2020-12-10

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294623 Barney McGrew, replying to Barney McGrew, 10, #1 of 1591 🔗

Oh yes

294624 ▶▶ Jonathan Palmer, replying to Barney McGrew, 4, #2 of 1591 🔗

Nearly

294774 ▶▶ OKUK, replying to Barney McGrew, 1, #3 of 1591 🔗

Ah, bless!

295277 ▶▶▶ Sir Patrick Vaccine, replying to OKUK, 1, #4 of 1591 🔗

Dear chunkt
Vallance admits The 10pm Curfew Did NOTHING | Carl Vernon
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hphFofIu2y4

295798 ▶▶▶ Sir Patrick Vaccine, replying to OKUK, #5 of 1591 🔗

Dear  UKUK
Kay Burley’s Coronavirus Suspension Proves Hypocrisy of Media Elite
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zpW4GDidIq8

MP (who voted for lockdown) tells Andre Walker that they all know Coronavirus is nonsense

294625 Ceriain, replying to Ceriain, 9, #6 of 1591 🔗

Damn! Hit the post and McGrew knocked in the rebound. 😉

294685 ▶▶ annie, replying to Ceriain, 2, #7 of 1591 🔗

Nice try!

295916 ▶▶ Sir Patrick Vaccine, replying to Ceriain, 2, #8 of 1591 🔗

Dea Ten

Why Small Businesses Should Stay Closed Forever!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_O9ltm_Gml0

Every true word here is said in jest

294626 Judy Watson, replying to Judy Watson, 8, #9 of 1591 🔗

AAAARRRGH falling even lower on the league table

294814 ▶▶ arfurmo, replying to Judy Watson, 4, #10 of 1591 🔗

It’s like a top sportsman -when you’ve won a few trophies, the hunger goes and more determined opponents move in.

295037 ▶▶▶ Judy Watson, replying to arfurmo, 2, #11 of 1591 🔗

He, he ,he

294627 Nobody2020, replying to Nobody2020, 81, #12 of 1591 🔗

Two movies/books with a similar theme that I have referenced before are Minority Report and Logan’s Run. There are many parallels with our reality but it is the aspect of “gamekeeper turned poacher” or “hunter becomes the hunted” that I want to focus on here.

In both stories the main protagonist falls foul of the system that they have been employed to police. In Minority Report John Anderton is a police captain in the precrime division and in Logan’s Run, Logan is a Sandman tasked with terminating Runners (people who do not wish their lives to be ended prematurely as the system demands).

Anderton ends up on the run for a crime he is yet to commit and Logan is turned into a runner as part of an undercover operation the system has given to him.

Both become enemies of the people they used to work with, people they would have once called friends.

I don’t want to get too deep into this, but I’m sure some people can relate. The reason why this particular chain of thought came to me was due to the recent scandal of Kay Burley and friends out celebrating her 60th birthday.

The Sun has more details here: https://bit.ly/2W2qYKE

This is what happens when people are too trusting of a system whereby doing something as “normal” as celebrating your birthday is deemed to be wrong. I realise there is a huge element of hypocrisy in what they did but I’m not here to judge them. Note how Adam Boulton, a colleague and even possibly a friend (maybe ex now) retweeted a post branding them morons.

The Sandman/Precrime Captain becomes a runner and enemy of ex colleagues/friends. Can you see the parallel here?

The point is that the system (whatever your idea of a system may be) doesn’t really care about you although it is always set up under the premise of being good for everyone. In Logan’s Run people are killed at the age of 30 but it is called Carrousel and people don’t die they are reborn. In Minority Report the system stops crime before it even happens, a bit like locking people up before they become infected or can infect somebody else.

If you ever fall foul of the system you are on your own and everybody who blindly follows the system will turn on you.

If we’re not careful this is the kind of world we end up with or will leave to our children.

294631 ▶▶ awildgoose, replying to Nobody2020, 62, #13 of 1591 🔗

People who think Big Gov or Big Pharma personally care for them are the least intelligent people on Earth.

294697 ▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to awildgoose, 41, #14 of 1591 🔗

And therein lies the rub, many people still think that the state has their best interests at heart when its patently not true.

294932 ▶▶▶▶ Ewan Duffy, replying to Bart Simpson, 14, #15 of 1591 🔗

Hear hear and I speak as a former public servant (also son of a (retired) civil servant and grandson of a (deceased) civil servant).

295637 ▶▶▶▶ Ed Turnbull, replying to Bart Simpson, 4, #16 of 1591 🔗

For many years my mantra has been: the state is not your friend.

And though the validity of that statement has been borne out time and again by events, including this year’s utter shitshow, the vast majority do not see it. I guess, for most, thinking for yourself is too onerous, so far it’s better to simply trust what the Inner Party (the MSM, government and academy) tells you.

I wouldn’t mind, if the laziness and complicity of the sheeple, had consequences for them alone. But, alas, those of us who are able to think suffer just as much if not more. And on that rather depressing note I think it’s time for a glass of wine. Chin chin.

294933 ▶▶▶ Llamasaurus Rex, replying to awildgoose, 14, #17 of 1591 🔗

Big Tech, Big Food…
and just wait for Big (Cheaper) Energy to be supplanted by Big (much more expensive) Energy.
none of them care for the plebs they despise, but need

295345 ▶▶▶▶ Rowan, replying to Llamasaurus Rex, 2, #18 of 1591 🔗

They don’t need that many of us and they certainly don’t want any of us. Now where does that leave us?

295419 ▶▶▶▶▶ richard riewer, replying to Rowan, 3, #19 of 1591 🔗

The fact that they don’t need us should tell you what they really think about us. Not much. We can be replaced, by robots.

295718 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Llamasaurus Rex, replying to richard riewer, #20 of 1591 🔗

So far, all elites have needed masses as slaves/consumers/tax payers. The robot replacement prospect may be real. I don’t know enough about the scenarios and various hypotheses to endorse or contest. You may well be right Richard

294637 ▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Nobody2020, 28, #21 of 1591 🔗

A similar theme is explored in a more contemporary setting in the Will Smith film Enemy Of The State.
A high flying lawyer falls foul of rogue elements of the State who cancel him digitally so no credit cards and no phone as his wife, employer and friends desert him.

294891 ▶▶▶ OKUK, replying to karenovirus, 20, #22 of 1591 🔗

That’s exactly what Big Tech are trying to do: unperson you if you offend their PC ideology. They take down your videos, demonetise you, shut down your sites, remove your books from sale, stop you using PayPal accounts…while letting others attack and misrepresent you mercilessly, so destroying your standing in society, losing you friends, your job and if you are unlucky making you a target for violence. If this goes on we’ll get to the point where people have their bank accounts closed, supermarkets won’t serve people , food outlets won’t deliver to you, you will be banned from all pubs . ..

The future’s not bright and it’s not orange…it’s dimly lit and totally shit.

295101 ▶▶▶▶ Sylvia Priest, replying to OKUK, 9, #23 of 1591 🔗

Yes but if we keep fighting the big gov we can win in the end. You might think you cannot do anything to stop it but writing to your MP every day will help to give him reason to put your point and then MPs will eventually decide must help if they want to keep their jobs. I know it’s hard and even my family does not want to get involved and I cannot discuss anything with them or send them information as they will not read it.

295649 ▶▶▶▶▶ Givenup!, replying to Sylvia Priest, 2, #24 of 1591 🔗

Ha ! LOL The stupid majority SUPPORT the lockdowns and the social credit system and wokeness.

Writing to one’s MP’s recently graduated Oxbridge intern is a complete waste of time! Just try and find a niche in this shitty world that is upon us.

294793 ▶▶ Iansn, replying to Nobody2020, 17, #25 of 1591 🔗

In Burley’s case it is more about Karma,she has made a career out of ripping people to pieces for transgressions like she made. Rita Ora did the same, apologised and moved on,shes wealthy and can afford the fine so shes paid the tariff so is clear.. Burley gets paid for doing the dirty on people and throwing it in their faces for the paid audience. Its not really like the film. Bunter Boulton is probably not her friend and may have an axe to grind with her.

294853 ▶▶▶ Nobody2020, replying to Iansn, 8, #26 of 1591 🔗

I don’t know the personal relationships between these people. If I was being cynical I’d think there are some people at Sky who probably welcome the possibility of key positions becoming available.

The warning is that those who call for rules/restrictions/punishments against others should be aware that they are not given a free pass just because they are the ones calling for them.

For example, people who call for “punishment” of those who don’t vaccinate think that they are safe because they would choose to vaccinate. But they likely don’t realise that the punishments would still apply to them if they were ever to change their mind, which of course they wouldn’t be able to.

294869 ▶▶▶▶ Jonathan Palmer, replying to Nobody2020, 15, #27 of 1591 🔗

All those soft questions at the press conferences didn’t save Beth Rigby.
It’s good for so called journalists to realise they are expendable.Now they might start doing their job properly and hold the government to account for the insane way of life they have imposed on us.

294831 ▶▶ James Leary #KBF, replying to Nobody2020, 15, #28 of 1591 🔗

If you really want to depress yourself – go a step further, film-wise. Technocracy leads to “Snowpiercer” and, eventually, of course, “Soylent Green” (set, presciently, in 2022). Mind you, the bemasked sheeple are probably only good for fertiliser. I tell them that if annoyed. They just look puzzled.

295424 ▶▶▶ richard riewer, replying to James Leary #KBF, 2, #29 of 1591 🔗

Tell them that when you see them at the garden centre and point at a bag of fertilizer.

295184 ▶▶ Edward, replying to Nobody2020, 6, #30 of 1591 🔗

Very thought-provoking post. This is the way of things nowadays, anyone who offends the self-styled “righteous” isn’t just reprimanded, they’re liable to lose their job and not be allowed to get another one – the punishment never ends.

295217 ▶▶ Barney McGrew, replying to Nobody2020, 6, #31 of 1591 🔗

Also Fahrenheit 451?

295313 ▶▶ David Grimbleby, replying to Nobody2020, 1, #32 of 1591 🔗

Yes, and Logan’s Run had Jenny Agutter in it , which is a bonus.

295343 ▶▶ Rowan, replying to Nobody2020, 1, #33 of 1591 🔗

There will be no children left to worry about.

294628 Judy Watson, 11, #34 of 1591 🔗

Nice to start the day (for me at any rate( with a bit of light hearted banter.

294629 NorthumbrianNomad, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, 36, #35 of 1591 🔗

The AIER piece is very interesting. Not least because it reveals the truth about the Gateses – they are not genius arch-manipulators of the world population, but just the usual clueless, naive, ultrapositivist Americans who happen to have billions to throw at their supercool projects of incredible awesomeness to perfect the stubbornly imperfect world, so they don’t need to do a Kickstarter campaign.

Anyway, it also quotes the Guardian as part of its survey of itchiness among liberal lockdownistas: “A number of governments have used the pandemic as an excuse to curtail rights such as free speech, peaceful assembly and freedom of association, according to Civicus Monitor, an alliance of civil society groups which assessed 196 countries.”

Well, yes. Notably the U.K.

294630 ▶▶ Barney McGrew, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, 29, #36 of 1591 🔗

On the other hand, if you were bent on world domination but wanted to make people think you were just a well-meaning-but-slightly-bumbling philanthropist you would say that wouldn’t you..? 🙂

294638 ▶▶ karenovirus, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, 7, #37 of 1591 🔗

Good old Guardian bringing up the rear.

294660 ▶▶▶ annie, replying to karenovirus, 13, #38 of 1591 🔗

I notice they don’t include the UK among the countries that have sinned.
I should have thought we belonged in the ‘closed’ category. Particularly Wales, which becomes literally ‘closed’ whenever Dungford and his border goons can arrange it.

294673 ▶▶▶▶ karenovirus, replying to annie, 9, #39 of 1591 🔗

Does teetotal Dungpile realise that a total alcohol ban would mean an end of him ? Welsh government have denied it apparently and we all know what that means.

294684 ▶▶▶▶▶ annie, replying to karenovirus, 11, #40 of 1591 🔗

To put an end. to Dungford I’d willingly drink ditchwater.

294714 ▶▶▶▶▶ thinkaboutit, replying to karenovirus, 15, #41 of 1591 🔗

I don’t know about the Welsh, but as an English person I consider banning pubs unBritish.

295917 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Caroline Watson, replying to thinkaboutit, 1, #42 of 1591 🔗

The Welsh Left has always had a Puritan streak. As Harold Wilson said, the Labour Party owes more to Methodism than Marx.

294691 ▶▶ Cambridge N, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, 12, #43 of 1591 🔗

‘lockdownistas’…..you’ve coined a useful new word there!

295268 ▶▶ Ben, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, 1, #44 of 1591 🔗

I admire the bravery of Ernst Wolff here, and his analysis of the Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation

https://m.youtube.com/watch?feature=youtu.be&v=8LYjOEib9iI

294632 RyanM, replying to RyanM, 55, #45 of 1591 🔗

“When will the rest of the media catch on to this huge scandal?”

Doesn’t matter. The real question is when will they start reporting it?

And the answer is never.

294652 ▶▶ Nigel Sherratt, replying to RyanM, 19, #46 of 1591 🔗

Excellent examples from US right now (Bidens/CCP).

294797 ▶▶ Thomas_E, replying to RyanM, 3, #47 of 1591 🔗

Yeap, that is the sad reality.

294951 ▶▶ RickH, replying to RyanM, 4, #48 of 1591 🔗

You are probably right. The capture of the media has been an on-going process since the 1950s, and has reached near total fulfilment.

294633 Ceriain, replying to Ceriain, 38, #49 of 1591 🔗

Is that an actual Opinium graphic, or is it an LS graphic just showing the results?

Either way, I don’t like being labelled an anti-vaxxer, because it’s one thing I’m not. I’m sure many other here will feel the same.

If it is an LS graphic, can I urge Toby and Will to change it.

294639 ▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Ceriain, 11, #50 of 1591 🔗

My thoughts exactly.
I’m very happy to have been vaccinated against polio and had the BCG jab.
I note that 65+ men are the least wary of the Pfizer jab, is that possibly for the same reason.
Anyone know if, or when, they stopped routine polio and BCG vaccinations ?

294677 ▶▶▶ Ed Phillips, replying to karenovirus, 7, #51 of 1591 🔗

I’m just past forty. We had the BCG in year 9 (3rd year of secondary school)

294696 ▶▶▶ Sophie123, replying to karenovirus, 3, #52 of 1591 🔗

polio still happens (infant vaccination program). BCG was stopped in the 90s or early 00s, due to reduced prevalence. I think high risk groups still advised to get it.

294761 ▶▶▶ cubby, replying to karenovirus, 9, #53 of 1591 🔗

They have never stopped. A recent outbreak of paralysis in India was traced back to the Gates´s GABI vaccine campaign. I believe almost 490,000 children were paralysed. Don´t google it but look it up in PubMed. I can provide a link but not till I get home this evening.
Interestingly, I looked up the WHO site on TB and BCG. Paragraph 3 states that the BCG does not prevent TB but is meant to reduce secondary effects of the disease…..

295438 ▶▶▶▶ richard riewer, replying to cubby, #54 of 1591 🔗

Tuberculosis is caused by what?

295530 ▶▶▶▶▶ cubby, replying to richard riewer, 2, #55 of 1591 🔗

It’s caused by a mycobacterium. It’s notoriously difficult to treat and required long periods of isolation with, I believe, a 3 – pronged antibiotic treatment. It was eradicated in The UK in the 60s but crept back with increased travel. In a TB outbreak I would wear a face mask as it definitely is spread by coughing, as opposed to Covid and ‘flu……

295922 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Caroline Watson, replying to cubby, 1, #56 of 1591 🔗

The main source of TB used to be infected milk. My grandfather died of TB caught from his cows, as did my other grandmother’s brother, possibly from drinking their milk. We have had a TB testing and eradication programme on dairy farms since the 1950s. Anyone who read the early James Herriot books will remember that TB testing was one of his staple tasks.

294956 ▶▶▶ RickH, replying to karenovirus, 4, #58 of 1591 🔗

Yes. The point is risk assessment – and IMNSHO, accepting a vaccine after 9 months ‘testing’ is accepting a stupid degree of risk.

We should certainly not bang the ‘anti-vaxxer’ drum. Totally counter-productive.

294643 ▶▶ chaos, replying to Ceriain, 21, #59 of 1591 🔗

I am an anti-vaxxer, anthropomorphic climate-change denier, and anti-christ..

We never went to the moon. I have no idea who was flying the planes on 911 but the THREE skyscrapers that collapsed into their own footprint were all demolished with explosives. And I expect the American election was seriously compromised.

I’m proud to not have group-think. Proud to not be a sheep. Proud to not blindly swallow the shit spewed out daily by governments and their media mouthpieces. Blessed that I see truth.

Epstein didn’t kill himself. Nor did David Kelly. Nor likely did Ghislane Maxwell’s dad. I am an anti-vaxxer.

294645 ▶▶▶ awildgoose, replying to chaos, 6, #60 of 1591 🔗

Brother, 911 was absolutely controlled demo.

In any good quality video you can see the cutter charges going off in sequence down the side of each tower.

294651 ▶▶▶▶ Nigel Sherratt, replying to awildgoose, 11, #61 of 1591 🔗

As a chartered engineer (40+ years) I disagree. Fire explains it adequately if you understand building structures, steel’s response to temperature and Euler (buckling).

294654 ▶▶▶▶▶ chaos, replying to Nigel Sherratt, 2, #62 of 1591 🔗

Pompous twat. I am also an engineer. Red brick BEng Hons. No steel framed skyscraper has ever completely fallen due to fire or aircraft impact. The heat and energy simply isn’t there. If you want to disagree with the thousands of engineers who disagree with you. Fine. If you want to side with the government and their agencies e.g. media. Fine. I expect you believe in man-made climate change. I wouldn’t want you working on any product or structure near me.

294655 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Nigel Sherratt, replying to chaos, 10, #63 of 1591 🔗

MA, MICE me, you need to read reports by proper engineers. I was watching it on TV live and was amazed at the speed of failure so I took the time to educate myself about the details of the structure and fire proofing.

294656 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ chaos, replying to Nigel Sherratt, -44, #64 of 1591 🔗

you need to go fuck yourself.

294657 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Nigel Sherratt, replying to chaos, 8, #65 of 1591 🔗

At least you haven’t accused me of being AH yet.

294658 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ chaos, replying to Nigel Sherratt, -34, #66 of 1591 🔗

Are you still here? Engineer my arse.

294668 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Eliza P., replying to chaos, 14, #67 of 1591 🔗

obviously the recruiters of the 77th Brigade don’t have “literacy and politeness” as qualifications LOL

294749 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Suze Burtenshaw, replying to Eliza P., 9, #68 of 1591 🔗

I’ve noticed that, Eliza. Either they are educationally under par and therefore have limited ability to debate/use language to make their point, or they deliberately play down that aspect of communication by throwing around poorly constructed insults. They also use phrases like ‘you need to sort yourself out’, a lot. Pathetic way to earn a crust, in any case. 🙂

294919 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ OKUK, replying to chaos, 2, #69 of 1591 🔗

Can’t argue? Poor logic? Try name calling. It works sometimes.

294679 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Seansaighdeoir, replying to Nigel Sherratt, 8, #70 of 1591 🔗

What do the ‘proper engineers’ have to say about building 7? The one that collapsed without being hit but an aeroplane and the one NIST deemed not worthy of inclusion in the official report?

294802 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Thomas_E, replying to Seansaighdeoir, 4, #71 of 1591 🔗

He means the Architects for 9/11 truth. What do these people with all those qualifications know?

295747 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Nigel Sherratt, replying to Thomas_E, 1, #72 of 1591 🔗

Not much about structures I’m afraid, that’s why they rely on the humble engineer to make their fancy schemes stand up.

Remember how the Millenium ‘wobbly’ Bridge was Foster’s brilliant creation before opening and rapidly became Arup’s problem (which they fixed) once it started moving under synchronised pedestrians (who sychronised themselves to the motion increasing the problem)?

295737 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Nigel Sherratt, replying to Seansaighdeoir, 1, #73 of 1591 🔗

Conspiracy theorists have long claimed that explosives downed World Trade Center 7 , north of the Twin Towers. The long-awaited report from the National Institute of Standards and Technology (NIST) conclusively rebuts those claims. Fire alone brought down the building, the report concludes, pointing to thermal expansion of key structural members as the culprit. The report also raises concerns that other large buildings might be more vulnerable to fire-induced structural failure than previously thought.

By Arianne Cohen (Popular Mechanics, plenty of others available)
Aug 1, 2017

https://www.popularmechanics.com/technology/design/a3524/4278874/

295864 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ DavidC, replying to Nigel Sherratt, #74 of 1591 🔗

The NIST report didn’t discuss Building 7. NIST also refused to release details of the methodology of how its computer graphics showed the ‘falling into footprints’. I’m not an engineer, but THREE skyscrapers falling into their own footprints, one of which wasn’t hit by an airplane doesn’t seem possible to me. I also seem to remember (I could be wrong) that there were large insurance policies taken out on the buildings.

DavidC

295927 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Seansaighdeoir, replying to Nigel Sherratt, #75 of 1591 🔗

The Warren Report also said LHO was responsible for Kennedy’s murder. As you are using the pejorative ‘conspiracy theorist’ term above I will end the conversation as you obviously are not looking at this objectively.

I just notice you have a link to popular mechanics? The CIA funded house magazine? Thanks that’s cheered me up.

295470 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ richard riewer, replying to Nigel Sherratt, #76 of 1591 🔗

I watched one documentary that said that the structural integrity of the twin towers had been compromised during its construction, making it potentially susceptible to collapse in extreme conditions like intense heat generated by fire and chemicals mixing.

294895 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Richard Pinch, replying to chaos, 1, #77 of 1591 🔗

No steel framed skyscraper has ever completely fallen due to fire or aircraft impact.

Well, I’m. not an engineer, but I know a logical fallacy when I see one. A statement like this can only ever be a summary of what has happened in the world: it’s not an a priori truth. If you accept, as most people do, that a steel-framed skyscraper did fall as a result of an aircraft impact and consequent fire, then the statement in question is simply not a correct summary of what has happened in the world.

295051 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Seansaighdeoir, replying to Richard Pinch, 3, #78 of 1591 🔗

What about the steel framed skyscraper that fell that wasn’t hit by an aeroplane?

295206 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Richard Pinch, replying to Seansaighdeoir, #79 of 1591 🔗

Indeed, if it fell as a result of fire, that would also be an example that refuted the general proposition. Mind you, I’m not claiming to know whether it did or not, just commenting on the logic, or lack of it, in the original discussion.

295929 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Seansaighdeoir, replying to Nigel Sherratt, -1, #81 of 1591 🔗

Popular mechanics? Lol

295444 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Seansaighdeoir, replying to Richard Pinch, 1, #82 of 1591 🔗

This comment is itself a logical fallacy. What most people accept or not has no bearing on the truth. This is an appeal to populism and forms no basis or refutation or argument against the original point.

This logical fallacy is further compound by a circular logic saying that if in fact most people do accept that an airliner felled a skyscraper then this is sufficient to render the original point incorrect.

295580 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Richard Pinch, replying to Seansaighdeoir, -2, #83 of 1591 🔗

What most people accept or not has no bearing on the truth.

Well, I’d say it has something to do with the truth, although it is not determinative. I’m saying that if you accept that a steel-framed skyscraper was felled by an aircraft then it is a fallacy to also accept that no skyscraper has ever been felled by an aircraft.

295935 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Seansaighdeoir, replying to Richard Pinch, #84 of 1591 🔗

You complained of using logical fallacies butd are employing them yourself.

The truth is objective regardless of what most people think. If you accept that a skyscraper was felled by an aircraft unless you can either prove it or have definitive evidence it is not a fallacy to retain an open mind to other possibilities. That would the objective pov.

294917 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ OKUK, replying to chaos, 6, #85 of 1591 🔗

As far as I know, no other steeled skyscraper has had a jet airliner flown into it at speed. So I think we know who’s being prattisb here.

295091 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Nigel Sherratt, replying to chaos, #86 of 1591 🔗

Stay away from Natural History Museum, Selfridges, Harrods and lots of beautiful medieval country churches would be good advice in that case.

294664 ▶▶▶▶▶ Wayne Keogh, replying to Nigel Sherratt, 5, #87 of 1591 🔗

Nigel, please watch this video, you’re obviously one of the brainwashed…
https://youtu.be/6fsvwnRVVyY

294665 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Nigel Sherratt, replying to Wayne Keogh, 3, #88 of 1591 🔗

Beautiful Railway Bridge of the Silv’ry Tay!
Alas! I am very sorry to say

294669 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ chaos, replying to Nigel Sherratt, -8, #89 of 1591 🔗

You are going to compare a badly built 19th century bridge with a steel framed skyscraper? The mind boggles. Well. Yours does.

294703 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Nigel Sherratt, replying to chaos, 1, #90 of 1591 🔗

I used to look at the reused ‘High Girders’ as I cycled to work. One of my favourite so bad it’s good poems.

An interesting forensic case particularly the part played by beaumont egg. Did lead to Forth Railway Bridge so not all bad. Which brings us back to Hitchcock and LOEB, spooky!

For the stronger we our houses do build,
The less chance we have of being killed.

294804 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ davews, replying to Nigel Sherratt, 8, #91 of 1591 🔗

As also a Chartered Engineer, though not in mechanical/civil areas, I think we are dismissing Nigel too quickly. I think we were all amazed at the speed of the 911 collapses but it is not that unrealistic when you have fire, impact damage and weight factors. What it has to do with Covid and our infamous PCR test I am not sure.

294913 ▶▶▶▶▶ OKUK, replying to Nigel Sherratt, 2, #93 of 1591 🔗

Yep, there were accelerants in the building (think of all the plastics) that raised the temperature enough to melt metal. ..the molten metal can be seen dripping down in video.

295079 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Nigel Sherratt, replying to OKUK, 1, #94 of 1591 🔗

It’s not necessary to melt the steel, only to raise its temperature until it yields. The floors of the towers were concrete on metal deck supported on very long span light trusses and not robust enough to cope with damage from such a large aircraft (unlike the Empire State that survived a Mitchell bomber impact between 78th and 80th floors). Office design loads are low, not much more than domestic (in practice usually lower), the lighter you can get the floors the higher you can go. Impact damage and burning kerosene made the trusses yield. The trusses restrained the columns against buckling. Lose one floor and the factor of safety of the columns above and below is one quarter what it was so the columns fail (some already damaged by the impact and fire) and you’re in trouble.

No disrespect to Architects but if they knew much about structural design there would be no work for engineers.

294661 ▶▶▶ annie, replying to chaos, 19, #95 of 1591 🔗

Yeah, line, it’s a good thing we never went to the moon, because it’s made if green cheese and any attempt to tell you different is a conspiracy.

Gimme strength.

294670 ▶▶▶▶ chaos, replying to annie, -22, #96 of 1591 🔗

Aha.. what 12, 13 successful missions and forty years later no-one has gone back since? Alas this lie, this conspiracy has a shelf-life. In 50 years time when we still haven’t gone back, people are going to be more questioning. Then again, the digital effects now possible mean they can lie about a Mars mission.

Give you strength? I’d rather give you nothing.

294682 ▶▶▶▶▶ annie, replying to chaos, 7, #97 of 1591 🔗

I’ll take it.

294754 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Suze Burtenshaw, replying to annie, 2, #98 of 1591 🔗

His piles are playing up this morning, by the sound of it. I’ve heard they can make one awfully tetchy. 😉

294716 ▶▶▶▶▶ Cambridge N, replying to chaos, 8, #99 of 1591 🔗

Useful references:

1 Miss Anne Elk and her theory. Which is hers. https://www.dailymotion.com/video/x2oh8ia

2 A 100% non-fictional documentary on faking Mars landings. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Capricorn_One

294760 ▶▶▶▶▶ Burlington, replying to chaos, 2, #100 of 1591 🔗

Lovely Cheese Gromit!

294805 ▶▶▶▶▶ Thomas_E, replying to chaos, 3, #101 of 1591 🔗

Well apparently somebody recorded over all their data, so they do not know how to. You know what NASA means right, Never A Straight …Lying fucks

295666 ▶▶▶▶▶ Ed Turnbull, replying to chaos, 4, #102 of 1591 🔗

There were, in total, 17 Apollo missions not 12 or 13, only six of which landed on the lunar surface, the last being Apollo 17 which was 48 years ago. And, as for why we haven’t gone back…well, we have. We’ve sent numerous robotic probes and rovers – it’s far cheaper than sending people.

And, in reality, that’s what killed off Apollo – simple economic concerns. It was the same with the space shuttle – there are cheaper ways of getting people and materials into space and to the ISS.

294681 ▶▶▶▶ Seansaighdeoir, replying to annie, -3, #103 of 1591 🔗

I think that is known as a strawman…

294667 ▶▶▶ Eliza P., replying to chaos, #104 of 1591 🔗

Oh hello….do we say welcome to the 77th Brigade – or no?

294671 ▶▶▶▶ Eliza P., replying to Eliza P., #105 of 1591 🔗

BTW – out of interest – what salary/hours/etc do you all have?

294704 ▶▶▶▶▶ Nigel Sherratt, replying to Eliza P., 4, #106 of 1591 🔗

The wages of sin is death but the hours are good.

294757 ▶▶▶▶ Suze Burtenshaw, replying to Eliza P., 1, #107 of 1591 🔗

I read somewhere that this site was going to be targeted by them. Looks like that’s the case.

294694 ▶▶▶ Cambridge N, replying to chaos, 10, #108 of 1591 🔗

What about the Lizards?! Here’s a helpful picture:

https://thelesabre.com/41463/features/conspiracy-corner-lizard-people/

295542 ▶▶▶▶ cubby, replying to Cambridge N, 3, #109 of 1591 🔗

Oh Wow! So David Icke was right all along!

294730 ▶▶▶ Josephine K, replying to chaos, 20, #110 of 1591 🔗

Excuse me butting in…but what exactly has any of this got to do with why we are here on this site….please take your row over architecture elsewhere

294738 ▶▶▶▶ Seansaighdeoir, replying to Josephine K, 11, #111 of 1591 🔗

I thought we were here to discuss how a elite cabal of rich powerful interests were seeking to use a false flag event to re-order the world to their liking? What is happening now as a result of a false pandemic is tried and trusted formula that also happened as a result of 911.

Perhaps though some ‘conspiracies’ are more acceptable than others – or perhaps it is all just incompetence?

294971 ▶▶▶▶ RickH, replying to Josephine K, #112 of 1591 🔗

Exactly – a total waste of f.ing space and time.

295199 ▶▶▶▶ Edward, replying to Josephine K, 3, #113 of 1591 🔗

Exactly – I don’t mind a bit of off-topic stuff and sometimes do it myself (waffling on about Classic FM yesterday), but these lengthy exchanges are a waste of space here.

294742 ▶▶▶ LS99, replying to chaos, 1, #114 of 1591 🔗

Haven’t heard much about Ghislaine lately ….. will be interesting to see how that unfolds.

294799 ▶▶▶ Thomas_E, replying to chaos, 2, #115 of 1591 🔗

One correction, I think we did go to the Moon but a lot later. The first one was deffintly faked and filmed by Stanley Kubrick. Everything else, pretty spot on.

294912 ▶▶▶ Two-Six, replying to chaos, 5, #116 of 1591 🔗

Then there is BUILDING 7. That was explosively demolished. The Canadian engineering students ran a study for 10 years trying to simulate the collapse with modelling and the only conclusion they could come up with as to why the building collapsed, it was NOT hit by any planes, was that it was explosively demolished. We also have Mayor Juliani saying he got a call from the fire department saying they were going to “Pull it”.

And the BBC announced that building 7 had collapsed 20 minutes before it did actually “collapse”.
Yer
apart from all that. Trust in the official 911 fairytale.
Suckers

296182 ▶▶▶▶▶ Two-Six, replying to Nigel Sherratt, #118 of 1591 🔗

popular mechanics eh? lol
OK, so glad you cleared that up for me.

294960 ▶▶▶ RickH, replying to chaos, 1, #119 of 1591 🔗

Proud to not blindly swallow the shit spewed out daily by governments and their media mouthpieces.”

… but shit from other sources is OK!

Hello – Is that 77th Brigade speaking?

295329 ▶▶▶ David Grimbleby, replying to chaos, 1, #120 of 1591 🔗

Haven’t the Chinese found the Covid on the moon ?

295490 ▶▶▶▶ richard riewer, replying to David Grimbleby, -1, #121 of 1591 🔗

Covid Man. Sung by Elton John.

296126 ▶▶▶▶ Ceriain, replying to David Grimbleby, #122 of 1591 🔗

Yes.

294946 ▶▶ cubby, replying to Ceriain, 5, #123 of 1591 🔗

It doesn´t matter. Anyone who opposes them and not accept universal vaccination for whatever reason, will be labelled an anti-vaxxer. You are obviously a danger to the community and will be made to suffer if you raise your head above the parapet.

295495 ▶▶▶ richard riewer, replying to cubby, 1, #124 of 1591 🔗

Like Cool Hand Luke.

294634 captainbeefheart, 11, #125 of 1591 🔗

Captain 357 here, nothing significant to report.

If you want your freedom back, just be free.

Out through the night
An’ the whispering breezes
To the place where they keep
The Imaginary Diseases

https://youtu.be/HrmtAQvmfN8

294635 Cheshire Andy, replying to Cheshire Andy, 49, #126 of 1591 🔗

Another blood-boiling use of terminology on here…”anti-vaxxers”. This site must absolutely stop using the languague of the oppressors. I am beginning to wonder if this place is a trap and simply a charade purporting to oppose lockdowns and in reality is a survellance tool to identify those who shall be dealt with first when the time comes. Get your act together authors.

294640 ▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Cheshire Andy, 6, #127 of 1591 🔗

I visited Opiniums website and, while not locating that survey found the pastel blue and pink endemic throughout so it is probably their graphic rather than Wills.

294644 ▶▶ Barney McGrew, replying to Cheshire Andy, 23, #128 of 1591 🔗

Yes, it’s so easy to categorise oneself according to the classifications devised by others. If you had never heard of “anti-vaxxers” as a pre-defined group, you would operate in a rational continuum between trusting the genuine scientists and doctors who had gone before, and distrusting the politically-motivated vaccines commissioned by psychopaths who blatantly fiddle Covid statistics, trust PCR tests and think Neil Ferguson is the greatest.

Instead, there is now a force field around certain topics that makes them off-limits, simply because we fear classifying ourselves as “conspiracy theorists”. If someone had devised this as a system, you’d have to hand it to them that it’s quite clever.

294650 ▶▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Barney McGrew, 16, #129 of 1591 🔗

‘Blatantly fiddle Covid statistics’.
Local Live (mirror group news) still at it.
Yesterday’s lead article was ‘5 new Covid cases in County’. Turns out to be from five random dates going back to mid November.

Today’s lead ‘5 Covid deaths at city hospital’
Turns out to be the total of deaths over the past 4 days in which 1, 1, 1 and 2 people sadlidied with/of Covid.

294676 ▶▶▶ SweetBabyCheeses, replying to Barney McGrew, 5, #130 of 1591 🔗

💯 👏🏼 This ⬆️

294968 ▶▶ Darryl, replying to Cheshire Andy, 6, #131 of 1591 🔗

Yes, the people writing for Lockdown Sceptics must understand how the term has been weaponised by Big Pharma. In many parts of society you would be a social outcast and on mumsnet they would happily ships you off to a concentration camp.

Basically if you delay having one vaccine you are now a so called ‘anti-vaxxer’ all because of a sinister government agenda.

295209 ▶▶▶ Edward, replying to Darryl, 5, #132 of 1591 🔗

It’s similar to the use of the terms “racist” and “fascist” to close down debate on various topics.

295299 ▶▶▶ Dermot McClatchey, replying to Darryl, 2, #133 of 1591 🔗

Mumsnet is possibly the most unhealthily-anxious website I’ve ever seen.

296173 ▶▶▶▶ Borisbullshit, replying to Dermot McClatchey, #134 of 1591 🔗

Are there any yummy mummies on there though?

295249 ▶▶ Victoria, replying to Cheshire Andy, 2, #135 of 1591 🔗

Pro choice and informed decision

295496 ▶▶ richard riewer, replying to Cheshire Andy, #136 of 1591 🔗

Our oppressors are anti-human. And that’s a fact Jack.

294636 Cheshire Andy, replying to Cheshire Andy, 11, #137 of 1591 🔗

No Vaccine necessary. Ivermectin stops SARS-Cov2 in its tracks, no transmission, no disease. https://www.bitchute.com/video/s1nPYDj7KBEQ/

294641 ▶▶ chaos, replying to Cheshire Andy, 6, #138 of 1591 🔗

Lots of things stop viruses in a petri dish. Those of us with pets know that ivermectin sometimes causes issues even at the recommended dose. Large doses of vitamin D would likely be a better bet. Plus, there is no excess mortality. It’s all pointless.

294662 ▶▶▶ annie, replying to chaos, 13, #139 of 1591 🔗

Get vitamin D. Go outside.

294838 ▶▶ Derek Toyne, replying to Cheshire Andy, 2, #140 of 1591 🔗

I understand the vaccine is like the flu jab 95% remain well but as Van Tam stated recently “we don’t know how many can become infected. When I heard this I thought what’s he saying, that I could become infected after being vaccinated? Then I thought this covid vaccine is like the flu vaccine if you become infected your unlikely to become severely ill or die. Then I thought to myself do I really need the vaccine after all I am under 70 and have no health problems so how do I gain. I then looked at how many of us are uninfected, and discovered that more than 99% population are covid free. So you could say the lockdown is more effective than the vaccine, but as we all know lockdown have not only economic but also health and social consequences. I also believe lockdown has also prolonged the pandemic, Dr Mike Yeadon and Ivor Cummins constantly tell us that it ended June/ July. And I agree it should have if we had followed what we’ve done in all past pandemics. So where does the vaccine come into all this, as Dr Mike Yeadon says 30% have prior immunity and 30% have been infected and recovered. The WHO states we need 60% for herd immunity, remember a few weeks ago the government said there was no such thing. Yesterday a sage member on the BBC said the vaccine would give us herd immunity. Anyway what the vaccine does is enable the vulnerable to be protected, it’s the Great Barrington Declaration in action while the rest of society gets back to normal. So while I say yes to vaccines I say NO to mass vaccination and harmful affects.

295018 ▶▶▶ cubby, replying to Derek Toyne, 2, #141 of 1591 🔗

The makers of the vaccine do not claim that it prevents infection. They only claim that it reduces the severity of the infection.
Some people will react badly to the vaccine and die. Is it still worth it?

295218 ▶▶▶▶ Derek Toyne, replying to cubby, 1, #142 of 1591 🔗

Hello,
please re -read my message the point I am making is as you say the vaccine won’t prevent infections only the severity. This is why I say yes to vaccines but NO to mass vaccination which could lead to harm and deaths. At the end of the day people want to know what is the chance of dying from covid. My chance of death from covid is very low so I won’t bother but if I was elderly or had heart disease then I would consider it. As I work in the nhs every year I am offered the flu vaccine this year I didn’t bother as I’ve been taking vitamin D. But normally I have it and I’ve never had any problem in fact I always wonder did I actually get it. A free people should not be forced or denied a vaccine because of people on either side saying what is good for them.

295811 ▶▶▶▶▶ cubby, replying to Derek Toyne, 1, #143 of 1591 🔗

I was like you – vaccinations were a tiny part of my course work at uni and I never gave them a thought until the Wakefield affair in the eighties. Even then I was abroad and it got no coverage so my children were vaccinated (late). Then I started to inform myself after having a severe dose of ‘flu in 2019. What I found was astonishing.
For instance, ‘flu vaccine has not reduced pneumonia or influenza mortality in the USA.
You are 65% more likely to contract respiratory illnesses after the vaccine.
Flu vaccine does not reduce demand on hospitals.
The Jan 2020 US Pentagon Study found that the flu shot increases the risk from corona viruses by 36%.
Repeat flu vaccines increase the likelihood of vaccine failure.
These are from studies available on “PubMed” – the biggest medical library in the world from the “National institute of Health”.
Easier than reading medical journals if you are prepared to sleep with the devil is to look up “Children’s Health Defense”. Bobby Kennedy says he’s not anti vaccine, he’s pro health. There is a wealth of verifiable material on that website.
Vaccines emphatically do not protect the vulnerable. In some years the deaths from the ‘flu vaccine were higher than the ‘flu for the over 80s.
Your chance of dying from covid 19 is 0.05% for the under 70s. This is about the same chance as dying of choking on food. Maybe that’s why they’re closing the restaurants!

294974 ▶▶ RickH, replying to Cheshire Andy, #144 of 1591 🔗

There’s hopeful signs – but the same rigour needs to be applied as we do to mask, lockdown and vaccine evidence. Otherwise we’re just having a mud-fight

294646 karenovirus, replying to karenovirus, 14, #145 of 1591 🔗

Mark Carney is giving the Reith Lectures this year.
Yesterday he was outlining how Newton lost a fortune in the South Seas Bubble.
That boom clearly made no sense as did many things Mr Carney witnessed during his career.

“If things appear to make no sense it’s because they make no sense; don’t invest, run!”

Lockdown as a reaction to the Covid makes no sense . . .

294649 ▶▶ Nigel Sherratt, replying to karenovirus, 8, #146 of 1591 🔗

God protect us from woke Canadians. Cambridge U. Vice-Chancellor is another.

294680 ▶▶ annie, replying to karenovirus, 11, #147 of 1591 🔗

Also an illustration of how a towering genius can at the same time be a naive and gullible fool. We have all been marvelling at the idiocy of the ‘intelligent’ Covizombies we all know.
We have no Newtons now. But I wonder what the late Stephen Hawking – a ‘vulnerable’ person if ever there was one – would have made of the curfent bollox.

295213 ▶▶▶ Edward, replying to annie, 1, #148 of 1591 🔗

I’ve posted before that I claim no expertise in cosmology but I never thought much of Hawking’s opinions outside of his specialist field.

295304 ▶▶▶▶ Dermot McClatchey, replying to Edward, #149 of 1591 🔗

Me neither. He was as entitled to put forward opinions on a wide range of matters as we all are, but there was always the implication that because he was a Professor of Mathematics his views on absolutely anything should be accorded an especial reverence.

295347 ▶▶▶▶ David Grimbleby, replying to Edward, #150 of 1591 🔗

Sheldon Cooper couldn’t tie his shoelace..

294708 ▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to karenovirus, 8, #151 of 1591 🔗

Goes to show that intelligence and genuis doesn’t mean that they’re immune from gullibility. I always like to use my in-laws as an example – experts in their field but believe in the existence of the Magic Money Tree & couldn’t run a lemonade stand even if their lives depended on it,

294809 ▶▶ mhcp, replying to karenovirus, 2, #152 of 1591 🔗

He initially made a killing. But then when so many friends were investing he got carried away by the mania and ended up losing much more.

294647 Ed Phillips, replying to Ed Phillips, 47, #153 of 1591 🔗

Aaaarrrgghhhh!!!
I’m glad there’s a group called Recovery Scotland trying to help schoolchildren but this frustrates me:

“Disruption to learning could easily be reduced by improving testing strategy and protocol, which would address the issues of the generation of false positives from this test – which is undoubtedly resulting in many being identified as infected and infectious with Covid when they are not.”

Disruption can be ended today by STOPPING THE WHOLE STUPID CIRCUS!!!!!!

Stop playing the enemy’s game.
None of this is right, moral or necessary. It needs to end. Now.
Not be tweaked or improved. Ended. Now. Forever.

295806 ▶▶ Ben, replying to Ed Phillips, 3, #154 of 1591 🔗

Even if they found a cold – let people get back to their lives. Scrap lockdowns, restrictions, Covid laws etc.. Demand old normal

294648 Nigel Sherratt, replying to Nigel Sherratt, 3, #155 of 1591 🔗

LOEB! The apparatchiks are really taking the piss now.

Nathan Freudenthal Leopold Jr. and Richard Albert Loeb , usually referred to collectively as Leopold and Loeb , were two wealthy students at the University of Chicago who in May 1924 kidnapped and murdered 14-year-old Bobby Franks in Chicago.

Perhaps they’re Hitchcock fans?

295220 ▶▶ Edward, replying to Nigel Sherratt, #156 of 1591 🔗

Patrick Hamilton’s play “Rope” and Hitchcock’s film of it are based on that murder. Maybe you knew that already!

294659 cloud6, replying to cloud6, 6, #157 of 1591 🔗

I see the MSM are keeping their own rule breaking very quiet, hardly a peep from them.

Kay Burley “should be held to account” after breaking Covid rules.

The Sky News presenter reportedly celebrated her 60th birthday party with a group of ten colleagues, with four group members ending up at her London home.

Another case of one rule for them and another for us.

294675 ▶▶ karenovirus, replying to cloud6, 6, #158 of 1591 🔗

It’s in the Sun, see post by Nobody2020 above and Alison Pearson gave her a mauling in the Telegraph, todays roundup.

294683 ▶▶ SweetBabyCheeses, replying to cloud6, 27, #159 of 1591 🔗

The haughty hypocrisy of these “slebs” is annoying but the thing that bothers me most is their grovelling apologies when they inevitably get caught out. Is the restriction breaker super-injunction next?!

What I’d really like them to do is say “yes I had a massive party. We drank, we sang, we danced, we ate finger food rather than substantial meals, I ended up going home with the sexy waiter and it was all bloody good fun. F all your stupid rules”.

294686 ▶▶▶ annie, replying to SweetBabyCheeses, 5, #160 of 1591 🔗

Agree. But their advertising sponsors would then cut off the cash. It pays to grovel.

294701 ▶▶▶▶ SweetBabyCheeses, replying to annie, 4, #161 of 1591 🔗

I agree that people usually have short memories and will forgive the slebs for their indiscretions but I’m not so sure on covid mania…it’s shoved down our throats 24/7 and everyone has endured some level of sacrifice to the alter of the Beloved NHS. Could be the end of her career?

294835 ▶▶▶ Nobody2020, replying to SweetBabyCheeses, 1, #162 of 1591 🔗

According to The Sun, two people at the Burley celebrations have signed non disclosures.

295228 ▶▶▶ Edward, replying to SweetBabyCheeses, #163 of 1591 🔗

Exactly, they should come out as full sceptics if that’s what they actually think. But annie makes a good point about the sponsors.

294711 ▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to cloud6, 12, #164 of 1591 🔗

And she was one of the worst offenders of this shit show. Not as bad as Piers Morgan but equally complicit as well. To be honest, I felt a degree of schadenfreude when I heard about it.

294723 ▶▶ stefarm, replying to cloud6, 11, #165 of 1591 🔗

The cynic in me sees this as a stitch up job, I don’t give a toss what she does but the ‘one rule for me…’ annoys me the most, They know it’s all crap they just haven’t got the guts to tell us we are being conned.

294950 ▶▶ Two-Six, replying to cloud6, 3, #166 of 1591 🔗

I will never forget Kay Burleys “travel” slots during peak-lockdown when she would go to an outside broadcaster in a tourist hot-spot, like Venice, or Las Vegas, or the pyramids in Egypt and then ask the on-location person what was going on where they were.

“Well Kay, it’s empty, there is nobody here!”
Kay would then cackle manically, hahah so funny, there are no tourists at all!
Kay Burley should be prosecuted for crimes against humanity.

294663 annie, replying to annie, 39, #167 of 1591 🔗

Lots of fuss in the top article above about the conditions in which ‘dangerous’ samples are being kept, and how they are being handled by inexperienced numpties.
So how many of these numpties have themselves tested positive, fallen ill, or sadlidied as a result of working in this awful, dangerous, perilous, lethal, highly contagious environment? I think we should be told.

294687 ▶▶ SweetBabyCheeses, replying to annie, 14, #168 of 1591 🔗

Very few at all I would imagine have succumbed to the symptomless pox. However, I am genuinely concerned about all the genuine nasties that these poor people might be breathing in. There’s a reason that we have v clever noses hair filters and I really wouldn’t want to breathe in the contents of someone else’s. Bit like snacking on a strangers hoover filter.

294770 ▶▶ GiftWrappedKittyCat, replying to annie, 5, #169 of 1591 🔗

I’d put money on it being absolutely none.

294666 Steve Martindale, replying to Steve Martindale, 28, #170 of 1591 🔗

When we visited Nigeria a few years ago we were taken aback to see how the whole country seems to run on a system of road-blocks. Some were just about local disputes and anyone not local was waved through, others were more intimidating with gun toting military, para military or police officials, these seemed to be a trial of importance and status. I remember being astonished when at one road-block our daughter-in-law got out of the car and bawled out 2 intimidating machine gun toting paramilitaries, the boss man in the hut decided she could be trouble and gave the men the nod and they backed off , waved us through and wished us a good day. A system based on trials of strength and will and intimidation, how different to the UK we thought!
Then this virus hoo-haa started and the UK police seem to have been to the Nigerian school of policing. There was a report yesterday of the Police threatening someone with a £10,000 fine unless he turned off his Christmas lights. As I understand it the Police cannot fine you, only a court can do that, what they are doing is issuing you with a fixed penalty notice which, in a way, is a bit like a threat from a gun toting Nigerian road block, basically they are saying, do what we say or pay us £10,000 or we will ask the CPS to summons you for an offence. Clearly most people want to avoid the legal system and back off. I am no lawyer and so these are only my observations but these virus regulations are effectively civil law matters, inherently they do not give any powers of arrest as none of the offences carry a custodial sentence, they only allow for fines to be issued.

It would be interesting to know what would have happened if the man with the Christmas lights had refused to turn them off and refused the offer of a fixed penalty notice; would the CPS have issued a summons? Indeed does anyone know if anybody issued with a fixed penalty notice under any virus regs has refused the notice and insisted on the Police requesting the CPS to issue a summons? It does seem to me that the Police are using this fixed penalty notice system as a sophisticated form of a Nigerian paramilitary roadblock.

294678 ▶▶ annie, replying to Steve Martindale, 3, #171 of 1591 🔗

What was wring with his lights?

294688 ▶▶▶ Steve Martindale, replying to annie, 9, #172 of 1591 🔗

They were quite dramatic and he had put them up to raise money for mental health charities, they were so good they attracted a crowd which the police deemed to be against virus regs and so they threatened him with a FPN unless he turned them off.

294741 ▶▶▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Steve Martindale, 8, #173 of 1591 🔗

I doubt if ‘inciting others to break Covid regs’ is either a civil or criminal offence.

294692 ▶▶ Tom Blackburn, replying to Steve Martindale, 5, #174 of 1591 🔗

Piers Corbyn got off his FPNs and – whatever our views on the ethics/legalities – he must have been the most flagrant breacher going!

294693 ▶▶ SweetBabyCheeses, replying to Steve Martindale, 12, #175 of 1591 🔗

I’m no expert either but I think it’s still criminal not civil dispute. (That’s not to say that the law isn’t being used in ways it wasn’t intended to be and that it’s all bs anyway without parliamentary scrutiny). I think you’re taking more about summons vs indictment (or could be thought of as charges heard in Magistrates vs Crown court).
Can still be arrested for either, although from what I’ve heard from the protests a lot of these are utter bs too ie. being arrested for BOP or some silly corona offence but then later conveniently de-arrested so that there’s no paperwork trail. So all’s that’s happened is you’ve been removed and deposited elsewhere aka kidnap.
The bottom line is that no one should be accepting/paying a FPN and should be opting to have their case heard in front of a Magistrate with a solicitor. I doubt that the CPS will EVER opt to prosecute ANY of these. They struggle to even prosecute rapists.

294788 ▶▶ dhpaul, replying to Steve Martindale, 3, #176 of 1591 🔗

I stand to be corrected but a report I saw was that the public were entering his garden to see the lights so were going against the numbers rules bollox. Presumably if they had congregated individually in the street the police couldn’t use that excuse.

294811 ▶▶ Iansn, replying to Steve Martindale, 4, #177 of 1591 🔗

I lived there for three years and back up your observations. I was travelling in a convoy with the US Rangers to meet someone at the local airport, a lot of brand new Toyota Landcruisers – high value items. The area boys armed with baseball bats stopped us and beckoned to pull over to the side of the road. The sergeant next to me leaned back in his seat and showed them his pistol, salutes all round and smiles and we were on or way.Power is a loaded gun.

294672 Paulus, 5, #178 of 1591 🔗

Local press indicating that Redcar & Cleveland Council is biting at the bit to trial lateral flow testing, but it won’t be on the scale of Liverpool. However if you get a positive lateral flow test you need a highly accurate PCR test to confirm the infection, go figure that one. I wonder why negatives don’t need testing with PCR as well, would be a real shame for the madness to stop!

294674 CivilianNotCovidian, replying to CivilianNotCovidian, 21, #179 of 1591 🔗

So many great choices:

Safe vaxxer
Vaccine aware
Vaccine cautious
Select vaxxer
Moderate vaxxer
Conservative vaxxer
Consent-only vaxxer

Can we STOP this derogatory “anti-vaxxer” lumping together of anyone who isn’t drooling and panting with excitement about being injected with a barely-tested potentially ineffective, clearly highly allergenic solution that has been completely mis-sold as a “vaccine” (since it does not guarantee immunity). It is offensive both to all who fall into the above categories AND the genuine anti-vaxxers who are being horrifically smeared by MSM and government.

Please!

It’s like calling all those with genuine, well-researched theories as to what the hell has GONE WRONG in the world “conspiracy theorists”.

I highly recommend this essay by the extraordinary Charles Eisenstein. Long but worth absorbing everything word… we ignore his warnings at our peril! He also explains how many of us have found ourselves in a strange and unfamiliar political lane because those we thought we identified with have turned into brainwashed zombies…

https://charleseisenstein.org/essays/from-qanons-dark-mirror-hope/

He says:

“The crisis in sense, meaning and identity doesn’t just push people into cults and conspiracy theories, it also makes mainstream belief systems more cult-like.”

Read it. It’s brilliant!

294689 ▶▶ Tom Blackburn, replying to CivilianNotCovidian, 2, #180 of 1591 🔗

They can call me what they want. Genuinely don’t mind.

294695 ▶▶ chaos, replying to CivilianNotCovidian, 11, #181 of 1591 🔗

I am anti-vax because I am anti-big pharma. I recognise the value of some medications e.g. salbutamol for asthma. But I also recognise that vitamin D greatly reduces asthma symptoms, as do somewhat healthier substances like forskolin and ephedrine and acetyl cysteine. Though I also recognise that similar to aspirin, salbutamol is a safe medication.

I am anti-vax. Because I am anti-big pharma. I care not what the masked sheeple have been made to ‘think’. Big-pharma is a business.

294698 ▶▶▶ CGL, replying to chaos, 5, #182 of 1591 🔗

And that’s fine and dandy – some of us don’t feel the same. Each to his own

294699 ▶▶▶▶ chaos, replying to CGL, -21, #183 of 1591 🔗

feel free to jab yourself in the cock with my dose bud.

294709 ▶▶ calchas, replying to CivilianNotCovidian, 7, #184 of 1591 🔗

Read it.

The crisis is not one of ‘sense, meaning and identity’, but a financial and economic crisis, which has produced gradually declining living standards in the West since 2000 to 2008, and which is about to tip over into collapse, which is why we are seeing this anticipatory power grab, which will fail in its attempt to control those huge economic forces.

295056 ▶▶ Kevin 2, replying to CivilianNotCovidian, 3, #185 of 1591 🔗

‘Proponent of evidence-based medicine and informed consent’ does it for me.

Of course that means I’m not enthused by lots of medical interventions which don’t have an adequate evidence base, of which quite a few just happen to be vaccines…

But you could add many others such as statins, anti-depressants, any opioids, checkpoint inhibitors for cancer treatment etc etc.

294690 Awkward Git, 10, #186 of 1591 🔗

For those who wanted it earlier on in the week here is the video of the momentous quote from CMO Chris Whitty on the 21st July 2020:

“If you look at the R, and the behaviours, quite a lot of the change that led to the R going below one occurred well before, or to some extent before, the 23rd, when the full lockdown started.”

Here is a link to a video I had made for me by parliamentlivetv of the relevant section of the committee hearing:

https://1drv.ms/v/s!Agv7JEO8MngCiSmT-rY5ChSI9LV-

It’s 23 MB so too big too e-mail.

You can download it yourself on their website – set the start time at 10:58:00 and end time as 11:01 – their instructions are easy to follow.

294700 Danny, replying to Danny, 21, #187 of 1591 🔗

In terms of the latest diatribe from Vallance, can’t these loons simply be dismissed for unprofessional conduct?
They are “Advisors” to the government, paid by us.
They should not have a platform at all to voice their own beliefs.

294702 ▶▶ Tom Blackburn, replying to Danny, 14, #188 of 1591 🔗

I refute their guidance like I refute their made up weekly recommended units of alcohol.

294720 ▶▶ Paulus, replying to Danny, 13, #189 of 1591 🔗

As Thatcher said advisors advise, ministers decide though of course for that you actually need a leader who can make a decision. The fact that members of Sage are constantly given star status in the press and actively brief against Government should be a fast track out of a job, unless it is all part of the dark arts.

295832 ▶▶ Ben, replying to Danny, #190 of 1591 🔗

Sir Patrick Vaccine-Shares has his dividends to think of

294705 CivilianNotCovidian, replying to CivilianNotCovidian, 75, #191 of 1591 🔗

It is all BARBARIC!

The elderly physically isolated, with no face of a loved one to see and no arms around them… BARBARIC!

Children driven to daily tears as they are made to freeze in icy cold classrooms… BARBARIC!

Perfectly healthy students locked up for 14 days in substandard accommodation without decent food… BARBARIC!

Women forced to face devastating miscarriages, bleeding and in excruciating pain, ALONE in hospital without a partner by their side… BARBARIC!

People hospitalised with fatally severe cases of COPD and pneumonia forced to DIE ALONE… BARBARIC!

Families unable to say a final goodbye to their loved ones who are dying alone in hospital… BARBARIC!

Stroke sufferers dying alone at home because no one was there to call for help… BARBARIC!

Vulnerable people (elderly, low-level NHS staff, care home workers) bullied and cajoled into being vaccinated with an under-tested vaccine against a virus they would have caught by now if they were ever going to get it, at risk of allergic reaction and other complications, and without any recourse if they are harmed by it… BARBARIC!

Children locked up with abusive carers because they’ve fallen off the radar and social services are virtually nonexistent… BARBARIC

Victims of domestic abuse unheard and ignored… BARBARIC!

Children accused of KILLING their grandparents if they hug them… BARBARIC!

General population forced to inhibit their oxygen intake, re-ingest their exhaled bacteria, stripped of their identity and denied the right to read other people’s facial expressions through face covering mandates and coercion… BARBARIC!

School children forced to eat with their fingers… BARBARIC!

Human beings everywhere denied the right to perform basic, necessary human functions such as breathing, exercising, embracing, socialising, working…

It’s all BEYOND BARBARIC.

We are at war. Against what or whom is not entirely clear, but we have been attacked and we need to rise up and defend our rights.

We need a leader. Someone NEW. Politically neutral. Scientifically savvy. Fearless and feisty. Suggestions?

294739 ▶▶ kh1485, replying to CivilianNotCovidian, 22, #192 of 1591 🔗

Fantastic post. What you have posted here should be the headlines on every single newspaper. They are complicit in this tyranny.

294962 ▶▶ Two-Six, replying to CivilianNotCovidian, 1, #193 of 1591 🔗

Yarrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr!
I am going out to kill kittens!
Bastards!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

295118 ▶▶ Bella, replying to CivilianNotCovidian, 6, #194 of 1591 🔗

Pretty much exactly how I feel. And I think until we rise up in numbers the barbarism will get worse. You said it: we’re at war. Who with? Those who accept this and do not feel that what is being done to us is barbaric.

295944 ▶▶ Caroline Watson, replying to CivilianNotCovidian, 2, #195 of 1591 🔗

Absolutely right. I spent Tuesday night on FaceTime with my father who had suddenly lost his wife of nearly 60 years while she was in a hospice for respite care (not my mother -he was a bad lad!). It broke my heart to sit 200 miles away and see a 90 year old man crying. He is having tests for bowel cancer and says he probably won’t have treatment and might never see me again. He will because, as soon as he’s had the vaccine, I shall be down there (he thinks it will protect him and, at his age, that’s what matters!). Meanwhile, he has to get through the funeral and Christmas without me. I am in tier 3, would probably be stopped on the A1, and there’s nowhere open to stay when I get there. As you say, barbaric.

296230 ▶▶ Elisabeth, replying to CivilianNotCovidian, #196 of 1591 🔗

oh man I had to save that. That was awesome.

294706 Awkward Git, replying to Awkward Git, 21, #197 of 1591 🔗

Delivered a load of covid tests I’d collected from various pharmacies (stored in black bags in plastic bins where they get put by the home testers) earlier on in the week to a “lab”.

The “lab” was part of a building on an industrial estate, rang the bell, shutter door opened onto a dirty warehouse receiving area, unmasked, unPPE’d young woman takes the plastic bags without a word, closes shutter door.

While getting ready to leave 2 more drivers arrive, exactly the same happens, looking in from a distance there was nothing lab like about the place inside or out except the sign with the company’s name on it.

All very strange, like a speakeasy in reverse.

294963 ▶▶ Two-Six, replying to Awkward Git, 3, #198 of 1591 🔗

Very very sleezy and shady isn’t it?

294707 TJN, replying to TJN, 11, #199 of 1591 🔗

Troubling article by Ms Jacobs in The Telegraph today.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2020/12/10/lockdown-sceptics-risk-total-failure-unless-drastic-change-strategy/

Starts:

Lockdown-sceptics have reached the toughest moment in the war against the Covidarian state. We are losing. We are exhausted. But we are also confused. For some, suspicion towards the problem has morphed into suspicion towards the solutions.

Those of us who just want it all to end, meanwhile, oscillate wildly between desperation to swallow the Christmas fairytale of vaccines liberating us within weeks and – as tighter measures loom – feelings of outraged humbug.

In other words, the opposition has become a hot mess …

Ends:

We also shouldn’t be so quick to dismiss the likes of vaccine passports to enter restaurants. Trading our data in order to access a private service is merely the Facebook business model. At the very least, we should attempt a Sunsteinian cost-benefit analysis of such suggestions. Many lockdown-sceptics who want life to go back to normal will have limited patience for such long-term, left-field thinking. But our defeats to date have been so resounding that it’s time not just for urgent action, but urgent soul-seeking too.

Looks as if Economic Collapse remains our best hope. God help us all.

294792 ▶▶ Mabel Cow, replying to TJN, 15, #200 of 1591 🔗

Trading our data in order to access a private service is merely the Facebook business model.”

Aye, and I don’t do that Facebook shite either.

Being injected with goop to be allowed to exist as a normal human is not a line I will cross.

It’s a symbolic thing for me: I don’t fear the goop, I fear the society we will create when everyone agrees that their body can be violated because some oily prick politician says so.

I would make one exception to my rule: I would submit to the goop if it was the only thing standing between me and leaving this country forever.

First, however, I’d need to find somewhere worth going to. It would be a bit tragic to run away to Tanzania just to die of typhoid three months later.

294967 ▶▶▶ Two-Six, replying to Mabel Cow, 1, #201 of 1591 🔗

You might get the East African Face Eating Virus as well. Much worse than covid.

294819 ▶▶ arfurmo, replying to TJN, 6, #202 of 1591 🔗

Comments are not in favour -one such comment “Sherelle – have you just completed your obligatory retraining course in journalism at the Ministry of Truth?”

294820 ▶▶ Thomas_E, replying to TJN, 13, #203 of 1591 🔗

This is what I have been saying for months now, see my old posts if you do not believe me. WE ARE NOT WINNING in any shape of form. We are like 1945 German Army hoping for a miracle while surrounded on all sides by the Soviets, Americans, British, French..This started as fringe resistance, now we are the enemy of the 99% of the population in in their eyes. Crazy no-mask wearing, anti vaxxer scumbags who want to kill granny, let it rip , believe in this nonsense heard immunity and are now endangering their future in every shape or form. We have no high profile members or speak person, zero. Forget Toby and Delingpole, some 3rd rate celebrities’ from women’s talk shows. Nobody knows who these people are..Well almost nobody. Imagine Prince William saying stop this nonsense with the Lockdowns..The MSM would explode and they would not be able to dismiss the future King of Britain as a crazy crackpot. It will never, ever happen but just imagine.. We are losing every day more and more and all we can do is to have each other back.The war is lost but we fight on like those Japanese soldiers in Philipino jungles..

294988 ▶▶▶ Spikedee1, replying to Thomas_E, 4, #204 of 1591 🔗

I do agree. But remember we are against the MSM. Even Donald Trump, supposedly the most powerful man in the world has been bought down by their lies. To use your war analogy we are the resistance. The resistance did not beat the Nazi’s but they never stopped letting them know they were not conquered. That is our job, acts of defiance, underground meetings, leaflet drops. Short of popping a cap into the pig tyrant it’s all we have.

294710 Poppy, replying to Poppy, 59, #205 of 1591 🔗

A thought I’ve had: perhaps the reason why there is so little popular pushback against this lunacy is because at the end of the day, it’s still quite easy to ignore restrictions and quietly get on with life. I see so many cars on the road where I am; where are they all going? So many people in town; if they were truly scared, would they be out at all?

Although lockdowns and restrictions have a ruinous impact on society as a whole and their long-term consequences won’t properly manifest for some years, I believe that individuals are fundamentally selfish and don’t care because it doesn’t really affect them on a personal level. They either ignore the rules; don’t have much of a life so nothing much has changed; or the thrill of virtue signalling and being the star of their own sci-fi disaster film is more important to them than their own family or jobs.

Thoughts?

294717 ▶▶ Tom Blackburn, replying to Poppy, 18, #206 of 1591 🔗

Most people are outwardly a bedwetter but inwardly sceptics?

294726 ▶▶▶ annie, replying to Tom Blackburn, 28, #207 of 1591 🔗

I know quite a few that are tetering between the two. They nappy themselves because they believe that not to do so means an instant firing squad. They can’t bring themselves to believe that Covvie is not dangerous, because they’ve been told so many lies that truth doesn’t exist for them any more.

294731 ▶▶▶ Poppy, replying to Tom Blackburn, 30, #208 of 1591 🔗

Yes I suspect that as well, especially with the masks. People disagree with them but just go along with it for a quiet life and to not break the law, despite either not realising or ignoring the wider impact ignorance and compliance will have on society as a whole.

294732 ▶▶▶▶ Tom Blackburn, replying to Poppy, 27, #209 of 1591 🔗

The day mandatory masking ends, it is all over.

294973 ▶▶▶▶▶ Two-Six, replying to Tom Blackburn, 10, #210 of 1591 🔗

This cannot happen soon enough.
BASTARDS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

295252 ▶▶▶▶ Edward, replying to Poppy, 3, #211 of 1591 🔗

I agree with your main analysis above. As for the masks, like many on this site I hate the sight of the masked masses, and some of them do look miserable and zombie-like. But conversely I often see and hear two or three masked people chatting casually as if there was nothing unusual about it. I hate the normalisation of mask wearing but not everyone wearing it has become a zombie.

294725 ▶▶ calchas, replying to Poppy, 29, #212 of 1591 🔗

Belief in the hoax is much more fragile than we think on here.

People tend to go along to get along, and the truth is that many people stilll think they have a lot to lose by sticking their necks out in a situation where because of isolation one things one is possibly alone in one’s opinion. Many of them do have a lot to lose – still.

I am expecting things to remain quiet until the end of winter, with people remaining in hibernation mode. As things warm up in April and May we could be facing far more civil disturbance, depending on economic developments.

Whatever the timing, as public finances deteriorate and standards of living (the critical factor) fall, more and more people will have less and less to lose.

Ultimately, I believe nothing will hinder public fury.

294970 ▶▶▶ Two-Six, replying to calchas, 2, #213 of 1591 🔗

A special celebrity version of Strictly in February will ensure harmonious docility amonst the sheeple. Don’t worry.

294735 ▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to Poppy, 32, #214 of 1591 🔗

They either ignore the rules; don’t have much of a life so nothing much has changed; or the thrill of virtue signalling and being the star of their own sci-fi disaster film is more important to them than their own family or jobs.

I see a lot of this with young people I know – with their masked selfies and going out and about with their muzzles. Posting about being kind and kindness on one hand then on the other berating people who have different views to them and those who can’t and won’t wear masks as selfish.

Whoever said that this is a pandemic for the social media age is right and it allows people to show off that they’re “doing their bit” on a wider stage through their Facebook, Twitter & Instagram accounts.

294736 ▶▶▶ Tom Blackburn, replying to Bart Simpson, 14, #215 of 1591 🔗

Have said this from the start. This is a pandemic for the Blue Peter classes.

294740 ▶▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to Tom Blackburn, 8, #216 of 1591 🔗

Indeed. I know someone who has been showing off all the muzzles she’s been making from her sewing machine & saying that she’s going to give them away as gifts!

294806 ▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Poppy, 15, #217 of 1591 🔗

Most people don’t go to pubs, most people don’t eat out, go to the theatre, cinema, gym or tattoo parlour.
Only minority use libraries or swimming pools; most people working from home are comfortable with it and most retail can be replaced with online shopping.

294994 ▶▶ Spikedee1, replying to Poppy, 8, #218 of 1591 🔗

True Poppy, I saw no difference between lockdown and tier 2 in terms of movement. More shops were open this time and life was normal for most folks. I think it will be more relevant in summer if this crap is still going on and people want to go abroad. I have heard most people ignore the testing positive and just get on with their lives.

295372 ▶▶ David Grimbleby, replying to Poppy, 4, #219 of 1591 🔗

Is it now a shared sort of religion? All the believers take part in meaningless rituals to obtain some safety or protection from death, and see unbelievers as heretics?

295950 ▶▶ GenXchick71, replying to Poppy, 3, #220 of 1591 🔗

Normally just a lurker here. I live on the west coast of the USA (AKA crazy land). Lockdowns on the west coast have been pretty strict, mandatory masks etc… One of the reasons why people go along with it IS because it’s not effecting them. They are privileged to be able to work from home or continue to work at their office, buy food pay rent etc… So really these lock downs are just an inconvenience. Big deal, they can’t eat out, go to a movie or hang out with friends. In their minds it will end in another year or so and things will go back to normal. Now blue collar Steve or single mom Tina have both lost their jobs. They are unable to get unemployment because our system is so broken that people who filed in March still haven’t been paid. They can’t pay their rent, utilities or even food. So now they spend a good part of their day standing in a food bank line. These people will be buried in debt for years after this is over. This is truly the elephant in the room NO ONE wants to talk about, the working poors and mental health. Do you know how fast all this BS would end if the privileged work from home class and the retired on social security people lost their incomes? I have started reminding my social security friends that the less people there are working means less people paying into SS so their money may dry up too and they can just go suck it. Actually as awful as it sounds I want to see this happen just so these assholes who love lockdowns can suffer too. Anyhoo, hello from the USA.

296172 ▶▶▶ sam, replying to GenXchick71, 1, #221 of 1591 🔗

all my friends inn california are followers of the new religion . masks etc . so glad you’re not from fellow american lurker

296181 ▶▶▶▶ Borisbullshit, replying to sam, #222 of 1591 🔗

Unfriend them then.

296209 ▶▶▶▶▶ sam, replying to Borisbullshit, #223 of 1591 🔗

they are not annoying though and otherwise nice ,whereas my 2 best friends[ not there] are very annoying about it will wait to see if they will desert their newfound religion . will try to ge t them to, hasn’t worked so far so for now not speaking much at all. the feeling is mutual am sure

so for now they are ‘ un friended ‘ mutual decision am sure

295955 ▶▶ Caroline Watson, replying to Poppy, 1, #224 of 1591 🔗

I agree. Most people are now largely ignoring it or, at least, making their own accommodations, which they justify; ‘It’s only my daughter’s boyfriend’, etc.

294712 stefarm, replying to stefarm, 96, #225 of 1591 🔗

Morning all, this rambling piece could go in any direction and as I’m not brain of Britain I might get a few things wrong.

I’ve been reflecting partly on the back of the Monday edition of UK Column showing the deeply sad and distressing video of the lady trying to visit her elderly mother in a care home, the lady was wheeled to the window, visibly distressed and confused. The daughter was demanding to be let in to see her mother, of course she was refused, the lady became agitated and in response the care worker lowered the blinds and wheeled her mother away. A disgusting way to treat any human being which brought a tear to my eye, what would I of done? I tell myself would of smashed the door down, but who knows. I’ve also been reflecting on the some of the great data presented by some of you and Ivor Cummings as well as some of the debate and comments.

IMO the data is not reliable, it clearly shows a peak in April and then some ripples. On face value the pandemic is over. Just how reliable is the data though, we know the PCR test is flawed. I’m in agreement that the elderly were deliberately cleared out of hospitals and put into care homes, these are weak, frail people. Barring unreliable PCR tests who is to say they were +, most likely literally scared to death or left to die from starvation or dehydration. They most certainly were ‘low hanging fruit’, who’s to say care home staff didn’t run away scared for their life and leave them (some anecdotal evidence that this happened in european countries).

The report on the front page shows up the PCR testing as a complete fraud, we have debated here since day 1, bad practice, >30 cycles and we know it doesn’t prove people are infectious. The biggest lie of the lot.

What is my experience you ask (or failing that, fucking hell he’s off again). I’ve been going about my normal business but normal for me is going to the pub, for a meal, football, day at the races and gigs, this upsets me the most, no gigs.

We have been to the pub but it wasn’t a particularly nice experience and one we won’t repeat. We are both not massive high street shoppers but want the freedom of choice to have a day in town window shopping.

I haven’t worn a mask and don’t intend to, don’t follow the 1 way systems and do not cover my hands in the monkey spunk. My OH hasn’t been out much, out of choice and for her own mental wellbeing, she isn’t as vitriolic as me but knows what is happening and what our future might be.

December, January and February we were going out, socialising as normal!!!. A week before lockdown we went on a pub crawl, a week before that we were with 10,000 other people standing in the SECC Glasgow.

From day 1 I’ve been going to the supermarket once a week and I have never seen anybody who looks remotely sick, coughing sneezing or complaining. I’ve only see scared, depressed and downtrodden people who are scared of their own shadow. I’ve done my best to smile at them and show them up for what they are as well as try to engage them in conversation and ask them to THINK AND QUESTION!!.

I’m fed up working at home and fed up with MS Teams and Zoom. I’ve educated myself in some interesting and sometimes worrying theories and information but I am not scared for me just scared for us – society.

MSM and those in power are the virus, just seeing the picture of Sturgeon and Swinney on the front page hiding behind their masks makes me sick, it’s not about a virus which might actually be a new novel virus that done it’s worst in April or might be the normal everyday flu. It’s about power, greed and opportunity. Same with the vaccine, there is no vaccine, more smoke and mirrors to confuse and scare. They know it and they know some of us know it.

Do I know anybody who has been sick enough to go to hospital or has been in bed – NO, no more than the usual lurgies or snotty noses.

All bullshit, from day 1.

Thank you for listening to this 40 something man in a chair. Don’t forget you are not alone and we will win.

Stay strong (every time I type that it brings a tear to my eye).

294721 ▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to stefarm, 26, #226 of 1591 🔗

Well said. And in the words of Vernon Coleman:

DISTRUST THE GOVERNMENT

AVOID MASS MEDIA

FIGHT THE LIES

294724 ▶▶ annie, replying to stefarm, 27, #227 of 1591 🔗

A great meditation.
Yes, stay strong, and remind people what Normal is like. Turning whole countries into concentration camps is not normal. Deleting faces is not normal. Torturing old people is not normal.
You ARE strong, Stefarm, and you’ll stay that way.

294798 ▶▶ karenovirus, replying to stefarm, 19, #228 of 1591 🔗

The Solzhenitsyn quote is also apt
‘We know they are lying to us, they know we know they are lying . . . Yet still they lie’.

294908 ▶▶▶ OKUK, replying to karenovirus, 12, #229 of 1591 🔗

I’m reminded of that time when 30 year old illegal migrants were claiming to be 16 year old children. We could see how old they were and yet the government, BBC and migrant charities continued to refer to them as children. It became a scandal but the government had a ready response. They put up screens so we could no longer see how old they were. Sorted!

294859 ▶▶ Basics, replying to stefarm, 9, #230 of 1591 🔗

Great post dr stefarm coleman!
Remember, ‘just seeing the picture of Sturgeon and Swinney on the front page hiding behind their masks makes me sick’, is a perfectly normal response. A wisp of brightness is coming from the utter collapse of sturgeon’s regime – yesterday husband murrell even put the boot in – they tiny evil Bute House cabal are living wretched stressed lives on borrowed time.

294975 ▶▶▶ Two-Six, replying to Basics, 11, #231 of 1591 🔗

Sticky Nurgeon is the personification of EVIL in that picture with her little bastard tartan face nappy.
What an absolute fucker “she” is.

295005 ▶▶▶▶ stefarm, replying to Two-Six, 4, #232 of 1591 🔗

💯 %

294713 Tom Blackburn, 27, #233 of 1591 🔗

Anyone work in an office and dislike your bedwetter colleagues? There is a solution.

Just download the T&T app, state you’ve got symptoms and take your phone into work. They get pinged and told to work from home, everyone is happy.

294715 Censored Dog, replying to Censored Dog, 3, #234 of 1591 🔗

Apparently, we are the ones that have to do ‘soul-searching’, not the perpetrators
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2020/12/10/lockdown-sceptics-risk-total-failure-unless-drastic-change-strategy/

294719 ▶▶ annie, replying to Censored Dog, 24, #235 of 1591 🔗

I search my soul daily and find inexhaustible supplies of defiance.

294722 ▶▶ Tom Blackburn, replying to Censored Dog, 9, #236 of 1591 🔗

LOL and there was me leading a full and healthy life, seeing people, going where I want when I want. Not talking up mandatory vaccinations or gulags. Being ethical.

Little did I know I’ve been doing it wrong!

294776 ▶▶ Dan L, replying to Censored Dog, 10, #237 of 1591 🔗

I don’t get this. It seems to be advocating total surrender. If you argue for vaccine passports to enter restaurants and shops that’s effectively lockdown for the unvaccinated. If you agree to this you going along with the pro-lockdown argument.

294787 ▶▶▶ Mike Collins, replying to Dan L, 12, #238 of 1591 🔗

I’ve seen a couple of ‘leisure industry’ experts giving interviews where they take a totally different line, they were of the opinion that pubs/restaurants will not require proof as it’s akin to them cutting their own throats after the year from hell.

Plus there are already pdf files circulating of the vaccination cards, people will simply print them on card,fill in some numbers and dates and slip them in their purse or wallet. There is no central database (or excel spreadsheet LOL) big enough to handle the level of inquiry needed.

Give the Government 3 weeks to vaccinate a large enough number of coffin dodgers and they’ll be clamouring to return to normal. They want a way out and now they’ve got it, they can now blame scientists and their vaccine if things don’t go their way.

294803 ▶▶▶▶ Dan L, replying to Mike Collins, 5, #239 of 1591 🔗

I hope you are right it is quite convincing. Although I suspect they may still drag it all out a few months longer. Can’t be too careful!

The battle won’t be won though as the article hints it could be masks on and social distancing every winter from now on to combat COVID-20, wombat flu or whatever. Again I don’t think surrendering the point on vaccine passports really helps to counter the arguments that will be made for this.

296066 ▶▶▶▶ MsStroppster, replying to Mike Collins, #240 of 1591 🔗

Where can we get a fake vaxx card, please post a link. Excel can only handle 16k file size as we know

294718 Awkward Git, replying to Awkward Git, 18, #241 of 1591 🔗

To start this missive I’ve not seen any news from Tuesday to this morning and as I’m taking a day off today (driving 1200 miles in 3 days after 1600 last week is taking it’s toll on my old bones) I’m catching up.

Had a good catch up with Mrs Awkward and son over a late supper yesterday (may post about here adventure to Telford later, she’s getting really radical) but the conversation got round to that first vaccine “volunteer”. Wife and son had a few issues with the whole thing which were (if I remember them all):

  • if the vials were stored at minus 70 how were they being handled without gloves?
  • why was there no signs of condensation on the vials?
  • why were some vials glass and some cheap squeeze plastic?
  • why did the shot cut away before they showed the actual injection taking place fully but only showed the stab into the arm and initial little squeeze of the needle? Never a full injection.
  • Why was she reported a s going to hospital for a “check-up” and who just happened to be first in line then get reported as being an in-patient who returned to the ward?
  • why did one report say she was home on the day and another one say she went home Wednesday?
  • Why were the time of the injection reported as 06:30, 06:45, 07:00, 07:15 and 07:30 in different reports?
  • why did she have these are clothes on from Tuesday morning to yesterday’s discharge?
  • amazing how she wore matching hospital charity masks and top when no-one else did. Where did these come from?
  • Why was she reported as being a Coventry local in one report but she has an Irish accent and is reported a being from Northern Ireland (she’s really from Enniskillen)?
  • why are there no close-ups without a mask such as when she was having a cup of tea after the ordeal where she was turned away from the cameras?
  • Why was it a “foreign” nurse who gave the injection?
  • The nurses name was reported as May parsons – symbolism of the month of May – https://thriveonnews.com/meaning-month-may/ a “positive month” – and a surname with religious overtones and connotations. Why?
  • Why did every single news agency worldwide use the same smalls election of photos and video clips?
  • Why the hand signals when she was in the wheelchair that are linked to, shall we say, secret societies?
  • Why reports appearing like the one posted as a picture here?

And that’s from Mrs Awkward, I’ve not watched any of it yet, I’m sure more will come as it gets looked into.

She says it stinks.

And as she almost died from the flu jab the only time she had it she says they can stick this one in an anatomically unlikely place as she’s in the 40% it may affect badly just like in the links I posted last weekend where the trials showed that a small amount of vaccine using this new lipid/cholesterol coating can cause huge affects.

294729 ▶▶ calchas, replying to Awkward Git, 3, #242 of 1591 🔗

Very, very good questions.

She was supposed to be turning 91 next week.

An investigation would start with Margaret Keenan’s birth certificate.

294734 ▶▶ stefarm, replying to Awkward Git, 10, #243 of 1591 🔗

Good questions, it’s all a con, a swizz, a mcguffin, taking the piss. It’s laughable.

Do we really think if there was a man killing virus on the loose the media would be taking puctures. Crap.

Reminded me of somebody winning the lottery or being the millionth customer in Bejam.

294737 ▶▶ p02099003, replying to Awkward Git, 16, #244 of 1591 🔗

The vaccine is frozen and transported at -70, it is then defrosted and can be stored in a normal drugs fridge for up to 5 days. However, plastic bottles are used for saline and sterile water for injection, all liquid drugs for injection are in glass vials.
There was an error on the part of the nurse, which suggests the video was not of the actual injection.
At no point did she verify the patient’s name and date of birth to verify identity. If the patient was an inpatient then that would be checked against a wristband.
At no point was the patient asked if she had any allergies
At no point was the patient’s medical history mentioned.
Finally there was no prescription card visible, which would be required to be signed by the nurse and the second checker, particularly if the patient was an inpatient. As far as I can remember the same protocol applies to outpatients.

294743 ▶▶ Jonathan Smith, replying to Awkward Git, 4, #245 of 1591 🔗

The Pfizer vaccine is stored and transported at minus 70° but you couldn’t administer it at that. It’s ‘warmed’ to 2°-5°C first. It will lose stability if kept at this temperature for a long time, hence administration protocol dictates the acceptable number of times the fridge can be opened.

Foreign nurses and surnames – no idea what point you’re making.

294747 ▶▶▶ Awkward Git, replying to Jonathan Smith, 3, #246 of 1591 🔗

The point is the name with it’s overtones and connotations.

Why not more common names in use in the UK line Julia Smith?

If it is all a put up job as part of the agenda these connotation and symbolism it represents is very important as it gives clues to those in the know nod nod wink wink.

294753 ▶▶▶▶ bluemoon, replying to Awkward Git, 1, #247 of 1591 🔗

Sorry AG, I’ve been putting words into your mouth! Apologies.

294752 ▶▶▶ bluemoon, replying to Jonathan Smith, 3, #248 of 1591 🔗

I think AG maybe was referencing the 2 ‘nurses’ who cared for Boris when he was hospitalised. They were non UK and disappeared from view after he was discharged.

294767 ▶▶▶ Awkward Git, replying to Jonathan Smith, 1, #249 of 1591 🔗

Thanks for the info, learned something new today.

294772 ▶▶▶ Mabel Cow, replying to Jonathan Smith, 2, #250 of 1591 🔗

The warmed and diluted vials should be kept between 2 and 25 degrees C and must be discarded after six hours ( page 4 of the guidance for healthcare professionals).

294756 ▶▶ Jonathan Smith, replying to Awkward Git, 4, #251 of 1591 🔗

Maybe it was staged for the cameras, but it doesn’t need extraordinary explanation. Maybe the actual vaccine already administered according to the usual protocols prior to the filmed event… This is pretty common practice worked out by the PR people and media companies. Lots of us have ‘re-enacted’ things specifically for the media. You know those massive fund raising cheques people are pictured with? They’re not real cheques.

Besides, would you want to do it in real time with the possibility of an anaphylaxis? Course not.

294768 ▶▶▶ Awkward Git, replying to Jonathan Smith, 3, #252 of 1591 🔗

Like those 2 nurses on Tuesday who needed the epipen to recover when they went into shock after eating jabbed?

294812 ▶▶▶ PoshPanic, replying to Jonathan Smith, 2, #253 of 1591 🔗

The few times I’ve had to film medical procedures, we’ve mostly done it in real time and followed the action. However, other stuff around it, particularly taking patient details and certain protocols that need to be followed, are frequently staged, so as to communicate “competence”.

Who the hell knows what was in the vial though?

295980 ▶▶ Arkansas, replying to Awkward Git, #254 of 1591 🔗

Margaret Keenan = Keen Nan

294727 Steve Martindale, replying to Steve Martindale, 15, #255 of 1591 🔗

Further to my post below about the legal side of this I have just seen a twitter trail about a group of people who were fined for an illegal gathering during the first lock-down.
https://twitter.com/kirkkorner/status/1336771217416736771
They did not pay the FPN and so were fined by a magistrate under the Single Justice Procedure. From the paperwork it looks like they could have requested a full court hearing, although every time you elect to go one step further you risk a bigger fine. It is no wonder that faced with that sort of legal complexity and with no legal aid available, most people take the easy option of accepting the fixed penalty notice.
This has been the first time in my lifetime that I ever recall seeing Public Health measures being imposed by legal diktact, to my mind it is unprecedented, unwarranted and goes against every aspect of living living in the so called ‘Mother of the Free’ and yet most people seemed to have accepted these legal controls without a second thought!

294733 ▶▶ Biker, replying to Steve Martindale, 7, #256 of 1591 🔗

If they had the party and broke the rules they should stand up and tell them to get tae fuck they won’t be paying any fine and they won’t be moving. If they want to take them to jail they’ll have to carry them. When they get there refuse to move, to eat to do anything. Piss and shit right where they are standing. Do not pay any fines and fight back. We have no choice any more

294759 ▶▶ Cecil B, replying to Steve Martindale, 11, #257 of 1591 🔗

Not me, I’m taking mine to court

They will rue the day they ever heard my name

295844 ▶▶ cubby, replying to Steve Martindale, #258 of 1591 🔗

Hi, Steve. The enforcement of vaccines is not new. Most of the English speaking world, Japan and most of Europe had enforcement of the smallpox vaccine in the 19th century. Fines and imprisonment were common. What changed attitudes very slowly (over 40 years!) was the smallpox pandemic of 1872 which had a huge death rate even among populations where up to 95% had been vaccinated. I wouldn’t be at all surprised if we are faced with the same measures in the near future – Big Pharma and its lackeys in the press will see to that.

294728 Biker, replying to Biker, 37, #259 of 1591 🔗

The dried up barren cunt that lives in Sturgeon’s body is bad, make no mistake but that fucker Swinney is less use than an apron to a feminist. It’s so despairing that the Scottish people are so fucking stupid they vote for such mediocre talentless arseholes like them. Unfortunately i can see most of the Scottish people saying, well it’s fir the best oor Nicola knows whit she’s dayin and anyway Darren and Abdul are thick just like their parents so it don’t really matter. Look at yir uncle Jimmy he was expelled from school at 13 and now he runs the wing at Barlinnie so it never did him any harm. I hate being classified as Scottish especially as i consider myself a Pict. Everything about this shithole place is depressing including the fucking inbred cunts that live in the highlands and islands. Fife stands alone as one of the few places where there are a couple of hundred wise people standing firm and longing for a return to the old days of stones and drums. The days where we didn’t all eat from Greggs, or sit in a queue at a burger joint. In fact the only decent thing left in this entire country is Judith who reads the weather, now there is a mare you could straddle.

294755 ▶▶ Chris John, replying to Biker, 9, #260 of 1591 🔗

A Biker Original. Soon to replace Rabbie Burrrrrrrrrrrns

294758 ▶▶▶ Cecil B, replying to Chris John, 5, #261 of 1591 🔗

Can Fife declare UDI?

294857 ▶▶▶▶ kf99, replying to Cecil B, 1, #262 of 1591 🔗

Well it can’t be taken out of a union “against its will” to use the SNP’s phrase. Oh that also goes for all of Southern Scotland, North East, Orkney, Shetland. She wont have much left. Maybe she gets a bit of Edinburgh, cold war Berlin-style.

294785 ▶▶▶ annie, replying to Chris John, 4, #263 of 1591 🔗

I’ll buy his first novel, but I might need a bowdleriser…

294796 ▶▶▶▶ Biker, replying to annie, 5, #264 of 1591 🔗

I don’t know what a bowdleriser is but it sounds like it should be a guitar effects pedal that Dinosaur Jr use.

294807 ▶▶▶▶▶ Sam Vimes, replying to Biker, 1, #265 of 1591 🔗

It’s called Autotune now.

294839 ▶▶▶▶▶ stefarm, replying to Biker, 1, #266 of 1591 🔗

I thought it was beer, maybe mudhoney if it is a peddle?

295556 ▶▶▶▶▶ Nigel Sherratt, replying to Biker, #267 of 1591 🔗

Taking the rude bits out of Shakespeare.

294744 Stella Talbot, replying to Stella Talbot, 17, #268 of 1591 🔗

Good Morning! Did anyone else read the AIER article mentioning the interview with Melinda Gates? She says:-

“You can project out and think about what a pandemic might be like or look like, but until you live through it, it’s pretty hard to know what the reality will be like. So I think we predicted quite well that, depending on what the disease was, it could spread very, very, very quickly. The spread did not surprise us.

What did surprise us is we hadn’t really thought through the economic impacts. What happens when you have a pandemic that’s running rampant in populations all over the world? The fact that we would all be home, and working from home if we were lucky enough to do that. That was a piece that I think we hadn’t really prepared for.”

What?? They predicted and prepared for the pandemic? They hadn’t “thought through” the economic impacts” ? From what she says, it sounds very much like a project that they planned.

294769 ▶▶ mhcp, replying to Stella Talbot, 4, #269 of 1591 🔗

The woman could wipe her arse with dollar bills until she’s old and frail and still wouldn’t make a dent in her spare change.

294789 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to Stella Talbot, 12, #270 of 1591 🔗

Thanks for doing all the preparation on my behalf Melinda. Sorry, who are the f**k are you again?

Self appointed saviours. Anger levels rising already again today.

294794 ▶▶▶ Biker, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 11, #271 of 1591 🔗

She’s also ugly as fuck, if i were Bill Gates with all that money i’d have bought myself a hot wife instead of that fucking dog.

295142 ▶▶▶▶ Carlo, replying to Biker, 1, #272 of 1591 🔗

Indeed. She is actually the one controlling Bill himself but I suspect she has powerful connections.

295482 ▶▶▶▶ Nigel Sherratt, replying to Biker, #273 of 1591 🔗

Bezos swapped his first wife for one less attractive (despite obvious ‘work’) and much crazier.

294790 ▶▶ PoshPanic, replying to Stella Talbot, 3, #274 of 1591 🔗

I’ve been going through the footage from Event 201. If you take it at face value, that this was a genuine attempt to prepare for a pandemic, then it’s breathtaking that so many voices who were sitting around those tables, were completely ignored.
As an example, one of the contributors highlighted in the conclusion that staff shortages in hospitals weren’t on the list of things to sort out.

295006 ▶▶▶ Two-Six, replying to PoshPanic, 7, #275 of 1591 🔗

I had the strong feeling that the pandemic was a scam BEFORE I heard of Event 201. When I heard about it, back in about December or January. I KNEW we were in for the world’s biggest hoax ever perpetrated on humankind.

294808 ▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to Stella Talbot, 4, #276 of 1591 🔗

She’s not the Messiah. She’s a very naughty girl.

Why doesn’t she just shut up and go away?

294887 ▶▶ Jonathan Palmer, replying to Stella Talbot, 3, #277 of 1591 🔗

Event 201 was a pandemic preparedness conference late 2019 organised by Bill Gates and John Hopkins University.What a coincidence.

294745 Tom Blackburn, replying to Tom Blackburn, 3, #279 of 1591 🔗

Is this the wackiest thing of the scamdemic so far? Allow me to bring you through the K hole….

Daily Mail: Easyjet launches cabin trolley home delivery service with Deliveroo using real crew members.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/travel/escape/article-9036135/Easyjet-launches-cabin-trolley-home-delivery-service-Deliveroo-using-real-crew-members.html

294783 ▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Tom Blackburn, 3, #280 of 1591 🔗

Easyjet might have got a good deal from Deliveroo but neither they or Ubereats are friends to independent cafes and restaurants using them for home deliveries.

294786 ▶▶▶ Andrew K, replying to karenovirus, 7, #281 of 1591 🔗

yep they taek 30% cut on all deliveries, Avoid these non tax paying American companies. If you want a fecking takeway, just go their yourself.

294784 ▶▶ PoshPanic, replying to Tom Blackburn, 4, #282 of 1591 🔗

That’s completely mad, why would anyone want this? I don’t fly easyJet for the fine dining and a luxury experience, it’s usually like being a fucking cattle truck. Obviously brand building PR, but in a way tragic that they’ve had to go this far.

294833 ▶▶ JanMasarykMunich, replying to Tom Blackburn, #283 of 1591 🔗

Indeed. Truly bizarre.

294746 Fingerache Philip., replying to Fingerache Philip., 86, #284 of 1591 🔗

Sign in window of local barbers: “As per new government legislation, if you are not wearing a mask, we will assume that you are exempt”.
LITTLE VICTORIES!!!

294748 ▶▶ Tom Blackburn, replying to Fingerache Philip., 69, #285 of 1591 🔗

There are two barbers near me, side by side. One is bedwetter central. Masks, visors, T&T, gel, the lot. The other (Turkish) – zero, nada. Normal.

The Turkish barber is RAMMED. Other one soon to go bust.

294750 ▶▶▶ Fingerache Philip., replying to Tom Blackburn, 17, #286 of 1591 🔗

We rest our case.

294781 ▶▶▶ annie, replying to Tom Blackburn, 7, #287 of 1591 🔗

Fortunes turn Turk!

294782 ▶▶▶ Andrew K, replying to Tom Blackburn, 19, #288 of 1591 🔗

Sounds like every high street in North London, When the lockdown on barbers re-opened I rushed to get my hair cut, unfortunately the guy was wearing a visor and he made such a pigs dinner of my hair. I went back the next day to try and get it corrected, he admitted he couldn’t see properly through the visor. Now no PPE whatsoever, nobody gives a feck anymore.

294813 ▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to Tom Blackburn, 6, #289 of 1591 🔗

That’s the bleeding obvious. Bet the bedwetter barber hasn’t figured that out yet.

295033 ▶▶▶ Dodderydude, replying to Tom Blackburn, 14, #290 of 1591 🔗

There is a small Turkish community near me in North Wales. I was out distributing copies of ‘The Light’ free newspaper last month and was welcomed with open arms by two Turkish barbers who offered, without any need for persuasion, to distribute copies to their customers. The same occurred in a Romanian owned cafe.

We chatted for ages about the dire impact of the control measures on independent high street businesses and the unscientific basis for them. Conversely, I and a friend, who distributed copies elsewhere, were aggressively sent packing by English/Welsh owned businesses who weren’t interested that someone was ‘fighting their corner’.

https://thelightpaper.co.uk/

NB. The online paper includes a factual data ‘flyer’ that can be downloaded and printed by readers.

295273 ▶▶▶ Edward, replying to Tom Blackburn, 2, #291 of 1591 🔗

Where I am there’s a hipster-style barbers which is very masky (staff and customers) though I have seen a few unmasked, and there’s a more traditional one (where I go) with a lady barber who wears a visor but her customers often are free-faced.

294810 ▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to Fingerache Philip., 5, #292 of 1591 🔗

Wahooo!!!

We need more of them!

295296 ▶▶ Jay Berger, replying to Fingerache Philip., 7, #293 of 1591 🔗

I saw a similar sign in the post office yesterday.
I have noticed that practically all businesses treat unmasked customers with extra politeness these days.
What a pleasant change from the Gulag that Germany is in this regard.

294751 Cecil B, replying to Cecil B, 23, #294 of 1591 🔗

I’ve paid my dues
Time after time
I’ve done my sentence
But committed no crime
And bad mistakes
I’ve made a few
I’ve had my share of sand
Kicked in my face
But I’ve come through
And we mean to go on and on and on and on
We are the champions, my friends
And we’ll keep on fighting till the end

Thanks Freddie

295052 ▶▶ Spikedee1, replying to Cecil B, #295 of 1591 🔗

Yes and the next verse is all about SAGE and the chuckle brothers;

you’ve given me fame and fortune and everything that goes with it, I thank you all!!

294762 Country Mumkin, 10, #296 of 1591 🔗

Great news that about the kids magazine and the PCR lab. Inadvertent innocent investigative report seems to cut through the censorship!

Does anyone have any details on the survey that suggests 40% of doctors don’t want vaccine. I’d be keen to look at source details / more info on that.

Thank you 🙂

294763 Awkward Git, replying to Awkward Git, 11, #297 of 1591 🔗

Just answered the Metropolitan Mayor – part 1:

Thank you and thank Andy Street for the reply.

Myself and many others in the lockdownsceptics community and independent scientists and researchers would love to know what “science” Andy Street has in his possession that gives him full confidence in how the Government is going about the mass testing of the population and the use to which it is putting the “positive” tests that their RT-PCR test is giving them.

Will Andy Street share the science from Government he has in his possession with us willingly or is it better if I submit a Freedom of Information request?

None of us can get any either from FOI requests or research.

Below is a brief summary:

Department of Health and Social Care Reference FOI-1240596 and it stated that a positive PCR test means nothing medically.

The actual quote: “SARS-CoV-2 RNA means the RNA is present in that sample at that point in time. It does not mean that the patient has the novel coronavirus (COVID-19).”

They also provided a link to a document by Health Technology Wales which in answer to this question:

– the official policy/guidance from DHSC to the various bodies who are following the above policy. I can confirm that the Department holds information relevant to your request. As the information held by the Department is in the public domain, we will under Section 21 of the FOI Act (information accessible to the applicant by other means) refer you to the published source, a summary of evidence on the accuracy of the test,

https://www.healthtechnology.wales/wp-content/uploads/2020/05/EAR025-COVID19-diagnostics-report-v2.6.pdf

It does include a few notable gems such as (the paper’s original comments in blue with their updates in umber and with my notes in red):

We identified 39 individual studies and one pooled analysis reporting outcomes including diagnostic accuracy, detection rates and the time taken to obtain test results. We carried out quality assessment of the studies and judged the majority to be at risk of bias in one or more aspect of their design or conduct, which means their results may not be reliable. So not too accurate then these studies?

Some studies did not include methods of confirmatory/differential diagnosis to validate the test results obtained (e.g. the proportion of likely false positive and negative results). A pooled analysis estimated the sensitivity of an initial RT-PCR test result to be 89%, using results of repeated RT-PCR as the reference standard. So does this mean that there is an estimated 11% false result?

There are important gaps in the available evidence on the effectiveness of tests for the presence of SARS-CoV-2. Studies of virus testing in asymptomatic patients, or in specific populations such as healthcare workers are limited in number and there is no evidence on the validated diagnostic performance of the tests beyond their use in the hospital setting. So pretty useless then?

a true assessment of the accuracy of RT-PCR test results is very challenging, and using these RT-PCR for validation mean the same issues apply to the results of antibody tests studied in this way. so the test has lots of problems with accuracy and the antibody test cannot be used for doublechecking the results due to these inaccuracies?

So basically as admitted by the DHSC they are using tests that are “unreliable” to say the least, have no reference standard to double check the accuracy against and that have results that means nothing medically.

And from another government document:

https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/926410/Understanding_Cycle_Threshold__Ct__in_SARS-CoV-2_RT-PCR_.pdf

Cycle threshold (Ct) is a semi-quantitative value that can broadly categorise the concentration of viral genetic material in a patient sample following testing by RT PCR as low, medium or high – that is, it tells us approximately how much viral genetic material is in the sample.

A single Ct value in the absence of clinical context cannot be relied upon for decision making about a person’s infectivity.

The clinical significance of positive results with high Ct are difficult to interpret in the absence of clinical history and context.

RT-PCR detects presence of viral genetic material in a sample but is not able to distinguish whether infectious virus is present.

I also contacted a RT-PCR test kit manufacturer that was listed on a Government/DHSC/PHE webpage and used by the Government to analyse RT-PCR tests and in the various technical documents they sent me it also stated:

13. The final diagnosis should not be based solely on the results of this product. The final diagnosis should be based on a combination of different test methods and clinical results at the discretion of the physician”

294766 ▶▶ Awkward Git, replying to Awkward Git, 14, #298 of 1591 🔗

Part 2:

4. The detection of viral RNA of SARS-CoV-2 is dependent upon proper specimen collection, handling, transportation, storage, and preparation, including extraction. Failure to observe proper procedures in any one of these steps can lead to incorrect results.

6. Results from the device should be correlated with the clinical history, epidemiological data and other data available to the clinician evaluating the patient.

10. This device is a qualitative test and does not provide information on the viral load present in the specimen

13. This test cannot rule out diseases caused by other bacterial or viral pathogens.

14. Cross-reactivity with respiratory tract organisms other than those listed in the Analytical Specificity Study may lead to erroneous results.

So where in any of this does it mean a “positive” test is a medical case that justifies incarceration of the population and destruction of the economy and social fabric of this country?

Maybe Andy Street, yourself and his researchers need to start talking to The Centre for Evidence Based Medicine or Dr Sunetra Gupta or Reiner Fuellmich or the Portuguese courts or journalists such as Toby Young for better, more accurate and up to date information about this subject.

Maybe Andy Street can also explain the meaning of this momentous quote from CMO Chris Whitty on the 21st July 2020:

“If you look at the R, and the behaviours, quite a lot of the change that led to the R going below one occurred well before, or to some extent before, the 23rd, when the full lockdown started.”

To me and a lot of other people it means lockdowns were totally unnecessary.

Or is there another meaning to this comment?

As to contacting MPs, he is joking isn’t he?

I like a good laugh and this gave me a really good one.

Since February 2020 when the first “coronavirus” legislation was inflicted on the population of this country the majority of MPs, apart from a few notable individuals such as Sir Desmond Swayne and Sir Graham Brady, have been notably absent from the limelight and have been supine, cowardly and will not stick their heads above the parapet and question what is going on except for HM Opposition who either support the legislation or abstain as they want harder, longer, stricter, more draconian measures instead.

Most MPs do not even answer letters or e-mails.

I was one of the lucky few who did receive and answer and it stated, in full:

“Many thanks for your recent correspondence – please do not hesitate to contact me again on any issue where you feel I may be of assistance.”

I look forward to your reply.

295064 ▶▶▶ Spikedee1, replying to Awkward Git, 3, #299 of 1591 🔗

You are an absolute legend my hat is fully doffed to you.

294764 Fingerache Philip., replying to Fingerache Philip., 34, #300 of 1591 🔗

Wales (again).
Lockdowns and circuit breakers have totally and utterly failed.
Roll out the usual reaction: Prompted and scripted reaction by “a woman on the street”.
“People haven’t been following the rules,blah,blah,blah,blah, ad infinitum”.
“There should have been a total lockdown,etc.
How BLOODY long?
3 months?, 3 years?
In the words of our teenage granddaughters:”Get real, it ain’t working”.

294777 ▶▶ annie, replying to Fingerache Philip., 6, #301 of 1591 🔗

Welsh zombies are the most revolting of all.
Ych-y-fi.

294884 ▶▶▶ Angryphon of Tunbridge Wells, replying to annie, #302 of 1591 🔗

I live in Wales your obviously mistaken.Don’t be too judgemental/condescending.

294892 ▶▶▶▶ Angryphon of Tunbridge Wells, replying to Angryphon of Tunbridge Wells, 2, #303 of 1591 🔗

We don’t live in Henley on Thames working comfortably from Home.I work in the Rhondda with limited compliance.

295388 ▶▶▶▶ David Grimbleby, replying to Angryphon of Tunbridge Wells, #304 of 1591 🔗

Most Welsh people are from Brum surely?

295026 ▶▶▶ Two-Six, replying to annie, 1, #305 of 1591 🔗

Back in July I was talking to a couple from Wales, after a long talk going through the sceptical canon, I showed her my “not brainwashed” badge.
She said…”Well I must be brainwashed then”
OK, see ya, have a nice journey back home…I said.

294780 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to Fingerache Philip., 9, #306 of 1591 🔗

The Health leader for Wales, what’s his name, was on BBC Radio on Tuesday. His defence of measures was a joke. They want to show it works but that more is needed. Their only way to do that is blame the people with no evidence to back up the assertion. They sit in their offices with their new graph for the day, see it goes up, tut tut, those naughty people. More lockdown for you. Sledgehammer coming your way.

The same script was rolled out by the NI Health Minister yesterday.

And the Scottish equivalent has said “we defeated three hundred strains of coronavirus but those naughty people who went to Magaluf and down to York for a day trip brought back new strains and ruined it for us”. More lockdowns for you. PCR let’s be having you.

294815 ▶▶▶ Janice21, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 5, #307 of 1591 🔗

Its the same old shit over and over again. A constant blame game.

294961 ▶▶▶ MiriamW-sometimes-AlanG, replying to BeBopRockSteady, #308 of 1591 🔗

‘Taking the Covid doon and bringing it back again. You’ll no be going to fucking Blackpool.’ Janey Godley channeling Wee Krankie. Will we need 300 vaccines now?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7KAR60seIE8 MW

294834 ▶▶ theanalyst, replying to Fingerache Philip., 2, #309 of 1591 🔗

Some places (e.g. Merthyr Tydfil) have useless and meaningless PCR Positivity at 28.5% yet the Lateral flow positivity in the same place is just 1.44% (coming down after going up a bit).

https://public.tableau.com/profile/public.health.wales.health.protection#!/vizhome/RapidCOVID-19virology-Public/Headlinesummary

https://www.facebook.com/merthyrtydfilcbc/posts/10159063905523523

I prefer the smaller more accurate figures, and not the headline ones.

294957 ▶▶ TyRade, replying to Fingerache Philip., 2, #310 of 1591 🔗

not only has COVIDbollocks seen the jobsworths – supermarket greeters, doctors’ receptionists, council traffic planners – grab their moment in the sun, but ‘jobsnations’ have also come out of the woodwork to preen and self-flagellate while the going is ‘good’. I’ve had enough of pretend places – like Wales, Scotland – and their incomprehensible talking thingies to last me another lockdown.

294765 NickR, 5, #311 of 1591 🔗

Kirklees , Someone was asking about the positive test situation around Kirklees & surrounding areas, here it is.

294771 Donna Hargett, replying to Donna Hargett, 9, #312 of 1591 🔗

Degrading. Like wearing a mask, standing in a square to play or lining up for a temperature gun to be held at your head. Why are so many people accepting all of this?

294863 ▶▶ kf99, replying to Donna Hargett, 2, #313 of 1591 🔗

The temperature guns were specifically dismissed as inaccurate when some sport started earlier in the year. It was discussed at the snooker in Sheffield for example. Now they’re everywhere. What’s changed?

294877 ▶▶▶ Jonathan Palmer, replying to kf99, 1, #314 of 1591 🔗

They are conditioning for when we have to scan our health passports to do anything.

294866 ▶▶ stefarm, replying to Donna Hargett, 2, #315 of 1591 🔗

The symbolism – gun to be held at your head. Wonder how many people have noticed.

And how the fuck can standing outside a shop in the wind and rain give an accurate reading.

295094 ▶▶▶ Judy Watson, replying to stefarm, #316 of 1591 🔗

You try this in thailand. Well known international siperu cgai Go to the door blast of cold air hits you temperature taken mine is always between 34.5 – 35.6!!!!way below normal

295098 ▶▶▶▶ Judy Watson, replying to Judy Watson, #317 of 1591 🔗

Sorry meantcan’t supermarket chain

294868 ▶▶ Awkward Git, replying to Donna Hargett, 2, #318 of 1591 🔗

Taking temperature not recommended by the WHO in their publication about NPIs from 2019.

Had it done at these are hospital as last week by these are nurse who saw Two Six’s badge and saw it again.

She didn’t even trigger anything just said “that’s fine” without looking at it.

295233 ▶▶ Victoria, replying to Donna Hargett, #319 of 1591 🔗

The child’s temperature at school (during lockdown 2) ranged from 33.5 to 36.1 degrees Celsius – if that was actually correct he would have been in hospital or dead. Did not query it, as brilliant for when they really have a temperature no one would know. Ha ha

294773 Will, replying to Will, 7, #320 of 1591 🔗

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2020/12/09/sage-second-secrecy-row-government-refuses-publish-members-financial/

Don’t think the article is behind a paywall. BMJ gunning for government over their refusal to release the financial interests of unSage.

294779 ▶▶ Cecil B, replying to Will, 4, #322 of 1591 🔗

Interesting

There is little that appears in the DT that is not a government plant

Is that the sound of a scapegoat being set up?

294848 ▶▶ user1234, replying to Will, 3, #323 of 1591 🔗

Prophetic article in BMJ from 2017 about appointment of former GaxoSmithKline employees Whitty, Valance and Van Tam into government advisory roles…
https://blogs.bmj.com/bmj/2017/12/06/tom-jefferson-the-uk-turns-to-witty-vallance-and-van-tam-for-leadership-revolving-doors/

294775 Cecil B, 3, #324 of 1591 🔗

We have a Tellydemic (Not tellytubbies but just as crazy)

We are all Amish now

294905 ▶▶ JanMasarykMunich, replying to Bart Simpson, 1, #326 of 1591 🔗

Yes, read them, quite well-measured, and possibly the kind of thing that could be recommended to hardcore Covidians for their deliberation…

294795 Cecil B, 15, #327 of 1591 🔗

The truth about lockdowns

Numbers go up, your fault

Numbers go down, a success for us

Tails you lose, heads we win

294800 John Stone, 2, #328 of 1591 🔗

Breaking: CHD Responds to News of Life-Threatening Reaction to Pfizer COVID Vaccine. Will Regulators Take Action? In August, CHD asked regulators to investigate the use of polyethylene glycol (PEG) in COVID mRNA vaccines, which could have caused the severe allergic reactions reported this week by two of the first UK recipients of Pfizer’s vaccine.

https://childrenshealthdefense.org/defender/pfizer-covid-vaccine-allergic-reactions/?utm_source=salsa&eType=EmailBlastContent&eId=583e1189-7d2b-43d7-9e62-707872b053ab

294801 George Mc, replying to George Mc, 5, #329 of 1591 🔗

I have noticed that if you use google (which is probably the most commonly used search engine) for anything covid related, almost the first thing that comes up is the scary graph i.e. a visual image. I’m guessing the big push is now on – this being the moment of roll out for the vax. Much hangs on this. Got to keep the troops in line etc.

“No talking at the back there! What’s that? You’re asking questions? Good God! Don’t you know how many have laid down their lives for you died already?”

(Whips out the horror show accompanied by scary music and tearful breakdowns)

You disgusting traitor cynic! Bend over Roll that sleeve up!

294818 ▶▶ PoshPanic, replying to George Mc, 3, #330 of 1591 🔗

They’re in this together

294886 ▶▶ Norman, replying to George Mc, 3, #331 of 1591 🔗

Duckduckgo.com is an alternative search engine which claims not to track you.

295119 ▶▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to Norman, 1, #332 of 1591 🔗

You get the feeling this is orchestrated. The likes of Bitchute, DuckDuckGo etc. The sceptics and anti establishment opinions are corralled into a single pen then gassed.

295855 ▶▶▶ cubby, replying to Norman, #333 of 1591 🔗

Qwant is another possibility

294816 Scotty87, 16, #334 of 1591 🔗

That picture of the Santa in his hermetically sealed bubble with the poor muzzled sprogs standing outside pressed me to share my own grotto experience yesterday. The better half and I took our 5 year old, 2 year old and baby to a well-known garden centre chain who were hosting the meeting with Santa. The place was quiet, mostly older ones milling around with masks on but I was encouraged to see a couple of fellow bare-faced customers, even a few staff!

The grotto itself was quiet, all of the “elves” had nauseating Xmas muzzles on but looked genuinely happy to see a friendly, unmasked family standing before them. When we got through to Santa, I was pleasantly surprised to see that there was no enforced distancing or mention of anything Covid-related, we were even instructed to hold the kids right by his chair for a photo.

Upon leaving, an older masked lady approached me to comment on my baby daughter – again she seemed genuinely happy to speak with somebody unafraid to show their face – I wondered if she would have bothered if I was masked up?

We later went to a play centre where I was delighted to see no staff wearing masks and no reminders of the dreaded virus, except for a virtue-signalling bottle of sanitizer at the front desk. All in all, a good day that reminded me a little of the “Old Normal!”

294817 richmond, replying to richmond, 5, #335 of 1591 🔗

If anyone wants to know why people still believe in this deadly pandemic, look at this. This is the BBC reporting on the first person in the world receiving the vaccine. Reported as an extraordinary moment. Anyone would think she had landed on Mars.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aWAly3INavM
Imagine watching all this and believing it. Of course you would want the vaccine. Of course you wold think anyone who doesn’t is a crank.

294822 ▶▶ Schrodinger, replying to richmond, 12, #336 of 1591 🔗

Says it all.

294821 AnotherSceptic, replying to AnotherSceptic, 12, #338 of 1591 🔗

I Posted very late yesterday,
So here it is again,

What a fucking wanker!! From the man who is a big cause of all this shit!
Yes, because we can see through your fucking gobshite mate, we are all “weird”
You baldy cunt.

https://uk.news.yahoo.com/anti-vaxxers-professor-chris-whitty-vaccine-162145820.html

295085 ▶▶ Spikedee1, replying to AnotherSceptic, 4, #339 of 1591 🔗

I wonder if in years to come if you look up the word cunt in the English dictionary if the chuckle brothers photo will come up?

294824 MsCLuv, replying to MsCLuv, 18, #340 of 1591 🔗

Does anyone know anything about Mumsnet? Are they funded by the government? Do they push a certain political agenda?

I was banned because I said I will not take the Covid-19 vaccine on their forum under the title “Coronavirus”.
I mentioned the survival rate for those under 70 and who are healthy is 99.95% and I fall under that category.

The women on the board went nuts calling me selfish and anti-vax. I am not anti-vax at all and am vaccinated for everything else.

Mumsnet has now banned me from using their site. I really don’t care that much for the site, however the act of banning someone for not wanting to take the covid vaccine is disturbing.

I contacted their headquarters saying this goes against free speech and unethical. This is what they wrote…

“We could see that the issue of covid and vaccinations dominated your activity on the boards.
Users who contacted us about your posts felt that you were on Mumsnet to promote a particular anti-lockdown, anti-vax agenda rather than engage in a meaningful discussion.
That is something MNers do spot quite quickly and tend to dislike.”

What? I wasn’t promoting anything and actually having discussions and debates. But apparently you’re not allowed to say you’re against the lockdowns.

294841 ▶▶ Andrew K, replying to MsCLuv, 11, #341 of 1591 🔗

CALL TO ACTION

Lets flood Mumsnet and make those forums unusable. Simple. What’s the URL and requirement to get a logon. Once on let’s just post constant anti lockdown stuff. Let’s start lambasting new mothers for not caring about their children by accepting the government narrative. Yes we’ll get banned but not before we’ve made our point. ACTION ACTION ACTION

294860 ▶▶▶ MsCLuv, replying to Andrew K, 5, #342 of 1591 🔗

Definitely do it! Just register an account and go to “Talk”. “Coronavirus” topic is under “Health”. You’ll see how one-sided a lot of the posts are. BUT those that threaten you and curse at you for being against the lockdown are allowed to stay on.

294889 ▶▶▶▶ Andrew K, replying to MsCLuv, 13, #344 of 1591 🔗

Fecking hell, just reading the posts on these forums, it’s like a parallel universe. If I post anti lockdown stuff on this, it would go down like a Jew at Hitlers birthday party. Anyway I will register and start a new thread pretending to be a newly wed women who want’s to start a family next year and wondering if I should take the vaccine or not. Then once the mothers are confortable taking to me, hit them with all the Mike Yeadon stuff. Bang job done. It would be nice if I could be joined by at least one other to work as a team. I’m thinking of a usernane FluffyBunny

295117 ▶▶▶ Judy Watson, replying to Andrew K, 2, #345 of 1591 🔗

I am not a mumbut i, will certainlypost on it

295383 ▶▶▶▶ Andrew K, replying to Judy Watson, 1, #346 of 1591 🔗

Great work Judy, I will create a username FluffyBunny and create a new thread. called Vaccine before I start a family, see you there? What Username

295423 ▶▶▶▶ Andrew K, replying to Judy Watson, #347 of 1591 🔗

Sorry looks like username Fluffy Bunny already taken, Anyway I’ve created a username called Flirty Bessie and a new discussion https://www.mumsnet.com/Talk/coronavirus/4102973-Covid-Vaccine-before-starting-a-family-or-not ?

Please all join me in posting facts about covid and vaccines. Even if we change the mind of one mother it’ll be worth it. Don’t know how long I can last before being banned though

294850 ▶▶ Awkward Git, replying to MsCLuv, 4, #348 of 1591 🔗

This ia who started and runs it:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Justine_Roberts

She’s an Oxford PPE graduate with all the usual links to the Establishment.

295108 ▶▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to Awkward Git, 1, #349 of 1591 🔗

All roads point to the same place

294870 ▶▶ Poppy, replying to MsCLuv, 6, #350 of 1591 🔗

That is something MNers do spot quite quickly and tend to dislike.”

God, it sounds so cultish. Mumsnet is truly awful.

294879 ▶▶▶ MsCLuv, replying to Poppy, 4, #351 of 1591 🔗

It is really awful. I never knew they were so cultish!

294872 ▶▶ Nobody2020, replying to MsCLuv, 5, #352 of 1591 🔗

People who promote the opposite are not promoting but merely discussing then but what exactly are they discussing if they’re all saying the same thing?

Sounds like they should rename to Mums Echo Chamber.

295038 ▶▶ Just about sane, replying to MsCLuv, 2, #353 of 1591 🔗

Gransnet are not any better, although I have gransnet to thank for finding lockdown skeptics, one person managed to get a link in for this website to which I’m grateful for. I would imagine it will have been removed by now as the comments were depressing and full of the self righteous.

295042 ▶▶ Two-Six, replying to MsCLuv, 5, #354 of 1591 🔗

Mumsnet is a scourge, a cess pool of chin wobbeling risk adversed “soccer moms”, an absolute shit show of bastardry.

295081 ▶▶ Ben, replying to MsCLuv, 5, #355 of 1591 🔗

Mumsnet is a sewer of piranha fish

295102 ▶▶ AnotherSceptic, replying to MsCLuv, 1, #356 of 1591 🔗

I just had a look at the forum link posted on here for bumsnet…Holy fucking shit.

Someone has posted a topic under the title, “has anybody caught covid just going about their normal business” or some shit along they lines.

One poster mentioned about supermarket workers seem to not have had it, despite working inside & being around people all day.

This then attracted the reply to the supermarket workers post
“ Supermarket workers have got it… sickness is at an all time high
The food you ordered online for delivery/ that whole team got taken out by 1 guy being positive and the rest of the team then having to isolate
And also imagine being someone who can’t wear a mask and working in a shop, it’s awful”

Unfuckingbelievable!!!

295176 ▶▶ Victoria, replying to MsCLuv, 4, #357 of 1591 🔗

I love these mums that feed their kids only organic food (for their health) but then force their kids to wear masks (BAD for their health / brain damage) and given the chance will have these same kids at the front of the covid vaccination line (not properly tested – health impact potentially disastrous)…..

295759 ▶▶ RichardJames, replying to MsCLuv, #358 of 1591 🔗

Mumsnet is notorious for banning anyone who dissents from the mainstream medical opinion. I personally wonder if MN is paid or in thrall to certain agendas. Like a lot of other sites, MN is exactly the same as YouGov. Centrist or vaguely right-of-centre opinions are not wanted.

I was also banned for giving information about HCQ and other alternative treatments, all of which are well-researched. The excuse was that “your information was false and possibly dangerous”. As if those stupid cunts would actually know anything about alternative medicine. They might have done a Google search on the mainstream medical crap, but I bet they didn’t even do that.

294825 karenovirus, replying to karenovirus, 1, #359 of 1591 🔗

Kayfabe is apparently the word used in professional wrestling for faking it

Financial Times on hancocks recent efforts

295078 ▶▶ Ben, replying to karenovirus, 5, #360 of 1591 🔗

Apparently Matt Hancock laughed as a psychopath might do, and realising how his mask had slipped, tried to disguise his laugh by turning it into a cry. Duping delight always catches them out

295170 ▶▶ Victoria, replying to karenovirus, 1, #361 of 1591 🔗

Ha ha

it was bloody pathetic

294826 Gillian, replying to Gillian, 12, #362 of 1591 🔗

The video of Matt Handcock on GMB the other day pretending to cry, but actually LAUGHING, as two pensioners (bravely, but misguidedly) were vaccinated on live TV (why?) was positively creepy. The image keeps replaying in my mind and gives me nightmares. When the whole debacle is at an end, will this film be replayed again and again as the most supreme dystopian moment in the whole charade? A bit like (but much worse) that cabinet minister feeding his young kid a beefburger in the middle of the BSE panic.

295433 ▶▶ Silke David, replying to Gillian, 1, #363 of 1591 🔗

I haven’t seen the clip and am actually avoiding it. So many people say it is really horrible.
I believe you, that’s enough for me,

294827 PompeyJunglist, replying to PompeyJunglist, 1, #364 of 1591 🔗

What am I missing with this Jason Oke CEBM graph?

If it’s plotting weekly deaths then surely the peak would be higher than 2000, given around 1000 were dying every day at the worst point?

294830 ▶▶ PoshPanic, replying to PompeyJunglist, 1, #365 of 1591 🔗

I presume it’s showing total numbers over time, with weeks just being a marker

294840 ▶▶ Ed Phillips, replying to PompeyJunglist, 3, #366 of 1591 🔗

Is that the graph of respiratory disease minus Coronavirus. It’s all about the codes given – see the left of the graph. I got caught out by this a couple of months back.
This graph shows that we’re relabelling flu as Covid.

294880 ▶▶ Richard Pinch, replying to PompeyJunglist, 1, #367 of 1591 🔗

This is for J00-J99, see https://www.icd10data.com/ICD10CM/Codes/J00-J99 Covid is U07.

294828 alw, replying to alw, 9, #368 of 1591 🔗

Dr Naomi Wolf

@naomirwolf
·
14h

I’m posting s screenshot of this rather shocking admission in writing by the UK Government that error-ridden PCR COVID testing is not their responsibility. On what basis UK ‘lockdowns’ then? Who IS responsible? ⁦ @allisonpearson

294953 ▶▶ JanMasarykMunich, replying to alw, 2, #369 of 1591 🔗

Looked at this, and had a bit of a ‘parallel universe’ experience looking at some of the comments. Someone wrote this (apparently quite seriously):

‘PHE is described on its website as “a distinct organisation with operational autonomy” from the Department of Health. Clearly, the meaning of the petition rejection is that the Government is not in charge of nor can influence policies implemented by PHE.’

God help us.

294985 ▶▶▶ vargas99, replying to JanMasarykMunich, 2, #370 of 1591 🔗

This is precisely why Executive Agencies were established: so the Gov’t of the day can blame anyone but itself for ensuing problems. It’s the old plausible deniability model.

https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/690636/Executive_Agencies_Guidance.PDF

294829 PoshPanic, replying to PoshPanic, 6, #371 of 1591 🔗

STOP PRESS:

Blue Peter to run a special episode expose of care home mass genocide. The long running children’s favourite, asked some of their viewers to ferret for documents amongst their local authorities secure servers. The resulting data they collectively uncovered, will blow the lid on the biggest government fuck up of all time.

In other news, Mickey Mouse is rumoured to be conducting a mask study in California. When completed, results are expected to be published in The Lancet

294836 ▶▶ Cecil B, replying to PoshPanic, 7, #372 of 1591 🔗

Not for nothing have I maintained my subscription to Beano

294847 ▶▶▶ Fingerache Philip., replying to Cecil B, 3, #373 of 1591 🔗

Best comic ever.

294832 Cecil B, 3, #374 of 1591 🔗

Will the dictatorship target the homes of dissidents on Christmas Day?

With an eye to some post Christmas propaganda to explain rising ‘cases’ they might wish to highlight some cases of Christmas Covidiotism

Remember these people are trying to conceal the fact that they killed 18,500 people in the care homes. Anything goes

Consider a safe house for Christmas Day

294837 Awkward Git, replying to Awkward Git, 3, #375 of 1591 🔗

Friend just sent em this comparison in brain washing techniques.

294845 ▶▶ Be Unshakeable, replying to Awkward Git, 2, #376 of 1591 🔗

Mass arrests, just what the doctor ordered.

294965 ▶▶ JanMasarykMunich, replying to Awkward Git, #377 of 1591 🔗

excellent chart.

On ‘degradation — makes resistance worse than compliance’:

There was a very creepy study done at a German university back in summer that ‘showed’ that those accepting official policy were more satisfied/happier than those dissenting. Even though it was only pre-print, it got saturation coverage in the German MSM.

Funny that, pre-print garbage science that fits the narrative is everywhere, but proper studies that don’t are buried/smeared.

294843 tonyspurs, 3, #378 of 1591 🔗

FFS the Government and it’s accomplices are determined to cause maximum mental health damage to the UK’s children

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-9033977/Nightmare-Christmas-Santa-rushed-hospital-paramedics-new-NHS-charity-advert.html

294844 George Mc, replying to George Mc, 7, #379 of 1591 🔗

I did a little round up of Left sites to see if any were offering coverage of the UK vaccine programme. Hardly any did. And these exceptions gave a, by now familiar, complaint about how the programme wasn’t happening quickly enough e.g. The Canary’s “Six reasons why the coronavirus pandemic will not be over soon”

Labour Buzz had the apparently promising title (though let’s not kid ourselves): “Starmer Asks for Detail About the Vaccine”. It turns out that Starmer isn’t querying the vaccine (as if!). No, here’s his beef:

“Welcoming the arrival of the first approved vaccine for COVID 19 he pledged to do his bit to help get it rolled out as quickly as possible. However, there is, of course, one big barrier standing in the way, anti-vax misinformation . This is becoming a thriving industry online with countless posts spreading misinformation about vaccines . Public confidence in the vaccine, he said, was a real concern and would be crucial to its success. However, It’s important that we do everything we can to counter dangerous, frankly life-threatening, disinformation about vaccines . We on this side have called on legislation to clamp down on this with financial penalties for those companies which fail to act.”

(For “dangerous, frankly life-threatening, disinformation” read “Dodgy PCR querying”)

The London Economic has an article entitled, “Anti-vaxxers widely considered ‘selfish’ and ‘stupid’ by UK public”. An insultingly presumptuous title like that needs no further attention.

And that was it. I checked about ten sites but then felt little inclination to continue. Perhaps more oddly, the BBC home page offers little update. Admittedly these are early days but, then again, that very fact should surely prompt more of a response, especially considering the unprecedented scope of this programme.

I reckon the vaccine will continue to be silently rolled out. Very little coverage will be given other than the occasional “pep talk” update from the Beeb. And our bold Left groups will continue to do what they have done from the start: either look the other way or complain that the programme should be stepped up.

294871 ▶▶ Richard Pinch, replying to George Mc, 1, #380 of 1591 🔗

For “dangerous, frankly life-threatening, disinformation” read “Dodgy PCR querying”

Well, this is the sort of thing that gets sceptics a bad name. Firstly, you forgot to complete the phrase “ dangerous, frankly life-threatening, disinformation about vaccines “. Vaccines and PCR tests are of course completely different things. Secondly, if you read through the comments on this blog, or indeed almost any other forum where Covid is being discussed, over the past few days you will see a plethora of real disinformation. I don’t mean just opinions with which you or I might disagree, I mean statements about vaccines which are objectively false, or deliberately misquoted, and intended to deceive.

294907 ▶▶▶ George Mc, replying to Richard Pinch, 3, #381 of 1591 🔗

Seems to me you are indulging in pure pedantry. The point I was making – which I thought was obvious – is that there is a huge drive on now to smear any scepticism of the vaccine and indeed of the entire virus narrative as “dangerous misinformation”.

In any case, I don’t see what’s wrong with what I said even if you do leave out “about vaccines”.

“dangerous, frankly life-threatening, disinformation” can indeed be equated with “Dodgy PCR querying” by which I meant querying about dodgy PCR testing i.e. when people start to query PCR testing they are accused of “dangerous, frankly life-threatening, disinformation”.

I also know all about “a plethora of real disinformation” appearing on these very forms i.e. the troll factor. I fail to see what that has to do with what I posted.

295032 ▶▶▶▶ Richard Pinch, replying to George Mc, 1, #382 of 1591 🔗

there is a huge drive on now to smear any scepticism of the vaccine and indeed of the entire virus narrative as “dangerous misinformation”.

Maybe so. But there really is a campaign of disinformation, and you can see it happening right here on this page. So how do you prevent your presentation of what is hopefully a well-argued and -supported opinion from being associated with it? Well, part of it is to be scrupulously careful in what you say.

295048 ▶▶▶▶▶ George Mc, replying to Richard Pinch, 2, #383 of 1591 🔗

With regard to the mainstream media, “campaign of disinformation” hardly seems to cover what is happening. Outright fraud is what is happening. And this is happening precisely because of the monolithic character of this media.

By contrast, I would like to hear as much oppositional talk as possible. I want to hear alternative views. After all – is that not how science is supposed to work i.e. through competing views which can be aired to see where we go? In that case, I am loath to get pedantic about a “campaign of disinformation” since I think it is a phrase that can be used to stifle dissent.

What I am more concerned about is getting trapped in a cage of petty pedantry. (And it is precisely such petty pedantry that gives sceptics a bad name.) As I have said above, I see nothing wrong in what I posted originally.

295985 ▶▶▶▶▶ David Grimbleby, replying to Richard Pinch, #384 of 1591 🔗

Surely there is a difference between disinformation and misinformation..

296189 ▶▶▶▶ Borisbullshit, replying to George Mc, #385 of 1591 🔗

Richard’s middle name is ‘pedantry’! We love him though haha.

295152 ▶▶ Ben, replying to George Mc, 1, #386 of 1591 🔗

Is indemnification misinformation?

294846 Awkward Git, replying to Awkward Git, 11, #387 of 1591 🔗

I know it’s in the Daily Mail and a bit off-topic, maybe but could be relevant due to the censorship issues that are on-going though:

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9036231/New-York-attorney-general-launches-massive-antitrust-suit-against-Facebook.html

Oh dear oh dear.

Plus I hear that 21 states have joined the election fraud court case, will try and find factual reports, not from “gossip” pages.

Plus the FBI now admit to having in it’s possession the laptop owned by Seth Rich the DNC staffer who was murdered 4 years ago in a “street robbery” as he was whistleblowing.

Interesting times still to come.

294851 ▶▶ Be Unshakeable, replying to Awkward Git, 3, #388 of 1591 🔗

Yes, it seems that SCOTUS will have to act in favour of the constitution, though the 21 states are not joining the fraud case, they are seeking to address the unconstitutional manner in which the election was managed in the swing states.

294852 ▶▶ Andy Riley, replying to Awkward Git, 1, #389 of 1591 🔗

I recommend following Tim Pool and Scott Adams on YouTube for election fraud news and analysis.

294858 ▶▶▶ Bruce Reynolds, replying to Andy Riley, #390 of 1591 🔗

Newsmax and Right side broadcasting also good sources of information.

294981 ▶▶▶▶ JanMasarykMunich, replying to Bruce Reynolds, #391 of 1591 🔗

Also

21stcenturywire

gatewaypundit (careful — can be a bit wild, but not to be dismissed, good sources)

Robert Barnes Law (some excellent discussion videos, especially one with Richard Baris)

295456 ▶▶▶▶▶ Nigel Sherratt, replying to JanMasarykMunich, #392 of 1591 🔗

Yes, Robert Barnes if you want to try to understand what the hell is going on over there. Baris excellent and also Viva Frei (Canadian, joint discussions with RB).

294922 ▶▶▶ nottingham69, replying to Andy Riley, #393 of 1591 🔗

Steve Bannon the war room from 3, every day.

294849 TFS, replying to TFS, 9, #394 of 1591 🔗

LOCKDOWN SKEPTICSl

PLEASE PASS AROUND:

SENATE HEARING INTO Covid: I cannot keep doing this:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tq8SXOBy-4w&feature=youtu.be

294856 ▶▶ Be Unshakeable, replying to TFS, 7, #395 of 1591 🔗

Brilliant, I’ve been spreading it everywhere too. It needs to go viral, keep posting it everywhere.

Also, see this from April:

‘Ivermectin can kill COVID-19 within 48 hours’, Monash University study finds
https://www.thepharmaletter.com/article/ivermectin-can-kill-covid-19-within-48-hours-monash-university-study-finds

And form PubMed:

Ivermectin: a systematic review from antiviral effects to COVID-19 complementary regimen
Ivermectin proposes many potentials effects to treat a range of diseases, with its antimicrobial, antiviral, and anti-cancer properties as a wonder drug.

It is highly effective against many microorganisms including some viruses.

In this comprehensive systematic review, antiviral effects of ivermectin are summarized including in vitro and in vivo studies over the past 50 years.

Several studies reported antiviral effects of ivermectin on RNA viruses such as Zika, dengue, yellow fever, West Nile, Hendra, Newcastle, Venezuelan equine encephalitis, chikungunya, Semliki Forest, Sindbis, Avian influenza A, Porcine Reproductive and Respiratory Syndrome, Human immunodeficiency virus type 1, and severe acute respiratory syndrome coronavirus 2.

Furthermore, there are some studies showing antiviral effects of ivermectin against DNA viruses such as Equine herpes type 1, BK polyomavirus, pseudorabies, porcine circovirus 2, and bovine herpesvirus 1.

Ivermectin plays a role in several biological mechanisms, therefore it could serve as a potential candidate in the treatment of a wide range of viruses including COVID-19 as well as other types of positive-sense single-stranded RNA viruses.

In vivo studies of animal models revealed a broad range of antiviral effects of ivermectin, however, clinical trials are necessary to appraise the potential efficacy of ivermectin in clinical setting.

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/32533071/

294874 ▶▶ Zak Thelotofem, replying to TFS, 3, #396 of 1591 🔗

Well done and please watch Dr Kory’s follow up interview that Will has included in today’s Round-up – equally powerful.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fSL7sqOudoE&feature=emb_logo

294854 OldBaldGamer, replying to OldBaldGamer, 10, #397 of 1591 🔗

Apologies for last nights shitposting.

Anger and Alcohol are not a good mix, but I did release some stress I suppose.

294865 ▶▶ Awkward Git, replying to OldBaldGamer, 8, #398 of 1591 🔗

Works for me, no need to apologise.

All need a good rant at times to relieve stress.

Good for your mental health, it’s like a thunderstorm clearing the air.

294873 ▶▶ Be Unshakeable, replying to OldBaldGamer, 8, #399 of 1591 🔗

I thought you could’ve done with more threats of physical harm to politicians and government advisors, but at least you’re thinking in the right direction.

294855 George Mc, replying to George Mc, 11, #400 of 1591 🔗

Reasons why the vaccine will become mandatory:

1 They didn’t come all this way to offer a choice.

2 Offering a choice completely invalidates the entire deadly virus narrative.

3 If they start to offer a choice even to one, then everyone else may very likely also want to opt out.

4 The increasingly obvious discrepancy between the lessening threat and the mounting media hysteria indicates a cascading desperation towards that ultimatum.

294864 ▶▶ wendy, replying to George Mc, 8, #401 of 1591 🔗

Wouldn’t they have to make a law change for this to happen? Could we fight it. I won’t have it and would rather go to prison!

294875 ▶▶▶ kf99, replying to wendy, 4, #402 of 1591 🔗

Pretty unenforceable anyway- how would they know where you are? This came up with the separate Scottish tax code. It’s based on people self-certifying if they’ve stayed overnight in Scotland a majority of nights. Voluntary tax then, effectively…

294876 ▶▶▶ kh1485, replying to wendy, 6, #403 of 1591 🔗

Purely anecdotal I know, but most people I have spoken to, and especially the ‘vulnerable’ have said they won’t touch it with a bargepole!

294881 ▶▶ Mabel Cow, replying to George Mc, 8, #404 of 1591 🔗

They’ve already excluded people with severe allergies, pregnant women and breast feeding women. No doubt they will go on to exclude every group that shows adverse reactions (so as to avoid the negative publicity).

With so many exclusions, it would be quite difficult to impose social penalties for not having been vaccinated.

294893 ▶▶▶ Sam Vimes, replying to Mabel Cow, 10, #405 of 1591 🔗

Maybe some parallel with the mask exemptions? What I mean is, those exemptions are not there to protect the persons exempted, but to protect the government from any come-back when someone is harmed by mask wearing. Although virtually none of the plebs have read the law, the government can still point to it if someone brings a lawsuit, and say “It’s your own fault, we said you were exempt”.

294906 ▶▶▶▶ Nsklent, replying to Sam Vimes, 8, #406 of 1591 🔗

There are plenty of these back saving subtleties in the language of many of these restrictions – advice, guidance, encourage etc., the problem is individual establishments making their own rules, such as shops stating no mask, no entry, the churches shutting when they could be open for prayer. Remember earlier when Johnson claimed they hadn’t told the schools to shut. It will be just the same when months down the line the true extent of these restrictions come to light – but we said there were exemptions, it was only guidance, recommendations, we never said or meant ….

294911 ▶▶▶▶▶ Sam Vimes, replying to Nsklent, 8, #407 of 1591 🔗

Aye. The government’s greatest ally is mass stupidity. The plebs do their dirty work for them.

295063 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Mabel Cow, replying to Sam Vimes, 2, #408 of 1591 🔗

Never a truer word spoken.

294900 ▶▶ Nsklent, replying to George Mc, 4, #409 of 1591 🔗

However, if the majority still refuse to comply with any mandatory provision, it will fail.

295258 ▶▶ Ben, replying to George Mc, 3, #410 of 1591 🔗

If it becomes mandatory and people are injured or killed by the vaccine, then the State will be culpable for grievous bodily harm or murder/manslaughter. People will sue. Grieving relatives will not forgive

294862 swedenborg, replying to swedenborg, 10, #411 of 1591 🔗

The C-19 vaccine roll out

Scandal with MHRA, they didn’t even seem to have read the exclusion criteria, earlier anaphylactic reaction. What would have happened if one of the two nurses would have died of the anaphylactic reaction? MHRA grossly incompetence as Pfizer’s test protocol excludes these patients. Too much haste.

https://twitter.com/MichaelYeadon3/status/1336813990945693698

“Dr June Raine, chief executive of the MHRA, which approved the Pfizer/BioNTech jab, said that similar reactions “were not a feature” of the vaccine trials.” They wouldn’t be, as such individuals were excluded from the trials. Did MHRA even read the protocol? Not convincing.

294888 ▶▶ Hieronimusb, replying to swedenborg, 5, #412 of 1591 🔗

MHRA.. another regulatory body shown to have its fingers in the till of big pharma. We are seeing the wholesale destruction of proper safety protocols for new medicines while huge amounts of public money are hosed onto a fire which has already burned itself out for all intents and purposes and for which existing treatments like Ivermectin were already available anyway. Clearly, this is insanity.

294898 ▶▶▶ Nsklent, replying to Hieronimusb, 5, #413 of 1591 🔗

According to UK column MHRA have past history, falsifying data relating to the cervical cancer jab.

294918 ▶▶▶▶ Hieronimusb, replying to Nsklent, 1, #414 of 1591 🔗

Cervarix (GSK), they falsified the safety data, not the only example.

295088 ▶▶▶▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to Hieronimusb, 1, #415 of 1591 🔗

Van Tam was at GSK at that time wasn’t he? Or was that during their China bribery scandal?

295300 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Hieronimusb, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 1, #416 of 1591 🔗

Not sure, they all piss in each other’s pockets anyway.

294896 ▶▶ godowneasy, replying to swedenborg, 4, #417 of 1591 🔗

This is incompetence of the highest order. Makes you wonder what else they have missed in their headlong rush to vaccine roll-out.

295084 ▶▶ Two-Six, replying to swedenborg, 1, #418 of 1591 🔗

The MHRA deported David Noakes and his assistant Lynne Thyre to France and they are still held awating trial for making and distributing GCMAFF a harmless protein found in pregnant women and babies that appears to cure cancer in a very safe way.
The MHRA are EVIL!

295123 ▶▶ Old Normal, replying to swedenborg, #419 of 1591 🔗

I emailed the MHRA before they reached the decision on the Pfizer vaccine. Nothing they said gave me any reassurance at all.

June Raine is also the director of an insurance underwriting company which I found a bit strange.

294867 kf99, 7, #420 of 1591 🔗

Another mention for this week’s Tom Wood interview with Jay Bhattacharya. It’s really good and the kind of thing to point potential converts to.

294878 theanalyst, replying to theanalyst, 27, #421 of 1591 🔗

Home Burglar Alarms and Vaccines

I remember years ago my father-in-law did a stint selling burglar alarms. To his credit he hated it. The most effective way to make a sale was to get a seat at the kitchen table for 3 hours with husband and wife present and scare them both witless with tall tales of burglary, rape and murder. After 3 hours, if they could take the fear for that long without booting him out, he would generally get a sale. Fear was used to sell home burglar alarms. You can see where this is going.

Big Pharma and their buddies in government and media have really gone to town on using fear. The TV and Internet/ Social media is the same thing as my father in law getting his 3 hours at the kitchen table. Looks like they want to get 3 years instead of 3 hours (masks until 2022?). The scary cases and made up death counts are like the tall tales of burglary, rape and murder. The vaccine and future vaccines are like the home burglar alarm. We need to give them the boot, so they don’t have their way, forever. Life is too short. Make them stop the fear. They won’t until we make them.

Been wanting to write about that analogy for ages!

294885 ▶▶ Be Unshakeable, replying to theanalyst, 6, #422 of 1591 🔗

The perfect demonstration of fear as the yoke of control, as it always has been. It is up to us as individuals to manage our fear and confront and accept our mortality, no authoritarian (or alarm salesman!) would encourage us to neutralise the effect of their favourite mind hack.

294937 ▶▶▶ theanalyst, replying to Be Unshakeable, 2, #423 of 1591 🔗

Exactly. Why should they let go of a cunningly slick sales operation? The whole scam will have massively exceeded their expectations and they will definitely keep going as long as it is working well for them and makes their customers, the people, ‘feel safe’, just like home alarms do.

294948 ▶▶▶▶ RickH, replying to theanalyst, 4, #424 of 1591 🔗

It’s interesting to watch an apparently benign use of the Fear factor in operation during afternoon TV programmes, as the ‘vulnerable’ sector of the population is exploited in terms of various forms of ‘security’ – from funeral expenses to general insurance.

295053 ▶▶▶▶▶ Be Unshakeable, replying to RickH, 6, #425 of 1591 🔗

It is everywhere, constantly, drip drip drip of little kicks to the limbic system. It’s actually quite bad for your health – fear produces cortisol, which can cause significant organ damage over time. No wonder anti-depressants, beta blockers etc etc are seeing huge uptake too.

If you don’t educate yourself about the arts of manipulation and propaganda, and the psychological techniques to combat these, you will be a victim of constant abuse by a system that you have outsourced your well-being to. A system that really does not have your best interests at heart. It is your responsibility, otherwise others will shape your reality for you – you will be told what to think, how to act, what your desires are, who you should emulate, what you should wear, what to fear.

“That you are a slave, Neo. Like everyone else you were born into bondage. Into a prison that you cannot taste or see or touch. A prison for your mind.”

294902 ▶▶ OKUK, replying to theanalyst, 3, #426 of 1591 🔗

And a very good analogy it is too! Except for one thing – the chances of getting burgled in your lifetime will be 500 times the chances of dying of Covid!

294945 ▶▶▶ RickH, replying to OKUK, 2, #427 of 1591 🔗

… which brings us back to the sad fact of the inability of most people to assess risk.

294991 ▶▶▶ mjr, replying to OKUK, 4, #428 of 1591 🔗

and if you get burgled, the police dont come. if you break a covid rule …..

294938 ▶▶ RickH, replying to theanalyst, 3, #429 of 1591 🔗

Indeed. The method is well tried and tested. Ask Goebbels.

I think that the other dimension that con-artists tap into is, in fact, inherent decency and social trust. A lot of people can’t believe that government/authority can be so venal as to operate in a totally venal way as they spread misinformation through propaganda.

I find that this is one of the biggest barriers preventing otherwise fairly sceptical people from crossing over. They prefer to think of it all as ‘a bit of a mistake’.

294882 Noumenon, replying to Noumenon, 3, #430 of 1591 🔗

Santa is in his snowglobe.

I think they inadvertently created a masterpiece there, and they didn’t even know it.

295445 ▶▶ Nigel Sherratt, replying to Noumenon, #431 of 1591 🔗

Need a blower to swirl the fake snow about.

294883 Zak Thelotofem, replying to Zak Thelotofem, 12, #432 of 1591 🔗

I still can’t get my head round this statement on GOV.UK

Status of COVID-19
As of 19 March 2020, COVID-19 is no longer considered to be a high consequence infectious disease (HCID) in the UK.
The 4 nations public health HCID group made an interim recommendation in January 2020 to classify COVID-19 as an HCID. This was based on consideration of the UK HCID criteria about the virus and the disease with information available during the early stages of the outbreak. Now that more is known about COVID-19, the public health bodies in the UK have reviewed the most up to date information about COVID-19 against the UK HCID criteria. They have determined that several features have now changed; in particular, more information is available about mortality rates (low overall), and there is now greater clinical awareness and a specific and sensitive laboratory test, the availability of which continues to increase.
The Advisory Committee on Dangerous Pathogens (ACDP) is also of the opinion that COVID-19 should no longer be classified as an HCID.

https://www.gov.uk/guidance/high-consequence-infectious-diseases-hcid

294894 ▶▶ Nsklent, replying to Zak Thelotofem, 6, #433 of 1591 🔗

I’ve known this from the start – pity no real journalist asked a few pertinent questions about this when Boris and cabal were strutting their stuff on the podiums.

294931 ▶▶▶ RickH, replying to Nsklent, 8, #434 of 1591 🔗

The problem is finding truthful investigative journalists. The term ‘hens’ teeth’ comes to mind.

They have been largely replaced by an Oxbridge network of compliant luvvies.

295145 ▶▶▶▶ Ben, replying to RickH, 2, #435 of 1591 🔗

There are no journalists anymore. The State won’t tolerate them. We only have presstitutes parroting the prevailing narrative. It’s deafening

296147 ▶▶▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to Ben, #436 of 1591 🔗

Jon Rappoport.

296148 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ calchas, replying to JohnB, #437 of 1591 🔗

Whitney Webb.

294901 ▶▶ Wolver, replying to Zak Thelotofem, 7, #438 of 1591 🔗

Because over 99% who catch it survive and have no lasting effects. Hardly high consequence. Trouble is people have been scared into thinking the opposite.

294929 ▶▶ RickH, replying to Zak Thelotofem, 6, #439 of 1591 🔗

That was the last honest assessment made before the government shut down such opinion.

294930 ▶▶ Jo, replying to Zak Thelotofem, 9, #440 of 1591 🔗

Yes, I heard about it on 19 March. And naively thought there would not be a lockdown because of it. This was the real start of my knowledge that the whole thing was wrong.

294949 ▶▶ Margaret, replying to Zak Thelotofem, 5, #441 of 1591 🔗

My MP admitted last month in our phone conversation that he didn’t know this fact.

Isn’t Matt Han ( love the vaccination joke someone posted on here as to why the last bit of his name is missing) being threatened with court action by someone, somewhere for failing to notify MPs of this fact the week before Boris locked us down?

I also think that it ties in well with the post above from Victoria about the WHO changing the definition of a pandemic.

This was never going to be as serious as they made it out to be.

295095 ▶▶▶ Basileus, replying to Margaret, 1, #442 of 1591 🔗

Yes, just posted this above:

This is the substance of one of the charges brought by The Bernician. The fact that Hancock knew this several days before the Coronavirus act was voted on in the Commons.

296151 ▶▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to Basileus, #443 of 1591 🔗

So did my MP – if she read the email I sent her …

295041 ▶▶ JanMasarykMunich, replying to Zak Thelotofem, 1, #444 of 1591 🔗

Neither can I (get my head around it).

But it is well worth providing the link to extreme Covidians.

295093 ▶▶ Basileus, replying to Zak Thelotofem, 2, #445 of 1591 🔗

This is the substance of one of the charges brought by The Bernician. The fact that Hancock knew this several days before the Coronavirus act was voted on in the Commons.

295143 ▶▶ Ben, replying to Zak Thelotofem, 3, #446 of 1591 🔗

It is mind boggling isn’t it. A bad episode of Black Mirror.

Here’s Chris Whitty at a Downing Street briefing in May saying Covid-19 is ‘harmless to vast majority’

https://off-guardian.org/2020/05/15/watch-uk-chief-medic-confirms-again-covid19-harmless-to-vast-majority/

295286 ▶▶ Awkward Git, replying to Zak Thelotofem, #447 of 1591 🔗

Don’t forget this:

The first piece of “coronavirus” legislation was introduced at 2.30 pm on the 10th February 2020 without Parliamentary oversight or debate and is now revoked. This was The Health Protection (Coronavirus) Regulations 2020 Statutory Instrument and it was subsequently amended on the 25th February 2020.

This piece of legislation required a statement of “serious and imminent threat” by the Chief Medical Officer to justify any measures to be taken.

Rather prophetically there was an unannounced and totally unpublicised release of a statement on the 30th January 2020 by the 4 Chief Medical Officers of England, Wales, Northern Ireland and Scotland on this very subject. It stated:

“the 4 UK Chief Medical Officers consider it prudent for our governments to escalate planning and preparation in case of a more widespread outbreak.

For that reason, we are advising an increase of the UK risk level from low to moderate. This does not mean we think the risk to individuals in the UK has changed at this stage, but that government should plan for all eventualities.””

This statement was made 11 days before the piece of legislation it was required for was written and laid before Parliament and came into force the very same afternoon.

How did the 4 CMOs know 11 days in advance of a Statutory Instrument being written that “medical advice” would be required?

Why was this “advice” basically hidden on a webpage on a different department’s section and not on the DHSC webpages and why was it not linked to the Serious and Imminent Threat Declaration?

What in this statement is so frightening that required further legislation and lockdowns?

295443 ▶▶ Nigel Sherratt, replying to Zak Thelotofem, #448 of 1591 🔗

But strangely (as someone pointed out the other day) it’s still a notifiable disease although very few COVID deaths are actually notified. Asked my MP (Minister of State for Social Care) about that. I’m still waiting for a reply. Her minions visit here I believe so something might ping in soon. Has happened a couple of time in respone to other emails, coincidence no doubt.

294890 Steve Martindale, replying to Steve Martindale, #449 of 1591 🔗
294916 ▶▶ nottingham69, replying to Steve Martindale, 1, #450 of 1591 🔗

No and Brewer is a complete pie when she appears on the BBC. She makes sure she gets another booking.

295049 ▶▶▶ arfurmo, replying to nottingham69, #451 of 1591 🔗

I wonder how much they get paid for an appearance. £50, £500, £1000?

296143 ▶▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to arfurmo, #452 of 1591 🔗

£1K+ would be my guess.

294990 ▶▶ Dodderydude, replying to Steve Martindale, #453 of 1591 🔗

In spite of hearing and agreeing with Mike Yeadon on one day that the evidence about the PCR test and statistics shows demonstrably that there is no pandemic, she dances for joy the next day over the vaccine roll out. I’m not quite sure how her brain works. Tonight will be all about the vaccine so I fully expect her to be all in favour of it. I’ll be amazed if I’m proved wrong.

295076 ▶▶▶ Sophie123, replying to Dodderydude, #454 of 1591 🔗

Maybe she is hopeful that the vaccine will prove to be a panacea for the coronaphobics and their irrational fears can stop limiting everyone else’s freedoms? That’s my hope (probably a hope too far, I admit, but she’s perhaps less cynical than me).

296193 ▶▶▶ Borisbullshit, replying to Dodderydude, #455 of 1591 🔗

I dont think she has any clear principles really….she has always said she is a floating voter….I am always a bit suspicious of that. It can mean a lack of any deep rooted convictions…and she was pretty awful North London smug at the start of lockdown.

294897 Mayo, replying to Mayo, 24, #456 of 1591 🔗

I could missing something here but I have a couple of questions relating to the vaccine rollout

Yesterday morning my wife, a cancer patient, received an appointment letter for her regular (3 to 6 month) CT scan with Contrast. The letter arrived with the usual stuff including the Safety questionnaire which asks about any allergies. She’s filled out this same form at least 30 times over the past 8 years.   In fact, between us we must have been asked over 100 times at the local hospital if we have any allergies.

My first question, therefore, is this.   Why on earth did 2 NURSES – yes that’s NURSES  – who carried adrenaline shots in case of allergic reactions agree  to be vaccinated with a vaccine using a new technology which had only previously been given to a few thousand people?

But it gets worse.  Pfizer specifically excluded individuals with severe allergies from their Phase III Trials which are still ongoing by the way. Even so, it was apparently reported that 0.63% of those receiving the vaccine suffered allergic reactions (ITV report last night implied it was 10 times that).

My second question, then is why is it only now that the  UK regulators (MHRA)  are “changing  the advice”. Why didn’t they pick up on the allergy issues when they were carrying out their “rigorous safety assessments”.  The great fanfare following the announcement that the UK was first to approve the vaccine masked the fact that we might have been first because our regulators were utterly inept and unforgivably  negligent.

It’s probably not the best forum to ask this question but – Am I being unfair?

294904 ▶▶ Major Panic, replying to Mayo, 7, #457 of 1591 🔗

I’ll give it a go;

  1. MHRA have a different understanding of ”rigorous”
  2. the Nurses are unable to think for themselves
294914 ▶▶▶ swedenborg, replying to Major Panic, 5, #458 of 1591 🔗

I disagree with the 2 nd point. You can’t blame them for not reading the Pfizer protocol but you can blame MHRA not reading it. Besides as being NHS nursing staff,they  have mostly likely been vaccinated against HepB without serious reactions. Monumental blunder of MHRA. Head of it should resign.

294926 ▶▶▶▶ RickH, replying to swedenborg, 2, #459 of 1591 🔗

Head of it should resign.”

… but that supposes a degree of independence from government, swedenborg – and the position is filled by a place-woman.

295202 ▶▶▶▶ Mayo, replying to swedenborg, 1, #460 of 1591 🔗

I disagree with the 2nd point.

Why? Why would they need to read the Pfizer protocol. They are nurses, FFS – Nurse with allergies I would not dream of taking a ‘new’ vaccine unless I’d checked out the possible side effects and I only get a bit of hay fever.

Hospitals are constantly questioning patients about allergies before carrying out even the most routine procedure.

294925 ▶▶▶ RickH, replying to Major Panic, 1, #461 of 1591 🔗

Stop blaming the victims. Nurses are people.

294934 ▶▶▶▶ Major Panic, replying to RickH, 4, #462 of 1591 🔗

fair enough – but if I had severe allergic reactions to things I think I would take responsibility for myself and not leave it in the hands of others

seems to be what all this covid bollocks is about – taking responsibility for yourself

295010 ▶▶▶▶▶ RickH, replying to Major Panic, #463 of 1591 🔗

Steve & Major : Self-righteousness and preaching is easy. Behaviour is complex.

All your ‘ought-to’s’ are totally beside the point, and won’t cut the mustard.

295058 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Major Panic, replying to RickH, 1, #464 of 1591 🔗

making a comment is neither self-righteous or preaching – behaviour is indeed complex and is equally as irrelevant as ”nurses are people”

I thought it might be obvious that I had put MHRA as no.1 culprit obviously – but personal responsibility is a factor for me.

But thanks for the laugh, still tickling me… ” self-righteousness and preaching”

295212 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Mayo, replying to RickH, 1, #465 of 1591 🔗


Stop making excuses for gross stupidity. These 2 nurses routinely carry epi-pens in case of severe allergic reaction.

294944 ▶▶▶▶ Steve, replying to RickH, 3, #466 of 1591 🔗

Are they illiterate? Are the people who administered it also illiterate? I don’t take any medication without looking at the sheet. I was aware of the allergy issue days ago. People need to take responsibility for their own decisions.

295207 ▶▶▶▶ Mayo, replying to RickH, #467 of 1591 🔗

People who just happen to be a bit dense – particularly when considering hospital culture regarding allergic reactions.

296194 ▶▶▶▶ Borisbullshit, replying to RickH, #468 of 1591 🔗

Blimey even Johnson is a person Rick! A shit one I know!

294923 ▶▶ RickH, replying to Mayo, 4, #469 of 1591 🔗

No – you’re not being unfair. Interesting to compare the 0.63% rate of reaction to the Covid IFR that is used to send the population into panic.

The problem is that the NHS is entirely compromised at top management level, just like MHRA and SAGE. I’ve just been in hospital for 24hrs. Fortunately, on the ward, patients aren’t stifled by masks – although whilst waiting for admission, I was ‘instructed’ to pull my mask over my nose by a female gauleiter who obviously had no idea of anything other than the instructions she had been given (I mean – dealing with cardiac symptoms including shortness of breath by blocking the airways is a great idea 🙂 ).

That was the one argument I had. … but I felt for staff (including those with allergies) who obviously were ordered to gag themselves without any exercise scientific judgment; the descent of medicine into the realms of witchcraft by fiat is truly frightening. The situation is one of political/managerial corruption/incompetence at the highest level – not something that the professionals can easily resist on a solo basis, so self-righteous preaching from our side is totally pointless, although, in conversation, you can push the truth somewhat. Just forget the soap box.

294955 ▶▶▶ Saved To Death, replying to RickH, 9, #470 of 1591 🔗

How harmful does an order have to be before they stop choosing to obey them and instead start to stand up for the truth and the needs of the patients they are employed to care for.

If a building falls down and is found to have been built based on hysterics and an abandonment of established scientific principles can the architect and engineers who built it avoid prosecution and all consequences by claiming that they were ordered to do so by management? They knew it was dangerous and would fall but they were told to keep quite and were worried for their jobs. They are the ones who are expected to know when to say no that is not acceptable and I will not do it.

They are adults. They are professionals. They may have been ordered but they still have choice. They choose the path they have taken. It leads only to ever more harmful orders.

OK I will put the soap box away now.

295001 ▶▶▶▶ RickH, replying to Saved To Death, #471 of 1591 🔗

Here, I think that you are over-simplifying. The vast majority will actually believe that, on balance, masks are’a good and necessary thing’.

I think you’re being a bit self-righteous about the workings of propaganda.

295348 ▶▶▶▶▶ Saved To Death, replying to RickH, 3, #472 of 1591 🔗

If the vast majority actually believe they are on balance good and necessary things then why did they only start wearing them when ordered to by management?

I had the misfortune of having several surgeries followed by hospital stays about 10 years ago with many out patient appointments in between. The only time I ever saw a member of staff in a mask was immediately before being anaesthetised when the surgeons walked in.

294947 ▶▶ Pancho the Grey, replying to Mayo, 2, #473 of 1591 🔗

Rigorous safety assessment my bottom!

294899 RickH, replying to RickH, 11, #475 of 1591 🔗

“One in Five UK Adults Do Not Think Covid Vaccines Are Safe”
I reckon this is a useful wedge to contribute to the sceptical case – and it has relevance on a wider basis in terms of the false information provided by the government initiative. Givn the massive advertising campaign operated by (particularly) the BBC, it’s a hopeful sign of dawning reality.

But I reckon that it’s up to those of us who are already sceptical to not ove-egg the argument. Wild bug-eyed statements about genocide and the threat of instant death from the latest in a long line of little pricks aren’t going to cut the mustard. They will simply do the work of 77th Brigade for it.

What is needed is simple, calm reasoning, based on the totally flawed case for a rushed vaccine :

  • Is it needed for a virus like this in the first place (which opens up a whole range of issues)?
  • The past record on vaccines – even those with a good record of testing
  • The massive and obvious question of the contrast with normal testing requirements and the time span required. Has past practise really been based on mythological fears?

The wedge for imparting good information is there (yesterday I heard a nurse suffering from allergies say “No Way!” to early acceptance). The opportunity needs to be used carefully.

294942 ▶▶ Saved To Death, replying to RickH, 4, #476 of 1591 🔗

I think the key question is how can anyone administering this vaccine consider the patient to have given informed consent under these circumstances.

If someone wants to take an unnecessary and rushed vaccine and they understand this then I think they should be free to do so. The problem is not so much this as the misrepresentation(to put it mildly) that is being used to coerce people into having this vaccine.

294996 ▶▶▶ RickH, replying to Saved To Death, #477 of 1591 🔗

Agreement is implicit in my posting – it’s about the best way to counter misinformation.

295066 ▶▶ Ben, replying to RickH, 4, #478 of 1591 🔗

The vaccine manufacturers don’t think they’re safe either – otherwise they wouldn’t be indemnified

295087 ▶▶ JanMasarykMunich, replying to RickH, 1, #479 of 1591 🔗

Yes, absolutely, overblown claims do not help. I also think strong focus needs to be maintained on keeping vaccine voluntary, really voluntary (no IDs, discrimination, etc.)

On 77th brigade, I often wonder whether some of them do not become ‘turned’ by exposure to websites like this (where they come into contact with ‘alternative’ info). Which makes it all the more important to keep the quality of our info/arguments high. Surely, some of them must start having some doubts. (Maybe — if anyone currently here is 77th — you could give us some coded feedback…)

296134 ▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to JanMasarykMunich, #480 of 1591 🔗

…you could give us some coded feedback…)

Smeeeeg heeeed …

(apologies to the excellent Red Dwarf).

294903 swedenborg, replying to swedenborg, 12, #481 of 1591 🔗

https://twitter.com/dwnews/status/1336616315021389824

“I really am sorry, from the bottom of my heart. But if the price we pay is 590 deaths a day then this in unacceptable.” German Chancellor Angela Merkel begs Germans to follow coronavirus restrictions in an unusually emotional appeal ahead of Christmas.”

 Amazing to see the many positive comments about this “caring leader”. See only cheap theatre and the usual blame game for an unstoppable respiratory virus.

294927 ▶▶ DavidC, replying to swedenborg, 5, #482 of 1591 🔗

Shre’s stupid. Ask her how many people die a day, on average, in a regular year in Germany and ask her how many have been dying each day this year and she will have no idea. To use Taleb’s term, IYI – Intellectual Yet Idiot.

DavidC

294928 ▶▶ Saved To Death, replying to swedenborg, 9, #483 of 1591 🔗

Yet Germany has not had any excess deaths this year and this still remains the case.

294993 ▶▶▶ RickH, replying to Saved To Death, 6, #484 of 1591 🔗

This is the point of why all-cause mortality (forget ‘excess’ figures – they’re a rubber ruler) is the only data to be relied upon. ‘Covid’ deaths are fiction spun to make cloth of propaganda.

The truth about those 500+ deaths is that the vast majority were inevitable and were not caused by Covid.

It’s quite possible that Merkel believes this shit. The really alarming thing is that people with power are that gullible and innumerate.

295019 ▶▶▶▶ MiriamW-sometimes-AlanG, replying to RickH, 1, #485 of 1591 🔗

Emotional appeals by politicians seem all the rage now. Someone remind me how many people die every day . No Rick, I do not buy that Merkel believes this shit. MW

295077 ▶▶▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to RickH, 2, #486 of 1591 🔗

Well said

They will also spin any deaths soon after vaccination as “they were old, old people die. Look all cause deaths is not moving over previous years”

Psychological warfare this.

295189 ▶▶▶▶ JanMasarykMunich, replying to RickH, 2, #487 of 1591 🔗

Yes, I wonder that. Despite her physics degree, my impression is that Merkel is not that bright. Rather over- obedient and also authoritarian personality (yes, both) who is in complete thrall to her experts. You think Witless and Unbalanced are bad, try Drosten and Lauterbach.

Lauterbach even propagated a ‘study’ that Covid reduces people’s IQ by 8 percent. (To which, commentators pointed out that, if Lauterbach caught it, then his IQ would move into negative territory).

https://www.achgut.com/artikel/karl_lauterbach_und_der_iq_verlust_macht_corona_dumm

295057 ▶▶ Mabel Cow, replying to swedenborg, 8, #488 of 1591 🔗

But if the price we pay is 590 deaths a day then this in unacceptable.

Dear Angela

It might be unacceptable to you, but it’s perfectly acceptable to me. Everyone dies of something, and very old people can die from practically anything. Feel free to sit on your own at Christmas if you like, that’s your prerogative, but don’t you dare tell me what I can and cannot do.

Season’s greetings
Mabel

295061 ▶▶ Ben, replying to swedenborg, 6, #489 of 1591 🔗

I watched a Sucharit Bhakdi interview at the beginning of this scamdemic. I think he said around 2000 people die every day in Germany normally (I could be wrong).

But this is frightening from Merkel, considering Germany’s fascistic history. I’m presuming the German government is counting normal influenza deaths as ‘Covid’ deaths and politicising them – which is evil.

It is five minutes to midnight in Germany. Merkel is pushing the minute hand towards midnight.

295173 ▶▶▶ JanMasarykMunich, replying to Ben, 6, #490 of 1591 🔗

Yes, it was Drosten who made up the fraudulent PCR test.

295430 ▶▶▶ Nigel Sherratt, replying to Ben, 1, #491 of 1591 🔗

She emerged from East Germany after the fall of the wall. Her father took the family there from West Germany so there’s obviously some genetic insanity! She was some sort of agitprop official in DDR.

296127 ▶▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to Nigel Sherratt, #492 of 1591 🔗

There are websites that will explain, in great detail, that she is Hitler’s daughter.

295069 ▶▶ Nobody2020, replying to swedenborg, 1, #493 of 1591 🔗

If people are dying from a positive test for Sars-cov-2 then stop testing and they’ll stop dying from it.

If they’re dying from COVID-19 then I insist that some proof is provided that all those deaths have some commonality other than a positive test as above.

295164 ▶▶ JanMasarykMunich, replying to swedenborg, 2, #494 of 1591 🔗

Indeed, indeed. The German websites that I follow have nothing good to say about her. She is regarded as a heartless and authoritarian personality. (She was a pretty loyal DDR citizen.) I personally regard her as one of the most dangerous politicians around. (But German MSM is even more regime-controlled than UK MSM.)

In general, Germany has far a much better public image over Covid than it deserves. In as far as it has comparatively ‘done well’, this is probably mostly because it has a better health system than UK or Spain, for instance. Though, there are always many factors involved in these cross-country (or even regional) comparisons and they need to be treated with extreme circumspection.

Germany is also full-in for the ‘only vaccines can save us’ narrative because of BioNTech’s involvement.

Merkel/Germany is not so popular abroad. There seems to be quite a lot of anger here in CH at Germany (and France, Italy) trying to lean on CH government for stricter measures. Similarly, Germany tried to exert pressure on CZR, when it was perceived not to be toeing the line.

https://www.achgut.com/artikel/die_kanzlerin_leidenschaft_im_qualitaetsmedium

https://www.achgut.com/artikel/das_kalte_herz
M erkel fordert europaweites Skiverbot – Schweiz sperrt sich

295464 ▶▶▶ Silke David, replying to JanMasarykMunich, #495 of 1591 🔗

As a German in England I follow what happens there with a more and more heavy heart.
I would like to see my family, which I last saw in March just at the beginning of this shit show.
Sadly, although definitely not enthusiastic followers, they go along.
I believe Merkel has been at the top for too long. We saw the same with Kohl. She is in her Ivory tower and has lost all connection with the commoners.

295664 ▶▶▶▶ Tom in Scotland, replying to Silke David, #496 of 1591 🔗

I think grand coalitions are toxic to democracy. Totally agree that Merkel has been in power for too long and it’s unfortunate that the grand coalition means there is so little credible opposition.

295660 ▶▶▶ Tom in Scotland, replying to JanMasarykMunich, #497 of 1591 🔗

Thanks for these insights. I had suspected for a while now that the early positive impressions of Germany were premature and undeserved. Totally agree about her heartless, authoritarian personality. Opening up to all and sundry in 2015 was dangerous to her country and angered a lot of neighbouring countries. I really do question her judgement and her grip on reality.

296129 ▶▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to Tom in Scotland, #498 of 1591 🔗

She was and still is following orders. We know the agenda now.

294909 Chloe, replying to Chloe, 11, #499 of 1591 🔗

I’ve been wondering how the vaccine passports will work for those who are advised against taking it. This list of exempt people is clearly growing by the day as evidenced by the allergic reactions earlier this week, and I’m sure there will be many more to come. I’m looking to start a family next year, and fall under this category (I wouldn’t have taken the vaccine regardless, mind you). But if airlines, concerts and sports venues are going to start requiring vaccination evidence, what happens to those who are actually advised against it by the manufacturer themselves?

294915 ▶▶ godowneasy, replying to Chloe, 3, #500 of 1591 🔗

I hope I’m wrong but I would imagine it will be either a) vaccine “passport” or b) official exemption certificate.

294924 ▶▶▶ Sam Vimes, replying to godowneasy, 9, #501 of 1591 🔗

Or as ve uzed to zay, “Papers please”.

294943 ▶▶ Pancho the Grey, replying to Chloe, 4, #502 of 1591 🔗

There are a lot of people with self-diagnosed allergies (but who don’t carry epi-pens) who will no doubt be worried by this and who will now avoid a vaccination.

295015 ▶▶▶ MiriamW-sometimes-AlanG, replying to Pancho the Grey, 4, #503 of 1591 🔗

Not to mention anyone with a self-diagnosed brain. And not ‘a vaccination’ just these unnecessary, barely-tested, controversial ones which apparently won’t actually work as vaccines against CV19 anyway MW

295040 ▶▶ Ben, replying to Chloe, 8, #504 of 1591 🔗

Those with principles, who decide against having a rushed, indemnified experimental vaccine injected into their bodies may likely be excluded from certain arenas of life. But they shall be on the right side of history unlike the cowards who are helping the State to build a global tech controlled concentration camp.

295055 ▶▶ maggie may, replying to Chloe, 2, #505 of 1591 🔗

My thoughts Chloe are that they will very soon discover that such a system of vaccine identity just wont work. I find it hard to believe the South Med countries for example, with their huge reliance on tourism will prevent people from coming just because of the vaccine, especially when covid has become just another illness like flu that strikes at certain times of year. Airlines who insist are going to find that some of their competitors won’t insist and then it will all be conveniently shelved. but maybe I’m too much of a optimist!

295060 ▶▶▶ Chloe, replying to maggie may, 3, #506 of 1591 🔗

We are sorely in need of optimism at the moment so I really appreciate your positive outlook!

295204 ▶▶▶ JanMasarykMunich, replying to maggie may, 2, #507 of 1591 🔗

Yes, commercial pressure will hopefully work in our favour.

I about to ask for a refund for cancelled flights from easyjet and will tell them that I will not be flying until mandatory masks are lifted, and I will not be flying if a vaccination is required.

It is worrying vaccine-IDs are even being considered. But I am afraid it is a Gates/WEF agenda and there are powerful interests pushing for this.

295073 ▶▶ Norman, replying to Chloe, 3, #508 of 1591 🔗

Is coercion legal under the Nuremberg Convention? This discussion misses the point – perhaps deliberately – that being hypothetically forced to carry a vaccine card isn’t informed consent. It’s subjecting a person to the will of the state by telling them that they can’t live a normal life without being jabbed

https://factcheck.afp.com/principles-nuremberg-code-are-compatible-vaccination

How can a vaccine get emergency authorisation if other effective treatments are available, e.g. Vitamin D and the drug Ivermectin. It should surely continue safety trials to the end and then be authorised.

295131 ▶▶▶ Ben, replying to Norman, 2, #509 of 1591 🔗

Coercion invalidates consent. So no

294920 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to Basics, 1, #511 of 1591 🔗

No shame

294939 ▶▶ Pancho the Grey, replying to Basics, 6, #512 of 1591 🔗

He would never be treated by the NHS. His home is reputed to be in Lapland (although the Canadians dispute that) so it would be the Finnish or Canadian health system that would treat him, unless he fell ill on Chritmas eve during deliveries, in which case attracting the attention of the NHS or getting a diagnosis would probably be impossible.

295012 ▶▶▶ MiriamW-sometimes-AlanG, replying to Pancho the Grey, 6, #513 of 1591 🔗

Also someone that old and overweight would have a DNR notice. MW

294954 ▶▶ Hieronimusb, replying to Basics, 2, #514 of 1591 🔗

Santa went BUPA donkey’s years ago when they offered to treat the elves for free in return for extra ‘presents’.

295168 ▶▶ The Filthy Engineer, replying to Basics, 6, #515 of 1591 🔗

The other NHS advert that I nearly vomited over was on ITV last night. With actors “exhaling” fluorescent green “fumes” that were supposed to be representative of “covid particles” (their exact terminology) they trotted out, the now debunked meme, of asymptomatic transmission.

295291 ▶▶▶ Templeton, replying to The Filthy Engineer, 1, #516 of 1591 🔗

I screamed at that one yesterday. Is there anywhere I can start to make complaints about these adverts?
They are like pre-watershed horror stories.

295226 ▶▶ Be Unshakeable, replying to Basics, 1, #517 of 1591 🔗

Sick fucks.

294921 Victoria, replying to Victoria, 8, #518 of 1591 🔗

Are we repeating mistakes form the 1976 Swine flu?

How Changing the Definition of Pandemic Altered Our World

  • Had it not been for the World Health Organization changing the definition of “pandemic,” COVID-19 would no longer be an issue. The WHO’s original definition of a pandemic specified simultaneous epidemics worldwide “ with enormous numbers of deaths and illnesses”
  • This definition was changed in the month leading up to the 2009 swine flu pandemic. The WHO removed the severity and high mortality criteria, leaving the definition of a pandemic as “ a worldwide epidemic of a disease
  • This is how COVID-19 is still promoted as a pandemic even though it has caused no excess mortality in nine months
  • In 1976, fear of an impending swine flu pandemic led to the deployment of a fast-tracked vaccine that injured thousands and killed at least 300. In the end, the pandemic never materialized. The 1976 swine flu vaccine program has been cited as the origin of the anti-vaccine movement
  • Other hyped pandemics that were predicted to become global killers — but didn’t — include the 2005 bird flu outbreak and the H1N1 swine flu pandemic of 2009, a vaccine for which caused narcolepsy in thousands of European children

The WHO’s original definition of a pandemic was:

“… when a new influenza virus appears against which the human population has no immunity, resulting in several, simultaneous epidemics worldwide with enormous numbers of deaths and illness.”

This definition was changed in the month leading up to the 2009 swine flu pandemic. The change was a simple but substantial one: They merely removed the severity and high mortality criteria , leaving the definition of a pandemic as “a worldwide epidemic of a disease.”

..

We now have plenty of data showing the lethality of COVID-19 is on par with the seasonal flu.

It may be different in terms of symptoms and complications, but the actual lethality is about the same.

The absolute risk of death is equivalent to the risk of dying in a car accident.

The Swine Flu Fraud of 1976
Projections suggested the dreaded virus would kill 1 million Americans before the end of 1976. “The government propaganda machine cranked into action,” “60 Minutes” says, urging all Americans to get vaccinated against the swine flu.

46 million Americans got the vaccine, and over the next few years, thousands of Americans filed vaccine damage claims with the federal government

$3.5 Billion Dollars in Damages Paid for Vaccine Injuries
The final claims amount for the nearly 4,000 claimants ended up totaling $3.5 billion. Two-thirds of the claimants suffered neurological damage and at least 300 of them died from vaccine side effects. In the end, the pandemic itself never materialized .

CDC Lied About Swine Flu Vaccine Safety

https://articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2020/12/10/1976-swine-flu-pandemic.aspx

294940 ▶▶ leggy, replying to Victoria, 5, #519 of 1591 🔗

We’re not repeating mistakes, we’re just being spun a similar yarn, albeit this time with bells and whistles on. Sadly, Paul Flynn passed on last year otherwise I’d hope he’d be all over this as he was with H1N1.

https://assembly.coe.int/CommitteeDocs/2010/20100604_H1N1pandemic_e.pdf

294979 ▶▶ Ben, replying to Victoria, 5, #520 of 1591 🔗

Swine Flu fraud of 1976. The same rhetoric from politicians as is happening now

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=q7Aw1LnfOfk

294935 stefarm, 2, #521 of 1591 🔗

Do we really believe 2 nurses had an allergic reaction?

More confusion to keep us talking about it.

294936 Basics, replying to Basics, 4, #522 of 1591 🔗

Richie Allen Radio Show yesterday. Good look at msm reporting of the latest vaccine propaganda.

https://www.podomatic.com/podcasts/richieallen/episodes/2020-12-09T10_56_28-08_00

294941 ▶▶ stefarm, replying to Basics, 2, #523 of 1591 🔗

Listening to it now

295127 ▶▶ Two-Six, replying to Basics, 1, #524 of 1591 🔗

It was a great show yesterday from Richie

294952 Basics, replying to Basics, 3, #525 of 1591 🔗

https://youtu.be/y-QQdheISPI

Remember when a documentary used to inform for the full length of programme not just stretch out a meagre ration of paltry half facts?

Here’s a new episode of The Corbett Report in the greatest of the old tradition of documentaries making a real informing investigation into a topical subject. 48 minutes. it sets down in great detail the case for eugenics being among us now. For having never gone away. The documentary encompasses much of the psychology and behavioural modification research that fuels todays evil psychologists.

Footage of a 1970s mouse behavioural study is apart of the film.

Not a light watch, but fantastic in bringing a new, well-founded angle to the events of 2020.

295068 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to Basics, 2, #526 of 1591 🔗

He’s excellent.

295412 ▶▶ Nigel Sherratt, replying to Basics, #527 of 1591 🔗

Sweden had compulsory sterilisation on medical, eugenic and mental health grounds until 1970s.

294958 Ben, replying to Ben, 12, #528 of 1591 🔗

Video interview. Ernst Wolff. 30th March, 2020 (German with English subtitles) 39 minutes

“It is a deliberate induction of a crash; this crash is deliberately brought about.”

“I think that the hysteria surrounding the Coronavirus serves the purpose of dispossession; they will need to have the people under control.”

“We are witnessing an internationally orchestrated, fascistic finance coup.”

#Corona: The Collapse of the System (Ernst Wolff)

https://m.youtube.com/watch?feature=youtu.be&v=8LYjOEib9iI

295129 ▶▶ Ben, replying to Ben, 2, #529 of 1591 🔗

I wish Ernst Wolff produced more content in English. I’d also like to know his opinion on the World Economic Forum and the Great Reset.

296114 ▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to Ben, #530 of 1591 🔗

They are BAD THINGS.

Next question …

296120 ▶▶ calchas, replying to Ben, #531 of 1591 🔗

Ernst Wollf is a very sharp commentator.

I agree with about 90% of his diagnosis.

Thw world financial system is on its deathbed – the authorities are desperately seeking a way to avoid hyperinflation.

294959 JYC, 20, #532 of 1591 🔗

Today’s post highlights the SNP’s cancelling of exams next year. Yes, parents are angry and disappointed. But most of the same parents will dutifully put their masks on when they go to the shops, won’t have others in their homes until whatever date they’re allowed and meekly go back to following the draconian impositions that will come in the new year, without seeing that it is all part of the same problem. Will we ever wake up?

294966 peter, replying to peter, 1, #533 of 1591 🔗

edit

294972 ▶▶ Ed Phillips, replying to peter, 2, #534 of 1591 🔗

This is an edited post as well.
Hi!

294969 calchas, replying to calchas, 6, #535 of 1591 🔗

Belgium tightens the screw.

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294976 ▶▶ Hieronimusb, replying to calchas, 18, #536 of 1591 🔗

Fnar. Looking at the photo is enough to put any idea of sexual activity out of your mind for weeks, perhaps that’s the intention or maybe the Belgians aren’t that fussy.

294984 ▶▶▶ calchas, replying to Hieronimusb, 12, #537 of 1591 🔗

That article raises so many issues:

What about polyamorous setups ?

What does she mean by ‘non-essential’?

who is to decide whether a sexual activity is ‘essential or not?

Who decides whether an activity is sexual ?

It just goes on and on.

295294 ▶▶▶▶ Hieronimusb, replying to calchas, 2, #538 of 1591 🔗

All good questions, fucked if I know..

295003 ▶▶▶ Dame Lynet, replying to Hieronimusb, 4, #539 of 1591 🔗

Thanks for saving me from finding a way to put it…

295004 ▶▶▶▶ Liam, replying to Dame Lynet, 2, #540 of 1591 🔗

Oo er! 😉

295297 ▶▶▶▶ Hieronimusb, replying to Dame Lynet, 1, #541 of 1591 🔗

It’s a job to find where to put it these days.

294977 ▶▶ Liam, replying to calchas, 15, #542 of 1591 🔗

Having seen that picture I’ve kind of gone off the whole idea anyway…..

294980 ▶▶ Winston Smith, replying to calchas, 24, #543 of 1591 🔗

Fucking hell, she’s the health minister?! She should ban herself from eating to many pies to be fair.

I’m I sure she won’t get any sexual activity, non-essential or essential, anyway 😱

294987 ▶▶▶ Richard Pinch, replying to Winston Smith, 1, #544 of 1591 🔗

No, she isn’t the Health Minister: she left office on 1st October. The current minister is Frank Vandenbroucke.

294983 ▶▶ mjr, replying to calchas, 8, #545 of 1591 🔗

i thought this was about the EEC banning whaling again
what a lifetime of eating the belgian national dish (pommes frites avec mayo) does for you

294986 ▶▶ Ben, replying to calchas, 14, #546 of 1591 🔗

If this is not a joke, then in actuality the Belgian Government is assuming control over citizens’ private lives

It’s a declaration of war – you are no longer individual citizens with human rights, you are property of the State

Considering Belgium’s brutal history of colonialism and slavery, this doesn’t surprise me one bit

294989 ▶▶ MiriamW-sometimes-AlanG, replying to calchas, 13, #547 of 1591 🔗

For God’s sake don’t let Biker see this!!! MW

295155 ▶▶▶ Bruce Reynolds, replying to MiriamW-sometimes-AlanG, 5, #548 of 1591 🔗

For God sake LET biker see this it will be poetry in motion!

295230 ▶▶▶▶ MiriamW-sometimes-AlanG, replying to Bruce Reynolds, 2, #549 of 1591 🔗

You tell him then. We want indemnity against any adverse reactions.

Btw, what precisely does the good lady regard as ‘essential’ threesomes in indoor areas?

MW/AG

295002 ▶▶ Be Unshakeable, replying to calchas, 12, #550 of 1591 🔗

I think it’s safe to assume that health is quite a low priority for the Health Minister of Belgium, though she herself is exempt from the ruling as a JCB operator is essential to her sexual activity.

295009 ▶▶▶ kh1485, replying to Be Unshakeable, 14, #551 of 1591 🔗

Funny that when I was visited by the Environmental Health Officer back in September she too looked like she was not a stranger to the biscuit tin.

295007 ▶▶ mhcp, replying to calchas, 2, #552 of 1591 🔗

Another Maggie used as a prophylactic

295008 ▶▶ Lockdown_Lunacy, replying to calchas, 6, #553 of 1591 🔗

Wtf is a non essential sexual activity? 🤣

295014 ▶▶▶ Liam, replying to Lockdown_Lunacy, 6, #554 of 1591 🔗

I’ll tell you as soon as I’m finished!

295029 ▶▶▶ cubby, replying to Lockdown_Lunacy, 5, #555 of 1591 🔗

Foreplay!

295150 ▶▶▶ Spikedee1, replying to Lockdown_Lunacy, 2, #556 of 1591 🔗

And more importantly, where can I get it?

295171 ▶▶▶ Be Unshakeable, replying to Lockdown_Lunacy, 2, #557 of 1591 🔗

Post-marriage starfish sex.

295401 ▶▶▶ stefarm, replying to Lockdown_Lunacy, #558 of 1591 🔗

Leaving the light on

295083 ▶▶ JVS, replying to calchas, 2, #559 of 1591 🔗

Lordy! Thought I was chubby!! So… not banned if its outdoors?

295139 ▶▶ Doodle, replying to calchas, 7, #560 of 1591 🔗

Whoa! Someone has finally succeeded in putting lipstick on a pig.

295198 ▶▶ The Filthy Engineer, replying to calchas, 1, #561 of 1591 🔗

I like the idea of the screw being tightened. Especially while I’m gimped up 😉

But for the love of all that is holy she is hardly and advert for good health with her apparent morbid obesity!

I just looked up here details to: Even more surprised to find that she is also a qualified Doctor. Yet another case of, “do as you are told not as I do”.

295398 ▶▶ Ken Gardner, replying to calchas, 1, #562 of 1591 🔗

And why is she Health Minister?

295399 ▶▶ Nigel Sherratt, replying to calchas, 1, #563 of 1591 🔗

Fake news apparently but not that fake. She resigned to spend more time with her family in September after some scandal (very Belgian). Overdoing the pommes frites and mayo by the looks of it.

294978 George Mc, replying to George Mc, 17, #564 of 1591 🔗

I make the following remarks as someone who always considered himself to be on the Left. And so it pains me to say this.

My own view that it is the Left who are being used as the “shock troops” of this covid manoeuvre i.e. that the “fight against covid” is being sold as a “progressive” cause. And, from this perspective, all scepticism has effectively been neutralised as long as it is presented as coming from the Right. I see for example that Mike Yeadon’s excellent attack on the entire PCR test fallacy is being promoted by James Delingpole, executive editor for Breitbart London. That connection alone would be enough for the mainstream Left to completely rule it out of court. And the entire mainstream media (presenting itself as “centrist”) would not hesitate to use the same device.

I temporarily fell out with a Marxist writer, Philip Roddis of Steel City Scribblings , because he first acknowledged the sceptical view as a “libertarian” issue. Granted, I was angry at this and was somewhat tactless in my response. However, it still grates with me – indeed all the more so since I see this manoeuvre being rolled out with increasing frequency elsewhere.

It is precisely as a Leftist that I understand the psychology involved i.e. the sectarianism which trumps all argument. Indeed, I have – with favour – linked to a Daily Mail article and I was aware of the tension within myself for doing so. Strange days. But I have now sadly come to the conclusion that much of the Left (as with the Right too) are under a surreptitious control in a wider game.

294997 ▶▶ Tommo, replying to George Mc, 13, #565 of 1591 🔗

I’m in the same boat as you. Always considered myself on the left, but have spent unimaginable amount of time past few months reading articles in the Spectator, Telegraph and Daily Mail! Strange times. I think you are spot on when you say “the “fight against covid” is being sold as a “progressive” cause”. This is very frustrating. For lefty types I know, there is no limit to the restrictions they would endorse – if it saves just one life from COVID. It doesn’t seem to matter to them that the restrictions could/would cost a lot more lives in other ways. Just madness.

295013 ▶▶▶ kf99, replying to Tommo, 10, #566 of 1591 🔗

The problem is the conditioning that politics is a simple spectrum left to right.

Completely ignoring the “y-axis” at 90 degrees from liberty to authority. I think the relaunched SDP has made this point, no other party seems interested.

295023 ▶▶▶▶ Mabel Cow, replying to kf99, 2, #567 of 1591 🔗

This.

295080 ▶▶▶▶ RickH, replying to kf99, #568 of 1591 🔗

Not sure that the SDP is doing anything much different, actually.

295030 ▶▶▶ RickH, replying to Tommo, 4, #569 of 1591 🔗

Part of the problem is describing things in ‘left/right’ terms. The same happens on the right, where there is a split between factions both calling themselves ‘right’.

A lot of the left have been pathetic in this. Interestingly, the authoritarians range from the Tooting left (remember Wolfie) to the Starmer right. It is the latter, who control the PLP, and the Union leadership, who are the larger disgrace – the Tooting lot were always irrelevant rattling vessels.

But, there’s a hell of a lot of sceptics I know who are on the left. Ironically, they are largely ones who opposed Brexit (another myth) – again illustrating the fallacy of simplistic labels. Many are in that group who now despair of the Labour Party, including those who have departed from it.

So – it’s not simple, and represents a different dimension in political allegiance.

295022 ▶▶ calchas, replying to George Mc, 7, #570 of 1591 🔗

Great comment.

I see the plutocrats as having co-opted a great deal of ‘the Left’ over the last 15 years Indeed in the UK this goes right back to Blair of course. A great deal of what is happening now folows the logic of ‘Blairism’, which is mostly derived from the Fabian Society, from which the present authoritarian ‘liberal left’ is descended, although there is also Trotskyist admixture.

George Orwell, with his more freewheeling idea of socialism was well acquainted with this strand of thought, knew exactly what it was, and knew exactly that it had nothing to say to the common people.

Antony Sutton, amongst others, demonstrated the links of the plutocrats to the Bolsheviks, so I think the plutocrats have been well aware for at least one hundred years of the potential from their point of view.

295039 ▶▶ Noumenon, replying to George Mc, 5, #571 of 1591 🔗

I’m similar, but I’d say that more fundamental is that it’s being sold as a ‘compassionate’ cause. The progressiveness is secondary to this. It’s the old good vs. evil chestnut.

295059 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to George Mc, 5, #572 of 1591 🔗

Couldn’t agree more.

I’ve shared more Conservative websites and clips of MPs making speeches this year than ever. I’ve been accused of being right wing, Trump loving, the lot.

The socialists local to my area have been totally enraging. All about big handouts from government to kepp people out of work, masks everywhere and zero Covid.

It’s awful. They regularly link the very small anti lockdown protests here to right wing groups and individuals by name. They are pathetic.

Their leader is a civil rights hero here (Eammon McCann) and I mean that. But they’ve gone down the rabbit hole now, never to return.

They have spent much of their time at Council putting forward amazing policy ideas like using public money to give out free masks to poor households. Awful stuff.

295071 ▶▶ James, replying to George Mc, 9, #573 of 1591 🔗

I agree with you entirely. I have been an environmentalist since I was 8 years old. Ten years ago something shifted in the environmental debate. Effectively, it got highjacked. Environmentalists, feminists, anti racism campaigners and even anti capitalist radicals are being manipulated by forces I do not see but deduce the existence of. It is very clever and quite sick.

295197 ▶▶ Two-Six, replying to George Mc, 4, #574 of 1591 🔗

“The Left” is now a state sponsored fake left. Two cheeks of the same backside. The Deep State is in control.

295247 ▶▶ MiriamW-sometimes-AlanG, replying to George Mc, 3, #575 of 1591 🔗

Strange days indeed. We had the same problem with Philip Roddis. We’ve also parted company with Media Lens, The Lifeboat News and the London Review of Books over this.
AG

295712 ▶▶▶ George Mc, replying to MiriamW-sometimes-AlanG, 1, #576 of 1591 🔗

Philip is a very congenial guy – like an old fashioned gentleman who really does get upset about confrontation. He has given room to “the other side” which, for him, means the sceptical side. And yet I can’t help feeling that he just doesn’t get it. His attitude is “Wait and see!” not realising that, if covid is a hoax, no-one behind it (and that means the ones in charge) will ever admit to it any more than they are likely to say, “OK we finally admit that we shot JFK!”

Ah Lifeboat News. There was a commenter on the Craig Murray site who dared to query the virus narrative and was met with this response:

“You might also like to comment at the Lifeboat News, which is run by a practising medic who is currently recovering from CoVid-19.”

I tend to think of this as the “Hellfire Manoeuvre” i.e. “If you don’t believe in Hell, you’ll burn there forever!” In this case, “Yes feel free to query covid but do it to this guy who nearly died from covid – honest!” This proof-less emotional blackmail is everywhere now. “How dare you question covid! I have a baby dying of covid in my arms even as we speak!”

295732 ▶▶▶▶ MiriamW-sometimes-AlanG, replying to George Mc, 1, #577 of 1591 🔗

The medic is called Dan and during his convalescence (and ever since) he took to intervening to ridicule or decry any posts questioning the narrative, often hysterically.

He grew increasingly shrill and strident, ruthlessly censoring comments and banning members with the result that the LN is now a ghost site inhabited by a few loyal bedw zombies, still loyal to Chairman Dan. The last time AlanG, who had been a regular, posted on there, Dan invited him to find another site, something he has been happy to do!

A lot of the regulars de-camped to 5-Filters which is on a rather clunky platform but at least speech is free there.

MW

296042 ▶▶▶▶▶ George Mc, replying to MiriamW-sometimes-AlanG, #578 of 1591 🔗

Thanks for the info.

294982 Liz F, replying to Liz F, 24, #579 of 1591 🔗

I’m about to ‘log in’ to the funeral service of my best friend’s mum so that I can watch it remotely like some Netflix film, “due to f*cking Covid”. How the hell did it come to this?

294995 ▶▶ Be Unshakeable, replying to Liz F, 24, #580 of 1591 🔗

“We didn’t love freedom enough. And even more – we had no awareness of the real situation…. We purely and simply deserved everything that happened afterward.”

– Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn

295028 ▶▶ Ben, replying to Liz F, 6, #581 of 1591 🔗

The people let it

295045 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to Liz F, 8, #582 of 1591 🔗

We buried my father in law in April. All covid nonsense went out the window and nobody got ill. Since then, I haven’t taken any notice of. ‘the rules’.

He got the burial he deserved. We carried him from his home. So glad we did, as many of the other funeral directors would not have been so accommodating.

The whole thing is a cruel joke.

295134 ▶▶▶ karenovirus, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 5, #583 of 1591 🔗

Pre Covid my mum wanted part of her ashes scattered over the playing fields where she and four siblings grew up.

I asked the still local cousins who we needed to ask permission of.
They replied ‘don’t ask, they will just say no. Just do it’. So we did.

295279 ▶▶▶▶ RichardJames, replying to karenovirus, 9, #584 of 1591 🔗

Never ask permission from anyone about the scattering of ashes. The whole business is fraught with nonsense about “littering”, “worsening climate change” or “damaging the environment”. Ben Nevis actually has signs attempting to prohibit the practice.

There are also the Karens; I went to scatter my wife’s ashes on the Mersey from the Ferry, as per her wishes. A Karen saw us and was half-way through marching up to us to remonstrate (we would have ignored her, of course) when she realised what the plastic box was, and screeched to a halt just before she got a mouthful.

Just do it. Mercifully, this is still one thing that people respect. When my mother had her funeral (in the lockdown) the vicar said “We’ll do this in the open air and by the time the police bother to get here, it’ll be over.” It was, and we all went back to my sister’s home for sandwiches and coffee afterwards.

295382 ▶▶▶▶▶ Nigel Sherratt, replying to RichardJames, 1, #585 of 1591 🔗

No law against scattering ashes on Mersey as far as I know. I was, briefly, a harbour master (long story) after we rescued Queenborough Harbour from Swale Borough Council. Taking people out to scatter ashes from the harbour launch was one of the items on the tariff we inherited. Check the wind direction to avoid blowback.

296104 ▶▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to karenovirus, #586 of 1591 🔗

Always better to ask forgiveness afterwards, if necessary, than to ask permission.

294992 Cane Corso, 13, #587 of 1591 🔗

I, and my bitch, have tried to hold our local authority to account by witholding an amount of Council Tax. We carefully estimated our denied services and deducted that from the yearly amount.
We gave due notice and our reasons. A very civil correspondence with the Council ensued. But taking the opinion of your “Lawyer in Residence”, Robin Tilbrook, to heart we doubt if we’d win a legal battle. We have a few weeks to decide whether to engage in that battle.

294998 MiriamW-sometimes-AlanG, replying to MiriamW-sometimes-AlanG, 14, #588 of 1591 🔗

This is probably going to stir the pot but am I the only person made uncomfortable by ‘A pharmacist writes’ ATL? The general point about excluding small pharmacies is fair enough but given the hell-for-leather nature of the vaccine roll-out and the huge number of question-marks over it, I would not want to advocate anything that facilitates it. For LS not to be seen as rabid anti-vaxxers is one thing; promoting the vaccine roll-out is quite another! The lock-down and vaccine policies have always worked in conjunction; each is being used to support the other. MW

295017 ▶▶ Mabel Cow, replying to MiriamW-sometimes-AlanG, 7, #589 of 1591 🔗

Ever since the Pfizer injectable received its emergency approval, ATL has felt pretty pro-pharma.

Perhaps we should relabel ATL from Lockdown Sceptics to Vaccine Apologists ?

295035 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to MiriamW-sometimes-AlanG, 7, #590 of 1591 🔗

I agree. The contradiction of citing concerns over vaccine rollout now when for the last 10 months we’ve been saying this virus was nothing more than a severe seasonal flu even with all the miscounting and inflated numbers (all without a vaccine as well which is there for the flu).

It’s shifting the window of discussion as, maybe, the authors believe the debate is over. It’s happening, and it is. It can’t be stopped.

So we should be defending the rights of personal choice and ask doctors to speak up now on that front. The GMC letter is an example of that. They are basically being asked to state why they are concerned, so that they are dragged into open confrontation. Pressure being applied.

Thats where the battle line is now.

295050 ▶▶▶ Charlie Blue, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 7, #591 of 1591 🔗

I agree with you, BeeBop. The vaccine was always going to arrive sooner or later and nothing would have stopped it being rolled out. I am less concerned about the dangers than many fellow LSers, though glad that my parents will be in the second target group rather than the first. The biggest thing for me is fighting back against any whiff of coercion and how that fits into the bigger authoritarian picture.

295116 ▶▶ Jo, replying to MiriamW-sometimes-AlanG, 6, #592 of 1591 🔗

You would have thought the pharmacists had enough to do without worrying about the vaccine. After all, they have been doing 90% of GPs’ jobs for the last 9 months!

295158 ▶▶ Victoria, replying to MiriamW-sometimes-AlanG, #593 of 1591 🔗

Great post. Agree

294999 Lockdown_Lunacy, replying to Lockdown_Lunacy, 8, #594 of 1591 🔗

Being a hardened criminal, I’m planning on going to a Wetherspoons with someone from another household tomorrow. Is my experience likely to be stress free?

295011 ▶▶ Be Unshakeable, replying to Lockdown_Lunacy, 3, #595 of 1591 🔗

No. Karen is ubiquitous.

295021 ▶▶ Ben, replying to Lockdown_Lunacy, 3, #596 of 1591 🔗

Do what politicians and Neil Ferguson do

295027 ▶▶▶ Lockdown_Lunacy, replying to Ben, 5, #597 of 1591 🔗

Do they manage to cram 6-8 pints into their substantial meals whilst walking to and from the smoking area without a mask? That’s what we’re aiming for…

296026 ▶▶▶▶ zubin, replying to Lockdown_Lunacy, #598 of 1591 🔗

Very funny. Thanks for making me laugh x

295043 ▶▶ arfurmo, replying to Lockdown_Lunacy, 3, #599 of 1591 🔗

Yes unless you are not bothered by the sight of muzzled staff, customers coming in, going out and going to the loo muzzled.

295070 ▶▶▶ Lockdown_Lunacy, replying to arfurmo, 5, #600 of 1591 🔗

Well it is annoying, but I’ve become used to just looking straight past them. My Dad and I always have a ‘pre Christmas do’, usually at multiple pubs, but I’m determined not to let the zealots ruin the tradition completely!

295054 ▶▶ steve_w, replying to Lockdown_Lunacy, 5, #601 of 1591 🔗

Ive been frequenting spoons but just for coffee. Seen alot of people having chips and 6 pints each. saw someone asked to reorder some snack so they could stay. i saw 2 old boys sitting at different ends of a long table asked to move ‘if they weren’t in the same household’

I suggest just doing what you want and saying you are in the same household if challenged

295092 ▶▶▶ Lockdown_Lunacy, replying to steve_w, 2, #602 of 1591 🔗

Sounds good, I’ll do what I always do when out and about and try to ignore the COVID bs as much as possible.

295106 ▶▶ Jo, replying to Lockdown_Lunacy, 3, #603 of 1591 🔗

Went to a pub last night with partner and friend. Sadly hardly anyone in there, but had a nice evening with friend. Manager knows me and would have been aware that we weren’t all from same household – I think they were glad of the custom.

295114 ▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Lockdown_Lunacy, 3, #604 of 1591 🔗

Pretending to be lovers should do the trick, gay lovers even better.

295154 ▶▶ Victoria, replying to Lockdown_Lunacy, 1, #605 of 1591 🔗

It should be. Click here to read Wetherspoon News – Do Lockdowns Work?

295000 kf99, replying to kf99, 5, #606 of 1591 🔗

Incoming…
BBC Reality Check article “The mask-wearing US city that bucked the trend” with predictable conclusions.

295020 ▶▶ Chicot, replying to kf99, 11, #607 of 1591 🔗

I saw that and thought the same. I’m sure you could find many examples where places with more mask-wearing had more deaths but the BBC will never report on that because it doesn’t fit their agenda.

295047 ▶▶ Basileus, replying to kf99, 4, #608 of 1591 🔗

Just beat me to it. One data point doesn’t make a scientific case.

295067 ▶▶ mjr, replying to kf99, 5, #609 of 1591 🔗

south dakota has 66 counties. Brooking county is compared with the 4 larger counties only, each of which contains a larger city (some much larger) than Brooking . No comparison with smaller counties. Selective data !!!!

295243 ▶▶▶ Kev, replying to mjr, 2, #610 of 1591 🔗

As if the BBC would do such a thing!

My PC screen nearly suffered when I saw that article, and the one about the Trusted Network Initiative – the BBC, FB, Google and Twitter are the only trusted sources of (mis)information – god help us!

295103 ▶▶ karenovirus, replying to kf99, 4, #611 of 1591 🔗

Sorry, this should have been reply to Norwich Tory, above.

By injecting people with a pretend vaccine which does not prevent infection but which suppresses symptoms they will create the very asymptomatic carriers that we are supposed to be worrying about.

They won’t get themselves ‘tested’ since they’ve had the vaccine and they won’t stay home because they won’t feel ill but they will be carrying the ‘I’ve been vaccinated’ AAA pass.

Couldn’t make it up.

295246 ▶▶ Kev, replying to kf99, #612 of 1591 🔗

Its taken them 4 1/2 months to find a graph that shows support for the mask narrative, way to go!

295016 Norwich Tory, replying to Norwich Tory, 23, #613 of 1591 🔗

Excellent Mike Yeadon twitter thread just before midnight last night:

This is good detective work by the indefatigable Dr Clare Craig FRCPath. The conclusion is that asymptomatic transmission is not a major feature of transmission. This isn’t just some academic spat. The entire reason for mass testing of the population hinges on the assumption that asymptomatic transmission is crucial. Had this dubious assumption not been adopted, we wouldn’t have tested close to 40,000,000 people in U.K. Now add to this toxic mix the realisation that a notable proportion of so-called “cases” are false positives, especially since early autumn, when the error prone industrialised PCR mass testing really picked up pace in the “Lighthouse Labs”, with inexperienced staff inadvertently producing cross contamination related false positives aplenty. We know this is certain & not a debating matter, because we started seeing frankly not believable positivity values like over 20% in Bolton. This is at least an order of magnitude greater than the plausible value. And every person called positive had their work & personal lives disrupted. The extent of carelessness in selection of strategies to “contain the virus”, relying on wrong assumptions about asymptomatic transmission & compounded by very poor testing methods – remember, even Govt admits that PCR mass testing effectively doesn’t have the equivalent of a test MOT, they’ve never determined the operational false positive rate – has almost destroyed this countries economy. The virus by then had in any case diminished to very low levels. They’ve been chasing ghosts for months, burning up money we don’t have, ignoring the clear evidence that they’re wrong, month after month. They’ve misclassified deaths by the thousand, again based on PCR mass testing not fit for purpose. They’re making you wear masks that have no effect on transmission. The data was clear before they did that & they’ve studiously ignored every piece of evidence to the contrary over the same period. MPs have en masse turned their backs on simple descriptions of the scientific crimes & misdemeanours of SAGE & locked you down again. None of this serves any public health purpose. Then they’ve rushed through emergency authorisation a part-developed vaccine with more to come. They’ve misrepresented the efficacy statements about vaccines & run away from properly defining the safety profiles of new technology medical interventions. Then with catastrophic stupidity bordering on the criminal, they’re moving to mass immunisation including people not at risk from the virus (even if they weren’t immune) and we’ve run into early serious adverse events. Carry on like this with incompetence at this Olympic level & some outcomes are likely. Do I need to spell it out any more clearly? At very best, SAGE is replete with people who are unqualified to manage public health advice, or are lazy and not even reading as much literature as I and colleagues are, or worse. They need to go. En bloc. We need a radical excision of SAGE, now. Before they compound a truly miserable year full of self inflicted injury by turning the end game into a disaster. Why in the world would you trust the judgment of people who you see in your TVs making gaffe after gaffe? I didn’t even get to the sneakily reworked ONS data, without which you’d not even be in lockdown & tiering (neither of which work) but running to Christmas with our country recovering steadily. We scientists & medics cannot effect these changes. Only you can do so, by relentlessly pressuring your MPs. SAGE needs to go. PCR mass testing needs to stop. Now.

295121 ▶▶ Ben, replying to Norwich Tory, 4, #614 of 1591 🔗

Transmission of viruses is part of human existence and always has been. Attempting to control transmission is attempting to control nature – but in this case it is being being used by governments to control us

295167 ▶▶ Spikedee1, replying to Norwich Tory, 4, #615 of 1591 🔗

And the Yeardon boy sticks another one in the net. Come on SAGE, you love an appearance on TV go on and debate our boy!!!

295024 The Rule of Pricks, replying to The Rule of Pricks, 8, #616 of 1591 🔗

Anyone have any thoughts on this (or even better some great push back!)

Im going ice skating with my kids at Ally Pally at the weekend. So obviously outside…..

Ive received this from them:

“Staff at the venue are required to challenge visitors if rules are being broken.

You will be expected to wear a mask whilst you are in the venue, including on the rink, unless you are specifically exempt (See exemptions here). If you are not wearing a mask, please do expect to be asked by staff.

[My italics]

Any ideas on my comeback – other than telling them to phuq off and causing a fight of course………

295031 ▶▶ mjr, replying to The Rule of Pricks, 5, #617 of 1591 🔗

take a big bag of salt with you .. just in case

295105 ▶▶▶ The Rule of Pricks, replying to mjr, 2, #618 of 1591 🔗

Im tempted to report them for their written notification that they intend to break the law.

But the Mickey Mouse Met are too busy investigating non-crimes to follow it through.

Anywhere else I can shop them to – just to cause trouble more than anything?

295062 ▶▶ chaos, replying to The Rule of Pricks, 6, #619 of 1591 🔗

You say ‘exempt’. They can’t challenge further.

295090 ▶▶ karenovirus, replying to The Rule of Pricks, 2, #620 of 1591 🔗

I saw Ally Pally burning down from a vantage point off Shepherds Hill, should have stayed that way.
George Melly and the Feetwarmers had a residency on Sunday nights, I can guess what he’d make of the nonsense.

As to your question, one word ‘exempt’.
That’s it, no further discussion required.

295125 ▶▶▶ bluemoon, replying to karenovirus, 1, #621 of 1591 🔗

Ah George Melly… I saw him at a club in New York back in the 70s. So good we went back the following evening. Great days!

295160 ▶▶ Be Unshakeable, replying to The Rule of Pricks, 3, #622 of 1591 🔗

Record the interaction and then notify them that you will be seeking the advice of your solicitor as regards their breech of section 29 of the 2010 Equalities Act and notifying the press. Also ask for a copy of the rules in black and white. And continue to refuse the mask.

295180 ▶▶ Mabel Cow, replying to The Rule of Pricks, 1, #623 of 1591 🔗

You could hand them a printout of my discriminatory challenges document.

295283 ▶▶ Julian, replying to The Rule of Pricks, 1, #624 of 1591 🔗

AP is an indoor rink

Last person I know who went there a few weeks ago told me no masks on the ice – just before and after – that is standard for indoor rinks, and I know Streatham follows this rule, and all the Planet Ice rinks

295025 mjr, replying to mjr, 9, #625 of 1591 🔗

Comment on wokeness (ignore if off topic for you).
re the PSG/ istanbul basaksehir racism incident. MSM full of reports of the 4th official using a racist term at a black coach. Everyone so shocked.
Today the story comes out .. see telegraph or John Barnes twitter
following an argument amongst players and coaches from both sides, one of the coaches makes a dissenting comment to 4th official worthy of discipline. He reports it to the referee. There are 5 instabul coaches all dressed identically all milling together. The ref asks which official. The 4th official replies in romanian “negru” – the black one. negru is romanian for black. the other 4 coaches are white. Under the circumstances how does he quickly identify in the mellee? . “the third tallest? the one with the dark hair? “. you use the clearest description. Had there been 4 black guys and a white guy needed to be identified he would have said “alb” .
so obviously the interpretation is that he used a similar but different word. and the woke world goes mad. MSM report a racist word.

Isnt it funny that the people who talk most sense about racism and racist language are the likes of John Barnes, or Trevor Phillips.

295034 ▶▶ Mark, replying to mjr, 4, #626 of 1591 🔗

Anyone complaining about “racist” or any other pc “-ist” language is almost certainly just trying to exercise power over the target, generate sympathy via fake victimhood, or justify their own aggression.

This is the world we have allowed to be created over the past few decades.

295065 ▶▶▶ calchas, replying to Mark, 10, #627 of 1591 🔗

Yes.

This stuff started fine, as the desire to treat people fairly as individuals, to help people get equal chances, regardless of which social group or groups they belonged to. It has now turned into a kind of societal obsessive-compulsive disorder at the service of authoritarianism.

This is very similar to covidianism, which starts with the desire to protect vulnerable people, before becoming a kind of societal monomania, mowing down everything in its path – at the service of authoritarianism.

In many ways it recalls the story of the ‘Sorcerer’s Apprentice’

: a mechanism which was intended to help, but which threatens us when it cannot be turned off.

I think this can be applied to technological development as a whole. Something which is there to enhance our lives, but which more and more obeys its own logic – and those of its profits- and control.seeking masters, and in the process begins to suffocate humanity.

295113 ▶▶▶▶ Mark, replying to calchas, 2, #628 of 1591 🔗

This stuff started fine, as the desire to treat people fairly as individuals, to help people get equal chances, regardless of which social group or groups they belonged to . ”

Exactly so – that’s where its power comes from, and that’s why it’s been so hard to resist. And your analogy with the coronapanic is well drawn as well.

I’d follow that to the next step and point out its relevance to those here observing that “respectable” lockdown resisters such as Toby are noticeably uncomfortable around “anti-vaxxers” and are carefully distancing themselves from them at every opportunity. “Anti-vaxxers” are in the same position as “racists”, having been successfully demonised and delegitimised.

Now it’s just a question of how far that smear can be stretched to cover anyone with the slightest concerns about any particular vaccine.

If nothing else, it has been a useful lesson in basic politics for some.

296041 ▶▶▶▶ zubin, replying to calchas, #629 of 1591 🔗

Excellent insight

295112 ▶▶▶ Ben, replying to Mark, 3, #630 of 1591 🔗

Racism and all kinds of hate exists

But the State is using identity politics for divide and rule

295148 ▶▶▶▶ Mark, replying to Ben, 2, #631 of 1591 🔗

Of course they “exist”. But there’s probably more actual hatred of -ists and -phobes around, in practice, than there is of the original kinds these days.

You are likely to lose your job for being -ist but you aren’t for being black or homosexual.

And a large proportion of the supposed cases of racism and other pc -isms are just pretexts for aggression or false claims of victimhood, just like multimillionaire elite footballers trying to foment outrage over a descriptive use of the perfectly acceptable descriptive term “black” by an official.

But the State is using identity politics for divide and rule

Lobbies have always used identity politics to gain power, or to keep it. That’s its essence, what it has always been for, leeching off the naivity of those who think it’s just about “justice” or niceness..

295248 ▶▶▶▶▶ Ben, replying to Mark, 2, #632 of 1591 🔗

There may be gay people, trans people, black people who are just trying to get on with their lives like everyone else but who find themselves – against their will – embroiled in a political point scoring war. I just worry that the resentment politicians are creating is going to be directed at innocents

295397 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Mark, replying to Ben, 1, #633 of 1591 🔗

You feel concern for the minuscule minority of people who occasionally suffer abuse, I worry more about the majority of people, at risk of losing jobs, being assaulted or bullied merely for expressing opinions or getting in a dispute with the wrong person. These latter injustices have been commonplace now for decades. That’s what creates resentment – justified resentment.

295846 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Ben, replying to Mark, #634 of 1591 🔗

I have a gay brother who was forced to leave a well paid job because he was bullied for being gay. It was a while ago now and he’s got a new job.

People, are people, are people. We are all the same, except perhaps some people are selfish

296032 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Mark, replying to Ben, #635 of 1591 🔗

It’s a simple fact that people strongly inclined to homosexual behaviour are vanishingly rare, as a percentage of the population. Most likely an awful lot more people have lost jobs or been punished or harassed for being -ist than for being homosexual.

295036 Viv, replying to Viv, 19, #636 of 1591 🔗

Two points about the allergic reactions those two nurses suffered:
1) explicit in the documentation by Pfizer and Bion tech is that the vaccine was not tested on persons with allergies (or indeed on those with other illnesses, or indeed the over-80s).
Side effects like allergic reactions come to light only in big trials.
2) People need to receive two jabs – we’re already told that ‘forgetting’ that 2nd jab means the vaccine doesn’t work and would be a heinous waste of scarce vaccine resources. Given how allergies develop (one needs to be exposed to a substance first, before the allergy hammer comes down) it is eminently possible that people with less severe allergies than those two nurses who copped it on the first go may well succumb on the 2nd jab.
Well – that’s me out of the ‘vaccination pool’. I’m not going to expose myself to the danger of dying with anaphylactic shock in order to ‘save the NHS’ by trusting the doctors and accept the covid jab.

295044 ▶▶ Basileus, replying to Viv, 3, #637 of 1591 🔗

Good point.

295075 ▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Viv, 4, #638 of 1591 🔗

It was reported that side effects which did not show in Pfizers own tests would not be regarded as vaccine side affects but merely coincidental.

295175 ▶▶▶ HelzBelz, replying to karenovirus, 2, #639 of 1591 🔗

Unlike someone dying of heart failure who happened to have a positive Covid test within 28 days of death. All other causes merely coincidental.

295179 ▶▶▶▶ steve_w, replying to HelzBelz, 2, #640 of 1591 🔗

and they brought it down from indeterminate to 28 days through gritted teeth

295109 ▶▶ Ben, replying to Viv, 4, #641 of 1591 🔗

Looking at this document by Michael Yeadon and Wolfgang Wodarg, an allergic reaction is a possibility because of what’s in the vaccine

https://2020news.de/en/dr-wodarg-and-dr-yeadon-request-a-stop-of-all-corona-vaccination-studies-and-call-for-co-signing-the-petition/

295046 James, replying to James, 14, #642 of 1591 🔗

I just found this on Brandnewtube:
I have read lots of stuff like this before but I did not know anyone had used the new vaccine on ferrets yet. Please read carefully.

Mike K 8 hours ago
⁣Just a friendly reminder: cytokine storm was what killed every last lab animal after re-exposition to the wild type virus when they tried to cobble together a vaccine against the old SARS-CoV back in the early 2000s. After the inoculation with the vaccine candidate those animals showed no adverse reactions, and good antibody titers, which is what you are trying to elicit with a vaccine. But after challenging those animals with the wild SARS-CoV they all died and they had to scrap their research. The most probable cause is known as “Antibody Dependent Enhancement” (ADE), an overreaction of the immune system, leading to cytokine storm, multiple organ failure, and death.

“Into the Eye of the Cytokine Storm” https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/22390970/

The problem was first seen with dengue fever which has 4 different serotypes. Patients who have gone through infection with one of the 4 strains suffer much more severe forms of the illness, when they get re-infected with one of the other strains. The same type of ADE has probably occurred in many COVID-19 patients who had been vaccinated against the seasonal flu and/or meningitis in Italy’s most affected regions, Lombardy and Piedmont. A couple of weeks ago, there were reports of 86 deaths that occurred in patients in South Korea within days after they received their flu-shots (made by AstraZeneca), and I’ve seen several cases with lethal outcome here in Germany as well.

In Germany, researchers have just used one of the new COVID-19 vaccines on ferrets, which are the standard animal model for human respiratory infectious diseases. All of the inoculated ferrets died after getting challenged with the wild SARS-CoV-2 virus, while all ferrets in the control group survived after going through a non-severe respiratory infection for 10 – 14 days. These alarming results won’t get published, the whistleblower received a gag-order. TL;DR: I wouldn’t be the first in line to get the new vaccine.

Here’s a safe, highly effective, and evidence based drug treatment for the small group of patients who will suffer a severe form of COVID-19 — Ivermectin: https://youtu.be/FwJq4u_120U

295082 ▶▶ Victoria, replying to James, 5, #643 of 1591 🔗

Great post. Yes the exposure to the wild virus after getting the Covid vaccination is not known, but going on past ‘vaccines’ it is definitely a massive risk.

The other risk is where people had the normal flu vaccine and then exposure to Covid – some research indicate that there could also be a risk. The NHS is going all out to give everybody the flu vaccine this year.

Reminder for all to improve their immune systems – that is what protect you against viruses, bacteria and other pathogens

295124 ▶▶ Bumble, replying to James, 2, #644 of 1591 🔗

Another example was RSV vaccine some years ago. Used to be that RSV put 5% of children in hospital. After vaccination it put 95% in hospital. There was a lot of chatter about enhancement back in April but am not aware of any discussion recently.

295072 HelzBelz, replying to HelzBelz, 22, #645 of 1591 🔗

I have for the past 8 months when raising sceptic views about lockdowns, masks and now vaccines been shouted down, told I’m a crazy conspiracy theorist and generally told ‘shut up, you are wrong, you only read fake news on the internet’ etc etc, by the majority of my friends.

I have done a lot of my own research on the vaccines (obviously only looking at fake news on the internet) and find the statements made by e.g. Mike Yeadon and all of the medical professionals speaking on the Oracle film on the Off Guardian website far more credible than say, Wankcock and Witless.

We are entreated to share the concerns about vaccines widely, and although I feel I should, I also think what is the point? Those that have no concerns (moronic in my opinion) about a vaccine for which testing has been minimal and too fast, a vaccine that we don’t really know whether it just suppresses symptoms or whether it actually stops you being infectious, let alone all of the ‘far out’ stuff about DNA alteration and tracking mechanisms, surely will not be swayed by ‘fake news off the internet’ because they want to believe the official narrative.

And should we actually care if these sort of people are harmed by the vaccine? People who don’t do their own research, people who cannot be bothered to look at the data or do any research on their own. People who swallow wholesale the government propaganda. Even though to anyone with half a brain cell, this whole thing stinks something rotten.

Perhaps the world would be a better place without them!

295111 ▶▶ Janice21, replying to HelzBelz, 4, #646 of 1591 🔗

Yes let people happily trip over themselves to have it if they so wish. At a Zoom team meeting yesterday it was all vaccine talk and a few said they would happily go and pay private to get it if they could.

295126 ▶▶▶ steve_w, replying to Janice21, 5, #647 of 1591 🔗

I agree – let them get it done. I don’t want the vaccine to fail badly. I want it to fail moderately. We have crossed a rubicon if we rush out a vaccine in 8 months every time there’s a new sniffle about and pressure everyone into taking it

295162 ▶▶▶ HelzBelz, replying to Janice21, 3, #648 of 1591 🔗

Phew – not just me that thinks like this then. Thank you 🙂

295186 ▶▶▶▶ Janice21, replying to HelzBelz, 5, #649 of 1591 🔗

Sometimes there is no point trying to put your point across and you just have to let it go and let them be suckers.
A friend jokingly called me a ‘rebel’ for not wearing a mask. I’d rather be a rebel than a dehumanised dimwit.

295188 ▶▶▶▶ RichardJames, replying to HelzBelz, 7, #650 of 1591 🔗

“…because they want to believe the official narrative.”

Yes, that’s exactly what I have found.

“…And should we actually care if these sort of people are harmed by the vaccine? People who don’t do their own research, people who cannot be bothered to look at the data or do any research on their own. People who swallow wholesale the government propaganda.”

Again, yes; why would we care? They are intelligent adults (ahem) who can take responsibility for their own decisions, for better or for worse.

“…Perhaps the world would be a better place without them!”

Darwin is our friend, here. I have had people say to me “Well, you’ll just die from it, then, won’t you?” To which I reply, I am very happy to take the consequences of my decisions and live as a free person in the meantime. Strangely, they don’t seem to have a reply to that.

296199 ▶▶▶ Borisbullshit, replying to Janice21, #651 of 1591 🔗

Yes let them get on with it…if they keel over…tough.

295122 ▶▶ RickH, replying to HelzBelz, 8, #652 of 1591 🔗

I think many of us have experienced this problem.

The irony is that I apply the same standards of critical reading to anything – whereas some of my acquaintance seem to think that the MSM is differentiated by being a beacon of truth. I am aware that both Off-Guardian and UKColumn, for instance, have their own obsessions that need to be treated critically, but they will also provide valid excluded analysis.

In the end, tho’ – I want data, and that’s what I try to focus on, whilst avoiding sterile debates about causations and conspiracy.

295161 ▶▶▶ HelzBelz, replying to RickH, 1, #653 of 1591 🔗

Agree and I like to think / hope that I do the same. Some things in UK Column are a bit far out for me. It’s the data that first raised my suspicions about this whole Covid affair – a lot of what I read backs up my opinions, some goes far and beyond, whilst anything on the BBC and much of the rest of the MSM just raises my blood pressure.

295074 Sarigan, replying to Sarigan, 27, #654 of 1591 🔗

Tui Group has said it will “absolutely not” turn away people who have not been vaccinated against Covid-19.

“This would be a mistake,” said Tui Group chief executive Fritz Joussen.

295104 ▶▶ Barney McGrew, replying to Sarigan, 7, #655 of 1591 🔗

But they’ll have to wear a flashing beacon and sit in a special cage in the hold..?

295110 ▶▶▶ Sarigan, replying to Barney McGrew, 2, #656 of 1591 🔗

Probably

295140 ▶▶ Old Normal, replying to Sarigan, 6, #657 of 1591 🔗

I guess they’ll insist on masks though?

If I owned a travel agency or airline I’d be capitalising on the no mask, no vaccine market right now.

295144 ▶▶ Victoria, replying to Sarigan, 4, #658 of 1591 🔗

good on them – the more customers the bigger the profit

295222 ▶▶ JHuntz, replying to Sarigan, 2, #659 of 1591 🔗

This is great news I will cruise for the rest if my days if this remains the case.

295284 ▶▶ JohnB, replying to Sarigan, 1, #660 of 1591 🔗

He is likely to receive a visit from ‘the boys’.

295507 ▶▶ Silke David, replying to Sarigan, #661 of 1591 🔗

Tui group is basically owned by the German people by now, they have received so much monetary help.
So they are morally obliged to cater to everyone, even Querdenkers like a holiday in the sun!

295107 ▶▶ HelzBelz, replying to Andrew K, 2, #663 of 1591 🔗

Desperate to prove that ‘we can defeat this virus’ Probably reduced the cycle count of the PCR test and retested the positives until they got a negative.

295146 ▶▶▶ RickH, replying to HelzBelz, #664 of 1591 🔗

What the f.? A natural-looking curve proves that measures work???? What sort of academic comes up with that sort of innumerate shite?

The curve looks much the same as a much smaller echo of the April spike – natural decay.

295169 ▶▶▶▶ HelzBelz, replying to RickH, #665 of 1591 🔗

Innumerate and as you say, no real evidence that the ‘measure’ work. And did the students really stick to them? Back in my student days I know I probably would not have done!

295338 ▶▶▶▶▶ Nigel Sherratt, replying to HelzBelz, #666 of 1591 🔗

60% of medical research and 75% of Pharma research is said not to be reproducible. Not a surprise when you see that sort of stuff from a Cambridge Prof.

295115 ▶▶ Barney McGrew, replying to Andrew K, 5, #667 of 1591 🔗

In what sense? I just see a man mixing up correlation with causation.

295151 ▶▶▶ Andrew K, replying to Barney McGrew, 2, #668 of 1591 🔗

Have you seen the comments on that tweet, a resurgent call for more lockdown and more testing saying it works. I know you can work the data however you want. I least I know when I’m being led into the gas chamber (Metaphorically speaking). It will be a huge shock to the rest.

295208 ▶▶▶▶ Barney McGrew, replying to Andrew K, 1, #669 of 1591 🔗

Ah yes, the tiger horn.

295241 ▶▶▶▶▶ Andrew K, replying to Barney McGrew, #670 of 1591 🔗

Ah I had to google the Tiger Horn
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K_pFoaUiZoE

295215 ▶▶ Tommo, replying to Andrew K, 3, #671 of 1591 🔗

I happen to live in Cambridge. I can assure you students aren’t following the social distancing rules! According to gov website there has been 4 ‘covid’ deaths in Cambridge in past 6 months. Never had a first wave, let alone second wave.

295282 ▶▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to Tommo, 2, #672 of 1591 🔗

Well that’s because of the tests. Apparently testing drives down Covid whether or not you adhere to distancing and masks.

Insanity. Makes my head hurt thinking someone could not take the results as a serious wound in the Covid narrative.

295281 ▶▶ JohnB, replying to Andrew K, #673 of 1591 🔗

Liked the ‘goat sacrifice’ comment.

295288 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to Andrew K, 1, #674 of 1591 🔗

Alan will be first to the Gulag, to stay safe of course

295309 ▶▶▶ Saved To Death, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 2, #675 of 1591 🔗

Kindness !! The man is calling for the imprisonment and destitution of the entire population – that about as far from kindness as you can get.

295871 ▶▶▶ Cranmer, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 1, #676 of 1591 🔗

I think I know his brother, Wayne Kerr.

295089 Just about sane, replying to Just about sane, 66, #677 of 1591 🔗

I went to an elderly neighbours funeral today and came away feeling hopeful. Something I never thought I would say about a funeral.

The family were told the rules.

You can get cars but a car that has 8 seats must only have 4 socially distanced and masked and must be from the same household.
So they drove themselves.

You can have a church service of no more than 20 people all socially distanced and all must wear masks and no singing.
So they skipped the church part.

You can have 20 people at the grave.

I was one of the 50 or so ‘uninvited’ as well as the family. There was no more than 8 people wearing masks and not one was from the immediate family. We were all invited by the minister to step closer as she conducted a beautiful service for a lovely lady.

You can have a tea after in a local hotel, the only one open for this ( we’re still in lockdown) and yet again no more than 20 people all socially distanced and fully masked.
So they skipped the hotel and went back to their house. I took some homebaking for the tea with their family at home, with no distancing or mask wearing involved.

It was a simple funeral but I have found I still have friends and as one them commented ” I don’t see it as breaking the law because it’s stupid and deserves to be ignored “I found out he was not alone in those views.
If the wee witch in Scotland thinks people are paying any attention to all these stupid laws or even remembers them, she’s wrong.

There’s hope for Scotland yet.

295096 ▶▶ Ben, replying to Just about sane, 33, #678 of 1591 🔗

Lockdowns are a sadistic, inhumane, immoral, fascistic war on our lives. But people still broke the rules and chose love and life – which is beautiful.

295193 ▶▶▶ Bella, replying to Ben, 15, #679 of 1591 🔗

Bad rules and laws are made to be broken.

295132 ▶▶ RichardJames, replying to Just about sane, 9, #680 of 1591 🔗

“Yon wee witch”! There’s something about the Scottish vernacular that is particularly amusing/insulting.

295153 ▶▶ Be Unshakeable, replying to Just about sane, 10, #681 of 1591 🔗

whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government.”

– Jefferson, Declaration of Independence.

295156 ▶▶ KBuchanan, replying to Just about sane, 10, #682 of 1591 🔗

It’s following the law of being a human being. We did the same months back when my brother in law ( not Covid) passed away – no way do you not support family and friends if their loved one dies.

295185 ▶▶ annie, replying to Just about sane, 11, #683 of 1591 🔗

Congrstulations to all who attended. You are human. In this Age of the Zombie there is no higher accolade.

295789 ▶▶ Lili, replying to Just about sane, 3, #684 of 1591 🔗

What a heartening story. You gave the deceased a truly brilliant send off.

295097 Alan P, replying to Alan P, 32, #685 of 1591 🔗

How come the vaccine can be rolled out to the most vulnerable in society first i.e. 80y.o, care workers, NHS, etc. But when the idea mooted in the Great Barrington declaration of protecting the vulnerable whilst allowing herd immunity to take place among the healthy: that was dismissed as unworkable and even called age apartheid by one health official.

Anyone else see yet another strand of hypocrisy or even something more conspiratorial?

295099 ▶▶ Ben, replying to Alan P, 9, #686 of 1591 🔗

Is it a planned cull?

295128 ▶▶▶ RichardJames, replying to Ben, 5, #687 of 1591 🔗

Bearing in mind that the very elderly will have low-quality immune systems, any slight error in the manufacture of the vaccine which causes the elderly to be either (i) not fully immune or worse (ii) caused to actually get the disease (as many of my pro-flu-vaccine friends say they have experienced), will cause a death-toll amongst the elderly cohort of recipients.

Or perhaps I am mistaken; might this be by design?

295133 ▶▶▶▶ steve_w, replying to RichardJames, 3, #688 of 1591 🔗

I doubt if efficacy will be 95% for the eldest. I doubt if its 95% in the cherry-picked data the trials used.

If the vulnerable decide to get vaccinated so they can go back to normal there will be a price paid. Not that I think old people dying is something to stay awake over. But they will have been misled

295141 ▶▶▶▶▶ Victoria, replying to steve_w, 4, #689 of 1591 🔗

They use the serious faulty PCR test to claim the 95% effectiveness.

295177 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ steve_w, replying to Victoria, #690 of 1591 🔗

probably double check the vaccine group and must have symptoms

295339 ▶▶▶▶▶ Stringfellow Hawke, replying to steve_w, #691 of 1591 🔗

Context is indeed everything – “In the case of the Pfizer-BioNTech vaccine, for example, the estimated efficacy is based on 170 observed cases of COVID-19 among trial participants, 162 of whom received the placebo. Thus, only 8 trial volunteers who received the vaccine developed COVID-19, which translates into an observed efficacy rate of about 95 percent.”
https://www.aei.org/articles/what-statistics-tells-us-about-the-efficacy-of-the-pfizer-moderna-oxford-vaccines/

295181 ▶▶▶▶ annie, replying to RichardJames, #692 of 1591 🔗

Best way to detect problems with the snake oil is to give it to the most vulnerable.

295100 Janice21, replying to Janice21, 28, #693 of 1591 🔗

I feel like I complain a lot on here about my Corona obsessed Mother in Law. Well I am about to do it again. She is so brainwashed and petrified by increasing deaths and cases she is reluctant to have ANYONE visit her anytime soon. Doesn’t have any bubbles. How can such fear take over your natural instinct to want to see your kids and grandchildren, especially at Christmas She has only seen us and our children for a few hours once since the start of September. Then has the cheek to complain how she misses them. She is even more terrified of her other older 2 grandchildren who are in high school (ours attend a small creche 3 days a week). My father in law drives a lorry up and down the country and still shakes hands with customers etc so he doesn’t really care.
Even my own 82 year old Grandmother doesn’t mind having us visit her in her house although its not as often and she is wary of us hugging……yet she hugs her great grandchildren/my kids lol.
It’s unfair on the kids the most. My own Mum passed away when they were born and I would have liked them to have some early Christmas memories with their remaining Grandparents.
Thank goodness MIL is pretty much the only family member treating everyone like a leaper, I don’t think I could cope if all the rest of our nearest and dearest did the same.
I am so angry at the governments lies, medias lies and peoples utter stupidity in allowing themselves to be manipulated.
Oh well rant over.

295138 ▶▶ Victoria, replying to Janice21, 11, #694 of 1591 🔗

The more you engage and give airtime you give these people that are real covid cult members, the worse it will become. They become more paranoid and will then regard you as the enemy

Suggestion: stop engaging with these people. Accept that they are in a dark space and might never return to normal. Very sad for the children (and rest of the family) but there is nothing you can do to change this.

295163 ▶▶▶ Janice21, replying to Victoria, 5, #695 of 1591 🔗

Thank you. Yes I do now try to avoid her hysteria over it all and not engage with any messages or conversations about it. Perhaps once she finally has the vaccine it will calm her down.

296202 ▶▶▶▶ Borisbullshit, replying to Janice21, #696 of 1591 🔗

Maybe literally lol.

295149 ▶▶ KBuchanan, replying to Janice21, 4, #697 of 1591 🔗

She must watch too much BBC or C4.

295165 ▶▶▶ Janice21, replying to KBuchanan, 4, #698 of 1591 🔗

Oh BBC news several times a day, especially never misses the 1pm, 6pm and 10pm news.

295178 ▶▶ annie, replying to Janice21, 6, #699 of 1591 🔗

Your children would not profit from contact with this pea-brained numpty. Lop her iff the family tree.

295257 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to Janice21, 2, #700 of 1591 🔗

Do you think she secretly loves the drama?

295266 ▶▶ thinkaboutit, replying to Janice21, 2, #701 of 1591 🔗

She’s being very selfish in depriving her grandchildren of her presence. Those memories will stay with them forever and whatever she eventually dies of she won’t be around forever.

295120 steve_w, 24, #702 of 1591 🔗

I’m heavily covid sceptic. My wife is moderately sceptic. Her brother and wife are sceptics. Her sister and husband are lockdown fanatics. We have a group wattsapp. I love it that I can just sit back and watch other people tear the lockdowners a new one. Its nice that it isn’t always me.

295136 ▶▶ steve_w, replying to p02099003, 3, #704 of 1591 🔗

“Media and tech firms join forces to tackle free speech”

295147 ▶▶ Bill h, replying to p02099003, 2, #705 of 1591 🔗

Pic of the old lady after the first vaccination.

Too bad the cameraman on the left has his mask below his nose and his goggles on the top of his head !

Lol

Another own goal from the BBC.

295137 Smelly Melly, replying to Smelly Melly, 6, #706 of 1591 🔗

As it’s nearing the end of the year, I got my crystal ball out and I predict a MSM headline that will be shouted at the sheeple. A MASSIVE 600000 DEATHS IN THE U.K. IN 2020. But fail to tell them this is normal.

295159 ▶▶ Nobody2020, replying to Smelly Melly, 11, #707 of 1591 🔗

Apparently death is no longer normal. For centuries humans have been blindly allowing people to die when everyone could have been staying at home and not engaging in anything with a risk level higher than zero.

Of course homes would need to be made extra safe as this happens to be where most accidents happen too. Oh what quandry.

295302 ▶▶▶ A. Contrarian, replying to Nobody2020, 1, #708 of 1591 🔗

It’s normal now the vaccine is here though. If you die after being vaccinated it’s guaranteed not to be related, people die in their squillions every day you know, from all sorts of things. It’s fine as long as they don’t die from/of/with Covid.

295550 ▶▶ DavidC, replying to Smelly Melly, #709 of 1591 🔗

It might be normal in absolute terms but as a percentage of the population the figure is falling! The UK population (according to official figures, which probably underestimate) has risen by 14% since 2000.

The death rate has been falling since 1950 (the earliest I’ve been able to get data for) and has ticked up a bit since 2013 but is still nowehere near the 1950s figure.

DavidC

295157 James Leary #KBF, replying to James Leary #KBF, 22, #710 of 1591 🔗

It would appear I’m one of those advised not to have the vaccine yet. Well – that’s a weight off my mind! I was hovering between ‘no way’ and (shouting) ‘NFW’. Having had, many years ago, a couple of doses of anaphylactic shock (raw apple, uncooked stone fruits) there is no way on god’s earth I would wish that on anybody, except possibly Ferguson – it stops you talking which would be good in his case, but also stops you breathing sometimes. It’s how I imagine drowning to be. They told me it was my immune system vastly overreacting to a mistaken intruder. A bit like Oscar Pistorius. Just what you would want from a vaccine I don’t think. FFS. Me? I’m rather hoping I’ll eventually be getting a ‘Vaccine Exempt’ lanyard to add to my ‘Mask Exempt’ one. Not that I wear it. I prefer the combat.

295182 ▶▶ Chris John, replying to James Leary #KBF, 3, #711 of 1591 🔗

Overreacting like Blade Runner to an intruder! 😂 😂 😂

295166 mattghg, 1, #712 of 1591 🔗

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295172 JohnB, replying to JohnB, 5, #713 of 1591 🔗

Ooh, ooh, a reply from the bridge club secretary. Who you would think had a very relevant CV ! …

As to the virus, it was clear by the end of January that it was likely to be the worst epidemic since the “Spanish” – actually American flu, and could even rival the Black Death if not managed properly. As someone who spent almost seven years in the 1980s on the Clinical Operational Research Unit at UCL (now led by Prof Christina Pagel, of Independent Sage), 13 years running information services for acute hospitals, and for the 10 years before retirement was a Public Health Specialist and statistician I have a different view from yours.

I would like to reply including

  • worst since Spanish ? Really ?
  • managed properly – HCQ, Ivermectin, vitamin D, ciggies
  • total uk deaths from (solely) covid
  • PCR test failings
  • some good quality statistical stuff.

Any advice/figures gratefully received ! 🙂

295174 ▶▶ steve_w, replying to JohnB, 8, #714 of 1591 🔗

more children have died of diarrhea this year than covid

she’s clearly mental – ‘rival black death’, probably not worth engaging

295200 ▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to steve_w, #715 of 1591 🔗

Totally agree these views are bonkers/mental. But I’d still like to respond (once !) with some perspective / factual stuff.

295211 ▶▶▶▶ steve_w, replying to JohnB, 1, #716 of 1591 🔗

I would just link to a video by Ivor Cummins – he has a soft Irish accent that makes you think he’s not lying

295229 ▶▶▶ The Filthy Engineer, replying to steve_w, 4, #717 of 1591 🔗

Black death? You mean they are trying to compare something that wiped out nearly 30% to 60% of the world population with something that appears to have a fatality rate of less than 1%?

295239 ▶▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to The Filthy Engineer, 1, #718 of 1591 🔗

Yep. Even given his CV, I was quite surprised.

295187 ▶▶ Bella, replying to JohnB, 3, #719 of 1591 🔗

He/she’s got to be bonkers if they are still maintaining after nearly a whole year that this is the worst epidemic since Spanish. He/she must have lived through Hong Kong flu of 68-69. I’d find yourself another Bridge Club. Or bid 7NT with them as your partner when you have a voided suit. (In the spirit of taking your enemies down with you.)

295262 ▶▶▶ RickH, replying to Bella, #720 of 1591 🔗

It’s worth looking at the long-term line-graph of Swedish mortality (it has been posted here). The detail is very close to that for the UK, and shows vividly that 2020 is nothing particularly unusual in terms of overall mortality.

295195 ▶▶ assoc, replying to JohnB, 5, #721 of 1591 🔗

I wouldn’t waste time arguing with a cretin, but the Black Death killed between one-third and one-half the population. By govt’s figures covid has killed less than one in a THOUSAND (60000 out of 67 million!)

295238 ▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to assoc, #722 of 1591 🔗

Do you know the current ‘from covid’ number, assoc ?

295332 ▶▶▶▶ Stringfellow Hawke, replying to JohnB, #723 of 1591 🔗

A few weeks ago deaths ‘from covid’ exclusively, were in the region of 1500. Don’t have the exact figure to hand right now. that’s since the start of the year. Not insignificant, of course. But to put it in perspective, on any single average day in the UK 1500-1700 people will sadly die.

295473 ▶▶▶▶▶ annie, replying to Stringfellow Hawke, #724 of 1591 🔗

No, only Covvies sadlidie. Everybody else just
t dies.

295221 ▶▶ calchas, replying to JohnB, 1, #725 of 1591 🔗

For context – Swedish mortality 1850 to 2020. Sort of puts to bed all the nonsense about Black Death, Spanish Flu etc,

Show him this:

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295231 ▶▶▶ steve_w, replying to calchas, #726 of 1591 🔗

with no lockdown

295255 ▶▶▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to steve_w, 1, #727 of 1591 🔗

And no vaccine and care home killing fields

295242 ▶▶ Tom Blackburn, replying to JohnB, 8, #728 of 1591 🔗

Don’t even start jousting with him. Call him a fucking arsehole and tell him to go fuck himself. Then be done with it.

295251 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to JohnB, 1, #729 of 1591 🔗

Tell him there have been new updates to the operating system since January and he should download the latest patch.

His system is extremely vulnerable to a virus

Also how does his clinical experience at UCL work to qualify the existence of a spanish flu like pandemic? Data analysts abound now and they are all saying it can’t be seen (all cause mortality). Did he do any data analysis training?

295287 ▶▶ LS99, replying to JohnB, 2, #730 of 1591 🔗

Nothing you say is going to convince this person that they’re wrong. They have too much at stake and they’ve laid out their impressive credentials to boot.

Frustrating, I know.

295298 ▶▶ A. Contrarian, replying to JohnB, 1, #731 of 1591 🔗

Black Death???!!!

295314 ▶▶ Nigel Sherratt, replying to JohnB, 2, #732 of 1591 🔗

actually American flu is the clue that the rest is best avoided. Pretty severe case of TDS too I would guess.

295334 ▶▶ Stringfellow Hawke, replying to JohnB, #733 of 1591 🔗

“Most people, a significant proportion of people, will not get this virus at all…of those who get symptoms, the great majority, probably 80%, will have a mild or moderate disease, might be bad enough for them to have to go bed to bed for a few days, not bad enough for them to have to go to the Doctor…” Prof Witty, 11th May 2020 Downing St Briefing

295511 ▶▶ mjr, replying to JohnB, #734 of 1591 🔗

as this person was has been at UCL for so long I would discount them as incompetent immediately . And what about Hong Kong flu 1968. Up to 4 million deaths . No lockdowns. Life went on as normal .

295536 ▶▶ DavidC, replying to JohnB, #735 of 1591 🔗

John,
I did a long post on Tuesday with ONS and Gov.uk figures for UK population and total deaths per year since 1950 showing that even if the rest of this year has the worst of this year’s weekly deaths (about 22,000) this year is at number 40 out of the last 70 years. It’s not even in the top half. Assuming a generous 15,000 per week until the end of this year puts it at number 50. I’ll be happy to post it again although it’s quite a long one. Likewise yesterday I posted a comment with a link to Ivor Cummins’ recent YouTube video and a very good Tom Woods one.

One can argue about the deaths with or from Covid but one cannot argue with the TOTAL deaths – and this year is unexceptional.

His CV might be relevant but he’s certainly being lead by hyperbole and not facts and data.

You should be able to find them doing a search on LS but, again, I will repost as a new comment here if you want me to.

DavidC

296073 ▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to DavidC, 1, #736 of 1591 🔗

Thanks Dave (I will check out Tuesday’s edition), and everyone else who responded.

Too much at stake, I think sums it up well. No way is this chap (nice bloke, kids same age, known him for ~ 30 years) going to conduct a detached review of evidence. A great pity.

I’ve worked out that what irked me most was receiving covid bollocks along with a happy Christmas bridge quiz. I didn’t email all our club members saying ‘Avoid the vaccine !’, did I ?

296187 ▶▶▶▶ DavidC, replying to JohnB, #737 of 1591 🔗

John, It IS a shame that someone with his background is not looking at the data and facts. I’ll probably comment tomorrow (as I do most days) so do let me know if you want me to repost the data and calculations. I did a 9briefish) response to someone I know on Facebook yesterday who was posting emotional fact free stuff- he’s been very quiet since I posted actual numbers to him!

If this was Ebola, I’d be scared. It’s not Ebola!

DavidC

295183 BeBopRockSteady, 4, #738 of 1591 🔗

Eurosurveillance calling for evidence regarding the retraction request for the Dorsten paper. Interesting discussion in the comments too where Kevin Mckernan himself weighs in

https://retractionwatch.com/2020/12/07/public-health-journal-seeking-further-expert-advice-on-january-paper-about-covid-19-pcr-testing-by-high-profile-virologist/

295190 Fruitbat, replying to Fruitbat, #739 of 1591 🔗

Reply received from our MP re. my concerns over possible mandatory vaccination/immunity passports:

Thank you so much for your email.

I fully appreciate you may have some concerns about the Covid-19 vaccine. I was delighted by the news that the Pfizer/BioNTech vaccine has been approved for use in the UK. This really is a momentous occasion and, while there is still some way to go, it provides fresh hope that we can beat this pandemic.

I can assure you that the Medicines and Healthcare products Regulatory Agency (MHRA) has followed rigorous procedures to ensure the vaccine meets the high standards needed to be considered both safe and effective. The MHRA is one of the most respected regulators in the world and I welcome that the World Health Organisation has commended the work of the MHRA and backed this approach.

Any coronavirus vaccine that is approved must go through rigorous clinical trials and safety checks. I am proud that the UK has some of the highest safety standards in the world. So far, thousands of people have been given a coronavirus vaccine and no serious side effects or complications have been reported.

I am committed to ending the current pandemic in the safest possible manner, and I support the measures under the Coronavirus Act 2020 which reinforce and expediate this process. It is important to note that the powers granted to the Government under the Coronavirus Act 2020 are made under and subject to the restrictions of the Control of Disease Act 1984.

Under the 1984 Act, Ministers have the power to make regulations which prevent danger to public health and prevent the spread of infection, but these regulations do not include mandatory treatment or vaccination.

Finally, I too have read reports about the development of so-called ‘Immunity Passports’ which could be used to enable people to safely access certain venues. The Government has stated that the priority at the moment is establishing a safe and effective way to roll out the vaccine to those who need it.

While I understand that a range of options are being considered to encourage people to receive the vaccine, the Government does not plan to make the COVID-19 vaccination mandatory.

I do hope this can be of some use to you and thank you again for taking the time to contact me, and if there is ever anything else I can do for you as your local MP, please do not hesitate to get in touch.

With very best wishes,

Chris

The Rt Hon Chris Skidmore MP
Member of Parliament for Kingswood

295192 ▶▶ anon, replying to Fruitbat, 5, #740 of 1591 🔗

skidmark more like

295214 ▶▶▶ steve_w, replying to anon, 3, #741 of 1591 🔗

Rt Hon Chris Shitstreak MP

295194 ▶▶ Iansn, replying to Fruitbat, 4, #742 of 1591 🔗

blah blah but no personal commitment – wanker

295264 ▶▶ Mabel Cow, replying to Fruitbat, 5, #743 of 1591 🔗

“… the Government does not plan to make the COVID-19 vaccination mandatory.”

I’m so sick of the weasel word plan .

It’s the get-out-of-jail-free card for every public statement these mendacious motherfuckers utter.

296264 ▶▶▶ Fruitbat, replying to Mabel Cow, #744 of 1591 🔗

Absolutely, I had a good idea of what the reply was going to say even before I received it.

295269 ▶▶ DRW, replying to Fruitbat, 4, #745 of 1591 🔗

Ah useless MP boilerplates, the bingo card just fills itself.
Nice to see another South Glos poster on here though!

296266 ▶▶▶ Fruitbat, replying to DRW, #746 of 1591 🔗

Great to know were not alone in these parts. My OH and myself are delivering the leaflets from Back to Normal in this area, so one might be dropping through your letter box eventually!

295535 ▶▶ Ceriain, replying to Fruitbat, 1, #747 of 1591 🔗

Copy and paste rubbish. Another LS member posted a reply yesterday from their MP with almost the same wording.

295191 George L, replying to George L, 15, #748 of 1591 🔗

Yet another big Pharma whistleblower/activist ( Brandy Vaughn ) suffers mysterious death after terrible harassment over a period of time. This brave woman was found by her 9 year old son. We are dealing with a great evil that will crush anyone and anything in its path!

https://bgdsearches.com/2020/12/09/learn-the-risk-founder-brandy-vaughan-found-dead-brandy-vaughan-cause-of-death-is-remains-unknown/

She warned in this video what was happening to her.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fuTXlCGjqMc&feature=emb_logo

295203 ▶▶ calchas, replying to George L, 7, #749 of 1591 🔗

The death last year of PCR inventor Kary Mullis was extremely convenient for the narrative, given the central role played by PCR in this affair.

295223 ▶▶▶ George L, replying to calchas, 2, #750 of 1591 🔗

Absolutely, I agree. Also, over quite a short period of time there have been so many deaths of whistleblowers, activists, natural medicine practitioners, micro-biologists, etc that have stood up to the vast pharmaceutical industry.

295236 ▶▶▶▶ calchas, replying to George L, 2, #751 of 1591 🔗

Nearly 20 years ago a number of microbiologists died under unclear circumstances within a short period of time.

https://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/world/scientists-deaths-are-under-the-microscope/article4134797/

This was between the anthrax attacks in the US and the outbreak of SARS.

295216 ▶▶ Ben, replying to George L, 4, #752 of 1591 🔗

This does Big Pharma no favours. I noticed the MSM have labelled her an ‘anti-vaxxer’ but photos I’ve seen of her are advising people to do their own research. I don’t know much about her. Hope her son will be OK

295232 ▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to Ben, 3, #753 of 1591 🔗

‘…but…’ ?!? Please, Ben.

Most anti-vaxxers I know would advise people to do their own research.

295260 ▶▶▶ Andrew K, replying to Ben, 3, #754 of 1591 🔗

“Hope her son will be OK”

Probably not! all the big pharmas are now lining up to vax that poor child.

295196 Ben, replying to Ben, 21, #755 of 1591 🔗

The State is banning people from seeking sexual and/or romantic relationships. Single people are suffering disproportionately.

Let those in couples who are pushing for lockdown separate and live alone.

295205 ▶▶ JHuntz, replying to Ben, 11, #756 of 1591 🔗

Now gone 9 months without a meaningful conversation with the opposite sex. Online dating is a dumpster fire alternative.

295224 ▶▶▶ SionnachAirgid, replying to JHuntz, 5, #757 of 1591 🔗

Probably being unfair to dumpster fires..

295235 ▶▶▶ Gerry Mandarin, replying to JHuntz, 3, #758 of 1591 🔗

Not worth it. As long as the photo’s arn’t too scary (many are), I preferred to meet them anyway. They were normally quite different to talk to in person. If not prepared to meet up in say a busy pub, I stopped messaging, experience told me they will keep cancelling at the last minute and were a waste of my time.

Sure some would be happy to meet up for a sit on a park or town centre bench, especially if breaking rules!

295253 ▶▶▶▶ JHuntz, replying to Gerry Mandarin, 6, #759 of 1591 🔗

It’s a waste of time. We need pubs open without this distancing garbage.

295280 ▶▶▶ DRW, replying to JHuntz, 2, #760 of 1591 🔗

Sorry to hear that JHuntz. I’m very lucky to sort of have a certain special lady, not seen her for 9 months though. Have you tried the LS Forum?

295321 ▶▶▶▶ JHuntz, replying to DRW, 2, #761 of 1591 🔗

Good to hear man. I’m not bothering anymore. Thankfully, i’ve had a lot of fun when I was younger and figure this will work itself out at some point. I feel worse for the late teens/ early twentys.

295210 ▶▶ steve_w, replying to Ben, 7, #762 of 1591 🔗

anybody pushing for lockdown should be asset stripped and put in a hostel for life

295306 ▶▶ Sarigan, replying to Ben, 10, #763 of 1591 🔗

Meanwhile in Belgium:

https://twitter.com/andybird21/status/1336578558601420800?s=12
comment image :large

EDIT: I am not saying anything about her being health minister and have stapled my mouth closed to prevent that.

295324 ▶▶▶ JHuntz, replying to Sarigan, 1, #764 of 1591 🔗

She is just jelous cause she doesn’t get invited to any orgys.

295349 ▶▶▶ George L, replying to Sarigan, #765 of 1591 🔗

Tell me again.. where’s Belgium..???

295468 ▶▶▶▶ annie, replying to George L, 3, #766 of 1591 🔗

Judging by the pic, the name ought to be Bulgium.

295394 ▶▶▶ thinkaboutit, replying to Sarigan, #767 of 1591 🔗

LOL. Beyond parody.

295475 ▶▶▶ annie, replying to Sarigan, 1, #768 of 1591 🔗

What’s an essential sexual activity?

295633 ▶▶▶▶ Hieronimusb, replying to annie, #769 of 1591 🔗

Similar to an existential sexual activity but you’ve just gotta have it?

295380 ▶▶ Poppy, replying to Ben, 3, #770 of 1591 🔗

Indeed. One of the reasons I am so vehemently opposed to lockdown is that I do not live with my partner and so it is illegal for us to meet indoors. It is also not currently practical for us to move in together permanently to avoid restrictions. The state has absolutely no idea how ordinary people conduct private relationships.

But you are quite right, I would wager that most people who support/are not bothered about lockdowns already live with the most important people in their lives.

295467 ▶▶▶ annie, replying to Poppy, #771 of 1591 🔗

Move in! you can always move out again later.

295665 ▶▶▶ Sue, replying to Poppy, #772 of 1591 🔗

just ‘move in’ for a weekend and say it didn’t work and move out/go back to where live normally, and try every weekend until you get the hang of living together! 🙂
I hope you’re ignoring this ridiculous state restriction in any case – we’re in a circus ruled by clowns.

295201 JHuntz, replying to JHuntz, 5, #773 of 1591 🔗

What a lovely way to prevent that vaccination poll 1. Comfortable 2. Uneasy 3. Anti-Vaxxer .

Clearly opinion don’t have any unsavoury affiliations.

295219 ▶▶ Julian, replying to JHuntz, 3, #774 of 1591 🔗

Yes have just done a YouGov poll, there was a question about lifting restrictions:

When/how do you think restrictions should be lifted:

1) Restrictions should be lifted for people who have had the vaccine
2) Restrictions should not be lifted until most people have had the vaccine
3) Don’t know

295225 ▶▶▶ Ben, replying to Julian, 11, #775 of 1591 🔗

YouGov ‘polls’ are not polls but leading questions designed to influence public opinion.

YouGov is fascistic – Agree? Disagree? Not Sure?

295240 ▶▶▶▶ PoshPanic, replying to Ben, 8, #776 of 1591 🔗

Strongly Agree

295278 ▶▶▶▶▶ Be Unshakeable, replying to PoshPanic, #777 of 1591 🔗

Strongly agree with your strong agreement.

295237 ▶▶▶ richmond, replying to Julian, 1, #778 of 1591 🔗

Added to which, the sort of people who have the wrong opinions are likely to be put off bothering to do these polls in the future.

295263 ▶▶▶▶ Julian, replying to richmond, 1, #779 of 1591 🔗

I try to do them, and answer as sceptically as possible. If there’s no decent sceptic answer I bail out.

295285 ▶▶▶▶ Be Unshakeable, replying to richmond, 1, #780 of 1591 🔗

Crafting your reality, one meaningless poll at a time….

295256 ▶▶ Victoria, replying to JHuntz, 6, #781 of 1591 🔗

Anti-Vaxxer should have read Pro Choice

295227 godowneasy, replying to godowneasy, 2, #782 of 1591 🔗

Wondering why so many people would be happy to be injected with a COVID-19 vaccine? – well just consider some of the other things that people put into their bodies and perhaps it explains it:

According to the Irish Journal: https://www.thejournal.ie/poisoning-eating-laundry-capsules-2019-5294862-Dec2020/

WASHING DETERGENT CAPSULES were the most common household item responsible for queries to the National Poisons Information Centre (NPIC) last year.

The centre received 3,305 enquiries involving poisoning by in 2019, of which 324 related to cleaning sachets or laundry tablets and pods.
The NPIC also received hundreds of queries about bleach liquid (183), disinfectants, antiseptics and sanitisers (125), dishwasher tablets (123) and firelighters (98).

295254 ▶▶ Victoria, replying to godowneasy, 2, #783 of 1591 🔗

also on their bodies – often gag when people walk past and you can smell their synthetic fragrance detergent on them / their clothes.

295234 Julian, replying to Julian, 5, #784 of 1591 🔗

Government have just rejected the following petition set up by fellow LS member Steve Martindale:

“To rescind, The Coronavirus, Wearing of Face Coverings England Regulations 2020.
The Health Protection (Coronavirus, Wearing of Face Coverings in a Relevant Place) (England) Regulations 2020, are due for their 6 month review in January 2021, we are requesting that Parliament and the Government use the opportunity of this review to rescind these regulations.
These regulations have been in force since July and they seem to have had relatively little effect on the virus. Studies and official comments have cast serious doubts on the benefits of face-masks. At the same time the adverse effects of mask wearing both physically and psychologically are becoming more apparent and serious. Mask wearing destroys our humanity and our vitality . With the virus in decline, now is the time to be bold and rescind these regulations and get back to normal life.”

Reason:

“Sorry, we can’t accept the petition you supported – “To rescind, The Coronavirus, Wearing of Face Coverings England Regulations 2020.”.
It included confidential, libellous, false, unproven or defamatory information, or a reference to a case where there are active legal proceedings.
We can’t publish petitions that include false or unverified information about public health. In any case, there’s already a similar petition on this issue:

https://petition.parliament.uk/petitions/331174

We only reject petitions that don’t meet the petition standards:

https://petition.parliament.uk/help#standards

295245 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to Julian, 3, #785 of 1591 🔗

The Science.

295261 ▶▶▶ Julian, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 4, #786 of 1591 🔗

Be curious to know which of the reasons they felt were applicable in this case. They are incredibly broad and vague. I don’t think there should be any limitations on what you can have in a petition, other than if the petition was calling for criminal action. Even the limitation on libel is questionable as libel is something for the courts to decide.

295290 ▶▶▶▶ The Filthy Engineer, replying to Julian, 2, #787 of 1591 🔗

I quite agree. Isn’t the point of parliament to debate the evidence put forward? Oh wait….

295415 ▶▶ Ceriain, replying to Julian, 1, #788 of 1591 🔗

Thanks, Julian.

I was one of Steve’s co-sponsors and just got the email above. For the likes of me, I cannot see what is in there that is “confidential, libellous , false, unproven or defamatory information, or a reference to a case where there are active legal proceedings”

Libellous? Defamatory? Against whom?

Is this a generic reply? Do they just make the rules up?

Totally baffled here. 🙁

295244 Chris John, replying to Chris John, 2, #789 of 1591 🔗

Does anyone know if Tamiflu usage back in the days of Swine flu would affect your chances of getting the ‘rona?

295250 ▶▶ calchas, replying to Chris John, 3, #790 of 1591 🔗

There is apparently a positive correlation with getting the flu jab.

I assume you are asking for a friend.

295259 Victoria, replying to Victoria, 3, #791 of 1591 🔗

‘Bell’s palsy, a form of temporary facial paralysis, was reported by four participants during phase 3 trials [Pfizer]. The individuals had been administered the jab, and no members of the placebo group experienced similar adverse effects’

https://twitter.com/simondolan/status/1336937037090394112

295384 ▶▶ tonyspurs, replying to Victoria, 6, #792 of 1591 🔗

I’ve had Bells Palsy and it took over a year until my face felt normal ,6 weeks until I could blink my left eye I would sooner take my chances with the Rona

295265 DRW, 19, #793 of 1591 🔗

Afternoon all, had another stickering session this morning. Cards also left at strategic locations. Certainly a better bet than writing to the useless MP, you never know whose eyes they might catch.

295267 SteveS, replying to SteveS, 6, #794 of 1591 🔗

Dear humankind. Can I please talk to you? I wish to plead my case
I feel I’ve been unfairly judged by almost all the human race
I cannot cope, I’m so depressed, I’m at the end of my tether
This missive aims to clear the air, we must learn to live together
Here goes, first things first, I should really introduce myself to you
I’m the youngest of the covid family – known as Cov-2
I’ve done you wrong, I cannot deny, and I’d love to make amends
Alas I can’t and I’m not suggesting we could become best friends
But crimes I’ve committed I could not help, they’re in my (R)DNA
You could not really expect me to behave any other way
But YOU do have choice, it’s up to you how humanity reacts
And this is where I feel aggrieved and wish to state some crucial facts
Your actions have been plagued (pun intended) by many mistakes thus far
Which all portray my crimes as being far worse than they really are
Number 1, computer modeling, you really should know better
Than to trust the dire projections of a serial bed-wetter
He tried to model impact from my older siblings before me
You should have checked and seen how super wrong a modeller can be
I’m not as lethal as you first thought and some of you were immune
But you all think I’m the Black Death 2 thanks to that bloody buffoon
Number two on the list, lockdown madness, most of your countries freaked
And locked their people up needlessly – after I’d already peaked
They discarded existing protocols which were written by the best
Mr Buffoon scared them into putting the world in house arrest
Nine months on and the data backs this up – the lockdowns made no odds
But they’re bloody doing it again – blaming me the selfish sods
Which leads me nicely to the next talking point – here’s fact number three
Your “Second wave” is just a feature of your own mass testing spree
You bought a test, like a shiny toy, and used it in every nation
But it’s so sensitive it could find Boris’ spine with enough ‘amplification’
Governments rolled it out anyway, they must think people haven’t sussed
That the number of amplification cycles used are way above what you can trust
Your governments know the testing’s wrong but need to keep it going
They have a plan to save their skins but do not want you knowing
I understand, they can’t let you know it’s no longer about flattening a curve
I left in summer, I’m sick of shouldering blame for things I do not deserve
Number four, vaccines, rushed, but better late than never?
Not really, but as part of a plan this may turn out quite clever
After all, I’m done, you don’t NEED one, but what you COULD probably use
Is a deception, a subterfuge, a smoke screen, a cunning plan, a ruse
Normality has to return soon for everybody’s sakes
And a vaccine might allow your leaders to hide their terrible mistakes
The tsunami of lockdown caused woe is en-route and can’t be hidden for long
It will soon be apparent to all of the world the catastrophic things leaders did wrong
Unless they can somehow manufacture a fortuitous situation
Where for example a miracle vaccine is available to the whole population
They might then get away with all the unemployment and recession
Heart attacks, cancer deaths, mental health, abuse, depression
They could claim that they’ve got me well and truly beat
And the sheeple can then be graciously allowed back onto the street
It’s impressive and I could almost applaud this dastardly plot
But it’s me that will be blamed for the cost so I’m afraid I cannot
Number five masks, HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA
Do you really think I give a damn how virtuous you all are?
That seems to be the rationale, “I do this for you not myself”
Perhaps you should think how restricting oxygen affects YOUR health
You’re having a laugh if you think any dirty old rag could stop me
You do know there are holes in them? Even if made by Armani
The cloth may be the finest of weaves, but have you ever seen me?
You haven’t, that’s the point. You can’t. I’m unbelievably tiny
You wander around muzzled with a germ infested cotton rag
Which you touch to adjust, when you itch, when you speak, or smoke a fag
So any of me that happens to get trapped by that thing on your face
Your filthy fidget fingers pick up and spread all over the place
You also feel a bit safer so you mingle much more freely
Do I have to explain just how counterproductive this is, really?
So humans please, reclaim your lives, and allow me to reclaim mine
I’m sure if we can all calm right down we can coexist just fine
You humans shouldn’t be restricted you need to set your selves free
And I need a break from siblings that laugh at the way you treat me
You didn’t hide from Birdie or Swiney did you? They think this is just hilarious. So cheers.

296207 ▶▶ DomW, replying to SteveS, #795 of 1591 🔗

Nice!

295270 JanMasarykMunich, replying to JanMasarykMunich, 7, #796 of 1591 🔗

Not seen it mentioned, but today is International Human Rights Day.
Anyone celebrating?

295271 ▶▶ leggy, replying to JanMasarykMunich, 5, #797 of 1591 🔗

Commiserating.

295272 ▶▶ Janice21, replying to JanMasarykMunich, 8, #798 of 1591 🔗

I would, but I didn’t know we had many human rights left anymore!

295274 ▶▶ Be Unshakeable, replying to JanMasarykMunich, 5, #799 of 1591 🔗

Human whatnows?

295293 ▶▶▶ Hieronimusb, replying to Be Unshakeable, #800 of 1591 🔗

Haven’t we met before somewhere?

295275 ▶▶ dhid, replying to JanMasarykMunich, 1, #801 of 1591 🔗

Not celebrating because I didn’t know (wonder why?) and even if I did, we no longer have any Human Rights.

295308 ▶▶ Andrew K, replying to JanMasarykMunich, 2, #802 of 1591 🔗

“International Human Rights Day”

Sorry remind me what that is again. google can’t find anything that references Human Rights.

295315 ▶▶ mattghg, replying to JanMasarykMunich, #803 of 1591 🔗

Yikes. Just look at the positively Soviet spin the UN is putting on it: https://www.un.org/en/observances/human-rights-day

295276 Sir Patrick Vaccine, replying to Sir Patrick Vaccine, 2, #804 of 1591 🔗

Dear Lf
Vallance admits The 10pm Curfew Did NOTHING | Carl Vernon
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hphFofIu2y4

295295 ▶▶ George L, replying to Sir Patrick Vaccine, 5, #805 of 1591 🔗

10pm! the bastards are hinting at a 5pm curfew in France along with the form you have to carry when you dare to leave your house. WTF has happened? The Gilet Jaune’s had Macron on the ropes last year, and now???

295492 ▶▶▶ annie, replying to George L, 1, #806 of 1591 🔗

Zombies have happened.
A global infestation.

295476 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to Sir Patrick Vaccine, #807 of 1591 🔗

This is a bit more like it. Bring in some muscle.

NYC
https://youtu.be/94itzKrh-U4

295289 Biggles, replying to Biggles, 19, #808 of 1591 🔗

Just had a parcel delivery from DPD. The email said that it would be left on the step and the driver would take a photo of the open front door as proof of delivery.

When the van arrived I was outside having started my old car up in the garage. He wasn’t wearing a mask, handed the parcel directly to me and we then had a chat about my car with no social distancing. Smiles all round!

295301 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to Biggles, 5, #809 of 1591 🔗

I hope you are now bathing in a bath of turps. It’s the only way.

295305 ▶▶ Andrew K, replying to Biggles, 8, #810 of 1591 🔗

Biggles what is you real name, I will report you to the police, you’re killing me and my 127 year old grandad by smiling and talking to strangers.

295316 ▶▶▶ Biggles, replying to Andrew K, 8, #811 of 1591 🔗

My name is James Bigglesworth and if you want to shop me to the police, get them to call me on Messerschmitt 109.

295375 ▶▶▶▶ tonyspurs, replying to Biggles, 1, #812 of 1591 🔗

I thought you might be a Focke?

295431 ▶▶▶▶▶ Biggles, replying to tonyspurs, 3, #813 of 1591 🔗

The old gags are the best.

295489 ▶▶▶▶ annie, replying to Biggles, 1, #814 of 1591 🔗

Von Stalhein has you in his sights.

295499 ▶▶▶▶▶ Biggles, replying to annie, #815 of 1591 🔗

No he hasn’t, his monocle keeps steaming up.

295594 ▶▶▶▶ Edward, replying to Biggles, #816 of 1591 🔗

Give my regards to Algy, Bertie and Ginger.

295341 ▶▶▶ Liam, replying to Andrew K, 3, #817 of 1591 🔗

Will no one think of your 127 year old grandad’s parents?!

295367 ▶▶ Ceriain, replying to Biggles, 5, #818 of 1591 🔗

Yup! My DPD delivery guy who delivered yesterday was the same. Got a couple of regular drivers around here who think it’s all bollocks, as does our postie.

295292 Jay Berger, 10, #819 of 1591 🔗

“..these ridiculous criteria mean that all but the largest city centre corporates will be able to provide the staff, space and throughput to do this.”

Welcome to the Great Reset,
pharmacists.
Many professionals supportive of lockdowns, like you, will over time be swept aside, just like Bill&Klaus always intended and told you openly about.

The Great Reset deniers remind me of the people who always ignored what Hitler wrote in ‘Mein Kampf’.

295303 Jay Berger, replying to Jay Berger, 5, #820 of 1591 🔗

The most qualified and prominent critic of the Corona vaccines in Germany, toxicology Professor Stefan Hockertz, is now particularly critical about vector DNA vaccines, like the Russian and Oxford ones.
https://reitschuster.de/post/impfstoff-genetisch-manipuliertes-virus/

295307 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to Jay Berger, #821 of 1591 🔗

Sound like my kinda Bratwurst:
“Only few variables were good predictors. Of the public health variables only border closure had the potential of preventing cases and none were predictors for preventing deaths. School closures, likely as a proxy for social distancing in severely ill patients, was associated with increased deaths. Conclusion: The pandemic seems to run its autonomous course and only border closure has the potential to prevent cases. None of them contributes to preventing deaths.”

https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.06.18.20135012v2

295363 ▶▶ Banjones, replying to Jay Berger, #822 of 1591 🔗

Is this the same one? (apologies if it is)

https://player.vimeo.com/video/487879592

295310 arfurmo, replying to arfurmo, 7, #823 of 1591 🔗

I’ve had the vaccine -don’t believe me ? I’m happy to post my certificate on here (once it arrives) https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9038377/TikTok-user-advertises-fake-Covid-vaccine-ID-cards-sale-just-5-shock-video-post.html

295376 ▶▶ Julian, replying to arfurmo, 1, #824 of 1591 🔗

Hardly a shock

295311 Al T, replying to Al T, 6, #825 of 1591 🔗

Just seen using the Telegraph look up tool that, of the 232 cases of Covid in my area, 58 of them-25%- were caught in hospitals!

Given that all of our lives are subject to and contingent upon the smooth operation of the sainted NHS, you’d think they might do something about infection control.

295323 ▶▶ Janice21, replying to Al T, 3, #826 of 1591 🔗

I’ve heard of several people contracting it in hospitals when they have went in with something non Covid related. All that PPE useless.

295327 ▶▶▶ Lisa (formerly) from Toronto, replying to Janice21, 12, #827 of 1591 🔗

Exactly. They should either admit, finally, that masks are useless or admit that their so-called trained medical professionals don’t know how to properly use them. In either case it makes zero sense for the general public to be walking around masked, but I’m preaching to the converted here.

295335 ▶▶▶ Rowan, replying to Janice21, #828 of 1591 🔗

It’s a little something we put in their medicine. The case numbers do need to be kept up.

295356 ▶▶▶ Banjones, replying to Janice21, 1, #829 of 1591 🔗

Madge Hancock’s got a PPE. Do you think that’s what qualifies him to preach to us about all things medical?

295379 ▶▶ thinkaboutit, replying to Al T, 8, #830 of 1591 🔗

My son is currently in A&E. I asked him if he’d caught Covid yet. That’s our macabre sense of humour.
Hes fully prepared to ask them how many cycles they use in their PCR test if they swab him.

295403 ▶▶ TJS123, replying to Al T, #831 of 1591 🔗

Nope, there’s nothing that can be done unless all multi bedded wards are replaced with single rooms so poorly vulnerable people can be better protected. . It just reflects what we’ve all been saying which is that masks don’t protect staff or patients against viruses

295312 calchas, replying to calchas, 4, #832 of 1591 🔗

https://www.zerohedge.com/political/airasia-ceo-asian-nations-wont-let-anyone-without-vaccination

“AirAsia CEO: Asian Nations “Won’t Let Anyone In Without A Vaccination””

295322 ▶▶ Lisa (formerly) from Toronto, replying to calchas, 14, #833 of 1591 🔗

Glad I lived there for two years. Absolutely no need to go back. Every country that requires this can f*ck off and watch their tourism industry never come back. They do seem to accept a negative test before flying, but given the accuracy of the test I’m not sure I’d sign up to be forcibly quarantined for 2 weeks based on a false positive. That’s assuming I’d get on a plane with a mask, which is a non-starter. If we thought travel was miserable before…

295352 ▶▶▶ Banjones, replying to Lisa (formerly) from Toronto, 7, #834 of 1591 🔗

Considering how many countries are (were) dependent on tourism for their people’s very survival, this is suicidal. But I suppose it fits in with the general plan of ruining economies so that they can be ”reset”.

295385 ▶▶▶▶ JHuntz, replying to Banjones, 1, #835 of 1591 🔗

Yes, which would appear to involve starving the third world thereby effectively committing genocide.

295418 ▶▶▶ Tom in Scotland, replying to Lisa (formerly) from Toronto, 4, #836 of 1591 🔗

I wouldn’t even consider visiting a country that required this vaccine for visitors (though I don’t think the technology exists to confirm it, not without massive fraud). No flying for hours and hours with a fucking mask on; I would occasionally have breathing problems on long-haul flights due to the dry air and my allergies and deviated septum, so there’s just no way that it would be possible. Glad that I’ve travelled quite extensively (including East Asia, and have lived there on-and-off) and have, to a large extent, managed to get it out of my system, though there are few places I would like to visit again (or for the first time). The tourism sector really needs to look at this carefully and governments need to consider how important the sector is to them.

295441 ▶▶▶ Locked down and out, replying to Lisa (formerly) from Toronto, 1, #837 of 1591 🔗

See what has just happened in Singapore where a cruise to nowhere has just been cancelled because one passenger tested positive. Yet, when retested ashore (I think) was negative. So everyone’s little mystery voyage halted for nothing.

295350 ▶▶ Darryl, replying to calchas, 11, #838 of 1591 🔗

All seems part of a general globalist theme to end and restrict free movement. Unfortunately most of the CEOs of multinationals go to Davos / similar events and have been brainwashed to believe we all need digital IDs and the eventual move to transhumanism.

The general public just happily surrender any freedoms they still have as long as they have Netflix and Social Media to keep them amused / distracted.

295427 ▶▶▶ Tom in Scotland, replying to Darryl, 4, #839 of 1591 🔗

I think the general public has been the biggest part of the problem here!

The transhumanism thing is creepy. Bad enough in sci-fi, but worse to think that some people seem to want it now.

295317 Tenchy, replying to Tenchy, 2, #840 of 1591 🔗

Did you know that 2 million people have already been vaccinated with the Pfizer goop in the UK? That was bloody quick! This is from The Telegraph coronavirus live feed (free), my emphasis:

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/global-health/science-and-disease/coronavirus-news-covid-vaccine-pfizer-uk-lockdown-tier/

Allergic reactions to vaccine ‘very rare’

Severe allergic reactions to vaccines are “one in a million” and NHS staff are trained to deal with them when they occur, the former head of immunisation at the Department of Health has said.

On Wednesday regulators warned that people with a history of significant allergies should not take the Pfizer/BioNTech Covid jab after two NHS workers had reactions.

But Professor David Salisbury, who was head of immunisation until 2013, moved to ease fears over dangers involved with the jab.

He said: “Severe adverse reactions, allergic ones to vaccines, do happen but they are very rare.

They happen of the order of about one-in-a million doses . And everyone who administers vaccines in this country is trained to deal with them.”

He added that the two people who reacted, who carry epipens to deal with their allergies, have got a “different threshold for allergic reactions to many other people.”

Professor Salisbury said that clinical trials often screen out people with allergies, and so it is normal to “discover this sort of event in the surveillance that goes on after the programme rolls out.”

Asked if there could be a range of reactions as the vaccine is rolled out across the world, he said: “They will happen. What will also happen is there will be events after vaccination that actually have nothing to do with it.

“We need to be very careful to separate out coincidence from causality.”

295326 ▶▶ Rowan, replying to Tenchy, 6, #841 of 1591 🔗

“We need to be very careful to separate out coincidence from causality.”

Oh yes, we do need to be very careful.

295336 ▶▶▶ Liam, replying to Rowan, 3, #842 of 1591 🔗

Either these people are thick, have a hell of a nerve, or they’re just openly trolling us now.

295365 ▶▶▶▶ Tenchy, replying to Liam, 2, #843 of 1591 🔗

On balance, I would say “have a hell of a nerve” is the most likely, but I wouldn’t completely rule out the other two.

295393 ▶▶▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to Liam, 1, #844 of 1591 🔗

They’ve been gaslighted and think that means they need to come out with such overt nonsense so as to appear on the right side. They are over eager virtue signalling muppets.

295471 ▶▶▶ maggie may, replying to Rowan, 1, #845 of 1591 🔗

Well that will be a first then!

295344 ▶▶ Banjones, replying to Tenchy, #846 of 1591 🔗

There. So that’s all right, then.

295346 ▶▶ Ceriain, replying to Tenchy, 2, #847 of 1591 🔗

Did you know that 2 million people have already been vaccinated with the Pfizer goop in the UK?

I thought you were being serious for a minute.

295483 ▶▶ annie, replying to Tenchy, 2, #848 of 1591 🔗

Yeah, like they do with Covvideaths.

295562 ▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to Tenchy, 2, #849 of 1591 🔗

“One in a million chances happen nine times out of ten.” Small Gods , Terry Pratchett.

295318 kf99, replying to kf99, 3, #850 of 1591 🔗

More BBC pseudoscience nicely debunked by facts in this always readable blog.
“Snowy winters could become a thing of the past as climate change affects the UK”

295328 ▶▶ NorthumbrianNomad, replying to kf99, 1, #851 of 1591 🔗

I remember when I lived in Austria around 2000 people were saying they would never see snow in Vienna again. Everyone confuses weather with climate. And never is a long time.

(The important marker of actual climatic change is night time temperatures. When I was at school I was taught that the average first frost in the Scottish glens came in the first week of August. I would be surprised to see frost there before October now. NOT to say that the answer to this is Thunbergist Puritanism or idiotic schemes for hydrogen heating.)

295402 ▶▶ mhcp, replying to kf99, 5, #853 of 1591 🔗

David Viner said that 20 years ago. And we’ve had some of the worst winters in that time period. 2017/2018 being particularly bad.

These people are fucking tools

295459 ▶▶ Ceriain, replying to kf99, 3, #854 of 1591 🔗

Bollocks! They told us that 20 years ago, and the south-east should be under water by now.

295547 ▶▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to Ceriain, 2, #855 of 1591 🔗

Remember “a hundred months to save the world”? Prince Charles speaking in March 2009. That brings us to July 2017. Strange, the world was still ticking over nicely, thank you. Then in December 2019, up pops Prince Bill with “we have less than ten years to save the planet.”

Plus ca change…

295319 Rowan, replying to Rowan, 6, #856 of 1591 🔗

Given that a recent poll suggested 40% of doctors wouldn’t want to take the vaccine, I suspect there will be an even bigger rush for the exit from the NHS.

What the heck do the other 60% have between their ears, it’s certainly not brains.

295337 ▶▶ Banjones, replying to Rowan, 3, #857 of 1591 🔗

I just read this after following one of Toby’s links. Can you imagine a doctor going through this with every single patient?!
https://uploads-ssl.webflow.com/5fa5866942937a4d73918723/5fcccc0fb2087f907e58ea30_UKMFA_CV19_vaccine_consent_form_v2.pdf

295320 Janice21, replying to Janice21, 4, #858 of 1591 🔗

Can anyone shed any light on how obesity can factor in Covid mortality? Are there any statistics out there on it? Just saw a friend of a friend of a friends husband passed away aged 58 of Covid after being on a ventilator and in ICU for 7 weeks. Non smoker and no underlying health conditions but from his pictures he seems fairly overweight.
Just curious is all.

295325 ▶▶ calchas, replying to Janice21, 24, #859 of 1591 🔗

Perhaps an undiagnosed underlying condition.

It came out fairly early that obesity was a risk factor. Strangely enough, it doesn’t seem to have prompted fat covidians to lose weight.

They want you to wear a mask to ‘protect them’ and demand all sorts of freedom-shrinking measures, but are not prepared to lose weight.

Funny that.

295331 ▶▶▶ Janice21, replying to calchas, 5, #860 of 1591 🔗

Likely first in line at the McDonalds drive thru when it re-opened.

295340 ▶▶▶▶ calchas, replying to Janice21, 11, #861 of 1591 🔗

Yes, so when confronted by an overweight covidian demanding you wear a mask or give up any freedom at all, an apposite response from a sceptic might be to point to the covidian’s gut and say:

“Get rid of that first and then we can talk about it”

295359 ▶▶▶▶▶ DRW, replying to calchas, 9, #862 of 1591 🔗

A few months ago there was an obese muzzled woman on a mobility scooter swerving around everyone, had me laughing all day.

295368 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Liam, replying to DRW, 2, #863 of 1591 🔗

I can just picture that.

295707 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ mjr, replying to DRW, 2, #864 of 1591 🔗

i was once in Wythenshawe town centre and watched a mobility scooter pull up outside the pound bakers (think cheap Greggs) and very large lady (not that old) in velour trackies put out her fag, waddle in , buy a bag of sausage rolls (5 for £1), come back out, light up another fag, waddle back to the scooter and shoot off.

295355 ▶▶▶ Sarigan, replying to calchas, 5, #865 of 1591 🔗

It was discussed sometime ago on here but a weakened immune system should be classed as an underlying condition. Be it due to vitamin deficiencies, obesity, fitness, mental state, sleep, diet etc. All and more can affect the immune system and ability to fight off illness and disease.

295474 ▶▶▶▶ Kevin 2, replying to Sarigan, #866 of 1591 🔗

There is method in their madness..

“Emerging evidence is tracing the pathways of the mind-body interaction. For example, as seen with the college students, chronic feelings of loneliness can help to predict health status — perhaps because lonely people have more psychological stress or experience it more intensely and that stress in turn tamps down immunity. It’s also no surprise that depression hurts immunity; it’s also linked to other physical problems such as heart disease. At the same time, depression may both reflect a lack of social support and/or cause someone to withdraw from social ties. Both can be stressful and hurt the body’s ability to fight infection.”

https://www.apa.org/research/action/immune

295330 ▶▶ Banjones, replying to Janice21, 2, #867 of 1591 🔗

I read somewhere recently that vitamin D is stored in the fat – so I assumed that if one were overweight then it wouldn’t be processed by the body as efficiently. But I’m no medical expert!

295391 ▶▶▶ Lisa (formerly) from Toronto, replying to Banjones, 3, #868 of 1591 🔗

That’s OK, neither are the so-called medical experts. I’ll take your opinion over theirs any day.

295333 ▶▶ Gerry Mandarin, replying to Janice21, #869 of 1591 🔗

Not necessarily being overweight in itself, but if he had a fatty liver which is probable, he would have been more susceptible than he looks.

295342 ▶▶ Liam, replying to Janice21, 4, #870 of 1591 🔗

The sheer physical burden of being very heavy exerts a toll on the heart and lungs.

295354 ▶▶ Charlie Blue, replying to Janice21, 2, #871 of 1591 🔗

According to Cancer Research UK 63% of UK adults were overweight or obese in 2018/19. There’s no way that any political party would ever be honest about the relationship with covid-related illness/death and carrying too much weight.

295357 ▶▶ maggie may, replying to Janice21, 1, #872 of 1591 🔗

i have a feeling i read somewhere that it was due to the extra fat making the lungs compressed and so with the breathlessness etc that you get with Covid, you are a lot more susceptible to serious problems and initially a lot of ventilators were used on obese people. May be completely wrong, apologies if so.

295360 ▶▶ Be Unshakeable, replying to Janice21, 4, #873 of 1591 🔗

Obesity exacerbates health conditions and diseases, so you’re already starting off in a weakend position if you catch something nasty. This should be obvious, but apparently the truth hurts feelings, so we continue to pretend it isn’t a problem and legislate against anyone who says it is.

295370 ▶▶ Angryphon of Tunbridge Wells, replying to Janice21, 4, #874 of 1591 🔗

Well sad to say it was probably the ventilator that killed him he passed away with covid through aggressive invasive procedures.I know 2 people who passed away in similar circumstances those monstrous ventilators currently collecting dust.

295373 ▶▶ Andy Riley, replying to Janice21, 1, #875 of 1591 🔗

https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.05.06.20092999v1.full.pdf

Page 11 has a handy graphic showing the relative weight of comorbidity factors,

295386 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to Janice21, 1, #876 of 1591 🔗

Lots of good stuff here on obesity for ICU patients with Covid. Regularly over 70%
https://www.icnarc.org/

295396 ▶▶ William Hand, replying to Janice21, 1, #877 of 1591 🔗

Being fat is a big risk factor for the under 70s. By fat I do not mean just overweight, I mean fat, around the waist.

295400 ▶▶ Victoria, replying to Janice21, 4, #878 of 1591 🔗

Ventilators kill Covid patients – doctors did that at the start of the so-called pandemic, but quickly realised that it killed patients

295442 ▶▶ David Grimbleby, replying to Janice21, 2, #881 of 1591 🔗

Ask the Belgian Health minister.

295449 ▶▶ leggy, replying to Janice21, #882 of 1591 🔗

I’m pretty sure that being fairly overweight is an underlying health condition.

295469 ▶▶ Two-Six, replying to Janice21, 3, #883 of 1591 🔗

My guess. as I am just a village idiot.. If people are obese, fat is stored around internal organs and a lot it it will start to intrude on lung capacity. I carried about a stone and a half of extra weight around a few years ago than I do now and I can remember bending down would cause me to exhale.

I think if elderly or very unfit people who have weaker diaghphram muscles and less lung capacity that a fit person anyway, with added restrictions on lung capacity thrown into the mix would be much more at risk of having breathing trouble if they did get the rona. Perhaps throw in issues like spinal deformity pressing on the lunds or fat this would also increase the risk of infections in parts of the lungs that are closed down by physical external pressure.

Then if the said fat person gets put on a ventilator just the weight of their bulky body pressing on their lungs would mean more pressure need to inflate their lungs, lots of problems there and perhaps even pressure on their hearts if they were lying face down..Nightmare
Sounds like a death sentence to me.

295502 ▶▶ Winston Smith, replying to Janice21, 2, #884 of 1591 🔗

Obesity puts machinical strain on the respiratory and circulatory system. Any associated disease or morbidity will make everything worse.

Even just being obese patients has a negative impact on their outcomes; pressure sores, mobilisation etc.

I remember thinking when I was recovering from my stroke, how much harder this would have been if I overweight.

295539 ▶▶ Silke David, replying to Janice21, 3, #885 of 1591 🔗

7 weeks ICU and ventilation will kill anyone.
OK, so he was bad enough to have to be admitted to ICU and ventilated in the first place, but if he did not get better within 2 weeks, he was a lost cause.
He might have had undiagnosed health issues, being a man and fairly overweight is normal in GB, and not going to the GP, too. So, diabetes type 2 and probably a weakened heart, which would have let to blood clots, then lying around for 7 weeks. Death.

295722 ▶▶▶ Dodderydude, replying to Silke David, 1, #886 of 1591 🔗

I recall seeing a podcast interview with an American IC doctor in late spring and he said that it was appalling how ventilators were being used on patients who simply needed supplementary oxygen. His opinion was that if a patient has a low oxygen count and is struggling to breathe they should never be placed on an invasive ventilator IF they are able to respond to any instruction e.g. ‘look up’, ‘look down’, ‘follow my finger’.

He described how he was aware of people who had walked into a hospital in respiratory distress but fully responsive who were then “irresponsibly” placed immediately on an invasive ventilator, often with disastrous consequences. A ventilator should very much be seen as a measure of last resort. His explanation was that hospital administrators insisted on this protocol in order to reduce the chance of doctors and nurses being infected, resulting in staff absences.

295351 godowneasy, replying to godowneasy, 5, #887 of 1591 🔗

You thought the Xmas rules in the UK were bad? Check out what they are doing to the citizens of Belgium; Gatherings are allowed outside in the garden only – no indoor gatherings AND police can enter without a warrant:

Police can enter homes to check if rules are respected, Interior Minister says

Key points:

  • Inviting people to your backyard for the holidays is allowed, but only if the total group size is not bigger than four people, and social distancing and hygiene measures are respected at all times.
  • “If there is a serious threat to physical integrity, which could happen in the event of the spread of the coronavirus, the police could enter [homes] without a search warrant,” Verlinden said on the Flemish television programme ‘De Afspraak’.

And from here: Belgium’s Covid Christmas rules: Only one guest can use the toilet :

  • When inviting some guests to celebrate Christmas in the garden, only one of them is allowed to enter the house to use the toilet, according to Belgium’s Interior Minister Annelies Verlinden.
  • …. Additionally, direct access to the garden is required, she said, adding that guests are not allowed if they have to pass through the house.
  • The only person who is allowed inside is one household’s member’s chosen close contact, with who respecting the distance or hygiene measures is not necessary. The others are not allowed to grab a drink or something to eat, or even to use the bathroom.
  • “So if you really have to go to the toilet, there will be nothing else to do but return home,”
295358 ▶▶ Tenchy, replying to godowneasy, 8, #888 of 1591 🔗

Institutional stupidity is not just a British disease, then?

295364 ▶▶▶ Liam, replying to Tenchy, 5, #889 of 1591 🔗

In some ways we’ve almost got off lightly!

295408 ▶▶▶▶ calchas, replying to Liam, 3, #890 of 1591 🔗

So far!

295447 ▶▶▶▶ Ceriain, replying to Liam, 4, #891 of 1591 🔗

Yes, Belgium is a total shitshow. 1500 deaths ( with, not of, etc ) per million; they’ve got almost as many deaths as Germany, a country with 7 times the population.
Very weird.

295500 ▶▶▶▶ maggie may, replying to Liam, 1, #892 of 1591 🔗

Let’s just hope it doesn’t give Witless some new ideas for oppression of the population…..

295361 ▶▶ maggie may, replying to godowneasy, 1, #893 of 1591 🔗

So if you put a Portaloo in the garden, could they all use it??!

295366 ▶▶▶ godowneasy, replying to maggie may, 1, #894 of 1591 🔗

Only if there was one reserved for each guest – risk of cross-contamination otherwise!

295409 ▶▶ Lisa (formerly) from Toronto, replying to godowneasy, 9, #895 of 1591 🔗

OMG, I had to laugh. I think the Belgian government consulted with my friend who has lupus when they made up these rules. We went to visit her back in July and we 1) weren’t allowed to walk through the house, 2) could only use the basement bathroom which was for guests, 3) had to wear a mask to go inside to use the bathroom (I held it in until I got home), 4) couldn’t touch anything whilst inside the house, 5) had to make our way back to the car in the dark, though her husband gave us a flashlight and met us around the front with a Lysol wipe into which we placed the flashlight. That was the first and last visit. We are still friends but haven’t seen each other since. She would probably feel like she was ahead of her time if she were to read this.

295429 ▶▶▶ leggy, replying to Lisa (formerly) from Toronto, 2, #896 of 1591 🔗

That sort of behaviour is what I could imagine to be created if one were able to use PCR on common or garden OCD.

295432 ▶▶▶ godowneasy, replying to Lisa (formerly) from Toronto, 2, #897 of 1591 🔗

That sounds terrible especially as it was back in the free and easy summer. My wife is originally from Flanders. I always thought the Belgians were pretty conformist on the whole but actually quite sensible. I have had to reconsider that. (My wife escaped as a teenager and hasn’t returned).

295526 ▶▶▶ dhpaul, replying to Lisa (formerly) from Toronto, 2, #898 of 1591 🔗

If that was me that would be one friend less I’d have.

295684 ▶▶▶ Tom in Scotland, replying to Lisa (formerly) from Toronto, 1, #899 of 1591 🔗

FFS! You are far more tolerant of eccentric friends that I am (and I thought that I put up with a lot).

At least the beer in Belgium is good – and I’m glad we can get it here, rather than travel to a country that is more dystopian than the UK to get it.

295826 ▶▶▶▶ Lisa (formerly) from Toronto, replying to Tom in Scotland, 2, #900 of 1591 🔗

We’ve been friends for over 20 year and she does have lupus, so I cut her some slack. Having said that, after the one outdoor meeting I told her I wouldn’t do that again. We text, email and speak on the phone but I won’t see her under those crazy conditions. We also stay away from touchy subjects and so far we’ve been able to stay friends.

295937 ▶▶▶▶▶ Tom in Scotland, replying to Lisa (formerly) from Toronto, #901 of 1591 🔗

That’s impressive. I have a friend who left the UK and settled in Melbourne a few years ago. He’s gone full Covidian, supports Premier ‘Chairman Dan’ Andrews, loves the masking, etc. While I can’t see any way I would visit him again, I do try to keep up an online friendship (e-mail and Skype), but it can be hard work, though not as high maintenance as what you are doing!

295425 ▶▶ leggy, replying to godowneasy, 3, #902 of 1591 🔗

Even the Nazis let you take a piss.

295479 ▶▶ annie, replying to godowneasy, 1, #903 of 1591 🔗

What if you live in a flat?
Is this Belgian witch Turdgeon in disguise?

295486 ▶▶▶ godowneasy, replying to annie, #904 of 1591 🔗

Lots of people there live in flats – they will be eating their tiny turkeys alone I’m afraid.

295480 ▶▶ Two-Six, replying to godowneasy, 2, #905 of 1591 🔗

I have an internet mate from Belgium, disappointingly way back in June he was genuinely scared of the 2nd wave. I knew then he was really bought in to the covid bollocks fairytale. I tried early on to turn him round but no joy.
Sad. Really sad.

295644 ▶▶ Sue, replying to godowneasy, 1, #906 of 1591 🔗

just go in the bushes – problem solved!

295725 ▶▶ Mrs issedoff, replying to godowneasy, 1, #907 of 1591 🔗

If any British zealots read this they will be jealous that we have it so ‘easy’ here and will be calling for restricted toilet usage within the home. I am so pissed off (as my name suggests)that even though this crap is actually laughable, I am finding it harder and harder to find humour in anything.

295353 Ceriain, replying to Ceriain, 11, #908 of 1591 🔗

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/global-health/science-and-disease/coronavirus-news-covid-vaccine-pfizer-uk-lockdown-tier/

Matt Hancock will lead a Downing Street press conference later today with NHS England’s Professor Stephen Powis and England’s chief medical officer Professor Chris Whitty.

Deep fucking joy! Get your onions ready, folks.

295374 ▶▶ Julian, replying to Ceriain, 18, #909 of 1591 🔗

It’s a trivial thing in the scheme of things but one of the most irritating aspects of this whole nonsense has been these tarts and their love of getting on the TV – absolute bloody attention whores. They are not so keen on any forum where they might face tricky questions, but they just love the telly.

295377 ▶▶ steve_w, replying to Ceriain, 7, #910 of 1591 🔗

what do you reckon? Tier 3 for London

I mean it seems out of control

https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/details/healthcare?areaType=nhsregion&areaName=London

295390 ▶▶▶ DRW, replying to steve_w, 6, #911 of 1591 🔗

The mass testing is paying off brilliantly.

295405 ▶▶▶ Ceriain, replying to steve_w, 4, #912 of 1591 🔗

I wouldn’t be surprised.

Start mass testing in 20 London boroughs; 21 boroughs see ‘cases’ go up; Government only look at ‘cases’ to decide what tier an area is in.

It’s all a setup.

295454 ▶▶▶▶ Jonathan Palmer, replying to Ceriain, 5, #913 of 1591 🔗

Template since Leicester.Why change a winning formula.If they do that in London it will be wanton destruction of what little businesses there is left seeing as on 23rd December,we can all mix freely for 5 days.

295525 ▶▶▶▶ Suitejb, replying to Ceriain, 2, #914 of 1591 🔗

Strange that. My MP told me that our rural area of S. Lincolnshire was in tier 3 because we all used the same NHS services and they were under strain. You think they’d get their stories right!

295411 ▶▶▶ Charlie Blue, replying to steve_w, 2, #915 of 1591 🔗

It would be yet another economically suicidal act but I reckon they’d do it just to try to keep the hysteria up.

295421 ▶▶▶ arfurmo, replying to steve_w, 2, #916 of 1591 🔗

Depends what Citizen Khan wants. He calls the London shots.

295439 ▶▶▶▶ Ceriain, replying to arfurmo, #917 of 1591 🔗

He’ll do what’s he’s told, if the price is right.

295440 ▶▶▶▶ alw, replying to arfurmo, 1, #918 of 1591 🔗

Citizen Khan blubbing he doesn’t want London to move to Tier 3 and asking everyone to obey rules. Parliament has to vote on tiers so we will have to wait until next Tuesday.

295457 ▶▶▶▶ Jonathan Palmer, replying to arfurmo, 1, #919 of 1591 🔗

The mayor has very little power.
He controls the police and transport,that is it.

295381 ▶▶ DRW, replying to Ceriain, 3, #920 of 1591 🔗

Party chocolate ration announcement time, yaaaaay. I expect London will go into T3.

295389 ▶▶▶ steve_w, replying to DRW, 2, #921 of 1591 🔗

I have mixed feelings about London going into Tier 3. Two lockdown fanatics I know live there

295404 ▶▶▶▶ DRW, replying to steve_w, 1, #922 of 1591 🔗

The True Believers will be celebrating but the “we’re alright Jack” crowd might be annoyed it’s in their backyard.
Not that it matters if you don’t comply, as seen in this “Tier 3” area.

295410 ▶▶▶▶ Ceriain, replying to steve_w, 6, #923 of 1591 🔗

I live in London; tier 3 will be a disaster for London. Hundreds of thousands of jobs will be lost.

The plan continues. 🙁

295417 ▶▶▶▶▶ steve_w, replying to Ceriain, 7, #924 of 1591 🔗

yes. it would be schedenfreude and I know lots of sceptics live there too.

all the tiers should just be gathered together and shoved up hancocks arse

295422 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Ceriain, replying to steve_w, 4, #925 of 1591 🔗

all the tiers should just be gathered together and shoved up hancocks arse

Amen!

295760 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ LS99, replying to steve_w, #926 of 1591 🔗

That would result in more tiers/tears!

295420 ▶▶▶▶▶ Ceriain, replying to Ceriain, 4, #927 of 1591 🔗

Edit: Actually, Tier 3 is a disaster for any area that’s been put in it.

295461 ▶▶▶▶ Jonathan Palmer, replying to steve_w, 5, #928 of 1591 🔗

I haven’t it will destroy the little income I am receiving at the moment.

295488 ▶▶▶▶ nocheesegromit, replying to steve_w, 2, #929 of 1591 🔗

Kay Burley and Beff Rigby won’t be happy

295387 ▶▶ Be Unshakeable, replying to Ceriain, 4, #930 of 1591 🔗

Fuck you WankCock.

295407 ▶▶▶ DRW, replying to Be Unshakeable, 4, #931 of 1591 🔗

And you too Dimwitty.

295452 ▶▶ Cecil B, replying to Ceriain, 2, #932 of 1591 🔗

He’s going to announce we are at war with East Asia

295453 ▶▶▶ Cecil B, replying to Cecil B, 3, #933 of 1591 🔗

Apologies I meant East Anglia

295477 ▶▶▶▶ thinkaboutit, replying to Cecil B, 2, #934 of 1591 🔗

I thought it was Oceana.

295493 ▶▶ Two-Six, replying to Ceriain, 3, #935 of 1591 🔗

Twatt Handycock will lead? Funny how fat bastard Boris hasn’t really said anything or made any kind of appearance for two weeks at least.
Will The Pig Dictator be there at this televised mind–fuck session?

295615 ▶▶▶ janis pennance, replying to Two-Six, 1, #936 of 1591 🔗

Nah he is busy selling the UK to the EU

295608 ▶▶ janis pennance, replying to Ceriain, 1, #937 of 1591 🔗

OH Blimey …i’ve got a grill pan to clean …beats them 3 doom mongers

295362 theanalyst, replying to theanalyst, 41, #938 of 1591 🔗

Just been to the local pool – once past the door all staff either maskless or with masks on chin. Looked comical. Lots of chatting and laughing in a group. Social distancing gone out of the window. Great progress in the last week.

295369 ▶▶ Julian, replying to theanalyst, 4, #939 of 1591 🔗

Where I live people are still swimming in the river, presumably in part to avoid the horror of pools

Is your pool pre-book only, limited numbers and session lengths, no showers, no butterfly?

295378 ▶▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to Julian, 5, #940 of 1591 🔗

I miss it too but been put off by similar theatre. Haven’t been to a public pool since the start of all this. No butterfly is the most insane measure of all.

Heading to a hotel this weekend which has a pool, as we come out of lockdown in my area for the first time since Oct 4th. Santa’s Grotto for the kids too. Hopefully the nonsense is at a minimum for the kids.

295392 ▶▶▶▶ Gerry Mandarin, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 2, #941 of 1591 🔗

I used to use a few lengths of butterfly to encourage slow swimmers to change lane.

295413 ▶▶▶▶▶ steve_w, replying to Gerry Mandarin, 5, #942 of 1591 🔗

I like to go into family sessions, no lanes, close my eyes and do butterfly until I hit a wall or someone. If I hit someone I stand up and rage at them for their lack of social distancing

295426 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Sarigan, replying to steve_w, 1, #943 of 1591 🔗

I like your style

295595 ▶▶▶▶▶ TJN, replying to Gerry Mandarin, #944 of 1591 🔗

Yes, usually works.

295466 ▶▶▶ annie, replying to Julian, 1, #945 of 1591 🔗

So butterfly causes Civid???

295598 ▶▶▶ TJN, replying to Julian, 2, #946 of 1591 🔗

Butterfly allowed where I swim! Otherwise your post sounds like down here.

295395 ▶▶ muzzle, replying to theanalyst, 3, #947 of 1591 🔗

I’ve been to the local pool twice which is pre-book and all the other nonsense. I also have membership to a pool in a private school in my village. That was running completely normally until lockdown, but now they’ve decided they don’t want anyone coming on site so it’s shut. I managed to take part in a triathlon during August and that was insanely normal. There was a bit of hygiene theatre but most people ignored it and carried on as normal.

295416 ▶▶ Fingerache Philip., replying to theanalyst, 1, #948 of 1591 🔗

Good to hear.

295465 ▶▶ annie, replying to theanalyst, 1, #949 of 1591 🔗

Good news, Cheers!

295414 richard riewer, replying to richard riewer, 5, #950 of 1591 🔗

PCR. So simple a child could do it. Maybe they should have done it instead of the adults.

295434 ▶▶ Saved To Death, replying to richard riewer, 2, #951 of 1591 🔗

They might have asked that dangerous question ‘Why?’

295546 ▶▶ Tiberius, replying to richard riewer, #952 of 1591 🔗

“…a child could do it.”

That’s what McCoy said when he replaced Spock’s brain.

295428 calchas, replying to calchas, 18, #953 of 1591 🔗

Ever notice how covidians prefer anecdote to data?

You’ll present reams of statistics from various countries, together with the arguments showing that it is all comparable to seasonal flu, and suddenly the covidian will conjure out of nowhere an uncle whose innards were liquified by covid, or a mother-in-laws’ cousin, who has been in an ICU for six months.

They’ll relate all of this with an air of triumph, as if everything that you have just said is invalidated by their one fourth hand experience.

295436 ▶▶ Ceriain, replying to calchas, 11, #954 of 1591 🔗

We choose truth over facts! ” – Joe Biden

295458 ▶▶ awildgoose, replying to calchas, 7, #955 of 1591 🔗

They love anecdotes because sociopaths know it is a highly effective form of emotional manipulation that is nearly guaranteed to work on normals.

295491 ▶▶ Liam, replying to calchas, 5, #956 of 1591 🔗

Complete with a bit of tactical weeping.

295501 ▶▶ Two-Six, replying to calchas, 6, #957 of 1591 🔗

yes, I have had this loads of times. Loads and loads of times. It’s the last ridout for the branch covidian, “well I know somebody who died of it” so screw you and your brainy facts….
How dare you!

295527 ▶▶ Tom Blackburn, replying to calchas, 1, #958 of 1591 🔗

Our core message has to remain, ‘yes, but how many lives have been SAVED by this nonsense?’

We aren’t saying nobody has died. Just that the rituals that come with it are pure theatre.

295551 ▶▶ Tiberius, replying to calchas, #959 of 1591 🔗

Nurses’ postings on Facebook are a corker.

295564 ▶▶ Noumenon, replying to calchas, #960 of 1591 🔗

Six degrees separation. There’s a prime-minister in every family don’t you know?

295435 Richard O, replying to Richard O, 20, #961 of 1591 🔗

Where this is going is a thousand times worse than it is now. Lockdown, distancing and masks everywhere, forever. Economic oblivion. Starvation. Mandatory vaccinations. Genocide. For anyone unfortunate enough to survive, the most miserable and complete slavery in all of human history in perpetuity.

295450 ▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to Richard O, 5, #962 of 1591 🔗

You’re in a cheerful mood today…

295455 ▶▶▶ Richard O, replying to Nick Rose, 23, #963 of 1591 🔗

It’s a paradox. The more people realise just how much trouble we’re in, the greater the chance that this can be defeated. If just one person reads that comment and it lights a fire under their ass, my job for today is done.

295462 ▶▶ calchas, replying to Richard O, 16, #964 of 1591 🔗

I am not quite in your league of pessimism Richard, but yes, I think it will get a lot worse before it gets better.

My opinion since the beginning has been that this is about somehow saving the monetary system, so I look upon this as the end of an era, rather than the beginning of something new, although yes, I do see the WEF trying to push their vision of a global dictatorship to try and retain control.

If they try to institute a global Soviet, then it will be 1988 rather than 1917, because what we are witnessing is the collapse of western statism which outlived the USSR because it tried to milk the cow rather than killing it.

The WEF and people like them are a bunch of impractical dreamers who think they can control the world and control us. They have little understanding of economy or of us, and will therefore fail, as all before have failed, although at great cost.

I think the economic oblivion you mentioned will spark the real backlash, and I think we will win.

But yes, you are right – this will get a lot worse. It will seemingly have to, in order for the fightback to begin.

We shall prevail.

295485 ▶▶▶ Richard O, replying to calchas, 19, #965 of 1591 🔗

I was prompted by this post on Twitter:

“So the day after they roll out the vaccine we are told:
-Will have to continue wearing masks into next year
-London probably go to tier 3.
-Wales cancels Christmas.

It’s getting worse.. not better.

https://twitter.com/LPerrins/status/1336708094655655936

The more people see this for what it is, the more they will be emboldened to resist.

295516 ▶▶▶▶ RickH, replying to Richard O, 4, #966 of 1591 🔗

Actually the extended wearing of masks might be a good line to pursue re.the snake oil vaccine. Keep it simple : “What’s the point – especially when the virus is sinking into background noise?”

295528 ▶▶▶ DeepBlueYonder, replying to calchas, 1, #967 of 1591 🔗

“The crisis consists precisely in the fact that the old is dying and the new cannot be born; in this interregnum a great variety of morbid symptoms appear” (Gramsci).

295540 ▶▶▶▶ calchas, replying to DeepBlueYonder, 2, #968 of 1591 🔗

Exactly.

I am not a Marxist of any stripe, but Gramsci had a great deal of insight into history.

295463 ▶▶ awildgoose, replying to Richard O, 2, #969 of 1591 🔗

The tail-end scenarios are certainly moving to the center of the distribution, aren’t they?

295508 ▶▶ Two-Six, replying to Richard O, 6, #970 of 1591 🔗

I am inclined to agree with you in my darker moments. However I have been out and about today and things look pretty much like normal, masks aside.
The weird thing is, most people seem fairly happy.
So yes it’s it’s a nighmare but perhaps it’s just “us” that feel so upset. The normies out there seem just fine.

295437 swedenborg, replying to swedenborg, 8, #971 of 1591 🔗

https://www.dropbox.com/s/05fylr5tdy4iyw6/SPAIN%20-%20Second%20Wave%20Monitoring-4Dec2020.pdf?dl=0 A very nice presentation of Spain’s  C-19 and useful graphs.Look at the age structure of deaths both in the first and in the second seasonal wave. All cause mortality under 60 a slight bulge in April but completely flat since May in the seasonal wave. Geriatric pandemic. Very interesting regional difference. Also discussion of IFR is worth reading. Recommended.

295510 ▶▶ RickH, replying to swedenborg, #972 of 1591 🔗

A good find.

295448 JamesDrebin, replying to JamesDrebin, 5, #973 of 1591 🔗

The first inaugural Thursday Caption Competition Thread is now live on the forums. Join me, won’t you? 😀

https://forums.lockdownsceptics.org/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=1361

295460 ▶▶ vargas99, replying to JamesDrebin, 5, #974 of 1591 🔗

Come on out Hancock! You’re next motherfucker!

295515 ▶▶ Two-Six, replying to JamesDrebin, 1, #975 of 1591 🔗

No way you are coming into the house Dad unless you let me do this!

295520 ▶▶ Tom Blackburn, replying to JamesDrebin, 4, #976 of 1591 🔗

He looks like he’s got Bell’s Palsy

295529 ▶▶ Be Unshakeable, replying to JamesDrebin, 2, #977 of 1591 🔗

This is what Hancock mastubates to.

295531 ▶▶ PompeyJunglist, replying to JamesDrebin, 2, #978 of 1591 🔗

John Lewis Christmas Ad. “Never knowingly undersold….”

295537 ▶▶ Waldorf, replying to JamesDrebin, 5, #979 of 1591 🔗

“What do you mean it’s only saline solution?”

295478 ▶▶ Julian, replying to nickbowes, 11, #981 of 1591 🔗

Being an unaccountable, powerful billionaire makes you cavalier about other people’s livelihoods. Who knew?

295484 ▶▶ Jonathan Palmer, replying to nickbowes, 14, #982 of 1591 🔗

The question that needs to be asked is who the fuck is Melinda Gates to be pontificating on anything.

295503 ▶▶ awildgoose, replying to nickbowes, 1, #983 of 1591 🔗

Pure slag who got lucky by opening her legs for the right male.

295614 ▶▶▶ RickH, replying to awildgoose, #984 of 1591 🔗

Not a good look for a rational sceptic. 77th Brigade are clapping.

295709 ▶▶▶ Chris John, replying to awildgoose, #985 of 1591 🔗

He’s a beta cuck like prof pantsdown

295621 ▶▶ Be Unshakeable, replying to nickbowes, 2, #986 of 1591 🔗

I seem to recall seeing a number of photos of Billy and a Mr Epstein together. I would suggest that this qualifies the Gateses to be a moral authority on exactly Fuck All.

295472 swedenborg, 9, #987 of 1591 🔗

Bell’s palsy in Pfizer vaccine. Link two references. Interesting that FDA in the US will make it a requirement to monitor Bell’s palsy in the vaccinated population.(Doubt that MHRA will do anything considering their slack start). FDA found 4 Bell’s palsy (peripher facial paralysis) in the vaccinated arm in Phase 3. That could be a possible background level but FDA’s concerns that there was not a single one in the similar sized placebo arm. Therefore they made the decision to start monitoring this side effect.(That’s my reading of the article)

https://zeenews.india.com/world/covid-19-four-pfizer-vaccine-volunteers-develop-bells-palsy-read-details-here-2329924.html

 https://www.rt.com/usa/509081-pfizer-vaccine-fda-bells-palsy-covid/

295487 JHuntz, replying to JHuntz, 17, #988 of 1591 🔗

Stickered the local park and a couple of bus stops. 8 down 120 to go. Officially part of the resistance.

295517 ▶▶ DRW, replying to JHuntz, 4, #989 of 1591 🔗

Nice one J! I’m also doing card drops in strategic locations.

295524 ▶▶▶ JHuntz, replying to DRW, 7, #990 of 1591 🔗

Good stuff. The government caught a lot of us off guard but this must be happening throughout the country now. We’re getting organised slowly but surely. Fuck em!

295676 ▶▶▶ Tom in Scotland, replying to DRW, 1, #991 of 1591 🔗

Thanks to both of you – fight the good fight!

295494 godowneasy, replying to godowneasy, 7, #992 of 1591 🔗

Let’s not be down-hearted – it isn’t over yet……………

295497 ▶▶ Tenchy, replying to godowneasy, 1, #993 of 1591 🔗

It will be their darkest day, if they ever do make such a declaration! They are loving it!

295506 ▶▶▶ godowneasy, replying to Tenchy, #994 of 1591 🔗

Not sure about that – in my dark mind the word “everything” means “life as we know it”.

295498 awildgoose, replying to awildgoose, 2, #995 of 1591 🔗

Just one more example of pure emotional manipulation and gaslighting:

https://twitter.com/JackPosobiec/status/1337066136077291521?s=19

295557 ▶▶ Noumenon, replying to awildgoose, 5, #996 of 1591 🔗

The thing about these arguments is that in actual fact they prove how insignificant events like 9/11 actually were, not how significant deaths from illness are.

Seriously, people need to start living their lives again and stop being cajoled by special interest groups since about 1914.

295504 nocheesegromit, replying to nocheesegromit, 12, #997 of 1591 🔗

New levels of madness at the uni library (yes I am still on campus despite what the government say, haven’t had a test and am visiting my boyfriend’s family before the Christmas window – shock horror). Staff at the entrance now wearing masks behind a perspex screen?! What must they think when they visit Aldi or Lidl with their maskless staff?

Still staggered at the number of students fully masked inside despite not being within about 10m of anyone else.

Am thinking of stickering up the library since it’s the only place on campus where there’s any sight of other people. Does anyone have a link to some stickers I could purchase?

295514 ▶▶ Tom Blackburn, replying to nocheesegromit, 6, #998 of 1591 🔗

eBay – custom stickers. The lamp posts near me are covered in them 👀

295521 ▶▶ JHuntz, replying to nocheesegromit, 2, #999 of 1591 🔗

I got them made custom on vista. Was about £40 for 128. If anyone knows anywhere cheaper im all ears.

295541 ▶▶ DRW, replying to nocheesegromit, 4, #1000 of 1591 🔗

I use homemade ones myself. I also leave cards as some Nazi resisters did.

295555 ▶▶ nocheesegromit, replying to nocheesegromit, 4, #1001 of 1591 🔗

Thanks all!

295574 ▶▶ Mabel Cow, replying to nocheesegromit, 3, #1002 of 1591 🔗

Help yourself to my images , if any work for you. You should be able to just upload them to some online print shop or other.

Happy to knock up custom stuff if you have a particular message you want to push.

295617 ▶▶ Marialta, replying to nocheesegromit, 1, #1003 of 1591 🔗

https://my-sgf.co.uk/

I use these ‘Back to Normal’ cards you can order them free from the above website. I ordered 250. Every day I insert them in strategic places where I think people will pick up and read e.g. swimming pool changing cubicles, on newspaper or greeting cards racks in stationers shop, on shop shelves, propped up here and there. At least I feel I’m spreading the word. They promote the Great Barrington Declaration as an alternative to lockdowns. Would be good for your library?

295505 Andrew K, replying to Andrew K, 14, #1004 of 1591 🔗

Earlier today somebody posted that they got banned from the mumsnet discussion boards because of being anti lockdown. Anyway I suggested we all register and start posting facts about covid as those boards are the exact opposite of what we discuss here. They are all Covid Zealots with a capital Z. I registered (50 year old man hehehe) as Flirty Bessie and started this discussion thread

https://www.mumsnet.com/Talk/coronavirus/4102973-Covid-Vaccine-before-starting-a-family-or-not ?

Boy within 5 minutes have had a load of pro vaccine replies. I need YOUR HELP . We are preaching to the converted here, we need to save some lost sheep, please help me by registering and bombarding them with facts. I can’t do it alone.

295509 ▶▶ Tom Blackburn, replying to Andrew K, 10, #1005 of 1591 🔗

Fuck em. Not worth your energy.

295513 ▶▶ thinkaboutit, replying to Andrew K, 14, #1006 of 1591 🔗

Don’t bother with facts. Go for emotional invented anecdote, that’s what they do.

295522 ▶▶▶ awildgoose, replying to thinkaboutit, 5, #1007 of 1591 🔗

Precisely.

Fight fire with fire.

295533 ▶▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to thinkaboutit, 9, #1008 of 1591 🔗

This is the strategy. Throw in a made up story about having gone through some trauma that has led to your cautious attitude.

Show them Mike Yeadons piece on the vaccine. Be interesting to see if they’d heard of him. The fact he is ex Pfzier does carry weight. If they have heard of him they’ll call him a conspiracy theorist.

295571 ▶▶▶▶ Andrew K, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 2, #1009 of 1591 🔗

Ok I’ve posted the link to the government own website that states they don’t know about fertilty issues with the vaccine also thrown in Mike Yeadons Technical bit about fertility. That’s it that’s be banned from mumsnet, probably!

295518 ▶▶ Be Unshakeable, replying to Andrew K, 12, #1010 of 1591 🔗

Meh. Arguing on the internet is like competing in the special olympics. Even if you win, you’re still retarded.

295544 ▶▶ DRW, replying to Andrew K, 2, #1011 of 1591 🔗

Nice baiting work but if they’re all True Believers nothing will convince them otherwise.

295558 ▶▶ Julian, replying to Andrew K, 5, #1012 of 1591 🔗

Very sad to see the post about delaying starting a family because of the possible impending economic doom

To the person who said not to listen to misinformation, you can tell them you are simply quoting what Pfizer themselves said

295599 ▶▶▶ RickH, replying to Julian, 4, #1013 of 1591 🔗

I dunno – perhaps an indeterminate delay in starting a family by someone like this might have a social benefit.

295605 ▶▶▶▶ Julian, replying to RickH, #1014 of 1591 🔗

Careful, someone might accuse you of being a eugenicist 🙂

295569 ▶▶ Mabel Cow, replying to Andrew K, 11, #1015 of 1591 🔗

Ask them for recommendations for which mask to use for your newborn baby.

Then a few days later, post again saying that your child is acting strange and going a bit blue. “Could it be the mask?”

Heh heh heh.

295573 ▶▶ Noumenon, replying to Andrew K, 2, #1016 of 1591 🔗

The problem with stooping to misinformation tactics is in a sense it justifies the war on misinformation. Swings and roundabouts…

Sticking to facts is probably best.

295941 ▶▶▶ CGL, replying to Noumenon, #1017 of 1591 🔗

Trouble is they wouldn’t know a fact if you shoved it up their nose

295576 ▶▶ Just about sane, replying to Andrew K, 11, #1018 of 1591 🔗

Don’t waste your time. Someone started a discussion with this question ” anyone else disappointed that Christmas hasn’t been cancelled ” and the amount of answers saying yes, disappointed me. These are supposed to be mums, well I pity their poor children, they’re parents are irrational cowards.
I’m 60 and I’m the gran with 5 grandchildren and no one but no one is stopping me from seeing them at any time, never mind Christmas. When did the younger generation become bigger wimps than me.

295597 ▶▶▶ Andrew K, replying to Just about sane, 5, #1019 of 1591 🔗

You’re right I am wasting my time, but let’s say we are right and that all this is a sinister plan for who knows what! I would’ve like to think I did my part in trying to stop this. Anyway I hope you have a lovely Christmas with your 5 grandchildren.

295735 ▶▶▶▶ Stringfellow Hawke, replying to Andrew K, 2, #1020 of 1591 🔗

There certainly is a concerted effort to get people – especially children – used to an online existence, not an offline one. Very early on this year, tech companies were looking to pounce, selling VR kits, telling people not to have online friends, and even raised the possibility of robot companions to take the place of traditional human dating & relationships.

See how far you can take this: “I can’t believe we have to see these rotten humans at Christmas. My child isn’t going near any virus-laden humans. It’s online only for me! My child isn’t socializing with anybody else… if I had my way, my child only is going to have virtual reality friends now! no offline contact! anyone know the best places to buy a virtual friend?”
If the child is slightly older, eg teenage: “No they are not seeing their boyfriend/girlfriend…never… our children’s future is robot companions.. no way my child is going to meet other virus-laden humans…” 🙂

295939 ▶▶ CGL, replying to Andrew K, #1021 of 1591 🔗

Nice try but they are the worst. Just look at them! Godawful people.

295512 Les Tricoteuses, replying to Les Tricoteuses, 39, #1022 of 1591 🔗

If you’re feeling as low as me maybe skip this post..

Having one of my bad days today where trying to stay positive is difficult as is concentrating at work. Having a quick chat with people can help, but not this time.

A chap I know in his mid twenties, recently married etc, who I would consider a decent rational bloke mentioned track and trace as we’ve had a couple of people who have had to self isolate recently. I said no way I’d have it and said he was mad to, to which he replied he thought it was a good thing that the government knew where we were all the time. I must have looked blank because he went on to tell me it was safer, along with all the CCTV and APNR on the roads.
At this point I wanted to scream
“You fascist ****, I expect you’ll be first in line for a job taking people to camps if they tell you to”
I realise this wouldn’t help so just walked off, unable to form any counter argument, my mind reeling. God knows what future he’s looking forward to but I don’t want to live there.

295519 ▶▶ awildgoose, replying to Les Tricoteuses, 19, #1023 of 1591 🔗

The young man sounds equally qualified to be a boxcar conductor or shower valve operator.

295523 ▶▶ Two-Six, replying to Les Tricoteuses, 22, #1024 of 1591 🔗

Young people think like this because they have never been screwed over by the authorities.

295532 ▶▶▶ Tenchy, replying to Two-Six, 8, #1025 of 1591 🔗

Not yet, anyway.

295538 ▶▶ nocheesegromit, replying to Les Tricoteuses, 12, #1026 of 1591 🔗

Direct him to a copy of 1984

295543 ▶▶ Noumenon, replying to Les Tricoteuses, 7, #1027 of 1591 🔗

The problem with systems is s*** in s*** out. With his mentality being so common and being fostered as normal the whole machine is doomed to failure. With people like that in charge the whole control mechanism will, over time, become so controlling, so all encompassing, and so navel gazing that in essence it eats itself up and loses any sense of development outside of its own limited imagination. The problem is that it can take a long time and take a lot of people with it.

295552 ▶▶ Julian, replying to Les Tricoteuses, 20, #1028 of 1591 🔗

A colleague thinks he has the virus – his son tested positive

He has quite bad symptoms, so he probably does have it

So he’s going to get a test – why? Surely he should stay in bed, get plenty of rest and liquids?

This is the madness that people have been driven to

295566 ▶▶▶ Fingerache Philip., replying to Julian, 9, #1029 of 1591 🔗

Couldn’t agree more, what next; testing for the common cold?

295589 ▶▶▶ RickH, replying to Julian, 4, #1030 of 1591 🔗

An honest government would be investigating and recommending sensible prophylactic treatment for the few who might be starting with genuine Covid, whilst emphasizing the need for self-isolation for a period.

295742 ▶▶▶▶ Iansn, replying to RickH, #1031 of 1591 🔗

is that like a once a month self-isolation 😉

295553 ▶▶ DRW, replying to Les Tricoteuses, 11, #1032 of 1591 🔗

Some people are just lost causes. Don’t let them get to you, I go to sleep thinking about all the good people out there.

295560 ▶▶ Margaret, replying to Les Tricoteuses, 22, #1033 of 1591 🔗

Not a good day for me either. I learned in a phone conversation with my dear friend that a mutual friend and her partner have not been outside their village since March and another friend of my friend has not been in a shop since March.

Why does this make me depressed? These people are widely travelled (and have stayed in some dodgy places all over the world) they are far more adventurous than me. I regarded them as highly intelligent and well read AND they have probably been well vaccinated because of their travels and yet this virus has made them a prisoner in their own village.

Unbelievable.

295672 ▶▶▶ FenTyger, replying to Margaret, 7, #1034 of 1591 🔗

May not be the case. I have not been in a shop since March (couple of pubs though). I honestly would throw a wobbly if surrounded by a vast amount of muzzles so I avoid it at all costs. Don’t think I’m not royally pissed off with the fat goon in No 10 and his gormless mates.

295618 ▶▶ Be Unshakeable, replying to Les Tricoteuses, 4, #1035 of 1591 🔗

“Give me convenience or give me death.”

295628 ▶▶▶ Mabel Cow, replying to Be Unshakeable, #1036 of 1591 🔗

One of my favourite albums.

295656 ▶▶ Les Tricoteuses, replying to Les Tricoteuses, 3, #1037 of 1591 🔗

Thanks for the replies, feel better knowing there are sane people out there.

295822 ▶▶ Ben, replying to Les Tricoteuses, 6, #1038 of 1591 🔗

Counter argument:

A virus so deadly you have to be tested to see if you have it or not

And if a test result comes back positive the treatment is staying home for two weeks

Watch their faces go blank

295534 NorthumbrianNomad, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, 48, #1039 of 1591 🔗

There is increasing secondary noise about moving London into Tier 3 (because the commentariat only cares about London) so let’s return to the key point.

COVID IS UNIMPORTANT. IF THE HEALTH SERVICE WAS PROPERLY ORGANISED AND THE GOVERNMENT HAD THE COURAGE, it wouldn’t need to be a thing any more than the pandemics in 57 and 68. Politicians: Abolish the tiers. Abolish all restrictions, inform people accurately and let them look after themselves. Do YOUR JOB, which is to facilitate economic, social and cultural activity. Mostly by leaving people the fuck alone.

295548 ▶▶ Julian, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, 18, #1040 of 1591 🔗

IF THE HEALTH SERVICE WAS PROPERLY ORGANISED”

And if people had a more rational approach to considering the proper place of healthcare in our world

Of course the NHS has been a political issue since it started, but the debate about it has become heated to the point where we have done it far more harm than good in the name of protecting it, and of course the country in general

It will never be able to meet demand

If people want more or better care then one way or another it needs to be paid for

If we’re worried about spikes in demand because of seasonal new/viruses then let’s build more slack into the system, and be prepared to pay for it

But doing what we have done is utterly irrational

295554 ▶▶▶ NorthumbrianNomad, replying to Julian, 21, #1041 of 1591 🔗

It is indeed. It has become a cult that the Aztecs would have found a bit over the top. The absurdity of having a health service that you have to protect by applauding it and not using it seems to pass most people by.

295862 ▶▶▶▶ Cranmer, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, 4, #1042 of 1591 🔗

I believe we are in one of those episodes of long-lasting global mass hysteria, such as that experienced during the Great War. Just like then, I think this episode will take several years to run its ‘hot’ stage, and then will cool into cultural, social and political changes that will be with us for decades.

295926 ▶▶▶▶▶ CGL, replying to Cranmer, #1043 of 1591 🔗

Please don’t say things like that

296024 ▶▶▶▶▶ David Grimbleby, replying to Cranmer, #1044 of 1591 🔗

We are in the Ascending Kali Yuga or Iron Age till 2025, then a transitional period of 300 years till an Ascending Dwapara or Bronze Age for 2700 years , so don’t worry !

296028 ▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Julian, #1045 of 1591 🔗

While I’d never claim it was a paragon of efficiency, they have been depiberately undermining the NHS so they can sell it off cheap, just like they did with British Rail.

Problem – systematically shut down the healthcare system.

Reaction – after dePIffle spent most of his election campaign assuring us the NHS was not for sale, the public will scream for it to be replaced.

Solution – let the chumocracy provide a self-serving for-profit system that only benefits those who can afford to pay for decent treatment.

295590 ▶▶ Leemc23, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, 12, #1046 of 1591 🔗

Quite apart from saving the NHS. The NHS is the very reason this country is in tatters. Protecting something that is knowingly badly managed and chronically and dangerously populated by far too many self interested bureaucrats. A system so good no other country on earth has copied it.

Bang the Pots? I’d rather bang my head on the wall.

295609 ▶▶▶ NorthumbrianNomad, replying to Leemc23, 8, #1047 of 1591 🔗

A system so good no other country on earth has copied it.” Well said. As I understand it, it was supposed to be financed by National Insurance, which was a feeble and dishonest imitation of the German system introduced by Bismarck and still essentially functioning the same way as a public-private partnership today. But it doesn’t work and never did, and EVERYONE knows that NI is just a way of making income tax look less than it is.

295545 p02099003, replying to p02099003, 7, #1048 of 1591 🔗

They are still plugging the asymptomatic transmission of the virus, hands face mask and open windows to blow the covid19 particles away.
“covid19 particles”, other than there is one error in each of the words in the statement it’s perfectly correct.

295583 ▶▶ Leemc23, replying to p02099003, 7, #1049 of 1591 🔗

Piss take is it not ? How much pollution causing particles are in your air. How much rubbish you breathe in give you concern of lung cancer ?

Ignore that. It’s all about the COVID baby.

This is idiotic.

295549 Andrew K, replying to Andrew K, 13, #1050 of 1591 🔗

I see that factcheckers have debunked Mike Yeadon

https://www.politifact.com/factchecks/2020/dec/02/blog-posting/former-pfizer-employee-wrong-coronavirus-pandemic-/

Their argument is Mike Yeadon hasn’t worked for pfizer for 9 years and that cases are up. Ignoring the evidence of PCR testing errors.

295561 ▶▶ Victoria, replying to Andrew K, 20, #1051 of 1591 🔗

That is possibly a good thing – Dr Fuellmich’s team is suing fact checkers on a defamation charge in that they fact checked Dr Wodarg

295585 ▶▶▶ thinkaboutit, replying to Victoria, 4, #1052 of 1591 🔗

They need suing if one has the capacity to do so.

295578 ▶▶ Leemc23, replying to Andrew K, 5, #1053 of 1591 🔗

But even the Government admitted in June that the PCR was flawed. That’s why they published the report that said 2.3% false but likely higher. What Mike Yeadon said is just what HMG admitted. How odd to discredit him.

295587 ▶▶ Lockdown_Lunacy, replying to Andrew K, 3, #1054 of 1591 🔗

The prefix ‘politi’ before fact tells me all I need to know.

295701 ▶▶ Coronabonus, replying to Andrew K, 2, #1055 of 1591 🔗

“Former Pfizer employee”!

What a twat.

296010 ▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Coronabonus, #1056 of 1591 🔗

Like Piers Corbyn is a weather forecaster!

295559 Cheshirecatslave, replying to Cheshirecatslave, 51, #1057 of 1591 🔗

I went to help decorate the church for Christmas today. Everyone behaved completely normally, no masks or jumping backwards. I was even given a cup of tea( forbidden at services. The small group were mostly elderly so either we’ll all keel over by Christmas or it proves we don’t need masks and a ban on cups of tea! One younger man was saying how we are governed by complete idiots. I said the PM couldn’t even run a whelk stall and he enthusiastically agreed.

295563 ▶▶ Two-Six, replying to Cheshirecatslave, 13, #1058 of 1591 🔗

This is encouraging!
Phew.

295567 ▶▶▶ RickH, replying to Two-Six, 20, #1059 of 1591 🔗

Yes. I think plugging away like this in simple ways, reinforcing sensible behaviour,and not lecturing, is the best way to go. We need to enlist allies rather than get antagonists to dig in.

295581 ▶▶▶▶ thinkaboutit, replying to RickH, 3, #1060 of 1591 🔗

Sorry, finger twitch, downvoted then upvoted. I need to drink less coffee.

295668 ▶▶▶▶▶ Denham boy, replying to thinkaboutit, 5, #1061 of 1591 🔗

In our Diocese the guidance is not to distribute printed material. So no monthly magazines or the usual card with details of the Christmas services to every house in the parish. Obviously seen as much more deadly than the daily deliveries of newspapers and letters!

295853 ▶▶ Cranmer, replying to Cheshirecatslave, 6, #1062 of 1591 🔗

Well done. I personally have given up going to church, as I refuse to sit in the house of God while being made to treat my neighbour as a leper.

295565 arfurmo, replying to arfurmo, 10, #1063 of 1591 🔗

DM reporting “ The Department of Health today announced another 20,694 infections from across the UK, with 516 more deaths.” .Leaving aside infections/positive tests/false positives where on earth are they coming from? I still don’t know anyone who has tested positive and I know people in several places in the UK

295570 ▶▶ NorthumbrianNomad, replying to arfurmo, 10, #1064 of 1591 🔗

According to my quick calculation, the terrifying figure of 516 deaths equates to 0.000008% of the population. So eight out of every million. Eight people in Birmingham. I’d say more than eight people die in Birmingham every day. That’s why it’s invisible unless you’re unlucky enough to be personally involved. The figures are deliberately quoted raw in order to terrify people.

295577 ▶▶ Richard O, replying to arfurmo, 7, #1065 of 1591 🔗

Presumably these are the numbers reported today, which have been collated from previous days. The deaths will be with a positive test in the last 28 days. The infections will be positive PCR test results at 45 cycles. In other words, on the balance of probability there were no cases and no deaths today. Scary stuff.

295592 ▶▶▶ NorthumbrianNomad, replying to Richard O, 8, #1066 of 1591 🔗

At 45 cycles, even the strongest-minded sample would be screaming “I confess!”

295603 ▶▶▶ DavidC, replying to Richard O, 4, #1067 of 1591 🔗

Anthony Fauci, July 2020 “Anything over 35 cycles is basically detecting dead nucleotides”

DavidC

295659 ▶▶ FlynnQuill, replying to arfurmo, 9, #1068 of 1591 🔗

I’ve been asking the same question. Who are the thousands eveyday that are bieng tested? In the Sunderland area i drive past two of them most days. I’ve never seen anybody there. We only have the governments word for these figures. Do you think they may just be telling Porky Pies?

295711 ▶▶ Sarigan, replying to arfurmo, 2, #1069 of 1591 🔗

Total number of UK tests to date? 43,957,226

I still only know people who needed it to travel who have taken a test.

Source: https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/details/testing

295825 ▶▶▶ Janette, replying to Sarigan, 1, #1070 of 1591 🔗

What an absolute waste of money assuming that the majority of these people never had symptoms in any event!

296034 ▶▶ Hypatia, replying to arfurmo, 1, #1071 of 1591 🔗

I know of only one person who has allegedly had it. This was in June. He had flu like symptoms, and tested positive, but was not hospitalised, and not even prescribed anythng. His wife looked after him at home. They are both over 70. She has never tested positive for it, despite claims of this being so infectious. Apart from them, I have heard of no-one else. Neither has anyone else I know. Mysterious. Where are all the people keeling over? All the positive tests and “cases”?
You don’t think that somebody could be fibbing, do you?

295568 Inlakesh, 5, #1072 of 1591 🔗

Kary Mullis – inventor of PCR, who stated it should never be used as a diagnostic tool – on Anthony Fauci et al: https://is.gd/JgJEu8

295572 BeBopRockSteady, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 14, #1073 of 1591 🔗

This is how I see the Health Ministers daily update

295575 ▶▶ theanalyst, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 3, #1074 of 1591 🔗

Thanks for that – made me chuckle.

295675 ▶▶ AN other lockdown sceptic, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 4, #1075 of 1591 🔗

Me too – excellent light relief. Thank you.

295579 Cheshirecatslave, replying to Cheshirecatslave, 3, #1076 of 1591 🔗

BBC claiming areas in the USA mandating masks had the sharpest fall in cases. I wonder if the peak had already been reached and was declining naturally I believe that happened in NY?
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/55216518

295601 ▶▶ Leemc23, replying to Cheshirecatslave, 8, #1077 of 1591 🔗

BBC might want to spend sometime on this. Rather than be so positive about masks.

DOES NO ONE STOP TO THINK THAT THERE IS NO SET STANDARD FOR MASKS ? It’s impossible to verify anything when someone has their old tights on their head and another person has their knickers on their face. It’s insanity.

https://img1.wsimg.com/blobby/go/ee2b1b8c-cfee-4d2e-aa2b-4d5b03c510fd/WHO-2019-nCov-IPC_Masks-2020.4-eng.pdf

295670 ▶▶▶ Cheshirecatslave, replying to Leemc23, 6, #1078 of 1591 🔗

I note they didn’t mention positive tests sharply increased in the UK after masks were mandated.

295624 ▶▶ Dave Angel Eco Warrier, replying to Cheshirecatslave, 13, #1079 of 1591 🔗

I don’t suppose the BBC are as keen to point out that cases began to rise in th UK and other European countries AFTER mandatory mask wearing came in.

295674 ▶▶▶ Cheshirecatslave, replying to Dave Angel Eco Warrier, 4, #1080 of 1591 🔗

Exactly! Look at Spain for example, you can not leave home without one and their cases are soaring.

295671 ▶▶ AN other lockdown sceptic, replying to Cheshirecatslave, 3, #1081 of 1591 🔗

I thought BBC comedy was a thing of the distant past. Must have been mistaken.

296003 ▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to AN other lockdown sceptic, #1082 of 1591 🔗

It’s very [that colour that must not be named] comedy nowdays.

295582 p02099003, replying to p02099003, #1083 of 1591 🔗

“Hancock says there will be 10 more locations in England offering vaccines soon and from next week they will be available form GP sites and care homes.
“We will keep on expanding to reach more and more people,” he adds.
Next year, vaccination centres will be opened in sports centres and conference halls.
And when the time comes the NHS will get in touch with you to come forward.
When enough people are vaccinated and we see the figures coming down, we can start removing restrictions that have made this year so tough,” says Hancock.”

295584 ▶▶ Richard O, replying to p02099003, 17, #1084 of 1591 🔗

He’s lying. Pay no attention. Rest assured that he will be thrown under the bus with the rest of us in 2021.

295606 ▶▶ DRW, replying to p02099003, 7, #1085 of 1591 🔗

How many is “enough” Wankcock?

295613 ▶▶▶ Richard O, replying to DRW, 10, #1086 of 1591 🔗

67 million. And the “figures coming down” he refers to is population, not Covid.

295629 ▶▶ Be Unshakeable, replying to p02099003, 9, #1087 of 1591 🔗

And there it is, Hancock setting the stage for the ‘blame the anti-vaxxers’ campaign. Hahahahaha. Predictable little toerag.

295810 ▶▶ Noumenon, replying to p02099003, 4, #1088 of 1591 🔗

“When enough people are vaccinated and we see the figures coming down, we can start removing restrictions…”

That right there is the groundwork for starting on mandatory or coerced vaccines next year. He’s clearly put the ball in the court of the people. It’ll be their fault, just like with not following rules.

295814 ▶▶ A. Contrarian, replying to p02099003, 3, #1089 of 1591 🔗

What if the figures don’t come down? What then?

295848 ▶▶▶ Cranmer, replying to A. Contrarian, 1, #1090 of 1591 🔗

Then we wait for the new, improved vaccine – coming soon! Rinse and repeat.

296001 ▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to A. Contrarian, 1, #1091 of 1591 🔗

They will. They invent them already anyway.

295860 ▶▶ Lili, replying to p02099003, 2, #1092 of 1591 🔗

They won’t be getting in touch with me. They don’t have my details.

295586 Will, replying to Will, 3, #1093 of 1591 🔗

Someone posted a figure on here of 379 deaths under a certain age without comorbidities, was it under 50 or under 60.

295593 ▶▶ Tyneside Tigress, replying to Will, 5, #1094 of 1591 🔗

I think it is 60.

295638 ▶▶▶ calchas, replying to Tyneside Tigress, 5, #1095 of 1591 🔗

Bear in mind that these probably include quite a few wizthundiagnosed comorbidities.

295757 ▶▶ Ceriain, replying to Will, #1096 of 1591 🔗

Data up till 4pm, December 9th 2020. Note: English hospital deaths only.

295588 Darryl, 10, #1097 of 1591 🔗

This guy seems to be public enemy number one in Canada now, good for him! –

Kyle Kemper is the half brother of Canada’s prime minister Justin Trudeau and he has recently been exposing the Covid-19(84) authoritarian take over as an attempt for a “global corporatocracy”.
https://www.bitchute.com/video/naCDrjsmlsmI/

295591 Nick Rose, replying to Nick Rose, 8, #1098 of 1591 🔗

Statistics Guy just starting his thread now:

https://twitter.com/Stat_O_Guy/status/1337081255712722945

What do we learn from NHS England Data. In this thread we will look at how the lost GP appointments are having a direct impact on Cancer identification and then GP Referrals. Essentially over 300,000 people are likely to be walking around unaware of their cancer!

295612 ▶▶ alw, replying to Nick Rose, 7, #1099 of 1591 🔗

And this from the tweet.

295819 ▶▶▶ Janette, replying to alw, 2, #1100 of 1591 🔗

Absolutely shocking. I cannot understand how the government are getting away with this!!!

295596 Harry hopkins, replying to Harry hopkins, 33, #1101 of 1591 🔗

First hand vaccine trial.

I’ve befriended my 87 year old neighbour since his wife died early this year. I see or speak to him every day and I am first responder on his wrist alarm. He is a tough old bird and is fit and active but does have some health problems associated with age. He has a daughter but she lives sixty miles away and sees him only occasionally. Perhaps I shouldn’t say this but to be honest she’s a waste of space when it comes to caring for her father.
With regard to ‘the virus’ he’s a sceptic and really doesn’t give two figs about social distancing although he does wear a mask when shopping ‘because everybody else does’. From the start of this scamdemic he has come into my house and I in his. I’m the only person on our small estate who bothers with him and treats him in the old normal way.

He was in my house today having a coffee and jubilantly announced that he had had a phone call from the doctors’ surgery and that he had fixed an appointment to have his ‘vaccine’ next Thursday. He is on the list of early recipients. ‘What do you think Harry, are you having the jab?’ he asked me.
I was somewhat stunned at this news and was not sure how best to respond but eventually I said that no, neither me or Mrs Hopkins would be having it. I could see that he was taken aback by this as he always listens to me and takes my advice, clearly this was a watershed moment. ‘Well, Sharon (his daughter) says I have to have it and it’s free so I’m having it’.

I’ve clashed with Sharon before when I suggested that she could consider taking her dad to stay with her for holidays but she has an active social life (even during lockdown!) and doesn’t want an old man cramping her style. Never the less she is my neighbour’s daughter and she’s all the family he’s got and he cuts her a lot of slack for fear of not seeing her at all.

He’s too old to be on the receiving end of the full sceptic argument of which I’m only too happy to deliver to the right audience. Also, he’s not my kith and kin and it’s not my place to come between him and his daughter so I replied that it was up to him and that he should consider his daughters admonitions but neither me nor Mrs Hopkins would be having it. I could see he was uncomfortable and I then changed the subject post haste.

Later on when I told my nearest and dearest what had transpired she was horrified as she is just as sceptical as I am. ‘Are you going to leave it like that’ she said ’he’s a fit and well near ninety year old, why should he risk an unproven vaccine when there’s no need?….Indeed.

But I’m not going to pursue it any further. He’s made his decision, he knows where I stand, he has free will and his daughter has told him to have it. My wife and I will be in pole position to see just what side effects, illnesses, repercussions or whatever he then has or does not have. I dearly hope it is the latter but no doubt we shall see soon enough.

295604 ▶▶ alw, replying to Harry hopkins, 17, #1102 of 1591 🔗

Unfortunately there are many elderly people whose relatives don’t care a fig. They are the first ones queueing up for the money when their parents die. Disgusting. As long as your neighbour has capacity there’s not much you can do but thank you for caring

295619 ▶▶ Hieronimusb, replying to Harry hopkins, 19, #1103 of 1591 🔗

Sometimes you just have to stand back and let self-determination take its course. Much credit to you for your caring attitude, he’s lucky to have you as neighbours and no doubt he knows it and is very grateful. Hopefully he won’t suffer any serious ADRs.

295663 ▶▶ RickH, replying to Harry hopkins, 14, #1104 of 1591 🔗

Harry – I admire your caring sensitivity and thoughtfulness. Sometimes there is no perfect solution.

You are absolutely right in your approach – in all ways.

295600 Paul, replying to Paul, 9, #1105 of 1591 🔗

My wife heard the woman in front of her in the queue in the pharmacy say this today,

‘I had several holidays booked this year and they were all cancelled,I’m so fed up,I will be really glad when I can have the vaccine and get a document that proves that I am safe to travel’.

295607 ▶▶ Mabel Cow, replying to Paul, 12, #1106 of 1591 🔗

I had the same from my hairdresser.

He seems to think that the vaccine is his ticket back to normality. Yeah, like it’s normal to wear a mask all the time everywhere you go when you’re on holiday in Tenerife.

295610 ▶▶ Dave Angel Eco Warrier, replying to Paul, 9, #1107 of 1591 🔗

Given that it is still not known whether a vaccinated person can still pass coronavirus on, she might well be out luck on that score as well.

295630 ▶▶ awildgoose, replying to Paul, 12, #1108 of 1591 🔗

Yes, so wonderful.

Our freedom has been taken and little bits will be sold back to us at exorbitant prices.

Just lovely.

295772 ▶▶▶ George L, replying to awildgoose, 9, #1109 of 1591 🔗

At this very moment the exact same narrative is playing out in place. Promise a little, then threaten a little, then put the boot back on the face of humanity and squeeze a little more.. All in Lock-Step of course..

295773 ▶▶▶▶ George L, replying to George L, 1, #1110 of 1591 🔗

Meant to say.. in France

295799 ▶▶▶▶▶ annie, replying to George L, 3, #1111 of 1591 🔗

Doesn’t matter where, they’re all the same totalitarian trash.

295979 ▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Paul, #1112 of 1591 🔗

Groan!

295602 awildgoose, 5, #1113 of 1591 🔗

You Tuber Highimpact TV breaks down US’ evening news hardcore shilling for the jab:

https://youtu.be/4L7jEjdAWsw

They’re not even trying to hide it.

Utterly sickening.

295611 p02099003, replying to p02099003, 16, #1114 of 1591 🔗

Further Hancock:
“He says the fastest rise is among secondary school-age children, noting that the rate among adults is “broadly flat”.
He says we must do “everything we can to stop the spread among school-age children in London”, and we must not wait until the review on 16 December.
Hancock says ministers have “ decided to put in place an immediate plan for testing all secondary school-age children in the seven worst affected boroughs of London, in parts of Essex that border London, and parts of Kent “.
They will get mobile testing units, and the health secretary has urged children aged between 11 and 18 and their families to get tested in the coming days.”
This is guaranteed to increase cases.

295622 ▶▶ alw, replying to p02099003, 14, #1115 of 1591 🔗

Under 16’s cannot be tested without their parent’s consent. In any event look what happened when Cambridge tested all their students. None were found to have the virus. Just a pointless exercise testing teenagers who don’t spread the virus. More taxpayers money wasted.

295627 ▶▶▶ p02099003, replying to alw, 12, #1116 of 1591 🔗

Absolutely. The number of cases will drop if you stop testing.

295973 ▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to alw, #1117 of 1591 🔗

Teenagers are very susceptible to infections. I had lots of strep throats and bad colds throughout my grammar school days. My kids were embarrassingly healthy throughout primary school but less so during their teens.

295623 ▶▶ Anothersceptic2, replying to p02099003, 15, #1118 of 1591 🔗

Parents need to say no to any testing.

295910 ▶▶▶ Sodastream, replying to Anothersceptic2, 1, #1119 of 1591 🔗

But most parents will say yes I expect.
I have children at secondary and primary schools and on a weekly basis there is at least one child (minimum)-at both schools that have had a positive test resulting in the whole ‘bubble’ being sent home to isolate for 14 days.
I really despair. Who would subject a child to that? Especially as no treatment is required in a positive result.. I could understand a test if it means a specific antibiotic or something is needed..
I find most people actually revel in all of this. There’s no way my children will be tested..

295625 ▶▶ Ricky R, replying to p02099003, 10, #1120 of 1591 🔗

Bumping up the positive cases to use as evidence for secondary schools and colleges to remain shut after Christmas as well like we’re seeing in Wales.

295626 ▶▶ Leemc23, replying to p02099003, 17, #1121 of 1591 🔗

And how many thousands of families then get banged up over Christmas due to false positives ? Fuck Right Off Hancock. Prick. ( oh I wish he could hear me )

Anyone want to bet on schools reopening after Christmas ?

295796 ▶▶▶ annie, replying to Leemc23, 4, #1122 of 1591 🔗

Well, it isn’t as if children had a right to education, or any nonsense of that sort.

295651 ▶▶ Bobblybob, replying to p02099003, 8, #1123 of 1591 🔗

How do you get to be a member of public asking a question? Reminds me of when I was a prepubescent naughty schoolboy – my mate got through on local radio phoneline, fed the screener a load of BS and then loudly pronounced ‘fuck’ on air. We of course found this hilarious, but couldn’t loads of sceptics try to get on air, by pretending to not be sceptic, and then come out with an actual searching question?

295697 ▶▶▶ Sarigan, replying to Bobblybob, 1, #1124 of 1591 🔗

They are pre-recorded unfortunately.

295839 ▶▶▶▶ Cranmer, replying to Sarigan, #1125 of 1591 🔗

Is that the case with all of them now? I remember in 2015 somebody got on Any Answers on the BBC and claimed the pictures of that dead migrant boy on the beach were fake, much to the horror of the presenter who told him off because he was supposed to be talking about something else.

295836 ▶▶ Cranmer, replying to p02099003, 1, #1126 of 1591 🔗

I guess this is being done so that London and the SE can be put into Tier 3.
These people are psychopaths.

295616 Jake, replying to Jake, 5, #1127 of 1591 🔗

Correct me if I’m wrong but the Vaccine protects you against symptoms and not immunity

That means that people who are vaccinated are not necessarily immune to getting infected; but they are more likely to experience fewer symptoms and not get as sick as those who aren’t vaccinated.

http://alwaysonwatch3.blogspot.com/2020/12/covid-19-vaccines-not-panacea.html

295655 ▶▶ p02099003, replying to Jake, 10, #1128 of 1591 🔗

Absolutely, like the flu vaccine. Also if you have no symptoms after having the vaccine then, according to Witty, you are still infectious. Therefore the vaccine is worthless, more people may then test positive but the mortality rate will drop (which it will do anyway as the most vulnerable have already died)

295677 ▶▶▶ Jake, replying to p02099003, #1129 of 1591 🔗

Thanks

295978 ▶▶▶▶ John P, replying to Jake, #1130 of 1591 🔗

No, that is not right!

295699 ▶▶▶ Will, replying to p02099003, 3, #1131 of 1591 🔗

And viruses nearly always mutate to become less dangerous.

295706 ▶▶▶ Julian, replying to p02099003, 5, #1132 of 1591 🔗

The mortality rate will drop but masks and distancing will still be necessary and will be maintained, forever

Whitty is in the pandemic business. I think it’s known as “talking your book” in trading circles.

295828 ▶▶▶▶ Cranmer, replying to Julian, 2, #1133 of 1591 🔗

Thinking conspiratorially, it’s possible that Van Tam let that slip the other day when he said something about masks and social distancing being around indefinitely, then he back-pedalled and said it would become a sort of custom amongst some people.

295961 ▶▶▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Cranmer, #1134 of 1591 🔗

Planting seeds!

295977 ▶▶▶ John P, replying to p02099003, 1, #1135 of 1591 🔗

Whitty is taking shit!

295820 ▶▶ Marialta, replying to Jake, 4, #1136 of 1591 🔗

Yes we are only in phase one of vaccination trials. This one has value only as a prophylactic therapeutic treatment. It’s a carrot to keep people compliant for another year or two, or ……

295963 ▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Marialta, 1, #1137 of 1591 🔗

Except that for most people the symptoms caused by the prophylactic will be worse than from the disease itself.

295975 ▶▶ John P, replying to Jake, #1138 of 1591 🔗

No you have it the wrong way around. As I keep trying to tell people here!

295631 p02099003, replying to p02099003, 5, #1140 of 1591 🔗

Now it is time for journalists. BBC health editor Hugh Pym asks how concerned the government is about the rise in cases in south-east England – and how likely is it London and Essex will move to tier three.
Hancock says the case numbers are “worrying”, adding: “We will look at the most up to date data we have on 16 December and take a formal decision”, but he won’t pre-empt it.
Whitty says “of course we are concerned and anyone living in those areas will be concerned”.
He says it is the time of year when respiratory viruses go up and we are seeing it across Europe, but he says we “need to look seriously at these areas and ask if enough” restrictions are in place.
Whitty adds: “If these rates are going up towards the tail end of lockdown that is a concerning situation.”
NHS England’s national medical director Prof Steve Powis also warns there could be increased pressure on the NHS as a result.

295642 ▶▶ thinkaboutit, replying to p02099003, 5, #1141 of 1591 🔗

And they are just about to start testing schoolchildren in Kent and Essex.

295815 ▶▶▶ Janette, replying to thinkaboutit, 5, #1142 of 1591 🔗

They are getting desperate to find cases now. When will all this fall apart. Not quick enough in my view!

295654 ▶▶ Leemc23, replying to p02099003, 18, #1143 of 1591 🔗

Dear Steve,

Fuck you. And the NHS

All the best

Lee

295669 ▶▶ Darryl, replying to p02099003, 7, #1144 of 1591 🔗

Not convinced they would dare to put London in Tier 3 in the Christmas shopping period, it inconveniences the wealthy middle classes and retailers too much. Just imagine the stock write offs. Even the black cab drivers might actually finally wake up and protest.

295715 ▶▶▶ Stringfellow Hawke, replying to Darryl, 9, #1145 of 1591 🔗

In fairness a lot of the black cab drivers are broken people. There was a story posted a few weeks back, one poor taxi driver collapsed, broke down in tears with a passenger – poor guy was 5-6 months in arrears with his mortgage, trying to live on a literally minuscule income, sold his furniture, kids were eating bread sandwiches. Dreadful; there will be many many more like him.

295802 ▶▶▶▶ A. Contrarian, replying to Stringfellow Hawke, 4, #1146 of 1591 🔗

Bread sandwiches? What, like a slice of bread between two other slices of bread?!

295863 ▶▶▶▶▶ Monty Bodkin, replying to A. Contrarian, #1147 of 1591 🔗

I like them. I sometimes have toasted bread sandwiches. Very decadent.

295946 ▶▶▶ Jonathan Palmer, replying to Darryl, 2, #1148 of 1591 🔗

I speak as one.We protested for years about the illegal practices of Uber.We were ignored by the powers that be.Despite constant revelations nothing changed.They eventually lost their licence but won it back on appeal after promising to be good in the future.
The cab drivers like many in this country have been bought off with self employment grants.Without then I guarantee the streets would have been full of angry cab drivers.At the moment we are eking
out a meagre living which will disappear if London goes into Tier 3.

295999 ▶▶▶▶ Darryl, replying to Jonathan Palmer, #1149 of 1591 🔗

Glad you are onside. I am friends with a black cab driver who tells me how the business has been destroyed by the lack of city workers and nightlife.

What always surprises me is that after attending anti lockdown protests for months in London I have never seen a supportive black cab driver or one accept a leaflet. In fact most are on the hostile side.

The grant money will eventually end, the workers won’t return, and the taxis will rapidly fall in value (the loans won’t). They will be sacrificed to Uber, this government loves the globalists.

295700 ▶▶ Julian, replying to p02099003, 3, #1150 of 1591 🔗

BBC health editor Hugh Pym asks how concerned the government is about the rise in cases in south-east England”

I wonder if questions like that, setting up the protagonists for the line they want to spin, come naturally to Pym or whether he’s briefed beforehand.

295717 ▶▶▶ DRW, replying to Julian, 2, #1151 of 1591 🔗

I assume it’s all scripted.

295831 ▶▶▶▶ mjr, replying to DRW, 2, #1152 of 1591 🔗

too true.. BBC lost any reputation for independent journalism a long time ago. they wouldnt recognise a searching question if it ran up to them and kicked them in the testimonials

296000 ▶▶▶ Darryl, replying to Julian, #1153 of 1591 🔗

All scripted to create a narrative.

295823 ▶▶ Cranmer, replying to p02099003, 3, #1154 of 1591 🔗

What the actual f*ck is going on with this obsession of driving London into Tier 3? Does Khan get more money from HMG or something? I mean, why, just why?

295960 ▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Cranmer, #1155 of 1591 🔗

To remind people he’s still there?

295632 Nick Rose, replying to Nick Rose, 9, #1156 of 1591 🔗

Look, now we know what school Drakeford taught at before entering politics.

295636 ▶▶ AnotherSceptic, replying to Nick Rose, 5, #1157 of 1591 🔗

That’s a hysterical episode of the Simpsons it’s called “Homie the Clown”

Bit apt, Drakeford, Stugeon, Boris, Wankcock etc are all fucking clowns also.

295791 ▶▶ annie, replying to Nick Rose, 1, #1158 of 1591 🔗

That’s far too intellectually challenging for Dungford.

295634 p02099003, replying to p02099003, 11, #1159 of 1591 🔗

Wiity still hammering the asymptomatic spread.

295653 ▶▶ Leemc23, replying to p02099003, 12, #1160 of 1591 🔗

Pull the other one Whitty. It’s got bells on. Utter fraud.

295703 ▶▶ Jo Dominich -, replying to p02099003, 6, #1161 of 1591 🔗

The man’s an outright liar, conman and not fit to practice at all.

295777 ▶▶▶ Gavroche, replying to Jo Dominich -, 4, #1162 of 1591 🔗

Just seen a public health advert on Channel 5 that stated as a matter of fact that ‘even asymptomatic people’ spread the virus. I’m tempted to make a complaint to the ASA on the basis that this is a misleading claim and hence in breach of the advertising code.

295957 ▶▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Gavroche, 1, #1163 of 1591 🔗

Go for it!

295639 ▶▶ Be Unshakeable, replying to p02099003, 9, #1165 of 1591 🔗

If they did would they care? They’re still too busy trying to ramp their sharehold… I mean inflate Pfizer’s stockpri… I mean save the country.

295648 ▶▶ Mabel Cow, replying to p02099003, 8, #1166 of 1591 🔗

The NHS sure is world class. It can’t even run to a 15-minute observation period.

295650 ▶▶ Richard O, replying to p02099003, 19, #1167 of 1591 🔗

This comes in light of new MHRA guidance stating that patients need to be kept for observation for 15 minutes following their vaccination with the Pfizer/BioNTech Covid vaccine to rule out anaphylaxis.

The 15 minute observation period was initially planned, then scrapped. Now it is being hastily reinstated within 48 hours. I suspect that there have already been many more cases of anaphylactic shock than are being reported.

As Gerard Batten said on Twitter today: “ Take this shit at your peril “.

295693 ▶▶▶ Tyneside Tigress, replying to Richard O, 8, #1168 of 1591 🔗

The second dose is likely to be even worse – in the US trials there were some pretty significant side effects, and they were fit and healthy people.

295795 ▶▶ A. Contrarian, replying to p02099003, 3, #1169 of 1591 🔗

The minute they said that 15-minute obs was required, it was obvious that GPs would have to pull out. That’s longer than a standard appointment! And where would they put them all – out in the car park in the freezing cold or driving rain? They can hardly have them lining the corridors as surely that would be encouraging viral spread amongst the very people you’re trying to protect.

295953 ▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to p02099003, #1170 of 1591 🔗

We knew about the 15 minute observation period last week. Surely the GPs were already aware?

This is surely to cover the fact that the two stricken nurses weren’t asked if they had allergies before being jabbed.

I’m also surprised the nurses didn’t raise that point, given that they were so susceptible to anaphylaxis. Weird all round!

295640 Luckyharry69, replying to Luckyharry69, 12, #1171 of 1591 🔗

This Covid conference is cringeworthy…they get worse over time.They must think the British public are fu@@ing stupid….

295643 ▶▶ Recusant, replying to Luckyharry69, 7, #1172 of 1591 🔗

er,…

295647 ▶▶▶ Be Unshakeable, replying to Recusant, 4, #1173 of 1591 🔗

uh huh

295658 ▶▶ DRW, replying to Luckyharry69, 5, #1174 of 1591 🔗

Still a Clown Show even without the main character.

295731 ▶▶ IanE, replying to Luckyharry69, 3, #1175 of 1591 🔗

The truly sad thing is that, for the main, they are clearly right!

295641 Martyn, replying to Martyn, 8, #1176 of 1591 🔗

There is a drug called Ivermectin…. It is safe, been around since the 70’s and is a guaranteed cure and preventative for C19… Only problem is that it is cheap and readily available….. So does not require vast sums of tax-payers money to be shipped to large corporations!!! You simply must watch this video of a Doctor giving tesimony on Tuesday this week at a US Senate hearing….. This situation could all go away in a heartbeat if they wanted it to:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tq8SXOBy-4w

296054 ▶▶ OKUK, replying to Martyn, #1177 of 1591 🔗

I saw previous vidmonnthis

295645 Ricky R, replying to Ricky R, 27, #1178 of 1591 🔗

Happy to see Beth Rigby getting a taste of her own medicine for all the hysteria she’s been fueling by asking idiotic questions to the government over why they aren’t being stricter. Suspended for going to a party. Feels like justice that she’s being punished by the same people she has been feverishly encouraging this year.

296051 ▶▶ OKUK, replying to Ricky R, #1179 of 1591 🔗

Beff is finkin fings frew. Her initial feelin is that the gumment are to blame, as it happened on the Pry Minner’s watch.

295646 Tyneside Tigress, replying to Tyneside Tigress, 16, #1180 of 1591 🔗

Handsy really does have to go – straight to jail without trial. He would end up in solitary confinement for his own safety.

295730 ▶▶ IanE, replying to Tyneside Tigress, 6, #1181 of 1591 🔗

Anyway, to make him share a cell with a dangerous criminal would be cruel and unusual punishment – for the latter!

295787 ▶▶▶ annie, replying to IanE, 4, #1182 of 1591 🔗

Send him to a care home. Worse than the very worst of prisons.

295867 ▶▶ Two-Six, replying to Tyneside Tigress, 4, #1183 of 1591 🔗

“See you tomorrow Matthew, you can empty the bucket then” said the guard as he pushed the heavy door closed and snapped the viewing window shut. The sharp sound bounced of the walls, Mathew’s eyes started to adjust to the darkness and his eyes fell on a large lumpy shapeless object on the hard concrete bed, a gruff voice, tinged with grimey undertones and malice came out from under the grubby prison blanket.
“Hello Matthew, do you want to be Mummy or Daddy?”

295652 Cheshirecatslave, replying to Cheshirecatslave, 10, #1184 of 1591 🔗

I was chatting about masks to a friend in the medical profession. They admitted masks don’t protect the wearer unless they are medical masks worn properly but they said they protected others from droplets. I wondered why no one has done a trial of whether healthy young volunteers would catch a common cold or not from masked vs unmasked people with colds. Such a trial would make the evidence far clearer. From personal experience when I was a sickly child my parents wore masks when unwell to try to protect me. They never did.

295687 ▶▶ Londo Mollari, replying to Cheshirecatslave, 11, #1185 of 1591 🔗

They have done randomised clinical trials in hospital settings which show that masks don’t stop the spread of respiratory infections like influenza. Masks are worn by surgeons to stop spit getting in open wounds – that’s all. Nothing to do with respiratory infections. https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S1201971220324504#bib0005

295691 ▶▶▶ Sarigan, replying to Londo Mollari, 8, #1186 of 1591 🔗

This one on cloth masks concluded:

This study is the first RCT of cloth masks, and the results caution against the use of cloth masks. This is an important finding to inform occupational health and safety. Moisture retention, reuse of cloth masks and poor filtration may result in increased risk of infection . Further research is needed to inform the widespread use of cloth masks globally. However, as a precautionary measure, cloth masks should not be recommended for HCWs, particularly in high-risk situations, and guidelines need to be updated.

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/25903751/

295965 ▶▶▶ John P, replying to Londo Mollari, 1, #1187 of 1591 🔗

I don’t fucking care. I’m not wearing a nappy on my face.

295689 ▶▶ p02099003, replying to Cheshirecatslave, 15, #1188 of 1591 🔗

When it was very cold in the 1960’s people wore scarves wrapped round their faces to ensure they breathed in warm air, but it didn’t stop people getting colds. Also I would have thought that had they worked we would have adopted them years ago. However, having said that, in times gone by we weren’t as hygiene conscious as we are now, so was there more immunity then?

295694 ▶▶▶ Fingerache Philip., replying to p02099003, 8, #1189 of 1591 🔗

Yes,Absolutely.

295857 ▶▶▶ Monty Bodkin, replying to p02099003, 3, #1190 of 1591 🔗

I think we were actually far more hygiene conscious back then. I was born in ’59 so was a child throughout the sixties and certainly I was drilled into washing my hands regularly (both at home and at school). It was unthinkable for adults or children to visit a lavatory and then leave without washing their hands, whereas I’ve noticed this to be disturbingly rare nowadays.
The fifties and sixties were also an era in which hospital hygiene was scrupulous. The proliferation of hospital-acquired infections (norovirus and MRSA to name but two) in recent years indicates a systemic laxity in standards of cleanliness.
Yes, the TV ads might show people using anti-bacterial sprays and hand wipes but the occasional use of these is a poor substitute for the regular use of good old soap and hot water, with which we very well aquainted back then.
I still contracted Hong Kong flu in ’68 though, and I still remember what it felt like.

295942 ▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to p02099003, 2, #1191 of 1591 🔗

Most of us didn’t have central heating. We were definitely tougher then.

296091 ▶▶▶▶ The Filthy Engineer, replying to Cheezilla, 1, #1192 of 1591 🔗

Yeah! The winter mornings when you could scrape the ice off the inside of the bedroom window.

296118 ▶▶▶▶ Monty Bodkin, replying to Cheezilla, #1193 of 1591 🔗

I still don’t have central heating. Just a woodburner and Rayburn that, fortunately, feeds one radiator in the bathroom. Currently it’s just over 9 degrees in most parts of this old stone house and when winter bites (which it does up here in the hills), it gets a fair bit colder than that. Ice on the windows is an annual joy. Icicles hanging from the skylights are very attractive. Mind you, it means that we can switch the fridge off for a while when it becomes colder outside of it than within.

295962 ▶▶ John P, replying to Cheshirecatslave, 3, #1194 of 1591 🔗

I’m gonna say something radical here. I don’t give a shit if they do reduce spread. I’m not wearing a mask.

295657 richard riewer, replying to richard riewer, 5, #1195 of 1591 🔗

https://www.lewrockwell.com/2020/07/no_author/trump-gives-1.16-billion-to-bill-gates-vaccine-alliance-inks-deal-with-pfizer-for-a-covid-vaccine/

This happened last July. Naughty Donald. The rest of the article is very critical of vaccines and the Pfizer vaccine in general. Worth reading.

295816 ▶▶ Kevin 2, replying to richard riewer, 3, #1196 of 1591 🔗

Trump has been rather naive about vaccines, I believe. He thinks or previously thought that the majority of US citizens were desperate to receive one.
He withdrew US funding from the WHO (sensible), but then committed a similar amount to GAVI! Which is kind of crazy because GAVI, in turn, fund the WHO.
When he holds a rally he gets louds whoops of support to everything he says, until he mentions vaccines when it all goes a bit muted. (Polls suggest more than half of US citizens don’t want the jab.)

I wish he would release Assange right now, before it is too late.

295661 Cecil B, replying to Cecil B, 17, #1197 of 1591 🔗

WTF is going on?

Six months for going for a night out

Kay, grow a pair and tell them to fuck off

(Mind you does highlight that the MSM Corona porn merchants don’t believe any of this crap)

BBC

Sky News presenter Kay Burley is to stay off-air for six months after admitting breaking Covid rules during a night out for her 60th birthday.
Political editor Beth Rigby and north of England correspondent Inzamam Rashid, who were among those with her, will be absent for three months.
“I made a big mistake, and I am sorry,” Burley wrote on Twitter .
Burley was among 10 people who went to a restaurant on Saturday before she briefly went into another restaurant.
She then moved on to a private residence where individuals from at least three households mixed, the BBC has been told.

295667 ▶▶ Richard O, replying to Cecil B, 20, #1198 of 1591 🔗

Public figures who are imposing the rules and peddling the lies, and thereby guilty of crimes against humanity, have been consistently breaking the rules with impunity since March. Nice to see a couple of them hung out to dry. Plenty more of this to come as the dark forces move in for the kill.

295690 ▶▶▶ Laura Suckling, replying to Richard O, 16, #1199 of 1591 🔗

No Richard, you don’t understand. The rules only apply to the little people.

I can fly either in my private jet or 1st class (because I am more important than you) with impunity, but am able to do a big fat virtue signal (HRH Harry the emasculated) or luvvie Emma Thompson to lecture you on climate change.

Obviously, you peasants are below contempt for either wanting a normal life or simply a few moments with your disgusting viral relatives.

I, on the other hand being either a superior being (because I say words others have written) or a media person, get a pass, The quarantine rules do not apply to stinking rich ‘business people’.

Know your place peasant.

295698 ▶▶▶▶ Richard O, replying to Laura Suckling, 8, #1200 of 1591 🔗

There are plenty of other laws our glorious leaders break as well. Sexual relations with children being amongst their most egregious infractions.

But let’s not worry about such minor details.

295770 ▶▶▶▶▶ RickH, replying to Richard O, -4, #1201 of 1591 🔗

Do get a grip on your imagination.

295768 ▶▶▶ RickH, replying to Richard O, 1, #1202 of 1591 🔗

Nice to see a couple of them hung out to dry.”

No it’s f.ing not – unless you’re into brainless revenge as a form of anger management.

Bullshit is bullshit.

295931 ▶▶▶▶ Jonathan Palmer, replying to RickH, 2, #1203 of 1591 🔗

I’m quite happy with brainless revenge.Maybe on their gardening leave they can reflect on the world they helped to create.

295673 ▶▶ FlynnQuill, replying to Cecil B, 11, #1204 of 1591 🔗

On full pay plus benefits I might add. The worst of the worst! Propoganda pushers and collaborators against their own people. Sky should have sacked them. Game of Thrones walk of shame springs to mind as a minimum punishment. C@nts.

295683 ▶▶▶ Fiona Walker, replying to FlynnQuill, 12, #1205 of 1591 🔗

It’s the hypocrisy that stinks. Rigby was apoplectic with rage and indignation over Cummings little trip so she reaps what she sows. Rules, like taxes, are for little people.

295906 ▶▶▶ Bill h, replying to FlynnQuill, #1206 of 1591 🔗

Sack the bastards.

295681 ▶▶ Luckyharry69, replying to Cecil B, 2, #1207 of 1591 🔗

she will be out in two for good behaviour

295688 ▶▶ Sarigan, replying to Cecil B, 1, #1208 of 1591 🔗

Have they got to pay the fines also?

295721 ▶▶ Margaret, replying to Cecil B, #1209 of 1591 🔗

Any word from the other part goers yet?

295662 Margaret, 10, #1210 of 1591 🔗

Now that Beth Rigby and Kay Burley have been put on the naughty step for three and six months, respectively, Sky are going to have to do some manoeuvring with their journalists to fill the gaps.

There are so many people on here with medical experience, statistical expertise, psychological know-how and just general common sense.

How about they volunteer their services to Sky as askers of awkward questions at briefings or doorsteppers to MPs or interviewers most hated by the government and opposition?

It would make a change from the pathetic bunch on MSM at the moment (with one or two exceptions)

295678 Cecil B, 7, #1211 of 1591 🔗

hysteria
[hɪˈstɪərɪə]
NOUN

  1. exaggerated or uncontrollable emotion or excitement.
  2. “the anti-Semitic hysteria of the 1890s”
  3. synonyms:
  4. frenzy · wildness · feverishness · irrationality · hysterics · loss of control · [More]
  5. an old-fashioned term for a psychological disorder characterized by conversion of psychological stress into physical symptoms (somatization) or a change in self-awareness (such as a fugue state or selective amnesia).
295679 Fiona Walker, replying to Fiona Walker, 54, #1212 of 1591 🔗

Broke through the border and took a bus to York today, then another to one of their out of town outlets (which I won’t name in case there are spies on here). On the way back, the (unmasked) driver led the handful of passengers in a rousing singalong of twelve days of Christmas. It was a very touching moment.

295696 ▶▶ Janette, replying to Fiona Walker, 12, #1213 of 1591 🔗

Excellent, we need for of this. We have to get back to normal.

295702 ▶▶ DRW, replying to Fiona Walker, 8, #1214 of 1591 🔗

Always nice to hear these stories.

295776 ▶▶ annie, replying to Fiona Walker, 9, #1215 of 1591 🔗

Cheering!

295812 ▶▶ arfurmo, replying to Fiona Walker, 1, #1216 of 1591 🔗

I’ll have a punt on the Designer Outlet as Clifton Moor and Monks Cross aren’t worth crawling under the wire.

295850 ▶▶ Lili, replying to Fiona Walker, 1, #1217 of 1591 🔗

Sounds wonderful.

295680 Country Mumkin, replying to Country Mumkin, 15, #1218 of 1591 🔗

Just had a chat with my mother in law. I asked if her husband would get the vaccine as he has an epi-pen and she thinks he will. Then I asked how she felt about it all and she said she’s had whooping cough and polio vaccines and she believes they probably weren’t tested as well as this one. And if this vaccine gives her independence back, then she’ll have it. I nearly wept for her.

295705 ▶▶ p02099003, replying to Country Mumkin, 4, #1219 of 1591 🔗

The opposite is true, certainly the Salk vaccine for polio probably was as it was developed in the USA, available in 1955 in the USA. The oral Sabin vaccine (which we must have used in the UK as it was given on a sugar lump) followed in the early 1960’s.
The first pertussis (whooping cough) vaccine was also developed in the USA in the 1930’s, so it has been around a long time.

295716 ▶▶ IanE, replying to Country Mumkin, 7, #1220 of 1591 🔗

Ah yes: the penalty for bigamy? Two mothers-in-law!

295734 ▶▶▶ Ceriain, replying to IanE, 2, #1221 of 1591 🔗

Solomon apparently had 700 wives; thats 700 mothers-in-law. I get a hard enough time with the wife’s mother.

295775 ▶▶▶▶ annie, replying to Ceriain, 5, #1222 of 1591 🔗

As king, he was probably exempt from mothers-in-law, and wouldn’t have to take them all into Tesco’s so long as he wore a lanyard.

295900 ▶▶ Bill h, replying to Country Mumkin, #1223 of 1591 🔗

Leave them.
They are lost.

295682 Luckyharry69, replying to Luckyharry69, 8, #1224 of 1591 🔗

Hezeltine on TalkRadio now saying we should never have left the European Union?…we got it wrong?…and the generations coming up will want to rejoin!!!!!….this guy needs HANGING

295714 ▶▶ IanE, replying to Luckyharry69, 3, #1225 of 1591 🔗

‘HANGING’? – he needs sectioning!

295856 ▶▶▶ CGL, replying to IanE, 3, #1226 of 1591 🔗

into quarters

295733 ▶▶ NappyFace, replying to Luckyharry69, -7, #1227 of 1591 🔗

Except for the fact he might be right.

Remember the unprecedented damage and cruelty inflicted on the U.K. populace during this casedemic was not done by the EU, but by Brexiteers. Many EU countries also chose to destroy their civilisations, but they didn’t force us to do it.

Most people have no idea of the impact of leaving the EU.

295741 ▶▶▶ NappyFace, replying to NappyFace, -10, #1228 of 1591 🔗

If you want to narrow your group only to Farage loving, Trump supporting Brexiteers go ahead! It won’t help this cause much.

295756 ▶▶▶▶ Julian, replying to NappyFace, 14, #1229 of 1591 🔗

What have Farage, Trump or Brexit got to do with opposition to Coronabollocks?

I think we should steer clear of party politics and side issues as far as possible, though I would point out that opposition to lockdowns in parliament has mainly come from the Tory backbenches and the DUP, and that most prominent sceptics I can think of are from the right and pro-Brexit.

295778 ▶▶▶▶▶ NappyFace, replying to Julian, #1230 of 1591 🔗

I agree – I was responding to the comment about Heseltine talking about leaving the EU above.

295788 ▶▶▶▶▶ Kevin 2, replying to Julian, #1231 of 1591 🔗

If a no-deal Brexit is used to gridlock freight movement, further destroy the economy, cause shortages of essential imported goods necessitating ration cards, and to guarantee a precipitous drop in the £, engineered by Soros and the hedge funds, cause stagflation, and an unprecedented debt mountain, leading eventually to the end of UK sovereignty and autonomy, then it’s kind of relevant, I would suggest.
It’s what I’ve been anticipating for six months or so. Has all the mark of Cummings behind it. He may have officially departed, but unofficially he is still there I suspect.
Not exactly what folks voted for in the referendum.

295748 ▶▶▶ DRW, replying to NappyFace, 6, #1232 of 1591 🔗

Yes but don’t forget Macron’s hand in pressuring for LD.

295752 ▶▶▶▶ NappyFace, replying to DRW, -2, #1233 of 1591 🔗

First time round, absolutely agree.

Not since then.

295925 ▶▶▶ Jonathan Palmer, replying to NappyFace, 2, #1234 of 1591 🔗

Eu is just the branch office of the coming World government.Brexit is irrelevant and I say that as someone who voted for it.
Only by leaving NATO and UN
will we be truly free

295854 ▶▶ Two-Six, replying to Luckyharry69, #1235 of 1591 🔗

Mr Hesselbine!

295893 ▶▶ KBuchanan, replying to Luckyharry69, #1236 of 1591 🔗

Let a couple of German shepherds at him ( he is known as dog strangler )

295685 Sarigan, 10, #1237 of 1591 🔗

Canaries disrupt by saying they will accept the lateral flow test for entry to the islands. Response – remove them from the travel corridor. As the Govt has not got test and release in place yet, that means isolation for anyone returning after 0400 Sunday for 14 days so over Christmas.

Have submitted FOI for the full data set for the decision as false positive asymptomatic cases are not evenly distributed so blanket ban is even more ridiculous than it would be otherwise.

295686 Stuart, replying to Stuart, 13, #1238 of 1591 🔗

Vilfredo Pareto would be loving this, he of the 80:20 Principle.

Certainly the 80% lumpencovidariat are proving themselves thick as bricks, as they lemming-like thunder over the vaccination cliff.

The long-term eugenic effects of this cull are huge.

295713 ▶▶ IanE, replying to Stuart, 4, #1239 of 1591 🔗

Could be a boost for the average IQ of course!

295771 ▶▶▶ annie, replying to IanE, 4, #1240 of 1591 🔗

It couldn’t be much lower than it is now, so every Lump we get rid of is a gain.

295692 Tim Bidie, replying to Tim Bidie, 6, #1241 of 1591 🔗

Probably this was already posted but this chart vindicates the Swedish approach conclusively.

295695 ▶▶ Tim Bidie, replying to Tim Bidie, 5, #1242 of 1591 🔗

Ref. for above chart:

https://healthy-skeptic.com/2020/12/07/excess-deaths-for-15-to-64-year-olds/

And this report explains why the figures for England and Wales are so high

https://www.amnesty.org.uk/files/2020-10/Care%20Homes%20Report.pdf?kd5Z8eWzj8Q6ryzHkcaUnxfCtqe5Ddg6=

Oh…..and they cleared NHS hospitals again on 18 Sept………

295928 ▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Tim Bidie, #1243 of 1591 🔗

Oh…..and they cleared NHS hospitals again on 18 Sept………

I’ve been pointing that out ever since!

295704 Ceriain, replying to Ceriain, 6, #1244 of 1591 🔗

Sorry. 😉

295708 ▶▶ Mabel Cow, replying to Ceriain, 4, #1245 of 1591 🔗

At least Jack can feast on us.

295710 Steve Martindale, replying to Steve Martindale, 20, #1246 of 1591 🔗

As reported in an earlier post the Government have rejected our proposed Petition calling for the Face-mask England regs to be rescinded. There were 2 reasons;

1. There is an existing Face-mask petition
https://petition.parliament.uk/petitions/331174
I was not aware of this one, which is not surprising as it seems to have been started back in July to try and stop the regs being started in the first place, it did not get very far and has lain dormant but is still live until Jan 16 2021. The fact that this existing petition is a reason to reject a new face-mask petition makes it hard to know what sort of facemask petition could currently be accepted, maybe we just have to wait until after Jan 16th and then start a new one?

.2 They say our wording, included confidential, libellous, false, unproven or defamatory information, I guess that means that to get a petition accepted the wording has to be very bland. We said,
These regulations have been in force since July and they seem to have had relatively little effect on the virus. Studies and official comments have cast serious doubts on the benefits of face-masks. At the same time the adverse effects of mask wearing both physically and psychologically are becoming more apparent and serious. Mask wearing destroys our humanity and our vitality .
Clearly seditious and treacherous wording, who knows? I might be locked up in the tower by the morning!

We are not totally defeated and will see what we can do but having had one petition rejected we need to learn our lesson and think very carefully before submitting another.

My thanks to the other members of this site who sponsored this petition, I am sorry that we were not successful. If anyone has any suggestions please let me know

295729 ▶▶ Ceriain, replying to Steve Martindale, 5, #1247 of 1591 🔗

Hey Steve, we tried, mate. I was happy to be a sponsor for you.

We’ll try again and we’ll continue to try again.

295774 ▶▶ GiftWrappedKittyCat, replying to Steve Martindale, 4, #1248 of 1591 🔗

Might be an idea to go with the existing petition you’ve linked to above. It’s already got just under 3,700 signatures and if it gets to 10,000 they’ll respond. If we start signing and sharing this one then we’ve got just over a month to get the another 6,300 signatures which I think is doable. Get signing and sharing people!

296048 ▶▶▶ Steve Martindale, replying to GiftWrappedKittyCat, #1249 of 1591 🔗

With Christmas looming and the review of the facemask regs in January, this might be the best solution. thanks

295719 Old Bill, 17, #1250 of 1591 🔗

Dear Doctor,

Whilst lies can very often be persuasive, they can never be contagious, and the penalty for falling for them is embarrassment not death.

Accordingly I have decided not to take your covid vaccine.

G’day,

Old Bill

295723 Ceriain, replying to Ceriain, 12, #1251 of 1591 🔗

Occasionally the BBC surprise me. Here’s Triggle calling out the latest Test and Trace bullshit::

The suggestion that test and trace in England has improved its performance because it is reaching 86% of the close contacts of people who test positive, up from around 60% a few weeks ago, is somewhat misleading.

The service has changed the way it works – so if an infected person says they have told the rest of their household – and they are all family members – that counts as those close contacts being reached.

Bunch of chancers!

295923 ▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Ceriain, 2, #1252 of 1591 🔗

Triggle is an infrequent lone voice in the wilderness.

295724 dommo, replying to dommo, 9, #1253 of 1591 🔗
295726 ▶▶ Ceriain, replying to dommo, 11, #1254 of 1591 🔗

also: https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9034433/Sir-Patrick-Vallance-admits-NO-hard-evidence-pub-curfews-slow-coronavirus.html

Sir Patrick Vallance admits there is ‘NO hard evidence’ that pub curfews slow coronavirus transmission and says 10pm rule in England was a ‘policy decision’

Pubs! Get a claim in!

295728 ▶▶▶ dommo, replying to Ceriain, 12, #1255 of 1591 🔗

EVERYBODY & EVERY BUSINESS – GET A CLAIM IN!!!

295745 ▶▶▶▶ Ceriain, replying to dommo, 6, #1256 of 1591 🔗

Yeah. What he said! 😀

295764 ▶▶▶ annie, replying to Ceriain, 7, #1257 of 1591 🔗

Sue the pants off Vallance and dump him in the gutter.

295847 ▶▶▶▶ Two-Six, replying to annie, 1, #1258 of 1591 🔗

I was going to type something really nasty then, but didn’t

295890 ▶▶▶▶ Bill h, replying to annie, #1259 of 1591 🔗

Forget Stage One.

Go straight to Stage Two.

295767 ▶▶▶ A. Contrarian, replying to Ceriain, 10, #1260 of 1591 🔗

Is there hard evidence for any of the policies, measures, rules, packages, restrictions and laws that we’ve been subjected to over the last 9 months?

295751 ▶▶ Sarigan, replying to dommo, 3, #1261 of 1591 🔗

Done with thanks

295727 Ozzie, replying to Ozzie, 1, #1262 of 1591 🔗

Just had this response to the letter that I sent to my MP requesting her not to support further lockdown – she is a Labour MP. Also, does anyone know what she is refering to regarding the face covering study in the sixth paragraph? (I didn’t raise this with her). Interesting comment about the vaccines not being compulsory.

Thank you for contacting me about the coronavirus pandemic and measures to protect public health.

While no one doubts the urgency of the situation presented by COVID-19, I recognise your concerns about the extension of emergency powers required to tackle this public health emergency and the impact of these powers on basic rights.

The British people have made so many enormous sacrifices in the interest of protecting public health and I recognise the strong feelings of those who wish to end restrictions. However, while these limitations are not in any way desirable or perfect, I do not believe there is any excuse for inaction or for allowing the virus to continue to spread. I will always act in the national interest to protect public health and that is why I did not vote against regulations for a tiered system across England.

The new three-tier system of local restrictions is now in place and Ministers have committed to review restrictions every two weeks. I believe the Government must publish clear, transparent rules for areas entering and leaving tiers so that everyone can judge these decisions publicly. Going forward, I hope that Ministers set out a clear route map for easing restrictions.

In the meantime, progress in securing a vaccine for COVID-19 is welcome and I pay tribute to all those involved. Vaccinations save lives and I believe we must do everything possible to promote uptake. While the Government is strongly urging everyone to take up the offer of a vaccine, it has confirmed that they will not be compulsory.

The UK has the highest regulatory and medical safety standards in the world. However, I know that people in our constituency and across the country will have legitimate questions. It is important that the Government launches a public information campaign to answer questions and encourage uptake.

People have also raised concerns about the mandatory wearing of face coverings. As you know, the Government is urging people to wear face coverings to reduce the spread of the virus and to give people confidence to return to shops safely. A study by the University of Oxford’s Leverhulme Centre for Demographic Science shows that cloth face coverings are effective in reducing the spread of COVID-19, for the wearer and those around them.

As your elected representative, I welcome your views on these important issues. I will continue to bear in mind the points you have raised as measures relating to COVID-19 are debated in Parliament.

Thank you once again for contacting me.

Best wishes,

Anneliese

Anneliese Dodds MP

295736 ▶▶ dpj, replying to Ozzie, #1263 of 1591 🔗
295921 ▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to dpj, #1264 of 1591 🔗

That piece of mendacious nonsense from the Royal Society is likely the only bit of “evidence” she’ll be able to come up with.
I suggest you raid Toby’s mask info section and send her a more honest selection.

295739 ▶▶ vargas99, replying to Ozzie, 7, #1265 of 1591 🔗

The Leverhulme study appears to be based purely on behavioural research –

“But the report finds that face covering policy has been impacted by a lack of clear recommendations, likely because of an ‘over-reliance on an evidence-based approach and assertion that evidence was weak due to few conclusive RCT (randomized control trial) results in community settings, discounting high quality non-RCT evidence’.
Professor Mills insists this should not be the sole consideration, ‘RCTs don’t fit well when looking at behaviour and it was clear that high quality observational and behavioural research had been largely discarded. It is hard to understand why the policy resistance has been so high. There have been no clinical trials of coughing into your elbow, social distancing and quarantine, yet these measures are seen as effective and have been widely adopted.’”

Seems to dismiss the evidence based approach and basically compares use of masks as being effective in the same way as coughing into your elbow.

You MP may well have referred to this but you can bet she ain’t read it.

https://www.ox.ac.uk/news/2020-07-08-oxford-covid-19-study-face-masks-and-coverings-work-act-now/

295755 ▶▶▶ Kevin 2, replying to vargas99, 7, #1266 of 1591 🔗

Observational studies are fine and acceptable, unless it’s HCQ or Ivermectin..
Aren’t we supposed to say hello by bumping pathogen-ridden elbows now…?

295740 ▶▶ RickH, replying to Ozzie, 9, #1267 of 1591 🔗

The study is at

https://royalsociety.org/-/media/policy/projects/set-c/set-c-facemasks.pdf ?

It was the study produced in June – essentially at the behest of government – to contradict the previous assessments that there was no good evidence, and that the harms had been ignored.

It was produced by ‘The Royal Society’ – by definition not independent of establishment predelictions.

295743 ▶▶▶ DRW, replying to RickH, 3, #1268 of 1591 🔗

Plus we all know who’s a familiar big sponsor of that…

295784 ▶▶ Andy Riley, replying to Ozzie, 2, #1269 of 1591 🔗

https://www.ox.ac.uk/news/2020-07-07-oxford-covid-19-study-face-masks-and-coverings-work-call-immediate-adoption#

This is the study that acknowledged that there were no decent randomised control trials.

Since then we’ve had the Danish study and the US marine study.

295738 guy153, 1, #1270 of 1591 🔗

So did that opinium pill ask “are you planning on not having the vaccine yourself”? Or “are you an anti-vaxxer?”. The former seems more likely somehow.

295744 Ceriain, replying to Ceriain, 14, #1271 of 1591 🔗

Should be interesting to see them ‘live’ on TV giving Mrs Keenan and Mr Shakespeare their 2nd dose of the vax.

If they don’t, a lot of people are going to be asking, “Where are they? Are they dead?”

21st of December; put it in your diary, folks. 😉

295838 ▶▶ jb12, replying to Ceriain, 7, #1272 of 1591 🔗

The winter solstice and a rather important Jupiter-Saturn conjunction.

295845 ▶▶▶ Two-Six, replying to jb12, 7, #1273 of 1591 🔗

Ahhhhh the winter solstice. The one thing no government or king or God has ever managed to fuck with.
Me and Mrs 2-6 will be celebrating that.

295883 ▶▶▶▶ Bill h, replying to Two-Six, 13, #1274 of 1591 🔗

Enjoy. Time lapse. Lulworth Cove. Winter Solstice. Chill.

295933 ▶▶▶▶▶ DomW, replying to Bill h, 2, #1275 of 1591 🔗

Awesome photo!

296009 ▶▶▶▶▶ Ceriain, replying to Bill h, #1276 of 1591 🔗

That’s lovely, Bill. Thanks for posting.

296179 ▶▶▶▶▶ Two-Six, replying to Bill h, 1, #1277 of 1591 🔗

wow nice!

295878 ▶▶▶ Ceriain, replying to jb12, 2, #1278 of 1591 🔗

Oh, so it is! Spooky! Been watching Saturn and Jupiter getting ‘closer’ and ‘closer’ to each other (if you know what I mean); lovley.

296055 ▶▶▶▶ jb12, replying to Ceriain, 2, #1279 of 1591 🔗

If you go out at sunset on the 16th and 17th, you’ll see the waxing crescent moon with them. The Babylonians of the first millennia BCE would have seen great meaning in that as the first crescent was the beginning of their months and the Jupiter-Saturn conjunction near the Winter Solstice only happens very rarely. A configuration like this one with the crescent moon with the conjunction last happened in 1166, but I am not even sure that it would have been visible as Jupiter and Saturn were much closer to the sun then and could have already heliacally set by then. Hopefully the clouds stay away next week as it really is a momentous event.

296132 ▶▶▶▶▶ Ceriain, replying to jb12, 1, #1280 of 1591 🔗

Yeah, been praying for the weather to clear here for it. We’ve had some really clear nights lately, and had some gorgeous views of them, but it’s been cloudy the last week, or so. Fingers crossed.

296119 ▶▶▶ thinkaboutit, replying to jb12, #1281 of 1591 🔗

Crumbs. I’m having a tooth out that day.

295746 guy153, replying to guy153, 12, #1282 of 1591 🔗

OK here’s my prediction. Although we were the first to “approve” the vaccine we will be the last to actually deliver it (in significant numbers). This is because actually doing stuff turns out to be harder than just saying “It’ll be fine”.

T&T was supposed to be the way out of Lockdown 1.0 but didn’t start until several months later. I also think these restrictions will have to end before the vaccine has actually been rolled out.

295769 ▶▶ Ceriain, replying to guy153, 8, #1283 of 1591 🔗

T&T was supposed to be the way out of Lockdown 1.0 but didn’t start until several months later.

And that’s been an unmitigated disaster. Uptake of the app has been a disaster. It’s all been a disaster, especially for us.

295794 ▶▶▶ DRW, replying to Ceriain, 6, #1284 of 1591 🔗

Not even a week into “vaccine” deployment and it’s already falling to pieces. Well on the way to being another T&T.

295779 ▶▶ Charlie Blue, replying to guy153, 2, #1285 of 1591 🔗

I agree with your first point! However, keeping the restrictions going is the stick to beat everyone towards the jab with. Why do you think the restrictions will have to end at any particular point? I hope you’re right, of course.

296107 ▶▶▶ guy153, replying to Charlie Blue, #1286 of 1591 🔗

Political pressure is the only thing that will end it and that has been building steadily and continues to do so.

The vaccine makes it slower because of commitment bias. Having come this far it seems a shame to give up when the vaccine is “just around the corner”. Except that corner is like the M25 on the busiest day of the year after a pile-up involving several lorries. We would have actually got out of it quicker without the vaccine.

So yes I hope I’m right.. but I think restrictions in name only will go on forever. They will just be increasingly ignored.

295754 Mark, replying to Mark, 43, #1287 of 1591 🔗

JANET STREET-PORTER: Don’t throw stones at Rita and Kay, Tiers rely on fears and after nine months of living with Covid we are all brave rule-benders now comment image
We may well sneer at serial Tier offender Rita Ora (centre), roll our eyes at the antics of Amir Khan (right) – stupidly posting pictures of his lavish birthday bash for 18 online – and we can gloat over Kay Burley’s (left, with colleague Beth Rigby) grovelling apology for ‘inadvertently’ breaking the rules with a dinner for ten, then visiting another restaurant, finally heading home with pals to carry on partying, writes JANET STREET-PORTER. But if we do, we’re hypocrites. Sanction busting is rife – even Dame Joan Bakewell, national treasure and spokesperson for the elderly, admitting to bending the rules earlier this year on national television. Back in April, during the first lockdown, 87-year-old Dame Joan stunned viewers to the BBC’s One Show by admitting she regularly invited a friend into her garden for coffee. Viewers were outraged; one posting #stupidcow on social media and another wondering ‘suppose it’s OK – depends on the size of your garden’. Now, having illegal home visits aren’t even worthy of comment. We’re flocking to Oxford Street in our thousands and shopping shoulder-to-shoulder before visiting restaurants and claiming we’re dining with ‘family and carers’.

Let’s just get this clear: if you are a pusher of panic over the latest coronavirus, whether a government figure like Cummings or media/celebs like the types referenced here, and you break the rules, you are not a “brave rule-bender”, you are a contemptible cowardly hypocrite. Nobody should try to defend these scumbags on the (true) basis that the rules are stupid – they push those stupid rules on others. Cummings hounded out of government? Good! Burley given 6 month suspension? Good! Not for breaking the rules, but for being cowards and hypocrites.

The brave ones, Street-Porter, are the ones standing up for truth about the total lack of any justification for the catastrophic mass panic indulged in and fomented by your ilk. They are the ones facing vilification, harassment, fines and police violence, and they are the ones who are right, while you are wrong. If you lack the intellect or the courage to stand up for that truth, shut up and hide yourself away, and stop sniping at your betters.

295758 ▶▶ Cranmer, replying to Mark, 23, #1288 of 1591 🔗

I’ve been saying for a while that this kind of thing will become more and more common, and it could actually be our salvation. More and more people in the public eye who think there is one rule for them and one for the little people will be caught out, and the little people will start wondering why they are bothering.

295761 ▶▶▶ Richard O, replying to Cranmer, 19, #1289 of 1591 🔗

Yes, these people are not breaking the rules for a higher purpose, they are doing so because they think the rules do not apply to them (but should still apply to everyone else).

295765 ▶▶▶▶ Cranmer, replying to Richard O, 11, #1290 of 1591 🔗

We also have an entire industry devoted to the trivial lives of so called ‘celebrities’, who live in an endless round of pointless social frivolity. Do people really think these people will sit at home ‘zooming’ for the rest of their lives? No, they will gradually start to break the rules not through any abstract desire for freedom, but from simple egotism.

295783 ▶▶▶▶▶ Richard O, replying to Cranmer, 8, #1291 of 1591 🔗

There’s an element of deliberate mockery here as well. Governors in the States have been doing this all year. Make our lives a misery and enforce the rules with brutal psychological warfare, then be seen to be breaking the rules with impunity.

295833 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Mark, replying to Richard O, 5, #1292 of 1591 🔗

Wielding power is just not satisfying enough if you have to obey the rules yourself, like the little people….

295852 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Graham3, replying to Mark, 4, #1293 of 1591 🔗

Another Stanford experiment.

295782 ▶▶▶ Will, replying to Cranmer, 8, #1294 of 1591 🔗

The little people aren’t bothering, they are just telling everyone on Facebook that they are bothering.

295763 ▶▶ annie, replying to Mark, 3, #1295 of 1591 🔗

Hear hear.

295792 ▶▶ Harry hopkins, replying to Mark, 14, #1296 of 1591 🔗

Piers Corbyn has more character, courage, honesty and humanity than all these celebs and journos put together.

295842 ▶▶▶ Two-Six, replying to Harry hopkins, 6, #1297 of 1591 🔗

Yes he does.

295835 ▶▶ Ben, replying to Mark, #1298 of 1591 🔗

Who are the narcissistic monsters in these photos?

295837 ▶▶▶ Two-Six, replying to Ben, 5, #1299 of 1591 🔗

Who is Rita Ora?
I honestly don’t have a clue and I can’t be arsed to look her up either

296039 ▶▶▶▶ OKUK, replying to Two-Six, 2, #1300 of 1591 🔗

M’lord she is a popular entertainer, a singer and song writer of partly Albanian descent who specialises in modern melodic dance tracks. Many teenage boys view images of her on their laptops, by way of erotic focus for their bouts of nocturnal autoeroticism. She was romantically linked to Calvin Harris, with whom M’Lord will be familiar.

296178 ▶▶▶▶▶ Two-Six, replying to OKUK, #1301 of 1591 🔗

Thank you for your submission to the bench, you may proceed.
🙂

296023 ▶▶▶ Mark, replying to Ben, #1302 of 1591 🔗

I recognise the boxer, and Street-Porter (because when I was young she was all over the TV and there weren’t many alternative channels). The other women,no idea.

295762 Harry hopkins, replying to Harry hopkins, 15, #1303 of 1591 🔗

Kary Mullis—-PCR test.

As all on here will know the PCR test is the test that is at the heart of the case scamdemic
sweeping the world.
Kary Mullis developed this test. He died on the 7th August 2019 aged 74. For his work he was awarded the 1993 Nobel prize in Chemistry.
Had he lived he would have been very vocal about the misuse of his test. Here is footage of him where he criticises Antony Fauci for knowing nothing. This makes for very interesting viewing—and it’s only a few minutes long.

https://brandnewtube.com/watch/you-must-watch-this-the-late-kary-mullis-inventor-of-pcr-test-on-antony-fauci_pZsspcFeSSMxVbT.html

295766 ▶▶ leggy, replying to Harry hopkins, 4, #1304 of 1591 🔗

I’d love to see the full length version of that.

295840 ▶▶ Ewan Duffy, replying to Harry hopkins, 2, #1305 of 1591 🔗

Kary Mullis’s comments were “fact checked” by thejournal.ie (a shameless dandelion rag) and obviously, they determined that as he died before COVID19, none of his comments about the limitations of his creation could apply to the PCR test.

295959 ▶▶ John P, replying to Harry hopkins, 3, #1306 of 1591 🔗

It’s not really a test.

It is a means of amplifying a sample of DNA for research purposes.

It is now being used as a test, but as a test it is flawed.

295780 p02099003, #1307 of 1591 🔗

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295781 Lockdown_Lunacy, replying to Lockdown_Lunacy, 20, #1308 of 1591 🔗

Sat next to a couple of corona fearing women at my daughter’s swimming lesson today. They were having a dismal conversation.

One of them has booked an OUTSIDE table for xmas dinner, because it’s risky inside.

One of them told her employer that she would turn around and drive home if she saw too many cars parked at the office car park.

One of them has a relative in London who caught COVID, it’s TERRIBLE there apparently.

Amusingly, both of them were worried about having the vaccine!

295785 ▶▶ Paul, replying to Lockdown_Lunacy, 10, #1309 of 1591 🔗

They’ve always got a relative in another part of the country who’s had covid and it’s always ‘terrible’ there.In the case of a chap in our street it was in Watford and it is ‘terrible’ there.I assume he mean’t the covid was terrrible,he could just have meant Watford I suppose.

295804 ▶▶▶ Lockdown_Lunacy, replying to Paul, 10, #1310 of 1591 🔗

A visit to Watford is worse than a bout of covid. Sorry Watfordians.

295882 ▶▶▶ Cranmer, replying to Paul, 1, #1311 of 1591 🔗

It is rather odd how all Covid cases seem to be with at least two degrees of separation. I only know of friends of friends who have had it; I know of only one grandmother of a friend who supposedly died from it (she was in her 90s).

295930 ▶▶▶▶ Lockdown_Lunacy, replying to Cranmer, 4, #1312 of 1591 🔗

I only know 1 person directly who has had it. My kids’ childminder had it and get this, she had a positive test with a high temperature was told to isolate for 2 weeks, as is standard. After two weeks, she felt fine and went for another test, which to her surprise, was positive again.

She called the doctor who said, well as you’ve not got a temperature anymore, there’s no problem! Her insurance company advised her to give it a week before returning to work, which she did.

I was keen to get the kids back to her asap for work, but it made a mockery of their so called testing system.

295786 Charlie Blue, replying to Charlie Blue, 5, #1313 of 1591 🔗

Probably already posted but this was published in the BMJ yesterday and Carl Heneghan has tweeted it
https://www.bmj.com/content/371/bmj.m4716
Conflicts of interest among the UK government’s covid-19 advisers

295801 ▶▶ RickH, replying to Charlie Blue, 2, #1314 of 1591 🔗

Ties in perfectly with Tom Jefferson’s 2017 opinion piece in the same journal about the ‘revolving door’ of government appointments.

295813 ▶▶▶ DRW, replying to RickH, 3, #1315 of 1591 🔗

Classic regulatory capture, the pharma giants have been historically very good at it.

295790 p02099003, replying to p02099003, 4, #1316 of 1591 🔗

Admissions for September 2019 to End of Jamuary 2020.
Red line is ITU admissions for the same period
This is for Leicester hospitals

295830 ▶▶ Two-Six, replying to p02099003, #1317 of 1591 🔗

Terrifying

295793 p02099003, replying to p02099003, 5, #1318 of 1591 🔗

This is a graph of the SARS-CoV-2 positive patients in blue and the ITU patients with symptoms of Covid19

295805 ▶▶ D B, replying to p02099003, #1319 of 1591 🔗

is it?

295995 ▶▶▶ p02099003, replying to D B, #1320 of 1591 🔗

No it’s not, it’s respiratory admissions 12 months ago, I loaded the pictures the wrong way round.

295829 ▶▶ Two-Six, replying to p02099003, 1, #1321 of 1591 🔗

Alarming!

295868 ▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to p02099003, 1, #1322 of 1591 🔗

Data source please.

295869 ▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Cheezilla, #1323 of 1591 🔗

Leicester hospitals. Found it below!
Official source link always useful though.

295872 ▶▶▶▶ p02099003, replying to Cheezilla, #1324 of 1591 🔗

FOI requests to UHL:

Please could you provide the following information relating to the period 1st September 2019 to 31st January 2020? I would appreciate it if the data can be provided on a week by week breakdown.

How many patients were admitted with respiratory infections? How many patients were admitted to ITU with complications associated with respiratory infections, including sepsis, pulmonary embolism or other clotting disorders?

For the period 1st March to 21st August 2020

a)  The number of patients admitted who tested positive for SARS-COV-2
b) The number of patients admitted who tested positive for SARS AND who showed signs and symptoms of CoViD19
c) The number of patients admitted into ITU with serious signs and symptoms of CoViD19, e.g. ARDS, abnormal clotting, other inflammatory symptoms including gastrointestinal and cardiac.
d) a breakdown of a – c on a week by week basis as well as total numbers
e)   The number of patients attending the emergency department (both adults and children) for whatever reason for each week since 1st March 2020.

295892 ▶▶▶ p02099003, replying to Cheezilla, 1, #1325 of 1591 🔗

Got the graphs the wrong way round, this one is for the admissions 12 months ago and the earlier one is for SARS-CoV-2 admissions
Also note that Leicester has been in full lockdown ever since, despite the drop off in the summer entirely due to testing.

295797 Sir Patrick Vaccine, replying to Sir Patrick Vaccine, 14, #1326 of 1591 🔗

Dear NINETEEN 31
Kay Burley’s Coronavirus Suspension Proves Hypocrisy of Media Elite
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zpW4GDidIq8

MP (who voted for lockdown) tells Andre Walker that they all know Coronavirus is nonsense

295821 ▶▶ James Marker, replying to Sir Patrick Vaccine, 7, #1327 of 1591 🔗

Yes, exactly so. It shows Rigby and co know the lockdown is nonsense. And yet they’ve been screaming for tougher measures. Why do they want to wreck the economy? Could this have something to do with their views on Brexit, perhaps?

295859 ▶▶ Matt The Cat, replying to Sir Patrick Vaccine, 7, #1328 of 1591 🔗

I did like Mr Silcock’s comment;

“The only ones wearing masks around town are smackheads and sheeple. Smackrats to stop police knowing who they are, and sheeple becaus they don’t know who THEY are.

295803 PastImperfect, 2, #1329 of 1591 🔗

Our brave police officers

https://youtu.be/fbt1jFWskd8

295807 NickR, replying to NickR, 5, #1330 of 1591 🔗

There’s been a lot of talk today about Havering having rising positive tests and leading London into Tier 3. No real data of course. Well, let’s take a look at Havering on a ‘cases’ per 100,000 basis compared to the areas around it.

295865 ▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to NickR, 1, #1331 of 1591 🔗

Wow!

295874 ▶▶ Two-Six, replying to NickR, #1332 of 1591 🔗

Concerning!

295879 ▶▶ DavidC, replying to NickR, #1333 of 1591 🔗

Is that genuinely zero or and artifact due to the latest day’s data not having been added yet?

DavidC

295924 ▶▶▶ NickR, replying to DavidC, #1334 of 1591 🔗

The data is always a bit dodgy for the prior few days….. actually the data is always dodgy!

295912 ▶▶ Ceriain, replying to NickR, 1, #1335 of 1591 🔗

Havering’s been a mess for a while.

In November ther were 619 deaths in London Region’s hospitals; 171 of those were in Barking, Havering and Redbridge University Hospitals NHS Trust – 27%.

I’ve been posting here on LS about this Trust for a while. They must know there’s a problem in the area, but they’ve done nothing about it.

Source: https://www.england.nhs.uk/statistics/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2020/12/COVID-19-total-announced-deaths-10-December-2020.xlsx

Tab 4 – Deaths by Trust

295808 annie, replying to annie, 7, #1336 of 1591 🔗

About the kids who were forced to eat mash with their hands.
Why don’t they bring their own eating utensils to school with them?

295817 ▶▶ Liam, replying to annie, 17, #1337 of 1591 🔗

Why don’t we drop all of this crap right now?

(I know you know this already Annie, it’s just my stock response when anybody discusses any of the actual details of this criminal lunacy).

295818 ▶▶ DRW, replying to annie, 3, #1338 of 1591 🔗

Haven’t some kids forgotten how to use cutlery anyway?

295824 ▶▶ Ewan Duffy, replying to annie, 7, #1339 of 1591 🔗

Probably be arrested by the Plod for carrying dangerous weapons.

295945 ▶▶▶ dhid, replying to Ewan Duffy, 1, #1340 of 1591 🔗

That genuinely wouldn’t surprise me.

295834 ▶▶ Laura Suckling, replying to annie, 15, #1341 of 1591 🔗

Annie, we have now reached peak stupidity. Of course, anyone with an once of common sense would have realized that cutlery goes through a machine with virus killing temperatures, or if that wasn’t clean enough could have provided disposable cutlery.

This horrible story made me laugh (I would have cried otherwise) what are we doing to the children?

I was thinking today about the long term consequences of very young children not seeing adults or other children without a face mask.

I predict, in years to come, a horrible increase in OCD, agoraphobia and social phobia.

295841 ▶▶▶ CGL, replying to Laura Suckling, 17, #1342 of 1591 🔗

I wish I shared your optimism that peak stupidity has been reached – I fear it will just keep climbing to new heights

295873 ▶▶▶ Bella, replying to Laura Suckling, 7, #1343 of 1591 🔗

In ten to fifteen years we will have an army of thugs because when they were kids they were abused and didn’t have the opportunity to learn empathy and compassion because they couldn’t see people’s faces. Tyrants need armies of thugs, what a convenient coincidence. .

295849 ▶▶ Lockdown_Lunacy, replying to annie, 6, #1344 of 1591 🔗

Damn, was this at school? I sometimes get a little frustrated with my daughter’s school for enforcing minor COVID nonsense like ‘class bubbles’. The more I hear, the luckier I feel that they have resisted going any further.

295896 ▶▶▶ Liam, replying to Lockdown_Lunacy, 1, #1345 of 1591 🔗

It’s in the above the line report today but here it is for your, er, delight.

https://metro.co.uk/2020/12/08/pupils-forced-to-eat-meals-with-hands-after-school-bans-knives-and-forks-13718405/

295911 ▶▶▶▶ Lockdown_Lunacy, replying to Liam, 1, #1346 of 1591 🔗

Oh my. That is a disgrace.

I’ll not moan about my daughter’s class bubbles of 30 or her online nativity play again then. That’s about as bad as it has got, I’ve now realised that they’re actually reasonably sane. They even sent out an email the other day confirming that they see no need to finish the term early, unlike some other schools I’ve heard about!

295858 ▶▶ Ben, replying to annie, 6, #1347 of 1591 🔗

Why not scrap the insane rules instead?

295861 ▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to annie, 3, #1348 of 1591 🔗

How is Yorkshire pudding, mashed potato and gravy considered a balanced meal?

295876 ▶▶▶ Bella, replying to Cheezilla, 13, #1349 of 1591 🔗

Substantial though so they can have a beer with it.

295947 ▶▶▶ dhid, replying to Cheezilla, 2, #1350 of 1591 🔗

Lovely – just needs a Scotch Egg – perfection!

295915 ▶▶ Old Normal, replying to annie, #1351 of 1591 🔗

Hopefully the kids didn’t have to smother their hands in sanitizer before using them to eat!

296049 ▶▶▶ annie, replying to Old Normal, 4, #1352 of 1591 🔗

They spray all the food with sanitiser before dishing it out. Stands to reason.
I think it is part of the government advice on Covvisafe Christmas dinner. You pour sanitiser over the pudding, then set it alight.

296217 ▶▶ richard riewer, replying to annie, #1353 of 1591 🔗

Plastic cutlery.

295827 AN other lockdown sceptic, replying to AN other lockdown sceptic, 23, #1355 of 1591 🔗

More vaccine propaganda on Spectator TV this evening:

https://youtu.be/bETtja7hZ7M?t=3368

Apparently, I’m hesitant and just need more reassurance / information on safety. Nope, I do not get why I need a vaccine for a disease with such a low IFR. The safety issue is secondary. Clown world.

296008 ▶▶ OKUK, replying to AN other lockdown sceptic, 2, #1356 of 1591 🔗

Exactly – if it was Medieval Bubonic Plague with an IFR of 50% I might give it a twirl, But I am not going to get vaccinated on the say-so of media numpties like Piers Morgan who declare the vaccine safe one day only to find the next day the DoH telling us how dangerous it can be for people with significant allergies. And even the makers Pfizers admit they have no idea how it will affect young women’s fertility.

296047 ▶▶▶ Lisa (formerly) from Toronto, replying to OKUK, 5, #1357 of 1591 🔗

I’m allergic to cats and might want to try for one more baby at 56. Can I get an exemption for the vaccine?

296050 ▶▶▶▶ annie, replying to Lisa (formerly) from Toronto, 2, #1358 of 1591 🔗

Sure you wanted babies and not kittens?

296095 ▶▶▶▶ OKUK, replying to Lisa (formerly) from Toronto, 1, #1359 of 1591 🔗

You are applying logic to a complex situation. I believe that’s illegal under the most recent Covid Regulations.

295851 George Mc, replying to George Mc, 27, #1360 of 1591 🔗

I have heard that, due to some adverse reactions to the wondrous new elixir, some may be exempt. To obtain more info, I turn to the Beeb and on their main page I find:

“Can people with allergies have the Covid vaccine?”

That sounds like the one to tell me. So I clock on it and the headline has changed:

“When will you be eligible for the Covid vaccine?”

Umm no I don’t want to be eligible for the vax. I want to avoid the fucker!

So let’s see what we’ve got …

Blah blah “…biggest mass vaccination campaign ….a jab that protects against Covid-19…. was found to be safe and effective … has been approved for mass use…”

Oh God spare me the fucking sales pitch!

“But how will the vaccine be rolled out, and can everyone take it?”

Don’t you just love the way they assume you’re simply gagging for the vax? No – I don’t want your fucking vax! Give me a loophole!

“Who will get the vaccine first?”

Oh for fuck’s sake! Don’t you understand? No-one who has avoided the fucking brainwashing on the TV wants your shitty vax!

Then we get a role call of those “lucky winners” who will get the big shot of ecstasy.

Love the optimism of this:

“People will be vaccinated twice – around 21 days apart – and full immunity starts seven days after the second dose.”

“full immunity starts”? Just like that! He taketh away the sins of the world!

Blah blah blah …who’s gonna get it, who’s gonna get it …

Fuck that! Who’s not going to get it!

“How many vaccine doses are there?”

Who fucking cares? Just tell me there aren’t nearly enough to go round!

“How many millions of doses of vaccine has the UK ordered?”

Oh I think I see what you’re up to now. Gradual inducement of despair as we realise we are being made that proverbial offer we can’t refuse. After all – you didn’t order all this poison for us to turn it down!

“Where will I get a vaccine?”

Gosh I think I’m slipping into hypnosis now ….yes… vaccine vaccine …I need a vacc… OH DAMN IT! FUCK OFF!

Quick! I need to get through this before I slip into another trance –

“You’ll be invited to book an..” NEXT!

“help with the rollout…” NEXT!

Oh hang on – there may be light at the end of this foulest of tunnels after all –

“Will everyone be vaccinated?”

Escape? Could we be in the clear at last?

“It won’t be compulsory though – no other vaccines in the UK are – as experts say this wouldn’t help create confidence in the vaccine.”

BURST OF HANDEL: “HALLELUJAH! HALLELUJAH! HALLELUJAH! HALLELUJAH! HALLELUJAH!”

But will this loophole truly continue?

Wait – there’s more:

“Can I pay to be vaccinated sooner?”

Seriously? Anyone would want to pay for this?

“You can’t jump the queue by paying for it,….”

AWW BOO HOO!

“…but there should be plenty of vaccine to go round.”

Your problem mate!

295913 ▶▶ Old Normal, replying to George Mc, 8, #1361 of 1591 🔗

That would be the ‘full immunity’ that the Head of Pfizer couldn’t confirm because he has no idea yet.

I really hope in my lifetime that the BBC implodes and never returns.

295918 ▶▶ DomW, replying to George Mc, 3, #1362 of 1591 🔗

So, after your first jab full immunity is achieved 28 Days Later. That phrase rings a bell for some reason.

295940 ▶▶ dhid, replying to George Mc, 2, #1363 of 1591 🔗

You need to “Just say no!”

296109 ▶▶ thinkaboutit, replying to George Mc, 1, #1364 of 1591 🔗

I don’t watch MSM so have no knowledge of this vaccine. Ignore, my brain is saying.

295866 John Stitch non stop dancer, replying to John Stitch non stop dancer, 29, #1365 of 1591 🔗

Can Nurses get any worse?During my shift today I was attending to a dying man he had advanced dementia/frailty minutes before his death I returned to his room only to find my colleague swabbing him for a pcr test.What can you say?.The same Home during a Public health spot check reported two care staff to the Police because they didn’t have the muzzles on correctly.I give up

295870 ▶▶ p02099003, replying to John Stitch non stop dancer, 15, #1366 of 1591 🔗

Words fail me.

295920 ▶▶▶ John Stitch non stop dancer, replying to p02099003, 5, #1367 of 1591 🔗

I recall Wilfred Owen referring to the Monkey in the sky tearing up pages of the Bible as the War raged.Im beginning to know that feeling.

296090 ▶▶▶▶ Cranmer, replying to John Stitch non stop dancer, 2, #1368 of 1591 🔗

On the subject of war poets, I often think of Sassoon and how he was persuaded to go into a mental hospital for the ‘crime’ of questioning the just cause of the First World War.

295970 ▶▶▶ Will, replying to p02099003, #1369 of 1591 🔗

Do you need signed consent from a parent to test a child?

295877 ▶▶ annie, replying to John Stitch non stop dancer, 17, #1370 of 1591 🔗

Utterly disgusting. Diabolical. This nurse is a disgrace to the human race, but less so than the fiends whose policies prompted him/her to act in that barbaric way.
Doubtless the poor victim will be recorded as a Covvideath.
To hell with the lot of them.

295886 ▶▶ DRW, replying to John Stitch non stop dancer, 7, #1371 of 1591 🔗

Shocking. Makes me thankful that my mum died with respectful home hospice care.

295887 ▶▶ Tenchy, replying to John Stitch non stop dancer, 7, #1372 of 1591 🔗

Contemptible beyond belief. The incident should be reported to whatever governing body is appropriate.

295894 ▶▶▶ John Stitch non stop dancer, replying to Tenchy, 10, #1373 of 1591 🔗

Problem is they would endorse such behaviour.This so called pandemic has released the inner sociopath in many care workers.

296053 ▶▶▶▶ annie, replying to John Stitch non stop dancer, 3, #1374 of 1591 🔗

It should still be reported. On the record. Evidence for Nuremberg.

295895 ▶▶▶ Charlie Blue, replying to Tenchy, 4, #1375 of 1591 🔗

And the governing body would probably give them a special commendation.

295905 ▶▶▶▶ p02099003, replying to Charlie Blue, 6, #1376 of 1591 🔗

This would come under a fitness to practice complaint to the NMC if a reistered nurse.

295891 ▶▶ Liam, replying to John Stitch non stop dancer, 6, #1377 of 1591 🔗

For the love of God. Mengele would have balked at this.

295899 ▶▶ Ceriain, replying to John Stitch non stop dancer, 6, #1378 of 1591 🔗

I’m so sorry you had to witness that. 🙁

295934 ▶▶ dhid, replying to John Stitch non stop dancer, 2, #1379 of 1591 🔗

I find that to be…
I really don’t know what I find that to be – but, it is quite sick that’s for sure.

295949 ▶▶ John Stitch non stop dancer, replying to John Stitch non stop dancer, 5, #1380 of 1591 🔗

Nursing attracts many untalented people. Borderline personality disorders with a pinch of Munchausen syndrome.(proxy)

295951 ▶▶ Will, replying to John Stitch non stop dancer, 15, #1381 of 1591 🔗

My daughter was admitted this week after her chemotherapy as she was almost continuously sick. While we were waiting for her to be put on a drip a couple of prick nurses decided it was necessary to stick a fucking swab up her nose in the couple of minutes between each vomit of black bile. If anyone had tried it again I would have broken their arms, and trust me, I am not exaggerating. She is five.

295964 ▶▶▶ DRW, replying to Will, 8, #1382 of 1591 🔗

Hope your daughter gets better Will.

295981 ▶▶▶▶ Will, replying to DRW, 8, #1383 of 1591 🔗

Her doctors were confident the sickness was caused by a… bug. Guess where shdd we had been since 9.00 the preceding morning…. she is much better though, thank you. Hopefully her condition seems to be receding as well but she won’t be having another Covid test.

295976 ▶▶▶ CGL, replying to Will, 8, #1384 of 1591 🔗

My God – I never think I can hear anything worse, and then I do.
I cannot comprehend what some people are having to go through Will – and you and your daughter fall into that category.
Wishing you and your daughter all the best and I hope she will be well again soon, bless her.

296043 ▶▶▶▶ annie, replying to CGL, 4, #1385 of 1591 🔗

Next time, Will, go ahead and break some arms. The sword of the Lord and of Gideon.

296044 ▶▶▶ Lisa (formerly) from Toronto, replying to Will, 7, #1386 of 1591 🔗

You are a warrior Will and so is your daughter. You’re enduring what no parent should have to endure and in the most horrific of circumstances. If you can stay sane and sceptical given what’s on your plate, the rest of us have no excuse.

296070 ▶▶▶ Laura Suckling, replying to Will, 1, #1387 of 1591 🔗

So sorry Will. What a horrible experience made much worse by people with no humanity. I wish you and your daughter well x

296152 ▶▶▶ John Stitch non stop dancer, replying to Will, #1388 of 1591 🔗

That’s awful I’m soo sorry you had to endure that.Hope all goes well

295875 theanalyst, replying to theanalyst, 36, #1389 of 1591 🔗

I think it is just plain nasty of the BBC to glamorize masks in schools and promote this agenda. They always seem to show pictures of girls in masks at school – rarely boys because the look is not so good. (think Guantanamo). Am I the only one who notices this? Are they a bunch of creeps? I think so.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-55265098

Also, very nasty of the Tory government to roll out more testing in schools. Leave our kids alone! They are mostly immune now and rarely pass it on.

I live outside a secondary school – 90% of kids seem not to be bothered by this nonsense but a small minority are probably being isolated and seriously damaged. I can see some standing alone in their masks waiting to go into school. 20 meters away from the rest. This does untold harm to their natural development. Nasty BBC and nasty Government. E.g. Think about deaf kids. How can they lip read? The bastards don’t care at all.

295885 ▶▶ DavidC, replying to theanalyst, 9, #1390 of 1591 🔗

Hancock can’t let up can he? It needs to be drummed into people just a how few people below the age of 20 have died with or from Covid19 and those who died with co-morbidites (yes, even people that young may have a co-morbidity). There was one young girl who died earlier in the year who, from recollection, was a suicide.

DavidC.

295888 ▶▶ Liam, replying to theanalyst, 7, #1391 of 1591 🔗

Savile was not an outlier at the BBC.

295889 ▶▶ Be Unshakeable, replying to theanalyst, 7, #1392 of 1591 🔗

The BBC loves child abuse. There’s something very wrong with those fuckers. Ever see the sculpture of Prospero and Ariel above the door at their HQ? Yeah….
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295897 ▶▶▶ Liam, replying to Be Unshakeable, 7, #1393 of 1591 🔗

Not to mention who sculpted it.

295901 ▶▶▶ Two-Six, replying to Be Unshakeable, 3, #1394 of 1591 🔗

Eric Gill
He did this one too for the BBC. This one is….stranger….
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eric_Gill

295909 ▶▶▶▶ Liam, replying to Two-Six, 4, #1395 of 1591 🔗

These people always hide in plain sight.

295943 ▶▶▶▶ Darryl, replying to Two-Six, 6, #1396 of 1591 🔗

The engraving on the book says ‘listen and obey’ . Which is exactly what 500 million viewers / listeners do every week after consuming their dose of propaganda.

The BBC are very attached to their Eric Gill sculptures and always used the grade 2 listing argument against removing them, yet other statues are listed and they are in favour of removing some of them.

295948 ▶▶▶▶▶ Two-Six, replying to Darryl, 2, #1397 of 1591 🔗

Dancing to the tune of the piper

295952 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Darryl, replying to Two-Six, 1, #1398 of 1591 🔗

Yes, BBC could be a force for good, but is now just a sinister propaganda machine injecting fake news narratives. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LatTXqS9AX4

295998 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ OKUK, replying to Darryl, 2, #1399 of 1591 🔗

BBC – Build Back Crappier.

295986 ▶▶▶▶▶ Iansn, replying to Darryl, 1, #1400 of 1591 🔗

i looked ti up you beat me :0

296102 ▶▶▶▶▶ Graham, replying to Darryl, #1401 of 1591 🔗

My dictionary tells me that ‘obsculta’ is a rare form of ‘ausculta’ which just means listen. Where do you get ‘obey’ from?

296146 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Darryl, replying to Graham, #1402 of 1591 🔗

It’s not from from English, at 2 minutes in this video it is said, I understand the source was a Cambridge scholar, there are more detailed videos elsewhere. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LatTXqS9AX4

295996 ▶▶▶▶ OKUK, replying to Two-Six, 1, #1403 of 1591 🔗

That Frank Bough was a wrong un’ as well.

295902 ▶▶ GiftWrappedKittyCat, replying to theanalyst, 7, #1404 of 1591 🔗

It’s always the same with the BBC. Think back to every story they’ve ever ran at exam results time and it’s always pictures of pretty, female, straight A students.

295982 ▶▶▶ Iansn, replying to GiftWrappedKittyCat, 4, #1405 of 1591 🔗

stop paying the fees people

295880 Jay Berger, replying to Jay Berger, 50, #1406 of 1591 🔗

A liberal politician in Austria has just tested a glass of cola positive for Corona, live in Parliament and during his speech.
Noone can be helped anymore who still believes in this farce.

295881 ▶▶ Tenchy, replying to Jay Berger, 14, #1407 of 1591 🔗
295908 ▶▶▶ Jonathan Palmer, replying to Tenchy, 9, #1408 of 1591 🔗

I used to love Corona Cream Soda in a glass bottle.

295936 ▶▶▶▶ Mabel Cow, replying to Jonathan Palmer, 6, #1409 of 1591 🔗

We used to have a Corona van that drove around the streets. We would run out with our empties and collect our deposit bounty and then immediately buy American Cream Soda with our pocket money. Good times.

295993 ▶▶▶▶▶ OKUK, replying to Mabel Cow, 3, #1410 of 1591 🔗

So I did remember correctly abiut American Cream Soda! Yes, we were the truly green generation – seeking out bottles for recycling.

296036 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ annie, replying to OKUK, 1, #1411 of 1591 🔗

You got 3d back on the bottle.We used to scour the beach for abandoned empties.

295990 ▶▶▶▶ OKUK, replying to Jonathan Palmer, 1, #1412 of 1591 🔗

Wasn’t there cream soda and also American cream soda? A friend use to have it with their meals. I wasn’t so fond of that.

295988 ▶▶▶ OKUK, replying to Tenchy, 3, #1413 of 1591 🔗

A fond memory from my boyhood. The luminescently green quart bottle of limeade was my favourite.

295904 ▶▶ JohnB, replying to Jay Berger, 1, #1414 of 1591 🔗

Any proof?

295907 ▶▶ Lockdown_Lunacy, replying to Jay Berger, 2, #1415 of 1591 🔗

Have you got a link to this? This would be good to share with some ‘beginner level’ sceptical friends!

295967 ▶▶▶ Les Tricoteuses, replying to Lockdown_Lunacy, #1416 of 1591 🔗

I can’t find a mention anywhere

296004 ▶▶ WhoIsButTheFormFollowingTheFunctionOfWhat, replying to Jay Berger, 1, #1417 of 1591 🔗
296059 ▶▶▶ WhoIsButTheFormFollowingTheFunctionOfWhat, replying to WhoIsButTheFormFollowingTheFunctionOfWhat, 4, #1418 of 1591 🔗

I’m not a native speaker, but a brief description of the video:

2:30 He goes on to say that the money went from taxpayer money into pharma companies and co.
2:36 That the measures taken have created both a social and economic crisis. Destroyed livelihoods, from family businesses to increase in unemployment
3:00 Masks don’t work (sie zwingen uns Masken zu tragen obwohl wir mittlerweile wissen dass die masken ueberhaupt nichts bringen)
3:04 No care of patients with other issues (sie behandeln unzaelige patienten nicht mehr)
3:43 You’ve taken out the freedoms of the people, the freedom to travel, the freedom to visit family and friends and the freedom of thought (die freiheit sie frei zu bewegen, die freiheit die familie und freunden zu sehen, aber auch die meinungsfreiheit)
3:58 No freedom of thought because very time that someone the measures taken by the goverment critically confronts, then they’re bullied and belittled(dass wenn jemand zurecht ihren massnahmen kritisch gegenuebersteht, dann machen sie die buerger in oesterreich, die oesterreicher und oesterreicherinnen, veraechtlicht )

Maybe someone with better german than myself can help out with other important parts I may have left out? 🙂

There seem to be more German speakers on here than you would expect to find in a typical cross-section of the British public. Komisch…

296071 ▶▶▶▶ crimsonpirate, replying to DJ Dod, #1420 of 1591 🔗

das macht schon sein

295884 Cecil B, replying to Cecil B, 10, #1421 of 1591 🔗

I’ve always eaten mash with my hands what’s the problem?

295898 ▶▶ Lockdown_Lunacy, replying to Cecil B, 6, #1422 of 1591 🔗

I just stick my head into it.

295974 ▶▶▶ OKUK, replying to Lockdown_Lunacy, 2, #1423 of 1591 🔗

I suck it up with a straw. Works a treat. These kids don’t know how easy they’ve got it.

296035 ▶▶▶▶ annie, replying to OKUK, 3, #1424 of 1591 🔗

The sweetest girl
I ever saw
Sucked mashed potato through a straw..

296080 ▶▶▶▶▶ OKUK, replying to annie, #1425 of 1591 🔗

Nice – is that a Haiku?

296085 ▶▶▶▶▶ Ceriain, replying to annie, 1, #1426 of 1591 🔗

But one day it got stuck and then..
I had to blow it out again..

296150 ▶▶▶▶ Lockdown_Lunacy, replying to OKUK, #1427 of 1591 🔗

That won’t work on lumpy school mash. The straw would get blocked instantly.

295903 sam, 2, #1428 of 1591 🔗

what are swedens views on the vaccine?anyone know?

295914 Sir Patrick Vaccine, replying to Sir Patrick Vaccine, 6, #1429 of 1591 🔗

Dear Four

Why Small Businesses Should Stay Closed Forever!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_O9ltm_Gml0

Every true word here is said in jest

296030 ▶▶ Lisa (formerly) from Toronto, replying to Sir Patrick Vaccine, 6, #1430 of 1591 🔗

Watched it this morning and JP Sears is amazing! I’ve also been reading that some California sheriffs are refusing to enforce what they consider to be the dictator’s, I mean governor’s, unconstitutional orders. Some sheriffs in Florida earlier on were also refusing to enforce mask mandates. I wish we had sheriff’s in Canada. A minor piece of positive news today — HBC (Hudson’s Bay Company) our oldest department store is demanding an emergency hearing to reverse the lockdown order of “non-essential” businesses in the greater Toronto area. We all know “the science” says that WHAT you are shopping for rather than where you shop determines how safe you are. Not that HBC is a small/medium-sized business, but at least they are challenging the idiocy of allowing Costco, Walmart, etc. to be open and not other retailers. If they win there will be trickle down effect, but I’m not sure we have a functioning court system at the moment so who knows if the emergency hearing will be granted in time for even last minute holiday shopping.

296079 ▶▶ Ceriain, replying to Sir Patrick Vaccine, 2, #1431 of 1591 🔗

JP’s videos are excellent; they also get me thinking about something…

I’ve noticed that people with very large numbers of subscribers don’t have their videos removed, even if they post videos saying all the “anti-covid” stuff that YouTube are removing videos for.

Could it be the ad revenue?

295919 Les Tricoteuses, replying to Les Tricoteuses, 22, #1432 of 1591 🔗

Following on from my previous post I almost had a run in with a ‘covid officer’ later at work. I didn’t realise what he was asking when stopped about a mask and breezily said I’ve got my respirator in my toolbox and walked off. Given how I was feeling it’s just as well I misunderstood as I’d have probably have got myself chucked off site.
Got me thinking though. My hearing is slightly impaired and I have trouble picking out a conversation in a noisy environment.
So from now on I will be refusing be talk to anyone wearing a mask beyond telling them to remove it so I can understand them. If they confuse my attitude with deafness so much the better.

295972 ▶▶ Iansn, replying to Les Tricoteuses, 9, #1433 of 1591 🔗

same for me i just hear wooly noises from behind a mask and cant understand a fucking thing

295932 Harry hopkins, replying to Harry hopkins, 43, #1434 of 1591 🔗

Bizarre behaviour.

I had occasion to wait around three hours in and around Harrogate hospital this morning and I must say it was something of an experience.. For about an hour I sat myself in the cafe and enjoyed a cup of tea and a bacon sandwich. If any of you think that supermarkets are strange places these days you need to get out more and sample the delights of our present day hospitals.

I truly feel that whenever I enter ‘Covid world’ (and that is as soon as I step outside my house) I have somehow been transported to planet Zog and I am walking around an alien planet, quite alone, and viewing my surroundings and the strange creatures that inhabit it through eyes other than my own. I find myself echoing the words of Richard Dreyfuss in the film ‘Close encounters of the third kind’—-“who are these people?”

I was transfixed and not a little amused by the antics of a youngish couple in the cafe sitting about fifteen feet away from me and tucking into something or other. When they finished they meticulously put on their masks, placed their disposable rubbish in the bin provided and then the lady of the two delved into her bag and fished out two paper hankies (probably antiseptic wipes for what followed) and gave her partner one of them. I was reading my James Herriot book at the time but the antics of a country vet soon became old hat when I became focussed on these two. As if in unison each of them stood up and began wiping down their laminated wooden chairs. They wiped the backs, the seats and believe it or not they then proceeded to wipe down the tubular steel legs, all four of them, with vigour and determination. This was way better than any book or I pad, that might pass the time: this was Covid reality and I had never before seen it applied with such gusto and enthusiasm.

But it was the final finale that had me stumped and I still can’t figure it out. The lady, when she had finished the complete sterilisation of her chair, then proceeded to grip the back with her right hand and lift said chair off the floor. She then turned around a full 360 degrees, chair in hand, and deposited chair back down again. If I hadn’t seen this with my own eyes I wouldn’t have believed it. What was this all about? Why did the chair need this circular motion? Is there something in Covid world that I’m missing? Is it done to confuse the virus? We know that Coroni doesn’t infect people who are sitting down but as soon as they stand up they are fair game but is this strange chair revolving, following a deep clean, meant as extra protection for any future sitters? The bloke didn’t do this, he just watched his partner….does gender come into it?

Covid world never fails to amaze and amuse me. Every day brings something new but chair manipulation of the kind I witnessed in Harrogate hospital exposed a whole new ritual that I never knew existed. I’m due to go back to Harrogate hospital next week, I can’t wait…..without doubt I’ll leave My Herriot book at home. Too much new entertainment to be savoured in Covid world!

296014 ▶▶ The Filthy Engineer, replying to Harry hopkins, 5, #1435 of 1591 🔗

Too much new entertainment to be savoured in Covid world!”

Entertainment value for sure. It’s pantomime gold 🙂

296063 ▶▶ annie, replying to Harry hopkins, 5, #1436 of 1591 🔗

An unsterilised chair?
I cannot bear
The idea.
Wave its legs in the air,
Free me from all care
And fear!
.

296115 ▶▶ A. Contrarian, replying to Harry hopkins, 3, #1437 of 1591 🔗

Probably an OCD safety behaviour. Like touching wood or saying hello to magpies.

296123 ▶▶▶ wayno, replying to A. Contrarian, 3, #1438 of 1591 🔗

We have to wear masks or Shields at work when moving around but mask free sitting at your desk, I was talking loudly to a colleague and the bloke in the desk ahead put on his mask. Apparently I talk too loud weird thing is he has had it but still uses his sleeve to open doors. You cant make this shit up.

295938 calchas, replying to calchas, 6, #1439 of 1591 🔗

Jon Rappoport:

“Now that governments are going to roll out “a vaccine to save the world” (see here and here ), people should become aware of a history they don’t know exists.
The article below was a small section of my book, AIDS INC. , which I wrote in 1987-8. At the time, I decided to take a look at vaccines and see what I could find out about them.

My ensuing research led me into all sorts of surprising areas.”

https://blog.nomorefakenews.com/2020/12/10/covid-vaccine-history-matters/

296161 ▶▶ DavidC, replying to calchas, #1440 of 1591 🔗

Very good read calchas. My degree was in Microbiology and I’ve been saying this since day one – the biggest changes in deaths from disease have come about as a result of changes in public health. Vaccines have played a (smaller) part but not the major one.

DavidC

295954 OKUK, replying to OKUK, 21, #1441 of 1591 🔗

Stunning, brilliant opening to the Bill of Complaint from Texas:

“Our Country stands at an important crossroads. Either the Constitution matters and must be followed, even when some officials consider it inconvenient or out of date, or it is simply a piece of parchment on display at the National Archive. We ask the Court to choose the former. ”

Imagine those lines delivered by Gregory Peck or Morgan Freeman!

The USA faces its biggest constitutional crisis since 1959 or even 1859 and the BBC deliberately refuses to report on it!

Meanwhile the Dems are using lockdownism and masking, as do globalists everywhere, to clamp down on dissent and divert from corrupt practices. In this they are supported and encouraged by BBC US reporters JSopel, A Zurcher and N Bryant who all have a venomous hatred of thePresident they no longer even bother to conceal.

296089 ▶▶ Ovis, replying to OKUK, 1, #1442 of 1591 🔗

Thanks for the update

296205 ▶▶ thinkaboutit, replying to OKUK, #1443 of 1591 🔗

And, to my total delight, Pennsylvania has joined in with an amicus brief…so Pennsylvania is suing Pennsylvania!

295956 theanalyst, replying to theanalyst, 3, #1444 of 1591 🔗

Some French people I know reckon this bloke they have as a Prime Minister, called Jean Castex, is like a Nazi. Say what they like but he has the power.

So anyway, the French now have an 8pm nationwide curfew from 15th Dec. Oops. That was the key message from his live TV address to 65 million previously free people today. New Years eve is off. At least for those who obey the rules.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9040483/France-announces-8pm-nationwide-curfew-start-Tuesday-NOT-lifted-New-Years-Eve.html

Will Boris be next? He is usually 1-2 weeks behind the French. Lets see.

295958 ▶▶ Two-Six, replying to theanalyst, 4, #1445 of 1591 🔗

ffs

295968 ▶▶ OKUK, replying to theanalyst, 16, #1446 of 1591 🔗

Macron’s thought bubble: “Well that’s liberty out of the way…now to kill off equality and fraternity. “

295971 ▶▶ Hugh, replying to theanalyst, 6, #1447 of 1591 🔗

How I hope that the Free French will rise to the occasion (those ‘Allo ‘Allo videos…).

I really wish we could organize something for new years eve, if the virus is back from its Christmas holiday by then.

296076 ▶▶▶ Pjb, replying to Hugh, #1448 of 1591 🔗

stopnewnormal.net are organising something for new years eve.
London of course…

295984 ▶▶ Darryl, replying to theanalyst, 5, #1449 of 1591 🔗

As long as you throw ‘free’ money at the French public they seem happy to go along with any restrictions as long as Covid is in the title. Perhaps he should have renamed the tyrannical security bill banning filming police as the ‘Covid 19 Global Security Bill’ – wouldn’t have had a single person out on the streets then. French have been completely conned by the state media.

296002 ▶▶▶ theanalyst, replying to Darryl, 5, #1450 of 1591 🔗

I am not 100% sure what is going on in France.

They can easily oppose the security bill in force due to political organisation but I know they absolutely hate masks and the restrictions. I think they they go along with it because of Macron led fear and intimidation. Their police have guns, they do issue fines, and they do intimidate. They also have many Vichy types who readily denounce others in public. The French administrative (government) workers are almost sworn to government allegiance. They will wear masks to the end. This means a lot of French people are voluntarily enslaved for their own financial and political reasons and gain. Weird.

296011 ▶▶▶▶ Darryl, replying to theanalyst, 2, #1451 of 1591 🔗

France seems incredibly unfree, but I guess that is the price of having a huge state. Too many people just follow orders to keep their job for life and hope of an early retirement.
Many of the French police do seem particularly awful ours are a few years behind but starting to look similar in appearance and reaction to the public.

296031 ▶▶▶▶▶ theanalyst, replying to Darryl, 1, #1452 of 1591 🔗

My French in laws are booked into a local hotel here from 27th to 29th December. I bet, knowing them, and despite the so called rules, they will get here anyway. If not we will visit them. Uncertain times.

296075 ▶▶▶▶ sam, replying to theanalyst, 2, #1453 of 1591 🔗

i have 2 friends in france who are indoctrinated in the new religion wont listen to me at all. they watch and read mainstream news all the time , have lost all respect for a previously best friend ,barely speak anymore .

think people who dont wear masks are spreading a deadly plague etc

296082 ▶▶▶▶▶ theanalyst, replying to sam, 4, #1454 of 1591 🔗

Know what you mean. Some are completely messed up. I think it was the harshness of their first lockdown. Macron is evil.

296208 ▶▶▶▶▶ Borisbullshit, replying to sam, #1455 of 1591 🔗

Let them go…who needs them.

296210 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ sam, replying to Borisbullshit, #1456 of 1591 🔗

w e ve been friends almost since childhood would be too sad. will try to convince them and can always say ‘ told you so ‘! some day i hope

295966 arfurmo, replying to arfurmo, #1457 of 1591 🔗
295991 ▶▶ calchas, replying to arfurmo, 8, #1458 of 1591 🔗

In Germany the first city to be officially ‘covid free’ in April was not Jena, or indeed any other city which mandated masks, but Rostock, whch did not mandate masks in any way,

The artcle does not mention Rostock.

I don’t know why not.

295997 ▶▶ Les Tricoteuses, replying to arfurmo, 2, #1459 of 1591 🔗

Looks like choosing your data to fit your theory to me. Also stating a cause and effect without any proof of a relationship.

296166 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to arfurmo, 1, #1460 of 1591 🔗

You will find studies like this. It’s not an RCT for one. So there are better studies on do masks work.

But if there is no effect, or little that can be held up as a reason to slap them on our kids, you’ll surely find a place, given how many parts of the world have done this, where masks went in and cases went down.

It’s noise. If they had landed on some magic beans it would explain all those places where it has done nothing who are seeing identifoal seasonal uptick in respiratory.

But no. This study is just a “look over there, this happened” piece.

It’s still interesting but I don’t think it adds anything to the current debate which had many observational studies around.

295969 The Mask Exempt Covid Marshall, replying to The Mask Exempt Covid Marshall, 22, #1461 of 1591 🔗

If I’m getting sick of arguing against this nonsense, saying the same things over and over, why are those freaks ‘in charge of us’ not? Literally, all they ever do is threaten us with more lockies, mandating face muzzles in yet more places and bleat on and on ad nauseum about ‘amazing’ vaccines that might just also be mandated.

It really is getting fucking boring now.

295989 ▶▶ Hieronimusb, replying to The Mask Exempt Covid Marshall, 7, #1462 of 1591 🔗

Yes but they are receiving eye-watering amounts of cash for peddling their fictions which evidently allows them to stay focused quite admirably. May their ill-gotten gains bring them nothing but misery. Boredom is just for those who can’t afford anything better.

296020 ▶▶▶ The Mask Exempt Covid Marshall, replying to Hieronimusb, 4, #1463 of 1591 🔗

Well, neither Whitty nor Johnson seem to be particularly happy people to me.

296088 ▶▶▶▶ Hieronimusb, replying to The Mask Exempt Covid Marshall, 1, #1464 of 1591 🔗

So there is justice! Just not enough of it.

Even MSM headline drivel all slots into about five categories:
A) Surging cases B) New measures C) New symptoms D) Long term damage E) Vax-prop

296016 ▶▶▶ Hieronimusb, replying to DRW, 1, #1466 of 1591 🔗

Vax pop

296029 ▶▶▶▶ annie, replying to Hieronimusb, 3, #1467 of 1591 🔗

Vaxx populum, vaxx Deum?

296033 ▶▶▶▶▶ Hieronimusb, replying to annie, #1468 of 1591 🔗

Vax vacuum.

295983 George Mc, 9, #1469 of 1591 🔗

I suppose that most have already read this Lockdown Sceptics article. It seems to me to be the finest survey of the entire “pandemic”:

https://lockdownsceptics.org/the-pcr-false-positive-pseudo-epidemic/

And one thing that comes across very well is that Dr Yeadon freely uses the term “herd immunity” without any pejorative connotations. It is sobering to muse on that and realise how this term was so gladly picked up and demonised with absolute uniformity across the media and the “alternative” (Left) media too cf. the World Socialist Website’s endless references to “murderous” herd immunity. The WSW would now seem to be launched on a campaign (and I kid you not) to denaturalise death itself (?!)

In a recent argument over covid with a friend who has bought entirely into the official rap, I brought up the name of Dr Yeadon and this friend said, “Well you’ll always get these maverick doctors.” And once again I realised the futility of talking with someone who has been raised on a TV culture which he has never once criticised and wouldn’t even know how to.

295987 John P, replying to John P, 12, #1470 of 1591 🔗

Just to be clear again. Someone else on here is quoting Whitty as though Whitty knows what he is talking about. Jesus, I despair! The man talks out of his arse.

If I put this in capitals will you promise to read it?

VACCINES CONFER IMMUNITY.

If they work. That is their purpose. They have NOTHING to do with reducing symptoms.

I quote from my old dictionary. Emphasis mine:

Chambers 21st Century Dictionary (1996 edition) in order to find a working definition of what a vaccine is (or is supposed to be). I quote, page 1567:

“vaccine. noun. 1 (medicine) A preparation containing killed or weakened (attenuated) bacteria or viruses, or serum containing specific antibodies, used in vaccination to confer