Last updated2020-12-12T02:59:06



296218 Cecil B, replying to Cecil B, 51, #1 of 1863 🔗

A celebratory has died and it’s not covid

How was that allowed to happen?

The pig dictator is slipping

296219 ▶▶ Cecil B, replying to Cecil B, 8, #2 of 1863 🔗

Oh! and first by the way

I knew there would be an upside to that dodgy mutton tikka

296220 ▶▶▶ Ceriain, replying to Cecil B, 5, #3 of 1863 🔗

Oh! and first by the way

Judy Watson’s gonna be real angry at you, Cecil. 😉

296244 ▶▶▶▶ Sir Patrick Vaccine, replying to Ceriain, 10, #4 of 1863 🔗


Why Small Businesses Should Stay Closed Forever!



Every true word here is said in jest

296245 ▶▶▶▶ Sir Patrick Vaccine, replying to Ceriain, 7, #5 of 1863 🔗

Dear Lockdown me

MP (who voted for lockdown) tells Andre Walker that they all know Coronavirus is nonsense

Kay Burley’s Coronavirus Suspension Proves Hypocrisy of Media Elite

296290 ▶▶▶▶ Judy Watson, replying to Ceriain, 12, #6 of 1863 🔗

Not at all – my wifi expired today so I had to get a top up. Walked to the shop – couldn’t get it as I didn’t have my passport.
So now in my mates restaurant using his wifi

296544 ▶▶▶▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Judy Watson, #7 of 1863 🔗

You need a passport to top up wi fi ?

297177 ▶▶▶▶▶ Mr Dee, replying to Judy Watson, 1, #8 of 1863 🔗

Was your WiFi classed as a Covid fatality?

297628 ▶▶▶▶ Sir Patrick Vaccine, replying to Ceriain, #9 of 1863 🔗

Dear judy
L IES 😳 “Closing Pubs & Restaurants Zero Effect” 🤦‍♂️ Dutch Study Leak

296223 ▶▶ chaos, replying to Cecil B, 6, #10 of 1863 🔗

yet corona will still carry on…

296225 ▶▶▶ Cecil B, replying to chaos, 6, #11 of 1863 🔗

Up your Khyber

296240 ▶▶▶▶ annie, replying to Cecil B, 4, #12 of 1863 🔗

At Your Convenience.

296543 ▶▶▶▶▶ HelenaHancart, replying to annie, 3, #13 of 1863 🔗

I’ll just Carry on Screaming…

296749 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Nigel Sherratt, replying to HelenaHancart, 4, #14 of 1863 🔗

Infamy, infamy …

297570 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Monty Greene, replying to Nigel Sherratt, 6, #15 of 1863 🔗

The laughter hit of 2020…

Carry On Covid!


Whitty……………………….Kenneth Williams
Vallance……………………Sid James
Matt Hancock…………….Jim Dale
Boris Johnson……………Terry Scott
Dido Harding……………..Barbara Windsor
Matron………………………Hattie Jacques
Plasma Donor…………….Tony Hancock
Viral Particle………………Spike Milligan
Neil Ferguson…………… Charles Hawtrey

With a supporting cast of clapped-out dodgy models.

296248 ▶▶ Janice21, replying to Cecil B, 7, #16 of 1863 🔗

How nice that her husband was able to be by her side in a care home off the last 7 days.

297900 ▶▶▶ Silke David, replying to Janice21, 1, #17 of 1863 🔗

Celebrities get treated differently than us commoners.

296696 ▶▶ NorthumbrianNomad, replying to Cecil B, 6, #18 of 1863 🔗

She escaped by the skin of her teeth. Imagine how much deader she’d be if she’d had covid.

(Sorry, I know she’s a national treasure and everything but I mean no malice. Just having a larf.)

296221 Ceriain, replying to Ceriain, 21, #19 of 1863 🔗

Second again.

Shame about Babs; happy she’s no longer suffering, though.

RIP Babs, say hello to Sid for me.

296236 ▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Ceriain, 9, #20 of 1863 🔗

I’m still boycotting Aylesbury since, when staying with relatives, I attempted to see Carry On Camping at the ABC Cinema.
It was rated AA but the cashier said I didn’t look 14. Which was true (12 actually) but she ignored my protestations “it’s been on the bloody telly !”

296765 ▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to karenovirus, 2, #21 of 1863 🔗

Very adult vocabulary for as 12 year old.

296222 Cecil B, replying to Cecil B, 78, #22 of 1863 🔗

Ms Nokes provides yet more evidence (if any more were needed) of the thickness of our MP’s

It is not clear from the article if Ms Nokes parents have mental capacity

If they do have mental capacity it is a clear breach of The Mental Capacity Act for her to make decisions about them in the way that she has

For her to talk about her own parents in this way is disgusting and reprehensible

296224 ▶▶ Cecil B, replying to Cecil B, 23, #23 of 1863 🔗

Prior to her election Nokes was Chief Executive of the National Pony Club

Well that’s good to know

In August 2011, Nokes joined a Parliamentary delegation to Equatorial Guinea , an African country criticised for its human rights record.

They have better human rights than us or her parents

Her father is a former MEP

On second thoughts perhaps they deserve each other

296551 ▶▶▶ fiery, replying to Cecil B, 16, #24 of 1863 🔗

This stupid women will have unwittingly created a whole host of other long term health problems for her parents by infantilising them and keeping them a prisoner in their home. I don’t have children but I’d tell anyone to f**k of if they tried this tactic with me.

297320 ▶▶▶▶ GiftWrappedKittyCat, replying to fiery, 8, #25 of 1863 🔗

My parents are in their mid seventies and it would be them telling me to f**k off if I tried that with them!

296228 ▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Cecil B, 10, #26 of 1863 🔗

It would have been bad enough if she had said she Illegally detained her own parents for their safety.

296771 ▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to karenovirus, 4, #27 of 1863 🔗

I did wonder why they didn’t just get a taxi!

296241 ▶▶ annie, replying to Cecil B, 10, #28 of 1863 🔗

Thick? Sadistic.

296250 ▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to Cecil B, 31, #29 of 1863 🔗

If I was her mum I would have slapped her on the face hard and disowned her.

Not a good way to treat your parents Caroline. Hope your kids didn’t read your comments and give them ideas. Remember you will grow old as well and what then?

296440 ▶▶▶ rose, replying to Bart Simpson, 16, #30 of 1863 🔗

I hope they cut her out of their will

296401 ▶▶ Fiona Walker, replying to Cecil B, 21, #31 of 1863 🔗

They revel in it. The snowflake board that I follow (for trolling purposes) is full of people “setting my parents right” “sent my mum for a test” “told my dad he had to stay in” etc etc. Self righteous puritans in the Saffy from Ab Fab mode whilst their poor parents, with much more life experience and independence, are treated as children. Glad I never had kids.

296494 ▶▶ Hampshire Sceptic, replying to Cecil B, 7, #32 of 1863 🔗

Her father, Roy Perry, was leader of Hampshire County Council until fairly recently. He is still a county councillor so I find it odd that his bossy daughter should treat him in this way.

296743 ▶▶▶ Nigel Sherratt, replying to Hampshire Sceptic, 3, #33 of 1863 🔗

Oh what dear daughter ’neath the sun
Would treat a father so
To wait upon him hand and foot
And always tell him, “No?”

Tears of Rage

296768 ▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Cecil B, 8, #34 of 1863 🔗

Boasting about her behaviour.

What is it about Tory MPs and bragging?

297105 ▶▶▶ Borisbullshit, replying to Cheezilla, 9, #35 of 1863 🔗

I have long thought the quality of recent Labour MPs was a poor shadow of what they used to be. I now realise the Tory MPs are even worse…what a ghastly shower most of them are. I shall never vote for any of the main parties ever again…..utter shit.

296226 Moomin, replying to Moomin, 2, #36 of 1863 🔗

Apparently Leeds hospitals are at covid capacity or worse. Can anyone confirm this or provide details of admissions/cases there?

296229 ▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Moomin, 28, #37 of 1863 🔗

From previous examples elsewhere it will mean that beds prior allocated to Covid will be full.
Some months ago Blackpool Royal Victoria Hospital was said by Sky News to be ‘full of Covid patients’.
A whistleblower revealed that all 8 Covid allocated beds were indeed full, out of 767.
ie barely 1%.

296513 ▶▶▶ mjr, replying to karenovirus, 22, #38 of 1863 🔗

my sock drawer is full – overflowing. cant get another sock in there. the other three drawers are almost empty though. but those socks really concern me

296514 ▶▶▶ crimsonpirate, replying to karenovirus, 4, #39 of 1863 🔗

Again hardly overwhelming. Someone posted on a friends FB when they challenged the narrative “if you can’t post facts it’s all bollix”. I copied in the link for the stats-in this case-Burnley and wrote. “here’s some facts-I can post more”

296461 ▶▶ Coronabonus, replying to Moomin, 2, #40 of 1863 🔗

Adapnation has info on all NHS England trusts.

296506 ▶▶ crimsonpirate, replying to Moomin, 2, #41 of 1863 🔗

figures don’t look too bad according the official stats. Whenever I hear this kind of thing-usually posted on FB to frighten folk I go on the official stats-type in a postcode (I choose the local football teams address).

296519 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to Moomin, 2, #42 of 1863 🔗

Adapnation.io have an interactive hospitals dashboard will give you that info

296724 ▶▶ mattghg, replying to Moomin, 1, #43 of 1863 🔗

They do seem to be struggling to find ICU beds, just glancing at the data here: https://adapnation.io/covid-insights/#h-nhs-england-insights

296231 karenovirus, replying to karenovirus, 66, #44 of 1863 🔗

London going into tier 3 just before Xmas?
Fantastic ! Bring it on.
The harsher the regime grinds down the population the sooner and more surely they will rise up overthrow their illegitimate masters.

Welcome to the Leninist school of lockdown Sceptics.

296232 ▶▶ Mark H, replying to karenovirus, 41, #45 of 1863 🔗

I feel the same. I’m cheering on harsher restrictions, 7 months after the first lockdown. Good. Give ‘em what they’ve been clamouring for all these months. Give ‘em at Christmas.

It seems with each new lockdown roll out, more sceptics are created.

296242 ▶▶▶ annie, replying to Mark H, 24, #46 of 1863 🔗

Maybe, but the price is too high. More enslavement can never be good.

296252 ▶▶▶▶ karenovirus, replying to annie, 2, #47 of 1863 🔗

That’s what the Social Democrats and other collaborators said about the Tsarist regime.

296584 ▶▶▶▶ HelenaHancart, replying to annie, 18, #48 of 1863 🔗

I agree. No more enslavement. But I’m in Kent, in Tier 3, and the gloom is palpable as the miseries in masks, sneer and moan, especially at those not wearing naps, because we’re IRRESPONSIBLE, and their Christmas is being spoilt by US selfish ones! Had a couple of incidents yesterday in town with arrogant maskies who attacked not only me but each other for NOT OBEYING THE RULES! I seriously think these people are going to be damaged for life.

297111 ▶▶▶▶▶ Borisbullshit, replying to HelenaHancart, 5, #49 of 1863 🔗

I hope you gave them a damn good slapping….god help any zealot who attacks me.

296384 ▶▶▶ Danny, replying to Mark H, 13, #50 of 1863 🔗

Do understand what you mean, but there’s a hell of a lot of us skeptics living in London that would be economically, and psychologically crippled by this too.

296263 ▶▶ PastImperfect, replying to karenovirus, 4, #51 of 1863 🔗

There are too many that will be glad to fight the virus with more vigour.

296277 ▶▶▶ karenovirus, replying to PastImperfect, 2, #52 of 1863 🔗

Let them eat Xmas Pudding.

296303 ▶▶ Jane in France, replying to karenovirus, 27, #53 of 1863 🔗

At least you don’t live in Belgium. Spare a thought for the Belgians. Four people maximum at Christmas but only in the garden. And only if you don’t have to pass through the house to get to the garden. Among the guests in the garden only one is allowed to enter the house to use the loo. What happens if the others need to go? They have to return home. Or squat among the trees like Rex the dog. It’s all in the Brussels Times except for the bit about Rex.

296626 ▶▶▶ cubby, replying to Jane in France, 13, #54 of 1863 🔗

Also, the health minister has banned sex in groups of 3 or more people! Barbaric!
Golfers are allowed to play in groups of four, though – I think I spot a loophole…..

296662 ▶▶▶▶ karenovirus, replying to cubby, 4, #55 of 1863 🔗

Dogging golfers ?

297432 ▶▶▶▶▶ T. Prince, replying to karenovirus, 2, #56 of 1863 🔗

Hole in one?

296998 ▶▶▶▶ The Filthy Engineer, replying to cubby, 2, #57 of 1863 🔗

It’s strange isn’t it? The statement is implicit in saying that Belgians like a bit of the old ménage a tois. As noted about the “loophole” I would just say that I was going for the hole in one. There could also be a snooker reference about not being able to make up my mind whether to go for the pink or the brown.

296651 ▶▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Jane in France, 5, #58 of 1863 🔗

Eurocrats exempt?

297333 ▶▶▶ Ben, replying to Jane in France, 1, #59 of 1863 🔗

Belgium has a dark past re slavery and colonialism.

296313 ▶▶ PatrickF, replying to karenovirus, 52, #60 of 1863 🔗

I was in Spitalfields market yesterday. The vast majority of stall holders and shoppers NOT wearing masks!

296320 ▶▶▶ Lili, replying to PatrickF, 8, #61 of 1863 🔗


296595 ▶▶▶ Fingerache Philip., replying to PatrickF, 5, #62 of 1863 🔗


296599 ▶▶▶ HelenaHancart, replying to PatrickF, 8, #63 of 1863 🔗

I watched one of those lovely vids on YT where the person walks around places, mostly London, without commentary. They were in Covent Garden and it was great to see a bit of normality and jollity, and very few naps. Although in the comments, the coronaphobes were out in force.

296386 ▶▶ Bungle, replying to karenovirus, 1, #64 of 1863 🔗

Great stuff- is it named after John Lenin? Imagine?

296412 ▶▶ Bugle, replying to karenovirus, 6, #65 of 1863 🔗

Will the TSG be going home for Christmas?

296522 ▶▶▶ crimsonpirate, replying to Bugle, 5, #66 of 1863 🔗

if they do, and there is a no deal Brexit, they might not able to get back so easily!

296530 ▶▶▶ James Leary #KBF, replying to Bugle, 1, #67 of 1863 🔗

Yes – your home.

296517 ▶▶ crimsonpirate, replying to karenovirus, 3, #68 of 1863 🔗

don’t worry, Hancock has responded, gazelle like, and ordered immediate testing in secondary schools using lateral flow method tests. Wonder if they will reduce the positive tests?

296700 ▶▶ Jay Berger, replying to karenovirus, 2, #69 of 1863 🔗

I doubt it.
If only the media will continue to frame it as having public support.
And like everywhere else, seasonality will ensure that any policy can be sold as a success henceforth.

297063 ▶▶ Ben, replying to karenovirus, 5, #70 of 1863 🔗

I cannot agree with this. Businesses will fold and people will choose suicide

Testing, face masks, lockdowns and restrictions are crimes against humanity

297110 ▶▶ Borisbullshit, replying to karenovirus, 4, #71 of 1863 🔗

Yes it serves all the zealots right…feel sorry for those businesses that might have to some extent resisted though….but not for those enthusiastic compliers. But the basic point remains the sheep will not wake up until all societal activity has been terminated…especially their pensions and salaries.

297273 ▶▶ TyLean, replying to karenovirus, 11, #72 of 1863 🔗

You make a foolish mistake I see most making…. you can’t penalise them into waking up…. BECAUSE THEY FUCKING LOVE THIS!! They are reveling in it. It’s masochistic martyrdom. Like our Dipshit MP quoted above…. poor her, the despotic victim, forced to do such things against her own parents at the alter of the NHS. Like the sacrifice of a certain son to god.

Bring it on… INDEED… they’d quite like that. It’s their new Covidian religion. The spiritual void in the Atheists has been filled by The State. I am an atheist, so obviously not all, but far too many, and I’ve noticied the company I keep is becoming increasingly religious and spiritual as a result.

One need look no further than the masochistic zealots in New Zealand and Victoria to see this is a game you can’t win by giving them what they want.

297424 ▶▶▶ Binra, replying to TyLean, 1, #73 of 1863 🔗

the ‘identity’ of apparent escape from terror to moral righteousness is an archetypal pattern. Its a new form of an old norm.


Lockdown: The New Tribalism

That points us in the right direction.

Your emotional reaction might set you in righteous self-justifiction too.
That’s up to you to discern.

Deep fear is not available to rationality.
Rationality is invoked to justify the masking over of fear – and it projecting our away from self.
Reason doesn’t take the bait in the first place.
Losing our reason is nor being in our right mind.

Restoring reason is releasing investment in the mind trap.
But under masked fear, such a mind is experienced as compellingly real and tyrannical. No questioning allowed – just lockdown, distance and mask until the habit sets in as immunity to thinking for yourself and a new pair of genes.

296233 karenovirus, replying to karenovirus, 23, #74 of 1863 🔗

From the roundup, ‘Coronor speaks out . . . 7 suicide verdicts in 3 days . . .’

During actual lockdown (late March to early June) Local Live (mirror group news) ran a daily dribble of one, two or sometimes three articles along the lines ‘man found dead on bridge in car’, ‘woman found dead below cluffs’ or ‘well known publican found dead at home’.
These stories invariably ended with ‘police say there are no suspicious circumstances and the coroner has been informed’.

The word ‘suicide’* was never used but for those who hadn’t cottoned on these articles, but not others, were frequently accompanied by an ad from the Samaritans.

For the past month or so these sorts of stories have disappeared. Is it because people have stopped committing suicide or has it got so bad it is being suppressed altogether ?

* so a Google search would not bring it up ?

296271 ▶▶ Tom Blackburn, replying to karenovirus, 6, #75 of 1863 🔗

Young people topping themselves en mass no longer shifts copy it seems.

296453 ▶▶ Burlington, replying to karenovirus, 3, #76 of 1863 🔗

*Try using a different search engine like Duck Duck Go!

296515 ▶▶▶ mjr, replying to Burlington, 4, #77 of 1863 🔗

yeah, but if the reports specifically omit the word “suicide” then search for suicides wont work on duck duck go either.. that was the point being made

296959 ▶▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to mjr, 2, #78 of 1863 🔗

The Universe wants you to improve your search technique. 🙂

296674 ▶▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Burlington, 2, #79 of 1863 🔗

I read local live for the same reason I listen to the BBC, to know what lies are being disseminated, I believe I am informed enough to resist them thanks largely to LS.

297430 ▶▶▶▶ Binra, replying to karenovirus, 1, #80 of 1863 🔗

If you truly rest in the peace of your being, then lies have not poisoned your mind. If you have to resist – then perhaps – you are emotionally invested in narratives that are framing what and how you think.

By all means grow in discernment by practicing it.
Education in the discernment of weaponised and marketised manipulation presenting as communication, care or concern is perhaps one the the most primary tools for the releasing of a collective hypnosis.

296525 ▶▶ crimsonpirate, replying to karenovirus, 2, #81 of 1863 🔗

In London these days hardly a day goes by without a person hit by a train or on the tracks

296856 ▶▶ Ben, replying to karenovirus, 5, #82 of 1863 🔗

The Irish government stopped recording suicides during lockdown. Obviously, the guilty conceal their crimes

296234 karenovirus, replying to karenovirus, 25, #83 of 1863 🔗

From Wills first item.
Mass testing of 9,453 Cambridge students
Found just 10 positive, all of them false.

Same here, 6k students with just 3 positives, none in the past week so safe for granny to come over on Xmas day.

Our University tried to impose lockdown light which would have been entirely counterproductive as it would have meant some students still getting Covid in December and taking it home.

Happily they roundly ignored it and mingled away as students will despite the best efforts of the police and uni security.

296439 ▶▶ Marialta, replying to karenovirus, 5, #84 of 1863 🔗

What’s happening with the student anti lockdown group? I haven’t heard much recently

296235 Lisa (formerly) from Toronto, replying to Lisa (formerly) from Toronto, 69, #85 of 1863 🔗

I was just trying to watch mindless TV this evening and I can’t even do that without getting angry at some Covid nonsense. A Cadbury commercial came on and it had a bunch of people on a bus — an occurrence utterly mundane prior to 2020. But the commercial included a disclaimer making it clear that the commercial had been filmed prior to the pandemic and social distancing requirements. FFS!!! Is it now necessary to warn us against anything normal??? Heaven forbid we should be corrupted by seeing people not wearing masks on a bus and sitting next to strangers.

296238 ▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Lisa (formerly) from Toronto, 8, #86 of 1863 🔗

I get YouTube ads with a British Gas fitter inside someone’s home with no mask; no disclaimer thankfully.

296612 ▶▶▶ HelenaHancart, replying to karenovirus, 3, #87 of 1863 🔗

I’ve noticed a lot of adverts on YT recently that feature sheep, cows and goats. Coincidence, maybe?

296239 ▶▶ annie, replying to Lisa (formerly) from Toronto, 39, #88 of 1863 🔗

We record all programmes and watch them later.That way, we can fast forward through the ads. Keeps our blood pressure down.

Above all things, we need to remember Normal and remind people of Normal. Miserable, muzzled slavery is NOT NORMAL.

296281 ▶▶▶ TJN, replying to annie, 8, #89 of 1863 🔗

Indeed, whether we like it or not, it seems that the centre of gravity of normality is slowly being shifted.

296340 ▶▶▶▶ Ovis, replying to TJN, 8, #90 of 1863 🔗

Only for the weak-minded.

296555 ▶▶▶▶▶ Rowan, replying to Ovis, 8, #91 of 1863 🔗

There’s an awful lot of weak minds though.

297456 ▶▶▶▶ Binra, replying to TJN, 1, #92 of 1863 🔗

There is the conditioning of repeated experience – but then there is the conditioning of persistent reaction to experience.
We will meet the ongoing experience, in various ways in our lives, but our response is where our primary conditioning occurs.
The discipline of using a negative experience or adverse conditions to generate a positive or integrative response is the aligning to integrity of being, regardless external conditions.
Fear thinks this is either impossible or so big a task as bound to fail.
Willingness for love’s honesty now, listens for the heart instead of mind-noise and finds one step that, repeated in every temptation that is noticed before taking us for a ride, becomes a new ‘habit’. Except it is not habitual subconscious reactions, but a willingness to bring ourselves present to the situation at hand.

296273 ▶▶ Fingerache Philip., replying to Lisa (formerly) from Toronto, 33, #93 of 1863 🔗

As if the “Hands, face,space” wasn’t patronising enough, now we we have the farcical “And open a window to let in fresh air, blah,blah, etc.”
Best of luck with that then with my 95 year old mother in law!!

296323 ▶▶▶ Lili, replying to Fingerache Philip., 13, #94 of 1863 🔗

Yes. Mostly Oxford and Cambridge.

296413 ▶▶▶ TheBluePill, replying to Fingerache Philip., 15, #95 of 1863 🔗

Met a friend in a tier 2 pub last week. She hasn’t been watching any propaganda. She looked out of the window at the apartments alongside the canal basin, and wondered why most of the windows were open on a freezing day. She didn’t know that was the new way to survive the scamdemic.

It has got to the point that contemplating the stupidity of the sheeple results in a physical headache.

296764 ▶▶▶▶ Ted, replying to TheBluePill, 9, #96 of 1863 🔗

Getting people used to the cold for when the power gets
Switched off to save the planet

297120 ▶▶▶▶▶ Borisbullshit, replying to Ted, 4, #97 of 1863 🔗

Haha very true!

296319 ▶▶ PatrickF, replying to Lisa (formerly) from Toronto, 16, #98 of 1863 🔗

I’m keeping 2 metres away from Cadbury’s chocolate to avoid catching the obesity virus, Fat1.

296577 ▶▶▶ Tee Ell, replying to PatrickF, 12, #99 of 1863 🔗

Cadburys has been utter shite since the Mondolez buyout, I never buy it any more.

296661 ▶▶▶▶ Fingerache Philip., replying to Tee Ell, 3, #100 of 1863 🔗

Unfortunately I have to agree.

296704 ▶▶▶▶ stevie119, replying to Tee Ell, 8, #101 of 1863 🔗

They said they wouldn`t close the Cadbury factory in Bristol, prior to the deal going through. As soon as the deal went through they closed it and moved production to Poland. Utter bastards. It has been boycotted ever since in this house.

297809 ▶▶▶▶ sam, replying to Tee Ell, 1, #102 of 1863 🔗

i used to love cadburys fruit and nut bars a long time ago when was still cadburys

297118 ▶▶ Borisbullshit, replying to Lisa (formerly) from Toronto, 4, #103 of 1863 🔗

I saw a Strongbow Cider add and a flap came up saying the same shite. Its treating people like children and trying to normalise the abnormal. Fucking despicable.

296237 annie, replying to annie, 20, #104 of 1863 🔗

I’ve been reading Orlando Figes’ book on the Crimean War. Russia was aggressively expanding its territory. Fears were expressed that Russia’s next target would be British India. The British government knew perfectly well that the fears were groundless, but a gaggle of ‘experts’ used the mass media – newspapers, pamphlets, popular books – to generate a wave of public hysteria that carried Britain towards a bloody, unnecessary and unprofitable war.

Seems like the zombies have always been with us. And the zombie trainers. And the government idiots who defer to them.

296246 ▶▶ karenovirus, replying to annie, 5, #105 of 1863 🔗

The British achieved their actual war aim which was to keep Russia out of the Black Sea* and away from their ultimate target, Constantinople.
The main effect on the media was that technology allowed journalists, notably Russell in The Times, to report on the horrors of war in just three months as the telegraph wires had reached well into the Balkans.

* worked for a generation

296251 ▶▶▶ annie, replying to karenovirus, 2, #106 of 1863 🔗

And they all lived happily ever sfter.

296326 ▶▶ Lili, replying to annie, 9, #107 of 1863 🔗

Manufactured consent – a procedure used throughout the ages to get the people onside for rich people’s wars.

296243 Sir Patrick Vaccine, 8, #108 of 1863 🔗

Why Small Businesses Should Stay Closed Forever!



Every true word here is said in jest

296247 Sir Patrick Vaccine, replying to Sir Patrick Vaccine, 5, #109 of 1863 🔗

Dear Lockdown m toby

MP (who voted for lockdown) tells Andre Walker that they all know Coronavirus is nonsense

Kay Burley’s Coronavirus Suspension Proves Hypocrisy of Media Elite

296249 ▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Sir Patrick Vaccine, 1, #110 of 1863 🔗

Good find, subscribed.

296265 ▶▶ thinkaboutit, replying to Sir Patrick Vaccine, 8, #111 of 1863 🔗

What I want to know is…
How many grannies did Kay Burley kill?

296253 End of Tether, replying to End of Tether, 5, #112 of 1863 🔗

Please does anyone know whether parental consent will be sought for mass testing in London schools and is that legal?

296267 ▶▶ Fingerache Philip., replying to End of Tether, 3, #113 of 1863 🔗

Good question.

296329 ▶▶ Lili, replying to End of Tether, 5, #114 of 1863 🔗

Parental consent must be sought – this is a non pharmaceutical intervention – see article 6 of the Universal Declaration on Bioethics and Human Rights


296336 ▶▶ p02099003, replying to End of Tether, 3, #115 of 1863 🔗

All people aged 16+ are deemed to have capacity and can consent or refuse treatment ( there’s a caveat for 16/17 year olds as technically they’re still children). For a child under 16, they can consent to treatment if they are deemed to have Gillick competency. There are three criteria that must be met to determine capacity for these children. If a child (all ages) refuses treatment that is considered essential then a person with parental responsibility can consent on their behalf.
To avoid all possible problems schools usually require parental consent, although technically this is not required for those aged 16 or 17; and bear in mind there will be some who are 18 and are adults.

296254 Ed Phillips, replying to Ed Phillips, 43, #116 of 1863 🔗

Some good articles above the line showing some pushback against the narrative but can we just skip to the part where this is all over and everyone says they were against lockdowns from the very beginning.

We’ve known all this is nonsense since March. We’ve been right on every detail. Only now are some parts of the press waking up but still the nonsense continues.

It’s so frustrating.

296256 ▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to Ed Phillips, 41, #117 of 1863 🔗

Come when this is over, those idiots will be going “well I was against lockdowns and restrictions from the beginning.”

It will be our job and sacred duty to remind them that they were not and in fact were active collaborators in the destruction of our society and economy.

Never forgive. Never forget.

296258 ▶▶▶ Fingerache Philip., replying to Bart Simpson, 17, #118 of 1863 🔗


296262 ▶▶ annie, replying to Ed Phillips, 28, #119 of 1863 🔗

Patience, determination, courage, righteous anger – stick with it. Nothing is ever ‘over by Christmas’, but evil can’t win so long as the righteous don’t give in to it.
I wouldn’t dare to claim righteousness in normal life, but in this bollox I do claim it.

296269 ▶▶▶ Ed Phillips, replying to annie, 9, #120 of 1863 🔗

I’ll keep going, don’t you worry.

296274 ▶▶▶▶ Fingerache Philip., replying to Ed Phillips, 5, #121 of 1863 🔗


296804 ▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Ed Phillips, 1, #122 of 1863 🔗

Always a feeling of deja vu whenever part of the MSM come up with something we’ve known about for months.

296809 ▶▶ Ben, replying to Ed Phillips, 4, #123 of 1863 🔗

It’s not unfortunately. It’s part of a global financial collapse and pharma opportunism. See Reiner Fuellmich and Ernst Wolff

296255 Bart Simpson, replying to Bart Simpson, 73, #124 of 1863 🔗

The rumours that London will go into Tier 3 angers me.

I’m in danger of losing my job after the New Year. Any more of this, it will finish us off.

I’m also angry that many of my colleagues are still in denial about the whole thing and are still buying the propaganda wholesale. Any attempts to wake them up is like trying to get blood out of a stone.

Here’s hoping that this will finally wake them up. But I’m not holding my breath.

296283 ▶▶ kh1485, replying to Bart Simpson, 37, #125 of 1863 🔗

Sorry to read this Bart. I agree, I really don’t know how much deeper down the rabbit hole of insanity we have to go before people just bloody wake up.

We’re in the same boat in Essex. Another threat of lockdown hanging over us. And how you are meant to run a business, in the run up to Christmas, I would very much like our cretinous leaders to explain.

296297 ▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to kh1485, 18, #126 of 1863 🔗

Exactly. Businesses already lost a month of trading last November, this month is pretty much salvaging what’s been lost.

They do need to explain why they are doing this and it needs to be the truth. Their usual slogans and soundbites aren’t good enough.

296284 ▶▶ thinkaboutit, replying to Bart Simpson, 17, #127 of 1863 🔗

I can’t believe that there hasn’t been major pushback by businesses who are being shut down on the basis of a dodgy PCR test. I suppose they believe ‘The Science’.

296294 ▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to thinkaboutit, 27, #128 of 1863 🔗

That’s what constantly frustrates me – all that access to legal advice and they haven’t got the balls to challenge the government.

If anything they have the clout to end all this – just open up with no restrictions and no “safety” measures. Dare the police to issue them fines & threats to close them down.

Refuse to pay & demand that it goes to court. If all of them did it, the authorities wouldn’t know where to start.

296521 ▶▶▶ Marialta, replying to thinkaboutit, 10, #129 of 1863 🔗

In the interview video cited in the newsletter Kary Mullins points out firmly and respectfully that the vast majority of the population do not feel able to contradict scientists. (He goes on to savage Fauci and the other public health officials.)

We’ve got to accept this or we will go crazy. It’s the starting point for fight back. I’ve had so many people put me down for being an armchair virologist. They, on the other hand never spend any time or effort to dig below MSM.

If they wanted to they could go to Google and find out the following in a few seconds: The PCR test can detect the presence of SARS-Covid-2- the virus that causes COVID -19 but it cannot determine if the individual tested is infectious. PHE have always said that PCR does not indicate that the virus is fully intact and infectious, i.e. able to cause infection in other people. To do that requires virus culture methods which are only possible in a lab and are complex and time consuming.

‘Manufactured consent’ is what we are dealing with as someone said earlier. It’s only possible if people think Positive test = infection. If they don’t know this and are repeatedly told day in and day out that SAGE knows best, the casedemic will run forever.

296677 ▶▶▶▶ JanMasarykMunich, replying to Marialta, 6, #130 of 1863 🔗

In my view, this video with Mullins is quite explosive stuff (assuming it is genuine, and it looks so). I wonder where it has been hiding away and why it has not got exposure before. I know his opinion on use of PCR was clear, but his statements about Fauci were new to me (not a surprise, mind).

For more on the snake Fauci (and other matters) it is worth watching Plandemic (1 and 2) I would recommend it especially to those sceptical toward ‘conspiracy theories’. Not saying it is necessarily all true, but have a look and see what you think.

I think we cannot really stop this effectively (and prevent it happening again) without exposing the background.


And more on Fauci:


296843 ▶▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Marialta, 7, #131 of 1863 🔗

It’s worse than that.
Many people honestly believe that if you catch covid you will inevitably die.
The brainwashing has been highly effective!

296291 ▶▶ chaos, replying to Bart Simpson, 17, #132 of 1863 🔗

Everyone wakes up in the end. I know people who bought into the lies at the start that are now even entertaining the idea of a great reset. At the very least they know this whole business is shady.

296298 ▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to chaos, 15, #133 of 1863 🔗

That’s true. But if you have a workplace full of millenials, it seems harder to get them to wake up.

296327 ▶▶▶▶ JHuntz, replying to Bart Simpson, 22, #134 of 1863 🔗

They are lost causes. As a millenial myself we deserve to suffer for being complete virtue signalling fuckwits.

296331 ▶▶▶▶▶ steve_w, replying to JHuntz, 9, #135 of 1863 🔗

every generation thinks the one that comes after is a bit shit. its just that young people are a bit shit because they are passionate but know fuck all. millenials will grow into normal people when they’ve been working a few years

296332 ▶▶▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to JHuntz, 12, #136 of 1863 🔗

Sadly as my mum would say sometimes people need to learn the hard way.

And these millenials will indeed learn the hard way especially if the Bank of Mum & Dad can’t afford to bail them out either.

296365 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Mabel Cow, replying to Bart Simpson, 15, #137 of 1863 🔗

When that happens, the millennials will probably just blame their situation on the slave trade.

297719 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to Mabel Cow, 2, #138 of 1863 🔗

Which will show up the failure of the education system and that they’ve been had.

297327 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ TyLean, replying to Bart Simpson, 6, #139 of 1863 🔗

I’m a millenial, and I never had a Bank of Mum & Dad. Even if I did – they’re long dead and left me nothing but debt to pay. Indeed…. perhaps this is why I’m not swindled like the rest of pathetic, sad-ass generation.

297466 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Spikedee1, replying to TyLean, 4, #140 of 1863 🔗

We should really stop broad brushing groups. Went to braintree freeport today and I would say 90% of people were muzzled up. Why? Because every half hour the pa told them, and the signs on the wall told them. Very few millenials so it’s all our age. But I was one of the few unmasked, and every half hour I told the woman on the pa to fuck off. My daughter is a millennial and she would kick your ass if you tried pushing the lockdown bullshit on her. She also went out to meet her mates every night during the first lockdown.

297752 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to TyLean, 2, #141 of 1863 🔗

And I can imagine that your parents taught you to think for yourself!

296257 Cristi.Neagu, replying to Cristi.Neagu, 8, #142 of 1863 🔗

Heads up:

Trials for Australia’s leading potential COVID-19 vaccine from the University of Queensland in partnership with biotech company CSL will not proceed, after some participants recorded positive HIV tests.


296324 ▶▶ JHuntz, replying to Cristi.Neagu, 3, #143 of 1863 🔗

I’ve had the media reporting it as false positive HIV results which just sounds like a bullshit spin. Surely if it were false positives they would proceed ahead?

296478 ▶▶▶ Cristi.Neagu, replying to JHuntz, 1, #144 of 1863 🔗

The BBC was trying to spin that story about the woman with her foot rotting after getting the vaccine. They were saying that they have no idea why she has problems with her foot, but it most definitely isn’t because of the vaccine!

296259 thinkaboutit, replying to thinkaboutit, 62, #145 of 1863 🔗

Isn’t Caroline Nokes using coercive control on her parents? I thought that was illegal.

And the NHS isn’t brilliant. This week my son spent Wednesday in A&E at hospital A, who refused to treat him but sent him home with a cannula in his arm. He lived outside their area. They told him to try hospital B.

Thursday was spent at hospital B, who were outraged that hospital A hadn’t treated him. They treat patients from area A. This is true, in the past I have been one of them.

But the reason we went to A&E in area A was because we’d been trying unsuccessfully to get an urgent hospital referral at hospital B, our local. They had ignored us and after many messages left for the team we were told by a secretary that a helpline would call. They never did. No communication at all from a medical professional . We never did find out why they didn’t respond to the GP referral.

So it took 4 person-days to get life saving treatment for him. I think each hospital has raised an Incident Report on the other. We only got attention at all because we played the system. People without our wit and energy and resources will just die. That’s our brilliant NHS.

296261 ▶▶ Janice21, replying to thinkaboutit, 10, #146 of 1863 🔗

Shocking but not all together surprising. I hope your son gets better soon.

296268 ▶▶▶ annie, replying to Janice21, 16, #147 of 1863 🔗

Shocking indeed. It echoes innumerable stories I have heard about NHS callousness, both during this bollox and before.
There ought to be a Royal Commission to inquire into this appalling blot on the nation’s integrity. The Victorians would have done it. Victorian statesmen occasionally showed they had consciences – when sufficiently prodded.

296282 ▶▶▶▶ thinkaboutit, replying to annie, 11, #148 of 1863 🔗

The team that refused him treatment have treated him before, it’s where we used to live and they have all his records. This was purely about budgets.

296546 ▶▶▶▶▶ mjr, replying to thinkaboutit, 3, #149 of 1863 🔗

government policy for years (all parties) has been ,”oh there is something fundamentally wrong.. lets reorganise and add another layer of management – that will fix it”

296539 ▶▶▶▶ mjr, replying to annie, 5, #150 of 1863 🔗

Anne Widdecombe spent years trying to get parliament to sort out a cross bench investigation from the bottom to the top into the NHS .. She never made it ….

296926 ▶▶▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to mjr, 3, #151 of 1863 🔗

and now here in 2020 we know why ! Too important a part of their reset mechanism.

296278 ▶▶▶ thinkaboutit, replying to Janice21, 9, #152 of 1863 🔗

Thank you. This is not our first rodeo, we knew what treatment he needed. When he gets it he will, within 24 hours, be magically better. It is truly a miracle to watch. And they are doing the paperwork to set that up. The issue was getting him in front of a medic who could do that without him being blue-lighted into hospital. I appreciate your comment.

296288 ▶▶ chaos, replying to thinkaboutit, 13, #153 of 1863 🔗

Even pre-pandemic the NHS was wanting. It will patch you up great if you get run over by a car. But if you have cancer or MS, ALS, Parkinsons …ME. A diagnosis might take years. Or even be too late. Even Turkey has more and newer MRI machines than us per capita.

296322 ▶▶ FlynnQuill, replying to thinkaboutit, 11, #154 of 1863 🔗

Absolutely abhorrent women. Hope she’s proud of herself. This woman probably doesn’t even use the NHS. Saying that, her parents must be weak willed, small minded idiots with no critical thinking whatsoever to believe everything she says. If this woman had said this pre covid, she’d have been arrested. What a difference eight months make.

296360 ▶▶ p02099003, replying to thinkaboutit, 4, #155 of 1863 🔗

Absolutely ridiculous. There was no reason why hospital A could not treat, in fact I would say they had a duty to treat given the seriousness of the potential consequences for not treating. Do they refuse to treat everyone outside of their parish who attends A&E but needs admission?

297435 ▶▶▶ thinkaboutit, replying to p02099003, 1, #156 of 1863 🔗

When I lived in area A I ended up at hospital B for a broken arm (I think the ambulance crews toss a coin as to where you go 😉 ). They were fine about treating me, so I know it works that way round. Everyone has been shocked by this.

Their mitigation would be that they wouldn’t admit him anyway because of covid so it was up to hospital B to sort it out.

My experience of the NHS is front line staff are competent and dedicated when you get to see them. Maybe I’ve been lucky but 99% are fantastic. The back office functions are incomprehensible, obstructive and mind numbingly bad.

296374 ▶▶ Saved To Death, replying to thinkaboutit, 29, #157 of 1863 🔗

I am not sure how anyone can defend the NHS. In my 20s I suffered through multiple botched surgeries which left me in constant pain and discomfort. The NHS would not acknowledge this and continuously implied I was lying or it was all in my head.

I have felt days from death for the want of a course of antibiotics. Eventually prescribed in A&E by one of the few good staff after multiple attempts to be treated. It took the best part of a month to recover.

When my children have needed treatment it has always been a battle to obtain – yet I have been harassed continuously over a flu vaccine for my 3 year old.

I believe in the concept of medical care free at the point of need. That is not what the NHS provides. The NHS is not synonymous with medical care free at the point of need – you are lucky to get competent care at the point of need at all.

There are some fantastic staff working who manage to provide excellent care despite the NHS but it seems they are the exception. After the botched surgeries in my 20s I had a low opinion of the NHS but tried to tell myself I must have been an unlucky exception – after all everyone says how great it is.

Everything that has occurred since has led me to the opinion that the NHS is not fit for purpose, its indefensible. It needs to be shut down and the good staff empowered to provide care perhaps in a similar way to the Japanese model.

Its staggering that people still defend this organisation even after they were forced to sacrifice everything(the scale of the sacrifice we have made is still yet to become apparent) to save it only to then find it has become even more a disaster then it was before.

296422 ▶▶▶ kh1485, replying to Saved To Death, 16, #158 of 1863 🔗

I agree with absolutely everything you say here. And the clapping idiocy just feels like a grotesque kick to the solar plexus.

296449 ▶▶▶▶ Two-Six, replying to kh1485, 8, #159 of 1863 🔗

The National Hell Service

296456 ▶▶▶▶▶ kh1485, replying to Two-Six, 2, #160 of 1863 🔗

Spot on!

296516 ▶▶▶ Mutineer, replying to Saved To Death, 12, #161 of 1863 🔗

I worked for the NHS for many years. As a direct consequence I would never spend a night in an NHS Hospital. NHS is riddled with theft (almost considered a perk of the job), corruption, fraud, waste etc. Nobody is ever prosecuted as it’s bad for public confidence so they go elsewhere and do it again. I also decided that should I ever get cancer I would walk away from conventional treatment and I kept my word. I can almost see a parallel with people queuing up for chemo with those queuing up for the vaccine. It’s this ‘you have to suffer to be well’ mantra. The more you suffer, the more noble and brave you are. You could triple NHS funding and most would leave via the back door. Clap for them? Never!

297589 ▶▶▶ RichardJames, replying to Saved To Death, 1, #162 of 1863 🔗

“I have felt days from death for the want of a course of antibiotics.”

Make your own. Very effective; they have saved three people’s legs from being amputated due to diabetic ulcers.


296438 ▶▶ muzzle, replying to thinkaboutit, 7, #163 of 1863 🔗

My daughter has an ear infection and the GPs have been utterly useless. We got a telephone appointment which left us no better off than if we hadn’t had it. We ended up in A&E and they were very helpful, even vacuuming her ear out. The GP suggested we could set up an appointment via patient access but they even got that wrong. I had to phone the hospital myself and find out how to get her admitted. The GP is supposed to be a primary care provider so that people don’t end up in A&E.

297446 ▶▶▶ thinkaboutit, replying to muzzle, 2, #164 of 1863 🔗

I sympathise . Ears are painful. There does seem to be a vacuum around GPs, a lot of communications never escape the negative force field in GP admin systems, so the only way to get attention is to turn up at A&E.

297130 ▶▶ Borisbullshit, replying to thinkaboutit, 1, #165 of 1863 🔗

All Tories now cheer the NHS to the roof tops….a system so great that no other country uses it. They feel they have to do this or they might get called ‘the nasty party’. Even despite that they still get accused of wanting to sell it to Trump lol…as if he would want to buy it!

297448 ▶▶▶ thinkaboutit, replying to Borisbullshit, 1, #166 of 1863 🔗

Yes, they’ve gone crazy over supporting the NHS, who get overrun and whinge about it every November whoever is in government . It’s a spectacularly wasteful strategy for the Tories.

296260 Fingerache Philip., replying to Fingerache Philip., 6, #167 of 1863 🔗


296276 ▶▶ chaos, replying to Fingerache Philip., 7, #168 of 1863 🔗

Meanwhile in China. Business as usual…

296270 Sam, replying to Sam, 22, #169 of 1863 🔗

I stopped reading this site daily, because it is clear the government is ignoring your counter information. Unless you start to become more activist, everything you publish is doing next to nothing. Figure out how to organize mini groups of people. Figure out how those people can talk to others in the group. Find doctors, lawyers, police officers, etc., and get them talking to their coworkers. Also organize a group that gives people tips or even scripts on how to talk to the others as they walk down the street. For example, I talk to at least 20 people today when I went out for my walk. I started out by saying “have you heard about facial paralysis?“ Then I followed up with the information on for people getting Bell’s palsy, then I let it to where two people died, and then followed up with the one person in England who had a severe toxic reaction. I don’t try to get into a long discussion, unless they’re actively interested. Commenting into this echo chamber, isn’t enough. But if all your readers, or even half of them, we’re talking to five people a day, imagine the numbers.

296350 ▶▶ annie, replying to Sam, 12, #170 of 1863 🔗

Most of us do more things than frequent this site.

296395 ▶▶ PoshPanic, replying to Sam, 5, #171 of 1863 🔗

Agree with Annie, I think there are a lot of us that have found more success in person. If you look back to April or May, we were a very small minority. I’ve found posting at the likes of FB, a bit like farting in church.

296424 ▶▶▶ Bugle, replying to PoshPanic, #172 of 1863 🔗

Is that allowed?

296448 ▶▶▶▶ Ewan Duffy, replying to Bugle, #173 of 1863 🔗

Its only if you have sex in church that they need to cease all services until some magic mumbo jumbo is said by a bishop.

296458 ▶▶▶▶ Two-Six, replying to Bugle, #174 of 1863 🔗

Only if you wear a bottom nappy

296534 ▶▶ Marialta, replying to Sam, 12, #175 of 1863 🔗

Well said, one can spend hours scrolling down all the brilliant comments on here. I think very many of us are doing activities as well. Tbh even going daily into shops without a mask feels like being an activist. I was next to a masked family in a queue yesterday. The masked up boy was about ten and he started to stare at me, gave me a dirty look! I force myself to smile back and greet as many people as I can. This is an act of transgression 👌

296737 ▶▶▶ HelenaHancart, replying to Marialta, 7, #176 of 1863 🔗

Yep, lead by example not words. We’ve walked around town using wrong doors, not following arrows, dodged being squirted at with hand gloop, and people have followed or copied us. We’ve even had a couple remove masks when they’ve seen us without them. I always have a little chat and a bit of a laugh with shop staff, to raise the energy. They always look pleased to someone without a mask on. It’s the small things that can make the biggest difference.

296272 chaos, 23, #177 of 1863 🔗

When we were free.. not tracked, not masked, not terrorised, not lied to on such a scale. When the BBC was fun and mostly on our side.

At least Babs is free again. Carry on Babs. Don’t carry on Boris.

296275 kh1485, replying to kh1485, 25, #178 of 1863 🔗

Late Night Shopping last night in our town. Ordinarily, the town square – at 6.30 p.m. – would be absolutely heaving. Well done, government. No doubt the Business ‘Improvement’ District will spin this pitiful scene as a ‘huge success’.

296328 ▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to kh1485, 9, #179 of 1863 🔗

Nice decorations but that’s appalling.

The only thing missing is The Specials’ Ghost Town playing on the loop.

296338 ▶▶▶ kh1485, replying to Bart Simpson, 9, #180 of 1863 🔗

Yes, it’s very pretty. Depressing thing is, the Christmas tree is sponsored by the local funeral director. Says it all really.

296349 ▶▶▶▶ annie, replying to kh1485, 2, #181 of 1863 🔗

See Christmas and die.

296451 ▶▶ Ewan Duffy, replying to kh1485, 4, #182 of 1863 🔗

Oh but it is a success – no one is catching COVID19 in that scene! /sarc

296813 ▶▶ Ben, replying to kh1485, 4, #183 of 1863 🔗

It’s planned demolition of the economy and it’s happening around the world. Perhaps it is the World Economic Forum’s Great Reset in front of our eyes

297455 ▶▶ thinkaboutit, replying to kh1485, 1, #184 of 1863 🔗

It looks like a neutron bomb has gone off.

296279 Steve Martindale, replying to Steve Martindale, 19, #185 of 1863 🔗

As you may have picked up from yesterday’s posts our attempt to launch a face-mask petition was rejected. One reason was that there is an existing petition
This is one that was started back in July to try to stop Face-masks becoming mandatory, so the wording is a bit out of date. But the point is this petition is still ‘live’ on the petitions website until January 16th 2021 and it does currently have 3704 signatures. The review of the English face-mask regs is due in January and so we do not have long. Consequently my suggestion is that we do all we can to get people to sign this petition, if we can get the number of signatures upto 10,000 the Government will respond and it will receive a message that there is a body of opinion against mask wearing when they conduct the review next month.

296285 ▶▶ Charlie Blue, replying to Steve Martindale, 5, #186 of 1863 🔗

Thanks, Steve. Done.

296341 ▶▶▶ Fingerache Philip., replying to Charlie Blue, 2, #187 of 1863 🔗


296502 ▶▶▶▶ Ned of the Hills, replying to Fingerache Philip., 1, #188 of 1863 🔗


296382 ▶▶ Dan L, replying to Steve Martindale, 1, #189 of 1863 🔗

There’s also another petition above under the section “mask exempt lanyards”

Don’t forget to sign the petition on the UK Government’s petitions website calling for an end to mandatory face masks in shops here .”


296462 ▶▶ Sodastream, replying to Steve Martindale, #190 of 1863 🔗


296565 ▶▶ claire, replying to Steve Martindale, 1, #191 of 1863 🔗

Signed but still showing 3704????

297362 ▶▶▶ Steve Martindale, replying to claire, #192 of 1863 🔗

Now up to 3765, thanks everyone.

296280 Fingerache Philip., replying to Fingerache Philip., 1, #193 of 1863 🔗

Absolutely Patronising mega git on R4 right now!!!

296286 ▶▶ Luckyharry69, replying to Fingerache Philip., 1, #194 of 1863 🔗

who is it?…I cant bare putting R4 on…….

296304 ▶▶▶ Fingerache Philip., replying to Luckyharry69, 7, #195 of 1863 🔗

Some overbearing smug pratt who was/is a “track and tracer” talking about people as if they were 7 year olds; quotes such as:”people who assured me that they were self isolating and were obviously (shock/horror) outside and down the shops and (wait for it! OBVIOUSLY NOT OBEYING THE RULES,AND,AND “EDUCATED PEOPLE TRYING TO GET AROUND THE RULES”
But in his “weasel” words: “most people are sensible and do obey the rules”
I’m starting to wonder if there will be anywhere enough walls,scaffolds and guillotines????

296315 ▶▶▶▶ JHuntz, replying to Fingerache Philip., 1, #196 of 1863 🔗

If they would just follow the RuLeS.

296570 ▶▶ mjr, replying to Fingerache Philip., #197 of 1863 🔗

and does the pope Sh*t in the woods and are bears catholic ?

296287 SweetBabyCheeses, replying to SweetBabyCheeses, -38, #198 of 1863 🔗

In light of the today’s articles I’m really curious about what my fellow skeptics would do in this scenario…
You’re in a car crash and are taken to A&E. Your injuries are bad enough that you’ll prob be in for a few days, however you’re fully lucid and are able to confirm that you have no Covid symptoms and haven’t been isolating etc. They want to give you a PCR test for Covid – do you allow them to?
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296425 ▶▶ Hill Street Bluez, replying to SweetBabyCheeses, 1, #199 of 1863 🔗

Don’t think in those circumstances declining the test would be an option. The NHS as I understand it makes treatment conditional on taking a Covid test. In an ideal world we would be free to choose. I fear that modus operandi will soon be extended to all of society… substitute ‘doing stuff’ for ‘treatment’….’jab’ for ‘test’…

296886 ▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to Hill Street Bluez, 1, #200 of 1863 🔗

I would be surprised if most nurses/doctors left an RTA to bleed to death because of a declined test. Maybe I’m living in the past though ?

296454 ▶▶ Arnie, replying to SweetBabyCheeses, 17, #201 of 1863 🔗

I’ve been in hospital recently. I refused the covid tests every day. Treatment continued as normal…

For three days there were two discarded masks under the bed opposite me…

My advice? Avoid hospitals & anything NHS like the plague! If they aren’t infecting you with something you didn’t have they are attempting to destroy your mental health, and if that doesn’t work they are trying to destroy your family & friendship bonds. STAY AWAY.


PS. Don’t get tested. EVER!

297341 ▶▶▶ TyLean, replying to Arnie, #202 of 1863 🔗

I can attest that this was the case long before Covid. The NHS wants to detroy you. End of.

296459 ▶▶ Sodastream, replying to SweetBabyCheeses, 8, #203 of 1863 🔗

In my current experience of working in the Nhs ( 😣 ) it is not compulsory. Consent has to be gained. The staff caring for the patient ring the swab team. However the one time (yes one) I witnessed a patient decline/refuse the swab team were still called (they work in pairs) and they said if she didn’t have the test she would be treated as a positive case despite having no symptoms. Then they did their best to change her mind and were successful.
If that were me I’d be treated as positive as it would mean a side room! But they didn’t explain that to her.

296582 ▶▶ mjr, replying to SweetBabyCheeses, 3, #204 of 1863 🔗

in a normal world, then yes, a test is necessary to establish if you are covid positive or not and if you are , then keep you separate from those who have not got the rona. However that is predicated on the test working and being 100% accurate, and the hospital actually segregating patients .
As neither of these apply, dont get tested . . It doesnt matter anyway. Even is you were not infected when you went in , you will be infected when you come out .

297410 ▶▶▶ Cheshirecatslave, replying to mjr, #205 of 1863 🔗

I read an article about a woman refused a hysterectomy as she declined a test. She was willing to isolate.

297535 ▶▶ Ben, replying to SweetBabyCheeses, 1, #206 of 1863 🔗

Sorry to say, but I’ve lost all respect for the NHS. They would most likely make you wear a face mask too, so you wouldn’t be able to breathe properly

296289 Tom Blackburn, 17, #207 of 1863 🔗

The obvious solution is to close all hospitals to prevent the spread of the deadly virus.

296292 steve_w, replying to steve_w, 9, #208 of 1863 🔗

I can just see (if I squint) why there was panic in March.

I just can’t see it now. ‘Cases’ on the way down before lockdown 2, hospitals underutilised, total mortality (or excess deaths) not exceptional.

I can only assume they still believe Ferguson’s model and paper 9. That only 10% are immune and the only thing in their power to stop 500,000 deaths is lockdown and tiers.

296293 ▶▶ chaos, replying to steve_w, 4, #209 of 1863 🔗

nope. great reset. vaccine money. kerching. hunger games…

296314 ▶▶ stefarm, replying to steve_w, 2, #210 of 1863 🔗

500,000 excess deaths!! caused by lockdown not by the flu

296317 ▶▶▶ steve_w, replying to stefarm, 6, #211 of 1863 🔗

I’m surprised all cause mortality isn’t higher. the govt has spent all year trying to suppress peoples’ immune systems through stress and lockdown

296337 ▶▶▶▶ Ed Phillips, replying to steve_w, 3, #212 of 1863 🔗

There are some bonuses to avoiding the NHS.

296416 ▶▶▶▶▶ rose, replying to Ed Phillips, 4, #213 of 1863 🔗

Yes .a third leading cause of death…medical mistakes

296608 ▶▶ cubby, replying to steve_w, 9, #214 of 1863 🔗

There was enough evidence available if you knew where to look in March that this was turning out to be no worse than flu.
It was obvious by the time Covid 19 was downgraded from an HCID by the government on March 19 that this was the case. Since I’ve had some medical training and was badly hit by flu in 2019 I got informed and was able to see this.
I naively expected the same diligence of our government. Each MP should have done at least the same research that I did before deciding to fuck the country. It’s not hard, it’s even findable in Google. You just have to give a toss.
What’s happened since then can really only be explained as a high level conspiracy theory by Big Pharma/ Big Business, opportunistically preying on the ignorant.

296295 chaos, replying to chaos, 4, #215 of 1863 🔗

So what’s the betting Boris will cave in to the EU? Or talks again get extended?

296299 ▶▶ steve_w, replying to chaos, 4, #216 of 1863 🔗

Trust me – Margaret Keenan has ‘disappeared’. What’s the betting she resurfaces in Brussels and there’s a lot of assassinated EU negotiators.

296308 ▶▶ FlynnQuill, replying to chaos, 3, #217 of 1863 🔗

It’ll be the tenth final deadline, similar to a fate worse than death, or the best of the best.

296310 ▶▶ Bella Donna, replying to chaos, #218 of 1863 🔗

It’s a dead cert.

296312 ▶▶ JHuntz, replying to chaos, 5, #219 of 1863 🔗

guaranteed he’ll flop to their demands. Pales in comparison to the destruction of COVID. I’ve barely been following it.

296316 ▶▶▶ calchas, replying to JHuntz, 17, #220 of 1863 🔗

Same here,

One year ago it was all Brexit.

I couldn’t give a shit really.

Does it matter whether I am tracked, traced, masked and vaccinated in the EU or tracked, traced, masked and vaccinated in the UK?


296378 ▶▶▶▶ Mabel Cow, replying to calchas, 11, #221 of 1863 🔗

I voted leave but I’d be happy to remain right now: it would give me slightly more access to escape routes from this country. Shame we’re going to end up with the worst of both worlds.

296394 ▶▶▶▶▶ JHuntz, replying to Mabel Cow, 5, #222 of 1863 🔗

The only place left right now is republican states in America. I need to try shoehorn my job into making a visa possible.

296965 ▶▶▶▶▶ Jamie, replying to Mabel Cow, #223 of 1863 🔗

yes heard on the news last night that the EU will be shut to UK citizens for anything other than essential travel … It seems if you have left the EU you are more likely to transmit covid! The tit for tat begins …never thought leaving the eu was a very bright idea and the EU will certainly do their best to prove me right

296542 ▶▶ Kevin 2, replying to chaos, 1, #224 of 1863 🔗

He is angling for no deal.

296969 ▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Kevin 2, #225 of 1863 🔗

I predicted no-deal last December – because I assumed dePiffle would be too lazy and shallow to push for anything that required effort.

297000 ▶▶▶▶ Kevin 2, replying to Cheezilla, 1, #226 of 1863 🔗

I’ve also been predicting it (mainly to myself) for much of the year.
Well at least from the time that Scummings appointed Frost as the non-negotiator.
But not because dePiffle is too lazy, rather to intentionally further hobble the economy and to create supply chain meltdown (and cause a 20% devaluation of the £ and stagflation even on food).

297298 ▶▶▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Kevin 2, #227 of 1863 🔗

I’d underestimated what a truly odious character he is.

Today’s UK Column does an excellent analysis of wheree it all looks to be heading.
TTIP looms again!

296300 TheBigman, replying to TheBigman, 5, #228 of 1863 🔗


How many here believe the measures taken and proposed have anything to do with Covid-19 or any other virus for that matter?

Answer Yes (you believe they are) or No (nothing to do with any alleged virus)

296305 ▶▶ Basileus, replying to TheBigman, 2, #229 of 1863 🔗


296306 ▶▶ calchas, replying to TheBigman, 2, #230 of 1863 🔗


The very notion is risible.

296307 ▶▶ JHuntz, replying to TheBigman, 2, #231 of 1863 🔗


296309 ▶▶ Bella Donna, replying to TheBigman, 6, #232 of 1863 🔗

It’s purely political, the virus is just an excuse to trash our lives. They are evil monsters.

296311 ▶▶ Charlie Blue, replying to TheBigman, 2, #233 of 1863 🔗

I think many in positions of influence believe that they are about covid-19.

296318 ▶▶ xplod, replying to TheBigman, 2, #234 of 1863 🔗

No! Never has been about a virus.

296330 ▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to TheBigman, 1, #235 of 1863 🔗


296339 ▶▶ Josephine K, replying to TheBigman, 3, #236 of 1863 🔗

No, no,no. It’s about money,money,money and control, control, control

296345 ▶▶ Steeve, replying to TheBigman, #237 of 1863 🔗


296348 ▶▶ annie, replying to TheBigman, 3, #238 of 1863 🔗

Yes.All the rest is government cowardice and stupidity. And zombyism. And opportunistic grabbing for power by evil and corrupt individuals.

296357 ▶▶ PoshPanic, replying to TheBigman, 3, #239 of 1863 🔗

Yeah, but no, but yeah, but

296358 ▶▶ steve_w, replying to TheBigman, 4, #240 of 1863 🔗

I think its stupidity, groupthink, panic, throwing good money after bad etc.

I think this is the template


296444 ▶▶ Arnie, replying to TheBigman, #241 of 1863 🔗


296450 ▶▶ Sodastream, replying to TheBigman, #242 of 1863 🔗


296487 ▶▶ William C, replying to TheBigman, #243 of 1863 🔗


296489 ▶▶ Burlington, replying to TheBigman, 2, #244 of 1863 🔗

At the end of 2019 start of 20 the virus was just another seasonal flu bug. This criminally insane government used it as an excuse to introduce their totalitarian regime.

296523 ▶▶ Mutineer, replying to TheBigman, 1, #245 of 1863 🔗

Hell no!

296581 ▶▶ cubby, replying to TheBigman, #246 of 1863 🔗

No, No, NO!

296699 ▶▶ Allan Gay, replying to TheBigman, #247 of 1863 🔗

The parasites are consuming the host.

296782 ▶▶ leggy, replying to TheBigman, #248 of 1863 🔗


296873 ▶▶ JohnB, replying to TheBigman, #249 of 1863 🔗


296903 ▶▶ Ben, replying to TheBigman, 3, #250 of 1863 🔗

It’s not about a virus, unfortunately. It’s about money and control

Ernst Wolff – Corona: The Collapse of the System


Reiner Fuellmich – ‘Crimes Against Humanity’


297346 ▶▶ TyLean, replying to TheBigman, #251 of 1863 🔗


297502 ▶▶ Spikedee1, replying to TheBigman, #252 of 1863 🔗

No. Even the black death would struggle to justify this bullshit.

296301 Paulus, replying to Paulus, 17, #253 of 1863 🔗

So Santa is saved by our glorious NHS despite his great age, must be very reassuring to all the families who’s elderly relatives were not admitted, failed to receive treatment and had DNAR’s applied in their best interest. Even without the impact on children this is totally tone deaf and lets hope lots of folks complain.

296302 ▶▶ steve_w, replying to Paulus, 1, #254 of 1863 🔗

Is that the BBC? Only thing I watch on that is Victorian Farm

296321 ▶▶▶ Paulus, replying to steve_w, 2, #255 of 1863 🔗

Feels like it should be the British Bias Corporation, but no. The story is covered in the news feed with a link to raise a complaint.

296343 ▶▶ Josephine K, replying to Paulus, 2, #256 of 1863 🔗

I’d like to complain, I don’t need to watch it to know it’s wrong. The complaint form wants details of when it was on
Anyone able to help?

296325 GuyRich, replying to GuyRich, 17, #257 of 1863 🔗

So, Kary Mullis dies on August 7th, 2019, of Pneumonia no less. Then his PCR invention, that he explicitly stated wasn’t to be used as a diagnostic tool, is used as a diagnostic weapon by governments the world over. Again, colour me shocked.

296333 ▶▶ calchas, replying to GuyRich, 11, #258 of 1863 🔗

Died of pneumonia at age 74 according to wikipedia.

Amazing to think, isn’t it, that people have always died of respiratory diseases.

74 isn’t very old these days, especially for someone with a generally high living standard, as Mullis presumably had.

Pneumonia – in summer, in California.

296334 ▶▶ JHuntz, replying to GuyRich, 4, #259 of 1863 🔗

Yes, I imagine he would have a lot to say right now and the powers that be can’t have people speaking the truth. We daren’t have that.

296344 ▶▶ calchas, replying to GuyRich, 6, #260 of 1863 🔗

The ‘fact checkers’ have really been at work on Mullis, trying to say that he would have been completely behind PCR as a diagnostic tool for covid.

Dead men tell no tales – and they don’t argue with you either.

296411 ▶▶▶ muzzle, replying to calchas, 6, #261 of 1863 🔗

Fact Checkers = Ministry of Truth 🙁

297095 ▶▶▶ JanMasarykMunich, replying to calchas, #262 of 1863 🔗

I know FCs are nefarious, but how on earth do they bend that one?

Got any links?

296887 ▶▶ Ben, replying to GuyRich, 3, #263 of 1863 🔗

There is another. Brandy Vaughan, an ex Pharma exec who turned whistle-blower who was found dead recently. I don’t know much about her

297051 ▶▶▶ GuyRich, replying to Ben, 1, #264 of 1863 🔗

I read about this one briefly. So many ‘coincidental’ deaths eh?

296335 PatrickF, 6, #265 of 1863 🔗

You’d think that Beff Rugby would be quiet for a few months, wouldn’t you? She now works for PIE News. Her first piece to camera?
” My sources tell me that an obesity virus is on the way to the UK. Scientists at Imperial College have warned that the virus, named Fat1 will be more devastating than Coronavirus.
SAGE have confirmed this and inform me that a vaccine is on the way. Priority will be given to anyone who weighs more than Kylie Minogue. “

296342 Leemc23, replying to Leemc23, 22, #266 of 1863 🔗

There really is little hope of ever escaping this bloody madness when so many people have been brain washed. Getting past the “wear the dam mask” Nazis everyday is my most tricky daily occurrence. No. I will not.

Bit more and more I find that when you pass people information form verified sources such as HMG / WHO that actually supports what you are telling them e.g. PCR testing is too flawed and asymptomatic spread is unproven, you still get a reply that states “yeah but I know someone” or “if a virus is in your body you can spread it, pretty sure that’s how viruses work”. I despise and despair for these people in equal measure.

I was chatting to my mate last night and he said his mum is spending Christmas alone. I asked when he last saw her, March ! As she is “too scared” to see people indoors.

I dropped the subject. What can you do / say in these circumstances? Even if I said it’s not a problem you get back the “yeah, but” argument.

296352 ▶▶ JHuntz, replying to Leemc23, 6, #267 of 1863 🔗

Also, you are not allowed to question the cult of scientism after all you don’t have a phd.

296354 ▶▶▶ Cristi.Neagu, replying to JHuntz, 4, #268 of 1863 🔗

I think you mean MD, not PhD. MD – medical doctorate. PhD – physical doctorate, as in engineers and physicists.
Also, not true. You’re not allowed to question the cult even with a PhD or an MD. There’s countless MDs out there disagreeing with SAGE and no one listens to them.

296361 ▶▶▶▶ Fingerache Philip., replying to Cristi.Neagu, #269 of 1863 🔗

While we are talking about university degrees, what the hell is a defil/defill/dephil? that every other student on University challenge seems to be doing.

296369 ▶▶▶▶▶ p02099003, replying to Fingerache Philip., 4, #270 of 1863 🔗

D.Phil I think maybe an Oxford/Cambridge qualification. D. Phil is Doctor of Philosophy.
PhD is everywhere else and is also Dr of Philosophy and is achieved through research

296383 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Leemc23, replying to p02099003, 1, #271 of 1863 🔗

I don’t have a degree. I might just buy one from China. They sell everything else !

296385 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Fingerache Philip., replying to p02099003, 1, #272 of 1863 🔗

Thanks for that, p.
Any use to society as a whole???
D.phils, that is?

296436 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Bugle, replying to Fingerache Philip., 1, #273 of 1863 🔗

Before they started lying, yes.

296484 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Richard Pinch, replying to p02099003, 4, #274 of 1863 🔗

D.Phil. and Ph.D. are both abbreviations for the same thing, namely Doctor of Philosophy (Philosophiae Doctor in Latin) which is the usual research degree at British universities. Oxford is one of the few universities to use the D.Phil form of the abbreviation, the majority including Cambridge use Ph.D.

The usual form of the degree is a three to four year piece of original research written up as a thesis; increasingly there’s a component of highly specialised coursework as well.

Ph.D. is typically a second or third degree. A common route is something like a three-year Bachelor, one-year Master, three-year. Doctor.

There’s relatively little logic to the naming of degrees. The word “philosophy” in “doctor of philosophy” simply means “learning”: it’s used for all subjects. In many places the first degree is always Bachelor of Arts, even in science subjects.

By convention, all qualified physicians are termed “Doctor” even though they may have only a first degree in medIcine (typically MB: Bachelor of Medicine), while surgeons are termed “Mr/Mrs/Ms” even if they have a doctoral degree. Some physicians and surgeons will have carried out clinical research, and have been awarded Doctor of Medicine as a result.

I happen to have a D.Phil in mathematics from Oxford, and was foolish enough when younger to book an air ticket under the “Dr” title. As luck would have it, a passenger was taken ill mid-flight and as I saw him being taken to the back and given oxygen, I was worried that I’d be tapped on the shoulder by a flight attendant and have to explain embarrassingly that I wasn’t a “real” doctor. As it happened, the announcement over the tannoy asked for a “doctor in possession of a current licence”. Fortunately there was one, and the passenger was at least still alive when taken off after an emergency landing. But I’m still puzzled as to why a medical doctor would travel with their medical licence.

296509 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ TJN, replying to Richard Pinch, #275 of 1863 🔗

I stopped at B. Eng. … Never did really understand what it meant, until I saw it many years later on wiki.

I recall being asked what it meant at an early job interview and I didn’t have a clue. Didn’t get the job.

296644 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ cubby, replying to Richard Pinch, 1, #276 of 1863 🔗

It just means they are currently registered, not that they have their diploma in their hand baggage. Probably fear of litigation on the airline’s part.
Imagine you’re having a heart attack and the only doctor on board is retired. Would they stop him from giving care? For insurance purposes?

296984 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to cubby, #277 of 1863 🔗

Scary question!

296443 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Fingerache Philip., replying to arfurmo, #279 of 1863 🔗

Thanks for that, Arfurmo.

296372 ▶▶▶▶ JHuntz, replying to Cristi.Neagu, 2, #280 of 1863 🔗

Apologies thanks for correcting. Nevertheless, I have had multiple people rebut my argument because i’m not a scientist/ virologist.

296403 ▶▶▶▶▶ Tyneside Tigress, replying to JHuntz, 5, #281 of 1863 🔗

It’s likely nothing to do with that J, as both me and Mr TT get the same response. We are both Oxbridge scientists (MAs, just to confuse further!) and have PhDs in social science disciplines. My mother takes no notice of what I say, and listens to my brother instead (degree in a humanities subject). Consequently, like your friend, I have not seen her since March, as I cannot get to her and back in a day, and I am unable to enter her sheltered accommodation, so cannot stay overnight. She will not get the train because my brother has forbidden her to do so!

296414 ▶▶▶▶ jb12, replying to Cristi.Neagu, #282 of 1863 🔗

PhD means ‘Doctor of Philosophy’, it is a research degree.

296472 ▶▶▶▶▶ Cristi.Neagu, replying to jb12, #283 of 1863 🔗

Ok, fair enough. I’m used to the US meaning of PhD.

296614 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ jb12, replying to Cristi.Neagu, #284 of 1863 🔗

It means the same there too.

296477 ▶▶ annie, replying to Leemc23, 1, #285 of 1863 🔗

I’ve just had my second ‘greetings’ email from zombies who think that sending real Christmas cards is dangerous. To them, naturally, not to me.

296346 Will, replying to Will, 1, #286 of 1863 🔗

Has FreeCumbria provided his brilliant weekly ONS update anywhere?

296393 ▶▶ Mabel Cow, replying to Will, 2, #287 of 1863 🔗

In case it’s any use to you, FC’s last data-based post was on 2020-12-08 .

Prior to that, FC posted a hospital-based deaths chart on 2020-12-06 .

296347 Cristi.Neagu, 6, #288 of 1863 🔗

Here’s Pierre Kory, M.D., Associate Professor of Medicine at St. Luke’s Aurora Medical Center, testifying during a Senate Homeland Security and Governmental Affairs Committee hearing, on existing medicine being suppressed.


296351 JHuntz, replying to JHuntz, 3, #289 of 1863 🔗

Sister potentially going through surgery however it seems the NHS is like fort knox with no one allowed in. Anyone got any advice on the rules sorrounding this?

296359 ▶▶ Janice21, replying to JHuntz, 3, #290 of 1863 🔗

No advice unfortunately,it appears they can make these rules up. My friends husband was in hospital for 2 weeks and got diagnosed with cancer whilst in there. She never got to see him once and he had to get that news on his own. Complete disgrace.

296368 ▶▶▶ JHuntz, replying to Janice21, 3, #291 of 1863 🔗

That is disgusting Janice sorry to hear this. All the billions we’ve spent on track and trace and we can’t test visitors. It’s an utter joke.

296381 ▶▶▶▶ Janice21, replying to JHuntz, 3, #292 of 1863 🔗

They have pleaded with his CNS for his wife to be allowed in at his next appointment when he gets further test results and she said yes ok,it’s it’s her discretion.
The maternity end of things are nonsense too with the partner only allowed in when mother is in active labour and only allowed to stay an hour after baby is born.

296375 ▶▶ Steeve, replying to JHuntz, 2, #293 of 1863 🔗

I Pads/phones etc only – For those that don’t own them my local hospital provide a team that will provide them to patients for a call. Do see the odd patient having a fag outside!

296437 ▶▶ FlynnQuill, replying to JHuntz, 5, #294 of 1863 🔗

Unless you are several camera crews, reporters and Hancock. No measures taken for Mrs Keegan getting the injection, it was like a fucking swarm, yet I can’t see my doctor face to face. Scam!

296355 ▶▶ Tom Blackburn, replying to Tom Blackburn, 22, #296 of 1863 🔗

Simon Dolan #KBF

The Supreme Court have extraordinarily not allowed us to appeal.They don’t believe that the single biggest restrictions in English legal history are worthy of hearing

A very dark day for justice

Currently exploring all options. Will issue a full statement later today

296366 ▶▶▶ JHuntz, replying to Tom Blackburn, 14, #297 of 1863 🔗

Scumbags utter fucking scumbags. Our ‘democracy’ has completely collapsed.

296426 ▶▶▶▶ FlynnQuill, replying to JHuntz, 9, #298 of 1863 🔗

Yip, all the institutions put there to protect us have catastrophically failed us all. Parliament, Police, Courts, Human Rights etc. Not fit for purpose, any of them. If this ever does end, these need radical changes.

296466 ▶▶▶▶▶ PastImperfect, replying to FlynnQuill, 4, #299 of 1863 🔗

All institutions have all been subverted.

296846 ▶▶▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to FlynnQuill, #300 of 1863 🔗

… all the institutions put there to protect us …

You’ve been believing, or at least listening to, the bad guys, Flynn.

296370 ▶▶▶ Bella Donna, replying to Tom Blackburn, 3, #301 of 1863 🔗

The trouble is with the Supreme Court! Bastards!

296376 ▶▶▶ Leemc23, replying to Tom Blackburn, 7, #302 of 1863 🔗

Can’t they approach lord Sumption for advice ?

296379 ▶▶▶▶ Tom Blackburn, replying to Leemc23, 1, #303 of 1863 🔗

I am unclear why this hasn’t already happened.

296407 ▶▶▶▶▶ Julian, replying to Tom Blackburn, 4, #304 of 1863 🔗

It’s entirely possible they talked to Sumption. He has gone out of his way to criticise the government very strongly, from the start

296356 Bungle, 2, #305 of 1863 🔗

Another expert, hey??? I suppose folk know that in the hierarchy of medical evidence, ‘expert opinion’ is level 7, the lowest level possible.

296362 Sarigan, replying to Sarigan, 25, #306 of 1863 🔗

Found out yesterday that my wife needs an urgent hip replacement. She is a landscape gardener in mid forties so very young to need it. We have been told that there is no chance of this anytime soon, probably within the next 12 months with the NHS and that we need to go privately to get it done quicker. We would still be waiting for the scan if we hadn’t paid £490. She is in constant pain, cannot work (self employed) and with me in travel, we cannot afford private treatment yet but are saving. Thank you NHS.

296367 ▶▶ Bella Donna, replying to Sarigan, 8, #307 of 1863 🔗

Sorry to hear of your troubles, but make sure you write to your MP letting them know, they’re getting too much of an easy ride.

296371 ▶▶ Leemc23, replying to Sarigan, 14, #308 of 1863 🔗

NHS. Bang the pots. Never trusted it since they gave my Dad 3 months to live and put him on a waiting list that was at least 6 months long. Dad paid for his own treatment £12,000 loan in 1993!

He’s still going, bless him.

Sorry for your wife’s trouble. Hope it is resolved soon.

296390 ▶▶▶ JHuntz, replying to Leemc23, 6, #309 of 1863 🔗

That’s a scandal. Good on him 27 more year of life. What a blessing!

296389 ▶▶ Cecil B, replying to Sarigan, 16, #310 of 1863 🔗

Apologies for being negative, but this is the reality

In the area where I live the waiting list for operations has risen from 4,000 to 144,000 since March

Those 140,000 operations have been paid for. All the staff who would have carried out these operations have been paid for doing nothing

Even if this nonsense were to stop today the money will never be available to clear the backlog

The NHS no longer exists

296421 ▶▶ PoshPanic, replying to Sarigan, 5, #311 of 1863 🔗

When the No Help Service act this way, you can try to scream and stamp your feet, maybe get through to someone who will help you. Could be worth a try? Your wife needs treatment in order to work, I’d say that’s pretty essential. Good luck

296474 ▶▶▶ annie, replying to PoshPanic, 3, #312 of 1863 🔗

Yes, make yourself obnoxious, scream, shout and stamp, it often works.

296508 ▶▶▶▶ Sarigan, replying to annie, 1, #313 of 1863 🔗

I plan on doing all of that and more. Will keep you all posted.

297788 ▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to Sarigan, #314 of 1863 🔗

Very sorry to hear this. Another reason why the No Health Service or the No Hope Service is not fit for purpose.

296363 Bella Donna, replying to Bella Donna, 3, #315 of 1863 🔗

This is worrying
“Australia ends local COVID vaccine trials due to HIV false positivesThe University of Queensland-CSL vaccine trial was terminated amid concerns that it could interfere with HIV diagnosis. The company will now produce more units of rival vaccine AstraZeneca instead.”

296637 ▶▶ Victoria, replying to Bella Donna, #316 of 1863 🔗


297319 ▶▶ Ben, replying to Bella Donna, 1, #317 of 1863 🔗

It’s more worrying that Australia is pushing vaccines and restrictions for a cold and flu virus

296364 Cecil B, replying to Cecil B, 19, #318 of 1863 🔗

They are getting desperate in Wales

The Rapists Dad has announced new protective measures

1 From 6pm Friday it will be illegal to breath outdoors

2 All custard powder must be surrendered to the authorities by 2pm Saturday

3 No one will be allowed to use their date of birth from next Monday

4 From Tuesday only one chair is allowed per household

5 From Wednesday stilts will be mandatory for anyone over 35 years of age

The Rapists Dad announced that the new protective measures were in line with the current scientific advice

296434 ▶▶ arfurmo, replying to Cecil B, 3, #319 of 1863 🔗

I know you were just testing . 2 is not correct.

296471 ▶▶▶ annie, replying to arfurmo, 1, #320 of 1863 🔗

Selfraising flour, wasn’t it?

296470 ▶▶ annie, replying to Cecil B, 4, #321 of 1863 🔗

And you have to bang your head against the wall ten times, three times a day, or face imprisonment.

296373 Danny, replying to Danny, 6, #322 of 1863 🔗

Apologies if people have already answered this, but does anyone know whether this much publicised testing of every school kid in London will be compulsory? What happens if parental consent is refused?

296397 ▶▶ Lockdown_Lunacy, replying to Danny, 3, #323 of 1863 🔗

I reckon that there’ll be so many eager volunteers that they’ll let the non-consenters off… this time.

296837 ▶▶ JohnB, replying to Danny, 1, #324 of 1863 🔗

They tried this in Liverpool a few weeks ago. Extremely short notice given.

Big outcry, dropped like a hot spud.

296377 swedenborg, replying to swedenborg, 4, #325 of 1863 🔗

This is a serious short article disseminated to the Network of European Scientist for social and environmental responsibility. Dr Michael Antoniou . Reader of Molecular Genetics.King’s College Univ,London SARS-CoV-2: natural origin or laboratory creation? Does it matter? The above article is not from a fringe/conspiratory theorist but a highly respectable scientist. He has serious concerns about the origin of Sars-Cov2 and it is astonishing that the gain of function work has not been widely discussed in MSM. This was dangerous work done by US/Chinese scientist at least for 10 years combining bat and human virus. The work was purportedly done to be able to prevent/mitigate a possible emerging pandemic. Why couldn’t that type of dangerous work go wrong? “Scientists in China and USA independently and in collaboration have been working on CoV gain-of-function research for over 10 years”
“Attempts to convert a bat CoV into a human pathogen
“Arguments as to how SARS-Co V-2 arose (natural mutation selection or laboratory creation) offer alternatives and do not exclude the otherSARS-CoV-2 possesses several unique genetic and structural features, with the balance of evidence in favour of a laboratory creation”
“CoV gain-of-function research has been going on for years .Combining knowledge of CoV infectivity and genetic technology,it is easy to conceive how SARS-CoV-2 could have been a laboratory creation”
 “Why has gain-of-function research of CoV and other pathogenic viruses ever been allowed? Why are mainstream journals refusing to publish evidence by scientists providing for a laboratory propagation / manipulation and escape?”

296399 ▶▶ swedenborg, replying to swedenborg, 2, #326 of 1863 🔗

The article says it all. One of the authors of the paper disclaiming laboratory origin of Sars-Cov 2 Ian Lipkin rewarded in China with the highest medal for years long work with China 7 th Jan 2020. This same man produced the below article in Nature 3 months later.
The proximal origin of SARS-CoV-2 “Our analyses clearly show that SARS-CoV-2 is not a laboratory construct or a purposefully manipulated virus.”

296404 ▶▶ Arnie, replying to swedenborg, 5, #327 of 1863 🔗

There’s so much that I can add to this but I’d end up writing a book.

Yes the Gain Of Function (GOV) is very real. The virus that we are supposedly suffering from now did 5,000 years of evolution in fourteen years… According to the American Military it hasn’t been genetically modified so that leaves us with the possibility that it has been interbred, a bit like you would do to gain a show winning dog.

I have a friend who works at Porton Down and he has said to me that the ‘vaccine’ is one of many, he suggested perhaps ten. He described it as a bit like Lego where each ‘vaccine’ builds another function in, he used the word ‘dependency’.

Although he doesn’t know the end game he suggested that the ‘vaccine’, once the multiple different types had been ‘built’ into our systems would then mean that we are totally dependent on medication to live or survive.

He said “What do you think DecadeOfHealth is doing?’.


296503 ▶▶▶ TJN, replying to Arnie, 2, #328 of 1863 🔗

we are totally dependent on medication to live or survive

That sounds scarily plausible.

Dstl scientists are, by and large, smart.

296433 ▶▶ Bella Donna, replying to swedenborg, 7, #329 of 1863 🔗

We have columnists these days not journalists and therefore there is no proper investigative journalism any more. They’re mainly government owned propaganda outlets.

296486 ▶▶▶ swedenborg, replying to Bella Donna, 2, #330 of 1863 🔗

Correct.I doubt they would run an article on this


This Chinese lab has both the Srs-Cov2 D416G variant and the Danish mink strain Y453F recombined with RBD protein(The first variant has been discussed having more transmission than other variants,the Danish mink strain has concerns of possible less effect of current antibodies incl.vaccine produced)
This Chinese firm now sells these combined product(Strain+RBD protein) for 448 US $ as it could be useful to evaluate efficacy of antibodies and vaccination.Any concerns about this Chinese lab?

296497 ▶▶ TJN, replying to swedenborg, 6, #331 of 1863 🔗

Yes, discussed in Perspectives on the Pandemic series back in May.


The suspicion just won’t go away. That possibility that this accounts for the ostensibly over-the-top measures instigated by governments worldwide – they know something we don’t, and can’t tell us – has been suggested many times, including by Toby (very tentatively) on this site.

Personally I find this explanation for the harsh responses unconvincing, but I’m open minded about the virus origin. But that it has something to do with a bio lab seems to me highly plausible. About the one explanation I find unlikely is the bat-pangolin-Wuhan wet market theory.

296766 ▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to TJN, 1, #332 of 1863 🔗

That possibility that this accounts for the ostensibly over-the-top measures instigated by governments worldwide – they know something we don’t, and can’t tell us –

If it gained them 0.5% more public support, or even tolerance, they’d go for it like a shot. Brought to us by SPI-B, I’d guess.

296794 ▶▶▶▶ TJN, replying to JohnB, #333 of 1863 🔗

Yes, probably. As I say, I don’t find the theory persuasive though.

296380 Mike Collins, replying to Mike Collins, 8, #334 of 1863 🔗

Unfortunately I live within the catchment area of Tameside hospital and have called upon our local MP to intervene and address the high rates of sepsis and hospital acquired infection that results as a lack of safe care. My next door neighbour, admittedly 86, died of complication from sepsis only a month ago. His nephew was angry that he entered hospital without Covid, and 4 days later was infected.

However its our bad luck to be saddled with yet another in a long line of ‘London’ based Labour MP’s, this one (Jonny Reynolds) can’t even bring himself to educate/locate his kids here. They’re all on the roll at “southern’ schools, a subject Jonny gets a little touchy about when pressed. So we continue to have, amongst other indicators, a very low life expectancy rate for both men and women, low educational achievement, high levels of benefit dependency and a complete lack of new industrial investment.

I may be living in an alternate universe, but I’m hoping that this 5hitfest prompts a review of the NHS and its lack of readiness. When will we give the Health ticket to a Minister with a backbone, imagine how Priti Patel could improve the health offering?

The sooner Richard Tice or someone like him raises a party of local (sensible not lunatic) representatives that will put local improvement above party politics the better.

296469 ▶▶ FenTyger, replying to Mike Collins, 12, #335 of 1863 🔗

We don’t need a “Great Reset” we need a “Great Upset”. Basically all (most) MP’s are rubbish, our institutions no longer serve us. They need a complete top to bottom overhaul.
I completely agree about Tice (or similar) we need a sensible party to vote for.

296588 ▶▶▶ Mike Collins, replying to FenTyger, 3, #336 of 1863 🔗

Love the Great Upset approach, we’ve put up with crap, inefficient health services for far too long. How many more people is the NHS going to be allowed to kill. The recent maternity scandals show that you can’t even trust them to do the most natural of procedures safely.

Unfortunately we need a real ‘disruptor’ somebody who’ll take on the Labour Party on the NHS issue, they (NHS Managers) all sound like the poorest manager you’ve ever worked for, they blame everything on a lack of money, when any sensible person knows its all about a lack of decent leadership and working efficiently.

296634 ▶▶ Victoria, replying to Mike Collins, 1, #337 of 1863 🔗
296387 James Leary #KBF, replying to James Leary #KBF, 38, #338 of 1863 🔗

According to the lovely Allison (Pearson), somebody in the USA asked an Amish elder why there wasn’t Covid in their community.

“Because we don’t have television” was his reply.

296392 ▶▶ Janice21, replying to James Leary #KBF, 13, #339 of 1863 🔗

I havent heard much about Covid in the travelling community. I’m sure some have TV’s but something makes me think they wouldnt take notice of the restrictions.

296429 ▶▶ Bella Donna, replying to James Leary #KBF, 4, #340 of 1863 🔗

And there you have it! The simple truth!

296791 ▶▶ Ben, replying to James Leary #KBF, 8, #341 of 1863 🔗

Bemused to see Alison Pearson endorse the vaccine for the elderly. ‘Has your account been hacked?’ asked one commentator

296388 Country Mumkin, replying to Country Mumkin, 4, #342 of 1863 🔗

This idea has been touted as conspiracy theory. Here is the WEF saying it’s starting. I’m not totally sure I can get my head round it.

How could people be moved into inner cities from their homes in other parts of the country? Why would it be good for society for everyone to be condensed in a small space, in this way? What happens to other homes that people move from? Why would people leave those homes?

296398 ▶▶ Old Normal, replying to Country Mumkin, 20, #343 of 1863 🔗

After the way people have behaved since March I want to get as far away from most of them as possible!

The kind of people who didn’t give a shit about anyone else for most of their adult lives but now apparently care so much about the health of others including 90 year-old actresses.

The “I wear my mask to protect you” brigade. They can all go and live in miserable smart cities packed in like sardines while normal people get to enjoy a proper life elsewhere as far as I’m concerned.

296432 ▶▶ Will, replying to Country Mumkin, #344 of 1863 🔗

Fits with the idiotic rewinding agenda of Princess Nut Nut.

296441 ▶▶ PoshPanic, replying to Country Mumkin, 4, #345 of 1863 🔗

Or are some the supporters of the WEF, the ones that have interests in these huge pieces of capital?

296452 ▶▶ Sam Vimes, replying to Country Mumkin, 5, #346 of 1863 🔗

Containment and control. Or you could say ‘concentration’. Papers please?

296790 ▶▶ Ben, replying to Country Mumkin, 7, #347 of 1863 🔗

Half of Lockdown Sceptics have laughed at the World Economic Forum’s role in matters. They ridicule people who mention The Great Reset. It’s conspiracy nonsense they say

I see the World Economic Forum as a PR campaign for global fascism. They are patient and determined

296923 ▶▶▶ Country Mumkin, replying to Ben, 3, #348 of 1863 🔗

That’s a great description Ben.

297309 ▶▶ Ben, replying to Country Mumkin, 1, #349 of 1863 🔗

I suspect the World Economic Forum, with its obsession with chipping, tracking and monitoring people, wants everyone in the same place so that they can keep an eye on us, whilst Klaus Schwab and Tony Blair and Co live in the countryside

297378 ▶▶ TyLean, replying to Country Mumkin, 1, #350 of 1863 🔗

To fully understand this, you need to read United Nations Agenda 21 and 30, which are both avilable as PDFs online if you google them.

First and foremost…. it’s control, obviously. The CCTV we have now is peanuts compared to the robocop surveillance 5G will facilitate. People in the sticks (myself included) are pretty much just getting on with life and don’t give two shits about what the government thinks about it. They want a network of region-cities for maximum control.

Second…. this is all encompased by the overriding aim that we will “own nothing”. Everything – even your pots and pans – will be called up when you need them and then returned when you are done. This is impractical in all but smart cities. It’s impractical even in cities, but I digress.

Third…. Save the planet! (Of course, duh).

Fourth…. because their moronic idea of using rooftops and flowerpots to produce the electricity and food needs of the population is ultimately a forced starvation model. Someone will no doubt balk at the conspiracy interpretation of that, but it’s exactly what they did in the Holodomor, so why would history not repeat itself. We are dealing with a communist agenda with the Green New Deal, Great Reset, etc., look to history as to how former communist regimes came to be, and it’s very clear.

StopAgenda21.scot has references if you’re interetsed.

BTW…. the WEF have already removed the “you will own nothing” bit from their literature. Of course, they can’t erase it completely. Too many of us saved the original.

297427 ▶▶▶ Two-Six, replying to TyLean, #351 of 1863 🔗

Is what the Grest Resetters and planet savers thinks one person need to live in. That’s a one room flat with a partitioned off shower a small kicthen and a bed. Just a bit bigger than a prison cell. One of these rooms, in a converted office block. Hundreds of people living these blocks. Converted on the cheap by the lowest bidders. A blank cheque book for cowboy builders. Accommodation blocks more unsafe that Grenfel Tower.

Don’t worry they will be safe, they will have 100% smart CCTV coverage, recorded and stored centrally for ever, the ability to recognise undesirables, or aggressive behaviour or drunkenness. No smoking either or pets.Biometric access systems too.

These blocks will be enclosed in gated communities to keep out the riff-raff, the starving and the homeless.

The non compliant anti-government rule breakers.

It’s gonna be great. Equitable totalitarian Fascism.

296396 Barney McGrew, 2, #352 of 1863 🔗

Bravo for James Alexander’s article.

296400 muzzle, 5, #353 of 1863 🔗

That MP’s a nutter.

296402 Ned of the Hills, replying to Ned of the Hills, 14, #354 of 1863 🔗
  • From the “Round Up” above there is the following link:-

53m discarded Covid face masks in UK ‘could be polluting the sea’ ” – Guardian report on the extraordinary waste generated by population-wide PPE usage, including 129bn face masks used per month globally

Noticing all the masks I see lying on the streets, I’ve been wondering just how much is being spent on this item? Millions a day I would think. If they are curtailing deaths what is the cost per year of life saved? Could the dosh be used more effectively?

296406 ▶▶ Janice21, replying to Ned of the Hills, 10, #355 of 1863 🔗

With regards to the pollution aspect of masks,I’m wondering why Greta whatshername isn’t chomping at the bit in disgust about it.

296410 ▶▶▶ Arnie, replying to Janice21, 6, #356 of 1863 🔗

It doesn’t fit her ‘narrative’…

296415 ▶▶▶▶ stefarm, replying to Arnie, 19, #357 of 1863 🔗

Doesn’t fit her handlers narrative

296598 ▶▶▶▶▶ Jonathan Palmer, replying to stefarm, 4, #358 of 1863 🔗

Exactly.We have seen in this crisis that if you can’t get your message out through the media,despite having all facts and truth on your side it doesn’t matter.Greta came to prominence because she suits someone’s agenda.

297560 ▶▶▶▶▶ stefarm, replying to stefarm, #359 of 1863 🔗

Sorry, his handlers narrative

296609 ▶▶▶ mjr, replying to Janice21, 1, #360 of 1863 🔗

she doesnt care about pollution . she is a one trick pony – man made CO2 causing global warming.. nothing else matters

296408 ▶▶ stefarm, replying to Ned of the Hills, 10, #361 of 1863 🔗

Millions a day I would think – yep, follow the money. Another get rich quick scheme dressed up as something to keep us safe.

Cost about a penny to make in some sweat shop in India or china and about as useful as an inflatable dart board.

296428 ▶▶ Ned of the Hills, replying to Ned of the Hills, 5, #362 of 1863 🔗

The article says 53m a day are being discarded! That is a lot of dosh. Say £20,000,000 a day? So how many lives are thy saving? Well if the mortality rate would be 2% higher than it s but for their universal use that’s less than ten a day. £2,000,000 per life saved.

I recognise these are back of a fag packet calculations, but it suggests to me the nation isn’t getting its money’s worth. And that’s leaving asides all the hidden costs of mask wearing, monetary and non-monetary, which are much greater still.

296446 ▶▶▶ Richard Pinch, replying to Ned of the Hills, 2, #363 of 1863 🔗

If 53 million a day are being discarded, then that’s an average of nearly. one per person in the UK: in fact, the company that the Guardian quotes gives the implausibly exact figure of 52,602,739 so in the interests of spurious accuracy, let’s say that each person in the UK discards 0.7875 facemasks per day. Does that seem likely? I doubt it.

296457 ▶▶▶▶ Kev, replying to Richard Pinch, 3, #364 of 1863 🔗

Its slightly less because I haven’t discarded any at all, because I haven’t worn any!

296615 ▶▶▶▶▶ mjr, replying to Kev, 1, #365 of 1863 🔗

and most of those that do wear them for shopping etc stick it in their pocket when they get home and use it again the next day, and the next day. ……

297006 ▶▶▶▶ Ned of the Hills, replying to Richard Pinch, #366 of 1863 🔗

Yes, this thought came to me whilst plodding on my walk today – or something very similar. There might well be 53 million masks being worn each day – but only a minority are thrown away I’m sure. They get reused again and again. I should know not to believe all I read in the papers.

296467 ▶▶ annie, replying to Ned of the Hills, 6, #367 of 1863 🔗

Remember face nappies are a global infestation. Somebody in China is making billions. Somebody who knows they are useless, cost a halfpenny each to make, and are a criminal waste of global resources.

297644 ▶▶ Binra, replying to Ned of the Hills, #368 of 1863 🔗

Rubbing your face in incitement to human self hate.
The driver of the New Green Bankster.
Carbon units eat corporate toxic guilt.
Stakeholders in the wages of sin.

Nothing is shown you but for their use of your mind.
Yet they are your cover story,
They made me do it!

Freedom is owning all of who you are, but doesn’t have to manifest who you don’t prefer – unless you set them to make you do it.

296405 Alpine, replying to Alpine, 60, #369 of 1863 🔗

I am totally fed up with the constant reductionism of this whole saga.
We continue to contribute to a narrative whereby coronavirus positive tests, infections, hospitalisations and deaths (with/from) are of utmost importance. Most of the space on LS news round-ups are given to these obsessions.
I see the value in counteracting the prevailing narrative with other facts, studies and observations.
However it perpetuates this idea that everything has to be seen through this single lens.
I have recently been grappling with studies concerned with the effectiveness of face masks in reducing (or not) the spread of Coronavirus. As if that’s the only thing that matters.
Even if it does reduce the spread from me to someone else I will continue not to wear a facemask.
Why? Because human interactions are not reducible to the single measure of viral spread. My face, and the faces of others, reveal something about who we are. They are the basis of society, and of politics. My connection with others, through the use of our faces, can be life-sustaining for us both.
We are not merely virus vectors, we are human beings ffs!! We must turn all discussions towards this broader, humanising perspective. It is, after all, our reality. We have no other.

296409 ▶▶ Ed Phillips, replying to Alpine, 7, #370 of 1863 🔗

Preach it!

296419 ▶▶ Arnie, replying to Alpine, 45, #371 of 1863 🔗

Absolutely true! Walk tall, walk straight, smile and engage people, just like we did in 2019 & before, it’s a virus, an illness nothing more, it’s finished with us (in June no less) and it’s about time we finished with it and got back to normal. Real NORMAL not the fake shit that is being pushed by the filthy politicians and NHS tossers.

Every day this goes on I notice less mask wearing, less (anti-)social distancing, more people arranging Christmas and New Years parties.

This won’t be won with hearts and minds, this will be won by people tiring of new unfamiliar and uncomfortable ways, as human beings we will revert to type, we will revert back to our old ways. We already are.

I’m off out to see my 96 year old granny today. The first thing she will do is open the door & give me a big hug. Then I’ll make her a cuppa. Normality. It’s what we all crave.

Have a great day folks.


297155 ▶▶▶ Borisbullshit, replying to Arnie, 2, #372 of 1863 🔗

Great post give her a hug from me. Stuff the New Normal shite forever.

296427 ▶▶ Country Mumkin, replying to Alpine, 11, #373 of 1863 🔗

I totally agree Alpine.

In the beginning it did make sense to gather information and data to find out what was broadly true and misleading.

Now, no-one making decisions listens to these facts or anyone else but who they’ve chosen to listen to. I think they’re quite content with us using our time and energy on this, which is a distraction.

It enables them to get in with whatever it is they are getting on with. And it’s definitely not getting back to normal.

If they want tiers, here’s how I think the tiers should, and possibly are beginning, to operate

Tier 1 believe everything that is pumped out about the virus without question. Be fearful and feel controlled.
Tier 2 look at the data regularly and refute what we are being told re testing, hospitalisations and the imposition of restrictions based on data
Tier 3 be human. As we were. Go about our business and lives. As we were.

I veer between tier 2 and tier 3!

296445 ▶▶ steve_w, replying to Alpine, 10, #374 of 1863 🔗

even Whitty said recently that when we get back to normal is a political decision and a balance of risk. Nice to know we don’t have a zero covid policy at least.

Our lives shouldn’t revolve around 1 metric – whether it be covid, flu or anything else. Let people make their own risk assessments – the government aren’t capable of it and it is not legitimate for them to do so

296473 ▶▶ TJN, replying to Alpine, 5, #375 of 1863 🔗

Great post.

296533 ▶▶ Julian, replying to Alpine, 9, #376 of 1863 🔗

One of the most fundamental aspects of this madness is the hugely differing weight given to freedom by different people

People who post here value it very highly, others it seems not so much

We need some new countries for people who want to live a life lived fully, accepting reasonable risk

296538 ▶▶▶ Kev, replying to Julian, 3, #377 of 1863 🔗

Or even unreasonable risks to themselves, if they so choose.

296657 ▶▶▶▶ Julian, replying to Kev, 1, #378 of 1863 🔗

Good point, yes

296417 Ben, replying to Ben, 35, #379 of 1863 🔗

I wasn’t surprised to read about Kay Burley’s suspension from Sky News for breaking Covid lockdown rules in spectacular fashion (no doubt she enjoyed herself)

For me, the Corona Scandal reached its farcical dystopian zenith when Matt Hancock on television attempted to conceal seemingly uncontrollable laughter by switching on fake pantomime tears, as a naughty child works to deceive a parent

It would be comical were it not for the fact people have lost their jobs and livelihoods. And some have lost their lives through cancelled medical treatment, or through sheer despair have taken their own lives

It’s the 20s and the decadent new dance in town is ‘The Covid Lie’. It dances over people’s lives, hopes, dreams and futures. Hear their roaring laughter

296423 ▶▶ Bella Donna, replying to Ben, 20, #380 of 1863 🔗

We need to have a French style Revolution with a Madame Guillotine at centre stage! If you think I’m joking, I am very serious. What these monsters are doing to us, they deserve no pity!

296481 ▶▶▶ Ovis, replying to Bella Donna, 8, #381 of 1863 🔗

The French right now are a real disappointment.

296511 ▶▶▶▶ Two-Six, replying to Ovis, 5, #382 of 1863 🔗

The people of the UK are much more disappointing.

296567 ▶▶▶ cubby, replying to Bella Donna, 2, #383 of 1863 🔗

Pitchforks and piano wire. Until we get properly organised.

296499 ▶▶ Basics, replying to Ben, 5, #384 of 1863 🔗


This is a screen grab of pyschopath no tear crying lying hancock.

It deserves a place on this pages. Please can someone post the picture here. Thanks.

296536 ▶▶▶ Darryl, replying to Basics, 3, #385 of 1863 🔗


Think the image size is too, big to post. Can’t believe millions seem to have fallen for it.

296590 ▶▶▶ Jonathan Palmer, replying to Basics, 6, #386 of 1863 🔗

He was watching William Shakespeare from Warwick receiving his jab.They are taking the piss and Hancock was laughing at their in joke.

296622 ▶▶▶ mjr, replying to Basics, 13, #387 of 1863 🔗

here you are

296645 ▶▶▶▶ Fingerache Philip., replying to mjr, 4, #388 of 1863 🔗

Never trust a smilen hoss (smiling horse) or a crying cabinet minister.

296418 Bruce Reynolds, replying to Bruce Reynolds, 43, #389 of 1863 🔗

A clandestine raid took place in the early hours of this morning, the local coronavirus testing center was completely trashed should be out of commission for a few days… Remember Who Dares Wins…

296447 ▶▶ Sam Vimes, replying to Bruce Reynolds, 1, #390 of 1863 🔗

Veeeeery interesting!

296465 ▶▶ anon, replying to Bruce Reynolds, 5, #391 of 1863 🔗

fkin love you man

296510 ▶▶ Moomin, replying to Bruce Reynolds, #392 of 1863 🔗

Did this really happen?

296550 ▶▶▶ Bruce Reynolds, replying to Moomin, 7, #393 of 1863 🔗

You bet.

296524 ▶▶ Thomas_E, replying to Bruce Reynolds, 6, #394 of 1863 🔗

Hmm..brave decision!

296638 ▶▶ Fingerache Philip., replying to Bruce Reynolds, 4, #395 of 1863 🔗

Hope that it’s not an isolated case.

296605 ▶▶ PoshPanic, replying to Bella Donna, #397 of 1863 🔗

Brilliantly on the case, as always!

296686 ▶▶▶ Nigel Sherratt, replying to PoshPanic, #398 of 1863 🔗

I wonder if the bread lines will be gluten free? Excellent!

296430 Be Unshakeable, replying to Be Unshakeable, 6, #399 of 1863 🔗

Good morning Oceania!

296491 ▶▶ Basics, replying to Be Unshakeable, 5, #400 of 1863 🔗

People owe it to themselves to get the free online audiobook or pick their own well read copy from their bookshelf and give 1984 a read in 2020. Every detail has a parallel to our lives including the unexplained shift of enemy from Eurasia to Eastasia mid sentence.

Also the 2002? Film The Pianist shows rapidly the descent of life for Warsaw Jews from a good life to a brutal life in a Ghetto. We have lived through those same primary restrictions. Details such as cafes not welcoming certain people, parks ditto, having to walk in the gutter, etc.

We have not been shifted from our homes, but with the borders of council areas being made illegal to cross a kind of wall has been built around us.

I am meaning the manifestations of fascism have hit life with the same pattern as the film. We clearly do not yet have families split up sent by train to unknown locations. It is interesting to watch The Pianist and play Lockdown fascism bingo.

296574 ▶▶▶ stevie, replying to Basics, 2, #401 of 1863 🔗

People should also read “Brave New World” again.

296635 ▶▶▶▶ Fingerache Philip., replying to stevie, #402 of 1863 🔗

It was a present for my birthday 2 days ago.
Looking forward to reading it.

296682 ▶▶▶▶ Nigel Sherratt, replying to stevie, 1, #403 of 1863 🔗

And The Plague.

296442 Jo Dominich -, replying to Jo Dominich -, 9, #404 of 1863 🔗

That Tory MPS needs to be arrested for false imprisonment. I’m sure her parents are fully capable of managing their lives and assess their own risks. Shame on her. NHS overworked please. They’ve been closed since marche mostly!

296463 ▶▶ annie, replying to Jo Dominich -, 5, #405 of 1863 🔗

If they let her do it, it’s their problem.

296619 ▶▶ Victoria, replying to Jo Dominich -, #406 of 1863 🔗

Virtue signalling clap trap

296455 Zak Thelotofem, replying to Zak Thelotofem, 5, #407 of 1863 🔗

Please listen to these erudite doctors who have first-hand experience treating Covid patients and try to work out why we are not using Ivermectin in this country – I certainly can’t.


296464 ▶▶ OKUK, replying to Zak Thelotofem, 4, #408 of 1863 🔗

This is a scandal,m the way news about Ivermectin is being suppressed.

297070 ▶▶ Chicot, replying to Zak Thelotofem, #409 of 1863 🔗

For the same reason we are not using hcq. It’s cheap and won’t make huge profits for Big Pharma. Also, if we find effective treatments then the rationale for lockdowns, rushed vaccines, Great Reset etc… goes out of the window.

296460 stefarm, replying to stefarm, 2, #410 of 1863 🔗

Apologies if already shared



296552 ▶▶ Darryl, replying to stefarm, 1, #411 of 1863 🔗

Shame it will get so few people watching it. A popular cute cat video would easily get several million worldwide views after a few day.

296468 cloud6, replying to cloud6, 4, #412 of 1863 🔗

The quicker London and the South are put into tier 3 the better, then perhaps we can end this lunacy (as this will hurt the elite and well healed politicians)

Where we in tier 1 can have a ball…..

296475 ▶▶ Lockdown_Lunacy, replying to cloud6, 5, #413 of 1863 🔗

Can’t see it hurting the politicians or the great and good, they’ll just carry on doing as they please behind closed doors.

296557 ▶▶ Darryl, replying to cloud6, 2, #414 of 1863 🔗

Unfortunately, the people with power (finance workers, big tech workers etc.) are all comfortably working at home on 6 or 7 figure salaries and most politicians are completely brainwashed. Only the poor will suffer with tier 3 and when they protest the Met police will happily give them a beating.

296680 ▶▶▶ Nigel Sherratt, replying to Darryl, 2, #415 of 1863 🔗

A large part of the reason we’re still in this mess, it only injures the little people.

296745 ▶▶▶▶ Darryl, replying to Nigel Sherratt, 1, #416 of 1863 🔗

The fact that many financial markets are close to or at record highs as are house prices in many nations sums up the strategy of keeping asset prices high to buy of the masses.

296585 ▶▶ Jonathan Palmer, replying to cloud6, 2, #417 of 1863 🔗

If it hurt the elites it wouldn’t happen.
London traditionally begins to empty after the last Friday before Christmas,as people leave to go home as most people who now live in London hail from different parts of the country.

296748 ▶▶▶ Darryl, replying to Jonathan Palmer, 1, #418 of 1863 🔗

True, many of the wealthy depart to second home for Christmas, and quite a large proportion of Londoners don’t actually celebrate Christmas so wouldn’t be overly bothered.

297038 ▶▶ Ben, replying to cloud6, 2, #419 of 1863 🔗

Politicians and the so called ‘elite’ (they’re not) are exempt from the rules. In some cases legally exempt.

296476 Cecil B, replying to Cecil B, #420 of 1863 🔗

I’ve been invited to participate in the TSG’s secret Santa

Suggestions anyone?

296492 ▶▶ Be Unshakeable, replying to Cecil B, 1, #421 of 1863 🔗
296500 ▶▶▶ Smelly Melly, replying to Be Unshakeable, 1, #422 of 1863 🔗

Kills viruses and 99.999% of bacteria. So what % of viruses does it claim to kill?

296591 ▶▶▶▶ Athanasius, replying to Smelly Melly, 1, #423 of 1863 🔗

0.26? After all, that’s a huge number these days.

296653 ▶▶▶▶ Mabel Cow, replying to Smelly Melly, #424 of 1863 🔗

Well, it certainly won’t deactivate norovirus because that virus’ capsid is alcohol resistant .

However, coronaviruses have a lipid enclosure that is weakened by alcohol. Soap is even better, apparently.

296676 ▶▶ Nigel Sherratt, replying to Cecil B, #425 of 1863 🔗

O wad some Pow’r the giftie gie us
To see oursels as ithers see us!

296479 AnotherSceptic, replying to AnotherSceptic, 14, #426 of 1863 🔗

I’ll tell you a coronavirus joke, but you’ll have to wait two weeks to see if you got it.

296548 ▶▶ stefarm, replying to AnotherSceptic, 1, #427 of 1863 🔗

That will be Xmas day.

Merry Xmas folks

296480 Leemc23, replying to Leemc23, 1, #428 of 1863 🔗

Re rise in cases for “kids”

If cases are increasing in the 11-19 group, could that be reflective of university testing in the past couple of weeks ? They have tested the f#ck out of uni students to get them home…..

And when you get tested the address they link the test to is your home address not your university address, or is that a myth ?

296505 ▶▶ stefarm, replying to Leemc23, 3, #429 of 1863 🔗

No myth, I think it is double counted – uni address and home address

296631 ▶▶ Will, replying to Leemc23, #430 of 1863 🔗

Or both home address and university address?

296482 Awkward Git, replying to Awkward Git, 6, #431 of 1863 🔗

The worldwide madness continues.

MrsAwkward met an old acquaintance in the street.

He sold up his business and retired to Pattaya many years ago and comes back here a few times a year, this time of year he comes to take his elderly mother back to Thailand for a few months so she can avoid the winter somewhere warm then brings her back in the Spring.

As he was chatting to Mrs Awkward he gets a message, a grand total of 20 people have been tested positive in the Pattaya area so he can’t go back yet a lockdown measures going into place.

So he’s now stuck here trying to find out what really is going on and how he will get home and take his mum.

This viral madness that politicians at all levels seem to be particularly susceptible to seems to be getting more prevalent.

297390 ▶▶ TyLean, replying to Awkward Git, #432 of 1863 🔗

What a fool… he thought he’d carry on as though we aren’t in the middle of a global takeover. Pretty hard to feel bad for the persistently stupid.

297434 ▶▶▶ Awkward Git, replying to TyLean, #433 of 1863 🔗

Well he was a hairdresser and not really with reality the few times I met him over the years.

Wife misses hiss scissor happy hands though even after all this time.

296483 zacaway, replying to zacaway, 14, #434 of 1863 🔗

So we’ve reached the end of the road through the Courts:

The Supreme Court have REFUSED the right to appeal. In other words, the Court doesn’t think that the biggest restrictions ever placed on the British people is worthy of a hearing.


Totalitarian Government is endorsed by the Judiciary.

296496 ▶▶ OKUK, replying to zacaway, 8, #435 of 1863 🔗

Outrageous. We have nothing to protect us against Hitlerian enabling acts.

296507 ▶▶▶ Saved To Death, replying to OKUK, 9, #436 of 1863 🔗

The German people were failed in a similar way by their courts during the rise of the nazis.

296560 ▶▶▶ Jonathan Palmer, replying to OKUK, 5, #437 of 1863 🔗

We already have our own enabling act.Its called the Public Contingencies Act.The Government decide to use the 1984 public health act as it gives them less scrutiny.I don’t know why they bothered because with a Parliament,Courts and Media as supine as these they can do anything they want.

296498 ▶▶ Cecil B, replying to zacaway, 20, #438 of 1863 🔗

Courts will not restore our freedom

These judges are appointed by politicians, they know which side their bread is buttered

Courts are irrelevant, if we want our freedom we are going to have to take it

Their side

Less than 700 politicians
Couple of thousand at the BBC
100,000 police, only 60% of whom can break into a run
About 5,000 NHS and Civil Service wonks

Our side

66 million increasingly pissed off people

No longer a question of if, but when

296529 ▶▶▶ zacaway, replying to Cecil B, 7, #439 of 1863 🔗

They only have power because we accept their authority. If a majority of us simply ignore all their edicts, the system will collapse.

296844 ▶▶▶▶ PastImperfect, replying to zacaway, 4, #440 of 1863 🔗

We have to convert several million to make a difference. Leafletting, stickers, &c emphasising alternatives to supine media. LS, UKColumn, Corbett Report, Paul Weston, Vernon Coleman … et al.

296949 ▶▶▶▶▶ zacaway, replying to PastImperfect, 2, #441 of 1863 🔗

I don’t think there are millions of lockdown zealots. I think they are the minority, but the majority have been cowed into obedience. Somehow we need to reach them and persuade enough of them to be brave and just stop going along with it. I’ve seen the masks starting to slip where people think they can get away with it.

296531 ▶▶▶ kh1485, replying to Cecil B, 5, #442 of 1863 🔗

I wish they’d get a bloody move on …

296575 ▶▶▶ Jonathan Palmer, replying to Cecil B, 6, #443 of 1863 🔗

All legal avenues have failed.Now is the time for mass civil disobedience .This blog should dispense with the Science.The government will never listen because it’s set on its agenda and will not change course unless forced to.
It should instead seek to organise and unite opposition to overturn this before its too late.

296641 ▶▶▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to Jonathan Palmer, 3, #444 of 1863 🔗

Public servants don’t seem ttl exist now. Political, legal and civil routes for people to discuss their concerns, to let them be heard. They’ve all been closed off by a technocracy of elitist social planners. Who develop plans for to keep us safe, because they know better. Because its for our own good.

Those who deliver tyranny to the masses under the guise of keeping them safe are the worst of all. They have made peace with their own conscience and can commit evil while declaring it charity.

296824 ▶▶▶▶▶ PastImperfect, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 2, #445 of 1863 🔗

Common Purpose brainwashed automatons.

296649 ▶▶▶▶ AnotherSceptic, replying to Jonathan Palmer, 1, #446 of 1863 🔗

Hear hear. I completely agree with you Jonathan. Well said.

296593 ▶▶▶ First Minister of Bubbledom, replying to Cecil B, 3, #447 of 1863 🔗

only 60% of whom can break into a run” PMSL

296671 ▶▶▶▶ Nigel Sherratt, replying to First Minister of Bubbledom, 1, #448 of 1863 🔗

When Slim was rebuilding his army to push the Japanese back out of Burma he made the local admin. (‘babus’) get fit with daily runs and exercises. They complained a lot but it helped. The whole field HQ could be packed up and moved in about 15minutes so that they could not be caught out again by a surprise attack.

296819 ▶▶▶ PastImperfect, replying to Cecil B, 2, #449 of 1863 🔗

That 66 million would appear to be something of an over-estimate of pissed off people judging by the total mask compliance at Waitrose this morning (I hasten to add that I was the lone exception).

297941 ▶▶▶ richard riewer, replying to Cecil B, #450 of 1863 🔗

Yep! Right on! Don’t wait for the politicians etc to change their minds, make them change it.

296611 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to zacaway, 2, #451 of 1863 🔗

That’s heartbreaking. Not even a day in court allowed.

Go away plebs, your concerns are silly. Leave it to us. This knowledge is inaccessible to your tiny intellect. Do what you’re told

296871 ▶▶ Ben, replying to zacaway, 7, #452 of 1863 🔗

I always found Simon Dolan’s Twitter account depressing because of his belief in the judicial system. The judicial system is part of the architecture of lockdown and the New Normal. But Dolan has done much valuable work, which I’m grateful for. I just wish he’d explore the role of the World Economic Forum, Pharma and the banks

296943 ▶▶▶ zacaway, replying to Ben, 3, #453 of 1863 🔗

It needed doing though – if nothing else it has exposed the rottenness of the system to hopefully justify taking another route.

296485 theanalyst, replying to theanalyst, 5, #454 of 1863 🔗

As well as doing an automatic confirmatory PCR test on the 3 or so students who came out positive from tens of thousands of lateral flow tests in recent days (and Cambridge, which I think is PCR that almost works), why don’t they do an automatic confirmatory lateral flow test on the thousands of people who come back with a dodgy positive PCR Test every day? We jolly well know why they won’t do it, well not now anyway. That would deliver too much proof that its all bollocks.

Nice to see BBC doing some reporting on the outcomes from University testing. This link actually contains some accurate reporting of the figures from several Universities, and is what got me thinking.

296493 ▶▶ Smelly Melly, replying to theanalyst, 6, #455 of 1863 🔗

You mean like Norway. If somebody tests positive, it gets verified with a second test. That’s why “cases” are so low.

296604 ▶▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to Smelly Melly, 4, #456 of 1863 🔗

I didn’t know this but it’s not surprising.

I am sick of seeing people have their lives ruined due to PCR. It needs to end. It needs to end.

296627 ▶▶ Mabel Cow, replying to theanalyst, 6, #457 of 1863 🔗

This whole charade could have been avoided from the start by just re-testing the positives. No doubt that’s why they didn’t.

296488 OKUK, replying to OKUK, 6, #458 of 1863 🔗

The BBC is the leading news suppression service. It has partnered with pro-PC left organisations like Facebook, Google and You Tube in the Orwellian-sounding “Trusted News Initiative” to suppress news about electoral fraud and genuine information about vaccines.

Yesterday when I looked at the BBC website they had no (!) report on the hugely important case being brought by Texas in the Supreme Court to address the huge electoral fraud that took place in the corrupt, contested states. This, despite the claim having been submitted a couple of days earlier. This is active news suppression of the type favoured by all the misnomered TNI.

The BBC is acting as a cheerleader for Big Pharma not as a proper news service when it comes to the Covid 19 vaccine. An alternative: I came across Michelle Malkins’ twitter account – she has lots of good and up to date links on the Covid 19 vaccine, including forum chats between Covid vaccine volunteers that sound genuine.

296527 ▶▶ Julian, replying to OKUK, 7, #459 of 1863 🔗

The BBC are the enemy – they have declared war on us, and will be pitiless

As an organisation it is rotten to the core

296547 ▶▶▶ Mark, replying to Julian, #460 of 1863 🔗

Julian, would you mind pm’ing me, via the forums here?


296545 ▶▶ Andrew K, replying to OKUK, 4, #461 of 1863 🔗

I think the next mass demo should be outside BBC Broadcasting house. Then they have to report on it!!

296583 ▶▶▶ Darryl, replying to Andrew K, 1, #462 of 1863 🔗

It was done months ago and it wasn’t reported on.

Protest marches aren’t allowed to go to the Ministry of Propaganda now, they block the road.

I don’t get the impression many people are working there at the moment, all at home on full pay, plus a working from home bonus.

298044 ▶▶▶▶ richard riewer, replying to Darryl, #463 of 1863 🔗

Sneak up from behind.

296490 Andrew K, replying to Andrew K, 5, #465 of 1863 🔗

Yesterday a posted said they were banned from Mumsnet for posting anti lockdown stuff. If you read any these “mums” post they are lockdown zealots with a capitol Z. Anyway I made a call to action where we all register on mumsnet and flood thenm with real facts about covid so that they can see the real narrative not the bullshit the BBC et al spew out with glee everyday. Anyway I alone went there pretending to want to start a new family but not sure whether to take the vaccine or not. I only posted twice and they the (MGU) MUMs Gastapo Unit saw right through me and I quote


Ignore this thread.

Another account created just to spread false information.

All I posted was the link to the gov own website saying they don’t know the vaccine effects on fertility togther with Mike Yeadons piece on it. So that’s false information is it?

Anyway what’s really scary is that the MGU saw through my intentions after just two post. So how do intelligent, intuitive women get to become so brainwashed by all this. Very scary.

296495 ▶▶ stefarm, replying to Andrew K, 10, #466 of 1863 🔗

1 question could be how much are 77b controlling the narrative, don’t forget this shit show is 1 massive psyop

296526 ▶▶ Julian, replying to Andrew K, 4, #467 of 1863 🔗

To be part of the MGU probably takes special qualities

How does anyone intelligent get brainwashed? Because they are gullible, and intelligence confers no immunity to gullibility

I read the thread and I think you may have got away with it if you’d stuck to the line in your initial post, but I think as soon as you quote sources and show you’ve done research then a certain kind of person immediately puts you down as a troublemaker

296993 ▶▶▶ JanMasarykMunich, replying to Julian, 1, #468 of 1863 🔗

I suspect algorithm is flagging any reference to Yeadon for pretty much immediate removal. Utterly frightening.

On the plus side, seems more people are trying to ‘spread disinformation’.

Anyway, thanks for trying.

296540 ▶▶ stevie, replying to Andrew K, 3, #469 of 1863 🔗

I seem to remember Mumsnet had some sceptical stuff early on. There were reports about hospitals refusing to send ambulances to people for example.

296568 ▶▶ annie, replying to Andrew K, 2, #470 of 1863 🔗

They are not intelligent.
Just breeding chambers for the next zombie generation.

296597 ▶▶ Mabel Cow, replying to Andrew K, 7, #471 of 1863 🔗

I don’t know what you need to register on Mumsnet, but I assume it’s an email address. Unless you have a good supply of unused “burner” addresses, they will map your efforts through the address used at registration. Additionally, postings from any newly-created accounts are going to be heavily scrutinised.

You would probably need to take a leaf out of the 77th’s book and create a number of sock puppets that play nicely for a while and only then start to slant the narrative.

296697 ▶▶▶ Andrew K, replying to Mabel Cow, 1, #472 of 1863 🔗

That’s why I made a call to action to get multiple people working as a team. Posting under multiple alias is like talking to oneself! I believe I still have my sanity (Just) so I didn’t want to go that route..

297171 ▶▶ Borisbullshit, replying to Andrew K, #473 of 1863 🔗

Who cares what the mumsy types think…..its hardly surprising they are like they are. Women are much more prone to fear especially when they have little ones. A bit like cows in a field really…..maybe sheep are better!

297294 ▶▶ Ben, replying to Andrew K, #474 of 1863 🔗

I feel sorry for their children. The level of virtue signalling of lockdown mothers is fanatical

297398 ▶▶ TyLean, replying to Andrew K, #475 of 1863 🔗

Not surprised. Mumsnet always was a conglomerate of authoritarian trolls.

297555 ▶▶ Jez Hewitt, replying to Andrew K, #476 of 1863 🔗

Interesting. The two most important reasons to me that this needs to be fought (to the death if necessary) are my kids.

296501 Judith Gordon-Nichols, replying to Judith Gordon-Nichols, 1, #477 of 1863 🔗

What a numpty Caroline Nokes is! Sounds like false imprisonment (of her parents) to me.

296537 ▶▶ anti_corruption_tsar, replying to Judith Gordon-Nichols, 5, #478 of 1863 🔗

I was a constituent of hers for 3 years. I was known as awkward constituent no.1. I regularly went to her surgeries (you couldn’t now with the plandemic!) to take her to task over all the fraud connected with 788 790 Finchley Road, as well as her own corruption, getting planning permission in a National Park from her mates on the local planning committee, as well as having a mortgage in her sister’s name who resides in Florida, as well as funding for her own campaigns and constituency party through companies linked to all the Finchley Road fraud, theft and money laundering. She really is without any shame at all.

The latest story really doesn’t surprise me at all, she really is about the stupidest Tory MP out there, and there are a good number of candidates!

296701 ▶▶ JohnB, replying to Judith Gordon-Nichols, #479 of 1863 🔗

What a numpty Caroline Nokes is! Sounds like false imprisonment (of her parents) to me.

Not often one sees a case where ‘I blame the parents !’ is so apt.

296504 John P, replying to John P, 23, #480 of 1863 🔗

Apologies to the regular posters here, or to the ignorant, but I am going to post this again, as I feel that it is important for people to at least get to grips with what a vaccine is.

Now, rather than trying to direct the confused to a website I thought I would get out my old Chambers 21st Century Dictionary (1996 edition) in order to find a working definition of what a vaccine is (or is supposed to be). Don’t believe me? Get your own dictionary out and check it yourself!

I quote, page 1567:

“vaccine. noun. 1 (medicine) A preparation containing killed or weakened (attenuated) bacteria or viruses, or serum containing specific antibodies, used in vaccination to confer temporary or permanent immunity to a bacterial or viral disease by stimulating the body to produce antibodies to a specific bacterium or virus.”


Simple. Vaccines have nothing to do with reducing symptoms . That’s the job of drugs. Page 404:

“drug. noun. 1 any chemical substance which, when taken into the body or applied externally, has a specific effect on it’s functioning”

Note the difference between a vaccine and a drug. They are not the same thing.

And next time someone in the media, government, in big pharma or even on these threads tries to spin you any nonsense about vaccines reducing symptoms you will know what to say to them.

For example

“we don’t know if you can still spread the virus if you have had the vaccine” = “we don’t know if it works”

because if it works you will not be able to catch it in the first place. And if you can’t catch it, you can’t pass it on.

If you don’t even know what a vaccine is, how can you know when you are being lied to about them!

296520 ▶▶ Julian, replying to John P, 7, #481 of 1863 🔗

No apologies needed. It bears repeating.

296563 ▶▶ cubby, replying to John P, 9, #482 of 1863 🔗

Correct, but there has been a redefinition of terms.
An Epidemic with low mortality is now a pandemic. The previous WHO definition required an unusually high number of deaths.
A positive test is now a case, even when asymptomatic. The previous definition of a case was a sick person, the test was used for confirmation of the cause.
Anyone who expresses concern that a poorly tested vaccine might not be ready for general release or might not be safe is an antivaxxer.
The more I discover about vaccines the more of an antivaxxer I become. May I suggest people get a hold of “Dissolving Illusions” by Humphries and Bystrianik. It concerns “Disease, Vaccines and the Forgotten History”.
For those prepared to take the red pill, you really must go to Childrenshealthdefense.org

296698 ▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to cubby, 2, #483 of 1863 🔗

The more I discover about vaccines the more of an antivaxxer I become.


296630 ▶▶ Richard Pinch, replying to John P, 2, #484 of 1863 🔗

Well, my Chamber’s describes “immunity” as “the condition of being immune” and “immune” as “having a high resistance to a disease due to the formation of humoral antibodies or cellular cytotoxins in response to the presence of antigens”.

It does not say that immunity means being unable to catch a disease or pass it on: the common language definition is being able to resist it.

But what exactly is the point of this? Whether or not the vaccine confers total immunity as opposed to a high degree of immunity? Or is it about the ability ot pass on the disease? What point are you trying to make here?

I. agree that it is of great importance to know whether these vaccines (or whatever you want them to be called) lower the rate at which the disease is passed on. In particular, any argument for sanctions or compulsion against those not vaccinated depends entirely on whether there is a benefit to the general public of a given individual being vaccinated. At present it is generally admitted that there is no evidence for such a benefit.

296683 ▶▶ Be Unshakeable, replying to John P, 1, #485 of 1863 🔗

“vaccine. noun. 1 (medicine) A preparation containing killed or weakened (attenuated) bacteria or viruses, or serum containing specific antibodies, used in vaccination to confer temporary or permanent immunity to a bacterial or viral disease by stimulating the body to produce antibodies to a specific bacterium or virus.”

Great! Well, this vaccine is none of those things.

296746 ▶▶ OKUK, replying to John P, #486 of 1863 🔗

So you are saying the flu vaccine is nto a vaccine? Also, did you read the Collins dictionary definition of a “drug”. Clearly a vaccine is (or can be if it works) a “chemical” that “prevents illness”.

296512 Sarigan, 6, #487 of 1863 🔗

Bad news for Glaxo Smith Kline shareholders. Shame.

296518 peter, replying to peter, -3, #488 of 1863 🔗

Someone tell this fucking idiot Will Jones that covid 19 doesn’t exist.

296553 ▶▶ Steeve, replying to peter, 3, #489 of 1863 🔗


296646 ▶▶▶ Nigel Sherratt, replying to Steeve, 2, #490 of 1863 🔗

It’s behind us!

296564 ▶▶ John P, replying to peter, 3, #491 of 1863 🔗

I don’t know why Will and Toby bother sometimes …

296566 ▶▶ annie, replying to peter, 14, #492 of 1863 🔗

Please don’t insult Will or Toby. Without them we are nothing. And Covid19 does exist. There us a difference between sceptical and ridiculous.

296569 ▶▶ Eddy, replying to peter, -3, #493 of 1863 🔗

As long as they think it’s real they are advocating the lockdowns they are against.

296632 ▶▶▶ Julian, replying to Eddy, 12, #494 of 1863 🔗

I don’t see how one follows from the other

Viruses circulate, new ones appear, they mutate, they kill people. They are part of life. We choose how to deal with this – the reaction could be proportionate, or not.

In this case, the reaction has been disproportionate beyond all reasonable measure, and even if the virus had been as dangerous as was first stated, the reaction can’t be justified on rational grounds, IMO, unless one completely re-evaluates what life is all about.

This is a very important debate, in which humans need to face up to certain realities and make choices

Now I have not “seen” this virus so I cannot swear it exists but the evidence points in that direction – however it’s in many ways irrelevant – this is about perception of threat, and how we deal with it

296621 ▶▶ Julian, replying to peter, 3, #495 of 1863 🔗

I’m not sure there is much mileage to be gained from saying it doesn’t exist

Certain countries have seen a spike in deaths, consistent with a new virus of some kind, though in some countries the waters have been muddied by lockdowns and interventions in the provision of healthcare that have probably contributed to an increase in mortality

296693 ▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to Julian, 1, #496 of 1863 🔗

Consistent also with highly dodgy recording of causes of death.

296741 ▶▶▶▶ Julian, replying to JohnB, 2, #497 of 1863 🔗

Oh the figures are dodgy, but it cannot be denied that in a number of countries more people died this year than has been usual in recent years, with a pronounced spike in April, and that the numbers of extra deaths are roughly in line with alleged covid deaths

297267 ▶▶▶▶▶ Richard Pinch, replying to Julian, #498 of 1863 🔗

it cannot be denied

It not only can be, it is. See further down the page …

296673 ▶▶ Bugle, replying to peter, 1, #499 of 1863 🔗

No need for this, is there?

296896 ▶▶ Mr Dee, replying to peter, 2, #500 of 1863 🔗

Question everything. Including the claim Covid 19 doesn’t exist.

297101 ▶▶ Ben, replying to peter, 1, #501 of 1863 🔗

Covid-19 seems to have passed in the Spring and been replaced by flu. It’s why the Gov’t changed the wording from Covid-19 to Coronavirus or Covid

From what I’ve read, Covid-19 was a partial virus hence why it wasn’t isolated. I’m guessing we have flu now, but renamed Covid to fit the agenda. Flu seems to have disappeared and there are no statistics about it

296528 J4mes, replying to J4mes, 4, #502 of 1863 🔗

Surely the case of Caroline Nokes is one which would normally result in her own incarceration within HMP? Oh but she was only JOKING! How silly of those who took her seriously while she demands the entire country be locked-down.

296643 ▶▶ Nigel Sherratt, replying to J4mes, 1, #503 of 1863 🔗

Daddy really should have given her that pony.

296532 PastImperfect, 5, #504 of 1863 🔗

This video needs to be promoted as widely as possible.

“I CAN’T KEEP DOING THIS”: Doctor pleads for review of data during COVID-19 Senate hearing – YouTube

(I picked this link up from another LS comment.)

296535 Biggles, 12, #505 of 1863 🔗

And without a hint of irony today’s front page headline in the Daily Express is ‘All we ever wanted was our freedom’. It’s about Brexit of course.

296541 Fingerache Philip., replying to Fingerache Philip., 12, #506 of 1863 🔗

Just caught up with Question time from last night and I am sure that my FS’s will agree that JHB did fantastically well and truly held her own against the usual line-up (questions and answers) of sheep and collaborators spouting the usual clap trap,” people not following the rules/ stronger and more lockdowns,blah,blah,etc,etc”.
JHB is the total opposite (politically) to me but I thought she was brilliant against the massed forces of the new religion.

296759 ▶▶ arfurmo, replying to Fingerache Philip., 2, #507 of 1863 🔗

Disappointed that noone was anti muzzle. The bloke who complained that there were three people unmuzzled in a supermarket who were fit and healthy should have been told that not all disabilities are visible.

296802 ▶▶▶ Fingerache Philip., replying to arfurmo, 1, #508 of 1863 🔗

If he and others are not aware that people without masks in shops have a valid exemption not to,then they are past caring about.

296891 ▶▶▶ Mr Dee, replying to arfurmo, 2, #509 of 1863 🔗

Has that bloke not heard of home deliveries? Why can’t these people barricade themselves under the stairs and leave the rest of us to get on with life?

296961 ▶▶▶▶ Fingerache Philip., replying to Mr Dee, 1, #510 of 1863 🔗

We can but hope.

297056 ▶▶ OKUK, replying to Fingerache Philip., 3, #511 of 1863 🔗

She’s recklessly pro the rushed vaccine and she is pro masking. Even her opposition to lockdown does extend as far as permitting pubs to operate as they used to. It seems she wants them to maintain Covid controls on a voluntary basis.

297181 ▶▶▶ Borisbullshit, replying to OKUK, #512 of 1863 🔗

She is a partial ally…at best.

297286 ▶▶▶ Ben, replying to OKUK, 1, #513 of 1863 🔗

Controlled opposition I fear. There are many

297571 ▶▶▶ stefarm, replying to OKUK, #514 of 1863 🔗

She is making a name for herself along with lots of other people

296549 J4mes, 3, #515 of 1863 🔗

The link to the Santa NHS advert is: https://www.nhscharitiestogether.co.uk/christmas/

This will help when making a complaint about it on the ASA.

296554 PoshPanic, 3, #516 of 1863 🔗

Hey kids! Meet Team Halo, they’re doctors and scientists and stuff and they’ll Til Tok you to take the vaccine 🕺 🤩


296556 Kev, replying to Kev, 18, #517 of 1863 🔗

3 weeks to flatten the curve

9 months to destroy the economy, social cohesion, trust, freedom, rights, jobs, businesses, prospects, childrens futures, families, communities, fun, humanity, liberties – did I miss anything?

296558 ▶▶ annie, replying to Kev, 5, #518 of 1863 🔗


296559 ▶▶▶ Kev, replying to annie, 3, #519 of 1863 🔗

Shit yes, or should that be lives? Both.

296561 ▶▶ kh1485, replying to Kev, 3, #520 of 1863 🔗

Brilliant. Mind if I use for my blackboard protest?

Today’s is: 11 December ’20 – The day justice died.

296573 ▶▶▶ Kev, replying to kh1485, 3, #521 of 1863 🔗

Please do but add life and lives, and maybe truth, honesty, integrity and timely medical interventions.

296579 ▶▶▶▶ kh1485, replying to Kev, 3, #522 of 1863 🔗

I’ll need a bigger blackboard …

296562 ▶▶ Eddy, replying to Kev, 1, #523 of 1863 🔗

All in the plan.

296571 ▶▶ T. Prince, replying to Kev, 2, #524 of 1863 🔗

Wanton vandalism and possibly even manslaughter by the establishment thugs?

296587 ▶▶ godowneasy, replying to Kev, 3, #525 of 1863 🔗

The human immune system – this was made redundant
Logic and reason / common sense
The “science”

296594 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to Kev, 1, #526 of 1863 🔗

It’s only temporary. Just do this and we can get back to normal.

I got that thrown at me when Quantas issued their diktat about no vax no travel.

And we have the Global Commons Project preparing for this since July. They have a website telling us all about it. People are willfully ignorant yet have such strong opinions. We are f**ked

296670 ▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 1, #527 of 1863 🔗

The ignorant have always had stronger opinions – it somehow makes up for their lack of knowledge.

296617 ▶▶ Seansaighdeoir, replying to Kev, #528 of 1863 🔗

Mental health, general well-being.

296618 ▶▶ DeepBlueYonder, replying to Kev, 1, #529 of 1863 🔗

Truth, honour, justice.

296572 John P, replying to John P, 22, #530 of 1863 🔗

Thank you Will for another sterling summary of the current situation.

We all owe you and Toby and the newest members of the lockdown sceptics editorial team a huge debt of gratitude for the fantastic work you have done over the past nine months in trying to bring accurate information about the lockdowns to a wider audience.

296589 ▶▶ kh1485, replying to John P, 3, #531 of 1863 🔗

Hear, hear.

296616 ▶▶ PoshPanic, replying to John P, 2, #532 of 1863 🔗

Well said

296576 dave b, replying to dave b, 6, #533 of 1863 🔗

It looks like the PCR tests at Cambridge University were performed by their own laboratories?

Of the  initially circa 10 positives /10,000 ;

that is a perfectly acceptable false positive rate for the laboratory that performed the analysis ; and it could be expected that, at that presumptive false positive rate, all of the 10 would not register positive upon the second test.

It is interesting though that it appears that the prevalence at the university recently eg

23rd – 28th Nov          3/ 9,329    0.03%

29th Nov – 6 th Dec   0/ 9,376       0


Is very much lower than that inferred from government data for Cambridge; which I believe is approximately 6/10,000

Even though the Cambridge data might be skewed lower as it is of “asymptomatic” cases.

The high case rate in hospitals may in part be due to a statistical artifact of a high false positive and repeat testing of the same individuals.

If the false positive rate is 5%, and everyone during a 10 day stay, is tested each day then 50% of people will test positive once [and be diagnosed covid positive for 28 days?] .

This dataset should be extremely interesting eg a large set of data of the same individuals being repeat tested over periods of time.

It would depend as well on which laboratories are performing the tests eg pillar 1 or 2.

it would also be likely to exaggerate the deaths with covid data.

I can not overstate how utterly absurd and, with a literal use of the word, how incredible it is that the false positive rate is unknown.

No analytical laboratory, including my own, can operate and perform any test of any kind without a declared detection limit [ eg positive or negative] for each test with its associated false positive rate.

In Analytical chemistry the standard is to set the detection limit at a level at which 99% of the results are “true”.


Although it is “legitimate” to set the detection limit at anything you wish eg 35 cycles and then determine its false positive rate.

296636 ▶▶ Nigel Sherratt, replying to dave b, #534 of 1863 🔗

And then the idiot Cambridge Prof. said it was due to the students’ good behaviour.

296578 Mark, replying to Mark, 2, #535 of 1863 🔗

James Alexander’s piece is very good.

Two excellent coinages: Polis20 and cockupspiracy, that encapsulate concepts that need to be spread around. Of course, if we sceptics had the political and social power to spread those coinages, we probably wouldn’t be where we are now, but anyway.

Creating words to summarise and embody politically useful concepts is extremely powerful (consider the immense impact of coinages like the smear terms “antivaxxer”, “racist” “homophobe”, over decades, or concepts like “Brexit” or “global warming”). Once you have a term in the language for something, people can imbue that issue with importance and campaign around it.

Polis20 especially is the kind of term that could be vital, if it could be imprinted on the public discourse, in getting people to viscerally understand the key distinction between costs of the virus itself, and separate costs imposed by the political and social response.

296767 ▶▶ OKUK, replying to Mark, 1, #536 of 1863 🔗

I coined “prospiracy” where groups and individuals take opportunistic advantage of an event and work together, in an underhand and non transparent manner for nefarious or other purposes. Cockupspiracy places too much weight on the cock-up side of things. Is it a cock-up that no one is talking about the use of Ivermectin? Of course not. Medics, media, epidemiologists, Big Pharma and ministers are actively choosing not to.

296902 ▶▶▶ Mark, replying to OKUK, #537 of 1863 🔗

It’s one thing to coin a good term, another to get it into the general discourse. Sadly it’s probably unlikely either you or Alexander will have the clout to do the latter.

Cockupspiracy places too much weight on the cock-up side of things.

That’s a matter of opinion, obviously. For me, it’s correct to place a lot of weight on cockup, because fundamentally this is (imo) cockup rather than conspiracy. There was no knowing, controlling intent behind the coronapanic as a whole. In the UK nobody imo “ordered” Johnson to panic, though plenty mis-advised him to do so.

Clearly there has been and is plenty of intent behind particular aspects of it, such as the one you highlight, and behind pushing it opportunistically to further particular agendas and interests. But these are subordinate to the overall issue of the panic around the latest coronavirus cold to hit humanity.

296938 ▶▶ OKUK, replying to Mark, #538 of 1863 🔗

I claim Remainiac as my coinage. The proof is lost in the mists of time. 🙂

I doubt prospiracy will catch on but you never know,

296580 peyrole, replying to peyrole, 19, #539 of 1863 🔗

The BMJ article mentioned today is the way forward to put a stop to this.
Like everything else this is about money. And the government is spreading £bns around like confetti, its an orgy with snouts in the trough.
The people behind this site should put all their energies into supporting the BMJ in their attempts to unravel the truth of who is getting what from whom.
THIS IS HOW TO STOP THEM. Full publicity of all the rip offs, naming names etc. Scandals in the red tops.

296586 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to peyrole, 2, #540 of 1863 🔗

It’s certainly a biggie. Our politicians should be all over this as its their playing field, as opposed to things like PCR and Pseudo Epidemics. That’s massive too but quite technical. Corruption/cronyism should be their bread and butter, an open goal.

296602 ▶▶▶ John P, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 4, #541 of 1863 🔗

Corruption/cronyism has long been the preserve of politicians.

They are the ones engaging in it.

Those seeking a distraction from the present day nightmare might be interested in the following discussion on this subject from 2016:

“Ian Hislop urges investigation into Michael Gove and Rupert Murdoch”


Ian Hislop and his colleague Richard Brooks present their case to the Public Administration and Constitutional Affairs select committee.

296607 ▶▶ Julian, replying to peyrole, 2, #542 of 1863 🔗

The people behind this site may be busy with other things like the FSU, but if there are financial backers behind it I would hope they could speak to some contacts and organise a huge campaign to rescue this country from certain doom, linking with other sceptic organisations, individuals and political parties

This thing needs millions of pounds of funding and professional management and staffing

296620 ▶▶▶ John P, replying to Julian, 1, #543 of 1863 🔗

“The people behind this site may be busy with other things like the FSU.”

You mean Toby Young.

I think Toby’s current office is his garden shed, Julian. Toby and Will recently advertised for some new people to edit the main page. Salary £75 per day as I recall.

I don’t think there’s a lot of money in this for Toby.

It doesn’t cost millions to set up a blog, mostly just the desire to do it.

296640 ▶▶▶▶ Julian, replying to John P, #544 of 1863 🔗

Yes TY is busy and I would not expect him to organise this, but he may have financial backers with contacts and clout and money who could organise a coalition

And yes, I do not think TY is in this for the money

We need more than blogs. We need something to counteract the BBC and the SPI-B and the rest of the media, and it needs to be done by full time professionals with millions to spend – though if such a beast emerged it might well get banned

296629 ▶▶▶ DeepBlueYonder, replying to Julian, #545 of 1863 🔗

I agree Julian. There also needs to be funding for academic research into the many questions that have been raised since March (which I suspect existing research funding bodies may be reluctant to support).

296642 ▶▶▶▶ Julian, replying to DeepBlueYonder, 1, #546 of 1863 🔗

Governments have in general seemed profoundly uninterested in finding out more about covid

296592 Squire Western, replying to Squire Western, 16, #547 of 1863 🔗

Perhaps someone with film-making skills might like to make a second film about Santa and COVID-19. In this more honest version Santa would be taken into hospital having sustained a leg-injury in a sleigh-related incident. After spending an unconscionable time on a trolley awaiting triage he is put on a ward. Later a Covid patient is placed in the same ward and rapidly infects other patients, Santa included. Being well over a thousand years old he is in a vulnerable group and is taken to intensive care, intubated and dies. The final shot would be reindeers and elves sadly waving goodbye from outside – they are not allowed to visit ‘Nick’ as Santa is referred to by the nurses, because of hospital policies to prevent Covid19 infections.

296654 ▶▶ tonyspurs, replying to Squire Western, 1, #548 of 1863 🔗

With a NHS it’s your “Last Christmas” tik tok dance routine in the background

296751 ▶▶ OKUK, replying to Squire Western, #549 of 1863 🔗

That got a hohoho from me!

297075 ▶▶ Ben, replying to Squire Western, 1, #550 of 1863 🔗

This assumes all tests are accurate which leads to the problem of healthy people being tested and being found positive for Covid when they have no symptoms – they’re healthy.

There is also the Government rules counting ordinary influenza and pneumonia as Covid. The tests cannot be trusted

297562 ▶▶ Spikedee1, replying to Squire Western, #551 of 1863 🔗

No the final shot is the elves having to self isolate for 14 days because the are pinged by t+t and the reindeer get put down as they probably have it too. Oh I love a happy ending!

296596 Arnie, replying to Arnie, 28, #552 of 1863 🔗

Kids are just kids but the latest thing at my kids college is what the kids are calling ‘covid torrets’, somebody cries out ‘cos covid’, another shouts ‘tick tick’ and yet another shouts ‘fuk fuk!’.

It’s driving the teachers mad apparently. Even if the kids are caught doing it they are claiming mental health issues, specifically anxiety so can’t be punished apparently…

Kids eh?


296623 ▶▶ Nigel Sherratt, replying to Arnie, 6, #553 of 1863 🔗

There is hope!

296628 ▶▶▶ Arnie, replying to Nigel Sherratt, 3, #554 of 1863 🔗

It makes me smile on many levels every time they tell me about it.

296660 ▶▶ rose, replying to Arnie, 3, #555 of 1863 🔗

Brilliant. Hope their example spreads virally throughout the country!!

296672 ▶▶▶ Arnie, replying to rose, 1, #556 of 1863 🔗

Ahaha, ‘virally’, erm… Totally agree though. Bless ’em…


296600 PWL, replying to PWL, 1, #557 of 1863 🔗

Nokes is going to find out about being locked up, and she ain’t the only one.
Amongst Fear-Mongered Vaccine Rollout Anti-Climax, Old People Being Used As Guinea Pigs

296750 ▶▶ JanMasarykMunich, replying to PWL, 1, #558 of 1863 🔗

Good piece. FBEL is always worth a read. He is very confident that the PTB are not as powerful as they represent themselves to be, and will back down if confronted by enough active resistance. Which is a good message. He also has an excellent sardonic style.

296601 Eddy, 8, #559 of 1863 🔗

The near total collapse of everything due to a common cold. SCAM

296603 T. Prince, replying to T. Prince, 2, #560 of 1863 🔗

Very good piece (7 minutes), never heard of Steve Hilton, English presenter on Fox in the US but VERY good!


296610 ▶▶ tinxx, replying to T. Prince, 1, #561 of 1863 🔗

He was David Cameron’s “blue sky thinker”

296659 ▶▶▶ Bugle, replying to tinxx, #562 of 1863 🔗

Hilton’s “sky” was a bit too blue, though.

296695 ▶▶▶ T. Prince, replying to tinxx, #563 of 1863 🔗

Did he take a helicopter view…….?

296613 ▶▶ Nigel Sherratt, replying to T. Prince, #564 of 1863 🔗

Director of strategy for David Cameron from 2010 to 2012.

296606 Arnie, replying to Arnie, 37, #565 of 1863 🔗

I just dropped my kids off to college today. First time in two or three weeks. All the kids are wearing lanyards, I thought that this was for id purposes… ‘it is Dad’, said my oldest with over obvious patience, ‘look more closely…’.

They ALL have Sunflower lanyards! They are ALL (ahem) exempt!!

Apparently it is THE gift to be giving each other at the moment.

I sat there agog taking it all in. The kids already have to wear a lanyard for id so it’s no problem wearing one with sunflowers on, no more wretched mask wearing! Genius.


296652 ▶▶ Victoria, replying to Arnie, 6, #566 of 1863 🔗


296730 ▶▶ annie, replying to Arnie, 5, #567 of 1863 🔗

I used to dislike children. But I LOVE these children.

296877 ▶▶▶ Mr Dee, replying to annie, 5, #568 of 1863 🔗

You’d like my little girl. A vehement anti-masker at the tender age of 9. She embarrassed her Nan in a queue a few months back by very loudly stating “All these people wearing masks are stupid, don’t you think so Nan?”

I’m teaching her the power of questioning everything right now. I tell her something nonsensical, and she goes off to do her own research, and then comes back, quite angrily, saying “Daddy, I’ve done an experiment and what you said is NOT TRUE!”

296860 ▶▶ Mr Dee, replying to Arnie, 1, #569 of 1863 🔗


296624 tinxx, 1, #570 of 1863 🔗

Love the fact that you are featuring Babylon Bee here – I am a big fan of their nonsense – having said that, they often have the best take on American politics!

296625 RickH, replying to RickH, 8, #571 of 1863 🔗

The link to a video clip of Kary Mullis (above) :

Kary Mullis, inventor of the PCR test, says the tests are meant to magnify material not test for anything

… is sheer gold in his summation of the problem of crap scientists (in this case Fauci in particular) at the top of the public health tree. It rings so many bells in the UK context when condemns the tribe for knowing nothing about anything and ‘the sheep’ being misled and unable to jusge good from bad science.

296663 ▶▶ John P, replying to RickH, #572 of 1863 🔗

Yes, exactly. It’s not really a test. It is being used for a purpose for which it was not designed.

“In 1984, Kary Mullis devised an ingenious method called the polymerase chain reaction (PCR) for amplifying specific DNA sequences.” – p151, “Biochemistry”, Stryer et al (7th Ed).

296633 Harry hopkins, 4, #573 of 1863 🔗

Orson Welles and his 1938 broadcast of H. G. Welles’—War of the worlds. .

Popular wisdom has it that America was plunged into panic and mass hysteria on October 30th 1938 following the live broadcast by a twenty three year old Orson Welles. But was it? Well. fake news was alive and well and flourishing then just as it is now. The desire to scare the public through blatant lies, invention and a complete ignorance and absence of facts was just as prevalent then as it is now. In 1938 of course the radio was the only broadcast news whilst the printed media was everywhere.

Watch this short film…I’m sure you will enjoy it. Towards the end the message it sends could not be more relevant today.


And if you would like to listen to the original Welles 1938 broadcast it is here:


296639 karenovirus, replying to karenovirus, 4, #574 of 1863 🔗

BBC News ‘Bank of England are confident that the high street banks will be fine as they have reserves of £200 Billion to soak up bad loans’.
So that’s alright then. No problems until after £200 Billion lost in bankruptcies.

296920 ▶▶ D B, replying to karenovirus, 1, #575 of 1863 🔗

Don’t we the poor taxpayers own half of those banks anyway?

296647 Banjones, replying to Banjones, 14, #576 of 1863 🔗

We know these ‘lockdowns’ are ludicrous and ineffective. I keep remembering what Dr Mike Yeadon said – that it’s like trying to hide from the weather. It’s still there when you come out.
Like everyone else here, I’m utterly sickened by our ”leaders”. The fact that they follow a world-wide pattern really makes it seem as if they are in thrall to a cult, and following the brainwashing agenda. Otherwise, how can nearly ALL of them be so evil/dimwitted/self-serving/arrogant/unsympathetic/pitiless/whatever?
As Boris slumped there, a couple of weeks ago, looking less sentient than a sack of potatoes, slobbily and vacantly watching the passion of Desmond Swayne, it was very obvious that there is most definitely no-one at the helm.

296658 ▶▶ Alice, replying to Banjones, 3, #577 of 1863 🔗

Don’t worry, Melinda is at the helm!

296648 Kev, replying to Kev, 10, #578 of 1863 🔗

Who could possibly have imagined this time last year that for Christmas 2020 we would be advised to follow recommendations like this:

  • Put old people near an open window
  • Maintain a safe distance
  • Wear a mask in your own home
  • Take your own knife, fork, spoon and plate – and put them in the dishwasher yourself
  • Avoid hugs or physical contact, do elbow bumps instead
  • Eat outside if possible – like if you live in Australia or Florida maybe
  • Avoid roast potatoes – did I imagine that one?

There were plenty of others, but I had to mention a fun suggestion on the Goodhousekeeping webshite –

Make your own fun festive masks – FFS

It seems half the population are just not worth saving!

296666 ▶▶ Noumenon, replying to Kev, 2, #579 of 1863 🔗

“Put old people near an open window.”

What are they, pot plants?

296668 ▶▶▶ Noumenon, replying to Noumenon, #580 of 1863 🔗

I suppose they need regular watering too?

296727 ▶▶▶ annie, replying to Noumenon, 1, #581 of 1863 🔗

You wouldn’t a pot plant near an open window in the depth of winter. You’d probably kill it.

296733 ▶▶ JanMasarykMunich, replying to Kev, 1, #582 of 1863 🔗

Avoid roast potatoes?

296757 ▶▶▶ annie, replying to JanMasarykMunich, #583 of 1863 🔗

That was Turdgeon, telling Scots that if they took roast potatoes from a shared dish they woukd sadlidie in Covidsgony

296761 ▶▶ Sam Vimes, replying to Kev, 1, #584 of 1863 🔗
  • No.
  • No.
  • No.
  • No.
  • No.
  • No.
  • No.
296650 Arnie, replying to Arnie, 25, #585 of 1863 🔗

I know I’m waffling on about kids today but they are our future after all and many, many of them are not having any truck with coronabollocks but they are dealing with it in their own ways.

My tiny person has to sing ‘Little Donkey’ at school for a DVD that is being distributed to care homes & elderly people locally. This is wrong on so many levels. We are deeply involved in very heated ‘discussions’ about this.

In the meantime tiny person has taken it upon themselves to sing ‘Little ZOMBIE’ instead! They have made up a song about mask wearing.

So far the teachers haven’t noticed so hopefully this will go out on the distribution.

I’m very proud of my kids, they are making their own minds up about all this b*llocks. I don’t think it’s just my kids either…


296656 ▶▶ kh1485, replying to Arnie, 10, #586 of 1863 🔗

‘Waffle’ away … Your posts are cheering me up today. Kids around here also treating the coronafest with contempt, which is a joy to see.

296665 ▶▶▶ Arnie, replying to kh1485, 5, #587 of 1863 🔗

Thank you KH. We all need a few rays of sunshine in our lives.
I hope you are ok.
Best Wishes,

296742 ▶▶▶▶ kh1485, replying to Arnie, 2, #588 of 1863 🔗

You too Arnie. Me? I’m OK, it’s the other buggers …kh

296721 ▶▶ annie, replying to Arnie, 4, #589 of 1863 🔗

Well done, tiny person!

296908 ▶▶ Mrs issedoff, replying to Arnie, 2, #590 of 1863 🔗

These posts have cheered me up. I love to hear of anyone, especially children, standing up to the all the crap. My other happy moment recently was my son getting fully onboard with the scepticism, I now have another buddy to pour my heart and frustrations onto!.

296655 PaulC, replying to PaulC, 22, #591 of 1863 🔗

We received an email for Viking Cruises re their new H&S Covid secure arrangements – in essence a daily PCR test, masks to be worn around the ship, pools to be pre- booked and socially distanced dining !!!!!

Dear Viking Cruises,

We have cruised regularly and were seriously considering a Viking Cruise next year.

Please let the Chairman know that there is no way we would cruise under your ‘new Viking Health and Safety Programme’.

Whereas it seems to us sensible to have some pre-boarding checks, you appear to wish to treat your guests as ‘bio-hazards’ for the duration of the cruise. Why on earth would we wish to cruise if we are to be subjected to a daily PCR test and to wear masks when walking round the ship? We would much rather stay at home.

Are your experts not aware of the various shortcomings in the PCR test?

Are your experts not aware of 40 years of research that shows that masks make virtually no difference to reducing the spread of a miniscule virus. Are they even aware of the recent Danish randomised controlled study of 50,000 people which showed no statistical difference in acquired affection rates for those who wore masks and those who didn’t?

What do your experts say to those of us who may wish to cruise but have already been vaccinated?

Part of the joy of cruising is the ability to meet new people but your H & S programme means we will view each other as potential carries of some plague.

We just hope this is not the standard going to be developed across the whole industry as, if it is, we will never cruise again.

Yours very disappointedly,

296664 ▶▶ Eddy, replying to PaulC, 7, #592 of 1863 🔗

Sounds like a floating testing lab. What a great holiday.

296669 ▶▶ alw, replying to PaulC, 2, #593 of 1863 🔗

Sea Dream Yacht Club similar. Good way to kill off cruise industry.

296681 ▶▶▶ Kev, replying to alw, 6, #594 of 1863 🔗

They deserve to go out of business.

296688 ▶▶▶▶ NorthumbrianNomad, replying to Kev, 5, #595 of 1863 🔗

I am now actively looking forward to the economic Armageddon. The country deserves the reckoning.

296787 ▶▶▶▶▶ Tom in Scotland, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, 2, #596 of 1863 🔗

Yes, I have thought since March that we might end up here and that the only way out would be economic catastrophe followed by something close to insurrection. I still can’t believe this is happening!

296807 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Kev, replying to Tom in Scotland, 1, #597 of 1863 🔗

But the plan is to “build back better” and that will be as dystopian as it sounds.

296861 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Ben, replying to Kev, 2, #598 of 1863 🔗

Better for whom though?

I wish Ernst Wolff would analyse the WEF’s role in things

297028 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Jo Dominich -, replying to Tom in Scotland, #599 of 1863 🔗

It’s coming!

296679 ▶▶ Banjones, replying to PaulC, 3, #600 of 1863 🔗

I agree entirely. Perhaps pre-boarding checks, as you say, but then if people have made their own decisions and ”risk assessments” (as we always did) then life on board should continue as it used to. I’m sure the travel insurance companies would adjust their costs accordingly!
I’ll most certainly never go on a cruise so long as these ridiculous ”rules” apply. They’re insulting in the extreme.

296718 ▶▶▶ annie, replying to Banjones, 3, #601 of 1863 🔗

What do they do if some numpty tests positive? Jail the crew and passengers in their cabins and stop calling at ports?

296710 ▶▶ annie, replying to PaulC, #602 of 1863 🔗

Did they say how long they proposed to go on with this ghastly garbage?

296711 ▶▶ Be Unshakeable, replying to PaulC, 4, #603 of 1863 🔗

I’m look forward to going on a different sort of Viking cruise when it all goes Mad Max. Not long now…

296933 ▶▶ Awkward Git, replying to PaulC, 1, #604 of 1863 🔗

Told Cunard, carnival and a couple of others companies the same.

They are not interested as they all signed the WEF controlled WTTC’s “new normal” guidelines for the travel industry.

296667 Jay Berger, replying to Jay Berger, 4, #605 of 1863 🔗

LFTs are completely useless, sorry Dr. Yeadon.
Not that PCR ones are any better, certainly not as done in 2020.

296678 ▶▶ John P, replying to Jay Berger, #606 of 1863 🔗

Thanks, but I don’t know any German.

I haven’t read Mike Yeadon’s opinions on the LFT, but question why he should be wrong about it simply because someone in Germany has another view?

296687 ▶▶▶ NorthumbrianNomad, replying to John P, 2, #607 of 1863 🔗

An Austrian politician conducted a LFT test live in parliament using a few drops of Coca Cola. The test result was positive. That’s what the linked article is about.

296708 ▶▶▶▶ annie, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, 4, #608 of 1863 🔗


296752 ▶▶▶▶▶ NorthumbrianNomad, replying to annie, #609 of 1863 🔗

I think it’s time they put the cocaine back in.

296717 ▶▶▶▶ JanMasarykMunich, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, 3, #610 of 1863 🔗

Exactly. Opposition Freedom Party MP Schnedlitz.

Reitschuster is good, a genuine independent journalist.

Of course MSM is doing its best to bury this. And attacks from the ‘fact-checkers’ are expected (though difficult to see how they can refute this).

296755 ▶▶▶▶ John P, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, #611 of 1863 🔗

I’m still not convinced one way or another on this point.

It might make for good theatre, but nobody would suggest that coca cola can be found in your blood. And the person doing this might be dishonest. I don’t generally trust politicians.

It’s a very different sort of test than PCR.

I need to understand what is involved in the LFT before coming to any conclusion about it’s effectiveness one way or another.

296831 ▶▶▶▶▶ NorthumbrianNomad, replying to John P, #612 of 1863 🔗

Relax. (An exhortation that always has the exact opposite effect, but whatever.) This is not a personal assault on Yeadon. He’s obviously right about the bigger picture. Whether lateral flow testing is an answer to anything is way down the list of what’s important here.

296990 ▶▶▶▶▶ Mark, replying to John P, #613 of 1863 🔗

It is just good theatre, as far as I can tell, both for good and for ill.

On the one hand, all it shows is that if you abuse the test and dip it in a chemical solution it would not normally encounter (apparently you aren’t supposed to eat or drink for a period before the test), it gives strange results. Hardly a shock, intellectually speaking.

On the other hand, it graphically demonstrates the fundamental truth that a test can give false results, in a way that hits home for ordinary people. So, theatrically it hammers home a vital truth, albeit via a bit of a mis-direction. In doing so it undermines public confidence in tests and in the numbers used to push the panic.

296777 ▶▶▶▶ Ben, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, 1, #614 of 1863 🔗

Tests are about control

296734 ▶▶▶ Andy Riley, replying to John P, 7, #615 of 1863 🔗

Try Google translate:

“Incredible scenes in the Austrian Parliament in Vienna: FPÖ General Secretary Michael Schnedlitz not only violently attacked the government’s corona policy. Before the eyes of the parliamentarians, he also made an attempt: After going to the lectern and starting his speech, the politician sprinkled a corona rapid test with a few drops of cola. Three minutes later the test showed a result: It was positive. So Coke triggered such a result.”

296979 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to Jay Berger, #616 of 1863 🔗


Here’s the event. Can someone download this and email to Toby?

297042 ▶▶▶ Pebbles, replying to BeBopRockSteady, #617 of 1863 🔗

I’ll send the link…

296675 NorthumbrianNomad, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, 15, #618 of 1863 🔗

The England cricketers gave up and came home from the South African tour because they weren’t in a fit mental state because they were so upset that the biosecure environment was not secure and that South African cricketers at a barbecue were not social distancing.

Either this is untrue and it’s just perverse ECB virtue-signalling propaganda, or it’s true and the England cricketers are unusually pathetic in their covidiocy (can we please reclaim this word? It’s useful), or it’s true and they are representative of a completely cowed population.

The South African board president, of course, keen to play the postcolonial card, says there was an arrogant English attitude of “poor little third world country can’t manage a biosecure bubble”. Well. South Africa wasn’t a third world country until the ANC made it one. Managing a biosecure bubble isn’t evidence of anything except delusional pettifoggery. At which the British have traditionally been abnormally good. My reactions to this acutely embarrassing and pathetic story are so contradictory I’ve had to decide not to care about it. In the wider scheme of things, cricket has been destroyed and so has international cooperation, so these sporting series are really just little afterglows of a lost world.

296702 ▶▶ RickH, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, 7, #619 of 1863 🔗

“or … they are representative of a completely cowed population”

That’s the simple explanation. It’s no good getting all self-righteous about it – that just underestimates the power of the brain-washing that has gone on, and the compreshensive exclusion of other information.

Every time I make an attempt to put someone in the picture, I realise what I am up against, even with people who in other situations are intelligent. People have to have to go through a door in order to get to see the scam in perspective. Most haven’t even seen the door.

296720 ▶▶▶ NorthumbrianNomad, replying to RickH, 3, #620 of 1863 🔗

Yes, I am now understanding this. I have been in Thailand for a year, so I have not experienced what has by all accounts been a relentless onslaught of propaganda and covid porn. I can sense that the public mind has been permanently warped by it but I have yet to experience the joy of actually meeting a zombie in real life.

Who knows, if I had been there since March, maybe I too would be denouncing mink and dressing as a bank robber to go shopping. I like to think not, though.

296713 ▶▶ kh1485, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, 2, #621 of 1863 🔗

If true, that’s really depressing. Can’t imagine Lillee, Thomson or Botham behaving like this.

296725 ▶▶▶ NorthumbrianNomad, replying to kh1485, 2, #622 of 1863 🔗

I’d love to hear what they think about it, with the microphones switched off.

296736 ▶▶ Darryl, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, 2, #623 of 1863 🔗

Looking at most UK sports people (with the exception of Tyson Fury) I think they would be terrified and probably did want to come running home. Truly pathetic.

296978 ▶▶ Mark, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, 1, #624 of 1863 🔗

Truly humiliating, on a national level.

My attitude to modern football is the same as yours to cricket. Formerly it was my main sporting interest, both as a participant and a watcher. Now, following the double whammy of taking the knee and coronapanic, I am just no longer interested. It’s just too shaming to allow myself to be interested.

297208 ▶▶▶ Borisbullshit, replying to Mark, #625 of 1863 🔗

Yes i agree….football is utterly pathetic now in so many ways.

296684 RickH, replying to RickH, 9, #626 of 1863 🔗

Am I lone in worrying that too many items in the daily bulletin still quote figures for ‘cases’ without the corrective of putting the term in context? I know many will assume it – but the lack of clarity can elide into confusion about the validity of data used.

296690 ▶▶ Banjones, replying to RickH, 5, #627 of 1863 🔗

I strongly agree. At least now the word is shown as ”cases” suggesting they’re questionable. But, as you say, it really should be made clearer what this actually means. The Terminally Terrified still no doubt think they mean bodies in corridors and overwhelmed hospitals.

296691 ▶▶ Londo Mollari, replying to RickH, 4, #628 of 1863 🔗

No, you’re not alone.

296706 ▶▶▶ annie, replying to Londo Mollari, 3, #629 of 1863 🔗

Definitely not. This perverted meaning of ‘cases’ is one of the Fascists’ most potent lies.

296735 ▶▶ Julian, replying to RickH, #630 of 1863 🔗

No, you’re not

Maybe email them to point this out?

296739 ▶▶ John P, replying to RickH, #631 of 1863 🔗

I’ve been thinking along those lines since March.

297524 ▶▶ cubby, replying to RickH, #632 of 1863 🔗

Definitely! It should be changed to “positive tests”.

296685 Alice, replying to Alice, 24, #633 of 1863 🔗

Simon Dolan is spot on, as usual:

The Reichstag Fire Decree suspended most civil liberties in Germany, including habeas corpus, freedom of expression, freedom of the press, the right of free association and public assembly. Germany 1933.

The Courts ruling mean that a Govt can,by declaring a public health emergency,do anything they want to its citizens.Literally. No scrutiny, no recourse of law. Absolute power. COVID is the UK’s Reichstag Fire

296709 ▶▶ Harry hopkins, replying to Alice, 1, #634 of 1863 🔗

‘COVID is the UK’s Reichstag Fire’

Well, we must extinguish it pronto and bring to justice those started it!

296719 ▶▶ Kev, replying to Alice, 1, #635 of 1863 🔗

Our Enabling Act 2020

296723 ▶▶ Darryl, replying to Alice, 4, #636 of 1863 🔗

Spot on, but few will take any notice. Deliberate destruction of UK institutions has been underway for years. Always knew something sinister was underway when they started with the ‘new normal’ propaganda back in March.

296689 Londo Mollari, replying to Londo Mollari, 6, #637 of 1863 🔗

India’s mysterious illness was in the same location as Covid vaccine trials. Last American Vagabond https://www.bitchute.com/video/ScbwxZRyWacp/

297022 ▶▶ Jo Dominich -, replying to Londo Mollari, 1, #638 of 1863 🔗

I think a couple of people in India who were on the trial are taking legal action against pharmaceutical. Shows u though the truth about the vaccine is being seriously buried.

296692 Victoria, replying to Victoria, 4, #639 of 1863 🔗

Covid & Vitamin C

When there’s no high tech drug that’s effective and safe – how can simple vitamins like D and C help us get back to (a more) normal life? Well they can if those simple vitamins are crucial to immune system function and there is widespread deficiency. Health authorities, medics and even politicians now understand the importance of taking vitamin D. But, this week, we co-launch an international campaign to bring attention to vitamin C. A vitamin that was lambasted until recently when used as an adjunct treatment for cancer. But the science has continued to build until it was impossible to ignore.

Now it’s vitamin C’s turn in the spotlight for covid. Check out the international campaign we’ve launched with UK nutritionist Patrick Holford, built around a key per reviewed journal article, Patrick and some of the leading vitamin C scientists and clinicians, have just published that puts all the science on vitamin C, sepsis, pneumonia and covid in one place. We ask you to please sign the petition to help place grassroots pressure on health authorities and medics to put the C into covid.

There’s mounting research on the importance of high dose vitamin C as an adjunct therapy for those seriously ill with covid disease – and, those who suffer the worse impacts from the disease, have very low vitamin C status . Their circulating levels of vitamin C are so low – they’re likely to be firmly within the levels that cause the vitamin C deficiency disease, scurvy .

Yes, scurvy may be a historic disease , but it’s very much with us in this modern world in which the vitamin C content of our industrialised food supply is so low that, for most of us, our only option is now to take vitamin C as a supplement. Or if we get really sick, have it administered intravenously by forward-thinking medics.


296722 ▶▶ T. Prince, replying to Victoria, #640 of 1863 🔗

Victoria, this has been posted before. Well worth a watch if you haven’t seen it (10 minutes). Looks like there are safe and effective treatments available but……

296763 ▶▶ Two-Six, replying to Victoria, 4, #641 of 1863 🔗

Just a thought on vitamin C. Me and the Mrs eat LOADS of fresh produce from out the garden for almost the whole year. I drink a lot of pressed fruit juice. I take the occational vitamin C+Zinc pill especially if I feel a bit of a sniffle coming on.

I think we have adequate or above average vitamin C levels. Honestly we haven’t had so much as a cold for YEARS.

However thinking about how many people eat, ready meals, take-aways, pizza, burgers, in fact most of the stuff people normally eat must be very low in Vitamin C.

In fact thinking back to when I did get a good does of the lurgy it was back when I was drinking more and eating worse, getting tired and stressed and no doubt my vitamin levels were substantially depleted.

I am sure this make a huge difference to people’s health and not in a good way.

296694 Jay Berger, replying to Jay Berger, -1, #642 of 1863 🔗

Anyone else thinking that the Mullis interview looks a bit faked?
Hope I am wrong, maybe a lip reader can investigate.

296707 ▶▶ RickH, replying to Jay Berger, #643 of 1863 🔗

Could be, I guess. Had crossed my mind. But the analysis is spot on!

296726 ▶▶▶ John P, replying to RickH, 2, #644 of 1863 🔗

I very strongly doubt it. Anyone who has ever watched a live stream or a recording of a live stream will know that sound and video are often out of sync. It happens all the time.

There are too many people on here looking for enemies and trying to sow seeds of doubt in people’s minds.

296715 ▶▶ John P, replying to Jay Berger, 1, #645 of 1863 🔗

No. I am certain you are wrong about this.

Don’t assume that all scientists are corrupt. Most are not.

296901 ▶▶ leggy, replying to Jay Berger, #646 of 1863 🔗

I have to admit, that when I first saw it I thought it looked a bit glitchy. A bit too edited. Then I had to have a word with myself and be reminded that it is not our side of this debate that are faking things. There’s no reason to fake anything on the sceptic side of the argument. All of the evidence that we need to prove, unequivocally, that what we’re witnessing is a pure, evil fraud is readily available. On the other hand, the lockdown zealots are responsible for, and for colluding in fakery on an almost unimaginable scale.

296703 Harry hopkins, replying to Harry hopkins, 2, #647 of 1863 🔗

London’s Pseudo-epidemic

The above heading leads today’s blog. Rather misleading don’t you think when the whole world is subject to a Pseudo-epidemic?

296729 ▶▶ NorthumbrianNomad, replying to Harry hopkins, 3, #648 of 1863 🔗

I don’t know what the fuss is about – London has a permanent epidemic of pseuds.

296705 Gladiatrix, replying to Gladiatrix, 2, #649 of 1863 🔗

Perhaps Toby could organise a letter of complaint to the Supreme Court that we could all sign, demanding a review of the Dolan decision.

296714 ▶▶ RickH, replying to Gladiatrix, 4, #650 of 1863 🔗

That would just be a waste of time.

296732 ▶▶▶ NorthumbrianNomad, replying to RickH, 9, #651 of 1863 🔗

I think we’re all discovering the power of letter-writing in the 21st century. It’s zero.

296712 Victoria, #652 of 1863 🔗

‘Long covid’: what is it and what might be the best way back?
Long covid’ – also known as ‘long-hauler syndrome’. It hits primarily those who have underlying conditions or are predisposed to them – perhaps being too young for the diseases themselves to have manifested. With years of syndromes linked to other viruses being ignored by the medical mainstream, we’ve been fascinated by its sudden recognition with this particular virus. Check out our piece, that uses a functional and integrative lens to look at the condition and some potential routes for recovery.

Behind the ‘long covid’ headlines

In the UK, a study from Kings College London at the end of October 2020 is fuelling the flames of hysteria. Media reporting about the paper suggested that 1 in 20 who contracted covid-19 were suffering the effects of long covid. If this were so, it would amount a large number of people; based on Worldometer data on cases, around 800,000 in the USA and 90,000 in the UK. That might justify the headlines and hysteria.

The study itself looked at data from 4,182 incident cases of covid-19 who logged their symptoms in their Covid Symptom Study app over an 8-week period. Worth noting before we go further is that 8 weeks isn’t generally long enough to be classified as chronic , a term normally applied to conditions lasting 12 weeks or more .

However, the Kings research team do acknowledge that if you had to extrapolate these data out to the rest of the UK population, only 1 in 45 would be likely to be experience some symptoms of long covid for 12 weeks (that’s more like 40,000 people, again based on Worldometer numbers).

What’s likely going on inside the body of a long-hauler?
How might we reduce our risk of long covid?
How might we reduce our risk of long covid?

The way out of long covid, as with any other post-viral syndrome, lies in the appropriate response to each individual’s symptoms to restore the loss in function. Most often these responses will be rooted in nutrition and lifestyle approaches, not drugs, because they are such powerful medicine and alter the way our genes are expressed.


296716 Kev, replying to Kev, 6, #653 of 1863 🔗

Seems like India know how to protest, an article suggested 250 million are protesting new rules Modi is trying to impose on farmers, whereby they lose out on guaranteed prices for goods. Thats about 1/5 of the population.

If we could do that against lockdowns etc that would be about 13 million people, now that would be a protest.


296747 ▶▶ JHuntz, replying to Kev, 1, #654 of 1863 🔗

Thats nuts heres hoping they can make change. conveniently nothing mentioned in our media.

296785 ▶▶ PoshPanic, replying to Kev, 1, #655 of 1863 🔗

I thought these protests were linked into the lockdowns? Many farmers had wasted crop, because of the restrictions.

296909 ▶▶ D B, replying to Kev, #656 of 1863 🔗

Seen so many people who have condemned any sort of Covid protest here, pushing for the govt to support and guarantee the farmers right to peaceful protest – hang on a sec, we don’t even have that right here!

297027 ▶▶ Ben, replying to Kev, 1, #657 of 1863 🔗

The biggest protest in human history and the media’s not touched it

296728 Fingerache Philip., replying to Fingerache Philip., 11, #658 of 1863 🔗

Random evidence of the new religion: commandment no 6; just popped down to our local bakery/cafe and I was being served when an elderly lady walked in and obviously had not read the new bible, (6th commandment): There shalt not be any more than 1 customer in the shop at any one time).
The fear and disapproval on the faces of the staff was palpable!
Have we really come to this state of affairs?

296774 ▶▶ Just about sane, replying to Fingerache Philip., 2, #659 of 1863 🔗

Yip we have, I have just been to local chemist to pick up prescription only wearing a smile on my face and one person in, the look of horror when chemist looked up and saw me maskless was priceless. He even asked me to step back from the door to allow another customer in, I was standing on one of their own bloody stickers on the floor. So nowhere near the door.
Not sure what commandment I broke.

296784 ▶▶▶ Fingerache Philip., replying to Just about sane, 1, #660 of 1863 🔗

Probably every one!

296918 ▶▶ OKUK, replying to Fingerache Philip., 1, #661 of 1863 🔗

Was it one of those places where the cakes and pastries are on display so everyone can breathe, sneeze and cough on them?

296957 ▶▶▶ Fingerache Philip., replying to OKUK, #662 of 1863 🔗

Of course!

297213 ▶▶ Borisbullshit, replying to Fingerache Philip., #663 of 1863 🔗

I’m afraid so…utterly pathetic and bed wetting.

296731 Victoria, 4, #664 of 1863 🔗

Separating health from politics
There is little doubt after the last 9 months that covid-19 has emerged as a political disease. Battle lines have been drawn around treatments and vaccines, economies have been crashed, ostensibly to save national health systems (that have never reached anywhere near breaking point), and crony ‘corporatism‘ has flourished to the tune of millions.

Citizens are the losers in all this. But far more so at the hands of politicians, the corporate elite and powerful globalist organisations like the World Economic Forum, the WHO and the International Monetary Fund than from any virus. After all, we have evolved symbiotically in partnership with viruses – and all other microbes – since time began. Our complex and intelligent immune systems know how to deal with new viruses.

Each and every one of us need to be questioning the lack of talk about healthy diets, immune-modulating vitamins and minerals, and natural treatments like quercetin, turmeric, silver and hydrogen peroxide. Yet continuing focus bordering on obsession with social isolation, masks, vaccines and what is amounting to totalitarian control.


296738 BeBopRockSteady, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 5, #665 of 1863 🔗

Test and Trace callers worked just 1pc of time as £22bn was ‘thrown at’ efforts to stop second lockdown


I welcome this sort of report. However it gives the lockdown zealots like Starmer a way out. They can always hold up the failure of track and trace as the reason why there were so many Covid deaths. Doesn’t agree with pandemic research of 20 years previous to this year, which warned it was a folly once an epidemic had taken hold.

Labour will claim under them we would have been NZ

296744 ▶▶ NorthumbrianNomad, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 5, #666 of 1863 🔗

By then (the next election), a great many angry chickens will have come home to roost. Hostages to fortune without number. (But the election won’t matter unless Farage and Fox can get some critical mass going.)

296854 ▶▶▶ Mr Dee, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, 2, #667 of 1863 🔗

Let’s set the Fox in amongst the Chickens.

296847 ▶▶ Mr Dee, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 1, #668 of 1863 🔗

Went for a meal yesterday in a local restaurant (albeit across the Welsh border thanks to the Madness of King Drakeford the Turd) – normality rating 85%, pleasingly. Zero effort at track & trace, apart from one of those code thingies stuck to the table. What a waste of resources.

296888 ▶▶▶ Sam Vimes, replying to Mr Dee, 1, #669 of 1863 🔗

The bit I like is where they put all those resources and god knows how much money into the fabled T &T system (faint sound of choir)… and then closed all the places where it is used!

296910 ▶▶▶▶ Mr Dee, replying to Sam Vimes, #670 of 1863 🔗

However, your hospitality business is fine as long as it’s attached to a movie production company…


296740 BeBopRockSteady, replying to BeBopRockSteady, #671 of 1863 🔗

Any change in the risk of suicide associated with covid-19 is likely to be dynamic. The 20% decrease in Japan early in the pandemic seemed to reverse in August, when a 7.7% rise was reported.9 Evidence from previous epidemics suggests a short term decrease in suicide can occur initially—possibly linked to a “honeymoon period” or “pulling together” phenomenon.5 Trends in certain groups may be hidden when looking at overall rates, and the National Child Mortality Database has identified a concerning signal that deaths by suicide among under 18s may have increased during the first phase of lockdown in the UK.16


296840 ▶▶ Mr Dee, replying to BeBopRockSteady, #672 of 1863 🔗

I’m not sure whether this can be checked, but anecdotal information I’ve recently received (from a mental healthcare professional) stated that last week there were zero mental health beds available throughout the UK, both in the NHS and in the private sector. I assume this is not normal for this time of year.

297026 ▶▶ Ben, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 1, #673 of 1863 🔗

Lockdown causes suicides

296929 ▶▶ mhcp, replying to BeBopRockSteady, #676 of 1863 🔗

Like I’ve said before, I’ll bet flu wasn’t tested for and in the occasions it was, it was paired with Covid hence Covid became the main respiratory condition.

So you have a sin of omission and frankly bad medical practice. You haven’t eliminated other conditions.

296756 alw, replying to alw, 6, #677 of 1863 🔗

“Those who found the concept of asymptomatic transmission suspect were right to be. Not saying it never happens. Am saying it’s implausible. Here’s why. To transmit, you need to have cultured virus …”

A thread from @MichaelYeadon3

296758 ▶▶ NorthumbrianNomad, replying to alw, 8, #678 of 1863 🔗

Respiratory viruses make you cough so you expel virus, so facilitating spreading. If you don’t cough, you don’t expel much virus. Not zero but not much. I would have thought this was self-evident. It certainly was before 2020.

296778 ▶▶▶ John P, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, 7, #679 of 1863 🔗

Well the purpose of coughing and sneezing is to expel unwanted particles from the body, so that would certainly make some sense.

I agree for the most part with what you say, but respiratory diseases don’t actually make you cough.

Coughing (and sneezing) are reflex actions to expel unwanted matter.

Coughing is a defence strategy. The virus isn’t making your body do that.

Personally I regard the idea of “asymptomatic spread” as completely ludicrous.

296812 ▶▶▶▶ NorthumbrianNomad, replying to John P, 1, #680 of 1863 🔗

I suppose what I wrote was lazy, bar-dwelling Friday night shorthand for “viruses have evolved in such a way that the irritation they cause, which provokes coughing/sneezing/whatever, enables them to take flight and launch themselves on the air for an exciting voyage of discovery that, if they’re very lucky, will end up in another nice warm wet respiratory system where they can proliferate. If there’s no virus, or very little virus, a cough can’t transmit anything and if a virus doesn’t cause irritation there won’t be much coughing”. So I suspect we’re on the same side of the argument. I shall now return to my beer.

296781 ▶▶ John P, replying to alw, 3, #681 of 1863 🔗

To transmit you would need to have a significant active viral load in your body.

Which people who have no symptoms simply cannot have.

296760 alw, 5, #682 of 1863 🔗

Us for Them Evidence Request. Please share.

296762 alw, replying to alw, 5, #683 of 1863 🔗

From Claire Craig Pathologist

296779 ▶▶ Bill Hickling, replying to alw, #684 of 1863 🔗

I cannot follow the logic here. Can anybody help?

296789 ▶▶▶ John P, replying to Bill Hickling, 1, #685 of 1863 🔗

I’m struggling. She’s not made her point very clear.

297005 ▶▶▶▶ Jo Dominich -, replying to John P, #686 of 1863 🔗

I think what she is saying is that where there has been a medical diagnosis of disease or stroke or heart attack but on the Certificate is also Covid and for the deaths that do not have covid on them but the death is attributed to the diagnosis then what u see is that those with covid on even if they are a death attributable to something else such as the original diagnosis then what happens is that the figures show that there is a correlation between them in as much as when there is a covid death even though it wasn’t the cause of it the covid death numbers increase and correspondingly death from other causes declines in the same proportion. Which should not be the case when all cause mortality would ot show such a perfect correlation. Something like that anyway.

297498 ▶▶▶▶▶ cubby, replying to Jo Dominich -, #687 of 1863 🔗

Did you write all that in one breath?

296800 ▶▶▶ John P, replying to Bill Hickling, 1, #688 of 1863 🔗

I think it would help if she used the word “certified” rather than “diagnosed”.

The word “diagnosis” is not usually applied to the dead, at least not in a public context.

297080 ▶▶▶ Dan72, replying to Bill Hickling, 1, #689 of 1863 🔗

Isn’t she saying that there are less deaths than expected from things such as heart disease, strokes etc, but magically, almost the exact same number of with Covid deaths. Basically, a heart attack gets wrongly attributed to the Covid

296892 ▶▶ Andrew K, replying to alw, #690 of 1863 🔗

These were the graphs Claire was trying to share on a zoom call (link below) but failed because she sisn’t know how to use zoom. But yes I’m also confused by what whe’s said. Does anybody have a link to the tweet.

297504 ▶▶▶ cubby, replying to Andrew K, #691 of 1863 🔗

She’s saying Covid deaths are UP
Other deaths are DOWN
But we still have the same number of deaths….

This means that Covid cures heart disease, cancer and pneumonia.
But then kills you….

If I understand statistics…..

296769 PoshPanic, 2, #692 of 1863 🔗

A good resource for posters and leaflets, if you haven’t already seen it..



When the term ‘anti-vaxxer’ is used in a professional capacity (media, politics, healthcare) all credibility is lost. It is divisive and unintellectual to generalise and ridicule. Such people are improper and amateurish at best, more accurately: Dangerous.

296772 alw, #693 of 1863 🔗

Allyson Pollock

Mass testing should be paused. No evidence of benefit -unevaluated costly experiment- it should not be rolled out in secondary schools. Rates of infection were falling in Liverpool before mass testing. Lateral flow tests are not fit for purpose. https:// bmj.com/content/371/bm j.m4744


296773 RickH, replying to RickH, 22, #694 of 1863 🔗

I’ve been trying to think of a term that encapsulates a feeling of great anger and great sadness in one bundle.

The question just arose whilst my partner and I were just listening to extracts from ‘The Messiah’ (could have been other music) – and we just started listing all the musical events that we normally participate in during December that aren’t happening : from orchestral concerts to traditional Yorkshire carol singing at the ‘Top’ Red Lion.

I think we reached about a dozen such happenings between late November and Christmas.

Half of me still finds it hard to comprehend how easily the essence of social life has been demolished – with so little resistance, and how easily pure self-regarding Evil has been substituted with an elite’s propaganda.

Just blowing off steam.

Am I sad?

Am I angry?

You bet – all at once – and in spades.

296776 ▶▶ Kev, replying to RickH, 4, #695 of 1863 🔗


296783 ▶▶▶ RickH, replying to Kev, 2, #696 of 1863 🔗

No Kev – that’s just half of it.

296798 ▶▶▶▶ Kev, replying to RickH, 3, #697 of 1863 🔗

I know, just looking for one word that sums it up.

Sometimes English is just not expressive enough.

Its not cognitive dissonance, thats for the sheep.

296866 ▶▶▶▶▶ Suze Burtenshaw, replying to Kev, #698 of 1863 🔗

How about seething black rage. Ok, three words but they come close to how I feel a lot of the time.

296835 ▶▶▶ Winston Smith, replying to Kev, 6, #699 of 1863 🔗

I feel rage.

I feel grief.

I am grieving for what they have taken away.

From me, from my wife and from my daughters.

But most of all, it’s the rage that frightens me.

296911 ▶▶▶▶ OKUK, replying to Winston Smith, 1, #700 of 1863 🔗

Stick in there pal – we’ll win through,

297023 ▶▶▶▶▶ Winston Smith, replying to OKUK, 1, #701 of 1863 🔗


296786 ▶▶ Two-Six, replying to RickH, 16, #702 of 1863 🔗

It’s a very strange emotional state to be in. After NINE month of hard-core psy-op….
How do I feel….I am not sure really. I don’t really know what day it is. I really don’t know what date it is. I really don’t care either. I have never been more alienated from “society” than I am now and that is saying something.

296792 ▶▶▶ Luckyharry69, replying to Two-Six, 8, #703 of 1863 🔗

If its any consolation I feel exactly the same.

296817 ▶▶▶▶ Janette, replying to Luckyharry69, 4, #704 of 1863 🔗

They are trying to beat us down. We must fight back. Stay strong.

297224 ▶▶▶ Borisbullshit, replying to Two-Six, #705 of 1863 🔗

Utterly spot on sadly.

297553 ▶▶▶ PastImperfect, replying to Two-Six, #706 of 1863 🔗

We really need to harness these energies to devise strategies that will counter and defeat the schemes being implemented by our totalitarian rulers.

296806 ▶▶ John P, replying to RickH, 3, #707 of 1863 🔗

I know where you are coming from and I am frequently angry and frustrated myself.

But it’s not something that I like to encourage in myself or in others.

Last night I was fuming, but elected not to come on here and speak my mind. Often people take others personally. I do that too sometimes, but again, I don’t think it helps matters.

If I am angry I look for strategies to calm down as soon as I can.

296818 ▶▶▶ Kev, replying to John P, 7, #708 of 1863 🔗

Agreed, its a negative emotion, but totally understable considering what we’ve had to endure this year.

In wider society where is there fun to be found? Going to a concert or the theatre and wearing a muzzle is not my idea of fun, more like Hell on Earth.

296859 ▶▶▶ Suze Burtenshaw, replying to John P, 1, #709 of 1863 🔗

I find a large glass of Laphroaig really helps. A world that contains both that and Bach can’t be all bad.

296869 ▶▶▶▶ Sarigan, replying to Suze Burtenshaw, #710 of 1863 🔗

Bit too smoky for me. A Balvenie, Dalwhinnie or Oban works for me.

296816 ▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to RickH, 1, #711 of 1863 🔗


296878 ▶▶ Sarigan, replying to RickH, #712 of 1863 🔗


296905 ▶▶ mjr, replying to RickH, #713 of 1863 🔗

well, the government’s and MSM’s feeling is schadenfreude for the effect of lockdown on the rest of us. So whatever the opposite of that is

296919 ▶▶ mhcp, replying to RickH, #714 of 1863 🔗

Rudyard Kipling’s IF is very apt. And useful in many circumstances.

297221 ▶▶ Borisbullshit, replying to RickH, #715 of 1863 🔗

Too true Rick….I am amazed how everyone finds it ok to destroy all cultural life…but most people just dont seem to care.

296775 Victoria, replying to Victoria, #716 of 1863 🔗

‘Long covid’: what is it and what might be the best way back?

Long covid’ – also known as ‘long-hauler syndrome’. It hits primarily those who have underlying conditions or are predisposed to them – perhaps being too young for the diseases themselves to have manifested. With years of syndromes linked to other viruses being ignored by the medical mainstream, we’ve been fascinated by its sudden recognition with this particular virus. Check out our piece, that uses a functional and integrative lens to look at the condition and some potential routes for recovery.

Behind the ‘long covid’ headlines

In the UK, a study from Kings College London at the end of October 2020 is fuelling the flames of hysteria. Media reporting about the paper suggested that 1 in 20 who contracted covid-19 were suffering the effects of long covid. If this were so, it would amount a large number of people; based on Worldometer data on cases, around 800,000 in the USA and 90,000 in the UK. That might justify the headlines and hysteria.

The study itself looked at data from 4,182 incident cases of covid-19 who logged their symptoms in their Covid Symptom Study app over an 8-week period. Worth noting before we go further is that 8 weeks isn’t generally long enough to be classified as chronic , a term normally applied to conditions lasting 12 weeks or more .

However, the Kings research team do acknowledge that if you had to extrapolate these data out to the rest of the UK population, only 1 in 45 would be likely to be experience some symptoms of long covid for 12 weeks (that’s more like 40,000 people, again based on Worldometer numbers).

What’s likely going on inside the body of a long-hauler?

How might we reduce our risk of long covid?

How might we reduce our risk of long covid?

The way out of long covid, as with any other post-viral syndrome, lies in the appropriate response to each individual’s symptoms to restore the loss in function. Most often these responses will be rooted in nutrition and lifestyle approaches, not drugs, because they are such powerful medicine and alter the way our genes are expressed.


Note: same article below awaits approval (removed one of the links)

296815 ▶▶ Winston Smith, replying to Victoria, 9, #717 of 1863 🔗

Who the fuck care? It’s just post-viral fatigue syndrome, pick yourself up and crack on!

296828 ▶▶▶ John P, replying to Winston Smith, #718 of 1863 🔗

What’s your view on the case of Derek Draper? Straight question.

296853 ▶▶▶▶ Winston Smith, replying to John P, #719 of 1863 🔗

Who’s Derek Draper?

296858 ▶▶▶ FlynnQuill, replying to Winston Smith, 2, #720 of 1863 🔗

Yip, it ain’t a new thing. However our propaganda MSM paint it as some new thing. Wankers.

296827 ▶▶ calchas, replying to Victoria, 3, #721 of 1863 🔗

When you have lots of shares in a vaccine company (or call options)like Vallance, then you are ‘long covid’.

296780 Victoria, replying to Victoria, 2, #722 of 1863 🔗

Newsletter from Free Speech Union (member since earlier this week)

 Tolerance at Cambridge

In a resounding victory for free speech, Cambridge University voted to amend its new free speech policy , abandoning the requirement to be “respectful” of others’ opinions, and opting instead for the more free speech-friendly “tolerate”. The motion was proposed by Dr Arif Ahmed, a member of the Free Speech Union’s Advisory Council, and received 1,316 votes, compared to 162 for the unamended version.

An attempt to curtail academic free speech is underway at McGill University in Canada , with various student groups calling on the Vice-Chancellor Suzanne Fortier to overhaul the Statement of Academic Freedom . Their object is to punish any students or academics engaging in “rhetorical violence” that threatens the “safety, security, and wellbeing of people of colour” – e.g. criticising the Black Lives Matter movement – something they cannot do at present thanks to the University’s free speech policy.

The FSU has started a petition on Change.org urging the Vice-Chancellor not to give in to these demands and to affirm McGill’s Statement of Academic Freedom. Please sign it.

296796 ▶▶ anon, replying to Victoria, 1, #723 of 1863 🔗

‘free speech policy’

says it all really

296810 ▶▶ John P, replying to Victoria, 2, #724 of 1863 🔗

I’ve been reading about this. I have to say, I’m not sure (in this case) that I understand what the fuss is about.

In my book being respectful and tolerant of the opinions of others amounts to the same thing.

I can respect the views of others without in any way agreeing with them. That’s an optimal position.

Richard Dawkins is a good example of someone who uses insult to make his points. His polemic “God Delusion” is a good case in point. While I would not ban Mr Dawkins’ book I nevertheless consider it to be an insulting and disrespectful attack on Christians.

Dawkins is not displaying a great deal of tolerance for those of a religious persuasion.

296830 ▶▶▶ James007, replying to John P, #725 of 1863 🔗

I get your point, but I think ‘tolerate’ is far less subjective than ‘respect’.

Dawkins clearly doesn’t respect the views of Christians, so under the original definition could actually be banned.
Any view which leads someone feeling ‘disrespected’, would not be allowed, which would cover many important topics.

Also actually there are some views I personally don’t respect. Perhaps you don’t respect some of what Dawkins writes. I would not want views I don’t respect banned, as I do ‘tolerate’ them – which means to ‘bear’, rather than positively appreciate – which is what respect means.

296852 ▶▶▶▶ John P, replying to James007, 1, #726 of 1863 🔗

I know James, but we’re quibbling about the definitions of words. I don’t see a big distinction in meaning between “tolerate” and “respect” in this context.

I can respect Dawkins’ right to free speech and be angry about his insulting views at the same time.

I am never entirely dismissive of someone elses views and opinions if they are held sincerely, but as a Catholic – albeit a lapsed and somewhat sceptical one – I find Dawkins’ book hard to stomach. I think it was designed to express scorn and disrespect and to encourage those attitudes in others.

In short, I think the man’s a wanker. But that’s just my opinion.

296912 ▶▶▶▶▶ mhcp, replying to John P, #727 of 1863 🔗

John, free speech is your right to call him a wanker to his face. And that he thinking is a big bag of shite.

Free speech is the right to be a dick.

Usually though, being a dick has consequences. But that’s what free speech is. Because the pros completely outweigh the cons

296939 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ John P, replying to mhcp, #728 of 1863 🔗

I’m not quite sure of what to make of your comment, but I’m not expecting to ever meet Dawkins face to face. I’m certainly not inclined to.

Free speech is not the right to be a dick. It is the right to speak your mind. What others think about what you say is up to them.

I think Dawkins is a dick, yes. He presumably does not share my opinion of him!

His “God Delusion” book greatly diminished my view of him. I had previously bought an earlier book penned by him and considered him to be an honest intellectual.

So I think it’s questionable whether the nastiness and scorn towards Christians as expressed in the “God Delusion” actually was in the end any sort of free speech victory for him or for atheism.

I’ll certainly never buy another book penned by him.

296845 ▶▶▶ RickH, replying to John P, 3, #729 of 1863 🔗

being respectful and tolerant of the opinions of others amounts to the same thing.”

No – they are different, and I think that being ‘respectful’ of opinions with which one fundamentally disagrees is a nonsense – by definition. The ‘respect’ should be applied to the person, not the opinion.

Simple f’rinstance : I find the Old Testament god a ludicrous and contradictory concept. There is no way that I can ‘respect’ literal belief in the idea – although I can perfectly well look at it in a literary/mythological context.

But I will respect a person who holds that contradictory belief, and not go out of my way to gratuitously offend them whilst not respecting the idea. But I will tolerate the idea, and not wish to have it banned.

296855 ▶▶▶▶ John P, replying to RickH, #730 of 1863 🔗

No no, read my answer to James007’s comment.

296867 ▶▶▶▶▶ RickH, replying to John P, #731 of 1863 🔗

It doesn’t get round the point I’m making. There is clearly a difference between respect and toleration. You tolerate Dawkins’s opinions, but you clearly don’t respect them.

In the current debate, I think the distinction becomes more important, since ‘respect’ for opinions becomes the basis of self-regarding intolerance, and a contradiction in terms.

296889 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ John P, replying to RickH, #732 of 1863 🔗

You have your opinion Rick and I have mine. We differ.

And that is the way it will have to stay.

297539 ▶▶▶▶ PastImperfect, replying to RickH, #733 of 1863 🔗

Respect has to be earned.

296788 Poppy, replying to Poppy, 96, #734 of 1863 🔗

Mandatory mass testing in schools. Making children eat mashed potato with their FINGERS because cutlery isn’t ‘Covid safe’ (ever heard of a dishwasher?!). Allowing these poor kids to freeze in classrooms and forbidding them to wear coats because the windows must always be open to let the vile, green miasma of Covid waft out. Stopping children from seeing friends and forging valuable social skills. Forcing them to wear dirty rags over their faces. Placing them in front of a screen all day and pretending it’s a substitute for a real rich and varied educational and social life.

It just beggars belief. I don’t think I’ll ever be able to come to terms with what this is doing to children. I am constantly told by my bf to stop ranting about Covid and stop being so angry because it’s not good for me, but how can anyone with a shred of humanity NOT be angry at this utterly inhumane treatment? It is so frustrating that people cannot see how anti-science these ludicrous measures are, and how much harm they will do in the long run. There is no world in the universe in which measures like these would ever be justified.

Parents have always wanted their kids to have a better life than they did. But this has got to be the first time in history where adults have put their own cowardly interests before those of their children.

It is nothing short of an absolute disgrace.

296797 ▶▶ RickH, replying to Poppy, 23, #735 of 1863 🔗

Poppy – you have summed up this really well.

… and it’s just a part of the Great Evil.

296811 ▶▶ Janette, replying to Poppy, 10, #736 of 1863 🔗

Totally agree. This has to stop.

297499 ▶▶▶ IanE, replying to Janette, 2, #737 of 1863 🔗

Yes – but I keep being reminded of a sci-fi short story that I read in my youth entitled, “I have no mouth and I must scream”!

296814 ▶▶ alw, replying to Poppy, 12, #738 of 1863 🔗

It is state sanctioned child abuse and neglect. Why is the Children’s Commissioner Anne Longfield not calling this out?

296876 ▶▶▶ annie, replying to alw, 8, #739 of 1863 🔗

Complicit, like all of them.

296820 ▶▶ calchas, replying to Poppy, 3, #740 of 1863 🔗

Please continue to rant Poppy,

296823 ▶▶ calchas, replying to Poppy, 12, #741 of 1863 🔗

Please contine to rant Poppy

296836 ▶▶ Andrew K, replying to Poppy, 31, #742 of 1863 🔗

Poppy don’t blame the people as many have been brainwashed by experts using all the tools of the state. For some reason we have escaped this, maybe our brains are wired differently. So continue the fight, never stop. Me and my wife are losing friends left right and centre but we will continue to speak out over this insanity until it stops or we are stopped.

296849 ▶▶▶ Jonathan Palmer, replying to Andrew K, 9, #743 of 1863 🔗

3 months where people were separated from family,friends and work colleagues.Government propaganda and fear porn was beamed directly into their heads with no filter.We are living with the result.

296850 ▶▶▶ Tom in Scotland, replying to Andrew K, 16, #744 of 1863 🔗

I can see what you’re saying, but even if the Covidians’ brains are wired badly, they still should function well enough to see through this nonsense, especially at this stage, when things have become so absurd.

296862 ▶▶▶▶ Kev, replying to Tom in Scotland, 7, #745 of 1863 🔗

Here’s a thought, just maybe we are more developed in evoltionary terms, those who can question and not follow with blind obedience.

Such blind obedience and inability to think independently could be a fatal flaw in those whose brains are wired badly!

296884 ▶▶▶▶ annie, replying to Tom in Scotland, 8, #746 of 1863 🔗

Care if children is about the most basic moral natural there is. If zombies can’t follow that law, they are not merely subhuman, they are subanimal.

296956 ▶▶▶▶ Jo Dominich -, replying to Tom in Scotland, 3, #747 of 1863 🔗

Ah Tom but that would require thinking critically and analytically. Much easier to keep watching the Soaps.

297348 ▶▶▶▶▶ Tom in Scotland, replying to Jo Dominich -, #748 of 1863 🔗

You may be right, sadly! I despair.

297880 ▶▶▶▶ Rowan, replying to Tom in Scotland, #749 of 1863 🔗

Too tight. They were given brains, but refuse to use them. They bear a share of the blame and it is the compliance of the unthinking masses that now threatens us all.

296955 ▶▶▶ Jo Dominich -, replying to Andrew K, 2, #750 of 1863 🔗

I think they are just trying to bump up the numbers to keep the controls going.

297245 ▶▶▶ Borisbullshit, replying to Andrew K, #751 of 1863 🔗

With friends like these……..

297787 ▶▶▶ sam, replying to Andrew K, 1, #752 of 1863 🔗

i ve lost most of my friends and if havent lost some is becuase i cant say what i think or it will end up in a fight they wont listen

296872 ▶▶ Tom in Scotland, replying to Poppy, 15, #753 of 1863 🔗

It absolutely is a disgrace beyond anything human beings have ever willingly done to themselves on such a scale. Authoritarians have taken note of this, I’m sure. The damage to older people is bad enough, but for children, it’s even worse for all the reasons you mention.

It makes me both exasperated and angry every single day. I will never forget this and never forgive those who were complicit. Yes, many were brainwashed, but I’ve come to the point where I think people need to take some responsibility and stop blaming others. I’m tired of hearing the excuses. We are getting to the point where people will need to take a stand that might cost them their job, livelihood, friends, family members, and more, but if we don’t stand up and say no to this very soon, and in great numbers, we may never be able to turn it around.

296975 ▶▶▶ Jo Dominich -, replying to Tom in Scotland, 5, #754 of 1863 🔗

Hi Tom the Governments must be delighted by how easy it has been to subjugate the nation. You are right I have had enough of their pathetic ness so to speak. For what it’s worth I think the Government hasn’t got the slightest interest in the welfare of the country it’s now about exercising power for the sake of it and that’s where it will all collapse. Sheer arrogance and hubris is where decisions are at right now. The other major weakness is, of course, not only the ponzi scheme of lies but also the cabal of power Johnson, Gove and Wancock are not fit for any office and are exercising petty tyranny without thought, Judgement or balance.

Well with a certain No Deal Brexit this country is f****d for years to come unless we all stand together and take serious action.

297512 ▶▶▶▶ PastImperfect, replying to Jo Dominich -, #755 of 1863 🔗

Exercising power as specified to further the Agenda.

296881 ▶▶ D B, replying to Poppy, 12, #756 of 1863 🔗

Poppy , my girlfriend and my family have all now told me the same “give it a rest” If you need someone to rant to, let us have it – I constantly get told my life isn’t bad, I’ve actually done fairly well out of the year, but that for me highlights the selfishness of the morons, if I have it ok I shouldn’t complain, it’s for the rights of others, myself included to choice, freedom, risks – funnily enough the same people were getting offended for black people all summer on their behalf and that was ok….

Virtue signalling, the lot of it.

297253 ▶▶▶ Borisbullshit, replying to D B, 2, #757 of 1863 🔗

Yes i get the same crap from people too…sometimes you think your loved ones would prefer it if you were an unthinking brainless sheep.

296950 ▶▶ Jo Dominich -, replying to Poppy, 5, #758 of 1863 🔗

Especially when we know from worldwide data that children and young people are the only group guaranteed NOT to get it or be at any risk of getting it.

297003 ▶▶ Al T, replying to Poppy, 7, #759 of 1863 🔗

Not forgetting that they’ll still be picking up the bill for this utter bullshit in their middle age.

After this ends, we must somehow lobby to make sure this NEVER happens again. Otherwise, every bad flu season, every time there’s a suggestion of a new respiratory virus, wankers like Piers Morgan will be demanding lockdowns. And our pusilanimous political class will doubtless oblige.

297186 ▶▶▶ Bella, replying to Al T, 3, #760 of 1863 🔗

Few will get to middle age. They’ll turn on those of us left and each other. What do you get when you constantly abuse a dog? A vicious attack animal (if they’re big enough.)

297257 ▶▶▶ Borisbullshit, replying to Al T, 4, #761 of 1863 🔗

Yes thats the most frightening aspect. Unless this is truly defeated it will become the default policy for any health problem.

297201 ▶▶ Bella, replying to Poppy, 3, #762 of 1863 🔗

You don’t take those measures against people you love, You actively defend them from those measures. To the death if necessary. So what does that say about the parents and guardians who comply? Not to mention the teachers. The very least they should do is take them out of school and ignore all unreasonable restrictions.

297243 ▶▶ Borisbullshit, replying to Poppy, 6, #763 of 1863 🔗

Feel just the same as you do. I suppose objectors to the insanity of the First World War felt the same way as vast numbers signed up to an almost certain death. I’m afraid humanity is a deeply flawed species…the pull to herd instincts are very strong once a narrative gathers momentum. Those who dissent from it become despised and sometimes executed. Lets hope it does not come to that!

Almost everyone now recognises that WW1 was madness but that didn’t stop young women shaming their fiances to sign up….even though it meant they never saw them again. It took years or decades for sanity to prevail. Lets hope it does not take that long this time.

297943 ▶▶ Ben, replying to Poppy, #764 of 1863 🔗

Face masks on children is child abuse.

296793 Freecumbria, replying to Freecumbria, 1, #765 of 1863 🔗

Latest ONS Coronavirus (Covid-19) Infection Survey out


The estimated number of new SARS-C0V-2 positive test results per 10,000 people in England (what they call ‘infections’) is not available again. Disappointingly poor from the ONS.

We calculate incidence (the number of new infections in a set period of time) by directly measuring when a participant in the study who has previously tested negative subsequently tests positive, and comparing this with the number of participants who remain negative. When enrolled on the survey, participants are swabbed weekly for five weeks and then move to monthly swabbing. Until recently, the majority of participants have been swabbed weekly providing us with regular and timely updates on the number of new infections and the “time at risk”. However, the proportion swabbed monthly has now increased. This means our estimation of incidence needs to be adapted to reflect the change in data capture to ensure the change to monthly swabbing has been fully reflected in our estimates. We are therefore taking further time to ensure we provide an accurate picture of incidence for the latest week and ensure our estimates continue to be of high quality.

The equivalent recent history from figures reported in previous reports has been

29th November to 5th December: Not available
22nd to 28th November: 4.71
15th to 21st November: Not available due to lab data issues
8th to 14th November 2020: 7.14
31st October to 6th November: 8.75
25th to 31st October: 8.38
17th to 23rd October: 9.52
10th to 16th October: 6.46
2nd to 8th October: 5.11
25th September to 1st October: 3.16

296803 ▶▶ Freecumbria, replying to Freecumbria, 1, #766 of 1863 🔗

Regional prevalence here. Quite a bit of variance between regions e.g. North West, Yorkshire, North East falling rapidly, rising in London

296808 ▶▶ Freecumbria, replying to Freecumbria, #767 of 1863 🔗

And prevalence stable in the most important age group, the over 70s

296825 ▶▶ RickH, replying to Freecumbria, 2, #768 of 1863 🔗

Disappointingly poor from the ONS”

I’m inclined to cut the ONS some slack. Their all-cause mortality figures have been one of the few clear windows into the actuality.

The problem with their infection survey – although I think they have tried to seriously deal with it – is that it is using the pig’s ear of PCR testing, and, in the end, you can’t get round the inherent flaws – although you can make some relative statistical analysis over time. But in the end, it won’t give an accurate figure for real infections.

296879 ▶▶▶ Freecumbria, replying to RickH, #769 of 1863 🔗

ONS data has been pretty good generally I agree.

But I’ve found the ONS description of how they do the Infection Survey quite opaque in many areas. I can’t recall this first test positive methodology for incidence explicitly being mentioned before, despite that being super important.

I think it has also been suggested that ONS test again when they get a positive to retest it is positive, again they’ve never clarified whether this is right or not as far as I can tell. If they do then you can’t assume that the low point of the ONS survey sets a maximum for the false positive community PCR testing because only one test is performed there.

296841 ▶▶ Freecumbria, replying to Freecumbria, #770 of 1863 🔗

Interesting bit here, where ONS confirm for their survey they measure incidence from the time a person first tests positive having previously tested negative.

Community testing is obviously completely different because a positive test may just be someone with viral fragments from an infection 2 or 3 months ago. So many many more false positives in terms of picking up ‘live’ virus in the community testing.

And remember lab quality control may be much better for ONS survey than for the community testing.

6. Incidence rate in England
Last week we estimated that during the week ending 28 November 2020 there were 4.71 new coronavirus (COVID-19) infections per 10,000 people per day (95% credible interval: 4.09 to 5.40). This equates to 25,700 new infections per day (95% credible interval: 22,300 to 29,400).

We calculate incidence (the number of new infections in a set period of time) by directly measuring when a participant in the study who has previously tested negative subsequently tests positive, and comparing this with the number of participants who remain negative.

Each week our incidence model uses the preceding eight weeks of data to support the production of the official estimate. This is our best estimate of the most recent data.
The week after, a new eight weeks of data are used to produce the next week’s official estimate, and the modelling requires an estimated smoothed trend for previous weeks. However, this smoothed trend does not override the previous week’s estimates given at the time. Hence we advise readers to use the official estimates in Table 2a to show the incidence rate for England.

When enrolled on the survey, participants are swabbed weekly for five weeks and then move to monthly swabbing. Until recently, the majority of participants have been swabbed weekly providing us with regular and timely updates on the number of new infections and the “time at risk”. However, the proportion swabbed monthly has now increased. This means our estimation of incidence needs to be adapted to reflect the change in data capture to ensure the change to monthly swabbing has been fully reflected in our estimates. We are therefore taking further time to ensure we provide an accurate picture of incidence for the latest week and ensure our estimates continue to be of high quality.

296795 Ben, replying to Ben, 21, #771 of 1863 🔗

Testing healthy people is about control

296801 ▶▶ Victoria, replying to Ben, 20, #772 of 1863 🔗


Wearing a mask is accepting control


296832 ▶▶▶ Harry hopkins, replying to Victoria, 17, #773 of 1863 🔗


Not wearing a mask is refusing to be controlled


296842 ▶▶ Jonathan Palmer, replying to Ben, 14, #774 of 1863 🔗

All the COVID measures are about control.They are similar to what an occupying force would place on a conquered people.Curfews,quarantine,House arrest.Masking.Banning of protest.The reduction of life to a basic level.
None of these has a scientific base.
Once you realise that we have been subject to a coup then they all make sense

296895 ▶▶▶ anon, replying to Jonathan Palmer, 10, #775 of 1863 🔗

flu d’etat

296805 PatrickF, replying to PatrickF, 9, #776 of 1863 🔗

Krankie talking about the “difficult, but neccessary rules.” Put a haggis in it, Nicola!
Drakeford refusing to admit his “firebreak” lockdown failed. “We could see 2500 with Coronavirus by Xmas day.”

296826 ▶▶ Just about sane, replying to PatrickF, 5, #777 of 1863 🔗

Then threatening us with the law, the law that we would break if we leave our council area. I have news for her, there’s a lot of people believe that’s no longer the case from tomorrow because we’re not in lockdown.

296838 ▶▶ Fingerache Philip., replying to PatrickF, 3, #778 of 1863 🔗

Waste of a Haggis.

296868 ▶▶▶ annie, replying to Fingerache Philip., 1, #779 of 1863 🔗

Her innards would make lousy haggis.

296885 ▶▶ John P, replying to PatrickF, 2, #780 of 1863 🔗

Drakeford’s just a quack.

296958 ▶▶ DRW, replying to PatrickF, 1, #781 of 1863 🔗

If the first one worked you wouldn’t need another one you tosspot!

297017 ▶▶ Ben, replying to PatrickF, 1, #782 of 1863 🔗

Is that the asymptomatic healthy cases of coronavirus or the cold and flu like symptom cases?

296821 JanMasarykMunich, replying to JanMasarykMunich, 9, #783 of 1863 🔗

I know that people were saying that they thought Wancock was smiling rather than crying on TV. The image here (sorry, I would copy it here, but my technical skills are not up to it) makes it clear that he is actually smirking like a schoolboy.

296829 ▶▶ Suze Burtenshaw, replying to JanMasarykMunich, 7, #784 of 1863 🔗

Thing of it is, psychopaths don’t do emotion and they don’t connect with other humans. Those faux tears were as good as it gets for Hancockup.

296880 ▶▶ John P, replying to JanMasarykMunich, #785 of 1863 🔗

No, there was a box of onions under the desk. Delia Smith had just finished filming in the studio and they had forgot to clear them away. Heads will roll!

296940 ▶▶ Jonathan Palmer, replying to JanMasarykMunich, 1, #786 of 1863 🔗

He was smirking at the name of the patient.William Shakespeare of Warwick.Talk about taking the piss

297170 ▶▶▶ Bella, replying to Jonathan Palmer, #787 of 1863 🔗

This is the first I’ve heard of Bill Shakespeare and Warwick. Is that a bad joke? Or do they really think we’re that thick?

296941 ▶▶ Victoria, replying to JanMasarykMunich, 2, #788 of 1863 🔗

Yes, a real slap in the face

297037 ▶▶▶ Winston Smith, replying to Victoria, #789 of 1863 🔗


Arthur kills Matt Hancock

I watch that video, imagining Hancock in Frederik’s place…..

296822 Fingerache Philip., replying to Fingerache Philip., 14, #790 of 1863 🔗

If people drink too much,eat too much or take drugs, they have a problem.
If people don’t social distance, wear face nappies and don’t follow the ever more ridiculous rules, then they are selfish, irresponsible and stupid!
No, I don’t get it either.

296917 ▶▶ Fiona Walker, replying to Fingerache Philip., 16, #791 of 1863 🔗

Here’s the thing. If you don’t like the look of me, or think I might be a carrier, just stay away from me. I am responsible for no-one’s health but my own, which is why I move away from smokers and don’t jog next to a busy road. But it’s up to you to smoke or drive, I don’t try to stop you. My freedom does not end where your (their) fears begin.

296924 ▶▶▶ Fingerache Philip., replying to Fiona Walker, 3, #792 of 1863 🔗

Simple as that,Fiona.

296833 Ben, replying to Ben, 26, #793 of 1863 🔗

Heard from a taxi driver that someone they knew with a lifetime of heart problems had died of a heart attack. Covid was listed as the cause of death on the death certificate. The deceased’s spouse is fighting to correct the death certificate. There are so many of these stories

296977 ▶▶ Janette, replying to Ben, 4, #794 of 1863 🔗

Unfortunately I too have heard of several similar stories.

296992 ▶▶ Al T, replying to Ben, 6, #795 of 1863 🔗

Similar story from a friend of mine who’s wife’s work colleague went into hospital due to complications of stage 4 cancer.

Once in hospital, she promptly caught Covid and it was duly put on her death certificate.

297073 ▶▶ Lisa (formerly) from Toronto, replying to Ben, 2, #796 of 1863 🔗

I’ve seen the Stats Canada numbers for all-cause mortality broken down and it’s quite amazing that cancer and heart disease deaths have fallen off dramatically while Covid deaths are making up for them in basically a 1:1 ratio. We have no excess deaths in Canada but they are merely re-allocating deaths from other causes to Covid to prolong the scamdemic. This is clearly happening everywhere.

296834 Fingerache Philip., replying to Fingerache Philip., 8, #797 of 1863 🔗

Dear Dedrie, I am 72 and my right leg aches like hell but I don’t think that it’s Covid.
Have I got a problem?
Your’s faithfully,Concerned of Cleobury Mortimer.

296864 ▶▶ annie, replying to Fingerache Philip., 21, #798 of 1863 🔗

Dear Concerned

Your condition is very concerning. Aches are a symptom of Covid. You should test your leg for Covid immediately, and if the test proves positive, you must force your leg to self-isolate for fourteen days. Any other limb that has been in contact with your leg must also self-isolate. All your limbs must be masked at all times.

Keep away from me, you piece of contaminated biowaste.


296897 ▶▶▶ Fingerache Philip., replying to annie, 2, #799 of 1863 🔗

Thank you Deirdre/Annie, I feel much better now, but neither me,my leg or any other part of my poor old body ain’t going to get tested anytime soon.

296904 ▶▶▶▶ Sam Vimes, replying to Fingerache Philip., 3, #800 of 1863 🔗

Wise decision, FP. My mate had a blood test and they found it all over his body…

296907 ▶▶▶▶▶ Fingerache Philip., replying to Sam Vimes, #801 of 1863 🔗

Well,Sam, you can’t be too careful.

297032 ▶▶▶ A. Contrarian, replying to annie, 6, #802 of 1863 🔗

If only your leg had worn its mask properly at all times, you wouldn’t be in this terrible situation would you?

I’ve had terrible back ache this week. Guess I’ve got lumbar covid. Might be tricky to self isolate from my own back but I suppose it’s worth it if it save just one life.

297046 ▶▶▶▶ Fingerache Philip., replying to A. Contrarian, #803 of 1863 🔗

You know it makes sense,AC.

297269 ▶▶ Borisbullshit, replying to Fingerache Philip., 1, #804 of 1863 🔗

Ah Cleobury! Are the zombies there as bad as the ones in Wenlock and Bridgnorth? Its mask city in those places?

297493 ▶▶▶ Fingerache Philip., replying to Borisbullshit, #805 of 1863 🔗

It’s not too bad overall, Boris.

296839 James007, replying to James007, 17, #806 of 1863 🔗

Admiring the Christmas lights on my estate, I noticed one house has a large star of Bethlehem. Above it were lights spelling out, in massive letters “NHS”.
I laughed out loud.

296851 ▶▶ annie, replying to James007, 14, #807 of 1863 🔗

I’d have been sick.

296857 ▶▶ Winston Smith, replying to James007, 2, #808 of 1863 🔗

Burn it down

296865 ▶▶ John P, replying to James007, 5, #809 of 1863 🔗

The state religion.

296870 ▶▶▶ James007, replying to John P, 9, #810 of 1863 🔗

Yes indeed. Its one of the pillars of the Covidian faith.

296899 ▶▶ OKUK, replying to James007, 6, #811 of 1863 🔗

Natal Herod Service?

297082 ▶▶ Arnie, replying to James007, 2, #812 of 1863 🔗

A house near me has ‘Bollocks to Boris’ written in Christmas lights on the front of his house…


297091 ▶▶▶ Fingerache Philip., replying to Arnie, #813 of 1863 🔗

It won’t be long before the “Gestapo” closes that down.

297126 ▶▶▶ James007, replying to Arnie, #814 of 1863 🔗

Now that’s more like it!

296848 Richard O, replying to Richard O, 26, #815 of 1863 🔗

So the rejection of Simon Dolan’s Supreme Court appeal – indeed not even allowing the appeal to be heard – is surely the final nail in the coffin for the rule of law in the UK. The dictatorship now has legal approval. We have our Enabling Act.

296863 ▶▶ John P, replying to Richard O, 1, #816 of 1863 🔗

No, it’s just a setback.

296900 ▶▶▶ Richard O, replying to John P, 18, #817 of 1863 🔗

Simon Dolan sees it as more than a setback.


The Courts ruling mean that a Govt can, by declaring a public health emergency, do anything they want to its citizens. Literally.

No scrutiny, no recourse of law. Absolute power.

COVID is the UK’s Reichstag Fire

296915 ▶▶▶▶ John P, replying to Richard O, 2, #818 of 1863 🔗

Simon has not actually said that it is more than a setback, but he’s understandably not happy about it !

And actually, I don’t think Simon is about to give up. He also said this:

“Currently exploring all options.”

Even if he was about to give up that would be no reason to copy his lead.

In my book it’s a setback. Nothing more.

But if you want to throw in the towel Richard that is your choice. I’m not going down with you.

296930 ▶▶▶▶ Jo Dominich -, replying to Richard O, 1, #819 of 1863 🔗

I don’t think a state of public emergency has been declared though has it?

296934 ▶▶▶▶▶ Jonathan Palmer, replying to Jo Dominich -, 3, #820 of 1863 🔗

A medical one has and it amounts to the same thing.

296983 ▶▶▶▶ TJN, replying to Richard O, 2, #821 of 1863 🔗

You can lose every battle and still win the war.

296928 ▶▶▶ Jonathan Palmer, replying to John P, 1, #822 of 1863 🔗

It’s closedoff one the avenues.
We are left with Parliament,Media or the streets

296937 ▶▶▶▶ DRW, replying to Jonathan Palmer, 3, #823 of 1863 🔗

Or the Liverpool gym route which has proven success.

297018 ▶▶ Pebbles, replying to Richard O, 5, #824 of 1863 🔗

Devastating news. Can’t wait to hear Lord Sumption on this. I supported Simon Dolan on this and will continue to do so. Now the new big milestone will be Monday > “no punishment on people who don’t take Covid vaccine..” vote in Parliament. We truly have a British 1933 on hands now.. and the people remain sound asleep. It’s unbelievable.

297092 ▶▶ alw, replying to Richard O, #825 of 1863 🔗

I do hope so. Just been out to our favourite Italian to cheer ourselves up

296875 chaos, replying to chaos, 2, #827 of 1863 🔗

another EU extension incoming…

296893 ▶▶ DRW, replying to chaos, 5, #828 of 1863 🔗

Another Bozo humiliation incoming, with a bit of luck.

296922 ▶▶ Jonathan Palmer, replying to chaos, 3, #829 of 1863 🔗

Did you think they would ever let us leave?

297014 ▶▶▶ Ben, replying to Jonathan Palmer, 1, #830 of 1863 🔗

The EU is collapsing anyway. The Euro currency is on its last legs

297058 ▶▶ crimsonpirate, replying to chaos, 2, #831 of 1863 🔗

As Max Keiser on RT said- It’s like the film 12 years a slave- You can’t leave the plantation!

296882 Lockdown_Lunacy, replying to Lockdown_Lunacy, 28, #832 of 1863 🔗

People are really stupid.

I’ve just been contributing to a FB (I know) discussion regarding putting London into tier 3. There are some comments from people who live in the north along the lines of, ‘Yeah put them in tier 3, let their businesses go bust like ours!’

Why do people fall into this divide and rule trap so easily? They are obviously against the restrictions, so instead of wishing pain on other regions, why don’t they wake up and say ‘end the tier system, it’s screwing us all!’

296898 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to Lockdown_Lunacy, 8, #833 of 1863 🔗

They have spent years spinning a narrative (North v South divide) that has given them victim status. Covid is just another way to reinforce it when, like you say, it should be uniting force for those worst affected by the whims of technocrats

296906 ▶▶ Tom Blackburn, replying to Lockdown_Lunacy, 4, #834 of 1863 🔗

I find it’s a lot easier to be magnanimous when your local pub is open 😉

296927 ▶▶▶ bucky99, replying to Tom Blackburn, 1, #835 of 1863 🔗

I remember those days… sigh.

296932 ▶▶▶▶ Tom Blackburn, replying to bucky99, 2, #836 of 1863 🔗

I’ve had to take the drastic step of flying to Tenerife to get a pint! Then Wanksock goes a slaps a quarantine period on me, the twat bag.

296936 ▶▶▶▶▶ Sam Vimes, replying to Tom Blackburn, 3, #837 of 1863 🔗

But he did it with a ‘heavy heart’, and laughed wept openly.

296954 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Tom Blackburn, replying to Sam Vimes, 3, #838 of 1863 🔗

I’m sure he did. My town gets lumped in with the rest of the county without a second’s thought whilst London decisions come with weeks of soul searching. I agree with you, it is very difficult not to resort to base feelings of envy in these circumstances.

297013 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ RickH, replying to Tom Blackburn, 2, #839 of 1863 🔗

No – it’s not difficult if you make the effort to change perspective from the lazy equivalent of ‘the ‘up north’ meme. London isn’t all Westminster and Mayfair – a lot of it is in the same boat as the ‘provinces’ in terms of the mental distance from parliament.

The one valid point about London being in Tier 3 is that it gets the stupidity onto parliamentarians’ doorstep.

296914 ▶▶ FlynnQuill, replying to Lockdown_Lunacy, 1, #840 of 1863 🔗

Morons perhaps, and I’m from the North East. Good to see the the divide and conquer the government has been pushing since March working.

296925 ▶▶ Sam Vimes, replying to Lockdown_Lunacy, 2, #841 of 1863 🔗

Hello, North West moron/victim here; one of the 87% of the population that don’t live in London, but seem to get dictated to by it’s way of life. Of course we all want rid of all this shit, but if the Holy City does get Tier 3, then maybe, just maybe, the outrage will be such that it benefits us all. For what it’s worth, I’ve just gone through Tier3/LD2/NewT3 and I haven’t changed my behaviour one bit. Different strokes for different folks, of course.

296942 ▶▶▶ Lockdown_Lunacy, replying to Sam Vimes, 2, #842 of 1863 🔗

Not sure if I’m misunderstanding you here, but I didn’t imply that people were any more stupid in any particular region. People across the country are sucked into this.

There are plenty of normal people in London and the South East too, not just politicians and luvvies. We don’t all have the same way of life.

London and the South East haven’t been immune from the economic and societal damage either. Where have the tourists gone?

296987 ▶▶▶▶ Sam Vimes, replying to Lockdown_Lunacy, 3, #843 of 1863 🔗

Just replying to two comments in one. I think the stupid ‘region’ is the one outside this forum, LL 🙂 But, there is a real sense round here of being a poor relation to London. I call it ‘Planet London’, because it’s so different. The problem of course comes mostly from TPTB, they really do not know we exist up here. It’s their assumption that everywhere is like London that is so irritating. You get Wancock on telly, introducing mask laws, and he talks about ‘Pret’ and ‘TfL’. Not ‘the chippy’ or Northern Trains or the M62. They never do. It’s a fact that Tier3 for London will be ‘felt’ more strongly than it will here – certainly in the meejah. To be clear, I think we here are the only sane people in this country, and it’s not my intention to fall out with any of you/us.

296968 ▶▶▶ mjr, replying to Sam Vimes, 2, #844 of 1863 🔗

just needs islington to be put into tier 3

297104 ▶▶▶▶ Muzz Off, replying to mjr, 1, #845 of 1863 🔗

oi! some of us lockdown skeptics live in the belly of the beast you know

296980 ▶▶ Tenchy, replying to Lockdown_Lunacy, #846 of 1863 🔗

They don’t wake up to the reality because, as you point out, they are fucking thick!

297002 ▶▶ RickH, replying to Lockdown_Lunacy, 2, #847 of 1863 🔗

Why do people fall into this divide and rule trap so easily?”

Good question – it is dumb, and plays into the hands of the perpetrators. Unfortunately, it does happen here at times.

297029 ▶▶ A. Contrarian, replying to Lockdown_Lunacy, #848 of 1863 🔗

Surely they should be agitating to go into Tier 2, not calling for the entire country to go unnecessarily bust…

297076 ▶▶ Noumenon, replying to Lockdown_Lunacy, #849 of 1863 🔗

Because to take sides is more difficult than to stick it to those you feel are contributing to the problem by not taking sides themselves. It’s a form of projection.

“I don’t believe in lockdowns, they destroyed my life, therefore those people over there who had it better and didn’t stand up on my behalf should sacrifice everything as well.”

297078 ▶▶▶ Noumenon, replying to Noumenon, #850 of 1863 🔗

In many ways it’s actually logical because the fact is people generally don’t act until they hurt.

296883 DRW, replying to DRW, 33, #851 of 1863 🔗

Hi all. Latest drivel from Zoom University is that “because of Covid” everyone’s getting a five day essay extension. Because everyone’s grades are going through the floor more like! Illness was a legit reason for deadline extensions anyway and was used a lot during the bad cold/flu season of 2017/18, back when we all just got on with things like adults. Honestly academia is just as toxic as government, I looked on an academic website and nearly everything is basically commissioned propaganda even outside the usual suspects (epidemiology, public health etc.) There was even one advertised video called “Achieving herd immunity: How can we persaude vaccine uptake?” Not to mention the despicable collaboration of smaller institutions. Thankfully I’m in contact with some like-minded others compared to the soulless NPC drones at my former employer which has had a big impact.

Went out for a walk this morning, nature is usually an antidote on my better days and it was nice to spot two kingfishers by the small river I live close to, something my mum greatly enjoyed seeing. Some small havens of sanity still exist when it gets to you. Didn’t get to do much stickering today with the weather but I will be back soon.

Stay sceptical everyone, we ain’t losing without a fight.

296890 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to DRW, 9, #852 of 1863 🔗

There will be a legacy of under achievement from all this. They are completely insane to think they were able to turn society on and off at will, tinkering, R0 up and down. Literally insane.

296931 ▶▶▶ DRW, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 5, #853 of 1863 🔗

Just imagine if we start doing LDs for bad flu seasons, Christmas moved to June. All hail The Science (TM)!

296989 ▶▶▶▶ Will, replying to DRW, 4, #854 of 1863 🔗

The way Wancock has been talking we’ll be locking down for cold season never mind flu.

297045 ▶▶▶▶▶ DRW, replying to Will, #855 of 1863 🔗

We won’t be though.

297084 ▶▶▶ PastImperfect, replying to BeBopRockSteady, #856 of 1863 🔗

Just following the agenda playbook.

296894 ▶▶ Sarigan, replying to DRW, 7, #857 of 1863 🔗

We ain’t and won’t lose. It will be a long war though.

296913 ▶▶▶ DRW, replying to Sarigan, 8, #858 of 1863 🔗

I will still be defying this in ten years time if I have to Sarigan, I will not go easily.

297024 ▶▶ Two-Six, replying to DRW, 7, #859 of 1863 🔗

Me and Mrs 2-6 stood watching about 10000 starlings fly around in a huge clump at dusk the other day. It was amazing, they would corkscrew around the sky, stretching out into a long cylindrical blob, wheel around and bunch into a tight ball and then blob into another amazing shape, constantly moving around. Other groups would fly in and join them.

It was like they were just doing it for fun.


297040 ▶▶▶ Keen Cook, replying to Two-Six, 8, #860 of 1863 🔗

A murmuration of starlings. Makes you marvel at the beauty. Lovely.

297044 ▶▶▶▶ DRW, replying to Keen Cook, 5, #861 of 1863 🔗

Indeed, I have seen many of those, never fail to impress.

297421 ▶▶▶ Awkward Git, replying to Two-Six, 1, #862 of 1863 🔗

Winter’s here officially then.

297083 ▶▶ PastImperfect, replying to DRW, 1, #863 of 1863 🔗

Where did you get your stickers, and what are the messages/slogans?

297339 ▶▶ Tom in Scotland, replying to DRW, #864 of 1863 🔗

Sorry to hear this, but I’m not surprised. Yes, academia is toxic and perhaps more so than many other environments. I can already see that my employer (a major university in Scotland) is getting hyper-bureaucratic about the Rona and fear that this is going to stick around well after the government finally declares victory. It wouldn’t surprise me if we are ‘working from home’ well into 2022 at this rate. I haven’t been to my office since March. There is a tedious process to go through simply to get access – several pages of a form to fill in and then you need to make an appointment, apparently. Just wish I had taken more books home in March.

Yes, I’ve noticed more students citing the Rona as an excuse, but students are not the only ones. Customer service in general has deteriorated.

One of the worst aspects of all this is the decline of actual science and the outright anti-scientific component to the hysteria. You’re right about public health, which used to be respectable years ago, but which is now another outpost of wokeness and anti-scientific thinking.

As you say, however, we must continue to call this out and fight back.

296916 Sam Vimes, replying to Sam Vimes, 4, #865 of 1863 🔗

Just a minute, didn’t the Johnson ‘s (baby products) slogan used to be “No more Tiers”?

296982 ▶▶ mjr, replying to Sam Vimes, 1, #866 of 1863 🔗

No more tiers – (enough is enough) ” … streisand and summer . a classic

297033 ▶▶▶ Two-Six, replying to mjr, 1, #867 of 1863 🔗

No more tears perhaps but yes more cervical cancer due to asbestos in their baby powder.

297066 ▶▶▶▶ anon, replying to Two-Six, 1, #868 of 1863 🔗

fuck I haven’t heard that before.

for real?

297086 ▶▶▶▶▶ Two-Six, replying to anon, 2, #869 of 1863 🔗

Yes look it up, Johnson and Johnson getting sued for their baby powder causing cancer in ladies.

296921 Fingerache Philip., replying to Fingerache Philip., 7, #870 of 1863 🔗

Like my FS’s I used to get increasingly angry and annoyed when the usual sheep and collaborators were/are rolled out berating us naughty sceptics for not obeying the rules,blah,blah, etc, but then I thought to myself:”Hang on, it looks like they are loosing the argument, if they have to keep “banging on about it””.
Well, you have to hope that that is the case,don’t you?

296974 ▶▶ Banjones, replying to Fingerache Philip., 6, #871 of 1863 🔗

Speaking of ‘banging on about it’ – I’ve just walked through the churchyard (church still locked and barred) where a notice on the board announced that there is to be an open air carol service at **** Nursing Home (singing not allowed or aloud) – and the words
I can’t be the only one who feels infuriated by these words – as if we’d otherwise tend to go around coughing in strangers’ faces. (The only people who crowd and invade your space these days are those in muzzles, pushing and shoving in shops.)
I wouldn’t cause criminal damage, but I just may go back this evening and spray squirty cream all over the glass.
(But I’ll go to the service AND I’ll sing.)

297025 ▶▶▶ Fingerache Philip., replying to Banjones, 2, #872 of 1863 🔗

My wife and myself always call some shoppers either “Bodgers” or “Codgers”.
The former, even if there are 200 cans of soup/beans/whatever, “Bodge” into/over you to reach 1 particular tin, that they “must have” and the “Codgers” when confronted by said 200 cans of the “above”, have to check every single one before they choose a particular one out of the 200.
The present situation has only made the “Bodgers” and “Codgers” worse.

297128 ▶▶▶▶ Edward, replying to Fingerache Philip., 1, #873 of 1863 🔗

I’ve observed similar behaviour. I’ve seen someone dithering over the milk, so I’ve gone to another part of the shop to get something else and when I come back the same person is still dithering over the milk.

297464 ▶▶▶ Marialta, replying to Banjones, #874 of 1863 🔗

How do you have a carol service with no singing?

I’m going carol singing with Keep Britain Free outside the shopping centre in Brighton next week – with some choice new lyrics no doubt. I will report back how it goes.

296935 Harry hopkins, replying to Harry hopkins, 21, #875 of 1863 🔗

2020 and the new language.

In the light of the momentous events that have taken place this year, I thought I would compile a list (by no means exhaustive) of words, names and phrases that have revolutionised my vocabulary.

Words, names and phrases that now make my blood boil

Masks—especially black
Social distancing
lock down
track and trace.
ITV—etc. Etc.
Guardian —etc. etc.
Flatten the curve
lib dem—are they still around?
new normal
knee—as in taking

This list is far from comprehensive but feel free to add to it if you so wish.

Words, names and phrases that I now applaud. (Please note the absence of four letter words that whilst perfectly OK with me I refrain from using in memory of my dear departed mum who would not approve!)

Piers Corbyn
Ivor Cummins
U K Column
old normal
dead eyes

God, I could go on and on with this but I’ve got to go out today and spend some time among the paranoid, dead eyed and deluded sheeple who are clueless, brainwashed, unbalanced, mask wearing zombies.
Good to have this site at my finger tips—it plays a big part in my coping strategies.

296947 ▶▶ DRW, replying to Harry hopkins, 6, #876 of 1863 🔗

Me too Harry. Although whilst you’re out you might just make another unmasked shopper’s day, or even sway a wavering sheep. We have to hang on to those moments.

296971 ▶▶▶ Harry hopkins, replying to DRW, 9, #877 of 1863 🔗

In the small shops in my town I find my unmasked face is greeted with smiles and friendliness. You’re right DRW we must keep up the spread of normality.

296985 ▶▶▶▶ Dinger, replying to Harry hopkins, 17, #878 of 1863 🔗

I went into the book shop in Romsey and was scowled at for not wearing a gag. When I paid, I rummaged in my pocket for change which seemed to give the shop assistant severe indigestion judging by her facial contortions. I think she suffered a stroke when I jubilantly said I had the exact change. All fairly normal so far but then she got a spray bottle out and sanitized the money before putting it in the till! All this in an area with low “cases” (so probably none really)

297043 ▶▶▶▶▶ Two-Six, replying to Dinger, 6, #879 of 1863 🔗

Absolutely mental. I got the same in a garden center, a scared sheep behind a screen with a face nappy on went for the sanitizer after I handed her a store card, and again after I gave her some cash. Twice in 10 seconds.
The bastard government have really really “done a number” on people. It’s literally brain damage. GBH.

297164 ▶▶▶▶▶ annie, replying to Dinger, 1, #880 of 1863 🔗

I’ll bet the assistant was a young person?

297238 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Dinger, replying to annie, 1, #881 of 1863 🔗

Lady in her 30’s.
Two-six – at the checkout in the local In-Excess we get shouted at to “move behind the yellow line” – echoes of PoW camps!

297401 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Two-Six, replying to Dinger, #882 of 1863 🔗

They love the power. An Army of idiots has been given WAY WAY TOO much power.

297399 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Two-Six, replying to annie, #883 of 1863 🔗

No she was in her 60’s from what I could see of her scaredy little face.

296962 ▶▶ Banjones, replying to Harry hopkins, 7, #884 of 1863 🔗

You forgot the biggie – SAFETY

296970 ▶▶▶ Harry hopkins, replying to Banjones, 2, #885 of 1863 🔗

The list goes on Banjones. Sorry I couldn’t get ’em all 🙂

297059 ▶▶▶▶ Lisa (formerly) from Toronto, replying to Harry hopkins, 3, #886 of 1863 🔗

You did use shitstorm — a 4-letter word paired with a 5-letter word! I think your mom will forgive you given the circumstances. I’m all for 4-letter words myself as this situation warrants them.

296963 ▶▶ Jane G, replying to Harry hopkins, 2, #887 of 1863 🔗

Protect! Grrrrr….

296967 ▶▶ Janette, replying to Harry hopkins, 2, #888 of 1863 🔗

Love it, I totally agree.

296991 ▶▶ mattghg, replying to Harry hopkins, 1, #889 of 1863 🔗

One from the early day of this nightmare was ‘government instructions’.

296996 ▶▶ EssieSW, replying to Harry hopkins, 4, #890 of 1863 🔗

‘Unprecedented’. That one makes me shudder.
Or ‘strange and unusual times’ Ergh.

297010 ▶▶▶ DRW, replying to EssieSW, 4, #891 of 1863 🔗

Don’t forget the other scary buzzwords: soaring, surging, spiking, uptick, jump, knife edge, tipping point, running riot, explosion, exponential, doubling every x days, grim milestone, and of course packages of measures.

297021 ▶▶▶▶ A. Contrarian, replying to DRW, 2, #892 of 1863 🔗

Yes! Packages of measures must be the worst!

297030 ▶▶▶▶▶ DRW, replying to A. Contrarian, 3, #893 of 1863 🔗

Closely rivalled by “Let it rip”

297009 ▶▶ Sarigan, replying to Harry hopkins, 2, #894 of 1863 🔗

Surely ‘bubble’ should be in there?

297016 ▶▶ A. Contrarian, replying to Harry hopkins, 8, #895 of 1863 🔗

Can I add:

deadly virus
killer virus
not allowed
the rules
STOP (on shop doors)
STAND HERE (on shop floors)
covid safe
Long Covid
you must
it is a fact
all in this together
put the brakes on
tiers, tiers, tiers
tougher (restrictions)
NHS heroes

God I could go on forever…

297050 ▶▶▶ DRW, replying to A. Contrarian, 2, #896 of 1863 🔗

super simple, crystal clear. You’re right we could!

297052 ▶▶▶ Harry hopkins, replying to A. Contrarian, 1, #897 of 1863 🔗

You can add as many as you like Contrarian—-there’s some corkers in there!

297103 ▶▶▶ A. Contrarian, replying to A. Contrarian, 2, #898 of 1863 🔗

And just seen this somewhere else, which reminded me:


In fact, # pretty much anything is enraging, to be honest.

Oh and also:

Do whatever it takes (this presumably includes nuking the whole planet, if that is what is required)

297127 ▶▶▶▶ Harry hopkins, replying to A. Contrarian, 1, #899 of 1863 🔗

I think we can safely say that the threat of Nuclear war is now back in the box. After all, why would the globalists want to destroy the planet when they can just create an enemy that you can’t see, feel, hear or in any way detect but has the desired result of making the world’s population become enslaved?

Covid has made Nuclear war redundant and it is the wet dream of Eugenicists and de populators everywhere—-and I’m not and never have been a believer in conspiracy theories!

297019 ▶▶ John Stitch non stop dancer, replying to Harry hopkins, 1, #900 of 1863 🔗

My most annoying phrase Bubble.

297077 ▶▶ Ben, replying to Harry hopkins, 6, #901 of 1863 🔗

You missed out the worst one of all – ‘Stay Safe’ – which I liken to Heil Hitler.

297478 ▶▶▶ cubby, replying to Ben, 1, #902 of 1863 🔗

Would be amusing to return the greeting with a small salute like Hitler did – you know the raised forearm?

297121 ▶▶ Edward, replying to Harry hopkins, 4, #903 of 1863 🔗

“Your face covering should fully cover your mouth and nose”.
That one really gives me the creeps – wait a minute, I need to breathe!

297143 ▶▶ Tarfu, replying to Harry hopkins, 3, #904 of 1863 🔗

Vulnerable (that from a perfectly fit 74-yr old sick of being categorised as such)

297452 ▶▶ Marialta, replying to Harry hopkins, 1, #905 of 1863 🔗

Sadlidied is one you forgot

296944 JanMasarykMunich, replying to JanMasarykMunich, #906 of 1863 🔗

UK’s AstraZeneca to team up with creators of Russia’s Sputnik V on Covid-19 vaccine trials, cites potential ‘wider protection’


296960 ▶▶ godowneasy, replying to JanMasarykMunich, 2, #907 of 1863 🔗

Я все еще не принимаю гребаную вакцину!

296964 ▶▶▶ John P, replying to godowneasy, #908 of 1863 🔗

Я тоже, but the Russian one is probably both safe and effective.

(It’s okay, I’m joking).

297036 ▶▶▶ Ceriain, replying to godowneasy, 1, #909 of 1863 🔗

That’s easy for you to say. 😉

297008 ▶▶ Ben, replying to JanMasarykMunich, 1, #910 of 1863 🔗

I see Pharma companies as a mafia holding us hostage for cash

297065 ▶▶ JHuntz, replying to JanMasarykMunich, #911 of 1863 🔗

the vaccine avengers!

297162 ▶▶ annie, replying to JanMasarykMunich, #912 of 1863 🔗

Sputnik One did look remarkably like little Covvie. Presumably they are related.

296945 Ceriain, replying to Ceriain, 19, #913 of 1863 🔗

DT live feed: https://www.telegraph.co.uk/global-health/science-and-disease/coronavirus-news-cases-rise-covid-tier-3-london-vaccine/#update-20201211-1330
Representatives of UK nations met to discuss whether relaxation of rules for Christmas should be ‘revisited’

“The question was raised, should we revisit the decision we had made in relation to Christmas?

“The decision was that we shouldn’t do so – many people will have made plans on the basis of what was announced – but that we would reinforce the message, each one of us would reinforce the message, that that extra freedom for those five days must be used responsibly.”


296953 ▶▶ Richard O, replying to Ceriain, 39, #914 of 1863 🔗

The arrogance to use the phrase “ extra freedom ” – as if any amount of freedom was theirs to take away or grant in the first place – beggars belief.

296994 ▶▶▶ awildgoose, replying to Richard O, 18, #915 of 1863 🔗

That’s the entire point-

Our freedom has been stolen and will now be sold back to us in little bits and pieces at exorbitant prices.

297055 ▶▶▶▶ Lisa (formerly) from Toronto, replying to awildgoose, 3, #916 of 1863 🔗

But only if we behave ourselves and are good little girls and boys.

297308 ▶▶▶▶▶ Tom in Scotland, replying to Lisa (formerly) from Toronto, #917 of 1863 🔗

It is so obviously infantilising, yet people still accept it. I just don’t understand why people put up with it, particularly after so many months.

297004 ▶▶▶ Ben, replying to Richard O, 11, #918 of 1863 🔗

And ‘Freedom Passes’ is an oxymoron

Freedom is no Freedom Pass

297079 ▶▶▶▶ Banjones, replying to Ben, 1, #919 of 1863 🔗

The petition is growing suspiciously slowly:

297007 ▶▶ A. Contrarian, replying to Ceriain, 3, #920 of 1863 🔗

Hmm, are they starting to prepare us for the inevitable revocation of those “extra” freedoms…

297089 ▶▶▶ Sam Vimes, replying to A. Contrarian, #921 of 1863 🔗

That’s the usual M.O. Just needs Bunter to say “We don’t want to do that” and you know it’s on.

297099 ▶▶▶▶ A. Contrarian, replying to Sam Vimes, 2, #922 of 1863 🔗

Heavy hearts and all that. Difficult decisions. No alternative.

296946 p02099003, replying to p02099003, 17, #923 of 1863 🔗

What really, really ticks me off about the NHS is that it is only A&E or ITU that are considered to have been working throughout, and they are the real “heroes and heroines” and key workers. The latest Great British Menu programme on BBC is leading up to a banquet for key workers, and they all deify the NHS and those working in it, the food and presents that were justly given to the hardworking staff.
The advert is appalling and is not in my name.

297047 ▶▶ Two-Six, replying to p02099003, 4, #924 of 1863 🔗

It’s proper idiot zone stuff isn’t it?

297100 ▶▶ davews, replying to p02099003, 4, #925 of 1863 🔗

I do amateur radio. During the first lockdown our national society RSGB ran a ‘Get on the Air to Care’ campaign with various amateur radio activities to support the NHS. Now they have ‘Get on the Air for Christmas’ (GOTA4C). Their latest monthly mag has just dropped through the letter box, on the front cover a raffle for a special NHS morse key with a suitably engraved plate on it. Oh, and in the same post, a begging letter from Hilary McGrady of the National Trust with a voucher for a fee cuppa. I despair…

Front gate of our surgery still firmly locked.

297394 ▶▶▶ Two-Six, replying to davews, #926 of 1863 🔗

I used to like reading Radio User magazine. Since the covid bomb dropped I haven’t read it, it’s packed full of NHS worshipping front line first responder deadly pandemic lockdown bullshit. I doubt if I will every read it again.

I think radio users seem to love all this covid bullshittery as it makes them feel they are living in exciting emergency responder times and can save their fellow citizens with their incredible radio abilities.

They are also of that demographic which had been scared the most by the propaganda. Also, I guess they are the types of people who just love sitting in their “Shacks” and never really go out much anyway.

Not you obviously 🙂

296948 mhcp, replying to mhcp, 4, #927 of 1863 🔗

This is just speculation and musing but:

My company professional indemnity insurance updated and there is now a SARS-CoV-2 exception clause. I believe it is that you aren’t indemnified against claims for SARS-Cov-2. It also includes other SARS-type viruses.

There is no mention of if you take any measures to prevent this and frankly it’s odd in a policy.

But it got me thinking that all of the major businesses probably have this policy. So even if you went along and wore masks and all that voodoo, if you tested positive with our good friend PCR, then you could make a claim against that business. Because even if the company went along with “measures” the fact that you could claim to have got it would mean you could claim for damages because of this indemnity policy.

You could apply this to police stations, dentist offices, and any political office including the Houses of Parliament if they had the same thing.

If you only visited these places, as many did in lockdown, then the case would have more weight (using the warped logic of these things)

So as form of protest you could frequent parliament, get tested everyday and the minute you get a positive, claim against it. Obviously it would require the same indemnity to be present.

It looks like the insurance companies have tried to protect themselves which is actually a sign that they don’t believe in this guff. Because if they did they would push for “measures” and then be able to absorb the claims.

296976 ▶▶ Norman, replying to mhcp, 4, #928 of 1863 🔗

Or have they just looked at the government’s 45 pp of legalese and decided

‘Hell, with all these new rules, someone could be sued. They’ve created liability where once there was none’.

I’ve never heard of a business being sued for causing a customer to catch flu. Has anyone? It seems laughable. COVID-19 according to independent scientific papers seems midway between a ‘bad’ flu season’ and a very bad one (1968-69). So it shouldn’t be any more likely that a business can get sued and the claim shouldn’t be any higher.

296995 ▶▶▶ calchas, replying to Norman, 4, #929 of 1863 🔗

“I’ve never heard of a business being sued for causing a customer to catch flu.”

Welcome to bizarro 20202.

297011 ▶▶▶ Sam Vimes, replying to Norman, 2, #930 of 1863 🔗

From Law or Fiction (there’s lots more):

It is essential to appreciate that the health and safety assessment required is not of the risk of transmission of the Covid-19 virus. The assessment required is of the risk of significant danger. Those are fundamentally different issues.
For illustration, risk of transmission of a common cold or flu virus may be high, but the risk of significant danger to the staff is extremely small.


296951 godowneasy, replying to godowneasy, 8, #931 of 1863 🔗

Dysfunctional promotional posters from the W.H.O. Health for all campaign. It’s a pity that the economy-crushing responses of their pandemic response have made a mockery of the whole idea don’t you think? As for the one on the left, how many extra millions have been pushed into poverty over the last 9 months as a result of lockdowns?

296972 ▶▶ Tim Bidie, replying to godowneasy, 8, #932 of 1863 🔗

Now likely to be over 250 million people……with consequent increases in mortality.


296973 ▶▶ leggy, replying to godowneasy, 10, #933 of 1863 🔗

Not millions. Hundreds of millions are suffering from lockdown induced poverty.

297068 ▶▶ Noumenon, replying to godowneasy, 4, #934 of 1863 🔗

Of course the figures are much bigger because poverty isn’t simply economic. I think there is a good case for arguing that a lack of social interaction is a form of impoverishment and we all know a lot of people have been pushed into social annihilation even if they might be just getting by otherwise.

296952 Fingerache Philip., replying to Fingerache Philip., 11, #935 of 1863 🔗

24 Covid marshals patrolling the streets of Birmingham.
Anyone know where they live?, under a stone, perhaps.

296999 ▶▶ Ben, replying to Fingerache Philip., 6, #936 of 1863 🔗

Patrolling for colds and flu

297057 ▶▶▶ anon, replying to Ben, 4, #937 of 1863 🔗

that women had a runny nose! I’m sure of it

297138 ▶▶▶ mjr, replying to Ben, 2, #938 of 1863 🔗

i assume they all wear big heavy boots so they can stamp on the rona virus when they see one. Fuck all use otherwise

296966 Harry hopkins, replying to Harry hopkins, 38, #939 of 1863 🔗

I had a phone call from my ex brother in law this morning. I stayed on good terms with him after he broke up with my sister and we chat every so often. The encouraging thing about this call is that he is full on sceptic, as is his sister and all those he works with. He lives in Blyth, Northumberland and from his comments it would appear that Boris’s red wall is about to come crashing down about his ears.
Blyth was always a poor area and is now getting poorer. Boris will rue the day he sacrificed these decent people to the alter of Covid.

297020 ▶▶ DRW, replying to Harry hopkins, 10, #940 of 1863 🔗

Stories like these give some hope.

297088 ▶▶ Banjones, replying to Harry hopkins, 4, #941 of 1863 🔗

Unless, of course, it’s the plan never to allow us to have another election.

297113 ▶▶▶ Sam Vimes, replying to Banjones, 4, #942 of 1863 🔗

Approaching the last election, when we feared a Labour gov would destroy the country (look at us now!), my drinking buddy reckoned Lab, if elected, would bring in ten year parliaments, as “there was so much to do”. That’s now a real risk.

297280 ▶▶▶ Harry hopkins, replying to Banjones, 3, #943 of 1863 🔗

It’ll never get that far. Unless Boris abandons this destructive Covid scamdemic soon, I’m afraid he might just find the bricks of his ‘red wall’ crashing through Downing Street—-one can live in hope!

297303 ▶▶▶▶ Tom in Scotland, replying to Harry hopkins, 3, #944 of 1863 🔗

I agree. It’s more likely that the Conservative Party will dump Bozo fairly soon and he will be replaced (along with, I hope, most of this dreadful cabinet).

298049 ▶▶ Jo Dominich -, replying to Harry hopkins, #945 of 1863 🔗

Let’s just hope they don’t vote for Comrade Dictator Keir Stalin’s Labour Party then because he and Johnson are exactly the same in their ambitions to power. Just look at what a mess the Dictator is making of the Labour Party at the moment. That should be enough of a warning to anyone voting Labour. He does it to the Party he will double down on it as PM.

296981 Tarfu, replying to Tarfu, 18, #946 of 1863 🔗

Today I took the unusual step of actually reading a paragraph about CV19 in my local paper. It informed me that there had been a total of six new deaths linked to Covid. Not ‘of’ or ‘with’. No other details. Must be a new medical term designed to keep up Project Fear.

297001 ▶▶ A. Contrarian, replying to Tarfu, 7, #947 of 1863 🔗

Probably making a start on the Whitty/Vallance (can barely tell the difference between them tbh) idea that ALL deaths are on the side of covid, not lockdown. So suicides, missed cancer diagnoses etc are all covid deaths. Nothing to do with government policy whatsoever.

297034 ▶▶▶ Ceriain, replying to A. Contrarian, 2, #948 of 1863 🔗

“So suicides, missed cancer diagnoses etc are all covid deaths.”

You are correct, A…

…according to Mr Whitty:

Science and Technology Committee – Tuesday 3 November 2020

Most of the additional deaths stack up because you don’t deal with Covid.

Basically, there are four different ways in which this causes mortality. I will go through them. This is a really critical point that has been wholly misunderstood in some areas. Direct deaths from Covid is easy to understand. I agree with that.

The second group, which hopefully we will not get to, are deaths from emergency services beingoverwhelmed. We did not have that in the first wave and we have every intention of trying to avoid that in the second wave.

The third group is things that would happen: because of Covid putting pressure on the service, you have to cancel elective and other urgent care. Those deaths might be cardiovascular. In the medium term, that might be cancer. Those are on the Covid side of the equation.

Then you have some that were around the lockdown itself, which are things like reduction in air pollution on the good side, and an increase in mental health problems on the bad side.

The final ones, which are very important, are the economic ones: counterintuitively, the immediate effect is not negative but in the long term that is very important. That is the bit that is on the other side of the equation. I have always said that clearly. If you are in public health, caring about increasing deprivation is central to what you do. It is absolutely critical. I have always tried to say that that is the other side of the equation.

The cancer and cardiovascular deaths are on the Covid side . If you don’t deal with Covid, those are going to get worse.

297098 ▶▶▶▶ A. Contrarian, replying to Ceriain, 3, #949 of 1863 🔗

The cancer and cardiovascular deaths are on the Covid side . If you don’t deal with Covid, those are going to get worse.

But lots of hospitals were half empty during the “peak” and could therefore have continued at least with the most pressing concerns I would have thought… And certainly by this point in the proceedings, after a whole summer to prepare, hospital capacity should no longer be an issue. What was the bl**dy point of all those Nightingales apart from making the govt look good?

Not sure I’ve heard him talking about the economic effects that loudly, but never mind…

297246 ▶▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Ceriain, 1, #950 of 1863 🔗

I’d say they’re on the covid policy side of the equation!

297085 ▶▶▶ Fingerache Philip., replying to A. Contrarian, 1, #951 of 1863 🔗

It’s difficult, telling one robot from another robot

297049 ▶▶ Kevin 2, replying to Tarfu, 1, #952 of 1863 🔗

Most suicides have been linked to Covid..

297249 ▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Kevin 2, #953 of 1863 🔗

Covid or mockdown?

296988 RickH, replying to RickH, 3, #954 of 1863 🔗

Just a shout-out for the back-end item of UKColumn today (sorry, haven’t got the time marker) – very good on the vaccine and the key issue (abc stuff in medical statistics) of Relative versus Absolute risk. Massive consequences in terms of risk assessment.

297031 ▶▶ Mayo, replying to RickH, -6, #955 of 1863 🔗

Hmm,. I don’t think their conclusion is valid because we know the that risk of infection is much greater than the numbers in the study suggest.

Two issues:

1/ The study began during a period of low prevalence – so not typical of current infection rate.

2/ These initial figures have been recorded after just a few months,

All we can really say is that the absolute risk during a limited period of low prevalence is small. I suspect Pfizer will have some revised numbers shortly.

297724 ▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Mayo, 1, #956 of 1863 🔗

If they need to revise their numbers, they shouldn’t be inflicting their untested snake oil on the elderly.

297060 ▶▶ Two-Six, replying to RickH, 3, #957 of 1863 🔗

Absolute risk

297061 ▶▶▶ Two-Six, replying to Two-Six, 2, #958 of 1863 🔗

Relative risk

297062 ▶▶▶▶ Two-Six, replying to Two-Six, 1, #959 of 1863 🔗

Means nothing to me obviously. It’s all numbers and that.

297071 ▶▶▶▶▶ Mabel Cow, replying to Two-Six, 23, #960 of 1863 🔗

I’m done with the numbers. It’s pitchfork time.

To hell with the nearly dead: I just don’t care anymore. Your granny died? So what. If it’s not CV19 that gets them it’ll be something else. Anyone who is scared can stay at home.

Fuck this shit now.

297081 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Two-Six, replying to Mabel Cow, 3, #961 of 1863 🔗


297114 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ jb12, replying to Mabel Cow, 12, #962 of 1863 🔗

Welcome. I have been here since March, as heartless as I am. I couldn’t give a shit if someone’s 85 year old granny died or if some fat 45 year old diabetic dies. Come to me when babies or children are dying.

297117 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ wendyk, replying to jb12, 6, #963 of 1863 🔗

Me too; just how I feel

297119 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Sam Vimes, replying to jb12, 10, #964 of 1863 🔗

Three babies and three teenagers died of ‘it’ in the first half of this year. Oh, hang on, turns out actually they all had ‘profound medical problems’ and we lied.

297290 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Two-Six, replying to Sam Vimes, 2, #965 of 1863 🔗

two of the babies were premature I think

297254 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Chicot, replying to jb12, 3, #966 of 1863 🔗

People die. Old people die more than young people. More people die in a pandemic. It’s a sad but normal part of living but we don’t stop living because of it. This idiotic, snowflake generation seems to believe we can somehow cheat death by removing all the things that make life worth living.

297289 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Borisbullshit, replying to jb12, 1, #967 of 1863 🔗

Every death is a death lol….my arse!

297285 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Borisbullshit, replying to Mabel Cow, 2, #968 of 1863 🔗

Agree totally…..destroying everyone else’s life to save the very old could have been done at any point in history. The fact that it wasn’t shows that we used to be more sensible. But our now death fearing,risk averse,paranoid,virtue signalling society means we have done. I suspect this is going to be the way of the future…unless a lot of people are ‘pitchforked’!

298047 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Jo Dominich -, replying to Borisbullshit, #969 of 1863 🔗

Correction, destroying everyone else’s life to save the NHS is what we are talking about. The NHS is happily, and has been doing so for years, killing of the elderly with refusal of admission and treatment, the issue of DNRs and now, injecting them with what is probably a deadly vaccine.

297235 ▶▶▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Two-Six, 2, #970 of 1863 🔗

It’s a brilliant demonstration of how they use genuine statistics to create false “truth.”
Hamcock’s “75% of shopworkers” used the same sort of tricks.

297453 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Sam Vimes, replying to Cheezilla, 1, #971 of 1863 🔗

Yep. Mathematically correct, statistically non-existent. Bastards.

297217 ▶▶▶▶ Zak Thelotofem, replying to Two-Six, 3, #972 of 1863 🔗

This is from Uk Column’s News today and is well worth a look


296997 Mike Collins, 10, #973 of 1863 🔗

I’ve asked my MP for some more action on the Tameside hospital debacle. I raised infection rates at the hospital with him at the General Election, he blocked me from Twitter. Despite a significantly reduced majority the London based Jonny Reynolds was re-elected (thanks Nigel Farage). My letter;

Dear Jonathan Reynolds,
I’ve written to you a number of times during the supposed pandemic. I could not let this article in the Guardian pass without comment.


What are you doing to ensure that Tameside hospital improves its Covid safety precautions?
Tameside GH has a dreadful hospital acquired infection record, what have you done to address this with the hospital management team?
Why have you not demanded the closure of the affected areas, why have you failed to act on behalf of your constituents when you clearly will have this data at hand?
How many people have been infected whilst at the hospital?
How many of those have then gone on to die at the hospital or in their homes?

I raised the matters of hospital acquired infection with you at the GE, only to be blocked from your Twitter stream, I can’t help but think that if you had taken action on my observations back then, infection control could have been improved. Your constituents are losing family members, their jobs and soon their homes because of a ‘fake’ lockdown caused by a poorly performing hospital riddled with infection.

I asked at that time that you spend more time improving services in Tameside and less time on party politics in London. Your failure on these matters will , I’m sure, be recognised by the electorate before we have another GE.

I await your earliest intervention in the above matter, please – Less London – More Tameside.

Yours sincerely,

Michael Collins

297012 Ceriain, replying to Ceriain, 4, #974 of 1863 🔗

Not 100% sure when they started mass testing in the London Boroughs, but I have a suspicion. I wonder if it was the 7th of December.

TestsA is the number of positive tests by specimen date (i.e. the date the tests were carried out).
Tests/1K is the number of positive tests per 1000 tests.

Look at the sudden jump, both in London and Nationally.

Nothing but a testing scam to get the numbers up, IMHO. 🙁

297097 ▶▶ Banjones, replying to Ceriain, 3, #975 of 1863 🔗

They don’t need to go to the trouble of mass testing. Just install some software that flips the figures – and bingo!

(Where are they finding all these people anyway? Testing centres seem to be empty, from what we’re told.)

297015 stefarm, replying to stefarm, 25, #976 of 1863 🔗

I’m currently standing outside Morrisons waiting for my new found sceptic colleague to meet me for a coffee (no pubs open).

Absolutely hilarious watching the covid ritual.

Ha ha haaaaa, fucking idiots. If only they could see themselves

297041 ▶▶ Fingerache Philip., replying to stefarm, 14, #977 of 1863 🔗

The shopping trolley sanitizing ritual always takes about 10 minutes; absolutely brilliant to grab a “dirty” trolley, ignore the hand sanitizer and breeze in, and with a bit of luck, frighten the “sheep” half to death, oh silly me, they are brain dead anyway.

297225 ▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Fingerache Philip., 2, #978 of 1863 🔗

I have Reynaud’s syndrome and at this time of year shop in fingerless gloves so I still have functioning fingers by the time I reach the checkout.

Despite the annoying recorded announcement by the man with a mouthful of marbles, my sane local Aldi doesn’t have a “sanitising station” and so far no-one’s passed out at the terrifying sight of my biohazard hands. 🙂

297437 ▶▶▶ Marialta, replying to Fingerache Philip., 4, #979 of 1863 🔗

I watched an elderly couple yesterday come into the waiting room of the Horder centre (private health service contracted by NHS). The lady asked the receptionist really loudly ‘ Where is the hand sanitizer?’ They were directed back to the door as they had walked straight past it. Everyone watched as they both stood there applying liberally all over their hands and rubbing it in with great gusto – pure performance i. e. ‘ Yes we know the rules.’ It’s about being accepted in society. I see now that a lot of these people are very insecure.

I have been in loads of shops today and always walk straight past the gunk. No one says anything.

297484 ▶▶▶▶ Fingerache Philip., replying to Marialta, 1, #980 of 1863 🔗

Haven’t used it for months.

297067 ▶▶ Two-Six, replying to stefarm, 8, #981 of 1863 🔗

Fucking idiots indeed.

297109 ▶▶ Suzyv, replying to stefarm, 3, #982 of 1863 🔗

Yes I saw the blue latex gloves at the supermarket today. They seem to have made a comeback near me as I haven’t seen for a while.

297035 Nick Rose, replying to Nick Rose, 12, #983 of 1863 🔗

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Just received from Simon Dolan via e-mail:

Dear Supporter,

I am extremely disappointed to let you know that this week the Supreme Court has decided to refuse to hear our appeal relating to a Judicial Review into lockdown.

The Supreme Court’s decision means that unelected Judges have set a precedent which now makes it all but impossible to challenge the Government’s use of the Public Health Act 1984 to trample over Civil Liberties and to emasculate Parliament in the process.

By not allowing the Appeal to go ahead, this puts a protective shield around Ministers and gives them a free run to lock up people in their homes using the Act, without having to worry any more that their actions in using the Act like this are illegal. This is a chilling development which should not be underestimated.

The Government’s ruthless use of the 1984 Act is an effective destruction of democratic process on behalf of the public around the lockdowns we have suffered and any that may happen again in the future. Although lately there has been some pushback from MPs, the decision of the Supreme Court and Court of Appeal gives the Government more power than it should rightfully have.

It threatens even to rip up the rights protected by the Magna Carta – the basic premise of you being free unless it is specifically unlawful has now effectively been changed, meaning that you now have to have the Govt’s permission to do literally anything. This goes against 800+ years of legal principle.

By criticising us for having a ‘Rolling Judicial Review’ case, it means that when a Govt in future uses these emergency powers, provided that they change the regulations every time they are challenged, they can keep avoiding the very mechanism – Judicial Review – that is there to provide a vital check and balance under the UK’s unwritten constitution. It is ironic that in July of this year, the Government launched a wide ranging review into the scope of judicial Review chaired by Lord Faulks QC which has yet to publish its recommendations.

Equally disturbing is how the lockdown Judicial Review cases have found a lack of willingness from the Courts to challenge Government; Judges have said all along “It isn’t the place of the Court to get involved in politics”. They didn’t make that claim when the Brexit case was going.

From the first directions order made in the Judicial Review claim, it was clear that our unelected judges were entirely dismissive of the notion that we should be able to protect rights in the midst of a Pandemic, or that the Government’s actions could in any way be disproportionate or illegal in terms of the real situation being faced.

No one is disputing the impact on public health as a result of the novel Coronavirus, but far more so the Government’s handling of it, however, I do not feel the judges engaged at all with the key points or the 1,200 pages of evidence that was submitted as part of the case. The judgments and judicial comments made throughout are strongly suggestive of an unwillingness to look at the evidence and to depart from a high level “media” view of the pandemic. This suggests the Courts have not taken the opportunity to scrutinise key statistics and facts around the case, effectively waving away vital points around misleading data being used to justify lockdowns and impose further restrictions.

While scrutinising this type of data was seen as almost being unholy in March, April and May of 2020, this case, the Dodgy Dossier and the recently and very quietly amended ONS stats used to impose Lockdown 2 on the nation, has shown that, as a seemingly democratic society, it is vital that we do scrutinise what we are being told and that we continue to do so. The Government has used data to terrify the nation into compliance over a virus from which, in the words of the Government’s own medical officers, the vast majority people recover from and many do not even show symptoms of having.

297039 ▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to Nick Rose, 20, #984 of 1863 🔗

2 of 2

While the Supreme Court decision is a bitter blow, this fight on this particular action has not been in vain! We have scored many victories and helped give a platform to tens of thousands of people who felt their voices were unheard. We forced SAGE to produce its minutes, got the Government to concede it had not lawfully shut schools, and lit the fire on scrutinising data and information.

What started for me as a personal crusade against this Government and their shocking ineptitude quickly turned into a campaign for everyone. Many of those supporters have shared the devastating personal effect lockdown had and will continue to have on their lives. I want to say a heartfelt thank you to each and every one of you for stepping up and joining the fight. Your support has been hugely appreciated.

We started Keep Britain Free to protect the basic freedoms of everyone living in the UK and it has become one of the fastest growing pressure groups in the UK, with thousands of you joining together to fight creeping totalitarianism. Our legal challenge has become one of the largest crowdfunded cases in UK legal history. We have raised over £416,000 from 14,000 pledges – people from all different walks of life from every corner of the UK. This shows the strength of feeling out there for this ongoing battle.

Whilst the Supreme Court decision is far from the outcome we were fighting for, our campaign has been vital in giving individuals up and down the country hope during an unprecedented time and in challenging a Government that was simply ruling by decree without any scrutiny. We also believe our findings and evidence, while not considered properly by the judges, will be of use in the inevitable public inquires which will follow and will help history judge the PM, Matt Hancock and their advisers in the light that they deserve.

Our fight continues and as ever, I will keep you posted on developments!

Kind regards,

297054 ▶▶▶ Gladiatrix, replying to Nick Rose, 16, #985 of 1863 🔗

He needs to apply to the President of the Supreme Court for a review, and if there are grounds for alleging a failure by the judges to look properly at evidence then a formal complaint of misconduct on the bench should be sent to the Judicial Complaints Office.

297214 ▶▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Gladiatrix, #986 of 1863 🔗

Hopefully his lawyers will advise just that.
Meanwhile, we bung some more dosh into his fighting fund.

297209 ▶▶ RickH, replying to Nick Rose, 5, #987 of 1863 🔗

It is extremely disappointing. I wonder if the current Supreme Court is running scared of exercising its role after the attacks on them following their insightful ruling re.the proroguing of parliament.

Or is the fault in the drafting of the Public Health legislation that leaves it too open to what are logically ‘unreasonable’ decisions?

I don’t know – except that that test of reasonableness and proportionality are central to decisions in such matters. The Portuguese court decision is a key example of the proper role of the judiciary – an example that we are lagging well behind.

Basically,as I see it, the Supreme Court is waving any role that involves curbing barmy political behaviour that contradicts normal democratic libery.

298043 ▶▶▶ Jo Dominich -, replying to RickH, #988 of 1863 🔗

For what it’s worth, I think they need to radically revise their case. They have one, a good one, but perhaps perhaps using the ‘wrong’ if that can be used premise or legal premise. Back to the drawing board and using this current experience start again if necessary.

297048 Harry hopkins, replying to Harry hopkins, 31, #989 of 1863 🔗

We had a Xmas card from long lost fiends this morning and it was signed off with Stay safe.
God, I hate that phrase. It’s bad enough when people say it to you but now it’s in the cards I feel like binning everyone that has it in writing. This was one of those chatty cards, with two pages of letter enclosed and when it got to the part where they told us about their son who was taking part in the ‘vaccine trials’ and wasn’t it wonderful that science was coming to the rescue of this terrible disease, I let out a groan that was audible enough for my neighbours to hear. I refused to read any more of the letter and said to Mrs Hopkins who was equally as aghast as I was that there goes another previous decent and pleasant couple to the Devil’s clutches.
We’ll be getting more cards over the coming days and I’m beginning to dread reading them. If I read more Covid chat with the wish to stay safe (and I’m normally a calm and laid back person) I think I might just scream!

297053 ▶▶ thinkaboutit, replying to Harry hopkins, 15, #990 of 1863 🔗

‘Long lost fiends’. Freudian slip? 🙂

I agree. Stay safe does damage to my teeth.

297069 ▶▶▶ Edward, replying to thinkaboutit, 3, #991 of 1863 🔗

Better the devil you know…

297106 ▶▶▶ Banjones, replying to thinkaboutit, 4, #992 of 1863 🔗

As does ”social distancing rules apply”. These Newspeak phrases are becoming embedded in our language.

297147 ▶▶ annie, replying to Harry hopkins, 6, #993 of 1863 🔗

I loathe, loathe, loathe that phrase too.
I’vd found that it’s worth challenging it if you can. Some people use it because they think you are the scared rabbit,

297210 ▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Harry hopkins, 1, #994 of 1863 🔗

You’ll be wishing you’d been one of those irritating people whose cards land on your mat on December 1st.
You could have got your version of events in first – might have opened an eye or two.
(I refuse to live without hope!)

297317 ▶▶ Lisa (formerly) from Toronto, replying to Harry hopkins, 4, #995 of 1863 🔗

I, too, despise it. I sign off with stay sane (not a typo) . That gives people some idea where I stand on all of this.

297404 ▶▶▶ Harry hopkins, replying to Lisa (formerly) from Toronto, 2, #996 of 1863 🔗

Stay sane….. is a great response—-crystal clear where you stand Lisa 🙂

297565 ▶▶ Cheshirecatslave, replying to Harry hopkins, 2, #997 of 1863 🔗

I got card today with an enclosed photo of “our socially distanced birthday gathering”. Fine if they want to distance (they are vulnerable) but why make a show of it? My worst card by far was a photo of a masked cat!

297072 Smelly Melly, 4, #998 of 1863 🔗

A couple of months ago the big CV was the 19th biggest killer in the UK. Any ideas what it is now? (I do realise there has been a lot of data massarging going on).

297074 Josephine K, replying to Josephine K, 12, #999 of 1863 🔗

Just seen Simon Dolan’ s latest comment. So sad for him and all of us . RIP MAGNA CARTA .RIP ALL OUR RIGHTS.

297087 ▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to Josephine K, 22, #1000 of 1863 🔗

I beg to disagree. RIP British Establishment. The lot have let us down, the lot is unfit for purpose, time to clear out the Augean Stables from the monarchy down and start over. Perhaps the time has come for a very uncivil Plan B.

297090 ▶▶ Stephanos, replying to Josephine K, 8, #1001 of 1863 🔗

I suggest that we forward that email to our respective MPs. My MP, Mr. Greg Smith says that he doesn’t want to restrict people’s freedom and has ALWAYS voted with the government.
I suggest also copying this to local vicars as well. Church leaders have been worse than useless in this crisis.

297108 ▶▶ Thomas_E, replying to Josephine K, 11, #1002 of 1863 🔗

Said this from day one, the system has always been rigged..We do not live in a Democracy. This whole voting business is to give us the plebs an illusion of choice or that we have any say in how the country is run. What a joke!

297093 Noumenon, 4, #1003 of 1863 🔗

There’s an expression for the behaviour of people like Hancock.


297094 kh1485, replying to kh1485, 36, #1004 of 1863 🔗

I’ve just been asked by a customer if I am “OK now ” as though my getting slightly tetchy at the prospect of 17 years’ of hard graft being destroyed is a bit of an overreaction. I replied that I will be OK when all this is all over and she just laughed, as though the carnage is just a bit of an inconvenience and I should just get used to it. When are these people going to bloody well wake up? They think the pain is just for the likes of me, but it will affect her, her children, her grandchildren and her great grandchildren.

297102 ▶▶ Thomas_E, replying to kh1485, 15, #1005 of 1863 🔗

Never..they will never wake up. That time has passed and gone. Sorry for the depressing message but that I how I have been feeling lately. There is no desire for waking up with about 97% of British people. I could not even wake up my family, they are pretty much on board with EVERYTHING the MSm and Boris tells them.

297159 ▶▶▶ Harry hopkins, replying to Thomas_E, 16, #1006 of 1863 🔗

Sorry to sound optimistic Thomas, but my experience in the north of England is that more and more people are turning sceptic. Johnson, his government and his advisers are running scared and becoming ever more desperate. The failed roll out of the vaccine will harm them greatly.

297287 ▶▶▶▶ Tom in Scotland, replying to Harry hopkins, 2, #1007 of 1863 🔗

A potential ‘no deal’ with the EU is not likely to help the government, either.

298041 ▶▶▶▶▶ Jo Dominich -, replying to Tom in Scotland, #1008 of 1863 🔗

Tom, Johnson has never wanted a Deal. He’s just strung the whole process out. I admire the EU negotiators hanging on in there. No Deal will be announced on Sunday and it will tank the economy even more drastically than the lockdowns. We are walking away from the largest Trading Bloc in the world. Andrew Bailey said it would have a far deeper negative effect on the economy than the Lockdowns. So it’s a double whammy of incompetence, obsession with power, Totalitarianism and control and economic disaster. Something will give sooner rather than later. I have a strong feeling this CV-19 bullshit is being dragged out as a smoke screen to to a No Deal to be announced on Sunday. Let’s see what happens after it is announced. I strongly suspect CV-19 might just ebb away.

297107 ▶▶ Julian, replying to kh1485, 13, #1009 of 1863 🔗

I’ve asked my work colleagues to stop asking me how I am because they don’t want to hear the answer I give

297781 ▶▶▶ CGL, replying to Julian, #1010 of 1863 🔗

I said this last week to my boss – if someone asks me how I am, they had better be ready for the truth. If they don’t want to know, best they don’t ask. I don’t do superficial.

297151 ▶▶ annie, replying to kh1485, 6, #1011 of 1863 🔗

Unfortunately there is no cure for stupid.

297203 ▶▶ Ewan Duffy, replying to kh1485, 3, #1012 of 1863 🔗

Those who have never run a business as owners don’t understand that a pile of shit goes on the background to create and maintain that business and a pile of money is needed to keep that business going.

Whilst I have never been self employed, I am an accountant and as such, have a better understanding of the fact that if you remove the income above the line but not the costs below the line, your business is screwed.

297311 ▶▶▶ kh1485, replying to Ewan Duffy, 3, #1013 of 1863 🔗

Exactly. They really have bought into this stupid notion that you can press ‘pause’ on a business and then when you come back, you just start from where you left off. These people aren’t even kicking back for the sake of their grandkids. Perhaps when the government starts raiding their pensions and savings they may wake up.

297444 ▶▶ cubby, replying to kh1485, 1, #1014 of 1863 🔗

I used to think that it would be fair and wise of the government to reduce all public employees salaries to 80% of normal while the furlough, lockdowns etc are in force. After all, “we’re all in this together” and this would give civil servants, NHS staff, teachers and the like an idea of what the people who are paying their wages are suffering. Then I find out they’ve been getting bonuses. There’s no chance of these people wakening up, I’m afraid.

297096 Edward, replying to Edward, 11, #1015 of 1863 🔗

Every year after Christmas the media are full of drivel about “Dry January”, diets, gyms etc. The notion is that during December everyone has been stuffing themselves silly with food and drink, but somehow the adverse effects can be cancelled out by doing the opposite for a month. Call me boring if you like, but while I enjoy a good meal and a drink or two, I don’t do it to the extent that I need a month to recover.

This time it will be different. The story will be that every day of socialising has to be “paid for” by two, five or ten days of lockdown, as some idiot has already suggested. The media will be full of stories about old people who died with covid and it’ll be blamed on Christmas socialising. Granny died because you visited her for an hour to give her a box of chocolates and forgot to open the window. She didn’t even get to finish the chocolates. Never mind, you can eat them yourself though only the unpopular nut cracknels are left. At least Granny enjoyed the strawberry creme. (One of my siblings, or maybe it was me, when they had a box of chocolates they might offer it to someone saying “You can take one, but not this one, that one or that one!)

298033 ▶▶ Jo Dominich -, replying to Edward, #1016 of 1863 🔗

More like Granny died because you left her all day next to an open window and she caught pneumonia and was hospitalised during which admission she caught covid!

297112 wendyk, replying to wendyk, 20, #1017 of 1863 🔗

Having felt very low for the past couple of days, I’ve just read Simon Dolan’s latest post on the Supreme Court’s rejection of the JR.

Even more dejected now, for we truly are stuck in the Hotel Covid-California.

What hope is there now for accountability and representative democracy? How could a virus bring us to this sorry pass?

297115 ▶▶ kh1485, replying to wendyk, 6, #1018 of 1863 🔗

Feel exactly the same wendyk. I mentioned a few months ago that it feels like there is nowhere to turn.

297122 ▶▶▶ wendyk, replying to kh1485, 10, #1019 of 1863 🔗

All potential escape routes are being closed. Trapped is how I feel, kh, and the DIY addict next door is driving me mad with his power tools,as lockdowns constrain normal activities-(I’m having trouble recalling the nature of normal activities)!

297137 ▶▶▶▶ kh1485, replying to wendyk, 3, #1020 of 1863 🔗

My sympathies wendy. I have a similar one next door but one. Fancies himself as Evel bloody Knieval. Every time I go out into the garden, he revs up his wretched motorbike.

297169 ▶▶▶▶▶ Sam Vimes, replying to kh1485, 2, #1021 of 1863 🔗

May it please m’lady, but perhaps thy neighbour seeks to impress you with his mighty steed and perchance gain your favour?

297197 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ kh1485, replying to Sam Vimes, 3, #1022 of 1863 🔗

You’re mad! And anyway, he’s married!

297207 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Sam Vimes, replying to kh1485, 1, #1023 of 1863 🔗

Doesn’t stop him spotting a good looker. There’s something very cute about that Times New Roman font you use…

297282 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ kh1485, replying to Sam Vimes, #1024 of 1863 🔗

You are awful … 😉

297125 ▶▶▶ Sam Vimes, replying to kh1485, 7, #1025 of 1863 🔗

KH/Wendyk. Here’s a daft analogy. CAMRA was started by just four guys. They managed to stem the tide of crap keg beer, turn around big brewer’s thinking, and now have over 180,000 members. Ok, those members don’t have anywhere to go right now, but you get the idea. There is hope (I hope).

297140 ▶▶▶▶ kh1485, replying to Sam Vimes, 6, #1026 of 1863 🔗

I hope there is hope! Feel like I am howling in the wind atm. Never has my feeling like Randle McMurphy felt so apt. I am ‘screaming’ and no-one, other than you guys, is listening!

297150 ▶▶▶▶▶ wendyk, replying to kh1485, 1, #1027 of 1863 🔗

I feel I’m blowin in the wind now..

297175 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Sam Vimes, replying to wendyk, 2, #1028 of 1863 🔗

I have a similar thing with wind…

297187 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ wendyk, replying to Sam Vimes, 1, #1029 of 1863 🔗

O dear! Of the musical kind?

297194 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Sam Vimes, replying to wendyk, 1, #1030 of 1863 🔗

I get a sort of rising note sometimes. But for some reason, Lady Sybil won’t stand near and listen.

297202 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ wendyk, replying to Sam Vimes, #1031 of 1863 🔗

She has my sympathies. Light a match and run for cover?

297211 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Sam Vimes, replying to wendyk, #1032 of 1863 🔗

She uses a baby dragon, actually, but that’s a whole other fictional Watch Commander story.

297183 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to wendyk, 6, #1033 of 1863 🔗

There’s a lot of people who feel like that. Whatever you do don’t give up now.

There are loads of freedom rallies all over the country this weekend. Have a look at the Telegram group Protest Everywhere for details and locations, most of which were posted on December 8th.
Click the view in channel button. There’s also a link to download Telegram : https://t.me/ProtestEverywhere/949

And if you do nothing else, write to your MP (again!) about Monday’s vote.
I can’t believe that such a motion has been put before our so-called democratic Parliament!

297193 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ wendyk, replying to Cheezilla, 2, #1034 of 1863 🔗

I’ve sent her 2 emails recently, with links and await replies, so I’ll send another one about Monday’s vote.

297291 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Cheezilla, #1035 of 1863 🔗

See this also:
This Saturday 12th December
SOUTH UNITE – Brighton Rally. Peace Statue, Hove Lawns 12pm
http://www.facebook.com/events/130490.. .
Please dress Christmassy if you can!

This Saturday 12th December
NORTH UNITE – Manchester Rally. Piccadilly Gardens 1pm
http://www.facebook.com/events/680655.. .

297173 ▶▶▶▶▶ Sam Vimes, replying to kh1485, 2, #1036 of 1863 🔗

We wanna watch the ball game…

297149 ▶▶▶▶ wendyk, replying to Sam Vimes, 2, #1037 of 1863 🔗

I do hope so!

297157 ▶▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Sam Vimes, 5, #1038 of 1863 🔗

CAMRA was always about freedom of choice.
I was a founder member of the Bradford branch, then of the Kirklees branch. I was on the committee for several years till I had my kids.

297154 ▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to wendyk, 2, #1039 of 1863 🔗

A virus didn’t!

297158 ▶▶ annie, replying to wendyk, 7, #1040 of 1863 🔗

Because most Brits are spineless, brainless zombies.
We are not.
Stand tall with us.

297179 ▶▶▶ wendyk, replying to annie, 2, #1041 of 1863 🔗

Doing my best Annie, but here it’s very much a lonesome stance.

Masks are worn out in the open now; I’m repeating myself, so forgive the stuck record, but what is the point?

297324 ▶▶▶▶ Alethea, replying to wendyk, 4, #1042 of 1863 🔗

I know. I KNOW. It’s idiotic. Hang in there. One day this will be over.

Personally, I’m considering treating myself to a sustained bout of epic misanthropy when that time comes. I may refuse every invitation I receive from the people who currently treat me as a vector of disease. When people become willing to hug me again, I may recoil. At shops and cafes, I may hang about beyond the doorway, miming reluctance to enter the precincts that now treat me as a plague risk. Indeed I may take to wearing a full hazmat suit in order to access any building other than my own house, ceremonially shedding it and incinerating it upon exit. There will be little heaps of toxic ashes outside everywhere I have been.

297349 ▶▶▶▶▶ wendyk, replying to Alethea, 1, #1043 of 1863 🔗

Combustion combustion,
Alethea’s spot on!

Misanthropy, misanthropy,
It’s all they can expect of me.

Distancing, distancing,
Doing my head in.

297359 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Alethea, replying to wendyk, 1, #1044 of 1863 🔗

They may be in a majority, but we are infinitely wittier. It’s like what they say about Hell: the best company is there.

297365 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ wendyk, replying to Alethea, 1, #1045 of 1863 🔗

Yes, we’re relishing our black humour as the zealots cast us into outer darkness.

Actually, over the years, being a devotee of black humour,I’ve realised that many earnest activist types are utterly devoid of humour.

I’ve noticed this many times, not least when I was reprimanded by a fellow student for producing a Saddam Hussein wine label as part of a fine art diploma course.

She told me it wasn’t nice, which was the whole point.

297228 ▶▶ Darryl, replying to wendyk, 4, #1046 of 1863 🔗

It was never really an accountable representative democracy, we just got tricked that it was. Looks increasingly like we are ruled over by a well connected powerful wealthy elite. Establishment has completely closed ranks to protect itself.

297393 ▶▶ Ben, replying to wendyk, 2, #1047 of 1863 🔗

It’s not about a virus unfortunately, but is likely part of an economic collapse. Interview with Ernst Wolff, German with English subtitles from March


298028 ▶▶ Jo Dominich -, replying to wendyk, #1048 of 1863 🔗

Sorry to say this Wendy, although I didn’t have any part in voting this Government in thank God, the British Sheeples have got the Government they voted for. All of this was plain to see in the Conservative Party GE campaign. Johnson made it clear he would limit Parliament’s role in holding the Executive to account, he made it clear he would limit the role of the Judiciary, he would limit the role of the House of Lords. He made it clear through his contempt of process and refusal to attend any televised interviews unless they were favourable to him showing he felt he was totally unaccountable to Parliament or the Nation. It was all there in plain sight. All of it. Yet the people voted for him and gave him a large majority. Me? I voted for Labour and for Corbyn. Whatever people think of Corbyn on this site and others, we would not be in any such kind of a mess as we are now. He would have taken advice from a variety of experts not just SAGE, he would have given serious consideration to any lockdowns and restrictions, he most certainly would not have spent billions of pounds on giving contracts to his friends and Party Donors. We would have had a serious minded, intelligent PM not the buffoon champagne charlie we have now and his power cabal who are now addicted to power. They are all pathological liars. I doubt very much Corbyn would have agreed to any sort of draconian censorship we have now. In fact, if Corbyn were PM and presiding over this mess the MSM would be all over it and him like a rash. Instead, the people voted for this Government. So in a way, they got what they deserved and, I will say this, unless Lawrence Fox’s Reclaim Party gets off the ground fast the Tory’s will win again with the forthcoming Boundary Changes they are going to implement which will take out 35 Labour Seats and I think it’s between 8-11 Lib Dem seats.

The MSM has a large amount of blame to shoulder here. My view is that the Security Services knew this was coming and yes, it was planned, and the vicious and vitriolic campaign against Corbyn was because they could not allow him to be PM because he would not toe the establishment line. If you look back at the Tory GE campaign and Johnson’s conduct in it, hiding from scrutiny and questions and interviews, in fact, he ran the worst GE campaign in UK Parliamentary history, this was a man who knew he would win whatever happened. We had a rigged election for sure. He knew the outcome was guaranteed so he didn’t have to put any effort in. Shame there are no challenging, investigative journalists in the MSM,

297116 alw, replying to alw, 17, #1049 of 1863 🔗

Talking to a neighbour and her grandchildren’s primary school has been closed down completely because a few children have tested positive for the virus. On further enquiry understand this was because of using a PCR so highly likely that these are all false positives. I live in London and there is no one around here who has the virus or friends and family who knows anyone else with the virus, our two large teaching hospitals are no busier than usual and they want to put us in tier 3 to make everyone in the UK feel they are on the same level playing field, Final straw has been refusal the judiciary to take a proper look at Simon Dolan‘s request for Judicial Review. Quite happy to state that as far as possible I have not complied with regulations but in doing so have not put myself or anyone else who could be vulnerable and at risk. From now on the government can go forth and multiply. Enough is enough.

297152 ▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to alw, 4, #1050 of 1863 🔗

Multiply? We have an excess of goverment already, thank you.

297153 ▶▶ annie, replying to alw, 8, #1051 of 1863 🔗

They can go forth and f..k themselves.
Be free.

298017 ▶▶ Jo Dominich -, replying to alw, #1052 of 1863 🔗

I think perhaps that the legal basis of the JR challenges might be wrong. I think the legal aspects are more like those Lord Sumption is saying. The use of emergency powers that rely on Statutory Instruments to by pass Parliamentary Scrutiny, the fact that the Government has never declared a State of Emergency so are acting ultra virus of their powers and are using emergency legislation to permanently change the fabric of the relationship between Government and Citizens and so on and so forth. Parliament has been sidelined and has been unable to hold the Government to account for all or any of the measures currently being used. Also, there is definitely evidence that would underpin such a JR including the wreckless conduct of Witless, Unbalanced, Pantsdown and SAGE who have falsified figures, misled the Government, lied and outright fabricated figures to force Lockdown 2. There is a winnable case for sure, I bet there are some very talented Barristers out there who could write these cases.

297123 peyrole, 6, #1053 of 1863 🔗

The attached is a very comprehensive review of the situation in the US.
One of its conclusions is that if the Great Barrington policy had been followed from the start, deaths may have been below 15,000 ( compared to 250K+) and by now herd immunity would most probably have been reached.

297124 alw, replying to alw, 4, #1054 of 1863 🔗

From Spectator; “Eton has closed after the headmaster told parents there was a ‘real danger’ of cases at the school spiralling out of control”

Was in touch with a member of teaching staff at a large leading public school. They have completely avoided any Covid cases. If they can do it why can’t Eton? In any event Universities closed earlier this week or today as have many public and private schools.

297141 ▶▶ Banjones, replying to alw, 6, #1055 of 1863 🔗

Perhaps they were wise enough to eschew testing.
These poor young ‘uns – nothing wrong with them at all, fit as fleas, not getting/spreading the virus, yet being banged up again for no reason.
These tests should be against the law for children under 16.

297145 ▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Banjones, 5, #1056 of 1863 🔗

They should be against the law for 99.8% of the population!

297168 ▶▶ Julian, replying to alw, 4, #1057 of 1863 🔗

Universities have in large part been effectively closed since March. They never re-opened in any meaningful sense, beyond a token amount of on-campus activity and access.

297129 PhilipF, replying to PhilipF, 14, #1058 of 1863 🔗

The propaganda at the moment is that around 500 people per day are dying of the Covid. But at the same time total deaths are in line with recent averages (c 1,600?). This means that the Covid has caused deaths from heart disease, cancer, etc to fall by 500 per day. What kind of pandemic does that? Surely*, this simple fact alone blows out of the water any idea of a pandemic? It can only be because normal deaths are being tagged with the Covid as a result of false positive testing or because the Covid has very little to do with the deaths.

* I will call you Shirley.

297135 ▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to PhilipF, 4, #1059 of 1863 🔗

Got it in one. And most of the rest are dying from flu.

297144 ▶▶ leggy, replying to PhilipF, 9, #1060 of 1863 🔗

What kind of pandemic does that?

A fabricated one.

297146 ▶▶ RickH, replying to PhilipF, 7, #1061 of 1863 🔗

Precisely. I look at the weekly deaths – which are clearly at the median level for the time of year (quarter of a century baseline).

There is now nothing unusual going on – except some very suspicious attributions in the data, as you’ve pointed out.

The April spike was anomalous – but since it died away, mortality has been tracking at low to median levels = NO EPIDEMIC; NO SWEAT.

Similarly cumulative mortality over 2020 – nothing remarkable (‘unprecedented’) in the quarter-century context.

297230 ▶▶▶ Richard Pinch, replying to RickH, #1062 of 1863 🔗

Precisely. I look at the weekly deaths – which are clearly at the median level for the time of year (quarter of a century baseline).

Or 20% above the average for the past five years. Deaths have been on a downward trend for the past 25 years, until this year, when they have gone up again. Do you have an explanation, or is it just a statistical fluctuation?

The April spike was anomalous

It was indeed. Some people have described it as an epidemic. Do you have an explanation, or was that just a statistical fluctuation too?

297423 ▶▶▶▶ Tim Bidie, replying to Richard Pinch, #1063 of 1863 🔗

‘….the government in mid-March adopted a policy, executed by NHS England and NHS Improvement, that led to 25,000 patients, including those infected or possibly infected with COVID-19 who had not been tested, being discharged from hospital into care homes between 17 March and 15 April—exponentially increasing the risk of transmission to the very population most at risk of severe illness and death from the disease. With no access to testing, severe shortages of PPE, insufficient staff, and limited guidance, care homes were overwhelmed. Although care home deaths were not even being counted in daily official figures of COVID-19 deaths until 29 April, some 4,300 care home deaths were reported in a single fortnight during this period.’


That’ll do it……oh, and then they cleared NHS hospitals again on 18 Sept…..

297463 ▶▶▶▶▶ Richard Pinch, replying to Tim Bidie, #1064 of 1863 🔗

So something did happen in April. Glad we’ve got that sorted out.

297468 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Tim Bidie, replying to Richard Pinch, #1065 of 1863 🔗

Something happened in March. The rest is history……oh..except it happened again in September……

‘This document sets out the Hospital Discharge Service Requirements for all NHS trusts, community interest companies and private care providers of acute, community beds and community health services and social care staff in England, who must adhere to this from Thursday 19th March 2020.’

‘…acute and community hospitals must discharge all patients as soon as they are clinically safe to do so. Transfer from the ward should happen within one hour of that decision being made to a designated discharge area. Discharge from hospital should happen as soon after that as possible, normally within 2 hours.’


297485 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Richard Pinch, replying to Tim Bidie, #1066 of 1863 🔗

Well, since RickH is convinced that nothing at all is happening, and Tim Bidie is convinced that something happened and furthermore that he knows exactly what it is, I’ll let them argue it out.

297501 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Tim Bidie, replying to Richard Pinch, #1067 of 1863 🔗

No need. Just read the references…..for a change…..

297244 ▶▶ Richard Pinch, replying to PhilipF, #1068 of 1863 🔗

But at the same time total deaths are in line with recent averages (c 1,600?).

No, they are not. ONS figures for deaths in the week 21-27 November in England and Wales are 12,456, greater than the recent average by 2,099 (20.3%).

297425 ▶▶▶ cubby, replying to Richard Pinch, #1069 of 1863 🔗

And your point is what? Since each week is variable, it’s not surprising if one week is an outlier. Why don’t you compare the 2 previous weeks with the same weeks last year for us?

297477 ▶▶▶▶ Richard Pinch, replying to cubby, 1, #1070 of 1863 🔗

Certainly. The graph (courtesy of David Spiegelhalter) comparing the last ten years is attached.

if you prefer figures, comparing deaths this year with 5-year average:
21-27 Nov: 12,456 vs 10,357 (+20.3%)
14-20 Nov: 12,535 vs 10,380 (+20.8%)
07-13 Nov: 12,254 vs 10,350 (+18.4%)
w/e 6 Nov: 11,812 vs 10,331 (+14.3%)

The point is that deaths in November 2020 have been noticeably higher than the last ten years.

297775 ▶▶▶▶▶ Sophie123, replying to Richard Pinch, 1, #1071 of 1863 🔗

it still doesn’t stack up though. 500 COVID deaths a day, but only 2000 excess deaths a week. Somethings not right.

298252 ▶▶▶▶▶ Tim Bidie, replying to Richard Pinch, #1072 of 1863 🔗
298255 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Tim Bidie, replying to Tim Bidie, #1073 of 1863 🔗

That is the point.

297613 ▶▶ stefarm, replying to PhilipF, #1074 of 1863 🔗

You got it, it’s all make believe

297131 godowneasy, replying to godowneasy, 10, #1075 of 1863 🔗

Well blow me down, the world is sooo full of danger. It’s a miracle we have survived this long. Dangers lurk everywhere – viruses, bacteria, road vehicles, politicians, fruit. Yes, fruit. It’s official, avocados are dangerous. No, not because they are poisonous, but because people are stupid enough to injure themselves getting the stone out. Something else to add to our list of “stay safe” items.

Dutch doctors warn of rise in avocado-related injuries https://www.brusselstimes.com/belgium/144797/dutch-doctors-warn-of-rise-in-avocado-related-injuries-plastic-surgery-stoning-nerve-damage-pitting-knife-california-avocado-commission-best-practice/


  • Dutch Plastic surgeons have warned of a rise in the prevalence of avocado related injuries, so much so that they’ve coined a term for it – ‘avocado hand’.
  • Research from the United States in 2019 showed that 8,000 Americans suffer an avocado-related injury every year, with the paper calling for “education on safe avocado preparation techniques and public safety initiatives, such as warning labels, could help prevent serious injuries in the future.”
  • A 2018 article by the Chicago Tribune went so far as to question if avocado injuries were reaching epidemic proportions. In Flanders things have not yet reached that stage yet, one expert suggests.

What has reached epidemic proportions is a level of insanity that I have never seen before.

297133 ▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to godowneasy, 8, #1076 of 1863 🔗

What has reached epidemic proportions is a level of insanity that I have never seen before.

We need protection from fruitcakes.

297142 ▶▶▶ Judith Day, replying to Nick Rose, 7, #1077 of 1863 🔗

Remember when idiots were claiming damages because they had not realised that Pop-Tarts would be hot when taking them out of the toaster!

297156 ▶▶▶▶ wendyk, replying to Judith Day, 4, #1078 of 1863 🔗

Some time ago Faith In Nature released a chocolate shampoo, which bore the warning : not safe for consumption or words to that effect.

297297 ▶▶▶▶ DavidC, replying to Judith Day, 1, #1079 of 1863 🔗

I remember in the early 1990s that a woman took an importer of boomerangs to court because her son had thrown one and it came back and hit him on the head. She won the case!


297517 ▶▶▶▶ Banjones, replying to Judith Day, #1080 of 1863 🔗

Or carried a very hot cup of coffee in their cupholder and got scalded (or a bit uncomfortable) by dropping it into their lap.

297180 ▶▶▶ Martin_L, replying to Nick Rose, 2, #1081 of 1863 🔗

Indeed we do, someone could choke on one of those 😉

297148 ▶▶ Awkward Git, replying to godowneasy, 5, #1082 of 1863 🔗

Coconuts are dangerous as well – research how many people are injured and/or die each year having coconuts fall on their heads when asleep under the coconut tree.

297160 ▶▶▶ wendyk, replying to Awkward Git, 3, #1083 of 1863 🔗

And don’t forget bananas! Slippery skins; lethal!

297199 ▶▶ DRW, replying to godowneasy, 1, #1084 of 1863 🔗

Thought this was satire at first!

297251 ▶▶▶ Tom in Scotland, replying to DRW, 1, #1085 of 1863 🔗

So did I – is it real? FFS!

297241 ▶▶ Lisa (formerly) from Toronto, replying to godowneasy, 2, #1086 of 1863 🔗

Do you think we could re-focus the WHO and get Bill Gates on the case? Maybe we’ve had the strategy all wrong. Instead of trying to use logic and data to pull people over to our side, what we really need to do is distract them with something else. Get the MSM on this story ASAP and report every avocado-related accident and maybe expand the scope to include even more fruit and vegetable dangers.

297277 ▶▶▶ thinkaboutit, replying to Lisa (formerly) from Toronto, 1, #1087 of 1863 🔗

Plus it would annoy the soy boys. No more avocado toast.

297306 ▶▶ Two-Six, replying to godowneasy, 4, #1088 of 1863 🔗

Tesco’s had to put “DO NOT EAT” on bunches of daffodils. People were mistaking them for spring onions and eating them.
Stupid Sheeple.

297776 ▶▶▶ CGL, replying to Two-Six, #1089 of 1863 🔗

Are you sure you weren’t reading Alice in Wonderland?

298059 ▶▶▶▶ Two-Six, replying to CGL, #1090 of 1863 🔗

nope its true, they really did do this. People really were eating daffodils.

297132 Basileus, replying to Basileus, 32, #1091 of 1863 🔗

Had an interesting chat with a colleague at work who was telling me about a new rule for the workplace. I rolled my eyes and shook my head.

‘Yes’ it’s all nonsense he said.

‘Yes’, I replied.

‘I might go on a demonstration one of these days’, he said.

I gave him a copy of ‘The Light’ newspaper, and I suspect we will be having a further conversation on Monday.

It makes you wonder how many more secret disciples are out there.

297134 ▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to Basileus, 16, #1092 of 1863 🔗

Lots. My workplace is about 75% sceptic.

297165 ▶▶▶ Julian, replying to Nick Rose, 5, #1093 of 1863 🔗

I am jealous

Because of my role I have limited scope for exploring views on this among colleagues, though suspect the % of hardcode sceptics is much lower than 75%

But still, even if it was 25% it would be nice to exchange views with them

297260 ▶▶▶ TJN, replying to Nick Rose, 6, #1094 of 1863 🔗

If 20% of people refused to wear masks then this garbage would be over tomorrow.

297408 ▶▶▶▶ Marialta, replying to TJN, 5, #1095 of 1863 🔗

This is why Not Wearing A Mask and circulating in society is so worthwhile. In WHSmiths today going around planting Back To Normal postcardsI saw that there were quite a few people looking in admiration of my bare face. I have also been to two X-rays and a health assessment bare faced with no problems.

297198 ▶▶ steve_w, replying to Basileus, 24, #1096 of 1863 🔗

I was in Wetherspoons today getting a coffee. I gave an older lady a little space and she looked up at me and said ‘dont worry about me, I think its a load of bollocks’ we both laughed and agreed heartily with each other

297261 ▶▶▶ Fingerache Philip., replying to steve_w, 2, #1097 of 1863 🔗

The same happened to me in “Wilco’s” minus the bad language.

297344 ▶▶▶ Ceriain, replying to steve_w, 3, #1098 of 1863 🔗

You should both have had a little dance while singing, “We’re going to die, we’re going to die.”

297136 p02099003, replying to p02099003, #1099 of 1863 🔗
297139 ▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to p02099003, #1100 of 1863 🔗

Are they testing snotty-nosed toddlers?????

297161 ▶▶ Julian, replying to p02099003, #1101 of 1863 🔗

I thought mortality in Germany was at normal levels, and has been all year. Is that not the case? Does anyone have a link to official German stats?

297190 ▶▶▶ steve_w, replying to Julian, #1102 of 1863 🔗

i think overall it is


but this is really germanys first wave (they didnt get the march april one quick enough before it was suppressed by summer). the people dying would have died anyway, so no excess deaths

when we had our first peak, it killed people who had just got through winter and may have made it til the next winter. ie we saw excess deaths

298006 ▶▶▶ Jo Dominich -, replying to Julian, #1103 of 1863 🔗

I think the truth is that Merkel has sort of lost it bascially.

297163 RickH, replying to RickH, 5, #1104 of 1863 🔗

I keep on seeing assertions that Covid is highly transmissible – but little hard evidence beyond simple assertion.

Does anyone have links to anything concrete on this aspect in comparison to other viruses?

297176 ▶▶ steve_w, replying to RickH, 6, #1105 of 1863 🔗

doesn’t seem very transmissible to me. on average each infected person gives it to 1 other person. thats in 10 days of being infectious and for most you wouldn’t even bother staying at home or notice you had it. i have no idea how it spreads. some study showed 1 person gave it to another 50 by attending some church in south korea. cant see how you would get an R value of 1 if that was the case with schools, hospitals, pubs open etc.

my personal theory is it was very infectious and ripped through the population in march april. most people have had it (asymptomatically). it just lies dormant in a lot of people and comes out when autumn comes in. immune systems, vit d, sunlight etc. it would explain why lockdowns have no effect

297192 ▶▶▶ Liam, replying to steve_w, 6, #1106 of 1863 🔗

All cause deaths have been running at completely average rates since the middle of May.

297204 ▶▶▶▶ steve_w, replying to Liam, 4, #1107 of 1863 🔗

exactly. we did have a pandemic back in march april. then it ended and is now endemic. autumn comes in and a few people ‘get a cold’ as expected.

297227 ▶▶▶▶▶ Lisa (formerly) from Toronto, replying to steve_w, 10, #1108 of 1863 🔗

We had a concentrated number of deaths over a few months, but we have no excess deaths for 2020 — even among those over 70. How are we in the middle of a deadly pandemic that doesn’t translate into excess mortality? We have trashed our economy and gutted our freedoms for absolutely nothing. Didn’t save one life it seems. We did, however, make many people’s deaths a whole lot more miserable than they needed to be.

297302 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Lms23, replying to Lisa (formerly) from Toronto, 7, #1109 of 1863 🔗

“We have trashed our economy and gutted our freedoms for absolutely nothing”

Some people will have made a ton of money out of this.
It’s possibly the biggest transfer of wealth from ordinary citizens to the already rich in history.

297250 ▶▶▶▶▶ Bella Donna, replying to steve_w, 3, #1110 of 1863 🔗

We had a spike caused by care home infections but that was deliberately done in my view.

297263 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ steve_w, replying to Bella Donna, 2, #1111 of 1863 🔗

its hard to see how it isn’t deliberate – it was such a stupid thing to do

297672 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to steve_w, #1112 of 1863 🔗

AKA a cull.

297301 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Lisa (formerly) from Toronto, replying to Bella Donna, 3, #1113 of 1863 🔗

I agree. The spike was because we didn’t protect the elderly in care homes, but overall we still didn’t see excess deaths. I’ll never understand the reasoning behind kicking elderly Covid positive patients out of hospitals and back into care homes to supposedly “make room” for the onslaught of Covid patients. Those people were the Covid patients! We already knew that the elderly were most at risk of dying from this thing and they kicked them out of hospital to make room for the non-existent younger people who never materialized.

298003 ▶▶▶▶▶ Jo Dominich -, replying to steve_w, #1114 of 1863 🔗

No we had a brief spell of a virus spreading but neither a pandemic or an empidemic.

297299 ▶▶▶▶ RickH, replying to Liam, 1, #1115 of 1863 🔗

Actually, mortality was running at the 27-year minimum until September.

297178 ▶▶ DavidC, replying to RickH, 1, #1116 of 1863 🔗

Rick, the transmissability is measured by the R number so a comparison to other diseases, such as flu, should be easy, IF we believe the SARS-CoV2 figures!

Bear in mind though, the transmissability and fatality rates could be very different. An R of 2, for example, and fatality rate of 0% is very different to an R of 2 and a death rate of 100%.


297184 ▶▶ Liam, replying to RickH, 9, #1117 of 1863 🔗

This is just an opinion of mine, but my belief is that all estimates or assertions about the transmissibility of bog standard respiratory viruses are completely and utterly made up, certainly when they’re endemic in a general population anyway.

297196 ▶▶ Martin_L, replying to RickH, 6, #1118 of 1863 🔗

Given that during the Pfizer vaccine trial, the control group of 22k only turned up 160 odd with the virus (I’ll leave out the fact that some of those could have been false positives), it doesn’t seem especially transmissible

297262 ▶▶▶ RickH, replying to Martin_L, 2, #1119 of 1863 🔗

That is basically where I’m coming from.

297345 ▶▶▶▶ Martin_L, replying to RickH, #1120 of 1863 🔗

I got that Rick. I perhaps should have made that clear

297515 ▶▶ ianric, replying to RickH, #1121 of 1863 🔗

A point myself and others have raised if covid is so infectious, why is that when testing for covid you have to stick a swab deep inside the throat and nose rather than swab from the mouth or breathe on something and test it for the virus. I am not a scientific expert but I would have thought if you were carrying a highly contagious virus it would be easy to find it. This what someone said in a previous post


I have two relatives who caught it in a clinical seeting and it was very nasty flu like illness which took quite a while to recover from. Interestingly neither of them infected the people they lived closely with. Would that be what we normal people call immunity. ”

I recall someone saying in another post he knew of someone with covid and people around that person were not infected. A previous blog by Toby had a list of questions for MPs and if I recall correctly one question why is that in 50% of households where someone had covid, other household members were not infected. I am curious how common this is.

298001 ▶▶ Jo Dominich -, replying to RickH, #1122 of 1863 🔗

RickH I don’t think there is any hard evidence at all. It’s all propaganda, manufactured hysterical and fake news. Shelly Tasker the Nurse who publicly resigned said at the height of the alleged pandemic in April she was stood down for 3 weeks on full pay because there was no work for them.

Other nurse whistleblowers have said this. The one who worked on 111 said they had virtually zerio calls about Covid and left before she was sacked. She has recently gone on to film herself in empty A&E departments, some pandemic!

297166 Ceriain, replying to Ceriain, 5, #1123 of 1863 🔗

One of the real reasons the NHS is ‘struggling’.

Image below shows numbers of staff off sick, and numbers and percentages of those which are Covid related.

PS. They are still including patients diagnosed in hospital with Covid in the daily reported ‘Admissions’ figure.

Don’t forget that before an area can move down the tier system, the Government will want to ensure that the local health system can handle any fresh surge in hospitalisations (i.e. admissions); this is one of their 5 key metrics for deciding which tier an area goes into.

So, while they continue to fiddle the ‘admissions/hospitalisaions’ figures, the scam continues.

Source: https://www.england.nhs.uk/statistics/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2020/12/Covid-Publication-10-12-2020.xlsx

297422 ▶▶ Stringfellow Hawke, replying to Ceriain, 3, #1124 of 1863 🔗

Saw a post a few weeks ago from [anon] Nurse at a hospital – said they are suffering severe staff shortages at times that are officially classed as covid-related. Unofficially it’s because they have developed bacterial infections & breathing difficulties from wearing the bloomin’ masks!

297670 ▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Stringfellow Hawke, #1125 of 1863 🔗

Mockdown-related then.

297993 ▶▶ Jo Dominich -, replying to Ceriain, #1126 of 1863 🔗

Very interesting Mr Bond. Is a voodoo doctor compiling these stats?

297167 DRW, replying to DRW, 19, #1127 of 1863 🔗

Just got back from the shops, pleased to see one fellow unmasked shopper and another unmasked bus passenger. Nice to see a “granny” not giving a damn. Heartening that there’s always at least one unmasked whenever I go out now.

Unfortunately walking back there was one yummy mummy with a pushchair who went wide eyed, swerved away and reached for her muzzle as I passed. Makes you feel bad for the child.

297218 ▶▶ Lisa (formerly) from Toronto, replying to DRW, 13, #1128 of 1863 🔗

These parents will reap what they have sown. Their children are in for a lifetime of mental health challenges and these idiot parents have no idea what lies ahead for them.

297271 ▶▶ thinkaboutit, replying to DRW, 4, #1129 of 1863 🔗

It would take all of my self control not to laugh out loud at that yummy mummy.

297669 ▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to thinkaboutit, #1130 of 1863 🔗

I would definitely have indulged in some dramatic eyerolling.

297172 DavidC, replying to DavidC, 9, #1131 of 1863 🔗

1,000 grams to a kilogram. 1,000 kilograms to a metric tonne.
53.3m face masks are sent to landfill each day in the UK.
Globally 129bn face masks are being used per month.

Surgical masks weigh about 3.5 grams.

That’s 186.5 metric tonnes of masks WASTE PER DAY in the UK.
451,500 metric tonnes WASTE PER MONTH globally.

Utter insanity, on top of all the other insanity that is Covid19. I despair.


297219 ▶▶ Two-Six, replying to DavidC, 11, #1132 of 1863 🔗

At least we have stopped using so many plastic bags in supermarkets
At least we have stopped using plastic stirring sticks with our coffees.
At least we have stopped using plastic straws
At least we have stopped using plastic cotton buds

Oh wait, all this is bollocks too. 53.3 million non biodegradable face nappies are now at large….And rising.


297233 ▶▶▶ Liam, replying to Two-Six, 8, #1133 of 1863 🔗

I’ve never had so many plastic bags in the house in my life. Supermarket deliveries use loads of them and they won’t take them back.

297237 ▶▶▶▶ Bella Donna, replying to Liam, 1, #1134 of 1863 🔗


297255 ▶▶▶▶ Fingerache Philip., replying to Liam, #1135 of 1863 🔗

Most supermarkets have a “recycling” bin for plastic bags.

297508 ▶▶▶▶ Cheshirecatslave, replying to Liam, #1136 of 1863 🔗

Sainsbury’s bring the groceries in crates and leave them on my hall floor. I have to find a bag to carry them to the kitchen. There is one kind driver who carries my cat litter where I want it to go.

297234 ▶▶▶ Bella Donna, replying to Two-Six, 1, #1137 of 1863 🔗

We now do click and collect and we take our own shopping bags to transfer the shopping direct from the crates, however it doesn’t stop whoever does the shopping in house using 3 or 4 plastic bags for vegetables, frozen and dairy products!

297293 ▶▶▶ Lms23, replying to Two-Six, 5, #1138 of 1863 🔗

And all the usual suspects who campaign and lobby against plastic products are suspiciously quiet about non-recyclable face masks.

297229 ▶▶ Bella Donna, replying to DavidC, 4, #1139 of 1863 🔗

But David we are saving lives aren’t we? / sarc

297268 ▶▶ Ben, replying to DavidC, 5, #1140 of 1863 🔗

There’s an article about the ecological damage caused by discarded face masks in Off-Guardian by Cory Morningstar.

I realised a while ago that the Greens couldn’t care less about the environment.

297292 ▶▶▶ Lisa (formerly) from Toronto, replying to Ben, 5, #1141 of 1863 🔗

It was an excellent article! My husband and I just remarked yesterday that years of recycling and “green” initiatives have been reversed by the face mask obsession. I’ve decided I needn’t pay attention to these people ever again since they seem perfectly OK with oceans full of masks, which have plastics in them.

297668 ▶▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Lisa (formerly) from Toronto, 1, #1142 of 1863 🔗

Not just the facemasks. Think of all the extra takeaway waste because of the vendetta against the hospitality industry.

297380 ▶▶ Old Normal, replying to DavidC, 4, #1143 of 1863 🔗

If people wearing them think they may have a deadly virus, why are they just throwing them in the street and in parks etc.?

I counted around 10 during a short lunchtime walk. Where’s the threat of hefty fines for discarding a mask where a passing badger or something might get infected? (The badger part is a joke but you get my point)

297174 Dan Clarke, replying to Dan Clarke, 25, #1144 of 1863 🔗

So the masks dont work, the lockdowns don’t work, the social distancing doesn’t work, but we’ll continue…..

297185 ▶▶ Ceriain, replying to Dan Clarke, 3, #1145 of 1863 🔗

Pretty much, yes.

297188 ▶▶ DavidC, replying to Dan Clarke, 6, #1146 of 1863 🔗

You missed vaccines…!


297604 ▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to DavidC, #1147 of 1863 🔗

They’re not vaccines, they don’t create immunity.

297189 ▶▶ DRW, replying to Dan Clarke, 3, #1148 of 1863 🔗

Zealots: “You can’t prove it doesn’t!”

297195 ▶▶▶ Dan Clarke, replying to DRW, 4, #1149 of 1863 🔗

Sceptics: the proof is there that it doesn’t, how many lockdown’s, how long have we been distancing?

297206 ▶▶▶▶ DRW, replying to Dan Clarke, 4, #1150 of 1863 🔗

Zealots: “True lockdown has not yet been tried”

297215 ▶▶▶▶▶ Liam, replying to DRW, 4, #1151 of 1863 🔗

Bit like communism.

297231 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ DRW, replying to Liam, 4, #1152 of 1863 🔗

Exactly like communism, it’s another No True Scotsman fallacy.

297226 ▶▶▶▶▶ Dan Clarke, replying to DRW, 4, #1153 of 1863 🔗

True lockdown, ie prison, but its rife in prison, apparently Nothing works even the one way masks are now going both ways

297247 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ DRW, replying to Dan Clarke, 4, #1154 of 1863 🔗

Zealots will always have some excuse.

297200 ▶▶ Martin_L, replying to Dan Clarke, 3, #1155 of 1863 🔗

Its all those evil people ignoring the measures 🙂

297281 ▶▶▶ Lms23, replying to Martin_L, 4, #1156 of 1863 🔗

Like all those people who have no choice but to go to work.

And if it’s as infectious and deadly as the government is pretending,why aren’t supermarket staff dropping like flies???

297310 ▶▶▶▶ Martin_L, replying to Lms23, 1, #1157 of 1863 🔗

It was meant to be a joke.
Lighten up

297397 ▶▶▶▶▶ Liam, replying to Martin_L, 1, #1158 of 1863 🔗

We know. Everyone is on a hair trigger at the minute.

297205 ▶▶ Lisa (formerly) from Toronto, replying to Dan Clarke, 10, #1159 of 1863 🔗

Yes, our provincial chief public “health” officer said yesterday that the Toronto lockdown isn’t producing the results he expected. DUH!!! That must mean we either need to do more of the same or that the plebes are just not following orders well enough, despite total compliance. Wouldn’t occur to the moron that maybe, just maybe, you can’t stop a virus. It’s as if these medical “experts,” who I’m sure graduated bottom of their class, forgot everything they ever learned about virus transmission.

297232 ▶▶▶ watashi, replying to Lisa (formerly) from Toronto, 1, #1160 of 1863 🔗

If indeed a virus can even be transmitted?

297275 ▶▶▶▶ Lisa (formerly) from Toronto, replying to watashi, 2, #1161 of 1863 🔗

Are you referring to terrain theory vs. germ theory? I don’t know much about it, but it’s quite intriguing. Best example I’ve heard is scurvy. A bunch of sailors out to sea all develop the same set of symptoms. Would appear to be something transmissible, but of course we now know it was scurvy.

297284 ▶▶▶ Dan Clarke, replying to Lisa (formerly) from Toronto, 2, #1162 of 1863 🔗

Its what happens when so often these days, merit doesn’t matter and saying the right things does, we have too much mediocre in public office these days, down to Common Purpose in many cases.

297288 ▶▶▶ Lms23, replying to Lisa (formerly) from Toronto, 1, #1163 of 1863 🔗

Ezra Levant joins Tucker Carlson: Trudeau trained Chinese troops in Canada

Good to see Prime Minister Trudeau costing up to the Chinese Communist Party, who are far better and more moral and peaceful than that fascist dictator Trump.

297337 ▶▶▶▶ Lisa (formerly) from Toronto, replying to Lms23, 2, #1164 of 1863 🔗

Trudeau has always been a CCP sympathizer. And he’s also a big proponent of the Great Reset so we’re in deep shit.

297605 ▶▶▶▶▶ Tom in Scotland, replying to Lisa (formerly) from Toronto, #1165 of 1863 🔗

He should have stuck with snowboarding. We’d all be better off.

297617 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Tom in Scotland, #1166 of 1863 🔗

Especially if he’d broken his neck.

297367 ▶▶ Old Normal, replying to Dan Clarke, 5, #1167 of 1863 🔗

Is there likely to be any point in the next 5 years where people start to think for themselves and realise this?

I don’t hold out much hope. Can’t we just segregate society now so people can choose what rules they want to live by?

Why should I and millions like me be forced to put up with this utter shite a minute longer?

Does my life not matter? Is it not selfish to make me live in a way that’s against my will and beliefs? Why do I have no choice anymore?

297986 ▶▶ Jo Dominich -, replying to Dan Clarke, #1168 of 1863 🔗

Until we stop it.

297182 Ceriain, 3, #1169 of 1863 🔗

Heads up for the other stats guys: the latest NHS Covid Publication is out.

Stats include Admissions and Inpatient Diagnoses (totalled to give the fake daily figure reported on the Gov.uk pages); Bed Occupation, Discharges, and Staff Sickness.

December 2020 COVID Publication (XLSX, 10.8MB)

297191 peyrole, replying to peyrole, 18, #1170 of 1863 🔗

I have thought long and hard about the rationale behind so many governments doing what they have done over the last 10 months. I have wondered if its just an almighty cock-up with people doubling down to cover mistakes through fear of eventual retributions. I have wondered about the liklihood that people can possibly be as clever to be involved in a conspiracy to ‘re-set’ the world.
I have come to the conclusion its just about old fashioned GREED. Enough politicians and advisers knew the western economies are in pretty bad shape before covid. In the UK the fall-out economically from Brexit is not going to be pretty, the US are/have been in virtual slow motion (mainly) non-violent civil war for 4 years. So a number of ruthless and quite evil people decided to take maximum advantage of the covid situation to rape and pillage their country by creating $bns of deals based on ‘covid requirements’ of all sorts. Most of this money is created from plunging their respective countries in further excessive debt.
Now the real money spinners are vaccines, so anything will be done to keep this show on the road until as many doses of vaccines as possible are bought and forced on their populations.
These people are going for broke. They will do anything, lie about anything to get as rich as possible now. Because they know they will head for the hills as soon as they can leaving the mess to be picked up by others. Nothing will stop that , the amount of money at risk is so very large they can bribe anybody to keep going.
Johnson and Hancock are finding it increasingly difficult to keep their faces straight as they start receiving the down payments into numbered Swiss accounts. The willing spare parts like Whitty, Vallance, Van Tam have to keep going, their payment ( if they are lucky) will come towards the end, and will be much more traceable.

297212 ▶▶ Darryl, replying to peyrole, 7, #1171 of 1863 🔗

It’s not even a hidden secret that politicians and senior civil servants switch between public and private sectors. Unfortunately the public will never do any research or question peoples motives. I expect Boris Johnson will return to his lucrative weekly Telegraph column and various consulting jobs after leaving office and Matt Hancock will be rewarded for his treason at the Bill Gates Foundation or World Economic Forum.

297222 ▶▶ Julian, replying to peyrole, 1, #1172 of 1863 🔗

I think it’s as much about greed for power and attention as it is greed for financial gain

297276 ▶▶▶ Lms23, replying to Julian, 1, #1173 of 1863 🔗

Could be both.

297223 ▶▶ Bella Donna, replying to peyrole, 10, #1174 of 1863 🔗

I read an article in the DT a couple of years ago about the middle classes disappearing, I thought it was absolute rubbish. It is happening now, the wheels are being set in motion the rich become richer the poor will be on universal income and the middle classes will disappear.

297252 ▶▶ Ben, replying to peyrole, 6, #1175 of 1863 🔗

Agreed. Pharma opportunism repeats. There’s the WEF’s Great Reset and tech waiting to enslave us with immunity passports. Also this man, Ernst Wolff, thinks it’s an economic crash that was waiting to happen


297600 ▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to peyrole, #1176 of 1863 🔗

The PCR test is a pretty good money spinner. More reliable than the vaccine too!

297983 ▶▶ Jo Dominich -, replying to peyrole, #1177 of 1863 🔗

Yes, sometimes it really helps to look at things in a simple manner. This is not a complicated situation It is being made complicated by the staggering level of lies being told everyday and the very clear evidence that at least, in this country, I cannot speak for others, that the Government are desperately trying to keep the narrative going in the face of plummeting figures, false tests, NHS being under capacity and the rest of the shit show. Quite simply put, we have a respiratory virus going around which has the same or less lethality than the flu. There never has been a pandemic. There has been a scamdemic. It will all end in collapse and we the UK, will be a far poorer country financially probably no better than the 2nd world countries. The only criminals responsible are the Government, SAGE and the MSM.

297216 Bella Donna, 4, #1178 of 1863 🔗
297220 mattghg, replying to mattghg, 13, #1179 of 1863 🔗

Has anyone else noticed the NHS buying up advertising on Facebook in order to tell us all that the Pfizer vaccine (presumably) is safe?


As I commented, it looks like they know they’re losing the battle over this.

297248 ▶▶ Richard O, replying to mattghg, 21, #1180 of 1863 🔗

The truth is that no one can know this with any of the Covid-19 vaccines as they have only been on trial for 6 months.

I’m still gobsmacked that this has been done, it is one of the greatest scandals in medical history. Made even worse by all the threats of coercion, which are steadily being ramped up as the level of desperation grows.

297977 ▶▶▶ Jo Dominich -, replying to Richard O, #1181 of 1863 🔗

Where are the NHS getting the money for this advertising from?

297258 ▶▶ DRW, replying to mattghg, 9, #1182 of 1863 🔗

The more they push it the dodgier it looks, especially with the wheels already coming off.

297278 ▶▶▶ mattghg, replying to DRW, 3, #1183 of 1863 🔗

I totally agree.

297323 ▶▶▶ stefarm, replying to DRW, 4, #1184 of 1863 🔗

That’s why I think it’s not going to happen and is a big fart, too much fan fare and crocodile tears.

It might happen in a years time hence the lockdown and gimp masks to continue.

Regular vaccines for a never ending list of potential viruses is the future plan.

297272 ▶▶ Lms23, replying to mattghg, 4, #1185 of 1863 🔗

I don’t do Facebook.
As they’re part of the Silicon Valley disinformation campaign, I’m glad I didn’t.

297420 ▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to mattghg, 2, #1186 of 1863 🔗

You can block all NHS ads. 😀

297595 ▶▶ Kevin 2, replying to mattghg, #1187 of 1863 🔗

“It’s undergone rigorous tests, including clinical trials that are globally recognised as having the highest safety standards”.

Utter baloney..
The tests are so rigorous that they acknowledge they have no idea of effects on fertility.
And they acknowledge they have no idea of potential adverse interactions with other drugs.
And the Pfizer trial is only about a quarter of the way through.

Then that twatter post links to the NHS site, on which is said:-


  • protect you and your child from many serious and potentially deadly diseases
  • protect other people in your community – by helping to stop diseases spreading to people who cannot have vaccines
  • get safety tested for years before being introduced – they’re also monitored for any side effects
  • sometimes cause mild side effects that will not last long – some children may feel a bit unwell and have a sore arm for 2 or 3 days
  • reduce or even get rid of some diseases – if enough people are vaccinated


  • do not cause autism – studies have found no evidence of a link between the MMR vaccine and autism
  • do not overload or weaken the immune system – it’s safe to give children several vaccines at a time and this reduces the amount of injections they need
  • do not cause allergies or any other conditions – all the current evidence tells us that vaccinating is safer than not vaccinating
  • do not contain mercury (thiomersal)
  • do not contain any ingredients that cause harm in such small amounts – but speak to your doctor if you have any known allergies such as eggs or gelatine

As is patently obvious, the Pfizer vaccine clearly fails to live up to what the NHS site professes to be true about all vaccines.

How do they get away with it…?

297236 richmond, replying to richmond, 6, #1188 of 1863 🔗

I’ll tell you one thing I don’t like about shopping without a mask, and that’s alarming perfectly nice sales staff who have always been very friendly towards me. Anyone else had this problem?

297240 ▶▶ Ben, replying to richmond, 7, #1189 of 1863 🔗

Your natural state is not a problem

297361 ▶▶▶ Lucan Grey, replying to Ben, 2, #1190 of 1863 🔗

It is. It’s cold outside and I look even less impressive in the buff than normal.

297259 ▶▶ thinkaboutit, replying to richmond, 8, #1191 of 1863 🔗

Not really. They’ve mostly been very smiley behind their masks. It might help that I look frail enough to find a mask troublesome, so they assume I’m genuinely exempt.

It’s the other customers who get annoyed. I put it down to jealousy.

297270 ▶▶ wendyk, replying to richmond, 4, #1192 of 1863 🔗

I’ve noticed that one woman who works at our local Morrison’s is still friendly , but is showing signs of caution.

However, most just grin behind their masks ; they’re a splendid bunch, considering the conditions which they have to work in.

297400 ▶▶▶ Awkward Git, replying to wendyk, 9, #1193 of 1863 🔗

Our local Morrisons have put up signs saying that as the staff are behind screens masks are not required by the staff so all the checkout staff are free faced and smiling.

All a lot happier.

297447 ▶▶▶▶ wendyk, replying to Awkward Git, 3, #1194 of 1863 🔗

Good to know

297417 ▶▶ anon, replying to richmond, 3, #1195 of 1863 🔗

yes. with me they have only just begun to start behaving normally.

297419 ▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to richmond, 1, #1196 of 1863 🔗


297483 ▶▶▶ MiriamW-sometimes-AlanG, replying to Cheezilla, #1197 of 1863 🔗

Nor us. MW and AG

297239 Julian, replying to Julian, 11, #1198 of 1863 🔗

So Merkel is panicking about all the terrible deaths in Germany but actually the numbers dying are dead normal AND HAVE BEEN ALL YEAR

At least here we did have a spike of deaths earlier, which makes the rest of the nonsense vaguely plausible, albeit we know its rubbish

The same can be said for the US, Spain, France, Italy

But not Germany

So on what basis can Markel justify ruining her own country?

I find this, oddly, deeply shocking. More shocking than what our own bunch of psychos are doing.

297265 ▶▶ richmond, replying to Julian, 10, #1199 of 1863 🔗

We had a spike of deaths in April and May, but it wasn’t caused by Covid. We know this because on September 29 this year the Centre for Evidence-Based Medicine published the graphs showing deaths from respiratory illnesses for 2010-2020 inclusive. They showed that nothing special happened this year with regard to those illnesses.
The April/May spike was therefore caused , presumably, by the removal of elderly patients in March from the hospitals into the care homes, where they didn’t have adequate medical facilities to look after them properly, and so many of them died. What else could it have been?

297283 ▶▶▶ steve_w, replying to richmond, 2, #1200 of 1863 🔗

I agree this is likely. the effect of lockdown itself would have killed a few who were near the edge. stress kills

297307 ▶▶▶ Harry hopkins, replying to richmond, 14, #1201 of 1863 🔗

Care home managers were allowed to put Covid as the reason for death. Care homes were given extra funding to SAY they had covid patients. Doctors and medical staff DID NOT enter care homes to help those who were sick and dieing. No post mortems have been carried on on supposed covid deaths. Residents were isolated, neglected and left to die. This was nothing less than a crime against humanity perpetrated by this evil government. We should never forget this.

297316 ▶▶▶▶ Dame Lynet, replying to Harry hopkins, 7, #1202 of 1863 🔗

This should have been headline news and I hope to see it one day.

297350 ▶▶▶▶ Angryphon of Tunbridge Wells, replying to Harry hopkins, 9, #1203 of 1863 🔗

Correct as a Nurse I witnessed that and much worse.I’m ready to War with these cunts.

297402 ▶▶▶▶▶ Harry hopkins, replying to Angryphon of Tunbridge Wells, 3, #1204 of 1863 🔗

So sorry to hear that. As an obviously caring and compassionate nurse it must have left you with memories you would rather forget. But don’t…your testimony will be of immense value in the weeks and months ahead.

297470 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ John Stitch non stop dancer, replying to Harry hopkins, 6, #1205 of 1863 🔗

I never will forget.Having trained in South London working in Brixton Prison f wing and a that pit of Hell Broadmoor I thought I’ve seen everything but this! I found a dead bird this morning in my garden and wept like a child.It really helped clear the slurry of wasted emotion.

297476 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ John Stitch non stop dancer, replying to John Stitch non stop dancer, 1, #1206 of 1863 🔗

F wing commonly referred to as Fraggle rock thankfully no longer.

297974 ▶▶▶▶ Jo Dominich -, replying to Harry hopkins, #1207 of 1863 🔗

Yep all this crap about if it saves one life – well, they don’t mind a spot of murder or manslaughter when it suits, in numbers of thousands

297266 ▶▶ Norman, replying to Julian, 5, #1208 of 1863 🔗

This says that the city of Tübingen is following a different policy, more like the Gt Barrington Declaration


Germany believes in devolution. It’s a *federal* republic, after all.

297300 ▶▶▶ DRW, replying to Norman, 1, #1209 of 1863 🔗

Is there a least worst state in Germany out of interest?

297242 Ewan Duffy, replying to Ewan Duffy, #1210 of 1863 🔗


Irish social workers object to restrictions on nursing home visits. However, it looks like what they are calling for is ‘safe’ visiting rooms.

297413 ▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Ewan Duffy, 1, #1211 of 1863 🔗

I suppose it’s an improvement on shivering outside while trying to communicate through a double-glazed window.

297256 wendyk, replying to wendyk, 16, #1212 of 1863 🔗

That government is best which governs the least, because its people discipline themselves. Henry David Thoreau

Wise words for the sceptics

297972 ▶▶ Jo Dominich -, replying to wendyk, 1, #1213 of 1863 🔗

Here’s another one from Goethe:

“None are so hopelessly enslaved, as those who falsely believe they are free. The truth has been kept from the depth of their minds by masters who rule them with lies.”

297264 Sarigan, replying to Sarigan, 3, #1214 of 1863 🔗

A long read but very worth it:

For the Greater Good? The Devastating Ripple Effects of the Covid-19 Crisis

297336 ▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Sarigan, #1215 of 1863 🔗

Good article. Not clear if she thinks there’s a viral crisis. She obviously thinks there’s a serious mockdown crisis.

As we are arguably facing the largest humanitarian disaster in the history of mankind, caused by the lockdown measures, it is my hope that the negative side effects will, to some extent, be counteracted via smart interventions and community care.

297274 Martin_L, replying to Martin_L, 12, #1216 of 1863 🔗

My heart bleeds for these poor under privileged people


I can just hear the Christmas appeal – “Can you spare five pounds to help a starving MP?”

Useless bastards should have their pay stopped

297295 ▶▶ Sam Vimes, replying to Martin_L, 4, #1217 of 1863 🔗

Best I’vce felt all week. Beer time!

297315 ▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Martin_L, 1, #1218 of 1863 🔗

They already had a £10k bung “to facilitate working from home”.

297332 ▶▶ kh1485, replying to Martin_L, 6, #1219 of 1863 🔗

They should be docked 4-5 months’ pay, so they can experience that “all in it together” feeling.

297449 ▶▶▶ Sam Vimes, replying to kh1485, 3, #1220 of 1863 🔗

They should certainly have something docked…

297279 Awkward Git, replying to Awkward Git, 18, #1221 of 1863 🔗

My son just showed me a photo posted on his farce book wall showing an elderly gentleman getting the vaccine jab with his sleeves rolled down – it clearly shows the “nurse” jabbing him through a shirt.

The idiocy gets worse.

If I can get a copy will post it.

297304 ▶▶ Ceriain, replying to Awkward Git, 2, #1222 of 1863 🔗

I’ve seen it; can’t find it now, though. Damn!

297396 ▶▶▶ Awkward Git, replying to Ceriain, 2, #1223 of 1863 🔗

Unreal wasn’t it and the “nurse” didn’t even notice.

297418 ▶▶▶▶ Ceriain, replying to Awkward Git, 1, #1224 of 1863 🔗


Yes, exactly..

I usually grab these when I see them; moreso since this bollocks started. It bothers me that the picture doesn’t show up on ‘the Google’.

Then again, I’m not too surprised at that. Usually Amazon is full of stuff with “Is that true, or did you read/see it on the BBC” on it; now, I can find one mug, and everything else seems to have disappeared.

They’re all in this together.

297312 ▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Awkward Git, 1, #1225 of 1863 🔗

Please do!

297296 Edward Lear, replying to Edward Lear, 31, #1226 of 1863 🔗

I know I shouldn’t do it, but in the interests of a rounded view of the world, i tend to look at all the broadsheets from left to right of the political spectrum each day, which means I do look at the Guardian every morning. They are the the outlet which is most guilty of generating hubris and misconceptions about Covid than any other msm outlet. Today, their Chrismas appeal is headlined “Covid is tearing a hole in young people’s lives….”. Covid, you dick brained knob heads, is doing nothing of the sort. It is a virus. It has no agency. No capacity to make choices, decisions or engage in particular actions. That falls to humans. So no Covid is not tearnig a hole in young people’s lives, the government’s response to Covid is doing that, a response that has been cheer led by you lot at the Guardian.

This language use is more than semantics – it encourage people to make attributions which falsely lay the blame for the crisis caused by this government and the msm at the door of the virus rather than at the door of the people who have generated it. So forgive me if I look at your Christmas appeal with scepticism and disdain, dear Guardian – you helped create the appalling situation young people are facing so why don’t you take some action yourselves and stop using language that encourages the public to believe the crisis is caused by the virus.

297314 ▶▶ RickH, replying to Edward Lear, 2, #1227 of 1863 🔗

the broadsheets from left to right of the political spectrum”

There is no broadsheet to the left of the political spectrum. The Groan fervently opposed Corbyn, and is known as the ‘MI5 House Journal’ in terms of being a conduit for the establishment party line – and supported the Liberals previously. The fact that it contains some centre-left opinion pieces doesn’t alter this basic alignment. It lost its credibility as a genuinely radical voice over ten years ago, after the Snowden affair.

297330 ▶▶▶ Biker, replying to RickH, 8, #1228 of 1863 🔗

there’s nothing radical about left wingers, they’re just depressing. The crazy thing is you actually believe being left is radical, lol, radically stupid more like

297429 ▶▶▶▶ RickH, replying to Biker, -4, #1229 of 1863 🔗

I know, Biker – it’s like sweary motorcycle nerds thinking they’re the advance guard of liberty. A bit simple-minded. LoL.

297322 ▶▶ Andrea Salford, replying to Edward Lear, 10, #1230 of 1863 🔗

I take every opportunity I can to correct the written or spoken word ‘virus’ to ‘lockdowns’ and/or ‘the government’s criminal behaviour against humanity and civil liberties’ as appropriate depending on the context – I love to stop people in their tracks with that truth and some even do appear to consider it further.

297675 ▶▶▶ Cranmer, replying to Andrea Salford, 1, #1231 of 1863 🔗

I usually refer in speech to ‘unjustifiable lockdown’ rather than just ‘lockdown’.

297407 ▶▶ Liam, replying to Edward Lear, 1, #1232 of 1863 🔗

^^^This x10000^^^

297305 leggy, replying to leggy, 16, #1233 of 1863 🔗

Just had a very frustrating discussion with a software developer at work.

1) He thinks that flu has disappeared because of distancing/masks etc. I asked why if that was the case, why positive SARS-Cov-2 cases had also not reduced given that they would both be communicable respiratory viruses. First he had no idea what SARS-Cov-2 was, secondly he didn’t understand my point.

2) He thinks that the big problem with testing is the false negatives. Apparently there’s a 15% false negative rate therefore 15 in every 100 people tested is a missed positive diagnoses. So there are millions of asymptomatic spreaders out there killing grannies. I tried to explain to him that any FPR could only actually apply to a real positive and it therefore had to be calculated in comparison with prevalence. He didn’t get it and insists that there’s something on “full fact” that states different! I know there’s a nice chart somewhere explaining this, but I couldn’t put my hand on it.

This guy is not unintelligent – he’s a good finance guy and a good developer. But I despair at the lack of understanding. I’ve no idea how we ever overcome this ignorance.

297328 ▶▶ Ceriain, replying to leggy, 4, #1234 of 1863 🔗

“full fact”

Bloody hell!

297343 ▶▶▶ leggy, replying to Ceriain, 1, #1235 of 1863 🔗

I know!

297329 ▶▶ Two-Six, replying to leggy, 3, #1236 of 1863 🔗

It’s mind blowing. and Full Fact as a reputable source of information. It’s just insane how people can’t see how wrong they are about everything and 100% political.

297347 ▶▶▶ leggy, replying to Two-Six, 2, #1237 of 1863 🔗

I was going to point out that they were funded by Facebook, Google and the Open Society Foundation but I didn’t see the point. It would have gone over his head.

297354 ▶▶▶ Sarigan, replying to Two-Six, 3, #1238 of 1863 🔗

Sky Australia have a little look at the Arsebook fact checkers:


297351 ▶▶ mhcp, replying to leggy, 3, #1239 of 1863 🔗

It’s often because they don’t teach measurement technique for software engineers, even engineering ones. I’ve worked with a lot of engineers in my time and it’s amazing how a lot of them don’t know what metrology is or why it is important.

297357 ▶▶ Richard Pinch, replying to leggy, 3, #1240 of 1863 🔗

False positive and false negative rates are independent. Each of them is a problem for a mass-testing programme, but in different ways. A high false positive rate means a large number of people pointlessly isolated, to their detriment of course; a high false negative rate means people who are or may be infectious being encouraged to believe there is no reason for them to restrict their social contact, and hence potentially infecting others — which is of course the whole point of the mass testing programme.

297366 ▶▶▶ leggy, replying to Richard Pinch, 1, #1241 of 1863 🔗

Granted. But the FNR can only apply to true positives, not the whole sample. This was the fundamental point that my colleague could not grasp. Also, you will know as well as I do that detection of viral matter is no indication of being infectious, especially if clinical assessment of symptoms is not considered.

297386 ▶▶▶▶ Richard Pinch, replying to leggy, 2, #1242 of 1863 🔗

I agree. My point is that a high FNR calls into question the mass testing programme on its own terms . If the advocates of Project Moonshot believe that a chunk of the population, are roaming around infecting others, and they think that chunk, however large or small, poses such a great danger as to make it worth spending £100billion (that’s £1500 out of the pocket of everyone in the entire country) on a mass testing programme to find that dangerously infectious chunk of people so they can isolate them for the general good, and then they allow maybe half of those people they think so dangerous to roam freely — well, then they’re not spending that £100billion as wisely as they think they are.

Of course if you believe that the positive test result is not synonymous with being dangerously infectious, that’s another and quite different argument against mass testing.

297374 ▶▶ Andrew K, replying to leggy, 1, #1243 of 1863 🔗

Tell him to watch this video and also tell him his ignorance will kill his family, children and granny and that his job is not safe.

297411 ▶▶ anon, replying to leggy, 3, #1244 of 1863 🔗

I had one warning me of fake news about covid …and how googol et al were sorting things so we’d only get the real news about covid


297486 ▶▶ guy153, replying to leggy, 2, #1245 of 1863 🔗

Flu hasn’t disappeared. He may be right that there are more false negatives than false positives. The crossover point is roughly somewhere around the current prevalence of 1.5% or so. We don’t know exactly because we don’t know the true performance of the tests nor the true prevalence. But we’re somewhere near that crossover.

297510 ▶▶ mhcp, replying to leggy, 1, #1246 of 1863 🔗

Flu isn’t being tested for in the same numbers because priority is given to Covid tests. In the summer you had more flu tests because resources weren’t as stretched.

But the basic principle is always to look at how things are measured first before jumping to conclusions about other things.

If you don’t test for flu and then designate ‘no flu here’ that’s a bit of bodge isn’t it.

298040 ▶▶▶ leggy, replying to mhcp, #1247 of 1863 🔗

Got to be honest, I didn’t think testing for flu was a common thing. I guess they do some sampling to identify strains. Or at least they did when they weren’t looking alomost exclusively for something else that probably isn’t even there most of the time.

297313 stefarm, replying to stefarm, 15, #1248 of 1863 🔗

It’s wonderful to meet with and talk to someone on the same page. We shook hands!!!!!!!! And laughed at the zombies

297326 ▶▶ Lisa (formerly) from Toronto, replying to stefarm, 18, #1249 of 1863 🔗

We’re having friends for dinner Sunday night. I never thought having friends inside my house would feel subversive!

297331 ▶▶▶ Two-Six, replying to Lisa (formerly) from Toronto, 2, #1250 of 1863 🔗

Are your friends still alive?

297342 ▶▶▶ stefarm, replying to Lisa (formerly) from Toronto, 7, #1251 of 1863 🔗

I know, we shook hands in public…. oooooohhhhh

297764 ▶▶▶▶ CGL, replying to stefarm, 1, #1252 of 1863 🔗

Some of us even HUG!!!!

297969 ▶▶▶▶▶ Jo Dominich -, replying to CGL, #1253 of 1863 🔗

OMG! Stand in the crucifixion queue!

297368 ▶▶▶ Andrew K, replying to Lisa (formerly) from Toronto, 16, #1254 of 1863 🔗

Please please please think of my 127 year old grandad who you WILL KILL. Can’t you have dinner in the garden instead, only lowering your muzzles between bites. Ask your friends to bring their own plates and cutlery. No Alcohol after 6pm or I’ll definitely call the police.

297488 ▶▶▶▶ Lisa (formerly) from Toronto, replying to Andrew K, 4, #1255 of 1863 🔗

It’s a little chilly in Canada for outdoor dining. We will toast to your 127-year-old grandad while drinking with abandon and will risk using the dishes.

297412 ▶▶▶ Tom in Scotland, replying to Lisa (formerly) from Toronto, 4, #1256 of 1863 🔗

I hope you’re allowing them to use your pristine bathroom(s) and not forcing them to wear adult diapers (as a Chinese airline is requiring) or simply ‘hold it’.

297490 ▶▶▶▶ Lisa (formerly) from Toronto, replying to Tom in Scotland, 1, #1257 of 1863 🔗

No diapers allowed in my house — face diapers or otherwise. My guests are free to use the bathroom! And we’re really going to take a huge risk and eat without all the windows open.

297318 Tenchy, replying to Tenchy, 44, #1258 of 1863 🔗

So a full nine months after the Wuhan Lab Flu first made an appearance, we are now “heading towards disaster”. This from The Telegraph live feed (free), my emphasis:


People should rethink Christmas as country heads towards disaster, warns experts

Scientists have urged people to rethink Christmas as coronavirus infection rates increase in parts of the UK, warning the country is heading towards “disaster”.

Just because people can meet up, it does not mean they should, according to Independent Sage.

The group, chaired by former Government chief scientific adviser Sir David King, said there is a need to highlight the risks of mixing indoors.

Families who decide to meet up over the five days that Covid-19 restrictions are relaxed over the festive period must be advised on how to keep their homes safe, the experts said.

Independent Sage is also calling for a pandemic fuel allowance so people can keep their homes ventilated while at the same time turning up the heating to stay warm.

Professor Stephen Reicher, of the University of St Andrews, said: “ Right now we are heading towards disaster.

“Given high levels of infection across the country and the increasing levels in some areas (such as London) it is inevitable that if we all do choose to meet up over Christmas then we will pay the price in the New Year.”

Oh just fuck off! I’m sick to the back teeth of hearing from you bloody idiots!

297334 ▶▶ leggy, replying to Tenchy, 15, #1259 of 1863 🔗

Yep, that’s a big fuck off from me too…

297540 ▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to leggy, 3, #1260 of 1863 🔗

And so say all of us!

297340 ▶▶ Two-Six, replying to Tenchy, 21, #1261 of 1863 🔗

The only disaster these bastards are facing is the public realising they have been monumentally scammed to within an inch of their lives and will soon be baying for REVENGE!

297360 ▶▶ Ben, replying to Tenchy, 19, #1262 of 1863 🔗

I feel nothing but contempt for scientists now

They have shown themselves to be just as easily bought as any politician. How many trails lead back to Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation ‘funding’?

297438 ▶▶▶ Norman, replying to Ben, 11, #1263 of 1863 🔗

One problem was that universities changed from centres of learning and research and teaching to, er, mega-businesses. Combined turnover in the UK £27bn a year, I think. Academics don’t have tenure any more, it ended 30 or more yrs ago. If they say anything too controversial, the result might be the same as in government or industry if you don’t toe the line.

297533 ▶▶▶ James007, replying to Ben, 9, #1264 of 1863 🔗

I had an interesting conversation about scientists the other day. We agreed that a good scientist is curious, questioning, honest about gaps in knowledge, and approaches learning with humility.
Bad scientists are arrogant, believe that models and estimates are equivalent to empirical results, and think they are prophets.
The later group like to work in public policy and the public sector.

297363 ▶▶ DRW, replying to Tenchy, 16, #1265 of 1863 🔗

The disaster they’re worried about is the christmas truce slipping the genie out the bottle.

297454 ▶▶▶ Bugle, replying to DRW, 7, #1266 of 1863 🔗

True. They’re worried about losing control of the situation.

297376 ▶▶ Leemc23, replying to Tenchy, 12, #1267 of 1863 🔗

Prof Stephen Reicher, of the University of St Andrews, is a behavioural scientist. He likely knows less about epidemic virus spread as much of us on here.

He should take a very long run off a very short pier. He is not NOT qualified.

Can someone please head to his twatter account and tell him to shut the fuck up. Cheers.

297377 ▶▶ Bella, replying to Tenchy, 13, #1268 of 1863 🔗

Before this second stupid lockdown most of us were all going to the pubs and restaurants. Did we head for disaster then? We need to insist these wankers tell the truth. ‘Cases’ are positive tests, they DO NOT REQUIRE MEDICAL INTEVENTION therefore are not cases. as used to be the form before this year and would never have been reported, would never have been known about, if tests were not being taken. So scam, scam, scam.

297383 ▶▶ Leemc23, replying to Tenchy, 10, #1269 of 1863 🔗

Second response. “Heading towards disaster”. Already been past that son shine. We are a hundred miles south of totally fucked and still driving. Quite frankly. It’s already too late. And if you want to live in a state controlled paradise piss off the China.

297965 ▶▶▶ Jo Dominich -, replying to Leemc23, #1270 of 1863 🔗

Well China is looking one hell of a lot more attractive than the UK right now. Even North Korea is.

297384 ▶▶ Noumenon, replying to Tenchy, 11, #1271 of 1863 🔗

I thought we’d spent the last 25 years insulating homes to prevent the disaster of global warming? Now we are supposed to pay people to heat homes with the windows open in the dead of winter when we are 10 years off global extinction time?

297405 ▶▶▶ Rob Tyson, replying to Noumenon, 2, #1272 of 1863 🔗

Interestingly David King was previously a massive climate change scaremonger too

297608 ▶▶▶▶ Gavroche, replying to Rob Tyson, #1273 of 1863 🔗

He was also Chief Scientific Officer at the time of foot & mouth, another occasion on which public policy was led by youknowho’s frightfully clever modelling.

297737 ▶▶▶▶ Sophie123, replying to Rob Tyson, #1274 of 1863 🔗

Having heard him on the radio, I suspect he is senile

297542 ▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Noumenon, #1275 of 1863 🔗

That had occurred to me too.

297388 ▶▶ Liam, replying to Tenchy, 13, #1276 of 1863 🔗

Frankly I just want these people tied up in sacks full of starving rats now.

297554 ▶▶▶ calchas, replying to Liam, 1, #1277 of 1863 🔗

I am not sure that rats like covidian flesh.

297414 ▶▶ Will, replying to Tenchy, 5, #1278 of 1863 🔗

King is a c u next Tuesday. He should have gone to prison for his part in the Foot and Mouth horror shoe.

297460 ▶▶ Nic, replying to Tenchy, 2, #1279 of 1863 🔗

There barking fucking mad , the lot of em, sometimes wonder if they r taking the piss

297475 ▶▶▶ CGL, replying to Nic, 2, #1280 of 1863 🔗

They R taking the piss with the R

297967 ▶▶▶ Jo Dominich -, replying to Nic, #1281 of 1863 🔗

They are Nic.

297479 ▶▶ RickH, replying to Tenchy, 9, #1282 of 1863 🔗

Professor Stephen Reicher, of the University of St Andrews, said: “ Right now we are heading towards disaster.””

You have to be pretty thick not to recognize that what we have now is a f.ing ‘ disaster’. The words ‘Stupid Twat’ come to mind.

297591 ▶▶ A. Contrarian, replying to Tenchy, #1283 of 1863 🔗

The bloody risks of mixing indoors have been highlighted endlessly over the last 9 months, it’s been illegal in most parts of the country for most of that time FFS. It’s been highlighted to within an inch of its life.

297321 kh1485, replying to kh1485, 10, #1284 of 1863 🔗

Carl Vernon on the Chinese Aviation Authority suggesting that airline staff wear nappies rather than use the toilet. Just when you thought …


297325 ▶▶ Tenchy, replying to kh1485, 8, #1285 of 1863 🔗

Yep. Still not reached peak stupidity.

297364 ▶▶▶ Tom in Scotland, replying to Tenchy, 8, #1286 of 1863 🔗

I strongly suspect that people (well, not humans but ‘Covidians’) are wearing those ‘adult diapers’ now, not due to a problem with incontinence, but out of fear of the Rona and using public facilities when they are out (if they dare). Yes, peak stupidity is still a long way off.

297371 ▶▶▶▶ DRW, replying to Tom in Scotland, 10, #1287 of 1863 🔗

We’re bascially in perpetual idiocracy now.

297428 ▶▶▶▶▶ Tom in Scotland, replying to DRW, 6, #1288 of 1863 🔗

Yes, ‘idiocracy’ is about right. It’s interesting that those who oppose democracy and call for technocracy or something similarly authoritarian are likely to get something more like an idiocracy. Democracy has its shortcomings, but one attribute (sadly deficient now) is scrutiny, which you will not have in a technocracy.

297587 ▶▶▶▶ Edward, replying to Tom in Scotland, #1289 of 1863 🔗

But – excuse the crudity – if you do a shit in your nappy it’s not going to be very pleasant for yourself and those around you. Or are they only for pissing?

297443 ▶▶ annie, replying to kh1485, 3, #1290 of 1863 🔗

Do you want to be served by cabin crew wearing soiled nappies?

297451 ▶▶▶ Liam, replying to annie, 8, #1291 of 1863 🔗

If it saves one life…,

297586 ▶▶▶ A. Contrarian, replying to annie, #1292 of 1863 🔗

Good point – where do they go to change them? Let me guess – the toilets. Or do they have to walk around in a sh*t-filled nappy for hours on end?

297353 stefarm, replying to stefarm, 18, #1293 of 1863 🔗

Sitting in the supermarket putting the world to rights we reflected on how depressing the shop looked, no Xmas carols or wham being played (which normally get on my tits), no decorations, no laughing and smiling, no excitement and anticipation.

Depressed people shuffling about.

297440 ▶▶ annie, replying to stefarm, 12, #1294 of 1863 🔗

Not people.
Just shop and get out of there.
I don’t even go in. I click snd collect.The relief is colossal.

297536 ▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to stefarm, 2, #1295 of 1863 🔗

Sitting? Which supermarket please?
My friend met up with an octogenarian friend this week. There was nowhere inside they could sit and chat, except the bus station – which had the added benefit of open toilets! No heating though, so she got cold through.

297356 Ben, replying to Ben, 15, #1296 of 1863 🔗
297369 ▶▶ Lucan Grey, replying to Ben, 10, #1297 of 1863 🔗

What he forgot, is that isn’t how the British system works. This is not the United States. Prior to our 40 year infection by the EU, Judicial Review was practically unheard of – because what Parliament passed is what the Judiciary upheld.

The court of change is Parliament. It is there where change has to implemented – particularly now we are free of the EU. That is what has to be appealed to.

What we need now, more than at any time, is to elect better politicians.

297373 ▶▶▶ Noumenon, replying to Lucan Grey, 9, #1298 of 1863 🔗

We haven’t got 4 years…

297416 ▶▶▶▶ T. Prince, replying to Noumenon, 8, #1299 of 1863 🔗

We haven’t got any better politicians

297381 ▶▶▶ Bella, replying to Lucan Grey, 4, #1300 of 1863 🔗

We can’t elect them unless they stand. Seems to be a job for ‘stupid’ at the moment.

297514 ▶▶▶▶ IanE, replying to Bella, 1, #1301 of 1863 🔗

R’s-lickers only need apply. I am reminded of Churchill’s take on prospective MPs: they are asked to stand, hope to sit and are expected to lie. Plus ca change!

297403 ▶▶▶ Will, replying to Lucan Grey, 1, #1302 of 1863 🔗

In which case we need to pay them more. Controversial I know, but an MPs salary means corruption and conflict of interest is inevitable. Pay more, make them work 48 weeks a year 8-5 Monday to Friday and make a lot more of it remote working so MPs actually live in the constituencies they represent. None of that will happen so we will continue to see corrupt half wits and chancers leading us from one disaster to the next.

297472 ▶▶▶▶ RickH, replying to Will, 2, #1303 of 1863 🔗

I don’t think so. Given a reasonable level of remuneration, money as the key incentive just encourages money-grabbers – not honesty.

297526 ▶▶▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to RickH, 1, #1304 of 1863 🔗

Mine’s received the best part of £100k this year to do pathetically little – though he does at least live in his constituency and is regularly in the HofC.

297957 ▶▶▶▶▶ Jo Dominich -, replying to RickH, #1305 of 1863 🔗

I agree, the majoirty of Tory MPs in this Government (not all because Sir Charles Walker, Sir Graham Brady et al are not in this league) are only in politics it would seem to feather their own financial interests and use their MP status to achieve this. One thing I know for sure, MPs should not be allowed to run their own business, have other jobs or enjoy the kind of corrupt expenses they are able to misuse (5 homes Jenrick taking £1000 a month to renovate his pile of bricks in Hertfordshire). If they are elected MPs no other vested interests should be allowed. They are paid to act for the Nation not for themselves. Until this changes, nothing will. We are living through now the most corrupt Government in UK Parliamentary History, the cronyism, allocation of contracts to friends and Party donors etc. They should be paid £60,000 a year, no m ore than £5000 per year in expenses allowed and subjected to far higher standards of scrutiny for their actions and conduct.

298063 ▶▶▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to RickH, #1306 of 1863 🔗

Agree – we should just ensure they are all properly frightened.

297509 ▶▶▶ IanE, replying to Lucan Grey, 1, #1307 of 1863 🔗

But, the 64,000$ question is, where do we find better politicians? I haven’t come across any since Mrs T and some of her crew!

297960 ▶▶▶▶ Jo Dominich -, replying to IanE, #1308 of 1863 🔗

There are good politicians currently in Parliament and I know I’m going to get condemnation here but Jeremy Corbyn is a decent, honest, serious minded politician who would never be awarding contracts to his cronys and friends if he were currently PM. There are good and serious minded MPs in the current Labour Party until of course, Stalin Starmer suspends or sacks them for being left wing or merely social democrats. There are the likes of Sir Graham Brady, Sir Charles Walker, Sir Desmond Swayne and others. We just need more politicians of their ilk but today, it seems that in the Tory Party at least, the shit really has risen to the top.

297520 ▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Lucan Grey, #1309 of 1863 🔗

Appeal to Parliament?
What Parliament??

297545 ▶▶▶ calchas, replying to Lucan Grey, 1, #1310 of 1863 🔗

They are all in it together.

297547 ▶▶▶ calchas, replying to Lucan Grey, 1, #1311 of 1863 🔗

Our political system has . in this crisis – completely discredited itself, like all other institutions.

It is finished.

297387 ▶▶ Leemc23, replying to Ben, 11, #1312 of 1863 🔗

Nothing but praise for Simon Dolan. He tries. If they refuse to answer this question, then keep on asking another question, one day something will stick and the house of cards will fall.

Imagine being Gerry Conlon banged up for 16 years, in the end the right question was asked and the cards fell. While one man’s struggle against a system that was flawed is not a direct comparison here, it is an example of how long it can take to fight back. But in the end you can win.

The court system heard the begum case and scheduled it quickly, yet they refused Dolan’s case refusing it a hearing entirely.

297469 ▶▶▶ CGL, replying to Leemc23, 4, #1313 of 1863 🔗

Please God don’t let it take that long!

297513 ▶▶▶▶ Leemc23, replying to CGL, 2, #1314 of 1863 🔗

I know 🙁

297385 Leemc23, replying to Leemc23, 26, #1315 of 1863 🔗

No. Ifs buts or maybes. Every behavioural scientist must be arrested and prosecuted and hanged for crimes against humanity. Despicable that the UK government ever (ever!) thought employing such a unit against their own citizens was valid.

297950 ▶▶ Jo Dominich -, replying to Leemc23, #1316 of 1863 🔗

There will be legal cases which the public will win on this one. We need to act in groups of people.

297389 godowneasy, replying to godowneasy, 3, #1317 of 1863 🔗

Can anyone explain why, three days after Pfizer’s V-Day UK launch and initial share price increases, it is now looking like it is in significant decline? Image left is the one-day view, image right is the five day view. Shouldn’t it be going up? NB I’m not an expert in stock markets – this may be nothing.

297406 ▶▶ Cecil B, replying to godowneasy, 9, #1318 of 1863 🔗

The inside traders will have access to confidential information and will be selling off their shares

A good indication it’s going tits up. Only those in the know will get out early with a profit

Expect ‘bad’ news next week

297415 ▶▶▶ godowneasy, replying to Cecil B, 1, #1319 of 1863 🔗

Hmm – let’s see if that’s right. I’ll keep an eye on it.

297944 ▶▶▶ Jo Dominich -, replying to Cecil B, #1320 of 1863 🔗

I’d hazard a guess that the FDA are not going to licence it either yet or for the long-term. They are not going to licence the Oxford/AstraZeneca vaccine. We must look pretty damned stupid to the rest of the world.

297583 ▶▶ A. Contrarian, replying to godowneasy, 3, #1321 of 1863 🔗

It’s been very quiet in the news since V-day, good old William Shakespeare and the anaphylaxis scare.

A bit like Hancock’s world-beating app after the first few days, really.

297623 ▶▶▶ Ceriain, replying to A. Contrarian, 1, #1322 of 1863 🔗

Yes, hasn’t it just. Par for the course with this lot.

297946 ▶▶▶ Jo Dominich -, replying to A. Contrarian, 1, #1323 of 1863 🔗

I am convinced, and becoming ever more so, that once a No Deal Brexit is announced on Sunday amongst much propaganda, fanfare and how great this is for the UK, that much of this CV-19 shit will gently slide away.

297956 ▶▶▶▶ A. Contrarian, replying to Jo Dominich -, #1324 of 1863 🔗

Please, please be right…

297717 ▶▶ Sophie123, replying to godowneasy, #1325 of 1863 🔗

Former pharma equities analyst here. I would not read too much into it. You will see stock prices react from trading desks short term, but fundamentally most long term investors see little value from COVID vaccines. They (Investors) are Ultimately data driven and expect a pandemic to crap out in a couple of years because that is what usually happens. The NPV on even a couple of billion of sales near term is not much vs PFE market cap.
So price goes up on sentiment and retail investors, bit of momentum machine driven trading. And then your big holders will take some profits and trim their positions. Price goes down.

297391 Darryl, replying to Darryl, 9, #1326 of 1863 🔗

How many examples of officials putting their masks on just to go on stage do people need to see before the acknowledge they are being scammed?


Even the BBC ‘misinformation correspondent’ who harasses lockdown sceptics must see the stupidity.

297439 ▶▶ Ben, replying to Darryl, 7, #1327 of 1863 🔗

I’ve seen videos of politicians joking and privately acknowledging how face masks are a scam whilst they’ve been off camera in TV studios. Shows what fascists they are

297471 ▶▶ Two-Six, replying to Darryl, 5, #1328 of 1863 🔗

blimey. just for the looks, nothing to do with stopping the covids. bastards.

297632 ▶▶ Banjones, replying to Darryl, #1329 of 1863 🔗

Yes – isn’t it just the most insulting thing? They drag on their muzzle, trot to centre stage, then tug it off.
Even worse, though, is people speaking into microphones, all on their own in a large space, muzzled to the eyeballs – no expression, no lip movement, eyes blank and staring, and difficult to understand as we’re used to watching faces when we’re being spoken to..
Just what the masters ordered.

297392 Awkward Git, replying to Awkward Git, 42, #1330 of 1863 🔗

Mrs Awkward had a bad experience at her first visit to a hit salon since August clearly wearing her exemption badge and then making it clear to the staff she could not hear them through a mask and visor and they got really arsey with her.

She came out in tears and shaking after 10 mins so a shitagram sent to the group’s head office with the main paragraph being:

If your staff are that scared of contracting “coronavirus” because neither they nor your company can be bothered to actually do their own research and to find out the facts then it is better that they stay at home in fear as there is no reason why my wife should be subjected to this unlawful abuse nor why our enjoyment and freedoms should end when your staff’s unfounded fears begin as they have been subjected to months of bombardment of psychological propaganda from the Government that you as a company nor them as individuals has questioned.

Fuck ’em big time.

Only person allowed to upset my wife and make her cry is me and even then I’ve never done it deliberately and when it’s happen inadvertently I don’t get away with it.

297436 ▶▶ annie, replying to Awkward Git, 12, #1331 of 1863 🔗

Sock it to ’em, AG.
Commiserations to Mrs. Remember:you are human, they are zombies, and whatever they do doesn’t count. Leave them to rot.

297465 ▶▶ CGL, replying to Awkward Git, 10, #1332 of 1863 🔗

Sorry for Mrs AG. I had to go to the hairdressers yesterday finally too – it couldn’t be put off any longer. I was asked to put my mask on at the door, which under duress I did – but stated that I don’t normally wear one and wasn’t happy about it. Had to fill in a form instead of signing in with ‘the app’! Again told them I don’t do T&T. They went to take me to a chair near the door with a great big mirror in front of it, and this was where I had to draw the line – I was not prepared to sit and look at myself (and her) in the evil piece of rag for however long it took. So I asked if they had anywhere I could go without a mirror. They took me to the ‘vulnerable’ room in the back of the salon, and removed the mirror from the table in there.
I got out as quick as I could. They weren’t rude, but what used to be a bit of a treat, it is now a nasty awful experience that I will only go to when I really have to.

297534 ▶▶▶ MiriamW-sometimes-AlanG, replying to CGL, 10, #1333 of 1863 🔗

I would simply have walked out. I sacked my former hairdresser because the salon was so unsympathetic with my non-mask wearing. I had one appointment in which I was treated like a leper. The owner was petrified that I’d terrify his one other customer who was sitting about 16 feet away!

He then rang me up about my next appointment and it was obvious that he did not want me to keep it as he kept saying that masks for customers were now ‘mandatory’. I told him that not for exempt people they weren’t but I cancelled the appointment anyway. Who would want to give such people good money?

I now go to another one who gives us a double appointment, anyone not wearing a mask is presumed exempt and the hairdresser is a total sceptic and a good laugh. She is also miles cheaper – no contest.

Try shopping around – better alternatives do exist! MW

297544 ▶▶▶▶ calchas, replying to MiriamW-sometimes-AlanG, #1334 of 1863 🔗

I haven’t been to tha barbers’ since the beginning of March.

I will carry on until it becomes bloody impossible, then shave it all off and start growing it aain.

297751 ▶▶▶▶▶ CGL, replying to calchas, 1, #1335 of 1863 🔗

Not an option for me, not being male. 🙂
I used to always take time to do my hair, but can’t be bothered any more.

297748 ▶▶▶▶ CGL, replying to MiriamW-sometimes-AlanG, 1, #1336 of 1863 🔗

It just needed doing at this point – I work and so can’t travel too far as a result. I have no idea how to find a muzzle free one around here. I don’t think there are any.

297940 ▶▶▶ Jo Dominich -, replying to CGL, #1337 of 1863 🔗

I currently look like a mad batty old lady! I have been cutting my own hair since Lockdown so thankfully, don’t have to put up with what Mrs AG did.

297481 ▶▶ arfurmo, replying to Awkward Git, 1, #1338 of 1863 🔗

What’s a “hit” salon, please?

297505 ▶▶▶ IanE, replying to arfurmo, #1339 of 1863 🔗

Hair salon I assumed!?

297581 ▶▶▶ Chris John, replying to arfurmo, #1340 of 1863 🔗

Shit loan when I run it through the word maker

297497 ▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Awkward Git, 1, #1341 of 1863 🔗

Sorry to hear about her crappy experience. I think I’ll stick with my mockdown locks.

297523 ▶▶▶ Two-Six, replying to Cheezilla, #1342 of 1863 🔗

Yer dreadlocks are the future for you ladies.

297579 ▶▶ Chris John, replying to Awkward Git, 2, #1343 of 1863 🔗

Fuck ‘em. Fuck ‘em,BIG TIME

297939 ▶▶ Jo Dominich -, replying to Awkward Git, #1344 of 1863 🔗

These people are just sanctimonious petty little Hitlers. Anyone would think the plague or cholera was out there! I hope Mrs Awkward G’s spirits are still in good order and high! Right now I’m going through what I call a ‘Jehova’ moment. You know, that scene from the Life of Brian where an elderly man dressed in nothing but loin cloth and in handcuffs is facing a crowd who are intent on stoning him. His crime? To say ‘Jehovah!’. John Cleese, struggling to implement authority in the crowd and with the elderly man, is reading from a scroll saying pompously “Anyone who says Jehovah once more will be stoned to death!!”. With that, the old man starts jumping and kicking his legs in the air left and right shouting Jehovah, Jehovah! Whereupon John Cleese, close to apoplexy is reduced to threats. The crowd are getting restless. The old man keeps kicking his legs in the air shouting Jehovah! Jehovah! in defiance of them all. That’s me at the moment, every stupid restriction or advice issued I strive to breach at every opportunity whilst dancing and shouting “Jehovah! Jehovah!”. Childish I know. It gets me motivated to fight the good fight.

297409 Andrew K, 4, #1345 of 1863 🔗

Claire Craig working with Mike Yeadon, more scandemic evidence.

297426 Cheezilla, replying to Cheezilla, 10, #1346 of 1863 🔗

Reminder of the events this coming weekend.

Saturday 12th December:
Belfast – 2pm – City Hall
Brighton – 12pm – Peace Statue, Hove Lawns – Speaker: Louise from SOR (SOR/SUX)
Bristol – 12pm – College Green
Bournemouth – 1pm – Town Hall (SUX)
Holyrood to Bute House – 12pm
London Hyde Park – 12pm – Speakers Corner
Manchester – 1pm – Piccadilly Gardens – Speaker: Vincent from SOR
Newport – 1pm – Civic Centre
Norwich – 1pm – Chapelfield Gardens (SUX)
Sheffield – 12pm – Town Hall Peace Gardens (SUX)
York (Information stand/Not a protest) – 12pm – 2pm – St Sampsons Square – Weather permitting (Free Nation)

 Sunday 13th December:
Canterbury – 1pm – Dane John Gardens (by bandstand)
Chichester -1pm – Chichester Assembly Rooms
Nottingham – 1pm – Forest Recreation Ground, Forest Field – Speakers include: Piers Corbyn and Vincent SOR

All are subject to change.
Please check with individual organisers for more information.
(Individual organisers are in brackets.)
For latest updates please go to the Telegram group ‘Protest Everywhere.’
Please be safe and know what your rights are when attending events.
So please ensure that you are up to date with ever changing legislation and how that may personally affect you.

297467 ▶▶ CGL, replying to Cheezilla, 5, #1347 of 1863 🔗

Is it just me? This list does seem to be getting longer?

297487 ▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to CGL, 2, #1348 of 1863 🔗

It’s longer.
Some, like the Sheffield one are weekly events.
Do check them out.

297602 ▶▶▶▶ Bella, replying to Cheezilla, #1349 of 1863 🔗
297474 ▶▶ Liz F, replying to Cheezilla, 4, #1350 of 1863 🔗

Really encouraging to see so many events, thanks for the update. We need these protests “now, more than ever” to coin an annoyingly popular phrase.

297932 ▶▶ Jo Dominich -, replying to Cheezilla, #1351 of 1863 🔗

Thanks Cheezilla. This is really helpful.

297431 Jay Berger, replying to Jay Berger, 3, #1352 of 1863 🔗

99% of U.S. Population Would Not Benefit From Mass Vaccination With Pfizer’s RNA Covid-19 Vaccine – LewRockwell

A detailed trial data review and calculations reg the Pfizer vaccine.
Besides the calculated uselessness, I can see 2 problems with the trials that could have skewed efficiency in case a) and questions it completely, even suggesting the opposite, in case of b), where Covid was diagnosed on the basis of symptoms rather than a PCR test!

a)” Obesity is a strong risk factor for COVID-19 infection.  Only 3 (37.5%) were obese in the vaccine group and 67 (41.4%) in the placebo group.”

b)”There were 3410 total cases of “suspected” but unconfirmed COVID-19 by PCR test in the overall study population; 1594 occurred in the vaccine group (8.2%) among ~19,500+ vaccinated subjects vs. 1816 (~9.3%) among ~19,500 placebo-treated participants. This reveals there was very little relative difference (1.1%) between vaccinated and unvaccinated groups when evaluated by symptomology.
Within 7 days after any vaccination, suspected COVID-19 cases as determined by symptomology were 409 in the vaccine group vs. 287 in the placebo group.  There was a small favorable reduction in symptoms in the placebo group compared to the vaccinated group in this immediate post-inoculation period.  (409 among 19,500 vaccinated = 2.0% vs. 287 among 19,500 unvaccinated group = 1.5%).”

297445 ▶▶ Ben, replying to Jay Berger, 3, #1353 of 1863 🔗

Pfizer shareholders would benefit though

297482 ▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Jay Berger, #1354 of 1863 🔗

Can someone explain these percentages?

Among 18,804 vaccinated subjects ….
Among 18,892 patients receiving placebo …..
… Only 3 (37.5%) were obese in the vaccine group and 67 (41.4%) in the placebo group.


297492 ▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Cheezilla, #1355 of 1863 🔗


297566 ▶▶▶▶ Mayo, replying to Cheezilla, 1, #1356 of 1863 🔗

Sorry – you’ve already responded to yourself.

297564 ▶▶▶ Mayo, replying to Cheezilla, 2, #1357 of 1863 🔗

It looks like percentages of those who became infected

1/ Vaccine – 3 out of 8 = 37.5%
2/ Placebo – 41 out of 162 = 41.4%

297433 swedenborg, replying to swedenborg, 24, #1358 of 1863 🔗

A very important decision by the Italian Supreme Court. It is the doctor in charge of the patient which has the right to use any treatment he/she thinks is appropriate. It is not for the state to dictate that. The forceful decision is quoted in accompanying attached picture. This should really be the self- evident that this should always be the case.
This is even more important now that we have an even more effective drug,Ivermectin, to be used in all stages of C-19 diseases. The government/MS/BBC together with Big Pharma will do the same thing to stop this drug with state edicts stopping its use outside trials etc. https://twitter.com/Covid19Crusher/status/1337417547227029508

 The Italian Supreme Court has reestablished the right of Italian MDs to prescribe hydroxychloroquine, suspended right after the publication of the fraudulent scaremongering Lancet study. How many lives unnecessarily lost?

297494 ▶▶ Zak Thelotofem, replying to swedenborg, 4, #1359 of 1863 🔗

Very important, the wilful obstruction of treatments proven to be therapeutic has been downright scandalous

297441 Ben, replying to Ben, 5, #1360 of 1863 🔗

Neil Clark Twitter thread investigates the possibility that this has really been a PLAN-demic all along


297457 ▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Ben, 3, #1361 of 1863 🔗

In a nutshell!

297442 Steve Martindale, replying to Steve Martindale, 6, #1362 of 1863 🔗

For anyone who missed the earlier post on this; our attempt to put up a Face Mask petition was rejected. One reason is that there is an existing petition, started back in July but which is still live until 16 Jan 2021. As the review of the English fask mask regs is in January and as this existing petition already had 3704 signatures the suggestion is that, although it is not perfectly worded, we try and see if we can drum up some support for this existing petition in order to signal our concern prior to the January review.
I am pleased to say that since posting about this earlier, the total number who have signed this has gone up from 3704 to 3766, my thanks to all who have signed today. You can see this petition and sign up at;

297713 ▶▶ Monty Bodkin, replying to Steve Martindale, #1363 of 1863 🔗


297926 ▶▶ Jo Dominich -, replying to Steve Martindale, #1364 of 1863 🔗

Signed. Worthwhile trying.

297450 Cheezilla, replying to Cheezilla, 2, #1365 of 1863 🔗

I wondered why the vote was to be on Monday! The Nazi’s used astrology to pinpoint auspicious dates.

Monday’s a big one: …. there is an unusual solar eclipse in Scorpio on 14 th followed by the conjunction of Jupiter and Saturn, said to be the great reset for the world…..

…. on 12 th December, Mercury, the planet of communication, will conjoin Ketu, which represents past issues, wisdom and knowledge arising from experience ….

More here: https://oraclelife.co.uk/2020/12/11/scorpio-intensity-and-change/?fbclid=IwAR3kJqix7tfm-QSTH8Fm3Bpc5PWpP2041B1K7h654L34R1qrYBBot8W8qWw

297519 ▶▶ LS99, replying to Cheezilla, 5, #1366 of 1863 🔗

Right now, I’m just so looking forward to Saturn and Jupiter moving away from Pluto and into Aquarius – how that will play out is hard to tell (astrologers have different views but most see it as positive but may be not immediately) … one thing is for sure, 2021 will be different! The tense square between Uranus in Taurus and Saturn in Aquarius is bound to mean much more push back from the individual wanting freedom. To everyone here despairing at the lack of push back …. don’t give up, next year is set to be another tumultuous year but very different from this year.

This eclipse is right on two key points in my own personal birth chart …. intense times indeed.

And to anyone who thinks it’s all a load of hogwash … no problem at all, you don’t know what you’re missing!

297531 ▶▶▶ Melangell, replying to LS99, 2, #1367 of 1863 🔗

As Sir Isaac Newton said in regards to Astrology, “I, sir, have studied the subject. You have not!”

297527 ▶▶ Melangell, replying to Cheezilla, 1, #1368 of 1863 🔗

This looks like an interpretation from a Vedic astrologer…in Western astrology, the great Jupiter-Saturn conjunction won’t take place until December 21st.

297692 ▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Melangell, #1369 of 1863 🔗

Yes. She’s a Jyotisher.
This is just about Monday’s eclipse, she doesn’t mean that the conjunction will follow immediately.


Significant that Mercury is conjunct Ketu on 13th December.
Mercury enters the Gandanta on 15th December and the vote is in the middle and on an eclipse. Interesting times!

297458 John P, 4, #1370 of 1863 🔗

Forum against the mass PCR testing of children. Intelligent sceptics are asked post a statement in opposition :


297459 Cecil B, replying to Cecil B, 15, #1371 of 1863 🔗

Regarding the Dolan Appeal

The politicians make the law. The judges interpret the law

The judges may argue (with some justification) that you/me elected the politicians, therefore these are the laws you and I asked for

The judges will say if you don’t like the laws the politicians make on your behalf get rid of them at the next election

The pig dictator was stupid enough to paint himself into a corner at the start of this by imposing restrictions. If he relaxes the restrictions ‘they’ Piers et al will scream granny killer at him

I suspect the pig dictator was secretly praying that Dolan had won. That would have let the pig dictator off the hook. The judges saw through that and declined not to take the covid baby from the pig dictator. ‘You created this problem you sort it’

My take will be that the wheel will come off when someone like an airline or hospitality sues the government

There are some extremely bright QC’s out there that will rip the science and policy to shreds. The false positive PCR test being the obvious example

Not over by a long chalk

297480 ▶▶ Ovis, replying to Cecil B, 1, #1372 of 1863 🔗

On what grounds could any company sue? Anything done in the name of Covid is legal and reasonable. That is the implication.

297662 ▶▶▶ Cranmer, replying to Ovis, 1, #1373 of 1863 🔗

That PCR Claims company has started taking on cases of people whose lives and businesses have been affected by lockdowns. It will be interesting to see what happens – I suspect it will be crushed in some way because the government can’t risk lots of anti-lockdown cases getting into the courts.

297495 ▶▶ mhcp, replying to Cecil B, 8, #1374 of 1863 🔗

I think you’re right though they had no problems approving Gina Miller’s suit or in telling parliament about how it can prorouge.

I think it is a hot potato that they didn’t want to touch precisely due to the backlash of those cases.

Which is sad as we have no means apart from civil disobedience to thrwart the guidelines and measures.

If that’s what it will take then that’s what will happen.

297549 ▶▶▶ RickH, replying to mhcp, 4, #1375 of 1863 🔗

Good insight. Sad that they’ve not got more independent confidence. Notice who have retired from the bench.

We desperately need an unafraid, independent judiciary, given that the media is a totally lost cause.

297921 ▶▶▶▶ Jo Dominich -, replying to RickH, #1376 of 1863 🔗

There will be one JR that hits home and I think it might be the one filed by the Night TIme Industry Association and also, the one by the Good Law Project about issue of Government contracts.

297923 ▶▶▶▶ Jo Dominich -, replying to RickH, #1377 of 1863 🔗

Also, forgot to say, but may be the cases should be focussed on how the Government, who has not yet declared a State of Emergency are misusing emergency powers which have not been scrutinised or put before Parliament. They have definitely over-reached as there is no pandemic and there is no state of emergency other than a grossly incompetent unfit for purpose NHS. They are by passing Parliamentary Scrutiny by using Statutory Instruments to grab the power. This is most definitely a worthwhile legal challenge.

297612 ▶▶ Wolver, replying to Cecil B, 1, #1378 of 1863 🔗

Companies agreed to all this everything was set out as guidelines. By implementing those guidelines all the companies willingly aggreed. They all should have banded together at the start of this and not closed.

297916 ▶▶ Jo Dominich -, replying to Cecil B, #1379 of 1863 🔗

The hospitality industry has already filed Judicial Review action currently issued a Letter Before Action on the Government.

297461 Old Bill, replying to Old Bill, 19, #1380 of 1863 🔗

Have you ever thought why the covidians love their face rags so much? The following explanation struck me recently.

If the poor dears accidentally sneezed whilst out and about, it is perfectly possible that their entire brain would be expelled through one or other of their nostrils like a pea from a pea shooter.

If they are wearing their face nappy, it will be caught and can easily by snorted back in place again (I am sure they are all coke heads, so the technique will be well known to them).

Of course, actually losing their brain wouldn’t make a whole lot of difference to their lives, but they could forget how to tune in the BBC for their daily dose of death porn and I am sure that would cause great consternation to them.

297489 ▶▶ Marialta, replying to Old Bill, #1381 of 1863 🔗

Great post

297538 ▶▶ calchas, replying to Old Bill, 2, #1382 of 1863 🔗

True, true!

My take is that covidians by their nature tend to be timid and asocial conformists, who have never been at ease with humans, so that the chance to wear a rag across their faces is greeted by them with a kind of relief rather than the frustration that we feel.

297543 ▶▶▶ RickH, replying to calchas, 1, #1383 of 1863 🔗

Don’t indulge in pointless generalisations. This is too serious.

297580 ▶▶▶ A. Contrarian, replying to calchas, 3, #1384 of 1863 🔗

I’m timid/shy/socially anxious or whatever term is considered to be politically correct these days. But I’ve never been susceptible to peer pressure or blindly followed the crowd.

297462 Sarigan, replying to Sarigan, 8, #1385 of 1863 🔗

The Canaries came off the travel corridor. This usually goes hand in hand with the FCDO changing advice to all but essential travel. They are not changing that advice.

What does this mean? It means that holiday companies and airlines are under no obligation to refund customers and insurance companies are under no obligation to pay out? It will be down to the discretion of the airlines/hotels and tour operators if they will refund, offer credit or rebook different dates. This is an absolute shitstorm in the making.

297496 ▶▶ IanE, replying to Sarigan, 4, #1386 of 1863 🔗

Yep – the government looking for yet more ways to discourage anyone from booking foreign travel. What a Carrie on!

297516 ▶▶▶ Sarigan, replying to IanE, 9, #1387 of 1863 🔗

You would almost think it was a deliberate destruction of the sector!!

The travel industry in England has been thrown under the bus and then run over by a passing steam roller. Australia have provided a $28M package. Scotland have provided a £5M package for agents. Here? Nothing, nada, nichts.

297906 ▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to IanE, #1388 of 1863 🔗

I think you’ve missed the point about the further damage to the travel industry.

297630 ▶▶ swedenborg, replying to Sarigan, 1, #1389 of 1863 🔗


Difficult to undertstand.On page 4 one can see that the positivity rate of tests is one of the lowest in Spain.But the local gov. is stupid doing PCR tests instead of antigen test like Madrid that uses antigen test more than PCR tests and has dropping “cases”.

297473 Melangell, replying to Melangell, 21, #1390 of 1863 🔗

So…desperate to find some original seasonal wishes to write in my Christmas/Solstice/Yule/Whatever cards this year, I just came across the following vomit-inducing list I thought you all might like:

Christmas Card Messages & Wishes for 2020
Many of us have had a difficult year this year with illness, loss, uncertain employment, and isolation due to COVID-19. With that in mind, here are some Christmas card messages you could use as a starting point to write your own notes of encouragement to friends and family this Christmas season.

Sending you all our love and merry Christmas wishes. We might be apart today, but you’re always in our heart. Take care and stay safe in these uncertain times. We miss you!

New Year? Yes please! Here’s to better times ahead for us all! Wishing you a very happy Christmas and a safe and healthy 2021.

From our bubble to yours, we wish you a very Merry Christmas and a happy holiday season! Stay safe and take care.

Merry Christmas! We’re so sorry you’ve been ill and hope you are feeling stronger and better every day. May this holiday season be a time of rest as you recover, and the New Year full of hope for better days ahead.

This Christmas card is packed full of virus-free hugs and kisses just for you! We hope you have a very Merry Christmas despite this lockdown, and that we can see you again soon. Until then, cheers to you from afar for your good health and happiness!

May the magic of the Christmas season fill your home with joy and peace. Sending lots of love to your family, and looking forward to the day we can see you again. Take care of yourselves and stay safe.

We are so grateful for all the sacrifices that you have made this year to support and serve others. May this Christmas be a time for you to rest and recover, and to reflect on all that you have achieved. Sending all our love to you this holiday season, and our prayers for a safe New Year.

Merry Christmas! We might be separated today, but we are still raising a glass to your good health and happiness from afar. It’s certainly not the Christmas holidays we imagined, but we do hope that we can have a belated family gathering in the New Year. Or who knows, maybe Christmas in July! Until then, may you keep strong, stay safe, and take care of yourselves. We miss you!

Wishing you a very joyful Christmas and holiday season despite these difficult times. We really wish things were different and that we could visit you! We hope that the New Year brings your family much happiness and prosperity, and that in time the world will be a safe place again. Take care of yourselves and see you on Zoom soon!

We want you to know that you are in our thoughts and prayers every day as we remember [name] and miss him terribly. We know this Christmas season will be very difficult, and we wish we could gather around you in person to support you more. We are sending all our love from afar, and if there is anything you need please let us know.

Sending all our love to your family this Christmas. We know that this past year has full of challenges, and we pray that the coming year brings more certain times for your family. Sending all our love and good wishes for better days ahead.

Merry Christmas dear friend! 2020 has been the year of learning new skills (bread making, baking, knitting, yoga at home…), and you’ve really inspired me with your creativity and drive to make the most of lockdown! But in the midst of all that, I know it hasn’t been an easy time for you. I hope you can stay strong and keep safe over the holidays, and that the New Year brings more certain times ahead. I can’t wait to see you in person once these crazy days are over. I miss you so very much!

We wish you a very happy Christmas and holiday season. We know that this past year has been very difficult for you, and we pray that the coming year brings more certain times for your family. Sending all our love and good wishes for better days ahead.


297491 ▶▶ IanE, replying to Melangell, 3, #1391 of 1863 🔗

Yikes – needs a whole septic tank!

297503 ▶▶ MiriamW-sometimes-AlanG, replying to Melangell, 6, #1392 of 1863 🔗


We’ve had a couple of those ghastly Christmas newsletters so far. With the latest, from the Isle of Man, I got as far as ‘ We had 369 cases and just 25 deaths but it’s not all bad news’. I gave up in despair at that point.

If anyone saw my post about the house with the neon ‘NHS’ and a flashing red heart, when we walked past this morning, the grotesque blow-up snowman they’ve got over the porch was bearing a hand-written sign: ‘Some sad thief stole our wreath’. We wondered if that suggests that not all their neighbours are in sympathy and that maybe ‘NHS’ and the heart could be the next to go. In hope. . . MW

297522 ▶▶▶ Melangell, replying to MiriamW-sometimes-AlanG, 10, #1393 of 1863 🔗

I’ve been waiting for the right moment to ‘liberate’ 2 hefty wooden rainbow signs saying ‘diolch’ to the NHS a mile up the lane from where I live in West Wales. Trouble is, they are tightly screwed on to posts on the wall in front of their house. I have got the right screwdriver ready to go but it ain’t going to be easy. Plus I’d be easily identifiable by any passing car unless I wear a black hoodie and jeans, mask and balaclava…and I’m already known as the local conspiracy theorist in my valley… who already call me a witch. 🙂 Thinking of surreptitiously loosening the screws one day while on a walk and the next, whizzing by in the car to tip ’em both in the boot and drive away at speed…

297548 ▶▶▶▶ Chris John, replying to Melangell, 3, #1394 of 1863 🔗

Take a hammer and destroy

297592 ▶▶▶▶ Borisbullshit, replying to Melangell, 1, #1395 of 1863 🔗

Go for it!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

297656 ▶▶▶▶ Cranmer, replying to Melangell, 1, #1396 of 1863 🔗

Speaking purely for argument’s sake, most people will not notice an absent sign. But they definitely would notice a sign that had been defaced in some way, perhaps with a pithy painted slogan using one of those stencil things. Theoretically, of course.

297674 ▶▶▶▶ dickyboy, replying to Melangell, 3, #1397 of 1863 🔗

Hi viz jacket, hard hat and clipboard. Better than black hoodie,

297698 ▶▶▶▶ Two-Six, replying to Melangell, 1, #1398 of 1863 🔗

yes it’s one thing to remove a sign, the tricky part is what do you do with it?
not that I know anything about that kind of thing.

297901 ▶▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Melangell, #1399 of 1863 🔗


297537 ▶▶ watashi, replying to Melangell, 7, #1400 of 1863 🔗

yuck! my message goes more like this- How have you been managing with the whole psychological offensive against us? We’ve had enough of the lies. Still, inspite of all the insanity we wish you a happy Christmas. Then I add links to here amongst other places.

297552 ▶▶▶ Melangell, replying to watashi, 1, #1401 of 1863 🔗

i like…

297593 ▶▶ DRW, replying to Melangell, #1402 of 1863 🔗

And I thought my lot were sheepish.

297654 ▶▶ CGL, replying to Melangell, 1, #1403 of 1863 🔗

Actually I didn’t really want to uptick – maybe up-sick?

297712 ▶▶ annie, replying to Melangell, 2, #1404 of 1863 🔗

If anybody sends me a card with ‘stay safe’ in it I will tear it into little pieces and send it back.

297897 ▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Melangell, 1, #1405 of 1863 🔗

Pass a big one – and a shredder!

297907 ▶▶▶ Jo Dominich -, replying to Cheezilla, #1406 of 1863 🔗

An industrial sized one. Who the heck thinks up these things? Reading that almost put me in hospital due to blood pressure and anger at boiling point! Anyone who ever again says to me ‘stay safe’ is likely to end up in hospital!

297506 swedenborg, replying to swedenborg, 5, #1407 of 1863 🔗


Evidence of SARS-CoV-2 RNA in an Oropharyngeal Swab Specimen, Milan, Italy, Early December 2019

“We identified severe acute respiratory syndrome coronavirus 2 RNA in an oropharyngeal swab specimen collected from a child with suspected measles in early December 2019, ≈3 months before the first identified coronavirus disease case in Italy. This finding expands our knowledge on timing and mapping of novel coronavirus transmission pathways.

“was identified in a specimen collected from a 4-year-old boy who lived in the surrounding area of Milan and had no reported travel history. On November 21, the child had cough and rhinitis; about a week later (November 30), he was taken to the emergency department with respiratory symptoms and vomiting. On December 1, he had onset of a measles-like rash; on December 5 (14 days after symptom onset), the oropharyngeal swab specimen was obtained for clinical diagnosis of suspected measles. This patient’s clinical course, which included late skin manifestations, resembles what has been reported by other authors; maculopapular lesions have been among the most prevalent cutaneous manifestations observed during the COVID-19 pandemic, and several studies have noticed a later onset in younger patients”

“We describe the earliest evidence of SARS-CoV-2 RNA in a patient in Italy, ≈3 months before Italy’s first reported COVID-19 case. These findings, in agreement with other evidence of early COVID-19 spread in Europe, advance the beginning of the outbreak to late autumn 2019 “

297532 ▶▶ watashi, replying to swedenborg, 1, #1408 of 1863 🔗

maculopapular lesions? I’ve heard nothing about them in relation to covid-19. Would be interested to read more. Anyone know of any other mention of them?

297588 ▶▶▶ swedenborg, replying to watashi, 1, #1409 of 1863 🔗

In the spring pandemic there was noticed in some C-19 infected children symptoms of Kawasaki’s disease which has a maculo papular rash. This is the reason for rash which are extremely rare in C-19.But many other viruses than C-19  can lead to Kawasaki’s diseases. This disease often have any virus preceding it so not a specific C-19 induced disease. The reason for the swab of the Italian child was suspicion of measles which was not confirmed. They then tested the specimen for C-19 as they thought it could be one of this rare child cases of C-19.

297647 ▶▶▶▶ watashi, replying to swedenborg, 1, #1410 of 1863 🔗

thank you swedenborg

297614 ▶▶ Leemc23, replying to swedenborg, 1, #1411 of 1863 🔗

Surely If the virus was circulating so much earlier than the early reports of asymptomatic spread are null and void as it’s just as reasonable to have got it anywhere as from someone with no infection showing ?

297894 ▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to swedenborg, #1412 of 1863 🔗

Rashes indicate detoxing. Rhinitis is not a recognised symptom of covid but could have been another way of detoxing. (Snotty colds are wonderfully cleansing!

I hope this isn’t a ploy to implicate covid transmission from children!

297507 Mabel Cow, replying to Mabel Cow, 24, #1413 of 1863 🔗

For whatever it’s worth, here’s another poster .

297518 ▶▶ OKUK, replying to Mabel Cow, 5, #1414 of 1863 🔗

Excellent! A pithy poster taking the pith out of the pith-takers.

297521 ▶▶ MutzNutz, replying to Mabel Cow, 1, #1415 of 1863 🔗

Stop nicking ‘Remoaners’ best lines!

297528 ▶▶ Two-Six, replying to Mabel Cow, 2, #1416 of 1863 🔗


297650 ▶▶▶ CGL, replying to Two-Six, #1417 of 1863 🔗

Beer or something else? 🙂

297686 ▶▶▶▶ Two-Six, replying to CGL, 2, #1418 of 1863 🔗


297682 ▶▶ annie, replying to Mabel Cow, #1419 of 1863 🔗

Not sure about granny.

297885 ▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to annie, #1420 of 1863 🔗

It’s time we accepted that the stereotypical “granny” is already on borrowed time.

The fact that it’s perfectly possible to be a granny at 32 doesn’t come into it.

297859 ▶▶ Alethea, replying to Mabel Cow, 1, #1421 of 1863 🔗

Your aggression is exhilarating, Mabel.

297903 ▶▶ Jo Dominich -, replying to Mabel Cow, 1, #1422 of 1863 🔗

Added to which of course your Granny is more likely to die from being forced to sign a DNR notice and refused admission to hospital for treatment despite being ill!

297511 OKUK, replying to OKUK, 24, #1423 of 1863 🔗

* I thought it was about stopping the NHS from being overwhelmed…

But now I know it never was overwhelmed and it certainly isn’t in danger of being overwhelmed

* I thought it was about saving lives.

But now I know they stopped people coming into hospital for treatment and left them without
support die at home.

* I thought it was about finding a cure or a preventative medicine.

But now I know they don’t give a damn about Ivermectin, so that’s not it.

* I thought it was about following the science.

But now I know it can’t be because they ignore so much science – pretty much the whole of
virology, the findings on mask efficacy and what science tells us about functioning in old age.

* I thought it was about our health but now I see they are happy to risk people’s health with a
rushed vaccine that can make healthy people sick.

*** So what is it about? It seems it’s the usual suspects: money and power. It seems to be tied into tge big power battles between globalism and populism, and between China the USA. At least that makes some kind of sense.

297530 ▶▶ calchas, replying to OKUK, 12, #1424 of 1863 🔗

It is about increasing control in order to deal with the collapse of the financial system – trying to canalize the fallout from that in the ‘right direction’.

It won’t work, although this is indeed the end of our society/economy as it has been since 1945.

297691 ▶▶ Sophie123, replying to OKUK, 3, #1425 of 1863 🔗

It’s about Boris getting a second term, and not being nixed by photos of people lying in hospital corridors and him being eviscerated by the MSM

never mind that people lie in hospital corridors every other year

297832 ▶▶▶ OKUK, replying to Sophie123, 1, #1426 of 1863 🔗

Don’t forget that globalist banker Macron said he would close the Channel unless BJ agreed to introduce a lockdown. That was a huge threat. The unChurchillian Johnson crumpled. Remember, SAGE wasn’t even advising lockdown at that point.

297882 ▶▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to OKUK, #1427 of 1863 🔗

A point that’s frequently overlooked!

297899 ▶▶▶ Jo Dominich -, replying to Sophie123, #1428 of 1863 🔗

Someone said to me today that they thought Johnson was just someone who wanted to be ‘remembered’ for pulling off Brexit, for the Boris Bikes, the Boris Bridge etc etc. I think they might have something there! After all, the man’s not fit for any kind of office let alone the one he’s in

297525 swedenborg, replying to swedenborg, 2, #1429 of 1863 🔗

Puzzling study now published from Balloux team.They have immunity but not induced by other known coronaviruses. Some unknown? Some unknown precursor to Sars Cov-2 as suggested by some Israeli scientists?
https://www.biorxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.12.08.415703v1 Pre-existing T cell-mediated cross-reactivity to SARS-CoV-2 cannot solely be explained by prior exposure to endemic human coronaviruses

“Slightly over half (54.8%) of the tested epitopes did not have noticeable homology to any of the human endemic coronaviruses (HKU1, OC43, NL63 and 229E), suggesting prior exposure to these viruses cannot explain the full cross-reactive profiles observed in healthy unexposed individuals.
Taken together, our results suggest that the repertoire of cross-reactive epitopes reported in healthy adults cannot be primarily explained by prior exposure to any coronavirus known to date, or any related yet-uncharacterised coronavirus.”

297574 ▶▶ A. Contrarian, replying to swedenborg, 1, #1431 of 1863 🔗

I saw a paper a few days ago claiming that prior exposure to flu and CMV seems to give immunity.

297529 mhcp, replying to mhcp, 4, #1432 of 1863 🔗

I know I go on about this but just read the opening page :


Flu tests only for sicker patients.

Also for 20,076 of people deemed to have acquired SARS-CoV-2 from community transmission and labelled (suspected Covid) only 779 were tested for flu with a positive rate of over 17%!

Yet 96.1% = 19297 people were deemed by default as not having flu.

And then most flu tests are after 5 days.

So you wonder where are all the flu cases if this is indicative of what’s going on?

297568 ▶▶ theanalyst, replying to mhcp, 4, #1433 of 1863 🔗

So flu is deadly and they have stopped bothering to test for flu because everyone with a similar condition seems to test positive for Covid…so why bother testing for flu? That my take on it. It goes a long way towards explaining why flu seems to have disappeared. Good find!

297652 ▶▶▶ Cranmer, replying to theanalyst, #1434 of 1863 🔗

I have been thinking for a while that there will be an attempt to morph covid figures into other statistics, so that the whole filthy panopoly of masks, lockdowns etc can be maintained indefinitely; to what evil end we do not yet know.

297688 ▶▶▶ mhcp, replying to theanalyst, 1, #1435 of 1863 🔗

Yep. And because there is a bias to believe that Covid is highly dangerous, based on the initial scenes and information coming out of hospitals there is no means to correct the record and see any perspective. Even when the list of Covid symptoms is practically indistinguishable from flu or colds. The lung scarring can occur in a variety of respiratory conditions, pneumonia being one.

So it is not surprising the flu tests were low priority. Confirmation bias and policy changes are all that is needed to create a “panic”.

297541 Steeve, 3, #1436 of 1863 🔗

A good while back I said we will know we have truly fallen when there is a full crowd, all masked(red & white) at a Leeds v Liverpool match. The next league match is 17th April. I am nervous it might happen!

297546 essex_guy, replying to essex_guy, 1, #1437 of 1863 🔗

Can anyone confirm if these figures are correct

297556 ▶▶ Steve Martindale, replying to essex_guy, 2, #1438 of 1863 🔗

Looks OK, for the UK I expect Alzheimers/Dementia would be higher up the list but seems about right.

297557 ▶▶▶ Jo, replying to Steve Martindale, 1, #1439 of 1863 🔗

Not necessarily, if it’s world-wide, in countries that don’t have “excess longevity” they won’t have many dementia deaths.

297868 ▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Steve Martindale, #1440 of 1863 🔗

Maybe most of the covid ones would normally be in the dementia category?

297684 ▶▶ Sophie123, replying to essex_guy, 1, #1441 of 1863 🔗

Looks about right, worldwide
U.K. likely CV, cancer, dementia for top 3.
RTI usually around no. 8

297550 Jo, replying to Jo, 11, #1442 of 1863 🔗

There are so many things that really annoy me about this whole business, but one of the ones that really niggles is the Authoritarian Overreach – you know, councils, schools, shops even, etc etc trying to out-repress us, as if it were a competition for who can be most draconian.
I know it’s not of much interest to most, and I’ve posted about it before, but the Central Council of Church Bellringers is a case in point. We have only done limited “socially distanced” ringing between lockdowns and were told that despite the temporary lifting of restrictions over Xmas we would still not be able to ring the bells for Xmas, although churches and many other public buildings are open.
Well, on Wednesday, not even a week later than the previous edict, we got a missive from the head of the CCCBR, saying we could ring over Xmas for the services on Eve and Day – if you have a strong stomach read an excerpt from it below:
You may ask why it is suddenly ‘safe’ to ring at Christmas when it wasn’t
before and it won’t be again afterwards. Risk of transmission is closely
correlated with the amount of contact with others. With ringing having been
restricted for so long, this limited ringing on one or two occasions at one
of the most important times of the year for the Church does not represent a
major absolute risk, particularly as some ringers will be in church anyway.
It is also pragmatic given some ringers will want to ring anyway and will be
under pressure from their incumbents. However, repeated ringing would
increase the risk substantially, and we are not suggesting that this should
now restart.
We may not be far away from ringing being less restricted. As one member of
the Covid recovery team said “with the light at the end of the tunnel let’s
not fall down a sink hole”.

What a pile of shit! He’s definitely “following the science”.
I did wonder about the 180 degree turnaround, though.
Could it be that someone “on high” took him to task? Say, for example, SOMEONE contacted a person in the House of Lords who had previously mentioned an appreciation of bellringing in the past and explained that all ringing had been cancelled?
What do you think?

297559 ▶▶ Paul, replying to Jo, 9, #1443 of 1863 🔗

As we all know,the light at the end of the tunnel is a train.

297572 ▶▶ A. Contrarian, replying to Jo, 3, #1444 of 1863 🔗

There is detailed signage at the hockey pitch in my local park explaining how to play hockey, outdoors, in a covid-safe manner.

Two A4-size plaques, complete with diagrams and bullet points. I kid you not.

297693 ▶▶▶ Basileus, replying to A. Contrarian, 8, #1445 of 1863 🔗

Your mission, should you choose to accept it, is to remove same.

297886 ▶▶▶▶ Jo Dominich -, replying to Basileus, #1446 of 1863 🔗

A La Awkward Git!

297640 ▶▶ Cranmer, replying to Jo, 2, #1447 of 1863 🔗

Sad about bell ringing. Same with choral services. To be honest I can’t see them ever coming back in our little parish church, and I’m sorry to say that I think some clergy will be happy about that because they consider they are not ‘relevant’.

I’m hoping that the Christmas reprieve may have the effect of making some people question all the nonsense – they may be so happy to see relations that they have not seen for months that they decide to carry on doing it – or on the other hand many may be happy to go back into lockdown!

297714 ▶▶ annie, replying to Jo, 4, #1448 of 1863 🔗

I think that ringers should tell these stupid bastards to eff off, and then go and ring bells.

297551 swedenborg, 12, #1449 of 1863 🔗

Been commented before today but here is the video.You won’t see it on BBC
 https://twitter.com/Mrtdogg/status/1337422006149476353 Here is the short video, no translation, where the FPO politician in the Austrian parliament does a test of antigen  in a coca cola glass and the declare that there is a positive case of corona virus in the Austrian parliament.

297558 Borisbullshit, replying to Borisbullshit, 24, #1450 of 1863 🔗

Give me strength…Morrisons in Telford…EVERY person bar me muzzled up, even all the staff. I thought it quite likely that I would be tackled but sensibly no one did! Not seen it as bad as that before….things seem to be getting worse. It reminded me of that Oscar Wilde saying ‘when everyone agrees with me I must be wrong’. Maybe that should be the strapline for the sceptic movement.

The thing is there is no escape from it…this morning I tried small shops in Bridgnorth…that was even worse as the bastards wear their muzzles outside there too. I was virtually the only maskless person on the High Street this morning. Whilst I was outside a shop looking in, a nice (in normal circumstances lol) old couple next to me said ‘Shouldn’t you be wearing a mask young man…there is a pandemic around you know!’ Aghast I replied ‘I would be more likely to have been killed in a road accident driving here from Telford’ . The old man said ‘you need to watch the news more and find out about it’. I told them the news was pure state propaganda but I could see their brains had already shut down.

This conversation made me realise that the zombies think it is

US that have been brainwashed not them. They have this insane trust in the BBC which trades on past glories from decades ago….a bit like bands like the Rolling Stones. I suspect the Russian people were a lot more sceptical about Pravda’s output than the British are about the BBC. They still think its all Dads Army and Morecombe and Wise.

297563 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to Borisbullshit, 11, #1451 of 1863 🔗

I don’t even think they think that. They actually don’t know what is actually going on in any sense. They are either doing it because a sign says so or because someone else is doing it. That’s it. They don’t think.

The whole thing is embarrassing

297577 ▶▶▶ Andrea Salford, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 5, #1452 of 1863 🔗

I think they’re buying into it because they can’t face what the actuality might be. Cowards.

297596 ▶▶▶▶ Howie59, replying to Andrea Salford, 18, #1453 of 1863 🔗

You’re giving them too much credit. The vast majority of the population are just stupid. A sweeping statement, granted but this is the inevitable truth of the matter. Very few people read and even fewer want to learn.

297609 ▶▶▶▶▶ Borisbullshit, replying to Howie59, 5, #1454 of 1863 🔗

Sadly I have to concur with that based on today’s awful reality.

298061 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Andrea Salford, replying to Borisbullshit, #1455 of 1863 🔗

Well I grant you many are stupid and /or paid for sitting on their asses doing nothing but I guarantee many are earnest and honest and hard working and do find it difficult to believe that our government doesn’t have our best interests at heart. That’s to their credit and the government’s ultimate shame. However we must disavow them of that trust and recruit them.

297584 ▶▶ SionnachAirgid, replying to Borisbullshit, 8, #1456 of 1863 🔗

I had the same experience in Sainsburys in Truro this evening. Every other customer and every member of staff masked up, never seen it so bad in there, and a lot more on the streets when I drove through the city centre, it’s like living in an episode of Black Mirror

297601 ▶▶▶ Borisbullshit, replying to SionnachAirgid, 5, #1457 of 1863 🔗

Yes I don’t think its going to get any better anytime soon…we need to prepare for the long haul. In the New Year I think I will be spending more time with animals than people….you dont have any of this shit with them…yet we are supposed to be the clever ones. I actually like real sheep…..just cant stand the human ones.

297633 ▶▶▶▶ Cranmer, replying to Borisbullshit, 3, #1458 of 1863 🔗

Yes, I’ve been saying this. We can’t give in to short term anger and depression (which is internalised anger). This is going to go on for a long, long time and we need to pace ourselves.

297710 ▶▶▶▶▶ CGL, replying to Cranmer, 4, #1459 of 1863 🔗

My brain has already started to shut down from the permanent state of stress and fight or flight. I have even been taken aside at work because I am making so many mistakes. When I see them, I cannot understand how or why they have happened. Whether I will be able to function enough to continue work is now very much in the balance.

297715 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Cranmer, replying to CGL, 2, #1460 of 1863 🔗

Sorry to hear that. If you haven’t already, I suggest trying a few days of news blackout. I felt I was starting to go loopy back in November so I took a break of no news, no social media etc for five days. It really did me a power of good. However, I do work from home running my own business, so I don’t have to deal with any Covid nonsense if I don’t want to.

297879 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Jo Dominich -, replying to CGL, #1461 of 1863 🔗

CGL do what Cranmer says – block it all out for a few days – have a total news blackout. Don’t let it get a hold. Everything has a solution and this one has too. It will end sooner rather than later I think. Don’t let it affect your work. Do something light, frivolous, break regulations, get fresh air, watch some old Danny Kaye movies, get some light relief comedy. I tend to love Talking Pictures for the golden age of film and comedy. Don’t let it dominate your thoughts and your mind. I don’t wear masks anywhere and I am not exempt. it was only a couple of weeks ago that I was stopped for the very first time in a Supermarket but still went on to shop without a mask. I try to engage in acts of Civil disobedience however small, when I can. It makes me feel as though I can achieve something. Hang on in there. Have a break from news and all of this for five days.

297929 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Cranmer, replying to Jo Dominich -, #1462 of 1863 🔗

Anyone can claim exemption from mask wearing – one of the given reasons is that mask wearing causes distress to the wearer, and therefore anyone concerned for their personal freedom is exempt because he or she will naturally feel distress in being forced to wear a mask. You do not have to provide any medical evidence for this.

297631 ▶▶ Cranmer, replying to Borisbullshit, 6, #1463 of 1863 🔗

Since the mask mandate came in I don’t think I’ve ever seen anyone else in the shops not wearing a mask, either in the village shops or the nearby market town and supermarket. On the plus side I’ve never had any comments or refusals etc except one, and apparently he’s a well known grumpy R-Sole anyway.

What’s sad is that I think we are at the point now where people simply will do anything with no understanding of what they are losing, in a sort Eloi-like state. I really do think it’s possible that mask wearing and social distancing will be with us for ever now, with all the concomitant effects such as the end of cinemas, theatres, pubs etc. People are so bovine that they will just shrug and accept it.

The only chink of light is that because they are so bovine, they will equally accept being told the opposite. I genuinely believe if they were told by the government that masks were bad and social distancing made catching Covid more likely, they would dance and embrace in the streets. All we can hope for is that, somehow, somewhere, the narrative will eventually turn, God willing.

297699 ▶▶▶ Borisbullshit, replying to Cranmer, 5, #1464 of 1863 🔗

Thanks for that thought provoking reply and for the idea that depression is internalised anger….it makes a lot of sense that. I agree with you that the irrational fear they have trumps everything and all else is expendable in the push for ‘zero covid’. I too am sure that some people will now wear masks forever and also swerve to avoid you. This kind of anti human behaviour is now used by the despicable likes of Tesco to advertise their supermarket.

297732 ▶▶▶▶ Cranmer, replying to Borisbullshit, 3, #1465 of 1863 🔗

You are welcome. The problem we as sceptics have is that we tend to assume everyone thinks like us but most don’t. As St Matthew most truly says, “Enter by the narrow gate; for wide is the gate and broad is the way that leads to destruction, and there are many who go in by it.’ This tends to make us either angry or depressed but this doesn’t achieve anything.

We can’t force anyone to see things our way. We can’t be like blacksmiths – trying to force change by beating with a hammer and roaring fires, but more like a furniture maker, gently turning wood by applying mild heat and pressure over a long period of time.

The time may come when the hammers and roaring fires are all we have left, but I think we are not quite there yet.

297716 ▶▶ The Mask Exempt Covid Marshall, replying to Borisbullshit, 1, #1466 of 1863 🔗

“The old man said ‘you need to watch the news more and find out about it’.”

What, people like Kay Burley and Beth Rigby? Oh, wait…

297869 ▶▶ Jo Dominich -, replying to Borisbullshit, #1467 of 1863 🔗

Well, I will say this, around here, there is virtually 100% non mask wearing outdoors!

297919 ▶▶▶ Borisbullshit, replying to Jo Dominich -, #1468 of 1863 🔗

I am envious Jo!

297561 Lisa (formerly) from Toronto, replying to Lisa (formerly) from Toronto, 14, #1469 of 1863 🔗

This out of Washington, DC: The DC Council voted to allow 11-year-olds to give their consent to receive a vaccine without the knowledge of their parents or legal guardian. Passed the first vote 12-1. Has to get through a second vote and then will be sent to the mayor for her signature. This is very scary!

600.9 (a) A minor, 11 years of age or older, may consent to receive a vaccine if the minor is capable of meeting the informed consent standard, the vaccine is recommended by the United States Advisory Committee on Immunization Practices (“ACIP”), and will be provided in accordance with ACIP’s recommended immunization schedule.
B23-0171: Minor Consent for Vaccinations Amendment Act, City Council, Washington, D.C.

The bill would not only permit children to receive a vaccine without their parents’ knowledge or consent, but by default it requires insurance companies, vaccine administrators and schools to conceal from parents that the child has been vaccinated .

297567 ▶▶ calchas, replying to Lisa (formerly) from Toronto, 11, #1470 of 1863 🔗

Thank you Lisa for bringing us that.

If that story doen’t wake people up, then nothing fucking will.

297573 ▶▶ Dan Clarke, replying to Lisa (formerly) from Toronto, 6, #1471 of 1863 🔗

And then they came for the children

297661 ▶▶ watashi, replying to Lisa (formerly) from Toronto, 2, #1472 of 1863 🔗

that is seriously scary and worrying

297704 ▶▶ CGL, replying to Lisa (formerly) from Toronto, 1, #1473 of 1863 🔗

That is just too dispicable. Apart from which what if they live with someone vulnerable enough to catch it from them because they’re shedding after they’ve had it? Or am I missing something?

297917 ▶▶ Ben, replying to Lisa (formerly) from Toronto, 2, #1474 of 1863 🔗

This is unbelievable. Are politicians literally fascists?

297575 Ewan Duffy, replying to Ewan Duffy, 6, #1475 of 1863 🔗


The High Court in Ireland will force the vaccine onto wards of court in its “care”.

This from a country that practiced symphysiotomies on pregnant women and drug trials on children in Magdalene Launderies and Industrial Schools. We never learn.

297913 ▶▶ Ben, replying to Ewan Duffy, #1476 of 1863 🔗

Irish politicians are a unique breed of fascist

297576 D.S., replying to D.S., 3, #1477 of 1863 🔗

Apologies if this has been discussed enough already. I’m trying to discuss on REDDIT as well but got blocked posting the Drosten Review doc.


Main reason is they say the original paper WAS peer-reviewed. The review doc point #8 says ‘in their opinion’ since the paper was submitted and approved/released in 24 hours there’s no way a proper peer review was done. Reddit says this is false info and so cannot post.

Just reddit but felt like following up.

297590 ▶▶ calchas, replying to D.S., 6, #1478 of 1863 🔗

Yeah called up a couple of accomplices who skimmed through it and signed off.

There you are – peer-reviewed.

The only peer I trust is Lord Sumption.

297598 ▶▶▶ D.S., replying to calchas, #1479 of 1863 🔗

The same review is posted and allowed in the subreddit ‘Conspiracy’ section though.

297702 ▶▶▶ CGL, replying to calchas, #1480 of 1863 🔗

Yeah – where are the others eh?

297909 ▶▶ Ben, replying to D.S., #1481 of 1863 🔗

I left Reddit because of censorship.

297578 Dan Clarke, 5, #1482 of 1863 🔗

When I read about Covid it reminds of the words of that great statesman Jean Claude Juncker, ‘When it gets serious, you lie’………

297582 calchas, replying to calchas, 6, #1483 of 1863 🔗

“Australia has scrapped a $750 million project after a vaccine trial saw some participants falsely test positive for HIV.”


Well, well, well

Sometimes you get the feelng they don’t know what the fuck they’re doing.

Someimes you think they know exactly what they’re doing.

297610 ▶▶ leggy, replying to calchas, 2, #1484 of 1863 🔗

There was an Indian study that found parallels between the HIV and SARS-CoV-2 genome.

297624 ▶▶▶ A. Contrarian, replying to leggy, 1, #1485 of 1863 🔗

Yes – wasn’t it the HIV bit that led to the theory that it must be lab-made rather than naturally evolved?

298039 ▶▶▶▶ leggy, replying to A. Contrarian, #1486 of 1863 🔗

I’m not sure, but I recall there being three identical sequences which seemed a bit suspect to me. The paper was quickly retracted, but you can still find it out there.

297718 ▶▶ annie, replying to calchas, 3, #1487 of 1863 🔗

Moral: the Covid jab gives you AIDS.
Roll up, muppets!

297858 ▶▶▶ Jo Dominich -, replying to annie, #1488 of 1863 🔗

Annie, I know what I’m about to say is unrelated but, earlier this year I watched a Storyville Documentary in which two Danish reporters went to Africa to investigate the death in an air accident of the Danish Representative to the UN who was passionate about bringing Africa into its own wealth and managing its own natural resources. He died in a plane crash which many felt might have been orchestrated so to speak as it was contrary to international interests for Africa to have control over its own natural resources.

They conducted a thorough lengthy investigation but, although found evidence of some corruption were unable to conclude the plane crash was orchestrated. However, more interestingly, what they did come across was a mountain of evidence that a British Army Office Major (Cannot remember his surname right now) posing as a Doctor travelled much of Africa under the guise of a doctor and was peddling a vaccine that would eliminate a variety of disease (sorry I can’t be more specific but I cannot remember all the details). However, what they found, and the evidence was incontravertible, was that this so called British Doctor and his team were actually injecting the AIDS virus into Africans who had no idea at all as to what was in the vaccine. They just thought it would prevent some common diseases. If you look back at the way AIDS overwhelmed Africa and the excuses that were made for it, the documentary becomes more shocking because of the weight of the evidence. I think the Danish UN Representative’s name was something like Djas Hammerjsold and the Storyville documentary was called the same thing I think. I know it’s not necessarily relevant to your post but I thought it might be an interesting take on it.

297846 ▶▶ Jo Dominich -, replying to calchas, #1489 of 1863 🔗

Well done the Aussies.

297585 Ben, 6, #1490 of 1863 🔗

COVID is a pigs trough of corruption.

More conflicts of interest revealed:


297594 Zak Thelotofem, replying to Zak Thelotofem, 5, #1491 of 1863 🔗

If you leave out a few countries with tiny populations (except Denmark with 5.8 million) the UK stands well clear of the world in PCR tests per million. We are casedemic central

297908 ▶▶ Ben, replying to Zak Thelotofem, #1492 of 1863 🔗

I’m guessing the UK has the highest level of pharma shareholders population density

297597 calchas, replying to calchas, 3, #1493 of 1863 🔗

Commenters below citing someone who says that we are ‘heading for disaster’.

Too damned right we’re heading for disaster, but not for the reasons he thinks.

297622 ▶▶ John P, replying to calchas, -5, #1494 of 1863 🔗

What are the reasons then oh font of all wisdom

297599 awildgoose, replying to awildgoose, 2, #1495 of 1863 🔗

US Department of Justice spokesperson trying to convince us masks work:


297603 ▶▶ Andrea Salford, replying to awildgoose, 4, #1496 of 1863 🔗

What I don’t understand – do these people not have family, friends, neighbours? that they care about? that don’t call out this shite?

297606 Stuart, replying to Stuart, 2, #1497 of 1863 🔗

Of course London must enter Tier 3 next Wednesday.

For is this not the Crashout Lockdown and is not London a hotbed of anti-Brexiterism?

Who more necessary to keep well locked down but those turbulent reprobates – and for the Duration, however long that might be.

297619 ▶▶ Cranmer, replying to Stuart, #1498 of 1863 🔗

I wondered that but are there actually any different restrictions on protests between tiers 2 and 3? Isn’t it banned in both of them?

297792 ▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Cranmer, #1499 of 1863 🔗

No. Though rallies and “educational meetings” seem to be the thing now. Just saying …..

297902 ▶▶ Ben, replying to Stuart, 1, #1500 of 1863 🔗

Simpleton masked zombies are incapable of grasping the arbitrary time and date insanity tied to these government edicts. Will the virus be away on Tuesday but back on Wednesday?

These hordes are terrified by their own stupidity.

297607 Kevin 2, replying to Kevin 2, 2, #1501 of 1863 🔗

A very disturbing video portraying care home abuse.

But kudos to RT for putting it out there.


297615 ▶▶ calchas, replying to Kevin 2, 5, #1502 of 1863 🔗

Yes friends, that’s the kind of ‘society’ we are ‘living’ in.

Never forgive – and never forget.

297642 ▶▶ Noumenon, replying to Kevin 2, 2, #1503 of 1863 🔗

I think we are well into Ceausescu territory now, if we weren’t already but just didn’t know it.

Like when the Iron Curtain fell, I’m wondering just what horrors are out there waiting to be discovered…

297842 ▶▶ Jo Dominich -, replying to Kevin 2, 1, #1504 of 1863 🔗

More often than not these days, when I want to find out the truth about what is happening in this country I turn to RT UK!

297611 Freecumbria, replying to Freecumbria, 3, #1505 of 1863 🔗

Interesting compiled twitter thread on a PCR laboratory in Rhode Island where they recorded and made available the cycle threshold of all their positive tests.

A positive above a certain cycle threshold is unlikely to be live virus. Shows how few positive PCR tests indicate transmissible ‘live’ virus once the epidemic has passed it’s peak month or so.


Can you imagine if this data was made available for UK labs.

297620 ▶▶ John P, replying to Freecumbria, 5, #1506 of 1863 🔗

I’m fairly sure that they know this already. It’s not politically expedient for the government to explore it. They’d have to admit they had got it wrong.

297616 swedenborg, 6, #1507 of 1863 🔗

Which country in Europe test most for C-19(excluding Andorra and tiny countries)? The surprising answer now is Denmark.1,5 million test per million people. More than double mass testing UK and US. And 3-4 times more than neighbouring Nordic countries. Why? No idea, but probably the scare story about the C-19 infected minks might be the cause. Result. Sky high C-19 cases but hardly much more deaths and not overrun ICU departments. If you test more you find more. The Danish government, as all other European governments, shocked by these “astonishing” results and introducing more SD measures.

297618 Liam, replying to Liam, 29, #1508 of 1863 🔗

Me (on pretty much every day of my adult life so far): “Hello everyone *cheery wave* Everyone OK? Anyone fancy a pint or need a bit of shopping? All the best everyone anyway.”

Everybody else: “There’s a bit of a bug going round we’re not TOO sure about. All social life must end. We can’t go within six feet of anyone else or we are no better than murderers. No more school. Biology does not exist, nor does the immune system. Speaking above a state-approved decibel level shall be punishable by death, on appeal this may be commuted to lifelong exile to a penal colony. Dreadfully mentally disabled children shall be isolated in bio-secure cages and forbidden all contact with the only people in the universe who love them. Elderly people who are peacefully contemplating the last stage of their well-lived life must be confined under guard for their security. Buying a pair of socks in Cardiff is genocide. If your disgusting urge to indulge in the revolting act of having sex with someone you “love” or just fancy a bit proves too much, be warned, this is subject to review. These edicts can, and will, be updated at any time, without notice and it is the citizen’s responsibility at all times and in all places to be aware of them. More to follow…”

Me (adopts Arnold Ridley tone): “Erm, are we absolutely and entirely sure this is completely necessary? I do hate to ask but it does sound a bit of a rum do..”


Have I missed anything?

297663 ▶▶ Two-Six, replying to Liam, 7, #1509 of 1863 🔗

BBC output for the last nine months?

297666 ▶▶▶ Liam, replying to Two-Six, 6, #1510 of 1863 🔗

Everything, all the time. I feel overwhelmed ☹️

297726 ▶▶▶▶ Two-Six, replying to Liam, 4, #1511 of 1863 🔗

I think I gave up trying to be “whelmed” about 10 years ago. So I am not surprisingly overwhelmed. Just angry, in a mostly calm sort of way. Which is quite strange.

297849 ▶▶ Alethea, replying to Liam, 2, #1512 of 1863 🔗

I know you may be feeling desperate, but this whole insane situation is doing wonders for your satirical writing. By the end of this sorry fiasco, we’ll all be Juvenal or Jonathan Swift.

297872 ▶▶▶ Liam, replying to Alethea, #1513 of 1863 🔗

I have had a few bits published here and there but I’d given up on it. It’s an ill wind 😉

297889 ▶▶ Ben, replying to Liam, 2, #1514 of 1863 🔗

You’re a genius!

297898 ▶▶▶ Liam, replying to Ben, 1, #1515 of 1863 🔗

Well thank you, but to me I’m just a person who can read, write, and add up with a bit of help and is just completely baffled by WHAT THE FUCK IS HAPPENING????

297958 ▶▶▶▶ Ben, replying to Liam, 2, #1516 of 1863 🔗

I realised that your well written satire is actually a potent weapon.. You have a gift

298008 ▶▶▶▶▶ Liam, replying to Ben, 1, #1517 of 1863 🔗

I know mate, thank you.

297621 calchas, replying to calchas, 9, #1518 of 1863 🔗

A bit of cheer.

Nature always sees to it that any discrepancy between how we perceive the world and how the world actually is, is always punished.

We can’t know right now, exactly what form that punishment will take for all of those who have been taken in by this nonsense, but it will happen.

….it is out there waiting for them.

297629 ▶▶ Richard O, replying to calchas, 10, #1519 of 1863 🔗

The monumental edifice of lies gets bigger and bigger, yet sits upon ever weaker foundations. As established lies begin to crumble, new lies emerge from these subsiding foundations to keep the pantomime going. Everyone barring a handful of sceptics are fully invested in the show and will not (and increasingly cannot) let go.

There has to be a breaking point, and when it arrives the collapse should be very quick. How much pain are people willing to endure before they let go of their fantasies?

297634 ▶▶▶ calchas, replying to Richard O, 8, #1520 of 1863 🔗

It is like a bubble in stupidity, with the share price of stupidity being bid ever higher

Yes, the collapse will be fucking epic.

We can only do so much for those we love.

Our mission, should we choose to accept it, is to prepare as best we can for that collapse and make sure we cone out the other side, as whole as possible.

..and there will be an other side.

297641 ▶▶▶▶ Richard O, replying to calchas, 8, #1521 of 1863 🔗

Retaining our humanity is the main goal. Everything else is burning to the ground. Increasingly this is looking like a necessary process. The fake world is unsustainable.

297651 ▶▶▶▶▶ calchas, replying to Richard O, 10, #1522 of 1863 🔗

Yes, I am always looking for positives.

I hope that this crisis makes people understand the sterility, the meaninglessness. the fakeness, as you put it, of the ‘online world’ and the bureaucratised reality that the technocrats would like to reduce us to.

I have had several experiences that persuade me that that is indeed the case.

In that spirit I pour myself another glass of wine.


297658 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Two-Six, replying to calchas, 7, #1523 of 1863 🔗

To Freedom!

297659 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Richard O, replying to calchas, 6, #1524 of 1863 🔗

In the interests of perspective, I will add that we might just be the most decadent heretics in recorded history!

297829 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Jo Dominich -, replying to Richard O, 1, #1525 of 1863 🔗

Ah that’s what I will have on my Gravestone: Jo, the most decadent heretic in Covid history alongside the fellow sceptics!

297657 ▶▶▶▶▶ Two-Six, replying to Richard O, 8, #1526 of 1863 🔗

I think your right here, in a big way. The edifice of bullshit cannot keep rolling down the road for much longer. The wheels are falling off.

297830 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Jo Dominich -, replying to Two-Six, 1, #1527 of 1863 🔗

And the smell is getting stronger and stronger and is fast becoming unendurable.

297690 ▶▶▶▶▶ CGL, replying to Richard O, 1, #1528 of 1863 🔗

Not to the fake people
Sorry not feeling terribly positive at the mo

297824 ▶▶▶▶ Jo Dominich -, replying to calchas, #1529 of 1863 🔗

I’m ready.