2020-12-06

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287505 Ceriain, replying to Ceriain, 15, #1 of 1437 🔗

In before Judy Watson. 😉

287507 Bailie, 6, #3 of 1437 🔗

And me

287508 Bailie, replying to Bailie, 25, #4 of 1437 🔗

Wouldn’t it be great to get a truth drug into Boris and co,s, then sit back and listen.

287510 ▶▶ Hugh, replying to Bailie, 10, #5 of 1437 🔗

Morning all (or night, going to bed shortly – in theory)
I’m jumping the gun again!
Apparently politicians are expert at telling “the truth” – not telling a direct and verifiable lie, but skillfully picking out those non-lies that fit their agenda. So yes, it would be interesting to sit back and listen. I most admire those politicians who don’t try and evade the question so that, like ’em or loath ’em, at least you’re getting an honest answer. Maybe they’ll use that drug at Nuremberg mark II.

Just seen the headline about dnr orders. That’s jolly well diabolical!

288225 ▶▶▶ richard riewer, replying to Hugh, #6 of 1437 🔗

You are now paying for Murderers Inc.

287556 ▶▶ annie, replying to Bailie, 6, #7 of 1437 🔗

Their brains don’t encompass the concept of truth.

288255 ▶▶▶ Binra, replying to annie, #8 of 1437 🔗

They see ‘others’ only in terms of mental judgements that operate as ‘reality’!

288150 ▶▶ Adam, replying to Bailie, 1, #9 of 1437 🔗

We will have a long wait I would like to see what it would do to the likes of Blair or the Clinton’s

288261 ▶▶▶ Binra, replying to Adam, 1, #10 of 1437 🔗

Whereas with Jesus you can simply ask…

288260 ▶▶ Binra, replying to Bailie, 1, #11 of 1437 🔗

Do you think he is anywhere near to the insiders who set outer narratives ofr the outer rings that set outer narratives for the outer rings?
One way or another he is bought and has sold out to an offer he cant refuse.
In my view he has been long groomed for the job. Who would expect such a buffoonery to deliver such a sinister systemic mind trap?

287511 Judy Watson, replying to Judy Watson, 10, #12 of 1437 🔗

AAAARGH just logged on didn’t get the notification on my e-mail.
Good morning everyone

287512 ▶▶ Hugh, replying to Judy Watson, 3, #13 of 1437 🔗

Good morning to you. And how are things on the other side?
(You’re North American right?)

287653 ▶▶▶ Stephanos, replying to Hugh, 1, #14 of 1437 🔗

Actually, Judy lives in Thailand and is a British ex-pat,

288943 ▶▶▶ Judy Watson, replying to Hugh, #15 of 1437 🔗

Hi Hugh -no I am British but I live in Thailand – currently 7 hours ahead of GMT

287513 Judy Watson, replying to Judy Watson, 22, #16 of 1437 🔗

I am in two minds about the DNAR letters. I made a ‘living will’ when I was 54 and keep it updated every three to four years. That said I do find it abhorrent that the NHS can fund nurses to go out and do this to people and who decides what frailty is?

287514 ▶▶ Hugh, replying to Judy Watson, 12, #17 of 1437 🔗

The thing is, the customer is always right. Lucy pays for this service. Shr should be the one in charge of this process, her family should be kept informed unless she directs otherwise. “Do no harm” – if someone’s heart stops and you do not attempt to resuscitate them, what is that? And for whom is it done? Reminds me of the coastguard who was reprimanded for going up a cliff to save a girl and later reprimanded for breaking safety rules (and later quit). Who makes these rules? What checks and balances are there? And what happened in our care homes earlier this year was evil.

I think of the Pole in a coma since the 1980]s who woke up many years later and was kept alive by his wife (wasn’t he surprised that the USSR was gone!). The people who’d have just “let him die” or not resuscitated him – ugh!

287515 ▶▶▶ Hugh, replying to Hugh, 13, #18 of 1437 🔗

So once and for all: asymptomatic transmission; presymptomatic transmission – what difference, and how many people actually die?

And if the answer is a negligible number, is this whole omnishambles a sham? Cui bono indeed!

287883 ▶▶▶▶ Rowan, replying to Hugh, 5, #19 of 1437 🔗

Cui bono indeed!

Bill Gates and all those he bribes. There’s an awful lot to go at there.

287541 ▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Judy Watson, 3, #20 of 1437 🔗

Included in my phone contacts

ICE-DNR, my body, my choice.

287516 Digital Nomad, replying to Digital Nomad, #21 of 1437 🔗

Much as I despise the lockdown, I deem public defiance of it having finally gained a head of steam.
It is time for this website to be renamed as ‘vaccine sceptics’ and to redirect its focus on what will be THE pressing issue for 2021.

287527 ▶▶ Andrea Salford, replying to Digital Nomad, 44, #22 of 1437 🔗

Not sure I can agree. We are still in lockdowns and still more are threatened so this battle is far from over. ‘Vaccine sceptics’ isn’t necessarily the right banner, the concern is freedom of choice without coercion or threat to liberty which does encompass scepticism of this vaccine but not necessarily the concept of vaccines. Also a website called ‘Vaccine Sceptics’ probably wouldn’t get past the censors.

287529 ▶▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Andrea Salford, 23, #23 of 1437 🔗

As Doctor Vernon Coleman discovered, every video he posted that included the word vaccine in the title or content got deleted by YouTube, he had to resort to saying ‘stuff’ as a code word.

287772 ▶▶▶▶ Barney McGrew, replying to karenovirus, 17, #24 of 1437 🔗

That’s an irony that would be lost on many people, I think. As Eleanor Roosevelt said: Great minds discuss ideas; average minds discuss events; small minds discuss people

It’s my honest belief that the readers of LS are effectively outing themselves as the first category. In many cases, they don’t even know they are in that category. Their jobs and status in society might not give any indication of it.

Because society is very much run by the second and third categories. These people are actually blind to ideas, and the things that the people in the first category understand. Ideas people aren’t always huge successes in life because the people in charge simply don’t notice them. Ideas people cannot understand how the people who occupy the top positions in society, often with educational qualifications to match, cannot understand what they are saying about the C19 disaster.

And so the second rate minds at Google or wherever think that if they censor words (a.k.a. reporting of ‘facts’ or ‘events’ or gossip about people), they are doing the job of suppressing ‘misinformation’ about vaccines or whatever else they think should be suppressed. They probably really think that if a Youtuber substitutes a different word for vaccine, then that it is OK: the misinformation has been stopped. They are completely blind to the fact that the ideas get through virtually unchanged and that the Youtuber was only intending to convey ideas in the first place.

288229 ▶▶▶▶▶ richard riewer, replying to Barney McGrew, 1, #25 of 1437 🔗

What do government ministers and back benchers discuss?

288944 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ karenovirus, replying to richard riewer, #26 of 1437 🔗

Parliamentary pay rises and perks

288432 ▶▶▶▶▶ Binra, replying to Barney McGrew, 2, #27 of 1437 🔗

I prefer to leave out the ‘personal greatness’ judgement and simply see that one can stop short as reaction within masking personae; look past that – in recognition of events as contexts or conditions in which such personal patterns of reaction are triggered or set into motion, and beneath all symptoms to the underlying structure of beliefs, narrative definitions and ideas that are actively given investment of identity, allegiance and support.

The invested idea of vaccination is of the same archetype as sacrifice to gods or limiting, mitigating or escaping, feared outcome or consequences by pre-empting in part or onto scapegoats or surrogates.

There are endless examples of this attitude that effectively mean we do unto ourself some part of what we fear, expect or believe Other does to us.

It also operates as doing the very thing we accuse in the Other – while claiming self-exceptional moral justification or necessity.

That the ‘power in the world’ is investing unlimited resources to reset the mind and install a new operating system suggests to me that idea is being used as weapon, leverage and control. In other words a masking manipulation over the truly Current.

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https://willingness-to-listen.blogspot.com/2020/12/doing-very-thing-we-accuse-in-other.html

287889 ▶▶▶▶ Rowan, replying to karenovirus, #28 of 1437 🔗

Yes, but they still kicked him off Youtube.

287996 ▶▶▶▶▶ Voz 0db, replying to Rowan, 2, #29 of 1437 🔗

He migrated to the STILL free videoland

https://www.bitchute.com/channel/oIqNJgc4Q7Ry/

288298 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Rowan, replying to Voz 0db, 1, #30 of 1437 🔗

And he can be seen on “Brand New Tube” where he gets star billing.

288945 ▶▶▶▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Rowan, #31 of 1437 🔗

No, his channel is still there. He pops back now and again with short highly circumspect clips reminding us where to find him

288152 ▶▶▶▶ Adam, replying to karenovirus, 1, #32 of 1437 🔗

We do need an alternative to youtube twitter facebook etc

288282 ▶▶▶▶▶ Rowan, replying to Adam, #33 of 1437 🔗

They already exist.

287540 ▶▶▶ NorthumbrianNomad, replying to Andrea Salford, 27, #34 of 1437 🔗

the concern is freedom of choice without coercion or threat to liberty which does encompass scepticism of this vaccine but not necessarily the concept of vaccines”

Precisely.

287564 ▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to Andrea Salford, 20, #35 of 1437 🔗

Well said. The issue with lockdowns and vaccines is with regards to our freedoms and that’s what we’re fighting for.

287598 ▶▶▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Bart Simpson, 35, #36 of 1437 🔗

The huge level of compliance with lockdown and anti-social distancing encouraged them to bring the vaccine forward before that habit of compliance began to collapse.

287822 ▶▶▶▶▶ Sodastream, replying to karenovirus, 7, #37 of 1437 🔗

Good point

287886 ▶▶▶ Rowan, replying to Andrea Salford, #38 of 1437 🔗

What censors?

287988 ▶▶▶▶ Voz 0db, replying to Rowan, #39 of 1437 🔗

I don’t even know what “censors” means?!

287538 ▶▶ NorthumbrianNomad, replying to Digital Nomad, 34, #40 of 1437 🔗

I am a lockdown sceptic, but I am not a vaccine sceptic. That’s why I’ve been very quiet over the past couple of days. So if vaccine scepticism is where the site is going, I’ll be heading elsewhere. Vaccine scepticism is just the latest – and most pernicious – distraction from the real disaster of the new totalitarianism.

287560 ▶▶▶ annie, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, 32, #41 of 1437 🔗

Please don’t leave us, NN. There are legitimate concerns about this vaccine, and it is utterly bound up with the rest of the tyranny, because we are now being told that the magic jab won’t delivers us from muzzles, isolation, or any of the other curreent miseries.

287562 ▶▶▶▶ karenovirus, replying to annie, 23, #42 of 1437 🔗

I reminded a vaccine fan yesterday that Wan Tan has said taking the vaccine won’t stop lockdown for years.
They looked terribly disappointed.

287660 ▶▶▶ Jonathan Palmer, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, 25, #43 of 1437 🔗

I’ve had vaccines in the past.What I won’t be taking is a rushed one for a virus that is not that dangerous.
It’s not a distraction, the vaccine is the key to the whole new world of totalitarianism.It will lead to the health passport and the end of freedom.The current restrictions are temporary.This will make them permanent.

287715 ▶▶▶▶ Marialta, replying to Jonathan Palmer, 12, #44 of 1437 🔗

I agree, there are new facets to this vaccination programme surfacing all the time so we have to try to keep one step ahead and look at the whole picture. For example there is now the worrying issue of how the data on our vaccination status is being stored and shared.
Now we have seen proof of the compliance possible in society, private firms and influential people will jump on the bandwagon and fuel the invention of bio technology to market at general public.

288291 ▶▶▶▶▶ sam, replying to Marialta, 5, #45 of 1437 🔗

that is excatly why i didn’t trust this vaccine thing from the beginning is gates hes behind ‘ golden rice ‘ GM, GMO ‘ food’ which i won’t touch now that i know about it . and we got called anti science all the time

287681 ▶▶▶ Lyndsay, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, 11, #46 of 1437 🔗

Maybe, but there are issues with this vaccine even for those who are very much pro-vaccine ordinarily. At the very least imo we should have freedom to choose or not. From a more utilitarian pov (the one keen pro-vaxxers like to use), there could be implications eg fact we do not know yet if it reduces transmission could tthe sensitizing issue make things worse beyond the individual concerned?

287791 ▶▶▶ Barney McGrew, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, 10, #47 of 1437 🔗

Really?

For me there is a world of difference between good, honourable people coming up with a weapon to battle a scourge of society (smallpox, say), and a political stunt such as the Covid vaccine.

As today’s article about the ‘Covid pantomime’ implies, the people pushing the vaccine are just as much unthinking ‘pro-vaxxers’ as the ‘anti-vaxxers’ you despise. And this should worry you.

On the other hand, the more people who take it, the bigger the resistance to future lockdowns is likely to be, even among the bovine masses.

287799 ▶▶▶ Mutineer, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, 24, #48 of 1437 🔗

This is nothing to do with a vaccine. Vaccines were meant to protect you from a deadly disease and prevent the spread of it. Covid-19 is not a deadly disease. It kills less than 1% and at an average age of 82. The vaccine doesn’t mean the end of muzzles, the end of isolation if you’ve been in contact and doesn’t stop you actually getting Cvid-19 (ie flu) We had a worse flu 2 years ago. No restrictions at all. This is the aim all along. Mandatory vaccination and for what? None, whatsoever. Giving a vaccine to the elderly is pointless as their immune systems are too weak. Once this bill is passed we might as well wear armbands and ring a bell and shout ‘Unclean’. We won’t be allowed in shops and may even be refused deliveries. What next? Baskets of donated food we have to haul up from windows? In future, they will be able to target specific groups with specific vaccines and this IS the intent. Control. Vaccination is now nothing to do with healthcare and just about profits and control. Welcome to North Korea or China. If this passes we will have bricks through our windows and face violence in the streets. Blamed for the entire fiasco.

287952 ▶▶▶ JustMe, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, 18, #49 of 1437 🔗

I think we need to be careful of the words we see and hear and of those words we use, because the powers that be have been busy changing the meanings of some words.
For eaxample, 12 months ago a ‘case’ was a person who displayed symptoms and needed treatment. Not any more. A ‘pandemic’ was a dangerous disease. Not any more. And 12 months ago a vaccine was an injection of a tiny amount of a live virus intented to trigger antibodies in the immune system. Not any more, with the four front runners being suppressants, which have more in common with cough medicine than a traditional vaccine.

287960 ▶▶▶ Rowan, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, 9, #50 of 1437 🔗

The Covid-19 “pandemic” since day one, has been all about pumping vaccines into our bodies as soon as was practically possible. The lockdowns and all the other half-arsed restrictions are simply there as a way to piss people off and have them clamouring for the “new normality” bringing vaccines. Those that can’t or won’t see that liability free and hardly tested Covid vaccines are an essential part of the new totalitarianism seem to have been wasting their time for the past ten months and more importantly they are wasting ours as well.

Scepticism in regard to the plethora of highly experimental mRNA vaccines, about to be unleashed upon an unsuspecting public, is not only sensible, it should be obligatory for right thinking people.

You seem to be using the “fact checkers” ploy of dismissing vaccine scepticism as something that is beyond the pale and can be waved away like a bad smell. This is both arrogant and smacks of controlled opposition tactically. If you feel you have to go elsewhere, then just go.

288140 ▶▶▶▶ sam, replying to Rowan, 6, #51 of 1437 🔗

i was too mild ,i agree rowan, thank you for writing this .i think your own immune system is the best defense rather than vaccines ive never had a flu vaccine and i never will and the idea of enforced vaccines is horrifying to me. will have to read 1984 now !

288239 ▶▶▶▶ richard riewer, replying to Rowan, #52 of 1437 🔗

Maybe he’s a Change Agent.

287977 ▶▶▶ sam, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, 9, #53 of 1437 🔗

i hope you will not leave too , i think i am a vaccine sceptic in general actually , but especially this one because i read it is RNA ,DNA altering or something unlike im supposing the small pox and polio vaccines i had as a child . i do believe our own immune system is the best defense and a healthy immune system needs a healthy diet exercise fresh air sunlight , getting colds to strenthen your immune system and seeing our friends and family which we are being denied by this takeover of our freedom .so glad for lockdown scpetics and everyone here the articles the comments and a t the lockdown protests

288004 ▶▶▶▶ Voz 0db, replying to sam, 4, #54 of 1437 🔗

Our own organism has assimilated “viral” RNA since animals with DNA exist on this Planet!

When needed the organism translates “viral” endogenous RNA (making this simple!) into “viral” proteins to stimulate its Immune System.

Supplying your own organism with the TOOLS it needs to FUNCTION properly is the ONLY way to live. Clearly the vast majority hasn’t got a clue!

288007 ▶▶▶ Voz 0db, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, 3, #55 of 1437 🔗

On the part of distraction… I agree with you.
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The Secular Ruling Families & Billionaires have all this WELL PREPARED and TRAINED…

They are probably even feeling a little bit of surprise in relation to the ABSOLUTE SUCCESS that OPERATION COVID achieved, since Their last attempts to use “pandemics” to RESHAPE Their Civilization FAILED MISERABLY!

So on that part, indeed we are distracting ourselves since the start of the Year 2020.

And has I’ve been saying:

At this point reality is very SIMPLE: It’s either KILL or be culled.

Until several Jedburgh’s actions aren’t executed nothing will change except the things the SRF & Billionaires via jesters want to CHANGE!

288023 ▶▶▶ Mark, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, 7, #56 of 1437 🔗

I am a lockdown sceptic, but I am not a vaccine sceptic . “

Same here, if by “vaccine sceptic” you mean either of two positions: first, a general opposition to vaccines per se, or second, a belief that this vaccine is something more intentionally harmful than an insufficiently tested medication. I am a vaccine sceptic in the sense that I regard vaccination as a medical treatment like any other – to be justified or not on a case by case basis, with a general presumption against medication unless the case is made.

That said, I have no problem personally with sharing the comment section here with lots of people who believe either of those first two positions.

Above the line , I don’t think you need have any cause for concern. Fundamentally this is Toby Young’s blog, and I think his positions are pretty conventional on these issues, outside obviously of the basic lockdown scepticism that the site is titled for.

As for stay or go you must clearly make your own choice, as we all do. The site either suits you or it doesn’t.

288033 ▶▶▶ Mark, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, 15, #57 of 1437 🔗

As a separate point, I don’t see resistance to this vaccine as at all incompatible with lockdown scepticism. Leaving aside the fact that the vaccine has been rushed through without the usual precautions base on a spurious supposed emergency, the reality is that this vaccine will be used to justify lockdown retroactively. They will claim that “the lockdowns saved us until the vaccines came along”. That was always their promise and the counter argument to the basic point that locking down only postpones infections.

So, politically, these vaccines are a disaster and they will if “successful” ensure that lockdown becomes a standard tool in the governmental policy set for responding to new infections.

That is the future we face at the moment..

288521 ▶▶▶▶ Borisbullshit, replying to Mark, 3, #58 of 1437 🔗

Very well expressed I think.

288648 ▶▶▶▶ Sophie123, replying to Mark, 3, #59 of 1437 🔗

Dominic Lawson in The Sunday Times today says exactly that – the lockdowns were necessary and now the vaccine.
FFS. The man is a pea brain.

288144 ▶▶▶ Cheshirecatslave, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, 4, #60 of 1437 🔗

I most likely will get it eventually if the virus hasn’t died out by then,but I do not wish to be a guinea pig for an untried technology.I shall endeavour to find out how enthusiastic friends who want it quickly fare. I usually do get vaccines on offer. I’ve also no desire to go to a “centre” and vaccinated by some hastily trained person. If I have it, I want the nurse at my local GP practice to administer it. I’m concerned about a friend who believes as a care worker she’ll be forced to have it. I strongly oppose any form of compulsion.

288235 ▶▶▶▶ Rowan, replying to Cheshirecatslave, 10, #61 of 1437 🔗

The Covid-19 pandemic no longer exists, if indeed it ever did, so why on earth would anyone choose to be injected with a concoction, the purpose of which is not to prevent an infection.

288250 ▶▶▶▶ richard riewer, replying to Cheshirecatslave, 6, #62 of 1437 🔗

If we believe that the virus scare was overhyped then we cannot accept to be cured by a rushed, untested vaccine.

288206 ▶▶▶ Caroline Watson, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, 13, #63 of 1437 🔗

Exactly. It seems to me that many of the most fervent lockdown and mask supporters have become vaccine sceptics, presumably because they don’t want it to be over. They will no longer have an excuse to lock up the working class, avoid work themselves, implement cycle lanes, undermine the government and blame Brexit.
The main issue for me is about freedom of choice and privacy of data. If I have the vaccine, it will be a choice made by balancing the risks to me against the benefits to my own life, to my very old parents and older friends. I don’t care about people I don’t know. If I had serious health problems, which I don’t, I would want to make that decision in consultation with a doctor, as I would any other medical treatment. I would then expect the record that I had had it to be kept by the NHS, in accordance with data protection laws, and released only to other parts of the NHS on a need to know basis; if I needed hospital treatment, for example. It should not be made available for commercial companies for commercial purposes and no one should be excluded from a commercial enterprise or service because they hadn’t had it. Pregnant women and those wanting to be pregnant are advised not to have it. Excluding women of childbearing age from jobs, businesses and services would take us back to the nineteenth century. This must be knocked on the head now.

288582 ▶▶▶▶ AshesThanDust, replying to Caroline Watson, 3, #64 of 1437 🔗

Pregnant women and those wanting to be pregnant are advised not to have it. Excluding women of childbearing age from jobs, businesses and services would take us back to the nineteenth century.”

Very good point. Thanks.

288236 ▶▶▶ richard riewer, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, 7, #65 of 1437 🔗

Bill Gates’s wet dream to vaccinate 7 plus billion people with an untested vaccine over and over again is not a pernicious distraction.

288331 ▶▶▶▶ Rowan, replying to richard riewer, 6, #66 of 1437 🔗

Glad to see some people can see the bigger picture. Gates has been pushing his “depopulation by vaccine” line for more than a decade. Not only does greedy Gates want to kill us off (for the sake of the planet you understand), he wants to make another mega fortune in the process. Gates’s little helpers in the guise of Johnson, Gove, Hancock, Whitty, Vallance, Ferguson, BBC, Guardian and etc. are now there just to make sure that Bill gets as much of our money as is humanly possible. No doubt old Bill will make sure that this unholy bunch will get the rewards that they so deserve.

288576 ▶▶▶ AshesThanDust, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, 3, #67 of 1437 🔗

Please don’t go! You have a strong voice – use it to argue! Bloody useful things, arguments.

287542 ▶▶ annie, replying to Digital Nomad, 44, #68 of 1437 🔗

Better as we are.
Like many here, I suspect, I’m not against vaccines in general. I’m against THIS vaccine.

287661 ▶▶▶ Sophie123, replying to annie, 32, #69 of 1437 🔗

I am not even against THIS vaccine. I am just against it being seen as some kind of requirement for participating in society.

Vaccination should be a choice, based on individual risk of both the disease concerned and the vaccine for it.

288278 ▶▶▶▶ Rowan, replying to Sophie123, 5, #70 of 1437 🔗

Why anyone would choose to be injected with these barely tested and unnecessary vaccines is worrying. I am certainly wary of the vaccine itself, as it clearly has had no medium or long term trials. The lack of proper trials should be enough reason just by itself to steer well clear of these potentially harmful and highly experimental concoctions. It isn’t going to stop at one shot and it seems very likely that they are planning vaccination twice yearly, every year, perhaps until the last man or woman is still standing.

288591 ▶▶▶▶▶ Matt Dalby, replying to Rowan, 5, #71 of 1437 🔗

My view on the vaccine is that even with immunity from prosecution no major company would risk the amount of reputational damage that could result from large numbers of serious side effects no matter how much money they could make in the short term. Therefore they are pretty certain that it’s safe, although nothing in life is absolutely 100% safe. If I was in a high risk group I’d have it. However as I’m in a very low risk group I won’t be having it when eventually offered as I think to do so would mean that I agree with the government’s narrative that Covid is an order of magnitude worse than seasonal flu and lockdown etc. has been justified.
Regardless of what I think the most important thing is that there is no compulsion, or penalties for not having it, and people know that they have a choice. Next time I hear a news reporter talk about people refusing to have the vaccine I’m going to make a complaint. I think that use of the word refuse implies an order, or that there is no choice, whereas the correct term would be choose not to be vaccinated as this reinforces the idea that everyone does indeed have a choice. I doubt very much the likes of BBC or Channel 4 will take any notice, or change their language but if enough people make similar complaints it might make a difference.

288650 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Sophie123, replying to Matt Dalby, 2, #72 of 1437 🔗

I like the way you think

287517 Nsklent, replying to Nsklent, 90, #73 of 1437 🔗

Not sure why the letter to an MP opposing enforced vaccines was used as a good example. It’s ok, but doesn’t really focus on the argument, that is, why compulsory vaccinations are an abomination on the human rights of individuals. This needs to be drummed home and balanced with the non lethality of this virus to 99.6% of the population. In addition this vaccine is not a vaccine by definition, as it has already been revealed is not expected to reduce transmission but limit symptoms. Then with acknowledged potential side effects including unknown effects on fertility, how on earth can the vaccine be justified, as an unlicensed (temporary approval) medicine, let alone made compulsory. How can it possibly be made lawful, that a medication that could be potentially harmful be forced upon a population. These points need to be emphasised. Plus the letter quoted, endorsed the myth of the number of excess deaths – have we forgotten the dodgy method of certifying deaths? Please let’s not validate the government mantra to our MPs, we should be undermining it at every opportunity.

287518 ▶▶ Nsklent, replying to Nsklent, 84, #74 of 1437 🔗

As an additional thought, making this vaccine mandatory sets a precedent. If one drug can be enforced under the guise for the benefit of the community why not others. For example, TB is a prolongued treatment and essential that tablets are taken on a daily basis, why not then incarcerate those individuals to ensure compliance. What next, statins, flu vaccines …
Basically this is a red line and once crossed there is no going back – your body is now no longer yours, but for the state to decide what it should be subjected to. Any muppet using the save lives or the greater good mantra, try this analogy. We can all exist with one kidney, therefore if we all donated one of our kidneys we could save lives … doesn’t make it acceptable.
To think I used to sleep like a log.

287534 ▶▶▶ kh1485, replying to Nsklent, 27, #75 of 1437 🔗

Exactly. And even when you have died, unless you opt out, they can harvest your body for your organs. The rubicon is indeed being crossed.

287539 ▶▶▶▶ Eliza P., replying to kh1485, 15, #76 of 1437 🔗

That much at least we can deal with – ie harvesting our organs after death. Being in Wales – I got in there already and have one of those things done stating I am not an organ donor. Made sure of that quick sharp after spotting the evidence that they don’t make 101% sure and certain you’re dead first before taking them!!

287561 ▶▶▶▶▶ annie, replying to Eliza P., 18, #77 of 1437 🔗

I was surprised, originally, that Wales was the first country to take possession of its citizens’ bodies. But after nine months of Stalin Dungford, I now know what Dungvolution meant from the start.

287570 ▶▶▶▶▶ kh1485, replying to Eliza P., 23, #78 of 1437 🔗

Indeed. I opted out as soon as they sneaked that in earlier in the year. Donation, in my opinion, is in the gift of the donor, not the State.

288652 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Sophie123, replying to kh1485, 3, #79 of 1437 🔗

I Did the same. Totally agree.

287546 ▶▶▶▶ karenovirus, replying to kh1485, 13, #80 of 1437 🔗

There have been reports for years of the CCP executing prisoners to cull their organs for use by well connected members or for sale.

288355 ▶▶▶ Rowan, replying to Nsklent, #81 of 1437 🔗

Spot on.

287566 ▶▶ Will, replying to Nsklent, 20, #82 of 1437 🔗

The “vaccine” isn’t a vaccine, it is a glorified prophylactic.

287577 ▶▶▶ annie, replying to Will, 12, #83 of 1437 🔗

Lemsip on steroids.

287741 ▶▶▶▶ Two-Six, replying to annie, 4, #84 of 1437 🔗

Black Currant Lemsip, no less

288253 ▶▶ richard riewer, replying to Nsklent, 2, #85 of 1437 🔗

Damn right.

287520 Bella Donna, replying to Bella Donna, 40, #86 of 1437 🔗

Good morning peeps. The family was contacted about DNR, mother in law is 97. We were told it was to avoid putting her on a ventilator but who knows what will really happen. I’m very cynical about the government and NHS motives after the deliberate care home culling earlier this year. There is more going on than we are being told. The truth will out eventually, Mad Wankok must go. He is a dangerous nincompoop and shouldn’t hold the office he does.

287524 ▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Bella Donna, 6, #87 of 1437 🔗

Hasn’t hancock been arrested yet ?

287525 ▶▶▶ Judy Watson, replying to karenovirus, 14, #88 of 1437 🔗

regrettably No, ditto valance and whitty. Won’t dignify their names by using capital latters.

287535 ▶▶▶▶ Stuart, replying to Judy Watson, 5, #89 of 1437 🔗

Speak no ill of Nochance and Shitty.

287567 ▶▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to Judy Watson, 7, #90 of 1437 🔗

Don’t even bother to call them by their names, they don’t deserve it.

287528 ▶▶ Sally, replying to Bella Donna, 14, #91 of 1437 🔗

If they wanted to avoid having very elderly or infirm people put on ventilators they could issue the appropriate clinical guidelines to staff and departments. This doesn’t sound like an efficient or logical way of doing it, and I’m not sure I believe their story. It sounds more like a way of keeping such patients out of intensive care units or hospitals altogether.

287774 ▶▶▶ Marialta, replying to Sally, 24, #92 of 1437 🔗

When I was a social worker ‘Staying out of hospital’ was what the majority of my frail elderly clients wanted. The fear of hospital is ingrained in many of the older generation.

My own mother begged me to go against staff and on one crazy occasion I wheeled her off the ward and into the lift with her egging me on!

In the end she died in front of me at home of a pulmonary embolism gasping ‘don’t call the doctor!’ In fact after 10 minutes I did dial 999 against her wishes as she seemed in too much distress. When the paramedics arrived it was too late but they pulled her off the bed and started pumping her but I knew she must have already been unconscious. It was very violent and upsetting. Those paramedics were following procedure. it would have been good if she had had a DNR in place.

287827 ▶▶▶▶ TJS123, replying to Marialta, 18, #93 of 1437 🔗

As someone who has participated in cardiac arrests, I personally after the age of 80 would not want my ribs broken, a tube down my fragile throat, ventilation which could burst my aged lungs, or to lose 10% of my muscle mass each week while unconscious and immobile, with sedating drugs which my body would be hypersensitive to, IV drips in my battered veins, if I was lucky enough to have veins strong enough to cope, and with a minuscule chance to returning to my previous state of health. DNR’s have been called TEP’s (Treatment escalation plans) for some while now and should be discussed by patient and family, and levels of intervention from, say, giving antibiotics for infections or not, right up to CPR and ventilation agreed, and the pros and cons discussed. A blanket “DNR” is never the right thing. Also the heart does not randomly stop in an elderly person with no underlying, likely irreversible, reason. “Allow a peaceful death” is written on the form, and Marietta’s experience is very valid.

288218 ▶▶▶▶ Caroline Watson, replying to Marialta, 4, #94 of 1437 🔗

The very elderly see hospitals as places where you go to die, as they were for their parents’ generation before the NHS. Because the NHS is now so badly run, with disease spreading out of control in dirty hospitals, that would appear to be the case again. My mother’s generation of nurses are appalled.

287808 ▶▶▶ Ewan Duffy, replying to Sally, 10, #95 of 1437 🔗

In that case, they are taking responsibility for the decision. By getting a person to a sign a DNR notice, the person is responsible. It is public sector cowardice at its best.

Reminder that I am a former public servant.

288101 ▶▶▶ Steve, replying to Sally, 6, #96 of 1437 🔗

Absolutely correct. The medics have a respected algorithm that the probability of someone surviving mechanical ventilation. (I remember Sarah Jarvis acknowldged this on the radio, recently.) A patient’s percentage probability of survival is estimated by subtracting their age in years from 100, i.e. a 90 year old patient has only a 10% probability of survival. Without a DNR order, it’s surely not difficult for clinicians to see that mechanical ventilation of very old patients is inappropriate,.

288155 ▶▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Steve, 7, #97 of 1437 🔗

For the old and frail, and especially for the demented, it’s a barbaric treatment.

288360 ▶▶ Rowan, replying to Bella Donna, 2, #98 of 1437 🔗

Hancock is only a bit player, just too thick to be anything else, the real villains are Johnson and Gove.

287521 Bella Donna, replying to Bella Donna, 26, #99 of 1437 🔗

Great quote Toby, and so relevant today

“The welfare of humanity is always the alibi of tyrants.”

Albert Camus

287522 ▶▶ Tom Blackburn, replying to Bella Donna, 15, #100 of 1437 🔗

“But again and again there comes a time in history when the man who dares to say that two and two make four is punished with death”.

287537 ▶▶ Nicky, replying to Bella Donna, 21, #101 of 1437 🔗

I also like the Benjamin Franklin quote ‘they who would give up essential freedoms for personal safety, deserve neither freedom nor safety’ . Think I will make this into a car sticker for my car 😉

288266 ▶▶ richard riewer, replying to Bella Donna, 4, #102 of 1437 🔗

That is Global Public Health in a nutshell. Nanny State Tyrants.

287523 Cecil B, 21, #103 of 1437 🔗

I’ve looked up the English Oxford Dictionary definition of ‘ vaccine rollout ‘

It says

‘Taxpayer funded fuck up’

Syn: Lockdown, Track and trace, Mass testing, Matt Handcock

287526 Cheshire Andy, replying to Cheshire Andy, 18, #104 of 1437 🔗

New lockdown, this time strictly for the birds….captive ones. No joking, https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-55201167 . All to be kept indorrs from Dec 14th due to bird flu. Sounds like this is the end of healthy eggs (all feed will now be manufactured) and after 12 weeks indoors, Chickens and their eggs will no longer be allowed to be labelled free range. So now we have an assault on one of the few remaining sources of healthful (good fats and Vitamin D) animal derived food left open to us. Another piece in the jigsaw falls into place. Expect mass culls as the bird flu proceeds to decimate the enclosed poultry and spreads more fear in the population (cross infection having been led up the zoonotic garden path already) )leading to a massive decreases in both supply and demand (on a permanent basis). As a “private” citizen, if you keep your own chickens expect the local gestapo to call to enforce the rules or proceed to cull your little flock. Turkey for Christmas, get it now and put it in your freezer. 2020 is The Last Christmas. Apologies for the BBC link.

287553 ▶▶ Elisabeth, replying to Cheshire Andy, 18, #105 of 1437 🔗

and then they come for the pets. I will kill the b****rds first before I let them take my pets.

287565 ▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Cheshire Andy, 5, #106 of 1437 🔗

BBC is well behind on this one. Local Live (mirror group news) SW reported it early last month after breakouts in Dorset, Herefordshire and Devon.

287673 ▶▶ Ben, replying to Cheshire Andy, 10, #107 of 1437 🔗

Didn’t all this insanity happen before in 2009? Thanks to Neil Ferguson’a inaccurate modelling?

287744 ▶▶▶ Two-Six, replying to Ben, 7, #108 of 1437 🔗

yep

288186 ▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Ben, 4, #109 of 1437 🔗

Yes. It bankrupted a lot of small farmers who were swllowed up by Big Ag.

287530 Steve Hayes, 9, #110 of 1437 🔗

Institutionalised lunacy is an apt description.

287531 TheBigman, replying to TheBigman, 10, #111 of 1437 🔗

Ah, the old commie tactic, get rid of the old as those are the ones who remember pre-commie ways.

287544 ▶▶ Eliza P., replying to TheBigman, 14, #112 of 1437 🔗

I was shocked to realise this DNR tactic has been extended down as low as 65 years old (being late 60’s myself) and so it’s not just the elderly they’re doing this to. Now I personally wouldnt want to be resuscitated if I keeled over with the family heart attack – but it is MY decision and not theirs. So I’m not old yet – but I do remember Normal Times and won’t stop arguing for them to return until they do (yep…that would be all the way back to “Finish one job Friday and start another one on Monday – and it’s secure”).

287545 ▶▶▶ annie, replying to Eliza P., 8, #113 of 1437 🔗

I shouldn’t be a bit surprised if they quietly revised the criteria for the state in which a person ought not to be resuscitated. In a coma? Suffering from concussion? Fainted?

287551 ▶▶▶▶ karenovirus, replying to annie, 7, #114 of 1437 🔗

Head butting a riot cops baton ?

287554 ▶▶▶▶ Llamasaurus Rex, replying to annie, 5, #115 of 1437 🔗

Asymptomatic narcolepsy

287558 ▶▶▶▶ Llamasaurus Rex, replying to annie, 10, #116 of 1437 🔗

Falling asleep with the wrong opinions

287563 ▶▶▶▶ annie, replying to annie, 4, #117 of 1437 🔗

Desuscitation.

287549 ▶▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Eliza P., 5, #118 of 1437 🔗

We had got back to ‘left my job Friday I’ll get another on Monday’ around here 6 or 7 years ago. Unemployment was around 1.5% and job vacancies advertising all over the place. Not any more.

287778 ▶▶▶▶ fiery, replying to karenovirus, 7, #119 of 1437 🔗

I was delighted and relieved to leave my soul crushing NHS job 14 months ago. It was relatively easy to get a job in a housing project which admittedly pays less but is a lot more satisfying and I feel valued and supported. I doubt if I’d get another job so easily now in view of the unemployment rate and an ageist culture.

287568 ▶▶ karenovirus, replying to TheBigman, 2, #120 of 1437 🔗

As when Stalin took out the entire Bolshevik Old Guard en route to his dictatorship.

287574 ▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to TheBigman, 2, #121 of 1437 🔗

It’s like the purges isn’t it it? Robert Conquest’s The Great Terror is a worth a read.

287678 ▶▶ Ben, replying to TheBigman, 10, #122 of 1437 🔗

What was the Liverpool Care Pathway? ‘Commie’ or capitalist?

It feels like our rulers want rid of those who aren’t working or who are ‘economically inactive’ as Priti Patel described. The rich live to a ripe old age, especially the Royals

288194 ▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Ben, 4, #123 of 1437 🔗

“Useless eaters” was the official Nazi term.

288277 ▶▶▶ richard riewer, replying to Ben, #124 of 1437 🔗

Ugly Patel.

287532 TheBigman, 13, #125 of 1437 🔗

At this rate I’m beginning to see what folk are getting at with the whole “there is no covid19 virus” as everywhere is focusing on cases of a flu like virus and we’re measuring it with two tests that are quite flawed.

If it does exist perhaps it’s now naturally mutated itself out of existence like past viruses or indeed the majority of us have had it without knowing it, either way there’s really nothing to worry about except the now the lefty lunatics in power (I include Boris).

What to do now is the question.

287533 TheBigman, replying to TheBigman, 9, #126 of 1437 🔗

LET US TALK ABOUT CHINA! – Poll

If anyone has caught Douglas Murray’s piece in the Spectator or listened to his interview on Talk Radio you will have heard a coherent argument for ‘reparations’ from China to the rest of the world as a result of their inaction.

Two things:

Should China pay anything?

As this is the third major virus from China in 20 years, should we consider this is potentially deliberate destabilising act, after all Chinese officials have openly stated about taking over the west.

287543 ▶▶ Steve Hayes, replying to TheBigman, 12, #127 of 1437 🔗

I think you should go back and read the comment you posted five minutes earlier, which casts doubt on the threat posed by the virus and properly locates the problem with the government of this country.

287599 ▶▶ Cecil B, replying to TheBigman, 4, #128 of 1437 🔗

Spectator too left wing for me

287607 ▶▶ JohnB, replying to TheBigman, 8, #129 of 1437 🔗

We had the conversation a couple of days back, the main gist was that all the damage has been done by world governments locking. There was no need to lockdown the same as 2009 when we had swine flu, but all Govs followed suit as they saw the potential for a massive power grab.

287674 ▶▶ Julian, replying to TheBigman, 9, #130 of 1437 🔗

Talking about reparations from China is just a distraction from exposing the lies and tyranny of our own government, and is in a way a tacit acceptance that it’s the virus that has done the damage and not the reaction to it.

The Chinese are “guilty” of doing what most governments do most of the time – exploiting the situation to gain an advantage over others.

287689 ▶▶ Ben, replying to TheBigman, 10, #131 of 1437 🔗

China should stop pushing QR code immunity passports on the rest of the world if it doesn’t want a world resentful of it. I would bet that China is up to its neck in the Corona Scandal. Its Wuhan lab is supposedly part funded by Pharma and the Americans, who attended the military games in Wuhan. Bill Gates and China enjoy a productive relationship.. ad nauseam

288663 ▶▶ Matt Dalby, replying to TheBigman, 1, #132 of 1437 🔗

I don’t often read the comments section so apologies if this has been said many times before, but to me this a new take on the China did it theory so I thought I’d share it.
With an IFR of 0.5% or less and 30% or more of the population having pre-existing immunity Covid would appear to be a pretty crap biological weapon. However this is only true if it was meant to do what other biological weapons were designed for, i.e kill a large percentage of the enemy’s soldiers/population so you can achieve dominence by invading a country. In a world where there are nuclear weapons I don’t think any country would be foolish enough to try and dominate the West by direct military means. Another way to achieve dominance would be to economically dominate your rivals and the quickest way to achieve this would be to decimate your rival’s economies while leaving yours largely intact. If this was China’s intention and they believed in advance that most countries would respond to a pandemic by locking down then from their point of view Covid has been an almost perfect weapon.
This theory could help to explain a couple of things that I haven’t seen properly explained anywhere else. Firstly if China hadn’t seen it coming because it was an accidental lab release, or came from a wet market how did they manage to contain it before it became too widespread to be contained, especially as they were claiming there was no evidence of person to person transmission to begin with so presumably (if they belived the claim to be true) didn’t take it seriously to begin with. Yes they could introduce draconian measures that Hancock, Whitty, Boris etc. could only dream of, but is it likely that they had no warning and no prior knowledge but managed to do something that no country in Europe or the America’s managed with some knowledge that it was coming? Is the Chinese government really that superior to most other governments?
Secondly why have most scientific papers on asyomptomatic transmission come from China? It would make sense to initially downplay how serious it was by claiming there was no evidence of person to person transmission to make sure other countries didn’t take action to contain it while it may have been possible to do so. Once it can’t be contained by other countries start talking about asymptomatic transmission so it appears worse than it is and governments take drastic measures and hence do even more damage to their economies.
I very much doubt the Chinese government care that at least 4,500 of their citizens ended up as collateral damage. Given China’s record I doubt they would’ve cared if 45,000 or 450,000 of their citizens became collateral damage. If the outbreak had followed a similar pattern in China to most European countries then 450,000 is not a figure that Ferguson pulled out of thin air but a fairly conservative estimate.

287536 Stuart, 19, #133 of 1437 🔗

“So, the NHS cleared out the old bed-blockers in last March’s coup de main. You think we want them back again? DNAR the lot of them on arrival or better still go-slow the ambulances. We got TikTok dance routines to work on for Christmas panto”.

287547 Nicky, replying to Nicky, 10, #134 of 1437 🔗

This is what happens after you lock people up, deprive them of human contact and the ability to socialise rationally and then exhort them to abide by nonsensical rules. No doubt fuel though for a 3rd lockdown being threatened, with thousands of lives being put at risk. Already seeing adverse comments from the pro lockdown’ers. Although I heard a glimmer of hope this morning listening to the news headlines on the radio that at last a poll may be showing a turn in the tide of public opinion with a majority now thinking the govt is handling the crisis badly?

https://twitter.com/Iromg/status/1335389893749596164?s=20

287576 ▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to Nicky, 24, #135 of 1437 🔗

People are realising that they’ve been had and long may it continue.

Now we need to push back more plus retailers, pubs, restaurants, museums, churches, venues, etc to grow a backbone and refuse to kowtow to the government any longer.

287579 ▶▶▶ Cecil B, replying to Bart Simpson, 16, #136 of 1437 🔗

Pedant alert

This is a dictatorship not a government

287590 ▶▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to Cecil B, 5, #137 of 1437 🔗

I stand corrected! 😉 👍

287581 ▶▶▶ annie, replying to Bart Simpson, 21, #138 of 1437 🔗

I wish, oh how I wish, that the Welsh hospitalitarians would fight back before Dungford kills them all stone dead. They are like rabbits hypnotised by a dancing weasel.

287587 ▶▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to annie, 11, #139 of 1437 🔗

What has happened to the people of Wales? I won’t be surprised if there’s a campaign to abolish the Welsh assembly next year if it hasn’t begun already.

287910 ▶▶▶▶▶ annie, replying to Bart Simpson, 10, #140 of 1437 🔗

I’d support it. There isn’t a brain, heart or backbone anywhere in that assemblage of witless wankers.

287595 ▶▶▶▶ Bill h, replying to annie, 4, #141 of 1437 🔗

What an amazing image that conjures Annie !

You are a magician .

Wonderful.

287911 ▶▶▶▶▶ annie, replying to Bill h, 2, #142 of 1437 🔗

Only wish I could draw cartoons,,,

288197 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to annie, 1, #143 of 1437 🔗

You draw excellent verbal ones!

287601 ▶▶▶▶ Cecil B, replying to annie, 5, #144 of 1437 🔗

If they comply they will die

Better to die fighting back

287578 ▶▶ Cecil B, replying to Nicky, 18, #145 of 1437 🔗

Fantastic. Possibly the start of peaceful mass civil disobedience

Well done to all the young people who took part. You are heroes

They are few. We are many

Up with this we will not put

287602 ▶▶ Dorian_Hawkmoon, replying to Nicky, 2, #146 of 1437 🔗

Trouble is polls like that mix sceptics and those who want bigger, harder, longer.

287652 ▶▶ Jonathan Palmer, replying to Nicky, 7, #147 of 1437 🔗

That was a meeting of Young travellers.This tine of year they would be at Winer Wonderland in the park.As that is closed they decided to meet in the Square outside Harrods.It caused chaos on Brompton Road.

287676 ▶▶▶ Spikedee1, replying to Jonathan Palmer, 5, #148 of 1437 🔗

Aaah so that’s what was happening. My daughter was in harrods and could not understand why all these young people holding wads of £50 notes and buying all the designer gear.

288198 ▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Jonathan Palmer, 3, #149 of 1437 🔗

That was the only large gathering yesterday that gained any official press coverage.

287688 ▶▶ Sue, replying to Nicky, 5, #150 of 1437 🔗

that’s a bizarre scene of young people trying to enter harrods – i wouldn’t have thought it was their natural habitat/choice of store and is more frequented by people in limousines and burkas. Maybe they’ve gone down market to getin with the young crowd!

287760 ▶▶ Two-Six, replying to Nicky, 5, #151 of 1437 🔗

Hummmm….militant “shopping” this has some potential……
We need to re-imagine our future (protests)

287973 ▶▶▶ Josephine K, replying to Two-Six, 4, #152 of 1437 🔗

When is a demo not a demo? Surely militant shopping is a idea whose time has come? Those young people were not wearing masks therefore it was a defacto statement if not an outright protest. I think it’s a great idea and I can’t see any downside.

287916 ▶▶ Ben, replying to Nicky, 8, #153 of 1437 🔗

And there was never actually a ‘crisis’ – just a natural wave of a coronavirus like influenza that happens every year. The crisis that’s destroyed human rights, mental health, the economy, civil liberties, cancelled medical treatment, draconian policing is a man made crisis

287548 SilentP, replying to SilentP, 7, #154 of 1437 🔗

So what is the current agenda on testing?

I am not sure what message we are currently being given. Are we just meant to be confused with the contradictory information so that we will accept whatever is mandated?

The widespread use of PCR testing looks like it was largely responsible for the casedemic.

The lateral flow testing appears to produce less false positives and is being criticized for the number of false negatives.

I believe that the gazillion pound project Moonshot was meant to be using the lateral flow test.

Official ‘case’ numbers are coming down rapidly – all hail Lockdown 2 and the good people of Liverpool.

I think most of us here have clear views on the realities of this. What I am not so clear on are the current unrealities i.e. what we are being asked to believe about testing and what next steps will be put forward.

287555 ▶▶ annie, replying to SilentP, 22, #155 of 1437 🔗

Testing, by whatever method, is their infallible way of turning ‘case’ numbers up and down like a dimmer switch, according to which lie they currently want to tell.

287571 ▶▶▶ Cecil B, replying to annie, 8, #156 of 1437 🔗

The chocolate ration is going up, I mean down, sorry up, no down

287559 ▶▶ Elisabeth, replying to SilentP, 1, #157 of 1437 🔗

I saw a video claiming that the test swabs deposit nanoparticles up by your brain and who knows what’s in them and what they’re intended to do in your body. But that’s probably just a crazy conspiracy theory. Right?

288233 ▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Elisabeth, #158 of 1437 🔗

Might explain some otherwise inexplicable behaviour …..

287591 ▶▶ Dorian_Hawkmoon, replying to SilentP, 19, #159 of 1437 🔗

As far as I can make out, the lateral flow tests are deemed to produce too many false negatives based on…you guessed it, the high FPR RT-PCR test! There isn’t any other basis available. They simply refused to believe that the Liverpool numbers were so low. You couldn’t make it up. Oh, hang on; they are doing.

287682 ▶▶▶ Spikedee1, replying to Dorian_Hawkmoon, 7, #160 of 1437 🔗

It has gone very quiet on testing since last week when the numbers were going down really fast. They tried to claim this was due to lockdown until they noticed it had been going down for weeks. Is this their plan? Stop talking about it, like they did with Priti’s bullying claim?

287990 ▶▶ Ben, replying to SilentP, 8, #161 of 1437 🔗

All the pieces of the scam fit together in order for the scam to have legs

The masks perpetuate the idea of a deadly virus

The testing does the same. More crucially the tech and pharma industries who are poised to make big cash profits from vaccines and immunity passports are what is driving this. The end goal is indefinite profits for shareholders and for governments to realise their dream of tighter control of citizens

It’s a no win situation for 99% of the population. The rich and the powerful will be exempt

288200 ▶▶ Steve, replying to SilentP, 2, #162 of 1437 🔗

I thought that Lockdown 2 had now been refined in Liverpool, so it’s now just chums of the mayor who are involved?

287575 ▶▶ Tom Blackburn, replying to Tom Blackburn, 2, #164 of 1437 🔗

Actual effectiveness of blackouts discussed on p26.

287552 annie, replying to annie, 24, #165 of 1437 🔗

Wankok says he is a freedom-loving conservative. (DT. article in Toby’s list above.)

Wankok says that.
Wankok says that.
Wankok says that.
WANKOK SAYS THAT.

Must go take my blood-pressure pill before I perish by spontaneous combustion.

I take some comfort from the comments.

287572 ▶▶ karenovirus, replying to annie, 6, #166 of 1437 🔗

. . . Pants on fire 🖕

287596 ▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to annie, 10, #167 of 1437 🔗

Steve Baker’s reply was priceless. Goes to show how even many of his fellow Conservatives despise him.

287650 ▶▶ Biker, replying to annie, 15, #168 of 1437 🔗

In this post-modernist world he may well believe he’s a freedom loving conservative as he holds a gun to your head threatening to kill you if you don’t do what he says. Like all these racists who claim black lives matter that hate white people. Words have lost their meaning.

287701 ▶▶ dommo, replying to annie, 6, #169 of 1437 🔗

surely he’s going to have to emigrate?

287913 ▶▶▶ annie, replying to dommo, 5, #170 of 1437 🔗

North Korea would reject him as being too tyrannical.

287557 Danny, replying to Danny, 26, #171 of 1437 🔗

News this morning full of the “chaos” in London yesterday as swarms of selfish young people condemn us to perpetual lockdown by daring to go out together at Christmas time.
We must be punished.
We must be punished.

287685 ▶▶ Spikedee1, replying to Danny, 13, #172 of 1437 🔗

My daughter was in London, was just like normal. These are the people who will drive this lockdown away. The young can organise very quickly and do proper protests. Just look at the BLM protest.

287985 ▶▶▶ PastImperfect, replying to Spikedee1, 4, #173 of 1437 🔗

BLM actions were tightly controlled Soros events.

287698 ▶▶ Sue, replying to Danny, 7, #174 of 1437 🔗

good for them! Stick 2 fingers up to the establishment!
the other night a group of kids were partying in the park in the rain – how low have we dropped that they have to do this and not be inside.
Their choice of music was bizarre as i heard James’ “All sit down” tune and thought a bizarre choice for youngsters but hey maybe the best ones are timeless.
Just looking at the lyrics they could be quite apt for us – i’ll leave them here for you.
Have a nice day all – off to liaise with nature!

I’ll sing myself to sleep
A song from the darkest hour
Secrets I can’t keep
Inside of a day
Swing from high to deep
Extremes of sweet and sour
Hope that God exists
I hope I pray
Drawn by the undertow
My life is out of control
I believe this wave will bear my weight
So let it flow
Oh sit down
Oh sit down
Oh sit down
Sit down next to me
Sit down, sit down, sit down, sit down, down
In sympathy
Now I’m relieved to hear
That you’ve been to some far out places
It’s hard to carry on
When you feel all alone
Now I’ve swung back down again
It’s worse than it was before
If I hadn’t seen such riches
I could live with being poor
Oh sit down
Oh sit down
Oh sit down
Sit down next to me
Sit down, sit down, sit down, sit down, down
In sympathy
Those who feel the breath of sadness
Sit down next to me
Those who find they’re touched by madness
Sit down next to me
Those who find themselves ridiculous
Sit down next to me
In love, in fear, in hate, in tears
In love, in fear, in hate, in tears
In love, in fear, in hate, in tears
In love, in fear, in hate
Down
Down
Oh sit down
Oh sit down
Oh sit down
Sit down next to me
Sit down, sit down, sit down, sit down, down
In sympathy
Oh sit down
Oh sit down
Oh sit down
Sit down next to me
Sit down, sit down, sit down, sit down, down
In sympathy

287569 Cecil B, replying to Cecil B, 68, #175 of 1437 🔗

Oh how we laughed, what a giggle. Derbyshire police used a drone to track dog walkers, what a jolly jape we thought

A man who should know said this is what a police state looks like

They called him a fool, a silly old duffer. They told him to shut up, and he should know better than to say such stupid things

Nine months later innocent women are beaten up and kidnapped on the streets of London by Mrs Dicks private army of thugs

The women’s crime had been to shout ‘freedom’ in a public place

The police now have the power to kick in your front door on Christmas Day and cart off your children and grand children

If it’s any consolation it breaks the pig dictators heart to have to do this to you

287583 ▶▶ annie, replying to Cecil B, 11, #176 of 1437 🔗

What heart?

288283 ▶▶▶ richard riewer, replying to annie, 1, #177 of 1437 🔗

Heart of Stone.

287600 ▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Cecil B, 12, #178 of 1437 🔗

And come into a pub to tell you to eat your substantial meal more speedily.
Like Dining Monitors in junior school.

287662 ▶▶▶ alw, replying to karenovirus, 14, #179 of 1437 🔗

And this.

287683 ▶▶▶▶ Cecil B, replying to alw, 4, #180 of 1437 🔗

It’s less than £1 a pint in our bus stop

287686 ▶▶▶▶ karenovirus, replying to alw, 3, #181 of 1437 🔗

And surprise surprise

287604 ▶▶ JohnB, replying to Cecil B, 39, #182 of 1437 🔗

What about Cressida Dick telling people to harass the disabled because they’re not wearing masks? She never apologised or backtracked on this.

287605 ▶▶▶ Tom Blackburn, replying to JohnB, 32, #183 of 1437 🔗

Of course the disabilities charities and woke Muppets were up in arms about this…oh wait… no, that’s right. They didn’t bat an eyelid

287649 ▶▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to Tom Blackburn, 32, #184 of 1437 🔗

And now the TV ad slots are filled with these charities saying “we’ve had a hard year and need your money more than ever”. They have not spoken out at all against this lockdown and the hardship it has caused, and you can damn well guarantee that the fat cats heading these charities have still been paid their £200k-300k a year salary whilst funding has been removed to be spent on helping the people and animals these charities are meant to be helping.

287863 ▶▶▶▶▶ Ben, replying to JohnB, 11, #185 of 1437 🔗

Charity bosses are worried about their mortgages for their second home. The same charities that used ‘Covid’ as an opportunity to virtue-signal and to perpetuate the Covid lie

287672 ▶▶▶▶ Andy, replying to Tom Blackburn, 10, #186 of 1437 🔗

Disability Rights UK is always expanding its training and job roles. Didn’t you know? They are very busy increasing the size of their organisation, just like all the other charities. If they solved problems they would be unemployed.

287915 ▶▶▶▶▶ annie, replying to Andy, 5, #187 of 1437 🔗

Don’t knock them. They are our no-nappy alibi.

287606 ▶▶▶ Cecil B, replying to JohnB, 6, #188 of 1437 🔗

It comes across as completely devoid of any personality

The eyes are dead

Grey like John Major’s spitting image puppet

Beyond bland

It looks like it knows it shouldn’t be in that position, but the money comes in handy

It was pretty certain that Patel (evil bitch) was going to do for it, but her hands are tied now

287620 ▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to JohnB, 13, #189 of 1437 🔗

She never did despite the likes of Simon Dolan calling her out on it. Shame on the disabled charities as well being silent and not fighting back.

That said they will get their comeuppance when the day of reckoning comes.

287976 ▶▶▶▶ PastImperfect, replying to Bart Simpson, 7, #190 of 1437 🔗

Common Purpose will have infiltrated them all.

288287 ▶▶▶ richard riewer, replying to JohnB, #191 of 1437 🔗

Disable Cressida.

288805 ▶▶▶ David Grimbleby, replying to JohnB, 1, #192 of 1437 🔗

It was the ‘shaming’ next stop the stocks ..

287655 ▶▶ mikewaite, replying to Cecil B, 13, #193 of 1437 🔗

Does Boris realise the dead end he has driven himself into?
As soon as Brexit is done, he will no longer be needed and much of the country, probably most, will want to see him gone from Downing St.
To do what ? He has already stated that a PM’s slary is inadequate for his needs. His temporary job as an ordinary MP will not be any better, so will he return to journalism?.
But given his lies, deceit and hypocrisy over the last year would anyone read what he writes , would any publisher/editor, with any sense of decency, commission him to write for them.
I suppose the only option is to become a paid shill for the renewables industry, like some other ill- principled and failed politicians that one could mention.

287684 ▶▶▶ Christopher, replying to mikewaite, 15, #194 of 1437 🔗

He will get his 30 pieces of silver as reward for destroying Albion don’t you worry , just as Blair got his for setting the middle east ablaze .

287787 ▶▶▶ Two-Six, replying to mikewaite, 7, #195 of 1437 🔗

I am formulating an anology about the only job Evil Old Borris is going to be able to get after this shit-show is a “cleaner” in the exclusive club that shows COVID Fear Porn 24/7.

I have refrained from using more crude metaphors which would use the word the Boris uses to describe what people who like to spend billions of pounds of our money do when in a small room and having a “special” party.

I am looking forward to reading about the adventures of Boris in his new role.

288293 ▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to mikewaite, 2, #196 of 1437 🔗

The odious Christine Hamilton was popular as an after-ladies’-luncheon speaker.

And Tony Bliar used after-dinner speaking to elevate himself to influential heights.

288294 ▶▶▶ richard riewer, replying to mikewaite, 3, #197 of 1437 🔗

What kind of Brexit deal would PM Johnson give you now? I wouldn’t allow him anywhere near a Brexit deal now.

287573 kh1485, replying to kh1485, 8, #198 of 1437 🔗

Wonder if I can just check something out. I think, on here a few days ago someone (sorry, can’t recall who) suggested that the vaccine will contain, among other things, the lung tissue of aborted foetuses. Did I imagine that or is that really one of the ingredients?

287585 ▶▶ annie, replying to kh1485, 6, #199 of 1437 🔗

Certainly one of them contains foetal tissue. Catholics have been told that this is fine, no worries, gulp it down, but don’t forget that abortion is still very wicked.

https://www.thetablet.co.uk/news/13411/catholic-bishops-issue-new-guidance-on-covid-vaccine

287588 ▶▶▶ kh1485, replying to annie, 6, #200 of 1437 🔗

Thanks Annie. Am I being a bit thick here but notwithstanding the ethical issue, doesn’t this raise the prospect of humans going down the mad cow disease route?

I told one of my Saturday staff yesterday about what I thought the vaccine contains and a) she didn’t know and b) she was, rightly, horrified.

287654 ▶▶▶▶ Chris John, replying to kh1485, 3, #201 of 1437 🔗

LATROGENIC reactions and MRC-5.

288300 ▶▶▶ richard riewer, replying to annie, 1, #202 of 1437 🔗

Sounds like a Witches brew to me.

288308 ▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to annie, #203 of 1437 🔗

Abortion is a medical term. Can refer to spontaneous, ie miscarriage, or to a elective termination.

288618 ▶▶▶ Cheshirecatslave, replying to annie, 1, #204 of 1437 🔗

Whatever happened to individual conscience and what if said vaccine is harmful or doesn’t work? “This statement follows a previous document from the Bishops’ Conference of England and Wales, which argued in July that Catholics “have a prima facie duty to be vaccinated”. Although that statement emphasised the ethical issues of vaccination, it did not link those to a right to conscientiously object to use of a vaccine. “

287594 ▶▶ Tom Blackburn, replying to kh1485, 6, #205 of 1437 🔗

Sounds like lies to me. Who is going through aborted foetuses picking out lungs?

287908 ▶▶▶ PastImperfect, replying to Tom Blackburn, 3, #206 of 1437 🔗

I understand that the tissue came from a baby boy in 1968(?) and has been grown on in the lab (I am sure there is a proper term).

Check out Judy Mikovits

287603 ▶▶ JohnB, replying to kh1485, 6, #207 of 1437 🔗

Pfizer’s official line is that it doesn’t contain cell tissue but that the virus it contains was derived from the cell tissue of an aborted foetus from the 1970’s. Derived mean’s it was “obtained from” so how can they say it doesn’t contain anything, the virus has still interacted with that cell tissue.

287608 ▶▶▶ Charlie Blue, replying to JohnB, 9, #208 of 1437 🔗

I understand that cells from foetal tissue from elective abortions way back were genetically modified so that they could be divided an infinite number of times and used in research. This allows research into all sorts of treatments including cancer and anti-virals and safety testing before the stage they are trialled on living people. Tissue is not in the vaccines themselves. This might still be ethically unacceptable to many people but in that case there will be many drug therapies that they ought to reject oñ these grounds.

287675 ▶▶▶▶ Sophie123, replying to Charlie Blue, 5, #209 of 1437 🔗

Also biologic drugs are grown in Modified cell lines. Often Chinese hamster ovary cells. But it doesn’t mean they are made from hamsters.

there was a synthetic skin substitute (not sure if it is still available) that was grown from a piece of baby’s foreskin from a circumcision years and years ago. You just keep growing the cells. It’s hard to say they contain that person’s skin though. They’ve been derived from it. Not sure if that helps explain it or not.

287849 ▶▶▶▶▶ Spikedee1, replying to Sophie123, 3, #210 of 1437 🔗

On talk radio someone actually asked if vegans can take the virus because of the meat content! K Sakora tried his best not to laugh. I always wondered do vegans do oral?

288299 ▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to kh1485, #211 of 1437 🔗

It’s cloned tissue taken from an aborted foetus way back in 1966.

288616 ▶▶ Cheshirecatslave, replying to kh1485, 1, #212 of 1437 🔗

The cell lines they cultivate it in are derived from embryos aborted decades ago. All the cells are supposedly removed from the finished vaccine(one hopes.)

287580 kh1485, replying to kh1485, 58, #213 of 1437 🔗

The insanity continued at work yesterday. We were confronted by a woman shouting her order through our french doors. We told her that she could come inside or, if she was that way inclined, she could sit outside. Her response (in the manner of Joan Sanderson of Fawlty Towers fame):

“I can’t come in, I’m not in a bubble” We told her she was permitted to come inside.

“Look, I’ve read what the government say on their webiste and I CAN’T come in”

We persisted, and told her she was now OK to come inside.

“NO I AM NOT, I AM NOT IN A BUBBLE”

So, this woman truly believes that she couldn’t come inside on her own, but she could if she was with someone in her damned ‘bubble’ (god, how I hate that word now).

287586 ▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to kh1485, 46, #214 of 1437 🔗

Jesus wept. I really, really despair at what this virus has done to people’s brains and reasoning.

Apart from “bubble(s)” another word and even image that I hate now is “rainbow.” Everytime I see one, I want to stab myself.

287592 ▶▶▶ kh1485, replying to Bart Simpson, 25, #215 of 1437 🔗

I know. We stopped trying to reason with her in the end. It was as though she was possessed by the mantra.

Yes, with the rainbows, I wondered whether we could put an inverted one in the window to register our anti feelings.

287593 ▶▶▶▶ Tom Blackburn, replying to kh1485, 13, #216 of 1437 🔗

It’s times like these when you stop to consider whether that whopper who goes on about moron slaves might be onto something.

287597 ▶▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to kh1485, 15, #217 of 1437 🔗

Yeah, would have given up by that point as well if I were you.

An inverted one sounds great. I always found it amusing that its in the wealthy areas where you find these rainbows and “Thank you NHS” art works from the kiddies but nothing in the poor areas.

287625 ▶▶▶▶▶ bluemoon, replying to Bart Simpson, 16, #218 of 1437 🔗

Plenty in my poor-ish area. They’re still up! And the large banners tied to fences.
I mentally spit on the ground as I go by.

288318 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to bluemoon, 2, #219 of 1437 🔗

Local ones all vanished weeks ago.

288706 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to bluemoon, 1, #220 of 1437 🔗

The ones here disappeared ages ago.

288315 ▶▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to kh1485, 2, #221 of 1437 🔗

You wouldn’t be the first.
I saw one with National Covid-Only Service in the arch.

287666 ▶▶▶ Nsklent, replying to Bart Simpson, 19, #222 of 1437 🔗

Same yesterday. Went to support some small, local independent shops selling ‘nice things’ for Christmas. In a tiny, ‘pop up ‘ shop, whilst sorting out payment with the seller, we were standing relatively close to the door. The woman trying to enter, in fear of our presence, would put one foot in the doorway, then retreat, then try again, all the time looking at me wide eyed. Honestly, I felt like singing the hokey cokey out loud, and then yelling at the stupid woman, if you think this virus is so deadly, why on earth are you risking your life entering a shop that 8 people would fill, all for the sake of a Christmas bauble!

287899 ▶▶▶ Marialta, replying to Bart Simpson, 6, #223 of 1437 🔗

Yes! I saw three impressive rainbow lines in the Welsh sky last week. As I was admiring them I immediately caught myself thinking how the word ‘rainbow’ now signifies a caring sharing NHS within a discourse of public health.

If Roland Barthes and Jean Baudrillard were alive today they’d be having a semiology field day !!!!

We now have a mask, a bubble and a rainbow – ( 2 of them loved by children?) now gaining new meaning within a healthcare structural system that organises the meanings and gives them symbolic power. It’s really interesting that by screaming the word ‘bubble’ that customer was supposed to be signalling empathy and moral superiority.

287919 ▶▶▶▶ annie, replying to Marialta, 3, #224 of 1437 🔗

I saw Welsh rainbows too. And thought ‘NHS, ugh.’
I need rainbow thought therapy.

288623 ▶▶▶▶ Cheshirecatslave, replying to Marialta, 2, #225 of 1437 🔗

I still love rainbows in nature, nothing political can take that beauty from me as drawings are nothing like the majesty of the real thing.

287691 ▶▶ Ben, replying to kh1485, 8, #226 of 1437 🔗

The Government has kindly created her, and millions of others a bubble of Neuroses

288304 ▶▶▶ richard riewer, replying to Ben, 4, #227 of 1437 🔗

A Bed of Neuroses.

287705 ▶▶ Sue, replying to kh1485, 20, #228 of 1437 🔗

why or why can people not think for themselves and need to be told what to do by a load of public school brainless twats is truly beyond my comprehension! I’ve met enough public school nobs in my life to know how utterly vacuous and arrogant they are!!

287848 ▶▶ Sam Vimes, replying to kh1485, 9, #229 of 1437 🔗

You’ve all got it wrong! The lady simply meant she should be in a bubble – you know, a giant inflatable globe, like a hamster ball. If your shop doesn’t provide them , then shame on you. She just wanted a bit of protection, and you know that masks have been tested on hamsters, so she is right. Honestly, some people…

287852 ▶▶▶ Spikedee1, replying to Sam Vimes, 5, #230 of 1437 🔗

What have we done to people. The word bubble only used to be used in cockney rhyming slang to describe a Greek or if your were a West Ham fan talking about ones they are forever blowing.

287927 ▶▶▶ annie, replying to Sam Vimes, 6, #231 of 1437 🔗

You can get giant inflatable globes. They are used for zorbing. You push them down hills with a person inside. Or over cliffs with a zombie inside, good effin’ riddance.

288307 ▶▶▶ richard riewer, replying to Sam Vimes, 2, #232 of 1437 🔗

Like the Bubble Boy in ‘Seinfeld’.

287582 Dorian_Hawkmoon, 13, #233 of 1437 🔗

Goodbye to the NHS. Welcome to the National Covid Service. PCRs, DNARs, mRNA jabs R Us.. No vax? Security, escort this murderer of the premises.

287589 Cecil B, replying to Cecil B, 12, #234 of 1437 🔗

Watching the Ruptly coverage of the Paris protest yesterday it would a appear a protester had their hand blown off by something fired by the police

Can’t be certain that’s what I saw but I do have experience of dealing with casualties

If you want to look yourself its near the end of the protest when the protesters are gathered around a monument/fountain. The police are firing some kind of stun grenades at the protesters

The casualty is being treated by a volunteer medical team

Needless to say nothing in the MSM

287696 ▶▶ Ben, replying to Cecil B, 13, #235 of 1437 🔗

I saw a photo montage last year of Yellow Vests casualties. People maimed, missing body parts, eyes, because of Macron’s thugs. There needs to be a criminal trial

287817 ▶▶▶ Stringfellow Hawke, replying to Ben, 7, #236 of 1437 🔗

Definitely right. I remember that too. Typically of course the MSM dismissed them “all” as far-right thugs, I’m sure one even used a phrase like ‘Russian agitators!’

Not unlike the laptop repair guy in Delaware who had Hunter Biden’s laptop. He too was Putin’s puppet putting out Russian disinformation. who knew?

287796 ▶▶ Two-Six, replying to Cecil B, 4, #237 of 1437 🔗

“The GLI-F4’s tear gas consists of 10 grams of CS gas . The explosive charge consists of 26 grams of TNT and 4 grams of hexocire (a mixture of RDX and wax)”.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GLI-F4_grenade
This is what they do to a boot, warning there are other images of the injuries they cause and you really don’t want to look.

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287609 karenovirus, replying to karenovirus, 7, #238 of 1437 🔗

Sssshh it’s a secret.
pulsetoday.co.uk appeared on my newsfeed. It tells of the vaccine roll out advice being sent out to GP practises on ‘Monday’, (tomorrow 7th Dec ?) for starting a programme starting on the 14th.

Such a lot to do in a week, what can possibly go wrong?
I went back for another peak only to be told I had to register as a G.P. because ‘this site is intended for health professionals only’.

Happily I already had the attached screenshot

287663 ▶▶ thinkaboutit, replying to karenovirus, 6, #239 of 1437 🔗

They love their acronyms, don’t they?

Some busy bees at some government departments assisted by the collaborators in medicine have put a lot of effort into this. It will cost huge sums of money and be about as successful as a Sixth Form group project.
I expect they’ll all get stickers.

As the philosopher says, it’s all pantomime.

287862 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to karenovirus, 5, #240 of 1437 🔗

If GPs don’t make their concerns known right now, they never will

287924 ▶▶ stevie, replying to karenovirus, 3, #241 of 1437 🔗

All the roll out details are here: https://www.england.nhs.uk/coronavirus/covid-19-vaccination-programme/ (with lots of acronyms) Our advice for clinicians on the coronavirus is here .
If you are a member of the public looking for health advice, go to the NHS website . And if you are looking for the latest travel information, and advice about the government response to the outbreak, go to the gov.uk website .

287610 Mark II, replying to Mark II, 13, #242 of 1437 🔗

Lol CDC and their ‘compelling evidence’ (which doesn’t exist, still waiting to see this compelling evidence they all claim for masks) claiming cloth masks even protect wearer, _just after_ the Damask RCT showed the that to be categorically untrue even with surgical masks 🧐 incredible how these types in charge can continue for best part of a year now. Fuckers.

287612 ▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Mark II, 4, #243 of 1437 🔗

Sucking up to the President Apparent.

287611 JohnB, replying to JohnB, 52, #244 of 1437 🔗

10 months into the so called “Pandemic” and the first person I know has tested positive for COVID. I was speaking to her mum yesterday who told me she’d tested positive. I asked how she was, she said “Oh, she’s fine, she’s just taking a run on the treadmill at the moment!!!!

What a f*cking joke, I can’t ever remember a time when I’ve had a cold and felt like I wanted to really do anything but rest, but COVID fills you with energy!

287856 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to JohnB, 7, #245 of 1437 🔗

I’ve a friend who tested positive, is an athlete and had a few days rough, having had to go to the doc for a check up as well. Now, that’s not really worthy of mentioning, but she’s just had her second write up in the national Irish press about her ordeal. They love the idea that someone as fit and healthy can get a high temperature and post viral fatigue.

287613 Bart Simpson, replying to Bart Simpson, 35, #246 of 1437 🔗

Dr Murphy’s well written piece highlights two very interesting points:

Disabled people have been thrown under the bus – we’ve seen this time and again with services and schooling withdrawn for people with special needs and learning disabilities; the bullying and harassment of people who can’t wear muzzles for various reasons or practise anti-social distancing and people (especially children and young people) being harmed psychologically and socially by these insane “safety” measures that in effect they develop disabilities of their own such as OCD. Is the government wanting to deliberately harm its own citizens? During WW2, it was government policy to keep everything open as Churchill and the rest of the government believed that boosting people’s morale kept them healthy, happy and therefore motivated to do their bit for the war effort. There’s nothing of the sort in this case.

Mantra and soundbites – we see this everyday as evidenced by the relentless propaganda and dealing with people be it our friends or authority figures. What’s despairing is how its hard to get through people using logic, common sense and rationality. This is why I’ve given up with family and friends because no matter what I say, it doesn’t go into their brains. I seem to have much more of an impact with total strangers.

We’ve long come to the conclusion that there will be hell to pay for this. Dr Murphy’s piece is another proof that the cure has become worse than the disease.

287614 ▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Bart Simpson, 21, #247 of 1437 🔗

It’s why I have not watched a single daily briefing given by bozo and his various clowns.

287617 ▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to karenovirus, 19, #248 of 1437 🔗

Same here. I just couldn’t stand it – its all so vacuous, infantile and patronising.

287708 ▶▶▶▶ Sue, replying to Bart Simpson, 14, #249 of 1437 🔗

ditto – can’t bear to listen/watch any of the gov briefings – it’s like they are talking to children.

287836 ▶▶▶▶▶ Sam Vimes, replying to Sue, 3, #250 of 1437 🔗

Yep, I’d sooner get an informed ‘third hand’ replay from here.

288624 ▶▶▶ Cheshirecatslave, replying to karenovirus, 1, #251 of 1437 🔗

Me neither.

287626 ▶▶ kh1485, replying to Bart Simpson, 24, #252 of 1437 🔗

I was horrified recently when a so-called carer instructed her charge (a young man with Down’s Syndrome) that he had to wear his mask – he was trying to take it off at the time. I told him he didn’t need to wear it and it stayed off. But I was appalled at her treatment of him.

287633 ▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to kh1485, 14, #253 of 1437 🔗

She is only acting that way out of fear of what the response of other people will be. The Gov, MSM and Police have made people into COVID Vigilantes.

287639 ▶▶▶▶ kh1485, replying to JohnB, 23, #254 of 1437 🔗

Says an awful lot about her and anyone who would object to someone with Down’s not wearing a mask. I keep saying it, but what a vile, horrible place this country has become.

287646 ▶▶▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to kh1485, 18, #255 of 1437 🔗

It’s fear and panic though, a lot of people just don’t want conflict. One of my children is disabled and his friends parents won’t even take their children out because the children wont wear masks or if they do they take them off, they are then approached by shop owners or COVID vigilantes who cause a scene asking them to leave the establishment.

Kind heartedness and tolerance has gone out the window.

287635 ▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to kh1485, 14, #256 of 1437 🔗

That is indeed appalling and ignorant. There is a reason why people with learning disabilities shouldn’t wear masks.

And even people who have undergone medical procedure as well. Have been trying to persuade my father-in-law who had a minor stroke last year to claim exemption but at the moment he’s hesitant to go against the grain. And this from a man who’s left wing and has always been critical of governments.

287643 ▶▶▶▶ kh1485, replying to Bart Simpson, 23, #257 of 1437 🔗

I know. I’ve given out lanyards to older people who have clearly been in distress, only to find the next time they come in, they are wearing a damned mask.

What I find heartbreaking also is seeing young children wearing them. One child a few weeks ago was in the shop with his masked-up parents (mercifully, he was unmasked) and you could see quite clearly that he was scanning the room for a friendly face. That they are denying the fact that we are essentially social animals is hugely destructive and de-humanising.

287647 ▶▶▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to kh1485, 14, #258 of 1437 🔗

I think many old people are frightened of their own children and the possibility of not being able to see their grandchildren or what people think of them. It’s sad.

Agree with you about children, I’m appalled to see my nieces both wearing masks and visors to the point that I’ve stopped following their parents’ anti-social media accounts because I might say something to them that can cause a rupture in the family.

287615 TJN, replying to TJN, 26, #259 of 1437 🔗

Oh, what happened to you

Whatever happened to me

What became of …

Dr Jenny Harries, Deputy Chief Medical Officer for Engand?

 She seemed to have her feet on the ground, to have more integrity, and be more capable of independent thought than the rest of the goons (not a high bar, I know). Perhaps that’s why she’s been sidelined. Pity she hasn’t resigned; but here’s hoping she knows where the bodies are buried and is ready eventually to tell the tale.

287619 ▶▶ JohnB, replying to TJN, 24, #260 of 1437 🔗

Never heard from her after she said masks were useless against COVID-19.

It was the 29th August she said “‘Evidence on face coverings is not very strong,’

Probably taken away after this to be shot, which is why we haven’t heard anything of her since then.

287629 ▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to TJN, 8, #261 of 1437 🔗

I’ve always wondered what happened to her? She was better than the Two Ronnies of Doom and that other bloke who was on the news recently. Shan’t dignify him by referring to him by name.

287638 ▶▶ dpj, replying to TJN, 12, #262 of 1437 🔗

Going by your post and existing replies it’s definitely a case of you answering your own questions. There is no way someone who actually knows what they are talking about and/or refuses to follow official narrative will be allowed to continue to take part in official briefings. If she had been involved this week she would probably have been saying that only small percentage in at risk category needed the vaccine.

287710 ▶▶ Sue, replying to TJN, 8, #263 of 1437 🔗

probably in the tower for having the audacity to speak a little morsal of truth

287783 ▶▶ VickyA, replying to TJN, 9, #264 of 1437 🔗

My OH knew her professionally a few years ago. Said she was a very smart cookie. Probably too intelligent to follow orders.

287954 ▶▶▶ Dodderydude, replying to VickyA, 5, #265 of 1437 🔗

‘too intelligent…” and too much integrity.

287950 ▶▶ Dodderydude, replying to TJN, 8, #266 of 1437 🔗

I recall four or five months ago that UK Column alluded to a communication they had received from a viewer who asserted that they knew someone personally who was VERY high up in the Health Service who was concerned about the way things were heading and (if I recall correctly) felt that the measures being taken were a vast over-reaction. Makes you wonder, doesn’t it?

288079 ▶▶ Ceriain, replying to TJN, 9, #267 of 1437 🔗

She’s still around; she gave evidence to the Health and Social Care Committee & Science and Technology Committee on November 24th. She was in the 2nd session with Matt Handjob.

What was interesting was that to loads of questions Handjob handed them to Harries, and then said to Committee when she finished, “I was going to say just that.” He really is a lying bastard!

288809 ▶▶ David Grimbleby, replying to TJN, 1, #268 of 1437 🔗

She was the one who said masks don’t work.

287616 vargas99, replying to vargas99, 29, #269 of 1437 🔗

I ‘m looking forward to the day that Bozo and Wancock take their new medicine live in TV. Only to be immediately struck down by a cytokine storm because as they’ve already had it, their immune system goes into overdrive. Watching them fall on the floor frothing at the mouth will make my day. Or am I just being mean?

287623 ▶▶ Biker, replying to vargas99, 19, #270 of 1437 🔗

No no, i’m with you on that. I don’t believe in Karma and all that bollocks so i can safely say i hope very very very unpleasant things happen to these people.

287627 ▶▶ JohnB, replying to vargas99, 17, #271 of 1437 🔗

I don’t think Saline solution or vitamin C will cause that kind of reaction though?

288314 ▶▶ richard riewer, replying to vargas99, #272 of 1437 🔗

The Bozo & Wancock Show.

288479 ▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to vargas99, #273 of 1437 🔗

I think you’re being optimistic.

You’re supposed to be a sceptic if you frequent here!

287618 Jonathan Smith, replying to Jonathan Smith, 9, #274 of 1437 🔗

In another forum that has nothing to do with Covid, I saw people discussing whether they’d hang on to masks when it’s over (i.e. called off). Disappointingly all but one in around 50 commentators intend to hang on to masks. The one dissenting voice was shouted down and vilified as encouraging practices that would harm people.

287622 ▶▶ annie, replying to Jonathan Smith, 15, #275 of 1437 🔗

49 morons.

287634 ▶▶▶ karenovirus, replying to annie, 1, #276 of 1437 🔗

98 tiers

288321 ▶▶▶▶ richard riewer, replying to karenovirus, 1, #277 of 1437 🔗

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R7uC5m-IRns
? and the Mysterians: 96 Tears

288480 ▶▶▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to richard riewer, #278 of 1437 🔗

Those were the days!

287624 ▶▶ Charlie Blue, replying to Jonathan Smith, 7, #279 of 1437 🔗

Were they giving reasons why, Jonathan? Have they come to see fellow humans as nothing more than a giant collection of deadly pathogens?

287628 ▶▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Charlie Blue, 2, #280 of 1437 🔗

Which is what we are though in general immune from each other.
(Yes I know, Aztecs V Conquistadors).

287632 ▶▶▶ annie, replying to Charlie Blue, 6, #281 of 1437 🔗

That’s exactly what they see. Look at those bulging, terrified eyes above the nappy.

287637 ▶▶▶▶ Charlie Blue, replying to annie, 5, #282 of 1437 🔗

I think you’re right in many cases, Annie. So I wonder what they think the point of being alive is?

288797 ▶▶▶▶▶ annie, replying to Charlie Blue, 1, #283 of 1437 🔗

Not being dead. That’s all life means to them.

287630 ▶▶ thedarkhorse, replying to Jonathan Smith, 9, #284 of 1437 🔗

It’ll take years to break many people of the habit. The only way I can see is, when these damn things are repealed, to ignore anyone with a mask on and/or laugh at them to make them feel stupid. But it is a serious psychological problem.

287642 ▶▶ Biker, replying to Jonathan Smith, 26, #285 of 1437 🔗

It’s probably safe to assume that the women of that group are ugly bastards and the masks are an actual improvement. I do get offend by ugly people, don’t know why but there’s munters fucking everywhere. I’m sure there may be a condition relating to my fear of ugly woman. I’m also terrified of fat people. I feel they should have masks sown to their fat disgusting faces and not allowed to eat until they are of a respectable size. Anyone who is fat and wearing a face mask shows a level of detachment from reality that is quite beautiful. Me? I smoke and ride bikes i know the risks and still take my chances without the mask or the vax. I don’t eat much because it keeps you thin and sharp. Who the fuck wants to be fat and slow. I say this because i’m not long back from the shop where i watched this huge fat cunt lift his mask off his face as i approached the shop and he stuffed a sausage roll almost in a oner into his face, at which point i noticed he had another two bags of hot bakery products a large bottle of fizzy juice and a multi pack of crisps. Still he wears the mask to protect me not him so i guess i’m just being cruel.

287656 ▶▶ JohnB, replying to Jonathan Smith, 12, #286 of 1437 🔗

It’s all superstition though, it’s like carrying a lucky rabbits foot, or touching your collar after seeing a hearse. Face masks remind me of those strips you used to see hanging off cars in the 1980’s, they were anti-static strips but somewhere along the line someone had said they were for car sickness so lots of cars had them attached for this reason.

Masks are exactly the same thing, no scientific evidence but because someone said there stop transmissions of infection this has spread like a virus itself, and because people are unable to think for themselves the believe it.

287738 ▶▶▶ PastImperfect, replying to JohnB, 3, #287 of 1437 🔗

Those strips hanging off cars was just a means of raiding the bank accounts of the gullible . As you say, masks are the modern version.

287704 ▶▶ TC, replying to Jonathan Smith, 4, #288 of 1437 🔗

What!
Is there any hope left for this country?

287718 ▶▶ Waldorf, replying to Jonathan Smith, 4, #289 of 1437 🔗

I think ceremonially burning them is appropriate.

287621 Biker, replying to Biker, 43, #290 of 1437 🔗

The vaccine is where the tyre hits the road. Sure the Karens, the mentally ill, the hypochondriacs and the Munchausen by proxy crowd will be there arms out like junkies but after that no one in their right might will take it. It is assumed, wrongly i feel, that most people are fucking morons and will do what the government say but using an etch-a-sketch and the IChing i predict eight out of ten won’t go anywhere near it. Sure technically speaking my friends and i are pretty much the only sane people left but we’re talking about your survival here and even the thickest welfare claimant wants to live and can see this vaccine is a threat to them. Obviously they’ll lie about the figures, claim many more people have taken it, then reduce the testing to only the actually sick and within three months the virus will be away. Johnston and Sturgeon are then free to write their memoirs detailing how they won the war. Personally i’m gonna start a petition to have a statue made of Fraü Sturgeon and erected in my town so i can piss on it every day. Have you seen her husband by the way? he gives me the boke, he is a creepy fucking dude.

287631 ▶▶ Cecil B, replying to Biker, 2, #291 of 1437 🔗

Photograph please

287641 ▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Biker, 4, #292 of 1437 🔗

Coming out soon, cheap useless masks with the printed slogan

“I’ve Had The Jab !”

( ‘boke’ ?).

287645 ▶▶▶ Biker, replying to karenovirus, 7, #293 of 1437 🔗

boke means to throw up in scum language. I married a working class person and have learned some of the lingo from her. I’ve done my best to teach her the correct use of the language but, you know the state educated. Still i get to punisher her when she’s wrong.

287693 ▶▶▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Biker, 1, #294 of 1437 🔗

Thank you, I thought initially it might have been a typo for ‘bonk’ however unlikely that might be.

287818 ▶▶▶▶▶ Biker, replying to karenovirus, 4, #295 of 1437 🔗

you know when you’ve thrown up a few times and your stomach is empty but you’re still being sick, that’s known as the dry boke. Sturgeons man is worse than that.

287736 ▶▶▶▶ Bill h, replying to Biker, 1, #296 of 1437 🔗

It’s a fine Scottish word !

Eg. ‘This gives me ra boke’. = contemplation of the person in question causes me to feel nauseous and may induce vomit.

Very appropriate.

🙂

287636 Cecil B, replying to Cecil B, 7, #297 of 1437 🔗

Where is Vallance?. Missing for over three weeks now

287640 ▶▶ JohnB, replying to Cecil B, 14, #298 of 1437 🔗

He doesn’t need to work anymore after the news of the vaccine. He’s now more stinking rich than he previously was!

287651 ▶▶ Will, replying to Cecil B, 7, #299 of 1437 🔗

Watching the price of his shares I imagine.

287805 ▶▶ Peter, replying to Cecil B, 11, #300 of 1437 🔗

My suspicion with Vallance (and Whitty) is the penny has started to drop and they know they are facing the prospect of spending the rest of their lives in Parkhurst once this fraud they have been at the heart of is uncovered. Certain other members of SAGE are also barely heard from these days, John Edmund was very vocal until the 4000 deaths a day scenario was uncovered as a lie. In fact it seems the only member of SAGE who believes he is still respected and will get away with this is the loathsome toad Van Tam. Even the Commie woman (name escaping me) is very quiet right now.

287820 ▶▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to Peter, 4, #301 of 1437 🔗

Prof Curry has been shifted into view for the media to gorge on more fear over the past 3 or 4 weeks. He’s still peddling the idea we need full lockdowns for 6 weeks. Even though places have already had lockdown now for months. 2.5 months where I live.

288346 ▶▶▶▶ richard riewer, replying to BeBopRockSteady, #302 of 1437 🔗

It’s an assembly line.

288485 ▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Peter, 1, #303 of 1437 🔗

Susan Takingthemickie.
Probably busy hatching the next PsyOp/

287921 ▶▶ Ben, replying to Cecil B, 2, #304 of 1437 🔗

He’s counting his Pharma shares

287644 vargas99, replying to vargas99, 23, #305 of 1437 🔗

When, eventually, I receive my offer of the magical medicine I fully intend to take them up on it. Well at least to trot along armed with my informed consent checklist, liability acceptance from for them to sign and to waste at least an hour of their time until I tell them to fuck right off.

287667 ▶▶ chaos, replying to vargas99, 10, #306 of 1437 🔗

I’m increasingly wondering whether there might be a way of faking a vaccination i.e. claim to the gestapo that you have had the injection when you haven’t, suggest an error has occured and get the records updated. In order to be allowed to travel, etc.

287690 ▶▶▶ Tom Blackburn, replying to chaos, 5, #307 of 1437 🔗

There will inevitably be loopholes which I fully intend to exploit.

287703 ▶▶▶ rose, replying to chaos, 11, #308 of 1437 🔗

I’m sure they’ll fake it for the queen and Prince Philip. It will hardly boost uptake of they drop dead!

287727 ▶▶▶▶ chaos, replying to rose, 3, #309 of 1437 🔗

There are even fake needles available (ebay, Amazon etc) for film and training use..
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2uz1YsCwc4k

288114 ▶▶▶▶ Ceriain, replying to rose, 8, #310 of 1437 🔗

Philip is a lot of things, but he’s not a fool. He’s also 99 and in frail health.

Can you imagine his reaction when some twat comes to him to say, “Sir, time for your Covid jab.”

288489 ▶▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to rose, 1, #311 of 1437 🔗

They won’t get it.
They said they’ll let us know when they’ve had it.
And if you believe that, you’ll believe anything.

288347 ▶▶▶ richard riewer, replying to chaos, 1, #312 of 1437 🔗

Convert to Christian Science.

288787 ▶▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to richard riewer, #313 of 1437 🔗

Or Jehovah’s Witnesses?

287720 ▶▶ Sue, replying to vargas99, 7, #314 of 1437 🔗

likewise – i’m going to create my own risk assessment check sheet with criteria and weighting – request full test data, results of 1,3,5 years, side effects short and long term, impact of wild virus infection, impact of taken with other medicines, who i claim compensation from for short/long term illness … ohhh and the list will go on ad infinitum.
It will be the same result – computer says “NO”!

287743 ▶▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Sue, 10, #315 of 1437 🔗

Alex Belfied YouTube had a video yesterday with a woman whose 11 year old son was given the ‘normal flu’ jab at school.

The injector asked “are you pregnant ?”
‘But I’m a boy !’
“We’re not allowed to assume gender”

Plenty of scope for time wasting there.

287771 ▶▶▶▶ JHuntz, replying to karenovirus, 10, #316 of 1437 🔗

I only need to claim identity as a female who would like to have a child at some point and I am now magically exempt. Thanks clown world!

288349 ▶▶▶▶▶ richard riewer, replying to JHuntz, #317 of 1437 🔗

Good one.

288376 ▶▶▶ Spikedee1, replying to Sue, 4, #318 of 1437 🔗

How much is the person with the needle earning? £12 an hour? Here is a £50 note. Put me down as vaccinated please, thanks.

287648 Biker, replying to Biker, 23, #319 of 1437 🔗

I was watching an old episode of Lovejoy and it featured the Hothouse Flowers so i downloaded from the bay their oeuvre and i’m now blasting it. I highly recommend a day off from the skeptics and just put on some groovy music and having a little party to yourself. A few smokes, a couple of drinks, a nice spot of Bruschetta followed by some kind of fish dish will do me. Get some friends round, do whatever it is you did before this bullshit started.

287665 ▶▶ chaos, replying to Biker, 1, #320 of 1437 🔗

I gave up all drugs and I get too depressed after a drink. But I’ll enjoy Led Zep and fish n chips.

287731 ▶▶▶ Sam Vimes, replying to chaos, 1, #321 of 1437 🔗

They’ll both ‘go down well’ <gets coat>.

287834 ▶▶▶▶ chaos, replying to Sam Vimes, #322 of 1437 🔗

took me a few seconds to get it 🙂

287816 ▶▶▶ Biker, replying to chaos, 2, #323 of 1437 🔗

I too gave up drugs, when i had a family and very rarely drink these days. It’s a young mans game all that.

287729 ▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Biker, 3, #324 of 1437 🔗

I went out to get something from the car at 4am this morning. The lad in the ground floor flat was coming in with two bottles of Smirnoff and three mates who are definitely not in his bubble.

As for relaxing on Sunday I give myself a respite from the BBC sticking to the local community radio station which plays good music non-stop with no chat, not even news.

287657 PoshPanic, replying to PoshPanic, 1, #325 of 1437 🔗

Wow, just wow. The Lancet is now officially, a publisher of pseudoscience.
And they have the nerve to call us conspiracy theorists!

https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lanplh/article/PIIS2542-5196(20)30252-7/fulltext

287670 ▶▶ David Owsley, replying to PoshPanic, 3, #326 of 1437 🔗

it does say it is a personal view…but many of the quotes above (Camus and Solzhenitsyn to name but two) apply to this sort of Lancet twaddle being used as justification for nefarious ends.

288352 ▶▶ richard riewer, replying to PoshPanic, 1, #327 of 1437 🔗

Lance the Lancet.

287658 David Owsley, replying to David Owsley, 7, #328 of 1437 🔗

You may all also recall that many people had a persistent cough in 17/18 and 18/19 before it became a symptom akin to the black death.

287677 ▶▶ mhcp, replying to David Owsley, 2, #329 of 1437 🔗

That’s very true. Often for weeks and sometimes even months. A dry cough.

287700 ▶▶▶ FenTyger, replying to mhcp, #330 of 1437 🔗

Every year, seasonal asthma

287659 Julian, replying to Julian, 6, #331 of 1437 🔗

Couple of gripes about today’s update:

1) The letter to the MP regarding mandatory vaccination includes the phrase “I am not anti-vax”. Overly defensive in my view. I myself am not “anti-vax” but as soon as you concede that being “anti-vax” is a thing to apologise for then you’re on a slippery slope.

2) Switerland is described as lockdown-free. This may have been true at one point but does not appear true any longer. See here for more details: https://www.bag.admin.ch/bag/en/home/krankheiten/ausbrueche-epidemien-pandemien/aktuelle-ausbrueche-epidemien/novel-cov/barrierefreie-inhalte/leichte-sprache/neue-regeln-des-bundes.html#-1538815320

These rules and restrictions apply for all of SwitzerlandThe Swiss federal government has set new rules.
The rules apply for all of Switzerland.
The new rules have been in place since 29 October and 2 November 2020.
There are stricter rules in some cantons.
The rules in these cantons take priority.
Masks Masks in public transport Everyone must wear a mask in all
public transport areas.
This also includes train stations
and when you are waiting at a bus stop.
Wearing a mask indoors in public Everyone must now also wear a mask at the following places:

  • Shops
  • Banks
  • Post offices
  • Restaurants
  • Bars
  • Hotels
  • Theatres
  • Museums
  • Cinemas
  • Sports facilities:
  • in the reception area and in the changing rooms

You must now wear a mask at the following places:

  • At work
  • Only if you cannot maintain a distance of 1.5 metres from other people.
  • At secondary and vocational schools

Masks in some areas outdoors For example:

  • In the outside areas of shops and restaurants
  • At markets
  • In all places where there are a lot of people

The following people do not have to wear a mask:

  • Children under 12 years of age.
  • People who cannot wear masks for medical reasons.

Restaurants, bars and discosYou may only eat and drink in restaurants and bars when you are sitting down.
This applies both inside and outside.
The following rules also apply:

  • A maximum of 4 people are allowed to sit at one table.
  • This figure does not apply for parents with children.
  • All restaurants and bars must close between 11 p.m. and 6 a.m.
  • Discos and nightclubs are not allowed to open.
  • All dance events are forbidden.

EventsAll events with more than 50 people are forbidden.
All major events in Switzerland are also forbidden.
This includes, for example, football matches and ice hockey games.
MeetingsNo more than 15 people may meet at any one time.
This rule also applies in public places.
For example:

  • In a square
  • On walking routes
  • In a park

Private events with family and friendsIf you want to meet with friends or family,
no more than 10 people can meet at any one time.
SchoolsLessons are no longer allowed to be held in classrooms at colleges and universities.
These classes may only be held online.
Lessons can be held normally in all other schools.
Sports and culture The following rules apply:

  • No more than 15 persons are allowed to be in close contact with one another
  • at sporting and cultural events.
  • All sports that involve physical contact are forbidden.
  • Choirs are no longer allowed to rehearse or hold concerts.

The following are still allowed:

  • Sports for children under 16 years of age
  • Indoor sports are permitted.
  • With no more than 15 people and no physical contact.
  • Social distancing rules must also be followed.
  • And everyone must wear a mask.
  • For example:
  • Yoga
  • Tennis
  • Gymnastics
  • Outdoor sports are permitted.
  • Social distancing rules must also be followed.
  • Or everyone must wear a mask.
  • For example:
  • Jogging
  • Cross-country skiing
  • Professional athletes are allowed to take part in training sessions and competitions.
  • Rehearsals for professional choirs may take place.

Working from homeAs many people as possible should work from home again.
Employers must follow the rules about working from home
provided by the Swiss federal government.

287721 ▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Julian, 3, #332 of 1437 🔗

Reads like the Swiss have been taken over by the Puritans again.

288354 ▶▶▶ richard riewer, replying to karenovirus, 1, #333 of 1437 🔗

Infiltration of the Change Agents.

287821 ▶▶ calchas, replying to Julian, 4, #334 of 1437 🔗

Tyranny!

287918 ▶▶ Mark, replying to Julian, 5, #335 of 1437 🔗

“1) The letter to the MP regarding mandatory vaccination includes the phrase “I am not anti-vax”. Overly defensive in my view. I myself am not “anti-vax” but as soon as you concede that being “anti-vax” is a thing to apologise for then you’re on a slippery slope.

You are absolutely correct, of course, but the problem is that the situation makes it pretty much unavoidable. That’s one of the powerful aspects of these flexible smear terms – they force that kind of disclaimer and put you immediately on the back foot.

As a traditionalist and a conservative, I’ve spent years starting discussions with “I’m not a racist but”. That’s because the indoctrinators and smear merchants successfully created a situation in which those who adopted certain positions – opposition to a policy of mass immigration, resistance to various illiberal “antiracist” tyrannies, etc) were automatically associated with genuinely nasty racist thuggery. Just as opposition to the latest vaccine is systematically associated with past campaigns against vaccination, already successfully demonised in most quarters under the label “anti-vaxxers”. (In this case, I recognise that there is a distinction to be made, in that the racist smear referred to genuinely nasty behaviour, whereas the antivax smear was constructed based on a charge that opposition to vaccination causes children to die of diseases that they would otherwise be protected from. The latter of course is unfair in many ways, but has been largely successfully established, so it;’s really a distinction without a difference in this case.)

Because those societal indoctrinations have been successful, you are automatically assumed to be the demonised position (either opponent of all vaccination or black-hating thug) as soon as you express a position on the target debate. If you don’t defend yourself, you are delegitimised ab initio. Your choice, in practice, is to defuse that attack at the outset (leading to the position you describe in your point 1), or you have to do the same in response to the inevitable dismissal (which of course you might not be present for or aware of).

It’s a hugely effective political weapon, and it has been deployed, so it is necessary to respond to it. Ignoring it is not really an option.

I just tend to avoid the smear term anti-vax” and say “I’m not opposed to all vaccinatons”.

288433 ▶▶ Edward, replying to Julian, 1, #336 of 1437 🔗

That sounds like 99% lockdown, with the only get-out being exemption on medical grounds, though they possibly require a medical certificate of exemption.

287664 Ben, 13, #337 of 1437 🔗

There’s so much wrong in the world. Many want assisted suicide when the time comes, so they can escape a protracted, painful and undignified death that’s upsetting for themselves and their loved ones – but that death is denied them by the government and is illegal

The removal of food, water, medicines integral to the scandal of the care home deaths* and the Liverpool Care Pathway was legal and was neither dignified nor quick but still a form of dirty backdoor euthanasia

It’s a cowardly double-dealing disrespect for human rights and of people’s wishes. If people actually want to die – let them die a civilised death. If people want to live – let them live

Throughout the Corona Scandal there have been echoes of Aktion T4

https://www.hsj.co.uk/coronavirus/unprecedented-number-of-dnr-orders-for-learning-disabilities-patients/7027480.article

* according to some whistle-blowers

287668 chaos, replying to chaos, 9, #338 of 1437 🔗

Boris Kemal and Princess Nut Nut are still in charge.
It’s a never-ending bad trip.

287815 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to chaos, 4, #339 of 1437 🔗

I see one of her friends was handed a government advisor role without competition. As is the way these days.

287669 PastImperfect, replying to PastImperfect, 9, #340 of 1437 🔗

Witney Webb

… the success of the experimental mRNA mass vaccination program appears to hinge on the general population being unable to effectively articulate their concerns and objections. Whilst the mainstream media are quick to point out when somebody makes an error in how they believe the mRNA vaccine works, they don’t offer any further information than the official government line. Public distrust in vaccination programs is not the fault of those who don’t understand the way this brand-new technology works. Public distrust is all-pervasive because only one side of the argument is allowed to be heard. We do need to understand the technology involved, as there is a difference between mRNA vaccines and DNA vaccines. Having a general understanding of the reason why someone should object to being given an experimental mRNA vaccine is necessary for creating a clear and
coherent argument.

https://unlimitedhangout.com/2020/11/reports/pfizers-experimental-covid-19-vaccine-what-youre-not-being-told/?fbclid=IwAR2wDxvF-AmSqM27XwSKiuxPBzryShG3vq5mHTQgc1OhXBvVIaJYetTHAj8

287812 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to PastImperfect, 1, #341 of 1437 🔗

She’s fantastic. Her digging into the Maxwell family, Epstein, Mossad is some heavy duty stuff. The Maxwell involvement in IT surveillance is just incredible

288148 ▶▶ Ben, replying to PastImperfect, 2, #342 of 1437 🔗

Witney Webb (whoever she is) could just as easily have said that people are allowed to say ‘No’ without having to give any justification at all

287671 Brett_McS, replying to Brett_McS, 5, #343 of 1437 🔗

Most nurses will know of elderly patients who were annoyed to have been resuscitated, but it should definitely not be for the hospital to decide not to resuscitate.

287687 ▶▶ chaos, replying to Brett_McS, 8, #344 of 1437 🔗

In some ways I envy the old. They are about to get off the UN Klaus Boris Princess Slut Nut Forced Sterilisation of the plebs merrygoround.

287679 alw, replying to alw, 11, #345 of 1437 🔗

The papers in full madness mode today.

Telegraph: “Don’t talk while eating in restaurants, study warnsDiners should refrain from having “conversation during meals” as well as avoid “loud talking or shouting”, according to researchers.”

Daily Mail: “ Queen ‘to get Covid vaccine in weeks’: Monarch, 94, will ‘wait in line’ for over-80s roll-out with Prince Philip, 99, before revealing she has had the jab to boost take-up.” Given that the royal family are into homoeopathy and there are so many unknowns about the vaccine, I doubt whether the government would want to kill of the Queen, the backlash would be terrifying or is there some hidden agenda?“

“A negative test and 10% off your steak: Marco Pierre White’s restaurant is among Liverpool businesses to offer discounts for people who can prove they don’t have Covid-19.” Council hopes to boost take-up of testing while encouraging visits to high street.” Liverpool Council wreaked havoc on its economy and now this which the silly old taxpayer will have to foot the bill for this eventually. The wheels came off for Matt and Dido’s grand plan to test everyone in Liverpool. Now there are bribes.

287697 ▶▶ TC, replying to alw, 4, #346 of 1437 🔗

God save the Queen.
A 94 year old woman leading from the front.
A lesson to all our spineless polititians and a seemingly spineless populace.
I still have no plans to take this vaccine as yet (although I’m not an anti vaxxer) and I hope she is ok.
The Prime Muppet will be hoping she carries on for the rest of his term of office as he won’t want to go down in history as a regicide.

287723 ▶▶▶ alw, replying to TC, 5, #347 of 1437 🔗

I am not an anti-vaxxer either, but won’t be having the jab as I don’t feel it is necessary. Have travelled extensively and had every single jab except Japanese encephalitis.

287762 ▶▶▶ JHuntz, replying to TC, 7, #348 of 1437 🔗

I am very sceptical that she’ll take the real thing…

287806 ▶▶▶▶ anon, replying to JHuntz, 5, #349 of 1437 🔗

yip total bullshit

288123 ▶▶▶▶ Ceriain, replying to JHuntz, 1, #350 of 1437 🔗

Agreed! She’s 94; what would the point be of her taking it at all?

287993 ▶▶▶ mjr, replying to TC, 4, #351 of 1437 🔗

wonder if prince charles was urging this. “maybe try all the vaccines, mummy”

288138 ▶▶▶ Ben, replying to TC, 2, #352 of 1437 🔗

Prince Charles is pushing the Great Reset. The World Economic Forum monster that’s driving all of this nightmare. Look on YouTube

287726 ▶▶ Sam Vimes, replying to alw, 8, #353 of 1437 🔗

“Hello, I’m sure I do not have covid, Ihave never had any symptoms”
“Sorry, can’t come in”
“Hello, I’ve just had a test that could very well say I’m negative, even if I have the disease”
“Right this way, Sir…”

287756 ▶▶▶ thinkaboutit, replying to Sam Vimes, 1, #354 of 1437 🔗

Totally illogical as you could catch the Rona a minute after you’ve had the test.

287753 ▶▶ thinkaboutit, replying to alw, 6, #355 of 1437 🔗

Can some enterprising Liverpudlian sue Marco Pierre White for discrimination?

287837 ▶▶ TyRade, replying to alw, #357 of 1437 🔗

and don’t purse your lips when booing BLM

287897 ▶▶ Ben, replying to alw, 3, #358 of 1437 🔗

Are the authors of this study actual psychos? Serious question.

Let’s forget any aspect of pleasure or joy or human interaction and just attach a feeding tube to ourselves shall we? We can lie in solidarity confinement to stay safe.

A big FU** OFF! to the people imposing these rules on us is not strong enough. I want to see these behavioural scientists and politicians take a psychopathy test and to stand trial for crimes against humanity – they would never understand though, because they have no humanity

287930 ▶▶ Dodderydude, replying to alw, 2, #359 of 1437 🔗

You’ve missed this one in the DM – Dan Hodges quoting ‘a Minister’ claiming that those of us who have concerns about the vaccine have been influenced by Russian bots.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/article-9021779/DAN-HODGES-Vladimir-Putins-anti-vaxxers-trying-use-Covid-kill-us.html

“Misfits and oddballs” is how Hodges describes people with rational concerns. If you read the article it is clear that Hodges is the oddball. He equates this allegation to Salisbury, and theorises that Putin wants to make sure that we all die of Covid. And we are the ‘conspiracy theorists’??? He has completely lost it for sure…maybe that’s a symptom of Covid. I initially thought it must be a satirical article but it appears to be deadly serious..

288464 ▶▶ Edward, replying to alw, 2, #360 of 1437 🔗

The Telegraph is pretty awful covid-wise today, except cartoonist Bob, and Madeline Grant on the likely persistence of restrictions and surveillance. Daniel Hannan makes some good observations but still seems to rate Johnson as a leader.

287680 davews, replying to davews, 26, #361 of 1437 🔗

The latest Government ad on the radio has instructions to keep the windows open so the virus particles blow away. Surely if the window is open virus bits outside will blow inside… If it is important to keep the air fresh then masks totally destroy that. Sadly people believe all this nonsense.

287692 ▶▶ Major Panic, replying to davews, 11, #362 of 1437 🔗

I remember my Granny telly me to wrap up warm or I will catch pneumonia – now I need to tell Granny to catch pneumonia to protect herself from covid

287694 ▶▶ karenovirus, replying to davews, 4, #363 of 1437 🔗

Wesr a leather gimp mask with a little zip to let the covids out regularly.

287699 ▶▶ p02099003, replying to davews, 4, #364 of 1437 🔗

But they don’t allow spectators at an outdoor sports venue.

287706 ▶▶▶ karenovirus, replying to p02099003, 10, #365 of 1437 🔗

From todays main piece, Millwall fans slated for booing when their own team took the knee.
Luvvies are torn between condemning their actions and making out how few were involved.

Top Mail comment has 20k 👍 , ten times the number of spectators allowed into the ground.

287730 ▶▶▶▶ Fiona Walker, replying to karenovirus, 19, #366 of 1437 🔗

The fun fact is that even though the identity of everyone in the ground was known, the cameras can’t pick up who was booing (life ban etc) as they all had to wear masks!

287789 ▶▶ Bella Donna, replying to davews, 4, #367 of 1437 🔗

The government are real crazy fkucwits and for those people out there swallowing the Lie they deserve everything they get. We don’t but at least we can tell them serves yourself right!

288281 ▶▶ John Stitch non stop dancer, replying to davews, 2, #368 of 1437 🔗

I heard that fucking funny.like it’s an aerosol that can travel 30 feet into your open window by a zombie below.

288361 ▶▶▶ richard riewer, replying to John Stitch non stop dancer, 2, #369 of 1437 🔗

The droplets can also stay suspended in air, just hangin’ around.

288457 ▶▶ Edward, replying to davews, 3, #370 of 1437 🔗

Newspaper adverts too, a picture of an old lady in an armchair while a young man opens the window. In my experience old folks often “feel the cold” and aren’t likely to be keen on opening windows in winter. Not sure what the physiological reason is, maybe skin being thinner than in younger people or just the body being less efficient

287695 Crazy Hoarse, 10, #371 of 1437 🔗

“a new — and, no doubt, well-intentioned — NHS initiative to help those over 65 live at home and not burden hospitals”.

This is the exact opposite of ‘well-intentioned’ as it’s entirely there to protect the NHS not human beings. Oh no you don’t understand we’re not trying to get rid of people, we’re trying to help them to help the NHS like they should do

287702 James Leary #KBF, replying to James Leary #KBF, 11, #372 of 1437 🔗

I did my Christmas decorations last evening, without any enthusiasm. A succession of jumped up government clerks have lectured and hectored me for months, have withdrawn civil rights from me, and have sent morons in and out of uniform to interfere with my life. I reckon I’m running on 40% freedom, so I’m celebrating Christmas at 40%. No tree, no Blackpool illuminations inside or out as in other years, as a testament to the bad taste that is the festive season these days (in a normal year). And my cup runneth over when I got an email containing threats from the BBC licensing goons. A visit is promised. Bring it on. We can call it another Covid death. FUCM.

287711 ▶▶ karenovirus, replying to James Leary #KBF, 6, #373 of 1437 🔗

As predicted none of the shops on my dilapidated high street have bothered putting out the usual Xmas trees or festive lights but on a late trip for essential supplies last night i noticed about the usual number of private households have exterior lighting displays.

287749 ▶▶ thinkaboutit, replying to James Leary #KBF, 7, #374 of 1437 🔗

Last year I had a big illuminated decoration that said JOY.
This year I’m wondering if I can bend the wires so it says F*CK BORIS.

287781 ▶▶▶ Bella Donna, replying to thinkaboutit, 5, #375 of 1437 🔗

LOL. I just had a mental image of all our houses and hedges lit up with “Bozo is a Prick” emblazoned on all houses. Now that would send some message wouldn’t it!

287838 ▶▶▶ Two-Six, replying to thinkaboutit, 2, #376 of 1437 🔗

How about this? Self adhesive 12 volt LED strip. Pretty cheap and available in a variety of colours. Easy to make a sign with them.
https://hobbyking.com/en_us/turnigy-high-density-r-c-led-flexible-strip-blue-1mtr.html?queryID=&objectID=23123&indexName=hbk_live_magento_en_us_products

288375 ▶▶▶▶ richard riewer, replying to Two-Six, 1, #377 of 1437 🔗

Take a photo of your work, make a Xmas card and send it to all and sundry.

287779 ▶▶ Bella Donna, replying to James Leary #KBF, 4, #378 of 1437 🔗

I deliberately put up our tree and decorations early as it’s been such a miserable year, because of these madmen in government, and we play some of our Christmas songs every day too. It has cheered me up! This government have destroyed our lives this year but within these 4 walls this is our home and the government can go swivel! So my advice would be go ahead and celebrate Christmas with tree and decorations, friends and family.

⛄ 🌟 🎉 🎶 🎁 🌲 🎅 🎄 🥂 🍷

287807 ▶▶ Sarigan, replying to James Leary #KBF, 7, #379 of 1437 🔗

Driving around seeing the garish lights everywhere makes me feel sick (more than usual at this time of year). How can people contemplate celebrating anything in this shit fest?

I am a bah humbug so may actually enjoy a shit Christmas this year.

287707 Victoria, 11, #380 of 1437 🔗

The reason the zealots hate it [The Great Barrington Declaration], of course, is that it gives the lie to their claim that “the science” only supports their strategy. These three scientists are every bit as eminent – more eminent – than the pro-lockdown fanatics so expect no let up in the attacks. ( Wikipedia has also done a smear job .)

Ha ha, I see Wikipedia is begging for donations again, they even claim that your donation will ‘defend’ their ‘independence’. They are NOT independent. They have an army of editors that constantly changing / censoring information.

If you want to make a donation, I would highly recommend either to Lockdownsceptics or the Free Speech Union

287709 CivilianNotCovidian, replying to CivilianNotCovidian, 16, #381 of 1437 🔗

There’s a big social media campaign starting and gathering speed to get BONKERS by Dizzee Rascal to No.1 for Christmas, forcing BBC Radio1 to play it… as our message to the UK government…

“Some people say I’m Bonkers, but I think I’m free. I’m just living my life, ain’t nothing crazy about me…”

PLEASE let’s do this! Find the song, purchase and download. Let’s get a good LS push behind this. A few celebs and big campaigns are getting on board. And it’s linked to a campaign to raise money for Us For Them – probably the MOST important campaign and lobby group there is at the moment. Fighting for children’s rights.

Please share!
LS admin, let’s get this on the front page!

287722 ▶▶ Major Panic, replying to CivilianNotCovidian, 8, #382 of 1437 🔗

hopefully the more people that chose to take the vaccine the more we will be protected from lockdowns

covid is a religion, no point in trying to change the beliefs of the believers – may they all enjoy the side effects of the jab and the unknown consequences

287712 Fingerache Philip., replying to Fingerache Philip., 7, #383 of 1437 🔗

I am not an “anti vaxer”, but I respect and understand the 35% of people who say that they will refuse it.

287725 ▶▶ jb12, replying to Fingerache Philip., 24, #384 of 1437 🔗

Most people who will refuse it aren’t ‘anti-vaxxers’ either. ‘Anti-vaxxer’ is just another in a long line of slurs created so the sheeple can immediately put anyone labelled it into their ‘Do Not Listen’ box – much like ‘sexist’, ‘racist’, ‘homophobe’, conspiracy theorist’, ‘anti-Semite’ etc.

287728 ▶▶▶ Fingerache Philip., replying to jb12, 2, #385 of 1437 🔗

I take your point, jb; understood!

287790 ▶▶▶ Nsklent, replying to jb12, 6, #386 of 1437 🔗

Agree. I find it annoying when people start a perfect legitimate argument with the anti vax phrase – reminds me of the I am not a racist phrase before arguing a perfectly legitimate point on illegal immigration. Why are you apologising for making rational statements.

287951 ▶▶▶▶ jb12, replying to Nsklent, 1, #387 of 1437 🔗

Yes, I agree. But it does show how effective these slurs are at framing discourse within certain boundaries. That is why I refuse to even entertain them as valid speech.

288390 ▶▶▶ richard riewer, replying to jb12, 1, #388 of 1437 🔗

The Sheeple adore simple sound bytes. They are easily stored and don’t take up a lot of grey matter.

287734 ▶▶ chaos, replying to Fingerache Philip., 19, #389 of 1437 🔗

I am anti-vax. I’d rather trust my immune system. And in the wake of the corona coup I will never trust vaccine companies ever again.

287782 ▶▶▶ Fingerache Philip., replying to chaos, 6, #390 of 1437 🔗

AGREED.

287740 ▶▶ Victoria, replying to Fingerache Philip., 8, #392 of 1437 🔗

Pro choice

287785 ▶▶▶ Fingerache Philip., replying to Victoria, 2, #393 of 1437 🔗

AGREED.

287768 ▶▶ Bella Donna, replying to Fingerache Philip., 4, #394 of 1437 🔗

I’m not an anti vaxxer but this is just the sort of nasty government propaganda they churn out.

287786 ▶▶▶ Fingerache Philip., replying to Bella Donna, #395 of 1437 🔗

AGREED.

287797 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to Fingerache Philip., 3, #396 of 1437 🔗

I like the 35%. Many will say they are up for it knowing they are way down the list and will hope to never be in that position. Guaranteed people are not being honest about this given the nati vaxxer slurs

287814 ▶▶ calchas, replying to Fingerache Philip., 8, #397 of 1437 🔗

I refuse to use the term ‘anti-vaxxer’.

It is a propaganda term.

287825 ▶▶▶ Victoria, replying to calchas, 2, #398 of 1437 🔗

Pro choice?

287904 ▶▶ Ben, replying to Fingerache Philip., 4, #399 of 1437 🔗

I’m not an anti-vaxxer (whatever that is) but I shall refuse a rushed through experimental mRNA vaccine that’s been indemnified and warned against side effects, and is a vaccine I don’t need. More worryingly may by tied to a future of immunity passports and state surveillance..

What might the appropriate word be for me? Someone who wants to protect their human rights and bodily autonomy?… A free citizen perhaps

287713 Nsklent, replying to Nsklent, 10, #400 of 1437 🔗

Just thinking a little more broadly about the implications of a DNR order for over 65s. Yes, there are times in hospital when a person is seriously ill and basically has days if not hours to live and resuscitation would be inappropriate. However, the current proposals, besides someone collapsing from stroke, cerebral bleed, MI etc., and not receiving resuscitation efforts, where do they sit within the realms of the operating theatre. Should you be 66 years old having surgery and there are complications which could normally be addressed, will it just be down tools, and oh dear she/ he is a DNR, so no need to bother, just tell the relatives they died on the table, nothing we could do. How far do these DNR orders extend, as we know how words have been redefined in 2020. Once it meant if cardiac resuscitation was required, could this have now been extended to patients requiring oxygen therapy, x amount of drugs exceeded therefore withdraw, IV support etc. Another slippery slope into withdrawing access to medical care.

287754 ▶▶ davews, replying to Nsklent, 7, #401 of 1437 🔗

It depends very much on the circumstances. When Mum died in 2003, right after Christmas, we were called to the hospital that night (and even after midnight the local church minister was already there). Mum had been on oxygen and antibiotics for a couple of days, severe pneumonia, and clearly not going to survive. Me and my brother agreed that she would not want them to keep her alive in these circumstances and agreed she should not be given any more treatment. She died peacefully a few hours later. Had it been a broken leg and she was still mentally fit and capable of enjoying life it would have been totally different. A bit DNR notice pinned to the wall is the ultimate insult.

287765 ▶▶▶ Bella Donna, replying to davews, 7, #402 of 1437 🔗

I agree it’s like saying you’re no longer worth saving! Unbelievably hateful and cruel.

287793 ▶▶▶ Nsklent, replying to davews, 3, #403 of 1437 🔗

Agree. But the important difference is you were consulted and weighed the facts, it was not imposed.

287763 ▶▶ Bella Donna, replying to Nsklent, 4, #404 of 1437 🔗

The whole stinking government should have a DNR notice put on it!

288424 ▶▶▶ richard riewer, replying to Bella Donna, 1, #405 of 1437 🔗

Put a notice on the door handle at #10 Downing Street.

287714 arfurmo, replying to arfurmo, 13, #406 of 1437 🔗

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/global-health/science-and-disease/coronavirus-covid-news-pfizer-vaccine-uk-figures-deaths/ (paywall) but includes “Mask-wearing is here to stay, according to a poll, as half of Britons say they are likely to carry on wearing them after vaccination.
Some 25 per cent (512) of those surveyed will stop covering their face when they have had the vaccine, according to a poll of more than 2,000 people by ORB International.
However, 50 per cent (1,042) don’t want to throw away their masks immediately and think we could be wearing them for at least another year.”
Despair

287716 ▶▶ Sam Vimes, replying to arfurmo, 16, #407 of 1437 🔗

Can’t see the scam.
Don’t know what a virus is.
Don’t know how masks work.
Don’t know what a vaccine does.

At least they are consistent.

287795 ▶▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to Sam Vimes, 2, #408 of 1437 🔗

Good summary. They are completely incapable of grasping any of this. They should have included a question of

“If the government tells you it’s OK to take it off, will you?”

287719 ▶▶ Fingerache Philip., replying to arfurmo, 8, #409 of 1437 🔗

Bring it on!
More oxygen for us sceptics.
Physically and morally.

287742 ▶▶ thinkaboutit, replying to arfurmo, 7, #410 of 1437 🔗

The Global Health team at the DT is funded by Billybot and is a WHO mouthpiece.

287745 ▶▶ Lockdown_Lunacy, replying to arfurmo, 8, #411 of 1437 🔗

50% in some rigged poll is actually quite low. At least we’ll be able to identify the weirdos quite easily.

287784 ▶▶ Noumenon, replying to arfurmo, 4, #412 of 1437 🔗

Given the rate of compliance when there hasn’t been pressure brought to bear, I call BS.

287801 ▶▶ Sarigan, replying to arfurmo, 9, #413 of 1437 🔗

I think if even 25% ditch the mask, that number would grow fast as people see more without and cases and deaths will not increase (unless manipulated of course).

Also makes it easy to spot the true zealots.

287804 ▶▶▶ thinkaboutit, replying to Sarigan, 9, #414 of 1437 🔗

Agreed. Eventually the mask wearers will just look stupid.

287835 ▶▶▶▶ Fingerache Philip., replying to thinkaboutit, 7, #415 of 1437 🔗

They always have looked stupid.

288426 ▶▶ richard riewer, replying to arfurmo, 1, #416 of 1437 🔗

Polls=Propganda.

287717 Victoria, replying to Victoria, 30, #417 of 1437 🔗

Deadly Disease – NOT!!

287759 ▶▶ Bella Donna, replying to Victoria, 2, #418 of 1437 🔗

Brilliant! I’ll try and save that.

287724 Nobody2020, replying to Nobody2020, 84, #419 of 1437 🔗

This may be controversial and likely upset some people, but I think it’s time to start saying:

So what?

If you dare to have a xmas party with your family the risk of spreading this virus may increase – So what?

People have been dying every winter for decades. It’s always been considered normal. If you want to turn it into something abnormal, show me the evidence that it is abnormal.

If you don’t wear a mask you may increase the risk of spreading this virus – So what?

Nobody lives in a bubble. Unless a person is infected they have zero risk of spreading a virus. If you want to force people to wear masks then you need to show why any specific individual must wear a mask. If your solution is to force everyone to wear one just because you can’t show which individuals are infected then you do not believe in the fundamental basis of law – innocent until proven guilty. What is the actual risk per individual and what is the increase in risk? Low risk to slightly lower risk is not justification for mandating mask usage.

There are many other examples I could come up with but really I just want to get across how I generally feel about all this. 2020 is the year when things that aren’t particularly extraordinary were given extraordinary status and acted upon as if they were.

So whenever somebody tries to make all this seem as if it’s never happened before (apparently death only started happening in 2020) my instant reaction is…

So what?

287733 ▶▶ Julian, replying to Nobody2020, 30, #420 of 1437 🔗

Certainly doesn’t upset me.

It’s generally the basis on which most societies have worked for all of history.

It has always for me been the fundamental basis for dissenting from the lockdowns and the covid narrative. Whether you consider freedom an absolute or not is a personal thing, but it surely has a very high value indeed, much higher than any threat posed by covid.

All the other arguments are secondary.

287747 ▶▶ Marialta, replying to Nobody2020, 5, #421 of 1437 🔗

I tried to upvote you ! Sorry it turned into a downvote and cannot alter it 😏

287794 ▶▶▶ Sarigan, replying to Marialta, 4, #422 of 1437 🔗

If you upvote, it should cancel out the down

288371 ▶▶▶▶ Rowan, replying to Sarigan, 1, #423 of 1437 🔗

It usually does.

287866 ▶▶▶ dhid, replying to Marialta, 2, #424 of 1437 🔗

You can change a down or upvote as Sarigan said.
The web code for the up and down voting is sometimes quite slow to work and browsers don’t always update the new value it seems.

So don’t worry.

287755 ▶▶ Bella Donna, replying to Nobody2020, 12, #425 of 1437 🔗

I’m not upset by it. A lot more people died in the last flu epidemic in 1968 when about 80,000 died in UK and we had less of a population than we have now and no one took any notice! I don’t know what has changed in people’s brains to make this fact so puzzling, perhaps the birth pill had something to do with it.

287776 ▶▶▶ jb12, replying to Bella Donna, 3, #426 of 1437 🔗

The Thinking Box tells them what to think. Simple as that.

287800 ▶▶▶ Fingerache Philip., replying to Bella Donna, 23, #427 of 1437 🔗

I was 19 going on 20 in 1968 and it was only in the last year that I found out that the H K flu happened in that year.
I think this country has gone downhill since the Diana “thing”,
and bit by bit we have (some of us, anyway) turned into namby namby wimps who are afraid of the wind blowing on them, and don’t get me started on the “touchy feely” codswollop.
“Oh, silly me, you can’t do that now,can you?”
Every cloud has a silver lining.

288000 ▶▶▶▶ sam, replying to Fingerache Philip., 3, #428 of 1437 🔗

i agree, it ‘s not the same as churchills time[ my idol ] – from here in america .
me too i only heard about the hong kong flu of 1968 this year from someone back in march who told me this is all about control , not a virus.

288384 ▶▶▶▶▶ Rowan, replying to sam, 5, #429 of 1437 🔗

The control is necessary so as to ensure a smooth depopulation.

288646 ▶▶▶▶ David McCluskey, replying to Fingerache Philip., 3, #430 of 1437 🔗

You’re spot on re “the Diana thing”. Having then been on this Eastern Atlantic island for about 50 years I woke up that August day to realise that the majority of the population were like a different species, I refer to their affliction as emotional diarrhoea. They were the ones that spawned the mantras “if saves just one life” and “what if it was your child/gran/etc?

288772 ▶▶▶▶ Hughie, replying to Fingerache Philip., 1, #431 of 1437 🔗

Spot on re Diana. ‘The people’s princess’ 🤮 , straight line to ‘Our/Your NHS’ (I always write it as RNHS now and I’m amazed that hasn’t caught on…)

288603 ▶▶▶ Borisbullshit, replying to Bella Donna, 3, #432 of 1437 🔗

Some possible reasons may be the feminisation of society,the much greater affluence to afford furloughs,the much more risk averse culture,the deification of the NHS and the instant news impact of social media….thats just a list for starters! Any more?

288655 ▶▶▶▶ David McCluskey, replying to Borisbullshit, 1, #433 of 1437 🔗

Dumbing down.
The continual hounding of anybody in the public eye such that those suitably talented to be an effective politician would run a mile, hence Parliament is stuffed with a load of useless quockerwodgers.

287854 ▶▶ Ben, replying to Nobody2020, 8, #435 of 1437 🔗

The best thing I’ve read so far that sums up ‘Covid’ for me is:

MY DON’T RIGHTS END WHERE YOUR FEAR BEGINS

287979 ▶▶ Jay Berger, replying to Nobody2020, 3, #436 of 1437 🔗

If you feel a bit stronger, you can also replace So what? with MYOB or, my favourite: GFY!

288434 ▶▶ richard riewer, replying to Nobody2020, 2, #437 of 1437 🔗
287732 Samhurt, replying to Samhurt, 25, #438 of 1437 🔗

(From a pissed American)

To the Pit with:

– you who choose to inform on your fellow citizens
– you who disdain freethinkers and dissidents
– cops and soldiers who allow this madness to continue
– artists, celebrities and influencers (because unless you are risking everything to speak out and fight this nonsense, you are nothing more than regimist collaborators)
– ‘Build Back Better’ shock doctrine wealth-transfer corporatocracy-cronyism
– China and Russia (not the people, but the cock-eyed ethnonationalist psychopathic authoritarian murderous stooges who comprise their governments)
– Mercenary ‘fact-checkers’
– Professional-class primetime-teevee manipulators
– Scientist-industrialist police state collaborators / SAGE et al
– the lawyers and the doctors and the secretaries and the ever-cowering Party functionaries who allow this fraud to continue every single fucking day
– corporations
– regulators
– NGOs (just look at the ruination you’ve visited on our African brothers and sisters by yolking them to your Statist welfare dependency regime! You shameless bastards!)
– universities and unions (you chose Woke over Enlightenment, you chose Panic over the Dialectic and now Compliance Reigns!)
– queer activists (you’ve already stolen the healthy childhoods of two generations of gay kids with your trans-medical State-sponsored moral panics)
– censors (whatever the fucking excuse!)
– race hustler capitalists
– the motherfucking CIA and FBI and DHS and DARPA and 77th Brigade and all the rest of you fascist permanent ‘deep state’ Kissinger-inspired traitor scum (‘safety for the homeland’, what tosh!)
– Disney and Viacom and Google and every single other information-throttling theocracy-in-all-but-name
– social ‘scientists’
– The Science Herself (peace be upon her)
– the bankers
– the Big Ag / agrochemical sharks
– the fucking pharmaceutical military biosecurity crisis-neverending pimp show
– all conformist religions / collaborationist churches (because you worship Authority and your Deity is Mammon, not God / not the Gods)
– all cults
– all Parties (because there’s only one, in the end)
– all billionaire social clubs (with special contemptuous regards to the World Economic Forum, the IMF and UN and EU and WHO and every single other unelected corrupt bureaucracy)
– compliance
– ‘consensus’
– your fucking masks
– your fear

287860 ▶▶ Stuart, replying to Samhurt, 3, #439 of 1437 🔗

To which add:

– the cock-eyed ethnonationalist psychopathic authoritarian murderous stooges who comprise the American deep state/intel state/shadow government.

287942 ▶▶ arfurmo, replying to Samhurt, 1, #440 of 1437 🔗

Very coherent for someone four sheets to the wind!

287735 Julian, replying to Julian, 6, #441 of 1437 🔗

Rowche Rumble The Fall
Rowche Rumble*
Rowche Rumble
It’s valium
Valium
Valium
Roche Rumble
That’s rumble
For thousands of wives around the world
Are given out by doctors, to feed their little girls
The doctors need prescriptions
The wives need their pills
So Rowche Rumble
Menopause wives are hard to handle
No culture or love, no gamble
The dope addicts are especially smashed
On Rowche Rumble
Rowche Rumble
Physician, heal thyself
Our government’s built an expense account
Once in, never out
A step to Rowche
A force feeding
What are the people around you taking?
Rowche Rumble
Now I’ve tried crazy things
Abusing my body to a great end
But I’ll never never never never do it again
I said I’ll never never never never do it again
Rowche Rumble
Physician, heal thyself.
Musician, heal thyself.
Hey mister, heal thyself.
And loads of people across the land
Who do a prescribed death dance
While condemning speed and grass
They got an addiction like a hole in the ass
Rowche Rumble
Rowche Rumble
I send 70 pounds instead of 70 p to
Pharmaceutical company Rowche AG
The lorry arrived the next day
Swiss gnomes dealing out potions
Lend a hand
What is the fear for?
Whose do you think your body is?
Rowche Rumble
It’s valium
That’s rumble

288495 ▶▶ Edward, replying to Julian, 1, #442 of 1437 🔗

The Fall often seem to crop up here! I think “Rowche” is a slightly disguised reference to the Roche company.
There’s a website somewhere which analyses Fall lyrics, though it’s a bit American-orientated and tends to have annotations like “Fish and chips – popular dish in the UK, fish fried in batter, and chips are fried potato slices, like large fries”. I made that one up but you get the idea.

288835 ▶▶▶ David Grimbleby, replying to Edward, #443 of 1437 🔗

What would MES make of this period , being denied his favourite boozers ? If he was alive of course, good bit of death that just , before this horror show.

287737 George Mc, replying to George Mc, 4, #444 of 1437 🔗

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-55202093

“Coronavirus: NHS to begin vaccine rollout this week

What the NHS has termed the largest-ever vaccine rollout in in UK history will begin on Tuesday, the Department of Health has said. Frontline health staff, people over the age of 80 and care home workers will be first to get the Covid-19 vaccine. Fifty hospitals in England have been initially chosen to serve as hubs for administering the vaccine. Health Secretary Matt Hancock described the start of the vaccination scheme as “a historic moment”.”

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-55056016

“The Covid vaccine trials have happened at breakneck speed , but they haven’t skipped any of these steps.”

Not skipping the steps is surely irrelevant. Isn’t the time factor i.e. the waiting factor the whole point?

https://www.bulatlat.com/2020/08/21/hazards-of-the-covid-19-vaccine

“During the 2002-2003 SARS-1 outbreak, it took about 20 months before a vaccine was made ready for human testing in clinical trials despite the fact that concerns about safety were still unresolved. This was already way too fast compared to the usual time necessary for pre-clinical trials or animal studies to be satisfactorily completed before any ethical experimentation on human beings or clinical trials can be started. Yet for Covid-19 candidate vaccines, clinical trials were started barely five months after SARS-Cov-2 emerged, bypassing the necessary pre-clinical studies normally required and ignoring the serious safety concerns in the previous attempt to rush a SARS-1 vaccine (which was eventually scrapped) .”

287746 ▶▶ JHuntz, replying to George Mc, 7, #445 of 1437 🔗

This is just a disaster waiting to happen. No doubt the media will try censor any issues with the rollout.

288617 ▶▶ richard riewer, replying to George Mc, #446 of 1437 🔗

More like hysteric, Matt H.

287739 D B, replying to D B, 1, #447 of 1437 🔗

If the papers are to be believed (Evening Standard) looks as though London will be put needlessly into T3… anyone got any reliable data as to why?

287810 ▶▶ PompeyJunglist, replying to D B, 2, #448 of 1437 🔗

Because it will be obvious that they’ve reached a reasonable level of herd immunity otherwise.

287957 ▶▶ Jonathan Palmer, replying to D B, #449 of 1437 🔗

To destroy the rest of the economy which is stubbornly refusing to die despite the best efforts of the Government.

287748 Victoria, replying to Victoria, 10, #450 of 1437 🔗

More threats against NHS workers that are against compulsory vaccinations.

287769 ▶▶ dpj, replying to Victoria, 14, #451 of 1437 🔗

So what will they do with those that refuse to be vaccinated, fire them? If it is a significant % then NHS will surely be so short staffed that they can’t function?

287777 ▶▶▶ Lockdown_Lunacy, replying to dpj, 7, #452 of 1437 🔗

Probably cancel all operations and blame the staff who refused. Just like they blame us rule breakers for continuing lockdowns.

287802 ▶▶▶▶ CGL, replying to Lockdown_Lunacy, 10, #453 of 1437 🔗

Do you know what – I don’t want any operations or medication or anything else ever again – if I get something I will die without any medical intervention as nature intended, and it will be a blessed release. I’m 51 and I’ve had enough already.

287845 ▶▶▶▶▶ dhid, replying to CGL, 3, #454 of 1437 🔗

I feel pretty much the same.

287900 ▶▶▶▶▶ John Stitch non stop dancer, replying to CGL, 5, #455 of 1437 🔗

Snap I feel the same. I’m 52 in good health I find plenty of weed,red wine,garlic and cod liver oil and appropriate vitamin supplements is all I require in my Gladstone bag.I was an NHS Nurse for 27 years also in a shell fucking useless bastards the majority.

288425 ▶▶▶▶▶ William Hand, replying to CGL, #456 of 1437 🔗

51 you are young. You should not be thinking like that. Just say fck them and live.

288449 ▶▶▶▶▶ Nigel Sherratt, replying to CGL, #457 of 1437 🔗

At 67 I assume I’ve been written off by NHS anyway. The chilly embrace of the Swale beckons in due course (post Laphroaigh of course).

287811 ▶▶ JohnB, replying to Victoria, 8, #458 of 1437 🔗

This is what is needed, as this could be the start of the pushback from NHS staff and Unions. This then puts pressure on the Labour party who will then have to support the NHS and Unions, and actually act like the opposition to HM Gov that they are meant to be.

287826 ▶▶ kh1485, replying to Victoria, 1, #459 of 1437 🔗

But they’re quite happy to wield the syringe …

287864 ▶▶▶ TJS123, replying to kh1485, 5, #460 of 1437 🔗

Mostly we’re not – I’m ignoring emails most days begging me to help out. There’s little capacity to deliver the vaccine unless staff are taken away from other roles, and they’re clearly desperately trying to find willing staff.

288161 ▶▶ Ceriain, replying to Victoria, 1, #461 of 1437 🔗

I’m a science writer and broadcaster

Hardly an expert then

Let me preface this by saying I do not, and have never believed, vaccines should be mandatory for the rest of us .

But nurses should made to take it! What a complete bitch!

287750 swedenborg, replying to swedenborg, 8, #462 of 1437 🔗

BBC (Gov.Propaganda Machine) has today a report about North Dakota and its high C-19 deaths.1/800 according to them has died of C-19. They have chosen ND as having had no lockdown at anytime but the Governor issued a mask mandate on 14 th Nov. (See attached image, it was made on the day of maximum cases and the curve seems to follow a typical burnout pattern). BBC has chosen ND as a good example of moronic country bumpkin Trump voting populace. Let us fact check this story. ND has a very intelligent death reporting of C-19 deaths, one of the best in the US, and certainly better than the UK.
https://www.health.nd.gov/diseases-conditions/coronavirus/north-dakota-coronavirus-cases
Total number of individuals who tested positive and died from any cause while infected with COVID-19: 1013
But they have also a sensibly Deaths Due to COVID-19 Official number of individuals who died from COVID-19 as stated on the official death record:843
That means that 20 % died with C-19 and not by C-19. So BBC got the wrong 1/800 deaths in ND using the higher figures. I then looked into CDC data of the age of death of C-19 in ND, not the easiest task for anyone due to complex reporting categories by CDC but found here

https://data.cdc.gov/NCHS/Provisional-COVID-19-Death-Counts-by-Sex-Age-and-S/9bhg-hcku/data

Of the deaths 70% over 75. Only 13% below 65. Not a single death under 30. Astonishing not a single female death under 50.
And this MSM generally compare to Spanish flu. Even in normal seasonal flu we would have less of this extreme age profile. This is a geriatric pandemic denied by Gov and MSM. ND is a rural sparsely populated state with 760000 people not representative for much of the US but used by the BBC in its selective reporting discussing the nonsense mask issue and usual fear porn. This is called selective reporting suiting the government agenda.
But they did not report on Belgium which has an even higher death rate than ND. Why not?
 Belgium has had 2 lockdown the first one extremely harsh and mask mandate for a very long time. Not in the interest of BBC/Gov. propaganda machine to use this in balanced reporting (which BBC has abandoned for a very long time)

287757 ▶▶ Hoppy Uniatz, replying to swedenborg, 2, #463 of 1437 🔗

North Dakota most certainly is not made up of idiots – it contains the legendary Gabe Brown:

https://www.amazon.co.uk/Dirt-Soil-Familys-Regenerative-Agriculture/dp/1603587632

287775 ▶▶▶ swedenborg, replying to Hoppy Uniatz, 2, #464 of 1437 🔗

I must have expressed it badly as you should never have to explain irony

287773 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to swedenborg, 6, #465 of 1437 🔗

The BBC and the Guardian have been so religiously wedded to the fear porn (Deborah Cohen excepted), they’ll be strung up when this all comes out. It’s so transparent verging on propaganda

287809 ▶▶▶ Bill h, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 3, #466 of 1437 🔗

Verging ?

287855 ▶▶▶ Mabel Cow, replying to BeBopRockSteady, #467 of 1437 🔗

The trouble is, when (if) it all does come out, who will be reporting the “news” of these “revelations” to the Great British Public?

Why, the BBC of course.

I’m sure it will be an entirely fair and unbiased report.

287970 ▶▶▶ Jez Hewitt, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 1, #468 of 1437 🔗

And what is it those two magnificent organisations have in common?

String them up and the dollar Bill’s would pour out faster and more voluminously than said propaganda.

Disgraceful. Shameful. Criminal. Murderers.

287840 ▶▶ Alethea, replying to swedenborg, 10, #469 of 1437 🔗

Just to say thank you, Swedenborg, for your ongoing contribution to this site. I value your posts very highly. You’re like a research engine always powering away, humming reassuringly.

287872 ▶▶ Ben, replying to swedenborg, 1, #470 of 1437 🔗

Another one of those graphs with a spike in the current moment that politicians love to use

288442 ▶▶▶ Nigel Sherratt, replying to Ben, 1, #471 of 1437 🔗

They’re not so keen on the one that shows an unusual summer uptick from the low point of fatal COVID-19 infections coinciding with the mask mandate (Ivor Cummins et al. linked here).

287751 Ned of the Hills, replying to Ned of the Hills, 5, #472 of 1437 🔗

Above, under “ Stop Press : The US CDC” ’tis reported the said body have used the following phrase:-

“in light of estimates that approximately one half of new infections are transmitted by persons who have no symptoms”

That word “estimates” begs a lot of questions. How has it been estimates been arrived a?Are we simply talking about guesses? Is it based on the number of people who’ve become infected but have no knowledge of being near anyone who was infected? Or has some proper ‘science’ gone in to it?

What is the CDC by the way?

287758 ▶▶ Charlie Blue, replying to Ned of the Hills, 1, #473 of 1437 🔗

Centre for Disease Control

287766 ▶▶▶ Ned of the Hills, replying to Charlie Blue, 1, #474 of 1437 🔗

Thank you

287761 ▶▶ Victoria, replying to Ned of the Hills, 6, #475 of 1437 🔗

That word “estimates” begs a lot of questions.

It is used fraudulently to keep the narrative going

—-

Asymptomatic transmission is biologically implausible

~ Dr Michael Yeadon, former Pfizer VP ~

287764 ▶▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to Victoria, 4, #476 of 1437 🔗

They also use other terms to watch for such as “scientists say…” without any reference as to which acientists

287752 Victoria, replying to Victoria, 14, #477 of 1437 🔗

TOBY , is there anything you could do to counter this nonsense. How dare Roald Dahl’s family apologise on his behalf?

287780 ▶▶ James007, replying to Victoria, 9, #478 of 1437 🔗

The list of British authors who have created ‘traits’ in Jewish characters is a rather long one.
Has Charles Dickens apologised for the character of Fagan yet?

288407 ▶▶▶ Nigel Sherratt, replying to James007, #479 of 1437 🔗

If you prick us, do we not bleed?
If you tickle us, do we not laugh?
If you poison us, do we not die?
And if you wrong us, shall we not revenge?

287874 ▶▶ IanE, replying to Victoria, 1, #480 of 1437 🔗

Yes, but it is so much easier and less painful to apologize for someone else [as Tony Bliar frequently illustrated, seconded regularly, of course, by Camoron].

287770 James Leary #KBF, replying to James Leary #KBF, 13, #481 of 1437 🔗

Just a thought.

287851 ▶▶ Mabel Cow, replying to James Leary #KBF, 6, #482 of 1437 🔗

“Disclaimer: Unless the NHS buys all our capacity again , in which case you can die with the rest of them. Thanks for continuing to pay your insurance premium during these tough times. We’re in this together. Stay safe!”

287881 ▶▶▶ Mark, replying to Mabel Cow, 1, #483 of 1437 🔗

Sent you a pm, by the way Mabel

287788 peyrole, replying to peyrole, 2, #484 of 1437 🔗

Its always useful to read the views of the ‘reasonable’ people on the other side of an argument. The Spectator articles are often quoted on this site, but not the one I link below. Its not extreme, it does support lockdowns with rational arguments, it also thinks the vaccination of the most at risk group , ie over 75s will provide the necessary environment for the release of most constraints ( it is unclear what ‘most’ means). It does base its views on the estimate of current exposure to the virus of only 13% of the population which of course ignores cross and prior immmunity. It is from that belief that most of the logic flows, and differs from experts quoted on this site.
Anyway worth reading I think.
https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/covid-s-endgame

287803 ▶▶ thedarkhorse, replying to peyrole, 5, #485 of 1437 🔗

I don’t think there is any rational argument for the LENGTH of lockdowns that we have been subjected to. A month would have been bearable; even two. But statisticians live by numbers, not emotions, and they seem oblivious to economic damage. As the 75+ people die, others take their place through the natural progression of age. This implies a covid jab would be needed for each person once they reach 70 or 75….another moneymaker for pharma. The article author appears to have a central viewpoint and that’s not wrong, but the big bugaboo now is the safety issue surrounding the Pfizer (and other) concoctions. That for me, now, is far more important than all the infections/hospitalisations graphs.

288619 ▶▶▶ Julian, replying to thedarkhorse, 1, #486 of 1437 🔗

“the big bugaboo now is the safety issue surrounding the Pfizer (and other) concoctions. That for me, now, is far more important than all the infections/hospitalisations graphs.”

Vaccine safety is important

Fundamentally though it’s a distraction from the main issue – the virus is nothing exceptional yet has been portrayed as such, dishonestly, across the world, in justification of the most comprehensive removal of freedoms, power grab and economic suicide in the history of the develped world. Exposing the lies and making people wake up from their mass hysteria is the only way we’re going to get out of this

287832 ▶▶ RickH, replying to peyrole, 6, #487 of 1437 🔗

THe article in question is flawed from the start, and isn’t really worth reading, since it indulges in so many simplistic and unquestioning rehearsals of the standard Covid narrative.

Take this right at the start : “ the coronavirus crisis” isn’t about the political crisis caused by governmental response, but immediately assumes that there is an unprecedented crisis of disease. Which there isn’t by any known comparative metric.

Then we have a reference to “slow exponential growth of the kind we were then seeing in Europe” (September). The term is a nonsense, and the panic merchants were wrong. And it wasn’t ‘checked’ – it predictably did what was expected.

There is the quoting of PCR+ cases as a metric – aka ‘garbage’, as established in Portugal – and the assertion, against all visible evidence that “the second national lockdown has clearly worked” … a jaw-dropping rehearsal of propaganda, when seasonal mortality has actually followed an entirely predictable track; a track at the mean of the historical baseline – contradicting the SAGE predictive hysteria.

No – the article provides no sensible insights at all before we get into total La La Land about the unnecessary and under-tested vaccines.

It, like the data (sorry – bland assumptions) on which it is based is pure garbage rehearsing the official narrative without any evidence of an intervening brain.

288613 ▶▶▶ Borisbullshit, replying to RickH, #488 of 1437 🔗

Great point by point rebuttal Rick….the problem with most mainstream commentary is that it assumes definitions and received wisdom that has no validity. It then slides down the slippery slope into supporting something for which there is no evidence that it works as claimed.

288734 ▶▶▶ Mark Tinker, replying to RickH, #489 of 1437 🔗

The case-demic second wave was designed to reset the narrative away from asking why we abandoned all previous protocols and quarantined the healthy and thus seriously damaged the economy for something that didn’t even ‘work’ to a new narrative of the government saved us because ‘this time’ it locked down early in a zero tolerance, zero Covid fashion. Totally cynical policy backed by a ruthless propaganda machine that is now not only the only efficient part of government, but basically IS now the government.

287847 ▶▶ chaos, replying to peyrole, 4, #490 of 1437 🔗

Spectator is a strange beast.. the UK version was rather ballsy at the start of the pandemic.. its balls have shrunk since. Spectator Australia though has balls of steel.

287867 ▶▶ IanE, replying to peyrole, 3, #491 of 1437 🔗

Of course it should be noted that the Pfizer vaccine has not been tested against people with comorbidities nor in combination with other medications. These are however precisely the situations where, in principle if the vaccine actually works, it might be useful – and, if it turns out that such situations result in bad side effects, there are going to be a lot of politicians, regulators and falsely optimistic media Johnies who end up very deep in doodoo!

287792 Awkward Git, replying to Awkward Git, 8, #492 of 1437 🔗

Video of Bill Gates admitting the mRNA vaccine does change your DNA:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ksEVaO806Oo&feature=emb_logo

Change your DNA you are no longer “human”.

287798 ▶▶ Andy Riley, replying to Awkward Git, 4, #493 of 1437 🔗

The clip of Gates has several jump cuts so I deem this to be of no value. If you can supply the original uncut version maybe we can make our own minds up.

287823 ▶▶▶ Awkward Git, replying to Andy Riley, 3, #494 of 1437 🔗

It’s part of a lot longer one that has been on youtube, removed, put back , removed etc over and over.

If the full unedited interview ever comes on again uncensored on any platform I’ll try and get a link.

In the meantime it’s a case of grabbing what you can as the censorship kicks in and then people get round it round and round playing the censorship game.

Why the increasingly heavy censorship on the vaccine and lockdown and PCR test issues?

287829 ▶▶ OKUK, replying to Awkward Git, 1, #495 of 1437 🔗

I heard Ian Collins on Talk Radio discussing “conspiracy theories”, one being that the vaccine will change your DNA, when that is exactly how they work. Does anyone know if these are the first mRNA vaccines to be used on humans? Obviously they aren’t going to stop at respiratory viruses.

287830 ▶▶▶ Awkward Git, replying to OKUK, 4, #496 of 1437 🔗

This is the Moderna webpage about mRNA, read it and the other bits and yes, it dose change your DNA.

https://www.modernatx.com/mrna-technology/science-and-fundamentals-mrna-technology

No conspiracy theory about it.

287975 ▶▶▶▶ Basileus, replying to Awkward Git, #497 of 1437 🔗

I can’t see anything in this article to suggest the DNA is modified. This is important so please clarify.

288367 ▶▶▶▶ Andy Riley, replying to Awkward Git, 1, #498 of 1437 🔗

AG
I don’t see anything there that suggest it changes your DNA.
My worry is that this may happen anyway although it is not intended.
In the film Jurassic Park the Jeff Goldblum character knows that tinkering with genetic material is risky but can’t specify exactly what will go wrong. I think we are in the same position with this technology.

288130 ▶▶ Ben, replying to Awkward Git, 1, #499 of 1437 🔗

Why does this one man have the power to ruin our lives?

288177 ▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to Ben, 1, #500 of 1437 🔗

Money

287813 crimsonpirate, 6, #501 of 1437 🔗

went to Soho yesterday. It was very busy but here and there pubs were shut. Only those serving food were open. Fortunately I know two places where I can sit at the bar and order a drink.

287819 Awkward Git, replying to Awkward Git, 19, #502 of 1437 🔗

Started leaving this as credit card sized cut-outs everywhere I go now on my travels:

Getting angry?

Want to ask questions?

Don’t know where to turn?

lockdownsceptics.org

We’ll see if anyone visits sceptics land.

287824 ▶▶ calchas, replying to Awkward Git, 1, #503 of 1437 🔗

Great idea – we need to do this.

287842 ▶▶ chaos, replying to Awkward Git, #504 of 1437 🔗

good idea.

287861 ▶▶ Sam Vimes, replying to Awkward Git, 2, #505 of 1437 🔗

Call The Equalizer! (Awkwardiser??)

287875 ▶▶▶ kh1485, replying to Sam Vimes, 2, #506 of 1437 🔗

Love it. Needed a laugh after being insulted just now.

287878 ▶▶▶▶ Sam Vimes, replying to kh1485, 2, #507 of 1437 🔗

Never mind laughing, you slacker. Get stocking up on bubbles for your customers 🙂

287882 ▶▶▶▶▶ kh1485, replying to Sam Vimes, 1, #508 of 1437 🔗

🙂

287961 ▶▶ JHuntz, replying to Awkward Git, 2, #509 of 1437 🔗

Thanks Awkward, Just bought 120 stcikers on vista print based on this suggestion . I have added r/lockdown scepticism (its a reddit thread that the young team will be able to access) and talk radio also.

287828 Awkward Git, replying to Awkward Git, 11, #510 of 1437 🔗

Off-topic a bit but I’ve a friend who seems to thrive on looking at strange stories as he finds them interesting. In the old days I guess he would love the Fortean Times.

Anyway his offering today was:

LAS VEGAS ODDSMAKERS ARE NEVER WRONG

Interesting take on what happened on 11-3-& 11-4.

Wayne Root is a Vegas legend.

By Wayne Allyn Root

I’ve been a Las Vegas odds maker and sports gaming expert for four decades- long before I became known as a nationally syndicated conservative talk show host. I understand odds and gambling in a way that no other conservative media personality, host, or politician in this country could.

And I can tell you something is very wrong with this presidential election. It reminds me of a fixed football game. Remember the famous fixed 1978 game between the New York Giants and Philadelphia Eagles. The Giants quarterback handed the ball off. The running back didn’t want it. It fell on the ground. Herm Edwards of the Eagles picked it up and ran it into the end zone with seconds left for a last second victory. Every bettor in the world knows that game was fixed. It doesn’t matter if you can prove it. We all know.

Gamblers also feel the same way about this presidential election. This presidential election is rancid. It feels as fixed as that Giants-Eagles NFL football game. Let me give you the details of this election- from a gambler’s perspective.

Trump entered the night a 2 to 1 underdog. As soon as the polls started to close and the picture became clear, Trump’s odds quickly moved to even money. Then Trump became the slight favorite. Then a moderate favorite. Then a 2-to-1 favorite. Then 3 to 1. 4 to 1. 5 to 1. 6 to 1. 7 to 1. Finally, Trump moved to 8 to 1 favorite.

What does all this mean? Bettors putting their money on the line during Election Night have always proven to be deadly accurate. Smart bettors can clearly see what direction a race is taking. Bettors around the world clearly saw what I saw, when they stared at the electoral map- Trump was headed for an electoral landslide.But something wasn’t quite right. Fox News wouldn’t call Florida for Trump- even though he was ahead by a mile. They wouldn’t call Ohio- even though Trump was ahead by a mile, They wouldn’t call Texas- even though Trump was ahead by a mile. I sat there screaming at my television.

More strange calls. Fox News had called Virginia for Biden at the start of the night- with Trump well ahead in Virginia. Trump would remain ahead in Virginia for three long hours after Fox awarded the electoral votes to Biden. Why would they do that? What was the rush? It made no sense.

Biden was awarded Virginia with Trump ahead. But Trump was ahead by a mile in Florida, Ohio and Texas, yet Fox News refused to award him the electoral votes. I knew at that moment, something was wrong. Something smelled fishy. Something was rotten in the DC Swamp.Bettors witnessed Trump dominating. He clearly won not only those key states of Florida, Ohio and Texas, but Trump also enjoyed large leads in the entire Midwest- Pennsylvania, Michigan, Wisconsin and Iowa. It was all but over. Trump had an electoral landslide. Hence the massive 8 to 1 odds in favor of Trump.

And then it happened. It was the most bizarre call in Election Night history. Fox News called Arizona for Biden. Why? It wasn’t even close to over. There was no reason on earth to make that call. Arizona is STILL not over 8 days later. CNN still hasn’t awarded Arizona. ABC pulled it back from Biden only 24 hours ago.

Why would Fox News be in such a rush to call Arizona for Biden? At that moment, Trump’s odds crashed almost instantly from 8 to 1, back down to 2 to 1. That drop set off alarm bells. My friend who is one of the biggest bookmakers in the country called me to say, “Wayne, something is wrong. I’ve never seen a drop like that, let alone a drop that fast. How can Trump go from 8 to 1, to 2 to 1. Someone knows something. We’ve got a problem.”

It was as if someone had decided in advance to give Arizona to Biden- whether he won it, or not. It was as if the secret code was known to only a few billionaire gamblers, “Fox News awards Arizona to Biden.” Six magic words. Someone was ready for that call. Someone waited until Trump was a prohibitive 8 to 1 favorite, then knew to bet millions of dollars on Biden at the longest odds of the night. Someone knew the fix was in. Someone made a fortune.

There’s more to the story. First, by awarding both Virginia and Arizona to Biden way too early in the evening and also going super slow awarding states to Trump where he led by a mile, Fox News made sure Biden had the electoral lead all night. That’s another big part of the story. Just like the fake pollsters suppressed Trump voters for months in advance of the election with polls falsely showing Trump losing by a landslide, fake “news desk” employees sure appeared

287846 ▶▶ Steve Hayes, replying to Awkward Git, 1, #511 of 1437 🔗

The way betting works in terms of predicting outcomes is via the wisdom of crowds (don’t tell Douglas Murray about this concept). So what would be interesting to know is immediately prior to the election how many people (not the amount of money) had bet on Trump and how many on Biden?

287871 ▶▶ OKUK, replying to Awkward Git, 2, #512 of 1437 🔗

We now have the smoking gun evidence of what happened in Fulton County, Georgia, caught in crucial respects on video. This includes palming of a USB between two election count officials and a third party, (someone not yet identified, given accreditation to be there), secret counting during the night unobserved by party monitor, sudden appearance of ballot papers from “suitcases”. and then an amazing 23,000 vote spike going 98% for Biden.

We can now see how the fraud might have been perpetrated: marked-for-Biden ballot papers held in reserve in “suitcases” under the tables in case of need, ie if the voting machine programming doesn’t skim enough votes for Biden. Party monitors told to go home. Secret counting used to introduce fake ballot papers that would (a) boost Biden’s vote and (b) hide the machine fraud. USBs used to alter machine data as necessary.

287898 ▶▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to OKUK, 1, #513 of 1437 🔗
287987 ▶▶▶ dommo, replying to OKUK, 1, #514 of 1437 🔗
288057 ▶▶ thinkaboutit, replying to Awkward Git, #515 of 1437 🔗

If it were stock market movements the SEC would be investigating.

288154 ▶▶ watashi, replying to Awkward Git, 1, #516 of 1437 🔗

I loved the fortean times! that takes me back!

287831 TyRade, 11, #517 of 1437 🔗

‘We are (all) Millwall’, now? Isn’t the crie de coeur of the commons man against BLM, the most thuggish woke-ism, a better way to go, re Lockdown, vaccine and assorted COVIDballs, than a million closely argued words?

287833 Steve Hayes, replying to Steve Hayes, 3, #518 of 1437 🔗

One of the constants in the coronavirus official narrative is the misuse of words. How can it be that government ministers, the experts, the journalists, etc all simultaneously suddenly misuse the same word in precisely the same way?

287931 ▶▶ calchas, replying to Steve Hayes, #519 of 1437 🔗

Such as the use of the word ‘recovered’ to describe people who were never ill.

287937 ▶▶▶ Steve Hayes, replying to calchas, 2, #520 of 1437 🔗

Such as COVID death, cases, data, vaccine.
https://viewsandstories.blogspot.com/2020/12/coronavirus-equivocation.html
But what is puzzling me is how they all misuse the same word in the same way at the same time. Is there a memo sent to them? If there is, who is the author?

288054 ▶▶▶▶ thinkaboutit, replying to Steve Hayes, 4, #521 of 1437 🔗

I once said it is an evil cabal ruling the world and they send out a 4am Whatsapp message to world leaders and MSM .
I said it as a joke but now think it may be true.

287839 Les Tricoteuses, 5, #522 of 1437 🔗

https://twitter.com/i/status/1334993874276786178

Apologies if already posted but this is what happens when the left are running things. If you own a small business beware, there is no room for you in the brave new world.

287841 alw, replying to alw, 8, #523 of 1437 🔗

From East Anglian Times;

But one MP has some reservations about Mr Hancock’s new role: “He lacks emotional intelligence or any feel for the job – but then again so did Hunt and he has left a terrible mess for his successor to sort out. That said, Hancock has a real opportunity to be a much-needed breath of fresh air in the new role.”

🤣 🤣 🤪 🙃

287880 ▶▶ dhid, replying to alw, #524 of 1437 🔗

Your emoticons sum up perfectly how I feel!

287843 Wank Crapcock, replying to Wank Crapcock, 29, #525 of 1437 🔗

If the masks work—Why the six feet?

If the six feet works—Why the masks?

If both of the above work—Why the lockdowns?

If all three of the above work—Why the vaccine?

If the vaccine is safe—Why protect it with a no liability clause?

If the vaccine is safe—Why not test it on animals first before using it on humans?

If SARS-CoV-2 exists—Why has it never been isolated?

If SARS-CoV-2 has never been isolated—How can an effective vaccine be developed?

If the RT-PCR test works—Why so many false positives?

If Kary Mullis, the inventor of the RT-PCR test who conveniently died in August 2019, says his test shouldn’t be used to diagnose infectious diseases—Why use it to detect SARS-CoV-2?

If there is an epidemic—Why so many empty hospitals?

If large numbers of people are dying from SARS-CoV-2—Why so many fake causes of death on death certificates?

If SARS-CoV-2 exists—Why give doctors financial incentives to diagnose SARS-CoV-2?

If the official COVID-19 narrative is defensible—Why censor people who dispute this narrative?

287876 ▶▶ dhid, replying to Wank Crapcock, 3, #526 of 1437 🔗

Why indeed….

288040 ▶▶ Voz 0db, replying to Wank Crapcock, 2, #527 of 1437 🔗

How DARE you?!?!?

287844 Victoria, 4, #528 of 1437 🔗

re the Vaccine….

1. Sufficient information for properly informed consent Firstly – you should make sure you have enough information that you think is sufficient for you to exercise your right to informed consent. You have a right to know any information about the safety and effectiveness of vaccines that’s already known to public bodies such as drug regulators that is of overriding public interest. That’s a right that’s expounded in constitutions, human rights legislation and is endorsed by the United Nations Commission on Human Rights . In our book, this should involve at least 2 things: firstly, full disclosure of exactly what’s in each of the vaccines , and that includes the exact composition of the lipid nanoparticles being used to deliver the mRNA in the Pfizer and Moderna vaccines. Are these synthetic or are they animal-based? Do they include shark squalene like a lot of more conventional vaccines – and will animal-derived products like this be injected unknowingly into vegetarians and vegans with vaccine makers and regulators turning a blind eye? The second piece of essential information we think is necessary, is full disclosure of the raw data from Phase 3 trials as well as any other relevant results from safety and efficacy trials to allow independent scientific review.

Presently – we’re a long way from having this – and, quite simply, it isn’t possible to give informed consent without a lot more information being released than what’s currently available. From an informed consent point of view, we’d say right now, on the basis of inadequate information, you have an ample right to ask to delay your decision pending further information. It seems the vaccine lobby is very quick to accuse vaccine hesitants on the basis of claimed ignorance, while it fails to recognise that lack of confidence is largely down to distrust that has built up over years of non-disclosure. The tobacco industry has had its comeuppance for such failure to disclose key information – but the vaccine industry has yet to fall from grace for what is in effect the same failure to disclose information of overriding public interest.

2. Stop governments claiming covid vaccines re safe You don’t even have to deconstruct the design of the covid vaccine trials or study the available results to-date to have a view on this. You need to just read the trial designs as they stand. The fact that many of Phase 3 trials have primary or secondary endpoints that relate to safety that are months away – requiring 12 or even 24 months of time to have elapsed from the second dose, governments are misrepresenting the science when they claim that vaccines are, or have been found to be, safe. If you combine the use of this false safety claim with ramped up direct-to-consumer advertising, as expected or legitimised in some countries, like the UK, you can get some sense of how prepared governments are to lie to the public. We will all be looking to the courts to resolve any such public health abuses as they occur. But in the meantime – please sign our petition (see below for a selection of petitions you can sign to oppose restrictions linked to refusal of coronavirus vaccines) that asks governments to stop claiming vaccines are safe in the absence of comprehensive safety data. You’ll find all the links to this and other references in the article that accompanies this video.

3. Equal rights for vaccinated and unvaccinated It goes without saying given the current threat posed by the virus and the uncertainties around the long-term effectiveness and safety of covid vaccines, we are opposed to mandatory vaccination. Mandatory vaccination doesn’t engage with the reasons why so many people lack confidence in the current crop of vaccines. It’s also a major intrusion on individuals’ rights and freedoms, and it undoes all the work in public health that’s trying to develop greater autonomy and responsibility for self-care that’s right at the heart of resolving some of the biggest challenges in health.

What’s actually a bigger threat than mandatory covid vaccination is coercion. This is likely to play out through the withdrawal of rights or privileges from those who don’t consent to vaccination. That might be by stopping those who can’t prove they’re vaccinated from travelling on planes, trains or buses, attending sports fixtures or entertainment, enjoying hospitality, claiming benefits, sending your kids to school – you name it, the list of possibilities currently being discussed in political circles is potentially a long one.
We argue that it’s a infringement on the right to a private and family life to suffer loss of these rights simply because a person has decided there are insufficient data available to give informed consent to vaccination.

https://www.anhinternational.org/news/have-you-decided-what-youll-do-or-say-if-offered-a-covid-vaccine

287850 Fingerache Philip., 5, #529 of 1437 🔗

Covid Q &A in the MOS: “If the first round of vaccines will stop 99 percent of deaths, why can’t we just get back to normal now?”
AM I MISSING SOMETHING HERE????

287857 kh1485, replying to kh1485, 40, #530 of 1437 🔗

Just had the insult “anti vaxxer” levelled at me because of the leaflets I have on show. Gave a spirited and forthright defence of my stance. Her response:

“But how do we pick up the pieces of our lives?”

“Not by having a load of untested gunk jabbed into your arm” was my response to her.

287859 ▶▶ Victoria, replying to kh1485, 13, #531 of 1437 🔗

You did well. Pro Choice and informed decision

287868 ▶▶▶ kh1485, replying to Victoria, 22, #532 of 1437 🔗

I’m shaking with anger right now. It’s the usual “save the NHS … how awful, the crowds in London, we’ll be spending Christmas alone because we are not in our daughter’s bubble” Groan ….

287890 ▶▶▶▶ Fingerache Philip., replying to kh1485, 10, #533 of 1437 🔗

Just remember, kh that only 11% of people when told to self isolate do so, the other 89% like us quite rightly ignore them.

287870 ▶▶ JHuntz, replying to kh1485, 11, #534 of 1437 🔗

KH you are an inspiration. On the front line day in day out slaying zombies.

287873 ▶▶ Liam, replying to kh1485, 8, #535 of 1437 🔗

These people are like abused wives, defending the men that beat them up. They won’t leave him and they won’t leave lockdown.

288191 ▶▶ JohnB, replying to kh1485, 1, #536 of 1437 🔗

“But how do we pick up the pieces of our lives?”

Vaccine or no vaccine, this will not end. JVT said this last week, and now the new narrative is coming out that “we don’t know if you will still be infectious and will spread the virus”. That should tell everyone that even with the vaccine nothing will change.

287858 Victoria, 7, #537 of 1437 🔗

Sharyl Attkisson on Media Bias

  • In the 1950s, the CIA ran a covert campaign called “Operation Mockingbird,” in which they recruited journalists as assets to spread propaganda, and while the campaign officially ended in the 1970s, evidence suggests the project never really stopped
  • In her book, “Slanted: How the News Media Taught Us to Love Censorship and Hate Journalism,” Sharyl Attkisson addresses one of the most pressing issues of our time: media bias and the deterioration of objective journalism
  • Multinational industries, and the drug industry in particular, also wield powerful influence over content relating to their particular interests. As drug advertising became a major income stream for media companies, their reporting on health and medicine became increasingly biased
  • Big Tech companies are also masters of censoring anything that might hurt themselves or their technocratic allies
  • In terms of health, COVID-19 reporting has taken censorship and media manipulation to brand-new heights. All social media platforms are openly censoring dissenting views about the virus, particularly its origin and treatment. Even lauded doctors and scientists have been axed for speaking against the desired narrative dictated by the World Health Organization

Big Tech — Master Manipulators of Minds Big Tech companies, of course, are also masters of censoring anything that might hurt themselves or their technocratic allies . As just one of countless examples, you can no longer post a link to Mercola.com on Twitter.

First, they added a false warning that made it look like my site contained dangerous malware when readers would click on a posted link. After a while, they simply blocked the ability to post links to our site altogether.

Massaging COVID-19 Messages In terms of health, COVID-19 reporting has taken censorship and media manipulation to brand new heights, eclipsing just about all previous efforts. They don’t even hide the bias anymore.

All social media platforms are openly censoring dissenting views about the virus, particularly its origin and treatment. Even well-respected doctors and scientists have been axed for speaking against the desired narrative dictated by the World Health Organization.

When a ‘Case’ Is Not a Case The media are also grossly misusing the term “case,” in reference to the COVID-19 case load. A case is a medical term for a patient with a symptomatic type of infection. It’s not someone who tests positive for antibodies or pieces of viral DNA. By referring to all positive tests as “cases,” they’re able to fan the flames of panic, making the situation sound far worse than it actually is.

Many still do not understand that most of those who test positive for SARS-CoV-2 are asymptomatic. They think these are sick people in the hospital and that rising “case” numbers mean there will be a rise in deaths. Statistics reveal this simply isn’t true, and that there’s not a linear correlation between positive tests and deaths.

https://articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2020/12/06/sharyl-attkisson-media-bias.aspx

287865 Les Tricoteuses, replying to Les Tricoteuses, #538 of 1437 🔗

For a bit of light relief watch this spoof for a Now Christmas music compilation.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=yPDkCOJO3pc

287869 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to Les Tricoteuses, 1, #539 of 1437 🔗

Made by a lockdown zealot and vaccine champion ironically

287891 ▶▶▶ Les Tricoteuses, replying to BeBopRockSteady, #540 of 1437 🔗

Hilarious anyhow

287877 calchas, replying to calchas, 6, #541 of 1437 🔗

The covidians have done everything demanded – and more – by the government up until now.

If they don’t get the vaccine as soon as they can, then they are conspiracy theorists.

As if the government would recommend something that was unsfe – that’s tinfoil hat surely.

287896 ▶▶ Achilles, replying to calchas, 4, #542 of 1437 🔗

But it’s 2020 . We’re way much more cleverer than people in the past. It’ll be fine.

287926 ▶▶▶ Voz 0db, replying to Achilles, 1, #543 of 1437 🔗

Yes we are!
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287941 ▶▶▶▶ Mr Dee, replying to Voz 0db, 3, #544 of 1437 🔗

I’ve got a collection of prehistoric stone tools, dating from the Neolithic all the way to the Paleolithic. Tools thousands of years old, still with a cutting edge. The craftsmanship of these items is breathtaking. Much more awe-inspiring than most of the crap we manufacture today.

287949 ▶▶▶▶▶ Steve Hayes, replying to Mr Dee, 2, #545 of 1437 🔗

One would have thought that the environmentalists primary demand would be that things be made to last.

287984 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Voz 0db, replying to Steve Hayes, 3, #546 of 1437 🔗

That’s the ULTIMATE CAPITALISM heresy… “things that are made to last”!

287962 ▶▶▶▶ Ben, replying to Voz 0db, 1, #547 of 1437 🔗

A translation?

287981 ▶▶▶▶▶ Voz 0db, replying to Ben, 2, #548 of 1437 🔗

The only thing that CHANGED was… the stones… The Rock remains the same!

287994 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Ben, replying to Voz 0db, 1, #549 of 1437 🔗

Thank you

287879 Victoria, replying to Victoria, 3, #550 of 1437 🔗

Twitter censors UNESCO declaration stressing need to consent to medical intervention
Twitter has marked as “potentially sensitive content” a screenshot of Article 6 of the 2005 UNESCO Declaration on Bioethics and Human Rights, which states that “ medical intervention is only to be carried out with the prior, free and informed consent of the person concerned.

A Twitter user posted Article 6 of the document in response to a video clip of U.K. Member of Parliament Desmond Swayne’s impassioned admonition against coerced vaccines. Swayne said that such coercion would “set the seal on the government’s reputation as the most authoritarian since the Commonwealth of the 1650s.”

“And now we discover that a vaccination may be a passport to the acquisition of your civil liberties,” Swayne continued. “And without which you would have all sorts of things that you would be able to do, denied to you. Can I say that that would be absolutely disproportionate to a virus with a mortality rate of verging on 1 percent? It would equally be a terrible precedent to set for other vaccines and medicines.”

Yeadon wrote in an October article, “There is absolutely no need for vaccines to extinguish the pandemic. You do not vaccinate people who aren’t at risk from a disease. You also don’t set about planning to vaccinate millions of fit and healthy people with a vaccine that hasn’t been extensively tested on human subjects.”

Social media giants have been notorious for their politically biased “fact-checking” and outright censorship of posts, and even social media users themselves, for sharing information they deem to be incorrect, misleading, or harmful. Big tech has been particularly aggressive towards posts which question vaccines.

https://www.naturalnews.com/2020-12-05-twitter-censors-unesco-consent-to-medical-intervention.html

287968 ▶▶ Basileus, replying to Victoria, 1, #551 of 1437 🔗

UNESCO Declaration on Bioethics and Human Rights

Article 6 – Consent

1. Any preventive, diagnostic and therapeutic medical intervention is only to be carried out with the prior, free and informed consent of the person concerned, based on adequate information. The consent should, where appropriate, be express and may be withdrawn by the person concerned at any time and for any reason without disadvantage or prejudice.

2. Scientific research should only be carried out with the prior, free, express and informed consent of the person concerned. The information should be adequate, provided in a comprehensible form and should include modalities for withdrawal of consent. Consent may be withdrawn by the person concerned at any time and for any reason without any disadvantage or prejudice. Exceptions to this principle should be made only in accordance with ethical and legal standards adopted by States, consistent with the principles and provisions set out in this Declaration, in particular in Article 27, and international human rights law.

3. In appropriate cases of research carried out on a group of persons or a community, additional agreement of the legal representatives of the group or community concerned may be sought. In no case should a collective community agreement or the consent of a community leader or other authority substitute for an individual’s informed consent.

288038 ▶▶▶ Voz 0db, replying to Basileus, #552 of 1437 🔗

I can’t read any warning about this comment!!!

WHERE ARE THE GOOD ONES PROTECTING ME from UNESCO conspiracy theories?!?!

287884 Voz 0db, replying to Voz 0db, 4, #553 of 1437 🔗

NHS Pressuring People to Sign “Do Not Attempt to Resuscitate” Orders

Do I NEED to point once again to one of the OBVIOUS GOALS that OPERATION COVIDIUS is providing to the SRF & BILLIONAIRES?!

YES?!?! Ok…

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If you go read the “17 GOALS” (even the number of GOALS is a hint!) you’ll quickly realize that THEY can only reach those GOALS if the number of heads of Their herds are reduced…

287903 ▶▶ calchas, replying to Voz 0db, 4, #554 of 1437 🔗

https://www.deagel.com/forecast

UK population 14 million by 2025?

That – and similar reductions elsewhere – would certainly solve a few problems for the central planners, such as how to provide pensions, aged care and health care for those who will retire in the next few years.

287923 ▶▶▶ Voz 0db, replying to calchas, #555 of 1437 🔗

After reading the deagel disclaimer… They are clearly attentive to the movements of the SRF & Billionaires, so that forecast is not bad at all.

Even thought I believe the time frame will be a little bigger – first one 2030 – just not to call the ATTENTION and AWARENESS of the HERDS!

287934 ▶▶▶ Voz 0db, replying to calchas, #556 of 1437 🔗

What’s for THEM the best solution to achieve the first 2 GOALS “NO POVERTY” and “ZERO HUNGER”?

Clear as SUN LIGHT… KILL ALL the poor and those in hunger!

If anyone “thinks” that they will DISTRIBUTE WEALTH… I can only ask “ On what Planet are you day dreaming?

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and fast forward…

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287963 ▶▶ RichardJames, replying to Voz 0db, 5, #557 of 1437 🔗

Whether you believe it or not, it is a fact that satanists believe that they have to have “permission” from the sacrifice before it happens. They always, always, “let it be known” what they are going to do beforehand. If there is no significant pushback, then they consider that they have “permission”. This is their notification. They are allowed to use an innocent party to notify the sacrifice, it doesn’t have to be one of them although it sometimes is done that way.

All they need is to put the notification out there. That’s why in the past satanists, witches and their familiars were always executed to make good and sure that the rest of the coven knew that they had been “refused permission”.

You will probably consider my remarks to be lunacy; so was the concept of lockdown, until last year.

287980 ▶▶▶ Voz 0db, replying to RichardJames, #558 of 1437 🔗

No lunacy at all. The SRF & Billionaires are all part of gang that still follow religiously ancient traditions.

They only adapted the modus operandi to the new age.

287885 Achilles, replying to Achilles, 9, #559 of 1437 🔗

So the 2nd cricket I DO has been cancelled now because of a couple positive tests. Perhaps the penny will start to drop that if you keep testing healthy people with a test that has false positives for a mostly harmless disease that is now endemic nothing will ever be able to go ahead as planned.

287989 ▶▶ stefarm, replying to Achilles, 2, #560 of 1437 🔗

But asymptomatic people are dangerous…………aaarrgghhhhhhhhhhh run away.

288196 ▶▶ JohnB, replying to Achilles, 2, #561 of 1437 🔗

If the penny hasn’t dropped in 10 months, it never will.

287887 Voz 0db, 5, #562 of 1437 🔗

NHS Pressuring People to Sign “Do Not Attempt to Resuscitate” Orders

Are they also pressuring to sign a “ No Harvesting of Organs for Transplant “?!

287888 alw, replying to alw, 24, #563 of 1437 🔗

JHB has nailed it.

“Can someone please explain to me why the people on an anti-lockdown protest in Regent Street, are a terrible Covid risk & 150 arrested, while the people doing their Xmas shopping in Regent Street are NOT a risk?
What’s the difference?”

287894 ▶▶ Victoria, replying to alw, 4, #564 of 1437 🔗

Exactly

287906 ▶▶ Voz 0db, replying to alw, 9, #565 of 1437 🔗

The modern moron slaves that are CONSUMING are GOOD SLAVES running the programming.

The modern moron slaves that are PROTESTING are BAD SLAVES that have a virus infecting the O.S. and they need to be inoculated!

After all:
Keep Calm and Slave on. The BEST function of DEMOCRACY is to give SLAVES the FREEDOM to CONSUME

287920 ▶▶ Marialta, replying to alw, 5, #566 of 1437 🔗

Shopping is ‘normal’ and moral in a consumer society. Shop til you drop. Standing up against unjust government rules must be crushed by police. ipAbsolutely blatant double standards. if anything shows the holes in the public health message this does!

288202 ▶▶ JohnB, replying to alw, 2, #567 of 1437 🔗

The Sikh Community are out protesting for the Famers in India today outside the Indian Embassy, good on them as the plight is being caused by globallists! But the Police behaviour is completely different to that when there is any lockdown protest, very friendly Police who I’ve even seen helping the protesters to take photos.

287892 TJS123, replying to TJS123, 22, #568 of 1437 🔗

Last night I went to one of those Christmas light things at a National Trust Property. All very pretty, as it was last year. Lots and lots of people there, and you walked round a trail that takes about an hour. Signs everywhere saying to wear a mask all the way round. In the outdoors. I was very pleased to see that 95% of people took theirs off, and nobody jumped out of anybody’s way, or moaned about people “not social distancing” despite the hectoring messages that broke through the Christmas music over the tannoy from time to time. The pub/takeaway food area was heaving too. Lovely taste of almost normality.

287895 ▶▶ Fingerache Philip., replying to TJS123, 5, #569 of 1437 🔗

GREAT.

287907 ▶▶ calchas, replying to TJS123, 13, #570 of 1437 🔗

I think that there is far more scepticism among the gneral public than we here tend to believe.

Most go along to get along – or just to avoid fines etc.

288019 ▶▶ A. Contrarian, replying to TJS123, #571 of 1437 🔗

Good to hear, we’re booked in for one on Boxing Day, they were very vague about masks “possibly” being required.

287901 Harry hopkins, replying to Harry hopkins, 19, #572 of 1437 🔗

Your ‘social distancing’ and ‘mask policies’ are working well then Boris!—Outside Harrods yesterday.

Only Four people arrested for breaking Covid rules—looks to me like thousands!

287914 ▶▶ Jonathan Palmer, replying to Harry hopkins, 4, #573 of 1437 🔗

That was a gathering of young travellers.They live outside societies rules anyway

287955 ▶▶▶ JHuntz, replying to Jonathan Palmer, 4, #574 of 1437 🔗

That makes sense as I was surprised at the lack of masks. Obviously travellers don’t subscribe to the woke virtue signalling of the average millennial.

287974 ▶▶▶▶ stefarm, replying to JHuntz, 4, #575 of 1437 🔗

And probably avoid the news and the BBC

288001 ▶▶▶▶▶ Harry hopkins, replying to stefarm, 3, #576 of 1437 🔗

Ignoring the BBC and not reading the Guardian will set you free!

288085 ▶▶▶▶ Jonathan Palmer, replying to JHuntz, 2, #577 of 1437 🔗

The travellers have a very distinct culture.They do not recognise the laws of the land and its very rare for the police to venture on their sites.

288104 ▶▶▶▶▶ dickyboy, replying to Jonathan Palmer, 3, #578 of 1437 🔗

I wish it were possible to somehow join their ranks. Travellers that is, not the filth of course.

288174 ▶▶▶▶ sam, replying to JHuntz, #579 of 1437 🔗

maybe they don’t watch TV?

287959 ▶▶▶ Ben, replying to Jonathan Palmer, 6, #580 of 1437 🔗

I want to join them. They look human

287986 ▶▶▶▶ Two-Six, replying to Ben, 1, #581 of 1437 🔗

They will steal your wheels and sell you a lurcher.

287999 ▶▶▶▶▶ Harry hopkins, replying to Two-Six, 2, #582 of 1437 🔗

Don’t think those people will steal any wheels! The bottom right hand corner shows someone sporting a ‘Canada goose’ fur trimmed coat. You won’t get much change from £600 for a luxury item like that!

288089 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Jonathan Palmer, replying to Harry hopkins, 1, #583 of 1437 🔗

More like £800 and it always helps if you don’t pay tax.

288126 ▶▶▶▶▶ Ben, replying to Two-Six, 3, #584 of 1437 🔗

As opposed to stealing my right to meet friends, family, neighbours, lovers – my civil liberties – my right to breathe fresh air

288003 ▶▶▶▶ Harry hopkins, replying to Ben, 6, #585 of 1437 🔗

We all do—without those bloody masks! Never worn one in eight months and never will!

288006 ▶▶▶ Liam, replying to p02099003, 5, #587 of 1437 🔗

“Police were forced to intervene after a huge party erupted at a Christmas market”

Can’t have people enjoying themselves can we?

288016 ▶▶ A. Contrarian, replying to Harry hopkins, 2, #588 of 1437 🔗

But where are the TSG goons? This looks much worse than the lockdown protests last weekend…

288029 ▶▶ arfurmo, replying to Harry hopkins, 3, #589 of 1437 🔗

https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/13397048/four-arrested-breaking-covid-rules-hundreds-teens-harrods / “ No one was wearing protective masks – apart from the police” and why should they? It was outside

288094 ▶▶▶ Jonathan Palmer, replying to arfurmo, 1, #590 of 1437 🔗

I drove past and there was a line of police stopping them entering the store but other than that they were left alone.

288048 ▶▶ Liewe, replying to Harry hopkins, 1, #591 of 1437 🔗

Luckily the police were wearing “protective” masks.

287902 Voz 0db, 3, #592 of 1437 🔗

Hey @BorisJohnson let us out please ! Thanks

YES SLAVE … beg for it!

The jesters CLEARLY care about your needs and desires…

287905 Wank Crapcock, replying to Wank Crapcock, 16, #593 of 1437 🔗

From FB:

Quantas airlines was privatized in March 1993

British airways buys a majority stake of Quantas airways, 25% at the time worth 665 million.

British airways is owned by International Airlines group

International Airlines Group is one of the largest in the world, it has 598 aircraft and carries 118 million people anually

Qatar Airways owns International Airlines Group

After purchasing an additional $600 million in shares, in February 2020, the Qatari Government is now 50% share holder of Qatar Airways.

Qatar is off the coast of Saudi Arabia and is the richest nation in the world, or it was.

Qatar is governed by the Emir

The Emir are the ruling class, long family histories of leaderships and extreme wealth.

The government is a de facto ” Absolute Monarchy”.

Their wealth originates from oil production and sales.

Qatar Investment Authority (the Royal Family’s investment fund), takes stake in Vaccine manufacturer Cure Vac. CureVac is making a covid vaccine.

Cure vac is designing the mRNA Covid 19 vaccine that will change our genetic make up turning us all into genetically modified organisms (GMOs).

Bill Gates is primary stake holder and investor in CureVac.

 Gates is Freinds with Tamin Bin Hamad Al Thani, the Emir of Qatar.

Qantas is piloting a Covid 19 vaccine travel passport, meaning you will be required to show proof of vaccination to fly with them.

And now you know why.

287909 ▶▶ anon, replying to Wank Crapcock, 2, #594 of 1437 🔗

ba next then

287912 ▶▶▶ Wank Crapcock, replying to anon, 1, #595 of 1437 🔗

Looks like it, along with Aer Lingus and Iberia.

288338 ▶▶▶▶ Jez Hewitt, replying to Wank Crapcock, #596 of 1437 🔗

I’m praying Ryanair are one of the last to go along with this charade to at least buy me a bit of time before having to make a very uncomfortable choice.

287917 ▶▶ sam, replying to Wank Crapcock, 4, #597 of 1437 🔗

https://www.infowars.com/posts/top-eu-scientist-warns-covid-19-vaccine-linked-to-sterilization-of-women/
Alex Jones breaks down medical experts’ testimony that the COVID-19 mRNA vaccine may sterilize women, as the head of the EU medical advisory board admitted that secret experimentation with the vaccine would violate human rights.

287922 ▶▶ Two-Six, replying to Wank Crapcock, -2, #598 of 1437 🔗

This all sound like a conspiracy theory to me.

287929 ▶▶▶ Wank Crapcock, replying to Two-Six, 2, #599 of 1437 🔗

Fear ye not, I’m wearing my tinfoil dunce hat and anti-swivel eye device, standing in the corner and thinking about what I’ve done. Supper has also been cancelled this evening.

287932 ▶▶▶▶ Two-Six, replying to Wank Crapcock, 1, #600 of 1437 🔗

I should think so.

287939 ▶▶▶ Jonathan Palmer, replying to Two-Six, 12, #601 of 1437 🔗

Yes,but when a man who’s stated aim is to reduce the world population through vaccines meets the prime minister to discus vaccine rollout;That should raise questions for everyone not smears.

288082 ▶▶▶▶ Bella Donna, replying to Jonathan Palmer, 4, #602 of 1437 🔗

😧 . Of course it should. But no one in Parliament asks why he’s cosying up to Gates, unless of course he has a problem with Microsoft Office! 🤔

287956 ▶▶▶ Ben, replying to Two-Six, 8, #603 of 1437 🔗

It does from Alex Jones. Visit instead Michael Yeadon’s Twitter account. (Ex vice president of Pfizer.) The mainstream media is actively working to discredit him

288091 ▶▶▶▶ Bella Donna, replying to Ben, 2, #604 of 1437 🔗

I’ve noticed a couple of things, comments he had supposed to have made. The governments Psych-ops 77th Brigade are at work.

288169 ▶▶▶ sam, replying to Two-Six, 3, #605 of 1437 🔗

thats because it is one! A conspiracy to destroy the West and create a one world governemnt from the UN with players such as Gates directing vaccine health policy in the whole of Europe and the USA! ‘Build back better’ is a marketing slogan from the WEF. Its meaningless drivel.
I suppose a conspiracy means that two or more people conspire together to bring about something nefarious. Seems exactly what this is to me!

288310 ▶▶▶▶ Ben, replying to sam, 3, #606 of 1437 🔗

It must be true because every country is affected. Every country is reading from the same script

Aside from the World Economic Forum, Pharma, the banks and Bill Gates it’s not known who the Covid Cabal is comprised of

To simplify, I would say every country is occupied by the WEF, including the UK. Politicians are puppets. It really is an unofficial WW3 with no clear enemy and we are all hostages

288923 ▶▶▶▶▶ sam, replying to Ben, #607 of 1437 🔗

I imagine Soros is also part of it and Klaus Schwab, Prince Charles, the Rockerfella Foundation and partners of the WEF like Salesforce. Follow the money, also Blair, Clintons, etc. Politicans probably been bribed by the big players.

287947 ▶▶ Ben, replying to Wank Crapcock, 5, #608 of 1437 🔗

Qantas are partners of the World Economic Forum – the Great Reset.

Qantas bosses know that demands for proof of vaccination will destroy the airline. That’s what they want. The Great Destruct.. ‘Alan Joyce – Agenda Contributor’

288328 ▶▶ Jez Hewitt, replying to Wank Crapcock, 3, #609 of 1437 🔗

Qatar makes virtually all its sovereign wealth from gas, not oil. At the risk of being a pedant, I wouldn’t want you shot down posting this elsewhere as a “conspiracy theorist”.

As a side note, I’ve personally spent a lot of time there working with the circles you mention. I have a story or two about back handers and dubious characters- the sort of folks involved in that world cup vote rigging scandal that funnily enough has mysteriously vanished.

They’re all cunts. The swamp is bigger than we think. It’s going to take a lot of bloodshed to drain it.

287925 Awkward Git, replying to Awkward Git, 6, #610 of 1437 🔗

Toby – the NHS and DNR/DNACPR story is a repeat of what was happening in March-June this year.

They are just repeating these are old shit again a the “public” and MSM and politicians have such short memories they think that it’s all forgotten.

287933 ▶▶ Jonathan Palmer, replying to Awkward Git, 5, #611 of 1437 🔗

The problem is most have.You only have to look at masks.For 4 months we were told they were next to useless.July 24 they beacame uniform everywhere.

287936 ▶▶▶ Awkward Git, replying to Jonathan Palmer, 5, #612 of 1437 🔗

Copied the same M.O. for the organ donation law change recently – announced it, uproar, dropped it, forgotten, sneaked through quietly a few years later.

Ditto for internet censorship and “ID cards”.

And people claim sheep are stupid, mass humanity ever dumber.

287940 ▶▶▶ Ben, replying to Jonathan Palmer, 11, #613 of 1437 🔗

They have become a uniform of the willing, aggressive virtue-signaller. A new ‘Heil Hitler’ salute – ‘I am virtuous. Do not challenge me. Comply or be the enemy. Your innate humanity does not matter. Witness the new order.’

287928 Paul Hensby, replying to Paul Hensby, -33, #614 of 1437 🔗

I’m a lockdown sceptic, but not a racist. I agree completely with the purposes, views and opinions of Lockdown Sceptics, too obvious to list here.
I also strongly dislike ‘political correctness’ though while I see that one could possibly think that the support of Black Lives Matter is simply another facet of political correctness, I happen to believe strongly in racial equality and the ending of injustice based on race.
So please think more carefully before criticising those who support Black Lives Matter, whether by getting down on one knee or other forms of showing opposition to racism. After all, it’s rather simple, surely. If you don’t believe Black Lives Matter, you think black lives don’t matter, and I refuse to countenance that Lockdown Sceptics could think like this

287969 ▶▶ p02099003, replying to Paul Hensby, 16, #615 of 1437 🔗

There is a potential problem with BLM, that is the politics behind the organisation and what their aims are.

287982 ▶▶ Marialta, replying to Paul Hensby, 8, #616 of 1437 🔗

Most people on here probably just rail against the wholesale corporate insistence on supporting BLM in the same way as tick box exercises in diversity.

287983 ▶▶ JHuntz, replying to Paul Hensby, 20, #617 of 1437 🔗

“If you don’t believe Black Lives Matter, you think black lives don’t matter”

This is utter garbage similar to “silence is violence”. I have strong reservations about an openly marxist organisation who want to defund the police. Have looted and destroyed good business throughout black communities in the US and has been hijacked by nefarious forces such as George Soros.

I personally don’t believe racism is anywhere near as endemic in the UK as it is portrayed. I also think that identity politics creates positive discrimination against the non- priviliged identities and only acts to divide society:-

https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/the-lost-boys-the-white-working-class-is-being-left-behind

288072 ▶▶▶ mjr, replying to JHuntz, 9, #618 of 1437 🔗

even worse than that, and mentioned in the Mail paper (thought not on the online excerpt quoted above , Ex footballer and “under the Hammer” present Dion Dublin is quoted saying about the Millwall supporters “To me they are racist. They dont agree with taking the knee which means they are racist”. Nice logic Dion.

What ordinary people are fed up with, and this is exemplified by the Millwall fans, is the continual virtue signalling of millionaire no brain footballers and the continual explaining and praise on every live game transmission or match of the day which insist on showing it.

Even worse , on Match of the Day last night at the start of the West Ham game , commentator Steve WIlson announced that “rainbow laces are back , with the aim of making football a safe space for all whatever your sexuality or gender identity”. So kneel for BLM and wear rainbows .

Of course this is football, where the number of UK male professional footballers to “come out” over the years is 2 and where black managers or other high position holders can be counted on one hand .

So Dion, Gary, etc, we are not racist. We think black lives matter, We just dont think virtue signalling arseholes matter .

287997 ▶▶ Arkansas, replying to Paul Hensby, 8, #619 of 1437 🔗

If you don’t believe Black Lives Matter (capitalised) it’s quite likely nothing to do with whether you believe that black lives matter; it’s more that you don’t agree with their manifesto, are dubious about the disconnect between the public perception and the content of their ultimate political aims, and you perhaps think BLM succeeding would be ultimately detrimental to black lives (as well as everybody else’s).

https://web.archive.org/web/20200202155820/https://blacklivesmatter.com/what-we-believe/

And now that it’s calling itself a “liberation movement” the disconnect has grown still further, I’d say.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/oct/23/blm-uk-gains-legal-status-with-renaming-as-black-liberation-movement-uk

It was a clever bit of branding, though, calling the political movement “Black Lives Matter” and leveraging emotive news reports — insulating it from criticism and deeper investigation and reporting. It’s much better than the similarly-minded “Extinction Rebellion”, for sure.

So:

Those taking the knee under the “BLM” banned, then, are — albeit perhaps unwittingly — not really supporting the mattering of black lives as such at all, but something quite different, and it is perfectly reasonable to criticise them for that.

288120 ▶▶▶ Ben, replying to Arkansas, 4, #620 of 1437 🔗

Identity politics is being use for divide and rule and to distract from class

288539 ▶▶▶▶ Arkansas, replying to Ben, 1, #621 of 1437 🔗

Or more broadly: to distract from economics.

288014 ▶▶ A. Contrarian, replying to Paul Hensby, 8, #622 of 1437 🔗

I believe that black lives matter, and even though you’re not allowed to say it for some reason, that all lives matter. But personally I don’t believe in Black Lives Matter, the movement. It doesn’t fit with my philosophy. Are you really suggesting that the only way to become non-racist is to subscribe to one particular political group? It’s a bit like saying that you can only live a good life and be a good person if you believe in God, surely?

288022 ▶▶ Liewe, replying to Paul Hensby, 6, #623 of 1437 🔗

I believe that Black lives matter, but I don’t believe in Black Lives Matter. There is a vast difference between basic humanity and a political movement.
We have been living through the consequences of giving power (believing) to organizations (WHO and WEF). They may have started out as benevolent organizations, but they have morphed into monsters. The same goes for BLM.

288031 ▶▶ Voz 0db, replying to Paul Hensby, 4, #624 of 1437 🔗

BLM is just another movement of moron slaves going after the wrong TARGET!

288041 ▶▶ RickH, replying to Paul Hensby, 1, #625 of 1437 🔗

I think it is a problem when assorted hobby-horses get linked here to the key issue of clarifying the actual nature of the Covid panic. It diverts and confuses, because each of these hobby-horses needs to be examined properly in its own right rather than piled into a carrier-bag of self-righteous general obsessions driven by political preference.

Trying to link everything you don’t like into a massive generalised conspiracy – even if there are linking threads – is on a par with the stupidity involved in preaching that masks work. More importantly, it undermines the credibility of this site’s clarity in putting forward evidence against the Covid narrative.

‘Black Lives Matter’ is certainly an issue for debate, and personally I get quite heated about racism being simplified and hijacked by a sectarian political movement that amounts to gesturism. But that debate is pointless here – as are windy generalisations which lazily stuff such issues as climate change, freedom of speech etc. all into the same ideological bag.

288062 ▶▶▶ Jonathan Palmer, replying to RickH, 7, #626 of 1437 🔗

Black lives matter was used to divert attention away from the lockdown.In the USA it was used to destabilise the country in the run up to the election.
The climate scam bears such close resemblance to the Covid scam that they cannot be unconnected.
Lunatic Green measures are being enacted under cover of the fake epidemic.I read today that Denmark are going to stop drilling for oil to meet their emissions targets.

288147 ▶▶▶ Mark, replying to RickH, 3, #627 of 1437 🔗

But of course hobby horses about fantasy “right wingers” being behind the coronapanic are no problem for you. Evidently, because you ride that one hard and often, in between slinging criticisms at anybody asserting something you don’t like for “riding their hobby horse”.

The hard truth for you on this is twofold;

First, this is not a site exclusive to campaigning against lockdown, though that is its primary theme. Fundamentally it is Toby Young’s personal blog, and he makes the rules and sets the tone. By including a specific section on “woke gobbledegook” he makes it explicitly clear that he will not confine himself tightly to the issue of lockdowns, and rightly so imo. Lockdown and the coronapanic might be the most urgent issue facing us, but it is most likely not the most important, in the medium or long term.

Second, there are numerous peripheral issues that are arguably connected to lockdown in various more or less tenuous ways. Examples are climate alarmism being justified and pushed based on similar kinds of modelling nonsense, and using similar methods of elite suppression of dissent, and BLM/XR thugs being allowed, even encouraged, to gather in rowdy mobs, while peaceful lockdown protesters are suppressed hard.

You can agree or disagree about particular cases, but it is inherently legitimate to propose opinions on that that might differ from yours, just as my opinion differs from your fantasies about “right wingers” being “behind” the coronapanic.

288049 ▶▶ Biker, replying to Paul Hensby, 12, #628 of 1437 🔗

you’re thirty years too late. Virtually everyone in the west is anti racist. You demean yourself thinking otherwise. BLM are an bat shit crazy bunch of people shouting about nothing, your support for them demonstrates a very low level of intelligence and understanding of the past.

288051 ▶▶ Jonathan Palmer, replying to Paul Hensby, 6, #629 of 1437 🔗

Millionaire black sportsman claiming they are being oppressed.George Soros and big corporations funding the movement.Such grassroots action.
I think the riots showed how much anti white racism exists in the black community.
Now they have served the purpose of destabilising the USA in the run up to the election watch your masters slink away until the next time black anger is needed.
Don’t equate support of a racist organisation with the cause of racial equality.

288066 ▶▶ calchas, replying to Paul Hensby, 4, #630 of 1437 🔗

I am also opposed to racism. My girlfriend is black. I am white.

I vew BLM as a ‘divide – and – rule’ human herd management strategy.

288086 ▶▶▶ Voz 0db, replying to calchas, #631 of 1437 🔗

BNL – Black Nonsense Lives?

288160 ▶▶ Mark, replying to Paul Hensby, 3, #632 of 1437 🔗

If you don’t believe Black Lives Matter, you think black lives don’t matter, and I refuse to countenance that Lockdown Sceptics could think like this

So presumably you would say, to be consistent, that anyone who disagrees with the response “all lives matter” thinks human lives don’t matter. But in the real world, people have already been viciously harassed and sacked from their jobs for saying just that.

Racism is an almost unusable concept, because it has been dishonestly exploited for political and other self-interested reasons for many decades now. If you want to have a meaningful conversation about it, you have to define it tightly first.

But imo antiracism as an ideology and pretext for hatred and illiberalism is a much bigger problem in our society today than anti-nonwhite racism, properly defined as hatred of non-whites because they are non-white. And BLM is just one of the political movements exploiting dishonesty about that reality, based upon outright lies about events in the US and here.

288193 ▶▶ Victoria, replying to Paul Hensby, 1, #633 of 1437 🔗

Listen to this video by Laurence Fox and Calvin Robinson

https://mobile.twitter.com/LozzaFox/status/1326970602893283328

288284 ▶▶ mjr, replying to Paul Hensby, #634 of 1437 🔗

“I’m a lockdown sceptic, but not a racist.” therefor implying that anyone that doesnt also think, as you do, that the BLM political movement is wonderful is a racist

288337 ▶▶ Steve Hayes, replying to Paul Hensby, #635 of 1437 🔗

Have you ever wondered why Black Lives Matter has not called for a boycott of chocolate?

287935 Joseph, replying to Joseph, 23, #637 of 1437 🔗

Telegraph reports new ‘polls’ saying 69% of Brits want to be vaccinated and 50% want to keep wearing masks even after the vaccine.

Polls boil my piss. We all know they are designed not to reflect public opinion, but shape it.

287938 ▶▶ Joseph, replying to Joseph, 16, #638 of 1437 🔗

Now if you’d all excuse me, I’m off to scream into a pillow and then make a cup of tea.

287945 ▶▶ Ozzie, replying to Joseph, 6, #639 of 1437 🔗

That’s ok as long as it is all voluntary – we need our lives back and to take responsibility for our own choices.

288010 ▶▶▶ A. Contrarian, replying to Ozzie, 10, #640 of 1437 🔗

Yes, they can wear masks forever if they want to, as long as I don’t have to. Ditto the vaccine.

287972 ▶▶ stefarm, replying to Joseph, 2, #641 of 1437 🔗

More brainwashing

288061 ▶▶▶ calchas, replying to stefarm, 2, #642 of 1437 🔗

Mask-wearing would fall off with time.

Which is why they have made it mandatory.

Most people hate the damned things.

288213 ▶▶ JohnB, replying to Joseph, #643 of 1437 🔗

Problem is the questions are so weighted like the following that most will say yes:

Would you take the vaccine if it was the the only way to to rescue your kids from certain death at the hands of a deranged psychopath?

Would you keep wearing a mask after vaccination or instead have your genitals burnt with a blowtorch?

287943 Darryl, replying to Darryl, 5, #644 of 1437 🔗

Protest supporting Indian farmers going on in London https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CVEMMUpUxV4&feature=youtu.be . Good to see. Obviously with the shopping crowds out in London yesterday the virus has once again disappeared.

287964 ▶▶ bluemoon, replying to Darryl, 5, #645 of 1437 🔗

Yes great to see the virus is not around today.
But, Indian farmers ? What about UK farmers unable to sell produce and livestock at a price to cover their expenses?

287992 ▶▶▶ Darryl, replying to bluemoon, 2, #646 of 1437 🔗

UK farmers could easy bring London to a standstill but they don’t seem to organise, they have been crushed by supermarket chains and big agriculture multinationals for decades.

As we all know it is incredibly difficult (near impossibly) for a small farmer to make even the minimum wage in the UK.

287971 ▶▶ stefarm, replying to Darryl, 3, #647 of 1437 🔗

I think there has been massive demonstrations (millions of people) in India against covid but labelled as protests by Indian farmers.

Max igan showed it in one of his videos

288005 ▶▶▶ Darryl, replying to stefarm, 3, #648 of 1437 🔗

The already poor rural areas have certainly been very hard hit in India by cruel Covid restrictions, big agriculture have also been making life hard for farmers by restricting the seeds they can use. Politicians in India seem to have really sold out to the big agriculture corporations and big tech without consulting the population. Definitely a lot of built up anger for various reasons – lots of Communist flags so political party involvement.

288056 ▶▶▶▶ calchas, replying to Darryl, #649 of 1437 🔗

It is important to remember that the protests against covid dictatorship take different forms in different countries.

288045 ▶▶ Cecil B, replying to Darryl, 2, #650 of 1437 🔗

No TSG wading in and carting off their women

They know what they would get, the Sikhs would draw their swords and see off Dicks Stasi

288273 ▶▶▶ Darryl, replying to Cecil B, #651 of 1437 🔗

I think the Met would be more worried about the critical comments on the BBC and Guardian than anything. TSG have the Green light from high places to use anti-lockdown protests as training exercises.

287944 Mark, replying to Mark, 23, #652 of 1437 🔗

“Implausible” might be the understatement of the century. Not that I think Will is likely to make this error, but just in case anybody might be tempted (doubtless some will, for political convenience), here’s the situation:

Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice, shame on me.

The truth of political convictions comes when they are tested. Claims of “conservatism” or “libertarianism” are easy to make when seeking political support, but for Johnson, Gove, and Hancock they were tested in March this year and found wanting, and those individuals have spent the past eight months doubling down on the prof that they are in their hearts the very opposite of those things. To clarify;

Lockdown is the opposite of conservatism – it is radical, big government, funded by unrepayable debt. It is utterly incompatible with any honest conception of conservatism, and a conservative minister faced with advisors suggesting it would have told them to find another way, replaced them, or resigned.

Similarly, lockdown is the polar opposite of freedom-loving (whether you call it liberal or libertarian). It puts the collective supposed welfare (incorrectly supposed, but that’s by the by) above individual choice and responsibility, assumes that individuals are not competent to run their own lives, and that there are no limits to the authority of the state to step in and police them.

Johnson, Gove and Hancock are irredeemably convicted by their own actions as authoritarian radicals. They should never be trusted again. The same applies to the rest of the cabinet, who should have resigned rather than going along with what has been done. Perhaps the latter might be allowed to redeem themselves with sufficient apologies and condemnation of the policy and its perpetrators, but that would require quite some mea culpas!

The Guilty Men were tested and found wanting. There is no way back for the key perpetrators. Anyone who gives their whining about being “freedom-loving” or “conservative” a moment’s credence is, frankly, a fool.

287967 ▶▶ Steve Hayes, replying to Mark, 2, #653 of 1437 🔗

Do you think Dominic Raab can even recall what he wrote in his book, The Assault on Liberty ?

288012 ▶▶ mhcp, replying to Mark, 3, #654 of 1437 🔗

What’s that phrase in the Bible? You shall know them by their fruits.

Or, actions speak louder than words.

A lot of authoritarians and cowards are coming out of the woodwork.

288100 ▶▶ annie, replying to Mark, 1, #655 of 1437 🔗

Absolutely right.
The fools are in Grauniadland, not DT land. Wouldn’t the Zombie Grauniad give any space to Big Chief Zombie Crusher?

287946 calchas, replying to calchas, 6, #656 of 1437 🔗

“Since no quantified virus isolates of the 2019-nCoV were available for CDC use at the time the test was developed and this study conducted, assays designed for detection of the 2019-nCoV RNA were tested with characterized stocks of in vitro transcribed full-length RNA of known titer spiked into a diluent consisting of a suspension of human A549 cells and viral transport medium (VTM) to mimic clinical specimen.”

……

Results are for the identification of SARS-CoV-2 RNA (COVID-19). SARS-CoV-2 RNA is generally detectable in upper and lower respiratory specimens during infection. Positive results are indicative of active infection with SARS-CoV-2 but do not rule out bacterial infection or co-infection with other viruses. The agent detected may not be the definite cause of disease . Detection of viral RNA may not indicate the presence of infectious virus or that 2019-nCoV is the causative agent for clinical symptoms.”

quotes from:

https://www.fda.gov/media/134922/download

“CDC 2019-Novel Coronavirus (2019-nCoV) Real-Time RT-PCR Diagnostic Panel”

Discussion:

https://www.lewrockwell.com/2020/12/no_author/does-the-covid-19-coronavirus-really-exist/

287953 ▶▶ Basics, replying to calchas, 2, #657 of 1437 🔗

“Since no quantified virus isolates of the 2019-nCoV were available for CDC use at the time…”

Are their any isolates now?

Will there ever be? To keep the lid on the PCR test fraud can they allow an isolate to be verified?

287948 Basics, replying to Basics, 2, #658 of 1437 🔗

Amazing Polly from 23rd Nov 2020.

A look at what is behind the ‘great reset’, the ‘build back better’, the ‘4th industrial revolution’, the ‘future we want’, the globalists intended recovery from the economic catatrophe lockdown over the spurious SARS CoV 2 has caused.

No, not soley klaus the fuc*er schwab, a recent union by the WEF and the UN – documents shown. The reason for this union, the criminal scumelite were failing in meeting their own goals for our world. The pressure that has been applied to the rapid acceleration of their aims accounts for some of the total mess they have produced upon us. T n T a technological failure as one example, vaccines not fit for purpose unlicensed and thrown at a scared public another example.

An interesting watch.

https://www.bitchute.com/video/3Jrc2ojV4atS/

The hrh elizabeth 2 met trudeau at Holyrood Palace, Edinburgh soon after his election as Canadian Prime Minister. He took part in a ceremony to show his subserviance to hrh. To keep in mind as you see the man ‘bliar’ to the world in the video.

287965 ▶▶ Darryl, replying to Basics, 6, #659 of 1437 🔗

Amazing Polly is very good. The fact the Bill Gates and globalist funded Guardian and BBC still fool their supposedly highly educated readers / viewer that the Great Reset is a conspiracy when world leaders are openly talk about it is staggering.

A very large percentage of the general population (close to 100% in Universities and other arms of the State) won’t believe anything until the BBC / Guardian tells them it is true. Incredibly high levels of brainwashing and programming.

288035 ▶▶▶ Jonathan Palmer, replying to Darryl, 4, #660 of 1437 🔗

Educated enough to understand and believe the propaganda but not enough to think for themselves.

288118 ▶▶ Ben, replying to Basics, 1, #661 of 1437 🔗

What’s amazing about her?

287958 p02099003, replying to p02099003, 10, #662 of 1437 🔗

Just to make you aware, the vaccine is authorised for use but it is NOT licensed, which means that whoever administers the medication HAS to explain all of the possible side effects. Also, technically I think only a registered physician can authorise the use of an unlicensed medication and on their heads be it should they fail full disclosure of the possible effects.
I’m not sure, but I also think it has to be prescribed individually.
Under normal circumstances a non prescribing healthcare professional can vaccinate people under what is known as a patient group directive. A PGD defines who can or cannot receive the medication, what dosage and means of administering. Then there are patient specific directives, which is basically a medication that must be given to a named person after agreement with a physician.
If the medication is not licensed then I’m not convinced it can be given as a PGD or even a PSD.
I know I wouldn’t be happy to administer an unlicensed medication.

288025 ▶▶ Voz 0db, replying to p02099003, 1, #663 of 1437 🔗

“Small details… Never mind those… Just move along, keep the line moving sheeple”

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288117 ▶▶ Ben, replying to p02099003, 1, #664 of 1437 🔗

Under Covid legislation, no doubt, the shop staff who sell you a sausage roll will be able to inject you after half an hour’s training

288215 ▶▶ Victoria, replying to p02099003, #665 of 1437 🔗

the vaccine is authorised for use but it is NOT licensed

Great Information thanks

~ Before taking a vaccine or a prescribed drug, do proper research and then make an informed decision whether to take it or not ~

288053 ▶▶ calchas, replying to Jay Berger, #667 of 1437 🔗

An outstanding essay. Thanks for linking.

288908 ▶▶ Jez Hewitt, replying to Jay Berger, #668 of 1437 🔗

Thanks Jay. In addition to the general sense of community and to coin a phrase, “we’re all in this together” (forgive me), the amazing thing about LS is stuff like this. Another perspective on the shit we can see.

The only problem with it is it makes my blood boil. And once that’s evaporated, I’m left with my soul. And once that’s crushed, one doesn’t really have a lot left to lose.

Do they want this more than I don’t want them to have it nor to have my kids live in it? I’m actually starting to think they haven’t thought this through.

287991 Awkward Git, replying to Awkward Git, 22, #669 of 1437 🔗

Few highlights from last weeks’ 1500 mile journey from Staffordshire to Anglesey to Manchester, Kent, Birmingham and all points inbetween:

  • Police? What Police? Only ones I saw and said “Hi” to were heading for shelter in a doorway out of the wind and rain.
  • Exemption lanyard and badge showing most of the time when I remembered, not challenged once anywhere even in hospitals and clinics.
  • One nurse at a big hospital I was dropping lab samples off at saw it, saw my “not brainwashed” badge on my cap, pretended to take my temperature “just for the look of it” and waved me on my merry way.
  • Went to collect at the offices of a metropolitan mayor I had called earlier in the week a disgrace in an e-mail after watching him in an interview. No masks, no social distancing, hand sanitiser ignored, Police in the lobby, no exemption lanyard, no questions. And this guy was gung ho for all the restrictions in his area.
  • Less people driving with masks on but it’s the same old 30-35 females and 60-70 sanctimonious scared.
  • Less masks in street – same demographic.
  • Almost no social distancing.
  • Apart from businesses under threat from the Council bully boys (letter to LGA coming I think) and HSE departments putting posters up everywhere people mostly ignoring Government and getting on with things.
  • Still raying o get these on to do a postcard from his time inMPoland and his trip to the pub last night – says it’s depressing and there uses are stupid but pubs were crowded especially Wetherspoons, Police ignoring underage drinkers, independent pubs no food in sight, standing at bar etc and they found ways round the 2 beer rule by leaving one in they first pub with food, popping across the road to another, having few beers there, getting carry out from an off-licence,m drinking crossing road back to friend with pubs and so on – total farce he says.
  • He noticed that all the deliver/just eat etc delivery drivers were “oldies” as he put it, claims they were all over 60 and no masks etc but these are the same ones who are scared to go in a shop and come near you.
  • In supermarkets the muzzled still cannot even meet your eyes and look away but staff are glad to chat to the free-faced.
  • I’ll end up being branded a pedophile soon – the kids look at me and then the wife and smile, wave etc at us (and we are allergic to children, little germ magnets) as they can see a face and human contact. Some parents turn them away, some looks and I guess there is a wane smile under the muzzle.
  • Most people only wearing the muzzle half-heartedly and nowhere near correct but just to “comply” a little as they can get away with.
  • Got one company thinking as their staff were playing with the muzzles so I asked if they had seen the 17 step Government guidance on the correct way to wear one, wash hands everytime you touch it with soap and hot water not sanitiser, 20 mins max for paper masks then change or sooner if wet, the medical issues and so on. Boss looked thoughtful and the staff were all checking the internet when I left.
288002 ▶▶ Two-Six, replying to Awkward Git, 3, #670 of 1437 🔗

Good to hear the magic badge worked 🙂

288096 ▶▶▶ annie, replying to Two-Six, 1, #671 of 1437 🔗

I have one on every coat I possess. Worn with pride.

288039 ▶▶ calchas, replying to Awkward Git, 1, #672 of 1437 🔗

BElief in the bullshit is generally not even skin-deep.

288093 ▶▶ annie, replying to Awkward Git, #673 of 1437 🔗

Great report, A.G.!

287995 MiriamW-sometimes-AlanG, replying to MiriamW-sometimes-AlanG, 13, #674 of 1437 🔗

Good issue today! Now this post carries a serious health warning. In sharing this information I may be asymptomatically transmitting some egregious pseudo-scientific fear-porn currently being delivered to the intellectual liberal classes, some of whom are/were friends of ours.

First, a true confession. For years, AlanG and I have subscribed to the London Review of Books, which Simon Elmer (Architects for Social Housing) describes in ‘Betrayal of the Clerks’ as A politely liberal organ of vaguely distressed middle-class values. (ouch!) As we quickly rumbled the Covid-bollox by early April, we had to recognise that our former much-enjoyed bi-weekly read was very much part of the problem. A spat with their clueless and rude blog editor when he flatly refused to publish my link to the LS ‘Hyper-rationality’ article because it was on Lockdown Sceptics (obvious far-right CTs) sealed their fate and we will never, ever subscribe to the arse-rag again.

Anyway, they have just published another piece by Rupert Beale of the Crick Institute. Simon Elmer, in the above piece, said of his last LRB piece in March (I’ve shortened this extract a bit):

’19 March Rupert Beale, ‘Wash your hands’ written by a clinician scientist at the Francis Crick Institute, which is partnered with Imperial College London and the Wellcome Trust and counts among its board members key SAGE member Sir Jeremy Farrar, set the benchmark for every subsequent contribution. It provided a brief overview of coronaviruses, [ ] This was written the week before the Government imposed the lockdown of the UK, and 8 months later [those] figures are still generally agreed on. But his next figures, which he appears to have taken from the World Health Organisation, is that the case fatality rate is 3 per cent, which equates to 70 and 165 million deaths worldwide, reduced to 1 per cent if Governments impose lockdown restrictions. Now we know the IFR is around 0.2 per cent, [ ]. This is less than the 1.45 million deaths caused so far this year by HIV/AIDS, the 2.16 million deaths caused by alcohol, the 4.33 million deaths caused by smoking, and the more than 7 million deaths caused by cancer.

We can’t expect Dr. Beale to speak with the benefit of hindsight, but none of this appears to have registered with the author, who appeared happy to use his status as a clinician to terrorise his readers with these wildly inaccurate estimates. He didn’t hesitate to write that, without lockdown measures, this would be ‘the worst disaster in human history in terms of total lives lost’; and quoted a colleague writing that ‘This will be different from what anyone living has ever experienced. The closest comparator is 1918 influenza’, which killed 50 million people. He concluded:

‘What’s very clear is that we must comply immediately with whatever measures competent public health authorities urge us to take, even if they seem disproportionate. It’s time to increase “social distance” in all sorts of ways.’

No subsequent retraction of this irresponsible fearmongering in the service of the biosecurity state has since been issued either by Dr. Beale or by the LRB.’

In his latest piece, entitled ‘End in Sight’ , Beale has surpassed the above by several miles. It ticks every single box; there is nothing we can think of he hasn’t covered: too late lock-down, asymptomatic transmission, masks, Russia, Trump, the ‘blessed’ vaccines which he can’t wait to have, mass-testing as a ‘cure’ for Covid, you name it! I started to pick out the falsehoods and blatant pharma-sponsored propaganda and fear-mongering and quickly realised it would be far quicker to highlight anything that was true. It would not have taken me long!

Maybe we should suggest that Dr Beale takes his vaccine on live TV along with Piers Moron and Matt Wancock. They can dedicate the programme to the memory of Matt Hancock’s ‘Step-Grandfather’ whose tragic death from The Awful Virus he so movingly mourned in the House last week. MW

288073 ▶▶ RickH, replying to MiriamW-sometimes-AlanG, 2, #675 of 1437 🔗

“… which is partnered with Imperial College London and the Wellcome Trust …”

aka ‘the scientific kiss of death”

288106 ▶▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to RickH, #676 of 1437 🔗

All roads lead to the same place. Panic fear and bullshit modelling

288092 ▶▶ annie, replying to MiriamW-sometimes-AlanG, 2, #677 of 1437 🔗

The worst disaster in human history was the Black Death, which killed between a third and a half of the population of Eurasia.
Of course, they didn’t have gimp masks in those days.

288121 ▶▶▶ Jonathan Palmer, replying to annie, 3, #678 of 1437 🔗

That was a proper pandemic

288290 ▶▶▶▶ Biker, replying to Jonathan Palmer, 3, #679 of 1437 🔗

everything was better in the old days

288335 ▶▶▶ Steve Hayes, replying to annie, #680 of 1437 🔗

In response to the fear and suffering, the king of France commissioned Europe’s most learned experts to study the disease and make recommendations for the well being of the people. The experts found that washing made people susceptible to the disease and they recommended that no one should wash. As a result for centuries Europeans avoided washing like the plague.

The notion that today’s experts are incapable of giving equally terrible advice is evidence of a child-like faith in authority figures.

287998 Ozzie, replying to Ozzie, 19, #681 of 1437 🔗

Given that the success of the compulsory vaccine petition to parliament, I notice that there isn’t a petition to remove all restrictions.

I am going to attempt to start one – given the disdain that people have for the restrictions, I would have thought there could be a reasonable sign-up.

Here is what I am suggesting as the text – please let me have any further ideas, corrections, etc.. I would also need five volunteers to sign initially. Thanks in advance.

Remove all COVID-19 restrictions, including the tier system and face coverings across the UK.
The SARS-CoV-2 virus has proved to be less lethal than previously thought, with an infection fatality rate of less than 0.5% (ie. less than 5 people in a thousand who become infected with the virus die. This is substantially lower for people who are under 60 years old). This is comparable with the seasonal flu.
The cost of restricting the economy through lockdowns and tiers is enormous and has a substantial impact on the health of people across the UK with delays in health treatment for other diseases, such as cancer. It has substantially increased other illnesses such as depression. The repercussions of this are likely to far outweigh the health effects of COVID-19.
The government has borrowed £214.9bn, £169.1bn more than a year ago (source: BBC). Given that the UK paid down debt about £34bn since the 2008 financial crisis, debt from this year alone will take decades to clear. This is likely to impact the standard of living for many for a long time to come, including our children, grand-children and beyond.
There were more than 50,000 excess winter deaths in England and Wales during 2017-18 – the highest recorded excess winter deaths since the winter of 1975-76, but the country had was not placed in restrictions to protect the NHS. Currently the NHS is not being overwhelmed with COVID-19 patients.

288009 ▶▶ Mabel Cow, replying to Ozzie, 2, #682 of 1437 🔗

You might consider using the Office for Budget Responsibility’s figures from 2020-11-25 that show borrowings of £394bn as at November (vs £55bn in March), a net increase of £339bn in the space of eight months.

This is the origin of the £339bn mentioned in the £6m borrowed for every Covid death article in the Daily Mail on 2020-11-27.

288065 ▶▶▶ Ozzie, replying to Mabel Cow, 2, #683 of 1437 🔗

Thanks Mabel – just made the changes and included the cost per death.

288043 ▶▶ Stephanos, replying to Ozzie, 3, #684 of 1437 🔗

I will support this. I have been nagging my MP for months about the removal of ALL restrictions including anti-social distancing (please include this specifically). No success I am afraid.

288060 ▶▶ Winston Smith, replying to Ozzie, 2, #685 of 1437 🔗

I will sign it and so will my wife!

288153 ▶▶ thedarkhorse, replying to Ozzie, 1, #686 of 1437 🔗

Nice write-up. I’d sign it.

288170 ▶▶ Victoria, replying to Ozzie, 1, #687 of 1437 🔗

Prevent any restrictions on those who refuse a Covid-19 vaccination Already 293,623 signatures

https://petition.parliament.uk/petitions/323442

288008 Ben, replying to Ben, 2, #688 of 1437 🔗

‘Clap for the NHS’ – Yay!

‘Sign for the NHS’ – Yay!

288015 ▶▶ stefarm, replying to Ben, 5, #689 of 1437 🔗

Die for the NHS – Yay

288020 ▶▶▶ Voz 0db, replying to stefarm, 9, #690 of 1437 🔗

YEP!
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288156 ▶▶ Graham3, replying to Ben, 2, #691 of 1437 🔗

Clap still has an unwelcome meaning for me.

288330 ▶▶ Nigel Sherratt, replying to Ben, 1, #692 of 1437 🔗

Looking forward to getting my DNR certificate framed.

288011 Moomin, replying to Moomin, 5, #693 of 1437 🔗

Covid testers in our area today apparently! I better lock the doors and turn the light out! I’m extremely tired this week after a busy week and I’m worried I’ll be very rude to them if they knock on the door! What should I say apart from get lost?!

288018 ▶▶ Voz 0db, replying to Moomin, 4, #694 of 1437 🔗

just beat the shit out of them… Boil some oil and use it!

288021 ▶▶ Cecil B, replying to Moomin, 6, #695 of 1437 🔗

Please summon up the energy and be extremely rude to them

288108 ▶▶ Mr Dee, replying to Moomin, 7, #696 of 1437 🔗

Upon opening the door, ask them if they want Jesus Christ in their life, and thrust a copy of the Watch Tower at them.

288162 ▶▶▶ kh1485, replying to Mr Dee, 3, #697 of 1437 🔗

And offer them a cup of tea, Mrs Doyle style ( Father Ted)

288329 ▶▶▶▶ Nigel Sherratt, replying to kh1485, 1, #698 of 1437 🔗

Demand “drink, feck, girls” Father Jack style.

288112 ▶▶ Ben, replying to Moomin, 2, #699 of 1437 🔗

Say to them:

‘I’ll have a test if you have one too’

Note the expression on their face when you say this

288013 stefarm, 1, #700 of 1437 🔗

The you know what has arrived

https://twitter.com/AngelaR34138326/status/1334925739850948612

In the latest Max Igan in The Crowhouse he plays a video of Boris talking about the new you know what and he makes a slip of the tongue saying the virus has to be kept at -70 deg. Can anyone verify this?

https://www.bitchute.com/video/azr4kGEUWceb/

288017 Cecil B, replying to Cecil B, 9, #701 of 1437 🔗

I suspect that most of the British public would prefer to give up their freedoms rather then give up their mobile phones

They would happily denounce their families and have them carted off by the Covid Stasi provided they could continue to watch Strictly (whatever that is)

288027 ▶▶ MiriamW-sometimes-AlanG, replying to Cecil B, 9, #702 of 1437 🔗

If you carry one round with you, you have already given up your freedom. The mass-addiction to smartphones has brilliantly ushered-in the bio-security state and most people haven’t a clue. MW

288042 ▶▶▶ Cecil B, replying to MiriamW-sometimes-AlanG, 6, #703 of 1437 🔗

Yes they can turn it on remotely and listen to you even when you think the phone is turned on

Same with your Alexa and your TV

Even Winston Smith had a corner of his room where the telescreen couldn’t see him

288046 ▶▶ Bella Donna, replying to Cecil B, 2, #704 of 1437 🔗

Sad but true.

288024 A. Contrarian, replying to A. Contrarian, 3, #705 of 1437 🔗

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2020/12/05/dont-talk-eating-restaurants-study-warns/?utm_content=telegraph&utm_medium=Social&utm_campaign=Echobox&utm_source=Twitter#Echobox=1607240187

Don’t talk while eating in restaurants, a study has warned, as it claims people can be infected by Covid-19 more than six metres away.

Diners should refrain from having “conversation during meals” as well as avoid “loud talking or shouting”, according to researchers in Korea.

Their study claims that people who are 6.5 metres apart can still infect each other, and the window of transmission can be as little as five minutes.

Restaurants should consider installing dividing walls between tables to prevent this happening, they argue.

288032 ▶▶ NorthumbrianNomad, replying to A. Contrarian, 7, #706 of 1437 🔗

They can warn and argue all they like and use the entirely superfluous phrasal verb “refrain from” (just say “do not”) but it’s just more covid terror porn and people will increasingly ignore it.

288036 ▶▶ Smelly Melly, replying to A. Contrarian, 8, #707 of 1437 🔗

As viruses can travel on the winds, people can be infected 6000 miles away.

288044 ▶▶ Bella Donna, replying to A. Contrarian, 9, #708 of 1437 🔗

When are they going to STFU? I’m sick of the constant nagging.

288083 ▶▶ annie, replying to A. Contrarian, 4, #709 of 1437 🔗

6.5. metres?Twenty feet?
Why isn’t everybody dead by now?

288146 ▶▶ Lisa (formerly) from Toronto, replying to A. Contrarian, 1, #710 of 1437 🔗

If we combine this guidance with the dictator of California’s recommendation, dining out will be a blast! Don’t talk to your dinner companion(s) and pull up your mask between bites of food and sips of drink. Sounds like a great night out, eh? I think I’ll eat in at home.

288852 ▶▶▶ David Grimbleby, replying to Lisa (formerly) from Toronto, #711 of 1437 🔗

Is this the same hypocritical fucker who broke ALL his insane rules lately?

288172 ▶▶ Victoria, replying to A. Contrarian, #712 of 1437 🔗

More scientists that are peddling nonsense – get rid of the scientists they add no value

288026 NorthumbrianNomad, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, 10, #713 of 1437 🔗

I need to vent about the cricket. England went to South Africa for one day series. Endless ructions about South African cricket politics and covid bubbles almost scuppered it before they went but they went. To the other end of the planet, to play a few one day games in empty stadia. The first two games have been cancelled because of positive covid tests among the players. Who are fit young men to whom it means nothing. They’re probably going to fly home again after playing no games. On so many levels this is a complete waste of time and money. Yet the cricket fans I’ve talked to in the UK are all “well, that’s the way it is can’t be helped mustn’t grumble”. The level of brainwashing is astonishing. There is literally no risk to these players. And they’re in the blasted bubbles so there’s zero change they’re going to infect anyone vulnerable. Why are people so dense?

288037 ▶▶ Steve Hayes, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, 2, #714 of 1437 🔗

The cricket authorities ought to have a word with the Vuelta race organisers, who obviously found a way of conducting approximately fifteen hundred coronavirus tests without a single positive result.

288070 ▶▶▶ Mike Collins, replying to Steve Hayes, 9, #715 of 1437 🔗

No more than 30 cycles PCR and astonishingly the pandemic disappears. It’s the same trick Boris and his mates are going to introduce in February.

288050 ▶▶ calchas, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, 2, #716 of 1437 🔗

I follow cricket usually too, but I have completely lost interest with all this nonsense going on.

By the way, what is the situation in Thailand right now with all the regulations?

What are the regulations and are they being enforced?

What is the mood of people?

Thanks in advance?

288128 ▶▶▶ kh1485, replying to calchas, 2, #717 of 1437 🔗

Me too and Rugby Union. Now reduced to watching re-runs of classic matches:

(53) 1981 Headingley Impossible win – Bob Willis 8/43 – Most famous Ashes spell ever! – YouTube

288256 ▶▶▶ Adamb, replying to calchas, 1, #718 of 1437 🔗

Very interesting, thanks for taking the time to share that. Given the almost complete lack of impact anywhere in east/south east Asia, the prior immunity theory has to be largely correct as far as I can see.

288359 ▶▶▶ calchas, replying to calchas, 1, #719 of 1437 🔗

Thanks NN for that wonderfully detailed description.

I am looking to emigrate so that I cam live like a human being again and I know Thailand well, so that was why I was asking.

288173 ▶▶ Victoria, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, #720 of 1437 🔗

Exactly

288028 Tom Blackburn, 7, #721 of 1437 🔗

https://twitter.com/mainlyoasis/status/1335330419697463297?s=20

Liam Gallagher calls out Rishi and ‘Doris’ half way through Cigarettes and Alcohol

288030 A. Contrarian, replying to A. Contrarian, 5, #722 of 1437 🔗

https://twitter.com/JuliaHB1/status/1335518696635330561

Top comment:

He’s from the government and he’s here to help.

288133 ▶▶ Paul, replying to A. Contrarian, 1, #723 of 1437 🔗

What’s the green shit coming in through the window ?,is it the rona ?,ectoplasm ? or is it the rona leaving or granny’s soul on it’s way after hypothermia got her ?.

288034 Tom Blackburn, replying to Tom Blackburn, 14, #724 of 1437 🔗

What was going on at Harrod’s yesterday? Hats off to the kids, they are getting inventive.

288068 ▶▶ watashi, replying to Tom Blackburn, 1, #725 of 1437 🔗

any details?

288109 ▶▶▶▶ Liam, replying to Tom Blackburn, 6, #727 of 1437 🔗

“Piers Morgan led the outrage against the scenes”

Oh to never hear those words again….

288175 ▶▶▶▶▶ OKUK, replying to Liam, 6, #728 of 1437 🔗

The same Piers Morgan who praised his son’s involvement in a BLM protest that broke all the Covid laws and a few others as well.

288231 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Tom Blackburn, replying to OKUK, 3, #729 of 1437 🔗

He’s a fucking massive whopper. So much so, I find it hard to get mad at him. His son shows him up on a weekly basis which is sound.

288216 ▶▶▶▶▶ Biker, replying to Liam, 3, #730 of 1437 🔗

Morgan has so much cringe he cause a rift in the space time continuum

288069 ▶▶ RickH, replying to p02099003, 1, #732 of 1437 🔗

Yes – that puts it into perspective, given that the differences were always exaggerated, anyway.

A particular key factor is, indeed, the ‘dry tinder’ one, whereby the vulnerable population can be significantly increased by a prior year of low mortality.

This is crystal clear in the case of the UK and Sweden I was surprised back in May at how much the overall curve of historical mortality was smoothed by the simple operation of calculating the mean mortality of each two-year period : it achieves more smoothing than the conventional moving average.

288052 Bruce Reynolds, replying to Bruce Reynolds, 127, #733 of 1437 🔗

Just on my fith Guinness at a pub lock-in ( no pun intended) where the landlord is a fanatic sceptic, the place is alive,hand shakes, back slapping, not a muzzle in sight and to top it off I’m smoking a big fat cigar.. curtains drawn, back entrance admission, this is one pub that will survive this monumental con job…

288055 ▶▶ Eddie, replying to Bruce Reynolds, 39, #734 of 1437 🔗

F**k yeah this is the stuff I love to read!! Enjoy life!!!

288064 ▶▶▶ Bruce Reynolds, replying to Eddie, 32, #735 of 1437 🔗

A big cheer has gust gone up after I read out your comment..

288081 ▶▶▶▶ Eddie, replying to Bruce Reynolds, 26, #736 of 1437 🔗

Thanks Brucie, that’s an awesome feeling you’ve just sent me well across the world! I’m there with y’all in spirit!

288090 ▶▶▶▶▶ Bruce Reynolds, replying to Eddie, 20, #737 of 1437 🔗

Hopefully that awesome feeling will return again to all of us that cherish our hard earned freedoms..

288058 ▶▶ Liam, replying to Bruce Reynolds, 25, #738 of 1437 🔗

You lucky sod! Have one for me!

288059 ▶▶▶ Bruce Reynolds, replying to Liam, 15, #739 of 1437 🔗

You bet..

288067 ▶▶ Mabel Cow, replying to Bruce Reynolds, 31, #740 of 1437 🔗

Perhaps the phrase “ speak softly shop ” will re-enter the public lexicon soon. A place where smartphones and credit cards are banned, and ordinary people exchange lively banter just like those heady days of 2019.

288102 ▶▶▶ Ben, replying to Mabel Cow, 18, #741 of 1437 🔗

Before politicians criminalised life – less than a year ago

288071 ▶▶ calchas, replying to Bruce Reynolds, 17, #742 of 1437 🔗

Fantastic – love it.

288078 ▶▶ Tom Blackburn, replying to Bruce Reynolds, 12, #743 of 1437 🔗

Enjoy 🙂

288097 ▶▶ kh1485, replying to Bruce Reynolds, 16, #744 of 1437 🔗

Best post of the day. Cheers!

288099 ▶▶ Bella Donna, replying to Bruce Reynolds, 11, #745 of 1437 🔗

Sounds wonderful. 😁

288119 ▶▶ Two-Six, replying to Bruce Reynolds, 13, #746 of 1437 🔗

I wanna go!

288125 ▶▶ Fingerache Philip., replying to Bruce Reynolds, 12, #747 of 1437 🔗

I don’t drink or smoke but: “Good on yer, Bruce”.

288127 ▶▶ arfurmo, replying to Bruce Reynolds, 2, #748 of 1437 🔗

No doubt some miserable sod will dob the publican in and that will be that .

288227 ▶▶▶ Bruce Reynolds, replying to arfurmo, 19, #749 of 1437 🔗

A certain person already tried that they are now enjoying Hospital food as a reward for there troubles..

288143 ▶▶ AN other lockdown sceptic, replying to Bruce Reynolds, 15, #750 of 1437 🔗

You’ve made my day. Thank you for the post

Used to love a good lock in. My all time favourite one was in a pub next door to a police station. Halcyon days.

Have fun.

288164 ▶▶ Biker, replying to Bruce Reynolds, 10, #751 of 1437 🔗

Is that the pub you planned the great train robbery in?

288234 ▶▶▶ Bruce Reynolds, replying to Biker, 6, #752 of 1437 🔗

Oh yes Biker The Star Tavern I have a lump in my throat and a tear in my eye..

288285 ▶▶▶▶ Biker, replying to Bruce Reynolds, 7, #753 of 1437 🔗

and a pint in your hand

288171 ▶▶ OKUK, replying to Bruce Reynolds, 9, #754 of 1437 🔗

We know you can’t tell us where but we wish you could!

288188 ▶▶ Steve Hayes, replying to Bruce Reynolds, 10, #755 of 1437 🔗

Back in March I wondered how long it would take people to re-invent the speakeasy.

288238 ▶▶ tonyspurs, replying to Bruce Reynolds, 7, #757 of 1437 🔗

Love it ! Well played landlord

288488 ▶▶ Alethea, replying to Bruce Reynolds, 3, #758 of 1437 🔗

I hope they do cocktails. I’ll have a Manhattan, please.

288063 Harry hopkins, 21, #759 of 1437 🔗

I was just thinking. What with the Xmas rush ‘n all and the shops swamped with masked bandits fighting for stuff, what opportunities there must be for the the real masked bandits to have a field day:

‘Well officer, he had a black mask right up to his eyes when he threatened me with a knife and I had no choice but to hand over the gold watch. What was he like? Well, they all look the same don’t they but if I’m honest, a bit like you without the uniform!’.

288076 Tom Blackburn, replying to Tom Blackburn, 1, #760 of 1437 🔗
288077 ▶▶ annie, replying to Tom Blackburn, 3, #761 of 1437 🔗

Doesn’t he mean ‘own goal’?

288095 ▶▶ Ben, replying to Tom Blackburn, 19, #762 of 1437 🔗

Healthy animals were destroyed and farmers chose suicide because of Ferguson’s models.. A prison sentence is appropriate

288098 ▶▶▶ JHuntz, replying to Ben, 5, #763 of 1437 🔗

Solitary would be appropriate no physical contact allowed

288195 ▶▶▶ annie, replying to Ben, 3, #764 of 1437 🔗

I’d have him shot and buried on the spot where animals were slaughtered en masse.

288201 ▶▶▶ peter, replying to Ben, 6, #765 of 1437 🔗

I worked for the RSPCA at the time of FMD, it was ghoulish in the extreme.
We had hundreds of farmers literally crying on the phone everyday saying their cattle were being butchered for nothing. We built up a big case against MAFF but the farmers were told if they wanted compensation they had to sign the official secrets act, which they all did. Then the govt disbanded MAFF and rebranded it as DEFRA and the truth went on the pyres along with the disease free cattle.
The RSPCA were unable to pursue a prosecution as the witnesses were all bribed.

288288 ▶▶▶▶ Ben, replying to peter, 5, #766 of 1437 🔗

I’m amazed by Ferguson’s lack of conscience. None it seems. He continues helping the Government to impose life destroying restrictions on millions of innocent people whilst he breaks the rules to see a married lover.

288334 ▶▶▶▶▶ Waldorf, replying to Ben, 1, #767 of 1437 🔗

It and similar occurrences also suggest Covid is not as dangerous as they were/are claiming, as Ferguson does not come across as suicidal and would not have done what he did if there was a real risk involved.

288658 ▶▶▶▶▶ Borisbullshit, replying to Ben, 1, #768 of 1437 🔗

The married lover has very poor taste fancying the weasel rat himself.

288511 ▶▶▶ TJN, replying to Ben, 1, #769 of 1437 🔗

He got an OBE for that. Really.

288080 calchas, replying to calchas, 4, #770 of 1437 🔗

“World Food Programme (WFP) chief David Beasley sounded the alarm at a United Nations General Assembly meeting Friday about the reemergence of the virus pandemic and resulting humanitarian crisis, reported RT News .
Beasley said a humanitarian catastrophe is developing with some 270 million people on the pathway towards “starvation.”

https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/2021-will-be-catastrophic-un-warns-humanitarian-crisis-270-million-people-starve

288087 ▶▶ Ben, replying to calchas, 5, #771 of 1437 🔗

‘PaNdEmIc’.. The definition of which was changed by the World Health Organisation in 2009 after pressure from Pharma companies

288113 ▶▶ James Leary #KBF, replying to calchas, 3, #772 of 1437 🔗

The great and the good can huff & puff about stopping these wars, as if North London can go in tooled up with copies of the Guardian, and sundry NGO children and paedos on gap yars and fiddling endeavours, but Britain’s colonial past was much more effective in this arena. Shame they’re not allowed to think such heresy. Word of warning – don’t go in in a Blackhawk.

288136 ▶▶ Lisa (formerly) from Toronto, replying to calchas, 7, #773 of 1437 🔗

Well at least they won’t get Covid, which is surely worse than dying of starvation. I hope all the mask zealots who express such concern about “saving lives” feel really virtuous. These humanitarians should sleep really well, berating us selfish people who won’t wear a mask while hiding under their beds. Why let a few hundred million people starving stand in the way of their need to feel “safe?”

288137 ▶▶ Old Normal, replying to calchas, 3, #774 of 1437 🔗

Just watch all of the world’s ‘philanthropists’ step in with billions to solve the world’s hunger problems.

You’ll be waiting a long time…

288311 ▶▶ Noumenon, replying to calchas, #775 of 1437 🔗

Let them eat vaccines…

288084 calchas, replying to calchas, 16, #776 of 1437 🔗

If you haven’t seen it

Journalists and rich people defined as “high value business travellers” will be made exempt from having to enter a 2 week COVID quarantine when they return to the UK under new rules announced by the government.”

https://www.zerohedge.com/political/rich-people-journalists-made-exempt-having-enter-covid-quarantine-uk

It is all nonsense.

Will the rich be exempt from vaccine-related rules?

288088 ▶▶ Ben, replying to calchas, 14, #777 of 1437 🔗

This is why the Corona Scandal is a global class war

288252 ▶▶▶ Waldorf, replying to Ben, 6, #778 of 1437 🔗

Indeed.
If you’re rich, does Covid spare you?
It is worth noting also that police are among the groups who move most freely around during lockdowns – do they not catch or spread the dread contagion?

288103 Cheezilla, replying to Cheezilla, 12, #779 of 1437 🔗

Exclusive: The fast-track approval of the coronavirus vaccine means restrictions could be loosened before the end of March, the Health Secretary has said.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2020/12/05/exclusive-matt-hancock-says-vaccine-will-loosen-covid-tiers/

But we knew several weeks ago that they intended to keep us in mockdown till Easter at the earliest. Are people’s memories really that short?

People need reminding that June has been mentioned a worrying number of times too!

288192 ▶▶ annie, replying to Cheezilla, 2, #780 of 1437 🔗

Wankok needs a noose, not a loose.

288105 mjr, replying to mjr, 21, #781 of 1437 🔗

couple of covid related sports observations.

that hypocritical virtue signalling mask wearer Hamilton who tested positive and misses todays grand prix. George Russell, the guy that has replaced him in the Mercedes, and who has had 36 starts with Williams and accumulated zero points, starts on the front row of the grid today having been fastest on Friday and second fastest yesterday.
Proof that Hamilton is an average driver driving the best (by far) car. And an arsehole

ALso, BBC announced death of golf commentator . Peter Alliss . His family described his death as “unexpected but peaceful”. No mention of Covid. And he was only 89. what else could it be? very remiss of the BBC to shun such an opportunity

288242 ▶▶ Ceriain, replying to mjr, 11, #782 of 1437 🔗

Thanks, mjr.

You could have saved loads of time with just typing:

Hamilton is an average driver driving the best (by far) car. And an arsehole

😉

288107 Just about sane, replying to Just about sane, 7, #783 of 1437 🔗

The latest threat today is from the Scottish health secretary. The 11 councils in LOCKDOWN, tier4 may not get placed in a lower tier on Friday the 11th as promised. Two weeks until Christmas and our shops are closed. I can buy food, alcohol and furniture but I can’t buy gifts for my family for Christmas.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-scotland-politics-55206120

288111 ▶▶ mjr, replying to Just about sane, 5, #784 of 1437 🔗

buy them a wardrobe each.. simple

288159 ▶▶▶ Just about sane, replying to mjr, 2, #785 of 1437 🔗

I can always go to matalan and buy toothbrush holders for them, because Matalan in Ayr is open or at least is for homewares but the plonker put a barrier on the clothes and gifts. Oh dear I can’t go to matalan, I’m no longer allowed to go to the beach as I’m not in south Ayrshire. Bunch of dictating tossers and I can shout my mouth off but everyone avoids me now, I’m classed as a plague carrying selfish bat.

288122 ▶▶ arfurmo, replying to Just about sane, 3, #786 of 1437 🔗

And yet it will be “Thank you St Nicola for keeping us safe”

288132 ▶▶ Old Normal, replying to Just about sane, 7, #787 of 1437 🔗

She is an absolute disaster. Everything she touches turns to shit.

It seems she’s being allowed to screw up as much as she can before retiring next year.

The botched vaccine roll out will be another thing to add to the growing list of abject failures she’s had her hand in.

288139 ▶▶▶ The Mask Exempt Covid Marshall, replying to Old Normal, 7, #788 of 1437 🔗

Oh, she’s terrible, but seems be Teflon-coated. Lots of Scots, including my Mum, refer to her as ‘Nicola’, like they’re bezzy pals.

288187 ▶▶▶▶ annie, replying to The Mask Exempt Covid Marshall, 1, #789 of 1437 🔗

It’s mass sado-masochism.

288134 ▶▶ Two-Six, replying to Just about sane, 6, #790 of 1437 🔗

Why is an American holding so much influence over a foreign country?
How?

288744 ▶▶▶ CGL, replying to Two-Six, #791 of 1437 🔗

Off topic but I never understood why we had a Canadian heading up the Bank of England either.

288135 ▶▶ The Mask Exempt Covid Marshall, replying to Just about sane, 11, #792 of 1437 🔗

I can see what’s in this for Jeff Bezos. And people wanting everyone vaccinated. I can’t really see how anyone else benefits at all or why Scots continue to put up with this toxic, sanctimonious garbage. Even cancelling Hogmanay doesn’t seem to have riled people up. Scotland the Brave? Scotland the Feart, more like.

288165 ▶▶▶ jb12, replying to The Mask Exempt Covid Marshall, 2, #793 of 1437 🔗

There is no opposition in Scotland, either within Holyrood or in the media, so the Scottish sheeple just baalieve whatever they hear on the Thinking Box. That and their ancestral hatred of the English means Stalin and the SNP can sway public opinion however they like.

288178 ▶▶ Dame Lynet, replying to Just about sane, 2, #794 of 1437 🔗

I hope not as my daughter is due to travel home to the Isle of Man on that day, her brother’s 21st birthday. She has already had to postpone it once.

My husband has had to rent a holiday let for two weeks due to our stupid bedwetting rules – his employer won’t let him work from home any longer and he has used up his leave for previous periods of house arrest. I will be under house arrest with the children until Christmas Eve.

Can’t risk breaking the roolz here as it’s real jail time.

288292 ▶▶▶ Just about sane, replying to Dame Lynet, #795 of 1437 🔗

I’m not making light of this or being sarcastic but are you really threatened with jail if you disobey this dictatorship? If so I would say I was surprised but after all this shit this year, I will shocked but not surprised any more. You have my deepest sympathy regarding those barbarian rules.

My brother drove up from Lincolnshire to celebrate my 60th in September and booked bed and breakfast because if he was found in my house and fined, he could be sacked from his job.

288185 ▶▶ annie, replying to Just about sane, 2, #796 of 1437 🔗

Amazon rules ok.

288217 ▶▶ Stuart, replying to Just about sane, 1, #797 of 1437 🔗

You haven’t seen Tier 6, yet.

288279 ▶▶ Ben, replying to Just about sane, 3, #798 of 1437 🔗

Planned destruction of the economy = the Great Reset

288115 Liam, replying to Liam, 23, #800 of 1437 🔗

Great to see the young ‘uns enjoying themselves in London yesterday. Live your lives boys and girls!

I think there’ll be mayhem on New Year’s Eve. I bloody well hope so to be honest. Will attacking Hogmanay finally stir a bit of resistance north of the border?

288131 ▶▶ Two-Six, replying to Liam, 17, #801 of 1437 🔗

New Years eve should see an end to this shit. Millions out in the streets. Fuck their bullshit socially distanced BBC production NHS worshipping under of the all seeing eye in London. I hope this year people make their own street parties. Like they used to do.

288124 giada bigetti, replying to giada bigetti, 36, #802 of 1437 🔗


Dear friends of Lockdown Sceptics, I thank you very much for your work and for your articles, most of which I am translating in italian. As you know, in Italy there is a very particular system for counting “covid deaths”: all positive are “covid deaths”!! And this by the same admission of the National Institute of Health. We have asked the Italian Parliament to set up a commission to investigate the real number of daily deaths caused by covid and the reliabilty of PCR test, since the state of emergency in Italy was extended on the basis of the alleged number of new positives. Still had no feedback. Why dont’ you write an article on how in our country the emergency is maintened through this system of labeling as death covid anyone who tests positive event if died for other reasons (ex. drowning) or diseases? this system does not risk altering covid mortality rate worldwide?
Best regards
Giada Bigetti

288157 ▶▶ calchas, replying to giada bigetti, 6, #803 of 1437 🔗

Benvenuto Giada.

Great to have you here.

Same story everyhere.

‘positive test’ in previous 28 days + death = died from covid

288184 ▶▶ annie, replying to giada bigetti, #804 of 1437 🔗

Salute!

288214 ▶▶ Stuart, replying to giada bigetti, #805 of 1437 🔗

Fake tests, fake cases and fake deaths. But jolly good lockdowns in preparation for next month’s Crashout.

288295 ▶▶ Ceriain, replying to giada bigetti, #806 of 1437 🔗

Hi Giada.

Lovely to have you here; welcome. 🙂

You could ask Toby, or Will, to look at your story by emailing them at lockdownsceptics@gmail.com

I’m sure they would both be keen to have a look.

288408 ▶▶ Marialta, replying to giada bigetti, #807 of 1437 🔗

Giada, why not email Toby Young or get in touch via Twitter to ask him to report on the Italian situation or better still, submit your own Postcard from Italy?

288595 ▶▶ Julian, replying to giada bigetti, #808 of 1437 🔗

I hear quite a bit about what’s happening in Italy from various sources and it all sounds terrible – worse than here. For a while after the first lockdown it seemed like Italy was taking a pragmatic approach – opening up again, not testing too much, because the economic consequences of more lockdowns were too grave.

Obviously the government lost their nerve in the face of what other European countries were doing.

What I know much less about is the degree of scepticism in Italy. Are there MPs or political parties opposed to lockdowns? Are there legal cases pending under human rights laws or violations of the constitution? Are there businesses or trade associations pressing for relaxation and a return to normal? Are there prominent sceptical journalists, newspapers or TV stations, business or media celebrities? Is there any kind of organised opposition, and where is it coming from? Are there sceptical websites you can post links to?

It would be good if you could address some of these questions and post here now and again with updates.

288671 ▶▶▶ Ben, replying to Julian, 2, #809 of 1437 🔗

Indeed, things are terrible in Italy. I fear there may be a revolution:

https://twitter.com/robinmonotti/status/1321785323676991489?s=20

288129 Cheshirecatslave, replying to Cheshirecatslave, 16, #810 of 1437 🔗

I was glad to be back at church. today despite the masks. They are fine about me being exempt. We were told it was “too dangerous” for members of the congregation to light Advent candles! I sang the hymns despite the viar warning that wasn’t allowed. Several others did too. It was announced we could sing carols socially distanced outside next week if we wished. I always am cautious about bugs because of health issues, but these measures are crazy. Several people were excited about the vaccine and puzzled I wanted to wait and see as they were convinced it is safe. We chatted normally after the service and I enjoyed getting out and the service.

My low point last week was being sent card from the USA with a picture of a cat in a mask on it! I love cats , but the very thought of masked cats makes me shudder!

288141 ▶▶ calchas, replying to Cheshirecatslave, 6, #811 of 1437 🔗

Not wearing a mask in such situations can be viewed as act of love towards your fellow man and woman.

They are thereby enabled to feel superior to you because of their ‘moral’ mask-wearing.

For virtue-signallining to yield maximum benefit the signaller needs someone to feel morally superior to.

It’s probably slightly frustrating if every other person is wearing a mask too.

288182 ▶▶▶ annie, replying to calchas, 8, #812 of 1437 🔗

The sight of massed nappied zombies in my former church was the most revolting thing I had ever seen.

288142 ▶▶ thinkaboutit, replying to Cheshirecatslave, 8, #813 of 1437 🔗

As if a cat would ever let you mask it. Shows their mentality. Glad you got to sing.

288151 ▶▶ calchas, replying to Cheshirecatslave, 12, #814 of 1437 🔗

I admire you for your ability to go there and be together with the *****.

Conformist sheep fill me with revulsion, when they adopt the shape of human beings.

I can just about manage to visit the supermarket for 25 minutes, and I always go at night.

288473 ▶▶▶ Cheshirecatslave, replying to calchas, #815 of 1437 🔗

They are nice people. I am wary of catching viruses in general due to health issues so understand that but I’m fiercely anti lockdown and crazy rules that make no sense.

288168 ▶▶ Dame Lynet, replying to Cheshirecatslave, 2, #816 of 1437 🔗

I believe it is unlicensed, merely has emergency authorisation and thus can’t have gone through the usual testing process – they may not be so keen if they were aware.

288463 ▶▶▶ Cheshirecatslave, replying to Dame Lynet, #817 of 1437 🔗

They are convinced it is safe as the authorities say so.

288189 ▶▶ Hugh, replying to Cheshirecatslave, 9, #818 of 1437 🔗

Things about as normal as they can be at our very much sceptical church. Large majority without masks.

In the sermon we were told that the restrictions of the last few weeks were “unjust”, that we must never get used to such a situation or accept it as normal, that we should pray that this never happens again. Perhaps we can agree on that at any rate.

288447 ▶▶▶ Cheshirecatslave, replying to Hugh, 1, #819 of 1437 🔗

I wish we had sermons like that, our vicar was grateful to be allowed to open the church for December. If I were She, I’d hold services in the church garden if I had to!

288209 ▶▶ Stuart, replying to Cheshirecatslave, 2, #820 of 1437 🔗

His Grace the Archbishop of Canterbury is nowhere to be found, seen or heard as the Church comes under sustained Covidista attack. AWOL, MIA.

288226 ▶▶▶ Waldorf, replying to Stuart, 2, #821 of 1437 🔗

The C of E – not noted historically for going against the tide, or the guvmint…

288275 ▶▶ Ben, replying to Cheshirecatslave, 2, #822 of 1437 🔗

Animal cruelty and human stupidity in a card

288452 ▶▶▶ Cheshirecatslave, replying to Ben, 1, #823 of 1437 🔗

I just hope it was photo shopped

288316 ▶▶ Nigel Sherratt, replying to Cheshirecatslave, 1, #824 of 1437 🔗

I assume you were spared the ‘kiss of peace’ so one silver lining at least.

288453 ▶▶▶ Cheshirecatslave, replying to Nigel Sherratt, #825 of 1437 🔗

Yes, we were, though it is handshakes in normal times.

288324 ▶▶ davews, replying to Cheshirecatslave, #826 of 1437 🔗

Zoom service this morning (which didn’t go well, lots of problems running the Zoom bit) but next week we are back in church for our monthly service which will be a communion one. Since choirs are now allowed in church our very small choir will be having a rehearsal where we will record some carols for the following week’s service. But our pianist is isolating so we will be singing to his pre-recorded bits. That service as well as being a carol service will also be a Christingle and we will all be given the bits to make Christingle oranges for use at that Zoom service. A long long way from the real thing of course.

Churches are struggling. My brother’s church up in Leicestershire had only around 8 there this morning. I don’t think we will have too many next week either, although people seem happy to go out shopping they are reluctant to go to church.

On New Year’s Day we are having a Zoom Soire. The other day James Leary posted a lovely Covid version of the Christmas story on here and I am proposing to use that as my contribution – I take it that will be OK James?

288460 ▶▶▶ Cheshirecatslave, replying to davews, #827 of 1437 🔗

I just hate zoom services and skip them, they feel like a parody of the real thing. We are having a real Christingle limited to 30 (plus children). We have a choir of 3 and guitar and piano. There were about 20 present but we are struggling too as we can’t hold fundraisers. I’ve created them some calendars to try to raise a little.

288145 Val France, replying to Val France, 21, #828 of 1437 🔗

How about this. My 91 year old Mum has to have a 3 monthly injection for Pernicious Anaemia, and it was done on Monday 30th November at Stirling community hospital. She was told that she would not be able to have this done any more as they would be ‘too busy’ with Covid vaccinations, and she must now do it herself. She was given a number of syringes and needles, hastily shown how to put them together and sent away despite her plea that she was partially sighted and did not feel able to do it. I thought the whole country had been shut down so that we could keep the frail alive, and that the NHS is a wonderful institution. Heavy Irony. Perhaps my Mum can find a junkie to help her with her next jab.

288211 ▶▶ Biker, replying to Val France, 3, #829 of 1437 🔗

Since Sturgeon has handed out millions of free needles to junkies it won’t be too hard to find a junkie lying around the gutter outside greggs

288450 ▶▶▶ Marialta, replying to Biker, 1, #830 of 1437 🔗

Biker You make me laugh. Just got back from Eastbourne town centre totally depressed. I saw One Face only the rest were masked. Long queues outside McDonalds all masked in open air. I need a drink now 😞

288249 ▶▶ Victoria, replying to Val France, 8, #831 of 1437 🔗

Absolutely shocking. More proof that its is now COVID only health service.

288289 ▶▶ Ceriain, replying to Val France, 6, #832 of 1437 🔗

‘too busy’

That’s fucking criminal!

So now we will have deaths with the vaccine, of the vaccine, and because of the vaccine (people scared to go for treatment, or being denied treatment).

288149 Adam, 4, #833 of 1437 🔗

Outrageous More evidence Britain needs a written constitution to guarantee our rights sovereignty and keep our government within the law

288158 Les Tricoteuses, replying to Les Tricoteuses, 20, #834 of 1437 🔗

It’s chilly here this morning and I could see my breath as I walked the dog which got me thinking. Fetched a mask out of the car, put it on and I could still see my breath! A bit reduced yes, but not greatly. Maybe someone more scientific than me could explain how water vapour can get through my mask but viral particles can’t.

288180 ▶▶ Steve Hayes, replying to Les Tricoteuses, 12, #835 of 1437 🔗

They know that masks do not prevent the transmission of the virus, but they assert it anyway, and anyone who dissents is guilty of spreading murderous misinformation and should be censored and criminalised.

288190 ▶▶▶ NappyFace, replying to Steve Hayes, 6, #836 of 1437 🔗

If you don’t wear a mask you are a terrorist criminal and should have all your property seized and given to Patriots who obey the rules and are willing to be terrified.

288205 ▶▶ Stuart, replying to Les Tricoteuses, 6, #837 of 1437 🔗

Very selfish of you, not to mask the dog first.

288271 ▶▶ Ben, replying to Les Tricoteuses, 4, #838 of 1437 🔗

And apparently, after half an hour, the mask will become a breeding ground for mold and bacteria thanks to warmth and humidity of the breath

288325 ▶▶▶ Les Tricoteuses, replying to Ben, 5, #839 of 1437 🔗

It’s ok the mask had been on the floor of my car for at least 3 weeks.

288280 ▶▶ Ceriain, replying to Les Tricoteuses, 3, #840 of 1437 🔗

I could still see my breath

Would be interesting to see if any of the masked notice this as the days get colder.

Maybe someone more scientific than me could explain how water vapour can get through my mask but viral particles can’t.

Because… ‘ the Science’. 😉

288332 ▶▶▶ Les Tricoteuses, replying to Ceriain, 5, #841 of 1437 🔗

I know I was a bit flippant there, but it’s a serious point. I did A level physics and would call myself an empirical sceptic who grew up with science. Since this all began I feel totally betrayed by ‘the science’

288600 ▶▶▶▶ Ceriain, replying to Les Tricoteuses, #842 of 1437 🔗

It IS a serious point; I totally agree with you. 🙂

288339 ▶▶ Dorian_Hawkmoon, replying to Les Tricoteuses, #843 of 1437 🔗

It’s so they can tell you are a heretic.

288163 Moomin, replying to Moomin, 29, #844 of 1437 🔗

So, the masked Bradford council covid testers knocked on the door offering a free test. I politely declined saying we’re immune to covipanic and they just left!

288203 ▶▶ Waldorf, replying to Moomin, 2, #845 of 1437 🔗

Good. It will be more worrying if they insist.

288204 ▶▶ Stuart, replying to Moomin, #846 of 1437 🔗

They’ve got your number, and any alias you’ll be living under. No escape from the Snot Patrol.

288244 ▶▶ Victoria, replying to Moomin, 1, #847 of 1437 🔗

Good!

Why oh why do they still want to test people without symptoms? Massive waste of taxpayers money

288301 ▶▶ Noumenon, replying to Moomin, #848 of 1437 🔗

You’re obviously covid+ then.

288166 Nick Rose, 2, #849 of 1437 🔗

Sounds like a lively Saturday afternoon in London yesterday. Run up to Christmas, who’d’ve thunk it, eh?

https://uk.news.yahoo.com/covent-garden-packed-revellers-lockdown-rules-105836411.html

Apparently Christmas shopping is selfish these days…

288167 Cheezilla, replying to Cheezilla, 16, #850 of 1437 🔗

London gridlocked by protesting Sikhs, using their cars to great advantage.
Police seem to be shepherding rather than menacing.

Way to go guys!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3sqBkAPcFq0

288176 ▶▶ annie, replying to Cheezilla, 10, #851 of 1437 🔗

They sikh them here, they sikh them there…

288179 ▶▶▶ Hugh, replying to annie, 1, #852 of 1437 🔗

Isn’t that from the Scarlet Pimpernel – or did they get it from somewhere else?

288419 ▶▶▶▶ annie, replying to Hugh, 2, #853 of 1437 🔗

Scarlet Pimpernel it is. It comes from a ditty made up by Sir Percy Blakeney, the idle aristocrat, ostensibly to mock at the heroic Scarlet Pimpernel, and so distract suspicion from Sir Percy, who is actually the alias of the Scarlet Pimpernel. (Are you still with me?)

They seek him here, they seek him there,
Those Frenchies seek him everywhere.
Is he in heaven, is he in hell,
That demned, elusive Pimpernel?

288733 ▶▶▶▶▶ CGL, replying to annie, #854 of 1437 🔗

Anthony Andrews was a brilliant Sir Percy

288183 ▶▶ sam, replying to Cheezilla, 6, #855 of 1437 🔗

forgive my ignorance but wahts happened to the Punjab farmers that they are protesting for?
Intereting to note they are allowed to protest without being stormed by riot police unlike the lockdown protestors!

288232 ▶▶▶ thinkaboutit, replying to sam, 1, #856 of 1437 🔗

Protesting in a car does give them some protection.

288207 ▶▶ Biker, replying to Cheezilla, 2, #857 of 1437 🔗

i hope they pay the fifty quid congestion charge

288323 ▶▶ mjr, replying to Cheezilla, 3, #858 of 1437 🔗

For info, protesting about issues with farmers back in the Punjab. They were blocking Aldwych which is where the Indian High Commission is located, so not unreasonable.

Fascinating to see the behaviour of the authorities. Plenty of police but the police are clearly being well behaved. Wonder why?

288340 ▶▶▶ RickH, replying to mjr, 1, #859 of 1437 🔗

You don’t have to think in any depth – they’re not challenging the establishment.

288451 ▶▶▶▶ Jonathan Palmer, replying to RickH, #860 of 1437 🔗

Two Tier policing by the Met as usual

288181 Joseph, replying to Joseph, 26, #861 of 1437 🔗

Telegraph off on one today. Now it’s Don’t talk while eating in restaurants, study warns
“Don’t talk while eating in restaurants, a study has warned, as it claims people can be infected by Covid-19 more than six metres away.
Diners should refrain from having “conversation during meals” as well as avoid “loud talking or shouting”, according to researchers in Korea.
Their study claims that people who are 6.5 metres apart can still infect each other, and the window of transmission can be as little as five minutes.”

A lot of absolute fucking nonsense today being printed along with the pathetic new polls saying 50% of people will still wear a mask after being vaccinated.

288199 ▶▶ Stuart, replying to Joseph, 3, #862 of 1437 🔗

Do they expect to survive being vaccinated?

288208 ▶▶ Liz F, replying to Joseph, 13, #863 of 1437 🔗

If people still want to wear masks, fine, they can inhale their own horse breath. Nutters.

288220 ▶▶ kh1485, replying to Joseph, 7, #864 of 1437 🔗

Better tell that to the shop full of people we have in right now 😉

288286 ▶▶ Kev, replying to Joseph, 10, #865 of 1437 🔗

If thats even remotely true – the 6.5m claim, why then do they need to stick a swab 2 feet down your nose to get a sample? Just stand maybe 3 feet away and hold up a swab, whilst wearing a hazmat suit of course.

288319 ▶▶▶ awildgoose, replying to Kev, 1, #866 of 1437 🔗

Right?

Similarly, why is it acceptable to just pitch out the flimsy disposable masks?

Aren’t they covered in Beer Flu?

288393 ▶▶ Alexander Kemal De Pfeffle Boris Johnson, replying to Joseph, #867 of 1437 🔗

Please stop posting this paywalled crap. Most of us aren’t stupid enough to give the Barclay Brothers our money, nor should you be.

288210 Cecil B, replying to Cecil B, 12, #868 of 1437 🔗

There is no need for a vaccine

A cure is already here

The Pig Dictator should supply everyone in the country with a scotch egg

It’s been debated in parliament and proved anyone eating a scotch egg is granted everlasting life. Why are we waiting?

Ok for some of the more vulnerable a second scotch egg and some pickle may be required but we can sort that

Turdgeon will be able to claim it was the Scots wot saved us, and the Rapists Dad can open the pubs again

I did post on here in early April that Scotch Eggs would be the key to this.

Or is it just a case of being ruled by fucking idiots

288221 ▶▶ Stuart, replying to Cecil B, #869 of 1437 🔗

Over this border it’s Welsh Rarebit. Scotch Eggs are banned.

288406 ▶▶▶ annie, replying to Stuart, #870 of 1437 🔗

Can’t have Welsh rarebit, it’s got beer in it. My version has, anyway.

288228 ▶▶ Biker, replying to Cecil B, 6, #871 of 1437 🔗

Sturgeon hasn’t got any Scotch eggs, either that or her soy boy husband fires blanks.

288247 ▶▶▶ IanE, replying to Biker, #872 of 1437 🔗

Wouldn’t you if faced by Wee Krankie?

288265 ▶▶▶▶ Biker, replying to IanE, #873 of 1437 🔗

Possibly but i’ll try anything once

288297 ▶▶▶▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to Biker, #874 of 1437 🔗

Two paper bags would help in her case.

288344 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ TheOriginalBlackPudding, replying to Nick Rose, #875 of 1437 🔗

And industrial grade ear defenders.

288345 ▶▶▶ TheOriginalBlackPudding, replying to Biker, 1, #876 of 1437 🔗

I’m sure I can smell lavender.

288410 ▶▶▶ GiftWrappedKittyCat, replying to Biker, #877 of 1437 🔗

Rumour has it that she has a secret girlfriend. If that’s true then I don’t know why she just doesn’t come out. It’s 2020 and homosexuality is widely accepted. Indeed, Turdgeon’s own party are always promoting LGBT rights.

288438 ▶▶▶▶ Matt The Cat, replying to GiftWrappedKittyCat, #878 of 1437 🔗

Rumour has it that she has a secret girlfriend”.

Like we’re not feeling nauseous enough, already! Are there ANY female Scottish politicians who are 100% “normal”? It seems not!

Who is it? Could be the “Davidson” thing. You never know – stranger things HAVE happened!

Excuse me while I vomit at that disturbing thought.

288575 ▶▶▶▶▶ GiftWrappedKittyCat, replying to Matt The Cat, #879 of 1437 🔗

She’s apparently a blonde so not Ruth Davidson but that’s all I know.

288222 Cheezilla, 1, #880 of 1437 🔗

Just spotted this headline.

How to Stop Catastrophizing: An Expert’s Guide
https://getpocket.com/explore/item/how-to-stop-catastrophizing-an-expert-s-guide?utm_source=pocket-newtab-global-en-GB

From the Grad. Irony clearly wasted on them!

288223 richard riewer, replying to richard riewer, 2, #881 of 1437 🔗

Mark Windows discussing modelling for climate change. Need a saticial, animated film of the computer models from Extinction Rebellion and Neil Fergusion, etc, slinking down a catwalk, with groovy music and a voiceover praising their false findings.

288224 ▶▶ richard riewer, replying to richard riewer, 1, #882 of 1437 🔗

Throw untested vaccines in the mix.

288230 MiriamW-sometimes-AlanG, replying to MiriamW-sometimes-AlanG, 21, #883 of 1437 🔗

Should we be worried that we came home from a lovely walk in actual sunshine (!) yesterday to find a card on the mat from a local undertaker? Apparently we can get a ‘Direct Cremation Funeral’ for £1400. Whoo-hoo! Assuming this wasn’t a sick joke courtesy of a local zealot (unlikely), local Funeral Directors seem to be touting for trade. But in ‘Tier 3’ High Peak everyone, but everyone is dropping dead. What’s going on?

On the way home, we spotted a former local Tory councillor. Out of the current and former Tory Councillors plus a (failed) Labour candidate we know, 4 out of 5 of them are sceptics. One of the Tories, a nice-but-dim guy is, or at least was a bedw dandelion. One of the others follows LS. Another of them breaks the ‘rules’ to see family.

Anyway, yesterday’s ex-councillor is late 70s and very bright. She was more than happy to stand right next to us to chat and she thinks it’s all very dodgy. She also told us that a lot of people she talks to round here feel the same. She was delivering her home-made Christmas Cards and I am willing to bet none of them featured a cat (or anyone else) wearing a face-nappy. 🙂

Yesterday, there were at least 5 of us bare-faced in Morrisons. There seemed to be much less outdoor nappy-wearing too, including a long, maskless and totally un-anti-socially-distanced queue outside the hardware shop which is usually Nappy Central. Glimmers of hope? We need to find a way to channel this opposition which it’s clear exists. MW p.s. the weather is back to normal today – wall-to-wall clag and drizzle.

288342 ▶▶ TheOriginalBlackPudding, replying to MiriamW-sometimes-AlanG, 4, #884 of 1437 🔗

I wonder whether they might offer BOGOF cremations (Burn One Get One Free)

288402 ▶▶ annie, replying to MiriamW-sometimes-AlanG, 1, #885 of 1437 🔗

‘direct cremation’?
What’s indirect cremation?

288459 ▶▶▶ TheOriginalBlackPudding, replying to annie, 2, #886 of 1437 🔗

I think it means cremation without a funeral service, cf ‘directly’ meaning forthwith. It’s just one more example of the torture of our language by corporate bullshit and marketing malapropism.

288237 Cecil B, replying to Cecil B, 16, #887 of 1437 🔗

Sikhs doing what we haven’t got the balls to do

288243 ▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Cecil B, 8, #888 of 1437 🔗

They’ll already have a good communications network. Ours is forming and becoming more efficient.

Good turnout in Manchester today. I’ve been enjoying watching the live feed. Great atmosphere but people got cold standing around at the rally. Still plenty marching. Police behaving themselves.

288276 ▶▶▶ Cecil B, replying to Cheezilla, #889 of 1437 🔗

link

288248 ▶▶ JohnB, replying to Cecil B, 14, #890 of 1437 🔗

That’s right, the difference is that the entire Sikh community has gone out today, it’s really well organised with people and cars to blocking up the streets.

288240 peyrole, replying to peyrole, 10, #891 of 1437 🔗

Wanted to share a couple of paras from ‘The dark flood rising’ a book by Margaret Drabble, one of the UK’s old ‘national treasure’ novelists. It perfectly sums up the sheer idiocy of the covid-19 mania.
” We can all expect to live longer, but its recently been claimed that the majority of us can expect to spend the last six years of our prolonged lives suffering from a serious illness, in some form of pain and ill health.
Fran found this statistic, true or false, infuriating. Longevity has fucked up our pensions, our work-life balance, our health services, our housing, our happiness, It’s fucked up old age itself.”

288264 ▶▶ Ben, replying to peyrole, 3, #892 of 1437 🔗

It’s that we are denied bodily autonomy (by the religious and the self projecting) and the choice to end our lives when the quality of life dips below what we consider acceptable

288303 ▶▶ watashi, replying to peyrole, #893 of 1437 🔗

I enjoyed that book. thank you

288241 JohnB, replying to JohnB, 4, #894 of 1437 🔗

I’ve noticed that Sky Sports are advertising the Anthony Joshua v Kubrat Pulev fight with loads of NHS logos and photos of NHS staff.

So, as you’d imagine with this terrible year and to say thank you to the NHS and the UK population for what they’ve had to endure Sky Sports would be showing his fight for free seeing as they are using the NHS as advertising, but alas no, you have to pay £24.95 if you want to watch the fight.

288258 ▶▶ Ben, replying to JohnB, 9, #895 of 1437 🔗

Stay safe doesn’t extend to punches to the head

288262 ▶▶ Biker, replying to JohnB, 4, #896 of 1437 🔗

Joshua thinks he’s Bruno but everyone liked Bruno because he was a real character, Joshua is duller than a bucket of window cleaners water.

288439 ▶▶▶ Jonathan Palmer, replying to Biker, #897 of 1437 🔗

I wonder how many takers for pay per view after he said black people should only shop in black owned businesses.

288498 ▶▶▶▶ Biker, replying to Jonathan Palmer, 2, #898 of 1437 🔗

it’s so depressing. Heavy Weight champion of the world should be someone special, not this dude who thinks he’s a role model and spouts ill thought out political nonsense. Dude is a wanker.

288263 ▶▶ Victoria, replying to JohnB, 6, #899 of 1437 🔗

Good thing that the old man (can’t remember his name), march up and down in his garden and collected sports much money for the NHS that they now use for advertising. Can’t make it up

What about all the other people that are dying due to a lack of care or some or other drug that NICE regards as too expensive?

288274 ▶▶▶ Ceriain, replying to Victoria, 3, #900 of 1437 🔗

This whole scam should be used to stop NICE using that argument in the future, if we ever get back to normal.

288245 Nick Rose, replying to Nick Rose, 17, #901 of 1437 🔗

Wakey, wakey!

(Artwork by Bob Moran, who else?)

288272 ▶▶ Two-Six, replying to Nick Rose, 4, #902 of 1437 🔗

Wake up its time for Strictly Dumb Dancing!

288246 Tenchy, replying to Tenchy, 6, #903 of 1437 🔗

Life without the lab flu, in Victoria, Australia (The Telegraph live feed, free, my emphasis):

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/global-health/science-and-disease/coronavirus-covid-news-pfizer-vaccine-uk-figures-deaths/

The Australian state of Victoria eased Covid-19 restrictions on Sunday after the country’s pandemic hotspot recorded 37 days without any new infections, moving towards a “Covid-safe” holiday season.

From midnight on Sunday (local time), up to 100 people will be able to attend public gatherings such as weddings, with density rules of one person per two square metres remaining in place, while 50pc of office workers will be able to return to workplaces by January 11, the state’s premier said.

“Today we can take some big steps, not to normal , but to a Covid-safe summer, (but) we all need to remain vigilant and we all need to play our part,” Premier Daniel Andrews said.

Masks will remain mandatory at indoor venues and on public and ride-share transport .

288254 ▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Tenchy, 3, #904 of 1437 🔗

100 people x 2 sq m each = !!!

288257 ▶▶ Ben, replying to Tenchy, 19, #905 of 1437 🔗

The biggest scam in human history

288267 ▶▶ godowneasy, replying to Tenchy, 4, #906 of 1437 🔗

So this is the new normal summer then.

288326 ▶▶ leggy, replying to Tenchy, 6, #907 of 1437 🔗

It’s summer in Oz FFS. Respiratory illnesses don’t do summer.

288540 ▶▶▶ Waldorf, replying to leggy, 1, #908 of 1437 🔗

Exactly. Which is why it has been going up in Europe as it gets colder, and it will go down in the spring. Lockdowns or not.

288382 ▶▶ GiftWrappedKittyCat, replying to Tenchy, 1, #909 of 1437 🔗

Why??? There’s been no new ‘cases’ in 37 days.

288422 ▶▶ Draper233, replying to Tenchy, 1, #910 of 1437 🔗

“remain vigilant”??? Err, how does that work for an invisible virus?

Andrews really is a monumental bell end.

288251 Mr Dee, 4, #911 of 1437 🔗

Dr. James Lyons-Weiler, in this excerpt from the Pennsylvania Medical Freedom Conference on October 22, 2020, shares his concerns about the forthcoming coronavirus vaccines – the skipping of trial phases, and how he finds the entire vaccination system “backward” and corrupt.
Dr. James Lyons-Weiler is the president and CEO of The Institute for Pure and Applied Knowledge and a research scientist with a PhD in Ecology, Evolution and Conservation in Biology, and a postdoctoral in Computational Molecular Biology from Penn State University.

https://dryburgh.com/james-lyons-weiler-coronavirus-vaccine-safety-warning/

288259 Tom Blackburn, 4, #912 of 1437 🔗
288268 Cheezilla, replying to Cheezilla, 9, #913 of 1437 🔗

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/dec/06/covid-19-vaccine-safety-message-vitally-important-uk-health-chief-says

Public health messaging that people can have faith in the safety of coronavirus vaccines is “vitally important”, the leader of the body that has approved the Pfizer jab has said.

No sh*t Sherlock!

Dr June Raine, the chief executive of the UK’s Medicines and Healthcare products Regulatory Agency (MHRA), said of the Pfizer treatment that there “should be no doubt whatever that this is a very safe and highly effective vaccine”.

…. On Sunday, Raine said the process of monitoring safety would continue, with scrutiny of the vaccine’s use in practice.
“It’s continuous, it’s real time, and we’ll be sharing any new information that comes to light,” she said. “But my overall message is that the safety profile of the Covid-19 vaccine is really no different from any other vaccine – might have a mild symptom, it will probably disappear in a day or two, and nothing at all of a serious nature, so you can be confident there.”

She also said that anyone having a flu jab should do so before having the coronavirus vaccine.

There’s your get-out clause!

288306 ▶▶ Dorian_Hawkmoon, replying to Cheezilla, 6, #914 of 1437 🔗

A rushed through vaccine using a new technique, injecting mRNA directly into people. Testing on the over 80s first on industrial scale and hope for the best. Maybe it will be fine (notwithstanding the obvious weak indication and risk/benefit) but the confidence is very odd sounding from a normally cautious body.

288333 ▶▶ RickH, replying to Cheezilla, 7, #915 of 1437 🔗

there “should be no doubt whatever that this is a very safe and highly effective vaccine””

A woman who can make that unscientific advertising statement, by definition, isn’t fit to be considered ‘independent’. THe credibility of the MHRA as a regulatory body can’t survive such partisanship.

288374 ▶▶▶ Ceriain, replying to RickH, 5, #916 of 1437 🔗

I would describe none of them as independent, especially Raine:

https://architectsforsocialhousing.co.uk/2020/11/25/bread-and-circuses-whos-behind-the-oxford-vaccine-for-covid-19/

Dr. June Raine is the Interim Chief Executive Officer of the Medicines and Healthcare products Regulatory Agency (MHRA) responsible for overseeing the safety of medicines used in the UK, including the COVID-19 vaccine. Despite its status as a executive agency of the Department of Health and Social Care, over the past decade the MHRA has received $7.15 million from the Bill & Melinda Gates Foundation ( BMGF ), which in June this year invested $1.6 billion in GAVI, the Global Alliance for Vaccines and Immunisation. Ten years ago in January 2010, the BMGF invested $10 billion in vaccine production as part of its call for a ‘Decade of Vaccines’.

However, Dr. June Raine’s association with the Bill & Melinda Gates Foundation is more than financial. In March 2015, she attended a lecture on ‘Global health changes and overcoming regulatory challenges’ delivered by Dr. Dan Hartman, Director of Integrated Development for the BMGF , at the tenth Annual Lecture. 6 months later, in September 2015, at a forum on ‘Real world evidence’ held by the Academy of Medical Sciences and the Association of the British Pharmaceutical Industry, Dr. Raine stated that, as regulation becomes increasingly proactive in planning active surveillance, ‘the world of reactive regulation is the world of the past’.

Last year, Dr. Raine claimed £5,035.69 in expenses to attend a BMGF meeting regarding the Smart Safety Surveillance (3S) project in Seattle. In the same year, the MHRA received a grant worth £292,000 from the Bill & Melinda Gates Foundation . Two years before that, in 2017, Dr. Raine’s predecessor as Chief Executive Officer of the MHRA, Dr. Ian Hudson, received £980,000 from the BMGF , before leaving in September 2019 to join the Foundation as Senior Advisor, Regulatory Affairs, Integrated Development, Global Health. The Office of the Advisory Committee on Business Appointments found ‘no particular risk of impropriety’ in this revolving door between a senior civil servant in a regulatory government agency funded by global investors in vaccines and a full-time, paid role in with the same investors.

288417 ▶▶▶▶ Ben, replying to Ceriain, 2, #917 of 1437 🔗

Acid rain

288373 ▶▶ GiftWrappedKittyCat, replying to Cheezilla, #918 of 1437 🔗

Just out of interest, does anyone know what the ingredients of the flu vaccine are? Someone listed the covid vaccine ingredients yesterday I think and it would be interesting to compare them.

288399 ▶▶ annie, replying to Cheezilla, #919 of 1437 🔗

‘highly effective’?
What effect? It doesn’t stop transmission, for a start.

288269 Country Mumkin, replying to Country Mumkin, 20, #920 of 1437 🔗

I think the reason Facebook is penalising vaccine communication is to avoid talk of side effects and deaths when the vaccine is administered.

288372 ▶▶ JohnB, replying to Country Mumkin, 2, #921 of 1437 🔗

It’s more likely to be because they will soon be liable to huge fines which all Govs are soon to impose. They’ve more than likely already been told this which is why they are currently implementing this.

288411 ▶▶▶ Ben, replying to JohnB, #922 of 1437 🔗

But who’s imposing this on governments?

288435 ▶▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to Ben, #923 of 1437 🔗

They are all just following suit, they can all pretty much get away with anything the want now.

288270 Ceriain, replying to Ceriain, 12, #924 of 1437 🔗

You are all aware, of course, than none of this is real?

We are all actually living in the Matrix ; difference being that, instead of living in a ‘ normal ‘ world (like in the film), the ‘ Architect ‘ based this world on all the episodes of Black Mirror , rolled into one.

288317 ▶▶ Richard O, replying to Ceriain, 8, #925 of 1437 🔗

The article above the line by philosophy lecturer comparing the public figures who are tormenting and humiliating us to pantomime actors hints at the surreal nature of what we have observed in 2020.

I often wonder if we are being tested. Everything is so obviously and absurdly false and evil that if people still insist on choosing this abomination of life then they deserve to be destroyed.

288296 Fingerache Philip., replying to Fingerache Philip., 19, #926 of 1437 🔗

Christmas market in Nottingham shut down after 24 hours because of “SHOCKING” lack of social distancing: Mail on line.
What ever happened to fair and unbiased reporting?

288322 ▶▶ leggy, replying to Fingerache Philip., 18, #927 of 1437 🔗

Just listened to it on the radio – closed for being too successful! People just want normality and the killjoys stop it at every turn. We will only get out of this when traders say en mass, that enough is enough and carry on regardless.

288327 ▶▶▶ Richard O, replying to leggy, 20, #928 of 1437 🔗

All part of the psychological warfare to disorient and demoralise us. Yesterday Johnson and Khan encourage people to get out and support their local businesses, today this. Traders need to revolt en masse as you say, otherwise they will not be traders for much longer.

288370 ▶▶▶▶ Cecil B, replying to Richard O, 5, #929 of 1437 🔗

The real scum are environmental health officers

288302 Jonathan Smith, replying to Jonathan Smith, 53, #930 of 1437 🔗

A few hundred of us gathered today in Piccadilly Gardens in Manchester in protest at the continuing infringement on our rights and freedoms.

There were police around the edges of crowd and police on horse back dotted around here and there. A drone was observing from above. However, there was no heavy handedness from GMP in contrast to London and no attempt made to enforce masks.

Seemed like a mixed bunch, saw families with small children, a “Feminists Against Lockdown” posse, Jewish fellas wearing Kippahs, a massive Union Jack and lots carrying signs hoping to defeat the lockdown with love.

Three of us will be getting out soon to leaflet/sticker our localities.

288305 ▶▶ Fingerache Philip., replying to Jonathan Smith, 9, #931 of 1437 🔗

Best of luck.

288309 ▶▶ Liam, replying to Jonathan Smith, 8, #932 of 1437 🔗

Well done.

288320 ▶▶ wendy, replying to Jonathan Smith, 8, #933 of 1437 🔗

Hi Jonathan, I just posted about it as well. Counting has never been my strong point so I have perhaps over estimated with 3000!! Wish I had been able to meet up with you.

288418 ▶▶▶ Jonathan Smith, replying to wendy, 1, #934 of 1437 🔗

Hi Wendy – Yes wish I’d known. I met up with two others from here. A few of us are in regular contact, going for walks etc. PM me if you’d like to join us some time or email: jonathan.smith@planetmail.com

288343 ▶▶ calchas, replying to Jonathan Smith, 3, #935 of 1437 🔗

“A drone was observing from above”

A society of drones,

288392 ▶▶ annie, replying to Jonathan Smith, 2, #936 of 1437 🔗

Fantastic, go it!

288822 ▶▶ dhid, replying to Jonathan Smith, 1, #937 of 1437 🔗

Three of us will be getting out soon to leaflet/sticker our localities.”

Seems like a good plan!

288312 Liam, replying to Liam, 46, #938 of 1437 🔗

Can you breathe through your mask?

Yes/No.

If “Yes”: Then it doesn’t work, take it off.

If “No”: Take it off.

Hope that helps.

288363 ▶▶ Les Tricoteuses, replying to Liam, 9, #939 of 1437 🔗

I sometimes wear a mask at work, it’s PPE for hazardous particles, it’s made of silicone rubber with two filters similar to car air filters and crucially has valves so your exhaled breath doesn’t go back through the filters and make them wet and ineffective. Hell of a lot easier to breathe through than cheap covid ones but I still minimise my time with it on.

288448 ▶▶▶ Lockdown_Lunacy, replying to Les Tricoteuses, 2, #940 of 1437 🔗

I sometimes have to do the same. The fit test for it involves running on the spot and doing all sorts of movements while having a pungent substance sprayed at you. If you can smell the substance the mask does not work for you and you cannot wear that particular model/size. It has to be repeated periodically.

Cloth masks are a waste of time.

288467 ▶▶ Sam Vimes, replying to Liam, 1, #941 of 1437 🔗

Handy government guidance:

How to wear a face covering
A face covering should:

  • cover your nose and mouth while allowing you to breathe comfortably
  • fit comfortably but securely against the side of the face
  • be secured to the head with ties or ear loops
  • be made of a material that you find to be comfortable and breathable , such as cotton…
288608 ▶▶▶ Silke David, replying to Sam Vimes, #942 of 1437 🔗

Saw a mask for sale today with 7! layers.
How can anyone breathe through that?

288819 ▶▶▶ dhid, replying to Sam Vimes, #943 of 1437 🔗

I like breathing, that’s why I don’t wear a mask.

288313 wendy, 65, #944 of 1437 🔗

Hello everyone,

I went to the Manchester anti lockdown protest today. Meeting place was Piccadilly Gardens. There may have been may be 3000 there. All types of people, all clothes from smart to alternative, all ages, all colours and all dogs and children. We made plenty of noise and it was good to be amongst normal people, chatting and not fearful.

Manchester City centre, particularly Market street and the shops around are packed with Christmas shoppers which is very encouraging. Perhaps about 80% unmasked in the street. It’s lively with buskers and street stalls too. If there are people desperate for a vaccination to make them feel safe I didn’t pick up that feeling. People seemed relaxed and happy to be in the city.

288336 Cecil B, replying to Cecil B, 25, #945 of 1437 🔗

Fantastic demo from the Sikhs. The Met completely caught off guard and panicking

Even thought the crowd is good natured the police are shitting themselves and too scared to act with their usual bully boy tactics

No TSG, all Christmas shopping or stuck in traffic

Kept secret. This the future

Mrs Dick will be on the carpet in front of Priti in the morning

https://youtu.be/ruz9o2QbRPM

288351 ▶▶ Cecil B, replying to Cecil B, 13, #946 of 1437 🔗

Police vans stuck in the traffic unable to discharge their cargoes of hate

288365 ▶▶ PoshPanic, replying to Cecil B, 4, #947 of 1437 🔗

Brilliant!

288377 ▶▶ G.Fawkes, replying to Cecil B, 9, #948 of 1437 🔗

Looks like Dick’s Incredible Virtue Signalling Circus Pigs are suffering some serious congnitive dissonance.

288387 ▶▶ annie, replying to Cecil B, 7, #949 of 1437 🔗

Sikhs are Effnick and so, presumably, untouchable.
Go it, Sikhs!

288813 ▶▶ dhid, replying to Cecil B, #950 of 1437 🔗

I liked all the Sikhs I have met – these seem pretty good too!

288341 Eddy, replying to Eddy, 12, #951 of 1437 🔗

I wonder if “killed by vaccination” will be enthusiastically applied to death certificates?

288362 ▶▶ JohnB, replying to Eddy, 7, #952 of 1437 🔗

Won’t they test positive for COVID as they’ve been infected with it? So more COVID deaths!

288533 ▶▶ Suzyv, replying to Eddy, 3, #953 of 1437 🔗

Prof Dolores Cahill said that if you know anyone whom you think most likely died as a result of the vaccine insist upon an autopsy. Apparently the lungs present differently if it’s vaccine damage. Otherwise lets face it, it will be added to the Covid figures. Also she made the comment- we may see a lot more Sepsis cases (very often results in death) Jan,Feb,March etc due to the vaccine.

288348 Liam, replying to Liam, 30, #954 of 1437 🔗

October 2019, 46,238 deaths recorded in England and Wales.

October 2020: 46,296 deaths recorded in England and Wales.

If only we’d locked down earlier.

288369 ▶▶ Les Tricoteuses, replying to Liam, #955 of 1437 🔗

Are these official ONS figures?

288396 ▶▶▶▶ Les Tricoteuses, replying to Liam, 3, #957 of 1437 🔗

Thanks, I love this sort of ammo when talking to people who are brainwashed. It’s great to say to them “but it’s the governments own figures”

288383 ▶▶ Richard Pinch, replying to Liam, -6, #958 of 1437 🔗

First three weeks of November 2019: 10,697+10,650+10,882
First three weeks of November 2020: 11,812+12,254+12,535

288412 ▶▶▶ calchas, replying to Richard Pinch, 7, #959 of 1437 🔗

These comparisons are increasingly muddied, as all cause mortality starts to increase from missed cancer screenings and operations, and social isolation

288548 ▶▶▶▶ Richard Pinch, replying to calchas, -5, #960 of 1437 🔗

These comparisons are increasingly muddied

They are indeed. I hope that everyone who “loves this sort of ammo” will remember that point too.

288568 ▶▶▶▶▶ RickH, replying to Richard Pinch, 7, #961 of 1437 🔗

I actually agree. So lets stick to useful context – the key outcome of which is the basic fact that Covid is a very ordinary virus with consequences entirely within the normal range of such- not an unprecedented disaster.

The disaster has clearly been the political response.

That’s the factual basis of any conversation that goes beyond bullshit.

288494 ▶▶▶ Draper233, replying to Richard Pinch, 5, #962 of 1437 🔗

Putting aside the circa 1000 non-covid excess deaths that are occurring in the home every week, if any excess can be attributed to Covid-19 in November, it is due to the north of England now experiencing a second ripple which was slowed by lockdown policies earlier in the year.

This is borne out by latest ONS stats that have mortality in Yorkshire/The Humber and the NW at 41.3% and 38.4% above the 5-year average respectively . This is in stark contrast to the SW, East and SE that are just 3.7%, 6.7% and 6.8% above the average respectively .

This supports the sceptic argument that all lockdown policies do is kick the can down the road, whilst at the same time causing devastating consequences for lives, businesses and civil liberties.

288553 ▶▶▶▶ Richard Pinch, replying to Draper233, -6, #963 of 1437 🔗

if any excess can be attributed to Covid-19 in November, it is due to the north of England

People who die in the North of England are just as dead as people who die elsewhere. Either there isn’t an excess or there is.

all lockdown policies do is kick the can down the road,

It may surprise you to know that simple modelling largely supports that position.

288649 ▶▶▶▶▶ Draper233, replying to Richard Pinch, #964 of 1437 🔗

But, hang on. There wasn’t an excess at all in October. How is that remotely possible in the midst of a so-called dangerous pandemic? I’ve yet to hear an answer from anyone on the zealot side to explain this. And, as you’ve done, they just gloss over it and jump to November where the figures are more convenient.

And, yes, deaths in the north are just as sad as anywhere else, but the point i’m making is that whether we locked down or didn’t, the “dry tinder” (horrible term) were always going to be susceptible at some point. These deaths would have most likely occurred in the spring if we hadn’t locked down. So effectively it is still the same “first wave”, but just delayed due to lockdown policy.

288693 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Richard Pinch, replying to Draper233, -1, #965 of 1437 🔗

How is that remotely possible in the midst of a so-called dangerous pandemic?

A good question, and one I don’t claim to know the answer to. Nonetheless, in early September all the figures started to show an upward trend, followed by deaths about three or four weeks later, as one might expect.

288705 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Draper233, replying to Richard Pinch, #966 of 1437 🔗

And, if true, those upticks in September would have then led to excess deaths in October no? That’s only if, of course, it actually is a dangerous pandemic and not just hysteria.

288729 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Richard Pinch, replying to Draper233, #967 of 1437 🔗

those upticks in September would have then led to excess deaths in October no?

The various figures for infections started to rise at the beginning of September, and the rise was sustained through September and October. So most the cases were occurring in October, feeding through into deaths in November.

288763 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Draper233, replying to Richard Pinch, #968 of 1437 🔗

But the PCR is not diagnostic and we are now in the flu season so it was inevitable that cases and deaths would increase from October anyway.

288557 ▶▶▶▶ Richard Pinch, replying to Draper233, -6, #969 of 1437 🔗

the circa 1000 non-covid excess deaths that are occurring in the home every week

What would be the basis for that? I agree that there was a clear spike in non-Covid excess deaths around April, but every week?

288562 ▶▶▶▶▶ RickH, replying to Richard Pinch, 1, #970 of 1437 🔗

‘excess deaths’ – a nonsense term, even when used by reputable scientists like Carl Heneghan.

288654 ▶▶▶▶▶ Draper233, replying to Richard Pinch, 1, #971 of 1437 🔗

You’re welcome to view the ONS stats yourself:

https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunity/birthsdeathsandmarriages/deaths/bulletins/deathsregisteredweeklyinenglandandwalesprovisional/weekending20november2020

If you download the data for “deaths by place of occurrence”, you can see excess deaths for every week since March.

288695 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Richard Pinch, replying to Draper233, -3, #972 of 1437 🔗

Those figures do not remotely support the claim of “ circa 1000 non-covid excess deaths that are occurring in the home every week”

288716 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Draper233, replying to Richard Pinch, 2, #973 of 1437 🔗

On the contrary.

The ONS have recorded 34,663 excess deaths in the home between weeks 11-47, of which only 3,022 have been attributed to Covid.

The non-Covid average is therefore 855 per week, so not sure what you’re disputing as I said “circa 1000”.

Of course, you may come to a different conclusion about how to interpret the figures, but then you need to present the case.

288737 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Richard Pinch, replying to Draper233, #974 of 1437 🔗

Thanks, I think we’ve been talking about different things. The overall excess figure has been close to zero from mid-May to mid-October. However, as you correctly point out, the figures for home deaths are showing an excess of the order of 1000/week over the average for home deaths roughly balanced for the period I mention by a deficit of a similar order for hospital deaths.

288758 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Draper233, replying to Richard Pinch, 1, #975 of 1437 🔗

And an opponent of mine might surmise that the excess home deaths may ordinarily have happened in hospital, but they won’t do this because a) it would be an admission that the NHS has primarily been and continues to be a Covid-only service, and b) it therefore follows that many of these deaths may have been preventable if treatment had been available.

288770 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Richard Pinch, replying to Draper233, #976 of 1437 🔗

excess home deaths may ordinarily have happened in hospital

That’s a very plausible explanation, and I’m not inclined to oppose it. All one can say looking at the figures is that there is something there to investigate. If you look at David Spiegelhalter’s graph https://twitter.com/d_spiegel/status/1333797020801191940/photo/1 it shows a clear non-Covid excess mortality in April/May, possibly also connected to NHS non-treatment.

288807 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Draper233, replying to Richard Pinch, #977 of 1437 🔗

Spiegelhalter has taken the ONS conclusion, which is that excess deaths are always attributed to Covid-19 first and foremost. I find this implausible.

Many Covid-positive patients in hospital have serious underlying health conditions which ultimately may have caused their demise, not Covid.

Conversely we have many excess deaths in the home, so it is reasonable to assume that if these people were hospitalised, many would have received treatment to prevent them dying (at least for a while).

All theoretical of course, but either way, the cause of excess deaths is far more complex than just attributing them to Covid.

288558 ▶▶▶ RickH, replying to Richard Pinch, 1, #978 of 1437 🔗

So? You’re surely not that statistically illiterate re. short-term variation?

288569 ▶▶▶▶ Richard Pinch, replying to RickH, -4, #979 of 1437 🔗

A comment which I’m sure you will address equally to the original poster and those who “ love this sort of ammo”.

288350 theanalyst, replying to theanalyst, 21, #980 of 1437 🔗

The Daily Mail and The Sun are, in my opinion, quite nasty and racist with their attacks on young gypsies outside Harrods. This would / could not have happened 12 months ago. And they have kept the divisive story going all day.

Comments are quite appalling. The below is something I just pulled off facebook, and has been written by someone I know whose wedding planning business has been destroyed since March by the UK government. Instead of blaming the government, she is targeting these youngsters.

Here is what she says…

“This makes me so angry… How ignorant, selfish and downright irresponsible are every one of these people, young or not! Why should we follow the rules and suffer the consequences of these Covidiots? Lock London down and every City that allows this to happen! Penalise them, fine them, arrest them if you have to, I’m getting to the end of my tether! comment image

Shame on these newspapers for doing the governments work and obscuring the real enemy.

288353 ▶▶ Richard O, replying to theanalyst, 16, #981 of 1437 🔗

If that commenter is a real person (remember there is a good chance that they are not) then they deserve to burn in hell. The good news is that they are only a couple of injections away from doing so.

288356 ▶▶ Liam, replying to theanalyst, 5, #982 of 1437 🔗

She loves her captors. I’ve got “I wish I was in Stockholm Syndrome.” She’s got the original version.

288357 ▶▶ Two-Six, replying to theanalyst, 3, #983 of 1437 🔗

Load of people think like this.

288385 ▶▶▶ annie, replying to Two-Six, 5, #984 of 1437 🔗

Not people. Malevolent zombies. The flesh-eating, spirit-destroying Undead.

288420 ▶▶▶▶ Two-Six, replying to annie, 9, #985 of 1437 🔗

I saw young woman yesterday in the street, with a visor on. Smiling like there was noting at all wrong with the world, perfectly happy. The shock still hasn’t worn off yet with me. It was just mind blowing. I have avoided most of the maskers in the town centre at peak times so this was like a kick in the pants.

What that actual flip is this woman thinking. Insane.

288526 ▶▶▶▶▶ Biker, replying to Two-Six, 10, #986 of 1437 🔗

Maybe she was a welder and had just nipped out for a cheese roll from the bakers before she nips back to finish of the sills on a 1980’s Capri and was feeling rather pleased with herself.

288609 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ dhid, replying to Biker, 1, #987 of 1437 🔗

Unlikely – there was no rust on my 80s Capri cills – at least not in the 80s……

288718 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Bill h, replying to Biker, #988 of 1437 🔗

Plausible but unlikely 🙂

288364 ▶▶ PoshPanic, replying to theanalyst, 4, #989 of 1437 🔗

This seems to be all too common amongst some business owners, though I have a feeling it’s now becoming a shrinking minority. It really beggars belief.

288368 ▶▶ G.Fawkes, replying to theanalyst, 10, #990 of 1437 🔗

I’m glad they pissed her off so much. It doesn’t look like a single one of those youngsters would give a flying fuck what she says. And nor do I! Hahahahahahaha.

288380 ▶▶ Ben, replying to theanalyst, 3, #991 of 1437 🔗

Lest we forget the Nazi’s ‘Romani Genocide’. A Holocaust. Possibly 1.5m victims.

And the Daily Mail’s own history too

288403 ▶▶ calchas, replying to theanalyst, 4, #992 of 1437 🔗

Divide and rule as we saw with Leicester – implicitly blaming Asians.

288520 ▶▶ Biker, replying to theanalyst, 4, #993 of 1437 🔗

I bet they’d be super nice to the Gypsy King

288628 ▶▶ dhid, replying to theanalyst, 3, #994 of 1437 🔗

This probably won’t be popular but…

1) Obviously I don’t give a shit they weren’t masked, but,

2) Coming from an area where the travelling “community” turns up most summers, parks on private property, leaves crap and scrap cars behind and causes the crime rate (mostly conning elderly people with distraction whilst another nips in and nicks a purse or anything they can flog) I’m afraid I couldn’t give a shit if people don’t like them. I don’t.

They are lawless in a fairly big way so I don’t give a flying….

Probably get lots of down votes now, but just saying…..

edit – Oh by the way as a kid a pair of them in a van tried to entice me to get in – draw your own conclusions – it was something parents told their kids not to do – it was a known problem where some had been “re-homed” in new Council Houses near where I lived after they had been remove from heathland to allow houses to be built. One of the grandmothers used to crap in the front garden as she couldn’t get used to toilets. Utter charmers as neighbours – not!

288366 Liz F, replying to Liz F, 26, #995 of 1437 🔗

Hideous full page NHS ad in today’s Telegraph shows an elderly lady sitting by a window while a man – her son? – opens the window to let in the freezing air, while a weird snot green cloud, a bit like The Blob, makes its way obligingly out of the window. So apparently the message is to let granny die of hypothermia then she won’t need a vaccine.

288394 ▶▶ Two-Six, replying to Liz F, 16, #996 of 1437 🔗

Green psy-op miasma made real. These bastards. This image of green covid shit spraying out of peoples faces, sticking to things they touch, wafting like clouds of radioactive waste around people, floating out of windows.

It it THIS imagery more than anything else that has damaged so many minds beyond repair. Just EVIL.

288427 ▶▶▶ Liz F, replying to Two-Six, 7, #997 of 1437 🔗

Exactly. I’m surprised they didn’t give the miasma a pair of red horns, a pointy beard and a forked tail.

288446 ▶▶▶▶ annie, replying to Liz F, 6, #998 of 1437 🔗

That’s their own uniform.

288764 ▶▶▶ Mabel Cow, replying to Two-Six, #999 of 1437 🔗

There’s even a government public service video to explain in great detail how we can “keep coronavirus at bay” by opening our windows.

I missed it when it came out on 2020-11-18 and I don’t know how I’ve stayed alive this long without implementing its profound wisdom.

288471 ▶▶ Paul, replying to Liz F, 3, #1000 of 1437 🔗

Great idea,scare the elderly into leaving windows open,could be a bumper Xmas for burglars this year.
I’ve complained to the ASA about the ad,I don’t suppose it will make any difference.

288478 ▶▶ stefarm, replying to Liz F, 4, #1001 of 1437 🔗

Maybe it’s a fart.

288513 ▶▶▶ Liz F, replying to stefarm, #1002 of 1437 🔗

Ah, of course. Too many Brussel sprouts, bread sauce and stuffing. Lethal.

288515 ▶▶ Margaret, replying to Liz F, 5, #1003 of 1437 🔗

Love point three from Julia!

Julia Hartley-Brewer (@JuliaHB1) Tweeted: I have so many issues with this Government advert:
1. Is it a good idea to leave windows open in December & leave grandma to freeze to death & easy prey for burglars?
2. Who is this man?
3. If he cares so much, could he please buy her new net curtains that aren’t torn to shreds? https://t.co/4tG5Bpv4HP
https://twitter.com/JuliaHB1/status/1335518696635330561?s=20

288378 Freecumbria, replying to Freecumbria, 7, #1004 of 1437 🔗

Here’s my latest English hospital covid-19 deaths chart by date of death, based on the 7 day running average. Allowance is made for deaths which have occurred but not been reported (based on previous trends).

These are deaths labelled as covid, most of these currently are likely to be people dying in hospital with a positive test for SARS-C0V-2 rather than dying from covid-19.

This caveat aside, the graph shows that deaths peaked for the 7 day period centred on 25th November.

For deaths from covid-19 there is roughly a 22 day lag between infection and death. As a result the data gives good evidence that fatal ‘infections’ peaked around 3rd November i.e before the second lockdown.

Importantly this is consistent with the Zoe symptom study. Tim Spector tweeted on 3rd November BEFORE lockdown and before the lockdown vote “More good news as the Zoe CSS app survey continues to show a plateauing and slight fall in new cases in England, Wales and Scotland with an R of 1.0 – cases still increasing in the south from a lower base.” This deaths data backs up that tweet.

288389 ▶▶ Freecumbria, replying to Freecumbria, 7, #1005 of 1437 🔗

And here’s the deaths growth rate implied by that chart. You can see how it has now turned negative reflecting that the peak is behind us.

288428 ▶▶▶ peyrole, replying to Freecumbria, 4, #1006 of 1437 🔗

its useful to show the rate of death curve as a log curve. It clearly shows how the lockdowns etc have had no effect on the curve at all. It shows the virus doing what virus do.

288455 ▶▶▶▶ Will, replying to peyrole, 1, #1007 of 1437 🔗

Why does a virus follow a log curve peyrole ? Is it what it does until it runs out of hosts because it has either killed them or they have become immune?

288466 ▶▶▶▶ Freecumbria, replying to peyrole, 2, #1008 of 1437 🔗

A logarithmic plot shows a straight line on the way down off the first peak, showing a constant percentage decline, implying lockdowns don’t work

I think some people struggle with logarithmic curves which is why I sometimes avoid them. The equivalent point with my chart is the remarkably constant decline between the end of April and mid August; it never goes above 0% (so declining throughout) and the decline over that period is within quite a constant narrow band.

288401 ▶▶ Will, replying to Freecumbria, 3, #1009 of 1437 🔗

I thought the infection to death lag had been stretched out to 28 days. Zoe and the ONS had the peak of infections in the weekend the 23rd, ONS was 9.52/10000 that week, iirc. Thank you for all your efforts with the data, btw, it is a goldmine of information.

288416 ▶▶▶ Freecumbria, replying to Will, 1, #1010 of 1437 🔗

Yes, 22 days might be understating it a bit. If it’s 28 days then ‘infections’ peaked a further 6 days earlier than 3rd November.

Have you seen any recent data on the current ‘infection’ to death lag period?

288444 ▶▶▶▶ Will, replying to Freecumbria, 2, #1011 of 1437 🔗

I haven’t, but the standard lag seems to have been put at 28 days by many commentators, it would be interesting to see if Professor Wood has revised his view that the peak in March was on the 18th. I don’t believe the extent of the ONS/ Zoe infection numbers but I do think the trend has been fairly accurate throughout this business. The thing is though, 22 days or 28 days is still ahead of lockdown in March and November…

288483 ▶▶▶▶▶ Freecumbria, replying to Will, 3, #1012 of 1437 🔗

Agreed and interesting.

For the from covid-19 deaths there is a studied timeline from infection to symptoms to hospitalisation to death, and accordingly a probability distribution from ‘infection’ to death centred around a 22-28 days lag based on our estimates.

But the other problem is that for the incidental SARS-C0V-2 deaths which are likely to be the majority we don’t know what the time lag is from infection to death. But if someone wants to say that materially invalidates the calculation, they have to then accept that many of the deaths are with covid not from covid.

288486 ▶▶ stefarm, replying to Freecumbria, #1013 of 1437 🔗

Any idea how this compares with 2019 flu deaths?

288551 ▶▶ RickH, replying to Freecumbria, #1014 of 1437 🔗

These are deaths labelled as covid”

This is the point. We really shouldn’t endorse the inaccurate data.

288571 ▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to RickH, 1, #1015 of 1437 🔗

It’s all we’ve got. We know the numbers are inflated and yet they still show the official “problem” isn’t a problem.

288379 Les Tricoteuses, replying to Les Tricoteuses, 5, #1016 of 1437 🔗

If life becomes impossible without a vaccine certificate I wonder what the status will be of those who’ve had covid.

288391 ▶▶ Ben, replying to Les Tricoteuses, 3, #1017 of 1437 🔗

Which coronavirus exactly?

288405 ▶▶▶ Two-Six, replying to Ben, 9, #1018 of 1437 🔗

The deadly blue one with the spikey little arms and the teeth

288430 ▶▶▶ Les Tricoteuses, replying to Ben, 4, #1019 of 1437 🔗

It’s a serious point though because natural immunity should be better than mRNA induced. So therefore I’d hope they would be exempt from it

288436 ▶▶▶▶ Richard O, replying to Les Tricoteuses, 3, #1020 of 1437 🔗

It is going to be effectively mandatory worldwide. Natural immunity is utterly irrelevant.

288477 ▶▶▶▶▶ Les Tricoteuses, replying to Richard O, 1, #1021 of 1437 🔗

Feck, that’s my new years plan out the window then

288688 ▶▶▶▶ Ben, replying to Les Tricoteuses, 1, #1022 of 1437 🔗

Of course natural immunity would be better, but Pharma can’t make money from that and tech companies can’t enslave us with immunity passports.

But there are at least four different coronaviruses including the common cold, so I wonder which particular one these ‘tests’ pick up

This is a fundamental attack on our freedoms and health

288381 Will, replying to Will, 19, #1023 of 1437 🔗

The Zoe app confirms the good news from the ONS. The virus is burning out and will be gone by the middle of January. The twats will probably have another lockdown so they can claim credit for “beating” the virus but I am not sure even the profits of doom could make up the numbers to justify it.

288397 ▶▶ Julian, replying to Will, 11, #1024 of 1437 🔗

I imagine there will be another lockdown because they won’t be able to roll out enough vaccine to give them cover for it disappearing

288404 ▶▶▶ Richard O, replying to Julian, 8, #1025 of 1437 🔗

We have already been told that we will be punished for five days of “freedom” over Xmas with another lockdown in January.

Vaccine injuries and deaths, naturally to be reclassified as Covid cases and deaths, will then start to kick in towards the end of Lockdown 3.

288409 ▶▶▶ Will, replying to Julian, 7, #1026 of 1437 🔗

Or, quite possibly, enough takers, so they will lock us up again. The teachers who used collective punishment at school were always the biggest c’nts.

288415 ▶▶ Jonathan Palmer, replying to Will, 7, #1027 of 1437 🔗

Testing will be ramped up after Christmas and mixing over the festive period will be blamed for the manufactured spike.Roll on the 3Rd wave

288597 ▶▶▶ awildgoose, replying to Jonathan Palmer, #1028 of 1437 🔗

I think Dominion and Smartmatic ramp the test numbers, just like they ramped the vote numbers for China Joe.

288546 ▶▶ RickH, replying to Will, 1, #1029 of 1437 🔗

Oh they can make it up … they can. Just go through all the stunts so far. Why would they stop now?

288388 D. D. Freund, 2, #1030 of 1437 🔗

Re “ US Panic Paper surfaced ”: worth pointing out that this guy appears to be a professor of advertising and PR.

288400 Two-Six, 1, #1031 of 1437 🔗

Live at Five: The Sunday Wire with American Patrick from out of off the UK Column.
https://www.alternatecurrentradio.com/
With live chat

288413 Steeve, replying to Steeve, 16, #1032 of 1437 🔗

My symptoms

Sore neck, right arm aching, headache and slight fatigue.

Lesson – do not walk down the curved side of a skate park ramp when wet – I was weighing up whether my grandson could pull the stunt off on his bike.

Having witnessed real life stupidity he decided against giving it a go!

If only there had been a “Not suitable for grandparents sign!”

288443 ▶▶ annie, replying to Steeve, 7, #1033 of 1437 🔗

Skate in skate parks, kill granny.

288529 ▶▶ John Kay, replying to Steeve, 3, #1034 of 1437 🔗

Aren’t those symptoms of the Pfizer devil’s jab, minus infertility?

288636 ▶▶▶ Steeve, replying to John Kay, #1035 of 1437 🔗

Now you mention it!

288414 Richard O, replying to Richard O, 19, #1036 of 1437 🔗

None of the public figures promoting the vaccine will ever be taking it. Let that sink in every time they vomit their vile coercive propaganda.

288458 ▶▶ OKUK, replying to Richard O, 6, #1037 of 1437 🔗

There was infamous moment in Germany a wjile vack when a State Minister had a vaccine for the cameras but it was specially prepared without the toxic adjuvant!

288423 Smelly Melly, replying to Smelly Melly, 16, #1038 of 1437 🔗

Went out with friends for a meal last night. The vast majority of people coming in wore masks (wife and I didn’t), from door to table, how a virus knows the difference is beyond me. The good news is I didn’t see a T&T QR code anywhere. Have they now been abandoned?

288445 ▶▶ leggy, replying to Smelly Melly, 8, #1039 of 1437 🔗

I asked exactly the same at lunch today – not a mention of T&T at all and they were pretty hot on it in that pub before LD2 – maybe they’d had enough? Shame, I wanted to get some more use out of the Covid-1984 app!

288817 ▶▶ Tking, replying to Smelly Melly, 1, #1040 of 1437 🔗

I went to a cafe and a restaurant over the weekend, no one asked me to track and trace, and the restaurant in the past has been very strict on it.

288849 ▶▶ dhid, replying to Smelly Melly, #1041 of 1437 🔗

I hope that is common (no T&T) – might start patronising places again.

288429 leggy, replying to leggy, 30, #1042 of 1437 🔗

Ventured out into Covid-cult-land today. Mixed experience.

First to a local village shop for some supplies. 100% mask compliance except myself and the proprietor. Had to help an old lady exiting the shop who was unable to see due to fogged up glasses. She told me how hard it was wearing masks with glasses, especially in this cold weather. I pointed out that there were many exemptions and gave her my back pocket laminated card. She thanked me, but not sure if she’s brave enough to go mask free. I hope she is.

Next on to a small market town to meet the family for Sunday lunch in a pub. They’d been off to a matinee pantomime in the theatre (a whole two performers apparently) but I’ve seen quite enough panto already this year. Anyway, the pub was dead. Maybe a dozen customers. I’d been in there to meet up with local sceptics just before lockdown 2 and it had been packed. I’m not sure how long they can survive with that level of trade. The 17 year old waitress started to tell us about her new college and it’s shocking lack of masks and social distancing until Mrs leggy put her in her place about facts and opinions. Lovely food and drink though. Quite a few maskers on the streets, almost all under 30 I’d say, though it’s hard to tell isn’t it.

On my way home dropped into a local airfield to see some friends. Completely normal, no masks, no distancing, no nonsense. Could have been 2019. An oasis of sanity.

Overall, pretty much what I expected I guess. Oh, and I’ve had my central heating engineer on the phone asking about coming to the next protest with me, so it’s not all bad 🙂

288441 ▶▶ annie, replying to leggy, 19, #1043 of 1437 🔗

Amazing how it’s the immune twentysomethings who are so far gone on nappies. It must be an acute form of anal non-retentiveness.

288456 ▶▶▶ leggy, replying to annie, 13, #1044 of 1437 🔗

My guess is a mixture of naivety and virtue signalling.

288475 ▶▶▶▶ stefarm, replying to leggy, 13, #1045 of 1437 🔗

The power of facebook and social shaming.

288594 ▶▶▶ awildgoose, replying to annie, 4, #1046 of 1437 🔗

The Western educational system has become nothing more than a two decade long process of Communist indoctrination.

288626 ▶▶▶▶ RickH, replying to awildgoose, 1, #1047 of 1437 🔗

Doh!

288431 PoshPanic, 6, #1048 of 1437 🔗

Got another poster urge..it’s a Testnado!

288437 annie, replying to annie, 21, #1049 of 1437 🔗

Was walking on the beach this morning, glorious but frosty day, exchanging beaming smiles and banter with other dog walkers and sane people.
A small but heroic party were bathing, in ordinary costumes not wetsuits. One was wearing a skimpy pair of trunks and a woolly hat .
I’m telling you, while there are people like that around, there is hope even for the Zombie Stalinist Gulag of Wales.

PS. Got a takeaway Sunday lunch from our favourite pub.They weren’t allowed to serve any alcohol to people eating inside, but they cheerfully sold me a bottle of wine to drink with our meal at home.

288512 ▶▶ Biker, replying to annie, 8, #1050 of 1437 🔗

you better watch out, that bottle of wine might have the virus, i’ve heard it can live on the cork for up to 40,000 years.

288530 ▶▶▶ annie, replying to Biker, 6, #1051 of 1437 🔗

It was a screw top! Bingo!

288601 ▶▶ dhid, replying to annie, 1, #1052 of 1437 🔗

One was wearing a skimpy pair of trunks and a woolly hat .”

Must have cut a couple of holes for their legs?

Sorry – couldn’t resist!

288440 A. Contrarian, replying to A. Contrarian, 33, #1053 of 1437 🔗

My local park is being treated to regularly changing copies of anti-lockdown Bob cartoons, which I have pinned to the fence at two strategic locations.

Surprisingly, at both locations they have remained pinned up for well over a week now. Presumably the park keepers are sceptics!

288528 ▶▶ annie, replying to A. Contrarian, 3, #1054 of 1437 🔗

I’ve spread a few, too. Some have been scraped off, but, hahaha, an image lingers on the wall!

288577 ▶▶▶ A. Contrarian, replying to annie, 1, #1055 of 1437 🔗

I put mine in those clear plastic folder things. Then I can just slide the old cartoon out and replace with a fresh one. Seems to be working well so far, but I’m amazed they’ve lasted this long.

Perhaps because they’re humorous, people take less offence than they would do to a more standard anti-lockdown poster.

288454 Zak Thelotofem, 2, #1056 of 1437 🔗
288461 petgor, replying to petgor, 10, #1057 of 1437 🔗

What is one to make of the expected performance of the vaccine now that we know that it is we the taxpayer who will have to die, become ill and also pay compensation to the injured whilst allowing Pfizer to reap the financial rewards?

288469 ▶▶ stefarm, replying to petgor, 4, #1058 of 1437 🔗

Still think it’s a red herring to distract us from something else. Keep us distracted.

288522 ▶▶▶ petgor, replying to stefarm, 7, #1059 of 1437 🔗

Tuesday last the government seemed to be in trouble (though not much judging by past performance) with their back benchers. A few hours later lo and behold a vaccine appeared. Even Julia Hartley Brewer was excited. But the euphoria lasted a very short time.

288490 ▶▶ Liz F, replying to petgor, 7, #1060 of 1437 🔗

Seriously, how can anyone get excited about a vaccine that the manufacturer won’t accept liability for? It really ISN’T that simple.

288747 ▶▶▶ jb12, replying to Liz F, #1061 of 1437 🔗

JHB is a bit dim.

288622 ▶▶ JohnB, replying to petgor, #1062 of 1437 🔗

Is this not the same for all vaccines?

288462 calchas, replying to calchas, 23, #1063 of 1437 🔗

“All of which is background for an intriguing decision made by Florida’s Department of Health (and signed off on by Florida’s Republican Governor Ron deSantis).

For the first time in the history of the pandemic, a state will require that all labs in the state report the critical “cycle threshold” level of every COVID-19 test they perform .”

https://www.zerohedge.com/medical/first-time-us-state-will-require-disclosure-pcr-test-cycle-data

288572 ▶▶ Ceriain, replying to calchas, 2, #1064 of 1437 🔗

Re. Ron DeSantis.

It’s old, and long, but still worth a watch for those who haven’t seen it.

Florida Governor Ron DeSantis held a virtual roundtable on September 24 with Stanford University Professor of Medicine Dr. Jayanta Bhattacharya, Harvard University Medical School Professor of Medicine Dr. Martin Kulldorff, and Stanford University Professor of Structural Biology Michael Levitt. The following is a lightly-edited transcript of the conversation.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6P3SkTBfGzU

Edited transcript here: https://rationalground.com/governor-desantis-roundtable-experts-advocate-for-normal-life-for-young-people/

288465 stefarm, replying to stefarm, 12, #1065 of 1437 🔗

Fucking hell, it’s been a long 3 weeks ain’t it

288470 ▶▶ calchas, replying to stefarm, 5, #1066 of 1437 🔗

Still at least 4 months of that 3 weeks to go.

288496 ▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to calchas, #1067 of 1437 🔗

Only four?

288468 calchas, replying to calchas, 8, #1068 of 1437 🔗

“Former Pfizer vice president and scientific director Dr. Michael Yeadon and German lung specialist and parliamentarian Dr. Wolfgang Wodarg have filed an urgent application with the European Medicine Agency calling for the immediate suspension of all SARS-CoV-2 vaccine studies – particularly the BioNtech/Pfizer study on BNT162b (EudraCT number 2020-002641-42).”

https://www.zerohedge.com/medical/ex-pfizer-exec-demands-eu-halt-covid-19-vaccine-studies-over-indefinite-infertility-and

288554 ▶▶ Nigel Sherratt, replying to calchas, #1069 of 1437 🔗

Linked here previously but no harm in spreading the word. Wodarg seems to know his stuff and Yeadon definitely.

288472 Cane Corso, replying to Cane Corso, 15, #1070 of 1437 🔗

The Hong Kong Flu shortened the lives of about 80,000 people in this country or killed 100,000 in today’s inflated population and emotive terms. That was the estimate after allowing for all statistical problems.
I find just FIVE articles about this epidemic at the time in the Guardian/Observer archives. All are from the Observer and none are on page one.*
Perhaps we live in more caring times than 1968/69, or perhaps we live in an era of induced hysteria.

*17/11/68 Page 6: 22/12/68 Page 2: 12/1/69 Page 2 (Termed “Mao Flu”): 2/2/69 Page 31: 4/5/69 Page 70

288503 ▶▶ Julian, replying to Cane Corso, 4, #1071 of 1437 🔗

“More caring times”. People care more about themselves now maybe, or are just a lot more childish than they were back then.

All the “caring” going on hasn’t really saved anyone, either

288506 ▶▶ Nigel Sherratt, replying to Cane Corso, 2, #1072 of 1437 🔗

Woodstock in the middle of all that too, a super spreader event if ever there was one.

288589 ▶▶ dhid, replying to Cane Corso, 4, #1073 of 1437 🔗

Because of the HK flu, as 8 year olds we had to wash our hands in freezing cold water in an outdoor toilet at school after playtime – we were so traumatised – I should probably sue……Lol!

288612 ▶▶ p02099003, replying to Cane Corso, #1074 of 1437 🔗

I have a vague recollection of the BBC news at the time and I don’t think it was the headlines, but as I was 12 the vast majority of the news wasn’t a priority other than all things space travel.

288672 ▶▶ A. Contrarian, replying to Cane Corso, #1075 of 1437 🔗

Lockdown wasn’t an option then, back in the good old days – no zoom, no working from home on wifi, no online delivery slots, no Netflix, no Amazon…

288474 godowneasy, replying to godowneasy, 12, #1076 of 1437 🔗

It’s really great that they are rolling out well known celebrities to endorse the vaccination. It means that all that messy complicated stuff around informed consent isn’t needed. Brilliant! Obviously they are all well informed people, having researched all this stuff about safety and efficacy for months on end. So anyone who enjoys watching these people on telly doesn’t need to think for themselves. That could delay the vaccine roll-out which would be disastrous. So, hats off to the old codgers.

288476 ▶▶ Two-Six, replying to godowneasy, 4, #1077 of 1437 🔗

Parky and Gob Beldorf look especially aged

288484 ▶▶▶ anon, replying to Two-Six, 4, #1078 of 1437 🔗

xs deaths around bob

not surprised his appearance is reflective of his soul (if he still has one)

288504 ▶▶▶▶ Nigel Sherratt, replying to anon, 1, #1079 of 1437 🔗

Saw him a few days ago, looking quite perky.

288517 ▶▶▶▶▶ anon, replying to Nigel Sherratt, 7, #1080 of 1437 🔗

genuinely sad to hear both of those statements

288545 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Nigel Sherratt, replying to anon, 1, #1081 of 1437 🔗

Our local celeb.

288856 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ dhid, replying to Nigel Sherratt, #1082 of 1437 🔗

Sorry to hear that! I genuinely feel sorry for you, such a POS as your local celeb.

288544 ▶▶▶▶ Biker, replying to anon, 1, #1083 of 1437 🔗

i like his song I Don’t Like Mondays, killer tune.

288874 ▶▶▶▶▶ TheOriginalBlackPudding, replying to Biker, #1084 of 1437 🔗

I hope it’s not a granny-killer tune.

288860 ▶▶▶▶ dhid, replying to anon, #1085 of 1437 🔗

reflective of his soul (if he still has one)”

I don’t think he ever did – posturing twat I believe – should have stuck to music – not too bad at that – well, for the time anyway.

288502 ▶▶ Julian, replying to godowneasy, 3, #1086 of 1437 🔗

Andy Murrary: “They said it was safe on TV”

288581 ▶▶▶ anon, replying to Julian, 1, #1087 of 1437 🔗

did something happen to murray at school?

288507 ▶▶ Biker, replying to godowneasy, 6, #1088 of 1437 🔗

Esther Rantzen always bothered me. Didn’t she set up a phone line to get children to phone if they were troubled? The last thing i’d want is anyone from the BBC to know if i were a child was if is was in some kind of distress. They might send someone round to “help”

288514 ▶▶▶ anon, replying to Biker, 2, #1089 of 1437 🔗

thecolemanexperience exposed that witch years ago

memory holed of course

288537 ▶▶▶▶ Biker, replying to anon, 8, #1090 of 1437 🔗

really? I must have missed that. I just tend to think anyone who wants to “help” kids is dodgy. Lets be honest we may love our own kids but other peoples are little bastards you can’t stand. Fuck, you can barely tolerate your own but somehow you love them. it’s a mindfuck. Top tip, if you don’t have children don’t have the little fuckers, they bring nothing but expense and worry. Life without kids a million times better. Thank fuck one of mine is grown up and the other one is a Baw Hair away from being.

288542 ▶▶▶ stefarm, replying to Biker, 2, #1091 of 1437 🔗

And best mates with the Saville

288561 ▶▶▶▶ Ceriain, replying to stefarm, #1092 of 1437 🔗

And she KNEW !

288580 ▶▶▶▶▶ anon, replying to Ceriain, 2, #1093 of 1437 🔗

so did Jill Dando

288555 ▶▶▶ Tyneside Tigress, replying to Biker, #1094 of 1437 🔗
288564 ▶▶▶▶ Biker, replying to Tyneside Tigress, -2, #1095 of 1437 🔗

I’ve been to his house when i was kid, not joking either. My old man was a friend of his and i’ve been to his house quite a few times, well it was a castle to be exact. He never did fuck all to me though.

288510 ▶▶ Freecumbria, replying to godowneasy, 5, #1096 of 1437 🔗

Michael Parkinson, the man who endorsed the AxaSun Life over 50s plan despite it being seriously bad value for most. Now endorses the jab. At least he is consistent with his poor judgement

288524 ▶▶▶ annie, replying to Freecumbria, 4, #1097 of 1437 🔗

Parkinson’s disease of the brain. Makes all your conclusions shaky.

I should have thought the best celeb to endorse this jab would be Mickey Mouse.

288549 ▶▶▶▶ Nigel Sherratt, replying to annie, 4, #1098 of 1437 🔗

Look for South Park Pandemic Special episode (v. rude, v, funny, not family viewing).

288541 ▶▶▶ Biker, replying to Freecumbria, 14, #1099 of 1437 🔗

Up in Scotland they’re using Renton and Sick Boy to advertise the vaccine. In the Scottish Government video they’re cooking it up on a spoon in a manky flat with the tag line choose life, choose to save your grannie, choose compliance, choose Nicola’s pungent vagina smell, choose to do what we tell you.

288543 ▶▶▶▶ Two-Six, replying to Biker, 2, #1100 of 1437 🔗

lol Sticky Nurgeon doesn’t have one of THOSE

288563 ▶▶▶ stefarm, replying to Freecumbria, 5, #1101 of 1437 🔗

Will I get a free Parker pen with the big V?

288566 ▶▶▶▶ Ceriain, replying to stefarm, 3, #1102 of 1437 🔗

Amazon vouchers is my guess.

288481 Lms23, replying to Lms23, 25, #1103 of 1437 🔗

Covid pantomime:
“the Government is not following ‘The Science’ but The Scientists – Ferguson, Whitty, Vallance, Van Tam – and their influence derives not from the quality of their scientific researches but from the role they have been assigned in what is ever more ridiculously revealed as the Covid pantomime.”

Which inevitably begs the question: WHO has written the script for them? (pun intended)
It’s precisely because none of it makes logical sense that we know its a sham. It’s not about a virus any more. It may be nothing more than corruption and greed between the pharmaceutical companies, corrupt scientists, equally corrupt politicians and the WHO to make huge sums of money out of the public.
It’s also a massive transfer of wealth from ordinary people and small businesses to big corporations and obscenely wealthy oligarchs, with politicians helping themselves and friends in the process.

288492 ▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Lms23, 6, #1104 of 1437 🔗

That’s essentially what the Sikh protest was about.
Now they’ve shown us how it’s done …..

288501 ▶▶ Nigel Sherratt, replying to Lms23, 1, #1105 of 1437 🔗

It’s behind you!

288532 ▶▶ Tyneside Tigress, replying to Lms23, 1, #1106 of 1437 🔗

Interrogate email, text and phone call traffic from 23 January 2020 with those named plus a few others likely to get you some way to the answer once all evidence is laid out chronologically.

288670 ▶▶ Francis, replying to Lms23, #1107 of 1437 🔗

And let’s not forget that, as long as this goes on, a significant amount of this transferred wealth is generated through the sale of masks..

288782 ▶▶ Ben, replying to Lms23, 1, #1108 of 1437 🔗

WHO scripts are always written by Big Pharma

288482 Victoria, replying to Victoria, 5, #1109 of 1437 🔗

Please sign this petition
Prevent any restrictions on those who refuse a Covid-19 vaccination (already 294,583 signatures)
https://petition.parliament.uk/petitions/323442

288516 ▶▶ annie, replying to Victoria, 4, #1110 of 1437 🔗

Most of us signed yonks ago!

288534 ▶▶▶ Alethea, replying to annie, 3, #1111 of 1437 🔗

yes indeed, I keenly tried this morning only to be told that I had already signed it once

288866 ▶▶▶▶ OpenYourEyes, replying to Alethea, #1112 of 1437 🔗

I believe it’s the wrong angle. Covid-19 vaccination should be offered anonymously, preventing the possibility of restriction.

288590 ▶▶ Pebbles, replying to Victoria, 4, #1113 of 1437 🔗

It’s going to be debated in Parliament on 14 Dec.

Please email your MP, any MP who has ever voted against Lockdowns or uttered the slightest scepticism of towing government line forever or has understood the Dark Ages will descend on us…

Please make them aware of the risks as outlined by Dr Yeadon et al, please make them aware that we are years away from determining that a vaccine will prevent infections of others and to stop spreading the lie that it does, and there is far not enough to evidence that it will prevent death or serious illness and that it might rather trigger it in many elderly due to immune reactions of a weakened immune system.

My last question to the MP would be – if the government has been so extraordinary helpful in getting Big Pharma off the hook in terms of liability, surely we can sue the MPs personally in Big Pharma’s absence once vaccine damage becomes obvious? After they signed it off, knowing the risks…

Surely, someone will need to take responsibility…?

And if no one is prepared to take responsibility for the vaccine or potential damage, surely there can’t be a law to make people take it or issue a mandatory vaccine mandate…unless Britain has officially ceased to be a democracy, and if so, it’s bloody time, they at least admit it.

NO CONSENT TO MANDATORY COVID VACCINE OR TIER SYSTEMS FOR VACCINATED / NON-VACCINATED PEOPLE.

288487 Ben, replying to Ben, 17, #1114 of 1437 🔗

If the vaccine is not going to cancel lockdown, lift restrictions and get life back to normal, then what is the point of it?

https://twitter.com/darrenmark69/status/1334618363335729154?s=20

288497 ▶▶ Stringfellow Hawke, replying to Ben, 3, #1115 of 1437 🔗

Well on the other hand, you can get comments & likes on social media pontificating about it. So I’m guessing that fits into some people’s equation, judging by some of the posts I’ve seen (& I’m only rarely on social media) “Just gone for my 8th test… took a quick selfie outside the tent…feel fine, here I am again at the testing centre..” 🙂

288500 ▶▶ Julian, replying to Ben, 11, #1116 of 1437 🔗

It’s to provide cover for the government so they don’t have any awkward explaining to do

I think we’ll be in some flavour of Tier 1 forever. They will not want to get back to anything more normal than that because having that extra control of there always being an ongoing or pending emergency requiring wider government powers and fewer awkward questions is very appealing if you love power

288642 ▶▶▶ DavidC, replying to Julian, 1, #1117 of 1437 🔗

There is no tier 1, the lowest level of the current tiers is the equivalent of the original tier 3.

DavidC

288535 ▶▶ Will, replying to Ben, 7, #1118 of 1437 🔗

Unless and until they prove it stops transmission, the “vaccine” isn’t a vaccine it is a prophylactic/ therapy.

288602 ▶▶▶ Julian, replying to Will, 1, #1119 of 1437 🔗

It should stop transmission, to a great degree, unless you believe in asymptomatic transmission, in which case it might not. The government say they believe in asymptomatic transmission, so not sure how they can claim you should take the vaccine to help others.

288491 AN other lockdown sceptic, 8, #1120 of 1437 🔗

Another AstraZeneca vaccine trial participant alleges serious injury, but the vaccine is still a favorite with the Gates Foundation and developing countries.

https://childrenshealthdefense.org/defender/astrazeneca-under-scrutiny-again-covid-vaccine/?utm_source=salsa&eType=EmailBlastContent&eId=28064d4b-139b-4dc8-922f-eb2d45ba463c

288493 stefarm, replying to stefarm, 42, #1121 of 1437 🔗

When will the penny drop #4 (or is it #5?)

Such a dangerous virus Tesco can produce a (gross) xmas avert taking the piss and parodying it.

Some old granny wearing a visor ‘I done a zoom in my underwear, am I on the naughty step’

ha ha ha haaaa haaaa – isn’t if funny hee heee hheeeeeeeeeeeee

FUCK offfffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffff Tesco

288552 ▶▶ Hoppy Uniatz, replying to stefarm, 8, #1122 of 1437 🔗

To be fair it’s been a terrible year to be an out of work actor. The actress playing the granny probably did the gig for food stamps

288870 ▶▶▶ dhid, replying to Hoppy Uniatz, 1, #1123 of 1437 🔗

That’s no excuse – collaboration is just that. Like the scumbag male voice-over in the obviously scary Gov. ad “Hands, face, space!” on every bloody radio station – utter filth – should be named and shamed.

288902 ▶▶▶▶ kf99, replying to dhid, #1124 of 1437 🔗

“…to protect my nan” and “protect my mates” that one always gets me. All in the inevitable regional accents to imply “normal people”

288499 AnotherSceptic, replying to AnotherSceptic, 13, #1125 of 1437 🔗

This boils my piss. The man had serious health problems, but good old Edinburgh live has to keep up the Covid-19 angle. Oh & El Presidente Sturgeon has commented on it also…why do they do this?
Yes it’s a shame for the man, but if this had happened this time last year, it would have been from his illness or because of flu & the world & life would have went on.

https://www.edinburghlive.co.uk/news/edinburgh-news/andrew-slorance-nicola-sturgeon-leads-19409076

I appreciate that I sound heartless here, but I am not, my point is, they need to keep up the scaremongering stories.

288508 ▶▶ dpj, replying to AnotherSceptic, 8, #1126 of 1437 🔗

As per a lot of these stories obviously sad for his family and anyone that knew him but going by his medical history is exactly the sort of person who is in the highest risk category so his death is nothing to worry about for anyone under 70 and fit and healthy.

288509 ▶▶ Ceriain, replying to AnotherSceptic, 14, #1127 of 1437 🔗

No, you are not heartless; it’s just more propaganda.

Mr Slorance was diagnosed with the rare and incurable cancer Mantle Cell Lymphoma in 2015

Covid my fucking arse!

288523 ▶▶▶ Liam, replying to Ceriain, 5, #1128 of 1437 🔗

Snap.

288527 ▶▶▶▶ Ceriain, replying to Liam, 3, #1129 of 1437 🔗

Posted at the same time. 😉

Great minds think alike…

288519 ▶▶ Liam, replying to AnotherSceptic, 5, #1130 of 1437 🔗

“Mr Slorance was diagnosed with the rare and incurable cancer Mantle Cell Lymphoma”.

288536 ▶▶ stefarm, replying to AnotherSceptic, 17, #1131 of 1437 🔗

So Covid has now cured cancer and the flu, I wonder if it can unblock my drain as well?

288505 George L, replying to George L, 14, #1132 of 1437 🔗

Public Health England : on their own website.. PCR Test is Not Able To Detect Infectious Virus!
Quote : “RT-PCR detects presence of viral genetic material in a sample but is not able to distinguish whether infectious virus is present.”
PDF : https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/926410/Understanding_Cycle_Threshold__Ct__in_SARS-CoV-2_RT-PCR_.pdf

See https://healthandmoneynews.wordpress.com/2020/12/02/public-health-england-pcr-test-is-not-able-to-detect-infectius-virus/ for the article.

288525 ▶▶ Ceriain, replying to George L, 9, #1133 of 1437 🔗

Yeah, we know. Always good to post the link for those who haven’t seen the document. Thanks 🙂

The DHSC probably felt they had to put that in the document after a FOI request from our guy Awkward Git outed them earlier in the year. No point in them hiding it anymore, I guess.

288538 ▶▶▶ George L, replying to Ceriain, 8, #1134 of 1437 🔗

Well done Awkward Git ..Ok.. good. I wasn’t aware, but seeing as its that wretched PCR Test that’s been used to get us where we are I think the more exposure that document gets the better. It actually is the smoking gun. Their achilleas heel!

288550 ▶▶▶▶ Ceriain, replying to George L, 6, #1135 of 1437 🔗

I wasn’t aware

A lot of people aren’t; that’s why it’s always good to have the link posted again. 🙂

Yeah, even the scumbag Handjob kind of admitted it the other day when asked about false positives. He weaseled out of it by referring the backbencher to the ‘excess death’ figures, or some other bollocks. MSM, of course, won’t go near it.

Mabel, if you’re reading this, could you add the link to the pdf George posted to the Resources on Pansception, please.

288579 ▶▶▶▶▶ George L, replying to Ceriain, 5, #1136 of 1437 🔗

Yeah.. its the sort of link that should be a go to ‘sticky’ and most definitely posted to MP’s and anybody with some sort of position/clout in all this. A blatant fraud has been committed using that test.

288700 ▶▶▶▶▶ Mabel Cow, replying to Ceriain, 2, #1137 of 1437 🔗
288950 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Ceriain, replying to Mabel Cow, #1138 of 1437 🔗

Thanks, Mabel; you are a rare gem and a great asset to this site. 🙂

288559 ▶▶ stefarm, replying to George L, 3, #1139 of 1437 🔗

Was the PCR test used to diagnose the virus in the V trials?

288570 ▶▶▶ George L, replying to stefarm, 1, #1140 of 1437 🔗

Well they’re using PCR testing in Russia to determine Covid, so I presume the answer would be yes.

288757 ▶▶▶ Pancho the Grey, replying to stefarm, 1, #1141 of 1437 🔗

Yes they were. I have raised the issue before. Their efficiency calculations are based on a pretty small sample anyway, so even one or two false diagnoses would make a significant difference.

288592 ▶▶ CGL, replying to George L, 1, #1142 of 1437 🔗

I hadn’t spotted this whenever it has been posted before, so thank you for that. Not sure if any of my friends will be seeing it but it’s posted in case they do.

288596 ▶▶ Charlie Blue, replying to George L, 2, #1143 of 1437 🔗

It’s a great bit of info. But it doesn’t really help us, does it? The distorted application of the precautionary principle allows our persecutors to gloss right over this on the basis that someone with a positive test might be infectious and therefore a walking bioweapon. Argument over.

288643 ▶▶ Lms23, replying to George L, 3, #1144 of 1437 🔗

The PTB has stated that the virus survives up to 3 days on some services, but they’ve never been able to culture any live virus…

So what exactly are they detecting, and if they can’t culture it, how can it infect anyone?

288761 ▶▶ Ben, replying to George L, 2, #1145 of 1437 🔗

I’m still waiting for Hancock’s urgent review into PHE for when it vastly inflated Covid death figures

288768 ▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to George L, #1146 of 1437 🔗

A typical RT-PCR assay will have a maximum of 40 thermal cycles

HMMMM!

288518 Matt The Cat, replying to Matt The Cat, 49, #1147 of 1437 🔗

Ok. I need to vent. Me and Mrs Cat made the long-dreaded and very motorway-miles-intensive trip to visit my parents yesterday.

We set off very early in the morning and decided to fill the car up at the service station which lies almost opposite their place before knocking their door.

I don’t want to give too much away, but this is a part of the country where “fools aren’t suffered”. At least, not normally.

There were four other customers queuing, one of which was a working class bloke in a high-viz jacket who was obviously a sceptic and having none of it, so I felt “amongst friends” when I walked in, head held high, bare-faced as God intended, to pay for the petrol.

As I’ve said before, nobody has ever dared say a word to me about being unmasked down here on the S coast. Anywhere. Supermarket, garage or convenience store.It’s all been good.

But there was this one obnoxious, Barbour-jacketted and capped, snotty little late-middle aged shitball, all 5’4″ of him, who had just filled up his Range Rover who was “giving me the evils” (or tried to), on his way back from the till while I was queueing.

He even made a point of stopping and making a pantomime of browsing the “Winter car care section”, next to where I was standing, on his way out, all the time trying to stare me out of the corner of his beady little eyes whilst doing so.

Of course, I just blatantly glared at him, which seemed to wind him up even more. Nothing was said. No verbals were required. You could have cut the atmosphere with a knife.

I wanted him to say something. I really did.

But he didn’t. If I wasn’t 6’1″ and as big as I am maybe he would have. But even so, I’m not the sort to “get physical”. Especially in a retail space covered 100% by CCTV.

Anyway, I duly paid for my fuel at the card machine which was situated on a small table three metres in front of the counter! I’ve not seen this kind of set-up anywhere since March, so I was amazed that anywhere was still treating all customers as plague spreaders in this way. Woman behind the perspex was nice enough though, all very efficient. Job done.

Went to walk out, got to the door, opened it, it got pushed back right at me. Looked up and it seemed there was a bit of an “altercation” going on on the forecourt between the Barbour-clad police-stater and the bloke in the high-viz. Mr Barbour had obviously chosen to take out his self-righteous inner rage on the wrong person. Lots of shouting, shoving, “eff” and “cee” words going on. Very unladylike 😉

Anyway, Mr Barbour had obviously “been told” and I took the opportunity to smile sweetly and flipped him the “Vs” amidst the chaos as I walked back to the car. Got back in and Mrs Cat, who had heard most of what was goiong on, says “I hope none of that was nothing to do with you?”.

“Good god,darling – NO!” I exclaimed, as we exited the forecourt, headlights on full beam, hand on the horn, tailgating Mr Barbour short arse as he headed back to his soon-to-be-bankrupt smallholding (I grew up round there – I know the type!).

NOT a great start to the visit. Anyway, I digress.

Came away pitying my parents more than ever. They’ve swallowed the line, more than ever. Like I’ve said before, they don’t see us much – maybe three times a year. Both in their 80s, both probably not got much time left to be honest. When it came to say bye, I sort of hugged mum. I don’t do that often, as we were never close. Still aren’t. Never will be.

Dad stands there, muttering something along the lines of “Hmmm we said no kissing didn’t we?”

FOAD Pater, thinketh I.

NOT that I would ever kiss my mum. She repulses me, even on a platonic level lol.

Strictly speaking, this was a totally unlawful visit. Two households. Mixing indoors. Execute us already, Yeltsin.

Anyway, mum starts crying. She always does at this point. I offer Dad a handshake. He doesn’t refuse me. Mrs Cat pecks him on his cheek. He always was a fucking hypocrite.

There we go. That’s my “family Christmas” done for another year. Thank fucking Christ.

288531 ▶▶ Biker, replying to Matt The Cat, 25, #1148 of 1437 🔗

That took a real dark turn towards the end, splendid stuff.

288547 ▶▶ Liam, replying to Matt The Cat, 19, #1149 of 1437 🔗

You’d probably have had a better afternoon visiting the hi-vis bloke from the service station.

288567 ▶▶▶ Matt The Cat, replying to Liam, 9, #1150 of 1437 🔗

Liam, you’re probably right! You might not believe this though, but I’m not the type who makes friends easily lol!

Bikey – Thanks! I re-read the post and I feel almost like I’m becoming you!

But anyway, I got that off my chest …. a bit more jovial now. Probably. ;-D

288639 ▶▶ Lms23, replying to Matt The Cat, 8, #1151 of 1437 🔗

Oh, dear. That’s sad.

Still, it’s on a par with me and my mother. She has advanced Alzheimer’s, and when I saw her back in January, she at least acknowledged my presence and smiled in some kind of vague recognition.
When I was finally able to see her during a brief period in late summer when visitors were being allowed in her care home, there was nothing. She was asleep for most of the visit, but when she was awake, she didn’t so much as look at me. It was the same when my sister visited. All connection has gone.
And now we’re all stuck in Tier 2, so there’ll be no visits…

288668 ▶▶▶ Liam, replying to Lms23, 3, #1152 of 1437 🔗

Been robbed of the last brief time she could have derived some comfort from the presence of family ☹️ 😡

288690 ▶▶▶▶ Lms23, replying to Liam, 6, #1153 of 1437 🔗

In reality, it’s not so much for her as for us. She forgot who we were a few years ago, but she did at least see me as a vaguely familiar face. We visit to make sure she’s ok, which she is. The care home is pretty good under the circumstances, but it upsets me to think we might not see her again. So far, it’s been just two visits this entire year, and we have no idea when the next one might be.

I hate Boris. And Hancock.

288556 swedenborg, 8, #1154 of 1437 🔗

This is not a quack, fringe doctor or an eccentric like Prof Raoult in Marseille. He is Assoc Prof Medicine from Texas. The Senate House Committee would hardly invite him if he was not coming to tell them of something important. But you won’t hear it from BBC/MSM

https://twitter.com/Covid19Critical/status/1335616639216332804

https://www.hsgac.senate.gov/early-outpatient-treatment-an-essential-part-of-a-covid-19-solution-part-ii

 “Dr. Pierre Kory goes to D.C. Tuesday as a witness at the Senate Committee on Homeland Security & Governmental Affairs. He’ll say that the American people deserve to know how to save themselves & have access to Ivermectin—the drug that will save them

288560 Fruitbat, replying to Fruitbat, 19, #1155 of 1437 🔗

Gutted! The ‘NHS Workers for Choice, No Restriction for Declining a Vaccine’ Facebook page appears to have been taken down. I think there was getting on for 3K members. Hope they can find a way of setting something up elsewhere, it was such a great support for us sceptical NHS employees.

288573 ▶▶ Pebbles, replying to Fruitbat, 11, #1156 of 1437 🔗

Facebook is taking down pro-choice vaccine pages left, right and centre. Please let the LS editorial team know as well… f&*(^ Zuckerberg and his minions that is all I can say.

288583 ▶▶▶ mhcp, replying to Pebbles, 10, #1157 of 1437 🔗

You know that Zuckerberg is involved in a lawsuit about the dropboxes for votes in one of the US states? He paid millions but it looks like there were some shady things going on.

288631 ▶▶▶▶ Lms23, replying to mhcp, 6, #1158 of 1437 🔗

There were lots of shady things going on in that election….

288585 ▶▶ Liz F, replying to Fruitbat, 16, #1159 of 1437 🔗

Doesn’t this kind of censure suggest that there must be something to hide?

288633 ▶▶▶ Lms23, replying to Liz F, 5, #1160 of 1437 🔗

Absolutely.

“Shut up!” they explained.

288593 ▶▶ Liz F, replying to Fruitbat, 5, #1161 of 1437 🔗

PS: When I said “suggest”, I meant “prove”.

288605 ▶▶ p02099003, replying to Fruitbat, 1, #1162 of 1437 🔗

I’ve managed to access the page without problems.

288615 ▶▶▶ First Minister of Bubbledom, replying to p02099003, #1163 of 1437 🔗

Me too

288725 ▶▶▶▶ Fruitbat, replying to First Minister of Bubbledom, #1164 of 1437 🔗

Yes, I have been able to find it again now. But there seems to have been some kind of fall out amongst the admins as I have also been directed to a new group with a similar name that has been set up by one of the former admins on the original group. It’s all got a bit confusing!

288703 ▶▶▶ Fruitbat, replying to p02099003, 1, #1165 of 1437 🔗

Yes, I have been able to find it again now. But there seems to have been some kind of fall out amongst the admins as I have also been directed to a new group with a similar name that has been set up by one of the former admins on the original group. It’s all got a bit confusing!

288574 OKUK, replying to OKUK, 45, #1166 of 1437 🔗

An appalling article by Dominic Lawson in the Sunday Times today. This site gets a name check but not in a good way. K

Lawson claims, with no evidence, that the lockdown policy has worked. He does not explain why Belgium and Peru – both strict and early lockdown adopters -are at or near the top of the death league. He does not explain why in the USA states that had no major lockdown have done no worse or better than states that did.

He fails to address the huge damage lockdowns do to families, personal development, our civil liberties, the economy, culture, sports, health and education. He fails to address the question of whether it is morally right for a government through lies and propaganda to terrify the population into compliance, when the virus’s lethality is actually less than that of the Hong Kong flu in 1968 and when nearly all the victims are either very close to death or have made themselves vulnerable through allowing themselves to become extremely obese.

He accuses sceptics of a lack of imagination by not realising that a vaccine could be developed so quickly. This is untrue. While MSM journos were stressing how long vaccine development takes, it was first here I read claims that this as all about vaccination and that safety controls would be thrown out of the window to fast-track the vaccine – those sceptics were right. It was also first here that I read claims that a vaccine passport would be required before you could resume normal social life. Lawson’s imagination fails him there. He dodges the subject, implying that everyone will want to get vaccinated.

He effectively accuses Dr Mike Yeadon of a vain fit of pique in applying to the EMA for the vaccine not be used generally since effects on fertility in women is unknown – airily commenting “Any argument will do”. How patronising and irresponsible! Conveniently Lawson forgets to inform his readers that it is the vaccine developers themselves who have stated they don’t know if or how it will affect fertility in women. It would be completely irresponsible to start vaccinating young women.

Lawson’s imagination fails him on other fronts. Why won’t the vaccine cause serious adverse reactions? Other vaccines have. We could end up with a domesday scenario: continuing lockdowns, rising lockdown deaths, continuing Covid 19 infections and a botched vaccination programmme. Also, he fails to realise that the vaccine might be far less effective than claimed. Very weak and elderly people are not necessarily going to respond well, we certainly see these patterns with the flu vaccine. On the other hand, if the vaccine is a total success what does that mean for the future? Will another novel pathogen take up residence in old people’s lungs? Lawson’s argument appears to be that if any virus has the potential to kill 50k people we should imprison people in their homes for months on end and crash the economy. How often in a decade woukd it reasonable to do that?

Much of the article seeks to destroy the example of Sweden. For me that’s irrelevant. We could equally choose the example of Japan, if he wants to make it an argument about lockdowns. But we should be making policy by reference to all data. Would we be worse or better off now if the billions had been put into a policy based on no lockdowns, intensive public health advice, effective substantial support for all shielders. free distribution of vitamins and minerals that support the immune system, and infection control in hospitals and care homes? I think we would.

288584 ▶▶ Richard O, replying to OKUK, 15, #1167 of 1437 🔗

Let’s hope he and all his family get the real vaccine and all suffer serious adverse effects that completely fuck them up for life.

288610 ▶▶▶ guy153, replying to Richard O, 1, #1168 of 1437 🔗

Not Nigel or Nigella surely though? We like them.

288630 ▶▶▶▶ Lms23, replying to guy153, 2, #1169 of 1437 🔗

Is that the royal “we”?

288587 ▶▶ anon, replying to OKUK, 1, #1170 of 1437 🔗

ask to view

his tattoo

288599 ▶▶▶ OKUK, replying to anon, 1, #1171 of 1437 🔗

I’d rather not..oh go on – tell us what it is…I am guessing skull and bones.

288588 ▶▶ Ceriain, replying to OKUK, 10, #1172 of 1437 🔗

tl;dr A journalist who studied history at Oxford.

In other words; knows fuck all!

288749 ▶▶▶ Pancho the Grey, replying to Ceriain, #1173 of 1437 🔗

Notably studied, but very coy about actual qualifications

288620 ▶▶ guy153, replying to OKUK, 7, #1174 of 1437 🔗

The vaccines were actually pretty much developed before any of this started.

The Oxford one for example was just a case of reprogramming the one they already had for MERS to encode the SARS2 spike instead.

Then it was just a matter of testing it. To their pleasant surprise it appeared to work OK and the rest is history.

Meanwhile every other team around the world who already had a vaccine platform also knocked out a SARS2 version of it and gave it a go.

There was some original (and very clever) SARS2-specific innovation in the “prefusion spike” vaccines (Moderna, Novavax, J&J) but most of the others just encode the spike exactly as it is (only codon optimized for human transcription but that is a trivial operation). This seems to work fine (although the prefusion spike ones do seem to be a bit better).

The actual vaccine platforms are very clever and built on years of research and hard work. But I never thought SARS2 vaccines would take longer than it took to test them (in fact less time because it was clear they would bend the rules).

288632 ▶▶▶ Leemc23, replying to guy153, 4, #1175 of 1437 🔗

I echo your points of view here cepi have been doing this for years and the point of the programme was to have vaccines that could be programmed quickly against emerging viral threat. Probably, if we looked at the bigger picture then it can be argued that this plandemic has enabled cepi’s process to be trialed – still not taking the fucking thing though.

288662 ▶▶▶ A. Contrarian, replying to guy153, 4, #1176 of 1437 🔗

So why don’t we have a MERS vaccine? Presumably it resulted in some sort of adverse effects? ADE like the SARS1 vaccine?

288859 ▶▶▶▶ guy153, replying to A. Contrarian, 1, #1177 of 1437 🔗

We do. It started trials at the end of last year before everyone lost interest in MERS. I don’t know how far it’s got.

288752 ▶▶▶ OKUK, replying to guy153, #1178 of 1437 🔗

You seem to know your stuff! Are all these vaccines mRNA based? Are these the first mRNA vaccines ever approved for use? Do mRNA vaccines do away with need for toxic adjuvants?

288863 ▶▶▶▶ guy153, replying to OKUK, #1179 of 1437 🔗

Moderna and Pfizer are mRNA. I’m not sure but they may need an adjuvant to actually get the RNA into cells.

Oxford, Russia and J&J use a vector (a different virus) which is how you get the RNA in.

Novavax is not RNA but actual spike proteins and it uses an adjuvant to get them into cells. The phase 1/2 paper is interesting because they tried it without the adjuvant and, as you might expect, got antibodies but no T-cells at all.

288660 ▶▶ A. Contrarian, replying to OKUK, 9, #1180 of 1437 🔗

How often in a decade would it reasonable to do that?

This, for me, is one of the key questions. What if next year, a virus with a much higher IFR comes along? Do we have to do this all over again? (although for a truly fatal virus, of course, we would all be doing it ourselves). What is the cut off point above which we must lockdown, no matter what? Is the NHS now never allowed to become overwhelmed, like it has done in most winters past – why is it OK for it to be overwhelmed with flu patients, but not covid? If it’s not OK then do we need to lock down every winter from now on, even if there are literally no jobs, businesses or economy left?

Someone needs to explain the reasoning behind this strategy, because now it’s been done once to save lives from covid, the public will be baying for lockdown when the next virus comes along and accusing the govt of killing people when they made all that effort to save us from covid. It’s just not sustainable.

288738 ▶▶▶ OKUK, replying to A. Contrarian, 5, #1181 of 1437 🔗

These are the questions I ask or want asked. I don’t think I’ve once heard an MSM interviewer ask one of the criminal classes (epidemiologists, doctors, government ministers, Pharma reps etc) – are we supposed to do this in a bad flu year? Because all the same considerations apply: killing granny with a hug, catching it in a pub and saving the NHS for instance.

288745 ▶▶▶▶ Mark, replying to OKUK, 1, #1182 of 1437 🔗

This is one of the things that really concerns me. Lot of very, very bad precedents set this year.

288924 ▶▶▶ DJ Dod, replying to A. Contrarian, #1183 of 1437 🔗

Funnily enough, this is the very question I asked Boris when I wrote to him on day one of the initial ‘lockdown’. It probably won’t surprise you to learn that I’m still waiting for a reply…

288682 ▶▶ James Marker, replying to OKUK, 5, #1184 of 1437 🔗

Dominic Lawson is easily rebutted when he writes nonsense about Covid-19 and I don’t take him seriously on this subject. I think his views are coloured by the fact that he has a disabled son, who he worries might be in a high-risk category.  The sheer nastiness of his tone clearly shows that he is emotionally spooked. A pity really, because Lawson normally writes objectively and without rancour.  Mind you, he is taking a big gamble, because he is going to look very foolish if anything goes wrong with the vaccination programme – and there is plenty of potential for cock-up.

288743 ▶▶▶ OKUK, replying to James Marker, 2, #1185 of 1437 🔗

Yes, I did think of mentioning that – daughter I believe. But shielding is the only effetive strategy without a vaccine, not lockdown. If it is decided his daughter should have the vaccine, that’s fine by me. But we shouldn’t be looking to achieve herd immunity with the vaccine – assuming it works as claimed.

288698 ▶▶ Borisbullshit, replying to OKUK, 10, #1186 of 1437 🔗

Sorry to say but Lawson is just a terrified bedwetting arse wipe with no guts…a pathetic specimen of a man. He was paralysed with fear from the outset. Typical rich person who can afford lockdown and could not give a shit about poorer people who cannot.

288746 ▶▶▶ OKUK, replying to Borisbullshit, 3, #1187 of 1437 🔗

Yep the rich don’t really lockdown. Private jets were always exempt from the travel bans! Sailing around the Med on your yacht isn’t really being locked down, is it?

288699 ▶▶ Draper233, replying to OKUK, 8, #1188 of 1437 🔗

Lawson completely missed the point.

Putting aside the fact that the vaccine is far from a done deal yet, even if we were told back in March that there would be a vaccine available before the end of the year, I still would have vehemently opposed all lockdown measures and the devastation they would cause.

In fact, it actually lends far more support to the “protect the vulnerable” strategy.

288748 ▶▶▶ OKUK, replying to Draper233, 2, #1189 of 1437 🔗

Exactly.

288578 Ben, replying to Ben, 13, #1190 of 1437 🔗

Explosive tweet regarding safety of face masks

https://twitter.com/sabhlok/status/1335575334842814464?s=20

288604 ▶▶ guy153, replying to Ben, -1, #1191 of 1437 🔗

Thanks for the link. The claims are at least 99% evidence-free however.

I don’t like masks especially for healthy people when there isn’t a pandemic happening but they’re about as likely to cause brain damage as Long Covid.

288629 ▶▶▶ Lms23, replying to guy153, 14, #1192 of 1437 🔗

I’m assuming that this well-respected neurologist know what she’s talking about:
https://www.sott.net/article/442455-German-Neurologist-Warns-Against-Wearing-Facemasks-Oxygen-Deprivation-Causes-Permanent-Neurological-Damage
“To deprive a child’s or an adolescent’s brain from oxygen, or to restrict it in any way, is not only dangerous to their health, it is absolutely criminal. Oxygen deficiency inhibits the development of the brain, and the damage that has taken place as a result CANNOT be reversed.”

288644 ▶▶▶▶ Banjones, replying to Lms23, 6, #1193 of 1437 🔗

I was about to post exactly the same till I saw yours. How on earth can anyone think it’s okay to subject children to this kind of abuse?

288686 ▶▶▶▶▶ Lms23, replying to Banjones, 4, #1194 of 1437 🔗

I don’t know, but plenty do, including parents, who clearly don’t understand any of the risks.

288847 ▶▶▶▶▶ George L, replying to Banjones, #1195 of 1437 🔗

They are doing it in France. All children over the age of six have to wear masks all day at school. Can’t expect much else from that evil little shit Macron.

288853 ▶▶▶▶ guy153, replying to Lms23, -1, #1196 of 1437 🔗

Yes but she doesn’t provide any evidence besides I’m a neurologist with letters after my name and I say so. If we believe her why not all the “respected scientists” who tell us we will all die slowly and painfully from Long Covid?

288586 Freecumbria, replying to Freecumbria, 36, #1199 of 1437 🔗

Encouraging news, 55% of New York City Firefighters won’t take the Pfizer vaccine

https://nypost.com/2020/12/05/these-nyc-first-responders-fear-covid-19-vaccine-side-effects/?fbclid=IwAR0TiVgeIIbo-QBwdVYzibkRdXTX8pPmyt393ddsTIXYbemm0MnpHplRFyA

Perhaps they should now be called The Bravest and the Smartest?

288607 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to Freecumbria, 12, #1200 of 1437 🔗

I think that there will be a band of those who refuse within these public institutions that will be a lightening rod to the cause. It won’t take many, but something like the FD in NY would be a prime example.

288625 ▶▶ Lms23, replying to Freecumbria, 8, #1201 of 1437 🔗

I also read that around 60% of medical staff in the U.S. are reluctant as well.

In the meantime, presenters on TalkRadio are suddenly taking the government at their word and think it’ll be fine to have the vaccine as its such a wonderful achievement by this country to have developed it so quickly. They’re ok with vaccine passports, and refusing entry into places if they don’t have one….

288637 ▶▶▶ Arkansas, replying to Lms23, 6, #1202 of 1437 🔗

Which is interesting, because there’s really no coherent way that (say) JH-B’s previously articulated positions on lockdown, the statistics, government behaviour, etc, lead narratively to a support of the (unproven, unjustified) vaccine as-is and the accompanying (proposed, hinted at) infrastructure.

So either they were insincere all along and now having built trust it’s time to “sell cars”, or they were sincere but see this as the way to get out of this hole by playing their part in playing along with “vaccine theatre” and assuming most of the other stuff will fall apart anyway — or they were sincere but, perhaps like other mainstream outlets, they are now being leant on to fall in line (Ofcom, D-Notices, license renewal, worse) if they want to keep existing.

288640 ▶▶▶▶ Darryl, replying to Arkansas, 3, #1203 of 1437 🔗

You won’t get any regulated media organisation telling the truth, they are all ultimately reliant on the establishment, so controlled indirectly through self censorship.

288684 ▶▶▶▶ Lms23, replying to Arkansas, 6, #1204 of 1437 🔗

They’re likely to upset a lot of their listeners, who only tune in to the station to get an alternative viewpoint. If they’re joining in the pro-vaccine mob, they’ll lose listeners.

288755 ▶▶▶▶▶ Sodastream, replying to Lms23, 4, #1205 of 1437 🔗

Yes I’ve stopped listening to JHB since she announced the excitement of the vaccine last week!! Talk about total turnaround…

288771 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ OKUK, replying to Sodastream, 4, #1206 of 1437 🔗

Her vaxomania is hard to take. She sounds like a young girl talking about her favourite boy band. It’s embarrassing.

288726 ▶▶▶▶ Borisbullshit, replying to Arkansas, 9, #1207 of 1437 🔗

I think its easy to fool ourselves that Talk Radio is much better than the BBC. Their news items are pure propaganda as are the news flashes that pop up if you watch them on you tube. JHB was utterly awful at the start of lockdown prattling on about how it was going to be lovely spending more time with her daughter and how there was going to be a baby boom etc. I’m sure the divorcees and battered wives saw it that way too. I heard the obnoxious and smug Ian Collins talking down to Piers Corbyn in a very patronising way on friday…’you do realise how bonkers you sound dont you’ etc. Collins is the kind of moron who thinks it shows intelligence to be on message with the govt narrative rather than doing some independent research. If he had talked to me like that in a studio he would have got a very hard punch on the nose. Just a nasty smug bully really.

So yes Talk Radio…..classic controlled opposition most of the time. You would be better off reading a novel or going for a walk.

288766 ▶▶▶▶▶ OKUK, replying to Borisbullshit, 4, #1208 of 1437 🔗

I think Talk Radio is nothing like the BBC, far more grounded in reality and reasoned debate rather than wish fulfilment and virtue signalling. Yes, the news is dreadful but most of the presenters understand the damage lockdown is doing.

I think that a lot of them have fallen into what you might call “the Vaccine Fly Trap”. It looks like a lovely opening, you do a little jig in celebration and next thing you know you are sliding down into a well of acid that will strip you to your bones and there’s no hope of crawling back out.

To celebrate the vaccine is to say the government was right about the vaccine. To say they were right about the vaccine fatally undermines your objection to lockdowns since the government always claimed it was a lockdown-vaccine strategy.

I think the correct response here is not to celebrate but to ask a hundred pertinent questions, not just about the vaccines, but also about the general vaccine strategy, while maintaining full opposition to lockdowns and the wasting of billions on test and trace.

288769 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ OKUK, replying to OKUK, 3, #1209 of 1437 🔗

Meant to add Ian Collins called the claim that the vaccine will alter your DNA a “conspiracy theory” but that is exactly how mRNA vaccines work!

288796 ▶▶▶▶▶ dhid, replying to Borisbullshit, 1, #1210 of 1437 🔗

I don’t think what JHB said at the start is relevant, things were pretty unknown then.

I was disgusted at her response to cunt face Handcock over the vaccine – I think she might regret that now – possibly.

I too have been seriously pissed off about some of the adverts and shit about covid but I do suspect they are a bit tied by being a licenced radio station. I believe most presenters are sceptics but I believe Collins IS a cunt and not typical of the presenters generally.

288634 ▶▶ Darryl, replying to Freecumbria, 4, #1211 of 1437 🔗

They don’t trust the government after a certain incident in 2001, remember when health ‘experts’ publicly said the air was safe despite knowing otherwise privately. Thousands of ordinary people have suffered serious health problems since and the media have covered it up.

288638 ▶▶ Ben, replying to Freecumbria, 5, #1212 of 1437 🔗

New York City Firefighters have my respect

Still.. 45% would take it

288717 ▶▶ annie, replying to Freecumbria, 3, #1213 of 1437 🔗

Does it cause spontaneous combustion?

288614 ▶▶ Ceriain, replying to PWL, 15, #1215 of 1437 🔗

Pineapple is a commonly known lifesaver in the animal world…

288647 ▶▶ Darryl, replying to PWL, 4, #1216 of 1437 🔗

More truths in this article about Covid than the whole of the weekends newspapers.

288715 ▶▶ annie, replying to PWL, 3, #1217 of 1437 🔗

Good, I love pineapple.

288880 ▶▶▶ dhid, replying to annie, #1218 of 1437 🔗

So do I. Especially with bacon.

288765 ▶▶ peyrole, replying to PWL, 3, #1219 of 1437 🔗

In Jan/Feb when I was in Thailand, the S Koreans suggested that the hypertension drugs ( ACE inhibitors) given out in the west could be causing a lot of the problem. The increase in ACE2 from this drug use is counteracted by the bromelain in pineapple. A lot of countries in S West and Far East grow and eat plentiful pineapples.
This work may have taken 9 months to confirm what the Koreans were saying, is it too late to stop the vaccine ‘train’?

288611 AnotherSceptic, replying to AnotherSceptic, 2, #1220 of 1437 🔗

I wonder if one of these are big enough to put Matt Wankcock in?

Reach Plc keeping up the scaremongering shite.

https://www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/news/uk-news/first-look-specialist-coronvirus-vaccine-19409130

288665 ▶▶ theanalyst, replying to AnotherSceptic, 3, #1221 of 1437 🔗

Yeah – he would fit, given a little push and shove.

288621 Steeve, replying to Steeve, 2, #1222 of 1437 🔗

Apparently I have just made ARGOS SAD – I cancelled an order!

288645 ▶▶ Voz 0db, replying to Steeve, #1223 of 1437 🔗

How up are the profits of ARGOS?

288659 ▶▶▶ Steeve, replying to Voz 0db, 1, #1224 of 1437 🔗

No idea but I suspect not much!

288635 Don, replying to Don, 10, #1225 of 1437 🔗

Just jumping in here so apologize if this doesn’t follow any thread in the preceding comments. I’ve been looking at the US data on the CDC website and found it interesting that there doesn’t seem to be any excess death this year and in fact this report based on data to Dec 3 estimates 20k fewer deaths. You would think with a serious pandemic there’s be deaths above and beyond what is average. Curious if there’s similar data from other countries including Canada where I am.
On Track To See in 2020 About 20,000 Fewer Deaths in U. S. Than Normal Ave. Annual Increase | Education News (educationviews.org)

US CDC data Provisional COVID-19 Death Counts by Sex, Age, and State | Data | Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (cdc.gov)

288680 ▶▶ Lms23, replying to Don, 6, #1226 of 1437 🔗

For a deadly pandemic, it’s pretty weak and pathetic, mostly carrying off the already sick and elderly.

288687 ▶▶ calchas, replying to Don, 6, #1227 of 1437 🔗

No excess death in Germany for 2020.

Cases of respiratory illness in hopitals are also runnung below 2019, despite 1.15 million ‘cases’ of covid.

Figure that one out.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EoTeBX1XEAA6ugK?format=png&name=small

288651 Tommo, replying to Tommo, 64, #1228 of 1437 🔗

First hand example of NHS madness. Our 1 year old has been unwell – temperature all weekend, with a bit of a rash. Personally, I’m not too concerned. This is our third child, and they have all had similar bugs many times. But my wife does worry a bit more (or maybe she is just more caring?!). So she calls 111 to try and get an out of hours doctor’s appointment to get the baby checked out. She explains the symptoms and after a 10 minute conversation, the call handler decides that the baby most likely has coronavirus. She tells my wife that a note will by added to our son’s record, saying suspected coronavirus, and we must self-isolate for 14 days and won’t be able to take him to an out of hours doctor’s surgery. Well, my wife lost it with the call handler. The baby is not displaying signs of coronavirus – she is more worried about him having meningitis. But it is just astonishing that the NHS is making it so hard to take a poorly child to see a doctor.

288669 ▶▶ John Galt, replying to Tommo, 20, #1229 of 1437 🔗

A friend of mine met someone whose daughter, based on some really obvious symptoms, quite clearly had ataxia. Doctors were telling this woman that her daughter had “long covid”, because she’d had covid 6 months prior.

It’s truly insane. I hope your 1 year old is OK.

288708 ▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Tommo, 20, #1230 of 1437 🔗

1 year-old with covid??

Try phoning again and see if you get someone who isn’t a total moron.

288714 ▶▶▶ annie, replying to Cheezilla, 8, #1231 of 1437 🔗

One-year-old with suspected meningitis?
Worry.

288741 ▶▶▶▶ Mark, replying to annie, 5, #1232 of 1437 🔗

Try not to worry, I’d say. because it most likely isn’t, but do take it seriously.

One of those things you just don’t get cavalier with.

But having children is the path to a lifetime of worry, let’s face it.

288754 ▶▶ Sodastream, replying to Tommo, 5, #1233 of 1437 🔗

Disgusted at the nhs response. How’s your baby now?

288767 ▶▶ dhid, replying to Tommo, 5, #1234 of 1437 🔗

That is quite extraordinary, my friends partner is a nurse and has been shocked by some of the 111 “advice” – caveat: I personally have no medical experience but a baby with a rash should probably be checked, especially with a temperature.

Like I said I have no medical experience, but I think I would insist on a proper checkup.
Perhaps you should make it clear that you will take legal action against any negligence – seems to be the only thing that might be taken seriously now.

288774 ▶▶ fiery, replying to Tommo, 3, #1235 of 1437 🔗

I hope you’ve managed to get an appointment with a GP. NHS 111 call handlers are not medically qualified and should have immediately referred you for a call back from a doctor. I’ve dealt with these idiots when I worked for the NHS and it was even worse it was known as NHS direct. i used to refer to them as NHS inept.

288804 ▶▶▶ p02099003, replying to fiery, 2, #1236 of 1437 🔗

111 callers are following a script/flowchart. If they have concerns they should pass you onto a clinician which could be a triage nurse/paramedic or a GP, if there’s one available. If needs be they could send a paramedic/nurse/physician out to you if they run a home visiting service (which is available in Leicestershire and Rutland where I live and work) or you could be directed to the nearest 24 hour urgent care centre. Where I live 111 can make appointments to the urgent care centres even suspected CoViD19 (which for a child is highly unlikely).

288781 ▶▶ p02099003, replying to Tommo, 6, #1237 of 1437 🔗

If I were to see you face to face this is what I would ask you before examining the child.
Is the child eating?
is the child drinking?
are nappies normal?
is the child taking an interest in their surroundings?
is the child behaving normally?
is the child smiling at all?
is the fever controlled by calpol/nurofen?
is the rash blanching?
is the child breathing normally with no strange sounds?

Yes to all of the above then monitor child, likely viral with post viral rash.

if the answer to any is no then:
Is the child breathing normally or is the top of the tummy or between the ribs going in and out (called recession) or the v at the top of the chest/bottom of the neck going in and out (tracheal tug) or is there flaring of the nostrils associated with rapid breathing (more than 36 breaths a minute)?
Can you hear a wheeze or any other noise when the child breathes?
Is the temperature more than 38 but less than 40?
is the temperature more than 40?

does the child have any medical problems?
any allergies?
vaccinations up to date?

if condition worsens then call 111/speak to GP
if child becomes floppy/unresponsive/ no wet nappy for 12-24 hours call 999

288788 ▶▶▶ p02099003, replying to p02099003, 6, #1238 of 1437 🔗

I forgot to add
if temperature 40+ And any of
if rash is purple-red in colour and is not blanching when it’s pressed then call 999
if child cannot stand bright lights then 999
if child reluctant to nod head then 999

288800 ▶▶ p02099003, replying to Tommo, 2, #1239 of 1437 🔗

Whereabouts do you live ( general area, not down to county even)?

288653 theanalyst, replying to theanalyst, 24, #1240 of 1437 🔗

Wtf? How low can they go?

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9022827/COVID-19-cause-erectile-dysfunction-doctor-says.html

Not a problem for me anyway. Just saying.

Far more likely this is a product of Lockdown which equals for many the feeling of being in an abusive relationship – loss of income, bleak future, being incarcerated, being told who you can see, being told what to wear, etc. The birth rate will probably drop through the floor for some demographics this year, and this will not be caused by so called long Covid…it will be caused by repetitive government control and bullying, which has been going on for nearly 9 months. When will it end?

288657 ▶▶ mjr, replying to theanalyst, 19, #1241 of 1437 🔗

i dont think that claim will stand up

288728 ▶▶▶ Borisbullshit, replying to mjr, 3, #1242 of 1437 🔗

So much for JHB’s bullshit claim at the start of lockdown that there was going to be a baby boom.

288661 ▶▶ Ceriain, replying to theanalyst, 10, #1243 of 1437 🔗

Not so long covid?

288666 ▶▶ dommo, replying to theanalyst, 2, #1244 of 1437 🔗

you’ll just feel a small prick…

288667 ▶▶ Richard O, replying to theanalyst, 12, #1245 of 1437 🔗

The elite will not be satisfied, and will not stop, until the birth rate is zero. They are not fucking around.

288673 ▶▶▶ calchas, replying to Richard O, 10, #1246 of 1437 🔗

Spot on.

Feature not a bug.

Who wants to bring a child into this kind of world?

288676 ▶▶▶ Lms23, replying to Richard O, 10, #1247 of 1437 🔗

Here’s the thing.
There’s not very many of them. Most couldn’t fend for themselves, so rely on us plebs to provide everything.
If there are no plebs to provide everything, how will they survive?

As I’ve said for a number of years, when they all gather in Davos, it should be nuked from low orbit…just to be sure….

288681 ▶▶▶▶ Richard O, replying to Lms23, 1, #1248 of 1437 🔗

Humans are now surplus to requirements. Machines can do everything. All the elite need are a handful of slaves to administer the machines and indulge their sexual proclivities.

288724 ▶▶▶▶▶ OKUK, replying to Richard O, 2, #1249 of 1437 🔗

Well if it’s GSoros you’re talking about I’ll definitely be opting for the machine administering.

288689 ▶▶▶▶ theanalyst, replying to Lms23, 10, #1250 of 1437 🔗

Agreed. This bloke who used to work for me as an analyst started going to Davos with Bank of England about 3 years ago. He does well in interviews. Used to meet him annually in a pub around here for a catch up. He is a right self serving prick with no qualifications.

The so called elite being referred to here are just over achieving people from various companies and corporations, which have unusually strong attachments / affiliations to governments, like people in the Bank of England.

Looking at the standards of contributions to this site , it is we who are the real elite. Seriously.

288702 ▶▶▶▶▶ Noumenon, replying to theanalyst, 5, #1251 of 1437 🔗

The ‘aristocratic’ mentality (no, I’m not referring to the Saxe-Coburg and Gotha imposters or billionnaires) emodied in such things as the enlightenment values, romanticism, the Renaissance, Chivalry etc. were cultural movements associated with learned peoples with an interest in mutual development. Their values were fostered over time. What we have is rule by narcissictic autocrats who’s value is based on who they blackmail or brown-nose the most.

These people are not patrons, they are not teachers, they are not messiahs, spiritual guides or wisemen, they are not masters of ceremony, they are not friends of their fellow human beings. They are cannibals who use people up as a resource to furnish their own thirst for power.

288730 ▶▶▶▶▶ OKUK, replying to theanalyst, 2, #1252 of 1437 🔗

Discussion between two teenage boys in a cinema before the film started:

First teen: I’m going to be working in my Dad’s office from next week.

Second teen: Oh right. What are you going to be doing?

First teen: I’m going to be a company analyst.

Second teen: So what does that involve?

First teen: I’ve no idea.

288713 ▶▶▶ annie, replying to Richard O, #1253 of 1437 🔗

Obviously nobody is!

288697 ▶▶ Eddy, replying to theanalyst, #1254 of 1437 🔗

Bollocks

288712 ▶▶ annie, replying to theanalyst, #1255 of 1437 🔗

Not to worry. Only zombies will be affected, no loss.

288720 ▶▶ OKUK, replying to theanalyst, #1256 of 1437 🔗

That’s hard on people, or rather, that’s not.

288736 ▶▶ Steeve, replying to theanalyst, #1257 of 1437 🔗

I suppose without hard evidence there could be a link.

288656 JohnB, replying to JohnB, 2, #1258 of 1437 🔗

Some Domain Name registration providers are blocking the registration of domain names with the word vaccine in them. I tried Namecheap with some common vaccine phrases and when I tried to purchase the domain it gave me the message “This domain contain restricted or premium phrase(s) and cannot be self registered.”

288664 ▶▶ Mabel Cow, replying to JohnB, 2, #1259 of 1437 🔗

You’re lucky you got the warning up front. My registration of coronapedia.org.uk was permitted by Nominet but then immediately suspended.

288675 ▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to Mabel Cow, 7, #1260 of 1437 🔗

Wow, we are in full authoritarian mode now. I have never known this to happen in all the years I’ve been registering domains.

288679 ▶▶ Ben, replying to JohnB, 2, #1261 of 1437 🔗

Is Big Pharma behind these blocks?

288683 ▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to Ben, 5, #1262 of 1437 🔗

I would’ve thought Govs would only have the power to do this, but most likely lobbied by Big Pharma to do it.

288674 wendy, replying to wendy, 7, #1263 of 1437 🔗

https://unherd.com/2020/12/the-toxic-british-worship-of-the-nhs/

A very good article here in Unherd which should send an alert up about trusting a rushed vaccination!!!

NHS doesn’t need protecting it needs reforming but now it has been turned into a god to be worshipped it will be very difficult to change it

288677 ▶▶ Richard O, replying to wendy, 18, #1264 of 1437 🔗

The NHS is the primary vehicle for the complete destruction of this country, and as such n eeds to be completely dismantled.

288685 ▶▶ Ceriain, replying to wendy, 6, #1265 of 1437 🔗

It would be interesting to have a stroll through Hansard to find out when the Tories started referring to the NHS as “our NHS”; bet you a pound to a penny it was only this year it started.

288704 ▶▶▶▶ Ceriain, replying to Richard Pinch, 1, #1267 of 1437 🔗

Shocker! I owe you a pound. 😀

288739 ▶▶▶▶▶ Richard Pinch, replying to Ceriain, 5, #1268 of 1437 🔗

Have yourself a scotch egg on me.

288818 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Ceriain, replying to Richard Pinch, #1269 of 1437 🔗

😉

288727 ▶▶▶▶ calchas, replying to Richard Pinch, 2, #1270 of 1437 🔗

Yes, but they meant ‘our’, as in belonging to their vested interests not to the British people.

Tory MPS cheer after blocking pay rise for NHS in 2017.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d9C65DGd068

288678 Mabel Cow, replying to Mabel Cow, 13, #1271 of 1437 🔗
288709 ▶▶ Liam, replying to Mabel Cow, 1, #1272 of 1437 🔗

God yes, I remember when every other car on the road had one of those ridiculous straps.

288778 ▶▶▶ Sarigan, replying to Liam, 2, #1273 of 1437 🔗

I was exempt and never got car sick

288794 ▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Liam, #1274 of 1437 🔗

Actually we used one as an antistatic. Before using it, I used to get ferocious shocks, complete with audible crack when I closed the car door. Afterwards, none.

288692 swedenborg, replying to swedenborg, 9, #1275 of 1437 🔗

https://twitter.com/ajaxfriend/status/1335584853702680579

https://twitter.com/ajaxfriend/status/1335583994554019844

This is absurd theatre model Netherlands. Police arresting 3 unmasked persons sitting on a bench. The most intriguing thing is the police supervisor leading his police force going around without a mask.

288696 ▶▶ Ben, replying to swedenborg, 17, #1276 of 1437 🔗

The Nazis are back in the Netherlands

288773 ▶▶▶ swedenborg, replying to Ben, 2, #1277 of 1437 🔗

This video of a Chinese C-19 actor was perhaps the origin why we are in this situation incl. Netherlands (Watch the hands of the “dead” man)
https://twitter.com/MichaelPSenger/status/1290465462359339008
“The fall that shut down the world. This video of a Wuhan man “falling dead” from COVID went viral in January. Farcical, in hindsight”

288791 ▶▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to swedenborg, #1278 of 1437 🔗

And the way he readjusts his head on the ground.

288701 ▶▶ Ceriain, replying to swedenborg, 10, #1279 of 1437 🔗

I saw 3 people arrested for NOTHING!

Will this wake up any of the people on the street watching this?

Probably not!

288732 ▶▶ calchas, replying to swedenborg, 7, #1280 of 1437 🔗

Being arrested by the police is one of the few forms of social contact now freely available to the general public, along with protests and demonstrations.

288694 AN other lockdown sceptic, 1, #1281 of 1437 🔗

Africa’s Pandemic: A Gateway To Neocolonialism

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eBxDgpUdjUw

288710 Country Mumkin, replying to Country Mumkin, 15, #1282 of 1437 🔗

Looks worth doing this world vaccine poll and very comforting to see results so far if true.

https://www.worldvaccinepoll.com/

288721 ▶▶ annie, replying to Country Mumkin, #1283 of 1437 🔗

Seems to have been blocked.

288776 ▶▶▶ Sarigan, replying to annie, 4, #1284 of 1437 🔗

Worked for me and the results are a joy to read

288789 ▶▶▶▶ thinkaboutit, replying to Sarigan, 1, #1285 of 1437 🔗

Wow, yes, just done it!

288798 ▶▶ BTLnewbie, replying to Country Mumkin, #1286 of 1437 🔗

Thanks for the link – 40k responses, 95% like-minded.

288711 Bill Hickling, replying to Bill Hickling, 4, #1287 of 1437 🔗

This mask wearing this is just a farce. Bought one off the internet and then suddenly everyone is “oh I am so sorry you are exempt”!!

288753 ▶▶ Ben, replying to Bill Hickling, 8, #1288 of 1437 🔗

The mask wearing is essential to the narrative which justifies vaccines and immunity passports – which in turn makes shareholders rich. Pharma and tech industries want to see a return on their investment. That’s what this is about

288719 calchas, replying to calchas, 6, #1289 of 1437 🔗

USA – no excess death in 2020, taking the trend of population growth and increase of acerage age into account.

Total Annual Deaths by Year
2018 Deaths: 2,839,205
2019 Deaths: 2,855,000
2020 (through Dec. 3): 2,644,024
Projected 2020 Total: 2,871,270 (based on the daily average number of deaths in 2020).

https://www.educationviews.org/on-track-to-see-in-2020-about-20000-fewer-deaths-in-u-s-than-normal-ave-annual-increase/

288731 ▶▶ Mark, replying to calchas, 6, #1290 of 1437 🔗

This appears to follow up that quickly suppressed Johns Hopkins study posted here a week or so ago. Presumably all the media assertions of 6 figure US “excess deaths” were simply ignoring the underlying increasing trend and using “excess” as above the 5 year average!

https://www.aier.org/article/new-study-highlights-serious-accounting-error-regarding-covid-deaths/

288735 ▶▶▶ calchas, replying to Mark, 4, #1291 of 1437 🔗

Yes, the death rate ha been increasing in the US since 2014, due probably to increasing average age plus socioeconomic stress (eg opioids). Population is also increasing.

288722 Matt Dalby, replying to Matt Dalby, 11, #1292 of 1437 🔗

The Ulster Fry spoof was the funniest thing I’ve heard for a long time. If he happens to read this and wants to do a slightly longer song he is welcome to these lyrics. Or if anyone else who wants them to make spoof government festive safety message, maybe featuring Boris, Whitty and Hancock photo shopped to look like the 3 unwise men please do it, I’m not sure my IT skills are up to the job. Sadly I don’t know which, if any, well known tune would be suitable.

Don’t kill your gran at Christmas
Leave her all alone
Don’t kill your gran at Christmas
She’s safer on her own

You’ve not seen her for nine months
Another four won’t be so bad
Don’t pop round to cheer her up
Leave her lonely and sad
Don’t invite her round for dinner
To share in the good cheer
You might well give her Covid
And she’ll be dead before new year
Don’t kiss your gran at Christmas
It might be the kiss of death
Don’t even try to hug her
She could die just from your breath
Don’t kill your gran at Christmas
Leave her all alone
Don’t kill your gran at Christmas
It’s better just to phone

Alternatively what about:-

He’s Santa Claus the super spreader
Bringing Covid and good cheer
He’s Santa Claus the super spreader
You shouldn’t get too near
Don’t take your kids to se him
And sit upon his knee
He might well give them Covid
Then they won’t be full of glee
Don’t leave Rudolph a carrot
Or Santa a mince pie
Don’t even let him in your house
Unless you want to die
Block up the chimney
And barricade the door
Don’t let him deliver gifts
Or you won’t live for ever more
He’s had to cull his elves
Cos they broke the rule of six
Then Rudolph tested positive
Now he’s really in a fix
He can’t wear a face covering
It won’t fit over his beard
And Santa with a face mask on
Would look pretty dam wierd
He can’t go on furlough
He won’t self isolate
Cos he only works this time of year
And it’s work he’s got to take
That’s why he’s Santa Claus the super spreader
Bringing Covid and good cheer
He’s Santa Claus the super spreader
Don’t even let him near

288740 ▶▶ The Mask Exempt Covid Marshall, replying to Matt Dalby, 7, #1293 of 1437 🔗

Yes, the Ulster Fry video is absolutely hilarious and a fantastic piss-take of the whole affair.

I offer you this, to the tune of Cliff Richard’s Mistletoe and Wine:-

The child is alone
The Mum is depressed
The old is gone, there’s a new normal
Fingers gloved, faces masked up

It’s Covid time
Fear mongering and furlough
People hiiiiiiding inside
With queues outside and stickers on the floor
A time to scream at the misery we see

A time for obeying, not dissenting
A time for scaring, not questioning

Compliance, unemployment and hate ever after
Ours for the taking, just follow Matt Hancock.

288760 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to Matt Dalby, 1, #1294 of 1437 🔗

He’s a lockdown zealot who is pumping the need for everyone to take the vaccine. So while he does that, he has time to make funny videos about Covid. It’s OK if your making money off the back of it.

288783 ▶▶▶ The Mask Exempt Covid Marshall, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 2, #1295 of 1437 🔗

Disappointing if true! Still a funny video though, which, inadvertently may discredit his position…

288793 ▶▶▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to The Mask Exempt Covid Marshall, 2, #1296 of 1437 🔗

Yeah, their stuff has always been excellent and the guy behind it is a great guy actually – does loads of positive things for the area. He does love a lockdown though, hates Sweden

288784 ▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 1, #1297 of 1437 🔗

Didn’t know the backstory so I’ll settle for face value. Gave me a much-needed laugh.

288780 ▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Matt Dalby, #1298 of 1437 🔗

Great lyrics!

Don’t kill your Gran can be fudged into the tune of Away in a Manger

Try He’s Santa Claus to the tune of The Holly and the Ivy.

288723 swedenborg, replying to swedenborg, 6, #1299 of 1437 🔗

https://twitter.com/robinmonotti/status/1334989954221568001 Important twitter thread about PCR test. Reducing the genes needed to be tested to 2 instead of 3 was a WHO recommendation and in Italy it was down to only 1 gene making the test very unreliable what it measured. WHO also said that 1 was enough for diagnosing C-19 where there was a big outbreak. See attached picture.

288756 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to swedenborg, 4, #1300 of 1437 🔗

There is also a difference between how to what extent each gene can point to a possible infection I believe. They are not equal.

The best I can say is that these public health dictators decided that it was better to lock down 1000 to catch the 2 that were infectious. Which to any sane thinking individual would be madness.

At worst its a fraud designed to drive the wider pandemic fear machine

288742 BeBopRockSteady, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 19, #1301 of 1437 🔗

Florida Department of Health mandate that all labs now state CTs for every test reported. Big.

https://twitter.com/jhaskinscabrera/status/1335003879952539648

288810 ▶▶ Dorian_Hawkmoon, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 1, #1302 of 1437 🔗

Long after time UK did this. Terrible lack of method standardisation and Ct. Where the hell is UKAS/IBMS/NEQAS in all this? All swept aside. I’m totally shocked.

288750 BeBopRockSteady, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 2, #1303 of 1437 🔗

Naomi Wolf:
“So many people are going to prison for such vast damages, as more of this misleading use of COVID data emerges.”

https://mobile.twitter.com/naomirwolf/status/1335669234727153664

288751 ▶▶ Ben, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 5, #1304 of 1437 🔗

If things tip into global fascism, then no one involved in the Corona Scandal is going to prison

288790 ▶▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to Ben, 1, #1305 of 1437 🔗

I see it in a similar light. It’s either top politicians and their advisors in jail or its dark winter time.

288759 Two-Six, replying to Two-Six, 1, #1306 of 1437 🔗

Live any moment now, Mark Windows-Windows on the world
https://windowsontheworld.net/live-shows/

288777 ▶▶ calchas, replying to Two-Six, 1, #1307 of 1437 🔗

Lots of good stuff on here.

288833 ▶▶▶ Two-Six, replying to calchas, 1, #1308 of 1437 🔗

Mark is bang on the money about the global governance project.

288762 Cheezilla, replying to Cheezilla, 8, #1309 of 1437 🔗

Very interesting watching Subject Access’ coverage of the massive Sikh protest in London today:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SYYU5Eagisk

The police were extremely passive, not provocative at all.

Even when the TSG turned up, it didn’t turn nasty. One guy was arrested and there was a very patient attempt by an officer to explain that he’d been asked ten times to move on:
https://youtu.be/ruz9o2QbRPM?t=64

Once it was time to ask people to disperse and ungridlock the West End, the police arrived in standard blue uniforms. They were eventually joined by some hi-viz guys but there was no riot gear to be seen, not a baton or crash helmet in sight and no aggression whatsoever:
https://youtu.be/ruz9o2QbRPM?t=543

I wonder if/how this wil be reported in the press tomorrow …..

288785 ▶▶ OKUK, replying to Cheezilla, 6, #1310 of 1437 🔗

THE SUN: Hide and Sikh – Dick Khan’t Go in Hard

(Er no, not these days)

288775 William Mccrea, replying to William Mccrea, 6, #1311 of 1437 🔗

How long before they put a ban on go fund me?

288823 ▶▶ Eddy, replying to William Mccrea, #1312 of 1437 🔗

Bitcoin

288779 Voz 0db, 4, #1313 of 1437 🔗

NO… It isn’t label “COVID” that is killing people!
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288786 calchas, 2, #1314 of 1437 🔗

Many globalist ‘experts’ talking about an ‘Age of Pandemics’

https://www.politico.eu/article/virus-hunter-peter-piot-age-of-pandemics/

288792 Allan Gay, 11, #1315 of 1437 🔗

I thought I’d try my hand at some doggerel on the subject of PCR test sensitivity …

That 45’s a huge Cee-tee
Which no one would advise:
The merest tiny fart
Brings tears to Britons’ eyes.

A silent waft in Holyrood
May stir a Scotsman’s kilt
But down in southern England
PCR tests light up TILT!

A toot in southern England
May swell some Channel sails
With catastrophic outcomes
At the Senned in South Wales

And if the Turtle gets confused
Holyrood vibrates
The Krankie is not so amused
To sniff one from her mates

It seems to me the answer’s plain.
Here’s what we have to do:
Just put a bloody cork in it
And scrag a pol or two.

288795 calchas, replying to calchas, 3, #1316 of 1437 🔗

MAINTAIN HUMANITY UNDER 500,000,000IN PERPETUAL BALANCE WITH NATURE

GUIDE REPRODUCTION WISELY —IMPROVING FITNESS AND DIVERSITY

BALANCE PERSONAL RIGHTS WITHSOCIAL DUTIES

BE NOT A CANCER ON THE EARTH —LEAVE ROOM FOR NATURE —LEAVE ROOM FOR NATURE

Georgia Guidestones -points: 1, 2, 8 and 10

288905 ▶▶ Biker, replying to calchas, 2, #1317 of 1437 🔗

I’m surprised some Patriot hasn’t driven a tank through these Georgia Guidestones

288799 Steve Martindale, replying to Steve Martindale, 28, #1318 of 1437 🔗

Lock-downs and bubbles
Much concern locally when it was announced that Devon was going from lock-down to tier 2 but then it happened and it seems to have been a damp squib. Much to my surprise the doughty ladies who run our village coffee morning decided that they had checked the rules and we could resume the village coffee morning and so Friday morning there was a good turn out of villagers for coffee, scones and a chin-wag. The village primary school came out for its weekly outside activity session on the football field, boisterous games, with jostling, excitement and laughter and no face-masks. This afternoon the local theatre group put on a pantomime show in the village hall, limited audience due to social distancing but live theatre nonetheless.

Yesterday I was on a nature reserve work-party, we were supposed to implement some idea of splitting into groups of no more than 6 but that idea lasted all of about 5 minutes and we ended up working much as normal. The village football team was back in action yesterday and this morning saw a good turn out for the village over 50’s walking football session.

Then tonight one of my wife’s music groups has decided that the rules allow them to meet up again and she has gone off with 2 friends to join in a live music session with probably between 20-30 people. 3 of them travelled together in one car because????? they are in a music group bubble? – see para 3, subsection z, article 7 of the incomprehensible labyrinthine lock-down tier regulations!
People seem to be inventing bubbles and interpreting the rules to enable them to do and see whatever they wish. All perfectly OK by me but it does indicate to me that the fear factor has slipped away and people are now treating these tier lockdown regs much as they do speed limits and parking restrictions, an irksome aspect of modern life. Is this the way lock-down ends? not with a bang but a flurry of fuzzy bubbles?

288801 ▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Steve Martindale, 3, #1319 of 1437 🔗

Very appropriate as the “rules” were a load of bubbles in the first place.

288803 ▶▶ annie, replying to Steve Martindale, 5, #1320 of 1437 🔗

Well done, doughty Devonians! The spirit of Drake is stirring, perhaps?

288806 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to Steve Martindale, 4, #1321 of 1437 🔗

Meanwhile in Northern Ireland

288812 ▶▶▶ Ben, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 8, #1322 of 1437 🔗

Oliver Cromwell’s ghost, shaming people for enjoying life. They must be so bitter

288814 ▶▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 5, #1323 of 1437 🔗

I’ll also add this, we are a disgrace. THE CURTAIN TWITCHING FILES: NI ADDITION
PSNI logs show curtain-twitching complaints during lockdown – The Irish News

Carrickfergus: “Large gathering in the restaurant. These people DO NOT all live at the same address. Possible family gathering.”

Ahoghill: “Residents have an elderly woman come round each day who does not live in the household. They also take multiple walks each day.”

Belfast: “I witnessed a van pull up and proceed to groom our neighbour’s dogs.. This is not an essential service.”

Belfast: “I reported my housemate earlier in the day for going back and forwards between her parents’ house in Omagh and this address.”

Antrim: “Non-essential travel during Covid-19 lockdown. He is a non-essential worker currently furloughed. Only today left at the following times: 0855-0910; 1150-1200; 1400-1425; 1515-1540; 1605-1635. Even had five cars outside on Mother’s Day. I expect similar antics over the Easter holidays and will obtain photos accordingly.”

Derry: “Breaking of the current coronavirus lockdown government guidelines as the householder is babysitting for another family.”

Belfast: “A few kids playing together in the Gaelic pitch.. Intermittent sounds. Unsure how many. Can hear them talking.”

288826 ▶▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 7, #1324 of 1437 🔗

Good grief. Most exciting thing that’s ever happened to them!

288844 ▶▶▶▶▶ Banjones, replying to Cheezilla, 10, #1325 of 1437 🔗

Yes indeed! I always think that these who wear their muzzles with pride (and what you can see of their expression makes them look like sheep, with that same mix of fear and arrogance) do it because it’s probably the most important thing that’s ever happened in their very narrow lives.
Perhaps I should feel sorry for them. Unfortunately, they make me boil with anger.

288888 ▶▶▶▶ mhcp, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 5, #1326 of 1437 🔗

I can bet some of these very people just turned the TV up when someone was getting a knee-capping round the back alley

288889 ▶▶▶▶▶ Waldorf, replying to mhcp, 2, #1327 of 1437 🔗

I like the Antrim one, who is either 1) A professional informer or 2) Into journaling.

288820 ▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 1, #1328 of 1437 🔗

No social distancing. How very dare they?!

288838 ▶▶▶ Banjones, replying to BeBopRockSteady, #1329 of 1437 🔗

I wonder which pot all these fines go into?

288869 ▶▶▶ Silke David, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 1, #1330 of 1437 🔗

Looks to me like the break room at the local police station!

288903 ▶▶▶ Biker, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 2, #1331 of 1437 🔗

I’d fine them too, imagine drinking from plastic glasses. If you’re gonna get hammered do it with style.

288906 ▶▶▶ Mrs issedoff, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 3, #1332 of 1437 🔗

I just shake my head in despair when I think of the people who still believe this is about Covid. I am feeling more and more beaten down and just drained of all happiness and hope for the future. Apologies for the defeatist attitude, maybe tomorrow will be better?!!.

288938 ▶▶▶▶ Lisa (formerly) from Toronto, replying to Mrs issedoff, #1333 of 1437 🔗

I hope it is better for you tomorrow.

288821 ▶▶ bluemoon, replying to Steve Martindale, 7, #1334 of 1437 🔗

Thanks SM for this, so good to hear about common sensical attitudes to the insane rules!
It seems to be received wisdom that once shops, both large and small, open then life is normal. But for most of us that’s just a small part of normality, the groups and activities you describe are what’s normal, those are the little things that make up a community and they have been stolen from us this year.
Bugger shopping, I want to sing carols.

288837 ▶▶▶ Banjones, replying to bluemoon, 4, #1335 of 1437 🔗

We’re going to sing carols. We’re going to go to our village church on Christmas Eve – where, no doubt, there’ll be too many people to allow us all inside. So we (two of us) are going to sing carols under the preaching cross. That’s what it’s there for.

288879 ▶▶▶▶ bluemoon, replying to Banjones, 1, #1336 of 1437 🔗

How wonderful, I’m jealous! Here it’s: Ooh no. Better be careful. Well we’re not allowed to are we. It’s not safe. It’s still around you know.

288802 Sarigan, replying to Sarigan, 7, #1337 of 1437 🔗

Revelation Of The Method

There is one question very few are asking. Even on the most obscure blogs or conspiracy forums, we don’t find serious discussion of it.

https://coronacircus.com/2020/11/21/revelation-of-the-method/

I have posted before but well worth a read if not read or a reread.

288816 ▶▶ calchas, replying to Sarigan, 8, #1338 of 1437 🔗

A very interesting blog – this caught my eye in April:

From Northern Italy 2018

“We would like however to report on the strange pneumonia epidemic that occurred in and around Brescia in Lombardy (Italy) between September and November 2018. As you may know, that is also the first epicenter of the current “Covid” epidemic in Europe. Only this one happened slightly more than a year before. It was extremely peculiar, and was extensively covered by the local press. Here were its main characteristics (references will be found below).

Local hospitals were overwhelmed: over 850 people were admitted in a short time span, among which at least 10 died. Astonishingly, the patients affected were 70% male (does that remind you of anything ?). They were furthermore predominantly elderly, or with diseases that involve immunosuppression and/or other risk factors such as smoking. Children were barely affected ( still nothing? ). The patients that presented the most serious conditions suffered from respiratory distress and had to be put on ventilators .

Furthermore, health authorities at the time said this episode was unlike anything they had ever seen .”

https://coronacircus.com/2020/04/23/coronacirus-revisionism-chapter-1-the-strange-case-of-brescia/

288811 Teebs, replying to Teebs, 20, #1340 of 1437 🔗

Can NHS please confirm that DNR/DNAR have also been issued for:

  1. Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson
  2. Matthew Hancock
  3. Michael Gove
  4. Pritti Patel
  5. Neil Fergusson
  6. Patrick Valance
  7. Christopher Whitty
  8. Johnathan Van Tam

Thank you,

288815 ▶▶ thinkaboutit, replying to Teebs, 8, #1341 of 1437 🔗

Given their age that should include Blair, Major, Billybot and Mr Palindrome.

288855 ▶▶▶ Banjones, replying to thinkaboutit, 3, #1342 of 1437 🔗

And that Scotsman, Blacksoul or whatever he calls himself. That should save the exchequer quite a bit in the parliamentary expenses account.

288831 ▶▶ Ceriain, replying to Teebs, 9, #1343 of 1437 🔗

Nicola Sturgeon
Jason Leitch
Mark Drakeford
Vaughan Gething
Nadine Dorries
Steven Powis
June Raine

and especially… That Irish bastard who gets kids to advertise the vaccine

288824 swedenborg, replying to swedenborg, 5, #1344 of 1437 🔗

https://twitter.com/Kevin_McKernan/status/1335693902955876355
Kevin McKernan continuing with the massacre of the Drosten PCR protocol. Perhaps explains the pos PCR tests of mango and paw paw.

 “BUT REDUCED SENSITIVITY DOESN’T CREATE FPs”. I present to you Jung et al. Promiscuous primers, not only fails to amplify your targets in some samples, they also amplify things they shouldn’t in other samples. In this case they amplify Water (NTC).

288830 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to swedenborg, 6, #1345 of 1437 🔗

I was literally just reading through his posts this evening, the kicker being that Dorsten was an author on a paper which warned against an assay being included in RT-PCR protocol that led to water returning positives. This was in 2018 I think.

This is absolutely amazing stuff from McKernan
Kevin McKernan on Twitter: “After reading these 4 papers discussing how water samples are positive and the RdRp assay needs replacing…. Tell me again how we should encourage 24hr. review with COIs.” / Twitter

288825 calchas, replying to calchas, 14, #1346 of 1437 🔗

Looking around carefully to try and find a pandemic anywhere, one is reminded of this from Orwell’s ‘1984’:

“The party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command”

288829 ▶▶ James007, replying to calchas, 10, #1347 of 1437 🔗

I read the book many years ago, it made such an impression on me I haven’t forgotten it. There are many parallels.

288827 Maccynic, replying to Maccynic, 5, #1348 of 1437 🔗

So what’s the point of giving a MRNA vaccine to produce spike protein s? Your immune system will produce antibodies to the real virus or the vaccine produced spike proteins. Same thing. No death. Those at risk, who can’t raise antibodies to the virus, are unlikely to raise antibodies to the vaccines spike proteins. What’s the point of the vaccine?

288840 ▶▶ Stuart, replying to Maccynic, 2, #1349 of 1437 🔗

Polyethylene glycol is the point of the vaccine.

288896 ▶▶▶ George L, replying to Stuart, 1, #1350 of 1437 🔗

Could be handy in the frosty weather..

288828 p02099003, 9, #1351 of 1437 🔗

Just to emphasise, I have given some advice to Tommo which I would normally never do but this is the exception as I have a low threshold for concern when it is a child, very low threshold for a preschool infant and significantly low for a child from 12 weeks to 2 years old. If the baby is under 6 weeks then I am more than likely referring to children’s A&E for paediatric review. Children can suddenly become very unwell, they can compensate for a lot longer than an adult then they decompensate in the blink of an eye.

288832 theanalyst, replying to theanalyst, 29, #1352 of 1437 🔗

I don’t give a crap about Brexit whilst this tyranny continues. Used to. Don’t anymore.

Bet I’m not alone in these sentiments. Boris needs to go. Now.

288834 ▶▶ Londo Mollari, replying to theanalyst, 7, #1353 of 1437 🔗

Same feeling here.

288841 ▶▶ Stuart, replying to theanalyst, #1354 of 1437 🔗

Crashout 21 is the point of the tyranny.

288845 ▶▶▶ Mark, replying to Stuart, 2, #1355 of 1437 🔗

Seems pretty implausible.

288910 ▶▶▶ Jonathan Palmer, replying to Stuart, 2, #1356 of 1437 🔗

Doesn’t explain the tyranny worldwide.Brexit is irrelevant if we leave the EU and are under the yoke of Agenda 21/30

288843 ▶▶ Lucan Grey, replying to theanalyst, #1357 of 1437 🔗

That I suspect is the point. While the hysterical are worried sick about a bad cold they aren’t moaning about Brexit

288850 ▶▶▶ calchas, replying to Lucan Grey, 3, #1358 of 1437 🔗

What about the 180 other countries?

If this crisis has shown anything, it is that the EU etc is irrelevant.

288858 ▶▶▶ Mark, replying to Lucan Grey, 1, #1359 of 1437 🔗

As I noted to Stuart below: seems pretty implausible. This is a global panic, driven and/or exploited by global interest groups as well as national ones all over the world. It was and is being pushed at least as much by Remain types, institutions and politicians as by Brexiteers.

So how could any of this nonsense have Brexit as its “point”?

As far as I can see, there is no plausible connection between the two whatsoever.

288846 ▶▶ calchas, replying to theanalyst, 19, #1360 of 1437 🔗

Exactly, (was Brexit supporter)

I have one damned priority.

I want myself and my fellow human beings to be able to live as human beings.

Until that happens everything else is meaningless.

288861 ▶▶▶ OKUK, replying to calchas, 4, #1361 of 1437 🔗

I think we’ve got a better chance of achieving that outside the EU, albeit the chance is still slim.

288854 ▶▶ Ben, replying to theanalyst, 6, #1362 of 1437 🔗

Hypocrisy of the #FBPE crowd. Their self righteous demonisation of Leave voters was justified, in their minds, by the perceived damage to the UK economy. Now the same #FBPE fanatics are calling for tougher and tougher lockdowns whilst their town centres collapse around them

288873 ▶▶ Les Tricoteuses, replying to theanalyst, 2, #1363 of 1437 🔗

You’re not the only one, globalists have bigger fish to fry right now and have decided that Brexit is just not important anymore.

288886 ▶▶ dhid, replying to theanalyst, 1, #1364 of 1437 🔗

I agree about the tyranny, but proper Brexit must happen regardless!
Yes Boris needs to “do one” – but WankCock needs a bullet in his head – apparently.

288912 ▶▶▶ Jonathan Palmer, replying to dhid, 2, #1365 of 1437 🔗

I hope they betray the Brexit vote.It was the one issue that roused the masses from their slumber.The betrayal may lead to pushback.

288836 OKUK, replying to OKUK, 20, #1366 of 1437 🔗

AMERICASTOFFS

The podcast that tells you the 95% of the news Sopel, Maitlis and the rest of the BBC are absolutely determined you shouldn’t hear.

1. The Fulton County, Georgia evidence is stacking up well. There is video of the secret counting taking place using ballots kept hidden under a table after party monitors were removed from the scene, people being told a water leak meant the count had to be suspended. Video also exists of a USB being palmed between three people (two of whom were part of the secret count). The video ties in with huge 98% Biden spike on 23,000 votes – enough to deliver him victory. Mentioned this last night but since then I have seen no convincing rebuttal. This is the smoking gun I think.

2. There may be a second smoking gun. Multiple sources are claiming that forensic examination of a voting machine in Ware County, Georgia found it had been set up,to switch Trump votes to Biden at a margin of 26%, so Biden was getting 13% more votes than were actually cast for him. This might have been the same on all Dominion machines in which case it is all the remarkable that Trump having polled so well on the day, that the fraudsters had to put in emergency measures to prevent the swing states going Trump . Remember how the five states all suspended counting at the same time – itself an unprecedented and highly suspicious, and seemingly co-ordinated move.

3. A Congressman is alleging Stacy Abrahams coordinated the fraud in Georgia. Ironically the BBC has always been happy to amplify Stacy’s claims that she was unfairly robbed of victory in a previous contest, and her refusal to accept her defeat.

4. The Trump Team have filed over 1000 sworn affadavits with courts detailing fraud and malpractice on pain of perjury charges if falsely made. Most striking to me is the consistent pattern suggested across all five contended states: the suspicious closing down of counting around in the evening; the sudden Biden spikes in the small hours – statistically highly improbable or even impossible; exclusion of Republican monitors or making it impossible for them to observe the count; mail ballot fraud; and the presence of the dodgy Dominion machines.

5. It’s highly suspicious that the MSM including of course Sopel and the BBC are not reporting any of this. They only mention cases tossed out by PC-Leftist judges.

288882 ▶▶ annie, replying to OKUK, #1367 of 1437 🔗

Drop it, dead ‘un.

288939 ▶▶▶ OKUK, replying to annie, 2, #1368 of 1437 🔗

More alive than ever as you will soon find out.

288899 ▶▶ Stringfellow Hawke, replying to OKUK, 7, #1369 of 1437 🔗

Good stuff. Thanks.
Just to expand on a couple of these:

2) You might recall in 2016 an effort was coordinated to force recounts in key battleground states – Michigan, Pennsylvania, Wisconsin; traditionally strongholds for Democrats particularly at local level, with strong party machines, states which a Republican (certainly not a Trump!) shouldn’t win.. Those recounts were dropped quietly when it emerged that Trump gained votes. quelle surprise these states feature prominently again in 2020.

3) Stacy Abrams to this day refuses to admit she lost an election in Georgia, and claims it is all because the system is racist. Nothing to do with the fact that she ran on being able to run the economy – despite being hundreds of thousands in debt; & was the subject of multiple ethics investigations. Nothing to do with apparent voter intimidation, with black panthers armed with AK-47’s patrolling the streets on her behalf while she said she wanted to eliminate assault rifles.
In 2018 days after the Gubernatorial election, a number of Georgia counties ‘found’ several thousand votes, an exceedingly large % turned out to be Abrams…this continued little by little with Abrams filing lawsuits attempting to block certification, as votes were still trickling in. apparently. Anyway election was certified, she lost by over 50,000 votes in the end – to which she blamed “Russia” for voter suppression. Is there a pattern here, by any chance?! 🙂

5) as to being “highly suspicious” that the mainstream media, BBC, refusing to report this – I’d be ‘highly suspicious’ if they did some actual, y’know, journalism!

288940 ▶▶▶ OKUK, replying to Stringfellow Hawke, 4, #1370 of 1437 🔗

Thanks for the correct spelling of Stacy Abrams!

If the MSM thought they could pile in and demonstrate convincingly that the allegations of electoral fraud were a pile of poo they would do so in a heartbeat. The fact they haven’t suggests to me they know there is substance to the allegations. The BBC has a huge news op in the USA but I haven’t seen a single report where they’ve gone and interviewed someone who has signed an affadavit alleging electoral fraud or malpractice.

288941 ▶▶▶ OKUK, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 3, #1372 of 1437 🔗

Absolute c-rap.

Firstly the GA elections manager has already been outed as a mad anti-Trumper (tweet proof) who , as such a partisan figure, should never have been let near the election count.

Secondly there is absolutely no detail in the denial from the GA Sec of State, just assertion. Also it does not address the issues relating to secret counting and the video showing the palming between three people (including two officials involved in the secret count) of a USB during the count.

288917 ▶▶ TheBluePill, replying to OKUK, 5, #1373 of 1437 🔗

Thanks for this. I think this is really important and is linked heavily to Coronabollocks. It shows the lengths that these people will go to to get their own way (usually to get their way in their war on CO2).

It was clear to me, watching the results come in, just what they were up to, they must have been really desperate when they had to suspend the counts and switch to the emergency plan. I have seen two statistical analyses where, assuming the data was correct, the results were clearly manipulated – one analysis used Benford’s law to show manipulation. The other showed that the one constant in the voting figures – the proportion of postal votes between candidates – suddenly got skewed when it was clear Trump was winning. The postal vote proportion should have been constant because the votes were essentially shuffled by the postal service. The clear violation of Benford’s law shows this was a last-ditch fraud as they could have tried to evade this if they had the time.

Because this is censored almost immediately, it is hard to be sure that the analyses are genuine, but they do seem pretty convincing. The way that the worldwide MSM just ignores it until they can report on a court case being thrown out is also deeply suspicious. The MSM could easily use their own statisticians to refute these analyses if they were invalid.

If the Democrats have committed a fraud on this scale then they have compromised themselves enormously – imagine if an enemy state managed to hack out some concrete proof of this and use it as blackmail.

288942 ▶▶▶ OKUK, replying to TheBluePill, 3, #1374 of 1437 🔗

Absolutely. I really wouldn’t post on US elections unless I thought it was crucial to what will happen re lockdowns, masking, vaccination and digital passports.

All your comments are valid.

I think the best outcome now would be for the Supreme Court to order the states to rerun their elections using paper only ballots and with certain restrictions on mail ballots ( eg to be received by election day). I think that is feasible if the Supreme Court orders federal officials to oversee the process. SCOTUS would have to override some legislative deadlines but I believe that have the power to do so. This could all be arranged so as to meet the 22 Jan Inauguration deadline,

288839 calchas, replying to calchas, 8, #1375 of 1437 🔗
288894 ▶▶ Darryl, replying to calchas, 4, #1376 of 1437 🔗

The Met Police should stop beating up innocent protestors whilst they turn a blind eye to Christmas shoppers. One day the peaceful protestors might just fight back and the TSG will deserve everything they get for the months of tyranny they have imposed. It isn’t exactly hard to police an anti lockdown protest, just let them march and then they go home within a couple of hours.

288842 swedenborg, replying to swedenborg, 5, #1377 of 1437 🔗

The solution for the European nations to reduce the C-19 “cases”. Use the antigen test. Spain’s reduction of C-19 recently due to that. Many will follow incl Sweden

https://twitter.com/BrianvLowe/status/1335707080133660673

“The €5 antigen test could have been used from the beginning to keep a lid on C19. But it wasn’t the Gold standard, AKA no gold in it for us. Sweden now using antigen in some regions”

288848 ▶▶ Ben, replying to swedenborg, 18, #1378 of 1437 🔗

How about we just scrap the tests and live our lives?

288881 ▶▶▶ annie, replying to Ben, 10, #1379 of 1437 🔗

How about they let us?
How about we do it whether they let us or not?

288883 ▶▶▶ OKUK, replying to Ben, 2, #1380 of 1437 🔗

Agreed, we only need targeted testing in places like hospitals care homes when someone exhibits clear Covid symptoms.

288913 ▶▶▶▶ Rowan, replying to OKUK, -1, #1381 of 1437 🔗

We need to test for the flu, instead of Covid and that would likely solve the problem all by itself.

288909 ▶▶▶ Rowan, replying to Ben, 5, #1382 of 1437 🔗

We just need the crooks in government to renounce their oaths of allegiance to Bill Gates, then return the very generous cash incentives and your plan will likely be a goer. For now though, refuse to wear masks, decline to be tested and most of course avoid the dodgy vaccines, as though your life depended on it, which it probably will.

288871 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to swedenborg, 1, #1383 of 1437 🔗

Market-Ticker – The Market Ticker (market-ticker.org)

This guy called it early. He said that all they would have had to do was issue the tests from Day 1 and there would have been no pandemic. He is of the opinion that because they didn’t, and also ended some early seroprevalence studies in the US, there are clearly other agendas to the fore.

288897 ▶▶▶ Rowan, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 5, #1384 of 1437 🔗

It’a a long planned and well telegraphed agenda to bring about massive global depopulation. Gates’s vaccine experiments have left a trail of suffering painful disability and death across Africa and India, but no one really bothers, money talks no doubt. Gates has been telling us for years what he is up to, but still people will tell you what a great guy he is.

288872 ▶▶ theanalyst, replying to swedenborg, #1385 of 1437 🔗

If they feel the need to test, I agree this test is better.

288893 ▶▶ Rowan, replying to swedenborg, 6, #1386 of 1437 🔗

The quickest way out of the Covid scam is to stop the testing altogether and hey presto it’s all over. As for the unnecessary hardly tested and liability free Covid vaccines, only the very gullible will be bearing their arms, for injection with this depopulating junk.

288851 James007, replying to James007, 34, #1387 of 1437 🔗

I’ve just seen that video of the man in his 60s being dragged to the ground by police. He appears to have an anxiety attack, and screams with distress. The video is 3 minutes long, and prior to the incident he appears to be committing the apparently heinous crime of standing peacefully with a couple of other people. In the background, there appear to be dozens of police officers, standing around. The fact that they are all masked, like bank robbers makes it even more disturbing.
It appears that protesting about lockdowns is extremely dangerous to public safety, other activities such as market trading or gathering to watch buskers is apparently fine.

I will never believe anyone who tells me that we need more police officers. Or that the police service is underfunded. I will never believe anyone who says we ought to be proud of our police service.
We need to regularly remind people that the Conservative Party, and this government bear HUGE blame for the fact that our police service has completely forgotten its role. It is failing in its duties. Individual officers are hiding behind the ‘only following orders’ defence, and we all know where we have heard that before.
This is not acceptable.

288864 ▶▶ Banjones, replying to James007, 10, #1388 of 1437 🔗

Do you remember just a short while ago, we were pleased when Priti P said she was going to give us a couple of thousand extra police officers? We thought they’d be on our side, like in the good old days (last year) and it never occurred to us they’d be introduced as weapons.

288865 ▶▶ Ben, replying to James007, 17, #1389 of 1437 🔗

I’ve read quite a few comments on social media from people who say they’ve lost respect for the police.
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288884 ▶▶▶ calchas, replying to Ben, 5, #1390 of 1437 🔗

To answer Julia’s question:

Because the government want the consumer drones to keep the economy ticking over, while at the same time punishing mercilessly any attempt by people at social action to protest their grievances.

288878 ▶▶ OKUK, replying to James007, 13, #1391 of 1437 🔗

We need a populist party that will make clear it will legislate to take retrospective action against anyone, private individual, politician or public employee found guilty of gross breaches of our natural human rights. It has come to that I am afraid. The differential policing going on is completely unacceptable.

288887 ▶▶ Rowan, replying to James007, 12, #1392 of 1437 🔗

The Police Force is now little more than a the Covid Enforcement Unit. Nothing else seems to matter to these thugs in blue.

288929 ▶▶▶ James007, replying to Rowan, 2, #1393 of 1437 🔗

It has been officially decided that the Covidian faith is the righteous cause. Covidian practices, particularly masks, hygiene rituals, social isolation and economic penance are signs of virtue.
Lockdown scepticism is heracy. It is dangerous.
Even the CofE seems to regard Covid as a greater force than the Holy Spirit, and covidian practices as more sacred than the sacraments.

288937 ▶▶▶▶ Ben, replying to James007, #1394 of 1437 🔗

I find the CofE’s stance confusing and hypocritical when lockdown rules are banning congregations

288857 John Galt, replying to John Galt, 3, #1395 of 1437 🔗
288862 ▶▶ calchas, replying to John Galt, 6, #1396 of 1437 🔗

I just watched that for the first time.

Despite all else that has happened in the last few months – I am gobsmacked, although I know I shouldn’t be.

Covid Britain.

This will not end well – nor should it.

288868 ▶▶▶ Banjones, replying to calchas, 3, #1397 of 1437 🔗

For the first time ever, I am glad that I don’t have my parents any more.

288877 ▶▶ John Galt, replying to John Galt, 2, #1398 of 1437 🔗

So it seems that this video is the precursor to the video of the woman being arrested for taking her mother out of the care home:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-humber-54801702

288914 ▶▶ Leemc23, replying to John Galt, 3, #1399 of 1437 🔗

Wow. Just wow. When did we as a society decide to treat our older people like this ?

288867 BeBopRockSteady, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 4, #1400 of 1437 🔗

Predictive performance of international COVID-19 mortality forecasting models Lots of interesting things in here. However this stood out for me. Imperial College Modelling was shown to be widely out as you got further into the weeks. When compared to other models, it is so different, it begs the questions as to why it is so alarmist?

This one was in relation to mortality modelling.

Predictive performance of international COVID-19 mortality forecasting models | medRxiv

288875 ▶▶ annie, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 9, #1401 of 1437 🔗

I’m no statistician, but one thing that was always obvious is that Ferguson knows that the biggest corpse count gets the most attention. It doesn’t need to be even remotely connected to reality or probability, and it has no need to be correct or even plausible. Just big.

288885 ▶▶▶ Liam, replying to annie, 7, #1402 of 1437 🔗

Ferguson is a criminal lunatic.

288895 ▶▶▶ Achilles, replying to annie, 2, #1403 of 1437 🔗

For all it’s formulas and algorithms and coding Ferguson’s model for every scenario it’s ever been applied to can be reduced to one simple statement. “If you don’t do anything thousands will die.”. The actual figures it supplies can never be proven or disproven. Ferguson has only one hypothesis, the model is just a piece of technical convolution to give it weight.

288876 ▶▶ calchas, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 5, #1404 of 1437 🔗

Why so alarmist?

Because the agenda demanded it.

288890 ▶▶▶ dhid, replying to calchas, 3, #1405 of 1437 🔗

“Why so alarmist?
Because the agenda demanded it.”

..and Ferguson is an utterly useless cunt.

288892 ▶▶ Leemc23, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 4, #1406 of 1437 🔗

Something often forgotten. Ferguson’s modelling was for pandemic flu. Not corona

288900 ▶▶▶ Jonathan Palmer, replying to Leemc23, 3, #1407 of 1437 🔗

Don’t criticise the Model.Mr Pinch will be on soon

288904 ▶▶▶▶ Doodle, replying to Jonathan Palmer, 1, #1408 of 1437 🔗

I was just about to post almost the same comment when yours appeared!

288928 ▶▶▶▶▶ Jonathan Palmer, replying to Doodle, 1, #1409 of 1437 🔗

I accused him of being Ferguson himself once.

288911 ▶▶▶▶ Leemc23, replying to Jonathan Palmer, 3, #1410 of 1437 🔗

That fucking model ruined Western Europe (or aided it being ruined) it is criminal criminal bullshit.

288891 Roadrash, replying to Roadrash, 14, #1411 of 1437 🔗

https://twitter.com/ZNeveri/status/1335688432736202752?s=20

apologies if this has been posted elsewhere. WHO chief doesn’t see the need to get tested after self isolation because he has no symptoms. Fair enough….so wtf are we testing the sh*t out of the nation

288898 ▶▶ Ceriain, replying to Roadrash, 9, #1412 of 1437 🔗

One rule for them, etc.

Don’t ever apologising for posting anything, EVER ! 🙂

There are many, many posts on here every day; it’s hard to spot them all. Stuff being posted numerous times is a good thing (IMHO, of course)

Edit: Hang on; what about this asymptomatic bullshit they’re all going on about!

288901 calchas, replying to calchas, 11, #1413 of 1437 🔗

Further up in the comments, sombody mentioned the German neurologist who maintains that persistent masl-wearing causes brain damage.

‘Guy123’ asked:

“Yes but she doesn’t provide any evidence besides I’m a neurologist with letters after my name and I say so. If we believe her why not all the “respected scientists” who tell us we will all die slowly and painfully from Long Covid?”

My response:

“Because she, in speaking against the prevailing narrative, is risking reputation, position, and possibly income, whereas a scientist supporting the established narartive risks nothing.”

Obviously, any scientist must provide evidence for a claim. However, I considered this exchange worth re-posting, because the principle is important.

Generally, we can see that covidian scientists have an interest in supporting the narrative, because they are dependent for current income on government, sorporate interests or academia, whereas anti-covidian scientists, when not retired, which they often are – making them independent, are taking a risk in contradicting the dominant narrative.

This makes their statements especially worthy of consideration.

288932 ▶▶ Lisa (formerly) from Toronto, replying to calchas, 3, #1414 of 1437 🔗

That’s pretty much what I tell anyone who says, “I don’t know who to believe.” I say, believe the experts who are risking reputation and livelihood. Why else would they possibly contradict the accepted narrative? There’s nothing in it for them and a whole lot to lose.

288949 ▶▶ DavidC, replying to calchas, #1415 of 1437 🔗

Spot on. My degree was in Microbiology although I (eventually) didn’t pursue it as a career.. I’m now semi retired. I have the freedom to use my degree knowledge and scientific background without an eye on employment – and I’ve been against the ‘narrative’ since the early days. The data and facts just do NOT back up the narrative. And yet, in one exchange, quote, ‘On what planet on Earth (sic) do you have a degree in Microbiology when it’s obvious that you don’t know anything’.

DavidC

288915 AnotherSceptic, replying to AnotherSceptic, 7, #1416 of 1437 🔗
288918 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to AnotherSceptic, 4, #1417 of 1437 🔗

Not looking forward to the NHS staff posting their heart felt pleas for people to get vaccinated

288919 ▶▶ awildgoose, replying to AnotherSceptic, 7, #1418 of 1437 🔗

Another fake shaming anecdote being used to manipulate the gullible public.

288926 ▶▶▶ Jonathan Palmer, replying to awildgoose, 2, #1419 of 1437 🔗

This shit show has gone on for for so long we are seeing a repeat of the earlier propaganda.

288927 ▶▶▶ TJS123, replying to awildgoose, 5, #1420 of 1437 🔗

Absolutely doesn’t ring true at all.More Holby City than real life.

288934 ▶▶▶▶ Liam, replying to TJS123, 1, #1421 of 1437 🔗

^^^This^^^

288948 ▶▶▶▶ DavidC, replying to TJS123, #1422 of 1437 🔗

What?! You mean Holby Citty ISN’T a documentary?! Dang!

DavidC

288921 ▶▶ Two-Six, replying to AnotherSceptic, 4, #1423 of 1437 🔗

Never trust a woman who draws her eyebrows on everyday.

288925 ▶▶ Ceriain, replying to AnotherSceptic, 4, #1424 of 1437 🔗

…five more people died from Covid-19…

…643 cases of the bug were reported…

…being treated for the deadly virus…

What a heap of crap!

288936 ▶▶▶ Liam, replying to Ceriain, 1, #1425 of 1437 🔗

Utter shite.

288916 BeBopRockSteady, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 9, #1426 of 1437 🔗

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2020/dec/06/rudy-giuliani-coronavirus-covid-donald-trump?CMP=Share_AndroidApp_Other

Rudy Giuliani +

How many times does this article refer to him not wearing a bloody mask. They are sick.

288920 ▶▶ Charlie Blue, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 7, #1427 of 1437 🔗

Comments also ranting about lack of mask. Superstition is alive and kicking.

288930 ▶▶ Lisa (formerly) from Toronto, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 4, #1428 of 1437 🔗

And how about the governor of Nevada who ALWAYS wears his talisman and still got Covid? He has no idea how he could have possibly contracted it. Virus gonna virus.

288922 Ben, 6, #1429 of 1437 🔗

A genuine ‘pandemic’ would not require this level of skulduggery

Italian politicians are as corrupt as any – deaths *with* Covid to be classed as deaths *from* Covid (ie. lies)

https://twitter.com/robinmonotti/status/1335667915895529477?s=20

288931 optocarol, replying to optocarol, 9, #1430 of 1437 🔗

Does it seem strange to anyone else that DNRs are being encouraged, but everything possible must be done not to “kill granny”?

288933 ▶▶ Liam, replying to optocarol, 7, #1431 of 1437 🔗

Yes. We live in an empire of lies.

288952 ▶▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Liam, #1432 of 1437 🔗

According to the BBC we live in ‘a cloud of fear’ from which the vaccine will release us.

288935 ▶▶ thinkaboutit, replying to optocarol, 4, #1433 of 1437 🔗

They can kill her. We can’t.

288946 NorthumbrianNomad, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, 3, #1434 of 1437 🔗

Utterly stupid article in Unherd, I won’t honour it with a link – “can we eradicate covid like we eradicated smallpox” – even if we could, which we can’t, why would we bother? Because it’s sooooo “vicious” that it’s killed 1.5 million worldwide in just a year.

Context?

1968 flu, over a million dead.

1957 flu, 1.5 million dead.

1918-19 flu, 17 – 100 million dead.

It has killed more than an average season because it’s novel. Thanks to T-cell immunity, the so-called second wave is already a non-event. The third wave will be entirely imaginary.

To hell with these people.

288947 ▶▶ DavidC, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, #1435 of 1437 🔗

On the basis of TOTAL UK deaths this year (projected arithmetically to the end of the year), using Gov.uk statistics, and population adjusted, this year ranks 53 out 0f 70 since 1950 – it’s not even in the top half.

I can provide the figures if desired.

DavidC

288951 ▶▶ Ceriain, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, 2, #1436 of 1437 🔗

Because it’s sooooo “vicious” that it’s killed 1.5 million worldwide in just a year.

Of course, we must remember that number is made up of all the people who have died after having a positive test. They didn’t all die OF Covid.

Your point is, of course, still valid.

288955 Liewe, #1437 of 1437 🔗

Stop Press!! Horrifying news from South Africa! Teenagers are selfishly partying at festivals, having given up most of their school year and missing out on all the usual graduation rituals.

Some poor medical practice has been overrun by teens’ parents insisting on tests for the deadly virus and they have found 20 (so far) to be positive. The “patients” are all asymptomatic.

This is truly concerning, I am living in fear that one of my partying teens might expire from a deadly asymptomatic virus.

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