2020-12-07

1st time first!

Rose early?

:o))

I wonder if the MSM will report this and what Moderna has to say about it??
https://celebritiesdeaths.com/father-john-fields-death-dead-philadelphia-priest-who-was-part-of-modernas-phase-3-covid-19-vaccine-clinical-trials-has-died/?feed_id=11920&_unique_id=5fcc1dc902d0e
Father John Fields Death -Dead : Philadelphia priest who was part of Moderna’s Phase 3 COVID-19 vaccine clinical trials has died.
Father John Fields has died , according to the following statements posted on social media on December 5. 2020.
“Melody on Twitter: “A Philadelphia priest who was part of Moderna’s Phase 3 COVID-19 vaccine clinical trials has died. Father John Fields was first to volunteer when the University of Pa requested for people middle age to early 70s to participate in trials, according to Dialog Catholic News Service.”

A 70-year-old man in the USA has about a 1% chance of dying in the period since the trial started, and the Moderna trials involved 30,000 volunteers. One would expect about 100 deaths in a randomly selected group that size over the period since the trial began.

so what you’re saying is it couldn’t possibly be a result of the vaccine?!

so what you’re saying is it couldn’t possibly be a result of the vaccine?!

No, of course not: I’m saying that one reported death gives very little statistical evidence either way. If 10% of the volunteers in their 70s had died by now, I would say there was very strong reason to investigate. As it is, the way. to find out whether it’s connected with the vaccine is to carry out actual tests.

What all the trials should do (but won’t) is report the total number of people who have died of all causes having been in the control arm vs how many have died of all causes in the vaccine arm.

That would be far too revealing.

But the control group in the UK is receiving the meningitis vaccine! Not a placebo!!

There are no details of any symptoms (or lack of) leading up to his death. Just to declare that he died is totally meaningless.

Looks like healthy 70 year olds have approximately the same odds of being felled by the vaccine than by Covid.

Funnily enough, that’s more or less the case in the UK. In most adult age groups, the additional risk of death from Covid per day was roughly 60% of normal mortality.

That’s leads to a, very much back-of-envelope calculations that the additional of death risk from 5 days social mixing at Christmas is equal to about 3 days normal risk.

Statistics aside, will they and the MSM disclose the cause of death?

Why would they?

we stil hvaen’t had the cause confirmed in the BRazilian death either. THe media said he was in the control group (meningitis vaccine?) but it was not conirmed as the study was ongoing. We need to know

Not sure about that. Firstly, the trial was for people from middle age to early 70s, not hustlers people in their seventies, so that should lower the expectation. Secondly, surely most people who die at age 70 will have been seriously ill with a variety of conditions eg cancer, heart disease, diabetes,Parkinson’s etc for several weeks or months. I think it highly unlikely that seriously ill people would have been chosen for a vaccine trial. So the real measure here would be how many people aged 70 who have not been seriously ill previously would be likely to die in the relevant period of however many weeks. I would suggest the figure would be a lot lower than 1%, maybe more like 0.1 % .

hustlers! Lol fat finger syndrome – should be “just”!

What was the age range and distribution of the volunteers, and how many others have died?

He may have done the world a service by being killed by the vaccine, but I can’t help feeling that he was just a silly old fool.

and here’s a video from a group of doctors
https://brandnewtube.com/watch/ask-the-experts-covid-19-vaccine-now-banned-on-youtube-and-facebook_qIsNohSIeSgfz2J.html

Professor Lim said age was the single most important factor in the estimated risk of mortality, and everyone in the country older than 50 will be vaccinated by the end of phase one.

Whether they like it or not?

I’ll take my chances without (am 54).

Right-o, off to work!

Not for long your not you will soon need your vaccine passport to leave the house

I have still got a scrappy bit of paper issued to me by the NHS listing the various inoculation I had received in the 1960s, never had to show it to anyone as I recall.

With all this talk of vaccine certificates and testing certificates, if I find I need one? I am pinning my hopes on some enterprising young IT wizz kids in Lagos or Mumbai coming up with a range of fake certificates and scam documentation. There is already a big black market in Africa for fake Yellow Fever vaccination cards and you can buy a Covid test result in Bangladesh. Surely somebody, somewhere is already working on this?

A fake vax card is already jokingly being talked about. By absolute sheer coincidence, of course, I published the photo of the governments vax card on an anti-Lockdown Facebook group I am an admin. of – just out of interest you unnerstand.

Which group is that, Eliza? I’d like to join if I’m not already a member

Can they extract fluids or otherwise examine people to see if they have actually been vaccinated?

‘Extract fluids’? That’s what the government have been doing to all of us since March 2020! I prefer to call it ‘taking the p***’!

Unfortunately it will all be based on blockchain technology making it almost impossible to use a fake pass. Remember this will all be digital ID. It will be scanned at airports or even train ticket barriers. Blockchain will ensure each and every pass will be unique.

That assumes everyone has a smart phone young enough to carry the pass. Many sceptics will either say they haven’t got such a phone or will genuinely not own one, don’t you think?

They’ve already said there’d be paper ones. Can’t expect 80 year old pensioners choosing between food and heating to cough up for a smartphone so they can prove they’ve been given the mark of the beast.

My daughter at age 15 used to have a fake Irish driving licence indicating she was 19…it was replete with misspelling of licence as in American English.

The cards will be easily forgeable I suspect but a digital passport linked to your phone could be a lot more secure.

The east european organised criminals will be all over it. Relax.

me too, was remembering reading about all the forged papers used by the french resistance .

That may come, but it will need some big changes to make it legal, but give it a year or so and those who have been vaccinated will not be going anywhere, either.

I’m also happy to take my chances and am absolutely fuming that because I’m 60 will probably going be hounded and hunted by the NHS to have this damn vaccine. This is despite not being overweight or having any health problems whatsoever and in fact I’m a lot fitter then some people half my age.

My first thought also but as the full roll out keeps getting pushed back at least there might be a chance of short term side effects emerging before compulsion becomes reality.

I don’t think anyone who isn’t considered clinically vulnerable will ever get this jab and only a small number of them will get this before it is withdrawn because it kills people. Whether they will be able to get people to then take the Astra Zeneca jab will be interesting.

Phase 1 will probably last up to next Christmas.

The Telegraph are reporting that immunity as a result of the vaccine might only last three months, so if it takes that long they’ll have to just keep vaccinating the same people over and over again.

Forth Road bridge vaccinations.

Such a system seems unworkable to me and likely to collapse if they attempt it.

Totally agree, but it means the idea of vaccinating the whole country is a non-starter. Julia Hartley-Brewer was interviewing a doctor the other day and he reckoned it would take 23 months to do that. Even if the Telegraph claims are incorrect, we couldn’t afford nearly two years more of repression.

My MP assured me that Richi Satan’s furlough scheme will save the economy.

Another Boris bridge? Makes the Scotland-to-Ireland one sound quite feasible.

$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$

Is it even licensed yet?

No, it’s authorised as an ’emergency’.

Well I won’t be, so that’s not “everyone” . And I know I’m not alone. A risky vaccine containing god knows what – or a tiny chance of catching a virus with a 99.96% chance of survival? Easy choice.

They can do one!! My body My freakin choice!

Yes, I noticed that. What happened to ‘offer’.

I have no intention of becoming a crash test dummy for this bunch of Dr Frankenstein’s….
I am 67 and I am 95% sure I contracted this virus back in early January. Flu like symptoms and a persistent cough that wouldn’t shift for a few weeks. We thought it was just another bug that was going around after Christmas. Many of my friends both younger and older had similar symptoms and our immune systems successfully fought it off.
I consider that I have got a fairly good natural immunity for my age, and I am probably an early contributor to heard immunity.
I am a survivor of the great cholesterol & statins con six years ago. So I am very wary when these so called “experts”* say that everyone over the age of 60 should be mass medicated or vaccinated.
I have no intention of accepting an experimental vaccination. The benefits of which are dubious to say the least and far outweighed by the unknown risks of an incompletely tested vaccine. My immune system works well enough for me with a daily supplement of 4000 iu vitamin D3.

*expert – Noun – X the unknown quantity spurt a drip under pressure. (See also – Twat)

Worried me too!

The only people who won’t have a choice are the people who have been abandoned in care homes by their children.

It looks like the UK Government backed out of sticking the needle to NHS staff first because of the size of the refusal.

Forget Dangerous Infertility Causing Vaccines, Covid-19 Is Prevented By The Humble Pineapple (Say Researchers)

Message to Professor Lim: fuck off, we won’t all be vaccinated, you presumptive little twat. I haven’t had and won’t have the flu vaccine. I won’t have this one either, thanks. I’ll trust to my natural immunity and once that packs up I’ll know it’s time to die.

The immunity passport bit made my laugh. Not a “funny haha” laugh, but a “these people are insane haha” laugh. Think about it: They caught on to the idea that people will not accept restrictions based on vaccination. It will not happen (at least, for now). So, ok, let’s settle for less. If we can’t impose this on all people, what the next largest population that we can target amidst a pandemic that barely affects anyone? I know! People that have not had the virus! So in a world where getting the virus is pretty rare, your only other option is to get a vaccine. These people… i swear. They could give lessons on evil machinations to Machiavelli himself.

We are just being treated like livestock now.

Correct, that’s exactly the way the (real) perpetrators of this scam view us.

Doesn’t help that many people are behaving like sheep.

Actually, sheep are quite intelligent, so that’s an insult to the real sheep.

Machiavelli was not evil, he was pragmatic. That was the whole point. The purpose was to consolidate the rule of the prince. Dissimulation was acceptable if it served that purpose. There is absolutely zero doubt that, if Machiavelli had been in charge this year, he would have told the government to keep the economy running normally in order to steal a march on rivals, to lie about the number of deaths (ie claim it to be as near zero as plausible), censor all discussion of the virus and to let it run its course. In other words, Machiavelli is – unfortunately- in charge only in the PRC.

Good point.. Xi Jinping has probaly told Klaus.. yeah yeah sound good. We defnite on board yeah with smaller economy and windfarms.

ha ha yeah. definite. promise.

Klaus does what he is told.
The Emperor of China does what he likes

Are they still building a coal power plant every week in China?

Is that Santa Klaus?

Machiavelli was also clear that a prince was not his preferred form of government. He wanted a republican system.

Yes, he would be much better than the twots we’ve got in the current situation.

Very interesting and exactly on spot comment. More nations are bound to go into that road. Eastern European nations(first those outside EU) would be highest on the list among the developed nations outside the third world. There are many precedents incl. in Ethiopia where a certain Dr Teodoros, health minister at the time, covered up cholera outbreaks stamping them childhood diarrhoea.

Some of us aren’t going to the shops because of the ridiculous rules and restrictions.
I’m not scared of the virus or other people but I don’t want to be harangued for not wearing a mask, I don’t want to do a stupid dance with people trying to distance from them and I don’t want to be cattle herded round a one way system or whatever other nonsense is put in place.

Lift all restrictions and declare the virus ‘defeated’ and you’ll begin to see the retail sector revive much quicker.

Same for me – I go to our local Co-op where they’re not anal about masks. I wear a lanyard downloaded from the gov. site. It is specifically non-medical as I won’t lie. Very occasionally we go to a garden centre/farm shop nearby. I try to be smiley to the zombie maskoids just to make the point that masks are abnormal, etc. Mostly, I just want to take a baseball bat to their masks. (Did I say that out loud?)
Our shopping is all bare minimum stuff now. I will not go shopping for any non-essentials or to a pub or restaurant or cafe or hairdresser until masks are voluntary. I think you’re right, to be honest, and we aren’t alone in our dislike (for me, hatred) of the ridiculous shenanigans one is expected to employ in shops. If it stops you and me shopping, it stops others, too.

Hatred, yes. I never go near a shop unless I have to, and then it will be a shop that I know is run by humans, even if forcibly nappied. But I can’t get away from the nauseating nappyzombies.

I never knew I could loathe something so much! Just one glimpse of a mask and I can feel my BP rising. My long-suffering husband tries various ways to calm me down so that now, he’s more of a handler than a husband. Poor thing…

Yes, me too. It’s odd isn’t it. I just can’t stand them. If I was overtly religious I’d think Satan had won.

Masks stand for everything we shouldn’t be as human beings: blind compliance; virtue signalling; cowardice (especially cowardice); herd mentality; scientific ignorance; gullibility … the list goes on.

I HATE MASKS. And I can’t even bring myself to look at anyone who’s wearing one, or at least to take them seriously.

Agree , blind compliance in a Labrador, great – in human beings?? Shudder.

I think the ones I hate most of all are the ‘pretty’ patterned ones because the wearers have validated masks by actually choosing a pattern. At least the hideous blue things look like they’ve been bought as a ‘oh well, if I have to I’ll buy this cheap pack’ type of thing. A curse on the all!

No, the pretty patterned ones are easier to make slits and holes in so you can breathe .

Why don’t you just not wear one?

Agreed and I have never worn a mask or been challenged. I guess it helps to be seventy something, even if I don’t think I look that decrepit.

The main problem with masks, is that other people still wear them, clearly showing a level of stupidity and a lack of awareness that has to be seen to be believed.

Hehe.

That’s true. ‘Look at me in my pretty patterned mask. Aren’t I a good person with good fashion taste …’.

Actually the ones I hate the most are the big black things – I guess the latent perverts wear those.

Yep, I hate those pervert black ones as well. Mind you, I watched a big chap lumber out of his car, head for the shop and fish out the filthiest ‘white’ rag from his pocket. Honestly don’t know which was worse – black pervert or filthy white.

My husband was issued with them in the Tesco warehouse where he works about 3 weeks ago. He has to wear one in corridors etc. but not in general. He got given 4 I think. He has yet to give me one to wash!!! And as for the one he keeps in the car….

I sew a lot but I refused to make them from the beginning. I hate seeing the adverts on Facebook etc. for these oh-so-pretty masks. I’ve always thought that if the government wants us to wear them then they should provide them, free of charge, and just the blue ones. I look round the shops where virtually everyone is wearing one and think – do all these people really think they are doing some good? Or are they just wearing them because they’ve been told to? I think the latter in many cases. In which case all they have to do is stop wearing them! I have never worn one and the only shops where I have had trouble were charity shops. Never in the supermarkets.

Same

Feel every bit as strongly myself…..and what I am increasingly noticing is how they are becoming normalised in the media. You cant switch on a computer and go to your e mail page without seeing some masked politician or celebrity and they are increasingly used in adverts on TV. Many TV adverts use cartoon characters now as they are cheaper than people and I even saw a cartoon character with a mask on on one.

I was horrified to get a Christmas card from an American blog buddy showing a masked cat!

The other day I saw a photo of a smiling pleasant faced unmasked woman and I found myself thinking that there was something odd about her, and then I realized that she wasn’t wearing a mask and that I had become so conditioned to seeing people in masks that I instinctively thought it was odd that she wasn’t….

i’m so glad im not alone in my insane hatred of the masks , i keep getting presents of mask s but thye go right in the bag to give away or maybe fabric recycle is better use

I HATE MASKS TOO. Many excellent comments here, and I agree totally with so many of them.
i also can’t stand the Gessler’s hat rejoinder, “stay safe”. Why don’t they just say Heil Hitler? Brainwashed idiots.

I feel like this about seeing people rubbing sanitiser over their hands, I don’t know why but it gives me chronic stresses, makes me feel really queezy. I’ve always felt odd about rubbing of hands (I work at shows where people try hand cream at a neighbouring stand and that gives me the heeby jeebies!) so I’m often found in the street with my eyes shut until the offending hand rubber gets on their bike or on the bus and out of vision. Perhaps I’m just odd like that…

Echoes of Lady Macbeth and the guilt I posted about on here a couple of days ago.

Observing other people in the grip of a trauma-induced OCD can indeed be very unsettling.

I hate that too, and the smell, and the feel of it on supermarket trolleys that have been done.

I too experienced “The Rage” while out with the family shopping on Saturday. It started off well enough with a a stop at a small chain coffee house. But The Rage soon built up as I watched the supine gullibility of the British public go through the parody, the pantomime and pretence of mask wearing. Watching people come and go, pulling the rancid thing out of their pockets and wear it just to get served then taking it off again. I noticed that one woman’s mask was missing an ear loop and she felt that it was acceptable to just clamp the thing to her mouth with her gloved hand.

Of the four staff behind the counter only one was unmasked but I did have a very pleasant conversation about masks with the young girl that made my coffee. I asked her to pull her mask down so that I could here her properly, which she did. Then admitted that she hated the thing and that she had severe asthma. I told her to claim an exemption as I do for asthma but she just replied that it was easier to comply.

My wife, a quasi-sceptic doesn’t like the mask but wears it, in her words, “to avoid confrontation and because I’ve been told to wear one”.

We end up winding each other up. Everytime we went into a shop she “harumphed” at having to put the mask on and every time she “harumphed” I “harumped” back and said, “Just don’t put the fucking thing on if it bothers you that much”. But still she complied. And so it went on.

By the end of the morning I had gone from mild amusement to The Rage and it meant that the whole thing was not a pleasant experience.

Great,I’m doing research into why people want to wear them and you’ve helped! Cheers

Mrs Two-Six literally won’t let me go out alone. Seriously.

The red mist descends, does it?

Reading your comments is just like listening to myself!

In my case it’s my wife who has to act as the handler….

Oh yes, 3.5 seconds……perhaps 4

They always look so bloody miserable too……and boy do they give you a dirty look for never wearing one lol.

The dirty look behind a mask isn’t too intimidating, whereas the unmasked can return that dirty look with added interest.

How can you tell ?

Yet note the guy in the article was still under this illusion that shops need to make people feel safe to make them return. When will they wake up that, for most, it is the restrictions that are putting people off. So they add more…

I think, if I hear the word ‘safe’ once more, I’ll scream! Double grrrrrr!

People signing off emails ‘stay safe’. Oh crikey, I was actually going to jump out of a plane without a parachute until you told me to stay safe.

Always makes me want to do something mad like hurling myself in front of a lorry or throw myself off a cliff, just to do the opposite of staying safe! I hate those ads that include the phrase ‘to help you shop safely’. I say ‘hate’ a lot these days. Not good. There’s a lot to hate at the moment.

Yes, that grinds my gums too. Some months ago I received an advertising email from a local car dealer (I’d visited them before the coronabollocks began to enquire about a new car) informing me of all the measures they had in place to ensure my ‘safety’. I responded by pointing out that as long as they could warrant their showroom was free of snipers, IEDs and armed insurgents I’d hold their duty toward my safety to be discharged. I also pointed out that so long as they continued to perform their ridiculous pantomime in fealty to The Narrative they’d not be seeing a single pound of my hard-earned. I never received a reply. Funny that.

Or when you’re in a shop and you hear, yet again, “We’re doing all we can to keep you safe”.

It makes me want to carry either a machete or an AK-47. If I here that phrase or a variation thereof, I either want to stab or shoot them.

There are signs in my city centre saying amongst other things “Avoid touching your face”. You can guess what I do when I see them.

My favourite response to “stay safe” is:

“Thanks! It’s a 99.97% certainty, after all!”

I’ve replaced “safe” with “sane” and I make sure I let people know it’s not a typo.

Back in July, I think it was July, when mortality rates were at their lowest, it seemed inexplicable to me that the P.M went on a photo opportunity shoot round various shops in his constituency wearing a mask. This was softening the public up for the great mask wearing mandate.

Then I perceived a justification for it. Not enough people were shopping. They’d be become too fearful. Masks would give them courage to enter. Yea, I believe it was one of the justifications given to the preamble to the required legislation.

What a malevolent gene has been let out the bottle.

I also only go food shopping – maskless and usually give the zombies a fixed stare followed by either a shake of my head or eye ball roll. I’ve only been to a few pubs since March largely because I don’t want to leave my name and phone number. Fortunately my phone is so ancient I can’t download the app.

Mmm, me too. That’s what I do on my unsmiley baseball bat days. Do they get it, though? Probably not.

That’s me too! Muzzle free and able to issue a Paddington Stare at the faceless zombies! I’m thinking I will start going to the pub again; if asked for my details I will say no and ask them if they want my business or not… will be an interesting experiment.

I agree. Other than to the big retailer (in the UK) who happily gave me the sunflower lanyard on July 23rd I haven’t been to another -out of the village -shop – my butcher in the village is a sceptic and Talk radio fan so we have lots of good rants when he’s quiet; fish man that delivers my fresh fish from Grimsby market (still open – just) in a van and my hairdresser (when she’s allowed to open) respects my non-mask exemption. Until I can walk around freely I can’t be bothered with all the hostility and gloom.

Perhaps this is exactly what the behavior therapist at sage had predicted and planned for. Win/Win for them and their great reset plan. Either you’re faceless, dehumanised gormless arsehole or like you and me you avaoid the shops because of these restrictions. Isn’t that what they want. Destroy all small business.

That’s been my take on it.

I did a YouGov poll the other day where one question was, ‘When I see people wearing masks outside, I feel…….’ The options were Anxious, Comforted and Other. There was no Incandescent Rage option!
Clearly trying to normalise the ridiculous things outside.

I go shopping unmasked every day and apart from the odd jealous glance there is no hostility.
Exterior queues and observation of one way systems have disappeared.
The more of us out there the quicker this nonsense will end completely.

Same. Mind you, I no longer make eye contact – can’t be bothered. My husband tells me I get glared at. I’m usually looking after my one & three year olds anyway. One thing I loved about moving north was the friendliness – no more. None of those impromptu chats in the supermarket.

I’ve been challenged twice: both times by a certain type of middle-aged man. Fortunately I’m hard to intimidate; smile benignly and ignore.

I see fewer and fewer people without masks, even outside. The more middle class the shop, the more masks: my local Aldi better than the market town.

Please go out without masks.

Yes, never wear a mask. Usually try to encourage removal when people in fresh air. Half the time they keep them on as they are on way to another shop. There is no fun in shopping anymore as mentioned but we have to keep trying so that normality can return and to try to help local shops. Small things like removing huge signs saying wear a masked might help.

I received an email from a garden centre I have a loyalty card with. Hurray! Our cafe is now open again, they trilled, then followed that with a list of rules to be adhered to, one of which was that masks must be worn except when seated at the table. I emailed them and said they had no mention of mask exemptions, and did that mean I wouldn’t be welcome? No, I was very welcome, it seems. So why don’t they state that? My husband thinks it’s because it’s easier to say masks rather than get into discussions about who is exempt, etc.. He could have a point. He’s usually pretty sensible about stuff. I am amazed by the number of people who are in ignorance of the mask exemption rules ie you do not necessarily need to be medically exempt, just freaked out by them.

All they have to say is ‘masks must be worn unless you are exempt’ and then provide the link to the government web page. So many businesses are going to go under because of their own stupidity.

Yes, it’s amazing the lack of nous from some businesses. The big stores sussed it pretty quick though.

Exemptions should be posted in all retail, surely more business for them.

Yes agree. I don’t think many people have bothered to read the government guidelines, which provide anyone with an excuse not to wear one if they don’t want to.

We should not wear masks. We should not wear lanyards (nor yellow stars, pink triangles or any other emblem with which nazis would want to stigmatise us). We should not say “stay safe”. We should not say Heil Hitler.

i’ve been snarling going by those signs but now you gave me a better idea [ and arnie did too weeks ago ] i ‘m going to try my best to cut the plastic things holding up a sign i saw in a park , i hope no one will see me !

“I’ve been challenged twice: both times by a certain type of middle-aged man.”

Me too, it’s bizarre!

“Please go out without masks.”

Me too. My only challenge was on the first day of mandatory masks in shops when some self-righteous middle-aged man at the checkout said sarcastically, “You’ve forgotten your mask!”, to which I replied, “No I haven’t. I’m not wearing one as a political protest.” Poor fella almost had a stroke at the idea of somebody exercising their rights.

Since then, absolutely nothing. Not a single challenge, barely a glance in fact.

I’m on the bus now maskless

You go, Music Girl!

I never wear one and have almost got to the stage where I look forward to any confrontation. I have been challenged twice….funnily enough both times by a middle aged gentleman in a very disapproving voice. Both times I just calmly asked him if he was an on duty police officer. They have to say no of course….then I just smile sweetly and say in that case I am sorry but I am not answerable to you and walk away leaving them fuming.

Nice one. Wear your barefaced smile with pride!

Virtue-signallers are the enemy of humanity. The good Nazis

This is true in my experience too. It’s annoying seeing all the masked up faces but aside from one idiot on day one of the mask rules, nobody has ever really batted an eyelid at my lack of mask or observance of stupid systems.

Approve wholeheartedly but haven’t yet summoned the nerve to try going barefaced in shops. How do you handle the inevitable ‘selfish’ comment?
(Had a blissful visit to hairdressers the other day where most sat unmasked)

Just do it. No one cares, and even if anyone does say anything they’ve abrogated what it is to be a human being, and therefore don’t count.

Seriously, just do it. You’ll feel two feet taller – go on, try it, and you’ll see what I mean.

Ok – here goes; post office first!

I look forward to the report!

There was a huge queue outside the P.O with plenty all pre-masked and ready; the doorway had about 3 notices requiring masks on before entry. I was feeling v nervous and churned up but I was listening to Hitchens on iromg thro’ my headphones which stiffened my resolve, and LS comrades on my phone in pocket. Gawd! I was scared – but I cheerfully asked for my stamps and to post some airmail cards and the assistant didn’t bat an eyelid, and was nice. Was looked at by the queue as I left and stood outside sticking on the stamps as my heart rate stabilised. Will try supermarket maskless in evening when they will be less likely to give a stuff.

See, it’s easy. No one bothers. Absolutely no need to feel nervous at all. You’re a human being, and the rest of them are I don’t-know-what, but that’s up to them, their choice.

Good luck…honestly jane its no big deal and boy it feels better and you can look in pity at the others who wear them!

Just tell them that 2 million years of human evolution is all you need to trust.

Just tell anyone who challenges you that you are (exempt and that, as such, you are) following the law and the science.

You can add an ‘I am not sure what you do’ or ‘contrary to you’, if you want to sow confusion or provoke a further confrontation….

I’ve never had a comment – that I’ve been aware of.

It really does start to feel a lot easier once you’ve been in a few shops unmasked. I do make eye contact with people as you look much more of a victim if you avert your gaze and go around with your head cowed. People will use the bully mentality and are more likely to pick on someone who looks unassertive.

I do make eye contact with people as you look much more of a victim if you avert your gaze and go around with your head cowed. People will use the bully mentality and are more likely to pick on someone who looks unassertive.

Right. You wanna “radiate”, as per Michael Chekhov’s acting technique .

Although intended for actors, the technique is very much applicable to everyday life rather than just to “acting” (as is Andre Bernard’s work which makes a good companion). Worth a look. It’s essentially about “directing” yourself using imagination rather than muscular manipulation, which sounds unconvincing as a concept but the exercises clarify things if you actually do them (chapter four in Lenard Petit’s book). It’s actually what you do anyway, but generally unwittingly and inefficiently.

In the case of “radiating”, you kinda “expand yourself” mentally out in all directions, expand your “presence”, and have that movement sort of be continuous. You may be surprised at how others respond. It’s intended for theatre performances, to “radiate out” your performance into the audience, opening up your attention and your movements out to them, but it has a similar effect in normal circumstances too.

Well, I say “normal” circumstances. I mean “[temporarily!] new normal” circumstances in this case, I suppose.

same with me but it doesn’t mean anything. Just because you now feel comfortable mask-less while shopping that this is going away any time soon. They expected a number of people not too that’s why the exemptions are so easy. They did that for us because they know we will not wear the mask but we’ll still have to do what they want anyway. That way we remain calm and not a threat. I don’t think it’s going away for many many years. A world wide change is coming and it’s not gonna be nice.

There’s much in what you say, and it’s often occurred to me. The exemptions are so easy muzzles are in effect voluntary. That leaves me quite complacent about the whole thing – I just go about my business maskless without bothering anyone. So I’m not a threat to them.

If we we in somewhere like France or Aus or one of those countries where they actually enforce it, it would give me a kick and ensure I was much more active and calculated and devious in subverting this garbage.

Have to agree with you there Mr Biker. The medical tyrants think they have us by the short and curlies now and they aint going to want to let go any time soon.

They have been building up their power base for many years and the majority of the population approved their every move.

You’re right.

However, signalling your confidence in your immune system and showing you aren’t afraid to be non-compliant is at least a start in getting some people to look elsewhere for what might really be going on.
Naturally, I don’t refer to the lost causes!

I think reminding people of normalcy is crucial.

Haven’t worn a mask (except for once and that was for my husband’s cancer appointment) and as the weeks have gone by have discovered I miss shopping less and less. Go to the supermarket but this time of the year serious shopping would normally be happening. Done it all online. Shan’t go general shopping again until the mask signs have gone

I’ve never worn a face covering in the shops, but I’ve changed my shopping habits, not to the retailers’ benefit. I used to dip into the supermarket every other day, buying the essentials of bread, milk etc. as and when needed. Now I just do a couple of larger food shoppings per week, so fewer impulse buys (not that I’m much prone to that anyway). And very occasional shopping for clothes. Today I bought some Christmas presents at various shops in the indoor centre. Some half-hearted attempts at one-way systems at entry and exit to the larger shops. I’ve never been challenged for not having a mask – I do have the blue & yellow exemption card from the government website, printed on paper and attached by me to a plastic card from elsewhere. I maintain a friendly demeanour towards the maskies in shops, though sometimes I aim a dirty look at outside wearers.

Well said. Ditto those that have dystopian rules such as no touching or no trying on of clothes. How the heck are you supposed to know if it fits you or not? Hence why John Lewis lost out on a big sale from me – I needed a coat but couldn’t try any so in the end I went to eBay & bought a vintage one for less than my set budget. Even the alterations meant that I still spent far less than I intended to.

Most of my Christmas shopping is being done online and I’m sticking to a few tried and tested shops to keep myself sane. I’ve avoided my local M&S since that run in with that harridian and boycott those that have signs that say “No Mask, No Service.”

I don’t understand why retailers don’t fight back. Especially the big ones – they have the clout and legal muscle to be able to do so. Instead its left to the likes of small businesses doing the push back while the likes of John Lewis and M&S do nothing. They will eventually pay for their cowardice.

I think the push back in bugger stores, supermarkets is by staff. Note how many are maskless. And the security or staff in big stores themselves do mostly respect mask exemptions and will not pry or push beyond ‘mask sir?’ or ‘mask madam?’ Those who do in my experience get a rollicking if you demand to see a store manager.

Agree. I’ve been seeing more and more staff now not wearing masks even before the second lockdown and during my last shopping trip it seems to have increased.

Social media shaming has also played a part. The likes of Asda having gotten into trouble for harassing a man with dementia along with the threat of boycott and litigation would have very likely too put the fear of God into head office and this has been communicated to managers and staff.

Asda treats its staff appallingly, there was that case last year of the disabled cashier who was fired for posting a Billy Connolley video lampooning religion on his personal Facebook account. Boycott.

Bugger stores! sound intriguing.. I think…

I’ve been hugely disappointed with the big retailers and big players in hospitality. Like you say, they have the clout to try and overturn this nonsense but they don’t use it.

It’s quite clear to us that customers want normality. As soon as we were (tugs forelock here) ‘allowed’ to re-open properly, and despite the rubbish weather, we were very busy. And, quite frankly, if anyone feels unsafe in our shop, every other place in town has gone the full safety route, so they can go there (sounds unwelcoming but I do not want people as customers who feel the need to sanitise my chairs before they will deign to sit in one – yes, this happened on Saturday!).

Exactly. Only the likes of Luke Johnson, Rocco Forte and that Weatherspoons bloke has spoken out. The fact that many stores are empty despite the Christmas rush demonstrates people voting with their feet against all these nonsense.

Even the major museums and venues as well have been conspicuous by their silence that’s why Brendan Cole’s comments were very much welcome. He seems to be the only one from the performing arts sector that’s not popular music that has broken ranks.

And your last sentence reminds me of that exchange I had with a visitor the other day:

Me: Would you like a free multi-media guide?

Visitor: Yes please. Is it clean?

Me (shrugs): Yeah, can’t see any dust. Can you?

I’d have loved to have seen the look on their face when you said that!

With our chair customer, I wouldn’t mind, but she’s a regular and we always pull out all the stops for her. Really annoyed me when she did that.

He looked rather surprised. The fact that I had a cloth in my hand should have been a dead giveaway.

It would depress me if a regular customer did that because of the insinuation. I can see why you were annoyed.

It will be decided that we’re scared of the virus rather than refusal to obey the stupid rules.

I need some formal shirts and trousers this week. Any attitude from staff at Next I’ll be straight next door to TKMax, after that ? Well there’s always Primark.

Yes in the gym I go to, everyone sprays down the equipment after use. And then you still get people wiping it down before they use it!! Christo how clean do you want it?

At my local supermarket there is a person offering “clean” trolleys during busy times. I always decline and I want a “dirty” one, as I react allergic. I make a point of telling them!

She’s obviously heard lots of people (well, us) using the phrase “stick your virus up your arse”, except she only heard the “up your arse” bit, and thinks that’s how you catch it.

There is no evidence that it cannot be caught that way.

I have written back to one of those hotels that whined about being forced to close, stating that they only have to blame themselves and their trade body bosses, if and as they didn’t storm the barricades, but preferred to get bought abd corrupt instead.

I think the large stores wont fight back because its taking small businesses out of the market, which they are happy with.

True but that’s not necessarily working in their favour. Look at all the major retailers that have gone bust or are in danger.

Yes its a few brave small trader heroes. Maybe big business just thinks it will gain from less competition but even their big stores will be destroyed by the switch to online shopping. I feel very sorry for the workers at these stores but have total contempt for the top managers who have zealously enforced the rules.

Boycott Amazaon!

Here, here. I haven’t been in a shop for months. Not because I’m scared, it is because, if somebody said something to me about not wearing a mask they would be looking for thier head. So for the sake of joe public and i dont want a criminal record, i avoid shops.

Same here, I’ve never been a violent person but I do feel such disgust for pathetic masked up dupes. Particularly putting the stupid thing on as they get out of the car well before the shop entrance! I don’t get it how are so many quite so stupid and unquestioning?

I haven’t been into a shop since forced muzzling became a thing. I had to wear one on a plane in the summer and felt so ill with a raging sore throat by the time I landed, that I vowed never again. I won’t shop in person until they are thrown in the dustbin of history. I feel sad for places which have to
impose this nonsense but I’m not taking part. It’s the only way to make sure this stops as soon as possible.

Yes I had to wear one on a aeroplane, over your nose sir!! It was then I discovered I was a shallow mouth breather and I really struggled to get enough air in. Then they bought food around and I managed to make that last till we landed. I used to love shopping but now only go to outside based shops rather than mall’s. They seem more accepting of the I am exempt line.

Theyre brain dead.

Same. I HAVE to stay away from maskers otherwise things are going to go badly for me and the maskers. Guaranteed.

Every nappied face is a reminder of the power of evil of this despicable facist regime.

Our blood boils at the sight of it because we haven’t been brainwashed like the masked moron masses.

Every day the government lies to us and the Covidians lap it up. I didn’t know I could hate so many people so much. The well of anger inside me is beginning to manifest as a huge weight in my chest. Trying to keep it at bay 24/7 but it’s not easy.

I was angry as fuck for most of the day yesterday. Kept at bay but as you say like a tight knot in my chest….I totally agree about how face nappies are such an outward signal of compliance with this vile fascist covidian agenda.
Bastards

Latest crap from a SAGE member “January could see a “severe peak” of coronavirus infections if we “take our foot off the pedal”, a Sage scientist has warned, as he called crowded Christmas shopping scenes “concerning”.
The pandemic is “certainly not all over”, Professor Andrew Hayward, professor of infectious disease epidemiology at University College London (UCL) and a member of the Scientific Advisory Group for Emergencies (Sage), said.
Prof Hayward said he is “concerned” about scenes of crowded shopping streets and malls, adding: “We still have the winter to get through, which is likely to be the time that is most favourable for Covid transmission”.
“We could still see very severe peak, particularly in January, is when I predict that would be most likely if we take our foot off the pedal on this.
“And that would be so sad considering we’re going to be in a stage where we can protect the most vulnerable during December, January, February and start to get back to normal in late Spring, early summer,” he told BBC Radio 4’s Today programme.”

Pure unadulterated evil.

Did it never occur to these idiots that if they shut everything for a month up to December, then when it came to December and the literally non-movable feast of Christmas, everybody was going to be crammed into the shops together (which doesn’t bother me by the way but their logic is useless). Same as when during first lockdown they shut all the open spaces and tried to stop us going into parks, so that everybody was jostling together on the pavements when they dared to leave the house to stretch their legs. If they’d kept everything open, we’d actually have found it easier to keep away from each other.

Here are the rules! You can go out and shop. Oh wait, not all of you!! What you have forgot its Christmas and people have been under house arrest for a month. Them poor bastards who have set up that Christmas market, to have it cancelled after one day because!!! People turned up. These sage arseholes and local councils have no idea how much work and cost is involved in doing this sort of thing and you can just end it because of photos taken to make it look like people are closer together than they are. Oooh people are not social distancing. Well stay at home you twat and let the rest of us get on with our lives.

Nothing else matters to myopic medical scientists…the economy, freedom etc. Thats why they should never be handed carte blanch power.

Thats because it comes under the heading of common sense which these dunderheads lack

What a prat. You have been warning of this since the beginning of September, 4000 deaths, remember. And still fuck all happens. Why don’t these journalists do their job and challenge this bullshit.

Wasn’t it 4000 deaths a day?

They’re not scientists. They’re psycho, sadistic fascism enablers.

Ed, you simply won’t be ‘ harangued for not wearing a mask’ . Very,very unlikely in my experience. At the very most you might be politely asked at the door. Simply smile and breeze through, or tell them, politely, that you are exempt. Its the fact that shoppers rarely see anyone unmasked that is reinforcing the message.

 Get out there bare-faced and proud folks!

You could simply say you have a rabbit’s foot in your pocket.

No member of the public has challenged me, only staff at the entrance and not recently. A chat with an ex-prison officer doorman at one supermarket revealed that he hated wearing one and seemed to know the problems associated with them. He said he also hated to see old people so scared as they approached the entrance.

My experience also.

On the question of challenges https://fullfact.org/online/equality-act-face-mask-discrimination/ says that it is myth that anyione challlenging can get fined .So it says that
“The government advice is not to challenge people to wear a face covering. This is for GOOD REASON. If you do so, you and your employees may be PERSONALLY LIABLE for AN OFFENCE liable on a summary conviction to pay a fine of up £5,000 – section 112 (Aiding contraventions) of the Equality Act 2010.
“AN ACT OF DISABILITY DISCRIMINATION and be ordered to pay any individual who suffers injury to feelings compensation between £900 and £9,000 – section 119 (Remedies) of the Equality Act 2010” is NOT correct.
So that green lights challenges but it then says “ Correction 3 November 2020
This story has been updated to clarify that members of the public should not challenge people for not wearing face coverings.” I can’t see that update reflected in what it says.
I’m sure that there has been a site called “facts not fiction” that laid out the position ( I may be misrembering the name) -can anyone recall it please?

Someone asked about this blog. Link attached
https://www.laworfiction.com/

That’s it . Thanks

If someone gets in your way verbally just say clearly “I have exempted myself” cos that’s what the gov.uk says you can do.You don’t need a card. If they ask twice, they are breaching the 1997 Harassment Act, a criminal offence.

I’m taking steps to going maskless now. Have bought a thin scarf which i can use as a face covering should i need to rather than wrap something round my ears.
At the weekend i filled up with fuel and tried using the scarf. Unfortunately i need a bit of practice as it slid down when i walked in the shop. However i was greated by two cashiers both maskless and no one said a thing. On my way out a lady came in also maskless. It felt amazing!
I’m confident i can go maskless there but the next step is supermarkets. I’m going to try it in a coop perhaps this week so i shall report how that goes.

Well done for having a go!
It gets easier every time.
Hold your head high and be confident. You’ll be fine.
Wear your smile with pride.

Supermarkets are not a problem, honestly. The staff know not to challenge anyone. I go several times a week to a large Sainsbury’s. At the start of mask mandate I was asked a few times if I needed a mask in case I’d forgotten mine. A smile and a shake of the head was enough to stop it there. Only on one occasion were they a bit more insistent (but not at all in an aggressive way) and I just told them quietly that I had ‘a condition’. Not had a word since in dozens of visits. When I encounter other shoppers that I know, they look a bit surprised as I don’t think they had ever thought of me previously as a subversive rebel.

A buff is useful, as a half hearted gesture..

Just exempt yourself

Yes same with me…not remotely concerned about the virus. Just find the whole shopping experience utterly depressing with all the masks and nonsense. When I do go out I head for the woods or the countryside…at least you tend not to see any out there other than the odd loony masked cyclist.

Yep, there is a sane zone at the coast. From the sea to the front things are pretty much normal. That’s been our outing of choice.

All you have to do to beat the virus is stop testing for it. Hey presto its gone and seasonal flu makes a not so grand re-entrance. They’ve been taking the piss for nearly a year now, but next it gets serious, as they are coming for our lives with their crooked vaccines.

me too.im not scared of the virus it ‘s the rules- the masks, being treated like docile sheep , sorry sheep are smarter than people , haven’t been to the dentist either , never go to the dr anyway!

Me too – I hate them, and refuse to wear one. I’ve given up shopping in person entirely as I just can’t stand masks and all the stupid pointless restrictions.

I hate that I can’t take my wife out for a meal, as even if we weren’t in teir 3, I’d be unable to go anywhere that enforces mask wearing.

Remember, masks were brought in as a political gesture to try to get people back to shops and back to work. They have no effect on stopping covid transmission, and were no thought necessary during the first lockdown. If masks work then why social distance and vice-versa?

They’ve become almost a religious symbol now, a sign of government compliance.

I work in the community and I’d lose my job if I was caught without a mask. I loathe everything they represent. I loathe wearing them. Both of my manky masks bear the Swedish flag – thanks to one of the many LS suggestions a few of months ago. I don’t think anyone in any of the few shops I’ve frequented has looked twice but, for me, it makes it almost bearable!

I suspect the Government’s motive is to put people off shopping in order to destroy the economy for the Great Reset, and to promote online shopping which gets rid of cash on the process

Yes Ed, all communal places are grausam..cruel to experience and to behold and

deliberate policy to coerce into vaccination.

Most Important Covid Vaccine video Ever
https://brandnewtube.com/watch/most-important-covid-vaccine-video-ever_QHWDNtfv7MSEbVk.html

If we ever do get beyond lockdowns and masks, I wonder how the economic damage will play out.

One slightly optimistic way of looking at it might be this: If you went to a restaurant and spent £50 on a meal, much of the money would go into the pockets of the staff. But with the Covid fiasco, we haven’t gone out to the restaurant for the meal, but a similar amount of money will be paid, ultimately by us, into the pockets of the staff anyway (furlough).

The day after the restaurant meal, you would have been £50 lighter and would have a memory of a meal in a restaurant. In Covid world, you are effectively £50 lighter (we all pay the furlough eventually) but only have a memory of a meal at home instead. For now the money accumulates in your bank account because there’s bugger all else to spend it on. But it will eventually be taken from you.

So not much difference. It seems to me that an economy in suspended animation isn’t quite as bad as it looks – as long as it can be revived. The danger will be that people will have got out of the habit of leaving the house; that masks will have made shopping so unpleasant they have permanently reduced their spending on real goods; that SPI-B has enjoyed itself too much.

As the owner of a business, I don’t see it like that! We have lost money we will never get back and which can never be earned back. Plus, there are plenty of businesses that won’t ever recover and have probably already closed – for good.

And it’s not just about money either. Working for most, gives a sense of purpose. Sure, there are those who would just like to sit on their arses with the tax payer footing the bill (and, unless the Government just write off the huge debt it’s just created, the tax bill is going to be bloody nasty). This is a point I keep making to those who do the faux-sympathy thing with me “oh, it must be sooo difficult for small businesses” And I think “just wait till they come after your savings and pensions, you won’t be untouched by this, it’s just that we’re a bit ahead of you”.

Well I am now self-employed having been made redundant in the summer. I know we’re all going to have to pay for this.

Same here.

Its small comfort I know, but we can help by supporting businesses like yours, and we know from this site that you are in a small N Essex town not a million miles from Cambridge area where I lived until I retired a few years ago. I don’t get back that way often, even less now of course, but will make a point of calling in when I can. We should all do the same.

That’s really kind, thank you.

“ As the owner of a business, I don’t see it like that! We have lost money we will never get back and which can never be earned back. “

“And I think “just wait till they come after your savings and pensions, you won’t be untouched by this.”

Ditto for me as a self-employed contractor.

Yes, insisting that a proportion of your savings/pension has to be invested in COVID government bonds paying zero (or negative) interest rates and with no guaranteed redemption date.

Not true.

1. Furlough will not pay your full salary, which means everyone gets a pay cut. So the staff loses. What’s worse, some of those people might have been struggling to make it to next month on their full paycheck. What happens to them now?
2. Governments are incredibly inefficient. Those £50 will pass through a lot of hands before they make it to furloughed employees, and each hand needs to be paid. I’m only guessing here, but it wouldn’t surprise me if out of those £50 only £20 make it to where you were hoping they would.

Make no mistake. The only people winning here in the long run are the government and the banks. Even the people who were having a laugh for half a year on furlough will be crying by the end of this.

I always find it kinda weird how people are so shocked when they heard how much a country borrowed and how deep in debt it is, but they never ask: “Indebted to whom?” Answer that question and all will be made clear.

Sounds as though you are advocating some sort of ‘reset’ then!

Exactly. And with regard to your last sentence, the sad thing is they don’t even realise it yet. The penny is taking a long, long time to drop.

Its taking a while for the penny to drop because education has been dumbed down and social media has done the rest, resulting in people unable to think for themselves.

Somebody has stuffed chewing gum in the coin slot.

Let’s just suppose that someone was taking home £2000 but are furloughed and are now taking home £1600. At first glance £400 down, But no commuting costs, no caffe nero on the way in, no lunchtime pret , no pint after work etc. So unless you usually walked/cycled to work and took your own food, you might not be dwon. BUT no employment for caffe nero, pret and pub staff , no car park, fuel, train /bus companies. Everyone loses.

income tax? National insurance? Pension?

And … when furlough ends, no job for them either, especially if the job they are doing at home can be done far cheaper abroad. They are living in a fools’ paradise.

That’s normal interdependence, not the Communitarian ideal of interdependence.

The 1-2 million people who have been made redundant because of lockdown will largely be younger people who spent much of their spare income in the hospitality trade which has itself been wrecked.
A self sustaining cycle of gloom.

Nice one bozo.

Before this whole thing started, young people were upset that unlike their parents, they cannot afford to buy a house straight away, and can only pay mortgage. Now they might struggle even with paying the mortgage.

BLIMEY, how many people could have ever bought their house outright?
Our first house that we bought on a mortgage in 1972 was £5,585.00.
I was on £40.00. a week and back then, the woman’s wages were not taken into consideration.

I managed worse than that – because I never met a man that was right for me to marry and so I had to buy a house on my own salary only. I got caught right at the black spot of still being paid “womans” wages and married couples had just had it agreed that the womans wages were to be taken into consideration. Starter houses shot up in price – as I was competing with couples – and single me was left without a house for years waiting for a stroke of Good Luck to come along and rescue me from rented accommodation. Not one single married couple commiserated with me.

I would have commiserated with you!

Now an average wage barely pays rent. And houses once built for humble railway or factory workers are now bought by young doctors.

Absolutely, the country village where I grew up (Claverley in Shropshire) has an ex council house estate where on a regular basis, houses sell for £250,000 plus.
That’s why myself and virtually every one of my contemporaries have had to leave.

Was that where Mary Whitehouse lived?

They are angling for a removal of home ownership and a complete rental-only market, the same way that homes are rented in Germany, by big corporations. Except that in Germany, you save through a lifetime and then buy a house mortgage-free when you retire. That will be stopped. The elites make far more money from a rental or lease system; there’s a good reason why the Duke of Westminster is one of the wealthiest people in the UK. Computer software is going the safe way, you rent MS Office now, not buy it.

It’s micro-flats (already designed, Google them) for all except the elite. Everyone is to be concentrated into MegaCities and you won’t have a car, just a bike. If you need to travel any distance, it will be like a Hunger Games train system (WHY DO YOU THINK THEY ARE PUSHING SO ABSURDLY FOR HS2?).

The majority of the planet will be depopulated and returned to wildlife for the elites to experience (useful idiots like Packham come in handy here). It’s already planned. They just need to remove the useless eaters (Google “useless eaters Henry Kissinger”)

It’s not as if they are hiding the facts from us.

I see what youre getting at but its a world I want no part of.

Oh yes, HS2!!!
Destroy great swathes of countryside and ruin countless lives to build a totally unnecessary railway, so the “elite” ( hang on, I thought that they were all WFH) can get to London 20 minutes sooner.

Another anomaly!

Someone has to smash it up, Bella …

All spelt out in UN agenda 21/30.
Government policies are being made to fit this.Cycle lanes,ban of petrol and diesel cars.Gas boilers in homesFarmers paid to take care of land not grow food.Its all out in the open.

A slightly serious point: one of the justifications for the ‘reset’ is what you are describing. An economy that has become dangerously unstable and unbalanced. I am sure that in some people’s minds, the logical way to deal with it is ‘controlled demolition’ – and on the back of it to introduce socialism so it can’t happen again (they would argue).

The Great Reset might include destruction of the 60 year ponzi scheme that constitutes the housing market.
Interesting times ahead.

Quite likely true. But they didn’t inform us, consult with us, or obtain prior agreement.

They won’t have a mortgage, they’ll be living in State owned ticky tacks.

And those millenials who still have a job, if they think that if they’re made redundant and that mummy & daddy can ride to their rescue, they need to think again as :

1. mummy & daddy could be made redundant too. Or bankrupt if they have a business and it goes bust
2. their pensions and savings either subject to tax raids and/or lose their value

So to those especially who still think we should lockdown and follow the silly rules, think again as you’re a massive part of the problem we’re having now.

Neil Oliver made the point that it’s worse than that. After all, there’s the danger that this year has set a precedent. Who wants to set up a business thinking that in a year or two, the Government can simply close it down or make it impossible to run profitably? Wherever the money has gone – and a lot of people have diverted those restaurant and holiday savings into other areas like home improvements or debt reduction – the economy is not simply going to bounce back.

Absolutely. If the government is serious about reviving the economy (I can dream), it needs to send out signals that this won’t happen again.

SARS1 2002
Swine flu 2009
MERS 2012
SARS2 2020
it will happen every few years at least

That is worrying. One of the things that convinces me the Lockdown is a load of old nonsense is that 6 of these virus things have come along in my lifetime and we didnt get a darn Lockdown imposed on us for any of them – so why did we on this one? It doesnt make sense. It is worrying that “Lockdown for Virus No. 7 of recent times” might set a precedent though for Virus No. 8 getting the Lockdown treatment – rather than the “Ignore it – it’ll go away” treatment we had for viruses no. 1-6.

That is an extremely important point who would want to start up a business knowing someone like Bozo’s government could come along and literally close you down? I think we will be getting a taste of what the Depression was like, but until the political class starts to suffer the same as we are, nothing will stop this wanton destruction of our lives.

This is a good point about people not wanting to set up businesses for fear that their businesses could be closed down in the future. Under lockdowns vast sections of the economy were closed down including restaurants, so called non essential shops, hotels and gyms, hairdressers. People would be reluctant to start businesses up even if their business would be allowed to operate. For instance, I would not want to start a taxi business because if another lockdown was introduced I would loose trade from shoppers if shops had to close, pub and nightclub goers if pubs and nightclubs closed and from visitors if hotels had to close. This applies to small businesses and big businesses. For instance a hotel chain may not want to build more hotels if they could be closed.

If people won’t set up businesses, this could lead to a loss of potential. For instance, someone wants to set up a restaurant and decides against it. If the person had set up a restaurant the restaurant may have been succesful, created jobs and gave work to suppliers which will not happen.

At least 3 million unemployed.£360 billion of debt for starters.We are in Great Depression territory.

The Quebec government has been taxing staff tips for approximately 30 years.

After two weeks of the gunk being injected into people the mass testing will stop

Mass testing stops and as a result the killer flu disappears

In the new year victory will be declared

The injecting will stop soon after over ‘concerns ‘

The pig dictator will be crowned the new Churchill

Thaty might be plan B – otherwise known as abort abort we’ve been rumbled by the party and the people! Plan A is digital ID and WEF/agenda 2030.

The. ew. i rade. apo,eon, more like.

PS. That one was sabotaged!
‘Comrade Napoleon’, more like.

was the saboteur knee-high and furry, with winsome eyes?

No Napoleon had a plan. More Baron Munchausen (that’s probably spelt wrong sorry) or Walter Mitty?

I spent several minutes trying to decipher that before scrolling down and seeing your update

I do hope that you are right, Cecil B (apart from your last sentence) We’ve seen this happen so often over the last eight months from test and trace to mass testing to the vaccine. Each one has been the factor that is going to save us all. When it doesn’t, we move on quietly to the next big idea.

I hope so !

I think this is one of the most depressing editions of LS I have ever read. I think Mike Yeadon’s comment on the possibility of the nation having collapsed by the time of the end of the vaccine rollout is very much to the point. I also think that we need to give these opinion polls a bit of a wide berth (they were deliberately manipulated during the US election run up). There’s a lot of irrational fear around but there’s also a lot of scepticism. And as for continual mask wearing, where are your priorities going to lie if you have to choose between a useless cloth rag and and actual food to eat? Because that is what it may come down to if the economy continues its collapse and joblessness mounts.

Can it be true that 45% of Brits wet themselves at the idea of coming out of their burrows?
We all know that some do. But nearly half?

I doubt it. I think the polls are manipulated. Yes, there still are a lot of very scared and very mislead people out there, but not that many. I think the biggest portion of the population is just conforming because that’s what British people do.

Very few masks in London now and people speaking openly about their contempt for this farrago.

Really? That is good news.

Do you mean in shops and public transport or outdoors (where not required anyway)

I went to a restaurant yesterday in London.Mask wearing pretty much Ubiquitos.

Let them hide, more retail discounts for us as shops try to attract what little custom there is.

Utterly depressing. The surveys ring true to me. People fall into three categories; in my little experience, majority are in categories a and b, thanks to government propaganda:

Category a: the genuinely fearful “better safe than sorry” (includes assorted aunts and uncles in their 70s, currently in hiding for the vaccine)
Category b: the fashion-followers and virtue-signallers. Too busy/lazy to research, happy to take government broadly at face value, so long as they get to watch Netflix, browse Instagram for trendy home decor ideas and work from home (includes all my middle class, well educated, well travelled friends, and parents’ friends)
Category c: lockdown sceptics (my immediate family, and a handful of tradesmen)

Agree with this broadly. The vast majority in my workplace belong to both A and B. One of my colleagues was trilling about the vaccine and how we’re all going to be inoculated with it. I simply let her prattle on because I’ve given up on trying to wake them with up with facts and logic. Better let them learn the hard way.

Indeed and what a rude awakening it will be.

And it will be too late for them to do anything.

The pro Lockdowners and Sceptics are once again divided into opposite camps similar to Brexit.

Yep and the vast majority of remainers I know are pro-lockdown.

I ain’t.

Neither am I

Nor i. My remainer friends here in Brighton are 95% anti lockdown, but strangely my Portsmouth remainer friends are 95% pro lockdown. I think a lot of it is social media ‘peer pressure’ – they desperately want their lives back and see following rules as the only solution. I have mostly avoided my Portsmouth friends (which is a shame as it’s my first home town) but lucky for me have a really awesome bunch of like minded friends here in Brighton.

I’m a remainer and fiercely anti lockdown.

Yes, spot on. Category B “happy to take government broadly at face value” I would also add that it doesn’t really occur to them to go outside the mainstream press, if they’re reading a broadsheet newspaper then this is especially true as they consider themselves discerning and well informed.

There might be a further category – somewhere between B and C of closet sceptics, people who seem to be going along with it but when you talk to them about it are remarkably sceptical.

Yes, I’m finding quite a lot of B(C)s among my colleagues now.

Mark Twain
“If you do not read the newspapers you are uninformed. If you do read the newspapers you are misinformed”.

I think the majority are just too lazy to think for themselves and rely on the BBC.

I shall include a list of alternative media (UKColumn, &c) suggestions for entertainment with my Christmas cards.

I agree. I’m adhere to category c, although by age I should be in category a

From Mike Yeadon:

“But what do we know about how the immunity from a prior infection compares with the protection given by the new vaccines? And what if you have already had Covid — is it safe to be vaccinated? (Source: https://threader.app/thread/1335513040402444288 )

Does Yeadon know about the World Economic Forum, the Great Reset etc?

He steers clear of anything but science where he is in his area of expertise.He has alluded to a conspiracy as he knows Vallance is lying.

ORB are constantly releasing so called polls which always seem to be dire. Who are they and what is their agenda? Where are the independent polls from Ipso Mori for instance? I hope to God that people don’t believe this rubbish. Masks are bad and always will be along with unproven vaccines.

Opinion polls were weaponised in the US in order to try to suppress support for Donald J Trump. We have to admit of the possibility that they are being weaponised here in order to over-emphasise support for the mask wearing idiocy and other elements of this attempted transformation of society.

They have no problem faking easily verifiable data on national television. Why would they not fake hard to check polls? They’re taking advantage of the fact that most British people just follow the rules and avoid rocking the boat.

Join yougov and you will get one set of political questions if you give the wrong answers you only ever get brand awareness surveys. Try it out for yourself if you don’t believe me

That’s true. Same thing happened to me

Me too!

They’ve been ‘weaponised’ here for decades.

I’ve always been suspicious of them especially Ipsos MORI and definitely YouGov – the questions are always rigged to get the answer that they want.

You Gov is Blair-Remain central. I checked out some of their leading pesonnel once and soon found out where they were coming from via their twitter accounts.

There’s no doubt billionaires buy influence. The allegedly “respected” and “independent” Institute for Government (much loved by the BBC and Sky) was set up after the Brexit Referendum by fanatical Remainer Lord Sainsbury and is stuffed full of fanatical Remainers who pose as disinterested observers of the scene. Lord Malloch Brown, GS’s mate, just happened to head up the company that owned Smartmatics which supplied the software for the Dominion voting machines in the USA.

I am sure that we will find political billionaires or Chinese-Russian-Saudi-Qatari interests behind a lot of these polling companies and then there’s the question of who’s commissioning the polls. I’ve seem how tbis works in practice and there’s no doubt pollsters try and please those stumping up the money – because that’s how you get repeat business.

That Nadhim Zahawi was a co-founder of yougov.

It’s also how you word the question. There was a YouTube vid on this. Things like do you think it’s safe to come out of lockdown or do you want to kill granny!!

Watch the yes minister episode about polls.Sir Humphrey Appleby sums up opinion polls succinctly.

BBC headline:

Weekend shopping returns but numbers down on 2019
Well, duh! And the BBC will be first to criticise those shoppers, anyway.

The BBC wins hands down for their stupid headline. Who writes these things?

Imagine you’re in your late 50’s and you score the biggest gig of your life. You’re made director of your multi billion dollar company. On the day it’s announced you make your 32 year old faux green posho extinction rebellion girlfiriend your deputy.

And your chief executive us a pebble-eyed thug who prates about freedom while loading chains on the employees and stabbing thrm with poisoned needles.

Did anyone else besides me notice that Scouse lockdown enthusiast Joe Andersen got nabbed by the Plod for alleged bribery and witness intimidation? If he is found guilty he might well get locked up?

A link to the story was included in yesterday’s roundup.

Several times. Good news should be widely shared.

I hope that he enjoys his stay. Send him Get Well Soon greeting cards.

If he is found guilty, he will virtually certainly get locked up. These is serious offences.

Can the authors, whom the gods bless, do something about the width of the page transmitted. Quite often, including today, it about 50% wider than the screen available.

What browser and device are you using?

Look for the “view” setting on your browser. Go down to the “zoom” setting and adjust accordingly.

The expression:”Testing, testing, testing ” has taken on a new meaning now,ain’t it?

More like EXTER-MIN-ATE, EXTER-MIN-ATE!

From the main text, our Christmas Market was cancelled a while back, like Nottingham this city was noticeably quiet for a Saturday coming up to Christmas but that was partly down to dark skies, strong winds and cold rain.

Up to about 10 years ago the city centre and approach roads on the weekends up to Xmas were at a constant standstill. This area never had an austerity fueled depression and with virtually no unemployment people had money to burn.
Over the next few years those streets became less over-busy but most put that down to increased internet shopping.

But for the last 2 to 3 years real life crowded Chistmas Shopping was becoming a thing again as people found they actually enjoyed it especially with ever more eateries being opened.

Lockdown has killed that stone dead.

We used to have a wonderful Christmas market every year here in Suffolk but they cancelled it back in March! No one can tell me this attack on our Christmas was not pre planned!

Surely not Matt Handcock’s constituency??

No Jo Churchill is my MP and her constituency is next to his, not that she is much better than Wankok.!

Aldous is ours in east Suffolk, but just supports the party line.

Exactly the same as mine! If they disappeared tomorrow would we notice?

Hmmm, would their families and/or the police notice, that’s the point.

The same has happened here about the Christmas Market and all the locals say it was renowned as being one of the best. And this is Wancock’s constituency.

Mrs & I went to an underground church yesterday. Handshakes, hugs, no muzzles, no anti-social distancing, and SINGING!

What a thing to experience, to be in a congregation of about a hundred, the way the churches must have been in Soviet Russia. We never thought it would happen here, in this country.

During the refreshments afterwards, I looked around at the extraordinary (!) sight and realised how low we have sunk; but to be in that congregation was to experience hope and defy the satanic absurdities of our times. I thought of you all as we sang our hearts out.

Praise God.

I tend more to rail at God like Lieutenant Dan in Forest Gump.

Great post. Little acts of defiance such as this gives one hope.

KBO

I wrote to all the churches locally and even bell ringing is not on their list and standard gov procedure replies. Wish I knew of underground church but glad there are some.

Hey spare a thought for us witches. Wing of wuhan bat no longer allowed. And smokey the cat might carry the rona.

But all acts of love and pleasure most definately are…

I see a very dark future……….

Im not a regular churchgoer but I have enjoyed Christmas services with Carols and would have liked to attend a service, but not if masks and social distancing were enforced.

I will not enter a church which enforces masks or SD, and any church which forbids singing is satanic or craven or both.

That sounds wonderful. The above story about Christmas market and people complaining that others werent social distancing or wearing masks should be the first ones to be jabbed then perhaps the rest of us can live our lives without interference from the bedwetters.

Um..you did say jabbed, not stabbed?

I think the comment about only hanging around for five minutes, was made by a 24-year-old. Poor idiotic snowflake. My scorn knows no bounds.

Sounds great!

Glory be to God. How I wish I could have been there.

Excellent, me too. There is a very good talk here by Joe Boot of the Ezra Institute which deals with the proper bounds of government authority from a Christian world view perspective.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W14_7CUYSok&feature=emb_rel_end

Not going to win me any friends I reckon.

Congratulations on standing up for your beliefs but isn’t accepting the cult like truths of religion without any evidence to back it up exactly the same as accepting the cult of Covid?

Well I’d say there’s a key distinction.

Even if you don’t believe in God, the Christian religion at least has some useful principles by which you can live your life. The basic tenets of it have shaped our society over the years.

The Covid cult has nothing constructive to offer.

No. The traditional religions like Islam and Christianity have a lot more going for them. Art, philosophy, being nice to each other (well trying to be anyway), that sort of thing. Most people know better than to pretend to believe in them literally anyway. The Covid religion is infinitely more miserable and depressing. It is essentially nihilism and very well symbolised by the face mask.

I rejoice to hear this. Are you doing a Nine Lessons and Carols? Our church is ticket only, which is insane.
If you do a Nine Lessons and Carols please use the Authorised Version; not totally accurate I know, but the language is magnificent.
I would be delighted to read the passage from Isaiah.

\\yes, carol service later this month.

I find this absolutely deplorable. Not that you met up for your Sunday prayers but that you have to do it in secret!!!! Absolutely dreadful. This is like Chinas treatment of the Uighurs and the Fallun Gong(I think I have spelt that right).

Surely it is everyones right to practice their own religion in peace?

Please note I say this as a committed atheist.

As a Christian, I love you anyway, for the sake of your LS courage.

Can I ask some follow up questions?

Was this a church that existed before and is now ignoring the nonsense? Or a brand new grouping?

Has there been division in the church if the former?

Do you meet in a church building or another location?

Yes, same church said (in more Christian language) “nuts, we’ll open anyway”.

No division. Everyone was wanting it to happen, but just didn’t want to be on their un-nappied lonesome in a pew, or singing by themselves.

Same church, same minister, same building, pentecostal evangelicals (so not at the soft edge of the Christian community). Most of this rubbish is guidance, not law, so people would just get up and walk out in silence if some loathsome satanist official managed to enter. There is a crypt, so things could be done more securely if necessary, but remember that pre-recorded music is allowed, so you can’t tell from outside the building.

Once everybody is inside, the doors are locked and there is no right of entry without a warrant. Hee, hee.

Sounds great. My church has some true covidians in it so everyone else has to adapt.

I’m glad for youl. I wish I knew of one in my area, but for obvious reasons it’s difficult to find out!

The Christian community is pretty close-knit; just ask around. Even the pro-maskers will know, and will tell you “We don’t go to that one because they don’t wear masks.” There are very few Quislings in the Church because of the WWII history of Corrie ten Boom and other Dutch resisters, and the persecution of the Early Church; it is burned deep in Christian consciousness.

Where do you find these underground churches?

Go in person to one of the Elim Pentecostal churches or ask at one of the smaller but more fundamentalist churches if they know of anywhere that still sings/doesn’t mask. If they know you or have a mutual friend in one of the churches nearby, then I am sure they will tell you.

It’s direct word of mouth between Christians who are known to each other or who are friends of mutual friends. Best wishes.

How does word of these proceedings get spread, please, Richard ?

[Reposted from above] Go in person to one of the Elim Pentecostal churches or ask at one of the smaller but more fundamentalist churches if they know of anywhere that still sings/doesn’t mask. If they know you or have a mutual friend in one of the churches nearby, then I am sure they will tell you.

It’s direct word of mouth between Christians who are known to each other or who are friends of mutual friends. Best wishes.

Thanks Richard.

The country isn’t bankrupt the government is

Maybe the government should go into administration, arrest the dodgy accountants, write off the debt.

I don’t see why I should have to pay for someone else’s mistakes

You think they were mistakes?

The anti-science of the Covid religion is breath-taking.
99.7% survival rate, 96% for the over 80s, yet we need to inject poison and aborted fetal cells into 80 yr olds with 3 existing conditions. Where is the test data for the ‘thousands’ of such use cases in Pfizer’s supposed tests proving mRNA is safe? Won’t injecting them with CV19 and mercury make them sick and won’t that cause injury? Never saw any test data from Pfizer on this use case. But as a good cult member, you blindly accept the authority of the CV priests.

The environment kills unstable virus molecules, so they shut down open air markets?
Masks do nothing except denote your submission and wreck your immune system, yet the idiots are now saying post the magic vaxx, you will still have to one wear one? Why? And what than is the point of the vaxx? etc etc. Endless list of CV non-science.

Maybe the sheeple need to wake up and stop this totalitarian fluism from becoming permanent.

Hi Ferd. Where did you get the info you mention about mercury being in the injection? And foetal cells?

Most vaccines come in two types of bottle. The mass injection ones have Thiomersal as a “preservative”. This contains mercury. I con’t know if the latest vaccines have it, but it will be on the data sheet (which you should demand to see).

All vaccines of the traditional type use foetal cells derived from an abortion.

Traditional vaccines (and many other treatments like cancer therapies and anti-virals) are developed using human cells in the testing process that were derived from foetal tissue originally. That is not the same as the vaccines themselves containing foetal cells.

The Pfizer vaccine does not list thiomersal as far as I can see. That’s why I am asking where Ferd’s info comes from. I am not dismissing the assertions made but I find it helpful to know what they are based on.

There are plenty of questions to ask and concerns about vaccines but I think we need to be rigorous about information sources so we cannot be accused of knee jerk reactions based on rumour or supposition.

… using human cells in the testing process that were derived from foetal tissue originally. That is not the same as the vaccines themselves containing foetal cells.

It’s the same for some people, but not for others, maybe, Charlie ?

Many now use aluminium. I think mercury has been phased out (I wonder why, if it was so “safe”)? But I am not sure if the new mRNA vaccines use toxic adjuvants. Does anyone know?

BioNTech/Pfizer vaccine composition, including the nanoparticle composition, has been released by the MHRA but it does not include concentrations of ingredients making it impossible to assess toxicology.

https://www.anhinternational.org/news/have-you-decided-what-youll-do-or-say-if-offered-a-covid-vaccine/

UK phased out thiomersal sometime in the last few years. USA still use it.

I just looked it up and apparently they don’t use adjuvants. But you do need them for the protein vaccines like novavax or you don’t get any T-cell response.

Thiomersal “contains Mercury” in the same way that water “contains hydrogen”.

Remember when the stopped pregnant women eating Tuna because the mercury content exceeded safety regs. ? Wasnt the mercury higher in the Flu vaccine ?

I am 100% against mass vaccination unless after decades of testing and planning (ie smallpox)

But if I was 80+ I might consider any of these – what have I got to lose?

And we get the data on efficacy and side effects. Its basically stage 3 testing. Of course shouldn’t be mandatory but very little should be.

Then they move onto 70+ year olds – but this is going to take months

Of course shouldn’t be for anyone under 50 (unless they are desperate). And not to women who might in the future want children etc.

By the time they get through the first batch, people will be bored, side effects start showing, virus naturally drops to endemic levels and we’ll all move on

Just been on another forum and I would guess about 50% are wait and see types,30% take it now types and the rest no takers like me.
Can’t see the point where there is no guarantee of long term immunity or lack of transmission.
That other forum is for sports (albeit with a lot of geriatrics like me there) and no political discussion will be allowed.

A sad state of affairs. Even people who I considered to be highly intelligent are not thinking outside the box and questionning everything.

Arm the elderly. They need to defend themselves.

“Do you have a mask?”

“No, I carry a rabbit’s foot”

“Do you wear a mask?”
“Only when I am out raping!”

“Do you wear a mask?”
“Only when robbing stagecoaches!”

‘Do you wear a mask?’
‘Only when engaging in consensual hardcore S&M roleplay’

We need to meet.

“Why don’t you wear a mask?”

“Because I’m not a f***ing moron!”

only when fighting outlaws .. “Hi-Yo, Silver! Away!”

“Do you have a mask”?

“No, I carry a rabbit’s foot”

“Why”?

It’s safer.

Today’s update is rather depressing and shows how many people are so far gone that they want to carry on muzzling ad infinitum and aren’t even bothering to question the semantics of the vaccine.

The bit about the travelling is rather worrying. My family live overseas in SE Asia and I’ve not been back there since I left 16 years ago. We were planning to visit 2 years down the line but given our finances after buying out flat last year and doing some works with it, it was questionable. But now with all these insane measures, its becoming less likely that we’re going. Especially as their Covid regulations are insane – muzzles and visors everywhere with no exemptions among others. Plus my family I suspect are Branch Covidians as well so it will be likely be more like a visit to Dante’s Inferno than a family reunion.

Regardless this could mean that I will be like those immigrants in the late 19th to early 20th centuries – it will be a goodbye forever save for letters and photos. In my case the odd WhatsApp messages & photo sharing on Arsebook.

They are the selfish ones if they feel entitled to impose their fear on the rest of society – As someone else said in a comments section to lockdown zealot: ‘My rights don’t end where your fear begins’

I’m 60. There’s no f ing way I’m taking a Covid vaccine before any health professionals, or MPs!
You first. I’ll wait for five years and see how you’re doing.

I’m 63, see you on the train transport to the vax refuseniks camp.

I’m over 70 – I’ll be at the gate to welcome you.

I’ll be at the gate to welcome you

I’d prefer if you “ met ” me. It’s those who will be doing the ‘ welcoming ‘ that would worry me.

I’ll be the one reading 1984.

reading 1984

Smuggled copy, I presume. Books will be burned.

I’ll bring “The Gulag Archipelago”.

See you there!

There’s no f ing way I’m taking a Covid vaccine before any health professionals, or MPs!

…. or ever

A reminder again.. thousands of unique vicitors read LS and its coimments every day. Thumb up some comments today. Even if it isn’t a Doozie Deusenberg. Solidarnosc.

Maybe it’s just me, but I think i f you can afford to fly to Doha, then you’ve not been too badly affected. ONS have estimated 200,000 deaths, and Bristol University over 500,000, from all of this. And that’s just deaths. It doesn’t measure sheer human misery. So if you’ve just had your holiday spoiled then I think you should maybe keep that to yourself.

I thought so too. What about a postcard where there is a family with one parent made redundant and the other furloughed, struggling to make ends meet for their kids, never mind having a holiday ruined.

Those figures are for non-covid excess deaths.
ie caused by reckless lockdown policies.

I know they’re non-covid excess deaths. That’s what I was referring to.

…which is why I just upticked you as I think you may have been misunderstood.

The take home message for me from this postcard is that travel is still being made a misery and people following all the ridiculous rules can still be effectively kidnapped and held for 2 weeks in another country. I couldn’t ever have budgeted for a trip like that before all this madness but I don’t resent this couple spending their money on a honeymoon. I find it interesting to know what people’s experiences are even if they are far removed from my own.

I don’t agree. These policies are causing misery in many ways, and the removal of enjoyment from life is one of them. The destruction of the travel industry is another, which these types of incidents exacerbate.

No point in getting bogged down in some sort of grief league. This crap is ruining life for many people in many different ways, it’s all rubbish.

I agree with this when you say that these policies are causing misery in many different ways. My life has been wrecked, not due to a loss of employment (I am semi-retired) but because the things I like to do have been made difficult or even impossible. But I also know that my difficulties are as nothing compared to the misery experienced by others.
It is worthwhile to know the full extent of these disastrous policies even if some experiences are nowhere near as serious as others.

Yes indeed. My life has been pretty crap over the last 9 months as my wife and I are both in aviation. She’s avoided 1 round of redundancy already and I’ve had a long time on furlough at 50% pay. I managed to get a temporary job to top up my pay so I know it could be much worse.

Incidents like this make it really hard for people to travel so end up hitting families like mine in the pocket. Everything is interconnected. The misery experienced by individuals just trying to go about their business and being prevented from doing so is also important, so I try to avoid ranking it.

I let my passport lapse some years ago but I have no problem with other people enjoying their money any way they choose.

I just cannot understand why anybody would put themselves through this mask/visor/testing bullshit, especially to go to Doha.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2j-dbpcVSm0
I reckon the section between 3mins22 and 5mins01 is a pretty goood summary of what many business owners and employees in the hospitality sector want to say to Boris, Gove etc. about the new tier system.

In spite of all of the ‘Covid safe’ measures, my daughter and I were able to help ourselves to pick n mix from a large supermarket the other day. There were only 2 reusable scoops and most of the sweets were unwrapped… somebody tell SAGE, this dangerous activity needs to be accounted for in the modelling!

That will increase the R number by, I don’t know, 2.35!

Probably. Adding 2 additional scoops might reduce it by 0.82 but only if they close the deli counter at the same time…

When you read the kind of tinkering they think they can get away with in terms of the R number, you wouldn’t be surprised if that was their line of thinking
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-55192732

But by eating it all you become a bit more overweight which puts you in a higher risk category, nom! nom! nom!.

The last time I went to Wilco they had removed all the pick n mix for safety reasons, idiots. It was the only thing worth going in there for. Interesting to hear that pick n mix has now seemingly been deemed to be safe.
Bastards

The law of unintended consequences – cafes and restaurants allowed to reopen in Ireland are finding it hard to get staff as the Pandemic Unemployment Payment is worth more than working. Compounded by the fact that Ireland has a Christmas bonus for those on social welfare (including those on PUP), anyone going back to work now will forfeit that.

For clarification, I fully support the payment being made to those who were told that they were not allowed to work “to save granny”. The fundamental issue is that there should not have been a lockdown to start with.

https://www.independent.ie/world-news/coronavirus/hospitality-sector-struggled-to-find-staff-for-re-opening-as-coming-off-pup-not-worth-it-for-many-workers-39833641.html

Why does this feel like an attack?

It’s just a card, just a page on your passport. It’s over.

The Guardian interviews Professor Neil Ferguson about his lockdown rule-breaking among other things: “In some sense it was a risk-based judgement which is exactly the wrong thing to do.”.
Erm….so we shouldn’t be making risk-based judgements?? Says everything we need to know about why things are so wrong with lockdown strategy.

No you must sit quietly in the corner facing the wall until the professor tells you it’s safe to move. And if you need to use the loo DON’T RUN! Yes miss!

Which was the greater risk, Neil, catching the flu, someone grassing you up for breaking your own rules or her husband finding out? Answers on a postcard to:

Po Box 606060
CLINT

A long prosperous life you will live not, methinks.

The fact the Christmas Market was rammed with people shows how many people just want to get back to normal. This shows me that once the pathetic, the mentally ill, the hypochondriacs and scared have had their vaccination no one else will bother. This idea they’re gonna get any more than about 1% of the population to take this is insane. No one wants it and no one is gonna take it. if they try and make me i will fight to the death. If they try and stop me shopping or going to the pub without a vaccine card i will fight them. I am not alone, in fact i am the majority. We don’t need the government any more. I refuse to accept them or anything they do.

I thought the same thing. The photos of the busy shopping and markets over the weekend, completely contradicts the polls. Most people seem to just be complying with the rules and the bedwetters are becoming out numbered. I think these polls are WAY out.

My feeling is a lot of people engage in minimum compliance to avoid trouble with police or neighbours, but the real bedwetters are a minority, perhaps as small a minority as the resisters.

I agree. Whenever someone reveals to me that they had a friend or a relative over they often add ‘but we’re in a bubble’. When I indicate that I don’t care about ‘bubbles’, they are usually relieved to drop the pretence.

I really hope so.

Exactly, whilst there are many who see the vaccine as their ultimate saviour, on the other side of the coin, I am pleasantly surprised how many won’t have it. I think it’s backfired somewhat for the government.

I hope you are right. But I also think many are engaged in this warped dance where in front of certain people they will declare their concern and fear of the rona, then without any real strain, walk out to the Christmas Market. Not a thought given to that contrast. Every thought is outsourced.

“Surely if its open then its OK, better bring my mask just in case. The man on the TV said they are life savers”

Mrs 2-6 went out yesterday to meet up with some salt-of-the-earth type local ladies, six indoors for xmass drinkies and cake. All of them were very well informed sceptics! Much to my surprise, apparently one or two of them has actually taken notes from their sceptical online friends so they could better push out their sceptic facts. Excellent!

There is hope

There’s definitely hope!

It’s getting to the point we need to remind them we are the government. This is fucking me right off.

Off topic, but as there’s a ‘Woke’ bit on here, perhaps not. Just seen a pop-up news item saying that Harry and Meghan are going to announce their own honours list. Mike Graham on talkRADIO should be good later …

Let me guess who the recipients will be – those slebs who were featured on Meghan’s so-callled “Forces for Change” Vogue cover.

Exactly. And there will probably be a mirror because we should all be honoured … Still, given me a much needed laugh this morning.

FFS that couple is the avatar of lack of self-awareness.

Uggh I used to support the Royal Family but getting very tired of Prince William (this week visiting the NHS workers that ‘worked so hard’) and Prince Harry (tired of all his woke messages). The last straw will be if the Queen allows herself to be forced to take the vaccine as virtue signalling exercise.

Agree. The Queen (and all RF members) should refuse to comment on whether or not she has the vaccine. Otherwise, she is engaging in politics.

Nah. She’s just going to announce her virtuousness “after she’s had it” !

Bearing in mind Charles is firmly in bed with the WEF, I think come 2030 they’ll all be considered even more hypocritical pieces of shit than now.

Don’t get me started on the Queen (yes, I too loved the woman). Are the tears she wipes away every 11th November for the genuine sacrifices made, or are they for a past gone era?

She needs to go back and listen to her father’s speeches, then dissolve this fucking shambles.

I was disappointed when she turned up muzzled at Westminster Abbey when there were only 3 of them.

Whoever advised her to do that should have been reprimanded.

Queen Elizabeth the Queen Mother would have been appalled and possibly would have considered being masked up as a sign of cowardice and dereliction of duty.

Could the solution be as simple as calling your GP to tell them that you’ve had a private Rona test which has come back positive and you want it adding to your records?

Wish LS would stop being taken in by these so called polls. Besides being open to abuse by those pushing the propoganda, the polls are likely to be aimed at a certain demographic, think the 24 year old bed wetter ( I am afraid there is no other word for such a pathetic person) at the Nottingham Christmas fair mentioned in this article.
Regarding Doha – maybe the traveller should have done their research before travelling. Qatar only accepts tests done from St Bartholomew’s private hospital in London. If you have a test cert from there, 72 hours prior to travel, you will not require a test in Doha.

100% and the decision to shut an outdoor market utterly idiotic. These shoppers are at far more risk collecting virus inside shops, even more so air conditioned arenas, that this wretched government so favour.

I do wish that the bedwetters would just stay locked up at home and let the rest of us get on with our lives.

No, seems the bedwetters like to go to places that are likely to be busy and then complain online/call the Daily Mail about it.

The main page of the World Vaccine Polls website is still broken, but I’ve pulled out the individual polls as separate links and these links work OK in isolation.

As at 08:35 on 2020-12-07, about 53,000 people have voted and the results are:

• Q1: Should vaccines be mandatory? (No: 95%)
• Q2: Are you getting the COVID-19 vaccine? (No: 92%)
• Q3: Was government reaction to COVID-19 worse than the virus? (Yes: 91%)
• Q4: Do you support lockdowns or military involvement (No: 93%)
• Q5: Should masks be mandatory? (No: 91%)
• Q6: Do you trust the World Health Organization? (No: 94%)
• Q7: Was COVID-19 politicized by Mainstream Media? (Yes: 95%)

You can’t immediately see the yes-no percentages on each of these pages, but if you click on a button to cast a vote you will see the current results.

Just tried to access the site. all the links appear to be broken. 77th Brigade perhaps?

Just discovered that having the ad Blocker on stops the links working here.

sounds like they didn’t like the results and took it down!! If it’s the same link as yesterday i clicked and it worked and answered.

And the results show that most other polls are a load of rubbish…

Sorry, I goofed the first link. Not the 77th, just a silly cow. Never ascribe to malice that which can be adequately explained by incompetence.

The main page link should have been:

https://www.worldvaccinepoll.com/

The page is still non-functional for me, even with my ad blocker disabled. The individual question links are all OK though, so you can go through them one by one if you like.

This is encouraging

The questions are unashamedly biased!
I did the poll with great relish.

The NOs have it.

Thought for the day “A masking prayer”

I saw this yesterday outside a church in South Devon.

I couldn’t decide whether to uptick or downtick this. A sort of thanks for posting it,
It was difficult to read; I couldn’t stand the sanctimony,

Agreed, vomit inducing. And the sort of notice which should be taken down when nobody is looking.

I thought about that but it seemed so absurd I thought it might do the sceptic cause more good to leave it.

Replace it with a hacked version that looks superficially similar but with the text changed to something subtly subversive.

Yes I was not expecting any upvotes for this! I thought it was a bit weird almost like someone taken hostage trying to send a coded message out. The mask with the writing on looks like something you would see in a horror film.

I couldn’t read it enlarging it distorted the print.

The work of an unhinged mind.

Agreed. But according to the press and the government these are the words of the sane and we’re the kooks.

The work of a phone camera not set to a sufficiently high resolution.

Politicians have banned congregations, so they need to pick a side

And you left it there? Please remove this filth from public view

If it hadn’t started with “As I put on my mask,” I’d have found it a lovely request for non-judgmentalism.

However, it does start with that and should have a sick bucket thoughtfully placed underneath it.

Someone posted something similar ages ago. All I can say, do these people not realise that they’re taking the Lord’s name in vain with this abomination?

Good morning valiant fellow Lockdown Sceptics.

Every day when I awake, I ask my wife ‘has the world come back to its senses yet?’. She gets up a lot earlier than me so has time to check before me. The answer, as you could guess, is always a very clear ‘no, not yet’.

Reading today’s update, that answer isn’t going to change anytime soon.

Keep fighting the good fight all of you. The truth will out.

The only poll that counts is what people do.

Rammed Christmas market shows plenty of people don’t believe the propaganda.

I wonder. Are people just that dense that their whole approach to this is based on what they are told. Rather than making informed decisions. So when they say the Crimbo market is open, the virus must be taking a break. But when it’s after 6pm, no no no, its feeding time.

It’s a clear a sign of sheeple as I have ever seen.

And to think of the public officials in their meetings acting all concerned for every life. The public good. Its all just window dressing for an empty skull

Shame then that they are not concerned about the 200,000-350,000 deaths the ONS estimate will occur as a result of people’s life saving diagnostic services and treatment being cancelled, all totally avoidable deaths if diagnosed and treated early. Despite their claims, it obviously isn’t about saving lives as the article on here this weekend about the NHS ruthlessly pursuing and bullying older people to sign DNR notices to prevent hospital admissions (something the NHS has been doing for years by the way). This is about vested interests and unbridled political power. Never again must we ever point the finger at Russia, China, North Korea and other Socialist States. They are, currently, a lot freer than we are.

Truly hope so.

Don’t forget the fight to get into Harrods!

What does the government do if only 20% take the vaccine?

What does the government do if only 20% take the vaccine and serious negative effects become apparent within several months?

Do they pressure NHS workers?

If serious negative effects of the vaccine become apparent in NHS workers pressured to take the vaccine, after sveeral months, will there be a shortage of NHS workers.

What would be the effect on all cause mortality of that?

What would the effect on public mood be?

Questions, questions, questions …..

We all know what is going to happen, it won’t be made mandatory but it will be. Everywhere you need to go, supermarket, local shops, pub, holidays parks, planes, workplaces, etc will all require us to have a COVID certificate. So, no matter if you say you wont have it you will have to in order to have a life.

That may be the plan, but if enough people refuse, it will not work.
Just say NO.

That might be the plan. It won’t work in a month of Sundays

So to celebrate small business Saturday, they shut down a load of independent market traders, who’d probably ordered stock and perishable food. Good way to win support.

https://twitter.com/BorisJohnson/status/1335213750438260736

If somehow this ‘vaccine’ ‘works’, then it would be the first thing the government got right during this crisis,

What are the chances of the governmnet getting everything else wrong, and then suddenly getting it right with the vaccine?

About 0.3% or, as the government would put it, 99.7%.

Having just had a (sort of) conversation with the window cleaner who was wearing a mask outside, it dawned on me what his muffled words reminded me of: that public information film from the 70s – the ‘Charley says’ one …

I loved Charley the cat, with his bony kipper!

Considering law of averages, he has more chance of falling off his ladder and being seriously injured or killed than dying of the virus – why the mask?

God knows. I thought he was a sceptic, but he’s clearly been got at!

Charley says never play with rushed vaccines, because they can hurt you

love this spoof charley says . totally appropriate for covid and the sheeple

Brilliant!

Love the ‘Pussy’ magazine.

Maybe get another window cleaner? This one is too far gone

I hope he wasn’t going up a ladder while masked. The slightest whiff of hypoxia he’ll fall off. Did he do a risk assessment?

On the Sage immunity for 90 days, why have we not seen 100s of thousands of reinfections since we are 9 months at least in to this. Bollocks is what I say SAGE.

Celebs – don’t you just love ‘em?

https://www.mirror.co.uk/3am/celebrity-news/uk-biggest-stars-unite-declare-23121477

“Bob Geldof, Michael Palin and Michael Parkinson will take coronavirus vaccine ‘without fear’

Some of the biggest household names from music, TV and the stage, including showbiz knights Bob Geldof, Michael Palin and Michael Parkinson, said they would not hesitate getting the jab

Celebs backing the jab included TV anchor Eamonn Holmes, Strictly judge Craig Revel-Horwood, Mastermind host John Humphrys, chat king Sir Michael Parkinson, Monty Python’s Sir Michael Palin, singer Lulu and rockers Roger Daltrey and Ronnie Wood.
Live Aid hero Bob Geldof, 69, led the rallying call, saying: “I will absolutely and immediately take it as soon as humanly possible.””

Oh Bobby G – we need an anthem for this. How about “Vax the world/Let them know they’re getting poked at last”

Mention of Monty Python, reminded me of that sketch featuring the funniest joke of all time which was so lethal it could cause you to laugh yourself to death. Well the Mirror can finally reveal that joke – although they had to neutralise it by splitting it apart. I will put it together for you. Be warned!:

“After weeks of scaremongering from anti-vaxxers , the wave of support was perfectly timed as the vaccine is rolled out this week. And more families were grieving as the UK Covid death toll rose 397 to 61,014 .”

Roger Daltrey.FFS.All is lost

And Ronnie Wood! Disillusionment is worse than covid!

Looks like he got fooled again …

So much for ‘Won’t get fooled again’, Roger.

In light of Bob Geldof sticking his oar in, I thought I’d re-write the Band Aid 1984 single to reflect the times we are in:

Its Covid time, there’s a need to be afraid

At Covid time, we close the doors and we banish trade

And in this world of cra-a-zy, we can spread a slab of fear

Throw your arm towards the vax at COVID time

And Pfizer says, take this vax for sa-fe-ty

At Covid time, its good, and will save your Granny

We have moved the Overton window

To make a world of dread and tears

Where the only story moving

Is the daily dose of fear

And the COVID test rate re-port-ing

Are the same old lead story

It looks like we’re locked down ‘til 2040

And there won’t be hope in Eu-r-ope this COVID time

The nasty gift they’ll get this year is vaxxed

Where life is not worth living

And fear and hatred grow

Don’t they know its lies and fear at all

Here’s the vax raise your sleeve to get it in

Place that mask of yours in the bloody bin


Don’t they know its lies and fear at all

Vax the world

Vax the world

Vax the world

Don’t they know its lies and fear at…

Vax the world

That is very good take a bow.

That’s so good I hope you don’t mind if I copy/paste it into the OffGuardian site. Don’t worry. I’ll give you full credit!

Be my guest.

It’s a work of genius, There’s even a bit of an internal rhyme here:

“Here’s the vax raise your sleeve to get it in

Place that mask of yours in the bloody bin”

I am a fan of novelty music and parodies – I did my best to match the lyrics to the tempo of the original and include rhyme where possible.

Wonderful!

Worth sending to Media Bear.

Deck the halls with bags of vaccines, tra la la la la …

Vax the World I want to get off.

The truth is of course, that none of these celebrities would actually take it – they are just propaganda for the masses who they are trying to get to take it.

Who, in their right mind takes any moral or otherwise influence from this fucking bunch of arse…

Of the celebs endorsing the vax, note that there’s not a single young person on that list. The youngest I can see are Kelly Hoppen and Eamonn Holmes (both 61).

Let’s be frank here – these are people who haven’t much life left to look forward to. More to the point, they are mostly TV personalities who I reckon are in the pay of the BBC. I feel there’s a little bit of arm bending here – and I reckon it wouldn’t take much. These are people who are indispensable to the propaganda needed here since they are mainly on the left/liberal side and they love to lend their names to a “good cause”. And if there is a more dangerous species then I don’t know what it is. At least little Greta has the excuse of being a child.

Don’t always assume that folk in their 60’s don’t have much life left to look forward to. It’s akin to saying that “it’s all over” once you reach your 60’s. Folk don’t retire now until they’re 65/66/67 and many I know have said that they are really enjoying life after work. So yes we may only have 15 to 20 years but they are just as valuable as the years of people who have fifty or sixty years remaining. Mind you, I couldnt give tuppence for the TV personalities.

Why on earth would I trust Eamonn Holmes’ judgement on whether a vaccine is safe or necessary? I don’t know if you’ve ever seen celebrities on quiz shows but the vast majority of them are as thick as pig-shit. I wouldn’t trust their advice on tying my shoelaces.

Talking wallpaper/ Eye candy.

Ronnie Wood never qualified as eye candy!

Yes,that does seem to be the case.
My wife watches “Lorraine” and since I’m off work today,I caught some of it.
They are really pro vaccine but did I really hear their GP say that there were 3000 deaths this week caused by the virus ( not even with the virus) and he certainly thinks anyone refusing the vaccine is a selfish bod who cares nothing about reducing transmission of the virus….so it definitely stops transmission,does it?
If only Mike Yeadon could be invited on one of these propagand shows.

They’d steamroller him with rubbish.

In that context, I thought Wayne Rooney, analysing the robust Millwall fans’ repost to BLM, was classic: it was just a “mindless” few.

I guess Eamonn sees it as just another needle. He’s clearly had enough poked into him, given the changes his face seems to have experienced over the last couple of years.

Thanks George, I will be 72 on Wednesday but when the moronic collaborators realise what the MSM are telling them are lies, the sooner (hopefully) we can get back to enjoying the time we have left, be it 2 or 72 years.

They are all fucking collaborators, pure and simple.

I take absolutely no notice of what celebs think, I’m more likely to do the opposite. I dont think they’re as intelligent as they think they are.

I’m publishing my first book next year and I’m 60. There’s life in this old dog!

So if my balls shrivel up can I sue any one of them for advising me to take it?

Reading the depressing surveys I’m sure people like the Chinese Communist Party must be rubbing their hands in glee at how spineless we and the rest of Europe have become.

As for the lockdown and Teir system: we are still in lockdown. I went for dinner with a friend within my social bubble last week and we were refused entry into the Wetherspoons at Liverpool Street by a rather rude and overbearing member of staff who stated we couldn’t have a meal because we didn’t live together. This is totally contrary to the government regulations. However, I am not surprised as nobody really seems knows what’s going on. Although, I’m surprised that somebody like Tim Martin has allowed this to happen in his establishments.

He probably doesn’t know. Write and tell him.

Extreme vaxophile JHB on Talk Radio gives Labour’s Joshua Reynolds the easiest of rides. The appalling Reynolds wants total social media censorship to prevent people sceptical of the benefits of mass Covid vaccination from putting the case.

She also has a go at Trump for refusing to accept the “result” of the US Presidential election. I presume she doesn’t actually approve of electoral fraud and malpractice, so can only conclude she hasn’t done her job and so isn’t aware of the mountain of evidence of fraud and malpractice that has been accumulated, including undeniable video evidence.

The narrative has very much turned at Talk Radio since last week. Anyone calling in to talk about the vaccine was virtually cut off immediately, Mike Parry was terrible on it at the weekend, if anyone basically disagreed he said ‘you’re not an expert, MHRA are and they’ve deemed it safe” then the callers were cut off. There was also lots of championing the COVID Certificate as well.

It was always a race between the development of a vaccine and the population waking up.Barring a catastrophic adverse reaction to the vaccine I can’t see how we can ever return to the old normal;living as freeborn Britons.

They’ve obviously been got at. Probably threatened with defunding.
Best to stop watching. Good while it lasted.

I listen to Alex Jones and America First with Sebastian Gorka.

The vaccine fiasco shows just how nakedly political this whole thing has become. It’s abundantly clear that the government and the MHRA have cut corners in order to be the first to approve a vaccine for use, the idea being that this can be claimed as a “victory” and incontrovertible proof that they really do have the health of the public as their #1 priority.

In reality, it’s very likely that this chapter will simply provide even more evidence that we are dealing with a very dangerous group of people, who will once again sacrifice innocent lives to further their deeply sinister political agendas and solidify their grip on power. There is the potential now for an avalanche of health issues to arise from the mass uptake of these experimental vaccines, the number of which I firmly believe will make the impact of Covid-19 look meek in comparison.

For example, there is no data available on how these vaccines interact with other medications or other Covid-19 vaccines – well worry not, we’ll use the aged and comorbid as guinea pigs to see what happens. There is no data available on how these vaccines affect fertility – well worry not, we’ll just recruit a few famous faces to tell us that these concoctions really are very safe, and we should be rolling up our sleeves to take them if we really DO care about “saving lives.”

There is already a quasi-religious aurora around the vaccine in the sense that it is being worshipped by all and sundry as the path to deliver us from the Covid Evil, and anybody who does not subscribe to this cult is labelled a heretic or “anti-vaxx” to coin their favourite slur. A concert was recently held in honour of the scientists who engineered the Oxford vaccine – these men and women are already being elevated as demi-Gods, divine beings who bring with them the promise of life and a restoration of our cherished freedoms.

Of course, the sceptic community is one step ahead of everybody else. We can see through the venomous lies of Hancock & Van-Tam, and we will enjoy immunity from the tidal wave of propaganda that will be unleashed over the coming months. This will sadly not be true for most of the general public – many will be coerced to take these jabs through sheer force of the messaging, pressure from friends and family or of course by blackmail – get your shot or wave goodbye to holidays, live football or hospital treatment for the foreseeable future.

It sounds awful to say this but part of me actually hopes that these vaccines do cause terrible damage, because that’s possibly the only way to wake the Covid cultists out of their hypnotic state. Once they realise that there is no magic bullet and the solution to this nightmare has always been to carry on living, maybe we’ll start winning this battle.

Perhaps the vaccine can have effects across the blood/brain barrier to make people capable of independent thought.

An adverse drug reaction that serious would guarantee its immediate withdrawal.

Unlikely. Human stupidity is a universal constant.

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If only. But too much to hope for.

These men and women are already being elevated as demi-Gods.

Great point, we must now pray and worship at their feet, they can give us the gift of life. Snake oil salesman.

i agree that i hope there is some health issues from the vaxx (however unfortunate for the victims) and i think it will be the only way to stop this mania. But then it may just prolong it as they say we have to design a new vaxx and add years to the misery…
Not sure there’s a simple answer but hoping the government’s incompetance and a high level of non compliance for the vaxx will come into play and it will be quietly downgraded in importance like the T&T and other failed initiatives.

Quick question, do we actually know what the vaccine does or doesn’t do? I’ve read that it doesn’t stop transmission, doesn’t cure anybody with the virus and only reduces the seriousness of the symptoms. Can anyone confirm?

No one knows, not even the manufacturers and they admit this. It is just too soon for them to have any understanding which is why the trials are for 24 months.

I was just wanting it confirmed as some people at work have the delusion that once it is rolled out we’ll be back to normal. I’ve already told them that nobody knows what it actually does. Also, I told my co-workers, can you trust a man that blatantly lied to Parliament about his step father dying of COVID which has been proved not to be the case. I just get blank looks.

I’m a very fit fifty year old so won’t be going anywhere near this vaccine. Why on earth would I when the survival rate for me is 99.97%?

We are never getting back to normal.

Unless we take it back!

Exactly – I think it wil eventually dawn on people.

I never gave it up

Basically it’s the equivalent of if you had terminal cancer and a new experimental treatment was made available within which that you could participate in the trial. Nothing is really known about it and you’re a guinea pig for it but you accept it as it’s the only thing that could possibly save you, and you also waive all rights to suing the manufacturer as it’s your last chance saloon.

The problem we have with the vaccine is that we’re going to have millions of guinea pigs where the outcome of taking the vaccine is unknown.

With the big difference is cancer is going to kill you.Covid is very unlikely to.

People don’t even know this fact. That these are phase 4 trials, not fully tested.

We don’t know what’s in it.

We don’t know what it does.

So, do you want to take it?

Like cortisone, it ameliorates symptoms and is not worthy of the name vaccine’.

Yes that is what I heard too. In which case why bother with it unless there is another agenda afterall.

and the length of effectiveness seems to be questionable/undetermined.
you gotta wonder why the great push for this vaxx…

Sounds like Snake Oil to me.

It’s very hard to prove whether it stops transmission, just as it’s very hard to prove whether or not masks protect other people. Because how would you do that? You’d have to give the vaccine, or masks, or whatever, to whole communities and have control communities where you didn’t. It’s just not practical.

So this gets turned into “no evidence it prevents transmission”, “we just don’t know” etc.

Since it reduces infections, symptoms and severity it will no doubt also reduce transmission.

But since “they” have been trying to scare us all for months with the Myth of the Asymptomatic Superspreader it serves them right that they should have to squirm their way out of this by themselves

So, the government are asking people to have this first of it’s kind, DNA altering vaccine pumped in to them but nobody can tell you what it actually does. Call me thick, but you’d have thought Pfizer would know what it actually does or does not do. Saying that, as Pfizer has done relatively little to no testing how would they know. That is why vaccines take anywhere between five and ten years to come to market, not a matter of months. Absolute madness!

It’s not DNA-altering and they do know what it does. It infects you with some kind of facsimile of the virus so you get some immune memory that hopefully works against the real thing. Finding out whether it works and is safe is why the testing usually takes so long.

They have tested it on a lot of people (20,000 or so) but it’s correct that nobody knows whether there are long-term effects.

Is it [vaccine] protecting people against transmitting the infection , or is it about protecting the vaccinated person from severe disease if you are infected during a specific time window?

As it turns out, it’s only the latter. That means vaccinations are not being evaluated for their ability to stop the transmission of infections – something you’d think would be a target if you wanted to wipe out an epidemic or pandemic. But it’s actually something that takes much longer than the very short time frame these vaccines are being created within. The same applies to safety issues – some of the trials will continue to look at safety issues for 12 months or more, but the vaccines will be rolled out at least for emergency use sometimes with just a couple of months of safety data.

And as we’ve said before, history tells us it can be years before safety concerns are exposed, as we discovered with the swine flu vaccine Pandemrix and narcolepsy in children.

The current crop of novel covid vaccines are only being tested for their ability to stop people getting seriously ill, a risk that becomes less and less in a waning epidemic, and a risk that primarily only affects older people or those with underlying conditions.

On top of that, we don’t know a lot about the populations who appear to be protected from severe disease, and how many of these include groups who are the most vulnerable. Also note that two doses are needed in all 3 vaccines to yield the highest immune response – and higher dosages generally also yield more adverse reactions.

In effect, it means that the current Phase 3 trials are really testing the vaccines as a preventative treatment, not for their ability to make you immune to the virus and incapable of transmitting it to others. This is an important distinction. In other words, what the vaccines are really trying to do it make more people respond just like an unvaccinated healthy person who has a good functioning immune system, with some possible historic cross-immunity to other coronaviruses or previous exposure to SARS-CoV-2, and adequate amounts of vitamin C, D, zinc and other cofactors in their system.

https://www.anhinternational.org/news/have-you-decided-what-youll-do-or-say-if-offered-a-covid-vaccine/

The only thing that the clinical trials have really tested for is the % of people with and without the vaccine who “get covid” to any degree of severity, where “get covid” seems to mean symptoms + a positive PCR test. For all we know it might inhibit infection, prevent transmission etc. but there isn’t any clinical evidence of that and they’re not even looking for it .

OK another email to my useless MP. Was hard to find the energy to bother as she won’t pay the least attention but it is said that this can have an effect.

Here’s what I said in case anyone want to borrow from it:

I’m writing to you ahead of the vote on December 14 about restrictions on people who don’t want a Covid vaccination.

I welcome the vaccines. It looks like they work well (some very well). They are safe, at least in the short term, and probably will be in the long term as well.

But whether or not it’s right to have the vaccine is a completely different question from whether it’s right to coerce people to have it, directly or indirectly. That would be like saying capital punishment is fine because we will only kill bad people.

It is completely unethical to give anyone any medical treatment without their consent and without having explained as objectively as possible the risks from the treatment as well as from the disease itself. If you do this you should find that many people are willing to take the vaccine at once, and most after a year or so when we will know more about possible longer-term risks.

There are plenty of good reasons not to want the vaccine at once.

1. You might have already had Covid. Any “expert” who claims to know that the vaccine will provide longer-lasting immunity than a real infection is lying.
2. You might be at low risk from Covid which means you can afford to wait and see how the vaccines turn out. There are many other vaccines in development and some may turn out to be much better than the ones that appeared at first.
3. There is still a small but unknown risk of vaccine enhanced disease. All vaccines that were attempted for SARS-CoV-1, the closest known relative of SARS-CoV-2 showed this problem, as did most MERS vaccines. The mechanism of that enhancement is possibly ADE but more likely a skewed immune response, resulting in immunopathology very similar to what we see in severe SARS1 and also in severe Covid.

Nobody knew that this would not happen with the Covid vaccines until they tried them on non-human primates, and now on people in phase 3.

The fact that we have not seen enhancement so far is hugely encouraging, but the similarity of the viruses and the severe diseases they can cause is concerning, as is the the lack of a complete understanding of what causes this phenomenon. The immune system is complex and the effect of a vaccine after a year may be very different to after a few weeks when the initial high levels of antibodies have subsided.
4. People may have other safety concerns. Some of these may indeed be unfounded, but the way to address that is to explain why.
5. Any other personal reason.

If you make people have a vaccine so that they can travel or go to school you are automatically giving them a bad reason to take it, because that incentive has nothing to do with their health.

You may argue that it’s beneficial from a public health point of view that as many people have the vaccine as possible. This may be true, though not to anything like the extent that government “scientists” would claim. But from a purely practical point of view, given the recent (entirely justified) collapse in public trust of the government and their “scientists”, any attempt at coercion will backfire.

The government does not know best, people in this country do not believe that, and you aren’t going to make them.

Despite seeing with their own eyes that the Covid is no big deal people will still clamour for the vaccine as they think it will save them from lockdown, which it won’t as Van Tam has said, all part of the plan.

And when they’ve had their jab and still get locked down, they will think “It’s worse than we thought, the vaccine doesn’t work!”, and they will clamour for even more strict measures. Fuckwits.

I get the sentiment but if these were safe as you say, why the concern for the ill-informed?

Will you refuse the vaccine until we are sure no coercion is in play out of principle?

I just don’t think people need to always start their letters etc “I’m not anti vaax but”. Seems to just set you up for a bit of contradiction.

It’s not a contradiction. I don’t care if they’re as safe as orange juice. That doesn’t mean you should force them on people.

And I would agree on that key point. I would disagree with the idea that long term effects are known (probably). At least, as a layman, I don’t know how that conclusion is drawn from a novel vaccine based on new technology. As you say, it’s about informing people, so I’d like to see information on that specific aspect.

Long term effects are definitely not known. Because as you say it’s both a novel virus and novel vaccine technologies.

But we can make a reasonable guess, and mine is that it will be fine. As will Covid.

I base this on the fact that although SARS2 is a “novel” virus it’s not that much different from many other ones we have evolved to deal with over millions of years, most of which do not cause weird long-term effects.

The vaccines in different ways just simulate parts of the virus. Either they’re injecting you with some RNA from the virus, or a protein from the virus, or the whole virus only deactivated, or the RNA inside another virus. It’s all similar to what you would be exposed to from an actual infection– that’s how they work. That is the basis for saying it’s probably OK.

Yes there are certainly unknowns however, and the immune system is complex, so the only way you really know for sure is just to wait and see. And I think that’s a very reasonable course of action.

There are some adjuvants and other things in those vaccines too and these may cause problems, but most of them have been used before.

Great input as always on the vaccine. Thanks.

i read that twice and the second time was ten time more bollocks than the first

I’m not anti vax. I have had all the normal vaccines as a child including TB. TB and Smallpox are a damned sight more dangerous than this Virus but our government were allowing people in from high risk countries and there was no public health controls. I will refuse to be vaccinated.

Pro Choice and informed decision

Government bod on the Today Programme
‘People in top priority groups who don’t get their shot straight away should not worry because it will be available to them all if not in January then February or March at the latest . . . ‘

… or April, or May or the whole thing might collapse!!! My friend who is a nurse in Australia says Aus is not going to use the Pfizer vaccination and she is very worried about the vaccines

“The results showed a positive association between COVID-19 deaths and IVR of people ≥65 years-old. There is a significant increase in COVID-19 deaths from eastern to western regions in the world. Further exploration is needed to explain these findings, and additional work on this line of research may lead to prevention of deaths associated with COVID-19.”

https://peerj.com/articles/10112/

Nothing to see here

IVR = influenza vaccination rates.

I like how the Party prefaces the paper with propaganda.

They say – correctly – that correlation isn’t causation, and give us the example of ice cream sales correlated with murders in cities.

The difference with positive association between COVID-19 deaths and IVR of people ≥65 years-old is that we have a plausible and possible causal mechanism which can explain the positive association.

I took down some large covid bollocks ( social distancing on footpaths, sanitising after touching styles) notices on the top of the South Downs at the weekend. Really quite pointless littering, even if you believed this stuff would you need reminding at the top a hill? It also suggest we need to keep English nature staff safe, in all my time I have never seen an English nature warden and if they are out putting up notices it’s a bit self defeating. Anyway my point is should I stop pulling down these notices and start to deface them with a message?

My current thought would be one word FREEDOM. Spayed in red paint to start to get an alternative message over?

The 80s Sci fi Series V had the visitors propaganda posters defaced with a large V for victory.Something along those lines is needed.

Well done you. If nly more people would do the same.

If any of you thought you saw images of a Sikh protest in London yesterday

You didn’t

If you thought you saw images of vehicles abandoned in the street and central London gridlocked

You didn’t

It’s gone down the memory hole at the BBC

It never existed. You never saw it.

It is erased from your memory

Puts paid to the old adage: Sikh and ye shall find?

More good clean fun to be had, of course, with the name of their homeland – Punjab – for those who like a needle in the jest.

doublethink

It’s gone down the memory hole of the entire MSM.

Those hundreds of non-Sikhs stuck accidentally in the London gridlock were clearly imagining it.

Thank you BBC!

“The 2009 H1N1 influenza pandemic left a troubling legacy in Europe: More than 1300 people who received a vaccine to prevent the flu developed narcolepsy, an incurable, debilitating condition that causes overpowering daytime sleepiness, sometimes accompanied by a sudden muscle weakness in response to strong emotions such as laughter or anger. The manufacturer, GlaxoSmithKline (GSK), has acknowledged the link, and some patients and their families have already been awarded cpmpensation. But how the vaccine might have triggered the condition has been unclear.”

https://www.sciencemag.org/news/2015/07/why-pandemic-flu-shot-caused-narcolepsy

Never think that getting a payout for vaccine damage will be easy or even achievable.

The Government fought tooth and nail not to pay for the swine flu vaccine damage –> Narcolepsy (permanent damage to the brain)

https://www.narcolepsy.org.uk/resources/pandemrix-narcolepsy

Ministers lose fight to stop payments over swine flu jab narcolepsy cases (9/2/2017)

Dozens of children who developed sleep disorder after getting the vaccine could get compensation after high court ruling

https://www.theguardian.com/science/2017/feb/09/ministers-lose-fight-to-stop-payouts-in-swine-flu-jab-narcolepsy-cases

Also
UK buys 60m face masks as new cases of swine flu emerge (30/4/2009)
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2009/apr/30/swine-flu-uk-masks-antiviral-drugs

Also
Book: The Great Bird Flu Hoax by Dr Joseph Mercola
“You’ve heard the frightening warnings in the news: a new avian super-flu of epic proportions is coming. They say it could kill nearly two million Americans – the bird flu!
In clear and engaging language, Dr. Mercola’s book, The Great Bird Flu Hoax , debunks the myths and reveals the truth behind one of the greatest health deceptions ever to come along.

In this book, you’ll discover:

• The truth: there is no coming bird flu pandemic.
• How the government raises false health alarms to draw attention away from the REAL public health and safety issues they actually perpetuate.
• Why and how sustainable and responsible farming is part of the answer to your health and welfare.

Important steps to keeping your immune system strong (so your own body naturally fights against any invading viruses) are also included in this must-have book.”

http://www.greatbirdfluhoax.com

Exactly. And as I said the other day, those who were given infected blood products back in the 80s are still having to fight for reparation.

Help! My Covid vaccination Certificate was stolen by a masked robber.
How many million will be in the Police line-up?

I probably had covid at the march peak when they weren’t testing. I’m not bothering with a vaccine

you won’t get a choice

I cant take it because of my other medications anyway

Tell us what you take so that we can get some of it. Whether or not we need it!

There must be thousands like me who have to take other life saving drugs. There has been no testing for contraindications according to the official guidance on the covid vaccine. Are we exempt? Not that I’d have taken it anyway

On eBay. Kids Christmas present sorted.

Lovely. As I tap no one qualifies. But as the year progresses more and more will claim they do. Restrictions are surely going to break down. (Or perhaps they’ll institute a hefty £10,000 fine for wearing one without the certification.)

There’s an opportunity -t shirts, hoodies, beanie hats, tabards, courier bags.

Isn’t this just doing what our rulers want?

Best present ever!

Where have all the young girls gone?
Long time passing
Where have all the young girls gone?
Long time ago
Where have all the young girls gone?
Gone to sterilisation clinics every one
When will they ever learn?
When will they ever learn?

Apologies to Joan Baez

So another conspiracy coming true.The prototype health passport.First its a card,but that can be forged.Next it will be a digital passport that can be scanned,a bit like the Q codes we have been accustomed to using.There will be ways around that but don’t worry Bill Gates is working on a embedded tattoo that can be scanned on entry to public life.
I wonder if Toby still thinks this is all down to the incompetence of the government.

Wouldn’t worry about it too much. The government will dismiss the amount of fake certificates as minimal, and by the time they get round to digital passports the next pandemic will have us locked down anyway.

Yes, we are apparently enetering an ‘Age of Pandemics’ according to many establishment mouthpieces:

https://www.politico.eu/article/virus-hunter-peter-piot-age-of-pandemics/

The one Bill Gates promised us with a evil smirk

Hoefully it will go the way of the world-beating app and the QR code system, which seem to have all but disappeared.

They were just conditioning exercises for the real thing.They want us all tracked and traced.I went to a restaurant yesterday.There was a temperature check that was suspiciously like the Chinese system of surveillance.
You stood in front of a video monitor and it scanned you.

I hope you stuck your tongue out at it.

What’s the difference between the vaccine and Matt Hancock…nowt, they’re both just little pricks

Evil little pricks!

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Children_of_Men

Good movie that Google and Windows helped me steal a copy off t’internet.

A character who lives in opulent wealth whilst the world is crumbling around him is asked “How can you live like this?” and he replies “I just don’t think about it.”

This blog is turning pinko. I’m joining the Covid Rejectionists.

Hardline.

I disagree . We should all support this webpage Stuart, it’s been an Oasis in the midst of 1984 Madness. I don’t think you appreciate the pressure people like Toby are under from the Woke Cancel Nutters. Watch the video from Freedom of Speech Union below.

What has it achieved though apart from people having a moan?

It’s given us the opportunity of seeing that we’re not alone, which has been a great relief on dark days, and to exchange different views about this horrendous situation. Perhaps we should cut Toby a little slack so that he can regroup, if indeed he has been leaned on.

If Toby was going to do something major with this he’d have done it by now. The guy must be snowed under with the FSU, his job, his family life, etc.

This is why we ourselves on here needed to take action but too many are just happy to post in the comments each day on here but not actually take any responsibility create something bigger. We’ve lost people on here who have tried to do it, but there are just too many individuals who’d rather make themselves try and look clever with their posts on here rather than coming together as a community and actually taking some action.

It’s a fantastic information nexus, skipper. Plus a valuable communication resource for people of like minds.

For local group actions, protests, demos, campaigns, there are keepbritainfree, saveourrights, standupX, freedomnetwork, etc.

Many more people read the updates atl than comment below it. I think it has been a fantastic source of information that is ignored by MSM and I have read, watched and listened to so much that I would never have had the time or knowledge to find for myself. I’m sure that is true for many others.

Oh, yes, very true – Toby and Co. (and those who post on this board) provide enormous wealth of information, all in one place. I don’t think I’ll be able to find it all myself.

They do, but we need to unite as a community and back them up.

Do they really though? If I was to go back 6 months I would say that there are really only comments from 100-200 people on here during a week and a lot are from the same people with more than one account, and there’s definitely a lot more bot content on here than there was originally, so really you’re only looking at 100 real people who actually post on here.

I’ve met a number of people through this blog there’s no chance I would have met. I’ve attended demos and read information there’s no chance I would have known about. For some people this blog is a useful outlet but for many people it’s just useful.

But it hasn’t really achieved anything, I remember making the suggestion a couple of months after the site started that we now had over 2,000 people on here and that we should get organised as a group so that we can take more action. Really it’s just keyboard warriors on here, lots to say but very little real action.

Disagree, many of us have attended protests and take every opportunity to spread the word. We need any voice that dissents; none are likely to be perfect or have individually demonstrable results but all contribute to the counter narrative and are necessary to keep that voice alive. Real action, as you put it, needs discussion and the sharing of ideas for its genesis.

But it hasn’t really achieved anything,

Tish.

I remember making the suggestion a couple of months after the site started that we now had over 2,000 people on here and that we should get organised as a group so that we can take more action.

Great idea. What/how/when ?

Really it’s just keyboard warriors on here, lots to say but very little real action.

I disagree – but surely you know how much you sound like a keyboard warrior, skip ?

Just think this vaccine has been around less time than it take a woman to make a baby. What woman in their right mind would take this? The people saying we should take the vaccine are insane dangerous people. Again the vaccine can’t be known to be safe, how can it? jesus the damage to young woman from this could be massive. I know some of the dullards on here think this isn’t some conspiracy but here we have people wanting to force a vaccine on the public that hasn’t even been gestating as long as it takes to make a baby so how can it not be a conspiracy ? If i were a mad global citizen wanting to reduce population how would i do it? I wouldn’t kill everyone, it would be messy and unpleasant, i know communists like killing but it would take forever, no i’d make woman sterile. How can anyone say with any certainty at all this vaccine won’t make woman sterile? They fucking can’t.
I feel it’s a crime worthy of Nuremberg.
Total resistance and non compliance are what is needed. If you’re wearing a lanyard saying exempt take the fucking thing off. Any time you’re talking with a mask ask them the baby question and see how they can square this obvious danger. Go right back to normal now and don’t stress about it, know that you are fighting back because as it stands there will be blood on the streets up to our fucking knees before this shit is done with. I’d rather see the total destruction of everything i know and love than capitulate and cower in the fucking corner to such mediocre people as the likes of that fat clown Johnstone and the vile Sturgeon (can i call her that up here in shitty Scotland?) I’m pretty sure she’s trying to pass laws that say i can’t.

I wonder how the abortionists are going to Square a woman’s right to choose with a mandatory in all but name vaccine.I think we are going to see a lot of doublethink in action.

Oh, they won’t have a problem. Doublethink means the power of holding two contradictory beliefs in one’s mind simultaneously, and accepting both of them.

If it wasn’t so serious it would be fun to watch the mental gymnastics.Having said that that’s assuming there will be any debate on the vaccine rollout.

i should have added that not only are they insane dangerous people they also have all the guns. They can and will make you do what they want. How long till there is a Ghetto for the non vaccinated? In the interests of community safety they’ll need to round up the non vaxxxed and put them somewhere. I’ve seen the film of people rounded up and put in Ghettos and all you need are guns and people who think there is something evil, a threat to them and they’re lining up to be part of it. The west was the last free place on the earth but it’s got to go. It’s all being done though because of Carbon. too many people too much pollution, both are being cut.

What woman in her right mind would take any drugs that are deemed essential for her in the brave new world of BigPharma.

There’s always the possibility that the vaccine has been ‘gestating’ for a long time, much longer than this nine months.
Or does that fall into the ‘conspiracy theory’ bracket?

I suspect you are right with that assumption. They’ve just needed a reason to roll it out.

I don’t know if anyone here remembers a few years ago with the publication of DSM V – the American Psychiatric Association’s Diagnostic and Statistical Manual – the essential diagnostics manual for mental illnesses for Psychiatrists which has been around for years. Well, it was always believed that the Board of the APA was comprised mainly of Doctors, Psychiatrists and related professionals with reps from Big Pharma being less than a handful. DSM V had to be pulled from publication at the last minute because a Whistleblower told the truth. In fact, the Board is made up of mainly Big Pharma personnel with only a handful of Doctors and Psychiatrists. In the new DSM they had created new mental illnesses including Bereavement (which is a normal human condition) as being an illness for which, hey presto, it just so happens Big Pharma had developed a new drug which they wanted to market. There were quite a few ‘new’ psychiatric illnesses. Apparently, this has been the same for years. Big Pharma develop drugs and then a new ‘disorder’ is created for the marketing and use of these drugs.

I’m also thinking of ‘disorders’ such as the fictional SAD and others that have been foisted on us over the years. In other words, most of us are not mentally ill as such, rather, just struggling at periods in their life to cope with the major stresses of life, which affect us all. Most are just a human reaction to a trauma or emotional crisis no more no less. Extreme psychiatric disorders such as Chronic and acute depression, Bi-polar, Psychotic delusions and Schizophrenia (the four main ones) are only prevalent in a tiny percentage of the population. All of course, ‘managed’ by industrial levels of prescription of psychotropic drugs which get increased and increased. They more often than not result in Parkinsons, hair loss, teeth loss and other serious side effects. They also severely damage kidneys. Drugs as a form of managing day to day depression, anxiety, emotional trauma have little or no efficacy. In fact, the psychotropic drugs are only 30% effective and that is in the short term. After that, they have no effect at all or little to no effect.

Aside from the USA I think I am right in saying our GPs prescribe record levels of medications for even minor ailments compared to most other countries in the world. They do of course, as is widely known, receive significant financial inducements to do so in particular, Statins, which is generating billions of dollars for big pharma without having any real clinical efficacy. Statins are very dangerous drugs their function is to knock out your liver’s function major side effects include severe muscle cramping, memory loss (because your brain takes and needs 40% of your body’s cholestorol) and severe nausea and dizziness. Some years ago I assessed 180 people who had memory loss or coginitive problems. Of those 180 only 2 were not on Statins. If you look at the levels of Dementia in this country, or at least, if someonedid an in-depth study over 5 years I think they would find that the majority of people with memory loss or dementia were on Statins. If you want to read more about it then I suggest Zoe Harcombe and Dr Malcolm Kenrick’s excellent articles and books.

So, same old as now, big pharma create a drug which is not needed and which has serious side effects and, in my view, create a far bigger and life changing medical condition.

“What woman in their right mind would take this? ”, the same women who won’t drink a coffee because the caffeine may impact on the developing baby, but will happily take a flu and DTaP jab without batting an eye.

Nobody under 70, unless they have a serious/severe underlying health condition that cannot be otherwise managed (obesity, and ergo, type II diabetes) should be taking this or the Oxford/AZ vaccine. Not only have Phases I-III clinical trials been condensed from the normal 10 years into less than 6 months (the Pfizer Phase I trial was in July), but the pre-clinical animal trials that normally take 2 years, to allow for life cycle toxicity/side effects assessment, have been skipped completely. This could all go very badly wrong. The government cannot say it wasn’t warned.

“ Nobody under 70, unless they have a serious/severe underlying health condition that cannot be otherwise managed (obesity, and ergo, type II diabetes) should be taking this …”

Hang on. If you’re vulnerable (70+ with health problems), I reckon that you should be even more cautious about accepting a concoction with unknown consequences!

Is it just me?…or is this blog going easy on the vaccine roll out?

How do you see the vaccine roll out Harry?

My friends wife is a carer and she has already been told no jab no work

What sector does she work in?

A home carer for elderly people

How does she feel about having the ‘jab’? Obviously pressured!

Care workers are leaving;
https://www.nursingdirect.co.uk/news/news/the-social-care-sector-is-finding-things-difficult-with-nurse-churning
Can they afford to throw out staff who will not have the vaccine? if they do how does that go with an employment tribunal?

No my friend said she is onboard with a lot of the Covid rubbish.

I would recommend getting some legal advice as that is discrimination. Your friend’s wife could reject vaccination for a number of ethical, religious or health reasons other than just not wanting it.

No jab, no job – meet my lawyer.

• These carers need to remember it is not mandatory so they can’t be forced to take it. Especially if like us on here, they are deeply concerned about the lack of proper research, the rushed through process in the UK and the fact that Pfizer won’t be publishing any data until 2022. Also the Oxford/AstraZeneca vaccine is positively dangerous and is highly unlikely to be licenced by the FDA in the USA. I’d say no to it it’s too dangerous to have it.

Sue Sue Sue.

It’s all bollocks—to use a very scientific turn of phrase. If it’s a placebo (of which we will never know!) then what’s the point? If it’s not, then it’s a totally unproven jab of chemicals for a disease that hasn’t as yet been isolated and if it exists is no more dangerous than seasonal flu.
This whole shit show, for those who haven’t yet cottoned on, is not so much about disease prevention but more about a fundamental change in society and control of the masses.

Vey well tesculated!

I think its this editor/writer. Jonathan Barr seems to lack the incisive bite that Will and Toby have. Disappointing.

It is not easy to be sceptical given all the Covid zealot propaganda. Certainly my views and thoughts on this have hardened over the months but even now I wince at some of the views on this site.
But personally I have one clear objective in mind, ‘rescind all corona-virus legislation and move back to running Public Health in a normal manner with guidelines, consensus, cooperation and collaboration, no more public health by legal dictats and authoritarianism.
Whatever people say, whether strong opinions or mild opinions, if they are on board for helping achieve my objective they are OK by me.

Good for you!
My expectation of an editor/writer for a skeptics site is that they will find it easy to express skeptical opinions and argue with passion and vigour – take the role of leading from the front, so to speak.

It seemed to a public information broadcast.Maybe it’s been sponsored by HMG or the Bill & Melinda Gates foundation.
I cannot believe that there is not more pushback against an experimental vaccine for a not very dangerous virus.

I agree. When I first read it, I thought it seemed to lack its usual uplifting scepticism. Do you think they’ve been leaned on more heavily than usual?

I have that feeling too but wonder if there might be a concern that lockdown sceptics doesn’t get labelled as anti vaccine as it might be counter productive or even taken down?

I went to the Manchester anti lockdown protest yesterday with the hope people gathering can show the growing unrest and disillusionment with the COVID measures but the Manchester Evening News and Pat Carney local councillor have called the protesters conspiracy theorists and anti Vaxers. Initially the protesters were discredited as right wing, now as nutters.

I don’t know how we turn this around.

He has to be shown to be giving a balanced view or he’ll be a target for the Cancel Mob.

Even the smallest efforts and remarks amongst friends who differ in opinion will eventually turn the tide. This is not a new phenomenon, it is not events of 2020 that need reversing, it is decades of the subjugation of people to the mass that we are against.

The only way we turn this around is with bigger numbers on these protests. It; very easy calling a couple of hundreds or even thousand people ant vaxxers and nutters, when you have a couple of hundred thousand, or half a milion…Then they are fucked.

Absolutely, been saying it for 10 years.

That shows to me there is more concern in the powers that be. Very much fake news to call that crowd yesterday nutters, first event I have been to and to be honest I was expecting nutters and troublemakers and saw nothing of the sort, nor did the Police. Yes I would have liked to see bigger numbers but the passers by seemed generally supportive so it was a positive day.

What a left wing rag and far left-councillor say I care not a jot. They are promoting policy based on lies that will damage their City. That is nuts to me.

There’s a big discussion among us to be had about the best ways to turn around public opinion. We need the equivalent of SAGE psychologists working in the other direction. There’s a mountain of fear counter.

A few of us from the protest yesterday are going to leaflet and sticker our localities with those plain facts in proportion leaflets that were distributed in Manchester yesterday. The two questions that are always missing in MSM reports are: Compared to what? And Compared to when? Get people used to applying those questions and suddenly the numbers don’t look so scary.

No its not you. The editorials in the last few days have praised the ‘medical breakthrough’ of producing the saving vaccine so quickly without really questioning how or why, lauded Bill Wragg’s for his denunciation of ‘conspiracy theories’ and generally appears to accept the narrative.

This is what I wrote to Toby Young 4 days ago. (No reply as yet)

Hi Toby

You appear to have delegated the writing of your usually steady and often excellent blog to somebody who doesn’t fully understand the raison d’etre. My annotations on this extract from today’s lead story illustrate my concern:-

“This is a medical breakthrough(1) and, on the face of it, good news(2). Nonetheless, many Briton’s are not yet convinced that the vaccine is safe.(3) MailOnline has more :

One fifth of Britons are still unsure the Pfizer vaccine is safe while two thirds said Health Secretary Hancock should be given the jab live on air, according to a new survey by YouGov. Researchers asked more than 5,000 adults in Britain how confident they were that the new Pfizer vaccine is safe. In response, 20% of those asked said they were either not confident at all or not very confident that the vaccine would be safe. Just over a quarter, 27% of people said they are “very confident” it will be safe while 43% said they are “somewhat confident”.

Sceptics must be careful(4) to avoid excessive application of the precautionary principle here.(5) Of course, it hasn’t been definitively proved that the vaccine is safe.(6) But then again, it can’t be proved, categorically, that it would be safe to end all Government-mandated restrictions tomorrow and we don’t regard that as a good reason not to do so.(7) It’s about a balance of risk and we should apply that same calculus here. Provided it is left entirely up to the individual about whether to take the vaccine or not, and no efforts are made to compel people to take it, either directly or indirectly, we welcome it.”(8)

(1) A political decision has been taken to approve the mass vaccination of the UK population using a novel and experimental formulation whose efficacy and safety is as yet essentially unkown. This does not constitute a medical breakthrough for anyone with half a brain never mind a sceptical disposition. Even the propaganda merchants at the BBC recognise that the approval process for new vaccines normally takes 10 years. The membership of the organisation which has given such premature approval is absolutely not independent of both commercial and Government interests and influence.

(2) The actual news for us sceptics is that the administration of this vaccine will not necessarily lead to the relaxation of restrictions unless of course the latter is made conditional on the former as has been mooted publicly by Government and advisors. This is not good news for anyone except the brainwashed.

(3) This sentiment could have been lifted from the BBC itself: the idea that this vaccine could be honestly described as ‘safe’ is, objectively speaking, actually a chimera and the Government itself is expecting ‘a high volume of adverse drug reactions’ according to the MHRA (the same MHRA that has just approved the vaccine as effective and safe). Your blog says ‘not yet convinced’, the Mail says ‘still unsure’ as if the desirability of universal belief in the safety of this experimental drug should be taken for granted. What specious rubbish! (At least the Mail writer understands apostrophes. Sorry, couldn’t resist.)

(4) The use of the word ‘must’ in connection with our behaviour may be appropriate to the law, even in the Highway Code, but is surely out of place on your blog. Please can your writer try to sound a bit less like a Government spokesperson telling us the rules?

(5) This makes no sense unless the writer is encouraging a more relaxed attitude to the taking of the vaccine than is warranted by the facts. The precautionary principle has already been abandoned on our behalf by the producers and promoters of the vaccine (eg. by shrinking a 10/15 year process down to 9 months and ignoring the usual protocols to do so). Why then should we be thinking in terms of avoiding ‘excessive application’ of this principle for ourselves?

(6) Your writer is setting up a false comparison by first proposing the impossible. No vaccines are ‘definitively proved’ to be ‘safe’ however beneficial they generally may be; the onset of an adverse drug reaction can never be ruled out and it is dishonest to imply that this could ever be the case.

to be continued…..

….

(7) Comparing one logical fallacy with another of a different kind has never made for good argument for anything. Of course all the normal prior agreed standards and stages for vaccine approval, if followed, would enable an informed judgement to be made by any indiviual on whether to take it or not. We (in theory) make that decision from a position of (unvaccinated) freedom. Sadly, apart from the few very brave public campaigners and resistors, it is not in the gift of individuals to choose whether or not to obey Government-mandated restrictions – they are mandated by the Government and we find ourselves burdened by them and wishing ourselves free of them without false argument or caveat. We know that whether some fool somewhere thinks we should remain locked down for the sake of ‘safety’ is neither here nor there. That’s what makes us ‘lockdown sceptics’. Not so sure about your writer on this evidence.

(8) ‘We welcome it’ Really? The conditions evoked by ‘Provided…’ ignore the overwhelming evidence that what your writer is hoping to take for granted will not in fact be the case. It is clear that various forms of coercion to submit to this treatment are currently on the stocks, including the threat of exclusion from places and/or activities, (from healthcare?) and the use of behavioural science to manipulate compliance. Of more relevance to Lockdown Sceptics, surely, is the threat of a continuation of lockdown [see (2) above]. Meanwhile all print and broadcast media and social media platforms will be working to push the Government line which is ‘we welcome it’. That rings a bell.

Much of the rest of his piece is good enough, which makes that bit look particularly aberrant. I’m concerned also by yet another mention of the idea that the politicians and advisors could be vaccinated first in order to reassure the public. If I were in their shoes I would happily accept a shot of saline solution for the sake of successful grandstanding….

Can I suggest that you consider the Government’s vaccine programme in conjunction with the lockdowns that you’ve hitherto consistently and vigorously opposed? The two policies are joined at the hip, the one sustains the other. Promoting lockdown scepticism without at least querying the CV19 vaccine makes no sense; there is a danger that your advocacy of the first on its own could lead you into a compromised position on the second. Just a thought.

I do have one more particular beef:

The ‘Postcard from New Zealand’ is a travesty. What is it doing on the ‘Lockdown Sceptics’ blog? Please remove it!

Best wishes

Alan