 1418 🔗

Bart, your smiling face will be worth gold dust.
Here’s wishing you luck and every blessing.

286122 ▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to annie, 5, #123 of 1418 🔗

Thanks Annie!!

286125 ▶▶ thinkaboutit, replying to Bart Simpson, 5, #124 of 1418 🔗

Good luck Bart.

286129 ▶▶ TJN, replying to Bart Simpson, 15, #125 of 1418 🔗

A mask-less face and a smile are gold dust nowadays.

It will be interesting to hear how you get on.

286132 ▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to TJN, 6, #126 of 1418 🔗

I shall endeavour to produce a report here this evening.

286139 ▶▶▶▶ TJN, replying to Bart Simpson, 16, #127 of 1418 🔗

Edit my post : hadn’t seen that Annie had beaten me to it with this simile. So lets say that a mask-less face and a smile are beacons of light and hope upon an ocean of darkness and despair, and serve as guiding lights to harbour, home and happiness after a long and troublesome voyage in the company of doubters and defeatists on tempestuous seas …

Good luck.

286267 ▶▶ Cheshirecatslave, replying to Bart Simpson, 2, #128 of 1418 🔗

Good luck.

286277 ▶▶ Alethea, replying to Bart Simpson, 3, #129 of 1418 🔗

Have a good day, Bart. If I’m one of your visitors, I’ll always give you a maskless big smile back.

286410 ▶▶ Ben, replying to Bart Simpson, 5, #130 of 1418 🔗

Politicians have criminalised the smile. Sometimes laws are wrong and immoral

286488 ▶▶ DomW, replying to Bart Simpson, 2, #131 of 1418 🔗

Good luck Bart. You are a hero of these times!

286509 ▶▶ charleyfarley, replying to Bart Simpson, 2, #132 of 1418 🔗

Good luck, and keep spreading the good word.

286667 ▶▶ Edward, replying to Bart Simpson, 2, #133 of 1418 🔗

Best wishes, Bart. Your contributions here are always interesting.

287004 ▶▶ fiery, replying to Bart Simpson, 1, #134 of 1418 🔗

Good luck – you are a shining beacon of hope.

286119 annie, replying to annie, 39, #135 of 1418 🔗

Oh my, oh my, and we thought Covvie was bad:

https://nypost.com/2020/09/26/charging-herd-of-cows-kill-second-man-in-england-this-month/

Ban cows! Don’t drink milk! Eating cheese will get Granny trampled to death!
Anyone can get trampled! Anyone can pass trampling on!
Beware of bull shit!

286124 ▶▶ thinkaboutit, replying to annie, 7, #136 of 1418 🔗

Cows are the most dangerous animal in this country. Which makes Australians laugh.

286140 ▶▶▶ TJN, replying to thinkaboutit, 6, #137 of 1418 🔗

Anyone who has been chased by an angry cow would not laugh!

286161 ▶▶▶▶ thinkaboutit, replying to TJN, 3, #138 of 1418 🔗

I agree, TJN, up close they are huge and easily able to do you a damage.

286197 ▶▶▶▶▶ TJN, replying to thinkaboutit, 8, #139 of 1418 🔗

Seriously, I got chased by one on Dartmoor once. It had been spoked by a dog while looking after its calf. The dog owner had just been trampled.

It’s actually amazing how fast they can move, and over rough ground. Only the fact that it didn’t want to get too far from its calf prevented it catching me.

286297 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ karenovirus, replying to TJN, 5, #140 of 1418 🔗

Serves the dog owner right for not controlling it in the presence of calves.

286215 ▶▶▶▶▶ Mr Dee, replying to thinkaboutit, 7, #141 of 1418 🔗

Try to get to high ground. Make yourself look as big as possible by stretching out your arms. Face the cows and bellow loudly. Off they go in the opposite direction. Worked for me when surrounded by a herd of 100 bullocks in a field in Anglesey. The tremor of their subsequent stampede away from me was something to behold!

286249 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Nigel Sherratt, replying to Mr Dee, 3, #142 of 1418 🔗

Worked for Marwood.

We are indeed drifting into the arena of the unwell. Making an enemy of our own future. What we need is harmony. Fresh air. Stuff like that.

286315 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ TJN, replying to Mr Dee, 1, #143 of 1418 🔗

It was on the high ground and going mental. And out on the open moor there’s no protection you can escape to. Stupid really, but it’s one of the few times in my life I’ve considered myself to be in serious danger.

286514 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ charleyfarley, replying to Mr Dee, #144 of 1418 🔗

And carry a big stick. Use it to whack the nearest one on the snout.

286676 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Edward, replying to Mr Dee, 2, #145 of 1418 🔗

A human analogy can be helpful. Bullocks are like rowdy young lads, heifers are like a “girl gang”, not as dangerous as the lads but still worth being wary of. Waving arms, clapping and shouting will usually scare them off if necessary as Mr Dee says. Carrying a stick is also worthwhile – my dad used to say “They know what a stick is for”. A bull is a potentially aggressive man but behaves better when cows (women) are around. A cow with a calf is the most dangerous as it will do anything to protect the youngster. In these incidents where people are injured or killed it usually turns out that a dog was involved.

286673 ▶▶▶▶ SionnachAirgid, replying to TJN, 4, #146 of 1418 🔗

I live on a dairy farm, and always treat them with the respect they deserve, only been chased once though, and that was a bull

286160 ▶▶▶ Biker, replying to thinkaboutit, 13, #147 of 1418 🔗

i’d say knife stabby maniacs that live in London are the most dangerous animal in this country

286241 ▶▶▶▶ Winston Smith, replying to Biker, 11, #148 of 1418 🔗

No, our politicians are the most dangerous animals.

286324 ▶▶▶▶▶ TJN, replying to Winston Smith, 4, #149 of 1418 🔗

Academics who get a sniff of power.

286793 ▶▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Biker, 2, #150 of 1418 🔗

I’d put Cabinet ministers and members of Sage above the knife-weilders.

286126 ▶▶ karenovirus, replying to annie, 4, #151 of 1418 🔗

Long Mad Cow

286203 ▶▶▶ Llamasaurus Rex, replying to karenovirus, 1, #152 of 1418 🔗

That’s good///I’m going to use that for a lot of people 👍🏼

286261 ▶▶▶ Nigel Sherratt, replying to karenovirus, 2, #153 of 1418 🔗

Long pig is human flesh in cannibalspeak. Could be applied to the dPPE.

286127 ▶▶ Scotty87, replying to annie, 21, #154 of 1418 🔗

The steaks really could not be higher – we need to beef up our response to this.

286134 ▶▶▶ annie, replying to Scotty87, 10, #155 of 1418 🔗

You don’t mince your words, Scotty!

286135 ▶▶▶▶ Chris John, replying to annie, 5, #156 of 1418 🔗

As delicate as the bull in a china shop can be

286600 ▶▶▶ dommo, replying to Scotty87, 1, #157 of 1418 🔗

well done!

286141 ▶▶ Steve Hayes, replying to annie, 15, #158 of 1418 🔗

I think the government should commission Neil Ferguson to produce a computer model for cow trampling, and the projections should be announced at a Cow Trampling Crisis Press Briefing by the Prime Minister, surrounded by sombre and serious looking scientists, explaining to the country that we are going to get through this but we shall have to make sacrifices but they will be worth it.

286162 ▶▶▶ thinkaboutit, replying to Steve Hayes, 8, #159 of 1418 🔗

You missed out the ” with a heavy heart”.

Anyway, don’t give them ideas.

286221 ▶▶▶ Llamasaurus Rex, replying to Steve Hayes, 5, #160 of 1418 🔗

Professor Pantsdown is probably working on a model showing how many lives will be saved if we kill all the cats and dogs on the planet. He’s got form on animal slaughter modelling, of course. When will that narc be put out of our misery?

286226 ▶▶▶▶ Steve Hayes, replying to Llamasaurus Rex, 2, #161 of 1418 🔗

I am surprised he hasn’t done that already, as cats and dogs have tested positive for the virus.

286796 ▶▶▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Steve Hayes, #162 of 1418 🔗

Ssshhhhhh

286269 ▶▶▶▶ Nigel Sherratt, replying to Llamasaurus Rex, 5, #163 of 1418 🔗

Risk of people playing Simpsons Apocalypse Meow and just laughing at him.

286652 ▶▶▶ Hairy Bob, replying to Steve Hayes, 2, #164 of 1418 🔗

What are the chances that SAGE’s response to the cow trampling epidemic will involve a lockdown, closure of pubs, face masks and a vaccine?

286683 ▶▶▶ Edward, replying to Steve Hayes, 4, #165 of 1418 🔗

With exponential growth, it won’t be long until 4000 a day are killed by cows.

286817 ▶▶▶▶ Ceriain, replying to Edward, 3, #166 of 1418 🔗

I’m assuming that’s a scenario, not a prediction. 😉

286794 ▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Steve Hayes, 2, #167 of 1418 🔗

And Wankock saying how tragic it was when his next door neighbour’s granny’s second cousin’s cleaner (since removed), was trampled to death by a herd of sheep.
We must control the pending victuals!

286323 ▶▶ rose, replying to annie, 2, #168 of 1418 🔗

Shh. The climate change activists will be working on animals next. They think that there isn’t enough land to feed us in this country. Not sure what vegetables they will be able to replace sheep with on the upland fells.

286334 ▶▶▶ rose, replying to rose, #169 of 1418 🔗

I meant not enough land to feed us unless we are all vegans

286798 ▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to rose, 1, #170 of 1418 🔗

I often wonder that. You can feed a lot of people with a herd of cows or sheep but a field of kale isn’t exactly sustaining.

286123 Scotty87, replying to Scotty87, 94, #171 of 1418 🔗

I totally empathise with Matt Hancock. Why just last week, my nan’s dog groomer’s second cousin’s great uncle’s partner’s nephew’s best friend’s piano teacher’s gran recently passed away with Covid-19.

It’s really hit our family hard.

286151 ▶▶ Henry, replying to Scotty87, 7, #172 of 1418 🔗

That’s not the same if it is only ‘with’.

286222 ▶▶ Llamasaurus Rex, replying to Scotty87, 4, #173 of 1418 🔗

Snap. I see a pattern emerging. It’s everywhere! 😱

286414 ▶▶ Ben, replying to Scotty87, 9, #174 of 1418 🔗

And she was 102

286498 ▶▶▶ DomW, replying to Ben, 8, #175 of 1418 🔗

I hope that in her short time on this earth she had the chance for a taste of the joys of life, before she was so cruelly taken by this dreadful disease.

286799 ▶▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to DomW, 2, #176 of 1418 🔗

so cruelly taken by this dreadful disease lockdown.

287336 ▶▶ Liam, replying to Scotty87, 1, #177 of 1418 🔗

She was only 97 too. Devastating.

286128 Steve Martindale, replying to Steve Martindale, 43, #178 of 1418 🔗

Face mask petition
My thanks to the folks who agreed to sponsor this petition, I have amended the wording in the light of comments received from sponsors although the Government web-site has a strict character limit and so there was only so much I could do.
This Petition is now lodged with the Petitions web-site and working its way through their system, i will let you know if and when there is any progress.

Pleased to say that after all the work with petitions, emails and web-sites I am now off for a day of conservation work at one of our local nature reserves, it has been the natural world that has helped keep me sane in all this, the Buzzards and Ravens soaring over the local woods seem totally oblivious to Covid!

286130 ▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Steve Martindale, 5, #179 of 1418 🔗

Enjoy your well earned mask free vitamin D inducing day off in the fresh air.

286133 ▶▶ annie, replying to Steve Martindale, 4, #180 of 1418 🔗

Enjoy your day, Steve. Nature is the best antidote to zombie insanity.

286137 ▶▶ Chris John, replying to Steve Martindale, 8, #181 of 1418 🔗

Corvids care Nowt for the upstart Covid

286800 ▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Chris John, #182 of 1418 🔗

I love corvids!

286169 ▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to Steve Martindale, 2, #183 of 1418 🔗

Have a great day in the fresh air & sunshine!

286265 ▶▶ GiftWrappedKittyCat, replying to Steve Martindale, 5, #184 of 1418 🔗

Thanks for doing this Steve. I’ll be sure to sign as soon as it’s live. Enjoy your day.

286393 ▶▶ ChrisDinBristol, replying to Steve Martindale, 1, #185 of 1418 🔗

Corvids don’t get covid. The buzzards are probably riddled with it, tho – if only they’d worn masks. . .

286528 ▶▶ charleyfarley, replying to Steve Martindale, 1, #186 of 1418 🔗

And the corvids?

286131 Steve Hayes, replying to Steve Hayes, 43, #187 of 1418 🔗

It is not so long ago that lying to parliament was a resignation offence. The consigning to history of that convention has had serious consequences, but Matt Hancock’s resort to lying about his kinship relations reveals just how far standards have fallen. To lie in order to persuade parliament to rubber stamp an illegal war does at least make sense, even as it shows a complete lack of moral sense. But Hancock’s lie makes no sense. Nevertheless, it is highly revealing. If the Health Secretary is prepared to resort to this lie for no greater purpose than to provide a verisimilitude of personal emotion and elicit a sympathetic hearing, what would he not lie about? What lie would be a lie too far for the lockdownistas, who, after all, “know” they are right, and if the lie could save just one life, would it not be worth it?

286142 ▶▶ JohnB, replying to Steve Hayes, 22, #188 of 1418 🔗

Utter lies from Hancock. Dementia is the killer here. Just think what all this money that has been spent could’ve done for the finding a cure and new medications to treat Dementia.

286143 ▶▶▶ Steve Hayes, replying to JohnB, 11, #189 of 1418 🔗

Dementia is the leading cause of death, according to official statistics. Of course, the risk of dementia is age related. If age was accepted as a cause of death (it isn’t officially), it would be the leading cause of death. The older one is, the more likely one is to die.

286173 ▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Steve Hayes, 9, #190 of 1418 🔗

Poor old Profumo will be turning in his grave, all he did was lie about being with a tart.

286186 ▶▶▶ Steve Hayes, replying to karenovirus, 9, #191 of 1418 🔗

Do you remember William Waldegrave? He didn’t even lie. All he did was suggest to a parliamentary select committee that in extreme circumstances it might be necessary for a minister to lie. That was the end of his career, and he could have been a future prime minister. Of course, that was before Tony I only know what I believe Blair.

286199 ▶▶ Tom Blackburn, replying to Steve Hayes, 14, #192 of 1418 🔗

A proper journo would’ve delved right into that one. Paid a family member to call him a cunt who never cared for his relative at all, make up quotes etc.

286246 ▶▶▶ Spikedee1, replying to Tom Blackburn, 10, #193 of 1418 🔗

Aaaaah do you remember the days of investigative journalism? What would have Paxman done to handjob or jvt in an interview. Do you remember when you used to get both sides of an argument in an interview. And BBC interviewers used to ask informed questions. I miss the old days.

286354 ▶▶▶▶ calchas, replying to Spikedee1, 3, #194 of 1418 🔗

Brian Walden RIP

286388 ▶▶▶▶ Jez Hewitt, replying to Spikedee1, 4, #195 of 1418 🔗

I miss those days too. All types of MSM journalists are at it.

I used to enjoy listening to James O’Brien’s mystery hour until he started preaching about how bad Brexit would be for our nation economically. He took great pride in belittling anyone whose facts or numbers were (even remotely) questionable – in fairness, some deserved it for sharing the same maths class as Dianne Abbott, fish in a barrel and all that – and took further pride in tearing the Tory government a new one at every God given opportunity (Labour too), yet when it comes to this predicament… The hypocrisy is beyond laughable.

They’re all betting their careers on this and nothing would please me more than them joining Boris & Co in the stocks.

286398 ▶▶ ChrisDinBristol, replying to Steve Hayes, 3, #196 of 1418 🔗

Didn’t he lie to parliament about a fictitious vitamin D study?

286503 ▶▶▶ DomW, replying to ChrisDinBristol, 2, #197 of 1418 🔗

Correct. He did.

286534 ▶▶▶ Steve Hayes, replying to ChrisDinBristol, 2, #198 of 1418 🔗

I am sure that he just makes things up off the cuff.

286806 ▶▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Steve Hayes, #199 of 1418 🔗

Except those provided by the Nudge Unit.

286803 ▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Steve Hayes, 2, #200 of 1418 🔗

Wankock’s egregious act of theatre was performed minutes before the vote. It was a pathetic attempt to pull any of the gullible off the fence and onto the yes side.

287486 ▶▶ nightspore, replying to Steve Hayes, 1, #201 of 1418 🔗

Have you read Peter Oborne’s book The Rise of Political Lying? Unfortunately, these things don’t get better with time.

286138 JustMe, replying to JustMe, 46, #202 of 1418 🔗

I went to the local Chinese takeaway last night. They’d just been told to close by track and trace and had ceased cooking. But why are the little shops being picked on? My wife works at Specsavers, where several staff have tested positive, but they’ve stayed open. And you never hear of a big supermarket closing.

286147 ▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to JustMe, 20, #203 of 1418 🔗

A lot of these measures seem to target the small businesses, its as if the government wants to kill off SMEs.

That said its not helped the big retailers either. Just look at Debenhams and Arcadia.

286303 ▶▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Bart Simpson, 5, #204 of 1418 🔗

Debenhams and Arcadia were on their last legs anyway, a bit like most covids.

286156 ▶▶ karenovirus, replying to JustMe, 5, #205 of 1418 🔗

I posted yesterday about breakfast at a big chain pub No sign of Track’n’Trace at all

286205 ▶▶ Mr Dee, replying to JustMe, 16, #206 of 1418 🔗

A relative of mine works in a local McDonalds. She confirms that when a staff member is forced to self isolate, it’s kept hush hush and the place is allowed to continue operating. It has not closed once since allowed to reopen back in the summer, and is always packed.

286391 ▶▶ Two-Six, replying to JustMe, 7, #207 of 1418 🔗

How the flip can they say a Chinese takeaway is spreading the covids?
This is crazy. Sounds like a case of racism or perhaps economic sabotage from a rival takeaway with people with malicious intent reporting them somehow.

286144 BTLnewbie, replying to BTLnewbie, 14, #208 of 1418 🔗

The ‘Byline Times’ article in today’s main post:
https://bylinetimes.com/2020/12/04/alt-right-pseudoscience-part-1-lockdown-sceptics/ attacking this website is truly extraordinary.

The author sounds like a sceptic – he starts:
To be sure, as I have previously reported , draconian lockdowns have always been avoidable; catastrophic Government failures worsened both the first and second waves; and the best solutions to transition out of the crisis to near normal are being overlooked.”

He goes on to criticise Mike Yeadon’s because “ he has ties to the Conservative-led UK Government and in particular Matt Hancock!  [Hi Mike, can you do us a favour and debunk everything I’m doing – sincerely, your mate Matt]

He then says the main problem with PCR tests is the high level of false negatives: Similarly in California, if half the population became infected, comprehensive testing would potentially produce as many as 2 million false-negative results.

His main beef seems to be Toby’s FSU work and his Conservative friends, which are not of interest to me, but if this is the best the other side can come up with …..!

286184 ▶▶ annie, replying to BTLnewbie, 10, #209 of 1418 🔗

They attack us.
They fear us.
Good.

286194 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to BTLnewbie, 2, #210 of 1418 🔗

It’s pathetic. I can’t say better than that.

286218 ▶▶ Monty Greene, replying to BTLnewbie, 4, #211 of 1418 🔗

The author has produced similar hit pieces for the Jukes box Byline Times, labelling Sunetra Gupta’s work as pseudoscience. Everyone has ties to whatever.

286266 ▶▶ mattghg, replying to BTLnewbie, 9, #212 of 1418 🔗

First they ignore you, then they laugh at you, then they fight you, then you win.

286276 ▶▶ GiftWrappedKittyCat, replying to BTLnewbie, 4, #213 of 1418 🔗

They must see us as a threat which can only be a good thing.

287491 ▶▶ nightspore, replying to BTLnewbie, #214 of 1418 🔗

The interesting question is why types like this feel threatened by covid-19 sceptics. Since contemporary lefties seem to live in a world of symbols, I suspect that has something to do with it. But I’m not sure what exactly it represents for them. The necessity of Big Nanny perhaps?

286145 Bart Simpson, replying to Bart Simpson, 49, #215 of 1418 🔗

Well done to David Warbuton and Brendan Cole for fighting the good fight. The former’s reply to his constituent was measured, well thought out and reasoned.

As for the latter, he doesn’t surprise me. As a long time former viewer of Strictly, Brendan was always known for being outspoken and not one to mince his words. He’s never commented in the past about current events but his intervention now is very much welcome especially as his own profession is endangered by the insane “safety” measures dictated to by the government.

Take a bow gentlemen and keep on fighting.

286187 ▶▶ dpj, replying to Bart Simpson, 25, #216 of 1418 🔗

David Warburton’s response is what we should expect from MPs, people in charge of our country being in full possession of the relevant facts and using them to make an informed and unbiased decision. Imagine there were 650 of them doing the same! It just shows what a sad state our parliament is in when he is in a very small minority.

286272 ▶▶▶ mattghg, replying to dpj, 13, #217 of 1418 🔗

Absolutely. My MP, by contrast, could be replaced by a chatbot trained on government soundbites and no-one would notice the difference.

286968 ▶▶▶ Jay Berger, replying to dpj, 6, #218 of 1418 🔗

He seems to have used his own brain and done some homework.
A rare occurrence in politicians these days.
He probably won’t be reselected…

The haphazard vaccine rollout looks like Chris Grayling’s work.
Typical Modern British, I am afraid I must say.

It is scandalous and frightening that the dissemination of pure scientifically flawless facts, like the Danish mask study most
certainly is one, invites and causes such purely ideological vitriolic backlash.
One shudders to think what will still happen before this will end, as it will, one day.

287324 ▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to dpj, 1, #219 of 1418 🔗

That constituent is lucky. My MP is a useful as a chocolate teapot – wrote to him twice, nowt a reply.

286435 ▶▶ alison, replying to Bart Simpson, 8, #220 of 1418 🔗

I have particular respect for anyone in arts and entertainment who is willing to speak out against the approved luvvie line on anything, and especially those who are willing to show a bit of rational self interest in decrying the unnecessary destruction of their own industries instead of behaving like a cheerleading nitwits for it.

287317 ▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to alison, 3, #221 of 1418 🔗

Exactly. Its odd that apart from the likes of Van Morrison, the Gallagher brothers, Eric Clapton. Right Said Fred and now Brendan Cole; the silence from the rest of the performing arts is deafening.

286146 PoshPanic, replying to PoshPanic, 6, #222 of 1418 🔗

Here’s a good one to share with any pub landlords you know. Love this guy, it would be great to see this on British TV ( not that I watch it any more )

https://rumble.com/vbkdix-small-business-owner-crashes-news-report-to-speak-out-against-lockdowns.html?mref=22lbp&mc=56yab&fbclid=IwAR3CQn6fM1o-HOtPbmIlJjWyS1NGM8CkxG-6UAYzr5yiG2eWM-6hRpQXQ3w

286821 ▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to PoshPanic, 3, #223 of 1418 🔗

Awesome guy. Wonderful speech.

Loved how the anchor went into freaky suspended animation. Always thought there tends to be something suspiciously android about them.

286149 TJN, replying to TJN, 9, #224 of 1418 🔗

Simon Dolan’s silence over the last month while waiting for the decision on his judicial review was baffling. I could not understand why he was not hopping mad over the delay, and letting everyone know about it.

This week the appeal was refused, and he is left to go to the Supreme Court.

But I don’t recall reading anything about this here on the daily news postings, which again is baffling.

Anyone got any ideas?

286163 ▶▶ Biker, replying to TJN, 13, #225 of 1418 🔗

The courts are stuffed full of judges that fuck young boys why would you except them to do anything other than what the dark shadow government tells them?

286165 ▶▶▶ TJN, replying to Biker, 5, #226 of 1418 🔗

Yeah, the courts are loaded: cf. Brexit v. lockdown cases.

But why didn’t Dolan kick up merry hell about the delay and why has this site been so silent about it, especially the result this week?

286166 ▶▶ bluemoon, replying to TJN, 3, #227 of 1418 🔗

Check his twitter feed, he re-posts and comments all the time.

286191 ▶▶▶ TJN, replying to bluemoon, 6, #228 of 1418 🔗

Yes, I know he updates a lot, but I don’t understand why he’s been so apparently accepting of being messed around.

A full month to come out with that verdict?? The delay must have been deliberate, and likely political.

286204 ▶▶▶▶ bluemoon, replying to TJN, 5, #229 of 1418 🔗

I agree, must have been political. I thought Dolan was being careful not to be seen as being political in return! He has to tread a diplomatic line to avoid being taken down surely.

286209 ▶▶▶▶▶ TJN, replying to bluemoon, 3, #230 of 1418 🔗

How are things down in Tier 1 Land? Just across the border we are all plague carrying rats who of course can’t possibly traverse the river.

286225 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ bluemoon, replying to TJN, 9, #231 of 1418 🔗

Ha ha – just don’t try! Trelawney’s men are on the bridge.
Lockdown 2 was less hysterical than the first, with less snitching and handwringing, in my little town anyway.
Most holiday cottages have now filled up with visitors, with a bit of local muttering about “them from up country, bringing that covid with ‘un “.
Someone said that visitors should be isolated for a week or 2. I replied, does that mean if any of us travel up country to visit family and friends we should isolate too when we come back?
Tart, I can be very tart.
Some of us think that Cornwall is in Tier 1 because so many politicians and business leaders have second homes here.

286305 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ TJN, replying to bluemoon, 4, #232 of 1418 🔗

I’ve got Cornish ancestry, and in the very old days the effective Cornish border included where we are now, so hopefully Trelawney’s men will let me through.

Cornish Tier 1 does seem in part political, if only to prove on the government’s part that Tier 1 actually exists.

I’ve deliberately not moaned to my MP about tiers though, as even to enter the debate gives them some legitimacy, which I deny.

286325 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ karenovirus, replying to TJN, 4, #233 of 1418 🔗

Agreed, all the chat on Jeremy Vines show is who should be in this tier or that, nothing about tearing all the tièrs down

286341 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ TJN, replying to karenovirus, 2, #234 of 1418 🔗

That sort of talk concedes serious ground, and I think it’s a mistake for sceptics to get into it.

It’s a sign of how far the centre of gravity of debate has shifted in favour of restrictions as a default setting.

286348 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ calchas, replying to TJN, 5, #235 of 1418 🔗

Arguing over which prison camp to sit in.

286349 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ bluemoon, replying to TJN, 2, #236 of 1418 🔗

As soon as the tiers were announced I stopped emailing my MP because it was clear he would not vote against being awarded tier 1 status!

286308 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ karenovirus, replying to TJN, 2, #237 of 1418 🔗

Cornwall and IoW are both heavily represented on the no penalty for vaccine avoiders petition.

286335 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ TJN, replying to karenovirus, 2, #238 of 1418 🔗

It’s about time Dumnonia declared independence. And we’ll take the fishing with us too.

286500 ▶▶▶▶▶ Victoria, replying to bluemoon, #239 of 1418 🔗

Exactly

286257 ▶▶ Spikedee1, replying to TJN, 2, #240 of 1418 🔗

I would not think he would be invited on any MSM sites? Can’t see blabbermouth morgan inviting him on to prick his bubble?

286307 ▶▶▶ TJN, replying to Spikedee1, 1, #241 of 1418 🔗

But I don’t understand the lack of fuss over that month of waiting, and why there’s been noting on the daily postings on this site.

286608 ▶▶ Ben, replying to TJN, 1, #242 of 1418 🔗

Simon Dolan doesn’t realise this is a global coup and the legal system is part of the coup apparatus

286822 ▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to TJN, 1, #243 of 1418 🔗

I’m sure Simon was being careful not to jeopardise his already tenuous position. He was probably hoping, as did we, that the outrageous antics of HMG would strengthen his case.

286921 ▶▶▶ TJN, replying to Cheezilla, 1, #244 of 1418 🔗

Maybe – but no mention on this site either?? Seems odd to me.

286153 Stuart, replying to Stuart, 23, #245 of 1418 🔗

Welcome to Wales and the Land of Our Fathers and the Pubs with No Beer.

Drivelford will go full-on Prohibition unless the Johnson administration acts to defund and abolish the Welsh Assembly. It’s a race against time.

286182 ▶▶ annie, replying to Stuart, 8, #246 of 1418 🔗

Dungford is mad now, if he wasn’t before.
Cue men in white coats and big, strong psychiatric ward in big, strong prison for the criminally insane.

286188 ▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Stuart, 6, #247 of 1418 🔗

I remember when parts of Wales were ‘dry’ on Sundays, not exactly a boost to the tourist trade.

286260 ▶▶▶ Spikedee1, replying to karenovirus, 2, #248 of 1418 🔗

We need a Welsh Al Capone!

286469 ▶▶ Ben, replying to Stuart, 6, #249 of 1418 🔗

I was surprised to read about Drakeford’s son. Is Drakeford popular in Wales? Do the Welsh enjoy their human rights being stripped away from them?

I have Welsh relatives and I cannot fathom how anyone could have voted for him

286154 Richard Collinson, replying to Richard Collinson, 2, #250 of 1418 🔗

I wish you hadn’t alerted me to Byline Time, made me so angry reading that rubbish!

286164 ▶▶ JimByJovi, replying to Richard Collinson, 5, #251 of 1418 🔗

I agree, I nearly took out a subscription so I could cancel it.

286155 Biker, replying to Biker, 24, #252 of 1418 🔗

I’m a happy go lucky sort of chap, a live and let live sort of person but if these cunts think for one second they are gonna shoot me with their goo then i will fight back with the same violence they offer against me. It is my duty to stand up to people who want to forcefully use medical treatment against people who don’t want it. If they want to make me carry papers i won’t and will in fact declare us under an occupation army and will fight to the death against the people trying to force their evil shit on me.
The vaccine seems crazy to me since i know what the word vaccine means and how it works and yet this “vaccine” doesn’t do any of the normal things a vaccine does.
Our last hope is this slides off into the memory hole where the sheep watching the faggots in the legacy media claim millions of us are taking their sick goo and things are ok. it’ll then be left up to people like me saying no one took it you know and the sheep will just nod their head thinking bikers crazy everyone took it and look how the virus has gone.
Or not and like i say we’ll be wearing uniforms and fighting a civil war against these fuckers

286174 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to Biker, 7, #253 of 1418 🔗

We have to not them corrupt us is my view. Good people do evil things and so can you if you let it happen. Push back at every opportunity to prevent it.

286213 ▶▶ chaos, replying to Biker, 8, #254 of 1418 🔗

It won’t come down to wrestling us to the ground unless you are in a prison or hospital.. they’ll just make having a job, going to school or university, going abroad etc impossible unless you are vaccinated.

286548 ▶▶ Mutineer, replying to Biker, 8, #255 of 1418 🔗

At 68 and with a hip needing replacement and cancer I am prepared to die fighting for my freedom. Life under a totalitarian regime is not worth living anyway. I would refuse a vaccine so would be cancelled from any sort of ‘normal’ (normal?????) life anyway.

286159 kpaulsmith1463, 6, #256 of 1418 🔗

Nice to see that shout-out to Praga Khan – do a little digging and you’ll find a LOT of Industrial/EBSM music that harmonises quite nicely with both the Present Situation and the Sceptical Response thereto.

286167 Ben, replying to Ben, 42, #257 of 1418 🔗

My soul is grieving for the loss of social contact

That’s the emotional pain I’m feeling this morning

286170 ▶▶ thinkaboutit, replying to Ben, 18, #258 of 1418 🔗

I know. I miss the inconsequential conversations, the ‘How are you doing’ and ‘Nice day today’ stuff that means little yet means everything.

I’m doing that Shirley Valentine thing where I talk to the wall. It has not yet answered back.

286238 ▶▶▶ Nigel Sherratt, replying to thinkaboutit, 5, #259 of 1418 🔗

In this same interlude it doth befall
That I, one Snout by name, present a wall.
And such a wall, as I would have you think,
That had in it a crannied hole, or chink,

286259 ▶▶▶ Melangell, replying to thinkaboutit, 11, #260 of 1418 🔗

You know you’re lonely when you talk to the spiders in the bath. And sadly now the colder weather has come, even the spiders have left.

286264 ▶▶▶▶ Melangell, replying to Melangell, 9, #261 of 1418 🔗

Another clue that you’re lonely is having the sat nav on in the car when you don’t need it so that the robot voice sounds like someone is with you in the passenger seat.

286831 ▶▶▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Melangell, 1, #262 of 1418 🔗

Oh dear!

286283 ▶▶▶▶ thinkaboutit, replying to Melangell, 10, #263 of 1418 🔗

Thankfully I have dogs. Each morning I discuss the forthcoming day with them. Fortunately they have a happy disposition and go with the flow.

286384 ▶▶▶▶ SionnachAirgid, replying to Melangell, 9, #264 of 1418 🔗

I’ve started talking to my cutlery..

286268 ▶▶▶ Spikedee1, replying to thinkaboutit, 5, #265 of 1418 🔗

Most of my conversation seems to be either fellow doggy walkers over the park or virtual on the trippy happy. Get the occasion bit of banter down the gym

286344 ▶▶▶ calchas, replying to thinkaboutit, 5, #266 of 1418 🔗

I believe it takes a couple of years before you can have a conversation with a wall.

286177 ▶▶ annie, replying to Ben, 8, #267 of 1418 🔗

Yes, it’s horrible. But we’ve got us.
Should we Zoom? Better than nothing?

286451 ▶▶▶ Sue, replying to annie, 1, #268 of 1418 🔗

someone mentioned a zoom a few weeks ago – can’t remember who but would be a good idea. Be interesting to put faces to names 🙂

286834 ▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to annie, 2, #269 of 1418 🔗

I hate zoom! Besides, there are too many of us to connect thereon.

286183 ▶▶ Cecil B, replying to Ben, 16, #270 of 1418 🔗

I sit on my local bus stop for hours on end. It’s one of those villagy (no nor me) wooden arts and crafts jobs

Nearly everyone in the village knows me and they all stop and chat

Don’t stay in get out if you can

286356 ▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Ben, 5, #271 of 1418 🔗

Being out and about I get to chat several times daily, some reveal themselves as Sceptics but even Covid believers agree that bozo and doormat have messed things right up.

286424 ▶▶ Two-Six, replying to Ben, 5, #272 of 1418 🔗

I have drawn a face on a basketball

286838 ▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Two-Six, 2, #273 of 1418 🔗

Buy a punchball and draw Wankock’s face on it.

286438 ▶▶ Jez Hewitt, replying to Ben, 21, #274 of 1418 🔗

With my other twin boy now excreting uncontrollably from both ends (and my beloved back in Blighty managing our business), most of my conversations are with the washing machine. Thankfully the tumble dryer is a barrel of laughs.

I will be sincerely disappointed if, once this is over, LS doesn’t have an in-person reunion. You are all keeping me from running the car in the garage. Between laughs, cries and screaming at the white goods, I thank each and every one of you.

286605 ▶▶▶ Ben, replying to Jez Hewitt, 3, #275 of 1418 🔗

Stay strong. Hopefully there will justice in the future

286621 ▶▶ AshesThanDust, replying to Ben, 4, #276 of 1418 🔗

I think my soul has been whittled down to a nub from the continuing separation from the rest of humanity. You have my sympathies.

286168 Cecil B, replying to Cecil B, 55, #277 of 1418 🔗

Woke up this mining feeling fine. Possibly asymptomatic flu. Will get tested today

Must do my bit to save granny

286178 ▶▶ Steve Hayes, replying to Cecil B, 15, #278 of 1418 🔗

How is the asymptomatic broken leg?

286185 ▶▶▶ Cecil B, replying to Steve Hayes, 14, #279 of 1418 🔗

Painless, I was walking on it after twenty seconds

286189 ▶▶▶▶ annie, replying to Cecil B, 15, #280 of 1418 🔗

Better get vaccinated, then you’ll have a 90% chance of not having a broken leg, with pain at the injection site, headaches, and infertility.

286190 ▶▶▶▶ Steve Hayes, replying to Cecil B, 7, #281 of 1418 🔗

Oooh, shouldn’t do that. Precautionary principle. You need to stay home and self isolate for the next six weeks, at least.

286701 ▶▶ Edward, replying to Cecil B, 5, #282 of 1418 🔗

My “long sore wrist” has now fully recovered, so instead I’ve got an “asymptomatic sore wrist”.

286171 Brett_McS, replying to Brett_McS, 21, #283 of 1418 🔗

My understanding is that this ‘vaccine’ does not convey immunity, nor does it prevent transmission. So what justification is there for making if compulsory, or for penalizing in any way those who refuse it?

286175 ▶▶ annie, replying to Brett_McS, 22, #284 of 1418 🔗

Basically, They love bullying stupid, helpless zombies who will believe any sort of hogwash. Muzzle them, lock them up, stick needle into them, watch them come back whining for more … ooh, what fun.

286176 ▶▶ Steve Hayes, replying to Brett_McS, 12, #285 of 1418 🔗

A vaccine confers immunity on the vaccinated individual (that is what the word means). Thus, if a vaccinated individual comes into contact with the infectious agent (say from an unvaccinated individual), they have nothing to fear due to their immunity. Therefore, anyone who is afraid of the disease can take the vaccine and they will have nothing to fear from the unvaccinated. These simple observations should there is no justification for coercion.

286181 ▶▶▶ maggie may, replying to Steve Hayes, 5, #286 of 1418 🔗

Are you sure about that immunity Steve? Plenty I’ve read says it just reduces the severity of covid, not that you can’t get it at all.

286206 ▶▶▶▶ Steve Hayes, replying to maggie may, 24, #287 of 1418 🔗

Of course it does not provide immunity. But a vaccine does. That’s what the word means. But as with everything else in the coronavirus responses, they are messing with the words. Sometimes they will use the word to mean what it denotes and sometimes they will use to word to mean something else. And they move back and forth between the two, deliberately to deceive. They did this with COVID 19 deaths, pretending they meant death caused by the virus, when in fact they were referring to deaths presumed to be with the virus. They did it with cases, pretending that they were talking about people who had been diagnosed as suffering from the illness and in receipt of medical treatment, when they were referring to a positive test result. The did it with data, pretending that they were talking about facts when they were referring to the projections of computer models, that were based on obviously false assumptions. In plain English this equivocation is called lying.

286244 ▶▶▶▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Steve Hayes, 5, #288 of 1418 🔗

Real ‘Through The Looking Glass’ territory.

286464 ▶▶▶▶▶ Sue, replying to Steve Hayes, 3, #289 of 1418 🔗

exactly … they’ve deliberately moved the goalposts, and obfuscated the data and definition. As you say, nothing short of lying to maintain the fear of the populace who are too stupid to recognize this

286207 ▶▶▶ Brett_McS, replying to Steve Hayes, 1, #290 of 1418 🔗

You did notice I put the word in quotes?

286212 ▶▶▶▶ Steve Hayes, replying to Brett_McS, 3, #291 of 1418 🔗

I did.

286250 ▶▶ JohnB, replying to Brett_McS, 4, #293 of 1418 🔗

The 90%+ success rate is b*llocks too, even pro-vaccine experts admit that it will only be 40-50% successful at best llike the Flu jab.

286279 ▶▶ mattghg, replying to Brett_McS, 3, #294 of 1418 🔗

There isn’t. This is a point I’ve been hammering on ever since this paper came out.

What I reckon the PTB are going to say is that, even though there isn’t good evidence that it interrupts transmission, we should assume that it does anyway because normally reduction of symptoms correlates with reduction of transmission (which puts the lie to ‘asymptomatic transmission’, but since when have these sociopaths tried to be consistent?). This would be an absolutely absurd inversion of the precautionary principle, taking no account whatsoever of the potential adverse effects associated with mass vaccination.

286381 ▶▶▶ Brett_McS, replying to mattghg, 6, #295 of 1418 🔗

A reduction of symptoms would be obtained with any number of existing, readily available and safe medicines. Oh, but they aren’t horrendously expensive, so no scope for graft.

286306 ▶▶ Suzyv, replying to Brett_McS, 7, #296 of 1418 🔗

I think the “idea” of most having this vaccine is for herd immunity. So ( and I may be misunderstanding herd immunity) you should risk your health by having a vaccine to protect someone who may not be able to have it or because it hasn’t worked for them. Great idea! But as you say, from the developers own protocol they have said “the vaccine does not stop infection, serious ill health or death..” So really I’m getting a bit confused as to the point of it exactly. I’ve also read that 256 have to have this vaccine to, maybe, protect just 1 person. Well it just gets better and better. Why are they so desperate for this vaccine? Is it money? Is it depopulation? It’s common knowledge that the Gates foundation have a huge interest in Pfizer and they also have been giving a lot money to our own MHRA who are very lacking in honesty. As others say the threat of mandatory or ceoercion is bullying tactics for the brain dead zombies. Sadly it may well be lambs to the slaughter (watch this space over the next months/years) due to lack of long term safety studies alone.. Any attempts to make this mandatory, we need to take to the streets and we need a few in the legal profession to step up. The Danish have just managed to do it. A huge percentage of NHS staff supposedly don’t want this vaccine incl a number of Drs. A little bit telling… There’s always the fall back for criminal assault too!

286172 Arby, replying to Arby, 7, #297 of 1418 🔗

If there’s a virus, they haven’t produced it. ( https://app.box.com/s/gnkbs8i20mh6lo9o8f7j4rvwce94ztss and https://www.fluoridefreepeel.ca/health-canada-has-no-record-of-covid-19-virus-isolation/ ) Therefore, How can there be a disease caused by the virus? And how can there be surges? There is and never was a pandemic, for the above reasons mainly but also according to numbers given by the hoaxsters who are making science up as they go. Even the established science was, we now see, wonky. But what these hoaxsters are doing to science… They are like first time oyster shuckers and the oysters they destroy are like the established science that they have ignored.

286294 ▶▶ Nigel Sherratt, replying to Arby, 1, #298 of 1418 🔗

Interesting, Kary Mullis claimed (search Mullis Montagnier) that Montagnier could not point him to any paper proving HIV/AIDS link. I had previously thought that a conspiracy theory but now (as mere MA, MICE) I’m just intrigued.

286407 ▶▶ peter, replying to Arby, #299 of 1418 🔗

The absolute crux of the matter which this shill site conveniently ignores.

286442 ▶▶▶ Arby, replying to peter, #300 of 1418 🔗

I’m sorry to learn that. I frequent Off Guardian and someone there mentioned this site, warning that it was good but not solid. I have not visited here often and therefore have no firsthand knowledge.

286521 ▶▶ Ben, replying to Arby, 4, #301 of 1418 🔗

The video that’s done the rounds of Bill and Melinda Gates smirking (duping delight) when saying ‘just wait for the second wave’ comes to mind

A christmas card – ‘Dear Bill and Melinda. We have a nice batch ready to release when you give the go ahead. Happy Christmas, love Xi’

287087 ▶▶▶ Arby, replying to Ben, 2, #302 of 1418 🔗

I ‘love’ the way Bill says something utterly evil in his howdy doody fashion and then giggles. Bill’s, and his parasite/predator class’s days are numbered.

I can’t say I’m a fan of this commenting platform. It would be just fine if your typing wasn’t getting constantly interrupted with pop up comments. It’s bizarre actually.

286530 ▶▶ Jez Hewitt, replying to Arby, 4, #303 of 1418 🔗

I was pointed in the direction of John Rappoport (a bit of a big pharma dambuster) a while back and he’s been saying this, and calling out the PCR test for ages.

A disclaimer: I’m not a scientist and was put off by his Matrix Trilogy book pushing (and the imagery and aesthetics of his site, call me shallow!) – only because I’m one of those types that, when presented with someone like this, feel compelled to start at the beginning of any of their rantings to get context and basically ascertain a precedented level of sanity, and I’m not gonna lie, I’ve read so much over the last few months I’m losing my fucking mind – but through the fog, he at least appears to know a thing or two about what he’s talking about and wtf is going on.

His website is nomorefakenews.com and links sources and references to everything he writes/quotes. Here’s one of his pieces:

https://blog.nomorefakenews.com/2020/12/01/the-sars-cov-2-virus-was-never-proved-to-exist/

– hopefully one of you learned lot can debunk any holes, and please don’t shoot me if you do – I’m tired, mentally fragile and the revs seem to be mostly in the red these days.

287102 ▶▶▶ Arby, replying to Jez Hewitt, 1, #304 of 1418 🔗

Jon is awesome. He’s not perfect and I have my quibbles and don’t shy away from expressing them in his comments section. I am not sure whether he’s accepted everything, but he’s far from censorious.

I’m saddened to see him promote the electoral charade although, in fairness, he’s fairly lucid in explaining his positions which I find otherwise rational enough. Even so, It’s my opinion that principled people, at least those who are paying attention, would not vote. And do you notice that they are about to dispense with the charade? Technocratic society (as most describe it) will mean no electoral politics, no parties and politicians and no electoral charades and…. zero democracy. We are to be enslaved, end of story.

Jon’s blog could use images. Then again, it’s a testament to the quality of his writing that it’s no impediment. I use images on my blog as a form of communication and just because I’m very attuned to imagery and its effect. It just makes a site look more interesting and, Isn’t that what a blogger wants? By the way, If I may engage in some tasteless self-promotion here, my blog is titled “A Yappy Trade Barrier.” I’m presently just finishing up my 92nd blog post on covid 1984. I’ve been blogging for over 10 years, so my blog contains a lot more stuff than just covid, but, due to its importance, that’s really all I’m blogging about right now.

286180 Laurence, replying to Laurence, 9, #305 of 1418 🔗

The Pandemic is virtually over in the US – the scare stories are based on innumeracy on the part of the CDC and Dr Fauci.

Unfortunately the president elect Biden listens to their nonsense and is creating new policy ideas on the basis of it.

If you take the excess death rate for the 5 weeks to 23 May (based on a standardised 2020 population stratified by age groups) it was 54,779. For the 5 weeks to October 25th it was 12,562 – 2,502 per week. For the final week of that period there were 1,458 excess deaths compared to 5,698 COVID deaths, and the excess deaths include all those from people avoiding hospitals etc. For week 45 (2-8 November) there were around 2500 excess deaths. The CDC figures of 2,000 deaths per day are ridiculous, it’s more like 2,000 per week and falling.

This is sheer incompetence at best, and Biden disgracefully listens to these people.

286216 ▶▶ Steve Hayes, replying to Laurence, 15, #306 of 1418 🔗

Dr Fauci spent months telling Americans that face masks were not effective and they should not wear them. Then he reversed his advice and explained away his earlier position by claiming he had been lying.

286251 ▶▶▶ BTLnewbie, replying to Steve Hayes, 2, #307 of 1418 🔗

Is there a link for that?

286551 ▶▶▶▶ Steve Hayes, replying to BTLnewbie, #308 of 1418 🔗

Strange to relate I cannot find it. Although I can find a great deal of MSM spin on his reversal that minimises the extent of his advice that the public should not wear masks and presents his changed advice as a result of new information in a changing situation.

287116 ▶▶▶▶ Arby, replying to BTLnewbie, #309 of 1418 🔗

There’s lots of links for that. I excerpted something from The Highwire and uploaded it to my Bitchute channel. It’s titled “Fibs.”

By the way, there has never been a pandemic. Even Tony Fauci admitted it , quietly. Also, See “The COVID CONtradiction: Why Only 6% Are Covid Deaths” by Rosanne Lindsay.

When I quote some one or some organization who contradicts the pro covid 1984 camp, they may still be presenting what I consider to be false information, but at least they usually have stuck to the rules, aka established science. Just to be clear. I myself no longer believe that viruses (which are conceptual) exist. The entire Rocekefeller health care system is a fraud (which isn’t to say that it can’t do any good at all). And the scammiest part of it, arguably, just might be virology. Jon Rappoport eviscerates it.

286228 ▶▶ Nigel Sherratt, replying to Laurence, 3, #310 of 1418 🔗

Good thing he’s not ‘president elect’ and may (with luck) not get elected by College or Congress.

286192 guy153, replying to guy153, 3, #311 of 1418 🔗

Looks who’s back:

https://syndromictrends.com/metric/panel/rp/percent_positivity/organism/main

Click on Influenza A and Influenza B using the buttons at the bottom.

286235 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to guy153, #312 of 1418 🔗

Interesting.

Just in time to move away from the Covid then.

Still seems like nothing though a small increase. Those graphs aren’t great to see comparison without week numbers in there

286239 ▶▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 2, #313 of 1418 🔗

Actually it flashes up the dates when you click on it. Not a touch on previous years for this time of year. Looks like a 90% drop still.

286256 ▶▶▶▶ mhcp, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 1, #314 of 1418 🔗

Considering in that paper about flu and Covid, only 4% of the cohort of 20,000 patients were tested for flu, then the 90%+ drop could just be that. 90% aren’t measured so therefore it doesn’t exist.

Brilliant

286423 ▶▶▶▶ guy153, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 1, #315 of 1418 🔗

Yes very little still but perhaps just starting up again. I will be keeping an eye on it.

286282 ▶▶ BTLnewbie, replying to guy153, 2, #316 of 1418 🔗

If you click on Coronavirus alone on the chart, 4 different strains come up, all been around since early 2019 (229E, HKU1, NL63, OC43)
1 Which one is our boy from Wuhan?
2 Which one is detected by the PCR test?
3 Which one is the vaccine meant to be effective against?

286289 ▶▶▶ p02099003, replying to BTLnewbie, 1, #317 of 1418 🔗

In answer to question 2, they could all be detected by PCR, depending on any shared sequences of RNA (most likely the part that defines the shape for example), that the PCR test is looking for.
question 3, all or none.

286430 ▶▶▶▶ guy153, replying to p02099003, #318 of 1418 🔗

It’s easy to make a PCR test that looks for sequences that are unique to the virus you’re looking for. This is one strength of the test. It won’t confuse one (known) coronavirus with another.

Antibody and LFT-type tests are all at a much higher risk of doing that.

286428 ▶▶▶ guy153, replying to BTLnewbie, 2, #319 of 1418 🔗

None of those are the new johnny-come-lately from Wuhan. They will presumably add him to the list.

This is data from the USA and I think it’s people who turn up to whatever their equivalent of a GP is complaining of a flu-like illness. They test a sample of these people for various viruses.

It’s quite good for keeping an eye on what’s going on with viruses, and you can see the effect of the lockdown, without the data being as politicized as actual Covid data.

I suspect they’re using RT-PCR for all of them but I could be wrong.

They have vaccines for some strains of influenza. I don’t think vaccines exist for the other things on that list. Certainly none of the coronaviruses nor RSV (although there might be an RSV vaccine in trials).

286658 ▶▶ Major Panic, replying to guy153, 1, #320 of 1418 🔗

clicking on the yellow coronavirus button (don’t think any of these are covid 19) shows all the non c19 coronaviruses are currently at approx 5% of the levels that they were in early December 2018 and 2019….

Hmmm…..

Maybe the PCR test is detecting any old coronavirus and not specifically c19…..

286748 ▶▶▶ Major Panic, replying to Major Panic, #321 of 1418 🔗

LOL – I should have read the replies before commenting

286890 ▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to guy153, #322 of 1418 🔗

So all our jokes about PCR picking up the common cold were spot on!

286195 alw, replying to alw, 15, #323 of 1418 🔗

Thankfully some restaurants and pubs are being creative with the regulations. Many offering bookable socially distanced tables so you can meet up with family and friends. Where there’s a will there’s a way. 👏 👏 👏

286211 ▶▶ Llamasaurus Rex, replying to alw, 11, #324 of 1418 🔗

I went to a cinema on Thursday. The kind that serves food and drinks in the foyer and in the screening theatres.
They were brilliant. Very creative interpretation. I won’t mention where nor their name for obvious reasons. Lovely little place.

286368 ▶▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Llamasaurus Rex, 3, #325 of 1418 🔗

A nearby local is offering a substantial pizza served complete with box so you can take it home for supper after your evening on the ale.

286900 ▶▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to karenovirus, 1, #326 of 1418 🔗

I’d thought serving tomorrow’s prepacked lunch with tonight’s pint should work a treat.

286597 ▶▶ Ben, replying to alw, 3, #327 of 1418 🔗

I will bet good money politicians won’t be social distancing this Christmas

286198 Scouse Sceptic, replying to Scouse Sceptic, 6, #328 of 1418 🔗

Anyone volunteered to vaccinate your fellow human begins yet?
This is ridiculous – any Joe off the street will be trained up to give the vaccines

https://nhsvolunteerresponders.org.uk/volunteervaccinator

286219 ▶▶ Steve Hayes, replying to Scouse Sceptic, 5, #329 of 1418 🔗

I think they are a bit more selective than any Joe. I believe Joe or Jo has to have two A levels.

286903 ▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Steve Hayes, #330 of 1418 🔗

They’re the ones who will catch you when you collapse after the official medic has jabbed with the non-vaccine.

286231 ▶▶ JohnB, replying to Scouse Sceptic, 11, #331 of 1418 🔗

Duties are:

Helping patients get to the right place to receive their vaccination and be on hand to provide first aid if anyone has a medical emergency.

So this is transporting the victims to be vaccinated. Does that mean that the volunteers will be driving the trains into the concentration camps?

286237 ▶▶▶ Cecil B, replying to JohnB, 9, #332 of 1418 🔗

Yep, able bodied in one queue, women and children in the other

286242 ▶▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to Cecil B, 13, #333 of 1418 🔗

“We were only doing our jobs” will be the defence during their trials.

286234 ▶▶ Cecil B, replying to Scouse Sceptic, 7, #334 of 1418 🔗

I might volunteer.

I’d enjoy injecting these morons with the killer gunk

286262 ▶▶▶ KBuchanan, replying to Cecil B, 19, #335 of 1418 🔗

I have past experience of nursing and taking blood samples- and for the last 4 months I’ve been deluged with job opportunities for this role again. I can’t in all conscience do this, I hope there will be more like me who will be horrified at immunising someone else with something I would not have myself.

286270 ▶▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to KBuchanan, 6, #336 of 1418 🔗

It’s not vaccinating them though, it’s just driving the victim to be vaccinated, and then taking the body to the morgue.

286457 ▶▶▶▶▶ Scouse Sceptic, replying to JohnB, #337 of 1418 🔗

the Volunteer Vaccinators, will be able to give vaccinations”
https://nhsvolunteerresponders.org.uk/get-started-as-volunteer-vaccinator

286309 ▶▶ Major Panic, replying to Scouse Sceptic, 5, #338 of 1418 🔗

I’m not volunteering – I want paying

286462 ▶▶▶ Scouse Sceptic, replying to Major Panic, 4, #339 of 1418 🔗

Exactly, not that I’m in favour of vaccination but surely any ‘jab’ needs a trained medical professional who quite rightly deserves to be paid for the responsibility that comes with that.

286200 chaos, replying to chaos, 15, #340 of 1418 🔗

clap clap clap clap clap clap clip crap
we love our NHS so much we are going to vaccinate doctors and nurses first with an unnecessary and untested vaccine

clap clap clap clappity clap clop plop
and thern we will stick a needle in our grannies and grandads, some of whom are near to death, non compos mentis, 90% of whom survive ‘covid’. 90% of whom survive the flu.

286224 ▶▶ JohnB, replying to chaos, 17, #341 of 1418 🔗

Even though they’re eligible for the Flu jab and have exposure to high viral load, very few people who work in the NHS have it.

Will probably be the same with the COVID vaccine. It’ll be interesting to see if it is mandated for NHS workers, if that happens then you could see some real push back and it would mean that Unions would have to get involved to protect their members which could be potentially tide turning.

286497 ▶▶▶ Sue, replying to JohnB, 2, #342 of 1418 🔗

yes will be interesting to see the rollout among NHS staff – i can see a lot of kickback and if they don’t take it then will impact the general population’s confidence to take it.
With the exemptions etc i am hoping it is going to be very difficult for businesses to enforce a not vaccine, no entry policy as they have with masks… would be a great marketing opportunity for business to say “no vaxx, no worries”

286552 ▶▶▶ Mutineer, replying to JohnB, 5, #343 of 1418 🔗

I worked in oncology so was forced to have vaccinations. A BCG jab left my health permanently damaged and I was unable to work again. Most NHS staff avoid vaccines as much as possible.

286285 ▶▶ p02099003, replying to chaos, 18, #344 of 1418 🔗

NHS frontline staff are no longer first in line. I suspect that this maybe for two reasons, one at an individual level and the second at a government level.
Firstly, there are significant numbers of healthcare workers who would refuse the vaccine.
Secondly, someone has realised that if there are significant side effects and the fact that the recipient has to self isolate (not sure about this) between vaccinations (3 weeks apart) and is not protected for a further 7 days then there would be a catastrophic shortage of staff at all levels in the NHS and it would guarantee that it would be overwhelmed. Also, given the demographics of a typical ITU/A&E, a lot of the nurses and most doctors are female of child bearing age, some of whom could be pregnant, breastfeeding or looking to become pregnant.

286304 ▶▶▶ Saved To Death, replying to p02099003, 11, #345 of 1418 🔗

A significant number of healthcare workers would refuse the vaccine but are still willing to work in a healthcare system that will be coercing the population into taking the vaccine based on both lies about the danger posed by the virus and lies about the safety of the vaccine. The same healthcare service that has done this all before in recent history pushing an unnecessary vaccine on staff and children claiming it was safe which later proved to be not so safe.

So if 40% of the NHS would refuse the vaccine and seem to have got themselves out of the firing line are we going to see 40% resign as this crime against humanity unfolds? My already low opinion of our healthcare service will be sinking much further if not.

286639 ▶▶▶▶ sumy, replying to Saved To Death, 2, #346 of 1418 🔗

maybe the nurses could quietly replace the genocide juice with saline placebo??

286358 ▶▶▶ Miss Owl, replying to p02099003, 3, #347 of 1418 🔗

Well, the people on the trial didn’t isolate between jabs. There are endless stories in media all over the place about how they went back to their families; went to work; went on holiday.

286526 ▶▶ Ben, replying to chaos, 5, #348 of 1418 🔗

I remember the clattering of the simpletons who live nearby, rattling their kitchen utensils in support of the NHS. The same species of human that sat knitting under the guillotines in Paris.

286217 ▶▶ JohnB, replying to chaos, 2, #350 of 1418 🔗

Yes, an unfortunate term to use. He’ll be hammered for that.

286220 chaos, replying to chaos, 23, #351 of 1418 🔗

Anyone notice the Telegraph is rallying around Boris trying to shine him back up? Articles claiming he can regain his popularity… CCHQ calling in favours. The comments of course indicate there is no coming back from this for Boris or the conservatives.

286245 ▶▶ JohnB, replying to chaos, 12, #352 of 1418 🔗

Too late, everyone has worked that shill out.

286293 ▶▶ FlynnQuill, replying to chaos, 32, #353 of 1418 🔗

He is already finished. He was finished months ago. The man is a lying criminal of the worst Kind. He lied to the people to get elected, where has this green shit come from? Can’t remember that in the election manifesto. He will send us down the river to the EU and it will be BINO. Also, he has destroyed a nation over a nasty flu. The slippery pig is a weak man with no moral compass. He will easily go down as the worst PM in history. He wouldn’t have been out of place in either Hitler’s or Stalin’s inner circle.

286470 ▶▶▶ karenovirus, replying to FlynnQuill, 2, #354 of 1418 🔗

Masked up Covid worshippers agree that bozo has screwed everything up.

286501 ▶▶ Ben, replying to chaos, 3, #355 of 1418 🔗

Perhaps the Telegraph is trying to protect the Conservative Party. In this instance I don’t disagree, because Keir Starmer’s threats of totalitarianism and harsher lockdowns sound like a reincarnation of Benito Mussolini waiting to be born

286587 ▶▶ Jez Hewitt, replying to chaos, 4, #356 of 1418 🔗

All the Kiwi in the world ain’t gonna polish our PM turd.

286227 Cecil B, replying to Cecil B, 39, #357 of 1418 🔗

Good luck to everyone marching, oops sorry walking in Birmingham today

It is likely the police will use the same tactics as they used in London

Snatch Squads targeting women in order to provoke a response

Do not respond. Do not get violent. Passive and polite at all times

Volunteer yourself for arrest. Approach a police officer and say ‘ I am hear illegally please arrest me’

The police will later want to publish a narrative of x number of arrests and x number of officers injured. Give them the first but not the second

The police will be using holding/processing centres which do not have cells. If everyone arrested refuses to give their name and address the police will be unable to process them.

If you do not give your name and address the police will have to allocate at least two officers to guard each prisoner

Demand a solicitor attends and visits you in custody and that they call a doctor for you. As an arrested person you entitled to both these rights (free of charge to you) under The Police and Criminal Evidence Act

You can string out the process for 24hours. If you decide to stay there and sit out the 24hours so do they.

These tactics will suck officers from the street into the holding centres where they will be bogged down by process.

The police will eventually run out resources and trust me they will get fed up before you do

I do not do social media, if you are part the walk please circulate this

286236 ▶▶ Brett_McS, replying to Cecil B, 14, #358 of 1418 🔗

This is basically the Ghandi method. I think it has worked before!

286471 ▶▶ Ben, replying to Cecil B, 5, #359 of 1418 🔗

Dixon of Dock Green has sadly become a distant memory – an ideal. Today, collectively, the police have become vindictive brownshirts who care nothing about justice or morality

286481 ▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Cecil B, 3, #360 of 1418 🔗

Claim the arresting officer made aspersions of a homophobic nature about you and dismissed your reasonable claim to be exempt from wearing a mask (in the holding centre) as ‘a load of old flannel’ = Disability Discrimination

286507 ▶▶ Sue, replying to Cecil B, 1, #361 of 1418 🔗

why does it take 2 plods to guard each prisoner? Are they that incompetent these days. Surely they can load the vans up and 2 plods guard the lot…

286230 Steve Hayes, replying to Steve Hayes, 1, #362 of 1418 🔗

Does anyone know if race horses are tested for the virus?

286281 ▶▶ Spikedee1, replying to Steve Hayes, 5, #363 of 1418 🔗

Why do you have a bet on?

286569 ▶▶▶ Steve Hayes, replying to Spikedee1, 1, #364 of 1418 🔗

No. I ask the question because according to the official narrative there is substantial asymptomatic transmission and other species can be infected (cats, dogs and mink have all tested positive). So, if the government believes its own narrative, it would see horses as a potential vector for transmission of the virus and would have required the organisers of horse races to have put in place a testing regime to ensure that horses who tested positive were subject to quarantine and any people who had had close contact with said horses would be required to self isolate. However, as far as I am aware, this has not happened. If it has not, it is, at least, a significant failure to protect the people from this cruel and deadly disease.

286240 ianric, replying to ianric, 39, #365 of 1418 🔗

When the lockdown was introduced in March did you initially feel there was dangerous threat from a virus and we were in a real pandemic and then changed your mind and saw there was no threat or did you feel from the start we were not in a pandemic. What kind of things made you think we were not in a pandemic. For me these are the things which made to feel we were not in a pandemic :-

·       We are constantly being bombarded with the message we are in a deadly pandemic by the media, the internet and government but saw no evidence of this. I don’t see huge numbers dying, large numbers surviving but becoming very ill and everyone around me is healthy. If it wasn’t for the media and government hysteria, no one would notice we were in a pandemic. I constantly hear in youtube comments about people who don’t know anyone with covid. The pandemic only exists in TV, newspapers, the internet and what the government says and the pandemic doesn’t exist in the real world. How do you explain this if are in the middle of deadly pandemic and how can this pandemic remain invisible for eight months?

·       The government employed covid marshals to ensure people were following rules. In a real pandemic where there was a genuine threat people would voluntarily take precautions without the government needing to employ people for this.

·       I suspect the mainstream media has been paid off by the government to pump out fear porn propaganda. Why would this be necessary in a real pandemic? A real plague doesn’t need a PR campaign.

286321 ▶▶ calchas, replying to ianric, 24, #366 of 1418 🔗

Exactly.

I became sceptical about March 25th, when I noticed 4 things:

Nobody around me was getting ill.

Massive state fear propaganda – in a real crisis they would be callimg for calm.

We were constantly told : ‘ life has changed forever’.

Analysis of evidence and statistics at swprs.org

286549 ▶▶▶ Basileus, replying to calchas, 2, #367 of 1418 🔗

Me too. It was obvious that the costs of lockdown could not be justified on the basis of projected lives saved.

286364 ▶▶ Alan P, replying to ianric, 5, #368 of 1418 🔗

10th March was when I saw the first signs that this was a huge overreaction to a tougher than usual virus, but within the envelope of other seasonal flu epidemics.

286475 ▶▶ PoshPanic, replying to ianric, 11, #369 of 1418 🔗

I had a brief wobble the week before lockdown, where I wasn’t sure what the hell was going on. Having been through the Swine Flu fiasco, I was well aware of the WHO’s track record with the drug companies and looked up what Wolfgang Wodarg, who’d launched a corruption case against them, was saying.

For me it was the overwhelming evidence then, that this was nothing that unusual, combined with the huge level of propaganda being rolled out…it wasn’t public health information, it was and is, out and out fear propaganda.

286496 ▶▶▶ Ben, replying to PoshPanic, 8, #370 of 1418 🔗

Dr Wolfgang Wodarg is an absolute hero. He must be fearless to stand up to these evil institutions

286490 ▶▶ Ben, replying to ianric, 15, #371 of 1418 🔗

I watched a video interview of Prof Sucharit Bhakdi (German with English subtitles). It was after watching it that I knew something was terribly, terribly wrong and that the Government was lying

Nothing has changed. I believe this is WW3 – a global coup – and the aggressor is a single entity of vested interests (Bill Gates, WEF, Pharma, the banks and others who remain unknown..) and all countries are occupied via compromised politicians. I wish it was about a virus

I still don’t know anyone who’s had it

286499 ▶▶ karenovirus, replying to ianric, 8, #372 of 1418 🔗

Being out and about from day one of lockdown I knew after three weeks that the worst was over and it had been nothing.like as bad as was being presented.
I’d given up on the Telegraph by end of March and have not viewed or listened to a single daily update by bozo as they would obviously be propaganda lies.

286591 ▶▶ Steve Hayes, replying to ianric, 3, #373 of 1418 🔗

It was obviously nothing to worry about from the outset. In early January, the government decided, on the basis of expert advice, to not secure the border, that is, given the nature of international travel, to import the virus. And it duly arrived later that month in the form of two Chinese people, who landed at Heathrow, travelled freely to London, made their way up the country to York, before seeking medical attention and being diagnosed as having the disease. Even after this, the government did not secure the border and has continued to this day to import the virus.

286609 ▶▶ Alice, replying to ianric, 3, #374 of 1418 🔗

I think I must give credit to Freddy Sayers on Unheard for my scepticism (especially his interview with Michael Levitt).

286670 ▶▶ Jez Hewitt, replying to ianric, 10, #375 of 1418 🔗

I had the worst cough I’ve ever experienced (for about 6 weeks) from mid November 2019 to beginning of Jan 2020. One of our employees is from northern Italy and she had it prior to me so when images of over-spilling hospitals in Italy started appearing, I assumed I had already caught it (no tests then so can’t confirm).

As no one was keeling over in the streets I just though the government were being overly cautious with the fear bollocks and the first mass hysterical lockdown.

Then, around late April, with no other symptoms, I completely lost my sense of taste and smell for two weeks (prior to it being officially a symptom) – again, no test, so couldn’t be sure, but at 49yrs old, I had never experienced such a thing in my life. Ironically, it was around this time I was whatsapped a link to the WEF site and thinking, yeah right, as if – conspiracy theory bollocks. Interestingly, it was also being bandied about that 5G was causing this and people were attacking masts etc which just further fueled my dismissal of such theories

My suspicion was first aroused by them not closing the airports (or at least by not testing temperatures on arrival), but was quickly dismissed as thinking the government were showing normal signs of incompetence.

Then my bullshit detector starting twitching with the dismissal of some pretty distinguished docs and professors’ opinions – I mean, surely they would want as many expert opinions as they could get, right?

Late summer I started reading LS (not the comments mind) and thought this makes sense, end the lockdowns as they make no sense whatsoever. Then, after going back through the previous days on the site and seeing the data making no justification for borrowing £330 billion (I mean, we had 10 year of austerity to save £30 billion??). Once I’d realised the level of censorship going on across all platforms, the penny was gaining pace.

As soon as i started reading the comments here (and actually digging around after some of the posts in the DM comments) I arrived back at the WEF site. Another post got me to The Mirror Project, and I imploded. With the whole world following the same script, deep shit time.

The short answer is the continued lack of applying common sense. How many coincidences before it’s mathematically impossible? In my opinion, we’re now at that point.

I’m faithless, but may everyone else’s God be with us all.

286769 ▶▶ annie, replying to ianric, 4, #376 of 1418 🔗

I didn’t belueve any of their lies for a single instant. Not in March, not ever.

286252 Ann Turner, replying to Ann Turner, #377 of 1418 🔗

Reply from my MP when asked if the vaccine will be mandatory. Not a very reassuring answer to be hones!!
The UK has never had compulsory vaccination and I hope we never need to. The evidence compulsory vaccination policies work is patchy. However, given that any vaccine approved for use in the UK would have been proven to be safe and that we will need high vaccine take-up for one to be fully effective, I’m increasingly openminded about what approaches are tried in future. There’s an alarming trend of people believing vaccines are dangerous – they may not be perfect but they are much, much safer than the diseases they protect us from. You only need to look at rising measles deaths amongst children to see the dangers to others of people not getting vaccinated. I hope we will see strong voluntary take-up making other approaches unnecessary.

286316 ▶▶ calchas, replying to Ann Turner, 4, #378 of 1418 🔗

So, how do you view the cost/benefit analysis with the ‘covid vaccine’ ?

Since it has not been properly tested how can we possibly know the balance of risks?

286319 ▶▶ mattghg, replying to Ann Turner, 12, #379 of 1418 🔗

“There’s an alarming trend of people believing vaccines are dangerous – they may not be perfect but they are much, much safer than the diseases they protect us from.”

That depends on the vaccine, and the disease. I’m in my 30s with no known underlying health conditions; the danger to me from covid (if I catch it!) is miniscule. But the risk of an experimental vaccine is … unknown!

286326 ▶▶ Nsklent, replying to Ann Turner, 11, #380 of 1418 🔗

My comment to him would be to refer to internationsl human rights laws we have signed up to, of note the Nuremberg Code. If the UK no longer considers membership of such institutions relevant, then this needs extensive debate in parliament and a public referendum.

287158 ▶▶ Ben, replying to Ann Turner, 1, #381 of 1418 🔗

Coronaviruses are not measles

286255 Major Panic, replying to Major Panic, 27, #382 of 1418 🔗

I’ve never heard of David Warburton MP before but what a superb letter!

I just read his ”About David” on his website and he is an extremely accomplished person.

That, and the logical thinking apparent from his letter, makes him potential Boris replacement material and, importantly, he is neither a lawyer or a journalist.

286278 ▶▶ JohnB, replying to Major Panic, 5, #383 of 1418 🔗

They are all the same, a bit of dissent means nothing, look at Johnson whose the same as May and Cameron. Cut them all open and they’re like a stick of Blackpool rock.

286290 ▶▶ FlynnQuill, replying to Major Panic, 9, #384 of 1418 🔗

Excellent letter by Warburton. A rare bread, an MP with a brain and a moral compass. His arguments are bang on and can easily be backed by evidence.

286757 ▶▶ Ceriain, replying to Major Panic, 2, #385 of 1418 🔗

I’m a ‘numbers’ guy, as many know from my posts. What I found interesting were these two comments:

“The data showing massive increases in infections/deaths has been shown to be dubious at almost every turn.”

“This is nearly four times the number of presumed Covid deaths.”

He DOESN’T believe the Government’s numbers. Good man!

287074 ▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Ceriain, 1, #386 of 1418 🔗

Only idiots do!

286258 mattghg, 9, #387 of 1418 🔗

The Telegraph reports that the Government has said it will be months before having the vaccine will exempt a person from having to self-isolate if contacted by NHS Test and Trace because it’s not been confirmed it prevents transmission.

Which, as I keep saying, removes any reason anyone could have for using coercion to get people to have the vaccine.

286271 John Stone, replying to John Stone, 9, #388 of 1418 🔗

Helen Westwood’s analysis is interesting, however, irrespective of licensing the GP’s obligation and the government’s is to make sure that any consent to be vaccinated is fully informed. With informed consent the legal liability lies with the patient but it has to be free and fully informed (as required by the Montgomery vs Lanarkshire ruling in 2015). Obviously, if information is withheld there is a problem, and apart from anything else there is a serious lack of information about the Pfizer vaccine. A liability will always lie with the doctor to make sure consent is informed even after the product is licensed.

286331 ▶▶ Rachel.C, replying to John Stone, 4, #389 of 1418 🔗

I presume we’ll all be asked to sign consent forms, which means those administering the vaccine will have to explain the risks to every patient. The Information for Healthcare Providers referenced in yesterday’s LS blog suggests for instance that as yet there is no evidence on compatibility with other medicinal products. Surely this problem alone will raise questions for the vulnerable who are on various drugs already.

286461 ▶▶▶ John Stone, replying to Rachel.C, 2, #390 of 1418 🔗

That anyone will properly explain the risks is presently only a theoretical hope but there is undoubtedly a legal obligation to do so. Moreover, the government seem to be recruiting an army of amateurs with no professional obligations, who think it is all a great idea and couldn’t care less about the detail. There is little doubt our licensing processes and drug surveillance are a sham.

287077 ▶▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to John Stone, #391 of 1418 🔗

They could read the main adverse effects off a card.

286502 ▶▶ thinkaboutit, replying to John Stone, 3, #392 of 1418 🔗

I don’t think any doctor can explain the risks at this stage…we seem to be part of the experiment.

286643 ▶▶▶ John Stone, replying to thinkaboutit, 1, #393 of 1418 🔗

The unknowns about the product well exceed the knowns. I think they are obligated to tell them that, frankly.

286287 crimsonpirate, replying to crimsonpirate, 14, #394 of 1418 🔗

interesting substantial menu in one bar today. I guess that’s a pot noodle

286298 ▶▶ Major Panic, replying to crimsonpirate, 2, #395 of 1418 🔗

Would Pot Noodle have a case to sue the government if a pot noodle was not classed as a substantial meal?

286446 ▶▶▶ stefarm, replying to Major Panic, 4, #396 of 1418 🔗

Is there a scotch egg flavoured pot noodle?

286779 ▶▶▶▶ annie, replying to stefarm, 3, #397 of 1418 🔗

Pot McEggnog?

286288 Just about sane, replying to Just about sane, 5, #398 of 1418 🔗

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“What’s the real story of COVID-19 in Scotland?” – Thorough sceptical article from Christine Padgham, a health physicist now running Recovery Scotland, in Think Scotland, with input from Dr Clare Craig

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I only state this, as I would really like to see the truth about the figures in Scotland. I can check the government websites for deaths etc but the only charts and data I can find are government data and I don’t trust the covid data.

There is not a lot of groups set up in Scotland discussing the implications of the restrictions. I seem to be alone in this, I know people who are not obeying the rules but they won’t do anything about getting rid of the rules.

286299 ▶▶ maggie may, replying to Just about sane, 5, #399 of 1418 🔗

Yes, it seems the whole Think Scotland website has given up. Maybe thinking is no longer possible in Scotland.

286310 ▶▶▶ Just about sane, replying to maggie may, 5, #400 of 1418 🔗

My fear is that thinking has been abandoned in Scotland. The only narrative I read is continuing complaints about people not obeying the rules and if one more person complains about lack of social distancing, I think I may scream at them to get a fkn life and let me live mine.

286352 ▶▶▶ kf99, replying to maggie may, 2, #401 of 1418 🔗

It’s a must-read site when it is up. Another good one is https://www.these-islands.co.uk/

286322 ▶▶ stefarm, replying to Just about sane, 14, #402 of 1418 🔗

I really don’t know what is going on in Scotland, I’ve only lived here for 18 months but was a regular visitor (visiting OH, regular trips visiting friends etc). When I first started visiting 8-9 years ago it was a breath of fresh air to come from London to visit Edinburgh, a beautiful city, smaller than London with friendly people, people used to talk to me on the bus, never in London!!

In the last 9 months the majority of the people have capitulated, the city is a shit hole, litter and dog shit everywhere. Brow beaten, depressed. Maybe SNP have literally taken over. Maybe they have indoctrinated the young, there seems to be very little push back from 18-30 year olds, just dumb compliance or general dumbness.

Most people I’ve spoken too hate SNP and call her every name under the sun but are still going along with the charade. Maybe it is part of their plan to make every school leaver a dumb robot with no expectations or ambition. I work with people who have teenage children, there is no concern just ‘well it’s the rules, bit silly but….’ fucking hell I feel like shaking them, your future and the future of your children are fucked. Wake up.

I went to the post office on Thursday, freezing cold. Dumb people queuing outside, fully masked. I new what the queue was for and said to the unmasked bloke at the front ‘is this the queue for the post office or the queue for buying bread and toilet roll’

Slight smile of recognition, ‘queue for the post office’

Stupid woman standing behind him with her Louis Vuitton handbag and designer gimp mask looked at me with dead eyes…

At least I wasn’t the only one without a mask. Door opened and the bloke put on his mask and walked in, bought a stamp and then took it off when he walked out.

For fuck sake, grow some balls. Any sniff of a punch up at an old firm derby and the boys pretend to grow some!!

Phew, sorry about that.

286445 ▶▶▶ JHuntz, replying to stefarm, 3, #403 of 1418 🔗

I’m with you Stefarm our country is a bunch of fucking cowards.

286565 ▶▶▶▶ Just about sane, replying to JHuntz, 4, #404 of 1418 🔗

I have to agree with you, I’m ashamed of the majority of Scots.
I can’t believe that my generation and older were part of the campaign against the poll tax. We one that battle only by a lot of us, me included, by stopping paying the poll tax. To me that was a scary time as I had a family to bring up and work and deal with the sherriff office letters and threats. I’m a law abiding citizen or at least I was until this year.

Now these same people are enjoying their retirement and don’t see a problem with these laws, or they’re getting paid to sit on their backsides at home and don’t want to rock that boat or they have read every scrap of propaganda and are now to terrified to leave home. I honestly don’t know what ones are the worst.

286607 ▶▶▶▶ stefarm, replying to JHuntz, #405 of 1418 🔗

You have to completely destroy something before you rebuild it.

Barring a few grey hairs i’m perfectly happy the way I am.

286780 ▶▶▶ annie, replying to stefarm, 3, #406 of 1418 🔗

It’s the dead eyes that get me. And the shrinking away from anything properly human.
They’re like those squelchy things that you sometimes find under stones in the garden.

286291 Awkward Git, replying to Awkward Git, 3, #407 of 1418 🔗

Pfizer and others using a bioluminescence factor in their vaccines research and testing:

https://www.fpbase.org/protein/mneongreen/

Is this what those wrist “thermometers” really look for?

It’s made from this aborted foetal cell line:

https://micro.magnet.fsu.edu/primer/techniques/fluorescence/gallery/cells/mrc5/mrc5cells.html

But looks like someone else owns the technology:

https://www.expertinstitute.com/resources/insights/pfizer-regeneron-face-infringement-suits-over-covid-19-vaccine-technology/

286302 ▶▶ Andy Riley, replying to Awkward Git, #408 of 1418 🔗

Is this something to worry about?

286371 ▶▶▶ Awkward Git, replying to Andy Riley, 1, #409 of 1418 🔗

Changes your DNA apparently.

286372 ▶▶▶ Awkward Git, replying to Andy Riley, 2, #410 of 1418 🔗

Mark of the Beast?

Identifying mark for the compliant?

Non-Reversible.

286782 ▶▶▶ annie, replying to Andy Riley, 2, #411 of 1418 🔗

It ought to be if you’re a Catholic, but Catholics are now being told that abortion is just fine, so long as you condemn the woman who had the abortion first, and then go on to consume thr foetal material in order to keep yourself safe.

286292 Cecil B, replying to Cecil B, 15, #412 of 1418 🔗

In my opinion March 2020 to January 2021 will become known as the ‘happy times’ (apologies to Das Boot)

Around the middle of 2021 the real damage caused to the country by the pig dictator will become apparent

Buy tinned goods, powdered milk etc, turn your home into a fortress and obtain the means of defending you and yours

286311 ▶▶ calchas, replying to Cecil B, 3, #413 of 1418 🔗

Sound advice.

286295 maggie may, replying to maggie may, 20, #414 of 1418 🔗

Karol Sikora: vaccine distribution ‘is chaos…only half the number of vaccine vials have arrived’ (youtube.com)

I was very concerned listening to this interview when Mike Graham was asking him about concerns over future side-effects, his only answer was we’ll have to wait and see. Seems a very blase approach to the possibility of young women finding they have become infertile through being vaccinated, which is of course something they don’t know about.

this is the point i am going to make to my MP re the debate about no penalties for refusing vaccine. It is shocking to think that especially young women might be forced to have the vaccine (because it will enable them to eg travel or go to certain events) only to find some years down the line that they can’t have children.

286312 ▶▶ Les Tricoteuses, replying to maggie may, 8, #415 of 1418 🔗

If you wish to curb population growth men are totally irrelevant, just one man would be enough to restart a human population. Women on the other hand….. …

286317 ▶▶ Saved To Death, replying to maggie may, 12, #416 of 1418 🔗

A vaccine that is entirely unnecessary and comes as the result of a squandering of resources like we have never before seen. Even those that manage to avoid taking the vaccine will be paying for the rest of their lives.

286345 ▶▶ kf99, replying to maggie may, 7, #417 of 1418 🔗
  • Agreed. You could equally argue for a ‘wait-and-see’ approach to the virus itself with no vaccines or lockdowns.
286454 ▶▶ Julian, replying to maggie may, 1, #418 of 1418 🔗

I would like to know what he means by “wait and see”. Seems a very odd thing to say for a doctor who has sworn to do no harm.

287097 ▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Julian, 1, #419 of 1418 🔗

He’s an oncologist, not a virologist or immunologist, so it could just be a typical professional answer.

286505 ▶▶ Ben, replying to maggie may, 4, #420 of 1418 🔗

What’s the deal with Karol Sikora? Is he controlled opposition? A pharma shill?

286611 ▶▶▶ Julian, replying to Ben, 3, #421 of 1418 🔗

You may not be guilty of this, but there seems to be an obsession with calling anyone whose vaguely sceptical views don’t coincide with one’s own “controlled opposition” or a shill.

Who knows what his motivations are, but his line has been consistent.

287100 ▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Ben, #422 of 1418 🔗

He’s been flagging up the tsunami of untreated cancer deaths.

286300 petgor, replying to petgor, 6, #423 of 1418 🔗

Very little publicity is being given to the governments decision probably at the behest of Pfizer (to be replicated doubtless to other manufacturers), to provide the company with an indemnity against claims should the vaccine cause harm.

Either Pfizer is not 100% sure of the safety of the product or the government is so desperate to dig itself out of a hole, that the guinea pig taxpayer will help it do the job. That there will be claims is inevitable. I just hope that unlike with Thalidomide where there was no testing of pregnant women, that they and other women of child bearing age will be required to have the vaccine.

286313 ▶▶ RickH, replying to petgor, 1, #424 of 1418 🔗

This isn’t actually news – the bill went through parliament weeks back

286318 ▶▶▶ Arkansas, replying to RickH, 6, #425 of 1418 🔗

It’s still “news” in the sense that the vaccine rollout is news and this is an aspect of the rollout that should be referred to in media coverage alongside the reporting taking place about logistics, availability, and so on. It might not be “breaking news” but it is necessary context for understanding the approval and rollout; it’s a lie by omission.

286346 ▶▶ maggie may, replying to petgor, 2, #426 of 1418 🔗

Well they can’t know certain aspects of the safety of the product as I think I heard 3 months is the longest anyone has been vaccinated for. They are advising it should not be given to pregnant women.

But of course it will, as usual, be the poor tax-payer who coughs up for all the compensation claims. Really annoys me that people who are calling us anti-vaxxers etc and saying we are ruining everyone’s life if we don’t get vaccinated will no doubt still expect us to pay out with our taxes if and when they get bad side-effects.

286314 Major Panic, 5, #427 of 1418 🔗
286320 GiftWrappedKittyCat, replying to GiftWrappedKittyCat, 7, #428 of 1418 🔗

Horrible piece of coercion / blackmail on the BBC news site (where else). 🙄 Bonus points for it being so dumbed down too.
Take the vaccine to get back to normal sooner. Blame those who are exhibiting ‘vaccine hesitancy’ for not getting your life back. Arseholes.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/resources/idt-b6360f40-84f9-469b-b6a3-a4568e161c4f

286339 ▶▶ Spikedee1, replying to GiftWrappedKittyCat, 5, #429 of 1418 🔗

Well who could have seen this coming? No mention of CASES on the radio news this morning! My life is normal thanks, I play golf, go down the gym, talk to people, don’t wear a mask. This vaccine bullshit is going to get worse though and this BBC will be right at the front. The peoples broadcasting service, ha!

286347 ▶▶ Saved To Death, replying to GiftWrappedKittyCat, 15, #430 of 1418 🔗

I don’t understand how anyone in their right mind could consider administering this vaccine under these circumstances. Informed consent is just not possible. Its an experimental vaccine. People are being coerced using terror over the course of months.

I don’t think its an exaggeration to say the everyone involved in pushing this is a party to the biggest crimes against humanity that western Europe has seen since the Nazis.

286365 ▶▶ stefarm, replying to GiftWrappedKittyCat, 5, #431 of 1418 🔗

Sadly everyone I’ve spoken to can’t wait to take it.

All have followed the rules and feel it is there reward for doing so.

Don’t think so!!

I sent a link to my mate warning of the dangers. His reply, my consultant will guide me. I’m in his hands.

To explain he had cystic fibrosis and 20 years ago had a heart and lung transplant and think he is the longest surviving transplant survivor in the country, is on all sorts of medication, has diabetes and still smokes and drinks too much and knows his time has been limited.

He has a weakened immune system but every year he weighs up the risk of getting the flu or a virus. He has hardly been out for 9 months.

What sort of guidance can he get, nobody knows the side effects. Absolute russian roulette.

Leave them to it I suppose.

286523 ▶▶▶ GiftWrappedKittyCat, replying to stefarm, 6, #432 of 1418 🔗

Yes, I’ve made my choice and they can make theirs. I will not attempt to persuade anyone against taking it unless they explicitly ask for my opinion.
The sheep have played no small part in keeping this sham going so let them take the hit. If my life gets back to normal a bit sooner off the back of their lack of critical thinking then fine by me. If it all comes back to bite them on the arse then hell scud it into them as my granny would have said!

286696 ▶▶▶ Ben, replying to stefarm, 1, #433 of 1418 🔗

Look at Michael Yeadon’s Twitter account re potential side effects

287127 ▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to stefarm, #434 of 1418 🔗

That’s the freedom of choice we’re fighting for.

It’s up to people to seek out the information and make an informed choice – or not.

286385 ▶▶ Chicot, replying to GiftWrappedKittyCat, 6, #435 of 1418 🔗

Utter bullshit. The whole article is based on the idea that taking the vaccine will prevent transmission of the disease to others when even Pfizer state that they are not sure that will be the case with their vaccine.

286533 ▶▶ Ben, replying to GiftWrappedKittyCat, 7, #436 of 1418 🔗

I ditched my television 20 years ago. No regrets. Huge feeling of relief and freedom. Why do people have televisions that hate them?

286327 Spikedee1, replying to Spikedee1, 17, #437 of 1418 🔗

So Prof Devi Sridhar is an expert on Covid. Wow, so you said lockdowns work. This has been disproven. Masks protect you from the virus. This has been disproven. Social distancing keeps you safe. This has been disproven. Being near granny’s will end up killing them. This has been disproven. Well it appears to me to be an expert all you have to do is talk a load of bollocks and be wrong about everything. Cor I could do that job.

286332 ▶▶ JohnB, replying to Spikedee1, 3, #438 of 1418 🔗

So the same as any Financial expert there’s ever been?

286340 ▶▶▶ Spikedee1, replying to JohnB, 1, #439 of 1418 🔗

Yes like Diane Abbott.

286583 ▶▶ Ben, replying to Spikedee1, 2, #440 of 1418 🔗

Has she got Pharma shares?

286328 Burlington, replying to Burlington, 3, #441 of 1418 🔗

The great meme with the ice cream van reminded me that some years ago, drug dealers used the same method to distribute heroin and crack cocaine to their customers in Hartcliffe Bristol.

286343 ▶▶ PompeyJunglist, replying to Burlington, 1, #442 of 1418 🔗

Still do in Birmingham.

286366 ▶▶ kf99, replying to Burlington, #443 of 1418 🔗

And memories of the geat christmas film Comfort and Joy

286329 Major Panic, replying to Major Panic, 7, #444 of 1418 🔗

Basil Fawlty style poor service may be the secret to success over the next few weeks, in fact the worse the service the more the customers will want to return…

waiting for menu and drinks order, perusing the menu, waiting foe basil to take order – 2 hours

waiting for food – 2 hours

waiting for food after complaint – 1 hour

looking at eating food – 2 hours

perusing sweet menu – 1 hours

complaining abou………..

286337 ▶▶ JohnB, replying to Major Panic, 4, #445 of 1418 🔗

That’s the criteria for a 5 star rating on Tripadvisor these day!

286330 Barney McGrew, replying to Barney McGrew, 73, #446 of 1418 🔗

The Covid discussion is still recycling a childlike misunderstanding of the world: it assumes that things are divided along binary lines. You are either fully immune or completely susceptible; the vaccine makes you fully immune or not at all; that you either get Covid or you don’t. Or more subtly, that the vaccine reduces your symptoms (95% chance) or it doesn’t reduce them at all (5% chance). Taken to its extreme, this mindset says that the vaccine is basically useless for getting us back to normal because no one can be sure which of the categories they’re in, nor which category the unmasked stranger coming towards them is in. This completely artificial notion is the basis of Neil Ferguson’s disastrous interventions, and is the view perpetuated by Oxbridge-educated scientists and journalists.

The alternative (and correct) viewpoint is that human immunity is a continuously variable function that responds to pathogens depending on their quantity and threat, and also to history of exposure to pathogens. Evolution has produced a method of dealing with pathogens encountered in nature that favours the species – not necessarily the individual. It doesn’t waste its resources on non-existent threats, and indeed it can result in worse outcomes in some situations, where its response to one pathogen conflicts with a future as-yet-unseen pathogen (check out Dengue Fever for a natural example of this). The immune system can kill the patient.

Clearly, the default position should be ‘leave well alone’. If we’re going to mess about with immunity, it should be for a very good reason. There is the chance that our intervention could result in worse outcomes later. This must surely be the main argument against universal vaccination of the population.

Instead, we should embrace the adult, continuously variable view of the world. We’re never going to make the chance of illness or death zero, so why are we even thinking in those terms for Covid? It should all be a question of proportionate, intelligent response with a heavy bias towards doing nothing. If we had thought along those lines from the start (some of us did), Neil Ferguson wouldn’t have produced his infantile report, and we would never have embarked on this disastrous path.

286336 ▶▶ bluemoon, replying to Barney McGrew, 6, #447 of 1418 🔗

Wish I could double click! Thanks!

286350 ▶▶▶ TJN, replying to bluemoon, 10, #448 of 1418 🔗

Yes, a great post.

One thing I would add to human immunity is a continuously variable function is that possible and individual immunity varies over time , in that I suspect an individual’s immunity to a particular virus can vary with time, and therefore you could be exposed to covid in one month, not get it, but be exposed some time later when your immune system isn’t doing so well and go down with it.

286357 ▶▶▶▶ Rachel.C, replying to TJN, 10, #449 of 1418 🔗

Agree. Especially if you’re overworked and stressed, plus low on Vitamin D in the winter months you are going to be more susceptible.

286374 ▶▶▶▶ Freecumbria, replying to TJN, 9, #450 of 1418 🔗

Or indeed also if the body decides it needs to allocate less resources to guarding against the virus and reallocate some of those to another virus.

It’s like a very clever artificial intelligence system where the body is continually reallocating resources, and antibodies are resource intensive.

If you have an AI like alpha zero playing chess, but then add a clumsy instruction that you will never allow your queen to be captured, you come across circumstances where you should be giving up your queen. A vaccine is to me like that clumsy instruction not to give up your queen, and will distort the brilliant AI system that is the immune system.

286397 ▶▶▶▶▶ TJN, replying to Freecumbria, 3, #451 of 1418 🔗

Good analogy.

286353 ▶▶ Spikedee1, replying to Barney McGrew, 14, #452 of 1418 🔗

Great post. It’s like Dr Lee says, we need to have a grown up conversation about death. Unlike the childlike fear mongering from pantsdown. That’s the problem when you listen to people who have led sheltered overly protected lives. Rather than facing fear they hide away in their safe spaces.

286361 ▶▶ Freecumbria, replying to Barney McGrew, 10, #453 of 1418 🔗

Well written.

That’s consistent with my thoughts on asymptomatic (and pre-symptomatic) transmission. It pretty much may not exist at all based on the science, but to the extent that it does exist, perhaps in the day before bad symptoms for the pre-symptomatic, it does so at a minimal viral load that enables others immune systems who are infected to react comfortably in time before the virus replicates.

That way community immunity is built up while minimising the effects of the virus.

But trying to reduce human interactions tends to push the transmission into the high viral load settings, such as hospitals and care homes, where it isn’t possible to isolate the symptomatic completely, and so increases the severity in the vulnerable.

And if a person in hospital encounters a high viral load, having previously encountered a small viral load in another setting, it will be easier to fight it off because they are partially immune.

286408 ▶▶▶ TJN, replying to Freecumbria, 12, #454 of 1418 🔗

if a person in hospital encounters a high viral load, having previously encountered a small viral load in another setting, it will be easier to fight it off because they are partially immune

I’ve long thought that is a good argument against lockdown. If a healthy individual is going about their daily business they are doubtless coming across traces of any new virus in general circulation, but the chances are in small concentrations. Hence their immune system learns to recognise and deal with it in relatively harmless quantities, and then has some preparation for when it meets in in a larger dose.

By seeking to prevent this, lockdown increases the chances of the first time a person meets the virus they do so with a higher load – hence they get iller.

Just my hypothesis, based on no medical background.

With any new measure, it is necessary to beware of unintended consequences.

286426 ▶▶ Ben, replying to Barney McGrew, 7, #455 of 1418 🔗

Humans are dividing into two groups. Those afraid of germs and those who aren’t. One group lives a half life of fear, the other group lives their lives

286441 ▶▶▶ Charlie Blue, replying to Ben, 16, #456 of 1418 🔗

I am living less than half a life due to other people’s fear.

286582 ▶▶▶▶ Sue, replying to Charlie Blue, 9, #457 of 1418 🔗

likewise – trapped in a tier 3 area in south west and in theory not permitted to go over the line into tier 2 which is about 5 miles away – effing ridiculous and i’m mad as hell as i was going on holiday this week to a tier 2 area but can’t as i’m apparently a leper ffs!
It’s astounding how we have come to this divided country and fear by people who are thick as shit and take the bbc as their bible who turning on people from another area – cornwall being a good example “oh we can’t have those disease carrying mob coming here”.
sorry rant over!

286722 ▶▶ Edward, replying to Barney McGrew, 4, #458 of 1418 🔗

Excellent analysis. The “false binary”, if that’s the correct term, is a common logical fallacy, as in “If you aren’t with us, you’re against us”.

286333 John Stone, 4, #459 of 1418 🔗

You write:

A Lockdown Sceptics reader has flagged to us a letter to the BMJ in June 2019 from Dr Jacob Puliyel, a paediatrician in Delhi, who warns that the WHO’s new vaccine assessment system, adopted in 2013, would no longer pick up rare side-effects such as the narcolepsy that occurred with the swine flu vaccine .”

However, it would be unwise to assume that such cases are necessarily “rare” – suggesting that they are rare just makes it more unlikely that if it was a side-effect that members of the public would make the connection. A passive reporting database like the UK yellow card system would only pick up a small percentage of cases, and as in fact happened they failed to detect any cases at all with Pandemrix and narcolepsy although scientist-lawyer Clifford Miller found 178 possibly connected reports for the first 67 days, and they are probably already operating an almost perfect system such as the one described by Jacob Puliyel in which they can be sure of never finding anything. I note my recent letter to the BMJ . If something goes wrong do not imagine the government are on your side – in fact there will be zero cases in history of the government spontaneously admitting that any single person has ever been vaccine damaged, and doctors would be terrified to diagnose such a thing.

286338 microdave, replying to microdave, 1, #460 of 1418 🔗

Covid marshals hit the streets in north Norfolk

Somewhat depressing, but the comments are reassuringly sarcastic, compared to the usual EDP fare! Although note the one about “Being censored by the EdP COVID police”…

286342 ▶▶ Spikedee1, replying to microdave, #461 of 1418 🔗

You will have to start a “Start your day off right, punch a covid Marshall in the face” stream.

286362 ▶▶ Cecil B, replying to microdave, #462 of 1418 🔗

Liberal Democrat councillor Sarah Bütikofer.

Oh come on now, for the love of God. Sarah Buttfucker?? you’ve got to be joshing me

Anyway if she does exist or not she looks like a fat greasy slob who needs to get her hair done

Did she not know she was going for a photo that day? Is that her at her best? WTF does she look like the rest of the time?

286383 ▶▶▶ Miss Owl, replying to Cecil B, 4, #463 of 1418 🔗

LibDems seem to have patented this look. It’s known round our way as ‘Casual Minger’.

287147 ▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Cecil B, #464 of 1418 🔗

I did think her name starting with what’s almost pronounced beauty was rather unfortunate.

286369 ▶▶ kh1485, replying to microdave, 4, #465 of 1418 🔗

Must be a *thing*, we’ve got five of the buggers patrolling our (very small) market also.

286564 ▶▶▶ Sue, replying to kh1485, 3, #466 of 1418 🔗

do you have to give them a nazi salute on their way past?

286585 ▶▶▶ PastImperfect, replying to kh1485, 1, #467 of 1418 🔗

Paid or hitleering?

286351 Bill Hickling, 8, #468 of 1418 🔗

I got a reply from my MP giving me the official government document. I have replied to him as follows: –

The document in section 2.4 says: –
There have been 57,147 registered deaths involving COVID-19 in England as of 13 November 2020,4 and the total additional deaths relative to the five-year average between the week ending 13 March and the week ending 13 November (including those from COVID-19) is around 63,000.5,6 These deaths have occurred with mitigations in place throughout the pandemic, without which they would have been much higher.
and section 2.16 says: –

  1. To understand the economic effects of changes in restrictions also requires knowledge of what would have happened to the path of the virus and the economy with different restrictions, or no restrictions. However, the unprecedented nature of both the virus and the restrictions required to mitigate it, and the complex interactions between the two, mean it is not possible to know what would have otherwise happened. Any assessment of a given change to restrictions is therefore unavoidably only partial in nature.

With respect to the authors surely this directly contradicts the earlier statement. Where is the evidence that the government’s action have had any effect on the numbers of deaths from Covid? I have seen plenty of analysis that shows that they have had very little if any effect and there are many scientific papers showing that lockdowns don’t work so why are we still under this Tier system at all?

286355 Sarigan, replying to Sarigan, 2, #469 of 1418 🔗
286486 ▶▶ Major Panic, replying to Sarigan, #470 of 1418 🔗

LOL – good stuff!!

286359 Cecil B, #471 of 1418 🔗

Liberal Democrat councillor Sarah Bütikofer.

Oh come on now, for the love of God. Sarah Buttfucker?? you’ve got to be joshing me

Anyway if she does exist or not she looks like a fat greasy slob who needs to get her hair done

Did she not know she was going for a photo that day? Is that her at her best? WTF does she look like the rest of the time?

286360 Borisbullshit, replying to Borisbullshit, 22, #472 of 1418 🔗

I have read a few comments lately from people saying they thought there were less masks around. I must say this does not align with my own experiences where I live.

Yesterday late afternoon I drove to Newport,Shropshire to teach a student and caught the ‘schools out’ traffic. The christmas lights were very pretty as always but the effect was obliterated by horrid weather and what can only be described as ‘mask city’. Virtually all the shoppers of all ages were muzzled outside and there were literally hordes of masked pupils streaming out of Adam’s Grammar School on the High Street. It really was a horrifying sight akin to something in a horror film.

This morning, now that the rain has mercifully stopped, I went early to Broseley on the other side of the River Severn to where I live to go to one or two shops and again ‘mask city’! Literally everyone was muzzled up both outside and in the shops and zombie car drivers too. I was the only unmasked person in the shops or outside. Now I am not one of those who fears confrontation even of the physical kind if it happens but I do find it a depressing sight seeing everyone like this. It makes me feel as if I am inhabiting a planet populated by a completely different species.

286370 ▶▶ Charlie Blue, replying to Borisbullshit, 5, #473 of 1418 🔗

Consistent with what I see in our shared borough, BB.

287072 ▶▶▶ Borisbullshit, replying to Charlie Blue, 1, #474 of 1418 🔗

Oh ok I was starting to think they were all wearing them just to wind me up!

286373 ▶▶ SionnachAirgid, replying to Borisbullshit, 7, #475 of 1418 🔗

Sadly also my experience down here in Truro, Cornwall. Not even a hint of scepticism in anyone I speak to.

286378 ▶▶ Dan72, replying to Borisbullshit, 4, #476 of 1418 🔗

Likewise, I was amazed to see so many in masks while outside, in the pouring rain! Even if you are a believer, I thought damp masks were a no-no? It reminds me of something….

Waterboarding is a form of torture in which water is poured over a cloth covering the face and breathing passages of an immobilized captive, causing the person to experience the sensation of drowning

287075 ▶▶▶ Borisbullshit, replying to Dan72, #477 of 1418 🔗

Yes the sight of all the masks in the torrential rain somehow added to the chilling nature of it.

286510 ▶▶ Ben, replying to Borisbullshit, 5, #478 of 1418 🔗

I’ve noticed school children masked, most likely trying to fit in and succumbing to peer pressure

286515 ▶▶▶ calchas, replying to Ben, 4, #479 of 1418 🔗

I’ve noticed millions of adults masked, most likely trying to fit in and succumbing to peer pressure

287076 ▶▶▶ Borisbullshit, replying to Ben, #480 of 1418 🔗

Yes I think there are a few motives here…parents, teachers, peer pressure etc.

286536 ▶▶ stefarm, replying to Borisbullshit, 2, #481 of 1418 🔗

Just witnessed a woman walking out of her house, umbrella up and wearing a visor!!! So wet out she needs a windscreen wiper on it.

I actually shouted out ‘what the fuck is goin on’

286690 ▶▶▶ stefarm, replying to stefarm, 2, #482 of 1418 🔗

I actually shouted out ‘what the fuck is goin on’ – as I jogged past her

287078 ▶▶▶▶ Borisbullshit, replying to stefarm, #483 of 1418 🔗

I always shout that when I see a muzzled zombie driver!

286363 Mike Collins, 2, #484 of 1418 🔗

Letter off to Jonny Reynolds (MP) asking him to vote against mandatory vaccine, this time I also asked him not to abstain. The Labour Party has deserted its position as the ‘opposition’. They should be challenging the idiots in charge on everything.

My position on the Covid vaccination is simple, we need to give it to the poor devils that regularly have to attend hospital/care facilities or are subject to the hideous indignity of constantly changing home Carers. If we make it mandatory everybody will be queuing behind Piers Morgan and his band of middle class worried well. Us the write to them website it’s easy.

286377 richmond, replying to richmond, 4, #485 of 1418 🔗

I’m sick of being called a conspiracy theorist. Are there are any historical examples of so-called ‘conspiracy theorists’ being proved right, who are then regarded as entirely respectable? There must be some?

286379 ▶▶ Dan72, replying to richmond, 2, #486 of 1418 🔗

Winston Churchill?

286380 ▶▶ tonyspurs, replying to richmond, 13, #487 of 1418 🔗

Just show them this

286413 ▶▶ calchas, replying to richmond, 3, #488 of 1418 🔗

When a conspiracy theory is shown to be right it becomes conventional wisdom.

286415 ▶▶ redbirdpete, replying to richmond, 2, #489 of 1418 🔗

Might not be exactly what you are looking for, but there is the Hillsborough cover-up.

286416 ▶▶ calchas, replying to richmond, 6, #490 of 1418 🔗

Spend an afternoon searching the following terms:

“Iran-Contra” , “Mena”, “BCCI”, “Project Paperclip”, “Michael Aquino”, “Paul Bonacci”, “Operation Northwoods”, “MK-Ultra”.

286422 ▶▶▶ mattghg, replying to calchas, 2, #491 of 1418 🔗

Operation Mockingbird, Operation Condor…

286689 ▶▶▶ Stringfellow Hawke, replying to calchas, 1, #492 of 1418 🔗

Good examples. Northwoods esp. is interesting & frightening reading in equal measure, the fact that the Joint Chiefs not only considered blowing up passenger planes to blame it on Fidel Castro, but that’s just what they put on paper; imagine the stuff they couldn’t put on paper! gives you some idea of what JFK was battling in the early 1960’s.

richmond – Gulf of Tonkin incident is another one to add to the list.

286419 ▶▶ JHuntz, replying to richmond, #493 of 1418 🔗

You are living through it. Many people predicted how this has played out exactly.

286420 ▶▶ mattghg, replying to richmond, 3, #494 of 1418 🔗
286431 ▶▶ stefarm, replying to richmond, #495 of 1418 🔗

This is a good watch

https://youtu.be/PQtN8UbT8HA

Media control over the decades

286432 ▶▶ Cecil B, replying to richmond, 1, #496 of 1418 🔗

Father Christmas?

286444 ▶▶ Julian, replying to richmond, 9, #497 of 1418 🔗

Anyone who calls you this immediately reveals that they are not confident about their position

It’s a lazy smear

Ask them what conspiracy they think you are theorising. It’s not a theory to point out there has been a global overreaction to an exceptional virus – it’s simply a fact.

286463 ▶▶ calchas, replying to richmond, 5, #498 of 1418 🔗

I think there is a more important principle here.

You don’t need to venture into the area of what is called ‘conspiracy theory’ in order to debunk the official narrative, and I recommend specifically that you not do so.

Just stick to the statistical evidence and logic, pointing out that there can be no justification for these measures.

Take a look at the German graph I posted above (if you are looking at ‘newest first’) – orig. from ‘Swedenborg’ yesterday. It quite clearly shows that there is no emergency,

We don’t have to make the case against these measures. On the contrary they have to be justified to us.

286493 ▶▶ Victoria, replying to richmond, 4, #499 of 1418 🔗

Calling someone a conspiracy theorist or an anti-vaxxer is a very effective way of smearing them. You can’t stop these forces because it is part of the agenda.

What you can do is to ignore it and be grateful that you have a brain that you can use.

286655 ▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to Victoria, 1, #500 of 1418 🔗

Only effective with people of little brain. 🙂 Unfortunately there are a fair few of them …

286513 ▶▶ Basileus, replying to richmond, 1, #501 of 1418 🔗

I think the ‘conspiracy theory’ charge is relatively recent. Possibly invented by the CIA in the 60’s, but I am not sure.

286519 ▶▶ Basileus, replying to richmond, 2, #502 of 1418 🔗

This is just an example of name calling or ad hominem argumentation. Another example would be ‘anti-vaxer’ or some sort of phobic. I find the best response is to point out that my position is more complex and cannot be reduced to two words. Would they like to hear what I think? At least then there is a possibility of a true meeting of minds.

286574 ▶▶ Ben, replying to richmond, 2, #503 of 1418 🔗

Weapons of mass destruction (Iraq War). The Holocaust

286653 ▶▶ JohnB, replying to richmond, 4, #504 of 1418 🔗

I’m sick of being called a conspiracy theorist.

The first ten years were the worst. Then the second 10 years, they were the worst too.

The last few months have been seriously strange, as more and more people are saying the same things, and getting the same treatment.

Fluoride is a helpful example, to verify and research if you want.

286685 ▶▶ Nigel Sherratt, replying to richmond, 3, #505 of 1418 🔗

Stomach ulcers for one, Iran Contra (Reagan), Fast and Furious (Obama), Benghazi (Obama), Spygate (Obama) …

286741 ▶▶ VickyA, replying to richmond, 1, #507 of 1418 🔗

Operation paper clip – key scientific Nazis becoming repatriated as American after WW2 and a key part of NASA (never a straight answer)

286907 ▶▶ richmond, replying to richmond, 1, #508 of 1418 🔗

Many thanks for all these replies!

 I know it’s just an insult, not an argument, but I think it’s still useful to be able to point to situations in which people were written off as cranks, but turned out to be right.

287263 ▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to richmond, #509 of 1418 🔗

Galileo, Semmelweiss, Snow, Schauberger …..

286387 RickH, replying to RickH, 26, #510 of 1418 🔗

The tragedies of small things. They accumulate; they drain the life from life; they promote a universal evil rather than the greater good.

I was watching a programme on the origin of Christmas carols yesterday. It finshed with an examination of the West Gallery tradition, which lies behind the singing of local carols in pubs to the south-west of Sheffield and into Derbyshire during the month leading up to Christmas. It is a genuine community ‘folk’ tradition, going back to the 18th C. attracting a packed attendance in bars every week with a really great quality of singing and playing.

In a time of the fragmented, fearful isolation it was painful to watch the event, filmed in Worral, knowing that this month, it is not going to happen as it has done year after year. And the fiddle will stay in its case.

Now multiply that specific event across the country to cover all that aspect of ‘society’ and sociability.

Sometimes, it’s the small, particular things that crystallize what’s being done to this country.

We don’t need flaming medieval devils with spiked tails to embody real Evil.

286411 ▶▶ TJN, replying to RickH, 5, #511 of 1418 🔗

Yes, the little things. Whether we are aware of it or nor, even as arch sceptics these things are changing us, altering our perceptions and centres-of-gravity of beliefs.

286646 ▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to TJN, 1, #512 of 1418 🔗

Part of our job to monitor inputs, yes TJN ?

286694 ▶▶▶▶ TJN, replying to JohnB, #513 of 1418 🔗

Eh?!

287159 ▶▶▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to TJN, #514 of 1418 🔗

Sorry, was a bit cryptic there. Been for a bracing walk along the wet and windswept Channel. Brrrr.

I just meant that if we take the risk of watching tv, and risk it is, then the subliminals, subconscious messages, disturbed images, endless bad news, NLP wannabees, negative symbolism, and all the rest become the inputs for our brains/minds/hearts.

287172 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ TJN, replying to JohnB, #515 of 1418 🔗

Ok thanks, I see. Haven’t has a tv licence for years, as we refuse to fund the BBC.

I think that once you’re conscious of these things though, you go right the other way and reject it all out of hand.

There was a definite moment back in early March when I was listening to R4 news and I suddenly realised I was being emotionally manipulated – although I then realised I’d been unconsciously aware of this for some time before.

286476 ▶▶ Ed Phillips, replying to RickH, 12, #516 of 1418 🔗

I was playing a song on my guitar recently and my wife started crying.
It wasn’t the quality of the singing but the fact that she had bought me tickets to see the artist (postponed) and she realised she was missing live music.

The loss of proper singing at church has been really impacting me too.

286650 ▶▶▶ RickH, replying to Ed Phillips, 1, #517 of 1418 🔗

I think that encapsulates it, Ed.

286645 ▶▶ JohnB, replying to RickH, 1, #518 of 1418 🔗

If you want your life drained, and universal evil to flourish, keep watching the tv Rick.

286651 ▶▶▶ RickH, replying to JohnB, 1, #519 of 1418 🔗

No John (no);

If you want your life drained, forget the little things that ‘don’t really matter’ – that’s what they want – the reduction to brute existence.

Just la-la-la-ing won’t make it go away.

286661 ▶▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to RickH, 1, #520 of 1418 🔗

You’ll need to be a bit more specific about where you think I’m ‘la-la-la-ing’, Rick. I’m a big believer than everything matters (except what’s on tv, of course …).

287232 ▶▶▶▶▶ RickH, replying to JohnB, #521 of 1418 🔗

I think, John, that I may have taken you out of context – I was really on about that you can’t just ignore the issues that television genuinely highlights – i.e. it’s not primarily about TV.

287081 ▶▶ Borisbullshit, replying to RickH, #522 of 1418 🔗

Great post Rick and yes I often think that myself…but so few others seem to notice.

286389 david, replying to david, 13, #523 of 1418 🔗

Nerd alert here, sorry.

I am as sceptical as the next person and have been personally convinced by the arguments presented by Michael Yeadon, Sunetra Gupta, Carl Heneghan, Jay Battacharya, John Ioaniddis et al. I have found the deep dives into the public data in the UK by Joel Smalley and Clare Craig particularly helpful. I am a maths graduate myself and my particular red mist came down when Matt Hancock made his patronising reply to Desmond Swayne about “Beyesian Algebra” when the latter raised his question about false positives. Bless him, Sir Desmond didn’t have the mathematical knowledge to counter the numerically and mathematically illiterate Hancock.

We have seen this simple failure to understand data repeatedly from our elected representatives and the mainstream media. Dare I say, but an unability to “do the numbers” by government has far wider implications than the current crisis. I think COVID has exposed this as a real issue in our political process BTW.

Sceptical credentials established, I had an interesting challenge from my sceptical son as to whether I had properly examined the counter arguments. I am not sure I have but find myself struggling when i started to look.

I feel it has been pretty easy to be dismissive of publicly presented data which has been shown to be inaccurate or selective (I really hate being lied to) but considering how hard governments across the planet are holding to their lockdown/wait for the vaccine strategy (LDWFTV for short). I want to ask two questions:

1) Is there any data or evidence, as opposed to assumptions, about infection fatality rates and levels of immunity that would underpin a desire to pursue LDWFTV (irrespective of whether it is the best or most proportionate response)?

2) Is there sufficient uncertainty about this (fatality rate and immunity) to justify LDWFTV on the precautionary principle?

3) Is there any supporting information that says either PCR or LF testing is appropriate for mass screening?

I really would appreciate views or pointers to this so that I can look for myself and genuinely feel comfortable I am avoiding confirmation bias in my own thinking.

286394 ▶▶ Country Mumkin, replying to david, #524 of 1418 🔗

Amazing questions. I would love the answers to these too. I’m not a nerd but would love to know.

286406 ▶▶ calchas, replying to david, 19, #525 of 1418 🔗

Number of patients with acute respiratory illnesses in German hospitals up to week 44.

Blue = 2019
Red = 2020

So far 1,136,186 ‘cases’ – up to yesterday.

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1.136 million ‘cases’ of a supposed repiratory disease has no effect on the numbers of patients in German hospitals with respiratory illnesses.

They are making it up.

There. Is. No. Pandemic.

This is the biggest psyop ever.

286412 ▶▶▶ david, replying to calchas, #526 of 1418 🔗

Thanks I actually agree with you but want to give the opposite viewpoint some scrutiny so that I can test it.

286425 ▶▶▶▶ calchas, replying to david, 6, #527 of 1418 🔗

Apologies – misread your comment obviously.

Well, no. There is no evidence for any of the things you asked about.

No epidemic in history has ever been treated in this way.

It’s all bullshit.

I am the worst person to ask for the opposing point of view because I have been looking at it since March.

286466 ▶▶▶▶▶ david, replying to calchas, #528 of 1418 🔗

No worries. What I have seen too is modelling assumptions not evidence.

I am not asking anyone to agree the counterfactuals I just want to know what they are and where can I find them.

In the leaked SAGE report back in October they assumed an IFR of 0.7% and 7% immunity which would indeed imply hundreds of thousands of deaths. Nothing to say on what these values were based on. Yeadon had quite a lot to say about that I recall.

286484 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ calchas, replying to david, 3, #529 of 1418 🔗

I don’t think that there is any coherent detailed statement of the ‘establishment position’ anywhere that I know of.

The pattern throughout has been to make it up as they go along, consistently taking the statistics which can be twisted most easily and presented in the most superdicially convincing way in order to maximize the amount of fear.

The same has been the case with supposed measures. One day masks are useless, a week later they are effective.

There is a reason for this. If you are running an operation like this, then what you want to avoid most of all is a detailed consistent statement of your thinking and strategy, which makes it all the more difficult at subsequent stages to adapt the narrative and keep the emergency going, which of course is the aim.

Preserves flexibility.

286418 ▶▶ Pancho the Grey, replying to david, 3, #530 of 1418 🔗

I know it is only anecdotal, but the only cases I have seen made for any of the measures have been based on projections obtained from mathematical models whose structure is unclear and whose starting parameters have also been speculative. The only attempted rigourous analyses I have seen have come from the group of sceptical expert scientists that you mention, who have clearly defined their assumptions and, certainly in Yeadon’s case, have produced testable hypotheses. I find that Yeadon’s predictions relating to deaths made in late summer have been broadly accurate to date, given the uncertainty over the how culpable Covid has been in so many instances.

I have yet seen no reasoned critique of the claims of Yeadon et al, let alone any challenge to the criticisms Yeadon made of Whitty and Vallance deliberately misrepresenting the science underlying many aspects.

286436 ▶▶ Julian, replying to david, 7, #531 of 1418 🔗

The burden of proof is on the people proposing untried measures that have never been recommended (lockdowns, mass testing, masks)

There’s no correlation between lockdown-type measures and outcomes across the world

Even assuming lockdowns save any lives, the money spent cannot be justified on any rational basis given that the same money spent on healthcare would have saved many more lives, even without the price on lost liberty, which should be high

The effect on all-cause mortality across the world is unexceptional

286474 ▶▶▶ p02099003, replying to Julian, #532 of 1418 🔗

what is the null hypothesis in this case? If a null hypothesis is defined and is found to be true then the real hypothesis is false. If the null hypothesis is false then the real hypothesis is true.

286532 ▶▶▶▶ david, replying to p02099003, #533 of 1418 🔗

I have to do some gardening now! I will give this one some thought as the idea is interesting.

286626 ▶▶▶▶ OKUK, replying to p02099003, 1, #534 of 1418 🔗

Not sure your final sentence is right. Not a necessary corollary?

286491 ▶▶▶ david, replying to Julian, 3, #535 of 1418 🔗

Maybe I shouldn’t push the point as I agree with you and struggle to find evidence in favour of the government’s response too.

Specifically we tend to accuse Boris of only looking to SAGE and being impervious to other expert opinion. However the same accusation is made about us and I want to counter it in my conversations with unconvinced friends, family and acquaintences.

286520 ▶▶▶ Waldorf, replying to Julian, 1, #536 of 1418 🔗

Greece has had a lockdown for about a month with little effect on cases or deaths, which seem to coincide closely with colder weather. The colder north of Greece is harder hit than the south.

286506 ▶▶ calchas, replying to david, 5, #537 of 1418 🔗

The only thing I can come up with David is the argument that at the beginning we had to err on the safe side, we didn’t know much about the disease and so on.

That one is very attractive, I suspect, for the overwhelming majority of people.

But that was March. It is now December.

We have had nearly nine months – not three weeks – to flatten the curve.

Which of course leads one to ask:

“If people had known in March, that we would still be like this coming up to Christmas, would they have accepted it”?

If you had asked millions of young men in the summer of 1914, if they were ready for for four years of trench warfare, what would they have said?

So, you tell them that it will be over by Christmas, or in our case by just after Easter.

286531 ▶▶▶ Alan P, replying to calchas, 3, #538 of 1418 🔗

1014 – so vikings huh!

joke! I know that you meant WWI

286390 Awkward Git, 4, #539 of 1418 🔗

Was reading this about the new vaccine technologies:

https://www.precisionnanosystems.com/resource-center/publications/detail/optimization-of-lipid-nanoparticles-for-intramuscular-administration-of-mrna-vaccines-Hassett2019

These lipids are the cholesterol listed on the ingredients list.

During the research stage some findings took the researchers by surprise:

Improved antigen expression did not necessarily lead to better immune response.

mRNA vaccines do not necessarily require strong adjuvant response to induce potent immune response

This reads to my simple mind:

  1. It did not really show any better immune response in the tested subject than the old-fashioned technology
  2. It doesn’t take much to get over-reactions to the new technology vaccines

So not that great then and a bit hit and miss on how the subject will react to it.

286392 Country Mumkin, replying to Country Mumkin, 9, #540 of 1418 🔗

the WHO is recommending no cross border travel based on testing. So it’s vax only that will allow travel.

Martin Byrne is a human rights lawyer and points it out here.

https://mobile.twitter.com/bl_byrne/status/1335169482403274752

286405 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to Country Mumkin, 9, #541 of 1418 🔗

The sheer disregard for any sense of balance shows them for what they are. It’s only been approved by a single regulator and already they are saying no travel without it. They’ve bigger plans of course

286409 ▶▶ Lockdown_Lunacy, replying to Country Mumkin, 8, #542 of 1418 🔗

Just last year they did not recommend border closure as part of a pandemic response. They are a political organisation and at the moment coercing people into having this particular vaccination is the politically fashionable thing to do.

286634 ▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to Lockdown_Lunacy, 4, #543 of 1418 🔗

The entire WHO staff are going to be personas non grata in most countries, quite soon.

286573 ▶▶ Ben, replying to Country Mumkin, 2, #544 of 1418 🔗

An actual human rights lawyer is speaking out? Where have they been hiding?

286657 ▶▶▶ Country Mumkin, replying to Ben, 4, #545 of 1418 🔗

He’s been out for a while. He’s on world Freedom alliance and world doctors alliance

287308 ▶▶▶ Country Mumkin, replying to Ben, #546 of 1418 🔗

And more from Martin … defending Irish human rights. Let’s hope others follow where he leads!

https://mobile.twitter.com/bl_byrne/status/1335287652791308299

286395 arfurmo, replying to arfurmo, 3, #547 of 1418 🔗

Masks when having flu jab. Had a very nasty bout of flu a few years ago so I now have the annual jab (please let’s not get sidetracked about whether I should/whether it works or not). Anyway booked in with Tesco next week and the website includes “Your flu jab will be given in a consultation room which is cleaned and prepared for each customer. You will be provided with a free surgical face mask (Type 2R) and our pharmacists will wear PPE (face mask, visor, gloves and apron.”
Does the exemption trump that or can they say no mask =no jab?

Thanks

286453 ▶▶ Charlie Blue, replying to arfurmo, 4, #548 of 1418 🔗

Just phone the pharmacy and ask!

286630 ▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to Charlie Blue, 4, #549 of 1418 🔗

Just turn up and say you’re exempt. They get paid for flu jabs, guess what they’ll decide …

286524 ▶▶ Alan P, replying to arfurmo, 8, #550 of 1418 🔗

I’ve already posted my experience of an eye screening test which I never got due to the optometrists refusal to accept that I was mask exempt. And that was NHS run. Apparently she was “shielding”.

can you imagine a soldier on the frontline asking not to be shot at as he wanted to stay safe? I didn’t (and don’t) have Covid anyway.

286567 ▶▶ Ben, replying to arfurmo, 5, #551 of 1418 🔗

I’d rather get flu. I can only be treated like a walking biohazard so many times before depression and misanthropy kicks in

287299 ▶▶ Jez Hewitt, replying to arfurmo, #552 of 1418 🔗

Fuck them around and rock up in scuba gear. Or a Darth Vader costume.

286399 chaos, replying to chaos, 5, #553 of 1418 🔗

If only we had a prime minister in charge like Theresa May.

286427 ▶▶ IanE, replying to chaos, 1, #554 of 1418 🔗

Ha ha – best joke of the day!

286681 ▶▶ Nigel Sherratt, replying to chaos, 1, #555 of 1418 🔗

Or Jeremy, he would know what to do.

286401 John Stone, replying to John Stone, 18, #556 of 1418 🔗

MHRA: independent of what?

Politicians and journalists at the moment keep on referring to the MHRA as “independent”, but it is in reality simply an agency of the Department of Health and Social Care and the work of its pharmaceutical licensing division is 100% paid for by the industry .

It should be added that in 2005 the House of Commons Health Committee produced a report censuring the Department of Health (as it then was) and the MHRA for being too close the industry there have been no initiatives since to remedy this. The report ‘The Influence of the Pharmaceutical Industry ’ stated ( p. 3&4):

“The Department of Health has for too long optimistically assumed that the interests of health and of the industry are as one. This may reflect the fact that the Department sponsors the industry as well as looking after health. ..The MHRA Chairman stated that trust was integral to effective regulation, but trust, while convenient, may mean that the regulatory process is not strict enough. The organisation has been too close to the industry, a closeness underpinned by common policy objectives, agreed processes, frequent contact, consultation and interchange of staff. We are concerned that a rather lax regime is exacerbated by the MHRA’s need to compete with other European regulators for licence application business..”

There is in fact no point at which the public interest is genuinely represented, least of all at the present time when neither the industry or the regulator will release the data on which decisions are made. Every time someone says the MHRA is independent it is a bare-faced lie intended to defraud the public. They are in truth in bed with the industry and their practices are not safe or fit for purpose.

286421 ▶▶ Will, replying to John Stone, #557 of 1418 🔗

You are a doctor aren’t you John Stone?

286465 ▶▶▶ John Stone, replying to Will, 1, #558 of 1418 🔗

I promise you not.

286561 ▶▶ Ben, replying to John Stone, #559 of 1418 🔗

Do they receive Christmas cards from Bill and Melinda?

287293 ▶▶▶ Jez Hewitt, replying to Ben, #561 of 1418 🔗

Everyone loves a tenner in a card.

286402 Pancho the Grey, replying to Pancho the Grey, 24, #562 of 1418 🔗

One of the things this epidemic has shown is how a large proportion of our medical professionals seem unable to check facts and happily accept what they are told by figures who claim authority but have a track record of serious misinformation.
Even the most positive of mask effectiveness analyses show mask to be at best 5% effective in preventing spreading to a third party and less than that in catching it.

286440 ▶▶ calchas, replying to Pancho the Grey, 1, #563 of 1418 🔗

Human beings, oriented towards self-preservation, have developed what one might term ‘organizational intuition’. This is the ability to recognize which was the wind is blowing and not stick your neck out.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TYIh4MkcfJA

286679 ▶▶ Nigel Sherratt, replying to Pancho the Grey, #564 of 1418 🔗

No surprising given that most medical research is not reproducible.

More specifically, the authors estimate that 53 percent of all research is irreproducible and suggest that this number could be anywhere between 18 percent and 89 percent. In other terms, the cost of irreproducible research could be anywhere between $10 billion and $50 billion each year. On a related note, researchers at pharmaceutical companies have suggested that more than 75 percent of all conclusions found in peer-reviewed studies could not be replicated.

https://pharma.elsevier.com/pharma-rd/costs-irreproducible-biomedical-research/

286403 David Boyd, replying to David Boyd, 5, #565 of 1418 🔗

Toby,

Can we have some persuasive wording for a letter to MPs from a lawyer (Jonathan Sumption?) against coercive tactics to force people to have the vaccine? English case law for example?

Thanks

286684 ▶▶ Ben, replying to David Boyd, #566 of 1418 🔗

‘Nuremberg Code’

286434 JohnB, replying to JohnB, -1, #567 of 1418 🔗

Dr Joshua Wolrich is a nutritionist. And a ‘ A big proponent of staying in his lane …’. (apparently).

He has an ‘integrous manner by which he runs his social media presence.’. Heh.

He is ‘dedicated to fighting what he calls, “nutribollocks” – spurious nutrition advice with little to no scientific evidence, frequently used on social media to make a profit’.

Hopefully he will graduate to covidbollocks asap … 🙂

https://84world.com/joshua-wolrich

286439 ▶▶ Victoria, replying to JohnB, 2, #568 of 1418 🔗

In other words a pharma shill

286449 ▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to Victoria, #569 of 1418 🔗

Not sure even big pharma would want him. 🙂 Without his beard, he’d look about 12.

286448 Eddy, 11, #570 of 1418 🔗

What a remarkable and very brave young woman. Worked for the NHS and now fighting to tell the truth about the hoax. MUST WATCH

https://davidicke.com/2020/12/05/the-spirit-of-freedom-virus-whistleblower-louise-hampton-talks-with-david-icke-about-pandemic-lies/

286450 swedenborg, replying to swedenborg, 11, #571 of 1418 🔗

These are four southern states in the US geographically close all having different opening closing, masks or no masks etc. Nothing matters. Interesting to note one odd thing which has an explanation. The big peak in Louisiana early on in March (when the northern states were peaking) Mardi gras in New Orleans when infected New Yorkers flooded the city. All pretensions that you can stop this virus is hubris and even clearer now in the seasonal wave. The same pattern in Europe. SD, masks lockdown no effect.

https://twitter.com/ianmSC/status/1334936996226113537

“In today’s episode of “Covid restrictions don’t matter”, here are Arkansas, Louisiana, Mississippi and Alabama, who have all followed essentially the same curve regardless of what they’ve closed or opened or mandated or not mandated and when”

286458 ▶▶ leggy, replying to swedenborg, 4, #572 of 1418 🔗

It’s pretty much the same story in much analysis isn’t it. Tom Woods’ Covid Cult video makes broadly similar points. Non-pharmaceutical interventions don’t appear to make a blind bit of difference.

286525 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to swedenborg, 5, #573 of 1418 🔗

This is seen everywhere.

Devri Sindhar was saying to the Northern Ireland Executive yesterday that it is the anti lockdown people that have caused more lockdowns. The mental pain they are inflicting on people with such dangerous simplistic and overtly political statements is unforgivable.

Would she look at that graph and just say, “well, they didn’t follow the rules”

Sick.

286529 ▶▶▶ leggy, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 6, #574 of 1418 🔗

That’s like saying anti war protesters cause more wars. It’s completely illogical.

286631 ▶▶▶▶ OKUK, replying to leggy, 4, #575 of 1418 🔗

It’s not illogical. Same argument Churchill used against anti-war appeasers. Sindhar is being appallingly dishonest and deceptive here because there is no evidence for her claim.

286560 ▶▶ Ben, replying to swedenborg, 1, #576 of 1418 🔗

All your graphs are pro lockdown propaganda

287049 ▶▶▶ swedenborg, replying to Ben, #577 of 1418 🔗

Certainly not.That is the whole point.Some of these states had lockdown,others not,no difference.

286456 Cecil B, 18, #578 of 1418 🔗

Birmingham ‘walk’ will be live on ruptly from 12.00

https://www.ruptly.tv/en/events/202012051200-LIVE5573-COVID-19-sceptics-take-to-Birmingham-streets-in-first-major-demo-after-vaccine-approval

Thanks to the Russians we will be able to see what is going on in our country

286468 Victoria, replying to Victoria, 8, #579 of 1418 🔗

Lots of information on informed consent, the way to vaccine works, ingredients – use some of this to write a letter to your MP

Have you decided what you’ll do or say if offered a covid vaccine?
Content Sections

  • Transcript of Video (note: temporary glitch to play video – will be fixed)
  1. The vaccine: what and how
  2. Risks from SARS-CoV-2
  3. Vaccination risks and benefits
  4. Testing prior to vaccination
  5. Sufficient information for properly informed consent
  6. Stop governments claiming covid vaccines re safe
  7. Equal rights for vaccinated and unvaccinated

https://www.anhinternational.org/news/have-you-decided-what-youll-do-or-say-if-offered-a-covid-vaccine/

IMPORTANT NOTE:
Since the video was recorded on Tuesday, the BioNTech/Pfizer vaccine composition, including the nanoparticle composition, has been released by the MHRA but it does not include concentrations of ingredients making it impossible to assess toxicology . The ingredients will include 30 micrograms mRNA in each dose, along with:

– ALC-0315 = (4-hydroxybutyl)azanediyl)bis(hexane-6,1-diyl)bis(2-hexyldecanoate),
– ALC-0159 = 2[(polyethylene glycol)-2000]-N,N-ditetradecylacetamide,
– 1,2-Distearoyl-sn-glycero-3-phosphocholine,
– cholesterol,
– potassium chloride,
– potassium dihydrogen phosphate,
– sodium chloride,
– disodium hydrogen phosphate dihydrate,
– sucrose.

The ALC-0315 is a hexane containing compound and these are known to be potentially neurotoxic . ALC-0159 contains polyethylene glycol (PEG) that is associated with hypersensitivity and allergenic reactions . The toxicological profile of the mRNA delivery system cannot be determined because neither have the concentrations been declared, nor has the nanoparticle delivery system, surface charges and other physicochemical characteristics been declared. These may dramatically increase the toxicological profile.

286636 ▶▶ JohnB, replying to Victoria, 5, #580 of 1418 🔗

This may also be worth mentioning about the Pfizer/Biontech vaccine.

I mentioned this yesterday that the data for 12-15 year olds involved in the trials is missing. It’s very strange that there is no data seeing that around 550 people in this age range took place in the trials. There is also the recommendation that only 16+ year olds can have the vaccine, so what happened to the 12-15 year olds during this trial for the vaccine not to be suitable for them?

286489 ▶▶ godowneasy, replying to Eddy, 12, #582 of 1418 🔗

Is there ANY part of this web of deceit that can be regarded as independent?

286562 ▶▶▶ Eddy, replying to godowneasy, 5, #583 of 1418 🔗
287279 ▶▶▶▶ Jez Hewitt, replying to Eddy, #584 of 1418 🔗

This provides a bit of Bill’s background in all this for those that may not have seen it.

https://www.bitchute.com/video/SsZQQrkWpx0v/

286555 ▶▶ Ben, replying to Eddy, 11, #585 of 1418 🔗

Bill Gates is the spider in the centre of the global web

286590 ▶▶▶ Jonathan Palmer, replying to Ben, 1, #586 of 1418 🔗

Nothing to see here it’s all just incompetent government.

287377 ▶▶▶ Two-Six, replying to Ben, 1, #587 of 1418 🔗

He isn’t at the centre he is on the edge of the centre of the web where we can see him. We can’t ever see the centre of the web.

286763 ▶▶ Bella Donna, replying to Eddy, 4, #588 of 1418 🔗

There are so many reasons not to have this vaccine.

286479 Aslangeo, replying to Aslangeo, 14, #589 of 1418 🔗

From BOB the torygraph cartoonist’s twitter – Minotaur, anybody

286553 ▶▶ Margaret, replying to Aslangeo, 2, #590 of 1418 🔗

I had to read it twice before I realised that it said bull SEMEN. I thought they were talking about a safe place to store bulls***.

286698 ▶▶ Hampshire Sceptic, replying to Aslangeo, 4, #591 of 1418 🔗

Should they do this I hope they are careful with the labelling of both products. Would not want the cows to come to any harm.

286760 ▶▶▶ Bella Donna, replying to Hampshire Sceptic, 3, #592 of 1418 🔗

🤣 🤣 🤣 🤣 🤣 . I’m laughing at the thought of bull semen being injected into the unwary.

287269 ▶▶▶▶ Jez Hewitt, replying to Bella Donna, #593 of 1418 🔗

“Feeling any side effects, sir?”
“Noooooooooo. Hold on, I’ve got the right horn. Gimme another shot.”

287329 ▶▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Bella Donna, #594 of 1418 🔗

Probably safer. But it’s expensive stuff!

286480 John Stone, replying to John Stone, 14, #595 of 1418 🔗

Is the MHRA independent? (my letter just published in BMJ on-line)

Is the MHRA independent? Re: Vaccinating the UK against covid-19 Azeem Majeed, Mariam Molokhia. 371:doi 10.1136/bmj.m4654
Dear Editor
JK Anand refers to the MHRA as an “independent body” [1] and while this is being frequently stated at the moment it is in reality an agency of the Department of Health and Social Care [2] and the work of its pharmaceutical licensing division is 100% paid for by the industry [3].
It should be added that in 2005 the House of Commons Health Committee produced a report censuring the DH and the MHRA for being too close the industry and I have heard of no attempts since then to remedy this. The report ‘The Influence of the Pharmaceutical Industry’ stated ( p. 3&4) [4].
“”The Department of Health has for too long optimistically assumed that the interests of health and of the industry are as one. This may reflect the fact that the Department sponsors the industry as well as looking after health. ..The MHRA Chairman stated that trust was integral to effective regulation, but trust, while convenient, may mean that the regulatory process is not strict enough. The organisation has been too close to the industry, a closeness underpinned by common policy objectives, agreed processes, frequent contact, consultation and interchange of staff. We are concerned that a rather lax regime is exacerbated by the MHRA’s need to compete with other European regulators for licence application business…””
[1] JK Anand, ‘ Re: Vaccinating the UK against covid-19’, 3 December 2020, https://www.bmj.com/content/371/bmj.m4654/rr-5
[2] https://www.gov.uk/government/organisations/medicines-and-healthcare-pro … “We are an executive agency of the Department of Health and Social Care”.
[3] https://web.archive.org/web/20140604072443/http://www.mhra.gov.uk/Search
[4]https://publications.parliament.uk/pa/cm200405/cmselect/cmhealth/42/42.pdf

286544 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to John Stone, 8, #596 of 1418 🔗

Of course Hancock was bleeting on Tuesday that the MHRA are ‘fiercely independent’. You could hear the emphasis in his words when he said it. They know the whole thing is weighted in their favour.

His constituency is not you or us. He’s got his orders.

286483 Cecil B, replying to Cecil B, 3, #597 of 1418 🔗

Life in a police state

https://youtu.be/nM-b6MnIXkM

286494 ▶▶ JHuntz, replying to Cecil B, 17, #598 of 1418 🔗

Heiko Khoo is a great man, Piers Corbyn is a great man, Mike Yeadon is a great man the list goes on and on.

Boris Johnson is a piece of shit, Matt Hancock is a piece of shit, Van tam is a piece of shit the list goes on and on.

History will not be kind to the second list regardless of how wealthy they may be.

286508 ▶▶▶ Alan P, replying to JHuntz, 9, #599 of 1418 🔗

We should start a list of “heroes and villains” on this site. I’d nominate people like Ivor Cummins, Mike Yeadon, Carl Heneghan, Tom Jefferson, dr John Lee, dr Claire Craig, Julia Hartley-Brewer, Toby Young, etc, etc.

my enemies list would be considerably longer!

286512 ▶▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to Alan P, 4, #600 of 1418 🔗

Peter Hitchens. Vernon Coleman.

286539 ▶▶▶▶▶ Fingerache Philip., replying to JohnB, 4, #601 of 1418 🔗

Jonathan Sumption.

286558 ▶▶▶ Jonathan Palmer, replying to JHuntz, #602 of 1418 🔗

Only if we win,otherwise they will be heroes who saved the World from the twin threats of Covid and Climate change.

286487 JHuntz, 3, #603 of 1418 🔗

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u1ZvPSpLxCg&ab_channel=TearsForFearsVEVO

this song is uncanny we are living in a mad world.

286504 TJN, replying to TJN, 8, #604 of 1418 🔗

On the prompting of karenovirus earlier this morning, I took a look at the signature distribution for the petition Prevent any restrictions on those who refuse a Covid-19 vaccination

 https://petitionmap.unboxedconsulting.com/?petition=323442

The thing that strikes me most is the comparative lack of take-up in Bonny Scotland. I wonder if that says anything about Sturgeon land.

286522 ▶▶ leggy, replying to TJN, 6, #605 of 1418 🔗

Thanks, I had no idea that data was available. Very pleased to see high signatures from Cornwall and IOW despite their tier 1 status.

286606 ▶▶▶ TJN, replying to leggy, 3, #606 of 1418 🔗

Yes. Intriguingly though, I’m hard pushed to see any link between tier and signature numbers. I know the petition largely predates the current tiers, but there doesn’t appear to be a link between previous local restrictions and signatures.

286622 ▶▶▶▶ leggy, replying to TJN, 3, #607 of 1418 🔗

Yeah, I don’t think they’re related really. The tiers are all much the same, just variations on imprisonment and torture. Valid point about date of signature too. Not all of us who fundamentally oppose being coerced and shamed into having a jab that may or may not protect anyone against something that you have to have a test to know if you’ve even “got”, will be aware that there is even a petition to sign. I guess the Brexit petitions were the largest seen and I don’t think even those received that many votes compared to our population.

286527 ▶▶ stefarm, replying to TJN, 1, #608 of 1418 🔗

Signed

286566 ▶▶ GiftWrappedKittyCat, replying to TJN, 4, #609 of 1418 🔗

I’ve already signed. Sadly compliance with Turdgeon’s dictatorship in Scotland is high.

286576 ▶▶▶ JHuntz, replying to GiftWrappedKittyCat, 1, #610 of 1418 🔗

I have no idea how she does it. It’s the swengali effect.

286586 ▶▶▶▶ Jonathan Palmer, replying to JHuntz, 2, #611 of 1418 🔗

It doesn’t matter who’s in power around the world there is mass compliance with this nonsense.
They have managed to convince people that their lives are at immediate risk and in such conditions humans flock to a leader to protect them.

286618 ▶▶ JohnB, replying to TJN, 2, #612 of 1418 🔗

Great Firewall of Scotland blocking the petition.

286641 ▶▶ Just about sane, replying to TJN, 4, #613 of 1418 🔗

Signed. Not surprised about the lack of response from Scotland just extremely disappointed.

Scotland the brave is Scotland the brave no more.

286656 ▶▶ Biker, replying to TJN, 2, #614 of 1418 🔗

Don’t worry i’ve got the petition in my sporran

286705 ▶▶▶ TJN, replying to Biker, #615 of 1418 🔗

Are you in the Jesus and Mary Chain?

286755 ▶▶▶ Bella Donna, replying to Biker, #616 of 1418 🔗

Fortunately I’ve already signed it! 😂 😂

286699 ▶▶ dpj, replying to TJN, 1, #617 of 1418 🔗

I’ve signed it from up here in Glasgow

286516 Basics, 3, #618 of 1418 🔗

https://twitter.com/RealJoelSmalley/status/1334625827422662659?s=20

“Joel Smalley
@RealJoelSmalley
Following several requests, I have put this short summary together of the COVID contra-narrative. I will endeavour to keep it up-to-date.”

Direct link to 8 page pdf info graphic summary of 2020 in England. Useful for other countries to see and perhaps produce similar?

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1WN0dgauoc7C7fx6MxDmASuEa3gHd6rVs/view

286517 Bill Hickling, replying to Bill Hickling, 5, #619 of 1418 🔗

The LBC coverage is too depressing! Matt Frei had some professor on who did modelling of CV-19. He had a free rid and Frei somehow avoided the main questions. For example: –

  • what evidence do you have that the lockdowns did anything?
  • what level of prior immunity did you feed into the models?

Back to Talk Radio!

286542 ▶▶ Leemc23, replying to Bill Hickling, 7, #620 of 1418 🔗

Talk radio is good. Except the Government have closed down the narrative as every 10 minutes of push back is counter acted by adverts banging on about Hand, Face, space and protecting your mates ! Switch them all off. Listen to some music. Life is too short for these wankers to be wasting our precious time.

286678 ▶▶▶ Julian, replying to Leemc23, 2, #621 of 1418 🔗

How I long to see and hear anti-lockdown ads

There is a wealth of material that would convince people

It just needs to be put in front of people as often as the lies

We need the sceptic millionaires to get together and fund it

I am sure many of us would bung in a few quid if we thought it was being spent wisely – the Dolan case raised £400,000+

286739 ▶▶▶▶ Toby Pierides, replying to Julian, 2, #622 of 1418 🔗

Anti-lockdown ads would be great. You’re right. But would Ofcom ban them?!

286518 Voz 0db, replying to Voz 0db, 7, #623 of 1418 🔗

“Parliament to Debate Petition Calling For “No Penalties For Declining Vaccine”
I do not live in the UK but since these scoundrels are ALL obeying the same set of ORDERS, I why also wrote a message to the MP’s…

Glad to try and help my fellow UK slaves, hoping that a smoke signal from the Island might cause a reaction to the scoundrels of the mainland!

286613 ▶▶ Eddy, replying to Voz 0db, 1, #624 of 1418 🔗

There won’t be much debate. Have you seen the opposition party?

286730 ▶▶▶ Voz 0db, replying to Eddy, 2, #625 of 1418 🔗

The “what” party?!

286750 ▶▶▶▶ Bella Donna, replying to Voz 0db, 1, #626 of 1418 🔗

👍 Exactly.

286535 Leemc23, replying to Leemc23, 7, #627 of 1418 🔗

I am going to email Imperial Colleage London and ask them to model me 7 sets of lottery numbers. This should leave one set of numbers I can bet on for which I will win. Given their modelling is always wrong. The process of elimination should work a treat.

286568 ▶▶ Voz 0db, replying to Leemc23, 1, #628 of 1418 🔗

They are AWESOME at that…
comment image

A nice guillotine 2.0 (facing up and with the steel falling very slowly) it’s extra humane treatment comparing to what these motherfuckers (ejected from the ass) are causing.

286537 Janette, 3, #629 of 1418 🔗

Why the hell would we want to take a vaccine when the risk of catching the virus and dying is 1 in 300000???

286538 Tom Blackburn, #630 of 1418 🔗
286540 captainbeefheart, replying to captainbeefheart, 1, #631 of 1418 🔗

Can anyone speak Italian here?

I can’t and I wondered if this was bollocks / spoof / fake…

https://brandnewtube.com/watch/bill-gates-accused-of-crimes-against-humanity-in-italy-parliament_BOoGtXDDInT7RDm.html

The video description isn’t very helpful – says things like “back in July 2020 I think it was”

Can’t trust anything these days, I just wondered if this actually happened…

286543 ▶▶ Voz 0db, replying to captainbeefheart, #632 of 1418 🔗

Yes, that’s a real event… And the translation is quite good.

286547 ▶▶ Voz 0db, replying to captainbeefheart, 1, #633 of 1418 🔗

I even sent her an e-mail thanking her for that awesome speech…

286557 ▶▶ Voz 0db, replying to captainbeefheart, 2, #634 of 1418 🔗

Her speech can be read (Italian) HERE
The date was May 14, 2020

286596 ▶▶▶ captainbeefheart, replying to Voz 0db, #635 of 1418 🔗

Thanks

286541 Voz 0db, 3, #636 of 1418 🔗

WHO’s Revised Vaccine Criteria “Wouldn’t Have Picked Up Narcolepsy”

The World Holocaust Organization (WHO) is CONTROLLED by Billionaires since, at least, the year 2000.

Of course ALL the things they implement and force it downstream to the “states” that are part of the gang, are never things to improve the Health and Lives of the “people”!

Enjoy !

286545 JOhn, 1, #637 of 1418 🔗

Seeing former conspiracy theories become reality at an accelerated rate makes me feel like a time traveler.

286546 godowneasy, replying to godowneasy, 14, #638 of 1418 🔗

After you Sir!

286571 ▶▶ Voz 0db, replying to godowneasy, 5, #639 of 1418 🔗

Missing the muzzles!

286615 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to godowneasy, 6, #640 of 1418 🔗

Excellent post. We’ve slipped from view now it seems. The debate is not about whether the lockdowns work. It is always about when to lift it then go back in. Never about whether this is doing anything useful.

The fact that debate is not being had mean solutions are likely to have a disastrous effect as its bad solutions on top of false pretences.

286550 Lainey, 4, #641 of 1418 🔗

Remember: 15 years to flatten the curve.

286556 calchas, replying to calchas, 6, #642 of 1418 🔗

The problem with a dictatorship that is trying to abolish social and cultural life, is not only that this in itself causes suffering and thus enrages people, but that this very policy renders protests and demonstrations the only form of social life that is left available to the populace.

We shall prevail.

286570 ▶▶ JHuntz, replying to calchas, 8, #643 of 1418 🔗

Exactly I can’t wait to meet sceptics in person. I just wish Scotland would wake the fuck up.

286732 ▶▶▶ GiftWrappedKittyCat, replying to JHuntz, #644 of 1418 🔗

If you’re anywhere near Glasgow then there’s a thread on the forums. There’s only a few of us but I’d like to meet up with some fellow sceptics too.

286559 kh1485, replying to kh1485, 18, #645 of 1418 🔗

Customers getting into the festive spirit (actually, they’re not, atmosphere really flat):

Anyway, Trap n Trace details just now:

Santa, North Pole

286579 ▶▶ OKUK, replying to kh1485, 10, #646 of 1418 🔗

Was in a couple of local shopping centres yesterday. Atmosphere was really grim. So many with the look of a whipped dog about them.

286640 ▶▶▶ kh1485, replying to OKUK, 16, #647 of 1418 🔗

Perfect description. They’ve pissed away their liberty but they had no right to piss away mine. Sorry, angry atm …

286599 ▶▶ TJN, replying to kh1485, 2, #648 of 1418 🔗

Well that’s cheered me up!

286610 ▶▶▶ Eddy, replying to TJN, 1, #649 of 1418 🔗

That made me laugh. Cheers TJN

286804 ▶▶ Ceriain, replying to kh1485, 1, #650 of 1418 🔗

Hope you told him I’ve been good this year (honest).

286563 Mark, replying to Mark, 21, #651 of 1418 🔗

“Laura Perrins tells it to the Moral Maze” – The Conservative Woman reports on when Laura took on Melanie Phillips

Found this very difficult to listen to, and in truth it just reminded me how appalling the level of sheer propaganda is on the BBC, and how literally ignorant and flat out wrong so many of our public intellectuals are.

The introduction made clear how wrong the program would be. The tone set by the host John Humphreys and the panellists was alarmist, and misrepresented the situation as one involving a major health crisis caused by the virus (when the reality is that overall death numbers are not unusual in our modern society – deaths overall still less than any year prior to about 2008 or so, adjusting for age profile and pop growth – and there is no evidence any of the panic responses made any significant difference, or even outweighed the harms they inflicted themselves). It was repeatedly asserted that we had collectively gained something by our “sacrifices” this year, with the consequent suggestion that we could “throw those gains away” if we don’t continue to panic, when there is no evidence of any such thing. This is obviously an unjustified assertion, and worse tends to incite hostility towards dissenters who are blamed for things – deaths – that they are not responsible for. None of the contributors questioned these errors, so the whole basis of the program was false.

The debate (insofar as it involved covid), based on this false premise, was mostly about the question of balancing liberty and personal choice against the supposed collective need to control behaviour – as already pointed out, a false premise anyway.

One redeeming feature was indeed Laura Perrins’ contribution, she managed to insert some truth-based subversion into the debate, such as pointing out that flu is also dangerous and similar arguments for state imposed restrictions could be used next year to “save lives” from flu, and that there are “lockdown hawks” who are comparable to Vietnam era generals, doubling down on past errors. But even she conformed to the basic false premise by declaring she would be making her own decision not to go to any big family gatherings.

In fact this was fairly typical of how BBC propaganda often works: assume establishment premises and then have a big show debate about details, that already accepts those dogmas as fact.

There was some light relief involved, though. I was amused by the contribution of Dr Steve Taylor, who suggested that vulgarians who (in his view) have a materialist, consumerist idea of Christmas are not making a free choice because they are just going along with the propaganda around them, while he himself seemed to be churning out the same tedious anti-materialist hippy nonsense, including all the buzzwords and phrases such as “sustainability” and “saving the planet”, that seems to be almost universal amongst the supposed “elites” these days. Personally, I see his views as every bit as indoctrinated into him as those he looks down upon. He sneers at the helpless “brainwashed” victims of our culture’s suppose “happiness paradigm”, while I sneer at his own helpless conformity to his own peer groups’ sanctimony paradigms. Someone else is doubtless sneering at my own “brainwashing” by “hard right”, “antivaxxers”, or whatever nefarious group is pulling my strings

Funny how so many of these people who lecture us on possessions not being a route to happiness, seem to have plenty of money and possessions themselves, much as those who lecture us about the need to coerce people into paying for various supposedly morally vital charitable causes seem nevertheless to have plenty of their own money left for luxuries and family indulgences.

And Professor Ronald Hutton gave some useful longer term perspective about the ever-present tension between people enjoying themselves and perhaps over-indulging a bit, versus the disapproving, censorious, basically Puritan moralists and authoritarians seeking to control it.

The conclusions epitomised, imo, some of the roots of the problems we face, due to the frankly delusional ideas common amongst our elites. The problem is, in large part, what they “know”, that is false. Both Tim Stanley and Melanie Phillips openly expressed the false notion that if people had “behaved well” this disease would somehow not have spread. They have taken on board the (correct) idea that precautions such as washing hands and distancing can in theory reduce transmission, and over-extended it to the false conclusion that, in practice, if everyone did those things religiously there would be no spread of the disease. In reality, it’s far more likely that when there is a large vulnerable population, an infectious respiratory disease like this will spread until there are not enough vulnerable people to catch it.

My conclusion, admittedly based on my own habitual “pessimism paradigm”: we’re doomed.

286588 ▶▶ calchas, replying to Mark, 11, #652 of 1418 🔗

“In fact this was fairly typical of how BBC propaganda often works: assume establishment premises and then have a big show debate about details, that already accepts those dogmas as fact.”

This.

-and not just the BBC.

Try to channel and absorb dissent into arguing about those details.

286603 ▶▶ Steve Hayes, replying to Mark, 6, #653 of 1418 🔗

Pessimism of the intellect is all well and good, but it should be aligned with optimism of the will, to paraphrase a Marxist (Antonio Gramsci).

286612 ▶▶▶ Mark, replying to Steve Hayes, 2, #654 of 1418 🔗

to paraphrase a Marxist (Antonio Gramsci)

Make sure you use a long spoon…

Pessimism of the intellect is all well and good, but it should be aligned with optimism of the will

Well, as long as I’m still arguing the toss with the bad guys, the latter is still there. When it is gone, we fall silent.

286648 ▶▶ Bill Hickling, replying to Mark, 3, #655 of 1418 🔗

I agree in general but Perrins socked it to them and outwitted Phillips with her conservative principles.

286668 ▶▶▶ Mark, replying to Bill Hickling, 3, #656 of 1418 🔗

Yes, Perrins slapped down Phillips’ cowardice-based big government authoritarianism (not at all conservative, given we have never previously adopted the approach that government should tell everyone what to do on this sort of scale) pretty effectively, criticising it aptly as “safetyism”.

287098 ▶▶▶▶ Borisbullshit, replying to Mark, #657 of 1418 🔗

Phillips makes me laugh the way she has talked for many years about ‘the world turned upside down’ and the new age of unreason and how science has been corrupted. Then she falls pathetically for the biggest panic and irrational over reaction of them all and sides with all the same people she has been telling us for years were evil. Is she now back on the London lefty dinner party guestlists?

287189 ▶▶▶▶▶ Mark, replying to Borisbullshit, #658 of 1418 🔗

She must be the poster girl for “fear overwhelming reason”.

286572 Victoria, replying to Victoria, 22, #659 of 1418 🔗

The Great PCR Scandal, Tricked into Lockdown?

  • The German Corona Extra-Parliamentary Inquiry Committee, founded July 10, 2020, is leading an international effort to hold accountable those responsible for using fraudulent testing to engineer the appearance of a dangerous pandemic to implement economically devastating lockdowns
  • Pandemic measures have caused tremendous harm, killing more people than the virus itself by restricting routine medical care to people with acute and chronic health conditions that have nothing to do with COVID-19
  • While the governments of many nations have the same separation of power as the U.S., where you have separate legislative, judiciary and executive branches, we are now finding that this separation has been breached and nearly destroyed in most places
  • We now have plenty of data showing the lethality of SARS-CoV-2 is on par with the common flu and that the absolute risk of death is equivalent to the risk of dying in a car accident
  • The flaws of PCR testing have been capitalized upon to incite fear in order to benefit an agenda developed by private corporations, which include not only Big Tech companies, the Bill & Melinda Gates Foundation and the Wellcome Trust, but also the World Health Organization, the United Nations and the World Economic Forum

When COVID-19 initially emerged in early 2020, Drosten kept saying there was no cause for concern. Then, seemingly overnight, he changed his tune, “as though someone had given him a signal.” All of a sudden, Drosten was saying that this virus was extremely dangerous and that drastic measures to contain it had to be implemented.

Based on whistleblower testimony, the German government relied on the opinion of Drosten alone when deciding on their pandemic response, which included the lockdown of healthy citizens and the suspension of constitutional rights for an indefinite period of time.
Interestingly, Fuellmich’s team recently discovered that Drosten’s Ph.D. dissertation is a fraud. It was only created this year when people began investigating his background.

Aside from Drosten, other individuals who have prominent roles include Lothar H. Wieler, the head of the German equivalent of the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, Tedros Adhanom Ghebreyesus, head of the World Health Organization and Neil Ferguson of the Imperial College of London.

——

As for the average person, Fuellmich urges everyone to, first of all, don’t give up , and secondly, ask lots of questions . Continue asking questions because the more questions are asked, the more answers will come to light. Continue to counter the censorship by asking questions. Once court hearings begin, the information will start to spread more quickly.

——

https://articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2020/12/05/coronavirus-lawsuit.aspx

286850 ▶▶ Ben, replying to Victoria, 4, #660 of 1418 🔗

OMG! I’m shocked. Drosten’s PhD dissertation is a fraud!?
What a bunch of crooks

Similarly, Chris Whitty earlier in the year advised Covid-19 was harmless to the vast majority of people – then, like Drosten, suddenly changed his tune.

Chris Whitty, Downing Street briefing (various versions on the Internet)

https://off-guardian.org/2020/05/15/watch-uk-chief-medic-confirms-again-covid19-harmless-to-vast-majority/

286575 swedenborg, replying to swedenborg, 3, #661 of 1418 🔗

https://open.spotify.com/episode/1nXoeOwMD5pSw3EGPLUyX7?si=M-B3ZCTlTu2mpxTAzPevHAEeek

In this radio interview local radio station in New York you can hear from 62 min to 99 min a very interesting interview with KevinMcKernan,world expert on PCR,discussing this in relation to C-19.Very interesting and recommend it

286594 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to swedenborg, 2, #662 of 1418 🔗

Nice. He’s only come onto the radar since the challenge to the euro surveillance paper but a bit of genius is Kevin

286578 TheOriginalBlackPudding, replying to TheOriginalBlackPudding, 24, #663 of 1418 🔗

Brendan O’Neill in punchy form on Spiked.
We are in danger of losing “ the habit of thinking, living and behaving freely, of governing one’s own life…. Recovering our everyday freedom is the most important task facing humanity right now.”

https://www.spiked-online.com/2020/12/04/down-with-the-new-normal/

286625 ▶▶ IanE, replying to TheOriginalBlackPudding, 3, #664 of 1418 🔗

All so true, but mankind has been on the slippery path for decades! We are given these great thinking brains, but hardly anyone will use them: #Homo Non Sapiens.

286738 ▶▶ Bella Donna, replying to TheOriginalBlackPudding, 3, #665 of 1418 🔗

I like Brendan. He talks a lot of sense most times. It’s a pity he had to close down the comments section on Spiked.

286581 Victoria, replying to Victoria, 10, #666 of 1418 🔗

“This is a straightforward question of population, and the eventual size of the human race.



All the evidence shows that we can help reduce population growth”

Boris Johnson 2007

https://twitter.com/simondolan/status/1335192183264210945

286593 ▶▶ calchas, replying to Victoria, 7, #667 of 1418 🔗

How many kids does Johnson have?

286598 ▶▶▶ TJN, replying to calchas, 3, #668 of 1418 🔗

Ouch!

286601 ▶▶▶ Mark, replying to calchas, 7, #669 of 1418 🔗

Just another sanctimonious elite hypocrite.

286619 ▶▶▶ Alice, replying to calchas, 4, #670 of 1418 🔗

He’s not sure…

286624 ▶▶▶ Winston Smith, replying to calchas, 2, #671 of 1418 🔗

Kill them then. Simple.

286735 ▶▶▶ Bella Donna, replying to calchas, 2, #672 of 1418 🔗

Too many. No wonder his girlfriend snuck one in or should I say out if she knew what was intended.

286744 ▶▶▶ Tyneside Tigress, replying to calchas, 1, #673 of 1418 🔗

6 that we know of, although I would put money on 7

286595 ▶▶ leggy, replying to Victoria, 6, #674 of 1418 🔗

The Georgia Guidestones were often laughed at as a conspiracy theory weren’t they. Starting to look quite serious.

287259 ▶▶▶ PastImperfect, replying to leggy, #675 of 1418 🔗

I think several ‘friends’ to whom I have mentioned the GGs now just humour me and ignore whatever else I say.

286629 ▶▶ SionnachAirgid, replying to Victoria, 3, #676 of 1418 🔗

Boris is starting to look like a ‘watermelon’. I’m sure Carrie’s worth it though..

286642 ▶▶▶ Mark, replying to SionnachAirgid, 1, #677 of 1418 🔗

Need a new term for the modern “Conservative” Party.

What’s blue on the outside and red/green on the inside?

Though in truth they have been becoming ever less careful to hide their true natures.

286666 ▶▶▶▶ Julian, replying to Mark, 4, #678 of 1418 🔗

If you look at the Twitter feed of my ultra-safe-seat Tory MP it is full-on SJW. Not a conservative bone in her body.

287115 ▶▶▶▶ Borisbullshit, replying to Mark, #679 of 1418 🔗

Just call it red/green on the outside.

287114 ▶▶▶ Borisbullshit, replying to SionnachAirgid, 1, #680 of 1418 🔗

She will dump him soon…have you seen how absurd they look together…grandad granddaughter springs to mind.

286659 ▶▶ Nigel Sherratt, replying to Victoria, 1, #681 of 1418 🔗

Already slowing, China close to maximum population and dreading the downslope where fewer and fewer earners support more and more pensioners. Another thing dPPE has no control over but claims that it’s a problem he can solve. All the evidence shows we can help water flow downhill.

286675 ▶▶▶ Mark, replying to Nigel Sherratt, 3, #682 of 1418 🔗

Slows naturally with wealth, education and technological advance. There’s only one continent that is still problematic as far as population growth is concerned:

286674 ▶▶ AN other lockdown sceptic, replying to Victoria, 7, #683 of 1418 🔗

The best way to slow down population growth is economic prosperity.

The neoliberal globalists don’t agree. They want to repeat the always failed experiment of top down centralised control.

286687 ▶▶ Graham3, replying to Victoria, 3, #684 of 1418 🔗

Give the snake oil to the old and infirm, they are expendable guinea pigs. If they keel over, well ,they were old weren’t they?

286733 ▶▶▶ Graham3, replying to Graham3, #685 of 1418 🔗

Forgot the /s at the end.

286589 morons, 2, #686 of 1418 🔗

There is nothing to debate, everyone gets to choose their own fate, and if you try to forcefully take that away from someone, then you deserve to die. It’s that simple.

286592 The Mask Exempt Covid Marshall, replying to The Mask Exempt Covid Marshall, 44, #687 of 1418 🔗

I’ve been very naughty and escaped ‘tier 3’ East Riding of Yorkshire for ‘tier 2’ York on this fine Saturday. Currently enjoying a pub lunch and seeing how long I can stretch out my ‘substantial meal’. Have managed 3 pints so far. Let’s stick it to them!

286638 ▶▶ Fiona Walker, replying to The Mask Exempt Covid Marshall, 8, #688 of 1418 🔗

Good for you! Planning to do the same next week from just over the border in the West Riding. I shall be dressing smartly and taking the early “work bus”. How does it feel in York, busy?

286664 ▶▶▶ The Mask Exempt Covid Marshall, replying to Fiona Walker, 7, #689 of 1418 🔗

Depressingly quiet in this normally well regarded pub, but they’re certainly not stopping me buy as many pints as I like provided there’s some (now lukewarm) food on the plate in front of me. Shops and central streets seem busy though.

286671 ▶▶ arfurmo, replying to The Mask Exempt Covid Marshall, 14, #690 of 1418 🔗

The substantial meal thing and the need for muzzles on entry , exit and going to the loo is category 1 of absurdity.

286697 ▶▶▶ The Mask Exempt Covid Marshall, replying to arfurmo, 9, #691 of 1418 🔗

Indeed. Although I said I was exempt from masks and they were fine with it. Another customer entered earlier and said he couldn’t wear a mask which they were fine with also. Annoying having to explain but most places are very pragmatic, which I do think is a positive British attribute. There is far less of this pragmatism in France or Spain for instance.

286731 ▶▶ Bella Donna, replying to The Mask Exempt Covid Marshall, 1, #692 of 1418 🔗

👍 🍺 🍺 🍺

286602 Victoria, replying to Victoria, 9, #693 of 1418 🔗

Please listen to Laurence Fox, The Reclaim Party Speech 4.12.20
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EMU_TQme2Yg&feature=youtu.be

286654 ▶▶ Biker, replying to Victoria, #694 of 1418 🔗

Only if he promises not to sing

286682 ▶▶ Mark, replying to Victoria, 6, #695 of 1418 🔗

Well I’ll vote for his party, if he stands a decent candidate in my constituency.

287120 ▶▶▶ Borisbullshit, replying to Mark, #696 of 1418 🔗

Me too but last all I got was LIBLABCON.

287180 ▶▶▶▶ Mark, replying to Borisbullshit, #697 of 1418 🔗

Last election I had the choice of several parties beyond the Lab Con.

In decreasing order of votes received:

Green, LibDem, Brexit Party, The Yorkshire Party, an Independent, and Socialist Equality.

Obviously the donkey wearing the red rosette was elected, as usual, with two thirds of the vote.

286604 Eddy, 28, #698 of 1418 🔗

Walking through town and seeing hundreds of faceless ghouls is a depressing sight.

286749 ▶▶ leggy, replying to Cheezilla, #700 of 1418 🔗

Page, not group I think. The group is gone. Telegram is alive and well, but it’s hard to follow.

287371 ▶▶▶ CGL, replying to leggy, #701 of 1418 🔗

They have set the private group up again, but it will only be temporary as they’re working on a new platform for it. There were 4k members this morning about 9am and now at 10pm – 6.7k members

286617 Country Mumkin, replying to Country Mumkin, 8, #702 of 1418 🔗

I saw a letter on Twitter this morning from CMOS to GPS. Sorry I don’t have the link.

My observations

Message was they’d see extra pressure due to socialising at Christmas (therefore guilting them and pressuring them to tell their patients not to socialise)

Telling them to get the vaccinations out quickly and efficiently.

Other thoughts

Is this the final test for GPS e.g.

Don’t question what your doing
Carry out the instructions
Be frightened about spread

Etc etc

I think they’ve been brainwashed but need to be contained to administer the vaccine.

Any other thoughts?

286623 ▶▶ Winston Smith, replying to Country Mumkin, 16, #703 of 1418 🔗

They’re all cunts and they need to die, that’s my thought……

286703 ▶▶▶ Rowan, replying to Winston Smith, 3, #704 of 1418 🔗

Fair enough.

286759 ▶▶ A. Contrarian, replying to Country Mumkin, 3, #705 of 1418 🔗

This makes no sense since GP surgeries are mostly operating behind closed doors and refusing to admit anyone with coronavirus (and therefore flu) symptoms. Ours simply directs you to call 111. Christmas will have zero effect on their patient load I would have thought?

286627 Cheezilla, replying to Cheezilla, 13, #706 of 1418 🔗

Comment on fb:

FIGHT FOR FREEDOM BEFORE IT’S TOO LATE! Local Saturday market day here in Spain, has become an open-air prison. There are guards at the end of each road (Protecion Civil) sanitising the hands of anyone passing to buy for example vegetables from the stalls & counting how many people go in & out. Other pedestrian walkways are completely closed, denying access with police guards. Everyone walking around muzzled as though now accepting this as our new normal

286632 ▶▶ Cecil B, replying to Cheezilla, 13, #707 of 1418 🔗

They will be eating grass when their tourism industry collapses

286635 ▶▶▶ IanE, replying to Cecil B, 4, #708 of 1418 🔗

Well, or soylent green!?

286633 ▶▶ IanE, replying to Cheezilla, 4, #709 of 1418 🔗

Oh, Brave New World of 1984.

286647 ▶▶▶ Jonathan Palmer, replying to IanE, 15, #710 of 1418 🔗

It’s like our leaders have taken inspiration from dystopian fiction in their plans for us.
There is a hint of nearly everything there.
Doublethink,intrusive surveillance.Mass conditioning,Infertility.Retreat into the virtual world,it’s all there.

286692 ▶▶▶▶ Banjones, replying to Jonathan Palmer, 6, #711 of 1418 🔗

It’s like the brainwashing that goes with conditioning members of a cult.

286729 ▶▶ Bella Donna, replying to Cheezilla, 5, #712 of 1418 🔗

Spain and Fascism eh?

286742 ▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Bella Donna, 3, #713 of 1418 🔗

Yes. After watching that woman being systematically tortured by police on the streets of a Spanish city last week, I’d say the Spanish need to find their memories, fast!

286628 Basics, 4, #714 of 1418 🔗

“A new Bretton Woods moment.”
Kristalina Georgieva, Managing Director, International Monetary Fund

Your Guide to the Great Monetary Reset

https://www.corbettreport.com/brettonwoods2/

YT
https://youtu.be/ZwGQBR2NOeE

286637 PastImperfect, replying to PastImperfect, 21, #715 of 1418 🔗

This was posted yesterday by calchas

“This is an obvious takeover plot, and any that cannot understand this fact have not the capability to think, to understand logic, or to see with open eyes the most massive hypocrisy that has ever existed. Nothing is hidden any longer, as all aspects of this fraud are now completely out in the open. The only way for something of this magnitude to be able to go forward is for stupidity to be nearly universal. Consider this comment closely; because it is not made frivolously, as why would any intelligent society allow a governing minority to destroy all love, joy, and life in order to restructure the world for their own benefit at the expense of humanity? Why would any sane person, any sane community, or any sane country, act collectively as beasts of burden to a handful of evil, manipulating, and despicable criminals claiming to be saviors? What could possibly possess Americans to voluntarily acquiesce to such torturous madness? What incentive could possibly be sufficient for the people at large to become voluntary slaves to the state?”

https://www.lewrockwell.com/2020/12/gary-d-barnett/state-propaganda-at-this-level-spells-a-pre-planned-and-fake-manufactured-plot-to-control-the-world/

Not enough people are ready to open their eyes to the hell that is just around the corner.

286688 ▶▶ Banjones, replying to PastImperfect, 6, #716 of 1418 🔗

They’re very like the symptoms that people display when in thrall to a cult.

286775 ▶▶ Buck Foris, replying to PastImperfect, 4, #717 of 1418 🔗

The secret of freedom lies in educating people, whereas the secret of tyranny is in keeping them ignorant.” – Robespierre

286644 kh1485, replying to kh1485, 28, #718 of 1418 🔗

Our market COVID safety marshals apparently have ear pieces – the idiots clearly fancy themselves as Secret Service guys – twats!

286649 ▶▶ Leemc23, replying to kh1485, 6, #719 of 1418 🔗

Covid Safety Marshalls. Oh dear.

286662 ▶▶▶ Fingerache Philip., replying to Leemc23, 8, #720 of 1418 🔗

30 pieces of silver an hour ?

286686 ▶▶▶▶ Leemc23, replying to Fingerache Philip., 6, #721 of 1418 🔗

They should be rewarded with violence, not our council tax funds.

286704 ▶▶▶▶▶ kh1485, replying to Leemc23, 6, #722 of 1418 🔗

Just been to check it out. Don’t think they are being very effective. It’s absolutely bloody heaving. Veg stall looks like it’s been attacked by a plague of locusts. Perhaps they were run out of town – they are nowhere to be seen.

286719 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ GiftWrappedKittyCat, replying to kh1485, 5, #723 of 1418 🔗

Good to hear it’s ‘normal’.

286745 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to kh1485, 3, #724 of 1418 🔗

Who the hell signs up for this. It’s the most pathetic thing I have ever heard.

286756 ▶▶▶ TheOriginalBlackPudding, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 5, #725 of 1418 🔗

People who like power without accountability. That is to say the very sort of people who shouldn’t be allowed near the job.

286761 ▶▶▶ kh1485, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 5, #726 of 1418 🔗

I recognised one of them – I think they have been purloined from the Town Council gardening team. Must need the overtime …

286768 ▶▶▶ arfurmo, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 2, #727 of 1418 🔗

I suppose that if you are out of work, it’s any port in a storm.

286770 ▶▶▶▶ TheOriginalBlackPudding, replying to arfurmo, 1, #728 of 1418 🔗

Yes I imagine so. Maybe I’m being harsh (not going to change the habits of a lifetime of cynicism now!)

286790 ▶▶▶▶ HertsMT, replying to arfurmo, 3, #729 of 1418 🔗

I’m SIA qualified but will not do that work, although the rate I was offered was pretty generous.

287354 ▶▶▶▶ CGL, replying to arfurmo, #730 of 1418 🔗

This was what someone said when I mentioned them at some point – that everyone had a right to be respected, and that they might have lost their job so have to do this – it would be a pretty last resort sort of job wouldn’t it. Might be preferable to sell your body than your soul.
But why have they lost their job was my question? Did they really need to lose it? If they’ve lost it cos Covid, then it was a pretty pointless loss.

286762 ▶▶ TheOriginalBlackPudding, replying to kh1485, 3, #731 of 1418 🔗

Sounds like typical local government overreach and self-aggrandisement.
Which is the greater – average arctic temperature or average LG official’s IQ? (I’m doubtless preaching to the choir here 🙂 )

286672 ▶▶ Ben, replying to Bill h, 7, #733 of 1418 🔗

A global war on the people waged by pharma shareholders

286767 ▶▶ Victoria, replying to Bill h, 1, #734 of 1418 🔗

Ah cases again. The PCR test is very unreliable, so most positive test (aka Cases) are false positives

286680 ▶▶ JHuntz, replying to Bill h, 3, #736 of 1418 🔗

Thanks, David Icke should be very proud of his son. He’s a very engaging orator.

286743 ▶▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to JHuntz, #737 of 1418 🔗

His interview with Richie Allen was my first introduction to him. Have to agree. He’s obviously a well advanced sceptic. He has no time for businesses rolling over without a fight, because they’ll never be open to the truth.

286665 Bill h, replying to Bill h, 8, #738 of 1418 🔗
286669 ▶▶ Ben, replying to Bill h, 1, #739 of 1418 🔗

Gov’t Covid measures are ‘violence’

286711 ▶▶ Bella Donna, replying to Bill h, #740 of 1418 🔗

I fear it won’t be the sheeplike Brits who will rebel, my bets on the French, or possibly the Germans!

286677 Cheezilla, replying to Cheezilla, 7, #741 of 1418 🔗

Useless Royal Mail stuffed some junkmail through my letter box this morning – and left two parcels on the doorstep. Didn’t even knock.
Fortunately I’ve just had a delivery from Amazon and the courier didn’t do the mandated leapback but pointed out my abandoned RM parcels.

286707 ▶▶ Bella Donna, replying to Cheezilla, 7, #742 of 1418 🔗

For some peculiar reason our doorbell remains invisible to delivery men. They rap their knuckles on the door’s glass inset instead. I hope it hurts!

286713 ▶▶▶ GiftWrappedKittyCat, replying to Bella Donna, 5, #743 of 1418 🔗

I have an invisible door bell too. Those with special powers that can see it are somehow compelled to press it two or three times in very quick succession. Drives me mad! 😂

286734 ▶▶▶ Lockdown_Lunacy, replying to Bella Donna, 3, #744 of 1418 🔗

To be fair it’s a scientific fact that approximately 65.4% of doorbells don’t work.

286964 ▶▶▶▶ Ross Hendry, replying to Lockdown_Lunacy, #745 of 1418 🔗

That “research” was no doubt conducted by the makers of a new improved door bell!

286737 ▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Bella Donna, 2, #746 of 1418 🔗

I don’t have a doorbell. Everyone else finds the doorknocker no problem.
Interestingly, the posties are the only people who can’t be bothered to close the gate properly.

286754 ▶▶▶ Steve, replying to Bella Donna, 10, #747 of 1418 🔗

As a delivery driver I usually knock and ring the bell as far too many door bells don’t work and you often can’t hear if they’ve worked or not.

286716 ▶▶ GiftWrappedKittyCat, replying to Cheezilla, 6, #748 of 1418 🔗

It depends on what postman I get. One is very fond of playing chap-door-runaway, the other one is lovely, no mask and actually hands me the parcel when I answer the door. Guess which one gets a Christmas gift this year?

286728 ▶▶ Voz 0db, replying to Cheezilla, 1, #749 of 1418 🔗

Another Billionaire slave…

286751 ▶▶ thinkaboutit, replying to Cheezilla, 2, #750 of 1418 🔗

The worst delivery ever is alcohol from Amazon. Obviously they can’t leave it on the doorstep. Their tracking is never quite up to date. When he knocks on the door I race there to find he has gone. Two months in a row this happened . I think the delivery driver was Usain Bolt because I could never get to the door in time.
Cancelled further deliveries. Too much bother.

286898 ▶▶▶ Hill Street Bluez, replying to thinkaboutit, 1, #751 of 1418 🔗

Get it that Amazon is convenient and possibly cheap but I don’t use it lockdown or not. Why would anyone want to put money in Bezos’ pockets? The High Street is disappearing…jobs going down the plughole… working in warehouses and delivery driving the growth ‘industries’. They sell mask exemption lanyards too LS assures us. Wake up and smell the coffee!

286948 ▶▶▶ Victoria, replying to thinkaboutit, #752 of 1418 🔗

There are some amazing online wine shops, good prices and quick delivery

287400 ▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to thinkaboutit, #753 of 1418 🔗

I find their tracking is usually very good. Never had a problem.
They’ve changed the way the phone app works now, so I can hardly see the map, which is very annoying.
The trackyourpackage works well from my laptop, once it’s within 8 stops away.

286695 ▶▶ Bill h, replying to Cheezilla, 2, #755 of 1418 🔗

Excellent quality.

He is making the obvious point that there are no cops present (at the moment).

287397 ▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Bill h, #756 of 1418 🔗

There weren’t any all day. Check out the last hour for the march.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xCsrIkSToPg

286693 Leemc23, replying to Leemc23, 9, #757 of 1418 🔗

Been reflecting on my fight to date. It’s gotten no where. Ignored by anyone with influence. The system continues. What’s next ? It has to be civil disobedience. But how far does it need to go ? Hunger strikes outside our MP’s offices…. walking through the streets in a calm measured way will result in police oppression and media painting you as anti vaccine nutters.

How can it be that Parliament have voted to trade one life for another and pontificate and self praise over their difficult choices ?

286708 ▶▶ Dame Lynet, replying to Leemc23, 6, #758 of 1418 🔗

Mass cancellation of direct debits, particularly council tax which the more is paid the more is wasted. Pay by cheque at the very last minute.

286710 ▶▶▶ Dame Lynet, replying to Dame Lynet, 2, #759 of 1418 🔗

Or if brave and financially secure wait until the court summons.

286720 ▶▶▶ Bella Donna, replying to Dame Lynet, 2, #760 of 1418 🔗

I’d like to wait until the last day then pay it in pennies if I had my way.

286717 ▶▶ calchas, replying to Leemc23, 1, #761 of 1418 🔗

The big monetary shoe has yet to drop:

https://www.corbettreport.com/brettonwoods2/

Gamechanger.

286700 godowneasy, replying to godowneasy, 10, #762 of 1418 🔗

Russia begins roll out of Sputnik V vaccine. Interesting to note that it is still in trials: “It is currently in its third and final stage of clinical trials involving some 40,000 volunteers.” Also interesting that “Russia’s Levada polling agency in a recent survey found that only 36 percent of respondents were prepared to be vaccinated against the coronavirus.”

https://www.thejournal.ie/russia-covid-19-vaccine-rollout-begins-5289530-Dec2020/

Top (spoof) comment on this article:
I wasn’t allowed to say anything until today, but it’s now okay for me to share that I have volunteered for the Covid-19 vaccine trials that a local Hospital are running in partnership with Pfizer. It’s important that we all do our part to beat this virus.
The vaccine is the one that has been developed in Russia. I received my first dose this morning 06:20 am, and I wanted to let you all know that it’s completely safe, with иo side effects whatsoeveя, and that I feelshκι я чувю себя немного стрно и я думю, что вытл осные уши. чувству себя немго страо.

286718 ▶▶ Bella Donna, replying to godowneasy, #763 of 1418 🔗

😁

286702 Bella Donna, replying to Bella Donna, 15, #764 of 1418 🔗

Bad news. We’ve just got back from our town and 99%+ were wearing masks, even walking around our High Street!! FGS! The younger generation are the worse , I’m sure it’s just virtue signalling as well I suspect hiding their facial acne. The youngest child wearing a mask must have been about 6 years of age!

286712 ▶▶ The Mask Exempt Covid Marshall, replying to Bella Donna, 13, #765 of 1418 🔗

Ironically, wearing masks will surely only exacerbate their acne. So sad.

286723 ▶▶▶ Voz 0db, replying to The Mask Exempt Covid Marshall, 4, #766 of 1418 🔗

More profit for BIG PHARMA that will begin to sell miracle anti-acne creams and solutions!

286753 ▶▶▶▶ rose, replying to Voz 0db, 5, #767 of 1418 🔗

Anti-mascne cream!

286714 Smelly Melly, 36, #768 of 1418 🔗

I’d just like to say how grateful I am for C19. Not only has it eliminated deaths by flu and pneumonia but it has considerably reduced medical referrals for all types on cancer and cardiovascular conditions. I feel like banging pots and pans outside, because the work load on the NHS has been dramatically reduced, leaving the doctors and nurses to get on with their real jobs of making Tik Tok videos.

287332 ▶▶ Two-Six, replying to mwhite, #770 of 1418 🔗

Beware the Feacal Plumes!

286721 Voz 0db, 8, #771 of 1418 🔗

“Pfizer Chairman & CEO VETERINARIAN Albert Bourla”

Fixed!

The only PURPOSE of vaccines – currently – is to PROVIDE TRILLIONS of profits and good jobs for the boys!

286724 sumy, replying to sumy, 2, #772 of 1418 🔗

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1rYV3XoEUsfgFDse7fpB95_7XgTE2iCFv/view

Health of vaxxed vs unvaxxed population studies ?

286910 ▶▶ RickH, replying to sumy, #773 of 1418 🔗

Some good information and links, but a bit obsessive in trying to overstate the general case against vaccines without balancing the evaluation of evidence. The homeopathy that it espouses isn’t subjected to a parallel rigour.

A worrying confusion over ‘herd immunity’.

286725 James Marker, replying to James Marker, 42, #774 of 1418 🔗

The four UK Chief Medical Officers have said the vaccine will have only a marginal impact in reducing the number of Covid patients over the next three months. That’s a very curious statement, given that they intend to start vaccinating the most vulnerable from next week. It is almost tantamount to admitting they don’t expect the vaccine to work in any meaningful sense, but rather are looking to spring when respiratory infections fall naturally anyway. Meanwhile a report from NERVTAG admits that Britain is approaching the point where a significant number of people will have had Covid-19 and will be protected from future infection. So what on earth is the point of mass vaccination?  The policy is becoming more ridiculous by the day.

286736 ▶▶ Tyneside Tigress, replying to James Marker, 15, #775 of 1418 🔗

Experimentation, nothing more, nothing less. It’s what the fat controller promised to do in lieu of his future job prospects on the global stage.

286740 ▶▶ A. Contrarian, replying to James Marker, 5, #776 of 1418 🔗

Do you have a link to the NERVTAG report please? What do they consider to be a “significant” number of people? It seems like an unlikely thing for them to admit after denying herd immunity for so long, and would be very useful ammunition!

They’ve got to use the vaccine at this point, they’ve spent millions and billions on it and talked it up to the point of no return. So it doesn’t really matter what effect it will have any more.

286747 ▶▶▶ James Marker, replying to A. Contrarian, 2, #777 of 1418 🔗

It comes from an article in today’s Telegraph, which refers to a report released by the government yesterday. Sorry, I don’t have a link.

287391 ▶▶▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Richard Pinch, #779 of 1418 🔗

Thanks!

286752 ▶▶ TheOriginalBlackPudding, replying to James Marker, 20, #780 of 1418 🔗

Hancock, Johnson and assorted hangers-on bet the entire farm on a vaccine as their (quite possibly literal) get-out of-jail card after they so royally effed up in a panic last March. They have come this far, and birdbrain Hancock having sunk millions into it, ergo they have to go on.

286776 ▶▶▶ DavidC, replying to TheOriginalBlackPudding, 5, #781 of 1418 🔗

This a noted corporate psychology, where a corporation (or entity) will spend a lot of money on a project and, even though it is realised that it is either a) not going to come up with a result originally planned or b) is going to cost a LOT more money than originally planned to get anywhere near the originally planned result, it is still ploughed on with. Result – a project that deosn’t come up to standard and which has cost a lot more money than originally intended or is wise.

DavidC

286915 ▶▶▶▶ RickH, replying to DavidC, #782 of 1418 🔗

It’s basically group/confirmation confirmation bias.

286758 ▶▶ stefarm, replying to James Marker, 6, #783 of 1418 🔗

££££££££££££££££££££££££££££££

286784 ▶▶ Mark H, replying to James Marker, 12, #784 of 1418 🔗

They’ve said from day one “until a vaccine becomes available”. It’s been a mantra for 8 months.

We’ve been prodded by the stick of lockdowns and 2 weeks self-isolation with the carrot of a vaccine, and now the vaccine is here, did we honestly think they’d suddenly relinquish their grip on the stick?

286726 Ben, 6, #785 of 1418 🔗

Robin Monotti Gaziadei Twitter poll: which country will have a revolution first?

(I would say Italy)

https://twitter.com/robinmonotti/status/1335218767220125697?s=20

286764 BeBopRockSteady, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 6, #786 of 1418 🔗

I actually can’t believe a local rag is printing this. No surprises to us but it’s like the kind of thing you would have seen back in April, finally making noise among those who have delivered this hell to people.

https://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/news/health/coronavirus/cure-worse-than-covid-for-poor-in-northern-ireland-warns-prof-hugo-van-woerden-39827432.html

286839 ▶▶ Lms23, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 4, #787 of 1418 🔗

And :
“We are in the grip of an emerging poverty crisis that is forcing people to use torches to light their homes and go days without food, it has been claimed.

The People’s Kitchen, which provides financial aid and food to some of Belfast’s poorest people, said it is fielding up to 70 calls a day from those in need.

In one particularly harrowing phone call this week, an elderly man appealed for support as he was unable to pay for electricity and was using a torch to find his way around his home. In another case, a single mother of two children had gone two days without food so her youngsters wouldn’t go hungry.”
https://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/news/northern-ireland/coronavirus-pandemic-has-sparked-poverty-crisis-in-belfast-charity-warns-39827430.html

286861 ▶▶▶ jb12, replying to Lms23, 2, #788 of 1418 🔗

If it saves one life…

286771 Victoria, replying to Victoria, 8, #789 of 1418 🔗

Reminder:

Video from Paul Boys. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SPvBAGYiahY

He is going for a walk – Manchester, Sunday 6 December, 1pm at Piccadilly Gardens

~These politicians need to be ousted. He will put himself forward to serve his country and his people – hopefully many other will do the same ~

286772 ▶▶ Quernus, replying to Victoria, 5, #790 of 1418 🔗

I’ll be there tomorrow!

286773 richard riewer, replying to richard riewer, 7, #791 of 1418 🔗

https://twitter.com/i/status/1334803918073827329
How does an app that allows the government to track and trace you protect your privacy? Beats me.

286778 ▶▶ DavidC, replying to richard riewer, 2, #792 of 1418 🔗

Errrm, it doesn’t?

DavidC

286814 ▶▶ Ceriain, replying to richard riewer, 2, #793 of 1418 🔗

Will the Covid app be updated so we can be informed when it’s our demographics turn to take the vaccine?

Scary comment.

286774 godowneasy, replying to godowneasy, 6, #794 of 1418 🔗

Tedros lays it on the line – https://twitter.com/DrTedros/status/1335234411726598145

“Where science is drowned out by conspiracy theories;

Where solidarity is undermined by division;

Where sacrifice is substituted with self-interest;

The COVID19 virus thrives.”

———————————————————————————————-
Check out the comments if you are unlikely to be offended.

286781 ▶▶ thinkaboutit, replying to godowneasy, 4, #795 of 1418 🔗

No quarter given in the replies.

286788 ▶▶ Ben, replying to godowneasy, 6, #796 of 1418 🔗

Tedros, who refused a PCR test post quarantine because he didn’t feel he needed one, because he felt fine.

One rule for us and one rule for them.

286808 ▶▶ calchas, replying to godowneasy, 6, #797 of 1418 🔗


The COVID19 virus thrives.””

In miserably undefunded care homes inhabited by people with one foot in the grave, who are abandoned by their uninterested minimum wage ‘carers’ as government ordered lockdowns disrupt normal fuctioning.

286829 ▶▶ Lms23, replying to godowneasy, 3, #798 of 1418 🔗

https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/flashback-whos-tedros-was-accused-of-covering-up-cholera-outbreaks-in-ethiopia
Flashback: WHO’s Tedros was accused of covering up cholera outbreaks in Ethiopia

I remember those outbreaks mentioned in the news at the time, with Tedros denying that there was cholera, and said that people were just suffering from “watery diarrhoea.”
He had to admit to there being cholera in his country, where he was Health Minister, after it spread to neighbouring countries.

286840 ▶▶▶ leggy, replying to Lms23, 1, #799 of 1418 🔗

If you haven’t watched it, this hour long documentary is worth a look. It’s referenced in Pam Popper’s book:

Tedros Adhanom Incompetency, Politics & Imorality:Full Documentary
https://youtu.be/_aEOUXrilhw

286836 ▶▶ Sarigan, replying to godowneasy, 2, #800 of 1418 🔗

This one is on a mission:

https://twitter.com/firslut

286867 ▶▶▶ Ceriain, replying to Sarigan, 3, #801 of 1418 🔗

She/he tweeted this to Bojo:

I’m ambidextrous: I can manipulate statistics on Microsoft Excel with one hand and give “massages” with the other. If any secretarial positions open up at Number 10 just DM me.

286777 Cheezilla, 20, #802 of 1418 🔗

Great turnout in B’ham. No police as yet.
Corbyn’s speech was awesome.

https://www.facebook.com/SaveOurRightsUK/videos/321423638837201

286783 Frank, replying to Frank, 1, #803 of 1418 🔗

The Byline article is simply bad. It spends most of the time attacking one piece on LS (and may be right in this one case for all I know), raises the spectre that there are a large number of false negatives, which surely-without meaning it, rules mass testing out, and makes the false ‘money versus lives’ argument which I have literally never seen anyone make. Very poor-but logical reasoning and critical challenge are sadly absent in the whole Covid debate, with bad consequences for the fight against disease and our democracy.

286795 ▶▶ dpj, replying to Frank, 1, #804 of 1418 🔗

It is almost like an ‘exception proves the rule’ article where we are now on day 214 of this blog and he can only find fault with one or two previous articles which were a part of that day’s blog. There are hundreds of other articles from sources such as Prof Heneghan that he can no doubt find no fault with and doesn’t mention.

286860 ▶▶ DavidC, replying to Frank, #805 of 1418 🔗

Interesting that there is no Comments section or ability to reply to the hogwash of the article!

DavidC

286786 PWL, replying to PWL, 9, #806 of 1418 🔗

Why is Parliament debating a conspiracy theory? Why is your premier Covid-19 fearmongering alternative media giving it coverage? Could it be for leading folk up a garden path?

UK Government has no plans to make mandatory the “Covid-19 vaccine” (quotation marks because it has nothing to do with Covid-19).

So, let’s talk about this:

The information for healthcare professionals regarding the Pfizer vaccine says that its impact on fertility is a thing unknown, and that

“For women of childbearing age, pregnancy should be excluded before vaccination.”

Basically, any woman who wants a baby (whatever they say her chances are) should not take this vaccine.

More to come…

The Pfizer Vaccine’s Meaningless 90% Effectiveness, And The Circus Surrounding It

286828 ▶▶ Jonathan Palmer, replying to PWL, 3, #807 of 1418 🔗

I think it’s naive to think the government have no plans to make the vaccine mandatory.It will be done through a mixture of blackmail and coercion.Appeals to the common good and restrictions on flying,entry to pubs,concerts and workplaces.

287101 ▶▶▶ janis pennance, replying to Jonathan Palmer, #808 of 1418 🔗

They would have to be 100% certain of no serious adverse effects , so unless it contains water I personally don’t think they will

286789 cloud6, #809 of 1418 🔗

A great music treat from Freddie Mercury. A message here…Enjoy.

Queen – Heaven For Everyone – YouTube

286791 davews, 6, #810 of 1418 🔗

Just back after my walk in the local woods. Remarkably busy with loads of people giving their dogs some exercise. One woman commented that it was nowhere near as busy as it was on Mothering Sunday when it was heaving. I was going to comment back but realised she was one of the petrified ones who felt you needed to keep well away from people, probably me included. Short chat with the chap at our local station, he said the trains were quite a lot busier and the one which stopped while I was there certainly had quite a few on it as against the past few weeks when the place has been deserted and the trains moving empty air around.

286797 Old Bill, replying to Old Bill, 6, #811 of 1418 🔗

I was really pleased to read the letter from David Warbuton that Toby quoted today. Pleased that is, right up until the time he implied that Bojo’s government is ‘benign’. It is anything but benign, a weird contradictory mixture of hitherto undeclared medico and enviro fascism can never be called that. I am sure I don’t need to explain why his medical fascism is out of order, that is what this entire site is all about. I am of the opinion that the exaggerated response to covid is merely a cover plan for the even more dangerous environmental experiment.

I don’t live with my head in the sand, I know that before too long fossil fuels will not be viable, not because of anything to do with climate change – over which we have no control, but because they will cease to exist, we will have used them up. That time has not arrived yet and seeking to replace them while they still exist is a recipe for a disaster even if you think that windmills are a viable alternative. Windmills! Give me strength, that is just high comedy. Of course the fat controller has a backup plan using nuclear power. I am sure that will work well.

“Hello, Bojo here, is that Sizewell C (or whatever it might be called). The BBC tell me it is going to be windy for a few days so we won’t need you for a while, just put the reactor on standby will you. Bye now, Stay Safe”

I once watched a TV documentary about windmills, the interviewer was discussing them with someone whose business was supplying, installing and maintaining them, so no bias on the interviewees part then. He asked this person how effective they are, he responded without any hint of shame, that they produce electricity about 40% of the time. Can you imagine what the Extinction Guaranteed mobsters would do if the latest internal combustion engine had a 40% fuel efficiency? They would be out fire bombing them (or perhaps they wouldn’t because petrol is a fossil fuel – its difficult being PC isn’t it). So replacing fossil fuel power stations with windmills that work 40% of the time is catastrophic incompetence and in no way benign. It is the biggest threat this country has faced since WW2, maybe even more so, because Herr Hitler never managed to invade mainland Britain, but Herr Johnson is already here and already in power.

Out of interest, there is a source of power which, for an island nation, is 100% reliable and effectively everlasting, and that is tidal power. But I guess he doesn’t have shares in that so nothing to be gained by using it.

So sorry Mr. Warburton, I admire your stand against the Johnson government, but ‘benign’ it is not.

287024 ▶▶ Steve, replying to Old Bill, #812 of 1418 🔗

Harvesting wave/tidal energy is rather difficult. The sea tends to destroy the machines and no long term effective ones have yet been developed.

287330 ▶▶▶ Two-Six, replying to Steve, #813 of 1418 🔗

France has a tidal barrage near Mont Sait Michelle that has been there for a long time.

286801 PWL, replying to PWL, 9, #814 of 1418 🔗

Don’t you LockdownSceptic disciples think it a bit odd that a petition to call for no penalties for declining a vaccine gets picked up lickety-split for debate in parliament, when i) mandatory vaccine is an Ickeian conspiracy theory, ii) eminently more reasonable and more popular petitions get ignored all the time?

Doesn’t it occur to you that the subject has been planted, and is now being worked up for a psychological effect?

There won’t be a mandatory vaccine, but nevertheless, you must be made to be fearful of the prospect, and anything apparently less, though it be equally as harmful, will be welcomed with relief.

Things are as they ever were – except, there’s no longer any excuse for being naïve, and for being led by the nose by a bunch of shysters.

Prohibition And Covid-19; Part Three: “How The Amendment Was Put Through”; The Playbook For Getting Unwanted Legislation

286807 ▶▶ John Stone, replying to PWL, #815 of 1418 🔗

This is I fear more or less what I think. I didn’t sign it when it first came my way – though it was equally likely that it was just misguided. Now, of course, people have no alternative but to lobby over it, though complete lost cause with my MP.

286825 ▶▶ Darryl, replying to PWL, 3, #816 of 1418 🔗

Interesting article, the fact the mandatory subject was brought up months ago and now seems to have media traction suggests the establishment wants it that way to ramp up psychological pressure.

The quote by CS Lewis in the comments below the article is also very good.

Of all tyrannies, a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron’s cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some point be satiated; but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end for they do so with the approval of their own conscience. (CS Lewis)

286847 ▶▶ Julian, replying to PWL, 4, #817 of 1418 🔗

I don’t see why any vaccine scepticism at all would be welcomed or encouraged by the government, but I suppose it’s possible. I don’t think it matters much – I’d rather no vaccine had been developed/rushed/pushed/thought necessary, won’t have it myself and hope no-one has it because it’s a mistake for many reasons, but seeing as we have it, it’s better to have it voluntary than mandatory, explicitly or by stealth.

Governments always float extreme proposals to gauge opinion and soften us up. I think we’re wise to that. Some of us, at least.

you LockdownSceptic disciples” Not a disciple of anyone actually. Have not seen too much sign that many others are here either, though I am sure they can speak for themselves.

286950 ▶▶▶ RickH, replying to Julian, #818 of 1418 🔗

Perhaps an epithet/title shift needed towards the positive, rather than the ‘sceptic’ label?

Suggestions?

286863 ▶▶ Lms23, replying to PWL, 5, #819 of 1418 🔗

Mandatory vaccine is not an Ickeian conspiracy theory. A number of other governments have already touted it as a possibility, e.g. Australia and Canada. They won’t make it mandatory but will allow various organisations to ban people unless they’ve had a vaccine, e.g., the CEO of Qantas, who’s lobbying other airlines to do just that.

In the U.S., the medical profession seem less than keen:

https://humansarefree.com/2020/12/covid-vaccine-hesitancy-widespread-among-medical-professionals.html

“Researchers from the University of California Los Angeles’ Karin Fielding School of Public Health surveyed healthcare personnel working in the Los Angeles metropolitan area.

As the Washington Post reported, they found that two thirds (66.5%) of healthcare workers “intend to delay vaccination,” meaning they do not intend to get the COVID vaccine when it becomes available.

They plan instead on reviewing the data once it’s widely administered and proven safe.”

286905 ▶▶ Bill Grates, replying to PWL, 2, #820 of 1418 🔗

No sane person is taking anything at face value , we are under constant barrage by propaganda and mind games the whole time.

However we have to work with what cards are available to us. The govt sets the agenda and we have to respond. The only thing that matters is to get significant numbers of people to object to the developments as the “narrative” weaves around.

Signing up for this petition isn’t going to be an end in itself, we must skirmish and counter as best we can.

287062 ▶▶▶ Bugle, replying to Bill Grates, #821 of 1418 🔗

“We have to work with what cards are available to us.”

Absolutely. Neither should we feel we have to have a fully finessed position on everything. Actually, the burden of proof is not on us, it’s on those wishing to bring in the changes. We are human and we have rights: human rights, rights of man, state-of-nature rights – call them what you will – but we are our own.

286802 John Stone, 2, #822 of 1418 🔗

From Jacob Puliyel’s site:

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Redefining Vaccine Reactions to Erase Evidence of harm: Presentation at the 5th International Public Conference on Vaccination of National Vaccine Information Centre

https://jacob.puliyel.com/paper.php?id=460

286805 Mike Collins, replying to Mike Collins, 21, #823 of 1418 🔗

Listening to an interesting conversation on mandatory vaccination. Full on assault on the vaccine sceptic who countered with a fantastic response, what exemptions will the Government have to certificate for/offer?

He came up with, needle phobia, vegan (no idea?), mental health issues, taking another long term medicine (apparently not tested for reactivity with other meds), trying for a child (no reproductive testing), breast feeding, pregnant, dementia, religious belief (didn’t expand?), previous vaccine issues, by this point I’d decided that the whole mandatory story is a crock of sh1t. Millions of people will apply for exemption and the Government will either have to spend billions rebutting them or simply issue an exemption certificate.

I’ve got a needle phobia and my 56 year old wife and I are trying for a baby, we haven’t told the 30yr old daughter yet :-). Can vegans eat water thin ham? If so I’m a vegan

286813 ▶▶ godowneasy, replying to Mike Collins, 6, #824 of 1418 🔗

The list of exemptions could be very long indeed. I doubt whether they have thought it through. My key question though is: How will they deal with those who are exempt in terms of access to travel, other restrictions (e.g. sports, theatre etc) that been floated? Will an “exemption pass” count the same as a “vaccination pass”? The portion of society that is side-lined could be very significant – for example, how many women of child bearing age are there?

286878 ▶▶▶ OKUK, replying to godowneasy, #825 of 1418 🔗

Good point. Could 20 million women potentially!

286886 ▶▶▶▶ godowneasy, replying to OKUK, 1, #826 of 1418 🔗

Exactly – and they can’t all be excluded from society can they. I want to find out whether anything is documented on this. It surely could stop the whole “mandatory” debate in its tracks.

286827 ▶▶ Tom Blackburn, replying to Mike Collins, 4, #827 of 1418 🔗

The mandatory thing ain’t gonna happen and – as a group – I think we need to stop engaging with it. The idea of it, discussion of it, the lot. As we are at the behest of evil fuckers and their sycophants, I get the distinct impression they wouldn’t go that far UNLESS they knew it bothered us. That is the territory we are in right now. In a country where drinking booze after 10 can be stopped…just because, it is just a hop, skip and a jump to forcible vaccination. I’d like “them” to find their own way there all by themselves rather than us leaving a trail of breadcrumbs.

286885 ▶▶▶ OKUK, replying to Tom Blackburn, 4, #828 of 1418 🔗

That’s confuse-a-cat stuff. We have to oppose it and in any case you are failing to recognise there is a continuum from mandatory to public coercion to private coercion and social pressure.

286843 ▶▶ Janice21, replying to Mike Collins, #829 of 1418 🔗

A lot of vaccines have egg in them. My friends daughter is extremely allergic to egg and couldn’t get some of her jabs.
So maybe there is egg in the c19 vaccine?

286887 ▶▶▶ OKUK, replying to Janice21, #830 of 1418 🔗

I don’t think they use eggs any more.

286891 ▶▶▶▶ OKUK, replying to OKUK, #831 of 1418 🔗

But I am sure they test them on animals first.

286846 ▶▶ Ceriain, replying to Mike Collins, #832 of 1418 🔗

Good luck with the baby. 😉

286848 ▶▶ Lms23, replying to Mike Collins, 6, #833 of 1418 🔗

https://humansarefree.com/2020/12/chief-medical-officer-says-canadians-who-refuse-vaccine-wont-have-freedom-to-move-around.html

“Chief Medical Officer Says Canadians Who Refuse Vaccine Won’t Have ‘Freedom To Move Around’

Ontario’s Chief Medical Officer says that those who refuse to take the COVID vaccine won’t have “freedom to move around” and will have to continue to wear masks.

Dr. David Williams was asked if he “would make some sort of mandatory vaccination recommendation.”

Williams acknowledged that “we can’t force someone to take a vaccine,” but when on to explain how people who didn’t take it would have their freedom of mobility severely restricted.”

This is the direction of travel. It won’t be mandatory, but…..

286857 ▶▶▶ godowneasy, replying to Lms23, #834 of 1418 🔗

Yes – but what about genuine exemptions?

286896 ▶▶▶▶ Bugle, replying to godowneasy, 1, #835 of 1418 🔗

What about people who just don’t want the bloody thing?

286904 ▶▶▶▶▶ godowneasy, replying to Bugle, 1, #836 of 1418 🔗

I count myself as one of those but if necessary I’ll find a suitable exemption, probably stopping short of getting a sex change.

286959 ▶▶▶▶ RickH, replying to godowneasy, #837 of 1418 🔗

The genuine exemption is simple : not consenting.

286958 ▶▶▶ RickH, replying to Lms23, 3, #838 of 1418 🔗

It’s still against the accepted international legal framework.

286960 ▶▶▶ mikewaite, replying to Lms23, #839 of 1418 🔗

Has Dr Williams taken the vaccination?

287163 ▶▶▶ Lisa (formerly) from Toronto, replying to Lms23, #840 of 1418 🔗

He was referring to LTC facilities and schools, but it’s worrying nonetheless mostly because my daughter is in her last year of teacher’s college. I will blow a gasket if she’s forced to get a vaccine in order to work as a teacher, but what he’s saying is people wanting access to certain facilities where there is “risk” would have to wear some kind of PPE if not vaccinated. It’ll be interesting to see what these morons say and do when they realize the vaccine isn’t even designed to stop the transmission of the virus.

But on PPE, there are legal precedents in Ontario that pre-date Covid that have been decided in our favour. The hospitals tried to force nurses who refused the flu vaccine to wear masks and they lost that case at the Ontario Supreme Court. Interesting that the hospitals lost that case because the (actual) science demonstrated that masks do not prevent the transmission of viruses. This will be litigated again post-Covid and I fear the editorials passing as science, the so-called “growing body of evidence,” will sway the courts in the other direction. I guess we will see at some point whether the courts have been captured. Sad that I’m hoping for catastrophically bad health consequences to befall those who take the vaccine such that it is unequivocally taken off the market.

287010 ▶▶ Steve, replying to Mike Collins, 1, #841 of 1418 🔗

The vegan one will be due to it being cultivated on fetuses same as fof religious reasons.

287313 ▶▶ CGL, replying to Mike Collins, #842 of 1418 🔗

The vegan thing will be to do with the fact that there is apparently cloned cells from a male foetus from the 1960’s I think

286872 ▶▶ davews, replying to Cheezilla, 1, #844 of 1418 🔗

Not new, another one I find I have already signed.

287310 ▶▶▶ CGL, replying to davews, 1, #845 of 1418 🔗

I need to keep a spreadsheet! I can’t remember which ones I’ve signed either

287386 ▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to davews, #846 of 1418 🔗

Me too. Hard to keep track!

286873 ▶▶ thedarkhorse, replying to Cheezilla, 1, #847 of 1418 🔗

It would have more effect if there was a write-up to go with it, such as reasons for not having a pass (freedom being a God-given right, etc and others)

286811 Paul, replying to Paul, 26, #848 of 1418 🔗

Furniture is dangerous.A friend,in her 70s,bought a table from a British Heart Foundation charity shop and had to struggle and lift it into her car whilst the staff watched her,the staff said they can’t put items in customers cars ‘due to covid’,they did carry it to the shop door though.
Raffle tickets are dangerous.The same charity shop has cancelled their Christmas raffle ‘to protect customers and staff’.

Clown planet.

286833 ▶▶ Victoria, replying to Paul, 5, #849 of 1418 🔗

Used to visit at least 4 charity shops a week, bought a lot. However since lockdown they got hysterical with santizer, masks and one way systems that makes crowding worse, decided never to go back. Donations now in local clothes recycling containers, other products sadly binned.

286897 ▶▶▶ Sir Roderick Spode, replying to Victoria, 7, #850 of 1418 🔗

If you are near London check out the Rock and Roll Rescue shop in Camden- I volunteer there ,don’t wear a mask and customers can please themselves what they want to do.Vintage clothes,vinyl ,books,musical instruments,amps ,that sort of caper.

286812 Mars-in-Aries, replying to Mars-in-Aries, #851 of 1418 🔗

Sweden may not be experiencing any “significant” increase in Covid deaths, but contrary to the theme of the article they are shutting all secondary schools to combat the spread of infection.

286837 ▶▶ Julian, replying to Mars-in-Aries, 1, #852 of 1418 🔗

A shame, but the Swedish government and Tegnell have always, at least publicly, bought into the narrative that it was necessary to do something about covid, and so have many of the Swedish people. The smart move they made was to make the measures generally voluntary or light touch so they were sustainable economically and socially over a longer period.

286841 ▶▶ calchas, replying to Mars-in-Aries, 2, #853 of 1418 🔗

If so, then counter-productive:

““Closing schools during the pandemic would result in more overall deaths in the long term than keeping them open, according to fresh analysis of the data that informed the government’s decision on lockdown.

The study, led by researchers from the University of Edinburgh, also revealed that social distancing is a more effective tool at reducing deaths when only employed by people over 70, compared with among the general population. ”
……
“General social distancing is predicted to reduce the number of cases, but increase the total number of deaths when compared with social distancing being practiced by the over 70’s only. This is because Covid-19 related deaths are highly skewed towards older age groups, experts said. ”

https://www.ed.ac.uk/news/2020/shutting-schools-increases-covid-19-deaths-study-f

The implication of this study is that in a situation where the population is divided into two distinct subsets, with only one of these, being susceptible to a disease, that there is a trade-off.

General social distancing, outside of the susceptible group, if it reduces the speed of disease transmission will reduce the peak in use of hospital facilities at the cost of increasing rhe ultimate number of dead.

286855 ▶▶▶ Julian, replying to calchas, 1, #854 of 1418 🔗

I doubt they believe it will help, it’s just theatre to make it look like they are doing something

286973 ▶▶▶▶ RickH, replying to Julian, #855 of 1418 🔗

And sadly, I think, there is some response to political pressure. The figures show no need for any additional measures.

286862 ▶▶ OKUK, replying to Mars-in-Aries, 2, #856 of 1418 🔗

They are actually 16 + plus schools and they were closed earlier in the year.

286819 Chloe, replying to Chloe, 3, #857 of 1418 🔗

If you could “blue pill” yourself and join the masses in believing the media, becoming pro-lockdown, pro-vaccine and some might say blissfully ignorant, would you? Why or why not?

286830 ▶▶ Julian, replying to Chloe, 7, #858 of 1418 🔗

No, because I believe being awake to reality leads to a life lived more fully. I suppose most people have a breaking point after which they would choose blissful ignorance over excruciating suffering, but I am not there.

286832 ▶▶ DavidC, replying to Chloe, 7, #859 of 1418 🔗

We’ve taken the red pill and once it’s been taken there’s no going back.

DavidC

286865 ▶▶ Ben, replying to Chloe, 6, #860 of 1418 🔗

No. Because these moronic sheeple are terrified of something they needn’t be terrified of. They are destroying my freedom to live my life

‘My rights don’t end where your fear begins’

286869 ▶▶ mattghg, replying to Chloe, 3, #861 of 1418 🔗

No. But I had to think about it!

286899 ▶▶ Now More Than Ever, replying to Chloe, 4, #862 of 1418 🔗

No. It’s a nobler path we tread. They will be grateful to us eventually, without realising it.

286912 ▶▶ Ceriain, replying to Chloe, 5, #863 of 1418 🔗

No, simply because I have never believed the media, or the government. Those feelings have strengthened since social media came along. I’m like George:

I have certain rules I live by. My first rule, I don’t believe anything the government tells me… and I don’t take very seriously the media or the press in this country.

George Carlin

Be like George, I say.

286913 ▶▶ Lisa (formerly) from Toronto, replying to Chloe, 6, #864 of 1418 🔗

Never! Being a sceptic has served me well my whole life and I value truth above all. I’ve just never been an ignorance is bliss person, which is maybe why I spent so much of my adult life in school (ABD — all but dissertation as I just ran out of steam after finishing all my PhD course work). I think I’m genetically incapable of taking things at face value and not asking a lot of questions.

286999 ▶▶▶ Tom in Scotland, replying to Lisa (formerly) from Toronto, 2, #865 of 1418 🔗

Yes, I’m the same way (in my case, a doubting Thomas). It’s just the way I’m wired and I have no regrets. Ignorance is not bliss and I suspect that many Covidians will discover this sooner or later.

286961 ▶▶ TheBluePill, replying to Chloe, 3, #866 of 1418 🔗

Red pill every time.

286963 ▶▶▶ G.Fawkes, replying to TheBluePill, 1, #867 of 1418 🔗

Agree. Besides, I’d rather be amused than petrified.

287241 ▶▶▶ richard riewer, replying to TheBluePill, #868 of 1418 🔗

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EUY2kJE0AZE

Jefferson Airplaine: White Rabbit

287071 ▶▶ Lydia, replying to Chloe, 8, #869 of 1418 🔗

My husband and I have this conversation and if it would be better if we joined the masses and just do as we’re told and be good sheep but we can’t do it. Before all of this I was a sheep, I did what I was told, followed the crowd never dare stepping out of line, never speaking my mind as I didn’t want to cause offence. That’s all changed, I don’t follow any coronavirus rules and never will. But it causes me great stress and anxiety as this is not what I am usually like but it still doesn’t stop me from fighting this draconian nightmare that we’re living in. And one day I’ll look back on this and I’ll be so happy that my family and I were never sheep.

on another note I just found a drawing by my 9 year child, she has drawn a clown and underneath she has written ‘on holiday this is what we call Boris’ it made me beam with pride!

286823 Tenchy, replying to Tenchy, 2, #870 of 1418 🔗

Is this just blatant thickery and paranoia on the part of the Victoria (Aus) Establishment, or is there really something more sinister going on? It’s almost as if they want to keep the people subdued and controlled. From The Telegraph live feed (free), my emphasis:

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/global-health/science-and-disease/coronavirus-news-covid-pfizer-vaccine-list-uk-cases-deaths/

From what it seems, the people in question haven’t even been confirmed as “cases”; they merely didn’t go into quarantine.

Covid break out sends Melbourne flight into isolation

An entire Virgin Airways flight to Melbourne has been advised to isolate at home after two travellers failed to quarantine in Sydney.

The Department of Health and Human Services said that anyone who travelled on Virgin Airways flight VA 838 from Sydney at midday AEDT and arriving in Melbourne at 1.25pm on Saturday should “immediately quarantine at home and contact DHHS”.

The two travellers are now in mandatory quarantine in Victoria after arriving in Sydney from overseas earlier on Saturday.

“Anyone who has been at the Melbourne Airport domestic terminal on Saturday afternoon is advised to monitor for Covid-19 symptoms and to seek testing if symptoms develop,” the department said. Meanwhile, a change to mask rules and increased social gathering caps are expected to be announced for Victoria on Sunday.

287235 ▶▶ richard riewer, replying to Tenchy, #871 of 1418 🔗

Financil investments from China. Blackmail, like the World Bank.

286824 calchas, 7, #872 of 1418 🔗

https://humansarefree.com/2020/12/politician-curacao-blackmailed-impose-restrictions-basic-human-rights.html

Politician from Curaçao Blows Whistle: ‘We Are Being Blackmailed’ to Impose Draconian Laws That Severely Restrict the Basic Human Rights
In addition to freedom of movement, the minister can also suspend freedom of expression, the right of association and the right to demonstrate when necessary.

The government also has the power to expropriate both movable and immovable property by simple decree. Such expropriation could be used, for example, to house a group of “infected” refugees in any building.”

………….

“Walroud admits that the measures have little to do with fighting the virus:

“It’s all about behavioral changes.” But he sees no way out of the dilemma at the moment. It is clear to him that the population may have to live permanently in an emergency situation with severely restricted freedoms.”

286835 Ceriain, replying to Ceriain, 52, #873 of 1418 🔗

Short tale for you all.

A couple of weeks ago, before Poppy Day, I had a conversation with an ‘old boy’ (masked) at the bus stop, in the morning heading into central London.

He was wearing a poppy, I asked him why.
He said it was to recognise the soldiers who had fought in the last war for our freedoms.
I asked him why he was wearing a mask.
He paused, thought for a bit, then took it off and put it in his pocket.
I noticed 4 others who were listening to the conversation did likewise.

More to the point, none of them put them back on when getting on the bus (as you are supposed to).

Baby steps.

286844 ▶▶ calchas, replying to Ceriain, 5, #874 of 1418 🔗

Thanks – great to hear.

286884 ▶▶▶ Ceriain, replying to calchas, 9, #875 of 1418 🔗

It was something that my wife reminded me of last night. She works in Central London and busses in most days.

We were chatting last night and she mentioned fewer people on the bus were masked; also that the busses were getting much busier again. (Londoners “know “!)

She also mentioned that she overhears people saying they only wear them because of the ‘stupid’ rules. It was then she suggested I post the story of the old guy I met, so I did. 🙂

286842 Hugh, replying to Hugh, 6, #876 of 1418 🔗

I have noted with interest various comments about nutritional supplements to protect against ‘flus, viruses etc. and I think on this subject, it’s worth stating that the Orthomolecular Medicine News Service (OMNS) recommend the following (and I have put the relevant web address at the end):

“Physicians of OMNS urge a nutrient-based method to prevent/minimize symptoms for future viral infection. The following inexpensive supplemental levels are recommended for adults:

vitamin C:3000mgdaily, divided doses;
vitamin D3: 2000 international units/day (start with 5000/day for 2 weeks then 2000);
magnesium:400 mg/day (citrate, malate, chelate or chloride forms);
zinc:20mg/day;
selenium: 100mcg/day,

have been shown to strengthen the immune system against viruses.”

Someone on this forum has also suggested 7000 iu of “high quality” vitamin D/day combined with vitamin K2.

I think it also worth asking if the government has been paying any attention to the OMNS, or indeed if they are even aware of orthomolecular (nutritional) medicine, but I would hazard a guess that they know what side their bread is buttered, that big political donations come from pharmaceutical companies conducting profitable research, rather than doctors and scientists promoting good nutrition, that they will be quite happy to take advice from not particularly impartial experts who might be described as having a conflict of interest so far as the pharmaceutical industry is concerned.
And I would certainly feel happier if OMNS was running this rather than some of the people on SAGE..
OMNS web address below.

orthomolecular.org/resources/omns/v16n04.shtml

286854 ▶▶ Victoria, replying to Hugh, 6, #877 of 1418 🔗

Great website. Dr Andrew Saul was also involved in trials where they successfully used high dose vitamin C on very sick covid patients. Needless to say that was heavily censored and never made MSM

VIDEO: Coronavirus, Vitamin C, and Censorship : Why are you seeing nothing in the mass media about China already using high-dose vitamin C to prevent and treat COVID-19 coronavirus? Or being falsely told that intravernous vitamin C therapy for coronavirus is “fake news”?

NEW: Here is free access to an important presentation I recently made in Tokyo on why and how COVID 19 AND RELATED DISEASES RESPOND WELL TO HIGH-DOSE VITAMIN C. I am grateful to the Japanese Society for Orthomolecular Medicine for their kind permission to post this video in English for you to see and share.

http://www.doctoryourself.com

286889 ▶▶▶ Hugh, replying to Victoria, 2, #878 of 1418 🔗

Thanks for that, doctoryourself is going straight in mu lockdown diary (going to be a very long diary at this rate…)

286856 ▶▶ OKUK, replying to Hugh, 1, #879 of 1418 🔗

The government have, after
11 months, put on place arrangements for free Vit D distribution to some people. Very late in the day, s gesture dpmtjeh can say they have this covered.

287448 ▶▶▶ thinkaboutit, replying to OKUK, #880 of 1418 🔗

I read somewhere the government free vitamin D is 400IU. Doesn’t sound much use tbh.

286864 ▶▶ Hugh, replying to Hugh, #882 of 1418 🔗

I’ve mucked up the link, can’t adjust it, it’s as above but without the added bit (omn) when it goes to it.

Just seen, the post above with just the link is correct.

286888 ▶▶ Lisa (formerly) from Toronto, replying to Hugh, 3, #883 of 1418 🔗

Yes, I’m the one who keeps pushing for a higher dose of Vit D3 along with K2 for absorption. Unless you’ve had the Vit D levels in your blood checked, presume it’s low given that we are in the cold season and in the northern hemisphere none of us is getting Vit D from sunlight. I have inflammation from an overactive immune system which is a big reason my Vit D levels have been very low (I’ve had blood tests in the past to check) so I take 8,000 iu a day in spray form, along with K2 (and Vit C, magnesium and zinc). Given that you can get 10,000 iu of Vitamin D from 15-30 minutes of sun exposure, I opt for more Vit D than less. Perhaps for people without inflammation 2,000 – 5,000 iu is enough, but for me at least 8,000 iu per day is what I need to get my blood levels to normal.

287231 ▶▶ richard riewer, replying to Hugh, #884 of 1418 🔗

They probably don’t have shares in all those vitamin supplements.

287449 ▶▶ Ben, replying to Hugh, #885 of 1418 🔗

I’ve read those vitamin D guidelines are too high.

286845 Victoria, replying to Victoria, 5, #886 of 1418 🔗

many of those going around ….

Coronavirus fears are causing “ delusional pyschosis ” in Americans, cautions psychiatrist
https://www.naturalnews.com/2020-12-04-coronavirus-fears-causing-delusional-psychosis-in-americans.html

286853 ▶▶ G.Fawkes, replying to Victoria, 3, #887 of 1418 🔗

I knew we should’ve shot those fucking pilgrims before they reached the boats.

286990 ▶▶▶ Tom in Scotland, replying to G.Fawkes, 2, #888 of 1418 🔗

I’m a direct descendent of those fucking pilgrims! I understand the sentiments, though…

287086 ▶▶▶▶ G.Fawkes, replying to Tom in Scotland, 1, #889 of 1418 🔗

Ahh, I’m only joking.

We should’ve strangled them instead.

286851 Julian, replying to Julian, 16, #890 of 1418 🔗

A friend of a friend has been 100% pro-lockdown, worried well since the start.

But she’s going to wait before having the vaccine.

So either:
1) She doesn’t truly believe the virus is a deadly threat to her or
2) She believes it’s a deadly threat but wants others to shoulder the burden of getting immunity or
3) She wants to stay locked down forever

I think there will be many like her. It will focus people’s minds.

286866 ▶▶ mattghg, replying to Julian, 5, #891 of 1418 🔗

Probably 2 tbh

286870 ▶▶▶ Julian, replying to mattghg, 2, #892 of 1418 🔗

That’s my guess too

286879 ▶▶ Lydia, replying to Julian, 12, #893 of 1418 🔗

My mums friend was 100% lockdown, didn’t dare go outside to shops, see her daughter and grandchildren, only going for walks. Was hoping for a vaccine so she could return to normal. In October she was diagnosed with cancer and sadly died 3 weeks later.
The Gov made her so frightened of life and people she hid away and died anyway but without seeing her friends and family.
So sad.

286914 ▶▶ calchas, replying to Julian, 4, #894 of 1418 🔗

I think that – using street camera recordings – there should be a dedicated effort to find those who have voluntarily worn masks, and make sure that they receive the vaccine first in order to allay their fears.

Btw you can tell your friend of a friend that she needn’t worry about losing lockdowns.

They will carry on regardless.

286852 Just about sane, replying to Just about sane, 10, #895 of 1418 🔗

This is the year that just keeps giving more and more shit. I have just read that my 3 chickens have to be put into lockdown from December 14. They are to be shut inside or put where wild birds can’t mix with them. Oh ffs.
We’ve now got to contend with another bloody virus this time in birds. Those poor turkey farmers, Christmas in three weeks and a farm in Norfolk is having to cull their flock.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-55201167

286868 ▶▶ Cecil B, replying to Just about sane, 8, #896 of 1418 🔗

My mother advised me to keep away from wild birds

286902 ▶▶▶ Just about sane, replying to Cecil B, 4, #897 of 1418 🔗

Well this bird is wild with rage.

287014 ▶▶▶ dhid, replying to Cecil B, 1, #898 of 1418 🔗

Yeah there were quite a few in my local pubs too when I was a youngster..great fun…
Lol.

286871 ▶▶ G.Fawkes, replying to Just about sane, 8, #899 of 1418 🔗

At this point I could quite easily believe that the Bird Flu is a load of horeshit and they just want to crush people’s spirits by ruining Christmas even more.

286908 ▶▶▶ Just about sane, replying to G.Fawkes, 3, #900 of 1418 🔗

I try not to allow myself to go down that rabbit hole but I am starting to believe that. They’ve already removed all the fun out of normal living why not kill the rest of the joy we try to get at Christmas?

286947 ▶▶▶▶ richard riewer, replying to Just about sane, 2, #901 of 1418 🔗

No black birds in a pie this year.

286877 ▶▶ Bugle, replying to Just about sane, 6, #902 of 1418 🔗

Domestic animals next. I’m going to dye my dog pink and pass him off as a unicorn.

286881 ▶▶▶ Liam, replying to Bugle, 5, #903 of 1418 🔗

I’ve said on many occasions that they will come for pets eventually.

286911 ▶▶▶▶ Just about sane, replying to Liam, 9, #904 of 1418 🔗

They’re not getting my dogs, over my dead body and anyone who tries to take them.

286952 ▶▶▶▶▶ G.Fawkes, replying to Just about sane, 4, #905 of 1418 🔗

Same. And it’s probably not a good idea to mess with a Malinois.

287080 ▶▶▶▶▶ Mr Dee, replying to Just about sane, 3, #906 of 1418 🔗

There are so many dog owners in the small town I’ve just moved to, I’ll soon mobilise a sizeable army if they try this. Viva la revolution!

287294 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ CGL, replying to Mr Dee, 1, #907 of 1418 🔗

Yes – I actually think that might be the red line for even the hard-line sheeples

287025 ▶▶▶▶ dhid, replying to Liam, 7, #908 of 1418 🔗

If there is one thing that would be guaranteed to eventually mobilise us Brits, it would be daring to suggests our dogs might be culled..

287031 ▶▶▶▶▶ Bugle, replying to dhid, #909 of 1418 🔗

Why do you think I keep mentioning it?

287248 ▶▶▶▶▶ Sue, replying to dhid, 2, #910 of 1418 🔗

yes i said a few months back the only thing to wake up the complacent morons is to cull their pets. but you know i can hear some still saying “never mind it’s for the best” or “there’s nothing we can do…”
Not a big fan of my fellow citizens – present company excepted of course!! 🙂

286906 ▶▶▶ Liz F, replying to Bugle, 10, #911 of 1418 🔗

Wonder if I could train my dogs to administer the Covid vaccine? They don’t have any A-levels but they’ve got a certificate from puppy training that they did 9 years ago.

287027 ▶▶▶▶ Bugle, replying to Liz F, 3, #912 of 1418 🔗

You might find they’re overqualified.

287033 ▶▶▶▶ dhid, replying to Liz F, 1, #913 of 1418 🔗

As Bugle said – over qualified by far.

286858 Liam, replying to Liam, 33, #914 of 1418 🔗

I’ve come to the conclusion that a very large number of people in the developed world – maybe even a majority – don’t really accept their own mortality. Oh, of course, they accept it in the abstract . They’ll say things like “of course we’ll all be goners eventually”. But I’m convinced a lot of people don’t really, truly believe it.

Witness the ritual grief over public figures who pass away in old age. One case might be Aretha Franklin. In the aftermath of her death there was a lot of wailing about her being “gone too soon.” She was 76, a morbidly obese alcoholic. Given this she lived to a tremendous age.

The inability to accept the inevitable explains a lot of the misery we’re living in at the moment.

286874 ▶▶ Julian, replying to Liam, 9, #915 of 1418 🔗

Yes indeed we have become isolated from it

A lot of people have not properly grown up

I worry a lot about dying, far too much, but worry more about having to live like this

286955 ▶▶▶ annie, replying to Julian, 6, #916 of 1418 🔗

Live first. Die later.

287286 ▶▶▶ CGL, replying to Julian, 1, #917 of 1418 🔗

Exactly – more worried about not living before dying than of dying

286875 ▶▶ Arkansas, replying to Liam, 5, #918 of 1418 🔗

See also: the direct or indirect “transhuman” and “consciousness-upload” fantasies referred to by Musk, Schwab, many tech guys. It’s like they are living in the anticipation of (spoilers) the end of season two of ‘Westworld’ — and also fantasising about the events of season three.

286917 ▶▶▶ Mark, replying to Arkansas, 4, #919 of 1418 🔗

As a lifelong science fiction reader, I’ve encountered no end of these “immortality through consciousness uploading” etc fantasies.

Always seems to me to be based on an underlying nonsense. Just because another body “wakes up” carrying your personality and memories, why would that in any way mean “you” hadn’t already died?

Requires a concept of a transferrable soul every bit (or more so) as open to question as the Christian concept.

286970 ▶▶▶▶ Tom in Scotland, replying to Mark, 3, #920 of 1418 🔗

Agree entirely. I’m a big sci-fi ‘consumer’ and have thought about this concept quite a lot. I finally came to the conclusion that you would no longer be the same person. We only have this one life and we need to make the most of it, which is another one of many reasons why I am so bloody angry about what’s happened to us since March.

287084 ▶▶▶▶▶ Mark, replying to Tom in Scotland, 2, #921 of 1418 🔗

Absolutely!

Yes, it’s particularly amusing for me because it often (not always) goes with a kind of assumption of tech-based atheism, with no room for any kind of soul. If there’s some kind of rationalisation incorporated in the story for soul transfer, or perhaps a more complex resurrection technology as in say the Hyperion Cantos, it’s not so intellectually offensive, I think, but in most of the versions in modern tech fantasy stuff it is pretty much just a simple reprogram with personality/memories and Bob’s your new body. A bit like a lot of “transporter” technologies in earlier science fiction, to allow them to basically just convert people to pure information for easier travel..

287107 ▶▶▶▶ Arkansas, replying to Mark, 1, #922 of 1418 🔗

As a lifelong science fiction reader, I’ve encountered no end of these “immortality through consciousness uploading” etc fantasies.

Me too. And it makes me wonder: surely the people fantasising about such things have read exactly the same stories I have, because surely doing so would be part of your behaviour if you were an enthusiast? But maybe they aren’t the Philip K Dick sort, and it’s all shiny utopian stuff rather than existential reality philosophy stuff.

Just because another body “wakes up” carrying your personality and memories, why would that in any way mean “you” hadn’t already died?

In particular, it reminds me of a short story (temporarily forgotten the title) where a woman uses a teleport, but her “original” — i.e. actually her — isn’t destroyed as it should be, and so she is hunted down so that there aren’t two of her.

Requires a concept of a transferrable soul every bit (or more so) as open to question as the Christian concept.

Or at least some notion of a “viewpoint” or “perspective” which is independent of the location of a particular physical arrangement, even if it is mostly (historically) coincident with it.

Don’t they ever wonder where they were “before” this strand of recallable experience? And so where do they thing they are going to be after this “upload” procedure? Are they thinking they can “jump strands”? This would be an example (common) of conflating a sort of diagram of reality, a set of concepts or descriptions, with experience itself — without noticing that they are kind of parallel things (the experience itself , versus thoughts about the experience) and it’s meaningless to plan for one in terms of the other.

287136 ▶▶▶▶▶ Mark, replying to Arkansas, #923 of 1418 🔗

In particular, it reminds me of a short story (temporarily forgotten the title) where a woman uses a teleport, but her “original” — i.e. actually her — isn’t destroyed as it should be, and so she is hunted down so that there aren’t two of her .”

Rings a bell, but likewise I can’t bring a title or writer to mind. Another short story I similarly recall but can’t remember the writer or title for involved iirc a system of transportation which created a kind of shadow duplicate each time the device was used – the catch being that the shadow duplicates existed in a kind of shadow of reality where of course there was no food and no tech or possibility of return or interaction with the original reality. So it resulted in a situation in which the only food was the bodies of the newly created duplicates arriving regularly. And of course if you were unlucky, your consciousness was the one newly created as prey for the already established transportees, rather than the one safely transported to its intended destination….

Took me a few days to shake that one off, I can tell you…..

287177 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Alethea, replying to Mark, 1, #924 of 1418 🔗

There is something similar in The Prestige: a teleportation device that duplicates the traveller. So a magician can be trapped in a tank of water on stage; the device is activated; now the magician exists in two versions, one of them drowning in the tank (veiled), the other transported to the other side of the stage. For every teleportation, one of the two selves has to be killed – left to drown in the tank. Elegantly horrifying.

287204 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Mark, replying to Alethea, 1, #925 of 1418 🔗

Elegantly horrifying .”

Nice construction – very apt!

287427 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Arkansas, replying to Mark, #926 of 1418 🔗

That other sounds “good”. For the first story, I was thinking maybe Ray Bradbury, but I can’t find it listed anywhere. Grrr.

287481 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Mark, replying to Arkansas, #927 of 1418 🔗

I’m thinking mine was someone mid-C20th, possibly Eric Frank Russell or William Tenn. But there were a lot of people writing short stories at the time and my father had very considerable collection of ASF, Galaxy etc magazines, so I read most of them in my youth.

286876 ▶▶ Ben, replying to Liam, 10, #928 of 1418 🔗

‘Do not fear death, but rather the unlived life.
We don’t have to live forever – we just have to live’ – Tuck Everlasting

287137 ▶▶▶ RickH, replying to Ben, 5, #929 of 1418 🔗

Bluntly – my days are numbered, and that’s why I can’t deal with self-regarding areseholes and the terminally terrified and timid chucking a significant proportion of what’s left on the bonfire of their incontinent vanity ‘just in case’.

Pretend to ‘Save a Granny’ – and fuck the world.

287335 ▶▶▶ CGL, replying to Ben, 4, #930 of 1418 🔗

I have just posted this on fb and one of my friends has commented ‘Strange comment’
I asked her why – “just don’t understand it”
How to explain – where to begin . . .

287446 ▶▶▶▶ Ben, replying to CGL, 1, #931 of 1418 🔗

I despair. Humans are more stupid than I feared.

Perhaps if they saw the film ‘Tuck Everlasting’ they might get it. Or maybe not. Crustaceans have more intelligence

286880 ▶▶ jb12, replying to Liam, 7, #932 of 1418 🔗

Yes, I have concluded this myself. People are also unwilling to face up to their relative’s mortality hence thr completely irrational response of destroying society to ‘save’ people who are about to die.

286893 ▶▶▶ Liam, replying to jb12, 1, #933 of 1418 🔗

Yes, people rage and call for an investigation when a frail, elderly relative dies. It might be displacement activity, I really don’t know.

286882 ▶▶ Mark, replying to Liam, 2, #934 of 1418 🔗

Yes, I’m sure you are correct about denial of mortality. One of the goals of living should be coming to terms with dying, imo.

286894 ▶▶ calchas, replying to Liam, 11, #935 of 1418 🔗

Absolutely agree.

The irony is that they are so scared of death, that they are ready to give up living.

That is their right, but they have no right to drag us down to their level.

Speaking for myself, since this nonsense started I have greater and greater acceptance of death.

If it comes tomorrow or next week, then at least it takes me away from this shit.

Bit then, I am already 58 and have had a great life. I can’t complain.

Not that I want to go. I am determined to witness our victory.

286962 ▶▶▶ annie, replying to calchas, 3, #936 of 1418 🔗

Live ecpvery day to the utmost.
The Covid fanatics who rule us simply love death. The best answer to that is to live life.

287001 ▶▶▶ G.Fawkes, replying to calchas, 2, #937 of 1418 🔗

The irony is that they are so scared of death, that they are ready to give up living.”

Beautifully put. That’s exactly it.

286943 ▶▶ richard riewer, replying to Liam, -1, #938 of 1418 🔗

,,, ‘a morbidly obese alcoholic’.

Do I detect a sly, virtue signalling, dig at the Queen of Soul?

286957 ▶▶▶ Liam, replying to richard riewer, 4, #939 of 1418 🔗

No. She was a great talent and I’m not remotely having a dig at her. I’m in absolutely no position to criticise anyone’s drinking habits! Simply pointing out that people get sick and die, and that’s how it is.

287224 ▶▶▶▶ richard riewer, replying to Liam, 1, #940 of 1418 🔗

Glad to hear it. Vive Aretha!

286954 ▶▶ TheBluePill, replying to Liam, 3, #941 of 1418 🔗

Agreed. I think death used to be somewhat less scary to the simple-minded who genuinely thought that they were going up to a cloud to meet sky-fairies and their loved ones. They simply cannot compute the idea that you completely cease to exist. Personally I find the idea of ceasing to exist quite comforting. I fear a slow demise to death but certainly don’t fear death.

I personally find all religion insane, but I am now beginning to think that the majority may actually need it to cope with living their lives.

286978 ▶▶ Tom in Scotland, replying to Liam, 3, #942 of 1418 🔗

Yes, I think this is a big part of the problem. I suspect part of this comes down to the infantilisation of people in the West, particularly younger ‘cotton wool’ generations. I run into this a lot as a university lecturer. The sensationalistic media (and social media) make it worse.

286991 ▶▶ G.Fawkes, replying to Liam, 2, #943 of 1418 🔗

Totally agree. And therefore, fear of death becomes the greatest manipulation tool. It is childish to pretend that reality will go away if you don’t think about it.

Still my favourite quote on the subject:

“To fear death, gentlemen, is no other than to think oneself wise when one is not, to think one knows what one does not know. No one knows whether death may not be the greatest of all blessings for a man, yet men fear it as if they knew that it is the greatest of evils.”

― Socrates (Plato)

287016 ▶▶ Old Normal, replying to Liam, 11, #944 of 1418 🔗

I had a friend who battled a horrible illness for many years and very sadly passed away a while back.

He told me many times he wasn’t scared of dying, despite being young.

He had faith that everything would work out for him in the next phase of his journey.

Every day, no matter if he was well or ill, he was so full of life and positivity.

I was thinking about him the other day and how he’d see things if he was still here. The answer is that he’d find happiness in everything he could do and not worry about what he couldn’t.

I’ve been struggling lately with all of this lockdown and vaccine stuff, but I’m going to do all I can to enjoy every day and be optimistic about this shitshow ending as soon as possible.

I can’t put my life on hold anymore where days turn into weeks, then months.

I am grateful to be here and I’m not scared of dying. I used to be, but I now believe this life is just one stop on a much bigger journey through time and space.

286883 EllGee, replying to EllGee, 28, #945 of 1418 🔗

It’s a sunny cold December day so went to get a Christmas tree. Easily a few hundred people at the large estate, meeting up with friends, walking the dogs, buying Christmas trees. Not a mask to be seen anywhere outside. People were talking, chatting, hugging, shaking hands, kissing. Exactly the same as last year. Normality is out there and, in some places, is exactly as it always has been

286892 ▶▶ Ceriain, replying to EllGee, 5, #946 of 1418 🔗

Normality is out there and, in some places

Agreed! In ‘some’ places.

286929 ▶▶▶ richard riewer, replying to Ceriain, 1, #947 of 1418 🔗

A semblance of the old normal in the new normal.

286895 ▶▶ Now More Than Ever, replying to EllGee, 1, #948 of 1418 🔗

Pleased to hear it wherever this is. I went to get one today from our local National Trust property which is selling them. Despite it being fully outdoors, all volunteers masked and I was the only unmasked customer. Also, they usually give out free mulled wine and mince pies to tree-buyers. Not this year.

286951 ▶▶▶ annie, replying to Now More Than Ever, 9, #949 of 1418 🔗

Don’t go NEAR the National U worthy of Trust.They are poisonous ☠️ collaborators.
Their trees are probably bugged snd will bleep if you are playing a board game over Christmas.

286995 ▶▶▶▶ Now More Than Ever, replying to annie, 2, #950 of 1418 🔗

I must admit I am very close to cancelling my membership over their attribute to the virus and all the other woke virtue signalling they engage in.

287146 ▶▶▶▶▶ annie, replying to Now More Than Ever, 1, #951 of 1418 🔗

I cancelled mine months ago.
And told them why, not politely.
And ripped down some of their cretinous one-way notices, which I’m happy to say were never replaced.

287140 ▶▶ Alethea, replying to EllGee, 1, #952 of 1418 🔗

I went to find out about getting a tree today and was advised by the tree seller to leave it outside for 24 hours to make it covidsafe.

287142 ▶▶▶ annie, replying to Alethea, 5, #953 of 1418 🔗

A man who took his tree inside
Breathed in, breathed out, and sadlidied.

287156 ▶▶▶▶ Ceriain, replying to annie, 2, #954 of 1418 🔗

sadlidied™

Fixed for you; you need to copyright that, annie.

Now, anyone else who uses it has to pay you. 😉

287166 ▶▶▶▶▶ Alethea, replying to Ceriain, 2, #955 of 1418 🔗

In the interests of transcendent truth, I must remark that I believe it was Northumbrian Nomad who originated the term; he/she noted that in a hundred years time, the verb to describe the act of leaving this life would have become ‘to sadlidie.’ But if any lexicographers are keen to establish the provenance of the term definitively, I believe this is one of the things made possible by Mabel Cow’s Panscepticon mirror site.

287186 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Ceriain, replying to Alethea, #956 of 1418 🔗

Thank you; I stand corrected. 😀

287281 ▶▶▶▶▶ CGL, replying to Ceriain, 2, #957 of 1418 🔗

Oh dear! I might owe a few quid

287162 ▶▶▶▶ Alethea, replying to annie, 1, #958 of 1418 🔗

I love it! I’m taking it as an Advent gift.

287250 ▶▶▶▶ A. Contrarian, replying to annie, 1, #959 of 1418 🔗

Not tragiclidied?

287151 ▶▶▶ dhid, replying to Alethea, 2, #960 of 1418 🔗

Just stick a mask on it – be fine…

287191 ▶▶▶ Ceriain, replying to Alethea, #961 of 1418 🔗

So where’s it been up till now? At home ‘self-isolating’? 😉

287197 ▶▶▶▶ Alethea, replying to Ceriain, 3, #962 of 1418 🔗

Well, at the moment it is Pure, because it is standing in Morrisons car park waiting to be chosen. But when I choose it, it will be wrapped in a net and then – if it turns out to be too heavy for me to carry home – transported in a minibus taxi for a good three or four minutes. Thus it will arrive chez moi Impure, and must be ritually cleansed by a period of shamefaced exclusion on the wrong side of the French windows. Truly, this whole madness just literalises people’s most primitive fears about bodily and domestic boundaries.

287289 ▶▶▶ Cheshirecatslave, replying to Alethea, 2, #963 of 1418 🔗

You couldn’t make this stuff up! Are they expecting you to kiss the tree or something?

286909 Mark, replying to Mark, 19, #964 of 1418 🔗

Woke nonsense – heartwarming to see there is still popular resistance in a few quarters despite years of indoctrination, but of course any dissent must be dealt with firmly:

Gary Lineker leads footballers condemning Millwall fans for BOOING their own players as they took the knee in support of anti-racism movement at The Den

The scenes have prompted reactions from pundits and former players including Trevor Sinclair, Gregg Halford and Gary Lineker, who told his Twitter followers the Millwall fans not booing were in the ‘minority’.
……
On Twitter, former Nottingham Forest and Cardiff footballer Greg Halford also criticised the fans, saying: ‘What am I seeing at the Millwall game.
‘The players take the knee and the 2000 fans are booing. The efl have to be strong and take serious action against this .”

It would be awful if anyone, anywhere were allowed to dissent from public assertions of elite ideological dogma. That must be crushed, at any expense or cost to the individuals concerned.

286918 ▶▶ Liam, replying to Mark, 7, #965 of 1418 🔗

“The EFL decided to allow individual players and teams in the Football League to make their own decision on whether to continue taking the knee”

That’s very magnanimous of them.

286925 ▶▶▶ richard riewer, replying to Liam, 16, #966 of 1418 🔗

What about the fans making their own decision to continue booing?

286919 ▶▶ Ceriain, replying to Mark, 9, #967 of 1418 🔗

Why do they find this so shocking? ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

This was predicted by a lot of people who said this was exactly what would happen when crowds were allowed back. It’s exactly what happened in the USA when crowds got back to watch NFL.

286930 ▶▶ mikewaite, replying to Mark, 6, #968 of 1418 🔗

Good luck on trying to crush a Millwall supporter
(says Charlton fan)

286932 ▶▶ G.Fawkes, replying to Mark, 19, #969 of 1418 🔗

It’s hilarious that the wokeists jump on the fans with accusations of not following their ideological dogma, and therefore being opposed to anti-racism, when in reality the fans just dislike sport being politicised. The wokeists are forever attacking strawmen and flinging shit, unaware of how absurd their shallow virtue signalling appears and how childish their simplistic understanding is to everyone else who sees straight through it.

As for Lineker, well, he’s just thick as pigshit.

286935 ▶▶ Ewan Duffy, replying to Mark, 6, #970 of 1418 🔗

The efl have to be strong and take serious action against this .””

The EFL have to tell their customers that they are wrong. It would not surprise me if the EFL are that stupid.

287002 ▶▶ dhid, replying to Mark, 5, #971 of 1418 🔗

Perhaps Lineker would like to meet (on his own) the Millwall supporters in a dark alley and attempt to tell them what he thinks of them.

Save the beeb – sorry people stupid enough to pay tv tax – a few quid on salaries afterwards….

287017 ▶▶ stefarm, replying to Mark, 2, #972 of 1418 🔗

I’m done with Millwall now, taking the knee is disgraceful.

287061 ▶▶ Tenchy, replying to Mark, 6, #973 of 1418 🔗

Excellent. I knew football fans wouldn’t take kindly to the abominable action.

287065 ▶▶ Biker, replying to Mark, 15, #974 of 1418 🔗

I’m disgusted by some of these Millwall fans. Imagine witnessing the players taking the knee and not booing, shameful.

287129 ▶▶▶ Borisbullshit, replying to Biker, 1, #975 of 1418 🔗

Too right lol.

287439 ▶▶ thinkaboutit, replying to Mark, #976 of 1418 🔗

A good counterploy would have been to sing the chorus of Rule Britannia. I believe it even mentions slaves.

286916 Liam, 4, #977 of 1418 🔗

I remember way back in the early days of this lunacy some lockdown nut on a forum I was reading rather self importantly replied to me that he “didn’t want to drown in his own lungs thank you.”

I asked him what exactly he thought respiratory failure was?

No answer of course.

286920 richard riewer, 2, #978 of 1418 🔗

Greta Thunberg: Slogan Slinger.

286922 Cheezilla, replying to Cheezilla, 2, #979 of 1418 🔗

Stephane Bancel, Moderna CEO saying it took two days to design their vaccine on a computer.

From Telegram Covid Red Pills
(Scroll up to locate) https://t.me/covidredpills

286944 ▶▶ calchas, replying to Cheezilla, 4, #980 of 1418 🔗

In ‘Paintbrush’ ?

Might knock one up myself before dinner

286923 Cecil B, replying to Cecil B, 26, #981 of 1418 🔗

Right under our noses and in full view of us all they stole our freedom

This has been in the planning for a long time

The majority of the population literally still don’t get it. Foolishly they thought the elites had their best interests at heart. They cannot believe or understand that such a thing could have been done to them

They live in hope that this is incompetence or a big mistake

They believe that sometime in the future they will get their freedom back. No chance

286933 ▶▶ godowneasy, replying to Cecil B, 9, #982 of 1418 🔗

Conned every step of the way – how long before they begin to realise this?

286937 ▶▶▶ kh1485, replying to godowneasy, 7, #983 of 1418 🔗

Sadly, it will be when their finances are affected.

286984 ▶▶▶▶ Bugle, replying to kh1485, 2, #984 of 1418 🔗

When it will be too late.

287012 ▶▶▶ stefarm, replying to godowneasy, #985 of 1418 🔗

Never, the power of mind control

286924 Bruce Reynolds, replying to Bruce Reynolds, 99, #986 of 1418 🔗

Just Fucked up the manager of my M and S store.. First time I’ve been stopped for not wearing a muzzle, but I always have a plan B, put one over my face after warning I was exempt,then proceeded to blackout into floral display taking the lot out as I went down the whole place came to a standstill talk about panic.. Manager now in the shit and not popular…looks like some Free vouchers and a written apology coming my way..

286926 ▶▶ dommo, replying to Bruce Reynolds, 11, #987 of 1418 🔗

nice one geezer!

286931 ▶▶ Ozzie, replying to Bruce Reynolds, 9, #988 of 1418 🔗

Was this a proper blackout or staged? I hope that you didn’t hurt yourself!

286938 ▶▶▶ calchas, replying to Ozzie, 2, #989 of 1418 🔗

Oh yes, sorry about the blackout.

You have had enough warning about those masks though.

286939 ▶▶▶ Bruce Reynolds, replying to Ozzie, 24, #990 of 1418 🔗

Completely staged as I say I always have a plan B and a nice thick Barbour jacket, gloves,and flat cap to break my fall.so far so good..

286967 ▶▶▶▶ arfurmo, replying to Bruce Reynolds, 3, #991 of 1418 🔗

Just the hope the manager doesn’t read this site

286972 ▶▶▶▶▶ dhid, replying to arfurmo, 11, #992 of 1418 🔗

The manager of an M&S who asks people about masks?
Fair bet he doesn’t hang out here!
Lol!

286977 ▶▶▶▶▶ Bruce Reynolds, replying to arfurmo, 7, #993 of 1418 🔗

And the manager of Iceland,and my local Newsagent.

286986 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Steve, replying to Bruce Reynolds, 3, #994 of 1418 🔗

‘And the manager of Iceland’

Who clearly doesn’t read company policy.

286969 ▶▶▶▶ William Hand, replying to Bruce Reynolds, 4, #995 of 1418 🔗

Brilliant! I can do that as well. We should all do it.

286983 ▶▶▶▶▶ Bruce Reynolds, replying to William Hand, 10, #996 of 1418 🔗

Absolutely they hate a disturbance in the shop bad publicity is a no no.

287421 ▶▶▶▶ Cody, replying to Bruce Reynolds, #997 of 1418 🔗

Ha ha hilarious. I’m all for resisting the ridiculous measures imposed on us but this is embarrassing. Just stand up and refuse to wear a mask.

286934 ▶▶ Winston Smith, replying to Bruce Reynolds, 13, #998 of 1418 🔗

Awesome 😁

286936 ▶▶ calchas, replying to Bruce Reynolds, 14, #999 of 1418 🔗

hahahahahahahahahahah

286940 ▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Bruce Reynolds, 7, #1000 of 1418 🔗

Naughty you. Well done!

286942 ▶▶ G.Fawkes, replying to Bruce Reynolds, 7, #1001 of 1418 🔗

Hahahaha! Well played.

286945 ▶▶ annie, replying to Bruce Reynolds, 6, #1002 of 1418 🔗

cheers!

286946 ▶▶ HelzBelz, replying to Bruce Reynolds, 5, #1003 of 1418 🔗

Brilliant! Love it!

286965 ▶▶ theanalyst, replying to Bruce Reynolds, 6, #1004 of 1418 🔗

Well done!

286976 ▶▶ dhid, replying to Bruce Reynolds, 5, #1005 of 1418 🔗

Brilliant!
Hope he literally crapped himself!

286996 ▶▶▶ Bruce Reynolds, replying to dhid, 13, #1006 of 1418 🔗

He was probably more worried about the floral display than me, can’t wait to visit again tomorrow!

287139 ▶▶▶▶ dhid, replying to Bruce Reynolds, 3, #1007 of 1418 🔗

Don’t forget your mask – just in case…

287009 ▶▶ stefarm, replying to Bruce Reynolds, 3, #1008 of 1418 🔗

AHH, Bruce, top man. Why didn’t they make a film of your life, better than buster. Although TBF Larry lamb done a decent job playing you.

287034 ▶▶▶ Bruce Reynolds, replying to stefarm, 5, #1009 of 1418 🔗

I look back on that robbery with fond memories I pissed of the government back in the 1960s and hopefully doing the same in 2020..

287119 ▶▶▶▶ stefarm, replying to Bruce Reynolds, 2, #1010 of 1418 🔗

Wonderful, fuck em

287011 ▶▶ Bella Donna, replying to Bruce Reynolds, 4, #1011 of 1418 🔗

😂 😂 😂 😂 . Next time can you please get someone to film it!

287036 ▶▶▶ Bruce Reynolds, replying to Bella Donna, 6, #1012 of 1418 🔗

Now that’s an idea..

287144 ▶▶▶▶ dhid, replying to Bruce Reynolds, 4, #1013 of 1418 🔗

Ask for any CCTV – for evidence… Lol!

287032 ▶▶ Lydia, replying to Bruce Reynolds, 4, #1014 of 1418 🔗

That’s brilliant! That’s made my shitty day a lot brighter.

287055 ▶▶ vargas99, replying to Bruce Reynolds, 4, #1015 of 1418 🔗

Excellent!

287117 ▶▶ Ben, replying to Bruce Reynolds, 2, #1016 of 1418 🔗

Do these mask zealots actually want people to pass out?

287133 ▶▶ Alethea, replying to Bruce Reynolds, 4, #1017 of 1418 🔗

I’m in awe. THIS is the definition of political theatre. Please, please do it again and film it. Make all our days.

287174 ▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to Bruce Reynolds, 3, #1018 of 1418 🔗

Bangers in the aisles next (the exploding kind, not the edible kind).

“Who did that?”

“Dunno, they were wearing a mask.”

287218 ▶▶ richard riewer, replying to Bruce Reynolds, 2, #1019 of 1418 🔗

Bravo!

287234 ▶▶ Sue, replying to Bruce Reynolds, 1, #1020 of 1418 🔗

you should have done it in the wine aisle – that would have been more spectacular!! 🙂
Good work for the cause Bruce (and you’re far braver than me!!! 🙂

287430 ▶▶▶ Bruce Reynolds, replying to Sue, #1021 of 1418 🔗

Mmmmm the wine aisle now there’s a thought!

286927 Ozzie, 19, #1022 of 1418 🔗

Just spoken to my daughter who works in a pub in a tier 2 area. Substantial meal is being loosely interpreted (a bowl of chips will do). No hassling people to leave when they have stopped eating – the only difference is table service instead of going to the bar, but she says people are spending more because of this.

Also mentioned that the weekend was likely to see lots of people coming into the area from tier 3 areas for an evening out.

Good to hear that people and businesses voting with their feet – hurrah!

286928 Cheezilla, replying to Cheezilla, 2, #1023 of 1418 🔗

I think this is B’ham about 16.45!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KvFEcRGJpWQ

286956 ▶▶ anon, replying to Cheezilla, 2, #1024 of 1418 🔗

France no?

286966 ▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to anon, 1, #1025 of 1418 🔗

I did wonder.
It was on Subject Access and he was in Birmingham at lunchtime …..

286988 ▶▶▶▶ Hieronimusb, replying to Cheezilla, 2, #1026 of 1418 🔗

He allows a French guy to use his channel. Very possibly Toulouse. Go France, Vive La Patrie!

286998 ▶▶▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Hieronimusb, #1027 of 1418 🔗

Thanks for that!

It would be helpful for them to say what’s going on where – and the time of the filming would be useful too.

I tried to see if the shops were French but it wasn’t clear enough. The man who spoke from behind the nappy just sounded like a load of mumble – but for me that’s always the case with the bemuzzled.

287069 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Hieronimusb, replying to Cheezilla, #1028 of 1418 🔗

Definitely France, OpticDuRoc etc. The details which would assist identification probably missing in action, tant pis.

286979 ▶▶▶ Ceriain, replying to anon, #1029 of 1418 🔗

Yes; signs are in French.

287022 ▶▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Ceriain, 1, #1030 of 1418 🔗

Thanks.

286981 ▶▶ Tyneside Tigress, replying to Cheezilla, 1, #1031 of 1418 🔗

Cheez, I think the Bouygues sign implies Paris/France not anywhere in the UK.

287021 ▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Tyneside Tigress, 1, #1032 of 1418 🔗

Well I did get a reminder from my optician several weeks ago. 😉
Haven’t been to France for nearly 30 years and I have no need to frequent UK cities.
I did think the street looked like everywhere else nowadays, especially after seeing the Primark.

287006 ▶▶ Bella Donna, replying to Cheezilla, 1, #1033 of 1418 🔗

If you listen to the voices they are French!

287037 ▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Bella Donna, 1, #1034 of 1418 🔗

I can’t make out bemuzzled voices. Sign of old age I’m afraid.
I did watch it several times and thought he must still be in B’ham from this morning.

Can’t find any up to date UK reports.

287135 ▶▶▶ dhid, replying to Bella Donna, 1, #1035 of 1418 🔗

Ah could be my High St. on the south coast of England then…

287131 ▶▶ AN other lockdown sceptic, replying to Cheezilla, 1, #1036 of 1418 🔗

Already deleted …. (18:57)

286941 Ceriain, replying to Ceriain, 8, #1037 of 1418 🔗

I can see it; can you see it?

The Government/SAGE/PHE/NHS are all a bunch of flimflam merchants! 🙁

286985 ▶▶ A. Contrarian, replying to Ceriain, 3, #1038 of 1418 🔗

Ah, but they didn’t need to test as many people you see, because not as many people are ill now because of lockdown. There’s always an answer for everything…

287048 ▶▶▶ Ceriain, replying to A. Contrarian, 2, #1039 of 1418 🔗

That’s exactly what I expect their answer would be.

However, I expect the ‘real’ conversation went like this:

“Guys, we need to get the ‘cases’ figures down to prove lockdown works; what do we do?”
“We could post the real numbers; you know, the truth.”
“You, OUT! Anyone else?”
“Well, we could stop testing as many people. We got the numbers UP to make the lockdown case by testing more; why not just go the other way this time?”
“Won’t the public notice?”
“Don’t be daft; we’ve got them exactly where we want them, begging for the vaccine.”
“Okay, go for it!”

286971 A. Contrarian, replying to A. Contrarian, 4, #1040 of 1418 🔗

Appalling propaganda in my local paper last week. The Chief Exec. of the MHRA believes that if you’re vaccinated you are less likely to spread the virus. Not sure where she’s got that from. They also state that the trials have had the same number of participants as you would expect in “peace time”. Is that even true? No mention of long term safety of course since even they can’t spin 8 months into a long term study.

Sorry if the text isn’t very clear, my phone isn’t great for taking photos like this, but you’ll get the gist.

286975 ▶▶ Ceriain, replying to A. Contrarian, 6, #1041 of 1418 🔗

Propaganda! At the top of the page:

Produced in association with the UK Government.

286982 ▶▶▶ A. Contrarian, replying to Ceriain, 7, #1042 of 1418 🔗

I know – look how many tractors we’ve made this week!

287164 ▶▶▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to A. Contrarian, 2, #1043 of 1418 🔗

Minimum wage has been increased from £8.50ph to £3.50ph

287165 ▶▶▶▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to Nick Rose, 2, #1044 of 1418 🔗

Chocolate ration has been increased to 15 grammes pw from 35 grammes pw

287287 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Two-Six, replying to Nick Rose, 3, #1045 of 1418 🔗

++Good!

286980 ▶▶ A. Contrarian, replying to A. Contrarian, 3, #1046 of 1418 🔗

And according to the random chap at the bottom right, if the vaccine is “as effective as total lockdown” then we might not even need so many social distancing measures any more (not zero social distancing measures of course – but definitely probably less, so great news!).

If you treasure your granny you will get this vaccine, is that clear?

286989 ▶▶▶ Ceriain, replying to A. Contrarian, 2, #1047 of 1418 🔗

Laughed at ‘random chap’. Thank you. 🙂

287007 ▶▶▶ RickH, replying to A. Contrarian, 3, #1048 of 1418 🔗

Well – if it’s ‘as effective as total lockdown’ then it’s f. all use!

287015 ▶▶▶ Fiona Walker, replying to A. Contrarian, 3, #1049 of 1418 🔗

Can those of us who don’t have grannies claim an exemption?

286994 ▶▶ Bella Donna, replying to A. Contrarian, #1050 of 1418 🔗

It’s all crap as the article in UK Column about the vaccine explains.

286974 Basileus, 6, #1051 of 1418 🔗

Someone posted this a few weeks ago. Perhaps it is timely to post it again. With acknowledgement to Winston Churchill.

The government know that they will have to break us in this island or lose the war.
If we can stand up to them all Europe may be free, and the life of the world may move forward into broad, sunlit uplands; but if we fail then the whole world, including the United States, and all that we have known and cared for, will sink into the abyss of a new dark age made more sinister, and perhaps more prolonged, by the lights of a perverted science.

Let us therefore brace ourselves to our duty and so bear ourselves that if the British Commonwealth and Empire lasts for a thousand years men will still say, ‘this was their finest hour’.

286987 Bella Donna, replying to Bella Donna, 3, #1052 of 1418 🔗

Brilliant article on the vaccine in UK Column

https://www.ukcolumn.org/ukcolumn-news/uk-column-news-4th-december-2020

A must read and share share share.

287000 ▶▶ Jo, replying to Bella Donna, #1053 of 1418 🔗

Great minds…..just posted – thanks for the link, which I didn’t post.

286992 kh1485, replying to kh1485, 33, #1054 of 1418 🔗

Haven’t done a despatches from the High St. for a while so here’s today’s:

The mask thing really is affecting people’s ability to think for themselves. Jeez, I wish I had a quid for every time someone said “can we come in?” I’m afraid I now give a kind of look that says “well, how else are you going to get served?” Or, when I’m feeling really pissed off (an increasing occurence these days), it’s “oh, for god’s sake just grow a pair and come in” kind of look. When are these idiots going to free themselves from their bloody shackles and stop being refugees of their own liberty (I know, I know, when the ruddy government tells them).

And even when they have done the scardey look thing to see if the shop is ‘safe’, the lack of thinking doesn’t end there. Today, one punter: “what do you do?”. I mean, maybe we are getting it wrong but I am convinced most cafes have this ingenious idea whereby they have this cardboard thing on the table with a list of stuff on it. I think it’s fairly universal, in fact, I think I have seen this system used in every restaurant/cafe I have ever been in. I don’t think I’ve ever been anywhere where I have expected a detailed desription of every single item that is for sale. And despite looking at this thing called A. MENU, he asked “do you do a decaf’ cappuccino?”. I felt like yelling out “have we got any of that Gold Blend decaf’ available?” because we clearly look like it would be beyond our scope to have something so ‘out there’ as a decaf’ cappuccino.

Sorry for the rant, but these buggers really get on my t*ts. Anyway, as I was bringing in the flower troughs in, a few masked zombies felt the full force of my ire (they also do that shuffling thing and just get.in.the.bloody.way). I just said “For god’s sake take your bloody masks off” Earned me a few dirty looks from a couple of Howard and Hilda types but I don’t give a stuff.

287018 ▶▶ Liam, replying to kh1485, 5, #1055 of 1418 🔗

You’re a star.

287038 ▶▶ TheOriginalBlackPudding, replying to kh1485, 3, #1056 of 1418 🔗

Phew! I bet you feel better for that.
And I promise that when I come to SW, my only question will be whether you serve black puddings. 🙂

287057 ▶▶▶ kh1485, replying to TheOriginalBlackPudding, 9, #1057 of 1418 🔗

Ooops, sorry, shouldn’t have mouthed off so much but these masked-up types really hack me off. Usual caveat applies, very grateful to my regular customers and especially the ones with pooches especially the adorable Mambo (think Scooby Doo!).

287067 ▶▶▶▶ TheOriginalBlackPudding, replying to kh1485, 5, #1058 of 1418 🔗

No apology needed, kh. Feel free – you’re among like-minded people here.
I’m sure you’ve not offended anyone here (apart perhaps from the odd 77th snowflake or something).

287041 ▶▶ bluemoon, replying to kh1485, 3, #1059 of 1418 🔗

Go girl!

287042 ▶▶ annie, replying to kh1485, 3, #1060 of 1418 🔗

Get those fighting hackles up, kh! We’re backing you all the way!

287052 ▶▶ Paul, replying to kh1485, 5, #1061 of 1418 🔗

I can’t stop myself from shouting at muzzled up morons out in the street either,I used to think it but now I shout it,the silly muzzled up cow on a bike who nearly knocked me down on a narrow footpath in the town centre received an extra shouting at !.

287104 ▶▶▶ kh1485, replying to Paul, 1, #1062 of 1418 🔗

And don’t they look so bloody miserable (mind you, if I was muzzled, I’d look miserable aswell). But they look so sinister, with their beady little eyes peering out at you.

287211 ▶▶▶ richard riewer, replying to Paul, 1, #1063 of 1418 🔗

Shout shout let it all out …

287063 ▶▶ dommo, replying to kh1485, 2, #1064 of 1418 🔗

haha! howard and hilda – i wonder how many get that reference!

287066 ▶▶ Banjones, replying to kh1485, 3, #1065 of 1418 🔗

As I said above – do stride out, confidently and muzzle-free. Beam at people, engage them in conversation when you can. Some are genuinely afraid, so muzzles make them feel better – that’s okay. But the others should be reminded that there IS another way. The way it used to be.

287099 ▶▶▶ kh1485, replying to Banjones, 4, #1066 of 1418 🔗

I think you can ascertain who the “genuinely afraid” are and I wouldn’t dream of having a go at them. It’s the serially up their own backsides I can’t stand. I have to say though that most of my elderly customers (the ones who everyone expects to be afraid) think it’s a load of old nonsense and just want their lives back. Plus, as you mentioned in your great post above, they actually relish a bit of subterfuge!

287209 ▶▶ richard riewer, replying to kh1485, #1067 of 1418 🔗

They’re going brain dead. Oxygen toxicity.

287476 ▶▶ ajb97b, replying to kh1485, #1068 of 1418 🔗

What town is your “High Street” coffee shop in? You’ll definitely be getting my custom if not to far away

286993 SionnachAirgid, replying to SionnachAirgid, 23, #1069 of 1418 🔗

Two-yearly eye test/check-up at Specsavers in Truro this afternoon (more of which later). The first time I’d been into town on a Saturday afternoon since the mask mandate, so as the council car parks are free at the moment, I went in early to take a wander round. Considering it’s coming up to Christmas, it was quieter than I’d expect on a typical B.C. Saturday. Mask wearing on the street was about 1 in 10, but total and absolute 100% compliance in the shops – I literally did not see one bare face. Truro has a number of small/independent coffee shop/eateries, all of which were completely empty, the staff all with expressions of boredom or quiet desperation. If they aren’t taking money now, I can’t see them lasting long into the new year.

On to Specsavers, and just inside the entrance now is a reception kiosk (I was tempted to ask for an ice cream). Took my details, invited me to use the hand san (I hadn’t removed my gloves at this point, oops), but no mention of a mask. I spent a couple of minutes in the socially-distanced waiting area (which was otherwise empty), then had my examination, chose some frames and sat down again in the waiting area. This time there are other people, all masked, and it’s like walking into the saloon bar, the pianist stops playing, it goes deathly silent, and everyone turns to look at you, mmm lovely. I’m then called through to sit with an assistant for a fitting. At this point, bearing in mind I’ve been in the store for 45 minutes, I’m asked if I have a mask, to which I simply replied “no”. “Oh so you’re exempt then, sorry, it’s just that I have to ask in case one of the other customers complains about you”. “What, that actually happens?” “Yes, I’ afraid so”. To be fair she could not have been more pleasant or helpful, and the fact that she has to do this as part of her job now is just one more tiny facet of the shit-show that’s eroding every last bit of joy and humanity from our lives. Overall the afternoon was a sombre and discomforting experience. I can’t see me going back to the high street again for the foreseeable future, by which point I wouldn’t be surprised if it’s unrecognisable.

287028 ▶▶ Banjones, replying to SionnachAirgid, 4, #1070 of 1418 🔗

”…council car parks are free at the moment…”
Oh wow! I wrote to our council to suggest that if they made car parks free for just an hour, perhaps, they might get a lot more people using the High Street (after they’d been complaining of lack of footfall…)
Answer: Compu’ah sez no.

287045 ▶▶▶ kh1485, replying to Banjones, 1, #1071 of 1418 🔗

Our council always announces – as though they are being hugely magnanimous – that there will be free car parking on the Monday before Christmas after 3 p.m!

287153 ▶▶▶▶ davews, replying to kh1485, #1072 of 1418 🔗

Our council has made car parks free after 3pm up to Christmas. As it happens town is a very walkable distance, not that I need to go there very often at the moment.

287046 ▶▶▶ Steve, replying to Banjones, #1073 of 1418 🔗

The town of Chorley where I live has had free parking for years now precisely for this reason. Don’t know if it works or not but it always seems to be busy in town.

287051 ▶▶▶ dhid, replying to Banjones, 1, #1074 of 1418 🔗

A Talk Radio reporter got a parking ticket on his car as he was talking on-air this morning and showing that the High St. in a tier 3 area was utterly dead.

Must have been causing a hold-up!

I really cannot imagine what sort of POS wants to do a job like that.

Edit – the Parking Nazi obviously – not the reporter…

287059 ▶▶▶▶ Ewan Duffy, replying to dhid, 4, #1075 of 1418 🔗

The same types of POS who will be a Corona Marshall.

287155 ▶▶▶ SionnachAirgid, replying to Banjones, #1076 of 1418 🔗

Honestly, I don’t think it’s made a huge difference here

287030 ▶▶ bluemoon, replying to SionnachAirgid, 3, #1077 of 1418 🔗

Thanks for the update re. Truro – I’m planning a visit to the big city next week and I’m not looking forward to it. People have told me it’s dead or said well it’s not too bad, and that the atmosphere has gone. A description repeated across the UK of course but I like shopping in Truro – or did – and was hoping against hope…. oh well.

287043 ▶▶▶ Banjones, replying to bluemoon, 17, #1078 of 1418 🔗

Stride out muzzle-free! I’m a great believer that, if we sow just one seed, it might make a difference. I beam toothily and enthusiastically at everyone, maskless, and hope that just one might think ”Yes, that’s nice!”
(And I do have better teeth than Michael Gove or Boris Johnson, I may add.)

(I take an elderly lady (90+) shopping. She is asthmatic and I’ve persuaded her that if a mask makes her feel ill, she shouldn’t wear one. So now she doesn’t. We’ve also decided that she is ”deaf” so that we can pretend she has to lipread! It makes her feel better, and rather ”naughty”! Brill.)

287109 ▶▶▶▶ bluemoon, replying to Banjones, 5, #1079 of 1418 🔗

I’m sure your toothy grin has gained you many admirers!
I have never worn a muzzle and never will, and give everyone a cheerful good morning or a smile.
How lovely for your 90+ friend! I’ve tried to explain to my elderly friends that they don’t have to wear a mask, there are many exemptions, given out a few exemption badges too but they won’t use them because they’re scared.
Sadly I don’t seem to know any intelligent, reasoning, functioning human beings.

287150 ▶▶▶ SionnachAirgid, replying to bluemoon, #1080 of 1418 🔗

Likewise, I used to really enjoy popping into Truro on a Saturday, not any more

287040 ▶▶ annie, replying to SionnachAirgid, 2, #1081 of 1418 🔗

Sad,ply, sceptics will always feel happier away from the hell of Covvietown centres. But we do need to show our real, human faces there occasionally.

287068 ▶▶ Paul, replying to SionnachAirgid, 2, #1082 of 1418 🔗

The only time I venture into my town centre now is to collect medication from the pharmacy,none of the staff in there wears a mask and they actually treat customers normally.

287132 ▶▶▶ dhid, replying to Paul, 1, #1083 of 1418 🔗

They obviously didn’t get the memo!

287214 ▶▶ richard riewer, replying to SionnachAirgid, 1, #1084 of 1418 🔗

Killing the High Street is part of the Global Action Plan.

286997 Jo, replying to Jo, 7, #1085 of 1418 🔗

Sorry if already posted about, but did anyone else watch the UK column thing yesterday about vaccines? Apart from digging up some useful (and mainstream) dirt on the MHRA, it did the bit about Hancock’s “relative” who died “of Covid” and also showed the Piers Morgan inviting Hancock to have the vaccine on TV live with him. Maybe it was just wishful thinking, but the look on Hancock’s face made me roar with laughter. Talk about being cornered.

287008 ▶▶ Fruitbat, replying to Jo, 1, #1086 of 1418 🔗

Yes, yesterday’s episode was a really good one. Am bookmarking that one to forward to others.

287013 ▶▶▶ Banjones, replying to Fruitbat, 1, #1087 of 1418 🔗

Do share it here! It saves searching for it!

287207 ▶▶▶ richard riewer, replying to Fruitbat, #1088 of 1418 🔗

Now that’s Reality TV!

287050 ▶▶ calchas, replying to Jo, 1, #1089 of 1418 🔗

Less than enthusiastic.

287054 ▶▶ Bella Donna, replying to Jo, 1, #1090 of 1418 🔗

Watched it 10 minutes ago. I’ve been posting the Iink to the website. Everyone should watch it.

287112 ▶▶ John Kay, replying to Jo, #1091 of 1418 🔗

Bozo, Handjob, or Piss Morgan having the devil’s jizz injected on TV is absolute guff. Take a wild guess what they will be injected with 1) the genuine Pfizer mRNA shite or 2) a saline solution…..?

287152 ▶▶▶ Jo, replying to John Kay, 1, #1092 of 1418 🔗

I know, there is no way Wanco would have it, but I think Piers M might, he is stupid enough. It was just the look on Wanco’s face that got me.

287003 dommo, replying to dommo, 3, #1093 of 1418 🔗

lovely bit of common sense here from usa plod (except for the “wear your mask” bit!)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PvvRme0h2oY&feature=youtu.be

can you see west midlands police coming out with something similar…?

287020 ▶▶ Ceriain, replying to dommo, 2, #1094 of 1418 🔗

Good video, thanks for posting. 🙂

Seems like a decent bloke (apart from the mask bit, as you said).

287019 Nick Rose, 24, #1095 of 1418 🔗

https://twitter.com/Strangis2020/status/1335251800270786560

What is wrong with the population of this country? Surely it’s not just me who can see that this whole covid shitstorm is a crock.

I’m in the NHS, right at the centre of of it and even I’m not buying this shit.

287023 First Minister of Bubbledom, replying to First Minister of Bubbledom, 18, #1096 of 1418 🔗

I made an arguably illegal (!?!?) trip across the Scotland/England border to visit my parents (in their 70s) a few days ago. Lovely to see them but looking forward to escaping tomorrow. At this moment I’m on lockdownsceptics.org and playing christmas jazz songs through earphones trying to block out ‘covid covid covid’ as they willingly submit themselves to the propaganda of the MSM. At least they finally let me make the 5 hour journey to visit lest I inadvertently bring about their demise. I live in a small village (mostly populated by true believers sadly) in the mountains, today I was driving through my hometown in bemusement at the amount of adult persons wandering round fully muzzled in the open air. I give up!!

287044 ▶▶ Bella Donna, replying to First Minister of Bubbledom, 6, #1097 of 1418 🔗

My local town was full of muzzled zealots today.

287053 ▶▶ Hieronimusb, replying to First Minister of Bubbledom, 10, #1098 of 1418 🔗

Despite the assault on your sanity and convictions, don’t give up. Don’t ever, ever give up! Not even rhetorically! They are misinformed, frightened, and are not behaving rationally, no matter how things might look.

287148 ▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to First Minister of Bubbledom, 1, #1099 of 1418 🔗

Was stared at wide-eyed by the other two customers in the local chippy this evening. They may have been open-mouthed as well, but they were muzzled. The staff didn’t bat an eyelid.

287035 annie, 4, #1100 of 1418 🔗

The ever excelkent Archdeacon of Hastings speaks up for carols.

https://www.conservativewoman.co.uk/we-need-to-sing-hymns-and-carols-virus-or-not/

287039 Bella Donna, 22, #1101 of 1418 🔗

I don’t know how we can get the fact out there that there is a chance wives daughters and female grandchildren could become sterile as a result of this vaccine. The government are psychopaths!

287070 ▶▶ Ceriain, replying to annie, 3, #1103 of 1418 🔗

God, no. Can’t possibly allow kids that young to make that kind of decision.

287149 ▶▶▶ p02099003, replying to Ceriain, 1, #1104 of 1418 🔗

In this country if the child is able to understand the information, the risks and benefits etc then it is possible that the child has Gillick competency and therefore can accept or decline the treatment. When I worked in paeds ED a child over the age of eleven could be seen by a clinician without their parents being present.

287217 ▶▶▶▶ Ceriain, replying to p02099003, 1, #1105 of 1418 🔗

The issue with Gillick is that the child has to ‘ fully ‘ understand. That would be a real issue for most parents and, I imagine, most doctors.

287428 ▶▶▶ Stringfellow Hawke, replying to Ceriain, 1, #1106 of 1418 🔗

A ‘Scientist’ in California wanted 2 year olds (yep) to determine their own gender fluidity.

287475 ▶▶▶▶ Ceriain, replying to Stringfellow Hawke, #1107 of 1418 🔗

I sat here looking at an empty ‘Reply’ box because I couldn’t find the words to comment on this.

287056 Ross Hendry, replying to Ross Hendry, 6, #1108 of 1418 🔗

Watch Fox News cut off Prof. Bhakdi when he began voicing intolerably expert views. Plus ça change, plus c’est la même chose…

https://youtu.be/RZDr3CsfolA

287105 ▶▶ calchas, replying to Ross Hendry, 6, #1109 of 1418 🔗

“You will go to your doom” if you get vaccinated says Professor Bhakdi.

287125 ▶▶▶ Ceriain, replying to calchas, 3, #1110 of 1418 🔗

Wow! Don’t mince your words, Doc; tell us what you really think.

287143 ▶▶▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to Ceriain, 1, #1111 of 1418 🔗

It’s not like you get very many words out of him to begin with, lol

287203 ▶▶▶▶▶ richard riewer, replying to Nick Rose, 3, #1112 of 1418 🔗

Go to your doom is good enough for me.

287058 p02099003, replying to p02099003, 5, #1113 of 1418 🔗

They are still pushing the asymptomatic virus spread.

287138 ▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to p02099003, 2, #1114 of 1418 🔗

They need it to keep the collapsing narrative going.

287202 ▶▶▶ richard riewer, replying to Nick Rose, 1, #1115 of 1418 🔗

That’s because they are anal retentive.

287060 Mark, replying to Mark, 13, #1116 of 1418 🔗

Real fightback finally beginning on the decades long retreat of freedom of speech in the US sphere? Here is a concrete proposal from the Adam Smith Institute for a plan of action, which has been endorsed by Lawrence Fox’s Reclaim Party. This is directly relevant to Toby’s FSU work, but should also be supported by lockdown sceptics generally, as restriction of dissent has been one of the weapons used by the regime against scepticism.

The amendments to preexisting Acts, which are the legal pretexts already routinely abused to assault dissenting speech in this country, are as important as the proposed Free Speech Act itself. The latter is at least a start – we also need some clear instructions concerning ending the misrepresentation of personal “offence” as somehow actionable, and prohibition on self serving claims to “feeling threatened” by mere abstract words (or “humiliated and degraded” as the manipulative female teacher in the Eton sage was enabled to claim, in order to silence words she disliked, as described above the line under And Finally today).

The paper called out government shenanigans with freedom of expression and proposed for five concrete policy changes:

  1. Removing the words “abusive” and “insulting” from the Public Order Act 1986.
  2. Limiting the scope of Section 127 of the Communications Act 2003 to threatening language only.
  3. Replacing the harassment component of Section 127 of the Communications Act 2003 and the Malicious Communications Act with a harassment/cyberstalking statute similar to 18 U.S. Code § 2261A, with its higher thresholds for criminal conduct as a replacement.
  4. Repealing the Malicious Communications Act 1988.
  5. Enacting the UK Free Speech Act.

UK FREE SPEECH ACT [2021]

An Act to secure the free and open flow of information and ideas for the people of the United Kingdom.
Be it enacted by the Queen’s most Excellent Majesty, by and with the advice and consent of the Lords Spiritual and Temporal, and Commons, in this present Parliament assembled, and by the authority of the same, as follows:—
SECTION 1.    FREEDOM OF SPEECH
(1)   The right of any person, and of the people, to freedom of speech shall not be violated by the state.
(2)   Freedom of speech encompasses but is not limited to the right to engage in spoken or written expression of any idea pertaining to any matter of public interest, morality, philosophy, or politics, which is not a threat or direct incitement.
(3)   “Direct incitement” means speech or writing which is directed towards inciting or producing imminent lawless action and is likely to incite or produce such action.
(4)   Schedule 1, Part I, Article 10 of the Human Rights Act 1998 is hereby repealed.

More discussion here:

DRAFT TEXT OF THE THE UNITED KINGDOM FREE SPEECH ACT

287199 ▶▶ richard riewer, replying to Mark, #1117 of 1418 🔗

Maggie Thatcher was often abusive and insulting.

287268 ▶▶▶ Biker, replying to richard riewer, #1118 of 1418 🔗

she was also hot as fuck and had a great understanding of Mises and Friedmen

287064 Tom Blackburn, replying to Tom Blackburn, 7, #1119 of 1418 🔗

https://twitter.com/Kees71234/status/1335273245285691393?s=20

Decent turnout in Brum. Less said about the bedwetters the better

287089 ▶▶ Chris John, replying to Tom Blackburn, 2, #1120 of 1418 🔗

My useless fanny MP abstains usually

287168 ▶▶ Lockdown_Lunacy, replying to Tom Blackburn, 12, #1121 of 1418 🔗

So the two women in that video abusing the protestors oppose them because they believe there’s a deadly virus out there than can be caught during human contact. What do they do? They go out and stand by a large crowd of people in a city centre.

The idiocy of 2020 summed up. A lot of pro lockdowners have forgotten why they support this.

287196 ▶▶▶ richard riewer, replying to Lockdown_Lunacy, #1122 of 1418 🔗

And shout in people’s faces.

287413 ▶▶▶ Cranmer, replying to Lockdown_Lunacy, #1123 of 1418 🔗

‘It’s the new normal, innit. Them’s just the rules, innit. Dunno why but we just gotta obey them then maybe we’ll get things back to the old normal, though to be honest I don’t really remember what that was, so maybe it don’t matter.’

287073 Cheezilla, replying to Cheezilla, 1, #1124 of 1418 🔗

David Warburton’s voting record makes for interesting reading:

https://www.theyworkforyou.com/mp/25372/david_warburton/somerton_and_frome/votes

287096 ▶▶ Tenchy, replying to Cheezilla, #1125 of 1418 🔗

Personally, I vehemently oppose some of what he stands for, and vehemently support others. Is there something we should be paying attention to? I couldn’t see anything specific about the Wuhan lab flu (sorry if I missed it).

287126 ▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Tenchy, 2, #1126 of 1418 🔗

I didn’t flag him up for that – and it only covers up to last year. People were rightly enthusing about his excellent letter, so I thought it a good idea to get an idea of his overall beliefs and stance.

I’d like to think that whatever his covid views have been in the past, the ones in the letter are where he stands now.

287160 ▶▶▶▶ Tenchy, replying to Cheezilla, 1, #1127 of 1418 🔗

Okay, thanks.

287079 Nick Rose, replying to Nick Rose, 2, #1128 of 1418 🔗

This may be a bit tin-foil hat, especially as I’ve not checked any of the links, nor done any digging on it, but I think this is important enough to bring to your attention now:

https://twitter.com/GeodanNew/status/1335230099969495041

1) From another platform: I am a GP and am utterly dismayed by the handling of the Covid response by the Government and the sacred cow we call the NHS.

Currently CCGs up and down the country are scrambling to get the vaccination program rolled out.

A thread of twelve posts.

287095 ▶▶ Ceriain, replying to Nick Rose, 2, #1129 of 1418 🔗

Nick, it’s today’s article above the line they are quoting.

287134 ▶▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to Ceriain, 1, #1130 of 1418 🔗

😳

287145 ▶▶▶▶ Ceriain, replying to Nick Rose, #1131 of 1418 🔗

😉

287082 Tom Blackburn, replying to Tom Blackburn, 5, #1132 of 1418 🔗

The New York Times: Is ‘Natural Immunity’ From Covid Better Than a Vaccine?.
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/12/05/health/covid-natural-immunity.html

287106 ▶▶ wendy, replying to Tom Blackburn, 2, #1133 of 1418 🔗

Blimey that seems a brave article.

287123 ▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Tom Blackburn, #1134 of 1418 🔗

Paywall.

287083 Chris John, replying to Chris John, 22, #1135 of 1418 🔗

My brief letter to my Massive Pervert:

Dear Mr Russell-Moyle,

Oh dear, so once again you have hidden yourself away from the job you were voted in to do.
Your behaviour in abstaining from a very important vote is a massive kick in the mouth to your constituents. Naturally it is exactly what I expect of Labour, only in it for your time at the trough!

Perhaps now it is time. Time for you to put your constituents first. I expect you to contribute to the debate and vote on the matter concerning the proposal for compulsory vaccination.

You need to keep in your head the Nuremberg Code, with a link attached here: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nuremberg_Code

Please also ask the following two questions of the Vaccine tsar Mr Sharma MP and the Health Secretary Mr Handcock MP these two questions:
1. Does the vaccine contain MRC-5?
2. Is there a possibility of LATROGENIC reaction?

If the answer is yes to either of these questions then you should know that by voting for compulsory vaccination or even worse, abstaining, you will be putting the lives of your constituents in mortal danger.

If anyone suffers from an adverse reaction to this vaccine, the entirety of Westminster will be held responsible. And if this leads to a point where there is an enquiry into how things went so bad in 2020, the Nuremberg Defense will not protect any MP.

You are being watched and you will be judged on your actions.
Yours sincerely,

I expect more bullshit and waffle should he respond. Weapons Grade front Bottom.

Fuck I’m angry, we have no way to get us acknowledged by those bastards.

287111 ▶▶ IanE, replying to Chris John, 6, #1136 of 1418 🔗

Yes, it is the powerlessness in the face of extreme corruption, idiocy and ignoring of the facts that is so hard to bear. Cassandra’s fate, squared!

287141 ▶▶ Borisbullshit, replying to Chris John, 1, #1137 of 1418 🔗

That scum bag MP made a hilarious speech at his election victory…he went full on psycho!

287085 Will, replying to Will, #1138 of 1418 🔗

What are the scores on the doors today?

287088 ▶▶ Tom Blackburn, replying to Will, 2, #1139 of 1418 🔗

Cods 0-1 Blackpool

287090 ▶▶ Ceriain, replying to Will, 5, #1140 of 1418 🔗

No cases; no deaths.

Pandemic is over! Rejoice!

287092 ▶▶▶ Will, replying to Ceriain, 6, #1141 of 1418 🔗

Probably a lot closer to the truth than any PHE update…

287091 Danny, replying to Danny, 18, #1142 of 1418 🔗

How about this for Kafka-esque. A fellow teacher at work woke up with a high temperature so called his HR manager (I know, why?) to ask what to do.
He was told he must not come to work, and that he must get tested.
So he booked a test (I know I know) and it came back negative so he returned to work.
In all he had I think 3 days off.
It was then explained to him that although Covid would not count towards his quota of sick days, because he tested negative, it would because he doesn’t have Covid!
This is genius. So if for example somebody has had lots of time off that year, a broken leg, maybe a bereavement, maybe mental health problems and is close to disciplinary action for time off, then gets a temperature, they have to say “God, I really hope it’s Covid, or I’m in real trouble!”

287094 ▶▶ Liz F, replying to Danny, 3, #1143 of 1418 🔗

Ffs, who makes up these rules? Popeye?

287228 ▶▶▶ Miss Owl, replying to Liz F, 2, #1144 of 1418 🔗

“Quota of sick days”? So you can claim a certain amount of sick days even though you are not, er, sick?

Must be a public sector thing.

287240 ▶▶ A. Contrarian, replying to Danny, #1145 of 1418 🔗

What would happen if TTT told him to self isolate for 14 days??

287093 Ben, replying to Ben, 10, #1146 of 1418 🔗

Should we should follow Covid rules the same way those who make the rules follow them?
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287103 ▶▶ wendy, replying to Ben, 23, #1147 of 1418 🔗

I think if we are wise we should stop following all COVID rules. I have just had a two friends round for tea. Both work for the NHS, both do not want a COVID vaccine.

287130 ▶▶▶ Will, replying to wendy, 5, #1148 of 1418 🔗

I would hazard a guess that that will be because they know they do not need a vaccine.

287258 ▶▶▶▶ wendy, replying to Will, 1, #1149 of 1418 🔗

neither felt they need it but more of their decision is fear of a rushed vaccine with coercion. Both will consider getting different jobs if forced.

287110 ▶▶ Ceriain, replying to Ben, 10, #1150 of 1418 🔗

And now for the rest of the evening I have to look at that ugly bastard’s face when scrolling through the posts. Thanks.

287118 ▶▶▶ dhid, replying to Ceriain, 4, #1151 of 1418 🔗

Yes his mug should be pixelated for the sake of preventing all computer devices having their screens smashed!

287121 ▶▶▶▶ Ceriain, replying to dhid, 1, #1152 of 1418 🔗

I’m okay now. I have the Ublock Origin add-on on my browser, and have made it go away. 😉

287272 ▶▶▶ Biker, replying to Ceriain, 1, #1153 of 1418 🔗

i don’t know what’s up with you but all i see is a hot pair of red lips

287113 ▶▶ stefarm, replying to Ben, 5, #1154 of 1418 🔗

It was all over on 5th may!

287128 ▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to Ben, 4, #1155 of 1418 🔗

Don’t follow them at all. Disobey, resist.

287187 ▶▶ Voz 0db, replying to Ben, 1, #1156 of 1418 🔗

That one is a good start for a nice Jedburgh’s action!

287260 ▶▶ DavidC, replying to Ben, #1157 of 1418 🔗

Ferguson always looks so humourless.

DavidC

287423 ▶▶▶ annie, replying to DavidC, #1158 of 1418 🔗

He bas to be. Otherwise he’d die laughing at his own absurdity.

287108 Cheezilla, replying to Cheezilla, 14, #1159 of 1418 🔗

Am I right in thinking that I can’t accept the vaccine because it would be impossible for me to give my informed consent?

287122 ▶▶ Hieronimusb, replying to Cheezilla, 7, #1160 of 1418 🔗

In reality, yes; in the altered reality of 2020, who knows. They’d have to shoot me first which would make it somewhat pointless, no matter what the ‘legal’ position.

287124 ▶▶ Mark, replying to Cheezilla, 4, #1161 of 1418 🔗

Not really, I don’t think (assuming you are getting at what I think you are). Informed in this context means informed as to the known nature and known potential consequences of taking the medication concerned (and of not taking it), not informed as in knowing everything about it including what is not yet known because it hasn’t been tested.

Unless of course you can establish that they know something relevant about it that they should have revealed, but chose to conceal. That’s always a possibility, but proving it is another matter.

287157 ▶▶ Salopian, replying to Cheezilla, 6, #1162 of 1418 🔗

Yes that’s correct.
The law is that a patient must be advised of the risks and benefits in a neutral manner before consenting to any medical treatment
This includes advise as to any alternative treatments or none.

Assuming you have been given the information contained in the two fact sheets and you still decide to take the Pfizer vaccine you risk being sectioned under the Mental Health Act

287167 ▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Salopian, 1, #1163 of 1418 🔗

Sectioned if I take it?

287171 ▶▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to Cheezilla, 5, #1164 of 1418 🔗

Yep, ‘cos you’d be bonkers. 🙂

287407 ▶▶▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to JohnB, #1165 of 1418 🔗

Doh. I was slow there!

287182 ▶▶ Voz 0db, replying to Cheezilla, 2, #1166 of 1418 🔗

If you can read French… read this

A small quote:

L’article 1 du Code de Nuremberg expose ce qui suit.

Le consentement volontaire du sujet humain est absolument essentiel. Cela veut dire que la personne concernée doit avoir la capacité légale de consentir

287188 ▶▶▶ Bella Donna, replying to Voz 0db, #1167 of 1418 🔗

Absolutement!

287282 ▶▶▶ annie, replying to Voz 0db, 1, #1168 of 1418 🔗

“Ce dernier point demande que, avant d’accepter une décision positive par le sujet d’expérience, il lui soit fait connaître : la nature, la durée, et le but de l’expérience ; les méthodes et moyens par lesquels elle sera conduite ; tous les désagréments et risques qui peuvent être raisonnablement envisagés ; et les conséquences pour sa santé ou sa personne, qui pourraient possiblement advenir du fait de sa participation à l’expérience. L’obligation et la responsabilité d’apprécier la qualité du consentement incombent à chaque personne qui prend l’initiative de, dirige ou travaille à l’expérience. Il s’agit d’une obligation et d’une responsabilité personnelles qui ne peuvent pas être déléguées impunément.”

In sum, the subject of the medical experiment must be fully informed before his consent can be accepted. The person conducting the experiment is personally liable for ensuring that the subject’s consent is valid. This liability cannot be delegated with impunity.

287381 ▶▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to annie, #1169 of 1418 🔗

J’aime cela!!

287380 ▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Voz 0db, 1, #1170 of 1418 🔗

Bien sur. Merci.

287184 ▶▶ Bella Donna, replying to Cheezilla, 1, #1171 of 1418 🔗

Our political class think it can ride roughshod over our rights.

287185 ▶▶ Voz 0db, replying to Cheezilla, 4, #1172 of 1418 🔗

Since that is an experimental vaccine you can just declare “Go fuck a dead goat”!

287154 Snake Oil Pussy, 2, #1173 of 1418 🔗

Accuracy has never been Hancock’s strong suit.
That’s because the government has decreed that it’s for snake oil pussies.
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2016/apr/20/accuracy-is-for-snake-oil-pussies-vote-leaves-campaign-director-defies-mps

287161 MiriamW-sometimes-AlanG, replying to MiriamW-sometimes-AlanG, 4, #1174 of 1418 🔗

I am concerned that the data are to be used “for a variety of different purposes”. Does this mean vaccination certificates? I suspect many patients would not be happy about this and would be under the impression if their GP was administering the vaccines the information would be recorded in their confidential medical record.

Dr. Helen Westwood should be even more concerned that there is no longer any such animal as a ‘confidential medical record’. See below:

Hancock issues six-month order for NHS to share confidential patient data
Usual limitations relaxed as organisations across the NHS are told to share data in fight against coronavirus Sam Trendall Civil Service World, 7 April 2020

Health secretary Matt Hancock has implemented a six-month order for organisations across the NHS to share confidential patient information in the fight against the coronavirus pandemic. A notice has been sent to all GP surgeries, local councils, executive agencies of the Department of Health and Social Care, and any other “ organisations providing health services ” throughout England, informing them that, until 30 September, they are required to “ process confidential patient information… to support the secretary of state’s response to Covid-19 ”.

It effectively clears the way for the sharing of any patient data with any relevant organisation, providing the purpose of doing so is solely “ for the purposes of research, protecting public health, providing healthcare services to the public and monitoring and managing the Covid-19 outbreak and incidents of exposure”.

In a separate notification, GPs using one of the two main patient records systems – EMIS or TPP SystmOne – are required to immediately provide all relevant care data on consent- -ing participants in the UK Biobank project. First launched in 2006, Biobank is a long-term clinical study of about 500,000 adult volunteers who are allowing researchers to track their health over many years in order to better understand a number of a serious illnesses.

The project is already receiving regular updates from Public Health England on confirmed covid-19 cases. But Hancock said that incorporating primary-care data will further assist in understanding the virus.

(….)

A notification has also been issued to NHS Digital, in which the health secretary assures the organisation it can now “ lawfully and efficiently ” share confidential patient data with any organisation that has been asked by NHS or central government to conduct “ communicable diseases surveillance ”.

In the fourth notification, for NHS England and NHS Improvement, Hancock said that the organisation will, in the coming weeks, be required to process confidential patient information as directed to do so “ by an authorised officer of the Department of Health and Social Care acting on my behalf or [as] requested to do so by another organisation permitted to process confidential information ”. In all four cases, the order lasts until 30 September. This could be extended, but will expire unless further explicit orders are given by Hancock.

(….)

The General Data Protection Regulation allows for the sharing of health data in the interest of patient care and protecting public health, according to the health secretary. “ We would expect any organisation to share information within legal requirements set out under GDPR ,” he added.

And:
Matt Hancock has extended four national data sharing orders which allow* GPs and NHS organisations to share confidential patient information, as part of the ongoing response to the covid-19 pandemic….. Health Service Journal 20 August 2020

*read ‘require’ as above.
AG

287176 ▶▶ Will, replying to MiriamW-sometimes-AlanG, 7, #1175 of 1418 🔗

FFS when is the fucking liberal left going to wake up to what is happening?

287190 ▶▶▶ Jonathan Palmer, replying to Will, 10, #1176 of 1418 🔗

Morden day useful idiots.Spent all last year calling Johnson a fascist and when he behaves like one they are silent.

287178 ▶▶ Bella Donna, replying to MiriamW-sometimes-AlanG, 3, #1177 of 1418 🔗

My medical data is not for Wankok to share with anyone. I will certainly contact my GP.

287257 ▶▶ DavidC, replying to MiriamW-sometimes-AlanG, 1, #1178 of 1418 🔗

Hmm, not sure. I’ve just been on the NHS web site regarding opt out –
https://www.nhs.uk/your-nhs-data-matters/

Suffice it to say I am opting out.

DavidC

287349 ▶▶▶ Gareth, replying to DavidC, #1179 of 1418 🔗

Thank you – opted out too.

287355 ▶▶▶ Sarigan, replying to DavidC, #1180 of 1418 🔗

Thank you for sharing. Opted out also.

Can believe that default would be opted in.

287378 ▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to DavidC, #1181 of 1418 🔗

‘Page last reviewed July 2019’.

One assumes Hand-cock’s latest diktat overrules this ?

287410 ▶▶▶ Cranmer, replying to DavidC, #1182 of 1418 🔗

There’s a note on there that says even if you opt out they will still use your data ‘to help fight Covid’.

287169 peter, replying to peter, 1, #1183 of 1418 🔗

The vaccine contains people.

287173 ▶▶ Voz 0db, replying to peter, #1184 of 1418 🔗

That’s a good thing!

287170 Lms23, replying to Lms23, #1185 of 1418 🔗

https://www.biometricupdate.com/202011/digital-travel-credential-one-step-closer-with-icao-implementation-model-approval

“Digital travel credential one step closer with ICAO implementation model approval

Digital identity projects from UN and IOTA advance

Specifications for the first digital travel credential (DTC) type have been endorsed by the ICAO Technical Advisory Group for the Traveller Identification Programme (TAG/TRIP), bringing digital identity-based travel one step closer to reality, according to the International Civil Aviation Organization’s (ICAO’s) Uniting Aviation.

A subgroup of the ICAO New Technologies Working Group (NTWG) has developed three different implementation types for DTCs, each based on the biometrics embedded in ICAO-compliant passports.”

287179 ▶▶ Ben, replying to Lms23, 2, #1186 of 1418 🔗

Freedoms removed so shareholders get money

287192 ▶▶ Tenchy, replying to Lms23, 4, #1187 of 1418 🔗

Wow! That’s one for the geeks. Have you ever seen such a load of acronym-infested bollocks in your life? Upshot – these gits won’t stop until there’s a global ID card with central database. And who’s promoting it? The people of the world, by letting their smartphones be hijacked by the likes of the UN and WEF.

287175 Tenchy, replying to Tenchy, 9, #1188 of 1418 🔗

There’s a post below covering the commendable behaviour of Millwall fans who booed players “taking the [fucking] knee” at today’s match. Anyone who does Twatter could perhaps confirm whether or not there’s a campaign to promote this stance. If not, is it possible to set up a hashtag or something (if not already done). Something like #BooTheKnee.

287183 ▶▶ Jonathan Palmer, replying to Tenchy, 9, #1190 of 1418 🔗

That was always going to happen as soon as they let the fans back in.
Why are the football players kneeling for an American criminal when our police are doing the same at the lockdown protests.

287194 Biggles, 13, #1191 of 1418 🔗

So far this season Liverpool FC have had five players test positive for Covid but no games have been postponed.

I support Darlington (stop laughing) who play in National League North. One of our players tested positive last week and the entire club has had to shut down for 2 weeks, so four league games have been called off and no training is allowed.

Yet another example of there being one rule for the elite where the money is and another for the rest?

287195 A. Contrarian, replying to A. Contrarian, 11, #1192 of 1418 🔗

On de Piffle’s Twatter feed (don’t worry, I don’t follow him or indeed Twit myself, saw it elsewhere):

It’s been a hard year for all of us, but especially for small businesses who have adapted to the rules to help us drive down the virus. On #SmallBusinessSaturday ensure you get out and show your support for the millions of brilliant small businesses across the UK.

Just unbelievable. He has of course ensured that lots of small businesses will never open again, no matter how well they adapted to the ridiculous rules. I’ve just read that three quarters of pubs won’t bother to open in Tier 2, let alone Tier 3. And a week ago he was telling us to stay at home at all costs, now we are being told to “get out” and spend our money, whereupon we will be blamed for not following the rules and creating a post-Christmas “surge” in cases (cf Eat Out to Help Out).

It’s just too depressing for words.

287206 ▶▶ James007, replying to A. Contrarian, 21, #1193 of 1418 🔗

Whenever I hear this government talk about how hard it has been it gets my blood up.
It has been hard because of you! You have damaged this country, you have destroyed lives and treated the citizens of this country like potentially diseased cattle.
Johnson, you are the worst leader this country has had for centuries.

287312 ▶▶▶ Sue, replying to James007, #1194 of 1418 🔗

exactly – i wish i was on twatter – i’d give the fat clown a piece of my mind!

287233 ▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to A. Contrarian, 11, #1195 of 1418 🔗

…. ensure you get out and show your support for the millions thousands hundreds dozens of brilliant small businesses across the UK.

287236 ▶▶ Gavroche, replying to A. Contrarian, 5, #1196 of 1418 🔗

It seems Bojo needs to have a word with Nottingham City Council. Driving back from shopping today, I passed a large illuminated sign stating: ‘Essential Travel Only. Stay at Home’.

These people are very good at the sanctimony and guilt-tripping. Basic consistency, however, is something that eludes them.

287404 ▶▶ Cranmer, replying to A. Contrarian, #1197 of 1418 🔗

By ‘small business’ the globalists probably mean companies that are only nationwide rather than global. To them WH Smith’s is probably a ‘small business’.

287198 Nick Rose, 11, #1198 of 1418 🔗

Seen on Twitter…

287200 James007, replying to James007, 40, #1199 of 1418 🔗

There is hope!
We heard from some friends yesterday. They were committed Covidians. Last time my wife met up with the wife (in a public park), she asked her if she would mind getting a PCR test to make sure it was still safe to meet. (Refused obviously). They used to quarantine their shopping, washing any packages before putting in the fridge.

They have seen the light, and invited us to dinner today in their flat, children playing together normally, no distancing, no nonsense. Behaving like normal human beings having friends round.

They realised several weeks back, that Covid is no where near as serious as the hype. Survival rates are good, and that the fear of the disease is preventing us from being human.

Hug and hold HANDs with those you love
Always show your FACE.
Dont keep your SPACE. We have always been social creatures. That is how we are supposed to live.

Always ask questions. Remember life is a precious thing. Don’t let this evil communist regime steal it from you.

Above all be human! There is hope!

287256 ▶▶ Alethea, replying to James007, 3, #1200 of 1418 🔗

I’m enjoyably shaken, James, and stirred.

287201 Nick Rose, replying to Nick Rose, 14, #1201 of 1418 🔗

And this:

287210 ▶▶ Richard O, replying to Nick Rose, 16, #1202 of 1418 🔗

I tend to agree with this. The vaccine is the last throw of the dice. Many will succumb to the propaganda and submit, with dreadful and irreparable consequences. I think that by Spring 2021 this will be too great to conceal, and the house of cards will come down.

287307 ▶▶▶ Sue, replying to Richard O, 3, #1203 of 1418 🔗

i pray you’re right!! I don’t think i can stomach much more of the constant fear mongering and changing dictats from these wankers, and slow motion car crash of our society and economy – it’s driving me insane!! But they are going to string it out for as long as they can and more as they can’t let go of control and keep tightening the screws.
I wish there was a strong leader we could unite and get a million people out on the streets to stop this tyranny , but all the opposition seems rather dispersed and adhoc, though welcome all the same.

287416 ▶▶▶▶ annie, replying to Sue, #1204 of 1418 🔗

Actually it’s driving you sane. That’s why you’re on this site.

287205 Nick Rose, replying to Nick Rose, 7, #1205 of 1418 🔗

And another…

287229 ▶▶ Ben, replying to Nick Rose, 5, #1206 of 1418 🔗

Covid is just one huge cash grab

287237 ▶▶ Dorian_Hawkmoon, replying to Nick Rose, 6, #1207 of 1418 🔗

Mr Whitty.

287208 MutzNutz, replying to MutzNutz, -9, #1208 of 1418 🔗
287309 ▶▶ Biker, replying to MutzNutz, 5, #1209 of 1418 🔗

I don’t understand why people hate Trump. He was a right laugh, i take it you prefer your politicians to visit Jeff’s island and openly sniff children in public. Yeah but Trump is horrible. Make no mistake you’re on the side of pedophiles.

287212 TimeIsNow, replying to TimeIsNow, 17, #1210 of 1418 🔗

Hello planet sane. My gym re-opened on Wednesday and is a beautiful mask free zone of sanity. The staff wear them half heartedly but look embarrassed about it and de-mask when chatting. Oddballs wearing them walking around look well, odd. 90% plus don’t. No anti-social distancing at all. I remove propaganda on equipment as I go around. Good times. I might move in. Horrible gunk stations everywhere but no one seems to use them. People who train are skeptics.

287225 ▶▶ Liam, replying to TimeIsNow, 5, #1211 of 1418 🔗

People who work out in gyms are boosting their immune systems and have absolutely nothing to fear from teh viruz. Closing them is insanity.

Well it’s all insanity, but you know that.

287264 ▶▶▶ TimeIsNow, replying to Liam, 4, #1212 of 1418 🔗

Hi Liam. Listening to Ivor Cummings other videos, a protein rich diet and near daily exercise might be why I’ve not had a day off work for flu or a cold in twenty years. Effectively banning exercise is the worst thing the govt could have done March.

287288 ▶▶▶▶ Liam, replying to TimeIsNow, 2, #1213 of 1418 🔗

Yes, absolutely. (By contrast I’m a heavy drinking layabout – who also hasn’t had a cold in years – but I take full responsibility for any consequences of my bad choices, as any of us sane people do). 😊

287334 ▶▶▶▶▶ TimeIsNow, replying to Liam, 1, #1214 of 1418 🔗

I’m no monk either. No one lives forever. We have to enjoy every day like it’s the last.

287213 Nick Rose, 24, #1215 of 1418 🔗

Couldn’t agree more with this one, replying to Boris Johnson, on SmallBizSaturday:

https://twitter.com/opinionatedmum1/status/1335216673318690819

You know what Boris?

It’s my son’s birthday on Monday & I would LOVE to show my support to a local business by taking him out for a pizza which he’d love or to his favourite place – the local trampoline park but guess what?

I can’t cause some twat put us in Tier3.

287215 Cheezilla, replying to Cheezilla, 3, #1216 of 1418 🔗

Well the Grad is reporting about a hundred people who “staged a tresspass” at Stonehenge.

Weirdly, I can’t find a squeak about today’s peaceful protests.

Do you think the absence of police was because they were all deployed to the North Yorkshire border?

287392 ▶▶ JohnB, replying to Cheezilla, #1217 of 1418 🔗

There was only a few hundred there, you’d have got more at a grass roots footy game this afternoon if it was allowed.

287216 Nick Rose, replying to Nick Rose, 27, #1218 of 1418 🔗

Another common sense voice:

https://twitter.com/Chaelax1/status/1335223431231655938

I suggest you get a grip and fast. Start being the pm instead of an assistant to sage. Restrictions, masks, covid secure, it’s all needs to go now. People have had enough. Nobody wants to shop because of the masks, same for going to pubs/ restaurants. It’s your fault. Sort it.

A bit late to save Piffle now though.

287223 ▶▶ Richard O, replying to Nick Rose, 15, #1219 of 1418 🔗

Johnson is toast. He has gone all in with global interests which are in direct opposition to the British people (whom he clearly despises with ever greater intensity). His legacy of total destruction is already assured.

287254 ▶▶▶ Biker, replying to Richard O, 7, #1220 of 1418 🔗

It’s not just Johnstone, it’s all of them. What was the point of Brexit when everyone in parliament (almost) is a corrupt globalist bastard. Parliament no longer represents the people but the interests of the world government. I have no duty to do anything these cunts in Westminster demand of me. I’m a son of Albion not some one world global fucking citizen. The British people didn’t invent the modern world and everything in it to be told what to do by some fucker from Belgium never mind a fucking German. Seems to me that the Germans are at it again only this time before the war they filled up parliament with their traitors leaving the British people fucked. I kid you not i will lead a revolution against these fuckers if it is required. I won’t sit back and take it up the ass from these people.

287262 ▶▶▶▶ Richard O, replying to Biker, 1, #1221 of 1418 🔗

Countries are unimportant to these people. Think of them as reservations for managing the herd. This time I believe they have bitten off far more than they can chew. What has already been and what will be revealed about their “evil empire” cannot return to the shadows.

287399 ▶▶▶▶ Cranmer, replying to Biker, 1, #1222 of 1418 🔗

I take your point. But one of the points of Brexit is to try to ensure that the democratic process happens in the UK via accountable people and institutions, without things being decided by unelected bureaucrats in Brussels (yes, I know some will dispute this, but that is what many of us believe). Even if Johnson is just supporting Brexit in order to more easily facilitate some sort of globalist nightmare, we can hopefully foil that plan more easily than we could if we were still in the EU.

287219 Bella Donna, 5, #1223 of 1418 🔗

I’ve just sent another email to my MP Jo Churchill attaching this

“Head of Pfizer Research:
The vaccine contains a spike protein (see image) called syncytin-1, vital for the formation of human placenta in women.If the vaccine works so that we form an immune response AGAINST the spike protein, we are also training the female body to attack syncytin-1, which could lead to infertility in women of an unspecified duration. Dr. Wodarg and Dr. Yeadon request a stop of all corona vaccination …”

And asking if she was aware of this fact or indeed anyone in government was aware when pushing this vaccine forward without proper vetting and insisting she respond ASAP.

287220 A. Contrarian, replying to A. Contrarian, 5, #1224 of 1418 🔗

Apparently Starmer is having to self-isolate yet again…

287227 ▶▶ Richard O, replying to A. Contrarian, 3, #1225 of 1418 🔗

The machines are beginning to malfunction.

287242 ▶▶ RickH, replying to A. Contrarian, 4, #1226 of 1418 🔗

Well – let’s be grateful for small mercies and look on the bright side.

287274 ▶▶ TheOriginalBlackPudding, replying to A. Contrarian, 2, #1227 of 1418 🔗

Well that saves him having to make a conscious decision to do nothing useful.

287382 ▶▶ Bella, replying to A. Contrarian, 1, #1228 of 1418 🔗

Stupid visor he wears worked well then. I’d post a picture of the dork wearing it but I don’t know how

287398 ▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to Bella, 2, #1229 of 1418 🔗

.

287408 ▶▶▶▶ Hughie, replying to JohnB, 2, #1230 of 1418 🔗

The fact that these things count as a face covering demonstrates quite clearly that the whole thing is utter bollocks. And evidently there are a lot of people who are really catastrophically thick.

287415 ▶▶▶▶▶ annie, replying to Hughie, 2, #1231 of 1418 🔗

Almost all people are. And cruel, and malicious, and unable to stir a muscle outside the herd. I’ve been a secondary school teacher. I’ve seen how it starts and I’m not a bit surprised at the finished zombie product. Only disgusted.

287436 ▶▶▶▶ Ben, replying to JohnB, #1232 of 1418 🔗

It’s gone beyond parody now. Keir Starmer has nothing to offer except fascistic virtue-signalling

287441 ▶▶▶▶ A. Contrarian, replying to JohnB, #1233 of 1418 🔗

He looks like he’s wearing it outdoors?

287465 ▶▶▶▶▶ Two-Six, replying to A. Contrarian, #1234 of 1418 🔗

He was, sitting in an outside seating area at a golf course in Scotland talking to some nappied-up local worthies, the normal people on the other tables were looking at them with obvious mirth on their faces….

287445 ▶▶▶ A. Contrarian, replying to Bella, #1235 of 1418 🔗

I think he came within 5 miles of someone who tested positive rather than testing positive himself. I expect the visor will be proved to have prevented him from contracting it of course.

287221 Hoppy Uniatz, 9, #1236 of 1418 🔗

Regent Street has been pedestrianised today so large numbers of people have been happily meandering down the middle of the road.
It all looks very similar to last Saturday, except that last Saturday the TSG kept rushing out and arresting random pensioners.

287222 Leemc23, replying to Leemc23, 4, #1237 of 1418 🔗

Re Asymptotic transmission.

Very early on the study of a Church in Singapore and the two Chinese people attending without symptoms was the basis of Asymptotic transmission scare stories.

Now we know that Covid 19 was around at least 5 months prior to this incident. It’s now more than plausible that those affected in that church were infected elsewhere and not in the church by the Chinese duo at all.

Has this been reported on ? I am sure I read that this incident was considered the basis of asymptotic transmission????

287302 ▶▶ theanalyst, replying to Leemc23, #1238 of 1418 🔗

good point!

287226 Ceriain, replying to Ceriain, 10, #1239 of 1418 🔗

Junior BBC reporter sacked after going overboard on Honesty Day.

287238 ▶▶ Old Mum, replying to Ceriain, 2, #1240 of 1418 🔗

Best laugh all day!

287433 ▶▶ Ben, replying to Ceriain, #1241 of 1418 🔗

Is that real?

287230 A. Contrarian, replying to A. Contrarian, 11, #1242 of 1418 🔗

https://www.biorxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.11.03.367375v1

A significant majority of the global population is likely to have SARS-CoV-2 reactive T-cells because of prior exposure to flu and CMV viruses, in addition to common cold-causing coronaviruses.

287367 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to A. Contrarian, #1243 of 1418 🔗

I do wonder, do these scientists get these findings and just fall off the planet of the earth? It pretty much invalidates all official predictions of deaths in the quadzillions.

Or do they just file the paper and move on?

287239 Ewan Duffy, replying to Ewan Duffy, 18, #1244 of 1418 🔗

https://www.theguardian.com/business/2020/dec/05/sadiq-khan-heads-to-oxford-street-to-urge-public-to-go-shopping

You couldn’t make it up! Sadiq Kahn wants people to return to the shops as he has now realised they will go bust if people don’t return.

287244 ▶▶ Richard O, replying to Ewan Duffy, 16, #1245 of 1418 🔗

Citizen Khan is one of the high priests of the Covid cult, and is in large measure directly responsible for the destruction of the city he claims to represent. One of the biggest traitors out there.

287333 ▶▶▶ OKUK, replying to Richard O, 2, #1246 of 1418 🔗

Also campaigned for (not represented as a solicitor, though he falsely insinuates that’s what it was) a guy (Babar Ahmed, definitely not his client) who later pleaded guilty in the USA to supporting terrorism. Khan only switched from Islamism to Globalism after our secret services took a detailed interest in his activities.

287395 ▶▶▶▶ Cranmer, replying to OKUK, 1, #1247 of 1418 🔗

And he has that annoyin’ habit of talkin’ without pronouncin’ his word endins.

287246 ▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Ewan Duffy, 14, #1248 of 1418 🔗

If he hadn’t filled the streets with stormtrooper thugs last Saturday, shoppers might be less reluctant this weekend.

287267 ▶▶▶ annie, replying to Cheezilla, 13, #1249 of 1418 🔗

If he hadn’t muzzled every human being in sight, the streets and shops wouldn’t be so bloody ghastly that nobody wants to go near them.

287375 ▶▶▶▶ Bella Donna, replying to annie, 3, #1250 of 1418 🔗

Shopping used to be a pleasurable experience, now it isn’t so it’s a case of ordering on the Internet or nipping into a shop and out again without browsing.

287273 ▶▶ A. Contrarian, replying to Ewan Duffy, 5, #1251 of 1418 🔗

And if they do, he will blame them for a spike in infections that will no doubt require London to be escalated to Tier 3.

287372 ▶▶ Bella Donna, replying to Ewan Duffy, #1252 of 1418 🔗

No sh^t Sherlock, who woukd have thought it?

287243 Cheezilla, replying to Cheezilla, 2, #1253 of 1418 🔗

Well this should make you fall about laughing or make your blood boil:

The Royal Society: Join our panel of expert scientists in this free-to-attend online event to explore the science behind the pandemic, and what makes this particular virus so infectious and potentially life-threatening on an unprecedented global scale.

https://www.facebook.com/events/654313891904221/

287249 ▶▶ Alethea, replying to Cheezilla, 5, #1254 of 1418 🔗

If there is any element at all of live discussion, even just of a question-posing opportunity, and we were all to attend, we could constitute quite the sceptical flash mob.

287365 ▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Alethea, #1255 of 1418 🔗

You’d have to sign up and see – but I doubt it.

287393 ▶▶▶ Cranmer, replying to Alethea, 1, #1256 of 1418 🔗

I imagine it would be like a BBC radio phone in, where callers are vetted by researchers before going on air to ensure their views are ‘on-message’. The only way round it is to convince them you are going to talk about something different to what you actually say.

287251 ▶▶ Major Panic, replying to Cheezilla, 2, #1257 of 1418 🔗

LOL can’t be that infectious if so few of us have had it as claimed by gov scientists

287253 ▶▶ Tyneside Tigress, replying to Cheezilla, 4, #1258 of 1418 🔗

Really needs Mike Yeadon on there!

287247 Biker, replying to Biker, 14, #1259 of 1418 🔗

Check out this evil fuck. if they try this shit out here i swear to god there will be blood on the streets of Albion
https://www.zerohedge.com/political/chief-medical-officer-says-canadians-who-refuse-vaccine-wont-have-freedom-move-around

287252 ▶▶ Bella Donna, replying to Biker, 7, #1260 of 1418 🔗

Perhaps if the people started hanging these fckwits it might persuade them otherwise.

287261 ▶▶▶ Biker, replying to Bella Donna, 10, #1261 of 1418 🔗

I’m afraid and i mean this the only way to deal with these people is how the IRA tried to fight off the British. Unfortunately just as they were winning they threw it all away and signed up to the one planet agenda making all the fighting and suffering for one hundred years a total and utter waste of time. I don’t know what will happen but i will not do anything these cunts say any more

287473 ▶▶▶▶ Steve, replying to Biker, #1262 of 1418 🔗

They weren’t winning. After they nearly blew up the govt we took the gloves off and let the SAS etc off the leashes. That’s what made them sign the Good Friday agreement.

287474 ▶▶▶▶ Steve, replying to Biker, #1263 of 1418 🔗

Oh and planting bombs in Warrington town centre and killing two kids isn’t how you fight anything and anyone who supports those monsters should be put against the wall and shot. Worst kind of scum.

287297 ▶▶ theanalyst, replying to Biker, 3, #1264 of 1418 🔗

Did you notice the weird way the evil bloke was stroking his wrist? What was that about? Who does that?

287304 ▶▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to theanalyst, 5, #1265 of 1418 🔗

When these people are activated by their codeword, that’s a dead giveaway

287311 ▶▶ Lisa (formerly) from Toronto, replying to Biker, 10, #1266 of 1418 🔗

He’s the chief medical officer of my province — lucky me. He was referring specifically to LTC facilities and schools, which is not to say I’m not fully aware that’s just a start. Just like I told the “it’s just a piece of cloth” people that it wouldn’t stop there, I know limiting access to LTC facilities and schools won’t be the end of it. This will be challenged in court — we already have a statement of claim that was filed in early July that challenges all of the Covid insanity — and recent past precedent was set when the Ontario Supreme Court ruled against hospitals that tried to force nurses to wear masks if they refused a flu vaccine. Not all Canadians are taking this lying down! We are fighting it.

287315 ▶▶▶ Country Mumkin, replying to Lisa (formerly) from Toronto, 1, #1267 of 1418 🔗

Awful!

How is it for schools? Vaccine is for 16+.

287331 ▶▶▶▶ Lisa (formerly) from Toronto, replying to Country Mumkin, 3, #1268 of 1418 🔗

Schools worry me because my daughter is in her last year of teacher’s college. While she’s 24 and I can’t tell her what to do, I will go ballistic if she feels she’s being forced to get any vaccine in order to work. Kids of all ages are forced to mask all day so my daughter is also forced to wear one on the days she’s in the classroom. There is a class action lawsuit being launched by Parents For Mask Free Education, but who knows how long that will take to be heard. I believe there are vaccine exemptions for kids in school but it’s been a while since I’ve had to worry about this. I do remember having to opt my girls out of the HPV vaccine when they were administering them at school. I think kids will be the last in line for this new vaccine, thankfully, but it’s definitely a concern. Informed consent is a big deal here and parents must be involved, so even an unauthorized PCR test by the school would be considered assault. Children cannot be subjected to any kind of medical intervention without parental consent…at least for now.

287431 ▶▶▶▶▶ Ben, replying to Lisa (formerly) from Toronto, 1, #1269 of 1418 🔗

I read that reduced oxygen intake from face masks on children may increase risk of dementia in later life (German neurologist Dr Griesz- Brisson)

287321 ▶▶▶ Biker, replying to Lisa (formerly) from Toronto, 6, #1270 of 1418 🔗

That’s good, it pays to remember there are good people out there fighting for us

287389 ▶▶▶ Cranmer, replying to Lisa (formerly) from Toronto, 3, #1271 of 1418 🔗

Thank you to our cousins over the water, please continue to stand on guard for Canada.

287420 ▶▶▶ annie, replying to Lisa (formerly) from Toronto, 2, #1272 of 1418 🔗

Gid bless all Canadians who are resisting this evil.

287383 ▶▶ Ben, replying to Biker, 4, #1273 of 1418 🔗

Seems most Canadian politicians are wannabe Nazis. Why is Canada so eager to become a dictatorship? It’s not as if it’s densely populated

I read that anti-lockdown politician Randy Hillier’s son was tased by police in a pub in Perth, Ontario for defending a friend who was mask exempt. Politicians are unashamedly talking about ‘quarantine camps’ (concentration camps). WTF is happening in Canada?

287455 ▶▶▶ Lisa (formerly) from Toronto, replying to Ben, 2, #1274 of 1418 🔗

I don’t think it’s that much different here as in the UK. We’ve got the same mask mandates, a similar tiered system (ours is colour coded), and the same cowardly dictators (aka politicians). Perhaps the sheeple here are a bit more likely to wear masks, but we don’t have the lanyards and most of the stores are horrible about honouring exemptions. Our only option is to sue them or launch a human rights complaint, so most people go along because they will be kicked out of a store in most cases. However, we do have a lot of groups fighting back and a fair few lawsuits in the pipeline. Randy Hillier is definitely one of the good guys!

287472 ▶▶▶ Biker, replying to Ben, #1275 of 1418 🔗

it’s because they’re all moose fuckers

287384 ▶▶ JohnB, replying to Biker, 3, #1276 of 1418 🔗

It’ll be fine in the UK you’ll be able to buy your COVID vaccine certificate from my dark web shop. Buy your Bitcoins now in preparation!

287255 Cheezilla, replying to Cheezilla, 7, #1277 of 1418 🔗

Yes, it’s the Grad but just have a read of this. Talk about doublethink:

The great reset, both the title of an airport book by the creative economy guru Richard Florida and a slogan favoured by corporate do-gooders, is also the term for a web of ideas that has become increasingly popular among the anti-lockdown right. In its most implausible version, this conspiracy imagines that a global elite is using Covid-19 as an opportunity to roll out radical policies such as forced vaccinations, digital ID cards and the renunciation of private property.

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2020/dec/04/great-reset-capitalism-became-anti-lockdown-conspiracy

The great reset theory is nonsense, and will probably become a prime target for the many new research centres and initiatives studying “disinformation” that have mushroomed on university campuses since 2016. But although we may scorn the ideas of anti-lockdown protesters, we ignore the unequal reality of the pandemic at our peril. Many of the world’s tech companies and CEOs have done well from this crisis. Indeed, in the same week that many Americans lost their jobs, Jeff Bezos, the founder of Amazon, added $13bn to his fortune in just a day. With surreal realities like these, where prominent members of the 1% really do appear to have gained from the pandemic, how much of a leap is it to persuade someone that the crisis has been orchestrated deliberately so that elites can amass power?

287265 ▶▶ Biker, replying to Cheezilla, 7, #1278 of 1418 🔗

lol, they’re fucking crazy

287284 ▶▶▶ Bill h, replying to Biker, 5, #1279 of 1418 🔗

No !..

They are completely fucked up, trashed,useless motherfuckers.

287290 ▶▶▶▶ Biker, replying to Bill h, 5, #1280 of 1418 🔗

I’m not sure about that because i’m a fucked up, trashed motherfucker, admittedly i’m not useless much to my annoyance since everyone and their dog comes to me to fix shit for them. It’s the curse of having a workshop and a working knowledge of engines.

287303 ▶▶▶▶▶ Bill h, replying to Biker, 4, #1281 of 1418 🔗

Zen and the Art .

A masterpiece.

Keep the faith. Engines will always be with us. and needing to be fixed.

cheers

287305 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Biker, replying to Bill h, 2, #1282 of 1418 🔗

I found it a bit depressing and wanted the son to die, great title for a book though.

287373 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Bella, replying to Biker, #1283 of 1418 🔗

Worth re-reading. I’ve read it four times, got something more from it each time. But, sure, it ain’t light-hearted. Sequel was really disappointing

287266 ▶▶ Richard O, replying to Cheezilla, 7, #1284 of 1418 🔗

Quite a helpful reveal actually. They say the opportunism theory is implausible, then give hard evidence to demonstrate that it is already happening.

287356 ▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Richard O, 1, #1285 of 1418 🔗

That’s why I thought it was worth a sceptical peruse.

287358 ▶▶▶▶ Bill h, replying to Cheezilla, 1, #1286 of 1418 🔗

Good Shout Cheeze

287412 ▶▶▶ CGL, replying to Richard O, #1287 of 1418 🔗

Don’t they have proof readers any more? Surely someone there could see the irony in that one sentence. Aren’t they looking at the news lately?

287275 ▶▶ Howie59, replying to Cheezilla, 7, #1288 of 1418 🔗

“this conspiracy imagines that a global elite is using Covid-19 as an opportunity to roll out radical policies such as forced vaccinations, digital ID cards and the renunciation of private property.”

Their stubbornness is truly astonishing. Under no circumstances could they ever give credence to such an idea, even when they later show evidence that this is a) happening now and b) benefiting the global elite.

287285 ▶▶▶ Biker, replying to Howie59, 11, #1289 of 1418 🔗

When they’re being held down and injected with the secret serum they’ll still be claiming it’s all a “right wing conspiracy”. See when anyone says “right wing conspiracy” you know you’re dealing with a real fanny.

287296 ▶▶▶▶ Howie59, replying to Biker, 5, #1290 of 1418 🔗

You’re spot on. Right wing, left wing, it’s just a f&$#ing label used to divide and conquer. Back in 2003, Bliar’s dodgy dossier and the resulting crusade would have been labelled left wing conspiracy. Nothing of the sort, lies are lies, whoever tells them.

287276 ▶▶ Liam, replying to Cheezilla, 12, #1291 of 1418 🔗

The Graun. Wrong about everything. All the time. The house journal of the mentally ill.

287283 ▶▶ leggy, replying to Cheezilla, 7, #1292 of 1418 🔗

I must have imagined reading Schwab’s book of the same name.

287363 ▶▶ John Galt, replying to Cheezilla, 7, #1293 of 1418 🔗

The funniest thing I’ve read regarding this is what the BBC said about it. Brace yourself. In the first paragraph:

We start with the revival of the baseless conspiracy theory, known as the ‘Great Reset’

The very next paragraph:

The conspiracy theory has its origins in a genuine plan entitled ‘The Great Reset’

I guess the difference between the Great Reset being a baseless conspiracy theory or a genuine plan, is an apostrophe and whether the word “the” is placed within the apostrophe or outside of it.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/55017002

287376 ▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to John Galt, 3, #1294 of 1418 🔗

Oh my!

287270 Mark, 11, #1295 of 1418 🔗

From the conclusion of the Adam Smith Institute paper linked below (emphasis in original) :

“We add to this the following proposition: there should be no right to not be offended, no right to prevent others from expressing ideas that one finds uncomfortable or dislikes, in positive law. Parliament, and Parliament alone, has the power to make this the rule in the United Kingdom. In the massively online and interactive world awaiting future generations, the only way free inquiry will survive is if the police have no role in the regulation of political speech.”

Hear bloody hear!

Sense and Sensitivity
Restoring free speech in the United Kingdom

287271 swedenborg, replying to swedenborg, 6, #1296 of 1418 🔗

New published meta study about Ivermectin. Evidence of use in all stages of C-19 disease. Other studies incl. RCT showing even effect as prophylaxis. Probably the best drug to use as early treatment especially in risk groups of severe C-19 disease.Also include a link to US group videolink and protocol promoting Ivermectin in the US. This is strange an obsession in MSM with vaccines instead of focus on a cheap generic drug already available to be used now at the top of the seasonal wave. Big Pharma has no interest and MSM/BBC follows with silence as always..
https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.11.30.20236570v1 THE THERAPEUTIC POTENTIAL OF IVERMECTIN FOR COVID-19: A REVIEW OF MECHANISMS AND EVIDENCE
“Positive mortality benefit, reduced time to clinical recovery, reduced incidence of disease progression and decreased duration of hospital admission were reported in patients across all stages of clinical severity.

https://covid19criticalcare.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/12/FLCCC-Protocols-%E2%80%93-A-Guide-to-the-Management-of-COVID-19.pdf

https://covid19criticalcare.com/

287388 ▶▶ Zak Thelotofem, replying to swedenborg, 2, #1297 of 1418 🔗

Couldn’t agree more. Safe, effective, cheap and available yet still unlicensed in this country.
It almost seems that a potent remedy is something to be afraid of.

287422 ▶▶▶ swedenborg, replying to Zak Thelotofem, #1298 of 1418 🔗

I think it is licensed for the indication Norwegian scabies and some other rare parasitic tropical diseases but not licensed for C-19. But masssive use in veterinary medicine ie horses.(some interesting comments about the absurdity of this in the youtube link you have posted).

287277 Bill h, replying to Bill h, 17, #1299 of 1418 🔗

So back on the subject of letters to MPs…

I sent one before the latest vote. Never got a reply.

So today I sent this short and sharp.

Useless of course , but made be feel better anyway !

🙂

Dear….

I am frankly disgusted by

a ) your failure to reply to my letter.
b) your abstention in the vote on this matter.

We need people of intelligence and principle in the House of Commons.

Regrettably, it would appear you fit neither category.

You may be assured that you will not be in receipt of my vote at any time future.

I wish you well in you future career choices.

287323 ▶▶ OKUK, replying to Bill h, #1300 of 1418 🔗

Lol! Hope he is duly punished.

287387 ▶▶ Cranmer, replying to Bill h, 1, #1301 of 1418 🔗

Just a reminder, when emailing an MP remember to unequivocally summarise your views in one line in the subject line, such as ‘Please vote against further Lockdowns’ etc. Even if the MP or his/her researchers delete it without reading it, they will still be confronted with, hopefully, hundreds of similar headings every day in their in-boxes.

287278 theanalyst, replying to theanalyst, 31, #1302 of 1418 🔗

More thoughts about the ‘Lie’ of Asymptomatic Transmission

This is something we need to keep fighting.

The idea that asymptomatic transmission can drive an epidemic is utterly false, yet this particular lie is costing the UK Billions every month. PCR Tests / Lateral flow tests etc. It is ruining lives and causing lonely deaths for many vulnerable people.

My Physio in May/June 2020 was very frightened of me even though he is huge and I should have been immune (I told him I have antibodies) according to normal medicine. He wore mask /gloves / apron / face-shield etc. I called him the Head of the Covid Sect in my mind. He had been brainwashed by the concept that people who have zero symptoms can spread disease. He was afraid of me asymptomatically transmitting to him. That was the first time I heard the word asymptomatic in my life. FFS.

His thinking and fears were bollocks. Even Dr Fauci says asymptomatic transmission does not drive an epidemic.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X1orSO094uY

Decent medical research says there is something like a 1.7 in a million chance of this so called asymptomatic transmission happening. And that figure ignores false positives.

WHO agrees, and that is why WHO said it was very rare.

Medicine has always isolated the symptomatic not the asymptomatic to prevent spread.

Asymptomatic Transmission is another massive con that needs to be attacked most vigorously, so I think we need to keep attacking the lie of asymptomatic transmission.

287291 ▶▶ Julian, replying to theanalyst, 6, #1303 of 1418 🔗

It seems to me that the whole basis of the vaccine protecting others is based on asymptomatic transmission being rare/non-existent

287301 ▶▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to Julian, 4, #1304 of 1418 🔗

On top of that the whole social shaming aspect of people taking LIBERTIES with the rules is based on “you might kill someone”.

287328 ▶▶▶▶ Howie59, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 9, #1305 of 1418 🔗

And on top of that, it is the lie that has been used to coerce a stupid and fearful population into wearing masks. Without this reasoning there is no justification, nothing. The house of cards would fall.

287366 ▶▶▶▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to Howie59, 1, #1306 of 1418 🔗

And on top of that, let’s place a wee cherry

287419 ▶▶ Dorian_Hawkmoon, replying to theanalyst, #1307 of 1418 🔗

I can’t see what the mechanism is for asymptomatic spread. It seems a contradictory concept. I have not seen it described anywhere. Seems to be magic.

287435 ▶▶▶ OKUK, replying to Dorian_Hawkmoon, #1308 of 1418 🔗

I suppose if your body’s defences were able to keep the virus isolated in the nasal cavity, it would be possible to have asymptomatic spread especially if someone was a frequent nostril toucher, as many are.

287280 swedenborg, replying to swedenborg, 24, #1309 of 1418 🔗

https://twitter.com/MichaelPSenger/status/1335303458317103104

“Good news: Portuguese judges who ruled PCR test unfit to justify lockdowns not punished. But fact the “scientists” complained to have judges punished instead of just appealing the ruling like normal people tells you all you need to know. Corrupt thugs.

 https://www.portugalresident.com/portuguese-judges-wont-be-disciplined-over-controversial-ruling-highlighting-doubts-over-covid-test-reliability/

287295 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to swedenborg, 6, #1310 of 1418 🔗

Great news.

287292 Ceriain, replying to Ceriain, 6, #1311 of 1418 🔗

Just had a horrible thought:

Masks with flashing Christmassy lights on them. You just know they’re coming.

287298 ▶▶ theanalyst, replying to Ceriain, 2, #1312 of 1418 🔗

Ouch

287406 ▶▶ thinkaboutit, replying to Ceriain, 1, #1313 of 1418 🔗

Well with all the sweat and spit in them they might short circuit.

287411 ▶▶ Ben, replying to Ceriain, 1, #1314 of 1418 🔗

The mold spores will think they’re in heaven

287300 swedenborg, replying to swedenborg, 3, #1316 of 1418 🔗

New published article showing a rapid test for Sars-Cov-2 and finally get rid of unreliable PCR.Easy to have different version of this.

Brilliant new method of easy fast reliable point-of care testing getting rid of over-diagnosis of C-19 by PCR and liberating many from meaningless isolation and reducing track and trace.

Another view is another product of pharmacological industrial complex to ruin the economy with testing and further spinning the use of mass-testing and over dramatizing the benefit of testing mild patients.

https://www.cell.com/cell/fulltext/S0092-8674(20)31623-8#articleInformation

Amplification-free detection of SARS-CoV-2 with CRISPR-Cas13a and mobile phone microscopy

“Here we report the development of an amplification-free CRISPR-Cas13a assay for direct detection of SARS-CoV-2 from nasal swab RNA that can be read with a mobile phone microscope. The assay achieved ∼100 copies/μL sensitivity in under 30 minutes of measurement time and accurately detected pre-extracted RNA from a set of positive clinical samples in under 5 minutes. We combined crRNAs targeting SARS-CoV-2 RNA to improve sensitivity and specificity, and directly quantified viral load using enzyme kinetics. Integrated with a reader device based on a mobile phone, this assay has the potential to enable rapid, low-cost, point-of-care screening for SARS-CoV-2.

287314 ▶▶ leggy, replying to swedenborg, 5, #1317 of 1418 🔗

Yeah, I’d rather no testing at all tbh, but death of PCR would be welcomed. Kary Mullis must be turning in his grave.

287348 ▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to swedenborg, 3, #1318 of 1418 🔗

Given that we don’t need any testing whatsoever, my initial response to this was kerrrrchingggg!

287362 ▶▶ Ben, replying to swedenborg, -3, #1319 of 1418 🔗

Coronaviruses have been around for donkey’s years. Why do we need a test for coronaviruses? Are you a pharma/tech shill?

287379 ▶▶▶ swedenborg, replying to Ben, 2, #1320 of 1418 🔗

No.Just reporting a new test coming which will create controversy many for and many against.

287306 Bart Simpson, replying to Bart Simpson, 27, #1321 of 1418 🔗

Good evening fellow sceptics!!

As promised to TJN, here’s a report of my first day back at work:

We were fairly busy today which is not surprising as its Day 2 of our new exhibition opening however the numbers are nothing compared to how it was the previous years.

Visitors did respond well to my muzzle-free face. Certainly more than before who also came without mask but wearing exemption lanyards. However I did notice loads of visitors touching their faces a lot and also pulling the masks away from their faces in order to breathe. This is perhaps one of the reasons why many didn’t stay very long despite their positive feedback.

Had a chat with a visitor who is planning another visit and she’s hoping that things will change as she said “we can’t go on like this.” Very likely she’s not the only one who thinks this way.

It will be interesting to see how this will pan out over the next few days, weeks and months in terms of visitors.

287318 ▶▶ theanalyst, replying to Bart Simpson, 10, #1322 of 1418 🔗

Thanks Bart – I have not yet met anyone who says they enjoy wearing a mask (other than a suspect employee, but I think it is another condition). Everyone I know hates it.My family and I would have responded well to your muzzle free face. Please keep it up!

287319 ▶▶ Ben, replying to Bart Simpson, 16, #1323 of 1418 🔗

A friend the other day said he was forced to pull his mask down in a shop because he simply couldn’t breathe. He thought he was going to pass out

This is what the psychopaths in Westminster are doing to us

287338 ▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to Ben, 11, #1324 of 1418 🔗

As the vast majority of our visitors are of a certain age its heart breaking to see them struggle to breathe.

I have had people come up to me asking me where I got my lanyard and asking me about exemptions so its clear that many people don’t really like masks and struggle with them.

287345 ▶▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Bart Simpson, 3, #1325 of 1418 🔗

Could you supply the sunflower ones, like Sainsbury’s did? Might get more visitors in to your establishment too!

287359 ▶▶▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to Cheezilla, 3, #1326 of 1418 🔗

I’m not sure, that’s something I can ask management.

287344 ▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Ben, 4, #1327 of 1418 🔗

That proves he’s exempt!

287405 ▶▶▶ annie, replying to Ben, 1, #1328 of 1418 🔗

Not to us. To the fools who go along with it.

287326 ▶▶ DRW, replying to Bart Simpson, 7, #1329 of 1418 🔗

Nice to hear Bart. I don’t think muzzles are that popular, most have been indifferent to my consistent maskfree states.

287339 ▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to DRW, 7, #1330 of 1418 🔗

Same here. I’ve not been bullied or harassed for awhile now and certainly I’m seeing more people on public transport not wearing them.

287327 ▶▶ Lisa (formerly) from Toronto, replying to Bart Simpson, 6, #1331 of 1418 🔗

So glad you had a good first day back! Hopefully your mask-free face will inspire some of the visitors to remove theirs.

287341 ▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to Lisa (formerly) from Toronto, 2, #1332 of 1418 🔗

Thanks a lot!!! That comment from that visitor shows that there are people waking up.

287403 ▶▶ annie, replying to Bart Simpson, 1, #1333 of 1418 🔗

Do keep us up to date with your experiences, Bart.

287584 ▶▶ TJN, replying to Bart Simpson, 1, #1334 of 1418 🔗

Thanks Bart. A tentatively encouraging report indicating that there may indeed be a tipping point somewhere in all this.

A report from someone like you dealing with the public is so much more illuminating than, for example, my anecdotal observations from a Tesco visit.

287316 DRW, replying to DRW, 34, #1335 of 1418 🔗

Evening all, had a good day today. I had to make a shopping trip today but there was a
small number of other maskfree shoppers. In one shop there were even three unmasked young women going round together, not seen that before. We all shared friendly smiles, I am admittedly unattractive but nevertheless pleased to see such a positive reaction. There was also an unmasked old guy on a bus, smoking too!

Unfortunately mask compliance is still around 97% and in one shop I made a woman standing next to me go wide eyed and clutch her muzzle. In another shop a prick in a Christmas patterned muzzle stroppy over “not enough space” at a display. No sign of any marshalls to annoy though.

All looked typically busy depsite being a supposedly Tier 3 Very High Red Zone. Guess we’re all dead in two weeks, oh well. Also I heard the Head Shoulders Knees And Toes propaganda on a radio, I now get how annoying it is.

287325 ▶▶ Lisa (formerly) from Toronto, replying to DRW, 11, #1336 of 1418 🔗

Glad you had a good day and remained muzzle free!

287337 ▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to DRW, 22, #1337 of 1418 🔗

We all shared friendly smiles, I am admittedly unattractive

In a shop, any unmuzzled smiling face is absolutely gorgeous!

Don’t put yourself down. Beauty comes from within.

287353 ▶▶▶ OKUK, replying to Cheezilla, 6, #1338 of 1418 🔗

I have never worn a mask as a face covering. I believe I have a valid exemption but even if I didn’t I would avoid wearing one. I dodge challenges in big supermarkets by wearing it as a chin strap, pretending I am in the process of putting it on as I enter the premises. The chin strap gambit really annoys a lot of mask wearers, which is a plus I feel!

287364 ▶▶▶▶ Hughie, replying to OKUK, 7, #1339 of 1418 🔗

Why do you do the chinstrap thing? Just don’t wear one! If anyone asks, say you’re exempt. Simple!

287417 ▶▶▶▶▶ OKUK, replying to Hughie, 3, #1340 of 1418 🔗

It’s up to the individual. I just don’t want be challenged every time I go to a big supermarket. I’ve challenged a couple of times when maskless. My tactic now is to immediately ask “is that OK?” after stating you are exempt. You are then asking a question of them.

287369 ▶▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to OKUK, 12, #1341 of 1418 🔗

I’ve never had one. I bought a lanyard when muzzles were first mandated and it lived at the bottom of my handbag. I’ve never worn it.

I realised recently that I don’t even think about muzzle-wearing nowadays and would be taken totally by surprise if I were challenged.

287350 ▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to DRW, 6, #1342 of 1418 🔗

Well done you!!! A smile is always beautiful regardless!

287360 ▶▶ Mabel Cow, replying to DRW, 18, #1343 of 1418 🔗

I think I managed to convert someone today when I was shopping in Sainsbury’s.

A young lady saw my unmuzzled face and my sheep-mask t-shirt and a moment later she too was unmuzzled!

It fair cheered me up, did that.

287370 ▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Mabel Cow, 1, #1344 of 1418 🔗

Well done!

287385 ▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to Mabel Cow, 4, #1345 of 1418 🔗

Great stuff!!!!

287466 ▶▶▶ Alethea, replying to Mabel Cow, #1346 of 1418 🔗

One more sheep leaves the fold, sashays out into the field and turns into a – take your pick. I like foxes; not everyone does. A badger? A deer? A deer would be good. It would bound off, leap the fence and be gone.

287401 ▶▶ annie, replying to DRW, 6, #1347 of 1418 🔗

Anybody not wearing a face nappy is madly attractive in my eyes. And Venus and Adonis, nappied, would be repulsive.

287502 ▶▶ Hugh, replying to DRW, #1348 of 1418 🔗

When are we going to get “Freedom Radio” (or whatever) with none of this nonsense on it? Vive la resistance!

287519 ▶▶ JHuntz, replying to DRW, #1349 of 1418 🔗

Mate the fairer sex by nature tend to get more compliments, you are probably a lot better looking than you give yourself credit. As a guy your charisma and how you carry yourself goes a long way and I’m sure your willingness to lead by example right now sets you apart. Keep the faith buddy it’s tough being a young guy but it only gets better I assure you.

287320 Ben, 6, #1350 of 1418 🔗
287322 OKUK, replying to OKUK, 18, #1351 of 1418 🔗

AMERICANT

The podcast that tells you everything that Jon and Emily have made herculean efforts to keep hidden from you, the British public.

1. A smoking gun? Focus is now on Georgia and in particular Fulton County and the State Farm Tabulation Centre . There is now video evidence confirming that after it was announced to poll monitors that counting was being discontinued for the night – allegedly because of a water leak (an excuse now shown to be bogus) – counting continued in secret, without poll monitors present. Large amounts of ballot papers were brought out from what looks like a suitcase from under a table. Don’t be taken in by the sophistry of the denials and innocent explanations of the Dems and their media mates. This is not normal, but it is highly suspicious.

2. Tying in with the above, during the night there was a batch of 23,000 votes, 98% for Biden. This stretches and breaks the limits of statistical probability. Biden claims to have “won” Georgia by just 10,000 votes or so, so this one dodgy batch could explain the “victory”.

3. Another interesting development: Gateway Pundit have a blockbuster story sourced from Taiwan alleging they have identified the printing house in China that printed up tens of thousands of ballot papers for use in US electoral fraud. It sounds too good to be true from a Trumpian point of view and might be a hoax. But there is documentary evidence including video and Web chat. Also, if anyone was going to be monitoring what the pro-China Biden-Clinton-Obama mafia were up to, it would be the Taiwanese secret services, who might then leak it through anti-Communist groups in Taiwan. So, watch this space.

4. The suggestion that Lord Malloch Brown (head of the company owning Smartmatics, the provider of the infamous software for the Dominion machines) was part of the [Hungarian-American philanthropist’s] influence network was dismissed by lowlife like Sopel as conspiracy theory nonsense. We now find that Malloch Brown has been appointed to lead the Open Society Foundation…and we all know whose baby that is.

287347 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to OKUK, 1, #1352 of 1418 🔗
287396 ▶▶ Stringfellow Hawke, replying to OKUK, #1353 of 1418 🔗

Also, unconfirmed reports that there was a firefight in Germany between US Army & rogue CIA operatives re: the seizing of a Dominion voting server. Apparently there were casualties.

287414 ▶▶▶ OKUK, replying to Stringfellow Hawke, 3, #1354 of 1418 🔗

All sorts of rumours…this is what happens when the media refuse to report on a story because it conflicts with their overarching narrative.

I’ve no doubt that the CIA have been involved in an orchestrated coup against Trump, not least because of the sheer venom and hatred expressed towards Trump by John Brennan, Head of the CIA at the time of his election – a wonder to behold and for why? Trump has always respected constitutional requirements and decisions of the Supreme Court.

287418 ▶▶ Ovis, replying to OKUK, #1355 of 1418 🔗

Thankyou for your updates on this, OKUK. Much appreciated here.

287340 TimeIsNow, replying to TimeIsNow, 5, #1356 of 1418 🔗

I wonder if every 2021 TV program and film will show the characters in masks?

287442 ▶▶ Lisa (formerly) from Toronto, replying to TimeIsNow, 2, #1357 of 1418 🔗

I can’t even bear the commercials with people in masks. No way will I subject myself to zombies as a form of entertainment, unless it’s sci fi. But your question is a good one and I’ve wondered about this myself!

287343 TimeIsNow, 1, #1358 of 1418 🔗

Or maybe they’ll prefer to pretend that Britain is still free.

287346 BeBopRockSteady, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 4, #1359 of 1418 🔗
287352 ▶▶ Ben, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 3, #1360 of 1418 🔗

Kids can’t say ‘No’. Aljazeera is just another establishment pro pharma MSM outlet

287351 Edward, replying to Edward, 13, #1361 of 1418 🔗

Idiot pundits on the Quest Football League highlights programme criticising Millwall fans for booing players kneeling in support of a far-left organisation. Also I won’t be going to matches any time soon with all the masks and temperatures checks – though it did appear that some fans let the masks slip during the match.

287361 ▶▶ JohnB, replying to Edward, 7, #1362 of 1418 🔗

On the Man Utd game and the Chelsea game I noticed they used the fake crowd noise for the kneeling in case there was any booing.

287374 ▶▶ OKUK, replying to Edward, 22, #1363 of 1418 🔗

Great news that football fans are fighting back against PC oppression and destruction of our culture. Let’s hope the first mutterings of protests reach gale force. If the police start arresting people for expressing their opinion about this violent and racist Far Left group then fans should retaliate by singing an appropriate song eg Rule Britannia. If that leads to arrests they should hum it – very loudly. There is nothing racist or abhorrent in opposing the BLM Bolsheviks. And there nothing wrong in hating the hypocrisy of multi millionaire prima donna footballers arguing for equality of outcome while building up their massive property portfolios.

287368 ▶▶ John Galt, replying to Bella Donna, 14, #1365 of 1418 🔗

What normally takes 10 years has been achieved in 10 months, and while vaccine development and testing has been fast-tracked, the biology of human beings remains the same – so you can’t fast track safety.

Perfectly put.

287394 ▶▶▶ Cambridge N, replying to John Galt, 3, #1366 of 1418 🔗

How is Dagny, John? Please give her my regards.

287443 ▶▶▶▶ Biker, replying to Cambridge N, #1367 of 1418 🔗

she must be about 100 years old by now, still i’d give her one

287390 Zak Thelotofem, 1, #1368 of 1418 🔗

Further to ‘swedenborg’s’ earlier comment about Ivermectin:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z5-S49EqCJ8&t=1390s

287409 swedenborg, replying to swedenborg, 4, #1369 of 1418 🔗

https://twitter.com/paldama/status/1334512752560394246

This Is an interesting view of expressing excess mortality each month and compare C-19 with the H3N2 pandemic flu 1968/9 and the heatwave 2003 in France.Deaths per million people each month 1968-2020.
The seasonal second wave C-19 much less excess deaths and coming down.The first wave C-19 not worse than pandemic HongKong flu when there were no lockdowns and normal life. Although elderly were also most affected in HongKong flu much more young and middle age persons died in Hong Kong flu compared to C-19.The very localized heatwave death summer 2003 is clearly shown.

287426 ▶▶ OKUK, replying to swedenborg, 1, #1370 of 1418 🔗

Those “circograms” – or whatecer they are properly called – are very helpful in understanding mortality figures, especially where there are seasonal effects. Probably why you don’t see them on MSM TV.

287444 ▶▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to OKUK, #1371 of 1418 🔗

If it has no bar graph with a big curve going up sharply over the next two weeks, well its just not news

287424 Liam, replying to Liam, #1372 of 1418 🔗

Hitchens latest is up early. It’s not his best to be honest, much as I admire him.

https://hitchensblog.mailonsunday.co.uk/

287451 ▶▶ calchas, replying to Liam, #1373 of 1418 🔗

Pretty good I thought Liam, although more about wokeness tha covid.

I thought his point about a complete change of character underneath a seemingly unchanging exterior was well made.

287461 ▶▶▶ Liam, replying to calchas, #1374 of 1418 🔗

I’m a fan but thought he phoned that one in a bit personally. He’s been outstanding throughout this, I’m certainly not criticising him.

287429 annie, replying to annie, 1, #1375 of 1418 🔗

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287495 ▶▶ Hugh, replying to annie, #1376 of 1418 🔗

not defeated 🙂

287434 arfurmo, replying to arfurmo, 6, #1377 of 1418 🔗

Apologies if already posted but serious risk of infection in Nottingham https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-nottinghamshire-55192902
I just love “Gail Ross, from Mapperley Park, said: “This virus is a killer – what does the council not understand about that?”
Lynn Farmer, 56, from Chilwell, said: “I usually go, but no chance this year. I had Covid and, believe me, it’s horrendous.
“How on earth are we going to get rid of this terrifying virus if [everyone goes]?”
How can a 56 year old who has had it have anyhting to fear?

287438 ▶▶ Liam, replying to arfurmo, 6, #1378 of 1418 🔗

These people are morons.

287462 ▶▶ Ben, replying to arfurmo, 4, #1379 of 1418 🔗

A virus so terrifying people have to be tested to see if they have it or not. And if they do have it they need to stay at home for two weeks.

Simpleton brain cell structure is ‘terrifying’

287437 Monty Bodkin, 7, #1380 of 1418 🔗

Just logged on for the first time today and seen David Warburton’s comprehensive explanation of why he voted against the Govt. last week. I’m sure this has been discussed at length already but I thought I’d add my late evening appreciation for Mr. Warburton’s terrific summary of all that’s wrong with the ongoing restrictions.
I’m copying the salient points and adding them to yet another letter to my own MP (Simon Fell) who claims that his libertarian instincts are troubled but keeps on toeing the Party line. He stopped replying to me but that’s no reason why I should stop being the voice of his conscience.
The petition covered in todays LS (above) demanding no penalties for refusing the vaccine is now approaching 290,000 signatures. Everyone here signed it?
https://petition.parliament.uk/petitions/323442

287447 godowneasy, replying to godowneasy, 6, #1382 of 1418 🔗

great BBC propaganda photo – just look how tirelessly poor old shabby Boris is working to save everyone from the rona AND sort out brexit at the same time. Like a Dickens character who hasn’t seen a bath in months, working by candlelight with a joint in his hand while the beastly well-dressed european van der whotsit sits in luxury in her well lighted apartment mocking him. we are all in safe hands and can rest easy.

287459 ▶▶ Alethea, replying to godowneasy, 1, #1383 of 1418 🔗

You are funny.
I think there’s something very suggestive about the contrasting blonde coiffeurs as well. His is authentic, breathing stress and ethical commitment. Hers speaks of a fin-de-siecle attachment to the hairdresser’s salon.
Also, is Boris pre-telephone technology? Communicating by the sacred word of mouth alone?

287469 ▶▶▶ godowneasy, replying to Alethea, 1, #1384 of 1418 🔗

“contrasting blonde coiffeurs” – no van der whotsit is choiffeured, Boris sports a an authentic untrimmed hedge.

287468 ▶▶ Leemc23, replying to godowneasy, 1, #1385 of 1418 🔗

If we were not both part of the G7 & G20 I would be soooooooooo worried about Brexit. Load of old bollocks.

287450 BeBopRockSteady, #1386 of 1418 🔗

Covid emergency data deals extended by 5 years

https://www.opendemocracy.net/en/we-need-answers-about-five-year-nhs-data-deals-big-tech/

Every crisis and all that

287453 A. Contrarian, replying to A. Contrarian, 3, #1387 of 1418 🔗

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2020/12/05/freedom-loving-conservative-cant-wait-get-us-back-living-personal/

Something to look forward to. Hancock speculates that one day he might be able to think about telling us when we could possibly be set free…

The next challenge for Mr Hancock will be persuading enough of us to take the vaccine. A major public information celebrity-led campaign similar to the Government’s “Stay Home. Protect the NHS. Save Lives” and “Hands, Face, Space” campaigns will start in the next fortnight.

It is likely to be fronted by “a combination of clinicians, trusted voices amongst the public” as well as “those of us who’ve made decisions about it. There is a public appetite for us to put our jabs where our mouths are”.

The Health Secretary adds: “We want to encourage people. I say to anyone who can help us to persuade the public that vaccination is a good thing – when the NHS calls you, come forward and show the confidence in the science that has been proved to work.”

However it will take several weeks before the vaccine takes effect after being administered, and he cautions that vaccinated people could still pass on the disease. This means the “elbow bump greeting might be here for a while”, he adds.

Nevertheless, he is happy to speculate that one day he will be able to set a date for a “liberation day” when Britons will be freed of Covid restrictions.

“I’m a freedom-loving Conservative, and I can’t wait for us to get back to living by mutual respect and personal responsibility not laws set in Parliament,” he says.
“At some point, we’ll be able to set the date when we can get rid of these restrictions – and you couldn’t have said that only two weeks ago.”

287457 ▶▶ godowneasy, replying to A. Contrarian, 2, #1388 of 1418 🔗

I really hope they don’t drag in Sir McCartney – I really don’t want to burn my Beatles cds.

287458 ▶▶ Liam, replying to A. Contrarian, 17, #1389 of 1418 🔗

Fucking loathsome little shitbag. Fuck off Hancock.

287460 ▶▶▶ Alethea, replying to Liam, 7, #1390 of 1418 🔗

I think that just about covers it

287482 ▶▶▶ OKUK, replying to Liam, 2, #1391 of 1418 🔗

That’s a very reasonable comment in the circumstances.

287488 ▶▶▶ Ceriain, replying to Liam, 1, #1392 of 1418 🔗

Got that just about right.

287467 ▶▶ Leemc23, replying to A. Contrarian, 3, #1393 of 1418 🔗

Wonder what his wife’s ex husbands step sisters cousins godmother might say ?

287484 ▶▶▶ OKUK, replying to Leemc23, 1, #1394 of 1418 🔗

The one you wept copious tears over when she got her tit caught in the mangle, that one?

287470 ▶▶ Biker, replying to A. Contrarian, 4, #1395 of 1418 🔗

The science worshipers are the same as priests hundreds of years ago claiming you can’t argue with them about the bible because they were the only ones who could read it so you must trust them

287485 ▶▶▶ OKUK, replying to Biker, 1, #1396 of 1418 🔗

Exactly! Science and spirituality are both wonderful paths to knowledge but dogma is like a black lowering cloud that blocks out the sun.

287471 ▶▶ Wank Crapcock, replying to A. Contrarian, #1397 of 1418 🔗

Hahahahahaha! What a slimy little twat. His days are numbered.

287478 ▶▶ Jez Hewitt, replying to A. Contrarian, 2, #1398 of 1418 🔗

Fucking “persuade”?

Matt, I’m confused. Why would we possibly need persuading, it’s safe right? Do you think something has gone wrong with the campaign, is it the wording? What does Bill think about all this?

You’re a right honourable cunt and I can’t wait for this to be over so I can give you a hug. Like I said, I’m confused.

287479 ▶▶ OKUK, replying to A. Contrarian, 1, #1399 of 1418 🔗

Message to Matt: FO pratt.

287487 ▶▶ Ceriain, replying to A. Contrarian, 2, #1400 of 1418 🔗

What a pile of steaming horse’s… especially this bit:

the science that has been proved to work

He doesn’t even know how vaccines work: 😉

 put our jabs where our mouths are

He knows no-one wants this shit:

anyone who can help us to persuade the public that vaccination is a good thing

Fuck off, Matt

287494 ▶▶ Hugh, replying to A. Contrarian, #1401 of 1418 🔗

Please can someone do a spoof of this campaign?

Something along the lines of “put your bucks where our mates are”, or “the science that has been proved to work because any death within 28 days of taking ‘the vaccine’ definitely isn’t a vaccine death – let alone 9 months”

287498 ▶▶▶ Ceriain, replying to Hugh, 1, #1402 of 1418 🔗

Can certainly do a 28 day vaccine death thingie for you. Posted before…

287506 ▶▶▶▶ Hugh, replying to Ceriain, #1403 of 1418 🔗

Excellent! I wonder if this will make it onto the BBC?

287454 Voz 0db, replying to Voz 0db, #1404 of 1418 🔗
287464 ▶▶ Buck Foris, replying to Voz 0db, #1405 of 1418 🔗

Just after this they were completely surrounded as the crowd pelted them with missiles and fireworks. Some of those boys in blue will be wondering if they get paid enough to die on the street. We are weeks away from SHTF if things carry on like this.

287456 calchas, 4, #1406 of 1418 🔗

“In Ontario, those of us who still dare to question this narrative are becoming increasingly isolated and marginalized. It is amazing to see how quickly people have chosen their side on this matter and how unwavering their devotion to their cause can be. Whether it is a shut down for two weeks, 4 weeks, 3 months, masks all the time, everything closed or even an experimental vaccine, it does not matter. “We’re all in this together”. Anyone who disagrees is either reckless, selfish, stupid or all of the above.”

https://off-guardian.org/2020/12/05/together-but-falling-apart/

How it feels to be a sceptic seemingly surrounded by believers.

I think he is too pessimistic, but a fine and thoughtful piece.

287463 calchas, 6, #1407 of 1418 🔗

“Both US and EU authorities and presumably also Chinese, waived the standard animal tests using ferrets or mice and have gone straight to human “guinea pigs.” Human tests began in late July and early August. Three months is unheard of for testing a new vaccine. Several years is the norm. Because of the degree of global panic engendered by WHO over the coronavirus, caution is thrown to the wind. Vaccine makers all have legal indemnity, meaning they can’t be sued if people die or are maimed from the new vaccine. But the most alarming fact about the new Pfizer-BioNTech gene edited vaccine is that the gene edited mRNA for human vaccine application has never before been approved. Notably, two year peer reviewed tests with mice fed genetically modified corn sprayed with Monsanto glyphosate-rich Roundup first showed cancer tumors after nine months as well as liver and other organ damage. Earlier Monsanto company tests ended at three months and claimed no harm . A similar situation exists with the gene edited mRNA vaccines that are being rushed out after less than 90 days human tests.”

….

Dr. Romeo Quijano , retired professor of Pharmacology and Toxicology at the College of Medicine, University of the Philippines Manila, noted some of the dangers of the experimental gene editing when applied to human vaccines. Quijano warns of,

“the danger that the vaccine might actually “enhance” the pathogenicity of the virus, or make it more aggressive possibly due to antibody-dependent enhancement (ADE), as what happened with previous studies on test vaccines in animals. If that should happen in a major human trial the outcome could be disastrous. This serious adverse effect may not even be detected by a clinical trial especially in highly biased clinical trials laden with conflicts of interest involving vaccine companies. Even when a serious adverse event is detected, this is usually swept under the rug.”

https://www.globalresearch.ca/what-not-said-pfizer-coronavirus-vaccine/5729461

287477 OKUK, 3, #1408 of 1418 🔗

AMERICANT UPDATE

Finally I think we can say this is a genuine smoking gun. It looks like we have captured on video the palming of a voting machine USB between three people. Google on “BenBC Ruby/Shaye Freeman”. Apparently Ruby Freeman is also the woman seen handling the “suitcase of votes” in another video.

If someone can upload the video here, that will be great.

One thing one can say for certain is that Jon Sopel won’t be smiling when he sees it and he won’t be reporting on it either.

287483 Old Normal, replying to Old Normal, 4, #1409 of 1418 🔗

Let’s pretend for a moment that all the vaccine percentage data is in fact correct.

In this scenario, Hatt Mancock has ordered the largest number of the least effective vaccine for everyone in the UK.

I thought we were meant to be protecting granny, not potentially giving her the worst vaccine option of the three.

287489 ▶▶ Winston Smith, replying to Old Normal, 6, #1410 of 1418 🔗

A vaccine for a disease with a 0.12% mortality rate…….?

287493 ▶▶▶ Old Normal, replying to Winston Smith, 3, #1411 of 1418 🔗

I don’t agree with any vaccine for this virus. I was just putting myself in their shoes.

For those people who believe it’s needed, the government has fucked them over by choosing to buy more of the Oxford vaccine which wasn’t ready first and is the least effective (this will be miles short of anything like 90% for all three).

“At least it doesn’t need a special freezer! ” the government will tell anyone who listens.

And they will nod, tell their Auntie Doris all about the freezer and roll up their sleeves.

287492 ▶▶ Ovis, replying to Old Normal, 3, #1412 of 1418 🔗

Granny? Granny? Who the fuck is granny?

Granny was never the point. Obvs. But what was?

I think all the money to be made in pharmaceutical stocks this year is already banked. What’s left for this bullshit?

Congrats to HMG in recognising that the vaccine would have to get out PDQ before the entire country demonstrably had herd immunity. But the narrative is running on fumes. They’re already much too late.

287490 BJJ, replying to BJJ, 5, #1413 of 1418 🔗

There is a lull now. A draw. All they are doing is bad for them. So we just keep saying it´s all a lie. On and on. And the mistakes begin. It is always about the mistakes. And they are always made at the end.

287496 ▶▶ Ceriain, replying to BJJ, 5, #1414 of 1418 🔗

There is a lull now.

You know what, BJJ; there is. I reckon they know the vaccine’s a no go with the public and they’re bricking it. Could be wrong; could just be quiet because they and the MSM are watching the Brexit talks.

287497 ▶▶▶ calchas, replying to Ceriain, 6, #1415 of 1418 🔗

I see no way that enough of the public wull accept a vaccine to allow the politicians to claim success.

287499 ▶▶▶▶ Ceriain, replying to calchas, 4, #1416 of 1418 🔗

Would certainly be interesting to see what their ‘private’ polling says, and not the fiddled YouGov shit.

287503 ▶▶▶▶▶ calchas, replying to Ceriain, 4, #1417 of 1418 🔗

Have just been looking at DT comments. It gets more like this place every day.

287504 calchas, 4, #1418 of 1418 🔗

In my opinion we have now reached peak pandemic.

There is a growing realization among a large section of the public that it is all bullshit. Don’t listen to what people say, watch what they do. Ever fewer people are scared of ‘the deadly virus’.

In winter people tend to hibernate a bit so it could remain quiet for a while.

However, come late March, if nothing changes much, then the openly expressed public mood could turn on a sixpence, As the weather warms up we are looking in my view at civil disturbances.

Part of our work has to be, to make people realize that the vaccine will not return us to normality. As soon as people realize that then the ‘pissed off’ quotient will rise.

We shall prevail.

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