2020-12-09

First, i suppose.

So the MPs had a chat today about the vaccine rollout. You can watch it here:

https://parliamentlive.tv/event/index/74eaa3df-fdae-42a3-b9bf-21a63dad3604?in=12:41:00&out=13:46:42

But spoiler alert, it’s a circle jerk.

I’m glad you called it a chat and not a debate. Not been much debate in the HOC for the past 9 months.

Mutual back slapping, under the headline Urgent Question.

Dear

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jqdvawSUmlA

PCR Vs Rapid Antigen – Safely Opening Up Society – a Rational, Technical Approach

Ivor Cummins

‘Circle Jerk’? Is that a euphemism for mutual masturbation?

Careful William, someone will start talking about the biscuits next and there are ladies present

Only if all participants attended Public School, old boy

Or if they work for the Fire Brigade

Yes. It is.

I don’t have six hours to waste on those tossers. Anyone care to highlight the points of interest, if any.

Pride: Britain first in the vaccination league; wonderful achievement; questions about local hospitals becoming vaccination hubs; protection of vulnerable; couple of mild inquiries about restriction easing; Hancock emoting, bla, bla,bla.

Pride ? Seems more like hubris.

Exactly and a mutual smugfest

In which case Nemesis is ringing the doorbell even now.

Catharsis coming up the path with luck.

Hubris is exactly the word of which I was thinking…

There’s been a lot of it about this year.

Just more puerile bragging.

The question will be how many succumb to the side effects versus how many more would have died of the virus, and the reduction in influenza deaths indicates to me that many of those deaths are shunted over to covid, especially with PCR tests which often show false positives.

Something usually comes after ‘pride’.

Quite sickening really ‘our common enemy’! What a load of nonsense!

Puerile.

Our common enemy is Whitehall.

The Enemy is this Government! I object to that ar$e talking as if we were all in this together, we know we are not!

I tried to read the summary but didn’t get very far. It was just a lot of smoke being blown hard up Handycock’s and the Nanny State’s arses. Very Soviet-esque.

Guess I’m 2nd.

Anyway, I’m off to bed, but I’ll leave the night shift to consider something that really bothers me about this whole thing.

There are far too many very intelligent people who “believe” all this. I can’t figure why this is, other than to think they have either been paid, or threatened.

Discuss! (Use both sides of the paper, if required.

Courage?

There are far too many intelligent people who are in on the scam and as per the main text quotes, some think it is for our own good.
The thing that puzzled me is why ‘they’ would want a society based on mistrust and suspicion and how this whole mess appeared out of nowhere yet is so pervasive.

I refer again to the BBC Documentary ‘The Trap, What Happened To Our Dream Of Freedom’, 2003.

Us oldies will remember how the theory of Mutually Assured Destruction saved the world from nuclear war.
John Nash (mathematician in The Beautiful Mind) at the Rand Corporation won a Nobel prize for a series of equations for extending MAD to organising the whole of society.

(Episode 1 @14 minutes) Using the scenario of The Prisoners Dilema he proved that it is in everyone’s interest to behave selfishly and that this would result in a stable societal outcome.

But the price would be a world in which everyone was suspicious and distrustful of everyone else which is exactly where we are today.

John Nash ended up in an asylum but his followers have been penetrating the organs of public life for 17 years.

Exactly, democracy is sub-optimal just less so than the alternatives.

I think that what happened is that in the ’90s the power structure figured out that with controlled opposition, i.e, one party in reality despite the continued existence of the shell of the multiparty system, that they could set up a permanent regime. The present day results are easily visible. The criminals are Tony Blair with the present henchman Starmer as the controlled opposition, and the Clintons, with the disgusting corrupt democrat regime now seizing control in the yankee imperium.

Absolutely. Once again the socialist want to control people. First by bureaucratic government, then by taxation and stealing labour, then by fear inducing health scams. It comes down to the greed and avarice of those who do not want to create their own wealth. Who do not want their nations and their citizens to aspire to greatness.

we allowed a deeply sinister regime to change our way of life, our values and take our future away. It happened because the few Marxists at the top of the tree, the lizards waiting in the wings saw their opportunity to deceive when Soros, Clinton and Blair all came on the world stage together. The ignorance and stupidity of people like Hezeltine, Clarke, Major and indeed Ted Heath opened the door to globalism.

The BBC documentary makes it clear that it not a left-right issue. It is the economists, academics, statisticians and public health experts presuming to know better with a hefty dollop of financial corruption thrown in.

The takeover of the State by these people was facilitated by all governments equally.

Indeed, those still playing the right vs left card, just haven’t got to grips with what is really going on. Another explanation is that the right vs left posts are not naive, but are deliberately meant to be divisive and emanate from the paid traitors in 77th Brigade.

This. So much this.

Presuming to know is the basis for errors that are then protected from exposure to correction.

The documentary sails as close to the wind as can be, by framing out or underplaying some of the key parameters. I don’t suggest this would necessarily be intentional in such terms.

And I appreciate Curtis’s work – which I followed back even to the revealing of a ‘Grenfell’ prediction as part of a critical exposure of a corporate housing ripoff when high density housing was sold to ‘progressive’ councils by firms that could disappear with profits to evade consequence. I expect the same in a vaccine gold rush. The pattern is the same – ‘Milk the Vacca’.

The globalisation of capital was well underway long before Clinton and Bliar. It would be natural for politics to follow.

It didn’t appear from nowhere. It has been building for a number of years. Drip, drip, drip. Many of us started to ask questions but were shouted down as conspiracy theorists. I remember reading an article almost 25 years ago about Russia kicking Open Society out of their country and trying to arrest Soros. However, USA gave him protection. Then Hungary did the same.

Then NHRN started talking about loss of freedom of speech but all the journalists closed the door on him. Don’t forget the grooming gangs, immigration, surveillance cameras, changing laws to stop governments helping their own people but sending billions to Foreign Aid, even the education. Education. Education farce where the grammar schools were taken away from those who benefitted most (the under privileged). Everything you know however small is the drip feeding of a nation too lazy to change their politicians. Too busy trying to put food on the table to have time to question their councils, teachers or MPs. It opened the door to worldwide corruption. The journalists were deeply complicit as they were too frightened to question and investigate. We now have a situation where a democratically elected USA President has been hounded for four years and his landslide return to the White House is openly mocked and blocked by the very people who want to control the world, and a UK government is again complicit in the treachery, with UK journalists turning their face away from scrutinising this terrible crime.

Jeremy Corbyn was personally responsible for taking my Grammar School education away from me, I passed my 11 plus but by the time I got there the Grammar had become a Second Class Modern called a Comprehensive.

Some years ago, Labour took away the scholarships granted to poor but able children giving them access to top private schools. Equal mediocrity for all the workers.

yet Labour blame grammar School closures on Thatcher

I got one of those grants (paid for everything) but hated it! I felt so out of place with all those privileged girls, although I met my “best friend” there as she was in the same boat! I never felt I could invite any of them back to my place with a mere 3 bedrooms and barely a quarter acre garden…and my parents didn’t speak Latin at the dinner table, etc etc.

John Nash (mathematician in The Beautiful Mind) at the Rand Corporation won a Nobel prize for a series of equations for extending MAD to organising the whole of society.

That’s not really right. Nash won the Nobel prize for a general theory of games and the ways in which a balance point could be struck among competing interests. Game theory was taken up by nuclear strategists among others. The “Nash equilibrium” is of importance in theoretical economics as illustrating how Adam Smith’s “invisible hand” might work. It’s far from being a principle on which to organise anything, more of an explanation of how things work out under conditions of competition rather than central control.

There’s a lot to be said about how the schools of mathematics popular in the USA and the USSR during the Cold War reflect their political and economic systems. Soviet mathematicians did a lot of work on optimal planning and control of complex systems, for example.

John Nash ended up in an asylum

No, he didn’t. He spent time in mental hospitals as a young man but, unusually for people with his condition, recovered sufficiently to resume a productive mathematical career. It’s fair to say, I gather, that his recovery was not complete.

his followers

I’m not aware of any.

Does being a mathematician make you wise?

I would not make that claim.

Unlikey.

Good response for a ‘narrative refinement’.
Ideas are taken up and repurposed – or as I often say weaponised and marketised by opportunism driven by perceived need or called forth by true desire.

Adam Curtis makes ‘docu-stories’ to show how ideas hijack the mind, replicate contagion and mutate as ever new twists to the narrative of possession and control. Persons and events are thus shown as agencies of the ideas rather than as pathogens. Though in order for him to set a drama key persons and events are used to sketch out – and this leads a personal moral judgement to fall into blame and shame reaction – rather than address the whole terrain within us.

I see mutual self interest operating as an invisible left hand of darkness when self is defined by fear to operate as the masking over and hiding of fear and thus protect the fear by following its directive as a power of protection. If this reads insane, that is because brought out of a compartmentalised dissociation, it is insane.

The golden rule operates the equilibrium of ‘balance points’ in support for Life as a result of all as brought to communication. But if fear and guilt interject a withdrawal and withholding of communication, the same rule operates to negative effect – for treachery sees itself in others and by reacting to what it sees in defence, does the thing it fear in the ‘othered’ to others and draws a like reaction that, like tares in the field, runs as contagion through the whole.

I continue this post on item #3 (of responses posted to this page)
at:
https://willingness-to-listen.blogspot.com/2020/12/breaking-spell-by-ceasing-to-cast-it.html

I was trying to be brief

Intelligence is not the same thing as common sense. The absent-minded professor, who is an utter idiot when it comes to anything outside his own field of expertise, is not a mere literary invention.

I would agree. I consider myself “intelligent” and a lot of people, not everyone, would agree, but people have also told me I lack common sense.
Whatever, I have found the Covid stuff bizarre and suspect from the very start.

They say that because they’re jealous. People say that to me too. Yeah, sure I lack their kind of “common sense”, but the who the hell needs that?

In truth you need your absent minded professor types and your redneck (so called because they worked in the fields) common sense types. Without rednecks, you wouldn’t eat!

The AI and biogenetics leads a very few to think they can discard or replace the many.
Even in fact their own biological consciousness (sic) into a virtual machine.
This is simply a reworking of the original theme of temptation to ‘become as gods’.

Yes, you’re right. I work in a boys’ school where the teachers are so obsessed by the number of press ups, laps and bench presses they can do that they literally know nothing about what’s going on outside.

You’ve hit the nail on the head. It’s lack of common sense. I know plenty of people with degrees and higher who have zero common sense.

In my 6+ decades on planet earth, it seems to me that common sense is disappearing fast as time passes. I wonder why?

Intelligence is the ability to reason and disseminate. Just because you have an education doesn’t mean you are intelligent. Indeed many people in the higher education system are not intelligent. Neither do they have common sense. What they have is a mind easily able to absorb knowledge. Which usually means they are very good at one subject or one form of programme. These are dangerous people because they don’t have the intelligence to disseminate.

Teachers teaching one subject only is a modern phenomenon. It creates mediocrity on a grand scale. It enables mind control. When 70yr old today went to school they had already been at home with mum for five years, who taught them alphabet, numbers and a little reading. They knew their address, they socialised with other children and the usually understood a bit about growing food and looking after house. Not today.

when they did go to school their teacher taught a range of subjects. Not least the history of our land. My grandchildren come home with drawings, picture books with one word on a page, with gold stars for being kind. I am often silently surprised at the basic level of teaching.

And we also had teachers, in our grammar schools, who had served in WW II and thus had a real understanding of what was really important in the world. But by the time we graduated from University there were a lot of graduates who didn’t want to work in a competitive, commercial environment and went into teaching as an easy option. I
Looking at most of the ‘issues’ we currently face as a society; the root cause is the crap education provided by the socially aware teaching ‘profession’

Drakeford – a prime example of a moronic mediocre social studies teacher.

the most un Welsh name in Wales

I have often observed (from people I went to school with, or know personally) that (most) people who become medical doctors are those ones who absorb “knowledge” but without questioning any of it – presumably because they aren’t capable of lateral thinking or that actually there may be some faults in what they’re being taught. They also seem to be those who weren’t the brightest in the class, but were the “plodders”. Then, when they pop out of medical school, they just regurgitate that which they’ve been taught again, without question. Thankfully there are several who aren’t like that, but they are few and far between…

I was listening to a very young sounding professor guy on the bastard BBC this morning. I thought how young he sounded. He couldn’t have been more than in his mid to late 20’s and he was advocating locking us all down harder and for longer and not doing Christmas. The usual bollocks.

It seems like most of the professors who are driving corona bollocks are very young. Fresh faced beardy young dudes trying to add gravitas to their demenor with a bit of facial bum-fluff.

I was thinking how is it that just because somebody has professor in their title means that they are infallible, they have to be right. Unquestionably.
I don’t want to denigrate people who can get that fabled title but seriously…Why are we allowing babies to make such important pronouncements that have such profound effects on so many people and why do we listen to them?
It seems like every person and his dog can get to be a professor these days.

I determined some time ago that listening to ANY news/commentary etc on the BBC, no matter how much I want to know what’s going on, is deeply harmful to my mental and spiritual health. I just dont do it any more.

I can manage about 10 minutes every 3 or 4 days

I gave up the BBC years ago…

It’s a good life being a professor, for as well as your monthly pay cheque, you get a nice little pick up from Bill Gates, if you make the right noises.

Unless you happen to be Professor Chris Exley, who happily busied himself for decades studying aluminium toxicity in living organisms…until he proposed a possible problem with the aluminium adjuvants in vaccines. Then – all his funding dried up! He made the mistake of mentioning autism…just saying that more research should be done, which seems like a good idea, given his research findings…but too late. He’d committed the cardinal sin!

Anyone who has got a Ph.D can call themselves ‘a professor” quite often these are people who have done 5 years of university without ever having a job in the real world.

Lol – I think I saw him somewhere too! But my 22-year old daughter has landed a funded PhD in psychology so in 3 years’ time she’ll be a “Doctor” – but I do try and play devil’s advocate with her and give her a reality check whenever I can. I think it irritates her but hopefully she’ll see the benefits one day (hopefully while I’m still alive!)

My brother tells me that the professor of physics at his university returned from an overseas convention and had forgotten where he lived and had to ask the department secretary! True, I promise.

Fear, just because you are intelligent doesn’t mean you aren’t susceptible to scaremongering propoganda.

I left school with a C in history O grade and fell foul of the propaganda for a couple of weeks, then started questioning and looking, which was difficult, for an alternative and asking myself more questions.

However I know personally 2 people one was a secondary teacher and the other has 2 degrees one in maths. Both of these people have been a major disappointment to me, as both of them believe I’m a loon ball and they are right and the government are right and the Sunday Times, the BBC and radio 4 do not tell the audience lies or spout propaganda. Not once have they questioned the narrative.

I do however believe they’re enjoying this, both pensioned, both sitting pretty financially and they both live in the middle of knowhere and actually joyfully told me how they clapped every Thursday night on the doorstep for the NHS!!!!! Why? No one saw them! So why????

My theory is they lack imagination, I may not have had wonderful report cards nor lots of qualifications but all of the teachers I had agreed that I had a wonderful imagination.

Yes, spot on!! I have worked in schools for nearly twenty years. I have only ever met one or two teachers who had any imagination.

I know some pensioners like this. Once hyper inflation kicks in and they can’t afford to eat/keep warm/travel/eat cake etc as before, I suspect that they’ll change their tunes sharpish.

By that time it will be too late to change tune.

The real impact on how everyone lives has still to come. Sheeple will be too confused to realise their unquestioning compliance had anything to do with the coming economic & social catastrophe. The disconnect to those with livings to earn, businesses to run, homes to keep is huge.

They will have been vaccinated by then, so yes far too late.

People who remain very much in the public sector tend never to understand the world around them. By that I mean twenty years of their lives are spent in institutionalised education. They then move on to a public sector job either in teaching, nursing, police etc. By this time indoctrination is deep. They just do not understand that their salaries are not paid by the Government, but by he private sector. The divide has now become so wide because the public sector have lost their sense of service to the country.

Simply put bureaucratic government has destroyed the fabric of our society. We are now close to becoming a fully socialist country but we have the ghastly inbetween which has driven mistrust and snobbish dislike of anyway who makes their own way and earns their own living by creating the salaries of those who are indeed the socialists.

One problem with this analysis is that in the UK taxation does not fund public sector spending. The government creates new money when it spends. The role of taxation is to create demand for the currency, cool the economy in times of excess inflation or to meet other social ends.

Having intelligence and being a grade A scholar are not always compatible.

that’s what i think too is a lack of orignal thinking , and a lack of thinking for yourself. i ‘ve lost most of my friends over this and anyway have lost respect for them if ever are friends again , not very good for a friendship!

Hilarious! Very sad though that such people are responsible for educating (or brainwashing) the next generation…I think if I had young children these days, I’d be home-educating for sure

It’s a thing that’s been puzzling me too. I am intelligent myself (so the official IQ test said) and I very much took it as read that others would see straight through all this Lockdown nonsense. It only took me a few weeks to realise it all just didn’t add up. Yet, if anything, it seems to be the more intelligent people I know that are more likely to believe all this rubbish. I think a large part of it is they often tend to be “sheltered” from the economic effects more than most – decent homes, more secure jobs etc and so can literally afford not to look into all this. Well – I’ve also got a reasonable home (finally) and my income is secure (ie pension) and yet I think otherwise. I personally think that one possible cause of them being ostriches (head in the sand) might be that, at a personal level, they’ve probably often suffered less in their lives to date and haven’t had to fight their way through bad situations as much as the more cynical of us. Having always been single/low income and from a dearer area – then I’ve had no option but to learn to be more cynical/questioning/stand up for myself and fight and I swear it’s taught me to think for myself more than those who’ve had a more comfortable lifestyle and have just coasted through not having to question in order to survive – as they married/had a joint income/took husbands surname/generally had a life to date that didn’t demand any “questioning” from them and so they never got into the habit of questioning.

The other thing is they might be greater consumers of tv than I am – whereas I learnt to regard tv as having a high nuisance factor as a teenager from a home where my mother switched on the tv when I was a teenager and always kept it on after that for the rest of her life (even when I was there in the room trying to do my homework) and that tv never went off again (apart from when they went to bed or out). Hence I’m a more selective viewer myself.

Yes exactly, Eliza.

It may perhaps also be that “intelligent middle class university educated people” (or thereabouts; I am such) are likely to conflate “reading and understanding material presented about a subject with “being informed about a subject”. Because that’s been the format or underlying assumption of their life and career to date.

So if they’ve watched the news and read the articles, they know all about it (they think) and can smugly and confidently dismiss those who don’t share “their” views.

People who’ve had to engage with life more directly are less inclined to operate this way: they’ve encountered the messiness of real life, with its scams and players and tricks, and so take note of the integrity of the messengers as well as the message, and of the way the message is being delivered (the “angle” basically). This, by intuition based on everyday experience; they don’t have to think it through to persuade themselves.

Now, fear can derail this intuitive attention just as much as it details critical reasoning, but the former recovers more easily because it is always “present, now” and dynamic, overturning misconceptions are any time, whereas reasoning tends to proceed from its last conclusion, which now has become “right” and difficult to disrupt.

so well thought out well said eliza. i agree.yes my was very close friend spends all day watching the news on tv .

I work with the police as a civilian so my job should be secure but I have been out of work in the past which means I am totally against measures which deprive people of their livelyhoods for no reason as I know what is like to have no income and be on the dole. I find it sad if people don’t question lockdoown.

The economy has been shut down for long periods, there are severe restrictions on what people can do, our civil liberties have been eroded and lockdowns have done enormous social and economic damage. In view of this it is vital to ask are such extreme measures justified. This is why have researched coronavirus as much as possible to see whether lockdowns are justified. For instance, lockdown laws apply to the whole population including healthy people who display no symptoms. I have asked on this website and numerous forums if asymptomatic transmission can occur and I have sent an FOI request to the NHS. A key justification for lockdowns is that covid is highly infectious and I sent an FOI request to the NHS to the NHS which was passed to Public Health England as to how covid is spread.

Regardless of whether your income is secure, you can’t escape the impact of lockdown. Leisure activities such as travel, theatres, sporting events, concerts, pubs, gyms and restaurants are not available. There are restrictions who you can see. Even if your livelyhood is secure, you are bound to have relatives and friends who have lost their livelyhoods.

If you question the current narrative, you will find numerous examples of things which don’t add up. We are constantly being bombarded with the message we are in a deadly pandemic. If this is the case, why do we see no evidence of this. We don’t see people dying in droves, people surviving but becoming severely ill and if it wasn’t for the hysteria generated by the media, internent and governments, you wouldn’t notice a pandemic. Everyone around me is completely healthy There are numerous issues raised with masks. If masks are essential protection, why were governments late in making them compulsory. The Welsh government didn’t make masks compulsory in shops until the 14th of September. Why are masks not being tested if we are breathing a dangerous and contagious virus into them?

It’s because they’re normies. We all know them. Their lives have gone reasonably smoothly up to now. They have no reason to think they should doubt either the Government or the media. They either laugh at or despise the people they think are conspiracy theorists. Nothing in their lives has ever given them cause to look behind the curtain. For them everything is normal, normal, normal . . . . . However, like the proverbial boiling frogs they have absolutely no clue what is going on. I think they’re in for a little bit of a shock. Don’t you?

They will. Economic Armageddon will find a way of catching up with them.

That’s also what’s baffled me throughout this crisis. As someone who did an education & history degree in a third world university, we were always taught that aspects of education in the developed world were superior to ones in the developing world. Of course this was in the mid to late 1990s.

Fast forward to when I moved here in 2004, I gradually realised that what I was told about education in the developed world was only true up to a certain point. Not to mention that having spoke to a lot of people here, the general consensus was education had began to deteriorate from the 2000s.

So we see that with many of the millenials especially who gravitate towards soundbites, simplistic binary thinking, lack of knowledge in the basics (because they’ve not been taught) and lack of over all curiosity. Hence why they bought into all of the propaganda wholesale.

However that doesn’t explain the older people who swallowed the propaganda whole. With their “superior” education, one would have they would have been better placed to be in Vernon Coleman’s words to “distrust the government, avoid mass media and to fight the lies.” However I don’t really see that either. I suspect a lot of it is to do with many of them having cosseted lifestyles, can afford to take financial hits, have not had to put up with a lot of crap in their lives or are possibly much more trusting of what they see and read. I also think that many of them being parents and grandparents have been scared into submission because of the threats that they won’t see their family again or that they can harm them.

As for me, I’ve long been a cynical git. Not helped by parents who tried their best in raising us but with so many mixed messages that I have long ceased not to trust them either. If you can’t trust your family 100% then I seriously doubt that you will trust anyone else much less the government.

Great post. So true

I’m a cynical git too

Fear of death. It’s a pretty base instinct. I’d say it’s also the main reason we have religions and look at all the otherwise intelligent people that have faith in them still?

You have faith in your own opinion but otherwise have some intelligent ideas.
If you meet fear of death, you may refine and grow new perspectives.

Basic instinct serves the physical response to serve the function of supporting your life. But the subordination of life to base instinct is living from a fear defined and determined sense of self and world. Faith in the body as a means of protection from Intimacy unmasked is so normalised to equate life exclusively with the virtual adaptation to the body’s needs and appetites as the function and fulfilment of life – that of course is no more effective than a vaccination – but once invested you have to further invest unless the absolute failure of such a racket reveals in pain and loss.

Because the mind can mask in anything, be it rationally presented scientific theory, presumed fact, or symbolically expressed mythic narratives, (that held the living cultural intelligence of your forbears within any current living generation) – I don’t regard your edict of judgement upon religions as anything but a declaration of ignorance. However, there is no shame in our starting place, in the context of a genuine desire to know the truth or accept its revealing to your awareness.

If an ‘intelligence’ must put down others so as to demonstrate or invite collusion to an elitism of its own smug superiority, then no matter how ingenious it may develop the means to protect its bubble against a real relationship, it has shared and grown nothing of any worth.
A living death, fears life.

I think we’re looking along the wrong dimension.

The issue isn’t about intelligence, it’s about locus of control .

People with an internal locus of control believe that they own actions control their fate, whereas people with an external locus of control believe that their fate is controlled by the actions of others .

I suggest that the government-believing, pro-lockdown contingent have an external locus of control and so allow other people to make their decisions for them. They love the restrictions because it frees them from having to decide for themselves.

The visitors to Lockdown Sceptics vary by education, academic intelligence, and political affiliation, but the thing that unites us is that we all have an internal locus of control. We make up our own minds and don’t just follow the official diktats. It doesn’t take much academic intelligence to realise we are being conned, it just requires a predisposition to taking responsibility for your own life.

Just my two Britishistan kopeks.

Like it. Makes a lot of sense.

Yep, totally agree with that analysis. Those who have always questioned things, followed their own path, done their own thing, have not drunk the Koolaid.

Our problem is the locusts of control
a fucking plague of them

Locusts of control . Like it.

Agree with this. Hence why there’s authoritarianism because people are simply programmed to get along with everything that’s decided for them for an easy life and a way to weasel out should things go wrong.

makes a lot of sense to me.
I think those with an ‘external’ locus of control will have a different opinion of their masters (i.e. government) with their tax raids of their savings and pensions to pay for this extravagant show!

The masters will keep kicking the can down the road as long as possible, but eventually something will crack.

I guess that most of us understand the Robert Frost poem: ‘The Road Not Taken’ which ends with the lines: “Two roads diverged in a wood, and I –

I took the one less traveled by,

And that has made all the difference.”

i’m so glad my wonderful mom always told me ‘ you make your own luck’

So true Mabel. I don’t know anyone who is truly a sceptic, they seem quite content to be locked down and be masked. It’s something I find astonishing and worrying. Way back in Feb/March I said it was a scam, so you can imagine the reaction I got way back then.

Or the focus as control which is coercive.
The action reaction of inner and outer can set up another division from what I might call the Cartesian split – though it runs way back when.
Command is the nature of a true decision. No need to invoke will-power to coerce yourself to think or do what is your true will.

But in principle I agree except I use different terms and see responsibility for our conscious experience as key.
Blaming our life on ‘It’ or ‘Them’ gives power away and sets the ‘answers’ in external terms, that only multiply the problem we may temporarily believe will ‘save us’ from what is ultimately ourself.

Absolutely right.

I am stunned by the number of my friends I thought were intelligent rational thinkers who are so resistant to any conversation about lock-downs, the virus, masks or vaccines. Any hint of the conversation turning in that direction and the shutters immediately come down,
Its irrational and very worrying.

Perhaps there is something in the water supply?

‘More than my job is worth’ running directly on existential fear.
Peer support or social inclusion is so much more than we like to think – because we like to think we are independent, in control, thinking beings, and even ‘free’!
Lies that we SEEM to live by, can only run in place of true relationship by being ‘shared’. This by definition generates an exclusion, pact, clique or segregative agreement NOT to openly say, know or accept the disclosure of the lies that are effecting a cover story for mistakes that grew out of all proportion to become hidden sins. Most have little or no rational sense of this, because most are using rationalisations to mask over and evade directly knowing what they need to turn a blind eye to, in order to ‘live with themselves’.
If you do not align in such a directive, you break the pact, contract, clique or hidden set of mutual conditions that set the terms under which life is allowed to move or communicate or share. As those conditions have been openly tightened or contracted to a new set of commandments, the pretences have to be openly asserted and masked in – no matter what.
The existential guilt and fear takes different form and pattern – but its demands are the sacrifice of love and life truly lived and shared.
He who would save his own life shall lose it – because salvation from fear is the restoring to love of life truly lived and shared.
This is truly having and being, but the fear of dispossession and exposure to humiliation and invalidation, is to ‘have not’ – which by its drive to GET, loses even the little that it has.
I see the recognition of the need for true foundation – in place of a driven insanity seeking limitation and control – is the honesty to true need recognised – and this is the turnaround or ‘bottoming out’.
Extending love to another is the recognition of their being, not the reinforcement of their narrative beliefs or presentations. There is a learning in how to not react as if our salvation depends upon countering or correcting their errors – which only feeds the mindset of error.

I have found it’s not really intelligence it’s more where you get your news and how much of a believer you are in that news. It all sounded wrong to me because of the over reaction on the BBC and MSM. WE have had viruses before so why lockdown. This made me curious and I started investigating other news providers. I heard Delores Cahill, and thought mmmm! I started looking for other like minded people and found Toby. Then I heard Peter Hitchens on talk radio and thought, hmmm, these people are saying what I am thinking so I can’t be bonkers. Then I found all the other sites LS heard the GBD, saw Mike Yeardon. I started spreading the word and turned the vast majority of my friends except one. My wife’s best friend who I am not allowed to preach to as she is a confirmed bedwetter. It will end up with her not liking me!! Hey ho! So I don’t think it’s intelligence, I think it is mistrust and curiosity.

The Israeli Intelligence had or perhaps still has a process of 1 in 10 acting devil’s advocate, as a means to avoid groupthink which is a dissociating blindness leading to failure of intelligence and negative consequence.
The instilling OF groupthink to captured assets and proxies is the denial of freedom of thought under a narrative dictate, demand or crusade.

This takes the targeted profile of guilt, shame, fear and masking defence, into a marketised and weaponised systemic control. (Welcome to the Machine)

All elitist control structures set narratives by which to protect their interests – that their own narrative justifies as in the nations, corporation, group or relationships interest. This is the reversal of mind to predate upon rather than participate within, relational existence – from an alien-ated and exclusive sense of self-interest set as if a mind set over and apart from a life denied and dissociated from – and yet entirely dependent on.

A story can also be seen as a spell or offer of entrancement. Invested identity runs in the frame provided.

“Give me the storyteller to every central banker’s mind and I care not who runs the world” – to adapt an already adapted phrase. Perhaps I overreach here – but my point is that those who employ spells of mind manipulation are not as free to be, as such thinking suggests, unless withdrawing from the narrative of which they are no less invisibly conformed, to a life and world they clearly hate – (or else would not seek to possess, control and destroy it and others to remake all their own image-worship).

On the other hand there is now a theme of ‘how do we wake the sleeping?
I suggest we don’t and cannot OF ourselves impose upon or change the will of another, but that the intent and attempt entangles us in a negative self-reinforcing loop,
But in attending to the living and witnessing to alignment and unselfconscious extension of life, we serve the conditions that support freedom of being – as the perspective from which sane choice corrects mistaken and persisted investments.
This is to say we are not as awake or in truth healed or whole if we must convert or save the minds of others, in order to be vindicated.

As I wrote that I saw the similarity with the vaccine as ‘religion’ that has to not only ongoingly sacrifice to a prop of protection, but demand it of all others so as to eradicate doubt.

Recognising the psychic-emotional patterns is a function of expanding intelligence, rather than extending patterns of which we are unknowingly conformed and condemned to repeat.

Many interesting and thoughtful replies on here to this central and deeply baffling question. But I still cannot really get my head around the phenomenon. It frequently makes me wonder about my own sceptical position (though rationally I am pretty sure I am right).

Some thoughts:

In reply to Burlington. This ‘shuttering down’ may indicate some kind of cognitive dissonance on their part, which is a good sign for us sceptics.

I have a feeling many are adopting stances purely on what they see as ‘moral’ grounds (saving just one life, protecting vulnerable, etc, etc) and then simply using their ‘intelligence’ to find arguments for their stance. In a sense this merely restates the problem, but the response on the part of student (when faced with ‘inconvenient’ info) at the end of this piece is interesting.
https://web.archive.org/web/20201126223119/https://www.jhunewsletter.com/article/2020/11/a-closer-look-at-u-s-deaths-due-to-covid-19

Certainly, people in the West generally are not sceptical enough. My wife grew up in communist Czechoslovakia, so — as she says — it comes quite naturally to her to distrust the authorities/media, etc/ She is deeply disappointed with the West, but she is much better psychologically prepared than me to deal with PTB lying to her. The historical betrayal of Munich also makes many Czechs wary of what someone called ‘the former democracies of Western Europe’. Long-term cultural factors mean Czechs are one of the most sceptical/cynical nations in general, and specifically seem to be one of the most sceptical toward vaccines (including covid).

fluoride !

It isn’t added to much of the UK water supply. Must be something else?

you a re very lucky there . american here, they like to posion us here . i too don’t understand how so many people can believe all this . don’t know what i’d do without lockdown sceptics

Still pondering this question a few hours later. I think maybe many intelligent people are getting the income one would assume they are (ie a decent one) and chances are in a more secure job and they just don’t come across people suffering the bad effects of Lockdown (ie job loss/lack of necessary health care/etc) and so don’t quite believe it. It’s maybe a case of “I’m all right Jack/Jill”. Can’t speak for other countries – but Britain is very much a country still of people moving very much only within their own little circles/”birds of a feather flock together”. I know I would have struggled to believe unemployment, for instance, was something that could happen to someone like myself until it came to the 1980s and it did and I still couldnt/cant understand it – because those were the days of dole queues and I had to line up to sign on and I never ever ever spotted anyone in those queues that “looked like me”. Don’t know if there were others like me signing on – but I looked less likely to grab for “any job regardless” (as I was single/paying rent at the time/etc) and perhaps they had an unofficial list of “people whose will we need to break – as they seem to be stronger people” and I got deliberately lumped into a queue with no-one remotely like me for fellow feeling/commiseration so that I would feel very isolated (I did…)?? Point being – maybe there’s a bit of an element now of finding ways to isolate the “more intelligent – that have done better from being that way” from everyone else so their eyes don’t get opened to just how awful an effect Lockdown is having on many people and they can continue living in their own little “I’m all right Jack” world?

I’m managing okay now at a financial level – but I’m in a poorer area now and I’m someone that chats to “anyone and everyone” and I do get told of the material effects on other people in this.

A lot of sense in what you say!

Intelligence is predicated upon what?
Intelligence can be assigned to those considered insane or possessed of evil intent.
The issue then is not the capacity or ability of the mind, but its assigned and assumed active purpose. Garbage in; garbage out doesn’t just apply to Ferguson’s modelling career! But if garbage is needed as a pretext for private gain or evading private loss, then, intelligence is assigned the task of presenting such a masking agenda and fronting it out. If the private agenda equates itself with the public good, then all lies become noble or necessary leverage towards a perceived good or lesser evil – relative to an ongoing situation of impending threat to private agenda, that is perceived as the greater evil against which all resources and abilities are aligned, but which cannot be openly acknowledged, for disclosure of the true account is the greater evil associated with fear of pain of loss of power as both ‘face’ and ‘control’.

A corrupted and dissociated sense of self is masked from self-honesty, as the attempt to control the results, so as to hide the conflict by redefining its world as the justification for persisting as narratives of controlm evasion and shifting predicates asserted as if a continuity.

Within a ‘normal’ world of mutually agreed conditioning, the agreements are essentially invisibly structured as the ‘world’ or reality in which we live. Those in a bubble self and world perceive the reinforcements and proofs that represent their survival – as set in such an unconscious or subconsciously operating structure of identified definitions and beliefs. The nature of the drive for a bubbled or masked off sense of self and world is driven to maintain itself as the action and reaction of a sense of self set over conflict.

The need for mutual reinforcement will override all else , because there is no support in reality for invested self-illusion – excepting its revelation as a lack of substance or untrue.

The world as a narrative construct of human image, meaning, modelling, predictions and controls is a ‘House of Cards’ too big to fail – but lacking true foundation or conflicted as a result of corruptions and adulterations of a true Currency that effect a dissociated bubble reality that runs destructive to conservation of worth, as well as to creative and expansive endeavour.

The thinking within the solution being ‘rolled out’ is fear-defined, fear driven and fear managing. There is no love in it. Can a machine intelligence be anything but a programming of templated programming – no matter how fitted to ‘learning’ as a quantised systemic modelling and control system?

Post continues on
https://willingness-to-listen.blogspot.com/2020/12/breaking-spell-by-ceasing-to-cast-it.html

Are you a real person?! Your preachings sound like one of those AI systems programmed to sound like they make sense but don’t actually mean anything!

Perhaps it’s just a ruse to make us think that your critical reasoning is on an even higher plane than a bunch of seasoned skeptics.

I’ve given up trying to understand Binra’s posts. I’m sure they’re meaningful, but they make my head hurt. They remind me of the books I and my peers were told to read before starting our Architecture degree…

me too cant understand it ,maybe they arent actually intellgient after all, or else have no morals or are somewhat intellgient but are sheep and never think for themselves [i like real sheep better ]. i found one more friend who is a sceptic so am happier than had been but most are still sheep

Thank you all so much for an extremely interesting discussion. I rarely see this anywhere else on the internet.

I’m immensely grateful for your replies.

Yes, I feel like I’m in a room with “like-minded” people – which makes a change these days!

The ‘very intelligent people’ will consider themselves as ‘experts’ in their own fields and will expect to be listened to and believed. Therefore when another ‘expert’ says something, the ‘very intelligent person’ will believe them without question. In their view anyone who dares to question an ‘expert’ is not very intelligent.

However, the “very intelligent people” who are SAGE members (there’s an oxymoron if ever I saw one) aren’t prepared to debate with those who, to me, are more “very intelligent people” such as Dr Mike Yeadon, Dr Carl Heneghan, Dr Clare Craig etc…why is that?

They may be intelligent, but they’re low information actors. They have no interest in spending hours reading what there is to read on the subject, listening to experts. What they see is a government faced with a crisis, with tens of thousands of people dying, and high profile doctors and experts predicting thousands of deaths a day if we don’t do something.

Which is all true, actually. A quick glance and papers, and society, and people’s testimonies will confirm it. Most people would stop there, calling the evidence overwhelming. But they don’t dig further to see that while the government is facing a crisis, it’s a crisis of their own doing. They don’t dig further to see that even though tens of thousands of people died, very few of them died of this thing, and tens of thousands of people die every year of respiratory diseases anyways (and they won’t hesitate to call you insensitive for saying that). And they won’t spend a moment at all the other high profile doctors and experts that prove the government wrong.

As Hitler himself said, build a lie big enough such that no one believes anyone “could have the impudence to distort the truth so infamously”. It’s a lie that runs deep, one that you have to work hard in order to find its roots. And corporate news and social media have made it very hard to dig.

TL;DR: They can’t be arsed to look into it.

OOPs third today – falling down the league table!!!

judy you were obviously having too good a time in the pubs of phuket!!
Ohh how i wish i were in thailand – not necessarily phuket (where i think you’re based) as it was way too touristy for me, but right now i think i’d settle even for that to get away from here!

I’d settle for a San Miguel on the beach in benidorm.

The resistance to the use of cheap and proven safe and effective therapeutics such as Vitamin D, Ivermectin and HCQ in this epidemic has been one of numerous mysteries that has cost many lives. Still the Government is not following the evidence on this

This is not a mystery at all. Clearly it is being done to prolong the “pandemic” and prop up the demand for a vaccine. The virus already is barely deadly enough to warrant a vaccine, especially an untested one. Cheap, effective, therapeutics would certainly make a vaccine moot. None of the measures enacted since last March have been about saving lives but about pushing the vaccine on us.

There is no need whatsoever for a vaccine. The creation of a ‘pandemic’ is simply evidence of the extent to which Big Pharma has corrupted our political class and the civil servants who are supposed to give them impartial advice.

HCQ was available over the counter in France until February when it was quietly withdrawn.

In March, Dr Malcolm Kendrick said in his blog that he’d tried to get some supplies for the GP practice where he works, but was told that they weren’t able to get it as they didn’t want supplies to run out for those with RA and lupus who took it routinely!

These things are too cheap compared to pharmaceutical drugs it is all about the money and NOTHING to do with health

On that point about vitamin D, why is it that other countries have been promoting it to their citizens and yet our darling Matt Hancock told us porkies a few weeks ago about there having been studies done on it here, and it didn’t show any benefit? They really must think we, the public, are utterly stupid!

An overlooked fact about vitamin D is that BAME people are more likely to be defficent as the body produces it in the precence of sunlight and people of non European heritage have darker skin that blocks out sunlight. Not the whole reason why deaths amoung the BAME community are higher than average but possibly a factor. No one wants to investigate this because they can’t use genetics to make a political point. Far more woke to blame systemic racism and much easier because you don’t need to provide evydence to back up claims that are woke.

Another mystery surrounding HCQ is why in March the British Government (and others such as India) placed it on the list of drugs that it doesn’t grant export licences for.
http://www.pharmaceutical-technology.com/comment/parallel-export-covid-19 .
Presumably they were stockpiling, so why wasn’t it used.
My theory is that at the time the evidence for it’s effectiveness was good but not conclusive. Once Trump said that it worked nobody wanted to be seen to agree with him, so researchers didn’t do more studies and journals wouldn’t publish papers that showed it’s effectiveness. At the time papers such the guardian ran stories claiming that it was ineffective, and certainely no media organisation would dare to campaign for it’s use and be seen to agree with Trump. Lack or research meant that regulatory body didn’t have enough evidence to licence it’s use, plus there was the aticle in one of the top medical journals that showed it didn’t work that was trumpeted by the media. It was later withdrawn when it turned out that the company that supplied the data was run by a sci-fi writer and a porn star.
Basically, by saying it worked Trump prevented it’s use.
The fact that researchers etc. put their hatred of Trump and desire to be woke by not giving him credability ahead of saving lives is shocking, but sadly it doesn’t suprise me.

We are told that yesterday there were a further 616 covid deaths

How can that possibly be so?

In a ‘normal’ year there are about 1,700 deaths a day

Are we to believe that there were 2,316 deaths yesterday?

When the figures for the total deaths yesterday are eventually announced will they be around the 1,700 mark?

If the total deaths are about 1,700 then there is no pandemic

What we have is a fraudemic

But I guess we knew that all along

If course it’s a fraud. But the Covid corpse count is the H-bomb of the Fascists’. campaign against humanity, and they have no scruples about dropping it.

You hit the nail on the head

The spike in excess deaths in April was manufactured by clearing hospitals and sending CV19+ patients into care homes. That’s the only data point that matters to the powers-that-be.

Dr Malcolm Kendrick said that care home workers where he practised were told specifically NOT to use PPE back then. Seems strange, unless you start to believe it was part of the plan

AND they are going to get rid of an epidemic of a disease that practically shows no symptoms with a vaccine that doesn’t stop infections but instead – get ready for it – reduces the symptoms.

What a con job.

Indeed we do. But the majority are still asleep and it makes you wonder what will it take to make them realise that they’ve been had.

Sadly, they may find out post-vaccination…

I’m too lazy to look closely but I’ve got the feeling that deaths on a Tuesday are always numerous. It might be an artefact of data collection, given that some figures are not reported over the weekend.

5 were reported for the County on Monday but it turns out they died on various days going back to mid November.

Deaths in England and Wales on Week 48 (most recent data) were 26% above historic mean levels for the time of year. Normally in Week 48 we would see about 9900 deaths (10-year range was 9203 to 10958). this year we saw 12456. That’s 1498 more than the previous highest value (214/day) and 2556 more than normal (365/day).

Most people don’t seem to realise how many people die in a normal year in the winter. As for the “Covid deaths” we keep hearing about on MSM, we all know that they may just be those with Covid mentioned on the death certificate, not necessarily that they died of it, or they had a positive PCR test (for what that’s worth!) in the previous 28 days. Whenever I see them announce, “xxx people have sadly died today of Covid” I really, really want to smash the TV

A (mRNA) vaccine against a cold/flu virus that is not tested properly for years is a bit dangerous wouldn’t you say?

All (pseudo)-vaccines made for the computer modelled Covid are in fact forms of gene-therapy. CanSino, Johnson, Oxford and Zeneca uses a living GMO virus bearing the Covid-spike gene.

Pfizer and others uses messenger RNA. ALL are forms of gene-therapy.

Sorry folks but this is a “live-trialed” human experimentation that has been launched done by some of the most devious profiteers to ever walk the earth.

The social engineering and mental/emotional manipulation that has been applied to humanity over the last 9 months is as diabolical as anything I have seen.

The physical damage that is going to be done to people over the next 6 months is going to be significant. The damage, both psychologically and physically, to millions in these last 9 months is beyond measure.

The vaccination campaign is irrefutably constitutive of a medical experiment, since its innovative character means that strictly no one can know the consequences for the populations that would be subjected to this experiment and that it is widely scientifically documented that many vaccines produce multiple effects secondary and disabling or fatal vaccine accidents.

Medical experiments are framed in international criminal law by the Nuremberg Code, of the strictest interpretation: a number of doctors were sentenced to death in 1947 for violating the principles of this Code, internationally recognized since that time.
In light of the information available to date, no citizen can be in a position of free and informed consent to the “Covid-19” vaccination which is being utilized by various institutions.

Thus, the fact for any doctor, nurse or any person who would participate in any act or attempted act of vaccination with one of the “Covid-19” vaccines currently being promoted would be in a position of committing a medical experiment in violation of the Nuremberg Code and should be held accountable as such.

What we are immersed in historically are crimes against humanity.

Is Vaccinated Margaret still with us ?

If the vaccine is harmful.
But if it isn’t, it’s merely a giant con job.

I’m terribly worried about some elderly relatives, people I love, having this rushed indemnified experimental vaccine. I hope people do their research first

A depressingly surreal and anxious time

https://twitter.com/SueC00K/status/1327900689041928198?s=20

https://twitter.com/simondolan/status/1336297332124561409?s=20

https://2020news.de/en/dr-wodarg-and-dr-yeadon-request-a-stop-of-all-corona-vaccination-studies-and-call-for-co-signing-the-petition/

thank you allen for this so well said and written. i love reading about world war two and this is like being back there . the medical experiments, the brainwashing . churchill is my hero. wish he was here now

Since the vaccine has undergone short term testing and been shown to be safe in the short term, the physical damage it may do to people won’t start to show up for at least 6 months and it will be at least a year before the evidence becomes conclusive. Presumably by the time it turns out to be unsafe everyone in the country who wants it will have had it.

Life in Saor Alba: we’re being moved into Tier3 on the 11th: whoopee! House arrest-lite, all thanks to Holyrood.

A maskademic is spreading here; now worn in the fresh air, along with plastic space helmets.

Gags are now to be seen pulled down below the nose as the faithful balance the need for O2 against public obedience.

Being the only obvious lanyard wearer, I’m now treated to glares, stares and swerves.

What a depressingly mindless cultish dystopia we now have here, and as for the etiquette guide! How much did this latest piece of self righteous mind numbing guff cost?

To add to my dismay and alienation, rumour has it that the SNP now operates an opponents list, some MSPs apparently now refusing to represent heretics.

Verily, we are soon to be cast into outer darkness by the Independence Inquisitors; time is running out for the opposition to build an effective and cogent movement. Appeasement merely feeds the beast.

One’s mind simply boggles.
However, on various visits to Scotland before the bollox, I was struck by the big-brother cult that was already evident in numerous small details. Like the notices in public lavatories exhorting people to phone the police if they could smell cigarette smoke coming from another cubicle. Or the absolute prohibition on drink-driving that made me so popular with friends, because I don’t drink alcohol in the evenings.
Maybe it’s the lingering legacy of Calvinism. In a Calvinist community, rigid surveillance was the norm, and dobbing the neighbours a way of life.

It’s control creep Annie and seemingly unstoppable. I still can’t understand why so many folk just go along with it.

Many whom I’ve spoken to since the madness started ,have confided their loathing of the cult and The Leader, but they’re reluctant to speak out:( worries about enforced redundancy and cancelling understandable, but we need opposition to manifest at next year’s ballot box).

The Hate Crime bill poses a real threat to even the privacy of one’s own home.

The fact that all this is done in the name of equality and social justice renders it even more distasteful.

As to the £500 pay out shenanigans; senior doctors have displayed some backbone, dismissing it as an embarassment which they do not need.

But the Nats pick yet another utterly pointless unfounded fight with Westminster over taxation of said bonus, which turns out, on balance, to be regressive, rather than progressive, as with the sanitary towels and tampons free for all.

Why let fiscal facts get in the way of another confected grievance?

I think it is Calvinism.

Why not? It gets blamed for most things.

Alba sounds about as “saor” as Eire, which is completely un saor.

Quite right; I use it ironically,as it is now favoured by our rulers

And Alba from the same root as Albion from the old name for the island of Great Britain . I think Neil Oliver pointed that one out

If its true that some MSPs refuse to represent constituents who don’t toe the line then that’s disturbing.

I keep saying that Mr Bart & I always give thanks everyday that we have moved out of Scotland. And looks like its getting worse and worse, the likes of Adam Smith and David Hume must be rolling in their graves now.

I agree with Annie here, a lot of this is explained by Scotland’s ruthless conformist society back up by the Presbyterian/Calvinist ethos and small town mentality.

Who will eventually succeed St Nicola in Kim Jung style, please?

Hasnt Mhairi Black been tipped? LGBT and a Gaelic name. What more could you want?

O Friend and mentor of Flow Job; what more could we ask for?!

A brain, perhaps?

Not yet;we live in dread/hope. Michelle Ballantyne is an excellent MSP; formerly Conservative but now Independent,following her removal from the leadership contest.

We need a strong opposition; now. I wish Neil Oliver and Andrew Neil would stand,as they have the popularity, the reach and the influence.

Listen to James Delingpole’s interview with Scot Jamie Blackett. He, too, is interested in changing the situation in Scotland.

Refusing to represent heretics? That’s discrimination, isn’t it? We’re a “minority group!”

I’d like to think so, but an example has surfaced in Glasgow:

https://themajority.scot/2020/12/07/vote-snp-or-else/

The stance of the CDC is not reasonable, in spite of that statement. They say “face to face” learning, but it is nothing of the sort. Per their guidelines, full masking, strict distance, cancellation of virtually all activities and interaction. That’s not a school, it’s a trauma factory.

We are well and truly fucked. A national suicide.

Make that international suicide, with the exception of China.

My teen grandson is well balanced but continually being told to hand wash and mask up in case he kills his granddad is getting to him and disturbing his sleep.

That is so very sad to hear. Lets hope it doesn’t become so ingrained he develps some form of OCD.

What does his granddad thunk about it?

The psychological toll of the BS is immense but unfortunately also hard to quantify. I bet suicides are going up, though.

Someone here posted a heartbreaking article about many farmers in India committing suicide because they can’t earn a living and have gone into massive debt trying to stay afloat.

Monsanto selling them GM seeds.

There’s a petition on Change to allow a schoolboy to be taught at school with a mask on. Apparently, the school won’t let him attend if he wears a muzzle. I had to read it twice.

Good for that school.

Yes, I thought that. I hope they don’t give in and let him wear a muzzle. I also felt sorry for the boy as he’s been brainwashed into believing the COVID rubbish.

Sir Patrick Vallance can f***right off with his satanic mask wearing. I apologise for the profanity but this is getting a bit wearing.

But it’s not just masks he is talking about

ALL the restrictions will remain

Toby is going to look awfully silly when he starts commenting on the great reset. Even Delingpole is now properly one of us.

In that case I am not one of us.
Greed, hunger for power and mind-boggling stupidity on the part of rulers, and disgusting, cretinous cowardice on the part of the ruled, have got us where we are.

Yes, that’s about it.

I agree with you about alcohol in the evening by the way – best during the day, especially late afternoon, but mornings too if I have a cold.

yeah yeah.. build back better and ban cars and gas boilers and destroy jobs not deemed climate friendly.. vaccine id.. you are deluded, like Toby.

It struck me there is an inconsistency here re the idea of banning gas boilers – as I live in a more remote area (ie there’s lots of houses here heated with oil or calor gas and no-one has said a thing about banning that to my knowledge). But there’s no way I’m swopping my (pretty new – and I’m the one that paid for it) gas boiler central heating system over to an electric one. Reason a. They’d expect the cost of swopping to be borne by me b. Who would pay the extra costs of running an electric heating system? (Clue – it wouldnt be me and I’d refuse to be cold).

I can barely afford to keep warm with gas…

You don’t think there’s a teency weency bit of nudging from certain mega influential people, some of whom might have a first name Bill, pushing for their vision of how the world might be better?

You have to ask why Belarus was offered a huge loan in exchange for imposing lockdown and restrictions and why every country is reading from the same script

You might ask why indeed, but then again we already know the answer. We are in the midst of an epic global scam, against which only a handful of countries have shown firm resistance.

The long cherished dream of the global elites is for elimination of the great masses of the global population and the rollout of the Covid-19 vaccines is the engineered opportunity of a globalist lifetime. They will use it to their full advantage and we are now in a desperate fight for our very lives.

By 2022 the economy will have collapsed. If shops are being closed (three in my small welsh hometown) due to false positive results and social isolating, what’s happening to critical infrastructure like power generation? What is going to happen, particularly if the cold weather persists for a longish period of time?

I’ve been raising the very same point for many weeks :the neglect of the many services and infrastructure necessary to maintain complex modern societies is beginning to show.

Fuel poverty is spreading, while the powers that be obsess about vaccinations and -up here- independence.

The SNP wields its magic wand while removing our freedom of speech, thought and movement.

Well paid secure movers and shakers blithely assure us that all is for the best in the best of all possible dystopian worlds, while Boris and fellow travellers make mad ,financially ruinous moves towards decarbonising the UK’s economy by switching off gas supplies.

https://www.spiked-online.com/2020/12/09/the-lie-of-the-green-industrial-revolution/

That’s exactly what the trillionaire shadow government globalist whackjobs want. Get rid if 90% and enslave the rest

Neil Oliver made that point last week, the economy will suffer even more because people will go what’s the point of opening a new business or expanding an existing one if the government can decide at will to shut you down because of some crisis? This year sets a bad precedent and that’s why we have to keep fighting at all costs.

Otherwise there will be nothing left.

And ALL the restrictions will be ignored in this household.

The masks are merely a symbol of all the other controls.

So he hid away for three weeks plucking up the courage to announce this.
Haven’t worn them this year and won’t be wearing them next. Sorry to disappoint Pat.

Same here. They can fuck right off with their foul face nappies.
Carry on the Campaign for Real Human Beings.

“ Campaign for Real Human Beings” – I like it.

Love the slogan, we should get badges made, I would wear one proudly.

Once the 60+ cohort get the jab I think (hope) it’s over. Where there are no fines or goons on the door, lockdown is as good as done where I live and that’s in a town of retirees.

It will never be over.

And, if it ever is, they will just increase the cycle threshold used for the PCR scam and re-start the fear pandemic!

I just hope you’re right and this madness stops at that point. Me – I’m over 60 and obviously won’t be having the jab – and am taking the precaution of making new friends from amongst younger people (gotta make sure I still have some friends – when my own agegroup start keeling over from the effects of the vaccine…).

‘ Begs the question: At what point will the scientific and medical advisers recognise that it is more important to let people get on with their lives and jobs? ‘

Begs the question: when will Valance and Whitty be charged with whatever criminal offence covers causing unnecessary suffering and death for no good reason other than personal gain and be brought to trial?

Begs the question: what can be done to ensure that petty tyrants with known links to Big Pharma can never again bully a weak and incompetent Prime Minister into running the country for their benefit?

Not begs. Raises.
Pedants rise early.

Thank you. I wanted to say the same.

Exactly: “The fallacy of begging the question occurs when an argument’s premises assume the truth of the conclusion, instead of supporting it. In other words, you assume without proof the stand/position, or a significant part of the stand, that is in question. Begging the question is also called arguing in a circle.”

You shouldn’t rely on Wikipedia and should avoid quoting from the site, otherwise you risk showing yourself to be less clever than you want us to believe you are.

why, if it;s good enough for SAGE modelling it should be good enough for anything.

Well, I appreciate the quote. Thank you, StevieH.

Here’s the article for those who want to read more.

Apart from the blindingly obvious, that I was playing on the form of the quote and I am happy to stick with ‘begs’, which is more than adequate and not incorrect, to be a pedant requires some relevant knowledge, which you clearly have not.

I should go back to bed sweetie, were I you.

In an attempt at out-pedanting, I’d have to raise the question of whether the usage applied is not actually just as well established, and perfectly acceptable in itself.

We all know that using “begs the question” probably arose in English from misapplying the original translation of the logical term, but I’d say it’s pretty likely it’s far more frequently used as here, with its apparent meaning, which in itself seems perfectly legitimate, than with it’s original meaning.

And because it’s actually inherently a legitimate use of “begs” as an intensifier of “calls for”, anyway, we don’t necessarily have to descend into the mire of prescriptive or descriptive.

And now I can post one of my favourite little cartoons again;

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2020/12/08/day-two-world-firsts-patients-received-pfizer-vaccine-mps-praised/#comment

CCHQ and/or 77th Brigade busy in the comments. Report every such comment as SPAM.

How can the taxpayer funded Vallance be allowed to push a line which is palpably untrue and results in personal financial gain for himself?

How can someone who is unelected and unaccountable have so much influence over the `Prime Minister?

Because he’s saying what the Prime Minister wants to hear?

Because they are all “the government” and in different ways are forwarding the government’s policies? Any apparent differences between them are down to varying opinions on presentational approach, are them jostling for prominence, or are just pure theatre.

https://architectsforsocialhousing.co.uk/2020/11/12/the-betrayal-of-the-clerks-uk-intellectuals-in-the-service-of-the-biosecurity-state/

He is that bloke in a crowd of clever people who does not want to be made to look stupid by asking a question he thinks they will laugh at. Like, what if we just stopped and went back to normal or if there is a pandemic, why are there not more dead people.

Fascists? Whenever I see anyone mention this as the motivating ideology on here I switch off and get angry…….those who think this scam is fascist couldn’t be more wong. It’s the opposite and blaming fascism is just what they want you to think.

Just out of curiosity: what is the opposite of fascism?

Edit: just looked at some discussions on the WWW, and one of the defining elements of fascism, apparently, is ‘national chauvinism’. But… if you take it to its logical conclusion, the nation in question wants to take over the world (“nothing outside the state…”). Therefore, isn’t it true to say that fascism is ‘globalist’ rather than nationalist? Nationalism is just the stepping stone to world domination.

and the melding of corporations/institutions and state e.g. WHO/UN/Davos members such as Goldman Sachs, Gates/Gavi.. techoncracy is fascism.

Most forget that nationalism was originally a liberal ideal in favour of nation states rather than multi ethnic European Empires.

“National chauvinism” is a tautology.

It is fascism. The definition of Fascism is governmental roles being carried out by quasi private companies. That’s it. Nothing more nothing less. Fascism doesn’t have to mean goose stepping leather booted mass murderers with a snappy dress sense and having a good flag designer.

The current regime is a totalitarian fascist dictatorship. Nothing more nothing less.

These smear terms have no clear and certain definition.

“ The current regime is a totalitarian fascist dictatorship “

Not a dictatorship, clearly.

As for fascist, well as I noted you’d have to settle on a definition before you could debate that, and it would have to be a lot more detailed than the one you gave. Governmental roles have been carried out by private companies in every regime in the world except formally communist ones throughout history. Why it makes much difference who runs the immense organisations that crush the human spirit – a “capitalist” or a state apparatchik, I’ve never really understood.

Fwiw, I’d say this government’s philosophy is a lot closer to eco-socialist, in historical context, than any kind of opposite.

Totalitarian – now you have something think. Restrictions on speech, soon extending into the home, collectivist restrictions extending into every part of life, no effective limits on the power of the state.

Our government is not currently a dictatorship? Looks like one to me.

Then you’d have to explain what you mean by a dictatorship.

For me, it requires individual power not subject to constitutional controls or genuine election. There’s no evidence those conditions apply today. Johnson could be booted out tomorrow if enough MPs decided to do it, and notwithstanding dark claims often made here, there’s currently no reason to suppose elections won’t continue as before, in future.

That’s not to say I don’t have criticisms of the present situation, of course.

The longstanding British system has been described as an “elective dictatorship” because the PM has considerable power, provided he has the Commons behind him, but that imo is rather a rhetorical device. In any case, it’s certainly nothing new.

So how about the current rule by the cabal of 4, the closing of parliament empty most of the time with business being done on zoom or teams. How about having no recourse to anybody to complain about corona bollocks, how about all those 400+ Si’s brought in with no debate.
It looks like Boris the dictator to me.

I know what you are saying anyway. The academic approach.

There is no Commons – in case you haven’t noticed. There are usually about six people in there and there is no debate whatsoever.

The first thing dePiffle did as PM was an attempt to prorogue Parliament. This year he effectively achieved his aim.

You could call it liberalism or neoliberalism unmasked but most people wouldn’t understand that. When corporations have the power to control and repress us, as we’re seeing now, it is closer to Mussolini’s description of fascism

Oh dear, I had a bit of a set-to yesterday with a customer. I know, I’m meant to be all nicey-nicey because I am in hospitality but I feel I have a valid reason for the robust kick-back.

As he came to pay he jokingly asked how I was. So I did my usual “well, apart from living under a dictatorship in a dystopian nightmare, fine thanks”. He started laughing. I pointed out that our predicament was not funny and I was making a deadly serious point. He responded “Blimey, I shouldn’t have asked” And I thought “no pal, if you don’t want to hear an honest reply to a – rather stupid – question, no you shouldn’t have asked”

When, just when, are these idiots going to wake up to what has been done to us all?

On a happier note, a lot of my elderly customers have said they are going nowhere near the new wonder jab.

A zealot friend and follower of Nicola’s every utterance has said she doesn’t want it, so, one very small step in the right direction.

For once we agreed.

Has Turdgeon had it yet?

Nothing has been said as yet. No doubt she’ll make a very loud point about waiting in the queue, while the ‘vulnerable’- how I loathe this word- are duly jabbed and saved.

The latest Sturgeonism revealed that witnessing the first jabs brought a lump to her throat.

She’s challenging Shuttlecock for pole position in the emoting stakes

I can’t abide this drippy emotive crap. Can you imagine politicians of the past engaging in this bollocks? No, me neither. It debases real emotion.

It’s what the people want.

Not people. Zombies.

I knew Society was doomed after witnessing our collective response to Princess Diana dying.

It disgusts me,kh; it’s mendacious,spurious and ,I suspect, adopted in response to coaching by costly PR Consultants: keep the plebs onside by showing your feelings!

I do not vote for representatives to blubber in public! It’s the legacy of the Diana Derangement Outbreak, when Blair did his ‘The People’s
Princess’ routine.

I was shocked and dismayed then and even more repelled now.

I was nauseated too, at the Dianafest.I realised then that there was something fundamentally wrong with the British people. I should have paid more attention.

In fairness, the great unwashed didn’t have a hope in hell against the media. I forgot. My first real experience of mass hysteria. I was embarrassed at a nation, my nation. Now I know for sure what the Queen’s tears are for every 11th November. She knows we’re fucked, whether she dissolves this bollocks or not. Perhaps we really do reap what we sow.

Jesus wept.

Yet more of Nicola’s “anything you can do I can do better”

Yes, Bart, she’s on a roll and becomes more dictatorial by the day.

https://stephendaisley.com/2020/12/02/queen-nicola/

There seems to be a lot of tension in the air right now, more so than previously during this shitshow.

I just can’t abide it when people actually laugh about what is going on. As though it’s just a piffling little thing and it’s all a jolly jape.

As I’ve said before, they think the pain is just for people like me. But it’s a case of me today, you tomorrow. And they just don’t get it.

But I have a laugh – at the absurdity of it all. Humour is a powerful weapon against hubris, and stupidity. That’s different to having a dismissive laugh about it all though.

I do sense a definite tension in the air though, or at least a different sort of tension – as if people are feeling lost and are concerned about it. Maybe it’s just me reading too much into things.

Indeed, I take the piss out of it all the time. But this joker was laughing at my comments which were perfectly valid. I think I have the right to kick-back at idiots like this. And I don’t think he was in the least bit “lost” and he certainly wasn’t “concerned”. This is the same tosser who told me that I would have to work harder to get back lost trade, ha ha.

That last comment about getting back lost trade is not nice.

When I eventually get around to my necessary Cambridge visit from down here in faraway Devon I will call in at your cafe!(If that’s ok with you of course.)

Of course it is.

Just don’t ask ‘how are things?’

I know exactly how you feel. I’ve had friends and family laugh patronisingly at me when I’ve tried to raise the bar above their MSM controlled thinking. It makes me just want to howl at the moon sometimes.

Don’t worry about lost trade kh, think big. Open up a nationwide chain of ‘Freedom’ coffee shops and you will soon have more trade than you know what to do with. Hell, in a few months time you will be so rich you will be able to afford to buy shares in Pfizer!!

Hell, in a few months time you will be so rich you will be able to afford to buy shares in Pfizer!!

That is extremely funny.

Calling him a tosser is far too polite!

I laughed out loud at the cretinous rules in our library. The nappied librarians were shocked. I think I was close to getting a ban. (There was nobody else in the library apart from me and the Nappy Twins.)

No sure I agree. It is indeed a dystopian shitfest – but some, including me, respond via humour.

Keeps spirits up, enables ridicule of the bad guys, and is very healthy.

(Catch me asking ‘How are you ?’ anytime soon, kh. I’d be too terrified ! ).

Fawlty? Is that you?

Mock all you like … But I am facing, potentially, the collapse of my business. I don’t find it funny and I don’t find idiots who find my plight funny, funny either. To my regulars I am courteous and kind.

I’m not mocking you and I don’t find your plight funny.
Just found your Basil Fawlty-esque moment amusing and made the joke.
Chill out. We’re all living through. strained times and a bit of humour doesn’t hurt, but if you took offence, apologies.

Thank you. I don’t really have an awful lot to “chill out” about at the moment though.

From everything that you’ve posted on here I can feel it in my bones that you are going to get through, and actually prosper.

Please don’t troll people unless you are a fucking 12 year old. The fact that’s somebody is fighting daily to keep his livelihood is not a laughing matter. Unless I can come to your house, burn it down and then say to you : Hey lighten up, it’s not that bad,. You can buy a new one! Are you laughing yet ?

Everyone chill out. It was joke.

In the handy print-out-or-save-on-your-phone-to-use-as-guidance Scottish government pamphlet on pandemic etiquette (a fine use of Scottish taxpayer’s money for sure), I noted that most of the cartoon-ish characters had dark skin.

Which is interesting considering that around 84% of Scots are white.

In the pamphlet there are only two “white skinned” characters. The “woman” working the checkout and the “woman” doing the virtual hug.

God, it is revolting.

In some Covid adverts I saw the other day, the impetuous people always wanting to break the rules were light-skinned, while the responsible ones who observe the rules (and politely remind the impetuous ones about this) were dark skinned. It echoed the famous Gillette anti-masculinity (and anti-light skin) advert.

It’s not hard to understand the decision in Scotland to minimise the visual significance of white people.

Here’s the Cabinet Secretary of Justice in Scotland, Humza Yousaf, spit venom at the fact that in a country where 88% of the population is white, many public sector roles are held by white people.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ikOlqqdGZBU&ab_channel=NordicWarrior

Of course, in his father’s homeland of Pakistan, or his mother’s homeland of Kenya, the facts show public roles are demonstrably more diverse than in racist Scotland, a country that only gives top jobs such as Cabinet Secretary for Justice to white men.

I refuse to use the terms ‘white’ and ‘black’ because I think a bait-and-switch (or is it motte-and-bailey) is in operation. Sure, the words are ostensibly simple, literal descriptions of skin colour and used by many innocent people in that way. But the words have a dual meaning, being used to denote fundamental difference, a systematic power imbalance, etc. The aim is to keep people divided.

Nobody has a wholly white skin. Nobody has a wholly black skin.

Indeed. But if we acknowledge that but still use the terms ‘white’ and ‘black’, what do we mean by those words? I suggest it means we think there is some sort of permanent, inevitable, irreconcilable inequality in operation between two classes of people. It walks straight into the hands of those who wish to perpetuate this idea.

You make a good point. This identity political evil should be rejected fundamentally and linguistically.

When BLM started I was baffled as to why the anti-racist “industry” wasn’t furious at the very idea of a “black life”. But no-one seemed bothered.

The latest movie about county lines dealing called ‘county lines’.. the county lines dealer and his crew are white. They are rarely white. Most are black, some asian.

I’ve heard not a few are from eastern europe mind.

I’m so glad you pointed this out. I was talking about this the other day.
Apparently Scotland is more than 90% white, which means that ofcourse it must need some DIEversity. The same way that the middle East ‘needed’ freeing by the west, it’ll go the same way; civil war.

Then again that is the plan behind all Marxist regimes. Make no doubt about it, Scotland appears to be far-left but the Scots are not. Years of poor education, Marxist indoctrination, and a radical communism loving party has led to this.

Humza is a tit. The same with all so called BAME politicians, all they have and all they offer is a huge chip on their shoulder that we all have to eat whenever they so choose.

Funnily enough the word ‘diversity’ means to divide and what’s the famous saying; United we stand….

Yes the wonderful jobs Priti Patel and Dishy Rishi are doing.

All of the visuals in these pamphlets are very childish, SNP really do treat us like children, they seem to want to take over parenting and be the parents.

Very sinister IMO.

Nicola Sturgeon refers to herself as “Scotland’s chief mammy”. A childless former solicitor who views Scotland as a cabal of children over whom she is installed as their chief corporate parent.

Want proof? From the horse’s mouth, so to speak:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qeoNCP98ASI&ab_channel=BeReasonableScotland

She has about as much maternal feeling as Mrs Trunchball!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P0h9oQu5tU8

The males are interesting …. one is making the revolting ‘heart shape’ emoticon, the other is also feminised in his body language.

And the 2 females (can I still say that?) are gawping at their phones; all perfectly normal.

https://www.theequianoproject.com/equiano-project-statement

The Equiano Project is worth checking out. ‘We are a wide range of people taking a stand against the divisive obsession with people’s racial identity.’ It is partners with The Institute of Ideas and with the Free Speech Union and is affiliated with dontdivideus.com

They look odd, more like aliens.

And the men look like soy boys.

clearly this was done a few months ago when all the native scots had been out in the sun and got their normal sun tans.
oh wait a mo… scots in the sun start white, then go blue and then go red . so maybe i got it wrong

Skin colour aside, Carl Vernon absolutely rips the piss out of this vomit-inducing propaganda fest, on his YT channel.

It’s like those Nork Korean propaganda poster, the only difference is that these are shit and not well designed .

At least the North Korean ones show proper human beings, these ones don’t

That is repulsive, does it contain a special hand sign for a cockroach hiding under a stone?

We are 99.9% white where I live, but a new Aldi branch sent every local household a flyer which showed 4 photos of ethnic people and 2 photos of white people!

Oh dear!

Plus ‘ponytails’ mask is below her nose

Unhelpful use of language in today’s update from the writer and from Mark Harper

Talking about masks stopping the spread of the virus

Covid deaths

Getting back to normal once you’ve been vaccinated

I think it requires considerable effort to think, speak and write completely free of the ridiculous narrative that’s been pushed. The power of propaganda.

So the CRG ask how freedoms OF THOSE WHO ARE VACCINATED
will be restored. Therefore, no vaccination no freedom. So much for a ‘recovery’ group, that is creating a new lower class.

Ciu bono ?
This from Off Guardian
7th Dec. The Past Lives On
Edward Curtin

What is never discussed is the March 2020 bail out of the banks by the government.

Remember that? Remember how the government gave the banks billions with the instruction to then “lend” that taxpayer-funded bailout back to the taxpayers? Remember how the banks then often choose to instead offer loan packages not backed by taxpayer money, secured loans at high rates of interest?

What happened to those billions? Are they nestling in the same cupboard as the 25.000 laptops the Scottish Government said it had purchased for disadvantaged school kids?

From sept 2019 to January 2020 the us Repo market was bailed out to the tune of 6 Trillion dollars. Hope this scam wasn’t invented to save the wankers again sorry meant to say bankers.

It turns my stomach every time I come here that when I flick down the page I come across those 2 moronic imbeciles kneeling on the carpet for their photo op.

Truly galling stuff, sick making.

And those revolting legs in the bed…

Yes I would like a change of image there – it’s got stale.

I agree. Could be multiracial and/or heterosexual for a change.

If you have Adblock Plus installed in your web browser, you can right-click on the image and select “Block element”. That will prevent the image from ever being shown again.

Masks until 2022. Of course, the dickheads who have granted the lucrative contracts to their mates have to sell the bloody things to get even richer.

Too good an opportunity!

It’s a scam!

They should just tell us how many vaccines the pharmas need to have sold before we can be set free. Just tell us the ransom amount.

BBC R4 Today Programme is saying that ports are blocked up because of pre Brexit stockpiling. No mention of the reported 11k containers full of PPE with nowhere to go.

They could turn the Nightingales into useful PPE warehouses.

This shower are to science what priests fiddling with boys are to religion.

I’ve just heard a nauseating advert on ClassicFM. It imagines a woman going through a Christmas checklist in her head and then it becomes apparent that she is on her own. However, she won’t be entirely alone because she can reach out to her family via music requests on ClassicFM.

I really cannot understand the mindset of someone who would see this as a substitute for being with someone they love at Christmas. And for all those people saying that there’ll always be “next Christmas”. How do you bloody know? Sad to say that none of us know what is round the corner for any of us. Just see your families/friends. You, or they may not have a tomorrow or a next Christmas, because shit happens.

Sorry for the misery-fest but that advert really annoyed and upset me (in fact, it made me cry). And as someone who will never get another Christmas with my mum, the thought that others are willingly not seeing people they love, really hacks me off.

And the stupid adverts from the National Lottery – a scratch card the ultimate present. Why give a relative something that is almost certainly worth nothing at all.

That channel hacks me off at the best of times with its constant, witless insistence on being “relaxing”. “Time for Relaxing Classics at 8 [or 9, 10, 11, 12, 1, 2 … etc.]”. It’s a wonder more people aren’t falling asleep at the wheel and driving into walls. What about “Exciting Classics”? “Powerful Classics”? “Classics that turn your emotions upside down and make you feel things you didn’t know you could”? But no, apparently the only good classical music is the soporific kind – preferably the same hundred pieces that Classic FM has since its inception (when its main presenter was Henry Kelly, memorably celebrated by the Irish Times as “the thinking man’s idiot”) been playing in varying order for its “Top 100 Relaxing Classics of the Year”.

Anyway, I’ll give the request thing a shot. “This request comes to us from NorthumbrianNomad, who says he’s wishing his mother “as pleasant a Christmas as possible in the criminally ridiculous circumstances” and wants us to play a piece that really sums up the unforgettable lockdown experience of 2020. György Ligeti’s Poème Symphonique.

I just listen to the music, and it’s introduced me to some composers I would not have discovered otherwise. I ignore the inane witterings of the presenters.

Fair enough! I was just being generally snotty and snobbish, definitely not personally.

Good one! I wonder how the syruppy-voiced Minhall would describe that piece. Yuk. Her presentation really grates with me – but then so do others’ on the odd occasions I hear Classic FM. And I hate the way they tell me what to think of the music and the performance. I’ll be my own judge thank you – eff off!
I tend to stick with Radio 3, though there are irritants enough there too. At least it speaks to me as an intelligent human being.

I often listen to Classic FM between 6.05pm and 7, while I’m cooking and eating so I’m not looking for anything too heavy musically. I never listen after 7 when they go into their “sit back, relax and unwind” phase of slow and quiet pieces. Personally I don’t use the word “unwind” with that meaning. I think Classic FM imagines their typical listener to be a senior white-collar worker who’s had a hard day of boring meetings, then drives home in his big car via the M25 while listening to the “Drive” programme as they call it, and once home wants to slump in an armchair. Not sure how it works if they’ve been “working from home” all day.

There’s a good story about presenter John Suchet, who fancies himself as an authority on Beethoven. He once read a music-related quote from Alfred Einstein, then said “I think they meant Albert Einstein”. They meant no such thing; Alfred Einstein was a well-known musicologist, though apparently not to Suchet, who may have been confused by the fact that Albert played the violin. The two Einsteins were not related, or possibly distantly so.

I vividly remember Henry Kelly coming in all smooth voiced after the 847th broadcast of a movement from Vivaldi’s Four Seasons and saying, “That was Corelli”. There you are, you see? Thinking man’s idiot. He’d heard of Corelli, was thinking about Corelli, said Corelli. Might as well have said “That was Ronaldinho.”

I stopped listening a while ago so I can’t comment on Suchet but I can HEAR him saying that “I think they mean Albert”. I wouldn’t have the gall. There is no hole in the ground big enough that I could hide in it if I said that on national radio.

Brilliant idea. If everyone did something like that, it would send a great political message.

And that is really sad, knowing you will never spend another Christmas with the elderly members of the family. as you grow old you realise time is running out and all you want to do is live what is left, but these b’stards have stolen what time we have left.

Only if you grovel and obey.

It takes two to tango, so both parties have to be on board.

Radio Swiss Classic (online) much better music and no ads.

http://www.radioswissclassic.ch/en

Thanks.

Thanks also.

Agree of course.
But I have to admit that tine was when Christmas without the mother-in-law would have been bliss.
That’s probably the sort of thinking behind a lot of the hypocritical virtue-signalling.

Being lonely and isolated is excruciating. It shortens lives. Do you remember how loneliness was taken up by the government as a project a while back? After research came out which showed many older people did not speak to another person for weeks. Well what happened to that. How fickle the media is. After a flurry of interest it was gone.

Fast forward to today and it’s gone to another level with people old dying alone at home afraid or lacking the energy to call for help.

Exactly. But, as we all know, all these ‘initiatives’ are just empty words.

Exactly. As the Good Lord says, “no one knows the day or the hour” people could get run over by a bus tomorrow or get a nasty injury from a botched DIY job. Hence why we should make the most out of life while we can and I get really frustrated with people who don’t want to meet up to “keep me safe” and “there’s always next year.” What part of no there might not be do they not understand?

As for Classic FM, have boycotted them since their adverts about the NHS since April. Have been listening to Radio Swiss Classic as recommended by someone here.

I’ll give Radio Swiss Classic a go, thanks Bart.

Once you listen to them there’s no turning back.

Not sure why you got a downtick. Just upticked, to get to zero …

yes swiss classic is good – i don’t believe it’s on your DAB/FM radio though – i access via internet browser.

I stopped listening to Classic FM because of toxic sh*t like this

And I’ll be doing the same!

Today both Jonathan Sumption and “yours truly” celebrate our 72nd birthdays and of course, we are both sceptics but that’s where the similarity ends.
When this nightmare ends (IT WILL)
Jonathan Sumption will earn his place in history as one of the heroes of our struggle.
Happy birthday, Jonathan.

Hear, hear. Is there an address where we can send him an e-card! Or a real one, cone to that?
Happy Birthday to you, too, F.P.!

Many thanks, Annie.
I’m sure that one of our fellow sceptics will know or find out a way to contact JS.

Happy birthday both! He certainly will be.

Ta.
KEEP THE FAITH!!!X 72 TIMES.

Sincerest felicitations, to you both!

Thank you.

I assume this is lord sumption – i heard yesterday that he is fully in favour of the vaccine – you may want to verify this. So he may not be such a hero.
But a very happy birthday to you both.

Possible to be in favour of any vaccine – as long as it’s strictly voluntary.

Of course.

Thank you, Sue.

“ so we therefore monitor the impact of the vaccine on reducing cases, reducing hospitalisations and reducing the number of people who sadly die from this disease”

I know it’s completely unimportant compared to the main issues here, but I just shot another “sadly died”. What a fucking disingenuous posturing moron Hancock is. If you want to know if a word is superfluous, try replacing it with its opposite and see if the sentence makes sense: “reducing the number of people who happily die from this disease”. OK. Fairly clear.

The sentence “I scan the news every day to find out if Matt Hancock has been sadly shot”, on the other hand, is valid. Because I would happily shoot him. (Not really, GCHQ, it’s not hate speech, it’s a different thing called “rhetoric”. The sort of thing secretaries of state used to be quite good at.)

That’s just made me chuckle. Thankyou for that.

Shame he doesn’t do that for the rest of the 1600 who die, on average, each day in the UK, around 600,000 a year (or around 3,000,000 in the USA per year).

DavidC

This was posted on the site yesterday but it bears repeating.

Hancock tweeted: ‘When the NHS contacts you for a vaccine … please step froward for your country’. The comments are choice and will cheer you up.

https://twitter.com/MattHancock/status/1336355293995933697

Mad Wankok can go jump off a tall building.

Listening to music on free spotify I have to put up with nauseating Covid adverts, in fact there are so few other adverts that I wonder if it is only Covid advert money that is keeping free spotify going at the moment?
But anyway, the latest pseudo science in these ads is that now we are indoors more we should open all the windows to let fresh air blow the covid away! I gather this idea has taken hold in schools and some children are being taught wearing their coats and hats with the windows wide open so as to blow the covid away!

Miasma: “I’ll be back!”

Fair is foul, and foul is fair
Hover through the fog and filthy air.

Apparently that’s partly how they have managed to spaff £13bn on track and trace, and gain effective control of the MSM, massive advertising campaign, importantly, all at full price, the media are loving it…

Preparation for fuel shortages.

The vaccine works, so wear a mask
The vaccine doesn’t work, so wear a mask.
Immunity works, so wear a mask and get a vaccine.
Immunity doesn’t work, so wear a mask and get a vaccine.

Bit like man-made climate change. Everything attributed to a one trick pony.

It is a load of pony!

More of the same old, same old that its become a broken record.

The mask turns you into an abject slave.
We love that.
The vaccine makes us money.
We love that.
You are our fodder.
We devour you.
We love that.

All lie down like corn before the scythe.
They love to see us writhe.

Writing to MP is not a total waste of time

Liberty 2019 has started a campaign to demand that MPs commit to returning ALL our civil liberties. On liberty2019.org the names of all MPs are displayed on two lists. Those who support returning all our civil liberties and those who don’t. All MPs started in the “don’t support” list.

Thanks to people writing in, MPs have started to write back saying they do support a full return of freedoms and to please be taken off the “don’t support” list. It’s still a trickle but it’s only been two days.

The website has a standard text that can be copied and pasted.

Please help us writing to your MP – many of them don’t want to be seen as standing against our freedoms, but they need to be unambiguous about it and feel as much public pressure as possible.

Freedom, like, when?

Good question. Step 1. Get them to agree on the principle. Step 2. Argue the timeline.

As things stand right now, the risk of never returning to where we were pre-crisis in terms of civil liberties seems rather big.

Better late than never Liberty…….

Not sure Liberty2019 is anything to do with Liberty ? I could be wrong though …

MPs have started to write back saying they do support a full return of freedoms and to please be taken off the “don’t support” list.

Huge difference in supporting something and voting for something.

MPs, the military, civil servants, the media, celebrities, the police are in the employ of the World Economic Forum and the Pharma, Gates, tech, banking buddies it represents

There is no United Kingdom anymore. It is occupied

Someone needs to check this out.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EovX6-ZXMAMRr_p?format=jpg&name=large

I can’t bring myself to watch the news channels (or most TV for that matter).

There don’t appear to have been the usual interviews with gushing sons, daughters, or grandkids, of Mrs Keenan?

What I also found strange was this: https://westbridgfordwire.com/family-of-first-covid-vaccine-patient-margaret-keenan-issue-statement/

Her family would like to thank wellwishers for their support and request that Margaret’s privacy is respected from now on.

The family of Margaret Keenan said:“We are tremendously proud of our mum and granny for stepping forward to receive the first COVID vaccine.“The interest and well wishes we have received today as a family have been overwhelming. We would like to thank May Parsons and the whole team at the hospital for the care they have provided in recent days and of course to everyone involved in developing the lifesaving jab that our mum and granny was given this morning.”

No family named! Why would they ask for her privacy to be respected? She’s the most famous person on the planet!

Are Channel 4 publishing the truth?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4fo3kISZAmo

No, I watched it right through. There were moments of scepticism but overall I think it sits on the fence about whether lockdowns are justified.

It was cold in my neck of the woods yesterday. Clouds of condensation emerged from the masked commuters on the train platform. I had a warm fuzzy feeling. We’re all doing our bit to protect each other. Apart from unmasked granny killers, like me.

Droplets drop.
You go pop.
You sadlidie.
‘Twas no fault of I.
I wore my nappy.
I am quite happy.

When are the dead going to put two and two together when they see their steamy breath coming out through their stupid face nappies and out from all around the edged, then watch as their covid laden breath drifts right down the platform, all the way to the end….when will they have a moment of clarity and think…hang on a sec…….why am I wearing this fucking thing?
It’s beyond me. Crazy brainwashed bastards

Maybe it would help if it was green like in the advert.

I did hear that a side-effect of the vaccine is to turn one’s exhalations green …

Open a window; you’ll be fine.

… see their steamy breath coming out through their stupid face nappies…

when will they have a moment of clarity and think…hang on a sec…….why am I wearing this fucking thing?

I asked exactly this on here the other day.

wow…subliminals….

Mike Yeadon to Patrick Vallance re masks. Worth a read.

”From the Telegraph:“We may be wearing masks for a year, despite the V-Day ‘watershed moment’Sir Patrick Vallance: ‘We don’t know yet how good all the vaccines are going to be at preventing the transmission of coronavirus’.Patrick: it doesn’t matter. You’ve seen the data……from the vaccine 1st interim analysis (please don’t insult those of us familiar with reading public summaries of trial protocols at http://clinicaltrials.com ), not “the results”, which will be along in 2023…stunning, with over 90% reduction in infections! Oh, hold on, no… (Source: https://threader.app/thread/1336458453242552326 )”

Mike Yeadon on the vaccine and fertility.

“No evidence Pfizer Covid-19 vaccine affects women’s fertility – Full Fact“This claim has no basis. The spike protein on the Covid-19 virus and a protein that makes up the placenta have only a small amount in common, almost certainly not enough… https://fullfact.org/health/vaccine-covid-fertility/ …… for the immune system to attack the placenta.”Well, that is reassuring. “…almost certainly not…” sounds good.I never thought it ‘likely”. Instead I am concerned it ‘might, in some people’. Rare events are what I had in mind. I’d have preferred a more categoric reply. (Source: https://threader.app/thread/1336533650062651393 )”

And when people confidently declare that “there is no evidence…” of something we should assume that what they mean is that no one has looked for such evidence.

NEVER GONNA WEAR A MASK

Yep, my rage is building, I’m not angry anymore.

Good, I don’t wear mine…EVER!!

Never have done, never will. No matter how lonely it gets, no matter the number of challenges.

Got an awkward DIY job coming up, in an enclosed space with stuff you really don’t want to be breathing in. I may have to wear a mask to get it done. I don’t know if it would be selling out though and I should just take my chances.

I grant you an authorised task-specific exemption to wear a mask!

(That’ll be £19.99 please. Cash welcome.).

No, wear the mask. There’s a huge difference in breathing in shit that actually exists (all that dust and stuff) and crap that doesn’t (fake virus).

Anyway, you can see the virus; it’s like a green mist, according to the adverts.

https://www.theguardian.com/global-development/2020/dec/09/covid-used-as-pretext-to-curtail-civil-rights-around-the-world-finds-report

At first glance, it looks like the Grauniad is catching up with reality, however, the only European countries they call out as having reducing civil rights are the usual hate suspects of the so called left – Hungary, Poland, Slovenia and Serbia.

No comment about the rest of Europe where governments imposed fascism by decree.

So Vallance openly states it will be sometime before they know the effects the vaccine has on transmission rates and lowering cases. Since when did you take a vaccine or drug and get told we will have to wait and see if it works. Translated the public are being used to trial the vaccine – experimental drug trial on a whole population, isn’t there a law against this?

And wait and see if it kills or in the case of women sterilises

“it will be sometime before they know the effects the vaccine has on transmission rates and lowering cases and side effects “

To my knowledge no one has yet explained why vaccine developers/producers feel the need to be legally immune from any defects in their products? Also there was an article explaining that the WHO position is that any side effect that occurs after a vaccine is licensed cannot be attributed to the vaccine!

Would you buy a car from a manufacturer who demanded immunity from prosecution for faults in design and/or production?

WHO position is that any side effect that occurs after a vaccine is licensed cannot be attributed to the vaccine

That is scary

Reference:

https://www.bmj.com/content/365/bmj.l2268/rr-0

Because Pharma exists to make profits. People can’t understand that pharma couldn’t care less about humanity, as long as it can profit from it

NEVER GONNA TAKE THE VACCINE

They’d have to hold me down!

That’s all that needs saying, Biker!

. . .
Never gonna hold you down
Then hurt you
(Honest)

© Prick Nastily / Hancock Media 2020

Recently I watched the Snowden film,with mixed feelings, but one line did hold my attention: at a secret site in Hawaii, a colleague of Snowden’s said this:’Most Americans are more interested in safety than freedom’.

This seems particularly pertinent ,given the UK’s widespread compliance with government by decree, inconsistent and irrational restrictions on the freedoms which hitherto have been taken for granted, the project fear which treats death as an outrage and an encouragement of mindless emotional incontinence by the establishment.

I don’t think it’s safety but more “Most British people are more interested in reducing hassle than freedom”.

There are a lot of people who were impacted by the Financial Crisis over 10 years ago, and as such changed their lifestyles. They still have that feeling of just “getting through”.

The problem however is that a lot of these people didn’t start businesses and take risks only to see all that destroyed by imcompetence and the church of the Theoretical.

So the “minimal hassle” people have been the “muddle through” types for many years and wil just get on with it until it changes again. Only a real crisis will affect them

People have been brutalised. They don’t know what makes life worth living anymore. Consequently, they have nothing to fight for. Who’d sacrifice their life and what little comfort they have to retain the right to watch TV? That’s what it’s all boiled down to, ultimately.

One man I’ve never voted for and who has £600,000 worth of pharma shares decides to ban my right to breathe fresh air

How is this not fascism?

Well said mate….

It’s not fascism because The Guardian agrees with him. Also, academics. Social workers. Teachers. You know, the good people. People like us.

This from Robert Peston. Better late than never.

Covid: Did Boris Johnson order England’s coronavirus lockdown based on false data?
https://www.itv.com/news/2020-12-08/covid-did-boris-johnson-order-englands-coronavirus-lockdown-based-on-false-data

What the rest of us have been saying for ten months

They will all come round in the end – the data is the data and will speak for itself. Just how much damage we do to society first is the problem

Did he?
Does the sun rise in the east?

Facebook censors Wimborne Militia (a Civil War reenactment group) believing them to be right wing militia. Perhaps you should have fact checked FB!

https://www.complaintsdepartment.co.uk/news/2020-12-wimborne-militia-in-facebook-battle-after-accounts-disabled/

Muskets at the ready!

I’d rather bayonets and clubbed muskets!

The Sealed Knot are next

This sentence from last night’s Spectator email stood out for me.

”There were 12,282 further cases and 616 deaths involving coronavirus recorded in the past 24 hours.”

Notice it says that there was 616 deaths involving coronavirus, not from. I would say that there are few from the virus alone. Of the remainder how many were actually tested for the virus? Very selective on how the facts are used and disingenuous for politicians to rely on such badly presented statistics.

Currently there are approximately nine deaths per day in London from the virus, but more suicides as a result of the measures. The government are now threatening to put London into Tier 3. Why, because Haringey has seen an increase in cases which stand out. If one looks more closely one finds that in Enfield which is in that borough they are rolling out mobile virus testing units…hence the increase. On no account should London be put into Tier 3 restrictions as a result of what is happening in one area. Businesses which have played a large part in adapting to the regulations should not be clobbered again, the public will not tolerate restrictions again and we must do our best to see that our MPs do not support further restrictions.

There are more daily deaths in Northern Ireland at the minute than there is in London. Pop about 2m

I was really pleased to see that Kay Burley, along with her partners in crime such as Beth Rigby, have broken the “rules”

They are part of a long list of offenders, Ferguson, Cummings, Calderwood, Kinnock, Jenrick etc, who interpreted the rules rather loosely when it suited them and were forced to defend themselves.

These are people with “insider information”. It confirms to me that they all know that this is a load of old cobblers. We, on here, knew that all along of course.

Big time. 100 year Pandemics DO NOT LOOK LIKE THIS

There have been examples in other countries, like the Hungarian Euro MP being caught partaking in some sort of gay orgy in a Brussels flat with 20 other people. Unless all these people are suicidal, which I very much doubt, they know there is a lot of BS going on.

Being a gay euro MP from Hungary is not quite suicidal, but sounds like a very bad idea.

So many have broken the rules – SNP politicians, Jeremy Corbyn, Tony Blair, Gary Lineker, Neil Ferguson, Boris Johnson’s father..

Would be nice to see a photo montage of them all together

I think that the masks are a contributory cause based on the Danish study that even the surgical ones are of little value, and bearing in mind those in the study were probably told how to use them. It is a matter of control. They don’t really give a toss if they are effective, and common sense tells you that going around with a sort of bag over your face impairs your breathing and therefore your health. I am also sure it damages the economy because people refuse to go buy stuff if they have to submit to this fascist requirement. As for Witless and Unbalanced, I won’t say what they deserve as enemies of the people, decency and civilisation, since I am sure the Five Eyes are monitoring what is posted on this blog.

There was a study (Probably now removed by the Gastapo) that showed the use of face masks by surgeons in an operating theatre no less, has little impact to the level of infection found on patients. In fact it found that there was a decrease (But statistically non-significant reduction) in infections where no face masks were used during operations.

This could what you are thinking of https://www.medpagetoday.com/infectiousdisease/infectioncontrol/16278

I have been avoiding our small rural town precisely because of face masks, but thought I would venture in yesterday to see how the land was lying, so to speak. Well in 5 months, the body snatches certainly have taken over – 80% of people outside in the main thoroughfare masked. Aggressive signs outside what were once quaint shops selling ‘nice things” stating ‘no mask no entry’, These shops must be on a close edge to closing, yet seek to abuse potential customers with such signage.
Well, will not be returning in the near future.

Looks like they have a death wish so let’s give it to them by boycotting their establishments.

They will have no-one but themselves to blame when they go bust.

I agree. I just don’t understand it. Nothing makes sense anymore. I do all my shopping online and will not give these shops or restaurants/pubs my business, even if things return to (real) normal. To hell with them. They need to resist or things will never change.

A friend and I distributed copies of ‘The Light’ free newspaper to local businesses last month and we focused on small independent outlets. The majority were receptive to the publication which is anti-lockdown and publishes articles supporting the contention that the true demonstrable science and statistics do not uphold the pandemic narrative. But we were dismayed at the number of business owners who were aggressive and basically sent us packing without even wanting to look at the paper.

Very much my experience in Shropshire. I used to like the quaint shops too but never realised how hostile and sanctimonious the owners were. They have alienated me for good. I dont like big business and amazon either so there is no escape really. The small shops really dont seem to care about losing customers so why should I care about losing them when they go out of business.

I’m sorry that it’s in the Guardian but this is an excellent article on one of the ways in which people have suffered due to lockdown that I haven’t really seen covered: https://www.theguardian.com/lifeandstyle/2020/dec/08/it-feels-like-a-lost-year-the-women-who-fear-2020-has-stolen-their-chance-of-motherhood
Are people finally waking up to the fact that covid restrictions (the article does start using that term but then slips back to covid ) are causing untold heartache and devastation? Comments turned off for some reason so hard to say. Really appreciate that it focuses on “women” too rather than “birthing people” so perhaps it was the trans activists who got the comments turned off!

The Guardian is famous for switching off and deleting comments, hence the creation of Off-Guardian

WTF! BOB the cartoon maestro not nominated for this year’s IngSoc award? yet another disgrace.

Who the fuck is this Vallance prick to tell me i need to cover my fucking face? Who are these fucking people? Fuck them i won’t do what they tell me. The virus that kills people who’ve lived longer than the average life span ain’t no fucking threat to me and this idea i’m responsible for passing on a virus is anti human and totally unrealistic to expect.. These clowns need to wind it in soon before they have to face retribution

Well said.

Yes, who are these fucking people?

Will Jones (above): Begs the question: At what point will the scientific and medical advisers recognise that it is more important to let people get on with their lives and jobs?

Actually, the question is: Why is an advisor to the Government being given a platform to dictate directly to the public what the policy is going to be for the next year? If this was really about a virus, how could they possibly know the course of the disease at this point?

We know of course. . . . . .

MW

Advisers should not be able to address the public directly. That’s not a restriction on their free speech, it’s a recognition that their appointed role is to advise the government, who should (if they were doing their job properly, which they aren’t) take stock of all the advice from various sources and then make an informed decision. It’s not in the remit of advisers to manipulate public opinion.

Quite right. These criminals are put up to give press-conferences now as if they are running the show. MW

It’s a point they themselves make when they appear in front of the committees. They tell Clark and Hunt that it is not for them (the experts) to tell the people what to do, that’s it’s the Governments job; they (the experts) then go on to do the exact opposite.

It is now broadly accepted that the BBC has become the State Broadcaster, mindlessly regurgitating the ‘approved’ message. I’ve lost count of how many times they’ve used ‘of’ instead of ‘with’ when referring to Covid mortalities. Hanlon’s Razor can only stretch so far. We all know Ofcom ordered censorship but at the very least the BBC should make it clear that it is broadcasting under Ofcom restrictions.

My question is that since the BBC has lost all editorial independence should it continue to be directly funded from non voluntary license fees paid by the very people it is deceiving?

In 16th century Venice the Jews were forced to live in a segregated area and pay for the guards that kept them there. Are we now being forced to fund our own brainwashing?

I do wonder with the BLM Vicar of Dibley business, (at Christmas, of all times) if someone from our side has somehow sneaked into the Beeb as an agent provocateur.

“ Are we now being forced to fund our own brainwashing?”

Yes, obviously, but it isn’t anything new.

Those who think it is simply didn’t notice or weren’t bothered by the brainwashing that went on for the past half century and more, just as the majority of the coronapanic dupes don’t think they are being brainwashed because they think the coronapanic hype is genuine public spirited information dissemination.

Now start to think about the topics covered by the brainwashing over the past few decades – you can reasonably sum them up as “political correctness”. Of course most people simply assumed, just as the coronapanickers do now, that their brainwashing on those topics was public spirited information dissemination, and general “goodthink” stuff.

Now contemplate just how removed from reality the coronapanickers are as a result of their brainwashing. That’s how removed from reality the mainstream received opinions are on the political correctness topics, generally.

It’s going to take some untangling, but the first step would be to defund the BBC. If only we’d done it 50 years ago!

“A life lived in fear is a life half lived” … Baz Luhrmann

FACT – The Government has never cared about granny
.

at A&E they refused to open the door to my Mrs when she presented herself having gone deaf in one ear with blood coming out of it. She’s 52, not exactly a spring chicken and has paid her fucking NI for 46 years and yet now she’s told to fuck off we’re not interested. I despise the NHS more than Myra Hindley

I said this yesterday, but I will repeat it, the NHS is now the Notional Health Service not the National Health Service, the latter is deader than Nye Bevan.

Very long read, with alarming predictions, are you prepared for you and your family if the food chain breaks down.

https://goldseek.com/article/welcome-global-gulag-part-2-fight-back

Retired German economist Ernst Wolff warned about this in March. His interview here has proved to be very insightful.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8LYjOEib9iI&feature=youtu.be

I watched the first thirty seconds… OH MY GOD!!!

This and the ‘Crimes Against Humanity’ video by Reiner Fuellmich come closest to the truth

In January we will have ‘total all cause mortality for 2020’ for every country. This will open a few eyes to the nonsense we are enduring

a quote from the Sweden/Norway comparison paper above

“ Our study shows that although Covid-19 associated mortality rate was almost 15-fold higher in Sweden than in Norway during the epidemic, all-cause mortality was not higher in Sweden compared with three of the four preceding years.”

Misappropriation is a massive underlying factor.

As is deliberate removal of care for the elderly. That gets brought up a lot by the media doesn’t it?

We already have decent all-cause mortality figures on https://www.euromomo.eu/graphs-and-maps . 12 European countries show either

a) no discernible peak in 2020 vs the background ‘noise’
or
b) no higher a peak than an earlier peak in either 2017, -18 or -19 which weren’t accompanied by house arrest, solitary confinement (single person households) or gestapo stopping your car on the English-Welsh border.

The other countries have higher peaks than the previous three years because some people were susceptible to a relatively new virus but why the f*** aren’t we all told to take high-dose vitamin D autumn to spring in this sunless country? I’ve been taking it since 2018 when I concluded that I’d been deficient all my life. Boosting the immune system is just one of its benefits. Ironically deficiency of it is widespread in southern Europe where people assume wrongly that they get enough sun exposure.

I hope so Steve. What worries me though is that for months the data proving the falsity of so called pandemic has been all over the internet, but the masked zombies don’t seem to be looking/listening.

Perhaps the media will take it up, though I won’t hold my breath.

On Good Morning Britain this morning Piers Morgan assured his viewers that he had researched the vaccine and it is completely safe. He did not say what his research consisted of, but he did add that the regulatory authority would not approve any treatment unless it was safe.

A little earlier, the BBC had on a professor (from Warwick University) who made precisely the same point. He said that he knew the vaccine to be safe because the MHRA had approved it.

Then Michael Gove appeared on BBC Breakfast and he made exactly the same point. He said we know the vaccine is completely safe because the MHRA had assessed it.

Is it not amazing how they all seem to think the same thing at the same time and express it in virtually the same language? The vaccine is safe. We know it is safe because the regulator has said so. Of course, the omit the fact that the regulator deemed it safe because Pfizer told them it is safe.

The entire government response is like watching a slow motion train crash. I just hope people come to their senses before I am forced to have the vaccine

It’s all scripted.

It’s a global script and that is why it is so stupid, so inflexible, so, clumsy, so damaging and destructive, so universal, and so co-ordinated.

If Piers Morgan says it’s safe then it should be avoided.

The bit I liked was his claim that he had researched it.

Probably involved asking ‘Dr Hilary’.

Course he did:

“Is that the MHRA?”
“Yes.”
“Is this shit safe?”
“Yes.”
“Good enough for me.”

They also said the swine flu vaccine was safe, and if soooo safe why the indemnity. They have already stated that impact on fertility is not known due to incomplete studies – any other areas they may have forgotten?
As for MRHA, UK column had an interesting bit about them, they were under investigation in the past for falsifying data regarding the cervical cancer vaccine.

Appeal to authority. We all have to outsource to an extent, but the fact not a single item of airtime is given to a dissenting voice? If the argument is strong why not gave an open discussion and make the hesitant out to be plain wrong and move on?

No. MHRA final world. They care deeply about you.

But the point is the MHRA simply took Pfizer’s word for it. They didn’t conduct any independent assessment. It’s Pfizer’s word we are all supposed to accept.

It’s Pfizer’s word we are all supposed to accept.

While MHRA accept Pfizer’s cash!

I’ve been saying this June but I’m going to repeat it again

The only game in town are the murders in the death camps

We now know that 21,000 infected and potentially infected patients were transferred from hospitals to the death camps in March and April

Officials were warned against carrying out the transfers. Knowing the risks who gave the order to carry out the transfers?

18,500 of those who were transferred perished

How many of the people already resident in the death camps also died as a result of
these transfers

They know the PCR test is duff. They know there will be no more deaths this year than the five yearly average

They know the ‘vaccine’ is an exercise in flim flam

Vallance yesterday extended house arrest until 2022

Knowing all of the above Mandy wept on TV yesterday. That is one very, very dangerous person

They know they have to keep this charade going because if the truth ever emerges they are going to prison for a very long time

I think the chain of command ordering infected into care homes is something we need to get to the bottom of. It happened I think because of Neil Ferguson modelling induced blind panic. But it is unforgiveable. Without those excess deaths this would have looked more like a nothing burger than it already does

Truth will out.
Remember the strutting Nazis of 1940.
Remember the burning corpses outside the bunker.
Remember Nuremberg.
Remember the gallows.

Sadly, it took 13 years to get from Hitler’s chancellorship to Nuremberg. 2033 anyone?

Correct , these zealots are intent on restructuring everything including memory well before 2033.

Yes. It’s impossible now, after all we’ve seen, to not know that we are in a truly Orwellian dystopia, with memory holes, 2+2=5, scapegoats, manufactured divisions, language re-engineering, ultra elites and fucked masses.

Rudolph Steiner posited a future vaccine that would, ‘eliminate the soul with medicine under the pretext of a ‘healthy point of view’.. such that people, thanks to this vaccine will be immune from being subject to the madness of a spiritual life. He would be extremely smart but would not develop a conscience, and that is the true goal of some materialistic circles.

Correct , his disciples are at the helm now.

And an alliance of 4 out of 5 of the Major powers of the world.We need to stop this why we still have time and we don’t have long.

Twatt Handycocks emotional meltdown yesterday was very telling. This guy is genuinely worried, like a little boy lost in the woods. He is clearly unhinged and under huge pressure. He knows it. He know he is the most hated man in the UK, he knows he is a liar. He knows he is responsible for the deaths of 10’s of 1000’s of people. He knows he is responsible for the destruction of the UK.

He knows he is fighting for his life with bullshit.
The bastard.

Hancock is so far out of his depth in other circumstances it would be laughable. Here’s a Health Secretary who stated that Malaria is Infectious. He’s being kept on to be cannon fodder when it all unravels, as is Boris. The real dangerman is Gove who changes sides in a heartbeat and is always ready with the political knife. Boris’s last words may well be ‘et tu Michael’!

ffs – BBC breakfast showing live vaccinations. where is the slow motion action replay? where is prick of the day ?

Prick of the day?
No. 10 Downing Street.

The stupid have lined up first. When they run out of stupid they will plead, shame and even pay people to have the experimental fertility life-shortening sorry covid jab. Then will come the digital id. And no one will buy or sell or go to school or travel unless they have the mark.

They sent a letter to my old dear offering her fifty quid to have a test then another tenner a week for six weeks if she’d test every week, she politely declined their offer, swearing while doing so. I think maybe that’s only the second time in my life i’ve heard her swear, the other time was when she fell down some stairs and broke her leg. At the same time my daughter had a test three days before an operation and they didn’t get the results back and did the operation anyway. It’s a fucking shit show.

Health porn.

Seriously though, why you watching that ***t?

Crazy theory #2622676
All those turkeys culled in Norfolk at one of the biggest farm suppliers. Bird flu. Yeah. Right. Are they deliberatrely trying to cause a turkey shortage for Xmas? Deliberately trying to block Xmas?
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9022913/Flock-30-000-turkeys-culled-bird-flu-outbreak-Norfolk-farm.html

They probably used a PCR test. Work that narrative !

There will be no turkey shortage as all the catering outlets do not need any this year. My company alone in a large market town would have served about 3000 people this December for xmas party nights.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/article-9030943/Four-volunteers-got-Pfizers-vaccine-developed-Bells-palsy.html

This from Daily Mail and in it is claimed that the data to be released this week from Pfizer show this rare side effect. It seems to be extremely rare in flu vaccines.

According to a medscape link the incidence of Bell’s Palsy is 15 to 30 cases per 100k per year, so around 5 to 10 per 100k every 4 months (not sure about length of study before these obs were made).

Since there were only 40k – not 100k – in the study we might expect between 2 and 4 cases so 4 cases is just about in line with general population. However, if all 4 cases were in the vaccinated (not control) group it does suggest a possible link.

https://news.sky.com/story/covid-19-its-all-for-britain-meet-the-first-people-in-the-uk-to-receive-pfizer-biontech-vaccine-outside-a-clinical-trial-12154933

All these people are delighted and excited to be the first people to get the jab. Thrilled that it allows them to start to mix and be normal again. It’s madness!!! maybe when it dawns on them that that time is not going to come we will finally get the media waking up to the scam. I don’t know but this is an angle we need to push on.

Why is Vallance chirping about masks? It’s not his decision. Advisors should shut the hell up and talk to government in private. He’s in the pandemic business. The PM has to go down in history not only as the least competent, the biggest liar and the one who has done the most damage, but also the WEAKEST. Can’t keep his advisors in line.

His is talking it up. Only way to keep people in control.

Anyone wearing a mask is helping them with that

I think his advisors are in line.They push the “science” and then Johnson can claim he is following it.
Vallance and others said at the start the evidence for masks was weak,now they are pushing for the use of them indefinitely.Why?

Wonder if we’ll see daily updates on the numbers vaccinated. I think we will, if the numbers are high, but not if they are low.

They just lie. You’ll never know the real figure. Not one word of truth comes from any of them.

Expect nothing even remotely true coming from MiniTrue. It’s all entirely consistent with PsyOps gaslighting. Or as 77th Brigade would put it: “facts, calling out the misinformation from our enemies in Eurasia Russia”

Yes, it will be interesting, particularly as once ‘a batch’ of vaccine phials is refrigerated it must be used within 5 days. This puts pressure on the vaccination programme co-ordinators to keep to a strict and well-organised schedule. Are they capable? I have my doubts. It will also rely on people turning up for scheduled appointments to avoid supplies being spoiled unless a stand-in guinea pig can be found.

Aw, please don’t! I’d need to open another spreadsheet.

So in the midst of all the propaganda education about the need to remain vigilant and continue to observe all the rules and practise social distancing that filled this mornings air waves, the news presenters told us about Boris Johnson and Von Der Leyen having dinner tonight at her private residence in order to reach a deal. What they did not report was: Boris Johnson and Von Der Leyen (and others) intend to ignore the Covid 19 restrictions of both countries when they meet later today.

Oh this will end well! Got the deal lads! Boris you twat you have signed us up for another 5 years. Well it was going okay then we had some wine, and then she slipped into something more comfortable, and it all gets a bit hazy after that!!!

There are a few earlier posts wondering how/why this is all happening, the answers are complex but here’s a vid worth 25 mins of your time as a partial explanation :-

http://alternativeprinciplesforhealth.info/communist-subversion-a-plan-for-total-world-wide-control-part-1/

PS, lots of good info on this site.

I agree. This whole farce is covering yet another elephant in the room that no media commentator or journalist is prepared to discuss or indeed publish. The citizens of this country truly are being led to the slaughter

Anyone with a significant job in any of the relevant “industries” media, politics, science etc has had to pass the gateway beliefs test, so they are all self selected , self propelled propaganda agents.
For many this is the revolution they’ve been waiting for and they are happy to do their part.
In science, whole careers have been spent building for this crisis and they will milk it for all it’s worth.
At the lower levels of these groups eg GPs, teachers etc there is a total lack of critical analysis, what ever comes across their desks as “all ready verified” by those higher up is accepted as beyond further examination and becomes the standing protocol.
The big problem is that the beliefs these people hold are part of their identity and trying to disassemble that is very difficult when their lives/associations/livelihoods are all tied into it.
Until those outside the reach of the insidious global influence organisations eg WHO are able to gain public recognition we are heading to a bad outcome.

The machinery is impressive

I do wonder if such a machine is inevitable in the world we live? If there is an alternative then I wonder where the line is drawn. We can question the motives of the engineers, but is the machine itself inevitable?

Good pseudonym there!

‘Whatever is cool with me’
That used to be the way i lived life but not anymore. These people have made me angry and they won’t like me when i’m angry. It seems the waves of statism are lapping at feet demanding i dance to their tune. Well i never called the tune so i’m not paying the fuckin Piper.

Had the misfortune to see that vile public propaganda film about keeping windows open where the people are breathing out green air. It really suggests the virus is airborne, meaning almost all attempts to stop it spreading are futile.

Our friends opened the windows in the house and then removed themselves to their beautiful barn with two big heaters. They wanted to prove a point to their children who have really been brainwashed by this stupidity.

See, I’m happy about this. I’ll be going to my in-laws where the heating is always on at surface of the sun levels. A bit of fresh air will relieve the distress!

The ‘green air’ propaganda is quite nasty, and, sadly, very effective. I’ve only seen brief clips on the interweb, and that was quite enough. Fuck SPI-B with a large pole.

I and my husband are in the so called vulnerable group. We have never had a flu vaccine and do not intend to start now. This insistence on all the vulnerable being vaccinated is a brea h of our human right to choice. It seems that people we thought understood how important this is. However, so many are now jounung in the mantra of the need for a vaccine. And why twice!!!!

i am assuming that my husband and I will either be killed by vaccine or by isolation and loneliness. Either way not one person in a position of authority is prepared to stand up for liberty and agency.

I feel the same.

The Reform Party and Farage making noises. Tice getting busy too.

Seems a lot of support below the surface of you ask me. Needs a big win.

I think it’s called the vulnerable group because they’ve been shoved to the front of the vaccine queue.

I am in the same position. My own health was ruined by a BCG jab I was forced to have whilst working for the wonderful (hah hah) NHS. The elderly do NOT respond well to vaccines as their immunity is damaged. Trying to stimulate an ineffective immune system can be catastrophic. We are being used as lab rats. This vaccine does not have approval, only emergency approval. I have written to around 30 MP’s and stated quite clearly that, even with cancer, a hip needing replacement and being quite old I am prepared to fight on the streets if necessary. The only thing they fear is dissent.

this is why sweden ‘seems’ to have done worse than norway

and with a proper y-axis

cant really see a 1 in a 100 year ‘pandemic’

Northern Ireland.

Our NHS has been at breaking point since October

Lol! Brilliant!

DavidC

Nice, Steve. Yeah, it’s a common trick with the MSM.

“These death figures don’t look bad at all, boss.”
“Start the y-axis at 75,000.”
“Oh, wow!” These death figures look awful!”
“You see; send it to print.”

It seems 2019 had a very low mortality figure and 2020 (so far) a higher one, but when combined and averaged out…….

yep totalling each 2 year period, this and the last 2 are indistinguishable

dry tinder effect

Ivor Cummins has been on this since around May. Absolutey astounding ignorance of people to this stuff.

he has been great. I have been trying to share his videos as much as possible. I think the main metrics ‘how many people died this year’ that will come in January for lots of countries might focus minds a bit

Let’s have graphs for quality of life, trashing of human rights and destruction of the economy and see who’s done worst

The Behavioral Insights Team aka The Nudge Unit was established in the Cabinet Office in 2010 by David Cameron’s government to apply behavioural science to public policy. Now owned partly by the Cabinet Office, by Nesta and by employees, it has operations across the world. Nudging us ……….continuously nudging us……..

the nudge unit is also working on the green agenda –
also see this video about green politics in the UK and spot the similarities with covid

UK Column is good on all this sinister stuff..

I’ve started calling all my facebook friends (well 95% of them are just ex-colleagues) faceless brainwashed muppets as many continually call me selfish for ignoring the rules and all of them can’t accept they’ve been fooled. I will continue to insult them until maybe just one of them finally get’s it. I don’t care anymore if I never ever meet them again.

Now who wants to be my friend, now that I’m billy no mates?

We need a badge: “I’m a sceptic. Please hug me.”

Please get me one now!

Me!!!

I’ll be your friend, i too confront the mask wearing lunatics and make them explain themselves. None actually can which makes me laugh like a fucking drain at them

I’d be your your friend, if I used Facebook…..

You just know in years to come they’ll swear they never really believed in the nonsense. Keep the posts to remind them.

Yes. I particularly keep all ‘selfies’ taken in masks.

On R4 just; a stupid (ain’t they all) expert telling us to “Have a Christmas drink with your neighbours outside in the street, etc blah,etc blah,etc”
ALL TOGETHER NOW:BO××OCKS!!!!!!

So the ONS data, which fits perfectly with the hospitalisation data and the death data (even if the numbers are massively exaggerated) has been “revised” to make it look as though it was “lockdown what won it.” What a load of bollocks.

Don’t understand Mark Harper’s question when they have already said that the vaccination will not provide immunity

While the CRG are better than nothing, IMO, they seem pretty thick. They need educating. In general they have not grasped the fundamentals: 1) The virus is unexceptional and 2) it cannot be “defeated”

CRG = Streetlight Effect : When people look within the system for solutions to the system .

THIS IS NOT A NEW VACCINE IT IS EXPERIMENTAL GENE THERAPY

I will not be volunteering my body for human trails. I am not anti-vax, but I am confused as to why this ‘new’ concept is being called a “vaccine”. Surely hacking into your bodies mRNA should be called Gene Therapy.
A quick search on the internet …..:
https://medium.com/swlh/mrna-therapy-a-new-form-of-gene-medicine-5d859dadd1e
I could list many more.

Or would calling it gene therapy (instead of a vaccine) put the sheople off from lining up in the race and rolling their fleeces up??.
I’m a sheep farmer, by the way. We are being treated like experimental livestock.
The scientific and medical world should be ashamed this has been allowed to happen.

‘We are being treated like experimental livestock.’

Yep, the UK is now the world’s laboratory for investigating the dangers of Pfizer’s ‘vaccine’ – and we are PAYING for it!

Still nothing is being said about which groups of people will not be vaccinated until more is known about side effects. Surely the one group who should escape are those using this untested vaccine – pregnant women and possibly those of child bearing age. Has the Thalidomide factor been taken into account. Can they be sure?

What about those who are on a cocktail of drugs for certain conditions, where again, the effect of the vaccine is unknown?

Quite so: it really seems that there is NO data relative to people who might benefit from a successful vaccine!

Please watch Dr Pierre Kory speaking (it is really moving and important). Are there any doctors in this country who would consider taking his advice?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tq8SXOBy-4w&feature=emb_logo

It all stinks. Rail roaded vaccines at the cost of billions while such effective cheap treatments are available.

Note how in the video in today’s update Rand Paul makes the excellent point repeatedly, in responded to Dr Kory as well, that it’s hard to get statistical significance when there is so little Covid about. Or that people recover in the vast majority of cases anyway.

And yet I come back to the billions spent on vaccine when so little get SARS-CoV-2, those that do are likely to not even know they have it, the majority of them will not go onto develop symptoms, and majority of those will have mild symptoms, the majority of the rest will be discharged from hospital after a bit of oxygen and steroids. It goes on.

It stinks. The whole thing is being driven by a cabal of compromised regulators and public health officials and a political body suffering from clear corporate capture.

Stinking

And don’t forget the ‘vaccines’ reduce symptoms, they don’t confer traditional immunity.

DavidC

Sorry we don’t want a cure for a non pandemic disease. I doesn’t fit into our agenda. In any case we can’t make that mush money out of this drug and the old people must die as they won’t know how to live in a cashless world.

https://www.jpost.com/breaking-news/two-individuals-die-from-pfizer-vaccine-651488 FDA announces deaths of two Pfizer vaccine trial participants • Vaccines expected to arrive in Israel Wednesday
By MAAYAN JAFFE-HOFFMAN DECEMBER 9, 2020

https://drmalcolmkendrick.org/
Interview with Dr Kendrick and Ivor Cummins
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8x6eSZA90M4

If masks continue into 2022 as a mandated form of state control then we will never see the back of them.

For me the two pillars of our strategy should now be, 1) debunk the PCR tests as a useful tool, a task that is already gaining momentum in Europe so we should be able to piggy back legal challenge onto that – what with the growing pile of evidence that the Lighthouse Labs are not fit for purpose. and 2) The second tenet, and the most important from a visual standpoint should be comprehensively debunking the effectiveness of masks, in the courts in the media, not just being a fleeting few who take action.

My Dad lives in Saudi Arabia, was praising the stinking things to high heaven when we met for lunch recently, (happy to defy the quarantine as long as he’s wearing a mask, and then put the sodding filthy rag on the table) needless to say he got an hour of me preaching against everything and he left more sceptical and didn’t wear it leaving the restaurant.

Not a lot of mention in the MSM about the Danish study – and many others – showing that muzzles are ineffective.

There is mountains of evidence that face masks are useless. I mean the Danes have just ran a study for seven months FFS saying masks are useless, but the MSM have taken zero notice of it whatsoever. If you tell a lie often enough, it will eventually become the truth. As long as the MSM hold the narrative, we are fucked. Stop the MSM and there is no virus.

Peter Hitchens has put out on his Twitter that the Danish study debunks mask use. The replies he got from true believers were interesting(!)

“It does not debunk it! Ok, they don’t protect you but wearing a mask isn’t about protecting you! It’s about protecting others! And the paper clearly states it wasn’t measuring that. So put your mask on, granny killer!”

That would be a rough paraphrase of much of it.

Yes, brainwashing is the only thing this evil government has done successfully during the past eight months. There is no reasoning with these idiots. Cognitive Dissonance at its worse.

If you wearing a mask, doesn’t protect you. How the feck can wearing one protect anyone else? If the virus goes straight through your mask, it’s going to go straight through the other wearers mask. The fuckwit who said that is of the lowest intelligence.

Took a while but I finally found a Tweet referencing it:

https://twitter.com/ClarkeMicah/status/1334109478103494659

I liked this comment:

If happy mask wearers just turned theirs inside out we’d have no issue then!

And the award for hypocrisy goes to:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-55216047

In assuring everyone that there will probably be some side effects from the vaccine but it’s OK:

“ Don’t fall for fake news

The danger is people falsely assume health problems that happen by coincidence are caused by the vaccine. It is easy to predict there will be scare stories in the coming months – whether in the press or on social media, have origins that are misguided or plain malicious. But the truth is that people get sick all the time. Every five minutes in the UK one person has a heart attack and one person has a stroke. More than 600,000 people die each year .”

So suddenly we are so blasé about death figures? Well as long as it’s not COVID!

Hmm, not a lot of self-awareness at the beeb then!?

But the truth is that people get sick all the time. Every five minutes in the UK one person has a heart attack and one person has a stroke. More than 600,000 people die each year .

Hard to figure out whether they are evil or stupid.

evil

People falsely assume health problems that occur by coincidence are related to the vaccine. Bit like Long Covid then?

Now that’s what I call multitasking. Being tested for the virus, being at death’s door from the virus, sagely discussing something and then comforting a child whose parent has been taken

https://twitter.com/ProKlausSchwab/status/1335631841324306436

Error. Good work.

They were both same hospital I believe (Coventry)
https://metro.co.uk/2020/12/08/covid-vaccine-uk-william-shakespeare-also-receives-pfizer-jab-13717189/

Like a Greek god, in 2 places at the same time. I do that all the time, I’m in 6 places at the same time though because I’m better than her..

Covidiots screamed that the magic vaxx poison would ‘free everyone’. Now we find out from people who can’t make a coffee or fill a bath tub (scientists); that the face diapers will last indefinitely, along with one assumes ‘social distancing’, rolling lockdowns and quite likely a mandatory vaxx jab every few months.

Flu Fascism based on fiction, not science. There is no pandemic. Flu/Resp/Pneumonia deaths are casually moved into CV 19.

Note: I have asked ONS and NHS for access to the raw data. NHS replied that the ONS not the NHS, aggregates the CV death porn but they will not say how this is done. ONS will not say (pending) how they collect the data from various NHS agencies. Yet they want us to believe that their data has merit and has been validated. Clown show.

I find it more than sinister that the vaccine is being touted as the thing to ‘set us free’. Now where have I seen something similar …

Hands up who wants to punch Patrick Vallance ?

Hands up who wants to punch him really really hard ?

Let’s take turns holding him down, and punching him hard. Or injecting him with some tracer.
Look what these bastards are turning me into? This is not the time though, to turn the other cheek.

There is not enough time in a day for the amount of punches that man deserves. Casually running his mouth while ruining lives for almost a year now. Scum.

It would be like Murder on the Orient Express, only rather than being found with multiple stab wounds, he’d just be black and blue and missing several teeth.

Poirot: “Helas, it ees probable ze assailant left ze train and will nevair be found.”

“Alas mon ami , he died of the dreaded mal de coveed .” “But Poirot, these injuries…” “My dear Hastings, they are coveed-related !”

How many times can each person punch him hard? A thousand times from me.

How about he is jailed and used to test every new drug and vaccine.

I’m not suggesting he wishes to punch him (though perhaps he does!) but Dr Mike Yeadon a couple of months ago challenged Vallance to debate him on some covid-related subject. He said he didn’t hear back from him.
I wonder why?

I don’t usually have violent thoughts but reading today’s update made my hands itch to hit him.

I still like, make them eat a load of sweets, then hang him up by his balls and then pinata his ass with baseball bats.

If n unelected official with far too much sway is in the press talking about masks till 2022 then you and I both know it’s going to be masks forever now.

A measure that will change western society forever needs conclusive and clear unquestioned evidence? If yes, where can I find the evidence that masks work so effectively that they need to be mandated ? There is none.

He probably has shares in a mask company and I’m not joking.

Yes, it needs to be stressed as often as possible that Wittery and Vallance are UNELECTED. They shouldn’t even have a platform from which to speak to us.

It’s become a real problem. Civil servants are not permitted to speak to the media outlets and must be neutral to Government policy, yet if you happen to be Vallance, Twitty or indeed a SAGE member you are running to the press to gob off every chance you get, And no one pulls them up on it…..why not?

If Vallance is a champagne socialist then he is doing a fine job destroying the Government by proxy.

Any form of mandate on masks till 2022 means the emergency powers of the Coronovirus act need to be extended to another year to support the extended mask mandate which would come into effect via extension in January……in short, it needs control through parliament not Vallance’s say so via off the cuff remarks. He should be sacked. That he won’t be tells us all that this is going to be policy and that there is no end to this nonsense.

A disease that creates no excess deaths and shows nothing more than flu like symptoms in 99%+ of people, solved with a vaccine that doesn’t stop infections but instead just makes the symptoms milder. What a con.

It’s hard to decide what is more impressive, the gall of all those pushing this nonsense knowing it’s BS or the stupidity of those pushing this nonsense thinking it’s true.

There are theraputics and prophylactics far more effective and SAFE. (Unfortunately, they’re cheap.) Someone here posted this link yesterday:

https://covid19criticalcare.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/11/FLCCC-Ivermectin-in-the-prophylaxis-and-treatment-of-COVID-19.pdf

This had been spoken of on Sky News Australia a few weeks ago.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kbIkGbriJXI

And I was reading about how effective hydrogen peroxide is in deactivating the virus, used as a mouthwash and gargle.

I’d go for vitamin D before I went near ivermectin.

From what pit of Hell did Sir Nochance emerge? From what slough of nightmare? From what pit of despond? On what unfurled leathern wings?

Good questiions! Wasn’t it Glaxo Smith Klein? Or was that the other one?

just read the long, long article by Dr Mike Yeadon re PCR mass testing. I wonder if they do mass testing in China? I ask this as, in the UK we had roughly 100k cases last week whereas China have had 93k cases year to date. Begs the question: what is China doing right that the UK is doing wrong?

PS I’m leaving aside the notion of “cases” in this argument.

I believe China are using a different test and not the PCR one we use here.

I believe China are just making stuff and shipping that stuff, and growing the economy,…

If you are asymptomatic in China you are not a case.

From January 2020:

“However, a blistering new study by British researchers—and new data showing that cervical cancer rates are surging in British 25- to 29-year-olds—raise numerous questions about officials’ inflated claims. The study’s results indicate, instead, that the jury is still out on whether HPV vaccination is effective.

The question is far from academic because, prior to Britain’s introduction of HPV vaccination in 2008, cervical cancer rates had been trending sharply downward. In fact, between the late 1980s and mid-2000s, cervical cancer rates halved . Now, Britain’s leading cancer research charity (Cancer Research UK) reports a steep 54% rise in cervical cancer in one of the very age groups that first received the vaccine.

https://childrenshealthdefense.org/news/bombshell-study-questioning-hpv-vaccine-efficacy-appears-as-the-uks-cervical-cancer-rates-rise-in-young/

The HPV vaccine is terrible. A killer. Now they even give it to boys. When vaccines cease to be about health and just about profits it’s time to stop.

King Kemal and Princess Nut Nut are still in charge of Hunger Games UK. Still at least man-boy Boris has given us panto all year. We are going to walk away without a deal. Oh no you’re not. We’re going to walk away without a deal. Oh no you’re not. Where’s Mr Gates? He’s behind you!

Boooooooo, behind you!!!!!!! Sorry wanted to boo the baddie.

Latest update from Ivor Cummins. This is all anyone needs to know, in 20 minutes. Absolute proof, using official, governments published data that there is no pandemic, lockdowns and masks have no effect on mortality and the continued project fear is a scam.

https://youtu.be/3cjgicrA504

For the last nine months the government has been causing real, objectively verifiable harm to one group of people, destroying businesses and livelihoods, in order to try to help another group of people.

Now they want everyone to take a rushed through vaccine and are appalled, simply appalled, that people might think that the vaccine is anything but safe, because the government would never carelessly inflict harm on people, would it.

Stupid or evil. Still can’t decide.

Evil as a result of stupidity.

DavidC

evil

Tiers / Lockdowns
Kill
Businesses, Jobs and Dreams

Whatever happens now, our society is clearly finished, isn’t it?

The struggle now is to make sure that what comes next is shaped by us and not ‘them’.

We are entering a new epoch. We have been in the birth pangs for some time but it’s really coming into birth now.

It’s up to us to preserve humanity – Human contact, smiles, music, all the rest.

(And yes I’m aware of how pretentious and overblown that sounds. I’m also aware of how hypocritical I am writing this on an internet-enabled computer rather than being with people in real life.)

Re. your bracketed comment, that’s my issue also. Ordinarily, I don’t touch social media as I don’t like the sheer nastiness it generates. But, we are in extraordinary times and this website and the kindliness of the contributors and the humour (thanks Sam V. et.al.) gets me through some pretty shitty days.

Bloody hell, fame at last! But seriously, folks, this place is nothing like ‘social media’. It is populated by thinking, questioning, truth-seeking people. I like to think of myself as a ‘scientist by inclination’, ie not in any professional capacity, but someone who thinks critically and ‘looks behind’. Pretty much everyone here is like that, or is an actual scientist. This is the home of the truth.

It is populated by thinking, questioning, truth-seeking people.

+1, Sam

Keyword there, for me, is questioning . I impressed this on my children when they were growing up: “question everything and do your own research”.

Agreed! This is one of those historical moments Yuval Noah Harari describes as a “bad bargain”. People are being being offered (ultimately) artificial immunity which will protect us again all diseases, in return for surrendering our personal liberty and perhaps our bodily integrity.

It will require (a) mass demonstrations on the street led by respected figures such as Lord Sumption, Peter Hitchens, Allison Pearson and others and (b) election of a populist anti-lockdown government ,

Here comes the anti-anti-vax propaganda:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/blogs-trending-55179300

“Patricia is suffering from an unexplained skin condition – but a misunderstanding about what might have caused it set off a chain of events that turned her foot into fodder for anti-vaccine activists. The picture showed purple and red sores, swollen and oozing with pus….Within a day, those same feet had been mentioned thousands of times on Instagram and Facebook. The picture went viral on Twitter as well.

… And it’s true – she was a participant in a trial for the Pfizer/BioNTech vaccine that started to be administered on Tuesday.

But this is also true: Patricia never received the actual vaccine . Medical records show that she received a placebo, a small injection of salt water. (Researchers do this as a matter of routine, to compare groups that receive a drug or a vaccine with those who receive the placebo.)”

See? Her swollen foot had nothing to do with the vaccine. One subtext here is that the vaccine is safe. But of course this isn’t the real subtext:

“Her illness had nothing to do with injections. But that didn’t stop activists twisting her story to advance their own agendas . And on top of the physical pain caused by her condition , Patricia received a wave of online abuse .”

Evil anti-vaxxers! Bastards!

Then a telling diversion which will be picked up later:

“Under America’s mostly private health care system, Patricia was already struggling with medical costs due to a back condition. Now she had to take time off from her job as an archival assistant due to her foot sores.”

Then we move in for the kill:

“The story spread quickly. After an anti-vaccine influencer posted it, it was picked up in several places, including an apocalypse-themed evangelical Christian site that promotes conspiracy theories about vaccines, the Covid-19 pandemic and the US election. The site posted a version of Patricia’s story along with passages from the Bible describing her feet as having “crusting holes that look a whole lot like the ‘grievous sores’ described in [the book of] Revelation “. From there it spread to religion-themed and anti-vaccine Facebook groups around the world.”

And then an interesting insight into a rearrangement of the vaccine trials etiquette:

“As word began to spread, Pfizer and Patricia’s doctors started looking into her participation in the vaccine trial. Normally, participants are not told whether they receive a vaccine or a placebo – that information is only revealed to researchers once the study is complete, so as not to influence the results. But Patricia says that because of the unusual circumstances, researchers and the drug company revealed to her that she had received the salt water placebo, not the trial vaccine . We independently confirmed that fact, and consulted several independent dermatologists who said a saline solution injected into an arm would not cause a skin condition to flare up in someone’s foot .”

(Hmmm… damage control? Oops! Don’t want to be a conspiracy nut!)

Well – the point has to be reiterated and driven home with maximum force:

“..misleading information from spreading…. coronavirus conspiracy theories… pseudoscience influencers…a torrent of abuse on social media…” etc.

Now we get an echo of that curious diversion about the American private heath system:

“Patricia still has medical bills to pay…For her part, Patricia just “wants this to all be over”. She’s hoping that her doctor can find the cause of her condition, and that she can get back to work soon.”

And it all becomes clear: the good people , the downtrodden proles are the ones who will automatically believe the good doctors. They are up against the bad people who are conspiracy nuts, religious fanatics and – it is implied – The Right!

Billions of dollars Vs Human instinct and the immune system. I know what I trust.

And then an interesting insight into a rearrangement of the vaccine trials etiquette:

Yes, that’s right. If a subject suffers a severe adverse event then the case is “unblinded”, to discover whether they have taken the treatment or the control. This is obviously what you want in the interests of the subject, so the adverse event can be treated in full knowledge, and in the interests of the trial, so that the adverse event can be investigated for a possible causal connection with the treatment if given.

That’s what you would expect, and that’s what’s normal, and, it would appear, that’s what happened here.

Pfizer used the meningitis vaccine as the placebo didn’t they? Not salt water. So this whole story is Bollocks anyway.

According to their published protocol the control was “Normal saline (0.9% sodium chloride solution for injection)”.

oh ok then. You sure? I am sure I read the meningitis vaccine was used as a placebo in one of the trials, was it the Oxford one?

I gave the link to the protocol …

The Oxford trial had a meningitis vaccine as control for the first jab and saline for the second.

it was the Oxford. .i remember that horrible ginger haired doctor woman talking about it on morning tv

I though the placebo was another vaccine

ABSOLUTE MUST WATCH VIDEO.

ICU doc spells it out.

Watch before youtube takes it down.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tq8SXOBy-4w&feature=emb_logo

What I’m interested in is that for the small subset of people who get really ill, is what they have not similar to parasitic diseases? Or to put it another way: is Ivermectin working because it is actually treating a condition, or variant, it normally treats but had been mislabelled?

Wow! That is an important video – why aren’t our media bringing the potential of Ivermectin to our attention? The doctor is claiming it’s a 100% effective prophylactic. Perfect for those currently shielding? Obviously the claims need to be assessed but this sounds v positive. It is instructive that the Dems attack the poor guy. The lockdown-masks-economic disaster strategy is clearly a political one not a health-based one.

It makes sense to try any sort of anti inflammatory drug along with steriods to assist with respiratory conditions. This clip needs to go viral.

Heard JHB interviewing Bullshitter Nabarro (WHO’s version of a Papal Legate).

Dearie me.

It showed just how deadly what I call “the Vaccine Fly Trap” is.

Once you do that merry jig about the wonderful vaccine you are trapped in WHO-Vallance logic. Much as she tried, she could get no traction on the issue of relaxing restrictions, having accepted that vaccines are the “solution” to what is really a non-problem, a run of the mill health issue like a bad flu year.

Poor JHB is totally lost now. You can sense her frustration but it’s her own fault.

There was a deeply sinister moment when, in response to JHB’s desperate plea for confirmation that we could get back to normal once the vulnerable have been vaccinated, Nabarro said something like:

“We will get back to normal eventually…but it won’t be the same normal. ”

She then tried to interpret that as meaning we’ll all have to keep washing our hands more! The malevolent Nabarro offered her no comfort.

JHB approached this interview the wrong way in every way. She genuflected to this chancer as though he were a wise and cuddly Nobel Prize winner rather than some v average medic who got on the international gravy train. She asked no hard questions of him about eg how and why WHO changed its advice on the efficacy of masks in the Spring or why they seem so willing to do China’s bidding or even how huge his salary for serving up bullshit might be (Nabarro has suggested before he is in his job for humanitarian reasons! – what a fibster!!).

Anyone who supports an untested experimental vaccine for an unremarkable virus needs to realise;The vaccine is the key to the whole charade.
Once you cede the principle that the government have the right to administer anything into your body,then you become a servant of the government.
They are telling us there is no return to normal,ever.
Vaccines tied to an immunity passport is game over for freedom.
Nabarro is Bill Gates mouthpiece and they are planning 10 years of health.
Each year you will be expected to be vaccinated for another disease and barred from participating in public life until you have these jabs.

Mandatory masking is an absolutely key element in disciplining the populace just as drill is for preparing soldiers to obey orders, even ones that put their life at risk.

We seem to have ended up in a v dark place.

You can say that again. I still can’t believe it sometimes. I just hope a combination of bad vaccine side effects, economic disaster, and simple fatigue/disillusionment will wake people up in the new year. Otherwise, we’re screwed.

You hit the nail on the head in your last paragraph – pretty much all of ‘the science’ and ‘medic’ protagonists in this saga are those that did not cut it at the coal face. They then migrated into ‘public health’. If you have time, read the transcript from Sir Jeremy Farrar’s outing on Desert Island Discs.

This is very true. I see it in the academic world all the time (those who were poor researchers and/or teachers end up in ‘administration’, often with lots of perks). They become very self-important. Public health used to be respectable but is now full of woke marxists. It seems to be a branch of sociology now.

It’s as if some clever people spotted an opportunity. This obscure discipline called ‘public health’, so hidden away, lurking somewhere in the middle management ranks of the public sector, is actually the idea way to impose your politics on others. Without the bother of actually getting elected.

Shame

She can be quite feisty

Maybe Mike Graham would have done a better job

They are of very poor quality these days

I’m no genius but I am confident I could take most of these chancers apart

Most people who post here would slaughter them

The narrative has really sunk into people and they cannot get out of the false paradigm

I feel some sympathy, not a lot, for these elderly people who think having this vaccine will enable them to get their lives back. It won’t, it was never their intention to let us have our lives back.

Blackmail rarely ends with just the one payment.

It won’t be normal as many small to medium businesses will go bust, less opportunity to shop around or try out a restaurant or country pub, go to cinemas, music venues closed. Big business only.

Hold on a minute it’s all in the technocracy handbook…………..

JHB is her own worst enemy. Instead of asking just one well phrased open question, she repeatedly launches into a monologue containing three of four questions mixed up with a couple of facts and a good slice of opinion. It’s not difficult for an evasive interviewee to simply select the least contentious question to answer or choose to respond to one of her facts or opinions instead. It’s no surprise that most of her interviews end in a frustrated impasse and a real shame as she could be could be a really effective interviewer if she just paused before opening her mouth.

Yes what I always say to my daughter, when your mouth is moving you are not learning anything. Her questions are too wordy and tries to feed an answer. Most modern interviewers do this. Instead of, how and why do lockdowns work? Why did you lie about what happened in wuhan?

Raising questions about vaccinations today is like raising questions about god in medieval society. It’s dangerous.

So 2 NHS staff suffered allergic reactions to the Pfizer vaccine……

This is going to be an unmitigated clusterfuck. I can smell it. Poor bastards.

I believe there is a possible likelihood that I may suffer from allergic reaction to covid vaccines

No vaccine for me

I assume my vaccine passport will state ”allergic to vaccines”

But it might still be “sorry you can’t get on the plane then”

I just seen a headline they’ve now advised that people who suffer allergic reactions not to get the vaccine.

Tomorrow’s ‘we care for you’ notice:

Don’t buy losing lottery tickets.

The only silver lining in the Covid cloud – the light being shone on vaccine safety, or should I say “induced risk”.

I’m surprised they haven’t wheeled out the, if you think a medication will have an adverse effect, it will, theory.

I wonder when Margaret will be giving her first (emotional) interview to Piers Morgan. I must say, she looks bloody good for a 90 year old.

Thanks for the warning. I’ll order in an extra sick bucket.

they are probably going to set her and Captain Tom up on one of those dating programmes that ITV2 does and broadcast it next time there is some bad news to hide

If no-one, including Vallance, knows, if after being vaccinated, the lurgy remains transmissible or not, then what is the point of being vaccinated?
Evidently the vaccine doesn’t stop you from catching the damn thing, merely “lessens the effect” but, if it IS transmissible, it would then appear you can still give it to someone else!
As those 55 and under are increasingly less likely to suffer from this, one wonders why anyone would bother with getting vaccinated but, let’s suppose a 25 year old care assistant has the vaccine. Yippee!
He/she then goes, care-free and vaccinated, into their place of work, where old people are being “cared for” and then—what?

I suspect thats possibly the intention.

Indeed. It mitigates symptoms – but if, like our government, you believe in the magic of asymptomatic transmission then getting the jab only helps you, not others

They can’t have it both ways

Why are the fuckwitted journalists calling them out on this?

The answer is in the question. Because they are fuckwitted.

The vaccine is like the masks and holy water, useless but believable if you have been terrified witless of a phantom that really doesn’t exist.

More on the vaccination in the community, https://www.pulsetoday.co.uk/news/clinical-areas/immunology-and-vaccines/gps-to-prioritise-elderly-bame-patients-for-first-covid-19-vaccine-batch/?utm_source=pulse%20daily&utm_medium=newsletter

I’m higher up the list than I would have been because I had a stroke a couple of years ago. Not only will I not have the vaccine but this whole shit show has made me question all aspects of health care and medicine. I was put on the highest dose of statin as the only thing found after my tests was slightly raised ‘bad’ cholesterol. I have been really loathed to take it due to conflicting views, I have now decided to stop.

I’m not an anti vaxxer by any means as I’ve had jabs for shingles, pneumonia, and flu,
but this whole Covid-19 scamdemic has made me seriously question my whole attitude to the state administering man made chemicals into my body. Wild horses won’t get me to have this Covid poison injected into me.

I’m particularly struck by the recent words of an American doctor—Dr Kelly Brogan:

‘Vaccination is penetration of the body, mind and spirit by the state.’

Quite!

Great post. Question everything