Last updated2020-12-09T08:47:01



292676 Cristi.Neagu, replying to Cristi.Neagu, 18, #1 of 1934 🔗

First, i suppose.

So the MPs had a chat today about the vaccine rollout. You can watch it here:


But spoiler alert, it’s a circle jerk.

292678 ▶▶ Ceriain, replying to Cristi.Neagu, 23, #2 of 1934 🔗

I’m glad you called it a chat and not a debate. Not been much debate in the HOC for the past 9 months. 🙁

292687 ▶▶▶ wendyk, replying to Ceriain, 12, #3 of 1934 🔗

Mutual back slapping, under the headline Urgent Question.

294062 ▶▶▶▶ Sir Patrick Vaccine, replying to wendyk, #4 of 1934 🔗



PCR Vs Rapid Antigen – Safely Opening Up Society – a Rational, Technical Approach

Ivor Cummins

292694 ▶▶ William Gruff, replying to Cristi.Neagu, 9, #5 of 1934 🔗

‘Circle Jerk’? Is that a euphemism for mutual masturbation?

292709 ▶▶▶ karenovirus, replying to William Gruff, 8, #6 of 1934 🔗

Careful William, someone will start talking about the biscuits next and there are ladies present 👬 👬 👬

292786 ▶▶▶▶ Ethelred the Unready, replying to karenovirus, 7, #7 of 1934 🔗

Only if all participants attended Public School, old boy

292965 ▶▶▶▶▶ Two-Six, replying to Ethelred the Unready, 4, #8 of 1934 🔗

Or if they work for the Fire Brigade

293780 ▶▶▶ Cristi.Neagu, replying to William Gruff, 1, #9 of 1934 🔗

Yes. It is.

292696 ▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Cristi.Neagu, 12, #10 of 1934 🔗

I don’t have six hours to waste on those tossers. Anyone care to highlight the points of interest, if any.

292702 ▶▶▶ wendyk, replying to karenovirus, 13, #11 of 1934 🔗

Pride: Britain first in the vaccination league; wonderful achievement; questions about local hospitals becoming vaccination hubs; protection of vulnerable; couple of mild inquiries about restriction easing; Hancock emoting, bla, bla,bla.

292703 ▶▶▶▶ karenovirus, replying to wendyk, 17, #12 of 1934 🔗

Pride ? Seems more like hubris.

292708 ▶▶▶▶▶ wendyk, replying to karenovirus, 9, #13 of 1934 🔗

Exactly and a mutual smugfest

292711 ▶▶▶▶▶ annie, replying to karenovirus, 8, #14 of 1934 🔗

In which case Nemesis is ringing the doorbell even now.

292827 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Nigel Sherratt, replying to annie, 4, #15 of 1934 🔗

Catharsis coming up the path with luck.

292946 ▶▶▶▶▶ Will, replying to karenovirus, 5, #16 of 1934 🔗

Hubris is exactly the word of which I was thinking…

293159 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Will, 3, #17 of 1934 🔗

There’s been a lot of it about this year.

293158 ▶▶▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to karenovirus, 3, #18 of 1934 🔗

Just more puerile bragging.

292857 ▶▶▶▶ Exiled off mainstreet, replying to wendyk, 20, #19 of 1934 🔗

The question will be how many succumb to the side effects versus how many more would have died of the virus, and the reduction in influenza deaths indicates to me that many of those deaths are shunted over to covid, especially with PCR tests which often show false positives.

294469 ▶▶▶▶ Kevin 2, replying to wendyk, #20 of 1934 🔗

Something usually comes after ‘pride’.

292865 ▶▶ Moomin, replying to Cristi.Neagu, 15, #21 of 1934 🔗

Quite sickening really ‘our common enemy’! What a load of nonsense!

293000 ▶▶▶ Llamasaurus Rex, replying to Moomin, 7, #22 of 1934 🔗


293229 ▶▶▶ Rowan, replying to Moomin, 14, #23 of 1934 🔗

Our common enemy is Whitehall.

293399 ▶▶▶ Bella Donna, replying to Moomin, 15, #24 of 1934 🔗

The Enemy is this Government! I object to that ar$e talking as if we were all in this together, we know we are not!

292915 ▶▶ AN other lockdown sceptic, replying to Cristi.Neagu, 11, #25 of 1934 🔗

I tried to read the summary but didn’t get very far. It was just a lot of smoke being blown hard up Handycock’s and the Nanny State’s arses. Very Soviet-esque.

292677 Ceriain, replying to Ceriain, 62, #26 of 1934 🔗

Guess I’m 2nd. 🙂

Anyway, I’m off to bed, but I’ll leave the night shift to consider something that really bothers me about this whole thing.

There are far too many very intelligent people who “believe” all this. I can’t figure why this is, other than to think they have either been paid, or threatened.

Discuss! (Use both sides of the paper, if required. 😉

292683 ▶▶ Steeve, replying to Ceriain, #27 of 1934 🔗


292688 ▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Ceriain, 26, #28 of 1934 🔗

There are far too many intelligent people who are in on the scam and as per the main text quotes, some think it is for our own good.
The thing that puzzled me is why ‘they’ would want a society based on mistrust and suspicion and how this whole mess appeared out of nowhere yet is so pervasive.

I refer again to the BBC Documentary ‘The Trap, What Happened To Our Dream Of Freedom’, 2003.

Us oldies will remember how the theory of Mutually Assured Destruction saved the world from nuclear war.
John Nash (mathematician in The Beautiful Mind) at the Rand Corporation won a Nobel prize for a series of equations for extending MAD to organising the whole of society.

(Episode 1 @14 minutes) Using the scenario of The Prisoners Dilema he proved that it is in everyone’s interest to behave selfishly and that this would result in a stable societal outcome.

But the price would be a world in which everyone was suspicious and distrustful of everyone else which is exactly where we are today.

John Nash ended up in an asylum but his followers have been penetrating the organs of public life for 17 years.

292821 ▶▶▶ Nigel Sherratt, replying to karenovirus, 3, #29 of 1934 🔗

Exactly, democracy is sub-optimal just less so than the alternatives.

292864 ▶▶▶ Exiled off mainstreet, replying to karenovirus, 19, #30 of 1934 🔗

I think that what happened is that in the ’90s the power structure figured out that with controlled opposition, i.e, one party in reality despite the continued existence of the shell of the multiparty system, that they could set up a permanent regime. The present day results are easily visible. The criminals are Tony Blair with the present henchman Starmer as the controlled opposition, and the Clintons, with the disgusting corrupt democrat regime now seizing control in the yankee imperium.

292971 ▶▶▶▶ mojo, replying to Exiled off mainstreet, 11, #31 of 1934 🔗

Absolutely. Once again the socialist want to control people. First by bureaucratic government, then by taxation and stealing labour, then by fear inducing health scams. It comes down to the greed and avarice of those who do not want to create their own wealth. Who do not want their nations and their citizens to aspire to greatness.

we allowed a deeply sinister regime to change our way of life, our values and take our future away. It happened because the few Marxists at the top of the tree, the lizards waiting in the wings saw their opportunity to deceive when Soros, Clinton and Blair all came on the world stage together. The ignorance and stupidity of people like Hezeltine, Clarke, Major and indeed Ted Heath opened the door to globalism.

292989 ▶▶▶▶▶ karenovirus, replying to mojo, 12, #32 of 1934 🔗

The BBC documentary makes it clear that it not a left-right issue. It is the economists, academics, statisticians and public health experts presuming to know better with a hefty dollop of financial corruption thrown in.

The takeover of the State by these people was facilitated by all governments equally.

293254 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Rowan, replying to karenovirus, 9, #33 of 1934 🔗

Indeed, those still playing the right vs left card, just haven’t got to grips with what is really going on. Another explanation is that the right vs left posts are not naive, but are deliberately meant to be divisive and emanate from the paid traitors in 77th Brigade.

294254 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Be Unshakeable, replying to Rowan, #34 of 1934 🔗

This. So much this.

293530 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Binra, replying to karenovirus, 1, #35 of 1934 🔗

Presuming to know is the basis for errors that are then protected from exposure to correction.

The documentary sails as close to the wind as can be, by framing out or underplaying some of the key parameters. I don’t suggest this would necessarily be intentional in such terms.

And I appreciate Curtis’s work – which I followed back even to the revealing of a ‘Grenfell’ prediction as part of a critical exposure of a corporate housing ripoff when high density housing was sold to ‘progressive’ councils by firms that could disappear with profits to evade consequence. I expect the same in a vaccine gold rush. The pattern is the same – ‘Milk the Vacca’.

293842 ▶▶▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to mojo, #36 of 1934 🔗

The globalisation of capital was well underway long before Clinton and Bliar. It would be natural for politics to follow.

292952 ▶▶▶ mojo, replying to karenovirus, 28, #37 of 1934 🔗

It didn’t appear from nowhere. It has been building for a number of years. Drip, drip, drip. Many of us started to ask questions but were shouted down as conspiracy theorists. I remember reading an article almost 25 years ago about Russia kicking Open Society out of their country and trying to arrest Soros. However, USA gave him protection. Then Hungary did the same.

Then NHRN started talking about loss of freedom of speech but all the journalists closed the door on him. Don’t forget the grooming gangs, immigration, surveillance cameras, changing laws to stop governments helping their own people but sending billions to Foreign Aid, even the education. Education. Education farce where the grammar schools were taken away from those who benefitted most (the under privileged). Everything you know however small is the drip feeding of a nation too lazy to change their politicians. Too busy trying to put food on the table to have time to question their councils, teachers or MPs. It opened the door to worldwide corruption. The journalists were deeply complicit as they were too frightened to question and investigate. We now have a situation where a democratically elected USA President has been hounded for four years and his landslide return to the White House is openly mocked and blocked by the very people who want to control the world, and a UK government is again complicit in the treachery, with UK journalists turning their face away from scrutinising this terrible crime.

293001 ▶▶▶▶ karenovirus, replying to mojo, 7, #38 of 1934 🔗

Jeremy Corbyn was personally responsible for taking my Grammar School education away from me, I passed my 11 plus but by the time I got there the Grammar had become a Second Class Modern called a Comprehensive.

293661 ▶▶▶▶▶ annie, replying to karenovirus, 5, #39 of 1934 🔗

Some years ago, Labour took away the scholarships granted to poor but able children giving them access to top private schools. Equal mediocrity for all the workers.

294213 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Adam, replying to annie, 1, #40 of 1934 🔗

yet Labour blame grammar School closures on Thatcher

294303 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Vannnie, replying to annie, 1, #41 of 1934 🔗

I got one of those grants (paid for everything) but hated it! I felt so out of place with all those privileged girls, although I met my “best friend” there as she was in the same boat! I never felt I could invite any of them back to my place with a mere 3 bedrooms and barely a quarter acre garden…and my parents didn’t speak Latin at the dinner table, etc etc.

293055 ▶▶▶ Richard Pinch, replying to karenovirus, 2, #42 of 1934 🔗

John Nash (mathematician in The Beautiful Mind) at the Rand Corporation won a Nobel prize for a series of equations for extending MAD to organising the whole of society.

That’s not really right. Nash won the Nobel prize for a general theory of games and the ways in which a balance point could be struck among competing interests. Game theory was taken up by nuclear strategists among others. The “Nash equilibrium” is of importance in theoretical economics as illustrating how Adam Smith’s “invisible hand” might work. It’s far from being a principle on which to organise anything, more of an explanation of how things work out under conditions of competition rather than central control.

There’s a lot to be said about how the schools of mathematics popular in the USA and the USSR during the Cold War reflect their political and economic systems. Soviet mathematicians did a lot of work on optimal planning and control of complex systems, for example.

John Nash ended up in an asylum

No, he didn’t. He spent time in mental hospitals as a young man but, unusually for people with his condition, recovered sufficiently to resume a productive mathematical career. It’s fair to say, I gather, that his recovery was not complete.

his followers

I’m not aware of any.

293142 ▶▶▶▶ David Grimbleby, replying to Richard Pinch, 1, #43 of 1934 🔗

Does being a mathematician make you wise?

293151 ▶▶▶▶▶ Richard Pinch, replying to David Grimbleby, 1, #44 of 1934 🔗

I would not make that claim.

293264 ▶▶▶▶▶ Rowan, replying to David Grimbleby, #45 of 1934 🔗


293382 ▶▶▶▶ Binra, replying to Richard Pinch, 1, #46 of 1934 🔗

Good response for a ‘narrative refinement’.
Ideas are taken up and repurposed – or as I often say weaponised and marketised by opportunism driven by perceived need or called forth by true desire.

Adam Curtis makes ‘docu-stories’ to show how ideas hijack the mind, replicate contagion and mutate as ever new twists to the narrative of possession and control. Persons and events are thus shown as agencies of the ideas rather than as pathogens. Though in order for him to set a drama key persons and events are used to sketch out – and this leads a personal moral judgement to fall into blame and shame reaction – rather than address the whole terrain within us.

I see mutual self interest operating as an invisible left hand of darkness when self is defined by fear to operate as the masking over and hiding of fear and thus protect the fear by following its directive as a power of protection. If this reads insane, that is because brought out of a compartmentalised dissociation, it is insane.

The golden rule operates the equilibrium of ‘balance points’ in support for Life as a result of all as brought to communication. But if fear and guilt interject a withdrawal and withholding of communication, the same rule operates to negative effect – for treachery sees itself in others and by reacting to what it sees in defence, does the thing it fear in the ‘othered’ to others and draws a like reaction that, like tares in the field, runs as contagion through the whole.

I continue this post on item #3 (of responses posted to this page)

294642 ▶▶▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Richard Pinch, #47 of 1934 🔗

I was trying to be brief

292712 ▶▶ annie, replying to Ceriain, 41, #48 of 1934 🔗

Intelligence is not the same thing as common sense. The absent-minded professor, who is an utter idiot when it comes to anything outside his own field of expertise, is not a mere literary invention.

292758 ▶▶▶ Waldorf, replying to annie, 25, #49 of 1934 🔗

I would agree. I consider myself “intelligent” and a lot of people, not everyone, would agree, but people have also told me I lack common sense.
Whatever, I have found the Covid stuff bizarre and suspect from the very start.

292835 ▶▶▶▶ Stella Talbot, replying to Waldorf, 2, #50 of 1934 🔗

They say that because they’re jealous. People say that to me too. Yeah, sure I lack their kind of “common sense”, but the who the hell needs that?

293078 ▶▶▶▶▶ LS99, replying to Stella Talbot, 6, #51 of 1934 🔗

In truth you need your absent minded professor types and your redneck (so called because they worked in the fields) common sense types. Without rednecks, you wouldn’t eat!

293541 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Binra, replying to LS99, 3, #52 of 1934 🔗

The AI and biogenetics leads a very few to think they can discard or replace the many.
Even in fact their own biological consciousness (sic) into a virtual machine.
This is simply a reworking of the original theme of temptation to ‘become as gods’.

292831 ▶▶▶ Stella Talbot, replying to annie, 10, #53 of 1934 🔗

Yes, you’re right. I work in a boys’ school where the teachers are so obsessed by the number of press ups, laps and bench presses they can do that they literally know nothing about what’s going on outside.

292883 ▶▶▶ Suzyv, replying to annie, 17, #54 of 1934 🔗

You’ve hit the nail on the head. It’s lack of common sense. I know plenty of people with degrees and higher who have zero common sense.

294313 ▶▶▶▶ Vannnie, replying to Suzyv, #55 of 1934 🔗

In my 6+ decades on planet earth, it seems to me that common sense is disappearing fast as time passes. I wonder why?

292998 ▶▶▶ mojo, replying to annie, 8, #56 of 1934 🔗

Intelligence is the ability to reason and disseminate. Just because you have an education doesn’t mean you are intelligent. Indeed many people in the higher education system are not intelligent. Neither do they have common sense. What they have is a mind easily able to absorb knowledge. Which usually means they are very good at one subject or one form of programme. These are dangerous people because they don’t have the intelligence to disseminate.

Teachers teaching one subject only is a modern phenomenon. It creates mediocrity on a grand scale. It enables mind control. When 70yr old today went to school they had already been at home with mum for five years, who taught them alphabet, numbers and a little reading. They knew their address, they socialised with other children and the usually understood a bit about growing food and looking after house. Not today.

when they did go to school their teacher taught a range of subjects. Not least the history of our land. My grandchildren come home with drawings, picture books with one word on a page, with gold stars for being kind. I am often silently surprised at the basic level of teaching.

293135 ▶▶▶▶ Robin, replying to mojo, 12, #57 of 1934 🔗

And we also had teachers, in our grammar schools, who had served in WW II and thus had a real understanding of what was really important in the world. But by the time we graduated from University there were a lot of graduates who didn’t want to work in a competitive, commercial environment and went into teaching as an easy option. I
Looking at most of the ‘issues’ we currently face as a society; the root cause is the crap education provided by the socially aware teaching ‘profession’

293728 ▶▶▶▶▶ Judith Day, replying to Robin, 6, #58 of 1934 🔗

Drakeford – a prime example of a moronic mediocre social studies teacher.

294216 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Adam, replying to Judith Day, 2, #59 of 1934 🔗

the most un Welsh name in Wales

294319 ▶▶▶▶ Vannnie, replying to mojo, 2, #60 of 1934 🔗

I have often observed (from people I went to school with, or know personally) that (most) people who become medical doctors are those ones who absorb “knowledge” but without questioning any of it – presumably because they aren’t capable of lateral thinking or that actually there may be some faults in what they’re being taught. They also seem to be those who weren’t the brightest in the class, but were the “plodders”. Then, when they pop out of medical school, they just regurgitate that which they’ve been taught again, without question. Thankfully there are several who aren’t like that, but they are few and far between…

293027 ▶▶▶ Two-Six, replying to annie, 23, #61 of 1934 🔗

I was listening to a very young sounding professor guy on the bastard BBC this morning. I thought how young he sounded. He couldn’t have been more than in his mid to late 20’s and he was advocating locking us all down harder and for longer and not doing Christmas. The usual bollocks.

It seems like most of the professors who are driving corona bollocks are very young. Fresh faced beardy young dudes trying to add gravitas to their demenor with a bit of facial bum-fluff.

I was thinking how is it that just because somebody has professor in their title means that they are infallible, they have to be right. Unquestionably.
I don’t want to denigrate people who can get that fabled title but seriously…Why are we allowing babies to make such important pronouncements that have such profound effects on so many people and why do we listen to them?
It seems like every person and his dog can get to be a professor these days.

293086 ▶▶▶▶ DomW, replying to Two-Six, 23, #62 of 1934 🔗

I determined some time ago that listening to ANY news/commentary etc on the BBC, no matter how much I want to know what’s going on, is deeply harmful to my mental and spiritual health. I just dont do it any more.

293922 ▶▶▶▶▶ Two-Six, replying to DomW, #63 of 1934 🔗

I can manage about 10 minutes every 3 or 4 days

294326 ▶▶▶▶▶ Vannnie, replying to DomW, #64 of 1934 🔗

I gave up the BBC years ago…

293270 ▶▶▶▶ Rowan, replying to Two-Six, 4, #65 of 1934 🔗

It’s a good life being a professor, for as well as your monthly pay cheque, you get a nice little pick up from Bill Gates, if you make the right noises.

294331 ▶▶▶▶▶ Vannnie, replying to Rowan, 2, #66 of 1934 🔗

Unless you happen to be Professor Chris Exley, who happily busied himself for decades studying aluminium toxicity in living organisms…until he proposed a possible problem with the aluminium adjuvants in vaccines. Then – all his funding dried up! He made the mistake of mentioning autism…just saying that more research should be done, which seems like a good idea, given his research findings…but too late. He’d committed the cardinal sin!

293733 ▶▶▶▶ Judith Day, replying to Two-Six, 6, #67 of 1934 🔗

Anyone who has got a Ph.D can call themselves ‘a professor” quite often these are people who have done 5 years of university without ever having a job in the real world.

294324 ▶▶▶▶ Vannnie, replying to Two-Six, 3, #68 of 1934 🔗

Lol – I think I saw him somewhere too! But my 22-year old daughter has landed a funded PhD in psychology so in 3 years’ time she’ll be a “Doctor” – but I do try and play devil’s advocate with her and give her a reality check whenever I can. I think it irritates her but hopefully she’ll see the benefits one day (hopefully while I’m still alive!)

293724 ▶▶▶ Squire Western, replying to annie, 4, #69 of 1934 🔗

My brother tells me that the professor of physics at his university returned from an overseas convention and had forgotten where he lived and had to ask the department secretary! True, I promise.

292745 ▶▶ FlynnQuill, replying to Ceriain, 27, #70 of 1934 🔗

Fear, just because you are intelligent doesn’t mean you aren’t susceptible to scaremongering propoganda.

292779 ▶▶ Just about sane, replying to Ceriain, 37, #71 of 1934 🔗

I left school with a C in history O grade and fell foul of the propaganda for a couple of weeks, then started questioning and looking, which was difficult, for an alternative and asking myself more questions.

However I know personally 2 people one was a secondary teacher and the other has 2 degrees one in maths. Both of these people have been a major disappointment to me, as both of them believe I’m a loon ball and they are right and the government are right and the Sunday Times, the BBC and radio 4 do not tell the audience lies or spout propaganda. Not once have they questioned the narrative.

I do however believe they’re enjoying this, both pensioned, both sitting pretty financially and they both live in the middle of knowhere and actually joyfully told me how they clapped every Thursday night on the doorstep for the NHS!!!!! Why? No one saw them! So why????

My theory is they lack imagination, I may not have had wonderful report cards nor lots of qualifications but all of the teachers I had agreed that I had a wonderful imagination.

292842 ▶▶▶ Stella Talbot, replying to Just about sane, 19, #72 of 1934 🔗

Yes, spot on!! I have worked in schools for nearly twenty years. I have only ever met one or two teachers who had any imagination.

292927 ▶▶▶ AN other lockdown sceptic, replying to Just about sane, 12, #73 of 1934 🔗

I know some pensioners like this. Once hyper inflation kicks in and they can’t afford to eat/keep warm/travel/eat cake etc as before, I suspect that they’ll change their tunes sharpish.

292959 ▶▶▶▶ PastImperfect, replying to AN other lockdown sceptic, 10, #74 of 1934 🔗

By that time it will be too late to change tune.

293092 ▶▶▶▶▶ Keen Cook, replying to PastImperfect, 13, #75 of 1934 🔗

The real impact on how everyone lives has still to come. Sheeple will be too confused to realise their unquestioning compliance had anything to do with the coming economic & social catastrophe. The disconnect to those with livings to earn, businesses to run, homes to keep is huge.

293292 ▶▶▶▶▶ Rowan, replying to PastImperfect, 4, #76 of 1934 🔗

They will have been vaccinated by then, so yes far too late.

293022 ▶▶▶ mojo, replying to Just about sane, 13, #77 of 1934 🔗

People who remain very much in the public sector tend never to understand the world around them. By that I mean twenty years of their lives are spent in institutionalised education. They then move on to a public sector job either in teaching, nursing, police etc. By this time indoctrination is deep. They just do not understand that their salaries are not paid by the Government, but by he private sector. The divide has now become so wide because the public sector have lost their sense of service to the country.

Simply put bureaucratic government has destroyed the fabric of our society. We are now close to becoming a fully socialist country but we have the ghastly inbetween which has driven mistrust and snobbish dislike of anyway who makes their own way and earns their own living by creating the salaries of those who are indeed the socialists.

293084 ▶▶▶▶ Evoluon, replying to mojo, 2, #78 of 1934 🔗

One problem with this analysis is that in the UK taxation does not fund public sector spending. The government creates new money when it spends. The role of taxation is to create demand for the currency, cool the economy in times of excess inflation or to meet other social ends.

293284 ▶▶▶ Rowan, replying to Just about sane, 3, #79 of 1934 🔗

Having intelligence and being a grade A scholar are not always compatible.

293600 ▶▶▶ sam, replying to Just about sane, 4, #80 of 1934 🔗

that’s what i think too is a lack of orignal thinking , and a lack of thinking for yourself. i ‘ve lost most of my friends over this and anyway have lost respect for them if ever are friends again , not very good for a friendship!

294334 ▶▶▶ Vannnie, replying to Just about sane, #81 of 1934 🔗

Hilarious! Very sad though that such people are responsible for educating (or brainwashing) the next generation…I think if I had young children these days, I’d be home-educating for sure

292811 ▶▶ Eliza P., replying to Ceriain, 40, #82 of 1934 🔗

It’s a thing that’s been puzzling me too. I am intelligent myself (so the official IQ test said) and I very much took it as read that others would see straight through all this Lockdown nonsense. It only took me a few weeks to realise it all just didn’t add up. Yet, if anything, it seems to be the more intelligent people I know that are more likely to believe all this rubbish. I think a large part of it is they often tend to be “sheltered” from the economic effects more than most – decent homes, more secure jobs etc and so can literally afford not to look into all this. Well – I’ve also got a reasonable home (finally) and my income is secure (ie pension) and yet I think otherwise. I personally think that one possible cause of them being ostriches (head in the sand) might be that, at a personal level, they’ve probably often suffered less in their lives to date and haven’t had to fight their way through bad situations as much as the more cynical of us. Having always been single/low income and from a dearer area – then I’ve had no option but to learn to be more cynical/questioning/stand up for myself and fight and I swear it’s taught me to think for myself more than those who’ve had a more comfortable lifestyle and have just coasted through not having to question in order to survive – as they married/had a joint income/took husbands surname/generally had a life to date that didn’t demand any “questioning” from them and so they never got into the habit of questioning.

The other thing is they might be greater consumers of tv than I am – whereas I learnt to regard tv as having a high nuisance factor as a teenager from a home where my mother switched on the tv when I was a teenager and always kept it on after that for the rest of her life (even when I was there in the room trying to do my homework) and that tv never went off again (apart from when they went to bed or out). Hence I’m a more selective viewer myself.

292820 ▶▶▶ Stella Talbot, replying to Eliza P., 7, #83 of 1934 🔗

Yes exactly, Eliza.

293093 ▶▶▶ Arkansas, replying to Eliza P., 10, #84 of 1934 🔗

It may perhaps also be that “intelligent middle class university educated people” (or thereabouts; I am such) are likely to conflate “reading and understanding material presented about a subject with “being informed about a subject”. Because that’s been the format or underlying assumption of their life and career to date.

So if they’ve watched the news and read the articles, they know all about it (they think) and can smugly and confidently dismiss those who don’t share “their” views.

People who’ve had to engage with life more directly are less inclined to operate this way: they’ve encountered the messiness of real life, with its scams and players and tricks, and so take note of the integrity of the messengers as well as the message, and of the way the message is being delivered (the “angle” basically). This, by intuition based on everyday experience; they don’t have to think it through to persuade themselves.

Now, fear can derail this intuitive attention just as much as it details critical reasoning, but the former recovers more easily because it is always “present, now” and dynamic, overturning misconceptions are any time, whereas reasoning tends to proceed from its last conclusion, which now has become “right” and difficult to disrupt.

293613 ▶▶▶ sam, replying to Eliza P., 1, #85 of 1934 🔗

so well thought out well said eliza. i agree.yes my was very close friend spends all day watching the news on tv .

294189 ▶▶▶ ianric, replying to Eliza P., 5, #86 of 1934 🔗

I work with the police as a civilian so my job should be secure but I have been out of work in the past which means I am totally against measures which deprive people of their livelyhoods for no reason as I know what is like to have no income and be on the dole. I find it sad if people don’t question lockdoown.

The economy has been shut down for long periods, there are severe restrictions on what people can do, our civil liberties have been eroded and lockdowns have done enormous social and economic damage. In view of this it is vital to ask are such extreme measures justified. This is why have researched coronavirus as much as possible to see whether lockdowns are justified. For instance, lockdown laws apply to the whole population including healthy people who display no symptoms. I have asked on this website and numerous forums if asymptomatic transmission can occur and I have sent an FOI request to the NHS. A key justification for lockdowns is that covid is highly infectious and I sent an FOI request to the NHS to the NHS which was passed to Public Health England as to how covid is spread.

Regardless of whether your income is secure, you can’t escape the impact of lockdown. Leisure activities such as travel, theatres, sporting events, concerts, pubs, gyms and restaurants are not available. There are restrictions who you can see. Even if your livelyhood is secure, you are bound to have relatives and friends who have lost their livelyhoods.

If you question the current narrative, you will find numerous examples of things which don’t add up. We are constantly being bombarded with the message we are in a deadly pandemic. If this is the case, why do we see no evidence of this. We don’t see people dying in droves, people surviving but becoming severely ill and if it wasn’t for the hysteria generated by the media, internent and governments, you wouldn’t notice a pandemic. Everyone around me is completely healthy There are numerous issues raised with masks. If masks are essential protection, why were governments late in making them compulsory. The Welsh government didn’t make masks compulsory in shops until the 14th of September. Why are masks not being tested if we are breathing a dangerous and contagious virus into them?

292815 ▶▶ Stella Talbot, replying to Ceriain, 37, #87 of 1934 🔗

It’s because they’re normies. We all know them. Their lives have gone reasonably smoothly up to now. They have no reason to think they should doubt either the Government or the media. They either laugh at or despise the people they think are conspiracy theorists. Nothing in their lives has ever given them cause to look behind the curtain. For them everything is normal, normal, normal . . . . . However, like the proverbial boiling frogs they have absolutely no clue what is going on. I think they’re in for a little bit of a shock. Don’t you?

292937 ▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to Stella Talbot, 6, #88 of 1934 🔗

They will. Economic Armageddon will find a way of catching up with them.

292858 ▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to Ceriain, 28, #89 of 1934 🔗

That’s also what’s baffled me throughout this crisis. As someone who did an education & history degree in a third world university, we were always taught that aspects of education in the developed world were superior to ones in the developing world. Of course this was in the mid to late 1990s.

Fast forward to when I moved here in 2004, I gradually realised that what I was told about education in the developed world was only true up to a certain point. Not to mention that having spoke to a lot of people here, the general consensus was education had began to deteriorate from the 2000s.

So we see that with many of the millenials especially who gravitate towards soundbites, simplistic binary thinking, lack of knowledge in the basics (because they’ve not been taught) and lack of over all curiosity. Hence why they bought into all of the propaganda wholesale.

However that doesn’t explain the older people who swallowed the propaganda whole. With their “superior” education, one would have they would have been better placed to be in Vernon Coleman’s words to “distrust the government, avoid mass media and to fight the lies.” However I don’t really see that either. I suspect a lot of it is to do with many of them having cosseted lifestyles, can afford to take financial hits, have not had to put up with a lot of crap in their lives or are possibly much more trusting of what they see and read. I also think that many of them being parents and grandparents have been scared into submission because of the threats that they won’t see their family again or that they can harm them.

As for me, I’ve long been a cynical git. Not helped by parents who tried their best in raising us but with so many mixed messages that I have long ceased not to trust them either. If you can’t trust your family 100% then I seriously doubt that you will trust anyone else much less the government.

293494 ▶▶▶ Victoria, replying to Bart Simpson, 3, #90 of 1934 🔗

Great post. So true

294344 ▶▶▶ Vannnie, replying to Bart Simpson, #91 of 1934 🔗

I’m a cynical git too

292859 ▶▶ SweetBabyCheeses, replying to Ceriain, 8, #92 of 1934 🔗

Fear of death. It’s a pretty base instinct. I’d say it’s also the main reason we have religions and look at all the otherwise intelligent people that have faith in them still?

293589 ▶▶▶ Binra, replying to SweetBabyCheeses, #93 of 1934 🔗

You have faith in your own opinion but otherwise have some intelligent ideas.
If you meet fear of death, you may refine and grow new perspectives.

Basic instinct serves the physical response to serve the function of supporting your life. But the subordination of life to base instinct is living from a fear defined and determined sense of self and world. Faith in the body as a means of protection from Intimacy unmasked is so normalised to equate life exclusively with the virtual adaptation to the body’s needs and appetites as the function and fulfilment of life – that of course is no more effective than a vaccination – but once invested you have to further invest unless the absolute failure of such a racket reveals in pain and loss.

Because the mind can mask in anything, be it rationally presented scientific theory, presumed fact, or symbolically expressed mythic narratives, (that held the living cultural intelligence of your forbears within any current living generation) – I don’t regard your edict of judgement upon religions as anything but a declaration of ignorance. However, there is no shame in our starting place, in the context of a genuine desire to know the truth or accept its revealing to your awareness.

If an ‘intelligence’ must put down others so as to demonstrate or invite collusion to an elitism of its own smug superiority, then no matter how ingenious it may develop the means to protect its bubble against a real relationship, it has shared and grown nothing of any worth.
A living death, fears life.

292910 ▶▶ Mabel Cow, replying to Ceriain, 54, #94 of 1934 🔗

I think we’re looking along the wrong dimension.

The issue isn’t about intelligence, it’s about locus of control .

People with an internal locus of control believe that they own actions control their fate, whereas people with an external locus of control believe that their fate is controlled by the actions of others .

I suggest that the government-believing, pro-lockdown contingent have an external locus of control and so allow other people to make their decisions for them. They love the restrictions because it frees them from having to decide for themselves.

The visitors to Lockdown Sceptics vary by education, academic intelligence, and political affiliation, but the thing that unites us is that we all have an internal locus of control. We make up our own minds and don’t just follow the official diktats. It doesn’t take much academic intelligence to realise we are being conned, it just requires a predisposition to taking responsibility for your own life.

Just my two Britishistan kopeks.

292919 ▶▶▶ AN other lockdown sceptic, replying to Mabel Cow, 4, #95 of 1934 🔗

Like it. Makes a lot of sense.

292974 ▶▶▶ Quernus, replying to Mabel Cow, 12, #96 of 1934 🔗

Yep, totally agree with that analysis. Those who have always questioned things, followed their own path, done their own thing, have not drunk the Koolaid.

292978 ▶▶▶ Two-Six, replying to Mabel Cow, 17, #97 of 1934 🔗

Our problem is the locusts of control
a fucking plague of them

292991 ▶▶▶▶ Mabel Cow, replying to Two-Six, 10, #98 of 1934 🔗

Locusts of control . Like it. 😀

293011 ▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to Mabel Cow, 7, #99 of 1934 🔗

Agree with this. Hence why there’s authoritarianism because people are simply programmed to get along with everything that’s decided for them for an easy life and a way to weasel out should things go wrong.

293069 ▶▶▶ Sue, replying to Mabel Cow, 5, #100 of 1934 🔗

makes a lot of sense to me.
I think those with an ‘external’ locus of control will have a different opinion of their masters (i.e. government) with their tax raids of their savings and pensions to pay for this extravagant show!

293762 ▶▶▶▶ Exiled off mainstreet, replying to Sue, 3, #101 of 1934 🔗

The masters will keep kicking the can down the road as long as possible, but eventually something will crack.

293152 ▶▶▶ Robin, replying to Mabel Cow, 9, #102 of 1934 🔗

I guess that most of us understand the Robert Frost poem: ‘The Road Not Taken’ which ends with the lines: “Two roads diverged in a wood, and I –

I took the one less traveled by,

And that has made all the difference.”

293620 ▶▶▶ sam, replying to Mabel Cow, 4, #103 of 1934 🔗

i’m so glad my wonderful mom always told me ‘ you make your own luck’

293622 ▶▶▶ Judymilne, replying to Mabel Cow, 7, #104 of 1934 🔗

So true Mabel. I don’t know anyone who is truly a sceptic, they seem quite content to be locked down and be masked. It’s something I find astonishing and worrying. Way back in Feb/March I said it was a scam, so you can imagine the reaction I got way back then.

293633 ▶▶▶ Binra, replying to Mabel Cow, #105 of 1934 🔗

Or the focus as control which is coercive.
The action reaction of inner and outer can set up another division from what I might call the Cartesian split – though it runs way back when.
Command is the nature of a true decision. No need to invoke will-power to coerce yourself to think or do what is your true will.

But in principle I agree except I use different terms and see responsibility for our conscious experience as key.
Blaming our life on ‘It’ or ‘Them’ gives power away and sets the ‘answers’ in external terms, that only multiply the problem we may temporarily believe will ‘save us’ from what is ultimately ourself.

294351 ▶▶▶ Vannnie, replying to Mabel Cow, #106 of 1934 🔗

Absolutely right.

293019 ▶▶ Burlington, replying to Ceriain, 25, #107 of 1934 🔗

I am stunned by the number of my friends I thought were intelligent rational thinkers who are so resistant to any conversation about lock-downs, the virus, masks or vaccines. Any hint of the conversation turning in that direction and the shutters immediately come down,
Its irrational and very worrying.

Perhaps there is something in the water supply?

293193 ▶▶▶ Binra, replying to Burlington, #108 of 1934 🔗

‘More than my job is worth’ running directly on existential fear.
Peer support or social inclusion is so much more than we like to think – because we like to think we are independent, in control, thinking beings, and even ‘free’!
Lies that we SEEM to live by, can only run in place of true relationship by being ‘shared’. This by definition generates an exclusion, pact, clique or segregative agreement NOT to openly say, know or accept the disclosure of the lies that are effecting a cover story for mistakes that grew out of all proportion to become hidden sins. Most have little or no rational sense of this, because most are using rationalisations to mask over and evade directly knowing what they need to turn a blind eye to, in order to ‘live with themselves’.
If you do not align in such a directive, you break the pact, contract, clique or hidden set of mutual conditions that set the terms under which life is allowed to move or communicate or share. As those conditions have been openly tightened or contracted to a new set of commandments, the pretences have to be openly asserted and masked in – no matter what.
The existential guilt and fear takes different form and pattern – but its demands are the sacrifice of love and life truly lived and shared.
He who would save his own life shall lose it – because salvation from fear is the restoring to love of life truly lived and shared.
This is truly having and being, but the fear of dispossession and exposure to humiliation and invalidation, is to ‘have not’ – which by its drive to GET, loses even the little that it has.
I see the recognition of the need for true foundation – in place of a driven insanity seeking limitation and control – is the honesty to true need recognised – and this is the turnaround or ‘bottoming out’.
Extending love to another is the recognition of their being, not the reinforcement of their narrative beliefs or presentations. There is a learning in how to not react as if our salvation depends upon countering or correcting their errors – which only feeds the mindset of error.

293204 ▶▶▶ Spikedee1, replying to Burlington, 10, #109 of 1934 🔗

I have found it’s not really intelligence it’s more where you get your news and how much of a believer you are in that news. It all sounded wrong to me because of the over reaction on the BBC and MSM. WE have had viruses before so why lockdown. This made me curious and I started investigating other news providers. I heard Delores Cahill, and thought mmmm! I started looking for other like minded people and found Toby. Then I heard Peter Hitchens on talk radio and thought, hmmm, these people are saying what I am thinking so I can’t be bonkers. Then I found all the other sites LS heard the GBD, saw Mike Yeardon. I started spreading the word and turned the vast majority of my friends except one. My wife’s best friend who I am not allowed to preach to as she is a confirmed bedwetter. It will end up with her not liking me!! Hey ho! So I don’t think it’s intelligence, I think it is mistrust and curiosity.

293503 ▶▶▶▶ Binra, replying to Spikedee1, -1, #110 of 1934 🔗

The Israeli Intelligence had or perhaps still has a process of 1 in 10 acting devil’s advocate, as a means to avoid groupthink which is a dissociating blindness leading to failure of intelligence and negative consequence.
The instilling OF groupthink to captured assets and proxies is the denial of freedom of thought under a narrative dictate, demand or crusade.

This takes the targeted profile of guilt, shame, fear and masking defence, into a marketised and weaponised systemic control. (Welcome to the Machine)

All elitist control structures set narratives by which to protect their interests – that their own narrative justifies as in the nations, corporation, group or relationships interest. This is the reversal of mind to predate upon rather than participate within, relational existence – from an alien-ated and exclusive sense of self-interest set as if a mind set over and apart from a life denied and dissociated from – and yet entirely dependent on.

A story can also be seen as a spell or offer of entrancement. Invested identity runs in the frame provided.

“Give me the storyteller to every central banker’s mind and I care not who runs the world” – to adapt an already adapted phrase. Perhaps I overreach here – but my point is that those who employ spells of mind manipulation are not as free to be, as such thinking suggests, unless withdrawing from the narrative of which they are no less invisibly conformed, to a life and world they clearly hate – (or else would not seek to possess, control and destroy it and others to remake all their own image-worship).

On the other hand there is now a theme of ‘how do we wake the sleeping?
I suggest we don’t and cannot OF ourselves impose upon or change the will of another, but that the intent and attempt entangles us in a negative self-reinforcing loop,
But in attending to the living and witnessing to alignment and unselfconscious extension of life, we serve the conditions that support freedom of being – as the perspective from which sane choice corrects mistaken and persisted investments.
This is to say we are not as awake or in truth healed or whole if we must convert or save the minds of others, in order to be vindicated.

As I wrote that I saw the similarity with the vaccine as ‘religion’ that has to not only ongoingly sacrifice to a prop of protection, but demand it of all others so as to eradicate doubt.

Recognising the psychic-emotional patterns is a function of expanding intelligence, rather than extending patterns of which we are unknowingly conformed and condemned to repeat.

293543 ▶▶▶ JanMasarykMunich, replying to Burlington, 5, #111 of 1934 🔗

Many interesting and thoughtful replies on here to this central and deeply baffling question. But I still cannot really get my head around the phenomenon. It frequently makes me wonder about my own sceptical position (though rationally I am pretty sure I am right).

Some thoughts:

In reply to Burlington. This ‘shuttering down’ may indicate some kind of cognitive dissonance on their part, which is a good sign for us sceptics.

I have a feeling many are adopting stances purely on what they see as ‘moral’ grounds (saving just one life, protecting vulnerable, etc, etc) and then simply using their ‘intelligence’ to find arguments for their stance. In a sense this merely restates the problem, but the response on the part of student (when faced with ‘inconvenient’ info) at the end of this piece is interesting.

Certainly, people in the West generally are not sceptical enough. My wife grew up in communist Czechoslovakia, so — as she says — it comes quite naturally to her to distrust the authorities/media, etc/ She is deeply disappointed with the West, but she is much better psychologically prepared than me to deal with PTB lying to her. The historical betrayal of Munich also makes many Czechs wary of what someone called ‘the former democracies of Western Europe’. Long-term cultural factors mean Czechs are one of the most sceptical/cynical nations in general, and specifically seem to be one of the most sceptical toward vaccines (including covid).

293627 ▶▶▶ sam, replying to Burlington, 1, #112 of 1934 🔗

fluoride !

294356 ▶▶▶▶ Vannnie, replying to sam, 1, #113 of 1934 🔗

It isn’t added to much of the UK water supply. Must be something else?

294499 ▶▶▶▶▶ sam, replying to Vannnie, #114 of 1934 🔗

you a re very lucky there . american here, they like to posion us here . i too don’t understand how so many people can believe all this . don’t know what i’d do without lockdown sceptics

293117 ▶▶ Eliza P., replying to Ceriain, 6, #115 of 1934 🔗

Still pondering this question a few hours later. I think maybe many intelligent people are getting the income one would assume they are (ie a decent one) and chances are in a more secure job and they just don’t come across people suffering the bad effects of Lockdown (ie job loss/lack of necessary health care/etc) and so don’t quite believe it. It’s maybe a case of “I’m all right Jack/Jill”. Can’t speak for other countries – but Britain is very much a country still of people moving very much only within their own little circles/”birds of a feather flock together”. I know I would have struggled to believe unemployment, for instance, was something that could happen to someone like myself until it came to the 1980s and it did and I still couldnt/cant understand it – because those were the days of dole queues and I had to line up to sign on and I never ever ever spotted anyone in those queues that “looked like me”. Don’t know if there were others like me signing on – but I looked less likely to grab for “any job regardless” (as I was single/paying rent at the time/etc) and perhaps they had an unofficial list of “people whose will we need to break – as they seem to be stronger people” and I got deliberately lumped into a queue with no-one remotely like me for fellow feeling/commiseration so that I would feel very isolated (I did…)?? Point being – maybe there’s a bit of an element now of finding ways to isolate the “more intelligent – that have done better from being that way” from everyone else so their eyes don’t get opened to just how awful an effect Lockdown is having on many people and they can continue living in their own little “I’m all right Jack” world?

I’m managing okay now at a financial level – but I’m in a poorer area now and I’m someone that chats to “anyone and everyone” and I do get told of the material effects on other people in this.

293927 ▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Eliza P., 1, #116 of 1934 🔗

A lot of sense in what you say!

293136 ▶▶ Binra, replying to Ceriain, -5, #117 of 1934 🔗

Intelligence is predicated upon what?
Intelligence can be assigned to those considered insane or possessed of evil intent.
The issue then is not the capacity or ability of the mind, but its assigned and assumed active purpose. Garbage in; garbage out doesn’t just apply to Ferguson’s modelling career! But if garbage is needed as a pretext for private gain or evading private loss, then, intelligence is assigned the task of presenting such a masking agenda and fronting it out. If the private agenda equates itself with the public good, then all lies become noble or necessary leverage towards a perceived good or lesser evil – relative to an ongoing situation of impending threat to private agenda, that is perceived as the greater evil against which all resources and abilities are aligned, but which cannot be openly acknowledged, for disclosure of the true account is the greater evil associated with fear of pain of loss of power as both ‘face’ and ‘control’.

A corrupted and dissociated sense of self is masked from self-honesty, as the attempt to control the results, so as to hide the conflict by redefining its world as the justification for persisting as narratives of controlm evasion and shifting predicates asserted as if a continuity.

Within a ‘normal’ world of mutually agreed conditioning, the agreements are essentially invisibly structured as the ‘world’ or reality in which we live. Those in a bubble self and world perceive the reinforcements and proofs that represent their survival – as set in such an unconscious or subconsciously operating structure of identified definitions and beliefs. The nature of the drive for a bubbled or masked off sense of self and world is driven to maintain itself as the action and reaction of a sense of self set over conflict.

The need for mutual reinforcement will override all else , because there is no support in reality for invested self-illusion – excepting its revelation as a lack of substance or untrue.

The world as a narrative construct of human image, meaning, modelling, predictions and controls is a ‘House of Cards’ too big to fail – but lacking true foundation or conflicted as a result of corruptions and adulterations of a true Currency that effect a dissociated bubble reality that runs destructive to conservation of worth, as well as to creative and expansive endeavour.

The thinking within the solution being ‘rolled out’ is fear-defined, fear driven and fear managing. There is no love in it. Can a machine intelligence be anything but a programming of templated programming – no matter how fitted to ‘learning’ as a quantised systemic modelling and control system?

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293623 ▶▶▶ SweetBabyCheeses, replying to Binra, 4, #118 of 1934 🔗

Are you a real person?! Your preachings sound like one of those AI systems programmed to sound like they make sense but don’t actually mean anything!

Perhaps it’s just a ruse to make us think that your critical reasoning is on an even higher plane than a bunch of seasoned skeptics.

294359 ▶▶▶▶ Vannnie, replying to SweetBabyCheeses, 2, #119 of 1934 🔗

I’ve given up trying to understand Binra’s posts. I’m sure they’re meaningful, but they make my head hurt. They remind me of the books I and my peers were told to read before starting our Architecture degree…

293320 ▶▶ sam, replying to Ceriain, 2, #120 of 1934 🔗

me too cant understand it ,maybe they arent actually intellgient after all, or else have no morals or are somewhat intellgient but are sheep and never think for themselves [i like real sheep better ]. i found one more friend who is a sceptic so am happier than had been but most are still sheep

293720 ▶▶ Ceriain, replying to Ceriain, 3, #121 of 1934 🔗

Thank you all so much for an extremely interesting discussion. I rarely see this anywhere else on the internet.

I’m immensely grateful for your replies. 🙂

294360 ▶▶▶ Vannnie, replying to Ceriain, 3, #122 of 1934 🔗

Yes, I feel like I’m in a room with “like-minded” people – which makes a change these days!

293789 ▶▶ ogri, replying to Ceriain, 4, #123 of 1934 🔗

The ‘very intelligent people’ will consider themselves as ‘experts’ in their own fields and will expect to be listened to and believed. Therefore when another ‘expert’ says something, the ‘very intelligent person’ will believe them without question. In their view anyone who dares to question an ‘expert’ is not very intelligent.

294362 ▶▶▶ Vannnie, replying to ogri, 3, #124 of 1934 🔗

However, the “very intelligent people” who are SAGE members (there’s an oxymoron if ever I saw one) aren’t prepared to debate with those who, to me, are more “very intelligent people” such as Dr Mike Yeadon, Dr Carl Heneghan, Dr Clare Craig etc…why is that?

293795 ▶▶ Cristi.Neagu, replying to Ceriain, 5, #125 of 1934 🔗

They may be intelligent, but they’re low information actors. They have no interest in spending hours reading what there is to read on the subject, listening to experts. What they see is a government faced with a crisis, with tens of thousands of people dying, and high profile doctors and experts predicting thousands of deaths a day if we don’t do something.

Which is all true, actually. A quick glance and papers, and society, and people’s testimonies will confirm it. Most people would stop there, calling the evidence overwhelming. But they don’t dig further to see that while the government is facing a crisis, it’s a crisis of their own doing. They don’t dig further to see that even though tens of thousands of people died, very few of them died of this thing, and tens of thousands of people die every year of respiratory diseases anyways (and they won’t hesitate to call you insensitive for saying that). And they won’t spend a moment at all the other high profile doctors and experts that prove the government wrong.

As Hitler himself said, build a lie big enough such that no one believes anyone “could have the impudence to distort the truth so infamously”. It’s a lie that runs deep, one that you have to work hard in order to find its roots. And corporate news and social media have made it very hard to dig.

TL;DR: They can’t be arsed to look into it.

292679 Judy Watson, replying to Judy Watson, 3, #126 of 1934 🔗

OOPs third today – falling down the league table!!!

293076 ▶▶ Sue, replying to Judy Watson, 1, #127 of 1934 🔗

judy you were obviously having too good a time in the pubs of phuket!! 🙂
Ohh how i wish i were in thailand – not necessarily phuket (where i think you’re based) as it was way too touristy for me, but right now i think i’d settle even for that to get away from here!

293213 ▶▶▶ Spikedee1, replying to Sue, #128 of 1934 🔗

I’d settle for a San Miguel on the beach in benidorm.

292680 The Walrus, replying to The Walrus, 65, #129 of 1934 🔗

The resistance to the use of cheap and proven safe and effective therapeutics such as Vitamin D, Ivermectin and HCQ in this epidemic has been one of numerous mysteries that has cost many lives. Still the Government is not following the evidence on this

This is not a mystery at all. Clearly it is being done to prolong the “pandemic” and prop up the demand for a vaccine. The virus already is barely deadly enough to warrant a vaccine, especially an untested one. Cheap, effective, therapeutics would certainly make a vaccine moot. None of the measures enacted since last March have been about saving lives but about pushing the vaccine on us.

292697 ▶▶ William Gruff, replying to The Walrus, 48, #130 of 1934 🔗

There is no need whatsoever for a vaccine. The creation of a ‘pandemic’ is simply evidence of the extent to which Big Pharma has corrupted our political class and the civil servants who are supposed to give them impartial advice.

292963 ▶▶ PastImperfect, replying to The Walrus, 15, #131 of 1934 🔗

HCQ was available over the counter in France until February when it was quietly withdrawn.

294368 ▶▶▶ Vannnie, replying to PastImperfect, #132 of 1934 🔗

In March, Dr Malcolm Kendrick said in his blog that he’d tried to get some supplies for the GP practice where he works, but was told that they weren’t able to get it as they didn’t want supplies to run out for those with RA and lupus who took it routinely!

293028 ▶▶ Victoria, replying to The Walrus, 12, #133 of 1934 🔗

These things are too cheap compared to pharmaceutical drugs it is all about the money and NOTHING to do with health

294365 ▶▶ Vannnie, replying to The Walrus, 2, #134 of 1934 🔗

On that point about vitamin D, why is it that other countries have been promoting it to their citizens and yet our darling Matt Hancock told us porkies a few weeks ago about there having been studies done on it here, and it didn’t show any benefit? They really must think we, the public, are utterly stupid!

294590 ▶▶▶ Matt Dalby, replying to Vannnie, #135 of 1934 🔗

An overlooked fact about vitamin D is that BAME people are more likely to be defficent as the body produces it in the precence of sunlight and people of non European heritage have darker skin that blocks out sunlight. Not the whole reason why deaths amoung the BAME community are higher than average but possibly a factor. No one wants to investigate this because they can’t use genetics to make a political point. Far more woke to blame systemic racism and much easier because you don’t need to provide evydence to back up claims that are woke.

294575 ▶▶ Matt Dalby, replying to The Walrus, 1, #136 of 1934 🔗

Another mystery surrounding HCQ is why in March the British Government (and others such as India) placed it on the list of drugs that it doesn’t grant export licences for.
http://www.pharmaceutical-technology.com/comment/parallel-export-covid-19 .
Presumably they were stockpiling, so why wasn’t it used.
My theory is that at the time the evidence for it’s effectiveness was good but not conclusive. Once Trump said that it worked nobody wanted to be seen to agree with him, so researchers didn’t do more studies and journals wouldn’t publish papers that showed it’s effectiveness. At the time papers such the guardian ran stories claiming that it was ineffective, and certainely no media organisation would dare to campaign for it’s use and be seen to agree with Trump. Lack or research meant that regulatory body didn’t have enough evidence to licence it’s use, plus there was the aticle in one of the top medical journals that showed it didn’t work that was trumpeted by the media. It was later withdrawn when it turned out that the company that supplied the data was run by a sci-fi writer and a porn star.
Basically, by saying it worked Trump prevented it’s use.
The fact that researchers etc. put their hatred of Trump and desire to be woke by not giving him credability ahead of saving lives is shocking, but sadly it doesn’t suprise me.

292682 Cecil B, replying to Cecil B, 85, #137 of 1934 🔗

We are told that yesterday there were a further 616 covid deaths

How can that possibly be so?

In a ‘normal’ year there are about 1,700 deaths a day

Are we to believe that there were 2,316 deaths yesterday?

When the figures for the total deaths yesterday are eventually announced will they be around the 1,700 mark?

If the total deaths are about 1,700 then there is no pandemic

What we have is a fraudemic

But I guess we knew that all along

292713 ▶▶ annie, replying to Cecil B, 45, #138 of 1934 🔗

If course it’s a fraud. But the Covid corpse count is the H-bomb of the Fascists’. campaign against humanity, and they have no scruples about dropping it.

292715 ▶▶▶ Elisabeth, replying to annie, 7, #139 of 1934 🔗

You hit the nail on the head

292728 ▶▶ Mark H, replying to Cecil B, 35, #140 of 1934 🔗

The spike in excess deaths in April was manufactured by clearing hospitals and sending CV19+ patients into care homes. That’s the only data point that matters to the powers-that-be.

294374 ▶▶▶ Vannnie, replying to Mark H, #141 of 1934 🔗

Dr Malcolm Kendrick said that care home workers where he practised were told specifically NOT to use PPE back then. Seems strange, unless you start to believe it was part of the plan

292789 ▶▶ stewart, replying to Cecil B, 39, #142 of 1934 🔗

AND they are going to get rid of an epidemic of a disease that practically shows no symptoms with a vaccine that doesn’t stop infections but instead – get ready for it – reduces the symptoms.

What a con job.

292862 ▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to Cecil B, 14, #143 of 1934 🔗

Indeed we do. But the majority are still asleep and it makes you wonder what will it take to make them realise that they’ve been had.

294375 ▶▶▶ Vannnie, replying to Bart Simpson, 2, #144 of 1934 🔗

Sadly, they may find out post-vaccination…

292908 ▶▶ thinkaboutit, replying to Cecil B, 6, #145 of 1934 🔗

I’m too lazy to look closely but I’ve got the feeling that deaths on a Tuesday are always numerous. It might be an artefact of data collection, given that some figures are not reported over the weekend.

293096 ▶▶▶ karenovirus, replying to thinkaboutit, 4, #146 of 1934 🔗

5 were reported for the County on Monday but it turns out they died on various days going back to mid November.

293216 ▶▶ djaustin, replying to Cecil B, #147 of 1934 🔗

Deaths in England and Wales on Week 48 (most recent data) were 26% above historic mean levels for the time of year. Normally in Week 48 we would see about 9900 deaths (10-year range was 9203 to 10958). this year we saw 12456. That’s 1498 more than the previous highest value (214/day) and 2556 more than normal (365/day).

294372 ▶▶ Vannnie, replying to Cecil B, #148 of 1934 🔗

Most people don’t seem to realise how many people die in a normal year in the winter. As for the “Covid deaths” we keep hearing about on MSM, we all know that they may just be those with Covid mentioned on the death certificate, not necessarily that they died of it, or they had a positive PCR test (for what that’s worth!) in the previous 28 days. Whenever I see them announce, “xxx people have sadly died today of Covid” I really, really want to smash the TV

292684 Allen, replying to Allen, 91, #149 of 1934 🔗

A (mRNA) vaccine against a cold/flu virus that is not tested properly for years is a bit dangerous wouldn’t you say?

All (pseudo)-vaccines made for the computer modelled Covid are in fact forms of gene-therapy. CanSino, Johnson, Oxford and Zeneca uses a living GMO virus bearing the Covid-spike gene.

Pfizer and others uses messenger RNA. ALL are forms of gene-therapy.

Sorry folks but this is a “live-trialed” human experimentation that has been launched done by some of the most devious profiteers to ever walk the earth.

The social engineering and mental/emotional manipulation that has been applied to humanity over the last 9 months is as diabolical as anything I have seen.

The physical damage that is going to be done to people over the next 6 months is going to be significant. The damage, both psychologically and physically, to millions in these last 9 months is beyond measure.

The vaccination campaign is irrefutably constitutive of a medical experiment, since its innovative character means that strictly no one can know the consequences for the populations that would be subjected to this experiment and that it is widely scientifically documented that many vaccines produce multiple effects secondary and disabling or fatal vaccine accidents.

Medical experiments are framed in international criminal law by the Nuremberg Code, of the strictest interpretation: a number of doctors were sentenced to death in 1947 for violating the principles of this Code, internationally recognized since that time.
In light of the information available to date, no citizen can be in a position of free and informed consent to the “Covid-19” vaccination which is being utilized by various institutions.

Thus, the fact for any doctor, nurse or any person who would participate in any act or attempted act of vaccination with one of the “Covid-19” vaccines currently being promoted would be in a position of committing a medical experiment in violation of the Nuremberg Code and should be held accountable as such.

What we are immersed in historically are crimes against humanity.

292700 ▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Allen, 5, #150 of 1934 🔗

Is Vaccinated Margaret still with us ?

292793 ▶▶ stewart, replying to Allen, 9, #151 of 1934 🔗

If the vaccine is harmful.
But if it isn’t, it’s merely a giant con job.

292845 ▶▶ Ben, replying to Allen, 7, #152 of 1934 🔗

I’m terribly worried about some elderly relatives, people I love, having this rushed indemnified experimental vaccine. I hope people do their research first

A depressingly surreal and anxious time




293513 ▶▶ sam, replying to Allen, 1, #153 of 1934 🔗

thank you allen for this so well said and written. i love reading about world war two and this is like being back there . the medical experiments, the brainwashing . churchill is my hero. wish he was here now

294594 ▶▶ Matt Dalby, replying to Allen, #154 of 1934 🔗

Since the vaccine has undergone short term testing and been shown to be safe in the short term, the physical damage it may do to people won’t start to show up for at least 6 months and it will be at least a year before the evidence becomes conclusive. Presumably by the time it turns out to be unsafe everyone in the country who wants it will have had it.

292685 wendyk, replying to wendyk, 38, #155 of 1934 🔗

Life in Saor Alba: we’re being moved into Tier3 on the 11th: whoopee! House arrest-lite, all thanks to Holyrood.

A maskademic is spreading here; now worn in the fresh air, along with plastic space helmets.

Gags are now to be seen pulled down below the nose as the faithful balance the need for O2 against public obedience.

Being the only obvious lanyard wearer, I’m now treated to glares, stares and swerves.

What a depressingly mindless cultish dystopia we now have here, and as for the etiquette guide! How much did this latest piece of self righteous mind numbing guff cost?

To add to my dismay and alienation, rumour has it that the SNP now operates an opponents list, some MSPs apparently now refusing to represent heretics.

Verily, we are soon to be cast into outer darkness by the Independence Inquisitors; time is running out for the opposition to build an effective and cogent movement. Appeasement merely feeds the beast.

292717 ▶▶ annie, replying to wendyk, 30, #156 of 1934 🔗

One’s mind simply boggles.
However, on various visits to Scotland before the bollox, I was struck by the big-brother cult that was already evident in numerous small details. Like the notices in public lavatories exhorting people to phone the police if they could smell cigarette smoke coming from another cubicle. Or the absolute prohibition on drink-driving that made me so popular with friends, because I don’t drink alcohol in the evenings.
Maybe it’s the lingering legacy of Calvinism. In a Calvinist community, rigid surveillance was the norm, and dobbing the neighbours a way of life.

292726 ▶▶▶ wendyk, replying to annie, 20, #157 of 1934 🔗

It’s control creep Annie and seemingly unstoppable. I still can’t understand why so many folk just go along with it.

Many whom I’ve spoken to since the madness started ,have confided their loathing of the cult and The Leader, but they’re reluctant to speak out:( worries about enforced redundancy and cancelling understandable, but we need opposition to manifest at next year’s ballot box).

The Hate Crime bill poses a real threat to even the privacy of one’s own home.

The fact that all this is done in the name of equality and social justice renders it even more distasteful.

As to the £500 pay out shenanigans; senior doctors have displayed some backbone, dismissing it as an embarassment which they do not need.

But the Nats pick yet another utterly pointless unfounded fight with Westminster over taxation of said bonus, which turns out, on balance, to be regressive, rather than progressive, as with the sanitary towels and tampons free for all.

Why let fiscal facts get in the way of another confected grievance?

292762 ▶▶▶ Waldorf, replying to annie, 2, #158 of 1934 🔗

I think it is Calvinism.

292868 ▶▶▶▶ Ed Phillips, replying to Waldorf, #159 of 1934 🔗

Why not? It gets blamed for most things.

292853 ▶▶ Stella Talbot, replying to wendyk, 2, #160 of 1934 🔗

Alba sounds about as “saor” as Eire, which is completely un saor.

292866 ▶▶▶ wendyk, replying to Stella Talbot, 1, #161 of 1934 🔗

Quite right; I use it ironically,as it is now favoured by our rulers

292975 ▶▶▶▶ kf99, replying to wendyk, 3, #162 of 1934 🔗

And Alba from the same root as Albion from the old name for the island of Great Britain . I think Neil Oliver pointed that one out

292873 ▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to wendyk, 10, #163 of 1934 🔗

If its true that some MSPs refuse to represent constituents who don’t toe the line then that’s disturbing.

I keep saying that Mr Bart & I always give thanks everyday that we have moved out of Scotland. And looks like its getting worse and worse, the likes of Adam Smith and David Hume must be rolling in their graves now.

I agree with Annie here, a lot of this is explained by Scotland’s ruthless conformist society back up by the Presbyterian/Calvinist ethos and small town mentality.

292935 ▶▶ arfurmo, replying to wendyk, 2, #164 of 1934 🔗

Who will eventually succeed St Nicola in Kim Jung style, please?

292987 ▶▶▶ kf99, replying to arfurmo, 1, #165 of 1934 🔗

Hasnt Mhairi Black been tipped? LGBT and a Gaelic name. What more could you want?

293010 ▶▶▶▶ wendyk, replying to kf99, 1, #166 of 1934 🔗

O Friend and mentor of Flow Job; what more could we ask for?!

293068 ▶▶▶▶ TheOriginalBlackPudding, replying to kf99, #167 of 1934 🔗

A brain, perhaps?

293006 ▶▶▶ wendyk, replying to arfurmo, 4, #168 of 1934 🔗

Not yet;we live in dread/hope. Michelle Ballantyne is an excellent MSP; formerly Conservative but now Independent,following her removal from the leadership contest.

We need a strong opposition; now. I wish Neil Oliver and Andrew Neil would stand,as they have the popularity, the reach and the influence.

294508 ▶▶▶▶ richard riewer, replying to wendyk, #169 of 1934 🔗

Listen to James Delingpole’s interview with Scot Jamie Blackett. He, too, is interested in changing the situation in Scotland.

293053 ▶▶ HelenaHancart, replying to wendyk, 2, #170 of 1934 🔗

Refusing to represent heretics? That’s discrimination, isn’t it? We’re a “minority group!”

293095 ▶▶▶ wendyk, replying to HelenaHancart, #171 of 1934 🔗

I’d like to think so, but an example has surfaced in Glasgow:


292686 RyanM, replying to RyanM, 36, #172 of 1934 🔗

The stance of the CDC is not reasonable, in spite of that statement. They say “face to face” learning, but it is nothing of the sort. Per their guidelines, full masking, strict distance, cancellation of virtually all activities and interaction. That’s not a school, it’s a trauma factory.

We are well and truly fucked. A national suicide.

292691 ▶▶ Lisa (formerly) from Toronto, replying to RyanM, 12, #173 of 1934 🔗

Make that international suicide, with the exception of China.

292701 ▶▶ Londo Mollari, replying to RyanM, 32, #174 of 1934 🔗

My teen grandson is well balanced but continually being told to hand wash and mask up in case he kills his granddad is getting to him and disturbing his sleep.

292707 ▶▶▶ Judy Watson, replying to Londo Mollari, 6, #175 of 1934 🔗

That is so very sad to hear. Lets hope it doesn’t become so ingrained he develps some form of OCD.

292718 ▶▶▶▶ annie, replying to Judy Watson, 5, #176 of 1934 🔗

What does his granddad thunk about it?

292764 ▶▶▶ Waldorf, replying to Londo Mollari, 9, #177 of 1934 🔗

The psychological toll of the BS is immense but unfortunately also hard to quantify. I bet suicides are going up, though.

292870 ▶▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to Waldorf, 4, #178 of 1934 🔗

Someone here posted a heartbreaking article about many farmers in India committing suicide because they can’t earn a living and have gone into massive debt trying to stay afloat.

293007 ▶▶▶▶▶ PastImperfect, replying to Bart Simpson, 3, #179 of 1934 🔗

Monsanto selling them GM seeds.

292781 ▶▶▶ Suze Burtenshaw, replying to Londo Mollari, 5, #180 of 1934 🔗

There’s a petition on Change to allow a schoolboy to be taught at school with a mask on. Apparently, the school won’t let him attend if he wears a muzzle. I had to read it twice.

292797 ▶▶▶▶ stewart, replying to Suze Burtenshaw, 9, #181 of 1934 🔗

Good for that school.

292805 ▶▶▶▶▶ Suze Burtenshaw, replying to stewart, 5, #182 of 1934 🔗

Yes, I thought that. I hope they don’t give in and let him wear a muzzle. I also felt sorry for the boy as he’s been brainwashed into believing the COVID rubbish.

292689 Londo Mollari, replying to Londo Mollari, 139, #183 of 1934 🔗

Sir Patrick Vallance can f***right off with his satanic mask wearing. I apologise for the profanity but this is getting a bit wearing.

292690 ▶▶ Cecil B, replying to Londo Mollari, 45, #184 of 1934 🔗

But it’s not just masks he is talking about

ALL the restrictions will remain

292698 ▶▶▶ chaos, replying to Cecil B, 24, #185 of 1934 🔗

Toby is going to look awfully silly when he starts commenting on the great reset. Even Delingpole is now properly one of us.

292722 ▶▶▶▶ annie, replying to chaos, 45, #186 of 1934 🔗

In that case I am not one of us.
Greed, hunger for power and mind-boggling stupidity on the part of rulers, and disgusting, cretinous cowardice on the part of the ruled, have got us where we are.

292751 ▶▶▶▶▶ TJN, replying to annie, 5, #187 of 1934 🔗

Yes, that’s about it.

I agree with you about alcohol in the evening by the way – best during the day, especially late afternoon, but mornings too if I have a cold.

292777 ▶▶▶▶▶ chaos, replying to annie, 12, #188 of 1934 🔗

yeah yeah.. build back better and ban cars and gas boilers and destroy jobs not deemed climate friendly.. vaccine id.. you are deluded, like Toby.

292830 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Eliza P., replying to chaos, 15, #189 of 1934 🔗

It struck me there is an inconsistency here re the idea of banning gas boilers – as I live in a more remote area (ie there’s lots of houses here heated with oil or calor gas and no-one has said a thing about banning that to my knowledge). But there’s no way I’m swopping my (pretty new – and I’m the one that paid for it) gas boiler central heating system over to an electric one. Reason a. They’d expect the cost of swopping to be borne by me b. Who would pay the extra costs of running an electric heating system? (Clue – it wouldnt be me and I’d refuse to be cold).

292909 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ chaos, replying to Eliza P., 11, #190 of 1934 🔗

I can barely afford to keep warm with gas…

292803 ▶▶▶▶▶ stewart, replying to annie, 19, #191 of 1934 🔗

You don’t think there’s a teency weency bit of nudging from certain mega influential people, some of whom might have a first name Bill, pushing for their vision of how the world might be better?

293616 ▶▶▶▶▶ Ben, replying to annie, 13, #192 of 1934 🔗

You have to ask why Belarus was offered a huge loan in exchange for imposing lockdown and restrictions and why every country is reading from the same script

293976 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Rowan, replying to Ben, 6, #193 of 1934 🔗

You might ask why indeed, but then again we already know the answer. We are in the midst of an epic global scam, against which only a handful of countries have shown firm resistance.

The long cherished dream of the global elites is for elimination of the great masses of the global population and the rollout of the Covid-19 vaccines is the engineered opportunity of a globalist lifetime. They will use it to their full advantage and we are now in a desperate fight for our very lives.

292699 ▶▶▶ Londo Mollari, replying to Cecil B, 46, #194 of 1934 🔗

By 2022 the economy will have collapsed. If shops are being closed (three in my small welsh hometown) due to false positive results and social isolating, what’s happening to critical infrastructure like power generation? What is going to happen, particularly if the cold weather persists for a longish period of time?

292706 ▶▶▶▶ wendyk, replying to Londo Mollari, 39, #195 of 1934 🔗

I’ve been raising the very same point for many weeks :the neglect of the many services and infrastructure necessary to maintain complex modern societies is beginning to show.

Fuel poverty is spreading, while the powers that be obsess about vaccinations and -up here- independence.

The SNP wields its magic wand while removing our freedom of speech, thought and movement.

Well paid secure movers and shakers blithely assure us that all is for the best in the best of all possible dystopian worlds, while Boris and fellow travellers make mad ,financially ruinous moves towards decarbonising the UK’s economy by switching off gas supplies.


292714 ▶▶▶▶ Elisabeth, replying to Londo Mollari, 27, #196 of 1934 🔗

That’s exactly what the trillionaire shadow government globalist whackjobs want. Get rid if 90% and enslave the rest

292876 ▶▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to Londo Mollari, 48, #197 of 1934 🔗

Neil Oliver made that point last week, the economy will suffer even more because people will go what’s the point of opening a new business or expanding an existing one if the government can decide at will to shut you down because of some crisis? This year sets a bad precedent and that’s why we have to keep fighting at all costs.

Otherwise there will be nothing left.

292721 ▶▶▶ annie, replying to Cecil B, 26, #198 of 1934 🔗

And ALL the restrictions will be ignored in this household.

293946 ▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Cecil B, 4, #199 of 1934 🔗

The masks are merely a symbol of all the other controls.

292692 ▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Londo Mollari, 40, #200 of 1934 🔗

So he hid away for three weeks plucking up the courage to announce this.
Haven’t worn them this year and won’t be wearing them next. Sorry to disappoint Pat. ⛔ 😷 ☠

292720 ▶▶▶ annie, replying to karenovirus, 44, #201 of 1934 🔗

Same here. They can fuck right off with their foul face nappies.
Carry on the Campaign for Real Human Beings.

293024 ▶▶▶▶ PastImperfect, replying to annie, 12, #202 of 1934 🔗

Campaign for Real Human Beings” – I like it.

293112 ▶▶▶▶ Thomas_E, replying to annie, 8, #203 of 1934 🔗

Love the slogan, we should get badges made, I would wear one proudly.

292704 ▶▶ R G, replying to Londo Mollari, 27, #204 of 1934 🔗

Once the 60+ cohort get the jab I think (hope) it’s over. Where there are no fines or goons on the door, lockdown is as good as done where I live and that’s in a town of retirees.

292791 ▶▶▶ Bella Donna, replying to R G, 7, #205 of 1934 🔗

It will never be over.

294046 ▶▶▶▶ IanE, replying to Bella Donna, 1, #206 of 1934 🔗

And, if it ever is, they will just increase the cycle threshold used for the PCR scam and re-start the fear pandemic!

292837 ▶▶▶ Eliza P., replying to R G, 19, #207 of 1934 🔗

I just hope you’re right and this madness stops at that point. Me – I’m over 60 and obviously won’t be having the jab – and am taking the precaution of making new friends from amongst younger people (gotta make sure I still have some friends – when my own agegroup start keeling over from the effects of the vaccine…).

292693 William Gruff, replying to William Gruff, 54, #208 of 1934 🔗

Begs the question: At what point will the scientific and medical advisers recognise that it is more important to let people get on with their lives and jobs?

Begs the question: when will Valance and Whitty be charged with whatever criminal offence covers causing unnecessary suffering and death for no good reason other than personal gain and be brought to trial?

Begs the question: what can be done to ensure that petty tyrants with known links to Big Pharma can never again bully a weak and incompetent Prime Minister into running the country for their benefit?

292719 ▶▶ annie, replying to William Gruff, 11, #209 of 1934 🔗

Not begs. Raises.
Pedants rise early.

292735 ▶▶▶ Ed Phillips, replying to annie, 3, #210 of 1934 🔗

Thank you. I wanted to say the same. 😉

292824 ▶▶▶ StevieH, replying to annie, 1, #211 of 1934 🔗

Exactly: “The fallacy of begging the question occurs when an argument’s premises assume the truth of the conclusion, instead of supporting it. In other words, you assume without proof the stand/position, or a significant part of the stand, that is in question. Begging the question is also called arguing in a circle.”

292847 ▶▶▶▶ William Gruff, replying to StevieH, 2, #212 of 1934 🔗

You shouldn’t rely on Wikipedia and should avoid quoting from the site, otherwise you risk showing yourself to be less clever than you want us to believe you are.

292996 ▶▶▶▶▶ D B, replying to William Gruff, 1, #213 of 1934 🔗

why, if it;s good enough for SAGE modelling it should be good enough for anything.

292983 ▶▶▶▶ Mabel Cow, replying to StevieH, #214 of 1934 🔗

Well, I appreciate the quote. Thank you, StevieH.

Here’s the article for those who want to read more.

292836 ▶▶▶ William Gruff, replying to annie, 1, #215 of 1934 🔗

Apart from the blindingly obvious, that I was playing on the form of the quote and I am happy to stick with ‘begs’, which is more than adequate and not incorrect, to be a pedant requires some relevant knowledge, which you clearly have not.

I should go back to bed sweetie, were I you.

293251 ▶▶▶ Mark, replying to annie, 10, #216 of 1934 🔗

In an attempt at out-pedanting, I’d have to raise the question of whether the usage applied is not actually just as well established, and perfectly acceptable in itself.

We all know that using “begs the question” probably arose in English from misapplying the original translation of the logical term, but I’d say it’s pretty likely it’s far more frequently used as here, with its apparent meaning, which in itself seems perfectly legitimate, than with it’s original meaning.

And because it’s actually inherently a legitimate use of “begs” as an intensifier of “calls for”, anyway, we don’t necessarily have to descend into the mire of prescriptive or descriptive.

And now I can post one of my favourite little cartoons again;

292695 chaos, 9, #217 of 1934 🔗
292705 Cecil B, replying to Cecil B, 46, #218 of 1934 🔗

How can the taxpayer funded Vallance be allowed to push a line which is palpably untrue and results in personal financial gain for himself?

292710 ▶▶ William Gruff, replying to Cecil B, 29, #219 of 1934 🔗

How can someone who is unelected and unaccountable have so much influence over the `Prime Minister?

292716 ▶▶▶ Barney McGrew, replying to William Gruff, 11, #220 of 1934 🔗

Because he’s saying what the Prime Minister wants to hear?

293150 ▶▶▶▶ Arkansas, replying to Barney McGrew, 1, #221 of 1934 🔗

Because they are all “the government” and in different ways are forwarding the government’s policies? Any apparent differences between them are down to varying opinions on presentational approach, are them jostling for prominence, or are just pure theatre.


293244 ▶▶▶▶ Spikedee1, replying to Barney McGrew, 1, #222 of 1934 🔗

He is that bloke in a crowd of clever people who does not want to be made to look stupid by asking a question he thinks they will laugh at. Like, what if we just stopped and went back to normal or if there is a pandemic, why are there not more dead people.

292723 Cheshire Andy, replying to Cheshire Andy, -3, #223 of 1934 🔗

Fascists? Whenever I see anyone mention this as the motivating ideology on here I switch off and get angry…….those who think this scam is fascist couldn’t be more wong. It’s the opposite and blaming fascism is just what they want you to think.

292724 ▶▶ Barney McGrew, replying to Cheshire Andy, 5, #224 of 1934 🔗

Just out of curiosity: what is the opposite of fascism?

Edit: just looked at some discussions on the WWW, and one of the defining elements of fascism, apparently, is ‘national chauvinism’. But… if you take it to its logical conclusion, the nation in question wants to take over the world (“nothing outside the state…”). Therefore, isn’t it true to say that fascism is ‘globalist’ rather than nationalist? Nationalism is just the stepping stone to world domination.

292757 ▶▶▶ chaos, replying to Barney McGrew, 6, #225 of 1934 🔗

and the melding of corporations/institutions and state e.g. WHO/UN/Davos members such as Goldman Sachs, Gates/Gavi.. techoncracy is fascism.

292759 ▶▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Barney McGrew, 5, #226 of 1934 🔗

Most forget that nationalism was originally a liberal ideal in favour of nation states rather than multi ethnic European Empires.

292816 ▶▶▶ StevieH, replying to Barney McGrew, 1, #227 of 1934 🔗

“National chauvinism” is a tautology.

293079 ▶▶ Two-Six, replying to Cheshire Andy, 7, #228 of 1934 🔗

It is fascism. The definition of Fascism is governmental roles being carried out by quasi private companies. That’s it. Nothing more nothing less. Fascism doesn’t have to mean goose stepping leather booted mass murderers with a snappy dress sense and having a good flag designer.

The current regime is a totalitarian fascist dictatorship. Nothing more nothing less.

293232 ▶▶▶ Mark, replying to Two-Six, 3, #229 of 1934 🔗

These smear terms have no clear and certain definition.

The current regime is a totalitarian fascist dictatorship

Not a dictatorship, clearly.

As for fascist, well as I noted you’d have to settle on a definition before you could debate that, and it would have to be a lot more detailed than the one you gave. Governmental roles have been carried out by private companies in every regime in the world except formally communist ones throughout history. Why it makes much difference who runs the immense organisations that crush the human spirit – a “capitalist” or a state apparatchik, I’ve never really understood.

Fwiw, I’d say this government’s philosophy is a lot closer to eco-socialist, in historical context, than any kind of opposite.

Totalitarian – now you have something think. Restrictions on speech, soon extending into the home, collectivist restrictions extending into every part of life, no effective limits on the power of the state.

293249 ▶▶▶▶ Two-Six, replying to Mark, 5, #230 of 1934 🔗

Our government is not currently a dictatorship? Looks like one to me.

293294 ▶▶▶▶▶ Mark, replying to Two-Six, 1, #231 of 1934 🔗

Then you’d have to explain what you mean by a dictatorship.

For me, it requires individual power not subject to constitutional controls or genuine election. There’s no evidence those conditions apply today. Johnson could be booted out tomorrow if enough MPs decided to do it, and notwithstanding dark claims often made here, there’s currently no reason to suppose elections won’t continue as before, in future.

That’s not to say I don’t have criticisms of the present situation, of course.

The longstanding British system has been described as an “elective dictatorship” because the PM has considerable power, provided he has the Commons behind him, but that imo is rather a rhetorical device. In any case, it’s certainly nothing new.

293932 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Two-Six, replying to Mark, 3, #232 of 1934 🔗

So how about the current rule by the cabal of 4, the closing of parliament empty most of the time with business being done on zoom or teams. How about having no recourse to anybody to complain about corona bollocks, how about all those 400+ Si’s brought in with no debate.
It looks like Boris the dictator to me.

I know what you are saying anyway. The academic approach.

293965 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Mark, 2, #233 of 1934 🔗

There is no Commons – in case you haven’t noticed. There are usually about six people in there and there is no debate whatsoever.

The first thing dePiffle did as PM was an attempt to prorogue Parliament. This year he effectively achieved his aim.

293501 ▶▶ Ben, replying to Cheshire Andy, 1, #234 of 1934 🔗

You could call it liberalism or neoliberalism unmasked but most people wouldn’t understand that. When corporations have the power to control and repress us, as we’re seeing now, it is closer to Mussolini’s description of fascism

292725 kh1485, replying to kh1485, 52, #235 of 1934 🔗

Oh dear, I had a bit of a set-to yesterday with a customer. I know, I’m meant to be all nicey-nicey because I am in hospitality but I feel I have a valid reason for the robust kick-back.

As he came to pay he jokingly asked how I was. So I did my usual “well, apart from living under a dictatorship in a dystopian nightmare, fine thanks”. He started laughing. I pointed out that our predicament was not funny and I was making a deadly serious point. He responded “Blimey, I shouldn’t have asked” And I thought “no pal, if you don’t want to hear an honest reply to a – rather stupid – question, no you shouldn’t have asked”

When, just when, are these idiots going to wake up to what has been done to us all?

On a happier note, a lot of my elderly customers have said they are going nowhere near the new wonder jab.

292729 ▶▶ wendyk, replying to kh1485, 19, #236 of 1934 🔗

A zealot friend and follower of Nicola’s every utterance has said she doesn’t want it, so, one very small step in the right direction.

For once we agreed.

292732 ▶▶▶ annie, replying to wendyk, 5, #237 of 1934 🔗

Has Turdgeon had it yet?

292738 ▶▶▶▶ wendyk, replying to annie, 11, #238 of 1934 🔗

Nothing has been said as yet. No doubt she’ll make a very loud point about waiting in the queue, while the ‘vulnerable’- how I loathe this word- are duly jabbed and saved.

The latest Sturgeonism revealed that witnessing the first jabs brought a lump to her throat.

She’s challenging Shuttlecock for pole position in the emoting stakes

292746 ▶▶▶▶▶ kh1485, replying to wendyk, 26, #239 of 1934 🔗

I can’t abide this drippy emotive crap. Can you imagine politicians of the past engaging in this bollocks? No, me neither. It debases real emotion.

292748 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ TJN, replying to kh1485, 1, #240 of 1934 🔗

It’s what the people want.

292825 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ annie, replying to TJN, 8, #241 of 1934 🔗

Not people. Zombies.

292770 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ PompeyJunglist, replying to kh1485, 22, #242 of 1934 🔗

I knew Society was doomed after witnessing our collective response to Princess Diana dying.

292783 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ wendyk, replying to kh1485, 16, #243 of 1934 🔗

It disgusts me,kh; it’s mendacious,spurious and ,I suspect, adopted in response to coaching by costly PR Consultants: keep the plebs onside by showing your feelings!

I do not vote for representatives to blubber in public! It’s the legacy of the Diana Derangement Outbreak, when Blair did his ‘The People’s
Princess’ routine.

I was shocked and dismayed then and even more repelled now.

292839 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ annie, replying to wendyk, 15, #244 of 1934 🔗

I was nauseated too, at the Dianafest.I realised then that there was something fundamentally wrong with the British people. I should have paid more attention.

294328 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Jez Hewitt, replying to annie, 3, #245 of 1934 🔗

In fairness, the great unwashed didn’t have a hope in hell against the media. I forgot. My first real experience of mass hysteria. I was embarrassed at a nation, my nation. Now I know for sure what the Queen’s tears are for every 11th November. She knows we’re fucked, whether she dissolves this bollocks or not. Perhaps we really do reap what we sow.

292879 ▶▶▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to wendyk, 3, #246 of 1934 🔗

Jesus wept.

Yet more of Nicola’s “anything you can do I can do better”

293020 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ wendyk, replying to Bart Simpson, 2, #247 of 1934 🔗

Yes, Bart, she’s on a roll and becomes more dictatorial by the day.


292747 ▶▶ TJN, replying to kh1485, 11, #248 of 1934 🔗

There seems to be a lot of tension in the air right now, more so than previously during this shitshow.

292760 ▶▶▶ kh1485, replying to TJN, 22, #249 of 1934 🔗

I just can’t abide it when people actually laugh about what is going on. As though it’s just a piffling little thing and it’s all a jolly jape.

As I’ve said before, they think the pain is just for people like me. But it’s a case of me today, you tomorrow. And they just don’t get it.

292772 ▶▶▶▶ TJN, replying to kh1485, 11, #250 of 1934 🔗

But I have a laugh – at the absurdity of it all. Humour is a powerful weapon against hubris, and stupidity. That’s different to having a dismissive laugh about it all though.

I do sense a definite tension in the air though, or at least a different sort of tension – as if people are feeling lost and are concerned about it. Maybe it’s just me reading too much into things.

292784 ▶▶▶▶▶ kh1485, replying to TJN, 15, #251 of 1934 🔗

Indeed, I take the piss out of it all the time. But this joker was laughing at my comments which were perfectly valid. I think I have the right to kick-back at idiots like this. And I don’t think he was in the least bit “lost” and he certainly wasn’t “concerned”. This is the same tosser who told me that I would have to work harder to get back lost trade, ha ha.

292800 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ TJN, replying to kh1485, 3, #252 of 1934 🔗

That last comment about getting back lost trade is not nice.

When I eventually get around to my necessary Cambridge visit from down here in faraway Devon I will call in at your cafe!(If that’s ok with you of course.)

292990 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ kh1485, replying to TJN, 3, #253 of 1934 🔗

Of course it is.

293597 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to kh1485, 2, #254 of 1934 🔗

Just don’t ask ‘how are things?’ 🙂

293074 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ HelenaHancart, replying to kh1485, 7, #255 of 1934 🔗

I know exactly how you feel. I’ve had friends and family laugh patronisingly at me when I’ve tried to raise the bar above their MSM controlled thinking. It makes me just want to howl at the moon sometimes.

293228 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Old Bill, replying to kh1485, 5, #256 of 1934 🔗

Don’t worry about lost trade kh, think big. Open up a nationwide chain of ‘Freedom’ coffee shops and you will soon have more trade than you know what to do with. Hell, in a few months time you will be so rich you will be able to afford to buy shares in Pfizer!!

293415 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Ceriain, replying to Old Bill, 4, #257 of 1934 🔗

Hell, in a few months time you will be so rich you will be able to afford to buy shares in Pfizer!!

That is extremely funny. 🙂

293975 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to kh1485, 1, #258 of 1934 🔗

Calling him a tosser is far too polite!

292841 ▶▶▶▶▶ annie, replying to TJN, 10, #259 of 1934 🔗

I laughed out loud at the cretinous rules in our library. The nappied librarians were shocked. I think I was close to getting a ban. (There was nobody else in the library apart from me and the Nappy Twins.)

293593 ▶▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to kh1485, 1, #260 of 1934 🔗

No sure I agree. It is indeed a dystopian shitfest – but some, including me, respond via humour.

Keeps spirits up, enables ridicule of the bad guys, and is very healthy.

(Catch me asking ‘How are you ?’ anytime soon, kh. I’d be too terrified ! 🙂 ).

292807 ▶▶ stewart, replying to kh1485, -5, #261 of 1934 🔗

Fawlty? Is that you?

292912 ▶▶▶ kh1485, replying to stewart, 20, #262 of 1934 🔗

Mock all you like … But I am facing, potentially, the collapse of my business. I don’t find it funny and I don’t find idiots who find my plight funny, funny either. To my regulars I am courteous and kind.

293302 ▶▶▶▶ stewart, replying to kh1485, 4, #263 of 1934 🔗

I’m not mocking you and I don’t find your plight funny.
Just found your Basil Fawlty-esque moment amusing and made the joke.
Chill out. We’re all living through. strained times and a bit of humour doesn’t hurt, but if you took offence, apologies.

293378 ▶▶▶▶▶ kh1485, replying to stewart, 6, #264 of 1934 🔗

Thank you. I don’t really have an awful lot to “chill out” about at the moment though.

293599 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ TJN, replying to kh1485, 4, #265 of 1934 🔗

From everything that you’ve posted on here I can feel it in my bones that you are going to get through, and actually prosper.

293122 ▶▶▶ Thomas_E, replying to stewart, 5, #266 of 1934 🔗

Please don’t troll people unless you are a fucking 12 year old. The fact that’s somebody is fighting daily to keep his livelihood is not a laughing matter. Unless I can come to your house, burn it down and then say to you : Hey lighten up, it’s not that bad,. You can buy a new one! Are you laughing yet ?

293290 ▶▶▶▶ stewart, replying to Thomas_E, 7, #267 of 1934 🔗

Everyone chill out. It was joke.

292727 Mark H, replying to Mark H, 28, #268 of 1934 🔗

In the handy print-out-or-save-on-your-phone-to-use-as-guidance Scottish government pamphlet on pandemic etiquette (a fine use of Scottish taxpayer’s money for sure), I noted that most of the cartoon-ish characters had dark skin.

Which is interesting considering that around 84% of Scots are white.

In the pamphlet there are only two “white skinned” characters. The “woman” working the checkout and the “woman” doing the virtual hug.
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292730 ▶▶ annie, replying to Mark H, 14, #269 of 1934 🔗

God, it is revolting.

292731 ▶▶ Barney McGrew, replying to Mark H, 26, #270 of 1934 🔗

In some Covid adverts I saw the other day, the impetuous people always wanting to break the rules were light-skinned, while the responsible ones who observe the rules (and politely remind the impetuous ones about this) were dark skinned. It echoed the famous Gillette anti-masculinity (and anti-light skin) advert.

292734 ▶▶▶ Mark H, replying to Barney McGrew, 15, #271 of 1934 🔗

It’s not hard to understand the decision in Scotland to minimise the visual significance of white people.

Here’s the Cabinet Secretary of Justice in Scotland, Humza Yousaf, spit venom at the fact that in a country where 88% of the population is white, many public sector roles are held by white people.

Of course, in his father’s homeland of Pakistan, or his mother’s homeland of Kenya, the facts show public roles are demonstrably more diverse than in racist Scotland, a country that only gives top jobs such as Cabinet Secretary for Justice to white men.

292737 ▶▶▶▶ Barney McGrew, replying to Mark H, 6, #272 of 1934 🔗

I refuse to use the terms ‘white’ and ‘black’ because I think a bait-and-switch (or is it motte-and-bailey) is in operation. Sure, the words are ostensibly simple, literal descriptions of skin colour and used by many innocent people in that way. But the words have a dual meaning, being used to denote fundamental difference, a systematic power imbalance, etc. The aim is to keep people divided.

292744 ▶▶▶▶▶ annie, replying to Barney McGrew, 5, #273 of 1934 🔗

Nobody has a wholly white skin. Nobody has a wholly black skin.

292749 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Barney McGrew, replying to annie, 2, #274 of 1934 🔗

Indeed. But if we acknowledge that but still use the terms ‘white’ and ‘black’, what do we mean by those words? I suggest it means we think there is some sort of permanent, inevitable, irreconcilable inequality in operation between two classes of people. It walks straight into the hands of those who wish to perpetuate this idea.

292785 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Llamasaurus Rex, replying to Barney McGrew, 4, #275 of 1934 🔗

You make a good point. This identity political evil should be rejected fundamentally and linguistically.

293012 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ kf99, replying to Llamasaurus Rex, 3, #276 of 1934 🔗

When BLM started I was baffled as to why the anti-racist “industry” wasn’t furious at the very idea of a “black life”. But no-one seemed bothered.

292765 ▶▶▶ chaos, replying to Barney McGrew, 10, #277 of 1934 🔗

The latest movie about county lines dealing called ‘county lines’.. the county lines dealer and his crew are white. They are rarely white. Most are black, some asian.

293577 ▶▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to chaos, 1, #278 of 1934 🔗

I’ve heard not a few are from eastern europe mind.

292742 ▶▶ TheBigman, replying to Mark H, 12, #279 of 1934 🔗

I’m so glad you pointed this out. I was talking about this the other day.
Apparently Scotland is more than 90% white, which means that ofcourse it must need some DIEversity. The same way that the middle East ‘needed’ freeing by the west, it’ll go the same way; civil war.

Then again that is the plan behind all Marxist regimes. Make no doubt about it, Scotland appears to be far-left but the Scots are not. Years of poor education, Marxist indoctrination, and a radical communism loving party has led to this.

Humza is a tit. The same with all so called BAME politicians, all they have and all they offer is a huge chip on their shoulder that we all have to eat whenever they so choose.

Funnily enough the word ‘diversity’ means to divide and what’s the famous saying; United we stand….

293258 ▶▶▶ Spikedee1, replying to TheBigman, 2, #280 of 1934 🔗

Yes the wonderful jobs Priti Patel and Dishy Rishi are doing.

292754 ▶▶ stefarm, replying to Mark H, 9, #281 of 1934 🔗

All of the visuals in these pamphlets are very childish, SNP really do treat us like children, they seem to want to take over parenting and be the parents.

Very sinister IMO.

292761 ▶▶▶ Mark H, replying to stefarm, 10, #282 of 1934 🔗

Nicola Sturgeon refers to herself as “Scotland’s chief mammy”. A childless former solicitor who views Scotland as a cabal of children over whom she is installed as their chief corporate parent.

Want proof? From the horse’s mouth, so to speak:

293104 ▶▶▶▶ LS99, replying to Mark H, 3, #283 of 1934 🔗

She has about as much maternal feeling as Mrs Trunchball!


292796 ▶▶ Marialta, replying to Mark H, 5, #284 of 1934 🔗

The males are interesting …. one is making the revolting ‘heart shape’ emoticon, the other is also feminised in his body language.

293428 ▶▶▶ Ceriain, replying to Marialta, 1, #285 of 1934 🔗

And the 2 females (can I still say that?) are gawping at their phones; all perfectly normal. 😉

292822 ▶▶ Marialta, replying to Mark H, 2, #286 of 1934 🔗


The Equiano Project is worth checking out. ‘We are a wide range of people taking a stand against the divisive obsession with people’s racial identity.’ It is partners with The Institute of Ideas and with the Free Speech Union and is affiliated with dontdivideus.com

292885 ▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to Mark H, 4, #287 of 1934 🔗

They look odd, more like aliens.

And the men look like soy boys.

292889 ▶▶ mjr, replying to Mark H, 4, #288 of 1934 🔗

clearly this was done a few months ago when all the native scots had been out in the sun and got their normal sun tans.
oh wait a mo… scots in the sun start white, then go blue and then go red . so maybe i got it wrong

293088 ▶▶ HelenaHancart, replying to Mark H, 1, #289 of 1934 🔗

Skin colour aside, Carl Vernon absolutely rips the piss out of this vomit-inducing propaganda fest, on his YT channel.

293127 ▶▶ Thomas_E, replying to Mark H, 2, #290 of 1934 🔗

It’s like those Nork Korean propaganda poster, the only difference is that these are shit and not well designed .

293566 ▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to Thomas_E, 1, #291 of 1934 🔗

At least the North Korean ones show proper human beings, these ones don’t

293186 ▶▶ Old Bill, replying to Mark H, 1, #292 of 1934 🔗

That is repulsive, does it contain a special hand sign for a cockroach hiding under a stone?

293755 ▶▶ Judith Day, replying to Mark H, 2, #293 of 1934 🔗

We are 99.9% white where I live, but a new Aldi branch sent every local household a flyer which showed 4 photos of ethnic people and 2 photos of white people!

294014 ▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Judith Day, 1, #294 of 1934 🔗

Oh dear!

294060 ▶▶ David Grimbleby, replying to Mark H, 1, #295 of 1934 🔗

Plus ‘ponytails’ mask is below her nose

292733 Julian, 35, #296 of 1934 🔗

Unhelpful use of language in today’s update from the writer and from Mark Harper

Talking about masks stopping the spread of the virus

Covid deaths

Getting back to normal once you’ve been vaccinated

I think it requires considerable effort to think, speak and write completely free of the ridiculous narrative that’s been pushed. The power of propaganda.

292736 TheBigman, 16, #297 of 1934 🔗

So the CRG ask how freedoms OF THOSE WHO ARE VACCINATED
will be restored. Therefore, no vaccination no freedom. So much for a ‘recovery’ group, that is creating a new lower class.

292739 karenovirus, replying to karenovirus, 6, #298 of 1934 🔗

Ciu bono ?
This from Off Guardian
7th Dec. The Past Lives On
Edward Curtin

292741 ▶▶ Mark H, replying to karenovirus, 7, #299 of 1934 🔗

What is never discussed is the March 2020 bail out of the banks by the government.

Remember that? Remember how the government gave the banks billions with the instruction to then “lend” that taxpayer-funded bailout back to the taxpayers? Remember how the banks then often choose to instead offer loan packages not backed by taxpayer money, secured loans at high rates of interest?

What happened to those billions? Are they nestling in the same cupboard as the 25.000 laptops the Scottish Government said it had purchased for disadvantaged school kids?

292926 ▶▶▶ Andrew K, replying to Mark H, 3, #300 of 1934 🔗

From sept 2019 to January 2020 the us Repo market was bailed out to the tune of 6 Trillion dollars. Hope this scam wasn’t invented to save the wankers again sorry meant to say bankers.

292740 Seansaighdeoir, replying to Seansaighdeoir, 13, #301 of 1934 🔗

It turns my stomach every time I come here that when I flick down the page I come across those 2 moronic imbeciles kneeling on the carpet for their photo op.

Truly galling stuff, sick making.

292743 ▶▶ annie, replying to Seansaighdeoir, 3, #302 of 1934 🔗

And those revolting legs in the bed…

292828 ▶▶ Marialta, replying to Seansaighdeoir, 4, #303 of 1934 🔗

Yes I would like a change of image there – it’s got stale.

294019 ▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Marialta, #304 of 1934 🔗

I agree. Could be multiracial and/or heterosexual for a change.

292970 ▶▶ Mabel Cow, replying to Seansaighdeoir, 1, #305 of 1934 🔗

If you have Adblock Plus installed in your web browser, you can right-click on the image and select “Block element”. That will prevent the image from ever being shown again.

292750 stefarm, replying to stefarm, 24, #306 of 1934 🔗

Masks until 2022. Of course, the dickheads who have granted the lucrative contracts to their mates have to sell the bloody things to get even richer.

Too good an opportunity!

It’s a scam!

292812 ▶▶ stewart, replying to stefarm, 7, #307 of 1934 🔗

They should just tell us how many vaccines the pharmas need to have sold before we can be set free. Just tell us the ransom amount.

292854 ▶▶ karenovirus, replying to stefarm, 4, #308 of 1934 🔗

BBC R4 Today Programme is saying that ports are blocked up because of pre Brexit stockpiling. No mention of the reported 11k containers full of PPE with nowhere to go.

294023 ▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to karenovirus, #309 of 1934 🔗

They could turn the Nightingales into useful PPE warehouses.

292752 TJN, 12, #310 of 1934 🔗

This shower are to science what priests fiddling with boys are to religion.

292753 kh1485, replying to kh1485, 37, #311 of 1934 🔗

I’ve just heard a nauseating advert on ClassicFM. It imagines a woman going through a Christmas checklist in her head and then it becomes apparent that she is on her own. However, she won’t be entirely alone because she can reach out to her family via music requests on ClassicFM.

I really cannot understand the mindset of someone who would see this as a substitute for being with someone they love at Christmas. And for all those people saying that there’ll always be “next Christmas”. How do you bloody know? Sad to say that none of us know what is round the corner for any of us. Just see your families/friends. You, or they may not have a tomorrow or a next Christmas, because shit happens.

Sorry for the misery-fest but that advert really annoyed and upset me (in fact, it made me cry). And as someone who will never get another Christmas with my mum, the thought that others are willingly not seeing people they love, really hacks me off.

292763 ▶▶ davews, replying to kh1485, 7, #312 of 1934 🔗

And the stupid adverts from the National Lottery – a scratch card the ultimate present. Why give a relative something that is almost certainly worth nothing at all.

292767 ▶▶ NorthumbrianNomad, replying to kh1485, 8, #313 of 1934 🔗

That channel hacks me off at the best of times with its constant, witless insistence on being “relaxing”. “Time for Relaxing Classics at 8 [or 9, 10, 11, 12, 1, 2 … etc.]”. It’s a wonder more people aren’t falling asleep at the wheel and driving into walls. What about “Exciting Classics”? “Powerful Classics”? “Classics that turn your emotions upside down and make you feel things you didn’t know you could”? But no, apparently the only good classical music is the soporific kind – preferably the same hundred pieces that Classic FM has since its inception (when its main presenter was Henry Kelly, memorably celebrated by the Irish Times as “the thinking man’s idiot”) been playing in varying order for its “Top 100 Relaxing Classics of the Year”.

Anyway, I’ll give the request thing a shot. “This request comes to us from NorthumbrianNomad, who says he’s wishing his mother “as pleasant a Christmas as possible in the criminally ridiculous circumstances” and wants us to play a piece that really sums up the unforgettable lockdown experience of 2020. György Ligeti’s Poème Symphonique.

292790 ▶▶▶ kh1485, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, 3, #314 of 1934 🔗

I just listen to the music, and it’s introduced me to some composers I would not have discovered otherwise. I ignore the inane witterings of the presenters.

293356 ▶▶▶▶ NorthumbrianNomad, replying to kh1485, 1, #315 of 1934 🔗

Fair enough! I was just being generally snotty and snobbish, definitely not personally.

293105 ▶▶▶ TheOriginalBlackPudding, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, 3, #316 of 1934 🔗

Good one! I wonder how the syruppy-voiced Minhall would describe that piece. Yuk. Her presentation really grates with me – but then so do others’ on the odd occasions I hear Classic FM. And I hate the way they tell me what to think of the music and the performance. I’ll be my own judge thank you – eff off!
I tend to stick with Radio 3, though there are irritants enough there too. At least it speaks to me as an intelligent human being.

293281 ▶▶▶ Edward, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, 1, #317 of 1934 🔗

I often listen to Classic FM between 6.05pm and 7, while I’m cooking and eating so I’m not looking for anything too heavy musically. I never listen after 7 when they go into their “sit back, relax and unwind” phase of slow and quiet pieces. Personally I don’t use the word “unwind” with that meaning. I think Classic FM imagines their typical listener to be a senior white-collar worker who’s had a hard day of boring meetings, then drives home in his big car via the M25 while listening to the “Drive” programme as they call it, and once home wants to slump in an armchair. Not sure how it works if they’ve been “working from home” all day.

293306 ▶▶▶▶ Edward, replying to Edward, 3, #318 of 1934 🔗

There’s a good story about presenter John Suchet, who fancies himself as an authority on Beethoven. He once read a music-related quote from Alfred Einstein, then said “I think they meant Albert Einstein”. They meant no such thing; Alfred Einstein was a well-known musicologist, though apparently not to Suchet, who may have been confused by the fact that Albert played the violin. The two Einsteins were not related, or possibly distantly so.

293344 ▶▶▶▶▶ NorthumbrianNomad, replying to Edward, 1, #319 of 1934 🔗

I vividly remember Henry Kelly coming in all smooth voiced after the 847th broadcast of a movement from Vivaldi’s Four Seasons and saying, “That was Corelli”. There you are, you see? Thinking man’s idiot. He’d heard of Corelli, was thinking about Corelli, said Corelli. Might as well have said “That was Ronaldinho.”

I stopped listening a while ago so I can’t comment on Suchet but I can HEAR him saying that “I think they mean Albert”. I wouldn’t have the gall. There is no hole in the ground big enough that I could hide in it if I said that on national radio.

294032 ▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, #320 of 1934 🔗

Brilliant idea. If everyone did something like that, it would send a great political message.

292778 ▶▶ Bella Donna, replying to kh1485, 11, #321 of 1934 🔗

And that is really sad, knowing you will never spend another Christmas with the elderly members of the family. as you grow old you realise time is running out and all you want to do is live what is left, but these b’stards have stolen what time we have left.

292818 ▶▶▶ annie, replying to Bella Donna, 3, #322 of 1934 🔗

Only if you grovel and obey.

294039 ▶▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to annie, #323 of 1934 🔗

It takes two to tango, so both parties have to be on board.

292799 ▶▶ Nigel Sherratt, replying to kh1485, 7, #324 of 1934 🔗

Radio Swiss Classic (online) much better music and no ads.


292992 ▶▶▶ kh1485, replying to Nigel Sherratt, 1, #325 of 1934 🔗


293559 ▶▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to kh1485, 1, #326 of 1934 🔗

Thanks also. 🙂

292817 ▶▶ annie, replying to kh1485, 3, #327 of 1934 🔗

Agree of course.
But I have to admit that tine was when Christmas without the mother-in-law would have been bliss.
That’s probably the sort of thinking behind a lot of the hypocritical virtue-signalling.

292844 ▶▶ Marialta, replying to kh1485, 14, #328 of 1934 🔗

Being lonely and isolated is excruciating. It shortens lives. Do you remember how loneliness was taken up by the government as a project a while back? After research came out which showed many older people did not speak to another person for weeks. Well what happened to that. How fickle the media is. After a flurry of interest it was gone.

Fast forward to today and it’s gone to another level with people old dying alone at home afraid or lacking the energy to call for help.

293040 ▶▶▶ kh1485, replying to Marialta, #329 of 1934 🔗

Exactly. But, as we all know, all these ‘initiatives’ are just empty words.

292898 ▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to kh1485, 6, #330 of 1934 🔗

Exactly. As the Good Lord says, “no one knows the day or the hour” people could get run over by a bus tomorrow or get a nasty injury from a botched DIY job. Hence why we should make the most out of life while we can and I get really frustrated with people who don’t want to meet up to “keep me safe” and “there’s always next year.” What part of no there might not be do they not understand?

As for Classic FM, have boycotted them since their adverts about the NHS since April. Have been listening to Radio Swiss Classic as recommended by someone here.

292929 ▶▶▶ kh1485, replying to Bart Simpson, 4, #331 of 1934 🔗

I’ll give Radio Swiss Classic a go, thanks Bart.

293044 ▶▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to kh1485, 2, #332 of 1934 🔗

Once you listen to them there’s no turning back.

293060 ▶▶▶▶▶ kh1485, replying to Bart Simpson, #333 of 1934 🔗

Not sure why you got a downtick. Just upticked, to get to zero …

293111 ▶▶▶▶ Sue, replying to kh1485, 1, #334 of 1934 🔗

yes swiss classic is good – i don’t believe it’s on your DAB/FM radio though – i access via internet browser.

293880 ▶▶ Ben, replying to kh1485, 1, #335 of 1934 🔗

I stopped listening to Classic FM because of toxic sh*t like this

293881 ▶▶▶ kh1485, replying to Ben, 1, #336 of 1934 🔗

And I’ll be doing the same!

292755 Fingerache Philip., replying to Fingerache Philip., 41, #337 of 1934 🔗

Today both Jonathan Sumption and “yours truly” celebrate our 72nd birthdays and of course, we are both sceptics but that’s where the similarity ends.
When this nightmare ends (IT WILL)
Jonathan Sumption will earn his place in history as one of the heroes of our struggle.
Happy birthday, Jonathan.

292810 ▶▶ annie, replying to Fingerache Philip., 6, #338 of 1934 🔗

Hear, hear. Is there an address where we can send him an e-card! Or a real one, cone to that?
Happy Birthday to you, too, F.P.!

292826 ▶▶▶ Fingerache Philip., replying to annie, 3, #339 of 1934 🔗

Many thanks, Annie.
I’m sure that one of our fellow sceptics will know or find out a way to contact JS.

292880 ▶▶ Caramel, replying to Fingerache Philip., 3, #340 of 1934 🔗

Happy birthday both! He certainly will be.

292931 ▶▶▶ Fingerache Philip., replying to Caramel, 4, #341 of 1934 🔗


293037 ▶▶ kh1485, replying to Fingerache Philip., 2, #342 of 1934 🔗

Sincerest felicitations, to you both!

293662 ▶▶▶ Fingerache Philip., replying to kh1485, 1, #343 of 1934 🔗

Thank you.

293114 ▶▶ Sue, replying to Fingerache Philip., 3, #344 of 1934 🔗

I assume this is lord sumption – i heard yesterday that he is fully in favour of the vaccine – you may want to verify this. So he may not be such a hero.
But a very happy birthday to you both.

293485 ▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to Sue, 3, #345 of 1934 🔗

Possible to be in favour of any vaccine – as long as it’s strictly voluntary.

293664 ▶▶▶▶ Fingerache Philip., replying to JohnB, 1, #346 of 1934 🔗

Of course.

293663 ▶▶▶ Fingerache Philip., replying to Sue, #347 of 1934 🔗

Thank you, Sue.

292756 NorthumbrianNomad, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, 18, #348 of 1934 🔗

so we therefore monitor the impact of the vaccine on reducing cases, reducing hospitalisations and reducing the number of people who sadly die from this disease”

I know it’s completely unimportant compared to the main issues here, but I just shot another “sadly died”. What a fucking disingenuous posturing moron Hancock is. If you want to know if a word is superfluous, try replacing it with its opposite and see if the sentence makes sense: “reducing the number of people who happily die from this disease”. OK. Fairly clear.

The sentence “I scan the news every day to find out if Matt Hancock has been sadly shot”, on the other hand, is valid. Because I would happily shoot him. (Not really, GCHQ, it’s not hate speech, it’s a different thing called “rhetoric”. The sort of thing secretaries of state used to be quite good at.)

292776 ▶▶ Suze Burtenshaw, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, 8, #349 of 1934 🔗

That’s just made me chuckle. Thankyou for that.

293061 ▶▶ DavidC, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, 3, #350 of 1934 🔗

Shame he doesn’t do that for the rest of the 1600 who die, on average, each day in the UK, around 600,000 a year (or around 3,000,000 in the USA per year).


292766 Basileus, replying to Basileus, 9, #351 of 1934 🔗

This was posted on the site yesterday but it bears repeating.

Hancock tweeted: ‘When the NHS contacts you for a vaccine … please step froward for your country’. The comments are choice and will cheer you up.


292771 ▶▶ Bella Donna, replying to Basileus, 9, #352 of 1934 🔗

Mad Wankok can go jump off a tall building.

292769 Steve Martindale, replying to Steve Martindale, 8, #353 of 1934 🔗

Listening to music on free spotify I have to put up with nauseating Covid adverts, in fact there are so few other adverts that I wonder if it is only Covid advert money that is keeping free spotify going at the moment?
But anyway, the latest pseudo science in these ads is that now we are indoors more we should open all the windows to let fresh air blow the covid away! I gather this idea has taken hold in schools and some children are being taught wearing their coats and hats with the windows wide open so as to blow the covid away!

292773 ▶▶ Nigel Sherratt, replying to Steve Martindale, 6, #354 of 1934 🔗

Miasma: “I’ll be back!”

Fair is foul, and foul is fair
Hover through the fog and filthy air.

292792 ▶▶ Ethelred the Unready, replying to Steve Martindale, 9, #355 of 1934 🔗

Apparently that’s partly how they have managed to spaff £13bn on track and trace, and gain effective control of the MSM, massive advertising campaign, importantly, all at full price, the media are loving it…

292977 ▶▶ Noumenon, replying to Steve Martindale, 1, #356 of 1934 🔗

Preparation for fuel shortages.

292774 PatrickF, replying to PatrickF, 23, #357 of 1934 🔗

The vaccine works, so wear a mask
The vaccine doesn’t work, so wear a mask.
Immunity works, so wear a mask and get a vaccine.
Immunity doesn’t work, so wear a mask and get a vaccine.

292780 ▶▶ mhcp, replying to PatrickF, 7, #358 of 1934 🔗

Bit like man-made climate change. Everything attributed to a one trick pony.

292869 ▶▶▶ stefarm, replying to mhcp, 3, #359 of 1934 🔗

It is a load of pony!

292795 ▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to PatrickF, 3, #360 of 1934 🔗

More of the same old, same old that its become a broken record.

292806 ▶▶ annie, replying to PatrickF, 11, #361 of 1934 🔗

The mask turns you into an abject slave.
We love that.
The vaccine makes us money.
We love that.
You are our fodder.
We devour you.
We love that.

292832 ▶▶▶ Allan Gay, replying to annie, 3, #362 of 1934 🔗

All lie down like corn before the scythe.
They love to see us writhe.

292775 stewart, replying to stewart, 29, #363 of 1934 🔗

Writing to MP is not a total waste of time

Liberty 2019 has started a campaign to demand that MPs commit to returning ALL our civil liberties. On liberty2019.org the names of all MPs are displayed on two lists. Those who support returning all our civil liberties and those who don’t. All MPs started in the “don’t support” list.

Thanks to people writing in, MPs have started to write back saying they do support a full return of freedoms and to please be taken off the “don’t support” list. It’s still a trickle but it’s only been two days.

The website has a standard text that can be copied and pasted.

Please help us writing to your MP – many of them don’t want to be seen as standing against our freedoms, but they need to be unambiguous about it and feel as much public pressure as possible.

292801 ▶▶ annie, replying to stewart, 2, #364 of 1934 🔗

Freedom, like, when?

292823 ▶▶▶ stewart, replying to annie, 3, #365 of 1934 🔗

Good question. Step 1. Get them to agree on the principle. Step 2. Argue the timeline.

As things stand right now, the risk of never returning to where we were pre-crisis in terms of civil liberties seems rather big.

293004 ▶▶ Victoria, replying to stewart, 1, #366 of 1934 🔗

Better late than never Liberty…….

293479 ▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to Victoria, #367 of 1934 🔗

Not sure Liberty2019 is anything to do with Liberty ? I could be wrong though …

293455 ▶▶ Ceriain, replying to stewart, 2, #368 of 1934 🔗

MPs have started to write back saying they do support a full return of freedoms and to please be taken off the “don’t support” list.

Huge difference in supporting something and voting for something.

293463 ▶▶ Ben, replying to stewart, 4, #369 of 1934 🔗

MPs, the military, civil servants, the media, celebrities, the police are in the employ of the World Economic Forum and the Pharma, Gates, tech, banking buddies it represents

There is no United Kingdom anymore. It is occupied

292782 Basileus, replying to Basileus, 1, #370 of 1934 🔗
293481 ▶▶ Ceriain, replying to Basileus, 1, #371 of 1934 🔗

I can’t bring myself to watch the news channels (or most TV for that matter).

There don’t appear to have been the usual interviews with gushing sons, daughters, or grandkids, of Mrs Keenan?

What I also found strange was this: https://westbridgfordwire.com/family-of-first-covid-vaccine-patient-margaret-keenan-issue-statement/

Her family would like to thank wellwishers for their support and request that Margaret’s privacy is respected from now on.

The family of Margaret Keenan said:“We are tremendously proud of our mum and granny for stepping forward to receive the first COVID vaccine.“The interest and well wishes we have received today as a family have been overwhelming. We would like to thank May Parsons and the whole team at the hospital for the care they have provided in recent days and of course to everyone involved in developing the lifesaving jab that our mum and granny was given this morning.”

No family named! Why would they ask for her privacy to be respected? She’s the most famous person on the planet!

292787 Basileus, replying to Basileus, 3, #372 of 1934 🔗

Are Channel 4 publishing the truth?


292886 ▶▶ Marialta, replying to Basileus, 1, #373 of 1934 🔗

No, I watched it right through. There were moments of scepticism but overall I think it sits on the fence about whether lockdowns are justified.

292794 PatrickF, replying to PatrickF, 8, #374 of 1934 🔗

It was cold in my neck of the woods yesterday. Clouds of condensation emerged from the masked commuters on the train platform. I had a warm fuzzy feeling. We’re all doing our bit to protect each other. Apart from unmasked granny killers, like me.

292798 ▶▶ annie, replying to PatrickF, 4, #375 of 1934 🔗

Droplets drop.
You go pop.
You sadlidie.
‘Twas no fault of I.
I wore my nappy.
I am quite happy.

293107 ▶▶ Two-Six, replying to PatrickF, 8, #376 of 1934 🔗

When are the dead going to put two and two together when they see their steamy breath coming out through their stupid face nappies and out from all around the edged, then watch as their covid laden breath drifts right down the platform, all the way to the end….when will they have a moment of clarity and think…hang on a sec…….why am I wearing this fucking thing?
It’s beyond me. Crazy brainwashed bastards

293423 ▶▶▶ Silke David, replying to Two-Six, 4, #377 of 1934 🔗

Maybe it would help if it was green like in the advert.

293468 ▶▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to Silke David, 1, #378 of 1934 🔗

I did hear that a side-effect of the vaccine is to turn one’s exhalations green …

293487 ▶▶▶▶▶ Ceriain, replying to JohnB, #379 of 1934 🔗

Open a window; you’ll be fine.

293486 ▶▶▶ Ceriain, replying to Two-Six, 3, #380 of 1934 🔗

… see their steamy breath coming out through their stupid face nappies…

when will they have a moment of clarity and think…hang on a sec…….why am I wearing this fucking thing?

I asked exactly this on here the other day.

293938 ▶▶▶▶ Two-Six, replying to Ceriain, 1, #381 of 1934 🔗


292802 alw, 7, #382 of 1934 🔗

Mike Yeadon to Patrick Vallance re masks. Worth a read.

”From the Telegraph:“We may be wearing masks for a year, despite the V-Day ‘watershed moment’Sir Patrick Vallance: ‘We don’t know yet how good all the vaccines are going to be at preventing the transmission of coronavirus’.Patrick: it doesn’t matter. You’ve seen the data……from the vaccine 1st interim analysis (please don’t insult those of us familiar with reading public summaries of trial protocols at http://clinicaltrials.com ), not “the results”, which will be along in 2023…stunning, with over 90% reduction in infections! Oh, hold on, no… (Source: https://threader.app/thread/1336458453242552326 )”

292804 alw, replying to alw, 2, #383 of 1934 🔗

Mike Yeadon on the vaccine and fertility.

“No evidence Pfizer Covid-19 vaccine affects women’s fertility – Full Fact“This claim has no basis. The spike protein on the Covid-19 virus and a protein that makes up the placenta have only a small amount in common, almost certainly not enough… https://fullfact.org/health/vaccine-covid-fertility/ …… for the immune system to attack the placenta.”Well, that is reassuring. “…almost certainly not…” sounds good.I never thought it ‘likely”. Instead I am concerned it ‘might, in some people’. Rare events are what I had in mind. I’d have preferred a more categoric reply. (Source: https://threader.app/thread/1336533650062651393 )”

293221 ▶▶ Dodderydude, replying to alw, 1, #384 of 1934 🔗

And when people confidently declare that “there is no evidence…” of something we should assume that what they mean is that no one has looked for such evidence.

292808 Biker, replying to Biker, 20, #385 of 1934 🔗


292819 ▶▶ Winston Smith, replying to Biker, 4, #386 of 1934 🔗

Yep, my rage is building, I’m not angry anymore. 😡

293145 ▶▶ Thomas_E, replying to Biker, #387 of 1934 🔗

Good, I don’t wear mine…EVER!!

293225 ▶▶ Alethea, replying to Biker, 2, #388 of 1934 🔗

Never have done, never will. No matter how lonely it gets, no matter the number of challenges.

293396 ▶▶ TJN, replying to Biker, #389 of 1934 🔗

Got an awkward DIY job coming up, in an enclosed space with stuff you really don’t want to be breathing in. I may have to wear a mask to get it done. I don’t know if it would be selling out though and I should just take my chances.

293464 ▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to TJN, 3, #390 of 1934 🔗

I grant you an authorised task-specific exemption to wear a mask! 🙂

(That’ll be £19.99 please. Cash welcome.).

293493 ▶▶▶ Ceriain, replying to TJN, 1, #391 of 1934 🔗

No, wear the mask. There’s a huge difference in breathing in shit that actually exists (all that dust and stuff) and crap that doesn’t (fake virus).

Anyway, you can see the virus; it’s like a green mist, according to the adverts. 😉

292809 Ewan Duffy, 9, #392 of 1934 🔗


At first glance, it looks like the Grauniad is catching up with reality, however, the only European countries they call out as having reducing civil rights are the usual hate suspects of the so called left – Hungary, Poland, Slovenia and Serbia.

No comment about the rest of Europe where governments imposed fascism by decree.

292813 Nsklent, replying to Nsklent, 24, #393 of 1934 🔗

So Vallance openly states it will be sometime before they know the effects the vaccine has on transmission rates and lowering cases. Since when did you take a vaccine or drug and get told we will have to wait and see if it works. Translated the public are being used to trial the vaccine – experimental drug trial on a whole population, isn’t there a law against this?

292855 ▶▶ Cecil B, replying to Nsklent, 2, #394 of 1934 🔗

And wait and see if it kills or in the case of women sterilises

292901 ▶▶ steve_w, replying to Nsklent, 1, #395 of 1934 🔗

“it will be sometime before they know the effects the vaccine has on transmission rates and lowering cases and side effects

292814 eastender53, replying to eastender53, 13, #396 of 1934 🔗

To my knowledge no one has yet explained why vaccine developers/producers feel the need to be legally immune from any defects in their products? Also there was an article explaining that the WHO position is that any side effect that occurs after a vaccine is licensed cannot be attributed to the vaccine!

Would you buy a car from a manufacturer who demanded immunity from prosecution for faults in design and/or production?

292988 ▶▶ Victoria, replying to eastender53, 3, #397 of 1934 🔗

WHO position is that any side effect that occurs after a vaccine is licensed cannot be attributed to the vaccine

That is scary

293654 ▶▶ Ben, replying to eastender53, 1, #399 of 1934 🔗

Because Pharma exists to make profits. People can’t understand that pharma couldn’t care less about humanity, as long as it can profit from it

292829 Biker, replying to Biker, 21, #400 of 1934 🔗


292849 ▶▶ Winston Smith, replying to Biker, 3, #401 of 1934 🔗

They’d have to hold me down!

292905 ▶▶ annie, replying to Biker, 2, #402 of 1934 🔗

That’s all that needs saying, Biker!

293212 ▶▶ Arkansas, replying to Biker, 2, #403 of 1934 🔗

. . .
Never gonna hold you down
Then hurt you

© Prick Nastily / Hancock Media 2020

292833 wendyk, replying to wendyk, 7, #404 of 1934 🔗

Recently I watched the Snowden film,with mixed feelings, but one line did hold my attention: at a secret site in Hawaii, a colleague of Snowden’s said this:’Most Americans are more interested in safety than freedom’.

This seems particularly pertinent ,given the UK’s widespread compliance with government by decree, inconsistent and irrational restrictions on the freedoms which hitherto have been taken for granted, the project fear which treats death as an outrage and an encouragement of mindless emotional incontinence by the establishment.

292878 ▶▶ mhcp, replying to wendyk, 4, #405 of 1934 🔗

I don’t think it’s safety but more “Most British people are more interested in reducing hassle than freedom”.

There are a lot of people who were impacted by the Financial Crisis over 10 years ago, and as such changed their lifestyles. They still have that feeling of just “getting through”.

The problem however is that a lot of these people didn’t start businesses and take risks only to see all that destroyed by imcompetence and the church of the Theoretical.

So the “minimal hassle” people have been the “muddle through” types for many years and wil just get on with it until it changes again. Only a real crisis will affect them

292966 ▶▶▶ Noumenon, replying to mhcp, 3, #406 of 1934 🔗

People have been brutalised. They don’t know what makes life worth living anymore. Consequently, they have nothing to fight for. Who’d sacrifice their life and what little comfort they have to retain the right to watch TV? That’s what it’s all boiled down to, ultimately.

292834 Ben, replying to Ben, 46, #407 of 1934 🔗

One man I’ve never voted for and who has £600,000 worth of pharma shares decides to ban my right to breathe fresh air

How is this not fascism?

293199 ▶▶ David Grimbleby, replying to Ben, 5, #408 of 1934 🔗

Well said mate….

293220 ▶▶ Alethea, replying to Ben, 4, #409 of 1934 🔗

It’s not fascism because The Guardian agrees with him. Also, academics. Social workers. Teachers. You know, the good people. People like us.

292840 Basileus, replying to Basileus, 7, #410 of 1934 🔗

This from Robert Peston. Better late than never.

Covid: Did Boris Johnson order England’s coronavirus lockdown based on false data?

292850 ▶▶ Cecil B, replying to Basileus, 5, #411 of 1934 🔗

What the rest of us have been saying for ten months

292881 ▶▶▶ steve_w, replying to Cecil B, 2, #412 of 1934 🔗

They will all come round in the end – the data is the data and will speak for itself. Just how much damage we do to society first is the problem

292902 ▶▶ annie, replying to Basileus, 2, #413 of 1934 🔗

Did he?
Does the sun rise in the east?

292843 Sarigan, replying to Sarigan, 7, #414 of 1934 🔗

Facebook censors Wimborne Militia (a Civil War reenactment group) believing them to be right wing militia. Perhaps you should have fact checked FB!


292863 ▶▶ thinkaboutit, replying to Sarigan, 2, #415 of 1934 🔗

Muskets at the ready!

292949 ▶▶▶ Winston Smith, replying to thinkaboutit, 2, #416 of 1934 🔗

I’d rather bayonets and clubbed muskets!

293115 ▶▶ Two-Six, replying to Sarigan, #417 of 1934 🔗

The Sealed Knot are next

292846 alw, replying to alw, 7, #418 of 1934 🔗

This sentence from last night’s Spectator email stood out for me.

”There were 12,282 further cases and 616 deaths involving coronavirus recorded in the past 24 hours.”

Notice it says that there was 616 deaths involving coronavirus, not from. I would say that there are few from the virus alone. Of the remainder how many were actually tested for the virus? Very selective on how the facts are used and disingenuous for politicians to rely on such badly presented statistics.

Currently there are approximately nine deaths per day in London from the virus, but more suicides as a result of the measures. The government are now threatening to put London into Tier 3. Why, because Haringey has seen an increase in cases which stand out. If one looks more closely one finds that in Enfield which is in that borough they are rolling out mobile virus testing units…hence the increase. On no account should London be put into Tier 3 restrictions as a result of what is happening in one area. Businesses which have played a large part in adapting to the regulations should not be clobbered again, the public will not tolerate restrictions again and we must do our best to see that our MPs do not support further restrictions.

293051 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to alw, #419 of 1934 🔗

There are more daily deaths in Northern Ireland at the minute than there is in London. Pop about 2m

292848 Margaret, replying to Margaret, 34, #420 of 1934 🔗

I was really pleased to see that Kay Burley, along with her partners in crime such as Beth Rigby, have broken the “rules”

They are part of a long list of offenders, Ferguson, Cummings, Calderwood, Kinnock, Jenrick etc, who interpreted the rules rather loosely when it suited them and were forced to defend themselves.

These are people with “insider information”. It confirms to me that they all know that this is a load of old cobblers. We, on here, knew that all along of course.

293050 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to Margaret, 4, #421 of 1934 🔗

Big time. 100 year Pandemics DO NOT LOOK LIKE THIS

293057 ▶▶ Waldorf, replying to Margaret, 4, #422 of 1934 🔗

There have been examples in other countries, like the Hungarian Euro MP being caught partaking in some sort of gay orgy in a Brussels flat with 20 other people. Unless all these people are suicidal, which I very much doubt, they know there is a lot of BS going on.

293454 ▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to Waldorf, 1, #423 of 1934 🔗

Being a gay euro MP from Hungary is not quite suicidal, but sounds like a very bad idea.

293642 ▶▶ Ben, replying to Margaret, 1, #424 of 1934 🔗

So many have broken the rules – SNP politicians, Jeremy Corbyn, Tony Blair, Gary Lineker, Neil Ferguson, Boris Johnson’s father..

Would be nice to see a photo montage of them all together

292851 Exiled off mainstreet, replying to Exiled off mainstreet, 26, #425 of 1934 🔗

I think that the masks are a contributory cause based on the Danish study that even the surgical ones are of little value, and bearing in mind those in the study were probably told how to use them. It is a matter of control. They don’t really give a toss if they are effective, and common sense tells you that going around with a sort of bag over your face impairs your breathing and therefore your health. I am also sure it damages the economy because people refuse to go buy stuff if they have to submit to this fascist requirement. As for Witless and Unbalanced, I won’t say what they deserve as enemies of the people, decency and civilisation, since I am sure the Five Eyes are monitoring what is posted on this blog.

292895 ▶▶ Andrew K, replying to Exiled off mainstreet, 11, #426 of 1934 🔗

There was a study (Probably now removed by the Gastapo) that showed the use of face masks by surgeons in an operating theatre no less, has little impact to the level of infection found on patients. In fact it found that there was a decrease (But statistically non-significant reduction) in infections where no face masks were used during operations.

292943 ▶▶▶ arfurmo, replying to Andrew K, 2, #427 of 1934 🔗
292962 ▶▶ Nsklent, replying to Exiled off mainstreet, 12, #428 of 1934 🔗

I have been avoiding our small rural town precisely because of face masks, but thought I would venture in yesterday to see how the land was lying, so to speak. Well in 5 months, the body snatches certainly have taken over – 80% of people outside in the main thoroughfare masked. Aggressive signs outside what were once quaint shops selling ‘nice things” stating ‘no mask no entry’, These shops must be on a close edge to closing, yet seek to abuse potential customers with such signage.
Well, will not be returning in the near future.

293056 ▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to Nsklent, 2, #429 of 1934 🔗

Looks like they have a death wish so let’s give it to them by boycotting their establishments.

They will have no-one but themselves to blame when they go bust.

293404 ▶▶▶▶ Tom in Scotland, replying to Bart Simpson, #430 of 1934 🔗

I agree. I just don’t understand it. Nothing makes sense anymore. I do all my shopping online and will not give these shops or restaurants/pubs my business, even if things return to (real) normal. To hell with them. They need to resist or things will never change.

293253 ▶▶▶ Dodderydude, replying to Nsklent, 3, #431 of 1934 🔗

A friend and I distributed copies of ‘The Light’ free newspaper to local businesses last month and we focused on small independent outlets. The majority were receptive to the publication which is anti-lockdown and publishes articles supporting the contention that the true demonstrable science and statistics do not uphold the pandemic narrative. But we were dismayed at the number of business owners who were aggressive and basically sent us packing without even wanting to look at the paper.

293753 ▶▶▶ Borisbullshit, replying to Nsklent, 2, #432 of 1934 🔗

Very much my experience in Shropshire. I used to like the quaint shops too but never realised how hostile and sanctimonious the owners were. They have alienated me for good. I dont like big business and amazon either so there is no escape really. The small shops really dont seem to care about losing customers so why should I care about losing them when they go out of business.

292852 SweetBabyCheeses, replying to SweetBabyCheeses, 8, #433 of 1934 🔗

I’m sorry that it’s in the Guardian but this is an excellent article on one of the ways in which people have suffered due to lockdown that I haven’t really seen covered: https://www.theguardian.com/lifeandstyle/2020/dec/08/it-feels-like-a-lost-year-the-women-who-fear-2020-has-stolen-their-chance-of-motherhood
Are people finally waking up to the fact that covid restrictions (the article does start using that term but then slips back to covid 😣 ) are causing untold heartache and devastation? Comments turned off for some reason so hard to say. Really appreciate that it focuses on “women” too rather than “birthing people” so perhaps it was the trans activists who got the comments turned off!

292856 ▶▶ Ben, replying to SweetBabyCheeses, 5, #434 of 1934 🔗

The Guardian is famous for switching off and deleting comments, hence the creation of Off-Guardian

292860 Llamasaurus Rex, 9, #435 of 1934 🔗

WTF! BOB the cartoon maestro not nominated for this year’s IngSoc award? yet another disgrace.

292861 Biker, replying to Biker, 71, #436 of 1934 🔗

Who the fuck is this Vallance prick to tell me i need to cover my fucking face? Who are these fucking people? Fuck them i won’t do what they tell me. The virus that kills people who’ve lived longer than the average life span ain’t no fucking threat to me and this idea i’m responsible for passing on a virus is anti human and totally unrealistic to expect.. These clowns need to wind it in soon before they have to face retribution

292871 ▶▶ Londo Mollari, replying to Biker, 5, #437 of 1934 🔗

Well said.

293172 ▶▶ MiriamW-sometimes-AlanG, replying to Biker, 12, #438 of 1934 🔗

Yes, who are these fucking people?

Will Jones (above): Begs the question: At what point will the scientific and medical advisers recognise that it is more important to let people get on with their lives and jobs?

Actually, the question is: Why is an advisor to the Government being given a platform to dictate directly to the public what the policy is going to be for the next year? If this was really about a virus, how could they possibly know the course of the disease at this point?

We know of course. . . . . .


293348 ▶▶▶ Edward, replying to MiriamW-sometimes-AlanG, 10, #439 of 1934 🔗

Advisers should not be able to address the public directly. That’s not a restriction on their free speech, it’s a recognition that their appointed role is to advise the government, who should (if they were doing their job properly, which they aren’t) take stock of all the advice from various sources and then make an informed decision. It’s not in the remit of advisers to manipulate public opinion.

293424 ▶▶▶▶ MiriamW-sometimes-AlanG, replying to Edward, 3, #440 of 1934 🔗

Quite right. These criminals are put up to give press-conferences now as if they are running the show. MW

293531 ▶▶▶▶ Ceriain, replying to Edward, 3, #441 of 1934 🔗

It’s a point they themselves make when they appear in front of the committees. They tell Clark and Hunt that it is not for them (the experts) to tell the people what to do, that’s it’s the Governments job; they (the experts) then go on to do the exact opposite.

292872 eastender53, replying to eastender53, 14, #442 of 1934 🔗

It is now broadly accepted that the BBC has become the State Broadcaster, mindlessly regurgitating the ‘approved’ message. I’ve lost count of how many times they’ve used ‘of’ instead of ‘with’ when referring to Covid mortalities. Hanlon’s Razor can only stretch so far. We all know Ofcom ordered censorship but at the very least the BBC should make it clear that it is broadcasting under Ofcom restrictions.

My question is that since the BBC has lost all editorial independence should it continue to be directly funded from non voluntary license fees paid by the very people it is deceiving?

In 16th century Venice the Jews were forced to live in a segregated area and pay for the guards that kept them there. Are we now being forced to fund our own brainwashing?

293066 ▶▶ kf99, replying to eastender53, 3, #443 of 1934 🔗

I do wonder with the BLM Vicar of Dibley business, (at Christmas, of all times) if someone from our side has somehow sneaked into the Beeb as an agent provocateur.

293184 ▶▶ Mark, replying to eastender53, 1, #444 of 1934 🔗

Are we now being forced to fund our own brainwashing?”

Yes, obviously, but it isn’t anything new.

Those who think it is simply didn’t notice or weren’t bothered by the brainwashing that went on for the past half century and more, just as the majority of the coronapanic dupes don’t think they are being brainwashed because they think the coronapanic hype is genuine public spirited information dissemination.

Now start to think about the topics covered by the brainwashing over the past few decades – you can reasonably sum them up as “political correctness”. Of course most people simply assumed, just as the coronapanickers do now, that their brainwashing on those topics was public spirited information dissemination, and general “goodthink” stuff.

Now contemplate just how removed from reality the coronapanickers are as a result of their brainwashing. That’s how removed from reality the mainstream received opinions are on the political correctness topics, generally.

It’s going to take some untangling, but the first step would be to defund the BBC. If only we’d done it 50 years ago!

292874 lesleykr1, 4, #445 of 1934 🔗

“A life lived in fear is a life half lived” … Baz Luhrmann

292875 Ben, replying to Ben, 15, #446 of 1934 🔗

FACT – The Government has never cared about granny
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292904 ▶▶ Biker, replying to Ben, 20, #447 of 1934 🔗

at A&E they refused to open the door to my Mrs when she presented herself having gone deaf in one ear with blood coming out of it. She’s 52, not exactly a spring chicken and has paid her fucking NI for 46 years and yet now she’s told to fuck off we’re not interested. I despise the NHS more than Myra Hindley

293170 ▶▶▶ Old Bill, replying to Biker, 6, #448 of 1934 🔗

I said this yesterday, but I will repeat it, the NHS is now the Notional Health Service not the National Health Service, the latter is deader than Nye Bevan.

292877 Andrew K, replying to Andrew K, 1, #449 of 1934 🔗

Very long read, with alarming predictions, are you prepared for you and your family if the food chain breaks down.


293267 ▶▶ Dodderydude, replying to Andrew K, 1, #450 of 1934 🔗

Retired German economist Ernst Wolff warned about this in March. His interview here has proved to be very insightful.


293869 ▶▶▶ Ben, replying to Dodderydude, 1, #451 of 1934 🔗

I watched the first thirty seconds… OH MY GOD!!!

This and the ‘Crimes Against Humanity’ video by Reiner Fuellmich come closest to the truth

292882 steve_w, replying to steve_w, 9, #452 of 1934 🔗

In January we will have ‘total all cause mortality for 2020’ for every country. This will open a few eyes to the nonsense we are enduring

292888 ▶▶ steve_w, replying to steve_w, 3, #453 of 1934 🔗

a quote from the Sweden/Norway comparison paper above

Our study shows that although Covid-19 associated mortality rate was almost 15-fold higher in Sweden than in Norway during the epidemic, all-cause mortality was not higher in Sweden compared with three of the four preceding years.”

293045 ▶▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to steve_w, 1, #454 of 1934 🔗

Misappropriation is a massive underlying factor.

As is deliberate removal of care for the elderly. That gets brought up a lot by the media doesn’t it?

293154 ▶▶ Norman, replying to steve_w, #455 of 1934 🔗

We already have decent all-cause mortality figures on https://www.euromomo.eu/graphs-and-maps . 12 European countries show either

a) no discernible peak in 2020 vs the background ‘noise’
b) no higher a peak than an earlier peak in either 2017, -18 or -19 which weren’t accompanied by house arrest, solitary confinement (single person households) or gestapo stopping your car on the English-Welsh border.

The other countries have higher peaks than the previous three years because some people were susceptible to a relatively new virus but why the f*** aren’t we all told to take high-dose vitamin D autumn to spring in this sunless country? I’ve been taking it since 2018 when I concluded that I’d been deficient all my life. Boosting the immune system is just one of its benefits. Ironically deficiency of it is widespread in southern Europe where people assume wrongly that they get enough sun exposure.

293496 ▶▶ charleyfarley, replying to steve_w, #456 of 1934 🔗

I hope so Steve. What worries me though is that for months the data proving the falsity of so called pandemic has been all over the internet, but the masked zombies don’t seem to be looking/listening.

Perhaps the media will take it up, though I won’t hold my breath.

292887 Steve Hayes, replying to Steve Hayes, 13, #457 of 1934 🔗

On Good Morning Britain this morning Piers Morgan assured his viewers that he had researched the vaccine and it is completely safe. He did not say what his research consisted of, but he did add that the regulatory authority would not approve any treatment unless it was safe.

A little earlier, the BBC had on a professor (from Warwick University) who made precisely the same point. He said that he knew the vaccine to be safe because the MHRA had approved it.

Then Michael Gove appeared on BBC Breakfast and he made exactly the same point. He said we know the vaccine is completely safe because the MHRA had assessed it.

Is it not amazing how they all seem to think the same thing at the same time and express it in virtually the same language? The vaccine is safe. We know it is safe because the regulator has said so. Of course, the omit the fact that the regulator deemed it safe because Pfizer told them it is safe.

292890 ▶▶ steve_w, replying to Steve Hayes, 6, #458 of 1934 🔗

The entire government response is like watching a slow motion train crash. I just hope people come to their senses before I am forced to have the vaccine

292893 ▶▶ stefarm, replying to Steve Hayes, 3, #459 of 1934 🔗

It’s all scripted.

293134 ▶▶▶ Two-Six, replying to stefarm, 2, #460 of 1934 🔗

It’s a global script and that is why it is so stupid, so inflexible, so, clumsy, so damaging and destructive, so universal, and so co-ordinated.

292906 ▶▶ alw, replying to Steve Hayes, 10, #461 of 1934 🔗

If Piers Morgan says it’s safe then it should be avoided.

292925 ▶▶▶ Steve Hayes, replying to alw, 5, #462 of 1934 🔗

The bit I liked was his claim that he had researched it.

293276 ▶▶▶▶ Dodderydude, replying to Steve Hayes, #463 of 1934 🔗

Probably involved asking ‘Dr Hilary’.

293554 ▶▶▶▶ Ceriain, replying to Steve Hayes, 1, #464 of 1934 🔗

Course he did:

“Is that the MHRA?”
“Is this shit safe?”
“Good enough for me.”

292979 ▶▶ Nsklent, replying to Steve Hayes, 8, #465 of 1934 🔗

They also said the swine flu vaccine was safe, and if soooo safe why the indemnity. They have already stated that impact on fertility is not known due to incomplete studies – any other areas they may have forgotten?
As for MRHA, UK column had an interesting bit about them, they were under investigation in the past for falsifying data regarding the cervical cancer vaccine.

293036 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to Steve Hayes, 2, #466 of 1934 🔗

Appeal to authority. We all have to outsource to an extent, but the fact not a single item of airtime is given to a dissenting voice? If the argument is strong why not gave an open discussion and make the hesitant out to be plain wrong and move on?

No. MHRA final world. They care deeply about you.

293362 ▶▶▶ Steve Hayes, replying to BeBopRockSteady, #467 of 1934 🔗

But the point is the MHRA simply took Pfizer’s word for it. They didn’t conduct any independent assessment. It’s Pfizer’s word we are all supposed to accept.

293557 ▶▶▶▶ Ceriain, replying to Steve Hayes, #468 of 1934 🔗

It’s Pfizer’s word we are all supposed to accept.

While MHRA accept Pfizer’s cash!

292891 Cecil B, replying to Cecil B, 20, #469 of 1934 🔗

I’ve been saying this June but I’m going to repeat it again

The only game in town are the murders in the death camps

We now know that 21,000 infected and potentially infected patients were transferred from hospitals to the death camps in March and April

Officials were warned against carrying out the transfers. Knowing the risks who gave the order to carry out the transfers?

18,500 of those who were transferred perished

How many of the people already resident in the death camps also died as a result of
these transfers

They know the PCR test is duff. They know there will be no more deaths this year than the five yearly average

They know the ‘vaccine’ is an exercise in flim flam

Vallance yesterday extended house arrest until 2022

Knowing all of the above Mandy wept on TV yesterday. That is one very, very dangerous person

They know they have to keep this charade going because if the truth ever emerges they are going to prison for a very long time

292896 ▶▶ steve_w, replying to Cecil B, 7, #470 of 1934 🔗

I think the chain of command ordering infected into care homes is something we need to get to the bottom of. It happened I think because of Neil Ferguson modelling induced blind panic. But it is unforgiveable. Without those excess deaths this would have looked more like a nothing burger than it already does

292900 ▶▶ annie, replying to Cecil B, 9, #471 of 1934 🔗

Truth will out.
Remember the strutting Nazis of 1940.
Remember the burning corpses outside the bunker.
Remember Nuremberg.
Remember the gallows.

292954 ▶▶▶ Mabel Cow, replying to annie, 3, #472 of 1934 🔗

Sadly, it took 13 years to get from Hitler’s chancellorship to Nuremberg. 2033 anyone? 🙁

292973 ▶▶▶▶ Bill Grates, replying to Mabel Cow, 5, #473 of 1934 🔗

Correct , these zealots are intent on restructuring everything including memory well before 2033.

292981 ▶▶▶▶▶ Llamasaurus Rex, replying to Bill Grates, 3, #474 of 1934 🔗

Yes. It’s impossible now, after all we’ve seen, to not know that we are in a truly Orwellian dystopia, with memory holes, 2+2=5, scapegoats, manufactured divisions, language re-engineering, ultra elites and fucked masses.

293231 ▶▶▶▶▶ David Grimbleby, replying to Bill Grates, 1, #475 of 1934 🔗

Rudolph Steiner posited a future vaccine that would, ‘eliminate the soul with medicine under the pretext of a ‘healthy point of view’.. such that people, thanks to this vaccine will be immune from being subject to the madness of a spiritual life. He would be extremely smart but would not develop a conscience, and that is the true goal of some materialistic circles.

293544 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Bill Grates, replying to David Grimbleby, 1, #476 of 1934 🔗

Correct , his disciples are at the helm now.

293156 ▶▶▶▶ Jonathan Palmer, replying to Mabel Cow, 2, #477 of 1934 🔗

And an alliance of 4 out of 5 of the Major powers of the world.We need to stop this why we still have time and we don’t have long.

293143 ▶▶ Two-Six, replying to Cecil B, 8, #478 of 1934 🔗

Twatt Handycocks emotional meltdown yesterday was very telling. This guy is genuinely worried, like a little boy lost in the woods. He is clearly unhinged and under huge pressure. He knows it. He know he is the most hated man in the UK, he knows he is a liar. He knows he is responsible for the deaths of 10’s of 1000’s of people. He knows he is responsible for the destruction of the UK.

He knows he is fighting for his life with bullshit.
The bastard.

293222 ▶▶▶ eastender53, replying to Two-Six, 2, #479 of 1934 🔗

Hancock is so far out of his depth in other circumstances it would be laughable. Here’s a Health Secretary who stated that Malaria is Infectious. He’s being kept on to be cannon fodder when it all unravels, as is Boris. The real dangerman is Gove who changes sides in a heartbeat and is always ready with the political knife. Boris’s last words may well be ‘et tu Michael’!

292892 mjr, replying to mjr, 7, #480 of 1934 🔗

ffs – BBC breakfast showing live vaccinations. where is the slow motion action replay? where is prick of the day ?

292897 ▶▶ annie, replying to mjr, 9, #481 of 1934 🔗

Prick of the day?
No. 10 Downing Street.

292899 ▶▶ chaos, replying to mjr, 6, #482 of 1934 🔗

The stupid have lined up first. When they run out of stupid they will plead, shame and even pay people to have the experimental fertility life-shortening sorry covid jab. Then will come the digital id. And no one will buy or sell or go to school or travel unless they have the mark.

292932 ▶▶▶ Biker, replying to chaos, 12, #483 of 1934 🔗

They sent a letter to my old dear offering her fifty quid to have a test then another tenner a week for six weeks if she’d test every week, she politely declined their offer, swearing while doing so. I think maybe that’s only the second time in my life i’ve heard her swear, the other time was when she fell down some stairs and broke her leg. At the same time my daughter had a test three days before an operation and they didn’t get the results back and did the operation anyway. It’s a fucking shit show.

292941 ▶▶ Noumenon, replying to mjr, 3, #484 of 1934 🔗

Health porn.

Seriously though, why you watching that ***t? 🙂

292894 chaos, replying to chaos, 6, #485 of 1934 🔗

Crazy theory #2622676
All those turkeys culled in Norfolk at one of the biggest farm suppliers. Bird flu. Yeah. Right. Are they deliberatrely trying to cause a turkey shortage for Xmas? Deliberately trying to block Xmas?

293217 ▶▶ JohnB, replying to chaos, #486 of 1934 🔗

They probably used a PCR test. Work that narrative !

293441 ▶▶ Silke David, replying to chaos, #487 of 1934 🔗

There will be no turkey shortage as all the catering outlets do not need any this year. My company alone in a large market town would have served about 3000 people this December for xmas party nights.

292907 swedenborg, replying to swedenborg, 3, #488 of 1934 🔗


This from Daily Mail and in it is claimed that the data to be released this week from Pfizer show this rare side effect. It seems to be extremely rare in flu vaccines.

293098 ▶▶ Mayo, replying to swedenborg, #489 of 1934 🔗

According to a medscape link the incidence of Bell’s Palsy is 15 to 30 cases per 100k per year, so around 5 to 10 per 100k every 4 months (not sure about length of study before these obs were made).

Since there were only 40k – not 100k – in the study we might expect between 2 and 4 cases so 4 cases is just about in line with general population. However, if all 4 cases were in the vaccinated (not control) group it does suggest a possible link.

292911 Marialta, 4, #490 of 1934 🔗


All these people are delighted and excited to be the first people to get the jab. Thrilled that it allows them to start to mix and be normal again. It’s madness!!! maybe when it dawns on them that that time is not going to come we will finally get the media waking up to the scam. I don’t know but this is an angle we need to push on.

292913 Julian, replying to Julian, 28, #491 of 1934 🔗

Why is Vallance chirping about masks? It’s not his decision. Advisors should shut the hell up and talk to government in private. He’s in the pandemic business. The PM has to go down in history not only as the least competent, the biggest liar and the one who has done the most damage, but also the WEAKEST. Can’t keep his advisors in line.

292972 ▶▶ Victoria, replying to Julian, 10, #492 of 1934 🔗

His is talking it up. Only way to keep people in control.

Anyone wearing a mask is helping them with that

293137 ▶▶ Jonathan Palmer, replying to Julian, 1, #493 of 1934 🔗

I think his advisors are in line.They push the “science” and then Johnson can claim he is following it.
Vallance and others said at the start the evidence for masks was weak,now they are pushing for the use of them indefinitely.Why?

292914 Julian, replying to Julian, 3, #494 of 1934 🔗

Wonder if we’ll see daily updates on the numbers vaccinated. I think we will, if the numbers are high, but not if they are low.

292924 ▶▶ Biker, replying to Julian, 7, #495 of 1934 🔗

They just lie. You’ll never know the real figure. Not one word of truth comes from any of them.

292976 ▶▶ Llamasaurus Rex, replying to Julian, #496 of 1934 🔗

Expect nothing even remotely true coming from MiniTrue. It’s all entirely consistent with PsyOps gaslighting. Or as 77th Brigade would put it: “facts, calling out the misinformation from our enemies in Eurasia Russia”

293307 ▶▶ Dodderydude, replying to Julian, #497 of 1934 🔗

Yes, it will be interesting, particularly as once ‘a batch’ of vaccine phials is refrigerated it must be used within 5 days. This puts pressure on the vaccination programme co-ordinators to keep to a strict and well-organised schedule. Are they capable? I have my doubts. It will also rely on people turning up for scheduled appointments to avoid supplies being spoiled unless a stand-in guinea pig can be found.

293568 ▶▶ Ceriain, replying to Julian, 1, #498 of 1934 🔗

Aw, please don’t! I’d need to open another spreadsheet. 😉

292916 Steve Hayes, replying to Steve Hayes, 12, #499 of 1934 🔗

So in the midst of all the propaganda education about the need to remain vigilant and continue to observe all the rules and practise social distancing that filled this mornings air waves, the news presenters told us about Boris Johnson and Von Der Leyen having dinner tonight at her private residence in order to reach a deal. What they did not report was: Boris Johnson and Von Der Leyen (and others) intend to ignore the Covid 19 restrictions of both countries when they meet later today.

293377 ▶▶ Spikedee1, replying to Steve Hayes, #500 of 1934 🔗

Oh this will end well! Got the deal lads! Boris you twat you have signed us up for another 5 years. Well it was going okay then we had some wine, and then she slipped into something more comfortable, and it all gets a bit hazy after that!!!

292917 Bill Grates, replying to Bill Grates, 2, #501 of 1934 🔗

There are a few earlier posts wondering how/why this is all happening, the answers are complex but here’s a vid worth 25 mins of your time as a partial explanation :-


PS, lots of good info on this site.

292928 ▶▶ mojo, replying to Bill Grates, 5, #502 of 1934 🔗

I agree. This whole farce is covering yet another elephant in the room that no media commentator or journalist is prepared to discuss or indeed publish. The citizens of this country truly are being led to the slaughter

292964 ▶▶▶ Bill Grates, replying to mojo, 2, #503 of 1934 🔗

Anyone with a significant job in any of the relevant “industries” media, politics, science etc has had to pass the gateway beliefs test, so they are all self selected , self propelled propaganda agents.
For many this is the revolution they’ve been waiting for and they are happy to do their part.
In science, whole careers have been spent building for this crisis and they will milk it for all it’s worth.
At the lower levels of these groups eg GPs, teachers etc there is a total lack of critical analysis, what ever comes across their desks as “all ready verified” by those higher up is accepted as beyond further examination and becomes the standing protocol.
The big problem is that the beliefs these people hold are part of their identity and trying to disassemble that is very difficult when their lives/associations/livelihoods are all tied into it.
Until those outside the reach of the insidious global influence organisations eg WHO are able to gain public recognition we are heading to a bad outcome.

293023 ▶▶▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to Bill Grates, 1, #504 of 1934 🔗

The machinery is impressive

I do wonder if such a machine is inevitable in the world we live? If there is an alternative then I wonder where the line is drawn. We can question the motives of the engineers, but is the machine itself inevitable?

292948 ▶▶ IanE, replying to Bill Grates, 1, #505 of 1934 🔗

Good pseudonym there!

292918 Biker, 12, #506 of 1934 🔗

‘Whatever is cool with me’
That used to be the way i lived life but not anymore. These people have made me angry and they won’t like me when i’m angry. It seems the waves of statism are lapping at feet demanding i dance to their tune. Well i never called the tune so i’m not paying the fuckin Piper.

292920 Julian, replying to Julian, 6, #507 of 1934 🔗

Had the misfortune to see that vile public propaganda film about keeping windows open where the people are breathing out green air. It really suggests the virus is airborne, meaning almost all attempts to stop it spreading are futile.

292933 ▶▶ mojo, replying to Julian, 8, #508 of 1934 🔗

Our friends opened the windows in the house and then removed themselves to their beautiful barn with two big heaters. They wanted to prove a point to their children who have really been brainwashed by this stupidity.

292939 ▶▶ Ed Phillips, replying to Julian, 4, #509 of 1934 🔗

See, I’m happy about this. I’ll be going to my in-laws where the heating is always on at surface of the sun levels. A bit of fresh air will relieve the distress!

293185 ▶▶ JohnB, replying to Julian, #510 of 1934 🔗

The ‘green air’ propaganda is quite nasty, and, sadly, very effective. I’ve only seen brief clips on the interweb, and that was quite enough. Fuck SPI-B with a large pole.

292921 mojo, replying to mojo, 23, #511 of 1934 🔗

I and my husband are in the so called vulnerable group. We have never had a flu vaccine and do not intend to start now. This insistence on all the vulnerable being vaccinated is a brea h of our human right to choice. It seems that people we thought understood how important this is. However, so many are now jounung in the mantra of the need for a vaccine. And why twice!!!!

i am assuming that my husband and I will either be killed by vaccine or by isolation and loneliness. Either way not one person in a position of authority is prepared to stand up for liberty and agency.

293015 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to mojo, 7, #512 of 1934 🔗

I feel the same.

The Reform Party and Farage making noises. Tice getting busy too.

Seems a lot of support below the surface of you ask me. Needs a big win.

293026 ▶▶ stewart, replying to mojo, 5, #513 of 1934 🔗

I think it’s called the vulnerable group because they’ve been shoved to the front of the vaccine queue.

293295 ▶▶ Mutineer, replying to mojo, 5, #514 of 1934 🔗

I am in the same position. My own health was ruined by a BCG jab I was forced to have whilst working for the wonderful (hah hah) NHS. The elderly do NOT respond well to vaccines as their immunity is damaged. Trying to stimulate an ineffective immune system can be catastrophic. We are being used as lab rats. This vaccine does not have approval, only emergency approval. I have written to around 30 MP’s and stated quite clearly that, even with cancer, a hip needing replacement and being quite old I am prepared to fight on the streets if necessary. The only thing they fear is dissent.

292922 steve_w, replying to steve_w, 4, #515 of 1934 🔗

this is why sweden ‘seems’ to have done worse than norway

292930 ▶▶ steve_w, replying to steve_w, 14, #516 of 1934 🔗

and with a proper y-axis

cant really see a 1 in a 100 year ‘pandemic’

293009 ▶▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to steve_w, 8, #517 of 1934 🔗

Northern Ireland.

Our NHS has been at breaking point since October

293063 ▶▶▶▶ DavidC, replying to BeBopRockSteady, #518 of 1934 🔗

Lol! Brilliant!


293583 ▶▶▶ Ceriain, replying to steve_w, 1, #519 of 1934 🔗

Nice, Steve. Yeah, it’s a common trick with the MSM.

“These death figures don’t look bad at all, boss.”
“Start the y-axis at 75,000.”
“Oh, wow!” These death figures look awful!”
“You see; send it to print.”

292961 ▶▶ Locked down and out, replying to steve_w, 3, #520 of 1934 🔗

It seems 2019 had a very low mortality figure and 2020 (so far) a higher one, but when combined and averaged out…….

292994 ▶▶▶ steve_w, replying to Locked down and out, 1, #521 of 1934 🔗

yep totalling each 2 year period, this and the last 2 are indistinguishable

dry tinder effect

293013 ▶▶▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to steve_w, 1, #522 of 1934 🔗

Ivor Cummins has been on this since around May. Absolutey astounding ignorance of people to this stuff.

293080 ▶▶▶▶▶ steve_w, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 3, #523 of 1934 🔗

he has been great. I have been trying to share his videos as much as possible. I think the main metrics ‘how many people died this year’ that will come in January for lots of countries might focus minds a bit

293446 ▶▶ Ben, replying to steve_w, 1, #524 of 1934 🔗

Let’s have graphs for quality of life, trashing of human rights and destruction of the economy and see who’s done worst

292923 Dan Clarke, replying to Dan Clarke, 7, #525 of 1934 🔗

The Behavioral Insights Team aka The Nudge Unit was established in the Cabinet Office in 2010 by David Cameron’s government to apply behavioural science to public policy. Now owned partly by the Cabinet Office, by Nesta and by employees, it has operations across the world. Nudging us ……….continuously nudging us……..

292951 ▶▶ mjr, replying to Dan Clarke, 4, #526 of 1934 🔗

the nudge unit is also working on the green agenda
also see this video about green politics in the UK and spot the similarities with covid

293242 ▶▶ David Grimbleby, replying to Dan Clarke, #527 of 1934 🔗

UK Column is good on all this sinister stuff..

292934 Andrew K, replying to Andrew K, 29, #528 of 1934 🔗

I’ve started calling all my facebook friends (well 95% of them are just ex-colleagues) faceless brainwashed muppets as many continually call me selfish for ignoring the rules and all of them can’t accept they’ve been fooled. I will continue to insult them until maybe just one of them finally get’s it. I don’t care anymore if I never ever meet them again.

Now who wants to be my friend, now that I’m billy no mates? 🙁

292942 ▶▶ Mabel Cow, replying to Andrew K, 9, #529 of 1934 🔗

We need a badge: “I’m a sceptic. Please hug me.”

293162 ▶▶▶ Thomas_E, replying to Mabel Cow, 1, #530 of 1934 🔗

Please get me one now!

292944 ▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to Andrew K, 1, #531 of 1934 🔗


292947 ▶▶ Biker, replying to Andrew K, 4, #532 of 1934 🔗

I’ll be your friend, i too confront the mask wearing lunatics and make them explain themselves. None actually can which makes me laugh like a fucking drain at them

292953 ▶▶ Winston Smith, replying to Andrew K, 2, #533 of 1934 🔗

I’d be your your friend, if I used Facebook…..

292982 ▶▶ KBuchanan, replying to Andrew K, 6, #534 of 1934 🔗

You just know in years to come they’ll swear they never really believed in the nonsense. Keep the posts to remind them.

293167 ▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to KBuchanan, #535 of 1934 🔗

Yes. I particularly keep all ‘selfies’ taken in masks. 🙂

292936 Fingerache Philip., 9, #536 of 1934 🔗

On R4 just; a stupid (ain’t they all) expert telling us to “Have a Christmas drink with your neighbours outside in the street, etc blah,etc blah,etc”

292938 Will, 2, #537 of 1934 🔗

So the ONS data, which fits perfectly with the hospitalisation data and the death data (even if the numbers are massively exaggerated) has been “revised” to make it look as though it was “lockdown what won it.” What a load of bollocks.

292940 Dan Clarke, replying to Dan Clarke, 1, #538 of 1934 🔗

Don’t understand Mark Harper’s question when they have already said that the vaccination will not provide immunity

292950 ▶▶ Julian, replying to Dan Clarke, 3, #539 of 1934 🔗

While the CRG are better than nothing, IMO, they seem pretty thick. They need educating. In general they have not grasped the fundamentals: 1) The virus is unexceptional and 2) it cannot be “defeated”

293041 ▶▶▶ Mabel Cow, replying to Julian, 1, #540 of 1934 🔗

CRG = Streetlight Effect : When people look within the system for solutions to the system .

292945 1stJamie, replying to 1stJamie, 10, #541 of 1934 🔗


I will not be volunteering my body for human trails. I am not anti-vax, but I am confused as to why this ‘new’ concept is being called a “vaccine”. Surely hacking into your bodies mRNA should be called Gene Therapy.
A quick search on the internet …..:
I could list many more.

Or would calling it gene therapy (instead of a vaccine) put the sheople off from lining up in the race and rolling their fleeces up??.
I’m a sheep farmer, by the way. We are being treated like experimental livestock.
The scientific and medical world should be ashamed this has been allowed to happen.

292999 ▶▶ IanE, replying to 1stJamie, 8, #542 of 1934 🔗

‘We are being treated like experimental livestock.’

Yep, the UK is now the world’s laboratory for investigating the dangers of Pfizer’s ‘vaccine’ – and we are PAYING for it!

292955 petgor, replying to petgor, 7, #543 of 1934 🔗

Still nothing is being said about which groups of people will not be vaccinated until more is known about side effects. Surely the one group who should escape are those using this untested vaccine – pregnant women and possibly those of child bearing age. Has the Thalidomide factor been taken into account. Can they be sure?

What about those who are on a cocktail of drugs for certain conditions, where again, the effect of the vaccine is unknown?

292956 ▶▶ IanE, replying to petgor, 4, #544 of 1934 🔗

Quite so: it really seems that there is NO data relative to people who might benefit from a successful vaccine!

292957 Zak Thelotofem, replying to Zak Thelotofem, 4, #545 of 1934 🔗

Please watch Dr Pierre Kory speaking (it is really moving and important). Are there any doctors in this country who would consider taking his advice?


292980 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to Zak Thelotofem, 15, #546 of 1934 🔗

It all stinks. Rail roaded vaccines at the cost of billions while such effective cheap treatments are available.

Note how in the video in today’s update Rand Paul makes the excellent point repeatedly, in responded to Dr Kory as well, that it’s hard to get statistical significance when there is so little Covid about. Or that people recover in the vast majority of cases anyway.

And yet I come back to the billions spent on vaccine when so little get SARS-CoV-2, those that do are likely to not even know they have it, the majority of them will not go onto develop symptoms, and majority of those will have mild symptoms, the majority of the rest will be discharged from hospital after a bit of oxygen and steroids. It goes on.

It stinks. The whole thing is being driven by a cabal of compromised regulators and public health officials and a political body suffering from clear corporate capture.


293064 ▶▶▶ DavidC, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 1, #547 of 1934 🔗

And don’t forget the ‘vaccines’ reduce symptoms, they don’t confer traditional immunity.


293059 ▶▶ Andrew K, replying to Zak Thelotofem, 2, #548 of 1934 🔗

Sorry we don’t want a cure for a non pandemic disease. I doesn’t fit into our agenda. In any case we can’t make that mush money out of this drug and the old people must die as they won’t know how to live in a cashless world.

292958 sam, 4, #549 of 1934 🔗

https://www.jpost.com/breaking-news/two-individuals-die-from-pfizer-vaccine-651488 FDA announces deaths of two Pfizer vaccine trial participants • Vaccines expected to arrive in Israel Wednesday

292960 sam, 1, #550 of 1934 🔗
292967 D B, replying to D B, 14, #551 of 1934 🔗

If masks continue into 2022 as a mandated form of state control then we will never see the back of them.

For me the two pillars of our strategy should now be, 1) debunk the PCR tests as a useful tool, a task that is already gaining momentum in Europe so we should be able to piggy back legal challenge onto that – what with the growing pile of evidence that the Lighthouse Labs are not fit for purpose. and 2) The second tenet, and the most important from a visual standpoint should be comprehensively debunking the effectiveness of masks, in the courts in the media, not just being a fleeting few who take action.

My Dad lives in Saudi Arabia, was praising the stinking things to high heaven when we met for lunch recently, (happy to defy the quarantine as long as he’s wearing a mask, and then put the sodding filthy rag on the table) needless to say he got an hour of me preaching against everything and he left more sceptical and didn’t wear it leaving the restaurant.

293038 ▶▶ Banjones, replying to D B, 7, #552 of 1934 🔗

Not a lot of mention in the MSM about the Danish study – and many others – showing that muzzles are ineffective.

293042 ▶▶ FlynnQuill, replying to D B, 13, #553 of 1934 🔗

There is mountains of evidence that face masks are useless. I mean the Danes have just ran a study for seven months FFS saying masks are useless, but the MSM have taken zero notice of it whatsoever. If you tell a lie often enough, it will eventually become the truth. As long as the MSM hold the narrative, we are fucked. Stop the MSM and there is no virus.

293049 ▶▶▶ Ed Phillips, replying to FlynnQuill, 8, #554 of 1934 🔗

Peter Hitchens has put out on his Twitter that the Danish study debunks mask use. The replies he got from true believers were interesting(!)

“It does not debunk it! Ok, they don’t protect you but wearing a mask isn’t about protecting you! It’s about protecting others! And the paper clearly states it wasn’t measuring that. So put your mask on, granny killer!”

That would be a rough paraphrase of much of it.

293058 ▶▶▶▶ FlynnQuill, replying to Ed Phillips, 5, #555 of 1934 🔗

Yes, brainwashing is the only thing this evil government has done successfully during the past eight months. There is no reasoning with these idiots. Cognitive Dissonance at its worse.

293062 ▶▶▶▶ FlynnQuill, replying to Ed Phillips, 5, #556 of 1934 🔗

If you wearing a mask, doesn’t protect you. How the feck can wearing one protect anyone else? If the virus goes straight through your mask, it’s going to go straight through the other wearers mask. The fuckwit who said that is of the lowest intelligence.

293091 ▶▶▶▶▶ Ed Phillips, replying to FlynnQuill, #557 of 1934 🔗

Took a while but I finally found a Tweet referencing it:


293124 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Sarigan, replying to Ed Phillips, 5, #558 of 1934 🔗

I liked this comment:

If happy mask wearers just turned theirs inside out we’d have no issue then!

292968 George Mc, replying to George Mc, 26, #559 of 1934 🔗

And the award for hypocrisy goes to:


In assuring everyone that there will probably be some side effects from the vaccine but it’s OK:

Don’t fall for fake news

The danger is people falsely assume health problems that happen by coincidence are caused by the vaccine. It is easy to predict there will be scare stories in the coming months – whether in the press or on social media, have origins that are misguided or plain malicious. But the truth is that people get sick all the time. Every five minutes in the UK one person has a heart attack and one person has a stroke. More than 600,000 people die each year .”

So suddenly we are so blasé about death figures? Well as long as it’s not COVID!

292984 ▶▶ IanE, replying to George Mc, 2, #560 of 1934 🔗

Hmm, not a lot of self-awareness at the beeb then!?

292993 ▶▶ stewart, replying to George Mc, 5, #561 of 1934 🔗

But the truth is that people get sick all the time. Every five minutes in the UK one person has a heart attack and one person has a stroke. More than 600,000 people die each year .

Hard to figure out whether they are evil or stupid.

293016 ▶▶▶ anon, replying to stewart, 3, #562 of 1934 🔗


293109 ▶▶ A. Contrarian, replying to George Mc, 3, #563 of 1934 🔗

People falsely assume health problems that occur by coincidence are related to the vaccine. Bit like Long Covid then?

292969 arfurmo, replying to arfurmo, 1, #564 of 1934 🔗

Now that’s what I call multitasking. Being tested for the virus, being at death’s door from the virus, sagely discussing something and then comforting a child whose parent has been taken


293099 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to arfurmo, 1, #565 of 1934 🔗

Error. Good work.

293178 ▶▶▶ Thomas_E, replying to BeBopRockSteady, #567 of 1934 🔗

Like a Greek god, in 2 places at the same time. I do that all the time, I’m in 6 places at the same time though because I’m better than her..

292985 Ferd III, replying to Ferd III, 16, #568 of 1934 🔗

Covidiots screamed that the magic vaxx poison would ‘free everyone’. Now we find out from people who can’t make a coffee or fill a bath tub (scientists); that the face diapers will last indefinitely, along with one assumes ‘social distancing’, rolling lockdowns and quite likely a mandatory vaxx jab every few months.

Flu Fascism based on fiction, not science. There is no pandemic. Flu/Resp/Pneumonia deaths are casually moved into CV 19.

Note: I have asked ONS and NHS for access to the raw data. NHS replied that the ONS not the NHS, aggregates the CV death porn but they will not say how this is done. ONS will not say (pending) how they collect the data from various NHS agencies. Yet they want us to believe that their data has merit and has been validated. Clown show.

293052 ▶▶ kh1485, replying to Ferd III, 2, #569 of 1934 🔗

I find it more than sinister that the vaccine is being touted as the thing to ‘set us free’. Now where have I seen something similar …

292986 Leemc23, replying to Leemc23, 41, #570 of 1934 🔗

Hands up who wants to punch Patrick Vallance ?

Hands up who wants to punch him really really hard ?

292995 ▶▶ Llamasaurus Rex, replying to Leemc23, 8, #571 of 1934 🔗

Let’s take turns holding him down, and punching him hard. Or injecting him with some tracer.
Look what these bastards are turning me into? This is not the time though, to turn the other cheek.

293008 ▶▶▶ Leemc23, replying to Llamasaurus Rex, 4, #572 of 1934 🔗

There is not enough time in a day for the amount of punches that man deserves. Casually running his mouth while ruining lives for almost a year now. Scum.

293029 ▶▶▶ Hoppy Uniatz, replying to Llamasaurus Rex, 4, #573 of 1934 🔗

It would be like Murder on the Orient Express, only rather than being found with multiple stab wounds, he’d just be black and blue and missing several teeth.

Poirot: “Helas, it ees probable ze assailant left ze train and will nevair be found.”

293081 ▶▶▶▶ kf99, replying to Hoppy Uniatz, 3, #574 of 1934 🔗

“Alas mon ami , he died of the dreaded mal de coveed .” “But Poirot, these injuries…” “My dear Hastings, they are coveed-related !”

292997 ▶▶ alw, replying to Leemc23, 3, #575 of 1934 🔗

How many times can each person punch him hard? A thousand times from me.

293003 ▶▶ stewart, replying to Leemc23, 1, #576 of 1934 🔗

How about he is jailed and used to test every new drug and vaccine.

293025 ▶▶ Banjones, replying to Leemc23, 5, #577 of 1934 🔗

I’m not suggesting he wishes to punch him (though perhaps he does!) but Dr Mike Yeadon a couple of months ago challenged Vallance to debate him on some covid-related subject. He said he didn’t hear back from him.
I wonder why?

293209 ▶▶ Caramel, replying to Leemc23, 2, #578 of 1934 🔗

I don’t usually have violent thoughts but reading today’s update made my hands itch to hit him.

293349 ▶▶▶ Spikedee1, replying to Caramel, 1, #579 of 1934 🔗

I still like, make them eat a load of sweets, then hang him up by his balls and then pinata his ass with baseball bats.

293002 Leemc23, replying to Leemc23, 9, #580 of 1934 🔗

If n unelected official with far too much sway is in the press talking about masks till 2022 then you and I both know it’s going to be masks forever now.

A measure that will change western society forever needs conclusive and clear unquestioned evidence? If yes, where can I find the evidence that masks work so effectively that they need to be mandated ? There is none.

293017 ▶▶ FlynnQuill, replying to Leemc23, 5, #581 of 1934 🔗

He probably has shares in a mask company and I’m not joking.

293021 ▶▶ Banjones, replying to Leemc23, 7, #582 of 1934 🔗

Yes, it needs to be stressed as often as possible that Wittery and Vallance are UNELECTED. They shouldn’t even have a platform from which to speak to us.

293035 ▶▶▶ Leemc23, replying to Banjones, 9, #583 of 1934 🔗

It’s become a real problem. Civil servants are not permitted to speak to the media outlets and must be neutral to Government policy, yet if you happen to be Vallance, Twitty or indeed a SAGE member you are running to the press to gob off every chance you get, And no one pulls them up on it…..why not?

If Vallance is a champagne socialist then he is doing a fine job destroying the Government by proxy.

Any form of mandate on masks till 2022 means the emergency powers of the Coronovirus act need to be extended to another year to support the extended mask mandate which would come into effect via extension in January……in short, it needs control through parliament not Vallance’s say so via off the cuff remarks. He should be sacked. That he won’t be tells us all that this is going to be policy and that there is no end to this nonsense.

293005 stewart, replying to stewart, 20, #584 of 1934 🔗

A disease that creates no excess deaths and shows nothing more than flu like symptoms in 99%+ of people, solved with a vaccine that doesn’t stop infections but instead just makes the symptoms milder. What a con.

It’s hard to decide what is more impressive, the gall of all those pushing this nonsense knowing it’s BS or the stupidity of those pushing this nonsense thinking it’s true.

293018 ▶▶ Banjones, replying to stewart, 3, #585 of 1934 🔗

There are theraputics and prophylactics far more effective and SAFE. (Unfortunately, they’re cheap.) Someone here posted this link yesterday:


This had been spoken of on Sky News Australia a few weeks ago.


And I was reading about how effective hydrogen peroxide is in deactivating the virus, used as a mouthwash and gargle.

293043 ▶▶▶ chaos, replying to Banjones, 4, #586 of 1934 🔗

I’d go for vitamin D before I went near ivermectin.

293014 Stuart, replying to Stuart, 7, #587 of 1934 🔗

From what pit of Hell did Sir Nochance emerge? From what slough of nightmare? From what pit of despond? On what unfurled leathern wings?

293034 ▶▶ OKUK, replying to Stuart, #588 of 1934 🔗

Good questiions! Wasn’t it Glaxo Smith Klein? Or was that the other one?

293030 crimsonpirate, replying to crimsonpirate, 1, #589 of 1934 🔗

just read the long, long article by Dr Mike Yeadon re PCR mass testing. I wonder if they do mass testing in China? I ask this as, in the UK we had roughly 100k cases last week whereas China have had 93k cases year to date. Begs the question: what is China doing right that the UK is doing wrong?

PS I’m leaving aside the notion of “cases” in this argument.

293033 ▶▶ Janice21, replying to crimsonpirate, 1, #590 of 1934 🔗

I believe China are using a different test and not the PCR one we use here.

293039 ▶▶ chaos, replying to crimsonpirate, 5, #591 of 1934 🔗

I believe China are just making stuff and shipping that stuff, and growing the economy,…

293071 ▶▶ Will, replying to crimsonpirate, 2, #592 of 1934 🔗

If you are asymptomatic in China you are not a case.

293031 calchas, replying to calchas, #593 of 1934 🔗

From January 2020:

“However, a blistering new study by British researchers—and new data showing that cervical cancer rates are surging in British 25- to 29-year-olds—raise numerous questions about officials’ inflated claims. The study’s results indicate, instead, that the jury is still out on whether HPV vaccination is effective.

The question is far from academic because, prior to Britain’s introduction of HPV vaccination in 2008, cervical cancer rates had been trending sharply downward. In fact, between the late 1980s and mid-2000s, cervical cancer rates halved . Now, Britain’s leading cancer research charity (Cancer Research UK) reports a steep 54% rise in cervical cancer in one of the very age groups that first received the vaccine.


293324 ▶▶ Mutineer, replying to calchas, #594 of 1934 🔗

The HPV vaccine is terrible. A killer. Now they even give it to boys. When vaccines cease to be about health and just about profits it’s time to stop.

293032 chaos, replying to chaos, 7, #595 of 1934 🔗

King Kemal and Princess Nut Nut are still in charge of Hunger Games UK. Still at least man-boy Boris has given us panto all year. We are going to walk away without a deal. Oh no you’re not. We’re going to walk away without a deal. Oh no you’re not. Where’s Mr Gates? He’s behind you!

293335 ▶▶ Spikedee1, replying to chaos, #596 of 1934 🔗

Boooooooo, behind you!!!!!!! Sorry wanted to boo the baddie.

293046 flyingjohn, 8, #597 of 1934 🔗

Latest update from Ivor Cummins. This is all anyone needs to know, in 20 minutes. Absolute proof, using official, governments published data that there is no pandemic, lockdowns and masks have no effect on mortality and the continued project fear is a scam.


293047 stewart, replying to stewart, 13, #598 of 1934 🔗

For the last nine months the government has been causing real, objectively verifiable harm to one group of people, destroying businesses and livelihoods, in order to try to help another group of people.

Now they want everyone to take a rushed through vaccine and are appalled, simply appalled, that people might think that the vaccine is anything but safe, because the government would never carelessly inflict harm on people, would it.

Stupid or evil. Still can’t decide.

293075 ▶▶ DavidC, replying to stewart, 3, #599 of 1934 🔗

Evil as a result of stupidity.


293103 ▶▶ anon, replying to stewart, 5, #600 of 1934 🔗


293472 ▶▶ Victoria, replying to stewart, #601 of 1934 🔗

Tiers / Lockdowns
Businesses, Jobs and Dreams

293048 calchas, replying to calchas, 9, #602 of 1934 🔗

Whatever happens now, our society is clearly finished, isn’t it?

The struggle now is to make sure that what comes next is shaped by us and not ‘them’.

293054 ▶▶ Ed Phillips, replying to calchas, 9, #603 of 1934 🔗

We are entering a new epoch. We have been in the birth pangs for some time but it’s really coming into birth now.

It’s up to us to preserve humanity – Human contact, smiles, music, all the rest.

(And yes I’m aware of how pretentious and overblown that sounds. I’m also aware of how hypocritical I am writing this on an internet-enabled computer rather than being with people in real life.)

293067 ▶▶▶ kh1485, replying to Ed Phillips, 10, #604 of 1934 🔗

Re. your bracketed comment, that’s my issue also. Ordinarily, I don’t touch social media as I don’t like the sheer nastiness it generates. But, we are in extraordinary times and this website and the kindliness of the contributors and the humour (thanks Sam V. et.al.) gets me through some pretty shitty days.

293120 ▶▶▶▶ Sam Vimes, replying to kh1485, 5, #605 of 1934 🔗

Bloody hell, fame at last! But seriously, folks, this place is nothing like ‘social media’. It is populated by thinking, questioning, truth-seeking people. I like to think of myself as a ‘scientist by inclination’, ie not in any professional capacity, but someone who thinks critically and ‘looks behind’. Pretty much everyone here is like that, or is an actual scientist. This is the home of the truth.

293610 ▶▶▶▶▶ Ceriain, replying to Sam Vimes, #606 of 1934 🔗

It is populated by thinking, questioning, truth-seeking people.

+1, Sam

Keyword there, for me, is questioning . I impressed this on my children when they were growing up: “question everything and do your own research”.

293138 ▶▶▶ OKUK, replying to Ed Phillips, 2, #607 of 1934 🔗

Agreed! This is one of those historical moments Yuval Noah Harari describes as a “bad bargain”. People are being being offered (ultimately) artificial immunity which will protect us again all diseases, in return for surrendering our personal liberty and perhaps our bodily integrity.

293131 ▶▶ OKUK, replying to calchas, 3, #608 of 1934 🔗

It will require (a) mass demonstrations on the street led by respected figures such as Lord Sumption, Peter Hitchens, Allison Pearson and others and (b) election of a populist anti-lockdown government ,

293065 George Mc, replying to George Mc, 5, #609 of 1934 🔗

Here comes the anti-anti-vax propaganda:


“Patricia is suffering from an unexplained skin condition – but a misunderstanding about what might have caused it set off a chain of events that turned her foot into fodder for anti-vaccine activists. The picture showed purple and red sores, swollen and oozing with pus….Within a day, those same feet had been mentioned thousands of times on Instagram and Facebook. The picture went viral on Twitter as well.

… And it’s true – she was a participant in a trial for the Pfizer/BioNTech vaccine that started to be administered on Tuesday.

But this is also true: Patricia never received the actual vaccine . Medical records show that she received a placebo, a small injection of salt water. (Researchers do this as a matter of routine, to compare groups that receive a drug or a vaccine with those who receive the placebo.)”

See? Her swollen foot had nothing to do with the vaccine. One subtext here is that the vaccine is safe. But of course this isn’t the real subtext:

“Her illness had nothing to do with injections. But that didn’t stop activists twisting her story to advance their own agendas . And on top of the physical pain caused by her condition , Patricia received a wave of online abuse .”

Evil anti-vaxxers! Bastards!

Then a telling diversion which will be picked up later:

“Under America’s mostly private health care system, Patricia was already struggling with medical costs due to a back condition. Now she had to take time off from her job as an archival assistant due to her foot sores.”

Then we move in for the kill:

“The story spread quickly. After an anti-vaccine influencer posted it, it was picked up in several places, including an apocalypse-themed evangelical Christian site that promotes conspiracy theories about vaccines, the Covid-19 pandemic and the US election. The site posted a version of Patricia’s story along with passages from the Bible describing her feet as having “crusting holes that look a whole lot like the ‘grievous sores’ described in [the book of] Revelation “. From there it spread to religion-themed and anti-vaccine Facebook groups around the world.”

And then an interesting insight into a rearrangement of the vaccine trials etiquette:

“As word began to spread, Pfizer and Patricia’s doctors started looking into her participation in the vaccine trial. Normally, participants are not told whether they receive a vaccine or a placebo – that information is only revealed to researchers once the study is complete, so as not to influence the results. But Patricia says that because of the unusual circumstances, researchers and the drug company revealed to her that she had received the salt water placebo, not the trial vaccine . We independently confirmed that fact, and consulted several independent dermatologists who said a saline solution injected into an arm would not cause a skin condition to flare up in someone’s foot .”

(Hmmm… damage control? Oops! Don’t want to be a conspiracy nut!)

Well – the point has to be reiterated and driven home with maximum force:

“..misleading information from spreading…. coronavirus conspiracy theories… pseudoscience influencers…a torrent of abuse on social media…” etc.

Now we get an echo of that curious diversion about the American private heath system:

“Patricia still has medical bills to pay…For her part, Patricia just “wants this to all be over”. She’s hoping that her doctor can find the cause of her condition, and that she can get back to work soon.”

And it all becomes clear: the good people , the downtrodden proles are the ones who will automatically believe the good doctors. They are up against the bad people who are conspiracy nuts, religious fanatics and – it is implied – The Right!

293072 ▶▶ Eddy, replying to George Mc, 6, #610 of 1934 🔗

Billions of dollars Vs Human instinct and the immune system. I know what I trust.

293128 ▶▶ Richard Pinch, replying to George Mc, #611 of 1934 🔗

And then an interesting insight into a rearrangement of the vaccine trials etiquette:

Yes, that’s right. If a subject suffers a severe adverse event then the case is “unblinded”, to discover whether they have taken the treatment or the control. This is obviously what you want in the interests of the subject, so the adverse event can be treated in full knowledge, and in the interests of the trial, so that the adverse event can be investigated for a possible causal connection with the treatment if given.

That’s what you would expect, and that’s what’s normal, and, it would appear, that’s what happened here.

293190 ▶▶ Two-Six, replying to George Mc, #612 of 1934 🔗

Pfizer used the meningitis vaccine as the placebo didn’t they? Not salt water. So this whole story is Bollocks anyway.

293247 ▶▶▶ Richard Pinch, replying to Two-Six, #613 of 1934 🔗

According to their published protocol the control was “Normal saline (0.9% sodium chloride solution for injection)”.

293252 ▶▶▶▶ Two-Six, replying to Richard Pinch, #614 of 1934 🔗

oh ok then. You sure? I am sure I read the meningitis vaccine was used as a placebo in one of the trials, was it the Oxford one?

293262 ▶▶▶▶▶ Richard Pinch, replying to Two-Six, 1, #615 of 1934 🔗

I gave the link to the protocol …

The Oxford trial had a meningitis vaccine as control for the first jab and saline for the second.

293315 ▶▶▶▶▶ mjr, replying to Two-Six, #616 of 1934 🔗

it was the Oxford. .i remember that horrible ginger haired doctor woman talking about it on morning tv

293340 ▶▶ Victoria, replying to George Mc, #617 of 1934 🔗

I though the placebo was another vaccine

293070 Jeremy, replying to Jeremy, 7, #618 of 1934 🔗


ICU doc spells it out.

Watch before youtube takes it down.


293101 ▶▶ mhcp, replying to Jeremy, #619 of 1934 🔗

What I’m interested in is that for the small subset of people who get really ill, is what they have not similar to parasitic diseases? Or to put it another way: is Ivermectin working because it is actually treating a condition, or variant, it normally treats but had been mislabelled?

293106 ▶▶ OKUK, replying to Jeremy, 2, #620 of 1934 🔗

Wow! That is an important video – why aren’t our media bringing the potential of Ivermectin to our attention? The doctor is claiming it’s a 100% effective prophylactic. Perfect for those currently shielding? Obviously the claims need to be assessed but this sounds v positive. It is instructive that the Dems attack the poor guy. The lockdown-masks-economic disaster strategy is clearly a political one not a health-based one.

293125 ▶▶ Janice21, replying to Jeremy, 1, #621 of 1934 🔗

It makes sense to try any sort of anti inflammatory drug along with steriods to assist with respiratory conditions. This clip needs to go viral.

293073 OKUK, replying to OKUK, 22, #622 of 1934 🔗

Heard JHB interviewing Bullshitter Nabarro (WHO’s version of a Papal Legate).

Dearie me.

It showed just how deadly what I call “the Vaccine Fly Trap” is.

Once you do that merry jig about the wonderful vaccine you are trapped in WHO-Vallance logic. Much as she tried, she could get no traction on the issue of relaxing restrictions, having accepted that vaccines are the “solution” to what is really a non-problem, a run of the mill health issue like a bad flu year.

Poor JHB is totally lost now. You can sense her frustration but it’s her own fault.

There was a deeply sinister moment when, in response to JHB’s desperate plea for confirmation that we could get back to normal once the vulnerable have been vaccinated, Nabarro said something like:

“We will get back to normal eventually…but it won’t be the same normal. ”

She then tried to interpret that as meaning we’ll all have to keep washing our hands more! The malevolent Nabarro offered her no comfort.

JHB approached this interview the wrong way in every way. She genuflected to this chancer as though he were a wise and cuddly Nobel Prize winner rather than some v average medic who got on the international gravy train. She asked no hard questions of him about eg how and why WHO changed its advice on the efficacy of masks in the Spring or why they seem so willing to do China’s bidding or even how huge his salary for serving up bullshit might be (Nabarro has suggested before he is in his job for humanitarian reasons! – what a fibster!!).

293097 ▶▶ Jonathan Palmer, replying to OKUK, 17, #623 of 1934 🔗

Anyone who supports an untested experimental vaccine for an unremarkable virus needs to realise;The vaccine is the key to the whole charade.
Once you cede the principle that the government have the right to administer anything into your body,then you become a servant of the government.
They are telling us there is no return to normal,ever.
Vaccines tied to an immunity passport is game over for freedom.
Nabarro is Bill Gates mouthpiece and they are planning 10 years of health.
Each year you will be expected to be vaccinated for another disease and barred from participating in public life until you have these jabs.

293119 ▶▶▶ OKUK, replying to Jonathan Palmer, 19, #624 of 1934 🔗

Mandatory masking is an absolutely key element in disciplining the populace just as drill is for preparing soldiers to obey orders, even ones that put their life at risk.

We seem to have ended up in a v dark place.

293346 ▶▶▶▶ Tom in Scotland, replying to OKUK, 1, #625 of 1934 🔗

You can say that again. I still can’t believe it sometimes. I just hope a combination of bad vaccine side effects, economic disaster, and simple fatigue/disillusionment will wake people up in the new year. Otherwise, we’re screwed.

293102 ▶▶ Tyneside Tigress, replying to OKUK, 4, #626 of 1934 🔗

You hit the nail on the head in your last paragraph – pretty much all of ‘the science’ and ‘medic’ protagonists in this saga are those that did not cut it at the coal face. They then migrated into ‘public health’. If you have time, read the transcript from Sir Jeremy Farrar’s outing on Desert Island Discs.

293355 ▶▶▶ Tom in Scotland, replying to Tyneside Tigress, #627 of 1934 🔗

This is very true. I see it in the academic world all the time (those who were poor researchers and/or teachers end up in ‘administration’, often with lots of perks). They become very self-important. Public health used to be respectable but is now full of woke marxists. It seems to be a branch of sociology now.

293742 ▶▶▶▶ kf99, replying to Tom in Scotland, #628 of 1934 🔗

It’s as if some clever people spotted an opportunity. This obscure discipline called ‘public health’, so hidden away, lurking somewhere in the middle management ranks of the public sector, is actually the idea way to impose your politics on others. Without the bother of actually getting elected.

293165 ▶▶ Julian, replying to OKUK, 1, #629 of 1934 🔗


She can be quite feisty

Maybe Mike Graham would have done a better job

They are of very poor quality these days

I’m no genius but I am confident I could take most of these chancers apart

Most people who post here would slaughter them

The narrative has really sunk into people and they cannot get out of the false paradigm

293166 ▶▶ Bella Donna, replying to OKUK, 4, #630 of 1934 🔗

I feel some sympathy, not a lot, for these elderly people who think having this vaccine will enable them to get their lives back. It won’t, it was never their intention to let us have our lives back.

293223 ▶▶▶ stewart, replying to Bella Donna, 2, #631 of 1934 🔗

Blackmail rarely ends with just the one payment.

293176 ▶▶ stefarm, replying to OKUK, 1, #632 of 1934 🔗

It won’t be normal as many small to medium businesses will go bust, less opportunity to shop around or try out a restaurant or country pub, go to cinemas, music venues closed. Big business only.

Hold on a minute it’s all in the technocracy handbook…………..

293177 ▶▶ PCNoMore, replying to OKUK, 6, #633 of 1934 🔗

JHB is her own worst enemy. Instead of asking just one well phrased open question, she repeatedly launches into a monologue containing three of four questions mixed up with a couple of facts and a good slice of opinion. It’s not difficult for an evasive interviewee to simply select the least contentious question to answer or choose to respond to one of her facts or opinions instead. It’s no surprise that most of her interviews end in a frustrated impasse and a real shame as she could be could be a really effective interviewer if she just paused before opening her mouth.

293319 ▶▶▶ Spikedee1, replying to PCNoMore, 2, #634 of 1934 🔗

Yes what I always say to my daughter, when your mouth is moving you are not learning anything. Her questions are too wordy and tries to feed an answer. Most modern interviewers do this. Instead of, how and why do lockdowns work? Why did you lie about what happened in wuhan?

293211 ▶▶ stewart, replying to OKUK, 3, #635 of 1934 🔗

Raising questions about vaccinations today is like raising questions about god in medieval society. It’s dangerous.

293077 Zak Thelotofem, #636 of 1934 🔗

293082 Sarigan, replying to Sarigan, 10, #637 of 1934 🔗

So 2 NHS staff suffered allergic reactions to the Pfizer vaccine……

293083 ▶▶ Be Unshakeable, replying to Sarigan, 8, #638 of 1934 🔗

This is going to be an unmitigated clusterfuck. I can smell it. Poor bastards.

293087 ▶▶ Major Panic, replying to Sarigan, 4, #639 of 1934 🔗

I believe there is a possible likelihood that I may suffer from allergic reaction to covid vaccines

No vaccine for me

293089 ▶▶▶ Major Panic, replying to Major Panic, 3, #640 of 1934 🔗

I assume my vaccine passport will state ”allergic to vaccines”

293183 ▶▶▶▶ OKUK, replying to Major Panic, -1, #641 of 1934 🔗

But it might still be “sorry you can’t get on the plane then”

293090 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to Sarigan, 6, #642 of 1934 🔗

I just seen a headline they’ve now advised that people who suffer allergic reactions not to get the vaccine.

293118 ▶▶▶ Ewan Duffy, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 1, #643 of 1934 🔗

Tomorrow’s ‘we care for you’ notice:

Don’t buy losing lottery tickets.

293182 ▶▶▶ OKUK, replying to BeBopRockSteady, #644 of 1934 🔗

The only silver lining in the Covid cloud – the light being shone on vaccine safety, or should I say “induced risk”.

293108 ▶▶ kh1485, replying to Sarigan, #645 of 1934 🔗

I’m surprised they haven’t wheeled out the, if you think a medication will have an adverse effect, it will, theory.

293085 kh1485, replying to kh1485, 7, #646 of 1934 🔗

I wonder when Margaret will be giving her first (emotional) interview to Piers Morgan. I must say, she looks bloody good for a 90 year old.

293147 ▶▶ OKUK, replying to kh1485, 1, #647 of 1934 🔗

Thanks for the warning. I’ll order in an extra sick bucket.

293310 ▶▶ mjr, replying to kh1485, 1, #648 of 1934 🔗

they are probably going to set her and Captain Tom up on one of those dating programmes that ITV2 does and broadcast it next time there is some bad news to hide

293094 johnthebridge, replying to johnthebridge, 1, #649 of 1934 🔗

If no-one, including Vallance, knows, if after being vaccinated, the lurgy remains transmissible or not, then what is the point of being vaccinated?
Evidently the vaccine doesn’t stop you from catching the damn thing, merely “lessens the effect” but, if it IS transmissible, it would then appear you can still give it to someone else!
As those 55 and under are increasingly less likely to suffer from this, one wonders why anyone would bother with getting vaccinated but, let’s suppose a 25 year old care assistant has the vaccine. Yippee!
He/she then goes, care-free and vaccinated, into their place of work, where old people are being “cared for” and then—what?

293116 ▶▶ Mike, replying to johnthebridge, 2, #650 of 1934 🔗

I suspect thats possibly the intention.

293155 ▶▶ Julian, replying to johnthebridge, 2, #651 of 1934 🔗

Indeed. It mitigates symptoms – but if, like our government, you believe in the magic of asymptomatic transmission then getting the jab only helps you, not others

They can’t have it both ways

Why are the fuckwitted journalists calling them out on this?

293240 ▶▶▶ stewart, replying to Julian, #652 of 1934 🔗

The answer is in the question. Because they are fuckwitted.

293224 ▶▶ Will, replying to johnthebridge, 2, #653 of 1934 🔗

The vaccine is like the masks and holy water, useless but believable if you have been terrified witless of a phantom that really doesn’t exist.

293352 ▶▶ Mrs issedoff, replying to p02099003, 1, #655 of 1934 🔗

I’m higher up the list than I would have been because I had a stroke a couple of years ago. Not only will I not have the vaccine but this whole shit show has made me question all aspects of health care and medicine. I was put on the highest dose of statin as the only thing found after my tests was slightly raised ‘bad’ cholesterol. I have been really loathed to take it due to conflicting views, I have now decided to stop.

293110 Harry hopkins, replying to Harry hopkins, 15, #656 of 1934 🔗

I’m not an anti vaxxer by any means as I’ve had jabs for shingles, pneumonia, and flu,
but this whole Covid-19 scamdemic has made me seriously question my whole attitude to the state administering man made chemicals into my body. Wild horses won’t get me to have this Covid poison injected into me.

I’m particularly struck by the recent words of an American doctor—Dr Kelly Brogan:

‘Vaccination is penetration of the body, mind and spirit by the state.’


293469 ▶▶ Victoria, replying to Harry hopkins, 3, #657 of 1934 🔗

Great post. Question everything

Shingles (herpes zoster) normally happens when the body is run down (lowered immune system). L-lysine is very effective in preventing/suppressing the herpes virus. Also reduce all the arginine containing foods during this healing time: chocolate, alcohol, caffeine, sugar etc


L- Lysine is effective for all the herpes type infections – reduces/heals the ‘blisters’ quickly :

  • Chicken pox (varicella zoster, a type of herpes virus)
  • Cold sores (herpes simplex virus)
293491 ▶▶▶ Harry hopkins, replying to Victoria, #658 of 1934 🔗

Many thanks Victoria for that reply. Mrs Hopkins suffers from cold sores fairly regularly, I shall pursue L-Lysine for her. Thanks again 🙂

293121 Mayo, replying to Mayo, 8, #659 of 1934 🔗

Don’t take the vaccine if you have any allergies.


We’re starting to learn a lot from this latest UK phase III trial.

293132 ▶▶ Janice21, replying to Mayo, 9, #660 of 1934 🔗

I get hayfever and am slightly allergic to cats and some washing powders and nickel. I also may want to have another baby in the next few years. Thats a definate NO from me.

293144 ▶▶▶ OKUK, replying to Janice21, 2, #661 of 1934 🔗

My daughter is in a similar position. I will be strongly advising her not to have the vaccine. I’m v worried she might be swayed by social media propaganda.

293161 ▶▶▶▶ Janice21, replying to OKUK, 2, #662 of 1934 🔗

The very fact pregnant women can not have it and they have no outcome on how it may affect fertility should be all your daughter needs to know to make a choice.

293139 ▶▶ Major Panic, replying to Mayo, 2, #663 of 1934 🔗

and if you are not sure if you may/may not be allergic to any of the ingredients in the vaccine – do you really need to take the risk to find out?

293141 ▶▶▶ Major Panic, replying to Major Panic, 4, #664 of 1934 🔗

Is a vaccine necessary to protect us from testing positive in PCR tests

293226 ▶▶ Will, replying to Mayo, #665 of 1934 🔗

Stopped clocks and all that Mayo but you are quite right 🤪

293289 ▶▶▶ Mayo, replying to Will, 2, #666 of 1934 🔗

I’m not sure what you mean by “stopped clocks”. Just because I disagree with certain arguments put forward by Lockdown Sceptics, it doesn’t mean I agree with (a) lockdowns (I DON’T) and (b) the rushed use of a vaccine which I think will be fine but can’t say for sure at this point in time.

I disagree with Yeadon on the scale of the False Positive problem and I disagree strongly about the level of herd immunity in the population. In fact they might actually contradict each other. I’m not sure how we’ve achieved herd immunity if there have been no infections.

293123 kh1485, 13, #667 of 1934 🔗

Just donated another exempt lanyard (thanks Jean!). This lady is tiny, a real gentle soul and she tells us that the door thugs at the supermarket are always on at her for not wearing a mask. Real brave, aren’t they. Anyway, hopefully, she can now shop in relative peace.

293126 Ferd III, replying to Ferd III, 12, #668 of 1934 🔗

Is the first vaxx photo a fraud?

First vaxx Guinea Pig is supposedly Marg Keenan of Coventry. Why is the Dec 8th photo/vid opp exactly the same in all respects, as that of an Oct 22nd photo/video shot? Same everything including chair and clothes. Why does Keenan look 65 not 90? Why on CNN and Spanish media is she 102 back in October? Who the hell is Marg Keenan of ‘Coventry’ ? Is she an actress aged 65, where is she really from ? Can anyone in Coventry confirm her existence within an NHS trust there?

293129 ▶▶ Lainey, replying to Ferd III, 1, #669 of 1934 🔗

Can you put a link / photo to the CNN photo from Oct?

293140 ▶▶▶ Richard Pinch, replying to Lainey, #670 of 1934 🔗

Brandolini’s Law.

293130 ▶▶ Janice21, replying to Ferd III, #671 of 1934 🔗

Apparently she was born originally in Co Fermanagh, N Ireland.

293179 ▶▶▶ Ferd III, replying to Janice21, 1, #672 of 1934 🔗

LBC reports she is an actress named Jill Scott.

293187 ▶▶▶▶ OKUK, replying to Ferd III, #673 of 1934 🔗

Are you with the Brigade? No links nonsense. I’ll happily apologise if you can serve up some evidence.

293195 ▶▶▶▶▶ Ferd III, replying to OKUK, 1, #674 of 1934 🔗

Brigade? Who the hell is that? She is def not 91. Fox 13, CNN in October had the same person. They have scrubbed it but plenty of people have captured screen shots from the original. LBC not me, maintains she is Jill Scott an actress. Go ask LBC if they are in the Brigade.

293207 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to Ferd III, #675 of 1934 🔗

LBC is just the photo on the left. Someone has done a bit of digging and put the two photos side by side. LBC did not report this.

293236 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ OKUK, replying to BeBopRockSteady, #676 of 1934 🔗

Quite. They’ve swiped through Spotlight until they’ve found someone who looks vaguely similar. So bogus.

293241 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ OKUK, replying to Ferd III, #677 of 1934 🔗

All bogus info and I’m surprised if you post here if you don’t know who “the Brigade” are.

293200 ▶▶▶▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to OKUK, 1, #678 of 1934 🔗

It’s Internet standard. Crisis actor theories.

293202 ▶▶ Mayo, replying to Ferd III, 1, #679 of 1934 🔗

According to Freebmd

Philip Keenan married Margaret Cassidy in 1957 in Coventry. They had a least 2 children Philip (b 1959) & Susan (b 1963).

No idea if this is the same woman but her age in 1957 would have been 28 so about the right age to be getting married.

According to 192.com Margaret Keenan lives with Philip Keenan in the CV2 area of the city (the same area as UHCW hospital).

Not conclusive proof but it likely to be genuine.

293227 ▶▶▶ OKUK, replying to Mayo, #680 of 1934 🔗


293312 ▶▶ Victoria, replying to Ferd III, #681 of 1934 🔗

Great Question – Who is Marg Keenan of Coventry?

293133 Dan Clarke, 7, #682 of 1934 🔗

The problem with the world now is that you could sell politicians anything, any theory, any scientific hocus pocus, they just do not have the ability for critical thought, they are groomed by those with agenda’s.

293146 Bella Donna, replying to Bella Donna, 7, #683 of 1934 🔗

My mobile hairdresser has just been and gone. She said she approached a care home to ask if they needed her services. She was told she must have a covid test and 5 days later she was allowed in. She was saying how ridiculous it all was because during those 5 days whose to say she hadn’t contracted covid in the meantime? She also said business isn’t as busy as she thought it would be, people are self isolating because they want to see their family over Christmas!!

293149 ▶▶ Julian, replying to Bella Donna, 3, #684 of 1934 🔗

Send her round to me please! I am turning into a hippy.

Does she insist on you wearing a mask?

293169 ▶▶▶ Lockdown_Lunacy, replying to Julian, #685 of 1934 🔗

Haha, where are you based roughly? My wife’s friend is a hairdresser trying to get more mobile business. She cut our hair during lockdown 1.0 and was bringing her son round to play with my daughter so I can’t imagine she’d insist on customers masking up!

293180 ▶▶▶▶ Julian, replying to Lockdown_Lunacy, #686 of 1934 🔗

I’m in the home counties, north of London

293189 ▶▶▶▶▶ Lockdown_Lunacy, replying to Julian, #687 of 1934 🔗

Ah probably too far for her to go then, we’re in Hampshire.

293148 Cheezilla, replying to Cheezilla, 17, #688 of 1934 🔗

From DT Live:

UK regulators have issued a warning that people who have a history of “significant” allergic reactions should not currently receive the Pfizer/BioNTech Covid-19 vaccine after two NHS staff members who had the jab suffered allergic reactions.
This means that anyone scheduled to receive the vaccine on Wednesday will be asked about their history of allergic reactions.

Isn’t checking for allergies standard medical practice before any treatment?
They really did throw away the rule book in the rush!

293157 ▶▶ Janice21, replying to Cheezilla, 8, #689 of 1934 🔗

I was going to say unbelievable but these days nothing really shocks me anymore. How are we to ever trust any medical professional ever again. Our lives are literally in their hands.

293268 ▶▶▶ stewart, replying to Janice21, 3, #690 of 1934 🔗

You trusted them before?

3 close relatives have suffered badly from medical “mistakes”.
Don’t really blame the doctors, the human body is complex and confident as they try to sound they don’t really know that much about it.

Doctors are a last resort as far as I’m concerned.

293626 ▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Janice21, 1, #691 of 1934 🔗

I work hard to keep my life well away from their hands!

293160 ▶▶ Major Panic, replying to Cheezilla, 6, #692 of 1934 🔗

Historically – I feel like shit the day after 10 pints of Stella – is that a ”significant” allergic reaction to something in lager?

293181 ▶▶▶ calchas, replying to Major Panic, 10, #693 of 1934 🔗

I have a leather allergy myself.

Whenever I have fallen into bed without taking my shoes off I always wake up the next morning with a splitting headache.

293198 ▶▶▶▶ OKUK, replying to calchas, #694 of 1934 🔗

Thank you for raising a smile!

293215 ▶▶▶▶ wendyk, replying to calchas, #695 of 1934 🔗


293293 ▶▶▶▶ mjr, replying to calchas, 1, #696 of 1934 🔗

which is as realistic an example of cause and effect as the whole covid con

293280 ▶▶▶ arfurmo, replying to Major Panic, 2, #697 of 1934 🔗

Did you have any crisps or nuts? There’s always a rogue one that gets you.

293235 ▶▶ godowneasy, replying to Cheezilla, 6, #698 of 1934 🔗

According to the BBC article on this:
Similar reactions were not seen in the clinical trials for this drug in which more than 20,000 people were vaccinated, although people with a history of allergic reactions would not have been recruited.

SO, it’s day one and there are already examples of adverse reaction in people who were excluded from the trials. Why the hell didn’t the MHRA issue this warning in advance? Why were the two NHS workers given the jab in the first place?

293265 ▶▶▶ stewart, replying to godowneasy, 1, #699 of 1934 🔗

Presumably that is why it takes years to approve vaccines, in order to test for a wide range of potential adverse reactions

293163 Be Unshakeable, replying to Be Unshakeable, 16, #700 of 1934 🔗

What a disgrace. Someone just linked this video (sorry I can’t see the comment but hat-tip to you for posting, thank you so much).

A Dr tells the US senate that his team, some of the foremost in the world in their field, are seeing amazing results from Ivermectin.

His team had flagged this in August. He describes it as a miracle cure .

Anyone with a pet will likely know that Ivermectin is cheap and freely available as used in flea spot-on treatment for pets.

This treatment is being withheld so that contracts for hugely expensive and very dodgy vaccines can be bought instead.

Our own goverment is responsible for colluding with big pharma and the net result is a huge human experiment in unproven mRNA technology, massive misallocation of tax capital, and allowing people to die without recieving simple effective treatment for the sake of profit.

Heads need to fucking roll for this.



293168 ▶▶ Janice21, replying to Be Unshakeable, 3, #701 of 1934 🔗

Poor guy, you can see and hear the sheer frustration on his face and in his voice.

293171 ▶▶▶ Be Unshakeable, replying to Janice21, 5, #702 of 1934 🔗

I feel so sorry for him, he is furious, and rightly so. This guy is a hero. What he says about having to watch people die is heart breaking.

(EDIT: Found it, it was Jeremy that posted it – nice one fella. Sorry for posting again but this needs to be spread everywhere).

293196 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to Be Unshakeable, 2, #703 of 1934 🔗

Collusion is the word for sure.

293338 ▶▶ Victoria, replying to Be Unshakeable, #704 of 1934 🔗

Heads need to fucking roll for this.


Sadly, despite this life saving information being made available it will actively being censored – too cheap and will reduce profits from expensive drugs (that don’t work).

It happens all the time.

Case Dismissed! Texas Ends 15-Year Fight Against Cancer Doctor Burzynski

  • After a 15-year long battle, the Texas Medical Board has officially ended its crusade to revoke Dr. Stanislaw Burzynski’s medical license in an effort to end the use of his pioneering personalized gene-targeted therapy for cancer
  • Evidence has shown in the past that the FDA has pressured the Texas Medical Board to revoke Dr. Burzynski’s medical license—despite the fact that no laws were broken, and his treatment was proven safe and effective


293164 Margaret, replying to Margaret, 2, #705 of 1934 🔗

I was interested to read David C’s chart in yesterday’s edition, where he looked at all the registered deaths so far this year and compared them to the percentage of deaths per population total for previous years. I hope that I’ve understood this chart correctly.

He gave two estimates for the remaining weeks of this year- one where deaths peaked at a similar total to March/April and the other a more realistic, but still generous, estimate.

In the first estimate, the percentage of total deaths/total population came 40th out of the past 70 years in severity and the second estimate for 2020 came 50th out of the last 70 years.

My question to the statisticians out there is this: what do we say to those people who will tell us that the death totals would have been much higher without lockdowns etc?(yes I know lockdowns don’t work but that’s what they will say)

I know we can bring into the argument that these deaths include the huge numbers of elderly who died as a result of being sent home from hospitals to care homes-(presumably they were in hospital for some reason) plus we can bring in those who died as a result of the NHS being closed down to them.

Are there any other factors we can bring in to counter the argument that lockdowns kept down the number of total deaths this year?

I like to be fully armed with the facts.

293191 ▶▶ Dan Clarke, replying to Margaret, 4, #706 of 1934 🔗

Apart from the first couple of weeks, no one was locked down really, millions flew into the country and didn’t isolate, yet the numbers stabilised in June. We had Eat out, the numbers did not rise.

293279 ▶▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to Dan Clarke, #707 of 1934 🔗

This is true. People only really took notice in March. This is for my own area mapped against Google mobility, credit to Ivor Cummins for the idea of course.

You can see the second lockdown came when mobility was already dropping due to end of summer. Maybe some fear due to increasing cases but rmemeber schools are back too. From the lockdown in October, it doesn’t drop much more, pretty much nothing. Starts rising pretty soon afterwards. Cases fall anyway.

Cases I know. But deaths are averaging around 1 a day in this area so it doesn’t provide any insight.

293192 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to Margaret, 6, #708 of 1934 🔗

I think that it should be evident that lockdowns prevented deaths simply by looking at the progression and the curvature.

If you inititiated a harsh lockdown in March like the UK, and we can see from mobility data that it did reduce people’s movements dramatically, and this had a dramatic impact on deaths, would you see a slow decline of a nature that had already begun before lockdown? Surely you’d see a visible drop off that such a sledgehammer would create? It’s not there.

There is a huge peak and that’s Care Homes disasters. For which we will see people in the Dock. And if you removed that it would be even less noticeable to see the lockdown having any impact. The virus rises and falls as you’d expect.

Then, because this was lock step policy across the vast majority of countries, you could back up your lockdown saves lives theory with consistent confirmation of the short sharp hit. I haven’t seen this. The trend, which looks fmore like seasonality as the key driver, is the same.

The burden of proof is firmly on the lockdown advocates. All I see is the argument “well, close social settings, less interactions and less transmission. HOW COULD IT NOT WORK?”

They simply can’t get over their bias.

293214 ▶▶▶ DavidC, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 2, #709 of 1934 🔗

BeBop, I couldn’t agree more. The moving of old and ill people back into nursing and care homes and then locking them down with untrained staff to me was government mandated murder, and no less than that. Without that spike in excess deaths through the end of March and into April this would be even more of an unexceptional year in terms of total deaths.

One point about excess deaths. This is the excess over the average for the last five years. We had a low year in 2018-2019 so the five year average is lower, hence any excess deaths are going to look greater if we are returning to a longer term average.

The death rate (deaths per 100,000 or deaths per million) has been falling since the 1950s (the earliest I’ve seen data for) with an uptick since around 2013 but still to nowhere near thos early figures.


293197 ▶▶ DavidC, replying to Margaret, 1, #710 of 1934 🔗

Thanks for referencing my post yesterday Margaret. Ivor Cummins and Tom Woods have both had videos with charts showing the (non!) effects of masks and lockdowns. With a little work one could find the source charts I think.




293274 ▶▶ RickH, replying to Margaret, 1, #711 of 1934 🔗

I suggest watching Ivor Cummins’s comprehensive last couple of videos, showing the lack of impact of lockdown on the curve of infections and deaths.

He also links to the body of more detailed research.

293173 calchas, replying to calchas, 2, #712 of 1934 🔗

Whatever one’e opinion on this whole affair, from a Game Theory perspective it still makes sense not to get vaccinated, or at least to wait a substantial time.

Why should one be a pioneer – a first mover – with a rushed new technology.

Game Theory predicts that the most rational strategy is that people should all just sit around waiting for each other to test the vaccine.

293230 ▶▶ Tyneside Tigress, replying to calchas, 3, #713 of 1934 🔗

I think that would only be true if the payoffs were identical to each person. What is happening/seems to be happening is that older people see a larger payoff/lower downside risk to going early, whereas those with lower/negligible payoff from receiving a vaccine will rationally chose to wait or forego until they can see the full portfolio of risks. Clearly today’s announcement that two NHS workers suffered anaphylactic shock will heighten the perceived risk to the otherwise healthy – will it deter the elderly though?

293238 ▶▶▶ DavidC, replying to Tyneside Tigress, #714 of 1934 🔗

Do you have a link for the anaphylactic shock story please?


293263 ▶▶ RickH, replying to calchas, 1, #715 of 1934 🔗

I’m not sure that you need game theory to work this one out – the balance is so obvious.

293174 swedenborg, 7, #716 of 1934 🔗

Posted yesterday the senate hearing video and th treatment protocol of Ivermectin from Dr Cory and his group.
Here is a fllow up interview.This is urgent recommendations.


293175 wendyk, replying to wendyk, 3, #717 of 1934 🔗

Perhaps in the future,should sanity and normality ever prevail, this dystopian era will come to be known as the Game of Drones, both in the surveillance sense-ensuring that the hoi polloi aren’t revolting-and the zombification sense,as the maskerons proliferate in the open air and obediently follow all the diktats imposed by the likes of Shuttlecock, Boris, Biden, Sturgeon and the rest of the generously rewarded movers and shakers.

Game of Thrones, was a great success,although I haven’t watched it; how will the Game of Drones play out?

293245 ▶▶ Liam, replying to wendyk, 2, #718 of 1934 🔗

From now on I’ll refer to the clown at No 10 as Boris Joffrey, the crazed, vicious, spoiled, blonde boy king whose most memorable line was “All are mine to torment!”

293305 ▶▶▶ wendyk, replying to Liam, 1, #719 of 1934 🔗

Spot on!

293188 swedenborg, replying to swedenborg, 6, #720 of 1934 🔗

Radiointerview with McKernan one of the most important person attacking Drosten’s PCR method.

Kevin McKernan on the review of the Corman-Drosten PCR methodology that he co-authored–and some words of appreciation for my listeners!

293273 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to swedenborg, #721 of 1934 🔗

I’ll send that man a crimbo hamper. He’s excellent

293194 Cheezilla, replying to Cheezilla, 7, #722 of 1934 🔗

More from DT Live:

Asked on whether lockdowns could be ended in light of the rollout, Professor Whitty insists any decision to lift restrictions would be a “political and societal one”.

Hmmm. Nice bit of political buck-passing.

Gets worse!

Prof Whitty has said people may need to be re-vaccinated after nine months.
… “We don’t know how long that lasts, it might last for a very long time, it might last for nine months.
“I think it’s more likely to be somewhere in between those two, in which case we may have to be in a position to re-vaccinate people, especially the most vulnerable.”
He said scientists are also yet to establish if vaccines will protect people the person vaccinated comes into contact with.

293271 ▶▶ JHuntz, replying to Cheezilla, 4, #723 of 1934 🔗

Again he’s just plucking numbers out his arse. Where does he get 9 months and then in the next sentence somewhere in between. So 4.5 months? Where the fuck is he getting these numbers?

293203 Dan Clarke, replying to Dan Clarke, 3, #724 of 1934 🔗

We all have allergy’s now

293291 ▶▶▶ swedenborg, replying to chris, 6, #726 of 1934 🔗

Two with anaphylactoid reaction (serious).Both had severe allergic reactions earlier but the article doesn’t state to what but I assume not to any earlier vaccines and I assume as NHS workers they would have had Hep B vaccines. This is concerning and the MHRA already the day after the launch, having 2 such reactions and now already warning added to the vaccine avoiding it for those with severe allergic reactons(vaccine passports dwindle by the day with many exceptions now).This is bad news for the Pfizer launch,if this press report is true in all details. But NHS workers can be protected prophylactically with Ivermectin.

293233 ▶▶ alw, replying to Dan Clarke, #727 of 1934 🔗

Well that didn’t take long….take up now will be very much diminished.

293234 ▶▶ Charlie Blue, replying to chris, #729 of 1934 🔗

This is great stuff! No doubt it will be ignored.

293246 ▶▶ leggy, replying to chris, #730 of 1934 🔗

Here’s the paper showing that 100% of their positives were false – https://www.cam.ac.uk/sites/www.cam.ac.uk/files/documents/pooled_testing_report_30nov-6dec.pdf

293288 ▶▶▶ mjr, replying to leggy, 4, #731 of 1934 🔗

and i wonder how many of the 257 that actually tested positive (out of around 50000 tests over the 9 weeks) were ill?
As these were students there were probably more of them suffering from STDs than covid!!!

293269 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to chris, #732 of 1934 🔗

You can see the mental gymnastics that people have to go through to defend their bias and continue the plague narrative. FPR of 0.3% would still provide lockdown levels of cases. As pointed out. However, we get this victim who points out “oh, but they were testing asymptomatic people”.

So no Covid in asymptomatics? What is it? They are the silent killer are they not. Next level gymnastics required.

293300 ▶▶▶ Liam, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 2, #733 of 1934 🔗

Joe doesn’t look right in the head. I think he meant to write his surname as “Vegetable”.

293283 ▶▶ Victoria, replying to chris, 4, #734 of 1934 🔗

Great post

BREAKING: 100% PCR false positives found at Cambs Uni last week using their own gold standard lighthouse laboratory, when results were double checked with second test. Govt MUST now accept my treble test challenge with Lateral Flow & independent PCR.

293350 ▶▶▶ JHuntz, replying to Victoria, #735 of 1934 🔗

Thanks for this. What a fucking joke this PCR scam is.

293208 Harry hopkins, replying to Harry hopkins, 20, #736 of 1934 🔗

‘Masks to continue into 2022’—Vallance.

For those of us who have never worn a mask since day one of this scam it’s somewhat entertaining to see Mr Unbalanced talking to himself and thinking that it will have any effect on the great masses of people who are now becoming increasingly sceptical.

This is surely the desperation of a man who knows the game is very nearly up and is presently clutching at every available straw because he knows only too well that come the day of reckoning he will go down in the annuls of infamy (as the old ‘carry on’ joke told it!)

I’m also reminded of the ‘red scare’ in 1950’s America perpetrated by Senator Joseph MacCarthy. ‘McCarthyism’ survives as an epithet for unfounded fear-mongering about subversion in government and society. Today, we have no idea of just how great the schism in America was by the absolute and unjustified fear that communism was about to take over the country. It destroyed lives, careers and America became sick, suspicious and deluded—Just like today in fact with the Covid scam.

MacCarthy, of course, got his comeuppance and was exposed as the lieing, mad, destroyer of society he truly was and after his fall from grace (which was sudden and complete) he died an early death in 1957.

Mr Unbalanced, and his equally despicable side kick Mr Witless, are undoubtedly the McCarthies of our time. Make no mistake when the population wakes up to the havoc and destruction they have wrought to this country and its citizens their fall will be equally as sudden and complete.

293260 ▶▶ Leemc23, replying to Harry hopkins, 4, #737 of 1934 🔗

Vallance can wear his mask. And I won’t. Deal ?

293328 ▶▶ vargas99, replying to Harry hopkins, 2, #738 of 1934 🔗


293374 ▶▶ annie, replying to Harry hopkins, 1, #739 of 1934 🔗

Yes, and McCarthy is now remembered as a cruel, deluded, bullying villain. Vallance’s place in the Crucible of Hell will be near McCarthy’s.

293379 ▶▶ mhcp, replying to Harry hopkins, 1, #740 of 1934 🔗

Eh Harry, McCarthy’s methods with the show trials were over the top but he was right. Communists had infiltrated high levels of the government and media. There’s a good few books now about this. In fact he was conservative in the actual rot that had taken place.

Edit: Just to add, the declassification of FBI files in 2018 showing Soviet activity was the catalyst

293427 ▶▶ johnthebridge, replying to Harry hopkins, 1, #741 of 1934 🔗

“Sir” Lots of shares in my drugs company Vallance can shove his ideas where the sun don’t shine.
“Mask” is an anagram of “Skam”!

293532 ▶▶ Edward, replying to Harry hopkins, 1, #742 of 1934 🔗

Continue into 2022? It’s nearly 2021 and I haven’t started wearing one.

293218 calchas, replying to calchas, 10, #743 of 1934 🔗

“While the specific game plan for turning things around is complicated by a police state that wants to keep us at a disadvantage, the solution is relatively simple: Don’t be a pod person. Pay attention. Question everything. Dare to be different. Don’t follow the mob. Don’t let yourself become numb to the world around you. Be compassionate. Be humane. Most of all, think for yourself.


293237 ▶▶ Liam, replying to calchas, #744 of 1934 🔗

Good piece.

293266 ▶▶ JHuntz, replying to calchas, 2, #745 of 1934 🔗

Which equates to about 5% of the population. I am sorrounded by complete idiots.

293299 ▶▶ Victoria, replying to calchas, #746 of 1934 🔗

Great post

293219 Liam, replying to Liam, 8, #747 of 1934 🔗

“Begs the question: At what point will the scientific and medical advisers recognise that it is more important to let people get on with their lives and jobs?”

When the sun rises in the west?

293287 ▶▶ Hieronimusb, replying to Liam, 3, #748 of 1934 🔗

When the sun rises in the west and it starts raining upwards. By which time mass psychosis will be endemic and civilisation as we knew it will be referred to as the bad old days. The world population is being undone by a mass of contradictions, strangled statistics, and hubristic halfwits.

293326 ▶▶ SunshineTommo, replying to Liam, #749 of 1934 🔗

The ‘Scientists’ on SAGE have been very clear on this – Their job is to advise on how to prevent the spread of COVID-19, it is for the politicians to decide what level of importance that has within society. We know here that it’s all based on fundamentally flawed PCR tests, but that is now beside the point as the whole system has become single issue.

Unfortunately, I fear there is too much political capital invested from all sides for any back-track. While within the UK the whole mess serves as a decent distraction to the car-crash of these Brexit negotiations while advancing a convenient ‘green agenda’ / 4th industrial revolution.

293239 AnotherSceptic, replying to AnotherSceptic, 2, #750 of 1934 🔗

I know that I said the other day I was taking a break from the internet for a few days,
But, I have just seen this…


& from yahoo..it’s breaking news


If it’s been posted already, apologies.

293308 ▶▶ Felice, replying to AnotherSceptic, 1, #751 of 1934 🔗

It’s on The Telegraph news feed as well.
What a surprise!

293370 ▶▶ annie, replying to AnotherSceptic, 1, #752 of 1934 🔗

Gawd! Half the people I know are allergic to something or other!

293372 ▶▶ Jo, replying to AnotherSceptic, 1, #753 of 1934 🔗

That was my one bit of good news for the day (although I am sorry for those two people). I have a wasp allergy and am supposed to carry an epipen, having been to the Oxford allergy clinic for investigation with a view to desensitisation treatment. (Decided against it and don’t have an up to date epipen because I can’t be bothered to go to GP). I know it will probably change, and there will be other vaccines, but for me it’s a temporary respite.

293243 Major Panic, replying to Major Panic, 9, #754 of 1934 🔗

”If you are on Ivermectin you will not contract covid19, I repeat, if you are taking Ivermectin you will not contract covid19”


293353 ▶▶ BJJ, replying to Major Panic, 2, #755 of 1934 🔗

If Ivermectin is the answer there is no (fake) need for the (fake) Vaccine.

293248 BeBopRockSteady, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 3, #756 of 1934 🔗

No the Internet has

293261 ▶▶ stefarm, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 3, #757 of 1934 🔗

The comical Irish accent at the demo gave it away.

293303 ▶▶ Darryl, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 3, #758 of 1934 🔗

No doubt the vaccine publicity stunt is not what it seems. Pretty sure it would be completely stage managed by the Civil Service. Absolutely no chance they would risk someone having an adverse reaction publicly no matter how remote the chances.

I wonder if this television character disappears to never be seen again like the lady at the Trafalgar Square establishment stage event.

293336 ▶▶▶ stefarm, replying to Darryl, 7, #759 of 1934 🔗

It’s all a sham, Richie Allen played some soundites last night from sky news and BBC interviewing so called guinea pigs/actors.

Fucking hell, it was complete vaudeville. The presenters completely ott wetting their knickers. I even think they were playing the national anthem in the background.

There is supposed to be a man killing virus on the loose, instead we get film crews and presenters traipsing through hospitals interviewing people.

Almost as transparent as the tik Tok dance routines.

20 years of shit delivered via X factor, cooking and dancing on Ice have got us to this point.

No wonder it’s called the idiot box.

We’ll probably see them as extras buying their fruit in Albert square next.

293384 ▶▶▶▶ Darryl, replying to stefarm, 5, #760 of 1934 🔗

That is an interesting point you make about X factor etc making the nation soft, a very large proportion of people now seem to get very emotional over things like talent show sob stories (real or not). I am sure it won’t have been by accident that the population has been manipulated / socially engineered this way by clever people the media.

293402 ▶▶▶▶▶ stefarm, replying to Darryl, 4, #761 of 1934 🔗

💯 %

293383 ▶▶ godowneasy, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 3, #762 of 1934 🔗

Being a bit slow here – but what is the message. Are you saying it’s the same woman?

293250 Mutineer, replying to Mutineer, 82, #763 of 1934 🔗

We attempted our first day out since the beginning of March. It will be our last. We though the Cotswolds would be more sensible and relaxed. It was a nightmare. Stowe on the Wold was deserted. Most of the lovely independent shops have gone for good. I was harangued on entering an antiques shop -‘Where’s your mask?’ Exempt. Dirty look. We entered a café with me unmuzzled. Mr C, bless his heart, wears a muzzled to try and protect me from the attacks. The fat freak at the next table started a monologue about how ‘Covidiots should be transported to an uninhabited island’. We went upstairs. Does she think the virus knows when you’re seated? Next I tried to enter a posh clothes shop in Broadway. Hassled at the door with ‘You’ve forgotten your mask’, This time I got nasty. The assistant was still berating me so loudly I could hear from the other end of the shop so I told her I’d spend my money in a place with decent and educated assistants. Even outdoors nearly everyone was muzzled. Made to queue outside shops as ‘Only 4 allowed’. I wanted to enter and shout ‘Attack, attack! Virus entering with the 5th customer’. What should be a lovely time of year is ruined. Independent shops closed. The knock on effect will be the closing of B&B’s etc. Kids indoctrinated, muzzled faces, people veering away from me. What little joy left in Christmas has gone, along with people’s sanity. The elderly and sick queuing outside shops in the cold. This is now UTTER LUNACY. The very people who are terrified for some unknown reason of some fictitious pandemic are the ones perpetuating and making this go on endlessly. Collaborators. I hate humanity. If they are so scared why are they even out? How can they think some muzzle is going to ward off evil spirits? Get a f**king rabbit foot or some lucky heather!!!

293255 ▶▶ Two-Six, replying to Mutineer, 21, #764 of 1934 🔗

It’s a total fucking psy-topia isn’t it?

293317 ▶▶▶ Mutineer, replying to Two-Six, 30, #765 of 1934 🔗

We’ve decided not to go for any more trips. We would rather walk around local beauty spots in isolation. I was disturbed yesterday as it was almost like a sci-fi film. I could understand it if there had been any sort of deadly pandemic but this is total hysteria about ‘We’re all going to die because of you’. We had just as severe a flu 2 years ago without any fanfare or muzzles etc. Either the Govt were totally remiss 2 years ago or this is utter brainwashing. I have written a long email of complaint to the (very expensive) shop in question just to make that assistant feel as harassed as we felt yesterday. A miserable experience from start to finish. Presumably these Cotswold’s folk are intelligent and wealthy and yet totally devoid of common sense. The lovely independents are gone, never to return. Lives lost, businesses ruined, hopes dashed. Christmas reduced to just a frenzy of online spending. No joy, No spirit. Both of us have now discussed topping ourselves before we are dragged from our confiscated home.

293332 ▶▶▶▶ Be Unshakeable, replying to Mutineer, 18, #766 of 1934 🔗

Before you top yourself, consider learning to rely on yourself for your sense of calm and contentment. It’s much more permanent, satisfying and does not rely on things outside of your control. You can’t change the world, but you can change your mind.

293390 ▶▶▶▶▶ Mutineer, replying to Be Unshakeable, 11, #767 of 1934 🔗

I agree. I am talking about the worst case scenario when they start excluding us from life with their Freedom Passes. When they drag us out our homes and detain us.

293740 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to Mutineer, 3, #768 of 1934 🔗

Don’t help them by doing yourselves in even then, !though – take as many as poss with you !

294288 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ RichardJames, replying to JohnB, 1, #769 of 1934 🔗

Yes, good sir. At that point, you will have nothing to lose.

Solzhenitsyn said “Never take away too much from a person, or you will leave them with nothing to lose.” A tired, desperate and suicidal man will have no qualms in taking out his anger on the righteous target of such hatred.

In Sobibor Concentration Camp, the Jewish and Russian inmates rose up against their captors, and made the biggest mass breakout from a camp ever seen in WWII. They were successful because they had absolutely nothing left to lose.

293364 ▶▶▶▶ Jo, replying to Mutineer, 27, #770 of 1934 🔗

I know. I dread going out now, I’ve been asked about mask five times, it is getting worse. I’m not scared, I am angry and I just hate seeing people in masks, it is so dystopian. I don’t want to be angry all the time – but mostly now I am either angry or upset. I cry at the drop of a hat. And at the moment I really cannot see any way out of this whilst the majority of the population are deluded.
As I posted yesterday – we now have so much knowledge about the virus, about testing and fatality rates etc – and yet made no progress at all, in fact just going backwards.

293368 ▶▶▶▶▶ annie, replying to Jo, 24, #771 of 1934 🔗

It must depend where you are. I’ve only been challenged once and that was by the foul rector of our Covid-worshipping church, who hates me anyway.
I don’t go into shops unless I have to, mind.
But by God, we now have an idea of what it was like to be a Jew in Hitler’s Germany, don’t we?

293403 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Jo, replying to annie, 24, #772 of 1934 🔗

I had three uncles and two aunts who lived behind the wall until it came down in 1989. I had one visit to East Germany in 1981 when my father was ill and got permission to go there to see family. In 1965 he was granted permission to visit his dying mother, but we (his close family) weren’t allowed to visit her. Sound familiar? When I go to Waitrose and see the signs “We’re keeping you safe” I see “Wir schutzen Ihr” (we are protecting you) which were the signs everywhere in East Germany when I went there, except the signs had a picture of a soldier with a gun.

293540 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Thomas_E, replying to Jo, 21, #773 of 1934 🔗

No, this is nothing like East Germany ..Please don’t tar them with the same brush. You did not need to wear a mask to go outside in East Germany and you were able to attend concerts, party speeches, sports events. In a way it was really a lot better in East Germany. Speaking as someone whos aunty lived in Leipzig so I know how it looked in the 80s.

293256 ▶▶ Liam, replying to Mutineer, 18, #774 of 1934 🔗

When I took the kids away to our normal caravan park back in the summer the experience was so horrible I became chronically depressed and came home after three days, and that was in the relatively relaxed stretch back in August. I know how you feel.

293257 ▶▶ JHuntz, replying to Mutineer, 20, #775 of 1934 🔗

It’s always some fat cunt who’s made a catalogue of poor life choices that has bought into this covvie bollocks (sorry of there is fat people here).

293482 ▶▶▶ calchas, replying to JHuntz, 14, #776 of 1934 🔗

Yes, some fat cunt who expects you to wear a mask to ‘protect him’, but still hasn’t managed to lose weight in the nine months since March.

293961 ▶▶▶▶ fiery, replying to calchas, 2, #777 of 1934 🔗

I noticed the nurse who injected Margaret Keenan was not exactly slim either.

293259 ▶▶ Alan P, replying to Mutineer, 12, #778 of 1934 🔗

sadly here in the south west, with the country’s lowest rates and deaths with Covid, the most irrational, stupid and unreasoned bunch of dik heads seem to reside.

293318 ▶▶▶ SionnachAirgid, replying to Alan P, 2, #779 of 1934 🔗

“We have to protect our precious tier 1 status at all costs, even if it means closing the border!” Those people scare me..

293278 ▶▶ leggy, replying to Mutineer, 18, #780 of 1934 🔗

I wanted to enter and shout ‘Attack, attack! Virus entering with the 5th customer’.

That made me laugh out loud – but yes, I’m on the edge of the Cotswolds and there are some insane happenings around here. There are also some little oases of normality, but they’re few and far between. The fear based programming runs deep, I’ve no idea how we bring people back from their psychosis. Fact does work, logic doesn’t work, science doesn’t work, it’s all just based on woo and propaganda.

293282 ▶▶ Mrs issedoff, replying to Mutineer, 9, #781 of 1934 🔗

You hit the nail on the head with your remark about why these idiots even go out. If I was petrified of a truly nasty killer virus that made every other person a potential threat, I would stay at home. These people who make loud snide comments make my blood boil, this is one of the reasons that I hardly go out now. The likelihood of me turning on someone is really high now, collaborators do not deserve my pity, they need putting in their place.

294300 ▶▶▶ RichardJames, replying to Mrs issedoff, 2, #782 of 1934 🔗

Someone once said to me “We should send love to evil people”, but I don’t agree. Evil people need boundaries, and if they cross those boundaries, they need putting firmly and painfully back behind those boundaries.

293298 ▶▶ Thomas_E, replying to Mutineer, 27, #783 of 1934 🔗

Sorry for your experience but as somebody who worked from the office every single day since the beginning of this farce I saw this happen in real time. More and more independent shops closing, more mask Nazis on the doors, more people masked even outside, little children with masks…Complete insanity and the end is not in sight, in fact I think it will stay like that forever.

I went to Costa near my office, quite busy and the moment I came trough the door the girl behind he counter just looked at me and confirmed my order. I asked how does she know, she told me because I come almost every morning and I’m the only person who does not wear a mask and always smiles. It made me sad and angry at the same time. This is a busy London location with hundreds of people. The extend of mask compliance is almost total , there is no end in sight for this.

293316 ▶▶ SionnachAirgid, replying to Mutineer, 6, #784 of 1934 🔗

When I lived in Worcestershire I used to really enjoy a mooch around Broadway, usually on a Sunday afternoon. It’s been a few years now, so sorry to hear it’s gone down the toilet, I guess they don’t need the money!

293357 ▶▶ johnthebridge, replying to Mutineer, 12, #785 of 1934 🔗

I live in the Cotswolds and know exactly what you’re talking about.

293359 ▶▶ annie, replying to Mutineer, 12, #786 of 1934 🔗

Shop suicide is now the fashion.
No tears.
Actually I rhink it’s tbe poncey pretentious places like Stow that are the worst.

293430 ▶▶ Ben, replying to Mutineer, 5, #787 of 1934 🔗

Human stupidity will destroy the human race – the irony

293729 ▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to Ben, 2, #788 of 1934 🔗

They said that a lot in Atlantis …

293801 ▶▶▶ Rowan, replying to Ben, 6, #789 of 1934 🔗

It’s worse than stupidity, though there’s plenty of that around. Every nasty thing that is happening is intentional and is part of a long planned scam, hatched out by the global elites years ago. Corrupt governments, especially that of the UK, are the globalists willing helpers and no doubt politicians are being well rewarded for waging war on their own people.

What the real aims are of this glaringly obvious scam, can only be guessed at. At best, it’s about making very rich people much richer, but at worst and far more likely, it is about bringing about the globalist dream of a massive reduction in global population.

Bill Gates told us years ago, that vaccines were the perfect tool for population reduction and now it seems that his macabre plan is unfolding right before our own eyes.

293825 ▶▶▶▶ Ben, replying to Rowan, 5, #790 of 1934 🔗

Agreed. I’ve watched the first thirty seconds of this and feel quite terrified

Ernst Wolff #Corona: The Collapse of the System


293950 ▶▶▶▶ Two-Six, replying to Rowan, 3, #791 of 1934 🔗

Bill the bastard has said loads of times how much he is looking forward to reducing the world human population by 15%-20% and how he think this can be achieved with vaccines.

293272 Spikedee1, replying to Spikedee1, 8, #792 of 1934 🔗

FFS just received this If the cases are high WTF would you need to test well people? Think they are trying to get us back into Tier 3. What a bunch of cunts.

IMPORTANT INFORMATION issued on behalf of Essex County Council. Coronavirus rates are high in Basildon. To help manage this we need to find all cases – please book a Covid-19 fast test at Towngate Theatre. Ring 01268 962383, 01268 962384 or 01702 742172. These tests are ONLY for people with no symptoms. Anyone with symptoms should book via http://www.gov.uk .

293304 ▶▶ Victoria, replying to Spikedee1, 8, #793 of 1934 🔗

Ha ha

Go and test yourselves so we can lock you down

293321 ▶▶ leggy, replying to Spikedee1, 6, #794 of 1934 🔗

They really don’t get that people with no symptoms are not cases do they. It’s such doubslespeak nonsense.

293275 lorrinet, replying to lorrinet, 42, #795 of 1934 🔗

If this was an honest government with the nation’s best interests at heart, instead of all this useless testing they would be testing for antibodies to judge how many of us have had Covid. But two days after I myself had a positive result for antibodies, government banned these tests. They said it was because we might stop wearing masks if we found we’d had it. The truth, I suspect, is that the virus has already ‘ripped through’ the population with many unaware of it, but the government and their goons are terrified we’ll find out and they’d be unable to justify the extreme and unnecessary measures they’ve taken.

293296 ▶▶ saab93viggen, replying to lorrinet, 5, #796 of 1934 🔗

This is it EXACTLY – well said.

293345 ▶▶ johnthebridge, replying to lorrinet, 2, #797 of 1934 🔗

Your very first word is enough!

293277 calchas, 15, #798 of 1934 🔗

“Begs the question: At what point will the scientific and medical advisers recognise that it is more important to let people get on with their lives and jobs?”

When there are no jobs left to go back to perhaps.

293285 Darryl, replying to Darryl, 14, #799 of 1934 🔗

I am constantly amazed at how the public worldwide give the media a completely free pass over their constant lying and manipulation. All the stations are pure propaganda.

A news organisation who makes the most of every death even remotely linked to ‘Covid 19’ for political reasons doesn’t want any links or ill effects mentioned when it suits their agenda (no doubt there will be complete media silence if this is indeed a issue). Maybe ‘Covid Vaccine’ should be put on the death certificate of everyone who dies within 28 days of taking it, it works with ‘Covid 19’.


293301 ▶▶ JHuntz, replying to Darryl, 8, #800 of 1934 🔗

The same people who say they don’t believe the media and the government swallow everything they say. We have the whole internet and people are too lazy even after 9 months indoors to research the facts. It’s absolutely baffling.

293351 ▶▶▶ Darryl, replying to JHuntz, 6, #801 of 1934 🔗

We must have hundreds of thousands of people in the UK with Maths type Degrees and A-Levels but so few seem to have the intellectual curiosity to actually look at the raw data themselves.

Instead most will happily rely on some 20 something propagandist working in media to make up their minds and terrify them.

293437 ▶▶▶ sam, replying to JHuntz, 1, #802 of 1934 🔗

i agree and also too lazy to think for themselves

293392 ▶▶ Ben, replying to Darryl, 1, #803 of 1934 🔗

Agreed. The mainstream media have revealed themselves as willing fascism enablers

293286 Tenchy, replying to Tenchy, 30, #804 of 1934 🔗

Weasel words – I like that phrase. Is this an example of some from one of the Chuckle Brothers giving evidence to MPs?

Whitty: Science has changed on masks

Professor Whitty said the official advice regarding face coverings would have been different had there been a better understanding of masks before the coronavirus outbreak.

Asked by Jeremy Hunt on what he had learned through the pandemic, Prof Whitty said in some cases the science has changed. Initially the Government advised coverings would not be effective to tackle the spread of the virus, but now they are required on public transport and in shops.

He said: “The data hasn’t changed but our interpretation has.”

Second thoughts, it’s just bullshit.

293297 ▶▶ Victoria, replying to Tenchy, 12, #805 of 1934 🔗

Just shows you how you can interpret ‘science’ in any way that suits your agenda

293342 ▶▶ johnthebridge, replying to Tenchy, 3, #806 of 1934 🔗

Matt Hancock: “face coverings increase confidence in people … http://www.parliament.uk › coronavirus-statement-14-july

14 Jul 2020 — Matt Hancock : “face coverings increase confidence in people to shop ” … Organisation has long recommended wearing face masks “.

293309 godowneasy, replying to godowneasy, 3, #807 of 1934 🔗

The COVID juggernaut is now firmly in vaccination territory. Today’s UK front pages are a sickly mix of: V-DAY, HEROES, GIANT LEAPS, BRITAIN PROUD, HAPPY-CLAPPY, CHEERS, TEARS AND FREEDOM.

Whilst there is active discussion on vaccine “hesitancy” on this forum, it seems to me that the LS editors have decided to steer clear of this. I hope I’m wrong but on this momentous V-Day there is only sideways mention of it in the editorials. Is it a case of “Lockdown scepticism” – Good, “Vaccine hesitancy” – Ignore? If so, the future of this site seems uncertain.

293322 ▶▶ Eddy, replying to godowneasy, 8, #808 of 1934 🔗

Those of us who won’t be jabbed remind me of the Brexit and Trump voters.

The the silent majority.

293421 ▶▶▶ NorthumbrianNomad, replying to Eddy, 5, #809 of 1934 🔗

With all due respect (and speaking as a Brexit convert with a sneaking regard for Trump), it’s hardly silent.

293323 ▶▶ Lockdown_Lunacy, replying to godowneasy, 15, #810 of 1934 🔗

I’m not sure how it’s possible to simultaneously hold the beliefs that COVID is not a major concern for the vast majority of the population, but also that a mass vaccination program with a radiply produced product of unknown long term safety or efficacy is necessary or beneficial.


It’s also irritating that expressing hesitancy over this particular vaccine gets you lumped into the blanket ‘anti-vaxx’ category, even by some sceptical voices.

293331 ▶▶ NorthumbrianNomad, replying to godowneasy, 5, #811 of 1934 🔗

Lockdown is the issue for me. My presence here is hanging by a thread because of the way the vaccine is dominating the comments. I’m not criticising people for their concerns or arguments, which are probably more informed than mine. And certainly not implying that my presence or otherwise is important in any way. Merely stating my own position.

293341 ▶▶▶ mjr, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, 7, #812 of 1934 🔗

here’s an idea. glance at the comment and if it mentions vaccine then ignore it and skip to the next one. Think of it like fast forwarding through the adverts.

seriously, a lot of the discussions on here dont interest me either. but obviously interest others. so i just ignore them

293360 ▶▶▶ Lockdown_Lunacy, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, 11, #813 of 1934 🔗

Help me to understand your point of view.

My logic is as follows:

I believe that the risk from covid-19 has been massively overstated for the vast majority of the population, and that the measures in response to it have been disproportionate and mostly useless. Logic then leads me to think that a mass vaccination program with a rapidly developed vaccine, of unknown long term safety or efficacy, is pointless in medical terms and potentially more risky for the general population than the disease itself. I’m not anti vaccination in general.

293395 ▶▶▶▶ NorthumbrianNomad, replying to Lockdown_Lunacy, 5, #814 of 1934 🔗

Given the otherwise hopeless logic of the crazy situation… Whether the vaccine works or not, in terms of stemming the relatively irrelevant virus, if it enables the removal of restrictions and quietens the frenetic public atmosphere, I’m for it, provided that it doesn’t cause disastrous side effects and there, I fear, I part company with a lot of people here in that I simply do not believe that governments and pharmaceutical companies would let that happen. I’d be very opposed to compulsory vaccination but there seems no plan to introduce that. I’m much more worried, angry and depressed about the usual suspects queuing up now to say that even with the vaccine, the destructive restrictions should stay in place. If that proves to be the case then I will agree with you that the whole vaccine thing has been worse than a waste of time.

293417 ▶▶▶▶▶ Steve Hayes, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, 8, #815 of 1934 🔗

The so called vaccine is like the masks. It is pushed by the propagandists as a way of getting back to normal, but its purpose is simply to drive up fear and anxiety in order to elicit compliance. The propagandists are openly saying that the social distancing and masks etc are here for the foreseeable future even as the push the vaccine as saviour narrative.

293429 ▶▶▶▶▶ Lockdown_Lunacy, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, 1, #816 of 1934 🔗

Thanks, I get it and it’s maybe more pragmatic than my point of view, as I’d prefer to see a collapse of the narrative resulting in a removal of the restrictions to ensure it never happens again. But, perhaps that won’t ever happen and we will end up with effectively a medicine for a political crisis.

I really worry about being financially coerced into this, as opposed to being arrested and strapped down in a chair. I work for a foreign airline and if I’m lucky enough to survive in my job, I’ll almost certainly have to have it to travel for work. On the other hand, something needs to save the airlines and international travel, and it’s not likely that politicians all over the world will simultaneously admit they have been wrong and do so.

So yeah, I get it, but it all feels so wrong.

293371 ▶▶▶ calchas, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, 11, #817 of 1934 🔗

“the vaccine is dominating the comments”

Because it is dominating the news/propagaganda at this particular phase in the whole affair.

Lockdowns and possibly mandatory and /or dangerous vaccines, are not two separate issues, which are unrelated to each other, but are two organically connected tools in that famous ‘toolbox’ of control.

293393 ▶▶▶▶ Lockdown_Lunacy, replying to calchas, 4, #818 of 1934 🔗

Yes, whether you believe in either the plan or the incompetence theory, I don’t see how the ‘virus control measures’ and the vaccination program can be separated from one another.

293373 ▶▶▶ JHuntz, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, 12, #819 of 1934 🔗

Nothing concerns me more than the vaccine. I am a healthy 29 year old who had plans to travel the world and I was hoping to begin this before I was 30.

I am terrified of the precedent that the taking of a vaccine for a mild flu sets. The body is sovereign.

293413 ▶▶▶▶ NorthumbrianNomad, replying to JHuntz, 2, #820 of 1934 🔗

Travel and international exchange is one of my biggest concerns. And has been criminally ignored all year as all national governments have rushed to slam shut borders in what amounts to a global dick-waving contest by the nation states. Aviation is in existential crisis. So is international shipping – with potentially even more devastating consequences.

Given all that, I would rather take a pointless vaccine and have a piece of paper to wave in the little Hitlers’ faces. If anyone has a better suggestion for how international travel is going to be resuscitated, great. I haven’t heard one yet. “They should just drop all the restrictions” may be true but they’re not going to.

As for precedents, I kind of agree with you, but the devastating precedents that have already been set this year make this one pale into insignificance for me.

293433 ▶▶▶▶▶ calchas, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, 2, #821 of 1934 🔗

“Given all that, I would rather take a pointless vaccine and have a piece of paper to wave in the little Hitlers’ faces. If anyone has a better suggestion for how international travel is going to be resuscitated, great. I haven’t heard one yet. “They should just drop all the restrictions” may be true but they’re not going to.”

It has been made clear that, vaccine or not, this is not going to end.

293431 ▶▶▶▶ sam, replying to JHuntz, 2, #822 of 1934 🔗

me too, i want to travel again and fly on airplanes and no way will i get that vaccine or wear a mask. me too is the precedent we must stop this and soon

293461 ▶▶▶▶ jb12, replying to JHuntz, 2, #823 of 1934 🔗

The precedent it sets is the key issue, as it has been for every move since March. All of this is being normalised, which is the concerning part for me.

293422 ▶▶▶ Ben, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, 5, #824 of 1934 🔗

Lockdown is the prelude to vaccines and immunity passports. It’s an integral piece of the architecture

293347 ▶▶ calchas, replying to godowneasy, 14, #825 of 1934 🔗

If they are heroes, then they must have risked something.

What have they risked precisely?

I thought the vaccine was safe.

293361 ▶▶ MiriamW-sometimes-AlanG, replying to godowneasy, 23, #826 of 1934 🔗

This is classic ‘divide and rule’. The term ‘anti-vaxxer’ has joined ‘conspiracy theorist’, ‘virus denier’ and all the other weasel words used to crush dissent.

It is vital that we LSs do not buy in. Whatever one’s own position on vaccines (mine is absolutely not anti-vaccine, I’ve had dozens of them in my life), to doubt and analyse what is currently threatening us is vital.

Questioning the need for, speed of production and possible safety issues – not to mention the motivation behind mass/mandatory vaccination for a flu-like virus to which the majority already have immunity- is entirely legitimate.

I would be very disappointed to see vaccine discussion censored on here because it would be submitting to the tyranny. We have known all along because we’ve been told that the vaccine was the end-game. The reasons for that are also grounds for speculation and analysis. So why wouldn’t we continue to discuss this? MW

293366 ▶▶▶ calchas, replying to MiriamW-sometimes-AlanG, 3, #827 of 1934 🔗

Has anyone suggested censorship?

Have I missed something?

I have had plenty of vaccinations too. Noting against them as long as they are safe, effective and taken with informed consent.

I see now – presunably NN’s comment further down.

293381 ▶▶▶▶ MiriamW-sometimes-AlanG, replying to calchas, 3, #828 of 1934 🔗

Hi both. I didn’t mean that comments would be censored by the site owners but commenters higher up are questioning whether LS should discuss vaccines.

I was really just warning against allowing ourselves to be divided by this which could mean that people worried about the vaccine might feel that they have to self-censor or have to deal with a lot of opposition from people who don’t think vaccines have anything to do with the lock-down issue. MW

293369 ▶▶▶ godowneasy, replying to MiriamW-sometimes-AlanG, 2, #829 of 1934 🔗

I hope we don’t see censorship in the comment sections – I’ll be out of here if that happens. I was raising a question about whether the readership of this site (or at least a proportion) are drifting away from the editorial team or vice versa.

293509 ▶▶▶▶ Simon Dutton, replying to godowneasy, #830 of 1934 🔗

The comments are moderated. Obviously no one wants to read spam, but ‘moderation’ in this context is an elastic term.

I have noticed that extremely abusive or threatening comments are routinely removed, both to protect the proprietor and intemperate posters. The decision to remove a comment is subjective; absolute freedom of speech does not exist here; so yes, to that extent, these comments are being censored.

293394 ▶▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to MiriamW-sometimes-AlanG, 3, #831 of 1934 🔗

Well said

293407 ▶▶ Jonathan Palmer, replying to godowneasy, 3, #832 of 1934 🔗

The LS editors believe this is all down to a panicky incompetent response and everything stems from that.They hope that the vaccine will give the government the opportunity to declare victory and we can all go back to normality.
Those who believe in a conspiracy realise that the vaccine is just the start of our totalitarian nightmare and the government have no intention of ever letting us go back to normality.
Judging by the pronouncements of Nabarro and Vallance I know what I believe.

293416 ▶▶▶ JulieR, replying to Jonathan Palmer, 3, #833 of 1934 🔗

The government and their mates are making so much money out of the crisis they are not going to stop.

293547 ▶▶ Old Normal, replying to godowneasy, 2, #834 of 1934 🔗

I don’t mind if that’s the case. I won’t be taking this vaccine but if people want to, that is fine and none of my business.

I can understand why the people writing for this site may want to be cautious about vaccine hesitancy articles because of the way the MSM jumps on people with the moronic ‘anti-vaxxer’ tag.

My perspective on it is that I can’t trust the big pharmaceutical companies on this because of their poor track records.

After only one day we’ve seen people having allergic reactions that potentially weren’t tested for? I don’t know if that information is available.

People need to weigh things up for themselves and make the best decision for them. I know people who will definitely take the vaccine but I won’t be discussing it with anyone.

I don’t feel it’s safe to take but I don’t know that for sure so I’m not going to try to influence anyone’s decision.

293311 calchas, replying to calchas, 5, #835 of 1934 🔗

The site has had a ‘Samaritans Section’ for some time.

On really does wonder what words they use to comfort the desperate.

Is one advised to find an interest where one can meet lots of other people?

Maybe take up ballroom dancing?

To try and make new friends perhaps?

Or just to try and get out more?

….and if one goes out, to do what exactly?

293329 ▶▶ JHuntz, replying to calchas, 4, #836 of 1934 🔗

I couldn’t even consider doing that job right now. Hwo can you counsol people when you feel shitty yourself. How can you bring people back to health when they have no means to overcome their current predicament.

293343 ▶▶▶ calchas, replying to JHuntz, 9, #837 of 1934 🔗

The Samaritans are there to help individuals.

They were not founded to cope with a state of psycholgical warfare against the population.

It’s as if a whole town is affected by a pollution incident, but each individual case is treated by those responsible as if there is no commonality..

There is no individual solution – only collective action,

293367 ▶▶▶▶ JHuntz, replying to calchas, 3, #838 of 1934 🔗

It is a great organisation and I have huge admiration for those volunteering right now. Yes, sounds a lot like a communist response collective missery for all.

294428 ▶▶▶ John P, replying to JHuntz, #839 of 1934 🔗

Sure you could.

293337 ▶▶ leggy, replying to calchas, 5, #840 of 1934 🔗

I’ve no idea about the Samaritans, but I know someone who works for MIND. Obviously their work is phone only now. They are given 5 minutes per call. What is it going to do to a desperate or mentally ill person’s mood if after just 5 minutes they’re effectively cut off?

293477 ▶▶ Harry hopkins, replying to calchas, 5, #841 of 1934 🔗

Speaking as an ex. Samaritan volunteer—and one responsible for branch training—I cannot for the life of me imagine the tac the phone volunteers must now take in the light of Covid. Samaritan work was and is based on LISTENING and empathetic sharing and NOT doling out advice to people in desperate need.

If a caller is suicidal or depressed because of Covid and is pouring their heart out to the volunteer, that volunteers response will be entirely in keeping with his or her whole attitude to the Pandemic or Scamdemic as they perceive it to be. Although I don’t know this for sure, I’m pretty certain that the Samaritan organisation will have taken on board the whole pandemic narrative which will mean that the whole approach will be to listen to callers in the spirit of a global killer pandemic and to empathise and to listen on this basis.
Which of course will make it extremely difficult, if not impossible, for anyone of a sceptical frame of mind to listen dispassionately and convey the appropriate empathy.

As I said, I used to be an active Samaritan volunteer and carried out branch training. I’m pretty sure that as an arch Covid sceptic if I made my views known I wouldn’t be welcome anywhere near the organisation these days.

294435 ▶▶▶ John P, replying to Harry hopkins, #842 of 1934 🔗

They are not allowed to give advice. You should know that.

Also, you do know that the Samaritans are not permitted to judge people?

“I’m pretty certain that the Samaritan organisation will have taken on board the whole pandemic narrative”

Find out if you want to know instead of making evidence free assumptions!

294426 ▶▶ John P, replying to calchas, #843 of 1934 🔗

Why don’t you phone them and find out.

Speaking from experience they are there simply to listen.

They do not judge and they do not offer advice (they’re not allowed to).

And I have never been suicidal.

You don’t have to be desperate to phone them.

293313 Steve Martindale, replying to Steve Martindale, 4, #844 of 1934 🔗

Just some practical advice, I was given 2 phone numbers re NHS track and trace which I have blocked on my phone, does anyone know of any others? or any other actions I should take?
The 2 i have are;

293334 ▶▶ MiriamW-sometimes-AlanG, replying to Steve Martindale, 4, #845 of 1934 🔗

Just in case, I’ve blocked them both plus:


We also changed our mobile number after getting a couple of NHS ‘invitations’ to get flu and pneumonia vaccines.

We share a 2G mobile phone and we realise this is probably nowhere near ‘off-grid’ enough. MW and AG

293387 ▶▶▶ Ben, replying to MiriamW-sometimes-AlanG, 2, #846 of 1934 🔗

We are in WW3 and the enemy is Big Pharma

293408 ▶▶ JulieR, replying to Steve Martindale, 2, #847 of 1934 🔗

My daughter had a few calls from track and trace. She just didn’t pick up. After a few attempts they stopped calling.

293411 ▶▶ vargas99, replying to Steve Martindale, 1, #848 of 1934 🔗

you should block ANY 0300 number as a matter of course

293471 ▶▶▶ Janice21, replying to vargas99, 1, #849 of 1934 🔗

Not necessarily, I work for a cancer charity and our main number is an 0300 one.

293314 chaos, 4, #850 of 1934 🔗

Good god.. parliament still virtual.. and Trilateral (Rockerfeller) Kier.. what a strange looking and sounding man.

The daft hungerGreta games coup continues.

293325 Caramel, replying to Caramel, 5, #851 of 1934 🔗

Small things I’ve done.

I have used hand sanitiser four times since July last year and they were only because I couldn’t avoid the hand sanitiser greeter in the shops. I haven’t been washing my hands any differently. I haven’t sanitised anything in public.

I used a sleep mask because masks were mandatory everywhere here.

293339 ▶▶ Caramel, replying to Caramel, 1, #852 of 1934 🔗

I already had one, it’s like the airline sleep masks. I certainly wasn’t going to go and buy a mask.

293702 ▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to Caramel, #853 of 1934 🔗

An eye-shade, yes ?

293365 ▶▶ JHuntz, replying to Caramel, 4, #854 of 1934 🔗

I’ve not used hand sanitiser once. Take the mask off you’ll feel better for it 🙂

293398 ▶▶ Be Unshakeable, replying to Caramel, 1, #855 of 1934 🔗

I bought a mask. On the front it says: ‘This Mask Is Pointless’ If I’m challenged, I’ll happily comply with a smile as I slip it on. 🙂

293492 ▶▶▶ DomW, replying to Be Unshakeable, #856 of 1934 🔗

I bought one which has “Fuck this shit” written across it I have not had to wear it yet.

I did have to hold one across my face once going through the reception at a vet where our cat was hospitalised (the muzzle was provided by the vet), but that’s the closest I’ve come to wearing one.

293401 ▶▶ Steve Hayes, replying to Caramel, #857 of 1934 🔗

Why would someone who is afraid of a virus use a hand sanitiser?

293410 ▶▶▶ Charlie Blue, replying to Steve Hayes, #858 of 1934 🔗

Because if it has high alcohol content it can be effective against viruses?

293440 ▶▶▶▶ Steve Hayes, replying to Charlie Blue, #859 of 1934 🔗

Effective how exactly?

293418 ▶▶▶ DRW, replying to Steve Hayes, 3, #860 of 1934 🔗

Because it’s basically become Holy Water.

293449 ▶▶▶▶ Steve Hayes, replying to DRW, 2, #861 of 1934 🔗

The parallel is apt. Most people seem to believe in “the science” in the way most people in the Middle Ages believed in their religion.

293473 ▶▶▶▶▶ Ed Phillips, replying to Steve Hayes, 1, #862 of 1934 🔗

I know a minister who was criticised for not sterilising his hands in an obvious manner before serving communion.
So it has become a literal religious action for some.

293602 ▶▶▶▶ annie, replying to DRW, 1, #863 of 1934 🔗

Absolutely dead right.
I have always wondered what that automatic zombie gesture with the hand gunk reminded me of. Now I know. It’s Catholics taking holy water as they enter a church.

294567 ▶▶ Andrew K, replying to Caramel, #864 of 1934 🔗

Next time somebody forces hand sanitiser on you, just say you’re allergic to alcohol and that you’ll swell up within seconds and you’re be laying on the shop door front waiting for an ambulance.

293327 chaos, replying to chaos, 12, #865 of 1934 🔗

There’s no sign anyone is going to stop the west committing suicide with the great reset… all still moving forward as far as I can see. The litmus test will be when uptake is poor for the vaccine.

293363 ▶▶ JHuntz, replying to chaos, 2, #866 of 1934 🔗

Whilst the sheep go bah bah the train goes choo choo. Full steam ahead.

293542 ▶▶ Ben, replying to chaos, 3, #867 of 1934 🔗

It’s WW3. The whole world is under attack. Politicians are puppets of the WEF and Pharma

293330 Ben, replying to Ben, 14, #868 of 1934 🔗

Sir Patrick Vaccine-Shares has been granted the power of gods to issue the decree banning humans from breathing fresh air. He alone shall decide when the plebs can breathe freely again. All hail the new deity! Bow and pray to Sir Patrick Vaccine-Shares

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293358 ▶▶ JHuntz, replying to Ben, 22, #869 of 1934 🔗

It’s unbelievable that he is still in the job with his dodgy models and dodgy affiliations. Our government is rotten to the core.

293376 ▶▶▶ Two-Six, replying to JHuntz, 13, #870 of 1934 🔗

it’s a putrid festering sore of corruption narcotising every aspect of human life. Evil Evil Evil bastards.

293533 ▶▶▶ Jo Dominich -, replying to JHuntz, 4, #871 of 1934 🔗

Nobody else in any job would be allowed to remain in it with this substantial conflict of interests.

293389 ▶▶ Be Unshakeable, replying to Ben, 6, #872 of 1934 🔗

If you’re surprised by this you haven’t been paying attention.

293391 ▶▶ Hieronimusb, replying to Ben, 9, #873 of 1934 🔗

The age of the robber baron scientists is upon us and you can bet they don’t feel in the least conflicted about it.

293445 ▶▶ Jaguarpig, replying to Ben, 5, #874 of 1934 🔗

Die cunt die

293502 ▶▶ OKUK, replying to Ben, 2, #875 of 1934 🔗

At the effing last! The media have sat on this fact for nearly a year.

293354 mjr, replying to mjr, 13, #876 of 1934 🔗

good news.. just had fridge delivered. delivery guys happy to remove masks
bad news . just seen this on a letting agency advert (for room in shared house)

 Before contacting us, please read and make sure you are happy to comply with the following requirements.
– There will be a telephone interview prior to any viewings
– You must have been symptom free for at least 21 days in order to view the property
– We will provide face-masks and gloves for viewings, which must be worn,
– Social distancing must be maintained during viewings
– Tenants moving in will need to isolate from other occupants for 7 days. To facilitate this we will provide a timetable for use of the common parts.

293375 ▶▶ Two-Six, replying to mjr, 3, #877 of 1934 🔗


293380 ▶▶ Ben, replying to mjr, 6, #878 of 1934 🔗

‘Symptom free’ makes a mockery of the asymptomatic transmission garbage.

Is the human race really so unintelligent?

293444 ▶▶▶ jb12, replying to Ben, 4, #879 of 1934 🔗

Yes. They believe this ‘novel’ coronavirus behaves like no other simply because the Thinking Box told them to.

293385 ▶▶ thedarkhorse, replying to mjr, 2, #880 of 1934 🔗

F..hell, do they want a tenant or do they not? It’s gonna become impossible to share properties with others, based on such crap. I’m so bloody glad I’m not in need of such things, nor my other family members.

293505 ▶▶ Edward, replying to mjr, #881 of 1934 🔗

“Common parts” – is that a euphemism?

293511 ▶▶ Ewan Duffy, replying to mjr, 3, #882 of 1934 🔗

Will that include a timetable to go to the toilet 🙁

293528 ▶▶▶ Jo Dominich -, replying to Ewan Duffy, #883 of 1934 🔗

No. That will be rationed to once a week inside and the rest outdoors to keep others safe. How dare u raise such a sensible question!!!

293527 ▶▶ arfurmo, replying to mjr, #884 of 1934 🔗

Looks like Disability Discrimination Act compliant …….er not

293386 Steve Hayes, replying to Steve Hayes, 39, #885 of 1934 🔗

Back in March I took the view that the response to the coronavirus was a case of collective madness, and, like all other cases of collective madness, it would pass; although, I feared that it would not pass until the madness had inflicted more harm than the virus ever could. Today, I am even less optimistic.

As the months have passed, instead of the madness ebbing, it has grown and come to be institutionalised throughout society. It has been institutionalised in the government and the state. It has been institutionalised in the corporate media. It has been institutionalised in the universities and schools. It has been institutionalised in the economy. It has been institutionalised in the professions. It has been institutionalised in the organisations of the religions. It has been institutionalised in professional sports. It has been institutionalised in the so called NGOs. Everywhere one turns, one is confronted by the madness.

This institutionalisation of the madness can only make it that much more difficult to abandon. It has added the inertial weight of procedures and policies, customs and practices to the forces promoting the madness.

293406 ▶▶ Liam, replying to Steve Hayes, 2, #886 of 1934 🔗

Max Weber’s Iron Cage.

293457 ▶▶▶ Steve Hayes, replying to Liam, 4, #887 of 1934 🔗

I do not know if you are being ironic, but the reference certainly is, as Weber was referring to rationality as an iron cage: there is nothing rational about the responses to the virus; on the contrary, they are completely irrational.

293470 ▶▶▶▶ Liam, replying to Steve Hayes, 2, #888 of 1934 🔗

Ah, I’ve misunderstood or misremembered what Weber meant then, it’s a long time since I read about it.

293412 ▶▶ Ben, replying to Steve Hayes, 17, #889 of 1934 🔗

It’s not madness – it’s WW3. The aggressors are pharma, tech industries, the UN, the banks, the WEF, the IMF etc etc etc Euphemistically called ‘The Great Reset’

293560 ▶▶▶ awildgoose, replying to Ben, 3, #890 of 1934 🔗

I would add Xi and the CCP to your list.

Based on what has come out in the last 48 hours, the US DNC appears controlled by the CCP.

Half the US population seems A-OK with this.

293636 ▶▶▶▶ Ben, replying to awildgoose, 2, #891 of 1934 🔗

Agreed. China is in on the scamdemic but I disagree they are controlling things. The United States and pharma part funds the virus lab at Wuhan. America attended the military games there. The Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation is partnering with China

293432 ▶▶ Tom in Scotland, replying to Steve Hayes, 15, #892 of 1934 🔗

Yes, I thought the same in March and tried to brace myself for a tough three months. I figured that if we didn’t get back to normal in June, there wouldn’t be an economy to go back to, so people would snap out of it, probably guided by governments that had come to their senses.

I did, however, have a secondary fear that this would not happen and we would be stuck in this shitshow into the winter, when a big decision would come: we either accept that people get respiratory illnesses in the winter and some (usually old) people die, as has been the case for generations, or we change how we have always dealt with this matter, moving towards not accepting this fact of life and choosing an irrational, unscientific, authoritarian ‘safetyism’ that would actually ruin lives, destroying what was good about our world. Now I fear we are rapidly moving down that second pathway unless people finally snap out of it.

The world’s gone mad and the madness hasn’t stopped. It really could turn into what you’ve seen in sci-fi novels and films if people don’t say no to it. In democracies, I think it’s still possible to turn this around, but we must do so now. The madness cannot go into next spring in the Northern Hemisphere.

293448 ▶▶▶ calchas, replying to Tom in Scotland, 6, #893 of 1934 🔗

If we do regard this as mass madness/hysteria, then we could be looking at a little while yet.

An individual can only be mad to the extent of their financial capability to do so.

They either come to their senses or die.

Human nature reasserts itself.

Don’t worry – the economy was heading for the cliff before. That is even more the case now.

293522 ▶▶▶▶ Jo Dominich -, replying to calchas, 4, #894 of 1934 🔗

I wonder how much of it will die down after today when a no deal Brexit will be announced.

293555 ▶▶▶▶▶ Tom in Scotland, replying to Jo Dominich -, 1, #895 of 1934 🔗

Yes, it will be interesting to see what happens with our Brexit transition period coming to an end. I had expected some kind of a deal, at least on tangible goods (including food) due to the EU’s big trade surplus with the UK here, but now I really don’t know what will happen. Even if there is a deal, things won’t be the same as before, with more red tape and at least some delays at the ports.

293518 ▶▶▶ Jo Dominich -, replying to Tom in Scotland, 6, #896 of 1934 🔗

I blogged back in April when all that doggy do about the coming 2nd wave that, as soon as we started to get back to normal and start enjoying ourselves hey presto the strangely predicted 2nd wave would materialise and put us back in lockdown.

Well here we are with a further assault on the hospitality industry to boot.

293592 ▶▶▶▶ annie, replying to Jo Dominich -, #897 of 1934 🔗

It’s time the bloody hospitaliers stood up for the se,ves. And other groups who are are still rolling on their backs with their legs in the air.

293811 ▶▶▶ Ben, replying to Tom in Scotland, 1, #898 of 1934 🔗

I think this video might be closest to the reality of the situation (unfortunately)

Ernst Wolff #Corona: The Collapse of the System

293834 ▶▶▶ DeepBlueYonder, replying to Tom in Scotland, #899 of 1934 🔗

Yes. A very fundamental re-alignment seems to have taken place in recent years and decades. The fundamental dividing line now not so much left vs. right, or markets vs the state. It is technocracy (rule by elite experts) vs. democracy . We must use every tool at our disposal to strengthen the forces of democracy.

293936 ▶▶▶▶ Tom in Scotland, replying to DeepBlueYonder, #900 of 1934 🔗

Yes, exactly! Democracy is one of my areas of research and I have been thinking about this in recent years, with the imposition of technocrats in places that used to be democratic, as well as technocratic rules (like for the Eurozone). It’s bad enough when this happens, but what’s even worse is that a lot of highly educated people seem to like it. There was a book written a few years ago that basically argued against democracy (indeed, it’s called Against Democracy, by Jason Brennan) and a friend of mine seems to agree with it (not sure how much longer that friendship is going to last; he’s a big fan of ‘Chairman Dan’ Andrews in Victoria, loves lockdowns and masks, etc – yet hates China and the human rights abuses there). I think some academic people are so out of touch with basic reality that they just can’t see what’s in front of them.

While it’s easy to say that people are idiots and unqualified to make important decisions about how they are governed, the alternatives (including technocracy) are far worse and undermine any moral argument against the ‘nasty’ countries these academic people say they dislike. I saw a lot of this mentality after the Brexit vote and my opinion of academics, which was already low, really sank. Many genuinely despise people and would take the vote away from most of them.

Unfortunately, in our current situation, it was the masses who cried out for lockdown when I think many governments (including ours) did not want to go there. So, there is an argument for experts to have a role in the democratic process, but there must be a wide variety of opinions expressed and this has been a problem in our circumstances. The media also has a lot to answer for (sensationalism and censorship, etc). Ultimately, the people’s representatives and government must decide (and be held accountable for this).

293467 ▶▶ IanE, replying to Steve Hayes, 7, #901 of 1934 🔗

Quite so. Several decades now into the fraud, trickery and ‘modelling’ of global warming and no sign of retreat there – the covid story will doubtless continue relentlessly!

293507 ▶▶ Jo Dominich -, replying to Steve Hayes, 1, #902 of 1934 🔗

Wholeheartedly agree.

294103 ▶▶ charleyfarley, replying to Steve Hayes, #903 of 1934 🔗

Spot on – good summary!

293388 leggy, replying to leggy, 5, #904 of 1934 🔗

AdapNation posted an update yesterday that I missed:


Most striking thing for me is still the non-false-positive-covid related deaths occurring in private homes. Currently running at around 1,000 per week. These are deaths caused by lockdowns, there can’t be any other explanation.

293419 ▶▶ calchas, replying to leggy, 3, #905 of 1934 🔗

This will be an increasing issue which will muddy the waters of statistical analysis.

There will be increasing numbers of deaths due to:

Missed or postponed cancer operations.

Missed or postponed cancer screenings.

Social isolation (reckoned to be as dangerous as obesity or smoking)

Increasing poverty and suicides due to economic dislocation, bankruptcies etc.

People avoiding hospitals and doctors’ surgeries due to propagandised fear

The punchline is that a good proportion of these excess deaths will produce a positive PCR in the 28 days before death, allowing them to be declared as ‘covid deaths’, allowing it all to be perpetuated.

293450 ▶▶ Sarigan, replying to leggy, 2, #906 of 1934 🔗
293397 Smelly Melly, 1, #907 of 1934 🔗

Dear fellow Covidiots. Remember only the really stupid question politicians.

293400 Biggles, replying to Biggles, 8, #908 of 1934 🔗

Well Christmas is coming early to my home town as rapid testing is being rolled out next week. According to my MP this is ‘in order to support us out of Tier 3’. More likely to keep us entrenched in Tier 3 I would have thought.

I also note in the graphic that the designer has omitted the eyes of the two people shown. Now why would this be? To dehumanize this whole thing even further?

293405 ▶▶ Ben, replying to Biggles, 26, #909 of 1934 🔗
293409 ▶▶ MiriamW-sometimes-AlanG, replying to Biggles, 7, #910 of 1934 🔗

‘If you don’t get tested you’re keeping us all in Tier 3.’ Masterful, bloody masterful!

I expect few people subjected to this fascism will have the wit to question the complete lack of logic but hey! No doubt it’s coming to your town next, assuming you’ve not already had it. MW

293436 ▶▶ stefarm, replying to Biggles, 1, #911 of 1934 🔗

More cartoons to appeal to our inner child

293414 DRW, replying to DRW, 26, #912 of 1934 🔗

Hi all. This morning I did some LS.org road furniture stickering. I have targeted the area around my former secondary school, which I know from experience has large attendance from the generally unaffluent estates. So not likely to be many zealots in the potential audience and it just might catch someone’s eye.

In other good news, some of my family at last week’s funeral have apparently realised maybe
seeing people isn’t that bad after all and will be definitely start visiting others again next year whatever the latest stupid diktats are. Not much but nice to hear some talk of resistance from my otherwise very sheepish family. Let’s hope the upcoming Christmas truce will similarly slip more of the genie out the bottle.

As for Nochance, he can fuck right off. As I reported yesterday, mask compliance locally is dropping.

293439 ▶▶ Tom in Scotland, replying to DRW, 5, #913 of 1934 🔗

Good work! Resist as much as possible.

293630 ▶▶▶ DRW, replying to Tom in Scotland, 2, #914 of 1934 🔗

Thanks Tom I am trying to lately.

293915 ▶▶▶▶ Tom in Scotland, replying to DRW, 2, #915 of 1934 🔗

It feels good. I ‘breached’ the ‘advice’ recently when a friend from a different local authority (and not even a neighbouring one!) came to visit me. We actually shook hands (!) and had a nice chat for a few hours in my living room. He lives with his girlfriend who had invited one of her friends over, so he thought he might as well come up here. Lots of breaching going on and I think more is on the way. ‘Tis the season!

293420 AnotherSceptic, replying to AnotherSceptic, 8, #916 of 1934 🔗

The Dentist has spoken

Professor Jason Leitch says there were 300 different strains of Covid at the start of the pandemic, and most of these were eliminated by the first lockdown.

Referring to a newly-published genomics report, the National Clinical Director said: “Wales and Scotland, until recently, have had a very similar Covid history.

“At the start of the pandemic, about 300 different strains of Covid were introduced across Scotland and then, as we know, the virus spread extensively throughout the population.

“Following the first lockdown, the majority of the Covid virus strains circulating in the population were eliminated.

“As we moved into the second wave, Covid infections were caused by whole new strains of the virus, that had been introduced into Scotland from elsewhere.

“It is has been possible to trace many of these genomic strains to countries outside of Scotland. Some to other parts of the UK, some to much further afield.

“This report allows us to say that the lockdown in the first part of the year, that you all played such a huge part in, did get Scotland incredibly close to eliminating the virus.

“But as we opened up, inevitably, people began to travel across the UK, internationally on summer holidays, and other travel abroad and new strains were imported to Scotland.”

293434 ▶▶ stefarm, replying to AnotherSceptic, 8, #917 of 1934 🔗

as we know, the virus spread extensively throughout the population.

Do ‘we’ know.

I haven’t had it yet

293443 ▶▶▶ AnotherSceptic, replying to stefarm, 4, #918 of 1934 🔗

Me neither, nor anyone that I know, or anyone that they know.

293438 ▶▶ Liam, replying to AnotherSceptic, 6, #919 of 1934 🔗

Utter, utter drivel. Shameless lies.

293442 ▶▶▶ AnotherSceptic, replying to Liam, 5, #920 of 1934 🔗

I know. & I even got a thumbs down??? I posted it to show what shite it is.

293475 ▶▶▶▶ Liam, replying to AnotherSceptic, 2, #921 of 1934 🔗

I know. Wasn’t me by the way!

293489 ▶▶▶▶▶ AnotherSceptic, replying to Liam, 1, #922 of 1934 🔗

Sorry Liam, it wasn’t implied at you. I should have said. I just didn’t want to reply to myself.

293514 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Liam, replying to AnotherSceptic, 1, #923 of 1934 🔗

Absolutely nothing to be sorry for, no worries at all.

293506 ▶▶▶ awildgoose, replying to Liam, 4, #924 of 1934 🔗

Media gaslighting trash, just like, “it can live forever on any surface! Aieee!”

293452 ▶▶ leggy, replying to AnotherSceptic, 4, #925 of 1934 🔗

Sounds like he’s just reading slips out of dystopian fortune cookies.

293456 ▶▶ Tom in Scotland, replying to AnotherSceptic, 14, #926 of 1934 🔗

FFS! They bring their fucking nationalism into this mess whenever possible. ‘It started out as a Celtic strain of the Rona and then see what happened….’ Looks like the dirty English (or other foreigners) have sullied the Scottish nation. Talk about dog-whistle tactics. Trying to make anti-English sentiment (pseudo)scientific really takes the prize. I suspect the Dear Leader wants to use this ‘data’ to make Scotland even more like North Korea. Prepare for a hard border.

Even by Scottish standards, this is a disgraceful new low. It’s sickening.

293500 ▶▶▶ Jo Dominich -, replying to Tom in Scotland, 7, #927 of 1934 🔗

Hi Tom we really are in silly season with all of this now. Can’t believe anything said by any of these people or the SAGE lot.

They are making it up as they go along. Johnson Sturgeon and Drakeford are petty tyrants and are enjoying it.

293546 ▶▶▶▶ Tom in Scotland, replying to Jo Dominich -, 2, #928 of 1934 🔗

Yes, I agree. It’s such a shame that the general public, for the most part, remains brainwashed, partially because most of the media won’t properly scrutinise the government (indeed, it’s helping to push The Big Lie).

Wherever there is division, petty politicians will amplify it. They’ve had ‘a good virus’.

293459 ▶▶ wendy, replying to AnotherSceptic, 2, #929 of 1934 🔗

This doesn’t sound right to me. Is it to boost up Nicola and blame all us other nasty folks

293519 ▶▶ The Filthy Engineer, replying to AnotherSceptic, 5, #930 of 1934 🔗

The man is an idiot. Even after all this time I wish people supposedly in “the know” would stop referring to there being “300 different strains of Covid”. There isn’t. There might be 300 different strains of SARS-CoV2 of which only some of them will manifest themselves as Covid.

293558 ▶▶▶ Old Normal, replying to The Filthy Engineer, 4, #931 of 1934 🔗

If there were 300 strains, perhaps he could explain how the vaccine will work on all of them?

He’s so far out of his depth. His last paper proved that as he was miles off with his predicted cases. And yet he’s still in a job and given airtime to spout whatever he likes unchallenged.

293759 ▶▶▶▶ kf99, replying to Old Normal, 1, #932 of 1934 🔗

When did an “advisor to goverment” job change into “preacher to the public”? Why bother having elected politicians at all? A panel of experts can tell us everything we need to know directly in this new world

293571 ▶▶ annie, replying to AnotherSceptic, 1, #933 of 1934 🔗

Everybody’s fault but Scotland’s.
Pity we can’t can’t undo the Ialetus suture and let Scotland drift away

293590 ▶▶▶ OKUK, replying to annie, 1, #934 of 1934 🔗

We could build a very wide canal if they insist on taking the piss.

294419 ▶▶▶▶ John P, replying to OKUK, #935 of 1934 🔗

Fuck off. Not all Scots love lockdown and not all Scots are republicans.

294417 ▶▶▶ John P, replying to annie, #936 of 1934 🔗

Neil Oliver might have a complaint for you about that piece of prejudice!

293586 ▶▶ OKUK, replying to AnotherSceptic, 1, #937 of 1934 🔗

I hope you were sitting comfortably for that.

293678 ▶▶ Ben, replying to AnotherSceptic, 2, #938 of 1934 🔗

COVID is an acronym for a set of symptoms. Not a name for a disease. Viruses cannot be eliminated. Perhaps Scotland should build a wall around itself and Scots should never leave (but then who would they blame?)

293425 maggie may, replying to maggie may, 21, #939 of 1934 🔗

headline now in DT saying 2 NHS nurses had allergic reaction to the vaccine. MRHA now advising to check if people have any history of allergic reaction before the vaccine is given. And thus it starts…… (at least the news wasn’t buried)

293453 ▶▶ wendy, replying to maggie may, 3, #940 of 1934 🔗

Yes it’s good it wasn’t buried. Let’s hope more comes out before people get injured or die.

293488 ▶▶ Janice21, replying to maggie may, 6, #941 of 1934 🔗

Already seen a lot of comments with people saying they are now put off the vaccine further as a result. If anyone had a little shred of doubt, they will have more now.

293495 ▶▶ Jo Dominich -, replying to maggie may, 2, #942 of 1934 🔗

But it soon will be once the elderly who have it and die prematurely because of it.

293426 George L, replying to George L, 4, #943 of 1934 🔗

They really have got it in for us Lockdown sceptics haven’t they. An example from Germany via RT. I suppose its cos we’re all extreme right wing nut jobs, with more extreme on top if needed.. ha!


I must say one of the comments made me chuckle.. Merkel is murdering piece of excrement..

293462 ▶▶ leggy, replying to George L, 6, #944 of 1934 🔗

Far right? No, just right.

293497 ▶▶▶ TT, replying to leggy, 3, #945 of 1934 🔗

Damn right !

293447 wendy, replying to wendy, 12, #946 of 1934 🔗

Just listened to the Tom Woods interview of Jay Bhattacharya. It’s very good. Each time I read or listen to something like this it convinces me more that it is us that are on the right side of history. But then I am left with a feeling of despair about how we can ever turn this thing around.

I know I am driven by an urgency about my father who lives in a care home. He and all the others in his situation don’t have long left to live and the end of their lives is being blighted. I know the impact of not being able to support my dad in the last months of his life will scar me forever as I am sure it will all the other families in this situation.

293563 ▶▶ Dave Angel Eco Warrier, replying to wendy, 5, #947 of 1934 🔗

I know what you mean but unfortunately it has come too far to be turned around. Most world governments have chosen a path that they will not veer from and the further they travel along it the less likely they will ever do so. Regardless of the eventual outcome they will insist the lockdown strategy worked and was the only viable course of action when we know it was most definitely not. Even if they know in their heart of hearts it was a mistake they will never, ever admit it. I will be long gone before it will be acknowledged that the course of action taken was a folly of magnificent proportions never before seen in the history of the world. I will never waiver from the belief I was on the side of right (or at least sense) despite the onslaught of hysteria and propaganda on an unprecedented scale.

293823 ▶▶▶ wendy, replying to Dave Angel Eco Warrier, #948 of 1934 🔗

Thank you Dave, I guess we just have to keep trying our best.

293564 ▶▶ Jo Dominich -, replying to wendy, #949 of 1934 🔗

That’s the great tragedy in all of this the way our older people are being treated by the Govt and the NHS. Being bullied into signing DNR notices, being refused hospital
Admission and treatment and being isolated and effectively in solitary confinement in care homes should be considered a national scandal.

It is not ur fault u are unable to provide your father comfort and care towards the end of his life it’s that of the corrupt scientists, the corrupt govt and the useless NHS.

293821 ▶▶▶ wendy, replying to Jo Dominich -, #950 of 1934 🔗

Thank you Jo, your kindness helps

293819 ▶▶ wendy, replying to wendy, 1, #951 of 1934 🔗

So sorry Teresa, that is horrible and so sad. It been such a great help to me to have this website and people here who understand and are so supportive. A thank you to everyone.

293451 John Stitch non stop dancer, 10, #952 of 1934 🔗

Just called into Chepstow the Branch Covidians in full attire looking down beat.Funny with the zyclon B vac on tap you think they should be jubilant!

293458 Chris Hume, replying to Chris Hume, 25, #953 of 1934 🔗

The beautiful irony. The two screaming banshees of doom, Beth Rigby and Kay Burley have been suspended from Sky News for ‘breaking Covid 19 regulations’. There is a God!

293460 ▶▶ IanE, replying to Chris Hume, 3, #954 of 1934 🔗

On full pay though, I gather – i.e. an extra bit of holiday!

293478 ▶▶▶ Tiberius, replying to IanE, #955 of 1934 🔗

I wouldn’t recommend trying to suspend anyone on anything less if you value your £££.

293465 ▶▶ Steve Hayes, replying to Chris Hume, 1, #956 of 1934 🔗

Would that they were suspended for hypocrisy and will not be allowed back until they give solemn undertakings to refrain from hypocrisy in the future.

293860 ▶▶▶ Chris Hume, replying to Steve Hayes, #957 of 1934 🔗

That would be like Nigel Farage swearing allegiance to the EU. .

293466 ▶▶ Two-Six, replying to Chris Hume, 5, #958 of 1934 🔗

LEts hope these two bastards are suspended from interacting in society for ever. Evil.

293476 ▶▶ Jonathan Palmer, replying to Chris Hume, 13, #959 of 1934 🔗

Please let Piers Morgan be caught.

293480 ▶▶▶ Tiberius, replying to Jonathan Palmer, 9, #960 of 1934 🔗

We’d never be that lucky, but never forget his false accustations against British soldiers. He shouldn’t be working in the media for that offence alone.

293484 ▶▶▶ Janice21, replying to Jonathan Palmer, 13, #961 of 1934 🔗

He is a cunt

293535 ▶▶▶ Will, replying to Jonathan Palmer, 2, #962 of 1934 🔗

….. under the wheels of a bus!!!

294414 ▶▶▶ John P, replying to Jonathan Palmer, #963 of 1934 🔗

It’s illegal to appear in a photo with Ghislaine Maxwell?

Does Toby know?!

293508 ▶▶ FlynnQuill, replying to Chris Hume, 7, #964 of 1934 🔗

If it had of been normal joe public, I’d have said good on yeh. However, these two vermin have pushed the lockdown scam for the last eight months and have branded anyone not wearing masks etc as Covid idiots. Couldn’t have happened to two nicer shit houses.

293669 ▶▶ RickH, replying to Chris Hume, #965 of 1934 🔗

Sorry to piss on the pansies – but it isn’t something to celebrate. It merely underlines the validity of this shit.

293868 ▶▶▶ Chris Hume, replying to RickH, #966 of 1934 🔗

Oh it is. They either i) Never believed a word of the rubbish they were spouting or ii) have demonstrated an astonishing level of ‘de haut en bas’ arrogance and conceit. They are repulsive with Rigby the most repulsive so called ‘journalist’ I have ever had to endure in all my life.

293474 Fingerache Philip., replying to Fingerache Philip., 8, #967 of 1934 🔗

Wales: “Don’t celebrate Christmas because blah,blah,blah,blah”.
Lockdowns and circuit breakers worked well then?

293562 ▶▶ annie, replying to Fingerache Philip., 3, #968 of 1934 🔗

Oh yes, they worked perfectly. Unfortunately, Wales is full of people who just cannot help behaving like people, and that has spoiled everything.
Obviously the solution is to get rid of people. They’re working on that.

293578 ▶▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to annie, #969 of 1934 🔗

So long as they start at the top first…

293719 ▶▶▶ John Stitch non stop dancer, replying to annie, #970 of 1934 🔗

I live in Wales what’s your point?

293483 Sarigan, replying to Sarigan, 8, #971 of 1934 🔗

Pimlico Plumbers providing a fine example of how to lose customers very quickly:


EDIT: WARNING. You will have to see Piers Morgan’s face

293490 ▶▶ kh1485, replying to Sarigan, 2, #972 of 1934 🔗

Tendering for a government contract?

I feel a new sign coming on:

No vaccine? No problem!

293498 ▶▶ Victoria, replying to Sarigan, 3, #973 of 1934 🔗

Yes don’t use Pimlico plumbers

293574 ▶▶▶ OKUK, replying to Victoria, 3, #974 of 1934 🔗

You’ve just saved yourself several thousand pounds.

293504 ▶▶ Lockdown_Lunacy, replying to Sarigan, 2, #975 of 1934 🔗

Strange move. I doubt they will stick to it when their bluff is called.

293510 ▶▶ arfurmo, replying to Sarigan, #976 of 1934 🔗

So you ring up PP to ask them to unblock your loo. Charlie Boy asks if you have had the jab. Oh yes you reply . And then????

293536 ▶▶ Ben, replying to Sarigan, 5, #977 of 1934 🔗

This Piers Morgan?
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293539 ▶▶▶ stefarm, replying to Ben, 3, #978 of 1934 🔗

He is a wanker

293549 ▶▶▶ Bill Grates, replying to Ben, 3, #979 of 1934 🔗

Probably just a coincidence. Nothing to see here.

293576 ▶▶▶ OKUK, replying to Ben, 1, #980 of 1934 🔗

Why has she got her hand in his pocket?

294097 ▶▶▶▶ charleyfarley, replying to OKUK, #981 of 1934 🔗

Why do you think he has that stupid grin on his face?

293650 ▶▶▶ Waldorf, replying to Ben, 1, #982 of 1934 🔗

That looks like Ghislaine Maxwell.

293653 ▶▶▶▶ AnotherSceptic, replying to Waldorf, #983 of 1934 🔗

I believe it is her.

294411 ▶▶▶ John P, replying to Ben, -1, #984 of 1934 🔗

Toby Young also has a photo with Ghislaine Maxwell.

What does this prove?

Much as I detest Morgan, this is bollocks.

293573 ▶▶ OKUK, replying to Sarigan, 4, #985 of 1934 🔗

We had a leaky tap once. Called them out. Ended up having pay the thieves £450. I’d be very glad if he won’t let me be a customer again.

293607 ▶▶ alw, replying to Sarigan, 4, #986 of 1934 🔗

Well 4 plumbers from Pimlico Plumbers were working on a job just round the corner from where we live. The husband and I got chatting to them. Lively conversation as they think the restrictions and response are a load of old …..Don’t think Charlie boy’s staff are with him on this one. Let’s wait and see.

293609 ▶▶ Darryl, replying to Sarigan, #987 of 1934 🔗

Truly bizarre that a plumbing firm charging a couple of hundred pounds plus per hour thinks it has the right to know customers medical history. Medical martial law won’t ever end with people like this around. Why do people still watch GMB, just ignore it.

293660 ▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to Sarigan, #988 of 1934 🔗

Another one with a death wish.

In that case, let’s grant it and boycott them. Shan’t be crying when they go bust.

293499 Ewan Duffy, 4, #989 of 1934 🔗


Rules for thee but not for me.

Leader of the Irish Labour Party (no connection to the British party headed by Keir Starmer) spotted on a bus not wearing a mask.

293512 OKUK, replying to OKUK, 7, #990 of 1934 🔗

Last week Labour frontbencher Joshua Reynolds called for more censorship of anti-vax material , as it was discouraging people from getting vaccinated against Covid. Presumably he’s now asking the BBC News website to take down their article warning people with significant allergies not to take the Covid vaccine.

293545 ▶▶ OKUK, replying to OKUK, 2, #991 of 1934 🔗

Sorry – Jonathan not Joshua! Bet I’m not the first to have made that error.

293553 ▶▶▶ annie, replying to OKUK, 2, #992 of 1934 🔗

Joshua fight de battle of vaccine-oh
and de lies come tumblin’ down.

294404 ▶▶▶ John P, replying to OKUK, #993 of 1934 🔗

Artistic license.

293731 ▶▶ Steve Hayes, replying to OKUK, #994 of 1934 🔗

Do you mean Jonathan Ashworth, the Shadow Health Secretary?

294405 ▶▶▶ John P, replying to Steve Hayes, #995 of 1934 🔗


293515 Plw, replying to Plw, 7, #996 of 1934 🔗

I have been completely mask-less since October, and go about my daily business as normal. The only time I have been apprehended was by an overly officious lifeguard whilst watching my son’s swimming lesson. I reeled off a curt email to the leisure centre about educating their staff regarding exemptions, didn’t hear anything back, but no further hassle. I have been around all sorts of shops and opticians, with no problems – maybe the odd “look”, but I don’t let that bother me. I just try to be friendly and look confident.

My son’s primary school asks parents to wear masks on school premises. This I find really sad as there are no goodbye kisses in the morning, or smiley faces to greet the children as they come out of school in the afternoon (apart from me and a couple of others). I really wonder what the longer term consequences are going to be for the children.

If you are considering using your exemption, I’d say go for it. The first time is the most difficult, then it gets easier with experience.

293591 ▶▶ alw, replying to Plw, 1, #997 of 1934 🔗

I have been almost maskless since the beginning. Only at dentist and the occasional visit to the hairdresser.

293693 ▶▶▶ anti_corruption_tsar, replying to alw, #998 of 1934 🔗

I’ve never worn a mask this year – I had hassle on a few occasions, but nothing much. I wonder how many people have never worn a mask so far into this plandemic?

294401 ▶▶ John P, replying to Plw, #999 of 1934 🔗

I know. I’ve never worn a mask.

293516 Ewan Duffy, replying to Ewan Duffy, 9, #1000 of 1934 🔗


Varadkar tells us we might have some freedom (in Ireland) for Easter. Having said that, he told us three weeks to flatten the curve.

293523 ▶▶ Janice21, replying to Ewan Duffy, 2, #1001 of 1934 🔗

Are wet pubs open yet with you guys? What way are travel restrictions? My aunt and uncle live in County Mayo and are hoping to visit us all up north here next weekend.

293570 ▶▶▶ Ewan Duffy, replying to Janice21, 1, #1002 of 1934 🔗

No and no information as to when (if ever) they will be allowed to open.

Travel restrictions are back at stay within your county.

293534 ▶▶ Liam, replying to Ewan Duffy, 16, #1003 of 1934 🔗

Everyone in these islands is trapped in an abusive relationship with our governments.

293802 ▶▶ Ben, replying to Ewan Duffy, 1, #1004 of 1934 🔗

Was Varadkar in charge when thousands were killing themselves from EU imposed austerity?

293517 Stoic, replying to Stoic, 12, #1005 of 1934 🔗

I regret to report that the BBC is involved with tampering with history and concealing its mistakes. On 6 December 2020 I submitted the  complaint below to the BBC: (I shall attach the screenshot of the misleading graphic)

Incorrect information about Covid-19 Vaccine

On 4 December 2020 you published an item on the BBC News website headed “Is the Covid vaccine safe?” By Michelle Roberts Health editor, BBC News online.

The red-coloured graphic provided under the heading “Vaccine Development”, “Covid-19 Development” is wrong and seriously misleading.
The timeline for the Covid-19 vaccine development shows that the vaccine will be approved and distributed after 18 months but in fact it is being approved and distributed after 12 months – the first case of Covid-19 was only identified in Wuhan in December 2019.

This error compounds the advice to parents given by the NHS that vaccines get safety tested for years before being introduced. See the extract below from the website:

Things you need to know about vaccines
• protect you and your child from many serious and potentially deadly diseases
• protect other people in your community – by helping to stop diseases spreading to people who cannot have vaccines
• get safety tested for years before being introduced – they’re also monitored for any side effects
• sometimes cause mild side effects that will not last long – some children may feel a bit unwell and have a sore arm for 2 or 3 days
• reduce or even get rid of some diseases – if enough people are vaccinated

Fortunately I took a screenshot of the misleading graphic which the BBC had published:


Yesterday, 8 December 2020,  I noticed that the BBC had republished the news item originally published on 4 December 2020 https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-55056016 . However there is now a different, presumably correct,  graphic showing  that the vaccine had taken 8 months (not the impossible 18 months previously shown) but with no reference to the incorrect graphic.

Today, 9 December 2020, I have received a reply to my complaint which does not address the error which the BBC had made. This is a serious matter when people are being asked to accept vaccination with a vaccine which has not “been tested for years” (in conflict with NHS advice) but which has only been tested for less than 8 months.

BBC Complaints – Case number CAS-6433253-K7G5M4
BBC Complaints <bbc_complaints_website@contact.bbc.co.uk>

12:47 (6 minutes ago)



to me
Reference CAS-6433253-K7G5M4

Dear Mr Post,

Thank you for contacting us concerning BBC News Online and the article titled ‘Is the Covid vaccine safe?’.

The aim of this article is to explore whether the Pfizer/BioNtech coronavirus vaccine is safe as UK hospitals have started giving people the first doses.

We note your concerns with the graphic titled ‘Vaccine development’.

This graphic compares typical vaccine development with the Covid-19 vaccine development. The graphic displays the Covid-19 vaccine reaches approval and distribution at 8 months, opposed to the typical 5 years.

We can assure you BBC News always aims to report with accuracy, fairness and due impartiality, hearing from all sides of the debate over time.

That said, we do value your feedback. Please be assured your comments have been made available to senior management across the BBC.

Thanks again for getting in touch.

Kind regards,

Christopher McClatchey

BBC Complaints Team

293524 ▶▶ calchas, replying to Stoic, 3, #1006 of 1934 🔗

“He who controls the past …………”

293619 ▶▶ Mabel Cow, replying to Stoic, 8, #1007 of 1934 🔗

From the BBC article:

The Covid vaccine trials have happened at breakneck speed, but they haven’t skipped any steps.

A bit like saying:

I cooked this turkey in 5 minutes instead of 5 hours by turning the oven up to ten thousand degrees Celsius.

293810 ▶▶▶ D B, replying to Mabel Cow, 1, #1008 of 1934 🔗

delicious count me in

293631 ▶▶ Mabel Cow, replying to Stoic, 2, #1009 of 1934 🔗

The Wayback Machine has several snapshots of this page in its previous incarnations.

Here’s confirmation of the original graphic.

293773 ▶▶▶ Stoic, replying to Mabel Cow, #1010 of 1934 🔗

Thanks Mabel – I had not thought of that. Will be useful for the reply to the BBC.

293520 Dan Clarke, replying to Dan Clarke, 4, #1011 of 1934 🔗

What is that 91 year old woman doing at a demonstration?

293529 ▶▶ anon, replying to Dan Clarke, 4, #1012 of 1934 🔗


293537 ▶▶▶ stefarm, replying to anon, 2, #1013 of 1934 🔗


293552 ▶▶ OKUK, replying to Dan Clarke, #1014 of 1934 🔗

It’s BS, it’s not her dont be daft – probably put around by 77th Brigade to discredit vaccine sceptics.

293521 calchas, replying to calchas, 6, #1015 of 1934 🔗

So, what happens if say several hundred thousand people get vaccinated in the UK, before the vaccine is rejected for approval by a leading regulator, in say the EU or US?

The reason might be, for example, inadequate testing.

293525 ▶▶ Country Mumkin, replying to calchas, 6, #1016 of 1934 🔗

Matt still gets a performance related bonus from gates as he will have achieved some culling and infertility. That’s why they need to get on with it, quick!

293526 VickyA, replying to VickyA, 19, #1017 of 1934 🔗

2 comments- ventured outside yesterday and saw 95% unmasked outside in town, few greetings and smiles.
Today was sent link to survey related to my chronic illness and my view and willingness to have COVID vaccine- oh how I did enjoy myself in response!

293548 ▶▶ annie, replying to VickyA, 2, #1018 of 1934 🔗

I hope you blasted them to kingdom come, Vicky!

293639 ▶▶▶ VickyA, replying to annie, 1, #1019 of 1934 🔗

Certainly did, not emotion either just facts and information. My top reference was ONS…so put that in your pipe and smoke it.

293538 OKUK, replying to OKUK, 19, #1020 of 1934 🔗

To name just a few, Julia Hartley-Brewer, Ian Collins and Dominic Lawson must all be feeling a bit stupid today after last week assuring us that no safety trials had been skipped and the vaccine was perfectly safe.

It now appears that the vaccine is dangerous for people with significant allergies, that it can cause Bells Palsy (facial paralysis) and that the makers have no idea what effect it might have on a woman’s fertility.

Will we get any mea culpas? Maybe from Ian Collins – he seems a decent chap. Not the other two I suspect.

Anyone care to mention any others in the media who mocked vaccine sceptics and assured us the vaccine was safe?

293569 ▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to OKUK, 1, #1021 of 1934 🔗

All I can say is #awkward

I will be mentioning this to colleagues who are still going on and on about the vaccine being our saviour.

293584 ▶▶ alw, replying to OKUK, 4, #1022 of 1934 🔗

It is not a vaccine or even a prophylactic…..a witches brew maybe? Shakespeare had it right.

“Double, double toil and trouble;
Fire burn and caldron bubble.
Fillet of a fenny snake,
In the caldron boil and bake;
Eye of newt and toe of frog,
Wool of bat and tongue of dog,
Adder’s fork and blind-worm’s sting,
Lizard’s leg and howlet’s wing,
For a charm of powerful trouble,
Like a hell-broth boil and bubble.

Double, double toil and trouble;
Fire burn and caldron bubble.
Cool it with a baboon’s blood,
Then the charm is firm and good”

293638 ▶▶▶ Waldorf, replying to alw, #1023 of 1934 🔗

A few lines missing but it doesn’t matter. And it means nobody will try to do a Corbyn on you.

293647 ▶▶ Kevin 2, replying to OKUK, 2, #1024 of 1934 🔗

This is anaphylaxis. A potentially fatal allergic reaction.

293651 ▶▶ Steve Hayes, replying to OKUK, 1, #1025 of 1934 🔗

This morning Piers Morgan, on Good Morning Britain, stated that the vaccine is safe and he said he knew this because he had researched it.

293886 ▶▶▶ OKUK, replying to Steve Hayes, #1026 of 1934 🔗

I have coined the term vaccidiots for such know-nothing media numpties risking other people’s health from the safety of their studio sofas. I hate Ofcom but feel free to complain to Ofcom about them offering medical advice when not qualified to do so…

293959 ▶▶ Two-Six, replying to OKUK, #1027 of 1934 🔗

Richie Allen just played a recording of Ian Collins extolling the virtues of this amazing new lovely lovely saviour of a vaccine….but no he won’t have it himself.

293550 godowneasy, replying to godowneasy, 5, #1028 of 1934 🔗

Dr Tedros WHOtshisname congratulates his “Irish Brother” Dr Mike “lock ’em up” Ryan after he was awarded a Lifetime Achievement Award by the Irish Red Cross. I didn’t realise Tedros was Irish or that he was related to Ryan. Lifetime Achievement – hmm.

Place the transporter room on standby Mr Scott. We may not have much time.

293628 ▶▶ Ewan Duffy, replying to godowneasy, 2, #1029 of 1934 🔗

I’m sure there will be a campaign here in Ireland to give Tedros citizenship. /sarc

293682 ▶▶ Ben, replying to godowneasy, 1, #1030 of 1934 🔗

The Red Cross shall receive no more money from me

293551 Victoria, 7, #1031 of 1934 🔗

PCR Test Manufacturer Claims COVID-19 Is a Scam

The Greatest Hoax Ever Perpetuated on an Unsuspecting Public

  • According to Dr. Roger Hodkinson, one of Canada’s top pathologists and an expert in virology, the COVID-19 pandemic is the “greatest hoax ever perpetrated on an unsuspecting public”
  • Hodkinson stressed that PCR tests cannot diagnose infection and mass testing should therefore cease immediately. He also pointed out that social distancing and universal mask wearing are useless measures
  • Michael Yeadon, Ph.D., former vice-president and chief scientific adviser for Pfizer and founder and CEO of the biotech company Ziarco, has also spoken out about how fraudulent PCR testing is being used to manufacture the appearance of a pandemic that doesn’t really exist
  • Others who have identified the COVID-19 pandemic as a global hoax of unprecedented proportions include a group of German lawyers who founded the German Corona Extra-Parliamentary Inquiry Committee and are now laying the foundation for mass class-action lawsuits


293556 Smelly Melly, 7, #1032 of 1934 🔗

Covid-19 is now the new global religion. So to quote Game of Thrones, we now have the new and the old gods. The new being Covid fear and climate change. The old being God where people use to go and sing songs to him.

293561 stefarm, 2, #1033 of 1934 🔗

I’ve just read my tea leaves and they are telling me…..

There is no you know what, just bad actors pretending.

293565 Victoria, replying to Victoria, 13, #1034 of 1934 🔗

Covid Hoax & Useless Masks

According to Dr. Roger Hodkinson, one of Canada’s top pathologists and an expert in virology, the COVID-19 pandemic is the “greatest hoax ever perpetrated on an unsuspecting public.”

He stressed that PCR tests simply cannot diagnose infection and mass testing should therefore cease immediately.

He also pointed out that social distancing is useless as the virus “is spread by aerosols which travel 30 meters or so.”

As for face masks, Hodkinson stated that:

“Masks are utterly useless. There is no evidence base for their effectiveness whatsoever. Paper masks and fabric masks are simply virtue signaling. They’re not even worn effectively most of the time.

It’s utterly ridiculous. Seeing these unfortunate, uneducated people — I’m not saying that in a pejorative sense — seeing these people walking around like lemmings obeying without any knowledge base to put the mask on their face … Nothing could be done to stop the spread of the virus besides protecting older more vulnerable people.”


293621 ▶▶ arfurmo, replying to Victoria, -1, #1035 of 1934 🔗

There does seem to be some doubt about him e.g
Anyone know if he is real?

293644 ▶▶▶ Kevin 2, replying to arfurmo, 4, #1036 of 1934 🔗

Realer than AP ‘fact-checkers’.

293656 ▶▶▶▶ arfurmo, replying to Kevin 2, #1037 of 1934 🔗

I don’t dispute the nonsense that the fact checkers come up with but I’m not sure if the caller really was Dr H.

293683 ▶▶▶▶▶ Kevin 2, replying to arfurmo, 1, #1038 of 1934 🔗
293698 ▶▶▶ Kevin 2, replying to arfurmo, 4, #1039 of 1934 🔗

He’s genuine.

Half hour interview with Anna Brees, from two day’s ago. And he discusses AP trying to ‘fact-check’ him. (Which is a euphemism for trying to cancel or discredit..):-


293804 ▶▶▶▶ arfurmo, replying to Kevin 2, 1, #1040 of 1934 🔗

That’s a relief.

293989 ▶▶▶ Dodderydude, replying to arfurmo, #1041 of 1934 🔗

The fact checkers need to be fact checked and discredited themselves. Dr Hodkinson never claimed to be Chairman of the Royal College of Physicians of Canada. Whoever tried to discredit him didn’t listen to his list of credentials properly. He explained in his much tweeted monologue that he had been Chairman of the Royal College of Physicians of Canada Examination Committee in Pathology in Ottawa.

293567 calchas, 15, #1042 of 1934 🔗

Reposting – because I think this is what is happening, and I think it provides by far the best way to look at why and how measures are being implemented and presented:

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293572 wendyk, replying to wendyk, 9, #1043 of 1934 🔗


More evidence of the shocking collateral damage being inflicted, as the covid obsession continues.

My local Morrison’s is actually doing a lot to support our local food bank and animal shelter, which most folk here donate to regularly.

They are providing special Christmas packs which shoppers can choose from, according to price and contents.

I wish some of the well off proponents of this lunacy would come and visit a food bank, or, better still, take a voluntary pay cut.

293582 ▶▶ Stephanos, replying to wendyk, 6, #1044 of 1934 🔗

I have challenged my MP to advocate and take a pay cut many times but he has NEVER responded to those parts of my emails.

293588 ▶▶▶ wendyk, replying to Stephanos, 1, #1045 of 1934 🔗

Self interest trumps all

293605 ▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to wendyk, 4, #1046 of 1934 🔗

I’ve challenged well paid MPs, academics and media hacks to take massive pay cuts and forego expenses but no-one wants to.

Makes you wonder why.

293637 ▶▶▶ wendyk, replying to Bart Simpson, 3, #1047 of 1934 🔗

No incentive Bart; they all think they’re fireproof.

Just wait till the cladding comes off.

294121 ▶▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to wendyk, #1048 of 1934 🔗

Exactly. The Gods will demand a pay back at some point.

293617 ▶▶ Liam, replying to wendyk, 6, #1049 of 1934 🔗

On my rare visits into my city centre the visible signs of real poverty are written in people’s faces like I’ve never seen before. People are in real distress.

293634 ▶▶▶ wendyk, replying to Liam, 2, #1050 of 1934 🔗

Quite right and still the securely salaried criminals refuse to acknowledge the sheer devastation blighting our society.

My SNP MP recently agreed with my claim that the young, the poor and the self employed are bearing the brunt of this carnage , but then went on to blame Westminster for lack of support and to stress the need for covid containment.

Yes, Boris and co have a lot to answer for, but so have the cultists in Holyrood and Cardiff.

293794 ▶▶ Ben, replying to wendyk, 3, #1051 of 1934 🔗

It’s always the rich who never have to use them who endorse foodbanks

293575 Just about sane, replying to Just about sane, 50, #1052 of 1934 🔗

If I had read that comment that Vallance made in regards to wearing a mask until 2022, before finding lockdown skeptics, I think it would have taken me to full blown insanity.

I wore a mask when they became an offence that would have cost money I cannot afford and I as a law abiding citizen who doesn’t like to lie on applications could not in all consciousness apply for an exemption card with nothing wrong with me. Until now.

My panic button is constantly pressed and every time the government threatens something else, my anxiety goes up another notch. After learning so many of you don’t wear masks, I decided to stop wearing the things and applied for an exemption card. I know it’s a bit of a cop out but I really can’t afford the fines or lawyers if I had to refuse the fines and having realised I genuinely have a valid reason for not wearing one, I went shopping yesterday in the supermarket mask less, I have never smiled so much on a shopping trip, I was the only person maskless and if anyone looked my way, I smiled, the reaction was a smile back. It felt wonderful not to have this contraption on my face.

PS the reason I’m so anxious is because I’m now breaking the law on a daily basis but in secret. I break all the rules that I can get away with but I don’t feel good doing it. I would make a rotten criminal.

293580 ▶▶ Liam, replying to Just about sane, 14, #1053 of 1934 🔗

I worry I’ll completely mentally go under at some stage.

293595 ▶▶▶ Two-Six, replying to Liam, 19, #1054 of 1934 🔗

You have survived this long, don’t worry you are made of strong stuff. You will resist.

293615 ▶▶▶▶ Liam, replying to Two-Six, 5, #1055 of 1934 🔗

Thank you, I will!

293618 ▶▶▶ Just about sane, replying to Liam, 12, #1056 of 1934 🔗

I would have but I found lockdown skeptics, it helps me to know that I’m not the only one that questions this dictatorship we’re living in, which helps keep me sane Oh and reminding myself to breathe.

293694 ▶▶▶▶ Keen Cook, replying to Just about sane, 7, #1057 of 1934 🔗

Breathe well – air is free! Also remind yourself there is absolutely no reason to wear a mask just because someone tells you to. If the science was absolutely clear – that by wearing a mask while out and about, you would be ‘protecting’ someone else – or yourself – (from what I ask you?) – then fine. But the science is not strong is not proven is just not definite (as all science). Choose if you want to wear a mask but we all can choose not to wear one – and being exempt is a choice – I have not worn a mask in the UK ever (though I did have to reluctantly to get on a ferry in July to go to France). It is completely bonkers and a mark of suppression.

293930 ▶▶▶▶▶ charleyfarley, replying to Keen Cook, 1, #1058 of 1934 🔗

Air is indeed free – for now!

293581 ▶▶ TJN, replying to Just about sane, 16, #1059 of 1934 🔗

Well done. Feels just fine, doesn’t it.

As soon as you say ‘exempt’ you’re not breaking any law. If you’re exempt, you’re exempt – no one’s business why – and that’s the end of it.

293585 ▶▶ MDH, replying to Just about sane, 15, #1060 of 1934 🔗

I sympathise. I lost sleep over the introduction of masks. You are not breaking the law, however. Anxiety is perfectly legitimate as a reason not to be muzzled.

293601 ▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to Just about sane, 11, #1061 of 1934 🔗

Well done.

Anxiety is a legitimate reason not to wear one. And from what I recall, barely any fines have been issued for not wearing one.

293603 ▶▶ Squire Western, replying to Just about sane, 5, #1062 of 1934 🔗

A good job, then, that Vallance is not PM so does not get to make a decision on this. I have only worn a mask at the hairdressers so far.

293604 ▶▶ calchas, replying to Just about sane, 13, #1063 of 1934 🔗

Well done -we each do what we can.

It is a moral obligation to break oppressive laws, which are intended to dehumanize and break the spirit of your fellow man and woman.

293606 ▶▶ vargas99, replying to Just about sane, 10, #1064 of 1934 🔗

You are not breaking the law. Stay strong.

293611 ▶▶ stewart, replying to Just about sane, 10, #1065 of 1934 🔗

It is completely beyond me why anyone would feel any guilt whatsoever over cheating to get around a pointless, cruel rule. Subverting an oppressive government can only feel good.

293624 ▶▶▶ JulieR, replying to stewart, 7, #1066 of 1934 🔗

I actually feel great when I break pointless and crazy rules. I feel empowered by the truth.

293809 ▶▶▶ Just about sane, replying to stewart, 5, #1067 of 1934 🔗

Although I agree with you, I was brought up on guilt so find it difficult to overcome the guilt when I’m under stress and in the beginning not seeing my family was stressful. As a family we’re back to normal in regards visiting each other in our homes and I do feel good about that but I don’t find rule breaking easy.

293646 ▶▶ DavidC, replying to Just about sane, 12, #1068 of 1934 🔗

How can you be breaking the law (is mask wearing law or just rules and guidance, I can’t even remember now?) when one of the exmptions is if wearing a mask causes distress and that’s exactly what it was doing to you?! You’re exempt!


293652 ▶▶ Mark, replying to Just about sane, 11, #1069 of 1934 🔗

In general, a major reason not to make a law without very good reason is that once a person has lost respect for a particular law, they are likely to break others they have previously obeyed.

This “Conservative” government has probably been responsible for a wider loss of respect for law in general than any other government in living memory.

Now you have to work out for yourself which laws reflect real truth and should be obeyed because they are right, and which are mere rules, which a re for the guidance of wise men and the obedience of fools. Though of course the guidance in question includes not trying to make that point to a judge…

293658 ▶▶ DRW, replying to Just about sane, 7, #1070 of 1934 🔗

Well done, unmasked shopping takes a lot of initial courage but gets easier the more you do it. I always make a point of recognising fellow unmasked shoppers, an unjust law is no law at all.

293700 ▶▶ Les Tricoteuses, replying to Just about sane, 9, #1071 of 1934 🔗

If you have anxiety you are legitimately exempt. I’m happy for you, please try not to worry too much (I know hard hard that is). An exemption card is a wonderful talisman for those of us not able to deal with any confrontation.

293744 ▶▶ Tom in Scotland, replying to Just about sane, 10, #1072 of 1934 🔗

One of the worst aspects of this shitshow is that governments are taking advantage of well-meaning, law-abiding people like you. It’s a form of abuse. It makes my blood boil. You are one of the good guys and don’t ever forget it.

293926 ▶▶ charleyfarley, replying to Just about sane, 3, #1073 of 1934 🔗

The elite who rule us tell lies and their lies and their actions kill people and immiserate them.

Under the circumstances there is nothing wrong in disobeying their unjust and insane rules. In fact we have a moral obligation to do just that.

Our rulers have been breaking the rules of natural justice left, right and centre since the first lockdown and have lost all moral authority as far as I’m concerned.

294064 ▶▶ dhid, replying to Just about sane, 2, #1074 of 1934 🔗

@Just about sane,

If you are in the UK you do NOT have to apply for anything or wear anything to show you are “exempt”.

If you find wearing a mask “distressing” that is sufficient reason, and complies with the (non legally enforceable) “rules”.

A shop or anywhere that is private property can technically refuse entry to anybody they choose, but they are not supposed to challenge anyone as to why they are exempt. Your medical “condition” of finding wearing a mask “distressing” is a private matter.

Well done for joining the club!

294089 ▶▶▶ dhid, replying to dhid, 1, #1075 of 1934 🔗

Further to above:

Note that the police – despite what they may believe – also have no right to ask you why you aren’t wearing a mask, but they can remove you from private property, if you were to refuse the owner or occupier, or an agent of the owner or occupier (a security numpty etc) to leave.

293579 calchas, replying to calchas, 33, #1076 of 1934 🔗

One good questiom to ask waverers is:

“So, when was the last time that mask-wearing and distancing was made compulsory for a population?”

You let them think for a minute, and if they come up with something, then it’s usually the Spanish Flu in my experience.

You then tell them the answer:

Masks and ‘Social Distancing’ were mandatory for prisoners at the US miltary base at Guantanamo – Gitmo.

Ask them then why they think that was?

293596 ▶▶ Squire Western, replying to calchas, #1077 of 1934 🔗

Was it because no-one wants to look at the ugly faces of deluded jihadis?

293612 ▶▶▶ calchas, replying to Squire Western, 7, #1078 of 1934 🔗

The idea was to stop them seeing each others’ faces as it is with us.

Now that we have the ‘War on Death’, we don’t need the ‘War on Terror’.

293981 ▶▶▶ Old Bill, replying to Squire Western, 1, #1079 of 1934 🔗

Masks or no masks, the problem is that when both are religious extremists, it is nearly impossible to tell by looking the difference between a deluded jihadi and a deluded prime minister – even looking at their actions doesn’t give you much of a clue.

293598 ▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to calchas, 14, #1080 of 1934 🔗

Good point and I don’t think mask wearing was even compulsory during the Spanish flu plus it was abandoned quickly when they learned that masks were ineffective and made things worse.

293632 ▶▶▶ Waldorf, replying to Bart Simpson, 6, #1081 of 1934 🔗

Their use in the Spanish Flu was far more sporadic than today.

293587 Squire Western, replying to Squire Western, 4, #1082 of 1934 🔗

I read the article in the Lancet. The claim that the Oxford vaccine is 90% effective in a small dose/large dose regime seems to be based on such a small sample I struggle to see that it can be statistically significant. Only 33 people from this cohort contracted symptomatic Covid-19; thirty who had received the control and a mere three who had had the actual vaccine.

293614 ▶▶ OKUK, replying to Squire Western, 1, #1083 of 1934 🔗

Odd you’re mentioning the difference in prevalence if you think it’s statistically irrelevant. Surely mentioning cohort size woukd be more relevant.

293697 ▶▶▶ Squire Western, replying to OKUK, #1084 of 1934 🔗

The cohort size was about 1,300 if I remember correctly but it is fairly unimportant. Very few developed symptoms whether inoculated with vaccine or placebo so any statistics derived from such low numbers are highly dubious. If the trial had found that 3,300 ,say, had developed symptomatic Covid-19 of whom 3,000 were from the placebo group, now that would have been significant. 3/33 is not, even though the proportions are identical.

293763 ▶▶▶▶ Richard Pinch, replying to Squire Western, -1, #1085 of 1934 🔗

Back of an envelope calculation. There were 101 cases out of 5829 participants receiving placebo, 30 out of 5807 receiving vaccine. So the prevalence may be estimated at 101/5829 = 1.73%. The expected number of cases in the 5807 vaccine group would be about 101. The null hypothesis is that the vaccine has no effect, and that the difference between observed 30 and expected 101 is due to chance. On that assumption, taking a binomial with p=0.0173 and q=0.9827, the standard deviation is sigma = sqrt(5807*p*q) = 9.9 and the difference is just over 7 sigma, an enormously significant event. The null hypothesis, that difference is purely due to chance, would be rejected.

293594 Bart Simpson, replying to Bart Simpson, 29, #1086 of 1934 🔗

Although I’m doing most of my Christmas shopping online, I’ve done a few forays into Central London as certain things are cheaper if you get them in store (especially with small gifts) and see how stores are with regards to customer service during these insane times.

Based from my shopping trips, the following win the Bart Simpson Gold Star for exceptional customer service. Awarded for their Efforts to keep things normal and Friendly towards those who are muzzle free:

Fortnum & Mason
Neon Sheep
New Loon Moon
Caffe Nero
Pizza Pilgrims

With regards to Pizza Pilgrims it was worrying and sad that I was the only eat in customer yesterday. A far cry from before March 2020 when it was always busy with a steady stream of customers.

Hope this shows that while there are retailers who we should boycott, we should also recognise those who have not lost their humanity and good customer service despite efforts to destroy both.

293659 ▶▶ stefarm, replying to Bart Simpson, 5, #1087 of 1934 🔗

Do like a bit of pizza pilgrims and have visited a few times, buzzing Soho, pizza, bit of a pub crawl afterwards, bit of record shopping in-between.

Why can’t people see what is happening, do they assume shops will magically re-open. My parents live in a lovely Kent village, already shops are closed and boarded up never to return, few people question it.

293676 ▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to stefarm, 6, #1088 of 1934 🔗

Good question. The lights & decorations in Central London do disguise the fact that many shops, pubs, restaurants & cafes have closed never to return. The bit along Regent Street heading towards Piccadilly Circus has rows of shops that have shut permanently.

293673 ▶▶ annie, replying to Bart Simpson, 1, #1089 of 1934 🔗

Good news.

293679 ▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to annie, 1, #1090 of 1934 🔗

I did feel positive after my last two shopping trips. They restored some faith in humanity for me.

293608 godowneasy, replying to godowneasy, 13, #1091 of 1934 🔗

Vaccine allergy warnings include:

The advice applies to those who have had reactions to medicines, food or vaccines, the Medicines and Healthcare products Regulatory Agency said.”

I have a serious allergic reaction to people who are insane – therefore, if needed, I intend to declare a long term nut allergy.

293671 ▶▶ annie, replying to godowneasy, 4, #1092 of 1934 🔗

Asymptomatic, I presume?

293687 ▶▶▶ dhid, replying to annie, 1, #1093 of 1934 🔗

Asymptomatic, I presume?”

I’ve just “discovered” I am nut allergic too!
But thankfully asymptomatic!

Who knows how many may also “discover” this…..

293707 ▶▶ mattghg, replying to godowneasy, 3, #1094 of 1934 🔗

This is actually good news for me, because it gives me a cast-iron excuse to refuse the vaccine (not that I would have accepted it anyway).

293625 Mark, replying to Mark, 16, #1095 of 1934 🔗

Priti Patel is ‘planning to give police new powers to curb protests which target the foundations of democracy’ like Parliament, newspapers and the courts after Extinction Rebellion chaos comment image
Priti Patel is planning to hand new powers to the police to curb protests which disrupt the foundations of British democracy, it was claimed today.

Leaving aside the utter uselessness of Parliament, newspapers or courts, or even democracy itself, at protecting us from coronapanic tyranny this year, what kind of idiot would listen to the likes of Patel, who has presided unconcerned over the disgracefully thuggish and politically selective suppression of anti-lockdown protests, asking for “more powers” for police?

The ones they have are more than adequate, the problem is that they choose not to use them against political correctness causes like BLM and XR.

And while you’re here, Patel, did you ever say who gave the order to the police to go in hard on the lockdown protesters?

293629 ▶▶ calchas, replying to Mark, 4, #1096 of 1934 🔗

I think we all see through this.

The Party is always right-

293668 ▶▶ Darryl, replying to Mark, 8, #1097 of 1934 🔗

BLM and XR are tools of the establishment used as an excuse to clamp down on non-controlled opposition. XR blocking the print works was a clear example of activists being used as useful idiots to further the establishment cause of shutting down anti lockdown opposition.

293696 ▶▶▶ awildgoose, replying to Darryl, 2, #1098 of 1934 🔗

Don’t forget the coppers ready to swoop in if Antifa, BLM, and XR can’t handle the business.

293686 ▶▶ Nobody2020, replying to Mark, 6, #1099 of 1934 🔗

This sounds more like a way for government to do whatever they like and stop people from protesting about it.

“If you don’t like what we’re doing you can wait 4 years before you can vote against it”

That’s what they mean by democracy.

293689 ▶▶ Ben, replying to Mark, 6, #1100 of 1934 🔗

The United Kingdom is not a democracy. Denying freedom of speech and right to protest will only cause burning resentment. I’m sure there are lots of hand-wringing articles from The Guardian re lack of human rights in China and North Korea

293764 ▶▶▶ Darryl, replying to Ben, 6, #1101 of 1934 🔗

Human Rights only matter to the Guardian and its readers if you are the right type of person. If you are deemed to be an undesirable you can go to a death camp as far as they are concerned. Same with the BBC.

293704 ▶▶ mattghg, replying to Mark, 3, #1102 of 1934 🔗

I don’t have a lot of sympathy for either BLM or XR are political movements, but when it comes to ‘giving the police powers’ to ‘clamp down on protests’ I think I’m on their side. F*** this totalitarian nightmare.

293635 Bill Grates, replying to Bill Grates, 4, #1103 of 1934 🔗
293870 ▶▶ calchas, replying to Bill Grates, #1104 of 1934 🔗

Very good!

293640 Thomas_E, replying to Thomas_E, 66, #1105 of 1934 🔗

Just heard from a friend that his wife tried to commit suicide. Apparently the reason is this lockdown and she kept repeating that there is no future so what is the point. She is 39 and they have 3 young children together. They made this world of ours not worth living anymore. Dam them , they are scum and if there is such a thing as Hell they will fry in it for all eternity!!

293641 ▶▶ AnotherSceptic, replying to Thomas_E, 15, #1106 of 1934 🔗

Sorry to hear that. I hope that your friends wife will be alright.
I agree also with what you say.

293672 ▶▶▶ Thomas_E, replying to AnotherSceptic, 21, #1107 of 1934 🔗

It’s so hard..To give you a bit of background. SHe had a complete meltdown in April and was seen by 5 different expert in 5 different institutions. She was basically in institutions since then..She came home last week and already tried to kill herself. my friend is distraught, he does not even know how to tell his children ( 6,4 and 1,5). The thing that scares him the most is how clam she is about it. In April she was manic and panicky and now she is calm , collected and content. He told me she said to him she is calm as now she knows how to take back control of this mess – end her own life. I’m afraid that next time wont be attempted but a success.

293785 ▶▶▶▶ Ben, replying to Thomas_E, 3, #1108 of 1934 🔗

Maybe she can see what’s happening whilst the sheep are blind

293655 ▶▶ dhid, replying to Thomas_E, 14, #1109 of 1934 🔗

That is shocking indeed.
I hope the scum responsible for this terrorism against us will be brought to book.

I am genuinely shocked by that.

You hear vaguely about suicide and attempts are happening, but when someone says a friend is directly affected by this, at just 39 it is truly, truly terrible.

293905 ▶▶▶ charleyfarley, replying to dhid, 3, #1110 of 1934 🔗

Exactly! It is the individual stories like this that bring home the horror of what has been done – and is still going on. Difficult to find the words to express the right response.

293670 ▶▶ annie, replying to Thomas_E, 19, #1111 of 1934 🔗

Tell her, tell her, tell her that this will end, that her children have a future, that we will NEVER give in, that we are right, that we will win.

293690 ▶▶ awildgoose, replying to Thomas_E, 7, #1112 of 1934 🔗

Sorry to hear about this.

I am often struggling with similar thoughts about the future.

293703 ▶▶ DRW, replying to Thomas_E, 9, #1113 of 1934 🔗

I’m really sorry to hear that, these stories are sadly increasingly common. Those feelings are very familiar, I frequently get bad days too. But I’d say her family is something worth fighting for and she should never forget she is not alone, as lonely as it often feels. We still need as many remaining humans as we can get.

293736 ▶▶ Lisa (formerly) from Toronto, replying to Thomas_E, 16, #1114 of 1934 🔗

I am so sorry to hear this, but unfortunately I’m not surprised. I just read a piece in one of our national newspapers that the number of subway jumpers is up in Toronto. I shouldn’t have read the readers’ comments as I knew it would raise my blood pressure — most of them were about how the TTC (Toronto Transit Commission) should put up barriers to stop people from being able to jump on the tracks, that we just don’t spend enough on mental health…and not one comment about WHY the number of suicides is up. And no acknowledgement that these deaths skew far younger than the average Covid death (80+). Makes me sick that people can be so singularly focused on a bad flu to the exclusion of all else. But we’re the selfish ones!

293782 ▶▶ Ben, replying to Thomas_E, 1, #1115 of 1934 🔗

Oh my god!

293894 ▶▶ Two-Six, replying to Thomas_E, 5, #1116 of 1934 🔗

Is this the woman who was cleaning everything obsessively for 15 hours a day and thinking about washing her kids in bleach in the bath?

I know a woman who talked and obsessed repeatedly about killing herself for years. She never really tried however. She was a clever lady and she would not have failed.

She died of cervical cancer a few years ago, aged 47.

That was a tragedy.

293901 ▶▶ charleyfarley, replying to Thomas_E, 2, #1117 of 1934 🔗

If I was that man I’d be looking for Hancock with my gun.

Simply awful.

Perhaps he, and she, would get some comfort from this site. It has helped me.

294035 ▶▶ Noumenon, replying to Thomas_E, 2, #1118 of 1934 🔗

This is very sad, so sorry to hear that. They do say that calm collectedness is a sign that someone has made up their mind.

I’m aware of three suicides and one attempted suicide (two occasions) during this period. All were in their 30s, one of the suicides was a man, all the others women.

The statistics must be shocking, but I don’t know what they are…

294125 ▶▶ Sue, replying to Thomas_E, 3, #1119 of 1934 🔗

very tragic that someone so young and with children should feel so distraught to take their own life.
I was speaking to a lady this week who worked in mental health and she said there were so many cases coming through and of people who had no previous history of mental issues.
The gov have so much blood on their hands. They have turned everyday life into a hell hole and it’s difficult to see how to clamber out.

294259 ▶▶ ajb97b, replying to Thomas_E, 1, #1120 of 1934 🔗

Hi Thomas_E
Can you say what part of the country you and they are in?

293643 steve_w, replying to steve_w, 13, #1121 of 1934 🔗

“At a certain point, society, through political leaders, through elected ministers and through Parliament, will say this level of risk is a level of risk that we think it is appropriate to tolerate,” he said.”

Whitty above.

I think most people realised this was in June, if not well before.

It does look like he’s saying its up to the politicians

293667 ▶▶ stevie, replying to steve_w, 4, #1122 of 1934 🔗

Covering his arse before the inquiry

293699 ▶▶ mattghg, replying to steve_w, 1, #1123 of 1934 🔗

It is up to the politicians and always has been, which is one of many reasons why claiming to be ‘led by the science’ was always a total hostage to fortune.

293757 ▶▶▶ stewart, replying to mattghg, 1, #1124 of 1934 🔗

It’s the other way around. For as long as “the scientists” say that it’s unsafe to reduce measures, the politicians won’t do it, to cover their arses in the coming enquiry.

It’s the politicians that fear the public enquiry more than anyone.

“I just did what the scientists told me to do, guv, honest I did…”

293768 ▶▶▶▶ mattghg, replying to stewart, #1125 of 1934 🔗

Vallance testified to parliament that SAGE doesn’t consider the economic impact of the measures it recommends. Well someone has to!

293896 ▶▶▶▶ charleyfarley, replying to stewart, 1, #1126 of 1934 🔗

I doubt there will ever be an enquiry, and if there is it will be stuffed with people who can be trusted to come to the “right” decision.

Peerages and knighthoods will follow.

294033 ▶▶▶▶ microdave, replying to stewart, 1, #1127 of 1934 🔗

To cover their arses in the coming enquiry

I hold little hope that anything will come of an enquiry (if we ever get one). It will be a stage-managed farce, and the only outcome will be assurances that “Lessons Will Be Learnt”. This, of course, means no such thing…

293645 Zak Thelotofem, replying to Zak Thelotofem, 6, #1128 of 1934 🔗

Looks like that pesky Ivermentin is working again:

STUDY QUESTION: Is ivermectin associated with lower mortality rate in patients hospitalized with coronavirus disease 2019 (COVID-19)?
RESULTS: A retrospective cohort study of consecutive patients hospitalized with confirmed severe acute respiratory syndrome coronavirus 2 infection at a four-hospital consortium in South Florida. Analysis showed statistically significant lower mortality rates in the group treated with ivermectin as compared with the group treated with usual care (15.0% vs 25.2%). Mortality also was lower for ivermectin-treated patients in the subgroup of patients with severe pulmonary involvement (38.8% vs. 80.7% for ivermectin and usual care, respectively;)
INTERPRETATION: Ivermectin was associated with lower mortality during treatment of COVID-19 patients, especially in patients who required higher inspired oxygen or ventilatory support.


Numerous studies have provided evidence supporting the use of ivermectin to prevent and treat COVID-19, according to the Frontline COVID-19 Critical Care Alliance.
Paul Marik, MD, FCCM, FCCP, founder of the alliance and a professor and chief of the division of pulmonary and critical care medicine at Eastern Virginia Medical School, said that ivermectin “is a safe drug that is exceedingly cheap.”
He added that “what is truly remarkable — this was a gift to us — ivermectin has high activity against COVID-19.”


293701 ▶▶ Steve Martindale, replying to Zak Thelotofem, 10, #1129 of 1934 🔗

This is one of the huge scandals of this hoo-haa, all this focus on vaccines and ignoring the development of effective treatments when it seemed glaringly obvious that effective treatments could and should have been developed.

293648 kh1485, replying to kh1485, 42, #1130 of 1934 🔗

Got a lot of dirty looks from the masked-up right now while out doing a bit of shopping. Their cold, beady little eyes peering at my unmasked face in snooty disapproval. I just laughed, which they hate even more. Yeah, glare at me you bovine idiots, but you haven’t got the courage of your convictions have you, to actually challenge me …

293657 ▶▶ DocRC, replying to kh1485, 15, #1131 of 1934 🔗

Someone on here yesterday posted the perfect riposte to someone who challenged him for not wearing a mask: “It’s you who is a zombie, not me!”

293677 ▶▶▶ kh1485, replying to DocRC, 13, #1132 of 1934 🔗

I think, after about the fifth dirty look, I said something along the lines of “glare all you want, in your dirty little face rag …”

293791 ▶▶▶ arfurmo, replying to DocRC, 2, #1133 of 1934 🔗

It was Harry Hopkins

293831 ▶▶▶▶ Harry hopkins, replying to arfurmo, #1134 of 1934 🔗

Didn’t know you cared Arfur:-)

293827 ▶▶▶ Harry hopkins, replying to DocRC, #1135 of 1934 🔗

It was me! 🙂

293665 ▶▶ DRW, replying to kh1485, 7, #1136 of 1934 🔗

They are envious of visible humanity KH, you are worth infinitely more than them.

293666 ▶▶ annie, replying to kh1485, 6, #1137 of 1934 🔗

That’s the spirit. Would you worry if a slug or earwig glared at you?

293709 ▶▶▶ kh1485, replying to annie, 3, #1138 of 1934 🔗

Oh, not worried Annie, just pissed off that they think they have the right to judge.

293713 ▶▶▶ calchas, replying to annie, 2, #1139 of 1934 🔗

Oh, I avoid walking on slugs.

I feel a kinship with slugs and earwigs, as they are both forms of lfe.

Covidianism on the other hand is not life – it is the ante-room of death.

293674 ▶▶ Thomas_E, replying to kh1485, 8, #1140 of 1934 🔗

Fuck them , it’s them who are the scared sheep , not you.

293681 ▶▶▶ kh1485, replying to Thomas_E, 10, #1141 of 1934 🔗

And boy, don’t they look bloody miserable …

294012 ▶▶ Old Normal, replying to kh1485, 1, #1142 of 1934 🔗

I’ve not had any dirty looks really. I sometimes wear a lanyard and sometimes not. Nobody seems to even notice me in the local shops and I often think I’m a hologram or something.

My lanyard was the wrong way round one day so the blank side was facing out. Nobody said a thing or even glanced in my direction.

Everyone just looks so miserable and robotic. I avoid the shops as much as possible for this reason. It makes me feel really anxious.

294177 ▶▶▶ Edward, replying to Old Normal, #1143 of 1934 🔗

Same here, I rarely see anyone reacting to my lack of mask. But I’m the sort of person who doesn’t get noticed when trying to buy a drink at the bar, in the days when that was an option.

293649 Censored Dog, replying to Censored Dog, 12, #1144 of 1934 🔗

Some big-brain journalism from the BBC live feed: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/world-55243457

Lockdown sceptics = far-right
Only because areas with ‘higher infection rates’ voted for the AfD

Sceptics aren’t the ones getting (voluntarily) tested.

293680 ▶▶ Julian, replying to Censored Dog, 18, #1145 of 1934 🔗

They have been using the “far right” label for ages, not just in connection with Germany. There is no logic to it, it’s just one of many ways that the BBC choose to smear dissenters without addressing the issues. The BBC are waging all-out war on us, they are the enemy. They hate us.

293844 ▶▶▶ George Mc, replying to Julian, 5, #1146 of 1934 🔗

I think there is a logic to the “far right” connection. They’re trying to make out that this lockdown/ restriction/ vaccine approach serves some kind of “progressive” cause. Therefore, scepticism is “reactionary”, “putting profits before people” etc.

In an early exchange with me, someone referred to scepticism as a “libertarian” thing – as if political ideology was the only criteria by which to judge a statement.

Expect more of this sceptic-as-far-right meme leading on to connections with Neo-Nazis, white supremacists and the inevitable anti-Semites.

294265 ▶▶▶▶ Julian, replying to George Mc, #1147 of 1934 🔗

The other “logic” is that that “far-right” is a ready-made trigger for people to immediately take a strong position against something – a bit like Trump mentioning HCQ. The modern way is to take positions on issues based on who else holds positions foro or against and whether that person is “good” or “bad” – much easier than deciding each issue for yourself, on its merits.

293691 ▶▶ stefarm, replying to Ewan Duffy, 3, #1149 of 1934 🔗

Wouldn’t of fancied sticking the cotton bud up a lion’s nose. The president of Tanzania did test a goat

293715 ▶▶ dhid, replying to Ewan Duffy, 3, #1150 of 1934 🔗

Damn! We can’t use them to eat BJ, HandCock, Vacant and Witless as they will have to “self isolate” now…..

293766 ▶▶ Al T, replying to Ewan Duffy, 2, #1151 of 1934 🔗

No comments section on that article. Otherwise it would have been full of Covidians saying the Lions should have been socially distanced and masked.

293878 ▶▶ Two-Six, replying to Ewan Duffy, -1, #1152 of 1934 🔗

I bet they shoot them for their own safety

293684 alw, 6, #1153 of 1934 🔗

P olitical satirist H. L. Mencken said, “The whole aim of practical politics is to keep the populace alarmed (and hence clamorous to be led to safety) by menacing it with an endless series of hobgoblins, all of them imaginary.” By the way, the best time to scare people, be wrong and persist in being wrong is when the costs of being wrong are borne by others.


293685 Cecil B, replying to Cecil B, 18, #1154 of 1934 🔗

The removal of our liberty is to be voted on again in Parliament in February

Mr V has announced that the house arrest etc will go on until 2022, and therefore there is no need for parliament to be involved

Don’t remember voting for him

293695 ▶▶ mattghg, replying to Cecil B, 18, #1155 of 1934 🔗

Honestly, it’s time for SAGE to be disbanded, sacked, cleared out, sent packing, banished etc. etc. etc.

293776 ▶▶▶ Ben, replying to mattghg, 2, #1156 of 1934 🔗

The Government would create another ‘independent’ body to take advice from

293807 ▶▶▶▶ George L, replying to Ben, 7, #1157 of 1934 🔗

Get rid of that ‘commie’ Susan Michie for a start. People need to wake the f*ck up, its people like this who are running the show..


293725 ▶▶ stewart, replying to Cecil B, 5, #1158 of 1934 🔗

I propose 3 possible options:

  1. Do nothing and watch them trample of our civil liberties again
  2. Go out and physically protest, riot and subvert
  3. Demand that your MP return your civil liberties in full (liberty2019.org)

I’m sure there are other options, but will broadly fall into one of those 3 categories.

293798 ▶▶▶ John Stitch non stop dancer, replying to stewart, #1159 of 1934 🔗

Fill the streets and demand to be arrested.

293688 Nobody2020, replying to Nobody2020, 15, #1160 of 1934 🔗

It’s strange, I thought the vaccine was “fully tested and safe” yet today we find out it can trigger allergic reactions.

293711 ▶▶ Mayo, replying to Nobody2020, 9, #1161 of 1934 🔗

Lots of medicines and procedures can trigger allergic reactions. The fault here lies with the UK Regulators who, inexplicably, appear not to have noticed that anyone with severe allergies was specifically EXCLUDED from the vaccine trials.

I’m not sure why the 2 healthcare workers themselves didn’t think to mention it.

293716 ▶▶▶ Julian, replying to Mayo, 6, #1162 of 1934 🔗

The fault here lies with the UK Regulators who, inexplicably….” Indeed, though it hardly seems inexplicable to me – they were in a rush, under pressure.

293818 ▶▶▶▶ OKUK, replying to Julian, 3, #1163 of 1934 🔗

Yep they decided to keep their job by not doing their job properly. Totally explicable.

293721 ▶▶▶ Steve Hayes, replying to Mayo, 1, #1164 of 1934 🔗

I think the MHRA’s fault might be that it decided to take Pfizer’s word for the safety of the so called vaccine.

293726 ▶▶▶▶ p02099003, replying to Steve Hayes, 5, #1165 of 1934 🔗

Like their predecessors did with thalidomide.

293999 ▶▶▶▶▶ microdave, replying to p02099003, #1166 of 1934 🔗

Like their predecessors did with thalidomide

I’m amazed this tragic episode isn’t mentioned more often, considering the amount of discussion about vaccines. Perhaps the powers that be assume we’ve all forgotten about it….

293751 ▶▶▶▶ vargas99, replying to Steve Hayes, 3, #1167 of 1934 🔗

MHRA did what Wancock told them to – because they are not Independent as he claimed – they are an executive agency of the DHSC

293796 ▶▶▶▶▶ George L, replying to vargas99, 4, #1168 of 1934 🔗

MRHA knew exctly what was coming regarding vaccine injury. Well in advance too. They were ordering software to calculate it back in October..

Supplies – 506291-2020 – TED Tenders Electronic Daily

293830 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ OKUK, replying to George L, 1, #1169 of 1934 🔗

Yep – well remembered! We discussed that at the time.

293828 ▶▶▶▶ OKUK, replying to Steve Hayes, 1, #1170 of 1934 🔗

Pfizer made it clear that the vaccine would not be “a walk in the park” for people and that they could acquird the symptoms of the virus. The government, the NHS and its tame agencies have not being one tenth as honest.

293730 ▶▶▶ Nobody2020, replying to Mayo, 4, #1171 of 1934 🔗

The vaccine may well be relatively safe but to claim it’s fully tested then the very next day evidence shows that it’s not fully tested it really doesn’t do much for trust.

293832 ▶▶▶▶ OKUK, replying to Nobody2020, 4, #1172 of 1934 🔗

Well the virus is “pretty safe” for any healthy person under 70.

293745 ▶▶▶ Kevin 2, replying to Mayo, 2, #1173 of 1934 🔗

Because there was no prior warning that anybody with allergies should not get the jab.
And that’s 10-40% of the population…
The MHRA will have a lot to answer for.

293752 ▶▶▶ TJN, replying to Mayo, 1, #1174 of 1934 🔗

I was wondering whether people with severe allergies were excluded from the rials, and was discussing this with someone earlier.

Do you have a source to hand pointing this out? Sorry for being lazy, but I don’t have much time at the moment.

293849 ▶▶▶▶ OKUK, replying to TJN, 2, #1175 of 1934 🔗

I made this point before – people who take part in vaccine trials will generally be healthier than the average.

293863 ▶▶▶▶ Kevin 2, replying to TJN, 1, #1176 of 1934 🔗

“According to Pfizer’s clinical trial protocol , people with a “history of severe adverse reaction associated with a vaccine and/or severe allergic reaction (eg, anaphylaxis) to any component of the study intervention(s)” were not allowed to take part in the testing.”


293928 ▶▶▶▶▶ TJN, replying to Kevin 2, #1177 of 1934 🔗

Thanks for this. Although it is slightly, and possibly crucially, different from Mayo’s anyone with severe allergies was specifically EXCLUDED.

I’m not saying Mayo or the Independent report are incorrect though, but it would be nice to clear it yup.

293814 ▶▶▶ OKUK, replying to Mayo, 1, #1178 of 1934 🔗

You’re blaming the poor health workers? That’s outrageous! They been subject to non stop vaxophile propaganda in the media. Why would they think the vaccine could damage their health.

293839 ▶▶▶ Mabel Cow, replying to Mayo, 1, #1179 of 1934 🔗

From the Pfizer clinical protocol document for C4591001:

5.2. Exclusion Criteria
Participants are excluded from the study if any of the following criteria apply:

3. History of severe adverse reaction associated with a vaccine and/or severe allergic reaction (eg, anaphylaxis) to any component of the study intervention(s).

And yet I couldn’t find any reference to allergies in the government’s guidance to health professionals .

293888 ▶▶▶▶ OKUK, replying to Mabel Cow, #1180 of 1934 🔗

I suspect neither of the health workers falls into that category.

293902 ▶▶▶▶ Victoria, replying to Mabel Cow, #1181 of 1934 🔗

Yes, there is always a first time to have a significant response

293712 ▶▶ Julian, replying to Nobody2020, 1, #1182 of 1934 🔗

Well, to be fair, who would have predicted possible problems with allergies?

293777 ▶▶▶ Kevin 2, replying to Julian, #1183 of 1934 🔗

It’s rather important to ascertain whether a novel medical intervention will cause an adverse reaction in 10-40% of the population, before approving its use, don’t you think?

Otherwise there is no point in having a regulator…

“The World Allergy Organization defines “anaphylaxis” as an acute, potentially lethal, multisystem syndrome resulting from the sudden release of mast cell and basophil-derived mediators into the circulation. This can be due to either an immunological or non-immunological mechanism. Regardless of the mechanism involved, the signs and symptoms of anaphylaxis are the same. See the WAO 2014 journal publication “International consensus on anaphylaxis” for a thorough discussion of the diagnosis and treatment of anaphylaxis.(1) The term “immunologic anaphylaxis” is used to denote IgE-medicated, possibly IgG- mediated (described in animals), and immune complex and/or complement-mediated reactions. “Nonimmunologic anaphylaxis” is caused by agents or events that induce sudden, massive mast cell or basophil degranulation in the absence of immunoglobulins. These reactions may be due to activation of complement without immune complex formation, e.g., medications containing Cremophor EL; direct mast cell and basophil activation resulting in histamine release, e.g., vancomycin; and opiates; or other mechanisms. e.g., activation of the kallikrein-kinin pathway; and perhaps much more yet to be defined. “Nonimmunologic anaphylaxis” is felt to involve reactions to NSAIDS, local anesthetics, monoclonal antibodies, and chemotherapeutic agents. While radiocontrast agents have traditionally felt to be nonimmunologic, some of the newer, low-osmolar agents may involve IgE-mediated reactions. We may find, with more research, that both immunologic and nonimmunologic anaphylaxis occur concurrently in some patients.
If using this newer terminology, “nonimmunologic anaphylaxis” would replace the older terminology which described these reactions as “anaphylactoid”. (2) One purported reason for the change in terminology was to reinforce the risk and potential fatality of all types of anaphylaxis, regardless of the mechanism of action, as many patients and even professionals associated “anaphylactoid” with a less serious condition.
For clinicians and patients, the important takeaway message is that anaphylaxis, regardless of the underlying mechanism, is a serious and potentially life-threatening event that must be treated immediately with epinephrine .”


293781 ▶▶▶▶ Julian, replying to Kevin 2, 7, #1184 of 1934 🔗

It’s rather important to ascertain whether a novel medical intervention will cause an adverse reaction in 10-40% of the population, before approving its use, don’t you think?”

Indeed. Probably the rollout of new food colouring agents or perfume is subject to more stringent requirements and more prudence than this vaccine.

293851 ▶▶▶ OKUK, replying to Julian, #1185 of 1934 🔗

You’re being sarcastic I presume!

293718 ▶▶ Steve Hayes, replying to Nobody2020, 3, #1186 of 1934 🔗

This morning on Good Morning Britain Piers Morgan stated that he had researched vaccine and knows it is safe.

293738 ▶▶▶ dhid, replying to Steve Hayes, 2, #1187 of 1934 🔗

Wonder how many doses we could persuade him to take?
Up his arse…..

293746 ▶▶▶ FlynnQuill, replying to Steve Hayes, 9, #1188 of 1934 🔗

He needs to tell Mike Yeadon et al where he found this information as he can find very little. My wife, a Pharmacist working for the NHS can find feck all on it either. But Morgan knows; dangerous bellend.

293756 ▶▶▶ DRW, replying to Steve Hayes, 2, #1189 of 1934 🔗

Can’t wait for Lord Haw-Haw to take an actual one live on his show.

293786 ▶▶▶ Ozzie, replying to Steve Hayes, 4, #1190 of 1934 🔗

Similar to those who researched the effectiveness of masks – trouble is that they can never show the references that they used. Can only concluded that when people like this say “researched” it is something that they found on Twitter (or FB or ….?)

294013 ▶▶▶▶ microdave, replying to Ozzie, #1191 of 1934 🔗

Trouble is that they can never show the references that they used

I think there have been a couple of studies supporting the effectiveness of masks, but both have (conveniently) been published only late this year. Unlike those which say masks are either not effective, or actually bad for you. I carefully downloaded & saved a total of 33 different reports and investigations going back many years, when someone linked to them recently. I figured it was prudent, considering how quickly anything questioning government policy gets “Cancelled” these days…

293793 ▶▶▶ mjr, replying to Steve Hayes, 10, #1192 of 1934 🔗

this morning i researched Piers Morgan and know he is an arsehole

293854 ▶▶▶ OKUK, replying to Steve Hayes, 1, #1193 of 1934 🔗

What a bumptious fool! Put him on the list of vaccidiots who told us it was safe: JHB, Ian Collins, and Dominic Lawson….feel free to add to the list.

293748 ▶▶ DRW, replying to Nobody2020, 4, #1194 of 1934 🔗

Only two days in and the wheels are already falling off. Could be the latest “game changer” announced to much fanfare but soon forgotten: Nightingale Hospitals, antibody tests, better antibody tests, the 1m+ rule, T&T, probably a few more.

293876 ▶▶▶ Two-Six, replying to DRW, 2, #1195 of 1934 🔗

I hope so.

293692 CGL, replying to CGL, 2, #1196 of 1934 🔗


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293705 ▶▶ Broken Cornets, replying to CGL, 7, #1197 of 1934 🔗

Avoid posting URLs that enable Facebook tracking i.e. delete the “?fbclid” and everything following it.

293710 ▶▶▶ CGL, replying to Broken Cornets, 4, #1198 of 1934 🔗

Oh OK – I’m not very technical so wouldn’t have even noticed that tbh

293747 ▶▶▶▶ Ceriain, replying to CGL, 4, #1199 of 1934 🔗

Don’t worry about it; you’re not in IT, you didn’t know. 🙂

Some browsers have built in add-ons that remove trackers in links; you may be using such a browser. Other browsers allow for downloadable add-ons that can remove them.

Trackers are everywhere. They play on the fact that people don’t know what they look like.

293737 ▶▶ CGL, replying to CGL, 3, #1200 of 1934 🔗

https://www.bitchute.com/video/Aa6rJXhdu4SN/ ?

Link without the offending bits

293706 Julian, replying to Julian, 7, #1201 of 1934 🔗

Will crowds or crowded places ever return in the UK and other countries affected by the madness?

I can’t see it happening.

Something to discuss with anyone who believes the coronapanic narrative.

293717 ▶▶ stewart, replying to Julian, 3, #1202 of 1934 🔗

Did the church ever offer a cure for satan or did it demand adherence to its dogma and permanent vigilance as protection?

293723 ▶▶ calchas, replying to Julian, 6, #1203 of 1934 🔗

Don’t worry – this won’t last.

As for crowds – demos and protests wil now greatly increase, once the ‘exit route’ of the vaccine is cut off.

293769 ▶▶▶ Ben, replying to calchas, 5, #1204 of 1934 🔗

I’m not so sure that it won’t last. This is German economist Ernst Wolff back in March describing events as thus: ‘we are witnessing an internationally orchestrated, fascistic finance coup’


293732 ▶▶ bluemoon, replying to Julian, 5, #1205 of 1934 🔗

Don’t you remember the crowded beaches during the summer?

293743 ▶▶▶ Julian, replying to bluemoon, 3, #1206 of 1934 🔗

Maybe you are being ironic – sorry if I have missed this

But the beaches were “busy” – that’s not the same as crowded. By crowd I mean any clump of people who are not from the same household or bubble who are physically close together – either because they want to be (nightclub, pub, football match, gig etc) or because they are forced to (e.g. crowded train). It doesn’t have to be a large number of people – it’s physical closeness with those outside your “bubble”.

293761 ▶▶▶▶ bluemoon, replying to Julian, 4, #1207 of 1934 🔗

Not ironic on this occasion, I know I can be though!
Not exactly nightclub style (I take your point) but in Cornwall the beaches genuinely were crowded, with a lot of muttering from the locals. Who, now we’re in tier 1, are even more afraid.
They seem convinced that this status is due to everybody being extra careful, whereas I point out that it’s because lots of politicians and business leaders have second homes here.

293774 ▶▶▶▶▶ George L, replying to bluemoon, #1208 of 1934 🔗

Yeah.. plus Charlie boy’s got a bit of a stake in the place..

293775 ▶▶▶▶▶ Julian, replying to bluemoon, #1209 of 1934 🔗

I guess I was really meaning any situation where people are not distancing, either voluntarily or due to lack of space. I think the beaches were busy, but people from different groups were probably not less than a metre apart.

293778 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ George L, replying to Julian, 3, #1210 of 1934 🔗

I think its more to do with a lovely lady whistleblower who let it be known a couple of weeks back that there were only 3 people in Treliske ICU, and took a computer screenshot to prove it. The trust grudgingly and angrily had to admit it was true..

293862 ▶▶▶▶ Two-Six, replying to Julian, 1, #1211 of 1934 🔗

If the bastard government dropped the fines and the coercion and the laws on illegal gatherings raves and free parties, just stand back and watch the biggest free party you have ever seen happen right in front of your eyes.

293784 ▶▶ arfurmo, replying to Julian, 1, #1212 of 1934 🔗

I’ve seen pictures of crowds in China and either South Korea or Taiwan (forget which) but don’t know if they really are post March 2020.

293861 ▶▶▶ calchas, replying to arfurmo, #1213 of 1934 🔗

In China certainly – pool parties in Wuhan etc


293790 ▶▶ Ceriain, replying to Julian, 3, #1214 of 1934 🔗

Yes, because eventually the government will run out of excuses to stop it.

Also, I have to believe it will happen, or we really are totally lost.

293992 ▶▶ microdave, replying to Julian, 2, #1215 of 1934 🔗

Will crowds or crowded places ever return in the UK and other countries affected by the madness?

They did in London & Nottingham at the weekend – and the latter was so packed that a Christmas market was shut down…

293714 Cecil B, replying to Cecil B, 2, #1216 of 1934 🔗

So pretty useless is to clamp down on democracy

Bit late for that

293749 ▶▶ stewart, replying to Cecil B, 3, #1217 of 1934 🔗

Only the government gets to trash democracy. Everyone else just has to watch quietly.

293722 Major Panic, 6, #1218 of 1934 🔗

Just listening to this link that someone posted earlier, red hot stuff!!

One for the German lawyer Dr Fuellmich me thinks

I speak with Kevin McKernan about the report he co-authored calling for the retraction of the paper upon which much of the world’s Covid-19 PCR testing is based.


293727 Bella, replying to Bella, 11, #1219 of 1934 🔗

So I see politics are playing a part in excluding potential best political cartoonists of the year. Ironies abound.

293735 ▶▶ Tenchy, replying to Bella, 1, #1220 of 1934 🔗

Have you got a link?

Edit – okay, I see it above.

293734 Danny, replying to Danny, 25, #1221 of 1934 🔗

Here’s a thought.
If enough of us declare ourselves part of a new religion, call it whatever you like, and as part of this religion our belief system dictates that masking a face is a sin, and that a taking vaccines for any disease beginning with the letter C is heresy, and that religion through sheer weight of numbers becomes official in terms of census data etc, then we will be protected under religious tolerance and freedom of expression!

293739 ▶▶ Be Unshakeable, replying to Danny, 7, #1222 of 1934 🔗

If enough of us point out the Bill Of Rights, which is part of the UK consitution, stands as law, then the government can get fucked regardless.

“Constitution? I didn’t know we had a constitution!”

293741 ▶▶ stewart, replying to Danny, 6, #1223 of 1934 🔗

I thought of that too. I’m in. Let me know when you’ve registered the religion (however, that is done…)

293754 ▶▶ DRW, replying to Danny, 3, #1224 of 1934 🔗

Nice idea. Didn’t the courts declare veganism a religion a few years ago? Shark Lives Matter and all that.

293760 ▶▶ Ben, replying to Danny, #1225 of 1934 🔗

The Nazis had a symbol for Jehovas Witnesses, if I remember correctly

293767 ▶▶▶ FenTyger, replying to Ben, 1, #1226 of 1934 🔗

Purple triangle

293772 ▶▶ annie, replying to Danny, 5, #1227 of 1934 🔗

Interesting, but I am still to be a Christian. Trouble is, the Church won’t let me. Non christiani sed covidiani.

293848 ▶▶ Two-Six, replying to Danny, 1, #1228 of 1934 🔗

The use of hand sanitizer should be included in the cardinal sins and also to make weird swearing motions when near people. Punishable by at least 40 lashes

294092 ▶▶ Spikedee1, replying to Danny, #1229 of 1934 🔗

I am sure on of the religions ban the use of medical interventions. They can only be cured by god. Myles Kennedy of Alter Bridge and Slash saw his dad pass away because he refused anti biotics that would have kept him alive.

293750 p02099003, replying to p02099003, 6, #1230 of 1934 🔗

The myth of asymptomatic infection continues https://www.thetimes.co.uk/edition/news/oxford-vaccine-shows-sign-of-giving-herd-immunity-80n3j7kvn
The Oxford vaccine may stop asymptomatic infection in a crucial sign that it could provide herd immunity.

293758 ▶▶ Be Unshakeable, replying to p02099003, 29, #1231 of 1934 🔗

“What are your symptoms?”

“I don’t have any.”

“Here, take this vaccine. Do you have any symptoms now?”

“Er, ….no?”

“Hooray, you’ve been cured by the amazing vaccine!”

293765 ▶▶ Victoria, replying to p02099003, 14, #1232 of 1934 🔗

Asymptomatic transmission is biologically implausible

~ Dr Michael Yeadon ~

293770 ▶▶ leggy, replying to p02099003, 1, #1233 of 1934 🔗

I happened upon a good piece on this asymptomatic transmission woo on AdapNation today.


293771 Ceriain, replying to Ceriain, 25, #1234 of 1934 🔗

What I want to see:

I want to see Handjob on a visit to a hospital watching the oldies getting jabbed.
I want some old boy, or girl, with a bit of attitude to say to Hanjob, “Have you had it yet?””
He will say, “No.”
Old boy, or girl, stands up and says, “Okay, you go first! I’ll get the next one…

“…and you have to take the one she (the nurse) has in her hand right now!”

293788 ▶▶ AnotherSceptic, replying to Ceriain, 16, #1235 of 1934 🔗

I would like to see Wankcock being punched hard in the face & about his head.

293850 ▶▶▶ Fingerache Philip., replying to AnotherSceptic, 4, #1236 of 1934 🔗


293892 ▶▶▶▶ annie, replying to Fingerache Philip., 2, #1237 of 1934 🔗

Every morning before breakfast.

293909 ▶▶▶ Laura Suckling, replying to AnotherSceptic, 3, #1238 of 1934 🔗

He has a face (as does Piers Morgan) that I would never tire of punching.

293792 ▶▶ Nobody2020, replying to Ceriain, 5, #1239 of 1934 🔗

All I see is innuendo in what you wrote 😀

293865 ▶▶▶ Ceriain, replying to Nobody2020, #1240 of 1934 🔗

Yeah, just seen the Carry On sketch in there. Oh Matron!

293820 ▶▶ stewart, replying to Ceriain, 4, #1241 of 1934 🔗

Ministers and MPs are gallantly standing aside and letting the “vulnerable” who need it most go first,

294010 ▶▶ dhid, replying to Ceriain, 2, #1242 of 1934 🔗

What no devastating kick in the bollocks yet?

293779 swedenborg, replying to swedenborg, 3, #1243 of 1934 🔗


This is the Pfizer protocol to be discussed FDA in the US tomorrow.Uploaded here with all details of the trials.Interesting to see if the UK incidents yesterday with anaphylactoid reaction in two nurses and the regulatory body MHRA already issuing a warning,if these matters would influence anything in the FDA assessment, most likely not.

293783 ▶▶ swedenborg, replying to swedenborg, 1, #1244 of 1934 🔗

Found this in the Pfizer protocl interesting
After either BNT162b2 dose, no participant reported an immediate allergic reaction to vaccine.

293903 ▶▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to swedenborg, #1245 of 1934 🔗

What luck.

293953 ▶▶▶ Kevin 2, replying to swedenborg, #1246 of 1934 🔗

“In the US vaccine trial carried out by Pfizer, 137 out of around 19,000 people given the vaccine had one or more of these reactions. But 111 who got the placebo also had allergic reactions.”


293954 ▶▶▶▶ Kevin 2, replying to Kevin 2, #1247 of 1934 🔗

Which is about 1 in 150.
And the trial excluded those with a known history of allergic reaction….

294291 ▶▶▶▶ swedenborg, replying to Kevin 2, #1248 of 1934 🔗

Yes but that is later allergic reaction.But as above in the massvaccination in the trial not a SINGLE immediate reaction,which are potentially much more serious.And the the first day outside trial this happens with this vaccine.

293871 ▶▶ Kevin 2, replying to swedenborg, #1249 of 1934 🔗

Actually, I think this will slow down the FDA.

They will allow the MHRA to take the (rightful) flak.

293787 Victoria, replying to Victoria, 10, #1250 of 1934 🔗

5 Questions about the coronavirus vaccine that should scare everyone
The United Kingdom has announced its approval of the Pfizer coronavirus vaccine. The U.S. is expected to approve a vaccine within weeks, as well.

The U.K.’s government-produced safety instructions indicate that the vaccine should not be used by pregnant or breastfeeding mothers, that it is unknown what effect the COVID-19 mRNA will have on fertility, and “women of childbearing age should be advised to avoid pregnancy for at least 2 months after their second dose.”

In light of the fact that despots around the world have suggested, some using stronger language than others, that their citizenries will be forcibly vaccinated, or that there should or will be penalties for not receiving the vaccine, one wonders:

  1. What happens if a woman receives the vaccine and does become pregnant within two months of receiving it? Will she be pressured to abort her child? What impact would such a vaccine have on the baby?
  2. Will “women of childbearing age” be pressured — or even forced — to go on birth control or forgo pregnancy in order to receive the vaccine, which has been touted as the all-important key to “going back to normal”? In what world would it be considered just or fair to tell women they mustn’t become pregnant so they can receive an optional medical intervention — which has no shortage of side effects and risks — for a disease the vast majority of people survive?
  3. Will new mothers be pressured to forgo breastfeeding so they can be vaccinated?
  4. Will Catholic bishops tell women they ought to forgo pregnancy so they can be vaccinated? The Catholic bishops of California say they are committed “to promoting and encouraging COVID-19 vaccinations in the communities we serve.” If they will tell women to forgo childbearing, at least temporarily, so they can receive the shot, how will that be squared with Church teaching that children are the primary end of marriage and contraception is intrinsically evil?
  5. According to the U.K. government’s guidelines, which will presumably be similar to Pfizer vaccine guidances in other countries, pregnant women shouldn’t receive the shot. Will unvaccinated pregnant women be discriminated against because of this, and denied access to airlines and other spaces?


293817 ▶▶ Janice21, replying to Victoria, 5, #1251 of 1934 🔗

I am a member of a private breastfeeding group on Facebook as I am coming to the end of breastfeeding my daughter. A lot of concerned mothers on there and we are still waiting to hear what the BF Co-Ordinator (who is also a midwife) has to say about this.
The majority of breastfeeding mothers are a force to be reckoned with so they will not be happy at all.

293833 ▶▶▶ Victoria, replying to Janice21, 3, #1252 of 1934 🔗

Would be interesting to see if the BF Co-ordinator will follow the Hancock / NHS official line and say the vaccine is safe. You will be doing your duty to your country

293916 ▶▶▶ OKUK, replying to Janice21, 2, #1253 of 1934 🔗

Sorry to say I wouldn’t trust advice from the midwife – she won’t be an expert in immunology, vaccination or allergies and us part if an information hierarchy.

293883 ▶▶ Kevin 2, replying to Victoria, 8, #1254 of 1934 🔗

It is absolutely shocking that the Govt themselves state:-

“It is unknown whether COVID-19 mRNA Vaccine BNT162b2 has an impact on fertility,”

The BBC and all the mainstream media should be shouting this from the rooftops.

293917 ▶▶▶ OKUK, replying to Kevin 2, 2, #1255 of 1934 🔗


293797 Victoria, replying to Victoria, 6, #1256 of 1934 🔗

Facebook whistleblower reveals “Fact checkers” trained to censor conservatives exclusively

293857 ▶▶ Julian, replying to Victoria, #1257 of 1934 🔗

Good that the story is coming out but we didn’t need a whistleblower to work that out

293799 Cheezilla, replying to Cheezilla, 1, #1258 of 1934 🔗

Has anyone posted this analysis of the vaccinations press videos?


What are your thoughts??

293945 ▶▶ Dodderydude, replying to Cheezilla, 1, #1259 of 1934 🔗

Certainly food for thought, especially regarding vaccination technique. My own personal observation is that Margaret Keenan certainly looks and sounds pretty amazing for someone who will purportedly be 91 in a couple of days. Her smooth fleshy arms certainly bely her age. With no disrespect, most 91 year olds have scrawny, leathery arms. Quotes attributed to her afterwards also seemed unnatural.

I am also puzzled about the background to William Shakespeare (the second vaccine recipient). My point is that, from what I have seen, there is absolutely no background information to be had on him. Usually – as with ‘Margaret’ – there would be some human interest information about where he lived, family or previous employment…but there is absolutely nothing. And why was he wearing a hospital gown rather than casual outdoor clothing? Surely they didn’t select someone already in hospital as a patient but, if so, wouldn’t that have been worthy of mention in any news coverage?

294091 ▶▶ stefarm, replying to Cheezilla, #1260 of 1934 🔗

It’s an act. Staged for the plebs

293800 mattghg, replying to mattghg, 13, #1261 of 1934 🔗

Get a load of this lamentable propaganda from the BBC:

Covid vaccine: What you need to know about vaccine safety

One in 1,000 people in the UK have already died after being infected with coronavirus during the pandemic. This is the known threat from the disease that any risks have to be balanced against.

First of all that doesn’t mean that anything like that many people died of coronavirus. Secondly, those people overwhelmingly belonged to identifiable at-risk groups. The ‘threat’ to me from coronavirus is miniscule.

Regulators make the assessment based on far more data than has been made publicly available, much of which has been in the form of press releases.

There will be nowhere to hide – if there are safety concerns then the regulators will see them.

Companies have to hand over data from laboratory studies, animal studies, the phase one safety trials, the phase two dosing trials and the large phase three “does it work?” trials.

But these vaccines haven’t undergone animal studies, have they? And the Phase III trials aren’t finished yet, are they?

“The MHRA are very experienced, we can be reassured if the regulator says the benefits clearly outweigh the risks, that should be the end of it really,” says Dr Penny Ward, from King’s College London and the Faculty of Pharmaceutical Medicine.

You mean, like with Tamiflu ? Give me a break!

293806 ▶▶ OKUK, replying to mattghg, 3, #1262 of 1934 🔗

Yes and one of the at risk groups is “those about to pop their clogs any day now”!

293816 ▶▶▶ mattghg, replying to OKUK, 1, #1263 of 1934 🔗

Yes, that certainly is risky…

293808 ▶▶ Be Unshakeable, replying to mattghg, 13, #1264 of 1934 🔗

Visiting the British Bullshit Corporation website is like jumping into a sewer. If the stench upsets you, you’ve only got yourself to blame.

293829 ▶▶▶ Two-Six, replying to Be Unshakeable, 3, #1265 of 1934 🔗

A sewer with all covid filled jonnies and used face nappies floating about in it.
And used needles

293908 ▶▶▶▶ Be Unshakeable, replying to Two-Six, 2, #1266 of 1934 🔗

Watchout for the Bojo fatberg.

294018 ▶▶ Richard Pinch, replying to mattghg, 2, #1267 of 1934 🔗

One in 1,000 people in the UK have already died after being infected with coronavirus during the pandemic.

If that were true, with 50,000 deaths there would have been 50million infections: pretty much the whole population. So herd immunity, hooray!

294110 ▶▶▶ mattghg, replying to Richard Pinch, #1268 of 1934 🔗

To be fair that’s not what he means; he means that 1/1000 of the UK population have already [died after being infected with coronavirus].

293803 OKUK, replying to OKUK, 8, #1269 of 1934 🔗

BBC News Fibsite…

Yes they do cover the Covid vaccine allergy story but under the Health tag NOT under the Coronavirus tag, where most people will be heading these days (full of vaxophile propaganda) and they’re keeping it off the front page when I looked.

293856 ▶▶ Ceriain, replying to OKUK, 2, #1270 of 1934 🔗

That’s a great spot; it’s not on the Coronavirus page. Sneaky bastards!

It is on the front page, little window at the side of the Brexit story.

293919 ▶▶▶ OKUK, replying to Ceriain, 1, #1271 of 1934 🔗

Oh right. I must have missed it before.

293947 ▶▶▶▶ Ceriain, replying to OKUK, 1, #1272 of 1934 🔗

Not necessarily. Don’t doubt yourself. 😉

They have a history of things appearing and disappearing very quickly.

293805 Victoria, replying to Victoria, 13, #1273 of 1934 🔗

Vaccine COVID = Irreversible genetic damage – A crime against humanity

Dear patients, after an unprecedented mRNA vaccine, you will no longer be able to treat the vaccine symptoms in a complementary way. They will have to live with the consequences, because they can no longer be cured simply by removing toxins from the human body, just as a person with a genetic defect like Down syndrome, Klinefelter syndrome, Turner syndrome, genetic cardiac arrest, hemophilia, cystic fibrosis, Rett syndrome, etc.), because the genetic defect is forever!

This means clearly: if a vaccination symptom develops after an mRNA vaccination, neither I nor any other therapist can help you, because the damage caused by the vaccination will be genetically irreversible. In my opinion, these new vaccines represent a crime against humanity that has never been committed in such a big way in history. As Dr. Wolfgang Wodarg, an experienced doctor, said: In fact, this “promising vaccine” for the vast majority of people should be FORBIDDEN, because it is genetic manipulation! ”


293867 ▶▶ Lisa (formerly) from Toronto, replying to Victoria, 3, #1274 of 1934 🔗

This is so important to understand. One of my friends who is actually on the same page about all this insanity did, however, say she’d take the vaccine if it meant she’d be free to travel. As a holistic nutritionist she feels she can take certain supplements (or who knows what) that will protect her from side effects. To be fair, she said this many months ago before she necessarily knew the vaccine would be of the mRNA variety. I’ll be interested to know whether she still feels the same way about it.

293898 ▶▶▶ Victoria, replying to Lisa (formerly) from Toronto, 3, #1275 of 1934 🔗

before she necessarily knew the vaccine would be of the mRNA variety.

You can ‘detox’ other vaccines but not the RNA vaccine

293812 Nick Rose, replying to Nick Rose, 3, #1276 of 1934 🔗
293826 ▶▶ Ceriain, replying to Nick Rose, 11, #1277 of 1934 🔗

“The data provided supports favorably the efficacy of Pfizer-BioNTech COVID-19 Vaccine as well as its safety. The efficacy of the vaccine was established to be approximately 95 per cent, the vaccine was well
tolerated by participants and has no important safety concerns ,” the notice continued.

On the same day that 2 people suffer an extreme allergic reaction to it in the UK.

293859 ▶▶ Lisa (formerly) from Toronto, replying to Nick Rose, 11, #1278 of 1934 🔗

Yeah Canada…NOT! Now we have the fight of our lives ahead as our provincial public health officer is already talking about the necessity of proof of vaccination to live life normally. This IS the hill I will die on.

293813 Victoria, 9, #1279 of 1934 🔗

The new mRNA coronavirus vaccines will likely cause immune cells to attack placenta cells, causing female infertility, miscarriage or birth defects


293815 Paul, replying to Paul, 22, #1280 of 1934 🔗

My brother is an Undertaker,he has told me that anyone who is recorded as dying of Covid or suspected Covid is placed in a body bag and then put in a sealed coffin and no preparation of the body is allowed,meaning any last requests such as which clothes to be dressed in or specific religious acts to be performed are not done.
I stand to be corrected on this,It was a quick conversation I had and I may have got the wrong end of the stick but if it is true it goes against the ‘dealing with the dead with dignity’ that my MP goes on about.

293822 ▶▶ Janice21, replying to Paul, 6, #1281 of 1934 🔗

Thats awful, I hadn’t heard or thought about this. So bad.

293840 ▶▶ calchas, replying to Paul, 10, #1282 of 1934 🔗

Dignity has been removed from the living – in the care homes..

Why not from the dead.

293843 ▶▶ leggy, replying to Paul, 8, #1283 of 1934 🔗

Terrible. I heard similar from a friend who knows an undertaker. Also heard that they’re seeing excessive 30-40 year old males as a result of suicide, but that’s anecdotal.

293852 ▶▶ mjr, replying to Paul, 5, #1284 of 1934 🔗

that sounds like the instructions for Ebola!! just been l ooking at the regulations and it looks like normal treatment but with special care as covid is treated as a notifiable disease (so wear PPE etc) . However that doesnt mean that unscrupulous undertakers wont use it as an excuse to cut corners . This guidance applies all the way through the process with anyone coming into contact with the deceased

293864 ▶▶ Liam, replying to Paul, 3, #1285 of 1934 🔗

God in heaven, it’s like the horrible scene in Chernobyl when they bury the dead firemen in lead coffins and pour concrete over the mass grave.

293872 ▶▶ muzzle, replying to Paul, #1286 of 1934 🔗

That’s a shame. All those minerals that need to return to the ground, trapped in a bag forever.

293887 ▶▶ Richard Pinch, replying to Paul, 1, #1287 of 1934 🔗
293835 kh1485, replying to kh1485, 18, #1288 of 1934 🔗

I’ve just read a piece in Sarah Vine’s column and I’m not sure if she is taking the piss (I suspect not) but she has said:

” …one man who deserves a break is Matt Hancock who broke down in tears yesterday morning on TV…. If anyone deserves a round of applause … it’s Hancock”

Watch again Sarah, I don’t think they were real tears.

293841 ▶▶ Victoria, replying to kh1485, 4, #1289 of 1934 🔗

Uggh! Gove’s chum

293845 ▶▶▶ kh1485, replying to Victoria, 3, #1290 of 1934 🔗

I know, don’t judge, needed a bit of froth to escape the misery for a bit!

293944 ▶▶▶▶ Ceriain, replying to kh1485, 1, #1291 of 1934 🔗

needed a bit of froth

Then find a nice café and have a cappucino; any nice caffs round your way, k? 😉

293958 ▶▶▶▶▶ kh1485, replying to Ceriain, 1, #1292 of 1934 🔗

LOL. Obviously, still got work on my mind!

293866 ▶▶ mjr, replying to kh1485, 10, #1293 of 1934 🔗

Sarah Vine = Mrs Gove. This is the problem with politics and the media .. They are all interbred . So we get the equivalent of a sheep with two heads
and i think we probably lose a little of the independent objectivity that we would usually expect

293879 ▶▶▶ kh1485, replying to mjr, 4, #1294 of 1934 🔗

I know. Sometimes though, she does slag off the government so I was surprised that she would suggest that that woeful performance was in any way genuine.

293911 ▶▶▶▶ Nobody2020, replying to kh1485, 4, #1295 of 1934 🔗

Maybe she’s setting Hancock up to be stabbed in the back by her husband.

293984 ▶▶▶▶▶ microdave, replying to Nobody2020, 2, #1296 of 1934 🔗

Maybe she’s setting Hancock up to be stabbed in the back by her husband

I wish the two of them would arrange a mutual back-stabbing session

293877 ▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to kh1485, 7, #1297 of 1934 🔗

Matt Hancock deserves a break all right, but not the sort that Vine suggests…

293884 ▶▶▶ annie, replying to Nick Rose, 6, #1298 of 1934 🔗


293906 ▶▶▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to annie, 6, #1299 of 1934 🔗


293941 ▶▶ Ceriain, replying to kh1485, 2, #1300 of 1934 🔗

real tears

Nope, they were…

293990 ▶▶▶ Mabel Cow, replying to Ceriain, 2, #1301 of 1934 🔗

You bugger, I actually went to Wikipedia to check if this page existed. 😀

You have weaponized Notepad.

294427 ▶▶▶▶ Ceriain, replying to Mabel Cow, #1302 of 1934 🔗

No, I just edit the pages in developer mode in the browser and then grab a snapshot. 😉

You’re not the only techie around here, you know, Mabel 😉 😀

By the way, thanks for adding the PCR document to Pansception; you’re a diamond.

293836 Victoria, 8, #1303 of 1934 🔗

Good news! The following petition now has 313,285 signatures

Prevent any restrictions on those who refuse a Covid-19 vaccination

293837 Ceriain, replying to Ceriain, 5, #1304 of 1934 🔗

DT live feed:

UK regulators have issued a warning that people who have a history of “ significant ” allergic reactions should not currently receive the Pfizer/BioNTech Covid-19 vaccine after two NHS staff members who had the jab suffered allergic reactions.

How do they define ‘ significant’ ?

I have quite violent allergic reactions to certain foodstuffs; I don’t need an epipen to fix that, but have to urgently be treated with a combination of steroids (injected) and antibiotics. Is that significant enough?

They should stop the rollout and urgently investigate this ASAP in my opinion. What will they do when someone dies?

293853 ▶▶ Lisa (formerly) from Toronto, replying to Ceriain, 12, #1305 of 1934 🔗

They won’t do anything when someone dies. They’ll deflect blame and say it was a “coincidence” (far too many of those this year) or they’ll say some people will have to suffer and die for the good of the collective. Vaccines are unavoidably unsafe for some people and that has been admitted by the manufacturers, hence their blanket immunity. Bottom line: if you’re vaccine injured you’ll be lucky if you get any compensation years later, and that’s by no means a certainty so you’re pretty much on your own.

293858 ▶▶▶ Alan P, replying to Lisa (formerly) from Toronto, 6, #1306 of 1934 🔗

But if it saves just one life…….

293939 ▶▶▶ Ceriain, replying to Lisa (formerly) from Toronto, #1307 of 1934 🔗

Yup, sounds about right, Lisa. 🙁

293890 ▶▶ Victoria, replying to Ceriain, 2, #1308 of 1934 🔗

There is always a first significant reaction – this might be your first grannie

293838 stewart, replying to stewart, 19, #1309 of 1934 🔗

The harder they sell the vaccine the more suspicious it is.

If it really worked and was truly life saving, they could just put it out there and say:

Here it is folks, we’ve provided you with a safe vaccine to protect you. It’s up to you now. You can lead a horse to water but you can’t make him drink. If you all don’t want to take something that’s perfectly safe and might save your life, well that’s on you now.

THAT would convince people.

293846 ▶▶ watashi, replying to stewart, 1, #1310 of 1934 🔗

hear hear

293855 ▶▶ stefarm, replying to stewart, 6, #1311 of 1934 🔗

It’s all pretend – a tool to keep us scared, compliant and to make us physically and mentally ill. Destroy us mentally to rebuild society. Have to destroy something to rebuild.

294068 ▶▶ Spikedee1, replying to stewart, 1, #1312 of 1934 🔗

Or even better get The chuckle brothers on tv to give us the reasons why we should have a vaccine and then let Dolores Cahill and Mike Yeardon or Dr Lee be allowed to challenge your data and give an opposing view. Then we can make our own mind up. I think it’s called debate. Oh I am such a radical.

293889 ▶▶ Victoria, replying to microdave, 11, #1314 of 1934 🔗

Ahh they never even considered the unintended consequences….

Easy to fix! Stop the mask charade

293910 ▶▶▶ Darryl, replying to Victoria, 2, #1315 of 1934 🔗

Got a feeling they are well aware of the consequences, it helpfully feeds into their environmental / man made climate change narrative.

The Great Reset promotion / programming video features disregarded masks – great for propaganda purposes.

293904 ▶▶ Nobody2020, replying to microdave, 5, #1316 of 1934 🔗

Simply carry your grocery shopping home in your face mask.

2 birds one stone and all that.

293913 ▶▶ Schrodinger, replying to microdave, 9, #1317 of 1934 🔗

And if they were all full of the ‘deadly’ virus shouldn’t they be being disposed of in a bio-hazard bin and being incinerated? Or are masks just some sort of viral black hole from whence the virus cannot escape (even when slung in a dirty car ashtray)?

293956 ▶▶▶ microdave, replying to Schrodinger, 3, #1318 of 1934 🔗

Shouldn’t they be being disposed of in a bio-hazard bin and being incinerated?

Exactly, and the perfect example of why the masks mandate is bollocks…

293914 ▶▶ Be Unshakeable, replying to microdave, 3, #1319 of 1934 🔗

How terrible. We must take action. I’m boycotting masks immediately.

293937 ▶▶ Ceriain, replying to microdave, 1, #1320 of 1934 🔗

That’s about 260-280 masks per person; 5 masks a week. Do they really believe everyone out there is changing their masks all the time? I doubt it.

Nice money maker for the Chinks, though.

293873 davews, replying to davews, 17, #1321 of 1934 🔗

Day out in London to the Tower of London today. Quite pleasant and certainly quiet – I gather there is usually a long queue to get into the jewels, today it was just walk in, no queues anywhere. Masks were supposed to be worn in the inside bits but most of those had no staff in attendance. I expected security at the jewels to question my lack of mask but it seems the lanyard did the job. Similarly on the train when the guard started to ask me where the mask was, noticed my lanyard and apologised. Some are reluctant to wear lanyards but I find it just stops people asking and saves hassle.

Lunch in one of the pubs near London Bridge. Again no issue with mask. When I said I didn’t have the NHS App (ie no phone) she proceeded to feed my details into the T&T app on her phone so that seem an option. I hope she misheard my phone number… Again pretty quiet, quite a few in the outside seating but inside just a few of us. I can see why the pubs are struggling. But sat in there it was worrying to see how many walking along the south bank were muzzled up, the rot has set in.

294143 ▶▶ Edward, replying to davews, #1322 of 1934 🔗

I was looking for a comment to hang mine on to, this looks like a reasonable one. In the street this afternoon, not particularly near shops, someone was approaching masked up the eyeballs and hatted down to them. I did my satirical “gloved hands completely covering my face” thing but obviously I’ve no idea how she reacted. (Gloves for the cold weather).

Further on, a street mainly of restaurants, all closed (this is tier 3) apart from some of the more downmarket places doing takeaway. Normally this would be their busiest time of the year. Never mind all the furlough and bounce-back-loan stuff (which we’ll all pay for eventually), a lot of these places are unlikely to reopen.

294172 ▶▶▶ davews, replying to Edward, #1323 of 1934 🔗

I noticed today that the Waterloo station Carluccios is now boarded up and due to become a New Look next year. Natural Kitchen next door has not reopened since the first lockdown. If places like that can’t survive at a mainline train station there is no hope.

293874 A. Contrarian, replying to A. Contrarian, 30, #1324 of 1934 🔗

Look at this in the Spectator, re. allergic reactions to the vaccine:

Firstly, in the coming weeks and months, we are going to suffer from the most severe form of what is known as ‘observer bias’. We are only going to note and report on possible adverse events, and not the hundreds or thousands of unremarkable vaccinations. These would make boring news stories. Headlines of ‘Another person vaccinated – nothing happened’ are probably not going to work as click-bait.

As a result, this coverage will create a false impression of significant problems when, in fact, we are talking about rare events.

Hmm, a bit like we’ve seen for the last 9 months for Covid, you mean? Let’s rewrite it:

Firstly, in the coming weeks and months, we are going to suffer from the most severe form of what is known as ‘observer bias’. We are only going to note and report on the rare serious illnesses, and not the hundreds or thousands of unremarkable infections. These would make boring news stories. Headlines of ‘Another person tested positive – nothing happened’ are probably not going to work as click-bait.

As a result, this coverage will create a false impression of significant problems when, in fact, we are talking about rare events.

293885 ▶▶ Victoria, replying to A. Contrarian, 2, #1325 of 1934 🔗

Suffering or dying for the greater good!

Oh, you didn’t think it was going to be your mother? [Sad face emoji]

293893 ▶▶ Be Unshakeable, replying to A. Contrarian, 9, #1326 of 1934 🔗

More fucking bullwank media. Why bother wasting your life on their horseshit?

293899 ▶▶ Darryl, replying to A. Contrarian, 7, #1327 of 1934 🔗

Every publication getting in line with their propaganda pieces to aid the government cause. I expect near silence on any adverse reactions, the script has already been written for the media months ago, this is the miracle cure and anyone who says otherwise will be a target of the BBC’s ‘misinformation reporters’.

Absolutely no objectivity from the media since February only sensational scare stories.

293920 ▶▶▶ stefarm, replying to Darryl, 7, #1328 of 1934 🔗

It’s all scripted, experts hiding behind masks and acting using zoom. There have been no face to face interviews or debates at all. If there were the plandemic would of lasted for 5 minutes.

The MSM, WHO, Spi-B, UK Government, SAGE, Facebook, Twitter etc have been given free reign to have us over. A wonderful exhibition of re-programming people.

I get pissed off with the sheople who are swallowing this crap but taking a step back it is fascinating.

UK Column today were discussing a script issued by WHO instructing experts how to dis-credit ‘anti-vaxxers’, incredible how everybody is being manipulated. Well worth a watch.

293933 ▶▶▶▶ awildgoose, replying to stefarm, 6, #1329 of 1934 🔗

Go on YouTube and search for, “crisis actors.”

The result will be a myriad of hysterical clips from official sources declaring crisis actors, “a mere conspiracy theory!?!”

Thus, one can only conclude the media is using nothing but crisis actors, all the way down.

293962 ▶▶▶▶▶ stefarm, replying to awildgoose, 1, #1330 of 1934 🔗

Damn right.

294085 ▶▶▶▶▶ stefarm, replying to awildgoose, 1, #1331 of 1934 🔗

Although TBF handcock couldn’t act his way out of a paper bag

293980 ▶▶▶ microdave, replying to Darryl, 1, #1332 of 1934 🔗

I expect near silence on any adverse reactions

Not quite – the Mail’s front page this morning was praising the Vaccine “Heroes”, who were first to take the jab yesterday. Yet this morning:

Calls for calm over Pfizer vaccine roll-out after two NHS staff suffer ‘anaphylactoid reaction

I don’t think they will just leave it at that:

Have you or someone you know suffered a reaction to the jab? Email James.Gant@mailonline.co.uk

293900 ▶▶ annie, replying to A. Contrarian, 3, #1333 of 1934 🔗

A covviedeath is a fantastically rare event, but that doesn’t stop them squalling about it.

293918 ▶▶ Ceriain, replying to A. Contrarian, 6, #1334 of 1934 🔗

He puts this bit:

the general risk of serious anaphylaxis with vaccines is probably less than two in a million vaccinations.

On the day when we get 2 reaction with nowhere near a million jabbed. He then tries to cover his arse by saying:

That is not to say that these specific vaccines might not have higher rates, but it puts things in perspective .

Bollocks! It does not; not when events have already blown that out of the water.

293875 Major Panic, replying to Major Panic, 30, #1335 of 1934 🔗

so… any vaccinated ederly person nearing end of life who dies will have died of old age,

but… any not yet vaccinated elderly person nearing end of life who dies will be another covid victim

293882 ▶▶ Darryl, replying to Major Panic, 10, #1336 of 1934 🔗

So obvious, yet so few see this, completely brainwashed.

293897 ▶▶ Be Unshakeable, replying to Major Panic, 2, #1337 of 1934 🔗

Pretty much.

293923 ▶▶ Ceriain, replying to Major Panic, 12, #1338 of 1934 🔗

Mrs C and I were just discussing this about no-one dying of old-age anymore. I’m sure Kendrick said this in an interview as well. All deaths are either of covid, or suspected covid.

With the vaccine here, people can now die of old-age again; you’re right. 🙁

293982 ▶▶▶ Richard Pinch, replying to Ceriain, #1339 of 1934 🔗

Guidance for doctors completing Medical Certificates of Cause of Death in England and Wales at 4.3 reads

4.3 Avoid ‘old age’ alone

Old age, ‘senility’ or ‘frailty of old age’ should only be given as the sole cause of death in very limited circumstances. These are that:

• You have personally cared for the deceased over a long period (years, or many months)

• You have observed a gradual decline in your patient’s general health and functioning

• You are not aware of any identifiable disease or injury that contributed to the death

• You are certain that there is no reason that the death should be reported to the coroner

You may mention old age or frailty as a contributory cause, especially if it explains the severe effect of a condition that is not usually fatal. If the immediate cause of death was Covid-19 or its consequences, and the patient had no specific pre-existing health conditions, but appears to have been especially vulnerable to Covid-19 or its effects because of old age or frailty, it is appropriate to state old age or frailty as contributing to the death.

294041 ▶▶▶▶ Ceriain, replying to Richard Pinch, #1340 of 1934 🔗

Nice try, Richard, but you know fine well what I mean. I never said old age on its own; old age is a perfectly acceptable underlying cause of death.

Ia. 1Pathological fractures of femoral neck and thoracic vertebrae
Ib. Severe osteoporosis
Ic. Old age

Ia. Hypostatic pneumonia
Ib. Dementia
Ic. Old age

294094 ▶▶▶▶▶ Richard Pinch, replying to Ceriain, #1341 of 1934 🔗

It’s surprising that people expect me to read their minds but I suppose that’s balanced by the flattering assumption that I can actually do so, then again counter-balanced by the belief that I’m only pretending not to be able to.

There’s a bit of a trope in certain circles, well represented on this site, that Covid, to take as example, isn’t “really” the cause of death unless it’s the only thing mentioned on the death certificate. I’m glad to see that you’re rejecting that fallacious view.

293925 ▶▶ awildgoose, replying to Major Panic, 5, #1342 of 1934 🔗

For the oldies murdered by vax, the media will simply go:

“So sad, but clearly it was their time.


293891 Major Panic, replying to Major Panic, 10, #1343 of 1934 🔗

if the vaccines have been judged on effectiveness with the use of PCR tests (cycles?)

what happens if the way the PCR test is being used is discreddited?

293963 ▶▶ DocRC, replying to Major Panic, 2, #1344 of 1934 🔗

a load of hokum is the phrase that springs to mind! The Pfizer vaccine’s reported efficacy was based on 94 “cases” of Covid in 45,000 odd trial participants. They don’t say but one assumed that most of these were in the vaccinated group. We know it’s likely that most of them were false positives. Ergo placebo with possible nasty side effects. After you Matt….

293973 ▶▶ Charlie Blue, replying to Major Panic, 1, #1345 of 1934 🔗

That won’t be allowed to happen

293895 Harry hopkins, 22, #1346 of 1934 🔗

There was a time when used car con artists, double glazing cowboys and fitted kitchen companies were seen as the dog end of sales. Not any more! If ever there was a product that was unfit for purpose, dangerous in the extreme, a complete waste of OUR money and sold with an enthusiasm that eclipses by a country mile the despicable practices of ‘mis selling’ of useless policies by the banking industry it is the governments attempts to sell the Covid vaccine.

This may not be a popular opinion on here but this vaccine roll out could well be a water shed moment in this whole scamdemic and could well make the whole house of cards come tumbling down.

293907 vargas99, replying to vargas99, #1347 of 1934 🔗

It is reported today that total “cases” are now 1,766,819 and deaths involving Covid 19 78,000. That would imply an IFR of 4.4%. Imperial College stated in late October that the IFR was 1.15% in high income countries – 20,318 deaths. Am I missing something?

293924 ▶▶ Richard Pinch, replying to vargas99, 2, #1348 of 1934 🔗

Yes. Here, “cases” means positive test results. Not everyone infected with Covid has taken a test, let along had a positive test result — and not every positive test result corresponds to an infection. So “cases” at 1,766,819 bears no direct relation to the total number of infections.

293940 ▶▶▶ Felice, replying to Richard Pinch, 2, #1349 of 1934 🔗

Hi Richard, nice to bump into you again.

This use of positive test results to calculate the IFR is one of my pet hates. I’ve had people tell me that the IFR back in the spring was 17%, and they seriously believed that figure was correct. They’ve got it by using the official statistics which were from a time when no-one could get a test. If the IFR really was 17%….
Have you bothered to use the official stats from much more recently when there has been more testing to try and obtain a more probable IFR?

293971 ▶▶▶▶ Richard Pinch, replying to Felice, 1, #1350 of 1934 🔗

Well, since you ask. Week ending 20 November had 2,627 deaths involving Covid with 2,361 as underlying cause. Taking a four week lag, we compare with the week ending 23 October when there were an estimated 568,100 infections. That’s an IFR of around 0.5%

293978 ▶▶▶▶▶ Julian, replying to Richard Pinch, 1, #1351 of 1934 🔗

0.5% sounds scary but the unknown is how many people who are exposed never become infected

Wouldn’t you really need the Population Fatality Rate if were assessing the threat posed by a given virus?

294079 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ charleyfarley, replying to Julian, 1, #1352 of 1934 🔗


294029 ▶▶▶▶▶ mjr, replying to Richard Pinch, 1, #1353 of 1934 🔗

but only around 1% of those deaths are people under 60 (e.g 326 deaths 19/11 of which 21 age<60). which does put a different perspective of what the IFR is for the general population . i.e. for someone under 60 IFR is 0.005%

294130 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Richard Pinch, replying to mjr, #1354 of 1934 🔗

People over 60 aren’t part of the general population, then?

294214 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ mjr, replying to Richard Pinch, #1355 of 1934 🔗

of course .. but we already know that those over 60 are at greater risk (as do many of the over 60s themselves. However those under 60 are at little risk but the general use of the 0.5% IFR and the scare tactics of the MSM make the under 60s equally scared and believing that COVID is dangerous to them .. which it aint

294342 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Richard Pinch, replying to mjr, #1356 of 1934 🔗

This is an example of a non-uncommon reaction. “The IFR is X%”. “Ah yes, but for the under 60s it’s only Y%”. Well, yes. But so what? Why not say “The IFR is X%”. “Yes, and for the over 60s it’s as much as Z%”. What do you want to use those figures, and that rhetorical flourish, for?

The question on the table was to estimate the IFR. If we assume that for the population at large it’s currently 0.5%, but for those under 60 it’s say 0.05% and for those over 60 it’s say 5% (both figures very rough) then so what? What do we do with that?

Obviously some people want to believe, or persuade others, that Covid is somehow much less serious that is commonly believed. So they look for figures that seem reassuringly small, by focussing on groups for which the risk is low. But that comes at the expense of giving the impression (perhaps unfairly) that the groups for which the risk is high are somehow less important.

Now if you want to say that the over 60s are less important than the under 60s, so the risk to them is less worthy of attention, then that’s a logically sound position, if not one calculated to win friends, especially among the over 60s.

293931 ▶▶ Harry hopkins, replying to vargas99, 11, #1357 of 1934 🔗

You are missing the fact that Covid 19 has never been isolated and proven to exist in its own right. You are missing that the PCR test is worse than useless. The vaccine is a witches brew of we know not what and that total mortality rates are running at seasonal norms for the last five years. Any ficticious numbers of so called Covid deaths are cancelled out by the now non existence of seasonal flu. What the government cannot do is fiddle the MORTALITY rates.

But I suppose that what you are really missing is the fact that by engaging with the numbers game and trying to make sense of all the bollocks put out by the government you are wasting your time and energy. They make numbers up by the day, have done from the start and change them to suit. We are living through a great scam and acceptance of this and the realisation that taking any of their numbers with anything other than a huge pinch of salt is of no use whatsoever.

293935 ▶▶ OKUK, replying to vargas99, 4, #1358 of 1934 🔗

Those will be formally identified cases (often wrongly so) but millions more will genuinely have been infected and had just mild symptoms or no symptoms they even noticed. My own view, I think also Yeadon’s, is that we are the tens of millions range, maybe 45 million. So the IFR is probably nearer the 0.2% area.

293951 ▶▶ DocRC, replying to vargas99, 1, #1359 of 1934 🔗

IFR means the infection fatality ratio i.e the percentage of people who contract the virus that die of it. The unknown is the number who have contracted it (remember most people have no or very mild symptoms). And the number of “Covid deaths” is a wild overestimation (anyone testing positive is recorded as a Covid death regardless of the underlying cause of death). Dr John Ioannidis the US Epidemiologist has done a review of all the published papers and thinks the IFR is around 0.26% overall and 0.05% for those under 70 with no underlying medical conditions!

293921 George L, 5, #1360 of 1934 🔗

Just in case any of you guys haven’t seen it.. A World Doctors Alliance video with warnings to the public about covid vaccines..


293929 Nick Rose, 5, #1361 of 1934 🔗

Excellent summary from Ivor Cummins – PCR vs Antigen Testing. Seven minutes.


PCR Vs Rapid Antigen – Safely Opening Up Society – a Rational, Technical Approach

293934 NickR, replying to NickR, 13, #1362 of 1934 🔗

It’s interesting to see how the data has been manipulated to create fear about rising ‘cases’. The 2 charts below come from the same government published data set https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/details/cases but one shows positive tests by date reported & one shows the 7 day average. If you want to create a sense of fear & panic you report on selective days the top one, if you wanted to create a sense of calm & rationality you’d report the lower. Which one did the BBC broadcast?

293979 ▶▶ Ceriain, replying to NickR, 2, #1363 of 1934 🔗

And they report deaths by ‘reported date’ because that’s always the worse figure. Of course it’s dishonest, Nick. You’re preaching to the converted, mate. 🙂

293988 ▶▶▶ NickR, replying to Ceriain, 4, #1364 of 1934 🔗

Yes, I know but I think sometimes a graphic can do quite a good job illustrating what’s been going on to people outside of our particular echo-chamber.

294134 ▶▶▶▶ Edward, replying to NickR, #1365 of 1934 🔗

Agreed. And even in the first plot the trend of the peaks is downward.

294164 ▶▶▶▶ Ceriain, replying to NickR, #1366 of 1934 🔗

Absolutely; couldn’t agree more. 🙂

293942 calchas, replying to calchas, 10, #1367 of 1934 🔗

So, we all know that the vaccines have barely been tested on humans.

That doesn’t matter – have they been tested on masked zombies?

294090 ▶▶ annie, replying to calchas, 3, #1368 of 1934 🔗

Tested on the living dead?
How coukd you tell the difference?

293943 chaos, replying to chaos, 15, #1369 of 1934 🔗

UK regulators have issued a warning that people who have a history of “significant” allergic reactions should not currently receive the Pfizer/BioNTech Covid-19 vaccine after two NHS staff members who had the jab suffered allergic reactions.

lol got my get out of jail free card.. for now..

294084 ▶▶ Pebbles, replying to chaos, 1, #1370 of 1934 🔗

YES… and the informed consent document. That should allow us to get away… and show them the middle finger!

294113 ▶▶ mattghg, replying to chaos, 1, #1371 of 1934 🔗


294188 ▶▶ Mayo, replying to chaos, 2, #1372 of 1934 🔗

Pfizer specifically excluded anyone with allergies from the trial. I would have thought that was a bit of a clue for the regulators.

Many medicines and treatments cause allergic reactions. That’s why it’s customary to complete safety questionnaires before any treatments are administered.

293948 Nobody2020, replying to Nobody2020, 13, #1373 of 1934 🔗

My number one question for the moment is this:

“If we brought this virus and it’s effect down to the same level as the flu, why would there be a need to maintain any measures that we didn’t already have for the flu prior to all this?”

It could be argued that it’s around that level already but let’s assume it’s not. I’d like to know the answer to this question.

293960 ▶▶ calchas, replying to Nobody2020, 7, #1374 of 1934 🔗

“..why would there be a need to maintain any measures that we didn’t already have for the flu prior to all this?””

The obvious answer would appear to be that the measures are really there for another reason.

293977 ▶▶ PhilipF, replying to Nobody2020, 4, #1375 of 1934 🔗

The answer is no: there would not be a need to maintain special measures, but it doesn’t seem to work like that. Rationality, proportionality and precedent (i.e. what would have been considered normal or common sense previously) no longer apply.

294126 ▶▶ Lisa (formerly) from Toronto, replying to Nobody2020, 4, #1376 of 1934 🔗

What makes anyone think the flu isn’t next on the target list of illnesses nobody is allowed to die from any longer? It has always been my fear that once the sheeple realize they’ve been killing granny forever due to flu we’ll never get back to normal. And the flu kills more young people than Covid, so what reason would there be to ever get rid of masks and social distancing? It’s a very slippery and scary slope.

294171 ▶▶▶ A. Contrarian, replying to Lisa (formerly) from Toronto, #1377 of 1934 🔗

Yep – Hancock has his sights set on flu next, with the testing infrastructure set to be converted to “eliminating” flu once Covid has been wrestled to the ground.

294170 ▶▶ A. Contrarian, replying to Nobody2020, #1378 of 1934 🔗

Because Covid has been bigged up as being worse than flu, worse than anything in human history, so it will never be OK for it to exist.

294278 ▶▶ Two-Six, replying to Nobody2020, #1379 of 1934 🔗

It’s because of the governments and the new global health care “system’s” aim of preventative medicine. So they think due to technocracy, big data and big science, they can lead us into a new era of free of disease.

Health care can be cheap if we stop people getting ill of things we can vaccinate against, cut the liabilities and overheads.

Flu is a dangerous thing, we can stop this, if only we had some better behaviour and vaccines.

Face nappies are about enforcing communitarian values, i wear one to protect you, I take the vaccine to protect you.

They will want to track Influenza and use special magic powers to stop it, they will want to track all kinds of things. The sky is the limit!

293949 Borisbullshit, replying to Borisbullshit, 9, #1380 of 1934 🔗

I know there have been some rumblings about Jonathon Barr on here but maybe we should be a bit worried about whats higher up the food chain. I have the greatest admiration for Toby for setting up the FSU and this site but I heard him say something a little disturbing to James Delingpole on the London Calling podcast yesterday. He asked James if Johnson makes a success of the vaccine and if he gets things back to normal by Easter would it be right for us to give him a second chance? Delingpole seemed rather horrified as was I…..did we misinterpret what he said?

293955 ▶▶ calchas, replying to Borisbullshit, 3, #1381 of 1934 🔗

I didn’t hear the podcast, but since the chances of either the vaccine being a success or of the country being back to normal by Easter are vanishingly small, it doesn’t matter.

293993 ▶▶▶ Saved To Death, replying to calchas, 18, #1382 of 1934 🔗

The vaccine is being pushed on a terrified population who have been made to believe it is the only way to get back to normal and that otherwise they risk death of themselves or loved ones due to a unprecedented virus threat(an outright lie).

None of the people receiving this vaccine can be be considered to have given informed consent. It is not just by definition a failure but a criminal act. It is a criminal act beyond our comprehension.

Now they have artificially created the crisis – they could end it an any time. Would his definition of success be choosing to end the artificial crisis of their own making that has/will destroy millions after forcing as much of the population to take an unnecessary and potentially harmful poorly tested vaccine.

294074 ▶▶▶▶ charleyfarley, replying to Saved To Death, #1383 of 1934 🔗

Good post – thanks.

293972 ▶▶ Julian, replying to Borisbullshit, 7, #1384 of 1934 🔗

Was it perhaps rhetorical? TY has seemed pretty cynical about the PM, but hasn’t expressed quite the same visceral contempt or hatred as say Hitchens or Sumption (contempt) or Dolan (I think Dolan really hates the PM).

The PM and other leading actors cannot and must not be forgiven.

293983 ▶▶ anon, replying to Borisbullshit, 1, #1385 of 1934 🔗

The best way to control the opposition is to lead it ourselves.

294017 ▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to Borisbullshit, 6, #1386 of 1934 🔗

There can be NO forgiveness for Johnson, Hancock, Gove, Whitty, Vallance, Sturgeon, Drakeford or Dick for this shitshow. Not ever. In my eyes there is only one way they can pay for what they’ve done to this country and its people.

294093 ▶▶▶ annie, replying to Nick Rose, 2, #1387 of 1934 🔗

Hear hear.Black Hole of Covid, shove them all in, throw away the key.

294105 ▶▶▶ Borisbullshit, replying to Nick Rose, #1388 of 1934 🔗

I agree entirely…thats why I was a little horrified!

293952 Nick Rose, replying to Nick Rose, 4, #1389 of 1934 🔗

From WalesOnline:


Mark Drakeford blames people not following rules for Wales having highest Covid rates in Britain

293964 ▶▶ Julian, replying to Nick Rose, 13, #1390 of 1934 🔗

Do these wankers ever give any evidence for this? Does any lazy so-called journalist ask them to back up their claims?

294100 ▶▶▶ annie, replying to Julian, 3, #1391 of 1934 🔗

Not in Wales. Stalin Dungford is aurrounded by arselickers. Then there’s the outer circle of mindless zombies. Everybody else is a rule-breaking villain.

293968 ▶▶ Ceriain, replying to Nick Rose, 3, #1392 of 1934 🔗

Mister Mike (with his masked face) is a bit of a knob!

So… its not the fact that he stuffed the firebreak by doing it for a shorter length of time than any of the other home nations – ignoring the science that said anything less than 4 weeks was a waste of time.

… he cant blame himself now, can he!

294003 ▶▶ DocRC, replying to Nick Rose, 8, #1393 of 1934 🔗

Communist tosser!

294115 ▶▶ mattghg, replying to Nick Rose, 5, #1394 of 1934 🔗

Ah yes, the reason the tractor factory didn’t meet its monthly output quote is because of saboteurs…

293957 NickR, replying to NickR, 1, #1395 of 1934 🔗

I’ve posted from this data set before, positive tests by health area. We’ve now combined this with the population data so you can see neighbouring areas on the same basis.
If anyone has a particular area they’re interested in comparing to its surrounding areas let me know.

293996 ▶▶ DRW, replying to NickR, #1396 of 1934 🔗

Can you graph the Greater Bristol area?

294174 ▶▶▶ NickR, replying to DRW, #1397 of 1934 🔗

Posted above

293966 Nick Rose, 21, #1398 of 1934 🔗



BREAKING: 100% PCR false positives found at Cambs Uni last week using their own gold standard lighthouse laboratory, when results were double checked with second test. Govt MUST now accept my treble test challenge with Lateral Flow & independent PCR.

293967 Felice, replying to Felice, 16, #1399 of 1934 🔗

Has the government considered the illogicality of what they are doing with respect to vaccines?

The drug companies say that the vaccine reduces symptoms but they do not know whether it prevents transmission.

So there is the potential that all those people who have been vaccinated could become super spreaders. They catch the virus, but have such mild and not noticeable symptoms that they are not aware of being infectious, just like asymptomatic ‘cases’ at present.

There is potential for the numbers of asymptomatic ‘cases’ going through the roof as more and more people get vaccinated.

Maybe airlines should ban vaccinated people in case they unknowingly have the virus. Or is it back to mass testing all over again?

293987 ▶▶ Lucan Grey, replying to Felice, 6, #1400 of 1934 🔗

It doesn’t matter if it reduces transmission if it reduces symptoms. At that point it is really just a bad cold for everybody.

Which we can then treat like all other bad colds – by stocking up on honey and lemon and otherwise getting on with our lives.

294006 ▶▶ Ceriain, replying to Felice, 1, #1401 of 1934 🔗

The drug companies say that the vaccine reduces symptoms…

Pfizer said their vaccine makes you ‘ fully immune ‘. Prof Sir Munir Pirmohamed also said this at the MHRA briefing on the 2nd of December.

294509 ▶▶▶ Ben, replying to Ceriain, #1402 of 1934 🔗

Can’t we just catch a cold, feel sick for two weeks and get immunity way?

294015 ▶▶ stewart, replying to Felice, 1, #1403 of 1934 🔗

Has the government considered the illogicality of what they are doing with respect to vaccines?

Illogical behaviour is the government’s modus operandi throughout this entirely self-inflicted crisis.

294025 ▶▶ Julian, replying to Felice, #1404 of 1934 🔗

The purpose of the vaccine is to save lives and reduce pressure on the NHS, not to allow restrictions to be lifted – those will be with us forever.

294497 ▶▶ Ben, replying to Felice, #1405 of 1934 🔗

So the world is terrified of catching something they won’t notice?

293969 NappyFace, 27, #1406 of 1934 🔗

They are now promoting a vaccine which sounds to me to be more dangerous than the virus for anyone under 65 or with severe co-morbidities.

We need to learn to live with the virus whilst continuing to work on improving treatments, don’t we?

I’ve got nothing against vaccines in general, but this one is very new – effectively the roll out is the trial.

293970 James Marker, replying to James Marker, 26, #1407 of 1934 🔗

Some fascinating news in today’s papers. It sounds like the vaccine hype is steadily unravelling. The Pfizer vaccine is clearly still at an experimental stage if Vallance admits he doesn’t know how good the vaccine will be at preventing transmission; and even Paul Nuki, the WHO propagandist, writing in the Telegraph states “it is not clear how efficacious vaccines will prove in the most frail”. The AstraZeneca vaccine, developed by the woke team at Oxford University, is still to be approved and looks to be heading for white elephant status: perhaps they’ll try to recover some of their losses by flogging it off in the Pound Shop – a thousand vials for a quid, perhaps?  Meanwhile revised ONS figures released on 4 December show that Covid-19 infections were flat at the time of lockdown. If Johnson doesn’t realise by now that he’s been sold a false prospectus, there really is no hope

294004 ▶▶ Basileus, replying to James Marker, 3, #1408 of 1934 🔗

Either this government will roll over or things will get very nasty.

294020 ▶▶ Julian, replying to James Marker, 9, #1409 of 1934 🔗

If Johnson doesn’t realise by now that he’s been sold a false prospectus, there really is no hope” He knew that from the start. He bottled it, and has been lying to us and himself ever since

294031 ▶▶ IanE, replying to James Marker, 1, #1410 of 1934 🔗

Yup: there really is no hope.

294165 ▶▶ A. Contrarian, replying to James Marker, #1411 of 1934 🔗

No matter. they’ve moved onto London experiencing the Third Wave now. There’s always something new to distract the plebs.

293974 Basileus, replying to Basileus, 26, #1412 of 1934 🔗
293985 ▶▶ Ceriain, replying to Basileus, 2, #1413 of 1934 🔗

Nice! 🙂

Noticed this in the comments:

4 people have facial paralysis too. Rumours circulating in the last couple of hours of 1 death too!

wonder where he got that from.

294236 ▶▶▶▶ p02099003, replying to HPSauce, 1, #1415 of 1934 🔗

One of the side effects of Bell’s palsy is chronic loss of taste.

294036 ▶▶▶ Kevin 2, replying to Ceriain, 4, #1416 of 1934 🔗

Without jumping to conclusions, this sounds like Myasthenia gravis, which is an acquired auto-immune disorder…
And is listed as a possible adverse reaction on several vaccine inserts.

294145 ▶▶▶▶ Ceriain, replying to Kevin 2, #1417 of 1934 🔗

Ah, that one; I did know about that. Thanks, HP & Kevin. 🙂

294258 ▶▶▶ Two-Six, replying to Ceriain, 1, #1418 of 1934 🔗

Facial paralyses? Not to worry, just wear a face nappy, nobody will notice.

293986 ▶▶ bucky99, replying to Basileus, 1, #1419 of 1934 🔗

Ah that’s some genuinely good news, for once!

293994 ▶▶ leggy, replying to Basileus, 1, #1420 of 1934 🔗


293998 ▶▶ Hieronimusb, replying to Basileus, 2, #1421 of 1934 🔗

Terrific news, I shall wear my badge received a few days ago with pride!

294000 ▶▶ OKUK, replying to Basileus, 4, #1422 of 1934 🔗

FSU – we love you!

And what a perfect day to win, when we see the dangers of flocking behaviour in relation to the vaccine the media numpties were telling us was “safe”.

294005 ▶▶ Victoria, replying to Basileus, 2, #1423 of 1934 🔗

Well done Toby.

I have joined the FSU yesterday

294007 ▶▶ Two-Six, replying to Basileus, 1, #1424 of 1934 🔗

Thats very good news indeed. OFCOM are EVIL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

294069 ▶▶ First Minister of Bubbledom, replying to Basileus, #1425 of 1934 🔗

This is huge…some good news at last. So inspiring that I was straight over to their website to join up.

294104 ▶▶ JVS, replying to Basileus, #1426 of 1934 🔗

Finally – good news! Well done 🙂

294163 ▶▶ A. Contrarian, replying to Basileus, #1427 of 1934 🔗


293991 leggy, replying to leggy, 10, #1428 of 1934 🔗

Seems that Brandy Vaughan, an ex pharma executive turned whistleblower was found dead yesterday at the rip old age of 47. No cause known yet as far as I can tell. But it’s worth listening to what she had to say to the CDC last year.


293997 ▶▶ Basileus, replying to leggy, 5, #1429 of 1934 🔗

Very disturbing.

294001 ▶▶▶ calchas, replying to Basileus, 7, #1430 of 1934 🔗

I often wonder how the PCR debate would have gone if inventor Kary Mullis had not died last year.

294055 ▶▶▶▶ watashi, replying to calchas, #1431 of 1934 🔗

what did he die of? was it a suspicious death?

294080 ▶▶▶▶▶ Rowan, replying to watashi, #1432 of 1934 🔗

Died August 2019, how convenient. Mullis wasn’t slow at calling out bullshit in regard to the PCR test. Much safer dead.

294065 ▶▶▶▶ guy153, replying to calchas, #1433 of 1934 🔗

He’d just have been cancelled and dismissed as a crank. I don’t think it would have made any difference. Or he might have said actually PCR is fine in which case people wouldn’t have been able to keep quoting him.

294087 ▶▶▶▶▶ Rowan, replying to guy153, #1434 of 1934 🔗

Mullis was of the view that his test could and would be misused.

294257 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ leggy, replying to Rowan, #1435 of 1934 🔗

It was never designed to be a test for anything. It’s a laboratory technique to make lots of something from a tiny little bit.

294379 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Stringfellow Hawke, replying to leggy, #1436 of 1934 🔗

Yes. Interesting & very helpful sometimes in things like cold cases, with just trace amounts of evidence to piece together, it can enable looking at DNA in a way that was impossible many years ago. But as a mass-diagnostic tool for an infectious disease? as you rightly say: nope!

294045 ▶▶ Mrs issedoff, replying to leggy, 1, #1437 of 1934 🔗

She had sent a tweet a few years back, which stated that she wanted people to screen shot it in case anything happened to her. It is very disturbing in my mind as she obviously felt very threatened.

294057 ▶▶ watashi, replying to leggy, 1, #1438 of 1934 🔗

so young! suspicious cicumstances?

294491 ▶▶ Ben, replying to leggy, #1439 of 1934 🔗

This doesn’t help Pharma’s image

294002 Cecil B, replying to Cecil B, 8, #1440 of 1934 🔗

On the first day of jabbing two cases of Anaphylactic reaction

‘Anaphylaxis happens fast and produces serious symptoms throughout the entire body. Without treatment , symptoms can cause serious health consequences and even death’

Someone sadly will die from this, my prediction is before the end of the week

What then?

When told ‘someone could die’ the pig dictator will default to his usual risk averse
position and stop the ‘vaccination’ program

294022 ▶▶ Saved To Death, replying to Cecil B, 1, #1441 of 1934 🔗

No of course true to form he will take measures that can only accelerate the rate of death and maximise suffering for all. Stopping the vaccination program will not achieve those aims.

294034 ▶▶ Rowan, replying to Cecil B, 2, #1442 of 1934 🔗

When told ‘someone could die’ the pig dictator will default to his usual risk averse position and stop the ‘vaccination’ program

Not unless Bill Gates says he can stop it, otherwise the deaths will just have to pile up. The BBC and most of the other MSM will stay mum in any event.

294054 ▶▶ watashi, replying to Cecil B, 2, #1443 of 1934 🔗

I would of thought it more likely that the death would be blamed on covid. No mention will be made of the fact that dear dead one had the jab. That would just be a coincidence.

294161 ▶▶ A. Contrarian, replying to Cecil B, #1444 of 1934 🔗

As per the BBC article referenced further up, people die all the time, thousands of them every week you know, it’s just something that happens, not related to the vaccine, he probably just ate something a bit funny for his breakfast.

294173 ▶▶ Mayo, replying to Cecil B, 4, #1445 of 1934 🔗

Allergic reactions are not unusual. Lots of medicines and treatments can causes them. What is unusual is that 2 nurses who suffered with allergies allowed themselves to be vaccinated and that the NHS failed to check for allergies.

My wife is due to have one of her regular CT scans in January. Prior to the scan a contrast agent is injected into her veins. Some individuals suffer an allergic reaction to the contrast. Along with the appointment letter she receives a Safety Questionnaire which specifically asks for details of any allergies.

She has completed this same form on at least 30 occasions. Quite why a similar procedure was not carried out for a new vaccine is beyond me.

294008 Fingerache Philip., replying to Fingerache Philip., 7, #1446 of 1934 🔗

The government, “experts”, collaborators and sheep are worse than children; let them give (those who want it) the vaccine, let them claim that all the lockdowns,circuit breakers,etc have defeated the virus and they will pick up all their toys and put their thumbs in their mouths and finally go to “bye byes”.
In the near future we will be vindicated as all the new “experts” will accept that the virus was defeated by herd immunity.
Those who have destroyed jobs, futures and lives will be held to account and hopefully will be punished.

294024 ▶▶ IanE, replying to Fingerache Philip., 4, #1447 of 1934 🔗

Well I have dreams too: some are more realistic than others though!

294037 ▶▶▶ Fingerache Philip., replying to IanE, 2, #1448 of 1934 🔗

We have to hope.

294048 ▶▶ guy153, replying to Fingerache Philip., 3, #1449 of 1934 🔗

They won’t stop until they have eradicated Covid through SD and vaccines or the political mood changes.

The former is unlikely to be possible even with vaccines. Which means the situation is the same as it has been for months: wait for the political mood to change and try to encourage it.

I don’t think we can expect them to go away quietly with their thumbs in their mouths.

294009 Tim Bidie, replying to Tim Bidie, 2, #1450 of 1934 🔗

Just a thought: this government is wily…..

I wonder if they are wily enough to declare the PCR tests a hopeless false alarm…’apologies everyone’…..just in time for the Scottish elections next May?

Then sit back and watch the fun north of the border?

294021 ▶▶ Rowan, replying to Tim Bidie, 2, #1451 of 1934 🔗

If only.

294154 ▶▶ GiftWrappedKittyCat, replying to Tim Bidie, 1, #1452 of 1934 🔗

Doubtful. I can’t stand Turdgeon but she’s not stupid, if the SG did that close to the election people would rightly be furious and it would cost the SNP votes. If you were talking about Westminster, then it would play into the SNP’s hands and give them another grievance. Anyone who was planning to vote Tory would quickly rethink if they dropped that bombshell and the SNP would likely win again which I don’t think is something Boris particularly wants.

294011 charleyfarley, replying to charleyfarley, 5, #1453 of 1934 🔗

I have a reply from my MP to the email I sent asking her to vote down any suggestion that vaccinations would be compulsory.

After wading through the self congratulatory guff – no doubt written by Hancock’s civil servants – this appears:

“I am committed to ending the current pandemic in the safest possible manner, and I support the measures under the Coronavirus Act 2020 which reinforce and expediate this process. It is important to note that the powers granted to the Government under the Coronavirus Act 2020 are made under and subject to the restrictions of the Control of Disease Act 1984. Under the 1984 Act, Ministers have the power to make regulations which prevent danger to public health and prevent the spread of infection, but these regulations do not include mandatory treatment or vaccination.

Instead, the Coronavirus Act 2020, a time limited, emergency act, is designed to significantly enhance our ability to respond effectively. The Act will increase the available health and social care workforce, ease the burden on frontline staff, contain and slow the spread of Covid-19 by reducing unnecessary social contacts, help manage the deceased with dignity and respect, and support individuals financially and with access to basic provisions.”

Note: she has ducked my question. I didn’t ask her what the law is now. I asked her to confirm she wouldn’t vote for complusion. Since she hasn’t I assume she is keeping her options open.

I know I should press her on this, but frankly she’s just a mouthpiece for Hancock and past experience tells me I’d be wasting my time.

(I haven’t the strength to comment on the bullshit quoted above – you should see the rest of her email!)

294016 ▶▶ Julian, replying to charleyfarley, 1, #1454 of 1934 🔗

Mine refused to rule it out when I emailed her months ago

294028 ▶▶ stewart, replying to charleyfarley, 4, #1455 of 1934 🔗

Reply to her and tell her that her name is on a list of MPs who are do not support returning our civil liberties, that the list is published online on liberty2019.org and that her response to your letter confirms that she is properly reflected on the list.

294040 ▶▶ Hieronimusb, replying to charleyfarley, 5, #1456 of 1934 🔗

The hole these blinkered fools are digging is long, dark, crowded, and very narrow; turning around and heading back towards the light would require more strength of character than any of them possess. They may believe in safety in numbers but the number of unnecessary deaths will be their epitaph.

294098 ▶▶ JVS, replying to charleyfarley, #1457 of 1934 🔗

I know I should write to mine about the same thing. Haven’t had any reply/acknowledgement to last couple of emails and honestly can’t see the point in emailing him again as its odious Ellwood and he did sing the praises of immunity passports a few months ago 🙁

294337 ▶▶ Mr Dee, replying to charleyfarley, 2, #1458 of 1934 🔗

I sent a question concerning the December 14th debate to two local MPS.

Both replied promptly.

Here’s one in full – Simon Baynes:

Thank you for contacting me about vaccinations for Covid-19. The ongoing national response to the Covid-19 emergency is a testament to the hard work of our NHS staff, care workers, key workers, scientific researchers and all members of the public following government guidance to keep each other safe. It has also highlighted that UK based scientific research is at the forefront of global development. This is exemplified in particular by the development of a vaccine at Oxford University, which, following reports which showed it is producing the right immune response to a high level of efficacy, is awaiting approval for distribution from regulators.

I am committed to ending the current pandemic in the safest possible manner, and I support the measures under the Coronavirus Act 2020 which reinforce and expediate this process. It is important to note that the powers granted to the Government under the Coronavirus Act 2020 are made under and subject to the restrictions of the Control of Disease Act 1984. Under the 1984 Act, Ministers have the power to make regulations which prevent danger to public health and prevent the spread of infection, but these regulations do not include mandatory treatment or vaccination.

Instead, the Coronavirus Act 2020, a time limited, emergency act, is designed to significantly enhance our ability to respond effectively. The Act will increase the available health and social care workforce, ease the burden on frontline staff, contain and slow the spread of Covid-19 by reducing unnecessary social contacts, help manage the deceased with dignity and respect, and support individuals financially and with access to basic provisions.

Before use, vaccinations are extensively trialled under a variety of conditions, before undergoing a robust and independent analysis process. The benefits associated with vaccinations are overwhelming, and as such I strongly disagree with any group or individual seeking to discourage people from protecting themselves and others from potentially fatal illnesses.

Thank you again for taking the time to contact me.

Kind regards,


Here’s the other, in full. Sarah Atherton.

Hi – my personal opinion is that no one should have to take the vaccine if they do not want it. I believe in personal freedom and choice. Unfortunately, I will not be able to attend that debate but I will have a listen to what has been said!


Unfortunately my current MP is Mr Baynes. Mrs Atherton is my previous MP. I can’t vote for her. I wish I could. Had Mr Baynes replied with the same concise, heartfelt manner he would have got my vote. Seeing as he couldn’t be bothered replying to my email properly, I can’t be bothered voted for him next election.

294402 ▶▶▶ Mr Dee, replying to Mr Dee, #1459 of 1934 🔗

I’ve sent this back to Baynes:

Dear Simon.

Seeing as you cannot be bothered to reply to me personally, I cannot be bothered to comment on your reply.

I asked for YOUR views on the matter.

However what I got was regurgitated from Tory HQ.

I’ll give you another chance to respond. I will rephrase my question:

Do you believe that no one should have to take the vaccine if they do not want it? Yes or no.

Do you believe in personal freedom and choice? Yes or no.

Kind Regards,

Dylan Owen

294026 JHuntz, replying to JHuntz, 3, #1460 of 1934 🔗

No Alcohol for 2 Months, Russia Tells Coronavirus Vaccine Recipients – The Moscow Times

2 months without booze just aswell they aren’t doing this in the UK.

294030 ▶▶ Will, replying to JHuntz, 6, #1461 of 1934 🔗

As opposed to the model of sobriety that is Russia!?!?!

294043 ▶▶▶ JHuntz, replying to Will, 2, #1462 of 1934 🔗

Haha well apparently the uptake in Russian is low so mught go some way to explain it.

294044 ▶▶ stefarm, replying to JHuntz, #1463 of 1934 🔗

Give them time…..

294108 ▶▶ assoc, replying to JHuntz, 5, #1464 of 1934 🔗

Good luck with that! They’ll drink perfume if there is no vodka,

294116 ▶▶ arfurmo, replying to JHuntz, #1465 of 1934 🔗

If there any evidence that alcohol affects the vaccine or it just virtue signalling?

294267 ▶▶ Major Panic, replying to JHuntz, #1466 of 1934 🔗

I assumed their vaccine was vodka

294027 Will, replying to Will, 11, #1467 of 1934 🔗

I predicted the vaccine would be withdrawn on the 12th day of Christmas, at this rate I won’t even have the decorations up before it is withdrawn and the whole vaccine/ lockdown policy will lie in complete tatters.

294049 ▶▶ JHuntz, replying to Will, 13, #1468 of 1934 🔗

The vaccine as a response to a pandemic is completely unworkable. We could be going on about 5 years of intermittent restrictions to vaccinate the entire world population. By the end of it we will have a completely impoverished world with likely multiple side effects from various vaccines. It is just insane utterly insane.

294304 ▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to JHuntz, 3, #1469 of 1934 🔗

Not insane if the objective is to impoverish, control, maim, and kill people.

294061 ▶▶ Saved To Death, replying to Will, 4, #1470 of 1934 🔗

I think they know full well it will be a disaster but I think they are quite sure that like they could sell a mild virus as the end of life as we know it despite the evidence they will be able to sell the vaccine as the safest and most effective every despite the evidence.

294096 ▶▶ Janette, replying to Will, 4, #1471 of 1934 🔗

I do hope so. This nonsense has to cease immediately.

294111 ▶▶ DRW, replying to Will, 4, #1472 of 1934 🔗

There have been astronomic costs sunk into both, it will be very hard to back away from them.

294148 ▶▶ Mayo, replying to Will, #1473 of 1934 🔗


294038 Will, replying to Will, 2, #1474 of 1934 🔗

Could someone please post a link to testing rates? I assume they are firing out the tests to cause a rise in false positives to justify a cancellation of Christmas.

294123 ▶▶ Pancho the Grey, replying to Will, 1, #1475 of 1934 🔗

Was looking yesterday and there was a sharp uptick in testing.

294251 ▶▶ leggy, replying to Will, 1, #1476 of 1934 🔗
294042 Leemc23, replying to Leemc23, 5, #1477 of 1934 🔗

I am hopeful of going football tomorrow. Have to do a health questionnaire. In which they want an email to pass to NHS track and trace. Now if I am in a stadium and someone else tests positive – I.e not someone I know – would this put me at risk of having to self isolate through no fault of my own ? Looking at the guidance it says for more than 15 minutes at 2 meters or more…well a match is 90 + half time. I avoid this bollocks and don’t even want my email given to NHS when they will simply sell it to someone anyway or blanket the whole 2000 Capacity on the off chance ?

Views please

294047 ▶▶ Lockdown_Lunacy, replying to Leemc23, 6, #1478 of 1934 🔗

Make a random yahoo email account with fake credentials?

294066 ▶▶▶ Leemc23, replying to Lockdown_Lunacy, #1479 of 1934 🔗

Thanks for the replies folks. It’s easy enough to get around the email but still can’t assure myself that I won’t get banged up over Christmas for no fault of my own due to the NHS tosspots inability to recognise that we are not all hugging for 90 minutes at football.

294070 ▶▶▶▶ stefarm, replying to Leemc23, #1480 of 1934 🔗

What about if you score?

294076 ▶▶▶▶▶ Leemc23, replying to stefarm, 2, #1481 of 1934 🔗

That would hopefully not involve more than 15 minutes of kissing, hugging and all kinds of foul human interaction

294178 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ stefarm, replying to Leemc23, #1482 of 1934 🔗

Not even a goal that would rival the 1970 Brazil team???

294133 ▶▶▶▶ GiftWrappedKittyCat, replying to Leemc23, 3, #1483 of 1934 🔗

If you give a false email address and phone number you should be ok. I don’t think they are joined up enough to get your correct details from the club you purchased your ticket from. If per chance the football club did pass your details to the track and trace goons then I’m sure you could have them for breaching data protection laws.

294051 ▶▶ Mabel Cow, replying to Leemc23, 3, #1484 of 1934 🔗

Mailinator is your friend.

You can pick any email address you like, for example: matthew.john.david.wanksock .

294052 ▶▶ DocRC, replying to Leemc23, 1, #1485 of 1934 🔗
294058 ▶▶ JHuntz, replying to Leemc23, 4, #1486 of 1934 🔗

Be surprised if it didn’t. They may well do it by stands or turnstiles don’t know the exact answer though.

I must say though the whole football fan experience looks miserable. I’m not going back til they let in the full stadium which might be never at this rate.

294075 ▶▶▶ Leemc23, replying to JHuntz, 4, #1487 of 1934 🔗

Incredible to think that multi million pound industry that relies on people through the gates is being forced to close by some spotty prat at PHE. By now you would think Money would be winning through.

294297 ▶▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to Leemc23, 1, #1488 of 1934 🔗

Sadly, the multi-million pound part relies on tv money nowadays. Lower leagues, yes, gate money is key.

294059 ▶▶ Ceriain, replying to Leemc23, 8, #1489 of 1934 🔗

I’ve got no suggestions, Lee, but:

Have to do a health questionnaire.

To attend a football match? The country’s gone insane! 🙁

294073 ▶▶▶ Leemc23, replying to Ceriain, 3, #1490 of 1934 🔗

Yep. The whole thing is a piss take. I am so fed up with it and not even gone yet !

294071 ▶▶ Sam Vimes, replying to Leemc23, 11, #1491 of 1934