2020-12-08

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290919 RyanM, replying to RyanM, 16, #1 of 1754 🔗

Oh, how nice to be first. Love the BoB cartoon!

290922 ▶▶ Richard O, replying to RyanM, 6, #2 of 1754 🔗

Looking forward to 100 days of total maskage to save the Republic?

290983 ▶▶▶ RyanM, replying to Richard O, 21, #3 of 1754 🔗

I don’t wear one. Never will.

Was banned from Costco last week for not having my bandana pulled over my nose. Long story…

291027 ▶▶▶▶ Tom in Scotland, replying to RyanM, 4, #4 of 1754 🔗

What is wrong with Washington State (I think you once said that you were from there)? I lived in Seattle for a couple of years around 2001 and it was a bit strange, but I can’t believe what I’ve seen in news reports. Really, the whole West Coast looks dystopian.

291040 ▶▶▶▶▶ IanE, replying to Tom in Scotland, 1, #5 of 1754 🔗

Plus ca change!

291362 ▶▶▶▶▶ Rowan, replying to Tom in Scotland, #6 of 1754 🔗

Just the West Coast?

291555 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Tom in Scotland, replying to Rowan, 4, #7 of 1754 🔗

I know it’s more than the West Coast, but the Coronaparnoia seems to be somehow worse there. Perhaps too many ‘progressive’ people (or sheeple)….

291249 ▶▶▶ John P, replying to Richard O, #8 of 1754 🔗

Do you ever sleep Richard?

290920 Judy Watson, 2, #9 of 1754 🔗

OH Flip only second today.

290921 Richard O, 15, #10 of 1754 🔗

When McCartney is rolled out to promote the vaccine:

We love you yeah yeah yeah,
We love you yeah yeah yeah,
With a jab like that,
You know you should be glad.

290923 Cheshirecatslave, replying to Cheshirecatslave, 4, #11 of 1754 🔗

An interesting article about the different vaccine regulators. I’d think anyone thinking of having it might wish to see what they all say as our approval was so rushed.
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/dec/04/how-vaccine-approval-compares-between-the-uk-europe-and-the-us

290930 ▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Cheshirecatslave, 14, #12 of 1754 🔗

Perhaps the Guardian is preparing to go vaccine sceptic since a good proportion of its paying readers will be women of child bearing age notably most of the teaching, nursing and care sectors.

290949 ▶▶▶ annie, replying to karenovirus, 24, #13 of 1754 🔗

The Grauniad doesn’t understand words like sceptical, rational, impartial, or human.

291277 ▶▶▶▶ Gezzah Potts, replying to annie, 5, #14 of 1754 🔗

I wouldn’t even use that odious rag for kitty litter. How much does it get from the Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation?

291378 ▶▶▶▶▶ Rowan, replying to Gezzah Potts, 7, #15 of 1754 🔗

I don’t know exactly how much, but the Guardian has long taken the Gates “shilling” just like the Beeb.

291039 ▶▶▶ Ovis, replying to karenovirus, 9, #16 of 1754 🔗

Does the Guardian have a paying readership, beyond that subsection of society that a) can afford a live-in servant from overseas to launder their clothes every time they shit themselves with confected self-righteous rage; and b) need such a service?

That can’t be many people.

291391 ▶▶▶▶ Rowan, replying to Ovis, 2, #17 of 1754 🔗

I do know one paying Guardian subscriber. He used to be right of Kenghis Khan, but now he’s left of Karl Marx and perhaps, even Boris Johnson.

291070 ▶▶▶ crimsonpirate, replying to karenovirus, 1, #18 of 1754 🔗

let’s see how mumsnet reacts as well

291162 ▶▶▶▶ Two-Six, replying to crimsonpirate, 1, #19 of 1754 🔗

With Horror and Alarm probably

291377 ▶▶▶ Rowan, replying to karenovirus, 4, #20 of 1754 🔗

I don’t see the Guardian as being remotely sceptical and the article is nothing more than a smokescreen trying to give cover for the indecent haste, with which the MHRA has acted. Basically Pfizer said we think it’s safe and any we don’t care that much, because we’ve got a no blame clause. The MHRA replied with, that’s okay, vaccine approved.

291557 ▶▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Rowan, 1, #21 of 1754 🔗

No way is the MHRA independent. Look at this:

https://youtu.be/6bfhAe8zVf0?t=2478

290924 karenovirus, replying to karenovirus, 15, #22 of 1754 🔗

The Government offer no leadership, everybody out there says bozo has screwed up. The opposition offers no alternative except more of the same failed policies.

Who would vote for either of them ?
If the centre cannot stand it leaves the way open for extremists.
Nice one bozo.

Covid Fatigue
Local Live (mirror group news)
Article 1. A person dies of Covid in major regional hospital. One person is news ?
Article 2. Five more deaths in County attributed to Covid.
What in a day? A week ?
No, five random dates going back to mid November.

Total Covid articles today = 5 (2 about rule breakers)
Total football stories today = 7.

At least the anger of woman who received an undersized portion of rice with her £40.00 KFC Family Bargain Bucket has been driven off the most read pedestal.

290925 ▶▶ Richard O, replying to karenovirus, 5, #23 of 1754 🔗

It’s been a while since I ordered a bucket. I had no idea KFC now offered rice with this. They should stick to what they know best i.e. lab-grown pseudo-chicken lengths.

Despite this, KFC offers more leadership than the government.

290958 ▶▶▶ Fingerache Philip., replying to Richard O, 12, #24 of 1754 🔗

Our cat offers more leadership than this government and we ain’t got one (government and cat)

291447 ▶▶▶▶ Rowan, replying to Fingerache Philip., 5, #25 of 1754 🔗

The government offers you the inspired leadership of Bill Gates and Klaus Schwab and you only mock.

292301 ▶▶▶▶▶ richard riewer, replying to Rowan, #26 of 1754 🔗

Schwab’s a snab.

290933 ▶▶ Cristi.Neagu, replying to karenovirus, 12, #27 of 1754 🔗

If the centre cannot stand it leaves the way open for extremists.

There doesn’t seem to be a centre any longer. The Tories have drifted further and further left, out in Labour land, and people just drifted after them. Now all centre parties are gone, and the only alternative is Reform UK. I wouldn’t call them far right, but they’re definitely not centre. And as long as people are allowing the Tories to drift to the left, the right will only drift further right.

290940 ▶▶▶ Dorian_Hawkmoon, replying to Cristi.Neagu, 7, #28 of 1754 🔗

William Clouston’s SDP.

291165 ▶▶▶▶ mikewaite, replying to Dorian_Hawkmoon, 5, #29 of 1754 🔗

I did not realise that the SDP still existed. Apparently a group resisted the amalgamation with the Liberals in the ’90s and are effectively now the only centrist party .
I looked at some of their policies and find myself more in agreement with them than with the shambolic and increasingly authoritarian Conservative Govt which seems to have totally torn up the Human Rights Act in response to a flu epidemic which leaves virtually all the population under 80 unaffected.
Only £10 to become a SDP member, not going to rock the foundations of Westmister but, speaking as long life tory voter, an individual stand against tyranny.
Will depend however on their policies re: mandatory vaccination are they for it or against it?. .

291181 ▶▶▶▶▶ kf99, replying to mikewaite, 2, #30 of 1754 🔗
291466 ▶▶▶▶▶ Rowan, replying to mikewaite, 3, #31 of 1754 🔗

The rebranded flu epidemic , if it is even that, also leaves most of those over 80 unaffected. Mandatory vaccination will cause ructions and most likely this utterly rotten government will instead go down the blackmail path.

291789 ▶▶▶▶▶ Censored Dog, replying to mikewaite, 1, #32 of 1754 🔗

It is also possible to persuade the LibDems to take a stronger stance against lockdowns and they can win an election based on the ‘lone warrior fighting tyranny’ and ‘Complicit in Tyranny’ slogans (They voted against the renewal of the Coronavirus ‘Enabling’ Act 2020 and abstained from the vote for Tiers)
I think Ed Davey is a sceptic but is afraid of saying so to avoid controversy.

291450 ▶▶▶ Rowan, replying to Cristi.Neagu, 5, #33 of 1754 🔗

The Tories are now left of the CCP, never mind the useless Labour Party.

291508 ▶▶▶ George L, replying to Cristi.Neagu, 2, #34 of 1754 🔗

Ha.. Labour land is now led by a f*cking knight of the realm and a Trilateral Twat at that. Another Sir at the head of the Liberals. Somehow I think things have gone astray!

291726 ▶▶▶ Jonathan Palmer, replying to Cristi.Neagu, 11, #35 of 1754 🔗

You are all like generals fighting the last war.This is no left and right anymore.The fight is between tyranny and freedom.All the major parties have chosen tyranny.Anyone who opposes this gets my vote,that is if we allowed to vote again.

291794 ▶▶▶ Censored Dog, replying to Cristi.Neagu, 2, #36 of 1754 🔗

It is possible to persuade the LibDems to take a stronger stance against lockdowns and they can win an election based on the ‘lone warrior fighting tyranny’ and ‘Complicit in Tyranny’ slogans (They voted against the renewal of the Coronavirus ‘Enabling’ Act 2020 and abstained from the vote for Tiers)
I think Ed Davey is a sceptic but is afraid of saying so to avoid controversy.

290988 ▶▶ Lockdown_Lunacy, replying to karenovirus, 1, #37 of 1754 🔗

Rice with KFC? Heresy.

290996 ▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to Lockdown_Lunacy, 2, #38 of 1754 🔗

You get that combination in the Philippines.

291007 ▶▶▶▶ Lockdown_Lunacy, replying to Bart Simpson, 3, #39 of 1754 🔗

Fair enough. Embarrassingly, I must admit that whenever I’m on my travels I tend to visit a McDonald’s to sample the regional variation on the menu in different countries! Only ever had one KFC in Asia though at Changi Airport.

291090 ▶▶▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to Lockdown_Lunacy, 1, #40 of 1754 🔗

It’s good though – both the chicken & the rice must be hot and if you somther both in gravy, delicious!!!

McDonald’s in the Philippines serves a fried chicken & rice combination or fried chicken & spaghetti.

291112 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Lockdown_Lunacy, replying to Bart Simpson, 2, #41 of 1754 🔗

Ok I’m convinced, if the world ever gets moving properly again I pledge to visit a KFC in the Phillipines and try it!

291749 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to Lockdown_Lunacy, #42 of 1754 🔗

You’ll like it!

292303 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ richard riewer, replying to Bart Simpson, #43 of 1754 🔗

Filipino food is vastly superior to anything that McDo makes.

291016 ▶▶ arfurmo, replying to karenovirus, 1, #44 of 1754 🔗

It’s accompanying Dail Mail sad face photo that I miss. Family sat round said small portion looking as if they’ve lost a pound and found a sixpenxe.

291020 ▶▶▶ karenovirus, replying to arfurmo, #45 of 1754 🔗

Oh they had that, camera pointing down to enhance the pathos of her sad face.

291392 ▶▶ J4mes, replying to karenovirus, 2, #46 of 1754 🔗

I’d love to know what defines “extreme” in comparison to our so-called “centrist” government and so-called “opposition” who are terrorising and literally killing people with their policies.

291442 ▶▶▶ Anne Passman, replying to J4mes, 3, #47 of 1754 🔗

What is extreme now, was common sense 30 or 40 years ago. That’s how left the centre of politics has shifted. We don’t have a right of centre party any more. The Tories are a mess, Labour is ten times worse and the Illib Undems – words fail me.

290927 Cecil B, replying to Cecil B, 80, #48 of 1754 🔗

The elderly as a group have the least effective immune systems in the country

Take the most susceptible of them and lock them away and isolate them for ten months further compromising their immune systems

Then, yes you guessed it inject them with a virus

What could possibly go wrong

290928 ▶▶ Richard O, replying to Cecil B, 32, #49 of 1754 🔗

Inject us with an experimental cocktail which artificially stimulates our immune system in response to said virus in ways never yet tested on humans.

A glorious victory is assured for one side or the other. Both will suffer grievous injuries in the process. This is all or nothing.

290934 ▶▶ Cristi.Neagu, replying to Cecil B, 6, #50 of 1754 🔗

At this point i wouldn’t be surprised if the vaccine is just a small dose of virus.

291922 ▶▶▶ Rowan, replying to Cristi.Neagu, 5, #51 of 1754 🔗

“At this point I wouldn’t be surprised if the vaccine is just a small dose of virus.”

Or at least it contains something that will trigger the rigged PCR test. The vaccines will likely also contain something a lot more potent, which will kill many of us, a few months down the road. The deaths will be put down to a new mutated virus and so then yet more fake vaccine development will swing into gear, in order to be unleashed upon the survivors of the first mass cull.
They won’t get away with all this if there are too many refuseniks and so they will have to do everything they can so as to ensure a very high vaccine take up.

290943 ▶▶ Laurence, replying to Cecil B, 26, #52 of 1754 🔗

Why the hell should care home workers take it ? The manufacturer’s aren’t even claiming it stops you being infectious ?

290945 ▶▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Laurence, 14, #53 of 1754 🔗

Probably under pressure from their employers who themselves will be under pressure from local authorities and central government Social Services.

290981 ▶▶▶ SweetBabyCheeses, replying to Laurence, 13, #54 of 1754 🔗

Who knows?! The BBCs explanation for why this might be the case is because you get the vaccination in your ARM and the virus lives in your NOSE. Not kidding, it was on the news! So maybe we should all be snorting it instead?!

290951 ▶▶ annie, replying to Cecil B, 32, #55 of 1754 🔗

Helpless old people are expendable.
Same as Jews in concentration camps. Use them for medical experiments.
And you can have lots of fun torturing them in the process.
And when you’ve finished with the trash, it can go to the gas chambers.
How nice to live in Auschwitz Britain under the rule of Boris Hoess and Matt Mengele.

291097 ▶▶▶ Biker, replying to annie, 26, #56 of 1754 🔗

We’re the new jew, the mask less. You know us not by the yellow star but by the free face.

291236 ▶▶▶▶ Wilf79, replying to Biker, 10, #57 of 1754 🔗

unfortunately the initial reaction of a nervous giggle rapidly turns into a feeling of dread as you realise the truth in this statement

291572 ▶▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Biker, 2, #58 of 1754 🔗

I’ve been thinking that a lot recently!

292571 ▶▶▶ richard riewer, replying to annie, #59 of 1754 🔗

Adolf’s family name was Schickelgruber. Roald Dahl wrote a short story about his birth way back in the 1950s.

290978 ▶▶ SweetBabyCheeses, replying to Cecil B, 9, #60 of 1754 🔗

I’m not entirely sure the elderly do have the least effective immune systems – these elderly have only lived to be elderly BECAUSE they have great immune systems. Fantastic ones in fact. Those that didn’t succumbed to childhood illnesses.

Granted, their bodies are no longer strong enough to fight some illnesses and repair themselves but that’s not the same as immune response.

The group with the least effective immune systems is babies, because all they might have are the few antibodies passed on from their mother. And they seem to be largely unaffected by covid…

291463 ▶▶▶ Anne Passman, replying to SweetBabyCheeses, 38, #61 of 1754 🔗

I’ve lived through the Asian flu of 1957/8 and the Hong Kong flu pandemic of 1967/8. I’ve lived through lord knows how many flu epidemics, and, through travel, have no doubt been exposed to all sorts of bugs, viruses etc. I’m probably more immune than my son and daughter. I also object strongly to the phraseology used by Hancock et al. “Don’t kill your granny” “hugging her may be the last thing she does” or some such. How DARE they? They can go to hell as far as I’m concerned – to make up for the hell they’ve put us through with their insane policies. I see Drakeford’s been banned from over 100 Welsh pubs -we need to do the same for every stupid MP or scientist who thinks by killing an entire economy they can remove this virus

291777 ▶▶▶▶ David Grimbleby, replying to Anne Passman, 8, #62 of 1754 🔗

Yes,Woodstock was in 68, not much ‘social distancing ‘ there methinks…

292305 ▶▶▶▶▶ richard riewer, replying to David Grimbleby, 1, #63 of 1754 🔗

And a lot of rolling around in the mud.

292044 ▶▶▶ Cheshirecatslave, replying to SweetBabyCheeses, 1, #64 of 1754 🔗

I know a lady aged 100 who rarely gets colds and has never had flu. She takes the flu jab but never had it in her youth.

290980 ▶▶ Dorian_Hawkmoon, replying to Cecil B, 9, #65 of 1754 🔗

…and will they let old people go back to normal life and interactions after they’ve had their genetic update? No. Of course they won’t.

291539 ▶▶▶ Rowan, replying to Dorian_Hawkmoon, 2, #66 of 1754 🔗

The genetic up date will be designed to kill them and they will be coming for the rest of us.

291577 ▶▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Rowan, 5, #67 of 1754 🔗

I worry that the elderly are being given a placebo to convince the rest of us it’s safe. After all, they won’t be around much longer anyway. The unemployed over-50’s are a different matter.

292104 ▶▶▶▶▶ RichardJames, replying to Cheezilla, 1, #68 of 1754 🔗

VERY good point; the history (including with the ‘flu virus) is that different batch numbers are used to identify where they are going to be used. The ‘flu vaccine is reputed to be much stronger for “the elderly”.

How very, very easy it would be to label everything with the same batch numbers but mix in ten percent of a hyper-adjuvanted version. So easy to claim is was “just a manufacturing error”, but with the effect of easy decimation of the target population.

Alternatively, “certain” batches get delivered to GPs in “certain” postcodes containing the less-desirables.

291975 ▶▶ Steve Hayes, replying to Cecil B, 3, #69 of 1754 🔗

Pfizer’s so called vaccine does not contain the virus. They did not culture the virus. Instead they read the genetic code, which China had supplied to the World Health Organisation.

290929 Cheshirecatslave, replying to Cheshirecatslave, 15, #70 of 1754 🔗

I was sent a YouGov survey yesterday. one question was “Are you concerned about the safety of the covid vaccine?” I selected “very concerned” from the list of answers. I’m worried about a friend who works in a care home being forced to have it or lose her job.At least I’m a lot further down the list by which time hopefully there will be more evidence to make a better informed choice

290931 ▶▶ Richard O, replying to Cheshirecatslave, 12, #71 of 1754 🔗

YouGov (which actually means WeGov) survey:

“Are you concerned about the safety of the Covid vaccine?”

Available answers: No/Don’t know.

Results: 85% of people know that the vaccine is safe and effective.

290935 ▶▶▶ Tom Blackburn, replying to Richard O, 2, #72 of 1754 🔗

Oh well, all the polls in the world can’t magic safety into these innoculations, so I guess we will see.

290938 ▶▶ miahoneybee, replying to Cheshirecatslave, 3, #73 of 1754 🔗

I wonder if they even take notice of surveys if the answers go against their narrative…just a thought..

290952 ▶▶▶ annie, replying to miahoneybee, 3, #74 of 1754 🔗

Well, to be honest,we don’t, do we?

291117 ▶▶▶▶ miahoneybee, replying to annie, 1, #75 of 1754 🔗

True…on another note I was reading up on past and ongoing petitions to the government. Some of them were worrying especially the number of signatures . Some astonished by the high numbers others such low numbers.covid relatedcwas what I was looking for. I wonder how much public opinion has changed now…

291543 ▶▶▶ Rowan, replying to miahoneybee, 2, #76 of 1754 🔗

The polls will say whatever they want them to.

292329 ▶▶▶▶ Banjones, replying to Rowan, #77 of 1754 🔗

And, of course, Mr Zahawi would know all about that, wouldn’t he?

291092 ▶▶ Biker, replying to Cheshirecatslave, 20, #78 of 1754 🔗

If they try to get your friend to take the vaccine under threat of losing her job she can sue them. The day the Government tells us we must take this vaccine is the day they declare war and the day the revolution will start.

290932 karenovirus, replying to karenovirus, 2, #79 of 1754 🔗

From the roundup Conservative Woman ‘technocracy and the abolition of man’
Some weeks ago I posted about a 20 year old documentary programme called

What happened to our dream of freedom

It’s all there, so much of what has happened this year and what looms on the horizon was foretold in that three part series.
Someone put back it up in YouTube 2 years ago. Episode one ‘The Trap’ is the key.

291110 ▶▶ Barney McGrew, replying to karenovirus, 11, #80 of 1754 🔗

I think you’re talking about Adam Curtis’s documentaries. The fascinating thing is that they are/were on the BBC. At the time (in fact it was only 2007), it seemed perfectly normal for a BBC programme to suggest that governments and corporations were manipulating the population for their own ends using terrorism and health ’emergencies’ as the vehicles for this.

In its way, this was part of being ‘woke’ in 2007. But now, those programmes would be labelled subversive, ‘tin-foil hat’ and, according to the BBC and Guardian these days, ‘right-wing libertarian’.

292307 ▶▶ richard riewer, replying to karenovirus, #82 of 1754 🔗

I have it. Just watched it a few months ago. A refresher course. There are 3 parts.

290936 karenovirus, replying to karenovirus, 46, #83 of 1754 🔗

From yesterdays main piece.
Alex Belfied YouTube has
👏
Millwall FC has announced that it will no longer be taking the knee 👟 ⚽️

290950 ▶▶ karenovirus, replying to karenovirus, 4, #84 of 1754 🔗

Alex also has Madam Tussauds putting plastic bozo in a Val Doonican woolly jumper emblazoned with
‘Tis the season
To be Jolly
Careful’

The rubber dummy will be doing less harm than the real dummy.

290954 ▶▶▶ annie, replying to karenovirus, 6, #85 of 1754 🔗

The rubber dummy is being stashed in 10 Downing Street.

290960 ▶▶ kh1485, replying to karenovirus, 3, #86 of 1754 🔗

Just heard on the news though that they will be linking arms instead and displaying some sort of banner about ending discrimination.

291004 ▶▶▶ Fiona Walker, replying to kh1485, 26, #87 of 1754 🔗

That might be fair enough for the fans. As a lifelong football fan, I suspect it was the American import of “taking the knee”, with all its US political connotations that grated. I don’t think many Millwall fans had slave owners in their ancestry and our police don’t routinely shoot unarmed blacks. A British display of simple support for equality without the politics might pass. Though why they feel the need to do it, goodness knows, elite professional football is probably the most equal employer there is looking at the race profile and salaries of the players.

291086 ▶▶▶ Biker, replying to kh1485, 33, #88 of 1754 🔗

Can they just not run out on to the pitch and play the fucking game? Who cares what the players of Millwall think about anything other than their performance on the pitch which i have paid my hard earned cash to watch. If i tuned into PMQ’s and fat Boris stated playing keep-ee-uppy i’d be stop that and explain to me why you’re destroying our country for a virus that kills almost exclusively people over 80.

291113 ▶▶▶▶ Thomas_E, replying to Biker, 18, #89 of 1754 🔗

As a lifelong Millwall supporter I think the club shat their pants as they were heading towards a full on civil war with the fans which they know they would loose, leaving the club destitute. Unlike the business like Man U or Arsenal ( which also play football) most of their income comes from the fans in the ground. Add to this the fact that if they have not done this there would be booing again and again …Just imagine them trying to pull this if there was 14.000 Millwall in the ground. .I predict a riot. Politic has NO space in football because BLM are now a registered political party in the Uk so what next week, everybody wearing a Kier Starmer Tshirt?

291121 ▶▶▶▶▶ Biker, replying to Thomas_E, 11, #90 of 1754 🔗

Always liked Millwall. I’ve always preferred the smaller clubs in the lower divisions. The atmosphere is always tense, the beer flows and the football is in your face and ready. Much more entertainment that watching Liverpool or man u or up here Rangers or Celtic.

291426 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to Biker, 1, #91 of 1754 🔗

… more entertainment that watching Liverpool …

Not everyone can appreciate the greatest football team the world has ever seen. 🙂 Though I agree the lower leagues are good too.

291616 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Chris John, replying to JohnB, 3, #92 of 1754 🔗

Not much foot in their football matches. Lots of theatrics, diving, panto style shuffles and the idiotic celebrations.
But that’s me, an unashamed rugger bugger, playing Gods favourite game

291802 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to Chris John, 1, #93 of 1754 🔗

Watch out for that concussion, Chris. Seems to damage the ability to appreciate class. 🙂

291634 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Fiona Walker, replying to Biker, 4, #94 of 1754 🔗

“Everyone hates us, we don’t care”, sound familiar? Just got to love Millwall (speaking as a Leeds fan).

291672 ▶▶▶▶▶ stefarm, replying to Thomas_E, #95 of 1754 🔗

Uptick for you

291812 ▶▶▶▶▶ Liam, replying to Thomas_E, #96 of 1754 🔗

I lived round that way for a while and developed a bit of a soft spot for the ‘Wall.

291605 ▶▶▶ Chris John, replying to kh1485, #97 of 1754 🔗

Knowing the sexual peccadilloes of footballers they will be making a daisy chain…

290964 ▶▶ stefarm, replying to karenovirus, 2, #98 of 1754 🔗

The away team at tonight’s game are though, another way to incite the crowd. I predict all future Millwall home games will be behind closed doors.

291017 ▶▶ mjr, replying to karenovirus, 7, #99 of 1754 🔗

Millwall and QPR players will link arms .
and wear “kick it out” logos on shirts. Still annoying virtue signalling but at least getting rid of the political BLM stuff.

291073 ▶▶▶ Ewan Duffy, replying to mjr, 9, #100 of 1754 🔗

If they are linking arms, they are not social distancing. Just saying!

291273 ▶▶▶ mjr, replying to mjr, #101 of 1754 🔗

pretty good analysis in Telegraph today (and paywall seems to be down)

291380 ▶▶▶ Barney McGrew, replying to mjr, 8, #102 of 1754 🔗

“Kick it out”. They’re continually drawing attention to something that had just about gone already, thus ensuring that it is perpetuated. In fact, it is now not even racism: it’s self-professed, virtue signalling anti-racists versus anti-anti-racists who cannot stand being patronised and lectured to.

Is there anything more vomit-inducing than Lewis Hamilton’s virtue signalling these days? As has been pointed out, he was outed as very much not ‘woke’ a couple of years back, and he’s been desperately trying to atone for it ever since.

291438 ▶▶▶▶ TyRade, replying to Barney McGrew, 6, #103 of 1754 🔗

I actually eyeballed the photos of Premier League players on the PL website and counted 120 ‘black’ (non-white) out of 306 total (in squads, I presume). That’s 39%, at least three times as ‘inclusive’ as required, basis the society ‘we are’ (‘BAME’ 13%; but since almost all the non-white players are black, a community enjoying a 3% share of our population, the over-inclusion is nearer 12 or 13 times!!). Now this cannot be virtue signalling, since football like all sports is Darwinian; only the fittest survive, or clubs would not. All good then. Who cares? To then argue (as the twitter twits like Barnes, Lineker etc etc plus almost all the MSM do) that zero black managers annuls this over-representation of blackness in the ‘player community’ is nonsense. Appointing management by colour of skin would obviously be pure virtue signalling given the paucity of qualified black applicants. Crap would be forcibly raised to the top. This would be suicide by signalling.

291588 ▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to karenovirus, #104 of 1754 🔗

I should bloodywell think so!

292311 ▶▶ richard riewer, replying to karenovirus, #105 of 1754 🔗

Good for them.

290937 miahoneybee, 1, #106 of 1754 🔗

18th… 😉 😁

290939 TheBigman, replying to TheBigman, 9, #107 of 1754 🔗

Anyone seen Children of Men, start getting used to the idea…

290967 ▶▶ steve_w, replying to TheBigman, 4, #108 of 1754 🔗

Watched last week on recommendation of sceptical friend. very good.

291036 ▶▶▶ Tom in Scotland, replying to steve_w, 4, #109 of 1754 🔗

The book, by PD James, is even better (with quite a different ending and less preaching about immigration).

291627 ▶▶ Chris John, replying to TheBigman, #110 of 1754 🔗

That the one fillumed in Hastings?

290941 Laurence, replying to Laurence, 12, #111 of 1754 🔗

Another day, another ludicrous article in the New York Times.

This one: It’s time to scare people about Covid

Opinion | It’s Time to Scare People About Covid – The New York Times (nytimes.com) .

With lots of idiotic postings like: I knew a 30 year old who died so everyone’s vulnerable, I knew a 4 year old who was really ill ……., blah, blah – no perspective, no sense.

Meanwhile, back in the real world, I’ve had a look at the age-adjusted death rate for France to see the number of ‘excess’ deaths from this ‘horrific’ pandemic, having done the same previously for the UK.

Using the latest available figures up to 16 November and annualising, a grand total of 20,491 for the whole year. And that includes all the people who’ve been scared out of their wits (like the NYT suggests is a good thing) and have died unnecessary deaths of cancer etc because they wouldn’t or couldn’t go to hospital. Pleased Macron saw fit to screw up the whole country because of that. Just like the ridiculous Boris did here.

And as for the New York Times: grow up and learn some elementary maths !

(btw, the UK figure is about 15,000)

290944 ▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Laurence, 8, #112 of 1754 🔗

THE NYT missed a trick by not finding the unlucky woman who knows personally at least three people who have been reinfected twice.

290946 ▶▶▶ Laurence, replying to karenovirus, 3, #113 of 1754 🔗

Maybe they’re saving that for another brilliant article !

290942 karenovirus, replying to karenovirus, 2, #114 of 1754 🔗

From the main article.
The Turdgeons Pandemic Politeness tips.

Note Top Tip 5

290953 ▶▶ annie, replying to karenovirus, 7, #115 of 1754 🔗

Please do not ask a Scottizombie to act like a human being, as a refusal often offends.

290962 ▶▶ stefarm, replying to karenovirus, 29, #116 of 1754 🔗

She is trying to indoctrinate the young, turning them into virtue signalling automotons. Very worrying. As said before, if there was a real pandemic on the loose we wouldn’t need these kind of pamphlets.

24 hour mind control.

290982 ▶▶▶ karenovirus, replying to stefarm, 21, #117 of 1754 🔗

I was young for quite a long time, bombarded at school with risible Public Information Films warning of the danger from smoking, alcohol, promiscuous sex and drugs.
They generally had the opposite effect. I made up my own mind about drugs since they spoiled the booze and the promiscuous sex.

291677 ▶▶▶▶ stefarm, replying to karenovirus, 2, #118 of 1754 🔗

Me too, more I’m told not to do something the more i do it, well apart from heroin and Morris dancing.

292119 ▶▶▶▶ Ed Turnbull, replying to karenovirus, 1, #119 of 1754 🔗

When I was a kid the PIFs were about not playing with matches (there’s one I saw in the 60s where a kid accidentally immolates himself, yikes!), not going with paedos (the excellent ‘Charlie Says’ series), not playing with abandoned fridges and properly scary stuff like this , voiced by Donald Pleasance no less.

In fact the next time Nic Sturge-Un goes for a paddle in a loch I really hope the Spirit of Dark and Lonely Water is waiting nearby.

292318 ▶▶▶▶▶ richard riewer, replying to Ed Turnbull, 1, #120 of 1754 🔗

Drill some holes in the bottom of her boat before she leaves.

291030 ▶▶▶ Chloe, replying to stefarm, 2, #121 of 1754 🔗

Reminds me of the “spies” program for children in 1984.

291015 ▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to karenovirus, 9, #122 of 1754 🔗

Jesus wept. Yet again another reason why I’m so glad to be out of the Looney place that is Scotland.

291045 ▶▶▶ Tom in Scotland, replying to Bart Simpson, 9, #123 of 1754 🔗

Exactly. I’m hoping to be out next year. The constant virtue signalling is beyond annoying. The SNP thinks it is the ‘Scottish Moral Superiority Party’, though public services are going down the toilet.

291060 ▶▶▶▶ Biker, replying to Tom in Scotland, 16, #124 of 1754 🔗

Scotland at one time had a world class education system now it’s so dumbed down that a million people voted for Sturgeon. During the referendum i asked SNP supporters to name a single policy of theirs apart from independence and id give them fifty quid and not a single one of them knew a single policy. These numb nuts don’t know what they are voting for and do what all SNP droogs do and blame England. They are depressing.

291114 ▶▶▶▶▶ Tom in Scotland, replying to Biker, 9, #125 of 1754 🔗

Yes, I can see the problems with Scottish schools on a regular basis as a university lecturer. Students can’t write basic essays or follow instructions. What’s worse is that they lack initiative and they constantly worry about everything. I really wonder what they’ve been subjected to in secondary school here.

291085 ▶▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to Tom in Scotland, 6, #126 of 1754 🔗

Agree. During our last 2 years living in Edinburgh, we were noticing how the tone was changing especially after the referendum.

Every year we go visit my father-in-law we notice how so many things are changing and not for the better.

291158 ▶▶ arfurmo, replying to karenovirus, 2, #127 of 1754 🔗

Looks like something out of Viz

291584 ▶▶ fiery, replying to karenovirus, 1, #128 of 1754 🔗

No advice then about how to confront someone when you see them throwing their used face nappy on the ground. I’m more than happy to threaten to ram it down their throat.

291592 ▶▶ Mel, replying to karenovirus, 1, #129 of 1754 🔗

Is that numbering f*cked up? 1, 2,4,3,5?

291652 ▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Mel, #130 of 1754 🔗

2+2=5

290947 Tim Bidie, replying to Tim Bidie, 16, #131 of 1754 🔗

Maybe already posted but Richard Tice of the ‘Reform UK’ party set out very concisely and coherently the case against current government covid 19 restrictions, demolishing them (at 24.30).

The faces of the other participants are worth watching

https://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/m000q5xg/politics-live-07122020

This is the first time that I have seen any politician obliterate the government approach while hosted by the state broadcaster.

291167 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to Tim Bidie, 4, #132 of 1754 🔗

I thought it was excellent.

All they had was emotional blackmail and a daft Hancock-esque claim that lateral flow tests bring down the infection levels, pat on tbe back for us.

Tice’s response : “Yeah, exactly”

291292 ▶▶ Wilf79, replying to Tim Bidie, 3, #133 of 1754 🔗

Tice’s was excellent – but it was like 4 versus 1…..as heard as they all tried he held his own and from my perspective won the argument. How the claim of ’60k excess deaths in the 1st wave’ wasnt ‘fact checked’ is beyond me

290948 Steve Martindale, replying to Steve Martindale, 30, #134 of 1754 🔗

And so it begins; from the society that brought us Health & Safety rules so strict that children were banned from playing conkers, people are now queing up to be injected with snake oil in what must be the biggest public health gamble of all time?
I was going to reply to some posts below but then gave up; the reason I discuss things here is to counter the arguments of the covid zealots. But it now seems that all the covid zealots have now stuck their fingers in their ears and are chanting vaccine, vaccine, vaccine. I dread to think what happens if this gamble fails! but if they get away with it they will declare their policies were right all along and the lockdown sceptics were totally wrong and all our arguments rubbish.
However many arguments we put up, however much clear data we present; at present the powers that be and much of the country are vaccine obsessed and we have to wait and watch as the vaccination programme unrolls. I do not think they are going to relax anything until they feel they can declare ‘it was the vaccine what done it’.

290956 ▶▶ annie, replying to Steve Martindale, 19, #135 of 1754 🔗

They may have a simple solution all lined up.
Inject the snake oil.
Stop testing, or change the lie about the results to a positive one.
Stop lying about the causes of deaths.
Pandemic gone,

If course, they could do the last two any time, but that would be sensible and they don’t do sensible.

290959 ▶▶▶ Marialta, replying to annie, 9, #136 of 1754 🔗

How I wish you are right, but seeing how every single Covid death is treated as a worse tragedy than anything else I’m afraid it will run and run

290957 ▶▶ Marialta, replying to Steve Martindale, 21, #137 of 1754 🔗

I’ve just heard on Radio 4 that next year people will be given (shouldn’t that be offered?) a mixture of TWO vaccines. This saga is going to get more and more elaborate and twisted.
I’m also losing the will to fight now. Maybe going to the Keep Britain Free meeting tonight will fire me up, it’s usually jam packed ….

290963 ▶▶▶ Marialta, replying to Marialta, 12, #138 of 1754 🔗

https://www.forbes.com/sites/williamhaseltine/2020/09/23/covid-19-vaccine-protocols-reveal-that-trials-are-designed-to-succeed/?sh=616bdf375247

Very easy to read review in Forbes. Explains exactly what the vaccines do and don’t do, and how low the bar has been set for the trials to be effective.

290973 ▶▶▶▶ Simon Cook, replying to Marialta, 4, #139 of 1754 🔗

Thanks for posting Marialta.

As you say, easy to understand and also in a publication that zealots would struggle to ignore. A useful link to send to people I think.

Best regards

Simon

291673 ▶▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Marialta, 1, #140 of 1754 🔗

If total infections, hospitalizations, and death are going to be ignored in the preliminary trials of the vaccines, then there must be phase four testing to monitor their safety and efficacy. This would be long term massive scale monitoring of the vaccine. There must be an indication that the authorized vaccines are reducing infection, hospitalization, and death, or else they will not be able to stop this pandemic.

291172 ▶▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to Marialta, 1, #141 of 1754 🔗

I wish we had something locally I could attend like that. There is zero opposition to this stuff.

291700 ▶▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 1, #142 of 1754 🔗

Check out the telegram protest everywhere goup.

They have lots of local groups. New ones being added all the time.You might find one near you.

https://t.me/ProtestEverywhere

290985 ▶▶ Biker, replying to Steve Martindale, 22, #143 of 1754 🔗

Personally i’m looking forward to all them people who take the vaccine getting sick. Fucking good. I hope these fuckers suffer like we’re suffering under the tyranny. Your middle class Karen always talks the talk but when it comes to getting this new world order vaccine that will prevent women from getting pregnant i have my doubts she’ll go for it. We’ll see the first few days where the real fucking morons line up to to be tagged but after that no one will take it. How the child fuckers and faggots that run the country deal with that i don’t know but i’ll tell you this the only way they’re sticking a needle in my body is when it’s dead.

290993 ▶▶▶ KBuchanan, replying to Biker, 4, #144 of 1754 🔗

Er Karen tends to not be a middle class name, that would be Emily or Olivia!

291000 ▶▶▶▶ Biker, replying to KBuchanan, -8, #145 of 1754 🔗

fuck off tosser

292007 ▶▶▶▶▶ JanMasarykMunich, replying to Biker, 7, #146 of 1754 🔗

Biker,

I mostly enjoy your comments (they often make me laugh, which is nice), I admire your refusal to be cowed, and I am glad you are on our side.
But, please, is it necessary to be so rude? KBuch only made a rather harmless comment.

291058 ▶▶▶ Stephanos, replying to Biker, 4, #147 of 1754 🔗

Could someone tell me why the name Karen has acquired such a pejorative meaning?
This is a genuine enquiry; I would really like to know!

291066 ▶▶▶▶ Biker, replying to Stephanos, 4, #148 of 1754 🔗

I don’t think the name matters it’s just the kind of person who thinks they know it all but it’s obvious they know fuck all. The Karen tends to over inflate their own value while anyone within earshot just she’s some dumb fucker demanding to see the manager because she’s not 100% satisfied at all times.

291192 ▶▶▶▶ Silke David, replying to Stephanos, 3, #149 of 1754 🔗

As everything else, came from USA. So let’s ask them.

292069 ▶▶▶▶▶ RichardJames, replying to Silke David, #150 of 1754 🔗

Yes, see above.

291282 ▶▶▶▶ SweetBabyCheeses, replying to Stephanos, 4, #151 of 1754 🔗

It comes from misogyny, and also snobbery. The Karen meme is a portrayal of a (working class) woman who has the audacity to speak up about not being happy about something, and therefore must be abused and/or silenced until she remembers her place and shuts up.
You have heard of it before because the problem is as old as time.

292068 ▶▶▶▶ RichardJames, replying to Stephanos, 2, #152 of 1754 🔗

Yes; loads of videos of “Karens” either demanding to “speak to the manager” over some imagined slight, or marching up to someone she has never met before and demanding that the other person conforms to some Karen-related opinion or action.

Think ideal Covid marshal material. Nothing to do with misogyny, Karens tend to be female because a man would get punched.

Emo Philips had a good joke referring to this concept; “I went to hire a car the other day. The clerk said “Prove to me that you’re a citizen of New York”. So I stabbed him…”

290961 GorbalsGirl, replying to GorbalsGirl, 123, #154 of 1754 🔗

So the last week or two I’ve been going into my local Tesco (the one at Enoch’s square in central Glasgow) without any mask.

I never ever wore one to begin with (like I’d pay my own money for such Chinese plastic carcinogenic trash??). But I used to wear a Royal Stuart tartan scarf over my lower face. No longer will I deface such an ancient British symbol in the name of cringe to the false god of Covid.

Absolutely no one has challenged me.

Maybe I get filthy looks? I don’t really know or care because anyone in a mask to me is subhuman and I couldn’t give a flying French Connection UK what they think behind their slobbering wall of conformist shite.

Thanks to all you guys for the positive thinking and inspiration! Knowing if some wee gobshite has a go, I can just report it back here and we can all have a wee laugh about it makes such a huge difference.

No sceptic is alone. We all have each other’s backs and every transgression against their pish gives hope and inspiration to other sceptics.

And so anyone still wearing the mark of the beast across your face – go on and burn the thing! You’ll feel so much better not stooping low to match the standards of the scum out there! I swear my neck and shoulders were hurting from the scarf stoop. No longer.

Freedom is taken, not given.

Be your own person and take back control of your life 🙂

290969 ▶▶ TJN, replying to GorbalsGirl, 18, #155 of 1754 🔗

Great post.

290990 ▶▶ Biker, replying to GorbalsGirl, 53, #156 of 1754 🔗

Been walking around Fife since it started and never wore a mask, never washed my hands and never socially distanced. I’ve been confronted and i’ve laughed in the face of these fuckers. I don’t give a shit what anyone says. The very idea that such a useless fucker like Nicola Sturgeon can tell me that i need to block my airways is so insane as not to be worthy of me giving it a shit.

291048 ▶▶▶ Tom in Scotland, replying to Biker, 6, #157 of 1754 🔗

Excellent! Sturgeon is worse than useless.

291439 ▶▶▶ Ben, replying to Biker, 11, #158 of 1754 🔗

I wash my hands, as I always have done. But I won’t use sanitiser that damages beneficial bacteria that we need to live healthy lives

291786 ▶▶▶▶ Rowan, replying to Ben, 8, #159 of 1754 🔗

Never yet worn a mask, it’s simply a show of submission and it only encourages the utterly corrupt government to further heights of folly.

291792 ▶▶▶ David Grimbleby, replying to Biker, 2, #160 of 1754 🔗

Even after you’ve wiped your arse?

291024 ▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to GorbalsGirl, 17, #161 of 1754 🔗

Well said and well done!!!

We sceptics need to support and encourage others.

291050 ▶▶ Tom in Scotland, replying to GorbalsGirl, 10, #162 of 1754 🔗

So glad to hear this. I haven’t been to my Glasgow office since March. Stirling is fairly sane, fortunately.

People like you will lead us out of this madness. Thank you.

291233 ▶▶ petgor, replying to GorbalsGirl, 9, #163 of 1754 🔗

Couldn’t agree more. But, let’s have less of “be your own person” and more “be your own man” or “woman”. I am sick of this “person” business. Our genders has not yet been neutered. Not yet!

291718 ▶▶ Lili, replying to GorbalsGirl, 4, #164 of 1754 🔗

Giving you an enormous round of applause. Everything you say is 100% true.

291807 ▶▶ Liam, replying to GorbalsGirl, 3, #165 of 1754 🔗

Well said.

292432 ▶▶ Arnie, replying to GorbalsGirl, 4, #166 of 1754 🔗

100% Every day I feel more empowered. No mask, walk straight, walk proud and SMILE, most people react so positively to seeing a REAL face. we might be in the minority but there’s an awful lot of sympathy towards us.

Keep battering on folks.

Arnie.

290965 Scotty87, replying to Scotty87, 23, #167 of 1754 🔗

My eldest is 5 years old today, a welcome distraction from the cringeworthy “V Day” mass rollout of unlicensed, experimental vaccines.

I’ll be focusing on trying to remember the names of his favourite Pokemon rather than rage furiously at the latest pack of lies coming out of Matt Hancock’s mouth.

We all need to take a day off once in a while!

291710 ▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Scotty87, 1, #168 of 1754 🔗

Enjoy!

290966 p02099003, replying to p02099003, 2, #169 of 1754 🔗

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-55227325 90 year old is first to get vaccine.

290991 ▶▶ maggie may, replying to p02099003, 7, #170 of 1754 🔗

Poor brainwashed lady, she says she feels very privileged.

291712 ▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to maggie may, #171 of 1754 🔗

Her only claim to fame in 90 years!
Look, I’m in the paper!

291179 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to p02099003, 13, #172 of 1754 🔗

The clapping as she was wheelled back to ward was my moment to throw up. How many of those nurses are just doing that because they were told, knowing full well how much of a shambles this all is.

291201 ▶▶ Silke David, replying to p02099003, 5, #173 of 1754 🔗

I guess if she dies within 3 months, which is likely, of natural causes, they will keep that very quiet!

291258 ▶▶▶ petgor, replying to Silke David, 1, #174 of 1754 🔗

But they won’t say that it was death by natural causes. You know what they will put it down to. And who will be there to argue?

292028 ▶▶ JanMasarykMunich, replying to p02099003, 1, #175 of 1754 🔗

Extraordinary and absolutely nauseating. Apparently, she said that she was taking the vaccine so that she would finally be able to see her family. Psychologically battered into submission by months of lockdown/isolation/media scaremongering. No way that is real consent.

Have been reading coverage of this in CH and CzR media, and it is generally very negative — because of speed of vaccine approval and decision to use elderly as guinea pigs. Many people viewing it as unethical (and dangerous).

290968 Poppy, replying to Poppy, 52, #176 of 1754 🔗

So today is ‘V Day’ and frankly I’m feeling rather frightened about it. Our elderly population are taking part in a deeply unethical experiment and the government are taking a massive gamble with public health that could go either way. These are some of the weakest members in society who already struggle to mount an immune response to a wild virus, and there are still so many unknowns. This is completely new vaccine technology and we have no data on mass rollouts, only a very small sample in a clinical trial which is actually still ongoing. Full disclosure: I am pro-vaccine, I have had pretty much every jab going and even paid privately to have the flu jab this year but there is something about the Covid vaccine that makes me profoundly uneasy.

Even if the vaccine is a ‘success’ and causes minimal injury or damage, that’s not the end of the story, because vaccines don’t obviate the devastating damage from lockdowns that have scarred societies and people across the world. They don’t justify lockdowns and they can’t undo the harmful new social habits that will take months/years to reverse, such as social distancing, masks, people scared to leave the house, etc.

One observation I have had is that all the ‘national treasures’ who have offered to be jabbed as part of the PR campaign tend to be over 65. The vaccine is not (currently) being offered to anyone under 50. There is nothing about fertility issues on the patient leaflet for the vaccine (unlike the health professional leaflet) but for people over 50, infertility wouldn’t be a concern anyway.

Think about it. The fact that this vaccine is being targeted at the elderly once again hammers home that the government has trashed our young people’s tomorrow to cater for those who have already had a long, free life. I’m not saying we should write off the elderly, but they should have been proportionately protected from the very beginning in a way that does not unfairly burden the younger generations. Again, people say ‘But every country in the world has introduced restrictions!’ but, (very broadly speaking) the hardest crackdowns have been in rich Western countries with very elderly populations, with a few exceptions. Asian countries are doing very minimal testing (hence their apparent lack of ‘cases’ and ‘deaths’) and Covid has barely touched Africa, again perhaps due to a combination of no testing infrastructure to facilitate a pathological obsession with cases and a much younger population.

The West is obsessed with this new disease because it mainly affects their massive elderly populations. Western societies are unfairly weighted towards the elderly, simply because they vote more. But if the government really cared about the elderly, they wouldn’t be first in line to be injected with crap that could potentially harm them.

So governments have trashed economies and societies around the world to give the impression of caring for the elderly, but then use them as guinea pigs and treat them like shit if they live in a care home. This proves what I have thought from the very beginning: this is a massive political reputational exercise from governments in the West, who want to appear strong and caring but who shortchange pretty much every age group in the process.

290972 ▶▶ TJN, replying to Poppy, 14, #177 of 1754 🔗

The government responses have disproportionally penalised the elderly. The young have time and can recover and learn from their experiences. There’s no way back for tens, maybe hundreds, of thousands of the elderly.

291041 ▶▶▶ Poppy, replying to TJN, 19, #178 of 1754 🔗

I agree, but they have also disproportionately affected the young. The young are not affected in any serious way by this virus but are being kicked before they’ve even started in life. Most of these folk haven’t even got careers or independence yet and will now find it much harder to do so, and when they do finally find work they will be paying for this folly for the rest of their lives. Children are also missing out on education which will have long lasting detrimental effects. I agree that these responses have been terrible for the elderly and never should have happened, but if countries spent more time investing in their young and allowing them a greater stake in our society, as they are our future, then lockdowns may not have even happened because govts would have acknowledged their disproportionate impact on the young, and lack of lockdown would have then in turn benefitted the elderly.

291056 ▶▶▶▶ Jonathan Palmer, replying to Poppy, 30, #179 of 1754 🔗

It is not a suffering olympics.Lockdowns are wrong for everyone.

291137 ▶▶▶▶ TJN, replying to Poppy, 12, #180 of 1754 🔗

Yes, I understand that the young have been very badly affected. Stuff like this always affects worst the most vulnerable people in society.

What I was trying to say that is there are always difficulties in life for all generations (1950s baby-boomers perhaps being something of an exception), and that the young have time. Many of the old people dying in care homes alone and denied visits will have grown up during the war – my guess (and hope) is that will prove a tougher paper round than the covid-response aftermath.

Time heals an awful lot, in ways that perhaps you don’t envisage or even imagine when young. Old people haven’t got time.

I’m neither young nor old, but have children so of course think about what the world has in store for them. More frightening for me than economic difficulties is the prospect of the dystopian society that the covid-response has given us such a disturbing insight into, and what we can do to ensure it never becomes a permanent reality.

One way I see this going, with all the economic pain yet to come, is society fracturing into competing groups: young v. old; property owning v. non.; white collar v. blue (to se old categories); public sector v. private; and so on. We can already see the seeds of this. I am sure it is something we need to avoid, as the damage caused through such fractures will be insidious and profound.

291140 ▶▶▶▶ Foxglove, replying to Poppy, 19, #181 of 1754 🔗

Completely agree Poppy. The damage done to the young who are at no risk from this virus is unforgivable. It is small things that add up over the months. Watching my daughter get more and more demoralised as every pleasure in live is removed or spoilt. But the young are the solution, if more of them could wake up and fight back the government would have no where to turn. This is why they closed schools and talked about asymptomatic spread and tried to blame and shame the young. We need the younger generation to revolt and seize back their futures.

292047 ▶▶▶▶▶ JanMasarykMunich, replying to Foxglove, 3, #182 of 1754 🔗

Yes, quite right, depressing to see many of the young/youngish indulging in virtue-signalling (fancy masks and shaming sceptics on social media) rather than fighting back against this madness. I still hope there could be some kind of backlash on the way.

291055 ▶▶▶ Achilles, replying to TJN, 10, #183 of 1754 🔗

The responses have disproportionally penalised the young in relation to their risk though. They may have more time to recover but they may not even get the chance to live life with the freedoms that most have been able to take for granted. And economically they will be paying the price for decades. Lockdown is a tragedy for everyone but with the future that’s being lined up I’d much rather have had my life than be at the start of it.

291145 ▶▶▶▶ TJN, replying to Achilles, 2, #184 of 1754 🔗

Hi Achilles – please see my response to Poppy above, most of which I could just have easily written here. As I wrote, Time heals an awful lot.

My guess is that, rather than the young, it will be the economically inactive who will be most affected over the coming years and even decades. The young will better be able to ride the waves of change (bit clicheish I know, but can’t think of anything better right now) out of this

290984 ▶▶ Dorian_Hawkmoon, replying to Poppy, 7, #185 of 1754 🔗

Establishment gotta punish them elderly Brexit voters somehow.

291042 ▶▶ Jonathan Palmer, replying to Poppy, 20, #186 of 1754 🔗

The government murdered thousands of elderly people by knowingly sending infected people into care homes and then denied them NHS care.They then used the pretext of protecting the elderly to keep everyone locked up.

291470 ▶▶▶ Ben, replying to Jonathan Palmer, 9, #187 of 1754 🔗

Also some care home whistle-blowers cite removal of food, water, medicine protocols, hidden by lockdown rules that forbade relatives from visiting (witnessing)

Perhaps a repeat of the Liverpool Care Pathway scandal.

291465 ▶▶ Ben, replying to Poppy, 18, #188 of 1754 🔗

The evil on display via politicians, the media, friendly faces is beyond comprehension

I read Michael Yeadon/Wolfgang Wodarg’s concerns about the vaccine and had my concerns confirmed. Indemnification is enough of a red flag for me

To think that adequate levels of vitamin D, healthy diet, exercise, maintaining social connections, adequate sleep – and if succumbing to the ‘virus’ hydroxycholoquine and zinc as used around the world, is enough to protect someone and keep them healthy

But no – Pharma shareholders want the trough filling. This is the evil I cannot comprehend

291667 ▶▶ fiery, replying to Poppy, 10, #189 of 1754 🔗

I’m sure a lot of elderly people particularly those in nursing homes didn’t ask to be wrapped in cotton wool and basically had this forced upon them by an increasingly risk averse culture. The same people will ow have the vaccine forced upon them as will many people who work in the healthcare sector.
I’m 60 and am furious about being defined as elderly. Prior to Covid I was enjoying being an agency worker in a housing project after spending more than a life sentence working in the NHS. My second job was trying to re establish a career as an artist. Yeah I know I’m too old but I studied art to degree level but due to being working class struggled to get a job in the creative industries. I was actually doing quite well until March and had shown work in a number of exhibitions. I also had plenty of agency work which helped fund my art practice. Sine the first lockdown exhibition opportunities have almost dried up and my hours with the agency have reduced to the bare minimum.
I’ve lost the best part of a healthy year of my life where I’d planned to climb both Snowden and Ben Nevis. Many of my previous outdoor pursuits have been off limits due to both the lockdowns and now the equally ridiculous tier system.
My savings and investments have been decimated thanks to the massive fall in interests rates. I don’t anticipate I’ll ever recover from this as unlike a younger person time just isn’t on my side. I wanted to be able to do what I loved until it killed me. Now it feels unlikely.
I won’t be having the vaccine as I’d rather take the risk of Covid finishing me off prematurely than being protected, facing a poverty stricken old age and basically living a half life.

292155 ▶▶▶ AshesThanDust, replying to fiery, #190 of 1754 🔗

My sympathies.

Keep making art!!

291720 ▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Poppy, 4, #191 of 1754 🔗

I think they’re culling the expensive useless eaters. With the avalanche of unemployment that will hit after furlough, many over-50s will find it hard to get jobs …..

The young will be controlled via debt.

292038 ▶▶ JanMasarykMunich, replying to Poppy, 4, #192 of 1754 🔗

You are absolutely right.
But for many elderly people this has not been done in their name. No one asked them and they would rather live their lives as they see fit rather than ‘be protected’ by self-appointed (and basically cruel) ‘protectors’.
My mother is 86 and she does not support any of this nonsense. Quite the contrary.

290970 TJN, replying to TJN, 12, #193 of 1754 🔗

The failure of the Church to provide either effective spiritual or temporal leadership over the last ten months has often been remarked on recently.

But in my opinion that commentary has come nowhere near grasping the scale of that failure, or the consequences which are by now surely baked in the pie.

Closed churches??? Dear God.

I don’t know if anyone on here with memories of the 1980s alternative rock scene recalls an obscure little gem by a band called 10,000 Maniacs, ‘Planned Obsolescence’.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7sVc8lkTfrk

Nearly four decades later, the lyrics seem almost chillingly apposite:

Science is truth for life

Watch religion fall obsolete

Science Will be truth for life

Technology as nature

Science Truth for life

In Fortran tongue the Answer …

290976 ▶▶ RyanM, replying to TJN, 5, #194 of 1754 🔗

In fortran tongue the answer?

Wow. Very 1980s of natalie merchant. (I think she’s a bit of a lefty)

291150 ▶▶▶ TJN, replying to RyanM, 2, #195 of 1754 🔗

It was back in 1982!

291176 ▶▶▶ ChrisDinBristol, replying to RyanM, 1, #196 of 1754 🔗

Aren’t climate models still fortran megamesses? Just askin. . .

290977 ▶▶ Basileus, replying to TJN, 7, #197 of 1754 🔗

As pointed out by CS Lewis, Francis Schaeffer and others back in the 50’s, the rejection of the Sovereign God leads to a science led tyranny. In the words of Randy Stonehill:

I can’t keep from mourning for this topsy-turvy world
with all its strife and pain
Mourning for the lost and the desperate children who can’t remember their name

And I can feel it in my soul
How the end is getting near
I can hear the devil laughing
And it’s ringing in my ears

Long ago he chose us to inherit all His kingdom
And we were blessed with light
But wandering away we disobeyed Him in the garden
And stumbled into night

and I can feel it in my soul
Now the end is getting near
I can hear the angels weeping
And it’s ringing in my ears

We are all like foolish puppetsWho desiring to be kings
Now lie pitifully crippled
after cutting our own strings

http://www.elyrics.net/read/r/randy-stonehill-lyrics/puppet-strings-lyrics.html

291006 ▶▶▶ Basileus, replying to Basileus, 4, #198 of 1754 🔗

Daniel Chapter 2:

44 And in the days of those kings the God of heaven will set up a kingdom that shall never be destroyed, nor shall the kingdom be left to another people. It shall break in pieces all these kingdoms and bring them to an end, and it shall stand forever, 45 just as you saw that a stone was cut from a mountain by no human hand, and that it broke in pieces the iron, the bronze, the clay, the silver, and the gold. A great God has made known to the king what shall be after this. The dream is certain, and its interpretation sure.”

https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Daniel%202&version=ESV

291049 ▶▶▶▶ Stephanos, replying to Basileus, #199 of 1754 🔗

I have often been intrigued by your choice of name and I infer that you know at least some Greek. Would you care to join one of my New Testament Greek classes? I have three, Beginners, Intermediate and Advanced, so I think one of these would be appropriate, if I may say. Or do you run one yourself? Please get in touch via the form at http://www.eroumen.co.uk .

291139 ▶▶▶▶▶ Basileus, replying to Stephanos, 1, #200 of 1754 🔗

Done.

290997 ▶▶ Biker, replying to TJN, 8, #201 of 1754 🔗

The church is finished. Even the Pope doesn’t believe the shite he talks. Science is the new religion and like the old religion is full of shite also. No difference between the two and both of these believers will force you to believe. The religious used to burn you at the stake but now they don’t so the fear of death from these people has gone so it’s dying , well the scientists will inject you with the fire against your will because they know best.

291207 ▶▶▶ TJN, replying to Biker, 6, #202 of 1754 🔗

Science is the new religion and like the old religion is full of shite

Maybe they both had something useful to say until they were taken over by careerists.

I don’t know anything about religious careers, but science is driven by and almost entirely dependent on securing the next research grant. Hardly the path to truth and honesty.

292616 ▶▶▶▶ richard riewer, replying to TJN, #203 of 1754 🔗

That’s right. That goes for Junk Science as well.

291581 ▶▶▶ Ben, replying to Biker, 3, #204 of 1754 🔗

Science has become corrupted by the gravity of Pharma and Bill Gates ‘funding’

291803 ▶▶▶▶ David Grimbleby, replying to Ben, #205 of 1754 🔗

See, Science Fictions, Exposing Fraud, Bias, Negligence and Hype in Science by Stuart Ritchie..there is no ‘objective’ science, I’m not sure there ever was.

291029 ▶▶ Stephanos, replying to TJN, 23, #206 of 1754 🔗

Some months ago a clergyman at our local church who organises meetings for local house group leaders rang me up.
After complimenting me on running a number of groups for New Testament Greek , saying that I was doing great job and so on, he then went on to the real topic.
I had, a few weeks previous to that, attended the nine o’ clock service (half communion) without a mask face-nappy; no one had remarked on that at the time but apparently someone complained. Could I please wear a mask face-nappy next time? Naturally, I refused and pointed out there there WERE exemptions, something of which he was unaware. The conversation was not a meeting of minds.
I pointed out (do bear in mind this was some months ago; the sins of the church hierarchy are now more numerous):

  1. The silence of church leaders (none of them, not just the Church of England, have been forthcoming) during this completely confected crisis has been total. I said we needed an Old Testament prophet like Amos, Zechariah or the like/ Where were they?
  2. It is no excuse to advance the argument that this is the law of the land; where would the church be if:
  3. Peter and John had not defied the Jews as described in Acts 4?
  4. Paul and Silas, after being imprisoned and beaten at Philippi had given up?
  5. Polycarp had caved in to the demand of the governor of Smyrna
  6. Martin Luther had backed down?
  7. There was no answer to this. I am not ordained, I have studied the scriptures for myself and I am informing a clergyman?
  8. The fact that Welby and his bench of bishops had CLOSED the churches was astonishing; this was the first time in 800 years that this had happened. The Devil must have thought Christmas had come early.
  9. The church had said nothing, not one single thing, about people losing their jobs, businesses being destroyed, lives being wrecked, nothing. Only pious thoughts and prayers about ‘key workers’, which is a fraudulent concept.

I rarely go to church these days as I do not have the right frame of mind for worship; I often think I ought to go to make a protest but that is not a good attitude. I also refuse to have communion in one kind only; I take communion in both kinds or not at all, hence the description ‘half communion’.
Since then the sins of the church in this respect have become worse:

  1. Those members of the clergy that HAVE spoken out have been publicly rebuked. I do not have the name to hand, but one of them wrote to the Daily Telegraph challenging the police to arrest him.
  2. Some churches have defied the government and have opened; there was one in South Wales which was broken up by the police. There was not ONE word of support from the church hierarchy.
  3. On this forum someone described a visit to an underground church; this was heartwarming but on the other hand, how dreadful. The response from church leaders? Nothing. And this is because they HAVE no response They are so embarrassed that they have done nothing. Think about this. This country has been a beacon for freedom throughout the world for CENTURIES and now we have underground churches meeting in secret like the old, unlamented Soviet Union,
  4. Welby has decided to skive off for a sabbatical, doubtless to write another of his books consisting of communist claptrap and socialist drivel.

I told this clergyman that if I had my way Welby and his useless bench of bishops should all be demoted the status of a trainee curate for seven years and I referred to Daniel chapter 5. It was C. S. Lewis who somewhere says that the ordinary communicant conceals his faith before his vicar because he believes so much more.
So I agree with TJN, the criticism of the church is too light and the failure of church leaders is gargantuan.
There are plenty of Christians on this forum, but where are the clergymen? Has anyone seen a clergyman at any of the protests?

291067 ▶▶▶ Waldorf, replying to Stephanos, 7, #207 of 1754 🔗

Many churches are more like civil service or government departments. If they really believed, they would see something like Covid as negligible and hold their services.

291072 ▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to Stephanos, 12, #208 of 1754 🔗

I was baptised Catholic & went to Catholic schools but am not practising and somewhere along the line had lost my faith. However this is something that I would not readily admit in my home country because people there would react in horror. When I admitted that I never went to mass, never prayed the rosary, never observed any of the religious occasions, I was labelled an “atheist” (obviously didn’t know the real meaning of the word).

The reaction of the churches to this crisis has been both a source of disappointment and not a surprise really. This was an opportunity for them to provide real leadership in matters of the spirit but no, they closed the churches and denied the sacraments and service to those who needed them. They have been active enforcers of the government’s insane diktats and when challenged can only offer weasel words by way of apology.

Instead the CoE prefers to pontificate on the likes of slavery and matters pertaining to Caesar such as Brexit.

The Catholic church have been no better as well. Christianity has come a long, long way from the heady days of the early Christians and stepping into the power vacuum after Rome was sacked by the Visigoths in 410AD. This time there is no-one to step in the vacuum after another group of barbarians have breached the gates of Western Civilisation.

When this shit show is over, perhaps we should also disestablish the CoE and remove the bishops from the House of Lords. They serve no useful purpose and would be better off putting their own house in order rather than to aid the further erosion of the history & heritage of this country.

291109 ▶▶▶▶ Tom in Scotland, replying to Bart Simpson, 9, #209 of 1754 🔗

Absolutely – Sweden disestablished its own state church in 2000 and I think Norway was going to do the same. I’m a member of the National Secular Society and oppose religious privilege. The bishops should have been removed from the Lords years ago; the only other country with this situation is Iran. It’s outrageous in a country that claims to be a democracy.

291193 ▶▶▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to Tom in Scotland, 3, #210 of 1754 🔗

Exactly. That said there are other countries where despite the explicit separation between Church and State, the former holds a big influence – look at the Philippines as an example.

291146 ▶▶▶ Basileus, replying to Stephanos, 1, #211 of 1754 🔗

For a discussion about how the Church should respond to a hostile government see this video based on the Book of Daniel:

https://www.bitchute.com/video/LVDa8DD4WLnH/

291180 ▶▶▶ TJN, replying to Stephanos, 9, #212 of 1754 🔗

Good points Stephanos, which beg for answers.

During the Black Death a disproportionally high number of priests died. The Christian ethic is/was supposed to be one of helping the needy, not running away from them.

I don’t see how after the last 10 months the Church can claim much legitimacy. Yes, the criticism has been very light. And isn’t that very telling? Does the Church actually matter much to society any more??

I’m not one for revealed religion myself. You won’t find me in a church as part of a congregation, but you just might find me sitting in one on my own somewhere out in the middle of nowhere.

292055 ▶▶▶ JanMasarykMunich, replying to Stephanos, #213 of 1754 🔗

I read of one at a protest in Germany.

292091 ▶▶▶ Cheshirecatslave, replying to Stephanos, #214 of 1754 🔗

They are fine with my mask exemption at my church but the vicar seems to talk as much about covid precautions as about God. I still enjoy church though and sing quietly in defiance of the regulations.

291011 ▶▶ Basileus, replying to Tom Blackburn, #216 of 1754 🔗

Fake news surely?

292649 ▶▶▶ Tom Blackburn, replying to Basileus, #217 of 1754 🔗

Word on the street. Peeps need to be aware of the general chit chat

290974 Caramel, 3, #218 of 1754 🔗

Sweden might have been more free but they also overreacted from the start. Very disappointing that they haven’t allowed large crowds yet.

290979 Biker, replying to Biker, 25, #219 of 1754 🔗

When Sturgeon was asked how much the government had spent on it and said she didn’t know what she meant was she didn’t care, after all she stole the money from my pocket and like ALL SOCIALISTS spends the stolen money like a council estate lottery winner.
I already despise all socialists more than i can express but Sturgeon is particularly nasty.

290995 ▶▶ nottingham69, replying to Biker, 8, #220 of 1754 🔗

It is easy for Sturgeon. Socialism that somebody else is paying for.

290986 SweetBabyCheeses, replying to SweetBabyCheeses, 6, #221 of 1754 🔗

Re the London issue… obviously all “cases” and Tiers are bs but I’m kinda thinking it’s a good thing as Option 1 – letting them stay in Tier 2 is only going to peak more Midlanders and Northerners into not giving a monkeys about restrictions anymore.
And Option 2 – putting them in Tier 3 is only going to peak more Southerners into not giving a monkeys about restrictions anymore. If London’s streets are no longer paved gold then it might wake a few more up too.

It’s almost like pitting different regions against each other might backfire…

291022 ▶▶ arfurmo, replying to SweetBabyCheeses, 3, #222 of 1754 🔗

No chance that London will go into tier 3. Khan will not allow it -and when Khan and St Nicola tell Boris to jump, he asks how high.

291298 ▶▶▶ SweetBabyCheeses, replying to arfurmo, 4, #223 of 1754 🔗

I lose track of what Khan wants. He’s such a flip flopper. I thought he wanted stricter restrictions?

In terms of peaking more people into civil disobedience Option 1 is prob better of the two evils. This will be the way out of this mess sooner or later, more and more people will just stop paying any attention.

290987 Simon Dutton, replying to Simon Dutton, 3, #224 of 1754 🔗

Apropos care homes, this clip was aired on yesterday’s UK Column News:

https://youtu.be/BVU0kslHCCI?t=2621

291740 ▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Simon Dutton, #225 of 1754 🔗

Makes DNR look positively tempting.

290989 alw, replying to alw, 49, #226 of 1754 🔗

Seen elsewhere;

”I live on the edge of Central London and no one I know whether friends or family has the virus and the same with them. We have doctors in the family and friends who are doctors.

The r rate is a theoretical construct which is flawed as are the tests. A few more deaths from respiratory infections are sad but this is what happens in winter. We cannot and must not lock up people to prevent deaths. The only way is to protect the vulnerable which the government seems unable to do. This country is run by halfwits.”

291035 ▶▶ vargas99, replying to alw, 13, #227 of 1754 🔗

And populated with halfwits

290992 TimeIsNow, replying to TimeIsNow, 2, #228 of 1754 🔗

Good stuff from California with Dave Rubin.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=bO9SKPyD_G0

291197 ▶▶ TimeIsNow, replying to TimeIsNow, #229 of 1754 🔗
290994 karenovirus, replying to karenovirus, 3, #230 of 1754 🔗

Liar in Chief lying on the Today Programme
Hancock’s quarter hour.

We have a new hero to worship, Margaret, the first person to be vaccinated 🙈 🙉 🙊

291032 ▶▶ vargas99, replying to karenovirus, 10, #231 of 1754 🔗

Next thing they’ll be setting her up with Captain Tom to do a double act.

291080 ▶▶ p02099003, replying to karenovirus, 6, #232 of 1754 🔗

Has no one explained to this lady that she won’t be able to see her family in the new year?
it’s the best early birthday present I could wish for because it means I can finally look forward to spending time with my family and friends in the new year after being on my own for most of the year.”

291093 ▶▶▶ karenovirus, replying to p02099003, 2, #233 of 1754 🔗

doormat said ‘peak immunity comes 5 weeks after the first jab’ so sadly Margaret will be lonely this Xmas

291087 ▶▶ karenovirus, replying to karenovirus, 4, #234 of 1754 🔗

Margaret is appealing to everyone to take the wonderful vaccine, BBC R4 news, bless.

292625 ▶▶▶ richard riewer, replying to karenovirus, #235 of 1754 🔗

Saint Margaret of ScotlandFrom Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
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Queen consort of Scotland Tenure1070–1093
Bornc. 1045
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House Wessex Father Edward the Exile Mother Agatha Religion Catholicism Saint Margaret Queen of ScotsVenerated in Roman Catholic Church and Anglican Communion Canonized 1250 by Pope Innocent IV Major shrine Dunfermline Abbey , Fife , Scotland Feast 16 November Attributes reading Patronage Scotland , Dunfermline , Fife , Shetland , The Queen’s Ferry, and Anglo-Scottish relations Saint Margaret of Scotland ( Scots : Saunt Magret , c. 1045 – 16 November 1093), also known as Margaret of Wessex , was an English princess and a Scottish queen . Margaret was sometimes called “The Pearl of Scotland”. [1] Born in the Kingdom of Hungary to the expatriate English prince Edward the Exile , Margaret and her family returned to England in 1057. Following the death of king Harold II at the Battle of Hastings in 1066, her brother Edgar Ætheling was elected as King of England but never crowned. After she and her family fled north, Margaret married Malcolm III of Scotland by the end of 1070.
She was a very pious Christian, and among many charitable works she established a ferry across the Firth of Forth in Scotland for pilgrims travelling to St Andrews in Fife , which gave the towns of South Queensferry and North Queensferry their names. Margaret was the mother of three kings of Scotland, or four, if Edmund of Scotland (who ruled with his uncle, Donald III ) is counted, and of a queen consort of England. According to the Vita S. Margaritae (Scotorum) Reginae ( Life of St. Margaret, Queen (of the Scots) ), attributed to Turgot of Durham , she died at Edinburgh Castle in Edinburgh , Scotland in 1093, merely days after receiving the news of her husband’s death in battle.
In 1250, Pope Innocent IV canonized her, and her remains were reinterred in a shrine in Dunfermline Abbey in Fife , Scotland . Her relics were dispersed after the Scottish Reformation and subsequently lost. Mary, Queen of Scots , at one time owned her head, which was subsequently preserved by Jesuits in the Scots College, Douai , France , from where it was subsequently lost during the French Revolution

292621 ▶▶ richard riewer, replying to karenovirus, #236 of 1754 🔗

Soon to be the Second Saint Margaret, blessed by Global Agent, Pope Francis.

290998 THE REAL NORMAL PODCAST, replying to THE REAL NORMAL PODCAST, 33, #237 of 1754 🔗

Happy to say that almost every person I meet thinks this is totally bonkers now.

The Gov are just clinging on with the Vaccine.

That’ll all fall apart soon too.

MERRY CHRISTMAS!

292626 ▶▶ richard riewer, replying to THE REAL NORMAL PODCAST, #238 of 1754 🔗

All fall down!

291038 ▶▶ Dame Lynet, replying to Tom Blackburn, 6, #240 of 1754 🔗

This is great but should have happened much sooner, ditto retail, entertainment, sport. They should all be hounding the govt en masse constantly.

291001 Fingerache Philip., replying to Fingerache Philip., 12, #241 of 1754 🔗

Get a woman who will be 91 next week for a photo opportunity showing her having the “jab” at 06:45 this morning.
What ever happened to looking after”vulnerable” people?

291214 ▶▶ The Filthy Engineer, replying to Fingerache Philip., 4, #242 of 1754 🔗

Yes. A dreadful piece of propaganda pimping out the confidential medical details of anyone.

291330 ▶▶ Victoria, replying to Fingerache Philip., 5, #243 of 1754 🔗

She would have been much better off with high dose Vitamin D3 and Vitamin C

291002 Gezzah Potts, replying to Gezzah Potts, 36, #244 of 1754 🔗

Visited this site a number of times now, much appreciate what you do.
I’m down in Melbourne, where the most brutal measures were unleashed on 5 million people by the demented Premier of Victoria, Daniel Andrews.
Despite most restrictions being eased (for now, until next time) and facemasks only mandatory in supermarkets and on public transport, the majority of people walk around outside… still wearing facemasks.
In short, the level of absolute brainwashing here and inability of allegedly intelligent people to think rationally is bloody depressing.
A large number actually support what Andrews did – all to ‘keep the community safe’.

291062 ▶▶ Tom in Scotland, replying to Gezzah Potts, 7, #245 of 1754 🔗

I’ve visited Melbourne twice and have a friend there. Sadly, he’s a Covidian and abandoned critical thought. ‘Chairman Dan’ Andrews is a demagogue and I wonder about his ties to the Communist Party of China (can’t believe he signed Victoria up to the Belt and Road Initiative and I hope the federal government will cancel it). Sorry to hear about all this.

291159 ▶▶▶ Gezzah Potts, replying to Tom in Scotland, 12, #246 of 1754 🔗

I’m on a few anti lockdown, covid sceptic Facebook groups, but everyone I know in person is a covidian. Believe me, I’ve tried to wake them up. Like headbutting a wall. I even had someone today quite incredulous that I will refuse to get jabbed. They thought I was nuts!!

291562 ▶▶▶▶ Tom in Scotland, replying to Gezzah Potts, 3, #247 of 1754 🔗

Yes, I have to avoid the topic completely or I’ll have a big row with my friend. He was deeply ideological even before all this, and one thing I’ve seen early on is how people’s attitudes on the Rona are influenced more by ideology than science or even general politics. It’s like a cult. I think Australia also suffers from not having a bill of rights or much of a culture of rights; there seems to be something of a ‘prison’ mentality, which allows for one hell of a nanny state.

292627 ▶▶▶ richard riewer, replying to Tom in Scotland, #248 of 1754 🔗

Chinese money makes all the difference. Let’s call it blackmail. Or a bribe.

291128 ▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Gezzah Potts, #249 of 1754 🔗

I have a four generation tribe of cousins in NSW. Started with a ten pound pom and my mums sister.
I met each of their four adult children as they came over travelling. Sturdy resilient types who I’d like to think haven’t fallen for the nonsense.
Their children however are in medicine and media so I hold no great hope for them.

291166 ▶▶▶ Gezzah Potts, replying to karenovirus, 5, #250 of 1754 🔗

A lot of people here in Australia have become frothing covid cult zombies Karen. Even people I thought would’ve seen thru all the contradictions and propaganda.

291448 ▶▶ JHuntz, replying to Gezzah Potts, 4, #251 of 1754 🔗

Nice to have you hear Gezzah. I was appalled at what you guys had to go through for effectively zero cases.

291464 ▶▶ Be Unshakeable, replying to Gezzah Potts, 1, #252 of 1754 🔗

We’ve been watching Victoria going full retard, ugly business indeed. Plenty of Karens in our hemisphere too. Solidarity mate.

291473 ▶▶ Ben, replying to Gezzah Potts, 2, #253 of 1754 🔗

Dan Andrews is a fascist dictator

291570 ▶▶▶ Tom in Scotland, replying to Ben, #254 of 1754 🔗

Or perhaps more of a communist (‘Chairman Dan’)….

291005 Fingerache Philip., 3, #255 of 1754 🔗

Will this vaccine bring the dead back to life?
The Government, that is.

291008 NickR, 4, #256 of 1754 🔗

Positive tests in Camden & surrounding areas since before the Lockdown. Doesn’t look like it’s rising that fast to me.

291009 NickR, replying to NickR, 1, #257 of 1754 🔗

Positive tests in Lambeth & surrounding areas since before the Lockdown. Doesn’t look like it’s rising that fast to me

291657 ▶▶ Ben, replying to NickR, 2, #258 of 1754 🔗

PCR test results are meaningless. ‘We’re testing healthy people and declaring them unwell whilst refusing to treat actual sick people’

291010 Apache, replying to Apache, 3, #259 of 1754 🔗

Just listened to David Salisbury (Former Director of Immunisation at Dept of Health) on Talk Radio. He was stating that because, in particular, the Astra Zeneca vaccine only had 60% efficacy all of us would have to continue wearing masks. He also stated that all the vulnerable and elderly wouldn’t be vaccinated (reasons not given) as similar reason why we ALL would have to remain masked? Great.

291025 ▶▶ annie, replying to Apache, 17, #260 of 1754 🔗

Masks deface, masks humiliate, masks degrade, masks dehumanise.
Of course the Fascist pigs still want them.

291185 ▶▶▶ stefarm, replying to annie, 2, #261 of 1754 🔗

Also stops people saying, these vaccines don’t work, load of bollocks mate

291012 NickR, replying to NickR, 2, #262 of 1754 🔗

Positive tests in Redbridge & surrounding areas since before the Lockdown. Doesn’t look like it’s rising that fast to me.


291094 ▶▶ PFD, replying to NickR, 7, #263 of 1754 🔗

As a scientist involved with measurement I look at that data and see it jumping around and think statistical noise with no trends apparent. They are testing too few people in each district to have reliable data, often quoted to the first decimal place.

291118 ▶▶▶ NickR, replying to PFD, 3, #264 of 1754 🔗

I think a lot depends on when/where they test. In my area they set up a test centre on a Monday & Thursday morning each week behind the Leisure centre, lines of people, on their own, in cars with masks on queue up, & hey presto our area reports 2 little spikes each week. The same crew go off to other towns on other days producing spikes there. I suspect lots of false positives of the worried well.

291971 ▶▶▶ RichardJames, replying to PFD, #265 of 1754 🔗

“often quoted to the first decimal place.”

I always knew my big toe was a treasonous part of my body!

291013 Jonathan Smith, replying to Jonathan Smith, 18, #266 of 1754 🔗

Macron imposes stricter lockdowns and Parisiennes bugger of en masse to Charante or wherever else they can do exactly as they please for longer. Same in the US where Californians move elsewhere for simple pleasure of going to a restaurant or bar. Salopians chose to hop the Welsh border to shop before shopping got weird in Wales, and now we have the spectacle of North Yorkshire police trying to intimidate anyone travelling from tier 3 into tier 2 zones… Yet polling tells us that people want longer, harder, deeper lockdowns, that they’re mad for restriction, intoxicated by state orders… Something does not add up.

291018 ▶▶ Jonathan Palmer, replying to Jonathan Smith, 15, #267 of 1754 🔗

Polls are a tool for influencing opinions not measuring them.

291014 Steve Martindale, replying to Steve Martindale, 26, #268 of 1754 🔗

When not chuntering on about the iniquities of lock-down much of my time is outdoors, gardening and nature conservation work. Watching how nature works, it is not sentimental, death is accepted as a fact of life, an owl family will have no compunction in eating the runt of the family, the sparrow hawk takes down in pigeon in a flurry of feathers but the rest of them carry on grazing my veg! How does the natural world answer death and loss? births, the whole of the natural world seems geared around birth and new life.

To me part of the problem this year is that we have lost this connection with the natural pattern of birth and death and so perhaps appropriately as we approach Christmas the ONS have just issued a summary of live births for the first 3 quarters of 2020,

https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunity/birthsdeathsandmarriages/livebirths/datasets/provisionalbirthsinenglandandwales

I am no mathematician and so please feel free to check my figures but my analysis is;
Total live births Jan – Sept 2020 England & Wales 464,437
Total registered deaths Jan-Sept 2020 England & Wales 453,803

And so despite being hit by this ‘unprecedented virus’ despite all the wailing and gnashing of teeth over terrible deaths, so far this year we appear, on my calculations, to have had 10,634 more live births than deaths in England & Wales. Most of the natural world would consider this a good result and a successful year but our strange view of life means that much of the country is wittering on about deaths and vaccines. It is new life that matters! those 453803 live births are our future , we need to ensure we put our energy into nurturing them to a full and productive life, not locking them down.

291021 ▶▶ Cecil B, replying to Steve Martindale, 7, #269 of 1754 🔗

‘Eating the runt of the family’

If the pig dictators family had followed nature we wouldn’t be in this mess

291023 ▶▶▶ annie, replying to Cecil B, 2, #270 of 1754 🔗

Would you have fancied eating that rubbish?

291958 ▶▶▶▶ RichardJames, replying to annie, #271 of 1754 🔗

Nice. Very nice.

291033 ▶▶ annie, replying to Steve Martindale, 2, #272 of 1754 🔗

Born into the Covvie slave state.
Useful Covviefodder.

291053 ▶▶ Steve Martindale, replying to Steve Martindale, 1, #273 of 1754 🔗

Sorry my last sentence should have said 464437 live births (the 453803 is the deaths figure! if my calculations are correct?)

291177 ▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Steve Martindale, 3, #274 of 1754 🔗

The realisation that 99.9% of all creatures born into this world get eaten by something higher up the food chain was what startedme doubting how great Gods plan really was.

291967 ▶▶▶ RichardJames, replying to karenovirus, 1, #275 of 1754 🔗

I understand your reasoning, but one of the previous Popes had a most excellent view on what to do about this sad state of affairs.
One of the Papal Legates is reported to have expressed a view similar to my own, if directed to certain section of our body politic; “Caedite eos. Novit enim Dominus qui sunt eius”.

292681 ▶▶▶▶ karenovirus, replying to RichardJames, #276 of 1754 🔗

Jeremy Corbyn prevented me from learning Latin

291221 ▶▶ Silke David, replying to Steve Martindale, 1, #277 of 1754 🔗

Hear, hear!
Thank you!

291019 Dame Lynet, replying to Dame Lynet, 5, #278 of 1754 🔗

I must say I am looking forward to that Nativity scene when it has been ‘improved’ by the locals 😉

I do hope they step up and we are updated. Soon.

291141 ▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Dame Lynet, 4, #279 of 1754 🔗

Note the CND logo under the seat.

291948 ▶▶▶ RichardJames, replying to karenovirus, #280 of 1754 🔗

Yes; the satanic “broken cross”. (I know it is actually is a combined semaphore “N” and “D”, but it is significant in this context.

291954 ▶▶▶▶ RichardJames, replying to RichardJames, #281 of 1754 🔗

P.S. Strangely, the previous Pope’s favourite walking crucifix was also a “crooked cross”. I wonder why he liked it so much? These people just love their arcane symbolism.

You may also examine, with advantage, the City of London’s corporate logo, but that is probably a coincidence.

291294 ▶▶ Simon Dutton, replying to Dame Lynet, 1, #282 of 1754 🔗

And why aren’t they wearing masks? Covid deniers, the lot of them!

291769 ▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Simon Dutton, #283 of 1754 🔗

Cos they’re outside?

291026 Cecil B, 5, #284 of 1754 🔗

Vaccine Extermination Day

The new VE day

291028 Iansn, replying to Iansn, 25, #285 of 1754 🔗

Professor Paul Hunter at the University of East Anglia said it was “very worrying” that cases had continued to increase during the national lockdown and said a rise from Tier 2 must now be considered. I have just emailed the bearded professor asking him for his scientific reasoning that if lockdowns cause an increase in cases, how can further restrictions decrease them. Proper scientific evidence please, not save the NHS voodoo!

292630 ▶▶ richard riewer, replying to Iansn, #286 of 1754 🔗

Ask him how many shares he has in pharmaceutical companies.

291031 arfurmo, replying to arfurmo, 3, #287 of 1754 🔗

Telegraph letter today
SIR – I respect Alexandra Seear’s right not to carry a vaccination passport ( Letters, December 6 ) but I also want the right not to find myself next to somebody at a theatre, on public transport or in shops who carries a higher risk of infecting me with a killer disease.
I hope that businesses and establishments will be able to exercise their right to refuse entry to anybody who decides to take that risk.
Chris North
Wellingborough, Northamptonshire

291037 ▶▶ jb12, replying to arfurmo, 14, #288 of 1754 🔗

How about Chris just stays out of public places. We can all be satisfied.

291044 ▶▶ Chloe, replying to arfurmo, 8, #289 of 1754 🔗

But isn’t it true that the vaccine manufacturer isn’t claiming that it stops the spread of Covid? I.e. you could take the jab and still pass it on to Chris North from Wellingborough?

291127 ▶▶▶ thinkaboutit, replying to Chloe, 9, #290 of 1754 🔗

True. And if venues banned non- vaccinated people that could go to court. The venue would have to show the evidence that unvaccinated people spread disease and the vaccinated don’t. Tricky.

291052 ▶▶ Biker, replying to arfurmo, 21, #291 of 1754 🔗

Chris North is a total fucking wanker. The very idea that he thinks he shouldn’t be infected by a virus is insane. This cunt shouldn’t drive or use public transport then because his right to go about burning fossil fuels into my lungs causing me lung cancer should be stopped. These people are so fucking stupid that it makes my blood boil

291068 ▶▶▶ NickR, replying to Biker, 1, #292 of 1754 🔗

Should I know who Chris North is?

291091 ▶▶▶▶ Cecil B, replying to NickR, 6, #293 of 1754 🔗

Yes he’s famous, he had a letter published in a newspaper

291126 ▶▶▶▶ Biker, replying to NickR, 12, #294 of 1754 🔗

I doubt even his mother gives a fuck who he is. Sounds like a snivelling fucking weasel to me

291921 ▶▶▶▶▶ RichardJames, replying to Biker, 2, #295 of 1754 🔗

Biker, for the first time ever, your post was in error. If you had been on YouTube for long enough you would know that the correct phrase (of which I am certain you would approve) is “shitweasel”.

Never mind, I liked your post anyway, and I am sure you will make up for it when referring to similar people in future.

292054 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ David Grimbleby, replying to RichardJames, #296 of 1754 🔗

This is dangerously close to Catweazle, who was brilliant, him and touchwood needed now..

291088 ▶▶ Cecil B, replying to arfurmo, 2, #297 of 1754 🔗

If I can find him I’m going to snog him (including tongues)

291104 ▶▶ kh1485, replying to arfurmo, 5, #298 of 1754 🔗

Can’t see him visiting my shop then 😉

291174 ▶▶▶ stefarm, replying to kh1485, 3, #299 of 1754 🔗

No snogging allowed?

291240 ▶▶▶▶ kh1485, replying to stefarm, 2, #300 of 1754 🔗

You can do anything you like, other than squirt the evil gloop!

291697 ▶▶▶▶▶ stefarm, replying to kh1485, 3, #301 of 1754 🔗

That’s the happy ending

291153 ▶▶ Basileus, replying to arfurmo, 8, #302 of 1754 🔗

‘The limit of my freedom is not determined by the extent of your fear’.

291187 ▶▶ karenovirus, replying to arfurmo, 6, #303 of 1754 🔗

Hi Chris, if it was a proper vaccine it wouldn’t be a problem since it would make you immune but it isn’t and neither will you be, ain’t life a bitch.

291234 ▶▶ Silke David, replying to arfurmo, 2, #304 of 1754 🔗

Maybe he would be satisfied if theatres etc introduce different seating areas? Apartheid here we come…

291243 ▶▶ The Filthy Engineer, replying to arfurmo, 10, #305 of 1754 🔗

How about Chris just fucks off and hides under the duvet while the rest of us try and get on with our lives?

Killer disease my arse: I personally know four people that have had it, all recovered and none went near a hospital.

291034 robert hales, 7, #306 of 1754 🔗

The Daily Mail has it’s death stats for Sweden wrong. Worldometers.info shows deaths peaking there at 51 (7 day moving average) on 24 November, falling to 13 on 5th December. The curve is falling consistently since late November.

291043 Cheshire Andy, replying to Cheshire Andy, 7, #307 of 1754 🔗

Catholic Priest dies after receiving Moderna Vaccine. No Autopsy will be performed. https://christiansfortruth.com/catholic-priest-dies-after-receiving-modernas-covid-vaccine-that-utilizes-aborted-fetal-tissue . Says it all really.

291047 ▶▶ Cecil B, replying to Cheshire Andy, 2, #308 of 1754 🔗

Me, I much prefer the Olderna Vaccine

291711 ▶▶▶ Chris John, replying to Cecil B, #309 of 1754 🔗

Nietzsche.
Sorry , meant niche

291910 ▶▶ RichardJames, replying to Cheshire Andy, #310 of 1754 🔗

Karma; oh sorry, mixing up the religions, there. God is not mocked.

291046 Dan L, replying to Dan L, 2, #311 of 1754 🔗

Does anyone know anything about the York track and trace. I’ve been trying to persuade my Labour MP over to our side but he is currently sticking to Labour party line of doing what the government is doing but more so and somehow better. He was stating that York’s track and trace system has led to a drop in cases. I argued that they had the “second” wave earlier than other places and the local population is now becoming immune regardless of track and trace. I pointed out too that many other Northern cities now show a similar reduction in cases.

This https://www.york.gov.uk/news/article/366/york-launches-local-contact-tracing-system suggests it is simply a kind of local counselling service on top of the standard track and trace. So I can’t really see how it could make any difference apart from giving the people contacted more phone calls to answer.

291270 ▶▶ Two-Six, replying to Dan L, 3, #312 of 1754 🔗

Tracking n tracing has been devolved to local councils if the national T&T cannot contact “contacts” then the local councils take over tryig to contact the contacts. The theory is that people will answer the phone if they get called by their local council’s switchboard number.
Bastards

291648 ▶▶▶ Dan L, replying to Two-Six, #313 of 1754 🔗

Cunning I’m surprised they didn’t think localising track and trace earlier. Where cases are going down you can claim track and trace success and where they are rising it’s because they aren’t doing it properly in that particular area and they should learn from the “good” areas. My (nice but dim) MP has fallen for it for sure.

291782 ▶▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Dan L, 1, #314 of 1754 🔗

At the onset, councils pointed out that they already had trained teams and that people would be more likely to answer a local code number. HMG had to line its friends’ pockets before that could be allowed.

291051 theanalyst, replying to theanalyst, 11, #315 of 1754 🔗

University of Cambridge testing results – over 9,600 students tested 29th Nov to 6th Dec – zero confirmed positive cases.

https://www.cam.ac.uk/sites/www.cam.ac.uk/files/documents/pooled_testing_report_30nov-6dec.pdf

291054 ▶▶ mjr, replying to theanalyst, 5, #316 of 1754 🔗

so it’s still a serious pandemic then !!!

291164 ▶▶▶ arfurmo, replying to mjr, 2, #317 of 1754 🔗

Nah -it will be proof that muzzles work.

291194 ▶▶ karenovirus, replying to theanalyst, 6, #318 of 1754 🔗

Doing what students do from the start of term despite the security nazis. Total immunity within a month.

291057 Andrew K, 4, #319 of 1754 🔗

This was posted yesterday, well worth a listen if a little too long, anyway at the end somebody asked how we can get out of this mess, the speaker replied we can’t all we can rely on now is god. Oh BOY we are FU***D

https://medicalkidnap.com/2020/11/30/covid-vaccines-biological-weapons-of-mass-destruction-says-wyoming-medical-doctor-and-manager-for-wyomings-state-public-health-department/

291059 NickR, 15, #320 of 1754 🔗

Here’s a screen shot of excess all cause mortality for the 4 home nations.
It always surprises me that so many people think that lots more people are dying than normal, they aren’t! The same number of people are dying as normal, they’re on average the same age as normal the only significant difference is that the State has privatised much of death with loads more just slipping away at home rather than bothering the NHS.

291061 Cecil B, replying to Cecil B, 12, #321 of 1754 🔗

I am not allowed to

Go into a pub
Fly abroad on holiday
Go into a shop
Use public transport
Go to a restaurant
Visit a cinema
Go to a football match

As all of the above directly or indirectly raise taxes I am more than pleased to comply

Here’s a few more I won’t be doing

Pay my poll tax
Owning a car
Pay income tax
Paying any fines imposed

Lets see who blinks first

291124 ▶▶ Biker, replying to Cecil B, 25, #322 of 1754 🔗

the worst thing of all and it never gets mentioned is we’re not allowed in each others houses. The media never say up here in Scotland but we’re now 9 months into not being allowed to go into others homes. Obviously most people ignore this bullshit but that is my number one concern. They are keeping everyone separate so’s not to question their fascism. I bought my fucking house, not the government and i’ll decided who comes in out out.

291168 ▶▶▶ stefarm, replying to Biker, 5, #323 of 1754 🔗

Correct!

291203 ▶▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Biker, 2, #324 of 1754 🔗

Nobody comes into my flat because I like it that way, the other residents have friends and family visiting more than usual especially those prevented from working or attending organized social events.

291209 ▶▶▶ Tom in Scotland, replying to Biker, 4, #325 of 1754 🔗

I agree – it’s outrageous. For the most part, it’s not enforceable and I ignore it, but some people will have nasty neighbours who might snitch on them (though I doubt that police would bother unless the gathering is noisy). Still, the law should not apply to things like this at all.

291063 Mark, replying to Mark, 8, #326 of 1754 🔗

The interview of Toby Young highlighted above, alongside yesterday’s piece by Peter Hitchens on TalkRadio, make an excellent pair of recent interviews which together describe and go some way to explaining the current state of our society and arguably our entire culture. Although these issues predate (and will most likely post-date) the coronapanic itself, I don’t by any means think it’s a coincidence that these two men have been two of the highest profile and most effective voices of resistance to the conformist stampede to panic over this virus.

Peter Hitchens, having been a student Trotskyist and moved to conservatism as he matured (the traditional path of human development – “if you aren’t a liberal/socialist by the time you are twenty years old you have no heart, and if you are still one when you are thirty you have no head”) has an unusually clear grasp of the path of politics in this country over the past half century, and of its prior context. On his weekly piece with Mike Graham yesterday he summarised some of the key issues that he has been writing about for years, that are at the root of our ongoing political and cultural collapse. The old communist loyalties of the key members of the Blair regime and of the long marchers who now control our key institutions, the harm they have done and continue to do, and the power they now wield in a country that relied on those institutions and their officeholders for almost all of its protections against tyranny:

Peter Hitchens: Belief in the ‘Covid system’ has ‘taken on shape of semi-religious cult’

And Toby Young knows better than perhaps any other commentator the issues surrounding the “marshmallow repression” described by Hitchens, because he has been there and been targeted and because he runs an organisation devoted to standing up for the victims.

Toby Young Unlocked

Of course, some of those most in need of understanding the points made here are perhaps the least likely to do so – those on the Corbyn left, who are deluded into believing that Blairism is somehow “right wing” (at root, this is because they have a grossly limited grasp of fundamental politics, believing that economics is all, whereas in reality it is a rather trivial part of what it means to be right or left, or radical or conservative). That failure of comprehension, of course, is why they constantly lose in their internal leftist schisms to the real revolutionaries, as Corbyn and his lot were tragically outmanoeuvred yet again by the Blairites over the past five years, because they naively refrained from purging them when they might have had the chance. They think that because big business is part of the revolution, it can’t be left-wing, but that mistakes means for ends. In fact corporate wealth and power has played a huge part in driving this revolution.

The radical, revolutionary basis for these events is the reason for many of the most noxious aspects of our modern societies: the outright hatred of dissent, the collective self-hatred that manifests in fanatic hostility to our history and traditions, on race and on religion, and also in a fanatic insistence that we have “ruined the planet” with all the drive for radicalism that goes with climate alarmism, and the splintering into aggressive self-centred identitarianism paired with administrative collectivism, the absurd self-destructive fantasies of self-realisation based upon sexual behaviour and “gender identity”.

Of course, this British experience is just the particular manifestation in this country of something that is playing out across the US sphere. It’s not called “eurocommunism” for nothing, and it has occurred in particular but overall similar style in the US as well.

291076 ▶▶ Waldorf, replying to Mark, 1, #327 of 1754 🔗

Nope, there was nothing left-wing about Blair, especially in joining the Yanks on the accursed Iraq adventure.

291081 ▶▶▶ Mark, replying to Waldorf, 7, #328 of 1754 🔗

There’s nothing about military adventurism that is inconsistent with being leftist. In truth, Blair’s collaboration with Bush’s war crime was more about opportunism and power than it was principle of any kind.

291218 ▶▶▶▶ Waldorf, replying to Mark, 2, #329 of 1754 🔗

Alongside a right-wing American regime? Unless that cretin Dubya was a crypto-Communist. Most people vocally against the war were left-wing, as I recall. I remember that period very well.

291300 ▶▶▶▶▶ Mark, replying to Waldorf, #330 of 1754 🔗

That’s the point of opportunism. It doesn’t care who it uses or collaborates with. Just because Blair was fundamentally revolutionary and leftist doesn’t mean he was a good or noble person – he wasn’t either of those.

I remember that period very well, as well. There have been two issues in my lifetime where my country’s government has gone absolutely beyond the pale in its criminal, self-destructive dishonesty – the Iraq War and the coronapanic. Perhaps three if you include Libya.

I was very active in opposing the former, even going on my one and only protest march (conservatives don’t do protest marches generally – the absence of any real result rather confirmed me in that view). At the time there was plenty of opposition on the right just as there was plenty of support on the left, though the “Conservative” Party hierarchy was, as usual, as sold out as that of the Labour Party.

The left was bought by fearmongering and the pretence of principle, which most of them either persuaded themselves to believe or pretended to believe out of a desire not to undermine one of their own in power, in dressing the war up as motivated by “internationalist” collective defence, and even after it was no longer possible to pretend that it had not been a war of aggression justified by lies, most of the Labour Party continued to support Blair, and the vast majority turned out to support him – a proven war criminal of the worst kind (the crime of aggression) – at the next election, to be our Prime Minister again.

291089 ▶▶ Ed Phillips, replying to Mark, 9, #331 of 1754 🔗

Excellently stated. Hitchens has been saying for years that this country is dead. These last few months are proof.

291096 ▶▶▶ Mark, replying to Ed Phillips, 7, #332 of 1754 🔗

Not dead yet, I think, but badly poisoned and deeply unwell.

291100 ▶▶▶▶ Ed Phillips, replying to Mark, 5, #333 of 1754 🔗

I’ve gone full Hitchens! I thought the same as you but this has opened my eyes to the truth.

291211 ▶▶▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Mark, 2, #334 of 1754 🔗

When a large whale comes onto a beach to die it takes the scavengers a year to clear the carcase, so far they’ve had 9 months.

291064 Ewan Duffy, 28, #335 of 1754 🔗

“Meanwhile, if a friend attempts a hug, the ‘pandemic politeness’ guidelines suggest saying: “I so want to hug you! But I guess we have to wait until it’s safe. I don’t want to risk harming you or anyone else you are in contact with. I’m giving you a virtual hug.””

Any such friend using that line on me would cease to be a friend immediately.

291065 FenTyger, replying to FenTyger, 5, #336 of 1754 🔗

Telegraph : Live music loophole gets pubs round meal restrictions https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2020/12/07/pubs-encouraging-drinkers-purchase-tickets-live-music-nights/

Dylan again: They all play on the penny whistle, you can hear them blow
If you lean your head out far enough from Desolation Row

291082 ▶▶ Cecil B, replying to FenTyger, 2, #337 of 1754 🔗

And the riot squad they’re restless, they need somewhere to go
As Lady and I look out tonight, from Desolation Row

291107 ▶▶▶ TJN, replying to Cecil B, #338 of 1754 🔗
291069 Sue, 2, #339 of 1754 🔗

Interesting article from Mark Pickles – not heard of him before but challenges the numbers and is rather sceptical

https://markpickles.wordpress.com/2020/12/07/covid-19-20-21/?fbclid=IwAR2K9MaHo67VKFLDYYxIDq8KazlJ5YVe8MUw3UUe_SHZ56OlWF3O7BethD4

291071 Reamonn, 3, #340 of 1754 🔗

DOUBLE IMMUNITY I just realised that the Covid19 Vaccinations are “Two In One”
Immunity Against Covid19
Immunity Against Prosecution.

Any Company that can’t stand independently over its own Product is very worrying..
Great Scientific Achievement without Liability.

Reamonn

291077 ▶▶ Steve Hayes, replying to Mark, 10, #342 of 1754 🔗

I watched it live and I think he was attempting to cover up/disguise a laugh response.

291134 ▶▶▶ anon, replying to Steve Hayes, 7, #343 of 1754 🔗

duper’s delight boo hoo sniffle sniffle

what a cunt

291079 ▶▶ Iansn, replying to Mark, 12, #344 of 1754 🔗

fucking virtue signalling twat

291115 ▶▶ Leemc23, replying to Mark, 3, #345 of 1754 🔗

What a scum bag. Mind you, if it hadn’t been completely made up this might have saved his step mums ex stepfather for a week or two longer. So maybe he’s justified for looking a complete Cnut ?

291198 ▶▶▶ FenTyger, replying to Leemc23, 3, #346 of 1754 🔗

Is Cnut A plural Princess?

291386 ▶▶▶▶ John P, replying to FenTyger, #347 of 1754 🔗

Cnuts

291222 ▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Mark, 2, #348 of 1754 🔗

Perhaps Margaret will be buried in Westminster Hall.

291676 ▶▶ Fiona Walker, replying to Mark, 2, #349 of 1754 🔗

He’s crying with relief because he thinks that his bacon has now been saved. Oh no, we won’t forget.

292078 ▶▶ David Grimbleby, replying to Mark, #350 of 1754 🔗

Why doesn’t this fucker crawl away and die .

291075 Steve Hayes, replying to Steve Hayes, 6, #351 of 1754 🔗

I was watching Sky News this morning. A professor (whose name escapes me) admitted boasted that they had developed the Pfizer vaccine without having cultured the virus; they had instead just read the genetic code.

291797 ▶▶ JohnB, replying to Steve Hayes, #352 of 1754 🔗

… the alleged genetic code.

291078 Fingerache Philip., replying to Fingerache Philip., 7, #353 of 1754 🔗

It’s official: The jab does bring the dead back to life!!!
William Shakespeare (honest!) is the second person to have the Covid vaccine.

291084 ▶▶ Achilles, replying to Fingerache Philip., 5, #354 of 1754 🔗

By the pricking of my thumbs, Something wicked this way comes.”

291131 ▶▶ IanE, replying to Fingerache Philip., #355 of 1754 🔗

Well, the second person outside testing.

292635 ▶▶ richard riewer, replying to Fingerache Philip., #356 of 1754 🔗

Looking forward to his next play.

291083 mjr, replying to mjr, 20, #357 of 1754 🔗

just caught up with the late posts from last night. Totally shocked by this about Bob our favourite sceptic cartoonist so repeating it for the rest of you who also missed it

Bob Moran
@bobscartoons
You can vote for the best political cartoon of 2020 here.
I was denied the opportunity to participate by the event’s organisers. I presume this is because of my stance on current events.
Good luck to all the other cartoonists.
https://twitter.com/bobscartoons/status/1336076432984961028

291102 ▶▶ thinkaboutit, replying to mjr, 8, #358 of 1754 🔗

That is outrageous.

291103 ▶▶ calchas, replying to mjr, 14, #359 of 1754 🔗

Censorship, propaganda, policing.

The gloves sre off, as the system goes all out on Operation covid.

291455 ▶▶▶ Edward, replying to calchas, 4, #360 of 1754 🔗

Censorship is completely open and blatant now. And not a word of protest from the academics and luvvies etc – they are part of the problem.

291316 ▶▶ Victoria, replying to mjr, 9, #361 of 1754 🔗

TOBY , this is a case for the Free Speech Union

291095 Leemc23, replying to Leemc23, 18, #362 of 1754 🔗

Just so I am clear. The last lockdown resulted in more cases in London. So the answer is more lockdowns in London. Is that right ?

291106 ▶▶ Mark, replying to Leemc23, 10, #363 of 1754 🔗

Usual shite.

“Cases” falling – lockdown working!

“Cases” rising – more lockdown needed!

292637 ▶▶▶ richard riewer, replying to Mark, #364 of 1754 🔗

Theatre of the Absurd.

291120 ▶▶ Iansn, replying to Leemc23, 8, #365 of 1754 🔗

see my earlier post. I emailed the bearded one directly to ask him how come that if lockdown caused increasing cases, how will more lockdown reduce it. I put it to him that its a natural cycle. And I asked for ‘real scientific evidence’ not saving the NHS who are currently totally under normal load with the nightingale hospital standing empty

291254 ▶▶▶ mjr, replying to Iansn, 6, #366 of 1754 🔗

it goes back to the age old questions
if lockdowns work why do we need another one?
if lockdowns dont work why are we having another one?

291098 calchas, replying to calchas, 8, #367 of 1754 🔗

Who funds WHO?

US 14.67% (before Trump stopped funding)
Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation 9.76%
GAVI Alliance 8.39%
UK 7.79%
Germany 5.68%
UN Office for the Coordination of Humanitarian Affairs (UNOCHA) >5%
World Bank 3.42%
Rotary International 3.3%
European Commission 3.3%
Japan 2.7%
rance 0.5%
India 0.48%
Pakistan 0.36%
China 0.21%

https://www.indiatoday.in/news-analysis/story/who-funds-who-1667273-2020-04-15

The most interesting thing about this list, given the size of its economy relative to the others, is Britain’s outsize contribution to the WHO’s budget.

The UK also contributes over-proportionally to GAVI.

The pharmaceutical companies are absent from the list.

291116 ▶▶ Iansn, replying to calchas, 4, #368 of 1754 🔗

The pharmaceutical companies are absent from the list. Strictly under the table payments only, cash unmarked notes

292639 ▶▶▶ richard riewer, replying to Iansn, #369 of 1754 🔗

Black Market.

291122 ▶▶ vargas99, replying to calchas, 6, #370 of 1754 🔗

And by far the biggest donor to GAVI is…. you guessed it, good ol’ Bill & Melinda

291780 ▶▶ Ben, replying to calchas, 2, #371 of 1754 🔗

The World Health Organisation changed the definition of the word ‘pandemic’ in 2009 after pressure from Pharma companies. This is crucial information and I’m dismayed more people who profess to care about truth and facts are not interested in it

291791 ▶▶ JohnB, replying to calchas, #372 of 1754 🔗

That’s the Rotary Club off my Christmas list ! 🙁

Shame, they usually do a barrel organ at the shopping precinct.

291099 alw, 3, #373 of 1754 🔗

Vaccines…from Mike Yeadon and another.

bmj.com/content/365/bmj.l2268/rr-0 …Please read & ask yourself are you content with a system intended to detect new ‘unwanted effects of a vaccine’ explicitly excludes these? Not my opinion, but of a medical doctor know understands past issues & their detection. (Source: https://threader.app/thread/1335966428881629191 )

https://www.forbes.com/sites/williamhaseltine/2020/09/23/covid-19-vaccine-protocols-reveal-that-trials-are-designed-to-succeed/?sh=31d5f7785247

291101 Mr Bee, replying to Mr Bee, 14, #374 of 1754 🔗

As expected the MSM has gone into overdrive at the news that a nearly 91 year old lady (guinea pig) is the first person to receive the experimental vaccine. I sincerely hope that she suffers no harm.

291111 ▶▶ p02099003, replying to Mr Bee, 16, #375 of 1754 🔗

From the Daily Mail website
At 6.30am, wearing a bright blue ‘Merry Christmas’ T-shirt, Mrs Keenan, known as ‘Maggie’ to friends and family, could be seen smiling under her mask as the nurse May Parsons at University Hospital Coventry & Warwickshire injected her with the life-saving medicine .” My emphasis, life saving?

291229 ▶▶▶ FenTyger, replying to p02099003, 4, #376 of 1754 🔗

Dylan again:-
Now, his nurse, some local loser
She’s in charge of the cyanide hole
And she also keeps the cards that read
“Have mercy on his soul”

291251 ▶▶▶ mjr, replying to p02099003, 3, #377 of 1754 🔗

“known as Maggie to friends and family” what? you mean they dont all call her Mrs Keenan. ffs its her christian name. wtf are they going to call her?
journalists are such ignorant numpties

292344 ▶▶▶ Matt The Cat, replying to p02099003, #378 of 1754 🔗

I’ll be very surprised if Maggie sees out the winter of 2021.

Why are the elderly at the front of the queue? “Plausible deniability”, that’s why.

291135 ▶▶ Biker, replying to Mr Bee, 15, #379 of 1754 🔗

When i’m 91 i won’t be taking their fucking vaccine, just because you’re old don’t mean shit. Probably been a dumb shit her whole 91 years. Sorry if this upsets anyone but we’re talking about the total destruction of our lives here and if your 19 or 91 and you go along with it then fuck you.

291156 ▶▶ stefarm, replying to Mr Bee, 5, #380 of 1754 🔗

I wouldn’t want my 91 year old mum taking a vaccine against her will and on TV. Over my dead body! Or the nurses dead body.

291683 ▶▶▶ Fiona Walker, replying to stefarm, 4, #381 of 1754 🔗

My mum (RIP sadly) had a wicked sense of humour. If she had been given the vaccine live on TV I’m sure she would have hammed it up and faked an eye rolling gurn before dramatically throwing herself to the floor. If only!

291190 ▶▶ tonyspurs, replying to Mr Bee, 5, #382 of 1754 🔗

If this virus is so deadly and if these vaccines are so good why aren’t the Government giving priority to the 18-45yr age groups so the country can get back to work and restart the economy ? My belief is because they know there wouldn’t be the uptake they need to satisfy their egos

291309 ▶▶▶ fran, replying to tonyspurs, 2, #383 of 1754 🔗

I have been thinking on those lines myself – give it to younger people who want to get back to ‘real normal’ – pubs, cinema, live music events, sports spectators, holidays, flying, going to church etc; – which gets those businesses working at last. I’m 73, I don’t have any much desire to do any of those activities – last time I went to the cinema must have been 15 years ago.

Obviously a great number of older people will want to get out and participate in activities like these but if I am contacted by NHS and asked to choose a date for my jab, I will say ‘no thanks – give my dose to a younger person or a key worker’.

291244 ▶▶ mjr, replying to Mr Bee, 3, #384 of 1754 🔗

i know it is cynical of me …. but i would like her to suffer some vaccine related illness.. or indeed catch covid (even though we all know how unlikely this is). just to spoil the MSM and wancocks euphoria

291313 ▶▶ Mayo, replying to Mr Bee, -9, #385 of 1754 🔗

As expected the MSM has gone into overdrive at the news that a nearly 91 year old lady…

Which suggests that there is a lot of confidence in this vaccine, The media & government are not stupid. They are not likely to go to this much trouble to drum up publicity if it’s likely to leave them with egg on their faces at a later date.

I suggest that the LS readers who are expecting this to fail are going to be disappointed. The technology used in the Pfizer vaccine has been in development for 15 years. It’s ridiculous to think that the potential adverse effects haven’t been fully considered.

291398 ▶▶▶ Kate, replying to Mayo, 4, #386 of 1754 🔗

The point of the above link to the BMJ article “The New WHO casualty assessment algorithm needs revision to restore public trust” is precisely that such adverse events following vaccination will be excluded from consideration.

In the new causality assessment, only reactions that have previously been acknowledged in epidemiological studies to be caused by the vaccine, are classified as a vaccine-product–related-reactions. Reactions observed for the first time during post-marketing surveillance (Phase 4 clinical trial) are not considered as ‘consistent with causal association with vaccine’. All new serious adverse reactions are labelled as coincidental events ‘inconsistent with causal association,’ or ‘unclassifiable’ and the association with vaccine is not acknowledged. (5). It has, in effect, made phase 4 trials redundant

In other words, if your illness/reaction/ death did not occur to a volunteer in the early phase trials prior to the authorisation of the vaccine for use on the unsuspecting public, then it is by definition not due to the vaccine.
Clever, eh?
This means that however many of the public now go on to develop previously unrecognised illnesses due to the vaccine, they are not due to the vaccine.

No compensation, no need to halt the population wide vaccine programme, no liability.

291785 ▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to Mayo, 2, #387 of 1754 🔗

Back on the week shift ? Oh goody.

You have proof this old woman was given the Pfizer jab ?

291105 swedenborg, 7, #388 of 1754 🔗

https://www.ssi.dk/aktuelt/nyheder/2020/sars-cov-2-igen-pavist-i-minkfarm-som-var-fritestet-for-covid-19

https://dkvet.dk/raadgivning/raadgivningssvar/covid-19-i-mink/Vurdering_af_PCR_positive_resultater_for_Covid-19_i_mink_p__tidligere_fritestet_farm_18-11-2020.pdf

There was one mink farm in Denmark where there was no mass slaughter. The infection in the mink farm seemed to have subsided after a brief outbreak in Aug with 6 of 24 PCR tests of minks were positive. They then tested 30th Sept 300 minks with PCR with all negative. They had already tested with blood samples serology 60 minks in August with antibodies pos immunity and further 60 with serology with immunity in the beginning of Oct. The farm was now allowed to work as normally with monitoring of naturally dead minks examined. The vets decided that the repeat 300 neg PCR tests and pos serology indicated that the outbreak was over.
But in the beginning of Nov one of the routinely sent in natural dead mink came back as C-19 pos.A new test of 35 minks found 26 PCR pos and high viral load.30 of them were also serology pos.
This was the same strain as in August. It had returned again in the so called cleared mink farm.
From the vet expert report:

“The virus with a spike-mutation (A22920; Y453F), spike deletion in the N-terminal domain(H69/V70del), together with two deletions in ORF1a. In the new sequencies there are no further changes in the amino acid in the spike protein but there are further 5-7 mutations distributed over the genom. Of these, there are two amino acid changes which was seen on the farm in Aug, so it is a possible link between the virus in Aug and Nov.”

This time the minks did not reveal the same mild symptoms as before in Aug. Either this strain was circulating undetected under selective pressure or the strain was reintroduced from outside again but less likely as it seems so similar to the Aug strain which was different from the other mink clusters. Bad news.

Why this fuss about the minks? This strain is the one which might spell trouble for the vaccine. Just shows how difficult it is to eradicate from the nature this virus which seems to pop back quickly and can potentially cross over to humans again. Awfully difficult the zero C-19 policy.


291108 Bart Simpson, replying to Bart Simpson, 40, #389 of 1754 🔗

Seen censorship on Arsebook first hand – a friend posted a photo of thalidomide victims together with a brief history of the drug, what happened and a plea to think and be careful. I managed to see the post but there was something below that said that this was “fact checked” and the claim that the Covid vaccine was not rushed like thalidomide.

It made me angry and I liked the post as a gesture of support for her.

On a different note, as some of you might remember I have been posting here my long running saga of redundancies at work, I will have my individual consultation this afternoon so please wish me luck.

291119 ▶▶ Sarigan, replying to Bart Simpson, 14, #390 of 1754 🔗

Best of luck with the consultation Bart. 🤞

291136 ▶▶▶ kh1485, replying to Sarigan, 7, #391 of 1754 🔗

Ditto. Hope all turns out well, Bart.

291132 ▶▶ Margaret, replying to Bart Simpson, 9, #392 of 1754 🔗

Last week, several of my posts btl, in my local paper, were disabled. They contained facts and figures which could be easily verified- maybe on one, the word “swine-flu” triggered ( or whatever it does) off the algorithm.
I wrote to the paper to complain and had an e-mail back today, saying that it is being investigated for me. Progress!

Good luck this afternoon Bart. My eldest son was amongst those made redundant by his firm in August. He spent a few weeks in schools, doing cover supervising. while he was looking for another job, which he really enjoyed. He’s been lucky and found a new job which suits him far better than his previous job. Never give up hope!

291183 ▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to Margaret, 5, #393 of 1754 🔗

Thanks to you, Sarigan & kh!!!

We won’t know for sure until January who will get the chop. I saw this coming months ago when others were still in denial and I’ve reached the point now where what will be will be.

291461 ▶▶ Edward, replying to Bart Simpson, 6, #394 of 1754 🔗

Best wishes for your consultation, Bart.
Fact checking is the new censorship.

291123 Stuart, replying to Stuart, 8, #395 of 1754 🔗

So we have our Victim Zero.

291363 ▶▶ Crystal Decanter, replying to Stuart, 3, #396 of 1754 🔗

No way they gave her the vaxx. They found someone who had survived the big scary cold and gave her a saline

291125 Chloe, replying to Chloe, 9, #397 of 1754 🔗

Went out for dinner with two friends in tier 2 last week, mid and late twenties wanting a family one day. Both of them reasonably anti-lockdown and fairly blasé about the rules. Got onto the conversation of vaccines and they were both adamant that they were taking it because “they didn’t want to pass it onto to anyone and it meant they could get back to normal”. I mentioned the fact that the vaccine didn’t stop transmission, and they were surprised, but ultimately didn’t care. They were more worried about going on holiday etc. and getting back to normality. I’m torn because I completely understand their views, but I’m also sad that this is how the general populace will view the vaccine, despite the fact that there will be no “going back to normal” – it’ll still be masks, social distancing and other regulations for years to come.

291144 ▶▶ FlynnQuill, replying to Chloe, 18, #398 of 1754 🔗

Yip, plenty of people have believed the carrot of the vaccine. Nothing will change, only large scale civil unrest and the overthrow of the government will put an end to this. This is only the start I’m afraid.

Can’t wait to see the faces (only half though) of people who have welcomed the vaccine with open arms, only to find out they have been duped once again.

291170 ▶▶▶ KBuchanan, replying to FlynnQuill, 5, #399 of 1754 🔗

They’ll feel like the students did when Clegg promised “no tuition fees” then raised them.

291191 ▶▶▶ Buck Foris, replying to FlynnQuill, 6, #400 of 1754 🔗

They won’t have the sense to realise they’ve been duped, they’ll just be duped into believing that the ‘vaccine hesitant’ are responsible for ruining their lives.

291204 ▶▶▶ Sam Vimes, replying to FlynnQuill, 3, #401 of 1754 🔗

Sadly, FQ, they will decide that it’s worse than we thought, even a vaccine doesn’t work. Then they will ask for more lockdown.

291151 ▶▶ stefarm, replying to Chloe, 5, #402 of 1754 🔗

They might want to rethink starting a family one day. Big decision, 2 weeks in the Algarve or a wonderful family.

291154 ▶▶ Buck Foris, replying to Chloe, 6, #403 of 1754 🔗

Get the jab and get your life back. Typical positive reinforcement training. It seems the herd are receptive. Good mammals, have a belly rub from Uncle Bojo.

291206 ▶▶▶ Sam Vimes, replying to Buck Foris, 4, #404 of 1754 🔗

Let’s get tested jabbed and get back to what we love…

291184 ▶▶ Thomas_E, replying to Chloe, 15, #405 of 1754 🔗

Well, the sad reality is that this is the mindset of most people., including my wife and her entire family. I have given up on trying to change their mind, but I have put my foot down on my 6 year old daughter getting a vaccine. It’s something we do not talk about anymore because it turns into a massive shouting match every time. My wife blames my CPTSD for this and thinks I’m being irrational. My policy now is if people want to take the vaccine, let them , if they want to wear mask everywhere, let them. I’m done trying to change anyone’s mind, people who do not want to be awake do not deserved to be . end off,. I suggest the same with your friends, keep them as your friends and enjoy their company but everybody who is an adult needs to male their own decisions. You can be there to support them but they need to live their own life’s.

291213 ▶▶▶ Sam Vimes, replying to Thomas_E, 6, #406 of 1754 🔗

Agree, Thomas. We’ve had a thing for centuries, where people make them selves look a dick because lots of other people are doing it – it’s called ‘fashion’. But legal enforcement is a whole other ball game.

291431 ▶▶▶ JHuntz, replying to Thomas_E, 1, #407 of 1754 🔗

Couldn’t agree more Thomas and you are absolutely on the money regards your 6 year old daughter. If only we had more strong father figures like yourself. I do feel obligated if it’s a young woman to tell them about the risk of infertility. Other than that knock yourself out to the rest of them.

291515 ▶▶▶ Andrew K, replying to Thomas_E, 3, #408 of 1754 🔗

Thomas, disagree you need to keep fighting as these brainwashed people will take the rest of us down. I’ve gone past the stage of saying this doesn’t make sense anymore to asking what are the end goals. All the answers I find are scary I do not want to go there nor do you and your family. Resist at every level the only way out of this is to unite.

291129 Ed Phillips, replying to Ed Phillips, 7, #410 of 1754 🔗

Bad day today.

This is a religion that cannot tolerate non-conformists.

Help cheer me up, LS!

291142 ▶▶ Biker, replying to Ed Phillips, 3, #411 of 1754 🔗

Do you think Freddie Mercury regrets playing Live Aid?

291175 ▶▶ Buck Foris, replying to Ed Phillips, 7, #412 of 1754 🔗

New Tier 3 Regulations from New Year’s Eve:

Stay at home unless you have a large yacht, a second home in the country or a private jet.

292094 ▶▶▶ David Grimbleby, replying to Buck Foris, #413 of 1754 🔗

See the post on covid hypocrites, so it goes as ever..

292641 ▶▶▶ richard riewer, replying to Buck Foris, #414 of 1754 🔗

Or you are Kay Burley on her 60th birthday.

292092 ▶▶ David Grimbleby, replying to Ed Phillips, 1, #415 of 1754 🔗

One thing, thank God if you so believe for this site, the personal anecdotes and experience , the analysis of the data, hello Mr. Pinch and tough common sense and humour is worth it’s weight in gold, if that is the currency, cheers!

291133 Achilles, replying to Achilles, 24, #416 of 1754 🔗

My daughter was explaining to me yesterday how her and her friends mostly just pretend to use the hand-sanitiser at school. They also used to take their masks off on the bus until someone snitched on them. Anyway it’s good to see not all kids have been brainwashed in to fear and it’s also probably good that they get their hands a bit dirty so they can build up their immune system for fighting Covid 50 when they’re 60 years old. Common sense innit?

291155 ▶▶ Cecil B, replying to Achilles, #417 of 1754 🔗

Neoptolemus was Achilles ‘ only child

Despite rumors of his homosexual tendencies, Achilles did have a child —a son , born from a brief affair during the Trojan War

291245 ▶▶▶ Achilles, replying to Cecil B, 2, #418 of 1754 🔗

Ah, you’re getting me confused with my cousin with the same name. My daughter was born from a brief affair during Gladiators. Awooga!

291138 Cecil B, replying to Cecil B, 3, #419 of 1754 🔗

They seek him here
They seek him there
Sir Patrick Vallance
They seek him everywhere

291163 ▶▶ Tom Blackburn, replying to Cecil B, 9, #420 of 1754 🔗

Was on Sky News this morning.

Wanksock was on and I won’t give him credit for much, however he was very clear that there won’t be immunity passports. The cards being dished out are standard appointment reminder cards that can be discarded following the second dose (or sooner if you don’t need it to remember).

It is the media driving this immunity passport lark!

291768 ▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to Tom Blackburn, #421 of 1754 🔗

It is the media driving this immunity passport lark!

and the more timid folk on here, some of whom see it as ‘inevitable’ …

292139 ▶▶▶▶ JanMasarykMunich, replying to JohnB, #422 of 1754 🔗

I do not see them as ‘inevitable’, but there are certainly powerful lobbies pressing for them. And they need to be vigorously opposed.

291843 ▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Tom Blackburn, #423 of 1754 🔗

The media seemed to drive the mockdown lark!

291847 ▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to arfurmo, #425 of 1754 🔗

Considering masks are useless against vaccines, it’s a bit of a reveal.

291230 ▶▶ Steve Martindale, replying to Cecil B, #426 of 1754 🔗

It is like Pinochet’s Chile, he is one of the disappeared, also there used to be a lady around Harries or something, she reminded me of the school nurse and was a bit less mad than some of them, she seems to have gone as well.

291305 ▶▶▶ TheOriginalBlackPudding, replying to Steve Martindale, 3, #427 of 1754 🔗

Jenny Harries seems to have been unpersoned, presumably because she was too nearly sane, and had the audacity to point out problems with Operation Moonshit.

291850 ▶▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to TheOriginalBlackPudding, 1, #428 of 1754 🔗

She told us masks were a bad idea.

291143 reason, replying to reason, #429 of 1754 🔗

Sorry if I am going over old ground but just want to run it past everybody to make sure my thinking is correct.

Putting aside the issues of incorrect definition and false positives the case rate per 100,000 on which so much of the tier division is based is calculated thus;

No.cases in 7 days
Population. x 100,000

Is this correct because if so it seems blatantly obvious that if double the amount of tests were taken in one of two similar areas then the rate would end up double and likely end up in a higher tier.

I cannot believe that the results are not weighted to take into consideration the number of tests carried out.

Am I being thick or is it the brains behind the system?

291149 ▶▶ reason, replying to reason, #430 of 1754 🔗

Whoops, not come out properly! The result of cases divided by population and then multiplied by 100,000.

291152 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to reason, 2, #431 of 1754 🔗

Technically they do consider the positivity rate as well. So the WHO recommends that anything over 5% positivity rate coming out of your PCR Tower of Doom is an epidemic that is out of control.

So with a sprinkling of rabbits foot, eye of newt and virgins blood, we can get that R0 number down and save lives (sorry, not all lives just Covid symptoms that might lead to lives being lost, but not counting other lives due to the destruction of Health care and people’s wellbeing)

291147 Achilles, replying to Achilles, 28, #432 of 1754 🔗

Just saw that hospitals aren’t putting up decorations because Covid. I assume the science is that they can’t be cleaned. Presumably the virus will float up and land on the decorations waiting for it’s moment to jump on some passing victim like a Ninja. Imbeciles.

(PS. I want credit for my restraint in not using the Tinesellitis joke)

291161 ▶▶ Danny, replying to Achilles, 13, #433 of 1754 🔗

Fine. I congratulate you on not using Tinsellitis. Must have taken considerable baubles to pull a cracker like that one….. I’m so sorry.

291609 ▶▶▶ Simon Dutton, replying to Danny, #434 of 1754 🔗

Cecil B has implied that Achilles is a fairy. If so, the top of the tree awaits!

291148 PWL, 12, #435 of 1754 🔗

The old people receiving vaccines today, from NHS staff who refused to have it themselves, are guinea pigs. Let’s face it.

Forget Dangerous Infertility Causing Vaccines, Covid-19 Is Prevented By The Humble Pineapple (Say Researchers)

291157 Bella Donna, replying to Bella Donna, 7, #436 of 1754 🔗

Can you believe Mad Wankok? Blubbering because his gran or was it someone elses gran is to get the vaccine?

291160 ▶▶ Cecil B, replying to Bella Donna, 10, #437 of 1754 🔗

Proof if any were needed that he is a madman

291860 ▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Cecil B, #438 of 1754 🔗

Psychopath!

291182 ▶▶▶ Buck Foris, replying to arfurmo, 5, #440 of 1754 🔗

Our health minister is a crisis actor? Well, that explains a lot.

291239 ▶▶▶ Tom Blackburn, replying to arfurmo, 8, #441 of 1754 🔗

He’s a sociopath. I don’t think it could be any plainer.

291323 ▶▶▶ Jaguarpig, replying to arfurmo, 4, #442 of 1754 🔗

The cunt must die

291611 ▶▶▶▶ Simon Dutton, replying to Jaguarpig, 2, #443 of 1754 🔗

Not a fan, then?

291414 ▶▶▶ Kate, replying to arfurmo, 4, #444 of 1754 🔗

True, it looks like laughing to me too.

291232 ▶▶ TheBluePill, replying to Bella Donna, 4, #445 of 1754 🔗

I’m guessing it’s his wife’s stepdad’s second wife’s foster daughter’s grandmother (or something similar that changes with every interview) again.

292642 ▶▶ richard riewer, replying to Bella Donna, #446 of 1754 🔗

Madcock.

291171 Silke David, 3, #447 of 1754 🔗

That interview with the daughter made me cry.
And then there is the horrible Barclay’s advert how they helped care home residents. Well, all of those do Not seem to have dementia. And most care residents will be in that group. As we saw here, a video chat is not the same as an in person visit!

291178 Old Bill, replying to Old Bill, 65, #448 of 1754 🔗

Dear Doctor,

Re your last letter, thank you for your offer of a covid 19 vaccine.

I realise that with the practice telephone number now permanently redirected to Co-op Funeral Services, and the notice outside your surgery in foot hight letters enjoining everybody to “GO AWAY!”, you must have been overwhelmed during the past year, and thus will not have been aware that throughout this period I have suffered with a chronic and debilitating attack of common sense. In a world beset with rampant self-destructive madness, this has taken a lot out of my body and mind, and I feel that adding the extra strain of an innoculation on top of this will be too much for me and therefore decline your offer.

However I feel that the vaccine should not go to waste, so instead of vaccinating myself, why not use a potato?

Leave it for a week and then PCR test your chips, this will provide several positive tests for which the government will, I am sure, be most grateful and will credit your account with extra social responsibility points which will no doubt prove useful to you in the future. There will of course be a downside, as your vegetable rack and frying pan will need to self-isolate for two weeks.

Yours Sincerely,

Old Bill

291186 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to Old Bill, 5, #449 of 1754 🔗

Ha. Excellent

291189 ▶▶ Winston Smith, replying to Old Bill, 5, #450 of 1754 🔗

That’s made me laugh 😄

291335 ▶▶ anon, replying to Old Bill, #451 of 1754 🔗

good stuf. provided a much needed chuckle 🙂

291651 ▶▶ Mrs issedoff, replying to Old Bill, 1, #453 of 1754 🔗

That is fantastic and gave me a much needed chuckle.

291706 ▶▶ JohnB, replying to Old Bill, 1, #454 of 1754 🔗

Cracker !

291805 ▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to Old Bill, 1, #455 of 1754 🔗

🤣 🤣 🤣

291865 ▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Old Bill, 1, #456 of 1754 🔗

Brilliant!

292430 ▶▶ Iansn, replying to Old Bill, #457 of 1754 🔗

class, mate!

291188 swedenborg, replying to swedenborg, 1, #458 of 1754 🔗

This is from AP hardly a conspiracy source. China lost 2 weeks of the spread in Wuhan due to this corruption.  Richard Horton, Lancet and all China apologist incl.WHO, what do you think of this?

https://apnews.com/article/china-virus-testing-secret-deals-firms-312f4a953e0264a3645219a08c62a0ad

“In the early days in Wuhan, the first city struck by the virus, getting a COVID test was so difficult that residents compared it to winning the lottery.”
The flawed testing system prevented scientists and officials from seeing how fast the virus was spreading — another way China fumbled its early response to the virus
China’s Center for Disease Control and Prevention gave test kit designs and distribution rights exclusively to three then-obscure Shanghai companies with which officials had personal ties, the reporting found. The deals took place within a culture of backdoor connections that quietly flourished in an underfunded public health system, according to the investigation, which was based on interviews with more than 40 doctors, CDC employees, health experts, and industry insiders, as well as hundreds of internal documents, contracts, messages and emails obtained by the AP.”

291202 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to swedenborg, #459 of 1754 🔗

“Things will be different in the middle of a crisis,” said Lesli Ligorner, a Beijing-based attorney specializing in anti-corruption law. “Anything affecting the national interest can be deemed to be of utmost importance for special regulations… I wouldn’t be so quick to rush to judgement.”

This will be the standard excuse for the biggest heist in human history. You’ll see it everywhere in 2021

So softer laws for me, because of the pandemic, harsher laws for thee, because of the pandemic

291253 ▶▶ calchas, replying to swedenborg, 7, #460 of 1754 🔗

I doubt the whole story out of China.

We are sold the story of a virus spreading from around November 20th 2019 at the latest.

There were no restrictions imposed on travel to the rest of China until mid-January, and yet whereas 4500 people died in the Wuhan area ony 7 people died in Shanghai – a metropolis of 24 million people.

This is simply not credible.

I would not be surprised if the supposed covid deaths in Wuhan were pollution-related.

One point which came out of the interview with Rainer Füllmich – the link to which I posted yesterday – is that China does not use the Drosten PCR test

291702 ▶▶ JohnB, replying to swedenborg, #461 of 1754 🔗

This is from AP hardly a conspiracy source.

They’re all ‘conspiracy sources’. As and when it suits.

292435 ▶▶ Iansn, replying to swedenborg, #462 of 1754 🔗

was one of them in China called Han No Cock? Sounds vaguely familiar to me

291195 Moomin, replying to Moomin, 44, #463 of 1754 🔗

People are so brain dead, a neighbours and former work colleague just said to me ‘I presume your one of this anti vaxxers then’ because I told him I turned the testers away when they came on Sunday. I said no but I don’t think we need a vaccine as there’s no pandemic, ‘tell that to the 60000 who have died then’, to which I replied ‘tell that to the hundreds of thousands dying because of lockdowns’. What an idiot! Yet he probably thinks I am! I still can’t reconcile in my head how people actually believe this nonsense. It makes me so angry and sad.

291200 ▶▶ Buck Foris, replying to Moomin, 8, #464 of 1754 🔗

Average IQ is 100. Average. Think about how that would look on a gaussian distribution. Let it really sink in. There’s your answer.

291215 ▶▶▶ Moomin, replying to Buck Foris, 4, #465 of 1754 🔗

Love the moniker by the way!

291315 ▶▶▶▶ Buck Foris, replying to Moomin, #466 of 1754 🔗

😀

291411 ▶▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to Buck Foris, 3, #467 of 1754 🔗

And if you are of average intelligence, half of all people are less intelligent than you.

Which is scary.

And studies also show people grossly over estimate their own intelligence. Maybe why we are so easily manipulated

291698 ▶▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 1, #468 of 1754 🔗

Not for nothing is arrogance held to be so deadly; and why humility is so important.

291210 ▶▶ steve_w, replying to Moomin, 13, #469 of 1754 🔗

even if it was 60,000 that’s just a bad flu season. not worth destroying the country for

291212 ▶▶▶ Moomin, replying to steve_w, 1, #470 of 1754 🔗

Exactly.

291219 ▶▶▶ RickH, replying to steve_w, 3, #471 of 1754 🔗

As sure as we can be with dodgy data, it’s not 60000.

291228 ▶▶▶ Jonathan Palmer, replying to steve_w, 6, #473 of 1754 🔗

On the first day of the Somme the British army lost 60,000 men.

291262 ▶▶▶▶ steve_w, replying to Jonathan Palmer, 9, #474 of 1754 🔗

of bullet wounds or with bullet wounds?

291314 ▶▶▶▶▶ Waldorf, replying to steve_w, 1, #475 of 1754 🔗

Mostly bullet wounds. The actual death toll was about 21,000. The rest were wounded for the most part, with about 500 POWs.

291257 ▶▶▶ Achilles, replying to steve_w, 2, #476 of 1754 🔗

Even if it’s true that’s still only 15% of all the people that have died since Covid came along.

291268 ▶▶▶▶ steve_w, replying to Achilles, 4, #477 of 1754 🔗

and they would have died soon anyway. in care homes, no idea what day it is, being fed by hand, multiple comorbidities

the number of people ‘cut down in their prime’ you can probably count on the fingers of one hand

291289 ▶▶ Victoria, replying to Moomin, 1, #478 of 1754 🔗

Pro choice and making an informed decision

291492 ▶▶ Andrew K, replying to Moomin, 7, #479 of 1754 🔗

Nothing to do with IQ it’s about being brainwashed. SAGE have employed behavioral therapies and it’s working, add in all the fake data and powerful images of the mainstream media and now you see how it all works.

291196 James Hargrave, replying to James Hargrave, 7, #480 of 1754 🔗

So the fish wife in North Britain has a ‘lump in her throat’. Perhaps it’s malignant and she needs help from the NHS….

291226 ▶▶ Banjones, replying to James Hargrave, #481 of 1754 🔗

I don’t think she’d lower her precious self to visit her local NHS hospital. She’s got private health insurance and very probably a room set aside just for her for any time she or her family may need it.

291199 Ewan Duffy, replying to Ewan Duffy, 2, #482 of 1754 🔗

https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/nursing-home-residents-ahead-of-health-staff-in-queue-for-covid-vaccine-39838565.html

Ireland is to copy its neighbour and prioritise the elderly for the “vaccine” over health staff.

291293 ▶▶ Will, replying to Ewan Duffy, 2, #483 of 1754 🔗

Looks like Irish health workers are no more keen on being guinea pigs that those in the UK.

291575 ▶▶ Ben, replying to Ewan Duffy, 3, #484 of 1754 🔗

(Does the ruling class want to get rid of the economically unproductive?) That thought just popped into my head for some reason

291205 James Leary #KBF, replying to James Leary #KBF, 16, #485 of 1754 🔗

My other half met an old school friend yesterday. Her daughter, a Sister in the local mega-hospital was there (yeah – I know). She works in a covid ward. She said they’ve had to draft in extra bods. “That busy?” said MOH. “Not really” she said, “it’s just that they’re almost all clinically obese with Type 2 diabetes, and we need help in turning them all the time because they have difficulty in breathing, even lying down. That or they’re BAME. We still haven’t worked that one out”.

Bear that in mind as your country is being flushed down the toilet.

291220 ▶▶ Buck Foris, replying to James Leary #KBF, 10, #486 of 1754 🔗

I’m encouraged to hear that there are so many obese people with health issues. When we finally slide into the abyss and civil war breaks out they will make excellent sandbags.

291223 ▶▶▶ Lockdown_Lunacy, replying to Buck Foris, 2, #487 of 1754 🔗

LOL.

291227 ▶▶▶ calchas, replying to Buck Foris, 1, #488 of 1754 🔗

Unfortunately, as food supplies become interrupted their utlility as sandbags will quickly diminish.

291241 ▶▶▶▶ Buck Foris, replying to calchas, 2, #489 of 1754 🔗

Perhaps, but that just means we can use their hides as marquees. I know the future may seem bleak now, but focus on all of the opportunities we’ll have to exercise our creativity!

292438 ▶▶▶▶▶ Iansn, replying to Buck Foris, #490 of 1754 🔗

fava beans and chianti?

291246 ▶▶▶ davews, replying to Buck Foris, 2, #491 of 1754 🔗

Happened by chance to tune across the Channel 5 programme Feeders last night. Group of mostly women who get paid to gorge on camera and display their bodies. Crikey, they were fat. Couldn’t bear to watch more than a couple of minutes of it.

291642 ▶▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to davews, #492 of 1754 🔗

Ah, so you were hooked for ‘a couple of minutes’, eh, Dave ? 🙂

291250 ▶▶▶ jb12, replying to Buck Foris, 1, #493 of 1754 🔗

I am happy so that they can see that by ‘fat shaming’ them, we were actually showing them the greatest concern and care.

291260 ▶▶▶▶ Buck Foris, replying to jb12, 1, #494 of 1754 🔗

Exactly. If Darwinism was ‘the Force’, we’d all be Jedi.

291267 ▶▶ Tyneside Tigress, replying to James Leary #KBF, 5, #495 of 1754 🔗

Is that the nurses or the patients?!

292437 ▶▶▶ Iansn, replying to Tyneside Tigress, #496 of 1754 🔗

50/50 from my observations

291208 kf99, replying to kf99, 5, #497 of 1754 🔗

Most predictable headline of the day – SNP ‘fury’ at the Will and Kate visit . Whereas the High-heeled haggis can travel around as she likes. I quite like seeing the royal train getting a rare run out. It’s retro 70’s stock and not at all grand.

291894 ▶▶ arfurmo, replying to kf99, #498 of 1754 🔗

Welsh health guy has got in on the act as well

291216 mattghg, #499 of 1754 🔗

What is the current status of the Back to Normal postcards? The one on their website has filler text in it.

291217 Caramel, 1, #500 of 1754 🔗

Worth reading The Hexagon of Tyranny | (asenseofplacemagazine.com)

The publication is an Australian one and talks about the experience here. They don’t mince words.

291224 Sam Vimes, replying to Sam Vimes, 10, #501 of 1754 🔗

Handy Grammar Tips, #371:
‘Fact checked’ is an expression you will see more and more. It is very similar to ‘Independent’, in that they both mean fuck all.

291329 ▶▶ PoshPanic, replying to Sam Vimes, 2, #502 of 1754 🔗

A bit like the word “Pro” in a lot of sports products

291389 ▶▶▶ mjr, replying to PoshPanic, 4, #503 of 1754 🔗

and “conservative”, “labour” and “liberal” in the names of political parties

291475 ▶▶ Edward, replying to Sam Vimes, 5, #504 of 1754 🔗

No apology for repeating what I said in a previous comment: Fact checking is the new censorship.

292186 ▶▶▶ JanMasarykMunich, replying to Edward, #505 of 1754 🔗

Absolutely. I read a book a while back (written by 2 mainstream academics about post-1989 central-eastern Europe) which contained the sentence: ‘And who could possibly be against fact-checking?’
Me, I thought, and how.

In Germany popular fact-checker Correctiv has lost several legal cases.
I see Candace Owens also got an apology out of one of them recently as well.
You might find this amusing:
https://21stcenturywire.com/2020/10/28/video-meet-the-fact-checkers/

also see (but in German): https://www.achgut.com/artikel/correctiv_und_seine_pappkameraden

291231 richmond, replying to richmond, #506 of 1754 🔗

Prof Steven Pinker withdraws support for Eton teacher after watching ‘tendentious’ video
‘This went well beyond citing science and instead was a polemical defense of masculine virtues’

Well, we can’t have that, can we?

291235 ▶▶ Steve Hayes, replying to richmond, #507 of 1754 🔗

When did virtue become a bad thing?

291247 ▶▶ John P, replying to richmond, #508 of 1754 🔗

I would tend to agree with you. Have you seen the video?

291276 ▶▶▶ richmond, replying to John P, 2, #509 of 1754 🔗

No, I haven’t and I have no plans to. My issue here is not with the content of the video, but with freedom of speech generally. He’s entitled to express his views.

In any case, if the video was actually bad we’ve have heard all about it by now. If the worst they can say is that it’s a ‘polemical defence of masculine virtues’ then it must be fine.

291284 ▶▶▶▶ Victoria, replying to richmond, 2, #510 of 1754 🔗

My issue here is not with the content of the video, but with freedom of speech generally. He’s entitled to express his views.

Exactly! That is exactly what Toby has said in the Unlocked interview above (a MUST WATCH interview)

Not defend what they say

Defend Free Speech

291237 Bugle, replying to Bugle, 18, #511 of 1754 🔗

MI5 are embedded in No 10 directly advising the PM – over a health problem! I guarantee you they’re advising him about phone usage and travel as indexes of resistance. If London goes into Tier 3, it will be because of non-compliance, not a higher infection rate. After Christmas is safely out of the way, HMG will return to scaring everyone to death with bogus data to bring us back under control.

The time to say “no” is now. It won’t get any easier down the line.

291242 ▶▶ John P, replying to Bugle, 1, #512 of 1754 🔗

I’ve been saying “no” since March. You?

Regarding your “guarantee” is this your opinion or have you connections to the security services that give you this insider knowledge?

292444 ▶▶ Iansn, replying to Bugle, #513 of 1754 🔗

if London goes T3 there will be serious non compliance and disobedience. Guaranteed

291238 John P, replying to John P, 35, #514 of 1754 🔗

This is encouraging. A set of tweets from a mainstream broadcasting journalist Robert Peston who was shocked by a recent downwards revision on coronavirus incidence:

“When shaping policy to protect us from Covid-19, the government relies on data from the Office for National Statistics to provide the scientific basis for its actions. The weekly ONS coronavirus survey is supposed to be the information gold standard – and in particular it
underpinned Boris Johnson’s controversial announcement at the end of October to put England back into national lockdown.

No other course of action seemed sensible, given that the ONS survey on 30 October showed the incidence of coronavirus in the community in England had surged from 4.3 per 10,000 people on 2 October to 9.52 on 17 October, the latest date for data then available. This was a terrifyingly fast doubling rate.

So the advice from Sir Patrick Vallance and Chris Whitty to the PM was unambiguous: lockdown was the only reasonable course of action. Guess my surprise – indeed shock would better describe it – when I saw in the latest ONS survey, dated 4 December, that the national statistician has downgraded its estimate of coronavirus in England on 17 October to just 4.89 people per 10,000. And it now says the the incidence of coronavirus in England barely increased until after the start of lockdown – and even during lockdown it says the prevalence never got above 6.62 per 10,000 (on 12 November).

Just to be clear, I am not saying national lockdown was a mistake. I don’t know whether it was. What I am saying is that it is hard to make momentous decisions like whether to go into national lockdown in a rational way if the data informing those decisions is subject to such massive after-the-event revisions. And just in case you think I have gone mad or am making this stuff up, I attach screenshots of the ONS’s data spreadsheets for coronavirus incidence per 10,000 people for 30 October and 4 December. I have highlighted 17 October rate in both cases.”

That mainstream journalists are beginning to question the data can only be a good thing. Hopefully more will follow suit.

291255 ▶▶ Buck Foris, replying to John P, 12, #515 of 1754 🔗

And Peston too. He’s the archetypal ‘educated yet idiot’. Encouraging.

292445 ▶▶▶ Iansn, replying to Buck Foris, #516 of 1754 🔗

Shit scared the party he’s booked for all his tip off people will be cancelled. https://order-order.com/2020/12/08/watch-kay-burley-beth-rigby-grill-each-other-over-covid-lawbreaking/ take a look at these two fools then you completely get what they are at. For the many not the few.

291396 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to John P, 4, #517 of 1754 🔗

Wait till he hears about PCR.

291248 Caramel, replying to Caramel, 6, #518 of 1754 🔗

The Guardian can go flip itself. Archive link so they don’t get more clicks. I get defensive when they put down Profs. Sunetra Gupta and Carl Heneghan.

We need scientists to quiz Covid consensus, not act as agents of disinformation | Sonia Sodha | Opinion | The Guardian (archive.is)

291252 ▶▶ John P, replying to Caramel, 4, #519 of 1754 🔗

Yes, a typically gross piece of government supporting propaganda from the Guardian.

291266 ▶▶ Steve Hayes, replying to Caramel, 7, #520 of 1754 🔗

Sonia Sodha would know all about this having a PPE, the degree of choice for political careerists: the one that trains them to sound like the know all about a subject after a cursory glance about someone else’s brief summary.

291288 ▶▶▶ Tyneside Tigress, replying to Steve Hayes, 3, #521 of 1754 🔗

It’s great when she is on the Sky paper review with the wonderfully acerbic Isabel Oakshott – Isabel takes her apart pretty much every time!

291256 godowneasy, replying to godowneasy, 11, #522 of 1754 🔗

UK trial to mix and match Covid vaccines to try to improve potency Pilot planned for January will give subjects a shot of both Oxford/AstraZeneca and Pfizer/BioNTech versions
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/dec/08/covid-mixed-vaccine-trial-likely-to-begin-in-uk-next-month

A trial is likely to go ahead in January to find out whether mixing and matching Covid vaccines gives better protection than two doses of the same one, the head of the British government’s taskforce has said.
———————————————————————————————–
My alternative title would be: “World leading UK decides that risk of one vaccine is insufficient and needs to be increased”

291261 ▶▶ Country Mumkin, replying to godowneasy, 5, #523 of 1754 🔗

The Pfizer docs said don’t mix vaccines or meds. What are they thinking?

291279 ▶▶▶ TheOriginalBlackPudding, replying to Country Mumkin, 1, #524 of 1754 🔗

They’re thinking that they know better. Hubris.

291286 ▶▶▶▶ John P, replying to TheOriginalBlackPudding, 5, #525 of 1754 🔗

Well they don’t know better. The idea of mixing vaccines is at best ridiculous and at worst criminal.

291265 ▶▶ John P, replying to godowneasy, 2, #526 of 1754 🔗

I can’t believe the stupidity (or brazenness) of these people.

If something goes wrong then you won’t know who to blame!

291319 ▶▶▶ PoshPanic, replying to John P, 2, #527 of 1754 🔗

That makes it a good insurance policy for them. Make it so complicated, that no one will be able to figure out who to blame.

291370 ▶▶▶▶ John P, replying to PoshPanic, #528 of 1754 🔗

It does if they can get away with it. Hopefully someone will notice the problem.

291408 ▶▶ JHuntz, replying to godowneasy, 1, #529 of 1754 🔗

I do love a pick and mix. We could serve the vaccine up with a 2 for 1 at the movies. Date night.

291416 ▶▶▶ godowneasy, replying to JHuntz, 4, #530 of 1754 🔗

Great idea – “Roll up roll up – vaccines 3 quid each or two for a Pfizer”

292448 ▶▶▶▶ Iansn, replying to godowneasy, #531 of 1754 🔗

nice one godown

291486 ▶▶ Edward, replying to godowneasy, #532 of 1754 🔗

What about the fallacy of composition? Two vaccines together don’t necessarily produce a simple combination of their supposed effects.

291809 ▶▶ Sue, replying to godowneasy, 1, #533 of 1754 🔗

jesus they’re determined to kill us off – not just one vaccine but two!!
i have a spare vaccine if anyone wants to use it!

291259 Country Mumkin, replying to Country Mumkin, 9, #534 of 1754 🔗

How do you think the GPs doctors and nurses feel about administering this vaccine? Do you think they’ve considered the speed of development, the emergency authorisation, the limited information? Do you think they’re concerned about it? I’d love to know what they’re really thinking.

291263 ▶▶ John P, replying to Country Mumkin, 2, #535 of 1754 🔗

You could try asking your GP.

291347 ▶▶▶ Two-Six, replying to John P, 1, #536 of 1754 🔗

I am pretty sure all the GP’s in my practice are brainwashed bastards.

291348 ▶▶▶▶ John P, replying to Two-Six, 3, #537 of 1754 🔗

Well if they’re that bad I suggest you get another GP.

291264 ▶▶ calchas, replying to Country Mumkin, 11, #538 of 1754 🔗

To get a clue of what people are thinking watch what they do.

If this situation were all it was portryed to be, then NHS staff would be clamouring for a vaccine, quite righty, since they would be most at risk.

The silence from NHS staff on this tells you all you need to know.

291281 ▶▶▶ John P, replying to calchas, -3, #539 of 1754 🔗

What do I need to know? I don’t like this sort of “be scared” comment tbh.

NHS staff have been generally silent since March as their jobs are under threat if they speak to the media. I would think that policy was put in place originally to protect patient privacy. Nurses and medics can’t go around openly discussing individuals medical histories.

Nevertheless if you are interested in guaging the opinions of medical staff you could try asking them what they think.

The NHS employs thousands of people. I’m sure you can get an informal opinion from some of them.

Indeed, Allison Pearson regularly publishes comments from an insider.

291296 ▶▶▶▶ calchas, replying to John P, 4, #540 of 1754 🔗

No, If I want to know what somebody ‘really’ thinks, then I watch what they do.

If yiu ask somebody what they think about something, then they tell you what is socially acceptable etc etc.

Talk is cheap.

I watch to see if they are pushing themselves forward for the vaccine.

They aren’t, despite their theoretically vulnerable position.

If anything professional pressures, such as you mentioned, would tend to push them towards taking the vaccine,

291321 ▶▶▶▶▶ Country Mumkin, replying to calchas, #541 of 1754 🔗

I agree calchas. Observable behaviour v useful in addition to contradictions, general mood and attitude when talking about different aspects of the subject.

I have discussed with one GP who is a friend. She’s a bit narcissistic and trots out the party line quite well. Finally after lots of discussion about long Covid and her saying there isn’t a good choice between vaccine and no vaccine, she said “well we won’t have any choice will we, we will have to take it”. So she’s not exactly enthusiastic, but very good at turning her feelings (and morals IMO) off and following doctrine.

291349 ▶▶▶▶▶ John P, replying to calchas, #542 of 1754 🔗

You cannot get inside somebody else’s head.

You do not know what anybody else thinks.

You either trust what comes out of their mouths or you don’t.

291440 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ John P, replying to John P, #543 of 1754 🔗

Rather than downvoting why not explain why you disagree. Not that I am going to change this! It’s so bloody obvious.

291632 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to John P, 2, #544 of 1754 🔗

People have explained that actions speak louder than words i.e. are a more accurate barometer to people’s true beliefs.

291354 ▶▶▶▶▶ John P, replying to calchas, -2, #545 of 1754 🔗

“If yiu ask somebody what they think about something, then they tell you what is socially acceptable etc etc.”

Oh really. Nobody ever tells the truth except you?

Some people may tell you lies, but some people may be open and honest. It depends who you ask and how you ask them!

291400 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Country Mumkin, replying to John P, 2, #546 of 1754 🔗

That’s not how the psychology of man works, which is why spi-b, nudge units, advertising agencies, psychologists, market researchers, ethnographers etc use different methods to explore the subconscious, the dichotomies and paradoxes we all hold.

When I asked the original question I was part musing and part wondering if anyone had any insights. I also wanted medical people to share, but it’s not always appropriate to be direct in asking a question as it doesn’t necessarily help people to come forward in comfort. Which is why I asked what I did in the way I did.

291413 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ John P, replying to Country Mumkin, #547 of 1754 🔗

“That’s not how the psychology of man works.”

The is subjective opinion – not objective reality. I am entitled to disagree with you.

I do understand that people in our modern world are continually manipulated by advertisers and governments and I don’t like it either.

But none of that invalidates what I said.

291423 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Country Mumkin, replying to John P, 1, #548 of 1754 🔗

Yes of course you’re entitled to disagree, comment and behave in whatever way you choose.

291356 ▶▶ FlynnQuill, replying to Country Mumkin, 18, #549 of 1754 🔗

My wife is a Pharmacist for the NHS. She wouldn’t touch it with a shitty stick as she knows full well what the development of a new vaccine entails. She has a PHD in pharmacology and vaccine development life cycles was part of her thesis. My wife has tried to find out what the vaccine actually does but cannot find any information on what it does or does not do.

The nurses in her practice have also stated that they won’t take it and won’t even administer it

291410 ▶▶▶ Country Mumkin, replying to FlynnQuill, 4, #550 of 1754 🔗

That’s very interesting to hear and so pleased your wife and colleagues are approaching it in this way.

291430 ▶▶ p02099003, replying to Country Mumkin, 11, #551 of 1754 🔗

It cannot just be administered, it HAS to be individually prescribed by a physician or other prescriber as it is not licensed. Each patient has to be individually assessed for suitability to receive the vaccine, full disclosure of possible side effects and risks versus benefits. If the prescriber decides that the vaccine will benefit the patient then they can either administer it themselves or issue a Patient Specific Direction for someone else to administer it. Failure to discuss with the patient risks v benefits by the person administering the vaccine and when something goes wrong it will be the PRESCRIBERS responsibility.

291444 ▶▶▶ stevie, replying to p02099003, 2, #552 of 1754 🔗

Good summary

291269 leggy, replying to leggy, 5, #553 of 1754 🔗

Lots of pictures of Hancock in the media today. If we had an independent media, maybe they’d print this one?

https://mobile.twitter.com/MattHancock/status/956851034797891584

291280 ▶▶ Buck Foris, replying to leggy, 3, #554 of 1754 🔗

Where’s the health secretary? All I see is Blofeld and his pet pussy.

291271 Victoria, 4, #555 of 1754 🔗

re Simon Dolan Court case
 Legal team officially submits our application to take the case to the Supreme Court.

https://www.keepbritainfree.com/post/legal-team-officially-submits-our-application-to-take-the-case-to-the-supreme-court

291272 Moomin, replying to Moomin, 31, #556 of 1754 🔗

Anyone else depressed by the vaccine propaganda? I honestly naively thought people would’ve come to their senses by the end of April at the latest but it’s just getting worse! For me this whole thing is a no brainer, it’s always been blatantly obvious things are nowhere near as they’ve been made out. I don’t know what’s worse, knowing that people have been lied to and bewitched by the covid spell or seeing people I thought were in their right minds actually believing this nonsense! I’m not sure I’ll ever be able to recover the way I see some close friends and family, I just don’t know how they can be so gullible.

291283 ▶▶ godowneasy, replying to Moomin, 10, #557 of 1754 🔗

Yes – and I now have the task of trying to persuade my elderly parents to avoid being coerced into taking the vaccine. They trust the NHS and their government. It’s going be tricky.

291324 ▶▶▶ John P, replying to godowneasy, 6, #558 of 1754 🔗

Coercion is definitely unacceptible, but be careful to remember that either way it is their choice if they are offered it.

Ensure that you give them proper information. Then leave it up to them.

291332 ▶▶▶▶ godowneasy, replying to John P, 5, #559 of 1754 🔗

Absolutely – I want them to make an informed decision. Their only “news” comes out of the TV which means they are not informed.

291346 ▶▶▶▶▶ John P, replying to godowneasy, 5, #560 of 1754 🔗

I’m in the same boat. Last week I gave my parents a photocopy of Mike Yeadon’s reservations about the vaccine, but said I wouldn’t try to persuade them either way.

The key is informed consent or for that matter informed refusal.

291579 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to John P, #561 of 1754 🔗

The key, in the first place, is the competency to make a serious decision.

291368 ▶▶▶ mjr, replying to godowneasy, 1, #562 of 1754 🔗

i have similar issue with mine. However my step father is a cynical bugger who checked himself out of hospital this weekend after going in due to angina attack so i dont think he will coerced

291285 ▶▶ Ed Phillips, replying to Moomin, 4, #563 of 1754 🔗

It’s definitely opened my eyes to some things.

291311 ▶▶ Janice21, replying to Moomin, 12, #564 of 1754 🔗

I actually am dreading next time we see my MIL, her messages and voice calls all about covid are obsessive, makes my ears bleed. I am more angry that she is wary of seeing her own flipping grandchildren. She is only in her 60s and healthy but just petrified of the whole thing.
Its even caused arguments with my husband, he isn’t quite as sceptical as me and kind of ignores the whole thing, not having much of an opinion on it. I am looking forward to when this all comes out in the wash as to how much of a farce it is and I can say ‘I told you so’.

291325 ▶▶ Caramel, replying to Moomin, 9, #565 of 1754 🔗

Back in March despite reading the infamous Imperial College model, I didn’t think it would last this long and thought that it might be over in June. It was all obvious to me back then that covid wouldn’t be drastically worse than the flu and that lockdowns caused the issues in Italy. I was just bemused all through March and April about the panic. I don’t mean to be snarky and the media was awful but what exactly did they not know back then.

291333 ▶▶▶ steve_w, replying to Caramel, 4, #566 of 1754 🔗

I too thought it would be over in June

we would look back and say we panicked

i couldn’t conceive of a mild uptick in cases this winter leading to lockdowns

291487 ▶▶▶ RickH, replying to Caramel, 10, #567 of 1754 🔗

I didn’t think it would be over by June – the Spivs had invested too much in the propaganda.

But I did reckon that, by this time we would be doing the usual seasonal concerts (having cancelled the summer ones), and I’d be playing Yorkshire carols in the pub. I wasn’t certain – but that’s where by bets were placed.

Like everyone else, the degree to which the public has swallowed one bowl of sick after another because ‘it’s good for you’ has taken even cynical me by surprise.

The retreat to a pre-modern standard of general scientific insight has been truly startling. I know that there is evidence of people becoming more casual about the restrictions placed on them – but I really didn’t expect that the propaganda would have such a hold that people would be accepting a police state well into 2021 on the basis of a fairy tale.

291350 ▶▶ Two-Six, replying to Moomin, 4, #568 of 1754 🔗

Same. I will never view others in the same way again. I will need to establish where people stand in relation to COVID BOLLOCKS. If they show any hint of believing it it, fuck them for ever.
OK perhaps not for ever but it will be time for me to disengage from them.

291596 ▶▶ IanE, replying to Moomin, 8, #569 of 1754 🔗

I have been following the global warming scam right from the beginning (when I briefly believed there was something behind it and so, as a physical scientist, started to read round about it). For probably the first ten years of fudged data, meaningless waffle, worse-than-useless counter-measures and cod science based entirely on useless and hopelessly incomplete models, I thought that people would soon cotton on to the mass fraud occurring for the enrichment of the already filthy (sic) rich scum behind it. Nope, still no sign of that: don’t expect the covid story to be debunked for the masses any time soon!

292023 ▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to Moomin, 4, #570 of 1754 🔗

Count me in!! Its depressing to see a lot of people thinking this is a magic bullet but not questioning the inconsistencies and contradictions in the narrative that the public is being fed.

For the record, I’m not anti-vaccination, had all the requisite jabs as a kid but have never had the flu vaccine and I don’t see why I should be inoculated against something that has a 99.9% survival rate. I’m also concerned at how this was all rushed.

Like you, I don’t think I’ll ever look at certain family, friends and colleagues the same way again. It’s as if this crisis has revealed a lot of people for who they truly are and what they can be.

291274 godowneasy, replying to godowneasy, #571 of 1754 🔗

William Shakespeare must be turning in his grave – he wanted to be first to be vaxxed not second.

291302 ▶▶ John P, replying to godowneasy, 5, #572 of 1754 🔗

Shaky had more sense:

To be, or not to be, that is the question:
Whether ’tis nobler in the mind to suffer
The slings and arrows of outrageous fortune,
Or to take arms against a sea of troubles
And by opposing end them.

291310 ▶▶ PoshPanic, replying to godowneasy, 2, #573 of 1754 🔗

He might have been one of us?

While you here do snoring lie,
Open-eyed conspiracy his time doth take.
If of life you keep a care,
Shake off slumber and beware:
Awake, awake!

291318 ▶▶▶ John P, replying to PoshPanic, 1, #574 of 1754 🔗

I’m sure he would have been.

291275 kh1485, 30, #575 of 1754 🔗

Best mask comment heard just now from a customer to her husband:

“You look like a gangster, take it off”

Brilliant.

291278 Freecumbria, replying to Freecumbria, 9, #576 of 1754 🔗

Regional charts are very informative.

Here is my chart of English regional covid-19 positive hospital deaths (7 day running average) expressed as a percentage of the first wave peak.

If we remember SAR-CoV-2 is the virus and covid-19 is the illness it causes, then these are really deaths with a positive test (genuine positives and false positives) for SARS-CoV-2. The majority since May are probably not deaths from covid-19 but deaths with SARS-CoV-2 or deaths with covid-19 but where another illness has really been the main factor in the death. Some of the deaths are nosocomial in nature. Official statistics aren’t available to precisely identify the split into these categories.

That important caveat aside, let’s look at the regional variation in covid-19 labelled hospital deaths.

The deaths are by date of death (not registration) and make allowance based on national reporting delays for the latest days, and the chart misses off the last few days where estimates could be materially unreliable. So the falls at the end are genuine falls not falls because of deaths that have occurred but not been reported.

For the moment let’s just look at London vs the North West and try to explain it

North West
What we see is that in the North West there has been an autumn increase which is a much higher % of the first wave than in London. It looks like the first wave in the North West didn’t fully take hold and now is finishing off. Having finished off it looks like the North West has passed the autumn herd immunity threshold and because of the autumn overshoot covid-19 labelled deaths are now decreasing rapidly because the overshoot provides significant protection against further seasonal changes to the equilibrium point.

London
By contrast London appears to have reached/approached herd immunity in April. This explains London’s a) earlier peak in April, b) higher relative peak in April, c) much faster community immunity driven fall off the April peak, and d) smoother fall off the April peak. Note the faster fall still exists even if you allow for London having peaked a week or so earlier than other regions; imagine the London curve being translated over a week or so to the right it’s still falls more quickly than other regions.

However herd immunity isn’t a single threshold that is passed and covid-19 goes away. It is an endemic equilibrium and that point of equilibrium changes as the seasonal effect of SARS-C0V-2 comes into play. London has taken a lot longer to start off in the autumn which may be down to the protection from the April overshoot. However the seasonal affect does eventually kick in as the autumn equilibrium point is reached. Consequently that is why the London autumn increase is a much smaller percentage (13%) of the April peak. London hasn’t ‘benefited’ from the autumn overshoot in the North West, so it means that autumn covid-19 labelled deaths continue to increase, after the North West reduces, but at a slow rate due to the seasonal equilibrium change, and this increase has been, and should remain at most a slow one, and will never approach anything near the increase seen in the North West before deaths fall away.

This is just my own basic analysis. Can anybody else add to this, or suggest what this implies for suggestions that London be placed into tier 3? (although all tiers and forms of lockdown are nonsense in my view)

291306 ▶▶ Buck Foris, replying to Freecumbria, 4, #577 of 1754 🔗

Yes, the data that these graphs are built from is so faulty that they are what statisticians would call ‘complete bollocks’.

Trying to extrapolate anything meaningful from them, save proping up the appallingly transparent propaganda narrative that they are designed to support, is a complete waste of your rapidly diminishing life.

Your time would be more fruitfully spent masturbating, picking your nose, or trying to contact your dead pets with a ouija board.

291312 ▶▶▶ John P, replying to Buck Foris, 6, #578 of 1754 🔗

“Your time would be more fruitfully spent masturbating, picking your nose, or trying to contact your dead pets with a ouija board.”

Okay, I’ve got the first two covered. Where do I get a ouija board?

291334 ▶▶▶▶ Buck Foris, replying to John P, 1, #579 of 1754 🔗

Tenner on Amazon. Beat the post vaccine rollout rush, you’ll look like a genius after the vaccine drops the boomers.

291340 ▶▶▶▶ John P, replying to John P, 1, #580 of 1754 🔗

lol, a downvote for this. Am I not allowed to make a joke now? (I liked the comment btw).

291366 ▶▶▶ Bobblybob, replying to Buck Foris, 2, #581 of 1754 🔗

More fun if you try to do them all together…

291469 ▶▶▶▶ Jonathan Smith, replying to Bobblybob, 1, #582 of 1754 🔗

I bow to your superior knowledge BobblyBob. 😁

291441 ▶▶ RickH, replying to Freecumbria, 3, #583 of 1754 🔗

Good work, Freecumbria.

I think my takeaway is not so much the regional differences – although theses are interesting at the extremes – but the essential commonality of the data. This fits in well with the overall analyses that Ivor Cummins has been making at the international level.

As others have said, the term ‘Covid deaths’ is a distortion – they are PCR+ results, which may have some general relationship to the prevalence of live virus – but the ratio is uncertain. The idea that actual infection levels are close to the April peak is absurdity on stilts.

Clearly, the public narrative can now be seen to be total, utter bollocks to anyone with a brain – we are in a normal period of seasonal infection, with the south and south-east and London in particular, showing less of a spread (the latter because of the greater impact earlier in the year).

291516 ▶▶▶ Freecumbria, replying to RickH, 1, #584 of 1754 🔗

Thanks.

On the subject of Ivor Cummins I think the regional analyses that Joel Smalley did in this video were very interesting. I like it that he went into sub-regional analysis also to show least affected in Spring = most affected in autumn. And it was all put into context which is a reasonable criticism that any regional analysis gets.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m121hAiREvc

The ONS release today ‘Deaths registered in England and Wales, provisional: week ending 27 November 2020’ shows all cause London deaths are running at just 5.5% above the 5 year average. Once you allow for population increase and age profile this excess probably disappears. And that’s before you allow for all the extra home deaths that are due to the deaths caused by lockdowns and economy meltdown. So completely normal period of seasonal infection as you say.

291287 BeBopRockSteady, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 7, #585 of 1754 🔗

Forgive my lack of excitement

291291 ▶▶ John P, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 11, #586 of 1754 🔗

Who do these bloody people think they are.

291295 ▶▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to John P, 9, #587 of 1754 🔗

https://mobile.twitter.com/LSHTM/status/1334100776910802945

This guy basically says expect heart attacks but don’t blame the vaccine. Bit early for excuses?

At best it’s just an example of rolling this out to people who might get a very small extension to life. At worst, it’s giving up a small window of life to a medical experiment

291561 ▶▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 1, #588 of 1754 🔗

Stephen.Evans@lshtm.ac.uk

Let him know what you think …

291568 ▶▶▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to JohnB, 1, #589 of 1754 🔗

Heh, Also this –

Safety of medicines is my major interest . Assessment of safety and risk in a general sense, but particularly in trials and epidemiological studies, especially in electronic health records, are the main topics. I am also interested in scientific fraud and misconduct, especially in clinical trials. “.

(My bolding).

291304 ▶▶▶ calchas, replying to John P, 5, #590 of 1754 🔗

Well-paid apparatchils of a technocratic state.

291299 ▶▶ Liam, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 8, #591 of 1754 🔗

Coincidental? Like the 98 year olds with cancer, heart failure and Alzheimer’s who coincidentally die of Covid?

291320 ▶▶▶ jrsm, replying to Liam, 3, #592 of 1754 🔗

Exactly, if you apply the same criteria for a vaccine death as you apply to “Covid” deaths (death for any reason within a couple months of being injected), next year Worldometer will show 1.5 million deaths caused by Covid vaccines.

291301 ▶▶ Achilles, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 9, #593 of 1754 🔗

Good to know at this stage that all adverse effects will be coincidental, what a relief. I assume therefore for the first time ever there will be no need to include a list of side-effects in the box.

291308 ▶▶▶ Liam, replying to Achilles, 4, #594 of 1754 🔗

My Mum has to take a lot of medication and always jokes that everything down to paracetamol lists possible side effects that include an exploding head and spontaneous combustion.

291936 ▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Achilles, #595 of 1754 🔗

They don’t know what they are yet, so they can’t include a list.

291307 ▶▶ RickH, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 7, #596 of 1754 🔗

What beats me is that such morons (and, yes, I am choosing my words carefully – such statements are moronic) travel under the flag of ‘Scientist’

… when they can’t even employ the most basic tenets of empirical scientific methodology and the process of falsification.

291341 ▶▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to RickH, 3, #597 of 1754 🔗

They are selected and screened for their views. Stage management

291554 ▶▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 1, #598 of 1754 🔗

Yep. They are labelled as scientists, but their function is more ‘this is how it must be’ shills.

291328 ▶▶ Tyneside Tigress, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 1, #599 of 1754 🔗

Another one who is neither a scientist nor a doctor. What a strange CV – and how old is he if he ‘retired’ in 2002?:

Stephen Evans | LSHTM

291338 ▶▶▶ John P, replying to Tyneside Tigress, 1, #600 of 1754 🔗

Like his covid thinking the “CV” is all over the place. He also later claims to be now “semi-retired”.

291353 ▶▶▶ Victoria, replying to Tyneside Tigress, #601 of 1754 🔗

Trying to resurrect a career at this late stage….

291358 ▶▶▶▶ stefarm, replying to Victoria, 1, #602 of 1754 🔗

Big pay day looming for all of these scripted characters, might even get an Oscar nomination

291382 ▶▶▶▶▶ Hieronimusb, replying to stefarm, #603 of 1754 🔗

There must be a new category for worst actor? After all, ‘best’ is just so yesterday.

291943 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Hieronimusb, 1, #604 of 1754 🔗

It’s called the Hamcock.

292030 ▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to Tyneside Tigress, #605 of 1754 🔗

I think this is a new reality TV show and one that provides platforms to has been and ageing scientists.

Another one who wants his 15 minutes of fame and some more.

291564 ▶▶ Ben, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 2, #606 of 1754 🔗

Ahhh, the smiling face of a fascist

291928 ▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to BeBopRockSteady, #607 of 1754 🔗

No such thing as a coincidental adverse effect, surely?
It’s either an effect or it’s a coincidence.

291290 Liam, 11, #608 of 1754 🔗

If anyone didn’t see the graph on Swedish all cause deaths from 2010 up to November 26 this year it’s here:

https://www.statista.com/statistics/525353/sweden-number-of-deaths/

No difference. None. The level of frustration and stunned horror I feel at this ongoing madness is indescribable.

291297 RickH, replying to RickH, 7, #609 of 1754 🔗

Just a shout for one of the external items listed today :

… an excellent and coherent overview for those wanting an effective summary of issues.

291331 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to RickH, 2, #610 of 1754 🔗

He may as well laugh now. Eternal hell awaits these people.

291342 ▶▶ calchas, replying to RickH, #611 of 1754 🔗

Superb piece – thanks for bringing it to our attention.

291303 Country Mumkin, replying to Country Mumkin, 11, #612 of 1754 🔗

I’m sure this has been shared and said but why is Matt Hancock laughing. Actually laughing. He is not crying, he is celebrating. He has pulled it off, got a bonus (probably) for being first and he’s loving it.

https://mobile.twitter.com/JimMFelton/status/1336230351673364481

291339 ▶▶ Janice21, replying to Country Mumkin, 8, #613 of 1754 🔗

I can only hope Karma gets him someday for all he has done.

291351 ▶▶ PoshPanic, replying to Country Mumkin, 6, #614 of 1754 🔗

He thought he could act on live TV in front of millions of people, even though, as is obvious, he has no previous experience or training. Tells you a lot about the man

291359 ▶▶ Hieronimusb, replying to Country Mumkin, 2, #615 of 1754 🔗

‘Makes you proud to be British..’ Churchill drily made the same remark to his PS on being informed that two guardsmen had been apprehended by the Met while engaging in (then unlawful) sexual activity in Hyde Park. Mad Hancrock evidently enjoys the same proclivity for buggery but with a promiscuity that beggars belief.

291317 BeBopRockSteady, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 9, #616 of 1754 🔗

Lots of this. Calls for schools to close now or parents to pull kids out to be safe over Christmas.

Of course a little sprinkling of non contextual fear to add to their call. My own little girl, 3 at the time, was hospitalised two years ago with respiratory issues at Christmas. A night in, nebuliser and she was as right as rain. It happens. Often. The ward was full of kids in the same boat at various levels of distress.

Schools near myself have already decided kids will be working remotely for the last week this year.

This is never ending.

291322 ▶▶ Liam, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 4, #617 of 1754 🔗

500 kids hospitalised with what? What a crock. (Oddly enough BeBop my youngest daughter had exactly the same experience at the same age, no problems whatsoever since).

291327 ▶▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to Liam, 2, #618 of 1754 🔗

The nurses definitely said it was going around moreso than previous years.

I must have missed that lockdown however. The Schools closed though did they? Masks at least I’m sure.

291336 ▶▶▶▶ Liam, replying to BeBopRockSteady, #619 of 1754 🔗

Mine is a teenager now so this was a good few years back when she was 3.

291337 ▶▶ Janice21, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 4, #620 of 1754 🔗

I bet the majority of teachers will be pushing for this so they can get off for their Christmas break early and ‘teach remotely’.
From what I saw in the comments about this on facebook the other day when it was suggested, most parents outraged at the idea but of course some saying they were pulling them out anyway so they can isolate before spending it with grandparents.
Such shite.

291345 ▶▶ Norman, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 12, #621 of 1754 🔗

Sebastian Rushworth, a doctor, has presented useful information on Sweden may have had a higher death rate than the other four Nordics.

See too Dr Malcolm Kendrick’s blog.Superb.

Norway and Finland have reportedly had an even free-er society than Sweden since the spring, when they briefly brought in quite tight restrictions, only to relax them and Norway apoligised to its people for the lockdown.

As has been said before on this website I think this needs to be presented as an all-party issue, not one for the Torygraph or Spectator to promote. There are lots of liberal lefties or centrists who don’t believe the state has the right to suspend civil liberties for a disease no worse than a bad flu season … of which I’ve lived through quite a few as I’m 67.

291488 ▶▶ Steve Hayes, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 2, #622 of 1754 🔗

In 2010 (to pick a year at random) over seven hundred thousand children were admitted to hospital. https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-21415142

291542 ▶▶▶ Liam, replying to Steve Hayes, 3, #623 of 1754 🔗

I increasingly feel like my head is going to explode pointing out obvious stuff like this to people who simply cannot deal with numbers, facts, logic or context. It’s maddening. Literally, I fear I am slipping into mental illness from it.

291819 ▶▶▶▶ Censored Dog, replying to Liam, #624 of 1754 🔗

Blind fear does bad things to people.

291858 ▶▶▶▶ Steve Hayes, replying to Liam, #625 of 1754 🔗

It is amazing how people will parrot the death figures they get from the news and look blank when informed that excluding the virus seventeen hundred people die daily in the country.

291326 Steve Hayes, replying to Steve Hayes, 32, #626 of 1754 🔗

Matt Hancock’s performance this morning on Good Morning Britain, where he pretended to cry in order to disguise a laugh response, shows just how gullible the political media elite think we are. They think we will believe anything they tell us.

291352 ▶▶ Be Unshakeable, replying to Steve Hayes, 10, #627 of 1754 🔗

That little shit has one of the worst cases of ‘duper’s delight’ I’ve ever seen.

292242 ▶▶▶ Ben, replying to Be Unshakeable, 1, #628 of 1754 🔗

I have to laugh. Another example of duping delight is Bill and Melinda Gates after saying ‘just wait for the second wave’

291357 ▶▶ OKUK, replying to Steve Hayes, 24, #629 of 1754 🔗

Emotional is the word – or order – of the day. Matt got a bit emotional. JHB got a bit emotional. Even the guy she was interviewing confessed to getting a bit emotional.

When politicians and media presenters “get a little bit emotional” I get a little bit cynical. Where has the emotion been for the people whose lives and livelihoods have been destroyed by the lockdown. Where is the emotion about our horrific loss of liberty, or turning us into a nation of fearful masked zombies?

They chose the fittest, most compos mentis 90 year old in the country to receive the vaccine as part of media manipulation. This shouldn’t be about the optics, but about the substance.

You know, I think I’m beginning to get a little bit emotional as well – about all the relentless lies and deceit.

291360 ▶▶▶ steve_w, replying to OKUK, 3, #630 of 1754 🔗

‘tired and emotional’ just means drunk

291412 ▶▶ Bella, replying to Steve Hayes, 3, #631 of 1754 🔗

Unfortunately most people will. Lot of people still read The Sun.

291343 Inlakesh, #632 of 1754 🔗

Ask the experts:
https://is.gd/QTc8Xa

291344 Ricky R, replying to Ricky R, 38, #633 of 1754 🔗

Went to the pub last night which offered “substantial meal” vouchers. Basically a piece of paper that you hold on to confirming you will be getting a substantial meal whilst you order however many drinks you’d like. Nothing is stopping you from drinking up and leaving without cashing in your voucher. Went during the football so everyone was cheering and hugging and having a great time. Felt very normal.

My life is effectively back to normal. I won’t be losing any more time to this and it looks like many people and businesses are the same. All we can hope for is that all the security theatre gets forgotten.

291361 ▶▶ Lockdown_Lunacy, replying to Ricky R, 11, #634 of 1754 🔗

I’ve stayed ‘normal’ throughout this in my personal and social life, but I’m still waiting for them to stop forcibly ruining my livelihood. I’ve got a lot to do to my house, but I’m struggling to muster up the enthusiasm with the constant nagging worry that if this drags on for another year I’ll end up struggling to keep paying for it.

Let’s hope it all ends soon. I wish there was a pub like yours near me!

291369 ▶▶▶ steve_w, replying to Lockdown_Lunacy, 10, #635 of 1754 🔗

I go to Wetherspoons regularly. Mainly for coffee and a snack. I like to support them as they’ve been sceptic. Their Winter magazine is excellent sceptic material. Might open a few eyes

pdf of it here

https://www.jdwetherspoon.com/news/2020/11/wetherspoon-news-do-lockdowns-work

291376 ▶▶▶▶ Victoria, replying to steve_w, 1, #636 of 1754 🔗

Thanks. Their magazine is great

291833 ▶▶▶▶ David Grimbleby, replying to steve_w, 3, #637 of 1754 🔗

Just stayed in a Wetherspoons Hotel in Whitby , good all round, food and all, From Tier 3 to tier 2, and back, such rebels!

291402 ▶▶ arfurmo, replying to Ricky R, 1, #638 of 1754 🔗

Luxury -I can only dream of being in tier 2

291540 ▶▶▶ Ceriain, replying to arfurmo, 3, #639 of 1754 🔗

Nice! 😉

“There were 150 of us vaccinated in a cardboard box.”

291355 Crystal Decanter, replying to Crystal Decanter, 16, #640 of 1754 🔗

So if Margaret Keenan happens to keel over within the next 28 days
Will it be with vaccine, or from vaccine ??

291364 ▶▶ steve_w, replying to Crystal Decanter, 17, #641 of 1754 🔗

there are 600,000 people in the UK within their last year of life. it doesn’t take much to knock them over. a cold, touch of flu, a fall, depression, being injected with something straight out of the lab that gives healthy volunteers localised pain and migraines

292660 ▶▶▶ richard riewer, replying to steve_w, #642 of 1754 🔗

The Undertakers are going to be overwhelmed. Are they on the stock market?

291373 ▶▶ Victoria, replying to Crystal Decanter, 10, #643 of 1754 🔗

However if she becomes unwell or die 6 months later they will DENY that it is due to the untested vaccine

291393 ▶▶▶ Ben, replying to Victoria, 8, #644 of 1754 🔗

This is what’s shocked me the most – the immorality and dishonesty of the mainstream media. In the Corona Scandal they are complicit in crimes against humanity

291406 ▶▶▶▶ Bella, replying to Ben, 5, #645 of 1754 🔗

What about the immorality and dishonesty of government officials?

291381 ▶▶ calchas, replying to Crystal Decanter, 2, #646 of 1754 🔗

If Margaret Keenan keel over within the next 28 days, then she will never have existed.

291387 ▶▶▶ Liam, replying to calchas, 5, #647 of 1754 🔗

There was no “Margaret Keenan” comrade. You are clearly mistaken.

291365 PoshPanic, replying to PoshPanic, 3, #648 of 1754 🔗

This is an interesting development. Could be a non story, but it seems that one of Floridas Covid tracker team, went all independent Sage and is now having her house raided.

https://www.foxnews.com/us/florida-police-raid-home-of-fired-data-scientist-who-built-state-covid-19-tracker

291388 ▶▶ JHuntz, replying to PoshPanic, 3, #649 of 1754 🔗

Is Florida the only place in the world that has a functioning democracy? Oh how I wish I was an American and could go straight there for the rest of my time.

291478 ▶▶▶ PoshPanic, replying to JHuntz, 3, #650 of 1754 🔗

Well they’ve just begun reducing test cycles to 25. It seems this lady is running her own independent case track site, mainly aimed at school monitoring!?? But is receiving a lot of praise from the zealot media.

It seems that anyone can add data to this site, so not all dodgy then..

https://www.thecovidmonitor.com/methods

291367 godowneasy, replying to godowneasy, 24, #651 of 1754 🔗

Boris Johnson this morning – get the sick bucket:

Johnson said it was “very, very exciting” to meet some of the first people to be vaccinated against coronavirus.
The prime minister said it was moving to talk to Lyn Wheeler, who was the first to receive the vaccine at Guy’s hospital.

She is 81 and it is really very moving to hear her say she is doing it for Britain, which is exactly right – she is protecting herself but also helping to protect the entire country.

To all those who are scared [of getting vaccinated] – don’t be […] You have seen people take the vaccine this morning in large numbers. There’s nothing to be nervous about.
What I would say is that there are those obviously who feel that a vaccine is something they object to politically or for ideological reasons.
I think they are totally wrong. It’s safe, it’s the right thing to do, it’s good for you and it’s good for the whole country.

————————————————————————————————————-
So a whole bunch of people have had a vaccine and should survive until lunchtime – That’s the criteria for “safe”???
Lyn Wheeler is “helping to protect the entire country” – the efficacy of that vaccine is even better than we thought!

291372 ▶▶ Be Unshakeable, replying to godowneasy, 4, #652 of 1754 🔗

I hope they try to eat his brains. I’ve seen I Am Legend, I know where this is heading.

291375 ▶▶ John P, replying to godowneasy, 13, #653 of 1754 🔗

Well, if anything does go wrong with Pfizer’s potion then Boris’ head is going to be the first out of the guillotine.

I’m not anti-vax, I am pro choice.

All vaccines have a potential downside and if Johnson fails to properly inform the public of the potential downsides to the Pfizer vaccine then he is criminally liaible, IMO, if anything goes wrong.

291384 ▶▶ JHuntz, replying to godowneasy, 3, #654 of 1754 🔗

It’s good for me apparently. I presume it’s just like eating an apple. I’ll need to nip down to get my vaccine 5 a day shortly.

291403 ▶▶ FlynnQuill, replying to godowneasy, 6, #655 of 1754 🔗

And, we still don’t know what it does or does not do. How the hell can the Slippery Pig be saying its great for the country when we don’t know what the vaccine does. Is nobody asking him? Arrrrrrgh!

291474 ▶▶ A. Contrarian, replying to godowneasy, 4, #656 of 1754 🔗

Are we not allowed any individual political or ideological beliefs any more then?

And since when did we name and publicise people having medical treatments? I’m not in the papers every time I take a pill. What’s it got to do with anyone else? I’m at surprised 80- and 90-year-olds for going along with such nonsense.

291510 ▶▶▶ bluemoon, replying to A. Contrarian, 4, #657 of 1754 🔗

Where is Maureen when we need her?

291944 ▶▶ Lili, replying to godowneasy, 3, #658 of 1754 🔗

They think we buy this utter crap. Those of us who have seen how governments in the past 20 years have started to treat us like children, want nothing to do with their ‘state is mother, state is father’ shite.

291371 Victoria, replying to Victoria, 10, #659 of 1754 🔗

Lockdown Sceptics Editor Toby Young gave a wide-ranging interview to Martin Daubney at Unlocked that was broadcast yesterday, covering everything from the politicisation of the police to universities, cancel culture, the Free Speech Union , and of course, lockdowns.

Worth watching in full .

Toby was awarded the Free Speech Man of the Year award. Well done Toby!!!

Loved this interview.
Mainly females that gets deplatformed.
‘Not defend what they say but defend free speech’.
Bullies hunt in packs, stand up to them in numbers

Mental note to self to join the Free Speech Union that will defend me against any wrong speech accusations at the workplace or online

291399 ▶▶ Mark, replying to Victoria, 3, #660 of 1754 🔗

Definitely. Everybody here should be a member, after experiencing the coronapanic nonsense.

Currently the FSU is fighting the disgraceful Ofcom ‘coronavirus guidance’ that has been used to suppress reporting of truth about the coronapanic:

The Free Speech Union Fighting Fund

291462 ▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to Mark, #661 of 1754 🔗

Can one join even if one’s tie is properly knotted ? 🙂

These are trying times, I know, but standards are standards …

291374 Liam, replying to Liam, 43, #662 of 1754 🔗

People who say they wear a mask to protect others are lying. Always. In every case. They wear them because of a hysterical, completely unreasoning fear of being killed by Covid. Or because they’re bovine, or stupid (I know these things are not mutually exclusive).

Exactly the same goes for the vaccine.

291379 ▶▶ JHuntz, replying to Liam, 28, #663 of 1754 🔗

I think the real reason is they are cowards. They know they do not work, however to take it off would leave them out with the social acceptance of the herd. They would rather live under a lie than break a social norm.

291383 ▶▶▶ Liam, replying to JHuntz, 16, #664 of 1754 🔗

That’s a fair point as well. Berating the maskless probably gives them a self righteous tingle and also there’s the issue of projecting their own resentment of the rules onto anyone who defies them.

291390 ▶▶ Ben, replying to Liam, 19, #665 of 1754 🔗

Now I understand how Nazi Germany happened. There are too few Sophie Scholls in this world unfortunately

291401 ▶▶ The Filthy Engineer, replying to Liam, 24, #666 of 1754 🔗

I was going to post a very similar comment. I despise all this socialisation of the situation: The adverts that make out that other people are taking action on my behalf to protect me, “I was my hands to protect my colleagues”, “I wear a mask to protect you”. No! Fuck Off! You wash your hands to protect yourself, you wear a mask to protect yourself. What you do has no bearing on what I choose to do.

Any precautions that I do or don’t take are based solely on my personal risk assessment to take the measures necessary to protect me and my family not “you”.

291610 ▶▶ Tom in Scotland, replying to Liam, 8, #667 of 1754 🔗

Exactly, I agree. I hate the fucking virtue signalling more than almost any other aspect of this shitshow. It’s bad enough that we have an authoritarian government supported by so many authoritarian (hysterical, irrational and stupid) people; don’t insult me further by proclaiming how morally superior you are. Arghhhh!!!! Fuck ’em!

292662 ▶▶▶ richard riewer, replying to Tom in Scotland, #668 of 1754 🔗

Morally superior granny/granddad killers.

291734 ▶▶ Lili, replying to Liam, 2, #669 of 1754 🔗

Exactly. I’ve never worn one anywhere but plenty of muzzled zombies get really close whenever I’m in a shop!

291385 Ben, replying to Ben, 31, #670 of 1754 🔗

It’s not the ‘virus’ that’s threatening to put London in Tier 3 – it’s politicians

It’s not the ‘virus’ that’s destroyed the economy, cancelled medical treatments, created an upflow of wealth to the rich, created an epidemic of suicide and despair, stolen freedoms and civil liberties – it’s politicians

Likewise around the world, it’s not the virus that’s pushing Indian farmers to suicide – it’s politicians

https://www.opendemocracy.net/en/5050/indian-farmers-are-staring-suicide-modi-government-looks-other-way/

291571 ▶▶ JHuntz, replying to Ben, 2, #671 of 1754 🔗

That article is heart-breaking to read.

291994 ▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Ben, 2, #672 of 1754 🔗

This is what the Sikhs demonstrated about on Sunday.

292103 ▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to Ben, 2, #673 of 1754 🔗

That report from India is heartbreaking. You can bet the same is happening all over developing countries.

292383 ▶▶ ajb97b, replying to Ben, #674 of 1754 🔗

Virus prevalence has NOT risen in Tier-2 London, it is falling. Instead, what has happened is that prevalence in various Tier-3 regions has fallen faster than in London. That is why the virus level in London is now higher than in some Tier-3 regions. So the logical thing to do is put those Tier-3 regions down to Tier-2, not put London into Tier-3

Here’s the evidence (see graphic)

292387 ▶▶▶ ajb97b, replying to ajb97b, #675 of 1754 🔗

Virus Prevalence as Positivity Rate (i.e., % positive tests) for England regions

291394 kh1485, 12, #676 of 1754 🔗

Well, I don’t see too much fear here at the moment. And what’s this I hear? … oh no, the dreaded (and probably outlawed), laughter. And, an awful lot of … ahem business meetings.

291395 Stuart, replying to Stuart, 1, #677 of 1754 🔗

I trust that Ma’am will be taking the jab and setting an example to us all.

291405 ▶▶ Ben, replying to Stuart, 6, #678 of 1754 🔗

They think we’re idiots if we believe they’ll be taking a rushed-through, experimental, indemnified vaccine predicted to cause side effects

No doubt politicians, celebs, journalists, civil servants will receive their own special vaccine.

291397 calchas, replying to calchas, 12, #679 of 1754 🔗

A lot of the focus this year has been on death rates, but I will soon be looking at birth rates.

‘Covid’ has had little influence on deaths, apart from lockdown deaths.

I predict that it will have much more influence on the birth rate.

We are now on the verge of seeing the first babies born, who were conceived after the beginning of lockdown.

I predict a crash in already low birth rates.

Economic suffering, social isolation, who wants to bring a child into this world?

291422 ▶▶ FlynnQuill, replying to calchas, 11, #680 of 1754 🔗

Who the fuck would be crazy/selfish enough to subject another human being to this shower of shite of a world.

“I know dear, lets have a baby during the authoritarian take over of our country. Where the future outlook is totally bleak and life is over as we have known it”. Great idea!

291446 ▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to FlynnQuill, 2, #681 of 1754 🔗

People don’t have children, they’ve already won. Ffs.

291504 ▶▶▶ jb12, replying to FlynnQuill, 6, #682 of 1754 🔗

Or you could bring up another rational, moral, and free-thinking human to help counteract any further nonsense. If only sheeple have children, then the world will be full of sheeple.

291506 ▶▶▶▶ Be Unshakeable, replying to jb12, #683 of 1754 🔗

Too late.

291425 ▶▶ Liam, replying to calchas, 9, #684 of 1754 🔗

I’ve been thinking of this from the off. How the hell can people form romantic relationships in this dystopia?

291467 ▶▶ Steve Hayes, replying to calchas, 5, #685 of 1754 🔗

They did make having sexual intercourse with someone outside one’s household illegal.

291530 ▶▶ Steve Martindale, replying to calchas, 6, #686 of 1754 🔗

I posted about this earlier this morning, the registration of births was suspended for a while but the ONS has now been able to publish figures for live births in England & Wales for the first 3 quarters of 2020
https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunity/birthsdeathsandmarriages/livebirths/datasets/provisionalbirthsinenglandandwales
These show that ;
Total live births Jan – Sept 2020 England & Wales 464,437
Total registered deaths Jan-Sept 2020 England & Wales 453,803

And so despite being hit by this ‘unprecedented virus’ despite all the wailing and gnashing of teeth over terrible deaths, so far this year we appear. by my calculations to have had 10,634 more live births than deaths in England & Wales.
The Black Death and the Spanish Flu caused population decreases but Covid is the only pandemic ever known to have caused an increase in population!

291404 Hieronimusb, replying to Hieronimusb, 12, #687 of 1754 🔗

He’s just plain Matt Han now; apparently the other bit fell off 5 minutes after the jab, although there’s some dispute as to whether it was ever there in the first place.

291415 ▶▶ Be Unshakeable, replying to Hieronimusb, 2, #688 of 1754 🔗

Unlike Boris, known as the Ghost Shark because his reproductive organs are situated on his head.

291522 ▶▶▶ Hieronimusb, replying to Be Unshakeable, 2, #689 of 1754 🔗

From a personal perspective, it feels like they’ve been situated up my back passage for the last 9 months. Locomotion has thus been severely compromised to say the least and I’ve noticed a lot of other sufferers ‘walking funny’ with similar symptoms.

291421 ▶▶ PoshPanic, replying to Hieronimusb, 1, #690 of 1754 🔗

His cock fell off?

291437 ▶▶▶ First Minister of Bubbledom, replying to PoshPanic, #691 of 1754 🔗

LMAO

291443 ▶▶▶ Hieronimusb, replying to PoshPanic, 2, #692 of 1754 🔗

So we’re led to believe but whether it was the vaccine or over-handling hasn’t yet been established. No doubt the BBC won’t cover it which could lead to charges for indecent exposure.

291460 ▶▶▶▶ PoshPanic, replying to Hieronimusb, #693 of 1754 🔗

They’ll need good luck finding it

291472 ▶▶▶▶▶ Hieronimusb, replying to PoshPanic, 2, #694 of 1754 🔗

It seems they’re planning to use the PCR (Prosthetic Cock Retrieval) test so, yes, it’s anyones guess.

291553 ▶▶▶ Bill h, replying to PoshPanic, #695 of 1754 🔗

Good news then.

He will have to stop fucking us.

291407 Basics, replying to Basics, 3, #696 of 1754 🔗

Stefarm and others were on this case yesterday. Do not pass up the chance to listen to Allen going through a few msm interviews. What has been admitted about the deaths they *expect* to see after the vaccine is administered is unmissable. First 30 minutes of his radio show, the worst is saved til last. Dr Vernon Coleman is then his guest for the rest of the show.

Astounding admission – https://www.podomatic.com/podcasts/richieallen/episodes/2020-12-07T11_21_54-08_00

291500 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to Basics, #697 of 1754 🔗

Absolutely. This is essential.

291409 Margaret, replying to Margaret, 16, #698 of 1754 🔗

Robert Peston (@Peston) Tweeted: Did Boris Johnson order England’s coronavirus lockdown based on false data? https://t.co/Cf78tDMvc3
https://twitter.com/Peston/status/1336256704716136448?s=20

Has Peston become one of us now?

291418 ▶▶ Mayo, replying to Margaret, 1, #699 of 1754 🔗

You beat me to it. Sorry I posted before seeing your comment.

291427 ▶▶▶ Margaret, replying to Mayo, #700 of 1754 🔗

Not at all. It is worth repeating anyway!

291433 ▶▶▶▶ John P, replying to Margaret, -10, #701 of 1754 🔗

Fair enough, but would you have posted had you known I had already done it here about an hour ago and reproduced Peston’s comment in full?

291494 ▶▶▶▶▶ Be Unshakeable, replying to John P, 9, #702 of 1754 🔗

The P stands for Pedantic?

291560 ▶▶▶▶▶ Margaret, replying to John P, 1, #703 of 1754 🔗

No John, I wouldn’t have rained on your parade.

291428 ▶▶▶ John P, replying to Mayo, -9, #704 of 1754 🔗

I beat you both to it.

And I reproduced Peston’s comments in full.

291451 ▶▶▶▶ Margaret, replying to John P, 5, #705 of 1754 🔗

Sorry John, so you did. That’s the problem with the comments section-you read some of them, then go away. When you return, you end up scrolling through them again to check what you’ve missed. Sometimes it’s too much trouble!

291533 ▶▶▶▶▶ Edward, replying to Margaret, 5, #706 of 1754 🔗

Sometimes I read the comments from the oldest first, and sometimes from the newest first, and if there are a lot I might miss a bit in the middle. Nothing wrong with a bit of repetition. “Repetition Repetition Repetition” to bring in a gratuitous reference to The Fall.

291599 ▶▶▶▶ Mayo, replying to John P, #707 of 1754 🔗

Sorry to you and all those further down the blog who might have posted it.

291429 ▶▶ Anne Passman, replying to Margaret, 3, #708 of 1754 🔗

He’s doing well. Most of us came to the conclusion that lockdowns don’t work, the “science” was lies and the infection numbers are likewise lies, months ago. But you wouldn’t expect Peston to recognise the truth if it got up and bit him.

291436 ▶▶ FlynnQuill, replying to Margaret, 3, #709 of 1754 🔗

Penny f@cking dropped has it Robert?

291457 ▶▶ A. Contrarian, replying to Margaret, 6, #710 of 1754 🔗

Why has he only just realised this now? Where’s he been for the last 6 weeks?

291477 ▶▶▶ Liam, replying to A. Contrarian, 9, #711 of 1754 🔗

Last six weeks? You mean months shurely?

292031 ▶▶▶ Iansn, replying to A. Contrarian, -1, #712 of 1754 🔗

No he’s shitting himself incase his fave gastro pub will be shut in tier 3 in the run up to xmas, its not through care for his fellow citizen.

291417 Mayo, replying to Mayo, 13, #713 of 1754 🔗

Bloody hell! The idiot Peston is actually questioning the exaggerated infection numbers put out by SAGE & the government

https://www.itv.com/news/2020-12-08/covid-did-boris-johnson-order-englands-coronavirus-lockdown-based-on-false-data

291420 ▶▶ Be Unshakeable, replying to Mayo, 8, #714 of 1754 🔗

If Peston sees it, the jig is up. Jesus.

291454 ▶▶ calchas, replying to Mayo, 11, #715 of 1754 🔗

I trust nothing.

Why has he discovered this now ?

291484 ▶▶▶ Be Unshakeable, replying to calchas, 11, #716 of 1754 🔗

They have no integrity, they’re just professional panderers. With that in mind, hopefully he detects shifting public opinion and is trying to get ahead of it.

291497 ▶▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to calchas, 15, #717 of 1754 🔗

It’s amazing isn’t it. The sheer shock of the Politics Live presenter yesterday when Tice mentioned that a loaf of excess deaths in the ONS numbers were of people dying at home, non covid and all sorts of other non covids.

“Oh my God! Where did you get this information!?”

“ONS love.”

291518 ▶▶▶ Ceriain, replying to calchas, 3, #718 of 1754 🔗

Maybe Boris put his hand on HIS knee.

291849 ▶▶▶ David Grimbleby, replying to calchas, #719 of 1754 🔗

That is the ?

292019 ▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to calchas, 2, #720 of 1754 🔗

He’s 60. Suddenly decided the vaccine might be problematic now he’s in the firing line.

291535 ▶▶ Basileus, replying to Mayo, 1, #721 of 1754 🔗

Yes, it has been retweeted by JHB.

291544 ▶▶ Caramel, replying to Mayo, #722 of 1754 🔗

Who is Preston and how does his scepticism help us?

291549 ▶▶▶ anon, replying to Caramel, 4, #723 of 1754 🔗

spooky ‘journalist’ in gulag uk

used to be abbc

291545 ▶▶ Jonathan Palmer, replying to Mayo, 5, #724 of 1754 🔗

How long would have this lasted if the media had done its job instead of being Government mouthpieces

291559 ▶▶ Ben, replying to Mayo, 6, #725 of 1754 🔗

Peston is a tool of the establishment. He will only go so far

292025 ▶▶▶ Iansn, replying to Ben, 3, #726 of 1754 🔗

You only needed the first four words, the rest is a waste of ink 🙂

291845 ▶▶ arfurmo, replying to Mayo, 1, #727 of 1754 🔗

What were the figures that Bojo used to justify lockdown,please?

292020 ▶▶ Iansn, replying to Mayo, 2, #728 of 1754 🔗

https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.11.22.20236422v1.full.pdf This is from Prof Hunter who made the statement about London going to T3. I had an email chat with him this morning. He was very nice and answered most of my questions. The data is the same pretty well as Imperial who’s data got Boris to lockdown. He said his came out after imperials. He did say he opposes lockdowns but nbacks the hardened tiers, I quizzed him on how come the cases went down during lock down.
Quote ‘If lockdowns and severe restrictions are effective as you claim, why then did the cases increase during lockdown, as because of the increase you are now asking for further restrictions. This makes no sense whatsoever. Restrictions increase infections, therefore, we need more restrictions. Can you, besides the evidence provided by NHS and the publicly available data, offer your reasoning that because restrictions cases increased, we need more restrictions. The NHS in London is running well below normal capacity, the Nightingale hospital is empty, so please don’t quote saving the NHS. I put it to you that your reasoning is a busted flush and has been shown so by the fact that in most areas during the second lockdown cases were decreasing before and continued to decrease during lockdown. It is a natural virus cycle that measures have failed to stop including during the first lockdown.

Answer ‘Firstly I did not say that restrictions should be tightened in London, but that “we do need to reconsider the Tier allocation in these areas”. Is what I actually said.

Secondly it is nonsense to suggest that restrictions increase transmission and I certainly did not suggest this. Across the country the National lockdown was associated with a fairly dramatic decline in cases (see graph below), but the benefit was undermined in many areas because of a surge of cases in early November. This was most obvious in London.’ I said the graphs showed a small spike not a surge, as indeed they do.

I have come to the conclusion that they are all looking backwards to see forwards, without ever checking reality you know as that might spoil the outcome of their study. They have to produce to get paid, so they never add an addendum that says, by the way it was all out of date before it was published and it didnt go as promised, so its worthless.

I finished my last missive with

Him ‘”In around half of the local authorities in Tier 2 were still seeing exponential growth”.

Me I have looked at graphs for the term expotential growth, I found lots of medical ones they all look like the one attached, which is the trajectory of the infections in March/early April. We have seen no expotential growth ( f ( x )=2 x .) since then, only self limiting growth curves nowhere near f ( x )=2 x . in cases and certainly not in deaths. If you can point me at anything since April that shows an expotential curve I would appreciate it as I cannot see one anywhere in the available data. The word expotential should only be used in exceptional circumstances, yet it is tossed into statements all the time again without context, unless of course it is used to illustrate Professor Fergusons death charts, where 4000=400 in the real world.
The public would be far better informed and less terrified if context was used in all statements and graphs overlaying current figures over past years etc, unless it is being used to frighten gullible people to death, (which in many thousands of cases has been literally true).
I am counting the days till freedom arrives because it will soon. We cannot be defined by this endemic virus, no more than we can be by flu. I think scientists like yourself should start to think about changing the message to something like this and enlighten the populus. Risk assessment is an everyday part of life as is being informed, it is an indivdual’s responsibility, not that of well intentioned (or perhaps not?) senior health advisors and this excuse for a government( I’m a life long tory voter).’

291419 Victoria, replying to Victoria, 9, #729 of 1754 🔗

[Covid] Not the First Hoax — Practice Makes Perfect
Pandemics have come and gone around the globe for centuries, but in recent history they’ve been used as points of manipulation that have profited corporations, particularly pharmaceutical companies.

The 2005 bird flu epidemic , for example, was predicted to kill from 2 million to 150 million people. It killed just 98 people, globally, in 2005, 115 in 2006 and 86 in 2007. No one in the U.S. died from this infection. The brazenness of the hoax prompted me to write my New York Times best seller book “The Great Bird Flu Hoax.”

In 2006 , 2007 and again in 2008, hyped warnings over the bird flu were repeatedly exposed as little more than a cruel hoax, designed to instill fear and line the pocketbooks of industry and various vested individuals. In 2009, there was the swine flu hoax, the vaccination campaign for which, as mentioned, turned into a disaster.

The summer of 2012 was again filled with dire predictions of bird flu sufficiently mutating to cause a human pandemic, immediately followed by urgent calls for fast-tracked vaccines. None of these pandemics ever turned into global killers, and COVID-19 is no different. As mentioned earlier, there’s no evidence of excess deaths due to this novel virus.

The COVID-19 pandemic differs from previous ones , however, in that it’s being used not just to enrich drug companies and justify the existence of gain-of-function research, but also to usher in a “reset” of the entire global economy by the technocrats. While failing economies around the world are blamed on the pandemic, the central bank system has been faltering for some time and is now on its last leg.

The global debt load is now so high, countries cannot even pay off the interest, and thus the system no longer works. It needs to be “reset,” but rather than ditching the central bank system and resetting it to something stable (such as returning to a gold-backed system), the technocrats in charge are ushering in an all-digital centralized currency that will give them total control over the finances of every human on earth.

What’s more, the economic reset is only one part of this all-encompassing totalitarian takeover. The COVID-19 vaccine fits into the scheme by providing an excuse to track and trace everyone’s whereabouts, and connect this medical surveillance together with the digital economy. You can learn more about this in “ What You Need to Know About the Great Reset .”

https://articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2020/12/08/coronavirus-vaccine-side-effects.aspx

291558 ▶▶ Ben, replying to Victoria, 2, #730 of 1754 🔗

There was also a similar ‘Plandemic’ in the 70s in the United States. There are videos on YouTube. The same play book was used. Claims for injury etc.. Quite astounding how short collective human memory is

291424 charleyfarley, replying to charleyfarley, 61, #731 of 1754 🔗

Took my car to my usual garage this morning for an MOT. The owner said I wasn’t allowed to wait in the waiting room because covid but I was welcome to sit in the unheated (it was 3 degrees outside) plastic “pod” on the forecourt. There were no other customers or workmen in sight. This pod looked like a cross between a small Wendy house and a dog kennel.

After a brief exchange during which I told him that this was the mentality that was keeping the current hysteria going I told him I was taking my business elsewhere and left.

291435 ▶▶ Sodastream, replying to charleyfarley, 12, #732 of 1754 🔗

Good for you!

291498 ▶▶ jb12, replying to charleyfarley, 7, #733 of 1754 🔗

Yes, good for you!

291432 Sodastream, replying to Sodastream, 24, #734 of 1754 🔗

Today’s experience of visiting an out of town retail outlet:
I only went as I had a voucher needed spending in build a bear before they end up going bust. Avoiding shops as much as I can as feel like I’m in a horror film.
So off I went.
Molten Brown: no mention of me being bare faced but masked staff keenly sanitising everything at all times. 🙄
Yankee candle: no mention of my bare face. Staff pleasant despite being masked.
Costa for a takeaway coffee: not good as told to maintain social distance to the person in the queue in front of me, not by the person in the queue but by a masked gestapo staff who’s sole purpose was that. So I walked out.
200degree coffee shop: Great! Staff unmasked (behind Perspex) happy to serve me and happy unmasked faces! It meant so much after the whole rest of everyone else in the entire park was masked permanently even outdoors.
Build a bear: sign saying wait u till staff come and get you from the door! So I just walked in as only 2 customers in the whole shop. The staff wear teddy bear masks!! I didn’t know whether to laugh or weep.. but no mention of mask or sanitizer and got the voucher spent.
Adidas: dreadful as I committed the crime of walking in the out door! So I was chased by the door gestapo. Asked wear my mask was (first and only shop to ask ) and told that I’d walked through the wrong door. She said can I ask that you put hand sanitizer? I said yes you can ask and then I walked out.
Joules: dreadful. Not allowed entry without the hand sanitizer that the door gestapo puts on the customer! I said I’ll politely decline as I have an allergy to it. She said well you can’t touch ANYTHING then. I said so I’m not allowed in then if I don’t allow you to put it on me then? Even though I’m allergic to it? That flummoxed her as no doubt every else lets her ‘do her job’ of sanitising their paws. She said ‘it’s joules policy’ I said well you’ve just lost a customer.
Back to online shopping.

291459 ▶▶ JHuntz, replying to Sodastream, 19, #735 of 1754 🔗

This report really vindicates my reasons for not wanting to shop over the last 9 months. Sounds like a miserable experience.

291483 ▶▶▶ KBuchanan, replying to JHuntz, 11, #736 of 1754 🔗

Same here, as luck would have it have mainly shopped online for groceries for years ( working long hours and find it better for sticking to a shopping budget). But I will not shop in any store that treats me like I have the plague , I suspect there are a lot like me and the only reason shop sales haven’t dropped off a cliff is the extra Xmas boost. Wait til the new year and see reality hit retail management.

291496 ▶▶▶▶ John P, replying to KBuchanan, 10, #737 of 1754 🔗

IMO you should shop regulary in public without a mask.

Those of us with balls could do with a bit of support from fellow sceptics.

291502 ▶▶▶▶▶ KBuchanan, replying to John P, 6, #738 of 1754 🔗

I’ve done it a couple of times only ( just some family stress going on at the moment) intend to be braver about it in the new year. I’m frankly so pissed off with some of my family and friends I’m at the point where I no longer care.

291505 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ John P, replying to KBuchanan, 7, #739 of 1754 🔗

It’s not so bad once you’ve done it a few times.

As I said, nobody has ever said anything to me – at least not so far.

291517 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Be Unshakeable, replying to KBuchanan, 13, #740 of 1754 🔗

I live in an area with a large asian population. Thankfully none of them give a shit, so it isn’t unusual to see loads of people without the duncemuzzle in the shops.

Alternatively, wear this:
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291489 ▶▶▶ John P, replying to JHuntz, 10, #741 of 1754 🔗

It is a miserable experience, but that is no reason not to do it.

I think it is important to regularly show your face in public.

I have never been prevented from entering a shop, never been forced to hand sanitise and I have never been stopped or questioned for not wearing a mask.

291550 ▶▶▶▶ JHuntz, replying to John P, 3, #742 of 1754 🔗

I still go to the suppermarkets but can’t deny i’ve not limited my frequency generally. Moreso, I don’t have much to buy being locked down.

291479 ▶▶ Alan P, replying to Sodastream, 17, #743 of 1754 🔗

I carry a 2 metre tape measure with me. When anyone starts on about social distance I offer them to hold one end of tape and extend it and ask if that satisfies them? Strange, they never seem to accept.

291490 ▶▶ Thomas_E, replying to Sodastream, 19, #744 of 1754 🔗

I still go out shopping as I work in C London and sometimes I just like to see things in person and not provide Amazon with additional profit. Any shop I ever go to and get challenged for a mask, I stop going there immediately. Luckily so far I had good experiences and the tailor I go to wears a mask himself but has an attitude as the sir prefers. And that is why he gets my custom .. So far on my Blacklist are Zara, The Ginger Pig in Borough Market plus other but I can’t remember right now.

Never give up, never wear a mask as it needs to dawn on them that THEY ARE the ones that look weird and abnormal, not you showing your face. Fuck them

292001 ▶▶▶ watashi, replying to Thomas_E, 1, #745 of 1754 🔗

This is my policy too. I don’t go back to places that are discriminatory. I take my cash elsewhere.

292310 ▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to Thomas_E, #746 of 1754 🔗

Not surprised about Zara. They’re Spanish owned and they seem to be very evangelical about the muzzles.

Ditto the likes of Bimba y Lola and Mango.

291495 ▶▶ Two-Six, replying to Sodastream, 12, #747 of 1754 🔗

Fuck all this covid bollocks, fuck these shops. They were shit anyway.

291499 ▶▶▶ John P, replying to Two-Six, 1, #748 of 1754 🔗

I’m sure Jeff Bezos agrees.

291503 ▶▶▶▶ Two-Six, replying to John P, 4, #749 of 1754 🔗

I don’t buy from amazon. ever

291509 ▶▶▶▶▶ John P, replying to Two-Six, -2, #750 of 1754 🔗

Big garden?

291527 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Two-Six, replying to John P, 1, #751 of 1754 🔗

whats that got to do with anything? and no, its a small garden, packed with things to eat in the summer

291556 ▶▶▶▶▶ JHuntz, replying to Two-Six, #752 of 1754 🔗

I do unfortunately. I just can’t help the pull of it bit like the below:-

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hq7ysA7agNE&ab_channel=CartoonCentral

291997 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Two-Six, replying to JHuntz, #753 of 1754 🔗

Thanks for the link that mad me laugh too.
“haha that’s 10 bucks you owe me!”

292313 ▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to Sodastream, #754 of 1754 🔗

Looks like a mixed bag. Have been avoiding Costa, from my experience Caffe Nero has been better – no problems with me being not muzzled and they’re not anal about antisocial distancing and santising.

291434 JohnB, replying to JohnB, 15, #755 of 1754 🔗

I received an email from our local bridge club this morning –

“Stay safe through the (un)festive season, and please accept the vaccination when it’s offered.”.

Suggestions re nature and content of reply appreciated …

291449 ▶▶ Doodle, replying to JohnB, 9, #756 of 1754 🔗

I think you’ll only require two words.

291456 ▶▶ Monty Bodkin, replying to JohnB, 18, #757 of 1754 🔗

Biker could probably help with this.

291471 ▶▶ The Filthy Engineer, replying to JohnB, 4, #758 of 1754 🔗

Arkell vs Pressdram…

291615 ▶▶▶ James H, replying to The Filthy Engineer, 1, #759 of 1754 🔗

Now that came from the days when the Eye really offered an alternative voice. Nowadays it just reads like another Establishment mouthpiece. The veneer has worn very thin.

291476 ▶▶ Julian, replying to JohnB, 11, #760 of 1754 🔗

As someone involved in managing a business, I have strongly pushed the line that as an employer we should not get involved in the personal health decisions of our employees. I think the same would apply to anyone involving in running a club or any other organisation. It’s none of their business, and a potential minefield.

291480 ▶▶ anon, replying to JohnB, 1, #761 of 1754 🔗

ask them how much bull gates bunged them

291501 ▶▶ Ewan Duffy, replying to JohnB, 4, #762 of 1754 🔗

Ask them if a vaccine is taken by a member on foot of that suggestion and said member is injured, do they have an insurance policy to cover the costs of that bad advice?

291511 ▶▶ Victoria, replying to JohnB, 5, #763 of 1754 🔗

Maybe something like if I experience debilitating side effects from this vaccine I will surely take you to court for coercion as you told me to take an unlicensed vaccine that was not properly tested

291551 ▶▶▶ Ben, replying to Victoria, 1, #764 of 1754 🔗

Excellent

291536 ▶▶ Keen Cook, replying to JohnB, 1, #765 of 1754 🔗

The other option is to brazenly lie – I’ve had the virus, had the test, so I don’t need the vaccine (IMO fortunately). I don’t lie as a habit but I could see myself in certain situations becoming more economical with the truth. What do you think?
Of course, even if you’ve had the virus it’s now expected you need to get the jab which is clearly mad from a biological perspective.

291548 ▶▶ Ben, replying to JohnB, 4, #766 of 1754 🔗

‘Thank you bridge club, but I’d rather live my life whilst I’m alive than to stay in a health destroying prison of safety. And I have no intention of taking an indemnified vaccine. Thanks all same’

291566 ▶▶ Bella, replying to JohnB, 2, #767 of 1754 🔗

‘Fuck all to do with you sunshine.’

291569 ▶▶▶ Bella, replying to Bella, 1, #768 of 1754 🔗

That’s to your bridge club John, not you!

291576 ▶▶ Be Unshakeable, replying to JohnB, 1, #769 of 1754 🔗

Shan’t.

291998 ▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to Be Unshakeable, 3, #770 of 1754 🔗

Thank you all.

The thing is, I know the guy who sent it is (a) intelligent and (b) in normal times, a good guy.

From a stranger, ‘make love elsewhere’ would be automatic.

From a half-way entity, e.g. employer/council/neighbourhood organisation, my response would be formal, awkward, and legalistic.

I think I shall be going with something along the lines of “Thanks ****, but I don’t see an experimental vaccine for a completely overblown respiratory virus as in any way sensible. More concerned about the police state, shattered economy, and traumatised fellow citizens.”.

292080 ▶▶ OKUK, replying to JohnB, #771 of 1754 🔗

North, West, South and East
I will not bow before the Beast.

291445 Doodle, replying to Doodle, 6, #772 of 1754 🔗

What’s that coming over the hill?
Is it a monster? Is it a monster?

No it’s our favourite from the WEF Klaus Barbie Strangelove looking into his crystal ball.

“Ze cloudz are parting und zumzing is forming. Ah yez, I zee it all now. It iz a chriziz of unimaginable size that makes ze kurrant virus pandemic a valk in ze park. Vich, inzidentally you are not allowed to do. Koming zoon to a vorld near you.”

https://www.bitchute.com/video/7jdzaIvviv0x/

The Iceage Farmer shows the next phase in the demolition of the West.

Also showing, the coming food shortages.

https://www.bitchute.com/video/vOcT1hozYX8X/

Smile they said, for things could be worse. So I smiled and they were.

291452 ▶▶ JHuntz, replying to Doodle, #773 of 1754 🔗

vezy interezting

291458 ▶▶▶ Ceriain, replying to JHuntz, 1, #774 of 1754 🔗

“… but stupid”

One for the real oldies. 😉

291468 ▶▶▶▶ Alan P, replying to Ceriain, 1, #775 of 1754 🔗

Rowan & Martin- yes?

291507 ▶▶▶▶▶ Ceriain, replying to Alan P, #776 of 1754 🔗

I used to watch it with my dad. 😉

291485 ▶▶▶▶ Graham3, replying to Ceriain, 1, #777 of 1754 🔗

I want some milk and cookies.
(same era)

291563 ▶▶ Bella, replying to Doodle, -1, #778 of 1754 🔗

More fearmongering

291453 Ceriain, replying to Ceriain, 17, #779 of 1754 🔗

Re. the lead story above the line about London going into Tier 3:

“The Government must consider placing London in Tier 3 restrictions, scientists have said, after 21 out of the 32 boroughs showed worrying rises in cases.”

I posted on the 11th of November about the mass testing to begin in London and listed the 20 boroughs where mass testing was to be carried out. https://lockdownsceptics.org/2020/11/10/latest-news-189/#comment-240241

I wonder if the places with the biggest increases leading to the calls for Tier 3 are anything like the list below.

Here’s the list:

Barking and Dagenham
Bexley
Brent
Camden
Enfield
Greenwich
Hackney
Hammersmith and Fulham
Islington
Kensington and Chelsea
Kingston upon Thames
Lambeth
Lewisham
Newham
Redbridge
Richmond upon Thames
Southwark
Tower Hamlets
Waltham Forest
Wandsworth

Set up!

291482 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to Ceriain, 1, #780 of 1754 🔗

It’s all about comoliance now. The selective tactics of police is another example.

291521 ▶▶ Jonathan Palmer, replying to Ceriain, 8, #781 of 1754 🔗

Leicester was the template for this and they rolled it out across the country.
Anyone who believes this is down to incompetence please explain this.

291608 ▶▶▶ Julian, replying to Jonathan Palmer, 6, #782 of 1754 🔗

Not incompetence (though thankfully they are less good at this than their Chinese inspiration) – dishonesty, greed, cowardice, lust for power – really just fairly standard politics except they are getting away with much more serious wickedness because of the fear-induced compliance instilled in the population by their only truly competent arm – the propaganda unit.

291653 ▶▶▶▶ Jonathan Palmer, replying to Julian, 5, #783 of 1754 🔗

It was a way of maintaining fear until the rollout of the vaccine.It shows the the governments intention was never benign and they are prepared to sacrifice lives and livelihoods in pursuit of their goals.

291640 ▶▶ alw, replying to Ceriain, 1, #784 of 1754 🔗

Rates down in Camden and Islington. There has been no testing in either. I live in the borough of Camden and on of my sons in Islington. The other son lives in Hackney and is not aware of any of his friends who have had the virus.

291985 ▶▶ Iansn, replying to Ceriain, 1, #785 of 1754 🔗

https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/details/interactive-map zoom in to London and click on the boroughs you can see where the miscreants are hiding.Most areas are already going down, the peak as a week + ago.

292066 ▶▶▶ Ceriain, replying to Iansn, 1, #786 of 1754 🔗

Yeah, I know about that; thanks, ian. 🙂

Whole thing is just a piss-tske.

291481 Smelly Melly, replying to Smelly Melly, 47, #787 of 1754 🔗

I have type2 diabetes (controlled by diet) and the other week I had (or didn’t have) my yearly check. Got to the door of the doctors to have my temperature checked but refused to wear a nappy. The receptionist lied and said it’s mandatory to wear masks so I showed my exemption card. The nurse came out and said I couldn’t be seen without a mask, so I walked out.

Had a call from the practice manager, asking why I was rude to the nurse. Said I wasn’t rude but won’t wear a mask and I was wearing my exemption card. Anyway I got another appointment but in the “hot room”.

This morning I had my appointment but had to go through the side door into an “isolation” room. The experience wasn’t too bad, nurse masked, gloved and aproned. I was expecting worse.

However, I noted the waiting room was virtually empty again. The last time I was there I was the only person in the waiting room for 20 minutes at 9:30 am midweek. Back in July and August I had 2 appointments in the counties largest hospital and on both occasions it was virtually deserted.

The NHS is not being overwhelmed, it’s keeping the fear going.

291491 ▶▶ KBuchanan, replying to Smelly Melly, 28, #788 of 1754 🔗

It’s the lack of NHS staff blowing the whistle that really sickens me. They are just as culpable as the government.

291520 ▶▶▶ RickH, replying to KBuchanan, 2, #789 of 1754 🔗

No they aren’t. It’s much more complicated.

291580 ▶▶▶▶ Saved To Death, replying to RickH, 9, #790 of 1754 🔗

If anything the are more culpable. Without their enthusiastic order following the government simply would not be capable of making this a reality.

291598 ▶▶▶▶ Julian, replying to RickH, 3, #791 of 1754 🔗

Possibly – but please elaborate. The NHS and its place in our lives and in politics has played a central role in this, would be interested in your thoughts on it.

291529 ▶▶ Steve Hayes, replying to Smelly Melly, 1, #792 of 1754 🔗

Professor Powiss, NHS Medical Director, was on the news this morning. He stated that the NHS staff have been working flat out throughout this pandemic.

291585 ▶▶▶ Saved To Death, replying to Steve Hayes, 14, #793 of 1754 🔗

Flat out insisting on unnecessary testing, pointless PPE and turning away people in need of medical care. Next amazing feat to be rolling out unnecessary and potentially harmful vaccination while doing their part to ensure people are sufficiently well terrorised to take it.

292229 ▶▶▶▶ Ben, replying to Saved To Death, 2, #794 of 1754 🔗

Yep. All possible because a big chunk of the human population is scientifically illiterate and/or too intellectually lazy to investigate. They trust that nice woman on the tele

291626 ▶▶▶ TJS123, replying to Steve Hayes, 12, #795 of 1754 🔗

Many have. I have worked so many extra hours trying to look after my particular cohort of vulnerable patients, fighting to be allowed to see them face to face (successfully) and trying to spread the word about the lack of proportional response. Fine line though, and if I get sacked my patients won’t get any care at all and this is why we don’t all rebel in the way that some on here would like – in exactly the same way as the lockdown response causes harm,, the adverse effects on patients would be greater if people like me lost their jobs . It is indeed complicated and I am quite tired of the unevidenced NHS front line staff bashing that I see on here. I wouldn’t have expected it from an intelligent bunch of people.

291641 ▶▶▶▶ Kate, replying to TJS123, 1, #796 of 1754 🔗

Well said, I too am upset by the anti NHS rubbish here.

291654 ▶▶▶▶▶ DeepBlueYonder, replying to Kate, 14, #797 of 1754 🔗

I think much of the disappointment towards the NHS is directed at its executive and senior management. My own view of the NHS has been shattered.

291531 ▶▶ Tom Blackburn, replying to Smelly Melly, 7, #798 of 1754 🔗

You must report this to your local PALS. Other people are being denied much more vital health services. It needs to stop, pronto.

291552 ▶▶ Alan P, replying to Smelly Melly, 9, #799 of 1754 🔗

Snap! Got same treatment for eye screening last week. NHS are offering an appalling service. They have succumbed to the Covid hysteria big time. Dunno if it’s because they’re closer to the front line and therefore hermetically sealed in the bubble, but they seriously need to look beyond cv19.

291629 ▶▶▶ alw, replying to Alan P, 5, #800 of 1754 🔗

NHS dental treatment a joke at the moment. OTT on precautions eg leave your handbag in a box outside the surgery door. However private dentistry, proportionate, hanger for your coat and unintrusive.

291565 ▶▶ Janice21, replying to Smelly Melly, 16, #801 of 1754 🔗

My son was referred in March to Speech and Language. We had one assessment over the phone in June where the girl concluded that he simply has a mild speech delay and asked us to ring in a few months time. Sons speech not getting much better so rang her in November and we had a Zoom assessment with my son present which lasted about 20 mins. It was complete and utter bollocks and she couldn’t provide us with any sort of help or assistance at all. He is only 2 years and 9 months and needs face to face assistance for his speech, none of this zoom shite. But of course because of Covid he can’t get it. So angry.

291591 ▶▶▶ bluemoon, replying to Janice21, 2, #802 of 1754 🔗

Obviously I can’t know your son’s problems, but quite a few boys don’t start to talk until they’re 4 or 5 years old.

291636 ▶▶▶▶ Janice21, replying to bluemoon, 5, #803 of 1754 🔗

Thanks Bluemoon, I am not overly concerned to be honest and he is trying to talk, understands language, follows instructions, he actually knows his colours but can’t state them clearly. I do think it will be a case of delayed speech, but know that some face to face professional assistance with help him.
What annoyed me the most was she said it could be one of 3 things, 1 of which is autism and asked where we concerned about that, to which we replied not at all. I will be furious if she tried to label him and refer him on because of a 20 min zoom call.

291622 ▶▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to Janice21, 2, #804 of 1754 🔗

Absolutely ridiculous. They don’t care really.

291820 ▶▶▶ Marialta, replying to Janice21, 4, #805 of 1754 🔗

I know how demoralising this Zoom service is as I care for my grandson with cerebral palsy. First it was a Zoom special educational needs assessment (EHCP) in the spring (3 hrs with 7 professionals online!) The Zoom physiotherapy is pathetic. His therapy centres all closed and even his nursery refused to open for months even for the SEN children. It is an absolute scandal how poorly parents of children with special needs are being treated. I suggest you make a complaint through PALS and ask for a different SALT person.
The other way to go is private if you can afford it as children cannot wait indefinitely – every month matters at this crucial age of development.

291665 ▶▶ thinkaboutit, replying to Smelly Melly, 19, #806 of 1754 🔗

Ok here goes. I have a relative given an urgent referral to our local hospital for IBD treatment. He can’t eat anything as the symptoms are so severe. Hospital website says they process you within 5 working days. Over 2 weeks later he gets a message to contact an IBD information line. He doesn’t need information, he needs treatment.
Last time he was ill he had to be blue lighted to hospital and had 2 weeks on the cardiac ward, his potassium was so low it affected his heart. This could easily happen again, or he’ll just die slowly of starvation. Clearly his life doesn’t matter.
He is now so worn down he can’t fight the system any longer. He is in constant pain, shitting blood and they want him to phone a fucking helpline. This is my son. I am so angry I hate the NHS. Fuck them all.

291688 ▶▶ Banjones, replying to Smelly Melly, 4, #807 of 1754 🔗

I wonder if they feel silly, in their NBC/hazmat get-up, knowing (as surely they must) that this virus is not only mild but also fast-vanishing?

291493 kf99, 2, #808 of 1754 🔗

Douglas Ross on the FT podcast (at about 18:30) thinks the daily Seaweed show will stop in the new year…

I’m not so sure. How about the lectern replaced by a sofa.. a few z-list guests – it could be “This Morningside” or “Peebles Mill at One”

291512 Seamonster, replying to Seamonster, 20, #809 of 1754 🔗

Did anyone see wancock crying on tv …that has pissed me off beyond belief. Filthy virtue signalling , life ruining cxxx.

291519 ▶▶ Basileus, replying to Seamonster, 4, #810 of 1754 🔗

Only saw the stills. Couldn’t bear to watch.

291524 ▶▶▶ Tom Blackburn, replying to Basileus, 9, #811 of 1754 🔗

I don’t know how anyone can see that and think ‘this man is genuine’?

291532 ▶▶▶▶ Bella, replying to Tom Blackburn, 8, #812 of 1754 🔗

You only have to look at him to know he’s not genuine

291537 ▶▶▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Bella, 7, #813 of 1754 🔗

Definitely crying with laughter:

https://metro.co.uk/2020/12/08/body-language-expert-gives-her-verdict-on-matt-hancocks-tears-13718879/

“It’s been a tough year for so many people hahahahaha!”

291525 ▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Basileus, 2, #814 of 1754 🔗

Watch UK Column tear his performance to shreds last week:

https://youtu.be/6bfhAe8zVf0?t=89

291523 ▶▶ Steve Hayes, replying to Seamonster, 8, #815 of 1754 🔗

He was pretending to cry in order to disguise a laugh response.

291606 ▶▶▶ Sam Vimes, replying to Steve Hayes, 4, #816 of 1754 🔗

Clearly laughing. As they have been throughout.

291589 ▶▶ Mabel Cow, replying to Seamonster, 11, #817 of 1754 🔗

I had the subtitles switched on and managed to get a screenshot.

291817 ▶▶▶ Be Unshakeable, replying to Mabel Cow, 3, #818 of 1754 🔗

The tears of a clown.

291646 ▶▶ Jonathan Palmer, replying to Seamonster, 7, #819 of 1754 🔗

If he is willing to lie to the House of Commons about his dead “relative” then a fake tear on tv is no problem.

291513 Cheezilla, replying to Cheezilla, 3, #820 of 1754 🔗

Just when you thought vaccine mania couldn’t get any crazier:

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/dec/08/covid-mixed-vaccine-trial-likely-to-begin-in-uk-next-month

Those who take part in January’s trial will get one shot of AstraZeneca’s vaccine and one of the Pfizer injection. A vaccine from US biotech firm Moderna will also be included if it gets approval.

291526 ▶▶ Victoria, replying to Cheezilla, 10, #821 of 1754 🔗

At least then we will not be able to prove which of the two vaccines caused the disablement or death….

291528 ▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Victoria, 6, #822 of 1754 🔗

It was the cytokine storm that did it your honour.

291547 ▶▶▶ JHuntz, replying to Victoria, 1, #823 of 1754 🔗

No, covid did it of course

291582 ▶▶▶ chaos, replying to Victoria, 5, #824 of 1754 🔗

If it makes your balls unfeasibly big like that Buster Gonad chap in Viz I might risk it just for the crack. Imagine the smiles beneath the masks of the customers as you wheel your balls in to the pub in a wheelbarrow for a scotch egg and a pint.

Alternatively I’ll settle for web-slinging spidey powers or x-ray vision.

292664 ▶▶▶ richard riewer, replying to Victoria, #825 of 1754 🔗

Like the shell game.

291541 ▶▶ Mabel Cow, replying to Cheezilla, 8, #826 of 1754 🔗

Er, what now? We’re not supposed to stop taking antibiotics halfway through a course, but it’s OK to chop and change between barely-tested experimental nano-tech government injectables?

291546 ▶▶ JHuntz, replying to Cheezilla, 7, #827 of 1754 🔗

You put your pfizer vac in,
Your pfizer vac out:
In, out, in, out, shake it all about.
You do the vacey cokey,
And you turn around.
That’s what it’s all about!

Oh, the vacey cokey, cokey.
Oh, the vacey cokey, cokey.
Oh, the vacey cokey, cokey.
Knees bent, arms stretched rah, rah, rah.

You put your astra vac in,
Your astra vac out:
In, out, in, out, shake it all about.
You do the vacey cokey,
And you turn around.
That’s what it’s all about!

291612 ▶▶ Seansaighdeoir, replying to Cheezilla, #828 of 1754 🔗

BOGOFF!

291758 ▶▶ Ben, replying to Cheezilla, 1, #829 of 1754 🔗

This is just a pharma cash grab

291776 ▶▶ Marialta, replying to Cheezilla, 1, #830 of 1754 🔗

Yes I mentioned that early this morning as it was on Radio 4. They’re taking the piss – why not try x3 flavours at once? One might ‘work’ on your mild symptoms ….

291815 ▶▶ A. Contrarian, replying to Cheezilla, 1, #831 of 1754 🔗

Yay! Vaccine potluck! What could go wrong.

291964 ▶▶ Iansn, replying to Cheezilla, #832 of 1754 🔗

they havent got enough of the pfizer stuff due to a QC problem reducing the first batch by half, so mix n match will do, as of course its all been carefully tested for comaptibility, hasn’t it, especially the bit where it says not to be taken with other medications on the label. These fuckers are all criminally insane

292663 ▶▶ richard riewer, replying to Cheezilla, #833 of 1754 🔗

3 for the price of one? No thanks. Don’t dig your McDo style value meal.

291514 RickH, replying to RickH, 13, #834 of 1754 🔗

Note the latest ONS all-cause mortality figure (Week 48)

As predicted – the autumn surge looks to be levelling off – at just a bit more than 1/4 of the Chuckle Brothers Fear scenario. I predicted a weekly mortality rate of ~12,500 without a GI>GO bit of code. ‘Nuff said.

… and yet this bunch of SAGE/Imperial clowns still gets listened to

291574 ▶▶ Julian, replying to RickH, 2, #835 of 1754 🔗

They get listened to because of the mass brainwashing undertaken by the government and other forces of evil, which enables the government and their advisors to get away with lying to us

Any death from/with covid is now deemed one too many, regardless of whether it represents anything unusual

People need to be unbrainwashed by a huge campaign of simple, basic, well chosen information showing mortality and your chances of dying of anything but covid then your chances of dying from covid

The consortium of rich and powerful people I had hoped would form to fund such a campaign has not materialised, and all the efforts are amateur and doomed to fail because we are so badly outgunned.

I think it’s too late now – the vaccine has given them the cover they need

291679 ▶▶▶ RickH, replying to Julian, 1, #836 of 1754 🔗

I fear that you are right, Julian. I know some posters here express optimism re. a changing public response – but at the very core of the belief that the SPI-B stuff has inculcated, I don’t see any massive change, I’m afraid – and the vaccine propaganda is coming on strongly now.

291690 ▶▶ Banjones, replying to RickH, 1, #837 of 1754 🔗

Ivor Cummins did a good round-up of the figures a couple of days ago.

291694 ▶▶▶ Bella Donna, replying to Banjones, #838 of 1754 🔗

Ivor Cummins is a real hero too.

291534 Ben, replying to Ben, 18, #839 of 1754 🔗

‘Cancel Culture’ has never been more evident than in the nazi-esque, book-burning glutton fest removal of content from Facebook, Instagram, Twitter, YouTube, Guardian comments

My memory of 2020 will be of blank screens on YouTube

291607 ▶▶ Be Unshakeable, replying to Ben, 3, #840 of 1754 🔗

All of these entitled corporations seem to think that customers are a right, not a priviledge. Besides that, many of them have very close links to government, so they pump the Kool Aid relentlessly.

Did you know that US intelligence services used Facebook to train facial and relational recognition software? Hard to believe for some, so it’s just as well they admitted it themselves. Not to mention the advertising algos that get fed data from social media.

Remember, if a service is free, you are the product.

It’s a shame more people haven’t read ‘Propaganda’ by Edward Bernays.

292666 ▶▶▶ richard riewer, replying to Be Unshakeable, #841 of 1754 🔗

Jacques Ellul wrote a book titled ‘Propaganda’ in 1962.

292665 ▶▶ richard riewer, replying to Ben, #842 of 1754 🔗

We should call it GoogleTube. Or CensorTube. Or …?

291567 chaos, 10, #843 of 1754 🔗

Who’d have thought that what 56 year old Boris Kemal meant when he said ‘oven-ready brexit’ would actually be a quasi-mix of North Korean control, unworkable green ‘hunger-games’ socialism, and his 32 year old posho theatre-studies green tree-hugger girlfriend and unmarried mother of his child dictating the direction of the country.

291573 Steve Hayes, replying to Steve Hayes, 5, #844 of 1754 🔗

Why is it that no one seems to be at all concerned that the Pfizer vaccine was developed without having cultured the virus? The silence on this is deafening.

291613 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to Steve Hayes, 1, #845 of 1754 🔗

It’s a very technical issue. Many Epidemiologists and Virologists, sceptics of course, will say it has been. Others say it doesn’t have to be exactly as its a virus we are dealing with and the Koch postulates are not required, or can be loosened. I simply cannot understand how you can get to the bottom of it due to not being versed in the science. Have you any good articles that explains it?

291681 ▶▶▶ JHuntz, replying to BeBopRockSteady, #846 of 1754 🔗

Just trust the science guys. that is the new religion after all.

291829 ▶▶▶ Steve Hayes, replying to BeBopRockSteady, #847 of 1754 🔗

Pfizer said they developed their vaccine without having cultured the virus. They said they simply read the genetic code, as provided to the World Health Organisation by China. This has nothing to do with Koch’s postulates. A vaccine is the infectious agent in an attenuated form, which enables the individual’s immune system to recognise the infectious agent and create defences without the individual getting ill. What Pfizer’s admission means is the whatever their claimed vaccine is, it is not a vaccine.

291691 ▶▶ Bella Donna, replying to Steve Hayes, #848 of 1754 🔗

I reckon most of them haven’t bothered reading up on it.

291724 ▶▶▶ JHuntz, replying to Bella Donna, #849 of 1754 🔗

all of them*

291578 steve_w, replying to steve_w, #850 of 1754 🔗

I suppose its just a matter of time before someone dies after being vaccinated – whether its the vaccine, old age or whatever. Being what they are, people will blame the vaccine

291602 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to steve_w, #851 of 1754 🔗

Quite

291630 ▶▶▶ Leemc23, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 12, #852 of 1754 🔗

How about he wears his mask and I use my common sense and we both say no more on the subject ?

291643 ▶▶▶ steve_w, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 6, #853 of 1754 🔗

I don’t mind vaccines when used appropriately. Just forget about mass vaccination until you have 20 years of data. Hopefully there will be some hoohah about people dying ‘with’ or ‘of’ the vaccine and they will just limit themselves to offering it to the most vulnerable.

They are like children – next big thing, T&T, lockdowns, vaccine – what’s the 1 thing that will save the planet.

Turns out the best thing to do is wash our hands a bit and keep a bit of distance if you are old or ill

291655 ▶▶▶ RichardJames, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 6, #854 of 1754 🔗

So how is it necessary, you utter bellend, to keep wearing masks if your poisonous vaccine actually works? You stupid, lying, twat; you clearly take us for fools.

P.S. I suppose this idiot actually does take us for fools.

291866 ▶▶▶ David Grimbleby, replying to BeBopRockSteady, #855 of 1754 🔗

Have I missed summat? who is this twot?

291583 Victoria, replying to Victoria, 14, #856 of 1754 🔗

re reliability of PCR tests

Has the UK’s Covid strategy been based on false positives and dodgy data? We challenge the Government to test the accuracy of its PCR tests:

  • Take a sample of 1000 people
  • Treble test with Government lab PCR, Independent lab PCR and Lateral Flow tests
  • Compare results

https://twitter.com/brexitparty_uk/status/1336222569553342464

291587 ▶▶ steve_w, replying to Victoria, 4, #857 of 1754 🔗

if they aren’t already doing this as a matter of course then its criminal negligence. Maybe they are but aren’t releasing the results

291601 ▶▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to steve_w, 3, #858 of 1754 🔗

They have to. There needs to be an enquiry specifically on who has kept the momentum on PCR knowing that it was awash with the FPs and high CTs

291603 ▶▶▶ Sam Vimes, replying to steve_w, #859 of 1754 🔗

Results and what’s released are two very different things.

291708 ▶▶ Banjones, replying to Victoria, 1, #860 of 1754 🔗

It’s really a no-brainer, isn’t it? If they don’t rise to the challenge, then we’ll know they know we know.

291946 ▶▶ Iansn, replying to Victoria, #861 of 1754 🔗

100% positive for sure.

291590 Bruce Reynolds, replying to Bruce Reynolds, 80, #862 of 1754 🔗

I wonder if any of the regulars on here remember my plan B blackout stunt in M and S well today it was the turn of Iceland, manager gave me some greif about not wearing muzzle, told him I was exempt etc etc so warned him and doned the muzzle then proceeded to blackout and demolish the Ltd edition Xmas cornflake display…utter chaos ensued staff running everywhere,that’s one in the eye for the ignorant prick…

291593 ▶▶ bluemoon, replying to Bruce Reynolds, 24, #863 of 1754 🔗

Good work BR!

291594 ▶▶ Sam Vimes, replying to Bruce Reynolds, 21, #864 of 1754 🔗

Would you please autograph my cornflake packet?

291597 ▶▶ Mabel Cow, replying to Bruce Reynolds, 22, #865 of 1754 🔗

You are a legend, sir.

291625 ▶▶ Jo, replying to Bruce Reynolds, 44, #866 of 1754 🔗

You are obviously a cereal offender!

291631 ▶▶▶ Bruce Reynolds, replying to Jo, 20, #867 of 1754 🔗

It’s a great way to start your day!

291685 ▶▶▶ Bella Donna, replying to Jo, 9, #868 of 1754 🔗

😁

291628 ▶▶ Janice21, replying to Bruce Reynolds, 17, #869 of 1754 🔗

Reading this has been the first thing to put a smile on my face all day!

291645 ▶▶ steve_w, replying to Bruce Reynolds, 8, #870 of 1754 🔗

needs videoing really

291650 ▶▶▶ Bruce Reynolds, replying to steve_w, 14, #871 of 1754 🔗

My solicitor will certainly be asking for the CCTV footage…

291663 ▶▶ Be Unshakeable, replying to Bruce Reynolds, 8, #872 of 1754 🔗
291668 ▶▶ anon, replying to Bruce Reynolds, 10, #873 of 1754 🔗

I fukin love you man

291680 ▶▶ Les Tricoteuses, replying to Bruce Reynolds, 17, #874 of 1754 🔗

That is brilliant. Wish I had ideas like that or the guts. Now demand CCTV and threatento sue for your injuries, make the basterds sweat .

291813 ▶▶▶ Bruce Reynolds, replying to Les Tricoteuses, 13, #875 of 1754 🔗

I’m in the process of doing just that, solicitor is already in place.

291722 ▶▶ Lili, replying to Bruce Reynolds, 7, #876 of 1754 🔗

Ooooh – good one! Did anyone apologise?

291816 ▶▶▶ Bruce Reynolds, replying to Lili, 9, #877 of 1754 🔗

Yes but I’m not accepting need to nail the sob.

291761 ▶▶ TheOriginalBlackPudding, replying to Bruce Reynolds, 9, #878 of 1754 🔗

So in short, your wore a muesli and bran-flaked out.

291846 ▶▶ Two-Six, replying to Bruce Reynolds, 8, #879 of 1754 🔗

I an otherwise totally miserable and ragingly angry day in psy-op la la land surrounded by face nappy cunts, you really made me laugh. Nice one!

292219 ▶▶ dommo, replying to Bruce Reynolds, 4, #880 of 1754 🔗

ooh you are awful…

291595 Silke David, replying to Silke David, #881 of 1754 🔗

Has the Corona dashboard not been updated or is just my link?
It still shows Sundays data.

291623 ▶▶ Graham3, replying to Silke David, #882 of 1754 🔗

On BBC Tech page ( I know, I know). American police raid woman’s home for allegedly inflating US dashboard.

291714 ▶▶ Steve Martindale, replying to Silke David, #883 of 1754 🔗

Which dash board do you mean? this one is dated monday
https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/details/healthcare
But it is often not up to date in every category for every nation, it depends if they managed to get the figures in on time, it usually catches up the next day.

291839 ▶▶▶ Silke David, replying to Steve Martindale, #884 of 1754 🔗

Yes, but part 1 Daily update still shows Sunday. all the other sections are Monday. How strange.

291600 Kate, replying to Kate, 13, #885 of 1754 🔗

https://www.bmj.com/content/365/bmj.l2268/rr-0

The point of the above link to the BMJ article “The New WHO casualty assessment algorithm needs revision to restore public trust” is precisely that such adverse events following vaccination will be excluded from consideration.
In the new causality assessment, only reactions that have previously been acknowledged in epidemiological studies to be caused by the vaccine, are classified as a vaccine-product–related-reactions. Reactions observed for the first time during post-marketing surveillance (Phase 4 clinical trial) are not considered as ‘consistent with causal association with vaccine’. All new serious adverse reactions are labelled as coincidental events ‘inconsistent with causal association,’ or ‘unclassifiable’ and the association with vaccine is not acknowledged. (5). It has, in effect, made phase 4 trials redundant
In other words, if your illness/reaction/ death did not occur to a volunteer in the early phase trials prior to the authorisation of the vaccine for use on the unsuspecting public, then it is by definition not due to the vaccine.
Clever, eh?
This means that however many of the public now go on to develop previously unrecognised illnesses due to the vaccine, they are not due to the vaccine.
No compensation, no need to halt the population wide vaccine programme, no liability.

291614 ▶▶ Kate, replying to Kate, 7, #886 of 1754 🔗

We have to assume this is a criminal conspiracy which will not stop by itself.

291621 ▶▶ Jo, replying to Kate, 3, #887 of 1754 🔗

Yes, saw the video a couple of days ago about this. I think the old version, which would have picked up problems, was replaced a small number of years ago. Make of that what you will.

291661 ▶▶ Suzyv, replying to Kate, 6, #888 of 1754 🔗

So the cover up continues. If you have a relative who dies within a few months of the vaccine insist on an autopsy because apparently that will reveal it. The problem is they have pretty much stopped them I think, using Covid and infection as an excuse. You start to think might it be because a great many deaths ticked as Covid will actually be revealed as a death from some other cause if an autopsy were carried out..

291781 ▶▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to Suzyv, 2, #889 of 1754 🔗
291915 ▶▶▶▶ Iansn, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 1, #890 of 1754 🔗

I have an FOI request outstanding at the conroners office, they acknowledged receipt promptly , so I expect an answer in the alotted time. I have been writing to Prof Paul Hunter today regarding his interjection yesterday about London going into Tier 3. 4 emails from him, I asked him in the last one to show me any graph that showed expotential growqth ( f ( x )=2 x .) since the first infections in March/April and suggested the word not be used unless it was describing a rate of f ( x )=2 x . in any scientific or government statements.

291832 ▶▶ TheOriginalBlackPudding, replying to Kate, #891 of 1754 🔗

So when “big data” could tell us all sorts of things, we stick our fingers in our ears and say “Nah nah nah, we’re not listening!” in case it tells us something uncomfortable.

291604 Victoria, 3, #892 of 1754 🔗

Emergency COVID-19 Vaccines May Cause Massive Side Effects
STORY AT-A-GLANCE

  • Early November 2020, Pfizer announced its vaccine is more than 90% effective. One week later, Moderna — which designed its vaccine candidate in just two days — boasted a 94.5% effectiveness rating
  • Clinical trial data leave out crucial information, such as the cycle threshold used for the PCR testing, whether “cases” had symptoms or not, and how long the vaccine lasts if protective
  • None of the COVID-19 trials for which we have data are designed to find out whether the vaccine reduces hospitalization rates or deaths. They only look at whether it reduces symptoms if you do get infected
  • The estimated number needed to vaccinate (NNTV) for Moderna’s vaccine is 167, meaning 167 people must receive the vaccine in order to prevent one case of COVID-19
  • The estimated NNTV for Pfizer’s vaccine candidate is 256

https://articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2020/12/08/coronavirus-vaccine-side-effects.aspx

291618 Robin, 3, #893 of 1754 🔗

Many thanks Toby, for the billiant interview on ‘Unlocked’. It was wonderful to see you, in all your full articulacy, putting the boot into the witch hunts carried out by the wokesters.

291619 Ben, replying to Ben, 4, #894 of 1754 🔗

Bill Gates, Bill Gates, Bill Gates. Everything is Bill Gates. The world is owned by Bill Gates. Thought is owned by Bill Gates. Humanity is owned by Bill Gates. There is only Bill Gates

https://twitter.com/robinmonotti/status/1336285772585066498?s=20

291635 ▶▶ Jonathan Palmer, replying to Ben, 8, #895 of 1754 🔗

He is the real virus.

292667 ▶▶ richard riewer, replying to Ben, #896 of 1754 🔗

Shoot down his private jet next time he visits the U.K.

291674 ▶▶ Ceriain, replying to Sam Vimes, #898 of 1754 🔗

He’s a bit slow; I made this one a week ago. Posted previously. 😉

291695 ▶▶▶ Sam Vimes, replying to Ceriain, 2, #899 of 1754 🔗

It pays to pay attention!

291757 ▶▶▶▶ Ceriain, replying to Sam Vimes, 1, #900 of 1754 🔗

I said it was Simon who was a bit slow.

He should come and read LS; he’ll learn a thing, or two. 😉

291771 ▶▶▶▶▶ Sam Vimes, replying to Ceriain, 3, #901 of 1754 🔗

And I meant that SD and Me should pay attention to you. Talking through text is a bit like talking through masks! 🙂

291798 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Ceriain, replying to Sam Vimes, 1, #902 of 1754 🔗

Talking through text is a bit like talking through masks!

Love it! So true. Can I pinch that?

291624 chaos, replying to chaos, 2, #903 of 1754 🔗

Ian Collins TalkRadio has gone full on Wanksock BBC with his support for the vaccine…

291659 ▶▶ kh1485, replying to chaos, 2, #904 of 1754 🔗

Hey, Ian why not volunteer to have it then …

291664 ▶▶ Thomas_E, replying to chaos, 9, #905 of 1754 🔗

I cant listen to Ian Collins anymore. The only one who is remotely on our side and has been for months is Mark Dolan…from the time he cut his mask on air ( I hear he got a lot of shit for that) and his last weeks NO,No, No video..Let’s hope he stays with us..

https://www.youtube.com/watch?edufilter=NULL&v=dq0sZ9swPRM

291633 Sylvie, 2, #906 of 1754 🔗

https://www.seriousair.co.uk/pages/serious-technology
I remember once seeing on TV someone with OCD vacuuming the air to get rid of dust specks. This enterprising firm are now selling an air sanitiser, alledly destroys 99.9% H1N1 virus which is “smaller and harder to capture and destroy than the Covid19 viral strain”.
I protest. My immune system needs virus exposure. How am I to know if this dangerous new money spinner is in use in cinemas, theatres and pubs- I never want to cross their threshold?

291637 A. Contrarian, replying to A. Contrarian, 17, #907 of 1754 🔗

If even one of those sweet old ladies having the jab develops nasty side effects and dies in the next week or so, it’s going to look really bad isn’t it?

At that point, old age will suddenly become a cause of death again, I suppose.

291638 ▶▶ thinkaboutit, replying to A. Contrarian, 21, #908 of 1754 🔗

28 days after test, definitely Covid.
28 days after jab, oh dear, old people die.

291660 ▶▶▶ A. Contrarian, replying to thinkaboutit, 6, #909 of 1754 🔗

Yeah, they die of all sorts of things, you can’t prove it was the vaccine, they were on their last legs anyway, no one lives forever.

291814 ▶▶▶ Be Unshakeable, replying to thinkaboutit, #910 of 1754 🔗

28 Days later, huh? Oh boy.

291639 ▶▶ Ben, replying to A. Contrarian, 2, #911 of 1754 🔗

They’ll blame it on ‘CoViD’

291647 ▶▶ steve_w, replying to A. Contrarian, 6, #912 of 1754 🔗

Bringing an old person , previously isolating into an NHS hospital awash with covid for a jab that may or may not reduce symptoms in a months time.

291662 ▶▶▶ A. Contrarian, replying to steve_w, 6, #913 of 1754 🔗

My thoughts exactly, they’ll probably catch it in the hospital while getting their jab FFS.

291649 ▶▶ Mabel Cow, replying to A. Contrarian, 7, #914 of 1754 🔗

The answer will probably be, “We didn’t get to her in time; another senseless victim of this terrible scourge. We have let her down. We must redouble our efforts. National lockdown 3.0 is the only answer whilst we wait for more vaccine doses to be delivered.”

291669 ▶▶ Les Tricoteuses, replying to A. Contrarian, 7, #915 of 1754 🔗

Are they really having vaccine or just saline for show? They’ll all be fine I’m sure, it’s theatre.

291644 l835, 19, #916 of 1754 🔗

What is wrong with that joyless piece of shit Vaughan Gethin? He and his Marxist mate Drakeford have sucked every last drop of joy out of our lives. If seeing William and Kate cheers people up, then it’s a good thing.

291656 leggy, replying to leggy, 5, #917 of 1754 🔗

Here are some interesting data. Trustworthy sort of company aren’t they.

https://violationtracker.goodjobsfirst.org/parent/pfizer

291666 ▶▶ Jo, replying to leggy, 5, #918 of 1754 🔗

Yes, and twinned with the MHRA, we can all rest easy in our beds (which we have taken to after the vaccine)
https://thenhf.com/the-anti-mhra-campaign/

Joking – no way I’m having it. Never.

291658 Jo, replying to Jo, 13, #919 of 1754 🔗

Did anyone else find the BBC interview – 4 against 1 – with Richard Tice profoundly depressing? Looking at their purse-lipped stony faces made me feel sick. And that the false positives in PCR tests was even being doubted! I first heard Carl H talking about it on the radio in June! And since then, myriad mainstream articles including a really good one in the Lancet by three doctors, back in about Sept or Oct which I sent to MP, about the problems of the false positives, impact on society and in particular health care workers having to self-isolate for no reason.
It seems with so much knowledge now, we have made so little progress.
I heard Toby’s interview re free speech union and he said at the end that he felt there was light at the end of the tunnel because there were a few more MPs voting against the Govt. And look where that has got us! Threats of London to Tier 3? There is no chance we are ever going to be free again. I am dreading the debate next Monday.

291670 ▶▶ Leemc23, replying to Jo, 9, #920 of 1754 🔗

PCR false positives were in documents from SAGE in June. I don’t know what they are all debating about when the Governments own scientific “experts” already said what we all know around 6 months ago.

https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/895843/S0519_Impact_of_false_positives_and_negatives.pdf

291675 ▶▶▶ Jo, replying to Leemc23, 3, #921 of 1754 🔗

Quite. It is mainstream. It isn’t controversial. Is it because it’s true?

291678 ▶▶▶▶ Leemc23, replying to Jo, 8, #922 of 1754 🔗

It’s because it’s true. The false readings either way mean the test is not fit for the purposes it’s being used for. This is from the document “ Unless we understand the operational false positive rate of the UK’s RT-PCR testing system we risk overestimating the COVID-19 incidence, the demand on track and trace, and the extent of asymptomatic infection”

Basically it’s fucking the world up keep using the PCR like this.

291729 ▶▶ Mike, replying to Jo, 4, #923 of 1754 🔗

‘It seems with so much knowledge now, we have made so little progress.’

I heard an interesting term the other day, can’t really remember where but it went like this; ‘there are to many Spocks and not enough Kirks’.

I think that may actually sum up our situation. As much as I don’t like hero worship or following individuals, it seems to me we are lacking ‘Kirks’.

In general the vast amount of knowledge that is now out there is being put forward by very clever, pleasant people, scientists, medics etc. Unfortunately for the masses, people who have been conditions for years to follow what a celeb or leader tells them to do (Kirks), listening to an eminent scientist (Spocks), without the backing of some great public figure just does not have any impact.

I’m sure most of us have had the experience of providing links to people we know for journals, articles, scientific papers, heck even newspaper articles and the majority of people can’t even be bothered to look at a single one. Its too much like hard work and they don’t need to do it as some one in power or with influence will tell them what to think anyway. They are better/smarter than them so who are they to argue.

But the other side to this farce don’t need to do that. They can wheel out a charlatan, put them on a pedestal and give them the backing of the media. It doesn’t even really matter what they say, its just that they are a seemingly powerful or famous figure. Isn’t that what they are proposing for the vaccine roll out…get a few famous people to take the jab to show it really is safe…

All the information in the world won’t make any difference if we can’t combat this system.

291760 ▶▶▶ Marialta, replying to Mike, 3, #924 of 1754 🔗

Great post. It’s beyond depressing when it’s close family who just won’t read anything. Whatever people say here outside things do not seem to changing. The euphoria over this new vaccine tells us that no one has bothered to check out the details because if they did they would see it is a glorified Lemsip.

291682 A. Contrarian, replying to A. Contrarian, 3, #925 of 1754 🔗

I’ve been looking forward to a nice quiet Christmas with my parents, both on the sceptical side (or at least not willing to stop seeing their children and grandchildren on the off chance that we’re carrying the bug).

However I have just discovered that my brother and wife will also be visiting for a couple of days. They are both petrified of said bug (she’s in her 30s FFS) and to say that we’re on a different page about this would be a massive understatement. She is a musician and used to run a choir, which now meets occasionally over zoom (Yay! It’s great!). She has just posted on Facebook a jolly lockdown version of While Shepherds Watched to be sung at their virtual carol event next week. Here are some choice excerpts – it’s going to be a fun Christmas, not.

While lockdown kept us in our homes
We still could meet online
And made too much banana bread
Expanding our waist line

We washed our hands, made masks, more space
And clapped on Thursday night
The daily walks that kept us sane
Sometimes it was alright

All hail the news in recent weeks
The vaccine’s ready soon
Though Christmas this year’s not the same
It’s not all doom and gloom

291684 ▶▶ Jo, replying to A. Contrarian, 5, #926 of 1754 🔗

Yuk!
And I hope she is a better musician than poet.

291705 ▶▶▶ stefarm, replying to Jo, 1, #927 of 1754 🔗

But does she know it?

291686 ▶▶ leggy, replying to A. Contrarian, 8, #928 of 1754 🔗

Vomit.

291689 ▶▶ thinkaboutit, replying to A. Contrarian, 2, #929 of 1754 🔗

You need a good medley of alternative rude lyrics, I’m sure LS readers will provide!

291703 ▶▶▶ Be Unshakeable, replying to thinkaboutit, 9, #930 of 1754 🔗

Roses are red,
Violets are blue,
Stop being a pussy,
It’s just the flu.

291874 ▶▶▶▶ Two-Six, replying to Be Unshakeable, 3, #931 of 1754 🔗

Your name made me laugh. Good job, I am so fucking angry.

291728 ▶▶▶ Margaret, replying to thinkaboutit, 12, #932 of 1754 🔗

While Pfizer watched their stocks go high
All seated in their lab
Matt Hancock gave them loads of dosh
And they gave us their jab

Fear not said he for mighty dread
Had seized our troubled minds
It’s only made of harmless things
Like cheese and bacon rinds

To you in London Town this day,
Is given a wondrous sign
If you don’t wear your mask as well
We’ll give you a big fine.

Thus spake Matt Hancock with a grin
His pals all joined in too
With Whitty, Valance and Bozo
To name but just a few.

All glory be to them that rule
Us with their dodgy data
Their day of reckoning will come
Not now but sometime later.

291796 ▶▶▶▶ A. Contrarian, replying to Margaret, 1, #933 of 1754 🔗

Much better!

292062 ▶▶▶▶ OKUK, replying to Margaret, #934 of 1754 🔗

Brilliant!

291693 ▶▶ Be Unshakeable, replying to A. Contrarian, 7, #935 of 1754 🔗
291831 ▶▶ AN other lockdown sceptic, replying to A. Contrarian, 5, #936 of 1754 🔗

Sorry to hear that. We won’t be seeing our bedwetting family. My fearless 87 year old Mum is coming to stay instead.

291879 ▶▶▶ kf99, replying to AN other lockdown sceptic, 1, #937 of 1754 🔗

It’s the sceptics’ dilemma, sadly quite common. A fuller lockdown where they couldn’t possibly visit (as they would say) would actually be beneficial to you.

291861 ▶▶ davews, replying to A. Contrarian, 1, #938 of 1754 🔗

I am sure we could make a more appropriate version of While Shepherds Watched on here… I think my brother and his wife are mildly sceptic but regardless I have decided to spend Christmas here by myself, since I live alone anyway it is no big deal.

291872 ▶▶ David Grimbleby, replying to A. Contrarian, 1, #939 of 1754 🔗

Sorry mate… blimey.

291687 2 pence, replying to 2 pence, 8, #940 of 1754 🔗

Immunologist and toxicologist, Prof. Stefan Hockertz, gives evidence to the German Corona Committee, which includes lawyer Reiner Fuellmich

https://twitter.com/lyne_ian/status/1336102189551403009

291707 ▶▶ Victoria, replying to 2 pence, 2, #941 of 1754 🔗

Scary

291692 BeBopRockSteady, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 5, #942 of 1754 🔗

https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=3538264059592239&id=248258601926151&fs=1&focus_composer=0

Being someone who has Ulcerative Colitis I follow this group on FB. These are people with auto immune issues and many will be jacked up on some pretty heavy medication, which further weaken the immune system. Glad to see it is about 50/50 split of whether they’d take the vaccine. I would day those saying no have done way more to consider matters. The yes group just do whatever the doc tells em. Full faith.

291821 ▶▶ AN other lockdown sceptic, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 4, #943 of 1754 🔗

Someone we know, who is very ill, was offered the vaccine in the last few days. When they couldn’t tell him how it might affect his existing meds, he declined. I suspect/hope that the roll out won’t be as easy as they thought …

291696 Harry hopkins, replying to Harry hopkins, 64, #944 of 1754 🔗

A smile and an insult left him speechless!

Coming out of my favourite Otley butchers after having had friendly words with those serving I was waiting to cross the road. ‘Hey you…you’re supposed to wear a mask in shops… it’s the law’ said a wailing voice from behind. I ignored it. Again, he shouted even louder this time: ‘It’s the law to wear a mask in shops’. I turned around and saw, out of the four or five masked up people waiting to enter the shop, this lanky streak of misery with his beady eyes fixed on me. What to do? What to say?…what an opportunity? which I hasten to add I grabbed with relish.
I fixed him with a broad smile and looked directly into those bready eyes and said, loudly so that the whole queue could hear:

I’m the only normal person here, you are the Zombie, not me’.

He was speechless and I kept up my smile. He averted his gaze and said not a word more. it was interesting also that the other onlookers, all masked, dropped their eyes also and said not a word. I crossed the road when it was clear and felt great.
I hadn’t lost my temper, didn’t feel threatened and took this opportunity to stand my ground and with a smile and an insult make the best response i could. If I say so myself I was pretty pleased with myself.

It’s reinforced something I have long felt to be the case. Aggressors don’t like it when you face them down with a smile. And they hate the word ZOMBIE which is why I will use it if I’m accosted like this again—–with a smile of course!

291755 ▶▶ leggy, replying to Harry hopkins, 10, #945 of 1754 🔗

Dignity intact. Nicely done!

291779 ▶▶ Mrs issedoff, replying to Harry hopkins, 5, #946 of 1754 🔗

Great Harry. My problem is that I tend to get really wound up and get either extremely angry or upset (depending on the day). As far as I’m concerned, too many people are too stupid for this world. The sheer incompetence and lies that have come from our despotic leaders and still some people believe they are going to die.

291881 ▶▶ Two-Six, replying to Harry hopkins, 4, #947 of 1754 🔗

Cool, I MUST remember that one. Smooth moves Harry

292202 ▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Harry hopkins, 3, #948 of 1754 🔗

My frail but feisty 83 yr-old friend asssures me that if she’s challenged about not wearing a mask, she’ll tell them to just concentrate on eating their grass.

292459 ▶▶▶ AngloWelshDragon, replying to Cheezilla, #949 of 1754 🔗

That’s a good one. I just say “I’m sorry I can’t make out anything you are saying except baaaa”.

291699 JHuntz, replying to JHuntz, 8, #950 of 1754 🔗

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-55216347

This vaccine news is going to be some next level sick bucket patriotism.

Why would a 28 year old at negligible risk of the virus get a vaccine when there is no evidence it stops transmission. What is the actual point?

291733 ▶▶ Janice21, replying to JHuntz, 3, #951 of 1754 🔗

Also if I were her and wanted children in the future, there is no way I would be taking it if there was a slim chance it affected my fertility.

291751 ▶▶ Ben, replying to JHuntz, 4, #952 of 1754 🔗

Because Pharma shareholders will get rich (indefinitely, since vaccine boosters will be required every year) and it increases the likelihood of immunity passports coming into being, which makes tech shareholders rich too

It also allows governments to impose Chinese style social credit systems of control on their citizens

This has never been about a virus

291756 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to JHuntz, 2, #953 of 1754 🔗

She can’t wait to tell her child. My whole effort this past 10 months is trying to counter the propaganda that my daughter sees and hears, making sure she knows there is nothing to worry about.

Not have them waiting on some magic beans.

291788 ▶▶▶ JHuntz, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 4, #954 of 1754 🔗

she can’t wait to post on social media and receive her validation hit is what she really meant.

291701 Victoria, replying to Victoria, 10, #955 of 1754 🔗

What You Can Expect From the COVID-19 Vaccine
An October 20, 2020, article in the Observer lists the known side effects that have emerged in the various trials. Chills, fever, body aches and headache are the most commonplace, but at least two cases of transverse myelitis — inflammation of the spinal cord — have also occurred.

Even the U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention warns that the vaccine’s side effects are “no walk in the park ,”

and Saad Omer, director of the Yale Institute for Global Health, has stressed the need for a broad-based outreach campaign to discuss the reality of side effects, as patients might not come back for the required second dose if the side effects take them by surprise.

Dr. Eli Perencevich, a professor of internal medicine and epidemiology at the University of Iowa Health Care, has suggested essential workers should be granted three days of paid leave after they’re vaccinated, as many will feel too sick to work .

A December 1, 2020, CNBC article, which looked at the frequency of adverse reactions, noted that 10% to 15% of participants in the Pfizer and Moderna trials reported “significantly noticeable” side effects .

Buried way down at the bottom of the article is a suggestion from a past advisory committee member, who proposes the nomenclature of “ serious adverse reaction be changed to immune response ,” so they can reprogram how people think about these side effects, even if they end up having to stay home from work because of them.

The article also admits they have no idea what, if any, long-term reactions there might be , which means (as we already knew) that this is a great big public health experiment and, of course, anything that happens post-marketing will be labeled a “coincidence.”

In related news, a participant in India’s AstraZeneca trial is now suing the company claiming the vaccine caused “serious neurological damage,”

and a group of researchers warn the COVID-19 vaccines could potentially increase your risk of HIV infection .

Then there are the concerns about the COVID-19 vaccine permanently altering your DNA , effectively turning you into a transhuman .

As you can see, there’s a lot to consider before taking this vaccine.

https://articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2020/12/08/coronavirus-vaccine-side-effects.aspx

~ Pro Choice and Informed Decision ~

291743 ▶▶ Ben, replying to Victoria, 5, #956 of 1754 🔗

This is an important article too. I’m bemused by people’s indifference when it comes to taking responsibility for their own health

https://2020news.de/en/dr-wodarg-and-dr-yeadon-request-a-stop-of-all-corona-vaccination-studies-and-call-for-co-signing-the-petition/

291704 BeBopRockSteady, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 14, #957 of 1754 🔗

Sheila Fogarty at it again on LBC:

“If you are anxious about the vaccine, think of this. If covid was as fatal to kids as it was to elderly people and we had 60,000 deaths of those under 14 say. Would you still not take the vaccine?”

So much wrong in those small sentences. She spends her whole afternoon shilling it. Don’t worry about your own worries, take some emotional blackmail, shame, misread stats and warped thinking about Covid when elderly are more prone to all other respiratory deaths. Jesus. She needs a boot.

291713 ▶▶ Hieronimusb, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 7, #958 of 1754 🔗

If the moon was made of cheese and pigs could fly, strawberries would still be expensive at this time of year..

291715 ▶▶ JHuntz, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 3, #959 of 1754 🔗

The analogy is beyond stupidity an intellectual brainfart of an argument.

291723 ▶▶ Be Unshakeable, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 3, #960 of 1754 🔗

It’s just meaningless noise, nothing of value whatsoever. She’s just regurgitating what she’s read in the papers so the station can continue cashing cheques from ad agencies based of the number of people daft enough to give them any attention. Treat it with the cynicism it deserves and tune out.

291752 ▶▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to Be Unshakeable, #961 of 1754 🔗

It’s always around this time I pick my daughter up and so I catch 5 mins of her show. Her whole approach to every issue is so surface level it makes we wonder what her job actually is. But I think you’ve nailed it.

291801 ▶▶▶▶ Be Unshakeable, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 1, #962 of 1754 🔗

Sadly so, you can sell anything to anyone these days, and these pricks are doing nothing but making a buck or two from the world’s misery. It’s not journalism, it’s reality show infotainment. The last honest journalist got thrown in Belmarsh for his trouble.

291838 ▶▶▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to Be Unshakeable, 2, #963 of 1754 🔗

The last honest journalist got thrown in Belmarsh for his trouble.

Jon Rappoport is still up and running.

291748 ▶▶ Ceriain, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 1, #964 of 1754 🔗

“She needs is a boot.”

Fixed!

291766 ▶▶ Ewan Duffy, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 1, #965 of 1754 🔗

I’m not under 14 and as a 46 y.o. single male, hanging around 14 year olds would likely get me arrested so I don’t do it!

291783 ▶▶ Fingerache Philip., replying to BeBopRockSteady, 2, #966 of 1754 🔗

That’s the whole point for crying out loud; 60,000 under 14’s HAVEN’T died from Covid; plus; it’s extremely unlikely that many old people have, either.

291827 ▶▶ Liam, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 2, #967 of 1754 🔗

If my Mum had gills she’d be a fish. So take the vaccine!

292135 ▶▶ thinkaboutit, replying to BeBopRockSteady, #968 of 1754 🔗

Sheila Foghorn. Annoying woman. What a stupid train of ” logic”.

292669 ▶▶ richard riewer, replying to BeBopRockSteady, #969 of 1754 🔗

A boot in her fat gob.

291709 Lockdown_Lunacy, replying to Lockdown_Lunacy, 77, #970 of 1754 🔗

My wife was challenged by a customer in a coffee shop today for not standing on her ‘social distancing marker’, conversation went like this:

Customer – can you stand on your box please, just because YOU can’t wear a face covering doesn’t mean you can’t do that!

Wife – no.

Customer – We’re doing this to protect people like YOU you know!

Wife – no you’re not. You’re doing it because you’re scared.

Customer – silence.

291719 ▶▶ nootnoot, replying to Lockdown_Lunacy, 12, #971 of 1754 🔗

Wow nice!

291721 ▶▶ KBuchanan, replying to Lockdown_Lunacy, 13, #972 of 1754 🔗

Brilliant and un arguable comeback!

291741 ▶▶ Mike, replying to Lockdown_Lunacy, 6, #973 of 1754 🔗

spot on. Simple and to the point

291745 ▶▶ stefarm, replying to Lockdown_Lunacy, 7, #974 of 1754 🔗

Wonderful.

291762 ▶▶ Fingerache Philip., replying to Lockdown_Lunacy, 13, #975 of 1754 🔗

BRILLIANT, well said.
Like Jonathan Sumption said this morning on TR: “Some people are scared of life”.

291784 ▶▶ JHuntz, replying to Lockdown_Lunacy, 5, #976 of 1754 🔗

As ever they are misinformed cowards. Well done.

291795 ▶▶ Margaret, replying to Lockdown_Lunacy, 22, #977 of 1754 🔗

Brilliant. I’ll borrow that response, if I may please?

I walked into Outfit this morning, past the signs that said “No mask, no entry”. A minute later, a member of staff approached and asked me if I had a mask. I showed her my badge which said I was exempt and suggested to her that she changed the notices on the door to say that exemptions apply, otherwise she might be faced with legal challenges. No response.

Paying for my purchase in Next, the lady cashier was speaking to me. I had to apologise and say to her that I hadn’t heard a word she was saying.
”Yes these things are awful aren’t they?” said she through her mask AND visor.
”They certainly are,” I replied “and dangerous too with all the bacteria and mold they collect”
I think a light came on somewhere.

291873 ▶▶▶ Lockdown_Lunacy, replying to Margaret, 7, #978 of 1754 🔗

Please go ahead and use it. I’m still waiting for an opportunity to, my wife seems to get picked on by these zealots far more often than I do, which is about right for bullies I suppose.

The strange thing about this woman was that she was so bothered by COVID that she chose to go into one of the smallest coffee shops in Guildford when there’s another much larger one of the same chain just across the way!

291804 ▶▶ Liam, replying to Lockdown_Lunacy, 12, #979 of 1754 🔗

Good for her. I said the same earlier. Anyone who says they’re doing any of this to protect others is just flat out lying.

291808 ▶▶ Winston Smith, replying to Lockdown_Lunacy, 5, #980 of 1754 🔗

Great!!!

292118 ▶▶ RichardJames, replying to Lockdown_Lunacy, 2, #981 of 1754 🔗

Stealing that comeback for future use!

291716 nootnoot, replying to nootnoot, 35, #982 of 1754 🔗

So I went into a Coop today without mask. I must admit I didnt stare at anyone I just got in, picked up a couple of items, paid at a self service and got out. As soon as I got in through the door my heart was racing. I think this was because i didn’t know how i would handle a confrontation if it had occurred.

Seems almost stupid how I was nervous going into a shop maskless but that’s what I had been doing for years. While in the shop it actually seemed strange seeing people in muzzles. Once I came out the shop it felt amazing.

I’m definitely going to do this again but i think it’ll take me time to become 100% mask free. I’m slightly stuck between a rock and a hard place. I’m the sceptic but my wife works at the local hospital with Covid patients. So she is quite pro mask. Her parents are totally freaked out to the point that her mother wipes down all the shopping when they get home.

They do know i’m more sceptical but i wait for the day when they see me in a shop without mask.

291736 ▶▶ Janice21, replying to nootnoot, 6, #983 of 1754 🔗

well done!

291742 ▶▶ DavidC, replying to nootnoot, #984 of 1754 🔗

Why have you been wearing a mask for years?!

DavidC

291764 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to nootnoot, 4, #985 of 1754 🔗

I would recommend a snood rather than a mask then. You can tuck it under your jumper neckline and if confrontation comes your way, you can always, if you really are worried, use it. I did this at the start in some places but rarely challenged anyway.

291806 ▶▶▶ Winston Smith, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 9, #986 of 1754 🔗

No! No masks, no face coverings, no compliance!

I’ve never worn a mask since this global insanity. I’ve challenged 3 times; once in the pub on my way to the loo, once in the hospital by another patient and once on the way in to Tescos by a member of staff.

291765 ▶▶ leggy, replying to nootnoot, 5, #987 of 1754 🔗

Good for you. Every time you do it, it will become easier.

291799 ▶▶ calchas, replying to nootnoot, 3, #988 of 1754 🔗

We need groups of peoüle doing this, not because it makes it easier which it does, but because it encorages others, who woukd never consider it, and going in larger numbers helps to de-normalize muzzles.

291902 ▶▶ Two-Six, replying to nootnoot, #989 of 1754 🔗

wow, it’s poison isn’t it? This is just killing me. The Psy-op that just keeps on giving.
BASTARDS

291730 ▶▶ Janice21, replying to p02099003, 27, #991 of 1754 🔗

He can fuck right off. I sincerely hope more and more people stop believing this crap.

291732 ▶▶ Dan Clarke, replying to p02099003, 8, #992 of 1754 🔗

What if you’ve never worn one?

291899 ▶▶▶ annie, replying to Dan Clarke, 5, #993 of 1754 🔗

You go on not wearing one.
You remain a member of an elite group called the human race.

291753 ▶▶ Be Unshakeable, replying to p02099003, 3, #994 of 1754 🔗

It would be amusing if we all jumped onto the DM comments with extreme pro-vaccine views and made them look like the insane fascists they truly are.

292633 ▶▶▶ Two-Six, replying to Be Unshakeable, #995 of 1754 🔗

Thats quite a good idea. problem is the sheeple would love it and not see the irony or anything…

291772 ▶▶ Ewan Duffy, replying to p02099003, 4, #996 of 1754 🔗

In Ireland, they are also touting another year of restrictions:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_bzwdMB7xzk

Thankfully most of the comments under the video are sceptical.

291775 ▶▶ Achilles, replying to p02099003, 6, #997 of 1754 🔗

..and then another 12 months after that, and then another 12 months after that, ad infinitum. It is the inevitable outcome of a precautionary principle that has no sound scientific basis.

291844 ▶▶ kf99, replying to p02099003, 3, #998 of 1754 🔗

In that case plenty of time for proper trials to find whether they do any good (or any harm).

To quote from the article “scientists still don’t know whether the jab can stop people spreading the virus.” We don’t know that about masks either.

291905 ▶▶ Two-Six, replying to p02099003, #999 of 1754 🔗

MOTHER FUC%^

291725 Janice21, replying to Janice21, 4, #1000 of 1754 🔗

Just some thoughts. This vaccine isn’t (yet) for children and advised against for pregnant women, etc. Therefore if the notion transpires that you may not be permitted to travel, eat out, shop or whatever without the vaccine, this would mean a huge proportion of society have to stay locked in their homes? For example no more family holidays or meals out because the children don’t have the vaccine?
Maybe thinking too much into it but I am hoping it doesn’t become as far fetched as this.

291735 ▶▶ Ben, replying to Janice21, 4, #1001 of 1754 🔗

This assumes there are no lifelong debilitating side effects from the vaccines and that people are OK with regular boosters and vaccine passports whereby they’ll need to present QR codes to gain entry – in effect handing over their privacy to the State.

It’s a forced moral choice unfortunately

291737 ▶▶ Steve Martindale, replying to Janice21, 15, #1002 of 1754 🔗

This whole pantomime has been one of the worst examples of headless chicken management that I have ever had the misfortune to see. Nobody has got anywhere near thinking this through to that level of detail. I do not have a smart-phone and will need some sort of paperwork, I am hopeful that some clever wizz kids in Lagos or Mumbai will be able to furnish me with fake documentation, you can already get fake Yellow Fever Vaccine cards and fake PCR test results, they will probably have to fake some sort of QR code but I expect they will be able to manage that.

291759 ▶▶▶ Janice21, replying to Steve Martindale, 8, #1003 of 1754 🔗

A black market area I am willing to support.

291895 ▶▶▶▶ annie, replying to Janice21, 5, #1004 of 1754 🔗

I’ll be a customer.

291739 ▶▶ godowneasy, replying to Janice21, 2, #1005 of 1754 🔗

Great point – If there is any common sense left in this world, then surely this will stop the immunity passport idea in its tracks?

291778 ▶▶ A. Contrarian, replying to Janice21, 1, #1006 of 1754 🔗

I’d guess that even if it does get that far, any group specifically advised against taking the vaccine would not be included in restrictions, but who knows.

291727 Inlakesh, replying to Inlakesh, 13, #1007 of 1754 🔗
292060 ▶▶ OKUK, replying to Inlakesh, #1008 of 1754 🔗

Hilarous! How often do we find here that a cartonist says it better than a phalanx of scientists can!

291731 Dan Clarke, 10, #1009 of 1754 🔗

Why do ‘Little People’, have to wear a mask to get into restaurants, because even when sitting I was taller than the ‘little person’ standing near me while I was sitting and he was wearing a mask. So it got me thinking about how high Covid goes or even how low. These are things we need to know.

291738 Victoria, replying to Victoria, 9, #1010 of 1754 🔗

VAX ATTACKS: The new mRNA coronavirus vaccines will likely cause immune cells to attack placenta cells, causing female infertility, miscarriage or birth defects

Doctors warn that coronavirus vaccines will cause autoimmune issues and infertility in women

Vaccine study designs use false positive PCR results on controls to boost vaccine

https://www.naturalnews.com/2020-12-07-mrna-vaccines-may-cause-body-attack-placenta-cells.html

291747 ▶▶ Be Unshakeable, replying to Victoria, 6, #1011 of 1754 🔗

It involves the immune system attacking Syncytin-1 which is responsible for placental development.

It seems even the scariest conspiracy theories are coming true now.

291744 Margaret, replying to Margaret, 35, #1012 of 1754 🔗

Simon Dolan #KBF (@simondolan) Tweeted: All those people who were ‘protecting granny’ last month, now seem ecstatic that granny is being jabbed with an untested (for her age), experimental vaccine.

How does that work?
https://twitter.com/simondolan/status/1336297332124561409?s=20

291746 ▶▶ Janice21, replying to Margaret, 7, #1013 of 1754 🔗

The irony!

291767 ▶▶▶ Be Unshakeable, replying to Janice21, 3, #1014 of 1754 🔗

The hypocrisy!

291773 ▶▶▶▶ OKUK, replying to Be Unshakeable, 4, #1015 of 1754 🔗

The inanity!

291790 ▶▶▶▶▶ godowneasy, replying to OKUK, 4, #1016 of 1754 🔗

The final front ‘ere

291823 ▶▶▶▶▶ Fingerache Philip., replying to OKUK, 2, #1017 of 1754 🔗

All together now: “Infamy, infamy, they’ve all got ,etc,etc”

291754 ▶▶ godowneasy, replying to Margaret, 5, #1018 of 1754 🔗

Yes, we’ve been told for months that our reckless, selfish behaviour means we are granny killers. Now the tide has turned and the glove is on the other foot.

291824 ▶▶▶ jb12, replying to godowneasy, #1019 of 1754 🔗

Funnily enough, the Dutch call gloves ‘hand shoes’.

291892 ▶▶▶▶ annie, replying to jb12, 1, #1020 of 1754 🔗

Do they call grannies ‘guinea pigs’?

291750 Ceriain, 13, #1021 of 1754 🔗

Looks like wikipedia are all up to date. 😉

291763 OKUK, 24, #1022 of 1754 🔗

AMERICAGHAST

“You may not like it, you may not like him- but Trump’s fight is your fight.”

“If they can steal an election they can steal your liberty.”

“To turn a blind eye to electoral fraud is to participate in that fraud.”

::::: Jon and Emily, together with the rest of their nonjournos at the BBC, refuse to do the basic job of a news reporter, so forget their Trump-hate-fest and check out the alternative podcast:::::

1. We are learning more and more about the “secret count” fraud at Fulton County. The “USB guy” involved in the palming of a voting machine USB has been identified. He can also be seen in another video examining the bogus ballots (the huge haul of manufactured pro Biden votes hidden underneath a table and later put through the machines during the secret count) and doing a double fist pump in celebration! The pieces of a very suspicious jigsaw fit together.

2. Forensic IT experts representing a private complainant have been examining Dominion voting machines in Michigan under a court order.

3. Using a specialist data services company (expert in removing the names of dead people from mailing lists), Gateway Pundit found that 2060 dead people had submitted absentee ballots in Wayne County in Michigan. This is huge number.

4. A machine in Ware County, GA flipped 37 votes from Trump to Biden. The claim is disputed with officials now stating it was a human tabulation error but the local voter integrity group maintains it was an electronic error, and they were informed that was the case.

5. Texas is taking legal action against the contended (electoral fraud) states. This means the case will have to be heard in the Supreme Court.

6. The Chinese government has deleted a video of a lecture by a Chinese professor at an elite educational institution during which he crowed about China’s influence having produced the
right result in the US election. He stated that China “has people at the top of America’s core inner circle of power and influence. ”

7. Dems and corrupt Republicans across the US are using Covid rules to close down legislatures and divert from investigations into electoral fraud, just as they used them to prevent effective observation of count processes by party monitors.

SUMMARY: There is now massive evidence of electoral fraud and malpractice on a colossal scale in the US election. The ostriches at the BBC, Sky and ITV are pushing their heads deeper into the sand. The fraud appears to have been a combination of voting machine fraud, locally organised manual fraud and “private enterprise” fraud permitted by criminally lax vetting procedures.

291774 T. Prince, 5, #1023 of 1754 🔗

The moronification of politics is complete. What an utter phoney Hancock is. Beware, may induce vomit…

https://youtu.be/MnV9LumDxZk

291787 Achilles, replying to Achilles, 21, #1024 of 1754 🔗

The end game is simple. Big Pharma wants to replace the human immune system so that we are perpetually reliant on drugs and vaccines to live while they pocket trillions. The politicians like it because it gives them more control over people.

291793 ▶▶ kh1485, replying to Achilles, 16, #1025 of 1754 🔗

Sadly, this has been in place for many, many years. The medicalisation of absolutely everything. Screening the so-called worried well and giving drugs to those who do not need them.

292017 ▶▶ watashi, replying to Achilles, #1026 of 1754 🔗

this exactly

291800 davews, 4, #1027 of 1754 🔗

Just back from the dentist (private) for my delayes ‘six monthly’ checkup. Not as bad as I feared. Loads of covid scenery around, perspex screens, notice to sanitise and mask. Receptionist and some other staff unmasked. Asked if I had a mask, showed lanyard and ‘fine’, nobody else queried it. Without having a jet of water in my mouth with the hygienist and just scraping the crud off my teeth it was actually relatively painless – I hate hygienists. Half the seats in reception blanked off and the ones you are allowed to sit on covered in plastic – guess which seat I sat on, whoops… So £85 lighter my teeth now declared fit for another six months.

291810 nickbowes, replying to nickbowes, 20, #1028 of 1754 🔗

There are about 25 million or so other folk in front of me for this vaccine that i do not want.

What is the point if they have no intention of life getting back to normal. Those paid for corrupt Gates placemen at WHO already saying masks are here to stay.

Non of this smells right it has been like this since March.

291818 ▶▶ Julian, replying to nickbowes, 12, #1029 of 1754 🔗

paid for corrupt Gates placemen at WHO already saying masks are here to stay” They may or may not be paid for or Gates placemen, but it doesn’t matter – if you’re in the pandemic business, in the public health emergency business, why would you want it to end? As long as the emergency continues, you are important, people listen to you and give you money. A fake emergency is ideal because you don’t even have to worry too much about things going badly wrong and you getting lynched, because you know the emergency is not real.

291889 ▶▶▶ annie, replying to Julian, 4, #1030 of 1754 🔗

The face nappy business must be worth trillions.

291925 ▶▶ RickH, replying to nickbowes, 1, #1031 of 1754 🔗

There are about 25 million or so other folk in front of me for this vaccine that i do not want.”

Anybody want mine for a reasonable sum? I’ll donate the takings to charity. 🙂

291811 Scotty87, replying to Scotty87, 43, #1032 of 1754 🔗

Nicola Sturgeon: “I got a lump in my throat watching the first vaccines being given.”

No you didn’t Nicola, because you’re a vile, despotic reptile incapable of human emotions. While we’re at it, where’s the tears for the thousands of innocent Scots who have had their livelihoods destroyed or have been killed off by your tyrannical, pseudoscientific lockdown policies?

291837 ▶▶ Ewan Duffy, replying to Scotty87, 24, #1033 of 1754 🔗

Nicola Sturgeon: “I got a lump in my throat watching the first vaccines being given.”

I’d get that checked out Nicola – it is probaby a cancerous growth missed due to the lack of NHS cancer screening services since March.

291853 ▶▶▶ T. Prince, replying to Ewan Duffy, 6, #1034 of 1754 🔗

Maybe it was her brains dropping through her sinuses…?

291888 ▶▶▶▶ annie, replying to T. Prince, 5, #1035 of 1754 🔗

It certainly wasn’t her heart coming the other way.

292042 ▶▶▶▶▶ kf99, replying to annie, #1036 of 1754 🔗

I’m wondering if she’s fallen into a trap with the Will/Kate business . Very rare misstep from her. It throws a bone to republicans, but those votes are in the bag anyway. Upsetting moderate swing voters is the only obvious result, if unionists can be bothered to exploit it

291886 ▶▶▶ JHuntz, replying to Ewan Duffy, 3, #1037 of 1754 🔗

She is a cancerous growth

291935 ▶▶ peter, replying to Scotty87, 3, #1038 of 1754 🔗

Nick got a lump in its pants, the disgusting tranny.

291941 ▶▶ Two-Six, replying to Scotty87, 5, #1039 of 1754 🔗

Fat uber bitch Sticky Nurgeon has a lump in “her” throat EH?
THAT WILL BE “HER” FUCKIN ADAM’S APPLE!

291822 calchas, replying to calchas, 14, #1040 of 1754 🔗

““What we know about coronavirus from 30 years of experience is that a coronavirus vaccine has a unique peculiarity, which is any attempt at making the vaccine has resulted in the creation of a class of antibodies that actually make vaccinated people sicker when they ultimately suffer exposure to the wild virus.” Robert F. Kennedy Jr.”

291884 ▶▶ JHuntz, replying to calchas, 6, #1041 of 1754 🔗

And there you have COVID 21

291825 redbirdpete, replying to redbirdpete, -9, #1042 of 1754 🔗

This may not go down very well, but I had a conversation with an actual virologist today. She was really excited about the Pfizer vaccine, because IF it works (provides long term resistance – she doesn’t like the word ‘immunity’) the technology would provide us with both a faster way of developing vaccines in the future and an enhanced possibility of developing successful vaccines for very difficult current viruses like AIDS.

Apparently the fundamental difference between the Pfizer vaccine and traditional vaccines is that instead of injecting you with a neutralized version of the virus, the Pfizer vaccine gets your own body to generate the neutralised version and then of course fight it as it would a genuine infection.

She had nothing to say about potential long term effects. But given I’m 65, I’m now a lot less hostile to the vaccination than I was yesterday.

291842 ▶▶ calchas, replying to redbirdpete, 12, #1043 of 1754 🔗

Why don’t you go ahead, make your appointment and give us daily updates?

Thanks in advance.

291864 ▶▶▶ annie, replying to calchas, 10, #1044 of 1754 🔗

Let the virologist have it first.
Money where mouth.

291848 ▶▶ T. Prince, replying to redbirdpete, 8, #1045 of 1754 🔗

But are you reasonably fit and healthy? if so, just let your body “fight it as it would a genuine infection” IF you catch covid? It’s what healthy bodies are designed to do

291851 ▶▶ Evelyn, replying to redbirdpete, 13, #1046 of 1754 🔗

I prefer my own immune system, thanks.

291871 ▶▶ Steve Hayes, replying to redbirdpete, #1047 of 1754 🔗

The word technology is significant. Whatever the Pfizer product is, it is not a vaccine. A vaccine is the infectious agent (in an attenuated form), but Pfizer did not culture the virus, so the infectious agent isn’t in the product. What Pfizer say they did is read the genetic code of the virus, as provided to the World Health Organisation by China.

291875 ▶▶ Van Allen, replying to redbirdpete, 3, #1048 of 1754 🔗

The way I understand it, the problems associated with a dna altering vaccine are likely to be years or even decades in the future. For example many cancers can form and grow undetected for over ten years. Of course, it is possible there may be no problems from the vaccine. It is a very difficult decision for old people and other covid vulnerable people to make as they are comparing a specific known risk with Covid against the unknown risk from the vaccine. For everyone else I would have thought the decision is simple.

291882 ▶▶ Julian, replying to redbirdpete, 8, #1049 of 1754 🔗

Why exactly are you less hostile than you were yesterday?

In the abstract, vaccines almost certainly have their uses, as does most medical technology, treatments etc.

But vaccines are not always safe/desirable/needed and over-use of vaccination as a public health intervention may have unintended consequences.

They are one of many approaches to health, that should be debated dispassionately and not abused for commercial or political gain or ends.

Can you honestly say with things as they stand that we have any chance of a grown up debate on vaccines, or that you trust governments and public health authorities not to abuse their power?

291883 ▶▶ JHuntz, replying to redbirdpete, 4, #1050 of 1754 🔗

I’ve heard this also. In an ethical world we would experiment on terminally ill cancer patients. In an unethical world we are vaccinating healthy people at no risk of the virus with unknown understanding of the consequences.

291945 ▶▶ Jo, replying to redbirdpete, 6, #1051 of 1754 🔗

There are hundreds of virologists, doctors, other scientists out there who are in favour of the vaccine. I don’t hear a single word in your post that would challenge the concerns of Yeadon, Bhadki et al. I listened to an American guy who has worked in vaccines for 45 years talking positively about it. But for all his knowledge, he contradicted himself on various levels, saying eg he could not think of one case of vaccine harm that he hadn’t spotted after 2 months of trials. What about that narcolepsy with swine flu vac? But they all buy in to this dogma – it is like all the psychologists who continue to believe their branch of psychology works, without evidence. Once you have invested your whole career in one branch of something or other, it takes a very special person – and they are in the minority – to be able to stand outside and say – hang on, there isn’t evidence that this works. Very few people have said about this vaccine that it definitely doesn’t work – what they have said is that a) there is as yet limited evidence it does and b) more importantly, you cannot rule out harm for all the reasons already cited.

291965 ▶▶ Lisa (formerly) from Toronto, replying to redbirdpete, 9, #1052 of 1754 🔗

Three letters to keep in mind: ADE (antibody-dependent enhancement). There are two kinds of antibodies — binding antibodies and neutralizing antibodies. Just because a vaccine manufacturer touts that their vaccine creates an antibody response doesn’t mean it’s the response you want. Only neutralizing antibodies block the entry of a pathogen; binding antibodies can lead to ADE such that when someone is then exposed to the wild virus the binding antibodies enhance the pathogen’s entry into host cells. ADE leads to the cytokine storm that is most likely to lead to a bad outcome. In every single attempt to create a vaccine for a coronavirus, the only kind of antibody response has been binding, and in animal trials the animals became extremely sick and died. So I’ll take a pass on this vaccine and sit on the sidelines and see how it pans out.

291983 ▶▶▶ Be Unshakeable, replying to Lisa (formerly) from Toronto, #1053 of 1754 🔗

Sheesh. Something I will have a read about, thanks.

292141 ▶▶▶ Dodderydude, replying to Lisa (formerly) from Toronto, #1054 of 1754 🔗

I think it was Dr Dolores Cahill who I saw explaining this very real risk three or four months ago. She warned that the period between the two jabs could be particularly dangerous if the recipient comes into contact with any coronavirus or flu virus that stimulates the immune system.

291993 ▶▶ Victoria, replying to redbirdpete, 6, #1055 of 1754 🔗

Pro choice and informed decision – if that is your choice, go for it

292008 ▶▶ watashi, replying to redbirdpete, #1056 of 1754 🔗

sorry to hear that redbirdpete. We’d like you to be around a little longer. won’t you reconsider?

291826 kh1485, replying to kh1485, 13, #1057 of 1754 🔗

I just ventured onto the BBC website and saw the revolting image of NHS staff applauding the first recipient of the vaccine. Horrible.

291855 ▶▶ Barney McGrew, replying to kh1485, 1, #1058 of 1754 🔗

And yet… if it makes the f**kwits happy…

291859 ▶▶ annie, replying to kh1485, 1, #1059 of 1754 🔗

They will doubtless applaud round the coffin.

291867 ▶▶ Be Unshakeable, replying to kh1485, 6, #1060 of 1754 🔗

Hahahaha! They are so desperate to sell this shit to the public that the propaganda is descending into extreme comedy farce. I recall a good number of years ago some North Korean propaganda videos surfaced on the internet. This seems amazingly close to that NK propaganda, just utterly absurd and very very funny.

291878 ▶▶ Ewan Duffy, replying to kh1485, 8, #1061 of 1754 🔗

I think they missed a trick – they should have done a choreographed dance routine leading up to the person being wheeled down the corridor.

291890 ▶▶▶ kh1485, replying to Ewan Duffy, 6, #1062 of 1754 🔗

I think, from looking at the photo, she’s actually clapping herself also. It’s like some hideous NHS version of The Price is Right… Come on down Margaret, you have won yourself a COVID jab …

292005 ▶▶ Dan Clarke, replying to kh1485, 4, #1063 of 1754 🔗

Sounds like N Korea, clap or else

292116 ▶▶ Dodderydude, replying to kh1485, 3, #1064 of 1754 🔗

How did they find the time? They’re overwhelmed, aren’t they?

291828 calchas, replying to calchas, 18, #1065 of 1754 🔗

““There is absolutely no need for vaccines to extinguish the pandemic… You do not vaccinate people who aren’t at risk from a disease. You also don’t set about planning to vaccinate millions of fit and healthy people with a vaccine that hasn’t been extensively tested on human subjects.” Dr. Mike Yeadon PhD , Pfizer’s former Vice President and Chief Scientist for Allergy & Respiratory Disease “

291835 ▶▶ Ozzie, replying to calchas, 1, #1066 of 1754 🔗

I have just posted a quote from Hancock, above, which sounds like it fits with this idea. Not sure why he has a change of heart.

291933 ▶▶▶ Ceriain, replying to Ozzie, 5, #1067 of 1754 🔗

Because their private polling says that most fit people have said they won’t touch his vaccine with a bargepole?

291991 ▶▶▶ T. Prince, replying to Ozzie, 6, #1068 of 1754 🔗

I have a horrible feeling that Hancock knows that HE doesn’t have to push the vaccine because his big corporation mates will do by the back door. You want to get on a plane, go to a concert, travel to Scotland, keep your job etc., etc………….

291830 Ozzie, replying to Ozzie, 11, #1069 of 1754 🔗

May well have been posted earlier with reference to talkRadio – Spectator daily COVID-19 update contains the following:

‘Once we’ve protected those who are likely to end up in hospital, those who are most likely, if they get it, to die from coronavirus, then obviously we can rely on people’s personal responsibility to protect themselves rather than the current rules that we have in place.’
– Health Secretary Matt Hancock tells talkRADIO that the government will not wait for every UK resident to be inoculated to get life back to normal.

291840 ▶▶ Barney McGrew, replying to Ozzie, 2, #1070 of 1754 🔗

Sounds good to me.

291857 ▶▶▶ annie, replying to Barney McGrew, 4, #1071 of 1754 🔗

What he means is that if you refuse the snake oil, the wrath of the zombie swill be turned on you.

291852 ▶▶ FlynnQuill, replying to Ozzie, 3, #1072 of 1754 🔗

Due to the fact that he couldn’t lie (pun intended) straight in bed. I’ll take that with a rather large pinch of salt, thank you very much.

291854 ▶▶ Bugle, replying to Ozzie, 3, #1073 of 1754 🔗

Given the mendacity of the government so far, I’ll believe it when I see it.

291885 ▶▶ Achilles, replying to Ozzie, #1074 of 1754 🔗

Of course it’s meaningless as he can just contradict it tomorrow and no-one will care or take him to task for it but interesting that he said taking responsibility to protect themselves and not others considering the entire campaign has focussed on protecting others and not yourself.

291988 ▶▶▶ annie, replying to Achilles, #1075 of 1754 🔗

Focused on a vile pretence, that is.

291959 ▶▶ Lili, replying to Ozzie, 1, #1076 of 1754 🔗

No, he said some restrictions could be ‘eased’. What does ‘ease’ mean? It doesn’t mean ‘overturn’.

291989 ▶▶ Victoria, replying to Ozzie, 1, #1077 of 1754 🔗

Ahh Mattie, we protect ourselves by improving our immune systems – that is the thing that allowed us humans to survive since forever.

291834 Barney McGrew, replying to Barney McGrew, 2, #1078 of 1754 🔗

Sun headline:
TAMING OF THE FLU William Shakespeare, 81, … is 2nd Brit to get Covid jab

And isn’t that the truth? Everyone ‘gets it’ because everyone – deep down – knows it’s another variant of flu.

292160 ▶▶ Nigel Sherratt, replying to Barney McGrew, #1079 of 1754 🔗

Then will he strip his sleeve and show his scars.

291836 Jez Hewitt, 1, #1080 of 1754 🔗
291841 Tim Bidie, replying to Tim Bidie, 2, #1081 of 1754 🔗

Fox News on China’s links to incoming U.S. administration.

China, with WHO in its pocket and in concert with The Democratic Party, leveraged a minor coronavirus common cold epidemic to advantage……..

https://www.foxnews.com/opinion/tucker-carlson-elites-china-collusion-di-dongsheng

All too believable but did anyone do anything illegal?

291906 ▶▶ calchas, replying to Tim Bidie, 2, #1082 of 1754 🔗

China does not have WHO in its pocket:

0.48% of WHO’s funds come from China.

From the UK – 7.79 %

Germany : 5.68%

Other contributions see here:

https://www.indiatoday.in/news-analysis/story/who-funds-who-1667273-2020-04-15

292099 ▶▶▶ Iansn, replying to calchas, #1083 of 1754 🔗

brown envelope type pocket is the most effective means

292112 ▶▶▶ Tim Bidie, replying to calchas, 2, #1084 of 1754 🔗

You are entitled to your view. It is not one that I share.

China has made big investments in Ethiopia and elsewhere in the developing world giving it a major influence in international organisations via the voting power of these many Chinese aid dependent countries. We used to do the same thing……but then we made it illegal for ourselves……..and now we see the results of this idiocy.

‘China’s influence in the WHO started well before the pandemic. Back in 2017, Tedros touted the Belt and Road’s role in advancing access to high-quality health care and parroted Beijing’s call for the creation of a “Health Silk Road” to promote China’s health care model in Belt and Road countries. This was just months after representatives from Tedros’ home country, Ethiopia, attended China’s first Belt and Road Forum in Beijing, marking the culmination of years of heavy Chinese investment in Ethiopia.’

‘Beijing’s leverage over the WHO cannot be understood independently of a much longer and broader campaign, one that aims to bend the arc of global governance toward a more illiberal orientation that privileges the interests of authoritarian act. Over the past several years, Beijing has systematically positioned Chinese nationals at the head of a wide range of U.N. agencies. Since 2019, the U.N. Food and Agriculture Agency has been led by Qu Dongyu, formerly China’s vice minister of agriculture. This followed the 2018 reinstatement of Zhao Houlin, who began his career in China’s Ministry of Posts and Telecommunications, for a second four-year term as the secretary-general of the International Telecommunication Union, a crucial body that sets technical standards for communications networks; Zhao has used his position to advance Huawei’s standing as a vendor of 5G telecommunications equipment worldwide. The previous year, U.N. Secretary-General António Guterres appointed Liu Zhenmin, formerly China’s vice minister for foreign affairs, to a key position in the U.N.’s Department of Economic and Social Affairs — a body tasked with advancing the U.N.’s hallmark program to promote development, combat climate change and reduce inequality. Even the International Civil Aviation Organization, the U.N. agency that regulates global air travel headed by Fang Liu, a Chinese national, has been accused of keeping Taiwan out of the loop on Covid-19 protocols.’

https://www.politico.com/news/magazine/2020/04/15/its-not-just-the-who-how-china-is-moving-on-the-whole-un-189029

291856 calchas, 5, #1085 of 1754 🔗

” “According to LifeSiteNews, a Catholic publication, the Kenya Catholic Doctors Association is charging UNICEF and WHO with sterilizing millions of girls and women under cover of an anti-tetanus vaccination program sponsored by the Kenyan government…

… all six samples tested positive for the HCG antigen. The HCG antigen is used in anti-fertility vaccines, but was found present in tetanus vaccines targeted to young girls and women of childbearing age. Dr. Ngare, spokesman for the Kenya Catholic Doctors Association, stated in a bulletin released November 4:

“This proved right our worst fears; that this WHO campaign is not about eradicating neonatal tetanus but a well-coordinated forceful population control mass sterilization exercise using a proven fertility regulating vaccine. This evidence was presented to the Ministry of Health before the third round of immunization but was ignored.”

(“ Mass Sterilization”: Kenyan Doctors Find Anti-fertility Agent in UN Tetanus Vaccine? “, Global Research )

291862 calchas, replying to calchas, 4, #1086 of 1754 🔗

“We are not convinced that the government has taken adequate responsibility to ensure that Tetanus Toxoid vaccine (TT) laced with Beta human chorionic gonadotropin (b-HCG) sub unit is not being used by the sponsoring development partners. This has previously been used by the same partners in Philippines, Nicaragua and Mexico to vaccinate women against future pregnancy. Beta HCG sub unit is a hormone necessary for pregnancy.

When injected as a vaccine to a non-pregnant woman, this Beta HCG sub unit combined with tetanus toxoid develops antibodies against tetanus and HCG so that if a woman’s egg becomes fertilized, her own natural HCG will be destroyed rendering her permanently infertile . In this situation tetanus vaccination has been used as a birth control method.” (“ Mass Sterilization”: Kenyan Doctors Find Anti-fertility Agent in UN Tetanus Vaccine ?)

291984 ▶▶ Victoria, replying to calchas, 2, #1087 of 1754 🔗

Yes, it was a big scandal

Tetanus vaccine may be laced with anti-fertility drug. International / developing countries

In addition to the World Health Organization (WHO), other organizations involved in the development of an anti-fertility vaccine using hCG include the UN Population Fund, the UN Development Programme, the World Bank, the Population Council, the Rockefeller Foundation, the US National Institute of Child Health and Human Development, the All India Institute of Medical Sciences, and Uppsala, Helsinki, and Ohio State universities.

 The priest objects that, if indeed the purpose of the mass vaccinations is to prevent pregnancies, women are uninformed, unsuspecting, and unconsenting victims.

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/12346214/

291863 Wolver, replying to Wolver, 10, #1088 of 1754 🔗

Just doing a YouGov survey and this question has just popped up..

Once people start receiving vaccinations for COVID-19, do you think those who​ have been vaccinated should no longer be subject to coronavirus restrictions (e.g. having to stay at home, having to wear masks, etc) or should everyone still be subject to the same coronavirus restrictions until most people have been vaccinated?

Option 1. Those who have been vaccinated should not be subject to any more restrictions.

Option 2. Everyone should be subject to the same coronavirus restrictions until most people have be vaccinated.

Option 3. Don’t know.

I’m going to have to select don’t know. But no wonder these survey results are skewed.

291870 ▶▶ Julian, replying to Wolver, 3, #1089 of 1754 🔗

That’s why sceptic organisations or parties need to design some proper surveys to find out what people really think, and use it to inform a mass media campaign to un-brainwash people

291876 ▶▶ Achilles, replying to Wolver, 1, #1090 of 1754 🔗

Quite clearly they have no interest in collecting information or learning anything, just another figure to to wave in front of people when implementing a policy.

291877 ▶▶ Be Unshakeable, replying to Wolver, 3, #1091 of 1754 🔗

So the assumption is that there should be at least some form of restriction regardless?

Wankers.

291903 ▶▶ godowneasy, replying to Wolver, 4, #1092 of 1754 🔗

Option 4 – None of the above – give us back our freedom

291990 ▶▶▶ annie, replying to godowneasy, #1093 of 1754 🔗

As far as we are concerned, that’s the only option.

291927 ▶▶ Sophie123, replying to Wolver, 7, #1094 of 1754 🔗

What horseshit. How about “there should be no restrictions and if that scares the crap out of you, then get a bloody vaccine”

291939 ▶▶ Silke David, replying to Wolver, #1095 of 1754 🔗

Interestingly, answer 2 is the most ticked one.
(did the survey, too\)

291868 calchas, replying to calchas, 6, #1096 of 1754 🔗

“The teams of psychologists who worked with governments (to sell the Covid terror) and who figured out that mundane reality must be turned on its head– through social distancing, masks, shelter-in-place orders, the closing of schools, businesses, public gatherings, and religious services– in order (to create a disorienting and terrifying environment) to usher in a new authoritarian system in which personal freedom extends no further than selecting one’s online purchases from either Costco or Amazon. These psychologists deserve much of the credit for the transformation of the western world into a lockdown police state ruled by scheming miscreants who will now decide our future for us.”

https://www.unz.com/mwhitney/the-covid-19-vaccine-is-the-goal-immunity-or-depopulation/

291869 ▶▶ Julian, replying to calchas, 4, #1097 of 1754 🔗

Nice to see someone at unz waking up. Steve Sailer, who normally has a good nose for bullshit, seems to have swallowed the covid narrative.

291900 ▶▶ godowneasy, replying to calchas, 2, #1098 of 1754 🔗

Shouldn’t “psychologists” read “psychopaths”?

291919 ▶▶▶ Liam, replying to godowneasy, 4, #1099 of 1754 🔗

In my experience most people working in that field are deeply mentally disturbed.

291880 Lainey, replying to Lainey, 6, #1100 of 1754 🔗

I wonder how Bill Gates is going to spend his first day in control of Margaret Keenan, 90, from Coventry.

https://twitter.com/ConMend/status/1336249743182327808

291891 ▶▶ Achilles, replying to Lainey, 9, #1101 of 1754 🔗

Probably a whole bunch of Windows Updates to catch up on, she won’t be able to move for hours.

291911 ▶▶ VickyA, replying to Lainey, 6, #1102 of 1754 🔗

And she will get even slower with updates!

291918 ▶▶ godowneasy, replying to Lainey, 5, #1103 of 1754 🔗

Isn’t it a bit dangerous to have to re-boot someone of that age?

291956 ▶▶ Be Unshakeable, replying to Lainey, 2, #1104 of 1754 🔗

She’ll probably get a virus.

291963 ▶▶ steve_w, replying to Lainey, 2, #1105 of 1754 🔗

Installing a Windows Update. She’s gonna be out of action for days

291887 JHuntz, replying to JHuntz, 7, #1106 of 1754 🔗

We now have a world run by tech nerds and scientists. No doubt these people have their place in society but it was never as leaders.

291908 ▶▶ Liam, replying to JHuntz, 4, #1107 of 1754 🔗

The “public health” (a misnomer if ever there was one) fanatics are having the time of their lives. They’ve been building up to this for years. Revenge of the weird, spotty kids against the confident, outgoing people.

291942 ▶▶▶ JHuntz, replying to Liam, 4, #1108 of 1754 🔗

It feels a lot like that. Just looking at Whitty and Vallance you get the impression they’d have been bullied at school by the boys and overlooked by the girls.

291986 ▶▶▶▶ Fingerache Philip., replying to JHuntz, 5, #1109 of 1754 🔗

Bullied by the girls and overlooked by the boys?

291996 ▶▶▶▶▶ JHuntz, replying to Fingerache Philip., 4, #1110 of 1754 🔗

that’s prob more like it actually

292365 ▶▶▶▶ Cranmer, replying to JHuntz, 1, #1111 of 1754 🔗

There’s a line in the film ‘Enigma’ (about the development of the first computers at Bletchley Park) where some aristocratic type has a go at the boffins, saying that they love the war because for the first time in their lives they get to feel important.

292093 ▶▶▶ Mabel Cow, replying to Liam, 7, #1112 of 1754 🔗

As a coder myself, I can assure you that the very last thing you should do is give techies any power at all. The dominant personality type is the borderline autistic; other people are just hollow shells to us, objects to navigate around, not people with feelings and lives of their own. The real world is just another computer game and is treated as such, as though we can just reboot it at any point and erase our mistakes. Nothing needs to be thought through, no one else’s point of view matters, everything is reduced to idiotically simplistic models.

To the extent that I’m in favour of politicians at all (which isn’t very far), I actually think they are better off being humanities graduates because at least then they might have some idea about the human condition. However, the problem comes when they allow themselves to fall under the spell of The Science(TM) and forget that it’s the people who matter, not the atoms that those people are made from.

292152 ▶▶▶▶ Nigel Sherratt, replying to Mabel Cow, #1113 of 1754 🔗

The whole problem started with Cummings’s tech fetish.

292147 ▶▶ Nigel Sherratt, replying to JHuntz, #1114 of 1754 🔗

Mrs T? (Thatcher studied chemistry at Somerville College, Oxford , and worked briefly as a research chemist , before becoming a barrister .)

291893 peyrole, replying to peyrole, 7, #1115 of 1754 🔗

Sorry if previously posted. The FDA have given their initial appraisal of the Pfizer vaccine.
In amongst the findings is this passage;
Severe adverse reactions occurred in 0.0-4.6% of participants, were more frequent after Dose 2 than after Dose 1 and were generally less frequent in older adults (>55 years of age) (<2.8%) as compared to younger participants (≤4.6%). Among reported unsolicited adverse events, lymphadenopathy occurred much more frequently in the vaccine group than the placebo group and is plausibly related to vaccination.”
It doesn’t say what % have lymphadenopathy, but if its greater than the % of people dying from covid, this should be stopped. Lymphadenopathy is very variable, some can last for years with no chemo, others die quickly; its cancer, too many B cells, not enough T-cells caused by over-stimulation of the immune system.

291917 ▶▶ steve_w, replying to peyrole, 1, #1116 of 1754 🔗

long Lymphadenopathy

291923 ▶▶ DressageRider, replying to peyrole, 3, #1117 of 1754 🔗

Peyrole, isn’t that simply swollen lumph nodes, and wouldn’t that occur anyway if one is fighting off an infection of some sort?

291949 ▶▶▶ peyrole, replying to DressageRider, #1118 of 1754 🔗

At one end of the spectrum it can be, at the other end its severe cancer.

292085 ▶▶▶▶ Dodderydude, replying to peyrole, #1119 of 1754 🔗

Indeed. My elderly dog was found to have swollen lymph nodes at a routine check up about two weeks ago. Subsequent blood tests have confirmed she has leukaemia.

291896 Andrew K, replying to Andrew K, 2, #1120 of 1754 🔗

Of all the conspiracy theories I’ve read I think this one could be believable. The communist have infiltrated every aspect of life in every country and the vaccine is a form of biological warfare. Certainly ties in that we’ll own nothing in ten years time, in line with communist ideology. I think this video was done in the summer and he talks about fertility issues and control bought about by this vaccine. One thing for sure is all nations can’t be as dumb as each other in handling a non existent pandemic.

https://medicalkidnap.com/2020/11/30/covid-vaccines-biological-weapons-of-mass-destruction-says-wyoming-medical-doctor-and-manager-for-wyomings-state-public-health-department/

291913 ▶▶ l835, replying to Andrew K, 5, #1121 of 1754 🔗

Certainly Wales is being run by Marxists

291932 ▶▶ RickH, replying to Andrew K, 3, #1122 of 1754 🔗

The communist have infiltrated every aspect of life in every country”

FFS bang another drum. It’s the neoliberals who have created this shit-show.

291951 ▶▶▶ Lili, replying to RickH, 4, #1123 of 1754 🔗

The neo liberals ARE the marxists.

291987 ▶▶ leggy, replying to Andrew K, 1, #1124 of 1754 🔗

That ties in with what Tucker Carlson is saying here. More to the point, what the Chinese lecturer is saying.

https://video.foxnews.com/v/6214769762001#sp=show-clips

292027 ▶▶ awildgoose, replying to Andrew K, #1125 of 1754 🔗

There are a lot of people in the West on the CCP payroll.

That should be obvious from the behavior of Western pols alone.

291897 Ozzie, replying to Ozzie, 8, #1126 of 1754 🔗

Just read the “Pandemic Penitents” in the list of articles above the line and came across this (below). I was particularly angered by the last line – how sad that an easy solution must be discounted. That what all of this has been about – intervention on a grand scale, government seen to be doing something.

“Consider two strategies for dealing with the Covid-19 virus: urge the public to spend time outside in the sun to build up their vitamin D, and to take supplements of the vitamin, repeatedly demonstrated to protect against viral infection; or shut down most businesses, deprive children of classroom education, and order everyone to stay home, a strategy never previously tested and yet to prove effective.

Which strategy would you try first? If you chose the vitamin D, you have no future in the public-health establishment. While a few researchers are touting the vitamin’s potential and advocating government programs to distribute the supplements during the pandemic, the Centers for Disease Control can’t bring itself even to suggest that people take the pills on their own. In its Covid-19 guidelines, the CDC declares that “there are insufficient data to recommend either for or against the use of vitamin D.””

291904 ▶▶ Liam, replying to Ozzie, #1127 of 1754 🔗

City Journal has some great articles generally. This one from a few weeks back is worth a read if you can, speaking against fear and safetyism.

https://www.city-journal.org/trump-coronavirus-diagnosis-models-positive-masculinity

292024 ▶▶ awildgoose, replying to Ozzie, 2, #1128 of 1754 🔗

No Big Pharma profits in sunshine and bit D, mate.

291966 ▶▶ PatrickF, replying to microdave, 4, #1130 of 1754 🔗

Margaret Keenan has been un masked. She is Margarethe Pfizer! This has been confirmed by BBC fact checkers.

291901 skybluesam, replying to skybluesam, 8, #1131 of 1754 🔗

Anyone have any knowledge on whether GDPR still exists? I was in my bank branch at the weekend and they had a sign up that told me if I was suspected of being within 2 metres of somebody with cold symptoms they may “pass on my contact details to test and trace”.

Now they presumably meant the contact details on my bank account that I gave them for banking. Can they really pass them on for another reason without my consent?

I did one of those surveys they email you afterwards and expressed my concern and just received a phone call. Some of it was just absurd:

“I think if we’ve put that sign there that must mean we can do that”

“But that’s not what I gave you my details for and I don’t consent to that, surely that’s a breach of GDPR”

“Well the government can authorise us to do it”

“Have they authorised you to?”

“Well I don’t think we’d have put the sign up if they didn’t”

“You don’t think?”

“I’m certain”

“You’re certain? You weren’t 30 seconds ago”

Anyone know whether they can actually do this!?

291907 ▶▶ FlynnQuill, replying to skybluesam, 4, #1132 of 1754 🔗

You should have told her that cold symptoms are not a symptom of COVID.

291909 ▶▶▶ skybluesam, replying to FlynnQuill, 4, #1133 of 1754 🔗

I was being facetious. It said “symptoms of covid”. But we all know anyone with a cough or the sniffles is considered to have “symptoms of covid”. Being perfectly healthy is the main “symptom of covid”

291920 ▶▶▶▶ FlynnQuill, replying to skybluesam, 1, #1134 of 1754 🔗

Too true :).

291979 ▶▶▶ Ben, replying to FlynnQuill, 1, #1135 of 1754 🔗

But coronaviruses include the common cold and flu

291916 ▶▶ steve_w, replying to skybluesam, 1, #1136 of 1754 🔗

from memory, GDPR can be ignored in a health emergency

291937 ▶▶ JHuntz, replying to skybluesam, 3, #1137 of 1754 🔗

No sure, anyone know whether the law in general still exists?

291955 ▶▶▶ Richard Pinch, replying to JHuntz, 2, #1138 of 1754 🔗
292003 ▶▶▶▶ skybluesam, replying to Richard Pinch, 1, #1139 of 1754 🔗

I’ve called them up. The guy didn’t seem to know for sure but said he thinks they can’t do that. Advised me to email them and I’ll get a fuller response. Will be emailing them tonight

292126 ▶▶▶▶▶ Richard Pinch, replying to skybluesam, 3, #1140 of 1754 🔗

Make it a formal complaint. The organisation is required to be able to explain its privacy policy to you, and clearly failed to do so.

291957 ▶▶▶ DressageRider, replying to JHuntz, #1141 of 1754 🔗

Yes, of course it does. It is an EU law which the UK is signed up to after Brexit as far as I am aware.
ico.org. uk

291982 ▶▶▶ Liam, replying to JHuntz, 3, #1142 of 1754 🔗

This. The rule of law left town some time ago.

291995 ▶▶▶▶ JHuntz, replying to Liam, 1, #1143 of 1754 🔗

My point exactly

291973 ▶▶ MiriamW-sometimes-AlanG, replying to skybluesam, 4, #1144 of 1754 🔗

Excuse me if I’m being thick but how could your bank know you’d been near someone with ‘symptoms’? Are they referring to customers who scan the T&T QR code inside the branch or are they routinely sending on everyone’s details who used the branch that day to T&T? Whatever, this sounds dodgy!

For what it’s worth GDPR is now meaningless – the Government overrode this at the beginning of the scam and, as far as we know, nothing has changed.

Hancock issues six-month order for NHS to share confidential patient data
Usual limitations relaxed as organisations across the NHS are told to share data in fight against coronavirus

Sam Trendall Civil Service World, 7 April 2020 MW

292000 ▶▶▶ skybluesam, replying to MiriamW-sometimes-AlanG, 1, #1145 of 1754 🔗

From what I can tell, they are saying that if a customer got in touch and said they were symptomatic, they could go back and see which customers were in the branch at the same time then pass on the contact details directly from your bank account to T&T. It sounds so wrong to me but who knows, every other aspect of law is now irrelevant, why not GDPR?

292022 ▶▶▶▶ awildgoose, replying to skybluesam, 1, #1146 of 1754 🔗

Yes, this is just one type of info they could use for this.

Back in 2003 the Milanese police rolled up a CIA rendition team and site with nothing more than the cell tower logs of which SIMs had connected over a one hour window in the block where the kidnap happened.

The Italians were chuffed at the violation of their national sovereignty, rightfully so.

292121 ▶▶▶▶ MiriamW-sometimes-AlanG, replying to skybluesam, #1147 of 1754 🔗

Thanks, this makes sense. Another way of hastening the closure of branches by the sound of it. MW

292363 ▶▶▶ Cranmer, replying to MiriamW-sometimes-AlanG, #1148 of 1754 🔗

The NHS has also over-ruled privacy – if you opt out of your personal data being shared for medical research, this does not apply to anything ‘Covid related’ – quite shocking really.

292013 ▶▶ kf99, replying to skybluesam, 3, #1149 of 1754 🔗

The one time I had sympathy for Jeremy Corbyn – remember when Virgin trains completely ignored their own endless signs about what the cctv is for in the saga of him sitting on the floor. The legality or otherwise was completely ignored by everyone in gleeful Corbyn bashing.

292359 ▶▶ Cranmer, replying to skybluesam, 2, #1150 of 1754 🔗

The logic seems to be ‘if we’ve put up a sign, then we must be able to do it’.

291931 ▶▶ JHuntz, replying to arfurmo, 1, #1152 of 1754 🔗

To be fair though she has saved some of the Hannukah period which was the main priority of the current three week short and sharp thingy:-

“Lifting the Level 4 restrictions then – as we will do – also means that they will not be in place for most of the Hanukkah period – so again, while celebrations may be different, there will be a greater degree of freedom.”
She added: “We will assess nearer the time the level that will apply in each area when the Level 4 restrictions end on December 11.”
The First Minister said she hopes affected areas will be able to move to Level 2 “much more quickly than would otherwise be the case”.

291952 ▶▶▶ TheBigman, replying to JHuntz, #1153 of 1754 🔗

Where is that printed for I don’t see it on the above link

291992 ▶▶▶▶ JHuntz, replying to TheBigman, 1, #1154 of 1754 🔗
292115 ▶▶▶▶▶ TheBigman, replying to JHuntz, 1, #1155 of 1754 🔗

Interesting that she mentions Hannukah…in Scotland

292151 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ JHuntz, replying to TheBigman, 1, #1156 of 1754 🔗

it’s a real worry at the moment. the talk of the town in Glasgow.

291914 Paul, replying to Paul, 11, #1157 of 1754 🔗

The postbox on my estate is now wearing a big sticker that says ‘Priority Postbox – Supporting the NHS’.I don’t know what the bloody hell that’s supposed to mean,apart from the usual virtue signalling,there isn’t any NHS location around here.

291924 ▶▶ Mark, replying to Paul, 10, #1158 of 1754 🔗

Would be awful if some overenthusiastic dissenter were to deface it…

291929 ▶▶▶ Paul, replying to Mark, 9, #1159 of 1754 🔗

Yes it would,truly awful,I can’t imagine the sort of person who would do something like that…

291926 ▶▶ Liam, replying to Paul, 7, #1160 of 1754 🔗

Nothing means anything in Clownworld.

291940 ▶▶ TheOriginalBlackPudding, replying to Paul, 2, #1161 of 1754 🔗

I’ve seen quite a few of those. The first one I saw was adjacent the commercial/industrial estate on the edge of town, which seemed odd. Then last week I saw half a dozen young women close by there, all wearing “Track and Trace”-emblazoned hi-viz coats, so maybe they have offices thereabouts. Who knows what locations NHS have now after the mega spending splurge?

292046 ▶▶ kh1485, replying to Paul, 2, #1162 of 1754 🔗

The next thing will be that they are repainted in rainbow colours …

292129 ▶▶ Old Bill, replying to Paul, 1, #1163 of 1754 🔗

What you have probably missed is that the acronym NHS has been redesignated to stand for ‘Notional Health Service’. The National version died years ago.

292330 ▶▶ A. Contrarian, replying to Paul, #1164 of 1754 🔗

I asked this on here ages ago, apparently it’s something to do with being able to post your covid swab samples back for analysis from the home testing I guess, presumably they actually send on the mail from those postboxes rather than chucking it in the bin like they normally do.

292037 ▶▶ Andrew K, replying to Harry hopkins, 1, #1166 of 1754 🔗

Thanks I had put the youtube link in my FB and that got taken down as well.

291934 TheBigman, 23, #1167 of 1754 🔗

ANYONE REMEMBER TRAIN TICKETS?

Well I am hopeful that some might. The humble paper ticket has been getting hammered by first being made of poorer quality stock then shifted to a ‘smart’ card and next to your phone as a QR code and from there who knows.

The reason I bring this up? Because these ‘covid passes’ will go exactly the same way. Frog in boiling water stuff.

Glad to see the link to Conservative Woman talking about transhumanism. For this is part of the plan in store for us.

THIS IS WHY RESISTANCE TO EVEN THE TINIEST OF INFRACTIONS MUST BE SWIFT.

PUT ON YOUR ARMOUR AND REMEMBER WHAT MILLIONS GAVE OVER HUNDREDS OF YEARS FOR YOU TO EVEN BE HERE.

291938 Ben, replying to Ben, 15, #1168 of 1754 🔗

comment image

The only people who will win in this proposed dystopia are pharma and tech shareholders

https://twitter.com/NeilClark66/status/1335999707424972806?s=20

291961 ▶▶ Steve Hayes, replying to Ben, 5, #1169 of 1754 🔗

Why would one need proof that one had been vaccinated?

291970 ▶▶▶ Ben, replying to Steve Hayes, 5, #1170 of 1754 🔗

Why does China have a social credit system.. Why do shareholders own shares..

291999 ▶▶▶▶ Steve Hayes, replying to Ben, 5, #1171 of 1754 🔗

Are you implying that one would need proof of vaccination for social control and profit, rather than health reasons?

292010 ▶▶▶▶▶ leggy, replying to Steve Hayes, 7, #1172 of 1754 🔗

Kind of seems that way doesn’t it? Otherwise why go to all these lengths over something not much more dangerous than common or garden flu?

292016 ▶▶▶▶▶ 6097 Smith W, replying to Steve Hayes, 1, #1173 of 1754 🔗

well obviously

291977 ▶▶▶ calchas, replying to Steve Hayes, 14, #1174 of 1754 🔗

Logically of course you are right.

If each person gets vaccinated to protect themselves then you shouldn’t need proof for anyone else.

The fact that we are talking about this shows that the issue here is not health but control.

292004 ▶▶▶▶ Steve Hayes, replying to calchas, 4, #1175 of 1754 🔗

Is it not revealing that the discussion of this in the media and politics resolutely ignores the logic?

292014 ▶▶▶▶▶ calchas, replying to Steve Hayes, 2, #1176 of 1754 🔗

Of course.

292433 ▶▶▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Steve Hayes, #1177 of 1754 🔗

Even though, daily, it’s screamed loudly BTL.

291947 D B, replying to D B, 1, #1178 of 1754 🔗

Just seen that the fella who picked up the EDL protestor “covidiot” who was getting his head caved in at the anti-BLM march has won Humanitarian of the Year from GQ – the hypocrisy is enormous.

292072 ▶▶ Seansaighdeoir, replying to D B, 4, #1179 of 1754 🔗

Staged. The ‘EDL protester’ just having been a ‘former’ undercover cop working in penetrating the ‘far-right’ football gangs.

Who’d a thought…

292110 ▶▶▶ Jonathan Palmer, replying to Seansaighdeoir, 1, #1180 of 1754 🔗

He was wearing fighting gloves as well and Reuters top photographer just happened to be there to take the picture.

292225 ▶▶▶▶ Seansaighdeoir, replying to Jonathan Palmer, 1, #1181 of 1754 🔗

Yes Reuters award winning photo journalist just happened to catch it – as Harry Hill would say ‘what are the chances!’… lol

291953 George Mc, replying to George Mc, 29, #1183 of 1754 🔗

Last night to get reliable info on COVID I typed in “yeadon COVID” (for Mike Yeadon). Up came scary graphs of accelerating COVID deaths with side bars that told me numbers for England and the UK. The cases were so many million. The deaths were so many thousand. The number of “recovered” was 0.

I clicked on “more info” and was confronted by line after line of horror from every area in the UK.

On the eve of their wretched vaccine assault they are shitting themselves that people will just refuse and they are pulling out every stop. Accelerations of terror statistics, the grinning corpse faces of viciously servile celebs, increase in number of sepulchral ominous news intonations.

It’s as if the Mafia or the Nazis had taken over every branch of the entire planet.

And then I thought again about that figure of 0 for the recovered. Not likely. And then I realised they would say they can’t assume that those who had SEEMED to recover really had. Or they would say they hadn’t yet had time to be sure. But there’s a big difference between that and NO recoveries.

They are so fucking desperate to push this vaccine.

291968 ▶▶ Janice21, replying to George Mc, 4, #1184 of 1754 🔗

Yet many test centres are fairly empty. They wouldn’t make numbers up, would they?!

292009 ▶▶▶ calchas, replying to Janice21, 5, #1185 of 1754 🔗

Why not?

I think so much is now at stake, that it wouldn’t surprise me.

How can we check?

If there’s no way anyone can check, then why not.

I’m not saying they are – just not discounting the possibility.

292201 ▶▶▶▶ Biker, replying to calchas, 4, #1186 of 1754 🔗

i’ll make the leap and say i don’t believe they tested hardly anyone

291960 Cecil B, replying to Cecil B, 3, #1187 of 1754 🔗

Who are these spanners?

How can something be worse than he worse case scenario?

Fecking idiots

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-politics-55229528

291969 ▶▶ Steve Hayes, replying to Cecil B, 2, #1188 of 1754 🔗

So the firebreak worked.

291972 ▶▶▶ Janice21, replying to Steve Hayes, 3, #1189 of 1754 🔗

Just like masks, space, e.t.c. all worked eh?

291974 ▶▶▶ 6097 Smith W, replying to Steve Hayes, 9, #1190 of 1754 🔗

It did unemployment is up, other deaths are up, everyone is miserable what more can a lockdown achieve

291976 ▶▶ steve_w, replying to Cecil B, 5, #1191 of 1754 🔗

gonna need a bigger worst case scenario

291978 ▶▶ l835, replying to Cecil B, 4, #1192 of 1754 🔗

It’s the technical advisory group =TAG they report to the technical (Wales) advisory team – science =TWATS

292002 ▶▶ Tenchy, replying to Cecil B, 3, #1193 of 1754 🔗

I see Git Gething is blaming the people.

291962 Janice21, replying to Janice21, 16, #1194 of 1754 🔗

What have I just done to my eyes. Watched the Matt Hancock act cry/laugh clip about the vaccine. One of the most weirdest and cringeworthy things I have ever seen. Boke

292034 ▶▶ Liz F, replying to Janice21, 4, #1195 of 1754 🔗

Like the vaccine, he’s just a little prick.

291980 PatrickF, replying to PatrickF, 18, #1196 of 1754 🔗

Chuffing heck! How low can Matt Hancock go? To disguise himself as a 90 year old woman, calling himself Margaret Keenan, just to get the first vaccine is outrageous!

292048 ▶▶ annie, replying to PatrickF, 4, #1197 of 1754 🔗

Wankok won’t be having the vaccine.
Wamkok knows what’s in it.

292123 ▶▶▶ John P, replying to annie, #1198 of 1754 🔗

I thought he’d had covid? He’s immune already.

There’d be no point unless as a publicity stunt.

292198 ▶▶▶▶ Biker, replying to John P, 3, #1199 of 1754 🔗

They’ve all said they’ve had to it avoid taking the vaccine. If Boris handn’t pretended to have been ill he’d have been forced to let Philip Scofield stick him with a little prick live on tv

291981 Tenchy, replying to Tenchy, 7, #1200 of 1754 🔗

A sinister letter in today’s Telegraph:

SIR – Vaccination certificates will almost certainly be required when travel again becomes possible for the general public.

However, for these certificates to be reliable, their issue will need to be at least as secure as it is for national passports, to ensure that the people presenting them are the ones who were vaccinated. Impersonation and forgery are common.

Anyone who plans to travel should ensure that they have a clear record of their vaccination, so that a secure certificate may be issued retrospectively when it becomes compulsory.

William Fleming
Former Border Force Senior Officer
Frimley, Surrey

I think the author is this guy:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g5hNZkvQ_yo

(There are a few other letters in a similar vein. Website here – paywall):

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/opinion/2020/12/08/lettersshops-should-soon-bar-entry-anyone-without-vaccination/

292006 ▶▶ Lockdown_Lunacy, replying to Tenchy, 6, #1201 of 1754 🔗

“Former Border Force Senior Officer”

So, some retired ex mid level penpusher who reads the Telegraph.

EDIT – Just clicked the youtube link 🤣

292015 ▶▶ leggy, replying to Tenchy, 5, #1202 of 1754 🔗

Put him on the list.

292065 ▶▶▶ Cecil B, replying to leggy, 2, #1203 of 1754 🔗

Done

292075 ▶▶▶ Alice, replying to leggy, 1, #1204 of 1754 🔗
292021 ▶▶ JohnB, replying to Tenchy, 7, #1205 of 1754 🔗

Poor lad has waited all his life to get a letter published in the DT signed as ‘ Former Border Force Senior Officer’.

292032 ▶▶ Be Unshakeable, replying to Tenchy, 4, #1206 of 1754 🔗

Lol! What a silly cunt.

292043 ▶▶ Dame Lynet, replying to Tenchy, 4, #1207 of 1754 🔗

Yes, let’s listen to him because Border Force have done such a great job over the years.

292133 ▶▶ mikewaite, replying to Tenchy, 6, #1208 of 1754 🔗

Suppose future air passengers require vaccination certificates . They will be sharing the same space and recirculated air as the air crew, some times for 8 hours. Many of the aircrew are young females. Given the worry about the effect on fertility, will the female contingent of the aircrew consent to vaccination to keep their jobs?
If the airline insists on examining the vaccination credentials of the passengers, should not the latter demand the same information of the aircrew. Otherwise you have a mixture of vaccinated and unvaccinated in the same plane for many hours, which the advocates of vaccination certificates are zealous to prevent.

292175 ▶▶▶ Tenchy, replying to mikewaite, 3, #1209 of 1754 🔗

Good point. And reassuring to think that it could be nigh-on impossible to implement a working system.

292149 ▶▶ anon, replying to Tenchy, 2, #1210 of 1754 🔗

‘former’

promoted to the seventy seventh perhaps?

292011 awildgoose, 7, #1211 of 1754 🔗
292012 Nick Rose, replying to Nick Rose, 18, #1212 of 1754 🔗

Uncertain if this message is aimed at Piffle Johnson or Foot Penis… It does mention a trough, but I believe this is actually a spelling mistake

292122 ▶▶ Nigel Sherratt, replying to Nick Rose, #1213 of 1754 🔗

Been done better and with more style.

Yes, I wish that for just one time
You could stand inside my shoes
You’d know what a drag it is
To see you

292193 ▶▶▶ Biker, replying to Nigel Sherratt, 2, #1214 of 1754 🔗

Robert Burns did it first. To see ourselves as others see us.

292018 Cedric the dragon, replying to Cedric the dragon, 5, #1215 of 1754 🔗

We have escaped Wales and arrived in Madeira! Warm and sunny, everyone pleased to see us. Free covid test at airport here unless you have a -ve test within 72 hours cert. from UK – run on a sensible number of cycles I suspect as not many +ves. We were pleased to test -ve- results after 6-9 hours- and not have to isolate for 14 days. Travel corridor to UK so no isolation at home on return either. Flew from Bristol (tier 3) but no problem driving down M5 from Gloucestershire, tier 2. Highly recommended although the masks in public spaces indoors is a pain. We scuttle into our favourite restaurant and sit down quickly near a door!

292059 ▶▶ Janice21, replying to Cedric the dragon, 2, #1216 of 1754 🔗

So jealous! Enjoy

292026 godowneasy, replying to godowneasy, 27, #1217 of 1754 🔗

There is some great silly humour on here today. Perhaps it’s a measure of the level of insanity going on? Don’t get me wrong, I really appreciate all the serious postings too. With me, it’s a case of preferring to laugh rather than cry and I have a tendency to revert to dark humour when things are tough.

I genuinely wish all the grandmas and grandpas the very best of luck in this first mass trial. NB No guinea pigs were harmed in making this posting.

292057 ▶▶ Janice21, replying to godowneasy, 6, #1218 of 1754 🔗

I was thinking the same, if you didn’t laugh, you would cry. My mental health can be low at the best of times but I have actually been perked up today here with some of the humour going on…..especially about the poster blacking out at the cornflakes in Iceland after putting a mask on.

292117 ▶▶ Ceriain, replying to godowneasy, 7, #1219 of 1754 🔗

I agree. I think we need the humour.

One of the reasons I post the webpages I edit, then post are just to show the absurdity of the crap the sheep are lapping up. An example below is one I done the other day; I reckon the beeb could have posted this and no-one would have batted an eyelid. Hope it gives you, and others here, a giggle. 🙂

292132 ▶▶▶ godowneasy, replying to Ceriain, 2, #1220 of 1754 🔗

Spot on – let’s keep going!

292029 leggy, replying to leggy, 5, #1221 of 1754 🔗

Here’s an interesting one. Seems the FAA are still deliberating whether having the vaccine would invalidate pilot medicals:

https://www.avweb.com/aviation-news/faa-reviewing-whether-pilots-can-take-covid-vaccine/

No such statement from the CAA or EASA that I can see, despite the fact that the jabathon is already under way here.

292050 ▶▶ Victoria, replying to leggy, 1, #1222 of 1754 🔗

Ahh interesting

292127 ▶▶▶ Jo, replying to Victoria, #1223 of 1754 🔗

Very

292386 ▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to leggy, 1, #1224 of 1754 🔗

It will be ironic if pilots aren’t allowed it but passengers can’t fly without it!

292033 Mike Collins, replying to Mike Collins, 3, #1225 of 1754 🔗

The reply to my ‘vote against mandatory vaccination’ letter. At least this time I hope he (and his colleagues) don’t abstain in any vote.

Dear Mike,

Thank you very much for your email.

The UK’s medical regulator – the Medicines and Healthcare products Regulatory Agency (MHRA) – has issued clinical authorisation for the Pfizer/BioNTech COVID-19 vaccine. This is fantastic news and I congratulate all those involved. Throughout this pandemic, we have rightly paid tribute to health, care and other key workers for their selflessness and dedication on the frontline in the fight against this virus. It is right that scientists, who have been working incredibly hard on a vaccine, are afforded the respect, admiration and recognition they deserve.

As you note, we have a successful history with vaccinations but we do not have any history of mandatory vaccination. The Government have confirmed that they will not be compulsory while strongly urging everyone to take up the offer of a vaccine.

Vaccinations save lives and I believe we must do everything possible to promote uptake. The UK has the highest regulatory and medical safety standards in the world. However, I know that people in our constituency and across the country will have legitimate questions. It is important that the Government launches a public information campaign to answer questions and encourage uptake.

Best wishes
Jonathan

Jonathan Reynolds MP
Member of Parliament for Stalybridge and Hyde
Shadow Secretary of State for Work and Pensions

292384 ▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Mike Collins, #1226 of 1754 🔗

Scary!!

292035 BJJ, 30, #1227 of 1754 🔗

I was sitting in an Italian restaurant at noon (they were made to close at 1 o´clock) here in Campo de Ourique in Lisbon and the Matron came to us and said: “What are they doing, this does not make sense.” I said, “my dear this is all lies”, and she said “yes it is all lies, is there this “reset thing” behind this or what.” “I don´t know I said, but we will prevail.” And we agreed on that.

292036 NickR, 14, #1228 of 1754 🔗

Good to see that the Telegraph are beginning to look at the data that’s been hiding in plain sight for weeks https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2020/12/08/data-showing-rising-cases-second-lockdown-quietly-revised/ showing that the key indicators were flatlining & not rising when we locked down. What are the chances that anyone’s going to issue an apology to the 1/2 m or so poor schmucks who got thrown on the dole as a result?

292039 Vessela, replying to Vessela, 8, #1229 of 1754 🔗

Not sure whether any Swedish person commented on the the article about Sweden, but the Daily Mail is obviously spreading misinformation. The covid death cases there are quite low at the moment – nowhere near 55 per day. Yesterday they had 2 death cases. The peak was on 24 November with 65 death cases, but they have been falling rapidly ever since – 15 on average last week.
https://experience.arcgis.com/experience/09f821667ce64bf7be6f9f87457ed9aa

292163 ▶▶ swedenborg, replying to Vessela, 3, #1230 of 1754 🔗

The Swedish data is difficult to follow day to day. They usually report deaths in a batch reported deaths but not every day. Today 133 deaths reported from 4th Nov. Cases are also reported in batches often not from all regions the same date. Then the reported deaths are distributed to the day of death which you see with some delay on your link.

The best information about the Swedish situation report is usually

https://twitter.com/HaraldofW/status/1336334019265380353

https://twitter.com/HaraldofW/status/1335922963233853440

The first twitter thread describes the current situation. The second more about deaths. He has usually extremely reliable information. Sweden is a bit after the other European nations and has still not reached the peak of deaths but ICU admittance might have stabilized.

292040 Charlie Blue, 2, #1231 of 1754 🔗

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9030715/More-questions-raised-data-used-send-England-second-lockdown.html

Ooh – ONS revise figures once again!

Just realised this might not be good news, based on the commentary:
“So a peak in deaths almost three weeks into the national lockdown – in the week up to November 20 – shows that the outbreak was at its largest and most rampant at the start of November, just before the shutdown started. Scientists at the time estimated that between 50,000 and 100,000 people were getting infected each day.
And it suggests lockdown worked, bringing infections under control around a month ago which is now translating into fewer people going into hospital and dying.”

292041 NickR, replying to NickR, 10, #1232 of 1754 🔗

Deaths were coming down 2 weeks before there could possibly have been any impact from the lockdown!
The same, of course, was true in the 1st lockdown. Counting back from deaths a month later it was clear that cases peaked the before the March 23rd Lockdown started.

292090 ▶▶ Awkward Git, replying to NickR, 4, #1233 of 1754 🔗

Whitty admitted this on 21st July in a parliament committee hearing.

I’ve posted the link to the video on here a few times, if anyone new wants it post a comment and I’ll put it up again when I get chance in a day or two.

292097 ▶▶▶ Ned of the Hills, replying to Awkward Git, #1234 of 1754 🔗

Aye, please put it up again. Thank you.

292107 ▶▶▶▶ Awkward Git, replying to Ned of the Hills, #1235 of 1754 🔗

Ok look out for it probably Thursday when I get back to my laptop again.

292134 ▶▶▶▶▶ Ned of the Hills, replying to Awkward Git, #1236 of 1754 🔗

Thank you

292191 ▶▶▶▶ Ceriain, replying to Ned of the Hills, 1, #1237 of 1754 🔗

While you wait for the video, you can find the transcript here, Ned: https://committees.parliament.uk/event/1701/formal-meeting-oral-evidence-session/

Even just reading it, you can see how arrogant and rude a man Whitty is.

Q.608 is what you want; towards the end of his answer, he says:

“If you look at the R, and the behaviours, quite a lot of the change that led to the R going below one occurred well before, or to some extent before, the 23rd, when the full lockdown started.”

292358 ▶▶▶▶▶ Ned of the Hills, replying to Ceriain, 1, #1238 of 1754 🔗

Thank you

292131 ▶▶ Ned of the Hills, replying to NickR, 2, #1239 of 1754 🔗

Late reporting can increase the height of the columns in your graph – but I’d say if they are a week old they will not change much now. On that basis the back line (the seven day average I presume) is a strong (possibly indisputable) indication that mortality figures began on the 21st – sixteen days after the lockdown.

Would Professor Whitty himself claim this was due to the lockdown? I don’t think he would. Ergo the lockdown wasn’t needed – or can he come up with another justification?

292212 ▶▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to Ned of the Hills, 3, #1240 of 1754 🔗

And we have Drakeford going all out again, Sadiq Khan warnings for London, First Minister Michelle O Neill softening us up in Northern Ireland for post Christmas fuxkery, and Sturgeon just loves outdoing them all.

The answer to Lockdowns that don’t work seems to be more Lockdown.

292366 ▶▶▶ Ned of the Hills, replying to Ned of the Hills, #1241 of 1754 🔗

If anyone is still reading I should have written;-

mortality figures began to decline on the 21st

I’m conscious of being dyslexic but an inability to perceive words are missing in something I’ve written seems a new development.

292378 ▶▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Ned of the Hills, #1242 of 1754 🔗

They were probably there when you wrote it. They have an uncanny tendency to disappear when you press the post button.

292380 ▶▶▶▶ Be Unshakeable, replying to Ned of the Hills, #1243 of 1754 🔗

Probably The Rona. Get a test.

292045 Victoria, 2, #1244 of 1754 🔗

A WARNING ABOUT COVID-19 mRNA VACCINES Product developers often don’t fully think of the potential consequences of a product, both short and long-term. The new COVID-19 mRNA vaccines may affect fertility and neurology among other inflammatory cascades ~ The COVID-19 vaccine containing the mRNA sequence appears that it may affect the cell surface protein SYNCYTIN which is an envelope protein of the human retrovirus family. Syncytin is a viral gene protein discovered in rabbits in 2009, that suppresses the immune system of pregnant woman which prevents tissue rejection of the developing fetus.

This fusion protein is expressed in the human placenta and elsewhere including the brain and has been associated with neuro-inflammation and neurological disease. Syncytin activates pro-inflammatory and autoimmune cascades. Syncytin is also found in both the eggs and sperm ~ The mRNA vaccine may suppress Syncytin just as it does by the antibodies it develops to stop SARS 2 spike protein. It could potentially behave as an anti-Syncytin-1 antibody. Syncytin suppresses tissue rejection for fertility and growth of new humans ~ WHAT POSSIBLY COULD GO WRONG NOT ONLY WITH FERTILITY, PREGNANCY BUT NEUROLOGY !!! The pharmaceutical companies and UK are warning MDs not to give the COVID 19 vaccines to pregnant woman ~

Section 4 below is from the UK COVID-19 vaccine instruction insert now given to physicians: Section: 4.6 Fertility, pregnancy and lactation Pregnancy There are no or limited amount of data from the use of COVID-19 mRNA Vaccine BNT162b2. Animal reproductive toxicity studies have not been completed. COVID-19 mRNA Vaccine BNT162b2 is not recommended during pregnancy. For women of childbearing age, pregnancy should be excluded before vaccination. In addition, women of childbearing age should be advised to avoid pregnancy for at least 2 months after their second dose.

Comment continued from the COVID-19 vacciine insert Breast-feeding It is unknown whether COVID-19 mRNA Vaccine BNT162b2 is excreted in human milk. A risk to the newborns/infants cannot be excluded. COVID-19 mRNA Vaccine BNT162b2 should not be used during breast-feeding. Fertility It is unknown whether COVID-19 mRNA Vaccine BNT162b2 has an impact on fertility.

 My Post script comment: I have identified targets for pesticide chemical contamination in the excipients extracted from animals that are used in these vaccines. But will need to secure samples once available to confirm what I know based on my previous published lab work

~ Anthony Samsel ~

292051 Tenchy, replying to Tenchy, 3, #1245 of 1754 🔗

Have you seen this shit (apologies if already posted)?

What the bloody hell is she apologising for – for going to the toilet? FFS! Who are these “holier-than-thou” wankers who are taking her to task over it?

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-55227470

292087 ▶▶ Ceriain, replying to Tenchy, 5, #1246 of 1754 🔗

She’s actually making it worse by apologising. She’s apologising for living, for doing normal things.

The day I have to apologise for ‘being alive’ is the day this happens.

292101 ▶▶ Jonathan Palmer, replying to Tenchy, 12, #1247 of 1754 🔗

She is part of Sky who along with the rest of the media have been massive cheerleaders of this.Reap what she has sown.

292156 ▶▶ mjr, replying to Tenchy, 2, #1248 of 1754 🔗

BBC says
“She later “popped into another” venue to use the toilet. It’s not clear what rule was broken through this action.”

so even the BBC dont know what was wrong. If the covid propaganda arm doesnt know , God help the rest of us

292373 ▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to mjr, #1249 of 1754 🔗

I smell a smoking red herring.

292372 ▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Tenchy, #1250 of 1754 🔗

Whatever did she do wrong? Did she snog everyone on the way to the loo?
Error of judgement? I suppose she should have been covid compliant and peed in the taxi?

292423 ▶▶ Nigel Sherratt, replying to Tenchy, #1251 of 1754 🔗

She’s been sent from Coventry.

292586 ▶▶ R G, replying to Tenchy, #1252 of 1754 🔗

It wasn’t just a toilet break, she likely spent a couple of hours in there then hosted an after-party at her flat. Nothing wrong with that, but if you’ve spent the last 9 months moralising about the virus in the mainstream media, it does make you a hypocrite.

292052 Victoria, replying to Victoria, 7, #1253 of 1754 🔗

BREAKING: FDA announces 2 deaths of Pfizer vaccine trial participants from “serious adverse events”
https://www.greenmedinfo.com/blog/breaking-fda-announces-2-deaths-pfizer-vaccine-trial-participants-serious-adverse1

292061 ▶▶ guy153, replying to Victoria, 13, #1254 of 1754 🔗

They died “with” the vaccine not “of” it.

One was a cardiac arrest 62 days after the jab. The other died sooner but from arteriosclerosis. There’s no reason to think their deaths were related in any way to the vaccine.

Four people died with the placebo by the way.

292073 ▶▶▶ calchas, replying to guy153, 5, #1255 of 1754 🔗

Are you a vaccine-denier?

🙂

..

292082 ▶▶▶▶ guy153, replying to calchas, 6, #1256 of 1754 🔗

Sounds like it 🙂 But I like Andrew’s suggestion that any death within 28 days of a vaccination should be classified as murder. Otherwise it’s a bit of a double standard.

292088 ▶▶▶▶ TheBigman, replying to calchas, -2, #1257 of 1754 🔗

I hope that’s satire

292128 ▶▶▶ swedenborg, replying to guy153, 5, #1258 of 1754 🔗

One of the two seemed to have been immunosuppressed according to this Jerusalem post report

https://www.jpost.com/breaking-news/two-individuals-die-from-pfizer-vaccine-651488

“Ahead of the Thursday meeting of the FDA on the Pfizer vaccine, the administration announced Tuesday that two trial participants have died after receiving the Pfizer coronavirus vaccine. One of the deceased individuals was immunocompromised.”

“The association noted that in large trials of tens of thousands of people, death can occur without any connection to the trial, but that companies like Pfizer are required to report those deaths.“According to the published data, six of the participants in the experiment died, two of whom received the vaccine and four of the control group,” said Dr. Uri Lerner, the scientific director for Midaat. “After an in-depth examination, no connection was found between the experiment and the cause of death.”

292144 ▶▶▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to swedenborg, 4, #1259 of 1754 🔗

If only Covid deaths were given the same respect. Bastards

292170 ▶▶▶▶▶ Lisa (formerly) from Toronto, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 5, #1260 of 1754 🔗

Exactly. If anyone dies of anything within 28 days of a positive PCR test and gets labeled a Covid death then the same standard should be applied to the vaccine — any death, no matter what from, should at least have the vaccine as one of the causes of death if not the cause of death.

292159 ▶▶▶ Freecumbria, replying to guy153, 1, #1261 of 1754 🔗

Did you see the FDA briefing document linked to from that article. Interesting reading.

https://www.fda.gov/media/144245/download

Both vaccine recipients were >55 years of age; one experienced a cardiac arrest 62 days after vaccination #2 and died 3 days later, and the other died from arteriosclerosis 3 days after vaccination #1. The placebo recipients died from myocardial infarction (n=1), hemorrhagic stroke (n=1) or unknown causes (n=2); three of the four deaths occurred in the older group (>55 years of age). All deaths represent events that occur in the general population of the age groups where they occurred, at a similar rate

292167 ▶▶▶▶ Freecumbria, replying to Freecumbria, 2, #1262 of 1754 🔗

The document also says

The Sponsor plans to offer vaccination to participants 16 years of age who originally received placebo and who become eligible for receipt of BNT162b2 according to local or national recommendations. The Sponsor proposes that these participants will be unblinded upon request and will have the opportunity to receive BNT162b2 as part of the study. The Sponsor also proposes that all placebo recipients 16 years of age will be offered BNT162b2 after completing 6 months of follow-up after Dose 2, if they did not request and receive vaccine previously.

So is that saying we won’t know necessarily the long term affects (only 6 month short term affects) because those receiving the placebo will be offered the vaccine and so the trial won’t run its course?

292327 ▶▶▶▶▶ guy153, replying to Freecumbria, 2, #1263 of 1754 🔗

Yes and I don’t think they should have done this. It’s a trial and the people who signed up for it knew what they were getting themselves in for. It’s not such a hardship not to have the vaccine given the low risk from the disease.

292367 ▶▶▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Freecumbria, 1, #1264 of 1754 🔗

Assuming that the placebo wasn’t saline, isn’t that a lot of adjuvant over a short period?

292325 ▶▶▶▶ guy153, replying to Freecumbria, 1, #1265 of 1754 🔗

Yes I only read enough of the article to find that link and then looked at that. This is usually the best way to treat news stories.

292340 ▶▶▶▶▶ Freecumbria, replying to guy153, 2, #1266 of 1754 🔗

Ha ha. I did exactly the same!

292095 ▶▶ John P, replying to Victoria, 2, #1267 of 1754 🔗

Immunocompromised people should never receive vaccines. There’s absolutely no point since vaccines are supposed to stimulate the immune system. Immunocompromised people did not receive the smallpox vaccine in the 1970s.

Referring to the cause of death of these people:

“One experienced a cardiac arrest 62 days after vaccination #2 and died 3 days later, and the other died from arteriosclerosis 3 days after vaccination #1.”

The vaccine caused hardening of the artieries? In three days. Bet they didn’t expect that.

As for having a heart attack two months after receiving a second jab. Do you expect anyone to take this article seriously? I’m not a fan of the vaccine. I don’t intend to take it, but trying to link the vaccine to this person’s heart attack is plain stupid.

292179 ▶▶▶ Lisa (formerly) from Toronto, replying to John P, 3, #1268 of 1754 🔗

I don’t disagree, but they then try to claim that transverse myelitis and MS in trial participants couldn’t possibly be related to the vaccine and, therefore, resumed the trials. They oughtn’t be able to have it both ways given that transverse myelitis is a known adverse effect of vaccines. I’ve always said that unless someone literally drops dead or has some serious event occur between receiving the injection and walking to their car, they will always claim any adverse event is merely a coincidence.

292192 ▶▶ Ben, replying to Victoria, 1, #1269 of 1754 🔗

Pfizer shareholders: ‘I hope this doesn’t affect my share values’

292253 ▶▶ annie, replying to Victoria, #1270 of 1754 🔗

Most of us would certainly call death a serious adverse event.

292053 NickR, 15, #1271 of 1754 🔗
292056 calchas, replying to calchas, 7, #1272 of 1754 🔗

Reiner Füllmich interviews Prof Hockertz regarding the vaccine:

https://vimeo.com/487879592

‘human experiments’ says Hockertz.

10 minutes

292089 ▶▶ Jo, replying to calchas, #1273 of 1754 🔗

Fucking Hell.

292058 Cecil B, replying to Cecil B, 20, #1274 of 1754 🔗

Some people are surprised by the events of the past ten months

I’m surprised that they are surprised

People who work in McDonalds (other low paid work is available) are required by law to donate part of their earnings to a multi billionaire German

The German has a string of race horses and lots of castles and palaces

Apparently, she is entitled to this money because her ancestors said they were sent by God

In a few weeks she will lecture us on how we dun this year and what she expects from us next year

We have burnt witches. We have even managed to get young women to confess to being witches so we could burn them

We’ve murdered Catholics and Protestants alike all because some fat fucker was fed up with the current Mrs (six times)

People believe that a man once walked on water

People sold their homes so they could buy a single tulip bulb

People say a man died and then came back to life three days later. He currently lives behind a cloud up in the sky. This is despite planes flying above the clouds and never reporting a sighting

The National Debt was once loaded onto a Company that had never traded. People spent everything they had buying shares in this giant ponzi scheme and lost their shirts

A woman who was pregnant said she was still a virgin

I won’t say anything about the religion of peace and love because they will cut my head off

People believe that the first two humans on this earth had only two sons with no explanation as the how the generation that followed came into being

People knock on my door and tell me if I join their clan (no not the SNP) they will let me know in advance the date of the end of the world, and I will therefore survive it (I think)

I’m not at all surprised

(tnodvwpmp)

292084 ▶▶ TheBigman, replying to Cecil B, 1, #1275 of 1754 🔗

Quite the anti-Christian sentiment. Sharpening your guillotine yet, Marx.

292136 ▶▶▶ Cecil B, replying to TheBigman, #1276 of 1754 🔗

Did the Marx brothers have a guillotine?

292418 ▶▶▶▶ Nigel Sherratt, replying to Cecil B, #1277 of 1754 🔗

These are my principles. If you don’t like them I have others.

292174 ▶▶ mjr, replying to Cecil B, 2, #1278 of 1754 🔗

if you are going to rant get your facts right
the fat fucker was only dissatisfied with 4 wifes. One died in childbirth and he is buried with her. the last wife outlived him/
also the first two humans on earth (as you describe) “ Genesis 4 narrates life outside the garden, including the birth of Adam and Eve’s first children Cain and Abel and the story of the first murder. A third son, Seth , is born to Adam and Eve, and Adam had “other sons and daughters” ( Genesis 5:4 ).”

Curious about the german workers bit .. whats that about?

292282 ▶▶▶ dickyboy, replying to mjr, #1279 of 1754 🔗

German women is The Queen, gawd bless er.

292309 ▶▶▶▶ Cranmer, replying to dickyboy, #1280 of 1754 🔗

Rather a stretch to call her German. Her mother was Scottish and her great-great Grandfather on her father’s side was German. By that logic most of us are probably German as well.

292421 ▶▶▶▶▶ Nigel Sherratt, replying to Cranmer, #1281 of 1754 🔗

Angles, Saxons and Jutes I seem to remember.

292248 ▶▶ annie, replying to Cecil B, -2, #1282 of 1754 🔗

Back off from Christianity.

292063 Eddy, replying to Eddy, 13, #1283 of 1754 🔗

If someone dies by any means within 30 days of testing positive for covid they are classed as a covid death.

If someone dies by any means within 30 days of having the vaccine are classed as murdered?

292188 ▶▶ Ben, replying to Eddy, #1284 of 1754 🔗

Or manslaughter

292284 ▶▶ Noumenon, replying to Eddy, #1285 of 1754 🔗

Nah, just coincidence mate.

292064 stefarm, replying to stefarm, 5, #1286 of 1754 🔗

Just seen the BBC schedule – 20:00 tonight. Some Mother’s Do Ave Em – Starring Matt Handcock as Wank Spencer.

Scene 1

‘OOOoooohh Betty, the doggy done a whoopsie on the carpet’

‘Oh wank’

‘Betty, I done it, I rolled it out Betty. We are rich’

‘Oohhhhh wank, come here, my hero’

‘oooooohhhhhh Betty, that’s nice…….’

292297 ▶▶ Cranmer, replying to stefarm, 3, #1287 of 1754 🔗

Coming up next on BBC2, ‘Open All Hours.’

‘Now then, Ggggggggggranville, what have ye done, I said what have ye done, with all them b-bottles of h-hand s-sanitiser?’

‘They’ve all sold out, Arkwright. There were a spate of panic buying when t’Third Wave were announced.’

‘Th-th-th-Third Wave? By, I thought that were the c-c-c-c-classical music programme on’t wireless! Anyroad, I’m glad you’ve s-sold all the b-bottles, because it weren’t sanitiser.’

‘What was it then?’

‘It was anti-radiation paint, left over from the c-c-c-cold war. You were supposed to p-p-p-paint it on your windows to protect against radiation in the event of a nuclear h-h-h-holocaust. But it never h-happened, more’s the pity, as I’d h-hoped to have to re-p-per-per-per populate the human race with n-n-n-ner-ner nurse Gladys Emmanuel’.

292067 JHuntz, replying to JHuntz, 4, #1288 of 1754 🔗

“17:22
No problem, have a good day and stya safe!”

Fuck sake I am just trying to buy a guitar online

292157 ▶▶ Lisa (formerly) from Toronto, replying to JHuntz, 12, #1289 of 1754 🔗

My new sign-off is Stay Sane (not a typo). I despise complete strangers telling me to “stay safe” as if they give a crap about me. Now if they want to tell me to “stay safe” every time I get into my car, I can live with that since my risk of being injured, or worse, is infinitely higher. Shopping online is unlikely to put me at risk for anything other than a computer virus, so bugger off with the “stay safe” nonsense.

292178 ▶▶▶ JHuntz, replying to Lisa (formerly) from Toronto, 4, #1290 of 1754 🔗

That is a cracker. Yes, it’s absolutely bizzarre. The presumption being that we want to stay safe. I’d quite like to go sky diving actually after this prolonged period of utter boredom but the powers that be won’t let me. I’d like to go back to being ‘unsafe’.

292431 ▶▶▶ Tom in Scotland, replying to Lisa (formerly) from Toronto, #1291 of 1754 🔗

I agree entirely. This really irritated me early on (May? April?) and I would retaliate by saying ‘stay sane’. I’m hardcore anti-Covidian.

292505 ▶▶▶ Watt, replying to Lisa (formerly) from Toronto, #1292 of 1754 🔗

I’ve never said ‘stay safe’ as yet. I have however offered the encouragement of ‘let’s stay human’ on occasion, as a salutation to someone who has shown impulses in that direction, in conversation or i.e. mask free on the transport grid. We do seem to be drifting toward involuntary transhumanism.

292281 ▶▶ Noumenon, replying to JHuntz, 2, #1293 of 1754 🔗

To be fair, string breakages can cut you. Also, if a bridge comes off it can hit you in the eye, pretty nasty actually. Stay safe with that there axe dude!

:-p

292070 MiriamW-sometimes-AlanG, replying to MiriamW-sometimes-AlanG, 12, #1294 of 1754 🔗

The High Peak ‘Dandelion’ (actually, Wanker) of the Month Award: Goes to a certain shop-keeper (late 30s) who has just brought round a delivery of wholefoods. We used to use his shop but, after several successive visits where AlanG stood outside in the sideways rain/wind etc for ages while the one customer painstakingly filled their containers and, finally, when he was the only shop-owner who has ever obliged me to sanitise my hands (I used my own non-gunk version) we asked him to deliver instead.

When he arrived today it was pissing down so we invited him into the porch. He won’t take cash, bringing a mobile card-reader with him. He refused to come in, keeping us standing in the cold, saying ‘ My wife is pregnant’. (We know her well and by name!) We couldn’t help bursting out laughing and I said ‘we’re not infectious’ whereupon he became angry saying ‘I’ve got my opinions and you’ve got yours so don’t be critical!’

He must have realised that he was in danger of losing good customers because he quickly allowed AlanG to get away with ‘Oh X, you’re such a silly billy!’ AG asked him if he was ever going back to cash and he said he wasn’t sure. Hmm.

Now this guy has higher degrees in IT, having given up a lucrative career to run a shop. His mate runs our local PO and is even more highly-qualified and, if it were possible, a more highly-advanced superstitious idiot than he is.

AlanG’s parting shot was, ‘If we get pneumonia, it will be your fault!’ He said this jokingly and Mr ZW managed a nervous giggle but actually we are both elderly and AlanG is ‘extremely vulnerable’ That is why I am very happy to call this man a wanker.

Earlier in the day we got a visit from the letting agency. The chap was at least late-60s, cheerful (we’d already established our no-mask house rule!) and chatty. His wife is a nurse and he says that her hospital has a lot of ‘C19’ patients but he was quite happy to be rational about this and he doesn’t agree with lockdowns and understands the terrible damage they’re doing. We had a good chat with him even though he thinks the vaccine is a great thing (!)

Make of it what you will but we’ll have to think about using Mr ZW again. Online is probably the only real alternative which would be a pity. MW

292269 ▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to MiriamW-sometimes-AlanG, #1295 of 1754 🔗

I’ve been with Abel&Cole for 4 years and can’t fault them.

Riverford are a wonderful, organic company and I’m very much in favour of their policies but I needed A&C’s greater flexibility.

292361 ▶▶▶ MiriamW-sometimes-AlanG, replying to Cheezilla, 1, #1296 of 1754 🔗

Hi, thanks for this. We already use Riverford. Our local ‘hub’ is fine but Guy Singh-Watson has gone a bit ‘woke’, of course and they were quick to jump on the BLM band-wagon.. We’ve used Wholefoods Online and they were OK (no fresh) and we’ll check out Abel and Cole. We’ve heard good reports of them.

The thing with this shop is it’s a local zero-waste outfit and we liked that and we wanted to support a local business. However, being treated as lepers in our own home is not acceptable and actually it has quite upset us. We were not actually critical of him and our laughter was more a kind of nervous giggle rather than outright scoffing.

We do realise the man is mentally ill – something we’re having to conclude about so many people of our acquaintance, unfortunately. How are these people ever going to recover? We worry for their young son and the new baby. MW

292071 leggy, replying to leggy, 17, #1297 of 1754 🔗

Not sure if this has been posted before. The FDA’s working list of possible adverse event outcomes:

Guillain-Barré syndrome
Acute disseminated encephalomyelitis
Transverse myelitis
Encephalitis/myelitis/encephalomyelitis/ meningoencephalitis/meningitis/ encepholapathy
Convulsions/seizures
Stroke
Narcolepsy and cataplexy
Anaphylaxis
Acute myocardial infarction
Myocarditis/pericarditis
Autoimmune disease
Deaths
Pregnancy and birth outcomes
Other acute demyelinating diseases
Non-anaphylactic allergic reactions
Thrombocytopenia
Disseminated intravascular coagulation
Venous thromboembolism
Arthritis and arthralgia/joint pain
Kawasaki disease
Multisystem Inflammatory Syndrome in Children
Vaccine enhanced disease

https://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/acip/meetings/downloads/slides-2020-10/COVID-Anderson.pdf

What was that about the cure being worse than the disease? Think I’d take my chances with SARS-CoV-2 thanks.

292074 ▶▶ TheBigman, replying to leggy, 1, #1298 of 1754 🔗

Tptb want us to have these

292081 ▶▶ John P, replying to leggy, -10, #1299 of 1754 🔗

I’m not sure that’s not just a list of all the things that could possibly go wrong with any new drug or vaccine.

I’ve no intention of taking this “vaccine” but I am unsure of what point you are trying to make with this.

292100 ▶▶▶ leggy, replying to John P, 6, #1300 of 1754 🔗

These are possible adverse reactions to the vaccine. I have to wonder about the wisdom when the side effect of a “medicine” can potentially be death.

292105 ▶▶▶▶ John P, replying to leggy, -3, #1301 of 1754 🔗

To any vaccine. It’s just a list. It’s meaningless unless these reactions have actually been observed in the trials.

292258 ▶▶▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to John P, 1, #1302 of 1754 🔗

Trials?

292480 ▶▶▶▶ Watt, replying to leggy, #1303 of 1754 🔗

Reads like a kill list!

292106 ▶▶▶ JHuntz, replying to John P, 4, #1304 of 1754 🔗

I think your right John it does look like a exhaustive list of potential qualifications. However that is pretty damning in itself that they have been absolutely unable to narrow down all of the side effects.

292184 ▶▶▶▶ John P, replying to JHuntz, -4, #1305 of 1754 🔗

It might be popular on these threads, but it’s no good if mainstream journalists can just shoot it down.

292264 ▶▶▶▶▶ MiriamW-sometimes-AlanG, replying to John P, 1, #1306 of 1754 🔗

What’s ‘no good’? Spelling out the truth?
AG

292216 ▶▶▶ p02099003, replying to John P, 3, #1307 of 1754 🔗

Most of these are long term conditions associated with infections, both bacterial and viral. Typically as a result of of overactive immune systems leading to autoimmune disorders. GBS can follow gastroenteritis. Thrombocytopenia I’ve seen in a patient two weeks after a “simple” upper respiratory tract infection.
Alternatively the infective agent manages to reach other organs Endocarditis from tooth decay. Pericarditis and myocarditis likewise. Encephalitis from measles. Male sterility from mumps. Death from sepsis.

292226 ▶▶▶ guy153, replying to Ben, #1309 of 1754 🔗

The syncitin-1 thing is nonsense. Vaccine enhanced disease (not necessarily ADE) is a valid concern.

292235 ▶▶ annie, replying to leggy, 1, #1310 of 1754 🔗

Nothing to worry about, then.

292477 ▶▶ Watt, replying to leggy, #1311 of 1754 🔗

Good link. Thanks.

292076 Awkward Git, replying to Awkward Git, 20, #1312 of 1754 🔗

Quick update, got a reply from that metropolitan mayor.

“Whilst he does appreciate your concerns, I must advise that xxxxxxxxx has full confidence in the Government’s provision of testing for Covid-19 and the science which informs it. In his capacity as a local politician however, the Mayor is not responsible for decision making of this kind and as such, I recommend contacting your MP, should you wish for them to challenge this on a national level”

I think a shit stirring reply is in order when I get time later in the week. Wonder if he will supply the science he has faith in?

On a different note, delivering to a hospital today – lot more staff with no masks, many masked staff coughing almost continuously, no social distancing observed, lots of pissed off faces so NHS morale at this place down a lot from last week. Vaccine related?

292140 ▶▶ RichardJames, replying to Awkward Git, 3, #1313 of 1754 🔗

Posibly enforced nappy related!

292252 ▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Awkward Git, 1, #1314 of 1754 🔗

Consciences pricking?

292077 James Marker, replying to James Marker, 20, #1315 of 1754 🔗

I made the mistake last night of watching Hospital on BBC2.  The programme as good as claimed that two patients caught Covid-19 because of people not wearing masks on public transport or when going into shops. Of course, there was not a shred of evidence to back up that claim but the BBC just can’t help pointing the finger in it’s sanctimonious way. It really is time someone organisde an effective campaign to bring about mass non-payment of the licence fee. I know ITV, Chanel 4 and Sky are no better when it comes to reporting on Covid, but at least we’re not obliged to pay for their biased reporting.

292098 ▶▶ Liam, replying to James Marker, 16, #1316 of 1754 🔗

This drives me crackers. There is simply no way in the world they can identify where anyone picked up a common virus, though “in their filthy hospitals” is usually a good bet.

292148 ▶▶▶ John P, replying to Ceriain, 4, #1318 of 1754 🔗

Thanks for the link, but you should add that this tells you how to do it legally.

292224 ▶▶▶▶ Ceriain, replying to John P, 1, #1319 of 1754 🔗

Good point, but you’ve done it for me, thanks. 😉

292211 ▶▶ guy153, replying to James Marker, 3, #1320 of 1754 🔗

Not sure even masks help when the Asymptomatic Superspreader is abroad.

As you can see he is shedding virus copiously through the soles of his feet in spite of wearing shoes.

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-52840763

292283 ▶▶ Cranmer, replying to James Marker, 1, #1321 of 1754 🔗

The only sanction we, as individuals, have against the BBC is to withhold payment of the licence fee. Simply stop paying, and sell/give away your TV. It is legal to watch free non-BBC catch up services (ITV, C4 and many others) online, and to listen to BBC radio either via one’s wireless set or internet. Whilst I support campaigns to defund the BBC, realistically this is not going to happen before the renewal of their Charter, which is several years in the future.

292320 ▶▶▶ Fingerache Philip., replying to Cranmer, #1322 of 1754 🔗

I “believe” that on average, people pay more in increased prices that are added to the prices of goods to pay for the cost of advertising on the commercial stations than the cost of the BBC Licence.

292473 ▶▶▶ Watt, replying to Cranmer, #1323 of 1754 🔗

It’s as simple as that. Done long since. Life is better without it.

292079 Les Tricoteuses, replying to Les Tricoteuses, 17, #1324 of 1754 🔗

I wonder what the fatal dose for bullshit is, I feel I’m getting close.

292102 ▶▶ Liewe, replying to Les Tricoteuses, 5, #1325 of 1754 🔗

Wonder whether they’ll put Bullshit overdose on your death certificate?

292108 ▶▶▶ Les Tricoteuses, replying to Liewe, 5, #1326 of 1754 🔗

No, it’ll probably be covid!

292111 ▶▶▶▶ JHuntz, replying to Les Tricoteuses, 6, #1327 of 1754 🔗

long bullshut covid

292113 ▶▶▶▶▶ Liam, replying to JHuntz, #1328 of 1754 🔗

Lol. You’re on form today 👍

292125 ▶▶▶▶▶ Les Tricoteuses, replying to JHuntz, #1329 of 1754 🔗

Very funny 🙂

292083 John P, replying to John P, 4, #1330 of 1754 🔗

Have they arrested the bloke who squirted acid into Matt Hancock’s eyes yet?

292096 ▶▶ Chris John, replying to John P, 3, #1331 of 1754 🔗

I believe a small prick (his) bought a tear to his eye

292238 ▶▶ annie, replying to John P, #1332 of 1754 🔗

Give him the George Medal.

292262 ▶▶ Winston Smith, replying to John P, #1333 of 1754 🔗

I’d love to fucking gouge his eyes out!

292086 Ned of the Hills, 5, #1334 of 1754 🔗

The appeal should reach five figures at least (the lass deserves it).

https://www.gofundme.com/f/quinn-blakey-hairdressing-legal-battle

292109 BeBopRockSteady, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 25, #1335 of 1754 🔗

Never forget this.

“Amnesty reveals that in March the Johnson govt dumped 25,000 vulnerable hospital patients in care homes, including those infected with Covid-19. At least 18,500 died. Eugenic slaughter. Now read the following shocking story. This is lawless Britain 2020.”

Starmer has been relentless in pursuit of this crime against humanity of course.

292114 ▶▶ John P, replying to BeBopRockSteady, -1, #1336 of 1754 🔗

Take the word “eugenic” out of this post and I am in complete agreement.

292162 ▶▶▶ John P, replying to John P, -8, #1337 of 1754 🔗

Another child posting. Come on then Mr downvoter – argue with me about this.

Prove your point.

292176 ▶▶▶ Ben, replying to John P, 4, #1338 of 1754 🔗

Research the Liverpool Care Pathway

292181 ▶▶▶▶ John P, replying to Ben, -5, #1339 of 1754 🔗

No.

I don’t agree with you Ben. Convince me that you are right or live with that.

292375 ▶▶▶▶▶ Ben, replying to John P, 2, #1340 of 1754 🔗

You’re the child I’m afraid. I could supply you 100 links to evidence but you’d ignore them

292274 ▶▶▶▶ RickH, replying to Ben, 1, #1341 of 1754 🔗

I think the point is to be careful with language.

Hyperbole is what we suffer from at the hands of the Covid myth-makers. I see no virtue in responding with alternative exaggeration, however much you despise the narrative.

The one thing we have on our side is accuracy and proportionality.

For instance, Hancock is a twat, and any other insult you care to aim at him – and he is guilty of promoting policies that ha be hastened death for many. But he isn’t a ‘murderer’ in any accurate sense of the term.

292199 ▶▶▶ guy153, replying to John P, 3, #1342 of 1754 🔗

It’s true that it’s a somewhat clueless eugenicist who goes around killing 85 year olds. But nothing surprises me any more about the quality of the government’s scientific advice.

292455 ▶▶▶▶ Watt, replying to guy153, #1343 of 1754 🔗

‘Clueless’ eugenicist? Just a novice getting the hang of it. Practise with the elderly and infirm. Since we are told that we are on a ‘war footing’, then Hancock is a war criminal.

292158 ▶▶ John Stitch non stop dancer, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 10, #1344 of 1754 🔗

I was there and probably complicit to a degree due to misinformation and Hysteria.If I had any feelings left it would be remorse because I didn’t speak out and was hoodwinked into using palliative care tools without even allowing the residents to make a recovery.Blanket DNARs large consignments of Anticipatory drugs all residents were prescribed just in case!Those fuckers need hanging.

292164 ▶▶▶ John Stitch non stop dancer, replying to John Stitch non stop dancer, 4, #1345 of 1754 🔗

GPs are more superfluous than ever.Will consult a Vet next time I require medical attention.

292189 ▶▶ Les Tricoteuses, replying to BeBopRockSteady, #1346 of 1754 🔗

Do you have a link for this figure of 25k and the death rate please?

292120 godowneasy, 8, #1348 of 1754 🔗

Well some people have had a good day.

292124 Richard Pinch, replying to Richard Pinch, 5, #1349 of 1754 🔗

Oxford vaccine trial results formally published in The Lancet : https://www.thelancet.com/lancet/article/s0140-6736(20)32661-1

292137 ▶▶ John P, replying to Richard Pinch, 7, #1350 of 1754 🔗

“The development of safe, effective, affordable, and deployable vaccines against COVID-19 remains paramount in solving the pandemic crisis and re-establishing normality.”

Does it? Bullshit.

They even say “pandemic crisis”. Is it still even classified as a pandemic?

This is a good post Richard as it demonstrates that vaccine development is only really essential in the eyes of those who wish to promote vaccines. I note the usual suspects are funding this.

292265 ▶▶▶ RickH, replying to John P, 4, #1351 of 1754 🔗

‘Pandemic’ simply means ‘widespread’. The WHO removed any reference to severity or mortality.

An outbreak of head lice can be ‘pandemic’.

292153 ▶▶ TJN, replying to Richard Pinch, 3, #1352 of 1754 🔗

Telegraph isn’t too impressed.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2020/12/08/oxford-vaccine-may-leave-large-proportion-britons-unprotected/

Start of article:

The Oxford vaccine may not be as useful as first thought, after published results showed that high efficacy rates cannot be substantiated.

At the end of November, Oxford and AstraZeneca announced they had efficacy rates of 90 per cent when people were given a half dose, followed by a full dose several weeks later.

However when people received two full doses, efficacy fell to just 62 per cent, far lower than the mid-90s results shown by Pfizer and Moderna. …

Goes on:

Dr Julian Tang, Honorary, Clinical Virologist, Respiratory Sciences, University of Leicester, added: “A lower vaccine efficacy does run the risk of leaving a large proportion potentially unprotected despite being vaccinated.

“Those who have been vaccinated and think they are immune may behave more freely which may serve to spread the virus further if they do become infected.

292166 ▶▶▶ mikewaite, replying to TJN, 12, #1353 of 1754 🔗

“Those who have been vaccinated and think they are immune may behave more freely which may serve to spread the virus further if they do become infected.”

This is what some of us have been pointing out here. It is the vaccinated who should be denied entry to shops,travel , pubs etc because they can transmit the virus without being aware of doing so . The unvacinated who are infected usually have sufficient symptoms for it to be obvious to themselves and others and can take precautions for their own and other’s safety..
The vaccinated should be obliged to wear masks or carry a small bell or perhaps a yellow V to warn us of their presence whilst the rest of us continue with real life unimpaired and unrestricted.

292173 ▶▶▶▶ Ben, replying to mikewaite, 5, #1354 of 1754 🔗

This is insanity

This is fascism

292177 ▶▶▶▶ Nessimmersion, replying to mikewaite, 5, #1355 of 1754 🔗

.

292180 ▶▶▶▶ John P, replying to mikewaite, 7, #1356 of 1754 🔗

If the vaccine works they will be immune.

And if they’re not immune it’s a useless waste of money. Even if safe.

292185 ▶▶▶▶▶ Les Tricoteuses, replying to John P, 3, #1357 of 1754 🔗

Sorry you’re confusing me, are you being straight forward or sarcastic?

292187 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ John P, replying to Les Tricoteuses, #1358 of 1754 🔗

Straightforward.

292190 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ John P, replying to John P, 1, #1359 of 1754 🔗

The purpose of vaccines is to confer immunity.

292200 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Les Tricoteuses, replying to John P, 4, #1360 of 1754 🔗

Not really a vaccine then

292204 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ John P, replying to Les Tricoteuses, #1361 of 1754 🔗

I’m not sure why I am having to repeat this:

The purpose of vaccines is to confer immunity.

(BTW, that does not make me a fan of this one).

292236 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Les Tricoteuses, #1362 of 1754 🔗

I don’t think any of the miracle 4 could accurately be described as vaccines.
But of course, this isn’t about immunity to a bad cold, it’s about social control.

292279 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Les Tricoteuses, replying to Les Tricoteuses, 1, #1363 of 1754 🔗

Ooh, ooh a down vote, never had one before. How exciting. Wonder who it was

292197 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Les Tricoteuses, replying to John P, 3, #1364 of 1754 🔗

Ta, but in that case surely making people immune was not one of the parameters of the vaccine trials, merely reducing severity.

292208 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ John P, replying to Les Tricoteuses, #1365 of 1754 🔗

If it wasn’t then they are taking the piss!

I repeat again:

The purpose of vaccines is to confer immunity.

292231 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Les Tricoteuses, replying to John P, 2, #1366 of 1754 🔗

Thanks for clarifying your view, I understand and agree with your statement.
Not being difficult but I sometimes have trouble online with nuance and meaning. I’m better face to face, but still ask some bloody stupid questions at times

292245 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ John P, replying to Les Tricoteuses, -4, #1367 of 1754 🔗

It’s not a view!

That’s the fucking purpose of vaccines. (If they work!)

292251 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Les Tricoteuses, replying to John P, 10, #1368 of 1754 🔗

Ok, I’ve tried to explain but you, sir, are an arse.
Ps there is no objective reality so it is just a view.

292268 ▶▶▶▶▶ Ewan Duffy, replying to John P, 1, #1369 of 1754 🔗

If a product with a traditional definition of a vaccine is administered, then the recipient will almost certainly be immune.

What is on offer does not meet the traditional definition of a vaccine and as such, immunity should not be assumed.

292371 ▶▶▶▶▶ Ben, replying to John P, 3, #1370 of 1754 🔗

If you’ve done any reading about Bill Gates and Pharma and the huge investment in vaccines you’ll know a future of indefinite vaccines and regular vaccines boosters is planned. This dovetails with immunity passports, which are owned by the tech industries who’ve also invested huge amounts of money.

This is a long term investment at our expense. Shareholders get rich and governments control us

292377 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ awildgoose, replying to Ben, 2, #1371 of 1754 🔗

Yup.

Financially the vax will be another eternal tax on is serfs.

292280 ▶▶▶▶ TJN, replying to mikewaite, #1372 of 1754 🔗

Good point.

292228 ▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Richard Pinch, 1, #1373 of 1754 🔗

Findings Between April 23 and Nov 4, 2020, 23 848 participants were enrolled and 11 636 participants (7548 in the UK, 4088 in Brazil) were included in the interim primary efficacy analysis.In participants who received two standard doses, vaccine efficacy was 62·1% (95% CI 41·0–75·7; 27 [0·6%] of 4440 in the ChAdOx1 nCoV-19 group vs 71 [1·6%] of 4455 in the control group) and in participants who received a low dose followed by a standard dose, efficacy was 90·0% (67·4–97·0; three [0·2%] of 1367 vs 30 [2·2%] of 1374; pinteraction=0·010). Overall vaccine efficacy across both groups was 70·4% (95·8% CI 54·8–80·6; 30 [0·5%] of 5807 vs 101 [1·7%] of 5829). From 21 days after the first dose, there were ten cases hospitalised for COVID-19, all in the control arm; two were classified as severe COVID-19, including one death. There were 74 341 person-months of safety follow-up ( median 3·4 months , IQR 1·3–4·8): 175 severe adverse events occurred in 168 participants, 84 events in the ChAdOx1 nCoV-19 group and 91 in the control group. Three events were classified as possibly related to a vaccine: one in the ChAdOx1 nCoV-19 group, one in the control group, and one in a participant who remains masked to group allocation.

Interpretation ChAdOx1 nCoV-19 has an acceptable safety profile and has been found to be efficacious against symptomatic COVID-19 in this interim analysis of ongoing clinical trials.

Funding UK Research and Innovation, National Institutes for Health Research (NIHR), Coalition for Epidemic Preparedness Innovations, Bill & Melinda Gates Foundation , Lemann Foundation, Rede D’Or, Brava and Telles Foundation, NIHR Oxford Biomedical Research Centre, Thames Valley and South Midland’s NIHR Clinical Research Network, and AstraZeneca.

292130 Two-Six, replying to Two-Six, 19, #1374 of 1754 🔗

A big care company’s advice to their employees is to listen to the BBC to have their fears or hesitancy about the vaccine allayed. They are directing their staff to find answers to any questions they have about the vaccine to go and look at the BBC web site.

The company believes in encouraging wide spread uptake of the vaccine. It also seeks to calm fears about the vaccines safety to ensure wide spread uptake.

There is no company policy currently on how those who will not have the vaccine will be treated. They need to have a meeting about it. Don’t worry they get all their information from the BBC so I am sure they know what they are doing.

292145 ▶▶ Liam, replying to Two-Six, 1, #1375 of 1754 🔗

De. Find.

292213 ▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Liam, 2, #1376 of 1754 🔗

And after you’ve done that, de-fund them!

292215 ▶▶▶▶ Liam, replying to Cheezilla, 1, #1377 of 1754 🔗

Lol, bloody phones.

292220 ▶▶▶▶▶ Two-Six, replying to Liam, 1, #1378 of 1754 🔗

I thought it was German for The Enemy

292214 ▶▶▶ Liam, replying to Liam, #1379 of 1754 🔗

Bollocks. I meant “Fund”, obviously.

292241 ▶▶ wendy, replying to Two-Six, 2, #1380 of 1754 🔗

The bbc, that well known medical advisory group!!!

292138 steve_w, 14, #1381 of 1754 🔗

As my brother said

“That 90 year old woman got the jab in the morning and spent the afternoon caving in to Brussels”

292142 stefarm, 11, #1382 of 1754 🔗

Am I missing something, this ‘disease’ it is in the same bracket as a mild flu, right? I will repeat that, a mild flu………………

292143 Leemc23, replying to Leemc23, 33, #1383 of 1754 🔗

Is my end neigh?

I have this evening been to the modern plague pit known as a Royal Mail Post Office. Where I have stood in a socially distanced cue for 45 minutes to post an item to someone I am legally banned from seeing.

In all this time I was the only member of public not to be seen in a magical gimp mask. I also had no rabbit foot, copper bracelet nor a gypsy flower to save me. I left my teddy bear in the car.

And although I had the super power of an “exempt” lanyard it is rather obvious that I, and the staff of Royal Mail none of whom were masked – will be murder victims to all those in a proper (made in China) masks. That’s how this works right? They might kill me so we all need a mask…..

So must I assume that all these other people have got COVID 19 or they must have a reasonable sense that they have it and might be spreading it to us poor mask-less fools. Otherwise why are they all so completely hooked on this bogus bullshit ?

It’s so depressing to walk through a lovely town and see people in fresh air wearing shite non sterile masks made in China and coated in god knows what……

292154 ▶▶ godowneasy, replying to Leemc23, 10, #1384 of 1754 🔗

Is my end neigh?” – I whinny thought so. You’ll be alright after a gallop and bag of oats.

292161 ▶▶▶ John P, replying to godowneasy, #1385 of 1754 🔗

The op should consider using the Pony Express instead of the Royal Mail …

292168 ▶▶▶ Liam, replying to godowneasy, 4, #1386 of 1754 🔗

At least a Parliament of horses would vote “Neigh” to a lockdown.

292172 ▶▶▶▶ godowneasy, replying to Liam, 3, #1387 of 1754 🔗

Yes – horses are very intelligent animals.

292461 ▶▶▶▶▶ Leemc23, replying to godowneasy, #1388 of 1754 🔗

Keep on trotting in the free world

292460 ▶▶▶ Leemc23, replying to godowneasy, #1389 of 1754 🔗

Lol 🙂

292165 ▶▶ Ben, replying to Leemc23, 10, #1390 of 1754 🔗

It’s not about a virus

292169 ▶▶▶ John P, replying to Ben, -16, #1391 of 1754 🔗

This meme again. I know you think it’s clever to keep repeating this phrase, but it really annoys me.

Be straightforward. Say what you mean. What is it about then? In your opinion.

292194 ▶▶▶▶ John P, replying to John P, -14, #1392 of 1754 🔗

What is it about then?

292267 ▶▶▶▶▶ Ewan Duffy, replying to John P, 5, #1393 of 1754 🔗

I believe you said in a previous post that you were an accountant/had accountancy training.

If so, from someone who is an accountant, why aren’t you questioning the holes in the official narrative and assuming that an inability/unwillingness of the Establishment to sufficiently explain them is indicative of something else going on. That is what my training as an accountant has led me to.

292237 ▶▶▶▶ John P, replying to John P, -14, #1394 of 1754 🔗

Okay. I ask a question and all I get is childish downvotes.

Some people here are real pricks.

292360 ▶▶▶▶ Ben, replying to John P, 2, #1395 of 1754 🔗

Do you your own research and stop expecting to be spoon fed. The comments allude to what’s happening with their own links to articles. Ie. The WEF’s Great Reset, Pharma and tech corruption etc.

Or you can believe it’s about a virus, which is much more comforting (though no data supports it)

292183 ▶▶▶ Rowan, replying to Ben, 7, #1396 of 1754 🔗

It never has been.

292195 ▶▶▶▶ John P, replying to Rowan, -11, #1397 of 1754 🔗

What is it about then?

In your humble opinion.

292250 ▶▶▶▶▶ Stuart, replying to John P, 1, #1398 of 1754 🔗

A good question, as this particular virus has not been proven to exist.

292171 ▶▶ Nessimmersion, replying to Leemc23, 13, #1399 of 1754 🔗

Maybe us sceptics should all wear a Rabbits foot or lucky white heather, so when challenged by a Branch Covidian, we can say “no I don’t have a mask but I’ve got this though”, pointing at the totem or protective amulet.

292463 ▶▶▶ Leemc23, replying to Nessimmersion, 1, #1400 of 1754 🔗

I want to get a dark cloak and a bell and walk about town on Market day. I don’t think it will go down well though.

292203 ▶▶ watashi, replying to Leemc23, 4, #1401 of 1754 🔗

agree totally. Myself and 2 of my girls were the only unmasked in our post office yesterday. There was an elderly gentleman behind us who I had high hopes for, he was unmasked in the q, but as soon as he entered the building he pulled out a face rag. It’s all so very depressing. I always hope to meet someone like you Leemc23 !

292465 ▶▶▶ Leemc23, replying to watashi, 1, #1402 of 1754 🔗

I’ll keep looking for you for the necessary support – we need it.

292466 ▶▶ Leemc23, replying to Leemc23, #1403 of 1754 🔗

Excuse the horsing around folks.

292150 Cecil B, replying to Cecil B, 6, #1404 of 1754 🔗

Never mind, you’ve got this to look forward to

Crusaders Strikers v Glentoran Women
Northern Irish Women’s Premiership
19:30
BBC Sport Website

292223 ▶▶ Liam, replying to Cecil B, 2, #1405 of 1754 🔗

It doesn’t get any bigger than this….

292273 ▶▶ Cranmer, replying to Cecil B, 2, #1406 of 1754 🔗

Dear BBC, I strongly object to the use of the term ‘Crusaders’, bla bla bla, yours, disgusted of Islington.

292196 A. Contrarian, replying to A. Contrarian, 15, #1407 of 1754 🔗

Just when you think things can’t get any worse…

https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/birmingham-council-s-trendy-new-street-names

Equality Road
Respect Way
Diversity Grove

I’m not sure I can take much more. Let’s just hope we don’t start to get Covid road names:

Vaccination Place
Distancing Drive
NHS Hero Avenue

etc etc.

292206 ▶▶ John P, replying to A. Contrarian, -2, #1408 of 1754 🔗

Perhaps a bit cheesy, but I don’t have a problem with a street named “respect”. Respect for oneself and others is not woke.

292210 ▶▶▶ Liam, replying to John P, 4, #1409 of 1754 🔗

No, it’s just the favoured term of address for violent street thugs, extracted via intimidation.

292221 ▶▶▶▶ John P, replying to Liam, -2, #1410 of 1754 🔗

Not when I use it.

292230 ▶▶▶▶▶ Liam, replying to John P, 3, #1411 of 1754 🔗

I’ve heard it far too often in the sense I cited. I’ve seen people hospitalised and permanently injured by those who demand it. It’s soured my view of the term.

292234 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ John P, replying to Liam, -5, #1412 of 1754 🔗

You use it how you want to. I don’t keep the company of violent offenders.

I have no problem with the word respect as used in its conventional sense.

In fact I very much like the word.

292246 ▶▶▶▶▶ Tenchy, replying to John P, 2, #1413 of 1754 🔗

It’s a term that’s been hijacked, like another three-letter term I could mention.

292244 ▶▶ annie, replying to A. Contrarian, 5, #1414 of 1754 🔗

Matt Hancock Way, formerly Cemetery Road.

292300 ▶▶▶ A. Contrarian, replying to annie, 1, #1415 of 1754 🔗

No! Please, let nothing be named after him, please!

292272 ▶▶ assoc, replying to A. Contrarian, #1416 of 1754 🔗

Any relation to Quality Street (where I presume the gentry lived)?

292409 ▶▶ Nigel Sherratt, replying to A. Contrarian, #1417 of 1754 🔗

Desolation Row more like.

They’re selling postcards of the hanging
They’re painting the passports brown
The beauty parlor is filled with sailors
The circus is in town
Here comes the blind commissioner
They’ve got him in a trance
One hand is tied to the tight-rope walker
The other is in his pants
And the riot squad they’re restless
They need somewhere to go
As Lady and I look out tonight
From Desolation Row

292205 Biker, replying to Biker, 13, #1418 of 1754 🔗

One of my children just had an operation and had to have a test three days before, and they also had to isolate for two weeks. Anyway we didn’t get the “result” of the test and they did the operation anyway. So what was the point of two weeks off work and a test? I think they are pissing us about really

292209 ▶▶ l835, replying to Biker, 1, #1419 of 1754 🔗

Do they have to SI for two weeks after the op too? Hope it went well.

292259 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to Biker, 2, #1420 of 1754 🔗

Same for my son. No isolation as this is all bollocks but did the test. No results and they barely swabbed his tongue. Had the routine appointment anyway.

292207 stefarm, 2, #1421 of 1754 🔗

P19 table 3 180 withdrawn from study (1% of total in trial)

Adverse event = 8
Death = 2

https://www.fda.gov/media/144245/download

Apologies if posted already

292217 assoc, replying to assoc, 4, #1422 of 1754 🔗

It’s amazing just how many seemingly intelligent people think that vaccination and immunisation are the same thing, to say nothing of inoculation. They’re in for a shock!

292222 ▶▶ John P, replying to assoc, #1423 of 1754 🔗

The purpose of vaccines is to confer immunity.

292263 ▶▶▶ assoc, replying to John P, 4, #1424 of 1754 🔗

Pfizer have produced a vaccine but make no claims that it confers immunity. Like malaria medication it suppresses symptoms

292227 p02099003, replying to p02099003, 2, #1425 of 1754 🔗

Just received this via email from my employer. It’s a letter from the chief medical officers of the four nations.

Dear colleagues,
We wanted to write you about winter, vaccines and research.
Winter is always a challenging time for the NHS and wider health and social care service. This year will be especially hard due to COVID-19. Doctors and other health professionals throughout the system have responded magnificently throughout 2020 to this epidemic. Although the very welcome news about vaccines means that we can look forward to 2021 with greater optimism, vaccine deployment will have only a marginal impact in reducing numbers coming into the health service with COVID over the next three months. The actions and self-discipline of the whole population during lockdowns and other restrictions have helped reduce the peak and in most parts of the four nations hospital numbers are likely to fall over the next few weeks, but not everywhere. The social mixing which occurs around Christmas may well put additional pressure on hospitals and general practice in the New Year and we need to be ready for that. Many of you will be working exceptionally hard to manage COVID on top of other medical problems and have been doing so for a long time. We think it likely that by spring the effects of vaccination will begin to be felt in reducing COVID admissions, attendances and deaths significantly but there are many weeks before we get to that stage. We must support one another as a profession as we go to the next, hard months.
Deploying vaccines safely, rapidly and in a sequence which is most likely to reduce mortality and morbidity is going to be a very considerable logistical exercise for all of us. JCVI has recommended that health and social care workers are a high priority once the most vulnerable who are at highest risk of dying have been vaccinated. This is to provide some additional protection against nosocomial spread to the vulnerable. We do not however yet have firm data on the effects of these vaccines on transmission. It is going to be essential that people continue to maintain current PPE and other measures to reduce transmission even after vaccination as we accumulate that data. All healthcare workers would agree that the principal aim of the initial vaccination programme should be to protect the most vulnerable and those at highest risk of mortality.
Medical science is the engine that will bring down the impact of COVID. Colleagues across the entire health system have been remarkable in their contributions to researching this new disease. Drug trials, vaccine trials, testing new diagnostics, clinical studies and observational data have all been essential. We do not expect COVID to disappear even once full vaccination has occurred although it will be substantially less important as a cause of mortality and morbidity. It is therefore absolutely essential that we use the next months to learn as much as we can as we expect COVID to be less common in the future. This will allow us to have the best chance of a strong evidence base for managing it over the coming years. We would therefore strongly encourage colleagues to continue to recruit to or participate in drug trials such as RECOVERY, vaccine trials, and observational studies such as SIREN. We will all be very grateful for the results this will lead to in future years.
Once again we want to thank you for all your work. We are full of admiration for what all of you have done and continue to do.

292232 ▶▶ John P, replying to p02099003, 3, #1426 of 1754 🔗

Your employer being whom? Why would they send you this propaganda?

292243 ▶▶▶ p02099003, replying to John P, 2, #1427 of 1754 🔗

DHU, provides 111 service and urgent care centres in the East Midlands. As to why, your guess is as good as mine!

292239 ▶▶ Stuart, replying to p02099003, 9, #1428 of 1754 🔗

Extraordinary self-righteous regurgitation of the Official Narrative.

The NHS is unfit for purpose.

292256 ▶▶▶ RickH, replying to Stuart, 6, #1429 of 1754 🔗

It’s not the NHS – it’s the political control and the hidden agendas.

292266 ▶▶ Cranmer, replying to p02099003, 3, #1430 of 1754 🔗

What a bunch of absolute shysters.

292332 ▶▶ Victoria, replying to p02099003, 6, #1431 of 1754 🔗

We do not expect COVID to disappear even once full vaccination has occurred

yes, because you cannot stop/eradicate a virus – need to learn to live with it

292457 ▶▶ Leemc23, replying to p02099003, 1, #1432 of 1754 🔗

What a load of old bollocks. You have my support in phoning in “sick” over the festive period. Go back sometime in January when you can be bothered. Basically treat them like cunts. That’s what they deserve. They don’t deserve your time.

292233 Julian, replying to Julian, 18, #1433 of 1754 🔗

In case anyone needs cheering up

https://twitter.com/MattHancock/status/1336355293995933697

“When the NHS invites you to get a #coronavirus vaccine, we have one request:

Please step forward for your country.”

Comments overhwelmingly negative, many quite vitriolic

292240 ▶▶ thinkaboutit, replying to Julian, 8, #1434 of 1754 🔗

He hasn’t gone down well, has he?
Good. He deserves to roast.

292247 ▶▶ godowneasy, replying to Julian, 4, #1435 of 1754 🔗

Sounds a bit over the top

292260 ▶▶▶ Cranmer, replying to godowneasy, 5, #1436 of 1754 🔗

I was just thinking that. Will Hancock be leading the charge, like a doomed 19 year old second lieutenant, or will he be comfortably behind the lines quaffing vintage port in a chateaux?

292289 ▶▶▶▶ Banjones, replying to Cranmer, #1437 of 1754 🔗

Do NOT compare him with a 19-year-old lieutenant – I presume you are ignorantly referring to the First German War.
They were young men who put their lives on the line for their country – and you can denigrate their reasons as you shallow-minded people will.
They were brave, self-sacrificing, committed and honourable. And I hardly think you should compare someone like this self-serving, arrogant, ignorant, patronising and unqualified idiot Hancock with one of those brave lads.
Please withdraw your comparison.
(Also, perhaps you should do some research as to how many top-ranking officers actually died on the front line. Ignorance is no doubt bliss – but it does you no credit.)

292291 ▶▶▶▶▶ A. Contrarian, replying to Banjones, 2, #1438 of 1754 🔗

Er, I think it’s Hancock comparing himself to those lads, not Cranmer…

292295 ▶▶▶▶▶ Banjones, replying to Banjones, #1439 of 1754 🔗

By the way – it is a ”chateau”. Singular.

292347 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Cranmer, replying to Banjones, #1440 of 1754 🔗

Ah yes – it didn’t look quite right to me, but the old Franglais is a bit rusty. BTW I share your sentiments entirely about junior officers in the first show – my comparison with Hancock was intended to ask whether he was willing to have the courage of his convictions and take the vaccine himself.

292249 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to Julian, 5, #1441 of 1754 🔗

Anyone on here in his constituency? Where is it and what is the general opinion of him? I have to assume its a Tory safe seat as I just don’t know how a snivelling rat like him garners any respect

292254 ▶▶ RickH, replying to Julian, 9, #1442 of 1754 🔗

“Please step forward for your country.”…. and chuck it in the bin with other potentially toxic waste.

292255 ▶▶▶ Allan Gay, replying to RickH, 11, #1443 of 1754 🔗

“Please step forward for your country”

It’s not ours any more.

292261 ▶▶ Cranmer, replying to Julian, 10, #1444 of 1754 🔗

Confirms what Dr Johnson said about the appeal to patriotism being the last refuge of a scoundrel.

292290 ▶▶ A. Contrarian, replying to Julian, 3, #1445 of 1754 🔗

He just gets worse and worse and worse, doesn’t he? Is there nothing he wouldn’t stoop to? Just vile.

292302 ▶▶ DRW, replying to Julian, #1446 of 1754 🔗

That Twatt Mancock parody account made me chuckle!

292257 DavidC, replying to DavidC, 4, #1447 of 1754 🔗

I apologise for this being a long comment but Rose asked yesterday for population and mortality figures which I have recollated and recalculated, using the latest ONS figures today, to show that this has been a NORMAL year for deaths. I can provide all the source links if desired. The total REGISTERED deaths to date this year are 554,919. This is for ALL causes, hence takes out any attributions of with or from Covid. I’ve had to make one or two assumptions. The most up to date death figures are for England and Wales. The UK population figures are estimates up to 2018 and projections for 2019/2020 (as per the ONS web site). The ratio of E & W deaths to UK deaths is more or less in line for the whole data set (around 1.14) so I’ve assumed the E & W deaths in relation to the UK population is consistent (in fact the population has risen in E & W more than Scotland and Ireland since 2000).

NOW! If we have a recurrence of the peak deaths of around 22,000 per week (unlikely!) taking the total for this year (with 5 more reporting periods) from 554,919 to 664,919 (around 0.99% of the UK population) this still only ranks at number 40 out of the last 70 years! It’s not even in the top half!

Assuming a more realistic but still generous 15,000 per week for the next 5 reporting periods will take the total deaths up to 629,919, or number 50 out of the last 70 years, even lower!

Data below should anyone want to copy to Excel (percentages are to only 2 d.p. – you will need to recalculate for the accurate percentage figures). If I’ve got anything wrong I welcome being corrected. Apologies for the formatting!

DavidC

———————-Deaths—-Deaths———–
Year UK Popln. UK———E & W–% E & W
2020 67,254,500————664,919 0.99%
2019 66,867,400————530,841 0.79%
2018 66,435,600 616,014 541,589 0.82%
2017 66,040,200 607,172 533,253 0.81%
2016 65,648,100 597,206 525,048 0.80%
2015 65,110,000 602,782 529,655 0.81%
2014 64,596,800 570,341 501,424 0.78%
2013 64,105,700 576,458 506,790 0.79%
2012 63,705,000 569,024 499,331 0.78%
2011 63,285,100 552,232 484,367 0.77%
2010 62,759,500 561,666 493,242 0.79%
2009 62,260,500 559,617 491,348 0.79%
2008 61,823,800 579,697 509,090 0.82%
2007 61,319,100 574,687 504,052 0.82%
2006 60,827,000 572,224 502,599 0.83%
2005 60,413,300 582,964 512,993 0.85%
2004 59,950,400 584,791 514,250 0.86%
2003 59,636,700 612,085 539,151 0.90%
2002 59,365,700 608,045 535,356 0.90%
2001 59,113,000 604,393 532,498 0.90%
2000 58,886,100 610,579 537,877 0.91%
1999 58,684,400 629,476 553,532 0.94%
1998 58,474,900 627,592 553,435 0.95%
1997 58,314,200 632,517 558,052 0.96%
1996 58,164,400 638,879 563,007 0.97%
1995 58,024,800 641,712 565,902 0.98%
1994 57,862,100 626,222 551,780 0.95%
1993 57,713,900 658,194 578,512 1.00%
1992 57,584,500 634,238 558,313 0.97%
1991 57,438,700 646,181 570,044 0.99%
1990 57,237,500 641,799 564,846 0.99%
1989 57,076,500 657,733 576,872 1.01%
1988 56,916,400 649,178 571,408 1.00%
1987 56,804,000 644,342 566,994 1.00%
1986 56,683,800 660,735 581,203 1.03%
1985 56,554,000 670,656 590,734 1.04%
1984 56,409,300 644,918 566,881 1.00%
1983 56,315,700 659,101 579,608 1.03%
1982 56,290,700 662,801 581,861 1.03%
1981 56,357,500 657,974 577,890 1.03%
1980 56,329,700 661,519 581,385 1.03%
1979 56,240,100 675,576 593,019 1.05%
1978 56,178,000 667,177 585,901 1.04%
1977 56,189,900 655,143 575,928 1.02%
1976 56,216,100 680,799 598,516 1.06%
1975 56,225,700 662,477 582,841 1.04%
1974 56,235,600 667,359 585,292 1.04%
1973 56,222,900 669,692 587,478 1.04%
1972 56,096,700 673,938 591,889 1.06%
1971 55,928,000 645,078 567,262 1.01%
1970 55,632,200 655,385 575,194 1.03%
1969 55,460,600 659,537 579,378 1.04%
1968 55,213,500 655,998 576,754 1.04%
1967 54,959,000 616,710 542,516 0.99%
1966 54,642,700 643,754 563,624 1.03%
1965 54,349,500 627,798 549,379 1.01%
1964 53,990,800 611,130 534,737 0.99%
1963 53,624,900 654,288 572,868 1.07%
1962 53,291,800 636,051 557,636 1.05%
1961 52,807,400 631,788 551,752 1.04%
1960 52,372,500 603,328 526,268 1.00%
1959 51,956,300 606,115 527,651 1.02%
1958 51,652,500 604,040 526,843 1.02%
1957 51,430,200 591,200 514,870 1.00%
1956 51,183,500 597,981 521,331 1.02%
1955 50,946,100 595,916 518,864 1.02%
1954 50,764,900 578,400 501,896 0.99%
1953 50,592,900 577,220 503,529 1.00%
1952 50,429,200 573,806 497,484 0.99%
1951 50,286,900 632,786 549,380 1.09%

292288 ▶▶ A. Contrarian, replying to DavidC, 3, #1448 of 1754 🔗

That’s great, but the problem is, people used to be allowed to die from whatever they liked. Now, you can still die as long as it’s not from Covid. If there are any deaths at all from Covid, then we need to Take Action. And on it goes.

292341 ▶▶ rose, replying to DavidC, 1, #1449 of 1754 🔗

Thank you David that’s brilliant

292634 ▶▶▶ DavidC, replying to rose, #1450 of 1754 🔗

Thanks Rose.

There’s a very good chart at

https://www.macrotrends.net/countries/GBR/united-kingdom/death-rate

although a) it’s based on the death rate (deaths per million) rather than showing the absolute numbers and b) annoyingly it projects, as a default, out to 2041! Set the last year to 2020 and it’s very evident how the rate has been falling from the 1950s into 2013 or thereabouts, rising slightly since then.

DavidC

292583 ▶▶ NickR, replying to DavidC, #1451 of 1754 🔗

Interesting but I think one factor that skews the data will be East European migration from the early 2000s. I haven’t seen any data but I guess the average age of residents dropped significantly.
But your point is still a strong one.

292629 ▶▶▶ DavidC, replying to NickR, #1452 of 1754 🔗

Hi Nick,
The demographic split might be different but total deaths are just that – total deaths. It doesn’t matter what the split is. Interestingly the big supermarkets think that the current UK population is 10 to 20 million MORE than the estimated figures based on their food sales. That would have the effect of lowering the death rate (deaths per million or deaths as a percentage of the population) even further.

DavidC

292270 Bill Grates, replying to Bill Grates, 4, #1453 of 1754 🔗

this is a must watch, German experts debunking vaccine BS and UK roll out :-

https://vimeo.com/487879592

292285 ▶▶ Suzyv, replying to Bill Grates, 2, #1454 of 1754 🔗

Just watched. What an absolute scandal.

292271 BeBopRockSteady, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 1, #1455 of 1754 🔗

https://www.pnas.org/content/early/2020/12/02/2015954117

Another mask study. Saved 45% of infections in Germany. 90% confidence level. Any stats guys tell me why they’d not go for 95% and what the Danmask study would have shown if it too had been so loose?

I haven’t gone through this much but would be interested to hear people’s thoughts. Not a RCT of course and makes a lot of noise about how masks saved lives.

292275 ▶▶ Liewe, replying to BeBopRockSteady, #1456 of 1754 🔗

Made big news in South Africa today, too. Please stats guys – take it apart for us…

292287 ▶▶ RickH, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 2, #1457 of 1754 🔗

90% confidence level is considered too low for secure findings.

The other question has to be about the methodology used to establish the 45% of infections not acquired. That is what sounds most dodgy, especially in light of any inflection in curves of infection and mortality after mask wearing at higher levels of aggregation.

292304 ▶▶ Leemc23, replying to BeBopRockSteady, #1458 of 1754 🔗

Saved 45%. But 55% got through ? How convinced am I now….

292343 ▶▶ Charlie Blue, replying to BeBopRockSteady, #1459 of 1754 🔗

I wouldn’t get too hung up about the CI without the context of the effect size. 95% is a convention, but there is nothing magic about it. you might end up using 90% when your sample size turns out to be small and more research is needed – though I don’t think the sample was in any way small here. Or it might be that 90% gives a narrower, more helpful range for decision making (I see the the CI is one-sided). Sorry I’m too tired to read the article properly – it’s presentation seems very bizarre and difficult to read, but then it’s definitely not my field.

292391 ▶▶ Dan L, replying to BeBopRockSteady, #1460 of 1754 🔗

A lot seems to hang on single location Jena which introduced a mask mandate in early April. It’s clear that COVID-19 transmission is seasonal but they don’t seem to account for this at all. I got these temperature charts for March and April from Accuweather https://www.accuweather.com/en/de/jena/07743/april-weather/171709?year=2020 . Notice that early April is start of a period of warm spring weather. Could it be the quite sudden warm spring weather rather than the masks that reduced the cases in Jena? (Yes!)

292531 ▶▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to Dan L, 1, #1461 of 1754 🔗

Thank you. Do you think that it’s publishing a little early then? There was a similar study in the US which was withdrawn once the seasonality kicked in and cases went up.

You would also have to wonder how they would explain the countries where compliance is high, such as the US and across Europe where it hasn’t prevented more lockdowns in any way

292838 ▶▶▶▶ Dan L, replying to BeBopRockSteady, #1462 of 1754 🔗

Yes. The way I see this paper is that in effect they are testing a very simple model of the infection rate where the only variable is mask or not. They have managed to find a short time period and a location (Spring, Germany) where the model fits the data. I wouldn’t pay attention to the statistical significance / confidence level that is just another way of saying they are getting a good fit of the data to their “model” but given they have been very selective about the data it is pretty much meaningless.

292276 Nobody2020, replying to Nobody2020, 8, #1463 of 1754 🔗

With vaccines now rolling out I’m expecting the number of new long covid sufferers to drop dramatically or will they just find something else to blame it on, long vaccine perhaps?

292286 ▶▶ A. Contrarian, replying to Nobody2020, 14, #1464 of 1754 🔗

Long lockdown. I’ve been suffering for months. Insomnia, depression, irritability, fatigue, lack of motivation, brain fog… you name it. No one gives a monkeys.

292335 ▶▶▶ Ovis, replying to A. Contrarian, 2, #1465 of 1754 🔗

That’s an important point, one even I am sometimes lulled into forgetting. Lockdown is an underlying health condition, and we all have it. That includes many who sincerely disagree with us about the benefits of lockdown and the threat of Covid.

292342 ▶▶▶▶ Cranmer, replying to Ovis, 12, #1466 of 1754 🔗

A lot of us are suffering from Long Mushroom Syndrome. It’s caused by being kept constantly in the dark and fed horsesh*t.

292402 ▶▶▶ Janette, replying to A. Contrarian, #1467 of 1754 🔗

So sorry to hear that. I urge you to write to your MP spelling out how bad this lockdown has been for your health and you want it to stop immediately.

292277 John Kay, replying to John Kay, 13, #1468 of 1754 🔗

Help needed please. In local costcutter last week and ignoramus shop asst told 2 people in queue they must wear masks or she will refuse entry. They said nothing so I had to remark they may have a medical exemption and pretty sure she cannot refuse entry, cue argument. I complained to costcutter, they fob me off. I go to council asking what is their responsibility (adding lots of smaller local shops have signs saying ‘no mask no entry’). Someone from council rings me, another argument as she tells me shop is right, Equality Act 2010 means fuck all apparently. I request council email me their response do I can take it further. So, I have looked on laworfiction website and it says it’s against the Equality Act for shops to refuse entry, but some of their content is dated September regarding face coverings. Can someone categorically share info / links so I can tell the council to stop being ignorant twats. Thanks.

292292 ▶▶ DavidC, replying to John Kay, 5, #1469 of 1754 🔗

https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/face-coverings-when-to-wear-one-and-how-to-make-your-own/face-coverings-when-to-wear-one-and-how-to-make-your-own

Look at the exemption cards section John. I carry a lanyard (in my pocket, not on display) with the link and exemptions section printed out on the back but I’ve never needed to show either.

Bottom line, as far as I know, the shop cannot (according to the Equality Act) LEGALLY prevent you from entering the shop, and you do NOT need to display an exemption card, neither are you under ANY obligation to have to explain what your exemption is – it’s between you and your Doctor. The police cannot legally ask you to explain your exemption either.

DavidC

292294 ▶▶ Ed Phillips, replying to John Kay, 8, #1470 of 1754 🔗

It’s not even Equality Act. It’s the statutory instrument on face coverings coupled with the government’s guidance.

292312 ▶▶ Victoria, replying to John Kay, 9, #1471 of 1754 🔗

This fantastic letter was published by another contributor earlier this week – might be helpful

Breach of the Equality Act 2010

Dear Mr XXXXXX,
On Sunday xxxx 2020 I was refused the opportunity to purchase food, given my inability to wear a face covering, despite having a disability exemption, in clear breach of Section 15 of the Equality Act 2010.
At approximately 2.20pm I entered the premises, but was immediately challenged by a member of staff, who demanded I wear a mask, otherwise they would not allow me to purchase food. I explained that I had a valid exemption due to my disability, whereupon I was asked to prove my disability with a lanyard. I explained that wearing a disability lanyard was not a legal requirement and that I was ostracised enough without displaying to others that I was disabled. However, he still refused, leaving me to request to speak to the manager.
XXXXXX subsequently appeared, along with three other members of staff, which your CCTV images will confirm. I felt it was tantamount to harassment. In front of other customers, increasing my anxiety levels still further, I explained the situation twice, but she completely refused, blankly stating that it was “their policy”.
I went on to state that she personally was in breach of the Equality Act 2010 for disability discrimination and was liable to a significant fine and claim for damages if she refused to serve me due to not seeing evidence of my disability, thereby treating me less favourably than a non-disabled person. I said that I would take matters further and asked for her name, which I obtained by taking a photo of her name badge. As I left, the staff proceeded to mock me with comments such as “have a nice day” and “bye bye”, in an over-exaggerated, sarcastic tone.
Aside from being a breach of the act, the whole experience was intimidating and humiliating and totally unnecessary.
The incident was reported to Thames Valley Policy at 2.49pm and a full statement given. They confirmed officers would be in attendance.
As the owner of the business, you are responsible for instructing your employees that the new face covering regulations do not supersede other critical rights, protecting against invasion of privacy and disability discrimination and that the Equality Act 2010 trumps the face-covering law.
This is the reason government guidance states: ‘Those who have an age, health or disability reason for not wearing a face covering should not be routinely asked to give any written evidence of this, this includes exemption cards. No person needs to seek advice or request a letter from a medical professional about their reason for not wearing a face covering’.
My purpose in visiting McDonalds xxxxx was to buy food for my young, severely disabled son, eagerly waiting in the car outside with his mother. Given his condition, his diet is extremely limited with McDonalds food being his favourite. Needless to say, the trip didn’t turn out as expected, leaving me in shock and him – distraught.
If I don’t receive a response within 14 days of the date of this letter, I will have no alternative but to instruct my solicitor to commence legal action against your employee xxxxx and possibly yourself.
Yours sincerely,
xxxxxxx

292315 ▶▶ Victoria, replying to John Kay, 3, #1472 of 1754 🔗

This equally fantastic letter was published by another contributor (think ex lawyer) earlier this week – might be helpful (2 parts)

I have been a long-time supporter of your shop, and have always shopped with you in preference to buying music from anywhere else, believing strongly that we should support local independent businesses. My husband has purchased a piano from you, and a few years ago, we ordered a double piano stool. However, I regret to say that I will not be buying from your shop again because of the experience I had when I visited your shop on Saturday, 6th December.

At about 11.15am, I walked into the store to browse the piano music section for a Christmas gift for my husband. When I was nearly at that section, a young girl came rushing over to me and asked me to return to the store entrance to put on some gloves. I explained that my hands are very sensitive, and I couldn’t wear them . She then challenged me as to why I wasn’t wearing a mask, and I explained that I was exempt. She then demanded to see proof of my exemption. I said I didn’t need to produce this, and I asked her if she had read the government’s guidance on this point. She assured me that she had, but clearly this wasn’t the case, as she would have been aware that there is no requirement to produce any proof of exemption. She tried to tell me that it was “against the law” for me to enter the shop without wearing a mask. I said I would be more than happy to discuss this with the manager if she would like to call him or her, but she muttered something which I couldn’t hear, because of her mask, and told me to keep “socially distanced”, despite the fact that there was only one other person on the ground floor at the time. I started to reply, but she turned on her heel and walked away from me. Her attitude was belligerent and off-putting in the extreme, a point I made to the lady who served me at the check out, and who apologised on behalf of her colleague.

I used to be a lawyer and have carefully examined both the statutory instrument that introduced the wearing of face masks (The Health Protection (Coronavirus, Wearing of Face Coverings in a Relevant Place) (England) Regulations 2020) and also the government’s own guidance in this regard, which you can find here. I draw your attention specifically to the section marked “Exemption cards”, which I quote as follows:

Exemption cards
If you have an age, health or disability reason for not wearing a face covering:

  • you do not routinely need to show any written evidence of this
  • you do not need show an exemption card

This means that you do not need to seek advice or request a letter from a medical professional about your reason for not wearing a face covering.
However, some people may feel more comfortable showing something that says they do not have to wear a face covering. This could be in the form of an exemption card, badge or even a home-made sign.
Carrying an exemption card or badge is a personal choice and is not required by law.

I would strongly advise you to make all your staff aware of this point, as demanding that either a face mask is worn, or that an exemption card is produced, is not a legal requirement, and could even leave your business open to a claim under the Equality Act 2010. If you want to look into this point further, I recommend visiting the website, Law or Fiction . This website is run by qualified lawyers who volunteer their time and expertise in an effort to provide some in depth analysis of the government’s measures. In particular, please note the following important quote from this article:

The regulations do not and cannot trump discrimination law
Anti-discrimination laws in the Equality Act 2010 cannot be overwritten by these regulations. The Equality Act provides fundamental protections for citizens with disabilities. These also overlap with rights to privacy and autonomy having to be treated with reference to their disability (or, for that matter, their gender, race, sexuality etc.)
What should businesses do?

Businesses and their staff are best advised not to challenge those who refuse to wear a face covering.  Otherwise, at some point in the day there is likely to be a time when someone with a disability is challenged. Depending on how the situation develops, and this could be within minutes or seconds, a situation may arise when the business, and the person conducting the challenge, may find they have committed:

  • an offence for which they are liable on summary conviction to pay a fine of up to £5,000 – section 112 (Aiding contraventions) of the Equality Act 2010; and/or
  • an act of disability discrimination and be ordered to pay to any individual who suffers injury to feelings compensation between £900 and £9,000 – section 119 (Remedies) of the Equality Act 2010


—– Part 2 to follow

292316 ▶▶▶ Victoria, replying to Victoria, 7, #1473 of 1754 🔗

—- part 2

With that in mind, consider the following.

Standing up for others
There will be real concern that those who are already vulnerable will be subject to harassment from those who do not appreciate their disability and who misunderstand that law. They may live to regret it since ignorance of the law will be no excuse when they find themselves in Court.

Those who support and stand up for the rights of others do not have to have a disability themselves in order to be protected. The Equality Act 2010 provides protection for those who are treated unfavourably because of someone else’s disability, just as if the disability was theirs.

I presume that you also require your staff to wear face coverings whilst at work. It would therefore be also worth reading this article to consider what your rights and obligations are under employment law and Health & Safety Laws. You will note that there is no legal requirement for staff to wear masks at work, and this is a matter entirely for employers. You have presumably carried out risk assessments into the wearing of face coverings for your staff, as a failure to do so could leave you vulnerable to future claims, particularly as the evidence to support their effectiveness is weak at best, and there is at least equally strong evidence to suggest that they may cause physical and psychological problems through prolonged use (see this article for further information). You will of course remember that at the height of the pandemic in March/April, the government’s advice was very much against the wearing of face masks by the general population.

In light of what the legislation actually says about the wearing of face coverings and exemptions thereto, I believe you, as a local business, have a great role to play in setting a kinder and more understanding tone for your customers and staff, which I believe would actively encourage more people to shop with you. However, whilst you continue to have staff who are ignorant of the law and belligerent in attitude, I am sorry to say that I will not be returning to shop with you.

Yours sincerely

292353 ▶▶ Bella, replying to John Kay, 3, #1474 of 1754 🔗

It’s against the law to refuse service on the grounds of disability and if you are exempt technically you are ‘disabled’. They can refuse to serve you if they don’t like the look of you but not if you can’t wear a mask because you have a hidden disability. Whatever the SI is, they haven’t changed the 2010 Equalities Act so it stands.

292393 ▶▶ arfurmo, replying to John Kay, 3, #1475 of 1754 🔗

I can imagine that the first person from the council that you spoke to do asked if someone could get back to you. The person who then contacted you probably had no understanding of the law and just trotted out the party line. Always worth asking what their job title is. Good luck and let us know the outcome in due course.

292529 ▶▶▶ John Kay, replying to arfurmo, #1476 of 1754 🔗

Thanks all, very very helpful info that is now pasted into a word document. I disagreed with virtually everything she said, and laughed when she trotted out the ‘we are in a worlwide pandemic’ line. I asked the council person to email me what she said, no reply yet. Hope she does as your replies are fantastic. Will post back here updates if they do.

292278 Arnie, #1477 of 1754 🔗

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Arnie

292293 DRW, replying to DRW, 34, #1478 of 1754 🔗

Good evening sceptics. I’ve been on here less lately as the tone was getting very depressing and was already down enough but I can offer you all another positive report.

Yesterday I went to the Post Office to send some Christmas post. Getting there and queuing up was a miserable experience with the sheeples out in force. One fully zombified guy was just standing out in the open completely dead eyed. But I got in to find two other customers and all staff were unmasked, must be optional for them having glass counters. One customer was already at a counter and we shared a nice smile as they left. I was served by the same lovely woman and it felt really good to interact with an actual human. She also responded postively to be serving the second unmasked customer of the day. I strode out with a genuine smile that turned at least two muzzloids’ heads.

Later that day I walked along the main road to the train station and saw a group of four
unmasked young women getting off together, probably local College students. Not sure what’s going on with that but that’s the second time I’ve seen this from that local demographic after shopping at the weekend. Emerging pocket of resistance maybe? Good to see, especially from us generally sheepish youngsters.

I am encouraged by the sub-100% mask compliance and am now going out more to keep it that way. Understandably many here have given up with shops given all the silly theatrics but I like to think these little interactions go a long way in not only supporting other unmasked shoppers, but also potentially turning any wavering sheep into fellow goats. Mabel Cow has done this, and you just might too.