2020-12-12

Sourcehttps://lockdownsceptics.org/2020/12/12/latest-news-221/
Published2020-12-12T03:24:57
Last updated2020-12-12T09:07:04
Scraped2020-12-20T20:18:12
Articles19
Comments1,162
Users243

Articles

Comments

298098 OKUK, replying to OKUK, 11, #1 of 1162 🔗

First!

298100 ▶▶ OKUK, replying to OKUK, 22, #2 of 1162 🔗

And now for my acceptance speech…inspired by Father Ted at the “Priest of the Year” awards, I’d like to begin by having a go at all those bastards who said I could never do it…

298101 ▶▶ Richard O, replying to OKUK, 16, #3 of 1162 🔗

See my final reply to finish off yesterday’s dialogues. Here’s to another day of sharing strong ideas at right angles to our society.

298127 ▶▶▶ annie, replying to Richard O, 13, #4 of 1162 🔗

Well put. You’ve nailed that weird feeling of seeing the world from a different angle from that of the (zombie) majority.

As when the little boy shouts out that the emperor has no clothes, and the zombie crowd screams with one voice, ‘Yes he has!’ and sends the little boy to prison for spreading false information.

298698 ▶▶▶▶ Borisbullshit, replying to annie, 2, #5 of 1162 🔗

Thats a very good analogy ……I have the same feeling when I listen to ANY mainstream media TV or Radio programme….its as if I am living in a parallel universe. Yet there is no need for this…we could just live as normal as we did in 1968 etc….if people wanted that but they dont seem to.

298939 ▶▶▶ OKUK, replying to Richard O, #6 of 1162 🔗

A good description, Richard!

298432 ▶▶ PWL, replying to OKUK, 2, #7 of 1162 🔗

Turning out great value from the real estate again, I see. This isn’t wasted on you people, is it?

Government plans in disarray, spanner in works looks like delivered by NHS itself. Now GPs won’t administer the Pfizer vaccine.
Amongst Fear-Mongered Vaccine Rollout Anti-Climax, Old People Being Used As Guinea Pigs

298448 ▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to PWL, 4, #8 of 1162 🔗

Fear-mongering about mandatory jabs has been a constant feature of alternative media Covid-19 coverage for almost a year

and it’s being debated in Parliament on Monday!

298842 ▶▶ John P, replying to OKUK, #9 of 1162 🔗

This daily ritual annoys me almost as much as clapping for the NHS.

I do wish you’d all stop it.

298932 ▶▶▶ stevie119, replying to John P, #10 of 1162 🔗

Go away, then.

298102 Judy Watson, replying to Judy Watson, 7, #11 of 1162 🔗

Morning all.Well done okuk

298104 ▶▶ Lisa (formerly) from Toronto, replying to Judy Watson, 8, #12 of 1162 🔗

Still evening for some of us. But good morning to you!

298105 ▶▶ Ceriain, replying to Judy Watson, 17, #13 of 1162 🔗

Morning, Judy, morning all.

Keep up the good fight; attend a march/protest/gathering today, if there’s one near you.

I would never do such a thing, I’ll be too busy having a nice stroll through Hyde the Park minding my own business. 😉

298103 Cristi.Neagu, replying to Cristi.Neagu, 9, #14 of 1162 🔗

Reading that Twitter thread from Michael P. Senger… it feels like Jean Raspail’s “The Camp of the Saints” is about to become reality…

298109 ▶▶ wendyk, replying to Cristi.Neagu, 1, #15 of 1162 🔗

I’ve read the book twice

298456 ▶▶▶ Jane in France, replying to wendyk, 6, #16 of 1162 🔗

You learn things on this site – I’d never heard of this book but I’m going to buy it. Here’s a comment I made on an article in the National – more in hope than in expectation of changing minds in Scotland, but I thought you might be interested, wendyk, since I remember you ‘re one of Crankie’s subjects.
Cancer -18
Dementia/Alzheimer -17
Heart disease/stroke -4
Respiratory – 43
Covid +182
Other + 34
Total + 133
These are the figures for excess deaths from week 45 starting November 2 on the National Records of Scotland. Notice that deaths from the usual causes like cancer are all less than the five year average. So covid seems to be killing people who would normally have died of something else during that week. Deaths from the sinister-sounding “other causes” (suicide?) are up on the five year average. Let’s do some arithmetic. The total of “negative” deaths is 82. Add on the excess “other” deaths that would not normally have happened. 82 plus 34 makes 116. Take that away from the total of 133 excess deaths. You end up with 17 excess deaths for that week. 182 people seem to have died of covid, but the above calculations suggest that total deaths are not significantly higher than usual. Do we really have to struggle with tiers for such unimpressive figures? Ah, but hospitals might be overwhelmed, I hear you say. Well no – there have been 19 more deaths than usual in hospital and 839 fewer hospital deaths overall during the epidemic period. At the same time, worryingly, 109 more people than usual died at home that week – 4,141 more than usual during the epidemic period. The National Records of Scotland make for fascinating and informative reading.

298605 ▶▶▶▶ wendyk, replying to Jane in France, 4, #17 of 1162 🔗

Thank you Jane; however, such is the grip of the Gauleiter and her minions that I fear that this will make little difference.

However, the Salmond Saga is not going away any time soon, and skeletons will be rattling in their SNP closets.

My area is now in tier3 and we are to be given a reprieve at Christmas, if we’re very good!

Masks are everywhere now, although, on a happier note, 3 of us were bare faced in a local shop this morning.

One had her mask under her chin, but even so, the most I’ve encountered in the dangerous world of buying groceries.

298717 ▶▶▶▶ RickH, replying to Jane in France, 2, #18 of 1162 🔗

At the wider UK level, this mismatch (and the obvious explanation) has been remarked on for some time. A sudden decrease for one year in certain non-seasonal, non-infectious morbidities is pretty incredible.

298888 ▶▶▶▶▶ Rowan, replying to RickH, 2, #19 of 1162 🔗

A sudden decrease for one year in certain non-seasonal, non-infectious morbidities is pretty incredible.

It’s incredible and also a blatant lie.

298106 Richard O, replying to Richard O, 85, #20 of 1162 🔗

The Bob Moran cartoon awards story above the line may appear, especially to international readers, to be terribly small beer, but it speaks to the heart of where we are going as a society in such a significant way. That his work required the intervention of another private organisation (the FSU) even to be considered as a candidate is mind-blowing.

Desperately worrying times we live in, but I appreciate, and pay attention to, every waking second so much more than I ever did before.

298130 ▶▶ annie, replying to Richard O, 17, #21 of 1162 🔗

So do I. I’ve never rejoiced more keenly in the mere fact if living. Living, not merely hiding away from death. Scruton got it absolutely right.

298183 ▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Richard O, 3, #22 of 1162 🔗

Voted for Bob but I did like this from the Independent

298191 ▶▶▶ Barney McGrew, replying to karenovirus, 13, #23 of 1162 🔗

But… it’s a pro-lockdown cartoon..?

It’s suggesting that Rishi was irresponsible for encouraging the filthy public to eat out, spreading their filthy viruses in cafes and restaurants.

298345 ▶▶▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Barney McGrew, 2, #24 of 1162 🔗

So ? it’s still funny, check the window signage.

298323 ▶▶ Llamasaurus Rex, replying to Richard O, 8, #25 of 1162 🔗

Bob’s cartoons have been important to me, that’s for sure.

298477 ▶▶ Ben, replying to Richard O, 9, #26 of 1162 🔗

The snivelling, ignorant, cowardly, selfish decisions of the ‘good Nazis’ who live among us turn my stomach. Their little acts will lead us down a road to dystopia

298700 ▶▶ Borisbullshit, replying to Richard O, 6, #27 of 1162 🔗

Thank god Toby set it up…but terribly dangerous times.

298107 Cecil B, replying to Cecil B, 29, #28 of 1162 🔗

Another day waiting for the insane to regain their sanity

Wait, wait, and wait again

298110 ▶▶ Richard O, replying to Cecil B, 12, #29 of 1162 🔗

I’ll continue to prod and poke them, in whatever ways I can that are appropriate to the recipients. Mother, sister, lifelong friends, decades-old colleagues, acquaintances, strangers. No effort is wasted, but each must be tailored with skill for maximum impact.

298413 ▶▶ David Grimbleby, replying to Cecil B, 4, #30 of 1162 🔗

Will they ‘recover their senses one by one’, as Charles McKay wrote, or need to be told …it’s all over, by the same lunatics who created the mess?

298108 wendyk, replying to wendyk, 15, #31 of 1162 🔗
298111 ▶▶ Richard O, replying to wendyk, 10, #32 of 1162 🔗

Every article I have read on this site, unknown to me until 2020, has been outstanding. Superb in their construction, succinct in their delivery. I believe they are considered by the “fact” checkers to be a far-right think tank.

298114 ▶▶ karenovirus, replying to wendyk, 10, #33 of 1162 🔗

Those 700 epidemiologists might as well spend the rest of their lives in bed before dying of bedsore induced sepsis.

298115 ▶▶▶ wendyk, replying to karenovirus, 14, #34 of 1162 🔗

And lethal blood clotting-pulmonary embolus-caused by immobility!

Exercise and fresh air are the basic essentials for bodily maintenance, along with a decent affordable diet and plenty of common sense and independently minded scrutiny of all so called data and edicts.

298248 ▶▶ LS99, replying to wendyk, 26, #35 of 1162 🔗

This sentence: “As an aside, I wonder how these scientists believe groceries arrive at their doorsteps, if not by another human being whose safety is, apparently, less worthy of consideration”.

My thoughts exactly.

298349 ▶▶▶ wendyk, replying to LS99, 2, #36 of 1162 🔗

Exactly

298486 ▶▶▶ Steve, replying to LS99, 2, #37 of 1162 🔗

Oh we don’t exist. We don’t get Covid either…

298463 ▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to wendyk, 2, #38 of 1162 🔗

It used to be accountants who were reputed to be sad, boring creatures with no social life.
They’re the life and soul of any party compared with the epidemiologists!

298470 ▶▶▶ wendyk, replying to Cheezilla, 2, #39 of 1162 🔗

Back in the day, accountants were known as the Living Dead; not any more.

298112 Stuart, replying to Stuart, 6, #40 of 1162 🔗

Trilaterist Starmer, our Poundland Robespierre, spends yet another day in mutatis mutandis.

[trans. mute, pandering mutt from the snakepit of lawyers.]

298113 ▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Stuart, 8, #41 of 1162 🔗

Of the four groups of Nazi Einsatzgruppen S.S. deaths squads in Poland and later Russia three were commanded by lawyers, the fourth by a career policeman.

298119 ▶▶▶ annie, replying to karenovirus, 13, #42 of 1162 🔗

Absolute power over the life and death of the innocent corrupts absolutely, and makes monsters of men.
That’s what Starmer aspires to. He’s saving time by getting his corruption in first.

298313 ▶▶ Ovis, replying to Stuart, 8, #43 of 1162 🔗

Starmer is just Bojo’s ludicrous butt plug. He doesn’t deserve to be taken more seriously than that.

298116 wendyk, replying to wendyk, 20, #44 of 1162 🔗

Veering off piste here, but bear with me : the Poles and the Hungarians have seen off the apparatchiks in Brussels.

https://www.rt.com/news/509451-soros-oped-merkel-surrender-eu/

Grit and determination flourishing in two of the Visegrad nations; no doubt arising from their first hand experiences of repression, subjugation and occupation.

298117 ▶▶ annie, replying to wendyk, 21, #45 of 1162 🔗

Poland and Hungary have known centuries of bullying, conquest, terror, occupation, oppression, snd (in Poland’s case) dismemberment.They survived.
Now perhaps they will show the new slave nations, like Britain, the way to resist.

298121 ▶▶▶ wendyk, replying to annie, 6, #46 of 1162 🔗

We can but hope Annie; they put us to shame.

298202 ▶▶▶ RickH, replying to annie, 10, #47 of 1162 🔗

You have a point. The UK has always lived under an illusion of democracy, propped up by all sorts of historical myths – like the one about modern German incomers representing the pinnacle of the traditional British social hierarchy.

Eastern Europeans have their myths, too – but they have been close up to autocracy and totalitarianism, and have an insight which is lacking in the UK – and the techniques of dealing with it to some extent.

299232 ▶▶▶▶ Jo Dominich -, replying to RickH, #48 of 1162 🔗

Hang on a minute Or bank in Hungary and the President in Poland have orchestrated Fascist totalitarian states. They have no independent judiciary now and Orban (Johnsons buddy) has crowned himself Dictator and cannot now be unelected in his lifetime.

They have also taken the free Press under States control. They therefore do not meet the criteria for EU membership as they are no longer democracies.

298140 ▶▶ TC, replying to wendyk, 7, #49 of 1162 🔗

Anything that annoys George Soros surely cannot be bad?
I think the matter of civil liberties is primarily a matter for those countries and not something to be a subject for EU diktat….but I am wary of agreeing to curtail one person’s freedom when, in the future, it might be my freedom in question.

298637 ▶▶▶ Graham3, replying to TC, 1, #50 of 1162 🔗

I seem to recall that Soros was the leading name during the Black Wednesday disaster?

298118 Cecil B, replying to Cecil B, 49, #51 of 1162 🔗

‘Welsh Government bans domestic carpet in fight against virus’

The Welsh dictatorship has announced a ban on the sale of domestic carpet from midnight

In addition all carpet must be removed from homes by midday on 24th
December

A spokesperson said ‘ These new measures are introduced to protect the public. There is clear evidence that in the winter months people feel miserable if they have no carpets in their homes. If people are miserable they are less likely to socialise. Less socialising less spread of the virus ‘

The spokesperson added ‘ We know these life saving measures will be attacked by far right groups and anti vaxxers, but we will continue to follow the science ‘

298122 ▶▶ annie, replying to Cecil B, 10, #52 of 1162 🔗

I can think of quite a few people, starting with Dungford, that ought to be on the carpet. I’d willingly lend mine for the purpose.

298125 ▶▶▶ wendyk, replying to annie, 4, #53 of 1162 🔗

Carpet beating,as done in days of yore, comes to mind Annie.

298129 ▶▶▶▶ karenovirus, replying to wendyk, 10, #54 of 1162 🔗

The Mongols knew a thing or two about carpet beating.
They rolled the last Abbasid Caliph in one and trampled him to death with horses.

298144 ▶▶▶▶▶ annie, replying to karenovirus, 12, #55 of 1162 🔗

We need a few Mongols down our way. Horses and carpets can be provided.

298124 ▶▶ wendyk, replying to Cecil B, 11, #56 of 1162 🔗

They’ve cracked it: hypothermia will result in zero covid, Drakeford will receive a gong from the WHO and the troublesome unruly citizens will all become comatose ,thanks to plummeting core body temperatures.

298128 ▶▶▶ annie, replying to wendyk, 10, #57 of 1162 🔗

I believe that intense cold also reduces brain activity. If that’s so, Tortoise Stalin must be living in the cold store, alongside Pfizer’s snake oil.

298132 ▶▶▶▶ wendyk, replying to annie, 5, #58 of 1162 🔗

I can recommend a few candidates for the cold store

298131 ▶▶ kh1485, replying to Cecil B, 13, #59 of 1162 🔗

You know what, things are so ridiculous right now, I would actually nearly believe that!

298134 ▶▶▶ wendyk, replying to kh1485, 10, #60 of 1162 🔗

And don’t forget recent warnings about lethal avocados! And just think what could be done with a malevolently aimed baking potato!

298135 ▶▶▶▶ kh1485, replying to wendyk, 4, #61 of 1162 🔗

And what was behind the idea that roast potatoes should be prohibited?

298137 ▶▶▶▶▶ wendyk, replying to kh1485, 7, #62 of 1162 🔗

I think that was an ovarian cancer scare,along with crisps and burnt toast.

A particularly nasty claim, given that this cancer is a hidden killer.

These dodgy assertions just fuel the fearful obsessions which are ruining societies.

298141 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ kh1485, replying to wendyk, 24, #63 of 1162 🔗

Well the health zealots best not visit me, either at work or at home. Most of my customers ask for their crumpets to be “cremated” (I issue my usual warning – the one I got from the Environmental Health – the customers think I’m joking!). And at home I use dripping and lard for cooking.

Amusing thing was (in fact the only amusing aspect) from the recent visit from the EHO is that you couldn’t have envisaged a more unhealthy exponent of ‘Public Health’. This is bitchy, but this woman nearly had me carted off to hospital against my wishes, so what the hell. But I can tell you, she was no stranger to the biscuit tin!

298148 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ annie, replying to kh1485, 9, #64 of 1162 🔗

kh, you are obviously not aware of the mortal danger posed by the Flabby Crumpet, the Pale Brown Toast, the Uncremated Cookie, and the Soft Sally Lunn. You must register immediately for the online Covid Safe Baked Goods course.

298149 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ kh1485, replying to annie, 4, #65 of 1162 🔗

Oh, Annie, don’t give them ideas!

298151 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ annie, replying to kh1485, 4, #66 of 1162 🔗

Run it yourself, and charge a very large fee!

298147 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ annie, replying to wendyk, 7, #67 of 1162 🔗

No, it was the mortal danger of helping yourself to a potato from the sane dish as another filthy, contaminated biohazard, aka human being. Applies particularly to Scotland.

298175 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ wendyk, replying to annie, 2, #68 of 1162 🔗

I missed that one!

298146 ▶▶▶▶▶ karenovirus, replying to kh1485, 1, #69 of 1162 🔗

Catastrophic Carbon Contamination.

298386 ▶▶▶ Alan P, replying to kh1485, 5, #70 of 1162 🔗

When I first read it I thought it was true! Shows no matter how mad it sounds anything’s believable….

298138 ▶▶ Richard O, replying to Cecil B, 8, #71 of 1162 🔗

Should a ne’er-do-well stray west of Offa’s Dyke, thence shall come his undoing. For there be no pleasures in that strange excrescence o’th’ main Isle. Only mutton, and darkness. All Ye who venture near this pass hath been warned.

298150 ▶▶▶ annie, replying to Richard O, 8, #72 of 1162 🔗

For lo, there standeth on the border a Posse with a flaming cheek, turning its Anglophobia this way and that, to guard the path to the land of the Cymruzombie.

298153 ▶▶▶▶ Richard O, replying to annie, 7, #73 of 1162 🔗

And thus didst the guardians of Cambria welcome their end. ‘Twas a pitiful sight.

298142 ▶▶ TC, replying to Cecil B, 6, #74 of 1162 🔗

The only Welshman I know has lived in England for 40 years but is amazingly compliant with Covid regs and vocal about it when asked or even not asked.
He plans not to really leave his house except for the odd walk,it seems,until he’s had the vaccine.
Is he typical of Welsh people? I find it hard to believe but how does the Welsh government get away with itt’s hard core attitude to Covid? Is it because the Welsh NHS is poor and needs extra cossetting?

298154 ▶▶▶ annie, replying to TC, 13, #75 of 1162 🔗

The Welsh NHS is notoriously dreadful. Our health centre in Tenby has been in chaos for years, and has no GP,
The Welsh zombies are worse than the English ones, and the Stalinist Politburo is worse than England’s Fascist junta. To all the usual cruelties, it adds hatred of alcohol, and rampant Anglophobia. And the useless Senedd has not a single dissenting voice. All parties join to sing the praises of Tortoise Stalin. Like those dreadful Russian films of ovations that went on for hours because nobody dared to be the first to stop clapping.

298168 ▶▶▶▶ TC, replying to annie, 3, #76 of 1162 🔗

That is truly depressing to hear.
Good luck and ponder on the vagaries of democratic outcomes as I presume this shower was voted in.

298630 ▶▶▶▶▶ annie, replying to TC, 2, #77 of 1162 🔗

By the few who bothered to vote, yes. Not one Welsh
person in fifty knows the name of his/her AS (Assembly Member).

Dungford is, of course, unelected. Nobody knew his name either until he suddenly morphed into Tortoise Stalin with absolute power to destroy our lives.

298182 ▶▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to annie, 6, #78 of 1162 🔗

Very sad to hear this. I’ve always thought that Wales was better than Scotland, looks like that ain’t true.

What is it about the Celts? I’m reminded of Dave Allen taking the piss out of the fire and brimstone that comes out of Scotland, Ireland and Wales.

298184 ▶▶▶▶ Mr Dee, replying to annie, 6, #79 of 1162 🔗

The difference in attitude between your region of Wales , Pembrokeshire, and the Wrexham area is fascinating. What’s the key difference? Wrexham county, apart from the bits that slide past Offa’s Dyke towards Cheshire (very affluent), is working class – a former mining area. Tough, no nonsense but very friendly people, I find. Still quite a close-knit community.

298633 ▶▶▶▶▶ annie, replying to Mr Dee, 2, #80 of 1162 🔗

Lots of retired numpties in Pembs.

298266 ▶▶▶▶ jb12, replying to annie, 1, #81 of 1162 🔗

It sounds like Scotland.

298177 ▶▶▶ Mr Dee, replying to TC, 9, #82 of 1162 🔗

No. Not in my experience in North East Wales. Except for my mum who’s been driven hysterical by the bastard BBC. Most of my relatives and wife’s relatives, my friends, neighbours, and random acquaintances don’t take the Covid regs seriously. Most pay lip service to them for an easy life (I’m talking about the masks here). Maybe I’m just lucky. If I avoid all media for a week, apart from the masks in shops, I wouldn’t even know we were supposed to be in a pandemic.

298198 ▶▶▶▶ RickH, replying to Mr Dee, 13, #83 of 1162 🔗

“my mum who’s been driven hysterical by the bastard BBC.”

This is the point. It’s no good just berating ‘believers’ – many are genuinely scared by this wall of propaganda.

298205 ▶▶▶▶▶ Judy Watson, replying to RickH, 5, #84 of 1162 🔗

Sad but very true.

298269 ▶▶▶▶▶ jb12, replying to RickH, 3, #85 of 1162 🔗

They can be berated for believing the Thinking Box; age is no excuse.

298246 ▶▶▶▶ The Spingler, replying to Mr Dee, 9, #86 of 1162 🔗

I don’t believe people in The Valleys are paying much attention to the rules either. They are made of stern stuff, having had to survive the devastation brought by Thatcher and all the deprivation that followed, and still does.

298282 ▶▶▶▶▶ Cecil B, replying to The Spingler, #87 of 1162 🔗

Apologies to TS, I accidently down voted this when I intended to give it an upvote, the site won’t let me change it

298315 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Mr Dee, replying to Cecil B, 3, #88 of 1162 🔗

Upvoted Spingler on your behalf. There you go. Now I need to ask someone else to upvote for me…

298673 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Cecil B, replying to Mr Dee, -2, #89 of 1162 🔗

Done

298300 ▶▶▶ Pancho the Grey, replying to TC, 2, #90 of 1162 🔗

Has he addressed the conundrum of getting to the vaccination centre safely?

298169 ▶▶ Mr Dee, replying to Cecil B, 8, #91 of 1162 🔗

I actually had to read this twice to see if it was true or not. Satire has become ‘reality’, ‘reality’ satire.

298171 ▶▶▶ Marialta, replying to Mr Dee, 2, #92 of 1162 🔗

Me too!!!!

298178 ▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to Cecil B, 3, #93 of 1162 🔗

Is this for real???

That Welsh Stalin wannabe is taking the mickey isn’t he?

One who should have the Code of Hammurabi thrown at him.

298635 ▶▶▶ annie, replying to Bart Simpson, 3, #94 of 1162 🔗

As that Code was written on a large lump of stone, I agree.

298299 ▶▶ Pancho the Grey, replying to Cecil B, 4, #95 of 1162 🔗

Piling on the agony?

298636 ▶▶▶ annie, replying to Pancho the Grey, #96 of 1162 🔗

Hellian-backed with a good dunderfelt..

299040 ▶▶ Lili, replying to Cecil B, #97 of 1162 🔗

It shows how mad they are that I was nearly taken in by that first sentence.

298120 karenovirus, replying to karenovirus, 6, #98 of 1162 🔗

“Pandemonium shall bestride the lands
Great contagion outwits all foolish progress of Europa.
A man Hannercuck doth arise to heal the nations with sly concoctions
He thinks he shall be King tho the Clown knows better”

Bozos’ mistranslation of a newly found Nostradamus Quatrain.

298123 ▶▶ Cecil B, replying to karenovirus, 1, #99 of 1162 🔗

Didn’t he predict the rise of Simon Cowell?

298126 ▶▶ Cecil B, replying to karenovirus, 1, #100 of 1162 🔗

Shouldn’t it read ‘Sky concoctions ‘?

298133 kh1485, replying to kh1485, 30, #101 of 1162 🔗

Good news about the Bob cartoons but how depressing that it needed the intervention of the FSU.

Just voted. Favourites were the one featured ATL (especially the depiction of Whitty). The one that hits home most for me is the one that acurately depicts the cruelty of all this – the one of the little boy reaching out for his grandmother while being forcibly carted off by plod.

298143 ▶▶ annie, replying to kh1485, 14, #102 of 1162 🔗

Yes, that one brought a lump to my throat. But for me, it was the desolate high street with the padlock decorations that brought out the real misery of the Fascist bollox.
Bib is magnificent.

298160 ▶▶▶ annie, replying to annie, 4, #103 of 1162 🔗

Sorry, Bob! Astigmatism strikes again.

298287 ▶▶▶▶ TheOriginalBlackPudding, replying to annie, 2, #104 of 1162 🔗

Or maybe even dyslocksia?

298305 ▶▶ PastImperfect, replying to kh1485, #105 of 1162 🔗

I have seen a few of these cartoons, but where are they published?

298136 karenovirus, replying to karenovirus, 12, #107 of 1162 🔗

From the main text, Schools to end term online only.

“This is an opportunity to allow students to adapt to learning online”

Adapt? There is only one reason why people adapt so it implies they mean it to be ongoing going forward*.

*’in the future’ for elderly readers.

298161 ▶▶ PoshPanic, replying to karenovirus, 9, #108 of 1162 🔗

I’m still waiting for the shock, horror from the mumsnet brigade, when they realise their kiddies screen time is through the roof.

298170 ▶▶▶ Marialta, replying to PoshPanic, 9, #109 of 1162 🔗

Yes, exactly. Even the sore issue of too much screen time has somehow been airbrushed out when it comes to ‘education.’
Covid Really is God.

298199 ▶▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to Marialta, 15, #110 of 1162 🔗

Agree. Funny how no-one is raising the alarm over the stunting of child development during this insanity,

All those concerns about too much screen time, the dangers of over sanitising, negative effects on neurolinguistic development, etc have been thrown out of the nearest airlock.

There will be hell to pay when these kids grow up.

298380 ▶▶▶▶▶ Two-Six, replying to Bart Simpson, 12, #111 of 1162 🔗

There will. COVID Bollocks is really going to do some pretty significant things to young people. Things that as a human race we have never experienced before.

COVID really is transformative. As it is supposed to be. 1% virus, 99% global psy-op.

What the hell is wrong with people that can’t see this. This is terrifying
bastards

298730 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to Two-Six, 4, #112 of 1162 🔗

It baffles me frankly. My sister has two kids – aged 3 and 5 and seeing them from their mother’s anti-social media page makes me weep.

“Going” to school in front of a computer, muzzled and visored up, unable to see their maternal grandparents for 6 months, unable to see their friends; its a recipe for disaster.

Won’t be surprised if they do develop problems along the line.

298455 ▶▶▶▶▶ MiriamW-sometimes-AlanG, replying to Bart Simpson, 4, #113 of 1162 🔗

….if they’re able to.
AG

298195 ▶▶▶ RickH, replying to PoshPanic, 10, #114 of 1162 🔗

Actually – a serious problem. What is going to fill a high proportion of the time for kids (even those with inventive parents) who have been deprived of the majority of their normal social interaction?

298197 ▶▶ chaos, replying to karenovirus, 8, #115 of 1162 🔗

Won’t work.. without deadlines, discipline, punishment, and peers.. half the kids or more will flounder.

298251 ▶▶ Just about sane, replying to karenovirus, 9, #116 of 1162 🔗

It won’t work with a lot of schools. My 12 year old grandson is in isolation because of someone testing positive. The school he is supposed to attend must be the badliest run school in the country. Two weeks later and he still has not been able to sign in online to get any of the school work. The school has been called numerous times with promises of a return phonecall, they never happen.

I should have expected this from the start as I was the one who collected him from school on the day he and a few of his classmates were removed from class and put in the main hall with 2 other classes at 9.15 am. My grandson called his dad to collect him and when my son phoned the school to verify he was told on two separate occasions that they hadn’t received any information regarding this.

His dad phoned him back and asked to speak to the teacher in the hall with them, to be informed there was no teacher in with them, someone pops there head in occasionally.
I was the nearest so I was asked to collect him.

I arrived home with my grandson at 10:30am and while he was on the phone to his mum to reassure her he was OK, the school called his mum to inform her her son was being put into isolation and needed collected, she hung up the phone as she said the next words out of her mouth were not pleasant.

So if the education department thinks that this is a way forward, my grandchildren will receive no education.

298139 james cook, replying to james cook, 113, #117 of 1162 🔗

I am an NHS registered nurse and my hospital trust is now strongly encouraging twice weekly lateral flow tests for all its frontline staff (which I have politely declined). Interesting though how they use lateral flow tests for health carers (which has a low false positive rate) but continue to use PCR for the pubic (which has a high false positive rate). Its a win win for the government – less health workers requiring to isolate, whist still maintaining a casedemic that justifies tier 3 restrictions. Clever.

298145 ▶▶ Steve Martindale, replying to james cook, 58, #118 of 1162 🔗

I was in Barnstaple the other day and saw they had set up a Covid test centre at the back of the car park by the swimming pool. It looked about as official and convincing as one of these pop up car washes and to add to that effect 4 members of the staff were outside having their smoking break. I would not have trusted that centre to wash my car let alone test me for a disease.

298152 ▶▶▶ Eliza P., replying to Steve Martindale, 11, #119 of 1162 🔗

Swop you carpark useless looking test centres – I’ll take your Barnstaple one and you can have the one in Cardigan (Wales). Not sure the public would notice the difference either way – as there are darn all people visiting ours after the first day (just as well – as they do seem to be searching hard here for “evidence” to justify Having Things Worse in Wales).

298156 ▶▶▶▶ annie, replying to Eliza P., 7, #120 of 1162 🔗

We certainly have more testing in Wales. I understand that they are coming for the cola even as we speak.

298437 ▶▶▶▶▶ Dodderydude, replying to annie, 5, #121 of 1162 🔗

I drove past the testing centre at the former Deeside Leisure Centre at Connah’s Quay mid-afternoon yesterday. Saw about half a dozen people in hi-viz jackets milling about but no sign of any private vehicles or pedestrians.

298158 ▶▶▶ annie, replying to Steve Martindale, 17, #122 of 1162 🔗

I bet your car would test positive.

298194 ▶▶▶▶ chaos, replying to annie, 13, #123 of 1162 🔗

Have you seen the social media videos e.g. YouTube where people test all kinds of objects (or test nothing at all) and the results come back positive? The Tanzanian government smelled a rat and so sent off swabs from a pawpaw fruit, goat and engine oil.. all came back positive.

298166 ▶▶▶ PoshPanic, replying to Steve Martindale, 2, #124 of 1162 🔗

Would love to have seen a photo of that!

298189 ▶▶▶ chaos, replying to Steve Martindale, 6, #125 of 1162 🔗

The people who staff these centres remind me of the chain gang crooks you sometimes see out doing community service.

298192 ▶▶ RickH, replying to james cook, 9, #126 of 1162 🔗

As has been said, we’re into the data being made to fit the narrative rather than informing it.

298259 ▶▶ TJS123, replying to james cook, 9, #127 of 1162 🔗

Me too – a box was left on my desk. It’s done in your own time at home, and you have to upload the results. What is the point of wasting time uploading negative results – surely they should only be interested in the positives? Funnily enough a whole tranche of senior management are off with, supposedly, the bug while we frontliners who are probably much more exposed to it through our pointless masks and develop immunity, have been fine…

298293 ▶▶▶ TheOriginalBlackPudding, replying to TJS123, 3, #128 of 1162 🔗

Useful to know the number of -ve results as it would show the infection rate within the tested population. In a health care setting I would argue that could be useful for early identification of trends in nosocomial infection.

298533 ▶▶▶ thinkaboutit, replying to TJS123, 1, #129 of 1162 🔗

So if you want to have time off you mark your own homework. Only a publicly funded twit could have developed that system.

298371 ▶▶ Two-Six, replying to james cook, #130 of 1162 🔗

Clever? EVIL more like.

298155 PoshPanic, replying to PoshPanic, 7, #131 of 1162 🔗

Anna Soubry, with a masked avatar, expects the gubment to cancel New Years eve…

https://twitter.com/Anna_Soubry/status/1337525740989009922

298159 ▶▶ kh1485, replying to PoshPanic, 4, #132 of 1162 🔗

She’s a barrister? Blimey.

298163 ▶▶▶ PoshPanic, replying to kh1485, 7, #133 of 1162 🔗

I was thinking more on the lines of complete bastard

299032 ▶▶▶ TheOriginalBlackPudding, replying to kh1485, #134 of 1162 🔗

Sometimes. It depends on her intake of gin.

298162 ▶▶ Richard O, replying to PoshPanic, 9, #135 of 1162 🔗

Citizen Khan cancelled New Year’s Eve in London back in July. The data sources for his confidence in such a magnificent decision were clearly….magnificent.

298327 ▶▶ Alec in France, replying to PoshPanic, 14, #136 of 1162 🔗

‘Jupiter’ has already cancelled New Year’s Eve here in France – from 15 December the 20:00 – 06:00 curfew applies, the only exception is Christmas Eve (the main event), with a maximum of “6 at the table”.

During the occupation, Hitler’s curfew started at 21:00!

Interesting extract from Wikipedia article on the German military administration:

“…numerous regulations, censorship and propaganda made the occupation increasingly unbearable. At night, inhabitants had to abide a curfew and it was forbidden to go out during the night without an Ausweis… The experience of the Occupation was a deeply psychologically disorienting one for the French as what was once familiar and safe suddenly become strange and threatening.”

Sounds familiar?

298334 ▶▶ arfurmo, replying to PoshPanic, 4, #137 of 1162 🔗

Frankly in tier 2 or 3 there’s not much you can do anyway.

299033 ▶▶ TheOriginalBlackPudding, replying to PoshPanic, 1, #138 of 1162 🔗

She can carry on wearing that mask for as long as she likes. The rest of us can be thankful for the small mercy of never having to see her face again. (Miaaaow!)

298157 Fingerache Philip., replying to Fingerache Philip., 5, #139 of 1162 🔗

You know what we are up against when surely one of the worst,boring and twee songs (Christmas or otherwise) by M C tops ( whatever that means nowadays) the charts.
Is it any wonder that the majority of our people are compliant sheep if that is their taste in music?
Start the day miserable and you are set up for the whole day.

298185 ▶▶ chaos, replying to Fingerache Philip., 18, #140 of 1162 🔗

I was just thinking what soulless times we live in. Most people don’t own a stereo system now e.g. hifi, midi or mini system. It’s all crappy soundbars now or a cruddy wireless speaker. There’s plenty of great rock and metal and electronica and funk.. but noone knows what is in the charts or cares. right up to the 90’s our society was very musical e.g. mods, rockers, punk, metal, soul, hip hop, raves. But today even our young people all look the same. Same preppy instagram celebrity look check. Same skinny jeans check. Same fade haircuts check. Same pouty duck lips check. Same viewpoints check.

298193 ▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to chaos, 14, #141 of 1162 🔗

even our young now all look the same. Preppy instagram look check. Skinny jeans check. Same haircuts check. Same viewpoints check.

And even when they post photos of themselves, it the same pose all of them – same trout pouts, head of side, one hand on hip.

Now of course that they’re muzzled its the same dead behind the eyes look.

298219 ▶▶▶▶ bluemoon, replying to Bart Simpson, 4, #142 of 1162 🔗

And the strange yellow make up the girls slap on. I don’t get that look at all.

298225 ▶▶▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to bluemoon, 2, #143 of 1162 🔗

Really odd agree.

298307 ▶▶▶▶▶ Caroline Watson, replying to bluemoon, 3, #144 of 1162 🔗

And the bizarre eyebrows!

298352 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Two-Six, replying to Caroline Watson, 5, #145 of 1162 🔗

OMG THE EYEBROWS……
Young ladies eyebrows are now bordering on scary…..
Who on earth told them drawing on your eyebrows was a good idea.

298539 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ thinkaboutit, replying to Two-Six, 2, #146 of 1162 🔗

They will look back at those photos in 30 years and wonder what hallucinogenic substance they were on.

298711 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Two-Six, replying to thinkaboutit, 2, #147 of 1162 🔗

I do actually think weird lady’s eyebrows are actually to do with something a bit like schizophrenia.

Almost that they hallucinating when they paint em on. I used to work in an old school mental asylum and one lady there, very schizophrenic, had the strangest make up.

I am sure it made sense to her when she put it on. Honestly it was very bizarre, I asked one of the nurses about it and they said it was due to her hallucinations and self image. Strange.

298818 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Sophie123, replying to Two-Six, 2, #148 of 1162 🔗

Ha! I had wondered about the marker pen brows. Mystifying.

298204 ▶▶▶ Fingerache Philip., replying to chaos, 5, #149 of 1162 🔗

Know what you mean, chaos; back in the 90’s we lived in Stourbridge and for a brief shining moment, Stourbridge music had its time in the sun.
The Wonder stuff, Pop will eat itself and Ned’s atomic dustbin all had chart success (The Stourbridge sound).
Clint Mansell of PWEI has gone on to be a successful film music composer in Hollywood.
I think that popular music went downhill fast with the advent of the Spice girls (do you want to be a pop star, if so, ring this number) and the god awful Simon Cowell and his trivialisation of music.
True music comes from the “street”; Paul McCartney’s kitchen (and before, obviously) onwards.

298295 ▶▶▶▶ Spikedee1, replying to Fingerache Philip., 6, #150 of 1162 🔗

Aaah the eternal gripe of modern, auto tuned music. Yes if you lived in the 70’s 80’s our music was better, the groups more interesting and they were fashion icons too. BUT, please don’t think there is no good music being made now. For rock look up black stone cherry and rival sons and blacktop mojo, for pop go to the fabulous pretty reckless or paramour. For girl singers look at no sinner and halestorm. Then first a bit if country rock look at BlackBerry smoke. If you want to lose yourself in beautiful vocals listen to James Vincent Mcmorrow first album early in the morning.

298347 ▶▶▶▶▶ Fingerache Philip., replying to Spikedee1, 2, #151 of 1162 🔗

No problem there, Spike, our teenage granddaughters keep us informed about the present music scene.

298363 ▶▶▶▶▶ Two-Six, replying to Spikedee1, 5, #152 of 1162 🔗

Radio One young person music sounds like something that gets played to Guantanamo inmates. Honestly I find something in it that I can’t quite put my finger on, almost a subliminal, something that really seems like musical propaganda, some common thread that I find really strange.
I honestly can’t listen to it, it’s like musical poison.

ALso this kind of music style is very formulaeic, if you listen to normie young person music from all over the world it sounds like this, auto-tuned bollocks in another language.

Honestly I think there is something about young person music that is actually weaponised….

298389 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Two-Six, 1, #153 of 1162 🔗

Like my dad used to say ‘there’s no melody and you can’t hear the words’.

298408 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Two-Six, replying to karenovirus, 2, #154 of 1162 🔗

“The only reason you old people don’t understand our music IS BECAUSE YOU DON’T LIKE IT!”
“Rick” the Young Ones 1982

298425 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ David Grimbleby, replying to Two-Six, 1, #155 of 1162 🔗

Didn’t he like Cliff?

299038 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ TheOriginalBlackPudding, replying to karenovirus, 1, #156 of 1162 🔗

It’s all rhythm at the expense of line and melody. And the rhythm is computer-generated, so no great talent required beyond self-promotion.

298424 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ David Grimbleby, replying to Two-Six, #157 of 1162 🔗

Agreed

298421 ▶▶▶▶ Mabel Cow, replying to Fingerache Philip., #158 of 1162 🔗

From my point of view, one of the few good things to come out of the internet era has been streaming music.

It’s probably shit for the musicians themselves, but I do enjoy being able to pick from three hundred years of music at will. Only yesterday I was listening to early Poppies stuff, then some of Clint Mansell’s soundtrack work (the Moon OST is always good for making me sad), then some Mozart, then German new wave, then the Dead Kennedys, and so on.

When I think back to the 80s and 90s and the pathetic selection of music that was available in the shops, I really don’t miss it. In no universe would I have gone out and bought Five Leaves Left , but now it’s one of my favourites.

Then again, they could just take it all away from me at a stroke and then I’d have nothing. I’ll probably need to be vaccinated to sign in to Amazon soon.

298508 ▶▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Fingerache Philip., 1, #159 of 1162 🔗

There has always been some pretty dire pop music. Listen to a lot of the stuff from the 50s. Positively teeth-curling.

As Pevsner ruefully observed, bad taste is popular.

299043 ▶▶▶▶ Lili, replying to Fingerache Philip., #160 of 1162 🔗

I loved Pop Will Eat Itself. ‘Sweet Sweet Pie’ is a tune and a half.

298423 ▶▶▶ David Grimbleby, replying to chaos, 1, #161 of 1162 🔗

Seems old style rock became tame and lacking in the spirit of say ‘ Bullet in The Head ‘by Rage Against the Machine, the very old rockers are too rich to care anymore it all, leaves a vacuum for anodyne pop lite shite to manifest.

298430 ▶▶ Nobody2020, replying to Fingerache Philip., 2, #162 of 1162 🔗

The Kevin Bacon film “Footloose” was about a small town Reverand’s ban on music and the main character’s attempts to overturn it.

Quite apt considering the situation we’re in.

3…2…1…

Everybody cut loose…

298164 Laurence, replying to Laurence, 7, #163 of 1162 🔗

I’m afraid even Neville Hodgkinson is exaggerating the extent of the damage caused by this virus.

He says deaths are up around a fifth to the year to October compared to the last 5 years.

Up to 27 November, we had 554,919 deaths in total this year (England and Wales) compared to 490,182 average for the last five years, an increase of 13.2%.

However, this is not a meaningful comparison. There are 7,712,000 over 70s in the UK this year compared to an average of 7,120,000 in the average of the last five years. Once you adjust for this the excess deaths for the year to 27 November is 23,903, an increase of 4.5% – some pandemic !

298167 ▶▶ PoshPanic, replying to Laurence, 7, #164 of 1162 🔗

That 23,903, is very close to the number of non covid excess deaths is it not?

298180 ▶▶▶ Laurence, replying to PoshPanic, 6, #165 of 1162 🔗

Since emergency procedures are down by nearly 50% (about 80,000 per week) it would be amazing if the non- COVID excess deaths were much less than this. So how many have died because of the pandemic and not because of government idiocy ?!

298173 ▶▶ Steve Martindale, replying to Laurence, 8, #166 of 1162 🔗

Having regard to my wildlife and conservation work I would argue that when you talk about deaths you should also talk about births, by my calculations;
Total live births Jan – Sept 2020 England & Wales 464,437
Total registered deaths Jan-Sept 2020 England & Wales 453,803
Which means there were 10,634 more live births than registered deaths.
In wildlife conservation terms if a population has more births than deaths then you would tend to think things were doing well and the population was in an active healthy state. Plenty of new young dynamic lives coming into the population, all looking good, nothing too much to worry about.

298354 ▶▶▶ calchas, replying to Steve Martindale, 1, #167 of 1162 🔗

The next few weeks will see the births of the first babies conceived since the beginning of lockdown.

I predict a collapse in the birth rate to lowest ever levels.

298355 ▶▶▶ calchas, replying to Steve Martindale, 1, #168 of 1162 🔗

The next few weeks will see the births of the first babies conceived since the beginning of lockdown.

I predict a collapse in the birth rate to lowest ever levels.

298393 ▶▶▶▶ karenovirus, replying to calchas, #169 of 1162 🔗

That was the consensus on the Jeremy Vine show when they discussed it once or twice.

299241 ▶▶▶▶▶ Borisbullshit, replying to karenovirus, #170 of 1162 🔗

Remember JHB blubbing back in March that there was going to be a baby boom lol.

298443 ▶▶▶▶ Dodderydude, replying to calchas, 1, #171 of 1162 🔗

But puppy ownership has rocketed!

298832 ▶▶▶▶▶ Cheshirecatslave, replying to Dodderydude, 1, #172 of 1162 🔗

I know several people who have adopted cats and dogs since March. I’ve 4 cats already whom I’m grateful for.

298181 ▶▶ RickH, replying to Laurence, 14, #173 of 1162 🔗

The five year moving average is anyway entirely misleading as a baseline, since it covers a period of historically low mortality.

Sorry to keep banging on about this, but the use of random short periods to define ‘excess’ deaths is nonsense – and is the reason I have used a quarter of a century to give some proper perspective. A really good insight into this is given by the 100+ years graph of Swedish all-cause mortality, which has appeared here again recently. One glance tells you all you need to know about trends.

In terms of the recent UK trend in mortality, we have been (since 1993) experiencing a sine-wave, whereby, at the start of the period, mortality was relatively high, but declined to a minimum in the last decade, and now shows signs (pun intended) of an upturn through 2020 and possibly beyond – but within an overall downward trend over a longer period.

The point is that short-term perturbations are beside the point, and that 2019/2020 is nothing unusual – NOTHING like the ‘Spanish ‘flu epidemic spike when corrected for population. Again – look at the long-term Swedish data to vividly illustrate the point.

Another issue that needs to be taken into account, and which is a factor that has recently gained more traction – is the inter-relationship of mortality in succeeding years (the ‘dry tinder’ effect), whereby low mortality in one year is balanced by higher mortality in the next, and vice-versa. Again this underlines the folly of looking at short-term, simplistic comparisons.

I guess the key question remains – are those who keep banging on about the numbers showing disaster being venal and misleading – or are they just stupidly innumerate at the most basic level of statistical analysis?

298190 ▶▶▶ Laurence, replying to RickH, 3, #174 of 1162 🔗

I agree, this is nothing on a long term graph. However, the only reason for going back a shorter time is that medical advances mean expected death rates are in a secular as opposed to cyclical decline. However, since 2010 that has had relatively little effect.

298212 ▶▶▶▶ RickH, replying to Laurence, 4, #175 of 1162 🔗

Yes, Laurence – I agree. Which is why I (accidentally to some extent) arrived at 25 years as being a just balance in terms of time-span.

Certainly, the commonly accepted 5-year moving average is way too short to give a representative overview – in essence, it just gives a sampling of the immediate trend.

298215 ▶▶▶▶▶ Laurence, replying to RickH, 2, #176 of 1162 🔗

And more importantly it is not comparing like populations

298350 ▶▶▶▶ Mark, replying to Laurence, 2, #177 of 1162 🔗

Interestingly, as has recently been highlighted, the opposite is true in the US. There they have recently had year on year rises in both death rate and population, meaning that there would have been increases over the 5 year average regardless. When this is taken into account, it turns out there has been no significant increase in deaths this year overall.

That seems to have been the defining feature of the “once in a lifetime pandemic” this year almost everywhere – little if any increase over expected deaths, overall.

298388 ▶▶▶ ChrisDinBristol, replying to RickH, #178 of 1162 🔗

My guess is that it’s former. ‘Both’ cannot be excluded. . .

298165 karenovirus, replying to karenovirus, 11, #179 of 1162 🔗

Local Live (mirror group news) at it again.

‘Covid cases In Nightingale rise in past week’

That is the headline which people will remember. The actual story is that Covid admissions in all other County hospitals are down because they are being sent to the Nightingale and overall hospitalizations are down 10%.

298187 ▶▶ Ben, replying to karenovirus, 10, #180 of 1162 🔗

The media is the virus

298356 ▶▶▶ Spikedee1, replying to Ben, 4, #181 of 1162 🔗

We should put that on a t-shirt Ben.

298401 ▶▶▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Spikedee1, 1, #182 of 1162 🔗

Should put this in a t-shirt . From LS couple of days ago, I’ve shown it to a few people very effectively.

298410 ▶▶▶ Two-Six, replying to Ben, 3, #183 of 1162 🔗

The Virus is a Mind Virus.

298179 Ben, replying to Ben, 14, #184 of 1162 🔗

Free Speech Union – my heroes

What about politicians who’ve suddenly been given the power of Roman Emperors. How does Drakeford hold such power as to be able to impose tyranny over the Welsh people?

That’s not democracy

298207 ▶▶ RickH, replying to Ben, 8, #185 of 1162 🔗

I think this is the underlying question when all the rest has been dealt with. What is true democracy – and how does it protect itself from usurpation by snake-oil salesmen (political and scientific) who manage to get hold of certain levers of power?

298240 ▶▶▶ matt, replying to RickH, 22, #186 of 1162 🔗

The western world has already conceded that all of the things we used to think of as “rights” were in fact only ever “permissions”. I see no obvious route back to a place where the population doesn’t feel it’s right and proper that the government should be able to tell us who we can meet, how many of them, when, where and how and what forms of economic activity we’re allowed to engage in.

The most fundamental problem is that an apparently overwhelming majority isn’t even questioning that governments are right to do this (much less that they _have_ the right to do this).

This is the reason that arguing about the data is, ultimately, hopeless. There’s no point in saying “things aren’t bad enough to justify the total destruction of society and removal or curtailment of every single one of our freedoms” because what we should be saying is “it could never be bad enough to justify this.”

298362 ▶▶▶▶ Mark, replying to matt, 3, #187 of 1162 🔗

A dramatic shift of basic attitudes is required to prevent the precedents set this miserable year becoming the established norms for future behaviour.

Nice to see you back around, matt (assuming you are the old matt, which I think you probably are based on that comment). Did you spend some time away, or have I just not been paying attention?

298439 ▶▶▶▶▶ matt, replying to Mark, 6, #188 of 1162 🔗

I think it’s just as salient to wonder how the dramatic shift in attitudes that allowed this situation to occur in the first place was shaped. If you’d asked people 12 months ago whether governments should be allowed to dictate our lives in this way – independent of the apparent circumstances – I’m quite sure that almost nobody would have said that they should. But I’m also sure that almost all of them would have been lying to themselves and they in fact were already willing to see it happen.

And thanks, glad to be back. I took some time away, because I was getting a bit obsessive about the site. It’s been a useful break and I’ve still been reading the daily updates and thinking hard. Nice to see the familiar names still here and the number of active new names!

298474 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Mark, replying to matt, #189 of 1162 🔗

Be grateful if you’d drop me an email, matt (see last pm). Something I’d like to run by you.

298511 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ matt, replying to Mark, #190 of 1162 🔗

Mail sent. Apologies – I missed the PM as I hadn’t been checking (as you guessed). If the mail doesn’t turn up, let me know here or by PM (and I’ll keep an eye on them).

298398 ▶▶▶ Jonathan Palmer, replying to RickH, 7, #191 of 1162 🔗

Decline and Fall is baked into any empire.Once a certain standard of living is reached then decadence follows.This pattern has been repeated throughout history.It is just our misfortune to live in such a time.

298226 ▶▶ annie, replying to Ben, 1, #192 of 1162 🔗

Because the zombies let him.

298326 ▶▶▶ kf99, replying to annie, 4, #193 of 1162 🔗

At some point, a devolved leader went from being “responsible for certain specified areas of the public sector” (1997) to being “responsible for the entirity of peoples’ lives within your nation/region boundaries” (2020).

We certainly didn’t get a vote on that

298441 ▶▶▶▶ karenovirus, replying to kf99, 4, #194 of 1162 🔗

Ancient Greek city states would sometimes grant dictatorial powers for a limited period, to win a war for example. If the dictator abused his powers he could be prosecuted and exiled or put to death.

298542 ▶▶▶▶▶ JanMasarykMunich, replying to karenovirus, 3, #195 of 1162 🔗

An excellent practice that needs to be revived. Urgently.

298435 ▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Ben, 1, #196 of 1162 🔗

Did Drakeford pass an Enabling Act to rule by Diktat like bozo did copying Hitler.

299235 ▶▶ Jo Dominich -, replying to Ben, 1, #197 of 1162 🔗

By the gross misuse of emergency powers ando the use of Statutory Instrumentso which by pass parliamentaRyanair scrutiny.

298186 Laurence, replying to Laurence, 22, #198 of 1162 🔗

My son pointed out that promising research into Alzheimer’s, that most horrific condition that is one of the country’s biggest killers year after year but destroys people even when they are alive, has been called off because of the concentration on COVID, which is no worse than a bad flu (see below).

How sick can our society and government get ? I hope the tiny number of people saved by the vaccines appreciate how many people have died to save them.

298224 ▶▶ annie, replying to Laurence, 1, #199 of 1162 🔗

Saved?

298468 ▶▶▶ Mutineer, replying to annie, 4, #200 of 1162 🔗

Culled.

298188 Steve Martindale, replying to Steve Martindale, 13, #201 of 1162 🔗

And your love light shines like cardboard
But your work shoes are glistening
She’s a PhD in “I told you so”
You’ve a knighthood in “I’m not listening” (Beautiful South, Don’t marry her)

The amount of erudite arguments, technical details and sound statistical analysis on this site is amazing and yet I find myself asking, ‘is anyone listening’? The sceptics and the zealots might as well be on different planets, they are effectively talking different incomprehensible languages, like a married couple in a dysfunctional broken down relationship.

They are panicking in Wales and London about dodgy test results (cases) which we are all pretty much agreed are meaningless drivel, Angela Merkel is in despair that the same number of people are dying in Germany as normally die in Germany. People ‘en-mass’ have bought into this mind bending, barking mad covid cult.
With Christmas in mind, the good book says, ‘And ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free. But how is that going to happen with this current virus hoo-haa? ‘At that instant, something like scales fell from Saul’s eyes, and his sight was restored. He got up and was baptized,’ who or what is going to make the scales fall from the eyes of everyone caught up in this madness? Sceptical MPs? they are too beholden to their covid fearing electorate, Nigel Farage? (he’s not the Messiah, he’s a very naughty boy). Back in the days of the Vietnam war it would have been the young people and the students. Perhaps it has all got to get worse before it gets better? or is their a solution?

298209 ▶▶ Tom Blackburn, replying to Steve Martindale, 11, #202 of 1162 🔗

The solution is to get on with your life. Don’t even engage the opposition at all. Play the game when you absolutely must.

298585 ▶▶ Ben, replying to Steve Martindale, 4, #203 of 1162 🔗

It would help if people were interested enough to try and discover what is driving all of this. But that takes inquisition and many are intellectually lazy or too afraid to consider frightening possibilities

I’m convinced it’s a combination of economic collapse and pharma/tech/government opportunism. These two videos confirm for me that it’s never been about a virus (a virus so deadly that we have to be tested to see if we have it or not)

Ernst Wolff – Corona: The Collapse of the System
https://m.youtube.com/watch?feature=youtu.be&v=8LYjOEib9iI

Reiner Fuellmich – ‘Crimes Against Humanity’
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=1k4-CcXb0sA

298196 Tom Blackburn, replying to Tom Blackburn, 19, #204 of 1162 🔗

This year has been like how I imagine living in a care home to be. Subject to bizarre routines and rituals that cannot be questioned, no matter how pointless they seem, because ‘thats the way it is done’. Failure to adapt will have you quickly labelled as someone who rocks the boat – particularly by your peers. Medical treatment delivered as/when, whether you want it or not. Severe restrictions on freedom, arguments over minor privileges being restored (eg. he/she got to watch the TV yesterday, it is my turn today). But worst of all the interminable, insufferable boring fuckers that you have to share your living space with talking about ailments 24/7.

298200 ▶▶ chaos, replying to Tom Blackburn, 25, #205 of 1162 🔗

A few years back I walked past a care home. I heard screams. I don’t want to be here. I want my home. Let me go. This continued.. I heard the sounds of staff, foreign accents.. trying to calm the man. The average length of stay in a care home is 2 years. These are the very last days of a person’s life. I am sure there must be good care homes. And some happy inmates. But I hope I am dead before I need one.

298220 ▶▶▶ annie, replying to chaos, 12, #206 of 1162 🔗

I’m going to make sure I am. They were purgatory before the bollox started.,Now they are hell.

298485 ▶▶▶▶ charleyfarley, replying to annie, 3, #207 of 1162 🔗

My solution? Will buy a very fast motorbike when I reach 70.

298231 ▶▶▶ Steve Martindale, replying to chaos, 17, #208 of 1162 🔗

My 91 year old aunt has told me she has a bottle of pills and if they come to drag her off to a care home the whole lot is going down along with something strong. I do not think she is alone in this thinking. The next generation of people getting old will have grown up singing along to ‘I hope i die before I get old’ I do not think there will be the same acceptance of being bundled off into a care home, especially after what has happened this year. Increasingly people will be more concerned about their healthy life expectancy rather than their overall life expectancy. When the medics tell people over 70 that they must stop drinking or they will die earlier, increasingly people are saying so what? I think this attitude might feed through to result in overall life expectancy falling as people seek to avoid the unhealthy stage of old age.

298277 ▶▶▶▶ CGL, replying to Steve Martindale, 10, #209 of 1162 🔗

Here for a good time, not a long time

299243 ▶▶▶▶▶ Borisbullshit, replying to CGL, #210 of 1162 🔗

The problem with long life is that the extra years come at the end!

298341 ▶▶▶▶ VickyA, replying to Steve Martindale, 6, #211 of 1162 🔗

Atul Gowande wrote a very good book on this subject “Being Mortal” where he argues this very thing. Quality of life rather than prolonging it at all cost.

298515 ▶▶▶▶▶ Just about sane, replying to VickyA, 5, #212 of 1162 🔗

We do this with dogs or at least I do.

298452 ▶▶▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Steve Martindale, 4, #213 of 1162 🔗

That’s what my grandad said, after a lifetime working in a provincial dockyard (and two World Wars) he was still enjoying his two bottles of Guinness and a packet of Capstan until he died in his 80’s.

298503 ▶▶▶▶ Ned of the Hills, replying to Steve Martindale, 6, #214 of 1162 🔗

A sound point. I don’t think this government, and other governments around the world, have done oldies like me any favours by making life decidedly less enjoyable just to ensure we have a slightly better chance of perhaps living another ten years – I’measily past three score and ten already.

I’m still healthy and fit enough to enjoy life pretty much as I have done for the last sixty years. I can’t expect many more such years – and this last year has been pretty much squandered courtesy of HMG.

298587 ▶▶▶▶▶ JanMasarykMunich, replying to Ned of the Hills, 1, #215 of 1162 🔗

Absolutely agree. Sums up the absurdity and tragedy of what has happened this year. The debate about longevity vs. quaity is a crucial one.

One underlying issue here is that there are economic interests at play here. Jared Diamond (in Collapse) argued there is an ‘overinvestment in end-of-life healthcare’. This is obviously a very morally tricky area. But one that should be discussed, I feel.

298569 ▶▶▶▶ Ben, replying to Steve Martindale, 4, #216 of 1162 🔗

The way the State assumes ownership over our bodies and our lives is never challenged. But we have a right to end our lives whenever we choose without giving a reason. That dignified methods to do this are refused by society is an indictment of society

298256 ▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to chaos, 5, #217 of 1162 🔗

Francis Fukuyama has made the point that the increase in the quality of life has not kept up with increased life expentancy. Politicians have decided that rather than to tackle the issue head on, they’ve just carried on kicking it into the long grass and so on and so forth. I predict that after this current crisis is over, more and more people will take matters into their own hands. Especially as the likes of a good pension scheme is becoming a thing of the past.

298453 ▶▶▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Bart Simpson, 4, #218 of 1162 🔗

It’s an informal discussion I’ve had with several medics over the years, they generally agree, in private.

298294 ▶▶▶ Jo Dominich -, replying to chaos, 6, #219 of 1162 🔗

The truth is that these days very few people should need to go into a care home. However it is a standard NHSBC prescription for elDerby people who are a bit frail or require regular District Nurse services. The NHS bully the older person and their family into going into a home purely so as not to have to employ more community nurses or expend any of their resources on the elderly.

To put this in context prior to the NHS and communifty care act (1990) domiciliary care (social services) and District nursing services were running almost at the same level on the graph. Post the Act and it is visually stunning. The graph shows a massive increase in domiciliary care and a dramatic decline in D N services to the point of near extinction.

That means the NHS transferred millions of pounds of their work to social services but never handed over the budget to them. Social services never got any increase in their adult care budget to accommodate this shameless transfer of responsibility. After years of fighting because carers were actually doing nursing tasks it was partially resolved by the Audit Commission.

The same is true of Step down rehab services. The NHS got millions of pounds of additional funding as this was the responsibility of the NHS. However as the NHS wouldn’t use the money for rehab (creating loads of managerial jobs instead) once again SSD are footing the Bill to the tune of millions of pounds but there has never been a revenue shift away from the NHS to SSD for this.

298399 ▶▶▶▶ Mabel Cow, replying to Jo Dominich -, 12, #220 of 1162 🔗

I was surprised to learn that in Sweden, they try very hard not to put old people in care homes at all. The focus is always on making it possible for the older generation to live out their lives in their own homes.

According to A&E doctor Sebastian Rushworth in an interview with AdapNation published on 2020-11-04, it’s only when home-help is required eight or nine times per day that an old person is moved into a residential care home. This might help explain why Sweden had such a high death toll in their care homes: the residents were already in a really bad way even before any infection was introduced.

298561 ▶▶▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Mabel Cow, 1, #221 of 1162 🔗

Exactly. There comes a time when the frail elderly need someone there 24/7.

298560 ▶▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Jo Dominich -, 7, #222 of 1162 🔗

My father had Parkinson’s and he actually asked to be put in a carehome because he no longer felt safe on his own at night, when he was pretty much paralyzed.

We’d suggested he could move in with us but he looked totally horrified at the thought.

Luckily we found a scruffy but very caring home and he was able to live a relatively independent life, watching his favourite choice of films, tv documentaries and quiz shows and listening to audiobooks.

He took several beloved pieces of his own furniture, reminders of his past with Mum and his kids. Also a bigbookcase on which to keep his many CDs that replaced the cassette recordings he’d made of his old Jazz records. Many of the homes we’d checked out said very generously that patients could bring one small item of furniture from home.

He was relatively lucky but Parkinson’s is a crap way to go and I too hope I don’t become very physically and/or mentally vulnerable before my time’s up.

298565 ▶▶▶ Ben, replying to chaos, 4, #223 of 1162 🔗

I would rather have assisted suicide at home than to go into a care home

299242 ▶▶▶ Borisbullshit, replying to chaos, 1, #224 of 1162 🔗

Too bloody right….my late stepfather said its an existence not a life. He died at 90 and never went in one.

298330 ▶▶ dhpaul, replying to Tom Blackburn, 6, #225 of 1162 🔗

My late brother in law died just over a year ago, in a care home where he had been for some years, of a terminal cancer. We visited him frequently, but he was sane enough to accept that he was just waiting to die, that life was never going to change from the simple regimented, admittedly quite comfortable, existence he was experiencing. He had been an active person, travelled the world. I said to my wife the other day that I felt that I knew even more how he felt, and that 2020 had aged me ten years. I am coming up to 72, fit and healthy. I have already had one wasted year in 2020. 2021 will be the second wasted year, as nothing much will change for the better.

298201 Tom Blackburn, replying to Tom Blackburn, 5, #226 of 1162 🔗

Metro.co.uk: Firm ‘linked to Matt Hancock’s family’ wins £5.5m Covid testing contract.
https://metro.co.uk/2020/12/11/firm-linked-to-matt-hancocks-family-given-5500000-mobile-testing-contract-13737865/

298236 ▶▶ Basileus, replying to Tom Blackburn, 4, #227 of 1162 🔗

See the following ‘My Little Crony’ interactive map for all the cronyism links:

https://www.sophie-e-hill.com/post/my-little-crony/

298203 Cecil B, replying to Cecil B, 3, #228 of 1162 🔗

How does one go about establishing the exact false positive rate for the PCR test?

Is there some form of scientific experiment or research that would establish the false positive rate?

Is anyone conducting this experiment or research? If not what not?

If it could be proved the FPR is 1% then all the positives are false positives and this whole nonsense falls apart

Surely someone must be doing this?

298208 ▶▶ bluemoon, replying to Cecil B, 2, #229 of 1162 🔗

If they are, we are unlikely to hear about it.
The term ‘false positives’ is keeping the fear level high among the zombies.
I have been assured several times “Ooo no, you can have it and not know it”. Sigh.

298211 ▶▶▶ Tom Blackburn, replying to bluemoon, 1, #230 of 1162 🔗

For every person that believes in false positives, there are two that are worried about false negatives.

298218 ▶▶▶▶ annie, replying to Tom Blackburn, 1, #231 of 1162 🔗

They don’t know the difference.

298230 ▶▶▶▶ bluemoon, replying to Tom Blackburn, #232 of 1162 🔗

Actually that’s interesting – because I can’t remember anyone mentioning false negatives.

298234 ▶▶▶▶▶ Tom Blackburn, replying to bluemoon, 1, #233 of 1162 🔗

I hear it all the time at work

298249 ▶▶▶▶▶ Ewan Duffy, replying to bluemoon, 3, #234 of 1162 🔗

I have heard the Establishment mention it to suggest that the figures are in fact worse than the already elevated levels of bullshit that they are selling i.e. there are people who received a negative test who are, in fact, postive, is the spin they sell.

298229 ▶▶ mhcp, replying to Cecil B, 2, #235 of 1162 🔗

You do it by testing clean samples and see how many come up positive. It’s a basic calibration test. You obviously need to have other procedures in place to make sure the samples are actually clean. You can also characterise the effect of changing procedures on FPR.

But yes, surely someone must be doing this? It would be the manufacturers of the PCR test. If they aren’t doing it then it would have to be the labs as the test is the whole process not just the PCR bit.

298253 ▶▶▶ p02099003, replying to mhcp, 5, #236 of 1162 🔗

There would need to be a system whereby every so often the lab would have to have a quality control test run to ensure that the test process was working correctly. There should be one machine that is used only as a calibration machine against which all of the others are compared. The biggest problems are the number of amplification steps and cross contamination. If the machines were calibrated properly with known infected samples and known clean samples then the number of steps reduced until the known infection shows up positive.

298342 ▶▶▶▶ mhcp, replying to p02099003, 4, #237 of 1162 🔗

What you are describing is typical and required in any large scale engineering firm that makes anything for people to use. It should be done by test makers otherwise how do you declare the accuracy of the test?

But also this is exactly why the scandal at Theranos came about. The calibration tests didb’t match and it was found that most of the blood testing was being outsourced.

On the cycles: this should be established at the outset. You don’t change the number of cycles just to get a result. This makes any previous measurements meaningless for comparison

298368 ▶▶ gundagin, replying to Cecil B, 1, #238 of 1162 🔗

“The current rate of operational false-positive swab tests in the UK is unknown; preliminary estimates show it could be somewhere between 0·8% and 4·0%.”
https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lanres/article/PIIS2213-2600(20)30453-7/fulltext

Published:September 29, 2020

298382 ▶▶ Spikedee1, replying to Cecil B, 2, #239 of 1162 🔗

Mike Yeardon says its normally between .8 and 4%. Handjob in an interview with JHB said he thought it was .8% but that was when he thought this was a percentage of positive tests rather than total test and he now avoids the question. If this subject was debated by anyone in SAGE or the chuckle brothers with any competent scientist rather than compliant MSM the whole thing would fall apart in five minutes flat.

298481 ▶▶▶ Dodderydude, replying to Spikedee1, 1, #240 of 1162 🔗

And it needs to be borne in mind that there are effectively two categories of ‘false positive’ when it comes to using the PCR test in the way it’s being used.

First, there is the standard identification of a ‘handling’ false positive rate. Every laboratory test should have a carefully and thoroughly established false positive rate, usually somewhere (as you say) between 0.8% and 4%. The actual figure takes account of all sorts of factors: the type of samples being taken, the procedures for taking, storing and handling those samples, the experience of the staff carrying out the procedures and the likely sterilisation status of the machinery and mediums being used to evaluate the samples over a period of time (i.e. they cannot be cleaned or supplies replenished between every test so may eventually become contaminated).

It’s clearly a very drawn out, stringent and expert process if it’s done correctly, at the end of which a specific false positive % is established. The Government has refused to say categorically what the FPR is for the Covid19 PCR test, even though there must be one if standard laboratory procedures are being followed.

But there is also a second category of potential FPR which should normally be at 0%. This is nothing to do with rejecting a proportion of test results because samples may have been contaminated during processing. This is determined by the parameters of the test. In the case of the ‘SARS CoV2’ PCR test this is reflected in the magnification cycles. If these cycles are set at the minimum rate necessary to determine actual viral infection at a load indicative of illness, they should not register any false positives, or very, very few. As we know the cycle rate for the test being used is way above what it should be, resulting in a significant number of false positives.

So the actual FPR for the PCR coronavirus test is in practice a consolidation of these two categories of FPR. In fact it could be argued that nearly all positive test results should technically be regarded as false positives because there is just no way to distinguish between genuine infection and false positives, unless the tested person also has associated symptoms of Covid19.

298559 ▶▶▶▶ mhcp, replying to Dodderydude, 1, #241 of 1162 🔗

And to add, not having a controlled cycle rate means your positive is not the same as my positive. Which means you don’t have a “measurement” as there is no measure to benchmark against.

298210 Danny, replying to Danny, 38, #243 of 1162 🔗

Really nerve wracking being a teacher right now. Every day some idiot takes a test because they’ve got a sniffle, meaning we keep getting emails announcing which kids and staff must stay home isolated for two weeks. The latest last night would lock someone in their home until Xmas Day, and anything next week will wipe out xmas itself.
Whilst I would happily just ignore it, some in my family wouldn’t, for example my Dad would then refuse to let us in the house, causing no end of upset at home. My daughter would miss her final xmas week at school etc. It would be awful even telling her that all our xmas plans, after this terrible year, are ruined.
Yet people seem determined to test themselves, bringing this on, in ever greater numbers.

298214 ▶▶ Tom Blackburn, replying to Danny, 14, #244 of 1162 🔗

Was it Lock, Stock and Two Smoking Barrels where he says, “Can everyone stop getting shot?”

298217 ▶▶ RickH, replying to Danny, 3, #245 of 1162 🔗

Yes – the situation re. schools has become totally ludicrous – particularly given the lack of transmission from children, and the obvious conflation with the usual seasonal infections.

One of our grand-daughters is currently suffering from ‘bubble exclusion’ when all sense suggests the the LFT findings of minimal presence for Covid is the more accurate finding, anyway.

298223 ▶▶ mhcp, replying to Danny, 14, #246 of 1162 🔗

To be frank Danny the situation in schools demonstrates a woeful lack of understanding of science which said schools are supposed to teach the kids.

How exactly can schools proclaim to be providing education when they appear to be practising voodoo?

298247 ▶▶ PompeyJunglist, replying to Danny, 4, #247 of 1162 🔗

Alas there remains an insatiable desire to be gaslit senseless among much of the population.

298261 ▶▶ davews, replying to Danny, 4, #248 of 1162 🔗

Rumour has it that we are to go into tier 3 because of a surge in positive tests in our school children. Several of our schools are now closed. No doubt all symptomless or at most just a sniffle.

298391 ▶▶▶ Spikedee1, replying to davews, 4, #249 of 1162 🔗

Having said that, if you all were kids right now, and someone said to you if you say you have these symptoms you can be off for two weeks. I absolutely know what I would have done. Been 100% in dying swan mode and off home in front of the tv. Also knowing all my besties are home too… YES! it’s not the kids fault, adults are supposed to be the educators and the guidance, fuck me, FAILED!!

298279 ▶▶ Country Mumkin, replying to Danny, 1, #250 of 1162 🔗

Feel for you. A sceptic in a school must be a tough experience. From this perspective I can totally understand why you might want to close schools. To stop the whinging do-gooding snifflers

298304 ▶▶▶ Danny, replying to Country Mumkin, 7, #251 of 1162 🔗

Thanks. Does feel akin at times to being an atheist at the Vatican.
Listening all day to colleagues screaming at children to put their muzzle back on, whilst shooting me daggers for not wearing one myself. Whether I like it or not, to the kids I am part of the same institution.

298510 ▶▶ Just about sane, replying to Danny, 1, #252 of 1162 🔗

It’s really nerve racking being a parent right now. Three grandchildren in three different schools from two families, one is already self isolating and his mother has decided not to send him back until after Christmas. She’s now considering removing her youngest because she can’t afford to take time off work as she doesn’t get paid. This has happened twice already. If they are off school they can be looked after by the rest of the family but if they have to self isolate, they then are prisoners in their home.

One of my children have already stopped speaking to their sibling due to us ‘breaking’ the bloody daft rules.

298213 George Mc, replying to George Mc, 11, #253 of 1162 🔗

I’ve already posted this link but there’s a line that tells you everything. It’s practically an admission of fraud:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-54932843

“Even if we had had the lockdown earlier, as some scientists had argued, we would have already been talking about the next one.”

You read that and you realise they are saying:

“Yes – it wouldn’t have mattered even if we did what was supposed to avoid the horror. The horror would have happened anyway and – WE WOULD STILL BE TALKING ABOUT THE NEXT ONE!”

Which also means:

“We’re making this up and we’re letting you know we’re making it up. And there’s nothing you can do about it anyway!”

298228 ▶▶ RickH, replying to George Mc, 4, #254 of 1162 🔗

Yes. Even a congenital idiot, looking at the graph of ‘cases’ on that BBC page, given the contrast between April and now, would twig that something doesn’t make sense.

.. so Nick Tiggle doesn’t even reach the ‘congenital idiot’ standard in journalism!

298321 ▶▶ George Mc, replying to George Mc, 4, #255 of 1162 🔗

Also note the wording:

“Even if we had had the lockdown earlier, as some scientists had argued, we would have already been talking about the next one .”

Not “…we would still have been in this mess” or “…we would still have these dreadful figures” and not even “we would have been talking” but “we would have already been talking” i.e. “we have already made up our minds”

298216 annie, replying to annie, 29, #256 of 1162 🔗

So we’ve had a year of the worst PM, heading the worst, most evil government in the history of Britain.Hope they put that on his tombstone.

298260 ▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to annie, 10, #257 of 1162 🔗

Anthony Eden must be rejoicing in the afterlife because he’s no longer the worst PM Britain has had in the last 100 years.

298396 ▶▶▶ Spikedee1, replying to Bart Simpson, 3, #258 of 1162 🔗

John Major, what a guy! Churchillion.

298491 ▶▶ Ben, replying to annie, 6, #259 of 1162 🔗

It makes no difference who the government or the PM would have been. Every country is occupied

298606 ▶▶ DomW, replying to annie, #260 of 1162 🔗

…very soon

Finished it for you 🙂

298222 Cecil B, replying to Cecil B, 15, #261 of 1162 🔗

Can I please remind our Welsh customers that all stocks of custard powder must be surrendered to the government by 2pm

298328 ▶▶ Alethea, replying to Cecil B, 3, #262 of 1162 🔗

Good morning Cecil B!

I am glad to be educated vis-a-vis the custard powder situation, but quite anxious not to have been updated about tractor production of late

298332 ▶▶ Two-Six, replying to Cecil B, #263 of 1162 🔗

We have a 5KG bag of it, not sure why, does this make us uber crims?

298227 John Ballard, replying to John Ballard, 17, #264 of 1162 🔗

Lucky enough to live in tier one, but had a few days off so went to a nice hotel in a big city in tier two for the night. Very nice, but we go every year to this city and I was amazed how quiet it felt to a normal year. Shops were a lot quieter, not dead but not like a normal visit at this time. Maybe people are put off by the staff on the doors and constant requests to stick stuff on your hands etc.
The hotel was a bit odd. Bar closed and hardly anyone in any public areas. The life had been sucked out of it. Not far off Xmas and our government continues to destroy the hospitality industry.
Managed to have a couple of drinks with a meal for lunch but again very quiet. Evening restaurant we always go to was busy but not packed. I wonder what percentage everywhere is down year on year this close to Xmas?
Feel sorry for everyone in tier two as for tier three you cannot imagine the impact for people stuck with these restrictions for months on end.
Our so called government are an utter disgrace and the opposition equally as complicit in this disaster of our own making.
Would like to think we are near the end of the farce but I would bet we have another four months of this fiasco minimum.
Merry Christmas sceptics!!!

298233 ▶▶ Mark H, replying to John Ballard, 6, #265 of 1162 🔗

We stayed in a hotel in Ayrshire back in July, just after they briefly “opened up”. It was as close to normal as you could expect. No masks were expected to be worn. The bar was open and in the evening the bar and restaurant area were busy and buzzing.

Then the Puritans shut it all down again.

298232 Mark H, replying to Mark H, 43, #266 of 1162 🔗

Interesting chat with a minicab driver last night.

He asked, “is it tomorrow that the pubs reopen?”

“Yes”, I replied.

“And they can serve alcohol?”

“No”, I answered.

“That Nicola’s gonna lose her job over this. See those polls where people say they support her? Have you ever been contacted by the people who run these polls? Do you know anyone who has?”

“No”, we replied.

“Exactly”, he said. “I do my own wee poll. For every 100 people, I ask whether they now support Scottish independence, maybe 5 say they do.”

During the short cab journey, we sat in the back, no masks. He put one on when he started driving but took it off as soon as we reached my home. He said he’d been told by “trading standards” that if he didn’t wear a mask he’d be fined.

We gave him a large tip.

299210 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to Mark H, #267 of 1162 🔗

My social life has been non existant this year but when I do head to a friend’s for a few I always have tipped the taxi man a huge amount for me if he follows none of the shit rules. Which has always been the case where I live. Thanks, you reminded me of this sign that underneath there lies a common realisation that this is all just bollix

298235 HelzBelz, replying to HelzBelz, 2, #268 of 1162 🔗

Does anyone know why the Supreme Court refused to hear the Simon Dolan case please? Were any reasons given?

298241 ▶▶ bluemoon, replying to HelzBelz, #269 of 1162 🔗

Check Keep Britain Free for all the updates.

298245 ▶▶▶ HelzBelz, replying to bluemoon, #270 of 1162 🔗

Thanks both

298242 ▶▶ Richard O, replying to HelzBelz, 1, #271 of 1162 🔗

A perfect picture of injustice attached.

298250 ▶▶▶ HelzBelz, replying to Richard O, 6, #272 of 1162 🔗

Not an arguable question of law. That is just a brush off – not a real reason. Why is it not an arguable question of law. The judges are all in on the Corona-hoax as well. Mass civil disobedience seems to be the only route left to us.

298275 ▶▶▶▶ Richard O, replying to HelzBelz, 3, #273 of 1162 🔗

Exactly. If it is not an arguable question of law that the freedom of assembly and movement are forbidden by this dismal and arbitrary decision, then what arguable question of law can it be for the subjects to ignore such a monstrosity?

298519 ▶▶▶ charleyfarley, replying to Richard O, #274 of 1162 🔗

This is the final nail in our coffin as a free country. The judges have been captured and I believe the decision is “political” – not in a party political sense but because it accords with a certain narrative. Apparently it cannot be argued that the removal of century old feeedoms because of a flu like illness is beyond what you might consider to be a reasonable response.
For the first time in my life I find myself wishing for revolution, to clear out the while rotten edifice. Without that, we’re finished. Welcome to the Gulag.
Sorry, don’t mean to be defeatist but who/what can save us?

298581 ▶▶ ianric, replying to HelzBelz, 6, #275 of 1162 🔗

In my view lockdown laws are a legal disaster. The part below in quotes is from a previous post.

“It has been obvious that many legal issues are raised with lockdowns. I apologize for the length of this post. To illustrate this, I will compare how lockdown rules compare to drink driving :-

One of the fundamental protections provided by law is that thresholds and criteria must exist.  To be convicted of drink driving you must have drunk alcohol and the blood alcohol level must be above a certain limit according to law of your country.

Imagine if drink driving was an offence but there was no definition of what type of drink is illegal and how much you have drunk. As a result of this you can be convicted of drink driving if you have drunk anything and regardless of how much you have drunk.

A major issue with lockdown is that there is no criteria or threshold as to what characteristics a disease must possess before lockdown laws can be introduced eg fatality rate, severity of symptoms and what proportion of the population must suffer severe symptoms, how infectious the disease is, number of cases etc. If laws have no threshold or criteria this is a recipe for tyranny. With no criteria or thresholds, governments can introduce lockdowns which shut down the economy, deprive us of basic rights and do massive and social economic damage regardless of the characteristics of a disease. The lack of threshold and criteria means that lockdowns can’t be appealed on the basis they contravene law. For instance, if there is no legal threshold as to what the fatality rate should be before a lockdown is introduced, a lockdown can’t be appealed as being illegal if the fatality is very low.

There must be scientific evidence to justify laws.  Drink driving laws are justified as there is irrefutable evidence excessive alcohol impairs senses when driving. Imagine if drink driving laws covered drinks where there was no scientific evidence the drinks impaired senses.

Lockdown laws can be introduced when there is no scientific evidence to justify them. I have asked the question on the internet on various forums if asymptomatic transmission is possible. The general consensus is that it doesn’t exist. I sent a FOI request to the NHS and asked various questions regarding asymptomatic transmission which they were unable to answer. Healthy asymptomatic carriers who can’t spread covid are regarded as disease carriers and are subject to lockdown laws and there is no evidence to justify this. A justification for lockdowns is that covid is highly infectious.  This is contradicted by the notion that covid tests have to stick a swab deep into the throat and nose which is intrusive and should not be necessary to detect a highly infectious disease. Swabs from the mouth should be enough to find if someone will transmit an infectious virus when coughing, talking or sneezing.

Tests which are used to determine legal decisions should be reliable. To convict someone of drink driving, the test used to detect blood alcohol should be reliable. Imagine if the test used on suspected drunk drivers couldn’t tell the difference between alcohol and non alcoholic drinks, couldn’t say how much alcohol someone had consumed and picked up alcohol consumed a long time ago which could result in people being convicted for drink driving on false grounds.

Lockdowns are being introduced on the basis of unreliable PCR tests.
There should be a logical justification for laws. Drink justified on the basis of that excess alcohol can impair the senses and cause drivers to crash which puts other road users in danger.

Many lockdown laws are illogical. Business are forced to close when there is no logic behind closing them. In businesses such as clothes, electrical shops, bookshops, gyms, museums and visitor attractions it is very easy to for people to keep away from each other due to their size and these establishments sometimes only have a small number of customers in them.  In hotels customers stay in their rooms and don’t mix with each other.  Under lockdown laws people couldn’t travel to second homes where they may not be in contact with others if they arrived at their home”

298622 ▶▶ ianric, replying to HelzBelz, 4, #276 of 1162 🔗

In addition to what I have written in my previous post, there are numerous other legal issues raised by lockdowns.

  • Laws should protect and reassure us. For instance, food hygiene regulations are designed to prevent food poisoning and that establishment can be punished if their kitchens are not hygienic. This should reassure customers when they eat out.

Lockdown laws can be used to terrorise the population and give the impression a deadly pandemic is around when this is not the case.

  • Laws should not give businesses an unfair advantage over other businsses. For instance, all hotels must follow fire regulations. If hotels in some parts of the country didn’t have to follow fire regulations they could place guests in dangers, avoid prosecution if a fire broke out due to neglicence and wouldn’t have the cost of following fire regulations.

Under lockdown laws, businesses are given an unfair advantage over competitors. For instance, shop A only sells clothes and shop B sells clothes and food. Under lockdown laws shop A would have to close but shop B could still continue to sell clothes.

  • Lockdown laws can be used as an attack against civil liberties eg banning protest.
  • With laws a one size fits all approach often doesn’t work. For instance, if fire regulations say hotels must have a certain number of fire extinguishers, this would be depend on the size of the hotel. If regulations said all hotels must have a set number of fire extinguishers, this would be impractical as some hotels would have too many and others too few. In closing businesses, lockdown laws take a blunt one size fits all method without considering the characteristics of a business. For instance, under lockdown laws pubs, restaurants and hotels have to close without considering if their characteristics would make it difficult for an infectious disease to spread. A large restaurant where the tables are spaced out is treated the same way as a small restaurant where the tables are close together. A restaurant which can only hold a small number of customers is forced to close. No consideration is given as to whether restaurants have facilities which prevent customers infecting each other eg good ventilation. Businesses are forced to close regardless of how many customers use them. In my town there are cafes which never have large numbers of customers in at the same time. Hotels are forced to close during less busy winter seasons when they don’t have many customers in them anyway.
298237 Barney McGrew, 2, #277 of 1162 🔗

David Mackie says in his piece:
An interesting political question is therefore how the pretence will now be maintained that the vaccines are to be credited for the changes that will eventually liberate us… it will surely have to be a matter of managing the ‘scientific’ figures so as to ensure that an illusion of the desired outcome is created. How will they manage it?

Toby says:
The lateral flow tests have struck another blow against the Covid hysterics. According to the BBC, the mass testing of students in the run-up to Christmas has so far turned up almost no cases.

Also Ivor Cummins’ latest video PCR vs Rapid Antigen – Safely Opening up Society .

Boris says: “Thanks guys!”

298238 Tim Bidie, replying to Tim Bidie, 23, #278 of 1162 🔗

This is a massive opportunity for opportunistic politicians everywhere.

Richard Tice, Reform UK, was the first to enunciate it as far as I am aware.

A trial that will discredit the PCR test (at high thresholds) will blow the pandemic, and politicians hysterical overreactions, out of the water.

You know that sooner or later, somewhere, a high profile politician with an axe to grind, an enemy to crush, is going to leap on this.

It will be very interesting to see who it is.

298278 ▶▶ Country Mumkin, replying to Tim Bidie, 5, #279 of 1162 🔗

Can we not just set up our own sceptic lab and do the RCT with the PCR ourselves? It’s be cheaper and quicker than all this …

298358 ▶▶▶ Tim Bidie, replying to Country Mumkin, 1, #280 of 1162 🔗

What a very good idea!

Anyone know how to set up crowd funding for this?

298370 ▶▶ calchas, replying to Tim Bidie, 5, #281 of 1162 🔗

This is what Reiner Füllmich is going for.

298239 p02099003, replying to p02099003, 2, #282 of 1162 🔗

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-birmingham-55280142 Test a few hours before having a meal in a restaurant.

298264 ▶▶ RickH, replying to p02099003, 10, #283 of 1162 🔗

I had to laugh (drily) at this :

“Some rapid Covid-19 tests can provide results within an hour, but there have also been concerns about their accuracy

Suddenly there’s concern about the accuracy of testing! You couldn’t f.ing make it up.

298272 ▶▶▶ annie, replying to RickH, 4, #284 of 1162 🔗

Cola!

298516 ▶▶▶ Dodderydude, replying to RickH, 2, #285 of 1162 🔗

And the only reason there are ‘concerns about their accuracy’ is because they aren’t producing anywhere near the same numbers of positives as the PCR test and therefore aren’t supporting the ‘pandemic’ narrative. There have never been any expressed ‘concerns about accuracy’ of the PCR test when that was the one which warranted ‘concerns’.

298243 Cecil B, 5, #286 of 1162 🔗

Too much love will kill you
Just as sure as none at all
It’ll drain the power that’s in you
Make you plead and scream and crawl
And the pain will make you crazy
You’re the victim of your crime
Too much love will kill you every time

Queen

Thanks Freddie

298244 Poppy, replying to Poppy, 68, #287 of 1162 🔗

One comment I see bandied about on social media goes along the lines of ‘Well if you had the deadly virus or knew someone who had it, you would definitely be abiding by the rules…!’

Well, besides the fact that I don’t know anyone personally who has had it, nor had it myself… has anyone who has ever been laid up in hospital with severe flu ever demanded that people have their lives arbitrarily and irrationally restricted just because they ended up in hospital due to a communicable disease?

For me this is the key argument against restrictions. We have never, as a species, mounted this sort of global response to a disease before because it is just so damaging and does more harm than good. What on earth is it about Covid that makes it so much more dangerous? The data simply does not reflect the hysterical belief that this is a society-ending pandemic. We have managed for centuries and millennia without social distancing, masks, endless sanitising, etc. I know I am preaching to the converted on this forum but it beggars belief how those who still support this madness cannot use common sense to come to this simple conclusion. I guess it’s the enabling power of technology and the internet, a double-edged sword which simultaneously brings people together (like on forums like these) but also provides the government with a means of keeping people apart in real life.

It’s about changing our perspective: viruses aren’t something to be feared. There are trillions upon trillions of them in our natural world, the vast majority of which are totally harmless. We have evolved alongside these viruses and they are a necessary part of our biological ecosystem. A minority of viruses are dangerous enough to kill, but they are not sentient, and not even technically living. It’s literally just the way life is and the human race is arrogant enough to think it can overcome nature.

298257 ▶▶ HelzBelz, replying to Poppy, 10, #288 of 1162 🔗

The politicians, big pharma and Bill Gates are arrogant enough to think they can ‘defeat’ a virus. Sadly the sheeple believe them. But some of us at least know the truth.

298558 ▶▶▶ Ben, replying to HelzBelz, 3, #289 of 1162 🔗

I suspect money and control is their motivation

298258 ▶▶ Richard O, replying to Poppy, 10, #290 of 1162 🔗

The Western world has been navel-gazing, and completely disinterested regarding any matters of real import, for 75 years. You are the correction.

298271 ▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to Poppy, 12, #291 of 1162 🔗

Well said. Humans have not changed despite all the advances.

A tour around the gardens of places like Versailles, Hampton Court, Schonbrunn, Peterhof with their magnificent Baroque gardens was testament to the then belief of humanity’s mastery over nature – the regimented lines, parterres and elaborately manicured hedges showing what humans could do.

Fast forward to the 21st century, the idea that we can defeat a virus is an extension to the thinking behind Baroque gardening. Sadly, it is also much more dangerous and insidious and we’re paying the price.

298288 ▶▶▶ Richard O, replying to Bart Simpson, 6, #292 of 1162 🔗

The Baroque was a recent peak of European civilisation that we will struggle to reach again. Intrinsic within their mind was a mastery of nature, which we share, absolutely, but perhaps not its total inversion. This is uniquely ours.

298292 ▶▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to Richard O, 1, #293 of 1162 🔗

👍

298444 ▶▶▶ David Grimbleby, replying to Bart Simpson, 5, #294 of 1162 🔗

This is well put, and the idea from Schwab and co. that ‘nature can be co-opted at will to do the bidding of any ‘reset bollox is risible, nature always wins in the end.

298335 ▶▶ mhcp, replying to Poppy, 24, #295 of 1162 🔗

It’s not even what happened in previous years Poppy. People were not wearing masks in shops at the height of the so-called “first wave” when deaths were in the 1000s per day. Yet from July and through the summer with not even a fart of a respiratory crisis it was masks everywhere “because muh science…”

This type of nonsense only is maintained by a form of hypnosis.

298450 ▶▶ Spikedee1, replying to Poppy, 6, #296 of 1162 🔗

My question would be, what makes this a “deadly”! Virus? How can something that 99% of people survive be deadly? The truth is if we had looked after the old folk properly and helped prime their immune systems, and tested the silver tops before putting them back into care homes and more importantly tested the nurses and carers in these homes. If you then ONLY counted death by covid as death by covid not death with covid but actually hit by a bus. The death toll would have been minuscule. I always say to people, if you think there is a pandemic now, take away testing and show me your evidence? Show me the increase in deaths from previous years. Show me a health service overwhelmed more than the past 3 years. The worse government in history!

298488 ▶▶ Ben, replying to Poppy, 7, #297 of 1162 🔗

If someone says to me: ‘at least you’re not on a ventilator’ I’ll reply: ‘I wish I was on a f**king ventilator so that I didn’t have to endure this living nightmare!’

299244 ▶▶▶ Borisbullshit, replying to Ben, #298 of 1162 🔗

Haven’t these morons heard that ventilators were abandoned months ago….they kill covid patients.

298517 ▶▶ Chicot, replying to Poppy, 16, #299 of 1162 🔗

This is the crucial point. Yes, sometimes new diseases arrive and more people than normal die but we don’t stop living because of it. I think there are two problems that prevent the general population from realising this point.

The first is that most people are lazy. They can’t be bothered to research the issues themselves and instead rely on what they are told by the government and the mass media. When the mass media is nothing more that a propaganda mouthpiece for the government, this means they have no other source of information than the government. Because of this they simply have no frame of reference for Covid or the response to it. They imagine either that Covid is so deadly that it requires a severe response and/or that lockdowns, social distancing and the rest of this madness is the normal, standard response to a pandemic. Just a bit of research would tell them that both these ideas are completely mistaken but they can’t even be bothered to do that. I’ve lost track of the number of times I’ve had to tell people about the Hong Kong Flu of 68 or the Asian Flu of 57 because they were not even aware that they happened. They think that the Spanish Flu of 1915 was the last global pandemic because that’s more or less what they are told by the government and msm.

The second problem is that, in this internet age, far too many people are quite happy so long as they can watch Netflix and order take-away. Whenever I see someone on fb posting something scornful about a lockdown protest, you can pretty much guarantee what sort of person they are – middle aged, married with children and with a job that they can easily work from home for and is unlikely to be adversely affected by lockdowns (game developers for instance). They have no time or need to go out to meet other people, unlike single people, and their source of income is not being affected. They have no knowledge or even empathy for people who are not so fortunate.

299246 ▶▶▶ Borisbullshit, replying to Chicot, #300 of 1162 🔗

Really spot on comment…and those bastards love to call other people selfish! They are smug sanctimonious shitheads to be honest.

298852 ▶▶ Cheshirecatslave, replying to Poppy, 2, #301 of 1162 🔗

When I was a small child, I ended up in hospital with pneumonia if I caught a common cold. My parents believed they should try to protect me as best they could, not demand the country be shut down! I still believe I should try to protect myself from viruses that threaten me. It is not the Government’s job.

299199 ▶▶ sam, replying to Poppy, #302 of 1162 🔗

it s what ive told my sister form the beginning that is the difference is w eve neevr shut down the world beofre. not even for the plague [ i think i said that ] or i said it s not the plague . we dont see 1 /3rd of the population [ or whatver % it was ]dying form it . and even the plague and smallpox people survived it who had it . but you said it so well poppy as always unlike me . am so discouraged but it tooka while for the resistance to grow in nazi era too

and is what i think too is a virus is normal to ahve viruses what si worng with people today! no mind of the ir own . all followers all lemmings aside form a few thank you a ll

298254 Barney McGrew, replying to Barney McGrew, 25, #303 of 1162 🔗

Could there be an element of that soldier who carries on fighting the war after it’s over?

David Mackie’s piece is basically suggesting that the vaccine spells the end of the government’s grotesque arse-covering exercise. That’s the impression I started to get from the day they announced the vaccine.

From what I can gather, they are not intending to make the vaccine mandatory, nor promoting a ‘health passport’. Boris contradicted ‘JVT’ over masks. The ‘moonshot’ may be quietly shelved.

On this site, we were obviously right all along, but we made little difference to anything in the scheme of things. It just made us feel better. In the same spirit, we can now sit back with the popcorn and watch as the vaccine is promoted and, as David Mackie says, the statistics are massaged to go in the opposite direction to which they were massaged previously.

It will also be fun watching the zealots suddenly finding that their dreams of permanently imposing puritan misery on the population evaporate.

298419 ▶▶ Two-Six, replying to Barney McGrew, 9, #304 of 1162 🔗

I really hope this is how it goes.
Watching it dawn on the brainwashed zombies that they have been monumentally had will be a sight to behold.

298505 ▶▶ Ben, replying to Barney McGrew, 4, #305 of 1162 🔗

Wishful thinking. Bill Gates wants a lifetime of vaccine boosters (Microsoft updates for humans) and tech companies who own the immunity passports and QR codes passes have shares

298262 Under The Bridge, replying to Under The Bridge, 6, #306 of 1162 🔗

An Austrian lawmaker tested a glass of Coca-Cola for coronavirus during a speech accusing his Government of medical tyranny – and the drink turned out to be positive.”

OMG! Time to start drinking soda through our masks!

298270 ▶▶ annie, replying to Under The Bridge, 2, #307 of 1162 🔗

Soda through a straw. Add hand gunk for safety.

298333 ▶▶ Noumenon, replying to Under The Bridge, 1, #308 of 1162 🔗

You have to drink it with your hands only, no glassware or containers.

298394 ▶▶▶ Sam Vimes, replying to Noumenon, #309 of 1162 🔗

Well, it will rinse the mashed potato off!

298422 ▶▶▶▶ Two-Six, replying to Sam Vimes, 1, #310 of 1162 🔗

Soak your hands in Coke for an hour and your skin will fall off.

298405 ▶▶ Spikedee1, replying to Under The Bridge, #311 of 1162 🔗

I did no see this on the latest coke ad! Just some bollocks about Santa!

298263 Will, 3, #312 of 1162 🔗

Exclusive: Kent prisons may be a ‘catalyst’ for London Covid cases rising to Tier 3 levels

Behind a paywall but well worth a read as it explains why there is a “surge” in London. It turns out the cases are all related to nosocomial transmission in the prisons on the isle of Sheppy. Don’t worry folks, London’s herd immunity will quickly dissipate this small blip.

EDIT sorry couldn’t get the Telegraph link to work. But this article is well worth a read.

298265 NickR, replying to NickR, 5, #313 of 1162 🔗

Just listening to R4 (I know, why?). Some dreadful headteacher from a school in Dagenham demanding that her school be closed!
So, let’s look at this area of London/Essex. I’ve also put the line in for the ‘base’ level for flu for prior years (these are all numbers per 100,000). Flu diagnoses require symptoms, I wonder if Covid testing required symptoms where would it be? This year flu is virtually non-existent.

298268 ▶▶ annie, replying to NickR, 6, #314 of 1162 🔗

There was a time when head teachers taught.
That ended many years ago.
Head teachers now care only about their own careers and their selfish selves.

298316 ▶▶▶ mjr, replying to annie, 1, #315 of 1162 🔗

and virtue signal

299247 ▶▶▶ Borisbullshit, replying to annie, #316 of 1162 🔗

Modern headteachers….scum.

298267 Country Mumkin, #317 of 1162 🔗

Is the PHE vax poster saying “you cannot enjoy life unless you protect yourself I.e. get vaccinated”?

It’s a better approach than protect your neighbours aunt’s granny and her sister in Peru in case they might visit if they are allowed to, but it still says you can’t have a life unless you have a vax.

298273 howard steen, 11, #318 of 1162 🔗

Please note, TWITTER TOOK THIS DOWN after I posted it! This tells you that it needs to be read by everyone!

https://www.globalresearch.ca/coronavirus-scandal-breaking-merkel-germany/5731891

I also recommend this very good piece of investigative journalism which I have translated from German into English: http://enformtk.u-aizu.ac.jp/pubs/rubikon/auf-hauchdunnem-eis/

298274 Cecil B, replying to Cecil B, 8, #319 of 1162 🔗

By thy works shall we know thee

Why are ‘cases’ rising dramatically in Wales but nowhere else?

Simple the great vaccine was created and is owned by the pig dictator. The vax is the enabler and the pig dictators means of writing the ‘I saved you all’ narrative

It’s too early yet, but soon the cases in England will start to plummet as the pig dictators plan comes to fruition

The Rapists Dad does not want to give the pig dictator credit for anything, therefore it is important that cases keep rising in Wales

Bastards

298583 ▶▶ annie, replying to Cecil B, #320 of 1162 🔗

I think Dungford just sees a chance to create more fear.
He likes fear. He likes misery. He loves power. He adores Covid.

298276 alw, replying to alw, 9, #321 of 1162 🔗

“Covid Marshals Patrol Pubs”
My understanding is that you cannot take pictures of people without their permission. As Covid Marshalls have no powers it would be good to have a definitive legal take on this. Believe it is a breach of the Data Protection Act 2018.

298311 ▶▶ IanE, replying to alw, 5, #322 of 1162 🔗

I think it is illegal to publish such photos rather than taking them. Otherwise holiday photography, for instance, would be virtually illegal; ditto photos of shopping streets etc.

298343 ▶▶▶ MaxPower, replying to IanE, 2, #323 of 1162 🔗

https://www.blpawards.org/competition/photo-rights

You can take a photo of anything you can see from a public place

298387 ▶▶ RickH, replying to alw, 3, #324 of 1162 🔗

No – you can take pictures in a public place.

298518 ▶▶ Ben, replying to alw, #325 of 1162 🔗

Let’s just call them jumped-up, life destroying brownshirts

298280 Steeve, replying to Steeve, 24, #326 of 1162 🔗

This quote was posted yesterday:
“Hope has two beautiful daughters; their names are Anger and Courage. Anger at the way things are, and Courage to see that they do not remain as they are.”
Anger directed in the wrong way is not good but without it we have apathy.
Courage is being willing to say or do something about what we are angry about.
Without Anger and Courage we certainly cannot have Hope.

Remember just before lockdown 1 and most people, maybe everyone never wore a mask shopping?

Remember just before the mask mandate and maybe 85% never wore a mask in shops?

And now? Take Aways – Restaurants – Pubs

To be honest I sometimes think – just go along with it – but I just can’t.

298336 ▶▶ Alethea, replying to Steeve, 13, #327 of 1162 🔗

Never go along with it. Nobody here will ever just go along with it. We will remain sane and normal while the crazies run amok. Eventually, everyone else will recover their minds. At that point, we will have to summon mighty reserves of magnanimity and accept them back as the people they used to be.

298500 ▶▶▶ TheOriginalBlackPudding, replying to Alethea, 3, #328 of 1162 🔗

Indeed Alethea.
As I’ve pointed out on here one way or another, and on a number of occasions, we need to be practising that magnanimity now. Aiming anger and vitriol at our frightened and damaged friends, families and neighbours serves no useful purpose. Save the anger for the perpetrators, their cronies and their gauleiters. Lead by example, be understanding of people’s fear and confusion and they will come round. Gradually. Eventually.

298578 ▶▶ annie, replying to Steeve, 9, #329 of 1162 🔗

Don’t. , Don’t go along with it.
I had a run-in with a zombie in Tesco this morning,
You’ve met her. She’s everywhere The small, dumpy, fiftyish woman with the mean little eyes, the gimp mask and the whiny, nagging voice. Stay six feet away, why aren’t you wearing a mask, why do you exist when human beings have been officially abolished?
It leaves a nasty taste, like inadvertently biting into a rotten apple. But the taste goes away, and you haven’t given way.

Never give in to a zombie. .They are just lumps of rotting flesh with a dead brain lurking in the middle.

298649 ▶▶▶ DomW, replying to annie, 1, #330 of 1162 🔗

Warm Bodies is a movie I think anyone strugging with the zombies problem should watch. I was reminded of it just now reading the last couple of posts.

298780 ▶▶▶ JanMasarykMunich, replying to annie, 6, #331 of 1162 🔗

Indeed. I have to praise my wife.

On the train the other day, a coronazombie gestured at me to pull my mask over my nose. (We only wear the damn things for minumum time to get on and off, then open a drink or have some food once sat down, but I hadn’t even had time to open my beer yet before he struck. I could feel it coming as well in the weird way he was already looking at me.)

Anyhow, I just picked up my stuff and went to to sit elsewhere.
My wife, bless her, decided she’d had enough of this self-appointed enforcer and went up to him:

‘Are you a policeman?’

(hesitation); ‘Yes’

‘Are you on duty?

(More hesitation), err, no.

‘Do you have a police ID?’

(trying to sound confident, but not really succeeding): ‘No, but I can call them and they will be right here.’

‘Ok, go ahead. By the way, impersonating a police officer is a serious offense.’

He was clearly lying.

299249 ▶▶▶▶ Borisbullshit, replying to JanMasarykMunich, #332 of 1162 🔗

Policemen are getting younger so you can tell by his age!

299248 ▶▶▶ Borisbullshit, replying to annie, #333 of 1162 🔗

Hope you skewered her nicely.

298322 ▶▶ Iansn, replying to NickR, 1, #335 of 1162 🔗

Wheres the flu ? 🙂

298325 ▶▶ Sue, replying to NickR, 6, #336 of 1162 🔗

amazing low figures for flu. Are flu cases being classified as covid, or is this genuine reduction do you think from masks etc?
My fear is that they’ll say oooh look how low flu this year and mandate this mask nonsense and social distance every winter.

298329 ▶▶▶ mhcp, replying to Sue, #337 of 1162 🔗

It appears they don’t test for flu due to resources in a lot of cases. So no evidence is taken as evidence of absence.

https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/921524/S0774_Influenza_infection_in_patients_hospitalised_with_COVID-19.pdf

298364 ▶▶▶ Jonathan Palmer, replying to Sue, 6, #338 of 1162 🔗

It can’t be the masks because according to their figures Covid is still spreading
There are only 2 options.
People who would have got Flu got Covid instead or Flu is being misdiagnosed as Covid.

298407 ▶▶▶▶ Nobody2020, replying to Jonathan Palmer, #339 of 1162 🔗

If it smells like a fish it probably is a fish

298390 ▶▶▶ OKUK, replying to Sue, 4, #340 of 1162 🔗

Do members of the ursine family defecate in forested areas? A positive answer would suggest a correlation.

298283 richmond, replying to richmond, 22, #341 of 1162 🔗

Four questions that should be put to Matt Hancock. The last three should be put to all Tory MPs.

  1. When you told us about the first people taking the ‘vaccine’, why were you laughing?
  2. A vaccine confers immunity. This one doesn’t, as Pfizer have admitted. So why do you keep calling it a vaccine?
  3. Because the ‘vaccine’ does not confer immunity anyone who takes it can still catch the virus and could still infect others. In fact, since the ‘vaccine’ lessens their symptoms they would be more likely to be out and about than if they were actually ill and had to stay in. So what is the point of 90% of the population taking the thing?
  4. How do you feel about the 200,000 to 500,000 people that your government’s policies have killed?
298302 ▶▶ Saved To Death, replying to richmond, 9, #342 of 1162 🔗

I think the answer to 4 is contained in 1.

298377 ▶▶▶ Mabel Cow, replying to Saved To Death, 4, #343 of 1162 🔗

I genuinely think you are right. Imagine the sense of power that Hancock will feel from being able to do whatever he wants without fear of censure.

298499 ▶▶▶▶ Cranmer, replying to Mabel Cow, 4, #344 of 1162 🔗

I suspect a lot of the SAGE types are similar. They’ve had a taste of power and it’s gone to their heads.

298284 alw, 2, #345 of 1162 🔗

Some good advice re car sharing from law or fiction.

298285 J Keepin, replying to J Keepin, 4, #346 of 1162 🔗

Another wise ‘latest news’ today.

Re the ‘sales’ propaganda for the new vaccine products, I wonder whether the number of death certificates ‘involving’ Covid-19 could diminish, if only because certain people would be reluctant (lets be charitable) to record it as a contributory cause of death for someone who turns up later on, having had a vaccine, but falling ill with something else in due course? After all, there’s no requirement for any test result, nor any autopsy to decide what to write down on the certificates, so it could be a back door way to ‘sell’ the product.

298527 ▶▶ wat tyler, replying to J Keepin, #347 of 1162 🔗

Yes once all those close to death have been vaccinated it presents a problem ,how do you inflate the covid numbers and claim the vaccine works at the same time .

298591 ▶▶ annie, replying to J Keepin, 2, #348 of 1162 🔗

Stop testing. Stop lying on death certificates. Pandemic over.

298600 ▶▶▶ Mark, replying to annie, #349 of 1162 🔗

Annie, would you mind sending me a pm, via the forums here ?

298286 Bart Simpson, replying to Bart Simpson, 26, #350 of 1162 🔗

The fact that the FSU had to get involved with Bob Moran being overlooked for the Cartoonist of the Year awards because the organisers didn’t like the fact that he’s a lockdown sceptic and the farce over schools really show what we’re up against.

The children have been paying a high price for this insanity and the damage is already done. I shudder to think how they will live their lives from now on. If anything the role of parents will be crucial if they want a hope in hell in reversing the damage wrought by all this.

Parents should be fighting back tooth and nail to give their kids the real normal and not this so-called new normal.And shame on those who pander to the latter.

298301 ▶▶ Nobody2020, replying to Bart Simpson, 8, #351 of 1162 🔗

Bob should start his own publication along the lines of The Far Side but he could call it The Farcical Side.

298478 ▶▶▶ Chris John, replying to Nobody2020, -2, #352 of 1162 🔗

The Fascist Side?

298593 ▶▶▶ annie, replying to Nobody2020, #353 of 1162 🔗

I’d buy multiple copies and send one to every person I know,

298734 ▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to Nobody2020, 2, #354 of 1162 🔗

Agree. He more than any other cartoonist has captured our insane times very well.

298348 ▶▶ Paul, replying to Bart Simpson, 14, #355 of 1162 🔗

From what I witness every day,young children masked in shops,on the street and in cars,it is clear that a lot of parents are not fighting back for the sake of their children but are actively aiding the state sanctioned abuse of minors.

298447 ▶▶▶ SweetBabyCheeses, replying to Paul, 10, #356 of 1162 🔗

I worry about babies too. A close friend had a baby in June and so much of the infants interactions have been with adults with masks on, inc. so called “kangaroo care” from the moment she was born. I’m sure babies need to see our faces when we speak in order to learn how to make the same sounds themselves. And they clearly pick up on the emotions of others from facial expressions. I really hope that it’s isn’t impacting on their development.

298526 ▶▶▶▶ Dodderydude, replying to SweetBabyCheeses, 1, #357 of 1162 🔗

You might be interested to see this presentation by Prof Franz Ruppert published by the German ACU Committee headed by Dr Heiko Schoening. Prof Ruppert speaks very movingly about the disastrous psychological impact of mask wearing on children and babies.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FKHTZZMRcFk&feature=emb_logo

298497 ▶▶▶ Ben, replying to Paul, 5, #358 of 1162 🔗

A lot of parents are committing child abuse by forcing masks on their children. It is their duty as parents to investigate the risks for masks on children. I found an article on the Internet of an interview with a German neurologist who warned that face masks on children may harm their brain development and increase the risk for dementia in later life

If I can find that article, they can

298848 ▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to Paul, 3, #359 of 1162 🔗

And that’s the depressing thing. Parents might think that they’re protecting their children but in reality it’s child abuse they’re doing and sadly by the time they realise it, it will be far too late.

As they say the road to hell is always paved with good intentions.

298289 Zak Thelotofem, replying to Zak Thelotofem, 2, #360 of 1162 🔗

Another splendid ‘Cummins’ production

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dC9u_4BQ8yo

298414 ▶▶ Mayo, replying to Zak Thelotofem, -2, #361 of 1162 🔗

I’ve only managed to watch about half of it. So far the ‘genius’ is simply regurgitating most of the points that have already been made.

He cites a IFR of 0.1% without any supporting evidence. This figure is demonstrably wrong. New York, Belgium & Peru already have more than 0.1% fatalities for their entire populations. Even if 50% have been infected that means IFR is at least twice the 0.1% figure.

Cummins has held some good interviews and presentations, the best being the recent one with Joel Smalley et al, but unless this one picks up in the second half, it’s been a complete waste of time.

298475 ▶▶▶ Poppy, replying to Mayo, 2, #362 of 1162 🔗

IFR figures are surely meaningless given how differently countries record Covid deaths. Therefore you cannot really say with any more accuracy that 0.1% is wrong than Cummins can say it’s right.

Notable example of muddy death stats is UK which very generously records anyone who dies within 28 days of a positive PCR test as a Covid death.

298548 ▶▶▶▶ Mayo, replying to Poppy, #363 of 1162 🔗

The UK had over 50k excess deaths between late March and early May. That’s 0.07% of UK population in the first wave.

All major countries are approaching 0.1% of population while it’s unlikely that the proportion infected any more than 25%. After all, we know that most cases are False Positives so it’s probably much less than that.

Sorry – we can’t have it both ways. There is either lots of cases and a relatively low IFR or few cases and a high IFR.

298290 alw, replying to alw, 3, #364 of 1162 🔗

Southend Borough Council’s behaviour re schools detrimental to the well being of children and young people. They need taking to task.

298291 ▶▶ Leemc23, replying to alw, 3, #365 of 1162 🔗

How many kids that going to shut Christmas down for ? Our high masters at SAGE will be pleased.

298297 ▶▶ Noumenon, replying to alw, 3, #366 of 1162 🔗

We need sacrifices to appease him, more young sacrifices!

298331 ▶▶▶▶ Noumenon, replying to Iansn, 6, #368 of 1162 🔗

I honestly believe that in the distant future this way of managing society, i.e. screwing people over for unidentifiable abstract collective “gains”, will be deemed comparable to human sacrifice.

The only differences between this and human sacrifice are that more people die, people also lose quality and longevity of life. Nobody however is directly murdered at the point of a knife.

298296 James Leary #KBF, replying to James Leary #KBF, 9, #369 of 1162 🔗

Am I right in thinking the mass testing in schools etc in the London area is using lateral flow? Good news in that case. It probably means the regime is shit scared of having to lockdown London next week, and is looking to find a sudden drop in numbers. I recommend postal testing only from here on in. Much easier to get the numbers you want that way.

298303 ▶▶ Ewan Duffy, replying to James Leary #KBF, 7, #370 of 1162 🔗

“I recommend postal testing only from here on in. Much easier to get the numbers you want that way.”

Didn’t you mean “postal voting” 😉

298312 ▶▶▶ Nobody2020, replying to Ewan Duffy, 5, #371 of 1162 🔗

There’s a company that can supply machines and can guarantee the results you want for a fee…

298340 ▶▶▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Nobody2020, 1, #372 of 1162 🔗

Track’n’Trace?

298361 ▶▶▶▶ OKUK, replying to Nobody2020, #373 of 1162 🔗

I heard you don’t even have to pay the fee. There’s a nice man in Beijing will pay it for you.

298357 ▶▶▶ OKUK, replying to Ewan Duffy, 2, #374 of 1162 🔗

I’m sorry – we are not prepared to hear your complaint. You have no standing, even if you are a member of the forum.

298309 ▶▶ IanE, replying to James Leary #KBF, 5, #375 of 1162 🔗

Well, most of us here have gone ‘postal’ months ago!

298310 ▶▶ karenovirus, replying to James Leary #KBF, 4, #376 of 1162 🔗

Multiple postal testing just to be on the safe side.

298462 ▶▶ Ben, replying to James Leary #KBF, 5, #377 of 1162 🔗

The ‘regime’ is pushing lockdowns indefinitely

How is testing healthy school children a good thing? The tests need to be scrapped. We have been dehumanised for so long that we have been conditoned to be grateful for crumbs thrown our way

298487 ▶▶▶ Cranmer, replying to Ben, 4, #378 of 1162 🔗

Yes, I believe that indefinite lockdowns, masks, social distancing, the destruction of small businesses and any business associated with free assembly is here to stay. Whether it is an actual plan or not I do not know, but the government has had numerous opportunities to back down from this gracefully which it has not taken.

298741 ▶▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Cranmer, 2, #379 of 1162 🔗

If it looks like a plan, sounds like a plan, smells like a plan ….

298298 Nobody2020, replying to Nobody2020, 17, #380 of 1162 🔗

This is my take on the response to this pandemic. It’s a bit rough and could be fleshed out a bit but who has time for that sort of thing. It’s basically taking what is in essence a set of random results and trying to attribute some control over them:

I was just doing some analysis of the recent Europa League football matches (see attached pic). Here are my initial observations:

Firstly I set an arbitrary level of success at zero goals in a match. If no goals are scored there can be no winners or losers and everybody should be happy. It doesn’t matter what the teams want, that is what I have set as the benchmark for success.

So looking at the results only 2 games went perfectly and ended in 0-0. All other games ended in some degree of failure with at least one goal being conceded. Dundalk v Arsenal were the worst with an almost certain exponential rise in goals at some point in the game ending with the worst goals/minute conceded of all the matches.

This variation in results is surprising as they’re all playing the same game. There is a strong suggestion that some defences are better than others but this is unproven and can’t be relied upon as any defence is subject to change from match to match.

I propose that a zero goals approach is the best way of ensuring success. To achieve this all players in a team should stay in their own half for the duration of a match. Touching the ball increases the chances of a goal being scored so it is recommended that this be kept to a minimum. 2m distancing from the ball at all times should help.

Teams that don’t do as I say are simply not following my science .

298320 ▶▶ Nobody2020, replying to Nobody2020, 4, #381 of 1162 🔗

I forgot to say, if 0-0 is achievable in two of the games then it should be achievable in all games…

298353 ▶▶ OKUK, replying to Nobody2020, 4, #382 of 1162 🔗

So presumably if one side goes 7 up in the first half but no
goals are scored in the second half that would count as 100% success rate for 50% of the match.

Isn’t science wonderful!

298367 ▶▶▶ OKUK, replying to OKUK, 3, #383 of 1162 🔗

Alternatively, if no goals are scored until after the second half, that must mean the majority of the match was played with the score at 0-0. So in that case it must be counted s success under your system.

I love science!

298595 ▶▶ annie, replying to Nobody2020, 2, #384 of 1162 🔗

You are about to be elected to the Royal Society for your science. Take a bow.

298306 karenovirus, replying to karenovirus, 39, #385 of 1162 🔗

Driving back into town on a major commuter route, on the reverse of a large road sign. 2 feet high white spray paint on black.

“COVID
SCAM” 👍 👏

298369 ▶▶ wayno, replying to karenovirus, 14, #386 of 1162 🔗

I drive on the m57 everyday the bridge at the end has plan demic in massive letters, makes me smile on the way home from work.

298308 Pancho the Grey, 5, #387 of 1162 🔗

I think David Mackie can be reassured that the Government has the reduction in cases well in hand. This will be achieved simply by changing the testing method from PCR to lateral flow and evidence that this will work can be seen in the article above about university student testing.

298314 Iansn, replying to Iansn, 4, #388 of 1162 🔗

The dfference in reporting. https://www.thelocal.se/20201211/is-the-second-wave-overloading-swedens-intensive-care-units Swedish newspaper. Less than half ICU beds used by COVID patients, but the untis are nearly full. Daily Fail version, no details or context just 99% full ‘because of of COVID. https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9043261/Sweden-coronavirus-Intensive-care-beds-running-low-amid-soaring-cases.html

298344 ▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Iansn, 1, #389 of 1162 🔗

the local.se (fr/it/nl) are usually on the woke/consensus side of any subject.

298318 Bella Donna, 1, #390 of 1162 🔗
298337 Lainey, replying to Lainey, 12, #391 of 1162 🔗

Ron Paul: “the problem we have faced over the years has been that economic interventionists are swayed with envy, whereas social interventionists are swayed by intolerance of habits and lifestyles. The misunderstanding that tolerance is an endorsement of certain activities motivates many to legislate moral standards which should only be set by individuals making their own choices. Both sides use force to deal with these misplaced emotions. Both are authoritarians. Neither endorse voluntarism. Both views ought to be rejected. “

298479 ▶▶ Cranmer, replying to Lainey, 3, #392 of 1162 🔗

In other words, ‘somebody somewhere is doing something I don’t like. They must be stopped!’

298540 ▶▶▶ Fiona Walker, replying to Cranmer, 2, #393 of 1162 🔗

…or even the nagging suspicion that someone, somewhere, is having fun. Stop it NOW!

298338 Inlakesh, 3, #394 of 1162 🔗

Courtesy of Jeff Berwick – Mask magic trick:
https://is.gd/dZUSng

298339 Charlie Blue, 7, #395 of 1162 🔗

Good, straightforward Twitter thread from Professor of psychology, Ellen Townsend, about mass testing in schools
https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1337299596465360897.html

298346 Angryphon of Tunbridge Wells, replying to Angryphon of Tunbridge Wells, 11, #396 of 1162 🔗

I’m an Englishman living in Wales I think folk are wrong in terms of the Welsh psyche.I would be happy to stand firm with any Welsh person and fight for our freedoms.It’s the watered down Welsh on the borders going full sheeple.We are all victims of this global heist be kind that’s all that’s needed.

298610 ▶▶ annie, replying to Angryphon of Tunbridge Wells, 2, #397 of 1162 🔗

Since the bollox began, I have yet to find a Welsh person, except on this site, who has the slightest concern about freedom, dignity. or the future of Wales. ,Just keep me safe snd bugger the English’. I’ve lost interest in Welsh identity. It’s trash,

298351 Bruce Reynolds, replying to Bruce Reynolds, 76, #398 of 1162 🔗

Once again all of the Social distancing and virus signage in my area has been defaced/removed/vandalised this appears to be happening on a regular basis,I really don’t know who could be responsible shame on them…..

298360 ▶▶ Mabel Cow, replying to Bruce Reynolds, 26, #399 of 1162 🔗

You should definitely keep a close eye on that situation, Bruce. It sounds very worrying.

298375 ▶▶ anon, replying to Bruce Reynolds, 17, #400 of 1162 🔗

fkin love you man

298403 ▶▶▶ Bruce Reynolds, replying to anon, 11, #401 of 1162 🔗

The feeling is mutual my friend never surrender….

298378 ▶▶ Arkansas, replying to Bruce Reynolds, 13, #402 of 1162 🔗

Whoever is doing this must have access to some extremely fast mode of transport, since I am hearing rumours of their anti-knowledge behaviour all across the country. It certainly is outrageous that signage is being destroyed in this way.

Perhaps, in order to keep everybody safe from the harms inevitably caused by the informational voids such disruption produces, local communities could help by working together to install their own replacement signage – for the good of their friends, families, small businesses, grannies and the like?

298482 ▶▶ stefarm, replying to Bruce Reynolds, 7, #403 of 1162 🔗

Tremendous, just remember keep your gloves on at all times, no using the tomato ketchup at the safe house bare handed. Remember what happened last time……

298530 ▶▶▶ Bruce Reynolds, replying to stefarm, 6, #404 of 1162 🔗

Yes I was not to happy with Mr Biggs regarding that little episode gave him a bloody good bollocking…

298611 ▶▶ annie, replying to Bruce Reynolds, 2, #405 of 1162 🔗

Give them a medal.

298359 Jo, replying to Jo, 31, #406 of 1162 🔗

https://www.globalresearch.ca/coronavirus-scandal-breaking-merkel-germany/5731891

It looks as if Reiner Fuellmich might be getting somewhere. Twitter “warned” me about going on this site.

I have been arguing with myself since the collapse of Simon Dolan’s efforts yesterday. I have done a few Judicial Reviews myself, only about 5, as I remember and when I read his letter before action all those months ago, I sent it to my previous solicitor colleague and we agreed that it was very strange. In brief, JRs are used when you want to take a public body to task when there is no other remedy (such as appeal process). But it is not about the decision of the public body being right or wrong, you have to find fault with the process, and the remedy is that the public body goes through the process again in the proper way. So even when the public body agrees with the facts set out in the letter before action by the claimant, if they go through the process they might still reach the same decision. A recent example you might remember was the JR of the Parole Board in the case of the sex offender Worboys. The PB agreed to conduct the review again because vital evidence which was relevant to his risk had not been included in the dossier. So whilst they went on to make some changes to the Parole Board’s procedures, they did not in fact need to do so because in that case the JR worked and he stayed in prison because the PB conducted the review properly.
Simon Dolan argued that the Govt used false/out-of-date evidence but this was related to the second lockdown. I was concerned at the time that his introducing this material at a late stage might be problematic. I haven’t read the whole judgment I must admit because it is so depressing but I do know that there is always a problem in the Courts’ appearing to interfere with our democratically elected Govt. (I know, it feels wrong writing that.) I can’t remember the details of the Gina Miller case but it was about procedure rather than content and that’s why she won. What is scary about the outcome of the Dolan case is, as he say, the Govt can do anything they like with us. In theory, if they got through parliament that anyone not wearing a mask in a shop could be imprisoned for 5 years, then as long as they passed a law to say so, it would stand. There seems to be no legal mechanism to deal with proportionality , which as we all know is what’s needed here. The evidence in the case clearly demonstrated this point, but it wasn’t looked at because it wasn’t deemed relevant.

So back to Reiner Fuellmich. He is experienced in taking on large organisations, although what he is trying to do is off the scale, as it were. But he has chosen to prosecute individuals (not elected representatives) and on very specific and narrow issues eg PCR testing which we know is wrong and I think/hope it will be relatively easy to show this. If this comes to the UK, then it will be the likes of Whitty and Vallence, unelected, who might come under fire. We need to hope that Fuellmich succeeds, because if he does, the whole thing will come crashing down. As I’ve said before, he is where my hope lies.

298372 ▶▶ Tim Bidie, replying to Jo, 8, #407 of 1162 🔗

As suggested elsewhere, what about setting up crowd funding for RCT of high threshold PCR tests?

I am completely out of my depth here but Richard Tice’s idea, expressed on bbc politics live of evaluating high threshold PCR tests and lateral flow tests against laboratory viral culture isolation assessment of infectivity sounds like a good one?

298385 ▶▶▶ Jo, replying to Tim Bidie, 12, #408 of 1162 🔗

I think it is a waiting game – Reiner Fuellmich mentioned in his briefing back in early November that he is in touch with lawyers in many countries inc UK and US. If he wins the case against Drosten (PCR) – and remember he now has the legal precedent of the Portugal case – then I think similar actions will take place throughout the world. I honestly believe – and I am a bit of a pessimist – that if RF wins the case against Drosten then we WILL win. I would rather RF won this first, because if a less able lawyer takes on the PCR issue in this country in the meantime, it could set an unhelpful precedent. Better to wait a bit and get a more certain victory.
Quick word on Yeadon Campaign’s PCR claims – I don’t personally think they will get anywhere with this (much as I love Mike Yeadon!) until there is a case. It WILL come, if RF wins. If he doesn’t, that will be the end of my hope; it is not a day I want to see.

298400 ▶▶▶▶ Tim Bidie, replying to Jo, 9, #409 of 1162 🔗

Thanks. Makes sense. It is going to get very nasty. So many mighty political reputations all over the world at stake.

The facts are all on the sceptical side, and sooner or later someone is going to make major political capital out of that……

Democracy: the least worst system of government….

298406 ▶▶▶▶▶ Ovis, replying to Tim Bidie, 5, #410 of 1162 🔗

Is anyone going to be allowed to make democratic capital out of anything ever again? Trump was the last to do that, but he’s now suffering a blatant take-down. 2020 has been about reversing the democratic gains of 2016, and making sure nothing similar can ever happen again.

298445 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Tim Bidie, replying to Ovis, 3, #411 of 1162 🔗

There may very well be a line of comms between Richard Tice, Nigel Farage and Donald Trump. I would be very surprised if, in the event that Trump will definitely stand again in 2024, a great deal is not made out of the high threshold PCR debacle at some stage……

A dish best eaten cold…and so on……

298454 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Ben, replying to Tim Bidie, 7, #412 of 1162 🔗

Nigel Farage proved himself a turncoat in the final hour re his Brexit campaign. He is not to be trusted

298472 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Jonathan Palmer, replying to Ben, 4, #413 of 1162 🔗

I agree.He is always wheeled out to safely defuse anger and is a barrier to real change to the con,lab,lib one party state.

298814 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ John P, replying to Jonathan Palmer, #414 of 1162 🔗

He wheels himself out. Not everyone is a robot.

298492 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Mark, replying to Ben, 3, #415 of 1162 🔗

How so? I’ve seen this said a few times here, but it’s never been adequately explained.

Seems as far as I can tell to be a reference to the Brexit Party standing down candidates in seats that might threaten “Conservatives”, but my recollection of that was it seemed merely basic good tactical sense, given the “Conservatives” were committed to giving the Brexit Party their core objective.

And indeed we are out of the EU, though there is plenty of devil left in the details, and eternal vigilance is obviously the price of living with Remainers.

Where is this big “betrayal”? I was much more annoyed with Farage for being such a coronapanicking lockdown pussy in the crucial early weeks, tbh. Fortunately he seems to have gained a better grasp of the situation recently.

298867 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ PastImperfect, replying to Mark, #416 of 1162 🔗

And indeed we are out of the EU

Check out yesterday’s UKColumn, 22 mins in.

298813 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ John P, replying to Ben, #417 of 1162 🔗

“Nigel Farage proved himself a turncoat in the final hour re his Brexit campaign.”

Hardly!

298506 ▶▶▶ Suzyv, replying to Tim Bidie, 5, #418 of 1162 🔗

Definitely a good idea. This is just what they have done at Cambridge. 10 students tested positive using pcr tests during a given week in Nov. These positives were then followed up by lab viral culture and they ALL came back negative…

298376 ▶▶ RickH, replying to Jo, 6, #419 of 1162 🔗

You cover some important points. It is often not understood that Judicial Review is limited to considering whether procedure has been breached, and unless the legislation covers issues of proportionality and reasonableness, it cannot intervene on substance.

The core of the problem is the original legislation – which – Carch 22 – is in the hands of the offenders.

298520 ▶▶▶ Jo, replying to RickH, 2, #420 of 1162 🔗

In fairness, those civil service (or contracted in) lawyers who were responsible for the 1984 Act probably had no idea of the host of poultry that would be taking to the perch. We have all been critical of Govts and politicians for most of our lives, to varying degrees, but to be honest I had no idea how wicked they could be in turning against the whole population.

298384 ▶▶ Ben, replying to Jo, 7, #421 of 1162 🔗

I admire Reiner Fuellmich. He’s brave. A hero.

But I don’t have faith in the legal system. Simon Dolan has just discovered how the UK judiciary is rotten to the core, which might be representative for the rest of the world. If the Corona Scandal is part of a global financial collapse, then I don’t know what the answer is for humanity.

Ernst Wolff predicted events back in March. I’d like to know what he’d say about current events:

https://m.youtube.com/watch?feature=youtu.be&v=8LYjOEib9iI

298392 ▶▶▶ RickH, replying to Ben, 2, #422 of 1162 🔗

Simon Dolan has just discovered how the UK judiciary is rotten to the core”

Nothing to do with it : read Jo’s posting (above).

298451 ▶▶▶▶ Ben, replying to RickH, 5, #423 of 1162 🔗

It has everything to do with it. Who exactly is driving the global direction and why, is the most pertinent question anyone can ask because every country is reading from the same script. It is most likely a globally orchestrated financial coup/crash to benefit the banks, finance, Big Pharma, tech industries, Gates et al – all of which own the judiciary

298409 ▶▶ Major Panic, replying to Jo, 16, #424 of 1162 🔗

Yes, Dr Fuellmich is one clever cookie….

Discredit the PCR as a test that can detect infection and the covid pandemic has no foundation, as it is all based on a positive PCR test.

By helping Prof. W. take Facebook to court for deformation is a beauty. Prof W said that the PCR cannot detect infection, FB called him a liar….

FB will have to prove to the court that the PCR test can detect infection – that will be interesting…

Thats my understanding of it in its simplest form, great stuff…

298449 ▶▶ matt, replying to Jo, 1, #425 of 1162 🔗

It’s a key issue with the function of our constitution that there is effectively no check on the power of the executive precisely because the executive is the majority of the legislative body by definition and parliament is sovereign. Unlike in the US, the courts cannot provide that check, because the courts are interested in matters of law and the majority opinion of Parliament is law.

I’m a Burkeian at heart and by instinct, but this year has shown up the ‘genius of the constitution’ as being seriously wanting, sorry to say.

298504 ▶▶▶ Mark, replying to matt, #426 of 1162 🔗

I think it relies on the inertia and independence of the key institutions and their personnel – civil service, media, courts etc. A popular Prime Minister with a solid majority in the Commons is close to an elected dictator, but there’s only so much one man can do in five years, or ten, and once the tide turns against him, it turns quickly and completely.

All those institutions have been undermined in the past few decades, in terms of the independence of their personnel, and in any case they were pretty much in lockstep agreement over the panic response to this virus. They all failed us. But the key failure of course was Johnson’s. If he had chose to take a stand, the power of his office might have been enough to hold us to Sweden’s path.

298469 ▶▶ Cranmer, replying to Jo, 4, #427 of 1162 🔗

Thank you for your professional insight. I think you are right. The first big legal challenge (Dolan v Regina or whatever it was called) was bound to fail because it was so high profile and HMG could not allow it to succeed. I have absolutely no doubt that it was ‘nobbled.’ But they can’t intervene in myriad smaller cases related to Covid – personal injury etc, and I think if more and more of these are brought, public officials may start to query their position.

298512 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to Jo, 5, #428 of 1162 🔗

As far as I’m aware it’s even more specific in the Reiner case. He is taking fact checkers to court as they claim PCR detects SARS-CoV-2 and that claims made by one of the plantiffs (that PCR does not do what that say) are being made out to be fales.

Basically dragging the PCR into court via a side door.

298614 ▶▶ annie, replying to Jo, 3, #429 of 1162 🔗

Proportionality.
A powerful word. The opposite of zombyism.
Thank you for this lucid analysis.

298366 ▶▶ Mark, replying to Mark, 5, #431 of 1162 🔗

Remarkably similar – you’d almost think all the “interventions” made bugger all difference. If that weren’t unthinkable badthink, of course…

298373 ▶▶▶ OKUK, replying to Mark, 4, #432 of 1162 🔗

This claim is disputed. Click here for more information:

PCLeftSorosFundedFact
Checkers.com

298379 ▶▶▶▶ Tim Bidie, replying to OKUK, #433 of 1162 🔗

Please repost link.

298383 ▶▶▶ Tim Bidie, replying to Mark, 2, #434 of 1162 🔗

Or made a difference…..but not in a good way……

Care home residents account for nearly half of deaths linked to Covid-19 in Sweden, a high proportion that health professionals and families of the victims have blamed on the government’s reluctance to admit elderly patients to hospital.’

https://www.france24.com/en/20200916-they-sacrificed-the-elderly-how-covid-19-spread-in-sweden-s-care-homes

‘…..the government in mid-March adopted a policy, executed by NHS England and NHS Improvement, that led to 25,000 patients, including those infected or possibly infected with COVID-19 who had not been tested, being discharged from hospital into care homes between 17 March and 15 April—exponentially increasing the risk of transmission to the very population most at risk of severe illness and death from the disease. With no access to testing, severe shortages of PPE, insufficient staff, and limited guidance, care homes were overwhelmed. Although care home deaths were not even being counted in daily official figures of COVID-19 deaths until 29 April, some 4,300 care home deaths were reported in a single fortnight during this period.’

https://www.amnesty.org.uk/files/2020-10/Care%20Homes%20Report.pdf?kd5Z8eWzj8Q6ryzHkcaUnxfCtqe5Ddg6=

298433 ▶▶▶▶ Mark, replying to Tim Bidie, 4, #435 of 1162 🔗

Yes, of course deaths caused by lockdown must be a very dark truth lurking within the fact that overall deaths are not up by much in the plague year of 2020. If lockdowns reduced covid deaths, they most likely increased deaths elsewhere.

We know this. All that is required is to “prove it” sufficiently to get it into the public discourse at the proper level. Long run it will have to be a key part of the case against lockdowns as a policy.

298501 ▶▶▶▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to Mark, 2, #436 of 1162 🔗

There has to be a email trail where someone made that call. They claim a panic but it almost seems orchestrated from the WHO given it happened all over

299068 ▶▶ Iansn, replying to Mark, #437 of 1162 🔗

My words to Prof Paul Hunter the other day, totally unchallenged by him
The virus has spread through all the other countries it has visited with the same veracity regardless of measures imposed, and clearly the hardest hit are the ones who locked down the hardest, in open democracies, like Spain, Peru, France, UK etc. I exclude Australasia as they have sealed themselves off and most East Asia countries where they have imposed similar methods that cannot be used here.

298374 Geoff3000, replying to Geoff3000, 5, #438 of 1162 🔗

Interesting report of Aus vaccine trials being stopped due to stimulation of hiv antibodies
https://www.sciencemag.org/news/2020/12/development-unique-australian-covid-19-vaccine-halted

298434 ▶▶ Kevin 2, replying to Geoff3000, 2, #439 of 1162 🔗

They cancelled the whole trial because of a few HIV ‘false positives’
Curious decision for a few ‘false positives’…

298381 Harry hopkins, replying to Harry hopkins, 43, #440 of 1162 🔗

The Maskless Monolith

I had arranged to pick up Mrs Hopkins at Sainsburtys so in I breezed, maskless of course. Not long after entering I was stopped dead in my tracks by the sight of another maskless shopper who literally took my breath away. To say he was a sight for sore eyes doesn’t do it justice. There he was, all six feet plus of him with his height propped up by at least sixteen stones of solid muscle. He had a mohican type haircut, rings in his ears, an unshaven semi beard and was wearing a T shirt with a sort of denim type sleeveless waistcoat that left his partially tattooed arms on full display. These arms looked as if they had been hewn from solid granite. He carried his shopping basket with his little finger neatly wrapped around the handle….. that last sentence may be somewhat misleading but I’m sure he could have if he’d wanted!

To say that this bloke had ‘presence’ doesn’t adequately describe him. He was the sort that when entering the supermarket the sanitiser bottle would have collapsed in on itself, any masked assistants would have turned away in the hope that he wouldn’t notice them and the socially distanced, masked shoppers in the fruit and veg section would have parted like the red sea to allow him unfettered access. I liked him immediately. I inched closer to him, nonchalantly, in the hope that he might notice my countenance being similar to his and I even thrust my chin in an upward direction… but to avail….he just got on with his shopping. To be honest if he hadn’t had such a fearsome appearance I might have broken the ice but even I felt intimidated—and he was one of us!

I located my wife, checked that she had my favourite curry and adequate supplies of chocolate and then went outside to wait for her near the exit. Not long after I was pleased to see the maskless monolith exiting the shop with his carrier bags. I looked straight into his eyes and gave him a huge, teeth exposing smile. And did he acknowledge? Well, yes he did. In return he smiled, not exactly an ear to ear jobby but a definite warm response so I was well pleased. I hope I see him again, like most big, strong men he’s probably a big pussy really.

As he walked off into the car park I had visions of him mounting his Harley Davidson tricycle with those huge cow horn handlebars and roaring off into the night. And the final thought that crossed my mind was: pity anyone who tried to give this bloke a vaccine injection against his will!

298431 ▶▶ stefarm, replying to Harry hopkins, 12, #441 of 1162 🔗

Was it your reflection?

298471 ▶▶▶ Harry hopkins, replying to stefarm, 7, #442 of 1162 🔗

I wish 🙂

298476 ▶▶▶▶ stefarm, replying to Harry hopkins, 7, #443 of 1162 🔗

😁

I actually done that once. As an 18 year old apprentice typesetter I was sent out to a printing firm on an industrial estate in the badlands of South East London to deliver some printing plates. On arrival I started chatting to a chap, when he didn’t answer I realised I was standing in front of a full length mirror talking to myself 😂

298495 ▶▶▶▶▶ Harry hopkins, replying to stefarm, 4, #444 of 1162 🔗

I’ve never spoken to myself, not out loud anyway. The most embarrassing thing that happened to me was on a trip to Ilkley. I was looking in a shop window when I noticed I was wearing odd shoes. it would have been bad enough if they had been the same colour but one was black and the other brown. I looked down and for an instant my disbelief was such that I thought those feet belonged to someone else.

298531 ▶▶▶▶▶ Sarigan, replying to stefarm, 3, #445 of 1162 🔗

I did very similar albeit in a drunken state in a night club with many mirrors. I thought I was going through a door which was in fact a mirror. The bloke blocking the ‘door’ kept moving the same way as me as I tried to avoid him. Tap on the shoulder from a mate ‘time to leave’!

298483 ▶▶▶ Harry hopkins, replying to stefarm, 2, #446 of 1162 🔗

I’m the sort who dons his thermal vest, over coat, gloves, scarf and tweed hat at around the end of October….and they stay put until April!
I’m afraid that if ‘Maskless monolith’ noticed me at all he probably thought to himself ‘who’s that puny specimen over there….shouldn’t be let out on his own!’

298995 ▶▶▶ A leaf, replying to stefarm, #447 of 1162 🔗

Ahahahaha :)))))

298496 ▶▶ arfurmo, replying to Harry hopkins, 4, #448 of 1162 🔗

Wonder if the masked guy who shouted at you outside your favourite butcher would have done the same and if so what mighty man would have done.

298502 ▶▶▶ Harry hopkins, replying to arfurmo, 5, #449 of 1162 🔗

If mighty man had so much as looked in the direction of the masked up queue they would have abandoned all social distancing and trampled on each other in their haste to get away!

298616 ▶▶ annie, replying to Harry hopkins, 3, #450 of 1162 🔗

C’est magnifique!

298395 Leemc23, replying to Leemc23, 4, #451 of 1162 🔗

I posted the below late yesterday (early today). Well worth sometime on the linked documents.

—————————————————

The UK has one of the smallest health and care workforces in the world, spending less than the G7 group of advanced economies, and has relatively few hospital and critical care beds compared with other European and North American countries. Coming into the pandemic, the UK had high levels of bed occupancy and very little spare capacity. However, during the rapid response to COVID-19 there was a substantial increase in capacity, and national reported occupancy for critical care never exceeded 60%, although this varied significantly at local levels”

https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/943174/S0919_Changes_in_hospital_mortality_in_the_first_wave_of_COVID-19.pdf

Notes reference in the above # “29” – that references this document, which is worth reading and being aware of. Given it’s the basis of SAGE reporting we can reasonably assume it is accepted.

https://www.ippr.org/files/2020-07/resilient-health-and-care-july20.pdf

Some snippets:

“The fact that the UK’s health and care system has struggled during the coronavirus pandemic can be traced back to decisions taken during austerity. Driven by a desire to cut the deficit after the 2008/09 financial crash, government challenged public services to deliver the same level of service, and the same outcomes but with steadily less resources. Their underlying logic was that quality could be protected, while waste would be cut. Covid-19 has shown the consequences of these cuts, and exposed their short-termism and inefficiency.

Now, the UK government should take the opportunity to create a system where resilience is considered efficient, where long-term thinking is encouraged, and where resources are allocated to deliver on it. To this end, English health policy might borrow from economic policy’s ‘fiscal rules’, and introduce six ‘health and care resilience rules’……”

“Reflection is more important for the UK than for most, as it is clear that the UK’s Covid-19 outcomes were amongst the world’s worst. By the 31st of May, the ONS reported the total number of Covid-19 deaths at 46,687 (ONS 2020a). Beyond the mortality rate from Covid-19, our health system also saw:
• 2 million ‘non-urgent’ operations cancelled (Sample 2020)
• a 75 per cent drop in urgent cancer referrals from GPs (Hiom 2020)
• a 50 per cent drop in attendance at A&E for heart attack (Bakker 2020)
• a 52 per cent increase in excess deaths from dementia (Alzheimer’s Society 2020)
• a 20 per cent drop in mumps and rubella vaccinations (by April 2020), on top of the UK’s lost ‘measles free status’ in 2019 (McDonald et al 2020).
These figures are indicative of why the number of deaths in the UK from causes other than Covid-19 have been much higher than normal during the outbreak. It is important we understand why, and what proportionate steps we can take to support both recovery and future sustainability in the aftermath.”

The paper goes on…….

“The cost of the Nightingale hospitals was subsequently equivalent to providing 963,115 days (and nights) of care in a hospital. If we had invested that same £235 million upfront we could have equated to an estimated 2,640 more beds open throughout 2019 – allowing the NHS to use the investment to improve performance in winter 2019 and to enter the Covid-19 crisis with more excess capacity……”

298438 ▶▶ Nigel Sherratt, replying to Leemc23, 1, #452 of 1162 🔗

NHS spending, 1950 460 million, 2020 158 billion, from about 3% of GDP to about 7% of GDP (GDP 5x higher in real terms). Still not enough to make the NHS work.

https://www.nuffieldtrust.org.uk/news-item/70-years-of-nhs-spending

298466 ▶▶▶ Jonathan Palmer, replying to Nigel Sherratt, 3, #453 of 1162 🔗

It’s can never work properly.Its economic model is Stalinist.70 years of State propaganda telling us how wonderful it is can never change that fact.

298549 ▶▶▶▶ Leemc23, replying to Jonathan Palmer, 4, #454 of 1162 🔗

Yet the majority of us who have used it have many horror stories.

I remember my dad’s situation, given 3 months to live max and put on a minimum 6 month waiting list.

Paid private, borrowed the money for his operation from a family member, and 27 years later we are off to see him later today.

298546 ▶▶▶ Leemc23, replying to Nigel Sherratt, 1, #455 of 1162 🔗

It’s bollocks is it not. But I do have to say that if it’s not working well in 2007/2008 and they cut capacity year on year and run it hot across the next 12 years, no wonder we end up like we have this year.

The real problems in terms of collateral damage have not even begun yet.

298568 ▶▶▶▶ Nigel Sherratt, replying to Leemc23, 1, #456 of 1162 🔗

The Nuffield Trust paper I linked showed steeply increasing spending until 2010/11 and a slight reduction after that (% GDP). 2006/7 6.38% GDP, 2008/9 6.99%, 2009/10 7.59% (the peak), 2020/21 7.07 (estimated, pre C-19 obviously). GDP annual growth (World Bank) 2007 2.4%, 2009 -4.2%, 2010 2.0%, continuing at about 2% thereafter (until C-19 of course). So with GDP growing at about 2% annually and NHS spending reducing by 0.5% of GDP over 10 years there has been no reduction in spending. There was still no proper plan and no adequate stock of PPE however.

https://data.worldbank.org/indicator/NY.GDP.MKTP.KD.ZG?locations=GB

298547 ▶▶ matt, replying to Leemc23, 4, #457 of 1162 🔗

There are a number of problems with this.

The first is that there is unquestionably a very significant level of waste in the NHS (and in all public sector organisations). Because of this, the thinking behind austerity was not actually wrong, but it was badly implemented and had bad PR because the public sector was offended by the idea that it might look for ways to be more efficient, having become used to the idea that endlessly increasing opportunity for waste was the natural order. It also means that the assumption that giving the NHS an extra £235M would have resulted in a sensible and efficient increase in capacity is very probably just wrong. The money would have been swallowed and disappeared or spent on fax machines.

The second is that this seems to think that the actual capacity of the NHS has ever been part of the problem. It hasn’t. The NHS has dealt perfectly well with the actual epidemic wave and is dealing perfectly well with the current respiratory disease season. The fact that we’re being told that it’s close to being overwhelmed has no basis in fact.

298402 swedenborg, replying to swedenborg, 2, #458 of 1162 🔗

https://jamiemetzl.com/origins-of-sars-cov-2/

This is probably the best updated report abot this issue.The journalist etc is from MSM and contributing to various MSM org.But only when this issue is within MSM radar, something might happen as Lancet and others have blocked all serious investigations for a long time.

298490 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to swedenborg, 2, #459 of 1162 🔗

Loose Women have been more open to asking serious questions on this issue than the Lancet. Not joking

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-8722519/Virologist-claims-publish-evidence-PROVING-coronavirus-manmade.html

298697 ▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to swedenborg, #460 of 1162 🔗

He fails to mention Fauci’s involvement. Strange!

298810 ▶▶ John P, replying to swedenborg, -1, #461 of 1162 🔗

Word salad. Hearsay is not fact.

299360 ▶▶▶ swedenborg, replying to John P, #462 of 1162 🔗

The article is neither

298404 PaulH, replying to PaulH, 8, #463 of 1162 🔗

Increase the number of cycles used in the PCR testing lab to identify fragments of the virus?

(this should be REDUCE)

They can easily make the vax appear to work, by redefining cases and cutting back testing. Won’t be hard as very few people are actually now ill.

298416 ▶▶ Ben, replying to PaulH, 8, #464 of 1162 🔗

Or maybe we should stop testing healthy people and declaring them unwell

298412 Kevin 2, replying to Kevin 2, 9, #465 of 1162 🔗

Q. So how do we know if the Covid vaccine is safe?

A. Listen to the BBC. You know it makes sense!

“Is the Covid vaccine safe?”
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-55056016

Contains such gems as:-

‘The Covid vaccine trials have happened at breakneck speed, but they haven’t skipped any steps.’

‘Approval will only be given in the UK if the regulator, the MHRA, is happy that a vaccine is both safe and effective.
Checks continue after approval to make sure there are no further side effects or long-term risks.’ (How to write two conflicting sentences..)

‘The MHRA says it hasn’t identified any “serious adverse reactions” during the trial of the Pfizer/BioNTech vaccine.’ (Didn’t they read the Pfizer data?)

‘Some vaccines, such as the shingles vaccine and the children’s nasal flu vaccine, can contain pork gelatine.
And some vaccines are grown on hen’s eggs, or cells from chick embryos.
There are hundreds of Covid vaccines in development. We don’t have details on every ingredient yet, but many of the Covid vaccines are expected to be vegetarian or vegan-friendly.’ (Well that’s good news, the Pfizer vaccine is vegan-friendly…)

‘There is overwhelming scientific evidence that vaccination is the best defence against serious infections.’ (How about a link or two??)

Helpfully the NHS page tells us:-

‘Vaccines get safety tested for years before being introduced – they’re also monitored for any side effects’

‘..Do not overload or weaken the immune system – it’s safe to give children several vaccines at a time and this reduces the amount of injections they need’

‘..Do not cause allergies or any other conditions – all the current evidence tells us that vaccinating is safer than not vaccinating’

‘..It’s rare for anyone to have a serious allergic reaction to a vaccination. If this does happen, it usually happens within minutes.’

‘The person who vaccinates you or your child will be trained to deal with allergic reactions and treat them immediately. With prompt treatment, you or your child will make a good recovery.’

https://www.nhs.uk/conditions/vaccinations/why-vaccination-is-safe-and-important/

Hopefully the above will serve to reassure all.

Beware of dreadful vaccine misinformation!

298415 ▶▶ Ben, replying to Kevin 2, 16, #466 of 1162 🔗

The big red flag: it’s been indemnified

298417 ▶▶▶ Kevin 2, replying to Ben, 8, #467 of 1162 🔗

The other red flag is the where the misinformation comes from!!

298480 ▶▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to Ben, #468 of 1162 🔗

This has always been the case. Since the 1980s in US, not sure here.

298446 ▶▶ Two-Six, replying to Kevin 2, 7, #469 of 1162 🔗

Phew, there was me thinking a nu-tech vaccine that hasn’t been tested was going to be possibly dangerous.
I feel so much better about it now.

298460 ▶▶ Cranmer, replying to Kevin 2, 8, #470 of 1162 🔗

If it contains pork gelatine, or there is even a risk of it containing it, surely there are two certain religious denominations who will not be taking it?

298498 ▶▶▶ Jo, replying to Cranmer, 3, #471 of 1162 🔗

I looked into that one – and I also contacted the Vegan Society because the Vegetarian Society issued a list of all the current flu vaccines and not one was Vegan, and only some weren’t vegetarian.
The Jewish position is that any pork residue is so infinitesimally small that they are allowed to disregard it. I assume the same for Muslims.
The Vegan society came back with a mealy mouthed response ” yeah so take the vaccine for your health, yeah, because then, like, you can have kids who will be, like, vegans and will carry on our (new world order) message.
So in short you can’t put it in your body through your mouth but other means are fine.
I’ve been vegan for nearly 30 years and veg years before that. I don’t like to associate too much with the new versions.
And I very much doubt Pfizer vaccine is vegan. Although they have skipped a lot of animal testing, that’s for sure.

298550 ▶▶▶▶ DRW, replying to Jo, #472 of 1162 🔗

I know shark oil is a common ingredient.

298695 ▶▶▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to DRW, 2, #473 of 1162 🔗

Snake oil is the main ingredient in this one though.

298679 ▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Kevin 2, #474 of 1162 🔗

Important Be aware that anti-vaccine stories are spread online through social media.
They may not be based on scientific evidence and could put your child at risk of a serious illness.

298418 TyRade, replying to TyRade, 3, #475 of 1162 🔗

Re right-on Rodean, ‘whichschooladvisor’ – here roedean-school – judges it “best for”: “A multi-cultural education without hothouse pressure.” ‘Half its pupils are from overseas’, so I guess they have some (albeit lame) excuse to minimise our Island story. As a multi-culti “school of mixed ability” it also has the pliant fodder more likely to swallow colonial crapola whole.

298429 ▶▶ Dame Lynet, replying to TyRade, 4, #476 of 1162 🔗

One wonders then why the parents of the overseas pupils chose such a school and whether they will continue to do so. Maybe the ‘Island story’ nation has merit in the eyes of others.

298459 ▶▶▶ Jonathan Palmer, replying to Dame Lynet, 4, #477 of 1162 🔗

Because they still believe the myth that a British Education is the finest in the World.Its sad that even the public schools have succumbed to the Cultural Revolutionaries.
Education is now about teaching children what to think not how.

298617 ▶▶ annie, replying to TyRade, 1, #478 of 1162 🔗

Half its pupils are from overseas because they are the ones with enough money. Not the school’s choice originally, you may be sure.

298420 Judy Watson, replying to Judy Watson, 27, #479 of 1162 🔗

OK how is this for covid lunacy.

My friend lives on the Isle-of-Wight – tier one. Her friend from Southampton – tier 2 went to visit her. Go into the pub on day one the friend who lives there gave her postcode they were then seated and had a drink.

The following day they both went into the same pub and and the one from Southampton gave her postcode. Because she was tier 2 she had to have a meal with her drink!!!! Apparently the landlord was very apologetic and said they were ‘the rules’ that he had to enforce or pay a 6,000 pound fine.

Completely, utterly barking mad.

298427 ▶▶ Ben, replying to Judy Watson, 31, #480 of 1162 🔗

It’s not lunacy. It’s deliberate, contrived, SAGE-sanctioned psychological torture tied to an agenda.

298436 ▶▶ Apache, replying to Judy Watson, 18, #481 of 1162 🔗

Yes, you are right, total lunacy. You have to fully understand the rules to come up with a workaround. I recently sat in a Tier 2 McDonalds with my Wife. How surprised was I to see my good friends on the next table!!

298457 ▶▶ Cranmer, replying to Judy Watson, 16, #482 of 1162 🔗

Yes, if you go out of tier I believe the rules are you still have to act as if you are in your home tier. It’s absolutely bloody nonsense, but the amazing thing is people are still falling for it.

298458 ▶▶▶ Poppy, replying to Cranmer, 12, #483 of 1162 🔗

Presume that doesn’t work the other way – i.e. if you go from a lower tier to a higher tier? What BS.

298493 ▶▶▶▶ arfurmo, replying to Poppy, 8, #484 of 1162 🔗

I think are wrong Poppy. My understanding is that if you live in tier 1 and go to tier 3 you can demand that a pub opens and serves you drink only and they face a £10000 fine if they refuse. Anyone think otherwise?

298507 ▶▶▶▶▶ wat tyler, replying to arfurmo, #485 of 1162 🔗

Of course you can’t do that ,it’s about the area not the individual .

298554 ▶▶▶▶▶ SionnachAirgid, replying to arfurmo, 2, #486 of 1162 🔗

I’ve no idea how far the nearest Tier 3 area is from Cornwall, so tempting though it is to test that out, I think I’ll pass

298514 ▶▶▶▶ Fingerache Philip., replying to Poppy, 11, #487 of 1162 🔗

My wife and myself have to regularly travel to my mother in law (95) and our “non driving ” son who both live in the West Midlands county (teir 3) from our home in Shropshire (teir 2); are you keeping up with this ?, because I will be asking questions at the end.
We drive through Shropshire and Worcestershire (teir 2), then through Staffordshire (teir 3) to get to the West Midlands (teir 3) and then return; I’m rapidly losing the will to live here”.
When my wife had her hair “done” the other day, one of the assistants said “you know, you shouldn’t really be travelling from one teir to another like that”.
My wife said “With a 95 year old mother, what do you expect us to do?; we have never changed our habits since this started and we aren’t going to change now”

298655 ▶▶▶▶▶ Cranmer, replying to Fingerache Philip., 5, #488 of 1162 🔗

As far as I know there is nothing in the regs that says one cannot travel through tiers to visit a support bubble, and I encourage everyone to have as many ‘bubbles’ as Joan Collins’ bathtub. I could not care less about the regulations, but it’s good to have a comeback for people like that hairdresser.

298467 ▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Judy Watson, 3, #489 of 1162 🔗

Back to Calchas post about N Korean brainwashing techniques, draconian enforcement of arbitrary and ever changing rules.

298543 ▶▶ mhcp, replying to Judy Watson, 3, #490 of 1162 🔗

I would love to see how they would prove the risk.

298426 awildgoose, replying to awildgoose, 5, #491 of 1162 🔗

US media already pushing the, “Lol, old people die all the time,” line to run cover for the vax:

https://www.lifesitenews.com/news/doctor-on-cnn-dont-be-alarmed-if-elderly-die-after-receiving-covid-vaccine

298464 ▶▶ karenovirus, replying to awildgoose, 15, #492 of 1162 🔗

Old people die all the time ! Who knew ?

298473 ▶▶▶ awildgoose, replying to karenovirus, 8, #493 of 1162 🔗

In other breaking news:

The sky is blue!

Water is wet!

298513 ▶▶ DRW, replying to awildgoose, 5, #494 of 1162 🔗

This after months of oNe LiFe Is ToO mAnY! Good old DNCNN.

298567 ▶▶ Jo Dominich -, replying to awildgoose, 1, #495 of 1162 🔗

Well it is a fact these people were alive before theye had the vaccine. What changed? Also why isn’t this narrative being applied to older people in terms of CV19

298641 ▶▶ A. Contrarian, replying to awildgoose, 3, #496 of 1162 🔗

But it’s tragic! Their lives have been cut so short! If they had the vaccine, then they MUST have died from or with it! In fact we’re probably undercounting vaccine deaths! Nearly everyone has had some sort of vaccine in their lifetime and literally everyone will die!!

298428 PWL, replying to PWL, 13, #497 of 1162 🔗

Government plans in disarray, spanner in works looks like delivered by NHS itself. Now GPs won’t administer the Pfizer vaccine.

Amongst Fear-Mongered Vaccine Rollout Anti-Climax, Old People Being Used As Guinea Pigs

298986 ▶▶ Carrie, replying to PWL, 1, #498 of 1162 🔗

It may already have been mentioned, but in case not, did you all notice that the nurse who supposedly gave the first 2 patients their Covid vaccination in the UK was not wearing gloves… In the first she was not wearing an apron either…

298440 Ben, replying to Ben, 25, #499 of 1162 🔗

I distrust the BBC when their celebrity TV doctors are endorsing face masks for children (child abuse). So defund the BBC I say. It is a threat to humanity

Regarding the experimental, rushed-through, indemnified vaccine forecast to cause considerable side effects for some – I trust Wolfgang Wodarg. I distrust Sir Patrick Vaccine-Shares

https://2020news.de/en/dr-wodarg-and-dr-yeadon-request-a-stop-of-all-corona-vaccination-studies-and-call-for-co-signing-the-petition/

298484 ▶▶ Jo, replying to Ben, 3, #500 of 1162 🔗

Signed last week.

298557 ▶▶ Iansn, replying to Ben, 5, #501 of 1162 🔗

its easy to defund them – stop paying them!

298659 ▶▶▶ thinkaboutit, replying to Iansn, 3, #502 of 1162 🔗

A pleasant side effect of personally defunding them is that it is now illegal for me to watch any of their propaganda, so I don’t. Bliss.

298442 CGL, 7, #503 of 1162 🔗

A couple of weeks ago I was looking for a link to a press conference that Dolores Cahill was involved in with several others. I think it may have been these people – Doctors for Truth:-

https://medicalkidnap.com/2020/10/18/doctors-for-truth-tens-of-thousands-medical-professionals-suing-and-calling-for-end-to-covid-tyranny/

298461 ajb97b, replying to ajb97b, 16, #504 of 1162 🔗

Viral prevalence in London is NOT INCREASING

This graphic shows Positivity Rates (% of tests that are positive). The government have recently increased the level of testing performed in London, and this pushes the “Case Rate per 100k” number up. That metric is not fit for purpose as it increases as more tests are done, even if viral prevalence is unchanged.

Londoners – wake up and defend yourselves !!!

298536 ▶▶ Leemc23, replying to ajb97b, 6, #505 of 1162 🔗

Takes little time to spread fear and many many weeks to unravel. That’s the sad truth.

298465 Margaret, replying to Margaret, 21, #506 of 1162 🔗

In the words of a well-known curmudgeon,

”I don’t believe it!”

OH and I have just visited a fairly large shop which makes and sells curtains, cushions etc, with a view to buying some new ones. It is well known in the area.
We arrived at the store to find a small queue waiting to be admitted on the say-so of a member of staff. There was a notice on the door saying that we would be attended to as soon as possible so that we could have our temperatures taken. What the ….?

Several people came out of the store but a member of staff came to us to say that only one of us could go in at that point. We said we would wait until we could both go in as I like to have the interior design expertise of my husband when we are choosing such large items, as in “ Yes, those will do”

When two more people came out of the shop, I tapped on the window to ask if we could now come in, after all it was a bit nippy out there and our temperatures had already dropped a degree or two.

We were told, like naughty children, that we still had to wait as there was no member of staff to attend to us to take our temperatures.

I wanted to ask them if their thermometer had been properly calibrated and when had their staff been trained to diagnose illness? Why was theirs the only shop in the entire city which required my medical data?

Needless to say, we walked off and spent our money elsewhere.

Oh and there was no sign of any notices about having to wear a mask. Presumably, the thermometer did away with the need to wear them!

298656 ▶▶ thinkaboutit, replying to Margaret, 3, #507 of 1162 🔗

I personally find it outrageous that any old shop or pub could take my temperature. That’s practising medicine without a licence as far as I’m concerned. Post lockdown my hairdresser did that and I found a new hairdresser.

This week I visited the dentist. In May they were doing the temperature checks but not last Tuesday.

298681 ▶▶▶ davews, replying to thinkaboutit, 2, #508 of 1162 🔗

Had my temperature taken in the dentist on Tuesday…. at least they should know something about the readings. Shops and barbers is a different matter.

298489 wat tyler, replying to wat tyler, 3, #509 of 1162 🔗

Hi Toby and everyone ,doe’s anyone know why Talk Radio videos have stopped appearing on youtube since the 7th Dec ?. Mike Graham only yesterday when he was interviewed by the sun commented how the youtube videos were reaching millions of people who don’t listen to radio.They still seem to be appearing on twitter as my sister just sent me one of Carol Mcgiffin . please if anyone knows whats happening post it up because at the moment it is stopping our message reaching tens of thousands each day .

298579 ▶▶ CGL, replying to wat tyler, 1, #510 of 1162 🔗

I think you may have answered your own question

298677 ▶▶ davews, replying to wat tyler, 1, #511 of 1162 🔗

Mike did comment yesterday that youtube wasn’t working but should be sorted soon. Implied it was a technical issue, but I suspect your fears have some truth.

298494 Andrew K, replying to Andrew K, 27, #512 of 1162 🔗

I have some bad news. My wife was speaking to her old work partners in Tanzania who are based in Arusha, where many western tourist go for safari. Although life has long since return to normal with regards to the scandemic, they never locked down and there isn’t a face mask in sight with absolutely no restrictions. yes they did have people dying from Jan-March but that all passed.

They are now really struggling due to there being no tourist. The Tanzanian Government have raised taxes several times as they are skint. Tour guides are selling their Jeeps at rock bottom prices just to survive. Now the really worrying aspect to this that has been forecast by many as one of the long term plans of this fraud; Farmers and home owners are having their assets confiscated by the government when they can’t pay their bills.

They are desperate for tourist, it one of very few places in the world without any Covid restriction. I can put you in touch with people in Arusha who will welcome you with open arms and give you a safari of a lifetime. Let me know if anybody is interested.

298521 ▶▶ Sarigan, replying to Andrew K, 10, #513 of 1162 🔗

The impact of the travel restrictions is far further reaching than 99% of people think. The supply chain is huge and is devastating for countries and destinations reliant on tourism. Very worrying that property is being confiscated.

I run a travel company, drop me a line at Offlands at proton mail dot com. If there is anything I can do to help I will.

298538 ▶▶▶ Andrew K, replying to Sarigan, #514 of 1162 🔗

Thanks Sarigan, I will be in contact later today.

298690 ▶▶▶ Awkward Git, replying to Sarigan, 2, #515 of 1162 🔗

I’m interested in a few weeks on a beach at some point and maybe an independent bush safari soon if things come together with you guys.

keep us updated on how negotiations and plans coming long.

298525 ▶▶ Victoria, replying to Andrew K, 9, #516 of 1162 🔗

Very sad! Most African countries (and other countries) that depend on tourism are badly affected by theses lockdowns / restrictions on travel. It also affect informal traders selling beads, bracelets, carved figures; guest houses including cooks, cleaners and gardeners; cafes and restaurants and so on – very long list.

298544 ▶▶ arfurmo, replying to Andrew K, 9, #517 of 1162 🔗

Problem is that you have a long flight muzzled up. I’ve got the money and time at the moment but couldn’t face the muzzling.

298609 ▶▶▶ dhpaul, replying to arfurmo, 2, #518 of 1162 🔗

I worked in Tanzania for a year in the 90s, would love to go back, but it would need to be a normal flight experience. I have a daughter living in Australia, the thought of when I will get to see her again is a devastating issue.

298570 ▶▶ Ben, replying to Andrew K, 3, #519 of 1162 🔗

The Tanzanian Gov’t must help farmers – not attack them. I wonder if the WEF or the banks have leaned on Tanzania

298640 ▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Ben, 3, #520 of 1162 🔗

Same happening in India.
Farms being landgrabbed. That’s what the Sikh protests have been about.

298620 ▶▶ annie, replying to Andrew K, 2, #521 of 1162 🔗

Do you know if they do horse-riding holidays?If they do, I’m on.

298632 ▶▶▶ Andrew K, replying to annie, #522 of 1162 🔗

I don’t believe they do, sorry.

298706 ▶▶▶ Two-Six, replying to annie, 2, #523 of 1162 🔗

Zebra riding probably.

298509 DRW, replying to DRW, 22, #524 of 1162 🔗

Hi all, today’s stickering target was around a primary school. Specifically electrical cabinets and even Council Heads Shoulders Knees and Toes posters! That might ruffle some feathers in that genteel estate. I might put some Mabel Cow posters up next. I will be honoured if there’s a “Concern as non-fact checked conspiracy misinformation appears around school” headline.

298523 ▶▶ Jo Dominich -, replying to DRW, 3, #525 of 1162 🔗

Good for you. Keep up the good work.

298535 ▶▶ PastImperfect, replying to DRW, 5, #526 of 1162 🔗

Good news. We need this sort of thing to be as ubiquitous as the victory V signs all over Europe in WW2.

298522 kf99, 3, #527 of 1162 🔗

Just listened to Jamie Blackett on Delingpod . Long but worth every minute. He comes across as a breath of fresh air. Excellent on how the SNP has taken advantage of covid.

298524 Cheezilla, 1, #528 of 1162 🔗

Report of court procedings yesterday, re police v protesters:

https://t.me/ProtestEverywhere/988

298528 Cheezilla, 11, #529 of 1162 🔗

Good turnout already (1pm) in Manchester, despite mucky weather:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0FPJIiCkfus

298529 steph, replying to steph, 37, #530 of 1162 🔗

I’ve taken a break from the blog and from all broadcast news for 8 days. It’s been a real boost to my mental health!
Needless to say the situation has not improved at all in that time. The government and most of my fellow citizens are still certifiably insane but I’m not having my nose rubbed in it constantly.
I won’t be contributing much going forward but I will come back from time to time to read the blog and the comments BTL which are mostly very enjoyable and well written.
I wish you all a Merry Christmas and a saner New Year.

298537 ▶▶ Cranmer, replying to steph, 10, #531 of 1162 🔗

Thanks and the same to you. I know it seems nothing has changed but I think things are changing, albeit very slowly – the Drosten case in Germany is very interesting for example.

298627 ▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Cranmer, 1, #532 of 1162 🔗

Big march and rally currently underway in Manchester:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0FPJIiCkfus

298576 ▶▶ CGL, replying to steph, 3, #534 of 1162 🔗

I need to do this too.
Best wishes to you Steph

298580 ▶▶ kh1485, replying to steph, 3, #535 of 1162 🔗

You too Steph. Been nice to exchange posts with you.

298532 Fingerache Philip., replying to Fingerache Philip., 27, #536 of 1162 🔗

“Rethink your Christmas to avoid disaster”; latest bilge from “another” expert: reply to latest expert: How about rethinking your sad little life!

298534 ▶▶ Leemc23, replying to Fingerache Philip., 6, #537 of 1162 🔗

Behavioural Scientist again ? If it’s the same clown as yesterday. Then yep. Ignore.

298545 ▶▶▶ DRW, replying to Leemc23, 18, #538 of 1162 🔗

The disaster they’re worried about is people acting like humans again

298551 ▶▶▶▶ Leemc23, replying to DRW, 2, #539 of 1162 🔗

I watched the Chaplin speech from the Great Dictator yesterday. While it has some overtly global points of view the main point was humanity, kindness and compassion and not being enslaved by dictators who pretend to be benevolent. Many points ring true.

https://youtu.be/w8HdOHrc3OQ

298623 ▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Leemc23, #540 of 1162 🔗

Susan Takingthepi$$ and Devious Truthshredder.

298552 ▶▶ Mrs issedoff, replying to Fingerache Philip., 11, #541 of 1162 🔗

I’ve rethought my xmas. It is going to be bigger and better than ever, I will have as many people that I can squeeze into my average sized house. There will be booze galore, hugs a plenty, music as loud as possible (house is detached so not being anti social!) They can stuff their ludicrous diktats where the sun don’t shine. Everyone welcome over to mine.

298664 ▶▶▶ Fingerache Philip., replying to Mrs issedoff, #542 of 1162 🔗

Have a good time.

298553 George Mc, replying to George Mc, 14, #543 of 1162 🔗

The BBC have reassured us that “Covid Marshalls” don’t have any real powers:

The idea is for Covid marshals to advise and support members of the public and businesses on following social distancing rules.They cannot enforce the rules, but it is hoped they will take some pressure off police and council officers, who do have powers.

And they have reassured us about the vaccine:

It won’t be compulsory though – no other vaccines in the UK are – as experts say this wouldn’t help create confidence in the vaccine.

And that is because “creating confidence” (i.e.compliance) is deemed necessary. And it would make the operation smoother. But, as I have noted, they didn’t come all this way to offer a choice. And the relentless pushing of the “deadly” virus story gives them a cover to, as it were, get tough.

So basically, what they are saying at the moment is, “We’re asking you nicely ….”

298571 ▶▶ GiftWrappedKittyCat, replying to George Mc, 5, #544 of 1162 🔗

And I’m politely refusing.

298575 ▶▶▶ wendyk, replying to GiftWrappedKittyCat, 3, #545 of 1162 🔗

Me too

298601 ▶▶ dhpaul, replying to George Mc, 4, #546 of 1162 🔗

Presumably as places like pubs can bar anyone they like, they could do this to covid marshalls.

298689 ▶▶ Awkward Git, replying to George Mc, 3, #547 of 1162 🔗

Just got back from empty Birmingham, was hoping to bump into one of the 24 marshals that have been reported as prowling round so I could get them to record my questions to the council and Andy Street on their body cams as they all go back to CCTV central station apparently but no sign of them in the bullring or New Street or market areas.

Not many shoppers considering it’s the 2nd last shopping weekend before Christmas (more like a Monday in January don’t let the news tell you any different) , lots of muzzled morons, apathetic sheeple and sanctimonious wankers. Occasional person free faced in the shops.

Where is the anger?

298774 ▶▶▶ Fiona Walker, replying to Awkward Git, 1, #548 of 1162 🔗

I went over the border into York on Thursday and it was sad to see it so quiet. The Christmas market there is a lovely thing, usually, but not on (despite being outside). Sad to see the Three Cranes shut, an old traditional pub in the midst of the market usually packed with revellers and where we usually have a mulled wine and mince pie in the crush. No room for table service I guess. Plenty of buskers so singing must be allowed. The young waitress taking our order in the trendy foodie pub panicked a bit when we answered truthfully where we were from (market town 20 minutes away by bus in T3) despite our assurances that our cases were lower than hers (for what it’s worth: nothing). So want this all to be over, it is so pointless.

298555 Simon Dutton, replying to Simon Dutton, 3, #549 of 1162 🔗

This guy nails it.

Notice the date — April 2020.

https://youtu.be/t2vqjBtnltI

298577 ▶▶ calchas, replying to Simon Dutton, 2, #551 of 1162 🔗

Where the guy is paricularly accurate is in his pointing out the scale of the current financial bubble, compared to the physical economy that backs it.

This, in my view, is what it is fundamentally about.

298654 ▶▶▶ Simon Dutton, replying to calchas, 1, #552 of 1162 🔗

Amen. Fractional reserve banking is an even bigger scam than Covid-19, and just like Bernie Madoff they’ve run out of mugs.

298556 calchas, 8, #553 of 1162 🔗

http://www.frombehindenemylines.org.uk/2020/12/amongst-fear-mongered-vaccine-rollout-anti-climax-old-people-being-used-as-guinea-pigs/

Somebody linked to this article further up.

It is a very good description of the current vaccine situation in the UK.

Recommended.

298562 Danny, replying to Danny, 2, #554 of 1162 🔗

DM headline today…
“Britain should rethink” meeting at Christmas.
First time I’ve ever agreed with them. Not for what they are saying, god no. But the idea that people should actually make decisions themselves instead of being ordered to.
Not sure that’s the lander effect, but I’ll take it.

298582 ▶▶ Dan Clarke, replying to Danny, 1, #555 of 1162 🔗

The majority of the comments are a resounding NO

298598 ▶▶▶ calchas, replying to Dan Clarke, 1, #556 of 1162 🔗

What -in the Guardian – are the censors all on their lunch break?

Ah no – Daily Mail , sorry.

298612 ▶▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to calchas, #557 of 1162 🔗

Daily Mail!

298684 ▶▶▶▶ Old Bill, replying to calchas, 1, #558 of 1162 🔗

What -in the Guardian – are the censors all on their lunch break?

No, that was a different story, they are all on an emergency diversity meeting, one of them asked for an espresso and was handed a flat white instead! Needless to say they were so offended they all downed tools.

298586 ▶▶ Tenchy, replying to Danny, #559 of 1162 🔗

Here’s an extract:

Professor Devi Sridhar [public health adviser and bullshitter], the chair of global public health at the University of Edinburgh, told the Guardian: ‘If people [aren’t] cautious, then we will pay for our Christmas parties with January and February lockdowns.’

‘With a vaccine just weeks away, why risk infecting vulnerable and elderly people we love?’

Professor Susan Mitchie [psychologist, political activist and communist], a psychologist at University College London and member of SAGE, added: ‘One has got to respond to the situation as it is, not the situation as we’d like it to be.’

And Professor Stephen Reicher [social psychologist], Government advisor in the SAGE sub-group dedicated to ensuring the following of public health measures, warned that a plea by health secretary Matt Hancock to stick to the rules ‘missed the point entirely’.

Linda Bauld [behavioural scientist], of the University of Edinburgh, has also warned that relaxing Covid restrictions for five days over the Christmas period is a ‘mistake’ that will have ‘consequences’.

298599 ▶▶▶ CGL, replying to Tenchy, 5, #560 of 1162 🔗

It is a bit strange that not one of these hideous excuses for human beings hasnt had a potshot taken at them yet

298615 ▶▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to CGL, 2, #561 of 1162 🔗

Strange?
A pity!
Unfortunately that would be the excuse to bring in the military.

298603 ▶▶▶ Banjones, replying to Tenchy, 4, #562 of 1162 🔗

”One has got to respond to the situation as it is, not the situation as we’d like it to be.’’

Right. So why are they not responding the situation as it is? A fast vanishing virus, no overwhelmed hospitals, no excess deaths (except probably suicides), no transmission in supermarkets, masks proved ineffective, etc.

‘As we’d like it to be” to prove them right = an enormous spike in Covid related deaths, overwhelmed hospitals, people dying in corridors, full to the brim morgues – would that do?

298631 ▶▶▶ Bill h, replying to Tenchy, 1, #563 of 1162 🔗

Usual morons spouting the same rubbish.

298634 ▶▶▶ A. Contrarian, replying to Tenchy, #564 of 1162 🔗

Christmas parties is rather different from having Granny over for a quiet Christmas lunch, isn’t it?

And we all know we’ll be locked down again in Jan/Feb whether or not they “allow” us to have Christmas.

298647 ▶▶▶ thinkaboutit, replying to Tenchy, 4, #565 of 1162 🔗

All behavioural this and social psychology that. Complete made up claptrap. We should do the opposite of what this bunch of control freak globalist communists say.

298688 ▶▶▶ Two-Six, replying to Tenchy, 1, #566 of 1162 🔗

Despicable people. I bet this psychopath does have all the consequences already lined up for us all.
Linda Bauld [behavioural scientist], of the University of Edinburgh, has also warned that relaxing Covid restrictions for five days over the Christmas period is a ‘mistake’ that will have ‘consequences’.

Behavioural scientists. bastards.

298692 ▶▶▶▶ Arkansas, replying to Two-Six, 1, #567 of 1162 🔗

Certainly, and in the fairly near future, I imagine there will be “consequences” for Linda Bauld, Devi Sridhar, Susan Mitchie and Stephen Reicher – amongst others.

299250 ▶▶▶▶▶ Borisbullshit, replying to Arkansas, #568 of 1162 🔗

Lets hope those consequences involve a rope.

298624 ▶▶ A. Contrarian, replying to Danny, 2, #569 of 1162 🔗

They have been warming us up to this all week, just like they did with masks and Lockdown 2. By the end of next week the temporary “release” will probably be cancelled, or at least subjected to an enormous publicity campaign along the lines of the Santa’s Got Covid advert. We’re letting you do it of course, aren’t we nice, but DON’T DO IT UNDER ANY CIRCUMSTANCES OR YOU’LL KILL GRANNY. Or they will be asking people to “shame” any neighbours who do have family over. Perhaps post dog turds through the letterbox, that kind of thing.

We only did the second lockdown to Save Christmas didn’t we? Would that be enough to wake up the sheeple? No, of course not.

298563 PoshPanic, replying to PoshPanic, 6, #570 of 1162 🔗

Well I will never set foot on a United aircraft again. Fuck them.

https://twitter.com/elizfulop/status/1337608659187032066

298574 ▶▶ Tenchy, replying to PoshPanic, 6, #571 of 1162 🔗

The people responsible are scum arseholes.

298589 ▶▶ calchas, replying to PoshPanic, 3, #572 of 1162 🔗

I have had to take two flights since the farce began – each about one hour.

I, and many others on the planse, spent about half of the time unmasked because we were eeting or drinking.

Presumably, something similar would happen on that plane too.

298594 ▶▶ Banjones, replying to PoshPanic, #573 of 1162 🔗

And Qantas, apparently.

298651 ▶▶ awildgoose, replying to PoshPanic, #574 of 1162 🔗

US airlines are generally terrible. United may be one of the worst, if not the worst.

298564 James Leary #KBF, replying to James Leary #KBF, 2, #575 of 1162 🔗

FWIW

I’ve shared ‘Revealed: the UK’s Covid passport plan’ with you from Spectator

https://app.spectator.co.uk/2020/12/12/revealed-the-uks-covid-passport-plan/content.html

298572 ▶▶ Tenchy, replying to James Leary #KBF, 1, #576 of 1162 🔗

It would be a technological and bureaucratic nightmare of a system. It would cost billions (literally) to ‘implement’ – and it wouldn’t work.

298592 ▶▶▶ Banjones, replying to Tenchy, 2, #577 of 1162 🔗

Perhaps the ”freedom passport” would be easier to implement. This petition is growing suspiciously slowly:
https://petition.parliament.uk/petitions/561818

298607 ▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Tenchy, #578 of 1162 🔗

That hasn’t impeded any of their other schemes to shunt money into the pockets of their pals.

298597 ▶▶ Wank Crapcock, replying to James Leary #KBF, 10, #579 of 1162 🔗

There’s too many leaks in the hull, the grand plan is sinking. Lateral flow tests are the end of this shitshow. Passports and nonsense are just media wank fantasies now, and once the truth is dragged out into the daylight, any subsequent attempts are also doomed to fail. It’s over, they blew it, big time.

298628 ▶▶▶ T. Prince, replying to Wank Crapcock, 4, #580 of 1162 🔗

My fear is that they can’t let the scam be exposed because they will never be trusted again, so they will double down harder for longer until we’re crushed for good

298746 ▶▶▶▶ Be Unshakeable, replying to T. Prince, 1, #581 of 1162 🔗

Most likely, but it will just make the retribution more harsh. They have a closing window of opportunity to save their necks, but since they are inveterate liars, they will squander it. Good.

298650 ▶▶▶ Cranmer, replying to Wank Crapcock, 1, #582 of 1162 🔗

I’d like to think so but it’s a worryingly slow process. With an almost totally complicit media, civil service, education system, police, judiciary (as far as we can tell) it’s hard to see how public opinion can ever change when Joe Public ignores the most outrageous lies told to them, such as the 4000 deaths prediction. Whitty et al even had the gall to say ‘this is not a prediction’ but the government acted as if it were.

298753 ▶▶▶▶ Be Unshakeable, replying to Cranmer, #583 of 1162 🔗

Subject matter experts and lawyers will lead the charge, cheered on by those of us paying attention. Joe Public will not be required to look away from Strictly.

298707 ▶▶▶ James Leary #KBF, replying to Wank Crapcock, 2, #584 of 1162 🔗

Rats 🐀 get very nasty when cornered. You nee a big spade.

298602 ▶▶ Ben, replying to James Leary #KBF, 4, #585 of 1162 🔗

It’s common or garden enslavement. Only the tech shareholders will benefit

298584 Banjones, replying to Banjones, 10, #587 of 1162 🔗

Neville Hodgkinson said:
”The figures have immense implications for Government policy. They call into question the value of the restrictions that are still in place…..”
They actually call into question the very credibility of the Government and BJ, since he hasn’t come out and acknowledged that the projected figures used back in October, as an excuse to bang us up again, have been shown unequivocally to be wrong. That they’ve made on acknowledgement of this shows what shameless lying beggars they are.

298621 ▶▶ A. Contrarian, replying to Banjones, 2, #588 of 1162 🔗

Not only have they made no acknowledgement, they are continuing on the same path – if you have Christmas, half the grannies in the world will be dead by February and the NHS will resemble a field hospital in a war zone by mid Jan.

298648 ▶▶▶ Cranmer, replying to A. Contrarian, 3, #589 of 1162 🔗

Exactly, it never happens, the NHS never collapses, the bodies never pile up in the mortuaries, and yet seemingly 99% of the public believes that somewhere, millions are dropping dead like flies and that if they dare do the wrong thing, they might be next. There’s really no reason why this nonsense cannot continue indefinitely.

298652 ▶▶ Harry hopkins, replying to Banjones, 2, #590 of 1162 🔗

‘shameless lying beggars’

You’re too kind Banjones. More like psychopathic, murdering, pathological lieing excuses for human beings. And even that is being too gentle on them!

298662 ▶▶ Dorian_Hawkmoon, replying to Banjones, #591 of 1162 🔗

I’d be most surprised if Bozo’s Christmas ‘more prison visitors allowed if you promise to be good’ plan lasts, the amount of screaming abdabs going on from SAGE’s model train set nerds.

298588 Dan Clarke, 5, #592 of 1162 🔗

The MSM are obviously being paid to report the scientists comments who want us locked in a test tube and forget Christmas and are not being paid to report the many renowned scientists who think the opposite.

298590 Wank Crapcock, 5, #593 of 1162 🔗

Is it possible for students to achieve herd immunity to a virus that only theoretically exists? This scam is coming apart at the seams. Probably a good time to cash out of Pfizer! Hahahaha.

298596 Cheezilla, replying to Cheezilla, 3, #594 of 1162 🔗

How to maintain a casedemic:
https://www.theguardian.com/education/2020/dec/11/bring-mass-covid-testing-schools-across-england-teachers-urge

Mass Covid-19 testing should be implemented in schools across England, teachers’ leaders have said, amid fury in the north at the speed at which testing has been rolled out in new hotspots in London and the south-east.
Testing should also be extended to primaries, according to the largest education union, which along with others is calling for the closure of schools and a switch to remote learning before the Christmas break.

“We predict that when this testing happens many children will have to be sent home on public health advice. This will lead in practice to a chaotic closure in the last week of term,” said Kevin Courtney, the joint general secretary of the National Education Union.
He said new Office for National Statistics figures showing coronavirus cases were rising again in secondary and primary schools “should be very worrying to the government – especially in the run-up to Christmas”.

298619 ▶▶ A. Contrarian, replying to Cheezilla, 7, #595 of 1162 🔗

I thought they’d decided that primary kids didn’t really get it and didn’t really spread it.

Will this mass testing be LFT or PCR I wonder?

I’m so sick of the education unions. Nothing catastrophic has happened in schools after an entire winter term of teaching (remember when they claimed that schools couldn’t possibly reopen because kids would be traumatised by watching their friends, teachers and families dropping dead left, right and centre) but they are STILL agitating for further closures.

298683 ▶▶ Two-Six, replying to Cheezilla, 1, #596 of 1162 🔗

very worrying

298687 ▶▶ DRW, replying to Cheezilla, 1, #597 of 1162 🔗

So basically: “Some teachers want to WFH”

298604 Polemon2, replying to Polemon2, 7, #598 of 1162 🔗

Why is the NHS incapable of telling the truth? I think LS readers will be well aware of the distortions relating to COVID but it now also seems to extend to flu – albeit in the opposite direction to that which we have got used to.
The current flu vaccine TV avert claims 11,000 flu deaths per year. This number is also quoted elsewhere – “ Flu is dangerous and easily spread, even by people with no symptoms. In an average year the virus kills 11,000 people in England”
However the PHE figures in https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/839350/Surveillance_of_influenza_and_other_respiratory_viruses_in_the_UK_2018_to_2019-FINAL.pdf
show annual rates of
2014-5 28330
2015-6 11875
2016-7 18009
2017-8 26408
an average of 21115
Perhaps they are expecting the missing 10,000 to be classified as COVID deaths in order to boost the COVID numbers?
What other reason could they have to reduce flu numbers?

298608 ▶▶ Wank Crapcock, replying to Polemon2, 8, #599 of 1162 🔗

Since it’s hard to believe anything the government says, how can we have a meaningful conversation about any of the figures it produces?

299117 ▶▶ Jo Dominich -, replying to Polemon2, #600 of 1162 🔗

That’s just what they’ve done. A few days ago it was announced that covid linked deaths had risen from 50000 to 60000

298613 Ben, 5, #601 of 1162 🔗

Let the lockdown unemployed drink champagne

https://twitter.com/robinmonotti/status/1337725228043079681?s=20

298645 ▶▶▶ Charlie Blue, replying to p02099003, 3, #604 of 1162 🔗

It seems the outcome will hinge on who those experts they plan to consult are. I expect the concerns will be buried.

298702 ▶▶▶▶ PoshPanic, replying to Charlie Blue, 2, #605 of 1162 🔗

Yeah, this depressingly seems the likely outcome, but let’s hope. If this is withdrawn, everything else comes crashing down.

298625 alw, replying to alw, 8, #606 of 1162 🔗

Hudson Bay Company company asks Ontario court to intervene against Ontario Government’s Lockdown. Time for our major retailers to grow some and launch challenges to U.K. Government.

https://financialpost.com/news/retail-marketing/hudsons-bay-co-asks-court-to-intervene-against-ontario-governments-lockdown-order

298639 ▶▶ annie, replying to alw, 9, #607 of 1162 🔗

How long, o Lord, how long before some firm in the UK shows a smidgeon of courage?

298644 ▶▶▶ Cranmer, replying to annie, 6, #608 of 1162 🔗

Yes – so far we’ve only had isolated small businesses standing up against the leviathan – almost as if they are examples held up as what will happen if the little man (or woman) dares to speak out.

298657 ▶▶▶ Steeve, replying to annie, #609 of 1162 🔗

Drove past local mini dealer – Animated customer & salesman – outside – both wearing masks. Some way off I think!

298941 ▶▶ Nigel Sherratt, replying to alw, #610 of 1162 🔗

Good to know that the Hudson’s Bay Company is still around. Our local Faversham Oyster Fishery Company is said to have been founded in 1100, I hope that’s true. The brewery was definitely founded in 1698 although there had been brewers on the site since 16th century.

298626 Allen, replying to Allen, 22, #611 of 1162 🔗

12/3019- Ophthalmologist Li Wenliang informed professional colleagues by WhatsApp that there are 7 cases in his hospital that are confirmed positive for SARS.

1/1/20- Christian Drosten from the Charité heard about it and immediately started the development of SARS viruses before it was even clear or could be clear whether the report from China about SARS was true and proven before the Chinese virologists published their results. He testified that as of January 1, 2020, he had developed a genetic detection method to reliably prove the presence of the new corona virus in humans.

1/21/20- 3 days before the first publication of the Chinese Center for Disease Control and Prevention the WHO recommended all nations to use the “safe” test procedure developed by Drosten.

Fact : Drosten used scientifically NOT verified data for his rapidly globalised PRC test of the 2019- nCOV, which was renamed SARS-CoV-2 on February 7, 2020 with the participation of Drosten. The claim that he had a reliable test procedure is completely impossible.

The Drosten PCR test is the foundational protocol for approximately 75% of PCR tests currently being used. In the original Drosten protocol 45 cycles were recommended.

1/23/20- Publication of the development of the test method of Drosten. On page 3 of this article, left column, 8 lines from below, he describes the first and decisive step of his approach:

“Prior to the announcement of public virus sequences from 2019-nCoV cases, we relied on reports in the social media announcing the detection of a SARS-like virus. Therefore, we assumed that a SARS-related CoV was involved in the outbreak.”

1/24/20 and 3/220- The authoritative virologists of the Chinese disease authority published their results on 1/24/20 and 2/3/20. They reported the isolation of “many” short gene sequences , which, when strung together, could represent a genetic strand of a new type of virus.

The authors explicitly pointed out (as well as many other virologists involved to date) that the absolutely necessary experiments have not yet been carried out which would make it possible to claim that this is indeed a genetic strand of a pathogenic virus.

Keep in mind that the PCR protocol developed by Drosten is the head of the snake. Once the PCR tests are invalidated the entire swindle dissipates and withers away. Until this happens the “casedemic” can remain in perpetuity.

Keep in mind that Drosten was directly involved in virtually the same manner in the swine flu hoax of 2009- he is the German analog to the UK’s modelling madman Neil Ferguson who, like Drosten, is wrong on all well-funded predictions which have caused incalculable damage to the general public.

Final Note:

The governments of The West know full well that “Covid” is being used as cover for crashing the economies in the Western world. There is not now and never has been a “pandemic”- that is all Kabuki theater to disguise the reality of rapid economic decline brought on by the Ponzi Schemes of financial institutions over the past few decades.

The US (and much of the Western world) is in economic free fall. This was occurring long before Covid was engineered but now it is moving with much greater velocity.

The collapse started in 2008 and attempts to salvage this Leviathan have been failures only delaying the inevitable. Fast forward to 2019 and the crisis began to unravel again. There was a dramatic decrease in industrial production and then showed up in the banking crisis of August of 2019- the so-called Repo crisis when suddenly banks started to refuse US sovereign debt instruments as collateral of overnight loans forcing the Federal Reserve to step in and basically print money to cover this massive shortage.

So by the time the “Corona virus” appeared the economy of the United States and many other Western countries were in full blown collapse.

The “Corona Virus” has proven to be very useful (coincidentally showed up just in time) by political leaders to mask (metaphor and reality) what was and is going on in the “real world” of the financial trenches. The economic destruction that it is being blamed for this is absolutely extraordinary.

We are suppose to pretend that it’s not economic policy decisions made through the years by financial parasites (who are now here to save and “reset” us) that are destroying our lives but some alien virus. It’s all lies.

Qui Bono?

Profits on Wall Street reached $27.6 billion in the first six months of 2020, an 82% increase over the same period in 2019 and nearly equal to all of 2019’s pre-tax earnings of $28.1 billion.

298642 ▶▶ calchas, replying to Allen, 2, #612 of 1162 🔗

Thanks – outstanding post!

Effective martial law has now been instituted in order to control the collapse as far as possible.

It won’t work – sooner or later it all veer off track, but from their standpoint they have to try.

298643 ▶▶ Harry hopkins, replying to Allen, 3, #613 of 1162 🔗

Well summarised Alan…great stuff! Not that long ago people would have said that this was the stuff of conspiracy theories. After nine months of the chaos, fear and mad cap rules and regulations over a non existent deadly virus, yesterday’s ‘conspiracy theories’ make more sense by the day.

298685 ▶▶▶ calchas, replying to Harry hopkins, #614 of 1162 🔗

Everybody will be a ‘conspiracy theorist’ in twelve months time at the latest.

298778 ▶▶ Be Unshakeable, replying to Allen, #615 of 1162 🔗

Qui Bono?”

Egg Fucking Zacktly

298638 wendyk, replying to wendyk, 8, #616 of 1162 🔗

https://www.scotsman.com/health/coronavirus-scotland-prof-linda-bauld-warns-relaxing-lockdown-restrictions-christmas-mistake-which-will-have-consequences-3065894

More scare mongering! O please, just give us a break, pundits! Life is full of risks and we do not want to spend Christmas in virtuous cold storage!

298660 ▶▶ stefarm, replying to wendyk, 10, #617 of 1162 🔗

allowing friends and family to hug for the first time in months.

how dare anyone tell me and us how to act. Another fucking behavioural scientist.

Fuck off.

https://www.ed.ac.uk/profile/linda-bauld

298686 ▶▶▶ Arkansas, replying to stefarm, 1, #618 of 1162 🔗

“Director of the Institute for Social Marketing.”

Beautifully euphemistic.

298727 ▶▶▶▶ annie, replying to Arkansas, 1, #619 of 1162 🔗

I think it’s a typo for ‘murdering’.

298646 stefarm, replying to stefarm, 15, #620 of 1162 🔗

Are we suffering from pundit overdose.

For the past few years every live sport event has had a host of pundits analysing set plays, batsmens footwork, a horses action, golfers short game all absolute bollocks. Ex players of whatever flavour of the month fashionable colour and creed talking shit.

Now we have scientists, university geeks, doctors and epidemiologists talking shit 24 hours a day.

No wonder heads are spinning.

298663 ▶▶ NorthumbrianNomad, replying to stefarm, 23, #621 of 1162 🔗

Everybody, just please turn the bloody news and current affairs programmes off.

The “breaking news” model and the “perpetual analysis” model were invented by CNN during the first gulf war. Which was also the only time in history when they worked, because actual things were happening all the time. Ever since, the wretched news channels have been desperately sending clowns with umbrellas to report live on heavy showers in Tadcaster and summoning bevies of nobodies to talk guff about fuck all endlessly in a spirit of unvanquishable self-importance. Covid has come as a blessed relief to these beleaguered little editors.

ignore them. Their time is past. Read the news from a variety of sources to inform yourself. Then do something else. We don’t have to sit around the almighty television or radio like our grandparents in the 1940s any more. Auntie Beeb is telling the same story over and over again. Switch the old bat off.

298755 ▶▶▶ Fiona Walker, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, 2, #622 of 1162 🔗

I remember when I was a kid, the news was on at 6pm and 9/10pm and that was it. Happy days!

298816 ▶▶▶ LGDTLK, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, 3, #623 of 1162 🔗

Yep. Turned off the news – radio and tv – about 3 days before the first lockdown. Surprising how pleasant a life without Kuensberg, Peston, Rigby, Burley, Keane, Pym, Edwards, Robinson can be not to mention the useless, simpering local news reporters – a special mention here to BBC1 WM “health” correspondent Michele Paduano. Turn it off and select your news online. You’ll never regret it.

298924 ▶▶▶▶ Nigel Sherratt, replying to LGDTLK, 1, #624 of 1162 🔗

Turned off TV in 2006, Radio 4 not long after, life much improved.

298908 ▶▶▶ PastImperfect, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, 1, #625 of 1162 🔗

1940s, 1950s, ITMA, Charlie Chester Show, Monday Night at 8, Take It From Here, The Goon Show and many others were well worth sitting around the radio to listen to, and everyone did.

298923 ▶▶ Nigel Sherratt, replying to stefarm, #626 of 1162 🔗

We’re definitely in the “Corridor of Uncertainty”.

299115 ▶▶ Jo Dominich -, replying to stefarm, #627 of 1162 🔗

Spot on. the never ending analysis is crap.

298653 DavidC, replying to DavidC, 4, #628 of 1162 🔗

The Neville Hodgkinson piece above is interesting but his data is wrong. So far this year ONS England and Wales registered deaths are 554,919 (5 reporting periods to go). This is around 1,650 deaths per day, not the 1,800 he has cited.

For the last 9 reporting periods since the beginning of October the average total deaths per day is 1,605.

1,800 people a day works out at 657,000 people a year (365 days non leap year). The 5 year average for England and Wales has been 532,100 per year. The 5 year average for the UK is around 598,700 (I couldn’t find 2019 data so I used the previous 5 years).

This makes the prophecy/forecast/prediction of 4,000 a day look even more ridiculous.

DavidC

298665 ▶▶ Bella Donna, replying to DavidC, 7, #629 of 1162 🔗

There are no excess deaths its a diabolical crime against humanity.

298658 GiftWrappedKittyCat, replying to GiftWrappedKittyCat, 9, #630 of 1162 🔗

I think I’m in shock. I’ve just heard the 3pm news bulletin on Radio 2 and there wasn’t one mention of the ‘C’ word!!!!

298667 ▶▶ calchas, replying to GiftWrappedKittyCat, 7, #631 of 1162 🔗

That’s called ‘normalization of the emergency’

If you want to get people to gradually treat the abnormal as normal, then it mkes sense to overtly mention it less and less, without changing the undelying condition.

298726 ▶▶▶ annie, replying to calchas, 2, #632 of 1162 🔗

We can’t win, can we? Either we get saturation C, or it lurks underground.
I’m happy not to hear the bloody word. At least it’s a respite.

298781 ▶▶▶ Be Unshakeable, replying to calchas, 3, #633 of 1162 🔗

Yes. In classical conditioning animal training this is called long schedule reinforcement. Now they have trained the fear response, it does no good to constantly mention it. Infact, the reverse is true, people will become blase. If you never know when more ‘terrible news’ about the ‘pandemic’ will come across the wires, sensitivity is maintained.

298661 kh1485, replying to kh1485, 24, #634 of 1162 🔗

Honestly, surveying the scene in the shop, you would think these people had not a care in the world. I want to go out and yell “will you buggers wake up to what is being done to us all” Their apathy astounds and appals me.

298668 ▶▶ Dan Clarke, replying to kh1485, 7, #635 of 1162 🔗

But, they are ignoring it all, which is what is needed. The people hiding away and hyping this up are the problems

298682 ▶▶▶ kh1485, replying to Dan Clarke, 9, #636 of 1162 🔗

They’re ignoring it to a degree. But they’re all mask wearers. Though, at the moment (yay!) I can hear someone making the sceptics’ argument quite well.

298670 ▶▶ NorthumbrianNomad, replying to kh1485, 14, #637 of 1162 🔗

The people I talk to in the U.K. all seem still to be in “oh, well, can’t do anything about it, mustn’t grumble” mode. Have to wonder what would have to change to tip the balance and activate the supposedly doughty British fighting spirit. Quite a lot, I fear.

298680 ▶▶▶ kh1485, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, 6, #638 of 1162 🔗

You’re so right. No bloody “British fighting spirit” here sadly.

298760 ▶▶▶▶ stefarm, replying to kh1485, 1, #639 of 1162 🔗

All the ‘keep calm and carry on’ bollocks.

298705 ▶▶ watashi, replying to kh1485, 6, #640 of 1162 🔗

me too. I just don t get it. why isn t everyone raging inside?

298666 George Mc, replying to George Mc, 15, #641 of 1162 🔗

Rules for Christmas 2021 (What? You reckon it’s going to be over then? Pfffft!)

1 Keep all gatherings to no more than five minutes. Be sure to maximise the quality time!

2 Keep windows open all the time. You may catch your death of pneumonia but at least it won’t be COVID.

3 No touching.

4 No sharing. If you insist on the grossly irresponsible tradition if exchanging gifts then do so wearing masks and gloves .

5 Do not open any presents until 30 days have passed and do it in an empty field. Be sure to have a bucket of disinfectant ready in case the present bursts into a cloud of COVID.

6 No music. It causes people to get excited and excitement is a source of COVID.

7 No images of Santa. We just don’t like him.

298674 ▶▶ Steeve, replying to George Mc, 8, #642 of 1162 🔗

8a Slow down your breathing to feel more in control.

298678 ▶▶ DRW, replying to George Mc, 7, #643 of 1162 🔗

8 No talking as that is a source of covid
9 Use ear plugs to reduce transmission of covid

298704 ▶▶ godowneasy, replying to George Mc, 4, #644 of 1162 🔗

8 Stick granny in the freezer, otherwise she might fart over the turkey and infect it. If she freezes to death at least she will have avoided COVID.

298749 ▶▶ Fiona Walker, replying to George Mc, 4, #645 of 1162 🔗

If this is still going on in 2021 (gods forbid) I hope that we on this site will organise a mega party and all turn up and have a jolly good, unmasked, unsocially distanced time!

299111 ▶▶▶ Jo Dominich -, replying to Fiona Walker, #646 of 1162 🔗

I will most definitely be there shaking a pretty mean shoe and drinking to excess!!

298757 ▶▶ annie, replying to George Mc, 3, #647 of 1162 🔗

8d. Do not mention Jesus Christ, the Love of God, angels, shepherds, Bethlehem, Love, Hope, Joy, or anything relating to normal human behaviour.

298669 Chicot, replying to Chicot, 9, #648 of 1162 🔗

Apologies if already posted. This is shocking:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8avf2zgjR0U

How the hell are the imbeciles so unaware of what the law actually is? You would think that the police who are supposed to be dealing with this sort of thing would actually be trained to do so but I guess that would be asking too much.

298691 ▶▶ PoshPanic, replying to Chicot, 4, #649 of 1162 🔗

They were probably in there hiding from real criminals

298694 ▶▶ Disbelief, replying to Chicot, 2, #650 of 1162 🔗

Any updates as to what happened next? I am hoping that disciplinary action is launched against the police for this one though I won’t hold my breath.

298699 ▶▶▶ Chicot, replying to Disbelief, 5, #651 of 1162 🔗

I haven’t heard anything but, based on past incidents, the relevant police authority will just issue an apology but nothing else will be done. Hopefully, the victim will sue as he should have a great case with all the video evidence.

298696 ▶▶ mjr, replying to Chicot, 2, #652 of 1162 🔗

as a reminder .. from the government site

Exemption cards If you have an age, health or disability reason for not wearing a face covering:

  • you do not routinely need to show any written evidence of this
  • you do not need show an exemption card

This means that you do not need to seek advice or request a letter from a medical professional about your reason for not wearing a face covering.
However, some people may feel more comfortable showing something that says they do not have to wear a face covering. This could be in the form of an exemption card, badge or even a home-made sign.
Carrying an exemption card or badge is a personal choice and is not required by law.
Additionally
When you do not need to wear a face covering In settings where face coverings are required in England there are some circumstances where people may not be able to wear a face covering.

  • people who cannot put on, wear or remove a face covering because of a physical or mental illness or impairment, or disability
  • where putting on, wearing or removing a face covering will cause you severe distress

Additionally
Enforcement measures for failing to comply with this law Premises where face coverings are required should take reasonable steps to promote compliance with the law.
The police can take measures if members of the public do not comply with this law without a valid exemption and transport operators can deny access to their public transport services if a passenger is not wearing a face covering, or direct them to wear one or leave a service.

298728 ▶▶▶ Tenchy, replying to mjr, 1, #653 of 1162 🔗

The police can take measures if members of the public do not comply with this law without a valid exemption

What, precisely, might this mean?

Might it be sensible to give the gits some random name and address, or do they somehow check this data on the spot? And even if they do – and maybe you gave accurate info – what are they going to refer to if they want to ascertain that you are exempt?

298754 ▶▶▶▶ mjr, replying to Tenchy, 3, #654 of 1162 🔗

a valid exemptions is as defined in the other paragraphs eg wearing a mask causes distress. you do not have to prove it. So a certificate is unnecessary and doctors have been instructed not to provide them anyway. So the police should accept a claim of exemption. You do not have to prove it to them. Unfortunately there are many examples of the police not following the government guidelines

298759 ▶▶▶▶ Chicot, replying to Tenchy, 3, #655 of 1162 🔗

As I understand the law, the police are one of the few people allowed to ask what your exemption is for. However, all you should need to do is to cite “severe distress” and that should be an end of it. It doesn’t have to be medically certified so by law they should just accept that. Of course, this means that anyone who actually knows the law can exempt themselves and not wear a mask.

298775 ▶▶▶▶▶ DavidC, replying to Chicot, 3, #656 of 1162 🔗

That’s not my underrstanding. As far as I am aware, you state you are exempt and that is it, you do NOT have to provide the reason (unless you wish to) or any proof.

DavidC

298784 ▶▶▶▶▶ Sam Vimes, replying to Chicot, 4, #657 of 1162 🔗

No. No. No. Nowhere does the law mention explaining your exemption. To anyone. If you are breaking the law by refusing, you can be asked by a ‘relevant person’ to put on a mask or leave the store. Refusing is not the same as being exempt. The guidance as quoted by mjr is absolutely clear and is all you need.

298938 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Chicot, replying to Sam Vimes, #658 of 1162 🔗

I seem to remember reading somewhere that there were 3 types of people were allowed to ask about your exemption – police, health workers and someone else who I’ve forgotten! However, it doesn’t say anything about this on the government website so it seems you are correct. One thing I did notice is that face shields are not allowed (has this changed recently?) and you still have to wear a mask even with a face shield! One for extreme bedwetters only I guess.

298701 ▶▶ DavidC, replying to Chicot, 1, #659 of 1162 🔗

Astonishing and disgraceful.

DavidC

298708 ▶▶ Cecil B, replying to Chicot, 2, #660 of 1162 🔗

Firstly this officer is a moron
Secondly he knows fuck all about the law

He reminds me of the guy with the haircut in The Office

The law is

Medical records are ‘excluded material’ within the meaning of the Police and Criminal Evidence Act 1984

It is a serious disciplinary offence for and officer to even ask for such information

There is no power of arrest

12
Meaning of “personal records”.

In this Part of this Act “personal records” means documentary and other records concerning an individual (whether living or dead) who can be identified from them and relating—

(a)
to his physical or mental health;

(b)
to spiritual counselling or assistance given or to be given to him; or

(c)
to counselling or assistance given or to be given to him, for the purposes of his personal welfare, by any voluntary organisation or by any individual who—

(i)
by reason of his office or occupation has responsibilities for his personal welfare; or

(ii)
by reason of an order of a court has responsibilities for his supervision.F

298710 ▶▶ Tenchy, replying to Chicot, 6, #661 of 1162 🔗

This just confirms that the police are a load of bottom feeding human scum. Perhaps the worst thing about this is, the victim will be handcuffed, DNA-raped, fingerprinted, photographed and banged up in a cell. All the records will be stored on the PNC and he’ll have hell’s own job to get them deleted, whatever the outcome. This incident demonstrates how we live in a police state, and have in fact done so for some time.

298719 ▶▶ Two-Six, replying to Chicot, 1, #662 of 1162 🔗

What’s in the clip? I don’t want to watch.

298756 ▶▶▶ mjr, replying to Two-Six, 2, #663 of 1162 🔗

the usual police not following the government guidelines on masks and exemptions

298817 ▶▶ arfurmo, replying to Chicot, 1, #664 of 1162 🔗

Can someone tweet this to Simon Dolan please?

298671 Dan Clarke, replying to Dan Clarke, 11, #665 of 1162 🔗

Most of our institutions seem to live in a world of waffle, they enjoy it, and will waffle forever as long as they dont need to do any real work, school teacher’s and civil servants in the family are loving sorting out ‘bubbles’, car bubbles, home bubbles, I really think its giving some people a purpose to their life

298724 ▶▶ Alethea, replying to Dan Clarke, 8, #666 of 1162 🔗

Bubbles are a delightful feature of a bath or a chocolate bar. That’s about it.

298752 ▶▶▶ stefarm, replying to Alethea, 3, #667 of 1162 🔗

I eat 2 tins of beans and then have a jacuzzi in the bath. Lots of bubbles

298994 ▶▶▶▶ Two-Six, replying to stefarm, #668 of 1162 🔗

that’s your support bubble that is

298672 Binra, 4, #669 of 1162 🔗

“how will the Government create the illusion that the vaccine is working? Will they test fewer people? Increase the number of cycles used in the PCR testing lab to identify fragments of the virus? Or finally admit that the test is unreliable and not to be trusted?

You are catching on. There’s nothing new under the Sun here excepting the use of it to crash the global Economy and restructure the narratives by which identity is assigned permission to exist.

The history of the contagious pathological virus part is not as the victors tell it.
Few look under the carpet and those that do and try to speak out are pushed under and out of social acceptance. For the order we live in is built on the lies by which an established order evades its toxic consequence by redistributing the ongoing and persisting effect to the body politic.

A lie is not enough to cover sins. It must be an aggressively active lie. That is it must attack and undermine truth so as to demonise the conditions of its own disclosure.
The original mistake is correctable, but the overlay of masking defences that would kill the truth to save the lie that hides the error are ‘too big to fail’ or rather, to allow into open awareness. And so rather than release a poor investment that has accrued so much toxic debt as to invoke an existential guilted terror – the persistence of the error compounds toxic guilt as the basis for a New Order.

Life defined as sick, contagious and set in an irrevocable systemic guilt – unless permitted dispensations of temporary immunity and carbon guilt trades allow life to move along proscribed rules.

As I see, we are beings of choice, and in order to be a choice we must know what we are choosing between or it will not be a choice. The uncovering of what we are NOT – but thought to be, is the opening of the recognition of being through not choosing it, and leaving mind open.
That Life is already alive, means that a greater reality doesn’t wait on our permission to Be All That it Is, but does wait on acceptance to be revealed and express through us.
We do not recognise our own rules and filters to be blocks to an unfolding fulfilment because they are the expression of old conditioned patterns of fear and control that had a developmental role in bringing us to who we are now able to accept and recognise truly.

You might see this as an alternate offer to reset into tighter controls set against systemic fear. But unlike a virtual ‘escape’ it brings us awake through the revisiting of experience we did not want to relive – but from a new perspective of aligned and integrative purpose.
That this reaches beyond our current conception is not significant so much as living an active willingness in place of a reactive habit we are no longer so identified in as to run automatically or blind.

298675 calchas, replying to calchas, 31, #670 of 1162 🔗

Not a minute of all that we have missed over the last nine months will ever be given back, or can be given back.

Our lives – and all that makes them worth living – are being stolen from us.

298722 ▶▶ annie, replying to calchas, 9, #671 of 1162 🔗

Mine isn’t. .I make it worth living in different ways.
They steal trash – that is, the worthless zombies that I used to associate with.
That said, I am still very, very angry.

298904 ▶▶▶ CGL, replying to annie, 1, #672 of 1162 🔗

I would like to make it worth it but when you’re working from home at this time of the year there is no outside time 5 days a week. No fresh air, no sunshine, no exercise. Just working, eating, (online) food shopping, sleeping and nothing to look forward to – no holidays or days out to plan, as the kids are at school. It’s not life or living – it’s just existing.

298920 ▶▶▶▶ Nigel Sherratt, replying to CGL, 1, #673 of 1162 🔗

Get up early and go for a walk, the cure for all ills (I’m a fine one to talk but it’s true, lots of research to support the thesis). Maybe cut back on the booze too (see above!).

298807 ▶▶ John P, replying to calchas, 1, #674 of 1162 🔗

Your defeatism is understandable, but that doesn’t make it useful.

298676 Awkward Git, replying to Awkward Git, 3, #675 of 1162 🔗

Slightly off-topic but a good admission by Biden if this leaked call is true:

http://82.221.129.208/theybeatthehelloutofus.mp4

298914 ▶▶ Nigel Sherratt, replying to Awkward Git, 2, #676 of 1162 🔗

I like the theory that he keeps blurting out things he’s heard discussed by his keepers as a result of his obvious dementia. Like “We have put together, I think, the most extensive and inclusive voter fraud organization in the history of American politics”.

298693 Sarigan, replying to Sarigan, 43, #677 of 1162 🔗

Me in future, selling holidays:

“Hi, I have a few questions to ask before I can look at booking your holiday for you, is that ok?”

1). Did you wear a mask during the ‘pandemic’?
You did? Ok I will give you the benefit of the doubt, you may be in the vulnerable category. Can you answer the following follow up question?

2) Did you at anytime wear a mask in the open air or in the car on you own?
You did? I am sorry, I cannot sell you a holiday, you do not deserve one.

298721 ▶▶ annie, replying to Sarigan, 4, #678 of 1162 🔗

A fortnight in Wormwood Scrubs perhaps?

298725 ▶▶ Two-Six, replying to Sarigan, 9, #679 of 1162 🔗

Perhaps you could find a few of the worst ever covid safe holidays and sell them. 18 house in a mask and visor, repeated testing, the danger of random imprisonment in a horrible foreign jail, mandatory face masking everywhere and brutal police.

Make up a special package of extra covid hell for the zealots. They will love it.

298739 ▶▶▶ annie, replying to Two-Six, 7, #680 of 1162 🔗

The zealots must be sent to a place where there are no masks, everybody jostles and pushes in queues, and nobody covers his mouth when he coughs, even at point-blank range.

298802 ▶▶▶▶ John P, replying to annie, 2, #681 of 1162 🔗

2019?

298799 ▶▶▶ Old Bill, replying to Two-Six, 1, #682 of 1162 🔗

They are known as ‘staycations’ these days.

298895 ▶▶ CGL, replying to Sarigan, 1, #683 of 1162 🔗

Please do let us know what happens!!!! I’d love to be a fly on the wall for that conversation.

298703 D. D. Freund, replying to D. D. Freund, #684 of 1162 🔗

you write:”Will they test fewer people? Increase the number of cycles used in the PCR testing lab to identify fragments of the virus? ”
Perhaps you meant ‘decrease’ instead of ‘increase’?

298715 ▶▶ Arkansas, replying to D. D. Freund, #685 of 1162 🔗

Or “decease”.

298712 RickH, replying to RickH, 11, #686 of 1162 🔗

I had just read the piece referenced earlier by the inimitable swedenborg – about the possibility of SARS-Cov-2 originating in an escape from a Wuhan lab :

https://jamiemetzl.com/origins-of-sars-cov-2/

… and was contemplating this as the possible reason for the ‘co-ordinated panic and hysteria’ that kicked off this whole business. Was it high level intelligence impressing itself on politicians in the western world? – later developing its own momentum.

Then I turn to the item by Neville Hodgkinson in today’s edition, and find this :

I suspect now that a key reason for the panic was high-level knowledge that the virus was a chimera – a product of so-called “gain-of-function” genetic engineering at China’s Wuhan Institute of Virology”

It could explain a lot – and more credibly than the ‘Great Reset’ theory, which requires a much more complex network of agreement.

Which is not to discount other motivations piling in on the opportunity – or being there in the first place (such as the ‘follow the money scenario’) – but gets round the simplistic prime mover of conspiracy theory, and fits in with the ‘opportunism’ outlined by Mike Yeadon.

298716 ▶▶ calchas, replying to RickH, #687 of 1162 🔗

https://lockdownsceptics.org/2020/12/12/latest-news-221/#comment-298626

Better than Great Reset theory, which in my view is probably opportunistic.

298732 ▶▶▶ RickH, replying to calchas, #688 of 1162 🔗

Just needs an Occam shave.

298801 ▶▶▶ John P, replying to calchas, 2, #689 of 1162 🔗

I think big pharma and the revolving door is most relevant:

By Tom Jefferson in 2017:

https://blogs.bmj.com/bmj/2017/12/06/tom-jefferson-the-uk-turns-to-witty-vallance-and-van-tam-for-leadership-revolving-doors/

298764 ▶▶ Jonathan Palmer, replying to RickH, 2, #690 of 1162 🔗

This theory is at odds with the first calm and measured response of the government.Sage wasn’t advocating lockdown at all.Remember Covid was taken off the list of highly infectious diseases before lockdown.There was a political will to go into lockdown for reasons as yet unknown.

298771 ▶▶▶ John P, replying to Jonathan Palmer, 3, #691 of 1162 🔗

“the first calm and measured response of the government”

lol, fuck me I must have missed that.

298765 ▶▶ DavidC, replying to RickH, #692 of 1162 🔗

It could very well be, it would certainly explain the reactions of governments. However, it is NOT reflected on the bottom line. specifically numbers of deaths. In the UK we are absolutely on the average (population adjusted) – in fact death rates have been falling so any uptick looks worse than it actually is in the long term.

DavidC

298840 ▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to DavidC, #693 of 1162 🔗

It wouldn’t need a high level of deaths.
Taking out the “useless eaters” would suffice, linked to an outrageous engendering of unnecessary fear though hyperbole and a campaign of constant fearmongering propaganda.

298713 godowneasy, replying to godowneasy, 1, #694 of 1162 🔗

What an amazing guy Boris is – not only is he sorting out the rona and preparing an oven-ready brexfast, but he is saving the planet at the same time. He is marching the UK towards population-neutrality – or was that carbon? – same thing anyways. I don’t know what he’s taking but it seems like he’s on some kind of chemically driven roller-coaster. I wish I could could get a dose of that. Speaking at the Climate Ambition Summit 2020, Johnson said:

UK Prime Minister Boris Johnson said the year was coming to an end with “a certain amount of scientific optimism” because “barely 12 months after the start of the pandemic, we’re seeing the vaccine going into the arms of the elderly”.
He added: “Together we can use scientific advances to protect our entire planet – our biosphere – against a challenge far worse, far more destructive even than the coronavirus. And by the promethean power of our invention, we can begin to defend the Earth against the disaster of global warming.”

https://www.bbc.com/news/science-environment-55276769

298744 ▶▶ Barney McGrew, replying to godowneasy, 6, #695 of 1162 🔗

I fear that Boris still has Churchillian pretensions. He may be planning to cement his legacy through ‘green growth’. Having ruined the economy, he is the one to bring back growth and jobs via expansion of nationalised green industry. This would be a bit similar to the installation of the national grid after the Great Depression – except of course this would be a symbolic gesture rather than something we genuinely needed.

298761 ▶▶▶ DavidC, replying to Barney McGrew, 7, #696 of 1162 🔗

I’m sorry but he’s a dick. He may be shrewd politically (even that’s moot!) but he is not clever by any stretch of the imagination and an ability to recite or quote Greek or ancient poetry is not qualification for being a Prime Minister.

DavidC

298794 ▶▶▶▶ Barney McGrew, replying to DavidC, 4, #697 of 1162 🔗

I didn’t say he isn’t a dick!

299101 ▶▶▶▶ Jo Dominich -, replying to DavidC, 1, #698 of 1162 🔗

Quite simply put he hasn’t got a clue about politics, Government, responsible stewardship or leadership. He’s in it for power money and what he perceives to be Legacy with his name on it.

He’s lurching from one ‘crisis’ issue du jour to another whatever is trending.

ffs he’s been sacked from two jobs for lying. He is a dangerous narcissist and a patological liar. Unfortunately the british people saw fit to vote for his government and him as Prime Minister.

299251 ▶▶▶▶▶ Borisbullshit, replying to Jo Dominich -, #699 of 1162 🔗

Not really we thought Johnson was utter shit. The only problem was that Corbyn seemed even worse.

298828 ▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to godowneasy, 1, #700 of 1162 🔗

we’re seeing the vaccine going into the arms of the elderly.

I thought hugs were illegal!

More destructive even than the mockdown coronavirus

He must be on something!

 Promethean power of our invention

FFS!

298714 swedenborg, replying to swedenborg, 2, #701 of 1162 🔗

Netherlands. Daily new confirmed cases per million.7 days average. Is this a normal epidemic curve in this seasonal wave? Hardly. There must be some form of test artefact in this pattern. In this chaotic mass testing there is bound to be more artefacts with masses of cases asymptomatic and testing using different methods. The death curve in Netherlands doesn’t, at this stage, has that rebound. Extremely difficult to assess impact and one  must be relying on deaths, hospitalizations and ICU use. But even that not totally reliable with risk of overdiagnosis. This is going to be a mess to figure out for our inept politicians. Used the NL figures as they are a bit in front of UK in the seasonal wave but slightly similar curve seems to be building up.

298729 ▶▶ RickH, replying to swedenborg, 4, #702 of 1162 🔗

‘Cases’. ‘Confirmed’ – how?

‘Nuff said.

No sign of any ‘wave’ here in the UK – even given the time-lag for reliable data, although we might have yet another premature ejaculation from the usual suspects.

P.S – in terms of hysterical pronouncements – when the Chuckle Brothers famously said ‘4000’ deaths a day, I put my money where my mouth is – on ~12,500 per week (all cause).

Check out the numbers.

298742 ▶▶ Ben, replying to swedenborg, 4, #703 of 1162 🔗

‘Cases’ – asymptomatic cases?

This is meaningless garbage. Politicians are not inept, they know what they’re doing

298768 ▶▶▶ John P, replying to Ben, 1, #704 of 1162 🔗

Agree with the first bit. But the second bit is rubbish – politicians do not know what they are doing.

298825 ▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Ben, 1, #705 of 1162 🔗

Mine’s pretty inept – he thinks a YouGov poll is a reliable guide for making policy decisions.
He also thinks Richie Satan’s furlough policy will save the economy.

298758 ▶▶ DavidC, replying to swedenborg, 3, #706 of 1162 🔗

NO. POSITIVE TEST RESULTS, NOT cases!

DavidC

298824 ▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to swedenborg, #707 of 1162 🔗

Nothing natural about that line!

298896 ▶▶ Allen, replying to swedenborg, #708 of 1162 🔗

The Netherlands increased the mandated PCR cycles in their national tests to 45 right around early September. This one was blatant.

298718 annie, 19, #709 of 1162 🔗

Have you noticed that the Fuzz is now nappied when in its car, even if it’s the only one?
Their breath must be really, really poisonous,
,

298720 p02099003, replying to p02099003, 2, #710 of 1162 🔗
298762 ▶▶ calchas, replying to p02099003, 1, #711 of 1162 🔗

Nice to hear that.

I had begun to associate an antipodean accent with Covid authoritarianism.

298795 ▶▶▶ John P, replying to calchas, 1, #712 of 1162 🔗

You haven’t watched Sky News Australia have you?

298723 Silke David, 17, #713 of 1162 🔗

Just checked the update, apparently they conducted over 400k PCR tests in 24h?
How? with a capacity of over 500k now.
How can this be done within proper scientific accuracy??

And…. how much of our taxpayers money are we spending on this waste of time?

298731 calchas, replying to calchas, 28, #714 of 1162 🔗

Belgian interview with clinical psychologist:

https://www.knack.be/nieuws/wetenschap/in-de-coronacrisis-is-de-publieke-opinie-in-de-greep-van-absurde-oordelen/article-opinion-1634377.html?cookie_check=1607778074

Summary:

This professor of clinical psychology explains why people become so angry when you question any aspect of Covid-19, such as lockdowns or the severity of the illness.

Many people lack of meaning in their lives and have high rates of depression and anxiety. They do not understand why they feel this pain. They use Covid-19 as an enemy that provides an explanation for their pain. They can clearly think, “I am feeling anxiety because of Covid-19.” Being worldwide, Covid-19 is a common enemy. They see others attribute their pain to Covid-19, which confirms their own beliefs that Covid-19 is the source of their pain. Before, they did not understand why they felt pain, and they felt alone. When you question any aspect of Covid-19, to these people, you are threatening to take away the explanation for their pain. They do not want to return to a state where they feel a lack of meaning, depression, and anxiety without understanding why. That is why they react so strongly.

298733 ▶▶ annie, replying to calchas, 16, #715 of 1162 🔗

Intriguing.
What miserable, meaningless lives such people must always have led.

298743 ▶▶▶ calchas, replying to annie, 20, #716 of 1162 🔗

Until recently for people like this, life held real challenges, which gave their lives meaning.

The last few decades have seen:

the rise of secularism

the increase of choice in every conceivable life-situation, without any solid deep-felt rationale for choice

Screens dominate peoples’ lives more and more

Mass anonymous societies leaving no anchor, no structure in peoples’ lives.

…and so on.

I think the ‘pandemic’ was strewn on fertile ground in many ways

298767 ▶▶▶▶ peyrole, replying to calchas, 8, #717 of 1162 🔗

Yes, a lot of people want something, anything to believe in. They also don’t want ‘choices’ it frightens them.

298766 ▶▶▶ John P, replying to annie, 1, #718 of 1162 🔗

Depression is a little like grieving the loss of a loved one. Very painful if you don’t know how to deal with it.

And I don’t think that depression is in any way linked to covid conformism.

298740 ▶▶ RickH, replying to calchas, 2, #719 of 1162 🔗

Not sure about that simplistic explanation, given that it might apply to some individuals.

There’s several other analyses that can explain resistance to shifting perspective.

298745 ▶▶▶ calchas, replying to RickH, 1, #720 of 1162 🔗

I agree.

I do think that it accounts for some of that resistance though.

298748 ▶▶ peyrole, replying to calchas, 7, #721 of 1162 🔗

My wife has been telling me for months this is exactly the reason for people’s behaviour.
Very sad.

298763 ▶▶▶ peyrole, replying to peyrole, 15, #722 of 1162 🔗

I should have added that my wife believes they also WANT to see those they perceive as having more meaningful lives , however you measure that in their minds, brought down to their level of existence. They don’t want to return to ‘old normal’ because of what the pyschiatrist said but also because that would give others a better life again, and they don’t want to see that.
There must be over 50% of most western population in this category, sad and frightening.

298779 ▶▶▶▶ calchas, replying to peyrole, 14, #723 of 1162 🔗

“…but also because that would give others a better life again, and they don’t want to see that.”

This is absolutely bang on.

Economically, it is like poor people in a Communist society where eevryone is equally poor. If markets are freed, then those with initiative and ability will get ahead, so that those without those qualities will suffer on a relative basis.

Now think about all the people in western societies who for whatever reason have always lacked a social sense and therefore don’t have the ability to enjoy life and make friends easily. Think of all the people who for whatever reason lack joie de vivre or the means or the wherewithal of character to travel, take risks and enjoy life. Think of all of life’s puritans, think of all those aging curtain-twitchers who never really lived, and who know they have never really lived.. Think of all the bureaucratically-oriented control freaks. All of these, along with assorted nerds, ugly people and virtue-signallers make up lockdown’s natural constituency, because for the first time in their lives we are all at their level.

298872 ▶▶▶▶▶ Laura Suckling, replying to calchas, 2, #724 of 1162 🔗

Oh, that’s a very interesting perspective. I’m going to copy and paste it to discuss with my friend (a psychologist) next time we talk.

298984 ▶▶▶▶▶ Two-Six, replying to calchas, 1, #725 of 1162 🔗

Yep, I think there is a lot in this.

299092 ▶▶▶▶▶ Jo Dominich -, replying to calchas, 1, #726 of 1162 🔗

You’ve nailed it. There are more of these people out there than us sceptics I think.

299103 ▶▶▶▶▶ Sophie123, replying to calchas, 1, #727 of 1162 🔗

I think you have it. Terrifying we are being held to ransom by the massed ranks of inadequates.

298783 ▶▶▶▶ Mabel Cow, replying to peyrole, 9, #728 of 1162 🔗

People become addicted to their own grief. To lose their grief is to lose their identity. The ego cannot tolerate it’s own death and will defend its position to the end.

298973 ▶▶▶▶ Two-Six, replying to peyrole, 3, #729 of 1162 🔗

I think there is a lot in this, jealousy and the desire to see others having a time that is at least as shit as the time they are having. I think this mindset has been cultivated by propaganda in the shape of TV programs that make the viewers dislike the group of people they are watching for some reason or another. The reasons to dislike those others are given to the viewer and play on traditional long standing cultural “values” and prejudices.

There is a reason for everybody and a group to dislike/feel jealous of for everybody.

298791 ▶▶ Old Bill, replying to calchas, 12, #730 of 1162 🔗

Many people lack of meaning in their lives and have high rates of depression and anxiety. They do not understand why they feel this pain. They use Covid-19 as an enemy that provides an explanation for their pain. They can clearly think, “I am feeling anxiety because of Covid-19.” Being worldwide, Covid-19 is a common enemy. They see others attribute their pain to Covid-19, which confirms their own beliefs that Covid-19 is the source of their pain. Before, they did not understand why they felt pain, and they felt alone. When you question any aspect of Covid-19, to these people, you are threatening to take away the explanation for their pain. They do not want to return to a state where they feel a lack of meaning, depression, and anxiety without understanding why. That is why they react so strongly.

I see it very, very differently.

“Many people lack of meaning in their lives and have high rates of depression and anxiety.”

Describes my life perfectly since the invention of Covid.

“They do not understand why they feel this pain”

I understand perfectly why I feel this pain, it begins with ‘B’ and ends with ‘J’.

“They use Covid-19 as an enemy that provides an explanation for their pain”

I use ‘BJ’ as my explanation for my pain.

“I am feeling anxiety because of Covid-19.” Being worldwide, Covid-19 is a common enemy. They see others attribute their pain to Covid-19, which confirms their own beliefs that Covid-19 is the source of their pain”

Substitute Fascism for Covid-19 and the sentence makes sense.

“Before, they did not understand why they felt pain, and they felt alone”

Before I did not feel this pain and did not feel alone.

“When you question any aspect of Covid-19, to these people, you are threatening to take away the explanation for their pain”

When you question any aspect of Covid-19 you threaten to end my pain and I thank you.

“They do not want to return to a state where they feel a lack of meaning, depression, and anxiety without understanding why. That is why they react so strongly.”

I sincerely do want to return to a state where my life has meaning, lacks the ever present depression and anxiety, and understand exactly how this can happen. This is why I react so strongly.

298877 ▶▶ CGL, replying to calchas, 3, #731 of 1162 🔗

My anger comes from the depression they are creating for me. I did have a lot of meaning to my life, but I don’t have any now, because of THEM!

298735 DRW, replying to DRW, 12, #732 of 1162 🔗

I can just imagine around October every year the MiniTrue will tell us “Pressure grows for lockdown amidst virus surge.” England’s supposedly worrying uptick of colds and flu has a–apparently soared to grim milestones of 12 month highs and feared to be upwardly spiralling expontentially. Insidious College modelling will be forecasting 10,000 deaths a day without action and their arse-talking cunts’ scripts will claim viruses are “exploding everywhere” and be demanding “tougher restrictions” and that “we all must act accordingly or risk our communities, loved ones and NHS.” Yet another crappy Christmas this year but we’ll have hopefully beaten death by next year. What a glorious idiocracy.

298750 ▶▶ DavidC, replying to DRW, 7, #733 of 1162 🔗

The week of peak deaths this year was around 22,000, around 3,140 per day – AT PEAK. Supposedly we are now going to see over THREE times that number during the second/third/fourth/nth wave, something has NEVER happened in the history of viral disease.

DavidC

298862 ▶▶▶ DRW, replying to DavidC, 5, #734 of 1162 🔗

We’re in a post-evidence era, the 4000 deaths/day non-prediction was complete wank but still suceeded in getting LD2.

298922 ▶▶ Edward, replying to DRW, 1, #735 of 1162 🔗

Yes, even if we manage to get out of the current mess, the danger is that lockdown will become the first resort when it should be the last.

298736 Ben, 4, #736 of 1162 🔗
298737 p02099003, replying to p02099003, 16, #737 of 1162 🔗

e-mail from my employers:
Dear colleague,

We are due to commence the roll out of asymptomatic ‘Lateral Flow Testing’ within the organisation from next week .

This rollout is part of a national programme, of which some of you will already be taking part in. This will be a phased approach targeting patient facing/111 staff first before rolling out further.

The Lateral Flow testing kits are simple to use and are self-administered at home, twice weekly, to detect the presence of COVID-19 from a nasal swab sample.

Further information will be provided soon to outline the process for collecting your test kit and how to submit your results.

This is from the FAQ:

ASYMPTOMATIC LATERAL FLOW TESTING FAQ

1.What do you mean by asymptomatic staff testing?
Asymptomatic means someone who has no symptoms of a disease, in this case coronavirus.
Evidence has shown that people infected with COVID-19 can have no symptoms and still transmit the virus to others without being aware . It is important that we take steps to reduce the risk of transmission by identifying those who may not know they have the virus and therefore staff without symptoms will be tested.
2. What will the test show?
The test detects the presence of the virus and will tell you if you are currently infected with COVID-19. However, the test doesn’t distinguish between live or dead virus and therefore viral swabs can sometimes continue to detect viral DNA for a few weeks following infection.
3. Is testing voluntary?
All testing is voluntary; however, we strongly encourage staff to get tested to keep themselves, their colleagues, patients, and families safe.

Can someone please provide this evidence of asymptomatic viral spread.

298751 ▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to p02099003, 1, #738 of 1162 🔗

Someone posted earlier a letter about increased community testing. It said that if you’d had a positive test in the last 12 weeks, not to undergo the new test as you could get a false positive result.

12 weeks!!!!!

298773 ▶▶ peyrole, replying to p02099003, 1, #739 of 1162 🔗

I think you may be waiting a long time for that evidence. They tell lies.

298786 ▶▶ DocRC, replying to p02099003, 4, #740 of 1162 🔗

There isn’t any!

298793 ▶▶▶ p02099003, replying to DocRC, 8, #741 of 1162 🔗

I have sent an email asking for a reference to show the asymptomatic spread is real. I know that they won’t be able to produce one.
It says that if a person gets a positive result from the lateral flow test then they should book a confirmatory RT-PCR test as the lateral flow cannot distinguish between active virus and viral particles! I’ve also mentioned in the email about the RT-PCR.

298821 ▶▶▶▶ Peter Thompson, replying to p02099003, 16, #742 of 1162 🔗

The evidence for asymptomatic spread came from early Chinese scientific papers. There are no peer referenced papers from any western nation which supports aymptomatic spread. It is theoretically possible but in reality extremely rare. The WHO was convinced to support the theory of asymptomatic spread and hence the worldwide face knicker mandate. 2020 is the year when evidence based medicine was thrown in the dustbin.

298838 ▶▶▶▶▶ janis pennance, replying to Peter Thompson, 3, #743 of 1162 🔗

Yep , said this a couple of hours ago , everything we have learned in over 100 years … binned

298805 ▶▶ PoshPanic, replying to p02099003, 3, #744 of 1162 🔗

Not sure what’s most worrying, the fact they’re using evidence for transmission that has been pulled apart, or that they can’t differentiate between the virus and the disease!

298871 ▶▶ CGL, replying to p02099003, #745 of 1162 🔗

I thought it had been dis-proved? Or was the Chinese research just trolling as someone suggested?

299085 ▶▶ Fiona Walker, replying to p02099003, #746 of 1162 🔗

Self administered, at home? I know what I would be doing. Fido, sit!

299086 ▶▶ Jo Dominich -, replying to p02099003, #747 of 1162 🔗

There err isn’t any. WHO said (and they are not trustworthy as they keep changing their natrative when political pressure is applied) that there is not one single incident in the world where there has been asymptomatic transmission no case evidence anywhere!! But I appreciate it was a rhetorical question!

298738 Fiona Walker, replying to Fiona Walker, 30, #748 of 1162 🔗

I have bought “mask exempt” cards and lanyards as stocking fillers for my friends and family – even the sheeple. I would love to see their faces although I haven’t for quite a while anyway in some cases.

298858 ▶▶ watashi, replying to Fiona Walker, #749 of 1162 🔗

where was the best place you found to purchase them please? I would like to get a couple.

298869 ▶▶▶ CGL, replying to watashi, 1, #750 of 1162 🔗

I got mine from Etsy. I think Toby has a load of links above in the muzzle section near the bottom of the daily stuff.

299083 ▶▶▶ Fiona Walker, replying to watashi, #751 of 1162 🔗

On Amazon (I really did try elsewhere but I needed them quickly and a certain number). They arrived the next day and look good, sunflower lanyard, plastic wallet and a double sided card “I am exempt from wearing a face covering” on one side and the “be kind, thank you for understanding, keep your distance” on the other . There is also an ID card to fill in to pop in the plastic wallet if you wish – in Mandarin! I think they saw us coming…

299149 ▶▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Fiona Walker, #752 of 1162 🔗

You should change the flipside to read
be kind, thank you for understanding, give us a hug

298747 Zak Thelotofem, replying to Zak Thelotofem, 15, #753 of 1162 🔗

UK PCR Testing (per thousand people):

APRIL 7th: 0.26 / 1000

DEC 9th: 4.58 / 1000

RELATIVE CHANGE: + 1641%

Think Clare Craig, Mike Yeadon & Ivor Cummins might be on to something?

299137 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to Zak Thelotofem, #754 of 1162 🔗

In my local area its seen that kind of increase in August alone. I wrote to my MLA(Northern Ireland) at the time saying as schools were due to reopen weare creating our own mess due to PCR nonsense.

It took until last week and three further emails for him to respond. He has forwarded by questions on false positive rates and cycle thresholds “to the relevant department”.

Uselss, I basically do it to vent.

298769 Beowa, replying to Beowa, 14, #755 of 1162 🔗

This is allegedly Sainsburys in Hereford

Looks like false arrest, assault, harassment and a disability hate crime

(1) Arrested for not wearing a mask – YouTube

298785 ▶▶ Mr Dee, replying to Beowa, 11, #756 of 1162 🔗

Utterly illegal.

From the English Govt website:

https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/face-coverings-when-to-wear-one-and-how-to-make-your-own/face-coverings-when-to-wear-one-and-how-to-make-your-own

Exemption cards If you have an age, health or disability reason for not wearing a face covering:

  • you do not routinely need to show any written evidence of this
  • you do not need show an exemption card

This means that you do not need to seek advice or request a letter from a medical professional about your reason for not wearing a face covering.
However, some people may feel more comfortable showing something that says they do not have to wear a face covering. This could be in the form of an exemption card, badge or even a home-made sign.
Carrying an exemption card or badge is a personal choice and is not required by law.

That policeman, and whatever his associate is, Neil Smith, need to be brought to task about this. I feel an email to the relevant authorities brewing…

298787 ▶▶▶ A Heretic, replying to Mr Dee, 7, #757 of 1162 🔗

we’re told ignorance of the law is no excuse so how do all the gestapo keep getting it so wrong? They have one fucking job, you’d think they’d educate themselves.

298789 ▶▶▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to A Heretic, 7, #758 of 1162 🔗

They always get it wrong. Nearly always. Mind you, doesn’t help when the govmint keeps on changing the “regulations” (that aren’t law anyway…)

298819 ▶▶▶▶▶ stevie, replying to Nick Rose, 4, #759 of 1162 🔗

The MPs don’t understand them but it does not stop them voting them into law.

298933 ▶▶▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Nick Rose, 3, #760 of 1162 🔗

The “face covering” regs haven’t changed since July!

298798 ▶▶▶▶ Fingerache Philip., replying to A Heretic, 4, #761 of 1162 🔗

Yeh,but you get a free uniform.

298788 ▶▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to Mr Dee, 2, #762 of 1162 🔗

Check your emails, somebody’s boobed… Guilty! 😳

298803 ▶▶▶▶ Norman, replying to Nick Rose, 7, #763 of 1162 🔗

The poor man should get a lawyer immediately. I sympathise with him as I use that store occasionally.

Also do Sainsbury’s invite the police to patrol their aisles or do the police take it upon themselves? A most unwelcome development either way.

Would the police kindly not visit Aldi, Waitrose or especially Lidl. I’ve never been hassled by their staff who presumably have been properly briefed on the Equality Act … unlike W. Mercia Police.

298812 ▶▶▶▶▶ Fingerache Philip., replying to Norman, 3, #764 of 1162 🔗

Mind you, Norman, If there’s “rumbling” in the “shires”, there’s hope for all of us.

299077 ▶▶▶ Jo Dominich -, replying to Mr Dee, 1, #765 of 1162 🔗

Seriously have the police not got better things to do? What are Sainsbury doing allowing them to do this? Interestingly the idiotic police officers and the idiotic council officer were not abke to explain things they were quoting such as S17. They obviously didn’t know what they were talking about. I hope the harassed customer did not give any personal details even at the police station. What a veritable shit show.

299109 ▶▶▶ Dan L, replying to Mr Dee, #766 of 1162 🔗

I’m trying to think what I would do faced with this situation. I think I would have given my details even though I’m sure he was correct and you do not need to do so. Then the officer could have had his “victory” and would not lose face in front of the others. I wonder what the follow up would have been anyway? Perhaps nothing after having the opportunity to recheck the guidance.

299147 ▶▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Dan L, #767 of 1162 🔗

He was right to stand his ground. It will have been an unlawful arrest, he’ll be able to seek reparation and the Mini Hitler should get his due comeuppance.

I watched a similar farce on a livestream of the Save Our Children protest in London today.
https://youtu.be/M3ieIyJoWLE?t=2328

4 police spent absolutely ages going round and round in circles with a woman who refused to accept a fixed penalty notice for having a megaphone. They finally confiscated it and said she might get it back at her court appearance. Goodness knows how many burglaries were carried out in the meantime.

Big contrast with the Manchester police!

299194 ▶▶▶▶▶ Dan L, replying to Cheezilla, 1, #768 of 1162 🔗

Makes sense. In both cases they were also doing other good citizens a favour by occupying the police and officials so they have less time to harass others. Takes some balls though. I’m a bit scared of the police and official sort of people and would probably fold still … at least the first time.

299197 ▶▶▶▶▶ Dan L, replying to Cheezilla, 1, #769 of 1162 🔗

I suppose it helps that the police look bloody ridiculous in their face masks. Why are they wearing them outside?

299204 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Dan L, replying to Dan L, #770 of 1162 🔗

I know mileage may vary, but for me the facemasks are absolute worst thing about this whole farce. It’s like a living nightmare to me seeing the things. It feels like reality has cracked.

299207 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Dan L, replying to Dan L, 1, #771 of 1162 🔗

I’d say to the policeman and everyone else in the store that it causes me severe distress to see you all in face masks.

299208 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Alethea, replying to Dan L, 1, #772 of 1162 🔗

For me too. I’m just hanging on till it’s over. I think everyone has lost their minds.

298796 ▶▶ Fingerache Philip., replying to Beowa, 6, #773 of 1162 🔗

Friendly neighbourhood policeman, eh?

298808 ▶▶ kh1485, replying to Beowa, 11, #774 of 1162 🔗

Presumably no crime in Hereford. How come when you need the police, they always cry “limited resources” but they have pulled out all the bloody stops for idiocy like this.

298815 ▶▶▶ Cecil B, replying to kh1485, 6, #775 of 1162 🔗

It’s called overtime. The money sent by central government isn’t being spent on supporting businesses.

It’s being spent on police and council overtime, covid marshals, etc

298811 ▶▶ arfurmo, replying to Beowa, 4, #776 of 1162 🔗

Can someone tweet this to Simon Dolan please?

298868 ▶▶▶ annie, replying to arfurmo, 3, #777 of 1162 🔗

Send it to Peter Hitchens.

298881 ▶▶▶▶ arfurmo, replying to annie, #778 of 1162 🔗

I don’t have twitter or I’d do it!

298891 ▶▶ Lydia, replying to Beowa, 2, #779 of 1162 🔗

Absolutely disgusting! Bunch of tossers.

298918 ▶▶ Steve Martindale, replying to Beowa, 6, #780 of 1162 🔗

I sometimes feel guilty when I see an incident like this, I do wear a lanyard and I am an old man with a demeanor somewhere between a demented Victor Meldrew & a psychopathic serial killer, most people including Transport Police on trains back away when they see me, smile politely and move on. They seem to home in on younger people not wearing a lanyard on the basis that they are just trying it on.
I know you do not need to wear a lanyard but I do have a score on the autism spectrum, a very low score, but some years ago I did get involved in in some legal issues and ended up with mental health problems and a suicide attempt. Consequently I am not confident I could cope with the police questioning this guy had to put up with and so I wear a lanyard and carry paperwork about why i am exempt, although I have never been asked to show it.
The fact that I go unmasked in this way seems to mean that the Police expect everyone to be like me and wear a lanyard and carry paperwork. It really is appalling that the Police have been pushed to implement these Public Health regulations as if they were some sort of Grievous bodily harm offence.

298929 ▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Steve Martindale, 5, #781 of 1162 🔗

I don’t think the police have been pushed into this.
The original PC was a jumped-up little tosser who didn’t know the law. The blonde was suitably embarrassed but obviously had to stand by her colleague. Pathetic!
Meanwhile, a real crime was being committed elsewhere.
The policeman claiming the unmuzzled guy was a biohazard while touching his own face nappy every 30 seconds was beyond hypocritical.

299171 ▶▶▶▶ Wolver, replying to Cheezilla, #782 of 1162 🔗

I noticed that, didn’t sanitise his hands once! Prob breached his mask training!

298947 ▶▶ Templeton, replying to Beowa, 2, #783 of 1162 🔗

That policemen KNEW the law, which is why he kept asking for details.
Tricky little cunt.

299108 ▶▶ Jonathan Palmer, replying to Beowa, #784 of 1162 🔗

I thought the punishment for non mask wearing was a fine,not arrest

299148 ▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Jonathan Palmer, #785 of 1162 🔗

FPN but they want your details, which you can refuse to give.
Besides, if you’re exempt – and we all are if we choose to be – there’s no offence so FPN is inappropriate.

299167 ▶▶ Wolver, replying to Beowa, #786 of 1162 🔗

Law or fiction on face masks and exemptions.

https://www.laworfiction.com/2020/09/face-covering-some-pretend-law/

Useful doc to have printed from same site.

https://www.laworfiction.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/07/Face-Covering-Exemption-Notice-with-Law-Explained-24-July-2020.pdf

The man was well within his rights not to disclose his disability. Police do have right to challenge as to why your not wearing a mask, but stating exemption should be enough, according to law or fiction.

298770 annie, 15, #787 of 1162 🔗

Weksh Tortoise Stalin’s sidekick Gething , quoted in The Scotsman article mentioned above:

He said the Welsh Government could theoretically break the agreement between Westminster and devolved administrations – but added it would cause a loss of trust.

He said: “There are huge issues here about trust in the government.

“If we were to upset those rules we would lose lots of trust from a large number of people who have stuck with us and we would also see I’m afraid a range of people prepared to ignore the rules.

“Even with the agreement in place we’re likely to see a number of people go beyond that anyway.”

What an admission! The Welsh people don’t trust Dungford’s putrid government and the government knows it. Rebellion is brewing at last … I hope.
Hell gapes wide for thee, Gething, I hope you like the view.

298772 John Stone, replying to John Stone, 3, #788 of 1162 🔗

Prime Minister Johnson at the UN General Assembly, September 26: selling us all out to Gates and Vaccine Industry :

https://www.gov.uk/government/speeches/prime-ministers-speech-to-un-general-assembly-26-september-2020

298906 ▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to John Stone, 1, #789 of 1162 🔗

Enter the transcript at your peril – and be armed with a large sick bucket!

298776 Flying Saucer, replying to Flying Saucer, 6, #790 of 1162 🔗
298843 ▶▶▶ Flying Saucer, replying to arfurmo, 3, #792 of 1162 🔗

Even if the lateral flow test is better, the not-fit-for-purpose PCR test caused the lockdowns, economic devastation and increased control of humanity. Shouldn’t a suitable test have been devised before these drastic measures were introduced?

298873 ▶▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Flying Saucer, 3, #793 of 1162 🔗

It was perfectly suitable if mockdown was the aim.

298876 ▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Flying Saucer, #794 of 1162 🔗

Incredibly, the Drosten test protocol, which he had already sent to WHO in Geneva on 17 January, was officially recommended by WHO as the worldwide test to determine presence of Wuhan coronavirus, even before the paper had been published .

298884 ▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Cheezilla, 7, #795 of 1162 🔗

And how about this?

Professor Dr. Christian Drosten faces today. He and the officials at Frankfurt’s Goethe University, where he claims to have received his medical doctorate in 2003, are being accused of degree fraud.
According to Dr. Markus Kühbacher, a specialist investigating scientific fraud such as dissertation plagiarism, Dr. Drosten’s doctor thesis, by law must be deposited on a certain date with academic authorities at his University, who then sign a legal form, Revisionsschein, verified with signature, stamp of the University and date, with thesis title and author, to be sent to the University archive. With it, three original copies of the thesis are filed.
Kühbacher charges that the Goethe University is guilty of cover-up by claiming, falsely, Drosten’s Revisionsschein, was on file. The University spokesman later was forced to admit it was not filed, at least not locatable by them. Moreover, of the three mandatory file copies of his doctor thesis, highly relevant given the global importance of Drosten’s coronavirus role, two copies have “disappeared,” and the remaining single copy is water-damaged. Kühbacher says Drosten will now likely face court charges for holding a fraudulent doctoral title .

This will help Fuellmich’s case too!

298902 ▶▶▶▶ Flying Saucer, replying to Cheezilla, 2, #796 of 1162 🔗

If mainstream media actually covered facts, this fake pandemic would be over now. The ignoring of the facts in this article prove this is a scam, purposefully introduced to reset society.

299014 ▶▶▶▶ Jo Dominich -, replying to Cheezilla, 1, #797 of 1162 🔗

My goodness this is shocking indeed. WTF? Another f*****g scientist who is a liar a fraud and a conman. Take a bow alongside Witless Unbalanced and Pantsdown.

299134 ▶▶▶▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to Jo Dominich -, 1, #798 of 1162 🔗

Off Guardian had this uncovered in April. The comments section of that website had it covered December 2019

299139 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 1, #799 of 1162 🔗

The OffG commenters are often ahead of the game.

298903 ▶▶▶ Flying Saucer, replying to Cheezilla, 1, #800 of 1162 🔗

Incredible, the corruption of WHO

298777 Jonathan Palmer, replying to Jonathan Palmer, 27, #801 of 1162 🔗

London’s West End is heaving today.
Cue the Covidiot headlines tomorrow.Irresponsible people have caused London to go into Tier 3.

298782 ▶▶ Fingerache Philip., replying to Jonathan Palmer, 3, #802 of 1162 🔗

Collaborators/Sceptics: Never the twain shall meet!!

298823 ▶▶ stevie, replying to Jonathan Palmer, 8, #803 of 1162 🔗

The press have been saying it will go into Tier Three for at over a week now. Of course people are going to rush to the shops before they are closed.

298831 ▶▶▶ Sam Vimes, replying to stevie, 5, #804 of 1162 🔗

It’s that deadly that we might have to do something , maybe in a week or so, after we’ve talked about it for a bit…

298898 ▶▶▶ Ovis, replying to stevie, #805 of 1162 🔗

Does it make you a conspiracy theorist to ask what – at this point – the press is getting out of it?

299037 ▶▶▶▶ Alethea, replying to Ovis, 4, #806 of 1162 🔗

A virtually erotic, weirdly prolonged gratification. Headlines-wise, a 9-month multiple orgasm.

299178 ▶▶▶▶▶ Ovis, replying to Alethea, 1, #807 of 1162 🔗

When you put it like that, Alethea…

298792 PoshPanic, replying to PoshPanic, 5, #808 of 1162 🔗

Prof Bunsen Honeydew of the Muppets Independent Sage, thinks we’re all in this together. I ain’t in it with you mate…

https://twitter.com/IndependentSage/status/1337454280652034050

298797 ▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to PoshPanic, 5, #809 of 1162 🔗

If after a shipwreck, we were starving and sharing a liferaft, I’d ensure he got the short straw.

298866 ▶▶▶ annie, replying to Nick Rose, #810 of 1162 🔗

Better if a shark got him.Though he’d probably poison the poor beast.

298809 ▶▶ Zak Thelotofem, replying to PoshPanic, 2, #811 of 1162 🔗

Exactly how utterly useless at your chosen ‘specialism’ do you have to be before you can prefix your name with Professor ?!

298849 ▶▶ CGL, replying to PoshPanic, 8, #812 of 1162 🔗

Oh my God – that comment by someone who is clearly from a teachers union stirring up the sh*t. Poor teachers putting themselves in the firing line (for FLU!! ffs) every day so they can do their f’ing job. Teachers unions ought to be disbanded – all they ever do is cause trouble, of no use to man or beast.

298863 ▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to CGL, 1, #813 of 1162 🔗

Could easily be defunded …..

299001 ▶▶▶ Jo Dominich -, replying to CGL, 3, #814 of 1162 🔗

I have for many years intensely disliked the teaching union(s) especially Nigel de Gruce. What the hell does he think shop workers key workers etc are putting themselves in the frontline for? They get paid far too much for what they do. They get at least an extra 15 inset days a year always around bank holidays and Christmas note on top of their considerable annual leave and all the do is complain. Bastards

298860 ▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to PoshPanic, #815 of 1162 🔗

THEY are all in this together.

298800 Banjones, replying to Banjones, 21, #816 of 1162 🔗

As soon as these PCR tests (at their present ”cycle” though I’m no expert) are discredited then it must be game over.

What I can’t understand is why a huge amount of effort hasn’t been put into developing a non-invasive and immediate-result test – after all this time.

We know that this PCR isn’t fit for the purpose of mass testing (though a brilliant tool for other things) so WHY hasn’t someone come up with something MORE fit for purpose?
(Perhaps they have done so – and they’ve been leant on….. or worse.) Is it because it would show that this is a fast vanishing virus (as we can see from the students’ tests) and we don’t actually NEED this very lucrative vaccine?

298820 ▶▶ Nessimmersion, replying to Banjones, 10, #817 of 1162 🔗

Lateral Flow tests as in Liverpool?
Look at commentary on testing of students, it’s why the them are back pedaling on lateral flow tests, if they mainly use them, they cannot manufacture an ongoing crisis.

298822 ▶▶ John P, replying to Banjones, 8, #818 of 1162 🔗

“As soon as these PCR tests (at their present ”cycle” though I’m no expert) are discredited then it must be game over.”

I think that was, what, August wasn’t it? PCR is good for the government – it keeps the numbers high.

And they are not going to openly admit to being stupid enough to be using a dud test are they!

“WHY hasn’t someone come up with something MORE fit for purpose?”

They have. (Or they think they have.) It’s called the Lateral Flow Test.

It provides fewer positives which is a good thing for sceptics. Still, politicians in Austria are reportedly doing their best to discredit it. For the time being I remain open minded about the test.

298901 ▶▶▶ john, replying to John P, 5, #819 of 1162 🔗

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9046305/Covid-lateral-flow-tests-pick-49-cent-infections.html

So now the DM is trying to discredit it as well… the problem with the LFT is that it “doesn’t detect enough cases!” Only in the mixed up fucked up world of logic we now have to endure would someone come up with this argument…if you are asymptomatic and have a negative test, this cannot be allowed, therefore we must find another way of proving you have the virus….

298827 ▶▶ Marvin42, replying to Banjones, 7, #820 of 1162 🔗

As I understand it, the PCR test was never meant to diagnose … it was supposed to be a confirmation after clinical, symptomatic diagnosis has been carried out. I’m the Spring when there was, clearly, a serious Covid issue, it was more or less used this way – not perfectly as I am sure many were still unnecessarily tested, but understandable at the time.

That it is now used for mass testing of healthy people at such a high cycle count and in such large numbers is not just an elephant in the room – more a herd of elephants in the airing cupboard.

Sadly for SAGE or the Govt (or any Govt, it seems) to acknowledge the elephants would mean a major rethink, courage and the end of many careers and acknowledgement of £billions wasted

Feel so fed up of it all today – will we ever emerge from this nightmare?

298839 ▶▶▶ RickH, replying to Marvin42, 5, #821 of 1162 🔗

As Kary Mullis himself said : PCR is simply a process for amplification of RNA. Nothing more.

He then went on to say that you can find anything with it, and it is accurate interpretation that is essential – the process simply does what the process does – which does not include providing a diagnosis of viral infection.

298859 ▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Marvin42, 4, #822 of 1162 🔗

Yes. But innto what exactly is partly up to us.

Resist: Defy: Do Not Comply

298855 ▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Banjones, 1, #823 of 1162 🔗

The PCR test is expensive ie very lucrative.
Kerrrrrrchingggg win, win.

298886 ▶▶▶ Rowan, replying to Cheezilla, 2, #824 of 1162 🔗

More tests, more tests.

298946 ▶▶ Julian, replying to Banjones, 4, #825 of 1162 🔗

What I can’t understand is why a huge amount of effort hasn’t been put into developing a non-invasive and immediate-result test – after all this time.”

Our government has never been interested in actually doing anything useful to “combat” the virus – it has all been for show, pure theatre, including the vaccine.

298804 Cecil B, replying to Cecil B, 36, #826 of 1162 🔗

A false narrative was created to lead us into something that didn’t exist

A false narrative will be created to lead us out of something that doesn’t exist

298806 ▶▶ Moomin, replying to Cecil B, 6, #827 of 1162 🔗

Indeed!

298836 ▶▶ Sam Vimes, replying to Cecil B, 5, #828 of 1162 🔗

Bang on.

298837 ▶▶ GiftWrappedKittyCat, replying to Cecil B, 14, #829 of 1162 🔗

Agree but I wish they’d bloody hurry up and end this nonsense.

298899 ▶▶▶ IanE, replying to GiftWrappedKittyCat, 6, #830 of 1162 🔗

Not till we all learn to love Big Brother, I suspect.

298897 ▶▶ IanE, replying to Cecil B, 10, #831 of 1162 🔗

‘Global Warming’ all over again – and for much the same reasons: to make the rich richer, the poor poorer and the powerful dominant! Don’t expect to be released in the near future.

298936 ▶▶▶ awildgoose, replying to IanE, 4, #832 of 1162 🔗

Yup.

Greta just wasn’t moving things along quickly enough.

299034 ▶▶ Alethea, replying to Cecil B, 1, #833 of 1162 🔗

Yes, at some point in the future this whole thing will look like a Borges story.

298826 Paul, replying to Paul, 13, #834 of 1162 🔗

I’ve seen a fire engine with all the crew inside muzzled,I don’t know what to say really.

298937 ▶▶ Steve, replying to Paul, #835 of 1162 🔗

They’re always muzzled in Preston.

298956 ▶▶ Two-Six, replying to Paul, 2, #836 of 1162 🔗

Pussies

298829 Cecil B, replying to Cecil B, 42, #837 of 1162 🔗

The asymptomatic myth arose out of the need to explain people who were not ill but tested positive

The most obvious explanation of people who are not ill is just that, they are not ill

Repeat, they are not ill. Why are they not ill?

They are not ill because they are not infected and yes you guessed it, they are not infected because they not ill

Still with me?

At the mo the OH has asymptomatic flu, she has no symptoms and she says she feels fine

I know better, she’s definatly got it

I always had her down as a flu denier

298833 ▶▶ godowneasy, replying to Cecil B, #838 of 1162 🔗

Doh – that’s such an out of date concept.

298835 ▶▶ Sam Vimes, replying to Cecil B, #839 of 1162 🔗

I’d like to know more about your wife’s flu… No hang on, err, oh ‘eck!

298853 ▶▶ watashi, replying to Cecil B, 3, #840 of 1162 🔗

she no doubt has meningitis, tuberculosis and a zillion other things too? all asymptomatic of course. as do all of us by that logic.

298894 ▶▶▶ IanE, replying to watashi, 3, #841 of 1162 🔗

Yep – I’m told that our MPs have brains, but they are clearly asymptomatic.

298955 ▶▶ Two-Six, replying to Cecil B, 3, #842 of 1162 🔗

“They are not ill because they are not infected and yes you guessed it, they are not infected because they not ill”
Yer but no but yer but no but, they might still have it.

299041 ▶▶ Alethea, replying to Cecil B, 5, #843 of 1162 🔗

Covid killed me several months ago, but it was an asymptomatic death. Nobody, including me, can tell that I have sadlidied.

298830 Jo, replying to Jo, 45, #844 of 1162 🔗

Anyone been to Manchester? My partner watching protest now.
You can stick your new world order up your arse…
(to the tune of Coming round the mountain)
We are the 99%, we are the 99%, we are the mighty, we are the 99%.
etc
Good to hear.

298851 ▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Jo, 34, #845 of 1162 🔗

There were thousands at the Manchester rally.
Police were publicly thanked for being handsoff.
Looked like a really good day.
They’re calling us to turn up every week till freedom is returned.

298864 ▶▶▶ annie, replying to Cheezilla, 14, #846 of 1162 🔗

Well done, Manchester.

298969 ▶▶ Clareq, replying to Jo, 4, #847 of 1162 🔗

Yes, I was there! Another fantastic day. Yes, the police were very hands off and friendly.

299136 ▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Clareq, #848 of 1162 🔗

Thanks for going and representing those of us who couldn’t.
Glad it was a good day – and the weather behaved itself too. It rained here most of the day!

298834 John P, replying to John P, 7, #849 of 1162 🔗

I was pleased to read that Bob Moran is in the competition for Political Cartoon of the Year. He’s been very very good throughout the past nine months.

I’m still not sure though if he had actually been excluded from the competition. The guy he accuses of excluding him says not. I think Bob may be playing the victim and I don’t like that.

Anyway, I would have been happy to vote for his excellent cartoons, but I wasn’t overly fond of his choices for the competition.

I preferred instead the one with Johnson on a platter trussed up like a roast pig with a fork in his backside by Dave Brown. Ready to be stuffed by sage. (Bob’s just too nice).

298907 ▶▶ Dorian_Hawkmoon, replying to John P, 12, #850 of 1162 🔗

My fave is the one with the middle class couple sunning themselves in nice back garden of house while kids and dogs run around, bemoaning the thoughtless plebs from the tower blocks sunning themselves in the park. Encapsulates a lot of what is badly wrong here.

298943 ▶▶ Julian, replying to John P, 1, #851 of 1162 🔗

Vote here: https://www.ellwoodatfield.com/vote-for-political-cartoon-of-the-year/

I think he was not invited to participate – how deliberate that was is hard to know

298989 ▶▶▶ John P, replying to Julian, #852 of 1162 🔗

So he claims.

298950 ▶▶ OKUK, replying to John P, 2, #853 of 1162 🔗

FFS John, he’s one of the country’s leading cartoonists, so why wasn’t he in there with all the others as he had been in previous years? Don’t be naive. Next you’ll be telling me Great Thunberg is a climate scientist.

298992 ▶▶▶ John P, replying to OKUK, #854 of 1162 🔗

No, I’m just questioning whether he is being totally honest about being excluded.

As I said, the man he accuses denies that Bob was excluded.

Who’s telling the truth? I don’t know!

(What has it got to do with Greta Thunberg BTW?)

298841 Cecil B, replying to Cecil B, 15, #855 of 1162 🔗

How many tests for influenza have been carried out since March?

See where I’m going with this

298844 ▶▶ John P, replying to Cecil B, 4, #856 of 1162 🔗

I didn’t know there was a test for influenza. I thought that a formal flu diagnosis was always made by doctors and was based on symptoms.

298847 ▶▶▶ Cecil B, replying to John P, 6, #857 of 1162 🔗

Here is the link

https://www.cdc.gov/flu/symptoms/testing.htm

So how many flu tests were carried out in the UK last year and how many this year?

You thinking what I’m thinking?

298988 ▶▶▶▶ John P, replying to Cecil B, #858 of 1162 🔗

Thank you, but twazajoke in the main. I didn’t know or care.

298846 ▶▶ RickH, replying to Cecil B, 6, #859 of 1162 🔗

Where’s your religion, faithless brother?

Seek, and Ye shall Find!!!

… just do the seeking (sign here for the PCR kit)

298934 ▶▶ awildgoose, replying to Cecil B, 2, #860 of 1162 🔗

In the US, a Cv19 PCR test runs about $100.

Now think about the total number of tests that have been run in the US and around the world.

Do you see where I’m going?

298845 StevieH, replying to StevieH, 8, #861 of 1162 🔗

Was on the beach this afternoon. Two masked-up parents sitting on a wall watching their two kids (7/8?) playing on the sand and in the waves.

298850 ▶▶ watashi, replying to StevieH, 21, #862 of 1162 🔗

I was at the greengrocers , watching a brainwashed family (parents and 2 kids-9 and 7? all masked) choosing a xmas tree. Seeing people masked makes me feel like crying but kids with masks-parent condoned child abuse-is just sickening.

298875 ▶▶▶ DRW, replying to watashi, 3, #863 of 1162 🔗

I’ve seen some round here with visors that look like pram covers. I really feel for these kids.

298880 ▶▶▶ Banjones, replying to watashi, 5, #864 of 1162 🔗

It really should be against the law to make children under 16 wear muzzles. And also under that age to go through these invasive ‘tests’ – unless under proper medical supervision and advice.

298927 ▶▶▶ CGL, replying to watashi, 3, #865 of 1162 🔗

Saw one that must have been about 5 or 6 today. Child abuse

298954 ▶▶▶▶ A. Contrarian, replying to CGL, 3, #866 of 1162 🔗

I saw one in a pram once. Probably less than 2 years old. And a petrified OCD-suffering friend makes her 2 yo wear one even outdoors… She’s a paediatric ICU nurse!

299113 ▶▶▶▶▶ CGL, replying to A. Contrarian, 1, #867 of 1162 🔗

I generally feel a bit sorry for people who already had OCD tendencies before this sorry affair. This is the worst of all possible situations for them. This woman should clearly seek help if she is making her child as bad as she is. She surely doesn’t want that for the child does she?

298865 ▶▶ Steeve, replying to StevieH, 2, #868 of 1162 🔗

Thumbs up though for making the effort to go to the beach!

298870 ▶▶ SionnachAirgid, replying to StevieH, 5, #869 of 1162 🔗

I also saw maskers at the beach today, God it’s depressing

298893 ▶▶▶ annie, replying to SionnachAirgid, 2, #870 of 1162 🔗

Their problem, the stupid numpties. Not ours.

298925 ▶▶▶▶ CGL, replying to annie, 2, #871 of 1162 🔗

You are right of course – just wish we didn’t have to see them

298981 ▶▶▶▶▶ John P, replying to CGL, 4, #872 of 1162 🔗

Wear eye patches.

299005 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Two-Six, replying to John P, 4, #873 of 1162 🔗

I actually shut my eyes when an Ambulance drove towards me the other day so I didn’t see the face nappies. I was on my bike too, doing a good clip. Not such a great idea I thought after the event.

299060 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ CGL, replying to Two-Six, 1, #874 of 1162 🔗

Not really no – if you’d fallen off they might have had to turn around and treat you – you don’t want that do you!!

299000 ▶▶▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to CGL, 4, #875 of 1162 🔗

I just ignore the non-humans and instead focus on the open faces and the nature around me – or on my shopping if I’m in the supermarket.

What you focus on grows in your awareness. So if you make a big deal of resisting the mask-wearing of others, they’ll become much more obvious to you.

This is about choice. You have the choice where to put your attention.

Fortunately we do still have a choice whether to wear a face nappy. It’s sad when others choose to wear one but we don’t have to make it our problem.

299045 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ watashi, replying to Cheezilla, 2, #876 of 1162 🔗

I’ll try that Cheezilla, you’ve made me think. I shall try harder to turn my focus away from the muzzles. Thank you!

299095 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Sodastream, replying to watashi, 1, #877 of 1162 🔗

Same here, I needed that cheezilla as I find myself getting so incredulous/frustrated at the masks everywhere particularly at the school gates. I waste to much emotion on it! I will take the advice

298879 ▶▶ Banjones, replying to StevieH, 5, #878 of 1162 🔗

Why the hell do they think they should wear muzzles in the good fresh air?

298905 ▶▶▶ William Hand, replying to Banjones, 9, #879 of 1162 🔗

Because they are scared and thick.

298913 ▶▶▶▶ Edward, replying to William Hand, 2, #880 of 1162 🔗

Partly I think it’s the fallacy that if something is good, then more of it is better. They’ve taken on board the message (which we on this site question) that masks give protection against coronavirus, so they think that wearing them nearly everywhere must be better.
Chocolate is good, but above a certain level it isn’t.

298985 ▶▶▶▶▶ John P, replying to Edward, 3, #881 of 1162 🔗

“Chocolate is good, but above a certain level it isn’t.”

I disagree.

299252 ▶▶▶▶▶ Borisbullshit, replying to Edward, #882 of 1162 🔗

Do they wear them in bed then and in the shower?

298979 ▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to StevieH, #883 of 1162 🔗

Beyond hope!

298854 swedenborg, replying to swedenborg, 23, #884 of 1162 🔗

https://twitter.com/aginnt/status/1337815802888720390

Now even in Washington Post Opinion .
“We don’t have a single documented case of COVID transmission from surfaces. Not one.”
 Tell that to a population becoming hypochondriacs after 9 month propaganda to the contrary

298861 ▶▶ annie, replying to swedenborg, 3, #885 of 1162 🔗

One hour of masked muppets in church, deep clean, church locked for a week.

298912 ▶▶▶ leggy, replying to annie, 4, #886 of 1162 🔗

Why deep clean if it’s locked for a week? 🤔

298971 ▶▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to leggy, 1, #887 of 1162 🔗

They need to keep all the voc’s from the toxic cleaning products circulating till the next meeting.

298977 ▶▶▶▶▶ John P, replying to Cheezilla, #888 of 1162 🔗

“service” not “meeting”, cheezy.

299098 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to John P, 1, #889 of 1162 🔗

A church “service” involves congregating and sacred ritual, including the singing of praises.

I think “meeting ” is appropriate for now.

299253 ▶▶▶ Borisbullshit, replying to annie, #890 of 1162 🔗

God help us!

298911 ▶▶ Old Normal, replying to swedenborg, 12, #891 of 1162 🔗

There was a small town in Germany at the start where they swabbed lots of public places and found nothing as far as I remember and also the London Underground I believe.

It would also explain why the majority of supermarket workers, posties and delivery drivers have been working the whole time since March.

298915 ▶▶▶ calchas, replying to Old Normal, 8, #892 of 1162 🔗

Prof. Hendrick Streeck in Gangelt.

In April he had already pegged the IFR at 0.37% max , probably much lower.

Early on he was invited on talk shows and got a bit of a reputaion for being a mild dissident from the orthodoxy.

He was actually permitted to appear on mainstream TV.

He knows the truth.

299144 ▶▶▶▶ DJ Dod, replying to calchas, #893 of 1162 🔗
298972 ▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Old Normal, #894 of 1162 🔗

They must have tested those swabs in a very different way from the ongoing human PCR testing!

298931 ▶▶ awildgoose, replying to swedenborg, 6, #895 of 1162 🔗

From the very same people who were gaslighting us that, “It can live forever on any surface!” in March and that, “It’s totally impervious to sunlight!” back in June.

Thanks, guys.

298953 ▶▶ A. Contrarian, replying to swedenborg, 2, #896 of 1162 🔗

I’m not sure how you could prove whether or not an infected person inhaled the virus or ingested it? Especially out in the real world.

Personally, as it’s a respiratory virus I think the main mode of transmission must be coughs and sneezes, but if it’s like the other common cold coronas then surface transmission will at least play some part. Depends on how long the virus remains viable outside the body.

299104 ▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to A. Contrarian, 1, #897 of 1162 🔗

I don’t think the mode of transmission is important. We are surrounded and invaded by pathogens all the time and most people don’t succumb to them, only one or two do.

A healthy immune system is all that matters but there’s little profit or research funding for that.

298856 Noumenon, replying to Noumenon, 4, #898 of 1162 🔗

New term: “rona hawk”

So we have “war hawks” like Bush, Clinton, Cheney, Blair et al. who look incessantly for any excuse to start a war. They call all opposition “terrorist sympathisers”.

Rona hawks are people who do everything from peer menacingly at rule breakers to look for excuses to lock a place down. They report their neighbours if they are juvenile rona hawks and they write newspaper columns telling people they are granny killers if they are mature rona hawks. Looking for lockdown excuses is their most characteristic and natural behaviour.

298883 ▶▶ Be Unshakeable, replying to Noumenon, 2, #899 of 1162 🔗

I like it.

If I may proffer a suggestion for the public Kool Aid quaffer at large: Ronatard.

Rona Hawks and their army of Ronatards.

298983 ▶▶▶ Noumenon, replying to Be Unshakeable, 1, #900 of 1162 🔗

Haha, yes, “rona hawk” does carry an air of status.

298919 ▶▶ stevie, replying to Noumenon, #901 of 1162 🔗

But the press use the words in an opposite way. Doves are pro lockdown and hawks are anti lockdown. I don’t understand why they started using those terms.

298926 ▶▶▶ Charlie Blue, replying to stevie, 1, #902 of 1162 🔗

I believe it was the lives versus economy false dichotomy.

298968 ▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to stevie, #903 of 1162 🔗

Doublethink?
Never made sense to me.

298974 ▶▶▶ Noumenon, replying to stevie, #904 of 1162 🔗

Is that actually a thing?

298857 RickH, replying to RickH, 22, #905 of 1162 🔗

Do you remember the good old days when idiots were in charge and used to get wound up about kids being off school for a couple of days – or going on holiday for a week?

It was so..o..o..o serious that fines were necessary – especially if you had no money.

Ah!! – the good old days of sensible disproportion and old-fashioned religious zeal!

… not like modern times and nouveau viruses, which teach us about being SAFE rather than carelessly indulging in life.

Scottie!!! 

298882 ▶▶ Sam Vimes, replying to RickH, 5, #906 of 1162 🔗

Sorry, Rick, beaming up is suspended at the moment. Dispersing your component atoms into the ether could spread the virus.

298967 ▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Sam Vimes, 2, #907 of 1162 🔗

Besides, going up puts you into tier 3.

299079 ▶▶▶▶ Sam Vimes, replying to Cheezilla, #908 of 1162 🔗

That’s funny. And humour is nearly all we have left. Thanks, man.

299096 ▶▶▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Sam Vimes, #909 of 1162 🔗

You’re very welcome. Happy to tickle you.

298874 swedenborg, replying to swedenborg, 7, #910 of 1162 🔗

Official data from track and trace US. https://twitter.com/julie_kelly2/status/1337805338951757825 “Actual data. Every “mitigation” strategy in the form of government decree contradicts science—shutting down venues that don’t spread the virus and forcing everyone inside at home, which is by far the biggest vector. What a farce

298892 ▶▶ Awkward Git, replying to swedenborg, 1, #911 of 1162 🔗

Exactly as it says in the 2019 UN document.

298900 ▶▶ mhcp, replying to swedenborg, 5, #912 of 1162 🔗

And the household spread is often just you giving it to yourself. So basically look after your immune system and reduce your stress levels.

298917 ▶▶▶ CGL, replying to mhcp, 9, #913 of 1162 🔗

How can a lockdown sceptic reduce their stress levels currently – I am literally in fight or flight and a state of extreme anger permanently

298921 ▶▶▶▶ Sarigan, replying to CGL, 4, #914 of 1162 🔗

Give me a call anytime CGL. I will email my number if you don’t have it for previous correspondence. I have many copying strategies.

299067 ▶▶▶▶▶ CGL, replying to Sarigan, #915 of 1162 🔗

Thanks Sarigan

298930 ▶▶▶▶ Charlie Blue, replying to CGL, 2, #916 of 1162 🔗

Switching off from it all is the only way for me, CGL. Takes a lot of determination and some days I am more successful than others.

299066 ▶▶▶▶▶ CGL, replying to Charlie Blue, #917 of 1162 🔗

Definitely need to do that – will-power is required!

298996 ▶▶▶▶ Stuart, replying to CGL, 3, #918 of 1162 🔗

Covid Rejectionists question everything, disbelieve everything and repudiate everything. Anger is not required, but cold fury helps.

299114 ▶▶▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to CGL, #919 of 1162 🔗

I run.

It doesn’t have to be a big exestential dive into your problems. This is real and your anger is justified.

But burn it off.

Then come back and fight again. We need you.

The worst evil lurks in all of us but you can’t let them corrupt you. You know that if you drop your guard one bit, they’ll try.

Keep strong and watch this. It will set you right in 30 seconds.

https://mobile.twitter.com/pdubdev/status/1337771091821883392

Are there any gyms near by you that are fighting this battle? Join it. Tell them why you are joining. Burn away the fear.

299255 ▶▶▶▶ gina, replying to CGL, #920 of 1162 🔗

My adult daughter is suffering as you are right now. I’ve been through this – nearly lost my mind – seriously. Out the other side now – mostly.
You are not alone.

I realised just before my return from a couple of weeks in Sweden (collecting my sanity) that there are similarities between my experience of home (raised by drunks) and our collective circumstances now.
Below are a few habits of mind that came to me then. They seem to be working for now.
I hope there might be a scrap of something useful here for you.

Immediately – for acute stress and anxiety – breathe – slow and steady, Body scan – drop your shoulders, soften your hips, your knee joints, your ankles. Connect the soles of your feet to the ground beneath you. Imagine that connection. Allow your spine to lengthen and your head to rest lightly poised. Open your eyes.

Detachment is all.
There is no point in researching any further on the scientific data or going over what has happened if its an attempt to make sense of what is happening.
We know now all that we need to know.
What is said and done in the public realm is largely crazy nonsense. Engaging with the madness of others will make a person crazy.
Science and Medicine together with Democracy and the Rule of Law left these Isles in March.
We have entered a new dark age – ruled as far as I can see by greed, cruelty and superstition. Have no truck with it!

I’m confident – in my understanding of the relevent science and medical practice and our constitution. I’ll share it if others express an interest but I’m not interested in convincing anyone that I’m right. Other people’s stuff is their responsibility. Not my shit, as they say. Be afraid, be uninformed, do whatever…
My mantra is, ‘I’ve done my homework. I am not afraid.’

I don’t argue with superstition.
Face masks, social distancing, trolley disinfecting, sanitisers and all that malarky are superstitious rituals enacted to propitiate the gods as our priests have instructed. But it was ever thus!
I don’t chose to practice them – I have others of my own.
But I don’t take offence at others doing so. I find masks distasteful – but that’s my shit to deal with.

I stay away from catastrophising.
Statements that this will happen or that will happen and its going to be awful. Its an understandable practice – an attempt to feel some degree of control and safety when many of us feel we have lost our autonomy. Its a really common maladaption when living under the power of drug addled or crazy people.
But it keeps our attention focused on the perpetrators and the problem. It generates anxiety and dread to no good end. It is a waste of energy and imagination. I notice a lot of this predicting on here. But none of us has a crystal ball.
Find the story of the farmer and the white horse…

I take breaks from keeping abreast of it all. I have conversations where it is not a topic of discussion.

I practice conduct befitting a human being
physical proximity, affection, kisses and embraces, laughter, singing…They are the stuff of life to me….I look for the stuff that lights me up.

I act on my need for control
Others have their superstitions, I have mine…
I’m a pagan, a witch. Since I returned from Sweden I’ve been working a monthly ritual for the dethroning and punishment of the guilty – so to speak- and for restitution for the people and the land. I’ve been joined by others who feel such a need.
It doesn’t matter if it sounds bonkers. It gives me strength and hope and channels my hostility and grief for what we have lost and connects me to the timeless and the divine. It expands me – and who knows…
Making ritual is a human universal – every culture, through all time. Anyone can make a ritual. Always three parts – the setting up – the work/the change you want – and the taking down. Simple or as fancy as you like, thats it!

299257 ▶▶▶▶▶ gina, replying to gina, #921 of 1162 🔗

One final thought thats fired me in a positive way

What is my purpose here, now?
It feels like there’s a lot at stake here – the future of my grown children, my grandchildren, all the others less fortunate that I, younger, weaker than I, and then there’s what I owe to my forebears, who returned to this country to fight for the freedoms now in abeyance.
This is a time to live up to. Have I got what it takes? I would not have wished for this time to come but it does offer possibilities for good as well as ill. ‘There’s a crack in eveything. That’s how the light gets in.’

298909 ▶▶ DRW, replying to swedenborg, 2, #922 of 1162 🔗

Back in May New York state reported that the majority of outside hospitalisations were from private households. It was quite big on Reddit back then, of course the zealots were all “they can’t have been following the rules”

298878 swedenborg, replying to swedenborg, 9, #923 of 1162 🔗

https://www.mrctv.org/blog/dewiness-ohio-covid-rule-high-school-wrestlers-can-wrestle-cant-shake-hands#.X9UAdVZY2qw.twitter “Among the new rules is student-athletes are permitted to wrestle, but must refrain from handshakes before and after the match.

298887 ▶▶ Steeve, replying to swedenborg, 1, #924 of 1162 🔗

I take it the good old arm wrestle is banned!

298942 ▶▶ Julian, replying to swedenborg, 1, #925 of 1162 🔗

I was watching a video on YouTube of a French MMA fighter hanging around what looked like Paris, offering passers-by 50 Euros if they could wrestle him to the ground. It was all in good spirits and OK if you like that kind of thing, but what really tickled me was that he was wearing a mask, sometimes properly, mainly not, sometimes not at all, and the same went for the people who were fighting him – they would put them on, they would fall off, or they would move them to speak or breathe. So here they are getting up close and personal with strangers for utterly frivolous motives, obviously not afraid of the virus at all, and they are fiddling with masks, God knows why (it was pretty quiet and there were no cops – maybe they were afraid of what people would say when they saw the video). Utter madness.

298948 ▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Julian, #926 of 1162 🔗

Presumably Parisian cops aren’t very pleasant if they catch you going barefaced.
I don’t recall them being noted for their niceness pre-mockdown.

298885 Banjones, replying to Banjones, 17, #927 of 1162 🔗

I’ve just been watching the F1 (as my other half is in thrall….) and when the adverts came on I heard that they were saying the virus could be spread by people without symptoms. This is outrageous, and just shows that these channels are controlled and coerced by those with money who want to control us.

298889 ▶▶ Awkward Git, replying to Banjones, 17, #928 of 1162 🔗

Was thinking is a mass campaign of complaint to the ASA that the claim of asymptomatic transmission has no backing ins science?

Couple of thousand complaints ready to go?

298959 ▶▶▶ Jo Dominich -, replying to Awkward Git, 3, #929 of 1162 🔗

I’m in!

298890 ▶▶ Be Unshakeable, replying to Banjones, 7, #930 of 1162 🔗

They’ve always been liars. It’s just a bit more obvious now.

298910 leggy, replying to leggy, 47, #931 of 1162 🔗

Well, I’ve just been to a tier 2 pub with an old mate as well as my now 18 year old daughter for a few beers. No t&t and seems a plate of chips constitutes a substantial meal. Many tables with large groups of blokes watching the Manchester derby. Looks like the wheels are coming off the Covid restriction bandwagon to me.

298916 ▶▶ Gill, replying to leggy, 33, #932 of 1162 🔗

I met up with friends today (also Tier 2). There were 5 of us from 4 different households in the café of a well known department store. Next week there may well be 7 of us from 5 households!

298945 ▶▶▶ Margaret, replying to Gill, 15, #933 of 1162 🔗

I confess! Yesterday, we sneaked across the border into tier 2 (100 yards or there abouts) and had a lovely pub lunch. Actually that’s not quite true, we’d been to our nearest John Lewis (tier 3) and had to drive through a tier 2 area to get there, so we stopped to have lunch at the pub just before we crossed back into our tier 3 area.

We had pre-booked so no-one asked us about track and trace or asked us where we lived, I think they were just glad of our forty quid. Interestingly, they were serving coffees without food in their marquee.

Our visit was on a “day-release”basis, you understand, to prepare us for the great day when we will finally be allowed our freedom, so we needed to acclimatise ourselves. It made us feel quite light-headed.

298952 ▶▶▶▶ Banjones, replying to Margaret, 14, #934 of 1162 🔗

Terrible, isn’t it? that we have to feel guilty about moving around our own country, doing things law-abiding people should do all the time.
What have they brought us to? And so quickly.

298965 ▶▶▶▶▶ annie, replying to Banjones, 6, #935 of 1162 🔗

At least you have the chance to feel guilty.Welsh pubs – all run by flabby yes-men – have to shut at 6 pm and cannot serve alcohol at any time. Not much chance for illicit revelry here. .Ensures all the Covidupes stay at home sucking up lies about spiralling ‘infections’.

298970 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ John P, replying to annie, #936 of 1162 🔗

“all”? Must be some men in Wales, surely.

298991 ▶▶▶▶ Stuart, replying to Margaret, #937 of 1162 🔗

Corona Cops asleep again.

298940 ▶▶ DRW, replying to leggy, 5, #938 of 1162 🔗

Indeed, the fear spell is definitely wearing off.

298960 ▶▶▶ Banjones, replying to DRW, 4, #939 of 1162 🔗

Do you think so, DRW? You, as one of our precious young, are at the cutting edge. Is this message getting through?
We want students to get back to what we all remember as normal, as they deserve. What do YOU think?

298997 ▶▶▶▶ DRW, replying to Banjones, 5, #940 of 1162 🔗

I’m going on the much lower compliance generally. Not sure what most students are thinking, I know from others the bad joke that is Zoom University is unpopular and attendance and performance, mine included is going through the floor. Reports of a dead campus suggests that the typical covidian church treatment hasn’t going down well either.

299094 ▶▶▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to DRW, 4, #941 of 1162 🔗

If students are in a position to withold fees and rent, they will have a hugely powerful influence.

298962 ▶▶ annie, replying to leggy, 3, #942 of 1162 🔗

I most certainly hope so.

299127 ▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to leggy, #943 of 1162 🔗

Only where pubs are actually open!
I’d have to drive a fair way to get into tier 2.

298928 PatrickF, replying to PatrickF, 10, #944 of 1162 🔗

I looked in vain, for the green ectoplasmic slime that emerges from your orifices when you have the virus, according to the NHS adverts. Nobody in London’s West End has it. Is it a northern thing?

298987 ▶▶ Stuart, replying to PatrickF, 3, #945 of 1162 🔗

No, the “northern thing” is gobshite.

299027 ▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to PatrickF, 2, #946 of 1162 🔗

Come up and we’ll show you ……

299063 ▶▶ ianric, replying to PatrickF, #947 of 1162 🔗

If we are in a genuine pandemic and there was clear evidence of a dangerous and contagious virus why would the government need adverts to remind us if we could see the danger with our own eyes.

298935 Julian, replying to Julian, #948 of 1162 🔗

https://www.gofundme.com/f/84d6p-for-balance?utm_source=customer&utm_medium=copy_link&utm_campaign=p_cf+share-flow-1

Recovery looking for more funds to run more campaigns. Sorry the screen shot is so small.

299008 ▶▶ Julian, replying to Julian, 1, #949 of 1162 🔗

Are Recovery floating anyone’s boat here on LS?

Do they deserve our money?

They don’t seem very well funded – the current campaign is at £40,000

Where are the millionaire donors?

They have been wishy washy but IMO better than nothing

299031 ▶▶▶ OKUK, replying to Julian, 5, #950 of 1162 🔗

Fair summary. I prefer Laurence Fox’s refusal to abide by the rules. His Reclaim Party might be worthy of support.

299055 ▶▶▶▶ Jo Dominich -, replying to OKUK, 2, #951 of 1162 🔗

I’d definitely be part of Reclaim when Lawrence Fox can get it off the ground with great publicity. I’d help for free.

299099 ▶▶▶▶▶ OKUK, replying to Jo Dominich -, 2, #952 of 1162 🔗

It was said he’d already received donations of £5 million (large donors mostly). Pretty impressive. The PC-Globalist-Left through their tame media and agencies they control like Ofcom and the Electoral Commission will clearly try and destroy him personally and make every effort to strangle the party at birth.

299090 ▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Julian, #953 of 1162 🔗

They’re the ones who want us to light a candle at 6pm on Thursdays.

At 6pm most people are on their way home from work or having their tea with their kids!

Besides, ithout a national campaign first to explain what the lights mean, it would be pointless.

They seem to be completely divorced from nitty gritty reality – like those already in power but more pink and fluffy.

299105 ▶▶▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to Cheezilla, #954 of 1162 🔗

Couldn’t have put it better.

It seems very fluffy.

We are angry. Take it to the streets.

299132 ▶▶▶▶▶ Julian, replying to BeBopRockSteady, #955 of 1162 🔗

Not sure about the streets but agree they don’t seem to have the necessary fire in their bellies

299166 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to Julian, 2, #956 of 1162 🔗

When I say streets I mean join a protests. No politicians apart for the UKiP London Councillor, his name escapes me, has joined dthe London protests.

Remember Farage and his Brexit protest speeches? It made him. That opportunity exists right now for any of those Recovery MPs. Why did they ever get into poltics if it wasn’t to stand up and take that opportunity? To make the speech for freedom that they surely have thought about?

It would be Instant hero status

298944 Smelly Melly, replying to Smelly Melly, 4, #957 of 1162 🔗

Not that it concerns me now, but can you still get fined for taking your child out of school to go on holiday?

299022 ▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Smelly Melly, 1, #958 of 1162 🔗

I can hear Richard Wilson crying I don’t believe it!

299029 ▶▶ OKUK, replying to Smelly Melly, 3, #959 of 1162 🔗

The government took them out of school and gave them a four month holiday, so I don’t think it’s a problem.

298949 T. Prince, replying to T. Prince, 25, #960 of 1162 🔗

Boris Johnson “ climate change is a challenge far worse than coronavirus”. And we think we’re fucked now!! In the words of the Carpenters “ It’s only just begun

298961 ▶▶ annie, replying to T. Prince, 5, #961 of 1162 🔗

Face nappies will soon see off climate change. No supporting evidence required for that statement.
Or Bozo could shut his gob and spare us so much hot air.

298982 ▶▶▶ Stuart, replying to annie, 4, #962 of 1162 🔗

Maskists inhale their own CO2 and do their bit for climate change.

298993 ▶▶▶▶ Voz 0db, replying to Stuart, 7, #963 of 1162 🔗

That’s why the others – not wearing the muzzle – are PERSECUTED!

comment image

It’s funny that most fellow slaves don’t get this lovely image!

299107 ▶▶▶▶ OKUK, replying to Stuart, #964 of 1162 🔗

If they die early as a result that should save a lot of carbon emissions.

298990 ▶▶ Voz 0db, replying to T. Prince, 1, #965 of 1162 🔗

YEP, fellow slaves… If you “think” OPERATION COVIDIUS was fun, the next 10 YEARS will be AWESOME FUN!

Red highlighted area…
comment image

BomuttJo wants even more around 60%.

But guess what will these jesters do to the ‘Elite’?

299009 ▶▶ OKUK, replying to T. Prince, 6, #966 of 1162 🔗

That’s like saying an ant us bigger than a flea.

Over the years I’ve looked into lots of the climate change claims and found them all to be extremely dodgy.

Take the issue of food…if the Earth is warming up it gets warmer and wetter. We are able to grow more, not less food.

There is no persuasive evidence that sea levels are rising. You might think satellites can easily measure sea level. All sorts of complicated algorithms have to be applied to the raw data – so the results are completely malleable. All land is either rising or falling. In the UK, thanks to the after effects of the ice age, Scotland is rising and southern England falling. So vast swathes of land are, over time being plunged into ocean, which can easily be confused with rising sea level. It was claimed Miami was experiencing increased flooding due to climate change. Rubbish – the city is built on porous limestone and because of the huge increase in number of buildings particularly high rise, that porous limestone is effectively being pushed down below sea level creating increased flooding at some times of the year. Disappearing Bangladeshi islands was more BS. Islands are always appearing and disappearing in the mouth of the Ganges and the locals are well used. The Maldives are supposed to be disappearing beneath the waves but rather than abandon their homes, the people of the Maldives are building four new international airports.

As for carbon emissions, they will soon be a thing of the past. Everywhere green energy (particularly solar and wind) has been and will coninue to fall in price dramatically. Yes, the problem of storage remains to resolved but there are numerous technologies being explored. Green energy is already winning tenders on unsubsidised price against other energy technologies. Once the price droos even further increasing amounts can be devoted to storage, making the technology even more competitive.

299019 ▶▶▶ DRW, replying to OKUK, 3, #967 of 1162 🔗

It is extremely dodgy, especially given the pushers’ hypocrisy and blind eyes to China’s far greater emissions.

299013 ▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to T. Prince, 2, #968 of 1162 🔗

Did you see/hear his speech? Vomit-inducing. Worse than you could ever imagine.

298951 kf99, replying to kf99, 4, #969 of 1162 🔗

“warm applause, as you would expect…” BBC local radio describing the knee taking today – first time with fans back. Hopefully a full stadium would be a bit ‘braver’ than the socially distanced virtue signallers

298978 ▶▶ Tenchy, replying to kf99, 5, #970 of 1162 🔗

Problem is, there have been veiled threats from the twats who run football, that anyone booing at this disgusting behaviour may be identified and then banned for life. It needs a full stadium, and then an online co-ordination to ensure large numbers make their displeasure known.

299012 ▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Tenchy, 2, #971 of 1162 🔗

Full stadium under mockdown is a pipedream.
Those who attend are collaborators.
Another good reason to boycott.

299015 ▶▶▶▶ Julian, replying to Cheezilla, 5, #972 of 1162 🔗

I can’t see us ever seeing full stadia again, not for decades anyway

Professional sport is a vile circus in many ways, and is now even more so with the masks and all the other coronabollocks

299035 ▶▶▶ OKUK, replying to Tenchy, 4, #973 of 1162 🔗

Hissing is the perfect crowd reaction in such circumstances. Or laughing out loud. Is that now a criminal offence? Probably.

299074 ▶▶▶▶ Jonathan Palmer, replying to OKUK, 2, #974 of 1162 🔗

Turning your back would be a form of protest.Can anyone explain why they are still kneeling?

299078 ▶▶▶▶▶ Tenchy, replying to Jonathan Palmer, 1, #975 of 1162 🔗

Because they are fucking louts, with chips on their shoulders.

299254 ▶▶▶▶▶ Borisbullshit, replying to Jonathan Palmer, #976 of 1162 🔗

They are oppressed millionaires.

299011 ▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to kf99, 1, #977 of 1162 🔗

The rule should be You take the knee: We boycott.
Feeble!

298957 Jonny G, replying to Jonny G, 9, #978 of 1162 🔗

Long time reader/listener first time poster.
In my cynical mind I’m growing increasing frustrated by the government chasing cases. At this time of year it seems obvious to me that if you offer people a chance to have some time off they’ll take it. If I was that way minded I’d go for a PCR test each day ( can you do that?) and at some point test positive. Then I could have ten days off work- all over Christmas- citing the reason that I had tested positive. But wasn’t actually sick. Bonkers.
Me personally I would refuse to have a test done unless I was getting wheeled into hospital!

299102 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to Jonny G, 2, #979 of 1162 🔗

The real problem now is resistance will emerge. But it will be because businesses are closing or poverty is off the scale.

It won’t be because of the truth. That this was never about a virus. When the truth emerges we will already be so lost in our own meanderings that it won’t matter. I see war on the horizon.

299123 ▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 1, #980 of 1162 🔗

It occurred to me there were no older people in Mad Max.

299007 ▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Ben, 2, #982 of 1162 🔗

Irony I presume.
They’ve certainly done a good job (she wrote, ironically!)

298963 Julian, replying to Julian, 5, #983 of 1162 🔗

Sweden Proposes New Covid Law to Let It Shut Down Businesses
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2020-12-09/sweden-proposes-new-covid-law-to-let-it-shut-down-businesses

Won’t become law until March, if enacted, and won’t necessarily be used, but still dismaying to see this news – it shows the extent to which governments everywhere are obsessed with the idea that they can, or need to, combat a virus with legislation.

298966 ▶▶ annie, replying to Julian, 2, #984 of 1162 🔗

What’s got into Sweden lately?

298975 ▶▶▶ Voz 0db, replying to annie, 5, #985 of 1162 🔗

The SRF & Billionaires CANNOT ALLOW rogue plantations!
comment image

ALL must obey…

299165 ▶▶▶▶ OKUK, replying to Voz 0db, 1, #986 of 1162 🔗

The Spelling Tyrant…two ts in Resetter, old chap!

299186 ▶▶▶▶▶ Voz 0db, replying to OKUK, #987 of 1162 🔗

My bad! Next one will be correcTT!

298980 ▶▶▶ Ben, replying to annie, 10, #988 of 1162 🔗

It’s following the same orders every other country is following.. This has never been about a virus

298998 ▶▶▶▶ John P, replying to Ben, #989 of 1162 🔗

lol, what is is about then?

These people are not fucking robots! They make their own choices. And they should be held accountable for those choices.

299006 ▶▶▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to John P, 4, #990 of 1162 🔗

Never underestimate the power of blackmail.

299010 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Julian, replying to Cheezilla, 3, #991 of 1162 🔗

Who do you suspect may be blackmailing them, and how?

299075 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Julian, #992 of 1162 🔗

I’m not one of the PTB so clearly not privy to that information.

299128 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Julian, replying to Cheezilla, 1, #993 of 1162 🔗

Well you’re suggesting there’s blackmail so presumably you have some thoughts on that

299016 ▶▶▶▶▶ Ben, replying to John P, 10, #994 of 1162 🔗

You don’t think it’s strange that every country in the world is reading from the exact same script? Or how Belarus was offered a loan in exchange for imposing lockdown and restrictions? (Belarus said ‘no’.)

No definitive proof, but it’s most likely a controlled global financial collapse (Ernst Wolff video) and/or Pharma/tech opportunism (Reiner Fuellmich video)

Ernst Wolff – Corona: The Collapse of the System
https://m.youtube.com/watch?feature=youtu.be&v=8LYjOEib9iI

Reiner Fuellmich – ‘Crimes Against Humanity’
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=1k4-CcXb0sA

299020 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Julian, replying to Ben, 9, #995 of 1162 🔗

Equally plausible IMO is that people everywhere have the same human weaknesses, the same information available, and people copy eachother and adopt a herd mentality when threatened

299025 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Ben, replying to Julian, 2, #996 of 1162 🔗

That’s the comforting thought.

299120 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Julian, replying to Ben, 3, #997 of 1162 🔗

I don’t find any of this comforting

Realising it is possible for a whole planet to go mad/be fooled so easily is shocking

299140 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Ben, replying to Julian, 4, #998 of 1162 🔗

Watch the Reiner Fuellmich video and you’ll see that much of this has been planned to benefit Pharma companies in a replay of previous ‘pandemics’. It’s been done again and again from the pandemic of 1976 in the United States to the swine flu pandemic of 2009. This time an economic crash is involved, according to Ernst Wolff

It makes more sense than a virus so deadly that we have to be tested to see if we have it or not

299142 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to Ben, 1, #999 of 1162 🔗

An economic crash cannot possibly “benefit Pharma companies”. They don’t exist as separate entities outside an economy, they are part of the economy.

299151 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Ben, replying to Nick Rose, 2, #1000 of 1162 🔗

It benefits the banks and shareholders during a crisis situation. It’s not just about Pharma

The Ernst Wolff video explains

299028 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ awildgoose, replying to Julian, 3, #1001 of 1162 🔗

Could be a little from column A and a little from column B….

299069 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Jonathan Palmer, replying to Julian, 5, #1002 of 1162 🔗

Up to May it was plausible.Not since then.It is undeniable that there is a conspiracy to maintain this crisis.

299118 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to Jonathan Palmer, -1, #1003 of 1162 🔗

A conspiracy to find a way out without national politicians compromising their positions. Nothing to do with some “higher power” which is pathetic. Sorry if that offends, but there’s nobody rich enough to do what your suggesting, ie control the politicians of the largest economies. All of them at once. Yeah, right.

299091 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ OKUK, replying to Julian, 6, #1004 of 1162 🔗

But not in China, Japan, or South Korea. None of those countries ever instituted national lockdowns that we have seen in Europe and the Americas. But then, these countries are not part of the WEF consensus on on abolishing borders, climate change and migration are they?

And anyway, why continue with this crazy policy when it is destroying your economy, your culture, your educational system and your health services? Makes no sense.

299116 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to OKUK, -1, #1005 of 1162 🔗

But the “WEF alternative” makes no sense either. To totally destroy economies leads to societal collapse, which leads to a multi-faceted war where only the strongest will win. Which is not the richest, whose money has been destroyed of course.

Makes less sense than politicians having to be seen to do something, digging a hole and then trying to cover their arses. Especially as most politicians, in the West at least, have got no more ideas in their heads than a cheese has.

The thought that the WEF is somehow pulling the strings is totally laughable. A bit like claiming the Brownies train the Army in combat techniques.

As to why they are pressing on with their crazy policies, that’s a question you need to address to them.

299141 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Ben, replying to Nick Rose, #1006 of 1162 🔗

It makes sense for shareholders

299146 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to Ben, -1, #1007 of 1162 🔗

No it doesn’t. Speaking as somebody who does hold shares in various companies, economic crashes are the worst thing that can happen. Remember the cliche of people throwing themselves off skyscrapers in 1929? They were shareholders. How, exactly, did they benefit?

299155 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Ben, replying to Nick Rose, 1, #1008 of 1162 🔗

Watch the Ernst Wolff video and it makes sense. Sell shares fast then destroy it rather than run it making a loss

299168 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to Ben, -1, #1009 of 1162 🔗

Yes, they always have their own internal logic. But “sell shares fast and then destroy it” makes even less sense. Destroy your economy, you destroy your money. You lose.

299161 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ awildgoose, replying to Nick Rose, #1010 of 1162 🔗

Crashes are why we hedge by buying put options.

299172 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to awildgoose, #1011 of 1162 🔗

Indeed, but if your entire economy is crashing, puts are no good to you either. If companies dissolve, you lose whether you go long or short. That’s because the money is no longer there. To sell, you need buyers. To buy you need sellers.

299180 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ OKUK, replying to Nick Rose, 2, #1012 of 1162 🔗

I don’t know. Not sure you’re right. Globalism like Communism can work.

I can imagine a world dominated by a few gigantic tech corporations. Amazon works perfectly well without any real free market competition. It can just get bigger bigger. I can imagine the Big Tech companies dominating the whole economy. It’s a bit moot whether they need capitalist investors. They can just reinvest their huge profits as Amazon does.

What they do need to do is control the political system to ensure no one seeks to break them up as anti-competitive. We’ve already seen Big Tech enter into a totally corrupt relationship with the Democrats. If they can steal this election the Democrats can stay in power indefinitely through rigged elections, packing the Supreme Court and persecution if political, opponents. )

It won’t lead to societal collapse. Individual rights will be replaced by group rights, in a similar way to how the Ottoman Empire operated for centuries.

299121 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Julian, replying to OKUK, #1013 of 1162 🔗

China is simply run by smarter more hard headed people than most

The other countries you mention seem to have escaped the worst of the madness though my friend in Japan tells me a lot of people are voluntarily staying at home

299143 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to OKUK, #1014 of 1162 🔗

So not every country is reacting following the same script then. Already we have two versions of the same “conspiracy”.

298999 ▶▶▶ John P, replying to annie, #1015 of 1162 🔗

Swedes?

299003 ▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to annie, #1016 of 1162 🔗

Economic leverage of some sort?

299004 ▶▶▶ Julian, replying to annie, 4, #1017 of 1162 🔗

Their government and people are subject to the same pressures as everywhere else

What is more surprising is how long they have stuck to their path

When I was there, I spoke to as many people as I could and many thought the government and fellow Swedes had not done enough to fight covid

299227 ▶▶▶ OKUK, replying to annie, #1018 of 1162 🔗

Globalism via financial corruption – like everywhere else.

298976 ▶▶ Ben, replying to Julian, 8, #1019 of 1162 🔗

Controlled demolition of the economy = The Great Reset

Ernst Wolff #Corona: The Collapse of the System

https://m.youtube.com/watch?feature=youtu.be&v=8LYjOEib9iI

299126 ▶▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to Ben, #1020 of 1162 🔗

How can you have a “controlled demolition” of an economy? Nobody can even explain every single factor that affects economies. Sure, you can destroy an economy, you can strangle it, but there’s no control. And as I say above, the result is a multi-faceted war where the strongest win. Not the richest, or the international organisations, just the strongest. And nobody can predict who that might be, either.

Reality is bad enough, let’s not egg the pudding with BS, eh? Unless you have direct evidence, from the original source, and not from your favourite peddlar of so-called “news”…

299145 ▶▶▶▶ Ben, replying to Nick Rose, 4, #1021 of 1162 🔗

It’s happening around you – and around the world – small businesses, and large businesses collapsing because of ‘Covid’ rules

299157 ▶▶▶▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to Ben, 2, #1022 of 1162 🔗

And you think that’s a “controlled” demolition? There’s no control in that, other than politicians (who these days have usually never run a business) hellbent on shutting down society in a myopic and mistaken belief that they are “controlling the virus”. Somehow. But it’s certainly not a controlled demolition, any more than the Thatcher years were a “controlled demolition”, or the 1930s slump was a “controlled demolition”. Cause and consequence are being confused here, methinks.

299162 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Ben, replying to Nick Rose, 2, #1023 of 1162 🔗

Believe what you like

If you think we’re facing the worst recession in eight decades because of a deadly virus – fine

299164 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to Ben, 3, #1024 of 1162 🔗

No, we’re facing the worst recession in eight decades because of lunatic government policies, not a virus. But they ARE lunatic policies, not planned, not controlled. This recession is the CONSEQUENCE of those policies, not the plan of some Blofeld figure lurking somewhere.

299002 ▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Julian, 4, #1025 of 1162 🔗

I suspect it shows the extent to which pressure is being exerted on governments everywhere.

299053 ▶▶ A Heretic, replying to Basileus, 2, #1027 of 1162 🔗

A true hero of the resistance.

299071 ▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Basileus, 1, #1028 of 1162 🔗

Awesome!

299017 John P, replying to John P, 12, #1029 of 1162 🔗

I wasn’t going to do this, but I thought maybe I’d give a shout out for Dick and James Delingpole and their regular podcast as it’s put me in a surprisingly chipper mood this evening.

Two lockdown sceptics who like me detest the electric windmills of Johnson’s deranged green revolution.

I don’t have many friends these days so it’s good to stick on the headphones for 90 minutes and pretend that I’m not really so sad and lonely.

Sound chaps and only marginally older than I am. I think if Toby Young gives it a listen though he may want to strangle James Delingpole for some unguarded criticisms of Toby’s “cuckishness” regarding Trump. James and tact don’t really go together well.

There was even a Doctor Who question posed at the end of the podcast. And I got the right answer! Yas! But I don’t contribute to the comments so they didn’t know. (Well, I was a big Dr Who fan when it was good in the seventies and early eighties).

Recommended:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qZFWqJoqfvo

299042 ▶▶ Evelyn, replying to John P, 10, #1030 of 1162 🔗

To me James Delingpole is a voice of sanity, plus he has a senses of humour. I don’t agree with him on everything but I really like him.

299163 ▶▶▶ OKUK, replying to Evelyn, #1031 of 1162 🔗

Likewise. I don’t agree with him on green energy (he’s been saying the same for two decades but the technology and economics have moved on). On lockdowns and masking he’s been spot on.

299219 ▶▶ Dorian_Hawkmoon, replying to John P, #1032 of 1162 🔗

Indeed P. A great podcast if a little chaotic as they navigate the weird digisphere. Clearly high Tory and I might receive short shrift in their presence, replete with its educational signifiers but entertaining and informative and one feels slightly more chipper at the end of it. They are good guys. This legal lockdown has been a great leveller so that their bemusement chimes with mine. And yeah, keep it quiet about the glory of the True North. Stay well sir. We are all friends here. x

299018 AN other lockdown sceptic, replying to AN other lockdown sceptic, 2, #1033 of 1162 🔗

The Business Collapse Continues

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hj01huYqRgM

299024 ▶▶ John P, replying to AN other lockdown sceptic, 2, #1034 of 1162 🔗

lol, there’s even a bloke wearing a leather mask.

299192 ▶▶▶ Noumenon, replying to John P, #1035 of 1162 🔗

That’s a bit kinky.

299097 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to AN other lockdown sceptic, 1, #1036 of 1162 🔗

You can tell the guy filming is wearing a mask.

Apart from that, that is one powerful video

299106 ▶▶ theanalyst, replying to AN other lockdown sceptic, 1, #1037 of 1162 🔗

Good video (apart from mask) This is sadly replicated in the building where I work – used be full of small /medium and large business office workers. Now the car park is 1/3 full and about half of this is explained by going bust and the other half by wfh.

The boss from next door used to employ about 20 young people doing AAT (accountancy) training as they did the accounts / payroll etc for many companies in catering (restaurants). When these businesses were shut down by Boris, he immediately laid off 80% of the workforce in March, as cash flow died.

299200 ▶▶ Two-Six, replying to AN other lockdown sceptic, 4, #1038 of 1162 🔗

I haven’t been near our town centre or any other ones very much, it’s just shocking to see all the masks. Absolute fuckery.
What is wrong with people?

299021 Tking, replying to Tking, 23, #1039 of 1162 🔗

I went out today in Surrey, had a lovely meal in an independant restaurant, and then wandered around the shops, no where near as busy as I had expected it to be, but due to only allowing a few people in at a time, queues outside most shops, and in a few stores they even checked if we lived together!, only 2 people from one household allowed in, and to stay together at all times once in, I saw a family of 4 get turned away from well known store.

The only place that treated us like humans was a small independant department store, with friendly helpful staff who didnt feel the need to interrogate us on entering, although they followed all the rules.

I could not see how it was even worth most of the shops opening due to so few people allowed in at a time, people giving up as they didnt want to queue, and also not alot of stock, I think some places had taken stock out to leave more room for social distancing.

This was my first trip to the shops in many months after doing all my shopping online, it will be my last until the madness stops.

299026 ▶▶ Tking, replying to Tking, 9, #1040 of 1162 🔗

I forgot to add, so many shops and cafes had closed since we were last there, which made it more depressing.

299051 ▶▶▶ annie, replying to Tking, 18, #1041 of 1162 🔗

Shops treat customers like diseased vermin, and then expect to thrive. Far better to shop online, and stay human. All zombie shops can go bust for all I care.

299093 ▶▶▶▶ theanalyst, replying to annie, 12, #1042 of 1162 🔗

Quite a few shops round here have taken down the mask signs. I think some are starting to work it out, slowly. It is a fight to the death for them. Zombie shops absolutely must go bust as they treat customers like sh*&e. Amazon delivery people smile at me without masks. My kind of people.

299189 ▶▶▶▶▶ Noumenon, replying to theanalyst, 5, #1043 of 1162 🔗

It is a deep irony that the dehumanised and over worked delivery drivers are some of the most human people about.

299256 ▶▶▶ Borisbullshit, replying to Tking, 1, #1044 of 1162 🔗

Sounds like a lot more will be closing! These shops are so thick they think the customers are the enemy not the evil government which they have totally failed to stand up to.

299046 ▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Tking, 4, #1045 of 1162 🔗

What a horrible experience! No wonder the shops weren’t busy. They deserve to go bust.
Glad you enjoyed your meal.

299052 ▶▶ theanalyst, replying to Tking, 16, #1046 of 1162 🔗

My Turkish Barber shop is cool. Enter with no mask. sit down in comfy warm chair, wait, get hair cut, leave with a smile.

The English Barber (who I don’t use) at the end of my street had, this morning, at 9.40am, 3 customers waiting, with masks on, in a socially distanced standing queue, outside in the cold. None had jackets on. No-one is allowed to sit inside and wait.

We all have choices about where to go and get our hair cut, and Barbers have choices about whether to watch the BBC/Sky etc. and let themselves be brainwashed into self bankruptcy.

299054 ▶▶ davews, replying to Tking, 3, #1047 of 1162 🔗

One of the larger shops in our town has a sign ‘only 147 customers allowed in at once’. Not sure how they count them… Out Tesco now has a green/red traffic light system which somehow counts people and shuts the door if the number has been exceeded. Fortunately mostly it is green – and the shop still seems pretty busy inside.

299088 ▶▶ James007, replying to Tking, 11, #1048 of 1162 🔗

I have been suprised by the zealous attitude that some have taking in adopting these restrictions. I almost bought a coffee from a serving hatch, but was taking a moment to read the mind boggling “covid safety rules”. There was no one else about. The lady serving said “Excuse me, can you please keep 2m away from the serving area PLEASE”.
I thought, well to make you feel safer, I won’t spend anything, I walked away and have some instant coffee when I got home.

299119 ▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to James007, 3, #1049 of 1162 🔗

Thought? You should have told her!
Businesses who treat potential customers like lepers don’t deserve to survive.

299122 ▶▶▶▶ PatrickF, replying to Cheezilla, #1050 of 1162 🔗

The customer is guilty until proved innocent!

299125 ▶▶▶ PatrickF, replying to James007, #1051 of 1162 🔗

I’ll throw you a fiver, as long as you can throw me my change!

299110 ▶▶ SionnachAirgid, replying to Tking, 1, #1052 of 1162 🔗

Sounds like my last trip into Truro

299023 safetyfirst101, 1, #1053 of 1162 🔗

I would just like to say how proud I am of all those warriors in the field taking on for the team by wearing a mask to protect others.

299030 Old Normal, replying to Old Normal, 4, #1054 of 1162 🔗

A study on droplets and face coverings which shows some are more harmful than no mask.

https://advances.sciencemag.org/content/6/36/eabd3083

The rest of it is too technical for my old brain, so if anyone can interpret it, that would be great.

Thanks

299047 ▶▶ annie, replying to Old Normal, 8, #1055 of 1162 🔗

It assumes from the outset, on no evidence, that nappying is a good thing, snd that asymptomatic transmission is a fact. Does not include any trial unvolving a non-nappied subject.Therefore biased.

299049 ▶▶ OKUK, replying to Old Normal, 26, #1056 of 1162 🔗

AD CONCEPT

WOMAN’S VOICE: I wear a mask because I’ve been brainwashed and didn’t realise it was a danger to myself and others. I will carry on wearing it.

[SOUND: Loud sheep bleat.]

OLD PERSON’S VOICE: I wear a mask because I am a follower and can’t think for myself.

[SOUND: Louder sheep bleat.]

MALE VOICE: I wear a mask because I don’t care about my freedom.

[SOUND: Bleating of sheep grows in intensity and volume. Then cut to 1 second silence.]

ANNOUNCER: Don’t go like a lamb to the slaughter. Do something about it. Drop that mask..

299061 ▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to OKUK, 3, #1057 of 1162 🔗

Good one but you forgot the virtue-signaller.

299076 ▶▶▶▶ OKUK, replying to Cheezilla, 2, #1058 of 1162 🔗

Yes! !

299156 ▶▶▶ awildgoose, replying to OKUK, #1059 of 1162 🔗

There are actually satirical YouTube skits along these lines.

Sorry I don’t have a link handy.

299070 ▶▶ PastImperfect, replying to Old Normal, 4, #1060 of 1162 🔗

“My mask is a danger to you, your mask is a danger to me.”

Not really. The fact is they hardly make any difference. Any enclosed space will soon fill up with pathogens as a result mainly of breathing as pathogen laden air escapes through and around the mask. However this can be beneficial for priming immune systems with dilute doses of any new pathogen that people have encountered.

But

“Your mask is a danger to you, my mask is a danger to me” because we breathe our own pathogens back into our lungs.

299036 safetyfirst101, replying to safetyfirst101, 4, #1061 of 1162 🔗

I am starting a petition to erect a statue of Matt Hancock in parliament square to celebrate all he has done for this country

299059 ▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to safetyfirst101, 2, #1062 of 1162 🔗

Presumably he’ll be depicted in a pillory and rotting veg and eggs will be freely available?

299179 ▶▶▶ annie, replying to Cheezilla, 1, #1063 of 1162 🔗

Never mind the statue, the live beast will do fine.

299062 ▶▶ Sam Vimes, replying to safetyfirst101, 11, #1064 of 1162 🔗

The other day, Biker (hallowed be his name) posted that he wanted a statue of Nik Sturg Un in his hometown… so he could piss on it every day.

299039 Cheezilla, 4, #1065 of 1162 🔗

Is there an official cutoff number between tiers 2 and 3?
There are some seriously unfair allocations at the moment.
eg.
Epping Forest: 275 tier 2
Stratford-on-Avon: 51.5 tier 3

https://electionmaps.uk/covid19-tier-map

I guess the testers must have moved camp …….

299044 theanalyst, replying to theanalyst, 10, #1066 of 1162 🔗

So how many kids have died of Covid since they re-opened our schools in September? Does anyone have a link to the official figures? What about teachers? Any figures for them? Just asking.

299058 ▶▶ calchas, replying to theanalyst, 3, #1067 of 1162 🔗

It is very nearly 9 months since lockdown began.

I am expecting a slump in births.

After all, who wants to bring kids into the world under present conditions.

The question is:

How many children will not be born because of lockdown?

299072 ▶▶▶ OKUK, replying to calchas, 8, #1068 of 1162 🔗

There’ll definitely be a slump in births once young women are persuaded to have the vaccine.

299089 ▶▶▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to OKUK, 3, #1069 of 1162 🔗

Apparently there hasn’t. It was discussed on here a few days ago. It will surely come tho as the economic mare arrives.

There’s a slump in marriages for sure. Also a slump in Christmas office quickies

299080 ▶▶▶ theanalyst, replying to calchas, 5, #1070 of 1162 🔗

Ouch. Good point. My daughter was planning another child but this has been delayed as her partner, a pilot, lost his job. He is now fitting windows and hopes to get back in again in March/April. There will be a huge slump in Births.

299187 ▶▶▶ Noumenon, replying to calchas, #1071 of 1162 🔗

Couples are spending more time at home. Plenty of opportunities for accidents.

I don’t think the birth rate will slip until the money runs out. That’ll be when the real crisis hits and the government can’t buy people off anymore.

299130 ▶▶ Biker, replying to theanalyst, 1, #1072 of 1162 🔗

None here at Hogwarts and the bastards have got us in tier three and a half

299173 ▶▶▶ Dorian_Hawkmoon, replying to Biker, 1, #1073 of 1162 🔗

Ye’d better be in Griffindor then and see off wee scumbag Umbridge

299176 ▶▶▶▶ annie, replying to Dorian_Hawkmoon, 1, #1074 of 1162 🔗

Umbridge is alive and well and queening it at Holyrood.

299138 ▶▶ Ben, replying to theanalyst, #1075 of 1162 🔗

Some school children killed themselves because of lockdown

299048 Fingerache Philip., replying to Fingerache Philip., 3, #1076 of 1162 🔗

The worst collaborating store with petty rules are in my opinion is TK Maxx.

299056 ▶▶ Sodastream, replying to Fingerache Philip., 4, #1077 of 1162 🔗

Thanks, good to know so I can avoid.

299124 ▶▶▶ Fingerache Philip., replying to Sodastream, #1078 of 1162 🔗

No problem.

299135 ▶▶ Janice21, replying to Fingerache Philip., 1, #1079 of 1162 🔗

Ive been to two different TX Maxx since March inbetween lockdowns/restrictions and havent had any issues with either. I’m always unmasked and staff have been really friendly. In northern ireland.

299195 ▶▶▶ gina, replying to Janice21, #1080 of 1162 🔗

Same here in Norfolk.

299050 AnotherSceptic, replying to AnotherSceptic, 16, #1081 of 1162 🔗

https://uk.yahoo.com/news/covid-19-list-tier-3-182500396.html

I expect the little dictator El Presidente Sturgeon to follow suit, but with even harsher measures.
& All the sheep will lap it up.

Also, I am aware Yahoo is like the BBC with keeping up the fear mongering & propaganda.

Fucking Scumbags. If you are reading this Nicola, the term Scumbag applies to you also.

299057 ▶▶ AN other lockdown sceptic, replying to AnotherSceptic, 7, #1082 of 1162 🔗

Wow. It must be a magic money rainforest we’re tapping in to now to fund all this madness.

299065 ▶▶▶ OKUK, replying to AN other lockdown sceptic, 9, #1083 of 1162 🔗

The future …

The future’s not bright and it’s not orange, it’s dimly lit and shit.

299064 ▶▶ John P, replying to AnotherSceptic, 11, #1084 of 1162 🔗

I’m glad my area isn’t being included in the mass testing. Will save me the trouble of telling them to fuck off.

299087 ▶▶ Bella, replying to AnotherSceptic, 1, #1085 of 1162 🔗

Yeah, this is a non-story

299073 theanalyst, replying to theanalyst, 42, #1086 of 1162 🔗

Had a great day – drove from Hampshire M3/M25/M40 to visit my widowed step mum in Tier 3 Coventry with the wife. Step mum lives alone but fortunately now has so many bubbles she has lost count. No-one has ever asked. No-one ever will.

My Daughter and her family turned up at the same time. We all hugged, ate a wonderful meal together, and then spent a couple of hours enjoying ourselves. Normal healthy family stuff.

Motorways reasonably busy, even in and out of Coventry, so most people seem to be ignoring the rules, whatever the rules are today.

299112 ▶▶ John P, replying to theanalyst, 13, #1087 of 1162 🔗

Yes, I was on the M1 today. The roads were as busy as they used to be.

299175 ▶▶ annie, replying to theanalyst, #1088 of 1162 🔗

Good!

299081 James007, replying to James007, 27, #1089 of 1162 🔗

Diseases worse than Covid:
• Malignant neoplasm of trachea, bronchus and lung.
• Ischaemic heart diseases.
• Influenza and pneumonia.
• Dementia and Alzheimer disease.
• Cerebrovascular diseases.
• Various cancers
• Matt Hancock

299129 ▶▶ Biker, replying to James007, 1, #1090 of 1162 🔗

Bromidrosis

299158 ▶▶ OKUK, replying to James007, #1091 of 1162 🔗

Incurable stupidity. I saw you had Matt Hancock but you didn’t name the disease.

299160 ▶▶▶ Bella, replying to OKUK, 1, #1092 of 1162 🔗

That’s the name of the disease

299181 ▶▶ Voz 0db, replying to James007, 12, #1093 of 1162 🔗

Only COVIDIUS matters…
comment image

299084 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to Country Mumkin, 6, #1095 of 1162 🔗

One of the doctors behind this also had the same treatment

https://swprs.org/facts-about-covid-19/

He was on the Richie Allen Show talking about it.

It’s also happened in Australia

299153 ▶▶ awildgoose, replying to Country Mumkin, 1, #1096 of 1162 🔗

Wait 6 months.

They will implement the re-education camps of Xi’s dreams.

299100 Dr Hugo Z Hackenbush, replying to Dr Hugo Z Hackenbush, 3, #1097 of 1162 🔗

I live in Solihull (T3), but very close to the border with Worcestershire (T2). Naturally, a few of us walk the 50 yards to the Drawbridge Pub for a pint. Last night, a couple of ragged-arse PC’s entered the place and walked around it asking everyone for their postcode. If you couldn’t reel it off immediately, you got a £100 fine. “What if I have a speech impediment and cant get it out quickly?” “You still get the fine, but can appeal and if genuine, have it revoked”. Great. Whatever happened to a bit of discretion along the lines of “If you’re from T3, drink up and leave”. I’ve always tried to respect the police and provide whatever support I can. Its a difficult job, etc. But I shall see them in a different light from now on. Another triumph for SAGE.

299288 ▶▶ annie, replying to Dr Hugo Z Hackenbush, 1, #1098 of 1162 🔗

Police state in actiin.
Mrmorise a postcode from T2. You can get them very easily online.

299133 kenadams, replying to kenadams, 37, #1099 of 1162 🔗

I want to say something positive. I’ve noticed that over the past couple of weeks the number of maskless shoppers at my local co op has risen considerably. It’s rare now for me to visit without at least one other person being massless and it’s only a small corner shop.

299154 ▶▶ OKUK, replying to kenadams, 5, #1100 of 1162 🔗

Great news!

299169 ▶▶ DRW, replying to kenadams, 7, #1101 of 1162 🔗

Nice to hear. Compliance is also dropping if more slowly around my shops, I’ve not been the only unmasked shopper for the past few trips now. I see similar on public transport.

299170 ▶▶ Hughie, replying to kenadams, 8, #1102 of 1162 🔗

I wish I could share this optimism. I went to M&S in Kew today and my wife and I were almost the only unmasked people there, apart from one old bloke and a young black girl who had a lanyard on. Maybe one or two others with the below-the-nose thing.

I was in Waitrose in Ealing a few days ago and I was definitely the only unmasked person there. But that’s to be expected.

Interestingly one of my most sceptical friends has been broken after too much pressure from some miseryguts in the Cotswolds (again, to be expected). But I have only ever had the lightest of polite challenges and never bowed. It must be to do with bearing. She is only about 5’ and a girl, I am a 6’ man and evidently carry a look not to be messed with. I can only put this down to my genuine rage at having my family’s income removed by this whole shitshow.

299174 ▶▶▶ annie, replying to Hughie, 4, #1103 of 1162 🔗

Perhaps you could arrange to go shopping with your small but valiant
friend?

299184 ▶▶▶▶ Hughie, replying to annie, 3, #1104 of 1162 🔗

You’re right, I should. She is totally on side but just needs a bit more support. I even sent her the excellent info from http://www.laworfiction.com but this busybody near her is obviously a real piece of work. She actually kept this altercation from me but now I’ve found out I am going to ride in!

299182 ▶▶▶ DRW, replying to Hughie, 8, #1105 of 1162 🔗

I make a point of positive engagement with fellow unmasked shoppers, many I’ve seem have appreciated a smile and thumbs up. I try to hold on to these memories and fall sleep at night thinking of all the good people like them out there.

One of my most interesting observations has been young women all going round shops and on trains in unmasked groups, safety in numbers I guess.

299285 ▶▶▶▶ annie, replying to DRW, 1, #1106 of 1162 🔗

I think group excursions may be the answer. Being bitched at by spiteful, nappied numpties is very unpleasant when you’re alone, particularly when there’s a baying mob if them. Talk about being savaged by dead sheep!

299193 ▶▶ BTLnewbie, replying to kenadams, 3, #1107 of 1162 🔗

Fully masked (all bar me) in Tesco Loughborough I regret to announce.
First time I’ve been in for many weeks, for emergency supplies!

299217 ▶▶ Andrew K, replying to kenadams, 1, #1108 of 1162 🔗

Co-op have been using facial recognition and AI, they now know all the unmasked. Isolation camps await.
On other notes about facemasks, one good one bad. We were in our chippie having a sit down fish n Chips. Everybody buying takeawy were muzzled. Except one guy who shouted at the chip shop owner to lower his mask as he looked like a gangster. I turned around and gave hime a thumbs up. He returned it. I think he knew what that was about. However on another note we were in a bathroom superstore where everybody was muzzled, me and the wife wasn’t. We couldn’t get any service then a muzzled staff told us very rudly I’m not coming near you guys as you are not wearing a mask. 🙁

299226 ▶▶▶ Stringfellow Hawke, replying to Andrew K, 2, #1109 of 1162 🔗

I’m not coming near you guys as you are not wearing a mask.” probably for the best. I mean, — who knows if that staff member has asymptomatic tuberculosis, diphtheria, or rocky mountain flu? it’s a minefield out there 🙂

299258 ▶▶▶ Borisbullshit, replying to Andrew K, 1, #1110 of 1162 🔗

What an arse he was….fuck his business then.

299287 ▶▶▶ annie, replying to Andrew K, 1, #1111 of 1162 🔗

They were discriminating against the disabled. That’s illegal.

299150 chaos, 1, #1112 of 1162 🔗

I’m H A P P E
I’m H A P P E
I know someone in government
I’m $UR£ I am
I’m H A P P E

299152 Two-Six, #1113 of 1162 🔗

From a forum, I call “The campervan idiot” forum.
VACCINATED!
“Well today by virtue of my working role I was lucky enough to get the first dose of what I sincerely hope will be the vaccine that gives me long term protection from coronavirus and if we are all lucky will stop me transmitting the virus to others.

It’s not the only immunisation I’ve needed, and received, as a front line healthcare worker but it could well be the most significant for our population in my lifetime.

Second dose booked for 30th of this month.

In all honesty I do have a slightly sore arm but it will be a very small price to pay for the protection it should bestow.
Let’s hope the programme is received the way it should and gives us all the chance to get out and about again.”

Some comments…brace yourselves, this ain’t pretty…
“Wow how lovely to read this , thanks for all you do as a front line health worker.
Like you I hope the programme is seen in a positive light.”

“Looking forward to my turn. They need more vaccinators here so my daughter applied to to told she doesn’t have the necessary skills. As a vet, she has only been doing all sorts of difficult injections for nearly 20 years!”

“I was looking forward to getting mine done ASAP. Since the start of the pandemic I have been worried about contracting it and have been sensible with everything I have done and working in healthcare I am a big advocate of vaccination.

Alas as luck would have it, I developed symptoms on the day the jab started. I am hoping it’s just a normal virus but the lateral flow tests we are using gave me a positive. Just awaiting the PCR test results while feeling ill in bed.My point is, if offered the jab, please take it. I wish I could have done.”

“Plenty of people not trusting of the free vaccine saying we dont know if its safe. Then at weekends spend hundreds of pounds snorting coke bought off some scroat on a street corner. Hmm thats safe ! ”

“The same people buying unicorn glitter gin from
B&M Home Bargains.

Joking aside, I have looked at the evidence, the regulator knows what’s at stake with this vaccine. It’s safe and tested far more than most new drugs. They all have a risk of adverse reactions and that’s nothing new, I have been giving out flu jabs for years and we always had a few reactions.”

“Perhaps one day we will see more publicity for the folk who’ve worked so hard to bring this vaccine to this stage so quick.How many lives have they saved just remarkable.”

“My 89 year old mum was phoned by the GP practice yesterday to offer her the vaccine – she refused!!! After I ranted at her she said she was waiting for the Oxford one as it was British!!!”

“Just phoned my 87 year old Daily Mail-reading mother to warn her that she will be getting a call from her gp to get the vaccination and she said she didn’t think that it was safe to have.
Told her that it is the only way she would be released from the confines of her house for the foreseeable future and that they wouldn’t be giving it to doctors and nurses if it wasn’t safe.Her choice.”
**********************

Ouch!

299159 Zak Thelotofem, 1, #1114 of 1162 🔗

Please watch and share with your friends:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4V3yxrJwJQs&t=368s

299177 Hughie, 7, #1115 of 1162 🔗

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-55279371

What a load of bollocks. Amazing how the BBC gets away with this continually – trotting out the opinion of a total non-entity as though it’s some sort of authoritative news.

A quick google of this Bauld woman shows she is just a puritanical Prohibitionist with letters after her name. A career dedicated to saving the peasants from their filthy ways.

299183 Les Tricoteuses, replying to Les Tricoteuses, 15, #1116 of 1162 🔗

In an amusing twist (to me anyway) the person who I had a disagreement with about track and trace on Thursday at work was contacted and told to isolate later that afternoon. Suddenly not so happy about it. At least I won’t have to see him this side of Christmas.

299188 ▶▶ mjr, replying to Les Tricoteuses, 3, #1117 of 1162 🔗

Schadenfreude
noun [ U ] UK /ˈʃɑː.dənˌfrɔɪ.də/ US /ˈʃɑː.dənˌfrɔɪ.də/

a feeling of pleasure or satisfaction when something bad happens to someone else

299225 ▶▶▶ OKUK, replying to mjr, 1, #1118 of 1162 🔗

Or, as the younger folk would say: karma is a bitch.

299185 mjr, replying to mjr, 1, #1119 of 1162 🔗

watching the boxing. 1000 fans allowed into the Wembley arena. Looks like most of them are not masked – but of course are distanced .
However everyone else – referee , seconds etc masked. in fact cornermen all wearing masks and visors at the same time. At least boxers arent masked

299203 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to mjr, 6, #1120 of 1162 🔗

The arbitrary nature of masking is just a sign of of how much they are laughing at the gullibility of the population

299190 OKUK, replying to OKUK, 7, #1121 of 1162 🔗

America Matters.

If the Dems steal the election it will be the end of democracy in the US and it will be victory for Globalism, PC ideology, the Far Left and Chinese infiltration – and of course with their victory so too Lockdownism, Big Pharma, Vaxomania and Inhuman Masking are all victorious as well.

299206 ▶▶ OKUK, replying to OKUK, 5, #1122 of 1162 🔗

A physicist John Droz has with a team of experts been analysing precinct results in Michigan. What they have found is more than statistically improbable – it is impossible, or the equivalent of one person winning the lottery 65 times in a row. An example is in Ingham County, Michigan where the Biden-Trump votes track each other with literally unbelievable consistency (in the 50-55% range for Biden) . This just never happens in the real world as the precincts are small. The 2016 show what one expect a complete lack of consistency. And if course as this is repeated jn county aftercounty the odds of the phenomenon being the result of genuine voting vanish into nothingness.

It is crystal clear these votes were being generated by computer algorithms.

It is clear this is a stolen election.

299211 ▶▶ OKUK, replying to OKUK, 4, #1123 of 1162 🔗

There was no announcement but it has now been revealed that four people have been seconded from Big Tech corporations (the usual suspects: Facebook, Twitter etc) to serve on the Biden Transition Team. A clearer example of the corrupt relationship between Big Tech (which censored and suppressed the evidence of Biden crime family corruption) and the Democratic Party (which could not have won without them) could not be imagined.

299214 ▶▶▶ Stringfellow Hawke, replying to OKUK, 1, #1124 of 1162 🔗

No real surprise. FB exec Sheryl Sandberg previously spent so much time & effort openly colluding with the Democrats, that she was tipped for a Cabinet job in the [then-anticipated] Clinton White House after the 2016 election…!

299222 ▶▶ OKUK, replying to OKUK, #1125 of 1162 🔗

Only one Dominion voting machine (from Antrim County, Michigan) has been released for independent forensic analysis under a court order. The analysis has shown it was the machine that generated a 6000 vote switch to Biden, not “human error” as claimed by election officials.

299191 Two-Six, replying to Two-Six, 3, #1126 of 1162 🔗

I just posted this but with a few links and it got put into suspension so hre is my 2nd go with the links removed

Some postings from a forum, I call “The campervan idiot” forum.
***************************
VACCINATED!
“Well today by virtue of my working role I was lucky enough to get the first dose of what I sincerely hope will be the vaccine that gives me long term protection from coronavirus and if we are all lucky will stop me transmitting the virus to others.
It’s not the only immunisation I’ve needed, and received, as a front line healthcare worker but it could well be the most significant for our population in my lifetime.
Second dose booked for 30th of this month.
In all honesty I do have a slightly sore arm but it will be a very small price to pay for the protection it should bestow.
Let’s hope the programme is received the way it should and gives us all the chance to get out and about again.”

Some comments…brace yourselves, this ain’t pretty…

“Wow how lovely to read this , thanks for all you do as a front line health worker.
Like you I hope the programme is seen in a positive light.”

“Looking forward to my turn. They need more vaccinators here so my daughter applied to to told she doesn’t have the necessary skills. As a vet, she has only been doing all sorts of difficult injections for nearly 20 years!”

“I was looking forward to getting mine done ASAP. Since the start of the pandemic I have been worried about contracting it and have been sensible with everything I have done and working in healthcare I am a big advocate of vaccination.
Alas as luck would have it, I developed symptoms on the day the jab started. I am hoping it’s just a normal virus but the lateral flow tests we are using gave me a positive. Just awaiting the PCR test results while feeling ill in bed.My point is, if offered the jab, please take it. I wish I could have done.”

“Plenty of people not trusting of the free vaccine saying we dont know if its safe. Then at weekends spend hundreds of pounds snorting coke bought off some scroat on a street corner. Hmm thats safe ! ”

“The same people buying unicorn glitter gin from B&M Home Bargains.
Joking aside, I have looked at the evidence, the regulator knows what’s at stake with this vaccine. It’s safe and tested far more than most new drugs. They all have a risk of adverse reactions and that’s nothing new, I have been giving out flu jabs for years and we always had a few reactions.”

“Perhaps one day we will see more publicity for the folk who’ve worked so hard to bring this vaccine to this stage so quick.How many lives have they saved just remarkable.”
“My 89 year old mum was phoned by the GP practice yesterday to offer her the vaccine – she refused!!! After I ranted at her she said she was waiting for the Oxford one as it was British!!!”

“Just phoned my 87 year old Daily Mail-reading mother to warn her that she will be getting a call from her gp to get the vaccination and she said she didn’t think that it was safe to have.
Told her that it is the only way she would be released from the confines of her house for the foreseeable future and that they wouldn’t be giving it to doctors and nurses if it wasn’t safe.Her choice.”
**********************
Ouch!

299196 ▶▶ Noumenon, replying to Two-Six, 4, #1127 of 1162 🔗

What is this thing about coke and vaccines? I’ve seen more than one person suggest that those who are cautious about vaccine safety do coke from dodgy men at the weekends. How is that even a thought anyone would have? Me thinks they doth protest too much.

Also, as for the last one, all these people who think the vaccine will let them out are in for a rude awakening when they aren’t. And, even if eventually they are, at this rate there will be nothing left to come out to!

299198 ▶▶▶ Alethea, replying to Noumenon, 2, #1128 of 1162 🔗

Because anyone who resists this preposterous narrative is obviously a decadent anti-social proto-psychopath, as casually keen on his or her own death as on everyone else’s.

299202 ▶▶▶▶ Noumenon, replying to Alethea, 1, #1129 of 1162 🔗

I’d say that it’s pretty clear by the accusation that they are the ones who have experience of buying white powder from men on street corners.

299201 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to Two-Six, 1, #1130 of 1162 🔗

Dark times ahead people.

299205 ▶▶ DRW, replying to Two-Six, 4, #1131 of 1162 🔗

I’d just leave these idiots, the higher the voluntary uptake the more opportunities there are for disaster.

299209 ▶▶ godowneasy, replying to Two-Six, 2, #1132 of 1162 🔗

eeerrrggghhh

299213 ▶▶ calchas, replying to Two-Six, 5, #1133 of 1162 🔗

““Plenty of people not trusting of the free vaccine saying we dont know if its safe. Then at weekends spend hundreds of pounds snorting coke bought off some scroat on a street corner. Hmm thats safe ! ”

My questions to this person:

How many people have snorted coke – and over what period of time?

How many people have taken the vaccine – and over what period of time?

Conclusion – effects of coke much better known than the vaccine, therefore vaccine much more risky.

299216 ▶▶▶ Two-Six, replying to calchas, 2, #1134 of 1162 🔗

At least you know what your getting with street coke, 40% novacaine, 10% lignocaine, 20% Amphetamine Sulphate, 10% Vim and 20% cocaine (if your “lucky”)

299231 ▶▶▶▶ wayno, replying to Two-Six, #1135 of 1162 🔗

I have had the same conversation, 1 dealers don’t cut it with shit that kills you as they want you back next week. 2 it personal choice not coerced or mandated. But then again I’m a granny killer.

299283 ▶▶▶▶ annie, replying to Two-Six, #1136 of 1162 🔗

Plus a bit of powdered chalk, I’m told.

299239 ▶▶▶ Chicot, replying to calchas, #1137 of 1162 🔗

It’s not exactly setting the bar very high, is it? I can see the marketing campaign now – “Get the Covid vaccine. It’s safer than the cocaine you get from your dealer”…

299282 ▶▶ annie, replying to Two-Six, #1138 of 1162 🔗

So they wouldn’t let the vet inject the snake oil? Wonder why. I’ve seen innumerable vets administer injections to my dogs and they are neat, skilful and quick. Of course, though, they are used to treating intelligent animals, not zombies.

Doubtless a Covid marshal would be preferred, after half an hour’s training. They would inject with the correct attitude.

299212 Old Normal, replying to Old Normal, 7, #1139 of 1162 🔗

This gave me some hope…

https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/scottish-news/anti-lockdown-protesters-gather-outside-23157591

There are too many failings with Sturgeon and the SNP for them to deal with at the same time.

Scotland is run like a bowling club committee. It’s beyond embarrassing.

Some people still think she’s doing a good job but there’s a huge tide of mounting anger and resentment which will hopefully force her resignation asap.

299280 ▶▶ annie, replying to Old Normal, 1, #1140 of 1162 🔗

If any Scots at all are outside the Cult of the Great Leader, there is hope.

299215 BeBopRockSteady, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 2, #1141 of 1162 🔗
299218 ▶▶ Tenchy, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 3, #1142 of 1162 🔗

Oh! So it didn’t come from the Wuhan Institute of Virology then?

Bollocks! Of course it did!

299221 ▶▶ godowneasy, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 6, #1143 of 1162 🔗

Nothing to see here – move on

299223 ▶▶ OKUK, replying to BeBopRockSteady, #1144 of 1162 🔗

“They knew it wasn’t SARS”????? Its effing called SARS!!

299233 ▶▶▶ Hieronimusb, replying to OKUK, 4, #1145 of 1162 🔗

You could just as easily call it FNARS-CoV-2 (For No Apparent Reason Say CoronaVirus 2) except the joke is on us. It doesn’t satisfy the Koch Postulates gold standard test for a novel pathogen, has never been isolated as a complete virus taken from any living cells, only assembled from a box of bits in the lab like a jigsaw where the image is unknown and then detected using a wholly inappropriate assay, has no defining symptoms that aren’t shared with various other respiratory infections, and on, and on. Can it truly be said to exist?!

299261 ▶▶▶▶ Stuart, replying to Hieronimusb, #1146 of 1162 🔗

In the minds of the lumpencovidariat it is the destroyer of worlds.

299278 ▶▶▶▶▶ annie, replying to Stuart, #1147 of 1162 🔗

Starting with their brains, assuming that they had any to begin with.

299220 Old Normal, replying to Old Normal, 3, #1148 of 1162 🔗

Peru suspends trials for China’s vaccine after ‘serious adverse event’
Peru has suspended trials of China’s Sinopharm coronavirus vaccine due to a “serious adverse event” that occurred with one of the volunteers for the study, the Peruvian government has said.

The country’s health ministry said the event is “under investigation to determine if it is related to the vaccine or if there is another explanation.”

The trial, which involves 12,000 volunteers, was due to complete its first phase in the next few days.

This is not the vaccine which has begun to be administered in the UK.

Peru has lost 36,544 lives to the coronavirus pandemic so far.

299224 ▶▶ chaos, replying to Old Normal, 2, #1149 of 1162 🔗

They killed Paddington.

299229 ▶▶▶ OKUK, replying to chaos, 1, #1150 of 1162 🔗

Evan will be sad but will probably blame Nigel.

299277 ▶▶▶ annie, replying to chaos, 1, #1151 of 1162 🔗

o, he git away, but his aunt Lucy was in a home for retired bears in Lima, and there can be little hope for her.

299228 Andrew K, replying to Andrew K, 9, #1152 of 1162 🔗
299234 ▶▶ Voz 0db, replying to Andrew K, 2, #1153 of 1162 🔗

The best part of that is the nose!

299230 Salopian’, 1, #1154 of 1162 🔗

In the light of police oppression regularly seen and reported on these pages. can readers suggest a suitable slogan with regard to the future funding of our brave constabulary ?

299236 Steeve, replying to Steeve, #1155 of 1162 🔗
299237 ▶▶ calchas, replying to Steeve, #1156 of 1162 🔗

Thanks Steeve but we are in prison.

I don’t want to be fucking entertained.

299238 calchas, 1, #1157 of 1162 🔗

Daily mortality curves Germany : 2018, 2019, 2020 (to (.8 Nov)

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EpCQ2lQXMAAv11Y?format=png&name=small

Nothing special going on in 2020..

299240 Hugh, 4, #1158 of 1162 🔗

I see someone posted that some children killed themselves because of lockdown. I would add that, 100 per cent, more children will die from lockdowns than will be saved by them. Indeed, it’s doubtful if any children will be saved by lockdowns.

It’s evil what’s happening, and I don’t see how anyone can justify it. (Or maybe the sort of people who chastise a coastguard for rescuing a girl stuck up a cliff because he broke safety rules. Something like this really did happen. The coastguard resigned, as I recall.)

299245 OKUK, 4, #1159 of 1162 🔗

Listen up people! Why don’t you follow the BBC’s hugely intelligent Marianna Spring (their Orwellian-sounding “Disinformation Correspondent”) instead of trusting your own judgement, eh?

If you did, you would realise there are three types of response to the wonderful Covid vaccine: anti-vaxx resistance, hesitancy and legitimate concerns (she’s so thick she forgot the fourth one: BBC-style total trust in whatever the authorities are saying today as opposed to tomorrow). So there are, according to Marianna, three very clear responses, which she says are also, er, “blurred”. You decide: distinct or blurred? Marianna obviously hasn’t got an effing clue.

I suspect her cozy little BBC bubble world was somewhat shaken to find that vaccines are not cuddly little bunnies but things that (according to the Department of Health, not anti-vaxxers) can cause life-threatening events in people with histories of serious allergic reactions?

She’s only in her mid-twenties so probably hasn’t learnt all the dishonest ways of the BBC yet.

299260 captainbeefheart, replying to captainbeefheart, 4, #1160 of 1162 🔗

Captain’s report WE 13/12/2020

I’ll start with the BAD NEWS and then go on to nicer things…

BAD NEWS: Santa Visit

In October, we had booked tickets to see Santa at NEARBY GARDEN CENTRE for our baby’s first Christmas. I know it’s wrong to brainwash people about something that doesn’t exist (Santa), but I don’t want her to feel left out…

There was a queue, then a gate, then the main attraction (you go up to the “grotto”, you go inside to meet “Santa”, you *get your picture taken* then you go out the back and get your picture printed and set into a variety of souvenirs)

This would usually be a pleasurable experience for a father on his first child’s first Christmas, but as you could imagine, it was like a scene from the revenge of the living dead (starring Keith Richards, masked and still smoking somehow).

I wish I was strong enough to not comply in any way, but I just wore a scarf loosely (I’m quite a big boy, I shouldn’t feel this scared about not wearing a face covering…)

The Mrs wore a mask. Obviously the baby didn’t (and if anyone ever asked her to, I’d have no choice but to cripple them in some way).

In the queue, all parents were masked. Thank god that I didn’t see any of their kids masked – although I have seen this in Tesco recently (3-4 year olds etc – totally sick).

As we approached the gates, we had a mini-row (along the lines of HER: “this is her first xmas, don’t spoil it for her” after ME: “voicing concerns about pictures being taken of us wearing masks/scarfs etc with Santa on our kid’s first xmas”)

So we go through the gate, the masked elf was really friendly and nice, we go in to meet “Santa” (who thank Christ wasn’t masked, but did have a “face covering” in the way of a fake beard – probably just as effective as a 99p mask) and we get our picture taken.

I put on a brave face and pretended for normal, my scarf slipping.

When we go out of the “grotto”, there is the bit where the pictures are printed.

Whilst searching for our pictures, you could see all of the other pictures (in a typical sort of windows explorer image list thing) and it was horrific.

Loads of masked parents with Santa smiling behind a mask with their child/ren.

Couldn’t wait to get the hell out of there.

GOOD NEWS: Things that have cheered me up

Hairdressers

Because I had not had my hair cut for about 5 months and looked like something out of the Jimi Hendrix Experience, it got to the stage where I had to do something.

I passed a local barber in town and noticed that no one was wearing masks (it was like looking through a “looking glass” into the past)

Since the horrific garden centre thing, a friend of mine got hold of some lanyards and gave one to me. I have ditched the scarf and just wear this now.

I went to the hairdresser the other lunch time. I sheepishly stuck my head around the door (no one else was in there) and said “is it OK if I have an unmasked haircut?” (holding my lanyard)

Both of the women hairdressers in there were not wearing masks, and the welcomed me in and asked where I got the lanyard from etc.

It was the best haircut I’ve had for ages. A totally sceptical conversation was had and they even mentioned “the great reset” before I got on to that subject myself.

The Only Pub Open In The Area Pretty Much

I’ve had a lot of “bottomless stew” recently (also available in half-portions)

The Indian Restaurant

Had a great meal with around four “bubbles” the other night

CONCLUSION: THIS IS FUCKED. THE IMMOVABLE OBJECT (HUMANITY) WILL HOPEFULLY DEFEAT THE “UNSTOPPABLE” FORCE (A BUNCH OF C**TS TRYING TO CONTROL EVERYTHING)

299262 ▶▶ karenovirus, replying to captainbeefheart, 1, #1161 of 1162 🔗

Excellent report Captain. Well worth repeating on Sunday.
Unless someone is clearly a zealot (mask outdoors or plastic gloves are giveaways) I find that most are either sceptical or scornful once you let them know your own stance.
Most seem to fear shaming if they express doubts about Covid, lockdown and now the vaccine but are happy to be able to Come Out if given the opportunity.

299263 shorthand, 1, #1162 of 1162 🔗

I want to fight Jason Leitch. We could do it for charity. The winner decides which charity. I’ll choose an animal one.
A Christmas charity TV event. Probably the safest way – for him, if it’s an organised event.
If it’s organised then I’m less likely to sink my perfect teeth into the dentist’s imperfect face after I’ve ran rings round the fat cunt and knocked him senseless. And I could.
There would be a referee to pull me off him as he sprawls lazily on the canvas, his disgusting teeth lying in a bloody spray, and the bully boy voice reduced to a wet gargle. Go on Leitchy, tell me now what I can and can’t do between the 24th and 27th of December. Speak up Jasey, I can’t hear yoooouuuu……

Users

243 users made 1,157 comments today.

LikesUserPostsReplies
428annie19, 1513, 17, 13, 21, 10, 12, 10, 9, 4, 7, 8, 13, 2, 2, 3, 0, 14, 4, 7, 17, 1, 1, 12, 1, 29, 4, 2, 6, 0, 9, 2, 0, 2, 2, 2, 3, 3, 1, 2, 9, 1, 2, 3, 9, 4, 7, 16, 3, 0, 14, 2, 3, 6, 3, 5, 2, 18, 8, 1, 1, 0, 1, 4, 1, 1, 0, 0, 1, 0, 1
240Ben5, 49, 10, 14, 4, 4, 4, 6, 3, 7, 4, 0, 5, 5, 7, 7, 5, 8, 16, 31, 25, 3, 4, 4, 3, 10, 10, 2, 4, 2, 0, 1, 8, 4, 2, 0
216Cecil B529, 49, 0, -2, 1, 1, 3, 15, 8, 2, 6, 36, 42, 15, 6
167Richard O16, 85, 12, 10, 8, 7, 9, 1, 3, 10, 6
152Cheezilla1, 11, 44, 2, 1, 1, 7, 2, 0, 2, 0, 3, 1, 0, 0, 2, 0, 3, 0, 1, 1, 0, 1, 0, 3, 0, 5, 0, 1, 3, 0, 7, 1, 1, 0, 4, 1, 34, 0, 4, 0, 1, 1, 0, 1, 0, 2, 0, 0, 4, 0, 2, 0, 1, 2, 2, 1, 1, 2, 4, 0, 0, 4, 1, 4, 3, 3, 2
148RickH2, 10, 13, 10, 9, 14, 4, 8, 3, 4, 10, 3, 6, 2, 11, 0, 4, 2, 5, 6, 22
142karenovirus3, 2, 10, 8, 10, 1, 6, 12, 1, 0, 11, 1, 4, 1, 4, 4, 1, 4, 39, 1, 3, 15, 1
141calchas8, 11, 5, 0, 2, 1, 3, 2, 0, 7, 31, 0, 1, 28, 20, 1, 14, 8, 3, 5, 0
135kh148513, 4, 24, 4, 30, 3, 4, 3, 24, 9, 6, 11
116wendyk21, 4, 15, 14, 2, 2, 20, 6, 4, 11, 5, 10, 7, 2, 3, 8
113james cook113
107DRW0, 5, 22, 18, 1, 7, 12, 5, 3, 2, 5, 5, 3, 7, 8, 4
103Bart Simpson6, 3, 15, 4, 14, 2, 5, 10, 12, 1, 26, 2, 3
103OKUK42, 5, 2, 3, 0, 6, 4, 1, 6, 2, 0, 0, 26, 2, 8, 9, 0, 5, 1, 7, 5, 4, 0, 0, 1
102Steve Martindale58, 8, 13, 17, 6
96Jo31, 12, 2, 3, 3, 45
93Bruce Reynolds76, 11, 6
86theanalyst1, 12, 16, 10, 5, 42
82Poppy68, 2, 12
82Banjones4, 0, 2, 10, 21, 5, 5, 17, 14, 4
82Two-Six012, 0, 5, 2, 5, 2, 3, 0, 9, 1, 7, 2, 1, 1, 1, 0, 9, 1, 3, 2, 3, 4, 4, 3, 2
73chaos18, 13, 6, 18, 25, 2
69Fingerache Philip.5, 5, 2, 11, 27, 0, 4, 3, 6, 3, 3, 0
66Harry hopkins43, 7, 4, 2, 5, 2, 3
64Cranmer4, 4, 3, 4, 8, 16, 5, 10, 1, 3, 6
60Sarigan3, 10, 43, 4
60Jonathan Palmer7, 6, 4, 3, 4, 2, 0, 27, 2, 5
53mhcp2, 4, 1, 14, 24, 0, 3, 5
52PoshPanic9, 2, 7, 7, 7, 6, 2, 4, 3, 5
51leggy4, 47
51Mabel Cow0, 12, 4, 26, 9
51stefarm7, 12, 7, 10, 15
51Tom Blackburn011, 19, 5, 1, 1, 14
50Barney McGrew213, 25, 6, 4
50John P0, 0, 0, -1, 1, 2, 2, 3, 1, 1, 1, 8, 7, 0, 0, 4, 0, 4, 3, 0, 0, 0, 0, 12, 2
49Mark H6, 43
47Danny38, 7, 2
46Tim Bidie23, 1, 8, 9, 3, 0, 2
44George Mc11, 4, 14, 15
43swedenborg2, 0, 2, 23, 7, 9
40Laurence7, 6, 3, 2, 22
39Judy Watson7, 5, 27
39p020990035, 2, 6, 2, 16, 8
39Fiona Walker2, 1, 2, 4, 0, 30, 0
38James00711, 27
37kenadams37
37steph37
37NorthumbrianNomad23, 14
37Andrew K27, 0, 0, 1, 9
37Mr Dee6, 9, 3, 8, 11
37Steeve24, 2, 0, 8, 2, 1, 0
37Alethea3, 13, 8, 1, 4, 1, 5, 2
37Julian4, 1, 1, 0, 1, 0, 5, 5, 3, 1, 9, 3, 0, 4
36Margaret21, 15
36Nobody20202, 0, 8, 5, 17, 4
33Gill33
33matt22, 6, 0, 1, 4
33Chicot16, 9, 5, 3, 0, 0
33BeBopRockSteady0, 5, 2, 2, 0, 0, 1, 0, 0, 2, 2, 1, 3, 6, 6, 1, 2
32Tking23, 9
32watashi6, 0, 3, 21, 2
31peyrole8, 7, 15, 1
31arfurmo4, 4, 8, 9, 1, 4, 0, 1
30Sam Vimes0, 4, 5, 5, 0, 5, 0, 11
30CGL1, 1, 3, 0, 1, 8, 3, 1, 2, 1, 9, 0, 0
29T. Prince4, 25
29IanE5, 5, 6, 10, 3
29awildgoose5, 8, 0, 4, 2, 6, 3, 0, 0, 1
28GiftWrappedKittyCat5, 9, 14
27Paul14, 13
27Voz 0db7, 1, 5, 0, 12, 2
26LS9926
26Old Normal12, 4, 7, 3
26Awkward Git2, 3, 3, 1, 17
26Leemc233, 4, 4, 1, 6, 6, 2
25DavidC4, 3, 1, 0, 7, 3, 7
25Spikedee16, 4, 2, 4, 3, 6, 0
25Noumenon1, 3, 6, 4, 1, 0, 0, 5, 0, 4, 1
24John P11, 13
24Dan Clarke51, 7, 11
23Wank Crapcock510, 8
23Tenchy0, 6, 1, 1, 6, 5, 1, 3
23Jo Dominich -0, 1, 6, 1, 3, 0, 0, 0, 1, 1, 0, 1, 1, 3, 3, 2
22richmond22
22Allen22, 0
22alw29, 3, 8
21Basileus4, 17
21Mark2, 3, 0, 0, 3, 0, 4, 5, 4
20Zak Thelotofem12, 15, 2
19Kevin 22, 9, 8
19A. Contrarian3, 0, 2, 2, 7, 3, 2
18Apache18
18Hughie78, 3
18HelzBelz2, 0, 6, 10
17anon17
17Ceriain17
17John Ballard17
17Silke David17
17OKUK4, 0, 2, 4, 3, 4
16ajb97b16
16AnotherSceptic16
16Major Panic16
16Peter Thompson16
16TC7, 6, 3
16Stuart6, 3, 0, 3, 4, 0
16Nick Rose7, 2, 5, 1, -1, -1, -1, -1, 0, 0, 0, 2, 3
15Les Tricoteuses15
15PWL2, 13
15Just about sane9, 5, 1
15Arkansas13, 1, 1, 0
15Country Mumkin01, 5, 9
14Alec in France14
14Beowa14
14wayno14, 0
14Old Bill1, 1, 12
14Ovis8, 5, 0, 1
13James Leary #KBF9, 2, 2
13Charlie Blue73, 1, 2
13Dorian_Hawkmoon0, 12, 0, 1
13godowneasy4, 1, 0, 2, 6
13thinkaboutit1, 2, 3, 3, 4
13Be Unshakeable1, 0, 0, 3, 2, 7
12Lainey12
12dhpaul6, 2, 4
12stevie4, 8, 0
12Flying Saucer6, 3, 2, 1
12mjr1, 2, 3, 2, 3, 1
11Angryphon of Tunbridge Wells11
11Eliza P.11
11howard steen11
11Mrs issedoff11
11Marialta2, 9
11NickR5, 6
11kf9934, 4
11Pancho the Grey52, 4
11David Grimbleby4, 1, 0, 1, 5
11Iansn1, 1, 4, 0, 5
11Borisbullshit2, 6, 0, 0, 1, 0, 0, 0, 0, 0, 0, 0, 0, 0, 0, 1, 1
10Evelyn10
10Nessimmersion10
10SweetBabyCheeses10
10Ewan Duffy3, 7
10ianric6, 4, 0
10JanMasarykMunich3, 1, 6
10PatrickF10, 0, 0
10davews4, 2, 1, 3
10Dodderydude5, 1, 1, 2, 1
10PastImperfect0, 0, 5, 1, 4
10TheOriginalBlackPudding2, 3, 0, 1, 1, 3
9Cristi.Neagu9
9Jonny G9
9Saved To Death9
9The Spingler9
9TJS1239
9Victoria9
9William Hand9
9A Heretic7, 2
9AN other lockdown sceptic2, 7
9CGL1, 3, 5
8Lisa (formerly) from Toronto8
8Llamasaurus Rex8
8PaulH8
8StevieH8
8Bella Donna17
8SionnachAirgid2, 5, 1
7Marvin427
7Norman7
7Polemon27
6Jane in France6
6Moomin6
6Ned of the Hills6
6Sue6
6Under The Bridge6
6VickyA6
6bluemoon4, 2, 0, 0
6Nigel Sherratt1, 1, 0, 1, 0, 1, 2
5Alan P5
5Geoff30005
5john5
5Suzyv5
5safetyfirst10114
5Sodastream1, 4
4Binra4
4captainbeefheart4
4Clareq4
4Dame Lynet4
4DocRC4
4dommo4
4Hieronimusb4
4Hugh4
4J Keepin4
4MiriamW-sometimes-AlanG4
4Mutineer4
4PompeyJunglist4
4Smelly Melly4
4jb121, 3
4Rowan2, 2
4Simon Dutton3, 1
4stefarm1, 3
3BTLnewbie3
3Caroline Watson3
3Dr Hugo Z Hackenbush3
3Inlakesh3
3janis pennance3
3John Stone3
3LGDTLK3
3TyRade3
3Will3
3charleyfarley3, 0
3Cheshirecatslave1, 2
3Edward1, 2
3Sophie1232, 1
3Stringfellow Hawke2, 1
3wat tyler0, 0, 3
3Dan L0, 1, 1, 0, 1
2Disbelief2
2Laura Suckling2
2Lydia2
2MaxPower2
2Templeton2
2Bella1, 1
2Biker1, 1
2Steve2, 0
1Bill h1
1calchas1
1Carrie1
1Graham31
1gundagin1
1Janice211
1Salopian’1
1shorthand1
1DomW0, 1
0A leaf0
0ChrisDinBristol0
0D. D. Freund0
0DJ Dod0
0sam0
0stevie1190
0Lili0, 0
0Wolver0, 0
0gina0, 0, 0
-2Chris John-2
-2Mayo-2, 0

Top