2020-12-14

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300500 Judy Watson, replying to Judy Watson, 23, #1 of 1822 🔗

Morning everyone.

300508 ▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to Judy Watson, 2, #2 of 1822 🔗

Good morning to you too!

301628 ▶▶▶ Sir Patrick Vaccine, replying to Bart Simpson, 1, #3 of 1822 🔗

Not so dangerous
Risk of catching coronavirus from a family member you live with is just 17% and only one in three people pass it on to their spouse, study finds

Researchers analyzed 54 studies with more 77,000 participants reporting household secondary transmission of coronavirus

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/article-9051691/Risk-catching-coronavirus-family-member-live-just-16-6.html

from Telegraph Our Global Health deputy editor Anne Gulland has asked the World Health Organization about the new strain of Covid-19 discussed by Matt Hancock, the UK health secretary, today.

Dr Maria Van Kerkhove, the WHO’s technical lead says there is “no evidence so far” that the new strain of Covid “behaves differently”.

300520 ▶▶ annie, replying to Judy Watson, 3, #4 of 1822 🔗

Back on the top of the podium!

300575 ▶▶ Ovis, replying to Judy Watson, 1, #5 of 1822 🔗

First the worst

300699 ▶▶ James Leary #KBF, replying to Judy Watson, #6 of 1822 🔗

Judith!

301957 ▶▶ ColoradoGirl, replying to Judy Watson, #7 of 1822 🔗

1st again!

300501 SilentP, replying to SilentP, 3, #8 of 1822 🔗

Is there some sort of kudos attached to being first? If so, I might give it a go

300502 ▶▶ SilentP, replying to SilentP, 3, #9 of 1822 🔗

…but clearly not today!

300576 ▶▶ Ovis, replying to SilentP, 1, #10 of 1822 🔗

Second the best

300579 ▶▶ PatrickF, replying to SilentP, 4, #11 of 1822 🔗

It’s the equivalent of getting a gold star in Primary School.

300584 ▶▶▶ Andrew Fish, replying to PatrickF, 16, #12 of 1822 🔗

Does that mean it’s used to estimate your grades when your exams are cancelled over a decade later?

300690 ▶▶▶▶ PatrickF, replying to Andrew Fish, 3, #13 of 1822 🔗

Gavin Williamson is considering it.

300897 ▶▶ Two-Six, replying to SilentP, 3, #14 of 1822 🔗

You win a lifetime’s supply of face nappies

300504 SilentP, replying to SilentP, 9, #15 of 1822 🔗

London Tier 3 – is there any information available to show if there have been any recent changes to the volume and nature of the testing?

Edit – same question for Wales

300534 ▶▶ annie, replying to SilentP, 21, #16 of 1822 🔗

Yes, Wales has massively stepped up testing. See the BBC article listed above. But the text of the article is.twisted to suggest that the problem with testing is false negatives, which is clearly not what the expert quoted in the headline believes.A right bit of agitprop.
Dungford affects to believe that testing cures Covid. What he really believes is that testing fires up more terror, which he enjoys.

300559 ▶▶ alw, replying to SilentP, 9, #17 of 1822 🔗

More testing in Enfield which is in the borough of Havering because of mobile testing units.

300567 ▶▶▶ SilentP, replying to alw, 1, #18 of 1822 🔗

Do you know if PCR or lateral flow is being used and are the units targeted at catering for particular groups?

300601 ▶▶▶ Toby Pierides, replying to alw, 14, #19 of 1822 🔗

Eh? Enfield is at the northern end of North London. Havering is right out as far as East London goes!

Nevertheless, we all know this is a testing and media pandemic and nothing else. That if you test the population for absolutely anything, you will find some with fragments of whatever it is, inevitably. And there are elements of the media that need to be in the dock in the show trials to follow along with all the Gates shills in Parliament and the ahem “scientific” community…

301977 ▶▶▶▶ crimsonpirate, replying to Toby Pierides, #20 of 1822 🔗

some parts of Enfield have a Middlesex post code (long story) -not sure how that affects the NHS covid app.

300930 ▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to SilentP, 10, #21 of 1822 🔗

London “cases”

03-12-2020 2,434
04-12-2020 2,896
05-12-2020 2,265
06-12-2020 2,362
07-12-2020 3,644 <—- mass testing starts
08-12-2020 3,534
09-12-2020 3,447

Get tested: Get locked down!

300976 ▶▶▶ SilentP, replying to Cheezilla, 1, #22 of 1822 🔗

So it’s going down already. Better go easy on that, can’t have the credit being taken away from Tier 3

301616 ▶▶▶ John P, replying to Cheezilla, 1, #23 of 1822 🔗

Yes, for many the penny simply hasn’t dropped, has it.

301988 ▶▶▶ Laurence, replying to Cheezilla, #24 of 1822 🔗

where are these figures – I can’t find them anywhere and they no longer publish tests by region on the nhs database ?

300505 Lisa (formerly) from Toronto, replying to Lisa (formerly) from Toronto, 30, #25 of 1822 🔗

So close! Was thinking about what to write when Judy’s name popped up first. But I will say that we had friends over for dinner tonight and it was very normal until the Covid shit came up, albeit briefly. I was a bit anxious as I’m quite the loose canon these days and my hubby was concerned about me alienating our friends, but I held myself in check so we’re all good. I concluded that I can deal with friends who can be normal, even if they have partially drunk the Kool Aid. Clearly they’re not insane since they were in my home without taking any “precautions” (not that I would have allowed them), but they do believe there is a pandemic and seem to believe the vaccine will help get us back to normal. To be fair, 95% of the evening was not Covid-related so I can say it was nice having an almost completely normal get together. Off to bed now…

300640 ▶▶ Simon Dutton, replying to Lisa (formerly) from Toronto, 5, #26 of 1822 🔗

Why not send them an email, saying something along the lines of “I saw this on the internet, what do you make of it?”

https://brandnewtube.com/watch/ask-the-experts-covid-19-vaccine-now-banned-on-youtube-and-facebook_qIsNohSIeSgfz2J.html

Should at least tip them a few inches more towards rationality – if not save their health or even their lives.

300700 ▶▶▶ Marialta, replying to Simon Dutton, 7, #27 of 1822 🔗

SD The video you recommend kicks off with people saying there is no pandemic and the vaccine is not safe. How exactly is this ‘in your face’ message going to go down with Lisa’s friends who believe there is a pandemic and believe in a vaccine???? IMO this will set them back and a softly softly approach would be much more effective.

301145 ▶▶▶▶ Lisa (formerly) from Toronto, replying to Marialta, 3, #28 of 1822 🔗

I’ve decided it’s not up to me to try to save lives, other than those of my immediate family. Everyone who knows me well knows I research the hell out of everything and, if asked, am more than happy to educate. The son of one set of friends works for Apotex (generic drug maker) so they might not take any vaccine hesitancy (putting it mildly) on my part in the spirit in which I intend it. DH and I did say we wouldn’t be taking the vaccine, so any of them could have asked why and opened up that conversation. I won’t lie to anyone, but I have learned to keep my facts to myself unless asked. These are friends of almost 20 years and we live in the country now and don’t want to decimate our social lives! I draw the line at behaving irrationally in my presence, but I’ve decided to put up with behaving normally and thinking irrationally!

301181 ▶▶▶▶▶ Matthieu, replying to Lisa (formerly) from Toronto, 5, #29 of 1822 🔗

Yes, totally crazy that we have come to this extent and walk on eggshells. After spending several hours giving facts and sources (by e-mail) to a married couple, friends of ours, not your typical unskeptikal people, I ended up giving up having an exchange of facts with them.
Until this craziness is over, we have agreed to disagree and won’t see each other. Until then I am considered a neo-nazi and conspiracy theorist: I guess I am not alone in this case…

301504 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Marialta, replying to Matthieu, 6, #30 of 1822 🔗

Oh I sympathise with your predicament. I have lost a very good friend of 20 years who lives in Berlin and teaches art. She wears a mask and all her students too. I suggested this was virtue signalling and had no effect. I forwarded an article from The Critic magazine but she branded it ‘ alt right’ which is ridiculous. My relationship with my son is also soured as he has been patronising about my research into this whole affair. It’s just wrong on so many levels the way this virus has been politicised and these social divisions will likely be permanent.

301735 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Lisa (formerly) from Toronto, replying to Marialta, 2, #31 of 1822 🔗

Yesterday my mother said she didn’t want to hear anything that comes from my right wing media sources. I had simply told her that there have been no excess deaths in Canada for 2020 based on Statistics Canada’s own web site. Stats Can is not some “right wing” source, it’s the freaking government! The very same government that shouldn’t want us to know that there has been no pandemic. I won’t be sending any more facts and data my mom’s way, but we’ll be fine as far as our relationship. I haven’t lost any friends and family yet, but I don’t think I’m out of the woods. If anyone thinks I should be force vaccinated or prevented from living by choosing not to be vaccinated, I’m done with them.

301845 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Matthieu, replying to Lisa (formerly) from Toronto, 2, #32 of 1822 🔗

If anyone thinks I should be force vaccinated or prevented from living by choosing not to be vaccinated, I’m done with them.
Suggest you just give them some months for reflexion instead, if I may…
These critical, sceptical movements/sites like this one are gaining in readership – and of course you won’t read this in the mainstream media. We are not talking here about a little conspiracy denied by a few lunatics… I am sure the tide will turn. However, until people realise, the media machine and oligarchs will have created the next panic…
We have to keep fighting (in a non-violent way) with ideas, and we will need to have a long memory…

302047 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Lms23, replying to Lisa (formerly) from Toronto, 1, #33 of 1822 🔗

I sympathise.
I’m lucky that my family all agree with me, though MOH gets fed up with me having rants at the radio/tv.

Came across this yesterday, which is a funny video:

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=b-LHdEUrGa8
How the Media Wants You To Think

and: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=_O9ltm_Gml0
Why Small Businesses Should Stay Closed Forever!

When you’re aware of the manipulation and propaganda, it’s impossible not to see it, and to fall for it. If you’re not yet aware, it’s easy to be deceived.

301830 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Matthieu, replying to Marialta, 1, #34 of 1822 🔗

Thank you.
When I read forums like these I sometimes have the impression I am doing Group Therapy (positively meant, although I have no experience witht the real thing 😉 ).
Funnily enough my son studies in Berlin and we have issues currently, which I kind of sweep under the carpet, saying to myself: “I, too, used to diagree on principle with my old man” (and still do, occasionally…).
The very twisted thing here (Germany) is that people who would be in the the “Antifa” camp – like the aforementioned friends – do not criticise – at least not loudly – the government’s drastic measures and new laws, but are – occasionally – organising counter-protests when “Coronasceptics” go on the street. The Antifa (or some of it) does this on the grounds that Coronasceptics do not distance themselves enough from neo-nazis and conspiracy theorists.
I have nothing against the Antifa as such. But I currently do have something against the lack of critical thinking…
It seems that there are currently two possibilities:

  • 1) People believe there is a pandemic and the government(s) do the right thing(s)

OR

  • 2) People believe their government(s) are conning them like never before and use the pandemic to drastically reduce their rights (making way for “the great reset” or not is irrelevant at this stage).

Believing in 2) would make a lot of people insane. So believing in 1) is much easier…

302169 ▶▶▶▶▶ Suze Burtenshaw, replying to Lisa (formerly) from Toronto, #35 of 1822 🔗

Your attitude is exactly how I’ve decided to be with friends and family. I’ve tried the ‘can you not see what’s going on’ and the please ‘don’t take the vaccine’ approach, and now I’ve decided to do as you’ve outlined in your message. On dark days I think ‘bugger ‘em’, on brighter days I think nicer thoughts.
If anyone asks, I’ll tell them what I know, but if they start with the whole Koolaid nonsense, I’ll change the subject and ask about the dog’s birthday party.

300506 David Mc, replying to David Mc, 112, #36 of 1822 🔗

The vaccine passport thing is bizarre. Once the vaccine is generally available, then what would the need be for the ‘passport’ anyway? Anyone worried about the virus will be able to be vaccinated. So why would it matter if a few other people are not? The Scottish hotel owners mentioned in the post, for instance: if the owner of the hotel and his/her staff have been vaccinated, and any elderly or vulnerable guests likewise, why does it matter if a few guests haven’t been? I don’t understand. But then I don’t understand much of what my fellow countrymen have been thinking since March.

300515 ▶▶ Mark H, replying to David Mc, 77, #37 of 1822 🔗

Be careful. You’re thinking that this CV19 vaccine works the way vaccines did before 2020. You have to remember that the English language is being changed. Vaccines in 2020 don’t innoculate. Cases in 2020 are not in hospital. And so on.

301695 ▶▶▶ Gordon, replying to Mark H, 11, #38 of 1822 🔗

The biggest change, for me, is that deadly diseases are also mostly asymptomatic. I used to understand the term ‘disease’ as being something that made you ill. Silly me.

301889 ▶▶▶ ruth bashford, replying to Mark H, 6, #39 of 1822 🔗

And before 2020 once you had a virus you were immune to that particular virus for life. Not anymore it would seem.

300523 ▶▶ karenovirus, replying to David Mc, 40, #40 of 1822 🔗

Equally bizarre is
‘Mr Steerpike has obtained documents which show that the UK’s plans for negative Covid Passports have progressed . . .’

All a negative test purports to show is that the person was ‘negative’ at the time of the test.
It does not show whether they caught Covid on the way home on the bus.
In same way that having a vehicle M.O.T certificate will not save you from prosecution if an officer stops you and finds a defect the following day.

301815 ▶▶▶ richard riewer, replying to karenovirus, 5, #41 of 1822 🔗

Those people will never be satisfied and they will never stop thinking of idiotic schemes to continue imposing this bullshit on all of us.

300529 ▶▶ Alci, replying to David Mc, 80, #42 of 1822 🔗

“If only everyone would just STAY HOME we’ll go back to normal” —> informing on neighbours
“If only everyone would just WEAR MASKS we’ll go back to normal” —> verbally abusing non-maskers
“If only everyone would just HAVE THE VACCINE we’ll go back to normal” —> agitate for vaccine passports

Parallel universe. When will they realise?

300923 ▶▶▶ Two-Six, replying to Alci, 5, #43 of 1822 🔗

Nigella is on tonight isn’t she?

300606 ▶▶ arfurmo, replying to David Mc, 35, #44 of 1822 🔗

When this starts happening we need a lot of people to email the venue to say “I was hoping to book but I am not going to be injected with a rushed vaccine so you lose “

300624 ▶▶▶ Will, replying to arfurmo, 17, #45 of 1822 🔗

No need to wait. Bombard the twats with emails and keep doing it until their business becomes unviable.

300647 ▶▶▶ GiftWrappedKittyCat, replying to arfurmo, 24, #46 of 1822 🔗

Yes, and leave similar comments on the likes of Trip Advisor and their social media pages too. They may well rethink if it looks like their over zealous policies will lose them business.

301591 ▶▶▶▶ RichardJames, replying to GiftWrappedKittyCat, 1, #47 of 1822 🔗

Good post, but I have tried this and just get the reply “Our Head Office has laid the rules down and they’re not going away anytime soon.”

So I suppose they’ll just have to learn the hard way, then.

300857 ▶▶▶ SweetBabyCheeses, replying to arfurmo, 20, #48 of 1822 🔗

Absolutely. I have told every business that I would’ve visited but now avoid that it’s because of their restrictions/heavy handed treatment and NOT any fear I have of the virus.
If we don’t tell them then how can we assume they know?

301123 ▶▶▶ sam, replying to arfurmo, 6, #49 of 1822 🔗

i’m going to try telling the gestapo like,maybe is new , manager of the grocery store i was almost thrown out of- that i won t be shopping there till no masks mayeb never again because of their insane no mask no entry stupid rule but not sure have enough courage , i have the conviction at least will try for more courage , am inspired by everyone here.

a good friend offered to shop for me but i feel like that’s a weasles way out
id only been going there once every 3 weeks anyway and only wore a thin scarf never a horrid mask love the term face nappy have read here .

300627 ▶▶ Ben, replying to David Mc, 21, #50 of 1822 🔗

Shareholders who are invested in this technology are rubbing their hands waiting for their dividends. Governments get to control us with a Chinese style social credit system

Money and control

300940 ▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to David Mc, 18, #51 of 1822 🔗

This isn’t about a virus.
It isn’t about a vaccine.
It’s all about the “passport” and government control of our lives.

301553 ▶▶▶ Rowan, replying to Cheezilla, 5, #52 of 1822 🔗

It’s 95% about the vaccine and the vaccine is about global population reduction. They want rid of 95% of us and the control is only for the 5% who have been spared the cull.

302242 ▶▶▶▶ Ben, replying to Rowan, 1, #53 of 1822 🔗

I wouldn’t be surprised if that was the case. The vaccines and the endless boosters will slowly kill us over many years so it’s not too obvious. They also steralise

301171 ▶▶ Cristi.Neagu, replying to David Mc, 11, #54 of 1822 🔗

As yesterday’s meme was saying: Imagine a virus so dangerous they have to force you to take a vaccine, and you have to get tested to know you have it.

301822 ▶▶▶ richard riewer, replying to Cristi.Neagu, 2, #55 of 1822 🔗

They know that many of us are not buying their secondhand horse apples.

300511 SilentP, replying to SilentP, 24, #56 of 1822 🔗

Has anyone had a go at raising a petition to stop the use of PCR as the primary means of testing?

From our Senior Doctor in today’s editorial:

” … the Government should scrap PCR mass testing altogether and replace it with lateral flow tests as a mass screening tool with any positive cases thrown up by LFT verified by a PCR test done in a proper NHS lab (not an ersatz Lighthouse Lab) with a cycle threshold below 35″

300533 ▶▶ Steve Martindale, replying to SilentP, 35, #57 of 1822 🔗

I think I am more inclined to raise a petition to halt all routine testing for a disease that seems to me to be, for most people, a jumped up drama merchant of a respiratory virus, much in the same league as flu and colds. Testing for this sort of respiratory disease should be reserved for special situations like Hospitals, Care Homes and peripatetic care workers and needs to be done to a very high standard with any positive result being backed up by a secondary test as used to be the norm for health screening.

300512 Alci, replying to Alci, 69, #58 of 1822 🔗

Just back to my unending Tier 3 prison from a delightful prison-break holiday in Tier 2 land. Took the small people and enjoyed: cafes! Soft play! Zoo! Family gatherings with lots of hugging! (Ahem.) The children were almost as excited as me.

Hate to say it, but I wonder whether London being slammed into Tier 3 isn’t a good thing: it may open some more eyes to the madness.

As I crossed back into West Yorkshire last night there was a big sign over the deserted motorway saying “Avoid Non-Essential Travel”. Fortunately kids were asleep so I could swear fruitily at it.

300535 ▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Alci, 43, #59 of 1822 🔗

Second paragraph mirror my thoughts precisely, tough though that might be on our London readers.
It is truly pathetic that Tory London M.Ps only start to get upset about tiers when their own constituents are threatened with t3 having blithely condemned millions up north to the same a couple of weeks ago.

300539 ▶▶▶ Alci, replying to karenovirus, 47, #60 of 1822 🔗

Absolutely. “It will be so devastating,”they all cry. What do they think it’s been like for the northern cities and market towns, and beautiful little village pubs that have been hammered for months now? I’m a southerner who moved north and could scream at the ignorance of the Londoners I left behind.

300544 ▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to karenovirus, 47, #61 of 1822 🔗

The vast majority of London has Labour MPs, the ones who advocate harsher lockdowns and couldn’t give a stuff about knife crime and the turning of the capital into a Ghost Town.

Now they’re only starting to stir because economic Armageddon is staring at them in the face.

I’m a Londoner but these lockdownistas and their MPs in Islington, Hampstead, Highgate,Kensington, Richmond, etc. deserve everything they get.

Shan’t have any sympathy for them when they get a taste of their own medicine.

300663 ▶▶▶ matt, replying to karenovirus, 15, #62 of 1822 🔗

Tier 3 in London will make no difference in terms of attitudes, judging from conversations on the street. The London public seems to be pretty firmly separated into “it’s all a bloody nonsense” and “it’s a shame, but if only the government had never let us out of our houses in the first place, maybe things would be better”. First group is bigger, in my experience, but I can’t see either group having their minds changed by going up a tier.

I don’t think you can make a moral case for London staying in tier 2 if you accept that swathes of the country should be in tier 3. I just don’t think you can make a moral case for any of the country being in any tier in the first place.

301828 ▶▶ richard riewer, replying to Alci, 2, #63 of 1822 🔗

I used to like seeing the Welcome to Quebec highway sign on my return from Toronto. Now it has been replaced by ‘Maximum Alert!’

300513 Cecil B, replying to Cecil B, 52, #64 of 1822 🔗

Breaking news

Welsh Government vaccine rollout update

‘ We are pleased to announce that over 3,000 people had been vaccinated by Friday

We praise these selfless, loyal, patriots.

In recognition of their commitment we are today granting a special dispensation to the vaccinated

From midnight the vaccinated will be allowed to wear a smear of strawberry jam on their foreheads

This will allow the vaccinated to signal to others that they have been vaccinated and thereby provide reassurance to the yet to be vaccinated

This dispensation is obviously open to abuse by far right wingers and vaccine deniers so we we will be making some minor amendments to the Covid Laws to prevent this

FROM MIDNIGHT

1 All stocks of strawberry jam, both domestic and retail must be surrendered to government officials
2 It will be a criminal offence for the unvaccinated to posses strawberry jam
3 Police will have powers to arrest anyone they suspect of committing a JRO (Jam related offence)
4 Police will have power to detain JRO suspects for up to a year without charge
5 Police will be granted powers to enter homes without a warrant to search for strawberry jam

The locations of JDC’s (Jam deposits centres) are available online

Stay home, stay sober, stay safe’

300516 ▶▶ Richym99, replying to Cecil B, 6, #65 of 1822 🔗

I have fair skin. Do you think I can get away with using Raspberrry?

300538 ▶▶▶ annie, replying to Richym99, 22, #66 of 1822 🔗

Certainly not. Raspberry jam contains pips which are known to harbour up to a trillion coronaviruses per pip. What’s the use of getting your snake oil if you then cheat on your Mark of Virtue and put others in a jam?

300541 ▶▶▶▶ Richym99, replying to annie, 13, #67 of 1822 🔗

I believe the correct term is pith, which is of course, what is being taken.

300583 ▶▶▶▶ Londo Mollari, replying to annie, 10, #68 of 1822 🔗

You could choke on a pip. There must be a jam risk assessment with a view to banning it altogether for ordinary people.

300621 ▶▶▶▶▶ thinkaboutit, replying to Londo Mollari, 2, #69 of 1822 🔗

Quite. It should be jelly only, no jam.

300667 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Sam Vimes, replying to thinkaboutit, 4, #70 of 1822 🔗

According to the science, it must be jelly, cos jam don’t shake like that.

300656 ▶▶▶▶▶ Barney McGrew, replying to Londo Mollari, 4, #71 of 1822 🔗

A friend of a friend knows someone who got a long pip-related condition. Their nose bunged up and they couldn’t stop blowing raspberries.

300744 ▶▶▶▶▶ Richym99, replying to Londo Mollari, 6, #72 of 1822 🔗

It’s OK, I’ve got it sussed. Since I like the combination of Strawbury jam and Marmite, I propose to combine the two and place that on my forehead. Given the appearence of such a concoction it is guaranteed that nobody is going to go near me, so no need for the vaccine.

300716 ▶▶ Judy Watson, replying to Cecil B, 6, #73 of 1822 🔗

Cecil B – you have a winderful and vivid imagination. Always a bit of a light heated read in these depressing times.

300906 ▶▶ mjr, replying to Cecil B, 4, #74 of 1822 🔗

police will misunderstand the regulations completely and arrest people for marmalade and marmite offences

300934 ▶▶ Two-Six, replying to Cecil B, 4, #75 of 1822 🔗

I read that in a welsh accent, it was even funnier

300946 ▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Cecil B, 3, #76 of 1822 🔗

JROs – genius!

300514 Scotty87, replying to Scotty87, 48, #77 of 1822 🔗

If London being plunged into Tier 3 just before Christmas doesn’t create a new army of staunch anti-lockdown business owners, employees and concerned customers, then there really isn’t much hope going into 2021.

The question is, will those affected simply keel over and die or fight and go down in a blaze of glory? I know what I’d rather do.

300519 ▶▶ kh1485, replying to Scotty87, 55, #78 of 1822 🔗

One of the many things that has perplexed me is the lack of any kind of meaningful push-back from the bosses of big businesses. Have they merely protected their own interests and are willing to chuck their employees under the COVID bus. Perhaps they were given the heads-up at the beginning, because their silence has been deafening.

300522 ▶▶▶ Janette, replying to kh1485, 8, #79 of 1822 🔗

Totally agree!

300527 ▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to kh1485, 23, #80 of 1822 🔗

Well said. I’ve long suspected that they were expecting to benefit from small businesses going under. Trouble is, that seems to have backfired as the large chains are not exactly in good shape either.

300542 ▶▶▶▶ annie, replying to Bart Simpson, 22, #81 of 1822 🔗

As we all know, the smaller and more local the shop, the more likely it us to treat you like a human being. Yes, I know there are many exceptions, but the big chain stores are generally worse. Probably they never thought of their customers as real people, even before the bollox started.

300547 ▶▶▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to annie, 18, #82 of 1822 🔗

And a lot of the foreign owned chains are some of the worst. The likes of Zara, Bimba y Lola, Gap deserve to go bust for their over zealous enforcement of the regulations.

300543 ▶▶▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Bart Simpson, 10, #83 of 1822 🔗

I’m sure that will be foremost in mind among Weatherspoons board members as a second tranche of small pubs go under leaving them the pick of new, already licenced, sites at rock bottom prices.

300548 ▶▶▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to karenovirus, 6, #84 of 1822 🔗

That won’t surprise me but I don’t think Weatherspoons will be in a position to benefit either. None of them will.

300612 ▶▶▶▶▶ arfurmo, replying to karenovirus, 8, #85 of 1822 🔗

Spoons aren’t interested in small pubs -they need large premises. Of course if a town had 10 pubs plus a Spoons and 6 of the small pubs go under, Spoons will get more business.That said I do like the Spoons choice of beer and prices.

300734 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ stevie, replying to arfurmo, 5, #86 of 1822 🔗

Wetherspoons prices vary according to competition in the area they are in.

300546 ▶▶▶ Eliza P., replying to kh1485, 19, #87 of 1822 🔗

The owner of the Wetherspoons chain of pubs is fighting back – but it is true that a lot of others are conspicuous by their absence. I don’t get it – because, if I were a business owner, then I would be conscious of my responsibilities to my staff to keep their income coming in as best I could.

300674 ▶▶▶ matt, replying to kh1485, 19, #88 of 1822 🔗

The problem with big businesses (speaking as an insider working for a multinational corporate) is twofold: firstly, the biggest businesses, the ones with the clout to be heard, tend to have significant cash reserves and so can ride things out. And the pain of redundancies in the service of cost cutting doesn’t translate into executive pain. Meanwhile, the execs will not suffer, because the shareholders who hold they key to their future employment will make many allowances for company performance “during the pandemic.” And then the expectation is that they will be well positioned to benefit significantly from the bounce back, not least because of the number of small business competitors who will have ceased to exist.

Secondly, it’s in their perceived self interest to virtue signal as loudly as possible, because they believe that their profile in terms of ‘corporate social responsibility’ is vital to the future commercial success of the business. Heaven forbid they should be seen as advocates for killing granny.

301199 ▶▶▶▶ Borisbullshit, replying to matt, 2, #89 of 1822 🔗

Excellent analysis Matt. I think you have it spot on there. The top brass are very insulated and will bullshit the shareholders (they do that every year!) who will be too gormless to see through it. Also CSR is the new ROCE now and counts for more in many circles. Big business is fully on board with virtue signalling and has no time for the maximisation of shareholder value objective….even into the long term now.

300732 ▶▶▶ stevie, replying to kh1485, 2, #90 of 1822 🔗

Because the big business will survive and flourish as their small competitors go bust.

301747 ▶▶▶ ianric, replying to kh1485, 4, #91 of 1822 🔗

I am surpised many businesses have not fought back. One thing businesses should have raised a fuss about what the justitifiation for closing their businesses. The supposed justification for closing businesses was that if staff and customers were in close proximity they might infect each other. This didn’t apply to many businesses which were forced to close. Clothes shops, electrical shops, bookshops, museums and galleries are often very big, don’t have many customers in at the same time and it is very easy for customers to stay far apart from each other even with a large number of customers. Small shops can only hold a small number of customers. My town had a branch of Peacocks which has since closed and I was the only customer if I went in. In hotels the customers stay in seperate rooms and only mix at breakfast time and this doesn’t happen in hotels which don’t serve breakast. Businesses should have fought against closure on the basis it was unlikely customers and staff would infect each other.

In another post I highlighted an issue with lockdown rules is that they take a blunt one size fits all when forcing businesses to close. If I ran a large restaurant where tables are spread out and it is easy for customers to stay a long distance from each other I would be treated the same way as a restaurant where the tables are close together and it is difficult for customers to stay far apart. Not a single businesses raised this issue of businesses having to close regardless of their characteristics.

Big firms may have cash reserves but how long will reserves last with prolonged lockdowns and there is no certainity how long businesses will be prevented from operating. If people are used to buying online or from supermarkets, people may no longer go back to old habits.

I feel lockdown laws had no scientific basis and were a shock tactic to terrorise the population as the government was giving the message “this disease must be really bad to introduce all these draconian laws”. One way of achieving this was to close as many businesses as possible even if there was justification.

300525 ▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to Scotty87, 26, #92 of 1822 🔗

Agree. I’ve been despairing at many of my colleagues who despite the threat of Tier 3 and looming redundancy are still moaning about people not following the rules and think that the vaccine is the magic bullet that will be the solution to our problems. Am just waiting the right time to mention infertility and Bell’s Palsy.

And businesses in London should find their backbone and fight back against these restrictions. Its depressing to see swathes of Oxford Street and Regent Street among others with shops, pubs and restaurants closed never to reopen again.

If they all found their collective backbone and challenged the police to fine them & attempt to shut them down, that would confuse the hell out of the authorities and keep them busy for the next 50,000 years.

300540 ▶▶▶ TheBigman, replying to Bart Simpson, 22, #93 of 1822 🔗

Largest transfer of wealth and we are welcoming it apparently.

No one wants to be the first to put their head up to call it out.

300549 ▶▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to TheBigman, 12, #94 of 1822 🔗

The silence is indeed deafening. These businesses who refuse to fight back deserve to go bust.

300565 ▶▶▶ TC, replying to Bart Simpson, 11, #95 of 1822 🔗

It might be interesting to see what happens in January as I suspect a lot of commercial rents fall due for payment in advance at the end of this month.
It may be the last straw for some businesses.
It’s all very good to be given furlough staff income but that’s reduced now and London rents in particular have been high for commercial properties.

300566 ▶▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to TC, 10, #96 of 1822 🔗

I suspect that more and more shops will be unable to pay their rent come the New Year. Furlough has been nothing but a sticking plaster as more businesses go bust or lay off workers.

300537 ▶▶ Steve Martindale, replying to Scotty87, 30, #97 of 1822 🔗

I feel it is a moment for Tim Martin to lead Weatherspoons in a lockdown refuseniks revolution, they are big enough to give the health tyrants a run for their money.

300984 ▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Steve Martindale, 2, #98 of 1822 🔗

Already in hand. See my post later.

300517 Bart Simpson, replying to Bart Simpson, 22, #99 of 1822 🔗

Mr Bart & I went to Two Tree Island yesterday for a spot of bird watching. Although the weather wasn’t great, we enjoyed out walk and seeing wading birds. There weren’t that many people either and it was almost like it was 2019 all over again.

Except for one woman who walked past me wearing a muzzle.

AAAAAAAAARRRRRRRGGGGGGGHHHHHHHH!!!!

Thankfully our day ended on a positive note when we stopped by a fishmonger who gave us superb service despite us being muzzle free.

300545 ▶▶ annie, replying to Bart Simpson, 10, #100 of 1822 🔗

It wasn’t a woman, it was a sheeple. And you ought to have been sooooo grateful that even out there in the wilds, she was determined to protect you from her poisonous germs.

300550 ▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to annie, 7, #101 of 1822 🔗

To the point of poisoning herself by breathing in her recycled air. Genius!

301201 ▶▶▶ Borisbullshit, replying to annie, #102 of 1822 🔗

Yes I am sure that was at the forefront of her mind.

300518 Mark H, #103 of 1822 🔗

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300521 Mark H, replying to Mark H, 18, #104 of 1822 🔗

I know that some readers and commenters here are living with people who have bought and believe the COVID-19 government narrative.

This book, “Combatting Cult Mind Control”, was written to help.

Admittedly the book is aimed at helping free people from religious cults. But I’m sure most of us would agree that there’s a religious-like fervour in the behaviours of many of those around us with regards to CV19. However, it explains the psychology of cultists and what should be done to free them.

The author discusses theories of mind control and cults based on the research of Margaret Singer and Robert Lifton as well as the cognitive dissonance theory of Leon Festinger. Park Street Press, a New age and alternative beliefs publisher, first published the book in 1988. In 2015, Hassan’s own Freedom of Mind Press issued a revised 25th anniversary edition, Combating Cult Mind Control, featuring Hassan’s new analysis of how coercive groups use social media to gain undue influence and updates on organizations that he alleges practice mind control.

300636 ▶▶ JanMasarykMunich, replying to Mark H, 3, #105 of 1822 🔗

updates on organizations that he alleges practice mind control.’

So, I guess he has added UK Govt (and many other govts), PHE, BBC, etc. to the list. Seriously.

300524 TheBigman, replying to TheBigman, 77, #106 of 1822 🔗

I would just like to say that as a Scot, I hope the hotel mentioned above looking for visitors to have a vaccine to visit them, goes under. As I hope all businesses that perpetrate this nonsense also go under.

This is the same as 9/11 get people scared and put in measures and in a few years they will forget what it was like and indeed beg for their own enslavement. I have no time for these gullible eejits.

300531 ▶▶ kh1485, replying to TheBigman, 25, #107 of 1822 🔗

And how long will it be before business owners are asked if they have had the vaccine before a customer will dare to venture into their shop?

300536 ▶▶▶ TheBigman, replying to kh1485, 24, #108 of 1822 🔗

You raise a good point. I hope such numpties take a long walk off a hort pier.

I’m tired of being nice to others who aren’t nice to the likes of me. Perhaps shaming those wearing masks etc will give them a taste of their own medicine.

300631 ▶▶▶ crimsonpirate, replying to kh1485, 16, #109 of 1822 🔗

that will be particularly relevant for supermarkets. Quite how their front line workers have not been affected by covid is a mystery.

301204 ▶▶▶▶ Borisbullshit, replying to crimsonpirate, 3, #110 of 1822 🔗

The virus decided at the beginning it would be unfair to attack supermarket workers.

301647 ▶▶▶▶ Rowan, replying to crimsonpirate, 1, #111 of 1822 🔗

Is it just another one of the many idiosyncrasies of the ephemeral Sars-cov-2 coronavirus?

Seriously though, the main reason for the wellbeing of supermarket staff, is that they are generally far too young to have been nobbled by the dodgy flu vaccines which predispose the not so lucky recipients to whatever Covid-19 actually is (flu?) and more.

Being very senior and/or chronically ill are two ways of “qualifying” for the extra powerful super-duper flu jab, which delivers even worse prospects for health than its regular partner.

301719 ▶▶▶▶ HoMojo, replying to crimsonpirate, 1, #112 of 1822 🔗

They must (secretly) be dropping like flies. Why else would Bill Gates be insisting that all bars and restaurants in US close for six months. (Is the bloke just a teeny bit of a megalomaniac or what?)

300713 ▶▶▶ Victoria, replying to kh1485, 6, #113 of 1822 🔗

Or the other way around… people like us frequenting only businesses that did not have vaccinations / do not insist on vaccinations (such as the silly business mentioned in the article)

301716 ▶▶ HoMojo, replying to TheBigman, 1, #114 of 1822 🔗

Perhaps we should start a directory of these places so we can email en masse

300526 kh1485, replying to kh1485, 39, #115 of 1822 🔗

Odd that we are starting to see photos of newsreaders (I refuse to call either Kay Burley or Piers Morgan, journalists) and minor Royals being snapped breaking the rules. Don’t get me wrong, I’m glad they are doing so because perhaps it will wake up the sleeping masses to do likewise.

300604 ▶▶ stefarm, replying to kh1485, 9, #116 of 1822 🔗

Xmas will be interesting, how will the plebs stop themselves posting pictures of their lavish family lunches. Could be interesting and will no doubt mean another fake rise in cases and lockdown january to march to punish us and hide the Brexit fart.

300528 Richym99, 5, #117 of 1822 🔗

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-55296774

Brand new hospital opened last month. They have diverted emergency A&E admissions from the other hospitals in the region to this one. Already playing the “let’s blame Covid” game.

300530 TheBigman, replying to TheBigman, 22, #118 of 1822 🔗

The very fact anyone iss listening to Bill Gates is beyond me.

He is a prized c*nt and deserves his place in hell.

Along with others like him, do you honestly think a y of these types will get a vaccine for this? Haha hahaha. If you do then just keep running towards the cliff.

300558 ▶▶ karenovirus, replying to TheBigman, 10, #119 of 1822 🔗

Bill doesn’t mind if pubs and bars go sadlibankrupt.

300613 ▶▶▶ arfurmo, replying to karenovirus, 3, #120 of 1822 🔗

I imagine he last went into a bar when he was about 20 and though he was very daring having two pints.

300680 ▶▶▶ FlynnQuill, replying to karenovirus, 3, #121 of 1822 🔗

He’s probably never been to a Bar/Pub in his life.

300561 ▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to TheBigman, 7, #122 of 1822 🔗

Many people still think that he’s a good guy and wants to help.

300739 ▶▶▶ PastImperfect, replying to Bart Simpson, 5, #123 of 1822 🔗

They don’t understand the term eugenicist.

300854 ▶▶▶▶ HelenaHancart, replying to PastImperfect, 6, #124 of 1822 🔗

He and the rest of his globalist buddies want most of us dead. So he and his globalist buddies can be the richest people in the world…on an empty planet.

300981 ▶▶ David Grimbleby, replying to TheBigman, 5, #125 of 1822 🔗

One ‘excuse’ for Gates lack of empathy is , he has Aspergers, no real excuse, but the autistic live in a different, strange world.

300532 chaos, 16, #126 of 1822 🔗

The tories used to just kick the poor and disabled. Now they fuck over business owners.

Having said that, I wish I had bid for a PPE contract. All those millions they were so keen to throw away in a bid to tank the economy for the great reset…

2020.. Blobjob and his wife-beater dad and teenage girlfriend Princess slut nut and the Klaus EU mob continue to torture the UK population and let’s-pretend Brexit.

300551 annie, replying to annie, 23, #127 of 1822 🔗

Don’t miss the Grauniad article listed above. That someone should argue, in such a hysterical rag, that Covid rules (sometimes at least) are directly counter to every decent human instinct is quite a landmark.

300556 ▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to annie, 5, #128 of 1822 🔗

It’s a good one agree. And the Off-Graun one is a not to be missed read as well.

300552 Fingerache Philip., replying to Fingerache Philip., 35, #129 of 1822 🔗

Reasons to be cheerful 2,001: A “track and tracer” ( surely the lowest form of collaborating low life on the planet) says ” The public must take their share of the blame, blah,blah, etc because 70% of those we try to contact refuse to answer their phones”.
Set me up for the day, that has!

300574 ▶▶ annie, replying to Fingerache Philip., 12, #130 of 1822 🔗

70% sanity – at least a glimmer of it!

300620 ▶▶▶ Fingerache Philip., replying to annie, 4, #131 of 1822 🔗

And don’t forget, Annie, that only 11% of people when told to self isolate actually do so.

300587 ▶▶ p02099003, replying to Fingerache Philip., 7, #132 of 1822 🔗

Probably because it shows as number withheld. Certainly I don’t answer these calls unless I a, expecting a call from a known source who withholds the number.

300658 ▶▶▶ Sam Vimes, replying to p02099003, 9, #133 of 1822 🔗

It’s astonishing how thick they are, isn’t it – well, maybe not – thinking “We can just phone people, and they are bound to answer” In fact, I think I’ll just phone Boris now and tell him…

300676 ▶▶ Lili, replying to Fingerache Philip., 3, #134 of 1822 🔗

It begs the question as to why they bothered getting tested in the first place.

300993 ▶▶▶ Silke David, replying to Lili, 3, #135 of 1822 🔗

They are probably contacts of people who tested positive or who were so stupid to give their correct details for T&T. Or someone gave a false phone number and it happens to be a correct number, just for someone else.

301003 ▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Lili, 2, #136 of 1822 🔗

Many have no choice.
Thos who do have choice are morons!

300553 Laurence, replying to Laurence, 14, #137 of 1822 🔗

Just adding to some of Guy de la Bodayere’s stats.

Of the roughly 12-1300 excess deaths in week 48, how many were caused by people not getting proper treatment on the NHS ?

Well as an indicator for week 48 according to the NHS figures, there were 92,618 Emergency Department attendances compared to 187,909 for week 48 in 2019, a decrease of over 50%. Now either these people were wasting their time or there’s a huge amount of deaths created by ‘Project Fear’.

300568 ▶▶ Steve Martindale, replying to Laurence, 14, #138 of 1822 🔗

Back in April and May when we had deaths double the average figure it was clear these were big numbers and that there was a problem of some sort. But now people seem to be alarmed when our death rate vears a bit from the average but I thought that was what averages were about? sometimes up, sometimes down and you end up with an average. You cannot keep chasing the average, if the current rate of deaths was below average you are not going to kill people off to chase the average (or at least I hope we have not come to that). In a few weeks we leave 2020 behind and start a new year, the 5 year average will then include 2020 and so it is possible that 2021 could have some weeks below the 5 year average.
Public Health Policy should be looking at long term death trends and considering if they teach us anything about Public Health Policy but dramatic Government intervention should not happen until we get to the sort of death figures we saw for a few weeks in spring 2020.

300554 karenovirus, 10, #139 of 1822 🔗

Alex Belfied youtube has a good take on the various anti lockdown protests on Saturday

300555 mhcp, replying to mhcp, 19, #140 of 1822 🔗

With all due respect to Tim Spector how exactly are you “tracking” Covid with an app? How can a person tell if their symptoms are flu, cold, sore throat or Covid?

Has this app been used in previous years?

The fundamental problem with Covid19 is the conflation of it with similar ailments causing mass delusion of a deadly disease.

So it’s great hearing about respiratory conditions being tracked but frankly how the fuck is that useful?

300617 ▶▶ Charlie Blue, replying to mhcp, 4, #141 of 1822 🔗

I have never understood this either. While I welcome Spector’s recent contributions to the non-debate I don’t feel that basing estimates on self-reported symptoms is any improvement on testing of any type without clinical assessment.

300635 ▶▶ swedenborg, replying to mhcp, 8, #142 of 1822 🔗

I agree. We have already since many years a surveillance system of respiratory diseases through GPs which has been running for years(See Oxford Groups reports). It makes much more sense to use a system where you can compare previous years. Spector’s system is just a hyped up new system where the actual users are a select part of the population and we have no idea how representative they are. They must have an Iphone and thus automatically less elderly or people who for different reasons are not connected. That must be a bias in collecting data. Then we don’t know whether the users are more hypochondriacal or not. In short, the accuracy of data, the risk of bias and no historical data makes this much less useful. Even if it shows things which suits your agenda should not be a reason to rely on it. This is just another hyped up technology tool. Probably be branded reactionary but the whole pandemic response incl. modelling has been based upon a hyper technology response in all aspects. This has been due to a younger generation of decision makers grown up with infantile computer games, narrow minded social media frame work and lacking mature common sense and reflection.

300994 ▶▶ Silke David, replying to mhcp, 3, #143 of 1822 🔗

Apparently one can choose between 23! symptoms.

Is being stupid a symptom? How do you identify that?

300557 Suzyv, replying to Suzyv, 30, #144 of 1822 🔗

This Hotel mentioned needs to be named (and any others doing the same). It needs pointing out to them that this vaccine does not currently prevent a person of being infected and passing on the virus to someone else. So what excatly is the point of excluding those who don’t have it? Indeed those who don’t have it are likely to be more careful.. Also what about people who can’t have vaccines due to health and other reasons- they are being discriminatory. A letter needs to be sent also stating that they will be named (and shamed). It should be done with all behaving in this way..

300570 ▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Suzyv, 2, #145 of 1822 🔗

Newlyweds need not apply.

300573 ▶▶▶ annie, replying to karenovirus, 10, #146 of 1822 🔗

Certainly not if they want to have children.

300591 ▶▶ Janice21, replying to Suzyv, 6, #147 of 1822 🔗

Exactly what I was about to post……does this mean all families with young children cant stay either.

300602 ▶▶ mhcp, replying to Suzyv, 7, #148 of 1822 🔗

How stunning and brave of them! Or they could have said “we won’t be enforcing any of this shite. If need be customers can sign waivers so that the council and insurance people get off our backs. But make no mistake we believe in normalcy”

300630 ▶▶ thinkaboutit, replying to Suzyv, 4, #149 of 1822 🔗

No one with autoimmune disease will be able to stay there. Particularly if they are on immunosuppressants and would consider themselves at risk when exposed to those virus- shedding vaccinated people.

300661 ▶▶ Tom Blackburn, replying to Suzyv, 3, #150 of 1822 🔗

Signing their own death warrant with virtue signalling stuff like that…

300560 Moomin, 9, #151 of 1822 🔗

Heartbreaking to read the story about the restaurant in Upminster, it’s where I grew up.

300562 Mr Dee, replying to Mr Dee, 2, #152 of 1822 🔗

I’ve e-mailed Santa for one of these for Christmas (which I’ve postponed until Midsummer).

https://www.weforum.org/agenda/2020/12/christmas-toys-covid19-spain-portugal/

300572 ▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Mr Dee, 3, #153 of 1822 🔗

My little sheeple.

300585 ▶▶▶ vargas99, replying to karenovirus, 1, #154 of 1822 🔗

Love that 😁

301049 ▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Mr Dee, #155 of 1822 🔗

Speechless!

300563 alw, 7, #156 of 1822 🔗

“Anyone unsure what’s the extent of excess deaths in autumn/winter arising from SARS-CoV-2 should read this by Jonathan Engler. Spoiler: there aren’t any.
Surely that’s impossible if we’re on the m…”

A thread from @MichaelYeadon3
https://threader.app/thread/1338267113794973697

300564 alw, replying to alw, 3, #157 of 1822 🔗

“Let’s listen closely to this right honourable member, who expresses so well the responses of many of us, me included, to what is happening to this nation.
https://youtu.be/y6FRcufY13c …”

A thread from @MichaelYeadon3
https://threader.app/thread/1338228792301658114

300752 ▶▶ Judy Watson, replying to alw, 1, #158 of 1822 🔗

Thanks for the youtube link – just watched it I totally agree with both speakers.

301065 ▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to alw, #159 of 1822 🔗

Inspiring speech!

300569 helen, 2, #160 of 1822 🔗

The UK’s COVID-19 Passport Plan… Spect. article
… none the wiser about the real purpose behind the CommonPass ?

Just a snip-it from a US investigation

Karp and Thiel say they had two overarching ambitions for Palantir early on. The first was to make software that could help keep the country safe from terrorism. The second was to prove that there was a technological solution to the challenge of balancing public safety and civil liberties—a “Hegelian” aspiration, as Karp puts it. Although political opposites, they both feared that personal privacy would be a casualty of the war on terrorism. . .
To that end, Palantir’s software was created with two primary security features: Users are able to access only information they are authorized to view, and the software generates an audit trail that, among other things, indicates if someone has tried to obtain material off-limits to them.

https://unlimitedhangout.com/2020/12/investigative-series/palantirs-tiberius-race-and-the-public-health-panopticon/

300571 TJN, 5, #161 of 1822 🔗

Entertainly robust piece by Jonathan Barr today. Maybe he’s finding his voice.

300577 Biker, replying to Biker, 79, #162 of 1822 🔗

I won’t be meeting any of their criteria for their freedom pass, i won’t be having a freedom pass and if anyone tries in anyway to stop me doing what the fuck i want i swear to god i will fucking hurt them. This bullshit has shown we need rid of government. Government is the problem. These fuckers need to go. It’s insane. I was born free and i’ll stay that way and if they want to come for me they better be prepared to fight to the death because i ain’t doing anything they say.

300642 ▶▶ FlynnQuill, replying to Biker, 8, #163 of 1822 🔗

Here, here.

300650 ▶▶ Sam Vimes, replying to Biker, 11, #164 of 1822 🔗

Abso-bloody-lutely. This attitude is the only thing that can save our lives and our country.

300652 ▶▶ JanMasarykMunich, replying to Biker, 11, #165 of 1822 🔗

I’m with you, Biker. I reckon we all are.

300692 ▶▶ Alethea, replying to Biker, 27, #166 of 1822 🔗

I think that in normal times, Biker, you and I might not be the most likely soulmates. But yesterday when two middle-aged male employees were horrible to me in a clothes shop, for not wearing a mask, you are one of the people I summoned in my mind. I stood up for myself, as I always do, but I liked to imagine what hell would have broken loose had you been there too.

301216 ▶▶▶ Borisbullshit, replying to Alethea, 5, #167 of 1822 🔗

Poor you I hope you gave the shits both barrels. How cowardly for 2 men to gang up on a woman….pathetic specimums.

300704 ▶▶ Thomas_E, replying to Biker, 7, #168 of 1822 🔗

Correct…You said what I feel all the time.I do not need a pass for some jobs worth to tell me I’m free to do what I want.

300853 ▶▶ Mr Dee, replying to Biker, 6, #169 of 1822 🔗

With you.

301027 ▶▶ Ben, replying to Biker, 9, #170 of 1822 🔗

Freedom Pass is an oxymoron

Freedom means no Freedom Pass

301068 ▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Ben, 5, #171 of 1822 🔗

The very name makes the warning bells ring deafeningly!

301133 ▶▶ sam, replying to Biker, 3, #172 of 1822 🔗

i feel the same way ,so glad we all do here . i ve started calling gates adolf gates, or hitler jr

301138 ▶▶ sam, replying to Biker, 3, #173 of 1822 🔗

a nd as a former lefty i’m now for getting rid of goverment too or the way it is now with the left a least , have changed completely since march 2019

301223 ▶▶ Borisbullshit, replying to Biker, 7, #174 of 1822 🔗

Agree totally and was alarmed when I heard lockdown sceptic Brendan O’Neil on his recent ‘Trigonometry’ interview saying he was looking forward to having the vaccine especially if it gave him a freedom pass to go to the pub. The pillock also claims to have had the virus so why does he want the vaccine?

300578 Fiona Walker, replying to Fiona Walker, 22, #175 of 1822 🔗

Nasty incident at our local Aldi yesterday, reproduced below from our local Facebook Grumbler site. Not sceptics but horrendous that this should happen just because she was maskless. Ironically, the wearing of masks makes it very hard to identify the offender.

“This is the police photo of the man who rammed his trolly into
the side of ours as my wife was at other side so banged ours into her back causing a lot of pain as she has osteoarthritis in it. The store cctv confirmed it as a targeted attack. guessing due to not having a mask on for health reasons even though my wife was wearing her sunflower lanyard for hidden disability.”

300582 ▶▶ Biker, replying to Fiona Walker, 22, #176 of 1822 🔗

Find out who it is and find a couple of friends who could pay them a visit to sort out this misunderstanding.

300655 ▶▶ Tom Blackburn, replying to Fiona Walker, 12, #177 of 1822 🔗

What a nasty old cunt

300761 ▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Fiona Walker, 7, #178 of 1822 🔗

At least the Police have got it right this time.

300775 ▶▶ Be Unshakeable, replying to Fiona Walker, 4, #179 of 1822 🔗

The world has no shortage of ignorant fools. It should come as no surprise to see one in the wild.

300805 ▶▶ Mutineer, replying to Fiona Walker, 8, #180 of 1822 🔗

I was treated in the most disgusting manner in Landmark in Broadway in the Cotswolds. Although wearing an exemption the assistant screamed down the shop ‘You’ve forgotten your mask’ and even after I pointed out my exemption continued to shame me and humiliate me. I’ve written several times to the store and received nothing, not even an acknowledgement. I’ve even written to their head office in Dubai and been ignored.

301231 ▶▶▶ Borisbullshit, replying to Mutineer, 2, #181 of 1822 🔗

Shocking…that salesperson needs a visit from a couple of friends too. Unlucky as when I was in Broadway in October I found everyone chilled out…especially the lovely girls in the sit in fish and chip restaurant.

301460 ▶▶▶▶ Mutineer, replying to Borisbullshit, 2, #182 of 1822 🔗

Won’t go again during this madness. It was far from ‘chilled’. We went in a cafe with me not wearing a muzzle and a woman loudly proclaimed ‘Non mask wearers should be transported to uninhabited islands’. Shops MADE a massive fuss and insisted on hand sanitiser and glared at anyone without a mask. We had to queue outside of shops until people left and were counted in and out. It was the worst experience so far and so upsetting that I never want to go again. Many shops have already closed and I am certain more will follow now they are actively discouraging shoppers. One shop in Stowe even asked customers to remove their shoes!!!! We didn’t enter. Funnily enough, I had a reply from Landmark in Dubai who denied they were connected and yet asked me my dress size! It appears to be some sort of pyramid scheme and impossible to make a complaint.

301831 ▶▶▶▶▶ Borisbullshit, replying to Mutineer, #183 of 1822 🔗

Thats really interesting I must have been very lucky then…. I suppose its all luck of the draw. I did get confronted by a man in his 60s in M and S Cirencester but soon despatched him. I noticed that the larger villages seemed more zealous than the smaller ones. But all round it sounds as though things have got worse since October…but thats also the case where I live in South Shropshire…its mask mania here but I still never wear one.

300851 ▶▶ Mr Dee, replying to Fiona Walker, 6, #184 of 1822 🔗

Attacked by Gollum.

300907 ▶▶▶ Fiona Walker, replying to Mr Dee, 4, #185 of 1822 🔗

Spot on. The couple in question are elderly and the lady who was attacked has Alzheimer’s apparently. Beyond belief.

301902 ▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to Fiona Walker, #186 of 1822 🔗

What a bully. Bet he wouldn’t do that if he was in say Brixton or Lambeth – he would be dead meat if he did that to someone’s parent or sibling or partner or child.

300580 Stuart, replying to Stuart, 11, #187 of 1822 🔗

Undoubtedly, Dark Drivelford and Simian Gething are plotting something really, really, nastily existential for Wales on 28th December.

Never since they were formed up into “bantam regiments” and marched off to be trench-slaughtered in WWI have the Welsh had it so good.

300849 ▶▶ Mr Dee, replying to Stuart, 2, #188 of 1822 🔗

They plan to punish their underlings for being bad minions and not doing as they’re told (even though nothing can be done to thwart the Casedemic whatever measures are brought in, as long as they’re testing, testing, testing).

301024 ▶▶ Ben, replying to Stuart, 1, #189 of 1822 🔗

I was reading about Drakeford’s son. Nice family

301033 ▶▶▶ Iansn, replying to Ben, 2, #190 of 1822 🔗

Delightful.his father will eventually join him come the reckoning.

301045 ▶▶▶ Crystal Decanter, replying to Ben, 1, #191 of 1822 🔗

You would never let anyone who looked like Drapeford anywhere near your kids

300581 mhcp, replying to mhcp, 28, #192 of 1822 🔗

One glaring issue that maybe hasn’t dropped for many will be their credibility moving forward once this Covid madness ends. Unless of course the plan is not to make it end, just to QE it for infinity.

The credibility being how can anyone who bought into the Covid crap be taken seriously for anything after this? How can any politician who supported this be taken seriously? Or any leader in any business who supported this?

That is the coming storm.

300593 ▶▶ steve_w, replying to mhcp, 20, #193 of 1822 🔗

I think people that have demanded lockdown have crossed a line. the mass suspension of human rights for a mild virus. I would threaten to defund universities that employ such people.

300595 ▶▶▶ mhcp, replying to steve_w, 17, #194 of 1822 🔗

With the report out about CCP members in the UK, it looks very much like “lockdown” should be replaced by what it is: The CCP Wuhan Method.

If you think adopting the CCP Wuhan Method is okay in a free country then it says a lot about what you believe a “free country” is

300603 ▶▶▶▶ steve_w, replying to mhcp, 14, #195 of 1822 🔗

covid-19 has smoked out the fascists for sure

300648 ▶▶ Ed Phillips, replying to mhcp, 21, #196 of 1822 🔗

Not just leaders but ordinary people too.
I can’t see people in the same light now knowing that they are so influenced by media and propaganda. If they believe this what other nonsense will they believe?

301235 ▶▶▶ Borisbullshit, replying to Ed Phillips, 1, #197 of 1822 🔗

All sorts of nonsense I think.

301296 ▶▶ Tarfu, replying to mhcp, 2, #198 of 1822 🔗

Understand your argument here, mhcp, but there is an overwhelming majority of people who only get there information from the BBC or the newspaper. For them, this is a real ongoing pandemic and they totally believe what is being fed them. The ‘powers that be’ are therefore trustworthy and should be taken seriously

300586 NorthumbrianNomad, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, 13, #199 of 1822 🔗

The doom-mongering rhetoric Ïs getting louder and louder and the evidence is getting thinner and thinner. Are people going to wake up and take concerted action, or are the faint signs of resistance going to be choked off by the new assertiveness of the lockdownistas? Unfortunately I think I know the answer.

300590 ▶▶ steve_w, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, 8, #200 of 1822 🔗

london has barely seen a second ripple. I have no idea what data they are looking at – presumably modelling – to think it should go up a tier

300915 ▶▶▶ Fiona Walker, replying to steve_w, 10, #201 of 1822 🔗

Yes I’ve just read the BBC report which says that council leaders are alarmed by a “projected rise in cases”. So, not even real cases, and as cases are not infections, and even infections are mostly shrugged off with a few days in bed – what exactly are they scared of? It’s smoke and mirrors, mist and fog. Stop testing and just focus on managing hospital admissions if anything.

300588 Poppy, replying to Poppy, 50, #202 of 1822 🔗

The eating disorder report brought a lump to my throat. I suffered from anorexia almost over a decade ago now, I was only 11 at the time which is so young to be afflicted with such a horrendous mental illness. Thankfully I am mostly recovered but there are parts that never really leave you. I now despise the winter season as I associate it with being bitterly cold and uncomfortable; my tiny emaciated body that couldn’t keep itself warm, my thin face sprouting a soft fuzz like a peach. It also fractured the relationship between my parents and I, likely permanently.

I would never wish this awful mental disorder on anyone and yet because of the callous actions of governments and public health officials, scores of young girls and boys will have to suffer this hell just like I did.

For me, and a lot of people, anorexia is a way of dealing with a loss of control in life. Routines, friends, distractions etc are what keep the monster at bay, but these are all cruelly snatched away by lockdowns.

The government is locking these poor people up with their demons and throwing away the key. How much more ‘collateral damage’ will be seen as justified before people say ‘Enough’?

300654 ▶▶ Sarah N, replying to Poppy, 8, #203 of 1822 🔗

Same here Poppy. My daughter must be a similar age to you and like you, she has suffered with an ED since the age of 11 (she is now 22). She had binge/purge anorexia. She is keeping it together for now but I know this year has been particularly tough for her.

300687 ▶▶ TJN, replying to Poppy, 10, #204 of 1822 🔗

And when we come out of this there won’t be any money to deal with medical problems like eating disorders. Patients will have to turn to family and loved ones. I hope the sort of relationship breakdown you refer to is a common feature, or consequence, of this illness.

As to your last sentence, everyone out wearing a mask today has yet to have seen enough ‘collateral damage’. But they don’t, and won’t, when they’re blind.

Another awful thought on collateral damage. There’s been speculation that the lockdowns will lead to 130 million people starving in the Developing World. Even if we apply Imperial College model adjustments to this figure (i.e. divide by 12) it is still horrendous. In all this shitshow, for me it is this that forensically nails the sheer moral bankruptcy of the West.

300763 ▶▶▶ Judy Watson, replying to TJN, 8, #205 of 1822 🔗

This so very true. Here in Thailand there isn’t any state support to fall back and people are going around looking for any type of work. The suicide rate has gone up but numbers are now no longer published. Meanwhile the rich get richer and the poor really suffer.

301118 ▶▶▶ annie, replying to TJN, 3, #206 of 1822 🔗

It. arks the utter, utter selfishness of the lockdown zimbies.

301929 ▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to TJN, 4, #207 of 1822 🔗

Agree. The Philippines doesn’t have a welfare state – if you don’t work, you don’t eat. I’m baffled that the government’s response there has been even more bonkers than here in the UK. It’s as if they don’t care that the fragile economy is being hammered even further as well as their attitudes and provision with regards to mental health is stuck in the Pre-Cambrian Era.

And the rich and middle classes there (including my family) are a big disgrace with their “I’m alright Jack” attitude.

300702 ▶▶ Alethea, replying to Poppy, 9, #208 of 1822 🔗

I am very glad to hear about your recovery, Poppy. Let me wish you a good day, notwithstanding all the national madness.

300769 ▶▶▶ TJN, replying to Alethea, 5, #209 of 1822 🔗

A fine post. Hear, hear.

301116 ▶▶ annie, replying to Poppy, 9, #210 of 1822 🔗

Anorexia is ghastly.I saw a delightful, pretty, clever teenager ruined by this scourge, and the effect on her family was equally dire.
Covid Fascism has unleashed a thousand evils. We can only stand firm and fight them, and NEVER give in.
Don’t do it for the zombies.Do it for the human race..

301939 ▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to Poppy, 2, #211 of 1822 🔗

Well said Poppy. What ever happened to all those mental health campaigns over the last few years? Thrown out of the nearest airlock because of a bad strain of flu.

This has been a massive setback as we’ve read about increase in suicides, depression, schizophrenia and a host of mental conditions. Not to mention eating disorders, substance abuse, domestic violence, eating disorders, etc Plus bullying and harassment of people who can’t wear masks due to various reasons.

It’s as if we’ve regressed back to the Stone Age.

300589 flyingjohn, replying to flyingjohn, 10, #212 of 1822 🔗

Please join the campaign. We need to flood social media between 13 – 16 December.

https://whypubsmatter.org.uk

301243 ▶▶ Borisbullshit, replying to flyingjohn, 1, #213 of 1822 🔗

I noticed that UK column were very disparaging about Nigel Farage’s revealing of entrapment being used to close pubs down. Their view was that he should find better things to do with his time. Is this just bad blood between UK column and Farage or are they all tee totallers?

301685 ▶▶▶ David Grimbleby, replying to Borisbullshit, #214 of 1822 🔗

I found that odd, just because Farage was bemoaning the care home horrors he is in the wrong calling out the collateral damage from pub closures, he was right to do what he did.

301709 ▶▶▶ Ben, replying to Borisbullshit, #215 of 1822 🔗

I just don’t trust UK Column or their contributors. I dunno why..

301839 ▶▶▶▶ Borisbullshit, replying to Ben, 1, #216 of 1822 🔗

Yes I have started to wonder myself after that…they seem to have other agendas. Personally I thought Farage was absolutely right to do what he did….pubs are important to people and to our cultural heritage. Not sure why UK column have a problem with that.

300922 ▶▶ Fiona Walker, replying to Basileus, 2, #218 of 1822 🔗

Love that cover photo! We value diversity. Oh, yes?

300594 mhcp, replying to mhcp, 9, #219 of 1822 🔗

Being cynical but maybe Germany locking down is a way to hide any effects of hard Brexit on their economy? Provided of course if there is one.

Political move? Shurely not

300599 ▶▶ steve_w, replying to mhcp, 7, #220 of 1822 🔗

germany did oh so well by missing the first wave (or it came too late for summer suppression). they are now seeing a significant ‘first wave’. its not yet translating into excess deaths however. probably because they were all going to die about now anyway from old age

300596 p02099003, 6, #221 of 1822 🔗

The problem when referring to children’s immune systems is that it varies significantly across the age range, which is why vaccination schedules are as they are. For the first few weeks a baby is protected by maternal antibodies which slowly diminishes as the child’s innate immune system predominates. The adaptive immune system is present in preschool children becoming more significant as the child ages. Our adaptive immune system has billions of different antibodies and T cells.

300597 steve_w, replying to steve_w, 11, #222 of 1822 🔗

just reading about mRNA vaccines on wikipedia

“Up until 2020, these mRNA biotech companies had poor results testing mRNA drugs for cardiovascular, metabolic and renal diseases; selected targets for cancer; and rare diseases like Crigler–Najjar syndrome , with most finding that the side-effects of mRNA insertion were too serious”

and it references this from 2017

“Lavishly funded Moderna hits safety problems in bold bid to revolutionize medicine”

https://www.statnews.com/2017/01/10/moderna-trouble-mrna/

The mRNA vaccine they are currently administering has had secret trials, we’ve learned a bit from the press releases (there is no pandemic – only 169 out of 22000 in the control group got covid-19 over 4 months) and MHRA clearly rubber stamped rather than reading the trial results (otherwise they wouldn’t have given it to 2 nurses who carry epi-pens).

300608 ▶▶ mhcp, replying to steve_w, 7, #223 of 1822 🔗

Amazing how some have short memories in the financial world. Moderna did a few pump and dumps over the year, the CEO making out like a bandit. They have never had real success with mRNA technology until now.

Pharma and SPACs (Special Purpose Acquisition Companies) are the current speculation vehicle trying to get some alpha return in the market. The hands of influence trying to claw back losses from March and trying to build contingency for 2021 are all over this.

300598 nootnoot, replying to nootnoot, 16, #224 of 1822 🔗

My wife is getting the vacine this morning. She’s a nurse at the local hospital and made a choice to have it as it wasn’t mandatory.
She jokingly said this morning before she left “I hope I don’t die, might see you later or might not”.

She told me she made the choice to have it because she’s worried she will be restricted on travel etc.

What I want to know is once she’s had both doses will she go maskless in shops. I haven’t raised that subject yet so will see how it pans out. Surely she would because otherwise what’s the point of having the vacine?

300600 ▶▶ anon, replying to nootnoot, 13, #225 of 1822 🔗

if you have an old dictionary lying around look up the word vaccine – they’ve changed the meaning of the word this year

300638 ▶▶▶ alw, replying to anon, 2, #226 of 1822 🔗

Correct it not even a prophylactic, it’s a witchdoctor’s concoction.

300766 ▶▶▶▶ Crystal Decanter, replying to alw, 6, #227 of 1822 🔗

Frankenjab

300921 ▶▶▶ claire, replying to anon, 4, #228 of 1822 🔗

Funny you should say that as I did this morning. Case and furlough have also changed. Vaccine definition used to end with ‘to make a person immune to the disease’ and case included ‘a person or problem dealt with by a doctor (amongst others)’ no positive result from shitty test in sight.

301121 ▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to anon, 2, #229 of 1822 🔗

They’ve changed the meaning of a lot of words this year!

300615 ▶▶ stefarm, replying to nootnoot, 5, #230 of 1822 🔗

Do you know how many of her colleagues have taken up the kind offer?

300626 ▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to nootnoot, 1, #231 of 1822 🔗

Good sport your missus, taking one (well, two) for the team. Reminds me of the Castlemaine XXXX adverts…

300637 ▶▶ IanE, replying to nootnoot, 3, #232 of 1822 🔗

Not a chance – no evidence that any of the ‘vaccines’ reduce transmission!

300653 ▶▶ Saved To Death, replying to nootnoot, 32, #233 of 1822 🔗

She told me she made the choice to have it because she’s worried she will be restricted on travel etc.

If she is having it due to fear that her freedom would otherwise be restricted or fear that she or others might die as a result of not having(an irrational fear that has been propagated by the government and media) it is not exactly correct to say she has made a choice to have it – what you describe is someone who has been coerced into having it and by accepting this and submitting is only assisting with the coercion of others.

Why would you expect to be able to go maskless? The purpose of the mask is to symbolise your submission to control not to protect people from a virus. Nobody is going to have freedom restored by submitting to the demands on these tyrants in fact they only further cement the control these tyrants have over them.

Taking this vaccine in the hope it will restore or maintain your freedom is about as dumb as it gets. Sorry.

300665 ▶▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to Saved To Death, 5, #234 of 1822 🔗

I’ll agree with that.

At the moment that is not the case. If you do have concerns about restricted travel, it’s not now. So the individual has time to consider a broader range of issues around this.

300677 ▶▶▶ JanMasarykMunich, replying to Saved To Death, 7, #235 of 1822 🔗

Yes, exactly. We need to face this down. If enough people just say no, in that case (vaccine required) we are not flying, staying in accommodation, going to a restaurant, etc., then they will probably/hopefully have to back down.

300688 ▶▶▶▶ Sam Vimes, replying to JanMasarykMunich, 10, #236 of 1822 🔗

As has been said before, the answer to this whole thing is the people, en masse, saying “No”. Sadly…

300709 ▶▶▶▶▶ Alethea, replying to Sam Vimes, 11, #237 of 1822 🔗

Yes, we’re all feminists now. No means No. My body, my choice.

300657 ▶▶ Ben, replying to nootnoot, 12, #238 of 1822 🔗

I’ve done a bit of research myself. I don’t plan on taking anything that’s been rushed or indemnified for a ‘virus’ that’s ‘harmless to the vast majority of people’ (Chris Whitty, Downing Street briefing 11th May 2020)

We can’t be unvaccinated. We can’t change our minds later on

https://2020news.de/en/dr-wodarg-and-dr-yeadon-request-a-stop-of-all-corona-vaccination-studies-and-call-for-co-signing-the-petition/

300711 ▶▶ thinkaboutit, replying to nootnoot, 18, #239 of 1822 🔗

If she has taken it because she fears her freedom will be restricted, that’s coercion not a free choice.

300712 ▶▶ Felice, replying to nootnoot, 9, #240 of 1822 🔗

Please can you post on her as to how it went? Also, any rumours/murmurs about how things are going in general?
Since the zazmataz on V-day, it’s been suspiciously quiet.
How many have they vaccinated by now? How many elderly and frail, and how are they doing? Any more adverse reactions? I want to know, and I’m sure many more on here do too.

300992 ▶▶ Two-Six, replying to nootnoot, 4, #241 of 1822 🔗

Let us know how she gets on. It will be interesting.

300605 Scotty87, replying to Scotty87, 40, #242 of 1822 🔗

So Bill Gates believes bars and restaurants should face another year of economic ruin in 2021 as a result of his beloved flu bug? This is a man who could keep every bar and restaurant in the USA afloat financially with his pocket change if he wanted to, yet instead he calls for the total destruction of millions of livelihoods.

But yeah, let’s keep believing the media line that he’s a “great philanthropist.”

300611 ▶▶ Tyneside Tigress, replying to Scotty87, 31, #243 of 1822 🔗

I think I am correct in thinking he is the first ‘philanthropist’ who has made money out of giving it away?

300614 ▶▶▶ Scotty87, replying to Tyneside Tigress, 18, #244 of 1822 🔗

I imagine he only gives it away to causes that further his own interests. The man is evil personified.

300686 ▶▶▶ Sam Vimes, replying to Tyneside Tigress, 3, #245 of 1822 🔗

Ah, you say you are helping, but you are actually in it for your self. I’m sure I’ve seen that somewhere this last nine months…

301252 ▶▶ Borisbullshit, replying to Scotty87, 2, #246 of 1822 🔗

Wanker Ian Collins on Talk radio described him in these glowing terms recently.

300607 Cecil B, replying to Cecil B, 1, #247 of 1822 🔗

I can remember a time when ‘protective measures’ had a different meaning

300609 ▶▶ mhcp, replying to Cecil B, 1, #248 of 1822 🔗

Margaret Thatcher was often involved too

300645 ▶▶ Tom Blackburn, replying to Cecil B, 1, #249 of 1822 🔗

Double bagging

300682 ▶▶▶ Sam Vimes, replying to Tom Blackburn, 1, #250 of 1822 🔗

One on her head and one on yours? 🙂

300610 steve_w, replying to steve_w, 13, #251 of 1822 🔗

As the Pfizer/bioNtech vaccine has been tested on the healthy (for obvious reasons) and the target group is the mortally ill and the side effects (fevers etc) appear to be worse than covid in the test group – when do you think the vaccine will be withdrawn? I reckon March 2021

300634 ▶▶ Saved To Death, replying to steve_w, 17, #252 of 1822 🔗

The government and NHS will continue to harp on about how safe and effective the vaccine is and how many lives it is saving regardless of the reality although it will fall just short of being effective enough to lift any measures. It will of course require the prison pass to ‘work properly’. It will not be withdrawn we have no functioning institutions.

They have become entirely detached from reality. It does not matter at this stage how much pain, suffering and death they cause they are not going to stop they need to be stopped.

300772 ▶▶▶ Pebbles, replying to Saved To Death, 8, #253 of 1822 🔗

HOW…? How do we now stop them and turn the tide, when 9/10 people who I know have their heads firmly tucked into their own arse thinking ‘we’ll have a vaccine and it’ll be fine… give me that immunity passport and it’ll be fine…we don’t have a choice”. How on earth do you get people to climb out of their infinite bottomless barrel of cognitive dissonance?

301137 ▶▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Pebbles, 3, #254 of 1822 🔗

You keep talking to people!

My cleaner came this morning and was telling me stuff I told her weeks ago. Presumably she talks to other people the same way.

Sent her off with some new ammo about the vaccine and the missing trials.

And she’s going to “think she might be pregnant” for the foreseeable future. 😉

301742 ▶▶▶ PastImperfect, replying to Saved To Death, 1, #255 of 1822 🔗

They are following the plan. Humanity? What’s that?

300616 Ben, replying to Ben, 29, #256 of 1822 🔗

I don’t take life seriously anymore

Our lives mean very little. Politicians have relegated our rights to the same level as livestock

300623 ▶▶ Fingerache Philip., replying to Ben, 5, #257 of 1822 🔗

Never have done, Ben.
Good old saying: “There’s no pockets in shrouds”.

300740 ▶▶ NorthumbrianNomad, replying to Ben, 13, #258 of 1822 🔗

I’ve started taking enjoyable risks. Should have done it years ago. I’ve been living a half life of fear. Believing all the propaganda. Hasn’t made me any happier or less prone to worrying. But now that they’re destroying everything that I thought made life worth living, I’ve stopped caring.

301744 ▶▶ PastImperfect, replying to Ben, #259 of 1822 🔗

Too close to the truth.

300618 Freecumbria, 6, #260 of 1822 🔗

Even if you use their statistics, in this case SARS-CoV-2 labelled London hospital deaths from a +ve PCR test, then you only have to look at this chart to see there is nothing remotely to worry about

(chart based on deaths by date of death with allowance for deaths that have occurred but not been reported)

300619 stefarm, replying to stefarm, 18, #261 of 1822 🔗

When will the penny drop #5

Following the rules does fuck all, majority of people gave away their freedom when they adopted the gimp mask.

Game set and match for the idiots and a win win for the powers that be.

We are not their enemy, the sheople need to take a long hard look in the mirror, wake up and smell the roses.

300651 ▶▶ Janice21, replying to stefarm, 9, #262 of 1822 🔗

Those idiots wearing masks thinking they still work and they are helping!

300659 ▶▶▶ stefarm, replying to Janice21, 5, #263 of 1822 🔗

The greatest piece of mind trickery ever…..creates the illusion of a deadly p(l)andemic

301255 ▶▶▶▶ Borisbullshit, replying to stefarm, 4, #264 of 1822 🔗

Yes take the masks away and it all look absurd nonsense.

301469 ▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to stefarm, 1, #265 of 1822 🔗

They’d have to smell the bullshit first.

300622 Paul E, replying to Paul E, 4, #266 of 1822 🔗

Morning all, I’m hoping someone can point me in the right direction.

Do the Government or the NHS post a daily figure, in addition to all the other COVID related figures, on how many COVID vaccines were administered or given to people on a daily basis? Its a metric I cannot find. Thanks in advance

300877 ▶▶ MiriamW-sometimes-AlanG, replying to Paul E, 2, #267 of 1822 🔗

Sorry. It’s all gone very quiet….. Make of that what you will!
AG

300625 Cecil B, 12, #268 of 1822 🔗

They will have you believe that the peak danger time from the virus is the Christmas period

Therefore it would make sense to cancel all police and council leave for Christmas Eve, Christmas Day, Boxing Day and through to the 2nd January

Please email the Home Secretary demanding this

How do I start a petition?

300628 NickR, replying to NickR, 2, #269 of 1822 🔗

London Boroughs, positive test results per 100,000 of population.

300633 ▶▶ Dan Clarke, replying to NickR, 3, #270 of 1822 🔗

Contemporary Art

300646 ▶▶ Ben, replying to NickR, 5, #271 of 1822 🔗

Meaningless, asymptomatic PCR test results

This is skulduggery on a criminal scale

300629 Panda, replying to Panda, 41, #272 of 1822 🔗

I’m not too worried about the health/vaccine passport thing. I just can’t see that it’s enforceable. The businesses will start out by trying to virtue signal and appeal to the ‘lockdownistas’, but I think they will forget about it pretty quickly when they lose over a quarter of their business. As lockdown skeptics, we could inflict some major damage on the businesses that want to perpetuate this. It would just need a bit more organisation on our part, but we could easily achieve this as part of the fight against this nonsense.

It’s difficult to know exactly how much longer this farce will go on for at this point. There are still a substantial amount of people that think this will be over by Spring (it 100% won’t be unless governments around the world all spectacularly u turn and change from their disastrous zero covid strategies). I think the turning point we’ve all been waiting for is when even the most gullible, who are totally in the sway of propaganda, realise that the ‘restrictions’ are actually going intended to stay forever and the vaccine won’t actually make any difference to that. You might start seeing some pretty major disorder at that point, I imagine.

This is why the government has always published tantalising deadlines to achieve our freedom, to dangle in front of the gullible; they know what happens when humans lose hope. It usually turns out to be quite ugly and most certainly not good for the government in charge at the time.

300660 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to Panda, 4, #273 of 1822 🔗

I hope you are right, I just done think we should take the chance. They create the infrastructure and, like you say, it’s a bit of a lead balloon. But it can then be shifted more easily because the groundwork has been done.

It’s with a drip drip drip that the nightmare comes. Not through one all encompassing bill enacted in Westminster

300829 ▶▶ Jonathan Palmer, replying to Panda, 15, #274 of 1822 🔗

The digital passport is the point of the vaccine.They want us tagged and traced.It will be slowly introduced like masks.First you will need one to travel internationally.Then on public transport etc.Once a majority of the public are vaccinated there will be no going back.

301766 ▶▶ PastImperfect, replying to Panda, 4, #275 of 1822 🔗

It’s difficult to know exactly how much longer this farce will go on for at this point.

It is no farce. It is deliberate destruction of the economy, financial system, public health and society. It is not going to stop. It will get much worse … unless many more people wake up and start doing something to put an end to it.

(No offence intended to the heroes already committed to and actively fighting the tyranny.}

300632 arfurmo, replying to arfurmo, 8, #276 of 1822 🔗

The comments on this https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9048759/Family-kicked-United-flight-New-Jersey-toddler-refused-wear-mask.html#comments are I suppose predictable if disturbing e.g
“Ineffectual parents who only needed to explain she could get ill by breathing in the air near people. The child didn’t realise this is serious and not a game.”
“Difficult but if they knew that rule they should’ve really been prepared and got her used to wearing a nice kids mask beforehand. I’d of been brayed if it was me as a child”
“And we’re banned off United forever because a two-year-old would not put on a mask” . . . . . If this is what she’s like at 2 years old, imagine what she’ll be like at 16 “
“Quite right too kids spread it as well i would not want to be near anyone on a plane without a mask and the air recirculation system passes it round”

300639 ▶▶ Lockdown_Lunacy, replying to arfurmo, 9, #277 of 1822 🔗

The whole thing is terrible and shows how far people have sunk, but the final quote is terribly inaccurate regarding aircraft air conditioning/pressurisation systems. That person should “follow the science” on those.

300641 ▶▶ Tom Blackburn, replying to arfurmo, 7, #278 of 1822 🔗

None of these bedwetting fools would dare get on a plane anyway!

300643 ▶▶ stefarm, replying to arfurmo, 9, #279 of 1822 🔗

77b – getting desperate now

300649 ▶▶ Dan Clarke, replying to arfurmo, 5, #280 of 1822 🔗

The brainwashing has been quick and thorough, this time last year no one would have given it a thought

300670 ▶▶ LS99, replying to arfurmo, 9, #281 of 1822 🔗

The comments on the Daily Mail are sometimes really mostly sceptical and other times quite ridiculously vociferously pro masks, lockdown etc. You know when something doesn’t feel quite right …. I get that feeling that the comments are manipulated.

300789 ▶▶▶ Crystal Decanter, replying to LS99, 10, #282 of 1822 🔗

There are an army of paid shills posting pro lockdown comments 24/7. This happens on 4-Chan all the time

300839 ▶▶ Mr Dee, replying to arfurmo, 7, #283 of 1822 🔗

Comments from people who’ve never had the joy of looking after a two-year old.

Why can’t these cretins crawl under a nice safe rock and leave the rest of us alone. Bastards, the lot of them.

301713 ▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to arfurmo, #284 of 1822 🔗

If those are the people who want to travel by air, I think I’ll stay well away.

300644 helen, 2, #285 of 1822 🔗

Nature – “ How kids’ immune systems can evade COVID-19 ” –

“Biology is rarely so straightforward.”

Yet biology is ‘straight forward’ enough to base your results upon a biological test with no proper peer review of protocol, being carried out without proper operational controls!

The PCR test has been thoroughly discredited (see lead article LDS yesterday) .. so why does this site peddle contradictory nonsense like this Nature article the conclusions of which would appear to support lockdown policies ?

https://www.researchgate.net/publication/346483715_External_peer_review_of_the_RTPCR_test_to_detect_SARS-CoV-2_reveals_10_major_scientific_flaws_at_the_molecular_and_methodological_level_consequences_for_false_positive_results/link/5fc4922e458515b79789bedd/download

EuroMoMo Excess Deaths
There are 2 striking anomalies in the 2020 data. A normal pattern of deaths from influenza within child cohort corresponding temporally with covid deaths in elderly cohort. While the elderly were dying from covid children were dying, as per previous years, from influenza (spikes indicate influenza outbreaks).

https://www.euromomo.eu/graphs-and-maps

300662 mhcp, replying to mhcp, 23, #286 of 1822 🔗

I think a campaign should be started called Worth The Risk.

Those who sign up will interact and function without restrictions. Establishments who sign up to Worth The Risk won’t track and trace, masks or any of that guff.

You can wear a badge saying Life is Worth The Risk. We can shame the idiots.

And for any who then say “So you’ll not get treatment then if you get ill?” we can reply “You don’t get treatment anyway under the current system. But anyway you fat fuck maybe worry about your own condition”

We’ll have Kenny Rogers and The First Edition’s “Just DroppedIn (To See What Condition My Condition Was In)” as the theme tune.

300924 ▶▶ Mabel Cow, replying to mhcp, 12, #287 of 1822 🔗
301069 ▶▶▶ DomW, replying to Mabel Cow, 7, #288 of 1822 🔗

Just checked out your site. There’s some great stuff on there, and a couple made me laugh out loud

How about combining your themes for one which has two phrases with suitable accompanying pictures

I was thinking:

Living Life

e..g your mountain climber or unmasked people smiling, hugging etc

Living Death

e.g. your masked sheep

Thanks for all your great work!

301012 ▶▶ Ben, replying to mhcp, 5, #289 of 1822 🔗

The problem here is that the fearful are feeling entitled to impose their fear on everyone else

*My rights don’t end where your fear begins*

300664 Achilles, replying to Achilles, 7, #290 of 1822 🔗

The DFE are now recommending all staff, children, and their family members of schools in the Kent, Essex and London areas to get tested whether they have symptoms or not . So apparently the solution to prevent the rise in “cases” is to start testing as many healthy people as possible. We all now where that will lead. In fact isn’t it obvious now? The whole country will be in Tier 3 by February. Essentially a full lockdown again. We will be in lockdown until the spring when the respiratory virus will naturally dissipate and then back in again in September/October.

300666 ▶▶ 6097 Smith W, replying to Achilles, 3, #291 of 1822 🔗

True unless we take action

300693 ▶▶ Victoria, replying to Achilles, 9, #292 of 1822 🔗

Testing results in lockdowns.

Asymptomatic infection is biologically implausible … …[if you test positive and have no symptoms, it is a false positive test]

300668 stefarm, replying to stefarm, 12, #293 of 1822 🔗

I suppose locking us up for another 3 months after Xmas will stop the people asking the 2 most important questions.

‘do to know anybody close to you who has had it (lurgy)’?

‘do you anybody close to you who has had it (big V)’?

No & No.

A scam

300787 ▶▶ Crystal Decanter, replying to stefarm, 8, #294 of 1822 🔗

The Bat Cold is just a bog standard Coronavirus. The other Coronas are quite capable of bumping off an 82 year old

300748 ▶▶ NorthumbrianNomad, replying to Billy No Mates, 1, #296 of 1822 🔗

“The Department of Health does not hold any information“ does NOT mean that it doesn’t exist. It means there is no information that the department can disclose under the FOI request.

300819 ▶▶ Andrew K, replying to Billy No Mates, 2, #297 of 1822 🔗

Yes, no scientist has ever truly isolated the actual virus, but we know it exist, they told us so!!

300833 ▶▶▶ Mr Dee, replying to Andrew K, 1, #298 of 1822 🔗

Some info here, I was listening to about an hour ago. From Mr Icke. Take it or leave it, your choice.

https://www.bitchute.com/video/BYgksOuLM94V/

300855 ▶▶ helen, replying to Billy No Mates, #299 of 1822 🔗

Yes right Billy..of course it doesn’t exist

300671 Country Mumkin, replying to Country Mumkin, 4, #300 of 1822 🔗

Anyone know what’s happening to NHS Wales? Says here it is shutdown to all illness except Covid. How is that possible? https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1338320102962434054.html

300689 ▶▶ Cecil B, replying to Country Mumkin, 2, #301 of 1822 🔗

To even ask that question suggests you don’t live in Wales

300707 ▶▶▶ Country Mumkin, replying to Cecil B, 2, #302 of 1822 🔗

I don’t live in Wales. I’m really looking to understand a bit more behind that thread unroll. Is the stats guy being literal when he says NHS Wales are “shutting down” to all but Covid / how “shut down” are they?

300718 ▶▶▶▶ 6097 Smith W, replying to Country Mumkin, 9, #303 of 1822 🔗

Save the NHS die at home

300754 ▶▶ kf99, replying to Country Mumkin, 7, #304 of 1822 🔗

At least it proves that firebreaks don’t work. Or will they spin it “if only it had been longer”

As Jonathan mentioned in the main update, when NHS management fails it gets sympathy, not criticism. I think of no other organisation that works like that.

300773 ▶▶ Crystal Decanter, replying to Country Mumkin, 5, #305 of 1822 🔗

The Welsh NHS has always been on the brink of collapse anyway. This is just smoke & mirrors from the Taffia and their mis-management

300812 ▶▶ Mr Dee, replying to Country Mumkin, 1, #306 of 1822 🔗

Here’s some stats I found for North Wales, yesterday. (I compiled these to try to persuade my mum that it is actually safe to come to see her grandchild this week).

First time I’ve compiled anything like this, so hope the information’s accurate. All stats from official sources.

300813 ▶▶▶ Mr Dee, replying to Mr Dee, 1, #307 of 1822 🔗

Part 2

300814 ▶▶▶▶ Mr Dee, replying to Mr Dee, 1, #308 of 1822 🔗

Part 3

301726 ▶▶▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Mr Dee, #309 of 1822 🔗

Good work. Thank you!

300824 ▶▶ Mr Dee, replying to Country Mumkin, 4, #310 of 1822 🔗

My wife works in the NHS (not front line). She’s given no indication that that particular hospital is shutting down. A lot of deaths at the moment, but none are Covid. Typical for this time of year.

301007 ▶▶ Ben, replying to Country Mumkin, 4, #311 of 1822 🔗

So, ten months ago:

CLAP FOR THE NHS

Today:

WAVE GOODBYE TO THE NHS

301720 ▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Ben, 1, #312 of 1822 🔗

dePiffles animated assurances that the NHS is Safe With Us and is Not For Sale are the irrefutable proof that the opposite has been the plan all along.

300672 George Mc, replying to George Mc, 15, #313 of 1822 🔗

I have been dwelling on the resemblance of the covid coverage to war propaganda: the excruciating tones of pious reverence for the sainted ones giving all, the hushed voices respectfully announcing the latest figures, the little stories of sacrifice and regret and heroism, the injunctions to get out there and clap your hands till the skin shreds off for our frontline medical troopers etc.

And while watching this with jaw gaping at the glutinous ringing of sentimentality, knowing that you can say nothing for fear of being denounced as a monster. It was exactly the same emotional blackmailing device used with regard to patriotism in wartime. And therefore the kind of sickening manoeuvre that the Left, more than anyone else, should have pointed out with wrath. And yet they, more than anyone else, stood by thoroughly supporting all this polystyrene sanctimony.

And I sometimes wonder if at least some of those Lefts actually know what is going on i.e. know full well this virus is just a device to install a new societal structure and they say nothing since installing a new societal structure is what they want – and perhaps with justification. And yet they think this virus move (for they correctly acknowledge that that is precisely what it is) will give them their chance.

So they stand off to one side silently biding their time. Perhaps they even secretly relish the idea of all those bourgeoisified Western proles getting their comeuppance before we all chip in for the great red dawn. After all, the fact that almost all those proles would actually want to go back to the old norm disgusts those Lefts. So capitalism is definitely over etc.

But again and again the central contradiction emerges – and it is a much more devastating contradiction than any dreamt of in the Hegelian or Marxist dialectic – that it is precisely the ruling class who are fuelling this covid narrative along with the restrictions and the lockdowns and the vaccines. And surely you’d think that, as more and more time went on and the economy tanked further and further and yet the covid shutdown continues relentlessly – and does so precisely under the direction of this ruling class, that this hopeful Left might start to feel that there is a fundamental flaw in the process.

Or does this Left really believe that bold strident protest groups have finally forced the hands of the leaders and the bosses? Why then, that means the revolution is already here! It’s the first ever revolution that, as it were, served itself up from above while those below didn’t even need to come out their houses!

300679 ▶▶ mhcp, replying to George Mc, 3, #314 of 1822 🔗

The author Joel Kotkin calls it Neo Feudalism. He’s a left leaning guy himself but this transcends party affiliations.

300695 ▶▶ Jonathan Palmer, replying to George Mc, 11, #315 of 1822 🔗

The left are the modern useful idiots.This is being driven by a fascist ruling class but because they are quite dim they cannot see it.
The environmental and woke rubbish seems to distract them and gives them impression they are winning.Also they are enjoying the government funded holidays on full pay

300783 ▶▶▶ Crystal Decanter, replying to Jonathan Palmer, 5, #316 of 1822 🔗

National Socialism would be 100% allied with today’s Green movement

301001 ▶▶ Ben, replying to George Mc, 2, #317 of 1822 🔗

The Left has betrayed humanity on the issue of ‘Covid’

301304 ▶▶ Borisbullshit, replying to George Mc, 2, #318 of 1822 🔗

I think there are so many similarities. When you look back at the white feathering of those who would not join up to fight in 1914…maybe thats whats in store for us for not wearing a mask!

300683 ▶▶ Dan Clarke, replying to chris, 1, #320 of 1822 🔗

Are they getting the inmates ready for more Chinese investment

300675 chris, replying to chris, 21, #321 of 1822 🔗

Kay Burley didn’t just break the rules, she KNEW it was BS. She has to be in on the scam. Why has she left the UK?

300691 ▶▶ FlynnQuill, replying to chris, 11, #322 of 1822 🔗

Hopefully she doesn’t come back. Must be nice to just jet off to Africa when the going gets tough. Like I said, if a normal Joe public had of done this I’d be clapping them. If it had of been Joe public they would probably have been arrested with a huge fine. What does Kay Burley get et el? 6 months payed holiday. She is the worst of the worst, a person who has blood on her hands by spreading the lies and propaganda. Calling people covid idiots etc for not following the BS rules. Come the revolution!!!!

300778 ▶▶▶ Darryl, replying to FlynnQuill, 8, #323 of 1822 🔗

6 months paid holiday – they reward their own. It’s like they deliberately set something up so she could have some time off for the excellent propaganda work she has been doing this year. All part of the lies and misinformation campaign being carried out by the behavioural insights team.

300717 ▶▶ PatrickF, replying to chris, 13, #324 of 1822 🔗

Prediction. Kay Burley will use the time to write a book about climate change, and endangered wildlife in South Africa.
Available in time for Christmas 2021.

300780 ▶▶ Crystal Decanter, replying to chris, 2, #325 of 1822 🔗

I hope she gets Ebola

300834 ▶▶▶ Voz 0db, replying to Crystal Decanter, 3, #326 of 1822 🔗

That might not do the job!

301194 ▶▶▶ Locked down and out, replying to Crystal Decanter, #327 of 1822 🔗

Not when watching lions, sadly, as ebola appears to be confined to West Africa.

300997 ▶▶ Ben, replying to chris, 4, #328 of 1822 🔗

Exactly! People have killed themselves because of lockdown and she’s been pushing the agenda. That makes her evil in my eyes

300678 James Leary #KBF, replying to James Leary #KBF, 21, #329 of 1822 🔗

From today’s lockdownsceptics:

“ I noticed a comment in the current newsletter of a small hotel in Scotland offering “Wildlife Holidays” where we have stayed on occasion in the days pre COVID-19.
“Should a vaccination programme be rolled out in the next few months, then it is likely we will require all guests to have been vaccinated before arrival,” it says.”

Ok – a bit of preemptive action is needed here. Let’s flag up and name establishments that come out with this guff. Let’s treat them to a bit of real-world customer feedback, ante.

Go onto Tripadvisor, and leave a message to any hotel, restaurant, or venue saying that you will not be spending your money with them and will be spreading the word that they are not customer-friendly. I’m being polite,

300685 ▶▶ Lainey, replying to James Leary #KBF, 8, #330 of 1822 🔗

I hope people will share these in future with a link so we can all easily go and bombard them. It is an effective strategy – as can be seen by the woke brigade

300698 ▶▶▶ James Leary #KBF, replying to Lainey, 4, #331 of 1822 🔗

Indeed. Why should the woke have all the best tunes?

301352 ▶▶▶ JanMasarykMunich, replying to Lainey, 1, #332 of 1822 🔗

I’m in.

300710 ▶▶ PatrickF, replying to James Leary #KBF, 3, #333 of 1822 🔗

Or, ” someone who stayed there, caught the virus and now track and trace have told me to self-isolate. “

300792 ▶▶ Andrew K, replying to James Leary #KBF, 5, #334 of 1822 🔗

How about threatening them with legal action on discrimination!

300681 Lainey, replying to Lainey, 26, #335 of 1822 🔗

Problem. Reaction. Solution.
Rinse and Repeat.
Now people in Newspaper comments are arguing about the minutiae of being in Tier 2 or Tier 3 instead of calling the WHOLE thing out as rubbish.
People gloating that schools need to be shut as vectors of transmission.
Once this narrative moves onto this stage we’re buggered – because they’ve accepted that the original lockdown premise is valid!

300703 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to Lainey, 4, #336 of 1822 🔗

That’s correct. Down the rabbit hole.

The solutions will be just as crazy once the problem, a hoodwink in itself, is acknowledged as credible

300706 ▶▶ Voz 0db, replying to Lainey, 5, #337 of 1822 🔗

You can now FORGET a reaction from the Herd of modern moron slaves. Even if They (SRF & Billionaires) decided to declare via jesters (aka politicians and “experts”) that:

There is no more danger! You can resume your previous Life Style! No need for masks, social distancing, jab! Life Happily

The HERD wouldn’t do it.

300684 Lucan Grey, replying to Lucan Grey, 13, #338 of 1822 🔗

I spent the a chunk of the weekend arguing with my teenage daughter and insisting that she would be going to school for the last week of term. Only for her to be sent home this morning to “self-isolate” for the rest of the week because somebody she sits next to received a positive result from a test taken *on the 4th December*.

(i) if there was any transmission she’d have gone down with it by now
(ii) I now have an insufferably smug teenager in the house.

Even if it there was ever a hint of rationality in this process, the shark has well truly been jumped.

300697 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to Lucan Grey, 5, #339 of 1822 🔗

The school situation is completely batshit crazy. Please, keep a note or at least a running score of the day’s missed and general costs of those missed in school days. Once PCR is shown to be the sledgehammer fraud that it is, and I feel that’s coming soon, let the school know they participated in this and they cannot claim ignorance. Copy your MP.

I have emailed my MLA (Northern Ireland) since June on PCR and warned him the schools situation was going to be chaos. Four emails later he finally responded to say he’d forwarded my questions to the relevant department, this was last week. So it took 6 months.

I warned him back then that there was enough in the medical literature to suggest this was a dnagerous tool to use, and he should be concerned. To not at least ask the question was being complicit in the destruction of education.

300860 ▶▶▶ Ewan Duffy, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 3, #340 of 1822 🔗

I’d pre-empt that situation by sending such a notice now that this is what you are doing and that when this scam is revealed for what it is, you will be holding the school and its officers (head/board of governors) personally responsible.

300694 PatrickF, 16, #341 of 1822 🔗

I’ve just been tested. Result: I’m a 100% sceptic.

300696 Voz 0db, 3, #342 of 1822 🔗

“Very High Alert” for what?! Cold’s/Flu’s/Pneumonia’s?!

That’s a first!
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We keep posting comments and They keep CHANGING Their Civilization and screwing us…

It’s a FAIR exchange.

300701 Julian, replying to Julian, 2, #343 of 1822 🔗

I wrote to my MP about today’s debate:

https://committees.parliament.uk/committee/326/petitions-committee/news/137809/mps-to-debate-a-petition-relating-to-covid19-vaccinations/

on this petition:

https://petition.parliament.uk/petitions/323442

Prevent any restrictions on those who refuse a Covid-19 vaccination I want the Government to prevent any restrictions being placed on those who refuse to have any potential Covid-19 vaccine. This includes restrictions on travel, social events, such as concerts or sports. No restrictions whatsoever.

This was part of her reply:

However, though the Government will be encouraging everyone to take the vaccine to ensure it is rolled out as quickly and effectively as possible, there are no plans to make the vaccine mandatory. As the vaccine will not be mandatory, there will be no requirement for proof of vaccine.

300721 ▶▶ Country Mumkin, replying to Julian, 6, #344 of 1822 🔗

“No plans to make mandatory”…

Probably because it’s an emergency authorisation and trials not complete til 2023. I don’t think they can mandate it because it is not complete / licensed.

But they will. In 2023! The plans will start in 2022.

300725 ▶▶ Banjones, replying to Julian, 2, #345 of 1822 🔗

And this one, which is growing suspiciously slowly.
https://petition.parliament.uk/petitions/561818

They can blather on all they like about ”no plans to make the vaccine mandatory” – but there are other ways of skinning a cat.

300832 ▶▶ Now More Than Ever, replying to Julian, 2, #346 of 1822 🔗

They’ve had “no plans” to do a lot of things that are now part of the “package of measures”.

300705 Basics, replying to Basics, 5, #347 of 1822 🔗

“Last year, they simulated a coronavirus pandemic at Event 201.

“This year, they’re simulating a digital pandemic. You’re welcome in advance.”

https://twitter.com/LegendaryEnergy/status/1337854026679898112?s=20

Wef page directly:
https://t.co/Mdq8AufAEu ?

300715 ▶▶ Country Mumkin, replying to Basics, 5, #348 of 1822 🔗

I looked into that a while back. It seems to be a yearly cyber security event, from what I can ascertain.

For a while I got concerned, especially with the rumpus about grid shutdown too. But then, how can they terrorise everyone with no Internet? And how can they keep their precious vaccines chilled with no electricity?

So I decided not to invest energy into thoughts about that.

300731 ▶▶▶ Country Mumkin, replying to Country Mumkin, 2, #349 of 1822 🔗

Or it might be a way of clearing our bank accounts momentarily…

300757 ▶▶▶ Jonathan Palmer, replying to Country Mumkin, 4, #350 of 1822 🔗

Same with food shortages,nothing like hungry bellies to get people on the streets.This is a controlled demolition of the economy and they will be careful to maintain order throughout.
That is not to say we won’t have food and power shortages once they implement their insane zero carbon policies.

300708 swedenborg, replying to swedenborg, 5, #351 of 1822 🔗

KevinMcKernan in a new frontal attack about PCR tests.Most use the N gene which is a disaster according to him.Highly technical stuff but the gist below.

https://mobile.twitter.com/Kevin_McKernan/status/1338301821136359424

 English translation: We are not targeting active replicating virus. We are targeting it’s Ghost.

300730 ▶▶ Voz 0db, replying to swedenborg, 5, #352 of 1822 🔗

There is no “active replicating virus”. You can write “replicating RNA” and that’s it.

Till this day ZERO scientific evidence that RNA labelled “SARS-CoV-2” is indeed a new infectious viral particle, capable of causing a disease (pneumonia) and eventually kill the infected animal.

So, in reality, it does not matter if they use this bit or that bit of the RNA… Crap is Crap no matter the angle or colour!

300747 ▶▶ Voz 0db, replying to swedenborg, 2, #353 of 1822 🔗

He’s talking about what I already talked here and on other sites…

Since the day that DNA is a thing, the DNA incorporated an unknown number of exogenous RNA pieces of code (no matter the label we now use for “bug”!).

Our Immune System (I.S.) can trigger these now Endogenous pieces of former exogenous RNA, just to boost the immunity response, or they can be expressed and replicated in case of STRESS or response to other attacks when the I.S. is trying to find the right tools for the job!

All this COVIDIUS CIRCUS has nothing to do with wealth!

300831 ▶▶▶ Voz 0db, replying to Voz 0db, 1, #354 of 1822 🔗

“wealth”…”health”!

300750 ▶▶ Voz 0db, replying to swedenborg, 1, #355 of 1822 🔗

And in the referenced paper FUNNY ENOUGH they go after the other XX Century fraud and scam “HIV”!

No wonder…

300719 captainbeefheart, replying to captainbeefheart, 18, #357 of 1822 🔗

A friend of mine who I used to play on the pool team with unfortunately died the other day. She had beaten cancer before, but it came back a month or so ago.

I don’t know all the details, but apparently she tested negative a few days before, then on the day she died, she tested positive.

I’ll be furious if they recorded C19 on the death certificate, I’ve not spoken to her husband yet.

RIP Kaz, you’ve gone to a better place now – the pool team will miss you 🙁

300722 ▶▶ 6097 Smith W, replying to captainbeefheart, 7, #358 of 1822 🔗

It will be C19 on the death certificate.

300727 ▶▶▶ captainbeefheart, replying to 6097 Smith W, 5, #359 of 1822 🔗

Well if anyone sees the official C19 death figures, subtract at least two (because two people I know now have died of “covid 19”).

300771 ▶▶▶▶ Darryl, replying to captainbeefheart, 3, #360 of 1822 🔗

Same here, know of 2 people with it on the death certificate, one terminally ill – who had lived longer than Doctors expected, the other had a serious heart condition. Medical profession is enabling the establishment.

300794 ▶▶ Crystal Decanter, replying to captainbeefheart, 5, #361 of 1822 🔗

Lady in work was in a hospice since last summer with the big C. Died April time of Corona cold. You couldn’t make it up

300720 Banjones, replying to Banjones, 29, #362 of 1822 🔗

Why the hell are MPs wittering on about which tier should be here or there? There should be NO restrictions WHATSOEVER by now! This is ludicrous! Have they lost all sense of proportion as they fall under the sway of the Cult?

There seems to be an obsession, not just with testing, but with ”cases”, that aren’t cases anyway. Where are the overwhelmed hospitals?

And, more to the point, where are they finding all these dimwits who are supposedly getting ‘tested’? Hundreds of thousands? Oh yeah.

300723 ▶▶ muzzle, replying to Banjones, 10, #363 of 1822 🔗

If you can get people to waste their energy arguing over the detail, they forget about the bigger issue. Everything you see in the news today seems to be millions of these micro-diversions.

300733 ▶▶▶ Sylvia Priest, replying to muzzle, 11, #364 of 1822 🔗

Trying to hide the Chinese infiltration story as Sage must be 99.57 percent communist

300735 ▶▶▶ Banjones, replying to muzzle, 2, #365 of 1822 🔗

Yes – and it’s the word ”catastrophic” which grabs their attention, no doubt. ”Catastrophic” my foot. I’m sure there are many more hyperbolic adjectives in their arsenal.

300741 ▶▶▶ Jonathan Palmer, replying to muzzle, 11, #366 of 1822 🔗

If you consider the government as an occupying force then everything makes sense.The tier system is a master stroke.Divide the population and get them arguing with one another over whether this area or another one should be in a pointless system of business destroying regulation;instead of questioning the whole rotten regime.
Divide and rule.

300768 ▶▶ Noumenon, replying to Banjones, 5, #367 of 1822 🔗

It’s the same as the war on terror, just bigger. They concentrated on terrorists here and terrorists there, “freedom” fighters and calamities, so much so people never questioned why we are there.

300724 Voz 0db, 5, #368 of 1822 🔗

How Many People Are Really Dying of COVID-19?

ZERO!

“COVID-19” is just the 2020’s OPERATION COVIDIUS label for Good Old PNEUMONIA .

And since for every sample we can have a “positive” or a “negative” PCR amplification we can, IF WE WANT, have ZERO “positive” PCR’s.

How many are dying from PNEUMONIA?

The usual ~ 2,500,000 globally per year!

The UK’s COVID-19 Passport Plan

Since Bill Gates already gave the ORDER to BomuttJo that this is to be deployed, just get ready for it. Don’t complain… JUST OBEY.

300726 davews, 2, #369 of 1822 🔗

Concerned that we (Bracknell) will end up in tier 3 on Wednesday. ‘Cases’ are rising, there were 51 yesterday although we are still almost the lowest in Berkshire. Assumed largely in schools, several schools have been closed for a week or two. Why they are testing schoolchildren puzzles me. As far as I know we don’t have any local test centres, there were some temporary ones in the summer but it seems just the three permanent ones in Reading, Slough and Newbury, all places which are hardly convenient to get to.

Tesco this morning has now put up more perspex barriers between their checkouts, more pointless obstructions. Talking of which they seemed to have a leaking roof and on the way slipped badly on a wet patch by the bucket and yellow warning sign next to it. Seem to have survived without any nasties. At least I created a stir, they all dashed and asked if I was OK. People with masks covering their eyes would probably have never seen the warning sign.

300728 Stephen, replying to Stephen, 22, #370 of 1822 🔗

I live in Bury, a dreary northern town that is home to a very popular market. We also have two shopping centres – Millgate and The Rock. In an amazing display of pettiness all the benches near to the Millgate have been removed. Why? Because after doing their shopping the mostly old shoppers have been sitting on them. Last week I witnessed the bench sitters being harassed by PCSOs, police and our new Covid Marshall’s. Funnily enough, the police ignore the drunks and druggies that congregate daily near the bus station.

300764 ▶▶ Noumenon, replying to Stephen, 6, #371 of 1822 🔗

That’s because all credit to the drunks and druggies they’ll make it exceptionally difficult for anyone who tries to interfere.

300785 ▶▶ Andrew K, replying to Stephen, 2, #372 of 1822 🔗

Don’t understand why? it’s not illegal to sit on a bench. WTF!

300806 ▶▶ Sam Vimes, replying to Stephen, 5, #373 of 1822 🔗

Just talking yesterday about nipping into Bury, not been for a while, but I think we’ll give it a miss. I am the softest, scardy cat-est guy around, but a ‘Covid Marshall’ will get a bright red hi viz nose if it comes near me.

300729 Thomas_E, replying to Thomas_E, 27, #374 of 1822 🔗

This has been another depressing Monday morning despite the lovely sunrise in my neck of the woods. My train platform was quite busy, everybody masked except ,me. The train , the same story. Then to top it off I saw a young family and the kids one about 4 the other not bigger than 2 , ALL WITH FACEMASKS! I see this more and more in London and I have truly lost faith in any common sense humanity used to posses. I had a breakdown this weekend ( my CPTSD has caught up with me again) and just cried in front of my wife , this is no longer living ,it’s existing. Christmas will also be shit as my wife lovely family decided that it is too dangerous to see us . My 6 year old daughter is taking this very hard as she has spent every sing le holiday of her life with them around. Fuck them, I’m beyond angry, I’m just despondent now.

300736 ▶▶ Voz 0db, replying to Thomas_E, 10, #375 of 1822 🔗

Muzzles are the new POINTER…
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With the necessary adjustment!

In the XXI Century WAR those no OBEYING THE ORDERS and wearing a muzzle are the one being targeted.

300781 ▶▶▶ mikewaite, replying to Voz 0db, 6, #376 of 1822 🔗

But consider, from the horror and terror of the Holocaust was born a new nation , Israel , of such fierceness that no one dare tangle with it.
Could the terror, misery and coercion now being deliberately created by our ruling class result in a new social class that separates itself from the moronic sheeple class by having eg , its own school system , a chain of stores (there will be plenty of empty property soon ) where no silly restrictions apply , parks and gyms where the muzzled and the vaccinated are discouraged (because the vaccinated represent a silent army of “Typhoid Marys”.as so many here have realised)?.
What is needed to produce this alternative society is capital and organisation. There is no reason why only the totally corrupt facebook and twitter should domnate the internet. There was after all a time when they did not exist.
My wife , as a teacher taught at different times in both a strictly orthodox Jewish girls school and a Plymouth Brethren school . Both of those groups manage to live very comfortably and happily within their own societies , with several considerable barriers against mixing with the general population .
A free, happy and prosperous parallel society of those sceptical of covid hysteria and vaccination with totally untested and basically useless brews might make the sheeple think again about their own restricted and miserable lifestyle.

300826 ▶▶▶▶ Voz 0db, replying to mikewaite, 4, #377 of 1822 🔗

The SRF & Billionaires already live in an isolated society… OPERATION COVIDIUS is the 1st one to start addressing the threat to that isolated society.

And it has been so far a HUGE SUCCESS.

300751 ▶▶ Charlie Blue, replying to Thomas_E, 3, #378 of 1822 🔗

I’m so sorry your little girl has been disappointed like this, but I know that you and your wife will still make her Christmas special and vice versa.

300795 ▶▶ Sam Vimes, replying to Thomas_E, 8, #379 of 1822 🔗

We are with you, TE. I know we are just text on a web page, but we are on your side. You are right, ‘they’ are wrong.

300990 ▶▶ Ben, replying to Thomas_E, 4, #380 of 1822 🔗

So sorry you’re suffering under this evil and human stupidity. Sending hugs

Total respect to you for not wearing a mask. I think you’re courageous. Thank you. There are good people in the world

300737 Lockdown_Lunacy, replying to Lockdown_Lunacy, 9, #381 of 1822 🔗

My wife’s friend brought her son around to play with my daughter yesterday, tier 2 so stricly verboten! She has been visiting throughout this saga.

But get this, she started moaning about her sister not following “the rules”! I’m very confused…

300743 ▶▶ Recusant, replying to Lockdown_Lunacy, 12, #382 of 1822 🔗

The rules are for other people. See Burley, Kay; Cummins, Dominic; the 70% of people who support lockdown.

300738 Voz 0db, 10, #383 of 1822 🔗

Don’t forget to…
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300742 Christopher, 1, #384 of 1822 🔗

Guy I work for was chatting to the landlord at his local , apparently the brewery told him last week that they have had the nod from up high that they will be closed due to Tier 3 by the end of this week. This madness will never end .

300745 Be Unshakeable, replying to Be Unshakeable, 5, #385 of 1822 🔗

Members of the government are certainly marketing this vaccine with renewed vigor and enthusiasm this Christmas. One could easily be forgiven for thinking that some of their number have a personal economic interest in the fortunes of the product. I’m reminded of the sage advice of one my old professors however – one should be careful that one does not ascribe to conspiracy that which can be explained by stupidity.

300796 ▶▶ Jonathan Palmer, replying to Be Unshakeable, 9, #386 of 1822 🔗

If it was just here then it’s plausible,but this is worldwide.It beggars belief that all politicians are incompetent and stupid in the same way.
Consider the destruction of the economy due to the PCR test.It is inconceivable that the government doesn’t know the truth about it.
They have had many chances to row back from this but each time have doubled down.This suggests conspiracy not incompetence .
It’s comforting to ascribe this to Normal Government greed and incompetence because the truth is terrifying but this is what we must face.

300804 ▶▶▶ Banjones, replying to Jonathan Palmer, 2, #387 of 1822 🔗

World wide cultism.

300828 ▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to Be Unshakeable, 1, #388 of 1822 🔗

Yep. But you won’t convince the “truthers” here. They believe what they want to believe without looking at the original media, rather than the heavily edited versions. I don’t even bother trying to engage with them any longer. Such a shame because they are as bad as the lockdown zealots, only allegedly on our side.

300952 ▶▶▶ Jonathan Palmer, replying to Nick Rose, #389 of 1822 🔗

Can you explain what a truther is?

300746 Old Bill, replying to Old Bill, 6, #390 of 1822 🔗

Way back in 1975 the American supergroup ‘The Eagles’ wrote and recorded a superb song with which they had a big hit. It was nothing to do with politics, although its themes were deception, cheating, greed and safetyism so it could have been. It suddenly struck me that if they re-released it now, it could be retitled ‘The Boris Johnson Song’ (although many other names would be equally valid for the new title).

Have a read through the lines of the chorus and see if you agree with me. If you are old enough to remember the tune, maybe sing the words, it might cheer you up a bit!

You can’t hide your lyin’ eyes

And your smile is a thin disguise

I thought by now you’d realize

There ain’t no way to hide your lyin’ eyes

300774 ▶▶ kf99, replying to Old Bill, 3, #391 of 1822 🔗

I think Don Henley’s New York Minute has been quite appropriate this year – theme: life is for living.

And in these days
When darkness falls early
And people rush home
To the ones they love
You better take a fool’s advice
And take care of your own
‘Cause one day they’re here;
Next day they’re gone

300856 ▶▶▶ Mutineer, replying to kf99, 1, #392 of 1822 🔗

Their ‘Last Resort’ is fitting, too. ‘You call some place paradise, kiss it goodbye’

Also, Jackson Browne’s ‘Before the Deluge’ is very pertinent.

300917 ▶▶▶ Stringfellow Hawke, replying to kf99, 1, #393 of 1822 🔗

There’s another segment from this song which I actually thought of: ‘Somebody’s going to emergency,
Somebody’s going to jail…!’

300784 ▶▶ maggie may, replying to Old Bill, 4, #394 of 1822 🔗

How about Leonard Cohen’s Everybody Knows?

Everybody knows the ship is sinking,
Everybody knows the captain lied

And much more in a similar vein, brilliantly prophetic

300837 ▶▶▶ Old Bill, replying to maggie may, 1, #395 of 1822 🔗

Oh yes, I loved LC.
Meanwhile, I have got another one for you, it is a very simple rewrite of a Dylan song, with his permission I will call it ‘ The Track and Trace Song’:

Well, they’ll phone ya when you’re trying to be so good

They’ll phone ya just a-like they said they would

They’ll phone ya when you’re tryin’ to go home

Then they’ll phone ya when you’re there all alone

But I would not feel so all alone

Everybody must get phoned

Well, they’ll phone ya when you’re walkin’ ‘long the street

They’ll phone ya when you’re tryin’ to keep your seat

They’ll phone ya when you’re walkin’ on the floor

They’ll phone ya when you’re walkin’ to the door

But I would not feel so all alone

Everybody must get phoned

They’ll phone ya when you’re at the breakfast table

They’ll phone ya when you are young and able

They’ll phone ya when you’re tryin’ to make a buck

They’ll phone ya and then they’ll say, “Good luck”

Tell ya what, I would not feel so all alone

Everybody must get phoned

Well, they’ll phone you and say that it’s the end

Then they’ll phone you and then they’ll come back again

They’ll phone you when you’re riding in your car

They’ll phone you when you’re playing your guitar

Yes, but I would not feel so all alone

Everybody must get phoned

Well, they’ll phone you when you walk all alone

They’ll phone you when you are walking home

They’ll phone you and then say you are brave

They’ll phone you when you are set down in your grave

But I would not feel so all alone

Everybody must get phoned

300871 ▶▶ p02099003, replying to Old Bill, 6, #396 of 1822 🔗

Then there’s Hotel Lockdown, “you can book in any time you like but you can never leave”, and, “they gathered in the masters chamber ready for the feast and though they stab it with their steely knives they just can’t kill the beast.”

300886 ▶▶▶ Old Bill, replying to p02099003, 2, #397 of 1822 🔗

But of course – excellent!

300749 T. Prince, replying to T. Prince, 3, #398 of 1822 🔗

So Gates says bars and restaurants should stay closed for 4-6 months…..
https://www.rt.com/usa/509561-bill-gates-covid19/

300755 ▶▶ Be Unshakeable, replying to T. Prince, 11, #399 of 1822 🔗

Perhaps we would be even more secure if we barred the Gates and Windows.

300756 ▶▶ Julian, replying to T. Prince, 9, #400 of 1822 🔗

I’ve never given him much thought before this year but he seems a truly vile individual – pretends to be Mr Nice Guy but has zero awareness of the effect of his actions on others.

Is he offering to pay the wages of all staff affected, and the lost profits to the owners?

300765 ▶▶▶ Voz 0db, replying to Julian, 10, #401 of 1822 🔗

This Billionaire (and Friends) is PLANNING this OPERATION since the year 2000.

“A new Century… A new Civilization”
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And he has NO PROBLEM in saying publicly those things because he knows that the HERD (me and you) are too busy with our daily modern slavery that we don’t even know about that.

Like you yourself wrote

I’ve never given him much thought before this year

But even if you were giving a lot of thought in the Past, the rest of the Herd would just called you a “CONSPIRACY THEORISTS”, or a “TROLL” or any other label…

300811 ▶▶▶ Banjones, replying to Julian, 4, #402 of 1822 🔗

He never strikes me as very bright. Perhaps he’s another useful idiot. A tool of Sauron.
Though ”zero awareness” I think is being far too kind to him. He doesn’t actually CARE. A sociopath perhaps?

300758 ▶▶ Voz 0db, replying to T. Prince, 9, #403 of 1822 🔗

Most of my fellow modern slaves AREN’T still aware of REALITY…

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Any TOOL he and is Friends and the SRF can use to achieve that goal will be deployed.

That TOOL will allow for boosting the poverty cases that can lead to some suicide deaths, or some hunger deaths or some disease deaths.

It’s a very good TOOL to create many SILENT DEATHS.

300762 ▶▶▶ Pebbles, replying to Voz 0db, 2, #404 of 1822 🔗

Brilliant… and nauseating.

300776 ▶▶ Crystal Decanter, replying to T. Prince, 4, #405 of 1822 🔗

Switch to Linux
No lockdown sceptic should be using any Gates materials

300797 ▶▶▶ Voz 0db, replying to Crystal Decanter, 13, #406 of 1822 🔗

I use Linux for many years…

Most don’t even know how to format a drive and create a bootable USB to install a LINUX OS, or go to the bios setting to adjust something if needed! All this even when all the information and steps are online and are easy to execute!

Most choose to remain with that crap because it’s already familiar! Just the same behaviour that makes them vote for the same party, watch the same TV channel, and so on.

They only way to force them to switch to LINUX is to implement in their minds the FEAR that “ WINDOWS can transmit “SARS-CoV-2” and cause “COVID-19” “!

300958 ▶▶ mattghg, replying to T. Prince, 2, #407 of 1822 🔗

Why the fuck is anyone asking this maniac for his opinion??

301172 ▶▶▶ Voz 0db, replying to mattghg, #408 of 1822 🔗

That was funny! He’s a Billionaire and likes to HELP PEOPLE!

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But most of all, morons love to ear what they perceive of “smart people” say.

300982 ▶▶ Ben, replying to T. Prince, 5, #409 of 1822 🔗

Bill Gates is destroying the world

301174 ▶▶▶ Voz 0db, replying to Ben, 2, #410 of 1822 🔗

He and his Friends are ONLY doing what They believe is necessary to SECURE THEIR FUTURE and LIFE STYLE…

We – the herd – aren’t doing anything, except OBEYING!

300753 Squire Western, 2, #411 of 1822 🔗

How embarrassing for the Oxford student who, hoping to show erudition by using a Latin tag, then spells ‘stultissimus’ incorrectly. I hope he’s not reading classics!

300759 Andrew K, replying to Andrew K, 3, #412 of 1822 🔗

I need every bodies help on this, I’m looking a creating a list of Covid facts with a trustworthy reference that can be used to against the zealots. It can be anything to do with this whole pandemic from IFR, PCR testing, face masks (That dental study now censored will be good), lockdowns, death numbers, treatments, economical, deaths in children. Once this fact sheet (That fact checker will struggle to dismiss) has been created, I will then look at how best to use this information. Either leaflet drop or email distribution. For instances.

  • The IFR is 99.7%
  1. Ref 1
  2. Ref:2
  • The cause casue mortality rate is xxx which is within the 10 year average

Ref: 1, 2, 3

I’m looking for at least 10 facts (ONS backed numbers or medical reviewed papars all the better).

Thanks in advance.

300779 ▶▶ stefarm, replying to Andrew K, #413 of 1822 🔗

Some good links to various papers here

https://cvpandemicinvestigation.com/

300847 ▶▶▶ Andrew K, replying to stefarm, #414 of 1822 🔗

Thanks Stefarm

300782 ▶▶ Voz 0db, replying to Andrew K, 14, #415 of 1822 🔗

Sorry to say to you the following:

THERE IS NO AMOUNT OF TRUSTWORTHY REFERENCES you can use that the zealots will accept, and that will cause the zealots CHANGING their behaviour.

That’s why you call them zealots!!!

And this type of sub-umans are CONTROLLED via…
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So… try to use your RESOURCES on something more effective!

300807 ▶▶▶ Crystal Decanter, replying to Voz 0db, 6, #416 of 1822 🔗

I agree
Just wait for them to keel over from the Frankenjab
It’s the only way

300845 ▶▶▶ Andrew K, replying to Voz 0db, 3, #417 of 1822 🔗

I’m trying to do something, instead of just preaching to the converted. Even if I do a leaflet drop of 500 and a couple of peple take in the information it’ll be worth it. I can sit here posting all day, it won’t make a blind bit of difference. I need to take the fight out into the real world. Come on help me. Please

300876 ▶▶▶▶ Voz 0db, replying to Andrew K, 6, #418 of 1822 🔗

The other day I was wasting time with two zealots. They saw me without the muzzle and asked me

“So… You still think this is all fake? The deaths are fake? There is no “COVID”?”

I answered:

“YES, pretty much! Can any one of you provide me the scientific paper that proves ALL that you just asked me?”

I stopped the brief talk saying to them:

STOP WATCHING TV and START TO READ MORE!

You can’t change their mindset… I know what I’m talking about.

I know an american that also made in April and May a few hundred leaflets (I helped a little with that)…

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Didn’t CHANGE shit…

301076 ▶▶▶▶▶ Andrew K, replying to Voz 0db, 1, #419 of 1822 🔗

Good on you for trying, you never know it might have worked on some, maybe not immediately but some time later when information about PCR testing became more readily available. There are many who are ignorant. For instance I will have building work done in my home shortly and he had no idea about PCR testing, why should he, it’s not an every day topic or even for the layman. But after I explained about false positive rates he did take it onboard.

301140 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Voz 0db, replying to Andrew K, 1, #420 of 1822 🔗

It DOES NOT matter if it might work “some time later”! That’s the main problem… The herd of modern moron slaves are programmed to OBEY the Orders emanating from the TV and SMARTPHONES and they are all obeying them promptly. Without question or hesitation.

They don’t care about your opinion or mine, and that leaflet was just me helping another person, it was a very small help!

We’ve been programmed since birth to reject PERSONAL RESPONSIBILITY, specially in the Field of Health.

Doctors KNOW BEST ” this is the software code running on pretty much 99% of the OS’s Herd.

“He did take it onboard” … But is he capable of REJECTING being “tested” by exposing why PCR is NOT A TEST?!

301169 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Voz 0db, replying to Andrew K, 1, #421 of 1822 🔗

I’ve also tried that one!!

Asking the morons “ How many people die each year due to pneumonia?

The obvious reply “ But this is not pneumonia, it’s COVID ”!

Too much TV and “SMART”ROCKS!

301702 ▶▶▶▶ David Grimbleby, replying to Andrew K, #422 of 1822 🔗

I print off leaflets, and leave around, who knows, if one sheeple reads it and erm.. ‘thinks’ it is worth it.

300801 ▶▶ Dodderydude, replying to Andrew K, 1, #423 of 1822 🔗

I and an equally sceptical friend have tried this approach with multiple acquaintances and, no matter how many indisputable facts we tried to get them to look at, the reaction has been simple: ‘Your experts are wrong, ours are right’.

300926 ▶▶ Stringfellow Hawke, replying to Andrew K, 1, #424 of 1822 🔗

Couple of good quotes here. Prof. Pollock did get this point into an interview on the BBC news.
Dr Louisa Harding-Edgar, of the Institute of Health and Wellbeing, University of Glasgow, said: “Because the current PCR COVID test is not a test of infectiousness or current infection….
Prof. Pollock: “Clinical input is required to marry symptoms with test results..”
https://www.ncl.ac.uk/press/articles/latest/2020/10/testandtraceservice/

300980 ▶▶ Ben, replying to Andrew K, 1, #425 of 1822 🔗

Look at the German site (in English too) http://www.acu2020.org

There is also an Italian version (I wish they would all link together)

301151 ▶▶ Sceptic in SA, replying to Andrew K, #426 of 1822 🔗

This is pretty good and comes across as quite objective: https://wattsupwiththat.com/2020/12/10/essential-facts-about-covid-19/

301427 ▶▶ JanMasarykMunich, replying to Andrew K, 1, #427 of 1822 🔗

my list of Mask refs

mask propaganda withdrawn by medical journal here:

https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.10.21.20208728v2

overview
https://swprs.org/danish-mask-study-no-benefit/

negative impact:
https://www.psychologycounts.com/

technical article from PhD:

https://www.aier.org/article/the-year-of-disguises/

And, if asymptomatic transmission seems to be a myth (see below), how can masks possibly help? Unless you have a symptoms of course, in which you should preferably stay home (or wear a mask, if you have to go out – but only in that case.)

https://www.nature.com/articles/s41467-020-19802-w
summary at

301523 ▶▶▶ Andrew K, replying to JanMasarykMunich, #428 of 1822 🔗

Thanks JanMasarykMunich

I will be putting stuff together and will update as often as i can on here. Then once I get a comprehensive list I will try and publish/print this for distribution. In the words of Cummins (when used in Brexit vote)
it’s not for the 3rd who will vote remain
it’s not for the 3rd who will vote for exit
It’s for those who are undecided

301445 ▶▶ JanMasarykMunich, replying to Andrew K, 1, #429 of 1822 🔗

I have been thinking along same lines as you, trying at least to put together some kind of presentation for my contacts.

I have started collating things under headings, but I wish I had done this earlier.

300760 chaos, replying to chaos, 5, #430 of 1822 🔗

More good news everyone. King Blowjob and his dad, and Princess Nut Nut are still in charge. Also the US’ Arecibos satellite has collapsed and damaged beyond repair meaning China is now pretty much the only country listening out for aliens.

300770 ▶▶ Richym99, replying to chaos, 9, #431 of 1822 🔗

They are looking for signs of intelligent life, and finding little evidence. A bit like us watching “Today at Westminster”.

300777 ▶▶▶ Be Unshakeable, replying to Richym99, 7, #432 of 1822 🔗

And pray that there’s intelligent life somewhere up in space… …’cos there’s bugger-all down here on Earth”

300786 Bruce Reynolds, replying to Bruce Reynolds, 95, #433 of 1822 🔗

This morning it was the turn of my local bus company to be victim of Plan B, driver refused to move until I doned muzzle, explained exemption blah blah,doned muzzle ten minutes into journey hit blackout mode..Bus came to a complete standstill second bus called to transport shocked passengers, ambulance called for yours truly, claim against bus company and driver on it’s way.. job done..

300788 ▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to Bruce Reynolds, 27, #434 of 1822 🔗

Yay! Take the bastards for every penny!!

300803 ▶▶ Voz 0db, replying to Bruce Reynolds, 9, #435 of 1822 🔗

I started to use my ICE vehicle since March… No more money for them!

300810 ▶▶ Gill, replying to Bruce Reynolds, 17, #436 of 1822 🔗

I love your posts! Keep up the good work!!

300816 ▶▶▶ Bruce Reynolds, replying to Gill, 16, #437 of 1822 🔗

You bet, my pleasure..

300818 ▶▶ Sam Vimes, replying to Bruce Reynolds, 22, #438 of 1822 🔗

If you are making these up, Bruce, they are still very entertaining. If you are really doing it, you need to be in the New Year’s Honours list. 🙂

300843 ▶▶▶ Bruce Reynolds, replying to Sam Vimes, 26, #439 of 1822 🔗

Now then sir one could take exception to the making it up part of the comment,I worked at the coalface for 30 year’s and came from a time when not Fucking about was the norm loyalty and honesty a forgone conclusion…to this day I still don’t Fuck about and hopefully you will see me on the New Years honours list..

300880 ▶▶▶▶ Sam Vimes, replying to Bruce Reynolds, 13, #440 of 1822 🔗

I see your credentials are fully in order, and aplaud your not fucking aboutness; forgive my impertinence… Sir Bruce.

300822 ▶▶ arfurmo, replying to Bruce Reynolds, 11, #441 of 1822 🔗

I would have thought that every bus company knew about the exemptions by now . Rogue driver?

300864 ▶▶▶ Bruce Reynolds, replying to arfurmo, 23, #442 of 1822 🔗

I have had a run in with this particular driver more than once, the cocky type with attitude he needed to be kicked of his perch.

300928 ▶▶▶▶ PatrickF, replying to Bruce Reynolds, 14, #443 of 1822 🔗

Throw in “you’ve just committed a hate crime, which the Police are obliged to investigate” and watch the trousers get dirty.

300879 ▶▶▶ MiriamW-sometimes-AlanG, replying to arfurmo, 14, #444 of 1822 🔗

There’s allegedly a rogue one on our local buses. He was witnessed refusing travel to a very elderly bloke with an exemption card which he called a fake. MW

300883 ▶▶▶▶ Sam Vimes, replying to MiriamW-sometimes-AlanG, 16, #445 of 1822 🔗

If he knows it’s fake, he must surely have checked the guidance – except that very same guidance says that ‘a home made sign’ is acceptable, indeed anything is acceptible, because NOTHING IS FUCKING NECESSARY! Ahem.

301349 ▶▶▶▶▶ MiriamW-sometimes-AlanG, replying to Sam Vimes, 4, #446 of 1822 🔗

Absolutely right! If it’s the same driver, he was announcing to anyone who’d listen before the mask mandate came in that he wouldn’t let anyone on ‘his’ bus without one. I suspect he has been reported for the above incident but we rarely use buses now and we fortunately haven’t come across him so far. MW

301564 ▶▶▶▶ Rowan, replying to MiriamW-sometimes-AlanG, 1, #447 of 1822 🔗

Then the pensioner should have walked forward and taken a seat on the bus.

301561 ▶▶▶ Rowan, replying to arfurmo, 2, #448 of 1822 🔗

Rogue bus company?

300867 ▶▶ Percy Pig, replying to Bruce Reynolds, 4, #449 of 1822 🔗

‘hit backout mode’?

What does that mean?

301006 ▶▶▶ Alethea, replying to Percy Pig, 19, #450 of 1822 🔗

oh we learned about this last week. If bullied to wear a mask, despite his asserting his exemption, Bruce stages a loss of consciousness with dramatic public effects. It’s a great national service, a form of dynamic political theatre. One day, if I am very lucky indeed, I will be present at one of Bruce’s performances.

301061 ▶▶▶▶ Bruce Reynolds, replying to Alethea, 13, #451 of 1822 🔗

Thank you for enlightening our fellow skeptics ,I certainly encourage a more hands on approach to dealing with those who attempt to force others to wear a muzzle, action speak louder then words..

301749 ▶▶▶▶ watashi, replying to Alethea, 2, #452 of 1822 🔗

I wanna be there too!

301064 ▶▶▶ Bruce Reynolds, replying to Percy Pig, 8, #453 of 1822 🔗

BLACKOUT

301568 ▶▶▶ Rowan, replying to Percy Pig, 3, #454 of 1822 🔗

Pretend to go unconscious or be asleep.

301010 ▶▶ Alethea, replying to Bruce Reynolds, 10, #455 of 1822 🔗

Magnificent.

301019 ▶▶ Crystal Decanter, replying to Bruce Reynolds, 10, #456 of 1822 🔗

I plan on doing this if I am forced to muzzle. it works a treat

301075 ▶▶▶ Bruce Reynolds, replying to Crystal Decanter, 8, #457 of 1822 🔗

Only way to get the point across ….

300790 Jay Berger, replying to Jay Berger, 21, #458 of 1822 🔗

On/Off aka Tiers aka Hammer&Dance was always destined to be a disaster.
Either you go for zero Covid early, through a short lockdown with border closures, thorough contact tracing then and monitored quarantining of everyone coming in for good (see SPRS, which poses a whole set of other, Sentinelese, problems, of course) or you let it happen with some mitigation (no mass events inside) and protecting and above all assisting the vulnerable (like Mayor Boris Palmer, Tübingen did and does).
Once you missed out on the first option, the virus has become endemic and all you can do by trying to suppress it is untold damage, multiples more severe than what the virus could ever have accomplished.
I and many others already said this in effing March.
So, thanks for nothing virologists, epidimiologists, SAGE, governments, oppositions, civil servants, MSM etc..
Mor*ns.

300793 ▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to Jay Berger, 4, #459 of 1822 🔗

Yep. All so painfully obvious really.

300859 ▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Jay Berger, 4, #460 of 1822 🔗

It’s rather like when local authorities put in a new road scheme and all experienced drivers know what inevitable negative consequences will arise.
5-10 years later (when those responsible have left post) they declare that they didn’t know what would happen and change it all around again.

300791 Censored Dog, replying to Censored Dog, 1, #461 of 1822 🔗

__

300825 ▶▶ Sam Vimes, replying to Censored Dog, 2, #462 of 1822 🔗

Finest education system in the world. Right up there with Test and Trace, Titanic etc.

300798 Jay Berger, replying to Jay Berger, 7, #463 of 1822 🔗

Poor restaurant owners.
In Germany, they are raking it in during the second lockdown, as they get 75% of last years revenue, without half their costs.
And that aid even goes to McDonalds&co.

But it’s much more important that British civil servants have no cuts.
Oh wait, they even got a raise!
(Smaller than that of German ones though…)

Me thinks, pitchfork time should be close at hand.
Everywhere but Sweden.

300809 ▶▶ Voz 0db, replying to Jay Berger, 6, #464 of 1822 🔗

It seems that Sweden is starting to OBEY the ORDERS of the SRF & Billionaires also…

There can’t be any stray Cattle!

300815 ▶▶▶ Crystal Decanter, replying to Voz 0db, 6, #465 of 1822 🔗

I have friends in Goteborg and they swear it is Lockdown in name only. Very few are wearing masks or amending their behaviours in any way

300850 ▶▶▶▶ Voz 0db, replying to Crystal Decanter, 1, #466 of 1822 🔗

Yes, that’s is true. But I’m talking about the pressure being done at the jesters level.

300799 Banjones, replying to Banjones, 7, #467 of 1822 🔗

That Government ”public service” (ha ha) announcement that appears on our TV screens now – the one with green ectoplasm issuing forth from people’s mouths – seeks to remind us that IT is EXTREMELY contagious and that IT can be spread even by those showing no symptoms!

I’m not the only one half watching in our place (not much of interest), so I can’t switch off/over without a palaver. That I haven’t put my foot through the screen yet just shows what self control I have. I surprise myself sometimes.

300800 ▶▶ IanE, replying to Banjones, 3, #468 of 1822 🔗

Quite – where is Monty Python when one needs him?!

300808 ▶▶ bluemoon, replying to Banjones, 8, #469 of 1822 🔗

I complained to the Advertising Standards Authority this morning about that vile ad!

300802 Censored Dog, replying to Censored Dog, 36, #470 of 1822 🔗

Morning all!

I’m a sixth former in my last week of school before Xmas and it’s like a ghost town!

Only one lesson I have today actually has a teacher as the rest of the teachers are isolating. And in the lesson that actually has a teacher, 80% of the class are isolating.

When a teacher isn’t present, the lesson is basically cancelled so the rest of my day is basically a free period and I have no work to do.

I don’t know why I bother coming in now!

300823 ▶▶ Crystal Decanter, replying to Censored Dog, 23, #471 of 1822 🔗

Don’t go to Uni for heavens sake
Learn a trade rather than that woke garbage

300846 ▶▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Crystal Decanter, 7, #472 of 1822 🔗

Crying out for roof thatchers in the southwest.

300861 ▶▶▶▶ Mr Dee, replying to karenovirus, 3, #473 of 1822 🔗

I’d actually love to do that…

300881 ▶▶▶▶ Old Bill, replying to karenovirus, 10, #474 of 1822 🔗

Never thought I would be the one saying this, but they are crying out for Margaret Thatcher’s all over the country.

300931 ▶▶▶▶▶ Crystal Decanter, replying to Old Bill, 4, #475 of 1822 🔗

She would have taken her orders eventually. Probably would have been a bit more stoic about it all

300873 ▶▶ Julian, replying to Censored Dog, 6, #476 of 1822 🔗

To see your mates?

You have my sympathy – glad my kids have finished school and uni.

As others have said – don’t go to Uni, or take a gap year or two, or go to a uni that is properly open (if one exists)

At least schools have sort of remained open and I love to see gaggles of kids in town mixing and not distancing

300874 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to Censored Dog, 10, #477 of 1822 🔗

Good to hear from someone at the coal face. A few questions :

1) Masks at your school? What’s the general attitude to them?

2) Much propaganda? Are you reminded often that you risk killing a granny if you speak sans mask to a friend?

3) Do any teachers show signs of scepticism through all of this crap? Or are they goose stepped into full compliance?

301106 ▶▶▶ Censored Dog, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 6, #478 of 1822 🔗

1) Full on face masks all the time except for classrooms. Everyone obeys in fear of getting shouted at for not wearing it

2) Not that extreme but a few teachers sometimes passive-aggressively reminds students as a collective that ‘We’re still in a pandemic’

3) Mostly the latter. Our school was mask free on the first 2 weeks in September, but then fully surrendered to the mask brigade. Teachers mostly wore visors at first but as time went on, more masked up. Pretty grim overall (Although most of the teachers have stopped forcing students to wipe down desks)

300942 ▶▶ mhcp, replying to Censored Dog, 5, #479 of 1822 🔗

If you are doing science at all, you might want to write a special essay about how the school believed in voodoo science rather than real science. And that the teachers probably are not aware of the contradiction

301112 ▶▶▶ Censored Dog, replying to mhcp, 10, #480 of 1822 🔗

I don’t do any sciences but I do Government and Politics, where I always make an explicit point in my essays that Classical Liberals would be against any sort of lockdown.

300964 ▶▶ Ben, replying to Censored Dog, 7, #481 of 1822 🔗

We’re living in WW3 – an economic, political, ideological war

Millions of healthy people being tested and declared unwell is the conspiracy

300817 Bella Donna, replying to Bella Donna, 5, #482 of 1822 🔗

The maggot in the apple are the unreliable Covid tests and this is what should be targeted. WTF aren’t the government doing something about them?

300835 ▶▶ Banjones, replying to Bella Donna, 9, #483 of 1822 🔗

Obviously it’s a useful tool for keeping terrified the already Terminally Terrified. All those lovely ”cases”!

300841 ▶▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Banjones, 1, #484 of 1822 🔗

I’m promoted to Perpetualy Petrified

300840 ▶▶ stefarm, replying to Bella Donna, 1, #485 of 1822 🔗

£££££££££

300870 ▶▶ Julian, replying to Bella Donna, 6, #486 of 1822 🔗

The government have no interest in making tests more reliable or meaningful or useful because it doesn’t serve their narrative

Nothing they have done since Day 1 has been related to any sincere attempt to protect public health in the round, it has been purely political – how can we get through this period without looking bad?

300960 ▶▶▶ Ben, replying to Julian, #487 of 1822 🔗

Exactly!!

300956 ▶▶ Ben, replying to Bella Donna, 4, #488 of 1822 🔗

I would go further and say that the maggot in the apple is testing people for cold and flu symptoms and destroying the economy and civil liberties in response. Stay home with some Lemsips and get bed rest used to be the protocol

300820 swedenborg, replying to swedenborg, 4, #489 of 1822 🔗

Interesting to see how MSM is going to handle this new article.What they are saying is that C19 virus could be integrated in the DNA and then replicate the virus.If this was true it would have shocking consequences. The anti vaxxers would have a field day with dangers of vaccination. So MSM would like to suppress it but on the same time this article could press for zero Covid 19 for us all as natural infection could also alter our DNA and produce the virus the whole time.
But this study could be a total fake and be the result of contamination. Giving another twitter thread saying this study is bogus.
https://www.biorxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.12.12.422516v1

SARS-CoV-2 RNA reverse-transcribed and integrated into the human genome

“To experimentally corroborate the possibility of viral retro-integration, we describe evidence that SARS-CoV-2 RNAs can be reverse transcribed in human cells by reverse transcriptase (RT) from LINE-1 elements or by HIV-1 RT, and that these DNA sequences can be integrated into the cell genome and subsequently be transcribed.

“This novel feature of SARS-CoV-2 infection may explain why patients can continue to produce viral RNA after recovery and suggests a new aspect of RNA virus replication. The contra attack
https://twitter.com/halvorz/status/1338251041121447940

300844 ▶▶ Voz 0db, replying to swedenborg, 2, #490 of 1822 🔗

This is the updated version of the XX Century FRAUD & SCAM “HTLV-III/LAV / GRID” (later labelled “HIV” / AIDS due to gay sensitivity issues)…

Anyone that has been following that fraud can see the same blueprint being used.

I don’t see they addressing that one, anytime soon. For now the MAIN GOAL is jabs and electronic passport and “Life Passport”.

300858 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to swedenborg, #491 of 1822 🔗

If it can be used to ramp up the fear, Devri Sindhar will soon retweet, otherwise its an anomoly and our helpful fact checkers will be along shortly to stop anyone spreading misinformation on this.

300872 ▶▶ Will, replying to swedenborg, #492 of 1822 🔗

Excuse my stupidity, but I don’t really understand the problem Swedenborg.

300901 ▶▶▶ Voz 0db, replying to Will, #493 of 1822 🔗

It’s not even a problem… If you want read this one I wrote somewhere down below!

In short… It’s just NATURE!

301269 ▶▶▶ swedenborg, replying to Will, #494 of 1822 🔗

What they are saying is that this RNA virus SarsCov2 would use something similar to HIV a reversed transcriptase and have the virus incorporated into the DNA of the cell and then later producing at anytime the RNA virus again .The risk of a perpetual produced virus. This would mean that natural infection could lead to latent infection and almost impossible to eradicate virus. Antivaxxer would claim that the vaccine could do the same thing or at least being incorporated into the DNA. Many are saying that this study is a result of contamination not reality. This paper has not been peer reviewed and interesting what MSM is going to do with this study, most likely bury it as we now have the vaccine. On the other hand the zero covid fanatics could use the study for their aims.

300821 Now More Than Ever, replying to Now More Than Ever, 7, #495 of 1822 🔗

Yuck!
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/stories-55280321

Apologies if this has already been posted.

It’s all our fault, we selfish, uncaring murderers.

I take great delight, and no little hope, from the fact that she reveals that about 70% of her calls go unanswered.

She also unwittingly poses a great question: “I’d like to know why an individual goes to the trouble and discomfort of getting tested, if they are not going to engage with the follow up?”

300830 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to Now More Than Ever, 4, #496 of 1822 🔗

They may want to take the time to answer their own questions

300882 ▶▶ muzzle, replying to Now More Than Ever, 5, #497 of 1822 🔗

That’s so BBC. They even managed to find a tracer who’s also a nurse and also has a husband who has sacrificed his business. Good to hear people aren’t engaging though. Made my day.

300888 ▶▶ Stringfellow Hawke, replying to Now More Than Ever, 5, #498 of 1822 🔗

“I’d like to know why an individual goes to the trouble and discomfort of getting tested, if they are not going to engage with the follow up?” so they can post online how brilliant they are about going for their 142nd test? [selfie outside the testing centre]

300966 ▶▶ Muzz Off, replying to Now More Than Ever, 1, #499 of 1822 🔗

There has been an increase in the last few years in these painfully on-message and emotionally loaded propaganda pieces by the BBC, all sporting the same childish illustrations. They cover many issues not just the pandemic. And they all happen to use ‘anonymous’ sources. I’m starting to wonder if they aren’t completely fabricated. They certainly read like they are. Every line drips of pushing a narrative and not telling an actual person’s actual story.

300827 alw, replying to alw, 5, #500 of 1822 🔗

Just listened to Talk Radio, Mike Graham interviewing Dr Laurence Gerlis about the new Test and Release which starts on Wednesday. A complete balls up by the reconstituted PHE…no surprises. People are just going to ignore. Dr Gerlis another voice saying London shouldn’t be going into Tier 3. From approx 10.35 am on Talk Radio, You Tube. Well worth the watch.

300836 ▶▶ Banjones, replying to alw, 17, #501 of 1822 🔗

I wish none of them would waste their breath wittering on about in which ‘tier’ any
place should be. They should be arguing for a complete lifting of ANY lockdown anywhere now that it’s been shown that NO hospitals are overwhelmed, nor likely to be.
Flu figures were added to covid figures but still didn’t give the satisfyingly scary numbers that were obviously hoped for, and just showed that hospitals could cope with the usual seasonal numbers.

300893 ▶▶ Ben, replying to alw, 10, #502 of 1822 🔗

It’s not a ‘balls up’. Just as PHE’s over-count of Covid deaths was not a balls up. Matt Hancock’s urgent review into that incident never happened

Why are people so desperate to delude themselves with the idea that all of this nightmare is incompetence? It’s happening around the world

300919 ▶▶▶ Jonathan Palmer, replying to Ben, 6, #503 of 1822 🔗

Because the reality is terrifying.Good old Government incompetence is a comfort blanket.

300936 ▶▶ mhcp, replying to alw, 3, #504 of 1822 🔗

Gerlis is a bit of a wet though. He’s saying stay away from packed bars and clubs. How about he can go fuck and those who wish to live life and take risks will do so. Didn’t stop them partying like it’s 1999 in Wuhan recently.

300838 Crystal Decanter, replying to Crystal Decanter, #505 of 1822 🔗

I saw a clip on Bitchute from an Israeli Doctor claiming that the swab tests (the ones they stick right up into your skull) are already vaccinating people.
Can’t post the link at the moment but would be interested to know if she is talking bollox or not

300862 ▶▶ calchas, replying to Crystal Decanter, 4, #506 of 1822 🔗

Please post the link when you can.

I will look at it.

300842 James Marker, replying to James Marker, 17, #507 of 1822 🔗

Public health officials are waging a concerted campaign to tighten restrictions ahead of the tier review on Wednesday. The ostensible motive behind this campaign is fear that the NHS will be overwhelmed in January/February. What these officials don’t say is that the problem with the NHS is not bed capacity but staff absenteeism, with many perfectly well doctors and nurses currently self-isolating. There is also a “convergence of opportunity” aspect to this. There is no doubt in my mind that some of these officials are politically motivated to crash the economy. It seems the cabinet is not astute enough to realise this, though many Conservative MPs clearly know what is going on.

300866 ▶▶ Julian, replying to James Marker, 6, #508 of 1822 🔗

There is no doubt in my mind that some of these officials are politically motivated to crash the economy”

Not sure about that but they are motivated to make sure no-one forgets how important the NHS is. It’s a naked power grab – they are seizing their opportunity with both hands.

300890 ▶▶ Ben, replying to James Marker, 5, #509 of 1822 🔗

They’re not public health officials. They’re fascists

300935 ▶▶ Banjones, replying to James Marker, 1, #510 of 1822 🔗

Of course they realise it. I agree that not many are what normal people would call ”astute” – but realise it, they most certainly do.

I keep writing to my MP – not with any hope that it’ll make a difference but just that it may annoy her. I always mention ”causing us ruin and devastation” – but I always point out that the ”us” doesn’t, obviously, include her.

300848 arfurmo, replying to arfurmo, 11, #511 of 1822 🔗

Citizen Khan calling for outdoor face nappies again https://www.thetimes.co.uk/edition/news/coronavirus-call-to-wear-masks-on-the-street-and-send-pupils-home-mwtvnpj3b (paywall) but you get for free “the London mayor has called for pupils to be sent home to stop the spread of the virus and for masks to be compulsory in high streets.” And whatever Khan and Sturgeon wants, Boris bends over to give.

300865 ▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to arfurmo, 1, #512 of 1822 🔗

Step too far perhaps?

300869 ▶▶ Darryl, replying to arfurmo, 8, #513 of 1822 🔗

Khan seems to look at Cuomo and Di Biasio chronic misrule in New York with envy. How to bankrupt more businesses and landlords so the well connected political elite can purchase what remains at rock bottom prices.

300889 ▶▶ Ben, replying to arfurmo, 8, #514 of 1822 🔗

This constitutes an attack on my physical and emotional health. I cannot breathe with face masks. Does this fascist actually want me to pass out?

300929 ▶▶ Steve Martindale, replying to arfurmo, 9, #515 of 1822 🔗

This mask business is very strange, I am not aware of any evidence on the usefulness of face-masks outdoors. When I was working we had to use masks to keep dust out, it was surprisingly difficult to do this, simple logic would indicate that any sort of barrier should help, but not necessarily so. If you really wanted to be dust free you needed a full helmet and powered ventilation/filtration system. The better technique was to improve the dust extraction on the process itself so the air was not dusty in the first place.
People have this, not unreasonable, instinct that a barrier must surely help? But it is quite wrong of our politicians to go along with this ‘folk lore’ science and use it as the basis for imposing face-masks. All health interventions come at a price and interfere with our natural biology and should only be done where the balance of risk is overwhelming, I am unaware of any studies that show that wearing a ‘domestic’ face mask meets that criteria.

P.S. Since we decided to give it a push, the anti face mask petition has jumped by nearly 100 to 3803, still a long way to go but progress nonetheless.

300933 ▶▶▶ Steve Martindale, replying to Steve Martindale, 1, #516 of 1822 🔗
300944 ▶▶▶▶ Crystal Decanter, replying to Steve Martindale, 3, #517 of 1822 🔗

Petitions are meaningless unless backed up by pitchforks

300983 ▶▶ Bella Donna, replying to arfurmo, 1, #518 of 1822 🔗

Somehow we have to rid London of Khan, by whatever means possible. He’s been a disaster!

300852 kh1485, replying to kh1485, 15, #519 of 1822 🔗

Bloody hell, just seen someone with a Royal Navy branded face mask … groan.

300863 ▶▶ Wolver, replying to kh1485, 4, #520 of 1822 🔗

I wonder how much tax payer money has been wasted on those silly things.

300868 ▶▶▶ kh1485, replying to Wolver, 8, #521 of 1822 🔗

Exactly. Same person just said this would all be over by the spring “when everyone has had the vaccine”. You can imagine the snort of derision that that comment elicited.

300967 ▶▶▶▶ Paul, replying to kh1485, 2, #522 of 1822 🔗

I’ve heard that recently too,do these morons realise we’ve only just started winter and spring is a long,long way off ?.

300878 ▶▶ Old Bill, replying to kh1485, 5, #523 of 1822 🔗

Do they work against Exocets?

300887 ▶▶▶ Be Unshakeable, replying to Old Bill, 6, #524 of 1822 🔗

Probably not. But at least the Royal Navy no longer have aluminium warships that burn when you get them hot enough.

These days they have destroyers that break down in warm water and a diesel powered carrier built specifically for the overpriced and largely useless F-35 instead.

300962 ▶▶▶▶ Paul, replying to Be Unshakeable, 2, #525 of 1822 🔗

I heard the only thing we could muster to shadow a Russian warship in the Channel recently was a minesweeper.

300998 ▶▶▶▶ Old Bill, replying to Be Unshakeable, 2, #526 of 1822 🔗

a diesel powered carrier

Probably runs on bio-diesel so the injectors will clog up within a couple of hundred hours running time.

300875 Cheezilla, replying to Cheezilla, 73, #527 of 1822 🔗

Wetherspoons is putting a 23 page newsletter taking on Covid myths on every table in every pub from today, including article by ⁦Mike Yeadon

300884 ▶▶ Ben, replying to Cheezilla, 25, #528 of 1822 🔗

There is some hope for the human race after all

I’ve never known so much human stupidity in all my life.. Millions of healthy people are being tested and declared unwell and no one’s asking why?

300900 ▶▶▶ Fingerache Philip., replying to Ben, 10, #529 of 1822 🔗

Years of reality and daytime television perhaps?

300959 ▶▶▶ watashi, replying to Ben, 5, #530 of 1822 🔗

It beggars belief doesn t it. Some nights I feel sure I ll awaken to find it`s all been a very bad dream. Human stupidity has reigned supreme. why are they not asking why?

300963 ▶▶▶ Banjones, replying to Ben, 10, #531 of 1822 🔗

Confirmed by the government’s ”public service” ad on TV – telling us that even people without symptoms can spread the virus. (Reinforced by green ectoplasm issuing from their orifices. Perhaps they should show it escaping through their muzzles too…..)

300891 ▶▶ Wolver, replying to Cheezilla, 2, #532 of 1822 🔗

Good for them! Hope their ready for the media and twater backlash.

300904 ▶▶ Mr Dee, replying to Cheezilla, 4, #533 of 1822 🔗

Excellent, I’ll pop over and give it a read in my local Spoons.

Shit, I can’t. I’m in Wales.

300945 ▶▶ PoshPanic, replying to Cheezilla, 3, #534 of 1822 🔗

I’ll vote for them with my wallet.

300885 Chloe, replying to Chloe, 27, #535 of 1822 🔗

I really can’t see an end to all of this. It’s almost been a year and it feels like we are no closer to getting back to any sense of normality. Goal posts just keep moving further and further away. Is this really life now? Bouncing between pointless tier systems forever more?

300892 ▶▶ calchas, replying to Chloe, 22, #536 of 1822 🔗

Two things:

  1. A large number of people still think that a vaccine will bring an end to to it -it won’t. That realization in several months will likely spark a change in attitude.

2, The limit on individual madness is economic resources. An individual
whose view of the world is no longer congruent with reality, will starve
to death when his resources are exhausted.

The same is true of societies. Economic/financial collapse is what will end this in my view.

300911 ▶▶▶ Jonathan Palmer, replying to calchas, 10, #537 of 1822 🔗

I thought that but what if economic collapse is the goal so they can build back better.Nothing else explains the insane restrictions at the moment.

300894 ▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to Chloe, 6, #538 of 1822 🔗

No it isn’t. It’s giving way now.

300895 ▶▶ Be Unshakeable, replying to Chloe, 10, #539 of 1822 🔗

No, the economy is rapidly heading over a cliff so this will only last for as long as the government are able to pay the Police their wages.

300896 ▶▶ Crystal Decanter, replying to Chloe, 5, #540 of 1822 🔗

The economy will collapse. The only question is whether it will be sudden or a slow collapse

300908 ▶▶▶ calchas, replying to Crystal Decanter, 5, #541 of 1822 🔗

Slow, and then sudden.

We are in the slow part now.

300914 ▶▶▶▶ Crystal Decanter, replying to calchas, 2, #542 of 1822 🔗

Full Argentina or Venezuela?

300916 ▶▶▶▶▶ Be Unshakeable, replying to Crystal Decanter, 5, #543 of 1822 🔗

Thunderdome

300939 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Crystal Decanter, replying to Be Unshakeable, 3, #544 of 1822 🔗

Will be eating our pets in no time

300955 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Paul, replying to Be Unshakeable, 2, #545 of 1822 🔗

Two men enter,one man leaves.

300899 ▶▶ Ewan Duffy, replying to Chloe, #546 of 1822 🔗

The Irish Taoiseach is saying May/June 2021 before any return to normality and is threatening further lockdowns in January.

https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/you-could-well-be-looking-at-january-restrictions-taoiseachs-warning-as-he-eyes-may-or-june-for-country-to-completely-reopen-39859583.html

300985 ▶▶ Bella Donna, replying to Chloe, 3, #547 of 1822 🔗

It was never their intention to let go of power, all those silly people rushing to have the vaccine will soon discover it was all in vain.

301000 ▶▶▶ Mike, replying to Bella Donna, 2, #548 of 1822 🔗

Not until after they have forced the rest of us to get it in order to placate the sheeple who rushed to get it in the first place. Restrictions after you’ve voluntarily had the vaccine will be blamed on those of us who would sooner not get it, soon to be dirty second class citizens.

300898 RickH, replying to RickH, 17, #549 of 1822 🔗

After reading the items about how terrible things are in London – based on the totally discredited PCR+ figures, it was a relief to get to Guy de la Bedoyere’s sane analysis of the actuality. This site really must get back to injecting more scepticism in its reporting of the latest official testdemic hysteria.

Guy is absolutely right. But forget disentangling ‘Covid’ deaths – it simply can’t be done, such is the unholy mess made of the data.

So – as he’s done – just keep looking at the one datum that has credibility – all cause mortality.

At the risk of repetition, I’ve been tracking this since March in terms of the relationship to a population-adjusted baseline of the years 1993-2020.

The only exceptional event was that April spike. All has been within normal limits since then. During the summer, deaths were actually running at a notably low level. Some ‘epidemic’! In statistical terms it’s what’s known as ‘the bleedin’ obvious’.

Again – the 2019/20 season was only eighth in mortality over that period – and that includes the April spike. Since the summer, it’s running roughly at the median level.

After the absurd predictions from the Chuckle Brothers (4000 deaths a day in December etc.), I decided to make a tentative but sane forecast of ~12,500 deaths a week. The actuality in week 48 was 12,458.

… and these goons are still given credibility?

300909 ▶▶ Rosie, replying to RickH, 5, #550 of 1822 🔗

Plus all these figures do not take into account the inaccurate population figures. There’s reason to think we’ve over 100 million now – it certainly looks like getting on for double what we had several decades ago, it’s not an unreasonable figure.

300949 ▶▶▶ Muzz Off, replying to Rosie, #551 of 1822 🔗

Have you got any source for this 100m figure or is it pure speculation?

301011 ▶▶▶▶ Rosie, replying to Muzz Off, #552 of 1822 🔗

Careful observation by an intelligent person (me) is an estimate and not ‘pure speculation’
and yes there is some objective evidence but it was of course silenced. IIrc, this was roughly 12 years ago, supermarkets released data of stuff bought which equated to over 82 million people.

300987 ▶▶▶ RickH, replying to Rosie, #553 of 1822 🔗

I’m happy to stick with ONS data. It provides a continuous baseline, and in proportionate terms gives a realistic adjustment to the raw data.

As to actual population being ~45 – 50% higher – I doubt it.

301014 ▶▶▶▶ Rosie, replying to RickH, 1, #554 of 1822 🔗

That ONS figure isn’t credible because (a) none of their figures are reliable, (b) look around you, (c) the clamping down on debate, it’s not PC to even raise the topic.

301141 ▶▶ DRW, replying to RickH, #555 of 1822 🔗

That April “spike” was probably amplified by the hospital clearout.

300902 Rosie, replying to Rosie, 9, #556 of 1822 🔗

Here’s a worrying experience:just how quickly do those masks damage the brain and cause dementia?

Yesterday dh visited the allotment site in order to sign new agreements and hand in check. The allotment committee are mask wearing politically correct zealots. Dh came back exclaiming about how dull (= boring and tedious, lacking any emotional response) they all were, but also how stupid, were they all in pre-senile dementia? The treasurer forgetting to take the cheque, and his chaotic-looking tables of figures.

Anyone else got similar experiences?

300912 ▶▶ Mr Dee, replying to Rosie, 5, #557 of 1822 🔗

I read about this happening to people a few weeks ago. Grr… can’t remember where. I’ll try to rack my brains. It might also be the mental exhaustion of them following every single rule. I, on the other hand, am ruleless, free of woe and alert.

300918 ▶▶▶ Rosie, replying to Mr Dee, 4, #558 of 1822 🔗

Interesting, I’ve someone to pass this along to who’s doing an open letter on mask harms. Stress hormones are neurotoxins as well, of course.

300937 ▶▶▶▶ Mr Dee, replying to Rosie, 5, #559 of 1822 🔗

And the stress is exacerbated by the constant changing of the rules, of course. A strict rule follower just won’t be able to keep up, and will exhaust themselves trying to do so.

300953 ▶▶ Ed Phillips, replying to Rosie, 2, #560 of 1822 🔗

It sounds like stress.
I’ve never worn a mask but my job became very stressful a couple of months ago and I experienced a whole load of things I never have before.

300961 ▶▶▶ Rosie, replying to Ed Phillips, 1, #561 of 1822 🔗

Hmm, stress and masks together, the stress being continual, constant fear, constant rules changes, constant confusion.

300903 Mr Dee, replying to Mr Dee, 34, #562 of 1822 🔗

Can I just say, from my recent experience, it IS worth attempting to engage with your MP.

I recently asked my MP how he stood on today’s Parliamentary debate. He sent back what I discovered was a cut-and-paste template reply. Rather than let it lie, I politely asked him for his own opinion, saying I was not satisfied with his original ‘reply’. I got a rather terse response back, but used this to further engage him, and I’ve now got to the point where we’ve found common ground, and he’s opening up to me.

Indeed, out of the blue, he’s emailed me this morning to introduce me to a colleague of his on the Senedd, and I’ve forwarded them both evidence that the fear-mongering coming from the Welsh Government does not hold up to scrutiny when you look closely at the stats from NHS Wales etc.

It does take time and effort, and a lot of tact and diplomacy, but I think it’s worth it. I now feel like I’ve got people in power listening to me at last (and when I say ‘me’ I mean ‘us’ as much of the information I’m hoping to pass on to them derives from this website).

300905 ▶▶ Rosie, replying to Mr Dee, 3, #563 of 1822 🔗

Well done!
Please continue and good luck with that.
Follow through on any opening is good advice.

300910 ▶▶ Crystal Decanter, replying to Mr Dee, 3, #564 of 1822 🔗

I want Drakeford to ban alcohol so badly – just to be there when he is launched headfirst into the Taff by the Valley Commandos

301055 ▶▶ IanE, replying to Mr Dee, 1, #565 of 1822 🔗

With my MP one is much more likely to get threats!

301134 ▶▶ DRW, replying to Mr Dee, 2, #566 of 1822 🔗

Nice. Unfortunately mine’s always been useless and even more now he’s been bought off with a junior ministerial gig.

300913 Ewan Duffy, 20, #567 of 1822 🔗

Was talking to my sister yesterday (unfortunately she is a lockdown supporter, as are all my immediate family). She told me that during last week, she answered a knock at her door to find a man and child who started singing carols. When finished, the man openly stated that he was doing so to get money to buy the child a Christmas present.

This lockdown is causing all sorts of social regressions that will take a long time to undo.

300920 Nobody2020, replying to Nobody2020, 18, #568 of 1822 🔗

One of the criticisms about how people approach the issue of mental health is a “get over it” or “man up” (can we even say this now?) attitude.

Those who say these things are too dismissive and do not understand the issues surrounding mental health.

I don’t see much difference between saying “man up” and “the economy will recover, you can’t bring people back from the dead” or many of the other messages that have been used to get people to comply to all the restrictions imposed, e.g. “it’s only a mask”, “it’s only for 2 weeks”

So if you’ve lost your job, missed urgent medical treatment or have suffered in any way throughout all this…

Apparently you should just “man up”

300947 ▶▶ Paul, replying to Nobody2020, 9, #569 of 1822 🔗

Those that make such vacuous comments are of a sociopathic nature and possess no empathy whatsoever but when they are having a problem the whole world has to revolve around them.I have heard comments this year along the lines of ‘if a few businesses have to fail to save lives then that is okay’ from the same people that a year ago were bemoaning the lack of variety in the businesses in my town.

300925 Dan Clarke, replying to Dan Clarke, 1, #570 of 1822 🔗

The covid vax has really been weaponised. I remember from being at school and working in schools, how vaccinations for various reasons and for things which were’nt considered alarming enough to bring the country to a standstill, were given as a matter of course.

300927 Zak Thelotofem, replying to Zak Thelotofem, 8, #572 of 1822 🔗

Covid-19: Former PAHO chief attributes low Dominican lethality to ivermectin
Dr. Erasmo Vásquez insists that the use of ivermectin to stop the covid-19 disease caused by the new coronavirus should be generalized.

“The fact that in the Dominican Republic we have a fatality rate below 1.8% against covid-19, a daily positivity rate below 12%, a recovery rate above 82% and that the occupation of hospital beds for covid-19 it barely reached 20%, it has not been due to the actions put into effect by the national authorities but it is the result of the fact that the generality of doctors have included the use of ivermectin in their therapeutic plans,”

Based on clinical evidence, Ivermectin is the most effective treatment … for all phases of COVID-19.
“Ivermectin for COVID-19 is effective and has been given to us on a silver platter. It can completely change the history of this disease . Ivermectin is one of the safest medicines you can give a human being. It has been in use for 40 years and is on WHO’s list of essential medications. We are facing a crisis. It is unethical to wait for more clinical trials, giving placebo to some patients who are dying. With patient’s consent, it is a doctor’s absolute ethical duty to treat with Ivermectin.” Paul Marik, MD, Chief of Pulmonary and Critical Care Medicine, Eastern Virginia Medical School


WAKE UP UK

300943 ▶▶ Ben, replying to Zak Thelotofem, 2, #573 of 1822 🔗

I don’t want Ivermectin either

300954 ▶▶▶ Rosie, replying to Ben, #574 of 1822 🔗

It’s good treatment for people who are genuinely sick with this virus, and doctors are being denied the use of it.

300932 bluemoon, 20, #575 of 1822 🔗

John le Carre, speaking just over a year ago:
“Politicians love chaos. Don’t ever think otherwise. It gives them authority, and it gives them power. It gives them profile. The idea that they’ll fix it for you.”
R.I.P. Mr Cornwell.

300938 Rosie, replying to Rosie, 2, #576 of 1822 🔗

Has anyone got the original text of margareta griesz brisson’s warnings on facemasks, please? All I can find now are factchecker character assassinations

300970 ▶▶ watashi, replying to Rosie, 3, #577 of 1822 🔗

is this helpful?;
Dr. Margarite Griesz-Brisson MD, PhD is a Consultant Neurologist and Neurophysiologist with a PhD in Pharmacology, with special interest in neurotoxicology, environmental medicine, neuroregeneration and neuroplasticity.
Masks damage the brain
The re-breathing of our exhaled air will without a doubt create oxygen deficiency and a flooding of carbon dioxide.
We know that the human brain is very sensitive to oxygen deprivation.
There are nerve cells for example in the hippocampus, that can’t be longer than 3 minutes without oxygen. They cannot survive.
While you’re thinking that you have got used to wearing your mask and re-breathing your own exhaled air, the degenerative processes in your brain are getting amplified as your oxygen deprivation continues.
Especially in children
The child needs the brain to learn, and the brain needs oxygen to function.
The child’s brain, or the youth’s brain, is thirsting for oxygen. Their brain is also incredibly active, as it has so much to learn.
To deprive a child’s or an adolescent’s brain of oxygen, or to restrict it in any way, is not only dangerous to their health, it is absolutely criminal.
Irreversible damage
Oxygen deficiency inhibits the development of the brain, and the damage that has taken place as a result CANNOT be reversed.

300977 ▶▶▶ Rosie, replying to watashi, 1, #578 of 1822 🔗

thanks, not that I can send the email at present

301013 ▶▶▶ Neil Hartley, replying to watashi, -9, #579 of 1822 🔗

Wouldn’t this mean mass brain damage in Asian countries (who all routinely wear masks)?

301021 ▶▶▶▶ calchas, replying to Neil Hartley, 9, #580 of 1822 🔗

They do not routinely wear masks in Asian countries.

That is a myth, probably prumulgated in order to get us to accept them.

Sure, some wear them intermittently, but not routinely for long periods.

I have been in China often, including in January – flu season presumably – and hardly anyone was wearing a mask.

I am so sick of people repeating this bollox.

No offense intended.

301028 ▶▶▶▶▶ Rosie, replying to calchas, 3, #581 of 1822 🔗

thanks for the info

301066 ▶▶▶▶▶ Neil Hartley, replying to calchas, -8, #582 of 1822 🔗

It’s not bollocks. The Japanese wear masks routinely which I saw in my first visit there in 1988. a) they have a cultural issue about showing their teeth (women mainly I believe), b) it’s embarrassing to be seen eating in public, c) so as not to share germs. Sorry that doesn’t fit your world view but The Spectator did an excellent piece on this a month or so back.

301077 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ calchas, replying to Neil Hartley, 7, #583 of 1822 🔗

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4MuQl90UdZw

Walking around in Osaka 2015

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZgWEexWyfwA

winter walk Tokyo – scattered mask-wearing.

Conclusion – East Asians routinely wear masks = bollox.

301022 ▶▶▶▶ Rosie, replying to Neil Hartley, 3, #584 of 1822 🔗

The videos I’ve seen wear them very loosely, but yes, what we could be looking at is mass worldwide brain damage and a torrent of early dementia. That’s part of why they are soooo bad. ‘Everyone’ doing something does not turn bad into good.

301026 ▶▶▶▶▶ calchas, replying to Rosie, #585 of 1822 🔗

Please see my answer to Neil.

301165 ▶▶ Victoria, replying to Rosie, 1, #587 of 1822 🔗
300941 nickbowes, replying to nickbowes, 1, #588 of 1822 🔗

Sorry if this has already been posted, made me giggle anyway:-

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/stories-55280321

300965 ▶▶ arfurmo, replying to nickbowes, 5, #589 of 1822 🔗

“I would say 70% of calls I have made go unanswered. It shocks and angers me that so many people just don’t care.” Shocking that people would not to be imprisoned for 14 days. The article also refers to have tested positive but I thought that I lot of the calls would concern someone being in a pub (for those in tier 3, it is a place where you went to buy and consume alcohol , for those in tier 2, it is a place where you are allowed to buy and consume alcohol provided you eat something and must leave when the final crumbs have been consumed, for those in tier 1, it is place where you can consume alcohol with family on even number days and with friends on odd numbered days -I think)at the same time as someone sitting in the far corner who has tested positive (perhaps falsely) with visit overlap being 2 minutes.

301002 ▶▶ Andy C, replying to nickbowes, 3, #590 of 1822 🔗

My best friend from school ended up working as a double-glazing salesman for a time. I sent him a link to the article. “Welcome to my world” was the response.

301023 ▶▶ DavidC, replying to nickbowes, 1, #591 of 1822 🔗

“The author, who contacted Simon Maybin from More or Less on BBC Radio 4 with this story, wishes to remain anonymous”.

I’ll bet. No indication that the details were provided though.

DavidC

300948 PatrickF, replying to PatrickF, 5, #592 of 1822 🔗

A pity John le Carre has passed away. What a book he could have written about the Covid ‘pandemic’.
The Virus that came in from the Cold.

300989 ▶▶ mhcp, replying to PatrickF, #593 of 1822 🔗

His book Agent Running in the Field is good. The characters dismiss Brexit and Trump but there’s a lovely twist to it all in the end.

301035 ▶▶▶ mjr, replying to mhcp, 4, #594 of 1822 🔗

and dont forget his novel all about teachers on lockdown … “The Constant Gardener”

300950 chaos, replying to chaos, 2, #595 of 1822 🔗

is gmail down?

300957 ▶▶ Wolver, replying to chaos, 4, #596 of 1822 🔗

yea I can’t get on either, same with youtube

300968 ▶▶▶ Banjones, replying to Wolver, 1, #597 of 1822 🔗

I hope it’s not the thin end of the wedge…..

300969 ▶▶▶ Tangelo, replying to Wolver, 4, #598 of 1822 🔗

It appears to be down Worldwide. This is very ominous.

300978 ▶▶▶▶ Ewan Duffy, replying to Tangelo, 5, #599 of 1822 🔗

Would you not consider the source of all mis-information about COVID19 going down to be advantageous 😉

300996 ▶▶▶▶ Sarigan, replying to Tangelo, 1, #600 of 1822 🔗

Seems to be a coordinated attack. News just saying could be 911 of hacking.

301108 ▶▶▶▶▶ George L, replying to Sarigan, #601 of 1822 🔗

I do hope so.. ha ha 😉

300973 ▶▶▶ Jonathan Palmer, replying to Wolver, 2, #602 of 1822 🔗

Daughters lesson on google had crashed too

300974 ▶▶▶ Rosie, replying to Wolver, 3, #603 of 1822 🔗

Same here. It’s all so worrying, the threats to clean up everything on youtube starting on 20 December. We need to download.

300991 ▶▶▶▶ Jonathan Palmer, replying to Rosie, 1, #604 of 1822 🔗

Klaus Schwab was warning of cyber attacks a couple of weeks ago.

301109 ▶▶▶▶▶ George L, replying to Jonathan Palmer, 2, #605 of 1822 🔗

Yeah.. good old Klaus.. his heart’s in the right place.. ;-0

300979 ▶▶▶ Paul, replying to Wolver, 2, #606 of 1822 🔗

I’ve been having problems with Youtube all weekend and overall my internet connection has slowed down considerably.

301017 ▶▶▶ Darryl, replying to Wolver, #607 of 1822 🔗

YouTube deserves to be down after months of censorship and propaganda. Sooner content providers start uploading to an alternative the better.

300988 ▶▶ Tom Blackburn, replying to chaos, #608 of 1822 🔗

Just received my FOI response from the Vaccine Damage Court too (which I now can’t open)

300999 ▶▶ Bella Donna, replying to chaos, #609 of 1822 🔗

Yes I’ve seen a couple of tweets claiming Google stuff is having a problem. YouTube, Gmail etc

301004 ▶▶ leggy, replying to chaos, 1, #610 of 1822 🔗

Gmail and youtube both working fine for me?

301018 ▶▶▶ Jonathan Palmer, replying to leggy, #611 of 1822 🔗

Back on

301050 ▶▶▶ mjr, replying to leggy, #612 of 1822 🔗

and ok for me

301015 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to chaos, #613 of 1822 🔗

I work for a multi national that uses Google for everything. It’s been issued a major IT incident. Think its linked to anything that uses the sign in aspects to Google apps.

301036 ▶▶ Major Panic, replying to chaos, 2, #614 of 1822 🔗

I hope the hackers don’t get all my CCP membership correspondence…..

301113 ▶▶▶ George L, replying to Major Panic, 2, #615 of 1822 🔗

To late its in my possession.. an early morning call for you citizen Panic!

301044 ▶▶ T. Prince, replying to chaos, #616 of 1822 🔗

Yep

300951 PatrickF, replying to PatrickF, 9, #617 of 1822 🔗

Sadiq Khan on Sky. Couldn’t hear a word, as he was wearing a muzzle that looks like my tea cosy.

300975 ▶▶ stefarm, replying to PatrickF, 9, #618 of 1822 🔗

A nice way to enable him to talk bollocks, the mask hides everything

301009 ▶▶▶ DavidC, replying to stefarm, 8, #619 of 1822 🔗

He doesn’t need a mask to enable him to talk bollocks! It’s all he ever does! He’s a weasel.

DavidC

301053 ▶▶▶ mjr, replying to stefarm, 1, #620 of 1822 🔗

you think he talks out of his mouth?

301040 ▶▶ IanE, replying to PatrickF, #621 of 1822 🔗

Well he is a tea-leaf!

301104 ▶▶ George L, replying to PatrickF, 3, #622 of 1822 🔗

There are ‘tossers’ and then there’s Sadiq Khan .. there are no words!

300972 Margaret, replying to Margaret, 31, #623 of 1822 🔗

I have just been to drop off Christmas presents to two very elderly friends whom I haven’t been able to see since last Christmas.

The first one is 97 and still lives in her own bungalow. She was having her hair done by the mobile hairdresser who comes every week. My friend was maskless as was I, but the hairdresser was wearing one. She called me in to see her and we had a brief chat. Amazing really as we didn’t even cross the threshold last Christmas as she was suffering from a really nasty bout of flu and to be honest, I didn’t think she’d see another Christmas.

The second friend is 90. She also lives in her own house with the help of carers and a large golden retriever which she takes for long walks twice a day. He is her lifeline. A young male carer let me in. My friend, who is suffering from short term memory loss, insisted on hugging me at least twice. For the benefit of the carer, I said we weren’t supposed to be hugging. He told me that my friend thought it was a load of rubbish and it turns out that he is a sceptic too. We had a great chat about the uselessness of masks, the vaccine and the cure being worse than the disease. His friends, who are doctors, also are very unhappy about the whole fiasco.

It made me feel so much better having just received a massive kick in the teeth over the stupid rules from someone I love dearly.

300995 ▶▶ RickH, replying to Margaret, 3, #624 of 1822 🔗

I think Claire Craig’s video (see above) on testing does a very good job of putting everything in sane perspective.

301057 ▶▶ MiriamW-sometimes-AlanG, replying to Margaret, 2, #625 of 1822 🔗

Bad luck with the zealot. It hurts so much more when it’s people you love, doesn’t it? Your 90-year-old friends seem like the people I wrote about in my post. We think that the elderly people with dogs have mostly done a great deal better than those without. The dogs are giving them a reason to live, they get regular fresh air and, of course, they get to chat with other dog-walkers. MW

301073 ▶▶▶ Margaret, replying to MiriamW-sometimes-AlanG, 1, #626 of 1822 🔗

Actually, he’s as sceptical as I am Miriam but he doesn’t want to be seen as breaking the rules even though he bends them when it suits.

301341 ▶▶▶▶ MiriamW-sometimes-AlanG, replying to Margaret, #627 of 1822 🔗

They’re the worst! Our daughter is tearing her hair out with her partner who is doing exactly the same. MW

300986 George Mc, replying to George Mc, 24, #628 of 1822 🔗

Every time I venture out onto the blasted heath of the new garrison state I am further astonished at the changes. It’s not just that people are wearing masks in shops but also outside too. This, as far as I’m aware, has not been made mandatory (but hey maybe it has and I haven’t heard?). I think that folk are so used to wearing masks now that they do it instinctively and feel naked without the mask. Seeing them masked and struggling against a rain spattered wind is one of the most darkly comic things I’ve seen since this “great plague” began.

And then there is the compulsive hand washing from sanitizers at the doors. Everyone did this – grudgingly – during the earlier part of the Covid Era. Then there was a relaxation of rules and people generally didn’t bother But now with the stepping up of the non-stop spooky transmissions, everyone is washing – and again almost instinctively.

And a visit to the toilet in Tesco at the weekend brought a surprise. There were four urinals and the middle two were all sealed up with “social distancing” signs on them. People were passing each other all the time in the store. They were also standing close to each other looking at shelves. So, what was that urinal show all about? Are they worried that naked willies will be too close to each other? Are they worried that all the enforced distancing will finally cause lonely guys to snap and start to engage in furious gay activity?

301079 ▶▶ fran, replying to George Mc, 5, #629 of 1822 🔗

Last week here in Surrey we had a booklet published by Surrey County Council, delivered by the postman. It is 8 pages with all sorts of advice and information about Covid. At the bottom of page 3 it says in bold type:

‘When you are outside your home remember:
Regularly wash or sanitise your hands
Always use a face covering
Maintain 2m distance if you can

Not suprising that although face-nappies are not mandatory – this sort of info from a local authority, provides some explanation as to why so many people wear facemasks outside. (how you wash your hands outside isn’t explained)

301273 ▶▶▶ Rosie, replying to fran, 3, #630 of 1822 🔗

That’s classic nudging and mission creep

301005 Ewan Duffy, replying to Ewan Duffy, 10, #631 of 1822 🔗

I see the MSM priming the sheeple to do away with cash in Ireland – “Half of all consumers believe that cash should be withdrawn from circulation in the next 10 years”

https://www.irishexaminer.com/business/economy/arid-40189974.html

Surprise surprise, the survey was carried for one of the two big banks in Ireland and a payments service provider. No lack of objectivity there then.

301016 ▶▶ Jonathan Palmer, replying to Ewan Duffy, 7, #632 of 1822 🔗

A bit like the fake rumour you could catch it from banknotes.Amazon parcels are safe though.

301107 ▶▶ Be Unshakeable, replying to Ewan Duffy, -3, #633 of 1822 🔗

Most people I talk to see a cashless society as a great idea, and see no problem with it whatsoever.

301120 ▶▶▶ kf99, replying to Be Unshakeable, 3, #634 of 1822 🔗

Someone on here a while back asked about near-cashless Sweden – what happens when your card gets damaged/lost/stolen/stops working for some reason, thinking those clever Swedes would have come up with a solution. “Oh, you get a neighbour to do your shopping for a few days” was the reply

301149 ▶▶▶▶ Stringfellow Hawke, replying to kf99, 4, #635 of 1822 🔗

Aside from those problems you mentioned, I believe it was the Head of the BIS (Bank of international settlements) who pointed out clearly – digital currency gives total control over someone to turn your account off. Want to buy alcohol, sweets, fizzy drinks? – bad for you, purchase blocked. to keep you safe. Want to buy a plane or train ticket? well you’ve emitted quite a lot of carbon lately, we should probably block that. to save the planet…

301904 ▶▶▶▶▶ Borisbullshit, replying to Stringfellow Hawke, #636 of 1822 🔗

Yes endless possibilities for control. I wonder how escorts would be paid!

301128 ▶▶▶ OKUK, replying to Be Unshakeable, 4, #637 of 1822 🔗

Sounds like you talk mostly to stupid people! They are cofusing bank and cresit cards with digital currency,

This must all be part of the sinister Great Reset. It was being said yesterday that Sweden is actively considering turning the Kroner into a digital currency.

301178 ▶▶▶▶ kf99, replying to OKUK, 3, #638 of 1822 🔗

Stupid people indeed. Remember all those who supported joining the Euro because you wouldn’t have to change holiday money? Similar ideas being used by the SNP: “it wouldn’t matter what currency we use after independence because it’ll all be digital by then…”

301008 D B, replying to D B, 8, #639 of 1822 🔗

Hopefully tomorrow’s update wont just share the nonsense we’re already subjected to by the media and will refute the bollocks that is about to have our great capital city strung by it’s short and curlies at the mercy of the unelected Mayor and Public Health “servants”. I am at my wits end, I need more in life to live for than working remotely, Uber eats, arguing with trolley pushers about why I haven’t got a mask on and Amazon deliveries.

301906 ▶▶ Borisbullshit, replying to D B, #640 of 1822 🔗

Its a great life now.

301020 MiriamW-sometimes-AlanG, replying to MiriamW-sometimes-AlanG, 17, #641 of 1822 🔗

A cold, showery Monday in the wild High Peak: Off-hand we know about 4 out-and-out zealots who are terrified and believe everything the MSM/social media churns out. 3 of them are highly-educated professionals.  The other one is a neighbour who, at first, seemed OK despite her overweight niece with COPD having had ‘IT’ back in spring but she has recently taken to going round everywhere in a hideous black large face-nappy. When we saw her at the weekend, we urged her to lose it and breathe fresh air. Her response was hysteria and anger, saying ‘If you’d seen my daughter with ‘corona’ etc. etc.’ There was no reasoning with her. Well, apart from the complete lunacy of wearing a mask outside on your own, how come it’s now her daughter who had ‘IT’? Of course, It’s possible that 2 of her family members had ‘IT’ months apart but it’s more likely that she’s cracking up.

There are a few others we see shuffling around in muzzles when there’s nobody about/driving in one alone so there’s sadly no shortage of the mentally ill around here. Please move to London, folks, you’d fit right in with the threatened tyranny of ‘Comrade’ Khan. (Anyone else think that he’s done a deal with the Govt?)

Meanwhile, at the hairdressers on Saturday: We waited our turn while the hairdresser (full-on sceptic) sorted out an old lady who must be exempt judging by the absence of nappy but who thinks we need to be ‘patient’. Really? Then another woman came in, obviously exempt as well. Than another with a horrible blue nano-particle one slung round her neck which she made no attempt to put on.  So there were 5 of us in one room, 4 bare-faced and one in a mandatory visor but we can’t set foot in the cafe next door because, you know, the Virus Loves Hospitality Venues. SAGE tells us so.

However, the talk was interesting.  J, the woman who came in, has worked full-time throughout, travelling by train. She said there are more people on the trains now but most of them are walkers which she doesn’t seem to mind as ‘people need exercise’. She wears a mask in shops and on the train but clearly not at the hairdressers 🙂 She shouts at people ignoring the one-way system, which pre-dates the Covid bollox, at Sheffield Station. AlanG told her he would be rude to her if she did that to him! She was totally up-front about breaking the ‘rules’ to go and stay with her mum in London for nearly 2 weeks at Christmas.   We are seeing this kind of cognitive dissonance quite a lot.

The next woman, I, is older. She has a lovely dog and she has been a victim of child-abuse i.e. her bedw daughter basically kept her prisoner for several months, not even letting her walk her bloody dog, to ‘keep her safe’. Grrr! There is nothing wrong with I, she is fit and healthy for her age but was looking older, paler and frailer than last time we saw her (we’d wondered what had become of her; now we know.)  At least she’s out and about now and she was very happy to have a right good belly laugh when we all ganged up on AlanG to take the piss out of him when he made the mistake of saying he was going to ‘ruffle my hair’ (!!)

There are people much older than our friend I in this village who have kept walking their dogs several times a day since March and they do not buy in to anything. One has cancer. Another woman, a bit more compliant but very cheerful and friendly, has never made any comment about us not wearing masks in the shops and she gets out every day for a walk (no dog) and loves a chat. Another woman escaped her daughter’s imposed house-arrest and now cheerfully buzzes around the place chatting with people. We salute them and it’s people like them (and you good folk) who are keeping us going.

The hairdresser said the 2nd lockdown has crippled her. She was barely recovering from 4-months closure and the bastards shut her down again at what would normally be her busiest time. She is determinedly cheerful as is the cafe owner we chatted to afterwards who is pessimistic about being allowed to re-open when the ‘Tier’ crap is reviewed. Again, resolutely cheerful and we’ll give him what trade we can.

Oh, and our neighbour sent her youngest to school with a ‘bit of a cold’ last week. Hooray, hooray as the Head is a box-ticking moron who sends whole year groups home when anyone gets a positive test. 🙂 🙂 MW

301046 ▶▶ Rosie, replying to MiriamW-sometimes-AlanG, #642 of 1822 🔗

. (Anyone else think that he’s done a deal with the Govt?)

There’re all in it together. Disappointed to see no mention of this article in today’s Lockdown Sceptics. Explains a lot 🙁 IDS was tweeting about it yesterday….Chinese people have infiltrated everything. https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9046783/Leaked-files-expose-mass-infiltration-UK-firms-Chinese-Communist-Party .

301051 ▶▶▶ stefarm, replying to Rosie, 2, #643 of 1822 🔗

Another puppet working for his handlers

301060 ▶▶▶ Major Panic, replying to Rosie, 1, #644 of 1822 🔗

Are Vallance, Twitty, Handycock on the list – clearly all of sage or on the list – but they don’t hide it

301071 ▶▶▶▶ Rosie, replying to Major Panic, #645 of 1822 🔗

It won’t be a complete list that’s reported in the DM, but the original leak was doing the rounds on Twitter yesterday. Ian Duncan Smith was tweeting about it. So you should be able to find the original leak.

301078 ▶▶▶ Jonathan Palmer, replying to Rosie, 2, #646 of 1822 🔗

London is part of the UN smart cities initiative.He is fully on board with Agenda 21/30 which the government is ushering in under the guise of Covid.
Remember Khan only controls the police and transport in London so is desperate for publicity all the time.

301067 ▶▶ DRW, replying to MiriamW-sometimes-AlanG, 2, #647 of 1822 🔗

Nice to hear that MW. Yes there are many lost cause zealots and sheeples but also many good people fully deserving of our support.

301025 Les Tricoteuses, replying to Les Tricoteuses, #648 of 1822 🔗

Is social media still up? I don’t use it, but YouTube not working

301032 ▶▶ Les Tricoteuses, replying to Les Tricoteuses, #649 of 1822 🔗

I’m getting “invalid response received” if I try to watch a video.

301037 ▶▶ Now More Than Ever, replying to Les Tricoteuses, #650 of 1822 🔗

Just been reported that Google (which owns YouTube) is having an outage.

301038 ▶▶ T. Prince, replying to Les Tricoteuses, 1, #651 of 1822 🔗

And gmail

301039 ▶▶ Ewan Duffy, replying to Les Tricoteuses, 1, #652 of 1822 🔗

Google services (incl Youtube) are down currently.

301086 ▶▶▶ Bella Donna, replying to Ewan Duffy, #653 of 1822 🔗

I just tried YouTube it seems to be working OK.

301029 Cecil B, replying to Cecil B, 8, #654 of 1822 🔗

Someone has obviously told the leader of Wales to smarten himself up

He can now be seen sporting ill fitting dark suits

Sort of proves the point that you can’t polish a turd

(but you can roll it in glitter)

301031 ▶▶ Crystal Decanter, replying to Cecil B, 5, #655 of 1822 🔗

and you can hide your paedorapist son with the help of the legacy media

301030 NickR, replying to NickR, 4, #656 of 1822 🔗

Merseyside is an excellent Shibboleth, do you interpret this as a success of lockdown or of the virus taking it’s own natural course?
It’s instructive to note that the peak was Oct 8th, Tier 3 restrictions came in on the 14th. They had mass testing, the works but did any of it make any difference? Prevalence now looks to be lying at about the false positive rate.

301081 ▶▶ RickH, replying to NickR, 3, #657 of 1822 🔗

Now …. what does that remind me of??? Go… Gomp… Gomper… something ‘curve’. Like viruses do when they do what they do?

… and, I guess, what RNA does, too.

301034 Bill Hickling, replying to Bill Hickling, 14, #658 of 1822 🔗

Just hilarious listening to Jeremy Vine. The virus virtually disappeared in the summer and he seems to think it reappeared because of what? Students going back, us relaxing our social distancing?
NO!! It is seasonal. It is seasonal. Why can they not see things for what they are?

301125 ▶▶ Ben, replying to Bill Hickling, 6, #659 of 1822 🔗

I wouldn’t say ‘hilarious’. His friend Dr Jarvis is promoting face masks for children. They represent the smiling face of fascism

301715 ▶▶▶ David Grimbleby, replying to Ben, 1, #660 of 1822 🔗

She is an evil bitch indeed.

301041 p02099003, replying to p02099003, 4, #661 of 1822 🔗

I’ve just received a missive about face coverings at work. We have to have an assessment as to the reasons and if reason is acceptable then we will be given a badge to show we are exempt.

301048 ▶▶ Major Panic, replying to p02099003, 10, #662 of 1822 🔗

is it a yellow star shaped badge?

301052 ▶▶ Seansaighdeoir, replying to p02099003, 11, #663 of 1822 🔗

That is not per the govt guidelines. That might be the time to ask them for their risk assessments in forcing people to cover their faces everyday. We had the same issue at work and I raised the fact of whether they were honouring exemptions per the guidelines. They did athough it has taken them 4 weeks to start providing company exemption lanyards.

301063 ▶▶ Crystal Decanter, replying to p02099003, 14, #664 of 1822 🔗

Push back – exemptions are self certification as per the Government. Make sure any “assessment” will cause undue stress and anxiety

301072 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to p02099003, 4, #665 of 1822 🔗

And how arbitrary are their assessments for having a valid reason? Have they compiled their own that they can share with you?

301093 ▶▶ jb12, replying to p02099003, 6, #666 of 1822 🔗

Haha, your employer can’t assess whether or not you need a muzzle.

301042 Ned of the Hills, replying to Ned of the Hills, 4, #667 of 1822 🔗

If hospital admissions are a good measure of infectiousness then it his hard to see how the last lockdown did much to suppress infections.

Admissions peaked during the lock down on the 11th – six days after it began. Surely far too early for the lockdown to have had any impact on admissions by then. (The peak was surely already “baked in” as it is so inelegantly phrased.)

Admissions began rising on the 28th when if the lockdown was driving down infections it would surely have been having a marked impact by then.

Does suggest the virus is going to do what the virus is going do? That can’t be a correct conclusion can it?

301090 ▶▶ Recusant, replying to Ned of the Hills, 1, #668 of 1822 🔗

I think that it suggests that people adjust their behaviour without being ordered around, and the best way to balance life and health is the wisdom of crowds.

301074 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to Suzyv, 2, #670 of 1822 🔗

The Astra Zeneca trial in Auz was haulted for HIV related issues.

301054 DRW, replying to DRW, 22, #671 of 1822 🔗

Hi all. After putting up some more posters this morning I met one of my neighbours which moved in a few months ago. I congratulated them for having family over the other week and it turned out they’re all fairly sceptical. Apparently household visits are quite common again round here, especially in the rural villages despite all the tiering bollocks. One pub is apparently operating as a speakeasy for certain approved locals. I joked about a potential swap with my sheepish lot and recommended this site and some others, said he’ll have a look. Always nice to hear about the many good people out there.

301062 ▶▶ Rosie, replying to DRW, 2, #672 of 1822 🔗

Thanks for the news. Good to hear about the posters!

301100 ▶▶▶ DRW, replying to Rosie, 5, #673 of 1822 🔗

Yes I’m using Mabel Cow’s “Enough” posters. I have been inspired by your leafleting Rosie, keep up the good work.

301267 ▶▶▶▶ Rosie, replying to DRW, 1, #674 of 1822 🔗

Oh wow! I’m delighted to hear that. Been getting discouraged myself, so I shall set out tomorrow with new vigour 🙂 🙂

301058 Pebbles, replying to Pebbles, 5, #675 of 1822 🔗

A friend sent me this today…from Dr Robert Young/US: http://www.drrobertyoung.com/blog
Full link to this article / letter > questions:
https://www.drrobertyoung.com/post/missing-in-action-truth-about-viruses

NB: Some of his stuff may be too out there for some, but he delightfully rips into the Drosten paper in the end – scroll down to the bottom and shows everything wrong with the paper and what was deducted from it. Well worth a full read. It’s tailored for the US, but maybe one could do the same for Wancock et al?

To Whom It May Concern,
1) Please send me the government guidelines for the requirement of regular testing of asymptomatic patients.
2) Please send me the scientific proof that asymptomatic patients can spread this so-called virus known as the coronavirus from human to human.
3) Please send me all research studies that prove antibody and RTPCR testing asymptomatic patients slows the spread of any virus.
4) Please send me all scientific evidence of the accuracy of any testing for any virus including the coronavirus.
5) Please send me all scientific evidence that the SARS coVID -2-19 virus has been isolated using Koch’s 4 stage postulates or Rivers 6 stage postulates which are considered the gold standard methods for isolating and identifying any virulent microorganism, including the SARS CoVID-2-19 virus.
6) Please send me scientific evidence of a pandemic from the coronavirus using cases of people that have actually died of SARS CoVID-2-19 not with SARS CoVID-12-19.
7) Please send me scientific evidence of the death rate due to pneumonia for the Year-end 2019 to Year-end 2020 compared with all previous years beginning from 1964 when the coronavirus was first identified.
8) Please send me any protocols you intend to carry out should I refuse antibody, antigen or RT-PCR testing.
9) Please send me a statement as to why you see these protocols for the treatment of SARS-CoVID-2-19 should be enforced while taking away my free-will to control my own body and my life.
10) Please explain what it means to isolate the SARS-CoV-2-19? Please review the method and state your scientific method for isolating the SARS CoVID – 2-19 for identification efficacy?
11) Please share any published peer-reviewed scientific papers on the isolation/purification of the SARS CoVid-2-19 and if not, to which scientific publications do you reference validating the existence of the so-called invisible coronavirus?
12) Please share ANY key scientific publication(s) describing that a viral structure or molecules attributed to the HIV, Ebola, HBV, Hepatitis, Zika and/or SARS-CoV-2-19, virus have been isolated in the sense of the word “isolation”?
13) Please share the “control” experiments documented that prove that the nucleic acids used to align the genome of the HIV, Ebola, Zika, SARS-CoVid-2-19 viruses are actually viral in nature and do not have other tissue characteristics?
In case the “control” experiments mentioned in question 13 have not yet been performed please answer the final question:
14. If such a “control” experiment has been conducted (the isolation of RNA from uninfected cell cultures, sequencing and alignment to the SARS-CoVid-2-19 genome), would you send me this data from one of the major peer-reviewed scientific publications such as, Nature, The New England Journal of Medicine, or the Lancet?
Please put ALL of YOUR answers in writing, have your answers notarized and then sent by certified/registered mail to the address below.
Kindest regards,
Dr. Robert O. Young
16390 Dia del Sol
Valley Center, California 92082
USA
http://www.drrobertyoung.com/blog

301154 ▶▶ Ned of the Hills, replying to Pebbles, 4, #676 of 1822 🔗

Please send me the scientific proof that asymptomatic patients can spread this so-called virus known as the coronavirus from human to human.

Glad to see there is someone who is medically qualified that has to be persuaded of this. Come the day it is firmly proved it is not a possibility, 95% of the population will have to accept they’ve been taken for fools.

301059 Rosie, replying to Rosie, 7, #677 of 1822 🔗

Here’s a video from 18985 that helps us to understand the events of 2020. It’s about Soviet methods of subversion, which entailed a few decades of demoralisation and once people are demoralised and lack confidence in themselves and their cuture they can be persuaded to believe anything.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_OUajti4zWk&feature=youtu.be
Yuri Bezmenov, born 1939 in Moscow, defected in 1970, interviewed in 1985. A former Russian KGB agent trained in communist subversion tactics exposes the psychological strategy at work in many countries, especially the Soviet Union’s arch nemesis of the time: America. Although the Soviet Union may have collapsed, subversion is a long-term warfare tactic that can be continued throughout years of a nation’s downfall so long as the operatives involved remain dedicated to the cause.

‘Ideological subversion’ = Active measures’ = ‘psychological warfare’ = ‘disinformation’ of demoralisation which laid the groundwork and means that people will believe anything . From demoralisation, to taking over key infrastructure, then crisis and the ‘new normal’ .

So this explains why intelligent people frequently swallow all the propaganda, because they lack confidence (which is why they studied hard and got lots of letters after their name). Not all intelligent people obvs!

Longer vid – both worth downloading
https://youtu.be/Y9TviIuXPSE

301085 ▶▶ Darryl, replying to Rosie, 4, #678 of 1822 🔗

It’s very good. I watched it back in the summer after the elite and media approved ‘mostly peaceful protests’ and everything they were doing made sense. Complete destruction of trusted national institutions and history and deliberate demoralisation of the population via propaganda.

301092 ▶▶ Mr Dee, replying to Rosie, 5, #679 of 1822 🔗

Remember that Michie, Sage member and behavioural scientist, is a paid-up member of the British Communist Party.

301101 ▶▶ Ben, replying to Rosie, 2, #680 of 1822 🔗

The Soviet Union ended decades ago. This is happening today. It’s not Russia – it’s all over the world. When billionaires are getting richer (Jeff Bezos) and politicians are standing to profit from shares, I fail to see the comparison with the Soviet Union.

If intelligent people follow propaganda, then they’re not intelligent

301110 ▶▶▶ Crystal Decanter, replying to Ben, 3, #681 of 1822 🔗

The Soviet infiltration was cultural and designed to take effect decades later. The SU is long gone but the seeds they once sowed are bearing fruit today

301117 ▶▶▶▶ Ben, replying to Crystal Decanter, -2, #682 of 1822 🔗

The ideology does not match with Pharma and big business goals. It’s a ludicrous conflation.

301124 ▶▶▶▶▶ Crystal Decanter, replying to Ben, #683 of 1822 🔗

Neo-Liberals wokesters are now masquerading as the Left. They love all the above

301162 ▶▶▶▶▶ RickH, replying to Ben, 1, #684 of 1822 🔗

It’s cognitive dissonance – the inability to grasp that totalitarianism comes from the extreme right as well as the extreme left, and is actually sui generis.

I think a lot of the right-leaners have difficulty in recognising that the current outbreak is mainly coming from the free market capitalist stable. Thus we get the battered drumbeat of it being all from some nebulous ‘Left’ – a term which has come to mean ‘anything I don’t agree with’ in pram-based politics.

301257 ▶▶▶▶▶ Rosie, replying to Ben, #685 of 1822 🔗

It’s not a conflation. Please read what we’ve written.
Most people writing here are intelligent, so before you make banal criticisms, please try a few times to grasp what is being said.
Patience at a low ebb today.

301368 ▶▶▶▶▶ George L, replying to Ben, #686 of 1822 🔗

Ben.. the Bolshevik revolution was financed by capitalist bankers and fought by commies. Same shit different date. Communism’s just a convenient control mechanism. David Rockefeller was a big fan of Mao.

301070 D B, replying to D B, 9, #687 of 1822 🔗

I had my worst experience of lockdown to date when I went to the driving range at Greenwich Peninsular, the bouncer wouldn’t let me in maskless as my exemption badge (digital one form the govt. website, didn’t contain my name and my exemption) needless to say, the e-mail below was just fired off to the company, be interested to see how they respond. Any advice you can add or even take from this is great, let me know if I can improve it in case required in future (i.e. walking down the street if Sadiq Khan has his way this week)

Hello,

I would like to make a formal complaint about the treatment I received at the hands of your “doorman” on Friday, 11th December at around 7pm.

As I approached the centre, unmasked, as my exemption from wearing the masks allows me to do, a member of your staff (who’s ID I photographed, attached) blocked my entrance to the centre bodily, breaking the social distancing requirements and refused to let me enter the building despite my showing him the attached official exemption badge on my phone that I downloaded from the government official website.

There are two points to this situation to which I would like to draw to your attention. Firstly, refusing my access to an establishment is a breach of my rights against the Equality Act 2010 in which disability, (visible or invisible, mental or physical) is a protected characteristic, therefore making denying entry on these grounds for my none compliance with your individual policy (which for your benefit is superseded by my protected characteristic as pet the Equality Act 2010) illegal, and subject to a heavy fine upwards of £8,000 for the establishment and £5,000 for the individual.

Secondly, in this instance the individual decided that the government’s issued exemption badge which you can see for yourself at the following link HERE was not satisfactory and that it should in fact contain my name and the reason for my exemption. This is unlawful. I would like to point out at this point that the following extract from the Government guidelines.

If you have an age, health or disability reason for not wearing a face covering:

  • you do not routinely need to show any written evidence of this
  • you do not need show an exemption card

This means that you do not need to seek advice or request a letter from a medical professional about your reason for not wearing a face covering.

However, some people may feel more comfortable showing something that says they do not have to wear a face covering. This could be in the form of an exemption card, badge or even a home-made sign.

Carrying an exemption card or badge is a personal choice and is not required by law.

If you wish to use an exemption card or badge, you can download exemption card templates . You can then print these yourself or show them on a mobile device. Please note that the government is not able to provide physical exemption cards or badges.

Needless to say, I did apply a face covering as it was becoming embarrassing and awkward for my playing partner. I was thoroughly disturbed and upset by the treatment by the hands of the doorman. To the credit of the employee on the desk who’s name I did not manage to catch she reassured me I could remove it outside and this helped with the significant anxiety donning a mask causes me, and I was fortunate enough not to have a panic attack but it has contributed significantly to a depressive mood I have had looming over me all weekend.

I write this not with a view to pressing charges etc. but with a view to improving the service that other, more severely impacted people may receive at your establishment- it is not against the law to not have an ID badge, and my word that I am exempt carries in all settings, this should be upheld and honoured by your staff as it otherwise detracted what was a brilliant and safe trip to your driving range. I will visit again, and look forward to your response in due course, I hope you can assuage my discomfort and look to train your members of staff on the law and what is or isn’t required on the admittedly baffling coronavirus regulations.

Best of luck with adhering to them and I hope the business survives into the future,

Kind Regards,
D B

301167 ▶▶ Lisa (formerly) from Toronto, replying to D B, 5, #688 of 1822 🔗

Very disheartening and I hope you get a favourable response. Unfortunately the same is going on here pretty much everywhere despite the law in our province stating the mask exemption explicitly. Businesses have taken it upon themselves to bar anyone without a face covering despite the clearly stated exemptions, and they’re getting away with it. The courts are either not operating or are operating at nothing close to their full dockets, so we literally can’t fight it. Public opinion is very much on the side of businesses forcing face coverings, so for now those of us who won’t/can’t wear one really can’t do any in-person shopping or much at all. Having said that, today I’m going to drop in to a health food store I have it on good authority does not enforce masking and the owner refuses to wear one. I did walk into a government office the other week without a mask and nobody said a word — those people know the law and I had no online option in this case so they had to comply.

301080 Bella Donna, replying to Bella Donna, 8, #689 of 1822 🔗

Suffolk went into tier 2 and tomorrow we will be travelling to tier 3 territory to visit mother in law who I haven’t seen since February. She will be behind a perspex screen so no hugs or kisses, it shouldn’t be like this but we’re being conditioned to accept abnormal social interaction.!

301088 ▶▶ jb12, replying to Bella Donna, #690 of 1822 🔗

Is she in a home?

301082 VickyA, replying to VickyA, 29, #691 of 1822 🔗

Heard someone talk about this earlier and thought I would share my thoughts – “The Law of Unintended Consequences”:
How many who used to follow the MSM now don’t believe much of what they say?
How many who thought NHS and doctors knew best now know they don’t?
How many are using their eyes and ears to see what they are told isn’t true?
I know there are many here, but we are the tip of a big iceberg. By suppression and nonsensical rules, they are sowing the seeds of their own downfall.
Dominic Cummings and Kay Burley showed the sheep directly it is a farce. It may not be happening fast enough, but there are cracks in their dam…

301094 ▶▶ Alan P, replying to VickyA, 22, #692 of 1822 🔗

Let’s make those cracks wider. I spent 20 mins on a zoom call last night with 3 retired former colleagues going through the lockdown(s); mask mandates; PCR test and trace; vaccines. Highlighting the role the media, scientists and governments all around the world complicity in this pandemic. No conspiracy theory unless you count a number of players using this as a disguise to drive their own agenda e.g. WEF, WHO, big pharma, Bill Gates et al.

I made a definite impact as they all agreed with my assessment. A small win, but if we can keep chipping away, rewards will come.

301139 ▶▶▶ Pebbles, replying to Alan P, 4, #693 of 1822 🔗

Amazing. Well done. Keep doing this. I have done the same, but with only half-arse wins so far.

301130 ▶▶ robnicholson, replying to VickyA, 5, #694 of 1822 🔗

>How many are using their eyes and ears to see what they are told isn’t true?

Increasingly asking friends to do this. Look around you, are people dying left, right and centre? Does it feel like the world is ending? The answer is, if you trusted your eyes and ears, no…

301083 awildgoose, replying to awildgoose, 13, #695 of 1822 🔗

Good morning from the US.

Just saw two carelessly forgotten face nappies on the ground as I took the trash out this morning.

I guess the Covidian religion has yet to develop a doctrine for proper nappy disposal.

301087 ▶▶ Mr Dee, replying to awildgoose, 13, #696 of 1822 🔗

Good afternoon from Gulag Wales – Sektor North-East.

These infernal things are everywhere. Make me sick. I live near a World Heritage Site, and there’s one or two scattered around even here in the countryside. If I saw someone dropping one, I’d make them eat it.

I keep on meaning to do this, and keep on forgetting, but we should all report each discarded muzzle we see to the local council as a biohazard. Clogging up the bureaucratic system is one way to change things locally.

301089 ▶▶ Ben, replying to awildgoose, 13, #697 of 1822 🔗

The Greens and Extinction Rebellion don’t seem to give a f**k about the ‘epidemic’ of discarded face nappies

301084 Ben, replying to Ben, 5, #698 of 1822 🔗
301157 ▶▶ RickH, replying to Ben, 3, #699 of 1822 🔗

Proof positive of the studied misuse of PCR testing. No-one can by now be unaware of te innacuracy of testing at twice the recommended number of cycles.

301180 ▶▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to RickH, 4, #700 of 1822 🔗

For sure. The big scandal is that they knew and continued anyway. That anyone questioning it was a conspiracy nut. That MPs were happy to use it as a proxy for lockdowns, despite getting all the info they needed from sceptics. That again, they were dismissed as right wing fantasists. That transparency is nowhere to be seen in this whole fraud, it’s an agenda, being rammed down everyone’s throat.

301091 George Mc, replying to George Mc, 5, #701 of 1822 🔗

It seems that Sweden must pay for its covid transgression:

https://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2020/12/14/pers-d14.html

“Sweden’s “herd immunity” policy produces disaster

The “herd immunity” policy pursued by the Swedish government in response to the COVID-19 pandemic has produced a catastrophe . With Sweden’s hospitals overflowing and the bodies piling up in morgues , its neighbors Norway and Denmark have offered to step in with emergency aid.”

“bodies piling up in morgues”? Really?

Again it would be infinitely dreary to wade through the verbal carnage, save to give the sensational highlights:

“….textbook definition of a mass-casualty event …hospitals totally overwhelmed … with an influx of new cases…. massive increase in deaths …. a recipe for death on a massive scale ….. virus is going to sweep like a storm over Sweden and infect basically everyone …..”

Everyone! Do you hear! EVERYONE!

Then we have a role call of the designated corporate bastards who wanted to emulate Sweden etc.

But it’s not just our Lefties but also our Righties who are getting in on the act:

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9043261/Sweden-coronavirus-Intensive-care-beds-running-low-amid-soaring-cases.html

“Sweden is running out of intensive care beds amid soaring coronavirus cases and may have to reach out to neighbouring countries for help, a top medic has warned. Intensive care units in Stockholm, which has been hit hardest during the country’s second wave, hit 99 per cent capacity this week – with just seven beds remaining.”

However:

https://lockdownsceptics.org/2020/12/09/latest-news-218/#no-excess-deaths-in-sweden-this-year-study

“A team of researchers from the Clinical Effectiveness Research Group at the University of Oslo in Norway has looked at all-cause mortality for Sweden for the past five years (July to July) and found that it barely increased in 2019-20 despite the coronavirus epidemic in the spring. The pre-print study compared the no-lockdown country to its neighbour (and home country of the research team) Norway.”

Admittedly that’s not so up to date so this massive upsurge in corpse spilling must have happened in the interim.

But let us not talk falsely now, the hour is getting late.

We know the figures are all bulllshit since based on tests that would convict a can of Coke. So what is it about the tsunami (their favourite word) of the near-dead who have been admitted to the wards? Do they get an instant entry if they pass the Coke test?

301095 ▶▶ Sarigan, replying to George Mc, 7, #702 of 1822 🔗
301096 ▶▶ Ben, replying to George Mc, 3, #703 of 1822 🔗

WSWS can’t be trusted. It’s rabidly pro-lockdown

301102 ▶▶▶ OKUK, replying to Ben, 4, #704 of 1822 🔗

And they’re Trots. Never trust a Trot.

301142 ▶▶▶▶ George Mc, replying to OKUK, #705 of 1822 🔗

They give you the trots ARF! Sorry couldn’t resist!

301114 ▶▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to Ben, 3, #706 of 1822 🔗

I’d never read any of their stuff. Pro lockdown is an under statement. That article is the stuff of nightmares

301147 ▶▶▶▶ George Mc, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 2, #707 of 1822 🔗

Well I’m afraid this is par for the Left course. And it’s come as a big shock to me. The mainstream says “A thousand people have died”, the Left media say, “How dare you play down the figures! It’s at least 20 thousand! Today the entire population of the UK died! And tomorrow, they’re going to die again!” etc.

301097 ▶▶ TJN, replying to George Mc, 10, #708 of 1822 🔗

Outside, in the distance

A wildcat did growl

Two riders were approaching

The wind began to howl

 I remain of the opinion that Truth will eventually catch up with these bastards and take them down.

301150 ▶▶▶ George Mc, replying to TJN, 2, #709 of 1822 🔗

I take “But let us not talk falsely now, the hour is getting late” as my motto – along with that line from Neil Young’s “Ohio”: “How can you run now you know”

301300 ▶▶▶▶ TJN, replying to George Mc, #710 of 1822 🔗

Let us not talk falsely …

It’s a great song, which I’ve always interpreted as vengeance gathering and preparing to take its due. Seems apt here.

We’ve done a fair bit of Dylan on here recently – don’t know if you’ve seen it. I don’t know much Neil Young. Seems a good dude though.

301099 ▶▶ Julian, replying to George Mc, 9, #711 of 1822 🔗

Germany is shutting down but has little or no excess death, not now, not before

I just assume anything written about Sweden in the MSM is a flat out lie now

301103 ▶▶▶ Be Unshakeable, replying to Julian, 16, #712 of 1822 🔗

I just assume anything written in the MSM is a flat out lie now.

301115 ▶▶▶▶ calchas, replying to Be Unshakeable, 4, #713 of 1822 🔗

Well, if I catch the MSM telling a truth, then I realize that the motive must be particularly insidious.

Half-truths are often more effective than lies, or a truth told without giving you the proper context is effectively a lie.

301136 ▶▶▶▶ awildgoose, replying to Be Unshakeable, 4, #714 of 1822 🔗

I just assume everything is an op now.

301111 ▶▶ awildgoose, replying to George Mc, 3, #715 of 1822 🔗

Lord Cthulhu is most pleased Sweden is submitting to the new religion!

301156 ▶▶▶ George Mc, replying to awildgoose, 2, #716 of 1822 🔗

“Iä Cthulhu Fhtagn!”

Makes more sense than anything in the MSM.

I also think that this paraphrase sums up the MSM (taking the last word in a different sense):

“That is not dead which can eternally lie”

301158 ▶▶▶ Be Unshakeable, replying to awildgoose, 3, #717 of 1822 🔗

Does that mean that Klaus Schwab is Nyarlahotep?!

301122 ▶▶ DRW, replying to George Mc, 6, #718 of 1822 🔗

The “herd immunity failed” bullshit always annoys me when there’s been no non-cherry picked evidence that lockdowns have worked.

301152 ▶▶ RickH, replying to George Mc, 1, #719 of 1822 🔗

Amazing contradiction of Euromomo data.

301163 ▶▶ George Mc, replying to George Mc, 6, #720 of 1822 🔗

Further on that “bodies piling up in morgues”, well bodies do tend to accumulate in morges. Isn’t that what morgues are for? And hospital does tend to be full of sick folk and some of them do die. And if say three die then that might consititue a “pile”. You could always stack them on top of each other and take a photo to confirm. And if they tested positive for covid, it could just mean they had a coke a couple of days ago.

(I can already hear the screams of outrage: “You sick disrespectful bastard! People are dying of this killer plague and you make jokes!” etc.)

301098 steve_w, replying to steve_w, 21, #721 of 1822 🔗

they test the vaccine on 22,000 healthy people to find out its safe, but does have some side effects – fevers etc. no-one in test group was on any medicine or had any ongoing health problems

they then administer it to lots of vulnerable old people with multiple health issues and ongoing drug regimes

what could possibly go wrong?

301126 ▶▶ JohnB, replying to steve_w, 4, #722 of 1822 🔗

The problem with them listing the side effects is that it makes people think that they occurred for like the next day and then they were gone, but if you read the clinical trial reports the side effects were going on for weeks and seemed persistent in the trial participants. These persistent side effects were also more prevalent in the younger participants.

301131 ▶▶▶ Crystal Decanter, replying to JohnB, 2, #723 of 1822 🔗

There are no such things as side effects – just effects

302274 ▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to JohnB, #724 of 1822 🔗

Hi John. Cool moniker. 🙂

301105 Fingerache Philip., replying to Fingerache Philip., 25, #725 of 1822 🔗

Always thought that Tony Blackburn was a pratt, no wonder Tessa Wyatt left him.
He is an out and out collaborator.
We record his “Sounds of the 60’s” radio programme to listen to on Monday when we do the housework ( Ain’t life exciting?).
Anyway, all though his programme he constantly urges us to “follow the rules, social distance, be careful” followed by “When this horrible virus is over, we will get back to normal,etc”
Blackburn; it’s creeps like you who are fuelling this madness, ain’t it about time you retired?”
And no, the 60’s music is’nt always the best.
From a 72 year old sceptic.

301192 ▶▶ chris, replying to Fingerache Philip., 2, #726 of 1822 🔗

Being an AVID tape recordist I recorded many of Brian Matthews’ SOTS for just such times as this. my age ? ditto.

301722 ▶▶ David Grimbleby, replying to Fingerache Philip., #727 of 1822 🔗

You expect better from these 60,s erm rebels, but they are a massive disappointment, tho. to call fuckin’ Blackburn a ‘rebel’ is stretching it somewhat!

301119 Crystal Decanter, replying to Crystal Decanter, 9, #728 of 1822 🔗

Worrying noises coming out of Bitchute today
They are (allegedly) working with Hope not Hate with regards to extremist content
Problem is, as I pointed out to Bitchute over on Gab,
Anything that isn’t to the left of Trotsky is hates peach according to HNH

301129 ▶▶ leggy, replying to Crystal Decanter, 7, #729 of 1822 🔗

Oh dear. HNH are zealot central. I follow their page on Facebook to help keep me grounded in reality.

301240 ▶▶▶ Darryl, replying to leggy, 4, #730 of 1822 🔗

Looking at their webpage, they claim to be an anti racism organisation, but say they are targeting Covid 19 ‘misinformation’. What has criticising the draconian cruel worldwide Covid 19 lockdowns got to do with an ‘anti racism’ organisation?

Looks like a front organisation to silence any people the establishment thought police don’t approve of such as the medical professions who don’t agree with the WHO. I bet the main funders are MSM, Big Tech and the Government.

301135 ▶▶ awildgoose, replying to Crystal Decanter, 4, #731 of 1822 🔗

Rumble and Library are potential alternative video platforms.

301144 ▶▶▶ calchas, replying to awildgoose, 4, #732 of 1822 🔗

‘Brandnewtube’ also

301146 ▶▶▶▶ Crystal Decanter, replying to calchas, 2, #733 of 1822 🔗

all within the 5 eyes. What is happening to Bitchute will happen to all of them

301148 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to Crystal Decanter, 1, #734 of 1822 🔗

I’ve said it before but the move away from YT to such sites seems like a corral tactic. Just a theory.

301202 ▶▶ Darryl, replying to Crystal Decanter, 4, #735 of 1822 🔗

Thats the end of Bitchute then. Full censorship of anything critical of the WHO and the Technocratic elite coming. These online censorship groups are always full on Covid 19 / New World Order zealots.

301672 ▶▶ Ben, replying to Crystal Decanter, #736 of 1822 🔗

Oh dear. I shall avoid BitChute now as well

301127 alw, replying to alw, 10, #737 of 1822 🔗

Anti lockdown protest in London now. Police hitting people over head with batons. Disgraceful. Live on You tube.
https://youtu.be/_ugJEk8GKAk

301143 ▶▶ Steve Martindale, replying to alw, 13, #738 of 1822 🔗

BBC news this lunchtime Armageddon in London, the virus is devastating the capital and they need to raze it to the ground as it is the only way to save it.
No end of people coming on appealing for everyone to wear masks, there is an overwhelming assumption that masks stop the virus in its tracks, no evidence but surely it must be right?
Doctors coming on appealing for Schools to shut as that is where the virus is coming from, how do they know that? more assumptions and folk-lore.
I think Matt Hancock is making a statement later today, will he cancel Christmas? will London go into tier 3? will this nightmare ever end?
All the powers that be seem to be acting like mad dogs ever chasing their tails until they drop dead. Nobody in authority seems to have the ability or inclination to step back and inject any reality and put all this into context.

301160 ▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Steve Martindale, 9, #739 of 1822 🔗

It’s all hype – as we all know – but a special performance because there’s a big covid debate in Parliament today. Starts at 14.30, hence the urgent need to brutally break up the protest!

301198 ▶▶ Darryl, replying to alw, 5, #740 of 1822 🔗

Unfortunately, the police especially the Met seem to be modelling their response on a mixture of the CCP / SS. Very disappointed that this website doesn’t highlight the numerous police abuses going on at every single anti lockdown protest. The media, politicians and human rights charities have just thrown the brave people out protesting under the establishment bus.

301132 robnicholson, #741 of 1822 🔗

Completely aside, but is traffic to this website increasing? Ohh goodness, just realised I might have asked for another chart…

301153 Voz 0db, 1, #742 of 1822 🔗

I’ve also tried that one!

Asking the morons “ How many people die each year due to pneumonia?

The obvious moron reply “But this is not pneumonia, it’s COVID”!

Too much TV and “SMART”ROCKS!

301155 Cheezilla, 3, #743 of 1822 🔗

Found this gem on the Telegram groups:

I’m listening to Gaz Walled In previous videos that Google forced him to delete from YouTube. He has website https://walledin.co.uk/
and the video streaming works better on the Brave internet browser. All the previous town and city rallies can be looked up on there.

Please subscribe to his YouTube channel so that he can continue with livestreaming. He can only do this if his subscriber numbers are above 1000.

There are not many like Gaz Walled In and not as good. We know that RT and Ruptly rarely get outside London. So please support his journalism. He needs to cover his website costs.

Worth supporting.
(The videos streamed fine for me in Thunderbird.)

301159 Ben, 7, #744 of 1822 🔗

‘2020.

Quite literally the worst attack on people in human history.

It’s not about the virus.’

https://twitter.com/LeahButlerSmith/status/1325741084002103296?s=20

301161 Cheezilla, replying to Cheezilla, 3, #745 of 1822 🔗

Not sure this will be helpful to the cause!

Kicked off today. The crowd split, half went to the police commission where Geza Tarjanyi did a one man charge into the buliding… Found himself wrestled to the ground and locked inside. Police brutality out in full force… Man down after being savagely bludgeoned over the head.

301177 ▶▶ mattghg, replying to Cheezilla, 2, #746 of 1822 🔗

Seems that Geza might not speaking at the demo in Oxford on Sunday as planned, then…

301164 Sarigan, replying to Sarigan, #747 of 1822 🔗

Petitions being debated today:

Give all key workers a 100% tax and Nat. Ins. holiday through COVID-19 crisis https://petition.parliament.uk/petitions/306845

Give government workers a fair pay rise https://petition.parliament.uk/petitions/328754

Prevent any restrictions on those who refuse a Covid-19 vaccination https://petition.parliament.uk/petitions/323442

Starts at 4.30pm
https://parliamentlive.tv/Event/Index/92da1ad5-8ca7-4126-88bd-bed2b0c744ca

301187 ▶▶ mattghg, replying to Sarigan, 8, #748 of 1822 🔗

Picture of anyone who signed the first petition:

301190 ▶▶ kh1485, replying to Sarigan, 6, #749 of 1822 🔗

Re the first two: the ones who are on full pay and guaranteed jobs?

301226 ▶▶▶ Sarigan, replying to kh1485, 2, #750 of 1822 🔗

Don’t shoot the messenger x

301229 ▶▶▶▶ kh1485, replying to Sarigan, 3, #751 of 1822 🔗

Wouldn’t dream of it. More like the person who started the petition.

301233 ▶▶▶▶▶ Sarigan, replying to kh1485, 1, #752 of 1822 🔗

and the second one

301251 ▶▶▶▶▶ Sarigan, replying to kh1485, #753 of 1822 🔗

Parts of Essex going into tier 3 – is this going to affect you? 🙁

301166 Cristi.Neagu, replying to Cristi.Neagu, 7, #754 of 1822 🔗

The government: A few hundred positive test results with no one really in hospital is terrifying!
Me: 3bln hit to the economy is terrifying!

301179 ▶▶ Be Unshakeable, replying to Cristi.Neagu, 1, #755 of 1822 🔗

The government: Meh, Ctrl+P.

301168 godowneasy, 2, #756 of 1822 🔗

Ireland’s Granny Killers

Interesting hard hitting piece on Irish independent media / blog freepress.ie. It covers a number of issues around care home deaths, the “buddy vaccine” idea and poses the idea that care home residents are worth more dead than alive due to the way care home funding works. The site is strongly lockdown sceptic and anti-government. I’m fairly new to the site so can’t vouch for it’s credibility.

https://freepress.ie/2020/12/why-stephen-donnelly-wants-your-granny-dead/

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301170 calchas, 8, #757 of 1822 🔗

Some of the harms of lockdown:

https://sebastianrushworth.com/2020/12/13/what-are-the-harms-of-lockdown/

“There was an 8% increase in cardiovascular mortality during the lockdown, compared with what would normally be expected for the time period. At the same time, the proportion of cardiovascular deaths happening in hospitals decreased from 63% to 53%, while the proportion happening out of hospital (in private homes or care homes) increased from 37% to 47% .”

…..

“In 2019, the average time from beginning of symptoms to arrival in the hospital was 161 minutes. In 2020, the average time had more than doubled, to 387 minutes.”

……….

“In 2019, the average time from beginning of symptoms to arrival in the hospital was 161 minutes. In 2020, the average time had more than doubled, to 387 minutes.”

301173 assoc, replying to assoc, 1, #758 of 1822 🔗

Out of curiosity, does anyone know how many died of or with covid in London yesterday?

301214 ▶▶ PatrickF, replying to assoc, 3, #759 of 1822 🔗

It was 144 in the UK yesterday. 144 out of a population of 67 million!

301268 ▶▶▶ Andrew K, replying to PatrickF, 10, #760 of 1822 🔗

You mean 144 were said to have dies with covid. So proabably about 4 then. With an average age of about 96.

301175 JHuntz, replying to JHuntz, 24, #761 of 1822 🔗

The only way I see this heading is an effective prohabition times. There will be the vaccinated (psuedo freedom) and the unvacccinateed (unfree). House parties for the unvaccinated and empty pubs/ resterauants for the vaccinated. Cruise liners for the unvaccinated (TUI) and planes for the vaccinated. The interesting part will be that it creates a clear divide in those that believe in freedom and those that don’t. I suspect the freedom lovers will make for much better company.

301176 ▶▶ leggy, replying to JHuntz, 5, #762 of 1822 🔗

Vaccine apartheid.

301184 ▶▶ godowneasy, replying to JHuntz, 10, #763 of 1822 🔗

I really don’t see how they can make this work. A significant percentage of the population will never be vaccinated even if they wanted to (children, those with allergies, auto-immune issues etc). How can x millions be excluded from society?

301189 ▶▶▶ leggy, replying to godowneasy, 7, #764 of 1822 🔗

Well, I had it confirmed to me by a nurse yesterday that every vaccination is being logged in a central Govt database so they’re certainly gearing up for some sort of electronic freedom pass.

301210 ▶▶▶▶ kh1485, replying to leggy, 10, #765 of 1822 🔗

“Govt database”? mmm….another obsolete excel spreadsheet – hopefully.

301265 ▶▶▶ JHuntz, replying to godowneasy, 1, #766 of 1822 🔗

It just makes no sense whatsoever. I can only presume they will make the autoimmune etc exempt. If that happens they will just get folk faking asthma by breathing light into the instrument. Human initiative will always find ways around this nonsense.

301182 Danny, 2, #767 of 1822 🔗

Have just read a short story called “the day the dam broke” by James Thurber.
No parallels to today of course. Not at all.

301183 Victoria, replying to Victoria, 18, #768 of 1822 🔗

Re Tedros from WHO

“The complaint also alleged that Dr Tedros oversaw the killing, and causing serious bodily and mental harm to, members of the Amhara, Konso, Oromo and Somali tribes with intent to destroy those tribes in whole or in part”

A surprise to no-one.

https://twitter.com/simondolan/status/1338463847506714624

301195 ▶▶ leggy, replying to Victoria, #769 of 1822 🔗

It’s worth watching this if you have an hour. Surprised that it’s not been deleted yet.

https://youtu.be/_aEOUXrilhw

301185 Sarigan, replying to Sarigan, 2, #770 of 1822 🔗

The Nastiness of ‘The Good & Virtuous’

https://adapnation.io/the-nastiness-of-the-good-virtuous/

301220 ▶▶ Rosie, replying to Sarigan, 2, #771 of 1822 🔗

Well worth reading, thanks

301186 Victoria, replying to Victoria, 13, #772 of 1822 🔗

‘m sorry, but wearing a mask during a broadcast interview is ridiculous levels of virtue signalling, I can barely hear a word he’s sayi- oh hang on… on second thoughts this is a good thing and in Khan’s case, it’s to be encouraged.

https://twitter.com/darrengrimes_/status/1338448432940380160

301188 ▶▶ kh1485, replying to Victoria, 11, #773 of 1822 🔗

Has he been raiding Nicola’s mask drawer?

301205 ▶▶▶ smileymiley, replying to kh1485, 7, #774 of 1822 🔗

When I first looked I thought you’d written Nicola’s pants drawer! 😱 Ooeer

301213 ▶▶▶▶ kh1485, replying to smileymiley, 3, #775 of 1822 🔗

Well, on first glance, before you open it up, it does look like a pair of pants … Perhaps he’s got a matching pair!

301408 ▶▶▶▶▶ MiriamW-sometimes-AlanG, replying to kh1485, 5, #776 of 1822 🔗

He certainly looks like what he is – a knob. MW

301457 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ kh1485, replying to MiriamW-sometimes-AlanG, #777 of 1822 🔗

It has served one (very valuable) purpose though MW, it has given me a lol moment today and after a bit of a snarkfest with a bonkers customer, I really needed that!

301491 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ MiriamW-sometimes-AlanG, replying to kh1485, 1, #778 of 1822 🔗

Glad to see you can still laugh and even gladder that you’ve been spared the ‘Tier 3’ bollox, kh. MW

301191 ▶▶ DRW, replying to Victoria, 7, #779 of 1822 🔗

Ah the old favourite of “Pressure increases”, Beebspeak for “We want.”

301662 ▶▶▶ Ben, replying to DRW, #780 of 1822 🔗

I don’t have a television. That thought makes me quite happy. The BBC are not getting a penny from me

301209 ▶▶ PatrickF, replying to Victoria, 3, #781 of 1822 🔗

So that’s where my tea cosy went!

301228 ▶▶ stefarm, replying to Victoria, 4, #782 of 1822 🔗

What a fucking abomination (mask and mayor). Absolutely laughable, what a fucking crazy world we are living in.

Haaaaa Haa haaaaa.

301253 ▶▶ DomW, replying to Victoria, 2, #783 of 1822 🔗

“mmh mmmpp phhmmm”

301261 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to Victoria, 3, #784 of 1822 🔗

He has asked for Tier 3, masks outdoors and schools to close.

But is saying the government need to recognise the impact of their move.

Any responsibility in you at all Mr Khan?

301326 ▶▶ Basileus, replying to Victoria, #785 of 1822 🔗

How will we know whether he is lying when we can’t see if his lips are moving?

301391 ▶▶ Major Panic, replying to Victoria, 1, #786 of 1822 🔗

glad to see the prick’s got a sense of humour

301654 ▶▶ Ben, replying to Victoria, #787 of 1822 🔗

Why is Sadiq Khan wearing underwear on his face?

301197 ▶▶ kh1485, replying to arfurmo, 4, #789 of 1822 🔗

And Essex (with the exception of Tendring) apparently. Bastards.

301211 ▶▶▶ Margaret, replying to kh1485, 4, #790 of 1822 🔗

So very sorry kh, I suppose that means you will be closed too.
Forgive them, for they know not what they do.

301217 ▶▶▶▶ FenTyger, replying to Margaret, 5, #791 of 1822 🔗

They know exactly what they do.

301227 ▶▶▶▶ kh1485, replying to Margaret, 10, #792 of 1822 🔗

Thanks Margaret, but I won’t be forgiving these sods (and I’m being polite here) anything, ever. We are considering our options but I can’t articulate just how furious I am right now.

301232 ▶▶▶▶▶ Margaret, replying to kh1485, 3, #793 of 1822 🔗

I was being tongue in cheek kh. They should never be forgiven, ever.

301245 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Rosie, replying to Margaret, 1, #794 of 1822 🔗

That’s no good any longer, Margaret – not possible to tell sarcasm and parody from real any longer 🙁

301259 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ kh1485, replying to Margaret, 2, #795 of 1822 🔗

Sorry Margaret. Reading at speed and didn’t notice the nuance!

301254 ▶▶▶ DocRC, replying to kh1485, 3, #796 of 1822 🔗

According to the Zoe app, Uttlesford is at the same level of symptomatic infections as S, Cambridgeshire and East Herts. Absolutely no justification for tier 3. Not that our MP, the place(wo)man Kemi Badenoch will ever stand up for the people who elected her but will follow the Gov line.

301208 ▶▶ mattghg, replying to arfurmo, 3, #797 of 1822 🔗

FFS the comments sections of these papers are filled with lobotomized sheep.

301196 Pebbles, replying to Pebbles, 8, #798 of 1822 🔗

Does anyone have an update on this one yet:

Prevent any restrictions on those who refuse a Covid-19 vaccination: https://petition.parliament.uk/petitions/323442

If they want all jabs in a centralised system, the only hope is that their sheer incompetence (see Track & Trace et al) will never get us there.

And if they today announce there will be “punishments”… will that help to wake up the people of this country to understand just how much they are being played… read “co-erced”?

Any words from Lord Sumption at all about the Supreme Court wiping Simon Dolan’s case of the table?

301218 ▶▶ Sarigan, replying to Pebbles, 1, #799 of 1822 🔗

It is being debated today:

Prevent any restrictions on those who refuse a Covid-19 vaccination
https://petition.parliament.uk/petitions/323442
Starts at 4.30pm
https://parliamentlive.tv/Event/Index/92da1ad5-8ca7-4126-88bd-bed2b0c744ca

301200 Major Panic, replying to Major Panic, 3, #800 of 1822 🔗

Criky… genwich testing has found 250/100000 people are infected….

Is there a new test that can detect infection?

301207 ▶▶ PatrickF, replying to Major Panic, 5, #801 of 1822 🔗

Yep. It’s the gullible test.

301225 ▶▶ stefarm, replying to Major Panic, 1, #802 of 1822 🔗

Sheep dip

301258 ▶▶ D B, replying to Major Panic, #803 of 1822 🔗

You got a source for this would love to read into it as that’s my borough and I want to e-mail the MP with hell fire and brimstone.

301295 ▶▶▶ Major Panic, replying to D B, #804 of 1822 🔗

its not a reliable source – sky news

301285 ▶▶ A. Contrarian, replying to Major Panic, 1, #805 of 1822 🔗

But but but, it’s catastrophic there! They’re mostly all dead aren’t they?

301203 Bruce Reynolds, replying to Bruce Reynolds, 72, #806 of 1822 🔗

Just got back from my local M and S the one where I pulled the floral blackout stunt, to my surprise they are now selling exemption lanyards on the information counter,”how long have you been selling these ” I asked the assistant”not long she replied” could I have a word with the manager I asked ( the prat I had the run in with) no was her reply ” he’s been in some sort of trouble and moved to another store”.. She could not help but notice the smile of satisfaction on my unmasked face as I left the store…

301224 ▶▶ stefarm, replying to Bruce Reynolds, 24, #807 of 1822 🔗

You are the guv. I take my hat off to you (not that I wear a hat)

301365 ▶▶ Richym99, replying to Bruce Reynolds, 7, #808 of 1822 🔗

When they were first introduced they ran out quickly. Amazed how many appeared around supermarket staff necks.

301464 ▶▶ Sam Vimes, replying to Bruce Reynolds, 4, #809 of 1822 🔗

Once again, arise Sir Bruce.

301798 ▶▶ dommo, replying to Bruce Reynolds, 2, #810 of 1822 🔗

LEGEND!!!

301206 Nobody2020, replying to Nobody2020, 3, #811 of 1822 🔗
  • Painting-by-numbers is a technique whereby pictures are completed based on set numbers representing specific colours.

It feels to me as if the strategy for this virus is something I will term Pandemic-by-numbers and defined as:

  • Pandemic-by-numbers is a strategy whereby interventions are enacted based on numbers.

Funnily enough I found the following definiton of paint-by-numbers online:

https://www.dictionary.com/browse/paint-by-numbers

paint-by-numbers

adjective

formulaic; showing no original thought or creativity

301586 ▶▶ JanMasarykMunich, replying to Nobody2020, 1, #812 of 1822 🔗

Pandemic-by-numbers is a strategy whereby numbers are invented or manipulated in order to justify interventions

301212 Tenchy, replying to Tenchy, 7, #813 of 1822 🔗

Just read this in The Telegraph (my emphasis):

The moves [to inoculate Americans] come just six days after Britain became the first nation in the world to begin rolling out a fully tested vaccine . Since then, a handful of other nations, including Canada and Singapore, have approved the same vaccine.

Fully tested?

301250 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to Tenchy, 2, #814 of 1822 🔗

Phase 4 Trials

301650 ▶▶ Ben, replying to Tenchy, #815 of 1822 🔗

Telegraph are traitors

301215 crimsonpirate, replying to crimsonpirate, 7, #816 of 1822 🔗

so barely two weeks and London is in Tier 3- if that doesn’t work do we go up a tier?

301244 ▶▶ Will, replying to crimsonpirate, 9, #817 of 1822 🔗

It will work because London has achieved endemic equilibrium and this slight rise in “cases” will be dissipated by the immunity of the population. However they will try and make it look as though tier three and mass testing, using lateral flow tests has “reduced cases”…. in other news, farmers are fattening Christmas turkeys by weighing them.

301279 ▶▶▶ crimsonpirate, replying to Will, 2, #818 of 1822 🔗

I’m not too bothered-this is the moment the tiered lockdown jumps the shark-once they show on TV next Saturday the crowds on Oxford and Regent Street it really will be a farce.

301298 ▶▶▶▶ crimsonpirate, replying to crimsonpirate, #819 of 1822 🔗

actually a lockdown protest this Saturday in somewhere busy like Regent Street might be a good idea.

301219 BuildVaccineTrust, 2, #820 of 1822 🔗

People will only get shots if they trust they’re being told everything. Pfizer&FDA admit a risk most haven’t heard. http:// BuildVaccineTrust.com for info&petition. Pin and repost often.

301221 Coronamoana, replying to Coronamoana, 42, #821 of 1822 🔗

It is my birthday today. A friend of 50 years came round to give me a present. I invited her in but she refused saying she didn’t want to test positive. She wished me a happy Christmas and I said I would visit her before then to drop off her present, to which she told me not to bother.

I now feel like I have nothing in common with the majority of my friends.

On a positive note, I went to London yesterday with my daughters to celebrate. We had a lovely lunch at an Italian restaurant followed by drinks and snacks in a hotel rooftop bar.

Despite media reports, Oxford Street was virtually deserted and you would’ve been hard pressed to get within 2 m of anyone as there were so few people around. That is just incredibly sad seeing as it is the penultimate weekend before Christmas. I have a theatre trip planned for next Sunday but I assume that is going to be cancelled. I cannot believe that the government is hellbent on this destructive course of action.

301234 ▶▶ vargas99, replying to Coronamoana, 25, #822 of 1822 🔗

I’ve just got back from London – went to Parliament Square for the protest. Stayed about an hour and a half then walked to Covent Garden for some last minute Christmas shopping. What a dismal and utterly depressing experience. So many boarded up and closed businesses, a fraction of the people out that there should be just 10 days before Christmas and miserable sheeple in their soggy face nappies trudging through the rain.

301256 ▶▶▶ Darryl, replying to vargas99, 18, #823 of 1822 🔗

Completely agree, most Londoners still don’t understand they are destroying their city and country. Incredibly depressing and soulless especially around Whitehall. Yet most apparently support the prophet of doom Mayor Khan still.

301238 ▶▶ Paul, replying to Coronamoana, 19, #824 of 1822 🔗

If people like her think that having no friends nor any meaningful human contact is a good way to live the rest of their lives so be it,let them get on with it,it will be her loss not yours,you have retained your humanity.
Happy birthday too !.

301248 ▶▶ calchas, replying to Coronamoana, 7, #825 of 1822 🔗

Happy Birthday – although I am sure you will have happier ones.

301282 ▶▶ sam, replying to Coronamoana, 4, #826 of 1822 🔗

happy birthday to you too. glad got to celebrate with daughters .i feel the same way my oldest friends i don’t feel like talking to anymore and the feeling seems to be mutual

even more so on their part. is like having no friends all of a sudden , or way less anyway .beofre sometimes would not be friends with a friend but never so many all a t once .

301530 ▶▶ watashi, replying to Coronamoana, 1, #827 of 1822 🔗

Happy birthday!

301642 ▶▶ Ben, replying to Coronamoana, 3, #828 of 1822 🔗

That’s not a friend

301222 NorthumbrianNomad, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, 20, #829 of 1822 🔗

Does anyone seriously believe the government would ever move anywhere down a tier? It’ll just go on and on until the whole country is in Tier 3. They’re just pissing around with cowardly and petty politics. At least they should have the guts to declare a total lockdown.

301241 ▶▶ calchas, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, 13, #830 of 1822 🔗

Maybe keeping people unsure is a feature – not a bug.

301246 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, 9, #831 of 1822 🔗

Their baseline is so out of touch with reality any increase in PCR cases is a red flag to the lockdown bulls. They just can’t reign that in now. They’ve destroyed the critical thinking skills of the population now, pavlovian cues have been activated.

The lateral flow tests might change things as the baseline will be harder to hit. And the sheep will still not get the big takeaways from that event. They’ll have Hancocks “testing drives down cases” mantra to feed that little mouse which turns the wheel for them.

PCR being dismantled seems like the only thing to me that could burst the dam at the moment. Hopefully Eurosurveillance make their decision soon and leads to academic realisation of some home truths as a first brick to fall.

301270 ▶▶▶ DRW, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 4, #832 of 1822 🔗

If Fuellmich succeeds then that will certainly open some PCR floodgates.

301271 ▶▶ Julian, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, 4, #833 of 1822 🔗

They may do some token moving down, to make the theatre slightly more believable.

I think the main thing they definitely won’t do is move a lot of places down to Tier 1 because Tier 1 will be the model for the New Normal – no more crowds anywhere, permanent track and trace, masks, distancing, government regulating who you can meet and where.

301284 ▶▶ DRW, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, 1, #834 of 1822 🔗

Liverpool was moved down as a ‘reward’ for playing ball unlike Manchester.

301230 Dan Clarke, replying to Dan Clarke, 10, #835 of 1822 🔗

Anyone think this government have any say in what is going on? They seem to be following orders and just going through the motions.

301239 ▶▶ calchas, replying to Dan Clarke, 7, #836 of 1822 🔗

It is possible that they have milestones to be reached by a certain date, and have latitude in how to get there.

301262 ▶▶▶ Dan Clarke, replying to calchas, 2, #837 of 1822 🔗

But, it has to be kept a secret, wonder why that is? Wonder where decimate the economy comes in

301266 ▶▶ Julian, replying to Dan Clarke, 1, #838 of 1822 🔗

Following orders from whom? Why would they follow such orders?

301313 ▶▶▶ Rosie, replying to Julian, 3, #839 of 1822 🔗

£££££ and threats
Mostly from China, see Daily Mail and IDS

301236 Major Panic, replying to Major Panic, #840 of 1822 🔗

erm…. do any of the countries on the travel corridor list do mass PCR testing?

301260 ▶▶ Sarigan, replying to Major Panic, 6, #841 of 1822 🔗

They do and many require PCR test to enter country. All my clients that have had tests – all negative. The company I use running at 35CT – funny that.

301278 ▶▶▶ Major Panic, replying to Sarigan, #842 of 1822 🔗

can they do; tests by post, tests to leave quarentine early?

(Few of us goint to Swizerland in Jan skiing)

301357 ▶▶▶▶ Sarigan, replying to Major Panic, 1, #843 of 1822 🔗

Not sure if they are on the ‘approved’ supplier list. I will check. http://www.rightangled.co

HELLO10 for 10% discount.

301373 ▶▶▶▶▶ Major Panic, replying to Sarigan, #844 of 1822 🔗

thanks pal

301372 ▶▶▶ Major Panic, replying to Sarigan, #845 of 1822 🔗

I was assuming the countries on the travel corridor lists had low ‘infection’ rates – and to get low ‘infection’ rates they dont do mass testing, simples – well that is my guess

how much testing in Botswana?

301237 arfurmo, replying to arfurmo, 10, #846 of 1822 🔗

Under the comments to https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8avf2zgjR0U

There is the comment
Vincent Quill
23 minutes ago (edited)
This was The response from WM Police on their FB page..what a joke.
West Mercia Police
We are aware of an incident which occurred at a supermarket in Hereford on 10 December where an arrest was made.
A man was taken into custody following a discussion with officers over the fact he was not wearing a mask. We understand there are concerns over the situation and we accept the officer may have misquoted the legislation, however we are satisfied the officers behaved in a professional and polite manner and acted in accordance with their powers.
The COVID 19 situation is ever changing and we would like to reassure the public that we will be giving the officers further guidance around the current law.
We endeavour to engage with the public first and foremost when there is a breach of the legislation and take enforcement action where necessary and appropriate.
Our first priority it to protect the public and ensure their safety especially in the difficult current circumstances

I’ve gone to https://www.facebook.com/westmerciapolice/ but I can’t find the response as i really can’t believe the bit about “ however we are satisfied the officers behaved in a professional and polite manner and acted in accordance with their powers”. Can anyone find the response or has it already been taken down ? Thanks

301247 ▶▶ Paul, replying to arfurmo, 5, #847 of 1822 🔗

The usual mealy-mouthed police non-apology.There is no ‘officer may have misquoted the legislation’ about it,he did,end of.

301264 ▶▶ Major Panic, replying to arfurmo, 5, #848 of 1822 🔗

That sounds like a dishonest attempt at – ”we fucked up”

the PC was clerly a tosser, but he was a polite tosser and he was being advised by a right cockhead, ‘bronze command’.

Unfortunatly these pethetic excuses of a police force are being encouraged/reacting to the masses of bedwetting rubbish complaining about people who enjoy breathing fresh air.

i’d just have given my name and address and chosen court when the fixed penelty dropped through the door.

pointles arguing with halfwit PCs

(seem to remember the legal advice Law or Fiction was that police officers can ask why you are exempt)

301274 ▶▶▶ mhcp, replying to Major Panic, 1, #849 of 1822 🔗

Yes but you don’t have to give chapter and verse.

301448 ▶▶ Sam Vimes, replying to arfurmo, 1, #850 of 1822 🔗

“The COVID 19 situation is ever changing and we would like to reassure the public that we will be giving the officers further guidance around the current law .”

The last lot said that, too. The current law is the same one we’ve had for yonks (SI 791 from memory?), ie no law about proving exemption, and guidance that says just the opposite. Now fuck off and learn the law, like it was, you know, your job.

301499 ▶▶ Rupertvn, replying to arfurmo, #851 of 1822 🔗

Just written to Campion the P&CC about this as I live outside Hereford. Will post his reply. If I get one.

301242 Biggles, 23, #852 of 1822 🔗

Don’t forget, we’re all in this together.

301249 godowneasy, replying to godowneasy, 41, #853 of 1822 🔗

A tribute to Toby

I have a long-held affection for antique Toby Jugs. A peculiarly English form of pottery, the original Toby Jug, with a brown salt glaze, was developed and popularised by Staffordshire potters in the 1760’s. A Toby Jug, also sometimes known as a Fillpot (or Philpot), is a pottery jug in the form of a seated person, or the head of a recognizable person. Typically the seated figure is a heavy-set, jovial man holding a mug of beer in one hand and a pipe of tobacco in the other and wearing 18th-century attire: a long coat and a tricorn hat.

Before the Rona-bollox, I would probably have steered clear of Toby Young. How things have changed! I take my tricorn hat off and toast him with a pint of ale for all the great work that he and his team have done on LS. Well done and cheers to Toby. Maybe smile a bit more though? I haven’t grovelled too much I hope?

301362 ▶▶ Bill h, replying to godowneasy, 9, #854 of 1822 🔗

Well said my friend.

Mr Young has gone far above and beyond.

A genuine hero.

301745 ▶▶ David Grimbleby, replying to godowneasy, 1, #855 of 1822 🔗

Cheers mate!

301263 Margaret, replying to Margaret, 11, #856 of 1822 🔗

Just think, if Kay Burley had been born a week or so later than she was, she would be celebrating her 60th birthday a week or so later than she did, by that time London would be in tier 3, so she wouldn’t have had anywhere to celebrate her birthday if she wanted to and she wouldn’t be in the mess she is in now.
Such a shame.

301272 ▶▶ Sarigan, replying to Margaret, 8, #857 of 1822 🔗

She is on safari in Africa on full pay (£600k a year) – she won’t give a shit sadly.

301276 ▶▶ Crystal Decanter, replying to Margaret, 5, #858 of 1822 🔗

I hope she gets Ebola

301308 ▶▶ stefarm, replying to Margaret, 3, #859 of 1822 🔗

Anybody as cynical as me might say it was all planned

301318 ▶▶▶ Paul, replying to stefarm, 2, #860 of 1822 🔗

Yes,that’s been my feeling all along.A case of look ‘we’re in this together,even celebrities get punished’.yeah right,bollocks.
Could I be punished by being sent on holiday on full pay please,make it somewhere warm too.

301339 ▶▶▶▶ Sarigan, replying to Paul, 1, #861 of 1822 🔗

I can help you with the holiday, not the full pay bit I am afraid though.

301624 ▶▶ Fiona Walker, replying to Margaret, #862 of 1822 🔗

According to Wikipedia her birthday is 17 December so she was way early. Perhaps she is cleverer than we think!

301275 Sarigan, replying to Sarigan, 13, #863 of 1822 🔗

Ooooo. We have a new variant – more contagious. Of course Matt.

301291 ▶▶ Major Panic, replying to Sarigan, 2, #864 of 1822 🔗

did it emanate fro the Gates London HQ?

301299 ▶▶▶ Sarigan, replying to Major Panic, 2, #865 of 1822 🔗

Matt Handcock just now in Playschool.

301344 ▶▶▶▶ Major Panic, replying to Sarigan, #866 of 1822 🔗

I meant did the new variant emanate from the gates london hq – or maybe its the long lost flu they’v discovered

301636 ▶▶▶ Ben, replying to Major Panic, 2, #867 of 1822 🔗

Everything leads back to Bill Gates. All roads lead to the Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation.

301277 PatrickF, 12, #868 of 1822 🔗

A new variant? Covid-20? New vaccine required? New lockdown assured.

301280 JHuntz, replying to JHuntz, 31, #869 of 1822 🔗

Hancock talking shite

  1. 13% increase in cases (somehow that means doubling???)
  2. Throws Sweden under the bus
  3. NHS straining again. Not like they have had 9 months to prepare
  4. New strain of corona bollocks. Apparently more contagious more likely to kill granny
  5. London into tier 3 for no good reason
  6. More testing required apparently. More magic money tree.

What a load of shite who is buying this.

301323 ▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to JHuntz, 3, #870 of 1822 🔗

No magic money tree. As Wancock is about to find out

301281 calchas, 5, #871 of 1822 🔗

“Epidemiologist pleads with govt, says no ‘excess deaths’ in 2020
Just days after new strict measures were imposed to suppress the spread of Covid-19, an epidemiologist exasperated with the apparent one-track one-size-fits-all approach is calling on the government to lift the restrictions, bringing to bear data showing that Cyprus has experienced no excess deaths in 2020 and that all-cause mortality numbers do not deviate from those of previous years.”

https://cyprus-mail.com/2020/12/13/coronavirus-call-to-president-for-sense-of-perspective/

301283 wat tyler, 12, #872 of 1822 🔗

Me and a friend have just been leafleting three small estates nearby ,we posted about 700 packs .We have a main double sided one which is general anti lockdown ,then an anti the vaccine ,anti the tests and a anti mask one ,so each house gets four leaflets at once .We had a couple of people come out and shout and didn’t want the leaflets but as most the shouting was at my mate i escaped mostly. ( our policy is to just be polite and not engage in argument ,i said to one guy who said he didn’t want it to chuck it in the bin then). There is no point arguing and i also don’t want to speak to the police so its best to keep a low profile .Just at the end a car drew up with a young bloke in ,we had seen him pull out from along the road we had just been ,i thought he may be trouble but he wound the window down and said thanks for the leaflets i’m a 100% on side .That was a great end to the day and gives me hope . I would urge everyone on here to leaflet as its the best way to get a direct message across. Here’s a couple of tips start in the morning as people hearing the letterbox go in the dark evening may get annoyed and also they may be making dinner or relaxing and don’t want to be disturbed .Always mark your streets as you go along so you know where you have been and don’t go over the same area twice ( this can be a problem when you have many people involved) . Anyway good luck everyone .

301286 Andrew K, replying to Andrew K, 5, #873 of 1822 🔗

Fuck fuck fuck. Looks like the leagel fuckwits have already decided that vaccines will be compulsary. Based either on public health or mental health act. Only one hing to do, revolution.
https://committees.parliament.uk/writtenevidence/9253/pdf/

301288 ▶▶ Now More Than Ever, replying to Andrew K, 7, #874 of 1822 🔗

That’s been around a while (was written in July). Doesn’t mean it’s any less likely to be true, but it doesn’t appear to have gained widespread ground.

301375 ▶▶▶ Andrew K, replying to Now More Than Ever, #875 of 1822 🔗

But it sites the Dolan case outcome.

301289 ▶▶ Sarigan, replying to Andrew K, 4, #876 of 1822 🔗

That was advice only from some time back. Not in law yet and I don’t think it will be.

301292 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to Andrew K, 7, #877 of 1822 🔗

This was just evidence provided a few months back discussing the use of mental health legislation to force vaccinations. Isra Black is a labour member. I don’t think it’s gone any further yet. The fact such people can even consider it shows the lengths to which such people are willing to take it.

301320 ▶▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 9, #878 of 1822 🔗

Shows we can no longer trust the medical profession. They are Mengele now.

301631 ▶▶ Ben, replying to Andrew K, #879 of 1822 🔗

If people get injured or die from forced or coerced vaccination there will be riots or a revolution. How the Gov’t has successfully managed to entice so many to take it voluntarily is beyond me.

301287 Al T, replying to Al T, 11, #880 of 1822 🔗

I’m in complete and utter despair listening to this. I really am.

301322 ▶▶ Monty Bodkin, replying to Al T, 18, #881 of 1822 🔗

Me too. I’m so angry after watching Hancock earlier. I came on here, as I always do, to find some sanity and calm me down a little. My elderly parents (my mum has vascular dementia) will now have to spend Christmas on their own. Hancock has just ruined everything. Because he can. I hate that disgusting little Nazi.

301337 ▶▶▶ bluemoon, replying to Monty Bodkin, 19, #882 of 1822 🔗

Ignore the rules, go and see your Mum and give her a hug.

301384 ▶▶▶ Al T, replying to Monty Bodkin, 10, #883 of 1822 🔗

My Mother has dementia. She’ll be coming to mine at Christmas. By next year, she may not know who we are so bollocks to it all.

301348 ▶▶ stevie, replying to Al T, 4, #884 of 1822 🔗

I can’t watch it live, I read the live text summary on Guardian web site

301290 NorthumbrianNomad, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, 65, #885 of 1822 🔗

I’m extremely depressed this evening. I’ve been saying for months that culture, society and the economy are being destroyed but it’s hitting me that it’s actually happening. And that most people don’t care. I had my differences with the world pre-2020 but I will miss it. And I hate this world with a passion, and those who celebrate and advocate it.

301294 ▶▶ Sarigan, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, 28, #886 of 1822 🔗

We care. 100% with you on holding every fucker that supports this to account.

301301 ▶▶ Felice, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, 26, #887 of 1822 🔗

Last weekend, I realised that I was grieving for the life I knew pre covid. It has gone for good. Culture, society and the economy were already changing, but covid has accelerated it immensely. So I know why you are depressed.

301309 ▶▶▶ Tenchy, replying to Felice, 25, #888 of 1822 🔗

No, COVID has not accelerated it. The gits running the country, and the world, have done that.

301345 ▶▶▶▶ Felice, replying to Tenchy, 8, #889 of 1822 🔗

Rebuke accepted. You are SO correct.

301332 ▶▶ DRW, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, 17, #890 of 1822 🔗

I agree with you but I’m not giving in easily, I will keep supporting maskless shopping and putting up posters and stickers. There are still plenty of good people out there I fall asleep thinking of.

301293 p02099003, replying to p02099003, 1, #891 of 1822 🔗

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-55308211 – new variant spreading faster in south east.

301302 ▶▶ A. Contrarian, replying to p02099003, 3, #892 of 1822 🔗

Does that bugger up the vaccine?

If so this really will never end.

301311 ▶▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to A. Contrarian, 14, #893 of 1822 🔗

It ends now. If it’s evolving time to get on with life or starve. No other option.

301336 ▶▶▶ DRW, replying to A. Contrarian, 5, #894 of 1822 🔗

It ends when the people have said it is. Unfortunately this might never happen.

301354 ▶▶▶ stevie, replying to A. Contrarian, 4, #895 of 1822 🔗

Hancock says, as further tests are conducted on the new variant of Covid-19 at Porton Down, it will be seen whether or not it is resistant to the vaccine.
But he says the medical advice is that it is “highly unlikely” that the vaccine won’t work on the new variant.

301435 ▶▶▶▶ Major Panic, replying to stevie, 2, #896 of 1822 🔗

I didn’t realise it worked on the old variant

301604 ▶▶▶▶▶ Pebbles, replying to Major Panic, 2, #897 of 1822 🔗

They are pretending it does while conducting a real-time medical experiment on the entire population. And of course a new variant will be covered by the new vaccine, because they are wonder vaccines remember? The vaccines knows everything in advance… maybe it was made in advance?

301378 ▶▶▶ FlynnQuill, replying to A. Contrarian, #898 of 1822 🔗

What? The vaccine that doesn’t actually do anything.

301303 ▶▶ Recusant, replying to p02099003, 9, #899 of 1822 🔗

Ooooh, spooky. He’s an idea, why don’t we learn to live with it?

301359 ▶▶ FlynnQuill, replying to p02099003, 5, #900 of 1822 🔗

I did predict this around two months ago to my family and friends. Jesus Christ, I must think like these utter scum bags who are doing this to us. I also did say, only mass violence would bring an end this horror. I hope I’m wrong but I’ve been right on every occasion so far.

301297 essex_guy, replying to essex_guy, 16, #901 of 1822 🔗

Essex now tier 3 and a new covid virus. The world needs to wake up before its too late.

301307 ▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to essex_guy, 13, #902 of 1822 🔗

New variant Covid 19. Game over for govt. Either let people get on with lives, or see starvation. Hunger makes people dangerous to authorities, they have nothing to lose.

301312 ▶▶▶ Now More Than Ever, replying to Nick Rose, 4, #903 of 1822 🔗

If only. They will use this to ensure it never ends, particularly when it “emerges” in a few days that it is “inconclusive” whether the vaccine works against it.

301314 ▶▶▶ Dan Clarke, replying to Nick Rose, 6, #904 of 1822 🔗

Hancock is as cocky as ever, he is so into all of this, there is no disrupting his thought pattern

301355 ▶▶ PoshPanic, replying to essex_guy, 6, #905 of 1822 🔗

This in the EADT..

Families with children of secondary school age in in Harlow, Epping, Brentwood, Basildon, Castle Point and Rochford have recently been advised to seek “immediate” testing.

Why, so they can get maximum numberage now and then reduce the testing in a a few weeks?

301305 Dan Clarke, replying to Dan Clarke, 8, #906 of 1822 🔗

Hancock says they’ve now discovered a new strain of the virus, he soaks up everything the covid cartel tell him.

301316 ▶▶ Major Panic, replying to Dan Clarke, 1, #907 of 1822 🔗

well I’ll wait to reject the new vaccine for the new strain

301317 ▶▶▶ Major Panic, replying to Major Panic, 1, #908 of 1822 🔗

does the new strain resemble flu?

301558 ▶▶ Old Bill, replying to Dan Clarke, 1, #909 of 1822 🔗

I didn’t listen to it, did he say that they have discovered a new virus or they have discovered that he is a new virus? Which would you rather have, a new strain of covid or a new strain of Hancocks?

301306 kf99, 2, #910 of 1822 🔗

Good point not made anywhere in MSM (albeit pro-vaccine)

“(the) truth is not that there is a clause in EU regulations that has allowed the UK to behave differently, it is that Brexit has changed attitudes.. . Had the UK still been a member of the EU the Foreign Office would be telling … the prime minister and the cabinet, that we must stick with the European Medicines Agency or it might move its HQ out of London, or we might lose out in other respects in the EU. The British Government would not have dared to think of applying Regulation 174 of the Human Medicine Regulations 2012 – just as no other EU state has done. “

301310 Chloe, replying to Chloe, 20, #911 of 1822 🔗

Was going to go to our local pub in London for Christmas lunch to support them, because I think they’ve been struggling. Just submitted our lunch choices this morning in fact. Not any more – thanks Boris and chums, you’ve probably destroyed thousands more small businesses with this arbitrary and ridiculous tier system.

301343 ▶▶ DRW, replying to Chloe, 7, #912 of 1822 🔗

We’re getting takeaways from ours these days, it’s honestly a must nicer experience not being surrounded by muzzloids.

301509 ▶▶▶ arfurmo, replying to DRW, #913 of 1822 🔗

Muzzloids -like it .

301315 Joseph, replying to Joseph, 19, #914 of 1822 🔗

Oh look, a “new variant” announced almost to the minute of a solar eclipse.

I reckon they have no intention of us ever going back to “normal” – at least not until the small businesses have all been destroyed and bought back for rock bottom prices by billionaires and a massive proportion of the hospitality industry closes down for good.

Billionaires have seen their wealth soar this year. This is a controlled collapse of the economy and a deliberate transfer of wealth into the hands of the already super rich.

301334 ▶▶ Tenchy, replying to Joseph, 3, #915 of 1822 🔗

Spooky – that stuff about the eclipse.

301319 Chris Hume, replying to Chris Hume, 21, #916 of 1822 🔗

Saints alive! They’ve found a ‘new strain’ of Covid, which spreads ‘even faster’. Perfect timing to scare the bejaysus out of everybody in time for Christmas.

301338 ▶▶ FlynnQuill, replying to Chris Hume, 7, #917 of 1822 🔗

Didn’t see that one coming, what a surprise!!!

301340 ▶▶ PoshPanic, replying to Chris Hume, 8, #918 of 1822 🔗

A week after rolling out the poorly tested vaccine that does sweet FA. How convenient.

301371 ▶▶ Crystal Decanter, replying to Chris Hume, 1, #919 of 1822 🔗

Yes it is called Corona Colds #1 #2 #3 and #4

301321 A Heretic, replying to A Heretic, 45, #920 of 1822 🔗

Just had an email from the local council telling us we’re all going to die because:

Too many people are simply not being careful enough.

In particular this is based on a combination of our younger people picking up the virus either in a school or college setting or when hanging about with friends, before then inadvertently infecting their parents or guardians. With that in mind, it really would be helpful if parents could please keep a safe distance apart at the school gate and continue to wear their face covering whilst doing so please.

Individuals not self-isolating when they should be.

Also, the small minority of people who steadfastly refuse to follow all reasonable requests to wear masks, observe simple hand cleaning hygiene and socially distance as best they can at all times to protect others.

There is no easy way to say this, but it needs to be said because it is brutally true, that unless we snap this slipping trend now, an increasing number of our families and friends are going to become extremely ill or die over the course of the next three to four weeks, at precisely the worst time of year

Is there any response to this madness other than “go fuck yourself”?

301325 ▶▶ Tenchy, replying to A Heretic, 10, #921 of 1822 🔗

Your suggested response would be eminently sensible.

301327 ▶▶ JHuntz, replying to A Heretic, 13, #922 of 1822 🔗

Yes, i’d ask where are there sources to support these claims. Looks like unsubstantiated subjective nonsense.

301646 ▶▶▶ Stringfellow Hawke, replying to JHuntz, 5, #923 of 1822 🔗

Agree. At the very least, I can see a formal complaint coming on here, or even charges of malfeasance in public office? unless they can substantiate these let’s face it, serious allegations they are making against people.

301330 ▶▶ Paul, replying to A Heretic, 5, #924 of 1822 🔗

Your considered and careful response would seem entirely appropriate to me.

301342 ▶▶ Ben, replying to A Heretic, 8, #925 of 1822 🔗

Fascistic lies.

The trend they’re talking about is false positive PCR test results, which at the number of cycles the tests are being run at are more likely to produce positive results. Healthy people are being declared unwell

Any council worth its salt would challenge Gov’t advice to use PCR tests.. (Or even tests at all.)

Council officials either know about the controversy surrounding the PCR tests or they don’t. If they do know, then they are complicit in crimes against humanity

301363 ▶▶ Crystal Decanter, replying to A Heretic, 4, #926 of 1822 🔗

“Councillors tongue my anus”
would be my measured response

301366 ▶▶ Two-Six, replying to A Heretic, 9, #927 of 1822 🔗

Councils write this BOLLOCKS because they are very very very very ignorant of any information outside the official bullshit narrative. They are also pretty THICK.They also cannot deviate from the group think.
Bollocks like this is pushed out by an idiot with too much power.

301410 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to A Heretic, 1, #928 of 1822 🔗

Awful stuff. A GFY response would be entirely justified.

Maybe suggests lending a helping hand to violently enforce the rules outside the school gates. All you require is a high viz jacket, face mask and a baseball bat.

301424 ▶▶ Sam Vimes, replying to A Heretic, 2, #929 of 1822 🔗

Having sent the GFY, maybe you could collect the data for ‘the next three to four weeks’ and let us know how many thousands die?

301490 ▶▶ thinkaboutit, replying to A Heretic, #930 of 1822 🔗

Mine would be Shove off, it’s all bollix.

301541 ▶▶ Old Bill, replying to A Heretic, #931 of 1822 🔗

Stop paying your council tax?

301324 godowneasy, replying to godowneasy, 15, #932 of 1822 🔗

New variant – does that mean the vaccines developed so far are, ah hem, a bit useless or have they already been developed with the new variant in mind?

301329 ▶▶ JHuntz, replying to godowneasy, 10, #933 of 1822 🔗

Apparently, the vaccine will be fine for the new virus. How convenient.

301331 ▶▶▶ leggy, replying to JHuntz, 7, #934 of 1822 🔗

Which means existing immunity and cross-immunity are also fine, no?

301333 ▶▶▶ godowneasy, replying to JHuntz, 7, #935 of 1822 🔗

That’s ok then – just seen this: Matt Hancock responds by saying that it is currently being assessed in Porton Down – the UK military’s research base – but the medical advice he has is that it is “highly unlikely” that the new variant will “impinge” the new vaccine and the impact of it.
He says: “We will know that in the coming days and weeks as the new strand is cultured at Porton Down.”

Isn’t Porton Down where you know what was assessed?

301346 ▶▶▶▶ leggy, replying to godowneasy, 3, #936 of 1822 🔗

Porton Down has a pretty dark history of human experiments. I grew up just down the road.

301367 ▶▶▶▶▶ stevie, replying to leggy, 3, #937 of 1822 🔗

Porton Down was the UK germ warfare research establishment.

301618 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ leggy, replying to stevie, 1, #938 of 1822 🔗

It was and still is a lot more than just that.

301361 ▶▶▶▶ Cicatriz, replying to godowneasy, 2, #939 of 1822 🔗

Oh good, we’ve got the champions of weasil-wording on the case: “A coronavirus of a type or related to SARS-CoV-2.

301369 ▶▶▶▶ Norman, replying to godowneasy, 6, #940 of 1822 🔗

It might also be where they tried to develop a vaccine for the common cold for about 40 years to no effect. Is it 30 years since they gave up … I’ve forgotten. To a healthy person, the common cold isn’t very dangerous.

Purely anecdotal – just one person’s experience, and out in the sticks – I shopped at Lidl as usual for a Monday and as fairly often happens the checkout clerk was wearing no mask. Also, just about overheard, an exchange between two of her colleagues including the words

‘… they’re literally preying on people’s ignorance …’.

Whatever could they have been talking about?

Lidl and Aldi could change their signs though from ‘please wear a face mask’ to ‘please wear a face mask unless you are exempt’.

FWIW stores where I’ve had minor run-ins with staff include Sainsbury’s and Morrisons (one each since March). I haven’t visited Tesco or Asda since 2019.

301380 ▶▶▶▶▶ stevie, replying to Norman, 3, #941 of 1822 🔗

I remember hearing of the the common cold research apparently volunteers got a free two weeks holiday at Porton Down.

301506 ▶▶▶▶▶ arfurmo, replying to Norman, 1, #942 of 1822 🔗

I think that if the checkout staff are behind a plastic curtain, they are not required to take the muzzle.

301623 ▶▶▶▶▶ Ben, replying to Norman, 2, #943 of 1822 🔗

Things have changed since then. A sniffle and a cough means a supermarket chain must be put out of business and basic civil liberties must be trashed. Lemsips don’t work anymore

301612 ▶▶▶▶ Ben, replying to godowneasy, 1, #944 of 1822 🔗

Is that where the Skripal malarkey happened (just by coincidence)? They think we’re stupid

301610 ▶▶ Ben, replying to godowneasy, 2, #945 of 1822 🔗

The main symptom is feeling healthy but pissed off. So many people have it

301328 Will, 24, #946 of 1822 🔗

Wow, a new variant which obviously can’t be measured unlike hospital admissions or deaths. They aren’t even pretending to tell the truth.

301335 Bruce Reynolds, replying to Bruce Reynolds, 30, #947 of 1822 🔗

Let’s face it the only way out of this shit show is riots the more violent the better, the anger and hatred is out there to fuel a fight back its just waiting to ignite the sooner the better…

301347 ▶▶ chaos, replying to Bruce Reynolds, 13, #948 of 1822 🔗

You say that.. but even when Blowjob stitches up on Brexit.. yes the ange will be there. But revolution will not be ignited. We’ll moan. Write. Moan. Write comments on websites. Some people will protest and some of those people will get badly treated by the police. Bobaslob will get his marching orders.. but the song will remain the same.

301364 ▶▶▶ Bruce Reynolds, replying to chaos, 9, #949 of 1822 🔗

You could well be right, let’s just see how much the bollocks British stiff upper lip is prepared to endure, the loss of everything no future fuck all, things will get interesting..

301353 ▶▶ DRW, replying to Bruce Reynolds, 4, #950 of 1822 🔗

Unfortunately this may never happen.

301360 ▶▶ Crystal Decanter, replying to Bruce Reynolds, 7, #951 of 1822 🔗

When people start to go hungry – that is when it starts (see Arab Spring)

301387 ▶▶ Darryl, replying to Bruce Reynolds, 10, #952 of 1822 🔗

The establishment wins with riots – the TSG officers would happily beat people to death if given orders as would many other police officers (just look at the footage from earlier today), also sadly not convinced the military wouldn’t fire on their own people anymore (I have always respected the UK military).

Peaceful resistance and mass non-compliance is what I would hope for, it isn’t asking much for people to just behave like they did in February, or have they been brainwashed to the point of no return?

301405 ▶▶▶ Andrew K, replying to Darryl, 1, #953 of 1822 🔗

A cousin of my wife had their school entrance exam, one of the subjects they had to write about was entitled.something like “what justification can be used for the military to use force on its own people” WTF.

301417 ▶▶▶ Bruce Reynolds, replying to Darryl, 4, #954 of 1822 🔗

Yes your comment does have merit one things for certain something needs to happen and happen quick.. having been involved in picket line battles and poll tax riots i think they do at times serve their purpose.

301440 ▶▶▶ Jonathan Palmer, replying to Darryl, 6, #955 of 1822 🔗

Not enough TSG and the average political correct police officer wouldn’t be much good in a fight.
Enough numbers would do the trick

301978 ▶▶▶▶ Borisbullshit, replying to Jonathan Palmer, 1, #956 of 1822 🔗

I was stopped by a copper in May for sitting on the grass having a drink as a break from my bike ride. He was a skinny short arse…I could have beat the shit out of him if push came to shove. They are just not built like they used to be.

301484 ▶▶▶ thinkaboutit, replying to Darryl, 6, #957 of 1822 🔗

Mass non mask wearing and examples of normal life e.g mass singing of carols.
Also taking the complete pi$$ out of Hancock et al. Mock the life out of them. Total attack on the twofaced MSM.

301350 Sarigan, 29, #958 of 1822 🔗

Pesky small businesses are hanging on much longer than we anticipated. What else do we have left in the locker?

New variant?

Sounds good, not used that one effectively yet.

301351 Dan Clarke, 19, #959 of 1822 🔗

Hancock, when asked about the safety of the vaccination ‘just look at the faces of those vaccinated and you can see what it means’, he is officially bonkers

301356 Crystal Decanter, replying to Crystal Decanter, 8, #960 of 1822 🔗

Probably at least another 5 Corona’s doing the rounds in the wild on top of the 4 Corona Colds.
Never tested for them before so not a surprise they are finding them everywhere
Rebranded as Covid naturally

301397 ▶▶ A. Contrarian, replying to Crystal Decanter, 3, #961 of 1822 🔗

Yes, there are lots of “unidentifiable” viruses doing the rounds at all times. No one ever cared before now.

301358 Margaret, 9, #962 of 1822 🔗

Lending half an ear to Handjob speaking on TV in another room ( well some of us have to so we can report back here)

Heard what sounded like an old biddy chuntering on about the LF tests in Liverpool and how they hadn’t picked up a lot of people who might be infectious. She referred to a report from the University of Liverpool, my alma mater. She was suggesting that the PCR “test” is used instead of the LFT-I thought that the positives from the LFTs were given the PCR as well anyway?

This is the problem for the government. The PCR process will find Corona virus in every one of us should the number of cycles be high enough and if they tested us all. The LF tests were sent into Liverpool to bring down the numbers and they are now being introduced into fifty other areas including my own city, where I look forward to a sharp decline in the numbers testing positive.

Liverpool is now in tier two and doesn’t seem to be suffering as a result, in terms of “infections”, hospital capacity etc.

I am sure that Handjob really wanted to say “If we use PCR, we get far too many people testing positive, by using LFT, we bring the numbers down like magic”
but he couldn’t say that could he?

301370 TheBigman, replying to TheBigman, 3, #963 of 1822 🔗

Anyone know what’s happened to Talk Radio’s youtube channel? Can’t see anything uploaded in the last week

301382 ▶▶ JHuntz, replying to TheBigman, 2, #964 of 1822 🔗

Im listening to it live now. Still running.

301402 ▶▶▶ TheBigman, replying to JHuntz, 1, #965 of 1822 🔗

On YouTube though? I don’t sign in to an account though and it normally doesn’t matter

301413 ▶▶▶▶ Paulus, replying to TheBigman, #966 of 1822 🔗

There has been a global outage, may have something to do with that. Mind I suppose it could be some kind of virus, will email Matt!

301403 ▶▶▶ Ewan Duffy, replying to JHuntz, 1, #967 of 1822 🔗

The livestream is there – however, the individual segments of different shows/interviewees are not being loaded.

301420 ▶▶▶▶ Basics, replying to Ewan Duffy, 3, #968 of 1822 🔗

Its time to move on from youtube. Support the move by considering and publicising alternative sources for the same videos. Canny youtubers are already off to new places we can easily adopt a practice of visiting various platforms.

301436 ▶▶▶▶ TheBigman, replying to Ewan Duffy, #969 of 1822 🔗

Ah, perhaps that’s it

301515 ▶▶ wat tyler, replying to TheBigman, 1, #970 of 1822 🔗

It has a technical problem and hasn’t loaded videos on youtube since the 7th but for some reason they can be seen on twitter and facebook .

301546 ▶▶▶ kf99, replying to wat tyler, #971 of 1822 🔗

Thanks. Twitter ones seem shorter though, hope it’s fixed soon, I’m missing the ‘regulars’.

301374 George Mc, 19, #972 of 1822 🔗

Am I hallucinating? I’m sure I caught the news from London and the little banner along the bottom said:

“New coronavirus rules. No meeting indoors. No meeting outdoors.”

Well let’s check:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-55306928

“One MP said they were told that cases are doubling every seven days in the capital.”

Well now that we know how the magic PCR test works I.e. checks for Coca Cola content, this is certainly devastating news.

And there it is:

“You cannot mix indoors, in private gardens or in most outdoor venues, except with your household or bubble”

Admittedly not quite as draconian as on the TV banner but then that banner is what many will see and reach the extreme conclusion I reached.

Oh let’s cut the crap! Surely nobody is fooled by this anymore? Everyone knows this COVID talk is simply the cover language which everyone must abide by while the news is effectively blacked out and vast changes are furtively edged in while everyone feels compelled, under the most extreme moral coercion, NOT to depart from the virus song.

301376 captainbeefheart, replying to captainbeefheart, 26, #973 of 1822 🔗

Just been told by a friend that London is going tier 3 because of a new strain has been found.

This could have never been predicted that this would happen by anyone ever.

I suppose the only sensible thing to do is to lock down until there are no cold or flu (or any other) viruses whatsoever.

One way that this could be achieved would be to kill the entire human race. Maybe that’s the reasoning behind these policies.

It would be selfish not to!

Maybe a new government advertising campaign is needed…

“I’m killing myself to protect government pension funds, the NHS and the environment”

301383 ▶▶ Ben, replying to captainbeefheart, 25, #974 of 1822 🔗

There will always be new strains – because: nature.

This particular strain is called fascism

301394 ▶▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to Ben, 8, #975 of 1822 🔗

Scottish health minister was claiming Scotland had defeated 300 strains of coronavirus last week.

What is Hancock lying about now?

301392 ▶▶ TheBigman, replying to captainbeefheart, 9, #976 of 1822 🔗

The vaccine will create new mutations. That’s the point.
If this was about reason and “the science” it would have ended in April at the latest.

Welcome to the beginning of the NWO. Anyone who thinks otherwise should do some reading

301421 ▶▶▶ Jonathan Palmer, replying to TheBigman, 7, #977 of 1822 🔗

Exactly and there are still people on here who believe this is all about government incompetence and arse covering.They are writing the blogs as well.

301479 ▶▶ Laura Suckling, replying to captainbeefheart, 6, #978 of 1822 🔗

I was trying to think of a slightly amusing response to your post but my sense of humour has now deserted me.

The fact is, they are killing people by preventing them from earning a living, disregarding any illness other than Covid and subjecting children and the elderly to the horrors of psychological damage from lack of social contact.

We cannot prevent death. Unfortunately, by attempting the impossible the idiots in charge have turned our society into a nightmare of previously unimaginable horrors.

301377 Sarigan, replying to Sarigan, 6, #979 of 1822 🔗

kh1485 – is there anything we can do to help here in terms of takeaway/delivery?

301423 ▶▶ kh1485, replying to Sarigan, 6, #980 of 1822 🔗

That’s so kind Sarigan, thank you. Just been told that our area has been spared. Not what I read on the BBC – it stated an hour ago that only one area in the whole of Essex was apparently not going into Tier 3. Bloody BBC. Apologies for the misinformation. Thanks kh.

301441 ▶▶▶ Sarigan, replying to kh1485, 1, #981 of 1822 🔗

Great news (of sorts as the madness continues). So happy you have been spared tier 3

301444 ▶▶▶▶ kh1485, replying to Sarigan, 2, #982 of 1822 🔗

Thanks. Still angry for all the others who are afflicted by this madness.

301450 ▶▶▶▶ Andrew K, replying to Sarigan, #983 of 1822 🔗

Hi Sarigan did you get my email over the weekend?

301446 ▶▶▶ DocRC, replying to kh1485, #984 of 1822 🔗

Uttlesford spared until the next review…which unfortunately is on Wednesday! Pretty sure Hancock’s new variant will have spread here by then!

301542 ▶▶▶▶ kh1485, replying to DocRC, #985 of 1822 🔗

Yes, if we are not good girls and boys …

301512 ▶▶▶ Margaret, replying to kh1485, 1, #986 of 1822 🔗

That’s good news kh. I’m delighted for you.

301379 nickbowes, replying to nickbowes, 15, #987 of 1822 🔗

There needs to be a true political opposition (is the best we can do really Reform UK and Laurence Fox ??) and there needs to be serious riots aimed at the politicized police forces esp the Met . Soon speakeasy culture is to make a come back and pubs are to be open to those who can be trusted, it is the only way now for their survival. Sad state of affairs when the Government and official opposition of the day are singing only off the hymn sheets of globalist billionaires and technocrats .

301389 ▶▶ Ben, replying to nickbowes, 2, #988 of 1822 🔗

They would need to be politicians who are immune to bribes, blackmail and coercion.

301381 Ben, replying to Ben, 30, #989 of 1822 🔗

If the BBC (truly) cared about the nation’s health it would perform scientific experiments to ascertain whether or not face masks were harmful to the wearer.

I struggle with masks and I notice they get very damp in cold weather, which reminded me of a quote from Dr Fauci who said that after half an hour the moisture and warmth from the breath against face masks causes mold spores to grow. I tried to find the article and I was directed to a link on an American doctor’s site, but the Internet had removed it. I saw another article which I clicked on and WordPress had removed that one too. I was offered multiple fact-checker links which I declined.

It feels like a massive cyber book burning event is in play. Not a single Western politician can tell us that we have a democracy and freedom of speech – we don’t.

I still want to know *definitively* if face masks are harmful. They cannot be healthy.

301388 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to Ben, 8, #990 of 1822 🔗

Check out Dr Vernon Colemans free book on masks. It’s got everything you need in terms of referenced information on masks. Just visit his website

301390 ▶▶▶ Ben, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 3, #991 of 1822 🔗

Thank you

301429 ▶▶▶ Dan Clarke, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 13, #992 of 1822 🔗

So wearing masks has done nothing to stop the NEW VARIANT

301467 ▶▶▶▶ annie, replying to Dan Clarke, 5, #993 of 1822 🔗

Call for NEW VARIANT MASKS.
New variant lies, more like.

301477 ▶▶▶▶▶ MiriamW-sometimes-AlanG, replying to annie, 7, #994 of 1822 🔗

I’m going to carry on wearing my magic invisible mask – anyone who believes all this bullshit will have no trouble seeing that I’m wearing it. MW

301630 ▶▶▶▶▶ Alethea, replying to annie, #995 of 1822 🔗

But Annie, you must continue to wear your old variant mask as well. One on top of the other; better safe than sorry.

301632 ▶▶ Marialta, replying to Ben, 3, #996 of 1822 🔗

If you struggle with a mask why wear one? Have you a particular problem with going maskless? You can always get a lanyard on internet and show if bullied.

301385 Smelly Melly, replying to Smelly Melly, 22, #997 of 1822 🔗

Viruses mutating? Well I never. I’m no expert but I understand that RNA isn’t very good at replicating itself, hence the variations. One of the reasons why vaccines are unlikely to work because by the time a vaccine is developed the virus has moved on and mutated into some other variation. So we’re in this madness forever and the sheeple will believe there is now super Covid to be followed by super duper covid, to be followed by super super duper covid etc.

301396 ▶▶ Gerry Mandarin, replying to Smelly Melly, 3, #998 of 1822 🔗

It changes fractionally a least every time it enters a new host as it has to use the new hosts dna, something like that anyway.

301522 ▶▶ Old Bill, replying to Smelly Melly, 3, #999 of 1822 🔗

No worries though because we can have super lockdown followed by super duper lockdown followed by super super duper lockdown and we will all be SAFE.

Isn’t government wonderful, the gift that goes on giving.

301386 TyRade, replying to TyRade, 18, #1000 of 1822 🔗

‘new variant’ – especially threatening to south east, comes out of the air, spreads panic…maybe a doodlebug? Handcock monitoring the Luftwaffe? To the shelters! Loose breathing costs lives! They don’t like it up ’em (or something).

301447 ▶▶ awildgoose, replying to TyRade, 7, #1001 of 1822 🔗

Look!

A miasma hanging in the phlogiston!

301462 ▶▶▶ annie, replying to awildgoose, 2, #1002 of 1822 🔗

It’s nowt but the ether.

301514 ▶▶ A. Contrarian, replying to TyRade, 1, #1003 of 1822 🔗

It will move to the North for spring, just as we come out of lockdown 3.

301393 Dan Clarke, replying to Dan Clarke, 19, #1004 of 1822 🔗

Hancock listens to nothing, he is presented with some fairly intelligent questions in Parliament and ignores them all, he needs to be removed but the globalists are pulling his and all of the western leaders strings.

301404 ▶▶ Major Panic, replying to Dan Clarke, 5, #1005 of 1822 🔗

he didn’t understand the questions – they were intelegent

301475 ▶▶ Liz F, replying to Dan Clarke, 6, #1006 of 1822 🔗

He’s only programmed to say a few words. I think they’d have to fit bigger batteries if he was expected to answer intelligent questions

301575 ▶▶ peter, replying to Dan Clarke, 3, #1007 of 1822 🔗

I’d pay big money to get him alone down a dark alley.

301395 Country Mumkin, replying to Country Mumkin, 26, #1008 of 1822 🔗

Anyone else piss themselves laughing at the new Covid strain? I’m surprised Hancock can keep a straight face.

301399 ▶▶ Jonathan Palmer, replying to Country Mumkin, 2, #1009 of 1822 🔗

He couldn’t watching the 2nd vaccine take place.

301401 ▶▶ Laura Suckling, replying to Country Mumkin, 5, #1010 of 1822 🔗

Gotta keep that fear going.

301409 ▶▶ Major Panic, replying to Country Mumkin, 11, #1011 of 1822 🔗

it is a wonder of science that prof Handycock van be so confident that the new strain (long lost flu) is covered by the old strain vaccine

301414 ▶▶ DRW, replying to Country Mumkin, 3, #1012 of 1822 🔗

Surprised they haven’t tried claiming to have found a “deadlier mutation” yet

301419 ▶▶▶ Laura Suckling, replying to DRW, 6, #1013 of 1822 🔗

Give them time.

301577 ▶▶ Pebbles, replying to Country Mumkin, #1014 of 1822 🔗

A new strain of bullshit… it’s straining watching this crap actually being peddled in th media without anyone calling this out for what it is.

301923 ▶▶ Cranmer, replying to Country Mumkin, #1015 of 1822 🔗

I heard it on the car radio and was laughing so much I nearly crashed.

301398 GiftWrappedKittyCat, replying to GiftWrappedKittyCat, 46, #1016 of 1822 🔗

Does anyone else think that this ‘new strain’ of the virus blamed for putting London into tier 3 is just a little too convenient? Strangely enough, this new strain doesn’t cause a worse illness or will not respond to the vaccine (how do they know??) Isn’t the flu vaccine altered each year according to different viral strains? I smell yet more bullshit.

301406 ▶▶ stefarm, replying to GiftWrappedKittyCat, 6, #1017 of 1822 🔗

Beat me to it 👆 👆 👆 👆

301407 ▶▶▶ GiftWrappedKittyCat, replying to stefarm, 5, #1018 of 1822 🔗

Great minds! 😀

301430 ▶▶ OKUK, replying to GiftWrappedKittyCat, 11, #1019 of 1822 🔗

I’ve asked the question before and never got a satisfactory answer: when does a mutation become a variation, become a strain, become a novel pathogen? Is there an answer or is it all in the eye of the beholder, the scientist staring down the microscope? I read early in 2020 that Icelandic researchers had found thousands of variations. I also read that every individual who is infected produces large number of mutations.

301443 ▶▶ awildgoose, replying to GiftWrappedKittyCat, 2, #1020 of 1822 🔗

Does this mean all the existing vax are rendered moot?

301594 ▶▶ Ben, replying to GiftWrappedKittyCat, 3, #1021 of 1822 🔗

It’s a new strain that requires the donning of not just a face mask but a balaclava – because it’s so deadly.

I expect to see Sadiq Khan masked up in a full face balaclava and holding a trident in all future press briefings

301400 stefarm, replying to stefarm, 13, #1022 of 1822 🔗

So the new fart to hide the vaccine fart is the new variant of lurgy fart all from the skidmark handcock.

Absolute vaudeville, this really is the new panto.

Cracking UK column today!

301412 ▶▶ Jonathan Palmer, replying to stefarm, 4, #1023 of 1822 🔗

What real journalism looks like.

301456 ▶▶ Liz F, replying to stefarm, 2, #1024 of 1822 🔗

All this farting is a sure sign there’s a big turd on the way. Lockdown 3 anyone?

301480 ▶▶▶ stefarm, replying to Liz F, 1, #1025 of 1822 🔗

I would not be surprised to see masks mandated indoors and outdoors with no excemptions.

301574 ▶▶▶▶ OKUK, replying to stefarm, 1, #1026 of 1822 🔗

And for North Sea divers when submerged. Let’s not leave them out of the equation.

301559 ▶▶▶ OKUK, replying to Liz F, 1, #1027 of 1822 🔗

Turd…strain…there must pun one could squeeze out of that.

301411 OKUK, replying to OKUK, 23, #1028 of 1822 🔗

You won’t be reading about this on the BBC site. Sopel, Zurcher and Bryant are nonjournos, Dem-supporting political activists. They will bury this if they can but if they have to mention it, they’ll use whatever angle the Dems are running with to discredit this.

A judge in Michigan has approved release of the content of an independent forensic examination of 16 Dominion voting machines.

You can find the details on the Emerald Robinson twitter account.

The expert forensic examination found that the machines were displaying or generating incredibly high “error rates” (68%, as opposed to the upper limit required in the regulations, which was a tiny fraction of 1%!!!). The huge error rate would allow them to secretly bring in vast numbers of ballots for secret ajudication and flip them if necessary.

(I have read elsewhere the claim is that the secret adjudication fraud took place off American soil in Spain and Germany.)

This is the most outrageous fraud ever perpetrated. It can’t be allowed to stand by the Supreme Court.

301426 ▶▶ Andrea Salford, replying to OKUK, 12, #1029 of 1822 🔗

Thank you for keeping track of this and finding good sources. It’s appalling that we have to dig so deep for the truth since we aren’t getting any in the news. So much for us depends on the Trump win.

301453 ▶▶▶ OKUK, replying to Andrea Salford, 8, #1030 of 1822 🔗

I believe so, like him or not. The evidence is all out now there now in plain sight night:

– Horrendous levels of traditional fraud.

– This new damning evidence of machine fraud.

– Damning evidence of Chinese (CCP) infiltration and influence.

– And of course we know here how the lockdown-mask regime is being used for political advantage. In the US it was used to provide justification for massive mail ballot shots and for excluding observers from proper sight of the count.

301597 ▶▶▶▶ Stringfellow Hawke, replying to OKUK, #1031 of 1822 🔗

Apologies if you posted this elsewhere OKUK, Michigan also trying to destroy any audit trail!
https://twitter.com/JohnBasham/status/1335294364843696133

301434 ▶▶ DRW, replying to OKUK, 3, #1032 of 1822 🔗

I’m not optimistic though after they refused to consider the last challenge.

301633 ▶▶▶ OKUK, replying to DRW, 1, #1033 of 1822 🔗

True. It was an apalling decision, I’m still not sure what the logic was.

SCOTUS can’t keep this at arms length. Are they really saying it’s a constitutional right of the states to run fraudulent and corrupt elections? If so that denies the whole basis of the Constitution and woukd be the end of democracy in the USA.

301455 ▶▶ mhcp, replying to OKUK, 3, #1034 of 1822 🔗

I’ve been watching. Mostly the War Room. The fact that people today could sign off electorial votes knowing there is fraud, as in Georgia with underage and out of state voters, is itself a crime.

This is going to be some week.

301536 ▶▶▶ chris, replying to mhcp, 2, #1035 of 1822 🔗

I have followed this story for some years. Q has shown the corruption and links to Chyna. 6 years ago, after Obama acted to prevent the military from taking the war to the terrorists, the US military intelligence started the programme to retake the US from corrupted democrats, judges,bug tech, pharma etc (deep state). Initially they were going to use martial law but Trump was used and he won.

Trump is not in charge. US military intelligence is in charge. If the conventional route through the Courts fails expect the US military to decide if their country should be stolen. Its a big step but 74 million Trump voters will be very happy. Who can stop the US military? Only Chyna.

301625 ▶▶▶▶ OKUK, replying to chris, 1, #1036 of 1822 🔗

There is some strong evidence that Military Intelligence backed Trump.

Trump can declare martial law.

Another possibility is that Trump electors are going to present themselves to the Electoral College as the valid electors. What if VP Mike Pence were to reject the Biden certifications and call on the states to order independent forensic examination of their machines. All hell would break but I think there might be a consensus about that among Americans.

301671 ▶▶ Major Panic, replying to OKUK, #1037 of 1822 🔗

Biden = bad news
and I’m not Trump fan

301790 ▶▶ dommo, replying to OKUK, 1, #1038 of 1822 🔗

you’re a good lad OKUK

301415 swedenborg, replying to swedenborg, 6, #1039 of 1822 🔗

https://promedmail.org/promed-post/?id=20201213.8015608 From Utah. First ever detection of Sars-Cov2 in wild minks. Earlier only in farmed minks like in Spain,US, Netherlands and Denmark. A blow to zero covid fanatics. Spread in wild animals uncontrollable. Can they spread mutated strains interfering with the vaccine?  Millions of farmed minks culled didn’t solve the problem

301437 ▶▶ leggy, replying to swedenborg, 1, #1040 of 1822 🔗

Better vaccinate all wildlife just to be sure then! Actually, I shouldn’t give them ideas…

301507 ▶▶▶ Old Bill, replying to leggy, 3, #1041 of 1822 🔗

Great Idea! What was it caused the real plague (as opposed to the imaginary one)? Fleas on rats wasn’t it? So we had better vaccinate all them as well. Good luck calculating the dose and getting them to sit still while you give them their jab.

Still, if it saves one life.

301552 ▶▶ Ben, replying to swedenborg, 1, #1042 of 1822 🔗

I don’t believe any of this garbage. I’m guessing share values in mink furs have dipped

301416 Freecumbria, replying to Freecumbria, 7, #1043 of 1822 🔗

Francois Balloux on the new variant

https://twitter.com/BallouxFrancois/status/1338514626531700739

[Hancock] Was likely referring to the preprint below when talking about a new ‘super-apocalyptic-mutated-strain’ in the UK. If so, nothing to worry about. I pasted below the ‘caveat section’ at the top of the preprint that some might have overlooked

301422 ▶▶ Andrew K, replying to Freecumbria, #1044 of 1822 🔗

Facemask animals

301439 ▶▶ awildgoose, replying to Freecumbria, 5, #1045 of 1822 🔗

“super-apocalyptic-mutated-strain”

Let’s all panic and create mass hysteria over cold and flu season again!

301454 ▶▶▶ Freecumbria, replying to awildgoose, 5, #1046 of 1822 🔗

I can’t bear to watch Hancock. Was Francois Balloux really correctly quoting him there?

301487 ▶▶▶▶ PoshPanic, replying to Freecumbria, 1, #1047 of 1822 🔗

I think he might of been taking the piss

301516 ▶▶▶▶▶ Freecumbria, replying to PoshPanic, #1048 of 1822 🔗

Thanks. I thought so, but you never know these days!

301582 ▶▶ Ben, replying to Freecumbria, #1049 of 1822 🔗

I hope J B Fourtillan is OK

301418 Achilles, replying to Achilles, 22, #1050 of 1822 🔗

Meet the new strain, same as the old strain.

301425 ▶▶ Luckyharry69, replying to Achilles, 2, #1051 of 1822 🔗

we still get fooled again….lol

301431 ▶▶ HelenaHancart, replying to Achilles, 5, #1052 of 1822 🔗

Classic lines from The WHO, no less!

301432 ▶▶ Andrew K, replying to Achilles, 7, #1053 of 1822 🔗

Those leaked Canadian papers talked about Covid-21 to help the vaccination program, hell they weren’t wrong about lockdown 2 and 3 and just a month out if now they’re using a new strain to say, “back to square one again”

301452 ▶▶▶ Jonathan Palmer, replying to Andrew K, #1054 of 1822 🔗

I’ve been following that leaked paper.Its all coming to pass

301463 ▶▶▶▶ Andrew K, replying to Jonathan Palmer, 1, #1055 of 1822 🔗

Do you still have a copy or an uncensored link to those papers?

301602 ▶▶▶▶▶ leggy, replying to Andrew K, 1, #1056 of 1822 🔗

I think this is it – https://archive.is/wWk8N

301442 ▶▶ Ricky R, replying to Achilles, 4, #1057 of 1822 🔗

Is this the pattern for the rest of time? Lockdown 4 vaccine – vaccine successful – new strain – lockdown 4 vaccine.

301449 ▶▶▶ Luckyharry69, replying to Ricky R, 12, #1058 of 1822 🔗

Yes
This has been planned for years……..where do white British males congregate and TALK?…..sport?…pubs?….its not coincidence……..

301471 ▶▶▶▶ stefarm, replying to Luckyharry69, 9, #1059 of 1822 🔗

Pub = Public house can’t have people meeting can we.

301578 ▶▶▶ RickH, replying to Ricky R, 1, #1060 of 1822 🔗

Exactly – it’s an infinitely renewable golden ticket.

301466 ▶▶ Old Normal, replying to Achilles, 13, #1061 of 1822 🔗

I’ve read numerous times that there are hundreds of strains. Seems a coincidence that the ‘discovery’ of this one comes on the day London gets announced as going into Tier 3.

Also, the vaccine will help with this strain despite it not being proven to stop infection or transmission of the original strain.

Do we even know which strain the vaccine is targeted at? If it’s anything like flu, they just make an educated guess and hope for the best.

To sum up: absolute bollocks!

301472 ▶▶▶ nottingham69, replying to Old Normal, 10, #1062 of 1822 🔗

Fair summary. Whitty’s boys can feed any shit to Hancock and he buys it 100%.

301511 ▶▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to nottingham69, #1063 of 1822 🔗

I don’t think Hamcock pays for it ……..

301503 ▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Achilles, 1, #1064 of 1822 🔗

But according to Uncle Bill, we won’t miss the next one ….

301520 ▶▶ Silke David, replying to Achilles, 2, #1065 of 1822 🔗

BBC trying very hard to stoke fear.
When you read the article, they are trying very hard to make the impression it is “more dangerous”, at the same time they admit nothing is known and (sadly for them) it does not seem to cause more hospitalisation or deaths.

301428 John Stone, 8, #1066 of 1822 🔗

My letter in BMJ on-line today
Re: Conflicts of interest among the UK government’s covid-19 advisers Re: Conflicts of interest among the UK government’s covid-19 advisers Paul D Thacker. 371:doi 10.1136/bmj.m4716
Dear Editor
Andrew Bamji writes [1]:
“So many experts now give advice to pharmaceutical companies that it can be very difficult to avoid apparent conflicts of interest, I am not sure that it matters, so long as the experts can divorce themselves from any vested interest, but others will have a different view, not least because confirmation bias is almost inevitable”
I think maybe there are several levels of conflict [2]. Perhaps, in some cases disclosure is satisfactory but in others the conflict may be such as it ought not to be allowed to happen. It may be that conflicts are so institutionally entrenched that they become apparently invisible (as for example the MHRA’s financial dependence on industry [3]). Then we have officials who are so associated with policy that it is impossible for them ever to consider they may have been wrong.
Also there is the government’s long term relationship with bodies like GAVI and individuals like Bill Gates [4] which have no definable responsibility to the British people.

[1] Andrew N Bamji, ‘ Re: Conflicts of interest among the UK government’s covid-19 advisers’, 11 December 2020, https://www.bmj.com/content/371/bmj.m4716/rr-0
[2] Paul D Thacker, ‘Conflicts of interest among the UK government’s covid-19 advisers’, BMJ 2020; 371 doi: https://doi.org/10.1136/bmj.m4716 (Published 09 December 2020)
[3] John Stone, ‘Is the MHRA independent?’, 4 December 2020, https://www.bmj.com/content/371/bmj.m4654/rr-9
[3] Paul D Thacker, ‘Conflicts of interest among the UK government’s covid-19 advisers’, BMJ 2020; 371 doi: https://doi.org/10.1136/bmj.m4716 (Published 09 December 2020)
[4’ Boris Johnson, ‘ Prime Minister’s speech to United Nations General Assembly: 26 September 2020’ , https://www.gov.uk/government/speeches/prime-ministers-speech-to-un-gene

301433 NickR, replying to NickR, 7, #1067 of 1822 🔗

Hancock says ‘cases’ in London increasing fast. Well, is that true? I wish these people would actually show their data, because according to the latest published data it’s pretty well flatlining. Are they doing more tests?

301451 ▶▶ DRW, replying to NickR, 6, #1068 of 1822 🔗

Just like the Liverpool campaign, timed to perfection so they can claim some “success”

301483 ▶▶ Steve Martindale, replying to NickR, 12, #1069 of 1822 🔗

Hopefully, unless they have to for work or medical reasons, the savvy street wise folk of London will avoid the test centres like the plague from now on. I know that a lot of tests are of people who are obliged to be tested but there must still be a lot that are voluntary, why would you do that? To my mind getting tested when you do not have to is a bit like Lemmings throwing themselves off the cliff.

301486 ▶▶ PoshPanic, replying to NickR, 10, #1070 of 1822 🔗

Posted this further down..

Families with children of secondary school age in in Harlow, Epping, Brentwood, Basildon, Castle Point and Rochford have recently been advised to seek “immediate” testing.

They’re up shit creek without a paddle and are desperately trying to create false waves through increased testing in locked down areas, which then subside.

301517 ▶▶ Ben, replying to NickR, 7, #1071 of 1822 🔗

As usual, no one’s asking what ‘cases’ are, and Sky News’ Kay Burley has fled to Africa. Most likely a luxury resort in lockdown-free Tanzania; waited on hand and foot by an army of staff in recognition for her services to Bill Gates, the banks and pharma and tech industries. A complimentary bottle of champagne from Klaus Schwab

301438 Ricky R, replying to Ricky R, 32, #1072 of 1822 🔗

Was due to visit a friend in the Netherlands in the new year, sadly going to be a miss as they are going into a full lockdown till the 19th of January, which is very likely to be extended. Why are they doing this? They resisted hard lockdown in March and October. Is something fishy going on or is it just panic.

Very tired now. Just want my old life back.

301458 ▶▶ DRW, replying to Ricky R, 5, #1073 of 1822 🔗

Same with me and others Ricky. Sorry to hear about that, let’s hope you will eventually get to go.

301461 ▶▶ Nottingham69, replying to Ricky R, 4, #1074 of 1822 🔗

Orders from Germany? Merkel won’t let it go will she?

301498 ▶▶ watashi, replying to Ricky R, 1, #1075 of 1822 🔗

same here!

301505 ▶▶ Ben, replying to Ricky R, 4, #1076 of 1822 🔗

So The Netherlands has embraced fascism.. Interesting

Will no one question why the virus is on leave until the 19th of January? How many Dutch politicians realise they’re imposing fascism on the people?

301534 ▶▶ Darryl, replying to Ricky R, 10, #1077 of 1822 🔗

It’s hasn’t really been about a virus since March / April. All about resetting the world economy and governance to an authoritarian global technocratic system. Life comes back when people switch off the MSM propaganda and realise this.

301565 ▶▶▶ calchas, replying to Darryl, 8, #1078 of 1822 🔗

Exactly!

I still don’t think it will work, mind you.

Central planning has failed up until now – and it will fail again.

301673 ▶▶▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to calchas, 4, #1079 of 1822 🔗

If it never worked before, it won’t work now and it won’t work in the future.

301914 ▶▶▶▶ Cranmer, replying to calchas, 2, #1080 of 1822 🔗

This is what gives me hope. These world-domination plans are thought up by mittel-Europan autists with very little understanding of human frailty or of how the real world works. They’ve certainly never heard Burns’ lines about the ‘best laid plans of mice and men’.

301797 ▶▶ John Smith, replying to Ricky R, 2, #1081 of 1822 🔗

Something fishy going on for sure. Whatever it is, it’s imminent.

301459 mhcp, replying to mhcp, 20, #1082 of 1822 🔗

So all the masks have caused a super variant to appear?

I don’t know but it’s just as likely with all the misinformation going round.

Quick you must seal your holes in wax!!!

301473 ▶▶ Barney McGrew, replying to mhcp, 1, #1083 of 1822 🔗

Does it invalidate the vaccine? Could the vaccine ‘enhance’ it? Do we need to kill all the cats ‘n’ bats?

301474 ▶▶▶ Andrew K, replying to Barney McGrew, 5, #1084 of 1822 🔗

Do you actually believe there’s a new strain?

301481 ▶▶▶▶ Laura Suckling, replying to Andrew K, 6, #1085 of 1822 🔗

No

301485 ▶▶▶▶ Kev, replying to Andrew K, 3, #1086 of 1822 🔗

No, its a remarkably convenient headline.

If it does exist, how could anyone actually know whether it will work with the vaccine or not? Have Pfizer re-run all the double-blind tests again, with the same victims volunteers?

301488 ▶▶▶▶ Barney McGrew, replying to Andrew K, 2, #1087 of 1822 🔗

No, of course not. Or rather I think they’re happening all the time, way beyond our ability to control them. That’s what our adaptable immune systems are for. That’s why we’re supposed to move around in the world picking up whiffs of viruses as we go.

301501 ▶▶▶▶ DRW, replying to Andrew K, 6, #1088 of 1822 🔗

Yes, new strains form all the time. The announcement is just the latest fearmongering bollocks.

301510 ▶▶▶▶▶ A. Contrarian, replying to DRW, 1, #1089 of 1822 🔗

They’ve probably known about it for weeks. And I’m sure there are many of them. But they’ve waited until today to announce it for obvious reasons.

301500 ▶▶▶ Ben, replying to Barney McGrew, 2, #1090 of 1822 🔗

And dogs and fish and mink..

301465 nottingham69, replying to nottingham69, 6, #1091 of 1822 🔗

Orders from Germany? Merkel won’t let it go will she?

301497 ▶▶ Ben, replying to nottingham69, 3, #1092 of 1822 🔗

What would Winston Churchill say about current events?

301706 ▶▶▶ annie, replying to Ben, 1, #1093 of 1822 🔗

‘Fight the buggers.’

301468 Smelly Melly, 4, #1094 of 1822 🔗

Will the vaccine work on the new variant of C19 or will we be back to “normal” when the new vaccine is available? Repeat forever.

301470 Basics, replying to Basics, 25, #1095 of 1822 🔗

New variant required because old one and the long covid carry on had run out of steam. It’s that simple.

There is a tendency when under attack to greet each new hit with alarm and rage.

The old covid19 is exhausted milked for all the fear it can give. They need to issue new fear to push us past the five days of ‘behavioural propaganda’. They need to flood the zone (the public’s minds) with as much fear as possible to steer the coming family/friends gatherings into remaing compliant.

Has the mutation been isolated?

301478 ▶▶ Kev, replying to Basics, 11, #1096 of 1822 🔗

Was the original version ever isolated? Last I heard it wasn’t.

301532 ▶▶▶ Bella Donna, replying to Kev, 2, #1097 of 1822 🔗

I heard it hadn’t been isolated.

301567 ▶▶▶▶ calchas, replying to Bella Donna, 3, #1098 of 1822 🔗

Only people have been definitely isolated.

301489 ▶▶ DRW, replying to Basics, 3, #1099 of 1822 🔗

It’s a sign of weakness if they’re needing new shit to keep it sticking.

301513 ▶▶ swedenborg, replying to Basics, #1100 of 1822 🔗

Hancock talking about a mutated strain.Either it is an old one as suggested by Balloux or a brand new one from this other tweet from someone in the know
https://twitter.com/alanmcn1/status/1338524030647885825

Balloux’s suggestion

 https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.10.25.20219063v1.full.pdf

301531 ▶▶▶ RickH, replying to swedenborg, 2, #1101 of 1822 🔗

Of course – a new mutation can be a change to something totally innocuous. But that probability isn’t the one that the scammers will emphasize.

301476 kh1485, 5, #1102 of 1822 🔗

Tim Martin about to be interviewed by Dan Wootton on talkRADIO.

301482 Henry, 2, #1103 of 1822 🔗

https://nextstrain.org/ncov/global

Plenty of variants to choose from…

301492 Jonny S., replying to Jonny S., 1, #1104 of 1822 🔗

Can anyone with more of an understanding of genomics tell me if this is good or bad news?
https://twitter.com/Kevin_McKernan/status/1338270312434192385

301537 ▶▶ DocRC, replying to Jonny S., 2, #1105 of 1822 🔗

I don’t really get this. McKernan talks about problems with the N gene. However the paper (of which Yeadon and Craig are co-authors) asking Eurosurveillance to retract the Corman-Drosten paper says that the N gene is not used in the RT-PCR test in Europe!

301563 ▶▶▶ Jonny S., replying to DocRC, 2, #1106 of 1822 🔗

Thanks DocRC. Think I’ll keep an eye on this and see if it gets anywhere. If so I’ll post back.

301638 ▶▶ Major Panic, replying to Jonny S., 1, #1107 of 1822 🔗

basically – its so fuckin complicated no one understands it – its all bollocks

301493 Kev, replying to Kev, 24, #1108 of 1822 🔗

Genghis Khan expresses his disappointment at London enetering tier 3, after demanding it happens.

I’m not a Londoner, but I wish to express my disappointment he’s still your mayor, you deserve better than that virtue signalling scumbag. He’s got what he wanted so he can get back to slagging off Trump and ignoring any real issues.

301502 ▶▶ Kev, replying to Kev, 3, #1109 of 1822 🔗

I know its really Sadiq Khan, but Genghis is remembered for wholesale carnage, so if the hat fits!

301634 ▶▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to Kev, 1, #1110 of 1822 🔗

His descendants now make up 0.5% of males in the world today.. He was an active kinda guy

301703 ▶▶▶ annie, replying to Kev, 2, #1111 of 1822 🔗

‘Sadist Khan’ covers both.

301508 ▶▶ PoshPanic, replying to Kev, 16, #1112 of 1822 🔗

Possibly the most pointless human being to ever run as mayor and that some field! He has literally done nothing apart from complain, then complain about the outcomes of the thing he just complained about. What a twat.

301524 ▶▶▶ Darryl, replying to PoshPanic, 4, #1113 of 1822 🔗

Completely agree, but I would still put money on him getting re-elected with a very big majority next year. Much to my surprise people like their authoritarian tyrants these days, apparently Dan Andrews is very popular in Melbourne.

301551 ▶▶▶ Cristi.Neagu, replying to PoshPanic, 3, #1114 of 1822 🔗

He has literally done nothing apart from complain

That’s not true. Didn’t he create the Twitter police?

301908 ▶▶▶▶ Cranmer, replying to Cristi.Neagu, #1115 of 1822 🔗

He also removed some adverts from the tube which showed women in bikinis, and is campaigning to get various statues removed and streets renamed I think.

301494 kenadams, replying to kenadams, 36, #1116 of 1822 🔗

I just word searched ‘death’ in the Daily Mail covid live update, which is a long update, and it didn’t come up once. They aren’t even bothering anymore to pretend that people die from it, it’s just about ‘cases’. And still the sheep lap it up.

Also, I haven’t yet seen any empirical evidence for the ‘catastrophic’ rise in cases in London, even using all their dodgy data and PCR tests etc. They aren’t even bothering anymore to pretend that empirical evidence exists.

It has now become frightening to a degree I can barely describe. They are just so arrogant now, because they’ve realised that they can do or say anything and enough people will believe it.

301519 ▶▶ Lili, replying to kenadams, 9, #1117 of 1822 🔗

It’s not about people believing – they don’t care whether people believe or not; they hold all the power, or so they think. Of course we, the people, actually have the power. When are we going to use it?

301529 ▶▶▶ Bella Donna, replying to Lili, 3, #1118 of 1822 🔗

We are the Many they are the Few! We just need to organise ourselves.

301525 ▶▶ RickH, replying to kenadams, 9, #1119 of 1822 🔗

I think that you’ve pinpointed it, ken. AS you say – they’ve got away with so many egregious lies that they feel able to depart any contact with anything near truth and reality.

THe last ten minutes of Ivor Cummins’s latest is a comprehensive demolition of the non-science that now pervades everything.

301905 ▶▶ Cranmer, replying to kenadams, #1120 of 1822 🔗

Yes, that’s the worrying thing now – there is no higher death rate than normal and yet they are pretending we are in a bloodbath; empirical evidence is no longer even a concept. We are now in a sort of proxy war, where anything contrary to the official view is dismissed as a dangerous enemy propaganda. It’s a form of religious mania, like the burning of the Catholic and Protestant martyrs.

301495 Sarigan, replying to Sarigan, 11, #1121 of 1822 🔗

Eventually, we need to engage with reality. Not the alternate reality created by the obsessional myopic focus on COVID

Worldwide Mortality on track to be a Record Low

301570 ▶▶ John P, replying to Sarigan, 6, #1122 of 1822 🔗

Last night I read a recent e-mail from my uncle in Scotland (mother’s brother in law) who exhorted me to “stay safe!” at the end. I’ve always been fond of that uncle and my aunt, his wife. They’re also my Godparents. I feel like saying, “Well, I’m not planning on living dangerously, uncle, though it would probably be a lot more fun.”

Elsewhere on Planet deranged, I was taking to my mother last night on one of my bi-weekly visits to my parents house, and she told me that my dad’s cousin, a retired GP in Norfolk had just sent them a Christmas card, with a missive included in it on which they said they were “looking forward to the vaccine”.

lol

The world really has gone totally mad, hasn’t it?

I tried to explain to my mother that “big pharma” are not charities and that the wealth of their shareholders is their primary concern not public health. I was only partly successful in this endeavour.

nevertheless, my mother is partially sceptic these days and quite rightly has been outraged by news that her granddaughter, my 10 yo niece, is now being “forced” to miss school due to one of her year (not class) year testing positive for the covid “plague”.

Apparently my niece and her friends are not especially upset about having to miss school.

Hmm, now there’s surprise.

301572 ▶▶▶ John P, replying to John P, #1123 of 1822 🔗

Bugger.

Not a reply to your post, sarigan. Was supposed to be a new comment.

301668 ▶▶ Major Panic, replying to Tom Blackburn, #1125 of 1822 🔗

thanks Tom

301518 leggy, replying to leggy, #1126 of 1822 🔗

So the Prime Minister of Swaziland has it seems succumbed to the plague. Interesting choice of pictures in the article. I never knew WEF had an Africa summit last September.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9050877/Eswatini-Prime-Minister-world-leader-die-Covid-19.html

301544 ▶▶ Ben, replying to leggy, 3, #1127 of 1822 🔗

The WEF is more insidious than it seems

301595 ▶▶ Iansn, replying to leggy, 3, #1128 of 1822 🔗

i worked in Nigeria, 1800 staff there. One a month or so died of aids. I never noticed till it was one of my staff and I asked the staff doctor, she said it happened all the time. Southern Africa is worse for AIDS so it will be a blessing on the families if they say he passed of COVID, and it wasnt
No stigma attached to COVID

301521 DavidC, replying to DavidC, 6, #1129 of 1822 🔗

Just a thought but if we now have a new strain of the virus presumably that means the vaccine won’t work on it…?!

OhMyGodMorePanicHysteriaDeathIsComingToUsAll!

DavidC

301528 ▶▶ Bella Donna, replying to DavidC, 7, #1130 of 1822 🔗

Sounds like the flu vaccine, its out of date as soon as the vaccine is released! LOL!

301540 ▶▶ steve_w, replying to DavidC, 2, #1131 of 1822 🔗

it may or may not. that’s what’s good about using old people as guinea pigs in real time

301526 kh1485, replying to kh1485, 57, #1132 of 1822 🔗

Well, the snarkometer had been at low for quite a while now so I suppose I was due for a bit of customer kick-back. And so it happened today.

Usual scenario – customers fanny around by the door with their masks and ask if they can come in. Usual reply “of course you can”. Anyway, it was quite cold today so didn’t expect that they would want to sit outside but they wanted to have a look to see if four people could “sit at a distance” round an outside table. We told them they could arrange the chairs any way they wanted. So, the advance party went and fetched the other two and off they trudged outside.  I heard them say it was “pretty sheltered” to which I responded “it’s even more sheltered inside” (it really was quite miserable outside) and they then responded by saying they were in different bloody “bubbles” or whatever. So I did my usual “we’re not bothered if you aren’t” (it was quite clear it was grandparents, daughter and her daughter so I thought they might want to actually sit together). I thought I was just being kind. But, oh dear, it didn’t go down well.

The daughter came in and started mouthing off at one of my regulars – I was delivering some food to another table but I heard her almost wailing “no-one is wearing a mask in here” and that I had said I didn’t want them sitting outside. I hadn’t said anything of the kind and told her so. I repeated what I’d actually said. And then I got the “I know seven people who have caught this and you are saying we shouldn’t sit outside, it’s dreadful, I really can’t stay here, we’re leaving”. So I said “OK, that’s up to you”. Funny thing is, I noticed five minutes later, they were still there and had placed an order with my business partner. I said to him “I thought they were leaving” He said “Looks like she’s been outvoted!” Oh dear, how embarrassing! I await either the EHO visit or Twat Advisor arse-ache.

I had also quoted (on my blackboard protest) a post from Kev (I think) a few days ago – “Three weeks to flatten the curve … Nine months to trash the economy …” and someone took umbrage to it as it had been turned around. My money’s on the woman above.

301543 ▶▶ Ben, replying to kh1485, 17, #1133 of 1822 🔗

I don’t know how you cope with these masked-zombie-zealot-sheeple. Let them sit in a blizzard

301545 ▶▶ mhcp, replying to kh1485, 9, #1134 of 1822 🔗

I bet she will think she was right until this is all but a distant memory. No awareness at all.

301547 ▶▶ Paul, replying to kh1485, 23, #1135 of 1822 🔗

I’m at the point now when I could do people like that physical harm.They are deranged,there is no other way to describe them,they are dragging us all into the abyss.
If they are so bloody worried why don’t they stay at home and have Tescos or some other virtue signalling behemoth deliver their food and just leave decent,hard-work and sane people like you alone ?.
I didn’t think I had got much blood left that hadn’t already boiled but today has proved me wrong !.

301554 ▶▶▶ JHuntz, replying to Paul, 6, #1136 of 1822 🔗

I think my first port of call is have you got a job. Invariably, a zealot will say yes. I thereafter adviser them it is them that is selfish not me.

301629 ▶▶▶▶ kh1485, replying to JHuntz, 5, #1137 of 1822 🔗

Exactly. You have a whole different perspective on this crapfest if you are still being paid.

301576 ▶▶▶ kh1485, replying to Paul, 23, #1138 of 1822 🔗

I know. That was going to be my next point to her, but she scurried outside to get away from me. I mean, if you are so damned scared, don’t go out.

We were very busy today which another customer remarked on and by then, after snarky woman, I was feeling mightily pissed off. So I responded by saying “yes, we are aren’t we, you wouldn’t think there was a killer virus on the rampage, would you?”

301548 ▶▶ Noumenon, replying to kh1485, 13, #1139 of 1822 🔗

Well done for standing your ground!

I would suggest an alteration to your sign though so it says “nine months to trash the country”. That’s rather harder hitting in my opinion and avoids the “money vs. people” trope.

301556 ▶▶ DRW, replying to kh1485, 11, #1140 of 1822 🔗

I don’t know how you put up with this shit KH, I couldn’t handle customer service even in better times.

301583 ▶▶ Iansn, replying to kh1485, 18, #1141 of 1822 🔗

hold the line 🙂 More customers are coming into my business without masks, I dont wear one and dont ask customers at all, we are close contact. Over 1600 customers since LD1 and still nothing.

301619 ▶▶ Alethea, replying to kh1485, 14, #1142 of 1822 🔗

If I lived in your town, I’d come to your cafe for breakfast, lunch and afternoon coffee EVERY SINGLE DAY.

301684 ▶▶▶ annie, replying to Alethea, 7, #1143 of 1822 🔗

So would I.
I used to frequent that café long ago. Maybe before your time, kh. Best traybakes in Essex!

301681 ▶▶ annie, replying to kh1485, 8, #1144 of 1822 🔗

I think there is a Covid demon that gies round and round the country manifesting itself as an evil little She-Covvizombie.They are all the same – squat, stupid and spiteful.

301891 ▶▶ Cranmer, replying to kh1485, 4, #1145 of 1822 🔗

Well done for keeping calm. I wouldn’t worry too much about Twat Advisor. I actually started going to a cafe near me for the sole reason that it had reviews fretting about ‘lack of Covid safety’ etc!

301527 Tom Blackburn, replying to Tom Blackburn, #1146 of 1822 🔗

Last Tier announcements, someone from here found the (more) detailed breakdown of reasons for each area. Just wondering if the same could be found this time?

301555 ▶▶ leggy, replying to Tom Blackburn, 5, #1147 of 1822 🔗

I’m sure there’s a fag packet with the reasons on the back somewhere.

301581 ▶▶▶ Tom Blackburn, replying to leggy, #1148 of 1822 🔗

Just curious as it was a useful tool in pointing out the nonsense last time around.

301533 Harry hopkins, replying to Harry hopkins, 32, #1149 of 1822 🔗

Uk Column news today has pointed out that dozens of GP surgeries in England are refusing to take part in the vaccine rollout. My 87 year old neighbour, who was due to have his injection on Thursday, has been contacted to say that this will not now happen and that he will be contacted for a future appointment.

Me thinks that GP surgeries who know their patients personally and see them as human beings and feel a responsibility for their welfare, may just be somewhat doubtful about administering a vaccine that has come to the market in a few short months and has been indemnified by the government.

301535 ▶▶ Ben, replying to Harry hopkins, 3, #1150 of 1822 🔗

My faith in humanity is restored

301569 ▶▶▶ Neil Hartley, replying to Ben, 4, #1151 of 1822 🔗

They’ll be wanting more money.

301605 ▶▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to Neil Hartley, 1, #1152 of 1822 🔗

Spot on!

301538 ▶▶ Noumenon, replying to Harry hopkins, 4, #1153 of 1822 🔗

I thought it was because GP surgeries didn’t have the resources? Or was that just an excuse?

301549 ▶▶▶ Harry hopkins, replying to Noumenon, 7, #1154 of 1822 🔗

Any decent surgery will put their time and resources into patient care which these days is hard enough with all the ridiculous rules in place. If they have to divert these limited resources to a vaccine roll out it will make patients suffer in other areas. Either way, they don’t believe the vaccine is safe or they don’t want to divert resources, it’s good news!

301550 ▶▶▶ Stringfellow Hawke, replying to Noumenon, 4, #1155 of 1822 🔗

Within hours after roll out 2 Nurses who received the vax apparently became very seriously ill, so much that they issued a warning related to possible severe reactions.

301539 ▶▶ DRW, replying to Harry hopkins, 3, #1156 of 1822 🔗

Yep, wheels definitely coming off it already, not convinced it will last six months.

301593 ▶▶ Poppy, replying to Harry hopkins, 9, #1157 of 1822 🔗

I read somewhere that GP surgeries are opting out of the vaccine rollout because the patient needs to be monitored for 15 minutes after the jab in case of adverse reactions, and a lot of GP surgeries don’t have the resources for this. Cannot verify whether this is true or not but the rollout was always going to go pear-shaped one way or another.

301601 ▶▶▶ John P, replying to Poppy, 8, #1158 of 1822 🔗

Sounds more plausible than surgeries growing a pair.

301607 ▶▶▶ Marialta, replying to Poppy, 2, #1159 of 1822 🔗

Yes this is the reason

301696 ▶▶▶ Mabel Cow, replying to Poppy, #1160 of 1822 🔗

Here’s an article in the Grauniad about this (from 2020-12-11).

301603 ▶▶ JohnB, replying to Harry hopkins, 4, #1161 of 1822 🔗

It won’t be anything to do with humanity, these are doctors, it will be something to do with money!

301670 ▶▶ Norman, replying to Harry hopkins, 1, #1162 of 1822 🔗

I think they’re always indemnified by the government but they’re normally tested longer before patients get them. The Pfizer & Moderna products aren’t really vaccines but genetically-modified material (the EU gave a waiver to permit them to be developed).

301850 ▶▶ Ewan Duffy, replying to Harry hopkins, 1, #1163 of 1822 🔗

They also realise that they live in the same area of their customers. Once the damage starts to appear….

Unfortunately the police aren’t smart enough to reach the same conclusion.

301557 Stuart, replying to Stuart, 2, #1164 of 1822 🔗

New Variant Wankers is off on another one. If classic Covid has not yet been proven to exist, how it is possible for it to beget offspring?

Quite likely, the entire thing is the old thing – colds, flu and pneumonia in panto disguise.

Thank goodness we have Bodgers in office to ground the scientific debate in reality. Had he been carried off last March it would have been an ill day for the country.

301589 ▶▶ Chicot, replying to Stuart, 7, #1165 of 1822 🔗

This is the way they will extend this nightmare indefinitely. “Oh no, there’s a new variant – no one is immune anymore. Lockdown! Everyone must have a new vaccine”

301879 ▶▶▶ Cranmer, replying to Chicot, 1, #1166 of 1822 🔗

Yep, that was my first thought too. I thought it was particularly creepy the way Wankc*ck slipped it in while he was ordering London into Tier 3. ‘Oh by the way, there’s some new variant of Covid around. Nothing to worry about though!’ It’s so obvious that will gradually be worked up into some new horrific threat.

301560 Nobody2020, 14, #1167 of 1822 🔗

Science in 2020…

If you never leave your house you can’t die outside. If you go outside you will increase your chances of dying outside. Don’t go outside unless absolutely necessary.

If something is too hot it can burn you. If you touch hot things you will increase your chances of getting burned. Don’t touch hot things unless absolutely necessary.

No need to quantify the risk, just saying it will increase is enough to justify saying you should avoid it.

301562 Hubes, replying to Hubes, 12, #1168 of 1822 🔗

All I want for Christmas is :

To be in tier 3 lockdown
To have a swab stuck up my nose and down my throat for no reason
A consignment of face nappies

Cheers

301571 ▶▶ DRW, replying to Hubes, 3, #1169 of 1822 🔗

Don’t forget a shitty indemnified non-vaccine.

301566 Zak Thelotofem, replying to Zak Thelotofem, 7, #1170 of 1822 🔗

Based on clinical evidence, Ivermectin is the most effective treatment … for all phases of COVID-19.
“Ivermectin for COVID-19 is effective and has been given to us on a silver platter. It can completely change the history of this disease . Ivermectin is one of the safest medicines you can give a human being. It has been in use for 40 years and is on WHO’s list of essential medications. We are facing a crisis. It is unethical to wait for more clinical trials, giving placebo to some patients who are dying. With patient’s consent, it is a doctor’s absolute ethical duty to treat with Ivermectin.”

 Paul Marik, MD, Chief of Pulmonary and Critical Care Medicine, Eastern Virginia Medical School

WAKE UP UK

301573 ▶▶ Ben, replying to Zak Thelotofem, 7, #1171 of 1822 🔗

Also Vitamin D

301590 ▶▶▶ John P, replying to Ben, 1, #1172 of 1822 🔗

You need to get out more.

301596 ▶▶ John P, replying to Zak Thelotofem, 5, #1173 of 1822 🔗

I’m not taking any of this shit. If I’m ill I’ll take some lemsip and stay indoors for a few days.

301599 ▶▶▶ Two-Six, replying to John P, 6, #1174 of 1822 🔗

Clinical trials have shown that the Black Currant flavour is upto 93.6% more effective at fighting covids than the lemon one.

301606 ▶▶▶▶ John P, replying to Two-Six, 1, #1175 of 1822 🔗

I’ll die for lemon flavour!

301649 ▶▶▶▶▶ John P, replying to John P, 1, #1176 of 1822 🔗

To the sad, pathetic shit that downvoted this comment.

This is called “humour”.

301759 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ dhid, replying to John P, #1177 of 1822 🔗

It was probably HandOnCock, Witless or Vacant or one of the other snot rags in SAGE.

301881 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Voz 0db, replying to John P, #1178 of 1822 🔗

The lack of if is in itself FUNNY!

301697 ▶▶▶▶ Ed Phillips, replying to Two-Six, #1179 of 1822 🔗

For me that’s true. 95.2% is attributed to the placebo effect though.

301621 ▶▶▶ John P, replying to John P, 2, #1180 of 1822 🔗

Oops, a drug pusher doesn’t like my comment !

301641 ▶▶▶▶ John P, replying to John P, #1181 of 1822 🔗

God, can I not even have a joke now without some prick downvoting it?

301674 ▶▶▶▶▶ Mabel Cow, replying to John P, 1, #1182 of 1822 🔗

If it was up to me, I’d disable the down-vote button.

If a post is objectionable, it’s far better to let it sink into obscurity instead of pouring petrol on the troll fire.

And you just get picked on for the sake of it. It’s very childish.

301643 ▶▶▶ John P, replying to John P, #1183 of 1822 🔗

Serious point. You wouldn’t even have heard of this drug had it not been for this so-called “pandemic”.

301617 ▶▶ Voz 0db, replying to Zak Thelotofem, #1184 of 1822 🔗

What is “COVID”?!

301579 DocRC, replying to DocRC, 13, #1185 of 1822 🔗

Them vs us!

301600 ▶▶ kenadams, replying to DocRC, 10, #1186 of 1822 🔗

Don’t generalise. I’m vegan. And couldn’t be more anti all of this.

301615 ▶▶▶ Voz 0db, replying to kenadams, 7, #1187 of 1822 🔗

Not fond of labels… Most of the time vegan, few time vegetarian! And I’m anti this even before it started!

301639 ▶▶ Noumenon, replying to DocRC, #1188 of 1822 🔗

This is exactly the kind of murky conflation we don’t need, at all. In fact, I’d say intelligence services may be behind these divisional tactics. Those things on the left are in no way exclusive, particularly the vegan and socialist ones. “Vaxxer” implies the opposition is anti-vaxxer. Despicable counter propaganda imo.

301694 ▶▶ RickH, replying to DocRC, 1, #1189 of 1822 🔗

Basically : Unserious, generalized, partisan bollocks for up-the-arse simpletons.

… a bit like covidiocy, in fact 🙂

301580 ColoradoGirl, replying to ColoradoGirl, 2, #1190 of 1822 🔗

Another doctor speaking before theUS Senate about Ivermectin. https://youtu.be/Tq8SXOBy-4w

301659 ▶▶ Major Panic, replying to ColoradoGirl, #1191 of 1822 🔗

but will it ever catch on – there’s no money in Ivermectin

301587 Two-Six, replying to Two-Six, 6, #1192 of 1822 🔗

Here is a good one.
They have invented a vaccine for the common cold!
hahahahahahahah

301611 ▶▶ Voz 0db, replying to Two-Six, 1, #1193 of 1822 🔗

The marvel of Humanity in the XXI Century is extraordinary!

301640 ▶▶ stefarm, replying to Two-Six, 1, #1194 of 1822 🔗

Sure it’s not the other way around 🤪

301648 ▶▶▶ Two-Six, replying to stefarm, #1195 of 1822 🔗

now you mention it….

301620 ▶▶ Iansn, replying to Tom Blackburn, 11, #1198 of 1822 🔗

First time the wankers at Liberty have piped up since the start of this

301635 ▶▶▶ JHuntz, replying to Iansn, 3, #1199 of 1822 🔗

The articles was a load of old BLM bollocks though. Didn’t at any point acknowledge the justification for lockdown protests.

301705 ▶▶▶▶ mjr, replying to JHuntz, 5, #1200 of 1822 🔗

Liberty are only interested in the “correct” freedoms to protest against the “correct” things

301710 ▶▶▶▶▶ Tom Blackburn, replying to mjr, 1, #1201 of 1822 🔗

Sadly have to agree.

301711 ▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Tom Blackburn, 1, #1202 of 1822 🔗

Liberty has always supported proportionate action to protect public health, and much of our work recently has focused on ensuring that the people most likely to be hit hard by the pandemic are prioritised in the government’s response.

Says it all – rolling eyes!

301598 Cheezilla, 5, #1203 of 1822 🔗

Watching SubjectAccess from earlier. Police out in ridiculously high numbers.

So far seen three women arrested on separate occasions. Clearly intended to provoke a male violent response. Despicable!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_ugJEk8GKAk

Huge contrast with Manchester on Saturday!

301608 Voz 0db, 7, #1204 of 1822 🔗

Beware…

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301609 Iansn, replying to Iansn, 2, #1205 of 1822 🔗

Death figures are late today so they will be adding a coupe of thousand here and there to scare the cockneys in to acceptance. Genghis khan will be delighted

301665 ▶▶ Jonathan Palmer, replying to Iansn, 2, #1206 of 1822 🔗

Very few cockneys left in London these days

301613 swedenborg, replying to swedenborg, 4, #1207 of 1822 🔗

An interesting article about IHME. They seemed to have at first a more benign prediction of the pandemic but they have afterwards been much more in the Project fear. But this article discusses more general issues. No idea if Nation is MSM or not. But great investigative journalism. Recommended. A few quotes below.

https://www.thenation.com/article/society/gates-covid-data-ihme/

Are Bill Gates’s Billions Distorting Public Health Data?
“IHME a monopoly and a juggernaut and charge the group has surrounded itself with a constellation of high-profile allies that have made it too big to peer review, the traditional method of self-regulation in science. Fueled by more than $600 million in funding from the Bill & Melinda Gates Foundation—a virtually unheard-of sum for an academic research institute—the IHME has outgrown and overwhelmed its peers, most notably the World Health Organization (WHO), which previously acted as the global authority for health estimates.”

“In 2019, Peter Byass, then a professor of global health at Sweden’s Umeå University, told The Nation , “From a scientific point of view, that makes it impossible for anyone to replicate or verify the estimates.”

“Despite such criticisms, the IHME’s dominion keeps expanding—thanks in large part to Richard Horton, the editor in chief of The Lancet , who has put the credibility of the famed medical journal behind it, publishing more of the institute’s studies than any other periodical. While most scholars are lucky to publish one research article in The Lancet during a decades-long career, the IHME’s Murray has published more than 100.
According to the Web of Science database, more than 20,000 academic papers cite funding from the Gates Foundation, which has poured over $8 billion into universities in the past two decades, according to The Nation ’s analysis of its charitable giving. Scholars have even used the term “the Bill chill” to describe their reluctance to bite the hand that feeds them.”

301660 ▶▶ RickH, replying to swedenborg, 2, #1208 of 1822 🔗

Well – the dire influence of mega bucks is now proven beyond dispute with Covid following Brexit.

301998 ▶▶▶ Jonathan Palmer, replying to RickH, 1, #1209 of 1822 🔗

Mega bucks had nothing to do with with Brexit.It was mainly working class people who had enough of being ignored.The elites have spent 4 years trying to overturn the result and still might succeed.
Not that it’s relevant anymore
as British liberty faces a bigger foe.

301614 Leemc23, replying to Leemc23, 62, #1210 of 1822 🔗

I’ve had 5 days annual leave this year. Today I took a day off to go Christmas shopping for my kids. Hit Smyths toy superstore and could have hit someone ! They had the radio playing over the loud speaker and it was all about how Covid is going to kill everyone and that “the Festive” season needs to be cancelled. I could not believe the level of propaganda. I had to complain to the staff. It was ridiculous.

Then we left the store and I had my fucking work on the phone asking if I was off today (despite my boss approving this last week) and telling me that Christmas was off as from 28th December we are going into Crisis mode due to Brexit.

I am 44 years old and feel like crying tonight. For fuck sake just stop taking everything from everyone. Those poor people in hospitality who will lose their jobs tomorrow. A health secretary that delights in idiotic drama. A missing in action Prime Minister and Christmas being cancelled or rebranded “festive season” if I had a gun and no kids I could very well check out over how this is going.

301637 ▶▶ Alice, replying to Leemc23, 12, #1211 of 1822 🔗

I’m older than you, and I sometimes feel like crying, if that’s any consolation. I was going to say something about a gun, and how I’d use it if I had it, but I’m not going to say it – someone could interpret it as a threat against certain persons…

301698 ▶▶▶ John P, replying to Alice, -1, #1212 of 1822 🔗

And I feel like crying now. After coming on here and receiving downvotes for mild jokes. I don’t like being bullied.

Really really sick of some of the saddos here. They’ve always got a smart answer!

NB: Not you!

301792 ▶▶▶▶ Lisa (formerly) from Toronto, replying to John P, 14, #1213 of 1822 🔗

Can you stop making it about yourself for just one second? Leemc23 has young children and is in serious distress. You are being disrespectful by comparing your downvotes on Lockdown Sceptics to his/her life falling apart. I don’t get involved in this petty stuff ordinarily, but you call other people saddos and nutters and want respect? How about some compassion for Leemc23? Lee — you have our support and hope you at least got some nice gifts for your kids today.

301687 ▶▶ Ed Phillips, replying to Leemc23, 11, #1214 of 1822 🔗

So a toy shop, whose major business takes place over Christmas wants Christmas cancelled?
Muppets.

301750 ▶▶ Lydia, replying to Leemc23, 6, #1215 of 1822 🔗

I cry all the time about this shit storm. Really can’t pull myself together.

301801 ▶▶▶ Al C, replying to Lydia, 3, #1216 of 1822 🔗

Me too. Sorry it’s been a tough day @leemc23. I’ve never thought about ending lives (mine or others) until this hideous destruction of lives, but the thought has crossed my mind these past few months. It’s the huge chasm between what you can read and get informed on on Lockdown Sceptics etc and what is actually being heeded by those in power. How is the information so different? Why does no one listen?

301784 ▶▶ Marialta, replying to Leemc23, 1, #1217 of 1822 🔗

I gave you a tick and you got 14!!

301856 ▶▶ Cranmer, replying to Leemc23, 3, #1218 of 1822 🔗

All I can say is try to stay strong, for the sake of your children. I think a lot of us have gone through these moments as we realise just how bad things are and how the old normal is unlikely to be coming back. That’s why we have to pace ourselves and not burn out too soon – this is a marathon, not a sprint. I’m sure as hell not going down because I want to see a lot of high profile people jailed for what they’ve done.

302172 ▶▶▶ Leemc23, replying to Cranmer, 2, #1219 of 1822 🔗

Thank you all for the positive thoughts and best wishes. I am surviving this and won’t give up, but the over riding emotion is anger. I can’t stand selfishness and I can’t abide lack of compassion. Yet I see it everywhere. We once had a national crisis where 200,000 mine workers lost their jobs over a ten year period. How many jobs have been wrecked this year alone and the collective shrug has been deafening and shaming.

301622 kh1485, 5, #1220 of 1822 🔗
301626 Sir Patrick Vaccine, replying to Sir Patrick Vaccine, 2, #1221 of 1822 🔗

Not so dangerous
Risk of catching coronavirus from a family member you live with is just 17% and only one in three people pass it on to their spouse, study finds

Researchers analyzed 54 studies with more 77,000 participants reporting household secondary transmission of coronavirus

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/article-9051691/Risk-catching-coronavirus-family-member-live-just-16-6.html

from Telegraph Our Global Health deputy editor Anne Gulland has asked the World Health Organization about the new strain of Covid-19 discussed by Matt Hancock, the UK health secretary, today.

Dr Maria Van Kerkhove, the WHO’s technical lead says there is “no evidence so far” that the new strain of Covid “behaves differently”.

301669 ▶▶ Rowan, replying to Sir Patrick Vaccine, 2, #1222 of 1822 🔗

And no evidence that the new strain and also the old strain actually exist.

301825 ▶▶ Old Normal, replying to Sir Patrick Vaccine, 1, #1223 of 1822 🔗

Interesting findings. I’d imagine that most people don’t wear masks indoors at home any or all of the time so how come these figures of 17% and 33% aren’t much higher?

There are 4 possible options:

1) Masks don’t work

2) It’s not as infectious as made out

3) The vast majority of the people who had it, didn’t actually have it at all, so couldn’t pass it on

4) The 54 studies are all wrong and we should stick to computer modelling

301841 ▶▶▶ A. Contrarian, replying to Old Normal, 1, #1224 of 1822 🔗

Or, lots have cross immunity from other viruses.

301849 ▶▶▶▶ Old Normal, replying to A. Contrarian, #1225 of 1822 🔗

Good point. I had a feeling I’d missed something out!

301627 Major Panic, replying to Major Panic, #1226 of 1822 🔗

perception is power

301658 ▶▶ John P, replying to Major Panic, 1, #1227 of 1822 🔗

So you are not powerless then?

301644 Fingerache Philip., replying to Fingerache Philip., 15, #1228 of 1822 🔗

What’s the Bleedin almighty rush to shut schools, for God’s sake they are finishing on Friday anyway.

301651 ▶▶ Mabel Cow, replying to Fingerache Philip., 16, #1229 of 1822 🔗

MUST … INCREASE … THE … FEAR ….

301664 ▶▶ Rowan, replying to Fingerache Philip., 8, #1230 of 1822 🔗

It’s simply about causing extra aggravation and expense for working parents.

301677 ▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Fingerache Philip., 2, #1231 of 1822 🔗

Drama

301682 ▶▶ DRW, replying to Fingerache Philip., 6, #1232 of 1822 🔗

Teachers wanting to WFH again, won’t be surprised if they try to keep them shut after Christmas too.

301844 ▶▶▶ Cranmer, replying to DRW, #1233 of 1822 🔗

My teaching experience is limited to a brief stint as a classroom assistant to 6 year olds in a pre-prep school, and some adult education/TEFL stuff. Both those jobs were quite mentally tiring, and that was teaching people who were polite, respectful and motivated. I can imagine the teachers in an average comp will jump at the chance to get out, especially with all the covid rules nonsense, even if they believe in it it must be a nightmare to enforce.

301645 Mabel Cow, replying to Mabel Cow, 20, #1234 of 1822 🔗

It doesn’t add up .

(This is a just a cheap reworking of the Twilight Zone graphic posted above the line yesterday.)

301652 ▶▶ John P, replying to Mabel Cow, -6, #1235 of 1822 🔗

Yes, it has been done. Like just about every other joke over the past nine months.

301656 ▶▶▶ John P, replying to John P, -5, #1236 of 1822 🔗

Sigh, it wasn’t a criticism.

301661 ▶▶▶▶ Rowan, replying to John P, #1237 of 1822 🔗

Okay, we’ll let you off this time, but watch it.

301666 ▶▶▶▶▶ John P, replying to Rowan, -9, #1238 of 1822 🔗

creep.

301657 ▶▶▶ Rowan, replying to John P, 6, #1239 of 1822 🔗

It’s still very relevant, so don’t knock it.

301663 ▶▶▶▶ John P, replying to Rowan, -4, #1240 of 1822 🔗

I wasn’t knocking it. As I said.

And until free speech is banned I shall continue to say what I like to who I like when I come here.

301675 ▶▶▶▶▶ Luckyharry69, replying to John P, 1, #1241 of 1822 🔗

play nicely guys……

301693 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ John P, replying to Luckyharry69, -4, #1242 of 1822 🔗

I was. I’m thoroughly pissed off now. I don’t like being bullied.

301653 chris, replying to chris, 5, #1243 of 1822 🔗

Trump is not in charge.

US military intelligence is in charge. If the conventional route through the Courts fails expect the US military to decide if their country should be stolen. Its a big step but 74 million Trump voters will be very happy. Who can stop the US military? Only Chyna.

Why announce a new china designed nuclear power station now?

BRIBERY

301723 ▶▶ John Smith, replying to chris, 3, #1244 of 1822 🔗

I agree. I believe that’s what’s behind the latest round of draconian European wide lockdowns over the “festive” period.

Twitchy bum time for many in the capitals of Europe I bet.

301832 ▶▶▶ Cranmer, replying to John Smith, #1245 of 1822 🔗

Could the new German lockdown be something to do with the Drosten case also?

301655 Fingerache Philip., replying to Fingerache Philip., 18, #1246 of 1822 🔗

Never mind about the virus mutating, it’s Wankcock mutating that’s bothering me.

301676 ▶▶ DRW, replying to Fingerache Philip., 5, #1247 of 1822 🔗

He IS a deadly mutation

301686 ▶▶▶ annie, replying to DRW, 5, #1248 of 1822 🔗

Certainly a radical departure from the human.

301701 ▶▶ Dan Clarke, replying to Fingerache Philip., 5, #1249 of 1822 🔗

He’s done a lot more damage than Covid, when is he going to be arrested?

301667 mhcp, replying to mhcp, 18, #1250 of 1822 🔗

BBC doing loops about EDF building a nuclear power plant to get to net zero . Not like nuclear is the ONLY option for dispatchability. But the best bit was complaining it would cost £20B.

But Track and Trace and Piss It Up The Wall, now rising to something similar is okay. Never mind Operation Cumshot.

301708 ▶▶ Two-Six, replying to mhcp, 3, #1251 of 1822 🔗

Prior to the first explosion by an atomic bomb there was no plutonium in the environment at all apart from traces deep in the earth. Now after many thousands of nuclear explosions and nuclear accidents there are huge amounts of it circulating around in the environment.

Along with many other radio active elements that have never existed in the wild prior to nuclear testing. All of these elements are lethal to human life in even the smallest quantities.

Wrecking chromosomes and causing genetic mutations.

This is why cancer is global epidemic.

It was never on the planet before. Nuclear power is dangerous. The waste from a nuclear power plant remains a hazard for thousands of years. Storing the spent fuel from nuclear reactors is an exercise in futility. Caverns have to be mined deep into stable rock and guarded for eternity so as to contain the deadly radioactive pathogens that fill them.

301776 ▶▶▶ David Grimbleby, replying to Two-Six, 3, #1252 of 1822 🔗

Agreed, Windscale and Chernobyl not good adverts for nuclear.

301811 ▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to mhcp, #1253 of 1822 🔗

More useful than HS2 for certain!

301678 swedenborg, 3, #1254 of 1822 🔗

Interesting reading of the NEJM article about Pfizer vaccines. Important details are highlighted which did not come out in Pfizer’s press release.Especially that 2 shots absolutely needed but also more severe allergic reactions of the second shot in younger persons.

 https://twitter.com/AlexBerenson/status/1338543429605855244

301679 Gladiatrix, replying to Gladiatrix, 8, #1255 of 1822 🔗

I see the Guardian has published another hatchet job on Sunetra Gupta, she needs to start suing them.

301683 ▶▶ Major Panic, replying to Gladiatrix, 9, #1256 of 1822 🔗

she probably hasnt read it – very few do

301707 ▶▶ Tom Blackburn, replying to Gladiatrix, 4, #1257 of 1822 🔗

It is disgusting how she has been treated.

301712 ▶▶ DocRC, replying to Gladiatrix, 2, #1258 of 1822 🔗

I suspect she used to be a Grauniad reader. Sad that they are behaving so despicably to one of their own.

301864 ▶▶▶ Barney McGrew, replying to DocRC, #1259 of 1822 🔗

Indeed. A few months ago she was appalled that some of her research was being used to support “libertarian” arguments. I wonder if she’s beginning to change her views on that.

301721 ▶▶ Barney McGrew, replying to Gladiatrix, 7, #1260 of 1822 🔗

Is this the article?

Backers of ‘herd immunity’ shouldn’t have been allowed near Boris Johnson
Alan McNally
The fringe view that we should avoid coronavirus restrictions was presented to the PM as he weighed a crucial decision
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2020/dec/14/herd-immunity-boris-johnson-coronavirus

He gets this little dig in:
Herd immunity is only an effective strategy for infectious diseases when it’s achieved via vaccination, not by natural infection. … This is not just my opinion, it is the mainstream view of every respected infectious disease researcher in the country (and across the world, as evidenced by the John Snow memorandum).

Thereby stating that all signatories of the GBD are not “respected”. Nice.

The most amazing aspect of his rant is the suggestion that natural herd immunity is “fringe”. Surely, every person on the planet, including him, has been taking part in a process of natural herd immunity every single day of their lives. That’s why we survive coronaviruses every year. The man is a complete idiot.

301729 ▶▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to Barney McGrew, 3, #1261 of 1822 🔗

Awful stuff. Journalism of that standard is everywhere now. Agenda driven guff

301751 ▶▶▶ Lisa (formerly) from Toronto, replying to Barney McGrew, 6, #1262 of 1822 🔗

My understanding is that true immunity is only achieved when one has been exposed to the infection naturally, not the other way around. If you read about recent whooping cough and measles outbreaks they are among the vaccinated. First, vaccines don’t work for all people, and second, the immunity they confer can wear off. Given the Covid vaccines haven’t even been shown to prevent transmission, we won’t be getting to herd immunity courtesy of a vaccine anytime soon, probably ever.

301806 ▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Barney McGrew, 1, #1263 of 1822 🔗

He’s a paid shill.

301837 ▶▶▶ A. Contrarian, replying to Barney McGrew, 2, #1264 of 1822 🔗

FFS he talked to them once. SAGE are whispering lockdownisms in his ear every minute of every day.

Surely, surely even Guardian readers can see that even if he had gone for a circuit break in October, we’d just be in the same position as Wales now? Why do they think it would have been a magic solution when it hasn’t been, anywhere else, ever?

301993 ▶▶▶ Nobody2020, replying to Barney McGrew, 2, #1265 of 1822 🔗

A herd immunity threshold is always reached otherwise infections would continue until everyone is either infected or dead. The cycle of cold and flu is evidence of this every season.

Mr McNally, like many others, makes a false argument using the narrow definition of herd immunity whereby a virus is eradicated. In so doing he denies the utility of any immunity whatsoever.

He either knows what he is talking about and is being disingenous or doesn’t know what he is talking about.

302314 ▶▶ Nigel Sherratt, replying to Gladiatrix, #1266 of 1822 🔗
301680 John P, replying to John P, 24, #1267 of 1822 🔗

Oh dear. Well, I was in quite a good mood when I came on here today.

But having received a battering from some paranoid nutters my mood has darkened.

I’ve probably upset one of them. Well, that’s free speech for you!

My main post was lost – accidentally posted – as a reply to a comment by sarigan.

(Sigh) FWIW I’ll repost it here. The nice human beings among you might appreciate it:

Last night I read a recent e-mail from my uncle in Scotland (mother’s brother in law) who exhorted me to “stay safe!” at the end. I’ve always been fond of that uncle and my aunt, his wife. They’re also my Godparents. I feel like saying, “Well, I’m not planning on living dangerously, uncle, though it would probably be a lot more fun.”

Elsewhere on Planet deranged, I was taking to my mother last night on one of my bi-weekly visits to my parents house, and she told me that my dad’s cousin, a retired GP in Norfolk had just sent them a Christmas card, with a missive included in it on which they said they were “looking forward to the vaccine”.

lol

The world really has gone totally mad, hasn’t it?

I tried to explain to my mother that “big pharma” are not charities and that the wealth of their shareholders is their primary concern not public health. I was only partly successful in this endeavour.

Nevertheless, my mother is partially sceptic these days and quite rightly has been outraged by news that her granddaughter, my 10 yo niece, is now being “forced” to miss school due to one of her year (not class) year testing positive for the covid “plague”.
Apparently my niece and her friends are not especially upset about having to miss school.

Hmm, now there’s surprise.

Nothing in that to upset anyone here was there?

Those of you who have taken a dislike to me here need to understand that I cannot allow myself to be bullied off here by you. The more you do it the more I feel I need to stay to defend my right to free speech. Even if it is painful. And sometimes it is painful.

301689 ▶▶ Luckyharry69, replying to John P, 3, #1268 of 1822 🔗

I am on your side John?….cant see why people would disagree with you?

301769 ▶▶▶ Ossettian, replying to Luckyharry69, 4, #1269 of 1822 🔗

“cant see why people would disagree with you?”

Because he calls people who don’t buy the “well-meaning incompetents” argument “paranoid nutters”?

301802 ▶▶▶▶ George Mc, replying to Ossettian, #1270 of 1822 🔗

Ah I thought I recognised the style. JP used to come onto Off Guardian as a “reverse bully” i e. he’d threaten to burst into tears if the nasty boys and girls didn’t agree with him.

301690 ▶▶ Major Panic, replying to John P, 5, #1271 of 1822 🔗

no ones bullying you John – I find it easier not to take myself or anyone else too seriously – you post some great stuff – dont get bogged down in what you think others are saying – they probably arnt – and if they are – so what

301691 ▶▶ Two-Six, replying to John P, 5, #1272 of 1822 🔗

“paranoid nutters”
?

301724 ▶▶ Sarigan, replying to John P, 1, #1273 of 1822 🔗

Didn’t upset me John P and saw that it was not in reply to my post.

301730 ▶▶ watashi, replying to John P, 3, #1274 of 1822 🔗

Sorry to hear you feel you are being bullied. Is it possible there has been some miscommunication? misinterpretation? what did the person say?

301736 ▶▶ Dorian_Hawkmoon, replying to John P, #1275 of 1822 🔗

Stay strong, John.

301783 ▶▶ Ossettian, replying to John P, 4, #1276 of 1822 🔗

Grow up.

301688 Harry hopkins, replying to Harry hopkins, 19, #1277 of 1822 🔗

Mask emergency kit

Those of you who saw this recent video of the police arresting a shopper in Sainsburys would have been just as appalled as I was I’m sure.

https://youtu.be/Y6BguCMk9GA

Our police are now the enemy of the people. They are behaving like Stasi stormtroopers and, judging by the evidence of this video, are getting off on terrorising decent law abiding people.

I am a non mask wearer and have been since the start of this disgraceful scamdemic and intend to continue in this vane. However, as this video has brought home to me, our enemy (in theory those who are supposed to watch over us) are now using tactics that are extremely intimidating, and are designed to force compliance on all of us even those who have genuine exemptions. I will not allow myself to be arrested and my family and myself to be subjected to this level of hostility.

This has led me to evaluate my preparedness and to plan how I will respond if I am faced with such overpowering aggression from these Psychopathic excuses for police officers.
I will now carry around with me my ‘get out of jail’ kit. I have never yet shown this exemption card to anyone but I will carry it now in case I am accosted by the law. If that fails to satisfy I will don a face mask there and then to de-escalate their aggression and to allow me to leave the scene whereby I will remove the mask forthwith. Needless to say I will then continue in my mask less state.

As in any war—for that is what we are seemingly fighting now—tactics have to be revised to meet the enemy head on. Play them at their own game. Let them think they have won when in reality they have only cemented our determination to outplay them.

301700 ▶▶ Cecil B, replying to Harry hopkins, 16, #1278 of 1822 🔗

Trust me, they don’t want to arrest you

They want to bully you into submission

If we all called their bluff and got arrested they would soon give up

An arrest is a lot more hassle for them than us

301757 ▶▶▶ Harry hopkins, replying to Cecil B, 4, #1279 of 1822 🔗

Sorry Cecil…couldn’t disagree more! Once they arrest you they have all your details on record. I’m not getting into a situation where they know my name, address, and whatever else helps them to put me on their ‘blacklist’. The best resistors are those who know when to maintain a low profile that allows them to fight another day. And besides, if you watched that video that officer seemed to me as if he was getting off on the confrontation….hassle or not he wasn’t going to back down!

301771 ▶▶▶▶ Nottingham69, replying to Harry hopkins, 2, #1280 of 1822 🔗

Yes DNA, prints the lot. Give them your name and there is nowhere else for them to go regarding muzzles, keeping a lanyard in the pocket and not getting in a confrontation, is best advice. Say you are exempt and these rags give you a headache and they can do jack.

302030 ▶▶▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to Nottingham69, #1281 of 1822 🔗

Indeed DNA, prints, the lot.

Followed by a wrongful arrest case, if they are challenging a mask exemption with no grounds.

Senior plod do not like cases like that appearing in the papers, nor having to pay compensation.

301704 ▶▶ Major Panic, replying to Harry hopkins, #1282 of 1822 🔗

the police follow their orders (ussually wrongly/badly) – your pissing against the wind there

301732 ▶▶ watashi, replying to Harry hopkins, 3, #1283 of 1822 🔗

I have started carrying a card in my pocket too. I don’t want to face that kind of confrontation. It is appalling.

302154 ▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to watashi, #1284 of 1822 🔗

You won’t have to. Just another attempt to cow people with a one-off media story.

301826 ▶▶ JYC, replying to Harry hopkins, 2, #1285 of 1822 🔗

That is absolutely horrific. Do the police have any idea of what they are doing? How to intimidate, harass, bully and destroy any confidence the public might have left in them.

302076 ▶▶ Richym99, replying to Harry hopkins, #1286 of 1822 🔗

I would quite happily allow them to issue me a PCN and argue it in court. After all, I am one of the lucky ones who has managed to get treatment for cancer this year, which involved me having surgery just over a month ago. The hospital (Morriston, Swansea) not only accepted that I was exempt from wearing a facemask to enter the hospital, the surgeon who performed the surgery was perfectly happy to perform the surgery under local anesthesia, accompanied by four technicians without the requirement for me to wear a mask. If a surgeon, well versed in infection control, is happy to accept that it was not necessary to wear a face mask, and still not pose a danger to him, his staff or others, then it would be hard for the police with no medical training, to contradict his expertise.

302082 ▶▶▶ Richym99, replying to Richym99, #1287 of 1822 🔗

Btw, Morriston have now started asking outpatients if the are exempt during the pre visit Covid question phone call. I have not had any issues during several return visits.

301692 John P, replying to John P, 14, #1288 of 1822 🔗

Thank you again for an excellent posting Jonathan. Another sterling effort by Toby’s team.

301731 ▶▶ Will, replying to John P, 2, #1289 of 1822 🔗

A brilliant update today.

301699 NickR, replying to NickR, 13, #1290 of 1822 🔗

I posted this earlier, a long way down, but it is illustrative of the issue. Flatlining in central & west London, peaking in East London. But we know it won’t just keep going up, it will just go back the way it’s come & the drama will subside whether they lockdown or not.

301714 ▶▶ DRW, replying to NickR, 2, #1291 of 1822 🔗

It’s another perfectly Liverpool effort, they will be patting themselves on the back in the new year that T3 and mass testing was a “success.”

301717 Cecil B, replying to Cecil B, 6, #1292 of 1822 🔗

Round here Environmental Health Officers have to have permanent police protection

301734 ▶▶ Iansn, replying to Cecil B, 3, #1293 of 1822 🔗

thats why the police must have been with the cunt who was there when the guy got arrested for not being able or willing to show his exemption.they are shits every day anyway with their normal work in restaurants and so on I had one call me to say we were open and brealing the law in first lockdown(when we were closed) I gave her a really hard time. Accepted an anonymous tip off at face value, aasked me to email her the video shwing we were closed 4 gb no worries! Shit for brains jobsworth

301765 ▶▶ Keen Cook, replying to Cecil B, 1, #1294 of 1822 🔗

The one I know here needs protection from me! I’ve never heard so much zealotry in recent conversation as she used lamppost to shelter behind (on sunny afternoon). Completely blinkered. Completely closed.

301718 Just about sane, replying to Just about sane, 13, #1295 of 1822 🔗

Does anyone need a cleaner? I may have to jack in my last remaining cleaning job. I was part time before this crap started but I’ve lost two of my clients through no fault of their own, ones business is down the toilet.
My remaining client I’m due to strangle. Retired and is a staunch member of the Labour Party, no money worries and today I found out he is no more a socialist than Boris Johnson. He has a degree and before all this crap i had respect for him, not anymore as today I discovered the reason I don’t have a degree and have always had minumum paid jobs, is not because he’s really clever and I’m not. He has a degree because he has an exceptional memory because he certainly cannot think for himself nor can he empathise with anyone less well off than him. He only listens to radio 4 and reads the times and I’m not changing his mind ever.

So today I told him to give me warning when he gets the vaccine because I’m taking two weeks off.

He sees nothing wrong with the hotel in Scotland insisting on the vaccine, he sees nothing wrong with paying for a tv licence for something I don’t watch. I told him about a young guy who suffers from depression and has been furloughed again and is threatening suicide, I blamed it on him sitting at home and having nothing to do, he can’t play football as it’s bloody banned and he had the audacity to tell me the guy could go running, fkn running and tried to tell me who actually understands depression that exercise is good for you, running on your own is still on your own with no one to talk to.

Oh and this virus is really clever because when we were in lockdown he hid away for the three weeks now we’re in tier fkn 3 he ventured out his room. I’m surprised I’m not asked to wear a facecloth.

301746 ▶▶ Charlie Blue, replying to Just about sane, 1, #1296 of 1822 🔗

He’s definitely a lost cause! Sounds excruciating. Out of interest, why are you taking 2 weeks off when he gets a vaccine? After both doses?

301725 Tony Rattray, replying to Tony Rattray, 39, #1297 of 1822 🔗

WARNING – NEW VARIANT OF STUPIDITY ANNOUNCED BY GOVERNMENT TODAY

After nine months of “general stupidity”, governments across the uk have today announced that there is a new variant of “more potent stupidity” increasing amongst the population.

As before, remember to keep clapping like a seal in a mask whilst everything around you continues to fall apart. Fish anyone?

301737 ▶▶ Luckyharry69, replying to Tony Rattray, 9, #1298 of 1822 🔗

I am actually not having to see my Brother-In-Law this Xmas.So every cloud has a silver lining……

301786 ▶▶ IanE, replying to Tony Rattray, 1, #1299 of 1822 🔗

‘Fish anyone?’

Oh, sorry, the EUrinal have it all.

301727 Awkward Git, replying to Awkward Git, 14, #1300 of 1822 🔗

How is this for surreal?

Watched outside factory while waiting for a pallet to be loaded, masks required for all staff (but not me, they all accept the exemption for me but not their own staff) then:

  • small groups all close together came out
  • make whipped off
  • go to smoking area
  • have a quick cigarette all huddled together in the shelter
  • walk back to factory door all huddled together
  • stop, masks on
  • all go in and back to work

Surreal to watch.

301733 ▶▶ Just about sane, replying to Awkward Git, 1, #1301 of 1822 🔗

Reminds me of the two young women with two kids. The women were walking in front of me outside both smoking, when they finished their fags, they chucked them away and stopped and put on their facecloths.

301752 ▶▶▶ stefarm, replying to Just about sane, 2, #1302 of 1822 🔗

The masks and their breath must stink

301762 ▶▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to stefarm, 1, #1303 of 1822 🔗

Loss of smell and taste ……

302101 ▶▶ Mr Dee, replying to Awkward Git, #1304 of 1822 🔗

My son’s taken up smoking at uni to make friends. Only place students are allowed to congregate with others outside their accomodation bubble is the smoking area.

301728 Jane G, replying to Jane G, 12, #1305 of 1822 🔗

Are they droning on longer than usual and trying to bore us into submission?
When will we hear a sceptical question?
I get it, I get it; we all have to come together, follow the rules, have a skimpy, draughty, careful Christmas and if the ‘infections’ go up afterwards it will be all our fault.
Oh God, I can’t bear it….
Yule Rules.

301760 ▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Jane G, 1, #1306 of 1822 🔗

Yule was a time for everyone to gather round a big bonfire.
An suggestions ……?

301789 ▶▶▶ Basics, replying to Cheezilla, 1, #1307 of 1822 🔗

Penny for the guy…

301778 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to Jane G, 1, #1308 of 1822 🔗

They rifled through the questions. Nothing to note at all

301738 DThom, replying to DThom, 6, #1309 of 1822 🔗

Just watching the women’s US open golf and the silly madam wearing a mask to play!
Never seen anything like it!

301741 ▶▶ Iansn, replying to DThom, 2, #1310 of 1822 🔗

welcome to Old Joes new world

301758 ▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Iansn, #1311 of 1822 🔗

Practising for the 100 days?

301739 Will, 5, #1312 of 1822 🔗

Have they announced the scores on the doors yet or are they still scrabbling about down the back of the sofa to find a few more deaths?

301740 Iansn, replying to Iansn, 8, #1313 of 1822 🔗

the death figures still not posted something is afoot

301916 ▶▶ Liz F, replying to Iansn, 1, #1314 of 1822 🔗

20,263 cases, 232 deaths.

301743 George Mc, replying to George Mc, 8, #1315 of 1822 🔗

Oh dear I just heard there’s a new variant of the virus taking to the night sky on vast scaly wings, fangs bared and eager for blood. Reassuring noises from the official viral expert – as of yet. But stay tuned. Popcorn served in the break.

301775 ▶▶ Ovis, replying to George Mc, 1, #1316 of 1822 🔗

At this point, given the choice between our current rulers and your Covid Monster, I would vote for the latter. But why bother voting?

301824 ▶▶ A. Contrarian, replying to George Mc, 2, #1317 of 1822 🔗

If the vaccine still works, as the Cocking Wanker still claims it will, then surely it makes no difference? Anyone naturally immune is therefore still immune to the new virus (if not then the vaccine presumably won’t work, being based on the old one), and if not you’ll either catch one or the other variant, who cares which. What’s the big deal?

301748 calchas, replying to calchas, 14, #1318 of 1822 🔗

With 17 days to go, and taking into account the rising trend year over year, we are looking at no excess deaths in the US for 2020:

2013: 2,596,993
2014: 2,626,418
2015: 2,712,630
2016: 2,744,248
2017: 2,813,503
2018: 2,839,205
2019: 2,855,000
2020: as of December 14th total deaths= 2,748,341

https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/nvss/vsrr/covid19/index.htm

If this bears out – with no excess deaths – then it will be slightly surprising, given the panic and fear induced reluctance to use health care facilities, the excess use of ventilators, as well as the other horrors of lockdown.

301812 ▶▶ Suitejb, replying to calchas, #1319 of 1822 🔗

Ridiculous. How many restaurants in tier 3 would bother to open on that basis. They either open and take all bookings or not at all. Idiots!

301816 ▶▶▶ Suitejb, replying to Suitejb, #1320 of 1822 🔗

Oops! Replied to wrong post. Should have been alw’s below!

301823 ▶▶ Cranmer, replying to calchas, 5, #1321 of 1822 🔗

I’m not sure any stats matter any more. People worldwide seem to have made up their minds. This happened on a smaller scale with the ban on indoor smoking in public – I recall showing people that the same stats which stated second hand smoking caused lung cancer also showed the same risk from drinking milk or keeping pet birds. Even a fairly hardcore libertarian (by English standards) I spoke to accepted those figures but said he still supported a ban simply because he didn’t like the smell of smoke.

302011 ▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to Cranmer, #1322 of 1822 🔗

There were many, many people of that mind, Cranmer. Smoke bad !

301888 ▶▶ A leaf, replying to calchas, #1323 of 1822 🔗

This 2020 total death counts start from 1st of February. I searched January cdc reported 264000 deaths so if we add 3.012.341 ..so there is an increase. But the number i found from cdc 264000seems so overall so it might not be definitive. I will leave the link below. Correct me if I am wrong

https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/nvss/vsrr/provisional-tables.htm

301753 alw, replying to alw, 12, #1324 of 1822 🔗
  • From the Spectator this evening. “Hancock also revealed that a ‘test and dine’ scheme is being piloted to allow people who test negative for Covid to visit restaurants in areas under the toughest restrictions.” Smacks of desperation. Given all we know about false positives, Lighthouse labs can’t see this one taking off. Will not be patronising any restaurants that have this in place. In fact this gives rise to black market fake test results. What could possibly go wrong?
301755 ▶▶ Cecil B, replying to alw, 5, #1325 of 1822 🔗

They would have to beg me and I would still tell them to fuck off

301819 ▶▶▶ A. Contrarian, replying to Cecil B, #1326 of 1822 🔗

Even if they paid me one squillion pounds I still wouldn’t do it, just to show them!

302125 ▶▶▶▶ Cranmer, replying to A. Contrarian, #1327 of 1822 🔗

A meal out will probably cost about one squillion pounds soon the way the government is printing money!

301768 ▶▶ Julian, replying to alw, 12, #1328 of 1822 🔗

Health passports

Medico-fascism

301793 ▶▶▶ Major Panic, replying to Julian, 2, #1329 of 1822 🔗

health passports – worst case senario – find a corupt GP

LOL – that’ll be hard

301808 ▶▶▶ Cranmer, replying to Julian, 2, #1330 of 1822 🔗

Yep, win-win situation for the likes of Wancksock – if you fail the test, that’s another one chalked up for that week’s worrying increase in cases. If you pass, it gets you normalised to the idea of a health passport.

301803 ▶▶ Cranmer, replying to alw, 4, #1331 of 1822 🔗

Went out with the memsahib to a restaurant the other night (East Anglian market town). Neither of us wore masks. Waitress didn’t say anything. She asked if I had the track and trace app. I said no, and she just shrugged and showed us to our table.

301818 ▶▶ A. Contrarian, replying to alw, 4, #1332 of 1822 🔗

I don’t think I can take any more of that man’s pronouncements without going bona fide insane.

If it really was a deadly catastrophic pandemic why would they be faffing about with ridiculous things like this? Surely there’s a risk of you catching the f-ing thing in the queue for the test? WHY OH WHY CAN’T HE JUST B*GGER OFF!!

301754 Tenchy, replying to Tenchy, 2, #1333 of 1822 🔗

Quick question: this bollocks of no mixing households in so-called “Tier 3”, is it THE LAW, or just strong advice? In other words, could you be prosecuted for not adhering to it?

301756 ▶▶ Cecil B, replying to Tenchy, 10, #1334 of 1822 🔗

Not directed at you but them ‘Who cares? I will do as I want’

301763 ▶▶▶ Tenchy, replying to Cecil B, 1, #1335 of 1822 🔗

Yes, I would/will do as I want, but someone who may want to visit us is a bit concerned.

301767 ▶▶▶▶ Julian, replying to Tenchy, 2, #1336 of 1822 🔗

It’s law, I am sure you’ll find the relevant Statutory instruments with a web search.

In reality I think it’s fairly well agreed the police can’t enter your property with good reason, and suspecting you’ve got guests isn’t a good reason

301770 ▶▶▶▶▶ Cecil B, replying to Julian, #1337 of 1822 🔗

They can enter premises in Wales

302093 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Mr Dee, replying to Cecil B, 1, #1338 of 1822 🔗

Quite true. I’ve had two coppers come round within the last two weeks. Off-duty, cordially invited, and not giving a flying fuck about the restrictions….

301777 ▶▶▶▶▶ Tenchy, replying to Julian, #1339 of 1822 🔗

Thanks. Thought so, but just needed to check.

301779 ▶▶▶▶ Basics, replying to Tenchy, 3, #1340 of 1822 🔗

Another nonhelpful reply here Tenchy too but hopefully valid.

Is it Law that we must now listen to the various fuckwits in suits as they pass decree after decree? It is our place now the ensure we regularly, routinely tune in and listwn out for the latest legality and decipher that from the latest rule, reg, guidance? I mean is it LAW?

The situation to the reasonable man or woman is that we cannot possibly keep up with vatioys whims. There is a spirit among both the skeptic and non-skeptic alike that we must know what the latest is. But why must we?

It’s a full on circus, it gives a headache listening, it is stomache churning at times and vomit inducing at others. It is repellant. So why do we listen? Is it Law?

Hopefully someone has answered you properly Tenchy – its a good point and useful to know to reassure others with.

301848 ▶▶▶▶▶ Tenchy, replying to Basics, 2, #1341 of 1822 🔗

I can’t now bring myself to watch the buffoons. I used to be able to stomach it, but the likes of Wancock now make me want to hit the tv with a baseball bat.

301772 ▶▶ Iansn, replying to Tenchy, 4, #1342 of 1822 🔗

they cant come into your house to check so tell them to fuck off and close the door. No worries, as long as they dont leave whilst the bill stand around the corner there is no evidence either

301800 ▶▶▶ Cranmer, replying to Iansn, 1, #1343 of 1822 🔗

Similarly with going about the Queen’s Highway on your lawful occasions. Even if the police stop you and ask where you are going (which is unlikely) you can simply reply ‘work’ or ‘to visit my support bubble’. They can’t prove either of these are false (though you would be advised to at least have some supporting ‘evidence’ to back up your claim.

302005 ▶▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to Cranmer, #1344 of 1822 🔗

‘Providing support to a vulnerable person’ is a good one. Just have a friendly vulnerable person on board, and that’s that.

302122 ▶▶▶▶▶ Cranmer, replying to JohnB, 1, #1345 of 1822 🔗

Yes. That’s the one I used in Lockdown 1, before bubbles were invented. I discovered I had a lot of elderly housebound relatives in many different parts of the UK.

302266 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to Cranmer, #1346 of 1822 🔗

Most of the vulnerable people I supported had similar tastes in food, music, beer, and entheogens, 🙂

301761 Awkward Git, replying to Awkward Git, #1347 of 1822 🔗

Got a reply from a local city council finally answering my e-mail to the council leader:

Thank you for your comments and questions dated 06 October 2020 and my huge apologies for the delay in responding to you. I did draft a response and somehow that has got lost and I failed to finalise it and translate it into a formal reply.

The fault is entirely mine and I can only plead an oversight at a time of high volume of workload.

As a local authority we are bound by the provisions of the Coronavirus Act 2020 which is an Act of Parliament that grants the government emergency powers to handle the Covid 19 pandemic. The Act gives the government the discretionary power to limit or suspend public gatherings, to detail individuals suspected to be infected with Covid 19 and to intervene or relax regulations in a range of sectors, and assist healthcare workers and the economically affected.

There are other pieces of legislation like the Health Protection (Coronavirus, Restrictions) (All Tiers) (England) Regulations 2020.

Many of the issues that you raise are included within this legislation while others are indeed guidance which we are encouraged and expected to implement and enforce. Social Distancing and other Public Health Guidance has been distilled and communicated by all the leading national experts and government advisers and, along with all other local authorities in the West Midlands, we have adopted these.

Our view is that the guidelines are appropriate and the right thing to do and so we are following them – There will always be people who disagree just as there are many who agree and that is the nature of democracy. You challenge whether the government has any evidence to support their restrictions and I think that is a matter that you will need to take up with central government rather than ourselves if you wish to challenge it.

You question the veracity of the different tests and the need to self isolate after a positive result or being a close contact of someone who has tested positive. The science behind the tests is decided at SAGE and other similar high level scientific meetings and the implications are agreed and decided by government after advice by the scientists.

It is clearly stated that someone who tests positive or who is told to self isolate by the App or by NHS Test and Tell us if you need this letter in an alternative format Get in touch Telephone: 01782 234 234 stoke.gov.uk

Trace must do so for the required timescale by law. There is no option for a local authority to vary that requirement and we are charged with supporting the individual if they need it and working with the police to enforce it.

It is clear that you disagree with the view of Councillor Brown, Leader of the Council, about the state of our town and city centres, the footfall seen in them and the extent to which economies and businesses are coping with the pressures and restrictions caused by Covid 19. Once again, there will be many different views on a subject such as this and one could debate the perceptions for many hours without necessarily being able to change someone’s deeply held convictions. I hope that, when we eventually are able to get free from the grip of this virus as a City and as a country, you will see the City recover quickly. I know that the Leader strongly believes that we are in a position to quickly recover.

I hope you recognise that it is not possible to answer your questions as many of them are really for central government and not ourselves. I hope I have been able to explain that there are many different perceptions and beliefs at the moment which is both understandable and predictable – the best we can do is to accept that try to work together within the law and on those things we can agree on to try to find our way out of this current difficult situation. I hope that you feel able to do that.

I apologise again for the very late response and I hope you will appreciate the reasons why.

301764 ▶▶ Awkward Git, replying to Awkward Git, 16, #1348 of 1822 🔗

My answer:

Please pass onto Dr xxxxxx my thanks for his surprisingly honest answer to my letter. It was much appreciated.

As Dr xxxxxxxx states he has every faith in the “science” according to SAGE and PHE.

Could he kindly supply the science he has in his possession that gives him this faith?

It would be most appreciated by us sceptics to show that the Government and the Councils that have willingly grabbed all the powers available to them under the various pieces of legislation and with teh Police seem to be relishing throwing their weight around but refuse to accept any of the responsibility for teh economic and social destruction that is being perpertrated on this country.

I, among many others in the lockdownsceptics community and independeet scientists and researchers, have challenged central Government numerous times using the Freedom of Information Act since March 2020 and have received no science whatsoever from them which can be verified by independent research, information in the public domain or even from the Government’s own websites which justifies any of their actions.

A couple of examples:

This document is about what a RT-PCR test result means, it is posted on the Government’s own website:

https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/926410/Understanding_Cycle_Threshold__Ct__in_SARS-CoV-2_RT-PCR_.pdf

Some quotes:

Cycle threshold (Ct) is a semi-quantitative value that can broadly categorise the concentration of viral genetic material in a patient sample following testing by RT PCR as low, medium or high – that is, it tells us approximately how much viral genetic material is in the sample.

A single Ct value in the absence of clinical context cannot be relied upon for decision making about a person’s infectivity.

The clinical significance of positive results with high Ct are difficult to interpret in the absence of clinical history and context.

And the absolute best and damning quote:

RT-PCR detects presence of viral genetic material in a sample but is not able to distinguish whether infectious virus is present.

Then this in a FOI request answer from the Department of Health and Social Care Reference FOI-1240596 and it stated that a positive PCR test means nothing medically.

The actual quote: “SARS-CoV-2 RNA means the RNA is present in that sample at that point in time. It does not mean that the patient has the novel coronavirus (COVID-19).”

Then how about this quote from CMO Whitty stating on 21st July 2020 in a Parliamentary Committee hearing:

“If you look atthe R, and the behaviours, quite a lot of the change that led to the R going below one occurred well before, or to some extent before, the 23rd, when the full lockdown started.” :

And Professor Dingwall, a SAGE member, about social distancing that is easily found in an internet search:

“it was conjured up out of nowhere”.

Or from a RT-PCR test kit manufacturer that the Government uses and who I picked at random and contacted asking for information about what a test result means.

In the various technical documents they sent me it stated at various points:

The final diagnosis should not be based solely on the results of this product. The final diagnosis should be based on a combination of different test methods and clinical results at the discretion of the physician”

The detection of viral RNA of SARS-CoV-2 is dependent upon proper specimen collection, handling, transportation, storage, and preparation, including extraction. Failure to observe proper procedures in any one of these steps can lead to incorrect results.

Results from the device should be correlated with the clinical history, epidemiological data and other data available to the clinician evaluating the patient.

This device is a qualitative test and does not provide information on the viral load present in the specimen

This test cannot rule out diseases caused by other bacterial or viral pathogens.

Cross-reactivity with respiratory tract organisms other than those listed in the Analytical Specificity Study may lead to erroneous results.

Can Dr xxxxxxxxxx please explain how this “science” gives him full confidence that the restrictions are justified and proportionate? And how does this “science” compare with the science he has faith in?

301799 ▶▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to Awkward Git, 3, #1349 of 1822 🔗

Well said. He has two choices. 1) Ignore you 2) Admit he does what he’s told, nothing else

301995 ▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Awkward Git, #1350 of 1822 🔗

Wonderful!
I bet his reply will be somewhat delayed but let’s hope he takes your points seriously.

302089 ▶▶▶ Stringfellow Hawke, replying to Awkward Git, #1351 of 1822 🔗

Brilliant. AG you are my hero! 🙂

301773 Bill Hickling, replying to Bill Hickling, 3, #1352 of 1822 🔗

Dr Clare Craig’s video tells us that PHE did immunity testing showing around 50% immunity. That is, aside from the antibody testing. Does anyone have any knowledge of this and/ or why it is ignored by the government? Thanks.

301813 ▶▶ Freecumbria, replying to Bill Hickling, 4, #1353 of 1822 🔗

https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/936461/EDSAB-HOME_study-details-research-protocol-outputs_18-11-20.pdf

About 1/4 of the keyworker population studied had high levels of T cells which recognised SARS-CoV-2 in their blood when they joined the study in June 2020.By ‘high levels’ we mean levels similar to those seen in people who have had COVID-19 disease.However, about half the people with high levels of T cells in their blood have not had COVID-19, as far as we could tell-the cells were probably there because of previous infection with coronaviruses other than SARS-CoV-2.

Importantly, in our study people with higher levels of circulating T cells appeared to be protected from COVID-19 in the four months after recruitment in June 2020. This applies both to people who have been previously infected with COVID-19, and to those who had not

301907 ▶▶▶ Bill Hickling, replying to Freecumbria, 2, #1354 of 1822 🔗

So why is this not being shouted from the rooftops? We already have community immunity.

301980 ▶▶▶▶ Freecumbria, replying to Bill Hickling, 2, #1355 of 1822 🔗

Vallance and Whitty claimed that 93% of the population were still susceptible, but the PHE evidence suggests this is wrong because measured antibodies ignore those with prior T call immunity through encountering a previous coronavirus (such as the 4 common cold coronaviruses) or through getting covid having a T cell response but insufficient antibodies at the time they are tested to test +ve (for example those who have a mild illness and have minimal antibodies and or antibodies that wane over time and fall below the test threshold).

I’m not aware of any PHE publication that suggests 50% have immunity (albeit immunity isn’t absolute) but the PHE study I linked to suggests it is at least 25% in a certain grouping albeit not a random sample. Note they set the bar high for ‘high levels’ of T-cells, so there will be others who have reactive T cells but not at as high a level as someone who had significant covid-19 in say April. So it could be 50% in these health workers.

There are lots of published papers in the cell journal etc covering T cell responses. And Michael Yeadon has set out his expert thoughts on immunity levels in some of his articles here. And Ivor Cummins did a great video with Creon Levitt where they went through the different immune system responses.

It looks like that we are close to herd immunity, perhaps we were less so in the North West for example in August but they have now caught up London. But herd immunity isn’t a threshold that is crossed once it is an equilibrium and because of seasonality amongst other things (and because of some waning immunity) it means the equilibrium point changes and there is some covid going into winter, but there is also significant community immunity there to stop major spread. Essentially we appear to be close to an endemic position at the moment.

In answer to your question I don’t know why all these sorts of things are being ignored.

I’ve no expertise in this area at all so this is just my very weak attempt at an explanation based on what I’ve read.

301774 theanalyst, replying to theanalyst, 28, #1356 of 1822 🔗

Watching The Crown Season 1 just now. During the great fog of London.

The doctor says…..”Masks are bloody useless, just for show, to make it look like the government are actually doing something”

Wise words.

301781 ▶▶ Ozzie, replying to theanalyst, 4, #1357 of 1822 🔗

… and that is to remove particulates – imagine how effective they are for a virus!

301787 ▶▶ crimsonpirate, replying to theanalyst, 2, #1358 of 1822 🔗

a lot of people died and the govt blamed it on a flu epidemic

301809 ▶▶ A. Contrarian, replying to theanalyst, 3, #1359 of 1822 🔗

I watched this a few weeks ago too. Noted the same words. Also noted how the hospitals just kept going and didn’t whinge about being too busy…

301785 ▶▶ Basics, replying to Alice, 3, #1361 of 1822 🔗

*may*
Also look at what courts both sides of the pond have done in the past month towards justice Dolan case and Texas..

Nice if it happened though.

301871 ▶▶ stefarm, replying to Alice, 1, #1362 of 1822 🔗

He is not even a doctor, fraud

301782 dommo, replying to dommo, 4, #1363 of 1822 🔗

this wonder drug ivermectin seems a bit of a rum do – available on amazon/your local high street pet shop in various forms as some kind of aid to stop pets getting mange/mites etc – so obviously cheap and freely available

301921 ▶▶ JohnB, replying to dommo, 1, #1364 of 1822 🔗

Like HCQ. I think I see a pattern here ..

301788 Cecil B, replying to Cecil B, 33, #1365 of 1822 🔗

I suspect we will soon see the emergence of the ‘speakeasy’ and restaurants, cafes and takeaways who will operate outside the ‘regulated’ sector

Constantly changing rules, opening, closing, opening, closing ad infinitum

Horrendous bullying and harassment from the police and councils

Exorbitant fines in excess of £10,000

The more they comply the more they get hounded

Surely better to be completely illegal? No business rates, no income tax, VAT, and the fines are less draconian

301794 ▶▶ Country Mumkin, replying to Cecil B, 10, #1366 of 1822 🔗

Totally agree. We could be holding secret supper clubs x

301791 Adam, 1, #1367 of 1822 🔗

more bullshit from the Johnson gang get rid now enough is enough i am not into conspiracy theories things are improving despite what We hear from the conniving press

301795 Kevin 2, replying to Kevin 2, 8, #1368 of 1822 🔗

Just a word on adverse events.

By convention, these are graded from 1-5. Serious adverse events are grades 3-5.
Applies to any investigational medical intervention in clinical trial.

This is the widely used classification system:-

Grade 1: Mild . Requiring no specific intervention.
Grade 2: Moderate . may require a local and / or non-invasive intervention.
Grade 3: Severe or serious . May require hospitalisation or other invasive intervention.
Grade 4: Life-threatening or disabling . May require emergency medical intervention and intensive care.
Grade 5. Game over

So all SAE’s Grade 3-5 are serious .

Adverse event reporting in clinical trials is notoriously non-comprehensive, and often uses euphemisms, such as ‘acceptable safety profile’, ‘no new safety signals’.
And often includes statements such as ‘only one serious adverse event was experienced by more than 1% of participants’.
As you might expect when the reporting is done by the industry sponsor themselves…

What one should always look for is the total percentage of trial subjects that experienced any type of SAE grades 3-5. And in a randomised trial, an arm by arm comparison (investigational drug v control drug)
It is supposed to be the job of the regulator, whether it is the FDA or the EMA or the MHRA to tease out any less than transparent reporting of adverse events, when application for approval is made.

In a trial population of 65m, a 1% incidence of SAE’s, would translate to 650,000 serious adverse events.

In order to give informed consent to any medical intervention, comprehensive information must be given regarding both efficacy and adverse events, otherwise consent cannot be properly informed.

301805 ▶▶ A. Contrarian, replying to Kevin 2, 4, #1369 of 1822 🔗

More to the point, wouldn’t it overwhelm the hospitals in exactly the same way they are supposedly being overwhelmed now?

301833 ▶▶▶ Kevin 2, replying to A. Contrarian, 4, #1370 of 1822 🔗

SAE’s tend to be under-recognised or under-acknowledged. And causality denied.
The US Vaccine Injury Compensation Program has paid out over $4B in the last few years and it has been estimated that only 1% of cases make it that far.
Conditions such as autism or loss of fertility don’t show up overnight, and are routinely denied.

301834 ▶▶ Ben, replying to Kevin 2, 4, #1371 of 1822 🔗

I’m hoping for an asteroid event

301814 ▶▶ Ricky R, replying to AnotherSceptic, 7, #1373 of 1822 🔗

The goalposts need a reason to shift now that we’ve reached the vaccine goalposts.

301817 ▶▶▶ AnotherSceptic, replying to Ricky R, 15, #1374 of 1822 🔗

Wankcock is seriously making this up as he goes along now & because of this, El Presidente Sturgeon has said that she will be monitoring this closely & introduce new measures if necessary.

If Necessary actually means “WILL” introduce more measures!!

Seriously, this is well & truly beyond a joke now.
I just want to scream “Wake the fuck up sheeple!!! We are being taken for absolute mugs here”

301917 ▶▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to AnotherSceptic, 2, #1375 of 1822 🔗

Wankcock is seriously making this up as he goes along now …

Or the plan is unfolding as it has from the start of 2020. Every few weeks, a new focus, a new alarm, a new reason for fear.

I suppose a psychopath making it all up is a tad less frightening though.

301827 ▶▶ George Mc, replying to AnotherSceptic, 10, #1376 of 1822 🔗

Well if they’re going to have a new variant every few months I hope they show a bit of imagination. How about a variant that makes your genitalia explode or turns you into a big souffle?

301994 ▶▶▶ Pancho the Grey, replying to George Mc, 1, #1377 of 1822 🔗

Oh, so that is what caused it, good to know.

301847 ▶▶ Just about sane, replying to AnotherSceptic, 12, #1378 of 1822 🔗

And yon wee witch in Edinburgh is off again. So what else can she take from us? Christmas? She’s already claimed hogmanay and she’s so itching to lock us all down again. She can’t ban us from mixing anywhere, we’re already banned. She can’t ban enjoyment she’s stolen that as well. She can’t make a law where we can’t leave our council area, the wee witch has already done that.

The amount of law abiding citizens that I see on a daily basis breaking one law or another has turned half the Scottish population into criminals.

The quicker the money dries up for yon wee witch the better, the Scots may get up off their backsides and bloody rise again and shout FREEDOM but it won’t be to seperate from the United Kingdom but to be free of the tyranny this wee power hungry witch has inflicted on us.

301883 ▶▶▶ JHuntz, replying to Just about sane, 5, #1379 of 1822 🔗

Yeah, I have broken the law countless times now. I never thought I would say that in my lifetime.

301945 ▶▶▶▶ Just about sane, replying to JHuntz, 3, #1380 of 1822 🔗

I turned 60 this year and I stole something from a shop when I was 13 for a dare and that was the one and only crime I had ever committed, until this year. I now find myself breaking the law every day. I am finding thanks to lockdown skeptics I’m getting more relaxed about doing so.

301857 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to AnotherSceptic, 8, #1381 of 1822 🔗

It completely maddening. So with a new strain it means absolutely nothing but more pain. Everything else is tickety boo, the vaccine still works, lockdowns still save lives, we will still need masks though, but don’t worry you will not die. We need to report on this daily again now. CV19 and CV20 side by side.

They are stalling for time now. Is this a question of get Biden in just? Is it the China leak? Is it the FBi investigations into the Biden sons (yeah those that the New York Post uncovered pre election, well they was actually something to investigate, who’d have thunk it)? Is it the Brexit fall out?

Why are they putting so much effort into maintaining the fraud when it’s clear as day it’s falling apart?

301866 ▶▶▶ stefarm, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 1, #1382 of 1822 🔗

Because there is no vaccine so the pantomime continues

301868 ▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 2, #1383 of 1822 🔗

One Tory nob in the HofC today told Ham Cock “All I want for Christmas is Tier 2”

That’s what we’re up against!

301862 ▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to AnotherSceptic, 2, #1384 of 1822 🔗

New variant found in The South.
Well, well well. Great excuse to get tier 1 into tier 3.

302001 ▶▶▶ Pancho the Grey, replying to Cheezilla, #1385 of 1822 🔗

Ah, the Southern pooftah virus.

301865 ▶▶ stefarm, replying to AnotherSceptic, 3, #1386 of 1822 🔗

She will fuck Xmas, all the puppets are following the same script.

301955 ▶▶▶ Cranmer, replying to stefarm, 2, #1387 of 1822 🔗

I suppose it’s possible that the ‘new strain’ is going to be used as an excuse to ban the Christmas reprieve, but they’ve only got 11 days to ramp up the fear sufficiently to get away with that – I don’t think even the most Coronanist sheeple would stand for that.

301910 ▶▶ DJ Dod, replying to AnotherSceptic, 11, #1388 of 1822 🔗

According to the article: ‘The Health Secretary said there was nothing to suggest the variant was more likely to cause serious disease and he suggested the vaccine should still be effective.

“But it shows we’ve got to be vigilant and follow the rules and everyone needs to take personal responsibility not to spread this virus,” he said.’

So, nothing to worry about if you all do as you are told and don’t question the Nanny State. They’re really scraping the bottom of the barrel now.

301807 DRW, replying to DRW, 1, #1389 of 1822 🔗

AIER: Tyranny During Its Reign Is Unrecognized by Its Victims
https://www.aier.org/article/tyranny-during-its-reign-is-unrecognized-by-its-victims
Let’s hope this article is proven right.

301829 ▶▶ Ben, replying to DRW, 1, #1390 of 1822 🔗

I hope there is some justice

301835 ▶▶▶ DRW, replying to Ben, 2, #1391 of 1822 🔗

As do I but there has been very little so far.

301810 Tking, replying to Tking, 51, #1392 of 1822 🔗

What I find even more depressing about this, is that the vast majority of the public who are reciving furlough/wages/self employed grant who I meet, dont give a s*** about those of us left with £0 if there is a lockdown (not talking about people on here as you all get it) I work in a close contact job, and most of my clients think tougher lockdowns are the way to go, I then explain that I have had 5 months with no wages this year and will get nothing in another lockdown, and they say thats horrible, but they are ok financially and will help their children out to make sure they are OK, even telling me how much more money they have, and they have financially benefitted from the lockdowns. At least I have been able to work over the summer and back this month, lots of others have been left destitute/in industries totally shut down like travel and a huge wave of job losses to come in London this month due to Tier 3.

This has really bought it home to me how little empathy people have generally. They dont care about people loosing everything, they dont care about the upcoming cancer bombshell and the total hell those poor people will go through, and all the other diseases left untreated, they have tunnel vision on Covid, which for most people is a minor illness, and as long as they are getting paid they dont care. If all the support were taken away overnight, I think the mood would change dramatically. I try and explain this to people and changed a few minds, I never thought things would get this bad.

301836 ▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Tking, 8, #1393 of 1822 🔗

Wow, there’s plain obtuse and downright callous but those people take it to a different level entirely.

301843 ▶▶ kh1485, replying to Tking, 20, #1394 of 1822 🔗

You are so right about this. Most people don’t give a damn, they think the pain is for others. It really pisses me off, the faux-pity and the ‘well, what can you do?’ attitude. They have absolutely no concept of what they have colluded in pissing away.

301846 ▶▶ Smelly Melly, replying to Tking, 9, #1395 of 1822 🔗

And the sceptics are the selfish ones.

301872 ▶▶ Mabel Cow, replying to Tking, 12, #1396 of 1822 🔗

No, indeed. They couldn’t give a fuck about anyone else and only care about their own lives. Which is why they’ll look so surprised when they are herded into a cattle truck and taken to the waste disposal plant. I mean, seriously: how many Nazi films do these dolts need to watch on Netflix before the penny drops?

301876 ▶▶ Alexei, replying to Tking, 19, #1397 of 1822 🔗

Your experience mirrors my own, and in some ways it’s the most depressing aspect of this whole crisis.

I’m not sure how I’ll ever be able to trust or respect my fellow man ever again, such is their dead-eyed ignorance or smarmy nonchalance when discussing the predicament of small business.

I lost my second biggest client today, and my third has already been emailing me since the London Tier 3 announcement, almost certain to “temporarily” suspend services until next summer. It’s just brutal and nobody but nobody gives a shit.

With that said, my wife has had some success meeting sceptic mums lately, and we went round to a couple’s house for tea yesterday. It was heartening to meet authentic, alive, spiritually healthy people. It feels like it’s been a long time and we had a wonderful time.

As we left, they said – genuinely – that they hope things turn up for me soon. They are the first people to say that in this entire 9 month ordeal.

301949 ▶▶▶ Tking, replying to Alexei, 5, #1398 of 1822 🔗

Fingers crossed for both our businesses, I really hope we turn the corner in 2021, I cant see how it can go on past March, Rishi’s magic money tree will have died by then surely?

301952 ▶▶▶▶ Jonathan Palmer, replying to Tking, 6, #1399 of 1822 🔗

This goes on for as long as the Government can suspend economic reality.

301989 ▶▶ Pancho the Grey, replying to Tking, 7, #1400 of 1822 🔗

We have a hairdresser come to our home and she suffered from the first lockdown, however when she finally turned up we tried to make up for the missed appointments especially as she had a lot more work to do, she refused to take all of the money but was happy to accept more to cover the extra work. It is interesting to hear her accounts of different people’s response to the “threat”. One scared older lady insisted on wearing a mask, but actually passed out whilst having her hair done due to oxygen reduction. Paramedics attended and she revived but was advised not to wear a mask in future

302213 ▶▶ Sue, replying to Tking, #1401 of 1822 🔗

Totally hear what you’re saying – it breaks my heart to hear of more job losses, to see the shops closed up and more people begging on the streets. Yet all the flowery mask wearers couldn’t give a damn with a “ohh well it’s for the greater good” … makes my blood boil the smarmy, smug insouciant sods more interested in their flippin fairy cakes than the plight of the country and people suffering!

301820 Cheezilla, replying to Cheezilla, 18, #1402 of 1822 🔗

So, Ham Cock declares there’s a deadly new mutation, on the same day that London is put into tier 3 and the same day there’s a HoC debate about Covid.

Have I missed something?

301840 ▶▶ Will, replying to Cheezilla, 15, #1403 of 1822 🔗

I think the penny has finally dropped that made up figures get torn to pieces so the tactic is to be made up mutations.

301863 ▶▶▶ Mabel Cow, replying to Will, 4, #1404 of 1822 🔗

But they are still not going to be able to fake the deaths.

I shall be interested so see what fraud they will resort to when the end-of-year all-causes mortality figures are in and are shown to be dead-nuts on the expected figures based on historical averages and population growth / aging.

301870 ▶▶▶▶ Julian, replying to Mabel Cow, 3, #1405 of 1822 🔗

No one in the MSM or the opposition will point it out

301867 ▶▶▶ Julian, replying to Will, 2, #1406 of 1822 🔗

Well spotted about the figures

They are getting more blatant all the time

301821 T. Prince, replying to T. Prince, 4, #1407 of 1822 🔗

Swiss Policy Research December update

https://swprs.org/facts-about-covid-19/

301854 ▶▶ Mabel Cow, replying to T. Prince, 10, #1408 of 1822 🔗

An excellent summary.

If I had any friends left, I would definitely send it to them.

301873 ▶▶ Leemc23, replying to T. Prince, #1409 of 1822 🔗

Could you confirm for me who the SWPRS are. Is it Swiss gov ?

301893 ▶▶▶ Mabel Cow, replying to Leemc23, 7, #1410 of 1822 🔗

Accordingly to themselves, Swiss Policy Research is an anonymous group, not officially aligned with anyone.

Wikipedia does a good job of smearing SPR, from which I conclude that what SPR says is probably true.

302074 ▶▶▶▶ Ben, replying to Mabel Cow, #1411 of 1822 🔗

It’s a shame there’s not a genuine ‘Anonymous’ group with Guy Fawkes masks using cyber technology against the bad guys…

301918 ▶▶▶ T. Prince, replying to Leemc23, 2, #1412 of 1822 🔗

“Swiss Policy Research (SPR), founded in 2016, is an independent, nonpartisan and nonprofit research group investigating geopolitical propaganda in Swiss and international media. SPR is composed of independent academics and receives no external funding”

301985 ▶▶▶ crimsonpirate, replying to Leemc23, 1, #1413 of 1822 🔗

initially their name was “Swiss Propaganda Research” -not the best of names for an English audience! I still have a print out from 25.03.20 when I started digging and before I found LS.

301838 NickR, replying to NickR, 3, #1414 of 1822 🔗

Always good to have a look at the data. I see the Taffs are getting very exercised at present. It’s a hell of a pandemic when fewer people than normal are dying despite the NHS closing for the winter.

301853 ▶▶ A. Contrarian, replying to NickR, 1, #1415 of 1822 🔗

Similar to London really.

301842 BeBopRockSteady, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 1, #1416 of 1822 🔗

And so the study comes to the result that the mortality (only) from Corona without a mask is 0.026% – but this is increased by a factor of 11 (!) Due to the strict mask mandate in Kansas.

https://reitschuster.de/post/studie-erhoehen-die-masken-die-sterblichkeit/

If you scroll down the paper is in English

301869 ▶▶ Tenchy, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 1, #1417 of 1822 🔗

Interesting study. Anyone know how long, typically, it takes for something like this – a preprint – to be peer reviewed? Regardless, it will be ignored by the MSM and governments.

302051 ▶▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to Tenchy, #1418 of 1822 🔗

It took the Danmask study about 4 months after completion and a few rejects. But they lacked significance.

301851 A. Contrarian, replying to A. Contrarian, 34, #1419 of 1822 🔗

Low point of today, crying in the bushes in the rain in my local park with my puppy licking away my tears, because some w*nker had a go at me for getting too close.

Thanks, mate, a horrible day – a horrible year – made a hundred times worse. I hope he’s proud.

301861 ▶▶ Paul, replying to A. Contrarian, 21, #1420 of 1822 🔗

I hope that bastard gets what’s coming to him very soon,god bless your puppy for comforting you.

301874 ▶▶▶ JHuntz, replying to Paul, 14, #1421 of 1822 🔗

God bless dogs!

301898 ▶▶▶▶ A. Contrarian, replying to JHuntz, 16, #1422 of 1822 🔗

She could totally sense I was upset, she went really quiet and wanted to cuddle and lick. So glad she was with me! She’s been a total adolescent s*d over the last week or two, so I’m now feeling a renewed level of fondness!

301900 ▶▶▶▶ OKUK, replying to JHuntz, 16, #1423 of 1822 🔗

It’s been one of the few pleasures allowed during lockdown, seeing dogs zipping around full of joy and excitement when out walking.

301875 ▶▶ kh1485, replying to A. Contrarian, 16, #1424 of 1822 🔗

So sorry to read this AC. I think dogs could teach some so-called humans a thing or two right now.

301895 ▶▶ Banjones, replying to A. Contrarian, 22, #1425 of 1822 🔗

There are some seriously peculiar people out there. It’s difficult to counter them, evil buggers. This is probably the most exciting thing that’s ever happened to them in all their poor shrivelled little lives, and they’re making the most of it.

Cheer up – you’ve got your pup. And us!

301899 ▶▶ Sodastream, replying to A. Contrarian, 10, #1426 of 1822 🔗

How awful I hope you can try and make it take less head space up as the horrid individual doesn’t deserve your head space and emotions. I know it’s easy for me to say as I’d be the same if someone had a go at me but please dont let him get you down.
He’s pathetic.

301909 ▶▶ Laura Suckling, replying to A. Contrarian, 6, #1427 of 1822 🔗

Oh you poor thing. At least you have lovely puppy, keep the faith.

301946 ▶▶ Cranmer, replying to A. Contrarian, 4, #1428 of 1822 🔗

I try to see confrontations like that as a learning experience. Every time it happens I think well that’s just making me stronger and more resilient against their bullsh*t.

301968 ▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to A. Contrarian, 3, #1429 of 1822 🔗

That w*nker will get his comeuppance at some point.

Great that you have a puppy to help make things better.

302053 ▶▶ Angryphon of Tunbridge Wells, replying to A. Contrarian, 2, #1430 of 1822 🔗

Sorry about your experience I’ve had two altercations this year maybe a force multiplier is called for?next prick that pulls any further shit on me will be dealt with extreme prejudice.Some cunt got froggy when I was out with boy in a service station.Never again!

301859 ▶▶ Julian, replying to Richym99, 2, #1432 of 1822 🔗

Just more mad theatre

301911 ▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Richym99, #1433 of 1822 🔗

Tests not exactly untertaken in lab conditions. Suspect the processing lab isn’t exactly sterile either.

PCR tests? Lots of common colds about ……

Strange that the journo doesn’t actively consider the possibility of false positives.

Start testing, start a casedemic.

301959 ▶▶ Pancho the Grey, replying to Richym99, 1, #1434 of 1822 🔗

The article says the mass testing started 3 weeks ago. The “infections” curve had turned down and was dropping dramatically until the mass testing regime kicked in and the positives skyrocketed. Now I am not a scientist but that looks mighty suspicious to me.

301855 stefarm, replying to stefarm, 18, #1435 of 1822 🔗

Well the Germans had a go and now it’s taken numnuts khan to fuck London.

As a native Londoner, I can’t see how it will recover in fact I can’t see how the whole UK will recover.

Still as long as we keep the windows open and save at least 1 life……..

301878 ▶▶ Ben, replying to stefarm, 6, #1436 of 1822 🔗

They won’t be happy until we’re all dead

301884 ▶▶▶ John P, replying to Ben, 1, #1437 of 1822 🔗

Don’t worry, you will be one day.

302027 ▶▶▶▶ Chicot, replying to John P, #1438 of 1822 🔗

Unlikely to be from Covid though.

301903 ▶▶▶ Pancho the Grey, replying to Ben, 4, #1439 of 1822 🔗

That may be a preferred outcome for many, and the figures seem to support that.

301882 ▶▶ John P, replying to stefarm, 2, #1440 of 1822 🔗

Life is 100% fatal stefarm.

Saving lives is for God, but even he doesn’t pretend we are physically immortal.

301858 Ben, 23, #1441 of 1822 🔗

I predict a series of future mutating viruses that are impossible to test for, but are nonetheless terrifying for their asymptomatic symptoms

They will fit in with Government diktats, bank holidays and major sporting events and elections. People will lose track of which version of Long-Covid they have – Covid-20, Covid-21, 22, 23 etc.. Confusion will reign but virtue-signallers will have their heaven on earth

301860 Telpin, replying to Telpin, 25, #1442 of 1822 🔗

A new strain that is serious enough to scare us all into being compliant yet which Wancock assured us doesn’t affect the effectiveness of the Pfizer vaccine. How the f&ck does he know? It it indeed is a ‘new’ strain, necessarily the vaccine will not have been tested for it. Please can our MPs and the people WAKE UP – the dissembelers aren’t even disguising their con any more. I’m beyond words.

301880 ▶▶ John P, replying to Telpin, 6, #1443 of 1822 🔗

It’s probably a lie to keep the sheep scared.

301886 ▶▶ Barney McGrew, replying to Telpin, 12, #1444 of 1822 🔗

It’s only a few weeks ago that all the mink in Denmark had to be killed because they were supposedly carrying a new strain that would evade the vaccine. With this new super-strain in London, the whole vaccine narrative that the public are, in their ignorance, clinging to seems to be barely holding together.

For a few days I was convinced that the government wanted things to get back to normal and that the vaccine was their ultimate arse-covering tool (or maybe that’s Matt Hancock) but it’s seriously looking as though in their desperation to appease Sage and the Guardian, they’re prepared to jeopardise all public faith in the vaccine by inventing new “strains”.

Or it’s a big Schwabbian conspiracy. And I can’t rule that out.

301941 ▶▶▶ Cranmer, replying to Barney McGrew, 5, #1445 of 1822 🔗

Every so often HMG comes out with something that looks like it’s an attempt to play a ‘get out of jail free card’ to graciously begin the winding down of the pandemic with no blame attached. But it’s all part of the disguise. They even manage to make more draconian rules (eg, compulsory facemasks) seem like an attempt to return to normality (ie, a temporary measure to encourage reluctant people back outside). I am now beginning to think this is an attempt to camouflage their relentless drive towards authoritarianism.

302124 ▶▶▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to Cranmer, #1446 of 1822 🔗

Still need to know why though. Anybody who has ever studied politics (perhaps unsurprisingly, this includes most politicians) is fully aware that authoritarianism without benefit is short-lived.

301892 ▶▶ Liz F, replying to Telpin, 24, #1447 of 1822 🔗

Yes, seems that the photo of Regent Street heaving with Christmas shoppers at the weekend has rattled Westminster’s cage. Can’t have the great unwashed outside enjoying themselves. They’re making it up as they go along.

302117 ▶▶ Leemc23, replying to Telpin, #1448 of 1822 🔗

New strains can be very good news. Weaker but more dominate. Good news. Cue Wankcock saying it’s “bad news”. The man is a 3 day old bucket of cat Piss

301877 Just about sane, replying to Just about sane, 6, #1449 of 1822 🔗

My first thought on reading this, the poor love sick soul, the second thought I had was, what a bloomin idiot, he could have been killed.
He’s been jailed for 4 weeks for breaking a covid law and having the audacity to buy a water scooter as the BBC calls it and use it to cross to the isle of man to see his girlfriend because he was being refused entry the normal way.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-isle-of-man-55280466

301885 ▶▶ Ben, replying to Just about sane, 8, #1450 of 1822 🔗

The Isle of Man’s a fascist sh*t hole from what I’ve read. If he was a politician he’d be free to live as he pleased. Neil Ferguson wasn’t sent to prison when he broke lockdown rules to see his married lover

301894 ▶▶▶ OKUK, replying to Ben, 7, #1451 of 1822 🔗

No, he’s been feted by the BBC who never ask about that little -er-indiscretion.

301963 ▶▶▶ CapLlam, replying to Ben, 2, #1452 of 1822 🔗

They are not letting anyone on the island apart from people who live there. I was talking to a guy on my train who was on his way back there. He said it’s like living in a prison.

302008 ▶▶▶▶ Disbelief, replying to CapLlam, 1, #1453 of 1822 🔗

They have cancelled next years TT as well which makes thing even worse for the local economy.
Cant be road racing at 200mph anyways… Sure thats far too much like living life.

301896 ▶▶ Bigland, replying to Just about sane, 1, #1454 of 1822 🔗

He should have crossed in a small rubber dinghy with 40 other people.

301897 ▶▶ JohnB, replying to Just about sane, 1, #1455 of 1822 🔗

‘could have been killed’ ? How very dare he !

First thoughts are often better ones.

302048 ▶▶ Al T, replying to Just about sane, #1456 of 1822 🔗

I was due to go walking in the Isle of Man in June this year. Now I’m thinking that the late AA Gill may have been right!

301887 Cheezilla, replying to Cheezilla, 1, #1457 of 1822 🔗

New enterprise – sounds lucrative!

Covid Fly Tests We are open over Xmas and the new year. We can even arrange the home service on Xmas day. Results will be provided the next day. So if you are struggling to get a test and a next day certificate then please get in touch on 07958487816.

We provide the Covid RT PCR test and fit to fly certificates to individuals and other Covid testing services for employers and organisations. Certificates available same day or within 24 hours. Same day home service or drop into our locations.

302311 ▶▶ Nigel Sherratt, replying to Cheezilla, #1458 of 1822 🔗

Trotters Independent Testing

301890 OKUK, 11, #1459 of 1822 🔗

What a fibster that Whitty is, telling the select committee it’s not his job to balance health effects against economic (and other) effects, and now trying to give the impression that’s exactly what he and SAGE are trying to do.

What was his slide show like? Full of lies? Vallance has set the bar high with his interventions (why was Vallance not there? so he didn’t have to answer questions about his conflict of interest?) but has Whitty shown he’s still in contention for the Liars’ Trophy?

301901 calchas, replying to calchas, 6, #1460 of 1822 🔗

Belgium:

“In the province of Limburg, the police have planned to use drones equipped with thermal cameras to monitor the population and check that they respect the rules during the Christmas and New Year’s celebrations.

These cameras are capable of detecting a human presence at night, including inside buildings . “The images we receive, whether thermal or normal, help the teams to check whether corona measures are respected, especially for prohibited fireworks. Our goal is certainly not to go into private gardens. We don’t use drones for that,” says Yves Bosmans, a police officer in Genk.

The police assure that they won’t film inside homes . However, by using a drone, this is bound to happen. “In practice, of course, when we fly over a neighborhood, we will fly over houses, streets and parks. We will fly over streets, parks, a mix of public and private places,” says Frank Schuermans, advisor to the Police Information Control Board.

Source in French.

https://www.medias-presse.info/dans-le-limbourg-belge-la-police-utilisera-des-drones-a-camera-thermique-pour-surveiller-la-population-durant-noel-et-nouvel-an/137547/

301913 ▶▶ JHuntz, replying to calchas, 16, #1461 of 1822 🔗

This is utterly insane. We are genuinely moving into Skynet territory. Fuck technology can we go back to books please.

301922 ▶▶ Darryl, replying to calchas, 14, #1462 of 1822 🔗

We are fast approaching the point of no return. The police love this sort of technology and are more than happy to enforce any petty rules. All we can do is try to persuade the zombies we don’t need this for a disease with a close to 100% survival rate for most age groups – unfortunately this is surprisingly hard!

301992 ▶▶ Ben, replying to calchas, 4, #1463 of 1822 🔗

Why has Belgium turned into such a fascist sh*t hole?

302046 ▶▶▶ Darryl, replying to Ben, 1, #1464 of 1822 🔗

Every country seems to have a certain percentage of the population who are wannabe fascist and like to bully and intimidate others. Unfortunately most seem to find a job in the police or civil service these days – does the Met actively seek out people with violent personalities?

302257 ▶▶ JohnB, replying to calchas, #1465 of 1822 🔗

I’d happily chip in £10/£20 for each drone shot down. We could encourage groups of yoof to hone their skills …

302268 ▶▶▶ thinkaboutit, replying to JohnB, #1466 of 1822 🔗

The Belgians should arrange tea lights to spell rude words in Belgian.

302267 ▶▶ thinkaboutit, replying to calchas, #1467 of 1822 🔗

Always a good way to find a cannabis farm.

301912 P1512, 1, #1468 of 1822 🔗

Good evening,
Reading the comments about how businesses of some of the commenters have been affected/destroyed by restrictions, and also about a lady with a disabled child who posts here from time to time, made me think – have any of you thought of writing your stories and sending them over to MPs (as far as I know, there are several MPs for each constituency) and the national or even local newspapers? It is very unlikely that any of the MPs watch youtube videos of protests – perhaps stories of individual tragedies, preferably sent in a co-ordinated manner, would start making them listen?

301915 Alexei, replying to Alexei, 31, #1469 of 1822 🔗

I was walking my dog and 11-month-old boy in the park this morning, when a toddler bounded up. My son made a generally enthusiastic baby noise at the prospect of a meeting. Happily the toddler reciprocated and had the temerity to – shock horror – touch our buggy!

Cue a breathless mum, swooping in from behind us. She chastised her toddler in a tone so strident it made me wince. This only escalated when I told her I didn’t mind at all. She led her son away firmly by the hand, continuing to hector him about this heinous act.

I praised my son for doing a good job and the three of us walked on in bemusement. What a world he’s joined.

301927 ▶▶ Sodastream, replying to Alexei, 16, #1470 of 1822 🔗

How sad and damaging to children. We’ve had to put our children’s name on a list if we are accepting of them receiving Xmas cards in primary school.
Not all children are on the list meaning some parents actually think there are germs and bat flu in the card! I really despair. Also the cards all had to be given in on a certain day to be “quarantined “ for 3 days before being given out… 😩

301932 ▶▶▶ Alexei, replying to Sodastream, 8, #1471 of 1822 🔗

That is just… bonkers. I thank my lucky stars we don’t have a school-age child!

301947 ▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to Sodastream, 7, #1472 of 1822 🔗

Jesus wept.

Thank God Mr Bart and I lacked the temperament & financial means to have a child. It would be criminal to have one now.

301964 ▶▶ Just about sane, replying to Alexei, 6, #1473 of 1822 🔗

I wish it had been my daughter you had met with my 14 month old grandson, she’s desperate to find other mums with toddlers to talk to. She does visit illegally his father’s nephew as he’s the same age but that’s over the border. Oops.
No playgroups, no mother and toddler and no meeting up in the house unless you can find another skeptic. It’s all far too cruel.

302038 ▶▶▶ Alexei, replying to Just about sane, 3, #1474 of 1822 🔗

Tell her to keep trying! My wife went mask-free a couple of months ago, and it’s finally started to pay dividends when it comes to meeting other sceptic mums.

Several illicit playdates later, we all visited a family of fellow sceptics yesterday and had a wonderful time.

301940 ▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to AN other lockdown sceptic, 3, #1476 of 1822 🔗

Green passport = green light for the world to follow.
Coming to a dictatorship (very) near you …

301965 ▶▶▶ AN other lockdown sceptic, replying to Cheezilla, 6, #1477 of 1822 🔗

But, its only for events, restaurants, blah, blah.

This shitshow just keeps on giving, doesn’t it!?

302067 ▶▶ Ben, replying to AN other lockdown sceptic, 1, #1478 of 1822 🔗

They made sure it wasn’t yellow

301920 crimsonpirate, replying to crimsonpirate, 5, #1479 of 1822 🔗

convenient for Hancock to use this new strain to justify the new lockdown but I’m sure this is a rehash of the strain from Spain
https://www.ft.com/content/2782655a-0441-4d38-bb03-5c4e67ead110
as it’s to do with coronavirus, there’s no pay wall

301931 ▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to crimsonpirate, #1480 of 1822 🔗

No paywall but an eye-watering number of cookies to disable.

301924 Ozzie, replying to Ozzie, 14, #1481 of 1822 🔗

Has this been discussed? Hancock apparently told Commons today:

‘Over the last few days… we have identified a new variant of coronavirus which may be associated with the faster spread in the South of England.’

Sounds like convenient lie as he places London into tier 3?

301926 ▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Ozzie, 1, #1482 of 1822 🔗

Intermittent comments below.

301934 ▶▶ Darryl, replying to Ozzie, 3, #1483 of 1822 🔗

I remember something like this happening in the ‘conspiracy’ document talked about in the Canadian parliament a few months ago. Of course the government and elite controlled fact checkers put my mind at rest over that.

301960 ▶▶ crimsonpirate, replying to Ozzie, 1, #1484 of 1822 🔗

he seems to know a lot about it-especially the bit about whether it will be an issue for the vaccine

301974 ▶▶▶ Banjones, replying to crimsonpirate, 4, #1485 of 1822 🔗

”He seems to know a lot about it….” Strange that, for someone who’s singularly ill-qualified for the position he holds. No science background, no experience at all in the real world. What a graceless, deeply unattractive, posing little oik.

Oh – wait a minute! He’s got a PPE – Johnson probably thinks that stands for Personal Protective Equipment, and is really impressed.

302115 ▶▶▶▶ Leemc23, replying to Banjones, #1486 of 1822 🔗

When Hancock speaks it’s his Special Advisers words he reads. He is a politician. Not one of them who appears with a “statement” ever appears without a pre prepared statement cleared through various civil servants and special advisers. This administration has more influence from its SpAds than others I would suggest.

302310 ▶▶ Nigel Sherratt, replying to Ozzie, #1487 of 1822 🔗

The new carbon dioxide, nothing it can’t do.

301928 ▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to AN other lockdown sceptic, 4, #1489 of 1822 🔗

a 2020 US Pentagon study that found that the flu shot INCREASES the risks from coronavirus by 36%. “Receiving influenza vaccination may increase the risk of other respiratory viruses, a phenomenon known as virus interference…. Vaccine derived virus interference was significantly associated with coronavirus.

!!!

301961 ▶▶▶ AN other lockdown sceptic, replying to Cheezilla, #1490 of 1822 🔗

Taking it is a no brainer, isn’t it! 😉

301962 ▶▶▶ CGL, replying to Cheezilla, 2, #1491 of 1822 🔗

My boss had his usual flu vaccine on Thursday – never had a reaction – until this year. Fever over the weekend.

302044 ▶▶▶▶ AN other lockdown sceptic, replying to CGL, 2, #1492 of 1822 🔗

We know someone who took two separate doses of flu vaccine this year as they believed it would make them doubly protected. I kid you not, that’s the level of stupidity that we’re up against.

302055 ▶▶▶ SweetBabyCheeses, replying to Cheezilla, -1, #1493 of 1822 🔗

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/31607599/
It says nothing of the sort. Read the article rather than “Children’s Health Defense”.

301930 Cranmer, replying to Cranmer, 19, #1494 of 1822 🔗

Handjob locking down London was just the same old tactic, but this ‘new strain’ is a new one and I think it’s the more important news.

As some have suggested, I think the long game is to introduce a culture of constant new strains requiring new lockdowns and new vaccines.

The big question is, though, how long can they keep repeating this trick? Can a permanently cowed, fearful culture be created where everyone believes there is death in the very air we breath, whilst nobody actually seems to die? They’ve managed it so far, but can they manage it much longer?

301936 ▶▶ Ozzie, replying to Cranmer, 12, #1495 of 1822 🔗

Given that Hancock is the first to mention the new strain it is surely a lie.

301938 ▶▶▶ Ozzie, replying to Ozzie, 1, #1496 of 1822 🔗

Perhaps he hopes that it will persuade some of the Tory rebels to change their stance

301944 ▶▶▶ alw, replying to Ozzie, 2, #1497 of 1822 🔗

It is a lie. Viruses mutate fact and this so called new strain is very weak.

301948 ▶▶▶ Will, replying to Ozzie, 8, #1498 of 1822 🔗

Hancock is incapable of telling the truth, as is Whitty.

301975 ▶▶▶▶ Banjones, replying to Will, 3, #1499 of 1822 🔗

Whitty had a little sortie, telling the truth, back in May.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=adj8MCsZKlg&feature=youtu.be

No doubt he had his botty well and truly smacked for that effort.

302000 ▶▶▶▶▶ NappyFace, replying to Banjones, 1, #1500 of 1822 🔗

That is astounding. Surely that is the clip of the year, isn’t it?? How do they explain what they are doing ?

302110 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Leemc23, replying to NappyFace, #1501 of 1822 🔗

People only hear what they want to hear.

301981 ▶▶ Banjones, replying to Cranmer, 2, #1502 of 1822 🔗

Have you see the public disservice ‘ad’ on TV, with the green ectoplasm issuing forth from every orifice? Doubtless the Terminally Terrified actually fall for this guff.

There are probably enough dimwitted sheep out in the real world who are excited and stimulated by this situation – it’s probably the most thrilling thing that’s ever happened to them. They’ll keep it going because they may well be enjoying it.

302041 ▶▶▶ Alan P, replying to Banjones, #1503 of 1822 🔗

So many lies in one public health announcement. Asymptomatic spreaders, mask stopping viruses, etc.
I lost count!

302103 ▶▶▶▶ bluemoon, replying to Alan P, #1504 of 1822 🔗

Exactly – complain to the Advertising Standards Authority. There’s a simple 3 box form to fill out so be specific about which untruth you’re complaining about.

302119 ▶▶▶ Cranmer, replying to Banjones, #1505 of 1822 🔗

Yes, I’ve seen it. I believe that to be genuinely evil, as bad as the anti-semitic propaganda that Germany issued in the 30s or the anti-kulak propaganda of the Soviets.

302062 ▶▶ Waldorf, replying to Cranmer, 2, #1506 of 1822 🔗

I think the penny is going to drop sooner or later.

302108 ▶▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to Waldorf, 1, #1507 of 1822 🔗

If it has not already.

302070 ▶▶ Mabel Cow, replying to Cranmer, #1508 of 1822 🔗

Well, they have 3,456 viral genomes to pick from, so quite a while, I guess.

302107 ▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to Cranmer, 3, #1509 of 1822 🔗

No. The last lockdown was greeted with a lot of derision. That can only grow next time. People have had enough.

301933 John P, 16, #1510 of 1822 🔗

Despite the major lockdowns all over the world, despite the vile attempts to massacre the Christmas spirit, despite depression, fear and isolation: WE ARE NOT ALONE. This is OUR Christmas. Happy 3rd Sunday of Advent. – Naomi Seibt

301935 The Mask Exempt Covid Marshall, replying to The Mask Exempt Covid Marshall, 7, #1511 of 1822 🔗

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/newsbeat-55173161

If you want to see your Granny this year, you’re an irresponsible, selfish, evil, murderous idiot. More great fear porn from the BBC. Does Marianna Spring still work there? I need to find out what’s disinformation and what isn’t!

Even if granny wants to see you?

301956 ▶▶ Darryl, replying to The Mask Exempt Covid Marshall, 4, #1513 of 1822 🔗

Marianna Spring does still work there and I also expect she receives a side salary from HMG for her fine work of spreading disinformation and fear. Can’t have people having any hope for the future.

301958 ▶▶ annie, replying to The Mask Exempt Covid Marshall, 4, #1514 of 1822 🔗

What horrible, inhuman insults to creation these miserable bitches are.
No comments allowed on this disgusting bit of fear porn, I notice,

302086 ▶▶▶ HelenaHancart, replying to annie, #1515 of 1822 🔗

Don’t ever go onto the comments section on the BBC news page – you’ll be in a bad mood for the rest of the day!

302307 ▶▶ Nigel Sherratt, replying to The Mask Exempt Covid Marshall, #1516 of 1822 🔗

Locking down is of course killing Granny by increasing her relative mobility and reducing herd immunity in the young and largely unaffected.

301937 Steeve, replying to Steeve, 2, #1517 of 1822 🔗

2020 Newcastle boss Steve Bruce reveals that Isaac Hayden was bedridden for 10 days with Covid as virus ‘ripped through’ squad before Premier League win over West Brom

2018 Six West Brom players struck down by flu bug ahead of Liverpool clash
By Matt Wilson West Bromwich Albion Published: Jan 26, 2018

301966 ▶▶ Darryl, replying to Steeve, 4, #1518 of 1822 🔗

There have been numerous examples of teams going down with viruses and suspected food poisoning in the past. People have short memories – often teams were still forced to play fixtures with depleted squads.

301976 ▶▶▶ Steeve, replying to Darryl, 2, #1519 of 1822 🔗

How about this one from the states
Super Bowl flu? Entire team battling virus, says playerBy Mo Barnes | February 2, 2018 | 0

302072 ▶▶▶ mattghg, replying to Darryl, 1, #1520 of 1822 🔗

One year it happened to the Spurs squad on the last day of the season and cost then a place in the Champions League.

301984 ▶▶ Banjones, replying to Steeve, 4, #1521 of 1822 🔗

They’ll have to stop kissing one another and spitting on the pitch.

302116 ▶▶▶ Cranmer, replying to Banjones, #1522 of 1822 🔗

And stop their sheepskin-coat wearing, gum chewing managers from shouting at them on the sidelines and in the changing rooms at half time.

302063 ▶▶ Ben, replying to Steeve, 1, #1523 of 1822 🔗

Strange how Cristiano Ronaldo said PCR tests are bull sh*t. He’s tested positive thrice

301942 Cheezilla, 3, #1524 of 1822 🔗

Editor’s note : You don’t want to miss the rest of this brand-new report. In it, Mike and his colleague Bill McGilton dive deeper into why the next crisis will be worse than anything we’ve ever experienced… and why it will also lead to some of the best opportunities ever.

Bastards!

https://stansberryinvestor.com/media-article/331999

301943 Will, replying to Will, 6, #1525 of 1822 🔗

Still no scores on the doors. I imagine today’s figures have been lost but will reappear in time for a super surge tomorrow just in time for the whole country to be shoved into tier three.

301969 ▶▶ Dave Tee, replying to Will, 3, #1526 of 1822 🔗

Worldometer showing 232 for UK today.

301950 Fingerache Philip., replying to Fingerache Philip., 15, #1527 of 1822 🔗

My younger son has just informed me that his MP ( Conservative Suzanne Webb/Stourbridge) who is an out and out collaborator sent him a Christmas card which he ripped up and threw in the bin.
Adam was a strong tory voter for years, he now says that he will never vote again.

301990 ▶▶ Ben, replying to Fingerache Philip., 7, #1528 of 1822 🔗

Shame he didn’t send it back to her ripped up

301997 ▶▶▶ Fingerache Philip., replying to Ben, 4, #1529 of 1822 🔗

Good idea, I’ll suggest it to him.

302104 ▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to Fingerache Philip., 1, #1530 of 1822 🔗

Please encourage him to spoil his vote instead…

301951 Les Tricoteuses, replying to Les Tricoteuses, 26, #1531 of 1822 🔗

I just watched Robbie Williams anti lockdown Christmas song
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=X4BTaYbsX-s
Be very interesting to see if the BBC play it.

Right said Fred also have an anti lockdown song out called ‘we’re all criminals’ which is not bad and the video is very direct. It’s in defence of free speech and I’m sure the BBC won’t play it this one.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=EMORdmG-jgA
Good to see some entertainers making a stand. It deserves more views.

301973 ▶▶ AN other lockdown sceptic, replying to Les Tricoteuses, 4, #1532 of 1822 🔗

Cracking!

301987 ▶▶ Ben, replying to Les Tricoteuses, 4, #1533 of 1822 🔗

The Right Said Fred song is not bad actually

301991 ▶▶ EssieSW, replying to Les Tricoteuses, 1, #1534 of 1822 🔗

Radio 2 have been playing Robbie’s song for a week or two now at least once a day

302036 ▶▶▶ Les Tricoteuses, replying to EssieSW, #1535 of 1822 🔗

I’m surprised tbh, absolutely can’t stand radio 2 anymore so missed that.

302026 ▶▶ Kath Andrews, replying to Les Tricoteuses, 3, #1536 of 1822 🔗

Just watched the Robbie Williams vid – good for him…just going to watch the Fred…

301953 annie, replying to annie, 9, #1537 of 1822 🔗

A reminder from the Asdafascists that Supermarket Hell is about to add another circle:

In addition to the comprehensive safety measures that are already in place in all stores you can expect the following when you shop:

comment image Extra security

We are placing extra security colleagues on the door of all our larger superstores from December 19th to 24th to help ensure you can access our stores easily and safely. This is in addition to the Asda Safety Marshals who are currently on duty at the front of every store.

comment image Safer queuing

Simply scan the QR codes on the posters at the front of stores to join the virtual queue, whilst you wait in the car, or pop to the shop next door. This is available in over 400 of our biggest stores.

Powered by Qudini, you can watch your live queue position from a countdown, and when it’s nearly your turn, we’ll send you a text message to let you know you can enter the store.

comment image Automatic counting

Automatic counting technology has been installed in our busiest stores, while we have our safety marshals in every store

comment image Social distancing measures

New point of sale signage to remind everyone to respect social distancing in store and to shop solo if they can to ease congestion in stores.

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They forgot to say that a row of vomit buckets will be provided for the few sane people who might inadvertently stray into the vicinity of their hell-hoises.

I will not be one of them. Not now, not ever, ever again, as long as I live, will I go near an Asda store.

302078 ▶▶ HelenaHancart, replying to annie, 4, #1538 of 1822 🔗

Christ, it’s almost as if they don’t want people shopping in their store! Well, sod them, they don’t deserve any thinking person’s business. Let the quaking