2020-12-07

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288953 Nick Rose, replying to Nick Rose, 14, #1 of 1952 🔗

1st time first!

288971 ▶▶ annie, replying to Nick Rose, 11, #2 of 1952 🔗

Rose early?

289907 ▶▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to annie, 1, #3 of 1952 🔗

:o))

289210 ▶▶ sam, replying to Nick Rose, 5, #4 of 1952 🔗

I wonder if the MSM will report this and what Moderna has to say about it??
https://celebritiesdeaths.com/father-john-fields-death-dead-philadelphia-priest-who-was-part-of-modernas-phase-3-covid-19-vaccine-clinical-trials-has-died/?feed_id=11920&_unique_id=5fcc1dc902d0e
Father John Fields Death -Dead : Philadelphia priest who was part of Moderna’s Phase 3 COVID-19 vaccine clinical trials has died.
Father John Fields has died , according to the following statements posted on social media on December 5. 2020.
“Melody on Twitter: “A Philadelphia priest who was part of Moderna’s Phase 3 COVID-19 vaccine clinical trials has died. Father John Fields was first to volunteer when the University of Pa requested for people middle age to early 70s to participate in trials, according to Dialog Catholic News Service.”

289235 ▶▶▶ Richard Pinch, replying to sam, 4, #5 of 1952 🔗

A 70-year-old man in the USA has about a 1% chance of dying in the period since the trial started, and the Moderna trials involved 30,000 volunteers. One would expect about 100 deaths in a randomly selected group that size over the period since the trial began.

289241 ▶▶▶▶ sam, replying to Richard Pinch, 1, #6 of 1952 🔗

so what you’re saying is it couldn’t possibly be a result of the vaccine?!

289251 ▶▶▶▶▶ Richard Pinch, replying to sam, 6, #7 of 1952 🔗

so what you’re saying is it couldn’t possibly be a result of the vaccine?!

No, of course not: I’m saying that one reported death gives very little statistical evidence either way. If 10% of the volunteers in their 70s had died by now, I would say there was very strong reason to investigate. As it is, the way. to find out whether it’s connected with the vaccine is to carry out actual tests.

289310 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Freecumbria, replying to Richard Pinch, 7, #8 of 1952 🔗

What all the trials should do (but won’t) is report the total number of people who have died of all causes having been in the control arm vs how many have died of all causes in the vaccine arm.

289455 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Rowan, replying to Freecumbria, 2, #9 of 1952 🔗

That would be far too revealing.

289614 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ OKUK, replying to Freecumbria, 3, #10 of 1952 🔗

But the control group in the UK is receiving the meningitis vaccine! Not a placebo!!

289530 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Richard Pinch, 3, #11 of 1952 🔗

There are no details of any symptoms (or lack of) leading up to his death. Just to declare that he died is totally meaningless.

289970 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Dale, replying to Richard Pinch, #12 of 1952 🔗

Looks like healthy 70 year olds have approximately the same odds of being felled by the vaccine than by Covid.

290086 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Richard Pinch, replying to Dale, #13 of 1952 🔗

Funnily enough, that’s more or less the case in the UK. In most adult age groups, the additional risk of death from Covid per day was roughly 60% of normal mortality.

That’s leads to a, very much back-of-envelope calculations that the additional of death risk from 5 days social mixing at Christmas is equal to about 3 days normal risk.

289333 ▶▶▶▶ J4mes, replying to Richard Pinch, 2, #14 of 1952 🔗

Statistics aside, will they and the MSM disclose the cause of death?

289461 ▶▶▶▶▶ Rowan, replying to J4mes, #15 of 1952 🔗

Why would they?

290869 ▶▶▶▶▶ sam, replying to J4mes, #16 of 1952 🔗

we stil hvaen’t had the cause confirmed in the BRazilian death either. THe media said he was in the control group (meningitis vaccine?) but it was not conirmed as the study was ongoing. We need to know

289612 ▶▶▶▶ OKUK, replying to Richard Pinch, 1, #17 of 1952 🔗

Not sure about that. Firstly, the trial was for people from middle age to early 70s, not hustlers people in their seventies, so that should lower the expectation. Secondly, surely most people who die at age 70 will have been seriously ill with a variety of conditions eg cancer, heart disease, diabetes,Parkinson’s etc for several weeks or months. I think it highly unlikely that seriously ill people would have been chosen for a vaccine trial. So the real measure here would be how many people aged 70 who have not been seriously ill previously would be likely to die in the relevant period of however many weeks. I would suggest the figure would be a lot lower than 1%, maybe more like 0.1 % .

289640 ▶▶▶▶▶ OKUK, replying to OKUK, 1, #18 of 1952 🔗

hustlers! Lol fat finger syndrome – should be “just”!

289878 ▶▶▶▶ PastImperfect, replying to Richard Pinch, #19 of 1952 🔗

What was the age range and distribution of the volunteers, and how many others have died?

289452 ▶▶▶ Rowan, replying to sam, -5, #20 of 1952 🔗

He may have done the world a service by being killed by the vaccine, but I can’t help feeling that he was just a silly old fool.

288954 Cristi.Neagu, replying to Cristi.Neagu, 38, #22 of 1952 🔗

Professor Lim said age was the single most important factor in the estimated risk of mortality, and everyone in the country older than 50 will be vaccinated by the end of phase one.

Whether they like it or not?

288956 ▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to Cristi.Neagu, 19, #23 of 1952 🔗

I’ll take my chances without (am 54).

Right-o, off to work!

289014 ▶▶▶ 6097 Smith W, replying to Nick Rose, 9, #24 of 1952 🔗

Not for long your not you will soon need your vaccine passport to leave the house

289017 ▶▶▶▶ karenovirus, replying to 6097 Smith W, 6, #25 of 1952 🔗

I have still got a scrappy bit of paper issued to me by the NHS listing the various inoculation I had received in the 1960s, never had to show it to anyone as I recall.

289025 ▶▶▶▶▶ Steve Martindale, replying to karenovirus, 44, #26 of 1952 🔗

With all this talk of vaccine certificates and testing certificates, if I find I need one? I am pinning my hopes on some enterprising young IT wizz kids in Lagos or Mumbai coming up with a range of fake certificates and scam documentation. There is already a big black market in Africa for fake Yellow Fever vaccination cards and you can buy a Covid test result in Bangladesh. Surely somebody, somewhere is already working on this?

289043 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Eliza P., replying to Steve Martindale, 26, #27 of 1952 🔗

A fake vax card is already jokingly being talked about. By absolute sheer coincidence, of course, I published the photo of the governments vax card on an anti-Lockdown Facebook group I am an admin. of – just out of interest you unnerstand.

289453 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Quernus, replying to Eliza P., 4, #28 of 1952 🔗

Which group is that, Eliza? I’d like to join if I’m not already a member 🙂

289048 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Steve Martindale, #29 of 1952 🔗

Can they extract fluids or otherwise examine people to see if they have actually been vaccinated?

289145 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Just Stop it Now, replying to karenovirus, 23, #30 of 1952 🔗

‘Extract fluids’? That’s what the government have been doing to all of us since March 2020! I prefer to call it ‘taking the p***’!

289375 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Andrew K, replying to Steve Martindale, 3, #31 of 1952 🔗

Unfortunately it will all be based on blockchain technology making it almost impossible to use a fake pass. Remember this will all be digital ID. It will be scanned at airports or even train ticket barriers. Blockchain will ensure each and every pass will be unique.

289423 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Suze Burtenshaw, replying to Andrew K, 7, #32 of 1952 🔗

That assumes everyone has a smart phone young enough to carry the pass. Many sceptics will either say they haven’t got such a phone or will genuinely not own one, don’t you think?

289542 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Suze Burtenshaw, 7, #33 of 1952 🔗

They’ve already said there’d be paper ones. Can’t expect 80 year old pensioners choosing between food and heating to cough up for a smartphone so they can prove they’ve been given the mark of the beast.

289633 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ OKUK, replying to Steve Martindale, 1, #34 of 1952 🔗

My daughter at age 15 used to have a fake Irish driving licence indicating she was 19…it was replete with misspelling of licence as in American English.

The cards will be easily forgeable I suspect but a digital passport linked to your phone could be a lot more secure.

289728 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to Steve Martindale, 3, #35 of 1952 🔗

The east european organised criminals will be all over it. Relax.

289784 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ sam, replying to Steve Martindale, 1, #36 of 1952 🔗

me too, was remembering reading about all the forged papers used by the french resistance .

289463 ▶▶▶▶ Rowan, replying to 6097 Smith W, 6, #37 of 1952 🔗

That may come, but it will need some big changes to make it legal, but give it a year or so and those who have been vaccinated will not be going anywhere, either.

289912 ▶▶▶ fiery, replying to Nick Rose, 5, #38 of 1952 🔗

I’m also happy to take my chances and am absolutely fuming that because I’m 60 will probably going be hounded and hunted by the NHS to have this damn vaccine. This is despite not being overweight or having any health problems whatsoever and in fact I’m a lot fitter then some people half my age.

288966 ▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Cristi.Neagu, 13, #39 of 1952 🔗

My first thought also but as the full roll out keeps getting pushed back at least there might be a chance of short term side effects emerging before compulsion becomes reality.

289003 ▶▶▶ Will, replying to karenovirus, 19, #40 of 1952 🔗

I don’t think anyone who isn’t considered clinically vulnerable will ever get this jab and only a small number of them will get this before it is withdrawn because it kills people. Whether they will be able to get people to then take the Astra Zeneca jab will be interesting.

288972 ▶▶ annie, replying to Cristi.Neagu, 6, #41 of 1952 🔗

Phase 1 will probably last up to next Christmas.

288987 ▶▶▶ Andrew Fish, replying to annie, 19, #42 of 1952 🔗

The Telegraph are reporting that immunity as a result of the vaccine might only last three months, so if it takes that long they’ll have to just keep vaccinating the same people over and over again.

289006 ▶▶▶▶ Will, replying to Andrew Fish, 20, #43 of 1952 🔗

Forth Road bridge vaccinations.

289181 ▶▶▶▶ Waldorf, replying to Andrew Fish, 7, #44 of 1952 🔗

Such a system seems unworkable to me and likely to collapse if they attempt it.

289234 ▶▶▶▶▶ Andrew Fish, replying to Waldorf, 8, #45 of 1952 🔗

Totally agree, but it means the idea of vaccinating the whole country is a non-starter. Julia Hartley-Brewer was interviewing a doctor the other day and he reckoned it would take 23 months to do that. Even if the Telegraph claims are incorrect, we couldn’t afford nearly two years more of repression.

289554 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Andrew Fish, #46 of 1952 🔗

My MP assured me that Richi Satan’s furlough scheme will save the economy.

289546 ▶▶▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Waldorf, 2, #47 of 1952 🔗

Another Boris bridge? Makes the Scotland-to-Ireland one sound quite feasible.

289951 ▶▶▶▶ richard riewer, replying to Andrew Fish, 1, #48 of 1952 🔗

$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$

289011 ▶▶ LS99, replying to Cristi.Neagu, 1, #49 of 1952 🔗

Is it even licensed yet?

289021 ▶▶▶ karenovirus, replying to LS99, 10, #50 of 1952 🔗

No, it’s authorised as an ’emergency’.

289075 ▶▶ CarrieAH, replying to Cristi.Neagu, 26, #51 of 1952 🔗

Well I won’t be, so that’s not “everyone” . And I know I’m not alone. A risky vaccine containing god knows what – or a tiny chance of catching a virus with a 99.96% chance of survival? Easy choice.

289122 ▶▶▶ Bella Donna, replying to CarrieAH, 11, #52 of 1952 🔗

They can do one!! My body My freakin choice!

289120 ▶▶ Nsklent, replying to Cristi.Neagu, 7, #53 of 1952 🔗

Yes, I noticed that. What happened to ‘offer’.

289407 ▶▶ Burlington, replying to Cristi.Neagu, 18, #54 of 1952 🔗

I have no intention of becoming a crash test dummy for this bunch of Dr Frankenstein’s….
I am 67 and I am 95% sure I contracted this virus back in early January. Flu like symptoms and a persistent cough that wouldn’t shift for a few weeks. We thought it was just another bug that was going around after Christmas. Many of my friends both younger and older had similar symptoms and our immune systems successfully fought it off.
I consider that I have got a fairly good natural immunity for my age, and I am probably an early contributor to heard immunity.
I am a survivor of the great cholesterol & statins con six years ago. So I am very wary when these so called “experts”* say that everyone over the age of 60 should be mass medicated or vaccinated.
I have no intention of accepting an experimental vaccination. The benefits of which are dubious to say the least and far outweighed by the unknown risks of an incompletely tested vaccine. My immune system works well enough for me with a daily supplement of 4000 iu vitamin D3.

*expert – Noun – X the unknown quantity spurt a drip under pressure. (See also – Twat)

289535 ▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Cristi.Neagu, 2, #55 of 1952 🔗

Worried me too!

289594 ▶▶ PWL, replying to Cristi.Neagu, 3, #56 of 1952 🔗

The only people who won’t have a choice are the people who have been abandoned in care homes by their children.

It looks like the UK Government backed out of sticking the needle to NHS staff first because of the size of the refusal.

Forget Dangerous Infertility Causing Vaccines, Covid-19 Is Prevented By The Humble Pineapple (Say Researchers)

289626 ▶▶ OKUK, replying to Cristi.Neagu, 19, #57 of 1952 🔗

Message to Professor Lim: fuck off, we won’t all be vaccinated, you presumptive little twat. I haven’t had and won’t have the flu vaccine. I won’t have this one either, thanks. I’ll trust to my natural immunity and once that packs up I’ll know it’s time to die.

288957 Cristi.Neagu, replying to Cristi.Neagu, 32, #58 of 1952 🔗

The immunity passport bit made my laugh. Not a “funny haha” laugh, but a “these people are insane haha” laugh. Think about it: They caught on to the idea that people will not accept restrictions based on vaccination. It will not happen (at least, for now). So, ok, let’s settle for less. If we can’t impose this on all people, what the next largest population that we can target amidst a pandemic that barely affects anyone? I know! People that have not had the virus! So in a world where getting the virus is pretty rare, your only other option is to get a vaccine. These people… i swear. They could give lessons on evil machinations to Machiavelli himself.

288958 ▶▶ Dorian_Hawkmoon, replying to Cristi.Neagu, 31, #59 of 1952 🔗

We are just being treated like livestock now.

289138 ▶▶▶ Cheshire Andy, replying to Dorian_Hawkmoon, 12, #60 of 1952 🔗

Correct, that’s exactly the way the (real) perpetrators of this scam view us.

289560 ▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Dorian_Hawkmoon, 4, #61 of 1952 🔗

Doesn’t help that many people are behaving like sheep.

Actually, sheep are quite intelligent, so that’s an insult to the real sheep.

288991 ▶▶ NorthumbrianNomad, replying to Cristi.Neagu, 24, #62 of 1952 🔗

Machiavelli was not evil, he was pragmatic. That was the whole point. The purpose was to consolidate the rule of the prince. Dissimulation was acceptable if it served that purpose. There is absolutely zero doubt that, if Machiavelli had been in charge this year, he would have told the government to keep the economy running normally in order to steal a march on rivals, to lie about the number of deaths (ie claim it to be as near zero as plausible), censor all discussion of the virus and to let it run its course. In other words, Machiavelli is – unfortunately- in charge only in the PRC.

288995 ▶▶▶ chaos, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, 12, #63 of 1952 🔗

Good point.. Xi Jinping has probaly told Klaus.. yeah yeah sound good. We defnite on board yeah with smaller economy and windfarms.

ha ha yeah. definite. promise.

289018 ▶▶▶▶ 6097 Smith W, replying to chaos, 9, #64 of 1952 🔗

Klaus does what he is told.
The Emperor of China does what he likes

289476 ▶▶▶▶ Jonathan Palmer, replying to chaos, #65 of 1952 🔗

Are they still building a coal power plant every week in China?

290484 ▶▶▶▶ Bungle, replying to chaos, #66 of 1952 🔗

Is that Santa Klaus?

289064 ▶▶▶ Ovis, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, 7, #67 of 1952 🔗

Machiavelli was also clear that a prince was not his preferred form of government. He wanted a republican system.

Yes, he would be much better than the twots we’ve got in the current situation.

289150 ▶▶▶ swedenborg, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, 4, #68 of 1952 🔗

Very interesting and exactly on spot comment. More nations are bound to go into that road. Eastern European nations(first those outside EU) would be highest on the list among the developed nations outside the third world. There are many precedents incl. in Ethiopia where a certain Dr Teodoros, health minister at the time, covered up cholera outbreaks stamping them childhood diarrhoea.

288959 Ed Phillips, replying to Ed Phillips, 204, #69 of 1952 🔗

Some of us aren’t going to the shops because of the ridiculous rules and restrictions.
I’m not scared of the virus or other people but I don’t want to be harangued for not wearing a mask, I don’t want to do a stupid dance with people trying to distance from them and I don’t want to be cattle herded round a one way system or whatever other nonsense is put in place.

Lift all restrictions and declare the virus ‘defeated’ and you’ll begin to see the retail sector revive much quicker.

288965 ▶▶ Suze Burtenshaw, replying to Ed Phillips, 131, #70 of 1952 🔗

Same for me – I go to our local Co-op where they’re not anal about masks. I wear a lanyard downloaded from the gov. site. It is specifically non-medical as I won’t lie. Very occasionally we go to a garden centre/farm shop nearby. I try to be smiley to the zombie maskoids just to make the point that masks are abnormal, etc. Mostly, I just want to take a baseball bat to their masks. (Did I say that out loud?)
Our shopping is all bare minimum stuff now. I will not go shopping for any non-essentials or to a pub or restaurant or cafe or hairdresser until masks are voluntary. I think you’re right, to be honest, and we aren’t alone in our dislike (for me, hatred) of the ridiculous shenanigans one is expected to employ in shops. If it stops you and me shopping, it stops others, too.

288974 ▶▶▶ annie, replying to Suze Burtenshaw, 66, #71 of 1952 🔗

Hatred, yes. I never go near a shop unless I have to, and then it will be a shop that I know is run by humans, even if forcibly nappied. But I can’t get away from the nauseating nappyzombies.

289009 ▶▶▶▶ Suze Burtenshaw, replying to annie, 89, #72 of 1952 🔗

I never knew I could loathe something so much! Just one glimpse of a mask and I can feel my BP rising. My long-suffering husband tries various ways to calm me down so that now, he’s more of a handler than a husband. Poor thing…

289029 ▶▶▶▶▶ TJN, replying to Suze Burtenshaw, 105, #73 of 1952 🔗

Yes, me too. It’s odd isn’t it. I just can’t stand them. If I was overtly religious I’d think Satan had won.

Masks stand for everything we shouldn’t be as human beings: blind compliance; virtue signalling; cowardice (especially cowardice); herd mentality; scientific ignorance; gullibility … the list goes on.

I HATE MASKS. And I can’t even bring myself to look at anyone who’s wearing one, or at least to take them seriously.

289038 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ KBuchanan, replying to TJN, 25, #74 of 1952 🔗

Agree , blind compliance in a Labrador, great – in human beings?? Shudder.

289123 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Suze Burtenshaw, replying to TJN, 39, #75 of 1952 🔗

I think the ones I hate most of all are the ‘pretty’ patterned ones because the wearers have validated masks by actually choosing a pattern. At least the hideous blue things look like they’ve been bought as a ‘oh well, if I have to I’ll buy this cheap pack’ type of thing. A curse on the all!

289127 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Fiona Walker, replying to Suze Burtenshaw, 18, #76 of 1952 🔗

No, the pretty patterned ones are easier to make slits and holes in so you can breathe 😊 .

289142 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Winston Smith, replying to Fiona Walker, 17, #77 of 1952 🔗

Why don’t you just not wear one?

289783 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Rowan, replying to Winston Smith, 13, #78 of 1952 🔗

Agreed and I have never worn a mask or been challenged. I guess it helps to be seventy something, even if I don’t think I look that decrepit.

The main problem with masks, is that other people still wear them, clearly showing a level of stupidity and a lack of awareness that has to be seen to be believed.

289156 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Suze Burtenshaw, replying to Fiona Walker, 3, #79 of 1952 🔗

Hehe.

289215 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ TJN, replying to Suze Burtenshaw, 23, #80 of 1952 🔗

That’s true. ‘Look at me in my pretty patterned mask. Aren’t I a good person with good fashion taste …’.

Actually the ones I hate the most are the big black things – I guess the latent perverts wear those.

289275 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Suze Burtenshaw, replying to TJN, 9, #81 of 1952 🔗

Yep, I hate those pervert black ones as well. Mind you, I watched a big chap lumber out of his car, head for the shop and fish out the filthiest ‘white’ rag from his pocket. Honestly don’t know which was worse – black pervert or filthy white.

290510 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Proudtobeapeasant, replying to Suze Burtenshaw, 2, #82 of 1952 🔗

My husband was issued with them in the Tesco warehouse where he works about 3 weeks ago. He has to wear one in corridors etc. but not in general. He got given 4 I think. He has yet to give me one to wash!!! And as for the one he keeps in the car….

290506 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Proudtobeapeasant, replying to Suze Burtenshaw, 5, #83 of 1952 🔗

I sew a lot but I refused to make them from the beginning. I hate seeing the adverts on Facebook etc. for these oh-so-pretty masks. I’ve always thought that if the government wants us to wear them then they should provide them, free of charge, and just the blue ones. I look round the shops where virtually everyone is wearing one and think – do all these people really think they are doing some good? Or are they just wearing them because they’ve been told to? I think the latter in many cases. In which case all they have to do is stop wearing them! I have never worn one and the only shops where I have had trouble were charity shops. Never in the supermarkets.

289377 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Two-Six, replying to TJN, 5, #84 of 1952 🔗

Same

289517 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Borisbullshit, replying to TJN, 15, #85 of 1952 🔗

Feel every bit as strongly myself…..and what I am increasingly noticing is how they are becoming normalised in the media. You cant switch on a computer and go to your e mail page without seeing some masked politician or celebrity and they are increasingly used in adverts on TV. Many TV adverts use cartoon characters now as they are cheaper than people and I even saw a cartoon character with a mask on on one.

290333 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Cheshirecatslave, replying to Borisbullshit, 2, #86 of 1952 🔗

I was horrified to get a Christmas card from an American blog buddy showing a masked cat!

290515 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Proudtobeapeasant, replying to Borisbullshit, 2, #87 of 1952 🔗

The other day I saw a photo of a smiling pleasant faced unmasked woman and I found myself thinking that there was something odd about her, and then I realized that she wasn’t wearing a mask and that I had become so conditioned to seeing people in masks that I instinctively thought it was odd that she wasn’t….

289824 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ sam, replying to TJN, 9, #88 of 1952 🔗

i’m so glad im not alone in my insane hatred of the masks , i keep getting presents of mask s but thye go right in the bag to give away or maybe fabric recycle is better use

290823 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Llamasaurus Rex, replying to TJN, 4, #89 of 1952 🔗

I HATE MASKS TOO. Many excellent comments here, and I agree totally with so many of them.
i also can’t stand the Gessler’s hat rejoinder, “stay safe”. Why don’t they just say Heil Hitler? Brainwashed idiots.

289151 ▶▶▶▶▶ music girl, replying to Suze Burtenshaw, 15, #90 of 1952 🔗

I feel like this about seeing people rubbing sanitiser over their hands, I don’t know why but it gives me chronic stresses, makes me feel really queezy. I’ve always felt odd about rubbing of hands (I work at shows where people try hand cream at a neighbouring stand and that gives me the heeby jeebies!) so I’m often found in the street with my eyes shut until the offending hand rubber gets on their bike or on the bus and out of vision. Perhaps I’m just odd like that…

289217 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ TJN, replying to music girl, 7, #91 of 1952 🔗

Echoes of Lady Macbeth and the guilt I posted about on here a couple of days ago.

289746 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to music girl, 10, #92 of 1952 🔗

Observing other people in the grip of a trauma-induced OCD can indeed be very unsettling.

290517 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Proudtobeapeasant, replying to music girl, 2, #93 of 1952 🔗

I hate that too, and the smell, and the feel of it on supermarket trolleys that have been done.

289286 ▶▶▶▶▶ The Filthy Engineer, replying to Suze Burtenshaw, 37, #94 of 1952 🔗

I too experienced “The Rage” while out with the family shopping on Saturday. It started off well enough with a a stop at a small chain coffee house. But The Rage soon built up as I watched the supine gullibility of the British public go through the parody, the pantomime and pretence of mask wearing. Watching people come and go, pulling the rancid thing out of their pockets and wear it just to get served then taking it off again. I noticed that one woman’s mask was missing an ear loop and she felt that it was acceptable to just clamp the thing to her mouth with her gloved hand.

Of the four staff behind the counter only one was unmasked but I did have a very pleasant conversation about masks with the young girl that made my coffee. I asked her to pull her mask down so that I could here her properly, which she did. Then admitted that she hated the thing and that she had severe asthma. I told her to claim an exemption as I do for asthma but she just replied that it was easier to comply.

My wife, a quasi-sceptic doesn’t like the mask but wears it, in her words, “to avoid confrontation and because I’ve been told to wear one”.

We end up winding each other up. Everytime we went into a shop she “harumphed” at having to put the mask on and every time she “harumphed” I “harumped” back and said, “Just don’t put the fucking thing on if it bothers you that much”. But still she complied. And so it went on.

By the end of the morning I had gone from mild amusement to The Rage and it meant that the whole thing was not a pleasant experience.

290497 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Bungle, replying to The Filthy Engineer, 1, #95 of 1952 🔗

Great,I’m doing research into why people want to wear them and you’ve helped! Cheers

289378 ▶▶▶▶▶ Two-Six, replying to Suze Burtenshaw, 8, #96 of 1952 🔗

Mrs Two-Six literally won’t let me go out alone. Seriously.

289439 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Suze Burtenshaw, replying to Two-Six, 1, #97 of 1952 🔗

The red mist descends, does it? 😉

289444 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Alan P, replying to Suze Burtenshaw, 7, #98 of 1952 🔗

Reading your comments is just like listening to myself!

In my case it’s my wife who has to act as the handler….

290282 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Two-Six, replying to Suze Burtenshaw, 1, #99 of 1952 🔗

Oh yes, 3.5 seconds……perhaps 4

289510 ▶▶▶▶ Borisbullshit, replying to annie, 3, #100 of 1952 🔗

They always look so bloody miserable too……and boy do they give you a dirty look for never wearing one lol.

289801 ▶▶▶▶▶ Rowan, replying to Borisbullshit, 5, #101 of 1952 🔗

The dirty look behind a mask isn’t too intimidating, whereas the unmasked can return that dirty look with added interest.

290262 ▶▶▶▶▶ David Grimbleby, replying to Borisbullshit, 2, #102 of 1952 🔗

How can you tell ?

289126 ▶▶▶ Nsklent, replying to Suze Burtenshaw, 36, #103 of 1952 🔗

Yet note the guy in the article was still under this illusion that shops need to make people feel safe to make them return. When will they wake up that, for most, it is the restrictions that are putting people off. So they add more…

289161 ▶▶▶▶ Suze Burtenshaw, replying to Nsklent, 29, #104 of 1952 🔗

I think, if I hear the word ‘safe’ once more, I’ll scream! Double grrrrrr!

289174 ▶▶▶▶▶ disgruntled246, replying to Suze Burtenshaw, 34, #105 of 1952 🔗

People signing off emails ‘stay safe’. Oh crikey, I was actually going to jump out of a plane without a parachute until you told me to stay safe.

289291 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Suze Burtenshaw, replying to disgruntled246, 20, #106 of 1952 🔗

Always makes me want to do something mad like hurling myself in front of a lorry or throw myself off a cliff, just to do the opposite of staying safe! I hate those ads that include the phrase ‘to help you shop safely’. I say ‘hate’ a lot these days. Not good. There’s a lot to hate at the moment.

289694 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Ed Turnbull, replying to Suze Burtenshaw, 11, #107 of 1952 🔗

Yes, that grinds my gums too. Some months ago I received an advertising email from a local car dealer (I’d visited them before the coronabollocks began to enquire about a new car) informing me of all the measures they had in place to ensure my ‘safety’. I responded by pointing out that as long as they could warrant their showroom was free of snipers, IEDs and armed insurgents I’d hold their duty toward my safety to be discharged. I also pointed out that so long as they continued to perform their ridiculous pantomime in fealty to The Narrative they’d not be seeing a single pound of my hard-earned. I never received a reply. Funny that.

290524 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Proudtobeapeasant, replying to Suze Burtenshaw, 5, #108 of 1952 🔗

Or when you’re in a shop and you hear, yet again, “We’re doing all we can to keep you safe”.

290600 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to Proudtobeapeasant, 3, #109 of 1952 🔗

It makes me want to carry either a machete or an AK-47. If I here that phrase or a variation thereof, I either want to stab or shoot them.

290707 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Edward, replying to Suze Burtenshaw, 2, #110 of 1952 🔗

There are signs in my city centre saying amongst other things “Avoid touching your face”. You can guess what I do when I see them.

289744 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ JamesDrebin, replying to disgruntled246, 4, #111 of 1952 🔗

My favourite response to “stay safe” is:

“Thanks! It’s a 99.97% certainty, after all!”

289821 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Lisa (formerly) from Toronto, replying to JamesDrebin, 10, #112 of 1952 🔗

I’ve replaced “safe” with “sane” and I make sure I let people know it’s not a typo.

289271 ▶▶▶▶ Ned of the Hills, replying to Nsklent, 14, #113 of 1952 🔗

Back in July, I think it was July, when mortality rates were at their lowest, it seemed inexplicable to me that the P.M went on a photo opportunity shoot round various shops in his constituency wearing a mask. This was softening the public up for the great mask wearing mandate.

Then I perceived a justification for it. Not enough people were shopping. They’d be become too fearful. Masks would give them courage to enter. Yea, I believe it was one of the justifications given to the preamble to the required legislation.

What a malevolent gene has been let out the bottle.

289202 ▶▶▶ fiery, replying to Suze Burtenshaw, 19, #114 of 1952 🔗

I also only go food shopping – maskless and usually give the zombies a fixed stare followed by either a shake of my head or eye ball roll. I’ve only been to a few pubs since March largely because I don’t want to leave my name and phone number. Fortunately my phone is so ancient I can’t download the app.

289298 ▶▶▶▶ Suze Burtenshaw, replying to fiery, 4, #115 of 1952 🔗

Mmm, me too. That’s what I do on my unsmiley baseball bat days. Do they get it, though? Probably not.

289488 ▶▶▶▶ HelzBelz, replying to fiery, 4, #116 of 1952 🔗

That’s me too! Muzzle free and able to issue a Paddington Stare at the faceless zombies! I’m thinking I will start going to the pub again; if asked for my details I will say no and ask them if they want my business or not… will be an interesting experiment.

289265 ▶▶▶ Keen Cook, replying to Suze Burtenshaw, 12, #117 of 1952 🔗

I agree. Other than to the big retailer (in the UK) who happily gave me the sunflower lanyard on July 23rd I haven’t been to another -out of the village -shop – my butcher in the village is a sceptic and Talk radio fan so we have lots of good rants when he’s quiet; fish man that delivers my fresh fish from Grimsby market (still open – just) in a van and my hairdresser (when she’s allowed to open) respects my non-mask exemption. Until I can walk around freely I can’t be bothered with all the hostility and gloom.

289307 ▶▶▶ Andrew K, replying to Suze Burtenshaw, 17, #118 of 1952 🔗

Perhaps this is exactly what the behavior therapist at sage had predicted and planned for. Win/Win for them and their great reset plan. Either you’re faceless, dehumanised gormless arsehole or like you and me you avaoid the shops because of these restrictions. Isn’t that what they want. Destroy all small business.

289625 ▶▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Andrew K, 5, #119 of 1952 🔗

That’s been my take on it.

289323 ▶▶▶ Caroline Watson, replying to Suze Burtenshaw, 18, #120 of 1952 🔗

I did a YouGov poll the other day where one question was, ‘When I see people wearing masks outside, I feel…….’ The options were Anxious, Comforted and Other. There was no Incandescent Rage option!
Clearly trying to normalise the ridiculous things outside.

288973 ▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Ed Phillips, 58, #121 of 1952 🔗

I go shopping unmasked every day and apart from the odd jealous glance there is no hostility.
Exterior queues and observation of one way systems have disappeared.
The more of us out there the quicker this nonsense will end completely.

288989 ▶▶▶ Alci, replying to karenovirus, 88, #122 of 1952 🔗

Same. Mind you, I no longer make eye contact – can’t be bothered. My husband tells me I get glared at. I’m usually looking after my one & three year olds anyway. One thing I loved about moving north was the friendliness – no more. None of those impromptu chats in the supermarket.

I’ve been challenged twice: both times by a certain type of middle-aged man. Fortunately I’m hard to intimidate; smile benignly and ignore.

I see fewer and fewer people without masks, even outside. The more middle class the shop, the more masks: my local Aldi better than the market town.

Please go out without masks.

288997 ▶▶▶▶ Sylvia Priest, replying to Alci, 41, #123 of 1952 🔗

Yes, never wear a mask. Usually try to encourage removal when people in fresh air. Half the time they keep them on as they are on way to another shop. There is no fun in shopping anymore as mentioned but we have to keep trying so that normality can return and to try to help local shops. Small things like removing huge signs saying wear a masked might help.

289454 ▶▶▶▶▶ Suze Burtenshaw, replying to Sylvia Priest, 10, #124 of 1952 🔗

I received an email from a garden centre I have a loyalty card with. Hurray! Our cafe is now open again, they trilled, then followed that with a list of rules to be adhered to, one of which was that masks must be worn except when seated at the table. I emailed them and said they had no mention of mask exemptions, and did that mean I wouldn’t be welcome? No, I was very welcome, it seems. So why don’t they state that? My husband thinks it’s because it’s easier to say masks rather than get into discussions about who is exempt, etc.. He could have a point. He’s usually pretty sensible about stuff. I am amazed by the number of people who are in ignorance of the mask exemption rules ie you do not necessarily need to be medically exempt, just freaked out by them.

289717 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Lili, replying to Suze Burtenshaw, 7, #125 of 1952 🔗

All they have to say is ‘masks must be worn unless you are exempt’ and then provide the link to the government web page. So many businesses are going to go under because of their own stupidity.

289800 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ TJN, replying to Lili, 3, #126 of 1952 🔗

Yes, it’s amazing the lack of nous from some businesses. The big stores sussed it pretty quick though.

289969 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ David Grimbleby, replying to Suze Burtenshaw, 3, #127 of 1952 🔗

Exemptions should be posted in all retail, surely more business for them.

290536 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Proudtobeapeasant, replying to Suze Burtenshaw, 2, #128 of 1952 🔗

Yes agree. I don’t think many people have bothered to read the government guidelines, which provide anyone with an excuse not to wear one if they don’t want to.

290828 ▶▶▶▶▶ Llamasaurus Rex, replying to Sylvia Priest, 2, #129 of 1952 🔗

We should not wear masks. We should not wear lanyards (nor yellow stars, pink triangles or any other emblem with which nazis would want to stigmatise us). We should not say “stay safe”. We should not say Heil Hitler.

290842 ▶▶▶▶▶ sam, replying to Sylvia Priest, 1, #130 of 1952 🔗

i’ve been snarling going by those signs but now you gave me a better idea [ and arnie did too weeks ago ] i ‘m going to try my best to cut the plastic things holding up a sign i saw in a park , i hope no one will see me !

289144 ▶▶▶▶ Winston Smith, replying to Alci, 24, #131 of 1952 🔗

“I’ve been challenged twice: both times by a certain type of middle-aged man.”

Me too, it’s bizarre!

“Please go out without masks.” 👏🏻 👏🏻 👏🏻 👏🏻 👏🏻 👏🏻 👏🏻

289149 ▶▶▶▶▶ Mabel Cow, replying to Winston Smith, 30, #132 of 1952 🔗

Me too. My only challenge was on the first day of mandatory masks in shops when some self-righteous middle-aged man at the checkout said sarcastically, “You’ve forgotten your mask!”, to which I replied, “No I haven’t. I’m not wearing one as a political protest.” Poor fella almost had a stroke at the idea of somebody exercising their rights.

Since then, absolutely nothing. Not a single challenge, barely a glance in fact.

289155 ▶▶▶▶▶ music girl, replying to Winston Smith, 29, #133 of 1952 🔗

I’m on the bus now maskless ✊

289855 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Coronabonus, replying to music girl, 3, #134 of 1952 🔗

You go, Music Girl!

289538 ▶▶▶▶ Borisbullshit, replying to Alci, 14, #135 of 1952 🔗

I never wear one and have almost got to the stage where I look forward to any confrontation. I have been challenged twice….funnily enough both times by a middle aged gentleman in a very disapproving voice. Both times I just calmly asked him if he was an on duty police officer. They have to say no of course….then I just smile sweetly and say in that case I am sorry but I am not answerable to you and walk away leaving them fuming.

289627 ▶▶▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Borisbullshit, 4, #136 of 1952 🔗

Nice one. Wear your barefaced smile with pride!

289738 ▶▶▶▶ Ben, replying to Alci, 7, #137 of 1952 🔗

Virtue-signallers are the enemy of humanity. The good Nazis

289084 ▶▶▶ Lockdown_Lunacy, replying to karenovirus, 14, #138 of 1952 🔗

This is true in my experience too. It’s annoying seeing all the masked up faces but aside from one idiot on day one of the mask rules, nobody has ever really batted an eyelid at my lack of mask or observance of stupid systems.

289163 ▶▶▶ Jane G, replying to karenovirus, 9, #139 of 1952 🔗

Approve wholeheartedly but haven’t yet summoned the nerve to try going barefaced in shops. How do you handle the inevitable ‘selfish’ comment?
(Had a blissful visit to hairdressers the other day where most sat unmasked)

289226 ▶▶▶▶ TJN, replying to Jane G, 20, #140 of 1952 🔗

Just do it. No one cares, and even if anyone does say anything they’ve abrogated what it is to be a human being, and therefore don’t count.

Seriously, just do it. You’ll feel two feet taller – go on, try it, and you’ll see what I mean.

289393 ▶▶▶▶▶ Jane G, replying to TJN, 6, #141 of 1952 🔗

Ok – here goes; post office first!

289573 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ TJN, replying to Jane G, 3, #142 of 1952 🔗

I look forward to the report!

289762 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Jane G, replying to TJN, 18, #143 of 1952 🔗

There was a huge queue outside the P.O with plenty all pre-masked and ready; the doorway had about 3 notices requiring masks on before entry. I was feeling v nervous and churned up but I was listening to Hitchens on iromg thro’ my headphones which stiffened my resolve, and LS comrades on my phone in pocket. Gawd! I was scared – but I cheerfully asked for my stamps and to post some airmail cards and the assistant didn’t bat an eyelid, and was nice. Was looked at by the queue as I left and stood outside sticking on the stamps as my heart rate stabilised. Will try supermarket maskless in evening when they will be less likely to give a stuff.

289814 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ TJN, replying to Jane G, 4, #144 of 1952 🔗

See, it’s easy. No one bothers. Absolutely no need to feel nervous at all. You’re a human being, and the rest of them are I don’t-know-what, but that’s up to them, their choice.

289615 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Borisbullshit, replying to Jane G, 7, #145 of 1952 🔗

Good luck…honestly jane its no big deal and boy it feels better and you can look in pity at the others who wear them!

289320 ▶▶▶▶ Andrew K, replying to Jane G, 10, #146 of 1952 🔗

Just tell them that 2 million years of human evolution is all you need to trust.

289779 ▶▶▶▶▶ Jay Berger, replying to Andrew K, 5, #147 of 1952 🔗

Just tell anyone who challenges you that you are (exempt and that, as such, you are) following the law and the science.

You can add an ‘I am not sure what you do’ or ‘contrary to you’, if you want to sow confusion or provoke a further confrontation….

289634 ▶▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Jane G, 3, #148 of 1952 🔗

I’ve never had a comment – that I’ve been aware of.

289928 ▶▶▶▶ fiery, replying to Jane G, 4, #149 of 1952 🔗

It really does start to feel a lot easier once you’ve been in a few shops unmasked. I do make eye contact with people as you look much more of a victim if you avert your gaze and go around with your head cowed. People will use the bully mentality and are more likely to pick on someone who looks unassertive.

290857 ▶▶▶▶▶ Arkansas, replying to fiery, #150 of 1952 🔗

I do make eye contact with people as you look much more of a victim if you avert your gaze and go around with your head cowed. People will use the bully mentality and are more likely to pick on someone who looks unassertive.

Right. You wanna “radiate”, as per Michael Chekhov’s acting technique .

Although intended for actors, the technique is very much applicable to everyday life rather than just to “acting” (as is Andre Bernard’s work which makes a good companion). Worth a look. It’s essentially about “directing” yourself using imagination rather than muscular manipulation, which sounds unconvincing as a concept but the exercises clarify things if you actually do them (chapter four in Lenard Petit’s book). It’s actually what you do anyway, but generally unwittingly and inefficiently.

In the case of “radiating”, you kinda “expand yourself” mentally out in all directions, expand your “presence”, and have that movement sort of be continuous. You may be surprised at how others respond. It’s intended for theatre performances, to “radiate out” your performance into the audience, opening up your attention and your movements out to them, but it has a similar effect in normal circumstances too.

Well, I say “normal” circumstances. I mean “[temporarily!] new normal” circumstances in this case, I suppose.

289391 ▶▶▶ Biker, replying to karenovirus, 17, #151 of 1952 🔗

same with me but it doesn’t mean anything. Just because you now feel comfortable mask-less while shopping that this is going away any time soon. They expected a number of people not too that’s why the exemptions are so easy. They did that for us because they know we will not wear the mask but we’ll still have to do what they want anyway. That way we remain calm and not a threat. I don’t think it’s going away for many many years. A world wide change is coming and it’s not gonna be nice.

289584 ▶▶▶▶ TJN, replying to Biker, 6, #152 of 1952 🔗

There’s much in what you say, and it’s often occurred to me. The exemptions are so easy muzzles are in effect voluntary. That leaves me quite complacent about the whole thing – I just go about my business maskless without bothering anyone. So I’m not a threat to them.

If we we in somewhere like France or Aus or one of those countries where they actually enforce it, it would give me a kick and ensure I was much more active and calculated and devious in subverting this garbage.

289619 ▶▶▶▶ Borisbullshit, replying to Biker, 4, #153 of 1952 🔗

Have to agree with you there Mr Biker. The medical tyrants think they have us by the short and curlies now and they aint going to want to let go any time soon.

289965 ▶▶▶▶▶ richard riewer, replying to Borisbullshit, 2, #154 of 1952 🔗

They have been building up their power base for many years and the majority of the population approved their every move.

289649 ▶▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Biker, 4, #155 of 1952 🔗

You’re right.

However, signalling your confidence in your immune system and showing you aren’t afraid to be non-compliant is at least a start in getting some people to look elsewhere for what might really be going on.
Naturally, I don’t refer to the lost causes!

I think reminding people of normalcy is crucial.

290075 ▶▶▶ EllGee, replying to karenovirus, 2, #156 of 1952 🔗

Haven’t worn a mask (except for once and that was for my husband’s cancer appointment) and as the weeks have gone by have discovered I miss shopping less and less. Go to the supermarket but this time of the year serious shopping would normally be happening. Done it all online. Shan’t go general shopping again until the mask signs have gone

290746 ▶▶▶▶ Edward, replying to EllGee, 1, #157 of 1952 🔗

I’ve never worn a face covering in the shops, but I’ve changed my shopping habits, not to the retailers’ benefit. I used to dip into the supermarket every other day, buying the essentials of bread, milk etc. as and when needed. Now I just do a couple of larger food shoppings per week, so fewer impulse buys (not that I’m much prone to that anyway). And very occasional shopping for clothes. Today I bought some Christmas presents at various shops in the indoor centre. Some half-hearted attempts at one-way systems at entry and exit to the larger shops. I’ve never been challenged for not having a mask – I do have the blue & yellow exemption card from the government website, printed on paper and attached by me to a plastic card from elsewhere. I maintain a friendly demeanour towards the maskies in shops, though sometimes I aim a dirty look at outside wearers.

288998 ▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to Ed Phillips, 52, #158 of 1952 🔗

Well said. Ditto those that have dystopian rules such as no touching or no trying on of clothes. How the heck are you supposed to know if it fits you or not? Hence why John Lewis lost out on a big sale from me – I needed a coat but couldn’t try any so in the end I went to eBay & bought a vintage one for less than my set budget. Even the alterations meant that I still spent far less than I intended to.

Most of my Christmas shopping is being done online and I’m sticking to a few tried and tested shops to keep myself sane. I’ve avoided my local M&S since that run in with that harridian and boycott those that have signs that say “No Mask, No Service.”

I don’t understand why retailers don’t fight back. Especially the big ones – they have the clout and legal muscle to be able to do so. Instead its left to the likes of small businesses doing the push back while the likes of John Lewis and M&S do nothing. They will eventually pay for their cowardice.

289000 ▶▶▶ chaos, replying to Bart Simpson, 29, #159 of 1952 🔗

I think the push back in bugger stores, supermarkets is by staff. Note how many are maskless. And the security or staff in big stores themselves do mostly respect mask exemptions and will not pry or push beyond ‘mask sir?’ or ‘mask madam?’ Those who do in my experience get a rollicking if you demand to see a store manager.

289015 ▶▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to chaos, 20, #160 of 1952 🔗

Agree. I’ve been seeing more and more staff now not wearing masks even before the second lockdown and during my last shopping trip it seems to have increased.

Social media shaming has also played a part. The likes of Asda having gotten into trouble for harassing a man with dementia along with the threat of boycott and litigation would have very likely too put the fear of God into head office and this has been communicated to managers and staff.

289698 ▶▶▶▶▶ AfterAll, replying to Bart Simpson, 4, #161 of 1952 🔗

Asda treats its staff appallingly, there was that case last year of the disabled cashier who was fired for posting a Billy Connolley video lampooning religion on his personal Facebook account. Boycott.

289974 ▶▶▶▶ David Grimbleby, replying to chaos, 2, #162 of 1952 🔗

Bugger stores! sound intriguing.. I think…

289016 ▶▶▶ kh1485, replying to Bart Simpson, 45, #163 of 1952 🔗

I’ve been hugely disappointed with the big retailers and big players in hospitality. Like you say, they have the clout to try and overturn this nonsense but they don’t use it.

It’s quite clear to us that customers want normality. As soon as we were (tugs forelock here) ‘allowed’ to re-open properly, and despite the rubbish weather, we were very busy. And, quite frankly, if anyone feels unsafe in our shop, every other place in town has gone the full safety route, so they can go there (sounds unwelcoming but I do not want people as customers who feel the need to sanitise my chairs before they will deign to sit in one – yes, this happened on Saturday!).

289039 ▶▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to kh1485, 31, #164 of 1952 🔗

Exactly. Only the likes of Luke Johnson, Rocco Forte and that Weatherspoons bloke has spoken out. The fact that many stores are empty despite the Christmas rush demonstrates people voting with their feet against all these nonsense.

Even the major museums and venues as well have been conspicuous by their silence that’s why Brendan Cole’s comments were very much welcome. He seems to be the only one from the performing arts sector that’s not popular music that has broken ranks.

And your last sentence reminds me of that exchange I had with a visitor the other day:

Me: Would you like a free multi-media guide?

Visitor: Yes please. Is it clean?

Me (shrugs): Yeah, can’t see any dust. Can you?

289045 ▶▶▶▶▶ kh1485, replying to Bart Simpson, 16, #165 of 1952 🔗

I’d have loved to have seen the look on their face when you said that!

With our chair customer, I wouldn’t mind, but she’s a regular and we always pull out all the stops for her. Really annoyed me when she did that.

289053 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to kh1485, 9, #166 of 1952 🔗

He looked rather surprised. The fact that I had a cloth in my hand should have been a dead giveaway.

It would depress me if a regular customer did that because of the insinuation. I can see why you were annoyed.

289117 ▶▶▶▶▶ Bella Donna, replying to Bart Simpson, 6, #167 of 1952 🔗

It will be decided that we’re scared of the virus rather than refusal to obey the stupid rules.

289054 ▶▶▶▶ karenovirus, replying to kh1485, 7, #168 of 1952 🔗

I need some formal shirts and trousers this week. Any attitude from staff at Next I’ll be straight next door to TKMax, after that ? Well there’s always Primark.

289191 ▶▶▶▶ Spikedee1, replying to kh1485, 7, #169 of 1952 🔗

Yes in the gym I go to, everyone sprays down the equipment after use. And then you still get people wiping it down before they use it!! Christo how clean do you want it?

289288 ▶▶▶▶▶ Silke David, replying to Spikedee1, 10, #170 of 1952 🔗

At my local supermarket there is a person offering “clean” trolleys during busy times. I always decline and I want a “dirty” one, as I react allergic. I make a point of telling them!

289670 ▶▶▶▶ Ceriain, replying to kh1485, 1, #171 of 1952 🔗

She’s obviously heard lots of people (well, us) using the phrase “stick your virus up your arse”, except she only heard the “up your arse” bit, and thinks that’s how you catch it. 😉

289705 ▶▶▶▶▶ AfterAll, replying to Ceriain, #172 of 1952 🔗

There is no evidence that it cannot be caught that way.

289782 ▶▶▶▶ Jay Berger, replying to kh1485, 5, #173 of 1952 🔗

I have written back to one of those hotels that whined about being forced to close, stating that they only have to blame themselves and their trade body bosses, if and as they didn’t storm the barricades, but preferred to get bought abd corrupt instead.

289110 ▶▶▶ Bella Donna, replying to Bart Simpson, 9, #174 of 1952 🔗

I think the large stores wont fight back because its taking small businesses out of the market, which they are happy with.

289116 ▶▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to Bella Donna, 6, #175 of 1952 🔗

True but that’s not necessarily working in their favour. Look at all the major retailers that have gone bust or are in danger.

289623 ▶▶▶ Borisbullshit, replying to Bart Simpson, 2, #176 of 1952 🔗

Yes its a few brave small trader heroes. Maybe big business just thinks it will gain from less competition but even their big stores will be destroyed by the switch to online shopping. I feel very sorry for the workers at these stores but have total contempt for the top managers who have zealously enforced the rules.

289971 ▶▶▶ richard riewer, replying to Bart Simpson, 3, #177 of 1952 🔗

Boycott Amazaon!

289008 ▶▶ FlynnQuill, replying to Ed Phillips, 40, #178 of 1952 🔗

Here, here. I haven’t been in a shop for months. Not because I’m scared, it is because, if somebody said something to me about not wearing a mask they would be looking for thier head. So for the sake of joe public and i dont want a criminal record, i avoid shops.

289035 ▶▶▶ KBuchanan, replying to FlynnQuill, 32, #179 of 1952 🔗

Same here, I’ve never been a violent person but I do feel such disgust for pathetic masked up dupes. Particularly putting the stupid thing on as they get out of the car well before the shop entrance! I don’t get it how are so many quite so stupid and unquestioning?

289073 ▶▶▶▶ CarrieAH, replying to KBuchanan, 22, #180 of 1952 🔗

I haven’t been into a shop since forced muzzling became a thing. I had to wear one on a plane in the summer and felt so ill with a raging sore throat by the time I landed, that I vowed never again. I won’t shop in person until they are thrown in the dustbin of history. I feel sad for places which have to
impose this nonsense but I’m not taking part. It’s the only way to make sure this stops as soon as possible.

289199 ▶▶▶▶▶ Spikedee1, replying to CarrieAH, 11, #181 of 1952 🔗

Yes I had to wear one on a aeroplane, over your nose sir!! It was then I discovered I was a shallow mouth breather and I really struggled to get enough air in. Then they bought food around and I managed to make that last till we landed. I used to love shopping but now only go to outside based shops rather than mall’s. They seem more accepting of the I am exempt line.

289119 ▶▶▶▶ Bella Donna, replying to KBuchanan, 4, #182 of 1952 🔗

Theyre brain dead. 😷

289348 ▶▶▶ Two-Six, replying to FlynnQuill, 7, #183 of 1952 🔗

Same. I HAVE to stay away from maskers otherwise things are going to go badly for me and the maskers. Guaranteed.

289080 ▶▶ Andrea Salford, replying to Ed Phillips, 45, #184 of 1952 🔗

Every nappied face is a reminder of the power of evil of this despicable facist regime.

Our blood boils at the sight of it because we haven’t been brainwashed like the masked moron masses.

Every day the government lies to us and the Covidians lap it up. I didn’t know I could hate so many people so much. The well of anger inside me is beginning to manifest as a huge weight in my chest. Trying to keep it at bay 24/7 but it’s not easy.

289360 ▶▶▶ Two-Six, replying to Andrea Salford, 14, #185 of 1952 🔗

I was angry as fuck for most of the day yesterday. Kept at bay but as you say like a tight knot in my chest….I totally agree about how face nappies are such an outward signal of compliance with this vile fascist covidian agenda.
Bastards

289159 ▶▶ arfurmo, replying to Ed Phillips, 7, #186 of 1952 🔗

Latest crap from a SAGE member “January could see a “severe peak” of coronavirus infections if we “take our foot off the pedal”, a Sage scientist has warned, as he called crowded Christmas shopping scenes “concerning”.
The pandemic is “certainly not all over”, Professor Andrew Hayward, professor of infectious disease epidemiology at University College London (UCL) and a member of the Scientific Advisory Group for Emergencies (Sage), said.
Prof Hayward said he is “concerned” about scenes of crowded shopping streets and malls, adding: “We still have the winter to get through, which is likely to be the time that is most favourable for Covid transmission”.
“We could still see very severe peak, particularly in January, is when I predict that would be most likely if we take our foot off the pedal on this.
“And that would be so sad considering we’re going to be in a stage where we can protect the most vulnerable during December, January, February and start to get back to normal in late Spring, early summer,” he told BBC Radio 4’s Today programme.”

289162 ▶▶▶ Suze Burtenshaw, replying to arfurmo, 18, #187 of 1952 🔗

Pure unadulterated evil.

289187 ▶▶▶ disgruntled246, replying to arfurmo, 30, #188 of 1952 🔗

Did it never occur to these idiots that if they shut everything for a month up to December, then when it came to December and the literally non-movable feast of Christmas, everybody was going to be crammed into the shops together (which doesn’t bother me by the way but their logic is useless). Same as when during first lockdown they shut all the open spaces and tried to stop us going into parks, so that everybody was jostling together on the pavements when they dared to leave the house to stretch their legs. If they’d kept everything open, we’d actually have found it easier to keep away from each other.

289222 ▶▶▶▶ Spikedee1, replying to disgruntled246, 20, #189 of 1952 🔗

Here are the rules! You can go out and shop. Oh wait, not all of you!! What you have forgot its Christmas and people have been under house arrest for a month. Them poor bastards who have set up that Christmas market, to have it cancelled after one day because!!! People turned up. These sage arseholes and local councils have no idea how much work and cost is involved in doing this sort of thing and you can just end it because of photos taken to make it look like people are closer together than they are. Oooh people are not social distancing. Well stay at home you twat and let the rest of us get on with our lives.

290188 ▶▶▶▶▶ Borisbullshit, replying to Spikedee1, #190 of 1952 🔗

Nothing else matters to myopic medical scientists…the economy, freedom etc. Thats why they should never be handed carte blanch power.

289233 ▶▶▶▶ Judy Watson, replying to disgruntled246, 6, #191 of 1952 🔗

Thats because it comes under the heading of common sense which these dunderheads lack

289208 ▶▶▶ Spikedee1, replying to arfurmo, 9, #192 of 1952 🔗

What a prat. You have been warning of this since the beginning of September, 4000 deaths, remember. And still fuck all happens. Why don’t these journalists do their job and challenge this bullshit.

290230 ▶▶▶▶ richard riewer, replying to Spikedee1, 1, #193 of 1952 🔗

Wasn’t it 4000 deaths a day?

289293 ▶▶▶ Ben, replying to arfurmo, 9, #194 of 1952 🔗

They’re not scientists. They’re psycho, sadistic fascism enablers.

289168 ▶▶ Just Stop it Now, replying to Ed Phillips, 17, #195 of 1952 🔗

Ed, you simply won’t be harangued for not wearing a mask’ . Very,very unlikely in my experience. At the very most you might be politely asked at the door. Simply smile and breeze through, or tell them, politely, that you are exempt. Its the fact that shoppers rarely see anyone unmasked that is reinforcing the message.

 Get out there bare-faced and proud folks!

289812 ▶▶▶ PastImperfect, replying to Just Stop it Now, 3, #196 of 1952 🔗

You could simply say you have a rabbit’s foot in your pocket.

No member of the public has challenged me, only staff at the entrance and not recently. A chat with an ex-prison officer doorman at one supermarket revealed that he hated wearing one and seemed to know the problems associated with them. He said he also hated to see old people so scared as they approached the entrance.

290757 ▶▶▶ Edward, replying to Just Stop it Now, #197 of 1952 🔗

My experience also.

289204 ▶▶ arfurmo, replying to Ed Phillips, 4, #198 of 1952 🔗

On the question of challenges https://fullfact.org/online/equality-act-face-mask-discrimination/ says that it is myth that anyione challlenging can get fined .So it says that
“The government advice is not to challenge people to wear a face covering. This is for GOOD REASON. If you do so, you and your employees may be PERSONALLY LIABLE for AN OFFENCE liable on a summary conviction to pay a fine of up £5,000 – section 112 (Aiding contraventions) of the Equality Act 2010.
“AN ACT OF DISABILITY DISCRIMINATION and be ordered to pay any individual who suffers injury to feelings compensation between £900 and £9,000 – section 119 (Remedies) of the Equality Act 2010” is NOT correct.
So that green lights challenges but it then says “ Correction 3 November 2020
This story has been updated to clarify that members of the public should not challenge people for not wearing face coverings.” I can’t see that update reflected in what it says.
I’m sure that there has been a site called “facts not fiction” that laid out the position ( I may be misrembering the name) -can anyone recall it please?

289250 ▶▶▶ Cbird, replying to arfurmo, 3, #199 of 1952 🔗

Someone asked about this blog. Link attached
https://www.laworfiction.com/

289314 ▶▶▶▶ arfurmo, replying to Cbird, 1, #200 of 1952 🔗

That’s it . Thanks

290518 ▶▶▶ Bungle, replying to arfurmo, 1, #201 of 1952 🔗

If someone gets in your way verbally just say clearly “I have exempted myself” cos that’s what the gov.uk says you can do.You don’t need a card. If they ask twice, they are breaching the 1997 Harassment Act, a criminal offence.

289481 ▶▶ nootnoot, replying to Ed Phillips, 15, #202 of 1952 🔗

I’m taking steps to going maskless now. Have bought a thin scarf which i can use as a face covering should i need to rather than wrap something round my ears.
At the weekend i filled up with fuel and tried using the scarf. Unfortunately i need a bit of practice as it slid down when i walked in the shop. However i was greated by two cashiers both maskless and no one said a thing. On my way out a lady came in also maskless. It felt amazing!
I’m confident i can go maskless there but the next step is supermarkets. I’m going to try it in a coop perhaps this week so i shall report how that goes.

289732 ▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to nootnoot, 4, #203 of 1952 🔗

Well done for having a go!
It gets easier every time.
Hold your head high and be confident. You’ll be fine.
Wear your smile with pride.

289910 ▶▶▶ Staincliffe, replying to nootnoot, 5, #204 of 1952 🔗

Supermarkets are not a problem, honestly. The staff know not to challenge anyone. I go several times a week to a large Sainsbury’s. At the start of mask mandate I was asked a few times if I needed a mask in case I’d forgotten mine. A smile and a shake of the head was enough to stop it there. Only on one occasion were they a bit more insistent (but not at all in an aggressive way) and I just told them quietly that I had ‘a condition’. Not had a word since in dozens of visits. When I encounter other shoppers that I know, they look a bit surprised as I don’t think they had ever thought of me previously as a subversive rebel.

289960 ▶▶▶ David Grimbleby, replying to nootnoot, #205 of 1952 🔗

A buff is useful, as a half hearted gesture..

290527 ▶▶▶ Bungle, replying to nootnoot, #206 of 1952 🔗

Just exempt yourself

289502 ▶▶ Borisbullshit, replying to Ed Phillips, 8, #207 of 1952 🔗

Yes same with me…not remotely concerned about the virus. Just find the whole shopping experience utterly depressing with all the masks and nonsense. When I do go out I head for the woods or the countryside…at least you tend not to see any out there other than the odd loony masked cyclist.

289547 ▶▶▶ Ed Phillips, replying to Borisbullshit, 3, #208 of 1952 🔗

Yep, there is a sane zone at the coast. From the sea to the front things are pretty much normal. That’s been our outing of choice.

289741 ▶▶ Rowan, replying to Ed Phillips, 7, #209 of 1952 🔗

All you have to do to beat the virus is stop testing for it. Hey presto its gone and seasonal flu makes a not so grand re-entrance. They’ve been taking the piss for nearly a year now, but next it gets serious, as they are coming for our lives with their crooked vaccines.

289804 ▶▶ sam, replying to Ed Phillips, 4, #210 of 1952 🔗

me too.im not scared of the virus it ‘s the rules- the masks, being treated like docile sheep , sorry sheep are smarter than people , haven’t been to the dentist either , never go to the dr anyway!

289932 ▶▶ Steve, replying to Ed Phillips, 8, #211 of 1952 🔗

Me too – I hate them, and refuse to wear one. I’ve given up shopping in person entirely as I just can’t stand masks and all the stupid pointless restrictions.

I hate that I can’t take my wife out for a meal, as even if we weren’t in teir 3, I’d be unable to go anywhere that enforces mask wearing.

Remember, masks were brought in as a political gesture to try to get people back to shops and back to work. They have no effect on stopping covid transmission, and were no thought necessary during the first lockdown. If masks work then why social distance and vice-versa?

They’ve become almost a religious symbol now, a sign of government compliance.

290740 ▶▶ Marina Peerman, replying to Ed Phillips, 1, #212 of 1952 🔗

I work in the community and I’d lose my job if I was caught without a mask. I loathe everything they represent. I loathe wearing them. Both of my manky masks bear the Swedish flag – thanks to one of the many LS suggestions a few of months ago. I don’t think anyone in any of the few shops I’ve frequented has looked twice but, for me, it makes it almost bearable!

290779 ▶▶ Ben, replying to Ed Phillips, 1, #213 of 1952 🔗

I suspect the Government’s motive is to put people off shopping in order to destroy the economy for the Great Reset, and to promote online shopping which gets rid of cash on the process

290896 ▶▶ helen, replying to Ed Phillips, #214 of 1952 🔗

Yes Ed, all communal places are grausam..cruel to experience and to behold and

deliberate policy to coerce into vaccination.

Most Important Covid Vaccine video Ever
https://brandnewtube.com/watch/most-important-covid-vaccine-video-ever_QHWDNtfv7MSEbVk.html

288960 Barney McGrew, replying to Barney McGrew, 14, #215 of 1952 🔗

If we ever do get beyond lockdowns and masks, I wonder how the economic damage will play out.

One slightly optimistic way of looking at it might be this: If you went to a restaurant and spent £50 on a meal, much of the money would go into the pockets of the staff. But with the Covid fiasco, we haven’t gone out to the restaurant for the meal, but a similar amount of money will be paid, ultimately by us, into the pockets of the staff anyway (furlough).

The day after the restaurant meal, you would have been £50 lighter and would have a memory of a meal in a restaurant. In Covid world, you are effectively £50 lighter (we all pay the furlough eventually) but only have a memory of a meal at home instead. For now the money accumulates in your bank account because there’s bugger all else to spend it on. But it will eventually be taken from you.

So not much difference. It seems to me that an economy in suspended animation isn’t quite as bad as it looks – as long as it can be revived. The danger will be that people will have got out of the habit of leaving the house; that masks will have made shopping so unpleasant they have permanently reduced their spending on real goods; that SPI-B has enjoyed itself too much.

288962 ▶▶ kh1485, replying to Barney McGrew, 52, #216 of 1952 🔗

As the owner of a business, I don’t see it like that! We have lost money we will never get back and which can never be earned back. Plus, there are plenty of businesses that won’t ever recover and have probably already closed – for good.

And it’s not just about money either. Working for most, gives a sense of purpose. Sure, there are those who would just like to sit on their arses with the tax payer footing the bill (and, unless the Government just write off the huge debt it’s just created, the tax bill is going to be bloody nasty). This is a point I keep making to those who do the faux-sympathy thing with me “oh, it must be sooo difficult for small businesses” And I think “just wait till they come after your savings and pensions, you won’t be untouched by this, it’s just that we’re a bit ahead of you”.

288963 ▶▶▶ Barney McGrew, replying to kh1485, 16, #217 of 1952 🔗

Well I am now self-employed having been made redundant in the summer. I know we’re all going to have to pay for this.

288968 ▶▶▶▶ Cristi.Neagu, replying to Barney McGrew, 9, #218 of 1952 🔗

Same here.

289299 ▶▶▶ dhpaul, replying to kh1485, 5, #219 of 1952 🔗

Its small comfort I know, but we can help by supporting businesses like yours, and we know from this site that you are in a small N Essex town not a million miles from Cambridge area where I lived until I retired a few years ago. I don’t get back that way often, even less now of course, but will make a point of calling in when I can. We should all do the same.

289687 ▶▶▶▶ kh1485, replying to dhpaul, 2, #220 of 1952 🔗

That’s really kind, thank you.

289338 ▶▶▶ The Filthy Engineer, replying to kh1485, 8, #221 of 1952 🔗

As the owner of a business, I don’t see it like that! We have lost money we will never get back and which can never be earned back. “

“And I think “just wait till they come after your savings and pensions, you won’t be untouched by this.”

Ditto for me as a self-employed contractor.

289916 ▶▶▶▶ Staincliffe, replying to The Filthy Engineer, 1, #222 of 1952 🔗

Yes, insisting that a proportion of your savings/pension has to be invested in COVID government bonds paying zero (or negative) interest rates and with no guaranteed redemption date.

288975 ▶▶ Cristi.Neagu, replying to Barney McGrew, 28, #223 of 1952 🔗

Not true.

  1. Furlough will not pay your full salary, which means everyone gets a pay cut. So the staff loses. What’s worse, some of those people might have been struggling to make it to next month on their full paycheck. What happens to them now?
  2. Governments are incredibly inefficient. Those £50 will pass through a lot of hands before they make it to furloughed employees, and each hand needs to be paid. I’m only guessing here, but it wouldn’t surprise me if out of those £50 only £20 make it to where you were hoping they would.

Make no mistake. The only people winning here in the long run are the government and the banks. Even the people who were having a laugh for half a year on furlough will be crying by the end of this.

288986 ▶▶▶ Cristi.Neagu, replying to Cristi.Neagu, 23, #224 of 1952 🔗

I always find it kinda weird how people are so shocked when they heard how much a country borrowed and how deep in debt it is, but they never ask: “Indebted to whom?” Answer that question and all will be made clear.

288992 ▶▶▶▶ Barney McGrew, replying to Cristi.Neagu, 4, #225 of 1952 🔗

Sounds as though you are advocating some sort of ‘reset’ then! 🙂

289001 ▶▶▶ kh1485, replying to Cristi.Neagu, 12, #226 of 1952 🔗

Exactly. And with regard to your last sentence, the sad thing is they don’t even realise it yet. The penny is taking a long, long time to drop.

289081 ▶▶▶▶ Bella Donna, replying to kh1485, 15, #227 of 1952 🔗

Its taking a while for the penny to drop because education has been dumbed down and social media has done the rest, resulting in people unable to think for themselves.

289405 ▶▶▶▶ Two-Six, replying to kh1485, 4, #228 of 1952 🔗

Somebody has stuffed chewing gum in the coin slot.

289182 ▶▶▶ arfurmo, replying to Cristi.Neagu, 7, #229 of 1952 🔗

Let’s just suppose that someone was taking home £2000 but are furloughed and are now taking home £1600. At first glance £400 down, But no commuting costs, no caffe nero on the way in, no lunchtime pret , no pint after work etc. So unless you usually walked/cycled to work and took your own food, you might not be dwon. BUT no employment for caffe nero, pret and pub staff , no car park, fuel, train /bus companies. Everyone loses.

289269 ▶▶▶▶ p02099003, replying to arfurmo, 2, #230 of 1952 🔗

income tax? National insurance? Pension?

289292 ▶▶▶▶ kh1485, replying to arfurmo, 4, #231 of 1952 🔗

And … when furlough ends, no job for them either, especially if the job they are doing at home can be done far cheaper abroad. They are living in a fools’ paradise.

289977 ▶▶▶▶ richard riewer, replying to arfurmo, #232 of 1952 🔗

That’s normal interdependence, not the Communitarian ideal of interdependence.

288984 ▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Barney McGrew, 20, #233 of 1952 🔗

The 1-2 million people who have been made redundant because of lockdown will largely be younger people who spent much of their spare income in the hospitality trade which has itself been wrecked.
A self sustaining cycle of gloom.

Nice one bozo.

288990 ▶▶▶ Cristi.Neagu, replying to karenovirus, 9, #234 of 1952 🔗

Before this whole thing started, young people were upset that unlike their parents, they cannot afford to buy a house straight away, and can only pay mortgage. Now they might struggle even with paying the mortgage.

289005 ▶▶▶▶ Fingerache Philip., replying to Cristi.Neagu, 13, #235 of 1952 🔗

BLIMEY, how many people could have ever bought their house outright?
Our first house that we bought on a mortgage in 1972 was £5,585.00.
I was on £40.00. a week and back then, the woman’s wages were not taken into consideration.

289028 ▶▶▶▶▶ Eliza P., replying to Fingerache Philip., 16, #236 of 1952 🔗

I managed worse than that – because I never met a man that was right for me to marry and so I had to buy a house on my own salary only. I got caught right at the black spot of still being paid “womans” wages and married couples had just had it agreed that the womans wages were to be taken into consideration. Starter houses shot up in price – as I was competing with couples – and single me was left without a house for years waiting for a stroke of Good Luck to come along and rescue me from rented accommodation. Not one single married couple commiserated with me.

289086 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Bella Donna, replying to Eliza P., 6, #237 of 1952 🔗

I would have commiserated with you!

289051 ▶▶▶▶▶ chaos, replying to Fingerache Philip., 13, #238 of 1952 🔗

Now an average wage barely pays rent. And houses once built for humble railway or factory workers are now bought by young doctors.

289076 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Fingerache Philip., replying to chaos, 6, #239 of 1952 🔗

Absolutely, the country village where I grew up (Claverley in Shropshire) has an ex council house estate where on a regular basis, houses sell for £250,000 plus.
That’s why myself and virtually every one of my contemporaries have had to leave.

290886 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Borisbullshit, replying to Fingerache Philip., #240 of 1952 🔗

Was that where Mary Whitehouse lived?

289072 ▶▶▶▶▶ RichardJames, replying to Fingerache Philip., 21, #241 of 1952 🔗

They are angling for a removal of home ownership and a complete rental-only market, the same way that homes are rented in Germany, by big corporations. Except that in Germany, you save through a lifetime and then buy a house mortgage-free when you retire. That will be stopped. The elites make far more money from a rental or lease system; there’s a good reason why the Duke of Westminster is one of the wealthiest people in the UK. Computer software is going the safe way, you rent MS Office now, not buy it.

It’s micro-flats (already designed, Google them) for all except the elite. Everyone is to be concentrated into MegaCities and you won’t have a car, just a bike. If you need to travel any distance, it will be like a Hunger Games train system (WHY DO YOU THINK THEY ARE PUSHING SO ABSURDLY FOR HS2?).

The majority of the planet will be depopulated and returned to wildlife for the elites to experience (useful idiots like Packham come in handy here). It’s already planned. They just need to remove the useless eaters (Google “useless eaters Henry Kissinger”)

It’s not as if they are hiding the facts from us.

289083 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Bella Donna, replying to RichardJames, 9, #242 of 1952 🔗

I see what youre getting at but its a world I want no part of.

289165 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Fingerache Philip., replying to Bella Donna, 7, #243 of 1952 🔗

Oh yes, HS2!!!
Destroy great swathes of countryside and ruin countless lives to build a totally unnecessary railway, so the “elite” ( hang on, I thought that they were all WFH) can get to London 20 minutes sooner.

289790 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Fingerache Philip., #244 of 1952 🔗

Another anomaly!

290101 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to Bella Donna, #245 of 1952 🔗

Someone has to smash it up, Bella …

289459 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Jonathan Palmer, replying to RichardJames, 3, #246 of 1952 🔗

All spelt out in UN agenda 21/30.
Government policies are being made to fit this.Cycle lanes,ban of petrol and diesel cars.Gas boilers in homesFarmers paid to take care of land not grow food.Its all out in the open.

289010 ▶▶▶▶ Barney McGrew, replying to Cristi.Neagu, 7, #247 of 1952 🔗

A slightly serious point: one of the justifications for the ‘reset’ is what you are describing. An economy that has become dangerously unstable and unbalanced. I am sure that in some people’s minds, the logical way to deal with it is ‘controlled demolition’ – and on the back of it to introduce socialism so it can’t happen again (they would argue).

289024 ▶▶▶▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Barney McGrew, 6, #248 of 1952 🔗

The Great Reset might include destruction of the 60 year ponzi scheme that constitutes the housing market.
Interesting times ahead.

290105 ▶▶▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to Barney McGrew, #249 of 1952 🔗

Quite likely true. But they didn’t inform us, consult with us, or obtain prior agreement.

289982 ▶▶▶▶ richard riewer, replying to Cristi.Neagu, 1, #250 of 1952 🔗

They won’t have a mortgage, they’ll be living in State owned ticky tacks.

289002 ▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to karenovirus, 23, #251 of 1952 🔗

And those millenials who still have a job, if they think that if they’re made redundant and that mummy & daddy can ride to their rescue, they need to think again as :

  1. mummy & daddy could be made redundant too. Or bankrupt if they have a business and it goes bust
  2. their pensions and savings either subject to tax raids and/or lose their value

So to those especially who still think we should lockdown and follow the silly rules, think again as you’re a massive part of the problem we’re having now.

288993 ▶▶ Andrew Fish, replying to Barney McGrew, 40, #252 of 1952 🔗

Neil Oliver made the point that it’s worse than that. After all, there’s the danger that this year has set a precedent. Who wants to set up a business thinking that in a year or two, the Government can simply close it down or make it impossible to run profitably? Wherever the money has gone – and a lot of people have diverted those restaurant and holiday savings into other areas like home improvements or debt reduction – the economy is not simply going to bounce back.

288996 ▶▶▶ Barney McGrew, replying to Andrew Fish, 13, #253 of 1952 🔗

Absolutely. If the government is serious about reviving the economy (I can dream), it needs to send out signals that this won’t happen again.

289027 ▶▶▶▶ 6097 Smith W, replying to Barney McGrew, 9, #254 of 1952 🔗

SARS1 2002
Swine flu 2009
MERS 2012
SARS2 2020
it will happen every few years at least

289033 ▶▶▶▶▶ Eliza P., replying to 6097 Smith W, 15, #255 of 1952 🔗

That is worrying. One of the things that convinces me the Lockdown is a load of old nonsense is that 6 of these virus things have come along in my lifetime and we didnt get a darn Lockdown imposed on us for any of them – so why did we on this one? It doesnt make sense. It is worrying that “Lockdown for Virus No. 7 of recent times” might set a precedent though for Virus No. 8 getting the Lockdown treatment – rather than the “Ignore it – it’ll go away” treatment we had for viruses no. 1-6.

289106 ▶▶▶ Bella Donna, replying to Andrew Fish, 10, #256 of 1952 🔗

That is an extremely important point who would want to start up a business knowing someone like Bozo’s government could come along and literally close you down? I think we will be getting a taste of what the Depression was like, but until the political class starts to suffer the same as we are, nothing will stop this wanton destruction of our lives.

290530 ▶▶▶ ianric, replying to Andrew Fish, #257 of 1952 🔗

This is a good point about people not wanting to set up businesses for fear that their businesses could be closed down in the future. Under lockdowns vast sections of the economy were closed down including restaurants, so called non essential shops, hotels and gyms, hairdressers. People would be reluctant to start businesses up even if their business would be allowed to operate. For instance, I would not want to start a taxi business because if another lockdown was introduced I would loose trade from shoppers if shops had to close, pub and nightclub goers if pubs and nightclubs closed and from visitors if hotels had to close. This applies to small businesses and big businesses. For instance a hotel chain may not want to build more hotels if they could be closed.

If people won’t set up businesses, this could lead to a loss of potential. For instance, someone wants to set up a restaurant and decides against it. If the person had set up a restaurant the restaurant may have been succesful, created jobs and gave work to suppliers which will not happen.

289445 ▶▶ Jonathan Palmer, replying to Barney McGrew, 3, #258 of 1952 🔗

At least 3 million unemployed.£360 billion of debt for starters.We are in Great Depression territory.

290236 ▶▶ richard riewer, replying to Barney McGrew, #259 of 1952 🔗

The Quebec government has been taxing staff tips for approximately 30 years.

288961 Cecil B, replying to Cecil B, 24, #260 of 1952 🔗

After two weeks of the gunk being injected into people the mass testing will stop

Mass testing stops and as a result the killer flu disappears

In the new year victory will be declared

The injecting will stop soon after over ‘concerns ‘

The pig dictator will be crowned the new Churchill

288969 ▶▶ chaos, replying to Cecil B, 11, #261 of 1952 🔗

Thaty might be plan B – otherwise known as abort abort we’ve been rumbled by the party and the people! Plan A is digital ID and WEF/agenda 2030.

288977 ▶▶ annie, replying to Cecil B, #262 of 1952 🔗

The. ew. i rade. apo,eon, more like.

289058 ▶▶▶ annie, replying to annie, 2, #263 of 1952 🔗

PS. That one was sabotaged!
‘Comrade Napoleon’, more like.

289085 ▶▶▶▶ Alethea, replying to annie, #264 of 1952 🔗

was the saboteur knee-high and furry, with winsome eyes?

289243 ▶▶▶▶ Spikedee1, replying to annie, #265 of 1952 🔗

No Napoleon had a plan. More Baron Munchausen (that’s probably spelt wrong sorry) or Walter Mitty?

289095 ▶▶▶ cBa, replying to annie, 3, #266 of 1952 🔗

I spent several minutes trying to decipher that before scrolling down and seeing your update 😉

288983 ▶▶ Margaret, replying to Cecil B, 12, #267 of 1952 🔗

I do hope that you are right, Cecil B (apart from your last sentence) We’ve seen this happen so often over the last eight months from test and trace to mass testing to the vaccine. Each one has been the factor that is going to save us all. When it doesn’t, we move on quietly to the next big idea.

289022 ▶▶ Sodastream, replying to Cecil B, 2, #268 of 1952 🔗

I hope so !

288964 Londo Mollari, replying to Londo Mollari, 51, #269 of 1952 🔗

I think this is one of the most depressing editions of LS I have ever read. I think Mike Yeadon’s comment on the possibility of the nation having collapsed by the time of the end of the vaccine rollout is very much to the point. I also think that we need to give these opinion polls a bit of a wide berth (they were deliberately manipulated during the US election run up). There’s a lot of irrational fear around but there’s also a lot of scepticism. And as for continual mask wearing, where are your priorities going to lie if you have to choose between a useless cloth rag and and actual food to eat? Because that is what it may come down to if the economy continues its collapse and joblessness mounts.

288979 ▶▶ annie, replying to Londo Mollari, 23, #270 of 1952 🔗

Can it be true that 45% of Brits wet themselves at the idea of coming out of their burrows?
We all know that some do. But nearly half?

288980 ▶▶▶ Cristi.Neagu, replying to annie, 29, #271 of 1952 🔗

I doubt it. I think the polls are manipulated. Yes, there still are a lot of very scared and very mislead people out there, but not that many. I think the biggest portion of the population is just conforming because that’s what British people do.

289066 ▶▶▶▶ alw, replying to Cristi.Neagu, 21, #272 of 1952 🔗

Very few masks in London now and people speaking openly about their contempt for this farrago.

289130 ▶▶▶▶▶ Bella Donna, replying to alw, 3, #273 of 1952 🔗

Really? That is good news.

289342 ▶▶▶▶▶ arfurmo, replying to alw, 3, #274 of 1952 🔗

Do you mean in shops and public transport or outdoors (where not required anyway)

289437 ▶▶▶▶▶ Jonathan Palmer, replying to alw, #275 of 1952 🔗

I went to a restaurant yesterday in London.Mask wearing pretty much Ubiquitos.

288988 ▶▶▶ karenovirus, replying to annie, 8, #276 of 1952 🔗

Let them hide, more retail discounts for us as shops try to attract what little custom there is.

288999 ▶▶ Alci, replying to Londo Mollari, 53, #277 of 1952 🔗

Utterly depressing. The surveys ring true to me. People fall into three categories; in my little experience, majority are in categories a and b, thanks to government propaganda:

Category a: the genuinely fearful “better safe than sorry” (includes assorted aunts and uncles in their 70s, currently in hiding for the vaccine)
Category b: the fashion-followers and virtue-signallers. Too busy/lazy to research, happy to take government broadly at face value, so long as they get to watch Netflix, browse Instagram for trendy home decor ideas and work from home (includes all my middle class, well educated, well travelled friends, and parents’ friends)
Category c: lockdown sceptics (my immediate family, and a handful of tradesmen)

289019 ▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to Alci, 24, #278 of 1952 🔗

Agree with this broadly. The vast majority in my workplace belong to both A and B. One of my colleagues was trilling about the vaccine and how we’re all going to be inoculated with it. I simply let her prattle on because I’ve given up on trying to wake them with up with facts and logic. Better let them learn the hard way.

289020 ▶▶▶▶ stefarm, replying to Bart Simpson, 14, #279 of 1952 🔗

Indeed and what a rude awakening it will be.

289040 ▶▶▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to stefarm, 4, #280 of 1952 🔗

And it will be too late for them to do anything.

289061 ▶▶▶▶ Bella Donna, replying to Bart Simpson, 7, #281 of 1952 🔗

The pro Lockdowners and Sceptics are once again divided into opposite camps similar to Brexit.

289069 ▶▶▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to Bella Donna, 8, #282 of 1952 🔗

Yep and the vast majority of remainers I know are pro-lockdown.

289220 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Fingerache Philip., replying to Bart Simpson, 7, #283 of 1952 🔗

I ain’t.

289447 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Jamie, replying to Fingerache Philip., 4, #284 of 1952 🔗

Neither am I

289681 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ music girl, replying to Fingerache Philip., 5, #285 of 1952 🔗

Nor i. My remainer friends here in Brighton are 95% anti lockdown, but strangely my Portsmouth remainer friends are 95% pro lockdown. I think a lot of it is social media ‘peer pressure’ – they desperately want their lives back and see following rules as the only solution. I have mostly avoided my Portsmouth friends (which is a shame as it’s my first home town) but lucky for me have a really awesome bunch of like minded friends here in Brighton.

290704 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Cheshirecatslave, replying to Bart Simpson, #286 of 1952 🔗

I’m a remainer and fiercely anti lockdown.

289037 ▶▶▶ LS99, replying to Alci, 15, #287 of 1952 🔗

Yes, spot on. Category B “happy to take government broadly at face value” I would also add that it doesn’t really occur to them to go outside the mainstream press, if they’re reading a broadsheet newspaper then this is especially true as they consider themselves discerning and well informed.

There might be a further category – somewhere between B and C of closet sceptics, people who seem to be going along with it but when you talk to them about it are remarkably sceptical.

289067 ▶▶▶▶ Now More Than Ever, replying to LS99, 4, #288 of 1952 🔗

Yes, I’m finding quite a lot of B(C)s among my colleagues now.

289356 ▶▶▶▶ PastImperfect, replying to LS99, 9, #289 of 1952 🔗

Mark Twain
“If you do not read the newspapers you are uninformed. If you do read the newspapers you are misinformed”.

289129 ▶▶▶ Bella Donna, replying to Alci, 3, #290 of 1952 🔗

I think the majority are just too lazy to think for themselves and rely on the BBC.

289346 ▶▶▶▶ PastImperfect, replying to Bella Donna, 4, #291 of 1952 🔗

I shall include a list of alternative media (UKColumn, &c) suggestions for entertainment with my Christmas cards.

289304 ▶▶▶ judymilne, replying to Alci, 1, #292 of 1952 🔗

I agree. I’m adhere to category c, although by age I should be in category a 😷

289071 ▶▶ alw, replying to Londo Mollari, 6, #293 of 1952 🔗

From Mike Yeadon:

“But what do we know about how the immunity from a prior infection compares with the protection given by the new vaccines? And what if you have already had Covid — is it safe to be vaccinated? (Source: https://threader.app/thread/1335513040402444288 )

289300 ▶▶ Ben, replying to Londo Mollari, 1, #294 of 1952 🔗

Does Yeadon know about the World Economic Forum, the Great Reset etc?

289440 ▶▶▶ Jonathan Palmer, replying to Ben, 3, #295 of 1952 🔗

He steers clear of anything but science where he is in his area of expertise.He has alluded to a conspiracy as he knows Vallance is lying.

288967 Sylvia Priest, replying to Sylvia Priest, 16, #296 of 1952 🔗

ORB are constantly releasing so called polls which always seem to be dire. Who are they and what is their agenda? Where are the independent polls from Ipso Mori for instance? I hope to God that people don’t believe this rubbish. Masks are bad and always will be along with unproven vaccines.

288978 ▶▶ Londo Mollari, replying to Sylvia Priest, 16, #297 of 1952 🔗

Opinion polls were weaponised in the US in order to try to suppress support for Donald J Trump. We have to admit of the possibility that they are being weaponised here in order to over-emphasise support for the mask wearing idiocy and other elements of this attempted transformation of society.

288982 ▶▶▶ Cristi.Neagu, replying to Londo Mollari, 14, #298 of 1952 🔗

They have no problem faking easily verifiable data on national television. Why would they not fake hard to check polls? They’re taking advantage of the fact that most British people just follow the rules and avoid rocking the boat.

289036 ▶▶▶ 6097 Smith W, replying to Londo Mollari, 11, #299 of 1952 🔗

Join yougov and you will get one set of political questions if you give the wrong answers you only ever get brand awareness surveys. Try it out for yourself if you don’t believe me

289260 ▶▶▶▶ Cbird, replying to 6097 Smith W, 6, #300 of 1952 🔗

That’s true. Same thing happened to me

289817 ▶▶▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Cbird, 1, #301 of 1952 🔗

Me too!

290126 ▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to Londo Mollari, 2, #302 of 1952 🔗

They’ve been ‘weaponised’ here for decades.

289079 ▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to Sylvia Priest, 11, #303 of 1952 🔗

I’ve always been suspicious of them especially Ipsos MORI and definitely YouGov – the questions are always rigged to get the answer that they want.

289134 ▶▶▶ OKUK, replying to Bart Simpson, 8, #304 of 1952 🔗

You Gov is Blair-Remain central. I checked out some of their leading pesonnel once and soon found out where they were coming from via their twitter accounts.

There’s no doubt billionaires buy influence. The allegedly “respected” and “independent” Institute for Government (much loved by the BBC and Sky) was set up after the Brexit Referendum by fanatical Remainer Lord Sainsbury and is stuffed full of fanatical Remainers who pose as disinterested observers of the scene. Lord Malloch Brown, GS’s mate, just happened to head up the company that owned Smartmatics which supplied the software for the Dominion voting machines in the USA.

I am sure that we will find political billionaires or Chinese-Russian-Saudi-Qatari interests behind a lot of these polling companies and then there’s the question of who’s commissioning the polls. I’ve seem how tbis works in practice and there’s no doubt pollsters try and please those stumping up the money – because that’s how you get repeat business.

290130 ▶▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to OKUK, #305 of 1952 🔗

That Nadhim Zahawi was a co-founder of yougov.

289252 ▶▶ Spikedee1, replying to Sylvia Priest, 4, #306 of 1952 🔗

It’s also how you word the question. There was a YouTube vid on this. Things like do you think it’s safe to come out of lockdown or do you want to kill granny!!

289432 ▶▶▶ Jonathan Palmer, replying to Spikedee1, 2, #307 of 1952 🔗

Watch the yes minister episode about polls.Sir Humphrey Appleby sums up opinion polls succinctly.

288970 Barney McGrew, replying to Barney McGrew, 17, #308 of 1952 🔗

BBC headline:

Weekend shopping returns but numbers down on 2019
Well, duh! And the BBC will be first to criticise those shoppers, anyway.

289004 ▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to Barney McGrew, 10, #309 of 1952 🔗

The BBC wins hands down for their stupid headline. Who writes these things?

288976 chaos, replying to chaos, 18, #310 of 1952 🔗

Imagine you’re in your late 50’s and you score the biggest gig of your life. You’re made director of your multi billion dollar company. On the day it’s announced you make your 32 year old faux green posho extinction rebellion girlfiriend your deputy.

288981 ▶▶ annie, replying to chaos, 16, #311 of 1952 🔗

And your chief executive us a pebble-eyed thug who prates about freedom while loading chains on the employees and stabbing thrm with poisoned needles.

288985 Londo Mollari, replying to Londo Mollari, 20, #312 of 1952 🔗

Did anyone else besides me notice that Scouse lockdown enthusiast Joe Andersen got nabbed by the Plod for alleged bribery and witness intimidation? If he is found guilty he might well get locked up?

289283 ▶▶ mattghg, replying to Londo Mollari, 3, #313 of 1952 🔗

A link to the story was included in yesterday’s roundup.

290132 ▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to mattghg, #314 of 1952 🔗

Several times. Good news should be widely shared. 🙂

289997 ▶▶ richard riewer, replying to Londo Mollari, #315 of 1952 🔗

I hope that he enjoys his stay. Send him Get Well Soon greeting cards.

290134 ▶▶ JohnB, replying to Londo Mollari, #316 of 1952 🔗

If he is found guilty, he will virtually certainly get locked up. These is serious offences.

288994 diego22, replying to diego22, 1, #317 of 1952 🔗

Can the authors, whom the gods bless, do something about the width of the page transmitted. Quite often, including today, it about 50% wider than the screen available.

289007 ▶▶ chaos, replying to diego22, #318 of 1952 🔗

What browser and device are you using?

289468 ▶▶ RichardJames, replying to diego22, #319 of 1952 🔗

Look for the “view” setting on your browser. Go down to the “zoom” setting and adjust accordingly.

289012 Fingerache Philip., replying to Fingerache Philip., 13, #320 of 1952 🔗

The expression:”Testing, testing, testing ” has taken on a new meaning now,ain’t it?

289644 ▶▶ Jo Dominich -, replying to Fingerache Philip., 5, #321 of 1952 🔗

More like EXTER-MIN-ATE, EXTER-MIN-ATE!

289013 karenovirus, replying to karenovirus, 9, #322 of 1952 🔗

From the main text, our Christmas Market was cancelled a while back, like Nottingham this city was noticeably quiet for a Saturday coming up to Christmas but that was partly down to dark skies, strong winds and cold rain.

Up to about 10 years ago the city centre and approach roads on the weekends up to Xmas were at a constant standstill. This area never had an austerity fueled depression and with virtually no unemployment people had money to burn.
Over the next few years those streets became less over-busy but most put that down to increased internet shopping.

But for the last 2 to 3 years real life crowded Chistmas Shopping was becoming a thing again as people found they actually enjoyed it especially with ever more eateries being opened.

Lockdown has killed that stone dead.

289052 ▶▶ Bella Donna, replying to karenovirus, 15, #323 of 1952 🔗

We used to have a wonderful Christmas market every year here in Suffolk but they cancelled it back in March! No one can tell me this attack on our Christmas was not pre planned!

289176 ▶▶▶ LS99, replying to Bella Donna, 2, #324 of 1952 🔗

Surely not Matt Handcock’s constituency??

289186 ▶▶▶▶ Bella Donna, replying to LS99, 3, #325 of 1952 🔗

No Jo Churchill is my MP and her constituency is next to his, not that she is much better than Wankok.!

289197 ▶▶▶▶▶ Nsklent, replying to Bella Donna, 3, #326 of 1952 🔗

Aldous is ours in east Suffolk, but just supports the party line.

289221 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Bella Donna, replying to Nsklent, 2, #327 of 1952 🔗

Exactly the same as mine! If they disappeared tomorrow would we notice?

290137 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to Bella Donna, #328 of 1952 🔗

Hmmm, would their families and/or the police notice, that’s the point. 🙂

289642 ▶▶▶▶ Jo Dominich -, replying to LS99, 1, #329 of 1952 🔗

The same has happened here about the Christmas Market and all the locals say it was renowned as being one of the best. And this is Wancock’s constituency.

289023 RichardJames, replying to RichardJames, 95, #330 of 1952 🔗

Mrs & I went to an underground church yesterday. Handshakes, hugs, no muzzles, no anti-social distancing, and SINGING!

What a thing to experience, to be in a congregation of about a hundred, the way the churches must have been in Soviet Russia. We never thought it would happen here, in this country.

During the refreshments afterwards, I looked around at the extraordinary (!) sight and realised how low we have sunk; but to be in that congregation was to experience hope and defy the satanic absurdities of our times. I thought of you all as we sang our hearts out.

289026 ▶▶ Ed Phillips, replying to RichardJames, 14, #331 of 1952 🔗

Praise God.

289032 ▶▶▶ chaos, replying to Ed Phillips, 4, #332 of 1952 🔗

I tend more to rail at God like Lieutenant Dan in Forest Gump.

289030 ▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to RichardJames, 12, #333 of 1952 🔗

Great post. Little acts of defiance such as this gives one hope.

KBO

289034 ▶▶ Sylvia Priest, replying to RichardJames, 9, #334 of 1952 🔗

I wrote to all the churches locally and even bell ringing is not on their list and standard gov procedure replies. Wish I knew of underground church but glad there are some.

289049 ▶▶▶ chaos, replying to Sylvia Priest, 8, #335 of 1952 🔗

Hey spare a thought for us witches. Wing of wuhan bat no longer allowed. And smokey the cat might carry the rona.

289376 ▶▶▶▶ gina, replying to chaos, 2, #336 of 1952 🔗

But all acts of love and pleasure most definately are…

289647 ▶▶▶▶ Spikedee1, replying to chaos, 1, #337 of 1952 🔗

I see a very dark future……….

289050 ▶▶▶ Bella Donna, replying to Sylvia Priest, 6, #338 of 1952 🔗

Im not a regular churchgoer but I have enjoyed Christmas services with Carols and would have liked to attend a service, but not if masks and social distancing were enforced.

289550 ▶▶▶▶ RichardJames, replying to Bella Donna, 5, #339 of 1952 🔗

I will not enter a church which enforces masks or SD, and any church which forbids singing is satanic or craven or both.

289041 ▶▶ Bella Donna, replying to RichardJames, 18, #340 of 1952 🔗

That sounds wonderful. The above story about Christmas market and people complaining that others werent social distancing or wearing masks should be the first ones to be jabbed then perhaps the rest of us can live our lives without interference from the bedwetters.

289046 ▶▶▶ annie, replying to Bella Donna, 4, #341 of 1952 🔗

Um..you did say jabbed, not stabbed?

289132 ▶▶▶▶ Bella Donna, replying to annie, 1, #342 of 1952 🔗

😁

289143 ▶▶▶ Suze Burtenshaw, replying to Bella Donna, 6, #343 of 1952 🔗

I think the comment about only hanging around for five minutes, was made by a 24-year-old. Poor idiotic snowflake. My scorn knows no bounds.

289042 ▶▶ Janice21, replying to RichardJames, 1, #344 of 1952 🔗

Sounds great!

289044 ▶▶ annie, replying to RichardJames, 3, #345 of 1952 🔗

Glory be to God. How I wish I could have been there.

289070 ▶▶ Basileus, replying to RichardJames, 2, #346 of 1952 🔗

Excellent, me too. There is a very good talk here by Joe Boot of the Ezra Institute which deals with the proper bounds of government authority from a Christian world view perspective.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W14_7CUYSok&feature=emb_rel_end

289090 ▶▶ Schrodinger, replying to RichardJames, 3, #347 of 1952 🔗

Not going to win me any friends I reckon.

Congratulations on standing up for your beliefs but isn’t accepting the cult like truths of religion without any evidence to back it up exactly the same as accepting the cult of Covid?

289108 ▶▶▶ Lockdown_Lunacy, replying to Schrodinger, 23, #348 of 1952 🔗

Well I’d say there’s a key distinction.

Even if you don’t believe in God, the Christian religion at least has some useful principles by which you can live your life. The basic tenets of it have shaped our society over the years.

The Covid cult has nothing constructive to offer.

290268 ▶▶▶ guy153, replying to Schrodinger, 1, #349 of 1952 🔗

No. The traditional religions like Islam and Christianity have a lot more going for them. Art, philosophy, being nice to each other (well trying to be anyway), that sort of thing. Most people know better than to pretend to believe in them literally anyway. The Covid religion is infinitely more miserable and depressing. It is essentially nihilism and very well symbolised by the face mask.

289184 ▶▶ Stephanos, replying to RichardJames, 1, #350 of 1952 🔗

I rejoice to hear this. Are you doing a Nine Lessons and Carols? Our church is ticket only, which is insane.
If you do a Nine Lessons and Carols please use the Authorised Version; not totally accurate I know, but the language is magnificent.
I would be delighted to read the passage from Isaiah.

289490 ▶▶▶ RichardJames, replying to Stephanos, 1, #351 of 1952 🔗

\\yes, carol service later this month.

289267 ▶▶ Judy Watson, replying to RichardJames, 7, #352 of 1952 🔗

I find this absolutely deplorable. Not that you met up for your Sunday prayers but that you have to do it in secret!!!! Absolutely dreadful. This is like Chinas treatment of the Uighurs and the Fallun Gong(I think I have spelt that right).

Surely it is everyones right to practice their own religion in peace?

Please note I say this as a committed atheist.

289540 ▶▶▶ RichardJames, replying to Judy Watson, 1, #353 of 1952 🔗

As a Christian, I love you anyway, for the sake of your LS courage.

289285 ▶▶ Ed Phillips, replying to RichardJames, 3, #354 of 1952 🔗

Can I ask some follow up questions?

Was this a church that existed before and is now ignoring the nonsense? Or a brand new grouping?

Has there been division in the church if the former?

Do you meet in a church building or another location?

289525 ▶▶▶ RichardJames, replying to Ed Phillips, 5, #355 of 1952 🔗

Yes, same church said (in more Christian language) “nuts, we’ll open anyway”.

No division. Everyone was wanting it to happen, but just didn’t want to be on their un-nappied lonesome in a pew, or singing by themselves.

Same church, same minister, same building, pentecostal evangelicals (so not at the soft edge of the Christian community). Most of this rubbish is guidance, not law, so people would just get up and walk out in silence if some loathsome satanist official managed to enter. There is a crypt, so things could be done more securely if necessary, but remember that pre-recorded music is allowed, so you can’t tell from outside the building.

Once everybody is inside, the doors are locked and there is no right of entry without a warrant. Hee, hee.

289556 ▶▶▶▶ Ed Phillips, replying to RichardJames, 2, #356 of 1952 🔗

Sounds great. My church has some true covidians in it so everyone else has to adapt.

289287 ▶▶ mattghg, replying to RichardJames, 4, #357 of 1952 🔗

I’m glad for youl. I wish I knew of one in my area, but for obvious reasons it’s difficult to find out!

289497 ▶▶▶ RichardJames, replying to mattghg, 3, #358 of 1952 🔗

The Christian community is pretty close-knit; just ask around. Even the pro-maskers will know, and will tell you “We don’t go to that one because they don’t wear masks.” There are very few Quislings in the Church because of the WWII history of Corrie ten Boom and other Dutch resisters, and the persecution of the Early Church; it is burned deep in Christian consciousness.

289637 ▶▶ Jo Dominich -, replying to RichardJames, 1, #359 of 1952 🔗

Where do you find these underground churches?

290549 ▶▶▶ RichardJames, replying to Jo Dominich -, 1, #360 of 1952 🔗

Go in person to one of the Elim Pentecostal churches or ask at one of the smaller but more fundamentalist churches if they know of anywhere that still sings/doesn’t mask. If they know you or have a mutual friend in one of the churches nearby, then I am sure they will tell you.

It’s direct word of mouth between Christians who are known to each other or who are friends of mutual friends. Best wishes.

290144 ▶▶ JohnB, replying to RichardJames, 1, #361 of 1952 🔗

How does word of these proceedings get spread, please, Richard ?

290551 ▶▶▶ RichardJames, replying to JohnB, 1, #362 of 1952 🔗

[Reposted from above] Go in person to one of the Elim Pentecostal churches or ask at one of the smaller but more fundamentalist churches if they know of anywhere that still sings/doesn’t mask. If they know you or have a mutual friend in one of the churches nearby, then I am sure they will tell you.

It’s direct word of mouth between Christians who are known to each other or who are friends of mutual friends. Best wishes.

290883 ▶▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to RichardJames, #363 of 1952 🔗

Thanks Richard.

289031 steve_w, replying to steve_w, 16, #364 of 1952 🔗

The country isn’t bankrupt the government is

Maybe the government should go into administration, arrest the dodgy accountants, write off the debt.

I don’t see why I should have to pay for someone else’s mistakes

289838 ▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to steve_w, 1, #365 of 1952 🔗

You think they were mistakes?

289047 Ferd III, replying to Ferd III, 29, #366 of 1952 🔗

The anti-science of the Covid religion is breath-taking.
99.7% survival rate, 96% for the over 80s, yet we need to inject poison and aborted fetal cells into 80 yr olds with 3 existing conditions. Where is the test data for the ‘thousands’ of such use cases in Pfizer’s supposed tests proving mRNA is safe? Won’t injecting them with CV19 and mercury make them sick and won’t that cause injury? Never saw any test data from Pfizer on this use case. But as a good cult member, you blindly accept the authority of the CV priests.

The environment kills unstable virus molecules, so they shut down open air markets?
Masks do nothing except denote your submission and wreck your immune system, yet the idiots are now saying post the magic vaxx, you will still have to one wear one? Why? And what than is the point of the vaxx? etc etc. Endless list of CV non-science.

Maybe the sheeple need to wake up and stop this totalitarian fluism from becoming permanent.

289055 ▶▶ Charlie Blue, replying to Ferd III, 1, #367 of 1952 🔗

Hi Ferd. Where did you get the info you mention about mercury being in the injection? And foetal cells?

289077 ▶▶▶ RichardJames, replying to Charlie Blue, 4, #368 of 1952 🔗

Most vaccines come in two types of bottle. The mass injection ones have Thiomersal as a “preservative”. This contains mercury. I con’t know if the latest vaccines have it, but it will be on the data sheet (which you should demand to see).

All vaccines of the traditional type use foetal cells derived from an abortion.

289113 ▶▶▶▶ Charlie Blue, replying to RichardJames, 4, #369 of 1952 🔗

Traditional vaccines (and many other treatments like cancer therapies and anti-virals) are developed using human cells in the testing process that were derived from foetal tissue originally. That is not the same as the vaccines themselves containing foetal cells.

The Pfizer vaccine does not list thiomersal as far as I can see. That’s why I am asking where Ferd’s info comes from. I am not dismissing the assertions made but I find it helpful to know what they are based on.

There are plenty of questions to ask and concerns about vaccines but I think we need to be rigorous about information sources so we cannot be accused of knee jerk reactions based on rumour or supposition.

290152 ▶▶▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to Charlie Blue, #370 of 1952 🔗

using human cells in the testing process that were derived from foetal tissue originally. That is not the same as the vaccines themselves containing foetal cells.

It’s the same for some people, but not for others, maybe, Charlie ?

289141 ▶▶▶▶ OKUK, replying to RichardJames, 1, #371 of 1952 🔗

Many now use aluminium. I think mercury has been phased out (I wonder why, if it was so “safe”)? But I am not sure if the new mRNA vaccines use toxic adjuvants. Does anyone know?

289367 ▶▶▶▶▶ Victoria, replying to OKUK, #372 of 1952 🔗

BioNTech/Pfizer vaccine composition, including the nanoparticle composition, has been released by the MHRA but it does not include concentrations of ingredients making it impossible to assess toxicology.

https://www.anhinternational.org/news/have-you-decided-what-youll-do-or-say-if-offered-a-covid-vaccine/

290155 ▶▶▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to OKUK, #373 of 1952 🔗

UK phased out thiomersal sometime in the last few years. USA still use it.

290366 ▶▶▶▶▶ guy153, replying to OKUK, #374 of 1952 🔗

I just looked it up and apparently they don’t use adjuvants. But you do need them for the protein vaccines like novavax or you don’t get any T-cell response.

289229 ▶▶▶▶ LondonStatto, replying to RichardJames, 1, #375 of 1952 🔗

Thiomersal “contains Mercury” in the same way that water “contains hydrogen”.

289467 ▶▶▶▶▶ janis pennance, replying to LondonStatto, #376 of 1952 🔗

Remember when the stopped pregnant women eating Tuna because the mercury content exceeded safety regs. ? Wasnt the mercury higher in the Flu vaccine ?

289057 ▶▶ steve_w, replying to Ferd III, 14, #377 of 1952 🔗

I am 100% against mass vaccination unless after decades of testing and planning (ie smallpox)

But if I was 80+ I might consider any of these – what have I got to lose?

And we get the data on efficacy and side effects. Its basically stage 3 testing. Of course shouldn’t be mandatory but very little should be.

Then they move onto 70+ year olds – but this is going to take months

Of course shouldn’t be for anyone under 50 (unless they are desperate). And not to women who might in the future want children etc.

By the time they get through the first batch, people will be bored, side effects start showing, virus naturally drops to endemic levels and we’ll all move on

289097 ▶▶▶ TC, replying to steve_w, #378 of 1952 🔗

Just been on another forum and I would guess about 50% are wait and see types,30% take it now types and the rest no takers like me.
Can’t see the point where there is no guarantee of long term immunity or lack of transmission.
That other forum is for sports (albeit with a lot of geriatrics like me there) and no political discussion will be allowed.

289059 ▶▶ Janice21, replying to Ferd III, 6, #379 of 1952 🔗

A sad state of affairs. Even people who I considered to be highly intelligent are not thinking outside the box and questionning everything.

290244 ▶▶ richard riewer, replying to Ferd III, 1, #380 of 1952 🔗

Arm the elderly. They need to defend themselves.

289056 PastImperfect, replying to PastImperfect, 21, #381 of 1952 🔗

“Do you have a mask?”

“No, I carry a rabbit’s foot”

289063 ▶▶ chaos, replying to PastImperfect, 5, #382 of 1952 🔗

“Do you wear a mask?”
“Only when I am out raping!”

289074 ▶▶▶ chaos, replying to chaos, 9, #383 of 1952 🔗

“Do you wear a mask?”
“Only when robbing stagecoaches!”

289091 ▶▶▶▶ Alethea, replying to chaos, 16, #384 of 1952 🔗

‘Do you wear a mask?’
‘Only when engaging in consensual hardcore S&M roleplay’

289135 ▶▶▶▶▶ Bella Donna, replying to Alethea, #385 of 1952 🔗

😂 😂

289745 ▶▶▶▶▶ Ceriain, replying to Alethea, #386 of 1952 🔗

We need to meet. 😉

290154 ▶▶▶▶▶ charleyfarley, replying to Alethea, 1, #387 of 1952 🔗

“Why don’t you wear a mask?”

“Because I’m not a f***ing moron!”

289170 ▶▶ mjr, replying to PastImperfect, 6, #388 of 1952 🔗

only when fighting outlaws .. “Hi-Yo, Silver! Away!”

289840 ▶▶ PastImperfect, replying to PastImperfect, 3, #389 of 1952 🔗

“Do you have a mask”?

“No, I carry a rabbit’s foot”

“Why”?

It’s safer.

289062 Bart Simpson, replying to Bart Simpson, 19, #390 of 1952 🔗

Today’s update is rather depressing and shows how many people are so far gone that they want to carry on muzzling ad infinitum and aren’t even bothering to question the semantics of the vaccine.

The bit about the travelling is rather worrying. My family live overseas in SE Asia and I’ve not been back there since I left 16 years ago. We were planning to visit 2 years down the line but given our finances after buying out flat last year and doing some works with it, it was questionable. But now with all these insane measures, its becoming less likely that we’re going. Especially as their Covid regulations are insane – muzzles and visors everywhere with no exemptions among others. Plus my family I suspect are Branch Covidians as well so it will be likely be more like a visit to Dante’s Inferno than a family reunion.

Regardless this could mean that I will be like those immigrants in the late 19th to early 20th centuries – it will be a goodbye forever save for letters and photos. In my case the odd WhatsApp messages & photo sharing on Arsebook.

289311 ▶▶ Ben, replying to Bart Simpson, 8, #391 of 1952 🔗

They are the selfish ones if they feel entitled to impose their fear on the rest of society – As someone else said in a comments section to lockdown zealot: ‘My rights don’t end where your fear begins’

289065 PatrickF, replying to PatrickF, 49, #392 of 1952 🔗

I’m 60. There’s no f ing way I’m taking a Covid vaccine before any health professionals, or MPs!
You first. I’ll wait for five years and see how you’re doing.

289089 ▶▶ karenovirus, replying to PatrickF, 23, #393 of 1952 🔗

I’m 63, see you on the train transport to the vax refuseniks camp.

289160 ▶▶▶ bluemoon, replying to karenovirus, 13, #394 of 1952 🔗

I’m over 70 – I’ll be at the gate to welcome you.

289750 ▶▶▶▶ Ceriain, replying to bluemoon, 3, #395 of 1952 🔗

I’ll be at the gate to welcome you

I’d prefer if you “ met ” me. It’s those who will be doing the ‘ welcoming ‘ that would worry me.

289256 ▶▶▶ PatrickF, replying to karenovirus, 5, #396 of 1952 🔗

I’ll be the one reading 1984.

289747 ▶▶▶▶ Ceriain, replying to PatrickF, 2, #397 of 1952 🔗

reading 1984

Smuggled copy, I presume. Books will be burned.

290159 ▶▶▶▶ charleyfarley, replying to PatrickF, 2, #398 of 1952 🔗

I’ll bring “The Gulag Archipelago”.

290003 ▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to karenovirus, 1, #399 of 1952 🔗

See you there!

289345 ▶▶ Victoria, replying to PatrickF, 7, #400 of 1952 🔗

There’s no f ing way I’m taking a Covid vaccine before any health professionals, or MPs!

…. or ever

289068 chaos, 26, #401 of 1952 🔗

A reminder again.. thousands of unique vicitors read LS and its coimments every day. Thumb up some comments today. Even if it isn’t a Doozie Deusenberg. Solidarnosc.

289078 richmond, replying to richmond, 2, #402 of 1952 🔗

Maybe it’s just me, but I think i f you can afford to fly to Doha, then you’ve not been too badly affected. ONS have estimated 200,000 deaths, and Bristol University over 500,000, from all of this. And that’s just deaths. It doesn’t measure sheer human misery. So if you’ve just had your holiday spoiled then I think you should maybe keep that to yourself.

289082 ▶▶ Janice21, replying to richmond, 8, #403 of 1952 🔗

I thought so too. What about a postcard where there is a family with one parent made redundant and the other furloughed, struggling to make ends meet for their kids, never mind having a holiday ruined.

289087 ▶▶ karenovirus, replying to richmond, #404 of 1952 🔗

Those figures are for non-covid excess deaths.
ie caused by reckless lockdown policies.

289111 ▶▶▶ richmond, replying to karenovirus, 2, #405 of 1952 🔗

I know they’re non-covid excess deaths. That’s what I was referring to.

289124 ▶▶▶▶ Fiona Walker, replying to richmond, 1, #406 of 1952 🔗

…which is why I just upticked you as I think you may have been misunderstood.

289105 ▶▶ Charlie Blue, replying to richmond, 14, #407 of 1952 🔗

The take home message for me from this postcard is that travel is still being made a misery and people following all the ridiculous rules can still be effectively kidnapped and held for 2 weeks in another country. I couldn’t ever have budgeted for a trip like that before all this madness but I don’t resent this couple spending their money on a honeymoon. I find it interesting to know what people’s experiences are even if they are far removed from my own.

289128 ▶▶ Lockdown_Lunacy, replying to richmond, 21, #408 of 1952 🔗

I don’t agree. These policies are causing misery in many ways, and the removal of enjoyment from life is one of them. The destruction of the travel industry is another, which these types of incidents exacerbate.

No point in getting bogged down in some sort of grief league. This crap is ruining life for many people in many different ways, it’s all rubbish.

289167 ▶▶▶ Stephanos, replying to Lockdown_Lunacy, 8, #409 of 1952 🔗

I agree with this when you say that these policies are causing misery in many different ways. My life has been wrecked, not due to a loss of employment (I am semi-retired) but because the things I like to do have been made difficult or even impossible. But I also know that my difficulties are as nothing compared to the misery experienced by others.
It is worthwhile to know the full extent of these disastrous policies even if some experiences are nowhere near as serious as others.

289192 ▶▶▶▶ Lockdown_Lunacy, replying to Stephanos, 12, #410 of 1952 🔗

Yes indeed. My life has been pretty crap over the last 9 months as my wife and I are both in aviation. She’s avoided 1 round of redundancy already and I’ve had a long time on furlough at 50% pay. I managed to get a temporary job to top up my pay so I know it could be much worse.

Incidents like this make it really hard for people to travel so end up hitting families like mine in the pocket. Everything is interconnected. The misery experienced by individuals just trying to go about their business and being prevented from doing so is also important, so I try to avoid ranking it.

289178 ▶▶ karenovirus, replying to richmond, 4, #411 of 1952 🔗

I let my passport lapse some years ago but I have no problem with other people enjoying their money any way they choose.

289477 ▶▶ Two-Six, replying to richmond, 1, #412 of 1952 🔗

I just cannot understand why anybody would put themselves through this mask/visor/testing bullshit, especially to go to Doha.

289088 Matt Dalby, 4, #413 of 1952 🔗

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2j-dbpcVSm0
I reckon the section between 3mins22 and 5mins01 is a pretty goood summary of what many business owners and employees in the hospitality sector want to say to Boris, Gove etc. about the new tier system.

289093 Lockdown_Lunacy, replying to Lockdown_Lunacy, 24, #414 of 1952 🔗

In spite of all of the ‘Covid safe’ measures, my daughter and I were able to help ourselves to pick n mix from a large supermarket the other day. There were only 2 reusable scoops and most of the sweets were unwrapped… somebody tell SAGE, this dangerous activity needs to be accounted for in the modelling!

289096 ▶▶ Ewan Duffy, replying to Lockdown_Lunacy, 7, #415 of 1952 🔗

That will increase the R number by, I don’t know, 2.35!

289103 ▶▶▶ Lockdown_Lunacy, replying to Ewan Duffy, 6, #416 of 1952 🔗

Probably. Adding 2 additional scoops might reduce it by 0.82 but only if they close the deli counter at the same time…

289164 ▶▶▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to Lockdown_Lunacy, 1, #417 of 1952 🔗

When you read the kind of tinkering they think they can get away with in terms of the R number, you wouldn’t be surprised if that was their line of thinking
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-55192732

289266 ▶▶▶▶ Spikedee1, replying to Lockdown_Lunacy, 2, #418 of 1952 🔗

But by eating it all you become a bit more overweight which puts you in a higher risk category, nom! nom! nom!.

289487 ▶▶ Two-Six, replying to Lockdown_Lunacy, 3, #419 of 1952 🔗

The last time I went to Wilco they had removed all the pick n mix for safety reasons, idiots. It was the only thing worth going in there for. Interesting to hear that pick n mix has now seemingly been deemed to be safe.
Bastards

289094 Ewan Duffy, 13, #420 of 1952 🔗

The law of unintended consequences – cafes and restaurants allowed to reopen in Ireland are finding it hard to get staff as the Pandemic Unemployment Payment is worth more than working. Compounded by the fact that Ireland has a Christmas bonus for those on social welfare (including those on PUP), anyone going back to work now will forfeit that.

For clarification, I fully support the payment being made to those who were told that they were not allowed to work “to save granny”. The fundamental issue is that there should not have been a lockdown to start with.

https://www.independent.ie/world-news/coronavirus/hospitality-sector-struggled-to-find-staff-for-re-opening-as-coming-off-pup-not-worth-it-for-many-workers-39833641.html

289098 Ben, replying to Ben, 2, #421 of 1952 🔗

Why does this feel like an attack?

289101 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to Ben, 2, #422 of 1952 🔗

It’s just a card, just a page on your passport. It’s over.

289099 paologrigio, replying to paologrigio, 19, #423 of 1952 🔗

The Guardian interviews Professor Neil Ferguson about his lockdown rule-breaking among other things: “In some sense it was a risk-based judgement which is exactly the wrong thing to do.”.
Erm….so we shouldn’t be making risk-based judgements?? Says everything we need to know about why things are so wrong with lockdown strategy.

289660 ▶▶ Spikedee1, replying to paologrigio, #424 of 1952 🔗

No you must sit quietly in the corner facing the wall until the professor tells you it’s safe to move. And if you need to use the loo DON’T RUN! Yes miss!

290066 ▶▶ Jez Hewitt, replying to paologrigio, 2, #425 of 1952 🔗

Which was the greater risk, Neil, catching the flu, someone grassing you up for breaking your own rules or her husband finding out? Answers on a postcard to:

Po Box 606060
CLINT

A long prosperous life you will live not, methinks.

289102 Biker, replying to Biker, 61, #426 of 1952 🔗

The fact the Christmas Market was rammed with people shows how many people just want to get back to normal. This shows me that once the pathetic, the mentally ill, the hypochondriacs and scared have had their vaccination no one else will bother. This idea they’re gonna get any more than about 1% of the population to take this is insane. No one wants it and no one is gonna take it. if they try and make me i will fight to the death. If they try and stop me shopping or going to the pub without a vaccine card i will fight them. I am not alone, in fact i am the majority. We don’t need the government any more. I refuse to accept them or anything they do.

289121 ▶▶ PoshPanic, replying to Biker, 21, #427 of 1952 🔗

I thought the same thing. The photos of the busy shopping and markets over the weekend, completely contradicts the polls. Most people seem to just be complying with the rules and the bedwetters are becoming out numbered. I think these polls are WAY out.

289153 ▶▶▶ Waldorf, replying to PoshPanic, 22, #428 of 1952 🔗

My feeling is a lot of people engage in minimum compliance to avoid trouble with police or neighbours, but the real bedwetters are a minority, perhaps as small a minority as the resisters.

289169 ▶▶▶▶ Lockdown_Lunacy, replying to Waldorf, 10, #429 of 1952 🔗

I agree. Whenever someone reveals to me that they had a friend or a relative over they often add ‘but we’re in a bubble’. When I indicate that I don’t care about ‘bubbles’, they are usually relieved to drop the pretence.

289200 ▶▶▶ Fingerache Philip., replying to PoshPanic, 3, #430 of 1952 🔗

I really hope so.

289133 ▶▶ Janice21, replying to Biker, 11, #431 of 1952 🔗

Exactly, whilst there are many who see the vaccine as their ultimate saviour, on the other side of the coin, I am pleasantly surprised how many won’t have it. I think it’s backfired somewhat for the government.

289157 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to Biker, 8, #432 of 1952 🔗

I hope you are right. But I also think many are engaged in this warped dance where in front of certain people they will declare their concern and fear of the rona, then without any real strain, walk out to the Christmas Market. Not a thought given to that contrast. Every thought is outsourced.

“Surely if its open then its OK, better bring my mask just in case. The man on the TV said they are life savers”

289495 ▶▶ Two-Six, replying to Biker, 12, #433 of 1952 🔗

Mrs 2-6 went out yesterday to meet up with some salt-of-the-earth type local ladies, six indoors for xmass drinkies and cake. All of them were very well informed sceptics! Much to my surprise, apparently one or two of them has actually taken notes from their sceptical online friends so they could better push out their sceptic facts. Excellent!

There is hope

290016 ▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Two-Six, #434 of 1952 🔗

There’s definitely hope!

290077 ▶▶ Jez Hewitt, replying to Biker, 3, #435 of 1952 🔗

It’s getting to the point we need to remind them we are the government. This is fucking me right off.

289104 kh1485, replying to kh1485, 6, #436 of 1952 🔗

Off topic, but as there’s a ‘Woke’ bit on here, perhaps not. Just seen a pop-up news item saying that Harry and Meghan are going to announce their own honours list. Mike Graham on talkRADIO should be good later …

289109 ▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to kh1485, 4, #437 of 1952 🔗

Let me guess who the recipients will be – those slebs who were featured on Meghan’s so-callled “Forces for Change” Vogue cover.

289118 ▶▶▶ kh1485, replying to Bart Simpson, 8, #438 of 1952 🔗

Exactly. And there will probably be a mirror because we should all be honoured … Still, given me a much needed laugh this morning.

289297 ▶▶ mattghg, replying to kh1485, 4, #439 of 1952 🔗

FFS that couple is the avatar of lack of self-awareness.

289335 ▶▶ Victoria, replying to kh1485, 8, #440 of 1952 🔗

Uggh I used to support the Royal Family but getting very tired of Prince William (this week visiting the NHS workers that ‘worked so hard’) and Prince Harry (tired of all his woke messages). The last straw will be if the Queen allows herself to be forced to take the vaccine as virtue signalling exercise.

289520 ▶▶▶ JanMasarykMunich, replying to Victoria, 4, #441 of 1952 🔗

Agree. The Queen (and all RF members) should refuse to comment on whether or not she has the vaccine. Otherwise, she is engaging in politics.

290021 ▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Victoria, #442 of 1952 🔗

Nah. She’s just going to announce her virtuousness “after she’s had it” !

290140 ▶▶▶ Jez Hewitt, replying to Victoria, 1, #443 of 1952 🔗

Bearing in mind Charles is firmly in bed with the WEF, I think come 2030 they’ll all be considered even more hypocritical pieces of shit than now.

Don’t get me started on the Queen (yes, I too loved the woman). Are the tears she wipes away every 11th November for the genuine sacrifices made, or are they for a past gone era?

She needs to go back and listen to her father’s speeches, then dissolve this fucking shambles.

290661 ▶▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to Jez Hewitt, 1, #444 of 1952 🔗

I was disappointed when she turned up muzzled at Westminster Abbey when there were only 3 of them.

Whoever advised her to do that should have been reprimanded.

Queen Elizabeth the Queen Mother would have been appalled and possibly would have considered being masked up as a sign of cowardice and dereliction of duty.

289112 Tom Blackburn, 11, #445 of 1952 🔗

Could the solution be as simple as calling your GP to tell them that you’ve had a private Rona test which has come back positive and you want it adding to your records? 👀

289115 Nsklent, replying to Nsklent, 16, #446 of 1952 🔗

Wish LS would stop being taken in by these so called polls. Besides being open to abuse by those pushing the propoganda, the polls are likely to be aimed at a certain demographic, think the 24 year old bed wetter ( I am afraid there is no other word for such a pathetic person) at the Nottingham Christmas fair mentioned in this article.
Regarding Doha – maybe the traveller should have done their research before travelling. Qatar only accepts tests done from St Bartholomew’s private hospital in London. If you have a test cert from there, 72 hours prior to travel, you will not require a test in Doha.

289125 ▶▶ nottingham69, replying to Nsklent, 10, #447 of 1952 🔗

100% and the decision to shut an outdoor market utterly idiotic. These shoppers are at far more risk collecting virus inside shops, even more so air conditioned arenas, that this wretched government so favour.

289140 ▶▶ AN other lockdown sceptic, replying to Nsklent, 16, #448 of 1952 🔗

I do wish that the bedwetters would just stay locked up at home and let the rest of us get on with our lives.

289158 ▶▶▶ PoshPanic, replying to AN other lockdown sceptic, 14, #449 of 1952 🔗

No, seems the bedwetters like to go to places that are likely to be busy and then complain online/call the Daily Mail about it.

289131 Mabel Cow, replying to Mabel Cow, 16, #450 of 1952 🔗

The main page of the World Vaccine Polls website is still broken, but I’ve pulled out the individual polls as separate links and these links work OK in isolation.

As at 08:35 on 2020-12-07, about 53,000 people have voted and the results are:

You can’t immediately see the yes-no percentages on each of these pages, but if you click on a button to cast a vote you will see the current results.

289203 ▶▶ Burlington, replying to Mabel Cow, #451 of 1952 🔗

Just tried to access the site. all the links appear to be broken. 77th Brigade perhaps?

289212 ▶▶▶ Burlington, replying to Burlington, 1, #452 of 1952 🔗

Just discovered that having the ad Blocker on stops the links working here.

289244 ▶▶ Sue, replying to Mabel Cow, #453 of 1952 🔗

sounds like they didn’t like the results and took it down!! If it’s the same link as yesterday i clicked and it worked and answered.

289339 ▶▶▶ davews, replying to Sue, 1, #454 of 1952 🔗

And the results show that most other polls are a load of rubbish…

289281 ▶▶ Mabel Cow, replying to Mabel Cow, 3, #455 of 1952 🔗

Sorry, I goofed the first link. Not the 77th, just a silly cow. 🙂 Never ascribe to malice that which can be adequately explained by incompetence.

The main page link should have been:

https://www.worldvaccinepoll.com/

The page is still non-functional for me, even with my ad blocker disabled. The individual question links are all OK though, so you can go through them one by one if you like.

289506 ▶▶ Two-Six, replying to Mabel Cow, #456 of 1952 🔗

This is encouraging

290023 ▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Mabel Cow, #457 of 1952 🔗

The questions are unashamedly biased!
I did the poll with great relish.

290483 ▶▶ richard riewer, replying to Mabel Cow, #458 of 1952 🔗

The NOs have it.

289136 Dan L, replying to Dan L, #459 of 1952 🔗

Thought for the day “A masking prayer”

I saw this yesterday outside a church in South Devon.

289146 ▶▶ Stephanos, replying to Dan L, 10, #460 of 1952 🔗

I couldn’t decide whether to uptick or downtick this. A sort of thanks for posting it,
It was difficult to read; I couldn’t stand the sanctimony,

289180 ▶▶▶ bluemoon, replying to Stephanos, 9, #461 of 1952 🔗

Agreed, vomit inducing. And the sort of notice which should be taken down when nobody is looking.

289188 ▶▶▶▶ Dan L, replying to bluemoon, 4, #462 of 1952 🔗

I thought about that but it seemed so absurd I thought it might do the sceptic cause more good to leave it.

289273 ▶▶▶▶▶ Mabel Cow, replying to Dan L, 4, #463 of 1952 🔗

Replace it with a hacked version that looks superficially similar but with the text changed to something subtly subversive.

289183 ▶▶▶ Dan L, replying to Stephanos, 4, #464 of 1952 🔗

Yes I was not expecting any upvotes for this! I thought it was a bit weird almost like someone taken hostage trying to send a coded message out. The mask with the writing on looks like something you would see in a horror film.

289213 ▶▶▶ Bella Donna, replying to Stephanos, #465 of 1952 🔗

I couldn’t read it enlarging it distorted the print.

289262 ▶▶ PompeyJunglist, replying to Dan L, 1, #466 of 1952 🔗

The work of an unhinged mind.

289278 ▶▶▶ Dan L, replying to PompeyJunglist, 1, #467 of 1952 🔗

Agreed. But according to the press and the government these are the words of the sane and we’re the kooks.

290199 ▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to PompeyJunglist, 1, #468 of 1952 🔗

The work of a phone camera not set to a sufficiently high resolution. 🙂

289328 ▶▶ Ben, replying to Dan L, 1, #469 of 1952 🔗

Politicians have banned congregations, so they need to pick a side

289330 ▶▶ Victoria, replying to Dan L, 6, #470 of 1952 🔗

And you left it there? Please remove this filth from public view

290031 ▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Dan L, 1, #471 of 1952 🔗

If it hadn’t started with “As I put on my mask,” I’d have found it a lovely request for non-judgmentalism.

However, it does start with that and should have a sick bucket thoughtfully placed underneath it.

290670 ▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to Dan L, #472 of 1952 🔗

Someone posted something similar ages ago. All I can say, do these people not realise that they’re taking the Lord’s name in vain with this abomination?

289137 AN other lockdown sceptic, 27, #473 of 1952 🔗

Good morning valiant fellow Lockdown Sceptics.

Every day when I awake, I ask my wife ‘has the world come back to its senses yet?’. She gets up a lot earlier than me so has time to check before me. The answer, as you could guess, is always a very clear ‘no, not yet’.

Reading today’s update, that answer isn’t going to change anytime soon.

Keep fighting the good fight all of you. The truth will out.

289139 calchas, replying to calchas, 23, #474 of 1952 🔗

The only poll that counts is what people do.

Rammed Christmas market shows plenty of people don’t believe the propaganda.

289147 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to calchas, 9, #475 of 1952 🔗

I wonder. Are people just that dense that their whole approach to this is based on what they are told. Rather than making informed decisions. So when they say the Crimbo market is open, the virus must be taking a break. But when it’s after 6pm, no no no, its feeding time.

It’s a clear a sign of sheeple as I have ever seen.

And to think of the public officials in their meetings acting all concerned for every life. The public good. Its all just window dressing for an empty skull

289620 ▶▶▶ Jo Dominich -, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 4, #476 of 1952 🔗

Shame then that they are not concerned about the 200,000-350,000 deaths the ONS estimate will occur as a result of people’s life saving diagnostic services and treatment being cancelled, all totally avoidable deaths if diagnosed and treated early. Despite their claims, it obviously isn’t about saving lives as the article on here this weekend about the NHS ruthlessly pursuing and bullying older people to sign DNR notices to prevent hospital admissions (something the NHS has been doing for years by the way). This is about vested interests and unbridled political power. Never again must we ever point the finger at Russia, China, North Korea and other Socialist States. They are, currently, a lot freer than we are.

289198 ▶▶ Fingerache Philip., replying to calchas, 1, #477 of 1952 🔗

Truly hope so.

290036 ▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to calchas, 1, #478 of 1952 🔗

Don’t forget the fight to get into Harrods!

289148 calchas, replying to calchas, 12, #479 of 1952 🔗

What does the government do if only 20% take the vaccine?

What does the government do if only 20% take the vaccine and serious negative effects become apparent within several months?

Do they pressure NHS workers?

If serious negative effects of the vaccine become apparent in NHS workers pressured to take the vaccine, after sveeral months, will there be a shortage of NHS workers.

What would be the effect on all cause mortality of that?

What would the effect on public mood be?

Questions, questions, questions …..

289227 ▶▶ JohnB, replying to calchas, 6, #480 of 1952 🔗

We all know what is going to happen, it won’t be made mandatory but it will be. Everywhere you need to go, supermarket, local shops, pub, holidays parks, planes, workplaces, etc will all require us to have a COVID certificate. So, no matter if you say you wont have it you will have to in order to have a life.

289541 ▶▶▶ JanMasarykMunich, replying to JohnB, 6, #481 of 1952 🔗

That may be the plan, but if enough people refuse, it will not work.
Just say NO.

290202 ▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to JohnB, 2, #482 of 1952 🔗

That might be the plan. It won’t work in a month of Sundays

289152 PoshPanic, 13, #483 of 1952 🔗

So to celebrate small business Saturday, they shut down a load of independent market traders, who’d probably ordered stock and perishable food. Good way to win support.

https://twitter.com/BorisJohnson/status/1335213750438260736

289154 calchas, replying to calchas, 13, #484 of 1952 🔗

If somehow this ‘vaccine’ ‘works’, then it would be the first thing the government got right during this crisis,

What are the chances of the governmnet getting everything else wrong, and then suddenly getting it right with the vaccine?

289172 ▶▶ OKUK, replying to calchas, 12, #485 of 1952 🔗

About 0.3% or, as the government would put it, 99.7%. 🙂

289166 kh1485, replying to kh1485, 6, #486 of 1952 🔗

Having just had a (sort of) conversation with the window cleaner who was wearing a mask outside, it dawned on me what his muffled words reminded me of: that public information film from the 70s – the ‘Charley says’ one …

289171 ▶▶ Suze Burtenshaw, replying to kh1485, 7, #487 of 1952 🔗

I loved Charley the cat, with his bony kipper!

289185 ▶▶ Nsklent, replying to kh1485, 14, #488 of 1952 🔗

Considering law of averages, he has more chance of falling off his ladder and being seriously injured or killed than dying of the virus – why the mask?

289384 ▶▶▶ kh1485, replying to Nsklent, 3, #489 of 1952 🔗

God knows. I thought he was a sceptic, but he’s clearly been got at!

289261 ▶▶ Freecumbria, replying to kh1485, 8, #490 of 1952 🔗

Charley says never play with rushed vaccines, because they can hurt you

289274 ▶▶ mjr, replying to kh1485, 6, #491 of 1952 🔗

love this spoof charley says . totally appropriate for covid and the sheeple

289389 ▶▶▶ kh1485, replying to mjr, #492 of 1952 🔗

Brilliant!

289777 ▶▶▶ Ceriain, replying to mjr, 1, #493 of 1952 🔗

Love the ‘Pussy’ magazine. 🙂

289327 ▶▶ Victoria, replying to kh1485, 3, #494 of 1952 🔗

Maybe get another window cleaner? This one is too far gone

289347 ▶▶ thinkaboutit, replying to kh1485, 6, #495 of 1952 🔗

I hope he wasn’t going up a ladder while masked. The slightest whiff of hypoxia he’ll fall off. Did he do a risk assessment?

289173 Sarigan, 26, #496 of 1952 🔗

On the Sage immunity for 90 days, why have we not seen 100s of thousands of reinfections since we are 9 months at least in to this. Bollocks is what I say SAGE.

289175 George Mc, replying to George Mc, 10, #497 of 1952 🔗

Celebs – don’t you just love ‘em?

https://www.mirror.co.uk/3am/celebrity-news/uk-biggest-stars-unite-declare-23121477

“Bob Geldof, Michael Palin and Michael Parkinson will take coronavirus vaccine ‘without fear’

Some of the biggest household names from music, TV and the stage, including showbiz knights Bob Geldof, Michael Palin and Michael Parkinson, said they would not hesitate getting the jab

Celebs backing the jab included TV anchor Eamonn Holmes, Strictly judge Craig Revel-Horwood, Mastermind host John Humphrys, chat king Sir Michael Parkinson, Monty Python’s Sir Michael Palin, singer Lulu and rockers Roger Daltrey and Ronnie Wood.
Live Aid hero Bob Geldof, 69, led the rallying call, saying: “I will absolutely and immediately take it as soon as humanly possible.””

Oh Bobby G – we need an anthem for this. How about “Vax the world/Let them know they’re getting poked at last”

Mention of Monty Python, reminded me of that sketch featuring the funniest joke of all time which was so lethal it could cause you to laugh yourself to death. Well the Mirror can finally reveal that joke – although they had to neutralise it by splitting it apart. I will put it together for you. Be warned!:

“After weeks of scaremongering from anti-vaxxers , the wave of support was perfectly timed as the vaccine is rolled out this week. And more families were grieving as the UK Covid death toll rose 397 to 61,014 .”

289381 ▶▶ Jonathan Palmer, replying to George Mc, 2, #498 of 1952 🔗

Roger Daltrey.FFS.All is lost

290054 ▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Jonathan Palmer, 1, #499 of 1952 🔗

And Ronnie Wood! Disillusionment is worse than covid!

290214 ▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to Jonathan Palmer, 2, #500 of 1952 🔗

Looks like he got fooled again …

290491 ▶▶▶ richard riewer, replying to Jonathan Palmer, #501 of 1952 🔗

So much for ‘Won’t get fooled again’, Roger.

289390 ▶▶ Ewan Duffy, replying to George Mc, 11, #502 of 1952 🔗

In light of Bob Geldof sticking his oar in, I thought I’d re-write the Band Aid 1984 single to reflect the times we are in:

Its Covid time, there’s a need to be afraid

At Covid time, we close the doors and we banish trade

And in this world of cra-a-zy, we can spread a slab of fear

Throw your arm towards the vax at COVID time

And Pfizer says, take this vax for sa-fe-ty

At Covid time, its good, and will save your Granny

We have moved the Overton window

To make a world of dread and tears

Where the only story moving

Is the daily dose of fear

And the COVID test rate re-port-ing

Are the same old lead story

It looks like we’re locked down ‘til 2040

And there won’t be hope in Eu-r-ope this COVID time

The nasty gift they’ll get this year is vaxxed

Where life is not worth living

And fear and hatred grow

Don’t they know its lies and fear at all

Here’s the vax raise your sleeve to get it in

Place that mask of yours in the bloody bin


Don’t they know its lies and fear at all

Vax the world

Vax the world

Vax the world

Don’t they know its lies and fear at…

Vax the world

289424 ▶▶▶ Bella Donna, replying to Ewan Duffy, 1, #503 of 1952 🔗

That is very good take a bow.

289621 ▶▶▶ George Mc, replying to Ewan Duffy, #504 of 1952 🔗

That’s so good I hope you don’t mind if I copy/paste it into the OffGuardian site. Don’t worry. I’ll give you full credit!

289636 ▶▶▶▶ Ewan Duffy, replying to George Mc, 1, #505 of 1952 🔗

Be my guest.

289662 ▶▶▶▶▶ George Mc, replying to Ewan Duffy, 2, #506 of 1952 🔗

It’s a work of genius, There’s even a bit of an internal rhyme here:

“Here’s the vax raise your sleeve to get it in

Place that mask of yours in the bloody bin”

289773 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Ewan Duffy, replying to George Mc, #507 of 1952 🔗

I am a fan of novelty music and parodies – I did my best to match the lyrics to the tempo of the original and include rhyme where possible.

290067 ▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Ewan Duffy, #508 of 1952 🔗

Wonderful!

290216 ▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to Ewan Duffy, #509 of 1952 🔗

Worth sending to Media Bear.

290493 ▶▶▶ richard riewer, replying to Ewan Duffy, #510 of 1952 🔗

Deck the halls with bags of vaccines, tra la la la la …

290496 ▶▶▶ richard riewer, replying to Ewan Duffy, #511 of 1952 🔗

Vax the World I want to get off.

289608 ▶▶ Jo Dominich -, replying to George Mc, 2, #512 of 1952 🔗

The truth is of course, that none of these celebrities would actually take it – they are just propaganda for the masses who they are trying to get to take it.

289990 ▶▶ David Grimbleby, replying to George Mc, #513 of 1952 🔗

Who, in their right mind takes any moral or otherwise influence from this fucking bunch of arse…

289177 George Mc, replying to George Mc, 9, #514 of 1952 🔗

Of the celebs endorsing the vax, note that there’s not a single young person on that list. The youngest I can see are Kelly Hoppen and Eamonn Holmes (both 61).

Let’s be frank here – these are people who haven’t much life left to look forward to. More to the point, they are mostly TV personalities who I reckon are in the pay of the BBC. I feel there’s a little bit of arm bending here – and I reckon it wouldn’t take much. These are people who are indispensable to the propaganda needed here since they are mainly on the left/liberal side and they love to lend their names to a “good cause”. And if there is a more dangerous species then I don’t know what it is. At least little Greta has the excuse of being a child.

289189 ▶▶ thedarkhorse, replying to George Mc, 14, #515 of 1952 🔗

Don’t always assume that folk in their 60’s don’t have much life left to look forward to. It’s akin to saying that “it’s all over” once you reach your 60’s. Folk don’t retire now until they’re 65/66/67 and many I know have said that they are really enjoying life after work. So yes we may only have 15 to 20 years but they are just as valuable as the years of people who have fifty or sixty years remaining. Mind you, I couldnt give tuppence for the TV personalities.

289193 ▶▶ Achilles, replying to George Mc, 16, #516 of 1952 🔗

Why on earth would I trust Eamonn Holmes’ judgement on whether a vaccine is safe or necessary? I don’t know if you’ve ever seen celebrities on quiz shows but the vast majority of them are as thick as pig-shit. I wouldn’t trust their advice on tying my shoelaces.

289196 ▶▶▶ Fingerache Philip., replying to Achilles, 3, #517 of 1952 🔗

Talking wallpaper/ Eye candy.

290071 ▶▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Fingerache Philip., 1, #518 of 1952 🔗

Ronnie Wood never qualified as eye candy!

289313 ▶▶▶ TC, replying to Achilles, 4, #519 of 1952 🔗

Yes,that does seem to be the case.
My wife watches “Lorraine” and since I’m off work today,I caught some of it.
They are really pro vaccine but did I really hear their GP say that there were 3000 deaths this week caused by the virus ( not even with the virus) and he certainly thinks anyone refusing the vaccine is a selfish bod who cares nothing about reducing transmission of the virus….so it definitely stops transmission,does it?
If only Mike Yeadon could be invited on one of these propagand shows.

290073 ▶▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to TC, #520 of 1952 🔗

They’d steamroller him with rubbish.

289470 ▶▶▶ TyRade, replying to Achilles, 1, #521 of 1952 🔗

In that context, I thought Wayne Rooney, analysing the robust Millwall fans’ repost to BLM, was classic: it was just a “mindless” few.

289781 ▶▶▶ Ceriain, replying to Achilles, 1, #522 of 1952 🔗

I guess Eamonn sees it as just another needle. He’s clearly had enough poked into him, given the changes his face seems to have experienced over the last couple of years.

289195 ▶▶ Fingerache Philip., replying to George Mc, 9, #523 of 1952 🔗

Thanks George, I will be 72 on Wednesday but when the moronic collaborators realise what the MSM are telling them are lies, the sooner (hopefully) we can get back to enjoying the time we have left, be it 2 or 72 years.

289205 ▶▶ FlynnQuill, replying to George Mc, 13, #524 of 1952 🔗

They are all fucking collaborators, pure and simple.

289207 ▶▶ Bella Donna, replying to George Mc, 4, #525 of 1952 🔗

I take absolutely no notice of what celebs think, I’m more likely to do the opposite. I dont think they’re as intelligent as they think they are.

289238 ▶▶ PatrickF, replying to George Mc, 5, #526 of 1952 🔗

I’m publishing my first book next year and I’m 60. There’s life in this old dog!

289270 ▶▶ stefarm, replying to George Mc, 2, #527 of 1952 🔗

So if my balls shrivel up can I sue any one of them for advising me to take it?

289179 John David, replying to John David, 17, #528 of 1952 🔗

Reading the depressing surveys I’m sure people like the Chinese Communist Party must be rubbing their hands in glee at how spineless we and the rest of Europe have become.

As for the lockdown and Teir system: we are still in lockdown. I went for dinner with a friend within my social bubble last week and we were refused entry into the Wetherspoons at Liverpool Street by a rather rude and overbearing member of staff who stated we couldn’t have a meal because we didn’t live together. This is totally contrary to the government regulations. However, I am not surprised as nobody really seems knows what’s going on. Although, I’m surprised that somebody like Tim Martin has allowed this to happen in his establishments.

290078 ▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to John David, 2, #529 of 1952 🔗

He probably doesn’t know. Write and tell him.

289190 OKUK, replying to OKUK, 16, #530 of 1952 🔗

Extreme vaxophile JHB on Talk Radio gives Labour’s Joshua Reynolds the easiest of rides. The appalling Reynolds wants total social media censorship to prevent people sceptical of the benefits of mass Covid vaccination from putting the case.

She also has a go at Trump for refusing to accept the “result” of the US Presidential election. I presume she doesn’t actually approve of electoral fraud and malpractice, so can only conclude she hasn’t done her job and so isn’t aware of the mountain of evidence of fraud and malpractice that has been accumulated, including undeniable video evidence.

289219 ▶▶ JohnB, replying to OKUK, 9, #531 of 1952 🔗

The narrative has very much turned at Talk Radio since last week. Anyone calling in to talk about the vaccine was virtually cut off immediately, Mike Parry was terrible on it at the weekend, if anyone basically disagreed he said ‘you’re not an expert, MHRA are and they’ve deemed it safe” then the callers were cut off. There was also lots of championing the COVID Certificate as well.

289272 ▶▶▶ Jonathan Palmer, replying to JohnB, 10, #532 of 1952 🔗

It was always a race between the development of a vaccine and the population waking up.Barring a catastrophic adverse reaction to the vaccine I can’t see how we can ever return to the old normal;living as freeborn Britons.

290082 ▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to JohnB, 1, #533 of 1952 🔗

They’ve obviously been got at. Probably threatened with defunding.
Best to stop watching. Good while it lasted.

290507 ▶▶ richard riewer, replying to OKUK, #534 of 1952 🔗

I listen to Alex Jones and America First with Sebastian Gorka.

289194 Scotty87, replying to Scotty87, 39, #535 of 1952 🔗

The vaccine fiasco shows just how nakedly political this whole thing has become. It’s abundantly clear that the government and the MHRA have cut corners in order to be the first to approve a vaccine for use, the idea being that this can be claimed as a “victory” and incontrovertible proof that they really do have the health of the public as their #1 priority.

In reality, it’s very likely that this chapter will simply provide even more evidence that we are dealing with a very dangerous group of people, who will once again sacrifice innocent lives to further their deeply sinister political agendas and solidify their grip on power. There is the potential now for an avalanche of health issues to arise from the mass uptake of these experimental vaccines, the number of which I firmly believe will make the impact of Covid-19 look meek in comparison.

For example, there is no data available on how these vaccines interact with other medications or other Covid-19 vaccines – well worry not, we’ll use the aged and comorbid as guinea pigs to see what happens. There is no data available on how these vaccines affect fertility – well worry not, we’ll just recruit a few famous faces to tell us that these concoctions really are very safe, and we should be rolling up our sleeves to take them if we really DO care about “saving lives.”

There is already a quasi-religious aurora around the vaccine in the sense that it is being worshipped by all and sundry as the path to deliver us from the Covid Evil, and anybody who does not subscribe to this cult is labelled a heretic or “anti-vaxx” to coin their favourite slur. A concert was recently held in honour of the scientists who engineered the Oxford vaccine – these men and women are already being elevated as demi-Gods, divine beings who bring with them the promise of life and a restoration of our cherished freedoms.

Of course, the sceptic community is one step ahead of everybody else. We can see through the venomous lies of Hancock & Van-Tam, and we will enjoy immunity from the tidal wave of propaganda that will be unleashed over the coming months. This will sadly not be true for most of the general public – many will be coerced to take these jabs through sheer force of the messaging, pressure from friends and family or of course by blackmail – get your shot or wave goodbye to holidays, live football or hospital treatment for the foreseeable future.

It sounds awful to say this but part of me actually hopes that these vaccines do cause terrible damage, because that’s possibly the only way to wake the Covid cultists out of their hypnotic state. Once they realise that there is no magic bullet and the solution to this nightmare has always been to carry on living, maybe we’ll start winning this battle.

289224 ▶▶ calchas, replying to Scotty87, 7, #536 of 1952 🔗

Perhaps the vaccine can have effects across the blood/brain barrier to make people capable of independent thought.

289246 ▶▶▶ Hieronimusb, replying to calchas, 9, #537 of 1952 🔗

An adverse drug reaction that serious would guarantee its immediate withdrawal.

289411 ▶▶▶ G.Fawkes, replying to calchas, 2, #538 of 1952 🔗

Unlikely. Human stupidity is a universal constant.

290085 ▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to calchas, #539 of 1952 🔗

.

290903 ▶▶▶ Judy Watson, replying to calchas, #540 of 1952 🔗

If only. But too much to hope for.

289263 ▶▶ stefarm, replying to Scotty87, 4, #541 of 1952 🔗

These men and women are already being elevated as demi-Gods.

Great point, we must now pray and worship at their feet, they can give us the gift of life. Snake oil salesman.

289277 ▶▶ Sue, replying to Scotty87, 7, #542 of 1952 🔗

i agree that i hope there is some health issues from the vaxx (however unfortunate for the victims) and i think it will be the only way to stop this mania. But then it may just prolong it as they say we have to design a new vaxx and add years to the misery…
Not sure there’s a simple answer but hoping the government’s incompetance and a high level of non compliance for the vaxx will come into play and it will be quietly downgraded in importance like the T&T and other failed initiatives.

289201 FlynnQuill, replying to FlynnQuill, 8, #543 of 1952 🔗

Quick question, do we actually know what the vaccine does or doesn’t do? I’ve read that it doesn’t stop transmission, doesn’t cure anybody with the virus and only reduces the seriousness of the symptoms. Can anyone confirm?

289211 ▶▶ JohnB, replying to FlynnQuill, 10, #544 of 1952 🔗

No one knows, not even the manufacturers and they admit this. It is just too soon for them to have any understanding which is why the trials are for 24 months.

289239 ▶▶▶ FlynnQuill, replying to JohnB, 14, #545 of 1952 🔗

I was just wanting it confirmed as some people at work have the delusion that once it is rolled out we’ll be back to normal. I’ve already told them that nobody knows what it actually does. Also, I told my co-workers, can you trust a man that blatantly lied to Parliament about his step father dying of COVID which has been proved not to be the case. I just get blank looks.

I’m a very fit fifty year old so won’t be going anywhere near this vaccine. Why on earth would I when the survival rate for me is 99.97%?

289258 ▶▶▶▶ stefarm, replying to FlynnQuill, 10, #546 of 1952 🔗

We are never getting back to normal.

Unless we take it back!

289282 ▶▶▶▶▶ calchas, replying to stefarm, 5, #547 of 1952 🔗

Exactly – I think it wil eventually dawn on people.

289302 ▶▶▶▶▶ Biker, replying to stefarm, 8, #548 of 1952 🔗

I never gave it up

289312 ▶▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to FlynnQuill, 3, #549 of 1952 🔗

Basically it’s the equivalent of if you had terminal cancer and a new experimental treatment was made available within which that you could participate in the trial. Nothing is really known about it and you’re a guinea pig for it but you accept it as it’s the only thing that could possibly save you, and you also waive all rights to suing the manufacturer as it’s your last chance saloon.

The problem we have with the vaccine is that we’re going to have millions of guinea pigs where the outcome of taking the vaccine is unknown.

289369 ▶▶▶▶▶ Jonathan Palmer, replying to JohnB, 7, #550 of 1952 🔗

With the big difference is cancer is going to kill you.Covid is very unlikely to.

289242 ▶▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to JohnB, 5, #551 of 1952 🔗

People don’t even know this fact. That these are phase 4 trials, not fully tested.

289216 ▶▶ calchas, replying to FlynnQuill, 6, #552 of 1952 🔗

We don’t know what’s in it.

We don’t know what it does.

So, do you want to take it?

289218 ▶▶ karenovirus, replying to FlynnQuill, 7, #553 of 1952 🔗

Like cortisone, it ameliorates symptoms and is not worthy of the name vaccine’.

289232 ▶▶ Bella Donna, replying to FlynnQuill, 3, #554 of 1952 🔗

Yes that is what I heard too. In which case why bother with it unless there is another agenda afterall.

289264 ▶▶ Sue, replying to FlynnQuill, 2, #555 of 1952 🔗

and the length of effectiveness seems to be questionable/undetermined.
you gotta wonder why the great push for this vaxx…

289315 ▶▶▶ FlynnQuill, replying to Sue, 2, #556 of 1952 🔗

Sounds like Snake Oil to me.

289279 ▶▶ guy153, replying to FlynnQuill, 15, #557 of 1952 🔗

It’s very hard to prove whether it stops transmission, just as it’s very hard to prove whether or not masks protect other people. Because how would you do that? You’d have to give the vaccine, or masks, or whatever, to whole communities and have control communities where you didn’t. It’s just not practical.

So this gets turned into “no evidence it prevents transmission”, “we just don’t know” etc.

Since it reduces infections, symptoms and severity it will no doubt also reduce transmission.

But since “they” have been trying to scare us all for months with the Myth of the Asymptomatic Superspreader it serves them right that they should have to squirm their way out of this by themselves 🙂

289305 ▶▶▶ FlynnQuill, replying to guy153, 5, #558 of 1952 🔗

So, the government are asking people to have this first of it’s kind, DNA altering vaccine pumped in to them but nobody can tell you what it actually does. Call me thick, but you’d have thought Pfizer would know what it actually does or does not do. Saying that, as Pfizer has done relatively little to no testing how would they know. That is why vaccines take anywhere between five and ten years to come to market, not a matter of months. Absolute madness!

289479 ▶▶▶▶ guy153, replying to FlynnQuill, 5, #559 of 1952 🔗

It’s not DNA-altering and they do know what it does. It infects you with some kind of facsimile of the virus so you get some immune memory that hopefully works against the real thing. Finding out whether it works and is safe is why the testing usually takes so long.

They have tested it on a lot of people (20,000 or so) but it’s correct that nobody knows whether there are long-term effects.

289317 ▶▶ Victoria, replying to FlynnQuill, 4, #560 of 1952 🔗

Is it [vaccine] protecting people against transmitting the infection , or is it about protecting the vaccinated person from severe disease if you are infected during a specific time window?

As it turns out, it’s only the latter. That means vaccinations are not being evaluated for their ability to stop the transmission of infections – something you’d think would be a target if you wanted to wipe out an epidemic or pandemic. But it’s actually something that takes much longer than the very short time frame these vaccines are being created within. The same applies to safety issues – some of the trials will continue to look at safety issues for 12 months or more, but the vaccines will be rolled out at least for emergency use sometimes with just a couple of months of safety data.

And as we’ve said before, history tells us it can be years before safety concerns are exposed, as we discovered with the swine flu vaccine Pandemrix and narcolepsy in children.

The current crop of novel covid vaccines are only being tested for their ability to stop people getting seriously ill, a risk that becomes less and less in a waning epidemic, and a risk that primarily only affects older people or those with underlying conditions.

On top of that, we don’t know a lot about the populations who appear to be protected from severe disease, and how many of these include groups who are the most vulnerable. Also note that two doses are needed in all 3 vaccines to yield the highest immune response – and higher dosages generally also yield more adverse reactions.

In effect, it means that the current Phase 3 trials are really testing the vaccines as a preventative treatment, not for their ability to make you immune to the virus and incapable of transmitting it to others. This is an important distinction. In other words, what the vaccines are really trying to do it make more people respond just like an unvaccinated healthy person who has a good functioning immune system, with some possible historic cross-immunity to other coronaviruses or previous exposure to SARS-CoV-2, and adequate amounts of vitamin C, D, zinc and other cofactors in their system.

https://www.anhinternational.org/news/have-you-decided-what-youll-do-or-say-if-offered-a-covid-vaccine/

289318 ▶▶ mattghg, replying to FlynnQuill, 2, #561 of 1952 🔗

The only thing that the clinical trials have really tested for is the % of people with and without the vaccine who “get covid” to any degree of severity, where “get covid” seems to mean symptoms + a positive PCR test. For all we know it might inhibit infection, prevent transmission etc. but there isn’t any clinical evidence of that and they’re not even looking for it .

289209 guy153, replying to guy153, 16, #562 of 1952 🔗

OK another email to my useless MP. Was hard to find the energy to bother as she won’t pay the least attention but it is said that this can have an effect.

Here’s what I said in case anyone want to borrow from it:

I’m writing to you ahead of the vote on December 14 about restrictions on people who don’t want a Covid vaccination.

I welcome the vaccines. It looks like they work well (some very well). They are safe, at least in the short term, and probably will be in the long term as well.

But whether or not it’s right to have the vaccine is a completely different question from whether it’s right to coerce people to have it, directly or indirectly. That would be like saying capital punishment is fine because we will only kill bad people.

It is completely unethical to give anyone any medical treatment without their consent and without having explained as objectively as possible the risks from the treatment as well as from the disease itself. If you do this you should find that many people are willing to take the vaccine at once, and most after a year or so when we will know more about possible longer-term risks.

There are plenty of good reasons not to want the vaccine at once.

1. You might have already had Covid. Any “expert” who claims to know that the vaccine will provide longer-lasting immunity than a real infection is lying.
2. You might be at low risk from Covid which means you can afford to wait and see how the vaccines turn out. There are many other vaccines in development and some may turn out to be much better than the ones that appeared at first.
3. There is still a small but unknown risk of vaccine enhanced disease. All vaccines that were attempted for SARS-CoV-1, the closest known relative of SARS-CoV-2 showed this problem, as did most MERS vaccines. The mechanism of that enhancement is possibly ADE but more likely a skewed immune response, resulting in immunopathology very similar to what we see in severe SARS1 and also in severe Covid.

Nobody knew that this would not happen with the Covid vaccines until they tried them on non-human primates, and now on people in phase 3.

The fact that we have not seen enhancement so far is hugely encouraging, but the similarity of the viruses and the severe diseases they can cause is concerning, as is the the lack of a complete understanding of what causes this phenomenon. The immune system is complex and the effect of a vaccine after a year may be very different to after a few weeks when the initial high levels of antibodies have subsided.
4. People may have other safety concerns. Some of these may indeed be unfounded, but the way to address that is to explain why.
5. Any other personal reason.

If you make people have a vaccine so that they can travel or go to school you are automatically giving them a bad reason to take it, because that incentive has nothing to do with their health.

You may argue that it’s beneficial from a public health point of view that as many people have the vaccine as possible. This may be true, though not to anything like the extent that government “scientists” would claim. But from a purely practical point of view, given the recent (entirely justified) collapse in public trust of the government and their “scientists”, any attempt at coercion will backfire.

The government does not know best, people in this country do not believe that, and you aren’t going to make them.

289228 ▶▶ karenovirus, replying to guy153, 8, #563 of 1952 🔗

Despite seeing with their own eyes that the Covid is no big deal people will still clamour for the vaccine as they think it will save them from lockdown, which it won’t as Van Tam has said, all part of the plan.

289442 ▶▶▶ Sam Vimes, replying to karenovirus, 3, #564 of 1952 🔗

And when they’ve had their jab and still get locked down, they will think “It’s worse than we thought, the vaccine doesn’t work!”, and they will clamour for even more strict measures. Fuckwits.

289240 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to guy153, 4, #565 of 1952 🔗

I get the sentiment but if these were safe as you say, why the concern for the ill-informed?

Will you refuse the vaccine until we are sure no coercion is in play out of principle?

I just don’t think people need to always start their letters etc “I’m not anti vaax but”. Seems to just set you up for a bit of contradiction.

289268 ▶▶▶ guy153, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 9, #566 of 1952 🔗

It’s not a contradiction. I don’t care if they’re as safe as orange juice. That doesn’t mean you should force them on people.

289350 ▶▶▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to guy153, 2, #567 of 1952 🔗

And I would agree on that key point. I would disagree with the idea that long term effects are known (probably). At least, as a layman, I don’t know how that conclusion is drawn from a novel vaccine based on new technology. As you say, it’s about informing people, so I’d like to see information on that specific aspect.

289469 ▶▶▶▶▶ guy153, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 5, #568 of 1952 🔗

Long term effects are definitely not known. Because as you say it’s both a novel virus and novel vaccine technologies.

But we can make a reasonable guess, and mine is that it will be fine. As will Covid.

I base this on the fact that although SARS2 is a “novel” virus it’s not that much different from many other ones we have evolved to deal with over millions of years, most of which do not cause weird long-term effects.

The vaccines in different ways just simulate parts of the virus. Either they’re injecting you with some RNA from the virus, or a protein from the virus, or the whole virus only deactivated, or the RNA inside another virus. It’s all similar to what you would be exposed to from an actual infection– that’s how they work. That is the basis for saying it’s probably OK.

Yes there are certainly unknowns however, and the immune system is complex, so the only way you really know for sure is just to wait and see. And I think that’s a very reasonable course of action.

There are some adjuvants and other things in those vaccines too and these may cause problems, but most of them have been used before.

289524 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Freecumbria, replying to guy153, 1, #569 of 1952 🔗

Great input as always on the vaccine. Thanks.

289295 ▶▶▶ Biker, replying to BeBopRockSteady, -1, #570 of 1952 🔗

i read that twice and the second time was ten time more bollocks than the first

289410 ▶▶▶ Bella Donna, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 4, #571 of 1952 🔗

I’m not anti vax. I have had all the normal vaccines as a child including TB. TB and Smallpox are a damned sight more dangerous than this Virus but our government were allowing people in from high risk countries and there was no public health controls. I will refuse to be vaccinated.

289435 ▶▶▶▶ Victoria, replying to Bella Donna, 3, #572 of 1952 🔗

Pro Choice and informed decision

289214 karenovirus, replying to karenovirus, 4, #573 of 1952 🔗

Government bod on the Today Programme
‘People in top priority groups who don’t get their shot straight away should not worry because it will be available to them all if not in January then February or March at the latest . . . ‘

289365 ▶▶ wendy, replying to karenovirus, 6, #574 of 1952 🔗

… or April, or May or the whole thing might collapse!!! My friend who is a nurse in Australia says Aus is not going to use the Pfizer vaccination and she is very worried about the vaccines

289223 BeBopRockSteady, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 2, #575 of 1952 🔗

“The results showed a positive association between COVID-19 deaths and IVR of people ≥65 years-old. There is a significant increase in COVID-19 deaths from eastern to western regions in the world. Further exploration is needed to explain these findings, and additional work on this line of research may lead to prevention of deaths associated with COVID-19.”

https://peerj.com/articles/10112/

Nothing to see here

289254 ▶▶ calchas, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 3, #576 of 1952 🔗

IVR = influenza vaccination rates.

I like how the Party prefaces the paper with propaganda.

They say – correctly – that correlation isn’t causation, and give us the example of ice cream sales correlated with murders in cities.

The difference with positive association between COVID-19 deaths and IVR of people ≥65 years-old is that we have a plausible and possible causal mechanism which can explain the positive association.

289231 concrete68, replying to concrete68, 26, #577 of 1952 🔗

I took down some large covid bollocks ( social distancing on footpaths, sanitising after touching styles) notices on the top of the South Downs at the weekend. Really quite pointless littering, even if you believed this stuff would you need reminding at the top a hill? It also suggest we need to keep English nature staff safe, in all my time I have never seen an English nature warden and if they are out putting up notices it’s a bit self defeating. Anyway my point is should I stop pulling down these notices and start to deface them with a message?

My current thought would be one word FREEDOM. Spayed in red paint to start to get an alternative message over?

289331 ▶▶ Jonathan Palmer, replying to concrete68, 7, #578 of 1952 🔗

The 80s Sci fi Series V had the visitors propaganda posters defaced with a large V for victory.Something along those lines is needed.

290909 ▶▶ Judy Watson, replying to concrete68, #579 of 1952 🔗

Well done you. If nly more people would do the same.

289236 Cecil B, replying to Cecil B, 25, #580 of 1952 🔗

If any of you thought you saw images of a Sikh protest in London yesterday

You didn’t

If you thought you saw images of vehicles abandoned in the street and central London gridlocked

You didn’t

It’s gone down the memory hole at the BBC

It never existed. You never saw it.

It is erased from your memory

289257 ▶▶ Hieronimusb, replying to Cecil B, 16, #581 of 1952 🔗

Puts paid to the old adage: Sikh and ye shall find?

289456 ▶▶▶ Hieronimusb, replying to Hieronimusb, 1, #582 of 1952 🔗

More good clean fun to be had, of course, with the name of their homeland – Punjab – for those who like a needle in the jest.

289326 ▶▶ mattghg, replying to Cecil B, 2, #583 of 1952 🔗

doublethink

290103 ▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Cecil B, #584 of 1952 🔗

It’s gone down the memory hole of the entire MSM.

Those hundreds of non-Sikhs stuck accidentally in the London gridlock were clearly imagining it.

290519 ▶▶ richard riewer, replying to Cecil B, #585 of 1952 🔗

Thank you BBC!

289237 calchas, replying to calchas, 12, #586 of 1952 🔗

“The 2009 H1N1 influenza pandemic left a troubling legacy in Europe: More than 1300 people who received a vaccine to prevent the flu developed narcolepsy, an incurable, debilitating condition that causes overpowering daytime sleepiness, sometimes accompanied by a sudden muscle weakness in response to strong emotions such as laughter or anger. The manufacturer, GlaxoSmithKline (GSK), has acknowledged the link, and some patients and their families have already been awarded cpmpensation. But how the vaccine might have triggered the condition has been unclear.”

https://www.sciencemag.org/news/2015/07/why-pandemic-flu-shot-caused-narcolepsy

289301 ▶▶ Victoria, replying to calchas, 7, #587 of 1952 🔗

Never think that getting a payout for vaccine damage will be easy or even achievable.

The Government fought tooth and nail not to pay for the swine flu vaccine damage –> Narcolepsy (permanent damage to the brain)

https://www.narcolepsy.org.uk/resources/pandemrix-narcolepsy

Ministers lose fight to stop payments over swine flu jab narcolepsy cases (9/2/2017)

Dozens of children who developed sleep disorder after getting the vaccine could get compensation after high court ruling

https://www.theguardian.com/science/2017/feb/09/ministers-lose-fight-to-stop-payouts-in-swine-flu-jab-narcolepsy-cases

Also
UK buys 60m face masks as new cases of swine flu emerge (30/4/2009)
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2009/apr/30/swine-flu-uk-masks-antiviral-drugs

Also
Book: The Great Bird Flu Hoax by Dr Joseph Mercola
“You’ve heard the frightening warnings in the news: a new avian super-flu of epic proportions is coming. They say it could kill nearly two million Americans – the bird flu!
In clear and engaging language, Dr. Mercola’s book, The Great Bird Flu Hoax , debunks the myths and reveals the truth behind one of the greatest health deceptions ever to come along.

In this book, you’ll discover:

  • The truth: there is no coming bird flu pandemic.
  • How the government raises false health alarms to draw attention away from the REAL public health and safety issues they actually perpetuate.
  • Why and how sustainable and responsible farming is part of the answer to your health and welfare.

Important steps to keeping your immune system strong (so your own body naturally fights against any invading viruses) are also included in this must-have book.”

http://www.greatbirdfluhoax.com

289340 ▶▶▶ kh1485, replying to Victoria, 6, #588 of 1952 🔗

Exactly. And as I said the other day, those who were given infected blood products back in the 80s are still having to fight for reparation.

289245 PatrickF, replying to PatrickF, 8, #589 of 1952 🔗

Help! My Covid vaccination Certificate was stolen by a masked robber.
How many million will be in the Police line-up?

289248 ▶▶ steve_w, replying to PatrickF, 4, #590 of 1952 🔗

I probably had covid at the march peak when they weren’t testing. I’m not bothering with a vaccine

289334 ▶▶▶ 6097 Smith W, replying to steve_w, #591 of 1952 🔗

you won’t get a choice

289352 ▶▶▶▶ steve_w, replying to 6097 Smith W, 1, #592 of 1952 🔗

I cant take it because of my other medications anyway

289414 ▶▶▶▶▶ Banjones, replying to steve_w, 1, #593 of 1952 🔗

Tell us what you take so that we can get some of it. Whether or not we need it!

289578 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Evoluon, replying to Banjones, 2, #594 of 1952 🔗

There must be thousands like me who have to take other life saving drugs. There has been no testing for contraindications according to the official guidance on the covid vaccine. Are we exempt? Not that I’d have taken it anyway

289247 l835, replying to l835, 7, #595 of 1952 🔗

On eBay. Kids Christmas present sorted.

289296 ▶▶ Ned of the Hills, replying to l835, 2, #596 of 1952 🔗

Lovely. As I tap no one qualifies. But as the year progresses more and more will claim they do. Restrictions are surely going to break down. (Or perhaps they’ll institute a hefty £10,000 fine for wearing one without the certification.)

289396 ▶▶ arfurmo, replying to l835, 1, #597 of 1952 🔗

There’s an opportunity -t shirts, hoodies, beanie hats, tabards, courier bags.

289723 ▶▶ Ben, replying to l835, 1, #598 of 1952 🔗

Isn’t this just doing what our rulers want?

290905 ▶▶ richard riewer, replying to l835, #599 of 1952 🔗

Best present ever!

289249 Cecil B, 5, #600 of 1952 🔗

Where have all the young girls gone?
Long time passing
Where have all the young girls gone?
Long time ago
Where have all the young girls gone?
Gone to sterilisation clinics every one
When will they ever learn?
When will they ever learn?

Apologies to Joan Baez

289253 Jonathan Palmer, replying to Jonathan Palmer, 20, #601 of 1952 🔗

So another conspiracy coming true.The prototype health passport.First its a card,but that can be forged.Next it will be a digital passport that can be scanned,a bit like the Q codes we have been accustomed to using.There will be ways around that but don’t worry Bill Gates is working on a embedded tattoo that can be scanned on entry to public life.
I wonder if Toby still thinks this is all down to the incompetence of the government.

289259 ▶▶ l835, replying to Jonathan Palmer, 7, #602 of 1952 🔗

Wouldn’t worry about it too much. The government will dismiss the amount of fake certificates as minimal, and by the time they get round to digital passports the next pandemic will have us locked down anyway.

289280 ▶▶▶ calchas, replying to l835, 2, #603 of 1952 🔗

Yes, we are apparently enetering an ‘Age of Pandemics’ according to many establishment mouthpieces:

https://www.politico.eu/article/virus-hunter-peter-piot-age-of-pandemics/

289303 ▶▶▶ Jonathan Palmer, replying to l835, 10, #604 of 1952 🔗

The one Bill Gates promised us with a evil smirk

289446 ▶▶ A. Contrarian, replying to Jonathan Palmer, 3, #605 of 1952 🔗

Hoefully it will go the way of the world-beating app and the QR code system, which seem to have all but disappeared.

289508 ▶▶▶ Jonathan Palmer, replying to A. Contrarian, 1, #606 of 1952 🔗

They were just conditioning exercises for the real thing.They want us all tracked and traced.I went to a restaurant yesterday.There was a temperature check that was suspiciously like the Chinese system of surveillance.
You stood in front of a video monitor and it scanned you.

290119 ▶▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Jonathan Palmer, #607 of 1952 🔗

I hope you stuck your tongue out at it.

289255 Stuart, replying to Stuart, 10, #608 of 1952 🔗

What’s the difference between the vaccine and Matt Hancock…nowt, they’re both just little pricks

290121 ▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Stuart, 1, #609 of 1952 🔗

Evil little pricks!

289426 ▶▶ karenovirus, replying to steve_w, #611 of 1952 🔗

Good movie that Google and Windows helped me steal a copy off t’internet.

290128 ▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to steve_w, #612 of 1952 🔗

A character who lives in opulent wealth whilst the world is crumbling around him is asked “How can you live like this?” and he replies “I just don’t think about it.”

289284 Stuart, replying to Stuart, 1, #613 of 1952 🔗

This blog is turning pinko. I’m joining the Covid Rejectionists.

Hardline.

289373 ▶▶ Bella Donna, replying to Stuart, 9, #614 of 1952 🔗

I disagree . We should all support this webpage Stuart, it’s been an Oasis in the midst of 1984 Madness. I don’t think you appreciate the pressure people like Toby are under from the Woke Cancel Nutters. Watch the video from Freedom of Speech Union below.

289397 ▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to Bella Donna, 1, #615 of 1952 🔗

What has it achieved though apart from people having a moan?

289409 ▶▶▶▶ Banjones, replying to JohnB, 13, #616 of 1952 🔗

It’s given us the opportunity of seeing that we’re not alone, which has been a great relief on dark days, and to exchange different views about this horrendous situation. Perhaps we should cut Toby a little slack so that he can regroup, if indeed he has been leaned on.

289593 ▶▶▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to Banjones, #617 of 1952 🔗

If Toby was going to do something major with this he’d have done it by now. The guy must be snowed under with the FSU, his job, his family life, etc.

This is why we ourselves on here needed to take action but too many are just happy to post in the comments each day on here but not actually take any responsibility create something bigger. We’ve lost people on here who have tried to do it, but there are just too many individuals who’d rather make themselves try and look clever with their posts on here rather than coming together as a community and actually taking some action.

290307 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to JohnB, #618 of 1952 🔗

It’s a fantastic information nexus, skipper. Plus a valuable communication resource for people of like minds.

For local group actions, protests, demos, campaigns, there are keepbritainfree, saveourrights, standupX, freedomnetwork, etc.

289415 ▶▶▶▶ Charlie Blue, replying to JohnB, 10, #619 of 1952 🔗

Many more people read the updates atl than comment below it. I think it has been a fantastic source of information that is ignored by MSM and I have read, watched and listened to so much that I would never have had the time or knowledge to find for myself. I’m sure that is true for many others.

289465 ▶▶▶▶▶ Alice, replying to Charlie Blue, 6, #620 of 1952 🔗

Oh, yes, very true – Toby and Co. (and those who post on this board) provide enormous wealth of information, all in one place. I don’t think I’ll be able to find it all myself.

289595 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to Alice, #621 of 1952 🔗

They do, but we need to unite as a community and back them up.

289582 ▶▶▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to Charlie Blue, #622 of 1952 🔗

Do they really though? If I was to go back 6 months I would say that there are really only comments from 100-200 people on here during a week and a lot are from the same people with more than one account, and there’s definitely a lot more bot content on here than there was originally, so really you’re only looking at 100 real people who actually post on here.

289471 ▶▶▶▶ Cotton, replying to JohnB, 8, #623 of 1952 🔗

I’ve met a number of people through this blog there’s no chance I would have met. I’ve attended demos and read information there’s no chance I would have known about. For some people this blog is a useful outlet but for many people it’s just useful.

289570 ▶▶▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to Cotton, #624 of 1952 🔗

But it hasn’t really achieved anything, I remember making the suggestion a couple of months after the site started that we now had over 2,000 people on here and that we should get organised as a group so that we can take more action. Really it’s just keyboard warriors on here, lots to say but very little real action.

289599 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Hieronimusb, replying to JohnB, 2, #625 of 1952 🔗

Disagree, many of us have attended protests and take every opportunity to spread the word. We need any voice that dissents; none are likely to be perfect or have individually demonstrable results but all contribute to the counter narrative and are necessary to keep that voice alive. Real action, as you put it, needs discussion and the sharing of ideas for its genesis.

290332 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to JohnB, 1, #626 of 1952 🔗

But it hasn’t really achieved anything,

Tish.

I remember making the suggestion a couple of months after the site started that we now had over 2,000 people on here and that we should get organised as a group so that we can take more action.

Great idea. What/how/when ?

Really it’s just keyboard warriors on here, lots to say but very little real action.

I disagree – but surely you know how much you sound like a keyboard warrior, skip ?

289289 Biker, replying to Biker, 30, #627 of 1952 🔗

Just think this vaccine has been around less time than it take a woman to make a baby. What woman in their right mind would take this? The people saying we should take the vaccine are insane dangerous people. Again the vaccine can’t be known to be safe, how can it? jesus the damage to young woman from this could be massive. I know some of the dullards on here think this isn’t some conspiracy but here we have people wanting to force a vaccine on the public that hasn’t even been gestating as long as it takes to make a baby so how can it not be a conspiracy ? If i were a mad global citizen wanting to reduce population how would i do it? I wouldn’t kill everyone, it would be messy and unpleasant, i know communists like killing but it would take forever, no i’d make woman sterile. How can anyone say with any certainty at all this vaccine won’t make woman sterile? They fucking can’t.
I feel it’s a crime worthy of Nuremberg.
Total resistance and non compliance are what is needed. If you’re wearing a lanyard saying exempt take the fucking thing off. Any time you’re talking with a mask ask them the baby question and see how they can square this obvious danger. Go right back to normal now and don’t stress about it, know that you are fighting back because as it stands there will be blood on the streets up to our fucking knees before this shit is done with. I’d rather see the total destruction of everything i know and love than capitulate and cower in the fucking corner to such mediocre people as the likes of that fat clown Johnstone and the vile Sturgeon (can i call her that up here in shitty Scotland?) I’m pretty sure she’s trying to pass laws that say i can’t.

289294 ▶▶ Jonathan Palmer, replying to Biker, 11, #628 of 1952 🔗

I wonder how the abortionists are going to Square a woman’s right to choose with a mandatory in all but name vaccine.I think we are going to see a lot of doublethink in action.

289324 ▶▶▶ 6097 Smith W, replying to Jonathan Palmer, 5, #629 of 1952 🔗

Oh, they won’t have a problem. Doublethink means the power of holding two contradictory beliefs in one’s mind simultaneously, and accepting both of them.

289351 ▶▶▶▶ Jonathan Palmer, replying to 6097 Smith W, 3, #630 of 1952 🔗

If it wasn’t so serious it would be fun to watch the mental gymnastics.Having said that that’s assuming there will be any debate on the vaccine rollout.

289359 ▶▶ Biker, replying to Biker, 5, #631 of 1952 🔗

i should have added that not only are they insane dangerous people they also have all the guns. They can and will make you do what they want. How long till there is a Ghetto for the non vaccinated? In the interests of community safety they’ll need to round up the non vaxxxed and put them somewhere. I’ve seen the film of people rounded up and put in Ghettos and all you need are guns and people who think there is something evil, a threat to them and they’re lining up to be part of it. The west was the last free place on the earth but it’s got to go. It’s all being done though because of Carbon. too many people too much pollution, both are being cut.

289371 ▶▶ kh1485, replying to Biker, 3, #632 of 1952 🔗

What woman in her right mind would take any drugs that are deemed essential for her in the brave new world of BigPharma.

289406 ▶▶ Banjones, replying to Biker, 3, #633 of 1952 🔗

There’s always the possibility that the vaccine has been ‘gestating’ for a long time, much longer than this nine months.
Or does that fall into the ‘conspiracy theory’ bracket?

289422 ▶▶▶ Mike, replying to Banjones, 4, #634 of 1952 🔗

I suspect you are right with that assumption. They’ve just needed a reason to roll it out.

289537 ▶▶▶ Jo Dominich -, replying to Banjones, 9, #635 of 1952 🔗

I don’t know if anyone here remembers a few years ago with the publication of DSM V – the American Psychiatric Association’s Diagnostic and Statistical Manual – the essential diagnostics manual for mental illnesses for Psychiatrists which has been around for years. Well, it was always believed that the Board of the APA was comprised mainly of Doctors, Psychiatrists and related professionals with reps from Big Pharma being less than a handful. DSM V had to be pulled from publication at the last minute because a Whistleblower told the truth. In fact, the Board is made up of mainly Big Pharma personnel with only a handful of Doctors and Psychiatrists. In the new DSM they had created new mental illnesses including Bereavement (which is a normal human condition) as being an illness for which, hey presto, it just so happens Big Pharma had developed a new drug which they wanted to market. There were quite a few ‘new’ psychiatric illnesses. Apparently, this has been the same for years. Big Pharma develop drugs and then a new ‘disorder’ is created for the marketing and use of these drugs.

I’m also thinking of ‘disorders’ such as the fictional SAD and others that have been foisted on us over the years. In other words, most of us are not mentally ill as such, rather, just struggling at periods in their life to cope with the major stresses of life, which affect us all. Most are just a human reaction to a trauma or emotional crisis no more no less. Extreme psychiatric disorders such as Chronic and acute depression, Bi-polar, Psychotic delusions and Schizophrenia (the four main ones) are only prevalent in a tiny percentage of the population. All of course, ‘managed’ by industrial levels of prescription of psychotropic drugs which get increased and increased. They more often than not result in Parkinsons, hair loss, teeth loss and other serious side effects. They also severely damage kidneys. Drugs as a form of managing day to day depression, anxiety, emotional trauma have little or no efficacy. In fact, the psychotropic drugs are only 30% effective and that is in the short term. After that, they have no effect at all or little to no effect.

Aside from the USA I think I am right in saying our GPs prescribe record levels of medications for even minor ailments compared to most other countries in the world. They do of course, as is widely known, receive significant financial inducements to do so in particular, Statins, which is generating billions of dollars for big pharma without having any real clinical efficacy. Statins are very dangerous drugs their function is to knock out your liver’s function major side effects include severe muscle cramping, memory loss (because your brain takes and needs 40% of your body’s cholestorol) and severe nausea and dizziness. Some years ago I assessed 180 people who had memory loss or coginitive problems. Of those 180 only 2 were not on Statins. If you look at the levels of Dementia in this country, or at least, if someonedid an in-depth study over 5 years I think they would find that the majority of people with memory loss or dementia were on Statins. If you want to read more about it then I suggest Zoe Harcombe and Dr Malcolm Kenrick’s excellent articles and books.

So, same old as now, big pharma create a drug which is not needed and which has serious side effects and, in my view, create a far bigger and life changing medical condition.

289420 ▶▶ Mike, replying to Biker, 3, #636 of 1952 🔗

“What woman in their right mind would take this? ”, the same women who won’t drink a coffee because the caffeine may impact on the developing baby, but will happily take a flu and DTaP jab without batting an eye.

289436 ▶▶ Tyneside Tigress, replying to Biker, 6, #637 of 1952 🔗

Nobody under 70, unless they have a serious/severe underlying health condition that cannot be otherwise managed (obesity, and ergo, type II diabetes) should be taking this or the Oxford/AZ vaccine. Not only have Phases I-III clinical trials been condensed from the normal 10 years into less than 6 months (the Pfizer Phase I trial was in July), but the pre-clinical animal trials that normally take 2 years, to allow for life cycle toxicity/side effects assessment, have been skipped completely. This could all go very badly wrong. The government cannot say it wasn’t warned.

289575 ▶▶▶ RickH, replying to Tyneside Tigress, 3, #638 of 1952 🔗

Nobody under 70, unless they have a serious/severe underlying health condition that cannot be otherwise managed (obesity, and ergo, type II diabetes) should be taking this …”

Hang on. If you’re vulnerable (70+ with health problems), I reckon that you should be even more cautious about accepting a concoction with unknown consequences!

289290 Harry hopkins, replying to Harry hopkins, 8, #639 of 1952 🔗

Is it just me?…or is this blog going easy on the vaccine roll out?

289308 ▶▶ Steeve, replying to Harry hopkins, #640 of 1952 🔗

How do you see the vaccine roll out Harry?

289319 ▶▶▶ Jonathan Palmer, replying to Steeve, 6, #641 of 1952 🔗

My friends wife is a carer and she has already been told no jab no work

289337 ▶▶▶▶ Steeve, replying to Jonathan Palmer, 1, #642 of 1952 🔗

What sector does she work in?

289343 ▶▶▶▶▶ Jonathan Palmer, replying to Steeve, 2, #643 of 1952 🔗

A home carer for elderly people

289362 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Steeve, replying to Jonathan Palmer, #644 of 1952 🔗

How does she feel about having the ‘jab’? Obviously pressured!

289379 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Steve Martindale, replying to Steeve, 9, #645 of 1952 🔗

Care workers are leaving;
https://www.nursingdirect.co.uk/news/news/the-social-care-sector-is-finding-things-difficult-with-nurse-churning
Can they afford to throw out staff who will not have the vaccine? if they do how does that go with an employment tribunal?

289494 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Jonathan Palmer, replying to Steeve, #646 of 1952 🔗

No my friend said she is onboard with a lot of the Covid rubbish.

289392 ▶▶▶▶ Sarigan, replying to Jonathan Palmer, 11, #647 of 1952 🔗

I would recommend getting some legal advice as that is discrimination. Your friend’s wife could reject vaccination for a number of ethical, religious or health reasons other than just not wanting it.

No jab, no job – meet my lawyer.

289492 ▶▶▶▶▶ Jo Dominich -, replying to Sarigan, #648 of 1952 🔗
  • These carers need to remember it is not mandatory so they can’t be forced to take it. Especially if like us on here, they are deeply concerned about the lack of proper research, the rushed through process in the UK and the fact that Pfizer won’t be publishing any data until 2022. Also the Oxford/AstraZeneca vaccine is positively dangerous and is highly unlikely to be licenced by the FDA in the USA. I’d say no to it it’s too dangerous to have it.
290906 ▶▶▶▶▶ richard riewer, replying to Sarigan, #649 of 1952 🔗

Sue Sue Sue.

289336 ▶▶▶ Harry hopkins, replying to Steeve, 18, #650 of 1952 🔗

It’s all bollocks—to use a very scientific turn of phrase. If it’s a placebo (of which we will never know!) then what’s the point? If it’s not, then it’s a totally unproven jab of chemicals for a disease that hasn’t as yet been isolated and if it exists is no more dangerous than seasonal flu.
This whole shit show, for those who haven’t yet cottoned on, is not so much about disease prevention but more about a fundamental change in society and control of the masses.

289429 ▶▶▶▶ Steeve, replying to Harry hopkins, 1, #651 of 1952 🔗

Vey well tesculated!

289309 ▶▶ gina, replying to Harry hopkins, 6, #652 of 1952 🔗

I think its this editor/writer. Jonathan Barr seems to lack the incisive bite that Will and Toby have. Disappointing.

289408 ▶▶▶ Steve Martindale, replying to gina, 10, #653 of 1952 🔗

It is not easy to be sceptical given all the Covid zealot propaganda. Certainly my views and thoughts on this have hardened over the months but even now I wince at some of the views on this site.
But personally I have one clear objective in mind, ‘rescind all corona-virus legislation and move back to running Public Health in a normal manner with guidelines, consensus, cooperation and collaboration, no more public health by legal dictats and authoritarianism.
Whatever people say, whether strong opinions or mild opinions, if they are on board for helping achieve my objective they are OK by me.

289458 ▶▶▶▶ gina, replying to Steve Martindale, 2, #654 of 1952 🔗

Good for you!
My expectation of an editor/writer for a skeptics site is that they will find it easy to express skeptical opinions and argue with passion and vigour – take the role of leading from the front, so to speak.

289316 ▶▶ Jonathan Palmer, replying to Harry hopkins, 11, #655 of 1952 🔗

It seemed to a public information broadcast.Maybe it’s been sponsored by HMG or the Bill & Melinda Gates foundation.
I cannot believe that there is not more pushback against an experimental vaccine for a not very dangerous virus.

289398 ▶▶▶ Banjones, replying to Jonathan Palmer, 5, #656 of 1952 🔗

I agree. When I first read it, I thought it seemed to lack its usual uplifting scepticism. Do you think they’ve been leaned on more heavily than usual?

289325 ▶▶ wendy, replying to Harry hopkins, 15, #657 of 1952 🔗

I have that feeling too but wonder if there might be a concern that lockdown sceptics doesn’t get labelled as anti vaccine as it might be counter productive or even taken down?

I went to the Manchester anti lockdown protest yesterday with the hope people gathering can show the growing unrest and disillusionment with the COVID measures but the Manchester Evening News and Pat Carney local councillor have called the protesters conspiracy theorists and anti Vaxers. Initially the protesters were discredited as right wing, now as nutters.

I don’t know how we turn this around.

289353 ▶▶▶ Bella Donna, replying to wendy, 2, #658 of 1952 🔗

He has to be shown to be giving a balanced view or he’ll be a target for the Cancel Mob.

289357 ▶▶▶ Noumenon, replying to wendy, 8, #659 of 1952 🔗

Even the smallest efforts and remarks amongst friends who differ in opinion will eventually turn the tide. This is not a new phenomenon, it is not events of 2020 that need reversing, it is decades of the subjugation of people to the mass that we are against.

289412 ▶▶▶ Thomas_E, replying to wendy, 9, #660 of 1952 🔗

The only way we turn this around is with bigger numbers on these protests. It; very easy calling a couple of hundreds or even thousand people ant vaxxers and nutters, when you have a couple of hundred thousand, or half a milion…Then they are fucked.

289952 ▶▶▶▶ Hieronimusb, replying to Thomas_E, #661 of 1952 🔗

Absolutely, been saying it for 10 years.

289434 ▶▶▶ nottingham69, replying to wendy, 4, #662 of 1952 🔗

That shows to me there is more concern in the powers that be. Very much fake news to call that crowd yesterday nutters, first event I have been to and to be honest I was expecting nutters and troublemakers and saw nothing of the sort, nor did the Police. Yes I would have liked to see bigger numbers but the passers by seemed generally supportive so it was a positive day.

What a left wing rag and far left-councillor say I care not a jot. They are promoting policy based on lies that will damage their City. That is nuts to me.

289475 ▶▶▶ Jonathan Smith, replying to wendy, 1, #663 of 1952 🔗

There’s a big discussion among us to be had about the best ways to turn around public opinion. We need the equivalent of SAGE psychologists working in the other direction. There’s a mountain of fear counter.

A few of us from the protest yesterday are going to leaflet and sticker our localities with those plain facts in proportion leaflets that were distributed in Manchester yesterday. The two questions that are always missing in MSM reports are: Compared to what? And Compared to when? Get people used to applying those questions and suddenly the numbers don’t look so scary.

289496 ▶▶ Seansaighdeoir, replying to Harry hopkins, 1, #664 of 1952 🔗

No its not you. The editorials in the last few days have praised the ‘medical breakthrough’ of producing the saving vaccine so quickly without really questioning how or why, lauded Bill Wragg’s for his denunciation of ‘conspiracy theories’ and generally appears to accept the narrative.

289526 ▶▶ MiriamW-sometimes-AlanG, replying to Harry hopkins, 5, #665 of 1952 🔗

This is what I wrote to Toby Young 4 days ago. (No reply as yet)

Hi Toby

You appear to have delegated the writing of your usually steady and often excellent blog to somebody who doesn’t fully understand the raison d’etre. My annotations on this extract from today’s lead story illustrate my concern:-

“This is a medical breakthrough(1) and, on the face of it, good news(2). Nonetheless, many Briton’s are not yet convinced that the vaccine is safe.(3) MailOnline has more :

One fifth of Britons are still unsure the Pfizer vaccine is safe while two thirds said Health Secretary Hancock should be given the jab live on air, according to a new survey by YouGov. Researchers asked more than 5,000 adults in Britain how confident they were that the new Pfizer vaccine is safe. In response, 20% of those asked said they were either not confident at all or not very confident that the vaccine would be safe. Just over a quarter, 27% of people said they are “very confident” it will be safe while 43% said they are “somewhat confident”.

Sceptics must be careful(4) to avoid excessive application of the precautionary principle here.(5) Of course, it hasn’t been definitively proved that the vaccine is safe.(6) But then again, it can’t be proved, categorically, that it would be safe to end all Government-mandated restrictions tomorrow and we don’t regard that as a good reason not to do so.(7) It’s about a balance of risk and we should apply that same calculus here. Provided it is left entirely up to the individual about whether to take the vaccine or not, and no efforts are made to compel people to take it, either directly or indirectly, we welcome it.”(8)

(1) A political decision has been taken to approve the mass vaccination of the UK population using a novel and experimental formulation whose efficacy and safety is as yet essentially unkown. This does not constitute a medical breakthrough for anyone with half a brain never mind a sceptical disposition. Even the propaganda merchants at the BBC recognise that the approval process for new vaccines normally takes 10 years. The membership of the organisation which has given such premature approval is absolutely not independent of both commercial and Government interests and influence.

(2) The actual news for us sceptics is that the administration of this vaccine will not necessarily lead to the relaxation of restrictions unless of course the latter is made conditional on the former as has been mooted publicly by Government and advisors. This is not good news for anyone except the brainwashed.

(3) This sentiment could have been lifted from the BBC itself: the idea that this vaccine could be honestly described as ‘safe’ is, objectively speaking, actually a chimera and the Government itself is expecting ‘a high volume of adverse drug reactions’ according to the MHRA (the same MHRA that has just approved the vaccine as effective and safe). Your blog says ‘not yet convinced’, the Mail says ‘still unsure’ as if the desirability of universal belief in the safety of this experimental drug should be taken for granted. What specious rubbish! (At least the Mail writer understands apostrophes. Sorry, couldn’t resist.)

(4) The use of the word ‘must’ in connection with our behaviour may be appropriate to the law, even in the Highway Code, but is surely out of place on your blog. Please can your writer try to sound a bit less like a Government spokesperson telling us the rules?

(5) This makes no sense unless the writer is encouraging a more relaxed attitude to the taking of the vaccine than is warranted by the facts. The precautionary principle has already been abandoned on our behalf by the producers and promoters of the vaccine (eg. by shrinking a 10/15 year process down to 9 months and ignoring the usual protocols to do so). Why then should we be thinking in terms of avoiding ‘excessive application’ of this principle for ourselves?

(6) Your writer is setting up a false comparison by first proposing the impossible. No vaccines are ‘definitively proved’ to be ‘safe’ however beneficial they generally may be; the onset of an adverse drug reaction can never be ruled out and it is dishonest to imply that this could ever be the case.

to be continued…..

289529 ▶▶▶ MiriamW-sometimes-AlanG, replying to MiriamW-sometimes-AlanG, 6, #666 of 1952 🔗

….

(7) Comparing one logical fallacy with another of a different kind has never made for good argument for anything. Of course all the normal prior agreed standards and stages for vaccine approval, if followed, would enable an informed judgement to be made by any indiviual on whether to take it or not. We (in theory) make that decision from a position of (unvaccinated) freedom. Sadly, apart from the few very brave public campaigners and resistors, it is not in the gift of individuals to choose whether or not to obey Government-mandated restrictions – they are mandated by the Government and we find ourselves burdened by them and wishing ourselves free of them without false argument or caveat. We know that whether some fool somewhere thinks we should remain locked down for the sake of ‘safety’ is neither here nor there. That’s what makes us ‘lockdown sceptics’. Not so sure about your writer on this evidence.

(8) ‘We welcome it’ Really? The conditions evoked by ‘Provided…’ ignore the overwhelming evidence that what your writer is hoping to take for granted will not in fact be the case. It is clear that various forms of coercion to submit to this treatment are currently on the stocks, including the threat of exclusion from places and/or activities, (from healthcare?) and the use of behavioural science to manipulate compliance. Of more relevance to Lockdown Sceptics, surely, is the threat of a continuation of lockdown [see (2) above]. Meanwhile all print and broadcast media and social media platforms will be working to push the Government line which is ‘we welcome it’. That rings a bell.

Much of the rest of his piece is good enough, which makes that bit look particularly aberrant. I’m concerned also by yet another mention of the idea that the politicians and advisors could be vaccinated first in order to reassure the public. If I were in their shoes I would happily accept a shot of saline solution for the sake of successful grandstanding….

Can I suggest that you consider the Government’s vaccine programme in conjunction with the lockdowns that you’ve hitherto consistently and vigorously opposed? The two policies are joined at the hip, the one sustains the other. Promoting lockdown scepticism without at least querying the CV19 vaccine makes no sense; there is a danger that your advocacy of the first on its own could lead you into a compromised position on the second. Just a thought.

I do have one more particular beef:

The ‘Postcard from New Zealand’ is a travesty. What is it doing on the ‘Lockdown Sceptics’ blog? Please remove it!

Best wishes

Alan

289827 ▶▶ Ceriain, replying to Harry hopkins, 2, #667 of 1952 🔗

I hope not, but I’ve been very suspicious of Jonathan Barr’s articles since he’s been writing here.

289306 kf99, 12, #668 of 1952 🔗

Football suggestion

Each match should be proceeded by a brief ceremony to honour the “Brits who Loath Masks Matter” movement. To be accompanied by a rousing chorus of “Abide Without Mask”.

289321 Hieronimusb, replying to Hieronimusb, 20, #669 of 1952 🔗

Worth remembering that the MHRA are about as trustworthy as the BBC. They are staffed by ex big pharma stooges and have been demonstrably guilty of malfeasance on a number of occasions including the falsification of vaccine safety data (Cervarix HPV). The banning of GcMAF is another example. They’re bought and paid for, like so many others.

289349 ▶▶ Bella Donna, replying to Hieronimusb, 6, #670 of 1952 🔗

They are not independent, like everything else in this country nothing is really as it seems.

I’m really concerned about the HPV vaccine and wonder what the real motive for it is.

289399 ▶▶▶ Hieronimusb, replying to Bella Donna, #671 of 1952 🔗

The real motive is the same as always: financial gain.

289483 ▶▶▶▶ Hieronimusb, replying to Hieronimusb, #672 of 1952 🔗

PS They’re certainly independently wealthy!

289322 Stuart, 12, #673 of 1952 🔗

Covid Rejectionists.

Question everything. Disbelieve everything. Refute everything.

289329 Cheezilla, replying to Cheezilla, 16, #674 of 1952 🔗

John Ward sums it up in a nutshell:

These are the key facts about the Pfizer-Biontech product’s assessment under Reg174 at the MRHA:

  • This medicinal product does not have a UK marketing authorisation but has been given authorisation for temporary supply by the UK Department of Health and Social Care
  • It has no approval at all for people aged under 16
  • The administration of COVID-19 mRNA Vaccine BNT162b2 should be postponed in individuals suffering from acute severe febrile illness
  • No interaction or contraindication studies have been performed . In the absence of compatibility studies, this medicinal product must not be mixed with other medicinal products.
  • COVID-19 mRNA Vaccine BNT162b2 is not recommended during pregnancy. For women of childbearing age, pregnancy should be excluded before vaccination
  • It is unknown whether COVID-19 mRNA Vaccine BNT162b2 is excreted in human milk
  • The effects of the vaccine on fertility are unknown
  • Reporting suspected adverse reactions after authorisation of the medicinal product is important. It allows continued monitoring of the benefit/risk balance of the medicinal product. Healthcare professionals are asked to report any suspected adverse reactions via the Coronavirus Yellow Card reporting site https://coronavirus-yellowcard.mhra.gov.uk/

The MHRA was given just five days to study the mRNA Vaccine BNT162b2. Hancock called this “the closest scrutiny”.
Its safety and effectiveness have not been “clearly established”.

Excellent article:
https://therealslog.com/2020/12/03/exclusive-how-health-secretary-matt-hancock-misled-parliament-about-the-pfizer-vaccine/

289341 ▶▶ Noumenon, replying to Cheezilla, 4, #675 of 1952 🔗

In other words, it’s still undergoing testing.

289363 ▶▶▶ George L, replying to Noumenon, 6, #676 of 1952 🔗

Yeah.. to the end of 2022 if I’m correct..

289383 ▶▶▶▶ Banjones, replying to George L, #677 of 1952 🔗

What happens to those of us deemed ”eligible” because of our advanced age and health, if we don’t take up the generous offer of the vaccine?

Will we eventually be put down? Or just sent to the salt mines?

289431 ▶▶▶▶▶ Sam Vimes, replying to Banjones, 2, #678 of 1952 🔗

Put down, AND buried in the salt mines. Can’t fire the ovens up this time, carbon zero and all that.

289661 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ mjr, replying to Sam Vimes, #679 of 1952 🔗

they will classify people as biomass – like they do with north american forests burnt at Drax – so it is counted as green

289551 ▶▶▶▶▶ Suze Burtenshaw, replying to Banjones, #680 of 1952 🔗

Remember Soylent Green? It would mitigate a lot of the need for importing our food, plus would probably please a lot of vegans. Just a thought…;-)

289474 ▶▶▶ Will, replying to Noumenon, 2, #681 of 1952 🔗

Live human challenge trials start tomorrow I believe.. not sure they are necessarily consensual.

289372 ▶▶ Hieronimusb, replying to Cheezilla, 3, #682 of 1952 🔗

John Ward is a hero and has been fighting the good fight longer than most. The Slog is my alma mater but I have somehow been prevented from commenting, after 10 years or so, by strange interferences with my ability to log on. I would recommend reading his contributions to anyone concerned about our direction of travel on a number of subjects.

290907 ▶▶ richard riewer, replying to Cheezilla, #683 of 1952 🔗

Matt Hancock should resign.

289332 Bella Donna, 16, #684 of 1952 🔗

I’ve just been listening to the video at the bottom from Free Speech Union which I recommend.

Toby can I say once again thank you for this haven you have given us sceptics and am now appreciative of all the shit you are now getting from the Left for daring to stand up for freedom and democracy.

289344 nickbowes, replying to nickbowes, 3, #685 of 1952 🔗

Rita Ora ! Covid Sceptic Princess…

could not name one tune by her but she seems alreet to me !

289387 ▶▶ Ed Phillips, replying to nickbowes, 2, #686 of 1952 🔗

She’s shilling for EE and their terrifying normalisation of Virtual Reality.

289354 A. Contrarian, 37, #687 of 1952 🔗

So they’re at it again then.

Go to the shops! Go to the shops! Please go to the shops!

YOU WENT TO THE SHOPS SO NOW WE’VE GOT TO CLOSE THEM AGAIN AND IT’S ALL YOUR FAULT! DON’T GO TO THE SHOPS!!

289355 George L, replying to George L, 6, #688 of 1952 🔗

Tony Blair Institute and Oracle Launch Africa Vaccine Management in the Cloud
Well, well, who’d have thought it eh! Our very own snake oil salesman and war criminal Bliar wants to help out Africa, and is tremendously excited. Don’t those Africans ever learn!

https://www.prnewswire.co.uk/news-releases/tony-blair-institute-and-oracle-launch-africa-vaccine-management-in-the-cloud-828548600.html

289364 ▶▶ sam, replying to George L, 4, #689 of 1952 🔗

yup another one receiving funds from Gates Foundation to his Blair Foundation $17m

289417 ▶▶ G.Fawkes, replying to George L, 2, #690 of 1952 🔗

I remember when he ‘helped’ Iraqis….

289428 ▶▶▶ calchas, replying to G.Fawkes, 5, #691 of 1952 🔗

I remember when he ‘helped’ the UK.

289486 ▶▶▶▶ George L, replying to calchas, 2, #692 of 1952 🔗

Yes.. and look where it got us..

289484 ▶▶▶ George L, replying to G.Fawkes, 1, #693 of 1952 🔗

Yes.. and look where it got them..

290908 ▶▶ richard riewer, replying to George L, #694 of 1952 🔗

They should tie him up and boil him in a large cauldron.

289358 sam, replying to sam, 7, #695 of 1952 🔗

I assume everyone has seen this news?
https://healthandmoneynews.wordpress.com/2020/12/02/head-of-pfizer-research-covid-vaccine-is-female-sterilization/
Dr. Wodarg and Dr. Yeadon request a stop of all corona vaccination studies and call for co-signing the petition
The vaccine contains a spike protein (see image) called syncytin-1 , vital for the formation of human placenta in women. If the vaccine works so that we form an immune response AGAINST the spike protein, we are also training the female body to attack syncytin-1, which could lead to infertility in women of an unspecified duration.

289368 ▶▶ Charlie Blue, replying to sam, 4, #696 of 1952 🔗

Presumably that’s why it’s not recommended for women who are pregnant, wanting to get pregnant, or breast feeding.

289374 ▶▶▶ sam, replying to Charlie Blue, 4, #697 of 1952 🔗

Yes but the unspecified duration could mean life so not for any women of child breaing age unless they want to be streilaised. Oh and it could also sterilise men

289382 ▶▶▶▶ Charlie Blue, replying to sam, 1, #698 of 1952 🔗

What’s the presumed mechanism for sterilising men, Sam? I haven’t read anything about that.

289385 ▶▶▶▶▶ sam, replying to Charlie Blue, 4, #699 of 1952 🔗

After a little research it turns out that Syncytin-1 is also present in sperm, so it’s not only Women that will be steralised but Men as well. https://www.researchgate.net/publication/261257414_Syncytin-1_and_its_receptor_is_present_in_human_gametes

289401 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Charlie Blue, replying to sam, #700 of 1952 🔗

Thanks! That’s interesting.

289427 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Gerry Mandarin, replying to sam, 2, #701 of 1952 🔗

Missus will probably want me to have the vaccine now…

289388 ▶▶▶▶▶ Noumenon, replying to Charlie Blue, 1, #702 of 1952 🔗

It’s essentially the same mechanism. It attacks gamete production (potentially).

289421 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Charlie Blue, replying to Noumenon, #703 of 1952 🔗

Thanks

289602 ▶▶ Mark H, replying to sam, 2, #704 of 1952 🔗

Children of Men predicted this.

290910 ▶▶ richard riewer, replying to sam, #705 of 1952 🔗

So, who is it safe for?

289361 microdave, replying to microdave, 8, #706 of 1952 🔗

The vaccine should be prioritised for the the elderly and health workers

Like this lard bucket?

https://twitter.com/i/status/1335642311921954820

One comment (and the rest are equally scathing):

He’ll need 10 doses to get any benefit

289395 ▶▶ karenovirus, replying to microdave, 2, #707 of 1952 🔗

Bit judgemental MD ?
Nah , second thoughts

289504 ▶▶ MiriamW-sometimes-AlanG, replying to microdave, #708 of 1952 🔗

Do health workers normally wear their hair loose and flopping around everywhere? Very hygienic! It must be OK because she’s got her face-nappy on to talk to the camera, nach. MW

290118 ▶▶ Polemon2, replying to microdave, #709 of 1952 🔗

MRHA/Pfizer say don’t mix vaccine with other medication.
I wonder how many care home residents are NOT on some medication. Not many I suspect.

289366 Banjones, replying to Banjones, 13, #710 of 1952 🔗

Bit of a daft headline ”We’re still nervous”…. All those folk obviously weren’t – but, never mind, it was an excuse for the covid-stasi to tell them not to enjoy themselves.

I don’t believe these polls. I think people will SAY they’re going to obey the ‘roolz’ just in case they’d be dobbed in if they said anything else.

289386 ▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Banjones, 5, #711 of 1952 🔗

hancock said the arrival of the vaccine would release from being under a ‘cloud of fear, so another lie from the lying liar.

289394 sam, 4, #712 of 1952 🔗

https://multimedia.europarl.europa.eu/en/panel-for-future-of-science-and-technology-workshop-on-5g_20201207-1000-SPECIAL-STOA_vd
EU workshop on adverse health effects 5G live now
Hosted by David Gee,Institute of Environment, Health, and Societies, Brunel University, London, UK

289403 Victoria, 10, #713 of 1952 🔗

Reminder to sign this petition

Prevent any restrictions on those who refuse a Covid-19 vaccination

I want the Government to prevent any restrictions being placed on those who refuse to have any potential Covid-19 vaccine. This includes restrictions on travel, social events, such as concerts or sports. No restrictions whatsoever.

298,841 signatures

https://petition.parliament.uk/petitions/323442

289413 Sarigan, replying to Sarigan, 2, #714 of 1952 🔗

With the exception of Greece (very hard early lockdown) and a slight uptick in Spain, many countries within normal excess death range and dropping or flat in all others – https://www.euromomo.eu/graphs-and-maps/

289438 ▶▶ A. Contrarian, replying to Sarigan, #715 of 1952 🔗

But that includes lots of covid deaths, which are worth at least three “normal” deaths.

289553 ▶▶▶ RickH, replying to A. Contrarian, #716 of 1952 🔗

“Only three times?”

289416 Sarigan, 1, #717 of 1952 🔗

You can’t escape the agenda!!

As a member of TTG, we thought you might like to attend the Agenda 2021: For Smarter, Better, Fairer Travel conference this afternoon.

289418 Jonathan Smith, 13, #718 of 1952 🔗

Uncharacteristically, The Guardian gave yesterday’s protest in Manchester a centre-fold spread and bare fact reportage.

This morning on ITV the TV doctor pointed out that that having reservations or raising questions about the Covid vaccine does not make someone an “anti-vaxxer”.

289419 Victoria, replying to Victoria, 20, #719 of 1952 🔗

Add your name to the letter

We, The Undersigned Doctors And Psychologists, Call Upon The Government To Discontinue The Use Of Face Masks For Children And Adults In School And Preschool Settings.

https://usforthem.co.uk/open-letters/stop-masks-in-schools-now/

The Government justified their recommendation for face masks in schools by citing WHO guidance. However, within the same guideline, the WHO states that when authorities recommend masks for children, monitoring and evaluation should be established at the onset. This should include measuring the impact on children’s physical and mental health; reduction in transmission of SARS-CoV-2; secondary impacts on children’s development, learning, school attendance; and impact on children with developmental delays, health conditions, disabilities or other vulnerabilities. UsforThem has submitted FOI requests but neither the Department of Education nor the Department for Health have followed this recommendation. Risk assessments received from individual schools have referred only to potential benefits and have not considered potential harms, mostly quoting advice from Public Health England.

Mask usage in corridors and communal areas in secondary schools was mandated in tier 3 and for all schools during the current 4-week national lockdown, with schools instructed to treat any exemptions with sensitivity. But UsforThem has significant evidence of children with valid exemptions not being treated in this way but instead being excluded from communal areas, being made to use separate entrance and exit points from other pupils and being branded as selfish (see example).

Moreover, many secondary schools and even some primaries are requiring children to wear masks in class, despite no government request for this to happen (examples shown here). The Government guidelines to schools specifically states that face coverings can have a negative impact on learning and teaching and so their use in the classroom should be avoided. Masks for teachers especially impedes learning for those children with special educational needs and adds to the climate of fear.Masks for parents collecting children from primary school playgrounds is now being required across large swathes of the country, including areas with relatively low numbers, giving young children a strong visual message of risk. This, despite lack of evidence for transmission outdoors. There is also a substantial safeguarding risk in parents and carers who collect children from school having their faces covered, making their identity more difficult to determine. In preschool settings, parents are being asked to wear masks for toddler groups, paying no regard to the importance of facial mimicry in development of both social and language skills. In some maternity units, mothers have been asked to wear masks when handling their babies, a huge cause for concern in infant attachment.

Almost no studies have been done on any physical harms arising from masks. It is known that masks increase the work of breathing.Masks improperly worn or worn for long periods are susceptible to bacterial and fungal contamination.Fragments of cotton fibres have been demonstrated on the insides of masks and there is no knowledge of whether these can be inhaled and set up any chronic inflammatory processes. Thus the potential long term physical harms are unknown.

We do know that children have suffered huge mental health impacts from lockdown  and a recent Ofsted report has shown worrying increase in self harm. Non-verbal communication is such a vital part of human interaction and blocking facial expression will likely have both short and long-term implications for children’s development and their emotion regulation. The distress caused to an infant of only two minutes of interaction with an expressionless face (not dissimilar to a masked face) is demonstrated from the still-face experiment shown here. Facemasks impede interpretation of emotion and empathy. The ongoing damaging effects of fear, social distancing and mask usage in society as a whole, has been highlighted in a psychology focussed open letter.

We call upon the government to send urgent instructions to all schools and preschool settings, that any excess measures are not only unnecessary but potentially harmful and must stop forthwith. We also call upon the government to review and reverse its own advice on masks in corridors and communal areas as a matter of urgency. Masks should play no part in the life of healthy children.

289667 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to Victoria, 3, #720 of 1952 🔗

I feel removing the masks from schools would be a huge weight lifted for many. So destructive and distopian to have them.

289870 ▶▶ Ben, replying to Victoria, #721 of 1952 🔗

Would be nice if Lockdown Sceptics did an article on this issue

289425 Biker, replying to Biker, 10, #722 of 1952 🔗

I think when it hits the anniversary of this global takeover the Government will print a new set of souvenir stamps with the Queen wearing a mask. Signifying the end of the Queen, Parliament and all our laws. We are now ruled by the global technocrats who’ve decided they need to save the planet. It’s the dystopian future we’ve all been waiting for. This is how this civilisation ends, as all must.

289485 ▶▶ Tom Blackburn, replying to Biker, 5, #723 of 1952 🔗

Maybe this is the answer.

Instead of pushing against this crap, we (counterintuitively) start lobbying for wackier restrictions and changes. Face masks on bank notes to ‘help’ increase compliance. Inflatable bubble suits for MPs in Parliament to aid social distancing. Get them bogged down in correspondence and the race to signal virtue.

289493 ▶▶▶ Andy Riley, replying to Tom Blackburn, 1, #724 of 1952 🔗

I like this!
e.g. based on published research mandatory facemasks for hamsters

289566 ▶▶▶ Stringfellow Hawke, replying to Tom Blackburn, 2, #725 of 1952 🔗

Interesting. Diverse testing for diverse health issues – HIV. tuberculosis. diphtheria. bronchitis. H1N1. polio. legionnaire’s disease. Let’s make sure everywhere is TB secure… Let’s control the disease until we get to zero legionnaire’s! after all we are in the age of equality. Pretending covid-19 is the only disease on earth is really not very diverse now, is it?

289532 ▶▶ sam, replying to Biker, 1, #726 of 1952 🔗

apparently she’s going to take teh vaccine on live TV !! (or a saline solution!)

289611 ▶▶▶ Biker, replying to sam, 1, #727 of 1952 🔗

This’ll be the shittest Queens Christmas speech ever

289834 ▶▶ TJN, replying to Biker, 1, #728 of 1952 🔗

a new set of souvenir stamps with the Queen wearing a mask

See the cover of God save the Queen, 1977.

289865 ▶▶ Ben, replying to Biker, 1, #729 of 1952 🔗

The stamps will have Klaus Schwab on them instead. And by law we’ll be required to hang his portrait in our homes

God save the WEF

289430 Cheezilla, replying to Cheezilla, 9, #730 of 1952 🔗

I’ve just skimmed through this morning’s update and I’m somewhat puzzled by the glaring omission.

I spent a lot of time over the weekend watching footage of the peaceful lockdown protests. The MSM’s determination to pretend they never happened spoke louder than if they’d actually reported them. To completely ignore the gridlocking of the West End by a peaceful army of well-organised Sikhs really is astounding, given the number of witnesses there will have been.

The LS updates are receiving an increasing readership and a growing number BTL. We’re the Lockdown Sceptics. Toby founded the FSU. So, why is there no reporting of the thousands of people who, this weekend, stood up for freedom of speech and the end of lockdown? Surely it should have been the centrepiece?! Instead, we have a bit of fluff about the Nottingham market.

I really don’t know what to think! Is it the fault of us BTL, assuming they knew what was going on? To be fair, I didn’t send any links. On the other hand, while the Sikh demo was on Youtube, the anti-lockdown stuff was on Telegram, so difficult to forward.

Any comments, thoughts, etc?

289449 ▶▶ Charlie Blue, replying to Cheezilla, 4, #731 of 1952 🔗

I had the same thought, Cheezilla. But then I realised that without some commentary or first-hand account to refer to it’s quite difficult to write about these events in a meaningful way unless you were there yourself. The guys have been good about publishing accounts from individuals attending protests, but it might take a couple of days for those to come through.

289457 ▶▶▶ Julian, replying to Charlie Blue, 2, #732 of 1952 🔗

Good point

Anyone who was there could send an update to lockdownsceptics@gmail.com

290573 ▶▶▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to sam, #734 of 1952 🔗

There was one in at a big mall in Stratford on Saturday. Not as effective as filling a street but well-attended nevertheless.

289451 ▶▶ Jonathan Smith, replying to Cheezilla, 1, #735 of 1952 🔗

I know it’s not usual but the Guardian reported the Manchester demo with a centre fold picture and facts (no opinion)

290577 ▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Jonathan Smith, #736 of 1952 🔗

Thanks. I’d checked the Grad and didn’t find anything.

289466 ▶▶ Jo Dominich -, replying to Cheezilla, 5, #737 of 1952 🔗

I think it tells me that they don’t want to show there is any dissent to the establishment narrative for what it’s worth. I know two polls listed in the article here appear to show that the public support lockdowns the reality on the ground is different plus I don’t necessarily trust these polls. The last thing they want to show is that people are getting together to demonstrate. Also, vis-a-vis Nottingham market, it shows that people do want to get out and about, shop, do normal things.

There’s too much invested by the Government and their stooges to allow this ponzi scheme of lies to collapse, which it is doing.

289534 ▶▶▶ sam, replying to Jo Dominich -, 1, #738 of 1952 🔗

are they made by the same people that said BREXIT would lose?

289703 ▶▶▶▶ Jo Dominich -, replying to sam, #739 of 1952 🔗

Sam, I’m afraid I don’t know the answer to that!

289536 ▶▶ Mark, replying to Cheezilla, #740 of 1952 🔗

To completely ignore the gridlocking of the West End by a peaceful army of well-organised Sikhs really is astounding, given the number of witnesses there will have been .”

What were the sikhs protesting about anyway?

289574 ▶▶▶ Jonathan Palmer, replying to Mark, 2, #741 of 1952 🔗

There are massive protests in India over farming.They care more about what is happening in India that what is unfolding here.

289679 ▶▶▶▶ mjr, replying to Jonathan Palmer, 1, #742 of 1952 🔗

and where they were blocking the road was just outside the Indian High Commission. It was specifically about farming issues in the Punjab from where most Sikhs come from and obviously still have close relatives . Fascinating watching the police being completely confused over what to do. Maybe next LS protest everyone should wear a turban

290580 ▶▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Jonathan Palmer, #743 of 1952 🔗

They pointed out that what happens there affects here.
The imprisoning of free-range chickens is a case in point.

290583 ▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Mark, #744 of 1952 🔗

Big Ag taking over small farms. They pointed out that farming is food and we will be affected.
I don’t think most people realise what a powerful enemy we have in Big Ag.

289433 stefarm, 5, #745 of 1952 🔗

Just been notified of another gig booked pushed back from march 2021 to November 2021.

Looks like Easter will be the end point, subject to the big V or civil war ending it.

289441 G.Fawkes, replying to G.Fawkes, 5, #746 of 1952 🔗

Modified RNA has a direct effect on DNA
https://phys.org/news/2020-01-rna-effect-dna.html

289464 ▶▶ calchas, replying to G.Fawkes, 3, #747 of 1952 🔗

From January 2020 real research

I wonder if they could get that published in the present climate of censorship and conformity and fear.

289443 Danny, replying to Danny, 13, #748 of 1952 🔗

So Gove has “no plans” to make vaccines mandatory, then on the same day they release details of the “pass” which should apparently be kept in purses and wallets.
“There are daggers in men’s smiles”.

289450 ▶▶ Sam Vimes, replying to Danny, 3, #749 of 1952 🔗

Well, if we have a picture, it can be forged. Let the games begin.

289460 ▶▶ Jo Dominich -, replying to Danny, 10, #750 of 1952 🔗

They are telling so many lies now I think they believe them themselves. They can’t tell fact from fiction any more. I think that, if they move to make vaccines mandatory there will be big legal challenges which the public will win. I think some of those might even be supported by Doctors. There’s a long road to travel yet

289473 ▶▶▶ calchas, replying to Jo Dominich -, 14, #751 of 1952 🔗

If there is much resistance to vaccination amongst NHS staff, then the government have a big problem.

I think that is why the NHS staff were pushed down the priority list – because the government know there is too much resistance.

289701 ▶▶▶▶ Jo Dominich -, replying to calchas, 1, #752 of 1952 🔗

Then the carers need to resist it too.

289671 ▶▶▶ Tom in Scotland, replying to Jo Dominich -, 4, #753 of 1952 🔗

I’ve never believed there would be mandatory vaccinations in this country, at least not now. Aside from the logistical problems, mass resistance and legal challenges (and the need for mass indemnification of all businesses that try to make it compulsory, as they would be liable if people came down with side effects), the main purpose of the magic vaccine is to placate the frightened Covidians who were all too successfully brainwashed by the government’s propaganda campaign. The vaccine is a placebo, the main component in what will become the mass deprogramming effort (along with reducing testing, reducing the cycles, reducing restrictions, etc in the coming months). Yes, there may be unpleasant vaccine side effects, but this incompetent government can only handle one problem at a time and does not consider the consequences of its foolish actions. We will soon be dealing with our departure from the Brexit transition, elections in Scotland and elsewhere in May, and massive economic problems for years to come. The Rona will recede, and sooner than you might think right now.

Sorry to those who think there is a bigger agenda here, but I don’t believe it. Just because there are vested interests who want something like an immunisation passport, social credit scheme, or other Orwellian monstrosity does not mean they have somehow banded together to organise all this, pulling the strings of most governments. I’ve interviewed lots of politicians and can tell you that most are not very bright or capable. The idea that they are acting in concert with their counterparts abroad and vested interests at the global level strikes me as ridiculous. Yes, I’m aware of the public statements by these organisations, but these do not constitute causation. Politicians being bought off by Big Pharma, however, would not surprise me – good ol’fashioned corruption – but the sinister agendas that people keep writing about are not going to happen – yet. Where I do agree with those who are worried is that the dystopia we fear could happen in the future if people don’t wake up and start to value their freedom. Governments have learned how easy it is to control people. The two biggest worries for me since March have been the death of scientific and rational thought, and the evidence that most people in liberal democracies do not really value freedom.

This sorry episode is a warning and we must heed it. I don’t think we are in the dystopia many are worried about yet, but it could happen at some point if people don’t start to value individual autonomy.

289699 ▶▶▶▶ Jo Dominich -, replying to Tom in Scotland, 2, #754 of 1952 🔗

I agree with you Tom. I don’t think there is necessarily a covert sinister agenda here more about a Government power grab and a Totalitarian Government. There is too much draconian censorship, too much false propaganda and fake news for me which means there is very little truth to any of it as, if there were, dissenting points of view would be welcomed and not removed. That’s at the core of it’s weakness. The lies are already collapsing hence the need to start saying all dissenting views should be banned. They are breaking through the censorship barrier as it always does.

What is clear however, is this is the most corrupt Government in UK Parliamentary History and the worst opposition party ever. They keep changing the story, the ‘facts’, the goal posts and effectively, have now run out of excuses because the clear and true data is showing this is all but finished. They are now trying to keep a virus going that is in rapid decline.

Lord Sumption said the British people were not aware of just how serious a constitutional crisis this country is in. There will not be a Brexit deal which will further destroy the economy. We do need to take organised action but that’s very difficult to organise in this country because of the sheeples.

289793 ▶▶▶▶▶ Tom in Scotland, replying to Jo Dominich -, #755 of 1952 🔗

Thanks, Jo. I agree entirely and was trying to support your point about the obstacles to mandatory vaccination. What appears (to me) to be widespread high-level corruption is disgraceful and I suspect it’s worse here than in other (former) democracies. At least there has been some pushing back by the judicial system or even opposition parties (that are actually opposing government!) elsewhere – the Nordic countries, Germany and Portugal are examples. I suspect that in the UK, one of the main consequences of the little ‘opposition’ we see will be Scottish independence.

While the non-thinking sheeple are bad enough, the apparent censorship is even worse and I hope we don’t forget to investigate whether there really is some kind of ‘D-Notice’ on the UK media (we know Big IT, like Google/YouTube, are up to something). I’ve never seen such one-sided reporting on any issue in the 20+ years I’ve lived in this country, and I’m no fan of the British media.

Yes, I’ll be using quotes from Lord Sumption in a book I’m writing and am so glad he’s been speakig out. Sadly, most people are not listening to this great intellectual figure.

289448 George L, replying to George L, 24, #756 of 1952 🔗

Lest we forget.. The WHO faked the 2009 Swine Flue Pandemic , and the brave Dr Wolfgang Wodarg was on to them then, just like he is now. Thank God for people of
integrity..

https://web.archive.org/web/20201011163656if_/https://www.forbes.com/2010/02/05/world-health-organization-swine-flu-pandemic-opinions-contributors-michael-fumento.html#2a95c17f48e8

289503 ▶▶ Victoria, replying to George L, 7, #757 of 1952 🔗

WHO should be disbanded/defunded

289533 ▶▶▶ Hieronimusb, replying to Victoria, 3, #758 of 1952 🔗

The Donald tried it but he’s a nutterscumfascistbigot of course..

290912 ▶▶▶ richard riewer, replying to Victoria, #759 of 1952 🔗

And the United Nations. The W.H.O. works for them.

289521 ▶▶ Ben, replying to George L, 3, #760 of 1952 🔗

Wolfgang Wodarg is a hero

289462 Cheezilla, replying to Cheezilla, 16, #761 of 1952 🔗

Professor Lim said age was the single most important factor in the estimated risk of mortality, and everyone in the country older than 50 will be vaccinated by the end of phase one.

Note, it doesn’t say will be offered the vaccine .

I find will be vaccinated somewhat worrying!

289472 ▶▶ Hieronimusb, replying to Cheezilla, 6, #762 of 1952 🔗

This one won’t, I guarantee it! Not currently registered where I now live in any case.

289480 ▶▶ George L, replying to Cheezilla, 7, #763 of 1952 🔗

Agreed.. I’m wondering if their confidence – arrogance is because.. if you dig down legally, it appears that the UK is a corporation not a sovereign nation, and because of our birth certificates we are no more than commodities owned by that corporation and not sovereign beings.

289518 ▶▶ Ben, replying to Cheezilla, 3, #764 of 1952 🔗

I read that vitamin D levels were the most important factor

289527 ▶▶▶ Hieronimusb, replying to Ben, 1, #765 of 1952 🔗

I recommend 4000 units a day.

290585 ▶▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Hieronimusb, #766 of 1952 🔗

I’m on 8,000 for winter.

289478 Smelly Melly, replying to Smelly Melly, 7, #767 of 1952 🔗

Went out with friends to a restaurant on Saturday night, not that I was looking for it, but I wasn’t aware of the T&T QR thing. Are they being dropped as it’s another government failure?

289500 ▶▶ Victoria, replying to Smelly Melly, 5, #768 of 1952 🔗

So many obstacles introduced for businesses and then quietly forgotten.

289803 ▶▶▶ Fiona Walker, replying to Victoria, #769 of 1952 🔗

True, on my illegal shopping foray into Harrogate yesterday, we ate at a popular Italian casual dining place, Can you scan in please, oh no, so sorry I can’t, look my phone is really rubbish but I am happy to give you paper details. Nothing further heard about it. I guess the last thing they want is to be pinged.

290626 ▶▶ Cranmer, replying to Smelly Melly, #770 of 1952 🔗

My sports club had a QR thing before lockdown, and once or twice I was reminded to ‘scan in’ (but never did). Now, the thing seems to have disappeared from the door and nobody’s mentioned it; plus, there’s no pretence at social distancing any more and the staff have stopped wearing those visor things, although one of them said ‘ooh some new people coming in, better mask up’ and pulled her fleece collar up over her mouth!

289482 Bungle, replying to Bungle, 35, #771 of 1952 🔗

Today’s LS looks like a proganda sheet for the government/big pharma.Remember, the pandemic was over by early June; we now have herd immunity nearly everywhere; Covid 19 is not a particularly serious illness; Pfizer’s vaccine is untested in the real world and does not claim to stop transmission; we need to preserve democracy, science & our children’s futures. We do this by continually challenging the official narrative. Come on LS, get back to what you stand for!

289489 ▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Bungle, 2, #772 of 1952 🔗

The vaccine article is dated today but the comments are two days old!

289491 ▶▶ G.Fawkes, replying to Bungle, 7, #773 of 1952 🔗

Seriously – change your username or you’re going to get spammed to hell.

289501 ▶▶▶ Bungle, replying to G.Fawkes, #774 of 1952 🔗

Cheers Guido

289516 ▶▶ Ben, replying to Bungle, 2, #775 of 1952 🔗

And the definition of the word ‘pandemic’ was changed by the WHO in 2009 after pressure from Pharma companies

289596 ▶▶ Darryl, replying to Bungle, 4, #776 of 1952 🔗

There is a growing difference between the main articles which increasingly quote the discredited controlled media and the views of the people in the comments section and people who protest against the restrictions. Why does Lockdownsceptics repeat the ‘freedom pass’ nonsense other than to promote it and help it gain acceptance.

289715 ▶▶▶ Ben, replying to Darryl, 1, #777 of 1952 🔗

Freedom means no freedom pass

289658 ▶▶ Charlie Blue, replying to Bungle, #778 of 1952 🔗

I don’t think today’s edition is a barnstormer by any means (there will be less material to draw on some days than other) but I’m not sure I’ve read the same thing you have. Doesn’t like pro-Govt or pro big pharma to me.

289498 Steeve, replying to Steeve, 5, #779 of 1952 🔗

I am not entirely convinced that the timeframes for the freezer storage, refrigeration storage & vaccination logistics will be straightforward.

289523 ▶▶ Hieronimusb, replying to Steeve, 1, #780 of 1952 🔗

Take it boiled or not at all.

289499 stefarm, replying to stefarm, 22, #781 of 1952 🔗

Forgive me if I sound a bit potty but as loathsome as our glorious leaders are can they really roll out the you know what in full knowledge that it is untested, do not know any real long term or short term effects, have logistics ready to go, know they might have to take it and could make women infertile. Are they that evil or stupid.

Still smells a bit fishy to me. Has it been in development for years, does it coincide with a new virus or is it the other way around. What came 1st chicken (covid) or the egg (V)?

Are they taking the piss?

Are they that stupid to publish their grand plans in neatly packaged agenda 21 & 30 brochures?

Do they really want to ‘build back better’?

Am I going mad or am in a lucid dream.

289507 ▶▶ Bungle, replying to stefarm, 4, #782 of 1952 🔗

You’re right on the ball, Stef!

289519 ▶▶▶ stefarm, replying to Bungle, 6, #783 of 1952 🔗

I do believe however they can keep us in this suspended animation of lockdown until they do have everything in place to roll it out or replace it with the reall master plan of test, test, test and social credits.

289557 ▶▶▶▶ calchas, replying to stefarm, 2, #784 of 1952 🔗

There must though be some time limit on this.

The question is where that is.

Very difficult for them to gauge I would think.

The best laid plans of mice and men,

289684 ▶▶▶▶▶ Jo Dominich -, replying to calchas, 4, #785 of 1952 🔗

Well, I read something (I can’t remember where) over the past three days that stated Sir Simon Stephens (CEO NHS and Johnson’s close buddy from Balliol College) is saying that, because of people being allowed to meet up and socialise at Christmas, the NHS will be overwhelmed in January because of all the new cases generated by these social gatherings. Here we go again. However, we definitely cannot afford another lockdown and people will start to revolt.

What is really pissing me off is that SAGE, Stephens et al seem to think the bubonic plague is out there you know, don’t share the same serving spoon, put granny by an open window (that will kill her anyway), don’t socialise because you are going to infect another 1,000 people etc etc when none of this is completely untrue. It is a respiratory infection no more no less. Not a highly infectious mass killer.

290619 ▶▶▶▶▶ Cranmer, replying to calchas, #786 of 1952 🔗

I think the time limit is when the money runs out. People are only putting up with this nonsense because they are getting paid holidays. Once that stops, there will be bread riots because most people have no savings and barely any food in the larder. So if the ‘great reset’ is coming, they’ve got to get it through before the pound collapses into hyperinflation or IMF bailouts etc.

289513 ▶▶ Ben, replying to stefarm, 12, #787 of 1952 🔗

Some are saying it’s been planned. Horrifying and fantastic if so.

Personally, I’m worried that illness and death caused by side effects of the vaccines will be blamed on Covid and not on the vaccines. Especially after witnessing the skulduggery, immorality and total absence of ethics displayed by those fiddling the data

There are liars, damned liars and fascistic statisticians

289561 ▶▶▶ calchas, replying to Ben, 2, #788 of 1952 🔗

A good point.

Covid the self-sustaining epidemic.

The death rate will increase anywaydie to: untreated and undiagnosed cancers, social isolation and economic collapse amongst other things.

All you need is a positive PCR and you have a ‘covid death’.

289562 ▶▶ sam, replying to stefarm, 3, #789 of 1952 🔗

Its planned by some madmen Gates, (who is a eugenecist like his Dad), Soros who wants open borders and Schwab who wants global marxism (ie feudalism)

289577 ▶▶▶ stefarm, replying to sam, 1, #790 of 1952 🔗

Agree,I’m just in one of those ‘it can’t really happen can it……’ moods today and am wondering if the sheople know something I don’t.

It’s ok, I’ll snap out of it before I finish my cup of tea.

289581 ▶▶▶▶ sam, replying to stefarm, 1, #791 of 1952 🔗

I wish we could wake up and it was a nightmare but sadly no. I wonder if this is what it felt like to live in Russia in 1917?

289678 ▶▶▶▶▶ Jo Dominich -, replying to sam, 2, #792 of 1952 🔗

I suspect living in Russia in 1917 was dire but not this dire!

289565 ▶▶ dhid, replying to stefarm, 6, #793 of 1952 🔗

Am I going mad or am in a lucid dream.”

I know how you feel! You aren’t going mad and if it is a lucid dream then it’s a long lasting one!

Oh and I think they really are that evil and stupid. Boris is definitely that stupid and might be evil, the rest are a bunch of evil scum. 100%!


289576 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to stefarm, 1, #794 of 1952 🔗

If it works anything like the lockdown logic, no effect means we need more of it. Triple, quadruple doses of the same medicine because, well, it works

289659 ▶▶ Jonathan Palmer, replying to stefarm, 2, #795 of 1952 🔗

No it’s all happening.They have taken it for granted that the population are too dumbed down and divided to put up much resistance;that’s why they operate in plain sight.Everybody who matters has been bought off or are on board with the plan.

289676 ▶▶ Jo Dominich -, replying to stefarm, 1, #796 of 1952 🔗

No the world has gone mad and you are sane!

289505 IanE, 7, #797 of 1952 🔗

How Great is it that Britain is to be the International Testing Centre for Pfizer’s vaccine in real world conditions? Martyrs to the last at our government’s altar. #ProudtobeBritish? [not]

289509 TruthClone, replying to TruthClone, 1, #798 of 1952 🔗

I still can’t believe that people want to take a vaccine that is still experimental…. or that the Government are more than happy to give the vaccine to thousands of people who will clearly be on all sorts of medication being in the clinical vulnerable category. The trials haven’t finished yet and Pfizer themselves say that the vaccine has not been tested with other medication.

Also – if one of the vaccine ‘adverse reactions’ is death (something that people generally don’t recover from….), then how is this vaccine any safer than having a 1% chance of death from covid? I’d take my chances.

289848 ▶▶ Ben, replying to TruthClone, 1, #799 of 1952 🔗

My only fear is that deaths caused by it will be blamed on Covid – and so the nightmare continues. Because of unprincipled, lying, deceitful, immoral statisticians

289511 Eddy, 7, #800 of 1952 🔗

You Need To Accept That You Have Been Scammed On A Monumental Scale – David Icke

https://davidicke.com/2020/12/07/you-need-to-accept-that-you-have-been-scammed-on-a-monumental-scale-david-icke/

289512 Sarigan, 1, #801 of 1952 🔗

Tamper Proof
An unshakeable confidence in your own authority

Free E-Book – https://www.tamperproof.earth/ebook

289514 Achilles, replying to Achilles, 23, #802 of 1952 🔗

Isn’t amazing how every single policy and tactic the government have used to deal with coronavirus has worked? Lockdown, masks, tiers, curfews, social distancing. You name it, every one is a success. Of course where it hasn’t been a success that’s been down to people not obeying the rules properly, the rules themselves are infallible. So it took a while but in 2020 we finally made it to a point where government policy is 100% correct and successful. Well done to everyone involved in establishing this new utopia.

289528 ▶▶ TruthClone, replying to Achilles, 1, #803 of 1952 🔗

To be honest, I think it’s the MSM which are promoting compliance – as if 99% of citizens were doing as they were told.

I am not sure that it is an accurate representation of how people are behaving. We may ‘say’ we’re complying because we don’t want a fine but realistically, I think there are more and more people defying the rules. Even if we can’t shop, we can still visit friends and family which is what I see people do all the time… and no one is bothered because they all know this is all total b-s.

I think the days of neighbour snooping has gone.

289558 ▶▶ JohnB, replying to Achilles, 3, #804 of 1952 🔗

You missed ‘Eat out to Help Out’.

289601 ▶▶ Sam Vimes, replying to Achilles, 2, #805 of 1952 🔗

I especially like the world beating test and trace system, for use in cafes, pubs and restaurants etc. You know, the places that are shut…

289515 J4mes, replying to J4mes, 19, #806 of 1952 🔗

Nottinghamshire Police said officers were at the market all day to provide visible presence and to break up large crowds in the area.

While anti-social behaviour skyrockets and police are no where to be seen. Try calling them about someone driving an off-road motorbike around neighbourhoods, and their reply is they don’t have the resources to deal with crime like this.

289545 ▶▶ dhid, replying to J4mes, 3, #807 of 1952 🔗

Try calling them about someone driving an off-road motorbike around neighbourhoods, and their reply is they don’t have the resources to deal with crime like this.”

Sounds like you might live in my neighbourhood.
If it’s a mini off road bike every Thursday or Friday that is….PITA!

289563 ▶▶▶ chaos, replying to dhid, 1, #808 of 1952 🔗

Try living next to drug dealers, even ones with high volume county lines stints.

Takes ages to get the police to take it seriously. And even then you may find a year later they are still dealing and still your neighbours.

289609 ▶▶▶▶ dhid, replying to chaos, 2, #809 of 1952 🔗

Try living next to drug dealers..”

I feel for you – the ones we had were in a House of Multiple Occupation backing on to us – not a bloody scooby doo how they got the planning permission – well, dosh changing hands probably.

This wonderful “rehabilitation” project was of course a “charideee” run by a bunch of stupid woke bozzo twats!

It was a perfect outlook for the kids being looked after in a small pre-school type creche (properly licenced) by a neighbour, seeing them when they were off their heads in the back garden.

Local fuzz utterly bloody useless, local council……I can’t bring myself to type what I think about them!

The off ride bike riding is from another property….

289792 ▶▶▶ Fiona Walker, replying to dhid, 4, #810 of 1952 🔗

Tell them that the bike is crossing from Tier 3 to Tier 2 and they will be round like a shot.

289672 ▶▶ Jo Dominich -, replying to p02099003, 3, #812 of 1952 🔗

Thanks for this information. Given that, at least where I live, it is impossible to get an appointment with my GP and are not allowed to physically go to the surgery unless you are in chronic physical distress, I cannot see GPs being able to comply with this edict as in the majority, their doors are effectively closed to patients.

289941 ▶▶ A. Contrarian, replying to p02099003, #813 of 1952 🔗

The GPs are just going to luuurve that…

289531 Eddy, replying to Eddy, 15, #814 of 1952 🔗

Burglary crime up 20%
Car crime up 30%
Inadequate pub lunch crime up 100%

289559 ▶▶ PoshPanic, replying to Eddy, 6, #815 of 1952 🔗

Rise in crime rates is going to be a direct consequence of all this. Not enough being talked about it IMO

289665 ▶▶▶ Jo Dominich -, replying to PoshPanic, 2, #816 of 1952 🔗

Ah of course, our boys in blue are fighting this pandemic at the centre of which is a lethal and deadly virus and preventing people from demonstrating or arresting people who are not wearing masks. Burglary, Murder, Car Crime? Naah, they are not real offences any more.

289789 ▶▶▶▶ Fiona Walker, replying to Jo Dominich -, 2, #817 of 1952 🔗

Come on, they also have to devote quite some time to perfecting their dance routines, getting up after taking the knee and checking on cars driving out of their Tier. Burglaries pale in comparison!

289686 ▶▶▶ Stringfellow Hawke, replying to PoshPanic, 1, #818 of 1952 🔗

Already happening in & around London, spates of burglaries all over the place, this is just from anecdotal conversation with friends & colleagues.

289734 ▶▶▶▶ Silke David, replying to Stringfellow Hawke, #819 of 1952 🔗

I thought everyone worth burglaring is working from home, so when do they get burglared?

289539 chaos, replying to chaos, 11, #820 of 1952 🔗

Conservatives pre-scamdemic
Party of business
Party of law and order
Party for kicking/killing the poor and disabled
But largely the party for business so they told us

Conservatives post-scamdemic
Party for destroying the economy and business
Party of law and order unless it’s a woke issue
Party of green socialism

If there are any tory MP’s reading.. take a break from your rent boy and expense fiddles and have a re-think.

289589 ▶▶ Julian, replying to chaos, 4, #821 of 1952 🔗

The Tories have not been conservative for a long time. Certainly not conservative from Cameron onwards. It has just become more obvious now.

289631 ▶▶▶ Kev, replying to Julian, 2, #822 of 1952 🔗

Not since Thatcher, but we didn’t notice until Cameron

289711 ▶▶▶▶ IanE, replying to Kev, #823 of 1952 🔗

Well I know that hardly anyone paid any attention to Major, but I think most realised what an extreme wet (i.e. non-conservative) he was!

290607 ▶▶▶▶▶ Cranmer, replying to IanE, #824 of 1952 🔗

Very pro-EU also – it now makes a lot of sense as to why he took over from Thatcher.

289788 ▶▶ George Mc, replying to chaos, 1, #825 of 1952 🔗

“Conservatives post-scamdemic…Party of green socialism”

And there will be plenty on the actual (?) Left who will be willing to join them. This latter crowd are having orgasms because they see covid as a kind of micro-proletariat bringing about the revolution.

289543 Quernus, replying to Quernus, 22, #826 of 1952 🔗

I have always refused to wear a mask, and I have avoided going into shops as much as possible. But this weekend I was in Manchester and had a particularly unpleasant experience in Forsyths, a wonderful independent music shop that I’ve always supported. I have written a letter of complaint to the manager – feel free to use any or all of it if you’re thinking of making a similar complaint. It’s a long one, so it’s in two parts.

PART 1

Dear Sir/Madam

I have been a long-time supporter of your shop, and have always shopped with you in preference to buying music from anywhere else, believing strongly that we should support local independent businesses. My husband has purchased a piano from you, and a few years ago, we ordered a double piano stool. However, I regret to say that I will not be buying from your shop again because of the experience I had when I visited your shop on Saturday, 6th December.

At about 11.15am, I walked into the store to browse the piano music section for a Christmas gift for my husband. When I was nearly at that section, a young girl came rushing over to me and asked me to return to the store entrance to put on some gloves. I explained that my hands are very sensitive, and I couldn’t wear them . She then challenged me as to why I wasn’t wearing a mask, and I explained that I was exempt. She then demanded to see proof of my exemption. I said I didn’t need to produce this, and I asked her if she had read the government’s guidance on this point. She assured me that she had, but clearly this wasn’t the case, as she would have been aware that there is no requirement to produce any proof of exemption. She tried to tell me that it was “against the law” for me to enter the shop without wearing a mask. I said I would be more than happy to discuss this with the manager if she would like to call him or her, but she muttered something which I couldn’t hear, because of her mask, and told me to keep “socially distanced”, despite the fact that there was only one other person on the ground floor at the time. I started to reply, but she turned on her heel and walked away from me. Her attitude was belligerent and off-putting in the extreme, a point I made to the lady who served me at the check out, and who apologised on behalf of her colleague.

I used to be a lawyer and have carefully examined both the statutory instrument that introduced the wearing of face masks (The Health Protection (Coronavirus, Wearing of Face Coverings in a Relevant Place) (England) Regulations 2020) and also the government’s own guidance in this regard, which you can find here. I draw your attention specifically to the section marked “Exemption cards”, which I quote as follows:

Exemption cards
If you have an age, health or disability reason for not wearing a face covering:

  • you do not routinely need to show any written evidence of this
  • you do not need show an exemption card

This means that you do not need to seek advice or request a letter from a medical professional about your reason for not wearing a face covering.

However, some people may feel more comfortable showing something that says they do not have to wear a face covering. This could be in the form of an exemption card, badge or even a home-made sign.

Carrying an exemption card or badge is a personal choice and is not required by law.

Continued in Part 2

289669 ▶▶ Brian ‘Monty’ Cohen, replying to Quernus, 4, #827 of 1952 🔗

It’s ironic that of all retail outlets a music shop should have staff with this appalling attitude. I am a professional opera singer and former pro flautist and I know Forsyths well having taught at Chethams a few decades ago. My whole industry and livelihood is predicated on being able to inhale and exhale freely, without obstruction, so I am particularly sensitive on the subject of muzzles. I have a deep visceral loathing of them – a jackboot in the face of freedom. I have lost all my income this year and until mask wearing is made optional rather than mandatory, I cannot see the performing arts coming back. For a music shop to show such contempt for the profession it serves is utterly despicable. Yesterday, a group of renowned singers in Germany issued a legal challenge to the Bavarian regional government’s closure of all theatres and concert halls – I wish them all success, but, if you’ll pardon the pun, won’t be holding my breath…

289726 ▶▶▶ Quernus, replying to Brian ‘Monty’ Cohen, 1, #828 of 1952 🔗

Being a flautist and singer myself, abeit on an amateur basis, this could well explain my own great revulsion for muzzles. It was indeed very upsetting to see Forsyths virtually empty and yet doing their best to put off customers. They are complicit with their almost inevitable demise – but sadly they are fairly typical of businesses across the country who have all bought in to the Government narrative, and are meekly determined to go under rather than do their own research to see just what they are in fact required to do (very little, as it happens). That’s excellent news about the singers in Germany, and I can only hope that those in the performing arts in the UK follow suit. We need the creative industries more now than ever, and yet it is particularly these that the government have targeted for destruction. I hope you find a path through what’s happening.

289544 Mrs issedoff, replying to Mrs issedoff, 11, #829 of 1952 🔗

I had been talking to my son on the phone having our twice weekly plandemic rant. It ended when he reached the shops. Not long and my phone went again, it was my son ringing back, ” I had to ring you back and tell you something which will make you proud”. My response was, “You didn’t wear a mask?”, no, I went out of the entry door instead of the exit when I was leaving, the security guy was shouting at me and I just ignored him. I had to laugh because he was brought up to follow the rules and for him this was being a rebel. Then I thought how pathetic we have become as a nation where we are herded everywhere we go and going through a wrong door is an act of defiance. I hate this country with a passion now and will never be a compliant obey the rules type of person again. I just hope I can now pursuade those I love to take off the damn muzzles.

289786 ▶▶ Peter, replying to Mrs issedoff, 4, #830 of 1952 🔗

Walking out through entrance doors is one of the great joys at the moment. A woman had a complete meltdown when I did it in a London mainline station the other day. Started shouting and screaming that I was killing people. I suggested she should call the police and walked off but could still hear her swearing and stamping her feet as I walked to the train. Incredible, well-dressed, mid 50s I would guess (although the face nappy makes it hard to tell). Wonder if she did consider calling the police or would do so if she saw me again, assume we are both daily commuters after all.

290090 ▶▶▶ Mrs issedoff, replying to Peter, 2, #831 of 1952 🔗

That made me laugh, stupid woman saying you are killing people because you go through a wrong door!. I don’t know how you kept your cool though, I simply want to throttle people like this.

289548 Quernus, replying to Quernus, 31, #832 of 1952 🔗

Continued letter of complaint re being challenged for not wearing a mask in a shop.

PART 2

I would strongly advise you to make all your staff aware of this point, as demanding that either a face mask is worn, or that an exemption card is produced, is not a legal requirement, and could even leave your business open to a claim under the Equality Act 2010. If you want to look into this point further, I recommend visiting the website, Law or Fiction . This website is run by qualified lawyers who volunteer their time and expertise in an effort to provide some in depth analysis of the government’s measures. In particular, please note the following important quote from this article:

The regulations do not and cannot trump discrimination law
Anti-discrimination laws in the Equality Act 2010 cannot be overwritten by these regulations. The Equality Act provides fundamental protections for citizens with disabilities. These also overlap with rights to privacy and autonomy having to be treated with reference to their disability (or, for that matter, their gender, race, sexuality etc.)

What should businesses do?
Businesses and their staff are best advised not to challenge those who refuse to wear a face covering.  Otherwise, at some point in the day there is likely to be a time when someone with a disability is challenged. Depending on how the situation develops, and this could be within minutes or seconds, a situation may arise when the business, and the person conducting the challenge, may find they have committed:

  • an offence for which they are liable on summary conviction to pay a fine of up to £5,000 – section 112 (Aiding contraventions) of the Equality Act 2010; and/or
  • an act of disability discrimination and be ordered to pay to any individual who suffers injury to feelings compensation between £900 and £9,000 – section 119 (Remedies) of the Equality Act 2010

With that in mind, consider the following.

Standing up for others
There will be real concern that those who are already vulnerable will be subject to harassment from those who do not appreciate their disability and who misunderstand that law. They may live to regret it since ignorance of the law will be no excuse when they find themselves in Court.

Those who support and stand up for the rights of others do not have to have a disability themselves in order to be protected. The Equality Act 2010 provides protection for those who are treated unfavourably because of someone else’s disability, just as if the disability was theirs.

I presume that you also require your staff to wear face coverings whilst at work. It would therefore be also worth reading this article to consider what your rights and obligations are under employment law and Health & Safety Laws. You will note that there is no legal requirement for staff to wear masks at work, and this is a matter entirely for employers. You have presumably carried out risk assessments into the wearing of face coverings for your staff, as a failure to do so could leave you vulnerable to future claims, particularly as the evidence to support their effectiveness is weak at best, and there is at least equally strong evidence to suggest that they may cause physical and psychological problems through prolonged use (see this article for further information). You will of course remember that at the height of the pandemic in March/April, the government’s advice was very much against the wearing of face masks by the general population.

In light of what the legislation actually says about the wearing of face coverings and exemptions thereto, I believe you, as a local business, have a great role to play in setting a kinder and more understanding tone for your customers and staff, which I believe would actively encourage more people to shop with you. However, whilst you continue to have staff who are ignorant of the law and belligerent in attitude, I am sorry to say that I will not be returning to shop with you.

Yours sincerely

289555 ▶▶ TheBigman, replying to Quernus, 1, #833 of 1952 🔗

Thanks for these! 🙂

289564 ▶▶▶ Quernus, replying to TheBigman, 2, #834 of 1952 🔗

My pleasure, Bigman! I have been meaning to do this for a while, because I think business owners could go a long way to mitigating the damage done by the government. I’ll be writing to more businesses in the coming days and weeks.

289591 ▶▶ Sam Vimes, replying to Quernus, 1, #835 of 1952 🔗

Excellent. Keep pushing back. Once again, those at ‘the sharp end’ have no bloody idea of the law or guidance, which takes about ten minutes to check.
Do let us know if they reply.

289607 ▶▶▶ Quernus, replying to Sam Vimes, 1, #836 of 1952 🔗

Thanks, Sam, I’ll certainly let you know if they do reply.

289629 ▶▶ Victoria, replying to Quernus, 1, #837 of 1952 🔗

Thanks, very well written. Will definitely use

289641 ▶▶▶ Quernus, replying to Victoria, 1, #838 of 1952 🔗

Thanks Victoria. Here’s hoping they take all this on board.

289552 davews, replying to davews, 7, #839 of 1952 🔗

Spoke to my friend this morning whose dad had tested positive in a care home last time we spoke. Two weeks isolation (not difficult when you are in a home I guess) and him and another who tested positive no symptoms at all. More proof of the silliness of the T&T regime. We then mentioned vaccines and thta we don’t know whether they will stop you catching it or passing it on – what’s the point of having it he said. When I said that Wexham Park hospital is one of the places they now have stocks he said he wasn’t going to drive over, the trip to there is a nightmare right through the centre of Slough. Thought he was a Covid zealot, maybe he is coming over to our way.

289567 ▶▶ calchas, replying to davews, 2, #840 of 1952 🔗

The true test of the covid zealot:

Will you take the vaccine?

289780 ▶▶▶ George Mc, replying to calchas, #841 of 1952 🔗

I suspect that care and health workers will not get the choice i.e. if they turn it down they will no longer be allowed to be care and health workers.

289823 ▶▶▶▶ Alan P, replying to George Mc, #842 of 1952 🔗

Might be tricky replacing them. In care homes maybe not so much, but it’s not that an attractive job. Hours and pay not great. I think the workers may have a bit more leverage than they realise.

289568 TheBigman, replying to TheBigman, 21, #843 of 1952 🔗

HAVE YOU FIGURED IT OUT YET?

This whole thing is a scam. There, I said it.

Those who were railing against the system of oppression have indeed started to support it. Talk Radio being a main culprit.

We know that ofcom regulations dictate what can and can’t be said therefore it is a one-sided game.

No matter what the govt and media say, this was clearly planned, hence the reactions are the same in numerous countries with just enough not following to encourage hope…hope that will be dashed.

This is a political vaccine that has clearly nothing to do with a virus so deadly that had the media not told you about it we’d never have known and the only cure? Well that is a vastly untested vaccine made within 10 months and has to be administered by force…aye just you all wait it is coming.

Civil War within different factions across the UK and Europe within the next 5 years. Get ready.

289569 ▶▶ calchas, replying to TheBigman, 3, #844 of 1952 🔗

Agreed.

Am getting ready.

The financial ponzi is coming down, leading to welfare state collapse and likely population decline.

All acroos the West.

289572 ▶▶ sam, replying to TheBigman, #845 of 1952 🔗

more likely next year in France and Germany if German elections are cancelled and what about our London mayoral election in May. Will it be cancelled again?

289586 ▶▶ Kevin 2, replying to TheBigman, 2, #846 of 1952 🔗

Regarding your last sentence, I would suggest that such a scenario will play out in the US in a much shorter timescale. Substitute months for years…
And US events will profoundly influence what ultimately happens here.
The Frankfurt incident is just the first visible sign.

289587 ▶▶ davews, replying to TheBigman, 3, #847 of 1952 🔗

I had got into the habit of listening to Mike Graham while preparing lunch. But today it is all about Harry and Megan so switched off. Maybe I should go back to listening to You and Yours which I had abandoned at the start of this nonsense, Talk Radio is no longer our safe home.

289664 ▶▶▶ nottingham69, replying to davews, #848 of 1952 🔗

Mike has been taking the piss out of Harry and Meagain for a long time, today was more of it. I am not a big fan of Talk Radio but Mike is a good guy.

290595 ▶▶▶ Cranmer, replying to davews, #849 of 1952 🔗

I agree Talk Radio is not perfect, but it’s a darn sight better than ,most content on Radio Four. The other week I heard a discussion on Talk Radio between Bob ‘in bed with me dinner’ Mills and some woman who had written a book on the Brontes. It was just a non-pretentious discussion of literature by ordinary, (some might say blokeish) people. Can’t imagine anything like that on R4 nowadays.

289571 Ben, replying to Ben, 23, #850 of 1952 🔗

I tried scanning through Google for an article I’d seen a few weeks ago about how the Irish government had ceased from recording suicides under lockdown. (The guilty always cover their crimes.)

But I couldn’t find it. Instead I was offered wall-to-wall pro-lockdown article after pro-lockdown article, and I realised Google was not an information resource at all but a blatant propaganda machine and all those journalists and media outlets who inhabit the space were neither media nor journalists. It’s the worst it’s ever been.

289579 ▶▶ TruthClone, replying to Ben, 2, #851 of 1952 🔗

Google sensor everything.

Try Qwant.com or DuckDuckGo. They use Google and other internet search engines and they don’t sensor results.

289580 ▶▶ Andy Riley, replying to Ben, 14, #852 of 1952 🔗

Try DuckDuckGo

289583 ▶▶ calchas, replying to Ben, 3, #853 of 1952 🔗

The propaganda and censorship is going into overdrive.

289590 ▶▶ Bella, replying to Ben, 12, #854 of 1952 🔗

Use DuckDuckGo, just as good and doesn’t track you

289760 ▶▶ Pebbles, replying to Ben, 3, #855 of 1952 🔗

If you are interested in how evil Google actually is… search and read this pdf by Dr R Epstein:

“The search engine manipulation effect (SEME) and its
possible impact on the outcomes of elections”

Oh ya and Biden wants lockdowns and eternal mask mandates. But helps to know Google Execs are his personal fan club.

Other than that I strongly suggest… get off Google now and forever. Delete gmail. Delete Google maps. Get off what’s app and Facebook. Engage in other companies’ and people’s sharing platforms where privacy is valued.

Duckduckgo
ProtonMail
ProtonDrive
Signal App
etc etc

Every consumer counts. And tell your friends too.

289938 ▶▶ Two-Six, replying to Ben, #856 of 1952 🔗

Use The Brave Browser too

289585 Bella, replying to Bella, 45, #857 of 1952 🔗

Not so many people out shopping as last year? People still frightened? Nope. Everybody I know who refuses to go do so because they won’t wear a stupid mask.

289588 ▶▶ Moomin, replying to Bella, 8, #858 of 1952 🔗

Agreed!

289616 ▶▶ dpj, replying to Bella, 13, #859 of 1952 🔗

Along with having to queue outside in wet and freezing cold weather, having to be potentially exposed to a pointless temperature check and then having to follow one way systems, stupid signs, hand sanitiser etc when you finally get inside.

289630 ▶▶ Margaret, replying to Bella, 13, #860 of 1952 🔗

https://www.parliament.uk/business/news/2020/july/coronavirus-statement-14-july/

But Handjob told us masks were to make people feel more confident about going shopping. He wasn’t telling porkies, was he??

289645 ▶▶▶ OKUK, replying to Margaret, 9, #861 of 1952 🔗

Johnson said the same. When it comes to porkies, they are a veritable sausage factory!

290913 ▶▶▶▶ richard riewer, replying to OKUK, #862 of 1952 🔗

Maybe they played extras in Pink Floyd’s ‘The Wall’?

289592 calchas, 18, #863 of 1952 🔗

“It is rather obvious that the wearing of a mask at the demand of the state has become the single signifying behavior that exposes the level of obedience to power that is necessary in order for the ruling class to gain total control. This may seem to be a simplistic analysis, and in many ways it is, but it has served as the most important gauge of the psyche of the average citizen. This gauge has been the basis of many despicable policy decisions made by the rulers and their pawns in government. If the people can be made to obey on command totally ridiculous mandates, orders that are completely illogical on their face, then they can be easily fooled into giving up their freedom. This is done through fear mongering, even in light of the fact that there is nothing to fear. It is all illusion, and therefore it is clear that it is simply a staged ploy meant to gain acquiescence from the masses, so that power can be gained and control solidified.”

https://www.lewrockwell.com/2020/12/gary-d-barnett/a-masked-society-is-a-slave-society/

289597 Tom Blackburn, 11, #864 of 1952 🔗

Simon Dolan Case Update

An application for permission to appeal to the Supreme Court has been filed by our lawyers

289598 Freecumbria, 4, #865 of 1952 🔗

Another shout out for the ‘ How we conquer cancel culture ‘ video in today’s ‘finally’ section

Definitely worth saying thank you to everyone involved with producing the lockdown skeptics website and material. The cancel culture applied to lockdown skepticism does reflect similar issues seen in the wider cancel culture environment.

289600 calchas, replying to calchas, 3, #866 of 1952 🔗

“What if thousands of healthcare workers are vaccinated first and have side effects and are in sick bay all at the same time. It could be a catastrophe.”
https://www.lewrockwell.com/2020/12/no_author/covid-19-vaccination-the-big-ifs/

289606 ▶▶ mattghg, replying to calchas, 4, #867 of 1952 🔗

The NHS would be overwhelmed(R) again! We’d have to lock down!

289613 ▶▶ Charlie Blue, replying to calchas, 2, #868 of 1952 🔗

Which is probably why they changed their minds about doing that.

289778 ▶▶ George Mc, replying to calchas, #869 of 1952 🔗

“It could be a catastrophe.”

Or mission accomplished?

289603 Miss Owl, 4, #870 of 1952 🔗

Some of those numbers in the ‘priority list’ for the vaccine are extremely specific (2,325,296 75 and over, for example). I’m betting that by the time they’ve vaxxed all those in the first group (older residents in care homes, and ‘care workers’) they will have used up a darn sight more vaxxes than the 1,098,000 they *think* they need there. I believe there are a ton of unregistered ‘care home workers’ – especially among the agencies – that they simply don’t know exist.

289604 Tom Blackburn, -3, #871 of 1952 🔗
289605 PWL, 9, #872 of 1952 🔗

“Such was the evident worry had by UK Government about a refusal by NHS staff – lots of whom will be women being capable of bringing a baby to term – to be amongst the first to be given the vaccine, that plans were changed, not long after the approval by the MHRA, to remove the requirement that health service personnel be vaccinated in the initial roll out.”
Forget Dangerous Infertility Causing Vaccines, Covid-19 Is Prevented By The Humble Pineapple (Say Researchers)

289610 Joseph, replying to Joseph, 21, #873 of 1952 🔗

Just read this comment on Reddit which I found interesting, though obviously a cOnSPirACy ThEoRiST sOCIoPatH…

Take the worlds most common virus. Name a variant. Fail to ever isolate said virus. Create test that exists in such a manner as to nearly guarantee a “positive.” Don’t even bother to have a standard number of cycles for this test. The more the better. Positive doesn’t mean “infected” but count it as a “case” anyway. Use “cases” to justify draconian lock downs of small business and workers. Create massive poverty and unemployment. All while printing money to inflate asset prices held by the worlds wealthiest. Scare the shit out of everyone daily. Non stop media coverage. Deaths. Cases. Cases. Deaths. Rush a vaccine. Skip animal trials. Who needs those? Steal an election and profit off a mandatory product. A product technology which no variant of (mRna vax) has ever “worked” or “worked” without obscenely dire consequences. It’s just human lives after all.”

289624 ▶▶ calchas, replying to Joseph, 1, #874 of 1952 🔗

Yes – How to manufacture an epidemic in ten easy steps.

289635 ▶▶ G.Fawkes, replying to Joseph, 5, #875 of 1952 🔗

I was on BioNTec’s site earlier, and much of their mRNA work is focused on cancer treatment. Imagine the money that would pour in for a cancer cure. Now why would anyone be interested in the mass uptake and acceptence of this new gene therapy technology I wonder?…….

289713 ▶▶▶ Kevin 2, replying to G.Fawkes, 2, #876 of 1952 🔗

Customers for life..
Moderna are doing the same.

290917 ▶▶▶▶ richard riewer, replying to Kevin 2, #877 of 1952 🔗

980,000 to MHRA by Gates Foundation just before they recommended Pfizer vaccine: Dr Vernon Coleman.

290915 ▶▶▶ richard riewer, replying to G.Fawkes, #878 of 1952 🔗
289856 ▶▶ Andrew K, replying to Elaine Coulson, #880 of 1952 🔗

Very powerful video by all these doctors, I will re-ports this link as I think many have missed it.

289618 Andrew K, 5, #881 of 1952 🔗

HI Guys, I need some volunteers all for the cause. Who’s up for a bit of anti Covid BS trolling? Yes it’s one thing posting on here and it’s great to be among so many like minded people, but we are the un-brainwashed ones. We need to be preacing to the unconverted.
There a financial share deal website called https://uk.advfn.com it has different share chat rooms on just about every stock market listed stock out there. Thousands of posters on frequent these boards. I’ve been on here for over 15 years and get to know many posters. Anyway I’ve found it virtually impossible to change peoples views on this covid bollox. This is where I need your help where we can work as a team to spread the word and help change some of these peoples view and fear over this, by posting links to facts and arguing are cause.

There are some stocks that have done well out of covid one spings to mind is Novacyt (Ticker:NCYT) selling these PCR test. Most of the pharma’s etc.. Once I have a list of willing volunteers then I can discuss the next plan of action, maybe only need 10/15mins of your time. Your country needs you…

289622 tonyspurs, 5, #882 of 1952 🔗

Absolutely shameful and disgusting lockdown zealots hang your heads in shame for supporting this ,no point in telling the government they have no sense of shame
https://youtu.be/k5ulGPCIQDk

289628 Steve Hayes, replying to Steve Hayes, 18, #883 of 1952 🔗

Does anyone understand the official position on the vaccine? I find the narrative confusing. As far as I can tell, the official position is:

  • The vaccine does not confer immunity.
  • The vaccine is safe and effective (Pfizer said so).
  • Everyone should take the vaccine.
  • The vaccine will provide herd immunity.
  • Anyone who does not take the vaccine is selfish, stupid, ignorant or misled, and presents a danger to the vaccinated.
  • Anyone who dissents from the official narrative should be censored, and possibly criminalised.
  • The vaccine will not be mandatory.
  • The vaccinated will be given proof of their vaccination status and should carry it with them at all times.

Can anyone explain this?

289632 ▶▶ Joseph, replying to Steve Hayes, 14, #884 of 1952 🔗

Being kept vague. 6 months immunity apparently I read today but also heard it’s unclear if it protects other people from catching it from you LOL.

It’s all a scam – at best to make a lot of money and move wealth from small business to the big corps, at worst something far more sinister – and I would like to hope even people who consider themselves lockdown sceptics but aren’t fully aware of it being much more than just ‘incompetence’ to get with the programme quickly.

This website has been amazing but it does err on the side of the government being “idiots”. People need to realise some ‘conspiracy theories’ are actually ‘conspiracy facts ‘.

289638 ▶▶▶ Steve Hayes, replying to Joseph, 4, #885 of 1952 🔗

Pfizer do not say it grants immunity. The say it reduces the severity of the symptoms.

289643 ▶▶▶▶ steve_w, replying to Steve Hayes, 5, #886 of 1952 🔗

so the infected will be up and about spreading it to others?

289646 ▶▶▶▶▶ Charlie Blue, replying to steve_w, 6, #887 of 1952 🔗

Well, that’s the justification for eternal mask-wearing and distancing!

289940 ▶▶▶▶▶ Rowan, replying to steve_w, 1, #888 of 1952 🔗

Yes the vaccinated will become the first real super spreaders. Then they will say that the only way to deal with this, is to inject everybody with a hardly tested vaccine, which doesn’t confer any immunity. You know it makes sense. Just say no to the vaccine.

289710 ▶▶▶▶ Ben, replying to Steve Hayes, #889 of 1952 🔗

The opposite from the Michael Yeadon & Wolfgang Wodarg article I’ve read

289935 ▶▶▶ Rowan, replying to Joseph, 1, #890 of 1952 🔗

At best it makes a lot of money, at worst it will be genocidal over the medium to longer term.

289651 ▶▶ G.Fawkes, replying to Steve Hayes, 18, #891 of 1952 🔗

Just shut up and take it you tin foil swivel eyed anti-vaxer loon. It’s perfectly safe otherwise the government wouldn’t have allowed it. The scientists know what they are doing. It’s for the greater good. Are you a scientist? No. Then shut up and take it. We’re in the middle of a pandemic crisis. Do you want everyone to die? It will be your fault. So sick of these conspiracy theorists frightening normal people away from a perfectly safe vaccine. You should be ashamed of yourself. So selfish.

289655 ▶▶▶ George L, replying to G.Fawkes, 5, #892 of 1952 🔗

Ok.. ok.. I’m having two shots asap!

289776 ▶▶▶▶ George Mc, replying to George L, #893 of 1952 🔗

Two shots will just cancel out. You’ll need to take a third!

289653 ▶▶ James007, replying to Steve Hayes, 9, #894 of 1952 🔗

I dont think we know yet whether it confers immunity.
When I told my wife that, she was very shocked, ‘so what is the point of rolling it out to everyone – when most will recover naturally?’
It it is the case, it only makes sense to give it to those who are vulnerable from the virus.

289709 ▶▶▶ Kevin 2, replying to James007, 2, #895 of 1952 🔗

It never had anything to do with ‘sense’…
If sense had anything to do with it, there would be national screening to see who already has cross-reactive T-cell immunity from prior exposure to any coronavirus.
Or SARS-CoV-2 specific immunity from exposure to the ‘rona.
And that would probably be 80% of the population. Who would therefore derive no benefit from the vaccine.

Therefore such screening will be ‘verboten’ in perpetuity.

289693 ▶▶ Kevin 2, replying to Steve Hayes, 2, #896 of 1952 🔗

Hell, even Prof Karol Sikora can be heard saying that the Covid jab will likely become an annual ‘offering’ like the flu shot, as if that was a neat, simple, and acceptable solution.

289831 ▶▶▶ Ben, replying to Kevin 2, 1, #897 of 1952 🔗

Karol Sikora is controlled opposition. Lockdowns are terrible he says. Take the vaccine he says

289772 ▶▶ George Mc, replying to Steve Hayes, 1, #898 of 1952 🔗

“Everyone should take the vaccine.”

That will change!

“The vaccine will provide herd immunity.”

I presume that “herd immunity” is no longer a swear term?

290009 ▶▶▶ Steve Hayes, replying to George Mc, 2, #899 of 1952 🔗

You’re not supposed to remember what they said previously. You are just supposed to believe and repeat the narrative of the day.

290578 ▶▶▶▶ Cranmer, replying to Steve Hayes, #900 of 1952 🔗

As Auden puts it, ‘he held the proper opinions for the time of year.’

289905 ▶▶ HelzBelz, replying to Steve Hayes, #901 of 1952 🔗

How does it not confer immunity but provides herd immunity?

I thought herd immunity wasn’t a thing anyway – Wankcock said so!

290008 ▶▶▶ Steve Hayes, replying to HelzBelz, #902 of 1952 🔗

I was asking for the official claims to be explained because they are so contradictory as to be senseless. The problem is so many people seem unable to notice the contradictions.

289639 AnotherSceptic, replying to AnotherSceptic, 7, #903 of 1952 🔗

Just to keep up the scaremongering, this time a fit & healthy 23 year old…

https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/scottish-news/fit-healthy-scots-woman-23-23126503

Good old “Long Covid” with a special mention on all the “selfish” people who are having parties & mixing etc.

289648 ▶▶ Victoria, replying to AnotherSceptic, 6, #904 of 1952 🔗

How gullible. It is only post viral syndrome (aka yuppie flu) easily fixed by fixing nutrient status

289690 ▶▶▶ James007, replying to Victoria, 12, #905 of 1952 🔗

If a small number of people very sadly experience longer term symptoms of seasonal viruses, it is reasonable to think the same would be the case with Covid.
No basis for destroying lives of everyone, with measures which until this year were unthinkable.

289650 ▶▶ James007, replying to AnotherSceptic, 13, #906 of 1952 🔗

Is ‘long covid’ the same thing as ‘post-viral’ fatigue, which is noted in cases of what used to be called ME, or CFS?

289654 ▶▶▶ Victoria, replying to James007, 6, #907 of 1952 🔗

yes

289663 ▶▶▶ Margaret, replying to James007, 5, #908 of 1952 🔗

And yuppie flu!

289921 ▶▶▶▶ Rowan, replying to Margaret, 1, #909 of 1952 🔗

And the after effects of seasonal flu.

289766 ▶▶▶ Fiona Walker, replying to James007, 1, #910 of 1952 🔗

Course it is, I’ve had it and at no time did I expect the world to stop for me, I just wanted to get better so I could rejoin it!

289890 ▶▶▶▶ annie, replying to Fiona Walker, 2, #911 of 1952 🔗

Same here. I dragged myself around for six weeks with Long Flu. Then I got well. End of.

289675 ▶▶ Kevin 2, replying to AnotherSceptic, 3, #912 of 1952 🔗

Sebastian Rushworth is excellent on many of the issues, particularly anything Sweden.
Sane, rational analysis always.
(Suggest signing up for email notifications of any of his new articles)

Here he is on ‘Long Covid’:-

https://sebastianrushworth.com/2020/11/17/what-is-long-covid/

289731 ▶▶ Ceriain, replying to AnotherSceptic, 6, #913 of 1952 🔗

first bedridden with suspected Covid-19 in March

So, never tested. Sounds like BS to me.

289652 godowneasy, replying to godowneasy, 30, #914 of 1952 🔗

The calm before the storm

After months of successful psychological warfare, the shooting war starts tomorrow in the UK literally. So why is everything so apparently calm? I can’t be the only one who is filled with dread at what could potentially happen to elderly care home residents. We could be on the brink of a mass disaster and virtually no-one in the mainstream is raising any concerns. It’s scary and surreal.

According the BBC, “With limited quantities initially available, elderly people who are already attending hospital as an outpatient, as well as those who are being discharged after a hospital stay, will be among the first to receive the jab.” So the first wave of the experimental mRNA vaccine will be given to those elderly people who are actually sick and therefore need hospital treatment. Precisely the cohort of people that the vaccine has NOT been tested on. What could possibly go wrong?

So what happens to those who refuse? Will they be chucked out of their care home? Will they be denied hospital treatment? What happens to those who are vaccinated in hospital who suffer serious side-effects or worse? This is total madness. FFS – Am I going (more) insane?

289666 ▶▶ Kevin 2, replying to godowneasy, 9, #915 of 1952 🔗

Nope; you are the sane one.
That’s a new one I hadn’t thought of. Vaccine status used to gatekeep any other hospital treatment.
But it’s not mandatory….

289673 ▶▶▶ Tom Blackburn, replying to Kevin 2, 1, #916 of 1952 🔗

How much to go private?

289692 ▶▶▶ godowneasy, replying to Kevin 2, 3, #917 of 1952 🔗

that must be a strong possibility – treatment is already being denied without a negative test result for covid

289757 ▶▶▶ George Mc, replying to Kevin 2, 3, #918 of 1952 🔗

“it’s not mandatory”

Yeah right. They didn’t spend the last 9 months giving us the zombie holocaust script to ask us. I mean – Good God man! Don’t you know there’s a war on? The lives of all depend on it!

289708 ▶▶ Neil Hartley, replying to godowneasy, 5, #919 of 1952 🔗

Those who die from the vaccine will be counted as Covid-19 deaths.

289768 ▶▶▶ George Mc, replying to Neil Hartley, 3, #920 of 1952 🔗

Well knowing how “fruitful” the statistics have been, I’m guessing every death from the vaccine will be classed as both a vaccine death and a covid death. And then the vaccine bit will be dropped so it counts as two covid deaths.

289911 ▶▶▶▶ Jay Berger, replying to George Mc, 1, #921 of 1952 🔗

Covid will be eradicated by standardizing the PCR test to 24ct.
The vaccine alone will of course be credited fot that.
Vaccine deaths will be credited to people’s comorbidities/other illnesses.
The infamous head of the German RKI, Lothar Wieler, has
already laid the groundwork for that in public.
No autopsies for Covid deaths allowed, but mandatory for anyone else at risk of having
otherwise been labelled a vaccine death.

289719 ▶▶ kh1485, replying to godowneasy, 7, #922 of 1952 🔗

And who is there to defend those who don’t have families? I was horrified to hear Esther Rantzen the other day proclaim that the roll-out of the vaccine was a good thing.

289922 ▶▶▶ Rowan, replying to kh1485, 2, #923 of 1952 🔗

Esther has a lot in common with Jacinda Adern. Esther should go first.

289740 ▶▶ Pebbles, replying to godowneasy, 12, #924 of 1952 🔗

No, you are not insane. You are completely sane.

The question is how much needs to happen for the wider public to wake up to the giant scam that the response to this “pandemic” actually is?

After the government pushed elderly people still with Covid symptoms out of hospitals back into care homes in spring, which weren’t properly equipped for a pesky virus situation, and allowed the virus to go rampant there, we are now allowing said government to use nana, pop et al as living guinea pigs for a never before tested vaccine and are now even denying them the liberty to say NO THANK YOU?

What it will take for the wider public to understand that this is practically genocide of the elderly? How deep down in the bucket of cognitive dissonance can people keep their heads, and for how long?

Absolute despair.

289753 ▶▶▶ godowneasy, replying to Pebbles, 1, #925 of 1952 🔗

Fully agree – sadly this looks unstoppable.

289924 ▶▶▶ Rowan, replying to Pebbles, 1, #926 of 1952 🔗

Yes it was genocide of the elderly and now the vaccines are coming for the rest of us.

289748 ▶▶ Bella Donna, replying to godowneasy, 3, #927 of 1952 🔗

I hope the care home owners are prepared for a lot of grief if the elderly start dying off.

289930 ▶▶▶ Rowan, replying to Bella Donna, 4, #928 of 1952 🔗

It is the government who are chiefly to blame. They killed around 40,000 old folk to save the NHS from having to do its job and people were clapping about it.

289809 ▶▶ Jonathan Palmer, replying to godowneasy, 1, #929 of 1952 🔗

It hasn’t even been tested on the cohort that it will used on.What could possibly go wrong?
It is indicative of our attitude to the elderly in this country.Put in care homes and forgotten about.
Remember we all get old if we are lucky and this will be our future too.

289904 ▶▶ Jay Berger, replying to godowneasy, 1, #930 of 1952 🔗

Guinea pigs.
And our ethics professors are fine with it.
As they were and are with tens if not hundreds of millions of people sent to death in the 3rd world through our lockdowns alone.
Next up their carers, but then, we won’t need them for the next 30 years if all the old folk have been killed off.
If the politicians&co get the real stuff, that’ll be the only positive out
of that, no reason to worry but one to celebrate.
It’ll be tough for us survivors to make do without all the other key workers like doctors etc. though.
Vaccinating them first is the epitome of recklessness and stupidity, born, as usual, out of over-confidence due to ignoring the risks and critics.

289987 ▶▶▶ godowneasy, replying to Jay Berger, #931 of 1952 🔗

Completely agree – but I still don’t get how medics will be able to bring themselves to take part in this. Qualified medical professionals are supposed to be intelligent and they have a moral duty of care – I’m hoping that sufficient numbers will refuse to risk the lives of their patients.

289656 Ceriain, replying to Ceriain, 19, #932 of 1952 🔗

Sorry if discussed already; just saw it and had to post.

First off, I don’t believe any of the polls flying about at the moment. However, let’s for a moment take those polls discussed above the line as being accurate.

Some 45% say they are “ actively scared ” about contracting the disease every time they go outside – and half thought the England-wide lockdown ended too soon on December 2nd.

This does my head in! 45% !! These people are insane?!

My congratulations to the Government’s fear machine, aided by the MSM spreading their propaganda; you’ve done a superb job.

45% ? I’m simply dumbfounded! 🙁

289668 ▶▶ Tom Blackburn, replying to Ceriain, 8, #933 of 1952 🔗

Is it physically possible to remain scared for a full 9 months?

289697 ▶▶▶ Aslangeo, replying to Tom Blackburn, 4, #934 of 1952 🔗

Being scared witless for nine months will certainly not be good for anyone’s mental state or judgment. These people are now incapable of rational thought

289742 ▶▶▶ Bella Donna, replying to Tom Blackburn, #935 of 1952 🔗

Actually I doubt it. You’d be a nervous wreck at the end of 9 months, a blubbering wreck!

289874 ▶▶▶▶ annie, replying to Bella Donna, 1, #936 of 1952 🔗

They are blubbering wrecks. I’ve seen them. Surely you have too?

289677 ▶▶ Andrew K, replying to Ceriain, 13, #937 of 1952 🔗

Unfortunately these polls are heavily biased toward the whole covid fera narrative. I was asked to take part in a poll and quit after the fist question that asked how scared I was of the virus, no option for not at all.

289704 ▶▶▶ Neil Hartley, replying to Andrew K, 2, #938 of 1952 🔗

Exactly the point I made above.

289680 ▶▶ calchas, replying to Ceriain, 5, #939 of 1952 🔗

It is bollocks – utter bollocks.

If they are ‘actively scared’ when they go outside, then I want to know how often they go outside,

290561 ▶▶▶ Cranmer, replying to calchas, #940 of 1952 🔗

Yes it’s meaningless – what does ‘actively scared’ mean anyway? As opposed to what – ‘inactively scared’?

289682 ▶▶ leggy, replying to Ceriain, 14, #941 of 1952 🔗

I heard from a friend yesterday (who has a doctorate, so is not “stupid”), that they are self isolating for 2 weeks before visiting their parents for Christmas. There’s nothing wrong with them by the way, they’re just terrified of killing their parents.

This is what the media have done to people.

289721 ▶▶▶ Sam Vimes, replying to leggy, 6, #942 of 1952 🔗

So, two weeks’ isolation gives you permanent immunity, does it? Not to mention preventing you passing it on. No need for that vaccine then. Doctorate??

289749 ▶▶▶▶ leggy, replying to Sam Vimes, 1, #943 of 1952 🔗

Indeed, applying logic doesn’t appear come into anything any more. Once the seed of fear is implanted in people like my friend’s mind, it’s often impossible to reason with them.

289751 ▶▶▶ FlynnQuill, replying to leggy, 4, #944 of 1952 🔗

Doctorate in what? Stupidity?

289833 ▶▶▶▶ leggy, replying to FlynnQuill, #945 of 1952 🔗

I sometimes wonder. It’s actually something to do with plants, so clearly very relevant to their decision making! Not.

289881 ▶▶▶▶▶ annie, replying to leggy, 1, #946 of 1952 🔗

Doctorate in Cowslip Studies.

290565 ▶▶▶▶▶ Cranmer, replying to leggy, 1, #947 of 1952 🔗

Doctorate in being a vegetable?

289807 ▶▶▶ Alan P, replying to leggy, 3, #948 of 1952 🔗

In my experience the more medically qualified or scientifically trained a person is, seems to make them more Covid fearing than anyone else. I’ve had doctorate level persons try and argue that face masks are efficient. They even sent me a wedge of papers to prove their belief as evidence. When I pointed out that words like “perhaps”, “may”, “ could” were not the strongest scientific terms in a study, they have since not spoken to me!

289852 ▶▶▶▶ leggy, replying to Alan P, 1, #949 of 1952 🔗

That’s my experience too. One would think that these people would be capable of analysing actual data rather than being suckered by fear porn, but the evidence seems to suggest they can’t. I wonder if it’s a blind faith in science, even if elements of that scientific community are clearly a) lying b) wrong.

290276 ▶▶▶▶ Noumenon, replying to Alan P, 1, #950 of 1952 🔗

It’s because they aren’t in fact ‘scientifically’ trained. They are trained to pass exams and that usually involves regurgitation.

289822 ▶▶▶ Ben, replying to leggy, 1, #951 of 1952 🔗

They are stupid

289836 ▶▶▶▶ jb12, replying to Ben, 1, #952 of 1952 🔗

Stupid is as stupid does.

289908 ▶▶▶ A. Contrarian, replying to leggy, 1, #953 of 1952 🔗

I actually don’t mind this necessarily, especially if the parents are particularly elderly or vulnerable. Isolating voluntarily for 2 weeks so they all feel better seems OK, if it doesn’t bother them to do it. Being forced to isolate is a different matter. And at least they are “risking” the visit – lots aren’t.

290284 ▶▶▶▶ leggy, replying to A. Contrarian, #954 of 1952 🔗

Granted, but we don’t all hide for two weeks before visiting parents during typical respiratory illness seasons.

289929 ▶▶▶ Nobody2020, replying to leggy, 1, #955 of 1952 🔗

Imagine if the parents died anyway.

  1. If death was from the virus would they say at least it wasn’t their fault?
  2. If death was from something else would they say at least it wasn’t COVID?
290563 ▶▶▶ Cranmer, replying to leggy, 1, #956 of 1952 🔗

Let’s hope they don’t have to stop at any motorway services on the way then…oops just used a lavatory used by 2,000 other people today…

289700 ▶▶ Neil Hartley, replying to Ceriain, 5, #957 of 1952 🔗

The poll results are pointless without the context of the question posed.

289722 ▶▶▶ Ceriain, replying to Neil Hartley, #958 of 1952 🔗

I’m aware of that, Neil; see the caveat in my second sentence.

289888 ▶▶▶ annie, replying to Neil Hartley, 1, #959 of 1952 🔗

Indeed. One Welsh poll asked how many days in jail were necessary as punishment for Christmas. The lowest you could choose was 5.

289755 ▶▶ TheBigman, replying to Ceriain, 2, #960 of 1952 🔗

I didn’t think anyone believed these polls. They are all wrong. If they are that scared, stay inside. Then again the polls got Brexit and Trump wrong.

289758 ▶▶ VickyA, replying to Ceriain, 4, #961 of 1952 🔗

Just had conversation with operator as was booking a service- was bemoaning that couldn’t have grandparents round at Christmas- said it was only “one”, me about to despair but then she piped up about her kid freezing at school, so I said how stupid was that government advice? Sitting by open windows invites colds and flu. She agreed. When nothing else gets through sowing subtle seeds of doubt still count as small victories for me.

289657 Stuart, replying to Stuart, 19, #962 of 1952 🔗

Brilliant “I am NHS Covid Vaccinated” badges on ebay. Wear one and take the piss.

As for the masked and fearful lumpencovidariat, the sooner they have the real deal the better. The infertility ingredient will thin out their numbers in due course if the polyethylene glycol component doesn’t do for them right away.

289685 ▶▶ Kev, replying to Stuart, 3, #963 of 1952 🔗

Yeah anti-freeze is good for you, no doubt about that!

289872 ▶▶▶ annie, replying to Kev, 1, #964 of 1952 🔗

It is, or was, a key ingredient of Austrian white wine. Not thought to be a good idea when the fact came to light some years ago.

289683 OKUK, replying to OKUK, 11, #965 of 1952 🔗

AMERICAGHAST

The podcast that tells you the stuff the comedy duo Jon and Ems don’t want you to know about…

Special bulletin…

1. We now know the identity of the mystery man in the video of the secret middle-of-the-night count qin Fulton County, Georgia (thought to be the source of the huge 98% Biden vote spike that handed him the state, conducted with no part monitors present). He is a senior election official (Registration Officer ). Not just any old official either. He was previously implicated in another election scandal. Despite being a state official, he has his own consultancy firm. The firm just happened to be taken on by a candidate in a Mayoral run-off. His firm got $3,500 and she got elected!

So this stinks to high heaven but nothing to suggest that the DOJ or FBI have any interest in the matter.

2. In the UK there is now virtually 100% censorship of fraud evidence in the US elections, coupled with the relentless continuing anti-Trump propaganda. If you want to get up to speed on what’s really been happening I suggest you visit Gateway Pundit which has the best resources I think.

289764 ▶▶ RickH, replying to OKUK, -4, #966 of 1952 🔗

… but who gives a flying f. about competing US fraudsters a blog that’s supposed to be about Covid?

289866 ▶▶▶ annie, replying to RickH, #967 of 1952 🔗

I’m sick of it, too.

290024 ▶▶▶▶ OKUK, replying to annie, 3, #968 of 1952 🔗

…but you’re not disgusted by the fraud or that Covid was weaponised to bring down Trump while a complicit media ignored the ample evidence of Biden family corruption.

290019 ▶▶▶ OKUK, replying to RickH, 4, #969 of 1952 🔗

I believe and I think many people that Trump’s fight is our fight. It is part of a wider struggle against no borders globalism and its attempt to create a world fit for billionaires with no loyalties. In a war you don’t always choose your allies.

There is absolutely no doubt the Democrats and the MSM weaponised Covid, masks, lockdown and resultant economic chaos to bring down Trump. But they also participated in organised electoral fraud. If you’re OK with that, fine, but most of us aren’t I would hazard.

You’ve made the claim before that the Republicans are just as guilty of electoral fraud as the Democrats but have supplied no evidence to back up the claim.

289688 Neil Hartley, replying to Neil Hartley, 18, #970 of 1952 🔗

The latest nonsense, this time from David Lloyds. On re-opening they sent members an e-mail encouraging people to wear masks around the facility (but not when working out). I emailed them and asked if that included going from the changing room to a Spin class and, if so, what people were meant to do with their masks during the class – “hang them on their handlebars?” I jested. Of course, that’s exactly what’s happening based on my first class back today. Filthy, disgusting people hanging germ sodden bits of cloth on equipment. In the name of what? My despair is almost complete.

289714 ▶▶ calchas, replying to Neil Hartley, 2, #971 of 1952 🔗

The good news is that it means they don’t rally believe the nonsense.

290027 ▶▶ Gill, replying to Neil Hartley, #972 of 1952 🔗

I had the same email. I’ve been to my local DL gym several times since it reopened and am pleased to say most members seem to be ignoring it!

289689 TheBigman, replying to TheBigman, 5, #973 of 1952 🔗

YOU SHOULD READ THIS.

https://childrenshealthdefense.org/news/components-of-mrna-technology-could-lead-to-significant-adverse-events-in-one-or-more-of-our-clinical-trials-says-moderna/

Also, the AstraZeneca vaccine contains human foetal tissue. Why would you wan that injected into you?

Section II.1.4 of this.

https://ted.europa.eu/udl?uri=TED:NOTICE:506291-2020:TEXT:EN:HTML&src=0

No doubt any adverse reactions will be blamed on COVID and thus the govt will double down on more people being vaccinated. Along with the well known adverse reactions regarding sterilisation, do you think the govt cares? No.

TAKE BACK YOUR LIBERTY!

289706 ▶▶ Charlie Blue, replying to TheBigman, 1, #974 of 1952 🔗

What is your source for your belief about human foetal tissue, Bigman?

289720 ▶▶▶ 6097 Smith W, replying to Charlie Blue, 2, #975 of 1952 🔗

It’s on the ingredients list actually it’s a culture grown from foetal tissue which is not quite the same thing

289737 ▶▶▶▶ calchas, replying to 6097 Smith W, 1, #976 of 1952 🔗

“It’s a culture grown from foetal tissue”

Much as the new cells of your body grow from your already existing bodily tissues.

I wouldn’t quibble.

289739 ▶▶▶▶ Charlie Blue, replying to 6097 Smith W, #977 of 1952 🔗

Yes, that’s what I understand to be the case, but I wondered if others had different information that I was unaware of.

289716 ▶▶ Gerry Mandarin, replying to TheBigman, 1, #978 of 1952 🔗

Didn’t think they used that any more. Too many problems with autoimmune problems.

289691 Neil Hartley, replying to Neil Hartley, 34, #979 of 1952 🔗

2 people were laughing in Sainsbury’s last week. What did we both have in common? Neither of us was wearing a mask. One worker, one customer. The rest of the shop were heads down in their miserable trudge.

289729 ▶▶ kh1485, replying to Neil Hartley, 12, #980 of 1952 🔗

Yeah, they don’t like you laughing do they. Got a few stern looks yesterday from a couple who heard some laughter in our shop. No, you can’t laugh in COVID Britain.

289736 ▶▶▶ Bella Donna, replying to kh1485, 5, #981 of 1952 🔗

Laughing, talking, singing, touching, all frowned upon now.

289743 ▶▶▶▶ Sam Vimes, replying to Bella Donna, 4, #982 of 1952 🔗

Don’t forget breathing and eye-contact.

289871 ▶▶▶▶▶ JHuntz, replying to Sam Vimes, 2, #983 of 1952 🔗

and any form of fun and enjoyment

289860 ▶▶▶▶ annie, replying to Bella Donna, 2, #984 of 1952 🔗

Which is why I do all of these things.

289850 ▶▶▶ annie, replying to kh1485, 4, #985 of 1952 🔗

I take great delight in scattering the zombie hordes by singing carols in the street.

289695 Richard O, replying to Richard O, 15, #986 of 1952 🔗

What has happened in 2020 has been coming for decades. It did not emerge out of the blue this year. The harsh reality is that ultimately we have only ourselves to blame, and totally deserve every bit of the shitstorm coming our way.

289727 ▶▶ calchas, replying to Richard O, 13, #987 of 1952 🔗

A seeming paradox in some ways but not really:

Several decades ago the scam would not have been possible because people would have looked around them at their daily environment and noticed nothing special going on.Decades of TV and now Internet have accustomed the masses to looking at the world through a screen.

That same Internet provides all the information needed to deconstruct this hoax, but the elite has now spent 10 years herding most people within the walled gardens of Facbook and other social media.

289735 ▶▶▶ Richard O, replying to calchas, 7, #988 of 1952 🔗

Every step of the way we have willing embraced every aspect of the panopticon that is now being built by and for us. Our wilful ignorance of the gathering storm throughout this process is now coming home to roost. We got ourselves into this mess, so it stands to reason that only we can get ourselves out of it.

289926 ▶▶▶ Victoria, replying to calchas, 2, #989 of 1952 🔗

Yes the people have been groomed – start with the young in schools with over the top health & safety (nursery kids doing a risk assessment of the leaves outside), group think, over protective parents. Then introduce social media and give everyone a smart phone and you got there.

289846 ▶▶ annie, replying to Richard O, 3, #990 of 1952 🔗

I don’t.

289696 AnotherSceptic, replying to AnotherSceptic, 3, #991 of 1952 🔗

From El Presidente’s Daily Propaganda briefing she has said this…

The First Minister appeals to Scots not to “drop their guard” now the end of the pandemic can be seen by next year.

She says everyone should ensure they are following the rules that are in place in their area, including not visiting others at home, as well as following the give basic FACTS rules.

289702 ▶▶ dpj, replying to AnotherSceptic, 5, #992 of 1952 🔗

She’s also still going on about how the latest restrictions have brought down the number of cases and have been a huge success. 🤦‍♂️

289707 ▶▶ Ben, replying to AnotherSceptic, 11, #993 of 1952 🔗

The same lies they fed us at the beginning

289913 ▶▶ Ceriain, replying to AnotherSceptic, 2, #994 of 1952 🔗

She doesn’t tell them that only 27 people under the age of 45 have died, I’ll bet.

290028 ▶▶ stefarm, replying to AnotherSceptic, 2, #995 of 1952 🔗

I reckon she filmed all of these in January and somebody just presses play on the VCR in St Andrews house.

Fucking groundhog day

289712 Basics, replying to Basics, 6, #996 of 1952 🔗

Vaccine card crown sprouts out of colour purple. See starmers tie above, IMF colour during The Future We Want presentation in OCT 2020 where USA delegate William? Powell wore the same purple. Boris speaking at pulpit telling of forth coming roll out also had the colour.

Just saying. No idea what fashion is these days.

289718 ▶▶ Darryl, replying to Basics, #997 of 1952 🔗

I understood that it does mean something to some people.

289724 ▶▶▶ Kev, replying to Darryl, 1, #998 of 1952 🔗

Purple ink is meant to be only used by Royalty

289842 ▶▶▶▶ annie, replying to Kev, #999 of 1952 🔗

And Bilbo Baggins,

289949 ▶▶▶▶ Graham3, replying to Kev, #1000 of 1952 🔗

And octopi?

289797 ▶▶ anon, replying to Basics, #1001 of 1952 🔗

purple you say?

289841 ▶▶ annie, replying to Basics, #1002 of 1952 🔗

Order of the Purple Fart.

289948 ▶▶ mjr, replying to Basics, 2, #1003 of 1952 🔗

When I am an old woman I shall wear purple
With a red hat that doesn’t go, and doesn’t suit me,
And I shall spend my pension
on brandy and summer gloves
And satin sandals,
and say we’ve no money for butter…….

Jenny Joseph. see here for full poem

and i will not hide from the world because of covid and i certainly won’t have an untested vaccine…….

289725 Tim Bidie, replying to Tim Bidie, 30, #1004 of 1952 🔗

Meanwhile, at a bar, somewhere in Alexandria………

289730 ▶▶ FlynnQuill, replying to Tim Bidie, 2, #1005 of 1952 🔗

I watched this yesterday on Blu Ray, great film.

289733 ▶▶ Bella Donna, replying to Tim Bidie, 4, #1006 of 1952 🔗

I can imagine what that generation would think now!!

289774 ▶▶▶ calchas, replying to Bella Donna, 2, #1007 of 1952 🔗

Sylvia Sims is till alive – 86 years old – great film.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ouYKeeTz7Yw

289894 ▶▶▶ Jay Berger, replying to Bella Donna, 4, #1008 of 1952 🔗

As Lord Sumption said: my generation wouldn’t have accepted this.
It’s mainly the uber woke Gens Y and Z who can only think in herds but not for themselves.
If at all.

290541 ▶▶▶▶ Cranmer, replying to Jay Berger, 2, #1009 of 1952 🔗

All this wouldn’t have been technically possible a few years ago anyway – lockdowns could not have worked because, without the internet, it would have meant laying off millions of clerical workers.

289752 Ben, replying to Ben, 11, #1010 of 1952 🔗

I’ve been told there are gigantic demonstrations happening in India. General strikes. Millions protesting. The largest in human history apparently and the mainstream media are ignoring it

289771 ▶▶ calchas, replying to Ben, 3, #1011 of 1952 🔗

There were 120 million job losses in March and April . so yes – possible I would say, and understandable.

289811 ▶▶ calchas, replying to Ben, 4, #1012 of 1952 🔗

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SGZjivF3ajs

Farmers – dispossessing them is probably part of the agenda.

289754 Les Tricoteuses, replying to Les Tricoteuses, 11, #1013 of 1952 🔗

Roll up, roll up ladies and gentlemen don’t be worried! ! Enter the tent and see for yourself a genuine covid patient.
You sir, only £25 for 15 minutes. I guarantee you’ll catch it. Only the best strain of course, money back if you don’t! Safer than a jab, get your certification quicker, roll up, roll up.
What’s that madam? You’re worried? Never mind we do covid passports or vaccination papers, not as good as the real thing mind but very realistic. Roll up roll up.

289765 ▶▶ Stuart, replying to Les Tricoteuses, 4, #1014 of 1952 🔗

Covid Rejectionists:

Question. Disbelieve. Refute.

289756 godowneasy, replying to godowneasy, #1015 of 1952 🔗

Meanwhile, also in India. Looks fun.

289767 ▶▶ calchas, replying to godowneasy, 1, #1016 of 1952 🔗

Could be propaganda.

289759 garry a, replying to garry a, 37, #1017 of 1952 🔗

How many of us have had Covid? I’m guessing many of us on this site pay little regard to the covid rules on distancing, mask wearing, meeting family, etc. By consequence we should have a really high incidence of Covid. My whole family (Parents, 4 siblings, 12 kids) are rule breakers and none of us has had covid (or at least known we had it). I don’t even know anyone directly who’s had it. We’ve had parties, been on holiday, etc. Apparently we should all be dead by now! Anyone else in the same position?

289763 ▶▶ calchas, replying to garry a, 10, #1018 of 1952 🔗

Same here. I doubt it exists. Proof??

-and if it does, no big deal. Seasonal flu.

289769 ▶▶ Sodastream, replying to garry a, 7, #1019 of 1952 🔗

Yes same as you. husband, me, 3 children, my parents my brother, his wife their 2 children- none of us have had it and have carried on as normal as we can.

289770 ▶▶ Les Tricoteuses, replying to garry a, 9, #1020 of 1952 🔗

I know one person who caught it in hospital in march and a couple of others through work but that’s it , no serious problems or death

289958 ▶▶▶ Bill Grates, replying to Les Tricoteuses, 6, #1021 of 1952 🔗

You know someone who caught something in hospital, they presumably were told it was covid19.

The whole thing is a stitch up. The govt story is impervious to any factual scrutiny and they plough on with the agenda.

289775 ▶▶ Tom Blackburn, replying to garry a, 6, #1022 of 1952 🔗

Snap. I’ve even had a few tests (mandated for work/travel) and nothing, nada. It has “swept” through the office though – sore throats being the worst symptom.

290397 ▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Tom Blackburn, #1023 of 1952 🔗

A sorethroat is a potential symptom of COVID -19. But it’s less common than other symptoms , such as fever, cough, and fatigue.

https://www.healthline.com/health/sore-throat-coronavirus

289785 ▶▶ Sam Vimes, replying to garry a, 11, #1024 of 1952 🔗

Been meaning to do a “What if we…. Oh, wait we have” thing about this site, but you’ve just scuppered me Garry A! You are right, we have on this site male and female, all ages, various backgrounds/job types/retired, locations all over the UK and abroad, various religions (or not), various ethnicities, political leanings, sexualities – a genuine broad sample. And by definition, we are all rule breakers. We must surely all be dead from The Virus That Will Kill Us All ™. Maybe I’m typing this while dead, and just dreaming that I’m alive…

290404 ▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Sam Vimes, 1, #1025 of 1952 🔗

Bit of a nightmare!

289787 ▶▶ Nobody2020, replying to garry a, 8, #1026 of 1952 🔗

In 40+ years I’ve never had a flu vaccination and have never had the flu. In that same time nobody I’ve known anybody who has had the flu let alone die of it.

Maybe some people have had the flu and just not made a big deal of it so I wouldn’t know in those cases.

The point is if the flu has been around as long as I’ve been alive and I’ve never had it or known anybody who’s proclaimed they have had it. It’s really not that surprising that I don’t know anybody who’s had this virus over the space of 1 year.

I suspect there are many others in a similar position to me.

289889 ▶▶▶ Jay Berger, replying to Nobody2020, 10, #1027 of 1952 🔗

I am 55 and think I never had it.
I know someone who died of it in his 30s.
My father and mother and law got very seriously ill after a flu shot about ten years ago- the one were they admitted that they had different vaccines for politicians/celebrities and us.
Both never had another flu shot again.
My father will probably get the Corona shot, my mother in-law abhors it.
Not the least because one of her daughters, my sister in-law, became mentally handicapped through the smallpox vaccination in the mid 60s.
The doctors sold it to her as being due to her forceps delivery.
Which was ruled out by MRT scans etc. only 40 years later.
Unteustworthy Scum.
Most of them.

289918 ▶▶▶ Andrew K, replying to Nobody2020, 5, #1028 of 1952 🔗

I got flu when I was 20, must admit thought a was going to die, not very pleasant and I think I had Covid in March and yes I was scared at the time as there was mass hysteria about it then (But didn’t feel as bad when I had the flu 30 years earlier). My wife had a very bad cough in Feb and many of her work colleagues were off sick with similar symptoms between Dec-Feb. Long before they thought the virus was even in the country. But given none died and that there’s 68million other people in the UK who haven’t died of this I was shocked when we went into lockdown and have been a sceptic ever since.

290167 ▶▶▶▶ Cranmer, replying to Andrew K, 3, #1029 of 1952 🔗

I have had flu twice in my life. Both times laid up in bed for 2-4 weeks, no appetite, sleeping up to 16 hours a day. No energy even for reading or watching TV, just staring at the wall during waking hours. I do find it odd that we’ve effectively closed down the entire western world for something that by contrast seems for most people like a bad cold.

289791 ▶▶ Sarigan, replying to garry a, 13, #1030 of 1952 🔗

I have had it asymptomatically at least 20 times. Always coincided with a heavy night of drinking (must be due to lowered immune system as a result of the dreaded alcohol after 6pm).

289799 ▶▶▶ Sam Vimes, replying to Sarigan, 3, #1031 of 1952 🔗

What if your watch was wrong? You could die because it’s actually one minute past 6… We need swift government action, they should bring in a Covid Official Clock Keeper, employed by the Covid Unified National Time System.

289832 ▶▶▶ awildgoose, replying to Sarigan, 3, #1032 of 1952 🔗

Beer Flu!

290926 ▶▶▶▶ richard riewer, replying to awildgoose, #1033 of 1952 🔗

Mask Murder!

289864 ▶▶▶ Kevin 2, replying to Sarigan, 5, #1034 of 1952 🔗

Short Covid.

289794 ▶▶ Liam, replying to garry a, 6, #1035 of 1952 🔗

Personally, I don’t know anyone in my fairly wide circle of friends and family who has had any symptoms at all. I’ve ignored rules from the off, never owned a mask, and went to the pub pretty much every day for three months until they started the mask nonsense.

I know this proves nothing in itself.

289796 ▶▶ RickH, replying to garry a, 4, #1036 of 1952 🔗

Subjective experience can be misleading, but even in the April spike, the number of cases one came across within the population outside Care Homes was hardly extraordinary. We did have one family member in London, at the peak who did get a genuinely bad dose. But apart from that, it was no more noticeable than an average ‘flu epidemic that passes us by without much comment or personal encounter.

The general pattern of mortality certainly gives no indication of anything unusual happening since the end of the epidemic in June.

289849 ▶▶▶ RickH, replying to RickH, 1, #1037 of 1952 🔗

… and to add to that – worth saying that we haven’t inhibited ourselves with regard to contact – and I did the weekly supermarket shop normally right through the noticeable March-April infection period.

289854 ▶▶▶ JHuntz, replying to RickH, 3, #1038 of 1952 🔗

Often though when we get conflicting data the best source of reason is your subjective surroundings. In this instance the whole population would have to admit that they’ve had hardly any experiences of COVID. It’s incredible that tv and social media has created a reality (that people are buying) completely removed from real life.

289798 ▶▶ leggy, replying to garry a, 3, #1039 of 1952 🔗

Nothing in our household. My Mum was bedridden for a week in February with something nasty. Most ill she’s ever been she says. No idea what it was though.

289810 ▶▶ Ben, replying to garry a, 1, #1040 of 1952 🔗

I don’t know anyone who’s had it. Surreal really

289819 ▶▶▶ Ewan Duffy, replying to Ben, 3, #1041 of 1952 🔗

Same here. In Ireland, the normal 6 degrees of separation don’t apply – closer to 3 degrees of separation. As such, if this virus was as dangerous as its advocates make out, I’d have heard of many people infected. Total I have heard of – zero.

290379 ▶▶▶▶ Cranmer, replying to Ewan Duffy, 2, #1042 of 1952 🔗

Most people seem to explain this now with potentiality, ie, there may not be many deaths, but cases are on the increase and this has the potential to infect vulnerable people etc etc. The fact that there is very little evidence for this seems not to bother people. If you told them we all have to stay indoors because, potentially, a meteorite might land on our heads, it would make about as much sense.

289815 ▶▶ kh1485, replying to garry a, 12, #1043 of 1952 🔗

So agree. I deal with the public in my shop and even though most are wearing masks when they arrive, they have to take them off to drink/eat (the COVID is nice like that, it let’s you have morning coffee/lunch/afternoon tea).

It makes me laugh that they wear the masks outdoors but remove them in the (very dangerous) environs of my shop. And they do not get how idiotic this is. By rights, I would have either infected thousands of people by now or I should be dead. As far as I know, the former hasn’t happened and I don’t believe I am dead either (though I am surrounded by the living dead).

289829 ▶▶▶ awildgoose, replying to kh1485, 3, #1044 of 1952 🔗

kh-

I prefer to call them, “pod people,” but I share your sentiment.

289837 ▶▶▶ annie, replying to kh1485, 4, #1045 of 1952 🔗

You’re the best example of us all, kh.
Have any of your regular customers been carted off as covvicorpses? Doesn’t sound like it.

289909 ▶▶▶▶ kh1485, replying to annie, 4, #1046 of 1952 🔗

Not that I’m aware Annie. And I am sure that my mate at the Environmental Health would be down here like a flash if an outbreak had been tracked back to my revolting little hovel!

289861 ▶▶▶ JHuntz, replying to kh1485, 4, #1047 of 1952 🔗

I am going to presume you don’t wear a mask when serving kh? The sheeple seem to believe that workers are immune as well. It’s a real fantasy world they live in.

289915 ▶▶▶▶ kh1485, replying to JHuntz, 4, #1048 of 1952 🔗

Most certainly not! Though I have had some grief for not doing so and that resulted in the EHO flying squad visit a few months ago (just occurred to me that the woman who visited reminded me of Jo Brand in that sketch she did years ago – The Drudge Squad!)

290383 ▶▶▶ Cranmer, replying to kh1485, 1, #1049 of 1952 🔗

How dare you! Have you no pity for the serried ranks of the Covid dead? I’ll have you know Matt Hancock’s auntie’s neighbour’s best friend’s cousin twice removed knew someone who died of it.

289826 ▶▶ annie, replying to garry a, 6, #1050 of 1952 🔗

I don’t obey any of the rules and I am still very much alive, as is everybody I know.

289844 ▶▶▶ Sam Vimes, replying to annie, 4, #1051 of 1952 🔗

Right, let’s get this straight. Anyone posting on here who has died of covid, could you please say so now. Let’s get the true picture.

289868 ▶▶▶▶ JHuntz, replying to Sam Vimes, 5, #1052 of 1952 🔗

I’ve not died but i’m certainly living through some sort of dystopian hell.

289843 ▶▶ chaos, replying to garry a, 5, #1053 of 1952 🔗

I have had AIDS, covid, and leprosy.
I smear my bogies on the railings of the local schools.

289962 ▶▶▶ Margaret, replying to chaos, 2, #1054 of 1952 🔗

You made me spit out my cup of tea with laughing.

289853 ▶▶ HelzBelz, replying to garry a, 4, #1055 of 1952 🔗

Nope – I know of nobody who has had Covid. I do have a hypochondriac friend who thinks she had it but her test result got lost in the post. Oh – and I do know someone who has long Covid – which is a bit strange because she didn’t actually have Covid!! FFS!!!

289873 ▶▶▶ Liam, replying to HelzBelz, 8, #1056 of 1952 🔗

There’s a specific type who get “Long Covid.” Their distinguishing features are attention seeking, hypochondria and Munchausen’s, and they tend to get every mysterious post-viral condition you can shake a stick at. Plus a disabled parking space outside their home.

289899 ▶▶▶▶ A. Contrarian, replying to Liam, 2, #1057 of 1952 🔗

I think it’s real, just like post-viral syndromes from every virus are real. But talking Long Covid up like this and turning it into something unique to Covid seems to me to be dismissive of people suffering from other post-viral issues. I assume those new clinics are only open to people proved to have suffered from Covid, while post-viral illness from any other cause continues to be ignored.

289946 ▶▶▶▶▶ Graham3, replying to A. Contrarian, 1, #1058 of 1952 🔗

I’ve got long Lyme Disease. It was treated with Vioxx and 30 mins of physio.

290531 ▶▶▶▶ Cranmer, replying to Liam, 2, #1059 of 1952 🔗

‘It’s me glands!’

289891 ▶▶▶ A. Contrarian, replying to HelzBelz, 2, #1060 of 1952 🔗

Yes apparently you can get Long Covid even if you had no symptoms of it during the initial “infection” – which must make it unique among viruses, surely? Imagine trying to claim that you were having long term issues from flu, when you hadn’t actually had flu symptoms in the first place… bizarre.

One of my other half’s colleagues apparently has Long Covid, according to hearsay from various other colleagues. When he actually spoke to him, it turns out that he is simply suffering from insomnia, which he himself put down to the stress and uncertainty of the last few months – not Covid. I think a lot of these things get talked up and misrepresented myself.

290532 ▶▶▶▶ SweetBabyCheeses, replying to A. Contrarian, 1, #1061 of 1952 🔗

I can think of another…Chronic Lyme. 7mm market for “treating” this condition was worth $403.64 million in 2017 so there’s a clue.
It’s covered in the Netflix documentary Afflicted which id highly recommend

289880 ▶▶ A. Contrarian, replying to garry a, 6, #1062 of 1952 🔗

Funny, I was saying this to someone the other day. Admittedly I’m not the most sociable of people but I do see friends, go to yoga classes, don’t social distance, and have a young child and a dog so we meet lots of other families. I don’t go in for all that disinfecting the shopping and the mail or anything like that. And I only know ONE person who has had it, very badly, back in April. In fact I don’t even know him really, he’s the husband of someone I’ve met a handful of times. I don’t think I even know anyone else who’s had a positive test – although granted, the sort of people I still see are not the sort of people who would be rushing off for a test at the slightest sniffle.

I have had about four “respiratory viruses” since March, so I know I’m still coming into contact with bugs despite all the “measures”. Perhaps one of those bugs was Covid, who knows. I just stayed at home and got over them like I normally would.

289937 ▶▶ dhid, replying to garry a, 3, #1063 of 1952 🔗

Might have had it in March – couple of days with a temperature and felt a bit crap for a few days. Not too keen to have a test for some reason….

Definitely no way I’m having the “vaccine”.

Never had a flu vaccine, or had flu, as far as I know.

When I was a kid in the 60s – no vaccines for MMR as they didn’t exist.

I had Chicken Pox at 18 months – apparently. Measles and Mumps at some point as a young kid. Rubella at 18 years old.

As a kid I also had Scarlet Fever.

edit – BTW I’m still ‘ere! Lol!

289966 ▶▶ mjr, replying to garry a, 2, #1064 of 1952 🔗

i know a few people including myself who had an unusual flu variant at the start of the year. Since then … nothing . go into Aldi – girls on till dont know anyone. I dont recall speaking to anyone who knows anybody who has had it

290007 ▶▶ bucky99, replying to garry a, 1, #1065 of 1952 🔗

Throughout the year I’ve known a fair few people who have had it, either through work or other friends.

Ranging from mildly ill with loss of taste through to one friend who was seriously unwell, and was touch and go at one point.

He was the only one needing hospital treatment though, of the 15 or so.

290012 ▶▶ stefarm, replying to garry a, 1, #1066 of 1952 🔗

Good point well made but what is covid and how we do know if we’ve had it?

A week in bed feeling at deaths door?
Death?
Sore throat?
Lack of taste/smell?
Chest infection?

It’s the death thing that is scaring people, sounds obvious but people lose perspective. No doubt the sheople claim to know someone who has died.

‘Well what did he/she die from?’

‘well, you know, it’

‘but you have just said she had cancer’

‘yeah’

I’m answer to your question, I don’t know anybody who has been confined to bed with the flu.

Everybody seems to be going about waiting to catch it because they have been told they will catch it. I don’t want it nor do I want to get run over by a bus, get knocked off my bike, get food poisoning or cancer but I’m not going to hide away just in case.

290139 ▶▶ Cranmer, replying to garry a, 1, #1067 of 1952 🔗

I know a couple of friends of friends who’ve had it, but that’s it. Both over 80, one recovered, the other died, but she was frail and in her 90s.

289761 Nobody2020, 8, #1068 of 1952 🔗

Not having a problem to deal with is not the same as having a problem and dealing with it. Once dealt with the problem may be gone but it’s not the same as never having had the problem in the first place.

Yet those who advocate for zero covid talk as if they are the same.

If we never had this virus then we wouldn’t have had to spend time and resources dealing with it is essentially what they’re saying, i.e. if the problem never existed. Ergo, if we get rid of the problem we will be in the same situation as never having had it.

So they fool themselves into believing that the benefit of never having the problem are worth the cost of getting rid of the problem entirely.

289795 Jonathan Palmer, replying to Jonathan Palmer, 31, #1069 of 1952 🔗

Just watching David Nabaro of the WHO on Sky.No normal life for 2 years until everyone in the world has been vaccinated.He is Bill Gates mouthpiece.
This will only end with mass civil disobedience.

289805 ▶▶ Rowan, replying to Jonathan Palmer, 8, #1070 of 1952 🔗

Or violence.

289858 ▶▶▶ Jay Berger, replying to Rowan, 4, #1071 of 1952 🔗

Or mass deaths and sterilization through the vaccines.
The most likely outcome, IMHO.
Old folk will go first, together with their carers, whom we don’t need anymore anyway then.
We’ll just have to find a way to make do without the key workers, doctors, pilots etc. all killed.

289995 ▶▶▶▶ awildgoose, replying to Jay Berger, 4, #1072 of 1952 🔗

My theory is that oldies will be liquidated to ease the burden on currently unfunded liabilities such as pension schemes, Medicare, Social Security, etc.

290375 ▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Rowan, #1073 of 1952 🔗

Let’s try the former first shall we?

289806 ▶▶ Ben, replying to Jonathan Palmer, 13, #1074 of 1952 🔗

A handful of rich men are destroying life for everyone

289813 ▶▶▶ Rowan, replying to Ben, 8, #1075 of 1952 🔗

Correct and they bribe governments, who have already taken their share of the vaccine profits in advance.

289818 ▶▶ awildgoose, replying to Jonathan Palmer, 12, #1076 of 1952 🔗

It will only end when the people make it end.

Sadly, at least half the population appear to be nothing more than sheeple.

289845 ▶▶▶ JHuntz, replying to awildgoose, 9, #1077 of 1952 🔗

80% still sheeple.

Many people have accepted there new normal form of slavery without a whimper. Normal has gone not to return.

289847 ▶▶▶ JHuntz, replying to Sarigan, 5, #1079 of 1952 🔗

Note his I hate making predictions as there always wrong. Nail on head right there!

289859 ▶▶▶▶ A. Contrarian, replying to JHuntz, 11, #1080 of 1952 🔗

Well no one made him do it. Why didn’t he just say that he doesn’t know? Because he wanted to get in the papers with something sensationalist, that’s why.

I’m really struggling to see the point of WHO. What have they actually done throughout this whole charade other than mouth off, terrify people and contradict one another?

289985 ▶▶▶▶▶ Kevin 2, replying to A. Contrarian, 4, #1081 of 1952 🔗

They are the ‘official’ world outlet for official guidance.
Anything that goes against their official pronouncements, gets deleted from YT, Facebook etc etc.
That is their function.
And who controls the WHO??

290210 ▶▶▶▶▶ dhid, replying to A. Contrarian, 3, #1082 of 1952 🔗

I’m really struggling to see the point of WHO. What have they actually done throughout this whole charade other than mouth off, terrify people and contradict one another?”

Yes it’s a puzzle why that “nice” chap Gates supports them really..

Just gonna take my tablets….

290377 ▶▶▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to A. Contrarian, 2, #1083 of 1952 🔗

Uncle Bill’s bidding!

289851 ▶▶▶ Leemc23, replying to Sarigan, 6, #1084 of 1952 🔗

What a joke. Who has a spare couple of years to wait for things to get better? Only people with too much money have no comprehensive understanding of time

289869 ▶▶▶ leggy, replying to Sarigan, 5, #1085 of 1952 🔗

An Agenda 2030 clock AND lapel pin no less. I hope he’s on AG’s list.

289857 ▶▶ Leemc23, replying to Jonathan Palmer, 11, #1086 of 1952 🔗

So what if the virus turns out to be seasonal and a large % of people have cross immunity…..oh no wait. That’s already happened.

Yeah but what if asymptotic spread is a load of old shit….oh no wait. That’s already been proven.

Yeah but what if the IFR is ranging as low as 0.26…..oh yeah shit that’s happened too.

Ignore everything and act as pansy as they all did in March. For years. Oh good plan.

289897 ▶▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to Leemc23, 6, #1087 of 1952 🔗

And what if kids are not super spreaders and the continued calls from the psychotic elements of the parent population to close all schools forever are just virtue signalling cries for mental treatment

289883 ▶▶ RickH, replying to Jonathan Palmer, 6, #1088 of 1952 🔗

Short memories : WHO fingerprints were all over the Avian (2005) and Swine (2009) ‘Flu Panic attempts. The template is the same.

289900 ▶▶▶ RickH, replying to RickH, 3, #1089 of 1952 🔗

P.S. Read the Council of Europe committee report on the later incident. It rings multiple bells :

https://assembly.coe.int/CommitteeDocs/2010/20100604_H1N1pandemic_e.pdf

290032 ▶▶▶▶ leggy, replying to RickH, #1090 of 1952 🔗

Thanks, I’ve been trying to find that. I wonder if we’ll ever see a similar document about this massive scam.

290388 ▶▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to RickH, 1, #1091 of 1952 🔗

1. The Parliamentary Assembly is alarmed about the way in which the H1N1 influenza pandemic has been handled, not only by the World Health Organization (WHO), but also by the competent health authorities at the level of the European Union and at national level. It is particularly troubled by some of the consequences of decisions taken and advice given leading to distortion of priorities of public health services across Europe, waste of large sums of public money, and also unjustified scares and fears about health risks faced by the European public at large.

2. The Assembly notes that grave shortcomings have been identified regarding the transparency of decision-making processes relating to the pandemic which have generated concerns about the possible influence of the pharmaceutical industry on some of the major decisions relating to the pandemic. The Assembly fears that this lack of transparency and accountability will result in a plummet in confidence in the advice given by major public health institutions. This may prove disastrous in the case of the next disease of pandemic scope – which may turn out to be much more severe than the H1N1 pandemic.

And so on …..

289884 ▶▶ Richard O, replying to Jonathan Palmer, 5, #1092 of 1952 🔗

Which essentially means, as we have known for months, that this never ends. There will be new viruses and new vaccines ad infinitum, and anyone who refuses vaccination is going to be totally excluded from society.

289954 ▶▶▶ Bill Grates, replying to Richard O, 4, #1093 of 1952 🔗

Absolutely correct , see “the decade of vaccines “ , covid 21 is ready for release.

The fun has only just started.

289984 ▶▶ stefarm, replying to Jonathan Palmer, 5, #1094 of 1952 🔗

These people are fucking idiots. It’s the MSM maggots I loathe giving these fuckwits a platform to talk crap, easily done from their own dungeon in front of their laptop.

290002 ▶▶ OKUK, replying to Jonathan Palmer, 1, #1095 of 1952 🔗

Can’t stand that guy.

289802 Liam, replying to Liam, 8, #1096 of 1952 🔗

The Daily Hysterical Wail is trying to talk up a Swedish lockdown. Soaring cases, nearly 1,000 deaths in a month (250 people die every day in Sweden FFS), shock, horror, serves them right, etc ad nauseum. I won’t link to it.

289816 ▶▶ Zak Thelotofem, replying to Liam, 7, #1097 of 1952 🔗
289820 ▶▶▶ Liam, replying to Zak Thelotofem, 6, #1098 of 1952 🔗

Facts and logic? That’s just crazy talk Zak!

289830 ▶▶▶▶ Zak Thelotofem, replying to Liam, 4, #1099 of 1952 🔗

Indeed, our media outlets would never let the facts get in the way of a good story!

289885 ▶▶▶ Andrew K, replying to Zak Thelotofem, 2, #1100 of 1952 🔗

Next you’ll be saying that the earth is round!

289925 ▶▶▶▶ Zak Thelotofem, replying to Andrew K, 2, #1101 of 1952 🔗

Only if the BBC tell me so

289863 ▶▶ RickH, replying to Liam, 7, #1102 of 1952 🔗

A quick look at Euromomo blows that out of the water – and Euromomo’s methodology tends to exaggerate relativities.

289877 ▶▶▶ Liam, replying to RickH, 1, #1103 of 1952 🔗

It’s complete and utter bollocks.

289896 ▶▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to RickH, #1104 of 1952 🔗

“exaggerate relativities”

What does this mean? I use Euromomo a lot when trying to convey to people that we are not taking things in context so would be interested to know.

289961 ▶▶▶▶ RickH, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 2, #1105 of 1952 🔗

I reckon that there is an underlying problem with how ‘excess’ is defined – i.e its about the relative level of the variations that they note.

If you look at the current ‘England’ graph, for instance, you will see the line going above the ‘substantial increase’ red line. The actual level of deaths is actually trending well within the average range for the season, despite the seasonal rise.

290131 ▶▶ Cranmer, replying to Liam, 2, #1106 of 1952 🔗

The Mail, Express are odd – they have Covid fear porn on the front pages but scepticism in the opinion columns, eg Frederick Forsyth. I had hoped there might be a tipping point when they decided to change the fear porn to the effects of lockdown rather than Covid, but it seems a way off yet.

289808 chaos, replying to chaos, 4, #1107 of 1952 🔗

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k5ulGPCIQDk&list=WL&index
The tories put the oldies in zoos.. ooo look at the old person.. don’t touch, don’t feed..
What shall we look at next? The giraffes?

289839 ▶▶ awildgoose, replying to chaos, 4, #1108 of 1952 🔗

When the oldies start dropping like flies from the jab, the media will turn right round and go,

“LOL. Of course.

They’re old!”

289828 Kevin 2, 4, #1109 of 1952 🔗

Hitchens describes the Branch Covidian cult:-

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nxMkDoOTJd8

289835 chaos, replying to chaos, 4, #1110 of 1952 🔗

King Boris and Princess Nut Nut are still in charge of the UK.
Amazing huh?

289901 ▶▶ G.Fawkes, replying to chaos, 1, #1111 of 1952 🔗

You get the government you deserve.

289862 Dan Clarke, replying to Dan Clarke, 5, #1112 of 1952 🔗

So after the vaccine when we still have deaths on average of 1600 a day what will they call it?

289882 ▶▶ Ewan Duffy, replying to Dan Clarke, 2, #1113 of 1952 🔗

COVID20.

289893 ▶▶ Harry hopkins, replying to Dan Clarke, 5, #1114 of 1952 🔗

It’s called mortality—what they will call it is anybody’s guess.

289906 ▶▶ Nobody2020, replying to Dan Clarke, 4, #1115 of 1952 🔗

Flu maybe?

289950 ▶▶ JHuntz, replying to Dan Clarke, 1, #1116 of 1952 🔗

They should call it Darwinism

289867 Andrew K, replying to Andrew K, 2, #1117 of 1952 🔗

This was posted by Elaine Coulson a while ago, many may have missed it, very powerful message from doctors, share and share again

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d-LS-LQxFv4&feature=youtu.be

289992 ▶▶ Kevin 2, replying to Andrew K, #1118 of 1952 🔗

Whatever it was, it’s now gone…

290004 ▶▶ Suzyv, replying to Andrew K, #1119 of 1952 🔗

I was just in the middle of watching and You Tube have taken it down before I had finished, It was extremely good. Does anyone know if posted elsewhere?

290017 ▶▶▶ stefarm, replying to Suzyv, #1120 of 1952 🔗

Might be posted on here

https://www.altcensored.com/

290334 ▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Suzyv, #1121 of 1952 🔗

Wow! If it’s from a while ago, that’s worrying.

289875 BeBopRockSteady, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 6, #1122 of 1952 🔗

https://youtu.be/qzl-DrhTR2I

Russell Brands take on the vaccine hits a good chord with me. Focuses more about whether you trust these people rather than the scientific efficacy or danger of the drug.

289983 ▶▶ Major Panic, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 2, #1123 of 1952 🔗

The French guy said he’d let others try the vaccine first – others means the British?

289876 tallandbald, replying to tallandbald, 10, #1124 of 1952 🔗

This will warm the heart of every lockdown sceptic here I feel.

https://twitter.com/wes92i_1/status/1334941966170284038?s=20

Argentina – showing the authorities what they think of their rules.
As soon as this starts in good ol’ Blighty I’ll be there.

289903 ▶▶ Andrew K, replying to tallandbald, 4, #1125 of 1952 🔗

It was from a few years ago. It would be nice if Witless and unbalanced togther with a few senior politicians were cornered like that though.

290331 ▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to tallandbald, #1126 of 1952 🔗

That’s one angry mob!

289879 awildgoose, replying to awildgoose, 6, #1127 of 1952 🔗

The state of New Jersey is now pushing the free at home testing scam:

https://parsippanyfocus.com/2020/12/06/morris-county-launches-covid-19-home-testing/

So now the flunatic Karens can test themselves three times a day and really ramp the numbers.

Their kids too!

290088 ▶▶ Nigel Sherratt, replying to awildgoose, 2, #1128 of 1952 🔗

The Theranos blood testing woman must really be kicking herself!

289886 Liam, replying to Liam, 15, #1129 of 1952 🔗

I honestly think many people are more scared now than they were in March and April. They’ve imprisoned themselves in a mental Flulag Archipelago.

289902 ▶▶ Julian, replying to Liam, 6, #1130 of 1952 🔗

I think a lot of people are sort of scared but then they do a bit of ritual/voodoo like wearing a mask or sanitizing their hands and that makes them feel safe.

I think if they truly truly thought they could catch something and die they would be not going out much/at all.

290127 ▶▶▶ Cranmer, replying to Julian, 7, #1131 of 1952 🔗

I think a lot depends on the vaccine. I overheard in my village a woman say something like ‘I’ve heard some people actually don’t want the vaccine, as they’re worried about side effects. I’d rather just accept the side effects so we can all get back to normal.’ If lots of people are thinking this, they are going to be very confused if/when the government announces that lockdowns have to continue despite there being a vaccine.

290166 ▶▶▶▶ janis pennance, replying to Cranmer, 2, #1132 of 1952 🔗

It also rather depends what this person thinks the side effects might be ,some are truly horrific even if very rare.

290193 ▶▶▶▶ Noumenon, replying to Cranmer, 4, #1133 of 1952 🔗

Life isn’t ‘normal’ if you’ve got side effects.

She was obviously the village idiot.

290879 ▶▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to Cranmer, #1134 of 1952 🔗

If lots of people are thinking this, they are going to be very confused if/when the government announces that lockdowns have to continue despite there being a vaccine.

For about five minutes. Then they’ll be reassured by the latest bollocks from SPI-B.

289887 Dave Angel Eco Warrier, replying to Dave Angel Eco Warrier, 24, #1135 of 1952 🔗

I find it rather odd that so many will apparently continue to wear a mask even after receiving a vaccine. Before the nonsensical mandatory mask diktat came in I seldom saw more than 5% of people wear one – even at the peak of the pandemic. That so many people have been convinced of their effectiveness by the government ans MSM despite no evidence whatsoever is both perplexing and extremely worrying.

289895 ▶▶ Nobody2020, replying to Dave Angel Eco Warrier, 5, #1136 of 1952 🔗

Maybe they’re guilt ridden thinking about all the people that have died in the past because nobody was wearing masks.

289920 ▶▶ Victoria, replying to Dave Angel Eco Warrier, 7, #1137 of 1952 🔗

On the other hand many of these questionnaires/ poll questions are rigged. I.e do not give you the option to say you are against masks etc

never believe any poll

289976 ▶▶ KBuchanan, replying to Dave Angel Eco Warrier, #1138 of 1952 🔗

Absolves them of brushing their teeth? Which are now extremely manky due to no dental appointments? Just a guess.

290026 ▶▶ Steve Hayes, replying to Dave Angel Eco Warrier, 3, #1139 of 1952 🔗

Science is no more understandable to most people than Christian Theology was to a Medieval serf. People just believe in it.

290499 ▶▶ annie, replying to Dave Angel Eco Warrier, 1, #1140 of 1952 🔗

If nappies cease to be compulsory people will stop wearing them, apart from the ultrazombies who have been nappied since day 1.

289892 Just about sane, replying to Just about sane, 28, #1141 of 1952 🔗

I don’t participate in the issues with the vaccines. I don’t get a flu vaccine and I won’t be getting this vaccine.

However in regards to the vaccine passport, this worries me. The reason is, I know what it’s like to be unable to go anywhere or do anything because of the vaccine passport in dogs.

It’s not a literal passport but it may as well be.

My dogs are vaccinated, my 15 year old labrador was last vaccinated when she was 9 and my 6 year old got his puppy vaccines and both dogs got titred tested, both showing antibodies for all 3 of the core vaccines. I learned from the world veterinary association recommendations that the core vaccines, for example parvo lasts years, vets then were vaccinating every 2 years for the core vaccines and every year for lepto. Lepto is bacterial and there is no guarantee the vaccine lasts longer than 6 months, I decided to study the symptoms and treat the illness.

So my dogs no longer get vaccinated as I don’t think they need it.

This means my dogs cannot go into boarding kennels, cannot attend training classes, cannot be used as pets as therapy dogs, my dogs can’t participate in anything that requires yearly vaccinations.

My worry is that too many people will conform to only being allowed entry on proof of vaccination as I’ve found all my friends with dogs ALL get yearly vaccines for their dogs and tell me it’s my fault my dogs don’t get in anywhere as if it’s no big deal a dog being vaccinated every year for life.

Too many people are brainwashed and will just blame us for being denied being able to eat out, visit the cinema etc. If we allow businesses and government and so called health bodies to dictate our lives for us in the same way the veterinary profession has
dictated vaccines in dogs.

289898 ▶▶ G.Fawkes, replying to Just about sane, 13, #1142 of 1952 🔗

So far I’ve had a dog rescue organisation and a vet tell me that ‘booster’ jabs for dogs are just a money making exercise. I’m inclined to believe them.

290323 ▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to G.Fawkes, 2, #1143 of 1952 🔗

Yup! Cats too.

289919 ▶▶ Victoria, replying to Just about sane, 6, #1144 of 1952 🔗

Great post.

Yes many dogs unfortunately gets very sick / die early from the onslaught of all the ‘required’ vaccines.

i.e kennel cough is easily fixed with high dose vitamin C (takes about 3 to 5 days)

289967 ▶▶ Lisa (formerly) from Toronto, replying to Just about sane, 7, #1145 of 1952 🔗

I’m with you. I gave my dog his last rabies vaccine earlier this year at age 8 and I won’t vaccinate him for anything else. I have him tested for heartworm and the panel that looks for tick-born diseases but I don’t use the preventive medications (he has super short hair so I can check for ticks easily). The vaccines are mostly a money grab, especially when you consider that here there is a 1-year and a 3-year rabies vaccine and they are exactly the same! I’m thankful the vet gave me a 3-year certificate when I was only entitled to a 1-year, which means he knows it’s a scam.

289996 ▶▶ Jo, replying to Just about sane, 4, #1146 of 1952 🔗

In the US the vaccines that are licenced for 3 years are the same ones that are licenced for annual use in this country. About 15+ years ago a huge number of British vets wrote to the Royal Veterinary College about their concerns that the practice of over-vaccination which is the norm in this country was leading to a worrying rise in auto-immune conditions which they attributed to over-vaccination (auto-immune conditions should ring a bell!).
In 2016 it was announced that dogs did not need annual vaccinations and titre testing could be used – they found (as mentioned above) that several vaccines last a dog’s lifetime and others for at least 7 years. This meant that people could have titre testing if they wanted to use kennels. (I am trying to remember the public body this came from – I have it somewhere). But this was pretty hushed up, and emails I sent to various people about it disappeared from my inbox!
Interestingly, when my friend moved with her 3 dogs to the US three years ago, the only vaccination they were interested in was rabies. They did not ask her for anything else.

290001 ▶▶▶ Jo, replying to Jo, 4, #1147 of 1952 🔗

Meant to say – I have never vaccinated my dogs beyond puppyhood. Until 3 two years ago when there was a local distemper scare and I had the older two revaccinated. Sorry to say, one collapsed within 12 hours and repeatedly fainted – had to have a pacemaker fitted in the end. Cardiologist would not be drawn on whether it was the vaccine (lepto4) but firmly said it dated back to the first date of her collapse. Since found out the vet I used is no longer using the vaccine but has reverted to lepto2.

290513 ▶▶▶ Just about sane, replying to Jo, #1148 of 1952 🔗

In Scotland not all councils allow titre tests. My local council doesn’t. Vaccination card only proving they’re up to date.

The Royal veterinary college would like to see compulsory vaccinations, compulsory worming and a ban on raw feeding, they have managed to convince some organisations, pets for therapy being one to ban pets that are raw fed, so that’s two counts against my dogs.

I really don’t want to see this happening to us with making life difficult if we don’t get the vaccine.

290153 ▶▶ janis pennance, replying to Just about sane, 7, #1149 of 1952 🔗

Dogs were where I first began looking into vaccines , it was disconcerting to find the only reason Boosters were given is that the vaccine companies declined to research how long they lasted . No money in anyone else doing the research so we were left with Boosters every year.
I also chatted with my Vet about Lepto vaccine , I asked him why if the vaccine only gave protection for a maximum of 6 months , often less , most dogs boosted annually would be running round unprotected for at least 6 months every year … where was the avalanche of dead dogs ?
He didn’t know

290320 ▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Just about sane, 2, #1150 of 1952 🔗

Good comparison.

289914 Victoria, replying to Victoria, 6, #1151 of 1952 🔗

Information withheld from public …..
COVID-19 Vaccine Bombshell: FDA Documents Reveal DEATH + 21 Serious Conditions As Possible Adverse Outcomes

Public discussion and documents reveal that the FDA knows that rushed-to-market COVID-19 vaccines may cause a wide range of life-threatening side effects, including death.



Unless the public is made aware of their real effects, and is given a choice, their widespread coercive promotion as “safe and effective” and “necessary” violates the med i cal ethical principle of informed consent.

https://www.greenmedinfo.com/blog/covid-19-vaccine-bombshell-fda-documents-reveal-death-21-serious-conditions-possi1

289933 ▶▶ Tenchy, replying to Victoria, 7, #1152 of 1952 🔗

Death! That’s one hell of a side effect.

289998 ▶▶▶ OKUK, replying to Tenchy, #1153 of 1952 🔗

At least it’s a painless side effect.

290428 ▶▶▶▶ annie, replying to OKUK, 1, #1154 of 1952 🔗

Lasts a long time, though.

289936 ▶▶ G.Fawkes, replying to Victoria, 1, #1155 of 1952 🔗

Jesus Tap Dancing Christ.

289943 ▶▶ calchas, replying to Victoria, 6, #1156 of 1952 🔗

The FDA (Food and Drug Administration) are just a bunch of far-right anti.vaxxers and conspiracy theorists.

289944 ▶▶ Tenchy, replying to Victoria, 7, #1157 of 1952 🔗

Hold on a minute. Is this a standard list of conditions that all new vaccines are assessed against? And what, precisely, does the red cross against each indication mean? It could be that the vaccine DIDN’T result in the annotated indication. More information is needed here.

289955 ▶▶▶ TheOriginalBlackPudding, replying to Tenchy, 2, #1158 of 1952 🔗

Well said.

289959 ▶▶▶ Lisa (formerly) from Toronto, replying to Tenchy, 6, #1159 of 1952 🔗

I’m guessing these are side effects/adverse reactions documented for other vaccines and which must be considered possibilities with these new Covid vaccines. Most people never see a vaccine insert — they list possible side effects and they are scary. When the US government gave vaccine manufacturers blanket immunity back in 1986 these same manufacturers are on record as stating that vaccines are “unavoidably unsafe.” They threatened to stop manufacturing vaccines because they were being sued incessantly, therefore the government bowed to this threat by indemnifying them against future lawsuits. Coincidence that the number of childhood vaccines went up dramatically after 1986 and the health of children got worse? Can’t prove a causal connection, but can’t argue that the rates of neurodevelopmental disorders, allergies, and autoimmune diseases like Type 1 diabetes have risen dramatically. I’m sure environmental factors and the garbage that passes for food may be contributors as well.

290051 ▶▶▶ Basileus, replying to Tenchy, #1160 of 1952 🔗

Yes, it isn’t clear. See the original presentation here:

https://www.fda.gov/media/143557/download

290316 ▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Tenchy, #1161 of 1952 🔗

Thanks. I was trying to find the answer to that.

289947 ▶▶ RickH, replying to Victoria, 4, #1162 of 1952 🔗

This is the sort of thing to be wary of – careful reading of this out-of-context slide suggests it isn’t what it seems after a cursory glance. It’s an exhaustive check-list as far as I can see.

Doesn’t alter the basics about these vaccines and safety – but just the sort of thing that can undermine the case if misrepresented.

289956 ▶▶▶ TheOriginalBlackPudding, replying to RickH, #1163 of 1952 🔗

Well said.

290427 ▶▶▶ annie, replying to RickH, 2, #1164 of 1952 🔗

You could die of aspirin. Rare, but not unknown.

290049 ▶▶ Basileus, replying to Victoria, 1, #1165 of 1952 🔗

Complete presentation is here:

https://www.fda.gov/media/143557/download

289917 Jo, replying to Jo, 22, #1166 of 1952 🔗

Back on topic of churches:

I am a bellringer and this was the email to our tower captain from the vicar about ringing the bells at Christmas – we can’t, because it has been cancelled. There are 10 bells in our tower.

“Just to confirm, any band of ringers needs to be within the same Christmas bubble e.g. if you, the ……… and the …….. were in the same bubble (I’m sure you won’t be!) then you could have 5 ringers.”

When I manage to contain my anger, I am going going to ask this vicar, politely, whether it was his mother or his father who constantly stamped down on any activity he enjoyed, especially when he demonstrated an interest or enthusiasm about anything.

289993 ▶▶ dhid, replying to Jo, 2, #1167 of 1952 🔗

Can’t you “bubble” with other households at Christmas…you know….”legally”?

290005 ▶▶▶ Jo, replying to dhid, 2, #1168 of 1952 🔗

Yes I think so, but that won’t make any difference to him. He is known as a person who says: “The answer is no. Now what’s the question?”
I also think he is wrong in equating a ringing chamber with a household. All the public places that will be open to different people, going in and out, and as a static number of individuals we are naturally distanced from each other in the very act of ringing.
But he really doesn’t want anyone to enjoy listening to the bells.

290080 ▶▶▶▶ Nigel Sherratt, replying to Jo, #1169 of 1952 🔗

What about Shipping Forecast Singles?

290177 ▶▶▶▶ dhid, replying to Jo, 1, #1170 of 1952 🔗

But he really doesn’t want anyone to enjoy listening to the bells.”

That seems about right these days………..


290238 ▶▶▶▶ Silke David, replying to Jo, 2, #1171 of 1952 🔗

I have met plenty of fascists who call themselves Christians.

290430 ▶▶ annie, replying to Jo, 1, #1172 of 1952 🔗

He must be related to the vicar of my firmer church. Anything that might possibly be enjoyed, or lift the spirits, is stamped on in an instant.

289923 Zak Thelotofem, 7, #1173 of 1952 🔗
289927 Tenchy, replying to Tenchy, 15, #1174 of 1952 🔗

As we all know, the world is full of arseholes and scumbags – and some are in France.

From the Telegraph live feed:

Elderly French woman with dementia ordered to pay €166 Covid fine

An elderly woman with dementia has been ordered to pay a £151 (€166) fine by a French court after she wrote the wrong date on her form for leaving home during lockdown.

The woman, 73, was originally fined £123 (€135) when she was stopped by police in April. She was food shopping in Luxeuil, eastern France at the time, about half a mile away from her home.

French citizens have been required to fill out a downloadable form justifying why they have left home under lockdown rules.

The woman’s daughter appealed the fine at the time it was issued. France Bleu, a news outlet, reported that the officer who stopped her failed to note she was speaking incoherently. Her daughter says that the woman has been suffering from Alzheimer’s for the past five years.

Despite pleas from the local mayor and prosecutor to waive the fine, the police and courts have determined that it must be upheld and the woman must pay.

France is currently in the midst of nationwide restrictions that are due to expire on December 15. More than 55,000 French people have died as a result of [or with] Covid-19.

289963 ▶▶ Colin, replying to Tenchy, 8, #1175 of 1952 🔗

An awful lot of them live in France – I know cos I live here. My neighbour has posted a “review” of me on Google (one star). Fortunately the French government has a nifty website for reporting racist and hate incidents so I have shopped her.

290432 ▶▶▶ annie, replying to Colin, 1, #1176 of 1952 🔗

What’s the French for ‘arseholes’?

289986 ▶▶ dhid, replying to Tenchy, 5, #1177 of 1952 🔗

Do you think they might tattoo “DNR” on her forehead as she’s so wicked?

Coming to town near you here in the UK…soon….

290306 ▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Tenchy, #1178 of 1952 🔗

Despite pleas from the local mayor and prosecutor

Disgraceful!

289931 JHuntz, replying to JHuntz, 34, #1179 of 1952 🔗

The current state of affairs summarised (government v average person):-

“3 weeks to flatten the curve” – Yeah that’s cool this is dead scary this covid thingy

“3 more weeks to flatten the flatten” – yeah that’s cool it’s not flat enough yet. I got my beers and furlough so keep on furloughing. Just gonna pop out to clap like a seal now.

“Guys sorry another six weeks get the beers chilled pubs still dubbed up” – Okay i’m sure that’ll be us after six weeks and i’m still dead worried anyway, Got my beers stocked cheers for the heads up.

“all good guys we’ve flattened the flatten it’s time to get out there. Mind those masks we said were useless well your gonna need to get them on now. we’ll give you til Thursday to get ready cause COVID’s cool like that. Come Thursday though masks need to be on we’re in it together. They don’t work but if the other guy wears them then you get this cool shield thingy and then they work pure brilliant” – Oh that’s great news we’re getting out and about just need to stay safe. That’s good of covid giving us time i’m going to order a rag now. I mind you said at the start that they don’t work but totally get how they do work if we both wear it. that’s dead clever yous worked that solution out. Thanks scientist people!

“Bad news guys mind how we started doing all that testing that we didn’t do much of it at the start. Well we’ve got more cases now because we’ve tested lots of people and the bad news is the cases are dead high and we’ve got this r thing that’s above 1 in some places which is also really bad cause we don’t like a big r number. Can yous just behave yourselves and follow the rules we’re in this together” – aw no not lots of cases that can lead to more cases and I don’t know what that r thing is but it sounds dead bad and then if you’ve got r’s and you’ve got cases then that can lead to COVID deaths and then they’re dead bad. This is annoying it’s all those students at freshers enjoying themselves and i’ve seen some people not using masks and stopping that cool mask shield thing yous told us about. Bloody selfish people no following the rules that are gonna get us locked down again.

“Bad news folks you didn’t follow the rules, it’s all those selfish people and cause of them i’m going to lock you down again but it’s with a really heavy heart it’s just so heavy” – Fair enough we’ve asked for this if folk would just follow the rules, but I get there is that second wave thing and I know you don’t want to do it”

Good news guys yous can get 5 days over Christmas if yous just keep being really good hiding in your house and distancing and that. The only thing is you won’t get new year but that would involve hugs and kisses so who wants that anyway. We’ll also lock you down pretty much all of January but it’s to get yous Christmas so good news” – that is good news that, i’m a wee bit fed up now but so happy we’ve got Christmas back I thought Santa wasn’t coming this year.

“Good news guys we’ve got a vaccine it’s here any minute. Not sure if it stops transmission, not sure if it’ll make you infertile, it only reduces symptoms but pfizer said it’s 95% effective at something or other so really good news.” – that’s great I like that vaccine thing I heard some other guys talking about a good immune system and fighting the virus but if it’s 95% effective at something or other then i’ll have that.

290222 ▶▶ richard riewer, replying to JHuntz, #1180 of 1952 🔗

Flatten their curves.

290302 ▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to richard riewer, #1181 of 1952 🔗

In all the right places!

290440 ▶▶ annie, replying to JHuntz, 2, #1182 of 1952 🔗

Oh, and PS any old vaxx will do. Some will get Pfizer, some will get Astra-zeneca. and some we didn’t bother to look.

289934 Ewan Duffy, replying to Ewan Duffy, 27, #1183 of 1952 🔗

I’ve just been told the arrangements for Christmas dinner in my family. Normally, there are 6 of us for this event – my parents, myself (single), younger sister (single) and brother and his partner. Everyone of this group bar me live in the same town so I travel there for Christmas.

They have decided that 6 people for Christmas dinner is too dangerous (due to COVID) so my sister will have Christmas dinner with our brother/his partner and I will be with the parents.

This shit isn’t going away 🙁

289939 ▶▶ Hieronimusb, replying to Ewan Duffy, 6, #1184 of 1952 🔗

I’m buddhist but forgive them for they know not what they doeth!

290092 ▶▶▶ Hieronimusb, replying to Hieronimusb, 4, #1185 of 1952 🔗

Forgot to mention there are those who can never be forgiven. Not ever. It is no exaggeration to call this a crime against humanity, there are no excuses for mass murder and confinement by the State.

289964 ▶▶ Colin, replying to Ewan Duffy, 5, #1186 of 1952 🔗

So you get the job of killing the parents. Aren’t families wonderful.

289975 ▶▶ dhid, replying to Ewan Duffy, 3, #1187 of 1952 🔗

B..B..But…if you don’t live in the same town aren’t you going to bring the green Covid “particles” (they mention in the latest radio “infomercial”) from your town, into your parents house? Then you’ll need to open the windows to let them out! Might be chilly too…..
Lol!

290046 ▶▶▶ Ewan Duffy, replying to dhid, 2, #1188 of 1952 🔗

Have been doing that weekly since June!

289979 ▶▶ bluemoon, replying to Ewan Duffy, 3, #1189 of 1952 🔗

Depressing conversation with my neighbour just now – their daughter and her family will be visiting for Christmas hols, staying in their own house.
Neighbours won’t be seeing their grandchildren for a few days because they’re just out of school and may be infectious. But they think it’s possible to get together for Christmas lunch perhaps.
I tried to reassure but got absolutely nowhere. I resisted pointing out they could leave the window open.

290296 ▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to bluemoon, #1190 of 1952 🔗

Sad!

290149 ▶▶ muzzle, replying to Ewan Duffy, 2, #1191 of 1952 🔗

We’ve got 10 coming for our lunch.

290286 ▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Ewan Duffy, 2, #1192 of 1952 🔗

Opposite effect here. There were 7 of us last year. 17 this!

290443 ▶▶ annie, replying to Ewan Duffy, 1, #1193 of 1952 🔗

Not in your family, evidently.
Come dine with an LD sceptic instead.

289942 Harry hopkins, replying to Harry hopkins, 30, #1194 of 1952 🔗

The enemy always scares you!

If you think back to the second world war when Hitlerism was in the ascendency, Hitler had as his arch side kick joseph Goebels who was a master in the black arts of propaganda. Goebels knew that the way to get people to be totally subservient was to scare them rigid and to make them fear for their lives. In Britain we had Winston Churchill who, thankfully, was more than a match for the German dictator and unlike most of the Tory party and landed gentry who wanted an accommodation with the Nazis, was not scared of him.

How did Churchill conduct propaganda in Britain at the time of our greatest need? Did he constantly bombard the airways with news of death and destruction and numbers of pilots dead and ships sunk and battles lost? Or did he omit the terrible news and concentrate on encouraging and giving a positive lead to counteract the fear and panic that could so easily have swamped this small island in the face of the German juggernaut?

We know the answer to that don’t we. Churchill minimised the bad news and emphasised the good. Meanwhile of course the Germans and their cohorts (Lord HAW HAW being a prime example) concentrated on black propaganda in an attempt to frighten the population by undermining their morale.

The message is crystal clear and we can take a direct lesson for today’s Covid ‘war’, for that is what we are fighting. The enemy emphasises the bad and aims to scare us into submission. The good guys counteract this by positive news and encouragement based on truth and fact.

So the question is this. Who are the bad guys who are attempting to scare us into submission? Who are the enemy who want to do us down and to take away our freedom and to change our way of life forever and to convert us into a mask wearing, quivering, subservient, and totally obedient lesser form of humanity? We, who frequent this forum, know the answer to this…..Our enemy is our government and the proof of this is in their form of total propaganda geared entirely to fear and obedience. This is the weapon of those who would defeat us and enslave us but they are easily recognised by their tactics. The enemy always tries to scare us into submission. History is our greatest teacher on this score. Today is no different. Knowing who your enemy is is a big stride forward in the war we are fighting and this will enable us to marshal our forces in the challenging days ahead.

Good is always positive, encouraging, reassuring, comforting and full of hope.
Bad aims to counteract all of these things by substituting all of them by the only weapon it has…FEAR.

289973 ▶▶ G.Fawkes, replying to Harry hopkins, 8, #1195 of 1952 🔗

I mostly agree with your premise, but find your suggestion that Brits were the ‘good guys’ problematic and typical of a limited understanding of WW2. The bankers won, the people died. War is a racket.

289988 ▶▶▶ Winston Smith, replying to G.Fawkes, 7, #1196 of 1952 🔗

Britain (and her dominions) was the ‘good guy. Germany was the heart of Nazism, Italy spawned Fascism, Spain abstained, France gave up, Ireland hated Britain so sided with Hitler, America was vacillating until they couldn’t ignore Europe anymore, Japan – evil imperialist, USSR – evil communists, China – inscrutable etc

290011 ▶▶▶▶ G.Fawkes, replying to Winston Smith, 1, #1197 of 1952 🔗

It was not so clear cut, the Germans were very much goaded into a war, and the ideas of the NSDAP originated in the US, and US corporations sponsored the Third Reich, while Churchill oversaw genocidal war crimes on the German people. There were no good guys.

290030 ▶▶▶▶▶ NorthumbrianNomad, replying to G.Fawkes, 2, #1198 of 1952 🔗

That post might just be the point at which I part company with Lockdown Sceptics

290034 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ G.Fawkes, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, #1199 of 1952 🔗

Does. Not. Compute?

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290213 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ richard riewer, replying to G.Fawkes, #1200 of 1952 🔗

Klu Klux Klan schoolhouse?

290255 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ G.Fawkes, replying to richard riewer, 1, #1201 of 1952 🔗

Lol. No, this was the US before the war when the militarised national socialist ideas of Bellamy (who wrote the pledge) were in vogue. All of this got memory-holed.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mvDwL553pVM

http://rexcurry.net/45th-infantry-protect-from-bullet-shell.jpg

290100 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ mjr, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, 7, #1202 of 1952 🔗

you were threatening to leave a couple of days ago but i recall quite a few people posting telling you stay.
maybe just accept that out of 2000+ posts every day there may be some that you dont agree with and ignore them.

290108 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ JHuntz, replying to mjr, 2, #1203 of 1952 🔗

yes it’s the beauty of free speech.

290441 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Marialta, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, #1204 of 1952 🔗

No need to say this again. If you want to leave go quietly.

290039 ▶▶▶▶▶ TJN, replying to G.Fawkes, 3, #1205 of 1952 🔗

Waging war on the German people, having been forced into that war and knowing what the Nazi regime was capable of, is not the same as genocidal war crimes.

290041 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ G.Fawkes, replying to TJN, -1, #1206 of 1952 🔗

Dresden.

290050 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Winston Smith, replying to G.Fawkes, 2, #1207 of 1952 🔗

Hardly genocide

290060 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ G.Fawkes, replying to Winston Smith, #1208 of 1952 🔗

Attacking a city full of refugees with white phosphorus that had no military targets whatsoever? Not genocide?

It wasn’t about the Brits vs the Germans, it was about the bankers and corporations vs the people, like right now. Who died and who made money? Who is dying now, and who is making money now?

Waving your flag and making jokes about the Germans is absurd. The nation of Britain didn’t win, the class of workers lost, internationally.

290074 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Winston Smith, replying to G.Fawkes, 3, #1209 of 1952 🔗

Coventry…….?

290081 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ G.Fawkes, replying to Winston Smith, -2, #1210 of 1952 🔗

You think I’m claiming that Germany didn’t commit war crimes? Come on. There were no good guys . Maybe this will help:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yuBe93FMiJc

290104 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Winston Smith, replying to G.Fawkes, 3, #1211 of 1952 🔗

Sorry dear boy, I use books to gain my knowledge 😉

290114 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ G.Fawkes, replying to Winston Smith, -1, #1212 of 1952 🔗

Your loss. I’m still astounded that movie ever got made. But if you like books, here’s one for you: https://www.ratical.org/ratville/CAH/warisaracket.html

290190 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Winston Smith, replying to G.Fawkes, 2, #1213 of 1952 🔗

Quite short, I can’t disagree with the sentiment.

War is pointless for the common man, the cannon fodder, the civilian, however, we seem to unable to learn from our history.

290223 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ G.Fawkes, replying to Winston Smith, 3, #1214 of 1952 🔗

Exactly that. It’s absurd to me to be proud of winning wars in which great numbers of the people die for the profit of the few who instigated it.

Imagine yourself in the shoes of someone who made a fortune from both sides during a war they helped create. Imagine that some side, it doesn’t matter which, won. Now imagine watching the little people waving their little flags from the comfort of your penthouse suit. Foolish peasants, ha ha ha!

Our cousins in Germany were never the enemy, they got screwed, and we got screwed, and someone got very very rich.

290596 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ OKUK, replying to Winston Smith, #1215 of 1952 🔗

I disagree. Virtually all wars been between authoritarian regimes and democracies or between authoritarian regimes. You’ll be hard pressed to find a war between two democracies.

That’s very encouraging and shows people do learn from history and are certainly not warlike in disposition.

290147 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ mjr, replying to Winston Smith, 1, #1216 of 1952 🔗

note the UK government knew that Coventry was going to be raided because of enigma codes been broken but didnt do anything to save people as they did not want germans to know the code was broken

290194 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Winston Smith, replying to mjr, #1217 of 1952 🔗

Yep

290145 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ RickH, replying to G.Fawkes, 1, #1218 of 1952 🔗

Acts of War on civilians is ‘terrorism’ – defined as the use of terror and fear as a weapon in a ‘just’ cause. Which raises the question of ‘justified terrorism’ and the fighting of asymmetrical wars. Uncomfortable for the narrowly self-righteous.

… especially when you consider the current use of fear by the state and supra-national organisations, and what that may be used as justification in terms of resistance.

It all gets messy when you cross certain lines.

290162 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ mjr, replying to RickH, 2, #1219 of 1952 🔗

exactly . like Hiroshima/Nagasaki. arguably justified as it forced the Japanese to surrender so preventing even higher death count from conventional warfare and bombing (already 100000 dead in Tokyo bombings) . But a great moral dilemma

290174 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ G.Fawkes, replying to mjr, 2, #1220 of 1952 🔗

But the Japanese were brokering surrender with the Russians at the time. Victors crafting the story again.

290208 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ richard riewer, replying to G.Fawkes, 3, #1221 of 1952 🔗

Kurt Vonnegut Jr., Slaughterhouse Five.

290229 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ G.Fawkes, replying to richard riewer, #1222 of 1952 🔗

Yes. Brutal.

290584 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ OKUK, replying to G.Fawkes, -1, #1223 of 1952 🔗

You are a deluded ideologue, The city was a major rail transport hub. Rail is a miltary target.

290575 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ OKUK, replying to Winston Smith, #1224 of 1952 🔗

Victor Klemperer and other Jews were able to escape certain extinction thanks to the Dresden bombing. His diaries from the war offer a remarkable insight into the period.

290158 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Hieronimusb, replying to G.Fawkes, 3, #1225 of 1952 🔗

Agree with a lot of what you say. All wars, to a greater or lesser extent, are bankers’ wars. However, the appalling firebombing of Dresden was a tactical move intended to shorten the war and thus to ultimately save lives in a situation so desperate that we would now find hard to imagine much less understand or condone it. Using moral judgement in hindsight when you took no part in the struggle is a risky business. I don’t think that genocide is an appropriate description; after all, the carnage, terrible as it was, was only inflicted on that city, not the entire German race. The Germans, on the other hand, were guilty of attempted genocide in the concentration camps. My father took part in the medical relief of Belsen. Aged 21 and barely qualified, he was put in charge of a hut containing 300 women suffering from advanced malnutrition and scrub typhus and dying at the rate of 30+ a day. The conditions were utterly indescribable. The people who did this really were monsters.

290197 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ G.Fawkes, replying to Hieronimusb, 8, #1226 of 1952 🔗

But this is the point. Dresden was awful, the camps were awful Coventry was awful. The people suffered in great numbers, everywhere, because of international monied interests. As with Beale’s speech from Network I linked below –

“You are an old man who thinks in terms of nations and peoples.

There are no nations. There are no peoples. There are no Russians. There are no Arabs. There are no third worlds.

There is no West. There is only one holistic system of systems, one vast and immane, interwoven, interacting, multi-variate, multi-national dominion of dollars.

Petro-dollars, electro-dollars, multi-dollars, reichmarks, rins, rubles, pounds, and shekels.

It is the international system of currency which determines the totality of life on this planet.

That is the natural order of things today. That is the atomic and sub-atomic and galactic structure of things today!”

Appreciate that nations are irrelevent to monied interests. Brits fluffing themselves up with pride about a war heroically won miss the point that the war wasn’t won, because the victor didn’t matter, and what sort of victory is losing an entire generation?

Money, that’s what mattered. Think only in terms of money, then you begin to see the magnitude of the crimes that are and continue to be perpertrated on the people of this world in the name of bullshit cover stories like’ preventing terrorism, spreading democracy, fighting evil’. It’s bullshit, it’s all bullshit.

290219 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Hieronimusb, replying to G.Fawkes, 2, #1227 of 1952 🔗

Yes, all bullshit, unspeakable things were done. I don’t think that we can dismiss the genuine heroism of the many ordinary people who got caught up in it on both sides, however. As you yourself have said, these matters are deeply complex and, while vested interests were certainly a factor, we cannot rewrite history in hindsight on the basis of an oversimplified narrative. The Germans really were guilty of attempted genocide, the Allies much less so.

290245 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ G.Fawkes, replying to Hieronimusb, 3, #1228 of 1952 🔗

There were heroes, with more noble souls than those commanding them deserved to be in charge of. And yes, we cannot ascribe and overly simplistic narrative, but we can find fragments that support our thesis, and look for the same in more recent times, and slowly start to see that monied interest are the primary factor of a multitude of factors.

Without investors, you cannot have wars and revolutions. Even the October revolution, even Robespierre had backers. We are directed like cattle to our doom for the profit of the butcher, constantly.

290164 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ TJN, replying to G.Fawkes, 2, #1229 of 1952 🔗

Dresden was awful. But it’s not the same as a genocidal war crime.

290260 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ G.Fawkes, replying to TJN, #1230 of 1952 🔗

What were the B52s and Avro Lancasters if not carpet bombing, kill-as-many-as-possible genocide machines?

290343 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Winston Smith, replying to G.Fawkes, 1, #1231 of 1952 🔗

They B52’s over Dresden, Jesus! No wonder they got the firestorm going so well!

Do you know what the definition of genocide actually is?

The strategic aim of Bomber Command and the 8th Airforce was to destroy the capacity of the 3rd Reich to wage war by demoralising the German people via the destruction of; German cities, the concentration of manufacturing hubs and workers.

290479 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ TJN, replying to Winston Smith, #1232 of 1952 🔗

Do you know what the definition of genocide actually is?

Quite. (cf. the ‘definition’ of an IFR, which is elastic depending on who’s making the argument.)

A war crime isn’t necessarily genocide. It can be debated whether or not Dresden was a war crime.

And debates are very easy from the comfort of the fireside with lots of books, full hindsight, and no responsibility.

290045 ▶▶▶▶▶ Winston Smith, replying to G.Fawkes, 2, #1233 of 1952 🔗

And I’m not sure that it’s a clear as that.

What happened in Germany at that time as a freak of circumstances centered around one man. The deep rooted psychological superiority of the German people allowed the chain events to take place, you could even argue, because of it.

Sweden made ball-bearings for the Reich, Switzerland made the ovens for the final solution, Ireland allowed U-boats to dock etc

Genocidal war crimes? Not sure what you are referring to there…… 🤔

290052 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ G.Fawkes, replying to Winston Smith, 2, #1234 of 1952 🔗

A freak of circumstances? Banks and corporations loved the idea of militarised national socialism. They still do. Or hadn’t you noticed?

290094 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Winston Smith, replying to G.Fawkes, 4, #1235 of 1952 🔗

I don’t disagree, however, the second world war is a more complex beast then people realise.

I you think you understand all about it, you clearly don’t.

290097 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ G.Fawkes, replying to Winston Smith, #1236 of 1952 🔗

Who can understand it all, so much was distorted. But all wars are bankers wars, and there is plenty of evidence lying around that tells a very different tale to the cartoonish history we are handed in university.

290182 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Dorian_Hawkmoon, replying to G.Fawkes, 1, #1237 of 1952 🔗

“…all wars are bankers wars”. Yeah, I get your cryptic take, matey. That’s enough.
Stop there. Now.

290274 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ G.Fawkes, replying to Dorian_Hawkmoon, #1238 of 1952 🔗

No, that’s not where I’m going with that. Not at all. I’d have to be pretty self-hating! lol.

290056 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ JHuntz, replying to Winston Smith, 1, #1239 of 1952 🔗

I don’t agree the deep rooted psychological superiority of the Germans that allowed it to take place. It was the crippling poverty due to the treaty of Versailles that allowed the conditions for Hitler to rise to power.

290087 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Winston Smith, replying to JHuntz, 2, #1240 of 1952 🔗

Both of those were factors. But there were many factors that had to come together to allow that dark time to materialise. The German psyche was a factor.

290111 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ RickH, replying to JHuntz, 5, #1241 of 1952 🔗

After this year’s shit-show, I reckon we can’t afford to come over all superior re. mass psychological manipulation!

290185 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ TJN, replying to RickH, 3, #1242 of 1952 🔗

That’s a fair point.

290178 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ TJN, replying to JHuntz, 2, #1243 of 1952 🔗

I’d go along with that second sentence.

The destruction of the currency made ordinary Germans desperate.

Oh, and what are we doing here now …

290183 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ JHuntz, replying to TJN, 1, #1244 of 1952 🔗

Exactly, it is extremely concerning what is happening right now.

290461 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ TJN, replying to JHuntz, 1, #1245 of 1952 🔗

It’s amazing how many people can”t see it, or don’t want to.

290043 ▶▶▶▶ RickH, replying to Winston Smith, 1, #1246 of 1952 🔗

Nothing like a comic to narrate history 🙂

‘Spain abstained’ …. under a fascist regime installed by Hitler
‘France gave up’ … as did the Brits as they disappeared over the Channel
‘Ireland hated Britain’ … such that they provided facilities for monitoring the North Atlantic
America vacillating … and USSR evil communists …. were the key elements in finally vanquishing Hitler.

Yes – the truth is never straightforward.

290069 ▶▶▶▶▶ Winston Smith, replying to RickH, 2, #1247 of 1952 🔗

My tongue was firmly in my cheek, I reacted badly to the ‘typical of a limited understanding of WW2.’ holier-than-you statement from Fawkes.

290106 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ G.Fawkes, replying to Winston Smith, #1248 of 1952 🔗

Think of how the Germans feel, those who know a bit more of this story than the standard offering.

290117 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ RickH, replying to G.Fawkes, #1249 of 1952 🔗

Yes – if you have German friends, you will be aware of how badly scarred are the handed-down memories.

290044 ▶▶▶▶ Ewan Duffy, replying to Winston Smith, 2, #1250 of 1952 🔗

“Ireland hated Britain so sided with Hitler”

Absolutely untrue. Ireland was “neutral” on the side of the Allies, including selling food to Britain but not Germany (for this, Ireland received supplies of locomotive coal from Britain to ensure that trains carrying food for export to Britain could run), provided weather reports to the Allies and provided an access corridor across south Donegal for flying boats on Lough Erne.

290055 ▶▶▶▶▶ Winston Smith, replying to Ewan Duffy, #1251 of 1952 🔗

So why did the Irish Prime Minister attend Hitler’s funeral?

290064 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Nigel Sherratt, replying to Winston Smith, #1252 of 1952 🔗

Don’t think AH had one but Hyde and de Valera offered condolences on his death.

290068 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ RickH, replying to Winston Smith, #1253 of 1952 🔗

Tell us. It doesn’t alter the facts of actual alignment within that ‘neutral label’

290098 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Winston Smith, replying to RickH, 1, #1254 of 1952 🔗

Switzerland, whilst neutral, allowed the transportation of supplies between Italy and Germany.

290095 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Biker, replying to Winston Smith, 3, #1255 of 1952 🔗

Couldn’t have, he’s still alive living in a hole at the Artic Circle, saw it on the History channel .

290099 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Winston Smith, replying to Biker, 1, #1256 of 1952 🔗

🤣 🤣

290611 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ OKUK, replying to Winston Smith, #1257 of 1952 🔗

I Iike the idea of the Irish Tsaioeach flying into Berlin all aflame at war’s end to help pour petrol over the deceased Furher…above and beyond the call of duty!

290057 ▶▶▶▶▶ Nigel Sherratt, replying to Ewan Duffy, #1258 of 1952 🔗

That would explain Hyde and de Valera offering condolences on AH’s death.

https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/hyde-and-de-valera-offered-condolences-on-hitlers-death-25954338.html

290113 ▶▶▶▶▶ Aslangeo, replying to Ewan Duffy, 1, #1259 of 1952 🔗

Gordon Corrigan, a northern Irish military historian stated that about 40,000 Irishmen from the south volunteered to fight in the British armed forces, and had to be issued with civilian clothing in Liverpool as having them walk around Dublin in British army uniforms would have been a bit undiplomatic.

Allied airmen who crashed in Eire were allowed to escape, while Germans were locked up in internment. Corrigan stated that the Irish government was neutral against Germany.

290141 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Winston Smith, replying to Aslangeo, 1, #1260 of 1952 🔗

psstt – I know all about that, but thank you anyway 👍🏻

289945 richard riewer, 1, #1261 of 1952 🔗

http://clivebest.com/blog/?p=4386
The Venus/Earth CO2 Hoax. From 2011.

289953 Victoria, replying to Victoria, 12, #1262 of 1952 🔗

More censorship ……

I’m banned from YouTube

Last week I told you about YouTube removing my conversation with professor Sucharit Bhakdi because YouTube prohibits opinion that isn’t aligned with the Wuhan Health Organisation (WHO).

Anybody who trusts the WHO is a fool. It is a large, bureaucratic, political lobby group whose primary funders are the Gates Foundation and the Chinese Communist Party, and whose primary goal is governmental influence.

This morning, YouTube removed another video of mine. Plus, YouTube banned me for a week.

The video in question?

My conversation with David Icke from back in April.

I backed up the video on another platform, so you can still watch it.

My medium-term plan is to leave YouTube and upload all my conversations to Rumble , an excellent platform that doesn’t ban videos like mine.

But remember, fellow slaves.

Nicki Minaj gets celebrated for videos, but have a conversation about a virus, and you’ll be found guilty of “inappropriate content”.

https://jermdraws.com/blog

290129 ▶▶ Andrew K, replying to Victoria, 4, #1263 of 1952 🔗

WOW Just kistened to the video, he predicted everything to a tee that would happen in the UK since April 10

290203 ▶▶ richard riewer, replying to Victoria, 3, #1264 of 1952 🔗

And Tedros was an executioner in a former life.

289957 Sarigan, 6, #1265 of 1952 🔗
289968 calchas, replying to calchas, 24, #1266 of 1952 🔗

So, the situation by March or April is:

We refuse to take the vaccine (in sufficient numbers)

They refuse to give us our freedom.

Who blinks first?

How does the hostage situation develop?

289978 ▶▶ G.Fawkes, replying to calchas, 15, #1267 of 1952 🔗

Sturdy rope, flaming torches, pitchforks, harsh language, packed lunch.
That’s how this ends.

289994 ▶▶▶ Winston Smith, replying to G.Fawkes, 2, #1268 of 1952 🔗

Violence, Guy? Will there be any violence? 😁

290000 ▶▶▶▶ calchas, replying to Winston Smith, 12, #1269 of 1952 🔗

All rulers have an instinctive fear of the justly enraged mob.

We are many.They are few.

I don’t think any violence will be necessary.

290013 ▶▶▶▶▶ Winston Smith, replying to calchas, 3, #1270 of 1952 🔗

Shame 🙁

290084 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ calchas, replying to Winston Smith, 4, #1271 of 1952 🔗

Yeah I know – but only if they insist.

290015 ▶▶▶▶▶ RickH, replying to calchas, 5, #1272 of 1952 🔗

We are many.They are few.”

Depends who lines up on either side, doesn’t it?

290010 ▶▶▶ dhid, replying to G.Fawkes, 4, #1273 of 1952 🔗

Surely you mean:

“Packed lunch, sturdy rope, flaming torches, pitchforks, harsh language, a “few” drinks in the pub.” ?

Can’t delay lunch or not have a drink after work…..

290014 ▶▶▶▶ G.Fawkes, replying to dhid, 4, #1274 of 1952 🔗

Don’t fret, the revolution will take place at the weekend, after the footy.

290018 ▶▶▶▶▶ dhid, replying to G.Fawkes, 2, #1275 of 1952 🔗

Provided there’s no rugby that weekend….Might get delayed….

290029 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ G.Fawkes, replying to dhid, #1276 of 1952 🔗

No wonder we’ve still got a bloody royal family.

290125 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ dhid, replying to G.Fawkes, 1, #1277 of 1952 🔗

Lol!

290033 ▶▶ Basileus, replying to calchas, 4, #1278 of 1952 🔗

They still need a successful rollout and that is by no means free of risks.

290458 ▶▶▶ annie, replying to Basileus, 1, #1279 of 1952 🔗

I’m placing a lot of my hopes in NHS incompetence.

289972 awildgoose, 2, #1280 of 1952 🔗

A friend from Da Norf exposes crisis acting slag Tara Langston and her role perpetrating the current hysteria:

https://www.bitchute.com/video/3Ag4nVj67auU/

289980 Colin, replying to Colin, 1, #1281 of 1952 🔗

I see the Swedes have let us down…

289999 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to Colin, 2, #1282 of 1952 🔗

How so?

289981 Victoria, replying to Victoria, 13, #1283 of 1952 🔗

Just completed World Vaccine Polls – interesting results

https://www.worldvaccinepoll.com

289991 ▶▶ Dan Clarke, replying to Victoria, 2, #1284 of 1952 🔗

Looks like the got the results they wanted……

290059 ▶▶ BTLnewbie, replying to Victoria, 4, #1285 of 1952 🔗

The website must be preaching to the converted, but 60,000 results is not to be sneezed at (as it were!).
Incidentally I completed it yesterday and again today, so it must be devised by the Irish polling system where I believe ‘vote early, vote often’ was the watchword. [Apologies to all those I’ve offended, of course!]

289989 calchas, replying to calchas, 12, #1286 of 1952 🔗

“You can stick your poisoned vaccine up your arse”

https://twitter.com/JuergenH12/status/1335526196340252672

video from London

290006 ▶▶ JHuntz, replying to calchas, 3, #1287 of 1952 🔗

That’s a chant we can all get behind.

I personally find “stand up, take your freedom back” a bit cringy. I don’t’ think it’ll appeal to the zombies.

290020 ▶▶▶ Broken Cornets, replying to JHuntz, 3, #1288 of 1952 🔗

No war was ever won marching in 5/4 time.

290022 ▶▶▶ Richard O, replying to JHuntz, 4, #1289 of 1952 🔗

Forget the zombies, it’s the go along to get along crowd we need to focus out attention on. There are millions of them to be persuaded.

290035 ▶▶▶▶ JHuntz, replying to Richard O, 1, #1290 of 1952 🔗

I agree Richard which is why I think the megaphone guy should be very well versed on facts and a good orator to win over those on the fence.

290252 ▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to JHuntz, #1291 of 1952 🔗

They kicked off the Birmingham rally with it on Saturday.

290249 ▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to calchas, #1292 of 1952 🔗

‘Cos we are the 99%
We are the 99%
We are the 90
Together we are mighty
We are the 99%

290025 Maverick, replying to Maverick, 107, #1293 of 1952 🔗

I was refused service at McDonalds for not wearing mask!. I’ve pasted below a copy of the letter I’ve sent, to which I await a response, in case it helps anyone else in a similar position.

Breach of the Equality Act 2010


Dear Mr XXXXXX,

On Sunday xxxx 2020 I was refused the opportunity to purchase food, given my inability to wear a face covering, despite having a disability exemption, in clear breach of Section 15 of the Equality Act 2010.

At approximately 2.20pm I entered the premises, but was immediately challenged by a member of staff, who demanded I wear a mask, otherwise they would not allow me to purchase food. I explained that I had a valid exemption due to my disability, whereupon I was asked to prove my disability with a lanyard. I explained that wearing a disability lanyard was not a legal requirement and that I was ostracised enough without displaying to others that I was disabled. However, he still refused, leaving me to request to speak to the manager.

XXXXXX subsequently appeared, along with three other members of staff, which your CCTV images will confirm. I felt it was tantamount to harassment. In front of other customers, increasing my anxiety levels still further, I explained the situation twice, but she completely refused, blankly stating that it was “their policy”.

I went on to state that she personally was in breach of the Equality Act 2010 for disability discrimination and was liable to a significant fine and claim for damages if she refused to serve me due to not seeing evidence of my disability, thereby treating me less favourably than a non-disabled person. I said that I would take matters further and asked for her name, which I obtained by taking a photo of her name badge. As I left, the staff proceeded to mock me with comments such as “have a nice day” and “bye bye”, in an over-exaggerated, sarcastic tone.

Aside from being a breach of the act, the whole experience was intimidating and humiliating and totally unnecessary.

The incident was reported to Thames Valley Policy at 2.49pm and a full statement given. They confirmed officers would be in attendance.

As the owner of the business, you are responsible for instructing your employees that the new face covering regulations do not supersede other critical rights, protecting against invasion of privacy and disability discrimination and that the Equality Act 2010 trumps the face-covering law.

This is the reason government guidance states: ‘Those who have an age, health or disability reason for not wearing a face covering should not be routinely asked to give any written evidence of this, this includes exemption cards. No person needs to seek advice or request a letter from a medical professional about their reason for not wearing a face covering’.

My purpose in visiting McDonalds xxxxx was to buy food for my young, severely disabled son, eagerly waiting in the car outside with his mother. Given his condition, his diet is extremely limited with McDonalds food being his favourite. Needless to say, the trip didn’t turn out as expected, leaving me in shock and him – distraught.

If I don’t receive a response within 14 days of the date of this letter, I will have no alternative but to instruct my solicitor to commence legal action against your employee xxxxx and possibly yourself.

Yours sincerely,

xxxxxxx

290037 ▶▶ dhid, replying to Maverick, 12, #1294 of 1952 🔗

Brilliant.

290038 ▶▶ Liam, replying to Maverick, 15, #1295 of 1952 🔗

Bastards. I hope you hammer them.

290040 ▶▶ JHuntz, replying to Maverick, 11, #1296 of 1952 🔗

Well done and absolutely shocking you were treated like this.

290042 ▶▶ Victoria, replying to Maverick, 12, #1297 of 1952 🔗

Great letter

Glad you taking action after being so obviously discriminated at. Would be good if you could get this to Simon Dolan, keep Britain Free and TOBY

email us here . (Don’t assume we’ll pick them up in the comments.)

290047 ▶▶ BTLnewbie, replying to Maverick, 4, #1298 of 1952 🔗

Well done – excellent letter

290048 ▶▶ Sarigan, replying to Maverick, 23, #1299 of 1952 🔗

If you need any help with legal fees should it come to that, please set up a funding page as I would happily donate all I can.

290062 ▶▶▶ Liam, replying to Sarigan, 6, #1300 of 1952 🔗

Me too.

290065 ▶▶▶▶ Maverick, replying to Liam, #1301 of 1952 🔗

Thanks Liam.

290072 ▶▶▶▶▶ Liam, replying to Maverick, 4, #1302 of 1952 🔗

No problem mate, hope your lad is ok after his upset.

290089 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Maverick, replying to Liam, 14, #1303 of 1952 🔗

Thanks, he’s fine. We’re in the process of converting him to KFC! 🙂 I wanted to share the experience here to highlight one of the many injustices we are all facing daily, given the nonsensical rules imposed by the current dictatorship – one I stupidly voted for!

290063 ▶▶▶ Maverick, replying to Sarigan, 1, #1304 of 1952 🔗

Many thanks Sarigan, I appreciate that.

290511 ▶▶▶ CGL, replying to Sarigan, 1, #1305 of 1952 🔗

Here here

290053 ▶▶ Ozzie, replying to Maverick, 9, #1306 of 1952 🔗

Your treatment, at the hands of McD, is disgraceful – obviously a complete lack of training in this area. Your letter to them is spot on.

290058 ▶▶ OKUK, replying to Maverick, 4, #1307 of 1952 🔗

Excellent! Well done!!

290061 ▶▶ Tenchy, replying to Maverick, 12, #1308 of 1952 🔗

Hit them with a Subject Access Request (SAR) to obtain the spy camera footage.

290070 ▶▶ Cranmer, replying to Maverick, 2, #1309 of 1952 🔗

Well done sir! I’ll be happy to chip in for a defence fund if required. My guess is they may have had p*ss-takers in claiming exemption before, who they knew were not genuine, and they just assume that anyone without a mask is similar and won’t bother doing anything about it. They are about to get a shock! Please be prepared to go the press with this also.

290076 ▶▶▶ JHuntz, replying to Cranmer, 7, #1310 of 1952 🔗

Yes, I think mcds will retreat very quickly here with compensation and a manager being reprimanded. Doubt they’ll litigate.

290110 ▶▶▶ Chicot, replying to Cranmer, 26, #1311 of 1952 🔗

There is no such thing as “p*ss-takers in claiming exemption”. Anyone can claim exemption due to distress at having to wear a mask and it does not have to be verified by anything.

290123 ▶▶▶▶ JHuntz, replying to Chicot, 4, #1312 of 1952 🔗

it’s a point well made but the average rule following zombie sees said people as piss takers.

290243 ▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Cranmer, 3, #1313 of 1952 🔗

P*ss-takers or not, the “guidelines” say it’s not their place to challenge – though they are within their rights to refuse service. Two different issues though.

290251 ▶▶▶▶ Maverick, replying to Cheezilla, 3, #1314 of 1952 🔗

I don’t believe they are entitled to refuse service on the grounds of me not complying to their policies due to disability.

290557 ▶▶▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Maverick, 1, #1315 of 1952 🔗

The disability thing doesn’t apply to the fact that any business has the right to refuse you entry, which automatically denies you service.

290083 ▶▶ watashi, replying to Maverick, 3, #1316 of 1952 🔗

So sorry to hear that you faced this discrimination. Great letter!

290091 ▶▶ mjr, replying to Maverick, 7, #1317 of 1952 🔗

given that many Macdonalds outlets are franchise operations, i assume you have contacted the franchisee as well as Macdonalds themselves. Clearly a grey area over who is responsible for the employees and who is responsible for the procedures being followed

290093 ▶▶▶ Maverick, replying to mjr, 4, #1318 of 1952 🔗

You’re right mjr. The letter before action was sent to the franchise owner.

290142 ▶▶▶▶ mjr, replying to Maverick, 3, #1319 of 1952 🔗

be interesting to see whose procedures are being implemented – whether it is the franchisees or whether they are just following orders from corporate

290151 ▶▶▶▶▶ Maverick, replying to mjr, 3, #1320 of 1952 🔗

I’m guessing it’s the franchisee as I don’t have an issue at any of the many other branches we frequent.

290173 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ mjr, replying to Maverick, 4, #1321 of 1952 🔗

in which case get the b*stards!!! good luck

290180 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Maverick, replying to mjr, 3, #1322 of 1952 🔗

Thanks. I’ll keep LS followers updated.

290112 ▶▶ fiery, replying to Maverick, 1, #1323 of 1952 🔗

Well done!

290116 ▶▶ janis pennance, replying to Maverick, 6, #1324 of 1952 🔗

Epic response … hope they shit themselves and apologise

290148 ▶▶ Richard O, replying to Maverick, 10, #1325 of 1952 🔗

A wonderful letter. I particularly enjoyed the description of the sarcastic farewells, so indicative of the arrogant stupidity of the Covid cult.

Let us make full use of the law while it is still there. We cannot assume that anything currently on the statute books will have any meaning much longer.

290168 ▶▶ Liz F, replying to Maverick, 6, #1326 of 1952 🔗

What a horrible experience. So much for Happy Meals.

290169 ▶▶ vargas99, replying to Maverick, 6, #1327 of 1952 🔗

Whilst I might question why on earth you want want to eat the shite that is Maccy D’s I am super proud of you standing up to these twats. Best of luck in screwing them for as much as you can get and teaching them a lesson into the bargain!

290189 ▶▶▶ Maverick, replying to vargas99, 7, #1328 of 1952 🔗

Thank you. I totally agree. However, the food from McDonalds is always just for my severely disabled son, who amongst many other things, suffers from ARFID which is a feeding disorder and means he has a highly restricted diet. When it’s a choice of McDonalds or a feeding tube, there’s only one option.

290170 ▶▶ smileymiley, replying to Maverick, 3, #1329 of 1952 🔗

Excellent letter. Please post up the response if you get one.

290187 ▶▶ richard riewer, replying to Maverick, #1330 of 1952 🔗

Have they reached a Trillion Sold yet?

290212 ▶▶ The Filthy Engineer, replying to Maverick, 3, #1331 of 1952 🔗

Not sure what MaccyD’s will do about it. I was in MaccyD’s on Saturday too: Maskless and unchallenged. I noticed other people in there too, also maskless one or two had exemption lanyards. The problem is that many MaccyD restaurants are franchises and I’ve no idea what scope there restaurants have to set their own local policies while maintaining the MaccyD brand.

Forgot to add: Great letter. Fuck ’em. Fuck ’em all and their discriminatory practices.

290237 ▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to The Filthy Engineer, 4, #1332 of 1952 🔗

Isn’t the point of a franchise that everything’s cloned and predictable?

290618 ▶▶▶▶ The Filthy Engineer, replying to Cheezilla, #1333 of 1952 🔗

I agree and I think that the franchisee has brought the brand into disreputation.

290225 ▶▶ Silke David, replying to Maverick, 2, #1334 of 1952 🔗

Sadly there are always plenty of people who will buy there.

290250 ▶▶ Banjones, replying to Maverick, 3, #1335 of 1952 🔗

Will you let us know what these unspeakable pl*nkers have to say in their defence?

290259 ▶▶▶ Maverick, replying to Banjones, 2, #1336 of 1952 🔗

I will do!

290466 ▶▶ annie, replying to Maverick, 2, #1337 of 1952 🔗

Brilliant, keep us posted, every good wish.

290079 Cranmer, 36, #1338 of 1952 🔗

Good news about the big turnout for the Christmas fair in Nottingham. It shows large numbers of people have had enough. Bad news that it got pulled – only in the bizarro-world of modern Britain would an event be cancelled for being too popular. However, it’s hopefully a foretaste of what’s going to happen during the Christmas reprieve period and I hope that people will have a ‘moment of clarity’ during that, and refuse to go back into servitude afterwards.

290096 Cecil B, replying to Cecil B, 16, #1339 of 1952 🔗

All the facts are pretty much known about now

Just waiting for the half wits to catch up

I’ve turned my mind as to who will play Toby in the film

A life affirming blockbuster ‘based on a true story’ (yep that old chestnut)

Toby will be portrayed as a black transvestite, lesbian, mother of thirty living on a sink estate in Wolverhampton

Nominations on a postcard please (Ant and Dec are not available I checked with their agent)

290102 ▶▶ calchas, replying to Cecil B, 7, #1340 of 1952 🔗

“Toby will be portrayed as a black transvestite, lesbian, mother of thirty living on a sink estate in Wolverhampton”

What, you mean he isn’t?

290115 ▶▶▶ dhid, replying to calchas, 1, #1341 of 1952 🔗

News to me too!

290799 ▶▶ D B, replying to Cecil B, #1342 of 1952 🔗

That brummie lass who does the competitions on This Morning

290107 janis pennance, replying to janis pennance, 1, #1343 of 1952 🔗

I’m a bit confused by my MP’s reply to questions about ct threshholds
Here it is ..what is he saying or is he flim flamming ?

Thank you for your further email regarding COVID-19 tests.

There is an issue of semantics here, I said infected, not infectious. Infected being having virus present. We could have a non productive and entirely secondary discussion as to what extent there must be a load of virus in a persons system for them to count as ‘infected’ vs having residual traces.

As stated in my previous email, preliminary estimates for the current rate of operational false-positive swab tests in the UK it could be somewhere between 0.8 per cent and 4.0 per cent. The tests are also understood to produce false negatives in between 2 and 29 per cent of cases.

It is not true that using a high number of amplification cycles in a PCR test will lead to a positive diagnosis. When undertaking a PCR test, a sample will be collected from parts of the body where the virus gathers, such as a person’s nose or throat. This sample will be treated with chemicals to remove substances such as proteins and fats, until only genetic material to identify the virus is still available. Then, the sample is placed into a machine which cycles through temperatures that heat and cool the sample to trigger chemical reactions that cause the virus’ DNA, if present, to create an identical copy of itself.

Each cycle will cause the amount to double. When a certain level is met, this tells the person running the test that the virus was present in the original sample. In the UK, if more than 40 cycles are carried out a laboratory clinician will rerun the test: a positive test will only be notified where the number of cycles is 40 or lower. The universal standard is to use a maximum of 40 cycles of amplification.

PCR tests are still currently considered the optimal way to test for the COVID-19 virus. Once again, thank you for your email.

Kind regards,

Kieran

Dr Kieran Mullan MP
Member of Parliament for Crewe and Nantwich

290179 ▶▶▶ Winston Smith, replying to Winston Smith, 3, #1345 of 1952 🔗

Even Public Health England admits it

290232 ▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Winston Smith, 1, #1346 of 1952 🔗

Exactly!

290135 ▶▶ leggy, replying to janis pennance, 5, #1347 of 1952 🔗

It is not true that using a high number of amplification cycles in a PCR test will lead to a positive diagnosis.

What?! Is he nuts?

290314 ▶▶▶ Rowan, replying to leggy, 2, #1348 of 1952 🔗

Clearly the man is nineteen shillings short of a pound.

290160 ▶▶ RickH, replying to janis pennance, 5, #1349 of 1952 🔗

Infected being having virus present.”

In answer to your opening question : yes, he’s flim-flamming.

Carl Heneghan has recently pointed out that a PCR+ result does not represent detection of a virus – only a RNA fragment.

290293 ▶▶▶ Rowan, replying to RickH, #1350 of 1952 🔗

As there is now no coronavirus pandemic, virtually all positive test results will be incorrect and then of course, virtually all negative results will be correct. So stop the testing and it all goes away.

290171 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to janis pennance, 4, #1351 of 1952 🔗

That’s great to see a reply actually willing to tackle the issue.

Now I’ve said that, he is basically saying it’s acceptable to lockdown entire populations and end businesses that are of no viral threat to anyone. These people think that a sledgehammer policy such as PCR is justified. Its not. Its insane. Its elitist.

290317 ▶▶▶ janis pennance, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 1, #1352 of 1952 🔗

He has been pretty good on the whole … takes a lot of hard work and pointed questions to get an actual answer . Plus the answers usually don’t relate to the actual question .

290234 ▶▶ Sam Vimes, replying to janis pennance, 2, #1353 of 1952 🔗

PCR tests are still currently considered the optimal way to test for the COVID-19 virus.
Except by their inventor, of course. But what would he know?

290271 ▶▶ Banjones, replying to janis pennance, 1, #1354 of 1952 🔗

You can imagine this bunch telling their minions to tap out some sort of general reply to the peasants, then casting an eye over it, and saying ”That’ll do – just copy and paste it to anyone who brings the subject up”.

Did you ask him for a patronising lecture? Is he aware that you just may be an epidemiologist or a professor of immunology, or an expert in evidence-based medicine?

I’m just writing to my own self-serving and hypocritical MP – AGAIN. I’ve told her not to reply – if I want to hear the party line then I’ll go to the website.

290329 ▶▶▶ janis pennance, replying to Banjones, 1, #1355 of 1952 🔗

Indeed, pissed me right off when he said we could have a “Non productive” discussion . I took that to mean stop bothering me with things that won’t change the way I vote or my super duper understanding of the entire situation.
He is also pro health mandates to stop us all killing our relatives
Medical Dogma he owns the phrase

290109 wendy, replying to wendy, 28, #1356 of 1952 🔗

I couldn’t avoid a trip to Tesco today. Apart from me and perhaps 2 pother people all masked up, signs everywhere and one way systems, felt awful and I got out ASAP, though I did feel that most people were just going through the motions and would rip the masks off at first chance. This then is normal shopping.

On the way back home I called in at the local church to drop off items others might be able to use. No one masked, all friendly and welcoming, they had just had a load of boxes of vegetables delivered so everyone was getting what they needed. This church is in a really poor area and caters for alcohol and drug users and folks with mental illnesses. These are folks on the edges of society. I know which place felt more friendly, real and normal.

Later I popped into town, nice and busy and on they way back I saw a neighbour who said it’s awful all the people shopping, I said why, they just want to be out, he said they just don’t know how dangerous it is, and he thought the Government should intervene and shut the shops to safeguard people’s health!!! I said I don’t think it is dangerous and walked off quickly before I got too angry with my neighbour. FFS how are we going to get through to people?

I also walked past the Manchester Nightingale, I had forgotten it was still there to be honest. It looked deathly quiet, a few security guards in cabins drinking tea and chatting. And I past the NHS test centre in central Salford which was completely empty apart from the staff, it was 4pm so perhaps no bookings at that time?

Finally I saw and chatted with one of the security officers from the University who said they had done a couple of thousand lateral flow tests on the students prior to allowing them to leave campus. 2 positives only. Let’s hope this is an indication of mass tastings usefulness.

I am not sure what we might take from this little round up? Perhaps most folks are not fearful, the nightingales a waste of time and money and mass testing is pointless?

290120 ▶▶ JHuntz, replying to wendy, 14, #1357 of 1952 🔗

lateral flow test start to get rolled out in tandem with vaccine. If I was one of those dreaded conspiracy theorist people i’d say that’s awfully convenient.

290138 ▶▶▶ calchas, replying to JHuntz, 8, #1358 of 1952 🔗

I am guessing that ‘lateral flow’ refers to the flow of money into certain pockets – the ‘lateral’ bit refers to the fact that few people are noticing it.

290133 ▶▶ calchas, replying to wendy, 12, #1359 of 1952 🔗

So, I’m glad to say that you didn’t spot the pandemic while you were out. I wonder where it’s got to.

Pretty pathetic this pandemic. If I were paying for it , I’d want my money back.

290181 ▶▶▶ Liam, replying to calchas, 11, #1360 of 1952 🔗

We’re all paying for it, and we won’t be getting our money back.

290315 ▶▶▶▶ William Gruff, replying to Liam, 2, #1361 of 1952 🔗

Or our liberty.

290191 ▶▶▶ Sarigan, replying to calchas, 6, #1362 of 1952 🔗

The most disappointing movie of 2020?

290224 ▶▶▶ JHuntz, replying to calchas, 5, #1363 of 1952 🔗

There is always someone who knows so and sos, brothers, nephews, uncles, sisters cousin who had a touch of the sniffles and it was definitely the rona

290227 ▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to calchas, 5, #1364 of 1952 🔗

Our children will pay for it for decades.

290471 ▶▶ annie, replying to wendy, 1, #1365 of 1952 🔗

As fir your neighbours, there’s no point in arguing with a zombie. We’ve experienced that time and again,

290124 Bella Donna, replying to Bella Donna, 15, #1366 of 1952 🔗

Brace yourselves, its likely Boris is going to dish up BRINO. He has the spine of a jellyfish!

290143 ▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Bella Donna, #1367 of 1952 🔗

I forecast this time last year that he’d crash out with a no-deal Brexit.

290321 ▶▶▶ IanE, replying to Cheezilla, #1368 of 1952 🔗

If only!

290156 ▶▶ Stuart, replying to Bella Donna, 2, #1369 of 1952 🔗

Crashout is not BRINO, I assure you.

290204 ▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Stuart, #1370 of 1952 🔗

I know.
I meant he couldn’t be trusted, whichever way it went. Obviously I didn’t actually say that. (cue blushing emoji)

290209 ▶▶ TheOriginalBlackPudding, replying to Bella Donna, 3, #1371 of 1952 🔗

Or as Ross Clark puts it:

Boris has shown himself to be nothing if not versatile in his views, liable to change his mind according to the last piece of advice he was given….On the evidence of the government’s Covid response, all it will take is a frightening graph claiming of how, say, the price of carrots will rocket in the event of a no deal – and a soft deal will be on the cards

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2020/12/07/outcome-negotiations-rests-single-question-will-boris-blink/

290242 ▶▶▶ RickH, replying to TheOriginalBlackPudding, 1, #1372 of 1952 🔗

The link between Brexit and Covid?

The snake-oil scammers fill their boots in both cases.

290380 ▶▶▶ Toby Pierides, replying to TheOriginalBlackPudding, #1373 of 1952 🔗

Brexit and Covid only differ on whom Johnson gets his orders from on the elite pyramid. Soros or Gates…

290240 ▶▶ Richard O, replying to Bella Donna, 2, #1374 of 1952 🔗

The Johnson junta will choose whatever causes the most suffering to the British people.

290278 ▶▶ Rowan, replying to Bella Donna, 2, #1375 of 1952 🔗

Boris is more of a jellied heel.

290136 Cecil B, replying to Cecil B, 14, #1376 of 1952 🔗

I’m feeling particular granular this fine afternoon

No I don’t know what it means, but then again neither do the twats who keep using it

290146 ▶▶ Sarigan, replying to Cecil B, #1377 of 1952 🔗

A bit bitty?

290161 ▶▶ G.Fawkes, replying to Cecil B, 3, #1379 of 1952 🔗

Underpant sand. It costs lives you know.

290196 ▶▶▶ calchas, replying to G.Fawkes, 6, #1380 of 1952 🔗

I wear my underpants to protect you. You wear your underpants to protect me.

290220 ▶▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to calchas, 3, #1381 of 1952 🔗

I wear them outside my trousers so you can feel safe.

290226 ▶▶▶▶▶ Sam Vimes, replying to Cheezilla, 3, #1382 of 1952 🔗

I’m not feeling anything outside your trousers!

290354 ▶▶▶▶▶ mjr, replying to Cheezilla, #1383 of 1952 🔗

are you mild mannered Clark Kent?

290548 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to mjr, #1384 of 1952 🔗

No. I’m actually an aggressive virtue signaller.

290504 ▶▶▶▶▶ Hieronimusb, replying to Cheezilla, 1, #1385 of 1952 🔗

Steve Bell made great copy out of depicting John Major in that guise .The Graun was worth reading back then, where did we go wrong? Forget I asked that..

290564 ▶▶▶▶▶ A. Contrarian, replying to Cheezilla, #1386 of 1952 🔗

And I hang them round my neck when I don’t need them.

290720 ▶▶▶▶▶ Nigel Sherratt, replying to Cheezilla, #1387 of 1952 🔗

Woody Allen, Bananas

Esposito:
From this day on, the official language of San Marcos will be Swedish. Silence! In addition to that, all citizens will be required to change their underwear every half-hour. Underwear will be worn on the outside so we can check. Furthermore, all children under 16 years old are now… 16 years old!

290231 ▶▶▶▶ crimsonpirate, replying to calchas, 2, #1388 of 1952 🔗

I turn my underpants inside out after 3 days to save the environment

290429 ▶▶▶▶▶ Cranmer, replying to crimsonpirate, #1389 of 1952 🔗

I make sure I’m always wearing clean underpants, in case I am suddenly rushed into hospital with Covids.

290552 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Cranmer, #1390 of 1952 🔗

Stay laundry safe!

290550 ▶▶▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to crimsonpirate, #1391 of 1952 🔗

Well I hope you wear them inside your trousers!

290163 ▶▶ Stuart, replying to Cecil B, 2, #1392 of 1952 🔗

Ooh! Covid vaccines on sugar lumps, just like for polio.

290157 NickR, replying to NickR, 9, #1393 of 1952 🔗

7 day average positive tests. It isn’t the recent downturn that interests me as much as the flatlining prior to lockdown, the Government’s own data illustrates just what a waste of it was.

290172 ▶▶ Stuart, replying to NickR, 2, #1394 of 1952 🔗

Snot Patrol up-ramming falls under the Offences Against the Person Acts. Lateral flow sounds far more cosy.

290192 ▶▶▶ calchas, replying to Stuart, 2, #1395 of 1952 🔗

Yeah man – just go with the lateral flow.

290273 ▶▶▶ Rowan, replying to Stuart, #1396 of 1952 🔗

And just as meaningless.

290165 NickR, replying to NickR, 8, #1397 of 1952 🔗

Hospital admissions also show that there was no need for the 2nd lockdown, were hospitals being over-run? Did anyone consider moving a few patients somewhere else?

290186 ▶▶ Stuart, replying to NickR, 8, #1398 of 1952 🔗

Hospitals were emptied out in last March’s coup de main and will not be filled again in our lifetimes.

Staff are in rehearsal for the TikTok panto, which should be spectacular.

290235 ▶▶▶ RickH, replying to Stuart, #1399 of 1952 🔗

Hospitals are operating at a higher level than during the great chuck-out – but still not up to real capacity, let alone a capacity that would be considered sufficient in most of Europe.

Then we have the walls behind which GP’s have retreated.

The problem isn’t ‘the NHS’ per se. That’s bollocks. It’s the political control of it and lack of insulation, to which has been exposed over the past 20 years.

290272 ▶▶▶ Rowan, replying to Stuart, #1400 of 1952 🔗

Yes, they’ve had an awful lot of rehearsal time.

290266 ▶▶ Andy Riley, replying to NickR, #1401 of 1952 🔗

Nick,
These annotated graphics are good. Have you collected together them anywhere?

290288 ▶▶▶ NickR, replying to Andy Riley, 1, #1402 of 1952 🔗

They’re all saved, but a bit like yesterday’s paper, only useful for wrapping virtual Fish n Chips.

290308 ▶▶ Old Normal, replying to NickR, 1, #1403 of 1952 🔗

Imagine the hospital capacity they could have built up if they’d not spunked billions on an app and a useless test and trace programme.

How many hospitals, doctors and nurses would that have paid for?

290348 ▶▶▶ Marialta, replying to Old Normal, 2, #1404 of 1952 🔗

At the start of all this I remember reading that for all the money spent (wasted) they could have provided a luxury holiday in the sun for anyone at risk. It would have been cheaper. And healthier than trying to manage stuck indoors 🤣

290435 ▶▶▶▶ Sue, replying to Marialta, 2, #1405 of 1952 🔗

yup they could have isolated them on all those empty cruise liners and fed them caviar and champagne for 6 months with evening entertainment and would still have been cheaper and they would have had great fun rather than isolated alone here!!

290588 ▶▶▶▶▶ Two-Six, replying to Sue, #1406 of 1952 🔗

holidays in the sun should really be a thing the state provides to the elderly and anybody else who needs some therapy for what ever reason. Before covid, oh now, there is no money for that….now…well.

290417 ▶▶▶ Jonathan Palmer, replying to Old Normal, 2, #1407 of 1952 🔗

They could have run the NHS for 3 years on the money they have wasted.

290175 zacaway, replying to zacaway, 11, #1408 of 1952 🔗

Nadhim Zahawi rules out ‘immunity passports’
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Uz0gJKh6-ng

At least for now… or until they come up with another name for it.

290195 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to zacaway, #1409 of 1952 🔗

Well at least it’s something.

Mirrored walls? Some kind of fun house he is living in

290201 ▶▶ JHuntz, replying to zacaway, 7, #1410 of 1952 🔗

Yes, he was not misspoken at all he meant every word he said. It just so happens this is the first policy that infuriated the british public.

290206 ▶▶▶ zacaway, replying to JHuntz, 8, #1411 of 1952 🔗

I’ve noticed “misspoken” is newspeak for “I fucked up and retract what I said earlier”.

So they found a line the public won’t cross. About time!

290211 ▶▶▶▶ RickH, replying to zacaway, 13, #1412 of 1952 🔗

Don’t get too optimistic. It can just as well mean :

“I fucked up, and I’ll back off until we’ve done more brainwashing’.

290218 ▶▶▶▶▶ zacaway, replying to RickH, 4, #1413 of 1952 🔗

Oh yes, I’m sure they’ll try to find another way.

290246 ▶▶ Richard O, replying to zacaway, 3, #1414 of 1952 🔗

Loathsome as social media is, I’m sure the fact that this idea went down like a lead balloon on those platforms has contributed to this statement.

290472 ▶▶ annie, replying to zacaway, 1, #1415 of 1952 🔗

‘Ruled out’ always means ‘it’s going to happen’.

290574 ▶▶▶ Alethea, replying to annie, #1416 of 1952 🔗

Michael Gove on the Marr show, after 48 hours of relentless pro-mask bullying from the media, said that he did not think masks should be made mandatory. The very next morning it was announced that they would be made mandatory.
When I recall such episodes it’s hard to stand my own anger.

290176 NickR, replying to NickR, 7, #1417 of 1952 🔗

We’re only now just beginning to see any impact Lockdown may have had on deaths, but the reality is, this curve was always heading down, lockdown or no.
Deaths up to now were ‘baked in’ from infections prior to lockdown, it followed a pattern predicted by everyone except the people who benefit from continuing the narrative.

290200 ▶▶ Bugle, replying to NickR, 9, #1418 of 1952 🔗

Wait for the confected ‘outbreaks’ after Christmas.

290215 ▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Bugle, 1, #1419 of 1952 🔗

We will be punished!

290534 ▶▶▶▶ FlynnQuill, replying to Cheezilla, 2, #1420 of 1952 🔗

Oh yes, we will reap the whirlwind. Another fabricated third spike will appear, I’ve already predicted it months ago. Hope I’m wrong.

290545 ▶▶▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to FlynnQuill, #1421 of 1952 🔗

They’ve already assured us that you aren’t wrong!

290256 ▶▶▶ Andy Riley, replying to Bugle, 5, #1422 of 1952 🔗

There is a spike in deaths every year after Xmas/new year when measured by date of registration due to register offices catching up. If they present this as an actual spike there will be no further doubt as to their intentions and methods.

290270 ▶▶▶ Rowan, replying to Bugle, #1423 of 1952 🔗

Well you would have that Christmas dinner for seven.

290295 ▶▶▶ Old Normal, replying to Bugle, 1, #1424 of 1952 🔗

They may exercise some caution on that because if infections go up after Christmas in the oldest age group, it won’t say much about the vaccine.

290426 ▶▶▶▶ Cranmer, replying to Old Normal, #1425 of 1952 🔗

They can claim that ‘granny was protected by the vaccine’ but younger ‘vulnerable’ family members were not, and there have been tragic cases of the sniffles across all of the UK.

290424 ▶▶▶ Cranmer, replying to Bugle, #1426 of 1952 🔗

Yes, I’m expecting it to be announced as the ‘third wave’ any day now.

290490 ▶▶▶▶ MiriamW-sometimes-AlanG, replying to Cranmer, #1427 of 1952 🔗

Please see my reply to Bugle – it looks exactly what is planned. MW

290487 ▶▶▶ MiriamW-sometimes-AlanG, replying to Bugle, #1428 of 1952 🔗

Don’t worry: Health Service Journal (‘For Healthcare Leaders’) is on the case. It’s behind a massive paywall but the title gives the gist:

NHS facing third wave with 10-20 times more covid patients than September By Alastair McLellan 7 December 2020 comment image

Concern is growing that NHS hospitals may face a third wave of the coronavirus pandemic with a much higher level of covid-positive inpatients than at the beginning of the second wave.

The little graphic shows what’s happening to the ‘second wave’. Notice even they say ‘covid-positive’ patients. MW

290535 ▶▶▶▶ A. Contrarian, replying to MiriamW-sometimes-AlanG, 1, #1429 of 1952 🔗

10-20 times more than September?! September only had between 100 and 400 admitted per day for the whole of the UK, but even so, ten times more than that would be 1,000-4,000 per day and twenty times more would be double that. We’ve had up to 1,600 or so per day in the “second wave” so in theory that bottom bound would be possible, but 8,000 per day is getting dangerously close to the territory of Whitty and his Dodgy Dossier, isn’t it?

To get the same (highly unlikely) numbers, they could have said we might see 2-4 times the current admission rates, but of course that doesn’t sound so dramatic…

290184 richard riewer, 4, #1430 of 1952 🔗

Consensus: Pre-determined outcomes that you never were consented about, or agreed on, brought to you by the Global Action Plan and the United Nations. All Hail!

290198 NickR, replying to NickR, 8, #1431 of 1952 🔗

Coincidence?

290257 ▶▶ Two-Six, replying to NickR, 4, #1432 of 1952 🔗

More like Cane from Command and Conquer.
comment image

I think the cut-scenes in event 201 looked just like cut scenes out of Command and Conquer…funny that.

290287 ▶▶ Banjones, replying to NickR, 1, #1433 of 1952 🔗

Isn’t he another one without any medical qualification or experience? (See M Hancock.)

However, I understand that he is a co-founder of You-gov so he knows something about manipulating people.

290205 Ewan Duffy, replying to Ewan Duffy, 7, #1434 of 1952 🔗

https://www.independent.ie/news/rte-stars-to-be-sent-on-covid-19-course-as-review-finds-five-safety-breaches-at-retirement-gathering-39836031.html

You couldn’t make it up. RTE (State broadcaster in Ireland) staff held a retirement do in breach of COVID19 rules.

Staff involved will be sent on a “Covid-19 induction training course”. 🙁

290228 ▶▶ Tenchy, replying to Ewan Duffy, 7, #1435 of 1952 🔗

Is that course something like a “diversity awareness course”? Such “courses” can be summed up in a single word; “brainwashing”.

290537 ▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Ewan Duffy, 1, #1436 of 1952 🔗

Facilitated by Common Purpose!

290207 Margaret, replying to Margaret, 13, #1437 of 1952 🔗

COVID-19: Britons back air travel ban for people who’ve not received coronavirus vaccine, poll suggests

So no foreign holidays for your children under 16 then.

290217 ▶▶ calchas, replying to Margaret, 15, #1438 of 1952 🔗

There we are.

They think that the vaccine means ‘back to normal’.

They do not realize that the days of mass air travel are meant to be over.

This is good for us, who are looking to mobilize disappointment.

290247 ▶▶▶ Sarigan, replying to calchas, 3, #1439 of 1952 🔗

My days of relaizing are long gone

290264 ▶▶▶ Rowan, replying to calchas, 8, #1440 of 1952 🔗

Yes indeed, travelling is to be strongly discouraged for the masses and proof of vaccination will soon not be nearly enough. In a year or two though, the vaccinated will have little urge to travel and many of them will have already made their final journey. Now that’s the one where only fifteen, or is it thirty, can come to cheer you off, though once the vaccines get going even fifteen might be really quite something.

290309 ▶▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to calchas, 6, #1441 of 1952 🔗

And yet Ryanair have ordered a bunch of 40 or so new Boeings. They are going to be the mop bucket for all the collapsed airlines

290608 ▶▶▶▶ awildgoose, replying to BeBopRockSteady, #1442 of 1952 🔗

The 737 MAX are simply another means of culling the herd.

290253 ▶▶ Poppy, replying to Margaret, 12, #1443 of 1952 🔗

The thing with polls like this is that people often say what they think looks virtuous and what the pollsters want to hear, rather than what they actually think or want for themselves.

There are currently no plans to roll out the vaccine to under 50s and if they do, I think they’ll have a very hard job convincing those people to take it, especially young people for whom the disease poses no threat but who bear the very real risk of unknown long-term side effects, such as infertility. This cuts off a very substantial portion of society from travel etc. Businesses, if they know what’s good for them, won’t stand for it.

290267 ▶▶▶ Paul, replying to Poppy, 9, #1444 of 1952 🔗

The problem is that this year has proven that hell of a lot of businesses have no clue what is actually good for them.

290357 ▶▶▶ RickH, replying to Poppy, 1, #1445 of 1952 🔗

what the pollsters want to hear, rather than what they actually think”

Oh no. Never sentimentally overestimate the wisdom of crowds. As the saying goes – think of the person of average intelligence … and then consider that 50% are less intelligent.

290533 ▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Poppy, 3, #1446 of 1952 🔗

The questions are loaded. Polls are inevitably rigged.

290291 ▶▶ Banjones, replying to Margaret, 4, #1447 of 1952 🔗

”Polls suggest….” And worried people will always answer what they think won’t get them into trouble. And the pollsters know how to word a question to get the answer they want anyway.
Mr Zahawi knows something about this kind of manipulation, I believe.

290310 ▶▶▶ Margaret, replying to Banjones, 1, #1448 of 1952 🔗

Agree, Poppy and Banjones. I know a lot of people who will never think through their actions to assess what the consequences might be for them. This is a case in point.

290421 ▶▶▶ Cranmer, replying to Banjones, 2, #1449 of 1952 🔗

‘Polls suggest’…’a source said’…’there are growing calls for’…’people are saying’…’a new survey shows’ etc all beloved weasel words of our mainstream media.

290313 ▶▶ mhcp, replying to Margaret, 6, #1450 of 1952 🔗

Until Muslim pilgrims want to go on Hadj and they’ve categorically said no to taking a vaccine

290419 ▶▶ Cranmer, replying to Margaret, 2, #1451 of 1952 🔗

This can then be reported by the BBC etc as ‘there are growing calls for an air travel ban…’ etc

290489 ▶▶ A. Contrarian, replying to Margaret, 1, #1452 of 1952 🔗

Do they realise that will include a lot of them, since there are currently no plans to vaccinate the under 50s?

290221 Silke David, replying to Silke David, 7, #1453 of 1952 🔗

I finally received my annual parcel from Germany with xmas goodies today. It was sent 7 days ago.
I wondered if they maybe keep parcels in quarantine, but I now know they must have sprayed disinfectant or sth on it, as I had an allergic reaction after handling it.
I took myself off for a walk and fresh air and the symptoms subsided.
I also experience them when leaving a supermarket. Runny nose, tight stomach and usually I have to belch a few times.
Does anyone else experience that?

290233 ▶▶ Cecil B, replying to Silke David, 10, #1454 of 1952 🔗

Yes after eight pints of cider and a vindaloo

290258 ▶▶▶ Hieronimusb, replying to Cecil B, 1, #1455 of 1952 🔗

After 8 pints of decent scrumpy, ignoring the oxymoron, you can watch an entire Roman Legion crossing the road right in front of you; a vindaloo on top of that lot would amount to a biohazard from which you might never recover! I’d rather take my chances with the virus.

290265 ▶▶▶▶ arfurmo, replying to Hieronimusb, 1, #1456 of 1952 🔗

Not connected with the company in any way but recently bought some Taunton Cider Company “Proper Natch” . It’s 5.5% but seems more potent than 5.5% beer if that is possible.

290275 ▶▶▶▶▶ Hieronimusb, replying to arfurmo, 2, #1457 of 1952 🔗

The stuff they served in the Coronation Tap in Bristol during the 70s was rocket fuel laced with dynamite – whole weekends were lost forever..

290311 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Fingerache Philip., replying to Hieronimusb, #1458 of 1952 🔗

Anybody remember The Cider house at Wootton in Shropshire twixt Stourbridge and Bridgnorth?
The “hard stuff” had apple cores floating on the top.

290337 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Fiona Walker, replying to Fingerache Philip., 2, #1459 of 1952 🔗

During lockdown I have become a connoisseur of Inperial Stout, 10-14% in a 440ml can. I can only manage one a night but they are close to heaven.

290403 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Winston Smith, replying to Fiona Walker, 2, #1460 of 1952 🔗

Oh yes, me and Julia share a can or two (or three) of a cold winter’s evening.

Particular favourites, Storming the Emperor Castle (Castle Rock Brewery) and Yellow Belly (Buxton Brewery)

290352 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Hieronimusb, replying to Fingerache Philip., 3, #1461 of 1952 🔗

Never had the pleasure but some of that stuff is more hallucinogenic than LSD (so I’ve been told.. stage cough)

290400 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Fingerache Philip., replying to Hieronimusb, 1, #1462 of 1952 🔗

Apart from the effects on your mental state the Cider house stuff was a “super” laxative and many a victim was too late dropping his “kegs”

290414 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Cranmer, replying to Hieronimusb, 1, #1463 of 1952 🔗

A friend of mine was up at Bristol University in the 90s. He was invited to some pub or other but couldn’t find it so asked a policeman (for such things existed back then). The constable’s reply was ‘You don’t want to go there, boy – they serves loopy juice!’

290445 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Hieronimusb, replying to Cranmer, 1, #1464 of 1952 🔗

Sounds like the Coronation! You could get ‘orange top’ or ‘lemon top’ it was undrinkable without an additive to take away the taste. I was there ’72 to’75.

290477 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ thinkaboutit, replying to Hieronimusb, #1465 of 1952 🔗

Oh what memories! I’d forgotten that part of my life. Maybe just as well.

290523 ▶▶▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to arfurmo, #1466 of 1952 🔗

The effects of cider – scrumpy in particular – seem to take much longer for the liver to clear than those of beer.

290875 ▶▶▶▶ OKUK, replying to Hieronimusb, #1467 of 1952 🔗

Scrumpy? That’s the soft stuff. Try farm cider…green tint and you get off your head just breathing in the fumes, let alone drinking the stuff!!

290239 stefarm, replying to stefarm, 18, #1468 of 1952 🔗

Richie Allen live on air, he is replaying an interview, don’t know the expert (Stephen Evans I think, some twat from school of tropical medicine) but he has admitted the elderly will die after taking the vaccine (heart attacks and strokes) saying are coincidental deaths and not too be concerned and perfectly acceptable side effects (sore arms, nausea, high temperature), they admit to vaccinating the most elderly and at risk. ‘We are going to learn a lot’ – quote. Also admitted children got autism after MMR jab.

We are fucking guinea pigs. Unbelievable. Urge everyone to listen. Dr Vernon Coleman on so will have an opinion.

290303 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to stefarm, 6, #1469 of 1952 🔗

Richie Allen is one of my biggest finds this year. I’d never come across him before April. He’s not everyone’s cup of tea but I can’t think of a more essential presenter in 2020. He’s a large audience as well which is great.

290447 ▶▶▶▶ stefarm, replying to Disbelief, 1, #1471 of 1952 🔗

I listen to Alan Watt.

290571 ▶▶▶▶ Two-Six, replying to Disbelief, #1472 of 1952 🔗

I have listened to Alan Watt for years too. since the early 2000’s.

290449 ▶▶▶ stefarm, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 3, #1473 of 1952 🔗

Agree, even when this is over I will still listen to him.

290570 ▶▶▶ Two-Six, replying to BeBopRockSteady, #1474 of 1952 🔗

I have been listening to Richie for years. Ever since The People’s Voice, David Icke TV

290420 ▶▶ Hieronimusb, replying to stefarm, 2, #1475 of 1952 🔗

The old Brighton Scheme for measuring and recording AEFIs (Adverse Events Following Immunisation) was scrapped a while ago. The protocols which replaced it make it almost impossible to have or identify an adverse reaction – basically, they don’t want to know about it unless you turn turquoise and drop dead on the spot. Fact.

290241 Tenchy, replying to Tenchy, 10, #1476 of 1952 🔗

That so-called “firebreak” worked out well for Wales, then. This from The Telegraph live feed:

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/global-health/science-and-disease/coronavirus-news-covid-vaccine-uk-cases-deaths-r-rate/

Covid infections in Swansea Bay heading to ‘catastrophic levels’

A director of public health has warned that his Welsh health board could see catastrophic levels of coronavirus cases during Christmas if infections in the area continue to rise.

Dr Keith Reid from Swansea Bay University Health Board said he feared only another lockdown in Wales before the Christmas period would be enough to save the local system from being “overwhelmed” if rates continued to rise.

His comments came as Welsh Health Minister Vaughan Gething said eight local authority areas in Wales now had Covid-19 rates of more than 400 cases per 100,000 people, with cases rising in 19 out of 22 areas.

Wales also now has its highest ever number of Covid-19-related patients in hospitals with 1,800 in total, as well as the worst infection rate in the UK, just four weeks after the end of the country’s 17-day firebreak.

But … Wales has 83 main hospitals. So that’s 22 people per hospital (with COVID). Hardly “catastrophic levels”. Now I know that calculation is a trifle simplistic, and there will be hotspots such as Swansea, but come on! What the hell is happening in the Principality?

290248 ▶▶ bluemoon, replying to Tenchy, 6, #1477 of 1952 🔗

They need more money from Westminster?

290254 ▶▶ Cecil B, replying to Tenchy, 7, #1478 of 1952 🔗

Ah!!! so closing the pubs has increased infections

Come on Rapists Dad follow the science and open the pubs

Open the Pubs – Save Swansea Bay – Avoid Catastrophe

Three weeks to save Swansea Bay

290261 ▶▶ Banjones, replying to Tenchy, 7, #1479 of 1952 🔗

”Covid related patients”. People actually believe that this is something that makes a difference to the number of people NORMALLY in hospital at this time of the year. Well – SOME people believe it.

If they only looked at the hospital admissions and discharges I daresay there would be an average November/December figure. And I doubt anyone is in hospital just BECAUSE OF covid.

So nothing is happening in the Principality, except that there is this obsession with testing.

290292 ▶▶▶ Cecil B, replying to Banjones, 5, #1480 of 1952 🔗

‘Covid related patients’

What? patients who have relatives who are covids?

‘Yes Dai they just moved in up the top of the valley they are the Covid-Jones’s you know. Proper hyphenated twats

Proper posh her side of the family you know. From China, you know, the old man was in bat soup’

Anyway who’s coat is that jacket’

290294 ▶▶▶▶ Fingerache Philip., replying to Cecil B, 1, #1481 of 1952 🔗

Are Hiccups Covid related?

290297 ▶▶▶▶▶ Cecil B, replying to Fingerache Philip., 2, #1482 of 1952 🔗

Try Ancestry.com

290301 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Fingerache Philip., replying to Cecil B, #1483 of 1952 🔗

I use find my past.com but I haven’t found any yet.

290263 ▶▶ Paul, replying to Tenchy, 4, #1484 of 1952 🔗

Luckily in this country we don’t know the true meaning of words such as catastrophic and they get thrown around like confetti by sub-standard so-called journalists.

290285 ▶▶ George L, replying to Tenchy, 4, #1485 of 1952 🔗

The bastards lie. Check EUROMOMO.. Wales is -4.7 below baseline. NO EXCESS DEATHS whatsoever..

290341 ▶▶ RickH, replying to Tenchy, 1, #1486 of 1952 🔗

400 cases per 100,000 = 40 per 10,000 = just into the ‘epidemic’ definition.

…. but doesn’t do the necessary 90% reduction to account for PCR+ nonsense = 4 per 10,000 = distinctly unserious.

290475 ▶▶ annie, replying to Tenchy, 3, #1487 of 1952 🔗

Dungford is happening.He is sadistic, narcissistic, criminally insane. Everyone else in authority is a gutless zombie.
We have a testademic.

290476 ▶▶ A. Contrarian, replying to Tenchy, 1, #1488 of 1952 🔗

Apparently the lockdown worked perfectly, really effective, but the problem is that it ended without a tough, England-style tier structure in place. If they’d done that, they’d be fine. Or so they say.

Also, it proves that firebreaks don’t work. They should try a circuit breaker instead next time.

290269 Liz F, replying to Liz F, 18, #1489 of 1952 🔗

Sky News presenter talking just now about Covid vaccine for the elderly. He said old people “die of all sorts of things” but some people will say that their elderly relative died because of the vaccine, “based on no evidence whatsoever”. So are we going to see a big vaccine-death cover-up?

290277 ▶▶ peter, replying to Liz F, 11, #1490 of 1952 🔗

It’s been one disgusting lie after another from the Cuntservatives so expect the worst when you are being encouraged to inject abortions into yourself to combat a virus that doesn’t even exist. Jonathan Barr needs to jump off a cliff.

290290 ▶▶▶ Richard O, replying to peter, 9, #1491 of 1952 🔗

Don’t forget it will also be illegal to question said lethal vaccine.

Cuntservatives ” I like a lot.

290279 ▶▶ leggy, replying to Liz F, 17, #1492 of 1952 🔗

Old people “die of all sorts of things” but some doctors will say that their elderly patient died because of covid, “based on no evidence whatsoever”.

Fixed that.

290330 ▶▶▶ RickH, replying to leggy, 4, #1493 of 1952 🔗

So – Covid and Vaccine are much the same.

290283 ▶▶ Richard O, replying to Liz F, 10, #1494 of 1952 🔗

So old people only die of one cause (Covid) when it suits them. At least they have the grace to admit that their vaccine is going to be deadly.

We know our toxic shite is going to be lethal, but you fuckheads are so dumb you won’t even be able to prove it.

290300 ▶▶ Ovis, replying to Liz F, 2, #1495 of 1952 🔗

Presuasion

290355 ▶▶▶ Richard Pinch, replying to Ovis, 1, #1496 of 1952 🔗

Let’s consider people aged 80-84. In that age-group there’s very roughly one death every five minutes. We may reasonably predict a few hundred deaths within 24 hours of any given event, whatever that event is, such as vaccination.

290335 ▶▶ anon, replying to Liz F, #1497 of 1952 🔗

name of the sky news presenter?

290338 ▶▶ mjr, replying to Liz F, 3, #1498 of 1952 🔗

in the same way what he should say is ,
“old people “die of all sorts of things” but some hospitals and governments will say that their elderly relative died because of the covid, “based on no evidence whatsoever”.”

290350 ▶▶ Suzyv, replying to Liz F, 4, #1499 of 1952 🔗

Very possibly, watch this space. If any elderly relative dies within a few months of having this vaccine, insist on an autopsy otherwise they will say it’s Covid..

290382 ▶▶ watashi, replying to Liz F, 5, #1500 of 1952 🔗

They already cover up baby & child vaccine injuries and deaths so I don’t see why this will be any different

290437 ▶▶ Old Normal, replying to Liz F, 4, #1501 of 1952 🔗

I’m pretty certain there will be a huge attempted cover up. It started with the trials where ill effects were just mere coincidences.

I’d never heard of polyethylene glycol until the other day but it doesn’t sound like a good thing to be injecting people with. Mike Yeadon and a few others certainly don’t think it’s a safe idea.

290512 ▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Old Normal, 1, #1502 of 1952 🔗

It’s an ingredient in an awful lot of cosmetic and skincare products. It’s a skin irritant – that’s how the wrinkles improve, increased water caused by mild inflammation plumps them out.
I doubt it’s better accepted internally.
Go check your bathroom …..

290598 ▶▶▶ Richard Pinch, replying to Old Normal, 2, #1503 of 1952 🔗

polyethylene glycol […]. Mike Yeadon and a few others certainly don’t think it’s a safe idea.

Polythene glycol has been used in vaccines since 1990. Dr Yeadon worked for Pfizer from 1995 to 2011 as a very senior executive. He must have had plenty of opportunities to express his doubts about its use at the time.

290481 ▶▶ annie, replying to Liz F, 2, #1504 of 1952 🔗

But if course they could be said to have died of Covid on no evidence whatsoever -with overwhelming evidence that they died of something else.

290280 arfurmo, replying to arfurmo, 3, #1505 of 1952 🔗

I came across this site https://www.euromomo.eu/graphs-and-maps . Sorry if already known about . I’m not clever enough to know if this can be interogated to support “no excess deaths”.

290289 ▶▶ Ceriain, replying to arfurmo, 2, #1506 of 1952 🔗

Yes, we know about it. 😉

Yes, it does. 🙂

Germany is the best one; no pandemic at all!

290299 ▶▶ George L, replying to arfurmo, 3, #1507 of 1952 🔗

Yes its a good tool to expose the liars. Check out Wales.. -4.7 below the baseline. NO EXCESS DEATHS whatsoever..

290325 ▶▶▶ Liam, replying to George L, 2, #1508 of 1952 🔗

The basic raw numbers on the ONS site are pretty clear too. Extra deaths this October over last across England and Wales? A whopping 58. That’s not a typo.

290602 ▶▶▶▶ Richard Pinch, replying to Liam, #1509 of 1952 🔗

Extra deaths in the first three weeks of November: 4372 (12%). As we discussed yesterday.

290304 ▶▶ leggy, replying to arfurmo, 3, #1510 of 1952 🔗

It’s a great resource. It shows that what we’re seeing this season is broadly in line with previous autumns in terms of overall mortality, notwithstanding lockdown related casualties. Exactly what Ivor Cummins has been saying for ages.

Pandata is worth a look too – https://pandata.org/

290324 ▶▶ RickH, replying to arfurmo, 1, #1511 of 1952 🔗

It’s useful – but – as I’ve posted elsewhere – its definition of significant increases and levels is highly questionable – tending towards the exaggerated impression rather than a judicious appraisal of things. It’s a good example of how to be wary of the term ‘excess deaths’.

290500 ▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to calchas, 2, #1513 of 1952 🔗

Presumably the big spike is the 17/18 flu epidemic, for which there was no international economy-trashing conspiracy.

290298 Chris P, replying to Chris P, 11, #1514 of 1952 🔗

If someone dies within 28 days of receiving a vaccine, will that person be classified as having ‘died with vaccine’ and numbers of such deaths be reported daily?

290347 ▶▶ Suzyv, replying to Chris P, 3, #1515 of 1952 🔗

Of course not. Dr Vernon Coleman just saying live, will put down all adverse effects from vaccine- autoimmune, infertility, deaths etc all down to Covid.

290452 ▶▶▶ HelzBelz, replying to Suzyv, 4, #1516 of 1952 🔗

Had vaccine, died of Covid anyway! LOL!!

290494 ▶▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to HelzBelz, 4, #1517 of 1952 🔗

It takes three months to have an effect. By which time the effect has worn off and you need another round of jabs.

290305 Two-Six, replying to Two-Six, 16, #1518 of 1952 🔗

I just got a call from my local Lib Dem guy. Just to see how things were going and if I had any local issues to talk about.

3-2-1 Fire!

I bet he wished he hadn’t called me. It’s clear yet another councillor type is totally clueless about nearly everything covid. What was more strking is that he did not want to enguage and really wanted to get of the phone as fast as possible. I said to the guy that I know a lot about it and if he wants to talk to me about it I am more than willing to talk to him or anybody else in his party.
I know I won’t hear back from him.

You would think that he might have been more interested in what I had to say but no…..

Gahhhhhhh

290322 ▶▶ anon, replying to Two-Six, 1, #1519 of 1952 🔗

a phone call?! from an mp?

290327 ▶▶▶ Two-Six, replying to anon, 2, #1520 of 1952 🔗

no not an mp, just a local councillor

290353 ▶▶▶▶ anon, replying to Two-Six, 1, #1521 of 1952 🔗

ahh… good work but I suppose he’s just another talking head

290364 ▶▶▶▶▶ Two-Six, replying to anon, 6, #1522 of 1952 🔗

Yer it’s infuriating. I know I come across as knowing what I am talking about and can get it across very well. People just literally just don’t want to hear and don’t want to THINK about what’s going on in any depth at all and just go alone with it all. I know its like this right up the political chain and across all parties.
Just terrible. You would think they might be more interested especialy after the offer from me for a proper chat about it all.

As yet he hasn’t answered a call I made back to him or a text requesting he lets me know what his name is. I think he is going to block me on his phone too. Rubbish behaviour.

290492 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Two-Six, #1523 of 1952 🔗

Pathetic!

290374 ▶▶ CGL, replying to Two-Six, 4, #1524 of 1952 🔗

(air being sucked back over teeth very loudly)
He picked the wrong phone number today didnt he!!!
I would have loved to hear that!

290505 ▶▶▶ Two-Six, replying to CGL, 2, #1525 of 1952 🔗

It went a bit like…
“Hello I am from the lib dems”
me “Oh really!”…….

290312 Hubes, replying to Hubes, 14, #1526 of 1952 🔗

One thing I don’t understand with regards people saying all this was pre planned and that one of the main goals was to inject us all with a vaccine which alters our DNA, kills us or makes women infertile, is wouldn’t it have been easier for “them” to quietly do this with pre existing vaccines and contraception that millions happily take already? I.E the flu vaccine, contraceptive injections, implants etc. They could also stick whatever they wanted into all the vaccines that children get.

They could have had a quiet mass culling of the elderly without anybody caring about the death figures, made millions infertile etc and nobody would really have really noticed anything suspicious.

Why the need to make up a virus? In order to put this stuff in a vaccine?

290318 ▶▶ anon, replying to Hubes, #1527 of 1952 🔗

every little helps

290328 ▶▶ George L, replying to Hubes, 8, #1528 of 1952 🔗

What you describe in your post is exactly what they have been doing, but in my opinion what we are dealing with are psychos with a satanic plan, and that plan must be adhered to for them to gain maximum satisfaction.

If you want a very quick guide to this latest escapade take a look at https://www.stopworldcontrol.com/proof Its as good a source as any to get your head around this appalling situation..

290358 ▶▶▶ Jonathan Smith, replying to George L, #1529 of 1952 🔗

That all sounds perfectly reasonable. 🙄

290391 ▶▶▶ watashi, replying to George L, #1530 of 1952 🔗

Thank you. I found the fact that covid-19 tests were sold back in ’17 and ’18 pretty shocking. Kary Mullis was still alive then. I wonder if her was aware of what was going on?

290396 ▶▶▶▶ George L, replying to watashi, 2, #1531 of 1952 🔗

Who knows, but his death just a few weeks before this kicked off was very convenient indeed.

290367 ▶▶ Richard O, replying to Hubes, 8, #1532 of 1952 🔗

Very good question, and one that I have often pondered. Why bother with the shenanigans of a very public new, experimental vaccine?

There is often a tendency to retrofit alternative theories and adjust them on the fly so the narrative is always seamless. I catch myself doing this all the time.

One way of looking at this is that the kind of people in the various hierarchical power structures that are implementing the Covid regulations are doing so because they get a kick out of it. Increased power, profit and the enjoyment of inflicting widespread suffering. Whether planned or not is really neither here nor there. They are doing it, and we are fighting it.

Personally I think there is more to the story than this, but I rarely share my more extreme positions on here.

290376 ▶▶▶ watashi, replying to Richard O, 1, #1533 of 1952 🔗

I’d like to hear it

290395 ▶▶▶▶ Richard O, replying to watashi, 16, #1534 of 1952 🔗

One of the key rules of the game is harvesting consent from the victims before perpetrating the violations. In the eyes of the perpetrators, this gives them a “free pass”. In this regard, authorities the world over have done exactly that. All the information required to debunk everything they have told us to do is freely available in the public domain, but the majority choose to ignore it.

290412 ▶▶▶▶▶ George L, replying to Richard O, 5, #1535 of 1952 🔗

You’ve hit the nail on the head Richard..

290433 ▶▶▶▶▶ watashi, replying to Richard O, 5, #1536 of 1952 🔗

I agree with that, I really can’t understand why so many are blind to the truth

290448 ▶▶▶▶▶ calchas, replying to Richard O, 3, #1537 of 1952 🔗

Revelation of the method.

290478 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Bill Grates, replying to calchas, 2, #1538 of 1952 🔗

Just so, if they set out what they are going to do (even if it’s in an underhand manner), and people don’t respond the perps are absolved of guilt.
They all have a clear conscience.

290482 ▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Richard O, 4, #1539 of 1952 🔗

The original theory was that the mockdown was to disguise the crashing of the stock markets that began last September.

Maybe that was the catalyst for something that’s been longtime in the planning.

290384 ▶▶ calchas, replying to Hubes, 5, #1540 of 1952 🔗

This thing’s bigger than a vaccine.

290409 ▶▶▶ George L, replying to calchas, 1, #1541 of 1952 🔗

Absolutely. Salami slices through many years have brought this to fruition, with the general public just right for its acceptance in all its forms..

290485 ▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to calchas, 1, #1542 of 1952 🔗

MUCH!

290394 ▶▶ Jonathan Palmer, replying to Hubes, 5, #1543 of 1952 🔗

The pandemic created the situation where these things can be explained away..It also creates the desire to be vaccinated.Whether the vaccine makes you sterile,who knows,no one does because it has been rushed through without adequate testing.

290407 ▶▶▶ Cranmer, replying to Jonathan Palmer, 3, #1544 of 1952 🔗

Yes, it creates a willing (almost desperate) desire to take the vaccine, coupled with the indemnification of the vaccinators against legal action. This gives them carte blanche to put what they want in it, unlike, say, the manufacturers of coca-cola or something which could be used as an alternative delivery system. I don’t think this is actually going on – I’m just reasoning from a conspiracy-theory standpoint.

290454 ▶▶▶▶ Jonathan Palmer, replying to Cranmer, 4, #1545 of 1952 🔗

They don’t need to put anything in it.Just tie it to an health passport,Freedom over job done.Then they can do what they want.

290399 ▶▶ Sue, replying to Hubes, 1, #1546 of 1952 🔗

i’ve often thought that they should spike macdonald’s burgers if they wanted population control. 🙂

290415 ▶▶▶ George L, replying to Sue, 2, #1547 of 1952 🔗

That would mean pests like me would live forever Sue.. ha ha 😉

290401 ▶▶ Lili, replying to Hubes, 6, #1548 of 1952 🔗

It’s about testing the waters for a) how effective their new propaganda unit is (Behavioural Science Team) b) measuring the level of compliance; how easy IS it do away with the laws of the country that guarantee our freedoms? (They’ve been salami slicing them since Bliar but there’s been a sudden removal of nearly all of them) c) how may people are aware of what is going on and can they overcome the resistance if there is too big a critical mass?

I believe this has been a dry run (turning into a half implemented real run) for what they are really planning to implement in the next four years until 2025; the next key year in their calendar.

290473 ▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Hubes, 3, #1549 of 1952 🔗

Quietly would have taken time.

For some reason this had to be escalated this year.
It was so urgent that they’ve been very blatant about what’s going on – for those with eyes to see.

290516 ▶▶ Bill Grates, replying to Hubes, 3, #1550 of 1952 🔗

There are multiple agendas going on.
The formation of a global govt by technocracy needs a critical break with the norms as a catalysing event.

The eugenics element is definitely in play but is a long term objective ie 10years
At the moment the need is to get people ready to accept regular injections this is one thread of the total control agenda and will combine with the coming “permit to exist”/ ID agenda.

So while they will slowly bump people off with injected poison the nanotechnology will proved huge financial opportunity to monetise peoples’ existences.

Govts will be able to save ( so they think ) huge amounts on law&order, health, social services of all kinds.
eg the NHS is being redesigned now at a tremendous pace to take advantage of the “plandemic” opportunity , any number of think tanks quangos etc are soaking up govt largess to fine tune the changes all centred on AI .
It’s a bonanza for the AI biotech sectors.

290319 Ozzie, replying to Ozzie, 12, #1551 of 1952 🔗

How sad – I just received the following email from Change.org (a petition):

“Allow Year 5 child the reasonable adjustment to wear his mask to school during COVID”

“Famous Wood, Year 5, has not been able to attend school at St Matthew’s CofE Primary in Smethwick since the Autumn term began, because his school’s leadership team have made the decision that he is not allowed in wearing his mask.

This has caused huge disruption to his education and his wellbeing. He wants to go back to school and carry on his learning.

We are asking the head teacher to reconsider this decision, and to allow Famous to attend school wearing his mask, as it is a reasonable adjustment.

Famous is anxious about the risk of Covid , and this anxiety is preventing him from feeling safe in school without a mask. Under the Equalities Act 2010, the school has a legal responsibility to make reasonable adjustments for anxiety.”

Perhaps they need to be offering him counselling to