2020-12-13

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299264 Cristi.Neagu, replying to Cristi.Neagu, 2, #1 of 1227 🔗

Second.

299265 ▶▶ Lisa (formerly) from Toronto, replying to Cristi.Neagu, 3, #2 of 1227 🔗

I think you’re first.

299266 ▶▶▶ Cristi.Neagu, replying to Lisa (formerly) from Toronto, 3, #3 of 1227 🔗

Shush. Don’t tell anyone.

299333 ▶▶▶▶ annie, replying to Cristi.Neagu, 2, #4 of 1227 🔗

Deuteroneagu.

299593 ▶▶▶▶ DavidC, replying to Cristi.Neagu, 6, #5 of 1227 🔗

I hate these childish ‘I’m first’ postings but yours had me laughing! Excellent!

DavidC

299355 ▶▶ Ovis, replying to Cristi.Neagu, #6 of 1227 🔗

Second the best.

299562 ▶▶ OKUK, replying to Cristi.Neagu, 3, #7 of 1227 🔗

That’s a first: claiming to be second when you’re first!

299966 ▶▶▶ Cristi.Neagu, replying to OKUK, 2, #8 of 1227 🔗

It certainly confused a few people!

299267 Judy Watson, replying to Judy Watson, 2, #9 of 1227 🔗

OH blow third again

299356 ▶▶ Ovis, replying to Judy Watson, 1, #10 of 1227 🔗

Third the one with the hairy chest.

299268 Judy Watson, replying to Judy Watson, 67, #11 of 1227 🔗

Started to read about the possible imposed tier three in London, found it so soul destroying I gave up. I find it difficult to comprehend how a conservative government has so successfully destroyed the economy, health and social cohesion in the UK. I am planning to come back to the UK in April and have been warned to prepare for a culture shock after the freedoms of Thailand.

I am a sceptic – obviously and am not worried about catching the kungflu – only worried that I will persistently break ‘the rules’ masks being one of them. Will refuse to pay any fine.

299291 ▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Judy Watson, 12, #12 of 1227 🔗

The whole legality of the fines has yet to be tested in Court. So far as I am aware nobody has yet been prosecuted under Covid regulations.
In this tier 2 area apart from the roads and streets being quieter than might be expected in the run up to Xmas and no organised social life the culture shock should not be too bad.

299299 ▶▶ Fingerache Philip., replying to Judy Watson, 7, #13 of 1227 🔗

Join our ever increasing club.

299408 ▶▶ Simon Dutton, replying to Judy Watson, 28, #14 of 1227 🔗

The answer to your conundrum is really quite simple. This is not a conservative government.

The policies of Clement Atlee were further to the right than those of that oily little creep Cameron; the authoritarian May built on that; and this Johnson creature has dealt the coup de grâce.

I used to think no prime minister could be as bad as Gordon Brown. How wrong I was.

299506 ▶▶▶ Borisbullshit, replying to Simon Dutton, 21, #15 of 1227 🔗

Gordon brown did do us one favour by keeping us out of the Euro when he was Chancellor. I agree he was a terrible Prime Minister but lets be honest they all are really aren’t they.

299410 ▶▶ Two-Six, replying to Judy Watson, 53, #16 of 1227 🔗

Don’t come back, it’s fucking horrible in the UK. A total Psy-Tocracy. The public have reached another level, I am not sure where they are exactly. 80% of people have been driven totally insane by the most vicious propaganda I have every experienced.

You are in for a shock. I would say, don’t expose yourself to life in the UK unless you really really have to.

You will be shocked, upset, more upset, and appalled at how far the UK has fallen. It’s totally fucked.

299514 ▶▶▶ Borisbullshit, replying to Two-Six, 32, #17 of 1227 🔗

I have to agree with all that two-six…the question I keep asking though is why was I not taken in by the fear and propaganda? I knew it was horseshit from day one as people who know me would verify. I told the TV to fuck off repeatedly as Johnson delivered his sinister speech on March 23rd.

Do I possess special powers or something?

299566 ▶▶▶▶ Two-Six, replying to Borisbullshit, 21, #18 of 1227 🔗

I know, its the craziest thing I have ever experienced. I knew from January that there was a massive viro scam coming and the great reset. I knew all about it. I tried to persuade everybody including my own family that it was all bollocks. I got kicked in the balls over and over again fro trying to help them see how we were being scammed.

I never never believed a thing that governments say or what we are told in MSM. Not since about 1984. I have been tuned into government bollocks and propaganda since then.

That is why I am immune to the mind virus.

299630 ▶▶▶▶▶ MutzNutz, replying to Two-Six, -18, #19 of 1227 🔗

Perhaps you should work out some way of monetising this unique insight you claim to have had for nearly 4 decades? Perhaps become a mini-me Icke?

299690 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Bugle, replying to MutzNutz, 4, #20 of 1227 🔗

Snide.

299850 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Two-Six, replying to MutzNutz, 8, #21 of 1227 🔗

fuck off

299569 ▶▶▶▶ HelenaHancart, replying to Borisbullshit, 18, #22 of 1227 🔗

I have to physically restrain myself from kicking the tv if Johnson or any of his fellow inmates ever appear on it…and I don’t even watch mainstream tv! The big question is though, how have we escaped the big spell they put everyone else under?

299658 ▶▶▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to HelenaHancart, 9, #23 of 1227 🔗

The scales had already fallen from your eyes before this latest psycho attack began.

After seeing the tank on the runway all those years ago, I never swallowed the news whole again.

Must admit though, I did fall for the virus scam for about the first three weeks. Blush!

300425 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ sam, replying to Cheezilla, 2, #24 of 1227 🔗

i did too was afraid to touch street light crossing button at first , however as soon as reports about a dangerous virus and school

and shop closing the next week happend[ back in march] i was all for continuing as normal its just a cold , even if I still ddint touch street light button at first

299937 ▶▶▶▶▶ Borisbullshit, replying to HelenaHancart, 9, #25 of 1227 🔗

Its a question I repeatedly ask myself. I dont think its anything to do with intelligence…if anything the more intelligent people are often the worst for this. So called uneducated people are often the first to smell a rat….I think thats because their feet are more on the ground and they have more common sense. i am an academic myself but find others of the same ilk have lost it on this.

299772 ▶▶▶▶ David Grimbleby, replying to Borisbullshit, 6, #26 of 1227 🔗

It was all the mass graves and the Chinese dying in the street, sent the fear porn soaring..

299891 ▶▶▶▶ richard riewer, replying to Borisbullshit, 5, #27 of 1227 🔗

Yep. You possess a top of the line Bullshit Meter.

300159 ▶▶▶▶ annie, replying to Borisbullshit, 4, #28 of 1227 🔗

I never believed in it from the very first.What is it about peoole like us? I always wonder.

299719 ▶▶▶ Rick, replying to Two-Six, 13, #29 of 1227 🔗

Agree, returned from Sweden last week (extensive trip) it’s like the zombie apocalypse. More muzzles in the street driving cars on their own. Shit scared and brain dead.

299433 ▶▶ Catherine Young, replying to Judy Watson, 37, #30 of 1227 🔗

I haven’t worn a mask at any time throughout this period of lunacy. Most shops don’t challenge and the few who have asked if I have a mask just give up when I say I’m exempt. I was shopping in York yesterday, it was very busy and our restaurant waitress told us there’d been several people who said they were visiting from ‘down south.’ No-one bothered about social distancing in the streets or inside shops. A crowd of about 200 people stood together and watched a street band in Sampson Square. I went into shops where everyone ahead of me ignored the hand sanitizer (as I do.) I’m more convinced than ever that although lots of people say we should follow the rules, most folk just act normally and ignore distancing etc.

299663 ▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Catherine Young, 1, #31 of 1227 🔗

York is obviously in tier 2.
“Down South” = Doncaster and Wakefield?

299691 ▶▶▶▶ Catherine Young, replying to Cheezilla, 14, #32 of 1227 🔗

(London.) Tier 2 still means hands/face/space nonsense. Most people wore masks in shops (sadly), but hand sanitizer and social distancing wasn’t happening. My daughter lives in Leeds (tier 3) and she’s visiting us for a few days so came shopping in York. She tells me all her friends and acquaintances just nip over to York or other tier 2 places to socialise and shop, which demonstrates the idiocy of restrictions. My 3 daughters, all in their 20s comply with masks but in all else, they just carry on as normally as they can, mixing with mates, crashing out at each others houses, going to parties etc, as all their circle of friends do. I have friends with a takeaway business in Thirsk. They often get customers from various parts of the England and Scotland who are taking a short break in North Yorkshire.

299924 ▶▶▶▶▶ The Mask Exempt Covid Marshall, replying to Catherine Young, 7, #33 of 1227 🔗

York certainly seems to be a rallying point at the moment! For the past two Saturdays I have visited the pubs of the city for liberal volumes of ale and ‘substantial meals’.

299991 ▶▶▶▶▶ Snake Oil Pussy, replying to Catherine Young, 3, #34 of 1227 🔗

Tier 1 still means hands/face/space nonsense.

299503 ▶▶ Borisbullshit, replying to Judy Watson, 9, #35 of 1227 🔗

Conservative governments are very good at destroying the economy…they have plenty of form. Good old John Major took a break from shagging Egwina Currie and had a good go 1990 to 1992 and was only rescued by the markets on Black Wednesday.

299996 ▶▶ James007, replying to Judy Watson, 7, #36 of 1227 🔗

I am very sorry to say the UK is quite changed. You are right to have been warned. For me it is dismal dreary place, driven by anxiety and control. I hope this changes.
I want to emmigrate, but can’t for family reasons. Not because I think there is an ideal place, but if the things you liked about a country are gone, you might as well live somewhere with a bit more going for it.

299998 ▶▶▶ The Mask Exempt Covid Marshall, replying to James007, 7, #37 of 1227 🔗

It’s so depressing to talk this way about a country which, until recently, I still felt had quite a lot going for it, but it certainly has changed for the worse.

Face masks and little Hitlers everywhere. Not the country I want. I’d move to Sweden, but there’s always the risk that they slide into locking people up too.

300297 ▶▶▶▶ Jane, replying to The Mask Exempt Covid Marshall, 2, #38 of 1227 🔗

I could move to Germany legally but wonder whether I wouldn’t soon be in trouble with the authorities there. Seems like the only safe havens are very out of the way in climes that are either very cold or very hot. Too extreme. So, what to do? At least in theUK I think you have a prettier countryside and houses than we have here in the uglified USA.

300429 ▶▶▶▶▶ sam, replying to Jane, 1, #39 of 1227 🔗

ah another u .s.a. sceptic anyone know can you say you’re exempt her e in the u sa and not have to wear a mask? i almost got thrown out of a grocery store last week for my scarf being too thin would have argued but there is a big sign out front no mask no entry, the guy was very authoritarian too and i had food in my cart i really wanted . no back bone i know

299269 Cristi.Neagu, replying to Cristi.Neagu, 80, #40 of 1227 🔗

That bit about Drosten is mind blowing. What are the odds that at a time when testing isn’t really needed, a fake doctor publishes a flawed paper at a journal that doesn’t peer review it but instead publishes it as fast as possible, for it to be immediately picked up and used universally to produce the biggest fraud in history? That sounds a tiny bit incredible, doesn’t it?

On the other hand, what are the odds that organizations seeking to fabricate the biggest fraud in history would locate a semi-respectable doctor with skeletons in the closet, and force him to publish a paper that is key to their plan? Not quite as big of a stretch, is it?

Blackmail makes the world go around, i tell you. Why do you think Epstein was suicided, and what do you think was the actual purpose of his island?

299310 ▶▶ FatBastardMcKenzie, replying to Cristi.Neagu, 13, #41 of 1227 🔗

Cristi, read “Not Even Trying” by Bruce Charlton—“science” hasn’t been real science for quite some time.

299327 ▶▶ malasdair, replying to Cristi.Neagu, 10, #42 of 1227 🔗

Yes, he is a criminal of preposterous proportions. Yet we all know how this will end – he will somehow be protected from prosecution. I would say I hope he rots in hell but sadly I don’t think there is a hell.

299332 ▶▶▶ annie, replying to malasdair, 10, #43 of 1227 🔗

Don’t worry, it exists all right.

299432 ▶▶▶▶ PastImperfect, replying to annie, 5, #44 of 1227 🔗

I was going to say, “Here. Here.”

299665 ▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to malasdair, 5, #45 of 1227 🔗

Why this is hell, nor are we out of it.

299835 ▶▶▶▶ Kate, replying to Cheezilla, 1, #46 of 1227 🔗

marlowe

300162 ▶▶▶▶▶ annie, replying to Kate, 2, #47 of 1227 🔗

Mephistopheles.
You create your own hell and carry it about with you.

299947 ▶▶▶ Rowan, replying to malasdair, 8, #48 of 1227 🔗

Hell is the UK on a dark wet Sunday afternoon in tier 3. Hell hath no fury like a drinker scorned.

300451 ▶▶▶▶ stevie119, replying to Rowan, 1, #49 of 1227 🔗

I havejust had a “substantial meal” and 7 pints – if that`s any help.

299359 ▶▶ Ovis, replying to Cristi.Neagu, 35, #50 of 1227 🔗

I think the Johnson smirk sums up the whole situation. These people have realised that they can do whatever they want. They move in lock step, responsibility is too widely diffused for there ever to be any accountability. Look at the USA: a presidential election is won through blatant fraud, the result stands. They can do whatever they want and they know it. The blatantness is almost part of the point. It puts us in our place.

299673 ▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Ovis, 8, #51 of 1227 🔗

Yes. They’re so pleased with themselves it’s a wonder they manage to contain it as a mere smirk.

300010 ▶▶▶▶ Ovis, replying to Cheezilla, 3, #52 of 1227 🔗

Hancock can’t.

300363 ▶▶▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Ovis, 3, #53 of 1227 🔗

True. He’s progressed to evil chuckling.

299848 ▶▶ Flying Saucer, replying to Cristi.Neagu, 5, #54 of 1227 🔗

The Deep State can do anything they want these days. Most people are already under total mind-control. My suggestion: turn off the TV! I haven’t watched mainstream for years now

300144 ▶▶ Ben, replying to Cristi.Neagu, 2, #55 of 1227 🔗

I wonder if most of the world’s politicians are being blackmailed or bribed to impose restrictions. Belarus was offered loans to impose restrictions

300446 ▶▶ cubby, replying to Cristi.Neagu, 1, #56 of 1227 🔗

Sorry I’m late with this reply but I find it depressing reading about all this shit and took today off.
I have been convinced for some time that we have to attack the PCR test. It’s being used wrongly on asymptomatic people and very possibly ALL positive tests on such people are are false.
Drosten isn’t just any fake doctor. He’s a research scientist who identified the Sars virus in 2003. He was also one of the main reasons Merkel bought 60 million doses of vaccine for the swine flu outbreak in 2009 which ended up being destroyed (costing €40 million) because the German people didn’t want it. I believe only about 40,000 people ended up being vaccinated.
I don’t think anyone in Big Pharma would know about his fake doctorate, I suspect he has close ties to Big Pharma so I don’t think he’s being blackmailed. It’s worse.
He is very close to the Merkel government. Conspiracy theorists are very suspicious of his being present at a conference for CDU big-wigs at the end of last year.
His possibly fake doctorate has been known of for a number of weeks now. The university where he studied has been doing cartwheels to exonerate him and themselves – apparently a copy of his missing dissertation “turned up” some time after the accusation. This was allegedly a poorly written and obviously false paper.
A bit like our own professor Fergusson of ICL he seems to be a bit of a teflon man. Nothing sticks to him, he’s still a professor in Berlin.
It’s not what he has done in the distant past which bothers me about him, it’s the fact that he adapted the PCR test and was instrumental in getting it marketed worldwide in its millions and now must know that it is being used wrongly (on asymptomatic people) and giving false positives.
The only explanation for this is he’s deliberately boosting the testdemic hysteria because otherwise a word from him into Merkel’s ear and it’s all GONE.
It will be interesting to find out how tight his connections to Tib-Molbiol and other companies are

299270 Cristi.Neagu, replying to Cristi.Neagu, 9, #57 of 1227 🔗

About “Coca-Cola Tests Positive for Coronavirus”…

I have no doubt that the test did actually fail and give a false positive. But if you’re going to do an experiment, do it properly. Use a clean glass, an unopened bottle of Coke, wear a mask, so that no one can complain about anything.

People can just say: “What if he was drinking from that glass and he has covid?” Or: “What if droplets from him speaking ended up in the glass and he has covid?” Sure, those are all nonsense, but can you convince the people saying those things? Cause i can’t.

299316 ▶▶ Ewan Duffy, replying to Cristi.Neagu, 13, #58 of 1227 🔗

Given that the labs testing for COVID aren’t operating to best practices, why should he?

299368 ▶▶ RyanM, replying to Cristi.Neagu, 7, #59 of 1227 🔗

I’m more impressed that he had the balls to do that. If it had come up negative, his speech might not have gone off so well. Clearly, he was confident that it would be positive.

299465 ▶▶ gundagin, replying to Cristi.Neagu, 1, #60 of 1227 🔗

It isn’t just that…..all sugary drinks will mess with the reagents so the false positive is an invalid result, it is merely useful for its sensationalist content – nothing more.

299515 ▶▶ Mark, replying to Cristi.Neagu, 4, #61 of 1227 🔗

It was just a piece of theatre, and quite an effective one.

Nothing wrong with that – there’s a place for theatre in politics – let’s face it much of the mainstream elite political case is exactly that. But there’s not much point criticising it over details of unscientific procedure. The point has been made when the footage was watched. The rest is irrelevant.

299853 ▶▶▶ Bella, replying to Mark, 1, #62 of 1227 🔗

Politics is theatre for ugly people.

299271 Stuart, replying to Stuart, 9, #63 of 1227 🔗

Thanks for the Caumes-Drosten photos, so redolent of the medical scumbaggery we have come to know and love.

The test, trace and jab lumpencovidariat can have every confidence of their being ushered out of existence by these and similar home-grown monkeys, tout suite.

299421 ▶▶ Simon Dutton, replying to Stuart, 2, #64 of 1227 🔗

Ushered out … to music.

https://youtu.be/qYI-dC9G0us

299682 ▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Simon Dutton, #65 of 1227 🔗

That’s brill!

299272 karenovirus, replying to karenovirus, 55, #66 of 1227 🔗

From the roundup
After questioning the official Covid narrative Jean-Bernard Foutillan was taken from his home, 10th December, by law enforcement officers and placed in solitary confinement in (a) psychiatric hospital.

A favourite technique of the former Soviet Union for dealing with dissidents who were too well known in the west to be bumped off.
A practice for which they were rightly criticised, not least by France.

299456 ▶▶ Bugle, replying to karenovirus, 13, #67 of 1227 🔗

This is where we now are. Scratch a liberal, find a fascist.

299905 ▶▶▶ richard riewer, replying to Bugle, 5, #68 of 1227 🔗

Today’s Liberals are not Classical Liberals. They just borrowed the title to hide their real intentions.

299894 ▶▶ Ben, replying to karenovirus, 5, #69 of 1227 🔗

The French should be shouting from the rooftops about this.

Free Jean-Bernard Foutillan!

300303 ▶▶ Jane, replying to karenovirus, 3, #70 of 1227 🔗

Very disturbing report.

299273 DSquared, replying to DSquared, 20, #71 of 1227 🔗

Excellent work exposing the issues of the PCR test that may have been apparent from the start. I do have one concern. The sources you mentioned are GlobalResearch and LifeSite News. Many people will see publications by that source and will dismiss it as right-wing crazy conspiracy theories. I think one of the problems with lockdown skepticism is that it’s been seen as a right-wing, and I know the site’s publisher leans right, but it has also published bang-on critiques of lockdowns from the left end of the political spectrum. Do you know if the information brought forward by GlobalResearch and LifeSite News has been uncovered by any sources that can’t be so easily dismissed as being conspiracy sites?

299279 ▶▶ Amtrup, replying to DSquared, 6, #72 of 1227 🔗

Agreed; I discovered earlier this year that linking to articles on the Global Research site elicited dismissive reactions. In this case the article about Drosten is by William Engdahl and could have been linked to directly at his excellent and interesting blog http://www.williamengdahl.com/englishNEO10Dec2020.php

299324 ▶▶ Basileus, replying to DSquared, 5, #73 of 1227 🔗

Here is the man paper (over 100 pages).

https://cormandrostenreview.com/report/

299426 ▶▶▶ BTLnewbie, replying to Basileus, 6, #74 of 1227 🔗

Thanks for this – I agree that linking to Global Research wpuld only damage my credibility with my Professor brother. I also de-link from the LS site anything I send him, and link only from the mother-lode (sorry, Toby!).

The paper is (as expected) highly technical to a non-scientist like me but it’s only 32 pages of report – the rest is references and BTL comments.

If you let your eyes glide over the graphs and formulae, the words sections are very clear (and damning).

299528 ▶▶ Borisbullshit, replying to DSquared, 15, #75 of 1227 🔗

As a former lefty I actually think the left wing case against the lockdown is the strongest one there is ie that lockdowns decimate the lives of poorer citizens both here and around the world. I am forever puzzled that so few lefties make that case and instead are lockdown addicts. I applaud all the lefties on this site for breaking with their allies on this issue…..I wish there were more.

300146 ▶▶▶ DSquared, replying to Borisbullshit, 1, #76 of 1227 🔗

Not to continue the drift even further but there is another important aspect that has been missed. Once lockdowns come into effect, police enforcement for non-compliance is on the table. The issue of police discrimination against and mistreatment of certain segments of the population entered the spotlight in a big way this year. Are the police all of a sudden going to not enforce lockdown in a similarly discriminatory and arbitrary way? That the left missed this connection is mind-boggling, since traditionally it was the left that pointed out such police discrimination.

300315 ▶▶▶ Jane, replying to Borisbullshit, 1, #77 of 1227 🔗

“I am forever puzzled that so few lefties make that case and instead are lockdown addicts.”

Yes, they are the MOST sure that they are right and no evidence to the contrary h as any merit. I think it is this outsize conviction of being right that stems from the leftist’s know-it-all attitude. This is also what links leftistst to academics. It is as though these people, most of them well educated, have never outgrown the “enlightenment” they achieved as students when they suddenly felt they understood the world for the first time! And better than anyone else. They are still in that late-adolescent haze of knowing better than their elders. Only now they know better than everyone.

You know the old joke: “Hire an adolescent while they still know everything.”

But as stated these grown-up adolescents haven’t outgrown their young hubris, sense of superiority, and conviction that they know better. The idea that they have been snagged hook line and sinker is so foreign, and abhorrent, to them that they will never climb down, no matter what evidence they are presented with. The ony hope is that in the still of the night something leads them to question their positions which they hold to be so obvious as to no-brainers (such as the efficacy of mask wearing, dangers of the virus to the general population, importance of and eagerness to get a jab, etc.).

299637 ▶▶ MutzNutz, replying to DSquared, 1, #78 of 1227 🔗

It’s true that Mr Young has put up a few sceptic pieces from some who lean more left but they are sadly very few & far between.

299274 Cecil B, replying to Cecil B, 64, #79 of 1227 🔗

Breaking news

Welsh Government announce post Christmas lockdown

A spokesperson said

‘ We are experiencing unprecedented rises in cases. We will honour our commitment to the Christmas break but it is anticipated that this will lead to a further rise in cases in the new year

Therefore in order to protect the public we will introduce new protective measures from the 1st January

From 1st of January all stairs, staircases, including spiral staircases must be removed from residential properties within a period of 14 days

Our research suggests that people are using staircases to move between floors within residential properties causing the virus to spread

Grants will be available to carry out this work. Those on benefits will pay nothing

This measure will be funded by a 300% poll tax levy on bungalow owners. Selfish bungalow owners are causing the rise in infections and it is only fair that they should be asked to contribute

A full list of the new restrictions will be published at 11pm on 31st December

A plan to remove all windows and doors from residential properties in order to allow in fresh air is still under discussion

Nothing can been ruled in or out at this stage

Thank you and stay safe’

299276 ▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Cecil B, 5, #80 of 1227 🔗

They knew about this in the olden days Cecil which is why the TB Isolation Hospitals were built ground floor only as staircases were recognised as dangerous vectors of infection.
Pity those who designed the Nightingales forgot this.

299301 ▶▶▶ annie, replying to karenovirus, 23, #81 of 1227 🔗

Hope you didn’t fall for it, Karenovirus! After long experience, I am pretty sure that Cecil B. is not Dungford’s press release officer.
However, the fact that Cecil’s carefully crafted nonsense sounds so plausible says everything about the clown show that is the Welsh ‘government’.
After you, Cecil!

299307 ▶▶▶▶ karenovirus, replying to annie, #82 of 1227 🔗

😉

299385 ▶▶▶▶ Cecil B, replying to annie, 2, #83 of 1227 🔗

No, please, after you

299748 ▶▶▶▶▶ annie, replying to Cecil B, #84 of 1227 🔗

Claude.
The alias of my pseudonym.

299761 ▶▶▶▶ Edward, replying to annie, #85 of 1227 🔗

And Biker isn’t Queen Elizabeth II, though it’s entertaining to imagine that he might be. 🙂

299290 ▶▶ Cristi.Neagu, replying to Cecil B, 12, #86 of 1227 🔗

From 1st of January all stairs, staircases, including spiral staircases must be removed from residential properties within a period of 14 days

Not gonna lie. With all the crazy stuff coming out of government these days, that sounded very plausible to me. It’s a joke, though, right? Right…?

299294 ▶▶ Judy Watson, replying to Cecil B, 5, #87 of 1227 🔗

Love it.!!!

299317 ▶▶ thinkaboutit, replying to Cecil B, 18, #88 of 1227 🔗

Cecil B, put all of these press releases together in a book called ” Thoughts of Chairman Drakeford”. You could even make the book little and red.

299329 ▶▶▶ annie, replying to thinkaboutit, 4, #89 of 1227 🔗

Certainly very little. Everything about Dungford is little, except his ego and his sadism.

299475 ▶▶▶ Melangell, replying to thinkaboutit, 1, #90 of 1227 🔗

Yes please please do!!!

299581 ▶▶▶ Simon Dutton, replying to thinkaboutit, #91 of 1227 🔗

I fear such a volume would be little read.

299423 ▶▶ Two-Six, replying to Cecil B, 1, #92 of 1227 🔗

What kind of a freak has a spiral staircase in a bungalow????

299459 ▶▶▶ Spikedee1, replying to Two-Six, 2, #93 of 1227 🔗

It’s either a stairway to heaven or the road to nowhere.

299521 ▶▶▶▶ annie, replying to Spikedee1, #94 of 1227 🔗

If Dungford lives in a bungalow, it’s the road to nowhere.,It’s the only place he knows.

299700 ▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Two-Six, 1, #95 of 1227 🔗

Someone who didn’t have space for a proper flight of stairs when they did the loft conversion!

299744 ▶▶ Ben, replying to Cecil B, 1, #96 of 1227 🔗

‘We are experiencing an unprecedented rise in asymptomatic cases in healthy people’

Clarification is long overdue

299908 ▶▶ richard riewer, replying to Cecil B, #97 of 1227 🔗

Joke? No?

299275 karenovirus, replying to karenovirus, 4, #98 of 1227 🔗

Yesterday reader Cristi.Neagu referenced the book The Camp Of The Saints by John Raspail.
That rang some bells until I finally remembered A State Of Denmark by Derek Raymond also from 1970 but set in a dystopian England that has sleepwalked into dictatorship with N. Ireland, Scotland and Wales having gone their own way . . .

This is part of fairly recent Guardian review which I expected to be completely hostile as my Socialist then GF condemned it as ‘racist’.

299286 ▶▶ Cristi.Neagu, replying to karenovirus, 1, #99 of 1227 🔗

Awesome find. Glad to have jarred your memory.

299390 ▶▶ Arkansas, replying to karenovirus, 1, #100 of 1227 🔗

Loosely related, ‘1990’ starting Edward Woodward, ran for two seasons in the late 1970s.

https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0075469/

299705 ▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Arkansas, 1, #101 of 1227 🔗

Wow, prescient. They were just 30 years out!

In a dystopian future, Britain is under the grip of the Home Office’s Public Control Department (PCD), a tyrannically oppressive bureaucracy riding roughshod over the population’s civil liberties.

299281 SilentP, replying to SilentP, 7, #103 of 1227 🔗

We will shortly be receiving the early leaks of what will be put forward on 16th December.

Both bases have been covered so far with a lot of groundwork put in to justify further restrictions before Christmas or soon after if we dare to try and enjoy ourselves by brazenly sharing the serving spoons with our grannies.

Any predictions?

299289 ▶▶ karenovirus, replying to SilentP, 3, #104 of 1227 🔗

Local Live (mirror group news) suggesting this area might be going into tier 1 despite their own daily misleading headlines suggesting cases/deaths going up when in fact they are going down.

299429 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to SilentP, 3, #105 of 1227 🔗

Even single Administration in the UK has been softening the crows up for more restrictions. Blaming the people for non compliance even before the fact now. Open up, but don’t dare do anything.

300068 ▶▶ EllGee, replying to SilentP, 1, #106 of 1227 🔗

On the increased testing list that came out (116 areas) not one was Nottinghamshire and we’re in Tier 3. As Notts was the lowest figure Tier 3 is this the sign of Tier 2?

299284 karenovirus, replying to karenovirus, 19, #107 of 1227 🔗

“Like many recent scientific results that did not at all please the prejudice of the establishment… he thought all he had to do was to show that (he) was right and everybody would listen.

“That was his first mistake. The mistake about being naive about peoples motives, a mistake scientists make all the time”.

A commentary about Mike Yeadon ?
No, J Bronowski on Galileo, The Ascent Of Man. 1973.

299298 ▶▶ TJN, replying to karenovirus, 2, #108 of 1227 🔗

Good quote. I need to re-read that book. I’ll always recall the quote about absolute knowledge and what it does.

299300 ▶▶ Will, replying to karenovirus, 15, #109 of 1227 🔗

Or Sunetra Gupta… we have reached endemic equilibrium exactly as she said we would. The government and the corrupt sage are using tiers and lockdowns to try and claim credit for nature.

299305 ▶▶ annie, replying to karenovirus, 7, #110 of 1227 🔗

Reminds me of a children’s story by Patrick Moore. Naive scientists are delighted that their governments are funding colonies on the Moon, only to find that the real intention is to test nuclear weapons there.

Fred Hoyle’s SF novels also give a good picture of how science interacts with government. They are a good read, too.

299430 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to karenovirus, 2, #111 of 1227 🔗

Fantastic book.

299292 SilentP, replying to SilentP, 15, #112 of 1227 🔗

Remember that Strongbow TV ad with the lovely feel good atmosphere – the pub duo singing Electric Dreams?

Saw it broadcast last night with the bottom third of the screen replaced by a black banner saying it was filmed pre Covid-19.

Thanks Strongbow, really worthwhile you letting us know.

299296 ▶▶ karenovirus, replying to SilentP, 11, #113 of 1227 🔗

So pleased I don’t watch telly.

299438 ▶▶ Two-Six, replying to SilentP, 8, #114 of 1227 🔗

Most stronbow drinkers will now be sitting at home getting smashed on it, like they have been every day since April, on their own. Hitting new heights of alcoholism that would make the governments alcohol daily unit intake look like guidance on how much to drink for breakfast.

This is if they can still afford Stronbow, most of them will have gone onto the “cider” you get in blue bottles, £1.99 for a 3 litre of an 8% “cleaning cider”.

Soon a lot of Strongbow drinkers will be dead from liver collapse.

Stay safe.

299819 ▶▶▶ Graham, replying to Two-Six, 2, #115 of 1227 🔗

I was in the supermarket yesterday and the man ahead of me was buying three enormous bottles of Strongbow, and nothing else. The thing is, he was lean, fit looking and quite well dressed. I’m suffering from cognitive dissonance about this.

299538 ▶▶ Borisbullshit, replying to SilentP, 9, #116 of 1227 🔗

Yes I saw that patronising shit as well…another customer lost. ‘Socialise responsibly’ it said……fuck off Strongbow…go and drown in one of your Vats of Cider and don’t tell me how to socialise.

299629 ▶▶ Chicot, replying to SilentP, 3, #117 of 1227 🔗

I’m not sure which type of advertisement annoys me more – the ones where everyone wears face nappys or the ones where they don’t but they have some stupid message about how it was filmed before social distancing.

299949 ▶▶▶ Borisbullshit, replying to Chicot, #118 of 1227 🔗

Very good point.

299821 ▶▶ Ben, replying to SilentP, 1, #119 of 1227 🔗

I don’t have a television. F**k off Strongbow

299293 Laurence, replying to Laurence, 77, #120 of 1227 🔗

How ridiculous that the government are thinking of putting London into Tier 3 – it is quite clear from the graphs of death per day that we have achieved group immunity (oh I forgot that doesn’t exist because you can only get immunity from a vaccine !).

When is this ridiculous shambles going to end ?

I was with people yesterday (yes, fewer than 6 of us in an open space – Kenwood to be precise, so that was legal) and people were seriously suggesting ‘letting’ people meet up for Christmas was a bad idea, and that our ridiculous secondary school head-teacher has done a good thing by stopping the kids going to school next week and having ‘home learning’

I am disgusted by the illogicality, innumeracy and blatant lies of the government, and that normally sensible people swallow this garbage without thinking.

Orwell was pretty close, but you need to go to Lewis Carrol to really get it.

By the way, one of the people came up to me furtively at the end and said I was 100% right, so it’s not completely hopeless.

299302 ▶▶ Will, replying to Laurence, 9, #121 of 1227 🔗

Did you see the article in the Telegraph about the nosocomial transmission in the isle of Sheppy prisons, Laurence? London’s herd immunity will dissipate the small spike and the arseholes will claim it was tier three that did it.

299306 ▶▶▶ Laurence, replying to Will, 10, #122 of 1227 🔗

No doubt they’ll fabricate some way to claim credit for getting rid of the virus – that or the virtually irrelevant vaccine !

299364 ▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Laurence, 4, #123 of 1227 🔗

Kenwood House was the only place, apart from Scratchwood Services, to get a Sunday morning breakfast after a punk rock allnighter at The Rainbow, Finsbury Park.

Can’t see that coming back anytime soon.

299386 ▶▶▶ alw, replying to karenovirus, 4, #124 of 1227 🔗

Kenwood one of the places you will see Matt Hancock walking at the weekend. We have seen him there.

299393 ▶▶▶▶ karenovirus, replying to alw, 5, #125 of 1227 🔗

How very distressing for you 🙊 🙉 🙈

299721 ▶▶▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to karenovirus, #126 of 1227 🔗

Or tempting?

299466 ▶▶▶▶ dommo, replying to alw, 4, #127 of 1227 🔗

and you let him get away?

300207 ▶▶▶▶▶ Waldorf, replying to dommo, 1, #128 of 1227 🔗

You should have cracked open his skull and feasted on the goo inside. Before the rest of us have to.

299517 ▶▶▶▶ annie, replying to alw, #129 of 1227 🔗

Oh God, you just blotted my happy memories.

299588 ▶▶▶▶▶ alw, replying to annie, 1, #130 of 1227 🔗

Happy memories when we could go on a Saturday evening to Kenwood and listen to the concerts. However the locals do not like the noise and traffic so the concerts are no longer. Other than taking a long walk to see the rhododendrons and azaleas in bloom there is no reason to visit Kenwood any longer.

300160 ▶▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to alw, 1, #131 of 1227 🔗

AAAAARRRRGGGGHHHHHH!!!

299477 ▶▶▶ Spikedee1, replying to karenovirus, 3, #132 of 1227 🔗

Aaaaah the Rainbow. What a venue, saw Slade there, saw Queen, deep purple (could not hear properly for a week). A very young Suzi Q, in that one piece leather suit, you could not walk far without tripping over someone’s tongue. No barriers of course just the slanted front of stage and nobody sitting in their assigned seat. I think it’s a mosque now!

300496 ▶▶▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Spikedee1, #133 of 1227 🔗

I saw Chuck Berry there the night before my Economics ‘0’ level. Only a 30 minute set but one of the best concerts I ever attended.

299516 ▶▶▶ annie, replying to karenovirus, 5, #134 of 1227 🔗

Many years ago, Kenwood House was our standard Sunday outing. We were students, we were broke, and Kenwood was free, but it was also delightful. Many happy memories.

300319 ▶▶▶▶ Jane, replying to annie, 1, #135 of 1227 🔗

Do people still toss Frisbees on the lawn?

I know I am dating myself horribly.

300497 ▶▶▶▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Jane, #136 of 1227 🔗

Hancock probably tosses himself.

299392 ▶▶ alw, replying to Laurence, 15, #137 of 1227 🔗

Seen elsewhere,

Continued leaks to the MSM by government is to try to to soften us up for London being in Stage 3. There is zilch evidence for this. The areas where they say there are problems are for the most part on the edge of London and there is more testing in these areas. Testing does not stop the virus which is now endemic. Testing is the problem. What about all the pubs, restaurants and hospitality venues which have bought in stock which does not keep, they are not the problem. Does he want to bankrupt them and the £1000 pound handout which we the taxpayer have to pay for is not the solution. Hancock worked for the Bank of England but appears to have no understanding of money and how it works. Why put London into tier 3 when for a few days later the Christmas regulations come into force? Then there is New Year and nobody is going to abide by any regulations worldwide. The whole charade is falling apart. Any MP who on Tuesday votes to put London into Tier 3 and continue any regulations for the rest of the country will not be elected again.”



299451 ▶▶ arfurmo, replying to Laurence, 9, #138 of 1227 🔗

I am torn over the London in tier 3 issue. I’m in tier 3 miles away from the so called hotspot. London has higher rates . I regard it as political that London and Liverpool were put in tier 2. If all of London went into tier 3 then I believe the outcry would get something done about the tier system . On the other hand I don’t beleive in the tier system

299295 Laurence, 5, #139 of 1227 🔗

I read with disgust what you say above about Drosten.

But to call him Germany’s ‘Dr Fauci’ is too gross an insult even for one such as he !

299297 karenovirus, replying to karenovirus, #140 of 1227 🔗

From the roundup.
Link about sales of scotch eggs going up tenfold seems broken

:about#blank from my Android.

299304 ▶▶ annie, replying to karenovirus, 6, #141 of 1227 🔗

Such a pity, parts of it were excellent.

299309 ▶▶▶ karenovirus, replying to annie, 1, #142 of 1227 🔗

Oh do tell Annie !

299325 ▶▶▶▶ annie, replying to karenovirus, 2, #143 of 1227 🔗

It’s what the Curate in Punch actually said about the tainted egg served to him by the Bishop.
It usually comes over as ‘good in parts’.

299334 ▶▶▶▶▶ Steeve, replying to annie, 2, #144 of 1227 🔗

I was searching the web to educate myself about the cartoon but ended up in New Zealand!

Bowalley Road: A Curate’s Egg Cabinet: Much Of It Is Bad, But Some Parts Of It Are Excellent.

299319 ▶▶▶ bluemoon, replying to annie, 1, #145 of 1227 🔗

Ah Annie, nobody seems to remember those old cartoons any longer.

299340 ▶▶▶▶ Basileus, replying to bluemoon, 2, #146 of 1227 🔗

I remember.

299313 ▶▶ Steeve, replying to karenovirus, 1, #147 of 1227 🔗
299318 ▶▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Steeve, 2, #148 of 1227 🔗

Wow, proper full size scotch eggs unlike the titchy things on offer in supermarkets.

299321 ▶▶▶▶ Steeve, replying to karenovirus, 2, #149 of 1227 🔗

Without any doubt a substantial meal!

299479 ▶▶▶▶ Spikedee1, replying to karenovirus, 1, #150 of 1227 🔗

And freezing cold as they are in the cooler!

299445 ▶▶ Two-Six, replying to karenovirus, 4, #151 of 1227 🔗

Could the demand for Scotch eggs outstrip the demand for the Wonder Vaxx? Yes I think it could.
Will Scotch eggs fend of The Rona better than the wonder Vaxx?

Yes probably.

299512 ▶▶▶ annie, replying to Two-Six, 2, #152 of 1227 🔗

Will they be made mandatory? Bad news for Jews, Muslims and vegetarians.

299556 ▶▶▶▶ Two-Six, replying to annie, 1, #153 of 1227 🔗

Beef scotch eggs?

299611 ▶▶▶▶▶ Basileus, replying to Two-Six, 5, #154 of 1227 🔗

We need to ‘scotch’ this rumour. Is is a eggsample of a conspiracy theory.

<gets coat>

299733 ▶▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to annie, 2, #155 of 1227 🔗

There’s an Indian version called nargesi kofta. Made with spiced lamb. Very good!

299303 annie, replying to annie, 43, #156 of 1227 🔗

So churches are to become centres for administering snake oil.
This is entirely appropriate, seeing that they have all turned into Covidian temples for the indoctrination of nappied ghouls.

299311 ▶▶ Danny, replying to annie, 13, #157 of 1227 🔗

JW Pennebaker’s miracle wonder cure all elixir should be right here at home. How long before they run pieces on the BBC whereby the vaccine wagon rolls in to town, they call out a “random” audience member who takes the cure before throwing down their crutches and dancing a jig before the wonderstruck simple townsfolk?

299323 ▶▶▶ annie, replying to Danny, 5, #158 of 1227 🔗

A miracle! A miracle!

299509 ▶▶▶ annie, replying to Danny, 4, #159 of 1227 🔗

A faith healer invited two members of his audience to come on to the stage and be instantly cured. To tremendous applause, up came Charlie, who had a st-st-stammer, and Bill, who walked with a crutch.
The healer sent them both behind a screen, and called loudly on the name of the Lord.Then he thundered, ‘Bill, throw away your crutch!’
To delirious applause, the crutch came hurtling from behind the screen.
‘Now, Charlie, speak!’
‘P-p-please, sir, B-B-Bill’s f-f-fallen over.’

299388 ▶▶ alw, replying to annie, 3, #160 of 1227 🔗

They are also being used as centres for flu vaccinations when many GP surgeries are perfectly adequate. More taxpayers money wasted.

299399 ▶▶▶ karenovirus, replying to alw, 3, #161 of 1227 🔗

My local GP Practice are now using the Church hall over the road but only after considerable protest from elderly patients who previously had been expected to go to a large shed on a trading estate some 3 miles away and some distance from the nearest bus stop (if they were allowed on the socially distanced bus).
Probably costs £10 per day to hire.

299406 ▶▶▶▶ Fingerache Philip., replying to karenovirus, 1, #162 of 1227 🔗

Protect the vulnerable, eh?

300048 ▶▶ David Grimbleby, replying to annie, 4, #163 of 1227 🔗

What the F. has happened to ‘ Christians’ didn’t they face persecution and horrible deaths in the early times from the Romans. Where is the ‘faith’ in their saviour?

300171 ▶▶▶ annie, replying to David Grimbleby, 3, #164 of 1227 🔗

Gone. Except for a few stubborn folk like me. Being ‘Christian’ now means being woke, and staying safe behind your muzzle.
Eternal life? Rise to the life immortal?Don’t make them laugh. (Or smile. Or sing.)

299308 Nick Rose, replying to Nick Rose, 5, #165 of 1227 🔗
299341 ▶▶ Basileus, replying to Nick Rose, 3, #166 of 1227 🔗

I wonder whether Fullermich could sue BBC for defamation of Mike Yeadon for the ‘Reality Check’ article which mentioned him?

299422 ▶▶▶ Ewan Duffy, replying to Basileus, 1, #167 of 1227 🔗

Yeadon would have to sue if he is the defamed one.

299606 ▶▶▶▶ Basileus, replying to Ewan Duffy, 1, #168 of 1227 🔗

Indeed, I was speaking shorthand.

299398 ▶▶ Trixie, replying to Nick Rose, 4, #169 of 1227 🔗

“…only if you set the amp to 11”.

Frivolous I know, but it did make me think of Spinal Tap .

I’m counting on Mike Yeadon and his ilk, btw.

299312 maggie may, replying to maggie may, 19, #170 of 1227 🔗

I wonder if Drosten is feeling a bit nervous at the moment. Seems to me that he could well become the ultimate fall guy who everything can be blamed on if there is ever an enquiry into why all the western governments allowed their economies to tank and thousands of lives to be lost.

Reminds me of the bit in Jason Bourne when they decide that if ‘Blackbriar goes south, we can roll it up and blame it on Landy’ or words to that effect.

299322 ▶▶ annie, replying to maggie may, 6, #171 of 1227 🔗

Couldn’t have happened to a better man.

299328 ▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to maggie may, 3, #172 of 1227 🔗

Good. No sympathy whatsoever for him.

299331 ▶▶ Basileus, replying to maggie may, 3, #173 of 1227 🔗

A cheerful thought with which to start the day.

299592 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to maggie may, 4, #174 of 1227 🔗

The Guardian and such news outlets paint a favourable picture of him. A maligned genius doing his best to help society. Attack by right wing conspiracy theorists.

299820 ▶▶ Ben, replying to maggie may, 3, #175 of 1227 🔗

If the Corona Scandal house-of-cards ever comes falling down (I’m not hopefull that it will unfortunately) then I hope Reiner Fuellmich is heralded as the hero he is. His face belongs on banknotes. There are many other heroes too

300327 ▶▶▶ Jane, replying to Ben, 2, #176 of 1227 🔗

Hard to find news of him and the lawsuit.

299840 ▶▶ Will, replying to maggie may, 1, #177 of 1227 🔗

He is friends with Ferguson isn’t he?

299314 FatBastardMcKenzie, replying to FatBastardMcKenzie, 10, #178 of 1227 🔗

You know it’s funny— headlines claiming LFT’s can’t find find half the cases of PCR tests, as a bad thing! The way i see it—there are no cases to be found. Just dead RNA to amplify…

299315 ▶▶ Poppy, replying to FatBastardMcKenzie, 19, #179 of 1227 🔗

The ‘truth’ is whatever these bastards want it to be.

299447 ▶▶▶ Two-Six, replying to Poppy, 2, #180 of 1227 🔗

“How many fingers am I holding up Winston?”

299502 ▶▶▶▶ annie, replying to Two-Six, 1, #181 of 1227 🔗

Do you really want to see five?

299320 Jonathan Smith, replying to Jonathan Smith, 5, #182 of 1227 🔗

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/article-9046351/When-exact-moment-got-infected-Covid.html

This article is from the links above. I’m not saying it shouldn’t have been included, but it does raise the spectre of child infection and illness, child to adult transmission, and schools and restaurants as major vectors of infection. All of these things have either been challenged on Lockdown Sceptics or been contextualized/reported in proportion. I can imagine someone using the article to justify the closure of schools.

299326 ▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to Jonathan Smith, 7, #183 of 1227 🔗

Child to adult infection? That would be the flu.

299454 ▶▶▶ Two-Six, replying to Nick Rose, 8, #184 of 1227 🔗

Sorry support for this version of the Flu has been suspended at the clost of March 2020.
Flu users must now upgrade to Flu 2.0 for continued support.

After this date in order to benefit from the exciting new enhancements to your flu experience you will have needed to upgrade to Flu 2.0 Professional or Flu 2.0 Home.

There is no cost to the end user for this upgrade.

Future upgrades will not take on the moniker of Flu2.1 or Flu 3.0, we will adhear to the trusted easily recognisable brand name you know and trust, Flu 2.0 but enhancements to your flu experience will be rolled out and applied automatically going forward. Other enhancements may be rolled into these updates on an ongoing basis.

Stay safe!

Bill
xxxx

299752 ▶▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Two-Six, 2, #185 of 1227 🔗

Brilliant!

299751 ▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Jonathan Smith, 1, #186 of 1227 🔗

It’s leaky propaganda then.

299330 Now More Than Ever, replying to Now More Than Ever, 32, #187 of 1227 🔗

Very interesting from Tom Jefferson and gives me more certainty about something I have been pondering: given that the number of recorded “cases” has been roughly in the range 15,000-25,000 for weeks and weeks now, how many of these are actually the same people – people among the, I don’t know, 3 million or so people who are required to have a test regularly for their jobs – and it keeps coming back positive?

299753 ▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Now More Than Ever, 3, #188 of 1227 🔗

That would explain a lot!

299335 p02099003, replying to p02099003, 4, #189 of 1227 🔗

From the NMC website FAQ
If an employer asks a nurse, midwife or nursing associate to take a Covid-19 test and they refuses to be tested, will they be at risk of a fitness to practise referral to the NMC?

  • Where a nurse, midwife or nursing associate refuses to agree to a Covid-19 test that will primarily be a matter for their employer to deal with. Depending on the individual circumstances, an employer could decide to take disciplinary action against the nurse, midwife or nursing associate.However, the NMC’s Code says that nurses, midwives and nursing associates must:take all reasonable personal precautions necessary to avoid any potential health risks to colleagues, people receiving care and the public (para 19.4)
  • maintain the level of health you need to carry out your professional role (para 20.9)

Refusing to agree to a Covid-19 test could be regarded as a failure to comply with these requirements of the Code, depending on the individual circumstances .

299337 ▶▶ Steeve, replying to p02099003, 1, #190 of 1227 🔗

depending on the individual circumstances?

299345 ▶▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Steeve, 6, #191 of 1227 🔗

Not recommended for anybody pregnant or ‘intending’ to get pregnant; people with allergies, co-morbidities (incl obesity) or taking other medications.
That probably covers 70-80% of health workers.

299342 ▶▶ karenovirus, replying to p02099003, 8, #192 of 1227 🔗

From the roundup the Telegraph has woken up to the probability that the Pfizer vaccine is unlikely to stop infections (but it might result in infected health practitioners going to work when ‘ill’ because they don’t know that they are).

299352 ▶▶ thinkaboutit, replying to p02099003, 5, #193 of 1227 🔗

If the Pfizer vaccine is more likely to give you Covid than prevent it, then taking the vaccine would make you a risk to others.
I’m not sure why a health worker could refuse a test though, unless it’s because a) the test is is rubbish and b) ultimately the individual should have autonomy over what is done to his/ her body.

299365 ▶▶▶ karenovirus, replying to thinkaboutit, 2, #194 of 1227 🔗

Require each and every NHS employer to provide its own risk assessment.
They can’t claim Group Coverage because each and every NHS Trust require suppliers to provide specs in their own particular way even though the product or service has been approved by the DoH.

299391 ▶▶▶ Barney McGrew, replying to thinkaboutit, 2, #195 of 1227 🔗

Maybe they value the intactness of their nasal/brain barrier.

299400 ▶▶▶ p02099003, replying to thinkaboutit, 1, #196 of 1227 🔗

a bit of a) mixed with a bit of b)

299336 Bart Simpson, replying to Bart Simpson, 46, #197 of 1227 🔗

Yesterday I met up with a friend and we went walking along Central London, its the busiest I’ve seen in the run up to Christmas but not on the same level as it was in the past.

It’s the Christmas rush but I also suspect the rumours of London being put under tier 3 also has a part to play.

It was nice to see people out and about – no antisocial distancing and even if some of the shops were limiting the number of people through queues, they were simply going through the motions and not actively enforcing any “safety” measures. On the whole we found that the shop & restaurant staff responded positively to our muzzle free faces. The only blight were some people muzzled even outdoors!!! And children too! Good grief!

As I said here as few days’ ago, I might lost my job next month. Any more restrictions could finish us off. I’m angry that many people I work with still aren’t awake despite the threat of redundancy.

The government seem determined to destroy everything and they must be hoping that enough people are brainwashed. Otherwise, when they finally wake up there will be hell to pay.

299339 ▶▶ Poppy, replying to Bart Simpson, 26, #198 of 1227 🔗

It’s always so nice to see so many people out and about. It’s the same where I live. It feels like a massive middle finger to all those medical quangocrats who think they can regulate away ordinary human behaviour.

299343 ▶▶▶ TJN, replying to Poppy, 29, #199 of 1227 🔗

Yes, but for me it won’t be a sufficiently large middle finger until people stop wearing masks.

299384 ▶▶▶▶ Suze Burtenshaw, replying to TJN, 31, #200 of 1227 🔗

Yes! For me, it’s all about the masks. They are THE ultimate sign of compliance with government crap. I can stomach the distancing (just) and hand sanitising (sometimes not a bad thing if you think about the state of some folks hands) but the masks…..NO!

299500 ▶▶▶▶▶ annie, replying to Suze Burtenshaw, 12, #201 of 1227 🔗

Agree. They are the ultimate sign of zombie enslavement.

299757 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to annie, 5, #202 of 1227 🔗

That’s the whole point!

299522 ▶▶▶▶▶ TJN, replying to Suze Burtenshaw, 16, #203 of 1227 🔗

The masks make me feel physically ill. I almost have to restrain myself from feeling violent. If I was ever meaningfully challenged for not wearing one I think it would come close as to whether I managed it.

I find it hard to be believe, and viscerally shocking, that such a large proportion of the population has so little self respect as to submit themselves to such a pitiful abasement. I will never be able to look at my fellow citizens in the same light again.

299555 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Borisbullshit, replying to TJN, 10, #204 of 1227 🔗

Yes the people are a disgrace and humans have been permanently debased in my eyes. I have been challenged twice by other customers and yes it could have turned violent if they had pushed it further and got physical. Fortunately they had the good sense to back off when robustly responded to.

299734 ▶▶▶▶▶ charleyfarley, replying to Suze Burtenshaw, 3, #205 of 1227 🔗

Totally agree!

299346 ▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to Poppy, 16, #206 of 1227 🔗

Agree. However until the muzzles and other “safety” measures are not observed, its not a proper fightback but the beginnings seems to be in the crowds yesterday.

299417 ▶▶▶▶ Country Mumkin, replying to Bart Simpson, 13, #207 of 1227 🔗

I’m not sure it’s all government compliance. I think it’s as much, if not more, social compliance.

Whenever you’re in an area where people are not wearing masks, others follow easily.

I think the campaign for the argument of non-mask wearing may not need to be around transmission. What do you think?

299505 ▶▶▶▶▶ Spikedee1, replying to Country Mumkin, 13, #208 of 1227 🔗

We are English and we really don’t like confrontation, so we comply in case we are shouted at. The kickback is coming from the barbarians the huns and the goths. It’s probably my Germanic heritage that makes me a non conforming cussed bastard who keeps laughing at people in masks. And masked while driving cars WTF is that all about?

299557 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Borisbullshit, replying to Spikedee1, 3, #209 of 1227 🔗

They are doing that to protect others you see!

299783 ▶▶▶▶▶ Edward, replying to Country Mumkin, 3, #210 of 1227 🔗

And there are people like Zoe Strimpel in today’s Sunday Telegraph, who describes a recent visit to the theatre and casually says “And, of course, everyone wore a mask throughout the performance.” Yeah yeah, new normal and all that crap. I certainly won’t be going under such abnormal conditions.

300169 ▶▶▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to Country Mumkin, 1, #211 of 1227 🔗

I think the campaign for the argument of non-mask wearing may not need to be around transmission. What do you think?

Agree. I’ve found that talking about breathing in your own CO2; developing dermatitis and impetigo seems to get people thinking.

Should also start mentioning oxygen deprivation too.

299497 ▶▶ annie, replying to Bart Simpson, 4, #212 of 1227 🔗

There will be hell to pay, and the price will be a direct route to hell for the guilty.

299551 ▶▶ Borisbullshit, replying to Bart Simpson, 4, #213 of 1227 🔗

Lets hope its the brainwashed who lose their jobs…they deserve it.

299915 ▶▶▶ richard riewer, replying to Borisbullshit, 1, #214 of 1227 🔗

The brainwashed will probably receive a bonus.

299957 ▶▶▶▶ Borisbullshit, replying to richard riewer, 1, #215 of 1227 🔗

Sadly thats probably true.

299338 James Hargrave, 5, #216 of 1227 🔗

The Rhodes Trust has long since jumped on establishment bandwagons that were unlikely to appeal to the Founder whose money they wasted (esp in the 1990s and 2000s) until it needed a top up. Look at the composition of the trustees over the last 30 years, look at most of the Wardens of Rhodes House in that period… Another institution that has been hollowed out.

299344 Poppy, replying to Poppy, 120, #217 of 1227 🔗

I find it very interesting that all those who agitate about the devastating economic and social consequences that would happen as a result of a No Deal Brexit seem to conveniently ignore the devastating economic and social consequences that have ALREADY happened as a result of lockdowns.

299347 ▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to Poppy, 38, #218 of 1227 🔗

Good point. And I’ve noticed a lot of the rabid remainers are also lockdownistas as well, I don’t think they’re aware that lockdowns are and have caused more harm than Brexit will.

299524 ▶▶▶ Spikedee1, replying to Bart Simpson, 10, #219 of 1227 🔗

Do you think it’s because these people no longer have a church to go to they now look for a cause to hallelujah. Look at XR and remainers and now covid muggles. They BELIEVE! nothing you say or evidence you bring will move them from their beliefs. They then have to make more and more outlandish theories to maintain their beliefs. Once these disciples are at their church of do good nobody will stand in their way. Non believer, crucifixion, heretic crucifixion. Nobody expects the Spanish inquisition!

299567 ▶▶▶▶ TheBluePill, replying to Spikedee1, 21, #220 of 1227 🔗

I’ve been atheist since I began to see the logical inconsistencies in religion (at around 8 years old). I always thought we would be better off as a species without religion. However, after seeing the cancerous thought processes in the population, culminating in the church of Corona, I realise that I was very wrong. The weak-minded need religion, without it they cannot cope with life. I would much rather people were members of a relatively passive and established religion than Church of Covid, XR, CO2, Marx, etc. At least most organised religions are beyond the witch-burning phase.

300287 ▶▶▶▶▶ awildgoose, replying to TheBluePill, 3, #221 of 1227 🔗

The behavior of Branch Covidians implies they have no time to worship hokey and cheesy deities like Jesus and Buddha.

They would much rather devote their faith to sexy and dangerous demigods like Corona-chan and George Floyd.

299350 ▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Poppy, 12, #222 of 1227 🔗

Call me old fashioned but I always thought Cameron should have invaded Belgium, occupied Brussels and negotiated from a position of strength.

299351 ▶▶ Simon Cook, replying to Poppy, 16, #223 of 1227 🔗

Good morning Poppy

This is a very salient point.

Im a strong remainer myself (my wife is Portuguese and our children dual-nationality) but I completely agree.

Im not sure even in their nightmares, that whats happening right now economically/socially etc could be any worse than what could of happened (had Covid never been a thing).

We ourselves had been having serious conversations about moving to Portugal to live (partly as a response to Brexit but also as we feel it would be good for us all to try something new and for the children to enjoy exploring the other side of their culture). Right now, that reality seems further away.

Kind regards

Simon

299354 ▶▶ chaos, replying to Poppy, 3, #224 of 1227 🔗

The damage due to lockdown is far greater. Besides, they are not going to allow a genuine brexit. 28 countries are in the EU and 23 European countries (or countries wholly or partly within the European continent) are outside of the EU. Countries not in the EU:

  • Albania
  • Andorra
  • Armenia
  • Azerbaijan
  • Belarus
  • Bosnia and Herzegovina**
  • Georgia
  • Iceland
  • Kosovo**
  • Liechtenstein
  • Moldova
  • Monaco
  • Montenegro*
  • North Macedonia*
  • Norway
  • Russia
  • San Marino
  • Serbia*
  • Switzerland
  • Turkey*
  • Ukraine
  • United Kingdom (left EU on January 31, 2020)
  • Vatican City

The Lockdown great reset is by far the biggest scourge.

300491 ▶▶▶ Hugh, replying to chaos, 1, #225 of 1227 🔗

and that’s not including Greenland, which used to be in the European Communities (or whatever it was called then) or the Channel Islands (which might be regarded as several countries depending on how you count it), whose sovereignty has been repeatedly violated by the EU (as I understand(.

299411 ▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to Poppy, 10, #226 of 1227 🔗

Even Peter Hitchens is at it today. Although he is a Leaver, he is agitating for the EEA solution. Of course, this means remaining in the Single Market which in itself defeats the point of Brexit. As always, they drone on about the chaos this will cause in Kent. Myself, I’m not convinced the EU is going to stop selling us its goods, so unless they want to see tighter controls at our end (including on those trucks using the UK as a land bridge between Ireland and the continent), which will cause delays for them also, I suggest this drivel is just more EU propaganda.

Either way I couldn’t give a flying f whether we trade with the rEU or not. There is nothing they sell to us we cannot get from elsewhere, and there is nothing we sell to them that we cannot sell elsewhere, or even buy for ourselves.

299414 ▶▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to Nick Rose, #227 of 1227 🔗

Apols to those for whom this is way off-topic.

299508 ▶▶▶▶ Spikedee1, replying to Nick Rose, 2, #228 of 1227 🔗

Rant away, it’s why we are here.

299689 ▶▶▶▶ kf99, replying to Nick Rose, 1, #229 of 1227 🔗

I agree but the problem is lack of deep sea port capacity. We threw everything into EU trade particularly when the Chunnel opened. Incidentally some money is going into direct France-Eire routes but I don’t know how economic they’ll be.

300086 ▶▶▶▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to kf99, 1, #230 of 1227 🔗

They do what they like kf, it’ll just take longer than it needs to. And if much of the European sea trade can use Rotterdam, our waters are well deep enough to do the same. And you can throw a port together fairly quickly when you need to.

It’s the lack of a maritime strategy – lunacy for an island country – that’s to blame. TPTB have been very lazy since Maastricht!

299532 ▶▶▶ Mark, replying to Nick Rose, 5, #231 of 1227 🔗

In fairness to Hitchens, I’ve heard him say on several occasions recently that he was always in favour of a “Norway solution”.

299575 ▶▶▶▶ Borisbullshit, replying to Mark, 5, #232 of 1227 🔗

Yes he has always been wrong lol. He also did not vote in the referendum which was quite arrogant and aloof. I agree with him much of the time but he can also be a pompous prick sometimes.

299573 ▶▶▶ Borisbullshit, replying to Nick Rose, 6, #233 of 1227 🔗

Agree entirely most trade is carried out outside the single market and are the big German car companies going to want to cut their own throats and lose their huge UK sales. If they do…. stuff them there are plenty of good cars around now from elsewhere in the world often at much cheaper prices.

Hitchens is deluded on this…he keeps talking about how his late friend Booker forecasted terrible disaster in Kent. Well Booker wrote a book about the EU called ‘The great deception’. Whats the point in writing a book with that title and then wanting to stay in it?

300091 ▶▶▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to Borisbullshit, 1, #234 of 1227 🔗

The Koreans build better cars than the Germans. I’m afraid German engineering has slipped in recent years. Somewhat.

299740 ▶▶▶ Ben, replying to Nick Rose, 8, #235 of 1227 🔗

The EU (EEA) tried to impose rail privatisation on Norway last year, which prompted a strike by railway workers. This is the true face of the EU whose tentacle-like influence extends to non-EU member states

The EU is a toxic organisation that I have no doubt will collapse on its own. I don’t know what will happen to its decadent Versailles in Brussels. Perhaps it should be recommissioned for the homeless

299963 ▶▶▶▶ Borisbullshit, replying to Ben, 3, #236 of 1227 🔗

Stuff Hitchen’s Norway option then!

300089 ▶▶▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to Ben, 3, #237 of 1227 🔗

The EEA is a trap. I suspect Peter Hitchens thinks it’s still the old (pre-1980’s) EFTA.

299490 ▶▶ Two-Six, replying to Poppy, 7, #238 of 1227 🔗

I think that “The Left” (Deep State) are so upset at the antics of Evil Boris and the Evil Fascist Tories that they are trying to kill the egregious regime off and hammer a stake in it’s heart. They are happy to cause the total destruction of everything, scorched earth to ensure the death of the Fascist cabal that is The Tory party right now.

The Tories have behaved so badly in their tenure and have abused so many long standing political protocols for so long now that as “The Left” see it there is no option but to try bawl and bray for more lockdowns and harsher measures untill Boris presides over a rubbish dump that we used to call the UK.

It’s Global Communitarianism now. We have transcended democracy.

299561 ▶▶ Borisbullshit, replying to Poppy, 1, #239 of 1227 🔗

It shows they just use it as a weapon….they dont care about being inconsistent.

299739 ▶▶ charleyfarley, replying to Poppy, 2, #240 of 1227 🔗

Spot on. Brexit is an irrelevant side show compared with the economic devastation to come.

300208 ▶▶ Snake Oil Pussy, replying to Poppy, #241 of 1227 🔗

Brexit is mainly about ending free movement and stopping immigration. Which is exactly what the lockdown has done, 9 months early.

299348 karenovirus, replying to karenovirus, 10, #242 of 1227 🔗

Scotland Awake !

299816 ▶▶ Ben, replying to karenovirus, 4, #243 of 1227 🔗

They’re brave. I take my hat off to them. Sturgeon is a tyrant busy destroying Scotland’s economy as a bull in a china shop

299349 Schrodinger, replying to Schrodinger, 21, #244 of 1227 🔗

This advert appeared in my Facebook page from the dear old Welsh Government.

Yes a virus that is so dangerous that no special hazardous waste or clinical waste procedures are necessary. Just grab that contaminated bit of material with you bare hands and put it in the bin in the park.

Magically those viruses have now disappeared into some magical viral black hole and do not need treating as clinical waste for special handling and subsequent incineration. If ever you needed evidence that masks are bullshit – here it is.

299371 ▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Schrodinger, 1, #245 of 1227 🔗

Remarkably unused looking face pantie.

299436 ▶▶ Basileus, replying to Schrodinger, 3, #246 of 1227 🔗

Perhaps they are like your cat: both alive and dead at the same time?

299493 ▶▶ annie, replying to Schrodinger, 4, #247 of 1227 🔗

I picked up and binned a discarded one just now, before it got into the sea. I used a plastic bag as a grabber, as I do for dog dirt. Dog dirt doesn’t bother me, but the gob nappy made me heave and retch.

299353 Freecumbria, replying to Freecumbria, 18, #248 of 1227 🔗

A link to Joel Smalley MBA, Data Scientist and Marie Oldfield, CStat, Csci, Statistician charts on google drive

‘England 2020 – Questions for the UK government in consideration of the empirical data’

Some amazing charts there.

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1zkE00ANmITzyXaSM-S_44ZWEJTxoUtp3/view

299362 ▶▶ Sarigan, replying to Freecumbria, 6, #249 of 1227 🔗

Great questions and charts, thank you

299844 ▶▶ Will, replying to Freecumbria, 1, #250 of 1227 🔗

Brilliant data free Cumbria, thank you for sharing.

299357 Barney McGrew, replying to Barney McGrew, 19, #251 of 1227 🔗

Mass vaccination followed by a gradual switch from PCR to LFT (with its low false-positive rate) seems to be a plausible strategy that Boris will use to get out the hole he has dug himself. The question is, will the public notice the sleight of hand?

Almost certainly not. The public responds to the narrative fed to them by the establishment via the media. Newspaper articles and news reports include statistics and references to science and so on, but the average member of the public is only responding to the ‘mood music’ of the headline. The science stuff is just padding that makes propaganda resemble a factual report.

299363 ▶▶ Saved To Death, replying to Barney McGrew, 21, #252 of 1227 🔗

I find it absurd the very idea that he can dig himself out of the hole he has dug himself(strange way to describe destroying the lives of the entire nation) by dramatically increasing the size and scope of his crimes to include coercing the population using terror into taking an experimental and unnecessary vaccine and switching from misusing one test to another.

Are we resigned to never having justice and allowing these psychopaths to continue their free reign with our lives?

299373 ▶▶▶ Steve Martindale, replying to Saved To Death, 18, #253 of 1227 🔗

How would we hope to get justice? Simon Dolan with his money has struggled, for the rest of us I am not aware of any mechanism that exists whereby we can challenge the legality of this? The test and trace system horrifies me, you can just be contacted and told to isolate with no mechanism to challenge the decision, no right to see the information that lead to the contact. It seems to me very close to the old East Germany and the Stasi. After all these years of living as a free man in what I thought was the free world I now find I am trying to set up my phone to block test and trace calls and my wife and I have to regularly remind ourselves how we answer the phone in case it is the dreaded and feared Stasi (NHS Test & Trace).
And as far as we can see we have no means to challenge all this fear and intimidation?

299379 ▶▶▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Steve Martindale, 7, #254 of 1227 🔗

Judging from comments in the Daily Mail, I can’t access those in the Telegraph, more and more people are becoming aware of the uselessness of tests and Track’n’Trace.

Yesterday I was witness to an appalling piece of driving by someone who was behaving very strangely before getting into his car.
Someone else phoned the police and I gave them a statement (no social distancing) including my real e-mail since I know that if the police phone you it is also from ‘number withheld’.

299396 ▶▶▶▶ Saved To Death, replying to Steve Martindale, 22, #255 of 1227 🔗

There don’t seem to be any easy answers at this point. I do think we need to have a mindset and use terminology that is appropriate to our situation. This is not a PM who has dug himself into a hole – it is a PM, government and house that have declared war on the British people and want to turn us into nothing more then the property of whoever they are taking their orders from. A government that has deployed the British army to fight this war against the British people. These are tyrants and as long as we accept their rule has even a shred of legitimacy we accept that we are merely the states property to be controlled in every last detail – what we cannot put into our bodies, what we must put into our bodies, when we can leave our home, who we can meet and when, etc etc.

Law and our courts have failed to protect our liberty – ultimately this is their singular function. By failing to do this they have made it clear they are part of the occupying force that needs removing from power in this country – they have no legitimacy anymore. We will need new laws and courts to serve the function of protecting our liberty.

How we get there is the question but we cannot proceed with the mindset that those involved can regain any legitimacy or somehow make up for their crimes regardless of their actions. Until they are removed and prosecuted this can never be over. We are not waiting for the government to dig themselves out of a hole – we are waiting for the people to dig themselves out of a hole.

299404 ▶▶▶▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Saved To Death, 7, #256 of 1227 🔗

Refer again to LS contributor ConstantBees’ phrase.

‘I am in an abusive relationship with the government’.

299977 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ richard riewer, replying to karenovirus, 2, #257 of 1227 🔗

We want a divorce! Sue the pants off of them.

299443 ▶▶▶▶ Bella Donna, replying to Steve Martindale, 1, #258 of 1227 🔗

I have two mobiles, the newer one is permanently off since it downloaded a covid app I never requested and the old one I only use to contact my niece on Whatsapp.

299580 ▶▶▶▶ Borisbullshit, replying to Steve Martindale, 4, #259 of 1227 🔗

I just dont answer the phone ….if its important they will leave a message or text.I always give a false phone number at restaurants and have a few remembered postcodes for certain locations!

299760 ▶▶▶▶ charleyfarley, replying to Steve Martindale, 3, #260 of 1227 🔗

In view of the refusal of the Supreme Court to hear Dolan’s case there won’t be a legal remedy. That means either some new political force powerful enough to eject the Lib/Lab/Con consensus, or mass civil disobediance and riots.

I doubt there will ever be a public enquiry, and if there was it would be stuffed with people who can be relied upon to come to the “right” decision as the establishment closes ranks.

299448 ▶▶▶ Ken Gardner, replying to Saved To Death, 4, #261 of 1227 🔗

Your pen name has only just registered with me. ‘Saved to Death’ seems an excellent way to sum up the whole Covid fiasco!

299488 ▶▶▶ annie, replying to Saved To Death, #262 of 1227 🔗

No, we are not.

299565 ▶▶▶ Marialta, replying to Saved To Death, 3, #263 of 1227 🔗

I see parallels with the way the government managed to persuade the population that things like libraries and public resources had to close in the name of “austerity” measures a while back.Indirect social and cultural control is the most successful type of state control. BJ and all in power are smirking at how easy it is, once you control at the level of bodies.

“The body is moulded by a great many distinct regimes; it is broken down by the rhythms of work, rest, holidays; it is poisoned by food or values,through testing habits or moral laws; it constructs resistances” Michel Foucault.

This morning on Radio 4 Broadcasting House programme a bigwig suggested that Christmas be moved to Easter. I rest my case.

300107 ▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Saved To Death, #264 of 1227 🔗

Well said!

299375 ▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Barney McGrew, 2, #265 of 1227 🔗

‘Mood music of the headline’.

Spot on Barney, as I post frequently Local Live (mirror group news) delight in alarmist daily headlines knowing that few people will dig into their turgid prose and plethora of ads to find the actual figures which I suppose that they are still obliged to include, at present.

299358 James Bertram, replying to James Bertram, 5, #266 of 1227 🔗

On John Redwood’s Diary today he asks the question: How do we best contain the virus?
“… I would be interested in your thoughts on what has worked best, and on why there are such big differences between most of Europe and most of Asia. We still have some months to go of containment, preferably without doing too much more damage to the economy.”

Hopefully people on here will respond.

299407 ▶▶ karenovirus, replying to James Bertram, 1, #267 of 1227 🔗

I used to think highly of John Redwood but from that question he either hasn’t done his homework or he’s part of the problem.

299478 ▶▶▶ Charlie Blue, replying to karenovirus, 4, #268 of 1227 🔗

He may well have his own views but have an urge rarely found among MPs – to ask voters what they think and pay attention to their opinions?

299483 ▶▶▶▶ annie, replying to Charlie Blue, 1, #269 of 1227 🔗

Yerwhat?

299492 ▶▶▶ Julian, replying to karenovirus, 2, #270 of 1227 🔗

They are almost all obsessed with the idea that Something Must Be Done

300114 ▶▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Julian, 1, #271 of 1227 🔗

Correction, something must be seen to be done!

299795 ▶▶▶ charleyfarley, replying to karenovirus, 7, #272 of 1227 🔗

I am amazed at how feeble Redwood has been over the virus. Have just posted this on his website.

We should have remembered Reagan’s wise words, “Don’t just do something, stand there.” The government should have done nothing but protect those who were vulnerable and allow the rest of society to carry on. Unfortunately governments always believe that their actions make things better. By the date of the first lockdown SARS Cov-2 had been downgraded and was no longer a serious infectious disease. We would by then have known that it was only a threat to the very old and those with serious illness. Instead a form of herd insanity and groupthink took over. In a real sense your question is premature. Until the devastating effects of the governments actions have been felt it is impossible to measure the damage done by lockdown policy. In view of the virtual closure of the health service to most people we can be sure that the loss of future lives through lack of medical treatment, to say nothing of the economic devastation we are facing and the unknown effects of an experimental vaccine which reduces symptoms without providing immunity, will dwarf any perceived harm caused by the virus. History will not look kindly upon our leaders for what they have done.

299519 ▶▶ Stringfellow Hawke, replying to James Bertram, 2, #273 of 1227 🔗

Perhaps people could follow the advice of Vallance, and go for the herd immunity approach seeing as it isn’t possible to completely control a virus:
https://twitter.com/BBCr4today/status/1238390547783528448

299361 Sarigan, replying to Sarigan, 3, #274 of 1227 🔗

Shot Day courtesy of the Simpsons

https://youtu.be/V_bfE5dxXJQ

299366 ▶▶ mjr, replying to Sarigan, 5, #275 of 1227 🔗

very apt the scene where Dr Hibberd says “cancel all my appointments” as the man scheduled for kidney operations pleads for his life. .What does that remind you of?

299367 chaos, replying to chaos, 17, #276 of 1227 🔗

Boris, his dad, and Nut Nut are still in charge.
How shit does a government have to be before someone acts?

299378 ▶▶ Ewan Duffy, replying to chaos, 6, #277 of 1227 🔗

At this stage, those in the Tory Party who are ardent Brexiteers can see their wet dream materialising in three weeks time. I reckon once this “utopian” reality is delivered, Johnson will go or be removed.

Another advantage in keeping Johnson in place now is that when Brexit turns out to be a shitshow, all the fallout can be blamed on Johnson.

299382 ▶▶▶ Barney McGrew, replying to Ewan Duffy, 24, #278 of 1227 🔗

I am still bemused about the way people are still going on about Brexit. Just how much of a ‘shitshow’ can it be in comparison to where we are now?!!!!

299458 ▶▶▶▶ Jonathan Palmer, replying to Barney McGrew, 10, #279 of 1227 🔗

Brexit is totally irrelevant and I speak as someone who voted leave.We have just changed the branch office we report to.

299585 ▶▶▶▶▶ Borisbullshit, replying to Jonathan Palmer, 2, #280 of 1227 🔗

Agree totally…..’taking back control’ is not so attractive when you see who is going to be doing the controlling!

299473 ▶▶▶▶ annie, replying to Barney McGrew, 2, #281 of 1227 🔗

Agree.

299416 ▶▶▶ Will, replying to Ewan Duffy, 5, #282 of 1227 🔗

Brexit isn’t even going to register relative to the fallout from covid. A no deal Brexit is going to be a catastrophe for the island of Ireland though because I think the Germans will be every bit as considerate as they were in 2008.

299397 ▶▶ alw, replying to chaos, 1, #283 of 1227 🔗

And Nut Nut’s dad!

299587 ▶▶▶ Borisbullshit, replying to alw, 1, #284 of 1227 🔗

Do you mean Boris? He certainly looks like her Dad.

299369 chaos, replying to chaos, 8, #285 of 1227 🔗

According to the government there is an 80% chance of a no deal brexit.I’m pretty sure we have been at that point before. This groundhog day torture and pantomime that Boris et al specialise in.. when will the 1922 stop it? Do they realise they are finished as a party?

299441 ▶▶ Bella Donna, replying to chaos, 2, #286 of 1227 🔗

You just know when Bozo takes charge there is going to be a Fudge!

299370 TimeIsNow, replying to TimeIsNow, 1, #287 of 1227 🔗

Hi. I’ve read a lot that there are published studies showing no correlation between lockdowns and infections/mortality. It would be useful to have a link because many of my friends of very pro-lockdown and obvious examples, Florida, Sweden, Belgium, aren’t having any impact. Maybe this won’t either but it’s worth a try.

299409 ▶▶ karenovirus, replying to TimeIsNow, 5, #289 of 1227 🔗

Ten years total deaths in no lockdown Sweden, from the main text three days ago

299495 ▶▶ Tom Blackburn, replying to TimeIsNow, 4, #290 of 1227 🔗

I wouldn’t even bother playing their game, getting involved in data, science and graphs. Call them an arsehole then tell them to go fuck themselves.

299979 ▶▶▶ TimeIsNow, replying to Tom Blackburn, 1, #291 of 1227 🔗

Unfortunately this is most of my best friends. I really don’t want to be a complete loner. Especially when they are seeing nothing but propaganda all the time. Most people have no idea that lockdown, masks etc has no effect or that mass testing is garbage.

299539 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to TimeIsNow, #292 of 1227 🔗

https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.06.18.20135012v2

No impact on deaths regardless of measures, except border closures early on.

Go to Ivor Cummings twitter and look for his collection of papers that provide everything you need.

299726 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to TimeIsNow, #293 of 1227 🔗

https://www.frontiersin.org/articles/10.3389/fpubh.2020.604339/full

Stringency of the measures settled to fight pandemia, including lockdown, did not appear to be linked with death rate.

299372 Sarigan, replying to Sarigan, 1, #294 of 1227 🔗

Dying of thirst whilst in care.

https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/politics/thirst-killed-345-non-covid-23158070

Just out of interest can any medical types translate the figures on the hospital monitor photo?

299377 ▶▶ bluemoon, replying to Sarigan, 4, #295 of 1227 🔗

People near the end of their lives routinely refuse liquids and solids. They turn their head away, close their lips, shake their head. It’s heart breaking for those caring from them, and is one of the reasons there are so many care home residents transferred to a hospital for a couple of days – to be re-hydrated.

299402 ▶▶▶ Fingerache Philip., replying to bluemoon, 2, #296 of 1227 🔗

Happened to my own mother.

299415 ▶▶▶▶ bluemoon, replying to Fingerache Philip., 2, #297 of 1227 🔗

Yep mine too, and others I have been with.

299471 ▶▶▶▶ annie, replying to Fingerache Philip., 3, #298 of 1227 🔗

And my dad. My sister spent hours coaxing him to sip orange juice. The nursing staff didn’t give a s..t.

299418 ▶▶ Awkward Git, replying to Sarigan, 7, #299 of 1227 🔗

I know a few people went in on the Friday, dead by Monday – 3 days now after and that’s all its takes – and complaining they ere thirsty when we visited so we got drinks for them.

Standard way of hurrying things along without drugs.

299511 ▶▶ CGL, replying to Sarigan, 2, #300 of 1227 🔗

I believe it is called the Liverpool Care Pathway isnt it?

299972 ▶▶▶ Ben, replying to CGL, #301 of 1227 🔗

@drjonesaa on a Twitter devotes his account to this issue

299812 ▶▶ Ben, replying to Sarigan, #302 of 1227 🔗

This echoes the modus operandi of the Liverpool Care Pathway scandal. Vernon Coleman talks about this

299374 swedenborg, 9, #303 of 1227 🔗

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/dec/11/who-accused-conspiring-italy-remove-damning-covid-report?CMP=share_btn_tw

 Now this critical article of WHO in the Guardian.Cover up of Italian incompetence by WHO according to the article. Severe criticism of Hans Kluge ,European WHO lead, one of the worst in the organisation. MSM is now much more open to WHO criticism incl. the investigation of the origin. At least some progress as this was supposed to be fringe thinking and conspiracy speculation .

299420 ▶▶ Basileus, replying to Awkward Git, #305 of 1227 🔗

It would be good to have a bit more information as that given on the site is rather vague. I am digging.

299435 ▶▶ Bella Donna, replying to Awkward Git, #306 of 1227 🔗

Yes I was emailed it this morning. Very interesting stuff happening in the background.

300176 ▶▶▶ richard riewer, replying to Bella Donna, #307 of 1227 🔗

Belladonna was a key ingredient in a powder made for asthmatics, Asthmador. Be careful how you use it.

299380 Sarigan, replying to Sarigan, 2, #308 of 1227 🔗

Germany to close most shops from Dec 16-Jan 10 – draft government proposal
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-health-coronavirus-germany-idUSKBN28N068

299469 ▶▶ annie, replying to Sarigan, 4, #309 of 1227 🔗

draft or daft?

299621 ▶▶▶ Sarigan, replying to annie, 1, #310 of 1227 🔗

Sorry, my mistake. It should indeed read daft.

299967 ▶▶ Ben, replying to Sarigan, #311 of 1227 🔗

This must be the deliberate, controlled destruction of the economy that Ernst Wolff talks about

Ernst Wolff #Corona: The Collapse of the System
https://m.youtube.com/watch?feature=youtu.be&v=8LYjOEib9iI

300178 ▶▶▶ richard riewer, replying to Ben, #312 of 1227 🔗

Merkel’s a Globalist, not a Christian.

299381 chaos, replying to chaos, 9, #313 of 1227 🔗

Crazy theory #267262268826226.2

As we get older we naturally lose our sense of smell and hearing. As a child we can hear upto 20kHz. By age 25 most of us struggle to hear beyond 15kHz. By age 50 most of us have lost half of our sense of taste and smell. I often reminisce about the smells of my childhood and youth. The smell of grass. The smell of pubs. The smell of winter. The smell of my first love.

This supposed loss of smell supposedly seen with ‘long covid’. What’s the betting it is just normal aging, something the ‘ill-person’ just hadn’t really noticed before? Like most of us, not only did they not stop to smell the roses, they hadn’t noticed they could no longer smell the roses at all.

299412 ▶▶ karenovirus, replying to chaos, 4, #314 of 1227 🔗

I still remember the smell of my first tobacco.

299450 ▶▶▶ chaos, replying to karenovirus, 5, #315 of 1227 🔗

I love the smell of tobacco, fresh or being smoked. Glad I gave it up though.

300180 ▶▶▶ richard riewer, replying to karenovirus, 1, #316 of 1227 🔗

Old Holborn?

299620 ▶▶ Borisbullshit, replying to chaos, #317 of 1227 🔗

Its the coffee they need to wake up and smell!

299383 Awkward Git, replying to Awkward Git, 14, #318 of 1227 🔗

The link to ASA to complain about scam or inaccurate Covid advertisements:

https://www.asa.org.uk/make-a-complaint/quick-report.html

My complaint about asymptomatic transmission claims by HMG gone in.

299395 ▶▶ alw, replying to Awkward Git, #319 of 1227 🔗

Are you sure? Heard it on Talk Radio yesterday.

299413 ▶▶▶ Awkward Git, replying to alw, 2, #320 of 1227 🔗

Everything I read just assumes that as the person who tested positive had not been in contact with anyone else who had tested positive then it must be due to asymptomatic transmission.

I did have a list of “research” links that was supplied by someone and that authorities claimed proved asymptomatic transmission but it did not – every paper claimed tens are a above or that the track and trace system and failed.

Even the recent research from Wuhan highlighted on here could not prove it.

299474 ▶▶▶▶ BTLnewbie, replying to Awkward Git, 2, #321 of 1227 🔗

AG, I’m in a debate at the moment about asymptomatic transmission and the fact that it has killed society because we are taught to treat everyone we meet as a potential killer.
Are you able to put your research links on the web somewhere? (I’m not that tech-savvy myself, so I can’t ask the question more intelligently.)

299510 ▶▶▶▶▶ Stringfellow Hawke, replying to BTLnewbie, 2, #322 of 1227 🔗

Yeadon put it quite simply: a disease requires symptoms!

299518 ▶▶▶▶▶ Awkward Git, replying to BTLnewbie, #323 of 1227 🔗

Will try and find the links again and post them at the top, it was an official set of documents that a Government (our’s I think but could be wrong) were using to justify it but when you actually read them not one even came close as evidence.

299523 ▶▶▶▶▶ Awkward Git, replying to BTLnewbie, #324 of 1227 🔗
299529 ▶▶▶▶▶ Awkward Git, replying to BTLnewbie, #325 of 1227 🔗

Another one:

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/32513410/

Conclusion: In summary, all the 455 contacts were excluded from SARS-CoV-2 infection and we conclude that the infectivity of some asymptomatic SARS-CoV-2 carriers might be weak.”

299535 ▶▶▶▶▶ Awkward Git, replying to BTLnewbie, #326 of 1227 🔗

This from the CDC:

https://wwwnc.cdc.gov/eid/article/26/7/20-1595_article

which states

The detection of SARS-CoV-2 RNA in presymptomatic or asymptomatic persons does not prove that they can transmit the virus to others.”

Then goes on to argue with itself that this attempt is wrong but cannot give any real evidence but modelling and anecdotes that asymptomatic transmission occurs which is apr for the course.

It has some links in it as well worth perusing.

299549 ▶▶▶▶▶ Awkward Git, replying to BTLnewbie, 2, #327 of 1227 🔗

This one if you scroll down it makes a big point of the difference between asymptomatic and pre-symptomatic transmission.

https://princetonlongevitycenter.com/asymptomatic-pre-symptomatic-transmission-differences-in-sex-more/

Pre-Symptomatic go one to develop symptoms and these people may spread covid-19 in the time between a positive tests and symptoms developing.

Asymptomatic people get a positive test but never develop symptoms and do not seem to be the cause of asymptomatic transmission.

As it says in the article – stricter definition makes all the difference. Something out illustrious leaders and MSM do not do.

299387 TheBigman, replying to TheBigman, 15, #328 of 1227 🔗

Convenient that a covid vaccine sceptic, whom is also a trained scientist, gets deemed insane and locked up. No doubt for ‘his own good’.

This a small snapshot of things to come to any sceptic. “re-education camps” have already been talked about in some countries.

Its OK though, these rules will ease…this time. It’s all a test and we’re failing.

Go out, no mask, open your business and show them we’re not taking their pish.

299428 ▶▶ Bella Donna, replying to TheBigman, 6, #329 of 1227 🔗

I’m appalled at what is happening, it is unbelievably evil.

Never forget we are the many they are few!

299863 ▶▶▶ Chicot, replying to Bella Donna, #330 of 1227 🔗

The elites are few, but sadly the lazy, compliant sheep are many and unless they wake up it’s going to be hard to turn this thing around.

300185 ▶▶▶ richard riewer, replying to Bella Donna, #331 of 1227 🔗

‘We are the World, we are the Children’ …

299389 Country Mumkin, replying to Country Mumkin, 2, #332 of 1227 🔗

Morning all

Just seen this and I hear it’s about quarantine camps for Germans. I can’t read German, so wondered if anyone else knew what this was about.

Particularly keen to know of its same as theNZ model or a development of that. I hear these German camps are being built whereas in NZ hotels are being used.

Any insight gratefully appreciated.
https://www.epochtimes.de/politik/deutschland/haft-fuer-corona-suender-neumuenster-macht-erste-zellen-fuer-quarantaene-brecher-frei-a3400087.html/amp?__twitter_impression=true

299424 ▶▶▶ Country Mumkin, replying to Sarigan, 3, #334 of 1227 🔗

Thank you Sarigan. I’ll learn how to do that next time.

So feasibly this could jump to those not willing to vaccinate or are seen as a “public health hazard”. I’ll watch closely.

299980 ▶▶ Ben, replying to Country Mumkin, 2, #335 of 1227 🔗

I read about a woman in New Zealand who tested positive after a PCR test and who was imprisoned against her will in a ‘quarantine’ centre. Whilst there she became so depressed that she tried to kill herself. They let her out

How often does Jacinda Ardern test for Covid? Will she have to be incarcerated in a quarantine camp too?

Why are people so blind as to not see what’s happening?

This is a fascist attack on the people. There is talk of these concentration camps in Canada and Australia too. No doubt they are privately run and politicians will own shares in them

I’m disgusted by the human race. Anyone siding with lockdown is siding with fascism

299401 alw, 5, #336 of 1227 🔗

More from Mike Yeadon on the failings of the PCR test.

““We need to talk about PCR”. What, again?? Yes, again. There’s no question whatsoever that, as configured & used, PCR mass testing “over-reads” by a considerable margin. This is because of its remarkable ability to amplify up really tiny amounts of viral RNA. The consequence……consequence of this is that PCR tests can read ‘positive’ even though the amount of RNA is too small to cause an infection or symptoms. Further, after the body has battled with & beaten the virus, it leaves behind in the airways bits of broken viral RNA. Even these irrelevant (Source: https://threader.app/thread/1337868485511303183 )”

299405 Stuart, replying to Stuart, 14, #337 of 1227 🔗

Johnners is spiffing with his “climate catastrophe is worse than Covid” spiel for the plebs.

Expect Covid Lockdown to merge into Crashout Lockdown to merge into Climate Lockdown.

Seamlessly.

299425 ▶▶ Ovis, replying to Stuart, 10, #338 of 1227 🔗

The government likes lockdown, it really loves masks. Yes, the excuses will change but the mandates won’t unless they are changed from below. The only way out is civil disobedience.

299431 ▶▶▶ Stuart, replying to Ovis, 3, #339 of 1227 🔗

And passive resistance, if you want to go full-on Ghandi. The time for blood and iron is not yet.

299434 ▶▶ Stuart, replying to Stuart, #340 of 1227 🔗

I note that he really said “climate change is worse than Covid”.

299467 ▶▶▶ annie, replying to Stuart, 15, #341 of 1227 🔗

Climate change hasn’t gagged, imprisoned or abused me, or stopped my children from being educated, or turned my neighbours into malicious snitching scumbags.

299472 ▶▶▶▶ Dorian_Hawkmoon, replying to annie, 3, #342 of 1227 🔗

No Annie, but like lockdowns for Covid, the response will.

300187 ▶▶▶▶ richard riewer, replying to annie, #343 of 1227 🔗

You should send that comment to the PM.

299470 ▶▶▶ Dorian_Hawkmoon, replying to Stuart, #344 of 1227 🔗

Yeah, scary assertion implying even more draconian measures are justified. The horror.

299525 ▶▶ Two-Six, replying to Stuart, 2, #345 of 1227 🔗

Corona Bollocks is supposed to set the scene for the curtailments and restrictions that will be forced on the world to combat climate change. It’s a change in mindset so that state intervention into every aspect of our lives is enabled and supported.

There is no other way that carbon neutrality will be implemented. They had to uses the virus card. No Option.

299964 ▶▶▶ Ben, replying to Two-Six, 1, #346 of 1227 🔗

The Greens and Extinction Rebellion have their own Nazi uniforms

299999 ▶▶▶▶ richard riewer, replying to Ben, #347 of 1227 🔗

It’s all part of The Common Purpose and our Common Future.

299537 ▶▶ stefarm, replying to Stuart, 2, #348 of 1227 🔗

“In searching for a new enemy to unite us, we came up with the idea that pollution, the threat of global warming, water shortages, famine and the like would fit the bill…. But in designating them as the enemy, we fall into the trap of mistaking symptoms for causes. All these dangers are caused by human intervention and it is only through changed attitudes and behavior that they can be overcome. The real enemy, then, is humanity itself.” – Club of Rome, The First Global Revolution 1991

300002 ▶▶▶ richard riewer, replying to stefarm, #349 of 1227 🔗

Technocrats are Materialists. No Spirituality.Technicians Micro Managing human populations. Efficiency. Unnatural.
I just exchanged my Ferrari V12 for a Morris Minor.

299843 ▶▶ Nigel Sherratt, replying to Stuart, #350 of 1227 🔗

‘Johnners’ should be kept for discussions of the immortal Brian Johnston (“Aggers for goodness sake stop it!”).

https://www.youtube.com/watch?app=desktop&v=KsVTpX7LdZQ

299419 alw, replying to alw, 5, #351 of 1227 🔗

News about placing London in Tier 3 changes by the hour. Apparently only the problematic areas in outer London will be placed into Tier 3. This should be a wake-up call for all areas who accept cash payments for having testing centres in their area. If they trash businesses then they will have no rates income. Law of unintended consequences comes to mind.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9047079/Tier-3-inflict-catastrophic-damage-London-Tory-MPs-warn.html

299449 ▶▶ Stuart, replying to alw, 1, #352 of 1227 🔗

“Areas who accept cash payments” are staffed and controlled by low level council employees and local worthies on the government payroll, few of whom are sufficiently intelligent or educated to see the consequences, intentional or otherwise.

299570 ▶▶ thinkaboutit, replying to alw, -1, #353 of 1227 🔗

Croydon council is bankrupt so will happily take cash payments. It has no regard for the residents of the borough because if it did it wouldn’t have taken part in the schemes that made it bankrupt.

299427 Cecil B, replying to Cecil B, 11, #354 of 1227 🔗

Regarding the arrest for non mask wearing in a Hereford Supermarket

If they give stupid people stupid powers don’t be too surprised that the result is stupid

299439 ▶▶ Stuart, replying to Cecil B, 2, #355 of 1227 🔗

£100,000 damages, at a minimum.

299464 ▶▶▶ annie, replying to Stuart, 1, #356 of 1227 🔗

I’n waiting to cheer.

299798 ▶▶ David Grimbleby, replying to Cecil B, #357 of 1227 🔗

There is a bloke on Ickes site from Brum, arrested at a demo, held for 13 hours, received a fixed penalty fine, £200 I think. On receiving the paperwork found it was from a Ltd.. Co. whose shareholders inc. the police in various ranks! A nice little earner on the side, so to speak!

299900 ▶▶ arfurmo, replying to Cecil B, #358 of 1227 🔗

Link is https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8avf2zgjR0U The comments are worth a read

299437 FenTyger, replying to FenTyger, 5, #359 of 1227 🔗

vaccine : a substance containing a virus or bacterium in a form that is not harmful, given to a person or animal to prevent them from getting the disease that the virus or bacterium causes.

As I understand it the Pfizer offering does not cause an immune response, so is it a true vaccine?

299442 ▶▶ Stuart, replying to FenTyger, 16, #360 of 1227 🔗

No, it is an experimental concoction born of panic, desperation, hubris, psychopathy and the profit motive.

299457 ▶▶ 1stJamie, replying to FenTyger, 3, #361 of 1227 🔗

No it is not a vaccine. It is experimental gene therapy. Now where’s my Nuremburg code of medical ethics handbook gone?

299462 ▶▶ Dorian_Hawkmoon, replying to FenTyger, 4, #362 of 1227 🔗

I’ve been breaking my head on this one. It isn’t strictly a vaccine so what is it? A treatment? But it’s a treatment for something you don’t have until the treatment is administered? Then your body is made to produce a protein your immune system will recognise as foreign? How far away is this from an autoimmune response? Where in the body will this protein be expressed? How is the response limited? How can we be certain it only sits in the cytoplasm and can’t enter the nucleus?

299484 ▶▶▶ FenTyger, replying to Dorian_Hawkmoon, #363 of 1227 🔗

Exact reason for my question. If it’s not a vaccine what is it? You may trust a vaccine (similar to Flu) but why would you trust a “non vaccine”?

299485 ▶▶▶ Liewe, replying to Dorian_Hawkmoon, 1, #364 of 1227 🔗

Call it a prophylactic, perhaps?

299574 ▶▶▶▶ alw, replying to Liewe, 1, #365 of 1227 🔗

Witchdoctor’s potion.

299833 ▶▶▶▶▶ Nigel Sherratt, replying to alw, #366 of 1227 🔗

We might as well pray to pictures of DofE ( Man Belong Mrs Queen ). At least the kava would take the edge off.

299685 ▶▶▶▶ Marialta, replying to Liewe, #367 of 1227 🔗

Yes exactly that’s what it is. Most people haven’t twigged yet that it was never underwent tests for ability to provide immunity. it is a treatment for mild symptoms. As many people have pointed out here the best thing to do is build up ones own immunity through Vitamin D and take responsibility for ones own health. But of course that doesn’t fit in with Big Pharma.

299440 swedenborg, 1, #368 of 1227 🔗

https://twitter.com/WesPegden/status/1337965633976344576
 Interesting twitter thread discussion about “blaming the youth approach” by the new Public Health puritans. .

299444 swedenborg, 2, #369 of 1227 🔗

Wouldn’t you be concerned seeing such an email discussion by some of the most prominent coronavirus specialists in the field in Nov 2019?
Or is this just right wing conspiracy theories blaming China?
see attched email copy

299446 chaos, replying to chaos, 2, #370 of 1227 🔗

Crazy Horses #22279

When they abandon the Great Greta Davos Klaus Stanley Boris Nut Nut Rockefeller Bicycle Hydrogen Wind Utopia Reset.. which they will… cos it’s fucking stupid.

What then?

299453 ▶▶ Cecil B, replying to chaos, 3, #371 of 1227 🔗

Start up another one in the wife’s name?

299452 mjr, replying to mjr, 4, #372 of 1227 🔗

mail on sunday has so much pro vaccine stuff. for example Hunter Davies “that call to say I was getting the jab was like passing the 11-plus” so strange being gung ho about an untested vaccine whilst harking back to a time when we had a decent education system and kids were taught to think .

299496 ▶▶ Will, replying to mjr, 4, #373 of 1227 🔗

If I was 84 with God knows how many comorbidities, I would take the prophylactic, tested or not, because covid is a fecking dangerous disease for a man of that age. But it is not dangerous enough, for someone of my age, to justify the risk of taking an emergency prophylactic. When they prove it is actually a vaccine, I might think about it, but not until it has been granted full approval by every licensing agency.

299563 ▶▶▶ thinkaboutit, replying to Will, 6, #374 of 1227 🔗

At 84 he is already above the average age of death. I don’t blame him at that age wanting the vaccine but I wonder if paracetamol and vitamin D would do the same job.

299851 ▶▶▶▶ Will, replying to thinkaboutit, #375 of 1227 🔗

I am sure it would.

299579 ▶▶ alw, replying to mjr, 2, #376 of 1227 🔗

Even if I was 84 I would not wish to take what is clearly not a vaccine. Quality of life not quantity is the most important thing in all of this. This government has knowingly abused and compromised the lives of those most vulnerable in the futile pursuit of a quick fix vaccine to cover up their lies and deceit.

299969 ▶▶ Borisbullshit, replying to mjr, #377 of 1227 🔗

What a sad twat he must be…..obviously has an empty life. Lets hope he enjoys having it boosted regularly too.

300191 ▶▶ richard riewer, replying to mjr, #378 of 1227 🔗

It appears that Hunter Davies didn’t learn to think.

299455 AnotherSceptic, replying to AnotherSceptic, 6, #379 of 1227 🔗

The NHS is saying that there is going to be a “3rd wave”

https://uk.yahoo.com/news/coronavirus-third-wave-nhs-warning-093159252.html

Unfuckingbelievable.

299463 ▶▶ annie, replying to AnotherSceptic, 4, #380 of 1227 🔗

Cue more tankersful of our money being sloshed over the No Health Service in the NY.

299482 ▶▶▶ Bill h, replying to annie, 1, #381 of 1227 🔗

Yep, open the valves and run up the turbo pumps…….

299486 ▶▶ Julian, replying to AnotherSceptic, 6, #382 of 1227 🔗

To quote Mandy Rice-Davies: “Well, they would, wouldn’t they?”.

If you are in senior management in the NHS, you want to keep your job so you go along with the government, plus you want money, status, power so you talk up anything that puts you in a position to call the shots.

299499 ▶▶ Will, replying to AnotherSceptic, 4, #383 of 1227 🔗

We haven’t had a second wave.

299504 ▶▶▶ FenTyger, replying to Will, 3, #384 of 1227 🔗

Still finishing the first and only wave.

299572 ▶▶ alw, replying to AnotherSceptic, 2, #385 of 1227 🔗

Mike Yeadon….viruses don’t do waves.

Me…..only the Queen does!

299804 ▶▶ Ben, replying to AnotherSceptic, 1, #386 of 1227 🔗

F**k the NHS

299460 gundagin, 4, #387 of 1227 🔗

Dr Wolfgang Wodarg did the same over the swine flu epidemic back in 2010. If you replace ‘swine flu’ with ‘covid19’ you could cut and paste 2010’s article and post it again today!….
https://healthcare-in-europe.com/en/news/european-parliament-to-investigate-who-pandemic-scandal.html

299461 Liewe, replying to Liewe, 20, #388 of 1227 🔗

Just when we were making progress on the importance of living with and appreciating our microbiota, along came Covid hysteria. Once again the world is viewing virii as the “enemy” to be eradicated, in stead of organisms crucial to our survival as a species.

There will always be micro organisms, old and new ones, many have been around forever – we are just getting better at recognizing them.

We can either kill them all, as 70% alcohol on your hands will kill coronavirus along with your normal hand microbiota, or you learn to live in harmony with your “bugs”.

I would rather live the “infectious” lifestyle, thank you very much!

From the University of Washington:

“We humans are mostly microbes, over 100 trillion of them. Microbes outnumber our human cells ten to one. The majority live in our gut, particularly in the large intestine
The microbiome is the genetic material of all the microbes – bacteria, fungi, protozoa and viruses – that live on and inside the human body.
The number of genes in all the microbes in one person’s microbiome is 200 times the number of genes in the human genome. The microbiome may weigh as much as five pounds.
The bacteria in the microbiome help digest our food, regulate our immune system, protect against other bacteria that cause disease, and produce vitamins including B vitamins B12, thiamine and riboflavin, and Vitamin K, which is needed for blood coagulation.
The microbiome was not generally recognized to exist until the late 1990s.”

299627 ▶▶ DavidC, replying to Liewe, #389 of 1227 🔗

FYI, the microbiome can refer to the gentic material or to the microorganisms themselves.

DavidC

299699 ▶▶ kf99, replying to Liewe, 1, #390 of 1227 🔗

And until this year the woke/green left / BBC etc would have been against the use of chemicals and in favour of the natural approach.

299801 ▶▶ Ben, replying to Liewe, #391 of 1227 🔗

Hand sanitiser may be harmful if it enters the bloodstream and kills off beneficial bacteria. It makes a mockery of consuming probiotics

299468 swedenborg, replying to swedenborg, 1, #392 of 1227 🔗

https://twitter.com/preppy57/status/1337690145840111616 Is this fake news or not? I think it is real but someone with Italian knowledge could check this video and comments.
This is not some Eastern European country or former state in the Soviet union some years ago with families waiting to receive food parcels.
This is Milan in Italy the richest part of Italy. The country which invented the National Lockdown (China/SK regional).These families are waiting for food parcels not PCR tests.

299476 ▶▶ Cecil B, replying to swedenborg, 3, #393 of 1227 🔗

The great reset in pictures for those who are slow on the uptake

299480 ▶▶ Julian, replying to swedenborg, 2, #394 of 1227 🔗

Looks real enough to me

From the comments, seems like this has been going on for a while, pre-covid

299491 ▶▶ calchas, replying to swedenborg, 1, #395 of 1227 🔗

Given what has been happening in Italy – with the economy and so on – it would be more surprising for me if that wasn’t happening.

299481 swedenborg, replying to swedenborg, 6, #396 of 1227 🔗

https://twitter.com/itsonebiglie/status/1338025674213298176

 The best satire for a long time.New rules for speech in Tier 1,2 and 3.

299501 ▶▶ NorthumbrianNomad, replying to swedenborg, 2, #397 of 1227 🔗

Hilarious – I wish the whole video was there. However, quite a disturbing number of people commenting (three, by my count) who seem to think it’s actually true. I suppose this just goes to show how far down the rabbit hole everyone has gone.

299531 ▶▶ Cecil B, replying to swedenborg, #398 of 1227 🔗

Is a link to the full video available?

299668 ▶▶▶ swedenborg, replying to Cecil B, #399 of 1227 🔗

Sorry,don’t know but a good laugh as it is.

299489 Ned of the Hills, 1, #400 of 1227 🔗

>>>>A bottle of champagne to anyone who can translate it into plain English.<<<

It’s simple.

Mr Billy-Ray Belcourt is working very hard on contriving a lot of twaddle for people to get worked up about in coming years.

299498 swedenborg, replying to swedenborg, 5, #401 of 1227 🔗

https://twitter.com/ClareCraigPath/status/1338053782979170307 Clare Craig is a star. Digging up this article. Relevant for C-19? https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6038767/ Detection of Respiratory Viruses in Deceased Persons, Spain, 2017 During the 2016–17 influenza season in Spain, we tested specimens from 57 elderly deceased persons for respiratory viruses. Influenza viruses were detected in 18% of the specimens and any respiratory virus in 47%. Only 7% of participants had received a diagnosis of infection with the detected virus before death.

299530 ▶▶ TJN, replying to swedenborg, 1, #402 of 1227 🔗

That is a telling stat.

299639 ▶▶▶ swedenborg, replying to TJN, 1, #403 of 1227 🔗

Especially the figure of 7 corona virus(the old ones) in 57 autopsies

299747 ▶▶▶▶ TJN, replying to swedenborg, #404 of 1227 🔗

I interpreted the data as suggesting that in the order of 39% (i.e. 7/18) of the deceased group who tested +ve for the influenza would have been listed as dying ‘with’ or ‘of’ the influenza had it not been for the testing – with clear implications for our covid death stats (and not all of these, of course, had +ve covid tests). Hence our number of actual covid deaths, ‘with’ and ‘of’, would be a fraction of that publicly quoted – with the further inference that the number of deaths ‘of’ covid is indeed a small fraction of the quoted total.

The authors of the report see things in a different light though:

Only a small proportion of deceased persons whose respiratory virus was detected in the postmortem test had been hospitalized and received this diagnosis before dying; therefore, the contribution of viral infections to death may be underestimated. Deaths related to respiratory viruses could be distributed among all causes of death.

 Then again, my grandparents knew that if a cold ‘goes down on your chest’ it could lead to trouble, at any age. When the human body starts to break down it is easy prey to respiratory infections: that’s about all we can say, and we’ve known this for ever. Until 2020 that is.

299612 ▶▶ Sarigan, replying to swedenborg, 2, #405 of 1227 🔗

I shared some of her work the other day. The response:

‘Pay no attention, she is not a practising doctor according to the GMC and should not use social media to discuss medical matters let alone use the title of Dr’.

Some are complete lost clauses.

299664 ▶▶▶ swedenborg, replying to Sarigan, 2, #406 of 1227 🔗

Complete nonsense. She is qualified doctor and a pathologist but not registered at the moment with GMC(Many qualified doctors, retired or not working in NHS/Private practice are not registered to stop paying extortion money and abiding GMC’s bureaucratic rules to stay onregister).Dr Fauci, who hasn’t seen a patient for 50 years, and is essentially
a top bureaucrat, is well respected in MSM.99% of public heath experts you see on MSM are not practicing doctors,in fact the competent Consultants in Communicable Disease Control,which are the ones trained in the field,are almost never seen in BBC or MSM.

300100 ▶▶▶ PastImperfect, replying to Sarigan, #407 of 1227 🔗

I would suggest the reply was from the SS (77th) and that you reply with a snide, belittling remark.

299507 Dorian_Hawkmoon, replying to Dorian_Hawkmoon, 7, #408 of 1227 🔗

Initial cost benefit analysis of lockdowns (and the just as important fear mongering), prompted by the total absence of govt ones worldwide (why?) from US doctor Sebastian Rushworth. He reviews several serious published papers and sets out the stark key ‘years lost’ findings in heart attacks, stroke, school closures and also notes the terrible leap in child head trauma cases in London (i.e. violent domestic attacks on children). I am so bewildered by apparently sane people standing up and defending these appalling restrictions and the equally damaging fear mongering. How can they defend the horrific costs like children being bashed around the head and ending up in A&E?

https://sebastianrushworth.com/2020/12/13/what-are-the-harms-of-lockdown/

299817 ▶▶ Nigel Sherratt, replying to Dorian_Hawkmoon, #409 of 1227 🔗

Sebastian Rushworth is a junior doctor in Stockholm, who studied medicine at the Karolinska Institute.

299513 NorthumbrianNomad, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, 19, #410 of 1227 🔗

Germany in total lockdown from Wednesday until January 10.

Europe (which includes Britain) is committing suicide before our eyes.

299526 ▶▶ Cecil B, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, 11, #411 of 1227 🔗

The lights are going out all over Europe we don’t know if we will see them lit again in our lifetime

299716 ▶▶▶ annie, replying to Cecil B, 1, #412 of 1227 🔗

Don’t loll about waiting fir others to light lamps. Light your own.

299534 ▶▶ Julian, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, 4, #413 of 1227 🔗

I’d be curious to know from any German LSers or anyone who follow German politics what they think is going on there

As I commented the other day, we’ve had some “excess death” here which could plausibly be attributed to covid so there’s something vaguely concrete to point at – this has not been the case in Germany, so there I suppose it’s just the threat or the perception

Merkel decided on lockdowns so now she has to carry on?

299552 ▶▶▶ nottingham69, replying to Julian, 2, #414 of 1227 🔗

Yes your conclusion looks sound.

299571 ▶▶▶▶ NorthumbrianNomad, replying to nottingham69, 9, #415 of 1227 🔗

I don’t follow German politics, but with sixteen federal administrations competing for competence, the federal government is obviously going to choose the most draconian option in the end. I have German friends and I can’t talk to them because they are completely shut to discussion on the subject. Old people are dying. Social responsibility to old people. Evil Sweden let its old people die. Can fix the economy can’t fix a dead body and so on and so forth. The progressivist cult of reason has encountered its lethal trap.

299974 ▶▶▶▶▶ Borisbullshit, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, 1, #416 of 1227 🔗

Old people dying? Wow thats never happened before! We must not allow this…something must be done! I know things are shit here but maybe Europe is now starting to revert to its fascist past and also Merkel grew up in communist East Germany.

299536 ▶▶ Will, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, 7, #417 of 1227 🔗

And Germany “did so well” in the spring. The virus is going to do what the virus is going to do.

299558 ▶▶▶ NorthumbrianNomad, replying to Will, 5, #418 of 1227 🔗

It’s a wonder Europeans ever got anything done in the winter. Clearly the place is a death trap for nine months of the year.

299810 ▶▶▶▶ Nigel Sherratt, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, #419 of 1227 🔗

My theory is that the crap weather lead to enlightenment and industrial revolution because lying about eating whatever came to hand wasn’t an option.

299856 ▶▶▶▶ Old Bill, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, #420 of 1227 🔗

Very true, you never saw Cliff Richard make a film and a song called ‘Winter Holiday’ did you?

299594 ▶▶▶ A. Contrarian, replying to Will, #421 of 1227 🔗

Yes – my brother used to be very fond of holding up Germany as the shining example of Covid management…

299577 ▶▶ Templeton, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, 3, #422 of 1227 🔗

Nicely timed for next week here in UK.

299960 ▶▶ Ben, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, 2, #423 of 1227 🔗

There is no democracy anymore. Imagine governments treating millions of law abiding citizens like criminals

The Houses of Parliament should be turned into a museum. It is already a living museum

299520 crimsonpirate, replying to crimsonpirate, 16, #424 of 1227 🔗

went to a certain bar I frequent. Sat at the bar ordered drinks as I normally do. No need to order a substantial meal. Chatted with some of the regulars as I do most Saturdays-providing there is no lockdown. Yesterday was a little busier than normal as it was Christmas so there was quite a bit of singing and dancing. Today, it struck me these are the same 20 or so people I have seen all year in this place…but no covid.

299546 ▶▶ RickH, replying to crimsonpirate, 24, #425 of 1227 🔗

You put your finger on a common observation.

All of us who are statistically literate know that you have to be massively cautious about translating one’s own experience and perceptions into a general observation.

But we now have nine months of both data and experience – and both sets of information lead to the overwhelming probability of the relative infrequency of Covid infection in population terms, and, conversely, the massively overstated picture given by absurd use of PCR testing. Essentially, it is the Mike Yeadon thesis that stands up to scrutiny – of a viral outbreak sinking to endemic background levels.

Make no mistake – my boxes are all ticked that tell me personally to not to get Covid. I am not sitting in La La Land in blithe ignorance. But my risk I can deal with, thank you very much, Nanny – and it is far outweighed by the absurdity of the social damage done by the warped risk assessments of crap scientists suddenly standing, blinking in the light of a stage upon which to posture.

299584 ▶▶▶ FenTyger, replying to RickH, 2, #426 of 1227 🔗

I agree in every respect.

299645 ▶▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to RickH, 1, #427 of 1227 🔗

I agree with that. Still open to the idea that there are nefarious reasons for the psuedo epidemic being sustained. The destruction it is causing has to be worth it for someone on the inside

299986 ▶▶▶▶ crimsonpirate, replying to BeBopRockSteady, #428 of 1227 🔗

right now, I can imagine we will be in the same situation in 12 months. Partial lockdowns, strongly supported in opinion polls but wilfully ignored in practice

299975 ▶▶▶ Borisbullshit, replying to RickH, #429 of 1227 🔗

Great post.

299982 ▶▶▶ crimsonpirate, replying to RickH, #430 of 1227 🔗

I agree too. I take precautions;vitamin D, avoid crowds, take exercise, watch the diet. These are things which are a continuation of what I did pre covid. It has meant I rarely get ill and take days off work. However I am OK with drinking in a bar with others. I accept the risk in the same way that I go into Costa coffee 2 or 3 times a week. Right now, it’s tricky getting a table as it is always busy. Then there is the issue of the toilets. Unlike most pubs, coffee shops usually have one cubicle used by everyone.
When it comes to hospitality it’s pretty to identify where the risks might lie.

299527 swedenborg, replying to swedenborg, 10, #431 of 1227 🔗

Will this new article be reported in MSM?

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/32632523/
Effects of surgical and FFP2/N95 face masks on cardiopulmonary exercise capacity

“Ventilation, cardiopulmonary exercise capacity and comfort are reduced by surgical masks and highly impaired by FFP2/N95 face masks in healthy individuals. These data are important for recommendations on wearing face masks at work or during physical exercise”.

One comment on the article
https://twitter.com/KristenMeghan/status/1337954670128603137

 I am a Sr. Industrial Hygienist. No one should be in these masks. NO ONE. It goes against everything in my career field and I’ve been in it for 18yrs. Take them off!!!!

299540 ▶▶ Basileus, replying to swedenborg, 4, #432 of 1227 🔗

This is very significant.

299590 ▶▶ RickH, replying to swedenborg, 4, #433 of 1227 🔗

The key point is that the known disbenefits have always outweighed any observable benefit.

… and it makes bugger all difference.

299976 ▶▶▶ Borisbullshit, replying to RickH, #434 of 1227 🔗

Wish I could see some observable benefits…all I see is economic and cultural carnage.

299613 ▶▶ Sara, replying to swedenborg, 2, #435 of 1227 🔗

What is even more interesting is the twitter thread that follows that comment, from Kevin McKernan, which talks about masks having the effect of nebulising the larger droplets into small droplets and nebulising is used as a medical technique because smaller droplets penetrate deeper into the lungs. I might have oversimplified his thread. I am not a medical person, so do read the twitter thread.

299636 ▶▶▶ swedenborg, replying to Sara, 3, #436 of 1227 🔗

This is correct and he has an important twitter thread about this. The “science” behind masks that it stop large droplets.When these instead are nebulising them into smaller droplets which is much more airborne and would spread longer distances.This could be an explanation of the enormous outbreaks in mask wearing in Southern European countries with an absolute mandatory mask wearing and minimum distancing, thinking masks protect them.

299754 ▶▶▶▶ TJN, replying to swedenborg, 1, #437 of 1227 🔗

Speculative, circumstantial, but attractive and even compelling.

Take them off!!!!

300150 ▶▶ azazel, replying to swedenborg, #438 of 1227 🔗

When in doubt, do the experiment…I took my pulse oximeter with me on a trip to Tesco this weekend. Reluctantly got masked up (for research purposes only) and spent a very uncomfortable hour getting the shopping done. My normal O2 saturation is as near 100% as makes no difference, to my surprise it was the same after the masked ordeal. Make of that what you will, I assume it’s simply that the mask leaks air so much that I might as well not be wearing it.

299533 mojo, replying to mojo, 12, #439 of 1227 🔗

Why is it that every single time I read about papers, reports and information regarding the decisions taken by Government on Covid, it always leads back to Germany, Merkel and China/WHO. We have supposedly left the EU. Why are we still being controlled by them.

Japan, Taiwan, Korea, Sweden, Estonia and even Russia have all decided to make their own decisions according to their own independent science.

Until we stop voting for Governments who really do not want to put UK first, we are going to walk into full blown socialism, with all its lies and deceptions

299545 ▶▶ Nottingham69, replying to mojo, 3, #440 of 1227 🔗

Couldn’t agree more. Merkel has an iron control of all Europe and it seems she wishes to stay in power longer, using CCP Virus to delay elections. When Merkel said German sports stadiums had to stop admitting spectators, every EU member state did the same at the same time, even Poland and Hungary. Doing what Germany says is not what Bunter should be doing for sure, even as an arse covering plan.

299548 ▶▶ nottingham69, replying to mojo, 2, #441 of 1227 🔗

Couldn’t agree more. Merkel has an iron control of all Europe and it seems she wishes to stay in power longer, using CCP Virus to delay elections. When Merkel said German sports stadiums had to stop admitting spectators, every EU member state did the same at the same time, even Poland and Hungary. Doing what Germany says is not what Bunter should be doing for sure, even as an arse covering plan.

299582 ▶▶ RickH, replying to mojo, 3, #442 of 1227 🔗

Brexit delusions aren’t up to coping with reality. Never were.

And again – the path to this situation was carved out by the impulse of global deregulated capital, not any ‘socialism’ (however defined).

The pain of cognitive dissonance when idols fall!

299802 ▶▶▶ Nigel Sherratt, replying to RickH, #443 of 1227 🔗

The pain when oligarchical collectivism falls.

300487 ▶▶ Jo Dominich -, replying to mojo, #444 of 1227 🔗

It’s full blown Fascism under this Govt.

299543 ▶▶ Tom Blackburn, replying to Awkward Git, 2, #446 of 1227 🔗

Aren’t most hamsters locked down in cages anyway? Don’t know what the fuss is. Maybe take them little wheels away so they expel less Rona.

299542 Scotty87, replying to Scotty87, 43, #447 of 1227 🔗

Pt 1

When the dust finally settles on this era of Covid-induced hysteria, the usual suspects in the worlds of media, politics and popular culture will seek to spin this significant chapter in our lives as an inspirational tale of human resilience and unity.

They will say that despite being locked within the jaws of a deadly pandemic, millions of acts of sacrifice and charity ensured that society was able to adapt to every challenge put before it, and we will emerge as a stronger, better people having endured such suffering.

Except, the enormous bulk of this suffering hasn’t come from the trail of death Covid-19 has left behind – no, it has come directly from the draconian, fascistic edicts inflicted on the citizenry by the ruthless political classes and their deranged, monomaniacal advisors. A virus with a survival rate for many of 99.9% cannot cause a healthy young man or woman to lose their job in a pub, theatre or airline. A crippling policy designed to inflict maximum damage on those industries however is much more plausible.

In the same way the complicit mainstream media are happy to misallocate blame for the economic bonfire we face on “Covid” rather than the politicians who are holding the petrol and matches, there is also very little appetite to deviate from the consensus that the pandemic has largely brought out the best in humanity. Again, this is yet more insidious propaganda to protect politicians from criticism for the very inhumane ways people have been treated under their New Normal regime. The focus tends to dwell on the doorstep clapping and rainbows rather than the aged and comorbid being forced to die alone in nursing homes, for instance.

299544 ▶▶ Scotty87, replying to Scotty87, 43, #448 of 1227 🔗

Pt 2

For this has been an exceptionally cruel period of human history, and whereas it lacks the sickening, unique violence of the 1940s, the callous disregard for life still persists to this day. Society cannot claim to have moved on when thousands of vulnerable people were effectively euthanised by intentionally sending them into Covid hotbeds. Society cannot claim to move on when elected governments continue to terrify their own people to the point where many are choosing to die at home in agony rather than seek hospital treatment.

Similarly, a society that enforces irrational, arbitrary rules that forces women to suffer miscarriages without a partner’s comfort, or stops children from comforting their grieving, elderly mother at her husband’s funeral is one that is clearly bereft of compassion and humanity. Again, all of this for a disease that over 99.9% of the healthy working population will survive – is this really the altar we want to sacrifice empathy and basic human decency on?

We have also seen respected servants of society succumb completely to the misanthropic, callous cult of the New Normal. Consider the many scientists and public health officials, especially those with power to influence policy. Many have shown that they are completely blind to the colossal human suffering lockdowns have inflicted, calling for yet more destruction to society as they chase even greater influence and rewards through vested interests. Consider the police, who turn a blind eye to real crime only to terrorise innocent members of the public who dare to flout an increasingly mind-boggling set of freedom-infringing restrictions. The same police force who genuflected before Black Lives Matter in June, only to brutally assault anti-lockdown protestors a few months later. All in the name of “keeping us safe” of course.

299547 ▶▶▶ Scotty87, replying to Scotty87, 37, #449 of 1227 🔗

Pt 3

Consider those teachers, who rather than beg to get back into the classroom to start repairing our childrens’ severely disrupted educations, instead demanded all pupils must wear dehumanising masks and spoke of them as if they were diseased, dangerous entities. Consider those GPs who happily turned away suffering patients in their droves, insisting on phone calls or Zoom chats rather than much needed face-to-face appointments. A point to mention; I respect the fact that some of these individuals may have their hands tied by the truly dreadful “rules” passed down to them by the politicians, but we have seen far too many examples of overreach to suggest that this is exclusively a problem of simply having to follow orders. The sadistic, totalitarian actions of such individuals must never be forgotten.

As for the general public itself, I suspect a sizeable number are now against further lockdowns, but only because the damage of economic ruin has quickly surpassed anything that the virus could throw at us. Early on in the pandemic, too many were revelling in watching government cash slosh about in their bank accounts, freedom and liberty the last words on their mind as they held their daily barbecues and garden parties. Even today, there are people who speak fondly of those hazy early summer days spent in subsidised house arrest – a truly disturbing mindset when you consider the avalanche of suffering and death the lockdowns brought with them. They are either criminally ignorant or unforgivably selfish.

Polls continue to show significant support for further severe measures to “control the virus” and even support for restricting the freedoms of people who refuse to be vaccinated – we can only hope that such polls have been manipulated, or we really are descending into a cesspit of a society warped by fear, hysteria and loathing.

In conclusion, the Covid era has ruthlessly exposed the bubbling totalitarianism and shocking disregard for life that lurks beneath the surface of even the most civilised societies. The trigger for this shift has certainly been supported by the months of relentless propaganda churned out by the government’s behavioural scientists, working in lockstep with the devious mainstream media, Big Tech and Big Pharma corporations who seek to ensure that this crisis does not go to waste. Those who reinforce the Covid narrative have been brainwashed by such institutions into believing that they are “saving lives” – an egregious lie which must be vigorously challenged every time it arises.

299550 ▶▶▶▶ Scotty87, replying to Scotty87, 51, #450 of 1227 🔗

Pt 4

If we readily submit to the demands of our oppressors, we can look forward to an eco-fascist, dystopian future where the human race will be reduced a herd to be constantly tracked, traced and perhaps pumped with yet more experimental concoctions which have the potential to cause limitless harms. Make no mistake, the powers that be have no intention of fully surrendering the enormous control they now possess over our daily lives. For a swath of the general public this warning will come too late; they have been successfully broken by the state and may never recover completely.

As for the rest of us, fighting to restore the “Old Normal” must now become a paramount civic duty. Those responsible for the sheer devastation caused must be mercilessly pursued until they are toppled just like the dictators of yesteryear. We must restore the humanity and freedoms society has willingly conceded in this age of coercive propaganda and psychological manipulation.

The first step to achieving this goal of course is to refuse to comply, starting now and continuing indefinitely.

299576 ▶▶▶▶▶ CGL, replying to Scotty87, 8, #451 of 1227 🔗

That is such a great post (well 4 posts)

299951 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Scotty87, replying to CGL, #452 of 1227 🔗

Thanks CGL!

299623 ▶▶▶▶▶ SionnachAirgid, replying to Scotty87, 4, #453 of 1227 🔗

Permission to copy and paste please

299948 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Scotty87, replying to SionnachAirgid, #454 of 1227 🔗

Absolutely!

299756 ▶▶▶▶▶ TC, replying to Scotty87, 1, #455 of 1227 🔗

Cracking posts.
Well done.

299950 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Scotty87, replying to TC, #456 of 1227 🔗

Thank you TC.

300486 ▶▶▶▶▶ Jo Dominich -, replying to Scotty87, #457 of 1227 🔗

Brilliant I’m beginning to think moving to North Korea or China is looking more attractive by the day!

299564 ▶▶ Ben, replying to Scotty87, 12, #458 of 1227 🔗

I don’t believe it was hysteria, but rather a planned and coordinated war of opportunism designed to contain and control a financial system collapse. Still ongoing

(See Ernst Wolff and Reiner Fuellmich)

299897 ▶▶▶ A leaf, replying to Ben, 2, #459 of 1227 🔗

Exactly my thoughts.

299849 ▶▶ Old Bill, replying to Scotty87, #460 of 1227 🔗

In the same way the complicit mainstream media are happy to misallocate blame for the economic bonfire we face on “Covid” rather than the politicians who are holding the petrol and matches, there is also very little appetite to deviate from the consensus that the pandemic has largely brought out the best in humanity.

And thus, every ‘Covid Night’ (date still to be decided) images of lockdownsceptics will be burnt atop bonfires for the rest of eternity.
To mix both my metaphors and my seasons you will witness the ritual ‘crucifixion of truth’.

299553 swedenborg, replying to swedenborg, 15, #461 of 1227 🔗

https://apps.who.int/flumart/Default?ReportNo=6
https://twitter.com/JohnDStats/status/1338079221638377472
“If flu disappeared, did the usual 250000 to 500000 flu deaths (WHO estimate) also disappear in 2020? Should we re-evaluate the real burden of Covid? 1.33 to 1.58 million deaths?

This is incredible and almost biological implausible. Influenza viruses, one of the “smartest” virus around with enormous mutation capacity to evade our immune system being replaced by a “stupid” rather stable coronavirus? (Using stupid and smartest as quoted by a virologist).

 Influenza has always been with us and now suddenly disappear? We have had our old coronaviruses circulating concurrently with flu viruses before without this displacement.

299560 ▶▶ RickH, replying to swedenborg, 19, #462 of 1227 🔗

Whole aspects of the narrative are falling apart under scrutiny.

… and yet the Bollox goes on.

299578 ▶▶ CGL, replying to swedenborg, 1, #463 of 1227 🔗

Daughter studying English Lit has just introduced me to your namesake. I am not as well educated on such things as she or you! 🙂

299583 ▶▶ Dan Clarke, replying to swedenborg, 3, #464 of 1227 🔗

It can’t have disappeared, there was an ad on TV last night telling us to get a flu vaccination, not a covid vax, a flu one

299604 ▶▶▶ RickH, replying to Dan Clarke, 2, #465 of 1227 🔗

Yes. I’ve been thinking that it’s ‘Make up your f.ing mind’ time.

299596 ▶▶ OKUK, replying to swedenborg, 12, #466 of 1227 🔗

I will quote yet again a stat I came across earlier this year – old people who die of respiratory disease have an average of 14 pathogens in their lungs. I am sure lots of people dying have both flu and Covid but they are only, as we know, being tested for Covid. The 14 pathogens average figure underlines that old people’s lungs are an ecosystem for pathogens, and that to vaccinate against respiratory disease is to make available ecological niches for novel pathogens in the future – an extremely dangerous road to go down.

299631 ▶▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to OKUK, 4, #467 of 1227 🔗

Every year GP surgeries age selected to be satellite site sfor tracking flu. If you have symptoms you’ll be asked to attend that surgery rather than your regular to lower the outbreak risk. That’s where you’ll be tested. I know here in Northern Ireland these have now been used for Covid testing instead. I am not 100% on that but I do remember reading something from HSCNI about two months ago.

The standard response is always that it must be the masks and hand washing, we’ve complied so well.

Idiotic doesn’t even cover it.

299619 ▶▶ mhcp, replying to swedenborg, 6, #468 of 1227 🔗

Viruses are older than human beings and yes it is absurdly stupid to think that the flu has “disappeared” rather than the more mundane and ugly reality that it just wasn’t being recorded in the same way.

Because once thine eyes are touched by the grace of Covid, thy shalt see only its beauty

299797 ▶▶ Nigel Sherratt, replying to swedenborg, 1, #469 of 1227 🔗

Death will be the only reliable statistic when this is all over (and taxes needed to pay for it all of course).

299554 thinkharder, replying to thinkharder, 16, #470 of 1227 🔗

If this ever COVID madness ends I hope we can “drain the swamp” – can’t believe I’m using a Trump phrase! The whole sorry lot of inter-dependent autocrats who have sowed fear, anxiety and economic disaster for the majority to feed their own greed for power and money need to be prosecuted, jailed and banned from office or influential positions if guilty. They are removing the rights and freedoms that our predecessors were willing to die for on the back of a virus that is slightly more dangerous than normal flu and no where near Spanish flu. I think where we are heading at the moment is reminiscent of Nazi Germany and Stalin’s Russia. It is frightening. I hope we can pull back from it and start behaving like rational, fair and reasoning adults in a democracy.

The broadcast media need clearing out, especially the BBC who are effectively paid for out of a tax. I want cold facts presented without spin or bias from news or current affairs programs.

If COVID-21 magically appears next year we know it’s all over (Conspiracy theory from Canada). God forbid a real crisis occurs – there’ll be no money left to deal with it. The poor old duped population has no idea what will hit us when we have to deal with the debt being built up. No austerity? Are you dreaming? It’ll make 2008 look like trivia.

299743 ▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to thinkharder, 3, #471 of 1227 🔗

The one thing we ought to have learned from this current crisis is that the entire Establishment has proved ineffectual and well past its sell-by date. We now need something on a par with the Great Reform Act of 1832, Parliament Act 1911, Irish Home Rule Act 1914, and Representation of the People Act 1918 all rolled in together.

The actual nuts and bolts of this would take a book. Or two.

299559 Ben, replying to Ben, 56, #472 of 1227 🔗

2020 was the year I lost respect for scientists – because scientists have lost respect for science

As politicians, they are corporate-owned whores – bought and paid for. The paper trails of ‘funding’ usually lead back to the Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation

Thanks to whore-scientists our human rights are trashed

299568 ▶▶ RickH, replying to Ben, 5, #473 of 1227 🔗

Wild angry generalisations don’t cut the mustard. It’s bad science and scientists that are the problem – and the financial and political backing they receive. The real issue is not individuals or groups like ‘scientists’ – as the many good scientists quoted here testify.

299609 ▶▶▶ Ben, replying to RickH, 32, #474 of 1227 🔗

We’re allowed wild, angry generalisations when the world has been destroyed – as if by a world war (and the worst is yet to come) by the sanction of ‘science’ – which is supposed to be the pursuit of truth. Like those doctors who joined the Nazi party en masse in Germany – their oaths to patients and to humanity turned to betrayal. In this case scientists’ public standing has lent legitimacy to this massive crime against humanity

I realise there are many decent scientists such as Sucharit Bhakdi and Wolfgang Wodarg et al. They are heroes. But if the corrupt scientists can use ‘science’ for evil, then science is no longer worthy of the god-like status it enjoys. Combined with the inhumane torturous experiments inflicted on apes; the involvement in weapons and the military and pharma goals – I have lost respect for ‘science’, which has descended into capitalist inhumanity

299988 ▶▶▶▶ Borisbullshit, replying to Ben, 5, #475 of 1227 🔗

I think there is a major problem with allowing the gradual takeover of life by ‘scientists’ of any ilk….good or bad. They tend to be very myopic and only focus on their own little obsessions. They ignore the bigger picture and should only ever be allowed to advise in a passive way. That way their advice can be ignored if its consequences will be catastrophic like with this.

299586 ▶▶ OKUK, replying to Ben, 15, #476 of 1227 🔗

There was a guy, Thomas Kuhn, who drew a lot of fire some decades back for treating science as a social phenomenon, not a set of objective rules that scientists followed. I think we have to say he was right. That’s not to say there aren’t scientific principles, but it is to says that science is a lot more about contending for position, and having access to money or exercising the power of patronage. These days of course it is also about how you present to the media, creating a powerful narrative that supports your theories.

Also, some areas of inquiry lend themselves to application of scientific principles and others don’t. With say geology, metallurgy, and chemistry, for instance, it’s difficult to be selective about evidence. But with something like epidemiology it’s the easiest thing in the world. Once politics and commercial interests infect the discipline, as they have big time in the case of epidemiology, you can kiss goodbye to science as a set of objective principles.

299600 ▶▶▶ Basileus, replying to OKUK, 5, #477 of 1227 🔗

Thomas Kuhn, ‘The Structure of Scientific revolutions’. One of my heroes.

https://www.amazon.co.uk/Structure-Scientific-Revolutions-Thomas-Kuhn/dp/0226458083

299601 ▶▶▶ RickH, replying to OKUK, 3, #478 of 1227 🔗

Kuhn was identifying the social dimension in influencing how science progressed – what choices are made.

He wasn’t negating the concept of scientific method.

299632 ▶▶▶▶ OKUK, replying to RickH, 7, #479 of 1227 🔗

I never said he was. But his approach was a radical departure at the time and he made clear that science did not develop by reference to objective criteria alone, it was a social consensus phenomenon.

I think if you throw in politics and commercial interests, you can see how scientific consensus could regress into a highly subjective phenomenon . I would say that’s what’s happened with epidemiology. It’s similar to what happened with science in the Soviet Union under the Bolsheviks, except for the absence of commercial interests. Scientists these days have to ask a lot of questions of their thesis before they get to the important one of “Is it true?”: “Is it acceptable to PC ideology?”, “Will it attract funding?”, “Will asking the question cost me academic preferment?” and “Will I be able to promote my narrative in the media?”

These non-scientific questions are less important in a field like cosmology that is not a subject of commercial interest and which has no obvious human dimension (other than observation perhaps). But they are highly relevant in epidemiology.

299990 ▶▶▶▶ Borisbullshit, replying to RickH, #480 of 1227 🔗

He did talk about ‘paradigm shifts’ though…and we seem to be in one of those!

300088 ▶▶▶▶ David Grimbleby, replying to RickH, #481 of 1227 🔗

I do get repetitive in this, but see Science Fictions, Exposing Fraud, Bias, Negligence and Hype in Science, by Stuart Richie, to see ‘science’ exposed as the sham it can be.

299814 ▶▶▶ Arkansas, replying to OKUK, 1, #482 of 1227 🔗

See also: Paul Feyerabend and ‘Against Method’ and ‘Farewell to Reason’. If Kuhn tackles the “socialness” of science in context, then Feyerabend tackes the “scienceness” (or lack thereof) of science as practiced.

299603 ▶▶ Two-Six, replying to Ben, 41, #483 of 1227 🔗

I have lost all respect for all medical people. I have lost respect for all UK citizens. I have lost any respect I might have had (very little) for all politicians. I have lost respect I have (if any) for all governmental institutions.

For me now the world is full to bursting with brainwashed lying bastards.

299681 ▶▶▶ Paul, replying to Two-Six, 5, #484 of 1227 🔗

I couldn’t agree more 2-6.

299711 ▶▶▶ annie, replying to Two-Six, 9, #485 of 1227 🔗

True. But there’s always us.

299881 ▶▶▶▶ Bella Donna, replying to annie, 3, #486 of 1227 🔗

Once again I thank Toby for supplying us with a oasis to commiserate together.

299992 ▶▶▶ Borisbullshit, replying to Two-Six, 3, #487 of 1227 🔗

I decided some years ago that government was not my friend. When I was younger i thought it was the solution to all ills. Its very difficult to hold that view anymore..

299610 ▶▶ Smelly Melly, replying to Ben, 13, #488 of 1227 🔗

Its politicians who have politicised science. If a scientist wants to keep his/her jobs then they have to toe the party line, if not they are fired or side lined. Look at David Bellamy, he said the wrong thing about climate change (previously known as Global Warming) and he was fired from the BBC, never to be seen again on tv.

299618 ▶▶ mhcp, replying to Ben, 7, #489 of 1227 🔗

Thomas Huxley called this over a century and a half ago.

The great tragedy of science – the slaying of a beautiful hypothesis by an ugly fact.

Facts always come out even from bad measurements

299709 ▶▶▶ annie, replying to mhcp, 5, #490 of 1227 🔗

Now we have ugly hypotheses that are immune to beautiful facts.

299626 ▶▶ matt, replying to Ben, 16, #491 of 1227 🔗

Broadly speaking, there seem to be 3 camps of scientists and “scientists” that have developed.

The first is the group that have either become so invested in their own narrative that led to lockdown in the first place that they’re unable to move away from it, or have an agenda or motivation other than the genuine greater good which is motivating them. Unfortunately, this is the group that governments are apparently listening to and the best you can say for them is that they are pursuing science with a very limited focus and have been choosing to respond to the worst case scenario (as opposed to the balance of probability) since the beginning of the year. This camp includes a significant proportion of people whose expertise has little or nothing to do with the progress of a virus. They also get the airtime, because what they say suits the narrative.

The second group comprises people who are pursuing actual science and doing their best to be heard, at real risk to their own careers and reputations. Unfortunately, they’re struggling to be heard outside “alternative” media. The mainstream media aren’t interested in them, social media would prefer to censor them and governments aren’t listening to them, at least partly because they’re getting no traction in the media or with the public. I have the impression that this group is at least as large as the first, but it’s noticeable that they’re overwhelmingly either retired or so eminent that they’re beyond having their careers destroyed. They also seem to be the group that has the highest proportion of people from disciplines genuinely related to viruses and epidemics.

The third are mostly medics (not scientists, but working in a science related field) who are basically going along with it because they’re not thinking about it too hard.

This isn’t the fault of science or scientists in general, it’s the fault of a scientifically illiterate and sensationalist media, an incurious public longing to be told what to do and governments held hostage by both.

299671 ▶▶▶ Ben, replying to matt, 9, #492 of 1227 🔗

I have more respect for Native American culture and their reverence for nature

299730 ▶▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to matt, 4, #493 of 1227 🔗

The first group get more airtime because they help sell newspapers and get eyes staring at the gogglebox. The second group aren’t commercially viable as far as the MSM are concerned.

299589 Cecil B, replying to Cecil B, 17, #494 of 1227 🔗

Typical BBC covid propaganda

Charlie Pride aged 86 year has died of covid

Have you noticed how these articles always publish photos of the individual taken at least 30 years previously: presumably to prompt an ‘ooohh!! so young’ response in Covidians

WTF? he was 86, I’ll take 86

The comments of Dolly Parton are beyond stupid

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-55292500

299595 ▶▶ RickH, replying to Cecil B, 14, #495 of 1227 🔗

Christ! If I could look forward to getting to 86, and then dropping dead, I’d be turning somersaults!

299879 ▶▶▶ Bella Donna, replying to RickH, #496 of 1227 🔗

TBH if this crazy world and brain dead idiots are still around when I hit the 80s I don’t want to be here!!

299598 ▶▶ alw, replying to Cecil B, 1, #497 of 1227 🔗

Torygraph too.

299655 ▶▶ Liam, replying to Cecil B, 3, #498 of 1227 🔗

A sharecropper’s son from Mississippi dies aged 86. This is remarkable only in the length of life he led. RIP though, a great talent.

299717 ▶▶ Marialta, replying to Cecil B, 2, #499 of 1227 🔗

They reported on Radio 4 that he died of ‘ covid complications’’ I wonder if this is yet another neologism we are going to hear more of “ going forward” 🙀

299591 A. Contrarian, replying to A. Contrarian, 40, #500 of 1227 🔗

Awful article in the Spectator by Melanie McDonagh. Her Father in Law has died “of Covid” and it’s basically a rant about how all the other selfish, careless people in the world have killed him (because FIL, of course, was “scrupulously” careful so it must have been someone else’s fault).

Of course I sympathise with her grief, but bearing in mind she is in her 50s, then I would expect FIL to be around 80, possibly well into his 80s. She doesn’t mention his age or state of health (wonder why). I fully expect my 80 yo FIL to be gone by the time I’m in my 50s, as he currently has terminal cancer. All of my grandparents died several years ago in their 80s, my granny from breathing difficulties after a “respiratory illness” that no one cared to name.

I’m sure she is grieving, but all the same it’s a terrible article. Covid is a “deadly pathogen” and a “spiteful virus” and she goes on to describe having lunch in a London restaurant (sounds essential, for someone so concerned about viral spread) and watching some thoughtless young people kissing and hugging – don’t they know that they will take it home and kill someone? Carelessness kills!

The comments at least show that readers are not best impressed…

299597 ▶▶ Tom Blackburn, replying to A. Contrarian, 16, #501 of 1227 🔗

Selfish cunts don’t see how selfish they are. It never ceases to amaze what an astonishing lack of self awareness these people have. I think the only appropriate response is to attack them with their own weapons. Call her dead Dad a Rona spreading animal.

299599 ▶▶ Two-Six, replying to A. Contrarian, 18, #502 of 1227 🔗

The poor old bugger probably ran out of energy wiping his shopping down with bleach or from starvation waiting for it to “become safe” before he brought it in from the garage.

299605 ▶▶▶ OKUK, replying to Two-Six, 6, #503 of 1227 🔗

Perhaps it was the virtue signalling that got to him. Probably a merciful release in the end.

299602 ▶▶ OKUK, replying to A. Contrarian, 43, #504 of 1227 🔗

So in honour of her father in law she wants to destroy family life, stop young people having fun together, wreck our education system, hobble our health service, exterminate our culture and bring our economy to a grinding halt.

Now, that’s what I call selfish.

299616 ▶▶ mhcp, replying to A. Contrarian, 24, #505 of 1227 🔗

The penny never drops that the cold and the flu are also deadly. It’s like talking about a deadly tiger over there whilst petting a lion

299617 ▶▶ Alan P, replying to A. Contrarian, 3, #506 of 1227 🔗

Apart from the king twat that goes by the moniker Nick Hartman. A com0lete and utter gobshite. He’s (or could be she – unlikely) a total moron and a click baiting piece of scum.

299652 ▶▶▶ Liam, replying to Alan P, 1, #507 of 1227 🔗

Absolutely right about that Nick character.

299649 ▶▶ Dame Lynet, replying to A. Contrarian, 12, #508 of 1227 🔗

Sounds utterly ludicrous. If anyone said that to me, grief or not, I would laugh right in their face. I have truly had enough of the emotional manipulation.

299657 ▶▶ Liam, replying to A. Contrarian, 1, #509 of 1227 🔗

She even admits in the article that Kosovo is under strict lockdown and curfew!

299873 ▶▶ Bella Donna, replying to A. Contrarian, 1, #510 of 1227 🔗

No one can die these days without hysterical rantings from the lockdown zealots.

299876 ▶▶ Graham, replying to A. Contrarian, #511 of 1227 🔗

The comments on McDonagh’s article now seem to have been removed.

300018 ▶▶▶ A. Contrarian, replying to Graham, #512 of 1227 🔗

Not surprised, she might have found it pretty upsetting to read.

300219 ▶▶▶ Borisbullshit, replying to Graham, #513 of 1227 🔗

I wonder why? Is this how its going to be from now on? If someone dies in their 80s it must be someone’s fault…someone has hugged someone in a pub or danced with someone in a nightclub or had a few friends round. Perfectly normal human activities are now being weaponised to blame people for the death of someone who was already close to the point of no return. How long do people expect to live these days? My father died very suddenly at 77 at home and never had to endure the imprisonment and indignity of a care home. My mother died at 97 and had a rotten last few years with dementia and imprisonment. I know who got the best deal.

299607 NorthumbrianNomad, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, 3, #514 of 1227 🔗

Our German friends may be feeling a little low today. I offer solace in the form of the lovely carol Silent Night. I have changed the words a bit.

Stille Nacht, einsame Nacht
Alles schläft; einsam wacht
Nur die traute Obrigkeit.
Wahret eure Leichtgläubigkeit!
Schlaft in himmlischer Ruh!
Schlaft in himmlischer Ruh!

299608 ▶▶ NorthumbrianNomad, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, 4, #515 of 1227 🔗

(Silent night, lonely night,
All are sleeping except the trusted authorities.
Nurture your gullibility!
Sleep in heavenly peace.)

299792 ▶▶▶ Nigel Sherratt, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, #516 of 1227 🔗

Mutti fulfilling her alloted task.

300230 ▶▶▶ Borisbullshit, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, #517 of 1227 🔗

Brilliant…pity its illegal to sing it!

299614 Basileus, replying to Basileus, #518 of 1227 🔗

There is some twitter chatter about the CDC admitting that only 6% of Covid related deaths are caused by Covid. It is based on this report from CDC, but seems to have been over-hyped. See what you think:

https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/nvss/vsrr/covid_weekly/index.htm

299635 ▶▶ RickH, replying to Basileus, 6, #519 of 1227 🔗

The problem that I see is that phrase : “involving Covid”.

Really all you can say from those figures is that a bit less than 10% of deaths ‘involve’ Covid – which, given the hype would certainly surprise the ordinary Jo, I guess.

But that leaves open the question of how instrumental Covid was as an agent in that 10%. But, given the known lethality of influenza and pneumonia, and the confusion around Covid as a primary agent, there is little to support the idea that Covid alone is a tremendously significant factor in the overall picture.

Let’s face it, the mythology and its crap data has muddied the water beyond belief for any attempt at clear attribution.

299640 ▶▶▶ Basileus, replying to RickH, #520 of 1227 🔗

Yes, that was essentially my take also.

299615 BeBopRockSteady, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 2, #521 of 1227 🔗
299622 ▶▶ Ben, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 5, #522 of 1227 🔗

Human rights come first

299704 ▶▶▶ annie, replying to Ben, 3, #523 of 1227 🔗

Human rights have been abolished.

299624 Cheezilla, replying to Cheezilla, 9, #524 of 1227 🔗

Try not to despair:

Government announces drive to find asymptomatic cases in areas under tier 3 restrictions

According to government figures, roughly one in three people who have coronavirus do not display any symptoms, meaning they are more likely to inadvertently spread the disease. The government hopes to identify these asymptomatic cases through community testing to break the chain of transmission.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/dec/12/community-testing-for-covid-19-to-be-rolled-out-in-tier-3-parts-of-england

meaning they are more likely to inadvertently spread the not to have the disease

That’s better!

299647 ▶▶ RickH, replying to Cheezilla, 9, #525 of 1227 🔗

They are getting desperate to keep the hysteria going!

299692 ▶▶▶ annie, replying to RickH, 5, #526 of 1227 🔗

Grauniad does its best to help.
The paper for the semi-educated hyperzombie.

299831 ▶▶▶▶ Two-Six, replying to annie, #527 of 1227 🔗

Hyperzombies!!!!!!!!!!

299656 ▶▶ DavidC, replying to Cheezilla, #528 of 1227 🔗

That should be fun after vaccinations are being rolled out, where the vaccine reduces symptoms but doesn’t stop vaccinated peopl from ‘catching’ Covid19!

DavidC

299750 ▶▶ Marialta, replying to Cheezilla, 2, #529 of 1227 🔗

I’ve just received my invitation to take part in the swab test survey! I’m in tier 3. They have chosen me at random apparently. No Way Jose!

299871 ▶▶ Bella Donna, replying to Cheezilla, 1, #530 of 1227 🔗

I am not being tested nor vaccinated for something akin to the flu!

299625 Basileus, replying to Basileus, 1, #531 of 1227 🔗

This looks like some sort of Common Law judgement. Can anyone see the wood for the trees? I like the sentences handed out though.

https://exopolitics.blogs.com/international_criminal_co/2020/12/judgment-of-the-tribunal-in-the-matter-of-genocidal-technologies-pandemic-on-the-indictment-genocide-crimes-against-human.html

299633 ▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Basileus, 1, #532 of 1227 🔗

Some interesting names among the judges!

299638 ▶▶▶ Basileus, replying to Cheezilla, #533 of 1227 🔗

Indeed.

299628 Bruce Reynolds, replying to Bruce Reynolds, 93, #534 of 1227 🔗

Myself and seven other hardcore sceptics have just led an impromptu Xmas sing along in our local Asda, the muzzle free choir let rip and surprisingly a good few customers dropped the muzzles and joined in, great atmosphere and feeling… now of to the speakeasy for a well earned Guinness and I am pleased to say not a scotch egg in sight… keep the faith sceptics….

299634 ▶▶ CGL, replying to Bruce Reynolds, 13, #535 of 1227 🔗

A Legends Choir!

299641 ▶▶ Fingerache Philip., replying to Bruce Reynolds, 14, #536 of 1227 🔗

Well done, Bruce, keep up the good work.

299643 ▶▶ Basileus, replying to Bruce Reynolds, 12, #537 of 1227 🔗

I am proposing a similar flash mob around one of our local Christmas Trees next weekend.

299769 ▶▶▶ Bruce Reynolds, replying to Basileus, 9, #538 of 1227 🔗

Go for it,people are thirsting for the OLD normal sing your hearts out…

299683 ▶▶ Ewan Duffy, replying to Bruce Reynolds, 3, #539 of 1227 🔗

What would be better would be 7 sceptics surrounding a ‘rona marshall and doing the same.

299694 ▶▶ annie, replying to Bruce Reynolds, 7, #540 of 1227 🔗

Brilliant, well done!
Don’t knock Scotch eggs, though. Some have nice tenor voices. Haggis are usually bass. Black bun is basso profundo.

299718 ▶▶▶ TheOriginalBlackPudding, replying to annie, 1, #541 of 1227 🔗

And whisky (even Penderyn 🙂 ) has notes.

299724 ▶▶ dommo, replying to Bruce Reynolds, 4, #542 of 1227 🔗

top man!

300276 ▶▶ Snake Oil Pussy, replying to Bruce Reynolds, 2, #543 of 1227 🔗

Well done to everyone who has taken part in events like these. But for those of us who are desperate to get back to singing in a choir how do we find out about such events? Without altering the Stasi / MI5 / Thinkpol to their existence.

300417 ▶▶ sam, replying to Bruce Reynolds, #544 of 1227 🔗

so great you did this and others joined in,my nigborhood is all believers in the new religion , they all wear masks out of doors i do have one neighbor who is not a sheep and a friend in a neighboring town too ill a sk them if they want to

299642 Silke David, replying to Silke David, 44, #545 of 1227 🔗

Germany is going into full lockdown on Wednesday until 10th January at least.
I am losing the will to live. (although I am here in Britain and “luckily” in Tier2, but not taking much advantage as I cannot go along with all the “guidelines”)
My parents in Germany, retired but very active, are in despair.
Sadly not sceptics, so my father blames it on the people who “still congregate and break the rules”.
As all the others, the German government has learned NOTHING the last 6 months, namely that wearing a mouthnosecovering and lockdowns do not work, but just turn people against them and drive them into poverty and suicide.
In September media reported about studies that children are not being harmed, the last week this opinion has changed.
I just do not get it. How can people STILL be SO STUPID and think they can “beat the virus”.
This is an upper respiratory infection common in winter, and no excess deaths or serious illness. Like all countries, Germany had to shut down wards and intensive care beds due to a chronic shortage of qualified staff as they do not pay them enough.
I am so angry today! And fed up, fed up. fed up.
About to go to the farmers market, with all it’s restrictions and probably 80% muzzled despite being outdoors.
When I briefly ventured out yesterday I had to go back home as the sight of no-faces was just too disturbing!

299648 ▶▶ Jonathan Palmer, replying to Silke David, 17, #546 of 1227 🔗

The German government is obviously following the Globalist plan.They judge that the population is compliant enough to get away with a lockdown over Christmas.It is guaranteed that we will follow in the New year

300240 ▶▶▶ Borisbullshit, replying to Jonathan Palmer, #547 of 1227 🔗

Yes get out while you still can…if you live in Tier 3 go to the nearest Tier 2 and stuff the police.

299653 ▶▶ Ben, replying to Silke David, 14, #548 of 1227 🔗

This is fascism. But humanity and dissent can never be completely extinguished

A friend of mine phoned last night. He said “this year has shown how evil politicians are”. I was slightly taken a back, because this is someone whose life revolves around television soap operas and sport – not politics

It may be the collapse of the economic system that we’re witnessing

https://m.youtube.com/watch?feature=youtu.be&v=8LYjOEib9iI

299666 ▶▶ Charlie Blue, replying to Silke David, 8, #549 of 1227 🔗

I feel for you, Silke! And I just cannot tolerate the seas of faceless robots either.
If you can bear to write about it, I would be interested to know what is being claimed in Germany about children being harmed?

299667 ▶▶ Ovis, replying to Silke David, 6, #550 of 1227 🔗

Could this be the state’s reaction to the lead story ATL? Double down. Push harder.

The current generation of politicos witnessed the fall of the Berlin Wall at a formative time in their lives. They are determined not to make Honneker’s mistake: showing weakness.

299695 ▶▶ annie, replying to Silke David, 7, #551 of 1227 🔗

Poor old Germany. There is a global pandemic of fear, lies and oppression.
The faceless zombies are indeed a nauseating sight.

299864 ▶▶▶ Bella Donna, replying to annie, 7, #552 of 1227 🔗

Not just in Germany its across the whole western world, we are under attack by our own governments.

299912 ▶▶▶▶ OKUK, replying to Bella Donna, #553 of 1227 🔗

Are they “our own” or are the governments under the influence and control of China, Russia, Saudi Arabia , Qatar or billionaires with bottomless pockets.

299862 ▶▶ Bella Donna, replying to Silke David, 3, #554 of 1227 🔗

My understanding of the German people is they are absolute sticklers for rules so will be reluctant to go against herd mentality. Saying that looking around at the masked zealots here we have a similar mentality too.

299888 ▶▶ Graham, replying to Silke David, 3, #555 of 1227 🔗

Worst decision since letting in all those clever and polite immigrants a few years ago. Or perhaps worst decision since invading Poland.

299644 Voz 0db, replying to Voz 0db, 7, #556 of 1227 🔗

This XXI Century GLOBAL SCAM AND FRAUD labelled “SARS-CoV-2 / COVID-19”

is following the exact steps of the

XX Century GLOBAL SCAM AND FRAUD labelled “HTLV-III/LAV / GRID”

later rebranded “HIV/AIDS” due to gay sensitivity issues!

Just look at Slovakia!

Very soon this will be an “HIV” 2.0 Global SCAM & FRAUD where one that tests “positive” will be persecuted.

This is already happening:

More than 3.6 million Slovaks – two thirds of the population – took part in a widely-watched nationwide coronavirus testing programme over the weekend with 1.06% testing positive for the disease.

The country carried out a nationwide testing programme over two days, from 31 October–1 November, where 3.6 million people received a rapid antigen test for Covid-19. All those receiving a positive test result were placed in mandatory quarantine for ten days.

The scheme to test the bulk of a country in two days is being studied by other nations looking for ways to slow the virus and avoid overwhelming their health systems.

A total of 38,359 people – or 1.06% – of those who took part tested positive and must quarantine, Prime Minister Igor Matovic told a news conference.

This is absolutely hilarious since the ENTIRE POINT of the miracle vaccine is to force the Organism to produce antibodies!

I guess the SCIENTOLOGY CULT is growing really fast…

299660 ▶▶ Hieronimusb, replying to Voz 0db, 2, #557 of 1227 🔗

‘I guess the SCIENTOLOGY CULT is growing really fast…’

Perhaps we should replace the PCR/LF tests with E meter readings; no doubt equally reliable, faster, and more fun.

299741 ▶▶▶ Voz 0db, replying to Hieronimusb, #558 of 1227 🔗

That would work like a miracle!

299774 ▶▶ OKUK, replying to Voz 0db, 2, #559 of 1227 🔗

Bit fair on scientologists who appear relatively sane in comparison.

299910 ▶▶▶ OKUK, replying to OKUK, 2, #560 of 1227 🔗

Unfair I meant of course.

300352 ▶▶▶▶ Voz 0db, replying to OKUK, #561 of 1227 🔗

I got iTT!

299646 Basileus, replying to Basileus, 3, #562 of 1227 🔗

I has a Zoom meeting with some fellow sceptics earlier this morning.. At one point a new member appeared muted, (no audio or video) but with the name ‘COVID 19’. It was suggested that this may have been a spook, so we immediately changed the topic to a Boris assassination attempt. Will they come for me?

299650 ▶▶ IanE, replying to Basileus, 6, #563 of 1227 🔗

I don’t know – but remember, failure is not an option!

299722 ▶▶ Cecil B, replying to Basileus, 2, #564 of 1227 🔗

Careful. The fuckers don’t do humour. They will lock you up

299852 ▶▶▶ Basileus, replying to Cecil B, #565 of 1227 🔗

Drat.

299651 Zak Thelotofem, replying to Zak Thelotofem, 6, #566 of 1227 🔗

Preaching to the converted but worth a read:

“So, what can we conclude from all this? Very simply, lockdown and the fear-mongering that goes with it almost certainly kills many more people than it saves, and it certainly results in many more years of life lost.”

https://sebastianrushworth.com/2020/12/13/what-are-the-harms-of-lockdown/

299661 ▶▶ Liam, replying to Zak Thelotofem, #567 of 1227 🔗

He’s been a star right from the off.

299788 ▶▶▶ Banjones, replying to Liam, #568 of 1227 🔗
299654 OKUK, replying to OKUK, 13, #569 of 1227 🔗

What’s happened and is happening in the States should worry us all, given how much lockdownism and masking have been used to protect and promote electoral fraud. People in the UK are being actively denied information on what’s been going on.

299659 ▶▶ OKUK, replying to OKUK, 3, #570 of 1227 🔗

Independent forensic analysis of a Dominion voting machine has shown there was no human error in a 6000 vote switch to Biden, that was then “corrected” (this was in Antrim County in Michigan). The vote switch was generated by the machine. The plaintiff in the case is seeking removal of a court order preventing full release of the forensic analysis.

299670 ▶▶▶ OKUK, replying to OKUK, 3, #571 of 1227 🔗

Contracts with Dominion prevent election authorities from releasing any information on how they work. It has been reported that the voting machines can generate ballots. That is very likely as all machines have to be tested before an election takes place.

299676 ▶▶▶▶ Hieronimusb, replying to OKUK, 1, #572 of 1227 🔗

Anyone seen Gina Haspel recently?

299736 ▶▶▶▶▶ OKUK, replying to Hieronimusb, 2, #573 of 1227 🔗

Director of the CIA? No – we’re not on speaking terms! Why do you ask?

299706 ▶▶▶▶ OKUK, replying to OKUK, 3, #574 of 1227 🔗

Statistical analysis led by physicist John Droz has shown that the chances of the statistical pattern being the result of genuine voting is more than improbable, it has to be considered impossible (the equivalent of one person winning the lottery 65 consecutive times).

The graphic representation precinct by precinct for voting in Ingham County, Michigan, in 2016 and 2020, makes it clear that there is a huge and inexplicable difference. In 2020 the Biden-Trump lines stay apart with Biden always leading Trump by 50-55% in each precinct. This is more than highly improbable, because the precincts are small -you should be getting a lot of variation from one precinct to another. When you look at the 2016 results you see that is indeed the case – the lines are a mess, criss-crossing over each other which is how it should be if there is an absence of fraud. But not 2020. The more counties that show this pattern, the more improbable the results become until you get to them being totally impossible.

If you google on Droz Ingham 65 Powerball you’ll probably get to the article, unless censorship is being applied.

299749 ▶▶▶▶▶ OKUK, replying to OKUK, #575 of 1227 🔗

An Antifa nutjob stabbed several Trump supporters at a rally in Washington DC. All caught on video.

299679 ▶▶ Sylvia Priest, replying to OKUK, 1, #576 of 1227 🔗

See newsmax Steve Cannon war room for up to date truths

299680 ▶▶▶ Sylvia Priest, replying to Sylvia Priest, #577 of 1227 🔗

Bannen not Cannon!

299766 ▶▶▶▶ OKUK, replying to Sylvia Priest, 5, #578 of 1227 🔗

Bannon not Bannen! ! Lol

Bannon virtually predicted this whole fraud scenario a couple of weeks before thd election and offered advice to the President on how he should react (which he mainly has taken on board, it would seem). However, Bannon did make clear it would be very difficult to overcome the fraud once the MSM declared Biden winner (and thats why, in context, you can see Fox News’ incredibly early and unwarranted “calling” of Arizona for Biden as a deliberate act of treachery on their part).

I have never known such a serious event as this US election fraud. It’s bigger than the Berlin Wall coming down, bigger than the Vietnam War. Probably only the Cuba missile crisis could run it close. We aren’t talking about a marginal act of fraud. This is wholesale, colossal fraud. Trump won by a landslide as the honest results in Texas and Florida strongly suggest.

299777 ▶▶▶▶▶ Nigel Sherratt, replying to OKUK, 3, #579 of 1227 🔗

Robert Barnes and Richard Baris too (as did Trump!). Barnes cashed out his bets on the night as soon as they stopped counting at four in the morning because he knew what was coming and so made money even this time. The same trick that was used on Nixon to win 1960 for Kennedy. Waiting for Republican areas to declare so they knew how many votes to manufacture.

299781 ▶▶▶ Banjones, replying to Sylvia Priest, #580 of 1227 🔗

And ‘Front Page’ on Youtube (unless it’s been removed, in which case google it) is one that gives a lot of up-to-date information.

299684 ▶▶ Ben, replying to OKUK, 7, #581 of 1227 🔗

What’s most annoying about the hysterical noise emanating from the mouths of Democrats who are busy ridiculing those who are rightly calling out voter fraud, is their utter hypocrisy. For years, these same Democrats have been blaming Russian interference in American elections

I wonder what Gore Vidal would think of events, since he despised the Democrats and Republicans in equal measure

299745 ▶▶ OKUK, replying to OKUK, 6, #582 of 1227 🔗

And news on the Biden crime family…Joe Biden claims no knowledge of his son’s business dealings. But there is an e mail on Hunter Biden’s laptop which shows him requesting frkm a building manager keys for his office mates: Joe Biden, Jill Biden and Jim Biden – and a representative of, wait for it, a Chinese tech company. Now ain’t that cosy?

299662 mhcp, replying to mhcp, 13, #583 of 1227 🔗

Maybe it wasn’t widely distributed but Rudy Guilliani tested positive for Covid during his country-wide tour of the US. He had trouble breathing and went to hospital. It’s a high end hospital and he received stellar treatment.

However when they tested him it was pneumonia. He even said himself he didn’t even realise that was what it was.

This is the reason he’s now back out there. They gave him a course of drugs and he’s out.

How many of similar Covid cases would have received that same scrutiny?

299669 ▶▶ Liam, replying to mhcp, 8, #584 of 1227 🔗

Off topic I know but literally nobody in the US has done more for black Americans than Rudy Guilliani. Thousands and thousands of black people are alive today because he and Bill Bratton went to war on crime.

299674 ▶▶▶ Will, replying to Liam, 5, #585 of 1227 🔗

And completely changed New York as a city, for the better.

299678 ▶▶▶▶ Liam, replying to Will, 5, #586 of 1227 🔗

Until it was destroyed almost overnight this year.

299703 ▶▶▶▶ Jaguarpig, replying to Will, 2, #587 of 1227 🔗

I went in 1990 and it was hell on earth never went back for 10 years and it was completely changed for better, but you could see it slipping back when Debozo got in, doubt I will ever return now, glad I managed over 30 visits

299713 ▶▶▶▶ mhcp, replying to Will, #588 of 1227 🔗

For a time it is apparently safer than London. Though even in recent years London shot up in the risk stakes with knife crime

299672 ▶▶ Charlie Blue, replying to mhcp, #589 of 1227 🔗

Very interesting! I had heard about the positive test, but not what came next. Did he test negative for Covid subsequently, do you know?

299693 ▶▶▶ mhcp, replying to Charlie Blue, #590 of 1227 🔗

Not sure. He was on Steve Bannon’s War Room talking about it. He got the green light anyway so maybe he did. It’s more that time was taken to find out what was actually up with him rather than force him into a Covid protocol.

299697 ▶▶▶▶ Charlie Blue, replying to mhcp, 1, #591 of 1227 🔗

Yes, I agree. Just curious since the zeitgeist would have it that the pneumonia was irrelevant if there was a positive covid test.

299698 ▶▶ annie, replying to mhcp, 3, #592 of 1227 🔗

How many were not Covid?
Better put, how many were Covid? Precious few, I’ll bet.

299725 ▶▶▶ mhcp, replying to annie, 2, #593 of 1227 🔗

Yep Annie. You could see this from the start in the UK. Claire Craig even talks about it in the video linked in the comments. Medical practioners believing in Covid diagnoses due to bad tools and confirmation bias. Not seeing the alternatives. And I expect NHS managers didn’t help with all the policy flip flops they were and continue to make.

I also think that we may have seen a spike in general acute respiratory conditions in elderly people due to the intentional lack of beds and the change in care pathway, sending them back into homes with coughs and colds developing. In that mess there is most probably the real Covid signal, small as it is.

The more this goes on the more you can see that the real virus is Not Admitting You Have Made A Mistake.

299723 ▶▶ OKUK, replying to mhcp, 2, #594 of 1227 🔗

I think these days “pneumonia” is counted more as a symptom isn’t it, judt meaning filling up of lungs with fluid? So you can have viral pneumonia or bacterial pneumonia for instance. As I understand it he tested positive for Covid. Viruses can facilitate bacterial growth which is why antibiotics are often prescribed, even if the original infection is a virus like flu.

299729 ▶▶▶ mhcp, replying to OKUK, #595 of 1227 🔗

Yes however pneumonia is a cause of death as you can see in official figures. And before this Covid nonsense it was often put as a main factor, and hence was counted as a respiratory death, or a contributing one.

299779 ▶▶▶▶ OKUK, replying to mhcp, #596 of 1227 🔗

A cause of death can be a symptom – pneumonia would be anlagous here to “drowning” (doesn’t say whether you were pushed in, fell in or were committing suicide).

299727 ▶▶ PoshPanic, replying to mhcp, 1, #597 of 1227 🔗

So when they do a proper investigation, they find out it’s pneumonia, sepsis, other respiratory illness etc

299675 Charlie Blue, replying to Charlie Blue, 3, #598 of 1227 🔗
299778 ▶▶ PatrickF, replying to Charlie Blue, 2, #599 of 1227 🔗

Of course it is. Let me guess. The EU seeks greater clarity on what a free, independent, sovereign country is and Boris needs to ask ‘the experts’

299787 ▶▶ Bella Donna, replying to Charlie Blue, 2, #600 of 1227 🔗

As soon as Bozo flew out there it was a dead certainty!

299677 Ewan Duffy, 1, #601 of 1227 🔗

https://www.dublinlive.ie/whats-on/food-drink-news/irishpubs-dublin-restaurant-lockdownrules-level3-19446492

This seems to be an interesting way to get round the requirement to have a meal with your drinks (in Ireland). I haven’t checked the underlying legislation so not sure if it is legal but certainly drives a coach and horses through the restrictions.

299686 Al T, replying to Al T, 27, #602 of 1227 🔗

With the Tiers set to be reviewed this Wednesday, inevitably, the BBC finds a platform for another NHS doom monger. This time, a Chris Hopson, CEO of NHS Providers.

To the surprise of no one, the narrative is of any relaxation of restrictions leading to an ‘overwhelmed’ NHS.

As usual, the BBC makes no comment as to why all of our lives and freedoms are subject to and contingent upon the smooth operation of the NHS. Or why the level of people contracting Covid is so high IN HOSPITAL! In my area, Brighton and Sussex NHS trust, hospitals were responsible for a quarter of all Covid cases between August and November.

Maybe the NHS could do something about its infection control protocols before hectoring and lecturing the rest of us. Perhaps our politicians could look at the NHS ‘ own data and insist they get their house in order.

Maybe I’ll flap my arms and fly to the moon.

299701 ▶▶ FenTyger, replying to Al T, 4, #603 of 1227 🔗

He’s a complete ****. Another one getting money for doing naff all, paid for by us. Just add him to the list.

299715 ▶▶ Biggles, replying to Al T, 18, #604 of 1227 🔗

Have just heard that my builder’s 87-year-old grandad had to go into hospital and caught Covid while he was there. Happily he has made a full recovery so his story won’t be on the BBC anytime soon.

299846 ▶▶ Basileus, replying to Al T, 2, #605 of 1227 🔗

Chris joined NHS Providers as chief executive in September 2012 after a career in politics, commercial television and the civil service .

Chris leads the organisation, with a particular emphasis on setting strategy, senior stakeholder management, acting as the principal public voice of the organisation and representing the provider sector on a range of NHS system level committees.

chris.hopson@nhsproviders.org

It appears that his scientific credentials are less than overwhelming.

299994 ▶▶▶ OKUK, replying to Basileus, #606 of 1227 🔗

I know someone who worked with him a few years ago. Let’s just say they were less than complimentary. Don’t know why JHB let’s him spout BS unimpeded.

299687 swedenborg, replying to swedenborg, 16, #607 of 1227 🔗

This is not satire but real life San Francisco. This is Absurdistan.
https://twitter.com/MattHaneySF/status/1337943904767811584
https://twitter.com/danielkotzin/status/1337869209938710529
https://twitter.com/aginnt/status/1337963224759726080
“This is a real SF supervisor and he isn’t joking. SF COVID law also includes no kissing on dates. If you kiss, you need to move in together. Waiting on rules for more intimate scenarios. In 2020, Texas, Florida, and South Dakota are now more libertine than SF.
“In-person dating is no longer banned in San Francisco. But you can only date outdoors and no double dates.
 “In San Francisco, it is illegal to come within 6 feet of anyone not in the same household for social reasons. Even masked. Even outside. Even masked AND outside. So, traditional sex is a crime if the lovers don’t live together. How does anyone find this to be acceptable?

299702 ▶▶ annie, replying to swedenborg, 3, #608 of 1227 🔗

Hippydom has gone rotten. Once, everything was allowed. Now, nothing is.

300483 ▶▶▶ Jo Dominich -, replying to annie, #609 of 1227 🔗

The Gay Community must be really struggling with that one! !!

299938 ▶▶ Ben, replying to swedenborg, 1, #610 of 1227 🔗

There are fascists all over the world. Some have smiley faces.. Most have pharma shares or tech shares

299688 swedenborg, replying to swedenborg, 3, #611 of 1227 🔗

Comparing Spanish flu with C-19 US

https://twitter.com/kylamb8/status/1337914813046009856

 Some context: 1-in-1,150 have died with a positive test in U.S. Average/median age of death roughly 78. According to the CDC about 675,000 or 1-in-153 of 103 mil. Americans died in 1918 flu. Ave. age of death was 28. It dropped life expectancy 12 yrs

299712 ▶▶ PoshPanic, replying to swedenborg, 1, #612 of 1227 🔗

The huge problem with comparisons to 1918, are that we’ve had major advancements in medicine and science since then. It’s a bit of a head scratcher really, on the one hand we’re being told how science can answer all our problems, yet on the other, it’s completely not capable of dealing with a respiratory disease.

299809 ▶▶▶ RickH, replying to PoshPanic, 5, #613 of 1227 🔗

The 1918 epidemic was in a totally different time, and at this distance it’s still not clear whether there was more than one epidemic event.

What is clear is that 2020 is nothing like it.

300084 ▶▶▶ PastImperfect, replying to PoshPanic, #614 of 1227 🔗

Fauci published a paper with the conclusion that SF was bacterial and not actually the flu.

300126 ▶▶▶▶ swedenborg, replying to PastImperfect, #615 of 1227 🔗

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2599911/
Predominant Role of Bacterial Pneumonia as a Cause of Death in Pandemic Influenza: Implications for Pandemic Influenza Preparedness
In this article they state that lung samples from the Spanish flu pandemic clearly showed in the majority of patients’ secondary bacterial pneumonia. An implication that if antibiotics were invented and available at the time many lives would have been saved.
“If severe pandemic influenza is largely a problem of viral-bacterial copathogenesis, pandemic planning needs to go beyond addressing the viral cause alone (e.g., influenza vaccines and antiviral drugs). Prevention, diagnosis, prophylaxis, and treatment of secondary bacterial pneumonia, as well as stockpiling of antibiotics and bacterial vaccines, should also be high priorities for pandemic planning.
 One of the co-authors is Fauci.Never heard of him discussing the superinfection of bacteria possibility in C-19. Other priorities.

299767 ▶▶ Noumenon, replying to Cheezilla, 1, #617 of 1227 🔗

I often wonder if they make these stories up. Yes, there are stupid people, but it’s an invaluable way to get free advertising.

299708 Cecil B, replying to Cecil B, 34, #618 of 1227 🔗

Our daughter has just received a text from our granddaughters school

A child in her year has just tested positive and as a result our granddaughter must ‘self isolate’

She is four years old

What sort of feckin idiot gets their 4 year old child tested?

She has a sister who is 7 who attends a different school. The 7 year old is still allowed to go out and go to school, and their mother is not required to isolate

These people are feckin mad

My advice to her; turn you phone off until after Christmas, and in the meantime keep them home from school and away from these evil bastards

Thank god we still have lamposts

299714 ▶▶ Sasha, replying to Cecil B, 7, #619 of 1227 🔗

This is clearly another false positive.
Children under 10 don’t even have flu receptors.

299768 ▶▶▶ Banjones, replying to Sasha, 9, #620 of 1227 🔗

And, above all – it should be illegal to test children under 16. (I’d say under 60, but I suppose some of those might be grown up enough to make up their own minds.)

299731 ▶▶ RickH, replying to Cecil B, 16, #621 of 1227 🔗

Our grand daughter is just coming to the end of a similar ‘quarantine’ period.

Anyone with a brain should be able to see that this is a total farce, given what is known about schools and children.

299737 ▶▶ Charlie Blue, replying to Cecil B, 6, #622 of 1227 🔗

Probably someone who has been told by the school that they must get their child tested because they looked a little peaky for 5 minutes, or sneezed.

299776 ▶▶▶ Bella Donna, replying to Charlie Blue, 2, #623 of 1227 🔗

But sneezing isn’t a symptom!

299954 ▶▶ alw, replying to Cecil B, 1, #624 of 1227 🔗

The whole of Brookland Primary School in Hampstead Garden Suburb closed because a couple of young children under 11 tested positive for the virus. Shame on the London Borough of Barnet and the teachers.

299710 PWL, 2, #625 of 1227 🔗

Brexit stuff this weekend. Hiding the fact of the vaccine rollout debacle – that your lockdown-as-marketing alternative media still won’t cover.

Amongst Fear-Mongered Vaccine Rollout Anti-Climax, Old People Being Used As Guinea Pigs

299720 TheBigman, replying to TheBigman, 6, #626 of 1227 🔗

I wonder if the legacy media will report on the slow protest to the lockdown on the M8 today. The police were certainly trying to stop it.

299728 ▶▶ Cecil B, replying to TheBigman, 3, #627 of 1227 🔗

Pray tell more, any pics?

299839 ▶▶ Basileus, replying to TheBigman, #628 of 1227 🔗

The media seem to be suggesting that it is Brexit related.

299732 Ewan Duffy, replying to Ewan Duffy, #629 of 1227 🔗

The new abnormal – a socially distanced dating programme 🙁

https://www.rte.ie/entertainment/2020/1211/1183875-love-is-in-the-air/

299763 ▶▶ Noumenon, replying to Ewan Duffy, 2, #630 of 1227 🔗

They’ll be having arranged marriages next come the great social credits system.

299735 Voz 0db, replying to Voz 0db, 12, #631 of 1227 🔗

Mass PCR Testing an Expensive Blunder

VERY EASY SOLUTION.

If the female wants to “test” negative like the male she just has to choose the right “test” kit!
The same for the male!

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This is what they did to Cristiano Ronaldo CR7 after he complained that “ PCR IS BULLSHIT “!

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And the NEXT DAY he had a negative “test” kit and the day after was playing soccer!

299762 ▶▶ stefarm, replying to Voz 0db, 3, #632 of 1227 🔗

Ha haaa and Lewis wokeydokey Hamilton is looking fit.

The only (false)+ diagnosis that makes you fitter.

299738 annie, replying to annie, 3, #633 of 1227 🔗

Amazon Audible have just offered me this promising volume:

“Drawing from reams of historical data, laboratory experiments, field research, and eyewitness accounts, this comprehensive guide is the only book you’ll need to face the greatest challenge mankind has ever encountered. Granted, you probably already know that skills such as wilderness survival, leadership, and basic first aid are important when fighting off hordes of the undead.
But The Zombie Survival Guide doesn’t stop there, teaching you how to: Identify cases of infection by the zombie virus, Solanum, and recognise the hourly progression of symptoms: ‘Hour 8: Numbing of Extremities and Infected Area, Increased Fever [103-106 Degrees], Increased Dementia, Loss of Muscular Coordination’; choose the right weapon: ‘A Section of Lead Pipe Will Work for a Single Encounter but Is Too Heavy for Those on the Move’; defend your home: ‘A Ten-Foot Cinder-Block Wall, Reinforced with Steel Rods and Filled with Concrete, Is the Safest Barrier in Both Class 1 and Class 2 Outbreaks’; and much more.
The Zombie Survival Guide is the only guide you will need to survive a most certain pandemic.
“Ignorance is the undead’s strongest ally, knowledge their deadliest enemy,” Brooks writes. “Personal choice, the will to live, must be paramount when the dead begin to rise. The choice is up to you.”

****
Might be just what we LSs need…

299842 ▶▶ A. Contrarian, replying to annie, 1, #634 of 1227 🔗

Gosh, there’s a lot of symptoms in common there with Covid. Perhaps Covid causes zombification to occur! All those Long Covid sufferers out there – watch out.

299921 ▶▶ awildgoose, replying to annie, #635 of 1227 🔗

I believe all the zombie-based popular media that has been pushed over the last two or three decades was long-term predictive programming intended to condition humanity into panicking over a pandemic scenario.

299742 richmond, replying to richmond, 49, #636 of 1227 🔗

I’m prepared to bet you a pound that they arranged for the first person to take the vaccine to be William Shakespeare in Warwickshire, and then changed their minds and moved him down the list because they thought that might be going too far and people might get suspicious.

Personally I don’t think it would have made the slightest difference. Our Chief Scientific Adviser was found to have a fortune in drug company shares and no-one minded. Our Health Secretary giggled for a full minute on national television while watching the first people being given the vaccine, and no-one thought that was a bit odd. And the vaccine doesn’t confer immunity so it’s not even a vaccine. And no-one cares about that either.

In fact, I reckon if the first letter of the each of the names of the first eight people to be given the vaccine had spelled out “IT’S A HOAX”, it would have made no difference at all.

299758 ▶▶ stefarm, replying to richmond, 19, #637 of 1227 🔗

All the world’s a stage, / And all the men and women merely players – Shakespeare

First man to get jabbed was………golly gosh….William Shakespeare.

Haaaaaa ha….. can’t make this shit up……but they are

299765 ▶▶▶ Nigel Sherratt, replying to stefarm, 14, #638 of 1227 🔗

Our revels now are ended. These our actors,
As I foretold you, were all spirits, and
Are melted into air, into thin air:
And like the baseless fabric of this vision,
The cloud-capp’d tow’rs, the gorgeous palaces,
The solemn temples, the great globe itself,
Yea, all which it inherit, shall dissolve,
And, like this insubstantial pageant faded,
Leave not a rack behind. We are such stuff
As dreams are made on; and our little life
Is rounded with a sleep.

299773 ▶▶▶▶ PatrickF, replying to Nigel Sherratt, 3, #639 of 1227 🔗

My goodness, could Shakespeare write, or what?
I missed going to The Globe Theatre this year.

299803 ▶▶▶▶▶ OKUK, replying to PatrickF, 2, #640 of 1227 🔗

Yep, the PC mob hate him because he dealt with life as it is rather than we would wish it and because he had such penetrating insight into the human experience. Always think when you get to that point in Desert Island Discs (also PCfied to the point of being unlistenable to a lot of the time) where you’re told you’ve got the complete works of Shakespeare and the Bible, if I had to choose between the two, much as I value the latter for its contribution our culture, I would opt for Shakespeare for the sheer breadth of its insights.

299904 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ annie, replying to OKUK, 1, #641 of 1227 🔗

You need both.
Incidentally, you might enjoy Kipling’s story ‘Proofs of Holy Writ’, which you can read for free here:

http://www.kiplingsociety.co.uk/proofs.htm

299909 ▶▶▶▶▶ annie, replying to PatrickF, 2, #642 of 1227 🔗

Marry, I did much delight in it upon a time, and did spit upon the groundlings from a great height, the which pleased me mightily.

300149 ▶▶▶▶▶ Nigel Sherratt, replying to PatrickF, #643 of 1227 🔗

Yes, so much wisdom and beauty in those few lines.

299759 ▶▶ Winston Smith, replying to richmond, 1, #644 of 1227 🔗

Should have been Aaron Aardvark…

299770 ▶▶▶ Cecil B, replying to Winston Smith, 1, #645 of 1227 🔗

He’s not available he’s driving for Amazon

299789 ▶▶▶ mjr, replying to Winston Smith, #646 of 1227 🔗

and like covid, aardvark never killed anyone

299830 ▶▶▶ Basileus, replying to Winston Smith, #647 of 1227 🔗

Spike Milligan lives!

299771 ▶▶ Jo, replying to richmond, 4, #648 of 1227 🔗

There is a tide in the affairs of men which taken at the flood leads to fortune



299907 ▶▶▶ annie, replying to Jo, 1, #649 of 1227 🔗

Leads ON to fortune

299785 ▶▶ Julian, replying to richmond, 4, #650 of 1227 🔗

All good points

A lot of this is the sunk cost fallacy

People don’t want to be told they’ve been had and it’s all been for nothing

299807 ▶▶▶ OKUK, replying to Julian, 5, #651 of 1227 🔗

Hmm…they could have stopped the whole shit show in the summer and claimed “success”. They didn’t have to keep it going.

299815 ▶▶▶▶ Julian, replying to OKUK, 1, #652 of 1227 🔗

True, though they would have been out on a limb compared to other governments and the opposition so would have thought about the risk when people started dying again

But I was more thinking about the public rather than the government with my comments

299826 ▶▶▶▶ PastImperfect, replying to OKUK, 10, #653 of 1227 🔗

It has never been anything to do with a virus. Global fascist financial reset (and grab the fire-sale bargains while o one else is looking.)

299838 ▶▶▶ A. Contrarian, replying to Julian, 7, #654 of 1227 🔗

The “it’s all been for nothing” part is the crux of it I think. I remember in late summer when they first started mongering about the second wave, a panicking friend quoting “cases” at the time being several times the level of “cases” in April and wailing “I really hope this hasn’t all been for nothing”.

Er yes, it has, because it’s a virus and lockdowns won’t stop it, just delay. The End.

299786 ▶▶ Arkansas, replying to richmond, 8, #655 of 1227 🔗

Margaret Keenan (“Keen Nan”) was cringeworthy enough.

299829 ▶▶ A. Contrarian, replying to richmond, 10, #656 of 1227 🔗

I find it pretty odd that the second person to be jabbed was William Shakespeare from Warwickshire. Not sure I’d have thought it any odder if he was the first.

299837 ▶▶▶ Freecumbria, replying to A. Contrarian, 7, #657 of 1227 🔗

By the pricking of my arm
Something wicked this way comes
(enter the Pfizer vaccine)

300145 ▶▶▶▶ Nigel Sherratt, replying to Freecumbria, #658 of 1227 🔗

[Exeunt omnes]

Fair is foul and foul is fair
Hover through the fog and filthy air.

299861 ▶▶ awildgoose, replying to richmond, #659 of 1227 🔗

Well, the people running this op need to get their jollies somehow.

299746 Angryphon of Tunbridge Wells, replying to Angryphon of Tunbridge Wells, 27, #660 of 1227 🔗

This debacle reminds me of the pyramid schemes in the 90s. Riddle me this I treated a covid positive patient today does that mean I have to self isolate?.Of course not its bollocks because the whole NHS workforce would be at Home using their rules.Wankers!!!

299784 ▶▶ Angryphon of Tunbridge Wells, replying to Angryphon of Tunbridge Wells, 3, #661 of 1227 🔗

Ha reply from Health Board “If I follow infection control protocols I don’t have to”.Well I didn’t so fuck you all.

299827 ▶▶ A. Contrarian, replying to Angryphon of Tunbridge Wells, 7, #662 of 1227 🔗

So why are so many NHS staff off work supposedly self-isolating because they’ve had covid-positive contact? Does contact with sick people at work not count, but standing next to someone in the supermarket queue trigger an alert? Or are they off because family members have tested positive?

299903 ▶▶▶ annie, replying to A. Contrarian, 1, #663 of 1227 🔗

Remember they go straight to the head of the supermarket queue, as the zombie sealiins clap their flippers.

299764 PatrickF, 10, #664 of 1227 🔗

All the world’s a virus,
And all the men and women merely disease vectors.

299775 George Mc, replying to George Mc, 8, #665 of 1227 🔗

“Twenty-one of the 32 are students of colour, 10 are black…”

Is black a subset of colour or something different entirely?

As Captain Beefheart once said, “Everyone is coloured, otherwise you wouldn’t be able to see them”

299780 ▶▶ Two-Six, replying to George Mc, 1, #666 of 1227 🔗

Sounds a bit like apartied to me all these sub-generes of human. Just a tad racist?

299886 ▶▶▶ Country Mumkin, replying to Two-Six, 3, #667 of 1227 🔗

I admit I get very confused with the range of different self-identification pronouns and descriptors.

Doesn’t anyone else think that the obfuscation is a good way to lead us into transhumanism?

299902 ▶▶▶▶ annie, replying to Country Mumkin, 1, #668 of 1227 🔗

I thought transhumanism meant driving sheeples up on to the mountain pastures in the springtime?

299940 ▶▶▶▶ Two-Six, replying to Country Mumkin, #669 of 1227 🔗

There is a box for everybody

299901 ▶▶ annie, replying to George Mc, 1, #670 of 1227 🔗

Well, people like Wancock are pretty transparent.

299782 Jo, replying to Jo, 37, #671 of 1227 🔗

This vaccine.
Rushed out in a fraction of the time any previous vaccine has been (quickest = mumps 4 years)
New technology (mRNA) never used in vaccines (used on the public) before
No data to suggest it stops transmission
No data to suggest it prevents death
No data on how it interacts with other medicines (and those at risk are on average taking at least 8 meds per day)
No data on how it affects immuno-suppressed people
No data on effect on fertility
Questionable efficacy
Indemnity to suppliers
Corrupt pushers and regulators
High level of moderate ADRs
A changed system for recording adverse events (ie those not identified at the time of the trial will not be included in ADRs)
Concern by various scientists about its effects and efficacy (Switzerland won’t touch it at the moment)

Why is anyone taking it?

299793 ▶▶ OKUK, replying to Jo, 2, #672 of 1227 🔗

It’s bleating obvious why!

299794 ▶▶ PatrickF, replying to Jo, 4, #673 of 1227 🔗

Fear.

299805 ▶▶ RickH, replying to Jo, 10, #674 of 1227 🔗

I think you left out :

  • billions of pounds in pre-purchase (unseen) by governments
  • indemnity for producers

What could go wrong?

299806 ▶▶ Country Mumkin, replying to Jo, 11, #675 of 1227 🔗

A very similar question I put to my mother in law. she responded “well if i can get my independence back….” how oxymoronic!

299855 ▶▶▶ GiftWrappedKittyCat, replying to Country Mumkin, 21, #676 of 1227 🔗

I have a friend that said exactly the same. She’ll take anything that means she can get back to normal. She’s an intelligent woman who doesn’t put up with any crap but for some reason she’s completely taken in by all this covid bollocks. I spoke to her earlier and she trotted out the usual bullshit about wearing a mask to protect others. She’s also of the opinion that it’s not a seasonal virus and that the second wave was caused by everyone returning from holidays abroad in September and bringing back different strains with them. I honestly fucking despair, there’s is no hope for some people.

299883 ▶▶▶▶ Country Mumkin, replying to GiftWrappedKittyCat, 10, #677 of 1227 🔗

I fucking despair as well. I’ve definitely got a spectrum management system for how I hold conversations now.

When they are as far gone as your friend and my mother in law, there’s no hope.

I honestly don’t know what’s captivated these types. The Penny definitely hasn’t dropped about their own freedom, that it wasn’t the governments to take away.

299952 ▶▶▶▶ Will, replying to GiftWrappedKittyCat, 4, #678 of 1227 🔗

The people bringing the virus back from holiday theory is so fucking stupid it almost defies belief.

299987 ▶▶▶▶▶ GiftWrappedKittyCat, replying to Will, 2, #679 of 1227 🔗

Absolutely. I couldn’t believe she actually said that, god knows where she’s picked that gem up from because I’ve not heard it said anywhere else, not even on the BBC!

299884 ▶▶▶ IanE, replying to Country Mumkin, 2, #680 of 1227 🔗

And the ‘oxy’ has probably been removed by her muzzles!

299899 ▶▶▶ annie, replying to Country Mumkin, 2, #681 of 1227 🔗

You could omit the ‘oxy’.

300480 ▶▶▶ Jo Dominich -, replying to Country Mumkin, #682 of 1227 🔗

I guess being dead is about as independent as you can get!

299860 ▶▶ Norman, replying to Jo, 5, #683 of 1227 🔗

Didn’t a vaccine for H1N1 flu get rushed out in 1976? I’m afraid it ended badly.

299916 ▶▶ Awkward Git, replying to Jo, 1, #684 of 1227 🔗

But Bill gates and DARPA financed the research into the lipid coatings with Moderna 10 years ago so it must be “safe”.

299942 ▶▶ John P, replying to Jo, 1, #685 of 1227 🔗

There is no point in giving any vaccine to immuno-suppressed people as they work by stimulating the immune system!

In fact it would be dangerous. The smallpox vaccine was not given to such people.

299946 ▶▶ Two-Six, replying to Jo, #686 of 1227 🔗

It’s a sacrifice
We all have to take to protect the community

300019 ▶▶ Andrew K, replying to Jo, 5, #687 of 1227 🔗

Your an anti-vaxxr you deserve to be imprisoned for life. People who post absolute facts are a disgrace. Your initial punishment must be to watch BBC news for 48 hours non stop while wearing a muzzle.

299790 PatrickF, replying to PatrickF, 2, #688 of 1227 🔗

Brexit talks continue. Johnson to announce talks will end on the 12th of Never, or when there are no cases of you know what.

299882 ▶▶ IanE, replying to PatrickF, 3, #689 of 1227 🔗

Sometimes I feel as if I have slipped into a parallel world in which nothing makes sense any more!

300073 ▶▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to IanE, #690 of 1227 🔗

Have felt that way every day since the middle of January. About the time everybody else started panicking.

299791 Zak Thelotofem, replying to Zak Thelotofem, 13, #691 of 1227 🔗

Will anyone in a position of influence wake up and actually give this medication a chance?

Ivermectin induced rapid virological clearance that we observed in this study indicating that the preclinical efficacy of the drug against SARS-CoV-2 9 may be mirrored in patients. Such rapid clearing of SARS-CoV-2 (median 4 days); this is much shorter than the median duration (20 days) of viral shedding in patients with COVID-19, 14 indicate that ivermectin could limit the viral spreading. Collectively, the present findings suggest that ivermectin induced rapid SARS-CoV-2 clearance could reduce COVID-19 disease progression and community transmission.”

https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S030028962030288X?via%3Dihub

299800 ▶▶ GiftWrappedKittyCat, replying to Zak Thelotofem, 19, #692 of 1227 🔗

Don’t be daft. That would mean putting an end to this charade not to mention all the money big pharmaceutical companies would lose from making the vaccines null and void.

299811 ▶▶ Banjones, replying to Zak Thelotofem, 7, #693 of 1227 🔗

Ivermectin was mentioned months ago by Sky News Australia, with one of their own scientists speaking of its development – and how he’d tried to interest their government.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kbIkGbriJXI

299832 ▶▶ Victoria, replying to Zak Thelotofem, 2, #694 of 1227 🔗

COVID Protocol – Paul E. Marik

URGENT! Please circulate as widely as possible. It is crucial that every pulmonologist, every critical care doctor and nurse, every hospital administrator, every public health official receive this information immediately.

Folks: I have updated our approach to COVID‐19 based on the best (and most recent) available literature and the Shanghai Management Guideline for COVID. We should not re‐invent the wheel, but learn from others experience.

2. The course of the disease is quite predictable. Acute respiratory failure occurs on day 6‐8 (due to cytokine storm) . In those patients requiring supplemental oxygen we need to be very aggressive to prevent progression to ARDS. Once ARDS develops the mortality is high.

https://emcrit.org/wp-content/uploads/2020/03/COVID-ProtocolPaulMarikMD-1.pdf

Critical Care COVID-19 Management Protocol
Please refer to the full protocol for optional treatments and explanations.
(updated 11-30-2020)

Mildly Symptomatic patients (at home):

  • Ivermectin 150-200 ug/kg daily for two doses
  • Vitamin C 500mg BID and Quercetin 250-500 mg BID
  • Vitamin D3 2000 – 4000 u/day
  • B Complex vitamins
  • Zinc 75-100 mg/day
  • Melatonin 6-10 mg at night (the optimal dose is unknown)
  • ASA aspirin 81-325 mg/day (unless contraindicated)

In symptomatic patients, monitoring with home pulse oximetry is recommended. Ambulatory desaturation below 94% should prompt hospital admission

https://www.evms.edu/media/evms_public/departments/internal_medicine/Marik-Covid-Protocol-Summary.pdf

299874 ▶▶▶ thinkaboutit, replying to Victoria, 1, #695 of 1227 🔗

Thanks, I have all of that except ivermectin sitting at home. Helpful.

299799 ▶▶ RickH, replying to chaos, 1, #698 of 1227 🔗

The double-header scam for hedge-fund type boot-filling : Brexit to Covid. Give ’em the money, Mabel!

299880 ▶▶ IanE, replying to chaos, 1, #699 of 1227 🔗

Yes – because Boris still has 4 more years to fold!

299808 Country Mumkin, replying to Country Mumkin, 38, #700 of 1227 🔗

More on the Christmas visit to the in-laws: we were asked by other family members not attending lunch at the in-laws, to take a test prior to going. Nope. Not doing that. Ok, they said. A week later, they are now asking if my child (who is in primary school) to limit all social contact for a week up to going to see family. Again. Nope!

Tune in for the next instalment of ‘kill a gran’…

299813 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to Country Mumkin, 19, #701 of 1227 🔗

Absolutely mental that has become paramount in people’s lives

299818 ▶▶ DRW, replying to Country Mumkin, 9, #702 of 1227 🔗

And I thought my family were sheep. At least you have an excuse to get out of seeing them if they’re like that.

299822 ▶▶ A. Contrarian, replying to Country Mumkin, 13, #703 of 1227 🔗

Surely it’s up to the in-laws how much risk they’re willing to tolerate to see their family – not other family members?

It puts me in mind of Caroline Nokes ‘forbidding” her parents to go out and even parking her car across their driveway to box them in. I wonder what they thought about that?

299857 ▶▶▶ Banjones, replying to A. Contrarian, 6, #704 of 1227 🔗

They may be dimwitted enough to be grateful at her display of ”care” for them.

299825 ▶▶ Victoria, replying to Country Mumkin, 4, #705 of 1227 🔗

Good for you

299845 ▶▶ godowneasy, replying to Country Mumkin, 17, #706 of 1227 🔗

It is our duty to prevent granny getting covid over christmas. Grandpa will be next to the open window with a strong cold breeze blowing in – should be good to blow away the old cobwebs. The safest place for granny by far is in the freezer. She might freeze to death but at least she will be virus free.

299869 ▶▶▶ DRW, replying to godowneasy, 4, #707 of 1227 🔗

Masks, gloves and goggles required for safe handling.

299875 ▶▶▶▶ Country Mumkin, replying to DRW, 2, #708 of 1227 🔗

….Of their fragile state of minds.

299872 ▶▶▶ Country Mumkin, replying to godowneasy, 3, #709 of 1227 🔗

Don’t… they are already talking about having both bi-fold doors open and all the windows.

299877 ▶▶▶ Country Mumkin, replying to godowneasy, 2, #710 of 1227 🔗

That was very funny by the way. And I’d quite like to put the rest of my husbands family in the freezer tbh. Chill ‘em p it a bit…

299928 ▶▶▶ watashi, replying to godowneasy, #711 of 1227 🔗

thank you for the laugh!

299878 ▶▶ IanE, replying to Country Mumkin, #712 of 1227 🔗

Yikes: punishment for bigamy? – two sets of in-laws!

299893 ▶▶▶ annie, replying to IanE, 1, #713 of 1227 🔗

Tough on King Solomon, as we have previously remarked.

300067 ▶▶▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to annie, #714 of 1227 🔗

At least King Solomon could do something about in-laws he disliked.

299890 ▶▶ annie, replying to Country Mumkin, 3, #715 of 1227 🔗

Looks like you’ll have an in-law-free Christmas. What’s not to like?

299927 ▶▶ watashi, replying to Country Mumkin, 4, #716 of 1227 🔗

At least you are hopefully? going to be allowed to visit. We are now no longer permitted to Grandma’s on Christmas day (I really can’t imagine ever putting my irrational fears before seeing any grandchildren I may one day be lucky enough to have) as a friend is visiting 3 days before. In retrospect perhaps I should not have mentioned this to brainwashed mother dearest? To me it seems inhumane! nonsensical and ridiculous. I wonder how long we will be considered lepers this time. Last time (trip to London-went on trains-scary stuff you know) it was an arbitrary 11 days.. I don’t find it easy to conceal the truth (feels too much like lying) but perhaps for the sake of my girls who would like to see their grandparents on xmas day I should?

299961 ▶▶▶ DRW, replying to watashi, 3, #717 of 1227 🔗

My friend’s family will be spending christmas over videocalls because they’re too afraid to come over.

299841 ▶▶ Marialta, replying to Awkward Git, 3, #719 of 1227 🔗

Yes LEMSIP

299892 ▶▶ Marialta, replying to Awkward Git, 1, #720 of 1227 🔗

https://www.forbes.com/sites/williamhaseltine/2020/09/23/covid-19-vaccine-protocols-reveal-that-trials-are-designed-to-succeed/#1204ab815247

Thanks AG and here is the Forbes link for those who want to share this brilliantly clear article with others but without the “lockdown sceptics’ header. ( My family just won’t read anything which has the word sceptic!)

299824 Henry, replying to Henry, 1, #721 of 1227 🔗

Has anyone already addressed this papers findings? And can we we just blame men for everything?

https://psyarxiv.com/ch4jy/

299834 ▶▶ RickH, replying to Henry, 3, #722 of 1227 🔗

I don’t think that you need get your gender knickers in a twist about this : such differences aren’t unusual.

The real flaw is in the opening sentence :

“Social distancing and hygiene practices are key to preventing the spread of Coronavirus”

299828 DRW, replying to DRW, 26, #723 of 1227 🔗

I’ve put up some Mabel Cow “Enough” posters today over the council notices in the park next to a primary school. Won’t go down well with the yummy mummies going past there!
I almost want a car park testing tent here, it’ll be ripe for vandalising.

299836 ▶▶ Marialta, replying to DRW, 7, #724 of 1227 🔗

Well done, it feels good doesn’t it!

299847 ▶▶▶ DRW, replying to Marialta, 10, #725 of 1227 🔗

It does, same with stickering and card leaving.

299854 ▶▶ Banjones, replying to DRW, 12, #726 of 1227 🔗

Speaking of car park testing tents…. Has anyone seen an overwhelmed testing station? If not, where are they finding all these hundreds of thousands of dimwits volunteering to have these nasty little completely unnecessary tests?

299858 ▶▶▶ DRW, replying to Banjones, 8, #727 of 1227 🔗

A good guess would be hospital staff who keep wanting two weeks off on full pay.

299931 ▶▶▶ DavidC, replying to Banjones, 1, #728 of 1227 🔗

Don’t they have to pay for the privilege as well?

DavidC

299859 ▶▶ Two-Six, replying to DRW, 13, #729 of 1227 🔗

How about setting up a network of our own “COVID TESTING” tents, where we can test the covidians to see if there is any hope of recovery back to some kind of normal life. Perhaps we could treat them with some leaflets and graphs.

299868 ▶▶▶ DRW, replying to Two-Six, 7, #730 of 1227 🔗

Interesting idea, I have thought of running leaflet stands disguised as marshalls. Would be quite funny if there was also a real one, would confuse the hell out of the sheeples!

299906 ▶▶▶ Janette, replying to Two-Six, 4, #731 of 1227 🔗

Great idea!

299885 ▶▶ annie, replying to DRW, 3, #732 of 1227 🔗

Good work, DRW!

299919 ▶▶▶ DRW, replying to annie, 2, #733 of 1227 🔗

Thanks Annie, I have been inspired by your stickering reports.

300041 ▶▶ Mabel Cow, replying to DRW, 1, #734 of 1227 🔗

Fetchez la vache!

300074 ▶▶ PatrickF, replying to DRW, 1, #735 of 1227 🔗

DRW rules ok

299865 Bella, replying to Bella, 9, #736 of 1227 🔗

Anyone got any more news about JB Fourtillan, the French doctor consigned to psych-ward (a la The Gulag Archipelago) for having the wrong opinion? Looks really sinister to me. Can’t find much on my searches.

299870 ▶▶ Ben, replying to Bella, 4, #737 of 1227 🔗

Oh dear! I hope he’s OK

Sounds reminiscent of the heroic German Medical Lawyer Beate Bahner who was thrown into a ‘psychiatric’ cell

If Amnesty International cared about these matters they’d provide updated info, otherwise it would be useful if someone created a Facebook, Twitter, Instagram etc account dedicated to those who’ve been incarcerated re ‘Covid’

299896 ▶▶▶ Bella, replying to Ben, 6, #738 of 1227 🔗

Thank you .I remember the German lawyer. Not so sure the French do care about liberty anymore. Anymore than Britons were never, ever going to be slaves. I don’t understand why locking someone up in psych-war doesn’t get more coverage since it is so Stalinist.

299889 ▶▶ Ben, replying to Bella, 5, #739 of 1227 🔗

It seems he challenged the Pasteur Institute. Was held against his will and now he consents (???). I don’t know much about him

Do the French care about Liberté?

https://www.20minutes.fr/societe/2930255-20201211-hold-up-oui-professeur-jean-bernard-fourtillan-bien-hospitalise-psychiatrie-apres-avoir-interpelle

299866 Ben, replying to Ben, 4, #740 of 1227 🔗

Food as medicine. (Something Bill Gates can’t make money from)

https://twitter.com/robinmonotti/status/1338136139262275584?s=20

299887 richard riewer, replying to richard riewer, 17, #743 of 1227 🔗

We have been told incessantly this year to avoid public transport. Conversely, the U.N. Global Action Plan wants to force all of us to use public transport when they ban our cars and trucks off the streets and country lanes by the year 2030. Bipolar?

300058 ▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to richard riewer, 1, #744 of 1227 🔗

You have also spotted the flaw in the Grand Plan. That means there’s at least two of us. :o))

300239 ▶▶ ConstantBees, replying to richard riewer, #745 of 1227 🔗

You’re supposed to walk, peasant.

299895 ianric, replying to ianric, 8, #746 of 1227 🔗

Does anyone wonder where case numbers are coming from considering test centres have been reported empty and cases have occurred where people have been told they tested positive without being tested. Do you feel the government is lying about the number of positive tests.

300030 ▶▶ Stephanos, replying to ianric, 1, #747 of 1227 🔗

To pick up your first point, I have often been puzzled about this. In answer to your second point, undoubtedly.

300054 ▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to ianric, 2, #748 of 1227 🔗

Tier1 (hospital/care home tests) perhaps? Test centre at Colwyn Bay has been empty both times I’ve passed it this week, the one at Chester every time (four times) and the one at Deeside also.

299898 Allen, replying to Allen, 22, #749 of 1227 🔗

Posted this yesterday:

12/3019- Ophthalmologist Li Wenliang informed professional colleagues by WhatsApp that there are 7 cases in his hospital that are confirmed positive for SARS.

1/1/20- Christian Drosten from the Charité heard about it and immediately started the development of SARS viruses before it was even clear or could be clear whether the report from China about SARS was true and proven before the Chinese virologists published their results. He testified that as of January 1, 2020, he had developed a genetic detection method to reliably prove the presence of the new corona virus in humans.

1/21/20- 3 days before the first publication of the Chinese Center for Disease Control and Prevention the WHO recommended all nations to use the “safe” test procedure developed by Drosten.

Fact : Drosten used scientifically NOT verified data for his rapidly globalised PRC test of the 2019- nCOV, which was renamed SARS-CoV-2 on February 7, 2020 with the participation of Drosten. The claim that he had a reliable test procedure is completely impossible.

The Drosten PCR test is the foundational protocol for approximately 75% of PCR tests currently being used. In the original Drosten protocol 45 cycles were recommended.
1/23/20- Publication of the development of the test method of Drosten. On page 3 of this article, left column, 8 lines from below, he describes the first and decisive step of his approach:

“Prior to the announcement of public virus sequences from 2019-nCoV cases, we relied on reports in the social media announcing the detection of a SARS-like virus. Therefore, we assumed that a SARS-related CoV was involved in the outbreak.”

1/24/20 and 3/220- The authoritative virologists of the Chinese disease authority published their results on 1/24/20 and 2/3/20. They reported the isolation of “many” short gene sequences , which, when strung together, could represent a genetic strand of a new type of virus.

The authors explicitly pointed out (as well as many other virologists involved to date) that the absolutely necessary experiments have not yet been carried out which would make it possible to claim that this is indeed a genetic strand of a pathogenic virus.

Keep in mind that the PCR protocol developed by Drosten is the head of the snake. Once the PCR tests are invalidated the entire swindle dissipates and withers away. Until this happens the “casedemic” can remain in perpetuity.

Keep in mind that Drosten was directly involved in virtually the same manner in the swine flu hoax of 2009- he is the German analog to the UK’s modelling madman Neil Ferguson who, like Drosten, is wrong on all well-funded predictions which have caused incalculable damage to the general public.

Final Note:

The governments of The West know full well that “Covid” is being used as cover for crashing the economies in the Western world. There is not now and never has been a “pandemic”- that is all Kabuki theater to disguise the reality of rapid economic decline brought on by the Ponzi Schemes of financial institutions over the past few decades.
The US (and much of the Western world) is in economic free fall. This was occurring long before Covid was engineered but now it is moving with much greater velocity.

The collapse started in 2008 and attempts to salvage this Leviathan have been failures only delaying the inevitable. Fast forward to 2019 and the crisis began to unravel again. There was a dramatic decrease in industrial production and then showed up in the banking crisis of August of 2019- the so-called Repo crisis when suddenly banks started to refuse US sovereign debt instruments as collateral of overnight loans forcing the Federal Reserve to step in and basically print money to cover this massive shortage.

So by the time the “Corona virus” appeared the economy of the United States and many other Western countries were in full blown collapse.

The “Corona Virus” has proven to be very useful (coincidentally showed up just in time) by political leaders to mask (metaphor and reality) what was and is going on in the “real world” of the financial trenches. The economic destruction that it is being blamed for this is absolutely extraordinary.

We are suppose to pretend that it’s not economic policy decisions made through the years by financial parasites (who are now here to save and “reset” us) that are destroying our lives but some alien virus. It’s all lies.

Qui Bono?

Profits on Wall Street reached $27.6 billion in the first six months of 2020, an 82% increase over the same period in 2019 and nearly equal to all of 2019’s pre-tax earnings of $28.1 billion.

299911 ▶▶ Pebbles, replying to Allen, 9, #750 of 1227 🔗

Thank you for reminding us of this. And let’s hope Drosten goes to prison. Wodarg et al are on to him that’s for sure.

300013 ▶▶ Flying Saucer, replying to Allen, 2, #751 of 1227 🔗

There has been a big heist and asset transfer from the poor to the rich before the fiat currencies become defunct.

300051 ▶▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to Flying Saucer, 1, #752 of 1227 🔗

Unless they’ve backed those “assets” with gold, that will have been a waste of time. Assuming the underlying assumption is also correct of course!

299913 Liam, replying to Liam, 9, #753 of 1227 🔗

Watching the football round at my Dad’s. Some Palace fans rushed to embrace their player when he equalised and the fascist goon stewards piled in aggressively. Can’t have anyone enjoying the occasion or celebrating in a non approved way can we?

299918 ▶▶ The Mask Exempt Covid Marshall, replying to Liam, 7, #754 of 1227 🔗

Said stewards must have the IQ of a ham sandwich.

299920 ▶▶▶ Liam, replying to The Mask Exempt Covid Marshall, 2, #755 of 1227 🔗

Stewards were bad enough before this madness, God knows how awful they are now.

299935 ▶▶ Dave Angel Eco Warrier, replying to Liam, 1, #756 of 1227 🔗

To be fair, they would have done that regardless.

299945 ▶▶▶ Liam, replying to Dave Angel Eco Warrier, 1, #757 of 1227 🔗

Fair point.

299914 The Mask Exempt Covid Marshall, replying to The Mask Exempt Covid Marshall, 23, #758 of 1227 🔗

If you don’t want to be discriminated against, I would not recommend attempting to enter the Rose and Crown on Lawrence Street in York.

I had been enjoying an afternoon of drinks in two very well-run pubs yesterday afternoon/evening but I was refused entry to this particular premises, in spite of myself making it clear I was exempt from wearing a face mask. To say I was furious would be an understatement.

If I had the money, I would gladly sue them under the provisions of the Equality Act, which they are clearly breaching. How are they getting away with this?

I shouldn’t have lost my temper on the phone. However, nine months of this shit is destroying what little patience I ever had for the Covid-obsessives. As the damage this obsession is doing to the country becomes ever clearer, my anger only grows. People are literally making things even MORE difficult for themselves than even this absurd government is trying to and I’m meant to comply with their ignorance, cowardice, credulousness, and sheer stupidity. No. Way.

Here is the email I sent them early this morning:

Good Morning,

I’d like to object to, in the strongest terms, my refusal of entry to entry to the Rose and Crown public house on Saturday evening because I was not wearing a face covering. By so doing, you were acting illegally. I clearly stated at the time that I was exempt. While I’m aware that I made two subsequent phone calls expressing my exasperation, and I should apologise for this, the law remains the law. Businesses MUST accommodate those that are exempt. You may not like the fact that you have to cater for those that are covered by exemptions, but that is the case, as laid out within the Equalities Act 2010, in particular Section 29 (5) (a). By denying me entry, you were acting in contravention of Section 13 (1) of said act. Please take into account that, for example, those who have been victims of domestic abuse, in particular, may be repulsed by any form of face covering. Why would you want to turn away any potential customers? It doesn’t make any sense to me.

I implore you to look into the provisions of this act at your earliest convenience. Given the government’s obsession with hammering the hospitality sector at the moment, advised by ‘experts’ who I suspect have never visited a pub in their lives, I really do hope that you heed my advice and I am somewhat surprised by your willingness to endorse and indeed exceed the demands exacted by this government. People like me will do far more to keep your business afloat than those that religiously worship government edicts, in my opinion. And I do want your business to survive.

I do hope that you take my suggestions on board. All the best for the future.

Yours faithfully,
Calum Smih

Did you mean to put your real name on this post? Genuine question in case you did it by mistake.

299934 ▶▶▶ The Mask Exempt Covid Marshall, replying to Liam, 2, #760 of 1227 🔗

I didn’t mean to do it, but I don’t mind it being published either.

299944 ▶▶▶▶ Liam, replying to The Mask Exempt Covid Marshall, 4, #761 of 1227 🔗

No worries I was just pointing it out, some people prefer to stay anonymous, good response to them btw.

299970 ▶▶▶▶▶ The Mask Exempt Covid Marshall, replying to Liam, 3, #762 of 1227 🔗

Nah, thanks for pointing that out anyway!

299953 ▶▶▶▶ Two-Six, replying to The Mask Exempt Covid Marshall, 1, #763 of 1227 🔗

Ok Callum
🙂

299971 ▶▶▶▶▶ The Mask Exempt Covid Marshall, replying to Two-Six, 7, #764 of 1227 🔗

One L not two!

300087 ▶▶ Stringfellow Hawke, replying to The Mask Exempt Covid Marshall, 1, #765 of 1227 🔗

Very good letter.
Depends whether you want to go down this road, but I believe under current legislation this does qualify as a hate crime.. most local police forces have pages of information.

299922 George Mc, replying to George Mc, 17, #766 of 1227 🔗

It is vital to have counter narratives to the fantastical mainstream monotone drone. But how many of these are going to reach a wide public? The mainstream media, by which I mean TV and radio, are still by a long way the most potent media i.e. the ones with the greatest reach. TV in particular is so ubiquitous and easily accepted that it seems that many – if not most – see TV as almost more real than their lived lives.

In my workplace there has been some “radical” views – really daring statements about whether e.g. masks are really effective and even some ridicule about the ludicrous and indeed psychotic Christmas advice. But no matter how much I encourage this, I am always eventually met with, “Hey but it’s no joke” and “Think of all these stupid people over Christmas actually daring to visit each other and even getting close to each other. There’s going to be another massive wave/spike/holocaust in the new year” etc.

And then I get this sinking feeling that it is all futile. TV sets the agenda and there seems no point in even daring to suggest that it’s bollocks. And the bottom line is that fear trumps all. To paraphrase Goebbels:

“All you have to do is tell them they are being infected, and denounce the sceptics for lack of humanity and exposing the public to danger.”

And if you reject the wretched vaccine which, I believe, is still something you can legally do, you will be met with horror at being so “irresponsible” and there is the ultimate in emotionally blackmailing coercion: “You may not care about yourself but you’ll be passing the dreaded virus on to poor defenseless grannies and babies”.

300111 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to George Mc, 1, #767 of 1227 🔗

Underlying it all is people just not wanting to upset anyone. Air some sceptical comments around them and they’ll happily engage, agree even. Its all nonsense mate.

However, the mask gets donned as they head to the bar toilet as they don’t want an evil eye from the barman.

People don’t like the idea that they will actually have to pick a side at any point.

300335 ▶▶▶ PastImperfect, replying to BeBopRockSteady, #769 of 1227 🔗

She was on the money, but she seems to have missed the C-19 scam. If she had done research of the caliber of “Shock Doctrine” she wouldn’t be where she is now.

Anyone know whether she comments on the Great Barrington Declaration? Or the denial of HCQ?

299923 Awkward Git, replying to Awkward Git, 13, #770 of 1227 🔗

So basically masks break the large droplets into an aerosol nd make the spread of a virus even worse:

https://advances.sciencemag.org/content/6/36/eabd3083

Who would have thought it?

299926 ▶▶ Two-Six, replying to Awkward Git, 5, #771 of 1227 🔗

I am sure you have seen how vape from an ecig goes right through a face nappy…Like hot vape through a face nappy, in fact….

299932 ▶▶▶ CGL, replying to Two-Six, 1, #772 of 1227 🔗

And we know what that looks like don’t we!! 🙂

299933 ▶▶▶ Awkward Git, replying to Two-Six, 2, #773 of 1227 🔗

It’s pitiful the “science” now isn’t it?

299956 ▶▶ DRW, replying to Awkward Git, 10, #774 of 1227 🔗

Well we all know how well trousers stop farts…

300016 ▶▶▶ Old Bill, replying to DRW, 1, #775 of 1227 🔗

That line is worth memorising for your next masketeer encounter!

300115 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to Awkward Git, 3, #776 of 1227 🔗

Kevin Mckernan had an excellent twitter thread all about the nebuliser effect of masks.

299925 Zak Thelotofem, replying to Zak Thelotofem, 8, #777 of 1227 🔗

Coincidence?

Belgium : Oct 6th – Nov 6th 1.75 million tests / Nov 6th – Dec 6th 0.86 million tests

Deaths and ‘cases’ plummeting over the last few weeks

299930 ▶▶ Awkward Git, replying to Zak Thelotofem, 3, #778 of 1227 🔗

definitely coincidence, nothing to see here, move along now.

300011 ▶▶▶ Old Bill, replying to Awkward Git, 1, #779 of 1227 🔗

nothing to see here, move along now

Before I kick your head in.

300055 ▶▶ Ceriain, replying to Zak Thelotofem, 1, #780 of 1227 🔗

Total coincidence; such a thing couldn’t happen, as I posted about the UK’s figures on December 5th.

299929 Pebbles, replying to Pebbles, 8, #781 of 1227 🔗

As we are approaching the parliamentary debate tomorrow on “should there be restrictions for people who refuse to take the vaccine…”, here are two powerful links for the day:

Number ONE……Yes, Bill Gates did say THAT. … When the big BG revealed what the actual plan is and what they then tried to edit out of the clips. CHD and Bobby Kennedy Jnr did a bit of digging.Some chiseler altered Bill Gates’ June 2020 TED Talk to edit out his revealing prediction that we will all soon need digital vaccine passports ( slide 1 ). But after considerable effort, we tracked down the original video ( slide 2 ). Gates’ minions on cable and network news, his public broadcasting, social media and fact-checker toadies all now insist that Gates never said such things. They say he never intended to track and trace us with subdermal chips or injected tattoos. They dismiss such talk as “conspiracy theories.” LINK:
https://childrenshealthdefense.org/defender/yes-bill-gates-said-that/

Number TWO…… Brandy Vaughn, former employee of Merck (Big Pharma giant) found dead. Like Sherry Tenpenny, she became an anti-vaccine activist after years of working for Big Pharma and then starting to research vaccine ingredients. Drops dead at age 47 without any health issues, seen perfectly healthy days prior to her passing, reportedly died of gallbladder complications. Please watch her video posted here to form an opinion and the intimidation tactics used on her to silence her:
LINK:
http://thoughtcrimeradio.net/2020/12/brandy-vaughn-vaccine-activist-found-dead/

Food for thought on a rainy Sunday.

299983 ▶▶ Country Mumkin, replying to Pebbles, 3, #782 of 1227 🔗

So terribly sad about Brandy Vaughn. Just read the article. Her 9 year old found her unresponsive. My heart cries for him 🌸

300005 ▶▶ Les Tricoteuses, replying to Pebbles, 1, #783 of 1227 🔗

Anyway I can watch videos without Instagram?

300008 ▶▶▶ Julian, replying to Les Tricoteuses, 1, #784 of 1227 🔗

If you access Instragram via a browser you should be able to right click and open each video in a new tab to view it

300071 ▶▶▶▶ Les Tricoteuses, replying to Julian, 1, #785 of 1227 🔗

I tried but when I click the slide 1 or 2 links it takes me to a sign in page.

300056 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to Pebbles, 2, #786 of 1227 🔗

Nice. Plenty to chew on there. I’d come across this before, makes sense given where things are headed

“Gates’ company, Microsoft, has patented a sinister technology that uses implanted chips with sensors that will monitor body and brain activity. It promises to reward compliant humans with crypto currency payments when they perform assigned activities.”

299943 ▶▶ Awkward Git, replying to Awkward Git, 4, #788 of 1227 🔗

I like this quote in the Pfizer vaccine document:

“As with any vaccine, vaccination with COVID-19 mRNA Vaccine BNT162b2 may not protect all vaccine recipients.”

299939 CGL, replying to CGL, 4, #789 of 1227 🔗

https://petition.parliament.uk/petitions/561730

Not sure if anyone might like to sign this – “Make it a criminal offence for MP’s to mislead the public”

299962 ▶▶ alw, replying to CGL, 8, #790 of 1227 🔗

It is already a criminal offence called malfeasance.

the performance by a public official of an act that is legally unjustified, harmful, or contrary to law; wrongdoing (used especially of an act in violation of a public trust”

300097 ▶▶▶▶ CGL, replying to dommo, #792 of 1227 🔗

Indefensible! Quite.

300094 ▶▶▶ CGL, replying to alw, 1, #793 of 1227 🔗

Thanks – maybe it’s not at all obvious that someone hasn’t just forgotten it already exists then. How are they getting away with it then? Or are they going to say it’s not them doing the misleading, but Dimwitty and Unbalanced?

300125 ▶▶▶ Nigel Sherratt, replying to alw, #794 of 1227 🔗
299941 peyrole, replying to peyrole, 12, #795 of 1227 🔗

No-one wants to join the dots!
Article in the Guardian about research in Yale on the worst sufferers from covid. Its about a month old, first appeared in Forbes in November. Any way after analysing patients across hospitals they found the worst cases were people who had excessive ‘autoantibodies’ which basically are the opposite of good antibodies, they attack the bodies own immune system. None of this is actually new but has been previously swept under the carpet.
Now they are wondering what other ailments show similar effects and therefore which drugs might be useful for covid. The primary ailment they have found is Lupus. And I guess we all know which drug was authorised by the FDA in 1956 to relieve the worst cases of Lupus……HCQ!
So after 10 months of disregarding HCQ, in fact demonising it with faulty tests, they now are faced with the reality of their own findings.
Question is , are they going to come clean this time?
https://www.theguardian.com/science/2020/dec/13/autoantibodies-may-be-driving-severe-covid-cases-study-shows

300493 ▶▶ A leaf, replying to peyrole, #796 of 1227 🔗

Of course no they won’t.

299955 Lisa (formerly) from Toronto, replying to Lisa (formerly) from Toronto, 24, #797 of 1227 🔗

OMG, the FDA is not discouraging pregnant and lactating women from taking the vaccine. Some excerpts from the New York Times article:

Some experts said the virus itself poses greater risks to pregnant women than the new vaccine, and noted that vaccines have been given to pregnant women for decades and have been overwhelmingly safe.

“We really have no data to speak to risks specific to the pregnant women or the fetus, but also no data that would warrant a contraindication to use in pregnancy at this time,” Dr. Fink said.

FFS — shouldn’t “no data” be EXACTLY the reason for pregnant and lactating women to avoid this like the plague? Oh, and aren’t women in this age range at almost zero risk from Covid? This is criminal, IMO.

299959 ▶▶ Liam, replying to Lisa (formerly) from Toronto, 8, #798 of 1227 🔗

Women of childbearing age have NO risk from the Rona.

299958 John P, replying to John P, 22, #799 of 1227 🔗

My daily reminder for the dim who don’t know how to use a dictionary. And I will, of course have to add that this is not any sort of endorsement for the latest, potentially dangerous, rushed vaccines.

Now, rather than trying to direct the confused to a website I thought I would get out my old Chambers 21st Century Dictionary (1996 edition) in order to find a working definition of what a vaccine is (or is supposed to be). Don’t believe me? Get your own dictionary out and check it yourself!

I quote, page 1567:

“vaccine. noun. 1 (medicine) A preparation containing killed or weakened (attenuated) bacteria or viruses, or serum containing specific antibodies, used in vaccination to confer temporary or permanent immunity to a bacterial or viral disease by stimulating the body to produce antibodies to a specific bacterium or virus.”

VACCINES CONFER IMMUNITY

(PS: this is why they are never given to immuno-compromised people).

Simple. Vaccines have nothing to do with reducing symptoms. That’s the job of drugs. Page 404:

“drug. noun. 1 any chemical substance which, when taken into the body or applied externally, has a specific effect on it’s functioning”

Note the difference between a vaccine and a drug. They are not the same thing.

And next time someone in the media, government, in big pharma or even on these threads tries to spin you any nonsense about vaccines reducing symptoms you will know what to say to them.

For example

“we don’t know if you can still spread the virus if you have had the vaccine” = “we don’t know if it works”

because if it works you will not be able to catch it in the first place. And if you can’t catch it, you can’t pass it on.

I’m sorry to keep banging on about this, but the bottom line is:

If you don’t even know what a vaccine is, how can you know when you are being lied to about them!

299965 ▶▶ Country Mumkin, replying to John P, 7, #800 of 1227 🔗

Katie Hopkins has a very good video calling it a “government injectable”. Made me laugh. Although she was being serious. I loved the phrase. It is experimental in many ways and I agree that the word vaccine is the wrong terminology.

299968 ▶▶▶ Hieronimusb, replying to Country Mumkin, 1, #801 of 1227 🔗

Experimental and above all unnecessary, “government despicable” more like.

299973 ▶▶▶ Norman, replying to Country Mumkin, 4, #802 of 1227 🔗

Especially if some of the developments are not vaccines according to the accepted definition.

Take vitamin D and tell the NHS that you don’t want a vaccine ‘for the time being’.

The compelling case for high-dose vitamin D supplements is here on a retired doctor’s blog and he does a new post every few weeks

http://www.drdavidgrimes.com/2020/04/vitamin-d-and-immunity-important.html

Abolutely no risks or side-effects, although if you’re in your 20s you might not need as much as if you’re in your 60s.

300001 ▶▶▶▶ Old Bill, replying to Norman, 2, #803 of 1227 🔗

Information:

1] I am a full on lockdownsceptic to the point of wishing I had a gun to shoot the fascist bastards that are deliberately destroying our society.

2] I take vitamin d supplements.

3] I haven’t read the link you posted.

But, I would be very sceptical of your and Dr Grimes assertion that Vitamin D has absolutely no risks or side effects.

Below is one link that maintains otherwise, there are many more, I even have it first hand from a Doctor friend of mine that the information in the link below is not much disputed.

https://www.healthline.com/health-news/too-much-vitamin-d-can-lead-to-kidney-failure

300044 ▶▶▶▶▶ Hieronimusb, replying to Old Bill, 5, #804 of 1227 🔗

Dr Malcolm Kendrick takes 8000 units a day. I took 8000 for 6 weeks and now take 4000; the emerging evidence for its indication in Covid19 and the general health of your immune system is pretty convincing but t he truth is that something’s always going to get you in the end.

300059 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Ben, replying to Hieronimusb, #805 of 1227 🔗

I’ve read that high doses may be dangerous

300080 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Stringfellow Hawke, replying to Ben, 1, #806 of 1227 🔗

It’s not impossible that high doses (ie very high doses, over a really extended period) could be dangerous. It is possible that almost anything could be dangerous to somebody. I worked in a medical office a few years ago, only briefly, yet came across one person who died as a result of the aluminium in deodorant causing some bizarre reaction; one person who died after eating a few carrots, due to something related to beta carotene…

300082 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Hieronimusb, replying to Ben, 1, #807 of 1227 🔗

Don’t take high doses! For those of us who are approaching 70 or more and who don’t spend so much time outdoors, I think 4-8000 units a day is likely to do more good than harm. It’s an individual choice, obviously, and those with pre-existing renal symptoms might want to reduce or give it a miss. There is risk in all things..

300083 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ CGL, replying to Ben, 3, #808 of 1227 🔗

I have a friend who is a nutritionist. She advocates 4,000 – 5,000iu per day is quite normal, and I have seen many other people also stating that this is about right for most. She had a relative who was on 40,000iu per day for a very short period of a few days when he had a parathyroid tumour. The recommended doses shown on Vit D3 bottles from chemists are apparently very low and pretty much pointless. Apparently most of us are deficient in the winter months.

300110 ▶▶▶▶▶ AN other lockdown sceptic, replying to Old Bill, 1, #809 of 1227 🔗

There’s some info on overdoing Vitamin D and supplements in general on this podcast below. From what I recall, the argument is that if you take lots of Vit D then it will create imbalances with other stuff.

https://meatrx.libsyn.com/meatrx-carnivore-community-meeting-with-dr-james-dinicolantonio

I may give the speakers book a try – ‘The Immunity Fix’

https://www.amazon.co.uk/Immunity-Fix-Strengthen-Infections-Healthier/dp/B08M1QXXF6

299997 ▶▶ Lisa (formerly) from Toronto, replying to John P, 2, #810 of 1227 🔗

Not that I’m shilling for big Pharma, but at least drugs go through WAY more testing than vaccines…and they still get it wrong a lot of the time (e.g., Vioxx, Thalidomide).

299978 Smelly Melly, replying to Smelly Melly, 13, #811 of 1227 🔗

As somebody who wears glasses but doesn’t wear a mask, does this mean I’m 33% protected because my eye shields stop viruses. As glasses are just smaller versions of face visors, I can only assume they provide some protection from this deadly disease.

299981 ▶▶ The Mask Exempt Covid Marshall, replying to Smelly Melly, 3, #812 of 1227 🔗

A good point. Maybe get our mates at SAGE to do some modeling on this?

299989 ▶▶ Fingerache Philip., replying to Smelly Melly, 3, #813 of 1227 🔗

A GOOD POINT, Do you have extra protection if you wear varifocals?

300009 ▶▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to Fingerache Philip., 3, #814 of 1227 🔗

No, but you might see double.

299984 Cecil B, replying to Cecil B, 16, #815 of 1227 🔗

Getting up to speed on the Drosten thing, so please correct me if I’m wrong

As I understand it the suggestion is that Drosten is not qualified as a doctor and is therefore a fraud

It is also suggested that the peer review and publishing of the paper was a fraudulent process

If either or both of the above are true then the PCR test as a means of detecting Covid 19 does not stand

If this last point is true then there is no evidence that anyone has died with or off Covid

Am I wrong?

300006 ▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to Cecil B, 3, #816 of 1227 🔗

Sounds about right to me.

300014 ▶▶ Lms23, replying to Cecil B, 7, #817 of 1227 🔗

A few people did, but for the rest: who knows?
There was a big blip in the mortality rate in March/April, but it’s been fairly average since then.

The PCR test currently being used to diagnose “cases” isn’t, as the Portugese court said, fit for purpose.

Let’s keep on at this. Maybe the government will finally listen, but I’m not holding my breath…

300037 ▶▶▶ Tim Bidie, replying to Lms23, 3, #818 of 1227 🔗

The big blip March/April followed government interventions, hospital clearances, refusal to accept referrals of care home patients to hospitals etc in Britain, Sweden, Spain, Italy and elsewhere.

https://www.amnesty.org/en/latest/news/2020/12/spain-older-people-in-care-homes-abandoned-during-covid19-pandemic/

http://www.lps.polimi.it/wp-content/uploads/2020/06/Nursinghomes_inage.pdf

France 24: ‘They sacrificed the elderly’: How Covid-19 spread in Sweden’s care homes.

Amnesty International Report UK Care Homes: ‘As if expendable’

300042 ▶▶▶▶ WhyNow, replying to Tim Bidie, 3, #819 of 1227 🔗

Whitty agreed (reluctantly) that up to half the deaths in April may have been caused by the response, not by the disease.

300102 ▶▶▶▶▶ Tim Bidie, replying to WhyNow, 1, #820 of 1227 🔗

Yes. There is a great deal of trying to talk down the deaths caused by government interventions:

‘As of 15 November 2020, 40,749 people had died from COVID-19 in Spain according to data from the Ministry of Health. At first, several studies estimated that around 70 per cent died in care homes. At present, the central government is expected to publish a report according to which this percentage would be between 50 and 47 percent.’

Reference above

In Italy, a government health advisor put real ‘covid’ deaths at 12% of the originally published figure. I believe that figure may have subsequently been ‘reinflated’.

300072 ▶▶▶ Stringfellow Hawke, replying to Lms23, 1, #821 of 1227 🔗

Let’s keep on at this.” Absolutely. Particularly at local level, MPs (to an extent) are sitting pretty with no realistic threat of loss of employment for quite some time… not the same at a local level. esp. if lots of small businesses, leisure, hospitality, can make some serious noise. By all means write to MPs, but try to make contact with local representatives too.

300022 ▶▶ Silke David, replying to Cecil B, 2, #822 of 1227 🔗

Qualified as a doctor and having a doctor title are two different things.
In Germany, once you have studied medicine and done practical training, passed your exams and assessments, you do a paper/study on a subject, like a dissertation. If the examining board thinks you have done a good job, they award you the title “doctor”.
In GB, a lot of “doctors” do not use it in their title, as they have not sat the extra exam.
As the article described, all these “dissertations” are held in a central archive, so one can see if anyone already wrote about this topic and the examiners can check for plagiarism.

300040 ▶▶ WhyNow, replying to Cecil B, 3, #823 of 1227 🔗

The only reason to think that anyone died of COVID is if the doctors were treating that person for a respiratory tract infection as the primary disease. A Scottish government survey in August showed that 90% of the people in hospital with a positive test in the previous 28 days were NOT being treated for a respiratory tract infection but for another condition.

299985 godowneasy, replying to godowneasy, 2, #824 of 1227 🔗

Stand ready to protect your pets. They are coming for your cats next.

Coronavirus: Russia develops a vaccine for cats
https://www.brusselstimes.com/news/belgium-all-news/health/145207/russia-develops-a-corona-vaccine-for-animals/

300027 ▶▶ Noumenon, replying to godowneasy, 2, #825 of 1227 🔗

But there’s zero evidence animals even have any problems from the disease!?

300035 ▶▶▶ Jo, replying to Noumenon, 4, #826 of 1227 🔗

As if that would stand in the way!

300158 ▶▶▶ shorthand, replying to Noumenon, 5, #827 of 1227 🔗

Not so sure Noumenon. A week past Friday I ran over a neighbour’s cat. I did the decent thing and fessed up and also offered to take the unfortunate moggy to the vet (The couple are older and the fellow doesn’t like driving).
After an overnighter in the local vets, I got roped into having to take this lifeless creature for a CT (Cat??) scan at a vet out in Aberdeenshire, miles away. Anyway handing the moggy over to the new vet was a completely clandestine operation. I had to phone a number on arrival, 10 minutes later a person clad head to toe in what looked like bomb disposal gear appeared from inside and at a very safe distance, the patient transfer took place and the bomb disposal person scuttled away indoors again.
So they must think cats are susceptible to it. Or, was that all for me….??

300313 ▶▶▶▶ Two-Six, replying to shorthand, #828 of 1227 🔗

hahahaha
Kin ell.

What the is wrong with people.

300436 ▶▶ John Kay, replying to godowneasy, 1, #829 of 1227 🔗

Will we hear the screams of ‘you will not inject that into my pussy’? across the land…?

299993 James007, 18, #830 of 1227 🔗

Over thousands of years, we have developed the ability to communicate meaning. We have excellent abilities to recognise friends, identify emotion and empathy, and to speak. All this requires the ability to see each other, especially face and lips.
We are all human, therefore we are all exempt from wearing face coverings, except in specific medical situations.

300003 ▶▶ Lms23, replying to AnotherSceptic, 4, #832 of 1227 🔗

As CV19 can be “found” in a glass of cola if using PCR, then I do wonder if it’s really CV19 and not some other infection.

300026 ▶▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to Lms23, 2, #833 of 1227 🔗

That too. Didn’t want to say.

300004 ▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to AnotherSceptic, 6, #834 of 1227 🔗

It’s possible of course, but flu kills a LOT more children and babies than Covid. We don’t lock down or restrict people’s freedoms for that one.

300034 ▶▶▶ Jo, replying to Nick Rose, 5, #835 of 1227 🔗

If Matt Hancock has his way, we will.

300036 ▶▶▶ DRW, replying to Nick Rose, 2, #836 of 1227 🔗

Don’t give the education unions yet more excuses to shut the schools!

300090 ▶▶ stefarm, replying to AnotherSceptic, 1, #837 of 1227 🔗

Didn’t have any covid symptoms….

300000 swedenborg, 4, #838 of 1227 🔗

One rules for the proles one for the millionaires. New Zealand style

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/covid-19-coronavirus-superyachts-entering-nz-border-can-quarantine-at-sea-if-they-spend-millions-in-repairs-before-americas-cup/WUITRE6Q7HBM3367BLCH3MOBXI/

A long article about loopholes in the NZ isolation.If you pay money for repairs of super luxury yachts in NZ harbours. You can then count back the time at sea as part of quarantine. Seems to be a good idea for the owners of the yachts to do the same thing as the crew to avoid air travel to NZ with its isolation camps.Before Ameria’s Cup

300157 ▶▶ Andrew K, replying to dommo, 2, #840 of 1227 🔗

Just left this review on Amazon for this product I doubt it will be published.

Tested positive for Covid, then took this and was better in two days.. Don’t know if it was this or just coincidence

300015 dommo, 1, #841 of 1227 🔗

how about a petition to publish the recovery figures?

https://twitter.com/allisonpearson/status/1337913788037738496

300017 swedenborg, 2, #842 of 1227 🔗

https://twitter.com/BallouxFrancois/status/1337851399539986434
 Always worth reading Prof Balloux interesting twitter.You may not agree with everything he says but he is willing to give predictions. This is about the vaccine roll out and its effect/non effect of the whole pandemic. Interesting and thought provoking from a specialist in the field.

300020 Lms23, replying to Lms23, 8, #843 of 1227 🔗

Here’s one for Toby Young, who still isn’t convinced about the “Great Reset”

https://thehill.com/opinion/energy-environment/528482-john-kerry-reveals-bidens-devotion-to-radical-great-reset-movement
“John Kerry reveals Biden’s devotion to radical ‘Great Reset’ movement

At a panel discussion about the Great Reset hosted by the World Economic Forum in mid-November, former Secretary of State John Kerry – Biden’s would-be special presidential envoy for climate – firmly declared that the Biden administration will support the Great Reset and that the Great Reset “will happen with greater speed and with greater intensity than a lot of people might imagine.”

When asked by panel host Borge Brende whether the World Economic Forum and other Great Reset supporters are “expecting too much too soon from the new president, or is he going to deliver first day on this [sic] topics?,” Kerry responded, “The answer to your question is, no, you’re not expecting too much.”

“And yes, it [the Great Reset] will happen,” Kerry continued. “And I think it will happen with greater speed and with greater intensity than a lot of people might imagine. In effect, the citizens of the United States have just done a Great Reset. We’ve done a Great Reset. And it was a record level of voting.” “

300031 ▶▶ OKUK, replying to Lms23, 15, #844 of 1227 🔗

It sure was a record level of voting. It had to be, to overcome the unexpected scale of Trump’s landslide victory.

300427 ▶▶▶ Ovis, replying to OKUK, #845 of 1227 🔗

About ten million of those voters flew in from Narnia

300033 ▶▶ Jo, replying to Lms23, 5, #846 of 1227 🔗

Seems like it’s too late, doesn’t it?

300128 ▶▶ Les Tricoteuses, replying to Lms23, 1, #847 of 1227 🔗

Also on panel, Ursula von der Leyen, President of the European Commission

300156 ▶▶ dhid, replying to Lms23, 1, #848 of 1227 🔗

It does seem we are being very seriously rogered now…….

300021 godowneasy, replying to godowneasy, 5, #849 of 1227 🔗

Ireland “Vaccine buddy” plan – seen this in the Irish Times. I don’t know whether it will happen elsewhere. To me it seems like an insidious ploy to promote vaccine up-take amongst those people who have relatives in care homes who will be given easier access than those who are not vaccinated.

Summary:

  • Inoculating a nominated visitor for nursing home residents as a “vaccine buddy” in the first Covid-19 vaccinations would help their wellbeing, the nursing home sector has said.
  • The idea of including a family member or friend in the first wave of vaccinations against the coronavirus disease was raised by Nursing Homes Ireland, the representative body for private nursing homes, in a letter to Minister for Health last month and in a follow-up meeting last week.
  • “We felt that it was important for them to consider this idea of a nominated visitor and that would ultimately mean people could come and go a lot more freely than the current situation,” said Tadhg Daly, chief executive of the industry group.

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/health/vaccine-buddy-plan-suggested-to-aid-nursing-home-wellbeing-1.4429205

300028 ▶▶ Jo, replying to godowneasy, 4, #850 of 1227 🔗

Sick and disingenuous, given it won’t stop infection happening, as far as everyone knows at the moment.

300023 Nick Rose, replying to Nick Rose, 7, #851 of 1227 🔗

Has anybody else noticed this glowing green mist the NHS seems to think we’re all exhaling?

300029 ▶▶ bluemoon, replying to Nick Rose, 4, #852 of 1227 🔗

I roared with laughter when I saw that ad. Not sure if I was supposed to.

300038 ▶▶▶ rose, replying to bluemoon, 2, #853 of 1227 🔗

I thought that was granny’s fart!

300065 ▶▶▶▶ DavidC, replying to rose, 1, #854 of 1227 🔗

Lol to your comment Rose, as well as bluemoon’s and Nick’s!

DavidC

300229 ▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to bluemoon, 1, #855 of 1227 🔗

Most suitable response.

300151 ▶▶ dhid, replying to Nick Rose, 3, #856 of 1227 🔗

And the radio “ads” – all now reaching disgusting “torture” proportions – one of which repeated says about opening windows to “let the virus PARTICLES out” – FFS!
Then you’ve gotta stick granny on the window cill by the open window – presumably so hypothermia and those “particles” will get her on the way out…….

300024 Jo, 11, #857 of 1227 🔗

I’ve just been reading PHE’s latest flu prevalence report – yes, you’ve guessed it, there isn’t any! Some lower respiratory tract illnesses, but fewer than usual.
I actually trolled through the whole thing and when I got to the last page there was a logo with the legend “Public Health England supporting Sustainable Development Goals”. I am currently reading about these things (which will be familiar to those who have the stomach to read Agenda 2030 and the other WEF nightmares for our future) in Patrick Wood’s book Technocracy: The Hard Road to World Order. But I was a little surprised to see the reference to SDG’s on that document. I guess I shouldn’t have been.

300025 Liam, replying to Liam, 11, #858 of 1227 🔗

Melanie McDonagh’s attempt at emotional blackmail in the Spectator is being systematically dismantled by the commentators below the line.

https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/what-my-father-in-law-s-death-taught-me-about-covid

300063 ▶▶ DavidC, replying to Liam, 4, #859 of 1227 🔗

Can’t see the comments without subscribing and I’m buggered if I’m going to do that.

DavidC

300122 ▶▶▶ Liam, replying to DavidC, 3, #860 of 1227 🔗

Understood, take it from me though, her manipulative screed is being taken apart big time.

300141 ▶▶▶▶ Alan P, replying to Liam, #861 of 1227 🔗

Yes, but now that knob head Kolya has butted in with his two pence. Ffs using the BBC as a true source of evidence. What a loser!

300182 ▶▶▶▶▶ A. Contrarian, replying to Alan P, #862 of 1227 🔗

Kolya is just the pits.

300222 ▶▶▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Alan P, #863 of 1227 🔗

Kolya is a troll. End of.

300165 ▶▶▶▶ DavidC, replying to Liam, 1, #864 of 1227 🔗

Thanks Liam. Good to hear!

DavidC

300220 ▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to DavidC, #865 of 1227 🔗

Yup. A free trial month was more than enough for me.

300066 ▶▶ Leemc23, replying to Liam, 5, #866 of 1227 🔗

If she is so bothered why is she writing about her Father in Laws death that happened the same day ?

Fact Check: she would have had to have the editor approval and copy approvals etc before publication, so that means she is likely writing within a very short time of death. What reasonable editor takes an article in such circumstances?

Ridiculous

300225 ▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Leemc23, 2, #867 of 1227 🔗

If a relative has just died, surely you don’t sit down and write a newspaper column!

300032 WhyNow, replying to WhyNow, 28, #868 of 1227 🔗

There are two inescapable conclusions from the data. One is that the world health authorities were looking for a pandemic, and so they found one to practice on. The second is that almost no-one has died except people who were already terminally ill. The rest (cases, testing, lockdowns, asymptomatic transmission etc.) is just noise.

300167 ▶▶ Marialta, replying to WhyNow, 1, #869 of 1227 🔗

I agree, but most people who are said to die of Covid have comorbidities i.e. two or more diseases or medical conditions. Terminal illness is end stage disease which cannot be treated and the patient is reasonably expected to die.

300217 ▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Marialta, 1, #870 of 1227 🔗

Co-MORBID-ities …..!

300288 ▶▶▶ WhyNow, replying to Marialta, #871 of 1227 🔗

I believe this is a deliberate attempt by the health professionals to obfuscate the data. The deaths by age group are identical to normal. Deaths by age group reflect the enormous complexity of all the different ways of dying. It is simply impossible to replicate that with a single disease.

More people have died, but about half of that was because of the way the authorities reacted.

300307 ▶▶▶▶ Two-Six, replying to WhyNow, #872 of 1227 🔗

Perhaps they need a Great Reset on Deaths. A deaths day zero so they can start the clocks rolling on the launch of the new global health policy of preventative medicine. Their brand new thing.
Like minority report for disease.

300039 theanalyst, replying to theanalyst, 25, #873 of 1227 🔗

Report from France – Visiting friends in an retirement home, and then the Covid Ward, in France

So my father in law, who is a bit of a maverick, had a big day out late this week. He wanted to see what was going on with Covid and visit some old friends.

Phase 1 of his operation – In the morning, he visited a friend in an old folks home. He filled in a form and was able to sit besides a 91 year old and chat. In his room, in private. No prior testing. Just had to wear the mask. Apparently, this has been the case since May / June in France – no restrictions on visiting friends or relatives in retirement homes. I’ve no idea why its not the same here…though obviously I hate masks.

Phase 2 of his operation – In the afternoon, he visited a 96 year old in the Covid Ward in Pont Audemer Hospital, Normandy. He was born there and his mother died there. The way he sees it is that no-one has the right to stop him visiting because of this. It is a bit like his second home. He had to fill in 3 sets of forms, and had half an hour wait for each set. The third set they did not collect. It is still in his pocket. Mostly declarations. He had to strip and wear an overall etc. No test required.

Once finally admitted, the 96 year old friend thanked him profusely and said that if there was one person who would visit him he knew it would be my father in law.

He had a good day out and that made 3 people happy, though it did take a lot of effort.

My father in law observed that no-one on the Covid Ward needed assistance to breathe. They were all quite lucid. So no surprises there.

300045 ▶▶ Steeve, replying to theanalyst, 7, #874 of 1227 🔗

Fascinating report! Many thanks for posting.

300189 ▶▶ Charlie Blue, replying to theanalyst, 3, #875 of 1227 🔗

Hats off to your F-I-L. I’m staggered that France have allowed hospital and care home visits most of the way through, given the OTT-nature of their original lockdown measures. Perhaps they class it as “assisting vunlerable persons”, which it is is, of course.

300201 ▶▶▶ theanalyst, replying to Charlie Blue, 5, #876 of 1227 🔗

Just asked the wife – who is French and studied French Law. Macron decreed way back in June that all you had to do to visit relatives and friends in care homes and hospitals was to fill in a few forms. He has some compassion and recognized old people and families were suffering and sorted it. Not what you read in the press.

And not the approach taken by the Tories, who don’t seem to care at all.

300043 Tom Blackburn, replying to Tom Blackburn, 16, #877 of 1227 🔗

Currently in Tenerife. All of the bars/restaurants dead since HMG’s removal of travel corridor. Most see it as retaliation for the Canarian govt removing the need for PCR testing earlier this week. It is hard to disagree.

300047 ▶▶ Ben, replying to Tom Blackburn, 8, #878 of 1227 🔗

I agree. The Covid Cabal is angry

300049 ▶▶ Hieronimusb, replying to Tom Blackburn, 5, #879 of 1227 🔗

The canary in the goldmine..

300052 ▶▶ theanalyst, replying to Tom Blackburn, 5, #880 of 1227 🔗

Hope you have a good time Tom. Hope enough bars / restaurants remain open for you.

We might go there at the start of Jan, to Costa Teguise – is mask wearing in the streets 100% or do some people (those who dare) get away with non compliance?

300131 ▶▶▶ John, replying to theanalyst, 2, #881 of 1227 🔗

Costa Teguise is in Lanzarote. Masks are compulsory everywhere except at home. in restaurants and bars when sitting down and after food or drinks have been served, sitting on the beach, walking between where you’re sitting and the sea if going for a swim and exercising. Walking is not exercise.

300188 ▶▶▶▶ theanalyst, replying to John, 2, #882 of 1227 🔗

Thanks – sounds like heaven!

300154 ▶▶▶ Mabel Cow, replying to theanalyst, 7, #883 of 1227 🔗

We lived in Costa for a year and absolutely loved it.

The idea of being forced to wear a mask at gunpoint by the Guardia Civil makes me want to puke.

300181 ▶▶▶ Tom Blackburn, replying to theanalyst, 4, #884 of 1227 🔗

EVERYONE has a mask, even if it is below their chin or in their pocket. I’ve had one dangling from my wrist the whole time. Have seen one police officer in a week – chastising the lucky lucky men for something or other.

300046 James Leary #KBF, replying to James Leary #KBF, 21, #885 of 1227 🔗

In the spirit of the Zeitgeist, I watched ‘Soylent Green’ this afternoon. That’s just about the ultimate dystopian movie. It was made in 1973, starring Charlton Heston. The dystopian future was 2022 – just round the corner. The opening title sequence is a catalogue of events that led to this ghastly state the world was in. The image below is as the narrative rolls into 2022 for the story to begin. How did they know?

300148 ▶▶ Mabel Cow, replying to James Leary #KBF, 7, #886 of 1227 🔗

In keeping with the classic film theme, I watched Close Encounters yesterday for the first time in 40 years and was amused to see the American government manufacturing a nerve gas incident in order to clear out the population around the alien rendezvous site.

The scene where the scientists immediately remove their masks once the proles leave seemed particularly apposite, given our plod’s tendency to sit together in their vans unmuzzled, only to don their rags the minute they have to deal with the public.

300183 ▶▶ James Leary #KBF, replying to James Leary #KBF, 12, #887 of 1227 🔗

In reply to myself! I checked out the critics opinions at the time. Poor innocent souls.

“ Penelope Gilliatt of The New Yorker was negative, writing, “This pompously prophetic thing of a film hasn’t a brain in its beanbag. Where is democracy? Where is the popular vote? Where is women’s lib? Where are the uprising poor, who would have suspected what was happening in a moment?”

Where are they now? Oh yes – wearing masks and waiting obediently to be turned into Soylent Green.

300195 ▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to James Leary #KBF, 4, #888 of 1227 🔗

Wow! Creepy!

300050 Margaret, replying to Margaret, 16, #889 of 1227 🔗

Not sure if this has been spotted before.

https://www.neminis.org/2020/12/09/virologist-drosten-what-changed-from-2014-to-2020/

In amongst the Drosten articles is an interview with a German business magazine in 2014, where Drosten acknowledges that PCR is too sensitive and may well pick up healthy people and declare them to be “cases”

This should be front page headlines. Game over.

300057 ▶▶ CGL, replying to Margaret, 7, #890 of 1227 🔗

Well it should be . . . .

300081 ▶▶▶ Tenchy, replying to CGL, 7, #891 of 1227 🔗

…. but it certainly won’t be.

Even if PCR was irrefutably proved to be 100% useless, the MSM wouldn’t report it, and it would still be used as the basis for identifying “cases”.

300108 ▶▶▶▶ Margaret, replying to Tenchy, 6, #892 of 1227 🔗

My city is one of those due to receive mass testing using the LFTs. A few weeks ago, it was given a few hundreds of them to start with but now we’re getting the big guns. The aim, of course, is to get us into tier two ASAP.

I posted a comment in my local paper a couple of weeks ago to predict that numbers of positives would fall off a cliff as soon as we got these tests, just as happened in Liverpool. For some reason, the comment was disabled!

300213 ▶▶ leggy, replying to Margaret, 2, #893 of 1227 🔗

Look what else he says:

Because what interests you first are the real cases. Whether asymptomatic or mildly infected hospital employees are really virus carriers is questionable. It is even more questionable whether they can pass the virus on to others.

300060 Leemc23, replying to Leemc23, 3, #894 of 1227 🔗

What’s going on in Germany ? Been flagged by many people to me (who don’t agree I should be skeptical) that they are going “hard” lockdown from Wednesday because it’s out of control ?

300064 ▶▶ Hieronimusb, replying to Leemc23, 9, #895 of 1227 🔗

Merkel’s merkin is slipping, she’s trying to get a grip. Wait until Fuellmich and Wodarg get into court, that might get some traction.

300069 ▶▶▶ Leemc23, replying to Hieronimusb, 13, #896 of 1227 🔗

I can’t see anything out of the ordinary for a country of 80 + million people. Take away the PCR and it’s a normal December, maybe a little light ? Honestly what am I missing with this Covid business. I can’t see any and I do mean any justification for any of what is allegedly happening.

300096 ▶▶▶▶ Hieronimusb, replying to Leemc23, 11, #897 of 1227 🔗

I can’t see that you are missing anything at all; a discredited assay is being used to prop up a phantom contagion which is demonstrably having little or no effect on excess mortality. Slowly but surely the pseudo-science which has been adopted by various govts is being discredited and this will eventually, it is to be hoped, expose the impossibility of their position. Until then we have to keep making as much noise as we can.

300143 ▶▶▶▶▶ Andrew K, replying to Hieronimusb, 6, #898 of 1227 🔗

Wait until they release Covid-21 (Long since predicted by many) that will be much more lethal. Then the authorities will blame people like us, all all those that have spoken out as the cause. An Isolation camp awaits. Those evil fuckwits planning all of this know they can’t keep this up on a non dealy virus. Plan B is coming.

300155 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Hieronimusb, replying to Andrew K, 3, #899 of 1227 🔗

Possibly so, which is why we must make as much noise as we humanly can. The best laid plans of mice and men gang oft astray.. it’s not a done deal, not yet it isn’t.

300510 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Elisabeth, replying to Andrew K, #900 of 1227 🔗

Especially since they’ve already conditioned the sniveling masses to just get on the trains to the camps

300105 ▶▶▶▶ Charlie Blue, replying to Leemc23, 4, #901 of 1227 🔗

Are they resorting to the overwhelmed health service line?

300147 ▶▶▶▶▶ Julian, replying to Charlie Blue, 4, #902 of 1227 🔗

She was on about how so many people are dying and it won’t do

But as far as I know deaths are normal – however this doesn’t seem to matter any more

Any death from COVID must be stopped at all costs

The loonies don’t want it to Peter out – they must wait for the vaccine

300166 ▶▶▶▶▶ Leemc23, replying to Charlie Blue, 3, #903 of 1227 🔗

Yep. That’s exact line.

300109 ▶▶ Will, replying to Leemc23, 6, #904 of 1227 🔗

The virus is going to do what the virus is going to do. They locked down hard and early in the spring, were applauded for it( by the stupid) but they are now a long way from the herd immunity we are seeing in the UK.

300168 ▶▶▶ Leemc23, replying to Will, 1, #905 of 1227 🔗

It does seem that in the end what needs to happen, will happen and people can’t control such things. Unless you decide to hide away for ever, in which case you won’t have lived a life.

300061 DRW, 8, #906 of 1227 🔗

Sanjeev Sabhlok, the man who resigned from the Victorian government has since done some good interviews and published a book: https://www.sabhlokcity.com/
Brave man for speaking out in one of the worst places in the world. I didn’t realise LDs were attempted in Africa over ebola with similar effectiveness.

300062 Ceriain, replying to Ceriain, 13, #907 of 1227 🔗

A couple of reviewers of the NHS T&T app on Google Play not taking the deadly pandemic seriously.

“Game play kinda sucks and the graphics are terrible. I thought this would be like Pokemon and was trying to catch them all.”

“Wow, this THE best covid app I have ever used, and I class myself as a bit of an expert on these things”

Who do I report these enemies of humanity to? 😉

300078 ▶▶ Tenchy, replying to Ceriain, 4, #908 of 1227 🔗

“Best COVID app I have ever used”. What, like he’s had years of experience of using a “COVID app” on a daily basis? What cobblers!

300103 ▶▶▶ Charlie Blue, replying to Tenchy, 4, #909 of 1227 🔗

Pretty confident the reviewer is taking the mick, Tenchy.

300112 ▶▶▶ Ceriain, replying to Tenchy, #910 of 1227 🔗

It’s a gag, T. 🙂

300135 ▶▶▶▶ Tenchy, replying to Ceriain, 2, #911 of 1227 🔗

Haha yes, now you mention it. However, it’s just the sort of – genuine -shite you might expect from some people these days.

300164 ▶▶▶▶▶ Ceriain, replying to Tenchy, 2, #912 of 1227 🔗

Some of the piss-take reviews are brilliant, but you have to scroll through a lot of crap to find them.

300175 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Ceriain, 1, #913 of 1227 🔗

It’s like striking gold when you do!

300070 mhcp, replying to mhcp, 5, #914 of 1227 🔗

If you follow the link that Awkward Git gave for testing of masks, one of the main papers that was used to justify face masks is :

https://www.nature.com/articles/s41591-020-0843-2?ContensisTextOnly=true

What is interesting is that they are testing a small sample of people who through PCR test for a number of virus types. They also look at people with symptoms and basically come to the conclusion that wearing a face mask has some effect in reducing the spread of coronoviruses WHEN YOU ARE COUGHING AND INFECTIOUS.

There’s a lot of assumptions in the paper one being that PCR is adequate to tell that someone has a certain virus but they are trying to collect samples to delineate which virus is being transmitted.

Bottom line though is that if you aren’t actively coughing you don’t need to wear a mask.

300075 ▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to mhcp, 3, #915 of 1227 🔗

Nature often turns out to be a rather dodgy publication.

300079 ▶▶▶ mhcp, replying to Cheezilla, 1, #916 of 1227 🔗

Oh I know it does but what is interesting is that this initial study (and that is what it is) is simply saying there seems to be a better effect on stopping someone spreading their coronovirus germs to you when they cough if they are masked. That’s it. Doesn’t go into if this will have a measureable effect on viral transmission (which from an Ivor Cummins video looks) unlikely

300170 ▶▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to mhcp, 3, #917 of 1227 🔗

This too:

Viable virus has been isolated from specimens of pre-symptomatic and asymptomatic individuals, suggesting, therefore, that people who do not have symptoms may be able transmit the virus to others.(26)Comprehensive studies on transmission from asymptomatic individuals are difficult to conduct, but the available evidence from contact tracing reported by Member States suggests that asymptomatically-infected individuals are much less likely to transmit the virus than those who develop symptoms. Among the available published studies, some have described occurrences of transmission from peoplewho did not have symptoms.(21,25-32)For example, among 63 asymptomatically-infected individuals studied in China, there was evidence that 9 (14%) infected another person.(31)Furthermore, among two studies which carefully investigated secondary transmission from cases to contacts, one found no secondary transmission among 91 contacts of 9 asymptomatic cases,(33) while the other reported that 6.4% of cases were attributable to pre-symptomatic transmission.(32) The available data, to date, on onward infection from cases without symptoms comes from a limited number of studies with small samples that are subject to possible recall bias and for which fomite transmission cannot be ruled out.

So much for the asymptomatic spreading the “pandemic”!

300193 ▶▶▶▶ annie, replying to mhcp, 4, #918 of 1227 🔗

Coughs and sneezes spread diseases,
Trap them in your handkerchief.

And beware lest the snake oil jab give you an empty arm.

300152 ▶▶ Leemc23, replying to mhcp, 4, #919 of 1227 🔗

https://img1.wsimg.com/blobby/go/ee2b1b8c-cfee-4d2e-aa2b-4d5b03c510fd/WHO-2019-nCov-IPC_Masks-2020.4-eng.pdf

Interpretation of rules is everything.

How many “high risk” people know that they need a proper medical mask ?

How many people understand that cloth is a spread prevention measure and absolutely is not designed to stop you getting sick from virus elsewhere.

How many people, including the Government have told people, clearly the risks from masks ?

There is a long cue of legal claims against poor risk assessment process forming.

300509 ▶▶ Elisabeth, replying to mhcp, #920 of 1227 🔗

been saying that all year. These silly masks stop large droplets from coughing or sneezing, which is completely irrelevant if you’re not coughing or sneezing. And if you’re actively sick FFS stay home or cover your coughs and sneezes for those few minutes you HAVE to be out (like to go to the doctor or the pharmacy or to buy supplies).

300076 Cheezilla, replying to Cheezilla, 8, #921 of 1227 🔗

Alex Belfield points out that the media ignored all the demos yesterday.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=81RBUsgZtN8&feature=youtu.be

300137 ▶▶ peter, replying to Cheezilla, 23, #922 of 1227 🔗

And I’ve ignored all the media since March, never wore a mask, travelled incessantly between tiers, put up countless stickers proclaiming covid is a hoax and visiting anybody I wanted despite it being against ‘the law’.
Do not respect the corona cunts and their bogus laws.

300389 ▶▶▶ Cranmer, replying to peter, 1, #923 of 1227 🔗

May we know what sort of things are on your stickers? I am thinking of doing something similar but would like a pithy, short statement that will entice the thoughtful borderline sceptics while at the same time not so shocking that it will cause the True Believers to wish to peel them off.

300469 ▶▶ Ben, replying to Cheezilla, #924 of 1227 🔗

The media is the virus

300077 swedenborg, replying to swedenborg, 18, #925 of 1227 🔗

There is some truth in this cynical statement,isn’t it?

https://twitter.com/ZacBissonnette/status/1338174888868270081

In summary: Don’t worry when people who get the vaccine die immediately after getting it. It doesn’t mean the vaccine isn’t safe. It’s just that our first priority is to give the vaccine to people who are about to die. Has everybody gone completely insane?

300085 ▶▶ Poppy, replying to swedenborg, 27, #926 of 1227 🔗

Just my opinion, but I would think that if this were a truly deadly pandemic, surely those of working age/young people would be prioritised for the vaccine, not those at the end of their life. Again, just goes to show that this is not a ‘deadly pandemic’ but an elderly care crisis.

300093 ▶▶▶ Hoppy Uniatz, replying to Poppy, 11, #927 of 1227 🔗

If this was a truly deadly pandemic, then Jeff Bezos, Bill Gates etc would be pulling strings to get to the front of the vaccine queue. It would be like “Trouble with Lichen.”

300118 ▶▶▶▶ Liam, replying to Hoppy Uniatz, 5, #928 of 1227 🔗

I love John Wyndham, I think that’s the only one of his I haven’t read, must correct that!

300192 ▶▶▶▶▶ annie, replying to Liam, 4, #929 of 1227 🔗

It’s all about overpopulation. Probably written by Bill Gates in disguise.

300098 ▶▶▶ Will, replying to Poppy, 5, #930 of 1227 🔗

Well said poppy.

300101 ▶▶▶ Julian, replying to Poppy, 5, #931 of 1227 🔗

The target market for this vaccine is pretty limited – those whose lives would be prolonged beyond possibly a few weeks by having more resistance

It’s maybe 10% of those who have died from/with covid

300120 ▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Poppy, 4, #932 of 1227 🔗

Don’t you mean a cull of the elderly?

300117 ▶▶ Andrew K, replying to swedenborg, 10, #933 of 1227 🔗

I would hazard a guess that not a single person has died of (Note not with) covid this month. No flu, no pneumonia deaths. wow! No pathology reports. How do 90% of the population not see this. I’m in despare at the moment!

300119 ▶▶ Liz F, replying to swedenborg, 3, #934 of 1227 🔗

Sky News journalist Mark Austin said exactly the same thing last week on News at 5. It’s now become part of the official “narrative”.

300095 swedenborg, 3, #935 of 1227 🔗

https://sebastianrushworth.com/2020/12/13/what-are-the-harms-of-lockdown/

 Another good article by Sebastian Rushworth about lockdown effect heart attacks, stroke and children. Maybe posted before but worth repeating

300099 Cheezilla, replying to Cheezilla, 6, #936 of 1227 🔗

Disappointing turnout in Nottingham today. Come on the Midlands!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J7QAkVE-PrA

300129 ▶▶ Nottingham69, replying to Cheezilla, 5, #937 of 1227 🔗

It has been a foul day today, after the media blitz fallout from the market last week.

300140 ▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Nottingham69, 4, #938 of 1227 🔗

Disappointing for the organisers and those who turned up.

300104 OKUK, replying to OKUK, 16, #939 of 1227 🔗

CCP membership list leak – big news!

123 CCP party loyalists from China employed in Pfizer and Astra Zeneca!!!

300133 ▶▶ awildgoose, replying to OKUK, 7, #940 of 1227 🔗

I knew China had tentacles everywhere, but if that report is true the reality far exceeds my cynical imagination.

300228 ▶▶▶ OKUK, replying to awildgoose, 4, #941 of 1227 🔗

There’s an ongoing diplomatic-cum-trade war between China and Australia with China determined to show the Audries who’s boss’s now. I think the leaked list (appearing in The Australian newspaper) probably originated from the Australian security services).

300300 ▶▶▶▶ awildgoose, replying to OKUK, 2, #942 of 1227 🔗

I can believe the Aussie security services managed to come through with this list.

There are credible rumors that US intelligence assets in China were purged repeatedly under the Clinton, W, and Obama administrations.

As far as I know, the Aussies have not had their Chinese assets sold out at the highest levels.

300106 Steve Martindale, replying to Steve Martindale, 14, #943 of 1227 🔗

‘What a tangled web we weave
when covid legislation we conceive’

There were some posts earlier about legal stuff and I was going to make a comment but the weather picked up and I have been in the woods all afternoon and so I’ll make this a new post. As far as I can recall this current virus hoo-haa is the first and only occasion in my lifetime that we have addressed public health concerns with legislation. I can barely make out the legal stuff in England and so cannot comment on other parts of the UK but for England the legality all the Covid legislation appears to be quite dodgy.

The Coronavirus Act seems to deal with emergency measures, changes to registration of Births and Deaths etc. but it does seem to have an article with regard to demonstrations and as best I can work out this has been used with regard to the demonstrations.
All the other lockdown legislation seem to be Statutory Instruments made under the powers given by the Public Health Act England 1984. This act was never conceived to be used in the way that it is being used in these Coronavirus statutory instruments. The other day I saw some pictures of the police using some sort of flaming cutting tool to enter premises they suspected of breaking lockdown regs.
The Public Health Act says;
Admission to any premises F9… shall not be demanded as of right unless twenty–four hours’ notice of the intended entry has been given to the occupier.
[F10(2A)Subsection (1) does not authorise entry to any part of premises which is used as a private dwelling (but this does not affect the power of a justice of the peace under subsection (3) to issue a warrant authorising entry to a private dwelling or to any part of premises used as a private dwelling).]

I am no lawyer and so this would need to be checked out by someone with more legal knowledge than me but it does seem to me that the Police are using these coronavirus regulations in the way they think they should have been written rather than the way they are actually written.

Many fixed penalty notices have been issued under the Public Health coronavirus regs and where these have been ignored there have been some Single Justice Procedure cases which have imposed fines. But I am not aware of any offences under these regs which have gone to a full court action? It makes me wonder if the CPS are struggling to put a case together? My understanding is that Fixed Penalty Notices and Single Justice Procedure cases originally came in to deal quickly and easily with motoring offences and so their use for these Public Health act offences is questionable. The House of Lords legal committee has raised concerns over the way the law is being used to impose lockdown measures.

I have twice written to Suella Braverman, QC, MP the Attorney General to query the way the law is being used to impose lockdown measures but to date have received no replies. I think that we need to press our MPs and anyone else we can think of to demand that the Attorney General addresses this issue and makes a statement to the House of Parliament.

300123 ▶▶ Julian, replying to Steve Martindale, 5, #944 of 1227 🔗

Lord Sumption agrees with you

It was in part the basis of the Dolan legal case

300138 ▶▶ mhcp, replying to Steve Martindale, 13, #945 of 1227 🔗

A Fixed Penalty Notice for motoring offences is a quick way of settling the matter as a police officer or a camera generally has evidence of your speeding. It’s hard to argue with the camera (although you can if you want to). So it makes sense that an FPN is more of a formality as a reasonable case can be made that an offense has been committed.

An FPN for coronovirus has no such standing as how can you show evidence of danger i.e. spreading an infectious disease in such a manner that greatly exceeds typical spreading.

You can’t.

300280 ▶▶ The Filthy Engineer, replying to Steve Martindale, 3, #946 of 1227 🔗

As far as I can recall this current virus hoo-haa is the first and only occasion in my lifetime that we have addressed public health concerns with legislation.”

Nope. Motorcycle Crash Helmet Law 1973, Seatbelt Law 1983, Indoor smoking ban 2007 and now they are messing with food formulation to reduce calories per portion and trying to stifle advertising of certain foods through the force of law. These are just the ones that I am aware of, I’m sure that there are others that people can think of.

I don’t think that you have been paying sufficient attention to Nanny.

300299 ▶▶▶ Two-Six, replying to The Filthy Engineer, 2, #947 of 1227 🔗

The Tobacco Products Directive laws were insane and very very far reaching.
The Sugar Tax
THe price per unit charges in Scotland/Minimum charge for alcohol thing

300113 Gladiatrix, replying to Gladiatrix, -1, #948 of 1227 🔗

Has anyone else seen the article in the Sunday Times repeating SAGE’s garbage? Why isn’t Toby responding to nonsense like this?

300124 ▶▶ Liam, replying to Gladiatrix, 20, #949 of 1227 🔗

He can’t be everywhere at once. He said in the Spectator the other week that he’s up until 4am every single day compiling each day’s update here.

300134 ▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Liam, 29, #950 of 1227 🔗

Precisely.

Before this blog became so popular, Toby used to post an update every two or three days and there were only a few hundred comments to go through for each one.

Be grateful. Never take Toby’s efforts for granted – and help him with articles etc as much as you can!

300250 ▶▶▶ Gladiatrix, replying to Liam, 3, #951 of 1227 🔗

Fair point

300132 ▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Gladiatrix, 6, #952 of 1227 🔗

Did you send it to him?
Best to pull out some relevant chunks rather than just the link. Makes his job easier.

300139 ▶▶ Dave Angel Eco Warrier, replying to Gladiatrix, 6, #953 of 1227 🔗

For some reason The Times seem very keen for the lockdown strategy and restrictions to remain indefinitely.

300177 ▶▶▶ DRW, replying to Dave Angel Eco Warrier, 5, #954 of 1227 🔗

Typical MSM, let’s not forget their silly headline about “Russia hacks Oxford vaccine data”

300296 ▶▶▶ peyrole, replying to Dave Angel Eco Warrier, 3, #955 of 1227 🔗

With Biden’s win the London Times is mimicking the NYT.

300199 ▶▶ James Marker, replying to Gladiatrix, 11, #956 of 1227 🔗

The Sunday Times now reads like the Guardian on Sunday: fanatically pro-lockdown and now very much anti-Brexit. I won’t be buying it again.

300236 ▶▶▶ Will, replying to James Marker, 3, #957 of 1227 🔗

As long as Stephen Jones is writing about rugby in the Times I won’t be buying the paper.

300116 AnotherSceptic, replying to AnotherSceptic, #958 of 1227 🔗
300153 ▶▶ p02099003, replying to AnotherSceptic, 7, #959 of 1227 🔗

Actually autoimmune responses post infection are not unusual.
Guillain Barre Syndrome is known to occur after viral infections such as gastroenteritis.
Heart problems occur after rheumatic fever.
Clotting problems such as thrombocytopenia can occur after viral infections.
Certainly I would expect some post viral issues after a genuine SARS-CoV-2 infection, the real question would be whether the person had had CoViD19.

300161 ▶▶▶ Telpin, replying to p02099003, 10, #960 of 1227 🔗

That being so, why would anyone take an unnecessary vaccine – surely the same risk exists? But that would require people putting 2 and 2 together – which most people seem incapable of

300284 ▶▶▶▶ p02099003, replying to Telpin, 8, #961 of 1227 🔗

That is my real concern. They are administering it to elderly people who are likely to have over sensitive immune systems and could develop sepsis or other immune system related diseases. If a person already has an autoimmune disease such as rheumatic arthritis, lupus or even psoriasis then should they have the vaccine? Don’t forget that an allergic reaction is due to part of the immune system over reacting.

300293 ▶▶▶▶▶ Two-Six, replying to p02099003, 1, #962 of 1227 🔗

What do you think the main allergen is?

300270 ▶▶▶ mhcp, replying to p02099003, 3, #963 of 1227 🔗

Norovirus is a particularly bad one. It can reset your biome so that previously foods that didn’t cause indigestion now do.

300375 ▶▶ Cranmer, replying to AnotherSceptic, #964 of 1227 🔗

Yahoo News is dire. For a long time their articles were routinely trashed and contradicted in the comments. Then, strangely,the comments on all articles were ‘temporarily withdrawn’.

300121 Steeve, replying to Steeve, 1, #965 of 1227 🔗

What do Lord Bethell of Romford, Professor the Lord Darzi, FRS and Kelly Beaver have in common?

300130 ▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Steeve, 1, #967 of 1227 🔗

They all signed the letter from ‘Department of Health and Social Care’, ‘Imperial College London’ (WHAT?!), … and … NHS England: ‘Take part in a COVID-19 testing research study (Wave 2)’.

300136 Ben, 9, #968 of 1227 🔗

Short video clip. Politicians are playing us for fools

https://twitter.com/RadioSavana/status/1337896435359100928?s=20



300142 awildgoose, replying to awildgoose, 15, #969 of 1227 🔗

Sky News Australia report on the leaked CCP membership list:

https://www.skynews.com.au/details/_6215946537001

They appear to have tentacles throughout the West.

Senator McCarthy was absolutely right.

300172 ▶▶ Bella, replying to awildgoose, 3, #970 of 1227 🔗

This Sky news report and website also reports highest number of Covid-related daily deaths yesterday in UK since May and a further 21,000 cases and total deaths at over 60,000. Can someone put a perspective on this? All the graphs I see would suggest a decline in cases, ICU admissions and deaths. What am I missing?

300194 ▶▶▶ awildgoose, replying to Bella, 6, #971 of 1227 🔗

The simplest explanation is that all deaths are now classed as Covid.

Most people lack the ability to distinguish a, “death with,” versus a, “death from.”

Same goes for the mass inability to understand the difference between a, “positive test,” versus a, “case.”

300277 ▶▶▶▶ crimsonpirate, replying to awildgoose, 4, #972 of 1227 🔗

problem is, the ONS are not giving a breakdown of death by cause-I can only find comparisons between covid and non covid and flu/pneumonia. There was a chart last week atl showing deaths in the USA for November which showed overall deaths were the same but heart disease and cancer were much less and covid picked up the slack. I’d like to know if that is occurring in the UK.

300345 ▶▶▶▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to crimsonpirate, 1, #973 of 1227 🔗

It’s like that in Ireland. Covid arrives and other respiratory deaths go down by almost the same level.

All cause mortality

300346 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 1, #974 of 1227 🔗

Cause of death

300209 ▶▶▶ Leemc23, replying to Bella, 5, #975 of 1227 🔗

Are sky now reporting the lowest number of deaths today since x and a drop in cases of 25% ?

No. Didn’t think so.

300214 ▶▶ OKUK, replying to awildgoose, 10, #976 of 1227 🔗

Confirms my view which I’ve held for many years now that the Nixon China policy was probably the worst geopolitical mistake since Operation Barbarossa.

300264 ▶▶▶ awildgoose, replying to OKUK, 6, #977 of 1227 🔗

Looking at the current state of the world I think it can be argued Nixon is by far the worst President.

Another odd thing I’ve noticed is that there is almost no Covid reporting from China now versus this time last year.

Curious indeed.

300256 ▶▶ Ovis, replying to awildgoose, 3, #978 of 1227 🔗

McCarthy was right, it’s a matter of historical record. That was cleared up when the KGB files were opened after the end of the Soviet Union.

Whether McCarthy knew he was right, and how he knew if so, is another matter.

300163 Leemc23, replying to Leemc23, 15, #979 of 1227 🔗

Roll back to August and we had the SAGE cabal demanding hospitality close as schools reopen.

Hit December and we have schools naturally closing next week. We will have hospitality shut for around the duration of Christmas, roughly speaking. Let’s assume this year most things shut 25-27 December + tier 3 is likely to extend to 22 million people anyway.

So can someone please, someone with more brains than me, remind me why the panic for Christmas ? If it’s all about trade offs to keep the R below 1. Then we are trading things off quite naturally and then being clobbered by tier 3 on top.

Does this not essentially mean that this is all a con trick designed to make BJ and his crew look like they saved Christmas?

Would welcome views.

300173 ▶▶ A. Contrarian, replying to Leemc23, 8, #980 of 1227 🔗

The Christmas panic is all about us all seeing Granny I think, particularly seeing her indoors, now considered to be the most dangerous activity possible – far more so than Russian roulette.

And people dispersing across the country carrying their vile pestilence with them. Particularly students, although the recent testing seems to have taken the wind out of their sails on that score.

300179 ▶▶ Charlie Blue, replying to Leemc23, 12, #981 of 1227 🔗

I think they know none of this makes any real difference. But there is the ‘saving Christmas’ con to be followed by the ‘look what you made us do’ con during which citizens will be blamed for meaningless case numbers, whether they rise, remain flat, or don’t reach zero (which of course we know is impossible) and we will be expected to learn our lesson that normal human contact and family life is a thing of the past.

300186 ▶▶ DRW, replying to Leemc23, 28, #982 of 1227 🔗

I think the real panic is that people will enjoy actual human contact over the Christmas truce and won’t want to give it up again.

300197 ▶▶▶ Hieronimusb, replying to DRW, 6, #983 of 1227 🔗

I think we have some way to go with that, the immune response is not yet sufficiently strong. This is principally an infection of the mind and many minds still languish in captivity with the MSM as their jailers.

300242 ▶▶▶▶ DRW, replying to Hieronimusb, 2, #984 of 1227 🔗

They might be worried about it having at least a partially immunising effect though.

300404 ▶▶▶▶▶ Hieronimusb, replying to DRW, #985 of 1227 🔗

If they’ve got any sense, yes; watch out for weapons of mass distraction.

300200 ▶▶ Liz F, replying to Leemc23, 18, #986 of 1227 🔗

Also, the more people get together and talk at Christmas, the more chance there is that news will spread about the great Covid con. This would result in more people questioning the real motives of the government and the thinking behind the “great reset” or “Build back better”, whatever you want to call it.

300206 ▶▶▶ Jonathan Palmer, replying to Liz F, 14, #987 of 1227 🔗

That’s why after Christmas we will go back into lockdown so they can beam more fear porn and propaganda into our homes and recondition the isolated public.

300238 ▶▶ Julian, replying to Leemc23, 3, #988 of 1227 🔗

It’s all theatre

300286 ▶▶▶ Two-Six, replying to Julian, 2, #989 of 1227 🔗

Kabuki.
Not the other thing…

300257 ▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Leemc23, 7, #990 of 1227 🔗

Not necessarily to save Christmas.
More likely it’s to create an excuse to dramatically increase mockdown and vaccine “encouragement” next year.

300174 calchas, replying to calchas, 16, #991 of 1227 🔗

“If it were ever possible to put the enormities which have taken place since last March down to mere blundering, it certainly is not now. The argument that the government has simply blundered, and is now trying to save face by digging itself in deeper does not wash.  Nor does the line about saving the NHS. The NHS has regularly survived winter flu seasons which saw beds lined up in corridors and staff rushed off their feet .”

https://off-guardian.org/2020/12/13/why-this-campaign-of-terror/

300204 ▶▶ John P, replying to calchas, 2, #992 of 1227 🔗

“The argument that the government has simply blundered, and is now trying to save face by digging itself in deeper does not wash.”

You keep persisting with this line, but I’m not having it. Yes, they are corrupt, but they are stupid as well.

300216 ▶▶▶ Jonathan Palmer, replying to John P, 5, #993 of 1227 🔗

They are all stupid in exactly the same way,using the same language to justify their actions.

300234 ▶▶▶▶ Julian, replying to Jonathan Palmer, #994 of 1227 🔗

They are all human and have access to the same information

300265 ▶▶▶ Arkansas, replying to John P, 1, #995 of 1227 🔗

Surely this — “yes they are corrupt” — means that you are indeed having it — “has [not] simply blundered”.

300347 ▶▶ Noumenon, replying to calchas, 2, #996 of 1227 🔗

Saving face is important. You don’t get to just apologise and walk away after something like this.

300184 Cheezilla, 20, #997 of 1227 🔗

Please go if you possibly can!
Debate is tomorrow and will no doubt be full of official bollox.
Will need analysing so we can shred it when we write to our MPs yet again.
All volunteers heartily welcome!

300190 George Mc, replying to George Mc, 35, #998 of 1227 🔗

I was thinking back on communication with a certain blogger who will remain nameless where he was complaining about the “fanatical” certainty of the covid sceptics – and that very notion is a contradiction in terms (sceptical fanatics?). Nevertheless he would use terms like “the church of the sceptics” or “the cult” or talk about how “heresies are not permitted” etc. He stressed the need for a little modesty and a refusal to jump to conclusions.

And I now think:

Now, hold on a minute!

What about the total lack of hesitation and complete embracing of the covid narrative by BOTH the mainstream media AND the Left.

What about how this mainstream media along with the Left comprise the entire realm of most visible communication.

What about how this covid narrative as presented in this central dominating stage, is a relentless monolith that is never countered with any alternative view?

What about how this relentless monolithic narrative is constantly blasted into everyone’s skull every second of the day and has been for the past 9 months?

What about how this narrative centres on a relentless barrage of fearmongering?

What about how this narrative has demanded the complete suspension of all work and social life?

What about how this narrative has resulted in the suspension of medical services with an inevitable result of necessary treatment being withdrawn and thus leading to God know how many deaths?

What about how this narrative instructs everyone on how to dress and how to behave , to wear masks , to constantly wash , to stay away from each other?

What about how this narrative has ruthlessly and constantly demanded the separation of everyone from everyone else (even while continuing to scare them all – individually – to death)?

What about how this belief has been imposed with a clear indication that it is “the new normal” , that it will ALWAYS be like this?

It truly is a dogmatic religion resulting in a concentrated terror campaign that has wrecked all life as we know it.

And yet we the sceptics are the “fanatics”, the “faithful”, the “church”?

And as if to prove who the true fanatics are I have found that no amount of relaying of info about misapplied computer simulations, incorrect terminology (“waves”?) or criminally unreliable tests alters by the slightest degree the convictions of anyone who has been constantly nurtured on this MSM/Left hypnosis. Indeed – they are the ones who come away with vacuous phrases like “I still don’t think you are right” and that’s the end of it.

300211 ▶▶ Marialta, replying to George Mc, 3, #999 of 1227 🔗

Brilliant!

300215 ▶▶ Liam, replying to George Mc, 17, #1000 of 1227 🔗

I repeat what I said here the other day.

The official line: “There’s a bit of a bug going round we’re not TOO sure about. All social life must end. We can’t go within six feet of anyone else or we are no better than murderers. No more school. Biology does not exist, nor does the immune system. Speaking above a state-approved decibel level shall be punishable by death, on appeal this may be commuted to lifelong exile to a penal colony. Dreadfully mentally disabled children shall be isolated in bio-secure cages and forbidden all contact with the only people in the universe who love them. Elderly people who are peacefully contemplating the last stage of their well-lived life must be confined under guard for their security. Buying a pair of socks in Cardiff is genocide. If your disgusting urge to indulge in the revolting act of having sex with someone you “love” or just fancy a bit, be warned, this is subject to review. These edicts can, and will, be updated at any time, without notice and it is the citizen’s responsibility at all times and in all places to be aware of them. More to follow…”

Me (adopts Private Godfrey tone): “Erm, are we absolutely and entirely sure this is completely necessary? I do hate to ask but it does sound a bit of a rum do..”

Everyone else: “EXTREEEEMIST!!! KILL HIM!!! MURDERERRRR!!!”

300254 ▶▶ DRW, replying to George Mc, 5, #1001 of 1227 🔗

We’re the ones advocating for the time-tested scientific approach, accepted as recently as 2019. Never forget that.

300343 ▶▶ Noumenon, replying to George Mc, #1002 of 1227 🔗

It’s like living during the Cult of the Supreme Being.

300196 Jonathan Palmer, replying to Jonathan Palmer, 37, #1003 of 1227 🔗

My youngest daughter had just been told to stay away from school for another 2 weeks after someone in her year group tested positive.She only went back on Friday after being off for nearly 2 weeks because someone else tested positive.
Even if you believe all this virus bollox how can you think this is a way to live life.
She is due to take exams next year.

300203 ▶▶ John P, replying to Jonathan Palmer, 17, #1004 of 1227 🔗

My 10yo niece is also now off for two weeks after someone in her school year tested positive.

Yes, just one person in her entire school year.

300205 ▶▶ Liam, replying to Jonathan Palmer, 17, #1005 of 1227 🔗

Infuriating. My youngest goes back to school tomorrow, until some other idiot gets their perfectly healthy child tested for a zero risk virus and she’s told to stay home again.

300210 ▶▶▶ Jonathan Palmer, replying to Liam, 6, #1006 of 1227 🔗

The child had no symptoms.Why would you get tested?

300218 ▶▶▶▶ Liam, replying to Jonathan Palmer, 16, #1007 of 1227 🔗

People are stupid.

300231 ▶▶ James007, replying to Jonathan Palmer, 6, #1008 of 1227 🔗

It is no way to live life. You are absolutely right!

300237 ▶▶ DRW, replying to Jonathan Palmer, 16, #1009 of 1227 🔗

A mate of mine works at a school, said that they sent the whole year 7 home because one pupil got a cold over the weekend and there wasn’t a subsequent negative test.
Later on they announced a whole school closure over a weekend after one teacher fell ill but it was quickly reversed once they tested negative. All this over a cold, it would be funny if it weren’t true.

300467 ▶▶▶ Ben, replying to DRW, #1010 of 1227 🔗

Imagine if politicians were tested this way. The Houses of Parliament would be constantly empty

300260 ▶▶ The Filthy Engineer, replying to Jonathan Palmer, 19, #1011 of 1227 🔗

It’s a complete and utter fucking shit show.

300338 ▶▶ Noumenon, replying to Jonathan Palmer, 5, #1012 of 1227 🔗

At this rate how do they even manage to run a school?

If the virus is dangerous enough to warrant this insanity how can they justify opening at all? Insane and a complete lack of personal responsibility and decision making.

300344 ▶▶▶ Cranmer, replying to Noumenon, 3, #1013 of 1227 🔗

A young relation of mine has had to self-isolate because of one boy in his year testing positive. I assumed he just had to stay away from school but no – he is not allowed out of the house! There is absolutely no reason, even if you believe the Covid b*llocks, that he should not be allowed to go out on his own on his bicycle to the park etc. I am trying to get his mother to see this; although partly sceptical I think she is still worried about breaking the ‘rules’.

300365 ▶▶▶▶ Noumenon, replying to Cranmer, 1, #1014 of 1227 🔗

That’s terrible for him, sorry to hear that. So many stories are floating around like that, I just hope it’s teaching kids to be wary of following rules and orders without question. That would be the only upside I can see, other than that it is screwing countless people like him over for many many years to come.

There’s no reason why he shouldn’t be allowed out of the house. Even if covid was that dangerous there’s no evidence he has it!

300391 ▶▶▶▶▶ Stringfellow Hawke, replying to Noumenon, 3, #1015 of 1227 🔗

it is screwing countless people like him over for many many years to come.” I suspect this is not an accident, it is by design. Same reason children’s TV programmes are now telling children not to have offline friends, but virtual ones instead; ‘the future of friends is all online’.

300409 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Cranmer, replying to Stringfellow Hawke, 1, #1016 of 1227 🔗

One of the worst social changes since my childhood is the way that the freedom of children’s movement has been removed. As a boy from the age of 11 (not that long ago – 1980s) I pretty much went anywhere I wanted on my bicycle or on the bus/tube on my own or with friends; I went to the cinema on my own or with friends, I walked or cycled to school on my own; I went on holiday with just my older sister when I was 16 and on my own at 17. Nowadays, children are ferried everywhere by car and seem to be barred from doing anything without adult supervision. Yet, as far as I know, nobody mandated this; it happened mainly because of media hysteria over child killers etc.

300437 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Two-Six, replying to Cranmer, #1017 of 1227 🔗

yep. It’s a terrible thing.

300442 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Noumenon, replying to Stringfellow Hawke, 1, #1018 of 1227 🔗

Yes, it’s certainly by design.

Which tv programmes say that!? Is that recent? I don’t watch tv or have kids so I don’t know what it’s like now.

300465 ▶▶ Ben, replying to Jonathan Palmer, 1, #1019 of 1227 🔗

This is insanity. Are teachers actually insane?

They might as well close all schools forever. I have zero respect for teachers and the knuckle-dragging parents who get their children tested

300507 ▶▶ Elisabeth, replying to Jonathan Palmer, #1020 of 1227 🔗

Are you allowed to homeschool in the UK? Might be something to look into. Many in the US are homeschooling now, some have homeschool pods where several families group together. As a bonus, no communist indoctrination. And no mask idiocy either.

300198 Charlie Blue, replying to Charlie Blue, 4, #1021 of 1227 🔗
300202 ▶▶ Will, replying to Charlie Blue, 7, #1022 of 1227 🔗

When public schools (more unionised than most people would imagine) are wetting the bed over this bollocks it is hardly surprising the state schools are closing.

300224 ▶▶▶ Ovis, replying to Will, 7, #1023 of 1227 🔗

They have, or believe themselves to have, no choice. Follow PHE advice and be safe from legal action, or defy it and get destroyed. It’s a pretty simple choice.

There are no genuinely autonomous institutions, there are no checks or balances in England any more. There is only the appearance, covering a centralised system of control and compliance.

300212 ▶▶ OKUK, replying to Charlie Blue, 7, #1024 of 1227 🔗

Greenwich Mean Teach.

300221 John P, 19, #1025 of 1227 🔗

I’m posting these items together as they are in my opinion far more likely to be prescient in terms of what is happening now than any sort of deliberate global conspiracy that for some reason all politicians are extremely fond of.

The revolving door.

Tom Jefferson in 2017 wrote this remarkable piece in the bmj highlighting his concerns over the appointments of Patrick Vallance and Jonathan Van Tam to senior government positions, concerned that their prior senior roles in big pharma meant that they had conflicts of interest:

https://blogs.bmj.com/bmj/2017/12/06/tom-jefferson-the-uk-turns-to-witty-vallance-and-van-tam-for-leadership-revolving-doors/

In 2016 Ian Hislop and Richard Brooks spoke to the Public Administration and Constitutional Affairs select committee about the issue of such potential conflicts of interest in senior government appointments, though they did not highlight the issue on the context of public health.

This corrupt system works both ways, with senior public servants being able to take senior roles as advisors in industry without proper scrutiny.

Acoba, the Advisory Committee on Business Appointments was in 2017 branded as “toothless” by the committee.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P6cFZhVLMEg

300223 MutzNutz, replying to MutzNutz, -46, #1026 of 1227 🔗

It’s not all about YOU

300226 ▶▶ John P, replying to MutzNutz, 26, #1027 of 1227 🔗

I have no responsibility to (or for) you.

300232 ▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to John P, 13, #1028 of 1227 🔗

Please don’t feed the troll.

300235 ▶▶▶▶ John P, replying to Cheezilla, 7, #1029 of 1227 🔗

tbh, I wasn’t sure what to make of the post !

300243 ▶▶ James007, replying to MutzNutz, 21, #1030 of 1227 🔗

I have rights AND responsibilities. Such responsibilities include to provide for and protect my family, and serve my community. One of my rights is to meet these responsibilities.
This government has not just infringed my rights. It has infringed my responsibilities. It has made it harder for me to meet them, sometimes preventing me all together.

The government also has responsibilities. Not to treat us as potentially deseased cattle is one.

300247 ▶▶ Ovis, replying to MutzNutz, 20, #1031 of 1227 🔗

Insisting on mindless compliance is not responsibility, it is abdication of your moral duty to yourself and society.

300249 ▶▶ OKUK, replying to MutzNutz, 25, #1032 of 1227 🔗

Being made to wear a face nappy isn’t taking personal responsibility, it’s infantilisation.

300259 ▶▶▶ The Filthy Engineer, replying to OKUK, 11, #1033 of 1227 🔗

Precisely. Nanny told me to wear a mask so I do.

300261 ▶▶▶ James007, replying to OKUK, 17, #1034 of 1227 🔗

We are still waiting for evidence that facemasks inhibit the spread of Covid-19 community transmission.
Even if there was evidence, masks should at the very most be voluntary never mandatory.

300272 ▶▶▶▶ OKUK, replying to James007, 10, #1035 of 1227 🔗

The only evidence ever offered up by the filthy face rag community are studies from clinical settings where people are familiar with infection control, wear properly fitting masks and don’t fiddle them all the time ie nothing like the everyday world outside hospitals.,

300267 ▶▶ leggy, replying to MutzNutz, 10, #1036 of 1227 🔗

Haven’t you got a bridge to get back to?

300274 ▶▶ OKUK, replying to MutzNutz, 11, #1037 of 1227 🔗

Do you work in a piss poor ad agency? I ask because you’re not doing a very good job of selling your product – bullshit.

300334 ▶▶ Cranmer, replying to MutzNutz, 11, #1038 of 1227 🔗

You’re right. It’s not all about me. It’s about the people whose lives have been cut short by a shut-down NHS; it’s about elderly, confused people in care homes who have been kept from seeing their loved ones; it’s about people whose livelihoods have been ruined by lockdowns; it’s about children and young people whose opportunities have been trashed by having had their education withdrawn.

300440 ▶▶ shorthand, replying to MutzNutz, #1039 of 1227 🔗

Aaaaah leave him alone everyone, I like him, he reminds me of my little Bro he’s full of shit too. Can we keep him?

300255 ▶▶ Charlie Blue, replying to A. Contrarian, 10, #1041 of 1227 🔗

I bet most will accept it when it comes down to it if they otherwise can’t earn a living. And I certainly wouldn’t blame anyone in that position, but it appalls me that they should be put there.

300301 ▶▶▶ Steve Martindale, replying to Charlie Blue, 5, #1042 of 1227 🔗

It depends on the extent to which you consider that a care home workers wages amount to earning a living, some of them may take the line,’when you ain’t earning nothing, you’ve got nothing to loose’. They cannot afford to loose staff on that sort of scale.

300340 ▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Charlie Blue, #1043 of 1227 🔗

What about the fertile women who work in care and in the NCS?

300433 ▶▶▶▶ Two-Six, replying to Cheezilla, #1044 of 1227 🔗

The employers can look forward to less maternity leave. It’s a massive problem in the care sector.

300330 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to A. Contrarian, 4, #1045 of 1227 🔗

Hope they can see it through.

This is the same reason the NHS was deprioritised, they knew it was too polticial as the early signs were significant in terms of numbers against.

300336 ▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to A. Contrarian, 4, #1046 of 1227 🔗

Look at this comment!

Are we going to force all of the elderly to have the jab who live in these care homes? Because where I work, at least half have said they’re not having it.

They haven’t lost their marbles at least!

300435 ▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to A. Contrarian, 3, #1047 of 1227 🔗

The care homes can’t afford to lose half their staff, or they’ll close. This is why standing together ALWAYS works. Refuse the jab and stick together on it. They can pontificate and threaten all they like.

300241 A. Contrarian, replying to A. Contrarian, 4, #1048 of 1227 🔗

https://twitter.com/WearAtoms/status/1337584686592380935

Lol – so why do you need to wear one advertising the fact, then?

300246 ▶▶ Ceriain, replying to A. Contrarian, 8, #1049 of 1227 🔗

Comments are a scream.

300361 ▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to Ceriain, #1050 of 1227 🔗

They were entertaining agree. Loved how they positively hammered the original post.

300294 ▶▶ kenadams, replying to A. Contrarian, #1051 of 1227 🔗

Is it satire? I genuinely can’t tell!

300305 ▶▶▶ OKUK, replying to kenadams, 1, #1052 of 1227 🔗

Sadly not. Unless the purpose of satire now is to keep lies afloat.

300331 ▶▶ Alethea, replying to A. Contrarian, 4, #1053 of 1227 🔗

The comments are an absolute joy. Unless we on this site are also all tweeting, there’s another flock of fiercely sceptical birds with a mordant line in humour and disdain.

300357 ▶▶▶ Liam, replying to Alethea, 7, #1054 of 1227 🔗

Every YouTube video, magazine or newspaper story I read is stuffed with hundreds and thousands of mocking, sceptical, anti lockdown comments. When I was going to the pub every night back in the summer I was giving it both barrels every night and getting good reactions, and the place was packed. There are hordes of us.

300368 ▶▶▶▶ Cranmer, replying to Liam, 2, #1055 of 1227 🔗

Yes there was a tipping point around August/September I think when most online comments (at least by anyone with half a brain) seemed to turn sceptical. Shame it doesn’t translate into more obvious real-world defiance, but hopefully we’re getting there.

300441 ▶▶▶▶ Alethea, replying to Liam, 3, #1056 of 1227 🔗

I just wish I could ever catch sight of us in the world. I’m always the only unmasked person anywhere I go, and I have repeatedly been challenged very aggressively about not wearing a mask. Staff in shops and museums shout at me from across the floor; it would be humiliating if I were less internally tough. Nevertheless it makes me feel miserable and acutely isolated. I am beginning to think that it might happen less often if I were not a woman, and usually out on my own.

I wish someone else would step forward at such moments – one of us – and shout back at the bully. I can, and do, stand up for myself. But I like the idea that one day, I’ll be joined and supported.

300503 ▶▶▶▶▶ Elisabeth, replying to Alethea, #1057 of 1227 🔗

There are few of us, indeed. I’ve had two shopkeepers tell me they wouldn’t serve me without a mask. I told them in that case I will never shop here again, Goodbye! I must not look approachable to the general public because nobody else has said anything.

300332 ▶▶ Noumenon, replying to A. Contrarian, #1058 of 1227 🔗

“#godblessscience” hahaha

300367 ▶▶ Cranmer, replying to A. Contrarian, 2, #1059 of 1227 🔗

It’s hilarious the way people are falling for the bait and asking ‘why do they have to wear a mask if they’ve been vaccinated?’ Methinks a lot of people still believe in the Holy Vaccine as the one perfect redemption, propitiation, and satisfaction for the sins of Covid.

300463 ▶▶ TimeIsNow, replying to A. Contrarian, #1060 of 1227 🔗

That’s so gross. Also a couple of comments in there’s a masked child. Double gross.
I’ve never read comments sections before 2020 but people are getting so inventive with the language it really cheers me up. The DM comments on Lord Sumptions article were something to behold. I don’t use Twitter but is it as anti lockdown as that?

300495 ▶▶▶ Doctor Y, replying to TimeIsNow, #1061 of 1227 🔗

Twitter is a weird mix of self righteous covid sheep who want more restrictions right now… and the full range of lockdown and covid scepticism.

300244 MutzNutz, replying to MutzNutz, -22, #1062 of 1227 🔗

Louise ‘I’m an empath’ Hampton non nurse whistle blower is full of shit

300262 ▶▶ OKUK, replying to MutzNutz, 17, #1063 of 1227 🔗

Just one problem with your nonsense post…April comes before June. April was the height of the hysteria. She’d clearly come to view by June that the pandemic was being totally overblown.Clearly, she felt like she’d been conned. And she’s right – I knew of lots of people in late autumn 2019 who had unusually persistent but dry coughs that went on for weeks. But we are told that wasn’t Covid.

300268 ▶▶▶ sam, replying to OKUK, 10, #1064 of 1227 🔗

i had a short lasting virus in novemebr 2019[ hard to keep track of year now ] and i never get sick. and all i did was stay home for 2 days as we always used to do; world has gone mad[ aside from us lockdown sceptics! ]

300271 ▶▶ calchas, replying to MutzNutz, 4, #1065 of 1227 🔗

delete

.

300430 ▶▶ Sarigan, replying to MutzNutz, #1066 of 1227 🔗

First post mentions cough in December 2019 so stating no cough or cold in 2020 perfectly valid.

300458 ▶▶ TimeIsNow, replying to MutzNutz, #1067 of 1227 🔗

She changed her mind. Fine. We need more people like that.

300245 Two-Six, replying to Two-Six, 24, #1068 of 1227 🔗

PHEW!

300248 ▶▶ MutzNutz, replying to Two-Six, #1069 of 1227 🔗

That’s actually really good! up vote from me 🙂 X

300251 ▶▶▶ Two-Six, replying to MutzNutz, 4, #1070 of 1227 🔗

xx

300258 ▶▶▶ Two-Six, replying to MutzNutz, 2, #1071 of 1227 🔗
300252 Leemc23, 17, #1072 of 1227 🔗

https://www.coronababble.com/post/the-ethics-of-using-covert-strategies-a-letter-to-the-british-psychological-society

Some push back on Susan Michie and her communist friends in the behavioural science group. Absolutely responsible for so much harm.

300253 kenadams, replying to kenadams, 29, #1073 of 1227 🔗

Re. Greenwich closing schools – I will never understand one thing above all others: Even if someone believes in Covid dangers and that lockdowns work, why do they prioritise the health of the most decrepit of their remaining grand parents above the education of their own children?

300263 ▶▶ DRW, replying to kenadams, 7, #1074 of 1227 🔗

Because their grandparents are more likely to die and they believe that one death is too many and must be completely prevented.

300273 ▶▶▶ Charlie Blue, replying to DRW, 13, #1075 of 1227 🔗

Absolutely. Rational discourse about our mortality is banned.

300281 ▶▶▶▶ DRW, replying to Charlie Blue, 8, #1076 of 1227 🔗

I think it has been for some time Charlie, nearly every famous death is reported as a “tragic loss”. Now life is reduced to avoiding dying.

300283 ▶▶▶▶▶ awildgoose, replying to DRW, 7, #1077 of 1227 🔗

Yes, like the 86 year-old Charley Pride, who was obviously in the prime of life and robbed of several productive decades by, “Covid-complications.”

300295 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Liam, replying to awildgoose, 6, #1078 of 1227 🔗

Yes, the reaction was unhinged. 86 is a fantastic age.

300355 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Rowan, replying to Liam, 4, #1079 of 1227 🔗

But for Covid, his best years were still to come.

300362 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Liam, replying to Rowan, 10, #1080 of 1227 🔗

He had his whole afternoon ahead of him.

300318 ▶▶▶▶▶ RickH, replying to DRW, 10, #1081 of 1227 🔗

And depriving the old and vulnerable of normal human contact isn’t a ‘tragic loss’?

What a f.ing warped sense of priorities.

Actually, I believe that this sort of crap is nothing to do with care for the old. It’s about the fantasy and self-regard of the young who live in a fearful state of infantilism.

300282 ▶▶▶ awildgoose, replying to DRW, 16, #1082 of 1227 🔗

One death is only one too many until granny croaks from the vax, whereupon the MSM argument magically becomes, “Silly rabbit, old people die all the time!”

300289 ▶▶▶ kenadams, replying to DRW, 20, #1083 of 1227 🔗

My grandad died in April but not of Covid. He was very ill, in pain, and extremely confused. It was his time to go and a good thing that he went quickly and without prolonged ill health.

Not all deaths are tragedies.

300292 ▶▶▶▶ Liam, replying to kenadams, 11, #1084 of 1227 🔗

Absolutely. I’ve seen people I love pass away and it was a blessing.

300314 ▶▶▶▶▶ Cranmer, replying to Liam, 13, #1085 of 1227 🔗

Modern western secular people have lost any sense of mortality. In the old days, when most people attended church weekly or even if they only went occasionally, they were still forced to confront the memento mori of their own transitory physical nature and their part in the great cycle of death and renewal represented in the Eucharist.

It’s not just a religious thing either; a knowledge of the classics and philosophy can help one to understand this reality outside its religious trappings. But nowadays all people get is mindless consumerism; death is perceived as simply the ultimate credit limit; it’s no wonder they have no concept of their own mortality.

300316 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Liam, replying to Cranmer, 1, #1086 of 1227 🔗

Agreed.

300341 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Stuart, replying to Cranmer, 1, #1087 of 1227 🔗

I’m maxed out and loving it.

300298 ▶▶▶▶ DRW, replying to kenadams, 9, #1088 of 1227 🔗

Of course not Ken. My mum died last month after about a year of decline from a long term condition, in that state it was time for her to be put out of her misery. Same with some other relatives who struggled on with conditions for much longer. Death is simply an inevitable fact of life.

300304 ▶▶▶▶ OKUK, replying to kenadams, 11, #1089 of 1227 🔗

Exactly and respiratory death has always been seen by medics as a good way to go in old age compared with many alternatives. ,

300310 ▶▶▶▶▶ Liam, replying to OKUK, 8, #1090 of 1227 🔗

They don’t call pneumonia the old man’s friend for nothing.

300325 ▶▶▶▶ RickH, replying to kenadams, 5, #1091 of 1227 🔗

Shit happens. Death happens. ‘Get over it’ is the only sane response.

… and if you find that difficult – that’s OK. But thinking otherwise is an indulgence that can’t be afforded.

300360 ▶▶▶▶ Rowan, replying to kenadams, 5, #1092 of 1227 🔗

Some deaths would be a great boost to moral and here I’m particularly thinking of Boris Johnson, Michael Gove, Matt Hancock, Chris Whitty and Patrick Vallance.

300422 ▶▶▶▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to Rowan, #1093 of 1227 🔗

Also Nicola Sturgeon, Mark Drakeford and Cressida Dick.

300353 ▶▶▶ Rowan, replying to DRW, 2, #1094 of 1227 🔗

Or are they simply trying to make life as difficult as possible.

300266 ▶▶ Liam, replying to kenadams, 4, #1095 of 1227 🔗

My parents would cheerfully jump off a cliff to help my children.

300278 ▶▶ Adamb, replying to kenadams, 4, #1096 of 1227 🔗

Couldn’t believe it when my wife told me this. I feel like taking a sledgehammer round to their offices.

300279 ▶▶ Dan Clarke, replying to kenadams, 3, #1097 of 1227 🔗

They believe they can bring the government down and unions will run the state owned establishments on a state paid pittance.

300366 ▶▶▶ Rowan, replying to Dan Clarke, 1, #1098 of 1227 🔗

Whist not good it would probably be an improvement on the present arrangements.

300333 ▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to kenadams, 2, #1099 of 1227 🔗

Here we go again.

Thank the Lord I have no children.

I feel very sorry for the parents having to put up with this crap but then again many of them are complicit too. As I’ve said before there will be hell to pay when the kids of today grow up.

300269 PatrickF, 14, #1100 of 1227 🔗

BIG BROTHER

There is no life, but the Covid life. All other illnesses and diseases are mere dreams: merely Covid, with other names.

Your past life was still your Covid life, but you didn’t know what to call it.

We came into this world with Covid-19 and we’ll die with Covid-19.
Once we understand that we can carry on with our Covid-19 lives.

No need for tests. We all have it. One death, one death certificate, one word: Covid.

300275 DRW, replying to DRW, 8, #1101 of 1227 🔗

JP Sears’ latest: How the media want you to think
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b-LHdEUrGa8
Show this to my former colleagues and they’ll be commending it as good responsible advice.

300397 ▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to DRW, 1, #1102 of 1227 🔗

JP is being threatened with deplatforming.
The video is excellent but there’s also a link so you can stay connected with him.

300328 ▶▶ stefarm, replying to Cheezilla, 4, #1104 of 1227 🔗

91…really. The beauty of hiding faces behind masks. A complete act and fake

300354 ▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to stefarm, 1, #1105 of 1227 🔗

This too:

300380 ▶▶▶▶ Noumenon, replying to Cheezilla, 1, #1106 of 1227 🔗

To be fair she pretty much retracted this if you read the original tweet. Apparently CNN uses new pictures on old articles that get bumped up the news feed. Stupid, yes, but there’s no more to it than that.

300434 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Noumenon, replying to Cheezilla, 2, #1108 of 1227 🔗

Mmmm, with all due respect I’m not convinced.

1) clothing stripes won’t necessarily appear on bad resolution pics, especially if there’s motion when the pics taken. I’m sure you are familiar with how stripes behave funny on lcd preview screens and videos.

2) she’s in her 90s so I’m sure the nurse would find it difficult to locate muscle to inject into. That’s assuming the nurse is even very good to start with, I’ve experienced unexpected behaviours from healthcare professionals before. I once had a blood test where the nurse didn’t wear gloves. I also had a doctor who couldn’t insert a needle for ****.

3) one of the pics where she says there aren’t stripes I can see stripes (about 7.03-25). That and the fact that the other nurse in the first pic has stripes too (7.03).

4) the mask change is probably just a photo ops choice by the media.

5) modern tailoring is shoddy and inconsistent at the best of times and uniforms aren’t what they were 60 years ago. The “ambulance” label is I’d guess just one of those many inconsistencies in design you get between different uniforms these days. I don’t know if you’ve noticed but the services don’t seem to be able to even get uniforms the same colour the days.

There’s dodgy stuff going on but this ain’t it, in my opinion.

300374 ▶▶ Old Normal, replying to Cheezilla, 2, #1109 of 1227 🔗

She also had 3 different masks on in the photos/video.

300385 ▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Old Normal, #1110 of 1227 🔗

Hawkeye!

300290 OKUK, replying to OKUK, 8, #1111 of 1227 🔗

For those of you on Great Reset watch duty…Sweden is going to look seriously at making their currency digital.

300329 ▶▶ Noumenon, replying to OKUK, 2, #1112 of 1227 🔗

What happens when digital currency gets hacked?

300339 ▶▶▶ Stringfellow Hawke, replying to Noumenon, 2, #1113 of 1227 🔗

You find out that you cannot buy food for basically, the forseeable future. Apart from that life is rosy! 🙂

300455 ▶▶▶ Ben, replying to Noumenon, #1114 of 1227 🔗

Or power cuts? Everyone’s skint

300462 ▶▶▶ OKUK, replying to Noumenon, #1115 of 1227 🔗

Just cancel and restart…I really don’t think hacking would be a major problem. Has Bitcoin ever been hacked? I don’t think so.

300398 ▶▶ matt, replying to OKUK, 1, #1116 of 1227 🔗

For all that lockdown sceptics look to Sweden as the great hope, in my experience, they’ve been virtually cashless for nigh-on a decade. So if that’s your thing, you may want to think about it.

300466 ▶▶▶ OKUK, replying to matt, 1, #1117 of 1227 🔗

Going cashless voluntarily is totally different from being required to go cashless.

300454 ▶▶ Ben, replying to OKUK, #1118 of 1227 🔗

Stupid Swedes have already volunteered themselves to get chipped and go cashless.

A cashless society is one of state control and zero autonomy. Cash is king.

300291 George L, replying to George L, 23, #1119 of 1227 🔗

Please read, what’s now happening in France is appalling..

Early on December 10, Jean-Bernard Fourtillan was taken from his home by a team of French law enforcement officers and forcibly placed in solitary confinement at the psychiatric hospital of Uzès.

And so it begins in the so called land of liberté egalite fraternité. It was exactly this sort of threat that was written into the UK’s convid act. The placing of an individual into psychiatric hospital with the say-so of just one doctor, not two. I find this deeply disturbing, and I’m sure all those of influence and high profile who are speaking out against the mainstream narrative do too. We are living in increasingly dangerous times.

https://www.lifesitenews.com/news/accomplished-pharma-prof-thrown-in-psych-hospital-after-questioning-official-covid-narrative

300350 ▶▶ Rowan, replying to George L, 3, #1120 of 1227 🔗

The old Soviet ploy of the mental hospital now making an unwelcome return.

300370 ▶▶▶ George L, replying to Rowan, 3, #1121 of 1227 🔗

Absolutely.. and quite frankly I can see this sort of behaviour accelerate if the official narrative/control looks threatened by high profile people like our own Dr Mike Yeadon and others like him.

300386 ▶▶ Ben, replying to George L, 3, #1122 of 1227 🔗

His photo needs to be displayed in France and on placards on anti-lockdown demonstrations. He must be freed

300399 ▶▶▶ George L, replying to Ben, 1, #1123 of 1227 🔗

Agreed. What’s happening in France is verging on the unbelievable, and unfortunately a majority seem to be sucking it up. The little man in charge and his cronies must think its all over bar the shouting..

300302 OKUK, replying to OKUK, 4, #1124 of 1227 🔗

Which of the following do you think represent the greatest threat to the happiness and security of humanity at large in the near future:

CCP (Chinese Communist Party)

Big Tech (Facebook, Twitter, You Tube, Google etc)

Big Pharma

Far Left

Democratic Party

Covid 19

Climate Change

And why?

300308 ▶▶ Alice, replying to OKUK, 4, #1125 of 1227 🔗

I’d say CCP, because it has its tentacles everywhere, it seems – so it influences other actors on the world stage.

300342 ▶▶▶ Rowan, replying to Alice, 3, #1126 of 1227 🔗

Boris Johnson should be on that list.

300396 ▶▶▶▶ OKUK, replying to Rowan, #1127 of 1227 🔗

I’m struggling to see why! Half the time he seems like someone being beaten with rods to keep on track, the other half he seems to be shouting “Look at me! – I can Build Back Better!!”.

300317 ▶▶ Charlie Blue, replying to OKUK, 8, #1128 of 1227 🔗

I’m going for big tech because I think without it none of the other interests would have the means to attack humanity in the ways we have already seen.

300337 ▶▶▶ calchas, replying to Charlie Blue, 4, #1129 of 1227 🔗

Yes, without big tech the last nine months could not have happened.

300349 ▶▶▶▶ Rowan, replying to calchas, 3, #1130 of 1227 🔗

Without Bill Gates and his plaything Boris Johnson, it wouldn’t have happened.

300392 ▶▶▶ OKUK, replying to Charlie Blue, 1, #1131 of 1227 🔗

Yes – good point…online data harvesting and protective censorship for the Dems/Big Pharma.

300372 ▶▶ Ben, replying to OKUK, 4, #1132 of 1227 🔗

China is communist in name only. (See its poverty and billionaires.) No doubt China is part of the Covid Cabal that’s holding us all hostage. (The United States and Pharma part funds the Wuhan lab.)

The WHO, the UN, the banks, Big Pharma (and its shareholders), Bill Gates and the WEF scare me most. And none of this nightmare would be possible without our politicians and the mainstream media

Never been afraid of Covid-19

300414 ▶▶▶ OKUK, replying to Ben, 1, #1133 of 1227 🔗

Well the number of dirt-poor peasants in China continues to decline rapidly. Income levels have increased hugely since 1980. Deng Xiao Ping, the Supreme Leader of China from 78 through to the late 80s, I think, got into trouble during the Cultural Revolution in the 1960s for saying it doesn’t matter what colour the cat is as long as it catches the mouse. Ponder what that means. Is the cat China or Communism and is the mouse the the non-Chinese world or the non-Communist world – and to most Chinese Communists do these distinctions matter?

300423 ▶▶▶▶ Ben, replying to OKUK, 2, #1134 of 1227 🔗

I’m no fan of China. Its desire to promote QR code health passport technology on the rest of the world is an act of aggression IMO. But there’s still poverty in China, anti-suicide nets around factories, scandals about Apple stores etc. Its social credit system is a dystopian nightmare

However, the Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation has a relationship with China and the United States participated in the military games in Wuhan

Almost every nation is in bed with China, including the Americans and it seems like everyone who says they hate China has a home full of products made in China. China is State run capitalist. Hence Chinese billionaires

300459 ▶▶▶▶▶ OKUK, replying to Ben, #1135 of 1227 🔗

Yes I remember the Trot debates about the Soviet Union in the 70s – state capitalist or deformed workers state. Seems to me if you concentrate the power of your whole economy into one person’s hands that is all a bit irrelevant. It is what it is. Probably nakes more sense to describe it as a Pharaoh State.

300402 ▶▶ Andrew K, replying to OKUK, 6, #1136 of 1227 🔗

I would say 90% of the population who can’t think for themselves. Non of the above terrify us without the fuckwit braindead population.

300408 ▶▶▶ Ben, replying to Andrew K, 4, #1137 of 1227 🔗

Agreed. Human stupidity has brought us to this stage

300413 ▶▶▶ annie, replying to Andrew K, 1, #1138 of 1227 🔗

Agreed,

300420 ▶▶▶ OKUK, replying to Andrew K, 1, #1139 of 1227 🔗

I’d say that was grossly unfair. You always need a figure to express the people’s opinion so people can gather around that person. Lech Welesa was probably the classic example. Where are our leaders? Until Desmond Swayne spoke up in September I think there was not a single MP clearly opposing lockdowns. It was scandalous dereliction of duty. I predict that at the first opportunity to make their feelings known at the ballot box, people will.

300416 ▶▶ Bella, replying to OKUK, 4, #1140 of 1227 🔗

You missed out Bill Gates. (I don’t consider him pharma or tech.)

300421 ▶▶▶ OKUK, replying to Bella, #1141 of 1227 🔗

I missed out GSorOs as well!

300439 ▶▶ TheBluePill, replying to OKUK, #1142 of 1227 🔗

Wow there are so many threats, many more than listed.

However, number 1 is social media, conditioning stupid people to think that their ill-conceived and moronic stream-of-consciousness, is more valid than that of someone who has actually thought about things for more than a millisecond.

300472 ▶▶▶ OKUK, replying to TheBluePill, #1143 of 1227 🔗

I’ve noticed that those on the PC-globalist-Leftist side of things seem to privilege GIFs, movie references, virtue signals , threats, doctored pics, insults, and inaccurate comparisons over reasoned debate.

300306 Tommy the Cat, replying to Tommy the Cat, 7, #1144 of 1227 🔗

Just asking, but I voted for Bob’s cartoons in the competition and was supposed to get a confirmation email to verify I was a unique person. But I’ve not received anything for over a day and have checked my junk mail. Anyone else had similar issues?

300309 ▶▶ Charlie Blue, replying to Tommy the Cat, 4, #1145 of 1227 🔗

Same here

300312 ▶▶ Sodastream, replying to Tommy the Cat, 6, #1146 of 1227 🔗

Oh I did that too abs no didn’t get an email I e only just realised now you’ve said…

300320 ▶▶▶ Tommy the Cat, replying to Sodastream, 4, #1147 of 1227 🔗

Humm, annoying. Maybe we should a mass one to the organisers.

300324 ▶▶▶▶ Tommy the Cat, replying to Tommy the Cat, 1, #1148 of 1227 🔗

Mass email I mean

300321 ▶▶ mjr, replying to Tommy the Cat, 5, #1149 of 1227 🔗

i voted friday and did get an email . so maybe a glich. try again..

300323 ▶▶▶ Tommy the Cat, replying to mjr, 1, #1150 of 1227 🔗

Cool, will keep an eye out, and post back in if I don’t get one.

300326 ▶▶ Noumenon, replying to Tommy the Cat, 4, #1151 of 1227 🔗

I got an email but it went into spam.

300358 ▶▶ Tommy the Cat, replying to Tommy the Cat, 2, #1152 of 1227 🔗

Just did it again using gmail. Confirmation email went straight to Spam folder, which is weird because it’s a new sender, so would never do that normally. Anyway, please check you mails to make sure your votes count.

300388 ▶▶ Mabel Cow, replying to Tommy the Cat, 1, #1153 of 1227 🔗

I didn’t get a confirmation email, so I tried again the following day with a different email address and once again, did not get a confirmation email.

300401 ▶▶▶ Mabel Cow, replying to Mabel Cow, 2, #1154 of 1227 🔗

The spam folder provides. Silly me, should have checked.

300403 ▶▶▶ Tommy the Cat, replying to Mabel Cow, #1155 of 1227 🔗

Good stuff.

300415 ▶▶ Bella, replying to Tommy the Cat, 1, #1156 of 1227 🔗

I voted on Friday, for Bob, and got an email

300426 ▶▶ GiftWrappedKittyCat, replying to Tommy the Cat, #1157 of 1227 🔗

I got an email but when I clicked on the link nothing happened.

300311 arfurmo, replying to arfurmo, 9, #1158 of 1227 🔗

How proud the concerned person who got the plug pulled on a Xmas lightshow must feel knowing that he or she may have saved at least one life https://www.somersetlive.co.uk/news/somerset-news/tintinhull-christmas-lights-switched-after-4794360

300379 ▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to arfurmo, 6, #1159 of 1227 🔗

The saddest bit is that they blame the people “breaking the rules” and not the one miserable git who phoned the police.

“Such a shame as we have had many pleasant families who have stuck to our requests and have helped us keep everyone else safe. There’s always a certain few who think the rules don’t apply to them.”

300489 ▶▶▶ Jonathan Palmer, replying to Cheezilla, 2, #1160 of 1227 🔗

No the saddest thing is that we live in a society where Christmas lights have become a police matter

300479 ▶▶ stevie119, replying to arfurmo, #1161 of 1227 🔗

Bugger. We were going to see the lights of Tintinhull tomorrow because its lovely and only 3 or so miles. Not no more.

300322 Two-Six, 1, #1162 of 1227 🔗

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With live chat!

300348 Ben, replying to Ben, 8, #1163 of 1227 🔗

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300371 ▶▶ Stringfellow Hawke, replying to Ben, 3, #1164 of 1227 🔗

Kinda sounds like a Wrestling name doesn’t it? “introducing now… Andre the Giant & his tag team partner… Big Pharma!” 🙂

300382 ▶▶ OKUK, replying to Ben, 4, #1165 of 1227 🔗

One hopes it will be a case of Big Karma when the CEOs go to prison for their collaboration with Chinese spy rings.

300351 BeBopRockSteady, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 9, #1166 of 1227 🔗

This happened remember?

300356 ▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 13, #1167 of 1227 🔗

Ah, those were the days!
We were so young and innocent.

300359 matt, replying to matt, 17, #1168 of 1227 🔗

So, the leader of Greenwich Borough Council has written to head teachers in the borough “asking” them to close from tomorrow and move to online learning. I’ve just written to him, to the council “cabinet” members responsible for the economy and for children, along with my kids’ school’s head teacher and head of site (copy our local MP and Gavin Williamson) requesting a full explanation, in the light of the fact that child-to-child and child-to-adult transmission is virtually nonexistent and threatening legal action. I’ve also pointed out how unfortunate it is that the phrasing of this as a request makes the individual schools liable, most likely.

300369 ▶▶ Stringfellow Hawke, replying to matt, 6, #1169 of 1227 🔗

Well done. TY for posting.
Friend of mine has 2 children both been at home for a while – one was part of an entire year group forced to self-isolate because a single child tested +ve (zero symptoms); the second child is a totally different age group, but was told cannot go to school while his sibling was staying at home. Completely ludicrous, of course, as there literally appears to be no possible end to this, the only answers thus far from the school is along the lines of ‘more testing is the key’. My friend is pushing for more accountability, trying to get justification – seeing as the Gov has admitted (per AG’s FOIA, kindly posted here) that a simple PCR test alone is no proof of infection.

300376 ▶▶ Jo Dominich -, replying to matt, 8, #1170 of 1227 🔗

Teachers getting another jolly holiday having not worked for most of the year. Online learning? Nonsense.

300364 Danny, replying to Danny, 53, #1171 of 1227 🔗

So every school in Camden borough is now closed. Thousands of little excited kids robbed of things like Christmas plays, exchanging cards, playing games on the last day etc. No great loss, some might say. Get back in your houses where you can be safe and stop being selfish.
I profoundly disagree and find the thought of all those classrooms in darkness tomorrow really sad.
That’s without even considering all those disadvantaged kids or just kids from turbulent, unhappy homes, being robbed of a few days of joy, on the utterly middle class contention that they will be fine at home.
Speaking as both a parent and a teacher, I think this is shameful neglect.

300373 ▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Danny, 7, #1172 of 1227 🔗

Did they know on Friday that schools would be closed tomorrow?!

I’m thinking of the kid’s special possessions that they left inadvertently behind.
The forgotten lunchboxes whose contents will fester for the next few weeks.
The card they’d made for their parents …..

300384 ▶▶▶ matt, replying to Cheezilla, 10, #1173 of 1227 🔗

At least ours are open tomorrow.

It’s revolting, arrogant behaviour on the part of people who simply cannot see past their own self interest. My kids will be fine, for all that they’ll lose another couple of days of meaningful education, and my wife and I will get by OK getting work done at home as usual while they entertain themselves. But there will be hundreds if not thousands of local parents who have to take three extra days off work and so not earn any money at a time when they can almost certainly not afford to lose 3 days’ work. That’s ignoring the scores of kids for whom every extra day at home is an extra day of risk.

300378 ▶▶ DRW, replying to Danny, 9, #1174 of 1227 🔗

I bet some teachers are celebrating at getting to WFH again at the darkest, coldest and wettest time of the year. There was a two buttons meme back in the summer about “Re-open schools” VS “More sleep, no commute, mute annoying kids”

300405 ▶▶▶ Ben, replying to DRW, 12, #1175 of 1227 🔗

2020, when it emerged that teaching unions hate schools and teachers and teachers hate children

300377 OKUK, replying to OKUK, 21, #1176 of 1227 🔗

I know many of you think Bill Gates is an inhuman monster. Well he’s been on CNN, being interviewed by Jake Tapper, to show you just how wrong you are…

He’s calling for all bars and restaurants in the USA to be closed for the next six months.

He wants lockdowns and masking to continue into
2022.

And he wants every single person on the planet to be vaccinated against Covid 19.

300387 ▶▶ Janice21, replying to OKUK, 8, #1179 of 1227 🔗

I actually feel physically sick.

300394 ▶▶▶ Al T, replying to Janice21, 1, #1180 of 1227 🔗

Me too!

300393 ▶▶ Ben, replying to OKUK, 11, #1181 of 1227 🔗

How does this one single man, who nobody’s voted for, have the power to control the world?

300395 ▶▶▶ Noumenon, replying to Ben, 8, #1182 of 1227 🔗

Because nobody as yet says “no”.

300412 ▶▶▶▶ annie, replying to Noumenon, 1, #1183 of 1227 🔗

We do,

300419 ▶▶▶▶▶ Noumenon, replying to annie, 4, #1184 of 1227 🔗

Yes, but we don’t run multinationals or army divisions.

300418 ▶▶▶▶ TheOriginalBlackPudding, replying to Noumenon, 4, #1185 of 1227 🔗

Exactly. It needs people with the power to grow a pair and tell him that the second word is “off” and the first has four letters. Instead they are like starstruck teenyboppers.

300468 ▶▶▶▶▶ Noumenon, replying to TheOriginalBlackPudding, 1, #1186 of 1227 🔗

It’s because they are too comfortable at the moment and the people aren’t suffering enough to cause mayhem. When that happens powerful people will take sides.

300470 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Noumenon, replying to Noumenon, #1187 of 1227 🔗

It’s for that reason that it’s not quite time. Heed Napoleon’s words (I paraphrase): “never interrupt an enemy while he is making a mistake”.

300476 ▶▶▶ Jonathan Palmer, replying to Ben, 4, #1188 of 1227 🔗

Those who attribute this crisis to government incompetence really need to explain Gates role in all this.A couple of weeks ago he flew in to meet Johnson to discuss vaccine rollout.
A man with no medical training and elected by no one,but it all passes without comment in the MSM as if this is normal.
He is allowed time to pontificate on how we deal with this crisis in countless fawning interviews.
I don’t believe he is totally responsible as one man,however rich hasn’t the power to make the world dance to his tune

300475 ▶▶ stevie119, replying to OKUK, 4, #1189 of 1227 🔗

Jesus! Can`t somebody just shoot the cunt ?

300383 Cheezilla, 12, #1190 of 1227 🔗

Bumping. Please go if you can:

300400 George Mc, replying to George Mc, 7, #1191 of 1227 🔗

John Steppling (one of the few Lefts who has something functioning between his ears) supplied a link to this article which he correctly described as “psychotic”. It’s a piece of serious protection racketeering:

https://www.thedailybeast.com/heres-how-we-handle-people-who-refuse-to-get-covid-vaccines

And I think it highlights another potentially catastrophic aspect of the covid con: the setting up of the most violent division there has ever been in Western society. Blacks and whites? Right and Left? You ain’t seen nothing yet! Here we have an impending shoot out fuelled by viral terror!

300407 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to George Mc, 6, #1192 of 1227 🔗

They’ve got no fear. Even if you supported all of that, would you still not be wise enough to understand that vax passport is a gateway to all sorts of nefarious surveillance. Awful stuff. And what does he think ‘normal’ will look like when the 40% of hesitants are eventually so tortured by exclusions and propaganda that they agree. Do they just get back to being your friend? A reliable employee? An informed, engaged member of society (Fitter Happier and More Productive)?

You’ll not see normal again. Its slipping from his fingers with every sentence he types and the repeated mentions of freedom are some exceptional examples of double think.

I hope the writer understands the vaccines could well need to taken every 3 months as the immunity they claim may not last very long. You’ll be strapping up on a regular basis.

300406 Old Normal, replying to Old Normal, 13, #1193 of 1227 🔗

Another fishy Sturgeon deal rears its ugly head.

https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/scottish-news/fury-6m-taxpayer-cash-spent-23158532

The temporary hospital in Glasgow has treated no Covid patients but apparently has a security contract with G4S and a very large laundry contract.

It’s time all the Scottish press started to look at what’s going on here more closely.

300411 ▶▶ annie, replying to Old Normal, 5, #1194 of 1227 🔗

That is SO reminiscent of the old ‘Yes Minister’ episode entitled ‘The
Compassionate Society’!

300428 BeBopRockSteady, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 9, #1195 of 1227 🔗

On the PCR review. I believe this is the Dutch parliament where the retraction paper has been brought up and moving to debate.

https://youtu.be/1YY8c8xKLF0

It’s good to see one of the major battles still moving into the light. Despite so many set backs. PCR being outed will be huge. One country takes the lead, others will follow

300453 ▶▶ annie, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 1, #1196 of 1227 🔗

Quack quack, bleat bleat. If, just for once, they quack and bleat the truth…

300431 BeBopRockSteady, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 5, #1197 of 1227 🔗

British Columbia overdose deaths for the same period compare to covid death is 5 to 1.

https://mobile.twitter.com/Woofcoast/status/1337248689736204288

300447 ▶▶ Two-Six, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 4, #1198 of 1227 🔗

Safe places for opiate addicts to inject themselves has been prohibited for no other reason than to look tough on drug use. It is a policy that is causing carnage. All those deaths almost all of which are preventable due to the war on drugs. Killed with concern and dare I say it Alarm!

300432 Country Mumkin, 3, #1199 of 1227 🔗

Don’t know how to précis this, except to say I believe it to be a very important thread to read. It says a lot about the war of the scientists.

https://mobile.twitter.com/andrew_croxford/status/1338156245447020544

300438 swedenborg, replying to swedenborg, 6, #1200 of 1227 🔗

https://apnews.com/article/fact-checking-afs:Content:9768999400

AP news(MSM) Factchecking that Ivermectin is not for treatment of C-19.(That means not approved by FDA/NIH is the proof) There are already 10 RCT (Randomized Control Trials) showing positive  effect and numerous observational studies.

https://ivmmeta.com/
 Just shows that factchecking is just paying off Big Pharma. Vaccine is the only game in town(+PCR tests)

300452 ▶▶ OKUK, replying to swedenborg, 1, #1201 of 1227 🔗

Not Fact Checking, it’s Fatuous Checking.

300443 swedenborg, replying to swedenborg, 6, #1202 of 1227 🔗

https://twitter.com/Kevin_McKernan/status/1338195139022426117
 Drosten has got a formidable opponent in McKernan (said to have done most PCR in the world) who picks article after article high lightning defects in Drosten’s protocol. This twitter thread is for experts but considering that 75% of PCR tests are based upon Drosten protocol, will the house of cards…???

300450 ▶▶ OKUK, replying to swedenborg, 5, #1203 of 1227 🔗

Nope. This is politics, ideology and corruption. Against those, facts are quite weak. We need to change the politics and the ideology, then destroy the lives of those engaged in corruption.

300444 Mrs issedoff, replying to Mrs issedoff, 14, #1204 of 1227 🔗

Not sure how much longer I can keep going. Just had a massive row with my other half, why the hell does he believe all the shite being fed on MSM?. He has gone to bed in a big huff and I am left here feeling like I am about explode. Please, someone make me feel better. What the hell is wrong with people?, why have they been brainwashed and led to believe that Covid is such a killer disease?.

300460 ▶▶ calchas, replying to Mrs issedoff, 4, #1205 of 1227 🔗

Yeah – I’m sure it’s difficult.

I know that I wouldn’t be able to live with somebody under hypnosis.

The question is wheter he is open to rational discussion?

My ‘go to’ argument right now is Germany.

1.35 million ‘cases’ so far, but with all cause mortality unchanged and the number of patients treated for severe acute respiratory infections running at 10 to 15 % below 2019 all of this year.

Summing up – 1.35 million ‘cases’ , no impact on vital statistics.

300461 ▶▶ Flying Saucer, replying to Mrs issedoff, #1206 of 1227 🔗

A suggestion: turn the TV off (and all the subliminal messaging) and sit down with your other half and have a nice cuppa (or glass of wine), talk about things you both like!

300464 ▶▶ Noumenon, replying to Mrs issedoff, 4, #1207 of 1227 🔗

Sorry to hear that! People believe because they are scared. The uncertainty of bringing everything they hold to be true into disrepute is too much for them to handle, especially if it happens too suddenly.

I’ve no idea what your situation is vis-a-vis your other half but generally with most people you need to chip away at the small things and downplay rather than debunk.

300471 ▶▶ stevie119, replying to Mrs issedoff, 5, #1208 of 1227 🔗

I am sorry that I cannot help. Mine is on our side but not to the same extent as me. My main problem is my sister who is similar to your O/H and this casts a big shadow over the festive season. They were saying that during lockdown 1 that they had to not tell her if they had been out and about in case she got upset. For Fucks sake. This nonsense really has exposed huge, previously unnoticed differences between people that appear insurmountable. Maybe you could talk it through. Or just stab him.

300474 ▶▶ Mabel Cow, replying to Mrs issedoff, 5, #1209 of 1227 🔗

I don’t think it’s possible to talk people round on this matter. It’s about belief and ego defence, not facts or rational thinking.

I watched my mum try to convince my dad to stop smoking for years and she got nowhere. Logic, emotion, pleading: nothing worked. And then my dad’s mum (a heavy smoker) died of cancer. Within a week my dad had put down his tobacco and never smoked again. People need to choose their own path, I think.

300481 ▶▶ Jimk, replying to Mrs issedoff, #1210 of 1227 🔗

I went through the exact same thing with my wife on Friday night. Separate beds, barely spoke Saturday, slight thaw Sunday.

300482 ▶▶ Andrea Salford, replying to Mrs issedoff, 1, #1211 of 1227 🔗

Just know you’re not alone in that situation. Me and OH have a negotiated peace at the moment but massive passive aggressive situation when we go to shops together – me mask less (apparently selfish but he tolerates it) and him pompously masked which makes my blood boil. Agreed he’s just virtue signalling since he accepts it’s not the deadly virus we’re meant to believe. Hang in there, we’ll get through.

300485 ▶▶ OKUK, replying to Mrs issedoff, 4, #1212 of 1227 🔗

Very tricky when the political intrudes on the personal. I would go back to basics and say let’s agree between the two of us that we both want the best for ourselves, for our family and for society at large. We just disagree on how best to achieve that. But that means we are both good people seeking the best.

Then take it from there!

300499 ▶▶ HutchD, replying to Mrs issedoff, #1213 of 1227 🔗

Don’t despair. I too am wondering what the heck is wrong with people.Where is their backbone?Spoke to couple of people on dog walk yesterday and they look at me as if I’m mad when I say we have to get on with things.It’s just a virus.
Lost hubby in May thanks to lockdown. He wouldn’t seek medical advice. He’s one of the forgotten statistics.I will never forgive these charlatans .

300445 OKUK, replying to OKUK, 13, #1214 of 1227 🔗

Looks like, despite the Court Order banning release of the findings of the independent forensic inspection of the Dominion voting processes in Antrim County, Michigan there has been a leak of the findings as follows:

– The machine was shipping out votes to Europe (Spain and Germany) via the internet for “adjudication”. This allowed the totals to be manipulated. This confirms what Sidney Powell has been claiming.

– The tampering was hidden in the “error rate”, which the forensic inspectors were surprised by. It was a sophisticated hide. Not sure what this means exactly but maybe someone else can explain.

If all genuine, this feels like a major step forward. We now know how the machine fraud was being worked,

Now to cancel the fraud…difficult but it cannot be allowed to stand. It seems Trump electors (the people Trump voters approved to go to the Electoral College) are trying to lodge their votes with College so their votes then have to be considered by the VP Mike Pence.

I wonder whether the Trump lawyers made the wrong decision in failing to go after the machine fraud preferring to stick with the rampant traditional Dem fraud? The thing about proving the machine fraud is, if you can do it, it’s a pretty massive body blow that calls into question the validity of the whole election.

300484 ▶▶ OKUK, replying to OKUK, 1, #1215 of 1227 🔗

I’m now of the view that Trump should do everything within his power to prevent the assumption of the Presidency by “Beijing Biden” because rubber stamping the fraudulent Biden win means the essential cancellation of the US Constitution. Better he declares Martial Law if necessary and stops the electoral process. Remember, Kerensky could have stopped the Bolsheviks in their tracks if he had had the leaders arrested for sedition as many in the republic wanted. He could have saved millions of lives and avoided a huge amount of human misery, not just in Russia but all around the globe.

The other side can then go to the Supreme Court and so let them decide.

300448 swedenborg, replying to swedenborg, 5, #1216 of 1227 🔗

https://dailyuknews.com/uk-news/leaked-files-expose-mass-infiltration-of-uk-firms-by-chinese-communist-party/

Interesting especially this
The pharmaceutical giants Pfizer and AstraZeneca – both involved in the development of coronavirus vaccines – employed a total 123 party loyalists;

300449 ▶▶ OKUK, replying to swedenborg, #1217 of 1227 🔗

Yes I mentioned that earlier but thanks for the link.

300456 ▶▶ calchas, replying to swedenborg, 3, #1218 of 1227 🔗

2015

“Let’s stick together and make a golden decade for both our countries.”
The words of British Chancellor George Osborne. With this week’s UK state visit by Chinese President Xi Jinping, the British government hopes to step over that golden threshold.”

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-china-34539507

300473 ▶▶▶ OKUK, replying to calchas, 5, #1219 of 1227 🔗

Osborne – coked-up creep who went off to work for a newspaper owned by a KGB guy and his son whilst peddling the anti-Trump Russia hoax. Some kind of tightrope walker!

300457 awildgoose, 4, #1220 of 1227 🔗

The state of Wyoming continues to embarrass itself as a man is arrested for a, “verbal disturbance,” during an anti-mask protest:

One arrested for verbal disturbance during protest against the mask mandate – Wyo4News

No tough guys in Wyoming. RIP First Amendment.

Edit: If that Wyoming mayor and police chief are that thin-skinned they need to find a new line of work.

300477 calchas, replying to calchas, 6, #1221 of 1227 🔗

“Prof. Jean-Bernard Fourtillan spoke of his concern that the COVID-19 crisis was fabricated and is being used to impose a dangerous vaccine on the world population

Early on December 10, Jean-Bernard Fourtillan was taken from his home by a team of French law enforcement officers and forcibly placed in solitary confinement at the Uzès psychiatric hospital of Le Mas Careiron
His bank accounts and credit cards were suddenly blocked by an authority whose identity was not revealed to him. His pensions were also blocked.

Fourtillan gained widespread publicity in a recent film by Pierre Barnérias, ‘Hold Up’, giving a voice to critics of the official narrative, became viral in France.

https://www.lifesitenews.com/news/accomplished-pharma-prof-thrown-in-psych-hospital-after-questioning-official-covid-narrative

300478 ▶▶ BJJ, replying to calchas, #1222 of 1227 🔗

Will Brezhnev deny this happened?

300488 NorthumbrianNomad, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, 10, #1223 of 1227 🔗

Why are public officials describing the situation with positive test results in London as “terrifying” and “catastrophic”? Churchill “mobilised the English language and sent it into battle”. This lot have kidnapped the English language and are using it to enforce their ransom demands. Such use of inaccurate and inflammatory language should be punishable.

300490 ▶▶ Hugh, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, 5, #1224 of 1227 🔗

Deary me, Grandad dodged death at Dunkirk, then came back for more at Wadi Akarit, El Alamein, Monte Cassino. Meanwhile, his parents chose to sleep in their own beds during the blitz on London, despite their estate taking direct hits. And some positive test results are terrifying?

Seriously, I think something has gone wrong with this country. Though perhaps people are terrified because the authorities will follow their silly rules and put London in “tier 3” with all the damage that will cause.

300494 ▶▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Hugh, 1, #1225 of 1227 🔗

They forgot petrifying and horrendous.

300492 Hugh, 4, #1226 of 1227 🔗

Just for the record, if a woman on the train (whose seats probably have faecal matter on them) spends some time blowing her nose, puts her hanky away and then digs out one of those face mask things and puts it on, is thee really any point in this?

300498 BuildVaccineTrust, #1227 of 1227 🔗

Millions of people are lining up to get Pfizer’s COVID-19 shot without being told the FDA sees a risk they will get a more severe case of COVID-19 after the initial protection fades. Testing hasn’t lasted long enough to find out. If the public isn’t warned about *all* risks now, they may not trust vaccines even if full testing demonstrates them to be safe.

The UK, US and Canadian governments provide documents for patients and health care workers explaining the vaccine. Yet as of Dec. 12th, 2020: none of those mention this important issue acknowledged by the US government only in sources most people will never read.

The non-partisan US government’s Congressional Research Service explained : “experts are concerned about the potential for vaccine enhanced disease, in which vaccination could worsen the health effects of COVID-19 infections […]. Animal studies of other coronavirus vaccines have found some potential for vaccine enhanced disease”

A medical journal says after the dengue vaccine’s initial effect faded “vaccinated children in the 2–5 year age group, were found to be nearly 8 times likely to be hospitalized for severe dengue, compared to children in the placebo group”.

The FDA’s initial review of the Pfizer and BiNTech vaccine says its makers “identified vaccine-associated enhanced disease including vaccine-associated enhanced respiratory disease as an important potential risk.” and the FDA adds “risk of vaccine-enhanced disease over time, potentially associated with waning immunity, remains unknown and needs to be evaluated further in ongoing clinical trials and in observational studies”. Unfortunately the short testing period wasn’t long enough to assess the risk.

Media in countries hit hard by COVID-19 haven’t called attention to the issue to date. In contrast a Japanese paper quoted the director of the Japanese Society of Clinical Virology: “Concerns over ADE still remain. I am an elderly person myself, but if I were asked, I would say I don’t want to get a shot.” Elsewhere he explained : “In the past, a dengue vaccine proved effective in tests and was widely used, but then it worsened symptoms for people who were still getting infected.”. A leading professor of Immunology testified to Japan’s House of Representatives: “There’s no doubt that their effectiveness is quite high, but their safety is not guaranteed at all”.

Hopefully continued testing will discover COVID-19 vaccines are safe over the long run, but they don’t understand COVID-19 well enough to predict that.

The text above is the start of content at BuildVaccineTrust.com which was just started to alert people to the issue. There is a petition there and meme to pass on, etc. Apologies that this is the first site its been posted to so no one else has signed it yet. The author may be too busy to check back for replies on this site.

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257annie2, 4, 10, 2, 23, 0, 4, 0, 7, 0, 5, 6, 2, 2, 43, 5, 4, 3, 6, 1, 12, 4, 4, 0, 1, 2, 3, 4, 15, 1, 4, 1, 9, 5, 3, 5, 7, 7, 3, 3, 3, 1, 2, 1, 1, 1, 1, 2, 1, 3, 3, 4, 4, 1, 1, 5, 1
241Ben92, 5, 1, 1, 3, 8, 4, 0, 0, 0, 2, 1, 1, 0, 2, 12, 56, 32, 9, 5, 14, 7, 1, 4, 5, 4, 0, 0, 8, 0, 0, 1, 0, 0, 3, 4, 2, 4, 8, 12, 11
234Two-Six153, 21, 8, 1, 8, 4, 1, 2, 8, 7, 2, 41, 18, 0, 1, 0, 0, 13, 1, 5, 0, 0, 2, 1, 2, 0, 0, 24, 4, 2, 4
219Cheezilla20, 129, 1, 5, 8, 3, 0, 1, 1, 1, 0, 2, 2, 1, 3, 5, 0, 1, 9, 1, 7, 1, 0, 0, 2, 1, 4, 1, 3, 3, 8, 4, 6, 4, 29, 6, 1, 7, 13, 0, 4, 1, 1, 1, 0, 0, 6, 13, 7, 1
192Poppy19, 26, 120, 27
190karenovirus12, 55, 5, 0, 4, 3, 19, 11, 4, 5, 0, 0, 0, 1, 2, 3, 6, 8, 2, 12, 10, 1, 7, 7, 2, 1, 5, 4, 1
186DRW89, 4, 3, 26, 10, 8, 7, 2, 10, 2, 5, 28, 2, 5, 16, 7, 8, 9, 8, 9
174Scotty8743, 43, 37, 51, 0, 0, 0
167Cecil B64, 2, 11, 3, 3, 0, 11, 17, 2, 34, 3, 1, 16
166OKUK4, 10, 7, 25, 10, 11, 1, 17, 11, 8, 0, 1, 4, 0, 1, 1, 0, 1, 0, 0, 4, 21, 1, 5, 4, 13, 1, 0, 5
144Borisbullshit21, 32, 9, 9, 15, 9, 0, 10, 3, 4, 1, 5, 6, 3, 1, 4, 2, 1, 0, 0, 1, 0, 0, 5, 0, 3, 0, 0, 0
139RickH24, 4, 3, 19, 2, 5, 3, 14, 6, 9, 5, 16, 10, 1, 3, 10, 5
136OKUK3, 12, 15, 7, 6, 43, 0, 2, 2, 13, 3, 3, 2, 3, 0, 5, 6, 2, 0, 0, 2, 5, 2
118swedenborg9, 1, 2, 4, 2, 31, 6, 0, 5, 1, 2, 10, 3, 15, 16, 3, 0, 18, 6, 6, 5
109Cristi.Neagu2, 3, 2, 80, 9, 12, 1
104Bart Simpson1, 46, 16, 1, 38, 0, 2
104A. Contrarian0, 40, 0, 1, 7, 10, 7, 13, 0, 8, 14, 4
102Bruce Reynolds93, 9
100Country Mumkin313, 2, 3, 3, 11, 10, 38, 2, 3, 2, 3, 7
97Liam17, 17, 16, 7, 6, 10, 11, 1, 8, 4
95Jonathan Palmer10, 17, 14, 5, 37, 6, 2, 4
94John P191, 22, 2, 17, 26, 7
92Laurence577, 10
85Ovis0, 1, 35, 3, 10, 6, 0, 3, 7, 20
84Charlie Blue4, 8, 0, 1, 3, 6, 3, 4, 4, 12, 4, 10, 13, 8, 4
76Will15, 9, 1, 1, 5, 4, 0, 4, 7, 5, 4, 6, 5, 3, 7
76BeBopRockSteady3, 2, 4, 0, 0, 1, 4, 2, 19, 1, 0, 3, 2, 1, 1, 4, 9, 6, 9, 5
74Judy Watson2, 67, 5
74mhcp6, 7, 24, 13, 0, 0, 2, 0, 5, 1, 13, 3
70Jo114, 37, 4, 5, 5, 4
69James007187, 6, 21, 17
67George Mc8, 17, 35, 7
66Danny13, 53
66Leemc23175, 3, 13, 3, 1, 4, 5, 15
66awildgoose43, 0, 0, 7, 2, 15, 6, 6, 7, 16
65Nick Rose5, 3, 7, 10, 0, 1, 1, 3, 3, 4, 0, 0, 1, 2, 1, 3, 3, 2, 6, 7, 3, 0
59The Mask Exempt Covid Marshall7, 7, 7, 23, 2, 3, 7, 3
57Awkward Git7, 7, 14, 2, 0, 0, 0, 0, 2, 0, 1, 2, 13, 2, 3, 0, 4
52NorthumbrianNomad2, 19, 9, 5, 3, 4, 10
51Catherine Young37, 14
49richmond49
49kenadams0, 29, 20
49TJN2, 29, 16, 1, 0, 1
49alw54, 1, 15, 3, 1, 0, 5, 1, 2, 2, 1, 1, 8
49Basileus5, 2, 5, 3, 1, 3, 3, 0, 4, 5, 0, 0, 1, 0, 12, 3, 0, 2, 0, 0
48chaos3, 17, 8, 9, 5, 2, 4
46Silke David44, 2
46Stuart9, 14, 3, 0, 1, 2, 16, 1
45Barney McGrew2, 19, 24
44matt16, 1, 17, 10
44Hieronimusb2, 1, 1, 5, 1, 5, 9, 11, 3, 6, 0
43Saved To Death21, 22
42GiftWrappedKittyCat21, 2, 19, 0
42Tom Blackburn4, 2, 16, 16, 4
40Noumenon1, 2, 2, 2, 0, 5, 1, 1, 0, 1, 2, 2, 4, 8, 4, 1, 0, 4
38calchas1, 16, 4, 4, 4, 3, 6
37Steve Martindale18, 14, 5
37theanalyst25, 5, 5, 2
37Julian2, 6, 2, 4, 4, 1, 1, 4, 5, 5, 3, 0
36PatrickF10, 142, 3, 4, 2, 1
34WhyNow3, 3, 28, 0
34Banjones0, 0, 9, 7, 6, 12
33James Leary #KBF21, 12
33The Filthy Engineer3, 19, 11
33Cranmer1, 0, 3, 1, 11, 2, 2, 13
32Now More Than Ever32
31Suze Burtenshaw31
31Spikedee12, 3, 1, 13, 10, 2
31richard riewer5, 5, 0, 1, 2, 0, 0, 1, 0, 0, 0, 0, 0, 17
30Angryphon of Tunbridge Wells27, 3
30Simon Dutton28, 2, 0
29Lisa (formerly) from Toronto3, 24, 2
29Andrew K5, 2, 6, 10, 6
29stefarm2, 3, 19, 1, 4
29thinkaboutit18, 5, -1, 6, 1
29Rowan8, 4, 5, 2, 1, 3, 3, 3
28Al T27, 1
28Liam3, 5, 20
28Bella Donna1, 2, 0, 6, 3, 0, 1, 1, 7, 3, 2, 2
27George L23, 3, 1
27Zak Thelotofem6, 13, 8
27Fingerache Philip.7, 1, 2, 14, 3
26Smelly Melly13, 13
25Freecumbria18, 7
24godowneasy17, 2, 5
24CGL2, 8, 1, 13
24Ceriain1, 13, 0, 2, 8
24Bella1, 9, 6, 3, 4, 1
24Ewan Duffy113, 1, 6, 3, 0
23peter23
23FatBastardMcKenzie13, 10
23Mabel Cow1, 7, 7, 1, 2, 5
22Allen22
22Margaret16, 6
22SilentP7, 15
22Marialta3, 0, 2, 2, 3, 1, 7, 1, 3
21Schrodinger21
21DSquared20, 1
21Liewe1, 20
21Liz F3, 18
21TheBigman15, 6
21TheBluePill21, 0
21Stringfellow Hawke2, 2, 1, 1, 1, 3, 2, 3, 6
20crimsonpirate16, 0, 0, 4
20p020990034, 1, 7, 8
19maggie may19
19Lms237, 4, 8
19Voz 0db7, 0, 0, 12
18Biggles18
18HelenaHancart18
18arfurmo9, 0, 9
18Nigel Sherratt0, 0, 0, 0, 0, 1, 0, 3, 14, 0, 0, 0
17Bugle4, 13
17Pebbles9, 8
16OKUK16
16Simon Cook16
16thinkharder16
16CGL1, 4, 0, 1, 3, 7
15Old Normal2, 13
15peyrole12, 3
15charleyfarley3, 2, 3, 7
15PastImperfect5, 0, 0, 10, 0
15Tommy the Cat7, 4, 1, 1, 2, 0
15dommo14, 4, 1, 1, 3, 1
14Mrs issedoff14
14Dorian_Hawkmoon3, 0, 4, 7
14mjr5, 4, 0, 5
14FenTyger5, 0, 3, 2, 4
14Steeve2, 1, 2, 1, 7, 1
13Rick13
13Tenchy7, 4, 2
13sam2, 1, 0, 10
13DavidC6, 0, 0, 1, 1, 4, 1
12Dame Lynet12
12mojo12
12leggy2, 10
12Flying Saucer55, 2, 0
12IanE6, 2, 3, 1, 0
11Hoppy Uniatz11
11James Marker11
11Arkansas1, 1, 8, 1
11bluemoon1, 4, 2, 4
10malasdair10
10Telpin10
10Hugh41, 5
10David Grimbleby6, 4, 0, 0
10stevie1191, 0, 4, 5
9Mark4, 5
9Norman5, 4
9Jane2, 3, 1, 1, 2
8ianric8
8Janice218
8BTLnewbie6, 2
8Jo Dominich -0, 0, 0, 0, 8
7RyanM7
7Sasha7
7Alethea4, 3
7Dave Angel Eco Warrier1, 6
6Amtrup6
6Sodastream6
6Dan Clarke3, 3
6Victoria2, 4
6AnotherSceptic6, 0, 0
5James Bertram5
5James Hargrave5
5Jonathan Smith5
5Nottingham695
5Paul5
5gundagin41
5shorthand5, 0
5TheOriginalBlackPudding1, 4
5Graham2, 0, 3
5Snake Oil Pussy3, 0, 2
5Sarigan1, 1, 2, 0, 1
4Adamb4
4Alice4
4Janette4
4Ken Gardner4
4SionnachAirgid4
4Trixie4
4dhid1, 3
4Tim Bidie3, 1
4watashi0, 4
4Old Bill0, 0, 1, 1, 2
31stJamie3
3Sally3
3Templeton3
3Alan P3, 0
3Chicot3, 0
3Edward0, 3
3Les Tricoteuses1, 1, 1
2Jaguarpig2
2John2
2nottingham692
2PWL2
2rose2
2Sara2
2Sarigan2
2A leaf2, 0
2Gladiatrix-1, 3
2kf991, 1
2PoshPanic1, 1
2TimeIsNow1, 1, 0, 0
1AN other lockdown sceptic1
1Andrea Salford1
1Bill h1
1cubby1
1EllGee1
1Henry1
1John Kay1
1Kate1
1Melangell1
1Ned of the Hills1
1Stephanos1
1TC1
1Waldorf1
1Winston Smith1
1Sylvia Priest1, 0
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0BJJ0
0BuildVaccineTrust0
0ConstantBees0
0Doctor Y0
0HutchD0
0Jimk0
0Elisabeth0, 0, 0, 0
-85MutzNutz-18, 1, -46, -22, 0

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