Last updated2020-12-16T09:25:45



303992 Hugh, replying to Hugh, 58, #1 of 1806 🔗

The first shall be last!

Merry Christmas – I wish.

Gonna be an awful lot more Tiny Tims this Christmas – and for what exactly? I really hope we have that Nuremberg Mark II and find out how many of them knew exackerterly what they were doing.

303994 ▶▶ Londo Mollari, replying to Hugh, #2 of 1806 🔗


303996 ▶▶▶ Hugh, replying to Londo Mollari, 29, #3 of 1806 🔗

I’ve no idea where the second shall end up (maybe in a minute, eventually?)

I never saw Granny (in the carehome) after March, too late now. Please please please see your Granny this Christmas if you can!!!

304028 ▶▶▶▶ Sir Patrick Vaccine, replying to Hugh, 3, #4 of 1806 🔗

Hello – Ontario counts suicide victims as COVID-19 fatalities

304136 ▶▶▶▶▶ Ferd III, replying to Sir Patrick Vaccine, 8, #5 of 1806 🔗

Now that is Science!

Hot mic moment. Ontario Canada ‘Chief Medical Doctor and expert’ on CV 19 says ‘I just say whatever they write down for me’. Before this, she is telling the sheep that if you are not sick you are still spreading CV 19 so you need many many Jabs. No science to that claim.


304552 ▶▶▶▶▶ Ben, replying to Sir Patrick Vaccine, 4, #6 of 1806 🔗

Criminals cover their crimes.. This is disgusting

It’s happening in Ireland. Definitely crimes against humanity.

304233 ▶▶▶▶ CapLlam, replying to Hugh, 8, #7 of 1806 🔗

It’s sadly too late for me too, mine died in August in a care home.
She was a huge part of our Christmas Day and I’m going to miss seeing her this year.

304507 ▶▶▶▶ Sir Patrick Vaccine, replying to Hugh, 4, #8 of 1806 🔗

Dear T <b>Stop this pro lockdown nonsense. Actions speak louder that words. Beth Rigby and Kay Burley have demonstrated clearly that the entire media and political class know the The Corona hysteria is a load of nonsense.</b>

<i><b>Dr JOHN LEE saw through the nonsense early on. He was once allowed to write in the Spectator.</b></i>

<i>The clampdown that is just bureaucratic insanity: Dr JOHN LEE argues that putting London into Tier 3 lockdown could cripple the capital</i>


304543 ▶▶ Ben, replying to Hugh, 14, #9 of 1806 🔗

The Corona Scandal/Crimes Against Humanity trials will be the biggest in human history. Most likely taking years to complete. Politicians, Pharma, the banks, the media etc. will need to be tried in their own categories by specialised lawyers. I hope to see those responsible face life sentences for the poverty, deaths from cancelled medical treatments and the suicides they’ve caused. There is also the issue of future health problems yet to surface from face masks, especially worn by children

A usually busy, centuries old pub in my home town has closed. Boarded up for sale. Shocking to see. The virus didn’t shut it down – politicians did

If current events are indeed part of the World Economic Forum’s ‘Great Reset’ then maybe justice will be impossible

304625 ▶▶▶ OpenYourEyes, replying to Ben, 10, #10 of 1806 🔗

If the situation were hopeless, the propaganda would be unnecessary.

305260 ▶▶▶ Binra, replying to Ben, #11 of 1806 🔗

There is no intention of going back and bridges are burning with every passing day.
Stalin used people to get power and later got rid of them. Likewise to set up an industrialised Soviet – and then got rid of them.
So you may see in due course a new source of mind leverage for guilt and shame in many who are currently selling out or complying in ignorance.
Doctors will be replaced with AI or screen systems linked to smart devices and medication directives.
The political system has to be set as so dysfunctional and incompetent as to drive the morally disgusted into the arms of the technocrats.
Free thinking is being reframed as dangerous and unregulated.

So yes the ‘system’ may morph to evade disclosure.
The Reset is similar to the depiction of the Tower of Barad-dor in Tolkien’s Mordor. Babel was another famous tower.
I don’t seek vengeance but the restoration of the conditions for support of life in truth, rather than life in captivity.
I give (the wish for) vengeance to the trust that all is truly resolved under a Higher Court. You have to answer to your self – regardless how you may engage in masking manouvres.

At the same time the Law is the true basis for determining and checking crime.
But is only as good as the calibre of those who safeguard, and represent its definitions and enforcement. Nothing at a higher level is allowed to be brought to law now that might reveal the utter corruption of a house of Cards – and so by hook or by crook it isn’t – or is fudged over.

Complicity in crime -even if under duress – can put people in a captive or compromise situation where if they come clean they are damned by the public and by the criminal network or agenda that they have in one way of another.
people only have to believe they might be infected to be mind-captured. This applies far wider than a bad cold.

305820 ▶▶▶▶ Hugh, replying to Binra, #12 of 1806 🔗

Barad Dur surely?

These up and down ticks – no way of knowing if someone has got 20 upticks cancelled out by 20 down ticks, or if they have simply had no ticks either way as no one feels strongly about their post, is there.

No matter, likely no one will read this now anyway…

305390 ▶▶▶ annie, replying to Ben, 4, #13 of 1806 🔗

I just want to live long enough to see condign punishment visited on all the Covid criminals.Even if I have to live past my century and will be too old to dance on their graves.

305560 ▶▶▶▶ optocarol, replying to annie, 1, #14 of 1806 🔗

Me too!!

305734 ▶▶▶▶ richard riewer, replying to annie, #15 of 1806 🔗

Do a jig.

305821 ▶▶▶▶ Hugh, replying to annie, #16 of 1806 🔗

We’ll dance for you!

303995 Lisa (formerly) from Toronto, replying to Lisa (formerly) from Toronto, 115, #17 of 1806 🔗

So wasn’t Easter supposed to be sacrificed and put off until Christmas? Now they’re trying to push Christmas off until Easter. I’m sensing a pattern here. I don’t have a horse in this race as I don’t celebrate either, but I’m pissed off on behalf of everyone who wants and needs to see their families over the holidays. I’m fortunate that my family isn’t fussed and we’ve continued to see each other throughout. Don’t comply!

303997 ▶▶ Hugh, replying to Lisa (formerly) from Toronto, 39, #18 of 1806 🔗

We do not consent!

304001 ▶▶ Judy Watson, replying to Lisa (formerly) from Toronto, 53, #19 of 1806 🔗

Well done for meeting up with your family. Wish everyone ould say bollocks to this load of crap and go back to as near normal aspossible.

304004 ▶▶▶ Lisa (formerly) from Toronto, replying to Judy Watson, 25, #20 of 1806 🔗

It’s tougher now that we moved out of Toronto permanently and are 2 hours away from family, but that’s the only thing holding us back. My daughter and her boyfriend will be with us after spending Christmas with his family and my brother, niece and nephew will be up visiting us as well. Technically, where we live now is not under lockdown and we’re “allowed” to mix with people outside our household, but if I were still in Toronto I wouldn’t do anything differently despite the lockdown.

304056 ▶▶▶▶ Eliza P., replying to Lisa (formerly) from Toronto, 42, #21 of 1806 🔗

Very much wish that everyone would get back to normal and forget about all Christmas restrictions now. It’s not just the “spending time with family” thing – but I’ve personally come across family people that are obviously minimising/foregoing contact with friends before Christmas (for “the sake of their family”) and bang goes social contact single people were expecting/need to have. So their own families may not be suffering – but us single people are – because of our “friends” doing this.

304082 ▶▶▶▶▶ Fiona Walker, replying to Eliza P., 57, #22 of 1806 🔗

Single people have been thrown under the bus by this virus response, it is appalling, if you don’t have a “family” or a “granny” you don’t count. When I was single my friends were my family. I wish I could arrange a big party for all the single sceptics.

304105 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Charlie Blue, replying to Fiona Walker, 32, #23 of 1806 🔗

No doubt. But as one of those single people I am also conscious of all the people who live in households where there is abuse, neglect and fear who no longer have access to wider support networks and extended family. However isolated I feel I remain thankful that I have not had to endure all this while trapped in such a situation.

304351 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Caroline Watson, replying to Charlie Blue, 14, #24 of 1806 🔗

Absolutely. When this all started, my main thought was, ‘Thank God I don’t live with anyone else’. If I had been living with my mother she would be dead by now, but not of the virus.

304251 ▶▶▶▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Eliza P., 14, #25 of 1806 🔗

As a mixed group of London singles and coupled-up twentysomethings in the 90’s we would gather at whoever had the biggest flat and spend the evening of Xmas Day relaxing together, just the core 15 or so, no strangers.

We would not not have paid the slightest attention to hancock’s silly rules.

304265 ▶▶▶▶ James Leary #KBF, replying to Lisa (formerly) from Toronto, 2, #26 of 1806 🔗

‘Tronno’ used to be famous for the ‘lookdown’ glass floor in the CN Tower. Now …..? An Ontario winter and high BAME population minus vitamin D? Not good. Got friends in Windsor – not happy.

305353 ▶▶▶▶ Adam, replying to Lisa (formerly) from Toronto, 2, #27 of 1806 🔗

both Our Countries are run by pricks Johnson & Trudeau enough said

304003 ▶▶ Richard O, replying to Lisa (formerly) from Toronto, 28, #28 of 1806 🔗

Christmas is an important Pagan Sun worship festival that was appropriated by the early Christian church. The modern incarnation is nothing more than Consumermas, which personally I am glad to see the back of this year. But the way the UK government has abused the good will of the British people regarding these “five days” is nothing short of abominable.

304006 ▶▶▶ Hugh, replying to Richard O, 14, #29 of 1806 🔗

Fishy Sturgeon’s going to be popular if she ruins Christmas as well as hogmany (another pagan festival no doubt) isn’t she?

Incidentally, the Summer solstice was appropriated by us for the feast of that voice in the wilderness, Stt. John the Baptist. I dare say things will still not be back to normal by then. Good night!

304019 ▶▶▶ annie, replying to Richard O, 66, #30 of 1806 🔗

Even for the godless, it isn’t the consumerism that matters, it’s the socialising, the gaiety and the goodwill. As a Christian, I’ve always disliked the consumerism, but the goodwill is an emanation from the central Good and do destroy it is diabolical. And to consent fo its being destroyed is nearly as diabolical as to be one of the destroyers.

304023 ▶▶▶▶ Richard O, replying to annie, 17, #31 of 1806 🔗

I dare the UK government to go full-on Puritan and declare the total cancellation of Christmas.

304077 ▶▶▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to Richard O, 28, #32 of 1806 🔗

The last time they did that it didn’t go down well.

Sir Desmond Swayne has been consistently reminding the government that fact.

304095 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Biker, replying to Bart Simpson, 54, #33 of 1806 🔗

No one will do anything bro, the British people are spineless fucking cowards and will walk hand in hand into total lockdown tyranny forever and no cunt will do anything. I predict in whatever i end up doing i will be shot and killed by the state for doing it. The fucking people will just turn away. I wear my confederate t-shirt with pride because i’m a rebel at heart. Funny how it’s the Children of the Stones whom have the bottle while all the salt of the earth working classes sit on their fat stupid asses and lap up this whole fucking shitshow. As long as they can watch TV, surf the internet and eat fucking doughnuts these cunts will let the facist government rule over them any fucking way they like.
I was in England at the weekend and let me tell you there are way more people in Scotland upset about this than down in England. Holy shit it’s like everyone is already dead. I pulled into a Tesco’s and saw a hundred people lining up to wash their hands in sanitiser, not the queue to get in the shop, no just for the hand wash. I breezed in without a mask, was challenged by some immigrant, told this fucker i don’t speak babble and breezed on in. England is on it’s fucking knees and it’s pathetic to see. really fucking pathetic.

304133 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to Biker, 19, #34 of 1806 🔗

Unfortunately you’re right. I live in an area with a high-ish immigrant population and they’re the worst when it comes to compliance. It’s pretty much zombie central here.

304929 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Borisbullshit, replying to Bart Simpson, #35 of 1806 🔗

I agree the asians and blacks seem more paranoid than the whites…not that the latter are much better now. However early on it was noticeable that all asians wore masks.

305173 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Jo, replying to Borisbullshit, 8, #36 of 1806 🔗

Not where I live. I go to the Indian-owned shop and most people don’t wear masks and it’s about the only place I haven’t once been challenged. Also my friend lives in a road in Slough where hers is the only white family. She told me her neighbours and plenty of others had people round all the time including in first lockdown. Apparently they’ve nearly all had the virus, some were a bit ill and now just cracking on as usual.

305822 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Hugh, replying to Jo, #37 of 1806 🔗

A virus?

304953 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Edward, replying to Bart Simpson, 3, #38 of 1806 🔗

Actually that doesn’t match my observations – I see quite a lot of unmasked young black men.

304149 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Cecil B, replying to Biker, 7, #39 of 1806 🔗

Well said Sir

304256 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Thomas_E, replying to Biker, 46, #40 of 1806 🔗

100%..I keep saying this almost every day. The fight has gone out of the people, compliance is almost total. Sometimes I think my life would be so much easier if I just put on a mask, swallowed the bullshit, complied with everything and just followed the flock blindly. But I can’t , I’m a fighter at heart and so I plod one, day after day. Like I said yesterday, I do not know a single person who is sceptic, everybody has swallowed this wholesale. yes people complain how they can’t breath in masks, and then pull their right up, how they hate going to the supermarket and then take the sanitizer from their bags and pockets and manically clean their hands, how the government will not tell them what to do and then look at you like you are insane when you invite them to your house for a cup of tea and cake…Like Biker I will probably not live longer as I will violently resist this until I go down fighting.

304495 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ TJN, replying to Thomas_E, 9, #41 of 1806 🔗

The fight has gone out of the people, compliance is almost total.

Yep, that’s what I’m seeing down here. It’s like a load of vegetables wandering around.

That’s their problem not mine.

304936 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Borisbullshit, replying to TJN, 4, #42 of 1806 🔗

‘Maskoids are us’ it is in staffs and shropshire. I know a few local sceptics and they all seem to be 40s/50s….male…and self employed.

304766 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ sam, replying to Thomas_E, 5, #43 of 1806 🔗

maybe thats what we all have in common w e re all fighters at heart like thomas

304336 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ miahoneybee, replying to Biker, 14, #44 of 1806 🔗

I am as angry as you but I also live in hope. There are many many sceptics worldwide against this shitshow. Many more people ( I believe) have woken up. It’s up to us to keep fighting and show these people they are not helpless.they are just taking longer than us.
😉 😊

304390 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ HelenaHancart, replying to Biker, 14, #45 of 1806 🔗

Got it in one. I’m ashamed of so many people that were family and friends, that are lying on their backs waiting for the government to tickle their tummies or throw them a scraggy bone, or chain them to the doghouse outside, whilst all the time they cuss me for not being obedient enough. Mr Hancart and me feel like the only rebels in town, amidst the frankly vile looking maskies. But I’m proud and thankful of all my fellow sceptics who are standing up to this crap, and fighting against this tyranny.

304588 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ TyLean, replying to Biker, 8, #46 of 1806 🔗

I agree with you Biker. For an exquisitely low opinion of the human species, they have somehow still managed to utterly fail me. They deserve what’s coming.

304886 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ HoMojo, replying to Biker, 1, #47 of 1806 🔗

Not where I live it’s not, but then our lives don’t revolve round fucking Tesco

305355 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Adam, replying to HoMojo, #48 of 1806 🔗

if i see there annoying Tesco advert with it’s naughty step I am going to fire bomb My local tesco extra

304162 ▶▶▶▶▶ GiftWrappedKittyCat, replying to Richard O, 5, #49 of 1806 🔗

If they did then maybe a few more zombies would wake up. I think the harder they push, more people will start to resist.

304574 ▶▶▶▶ TyLean, replying to annie, 5, #50 of 1806 🔗

Here, here. I’m an Atheist and anti-consumer. Christmas is about the family, the good will, the traditions, and the marking of the passing of the seasons and years. It’s necessary ritual for the soul.

305179 ▶▶▶▶▶ Borisbullshit, replying to TyLean, #51 of 1806 🔗

Very much agree with that. My favourite item on the Christmas menu is to visit a cathedral and hear a mighty organ and the hushed voices of the choir. Of course that has been destroyed this year. I gave up commercialism and Christmas presents many many years ago.

304040 ▶▶▶ RyanM, replying to Richard O, 1, #52 of 1806 🔗

Oh, bullshit.

But I’m with you on the abuse of power bit.

304073 ▶▶▶ Biker, replying to Richard O, 18, #53 of 1806 🔗

NO such thing as Pagan’s bro. That’s a word christians used to describe the people they murdered who were before them. Picts like me aren’t Pagans, we’re Picts and we understood that the Equinox was an important landmark in the earths passage round the sun. So accordingly we had a little knees up. Christians on the other hand believe in utter pish and as such had to murder anyone who didn’t agree with them out of embarrassment that they could believe in such mumbo jumbo. I too despise Christmas because of this. 20th of December is the winter Equinox and on that night we will be partying in the studio resulting in a mass orgy of all our friends. Wine, weed, whisky, Grape, Grain and Port for my old man, he’s old fashioned like that.

304086 ▶▶▶▶ Fiona Walker, replying to Biker, 3, #54 of 1806 🔗

Sounds like a cool Yule.

304153 ▶▶▶▶ jb12, replying to Biker, 2, #55 of 1806 🔗

The Winter ‘Solstice’ is the 21st or 22nd of December each year.

304156 ▶▶▶▶▶ Suze Burtenshaw, replying to jb12, 2, #56 of 1806 🔗

Apparently, it used to be the 13th – St.Lucy’s day – that was considered the shortest day. I remember my old boss always saying ‘winter draws on’ on the 21st, and ‘winter draws off’ on the Spring solstice. I was a simple soul and always laughed. Well, you do when you’re a kid, don’t you? 🙂

304182 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ jb12, replying to Suze Burtenshaw, 4, #57 of 1806 🔗

I’d imagine that would be because of the change from Julian to Gregorian calendar.

304228 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ GorbalsGirl, replying to Suze Burtenshaw, 4, #58 of 1806 🔗

I believe the confusion in solstice dates comes from the time lags between the old (Roman) Julian calendar and the roll-out of the more-accurate late-Medieval Gregorian calendar.

In Roman times under the Julian calendar, the winter solstice fell on 25th December so this was chosen as the fixed feast date of Christmas. After 2000 years of drift, the Julian solstice date doesn’t align any more with this fixed Christian feast date. And in the Scandinavian countries, which only converted to Gregorian in the last 100 years, the solstice date under Julian fell on the 13th December.

There may be ritualists who still stick with the Julian calendar solstice date (13th December) for traditional religious reasons, who enjoy the St Lucy’s day symbolism even though her 13th December feast date is no longer the actual solstice on the Gregorian calendar.

As long as we all have a big Yuletide party and tell our evil governments to GIRFUY this year, I’m date agnostic to be honest.

304158 ▶▶▶▶▶ Biker, replying to jb12, 2, #59 of 1806 🔗

you might think that but it starts on the 20th

304179 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ jb12, replying to Biker, 1, #60 of 1806 🔗

It isn’t what I think, it is an astronomical fact that the sun reaches its most southerly declination on the 21st or 22nd. When you decide to party is your choice, obviously.

304379 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ NorthumbrianNomad, replying to Biker, 2, #61 of 1806 🔗

I agree with Biker (festivals always start at sunset on what we now think of as “the day before”, the eve) and I wish I was going to be at the orgy.

305184 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Borisbullshit, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, #62 of 1806 🔗

More condoms than masks at the orgy? Had enough of all this safety lol.

304377 ▶▶▶▶▶ NorthumbrianNomad, replying to jb12, 2, #63 of 1806 🔗

But evening of the 20th is the Anglo-Saxon Mother Night, on which the year to come was conceived, the first of the Twelve Nights – one for each of the coming months – culminating in New Year’s Eve. Same in Germany with the Rauhnächte. The day always started at sunset. Hence all the “eves”, otherwise why would you celebrate the day before the actual festival?

304567 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ jb12, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, #64 of 1806 🔗

As I said, the choice of when to party is the partier’s (and if it is a party of the ‘eve’, it won’t always be on the 20th either), but that wasn’t the initial statement.

304501 ▶▶▶▶▶ TJN, replying to jb12, #65 of 1806 🔗

Ah, but the evenings are getting lighter from today!

304578 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ jb12, replying to TJN, #66 of 1806 🔗

No, from the 19th, and here in Scotland that still means sunset at 20 to 4!

304758 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ TJN, replying to jb12, #67 of 1806 🔗

Really? Down here in SW Devon by my calcs sunset is getting later after the 15th, from 16:12 or 13, and by other calculators after the 13th, but we’re talking seconds here obviously so there may be rounding errors. Don’t know why it would be any different in Scotland.

304937 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ jb12, replying to TJN, 1, #68 of 1806 🔗

Yeah, I see that. I think it has to do with the difference in latitude, though I am open to being corrected. The difference in latitude certainly affects the particular day that, according to our calendar, the sun rises due east in the Spring

305473 ▶▶▶▶ MutzNutz, replying to Biker, #69 of 1806 🔗

I’m liking you more and more! even if we don’t agree on much else.. I’m a Burns baby btw

305669 ▶▶▶▶ David Grimbleby, replying to Biker, #70 of 1806 🔗

It is The Solstice.

304151 ▶▶▶ Seansaighdeoir, replying to Richard O, 2, #71 of 1806 🔗

Saturnalia was a Roman winter pagan festival around the solstice which consisted of eating and drinking to excess amidst riotous behaviour. That is probably as close to what happens normally but most people don’t realise what it is they are ‘celebrating’.

304381 ▶▶▶▶ NorthumbrianNomad, replying to Seansaighdeoir, 2, #72 of 1806 🔗

Saturnalia was topsy turvydom. Slaves became masters and vice versa.they wouldn’t dare encourage that kind of behaviour today. Know your place and stay in it, that’s what it’s all about now.

304281 ▶▶ Borisbullshit, replying to Lisa (formerly) from Toronto, 11, #73 of 1806 🔗

I think those who really want to see their family will do. If its banned that makes lots more rule breakers which will hopefully red pill them. Plus more people see that the government are a bunch of lying bastards who cannot be trusted. The more people see that the better for us.

304463 ▶▶▶ Spikedee1, replying to Borisbullshit, 3, #74 of 1806 🔗

The basic truth is they don’t care about infection spread. What they really care about is people having a great time, feeling free and noticing that none of them got ill, despite all their cuddling and kissing granny she is still okay. As fighters will tell you, if you have someone on the floor keep you foot on his throat and do not let them up.

305190 ▶▶▶▶ Borisbullshit, replying to Spikedee1, #75 of 1806 🔗

I shall remember that one if I become entangled with a Covid Marshall!

Politicians hate humanity

305291 ▶▶ Binra, replying to Lisa (formerly) from Toronto, 3, #77 of 1806 🔗

The intent is to condition the populations to willing compliance under adjusted expectations – and is ratcheting up tighter after every seeming relaxation – and in a line from the Terminator movies – “It will not stop!”.
Initially shutting most everything down convinced the public that the virus was THAT SERIOUS! – and while the revealed facts belie the claim, the underlying act of power to do this – and maintain it is itself the revealing of the fist behind the mask.
Unnamable fear is not really limited by its seeming specific limit to a virus and its narratives of shame and guilting, nor to a corrupted and evil suruping of our institutions and government that suddenly seem to have turned against us. This is too disturbing to even look at for many, as is the WEF/Rockefeller/China et al open (but tedious and boring mindf**k of PR) agenda for destroying the world to reset in their image.
God is sacrificed to a Virus. Covid runs as state religion. There can and will be no other – except as a form of identity conformed and supplied by the State.

That Script is the logical outcome to power struggle.
An Awakening Script looks on the same world with different eyes.
I decry crassmass but have a deep sense of what the birth of the Divine into a world set in fear actually means and unfolds. I also have a strong sense of the deep truth of convivial celebrations as a foundation for cultural exchange, renewal and expression.

303998 Richard O, replying to Richard O, 71, #78 of 1806 🔗

I am thinking of the Czech Resistance tonight, who fought against desperate odds and yet ultimately prevailed against brutal fascist occupation and communist dictatorship. We can draw much inspiration from their example. They never, ever gave up, despite everything being stacked against them for years and decades on end. History only remembers this resistance, who comprised probably no more than 5% of the population. Nothing is written or remembered of the 95% who complied with every demand of their occupiers throughout. We may well not live to see our victory, but our fate as individuals is unimportant.

304012 ▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Richard O, 16, #79 of 1806 🔗

Antony Beevor discussing his book The Fall Of Berlin recalls a German journalist who, in January 1945, as a member of the Hitler Youth entered a grocery shop and gave the ubiquitous queue the zeig heil salute.

He was surprised that everybody stared at him as though he was mad, little realising how much things had changed in the short time he had been away.

304100 ▶▶▶ Waldorf, replying to karenovirus, 6, #80 of 1806 🔗

In the later stages of the war, Nazi Party members tended to be less willing to wear their party badges in public. Normally these were worn on a lapel or sometimes a necktie.

304020 ▶▶ annie, replying to Richard O, 36, #81 of 1806 🔗

You’re right. History is not made by sheeples.
No Resistance in WW2 succeeded in throwing off the Nazis by its own unaided efforts. But they sere the keepers of theit country’s soul. Just as we are.
NEVER give in.

304110 ▶▶ Sheila, replying to Richard O, 12, #82 of 1806 🔗

Richard O, that is a great way to look at it, we may be the 5% but we are on the right side of history.

I’m resisting this dystopian hell not just for myself but for my grandkids, everyone’s kids and grandkids.

I just want them to enjoy the rights and freedoms I have and that were fought so hard for down the centuries by those before us.

Governments can try to inflict all manner of control over the people but they always fail once the majority of people resist.

Sadly, although the majority are quietly starting to complain, they are still compliant due to fear, not of a virus but that even more contagious phenomenon of social conformity…….and a massive dose of cowardice!

Can someone invent a vaccine against both of these deadly contagions…..please!

304308 ▶▶ JanMasarykMunich, replying to Richard O, 7, #83 of 1806 🔗

Yes, lots to learn from the Czechs. They actually count three resistance (odboj) movements: 1914-18 (independence movement), 39-45, and 48-89. Apart from the first, relatively few people were actively engaged.

An interesting figure for current crisis is Josef Šafařík, who is not well-known even in CR but was a major influence on V. Havel. In his book Letters to Melin , Šafařík, an engineer turned author, examines the metaphysical underpinning of technocracy, science as a power structure (and lots of other stuff). Published in 1948 (and withdrawn from shops only a few months after publication), still very relevant today and deserves to be better known.

304372 ▶▶ microdave, replying to Richard O, 7, #84 of 1806 🔗

They never, ever gave up, despite everything being stacked against them for years and decades on end

That is the problem we (as in Lockdown Sceptics) face. Whilst I hope that sanity eventually prevails over here, I doubt that I will be around to see it. As others have frequently noted, the majority of British public seem blind to the severity of the situation. It could be a long time before enough of them start objecting with the force needed to bring an end to this shitshow…

305212 ▶▶▶ ianric, replying to microdave, 2, #85 of 1806 🔗

My concern is that even if these stupid lockdown laws were overturned, they might not be overturned for some time. The issue this creates that people will miss out on things which has happened to me. This year I have missed out on my annual holiday. I live with my parents who have swallowed completely the fear porn propoganda pumped out by the MSM and government. In work we were going to have a takeaway at another office as a Christmas dinner as we couldn’t eat in a restaurant. I couldn’t go because my parents thought it was too dangerous and I had to miss it. My brother would bring his son to visit us every week. We had to miss out on this when visitors were not allowed in people’s houses. I used to go the gym twice a week but the gym had to close during two lockdowns in Wales. I can’t use the gym because there are no shower and changing facilities.

Other people will be in the same situation eg missing out on work Chrismtas dos if restaurants can’t open, not being able to invite friends around for children’s birthdays.

I have done distance learning courses. I have to travel to sit exams and if an exam is in the morning I have to book accommodation. I am concerned an exam centre will be in a tier where hotels have to close.

304647 ▶▶ OKUK, replying to Richard O, 3, #86 of 1806 🔗

Well said. I would also recommend The Secret Army, a contemporaneous account of the Polish resistance under occupation. Virtually every Pole was either an active member of the organisation or aided it in ways both large and small.

304828 ▶▶ RichardJames, replying to Richard O, 6, #87 of 1806 🔗

On the wall of St Cyril’s Church where the Czechs fought to the death is a plaque memorialising the last stand of the Czech parachutists who carried out Operation Anthropoid, the assassination of Reinhardt Heydrich.

When they were cornered, the Germans shouted that there was no hope and that the parachutists should give up; they shouted from the crypt “We are Czechs and we will never surrender!” This phrase is carved into the plaque, and has become a national motto.

I pray that this motto become ours, in due time.

303999 BuildVaccineTrust, replying to BuildVaccineTrust, 13, #88 of 1806 🔗

There is a major ethics problem with how they are handling the vaccine. It amounts to unethical experimentation on millions of people without their consent. The International Journal of Clinical Practice has an article on:

“Informed consent disclosure to vaccine trial subjects of risk of COVID‐19 vaccines worsening clinical disease…
….disclosure of the specific risk of worsened COVID‐19 disease from vaccination calls for a specific, separate, informed consent form and demonstration of patient comprehension in order to meet medical ethics standards. The informed consent process for ongoing COVID‐19 vaccine trials does not appear to meet this standard.”

Yet the patient information for the vaccine from the UK, US and Canada don’t even mention the issue exists, let along ensure people understand it.

There risk is still there: the FDA’s Emergency Use Authorization explicitly notes: “risk of vaccine-enhanced disease over time, potentially associated with waning immunity, remains unknown and needs to be evaluated further in ongoing clinical trials and in observational studies”.

No matter how well intentioned this is: it should be viewed as an astonishingly egregious violation of medical ethics. Millions of people are lining up to get a shot without fully realizing the risks or grasping how experimental it is.

Out of frustration I collected links to government documents and scientific journal articles on this issue and created a site with more information and a petition objecting to it, this is the part of it:

The non-partisan US government’s Congressional Research Service explained : “experts are concerned about the potential for vaccine enhanced disease, in which vaccination could worsen the health effects of COVID-19 infections […]. Animal studies of other coronavirus vaccines have found some potential for vaccine enhanced disease”

A medical journal says after the dengue vaccine’s initial effect faded “vaccinated children in the 2–5 year age group, were found to be nearly 8 times likely to be hospitalized for severe dengue, compared to children in the placebo group”.

Media in countries hit hard by COVID-19 haven’t called attention to the issue to date. In contrast a Japanese paper quoted the director of the Japanese Society of Clinical Virology: “Concerns over ADE still remain. I am an elderly person myself, but if I were asked, I would say I don’t want to get a shot.” Elsewhere he explained : “In the past, a dengue vaccine proved effective in tests and was widely used, but then it worsened symptoms for people who were still getting infected.”. A leading professor of Immunology testified to Japan’s House of Representatives: “There’s no doubt that their effectiveness is quite high, but their safety is not guaranteed at all”.

Unfortunately the short testing period wasn’t long enough to assess the risk. Hopefully continued testing will discover COVID-19 vaccines are safe over the long run, but they don’t understand COVID-19 well enough to predict that. More science, government and other links for all of this at BuildVaccineTrust.com

304059 ▶▶ Basileus, replying to BuildVaccineTrust, 13, #89 of 1806 🔗

This is a very important disclosure of a significant risk. The paper states:

COVID‐19 vaccines designed to elicit neutralising antibodies may sensitise vaccine recipients to more severe disease than if they were not vaccinated. Vaccines for SARS, MERS and RSV have never been approved, and the data generated in the development and testing of these vaccines suggest a serious mechanistic concern: that vaccines designed empirically using the traditional approach (consisting of the unmodified or minimally modified coronavirus viral spike to elicit neutralising antibodies), be they composed of protein, viral vector, DNA or RNA and irrespective of delivery method, may worsen COVID‐19 disease via antibody‐dependent enhancement (ADE). This risk is sufficiently obscured in clinical trial protocols and consent forms for ongoing COVID‐19 vaccine trials that adequate patient comprehension of this risk is unlikely to occur, obviating truly informed consent by subjects in these trials.’

304193 ▶▶ p02099003, replying to BuildVaccineTrust, 5, #90 of 1806 🔗

The responsibility for explaining all of the risks falls on the shoulders, not of the vaccine creators, or even the person administering the injection(if they are not a registered healthcare professional) but the prescribing physician as it is an off licence medication. If the person administering the vaccine is registered then they have a duty to check consent is informed. I don’t think there can be implied consent, usually if a patient presents an arm for blood pressure measurement for example then there’s implied consent, rolling up your sleeve for an injection wouldn’t be valid.

305033 ▶▶ Ben, replying to BuildVaccineTrust, #91 of 1806 🔗

A rushed, experimental, indemnified vaccine predicted to cause unpleasant side effects and with Government ministers holding shares in the vaccine manufacturers (Sir Patrick Vaccine-Shares), I would say events have helped BuildVaccineDistrust

Additionally, there is a weight of scientific evidence to suggest vitamin D supplementation provides protection against viruses at a fraction of the cost and without side effects

304000 Judy Watson, 6, #92 of 1806 🔗

OOOOOPS missed the podium – was in the shower!!!

304005 Hugh, replying to Hugh, 24, #93 of 1806 🔗

So would anyone care to tell me what is going on?

Can we have all our rights back once all the over 65s who want to take their chances have been offered a cv “vaccine”? Will it be safe and effective? And if not, will the pharmaceutical companies be in a lot of trouble next year, or will their exemption from liability see them right? Will they not sell anything too risky even so because of damage to their reputations? Or will ways be found of hiding the damage? And do the politicians really believe what they tell us, or do they know jolly well they are playing politics, keeping their funders/supporters happy etc? Or maybe a mixture?

304007 ▶▶ Richard O, replying to Hugh, 57, #94 of 1806 🔗

We have not lost any rights that require regaining. They have merely been temporarily, arbitrarily and illegally suspended by a criminal government which should have no authority but for the millions of citizens who are unaware that their rights are inalienable, and thus have unknowingly ceded them to the state.

304014 ▶▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Richard O, 48, #95 of 1806 🔗

We trusted our rights away for three weeks back in March. The government have been abusing that trust ever since in collusion with the opposition.

304015 ▶▶▶▶ Richard O, replying to karenovirus, 24, #96 of 1806 🔗

So true. The near total compliance with the late March orders was our fatal error, and we continue to suffer terribly for it. Much like the recipients of Blitzkrieg in WW2. This attack came from a similar mindset (albeit with psychological weapons only). The end result for the perpetrators will be the same, but they can cause a lot more damage yet before they are defeated.

304464 ▶▶▶▶▶ TimeIsNow, replying to Richard O, 5, #97 of 1806 🔗

Absolutely right. The theatrical March lockdown in Wuhan was a dead giveaway. As soon as I found out the average age for Covid deaths was over 82 that was me done. I was ranting about this anti scientific crap in March to some bewildered friends and family. I’m so pleased that I was listening to Hitchins and Delingpole back then. Other wise I could have been the only sceptic in the country as far as I knew.

305187 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Stella Talbot, replying to TimeIsNow, 1, #98 of 1806 🔗

Yes you’re right. It was all super theatrical, from the beginning. I realize that now.

304021 ▶▶▶▶ annie, replying to karenovirus, 37, #99 of 1806 🔗

I didn’t trust them then, not for three weeks, not for three hours, not for three minutes. It was so obvious that human rights meant nothing to them and never had.

304097 ▶▶▶▶▶ Stephanos, replying to annie, 25, #100 of 1806 🔗

I have been against lockdown even before it started. I know some on this forum are willing to give the government the benefit of the doubt at the beginning, but I am not even prepared to do that.

304250 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ anon, replying to Stephanos, #101 of 1806 🔗


304354 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ miahoneybee, replying to Stephanos, 5, #102 of 1806 🔗

I was suspicious from the start but the rona lives on cash bullshit did it for me as the final straw..a cashless society has always been their game so use cash as much as you can and civil disobedience whenever you can.. 😁

304767 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ richard riewer, replying to Stephanos, 2, #103 of 1806 🔗

When PM Johnson announced that he was considering herd immunity I was impressed and hopeful. Sucker!

305381 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ richard riewer, replying to richard riewer, 1, #104 of 1806 🔗

I nominate Covid-19 for Best Actor (gender neutral) in a supporting role.

305197 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Borisbullshit, replying to Stephanos, 1, #105 of 1806 🔗

Me neither I knew they were bad uns immediately on the 23rd March….no honeymoon period for me.

304161 ▶▶▶▶▶ Ovis, replying to annie, 12, #106 of 1806 🔗

Bojo’s announcement was worse than sinister. It was transparently naff. He and his accomplices have been openly taking the piss since March. That’s the element of this that is so frightening. They might as well come out and moon us. They’re barely even pretending.

304338 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ anon, replying to Ovis, 5, #107 of 1806 🔗

well sociopath hancock did pretend to cry.

304494 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ stevie, replying to anon, 1, #108 of 1806 🔗

Tiers(tears) of laughter

304522 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ wat tyler, replying to anon, #109 of 1806 🔗

Just looked over yesterdays comments and i noticed you asked me why Talk Radio was off youtube last week.What people said at the time was its simply a technical problem.

305373 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ richard riewer, replying to anon, #110 of 1806 🔗

Is it too late to nominate him for an Oscar?

304042 ▶▶▶ RyanM, replying to Richard O, 1, #111 of 1806 🔗

Hah! I’m with you there, too.

Same over here in the good ol’ US.

305186 ▶▶▶ charleyfarley, replying to Richard O, #112 of 1806 🔗

Damn straight.

304274 ▶▶ Crystal Decanter, replying to Hugh, 2, #113 of 1806 🔗

Silly goose
They were always privileges – not rights

304009 Judy Watson, replying to Judy Watson, 58, #114 of 1806 🔗

Re the not visiting Granma or Granpa bit. I have to friends one in Germany and the other in the UK. The one in Germany his mother is 89 with dementia. The one in England his mother is 76 with COPD. Both of them have seen their mothers – the one in Germany every week the one in England daily and he takes his kids with him. None of them wear masks and refuse to kowtow to the stupid ‘rules’ Bloody good on them I say

304078 ▶▶ Will, replying to Judy Watson, 29, #115 of 1806 🔗

My stepfather is 92 in February. Has farmers lung, COPD and is hospitalised most winters with pneumonia. He made it clear in April that he had had enough of lockdown; his line was “I have had a jolly good life and, if it is to be this that finishes me off, so be it”.

304197 ▶▶▶ Ewan Duffy, replying to Will, 23, #116 of 1806 🔗

My grandmother is 94 and for many months has been openly expressing a wish to pass away in her sleep, rather than continuing with life under this new regime.

304010 Cecil B, replying to Cecil B, 33, #117 of 1806 🔗

Breaking News

Welsh Government press release

Contrary to press speculation we are pleased to announce that we will not be cancelling Christmas. The previous commitments in relation to Christmas will be honoured

We appreciate this has been a long hard year with many false dawns and we thank you once again for your perseverance

We are also pleased to announce an exciting new initiative that will completely eradicate the virus by 31st March 2021

As with many scientific breakthroughs the answer was right under our noses all along

As many of you know our great leader has been living in his garden shed since March. Our dear leader has been virus free as a result

Research shows that all virus carriers have been living in traditional residential properties such as houses, flats, etc

Therefore from 31st December we will commencing a policy of Residential Rationalisation

The plan is to destroy all traditional residential properties in Wales and replace them with garden sheds

Early on the 1st January REME units will commence the demolition of remote Welsh villages

Unfortunately it would take REME 14 years to complete this all Wales project

As a newly emerging world power we have been able to ask our American allies to assist us in this matter

Our allies have agreed to allow units of the USAF to commence the carpet bombing of Wales commencing on the 4th January

The initial carpet bombing will concentrate on major urban conurbations such as Cardiff, Swansea and Llanddewi Brefi*

Due to possible infrastructure damage we will be unable to announce localised Residential Rationalisation warnings

During the period of RR Police and Environmental Health Officers will be housed in special bomb proof shelters as part of a plan for them to later breed and create a race of Super Welsh

Sheds will be available for collection from the Senedd from August 2022

Stay Home Stay Sober Stay Safe**

Oh! and have a Merry Christmas

Note to editors

  • *We know Swansea is not a major conurbation and was only included for illustrative purposes
  • ** The ‘Stay Home Stay Sober Stay Safe’ offer is non transferable and expires on the 31st December 2020
304011 ▶▶ Llamasaurus Rex, replying to Cecil B, 6, #118 of 1806 🔗

At last, a plan to get out of this mess, which makes real sense!

304013 ▶▶ Richard O, replying to Cecil B, 2, #119 of 1806 🔗

Destruction as the only path to salvation. It would have to be the USAF (or similar) as well, the UK government cannot command sufficient military resources for such a plan. Short of nuclear weapons of course, and I bet even those are rotting and unusable.

304852 ▶▶▶ RichardJames, replying to Richard O, #120 of 1806 🔗

“Short of nuclear weapons of course, and I bet even those are rotting and unusable”

The last time they fired one, it went off course (towards the USA instead of out towrds the open ocean) and it had to be destroyed. Past their “nuke-by date”, I think.

304018 ▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Cecil B, 1, #121 of 1806 🔗

o/t Cecil, yesterday Alex Belfied YouTube had Dragonbreath giving the vote to 16 year olds, foreign residents and guests of HMP.
Why ?

304778 ▶▶▶ richard riewer, replying to karenovirus, #122 of 1806 🔗

Because they have been thoroughly brainwashed.

304022 ▶▶ annie, replying to Cecil B, 3, #123 of 1806 🔗

Dungford will ensure no tiers are shed over this plan!

304041 ▶▶ mhcp, replying to Cecil B, 1, #124 of 1806 🔗

Sounds like he’s becoming Drakeford Drakeford Drakeford with a nod to Catch 22

304063 ▶▶▶ annie, replying to mhcp, 5, #125 of 1806 🔗

More like Torah Torah Torah.

304060 ▶▶ Eliza P., replying to Cecil B, 1, #126 of 1806 🔗

One does hope that Dripford realises this is typical British satirical humour LOL. Do you think he shares the British sense of humour – or won’t the Nationalists let him?

304079 ▶▶ Will, replying to Cecil B, #127 of 1806 🔗


305386 ▶▶ richard riewer, replying to Cecil B, #128 of 1806 🔗

In that case Happy New Year!

304024 annie, 30, #129 of 1806 🔗

As often, C. S. Lewis sums up the quintessence of good and evil in a ‘fantasy’ stories that have turned out to mirror a deadly reality.

What epitomises the sufferings of Narnia under the Evil Witch? It’s always winter and NEVER CHRISTMAS.

And when the Witch comes across a happy party nevertheless enjoying a Christmas dinner, she waves her wand and turns them all to stone.

304025 annie, replying to annie, 94, #130 of 1806 🔗

I’ll tell you why the evil bastards are so terrified of Christmas. It’s in case people mix and mingle in hordes and NOTHING HAPPENS. No ‘surges’, no dead grannies. Where’s their terror-power thrn, the evil bastards?

304034 ▶▶ TC, replying to annie, 32, #131 of 1806 🔗

Sadly,they’ll just invent and present yet more lying stats that the majority will faerfully accept without question.

304094 ▶▶▶ Will, replying to TC, 15, #132 of 1806 🔗

I don’t think they can get away with that tactic anymore because Heneghan is after them. Hence the ludicrous “new variant” nonsense this week.

304993 ▶▶▶▶ Ben, replying to Will, 3, #133 of 1806 🔗

There will be new variants conjured up so long as governments find them useful and so long as stupid humans believe them

304074 ▶▶ Mr Dee, replying to annie, 14, #134 of 1806 🔗

But we thought, back in June, that the BLM marches would have had this effect on the minds of the Covid-enthralled. Sadly logic no longer reigns.

304117 ▶▶▶ SweetBabyCheeses, replying to Mr Dee, 12, #135 of 1806 🔗

Nobody thought that. Because they were outdoors.
The problem with organised protests is not that they spread disease, it’s that they spread ideas, info and hope.
Hence why it’s ok for work nonsense but not for anything else.

304785 ▶▶▶▶ richard riewer, replying to SweetBabyCheeses, 1, #136 of 1806 🔗

Don’t protest outdoors, protest indoors.

304261 ▶▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Mr Dee, 2, #137 of 1806 🔗

All those selfish granny killers invading the parks and beaches.

304092 ▶▶ Will, replying to annie, 18, #138 of 1806 🔗

That is exactly the situation of which they are terrified. They know the “second wave” peaked in the week ending the 23rd October and it peaked in tier 3 (MK 1) before the tiers even came in. Whether they will be able to manufacture another “spike” in the new year we will see but the vaccine rollout isn’t going to happen fast enough to cover up a lack of a peak and then people might start noticing the emperor hasn’t any clothes on.

304272 ▶▶ The Filthy Engineer, replying to annie, 5, #139 of 1806 🔗

Quite. It didn’t “surge” with the XR protests. It didn’t “surge” with the BLM protests. And neither did it “surge” on the supposedly overcrowded beaches in the summer. Three data points and people still don’t see the obvious.

304516 ▶▶ Spikedee1, replying to annie, 8, #140 of 1806 🔗

You know the real problem annie, it’s where they get their propaganda from. I bet the vast majority have never stepped away from MSM or the BBC, GMB bubble. But what a fantastic use of propaganda, from the faked Wuhan deaths, the Italian hospitals, the daily death toll, asymptomatic transmissions, killing granny, save the NHS, police arresting walkers, drones, then summer holidays bringing back more death, BLM peaceful protests, violent anti vaxer protests, Cases rising, cases rising dangerously, the vaccine will save us, cancel Easter. Close schools, the young are killing granny, more cases, government terror predictions, death, death, and Cases. And now cancel christmas to save the NHS. Reminds me of mr incredible in the Pixar film. I keep saving the world, but then it gets into trouble again and I think can’t you stay out of trouble for five minutes! Replace world with NHS. I look at the BBC website every day to get a feeling of what we are up against. Its mostly lies, and doom and gloom. The only positive things they show is if it’s to do with the vaccine.

304988 ▶▶ Ben, replying to annie, 5, #141 of 1806 🔗

That’s why they want to destroy pubs, cafés, restaurants, bars, concerts, sporting events,.. Because those places and events are where people mix and come together and that’s what politicians are afraid of

305085 ▶▶▶ Richym99, replying to Ben, 2, #142 of 1806 🔗

You are close, but my own thoughts are that they want to shut down the main causes of people going to A&E and hospital in general. As alcohol is one of the key drivers of A&E admissions, removing the key ingredient is their answer to solving the NHS demand issue.

The other, of course, being GP referals, which is why since Febrary, almost nobody has been able to to see a GP. Why else would surgeries have answer phone messages saying

“If you are ill, do not come to the surgery.”

You have to ask where am I suppose to go then, bloody Asda ?

304027 Sir Patrick Vaccine, replying to Sir Patrick Vaccine, 7, #143 of 1806 🔗
304167 ▶▶ Biker, replying to Sir Patrick Vaccine, 10, #144 of 1806 🔗

Canada is fucked, they used to be made of hardy stuff and fucked moose outside in Winter but now they’re run some racist cuck who hates white people, and white men especially, loves black cock and wants to kill everyone until those left do exactly what he wants.

304276 ▶▶▶ Crystal Decanter, replying to Biker, 1, #145 of 1806 🔗

Underrated post

304029 Scotty87, replying to Scotty87, 49, #146 of 1806 🔗

Calls for an emergency COBRA meeting not to discuss domestic terrorism or the next cyber attack originating from Russia or Iran – no, to decide whether or not the stupid plebs should be allowed to celebrate Christmas with their families in the privacy of their own homes.

Conservative, Labour, Lib Dem, it matters not – we need to urgently consign these Communist, WEF puppets to the dustbin of political history. These are sick, dangerous people who must be stopped.

304030 ▶▶ Richard O, replying to Scotty87, 25, #147 of 1806 🔗

Celebrating Christmas is domestic terrorism. That’s why it was hammered home relentlessly back in March/April that we were transitioning into a new normal. No idle propaganda gimmick, this was a vicious and premeditated attack by a remorseless and relentless enemy that will never stop until we stop them.

304787 ▶▶▶ richard riewer, replying to Richard O, 3, #148 of 1806 🔗

Right on brother! It’s a step by step erosion of all our rights and freedoms. Time to reverse the process.

305201 ▶▶▶ Stella Talbot, replying to Richard O, 2, #149 of 1806 🔗

Yes the destruction of our culture seems to be very important to them.

304031 Nicky, replying to Nicky, 43, #150 of 1806 🔗

Do you know what, I hope they do ban Christmas because then, when they want to lock us all down again in January, because of a so-called ‘3rd wave’, they can’t blame ‘the people’. Except, oh no I forgot, ‘the people’ will be blamed anyway, won’t they, as they were obviously not following the rules properly. I’m sick of meeting people in our local area who are now so cowed and indoctrinated by the fear-mongering and one-sided reporting of all this, that they have literally become like robots going about their daily business. The only positive thing I saw in our local town yesterday was the new ‘Covid truths’ newsletter, papered across the inside of the windows of our local Wetherspoon’s for all to see. Wonder if it will still be there this time next week?

304036 ▶▶ Richard O, replying to Nicky, 50, #151 of 1806 🔗

You express a very strange psychological state that I have strongly felt and which must have recent, documented historical precedent. As a society degenerates into authoritarianism, those who oppose it are willing the authorities to implement ever more absurd restrictions in the hope that it will trigger a mass resistance. Sadly I think we are well past that point now, the Rubicon has been crossed and the majority will continue to do whatever they are told by the state. I don’t think any of us will really know when the actual turning point has been reached. Our only choice is to battle on, day after painful day.

304046 ▶▶▶ PastImperfect, replying to Richard O, 2, #152 of 1806 🔗


Quote from William Kingdom Clifford plus discussion.

304058 ▶▶▶ annie, replying to Richard O, 13, #153 of 1806 🔗

You’re right. The sheeples are jostling to enter the slaughterhouse. There’s nothing, nothing they won’t take. It’s up to us to fight tyranny, not assist it.

304975 ▶▶▶▶ Edward, replying to annie, 2, #154 of 1806 🔗

Someone posted here recently that most people living under tyranny don’t realise it. A good example is North Korea – this attitude was evident in Michael Palin’s TV programme about his visit there a year or two ago.

304106 ▶▶▶ thinkaboutit, replying to Richard O, 13, #155 of 1806 🔗

I’m sure you are right. If Hopeless Hancock told people to hop on one leg 3 times before entering a shop ( it shakes off the Covid, don’t you know) they would do it. No brain is engaged by the public.

304791 ▶▶▶▶ richard riewer, replying to thinkaboutit, #156 of 1806 🔗

The Ministry of Silly Cucks.

305223 ▶▶▶ Stella Talbot, replying to Richard O, 2, #157 of 1806 🔗

Do you really think so Richard? I’m still hoping that something will happen to wake people up. Am I being naive?

304038 ▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Nicky, 1, #158 of 1806 🔗

That was reported as happening in Swale, Kent, yesterday here on LS, is yours somewhere else ?

304091 ▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to Nicky, 5, #159 of 1806 🔗

Same here. My local area is populated by zombies and my workplace is no better. After having to put up with my local area during the first lockdown, I actively boycott it now – its a depressing place with no local businesses, little to no green spaces and loads of people particularly students making a nuisance of themselves.

305210 ▶▶▶ Borisbullshit, replying to Bart Simpson, #160 of 1806 🔗

Blimey where is this area?

305207 ▶▶ Borisbullshit, replying to Nicky, 2, #161 of 1806 🔗

Yes I saw them too as all the muzzled sheep shuffled past the closed pub.

304032 PatrickF, replying to PatrickF, 5, #162 of 1806 🔗


304169 ▶▶ Ovis, replying to PatrickF, 1, #163 of 1806 🔗

35th taketh the pifth.

304033 Julian, replying to Julian, 14, #164 of 1806 🔗

This is well worth reading in full and pondering on: https://lockdownsceptics.org/the-risk-to-granny/

Guy de la Bédoyère looks at women over 75 in England & Wales and calculates that in an average year 6.7% of them will die, based on freely available stats

Then he says this:

“This recent Imperial College article (October 2020) explains that that an IFR for COVID-19 of about 0.1% for under-40s rises to over 5% for the over-80s (it doubles for about every 8 years of life over 40). In other words, of 100 people aged over 80 who catch COVID-19 up to about 6 will die. That’s another way of saying that 94 will survive Covid. That’s both sexes and we know women do slightly better.”

The risk from covid to this group seems to me to be remarkably similar to the risk of dying anyway. Now we here all probably knew this, but in my view this is the most realistic way of looking at it and a very powerful argument – instead of telling people that the IFR for over-80s is over 5%. which still sounds scary, you can tell them that the chances someone dying from covid IF THEY CATCH IT are more or less the same as their chances of dying generally based on last year’s figures. I expect the same approach could be applied to any other group.

Please point out what I’ve missed. There’s scope for a nice chart here.

304069 ▶▶ steve_w, replying to Julian, 7, #165 of 1806 🔗

That the risk of dying of covid is similar to dying of anything else this year was known when the first data came back from Italy in March. It was popularised mainly by Professor Spiegelhalter from Cambridge. In the early days he said we just have to sort of get through this and that any intervention was just to stop that 1 year of extra death happening in a couple of months if everyone got rapidly infected.

Michael Leavitt always contended it was more like 1 extra month of death (due to the IFR being lower than presumed, previous immunity etc).

304096 ▶▶ Alethea, replying to Julian, 6, #166 of 1806 🔗

Private Eye pointed this out, back in the spring, yet has continued with its orthodox lockdownism ever since. I agree with you that it sounds like a killer fact: but apparently the people who believe in the covid cult aren’t reachable by facts.

304109 ▶▶▶ annie, replying to Alethea, 1, #167 of 1806 🔗

‘Cult’ is the opposite of ‘fact’.

304035 JamesDrebin, 9, #168 of 1806 🔗

In case you missed it yesterday…

Here’s my write-up of Monday’s HoC debate on mandatory vaccination:


It’s too long to stick in here (no snickering at the back!), so I’m afraid you’ll have to read it over on the forums. Why not leave a comment – the forums could do with more users!



304037 Tim Bidie, replying to Tim Bidie, 20, #169 of 1806 🔗

It has been a shock to realise that the country in which I thought I lived no longer exists.

It should not have been. There have been blindingly obvious clues along the way; the impossibility, any longer, of being a ‘Briton’; pedestrians in Sloane Square, none of them looking skywards as the Battle of Britain Flight flew over; the bizarre outpourings of grief by so many over the death in a car crash of Diana, Princess of Wales; 40% support for Mr Corbyn; parliament’s refusal to implement the democratically expressed will of the electorate; the British Army diminished to a militia and sent to an arguably illegal war without essential equipment; Blair and Teflon Terry’s (oh..and then he did something just as illiberal at Ofcom!) illiberal tyranny of the majority hunting act……….and so on and so forth, culminating in this total weird out…..

Britain, in my lifetime, has welcomed roughly 4 million new citizens 1945-1997 and at least another 10 million, net, since then.

Make of that what you will, but in numbers alone, that is seismic……..

304044 ▶▶ Richard O, replying to Tim Bidie, 15, #170 of 1806 🔗

For the record I voted Remain in 2016 and Corbyn in 2019, totally against my principles, and fuelled purely out of a near irrational (at the time) hatred of the leader of the other side in both of those elections. Namely Johnson. If he has anything to do with anything, it has always been, is and will continue to be toxic death. Above all others he deserves a lifetime custodial sentence.

304050 ▶▶▶ Tim Bidie, replying to Richard O, 7, #171 of 1806 🔗

He is a politician, most of whom are complete nincompoops, simply talk for a living….but he is supposed to be supported by a competent bureaucracy. It is crystal clear that he is, in fact, surrounded by other politicians with civil service titles but no professional substance……..

304065 ▶▶▶▶ Richard O, replying to Tim Bidie, 10, #172 of 1806 🔗

Has there ever been a politician who harboured a greater distance between their image of themselves and their actual performance than Johnson? Dictators like Stalin surely did, but at least he excelled in evil. Johnson can’t even do that.

304067 ▶▶▶ Barney McGrew, replying to Richard O, 20, #173 of 1806 🔗

I admit to having been fooled by Johnson, or rather by wishful thinking. I wasn’t too bothered about his ‘competence’ because I assumed that his job was not to understand how a spreadsheet worked, but to understand history, the importance of liberty and so on. I assumed that Johnson was the man to do that. I was wrong.

I don’t know what to make of him, now. But I have learned something: until you have experienced it, you can’t grasp why those older than you are so implacably cynical about politicians. I understand now.

304080 ▶▶▶▶ Richard O, replying to Barney McGrew, 15, #174 of 1806 🔗

The articles from his days in journalism are very revealing. Here speaks an eccentric, upper class libertarian, seemingly committed to upholding the freedom of the individual and the independence of the nation state.

Now we know he values none of these things. The public persona was a charade. This is a man who above all else loves his image of himself, and nothing else. In reality he is utterly hopeless, and very weak. Which is why he is one of the worst political leaders in all of human history. Not necessarily a bad guy actually (although I believe he certainly is), just thoroughly shite.

304146 ▶▶▶▶▶ thinkaboutit, replying to Richard O, 9, #175 of 1806 🔗

He wrote those libertarian articles at a time when it cost him nothing. This year he has been called to account for his principles. He hasn’t any.

304798 ▶▶▶▶▶ richard riewer, replying to Richard O, #176 of 1806 🔗


305703 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Llamasaurus Rex, replying to richard riewer, #177 of 1806 🔗

Yep. No doubt about it. Full blown NPD.

305219 ▶▶▶▶▶ Borisbullshit, replying to Richard O, #178 of 1806 🔗

Carrie loves him though…for the time being…..

304104 ▶▶▶▶ chaos, replying to Barney McGrew, 22, #179 of 1806 🔗

56 year old, serial adulterer, two marriages shot to pieces, 32 year old girlfriend/soul-mate and mother of his 6th, 7th or 8th child. She will not be his last conquest.

For me this was always the red flag. He’s a man-boy. And he cares not for the hearts of others.

304135 ▶▶▶▶▶ Richard O, replying to chaos, 5, #180 of 1806 🔗

Power may well be an aphrodisiac, but most of these children were conceived when he was nothing politically.

Kissinger had a much more solid approach. A far superior bastard all round really.

304190 ▶▶▶ Biker, replying to Richard O, 11, #181 of 1806 🔗

How the fuck could you vote remain? The EU is just another layer of government we need rid of. For that reason alone you should have vote leave. I’d get rid of Parliament, the scottish parliament and local councils myself. I think between us we can get by without the kind of people who want these things

304487 ▶▶▶ Crystal Decanter, replying to Richard O, 2, #182 of 1806 🔗

On the plus side Left and Right are now meaningless terms
Coronatarians are on both “sides”
Freedom fighters also

304795 ▶▶▶ richard riewer, replying to Richard O, #183 of 1806 🔗

My doubts about Johnson began when I read about his state visit to Erdogan in Turkey. Brown nose.

304048 ▶▶ PastImperfect, replying to Tim Bidie, 11, #184 of 1806 🔗

Blair was given the Native American name of “Walking Eagle”.

(WE is applied to eagles that are so full of shit that they can’t fly.)

304049 ▶▶▶ Tim Bidie, replying to PastImperfect, 2, #185 of 1806 🔗

It should have been ‘The Eagle That Cannot Even Walk’!

304085 ▶▶▶ PastImperfect, replying to PastImperfect, 5, #186 of 1806 🔗


304147 ▶▶▶ thinkaboutit, replying to PastImperfect, #187 of 1806 🔗

That’s even better than Fat Pang for Patten.

304342 ▶▶ Jamie, replying to Tim Bidie, #188 of 1806 🔗

At least Corbyn voted against the second lockdown …

304346 ▶▶▶ Jamie, replying to Jamie, #189 of 1806 🔗

And the Iraq war

305330 ▶▶▶ Borisbullshit, replying to Jamie, #190 of 1806 🔗

Thats true…I am not too sure what his reasoning was but a vote against is a vote against.

304345 ▶▶ kf99, replying to Tim Bidie, 2, #191 of 1806 🔗

It’s remarkable to look at the ONS data
1970 55.6M
1980 56.3M
1990 57.2M
2000 58.9M
2010 62.8M
2020 67.2M

Growing up in th 80s, the 56M figure was a typical quiz question and well known because it was so stable.

304490 ▶▶▶ Crystal Decanter, replying to kf99, 5, #192 of 1806 🔗

add at least 10% to any official figure quoted
I would wager the UK population is closer to 90 Million
They wouldn’t be trying to implement Halal on the downlow if it wern’t

304039 mhcp, replying to mhcp, 10, #193 of 1806 🔗

So the thing that I and others pointed out many months ago, that the way Covid was attributed was vague due to policy change and wide symptom ranges, coupled with clear confirmation bias took LS 6 months or so to work out.

And the government not.

This same data is then fed into models and was fed into the original Ferguson model and other simple ones providing stupidly overblown projections and damage.

All of which could have been prevented if theoretical people had listened to the practical people.

It’s very simple: make sure you measuring the thing you say you are measuring.

Frankly in any job I’ve worked on this would have got my fired and most likely charged.

So as we have said all along THERE IS NO CRISIS.

304055 ▶▶ annie, replying to mhcp, 11, #194 of 1806 🔗

Not a Covid crisis, no.
A totalitarian oppression crisis.
Every lie helps them.
Evert bit of truth helps us.

304043 NY, replying to NY, 14, #195 of 1806 🔗

About ready to call it quits. Don’t care anymore, lost everything, and this world is raving mad. Fuck it.

304045 ▶▶ Winston Smith, replying to NY, 2, #196 of 1806 🔗

What are you going to do?

304070 ▶▶▶ Eliza P., replying to Winston Smith, 17, #197 of 1806 🔗

I think that’s obvious – unfortunately. I know there’s probably a lot of us considering our options (as the phrase goes) and that have got some stage we will not go beyond. I am certainly thinking that “I can give this Bloody Lockdown only so long to go away and life to get back to Normal – and, if it still hasn’t done so, then I can’t shift my Society, but I can/might shift myself (ie right out the door in the direction of Heaven via suicide)”. The Government can continue to deny me my rightful life I should be living – but they can’t make me stay on Earth and put up with it and I reserve the right to leave and will seriously weigh up whether to “stay here waiting for Normal Life to resume” or give it up as a bad job and leave. So – yep – I think that’s what he/she means – and I can fully understand and sympathise.

304115 ▶▶▶▶ Richard O, replying to Eliza P., 9, #198 of 1806 🔗

Many of us are circling this drain. Death is something I have devoted a lot more of my time to this year than I was expecting. I have little invested here but will stick around as long as I can, if nothing else to fuck off the assholes who want this new bullshit world.

And I’m still convinced that the truth will prevail here, but accept that I may well not live to witness this.

304118 ▶▶▶▶ Winston Smith, replying to Eliza P., 8, #199 of 1806 🔗

I don’t think it is obvious Eliza.

There’s a whole raft choices.

1. Dismantle their business and claim benefits.
2. Stop visiting this site and watch BBC news.
3. Commit suicide.
4. Turn violent in Tesco.
5. Commit a terrorist crime to get rid Boris.
6. Start a new political party.
7. Organise a demonstration.
8. Live their life according to the teachings of Alistair Crowley.

Need I go on?

304386 ▶▶▶▶ JanMasarykMunich, replying to Eliza P., 2, #200 of 1806 🔗

Yes, I can fully understand and sympathise too. But stay strong, resist, don’t let the bastards win.

305310 ▶▶▶▶ Ben, replying to Eliza P., #201 of 1806 🔗

This is the essence of it, as you say. The Government is denying us the right to live our lives

304053 ▶▶ annie, replying to NY, 13, #202 of 1806 🔗

You can’t call it quits. You can’t become a zombie. You know the truth.

304072 ▶▶ Steve Martindale, replying to NY, 23, #203 of 1806 🔗

The world has not gone mad, a significant proportion of the humans are having one of their periodic psychotic episodes but the Ravens and the Buzzards soaring over the local woods have not gone mad at all. The sparrowhawk shooting through our garden and taking down pigeons has not gone mad and this death does not bother the other pigeons, they have had a good year and their numbers are well up. It has been a close contact with the natural world that has helped me keep all this in context especially when it all seems very bleek.

304083 ▶▶▶ steve_w, replying to Steve Martindale, 15, #204 of 1806 🔗

I wholeheartedly agree. I live in the countryside and not much has changed. All the things that make city living good have gone. Everything that makes countryside living good is still here

305526 ▶▶▶ annie, replying to Steve Martindale, #205 of 1806 🔗

Me too. Seagulls, waves, horses, rooks, rain, manure, dogs, robins .. Nature is sane. Only Zombie is vile, and Zombie lives in ratholes in cities.

304807 ▶▶ richard riewer, replying to NY, 1, #206 of 1806 🔗

Go live with people who have not been tainted by all this bullshit. Find some support groups.

304047 Tim Bidie, replying to Tim Bidie, 4, #207 of 1806 🔗

But let’s look on the bright side…..trials may very well confirm that BCG vaccination provides protection against viral respiratory infections.

‘Between May 11 and June 18, 2020, 6,201 healthcare workers gave blood samples and answered questions about their medical history, including whether they had received BCG and vaccines against two other bacterial infections and influenza.’

‘“We were interested in studying the BCG vaccine because it has long been known to have a general protective effect against a range of bacterial and viral diseases other than TB, including neonatal sepsis and respiratory infections,” says co-senior author Dr. Moshe Arditi, director of the Pediatric and Infectious Diseases and Immunology Division at Cedars-Sinai.’

‘these results indicate that a history of BCG vaccination confers a nonspecific protective effect against infection with SARS-CoV-2 and decreases the presence of self-reported COVID-19 symptoms.’


304062 ▶▶ Steve Martindale, replying to Tim Bidie, 4, #208 of 1806 🔗

BCG vaccinations were introduced in 1953 and so I guess many people in their mid to late 70s will have had BCG but people over 80 much less likely. I think it was phased out as a routine treatment in 2005 and so only targeted people under 30 will have had BCG. Just sets me wondering whether the Covid vaccines will interfere with this BCG immunity? The human immune system is complex, delicate and finely balanced I do wonder how much vaccine interventions our immunity systems can reasonably take?

304084 ▶▶▶ Ellis Bell, replying to Steve Martindale, 1, #209 of 1806 🔗

Having had TB (twice) due to not being inoculated as a teen, I can tell you that BCG has a life of 14 years. Hence teens being previously given it to take them up to the age of 30.

I have 3 children who were all given BCG when they were babies (as I had TB when pregnant with my first). They needed another jab in their teens.

My point is, BCG coverage wanes with age.

304126 ▶▶▶▶ SweetBabyCheeses, replying to Ellis Bell, 1, #210 of 1806 🔗

Sort of. BCG inoculation is also not very effective in adults so 14 years old is about the oldest that it’s worth giving it to someone anyway. Lots of vaccines benefit from a “booster”, but it is still very much an individual response. Hence why it’s usually preceded a week before by that little antibody test on your wrist to see if you needed it or not.

304418 ▶▶ Mutineer, replying to Tim Bidie, 1, #211 of 1806 🔗

I had a terrible reaction to a BCG jab I was forced to have at work (NHS) and it ruined my heath forever, I had to retire. As for protection against viral illnesses, I had the vaccination around 2000 and nearly died from pneumonia in 2004. My health was permanently damaged and I was told at the time that the BCG jab can have serious implications as it can send the immune system into overdrive. I had terrible urticaria and couldn’t even wear shoes, jewellery and my lips split and I ended up being unable to swallow. Then I got auto immune diseases and other issues, including cancer.

304484 ▶▶▶ Crystal Decanter, replying to Mutineer, #212 of 1806 🔗

I ended up in hospital as a teen after the BCG jab
Hopefully this gets me out of the Frankenjab

304051 Janette, replying to Janette, 25, #213 of 1806 🔗

I see the Government are spending £12bn of taxpayers money on vaccines. What an absolute disgrace. I must remind everyone there is a 1 in 300000 chance of a healthy person under 70 year old catching Covid and dying. There is absolutely no need for a vaccine!

304177 ▶▶ Ovis, replying to Janette, 1, #214 of 1806 🔗

Having spent the money, they will need to use them.

305000 ▶▶ Ben, replying to Janette, 1, #215 of 1806 🔗

Pharma shareholders want feeding

304054 NorthumbrianNomad, 6, #216 of 1806 🔗

Very good and welcome demonstration by musicians and theatre performers in France.


304057 Margaret, replying to Margaret, 21, #217 of 1806 🔗

Hugh has posted below that he hopes to see a Nuremberg Mark 2 take place after this.
Whom would we like to see on the “Judging Panel”?

There are so many from which to choose.
Anders Tegnell? Alan Jones from Sky News Australia? Peter Hitchens? Dr John Lee? Professor Carl Heneghan? Dr Mike Yeadon? Certainly Lord Sumption as chief judge. Sunetra Gupta? Dr Claire Craig? Professor Allyson Pollock? I might even let Julia Hartley-Brewer sit at the very end of the bench (if she didn’t mention the vaccine) for the excellent job she has done in making politicians look stupid.

I couldn’t fit on here all the evil ones who should be in the dock at this trial, but I do think there should be a special dock built for Matt Hancock, at least two metres away from the rest of them. He so deserves it.

Now who is going to volunteer as chief executioner?

Stand back, I’m first.

304066 ▶▶ Biker, replying to Margaret, 14, #218 of 1806 🔗

Hugh must be dreaming, these fuckers will be given Peerage’s and be living it up in the House Of Lords until their nose falls out the trough for their service to keeping us all safe.

304093 ▶▶▶ Margaret, replying to Biker, 3, #219 of 1806 🔗

I’m afraid you’re right Biker. It’s more than disgraceful-rewards for bad behaviour.

304111 ▶▶▶ Basileus, replying to Biker, #220 of 1806 🔗

‘You see things as they are and ask ‘Why?’, I dream of things as they might be and ask ‘Why not?”

George Bernard Shaw

304061 steve_w, replying to steve_w, 4, #221 of 1806 🔗

Does anybody know the chain of command that sent infected people into care homes?

Health Secretary?
Civil Service?

Has this been investigated at all?

“In 1346, the bodies of Mongol warriors of the Golden Horde who had died of plague were thrown over the walls of the besieged Crimean city of Kaffa.”

305528 ▶▶▶ annie, replying to Basileus, #223 of 1806 🔗

The Fascists buried that report very effectively.But it still exists and will be used at their trial.

304064 Biker, replying to Biker, 49, #224 of 1806 🔗

Is anyone following this bollocks? I’m at the studio or garage every day where loads of us meet and do what we do, i’m in and out of all my friends houses, i don’t wear a mask, i’m still doing everything normal people do. These lockdown people need to fuck right off. I’ll be having my very elderly parents round for Christmas just like they’ve been coming round whenever they want all through is nonsense.
When are these clowns in charge gonna get it thru their thick fucking skulls lockdowns don’t work, we don’t want their Davos new world order and we don’t believe they are saving anyones life?
That Labour cunt is really annoying me with his self-righteousness, If it were to come out he was friends with grooming gangs and had a history of living in Leeds under an assumed name it wouldn’t surprise me.

304071 ▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to Biker, 18, #225 of 1806 🔗

That Labour cunt is really annoying me with his self-righteousness, If it were to come out he was friends with grooming gangs and had a history of living in Leeds under an assumed name it wouldn’t surprise me.

Therein lies the rub, he was crying crocodile tears on Twitter over the loss of jobs but its glad to see people calling him out on his hypocrisy and reminding him that he wanted a harder lockdown similar to France and Spain.

Labour never learn and having that man as leader who is as bad as the previous one shows that they have a death wish.

304098 ▶▶▶ Biker, replying to Bart Simpson, 9, #226 of 1806 🔗

Anyone with socialist tendencies is a total fucking moron and needs to be self-righteous because their beliefs are so stupid that when forced to defend them they can’t.

304102 ▶▶▶▶ Basileus, replying to Biker, 6, #227 of 1806 🔗

Socialism is slavery for people who are bad at maths.

304116 ▶▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to Biker, 4, #228 of 1806 🔗

Well said and I think deep down they know that they haven’t got a leg to stand on. I used to challenge my mother-in-law to think of policies that don’t involve “taxing the rich,” she could never always answer that.

304180 ▶▶▶▶▶ Biker, replying to Bart Simpson, 9, #229 of 1806 🔗

Socialists don’t understand that the consumer always pays the tax. If they tax a company more, they pass the rise on to the consumer. It’s so simple that i can’t comprehend how they don’t know it. My answer is they pretend to like people but they actually hate them and themselves and when they see independent conservative minded people doing their own thing, supporting themselves etc they hate it. They are always moaning and blaming others for their own failures. I could have lived my life off my family no problem at all but i wouldn’t take a single penny from any of them. I made my own way in life, like my daddy and his daddy before him. We can look each other in the eye knowing we did it ourselves. Socialists imagine that someone i’m meant to help them out and always go one about what about people who can’t help themselves proving once and for all all they care about is virtue signalling. I’ll help out other people if i feel i can without causing them to lose face but i won’t just help some fucker who just wants me to.

304224 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to Biker, 2, #230 of 1806 🔗

As Mr Bart says its in their interest to keep people poor and discourage any aspiration. And woe betide and if you’re an ethnic minority (like me) who thinks for themselves and not parrot the narrative the left have created.

305472 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Cristi.Neagu, replying to Bart Simpson, #231 of 1806 🔗

Reminds me of an interesting saying about the Democrat and Republican parties in the US. People say that the Democrat party is the party of the poor and the Republican party is the party of the rich. Well then, surely the Democrats want as many poor people as possible so they have a large voter base, and the Republicans want as many rich people as possible.

304229 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Waldorf, replying to Biker, 7, #232 of 1806 🔗

There will always be socialism, as a response to inequality, real or perceived. Bill Gates, a billionaire, calling for shutting down bars and restaurants for many months when he can very well afford such a step and is not affected by it is a good example of the “let them eat cake” attitude that actually encourages socialism and perhaps revolutions.

305466 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Cristi.Neagu, replying to Biker, #233 of 1806 🔗

That’s what i keep telling people who want a tax on carbon emissions. They don’t seem to understand that companies pass all expenses onto customers as part of the price. They somehow think that companies will voluntarily take a massive hit to their income just to keep prices the same.

304068 Mr Dee, replying to Mr Dee, 13, #234 of 1806 🔗

Why they seek to muzzle and divide us:

We talked the matter over and could have settled the war in thirty minutes had it been left to us .”

– Unknown Confederate Soldier referencing a meeting he had with a Union soldier between the lines.

304090 ▶▶ Waldorf, replying to Mr Dee, 6, #235 of 1806 🔗

Generally true in wars, which is precisely why the Christmas truces of 1914 were considered threatening by high commands and repetitions in WW1 were discouraged. Soldiers freely fraternising can be a sign of military collapse – Russian troops fraternising with German or Austro-Hungarian troops in 1917 was one symptom of the Russian army falling apart although the other armies were not too steady either.

304811 ▶▶ Silke David, replying to Mr Dee, #236 of 1806 🔗

We had to read “no news from the Western Front” as part of our curriculum.
I found it very upsetting, but therefor would recommend it to anyone.

My favourite part was, where a soldier says: Instead of sending us into the fields, the politicians should meet here and have a boxing match .

304868 ▶▶▶ richard riewer, replying to Silke David, #237 of 1806 🔗

‘All Quiet on the Western Front’.

305533 ▶▶▶▶ annie, replying to richard riewer, #238 of 1806 🔗

Silke gave an accurate translation of the original title.

304075 Mike May, 10, #241 of 1806 🔗

Survey: do you support tighter lockdown restrictions?

Sure – but for other people, not for me |_|
No – I want puppies, kittens and babies to die. Also I’m a Nazi. And a Tory party supporter |_|

304076 Cristi.Neagu, replying to Cristi.Neagu, 3, #242 of 1806 🔗

Not sure if it’s been posted here yet, but here are the results of the “no restrictions for refusing vaccine” petition debate:
Video: https://youtu.be/6juJ_nd73Tw
Transcript: https://hansard.parliament.uk/Commons/2020-12-14/debates/782DBCA8-620D-473C-A8CB-CCB9C0F78DF5/Covid-19Vaccination

304088 ▶▶ Cristi.Neagu, replying to Cristi.Neagu, 4, #243 of 1806 🔗

I see no one critical of the vaccine offered any input. I see a lot of circle-jerking (yes, that word again, simply because it’s such a good description – see how Alex Baker decided to use his time at 6:46 in the transcript). And even though the petition said “prevent any restrictions on those who refuse a Covid-19 vaccination”, parliament decided that this only applies to them, and as such some applauded eventual restrictions placed by private businesses, like Quantas did just a little while ago.

Conclusion: Government will probably not force anyone to take the vaccine (yet). Probably because they know that they won’t even be able to vaccinate those at risk. But they seem more than willing to outsource this to the private sector, meaning that they are condoning discrimination.

304247 ▶▶▶ OpenYourEyes, replying to Cristi.Neagu, 1, #244 of 1806 🔗

IMHO the petition was the wrong one. Getting there to be option for anonymous vaccination would have been an irreversible win on this, one that would prevent a U-turn. Nonetheless, congrats to those who petitioned and protested to get this done.

304081 Ferd III, replying to Ferd III, 21, #245 of 1806 🔗

Real unemployment is much higher than 5%. Gov’t is paying the salaries in part of 8-10 million with either debt, taxes or printed plastic. This runs out in March. Then what? There are roughly 24 million private sector workers in the UK. Since when is welfare for 8 mn declared not to be a form of unemployment? If the supports were lifted tomorrow what would happen to the unemployment rate?

The gov’t issued unemployment number is a chimera and another eg of data fraud. Just like the made up CV 19 dead and tests.

304131 ▶▶ vargas99, replying to Ferd III, 1, #246 of 1806 🔗

You are bang on Ferd. The shit will hit the fan on this by mid April

304137 ▶▶▶ Mark II, replying to vargas99, 6, #247 of 1806 🔗

Thought that in October tho didn’t we and rishi just found another magic money tree to pretend it all away. What’s to say he won’t discover another one and another, until eventually money has either lost all meaning or us plebs are consigned to a life of mental tax rates to pay for their mess.

304240 ▶▶▶ Waldorf, replying to vargas99, 1, #248 of 1806 🔗

IMO lockdown scepticism and real social discontent will take off in the spring, probably coinciding with the virus – whatever it is – tailing off, probably in a way too obvious for even the MSM to hide.

304268 ▶▶ Templeton, replying to Ferd III, 2, #249 of 1806 🔗

I had read that unemployment figures are only counted as people that are actively seeking new work? Figures are not based on actual redundancies, job losses etc?
So yes I would agree the rate is far, far higher.

304591 ▶▶▶ Spikedee1, replying to Templeton, #250 of 1806 🔗

Yes and they are not counting those who are getting furlough even though the place where they work no longer has a job for them. This runs out in March? Probably add another million. I love the fact that the MSM and BBC are shocked by these numbers!

304087 PatrickF, replying to PatrickF, 9, #251 of 1806 🔗

Looking forward to your work’s Xmas do? Standing on a pavement, in your 2 metre virus space, with your mince pie and cold mulled wine, clutching your mistletoe, cos you hoped to get a kiss from the hottie in Accounts this year, while you wear your everso funny secret Santa pressie: a tinsel and glitter face nappy.

304119 ▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to PatrickF, 9, #252 of 1806 🔗

Nope. Would rather eat a light bulb than attend a work do especially if its on Zoom.

304201 ▶▶▶ GiftWrappedKittyCat, replying to Bart Simpson, 7, #253 of 1806 🔗

Me too. If I can’t do things ‘normally’ then I refuse to participate at all.

304217 ▶▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to GiftWrappedKittyCat, 4, #254 of 1806 🔗

And given how many work colleagues have exposed their not so good sides to me, I don’t think I can put up with them outside a work environment.

304176 ▶▶ Mr Dee, replying to PatrickF, 8, #255 of 1806 🔗

In my wife’s office, they put up decorations at the beginning of the month to cheer things up. One of the bosses stormed in and got them to take everything down again because, you know, Covid. The same person has organised a Christmas buffet this afternoon mixing two departments in one office space, where it will be impossible to maintain social distancing.

304254 ▶▶ Ewan Duffy, replying to PatrickF, 6, #256 of 1806 🔗

“cos you hoped to get a kiss from the hottie in Accounts this year,”

In my 24 years working as an accountant, I’ve yet to meet these hotties that everyone talks about 😉

304370 ▶▶▶ kf99, replying to Ewan Duffy, 1, #257 of 1806 🔗

I’ve come to hate the modern ‘do’ consisting of a tame trip to a restaurant (thankfully off this year). In the 90s it was a car boot full of food and drink delivered on the last day and consumed in the office from lunchtime onwards. The latter is perfectly allowable as far as I can see – a work meeting

304349 ▶▶ Miss Owl, replying to PatrickF, 1, #258 of 1806 🔗

Standing on a pavement? Right where people have opened all their windows to let the covids out? That mistletoe ain’t gonna protect you.

304089 Margaret, replying to Margaret, 8, #259 of 1806 🔗

I’ve just been on the gov.U.K. Covid website. There is a section where you can type in your postcode and it gives you the number of positive tests in your area.
They can’t even spell the name of the area correctly. Why should I trust their numbers therefore? Unbelievable!

304123 ▶▶ thedarkhorse, replying to Margaret, #260 of 1806 🔗

I looked there. Is it the one with a map on one side and postcode input on the other? if so, I think the site is bust. It shows every region I tried with less than 3 cases.

304129 ▶▶▶ Cristi.Neagu, replying to thedarkhorse, 1, #261 of 1806 🔗

Maybe it’s telling the truth…?

304142 ▶▶▶▶ thedarkhorse, replying to Cristi.Neagu, 1, #262 of 1806 🔗

Well yes, I realise that. I looked at London and some of the other so-called heavily infected areas…..random selection….all less than 3.

304170 ▶▶▶ Margaret, replying to thedarkhorse, #263 of 1806 🔗

It’s the PHE website which takes you to a section which tracks “cases”. It seems to be working as the numbers are reducing in my local area on a daily basis.

304820 ▶▶▶ Silke David, replying to thedarkhorse, #264 of 1806 🔗

In my area it jumped from around 20 for 3 days to 41.
I wonder who these idiots are!!

304101 Paulus, replying to Paulus, 14, #265 of 1806 🔗

I have seen a number of comments in the forums that show the impact being the lone voice in the wilderness has on the mental health and wellbeing of all of us that see the truth. We already know the incidence of mental health issues and suicides has increased and this will continue to rise so it is important that we take care of each other as it is clear it becomes overwhelming at times. Would it be worth the site having a link for mental health support services as a standing item alongside the obvious support from members?

304113 ▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to Paulus, 7, #266 of 1806 🔗

This is a good idea although I’m cynical of the likes of the Samaritans who have exposed themselves to be the mouthpiece of the State’s destructive policies.

304121 ▶▶▶ Charlie Blue, replying to Bart Simpson, 4, #267 of 1806 🔗

I can’t find a way to excuse Samaritans’ collusion, but I don’t think it makes the support offered by their volunteers less valuable to anyone in crisis.

304143 ▶▶ SweetBabyCheeses, replying to Paulus, 8, #268 of 1806 🔗

Bearing in mind how much harder it is to get treated by the NHS for anything other than covid these days, I can attest first hand that mental health services have been completely decimated. It’s gone from a poor and patchy service to largely non-existent.

What would really make me feel better would be to engage in person with other lockdown skeptics. I don’t know how we could organise local meet-ups though without potentially falling foul of cultists?

What would be good would be a way of sending private messages to each other on here, which might allow local communities to grow. Is that possible?

304318 ▶▶▶ judymilne, replying to SweetBabyCheeses, #269 of 1806 🔗

Excellent idea. But don’t know how to go about it.

304397 ▶▶▶▶ Jez Hewitt, replying to judymilne, #270 of 1806 🔗

I think it one can private message via the forums. I’ll give it a try and message you.

304398 ▶▶▶▶▶ Jez Hewitt, replying to Jez Hewitt, #271 of 1806 🔗

Judy, go to forums, hit the envelope icon and see if there’s a message from me.

304873 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ judymilne, replying to Jez Hewitt, #272 of 1806 🔗

Thank you. Went to forums and onto site en.m.wilipedia.org. Found several envelope icons but nothing. Probably me, I’m a bit computer illerate

304480 ▶▶ Marialta, replying to Paulus, #273 of 1806 🔗

As I said earlier for me the best way to stay sane is to get out and become an activist. Find your local groups of sceptics – better than staying in and phoning a help line.

304103 alw, replying to alw, 17, #274 of 1806 🔗

This from a friend.

”I’m so angry and depressed and so so sorry for the whole innocent hospitality sector.
I’m heartbroken it now looks like I won’t even be able to see my family in Bristol over Xmas after all
I hate hate hate this government”.

304114 ▶▶ annie, replying to alw, 10, #275 of 1806 🔗

What’s stopping her seeing her family?

304122 ▶▶▶ Cristi.Neagu, replying to annie, #276 of 1806 🔗

It’s in Wales. They probably will arrest her if she’s from England.

304150 ▶▶▶▶ Mark II, replying to Cristi.Neagu, 14, #277 of 1806 🔗

This is the real reason most people back away from it, fear of getting caught and/or fines. I have sceptical friends who won’t come over for dinner because, understandably, they don’t want a whopping great fine for having dinner. As always it breaks along wealth lines, got a nice big house with a driveway and secluded entrance? People can show up and you’ve no neighbours to know and snitch. Live in a fla, terrace or semi with no driveway? Loads of neighbours to worry about behaving like cunts and grassing you up.

304271 ▶▶▶▶▶ Thomas_E, replying to Mark II, 5, #278 of 1806 🔗

Yes..because we now live in E Germany circa 1976. Fuck this government to what I has done to this nation, they deserve to be shot, all of them!! P.S. In the gut, so it’s not over too quickly, that would be a mercy they do not deserve.

305023 ▶▶▶▶ Ben, replying to Cristi.Neagu, 2, #279 of 1806 🔗

Drakeford should stand trial for Crimes against Humanity

305539 ▶▶▶▶▶ annie, replying to Ben, #280 of 1806 🔗

I look to the day. The man is a psychopath.

304183 ▶▶▶ alw, replying to annie, 2, #281 of 1806 🔗

The family home is small and cannot accommodate extra staying overnight. Hotels refusing to provide food. Disgrace.

304125 ▶▶ bluemoon, replying to alw, 9, #282 of 1806 🔗

I’m sorry, but there’s far too much of this ‘poor little me I can’t etc etc’ stuff going on. If your friend wants to see her family, and they want to see her, then she should just go and see them.

304134 ▶▶▶ Charlie Blue, replying to bluemoon, 13, #283 of 1806 🔗

I try not to waste energy feeling sorry for myself but I’m sure I am not the only one who lacks any family or friends who are remotely sceptical. Unfortunately having social contact isn’t a unilateral decision.

304472 ▶▶▶▶ Marialta, replying to Charlie Blue, 2, #284 of 1806 🔗

Find some new sceptical friends by searching your local Keep Britain Free or Save Our Rights group and move on from the compliant ones. I’ve learnt the hard way but now I’ve made the effort to meet new sceptic people life is so much better.

304138 ▶▶ Stephanos, replying to alw, 15, #285 of 1806 🔗

I think I may have posted this before, but I will do so again. When there is talk of the hospitality sector, people think of pubs and restaurants, There is another part to the hospitality sector consisting of conference centres; and conferences themselves. Every year I organise a conference for my Greek, Hebrew and Theological students; an event appreciated by all attendees. Our last was in February and I have moved the next one from May 2021 to October 2021. No one knows what the conditions will be then but the venue was able to tell me how conferences were organised in October – they are now closed until April 1. These are the conditions:

  1. Masks face nappies must be worn
  2. Anti-social distancing must be observed
  3. Breakfast, lunch and dinner is served in individually wrapped packets
  4. The staff must wear full PPE
  5. For morning coffee and afternoon tea tables are set out and allocated specifically for one’s own ‘conference’. No mixing between different ‘conferences’.

All of the fun has been removed. Who would want to attend under such conditions? Probably one goes once and never again, it is no longer enjoyable.
Two conferences that I wished to attend next year are no longer run as normal. The twelfth International Colloquium on New Testament Textual Criticism is now online only. I will attend but it is not the same at all. The Symposium Syriacum (it happens very four years) is now postponed to 2022, having been postponed from 2020.
I am acutely aware that these problems and difficulties that I face are as nothing to those of other people, but this means yet more businesses are being wilfully destroyed by this corrupt, evil and satanic government.
It is not too much to say that the whole of Western civilisation is under attack.

304213 ▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to Stephanos, 6, #286 of 1806 🔗

My friend works for one of the biggest eventsvenues in London. Initially their management thought they could ride out the storm but once the two largest events in the autumn were cancelled – the Travel & Tourism fair and the Christmas show, that was the last straw for them.

My friend was forced on a reduced hours contract and it was so bad that staff were not even given the option of voluntary redundancy but rather went straight to compulsory ones.

You can bet its the same with venues up and down the country.

304347 ▶▶▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to Bart Simpson, 2, #287 of 1806 🔗

Quite. As this shitshow looks like continuing throughout 2021, some memberships that proved pointless in 2020 will be cancelled in January:

National Trust

Cadw (Welsh equivalent of English Heritage)


No point in even being a member.

304360 ▶▶▶▶▶ Gill, replying to Nick Rose, 4, #288 of 1806 🔗

I didn’t renew my National Trust membership during the first lockdown this year. Couldn’t see the point of having it and can’t stand all the crap they’ve been coming out with recently.

305552 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ annie, replying to Gill, #289 of 1806 🔗

They will not see my money ever again, with their locked and chained car parks and their one-way systems and their bloody wokeness.

305710 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Llamasaurus Rex, replying to Gill, #290 of 1806 🔗

I killed my membership once their woke crap came to light. Tossers

304668 ▶▶▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to Nick Rose, #291 of 1806 🔗

I’ve already cancelled my National Gallery one – its rather pointless.

And thank the Lord we never pushed through with the National Trust, there’s no point to them now.

305549 ▶▶▶ annie, replying to Stephanos, #292 of 1806 🔗

Stephanos, you are part of Western civilisation and you are under attack, but you are fighting back.

304209 ▶▶ TheBluePill, replying to alw, 19, #293 of 1806 🔗

I have realised that I am actually grieving for my old life and what has been stolen from us all. I think I am near the end of the process. My focus is now on reconstruction and punishing the purpetrators to set a strong deterrent.

305079 ▶▶▶ richard riewer, replying to TheBluePill, 1, #294 of 1806 🔗

The Purple Traitors.

305554 ▶▶▶ annie, replying to TheBluePill, #295 of 1806 🔗

That’s the spirit.

304210 ▶▶ GiftWrappedKittyCat, replying to alw, 3, #296 of 1806 🔗

This kind of crap annoys the hell out of me. If you want to see your family then just do so. Why can’t people bloody well wake up and see that if they stop complying with this shit then it’s over. They are imprisoning themselves.

304107 Barney McGrew, replying to Barney McGrew, 14, #297 of 1806 🔗

One phenomenon I think we are observing is the constant shrinking of the ‘window of acceptable uncertainty’. Back in March, before this began, if someone had said that it looks likely that, in fact, up to 50% of the population may have some resistance to this virus after all, there would have been loud exhalations of relief – things are not as dire as we thought; the epidemic will be much less severe than originally predicted; we don’t need to trash the economy. If you had then suggested that there would be a vaccine with ‘95% effectiveness’ and that 80% of the population were happy to take it, it would have been game over – thank goodness, we can definitely go back to normal.

But as time has gone on, every time some good news has come out about the virus, the window of acceptable uncertainty has shrunk to evade it. So we are now in the situation where even if 100% of the population took the vaccine, there would still be calls for constant social distancing, testing, masks and so on because of that damn 5% lack of ‘effectiveness’, and the unsubstantiated speculations about efficacy wearing off over time and so on.

I don’t even think this is a result of sinister plotting by the government’s psychologists. It is just human nature – and was yet another reason not to open Pandora’s box back in March.

304124 ▶▶ Barney McGrew, replying to Barney McGrew, 11, #298 of 1806 🔗

To the person people who just downvoted: I don’t think you understand what I am saying. I am not saying that I love the vaccine or that it works or anything like that. I am saying that to the ignorant public, even if they believe the myth of the vaccine, their natural inclination is to then shift their expectations such that they focus on the small proportion of people who aren’t vaccinated, and the small chance that remains of their personally catching the virus.

If the vaccine was promoted as 99.999% effective and the public believed that, and everyone took it, that would still leave a 0.00000001% chance of catching the virus from someone you passed in the street (I just made up the number of zeroes). So there would still be calls for masks and social distancing – forever.

304205 ▶▶▶ Waldorf, replying to Barney McGrew, 1, #299 of 1806 🔗

My two cents – ignore downvoters. You don’t know who they are unless they advertise themselves, and there are people who would have downvoted the Ten Commandments or the Sermon on the Mount if they had the opportunity.

304275 ▶▶▶▶ Ewan Duffy, replying to Waldorf, 1, #300 of 1806 🔗

Given the systemic abuse carried out in the last two millennia in the name of Christianity, downvoting would have been a good start.

304773 ▶▶▶▶ Aslangeo, replying to Waldorf, 1, #301 of 1806 🔗

Also it is easy to accidentally downvote somebody if you are reading on an iPad or tablet, less so on a PC.

The voting button can be a bit fiddly on a touch screen

305018 ▶▶ Ben, replying to Barney McGrew, #302 of 1806 🔗

Valid question – is the vaccine safe?

305366 ▶▶▶ Barney McGrew, replying to Ben, #303 of 1806 🔗

No vaccine is perfectly safe. The question should be what the balance of risks versus benefits are. For me, the whole Covid ‘pandemic’ is a charade; a pantomime. None of us can be sure that the virus is even more dangerous than flu because the stats have been twisted from day one to fit a sensational narrative – including the modelled stats. Yet on that basis, the world has rushed through a brand new vaccine technology (mRNA) and seeks to vaccinate the entire world with it. Only a few of us seem actually able to perceive that there’s an issue. It’s just weird, head-spinning stuff.

304108 Bart Simpson, replying to Bart Simpson, 15, #304 of 1806 🔗

Today’s update chimed with me as I am one of those who could possibly be added to the unemployment statistics next month. I submitted my self-assessment two days ago and this will play a part in the decision making process of whether I will say or go.

What has angered me even more was after the announcement that we have to close again was a colleague whining “if only people followed the rules.” For God’s sake, is she that blind and stupid? Lockdowns haven’t worked, ditto social distancing and masks, what more does she want?

The past few months have been trying to say the least and have vindicated my cynicism of other people as I see their ugliness with my own eyes and confirms the suspicions I had of others.

Perversely, I’m hoping that the government cancels Christmas because it will weaken their grounds on imposing Lockdown 3: The Sequel to the Sequel on us. Add in more redundancies and bankruptcies after the New Year, there will be hell to pay.

304127 ▶▶ Cristi.Neagu, replying to Bart Simpson, 7, #305 of 1806 🔗

Don’t remind me of my self assessment. I’ve been out of a contract since the end of September. After my contract was cancelled I did decide to stop contracting because of the constant abuse by HMRC. It’s worse than the mob, i swear. Come April next year, IR35 wants contractors to pay just like regular employees but with 0 employee rights.

304148 ▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to Cristi.Neagu, 7, #306 of 1806 🔗

As I keep telling people even those who are asleep – this should never had happened. It’s not the virus that has caused all this but the lockdown and restrictions.

304227 ▶▶ GiftWrappedKittyCat, replying to Bart Simpson, 5, #307 of 1806 🔗

From what I see the majority have followed ‘the rules’ but it’s obvious that they just don’t work to prevent the spread of a seasonal, airborne virus. It’s far easier to blame the likes of us than it is to accept reality. Although we all think the rules are complete nonsense, I doubt there’s any of us who would deliberately set out to infect others if we were showing symptoms or feeling unwell.

304267 ▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to GiftWrappedKittyCat, 2, #308 of 1806 🔗

Agree. It’s too much hard work to question the prevailing narrative and easier to blame others to the point of bullying and harassing them.

If the threat of redundancy isn’t waking them up yet, I don’t know what will. For the millienials I suspect its when mum & dad can’t bail them out and for those who should know better, it will be a raid on their pensions and savings.

304112 chaos, replying to chaos, 1, #309 of 1806 🔗

The usual suspects and some unusual ones.. Goldman Sachs and Ralph Lifshitz. Xiaomi and Nokia…

304296 ▶▶ Crystal Decanter, replying to chaos, #310 of 1806 🔗

Nokia were in bed with Microsoft for a while when they switched to the dogshite Windows phone
No surprises – however they own a lot of patents so could be an issue

304120 chaos, replying to chaos, 5, #311 of 1806 🔗

TalkRadio… groundhog day.. even Bill Murray didn’t suffer for this long..

304222 ▶▶ PoshPanic, replying to chaos, 7, #312 of 1806 🔗

I just listened to the Neil Oliver interview, thought that was a good one.

304610 ▶▶▶ Spikedee1, replying to PoshPanic, 2, #313 of 1806 🔗

What a well read and interesting guy Neil is. He speaks a lot of sense and does not need to scream and shout.

304128 chaos, replying to chaos, 5, #314 of 1806 🔗

Near 2% growth in China in 2020.

How does a great Greta reset work without China exactly?

Unlike Blowjob and Nut Nut, Jinping was and is a safe pair of hands. A leader who knows business.

304154 ▶▶ p02099003, replying to chaos, 6, #315 of 1806 🔗

2% driven almost entirely by manufacturing PPE to sell to the rest of the world

304204 ▶▶ richmond, replying to chaos, 1, #316 of 1806 🔗

Really? Have a look at China wanting land from Pakistan. They’re short of land to grow food on.

304416 ▶▶ Jez Hewitt, replying to chaos, 3, #317 of 1806 🔗

In that Sky Australia piece yesterday where they blatantly called this shit out for what it is, they showed Klaus practically tossing China’s salad. They’re at least giving the impression they’re on-board. Methinks they’re either looking to clean up economically whilst the fan is still spraying shit or militarily once the fan has stopped spinning and the rest of the Davos dicks are wondering why it didn’t all go quite to plan.

Irrespective, plenty of doggy doo to come, then once they’ve stopped laughing the cunts will eat the dogs.

305178 ▶▶ richard riewer, replying to chaos, #318 of 1806 🔗

Ping needs to get ponged.

304130 swedenborg, replying to swedenborg, 12, #319 of 1806 🔗

BBC/MSM is only interested in vaccines and no mentions of treatment. They have ignored Ivermectin and still declare HCQ useless. There are developments also as regard HCQ where there are more positive reports.News that Italy again approve treatment and also AMA the mainstream US doctors association now allow US physicians to use it.There are many trials  showing HCQ having effect especially in early treatment. Links below



304168 ▶▶ SilentP, replying to swedenborg, 1, #320 of 1806 🔗

Please also see my thread on inhaled interferon in the Medicines forum subsection.
Phase 3 trial now getting started in many UK sites and many countries.
Possible that some countries will give earlier emergency approval.

304203 ▶▶ PoshPanic, replying to swedenborg, 1, #321 of 1806 🔗

Yep, didn’t see a single headline in MSM on the Italian HCQ approval.

304132 Derek Toyne, replying to Derek Toyne, 3, #322 of 1806 🔗

Hello and good morning to everyone, last night I left a message saying that more than 99% of the population is covid free which is better than any vaccine at 95%. Try as I could I could not find it and are wondering is this site being monitored removing messages the government doesn’t want us to hear or is there a more reasonable explanation?

304145 ▶▶ Muzz Off, replying to Derek Toyne, 5, #323 of 1806 🔗

I have read countless variations of this argument in these comments, and it’s a terrible use of probability which I’m afraid makes you as dim and numerically illiterate as the lockdown zealots.

Say you have a disease which is going to kill 1% of people, and therefore 99% of people will survive. If you have a vaccine which is 90% effective, and everyone takes it, then the disease will kill 90% fewer people, thus it will now kill just 0.1% of people, and 99.9% will survive. You have to admit that’s a huge improvement. The efficacy percentage is not comparable to the fatality rate without vaccination, so it doesn’t matter if one is a lower nominal figure than the other.

That said I’m pretty sure this whole thing is a casedemic and has been for months, and that the numbers released by big pharma are more or less fabricated, and that we shouldn’t be wasting our money or risking on our health on such experimental vaccines for a non-existent disease, but please let’s stick to solid arguments, not gotcha soundbites that do not stand up to scrutiny in the slightest.

304165 ▶▶▶ Ferd III, replying to Muzz Off, 22, #324 of 1806 🔗

Not really. This is data fraud. This is why we in IT find the simplicio arguments of the experts so inane.

Population: 100
Survival rate: 97 (assume)
At risk: 3

If you vaxxd all 100 and 2 die, you claim 98% success. This is silly.
Who died? If 1 of the 3 really at risk, then your vaxx is a not a great success – 67% effective.

If 1 out of the other 97 – your vaxx may be poison to that genetic makeup – also a failure even though you will claim the 3 at risk survived. But did they survive from your poison or despite your poison?

You need to analyse those at risk and see what happens when they take the poison vs those who do not. You will NOT know the actual results until you have years of data – to be able to establish a statistically significant data set +/- 5% by looking at different groups, co-morbidities, ages, and reactions. Vaxx injuries can take months or years to manifest.

Pfizer did not do the above. They don’t provide raw data on those most at risk. There is no monitoring past 28 days.
Sticking a needle into someone like myself who would never die from CV 19 and declaring ‘success’ is asinine.

304258 ▶▶▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to Ferd III, 3, #325 of 1806 🔗

Well said.

304343 ▶▶▶▶ Muzz Off, replying to Ferd III, #326 of 1806 🔗

To be clear I don’t actually believe any of the numbers and understand how they can be easily manipulated. I’m just pointing out that hypothetically, if you do have a 95% effective vaccine, the fact that 99% of people survive the disease doesn’t make the vaccine somehow pointless. It’s an illogical comparison to say that just because 95 is a lower number than 99.

304422 ▶▶▶▶▶ Derek Toyne, replying to Muzz Off, #327 of 1806 🔗

Hello again if you saw my original message from yesterday you would see that I am not against vaccines for those who need them. My point is that over 99% of population without a vaccine is covid free. And that’s not because of lockdown it’s because many of us had prior immunity, many of us have been infected and recovered. This gives you herd immunity and is why Japan as suffered 17 deaths per million while the US and Belgium have had 800 and 1400 deaths per million.

304847 ▶▶▶▶ djaustin, replying to Ferd III, #328 of 1806 🔗

Why don’t you read the FDA review , rather than comment from ignorance?

They don’t provide raw data on those most at risk. There is no monitoring past 28 days.

Hard to construct a time to event analysis (Figure 2 of the above) if you don’t continue to follow patients – of course they did, and still are following them for long-term safety and efficacy.

Whilst prevention of death is a worthy goal, it is not the sole purpose of vaccination. Prevention of infections leading to hospitalisation is an important goal that follows from symptomatic infections.

304171 ▶▶▶ annie, replying to Muzz Off, 5, #329 of 1806 🔗

Thanks for the compliment. Really helps to foster solidarity among us.

304200 ▶▶▶▶ richmond, replying to annie, 2, #330 of 1806 🔗

My thoughts as well.

304207 ▶▶▶▶▶ JHuntz, replying to richmond, 4, #331 of 1806 🔗

It was a pretty crass response but it is nice to hear alternative points of view. I really suffer from confiirmation bias, however everything tells me this is insane.

304262 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to JHuntz, 5, #332 of 1806 🔗

At least you’re aware of the confirmation bias. We all have it to one degree or another. Remaining sceptical (not cynical, perhaps another of my faults) is healthy, and checking original sources, rather than saying “somebody claims that” is always good. Original documentation is best of all.

304196 ▶▶▶ PoshPanic, replying to Muzz Off, 1, #333 of 1806 🔗

We have no idea of the efficacy of this vaccine. Oh yeah, a press release and some figures released by the company themselves, without no results from independent bodies. But marketing would never lie.

304239 ▶▶▶ Derek Toyne, replying to Muzz Off, 3, #335 of 1806 🔗

Hello there thankyou for correcting my faulty thinking but my message was why was my message removed. Your correct to say we should stick to solid arguments but the lockdown zealots use faulty thinking all the time. Last night I heard Owen Jones say we needed lockdown to stop deaths. But as every scientist knows all you need is one example to disprove your theory and your theory is dead.
In the case of lockdown there’s many more examples than just Sweden to prove it doesn’t work. There’s Japan with no lockdown recording 17 deaths per million whereas the US and Belgium with lockdown is recording 800 and 1400 deaths per million. I believe the reason Japan as such a low death rate from covid is because of herd immunity and a diet high in vitamin D. Lastly again your right we should not use faulty thinking to prove our point but point out how lockdown zealots are using pseudo science to push their point.

304249 ▶▶▶▶ Nigel Sherratt, replying to Derek Toyne, 1, #336 of 1806 🔗

Ferd III is correct not Muzz Off.

304359 ▶▶▶▶▶ Muzz Off, replying to Nigel Sherratt, #337 of 1806 🔗

Ferd III was doubting the numbers released by Pfizer. I also state in my comment I don’t believe them. Nothing he said contradicted what I said. I was just stating the logical error in this gotcha soundbite argument that a 95% effective vaccine is pointless against a disease 99% of people survive. It results from shallow thinking trying to grasp at anything to attack the other side without critical examination, when we should be sticking to logic and reason which ARE on out side.

305376 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Derek Toyne, replying to Muzz Off, #338 of 1806 🔗

Hello Muzz Off I believe you misunderstood my earlier message. I see you think I meant 99% would survive from covid, when what I meant is that over 99% of the population is covid free without a vaccine. Where I live a city in the North there’s less than one in a thousand infected with covid. Yet we all behave as if we were all infected. Why ?

304248 ▶▶▶ Nigel Sherratt, replying to Muzz Off, 1, #339 of 1806 🔗

Define 90% effective (with plausible evidence).

304270 ▶▶▶ Kev, replying to Muzz Off, 2, #340 of 1806 🔗

That argument is only valid if you know or assume that 100% of the people are susceptible.

There is certainly evidence of innate resistance in a certain percentage of the population, but difficult to quantify. This could be a particularly robust immune system, existing T-Cell response, or the fact that the vast majority of under 50’s are just not at risk of even infection.

Giving a vaccine of unknown provenance (we only know what they told us was in it), of a type never before approved for humans (RNA), expedited on a ridiculously short timeline, to an entire population, seems at best a little reckless. If just 0.1% die from auto-immune or other responses, you would be killing around 65,000 people, some of whom, possibly a large percentage, who were at no risk from the disease.

Additionally, a point being ignored, is that the disease has followed the usual Gomperts curve and has already killed most of the people it will kill before the vaccine is available, so it cant save 90% of the 1%, because perhaps 95% of those are already dead before the vaccine is either available or administered.

304277 ▶▶▶ mhcp, replying to Muzz Off, #341 of 1806 🔗

Only if 0.1% is equivalent to other death rates. If 1% are dying every year from something else that you happily accept and this waxes and wanes with another 1% such that in general mortality is the same, why is one condition being cherrypicked?

Risk should be assessed systemically not individually.

304152 ▶▶ Danny, replying to Derek Toyne, 2, #342 of 1806 🔗

Good point on the comparison. Doubt very much that you have been censored though. Just take a look at some of the posts pretty much advocating civil unrest and violence. The thread has probably just been lost.

304198 ▶▶ richmond, replying to Derek Toyne, 2, #343 of 1806 🔗

I’ve just had a look. Is this your post from yesterday?

Your message is spot on, but here’s another fact everyone should know over 99% of the population are covid free. The best vaccine keeps 95% covid free so our own immunity is far better than any vaccine.So who needs a vaccine, after 70 our immunity begins declining and those whose immunity is impaired, in other words all those who have unfortunately died of covid. I believe due to our aged population and modern medicine keeping those with impaired immunity alive that is 20%. We already have herd immunity WHO state we need 60% vaccinated or through prior immunity or from natural infection.

I have sometimes thought that a post has been deleted, but it’s always turned out that the comments haven’t fully loaded. That’s all it is. Don’t worry!

304286 ▶▶▶ Derek Toyne, replying to richmond, 3, #344 of 1806 🔗

Thanks for reassuring me that my message was not removed. And yes this was my message. The point of my message was yes we need a vaccine for those who need it but not the vast majority. In other words we don’t need mass vaccination or vaccine passports. Children are vaccinated against childhood diseases but not adults, why because they immunity as not developed enough. So yes to vaccines but NO to mass vaccination.

304139 Danny, replying to Danny, 22, #345 of 1806 🔗

Sad to see how Christmas in recent years has become very much defined along class lines. A huge generalisation but educated, affluent middle classes of which our political elite are part of, especially Starmer and co, tend to be a little embarrassed by Christmas and find it all a little gauche. People in my circle will often declare how they hate it. So, that combined with an embrace of technology and not having a problem with seeing “grannie” over zoom, has led to a situation unimaginable just a few years ago, where they can debate “cancelling” Christmas, mainly because it is not in their worldview anyway.
More Marie Antoinette.

304155 ▶▶ thinkaboutit, replying to Danny, 3, #346 of 1806 🔗

I call the elite the Louis Seizers. This is the government, high civil service, MSM. I’m hoping they go the same way as Louis XVI and little Marie.

304235 ▶▶▶ Nigel Sherratt, replying to thinkaboutit, 1, #347 of 1806 🔗

Monsieur et Madame Veto.


Madame Veto avait promis,
Madame Veto avait promis.
de faire égorger tout Paris,
de faire égorger tout Paris.
Mais son coup a manqué
grâce à nos canonniers.

304175 ▶▶ annie, replying to Danny, 3, #349 of 1806 🔗

At least Marie Antoinette was willing to let the masses eat cake.

304184 ▶▶ Biker, replying to Danny, 5, #350 of 1806 🔗

the new tolerant diverse people don’t know how to party, fuck they aren’t even human. Anyone with a smart phone i hate more than Hitler

304225 ▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to Danny, 14, #351 of 1806 🔗

I have little doubt that the people urging Johnson to “cancel Christmas” are the same as those who refuse to put up town decorations in case they offend somebody. When I talk to Hindus and Muslims and Sikhs and Jews, all express surprise that there is anything in Christmas decorations to take offence over.

304414 ▶▶ TyRade, replying to Danny, 1, #352 of 1806 🔗

‘Not doing God’ didn’t start with that comment by Blair’s bum-wipe Alistair Campbell. It’s not only Christmas that’s just for the peasants. You’re dissed (disdained) if you are:

  • pro Christmas
  • pro Brexit
  • pro no Lockdown/masks/distancing…
304441 ▶▶ Marialta, replying to Danny, 4, #353 of 1806 🔗

Another aspect is the snobbery about garish outdoor Xmas decorations. Kitsch is okay and I consider the twinkling snowmen a kind of folk art. I’m not even a fan of Christmas myself but this year I’m going carol singing with Keep Britain Free in Brighton seeing as its banned it seems like a great plan! We’ve also got a Fun night tonight where there will be comedians, music and bar.

304683 ▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to Marialta, #354 of 1806 🔗

There’s also snobbery towards people who use fake trees rather than the real McCoy. They’re even trying to perpetuate the lie that the fake ones aren’t environmentally friendly. Well duh, they won’t if you change it every year but that’s not the point – its meant to be used year in, year out. My fake tree has been with us for as long as Mr Bart and I have been married and maybe it will outlast us.

305561 ▶▶▶▶ annie, replying to Bart Simpson, #355 of 1806 🔗

My fake tree is an old and valued friend.

304140 TheBluePill, replying to TheBluePill, 13, #356 of 1806 🔗

Just in case anyone hasn’t seen through this yet, the reasoning for cancelling Christmas is as follows…

The false-positive generation industry is already running at 100%, busy manufacturing the second wave. It cannot be ramped up further after Christmas.

Therefore the corresponding lack of any impact of socialising during Christmas risks waking up far too many sheeple. Fortunately the government in this country is critically incompetent, so they may allow it to go ahead after all.

304185 ▶▶ IanE, replying to TheBluePill, 3, #357 of 1806 🔗

Could be right with that analysis! Of course the gubmint has prepared its alibis by talking about individual responsibility, so that, when no blow-up occurs, they can have a maudlin appreciation of the plebs who have finally done their bit!

304216 ▶▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to IanE, 2, #358 of 1806 🔗

Amazing how “societal responsibility”, cornerstone of so much of modern social theory, goes out of the window when those at the top get it so spectacularly wrong.

304187 ▶▶ PoshPanic, replying to TheBluePill, 10, #359 of 1806 🔗

The PCR testing scam, is now being discussed by the majority. I heard it everywhere over the weekend, for example. IMO, anybody supporting continued control of the population, has either been possessed by the evil fearzombie virus, or were pure evil to begin with.

304212 ▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to TheBluePill, 4, #360 of 1806 🔗

I suspect it’s already game over, but many haven’t realised yet. Or at least, not enough of them.

304244 ▶▶▶ PoshPanic, replying to Nick Rose, 2, #361 of 1806 🔗

Pretty much sums it up

304141 Mark II, replying to Mark II, 25, #362 of 1806 🔗

Im amazed that the primary school level of argument put forward by bmj, starmer and co is what passes as critical thinking and sensible leadership to the majority (it seems) these days. Their argument for cancelling the Christmas relaxation (and I scoff at the idea what is being allowed is considered relaxed ffs) is now that wahwahwah Germany and others are being even more authoritarian so we should copy them?!? How does this get past the first stupidity checkers in people’s heads?! It all beggars belief and has done since March, I knew it would be impossible for them to come out of L1 but I didn’t anticipate how long people would go along with this idiocy for, how many more times does this approach need to be shown to be shite before the masses wake up?

304238 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to Mark II, 1, #363 of 1806 🔗

Covid is just a league table to them.

304144 yohodi, 5, #364 of 1806 🔗

Par-liar-ment is a toilet full of turds.
All we ever hear are empty words.
As events have unfolded.
We are berated and further scolded
But nothing matches what has actually occurred.

304157 Dan Clarke, replying to Dan Clarke, 16, #365 of 1806 🔗

Big article yesterday in the DM about the rise in Sussex, naming Worthing as one place, the MP was quick to point out that having been onto the hospital, they have 3 covid cases. The MSM propaganda is out of control

304173 ▶▶ annie, replying to Dan Clarke, 3, #366 of 1806 🔗

Mustn’t let MSM rip through the nation.

304382 ▶▶ Darryl, replying to Dan Clarke, 1, #367 of 1806 🔗

Unfortunately the people in Worthing will believe the MSM over the facts on the ground. You could take them to view an empty hospital, but if the BBC said it was like a war zone they would go with the BBC version over their own eyes.

304403 ▶▶▶ Mabel Cow, replying to Darryl, 1, #368 of 1806 🔗

Not least because Worthing is chock full of grannies.

304479 ▶▶▶▶ Darryl, replying to Mabel Cow, #369 of 1806 🔗

The virtue signalling gene has also traveled along the coast from Brighton over the years.

305715 ▶▶▶▶▶ Llamasaurus Rex, replying to Darryl, #370 of 1806 🔗

Indeed it has. Or is it a VS virus?

304159 Scotty87, replying to Scotty87, 20, #371 of 1806 🔗

The front pages today are a hoot – the general message is “Christmas hangs in the balance.” They must think that millions of us are furiously refreshing our news feeds, sweating on the next pronouncement from the likes of Hancock or Whitty.

Should we tell them or just allow them to continue embarrassing themselves?

304163 ▶▶ Dan Clarke, replying to Scotty87, 7, #372 of 1806 🔗

I noticed the article about christmas in the DM had 3m hits, big money involved in ramping up the hysteria

304172 ▶▶ annie, replying to Scotty87, 6, #373 of 1806 🔗

Ignore the buggers snd concentrate on getting those pesky tree lights working.

304189 ▶▶ Lockdown_Lunacy, replying to Scotty87, 9, #374 of 1806 🔗

Let them carry on, my large turkey has been on order for a while and as long as they don’t pretend it has bird flu and cull it, there’ll be quite a few of us eating it on Christmas day, come what may!

Also, because going out on NYE this year will be a masked and distanced hell, I’m planning to have a little do at my house instead. I’m sure these scenes will be repeated up and down the country.

These nutters are out of touch. Never interrupt your enemy while he is making a mistake.

304202 ▶▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to Lockdown_Lunacy, 5, #375 of 1806 🔗

Trouble is, they’re dangerous nutters. There are two lots at work: the Covizealots who push or accept the official hysteria and stir it up; and those who believe some massive cabal/Gates/WEF/Balloch-Brown/the Barclay brothers/Rothschilds (this varies “theory” to “theory”) is pulling the strings behind the scenes. Presumably to make pots of money from all these destroyed currencies and economies.

Both are as bad as each other.

304512 ▶▶▶▶ Jez Hewitt, replying to Nick Rose, #376 of 1806 🔗

Trouble is, they’re no longer behind the scenes, just a little further than the end of one’s nose.

Personally, there’s now way too many timely coincidences and far too much globally collosal incompetence, not to mention the jaw dropping levels of conflicting interests, to warrant the complete dismissal of every nutter. Okay, maybe the green lizzards but 2020 isn’t done just yet.

304344 ▶▶▶ Crystal Decanter, replying to Lockdown_Lunacy, 1, #377 of 1806 🔗

Corona Moaners can insert their own fists into every hole they have ever had

304199 ▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to Scotty87, 5, #378 of 1806 🔗

Ignoring them. Mr Bart and I will have our Christmas come hell or high water.

304160 Ewan Duffy, replying to Ewan Duffy, 5, #379 of 1806 🔗


Ireland threatening vaccine certificates to be allowed attend social gatherings.

304231 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to Ewan Duffy, 2, #380 of 1806 🔗

Bastards. To think they’ve ignored actual helpful measures like effective treatments and instead think surveillance is a better way to combat it. Never known so many psychopaths to inhabit the country.

304166 Cecil B, replying to Cecil B, 3, #381 of 1806 🔗

wasted and wounded
and it ain’t what the moon did
i got what i paid for now
see you tomorrow

Waltzing Mathilda

Tom Waits

304373 ▶▶ mjr, replying to Cecil B, #382 of 1806 🔗

Actually “Tom Traubert’s Blues”
Full lyrics here
very relevant ….
“I’m an innocent victim of a blinded alley
And I’m tired of all these soldiers here
No one speaks English, and every thing’s broken”

My favourite song… But it has to be Rod Stewarts version

304428 ▶▶▶ Mutineer, replying to mjr, #383 of 1806 🔗

Nooooo!!!!!! Love Tom Waites! Another song for the times is ‘Splendid Isolation’ by Warren Zevon.

304174 chaos, replying to chaos, 10, #384 of 1806 🔗

Why do they hate pubs and clubs? Why masks? Why distancing? Why support bubbles?

Hear no evil. Speak no evil. See no evil.
Hear no dissent and alternative viewpoints. Speak no dissent and alternative viepoints. See no dissent or alternative viewpoints.

Pubs and clubs and homes are where people talk. Discussion becomes a chore socially distanced in a mask.

It’s really quite evil.

Ivor is on the right page.. I wonder when Toby will join.

304287 ▶▶ Crystal Decanter, replying to chaos, 3, #385 of 1806 🔗

Wrong question
The work from home class hate the working class
If you don’t have a Pret in the morning you are not worth a dime

304341 ▶▶▶ Crystal Decanter, replying to Crystal Decanter, #386 of 1806 🔗

Good – I don’t keep up with these limousine liberals and their swanky eateries
Too busy dealing with the blessings of diversity

304339 ▶▶ Noumenon, replying to chaos, 2, #387 of 1806 🔗

As an interesting side note the original Shinto Japanese saying that can still be found in temples was “Hear no evil. Speak no evil. See no evil. Do no evil.”

The westerners somehow managed to lose the last part. I don’t know why that could be…

304642 ▶▶▶ Spikedee1, replying to Noumenon, 1, #388 of 1806 🔗

They probably could not think of how to get the monkey to show do no evil?

304178 Albie, replying to Albie, 8, #389 of 1806 🔗

All these polls that the media were gushing over yesterday favouring tighter restrictions don’t give a true reflection. Those completing online polls are, broadly speaking, more likely to have the time. This time is afforded to them, again broadly speaking, by them choosing not to go out because they are scared. If the polls were conducted in an equal number of locations such as shopping centres, hospitality environments and workplaces, and not just online then I have little doubt we would see a different outcome. On the upside the zealots have lost a lot of support over the past few months whichever way you look at it.

304195 ▶▶ Dave Angel Eco Warrier, replying to Albie, 7, #390 of 1806 🔗

I complete YouGov polls (I have the time) but I have never been sent one regarding anything specifically to do with Covid. They are generally about other matters but they do ‘fish’ with the occasional random “How worried are you about catching Coronavirus?”. I have always answered “Not at all” and that has been the end of it. I often wonder where the survey would have led if I had responed that I was worried. Like you say, they are not really random and are answered by essentially the same people giving the same answers all the time.

304394 ▶▶▶ albert hall, replying to Dave Angel Eco Warrier, 1, #391 of 1806 🔗

Still, you do get fifty quid after you’ve completed umpteen surveys

304181 JHuntz, 10, #392 of 1806 🔗

Guys we are censored regards comments on newspaper sites. However, we can brigade the downvote button against the 77th comments.

Anti-vax protesters clash with police in central London hours before capital plunges into Tier 3 Covid restrictions (thesun.co.uk)

See some of the despicable comments on here it is obivious what ones are govt paid traitors.

304186 Pete Bell, replying to Pete Bell, 2, #393 of 1806 🔗

I find it slightly worrying that the ads at the bottom of Page 1 of todays LS included one for “the face mask everyone is talking about”. If I believed in conspiracies, I’d suggest this is one. And NO, I’m not going to buy one of these masks.

304288 ▶▶ Ewan Duffy, replying to Pete Bell, 3, #394 of 1806 🔗

Give this site some revenue by clicking on the ad. It will also deprive the mask manufacturer of profit by increasing their costs.

304188 swedenborg, replying to swedenborg, 5, #395 of 1806 🔗

The biggest study in the world so far estimating the infection rate by serology and PCR.The most interesting thing is the IFR 0.05% very low. Result of age structure or widespread use of HCQ in the country producing most of it?


The burden of active infection and anti-SARS-CoV-2 IgG antibodies in the general population: Results from a statewide survey in Karnataka, India

“This is the first comprehensive survey providing accurate estimates of the COVID-19 burden anywhere in the world.
The overall adjusted prevalence of COVID-19 in Karnataka was 27 ·3% (95% CI: 25 ·7-28 ·9), including IgG 16 ·4% (95% CI: 15 ·1 – 17 ·7) and active infection 12 ·7% (95% CI: 11 ·5-13 ·9). The case-to-infection ratio was 1:40, and the infection fatality rate was 0 ·05%.”

304206 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to swedenborg, 5, #396 of 1806 🔗

The more I read about HCQ and Ivermectin, and their ubiquitous use in the developing world, they certainly play a part. More so than the constant claim that social distancing and masks are the key any way.

The fact prophylactic measures have not been investigated with the same speed and risk-to-the-wind attitude as they have done with vaccines is seriously looking like a scandal. Corporate capture no doubt playing its part.

With an IFR that low, would such countries even bother with a vaccine until its been tested on UK citizens for at least a few years?

Does China use treatments such as HCQ? Given they’ve eradicated Covid

304191 Andrew K, replying to Andrew K, 15, #397 of 1806 🔗

Bad day yesterday, whatever facts I presented people, they simply turned the evidence around to say we need more restrictions, more masks etc.. It’s almost as if I’m living in the final stages of the film “invasion of the body snatchers” . There’s very few of us humans left, most of the planet has been taken over. Please remind me how that film ends…

304211 ▶▶ richmond, replying to Andrew K, 6, #398 of 1806 🔗

Nothing is real to them unless it’s on the BBC, and the moment you say you can’t trust the BBC their eyes glaze over. But don’t trust Holloywood to provide the ending. How do most dictatorships end?

304264 ▶▶▶ Andrew K, replying to richmond, 1, #399 of 1806 🔗

With a bang and a shag

304362 ▶▶▶▶ annie, replying to Andrew K, #400 of 1806 🔗

He’a had the shag.

304643 ▶▶▶▶▶ Nigel Sherratt, replying to annie, #401 of 1806 🔗

This is the way the world ends
This is the way the world ends
This is the way the world ends
Not with a bang but a whimper.

304218 ▶▶ Dave Angel Eco Warrier, replying to Andrew K, 14, #402 of 1806 🔗

Ditto. I spoke to a few people yesterday that had no knowledge of the Danish mask study, were totally unaware the PCR test was extremely questionable and had absolutely no other knowledge than what MSM had fed them. The laughable thing was they all admitted breaking the rules if they “could get away with it”. Each and every day the absurdity gathers pace. What I told them made not a jot of difference as they looked at me as if I had two heads.

304301 ▶▶▶ stefarm, replying to Dave Angel Eco Warrier, 8, #403 of 1806 🔗

Me and the OH had the same conversation re the rule breakers, most of her colleagues are virtue signallers hiding behind their mask but regularly break and bend the rules to suit themselves.

They think donning the mask makes all of their hypocrisy null and void.

304753 ▶▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to stefarm, #404 of 1806 🔗

Yeah, have come across that too – picking and choosing what suits them yet have the nerve to berate those who don’t wear masks and are sceptical about the whole thing

304400 ▶▶▶ Mabel Cow, replying to Dave Angel Eco Warrier, 5, #405 of 1806 🔗

My hairdresser told me that of his 300 clients, I was the only one who expressed scepticism of “the situation”. He also admitted that he didn’t know who Matt Hancock or Rishi Sunak were. Oh dear.

304517 ▶▶▶▶ Two-Six, replying to Mabel Cow, #406 of 1806 🔗

Holy heck how can anybody not know who these guys are? Incredible. Just how ill informed is that?

304555 ▶▶▶▶ Jez Hewitt, replying to Mabel Cow, 1, #407 of 1806 🔗

Next time try Matthew Footvagina – maybe not if he’s concentrating with scissors or peroxide.

304252 ▶▶ PoshPanic, replying to Andrew K, 2, #408 of 1806 🔗

If it’s any consolation, I’m experiencing the opposite. Maybe I know who the nutters are and just avoid them?

305478 ▶▶ Borisbullshit, replying to Andrew K, #409 of 1806 🔗

Does that mean wearing 2 masks at once? I did see some arse wipe doing that.

304194 chris, replying to chris, 25, #410 of 1806 🔗

Found this comment from Paul Weston on Breitbart. This says it all about the so called pandemic and virus mutation.

It doesn’t matter if the virus mutates – for the simple reason that the vaccines are not based on the coronavirus in the first place. The Oxford vaccine is based on the common cold coronavirus. The Pfizer vaccine is based on gene messaging black magic.
If you have a flu, measles, mumps, rubella, polio vaccine, you ger a weakened form of the actual virus itself, in order to trigger your immune system.
The reason they cannot use a weakened form of the Covid virus is because they have never identified and isolated the virus. If they had, they would use it in a vaccine. The government claims it has been isolated but when asked directly in FOI requests, they refuse to answer.
We are being lied to on a massive scale. Not least in the assertion that we need a vaccine for a disease which is so weak it is basically a vaccine in itself. Vaccines are only ever used when the full strength virus is capable of killing us or making us seriously ill.
But if the virus itself is so weedy that we suffer no symptoms at all, or just a fever and aches and pains gor a few days, then contracting that virus is essentially a free vaccine which triggers our immune systems whilst not threatening us in the least.
Fraud of the century, crime of the century. So insane in fact, that there is clearly another agenda at work here. The Great Green New World Order has arrived. Gulags soon to follow.

304245 ▶▶ JHuntz, replying to chris, 3, #411 of 1806 🔗

Paul Weston is always on the money!

304413 ▶▶ Harry hopkins, replying to chris, 4, #412 of 1806 🔗

Yes, the ‘virus’ has NEVER been isolated but even among sceptics most believe that it has. If it hasn’t been isolated how can it be the cause of a pandemic? How can it be tested for? And, as the article makes crystal clear, how can a vaccine be produced against it? The whole shoddy and murderous nine months that have just passed are best described as a fear induced scamdemic to whip up frenzy and obedience so that those who are controlling this ‘war on humanity’ can transform the world to their design. Conspiracy theory? A year ago I would have said of course it is. Now?….anyone who doesn’t see what’s really happening is blind as well as foolish.

304802 ▶▶ djaustin, replying to chris, 1, #413 of 1806 🔗

If they had, they would use it in a vaccine.

Like this one?


Inactivated virus is an old technology that does not always deliver protection. All available modalities are being tested. mRNA is fastest to develop.

304208 Brett_McS, replying to Brett_McS, 13, #414 of 1806 🔗

I see that the AMA has quietly approved HCQ for treatment of Covid-19. Now that billions of dollars have been distributed for development of ‘vaccines’.

I guess they hope that the cheap and safe HCQ, and the stunningly effective Ivermectin, will do the work, while their precious ‘vaccines’ – and they by association – get the credit.

304220 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to Brett_McS, 6, #415 of 1806 🔗

The scandal is that they had to hold back approving them as the vaccines could not have been rushed through if they had done. The regulations state that any new treatment for a disease needs to go through full approval and testing if another effective one is already avaliable. It needs to show that it is better in terms of results and safety. In essence, it would have meant teh Pfzier Vaccine would have been put through a much longer approval process.

There is capture of such bodies on an epic scale.

304230 ▶▶▶ Brett_McS, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 1, #416 of 1806 🔗

That explains a lot, thanks!

304255 ▶▶▶ mhcp, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 4, #417 of 1806 🔗

The long game is for vaccines such as mRNA ones to get through approval easier by precident.

This isn’t about Covid. It’s about vaccines down the line for whatever is made up next.

304282 ▶▶ Crystal Decanter, replying to Brett_McS, 7, #418 of 1806 🔗

It was all about getting rid of the Donald
ALL of it

305313 ▶▶ Ben, replying to Brett_McS, #419 of 1806 🔗

For the rich

304214 Voz 0db, 7, #420 of 1806 🔗

If fellow British slaves still don’t know what needs to be done to scoundrels like asshole Keir Starmer then… Enjoy the culling.

For what I can see, just like in the Plantation where I slave on, OBEDIENCE rules!

304215 Cecil B, replying to Cecil B, 13, #421 of 1806 🔗

The whole cancel Christmas thing was obviously contrived bullshit

Whenever the dictatorship creates a false story it’s to distract peoples attention

Distracting attention from what?

Coinciding with this crap the Pfizer share price has been dropping

It will only be dropping because people with inside knowledge know the ‘vaccine’ is in trouble

The last few days will have allowed the people in the know to get their money out whilst everyone is distracted

304221 ▶▶ Voz 0db, replying to Cecil B, 7, #422 of 1806 🔗

Since the start of OPERATION COVIDIUS TRILLIONS have been transferred to the TOP of the pyramid!

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304241 ▶▶ Jonathan Palmer, replying to Cecil B, 9, #423 of 1806 🔗

It also has prepared the groundwork for lockdown 3.Increased mixing over Christmas has caused infections to spread,R rate above 1.Pressure on the NHS.etc.
We all know the script by now.Maybe another one of Hancocks tenuous relatives may die to add more personal tragedy.
How can supposedly intelligent people fall for this charade?

304312 ▶▶ Voz 0db, replying to Cecil B, #424 of 1806 🔗

Just the TRANSFER from 2018 to 2019…
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Wait for the data of AWESOME year of 2020!

304223 vargas99, replying to vargas99, 1, #425 of 1806 🔗

Apologies in advance, I know this has been asked for before, but can anyone point me to the posts from Awkward Git regarding the FOI requests and PCR testing – especially the one from PHE? Thanks

304232 ▶▶ Biggles, replying to vargas99, #426 of 1806 🔗

Was this the one? This page 1.

304236 ▶▶▶ Biggles, replying to Biggles, 1, #427 of 1806 🔗

And page 2.

304243 ▶▶▶▶ vargas99, replying to Biggles, 2, #428 of 1806 🔗

Excellent, Thanks Biggles.

304226 Country Mumkin, replying to Country Mumkin, 5, #429 of 1806 🔗

Just heard from a work associate in Wales that her husband has had vaccine. I asked what they said about it. She said there was literature from the DOH and she was told (not sure if in literature or not) that the vaccine meant it would stop the virus in its tracks and would not pass on to anyone else. I’m certain they can’t be saying or inferring this. What do you think?

304266 ▶▶ Apache, replying to Country Mumkin, 3, #430 of 1806 🔗

That is exactly part of the problem in the UK – Doctor knows best. Please people have an intelligent conversation with your health care provider and fully explore the ups and downs of the proposed treatment.

304651 ▶▶▶ Jez Hewitt, replying to Apache, 1, #431 of 1806 🔗

In addition, tell them your lawyer has recommended you record the conversation, if anything just to sharpen their minds. Double check their hand isn’t shaking upon insertion.

304289 ▶▶ Mayo, replying to Country Mumkin, 2, #432 of 1806 🔗

They mean that there is not YET proof that it can’t still be transmitted.

The Phase III trials are still ongoing and will continue until the end of 2022. The vaccine appears to be effective and safe (in the short term) so it’s been approved for ’emergency’ use but the re are still some answered questions.

304353 ▶▶ Crystal Decanter, replying to Country Mumkin, 2, #433 of 1806 🔗

I live in the Peoples Republic of Whales
Thinking of resurrecting the spirit of the Rebecca Riots
Getting all the men folk to dress up as Trannies and throw Drakeford into the Taff
Any action against us by the rozzers will be transphobia

304411 ▶▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to Crystal Decanter, 2, #434 of 1806 🔗

I don’t wind throwing Drakeford into the Taff, even better if he’s wearing a concrete jacket, but I draw the line at doing it in drag.

304434 ▶▶▶▶ Crystal Decanter, replying to Nick Rose, 1, #435 of 1806 🔗

The thing about woke is it is a fantastic weapon that can be turned on those who practice wokery

304636 ▶▶▶▶ Nigel Sherratt, replying to Nick Rose, #436 of 1806 🔗

Drakeford probably sleeps with the fishes already (in the Simpsons sense).

304237 OKUK, replying to OKUK, 30, #437 of 1806 🔗

Reality starting to intrude on JHB’s vaxojubilation. She admitted in conversation with the wonderful Lord Sumption this morning on Talk Radio that she now feared vaccination was not going to be the route back to reclaiming our liberties. Is that the sound of a penny dropping?

304242 ▶▶ Cecil B, replying to OKUK, 11, #438 of 1806 🔗

As with the lockdown she will get it in the end

304246 ▶▶▶ Cecil B, replying to Cecil B, 10, #439 of 1806 🔗

Don’t want to be around when it dawns on her that she has been conned for a second time

304337 ▶▶▶ Darryl, replying to Cecil B, 3, #440 of 1806 🔗

She was still supporting lockdown after peaceful protestors were being beaten on the streets of London so I wouldn’t hold out much hope.

I haven’t noticed her retweeting information about tyrannical actions going on around the world such as dissenting academics being detained in mental asylums. She also still seems to think anyone not queuing up for the experimental Covid vaccine is an evil ‘anti-vaxxer’ (as surprisingly do some of the lockdown sceptics writers).

305497 ▶▶▶▶ Borisbullshit, replying to Darryl, #441 of 1806 🔗

I used to think she was ok but really cant stand her now.

305495 ▶▶▶ Borisbullshit, replying to Cecil B, #442 of 1806 🔗

She is a slow learner.

304253 ▶▶ IanE, replying to OKUK, 3, #443 of 1806 🔗

Yes, she really takes her time to get there!

p.s. New Moniker suggestion – UKUSEDTOBEOK !?

305714 ▶▶▶ OKUK, replying to IanE, #444 of 1806 🔗

Meant to imply a modest ambition -a UK that is OK, no utopian vision.

304278 ▶▶ Crystal Decanter, replying to OKUK, 4, #445 of 1806 🔗

There are no liberties – only temporary privileges
The only option is to do everything possible to facilitate the collapse of the state

305739 ▶▶▶ Llamasaurus Rex, replying to Crystal Decanter, #446 of 1806 🔗

The only option is to do everything possible to facilitate the collapse of the state

“That which is falling should also be pushed”

304765 ▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to OKUK, 1, #447 of 1806 🔗

Journalists tend to be slow on the uptake so am not surprised by this.

304257 William, replying to William, 20, #448 of 1806 🔗

Today’s Guy de la Bédoyère contribution is his best yet. I’m horrified by the number of loonies who think “oh we’d like to see Granny, but we’d better wait until the danger has passed”, as if Granny is being held in suspended animation in the meantime.

If I were Granny, I’d tell them “if you don’t come and see me now, don’t bother coming to see me ever again.” I’d then write them out of my Will and blow their inheritance on extravagances. And take a young lover.

304314 ▶▶ Noumenon, replying to William, 2, #449 of 1806 🔗

One wonders how many grannies are. I think we’d be pleasantly surprised.

304629 ▶▶▶ Nigel Sherratt, replying to Noumenon, 2, #450 of 1806 🔗

I have my children’s permission to blow the lot since I’ve promised that I won’t put them to the expense of a care home.

304259 PoshPanic, 9, #451 of 1806 🔗

Bob’s cartoon today is the one for me. Perfectly simple, heartbreaking and infuriating at the same time. A picture can speak a million words.

304260 Dinger, replying to Dinger, 2, #452 of 1806 🔗

This is disgusting (from Simon Dolan’s twitter feed)
Who voted for this sick bastard councillor?

304269 ▶▶ Winston Smith, replying to Dinger, 2, #453 of 1806 🔗

He’s a cunt

304280 ▶▶ PoshPanic, replying to Dinger, 2, #454 of 1806 🔗

Screenshot and download. These are the arseholes holding this whole thing up.

304284 ▶▶ Jonathan Palmer, replying to Dinger, 2, #455 of 1806 🔗

The fear doesn’t work anymore,so they have changed tack.
Now if you want to live a life with any semblance to normality you are an selfish irresponsible granny killer.

304623 ▶▶ Nigel Sherratt, replying to Dinger, #456 of 1806 🔗

I voted for the idiot Perkin featured in the last post, we did at least have a clean sweep out of Conservatives which was quite thrilling for a few weeks until the new idiots took office.

304263 AnotherSceptic, 3, #457 of 1806 🔗


They have wheeled out this story again. This time, aswell as covid getting a mention, so does that motorbike sounding disease also.

Just to keep up the scaremongering folks.

304273 Jonathan Palmer, replying to Jonathan Palmer, 6, #458 of 1806 🔗

The last comment was the key,There is casual disdain for Delingpoles views.
Since this crisis Toby Young and Peter Hitchens have been beacons of sanity and helped me realise I wasn’t alone;but there is something almost pigheaded in their refusing to look beyond the curtain.
If it was just here then I could readily believe in Government incompetence,you only have to look at the current crop of ministers,but the similarity of the seemingly insane response suggests heavily of a supra national guiding hand.
To dismiss Bill Gates role as a comic Bond villain for conspiracy theorists is disingenuous.The man has financial links to WHO,Gavi and many of the main Scienific/Medical players in this.Does not Toby think it strange that this man flew over to meet Johnson to discuss vaccine rollout 2 weeks ago.
I personally believe it is not just down to Gates.One man however rich cannot make the world stop.
In all things follow the money,who is benefitting from this.There is a massive transfer of wealth going on at the moment from middle and upper classes to the Super rich.
Instead of sneering to the gallery,that would be the start of my investigation.

304283 ▶▶ Winston Smith, replying to Jonathan Palmer, 4, #459 of 1806 🔗

Always follow the money

304298 ▶▶ Crystal Decanter, replying to Jonathan Palmer, 5, #460 of 1806 🔗

Gates has a history of experimentation on brown babies. This is indisputable even for Toby

304311 ▶▶▶ Jonathan Palmer, replying to Crystal Decanter, 1, #461 of 1806 🔗

He is on record as saying if we do a good job with vaccines and healthcare we could reduce the population by 15 %.
There is nothing comic or funny about this man.

304365 ▶▶▶ Darryl, replying to Crystal Decanter, #462 of 1806 🔗

Western journalists sadly don’t usually care about things going on in far away lands to poor people. I expect history is currently being rewritten to delete anything critical of Dr Gates.

304732 ▶▶▶ peter, replying to Crystal Decanter, -1, #463 of 1806 🔗

Toby always wants to kill the poor.

304425 ▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to Jonathan Palmer, 1, #464 of 1806 🔗

Then investigate it. I look forward to reading any original documentation you uncover.

304705 ▶▶▶ Jez Hewitt, replying to Nick Rose, #465 of 1806 🔗

At the very least, the conflicts of interests warrant a little more than Joe fucking Public investigating it.


304746 ▶▶ John P, replying to Jonathan Palmer, #466 of 1806 🔗

I’m sorry Jonathan, but just because you disagree with Peter Hitchens, Toby Young and myself doesn’t make you right and us wrong.

Delingpole considers himself a friend of Toby Young despite their differences over this matter.

As for myself, I like Delingpole and often listen to his podcasts, but his “great reset” bs I find a little hard to swallow. In fact, in pushing this I think he’s possibly playing to his American audience on Breitbart.

It’s not only the Right that is playing this game though. On the Left, journalist Neil Clark is also a pusher of the “great reset” narrative. He works for RT and it’s associates.

I would still read both Breitbart and RT, and certainly don’t want them banned or censored, but I think it would be naive to suppose that they are entirely neutral promoters of truth.

304752 ▶▶ John P, replying to Jonathan Palmer, #467 of 1806 🔗

PS; it is you, Jonathan that are promoting Gates as a “bond villain”.

I don’t like Gates. I think he’s delusional and his intrusion into matters of global health is unwelcome, but I do not believe that he is some sort of evil maniac bent on death, destruction and global domination.

I just don’t, I’m sorry.

304909 ▶▶▶ Jez Hewitt, replying to John P, 1, #468 of 1806 🔗

Fair enough, each to their own and all that, but aren’t you a tad curious as to what all these players are doing shining the head of Klaus Schwab – who isn’t exactly shy about using the Rona crisis to push is agenda forward?

Let’s look at a few of these players:

Bill Gates – considerable donations to (or shares in) Imperial College (Ferguson), Oxford University (vaccine development/research) including conflicts of interest amongst SAGE members, WHO, GAVI, Monsanto, the BBC, The Guardian. This lays it out a little better: https://www.bitchute.com/video/SsZQQrkWpx0v/

Angela Merkel – very good pals with Klaus, who just happens to have Drosten as her Chief Scientific Advisor for Covid – not to mention that Germany have had less overall mortality this year than last and have locked down again.

Joe Biden – enjoys having a laugh with our Klaus, and just happens to have won a murky US election that the Supreme Court don’t seem too fussed about investigating further?

Matt Hancock – I don’t think I need to elaborate any further on what this cunt has been up to.

Justin Trudeau – He’s pretty much trying to show the rest of the world leaders how to do this shit.

Now, I don’t want to come over like I’m wrapped in Baco, but it seems to me like these dots can’t help joining themselves – but that’s just me and about 5 minutes on DuckDuckGo. A decent investigative journalist might join them a little better.

For the record, I’m praying it’s just incompetence and opportunistic boarding of the Bisto Express.

304279 cloud6, replying to cloud6, 9, #469 of 1806 🔗

So the madness, lunacy, hypocrisy, lies and destruction of democracy continues.

The Royals, slebs, politicians breaking rules (with impunity).

We now have covid-19+20 (new strain)

Dominic Cummings received a pay rise of at least 40 per cent last year, sparking an angry backlash among other special advisers….

Bojo heading for the asylum.

Proof that governments are manipulating figures and data to suit their agenda.

Mad scientist’s who want to move Christmas to Easter?

It’s raining cats and dogs here, so we are of to see Wonder Woman 1984 with a bag full of eats and no masks.

304446 ▶▶ Dodderydude, replying to cloud6, 2, #470 of 1806 🔗

My suspicion is that the Cummings pay rise was a negotiated pay off for agreeing to be a fall guy and/or keeping his mouth shut. Not only will it have given him an immediate ‘bonus’ payment but it will have substantially guaranteed him an extremely healthy pension; civil service pensions are calculated as a proportion of the individual’s actual salary at the end of their term of office irrespective of how long they have been on that salary and would also include a lump sum based on the salary.

305518 ▶▶ cloud6, replying to cloud6, #471 of 1806 🔗

Wonder Woman 1984 was very good, all 12 of us in a big screen cinema it’s like having a private showing, nobody bothered any of us and all had their masks under their chins. I thought about having a good chuckle, but no let then go.

I am actually getting to like going to the cinema, no parking problems, no ques, easy booking, nice staff, private showings, cheap 2 for 1 seats etc… and it’s amazing how you can make a bag of crisps last for the length of the film…. :), 🙁

304285 captainbeefheart, 6, #472 of 1806 🔗

In my local area if we were to get just one extra covid case, this would represent an ∞% increase on the number of cases we have at the moment (zero) according to that interactive covid map thing.

Maybe we should be put into tier 3 now just in case this happens. I best rush a letter to my MP demanding that more of my freedoms be taken away.

304290 chaos, 18, #473 of 1806 🔗

Last Christmas
I gave you a mask
But the very next day
You stood 2m apart

This year to save me from tiers
I’ll give it to someone oriental

304291 Freecumbria, replying to Freecumbria, 5, #474 of 1806 🔗

Most covid deaths are deaths that would have happened at the same time anyway but are simply labelled with covid.

Now suppose that a covid ‘vaccine’ was created, where there was no statistical evidence at all that the ‘vaccine’ protected against the probability of death generally from any cause.

But where there was some statistical evidence that it stopped your death being labelled as covid, in perhaps nineteen occasions out of twenty. And on all of those 19 occasions your death would have happened at the same time anyway but without the label.

Would you take that vaccine simply to remove the label attached to your death?

304333 ▶▶ annie, replying to Freecumbria, 6, #475 of 1806 🔗

They will ‘prove’ the snake oil works as soon as they’re ready, simply by taking the lies off the death certificates.
But they won’t do that until they have succeeded in inflicting lots more misery, because they so enjoy making people miserable.

304613 ▶▶ Nigel Sherratt, replying to Freecumbria, #476 of 1806 🔗

Just buy a vaccination chit from eBay, they’ll be along soon, probably with an optional extra to have the NHS database ‘updated’ too.

304292 Cecil B, replying to Cecil B, 32, #477 of 1806 🔗

I have no desire to go to a pub again

No desire to go to a restaurant or a cafe, a football match, use public transport, go on holiday, use a doctor, dentist, or a hospital

I have no desire to go into a shop again

If the pig dictator at some point returns these dispensations to me I will tell him to fuck off I don’t want them

Bet I can play dirtier than him

304299 ▶▶ Tom Blackburn, replying to Cecil B, 13, #478 of 1806 🔗

Football has been defiled. Can’t see me going back.

304317 ▶▶▶ Ed Phillips, replying to Tom Blackburn, 3, #479 of 1806 🔗

And were at the vanguard of all of this. As soon as football closed its doors then it was inevitable full lockdown was coming.

304396 ▶▶▶ kf99, replying to Tom Blackburn, 6, #480 of 1806 🔗

Wondered if someone will ever start ‘Real football’. After all it’s happened in the past (rugby etc)

-No kneeling or political statements
-Standing terrace only
-Cash turnstile entry only
-Muddy pitches if weather is bad
-‘Ground’, not ‘stadium’
-no var or other technology
-all 3pm Saturday kickoffs
-one sub

and so on

304310 ▶▶ Crystal Decanter, replying to Cecil B, 12, #481 of 1806 🔗

Correct response
This is war
Every actions from now on in should be to facilitate the collapse of the Coronatarian state

304328 ▶▶▶ annie, replying to Crystal Decanter, 3, #482 of 1806 🔗

Mine are.
Get that fighting spirit.

304326 ▶▶ annie, replying to Cecil B, 10, #483 of 1806 🔗

I’m not a contact person, and I don’t like hugs or handshakes. As a child, I loathed being forced to hug grandma.
But I’m damned if I’ll let the bloody Fascist bastards decide who should be hugged and who should not.

304384 ▶▶▶ Dodderydude, replying to annie, 2, #484 of 1806 🔗

I’m much the same as you, Annie. I consider faux kissing with complete strangers or even some close acquaintances anathema. I will deliberately avoid getting into proximity with people whom I am more than happy to chat to but know that they are going to ‘insist’ on lunging in for a kiss! Some might say that I should be so lucky, but I certainly don’t see it like that!

But, I digress. Like many on here I no longer attend sporting events, never go to the theatre other than to attend the very occasional concert or ballet, do not generally go to other cultural centres or even to the pub or out for meals. These are all activities that make little contribution to my personal life. BUT, and this is the very big BUT, I want to live in a world where I and others know we have the freedom to do these things if we so choose and not conditional on complying with someone else’s diktat.

304858 ▶▶ Silke David, replying to Cecil B, 6, #485 of 1806 🔗

As a hospitality professional I enjoyed going to a good restaurant with professional service.
Not anymore. If they cannot do proper service with a smile, sorry, I am not going.
Of course I know how bad it is for our industry and the huge supply chain, but it just too anxiety inducing.

305200 ▶▶ David Grimbleby, replying to Cecil B, #486 of 1806 🔗

Isn’t this rather capitulating to the tyranny.. just asking?

304293 nolongerproudtobebritish, replying to nolongerproudtobebritish, 6, #487 of 1806 🔗

For what it’s worth, here’s the text of my latest missive to my MP:-

The phrase ‘ prevention is better than cure ‘ is often attributed to the Dutch philosopher Desiderius Erasmus in around 1500.

It is a fundamental principle of healthcare, supported by:-

The NHS – NHS England » Prevention is better than cure, so let’s do more of it
The Royal College of Nursing – Prevention is better than cure | Campaigns | Royal College of Nursing (rcn.org.uk)
The National Health Executive – Prevention is better than cure (nationalhealthexecutive.com)
Your government – Prevention is better than cure: our vision to help you live well for longer – GOV.UK (www.gov.uk) (5-November-2018)

In light of this, can you please explain to me why the government is investing such a huge amount of money in unproven vaccinations, developed at unprecedented speed and with acknowledged risks, when there are already proven prophylactic and early treatments available ?

I again draw your attention to:-

On the Treatment of Covid-19 – Swiss Policy Research (swprs.org)
Ivermectin is effective for COVID-19: meta analysis of 24 studies (ivmmeta.com)

These sites provide numerous references to international, peer-reviewed studies demonstrating very high success rates for the treatments, which are relatively cheap to implement.

Why is SAGE / the government not, at the very least, recommending people to take the easily available, non-prescription dietary supplements Zinc, and vitamins C and D, to boost immunity ? I am not aware that the health service is making use of Ivermectin, Quercetin and Bromhexine – are they ?

As far as I am concerned, based on my research, the government and health authorities have not done everything possible to fight this pandemic and have let down the people of this country. How can the strategy of ‘lockdown restrictions’ be justified, with the associated detrimental effects on overall mental and physical health, and human rights, with the impossible aim of ‘defeating the virus’, when simple treatments have been ignored ?

Is it not time to retire the ‘Mathematical Modellers’ and Psychologists from the SAGE group, and replace them with experienced medical scientists ? Then the government might be able to follow the relevant science, rather than the relentlessly negative group-think which delivers such destructive advice.

Feel free to plagiarise if you deem it worthy ….

304325 ▶▶ Dan Clarke, replying to nolongerproudtobebritish, 1, #488 of 1806 🔗

Or we could investigate the financial incentives of the vaccine and the virus

304294 richmond, replying to richmond, 29, #489 of 1806 🔗

Man is jailed for travelling to the Isle of Man by jet ski to see his girlfriend.

Dale McLaughlan had never been on a jet ski before embarking on the 25 mile, four-hour, crossing from Scotland to the Isle of Man. After coming ashore, Mr McLauglan had to trek another 15 miles in order to reach his girlfriend’s home in Douglas. But his romantic gesture landed him in hot water after he was arrested by the authorities and charged with entering the Isle of Man illegally. Visitors who leave the island, which has only had 373 confirmed Covid-19 cases, must have written permission to re-enter. After arriving at his girlfriend’s home they went out clubbing together and when he was arrested he claimed to have been living at her home. Jailing him for a month, Deputy High Bailiff Christopher Arrowsmith said Mr McLaughlan had made “deliberate and intentional attempt to circumnavigate” the island’s rules, potentially putting the locals at risk.

Speechless. They should have given him a medal.

304297 ▶▶ Cecil B, replying to richmond, 11, #490 of 1806 🔗

Judge added to list

304322 ▶▶▶▶ Dan Clarke, replying to VickyA, 4, #492 of 1806 🔗

On camera

304330 ▶▶▶▶ stefarm, replying to VickyA, 10, #493 of 1806 🔗

Is he wearing 2 masks? He is already part of a cult surely he doesn’t need to join another one

304375 ▶▶▶▶ Crystal Decanter, replying to VickyA, 4, #494 of 1806 🔗

and a closet Homeowner

304303 ▶▶ Thomas_E, replying to richmond, 17, #495 of 1806 🔗

Give the man a medal and not a fine. I knew guys in the RM and SBS who would struggle with this. He gets my respect.

304304 ▶▶ kh1485, replying to richmond, 16, #496 of 1806 🔗

He’s a keeper!

304307 ▶▶ Crystal Decanter, replying to richmond, 8, #497 of 1806 🔗

I’ve always thought the Isle of Man would make a good prison/ refugee camp
Escape from New York style

304324 ▶▶▶ annie, replying to Crystal Decanter, 6, #498 of 1806 🔗

They had a huge internment camp there during the war.
To lock up German and Italian dissidents who had fled from Fascist persecution to what they thought was a free country.
Now the whole island is an internment camp run by Fascists.

304612 ▶▶▶ Tom in Scotland, replying to Crystal Decanter, 3, #499 of 1806 🔗

The Isle of Man was actually a giant prison in the PD James novel ‘The Children of Men’, a dystopian tale of mass infertility and the (negative) impact on our society and liberal democracy. The book is better than the film, in my opinion.

No one would voluntarily go to the Isle of Many prison in the novel. It was a one-way, compulsory journey to a scary place for those who committed any type of violent crime.

304331 ▶▶ JHuntz, replying to richmond, 6, #500 of 1806 🔗

Well played lad. She must have been a hot stuff.

305078 ▶▶▶ Jez Hewitt, replying to JHuntz, 1, #501 of 1806 🔗

Subjective and shallow, but no she wasn’t. It must be true love though, he walked too.

304551 ▶▶ muzzle, replying to richmond, 2, #502 of 1806 🔗

Sounds like a Milk Tray advert!

304300 Panda, replying to Panda, 12, #503 of 1806 🔗

All the posturing over Xmas is obviously just to seed the idea that we will have more nationwide lockdowns through January-April. The lockdownistas will just blame the plebs ‘not following the rules’ and tell us we only have ourselves to blame.

Sadly, it’s becoming painfully predictable. We all know now that it’s got nothing to do with the virus itself. They obviously didn’t achieve what they needed to achieve in the past six months and need more time.

304374 ▶▶ A. Contrarian, replying to Panda, 6, #504 of 1806 🔗

That’s the sad thing, all those people saying that cancelling Xmas will prevent a New Year lockdown. Why can’t they see it will happen anyway? After all, the last lockdown was going to solve everything and “save Christmas” – which is yet again just about to be cancelled.

304302 chaos, replying to chaos, 10, #505 of 1806 🔗

Hundreds of MP’s – most of whom are humanities and social science graduates – are following ‘the science’.

304321 ▶▶ annie, replying to chaos, 7, #506 of 1806 🔗

Hundreds of MPs are morons.
Morons with degrees, perhaps.
But morons.

304352 ▶▶ Les Tricoteuses, replying to chaos, 7, #507 of 1806 🔗

During a bored evening I went through the cabinet and shadow cabinet, making a list of all their educational achievements. Nearly all law, PPE , politics or similar. Most also have had no work experience outside of the public or charity sector.

On the govt side only Alok Sharma(Applied Physics) and Therese Coffey (Chemistry) buck the trend. On the other side you have to go way down the pecking order to Rosena Allin Khan and Valerie Vaz (both Biochemistry). Not that science has covered itself in glory on this one.

Tommy McAvoy the only non college/uni/military academy one I could find. He’s been a factory worker. For a bunch who are always banging on about diversity they are a very homogeneous lot.

304383 ▶▶▶ Norman, replying to Les Tricoteuses, 1, #508 of 1806 🔗

The most highly-qualified one we’ve had in recent years is no longer an MP https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Julian_Huppert

304587 ▶▶▶ Nigel Sherratt, replying to Les Tricoteuses, 1, #509 of 1806 🔗

And yet Sharma thinks 1000 acres of glass and the world’s biggest Lion battery on a wildlife site of international importance will save the planet.


305045 ▶▶▶▶ JanMasarykMunich, replying to Nigel Sherratt, #510 of 1806 🔗

So sad. Nature needlessly sacrificed to the ‘Climate Emergency’ cult.
Near Berlin they are building a massive Tesla e-car plant. Nature groups opposed it. Green Party councillors backed the factory.

304357 ▶▶ Les Tricoteuses, replying to chaos, 2, #511 of 1806 🔗

Social science is an oxymoron.

304430 ▶▶ Crystal Decanter, replying to chaos, #513 of 1806 🔗

probably the same ones who think there are 76 genders and trannies are real women

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304320 ▶▶ Crystal Decanter, replying to Victoria, 5, #515 of 1806 🔗

The outage was planned
Goolag has implemented a new censorship net
Nothing more

304348 ▶▶▶ anon, replying to Crystal Decanter, 2, #516 of 1806 🔗

any more info on this?

304364 ▶▶▶▶ Crystal Decanter, replying to anon, 2, #517 of 1806 🔗

Just whispers from 4-chan
of course Goolag will never admit it

304363 ▶▶ Voz 0db, replying to Victoria, 1, #518 of 1806 🔗

What’s “gmail”?!

304454 ▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to Voz 0db, #519 of 1806 🔗

An email provider e.g. Voz-0db@gmail.com

304470 ▶▶▶▶ Tom Blackburn, replying to JohnB, 3, #520 of 1806 🔗
304679 ▶▶▶▶▶ Voz 0db, replying to Tom Blackburn, #521 of 1806 🔗

That’s the universal address for the herd!

304684 ▶▶▶▶ Voz 0db, replying to JohnB, #522 of 1806 🔗

I was waiting for “A piece of shit, just like Google/Alphabet”!

304313 Smelly Melly, replying to Smelly Melly, 6, #523 of 1806 🔗

Near where I live there is a large medical centre that is offering “vaccines”. I understand the road leading to the medical centre has been closed to only allow those who are to be vaccinated access to the centre. The area around the centre has been roped off and 2 m signs put up all over the place.

Bearing in mind that the centre has 12 doctors and numerous nurses they anticipate (drum roll) they will be able to vaccinate 32 people per hour. You have to laugh.

304350 ▶▶ Dodderydude, replying to Smelly Melly, 5, #524 of 1806 🔗

Indeed, SM.

The minimum number of doses that can be delivered to vaccination centres is 975. To sustain viability these all have to be used within 3.5 days of delivery as they are already defrosted prior to delivery. So roughly 300 doses must be administered each day. This would be the schedule for even the smallest participating practice. So even with the particularly large number of staff at your nearby medical centre they could expect to work 10 hour days at full staff capacity and that’s assuming there are no ‘slow patients’ or immediate adverse reactions that would disrupt the process.

And I wonder if they have factored in the instruction to monitor vaccinated patients for 15 minutes – presumably requiring an observation room which could have, say, 8 ‘socially distanced’ patients in it at any given point in time with patients constantly coming and going. If the practice near you has just started vaccinating today presumably they are all happy to work at this rate on Saturday as well unless they intend to work well over 10 hour days between now and Friday.

304371 ▶▶ A. Contrarian, replying to Smelly Melly, 4, #525 of 1806 🔗

So where are all the “normal” patients going? Denied basic medical care?

304378 ▶▶▶ Smelly Melly, replying to A. Contrarian, 5, #526 of 1806 🔗

Yes, the medical centre is only open for “vaccinations”

304315 BeBopRockSteady, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 3, #527 of 1806 🔗

BBC Northern Ireland all over this last night and today.

The region has been on lockdown since mid October and only partially opened on Friday. So first off, are those measures working? Seems not. But of course, that is the people’s fault and more lockdown is the answer. I have so many questions about this because the reporting is so surface level with zero context given. Such as. Previous years.



We have next to no actual reporters or analysts in the region asking serous questions to understand the drivers. Is it slow movement due to everyone need Covid tested? Is it staff shortages due to isolating PCR policies (2500 staff in the region fall into this bracket last I read, and that was in August)? How many of these people are suffering due to the lockdown polices and now presenting? Who knows, like I say, no real questions are asked here.

The NHS in Northern Ireland has one of lowest ICU bed numbers per he’s head of population in Europe and so wasn’t exactly well prepared for anything, and it’s been going on years. Politicians were awol for 3 years until Jan 2020 because they don’t like each others corruption.

Tragic stuff on many levels.

304319 ▶▶ stefarm, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 12, #528 of 1806 🔗

We are being abused so it will always be our fault. It’s over when people realise and say fuck off

304332 ▶▶ Dan Clarke, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 2, #529 of 1806 🔗

Its always money and power

304335 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 1, #530 of 1806 🔗

To add to this you can see here the services have been in terminal decline over the last 5 years. So is the crisis a permanent one? I think it is.


And 60% of vacancies are unfilled.

304316 arfurmo, replying to arfurmo, 4, #531 of 1806 🔗

Neil Oliver on around 11.05 -give it a try?

304358 ▶▶ Darryl, replying to arfurmo, 4, #532 of 1806 🔗

Neil Oliver is indeed very good, talks like a real caring human. Most of the presenters constantly switch positions and none seem to support the anti lockdown movement. The argument is only over the level of state interference and tyranny.

At least they do give a few non SAGE ‘academics’ somewhere to air their views, but not the more outspoken ones – which suggests they are simply a bit of token opposition. Ever heard anyone criticise the extremely corrupt Fauci?

304323 Ned of the Hills, 2, #533 of 1806 🔗

How is it the government can decide from one day to the next how many people one can invite in to one’s home?

Presumably it’s by some Statutory Instrument? Is it one specific person or persons who is given this power.

But here’s my main question. How is it going to be enforced? Is Father Christmas going to check on us?

And then if we have been naughty – what’s the penalty? Presumably there will be a penalty?

304327 Dan Clarke, 10, #534 of 1806 🔗

The financial incentives of covid need a massive investigation because those who they say they are trying to protect, say isolation is the last thing they want even if it kills them they want to see family and friends.

304329 calchas, replying to calchas, 14, #535 of 1806 🔗


Scroll down a bit for the table.

With half of December left it looks like both Germany and Italy – yes that Italy – are heading for lower mortality for the year than in the last few years, and Sweden for alightly more – but then Sweden had a mild 2019.

The pandemic is a hoax.

304334 ▶▶ Dan Clarke, replying to calchas, 7, #536 of 1806 🔗

It will be sold as saving millions from a plague and also reducing carbon emissions to practically zero ie saving the planet

304367 ▶▶▶ A. Contrarian, replying to Dan Clarke, 3, #537 of 1806 🔗

Yes – it’s because we’ve spent most of the year locked down and/or restricted. It would have been ten billion times worse without. And look how many people we saved from traffic accidents etc by making people stay at home!

304340 Voz 0db, 2, #538 of 1806 🔗

Locking Down London Makes No Sense

Still in this delusion phase?!

OPERATION COVIDIUS is working better than expected.

The number of SILENT DEATHS is on the RISE, so it makes perfect sense to use the Right Tools to increase these deaths even more. LOCKDOWN is a wonderful Tool for this.

304355 Voz 0db, replying to Voz 0db, 3, #539 of 1806 🔗

So… The BEST PART of OPERATION COVIDIUS is that it provides the perfect smoke screen to keep the WEALTH TRANSFER that started in the Last Financial Terrorist Attack of 2008.

For those still in wonder slave land, do ENJOY REALITY!

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And this is still WITHOUT OPERATION COVIDIUS effect!

304368 ▶▶ Crystal Decanter, replying to Voz 0db, 8, #540 of 1806 🔗

Been saying this for ages – this is a Neo-Liberal assault on the working class
Why so many on the (so called) Left are applauding it is beyond me

304385 ▶▶▶ Voz 0db, replying to Crystal Decanter, 2, #541 of 1806 🔗

After that 2007/8 attack I started to prepare myself for the next one… And now that it is in motion, and since I was ready, I’m having zero effects in financial and economic aspects.

304444 ▶▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Crystal Decanter, 1, #542 of 1806 🔗

Hence the attack on wet pubs

304356 Fingerache Philip., replying to Fingerache Philip., 21, #543 of 1806 🔗

Just been confronted by a collaborator who told me to “wear a mask, mate”.
I don’t think that he ever “had a life” to lose.

304361 ▶▶ Voz 0db, replying to Fingerache Philip., 10, #544 of 1806 🔗

Best replies…

“Fuck off moron slave”!
“Keep you muzzle on”!
“Have a nice suicide”!
“If only the muzzle prevented morons from talking”!
“Baaa baaa baaa”!

304369 ▶▶▶ Les Tricoteuses, replying to Voz 0db, 12, #545 of 1806 🔗

My reply, if I’m feeling polite, is to say “I can’t understand you, take your mask off” until they do or go away.

304380 ▶▶▶▶ Voz 0db, replying to Les Tricoteuses, 9, #546 of 1806 🔗

Indeed if one is feeling calm and relaxed “What? Sorry? What?” until they get it!

304395 ▶▶▶▶▶ Les Tricoteuses, replying to Voz 0db, 7, #547 of 1806 🔗

Adding a slight speech impediment and a mad stare can end the encounter quickly.

304544 ▶▶▶▶ William Hand, replying to Les Tricoteuses, 3, #548 of 1806 🔗

I always become quite deaf in situations like that. “What did you say? Sorry cannot hear you with that mask on”. They either lower it and speak or turn away. Result either way.

304393 ▶▶▶ Danny, replying to Voz 0db, 13, #549 of 1806 🔗

I have a range of response, depending on my mood and whether my young daughter is with me at the time.
The best one in shops when a customer confronts you is to smile and ask them to wait there while you fetch the manager to report the abuse.
Guarantee they will vanish.
Another approach is to ask them what the hell they are doing being out in the middle of a plague, if that is what they truly believe.
LAstly, if a mask protects you, then what are you worried about? If not, then again, why are they out in a pandemic?

304405 ▶▶▶ Fingerache Philip., replying to Voz 0db, 2, #550 of 1806 🔗

Thank you for all your replies, one and all.

305505 ▶▶▶ Borisbullshit, replying to Voz 0db, 1, #551 of 1806 🔗

You’re no mate of mine…get fucked.

304389 ▶▶ JHuntz, replying to Fingerache Philip., 5, #552 of 1806 🔗

A good answer is why?

Most of them have absolutely no idea.

304392 ▶▶ Chess nut, replying to Fingerache Philip., 1, #553 of 1806 🔗

Ask them to say the same thing to you somewhere quiet & not in public as they usually do. These people are cowards & bullies. A threat to them works wonders no matter how small you maybe. Just remember Joe Pesci (whatever his name is) in that scene in Goodfellas!!!!

304399 ▶▶ Crystal Decanter, replying to Fingerache Philip., 11, #554 of 1806 🔗

Got stopped by Corona Stasi about my exemption
Gave the name and address of someone I absolutely detest
job done

304447 ▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to Crystal Decanter, #555 of 1806 🔗

Name and address ?

304468 ▶▶▶▶ Crystal Decanter, replying to JohnB, #556 of 1806 🔗

Yes – it happens from time to time in big cities

304562 ▶▶▶▶▶ Nigel Sherratt, replying to Crystal Decanter, #557 of 1806 🔗

A friend was stopped by two policemen at 0200 on a local back road just over the Swale from ‘The Island’ (whose fault we all ‘know’ it is that we are in Tier 3). They accepted his (true) explanation that he had been surveying elvers (we are a group of local stream botherers trying to improve the health of our chalk stream that suffers from over extraction by Southern Water).

305686 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ David Grimbleby, replying to Nigel Sherratt, #558 of 1806 🔗

So you wriggled out of it…

304366 AnotherSceptic, replying to AnotherSceptic, 13, #559 of 1806 🔗

Remember the “new strain” that was wheeled out on Monday there by none other than Twat Wankcock?

Well, 2 days after that revelation, the scummy daily record has done this article about the “new strain” after 2 days!!!

So, the “new strain” is pretty much like the “vaccine” in that Fuckall is actually known about it, but everyone pretends that they all know something about it.


Utter wankers.

304409 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to AnotherSceptic, 3, #560 of 1806 🔗

Yeah. It’s lies all the way down. This ticks a lot of boxes.

Vaccines confer immunity, so we must get it. But we don’t know so wear a mask and stay home.

Vaccines stop you from passing on the virus. But we can’t be sure so stay home, wear a mask and cancel crimbo.

And asymptomatic super spreaders are everywhere folks


304387 kh1485, replying to kh1485, 27, #561 of 1806 🔗

Oh dear, just had my first bit of kick-back in response to Mable Cow’s brilliant poster – ‘He died …etc’. Said they won’t be coming back because they are so offended. Hit a nerve?

304401 ▶▶ Lockdown_Lunacy, replying to kh1485, 8, #562 of 1806 🔗

Truth hurts.

304388 Voz 0db, 12, #563 of 1806 🔗

Inflating the Covid Death Statistics

Still wasting paint to say “thank you” to these scoundrels?!
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304402 Margaret, replying to Margaret, 15, #564 of 1806 🔗

It’s official! We are being ruled by robots.

A couple of weeks ago, my local paper published an article on “covidiots”, their word for describing all those people who had broken the silly rules.

I posted a comment b.t.l. which included the terms “covidiot” and “anti-vaxxer” of which I said that I was not, but that I was concerned about this particular vaccine especially after what happened with the one for “swine-flu”. I also threw in a load of easily verified facts about Covid-19.

It appears that these three terms above were responsible for my comment being disabled. In correspondence with the customer relations department, I was told that my comment had been disabled because of the first two terms and also because there was some “swearing” in my post.

Those of you who read my posts on here will know that swearing is not my modus operandi, unlike my friend Biker, so I naturally took umbrage and asked for a copy of my comments, even sending the article on “covidiots” to prove my point. Twenty-four hours later, I get an apology to say that it was the fault of A.I. being too sensitive.

For those of a sensitive disposition, please close your eyes and shut your ears:

There, I feel better for that.

304443 ▶▶ JohnB, replying to Margaret, 4, #565 of 1806 🔗


304601 ▶▶▶ Margaret, replying to JohnB, #566 of 1806 🔗

Language Timothy!
With apologies to Ronnie Corbett.

304404 John Galt, replying to John Galt, 7, #567 of 1806 🔗

Barclay did add though that “people will be making their own judgments”, and Health Secretary Matt Hancock said “no” when asked if Christmas could be cancelled. But haven’t we heard that before?

I’m glad that Will posted that, because back on the 28th of October he posted this regarding Boris resisting calls for a national lockdown:

Thank goodness Boris seems so far to be resisting the siren calls of the prophets of doom.

I replied with:

Very naive. He’s not resisting anything. It just isn’t time for the next measures to be put in place yet. Give it a couple of weeks, if that.

I was very optimistic with a couple of weeks, as it was only three days later that he announced a national lockdown.

Their priming tactics are just beyond obvious now, so if we follow the same rationale – measures are mentioned, we’re told they won’t happen, the media and opposition party pressure increases, the government then say “oh, we didn’t want to, but we have to” – expect them to try and keep the rules in place for Christmas.

304426 ▶▶ annie, replying to John Galt, 4, #568 of 1806 🔗

With a heavy heart, no doubt. What bloody heart?bHe hasn’t got one. None of them has. Just lumps of concrete.

304406 Dan L, replying to Dan L, 6, #569 of 1806 🔗


Nadhim Zahawi: “ A really good start to the vaccination program. It’s been 7 days and we have done: England:108,000 Wales: 7,897 Northern Ireland: 4,000. Scotland:18,000 U.K Total 137,897. That number will increase as we have operationalised hundreds of PCN (primary care networks)”

Doesn’t seem that a good a start to me. If my maths is right at that rate it will take about 10 years to vaccinate everyone. Or 6 years if you only vaccinate those who want it according to the polls.

304415 ▶▶ JHuntz, replying to Dan L, 2, #570 of 1806 🔗

True, i’ve looked up the numbers of vaccinating only the vulnerable. Presuming we have roughly 70,000,000 people in the UK with 15% vulnerable. We have 10,500,000 which would take 76 weeks by my maths or roughly a year and a half.

304432 ▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Dan L, 4, #571 of 1806 🔗

Luckily for them BAME people are 50% vaccine doubters, BBC R4 this morning.

304407 nickbowes, replying to nickbowes, 11, #572 of 1806 🔗

What is the point of a third Heathrow runway when no one can travel !

304417 ▶▶ Fingerache Philip., replying to nickbowes, 10, #573 of 1806 🔗


304419 ▶▶▶ calchas, replying to Fingerache Philip., 7, #574 of 1806 🔗

What is the the point of……?

Fill in the blank,

304634 ▶▶ Suze Burtenshaw, replying to nickbowes, #575 of 1806 🔗

This, presumably, is the runway that, if it went ahead, Boris was going to be lying down in front of the bulldozers to prevent being built. That runway?

304408 Alice, replying to Alice, 6, #576 of 1806 🔗

Easter is apparently the new Christmas! No doubt the Church of England will wholeheartedly agree. I’m becoming more and more sarcastic these days…

304423 ▶▶ annie, replying to Alice, 12, #577 of 1806 🔗

The Church of England has abandoned Christianity and become the Cult of Covid. What it says about Christmas or Easter or anything else is therefore irrelevant.

304427 ▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Alice, 3, #578 of 1806 🔗

They just had Esther Ransom on R2 telling how jolly it would be to have Christmas in the summer with Santa wearing swimming trunks like they do in Australia.

304433 ▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to karenovirus, 13, #579 of 1806 🔗

She’s part of the problem – “Everyone knew about Savile …”.

304439 ▶▶▶ Leemc23, replying to karenovirus, 6, #580 of 1806 🔗

Demented. As bad as the current circumstances are. There are lights, trees and a sense of joy in (some) kids. Imagine taking that and making December just like January and February? Christ suicide rates are bad enough now.

304449 ▶▶▶▶ awildgoose, replying to Leemc23, 1, #581 of 1806 🔗

Doing just that may be part of the globalist population control plan.

304456 ▶▶▶ kh1485, replying to karenovirus, 4, #582 of 1806 🔗

Yeah, and the other week she was saying that the way out of this was the elderly to sign up for the vaccine. Some champion of the elderly she is.

304528 ▶▶▶ Nigel Sherratt, replying to karenovirus, 1, #583 of 1806 🔗

‘Ransom’ shall be her name from now on, fits much better. Celebrating the return of the sun just as it starts its downward journey, brilliant!

304410 NappyFace, replying to NappyFace, 39, #584 of 1806 🔗

Feeling very low today. I just can’t get over the brazen lies. The nonsensical death count. The wilful ignoring of all reason. The lurch to 1984. The collaborators. The fact that untruths being repeated enough times have worked to convince the masses.

Something very, very wrong is happening here, and I’m not sure the history books will ever tell the truth, given the resources being pumped into this charade and the large numbers who really believe this virus is an existential crisis for humanity.

The RESPONSE to the virus IS exactly that – an existential threat. Anything could happen from here.

Every so often I imagine that something truly outlandish is going on, simply because I can’t compute the lies and misinformation being pumped out.

Have the politicians and health advisers had their kids taken by aliens, and are following ever more demented instructions for an experiment??

There are many, many more versions of this.

Crazy, crazy thoughts, but the current situation is maddening.

304420 ▶▶ Crystal Decanter, replying to NappyFace, 25, #585 of 1806 🔗

Stay strong – this is exactly what they want
Try doing something every day, even the smallest thing, to stick it to the Coronatarian state
And snigger whilst doing it

305098 ▶▶▶ JanMasarykMunich, replying to Crystal Decanter, #586 of 1806 🔗

Coronatarian. Great word.

304421 ▶▶ karenovirus, replying to NappyFace, 5, #587 of 1806 🔗

I met a fellow sceptic today, sadly she believes it is a worldwide conspiracy to prevent Epsteins victims from getting justice and compensation.

304429 ▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to karenovirus, 3, #588 of 1806 🔗

and the problem with that is … ?

Removing the Epstein case from public scrutiny will undoubtedly be seen as a positive side-effect of the bollocks.

304455 ▶▶▶ Crystal Decanter, replying to karenovirus, 6, #589 of 1806 🔗

It was to reverse 2016
Get rid of Trump (priority)
reverse Brexit (not so much-they may let that one slide for now)

304514 ▶▶▶▶ Nigel Sherratt, replying to Crystal Decanter, 1, #590 of 1806 🔗

Clearly the strategy of Democrats and hangers on, poor in USA and wider world just so much unfortunate collateral damage.

304640 ▶▶▶ Bella Donna, replying to karenovirus, 1, #591 of 1806 🔗

Eh! I’m shaking my head very slowly! Some people cannot be helped.

304701 ▶▶▶ Thomas_E, replying to karenovirus, 5, #592 of 1806 🔗

Cool..at least she is thinking something else that 99% of the people do. Beggars can’t be choosers and we are the beggars at this moment. Who ever doubts and questions the narrative is my ally at the moment even if they believe in lizard people. I still have a lot more in common with them than with the rest of this fucking country.

304424 ▶▶ Foxglove, replying to NappyFace, 18, #593 of 1806 🔗

I feel the same, with all the facts and sense on our side we have made little impact. I only ever encounter normal people on this forum. People in my village regard me as an irresponsible germ spreader, though I am healthy and well. I thought the truth would dawn and they would realise they had behaved hysterically and disproportionately but instead it will all be covered up by the ‘life saving’ vaccine. I have no fears of this virus but I am more locked up than the Covid lovers who simply wrap a cloth rag across their faces and carry on as normal.

304440 ▶▶ RickH, replying to NappyFace, 13, #594 of 1806 🔗

These waves of feeling low are commonplace – they are a mark of sanity and proportion.

Who of us who are sane couldn’t feel negative about the sort of crap that is constantly churned out in news bulletins – and is believed?

There are different ways of dealing with it. Mine involves getting an anchor down into the real data. It helps just to have that confirmation of reality. So yesterday’s fiction about mutated strains of the virus and the attempts by crap scientists to regain control was balanced by looking at information about the number of mutations that take place, and the fact that mortality is well within normal limits, despite yet another casedemic.

No – it doesn’t alter the downside of a population so intensely immersed in hysteria.

But it helps in keeping that sense of proportion and sanity.

304448 ▶▶ awildgoose, replying to NappyFace, 7, #595 of 1806 🔗

I am not a very religious person, but the situation has grown so bizarre that I can only assume there are powerful evil forces at work in the world.

Maybe the Anti-Christ, or even Satan himself really are pulling the strings these days.

305296 ▶▶▶ Ben, replying to awildgoose, #596 of 1806 🔗

The banks, Pharma, Bill Gates, World Economic Forum, WHO, UN etc..

304476 ▶▶ Be Unshakeable, replying to NappyFace, 23, #597 of 1806 🔗

This is your life. It is happening. Right now. And there is very little you can do about the circumstances of it. You can accept it, or you can be upset by it, it matters not, it will not change a thing.

The only thing you can change is your reaction to it, and that is within your control. Many times your reaction to events is the only thing in your control. Ponder this and you will see that it is true. You are adrift on the sea of fortune. You can choose to let this make you miserable, or learn to live with it gracefully.

This is opportunity. An opportunity to grow, to strengthen your mind. We do not grow strong battling weak opponents, we grow strong in adversity.

Now is the time to turn to philosophy or spirituality, time to learn to take charge of your own mind.

If I insult you now, I have stolen your mind, destroyed your calm. How easily do you become insulted or upset? Do you see that your own mind is complicit in the provocation?

Take charge. Find a way. Grow, don’t wilt. You already have a strong foundation of courage. You haven’t been cowed by the greatest fear campaign in history. That counts for something. Build on it. Grow. Now. Right now. Become unshakeable. The time available for you to do so is passing by rapidly.

Plant your feet, stand your ground. This far and no farther.

304923 ▶▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to Be Unshakeable, 2, #598 of 1806 🔗

Very stoic, love it

304508 ▶▶ Mutineer, replying to NappyFace, 10, #599 of 1806 🔗

Me, too. I was told yesterday that my private hip replacement is off unless I let them shove something up my nose. So they will lose 12k just to make me take a risk as I have had 2 previous nasal surgeries and been hospitalised with torrential nosebleeds. I was told that it would be ‘at my own risk’. I was told initially that I could have a throat swab but have been fobbed off by every member of staff, including the surgeon’s secretary since, despite asking repeatedly. Yesterday I told them I was going no further until they told me the truth. I suspect they were going to spring it on me at the pre-op assessment (I even rang them but did not get a firm answer) and hoped that, because everything was planned and organised, I would relent. This is discrimination and I am making a formal complaint but won’t get anywhere. I am seeing a consultant at another hospital in January but suspect it will be the same. I will be making an official complaint but won’t get anywhere.

305298 ▶▶▶ Ben, replying to Mutineer, #600 of 1806 🔗

Still, make the complaint. You have a right to

304526 ▶▶ Nigel Sherratt, replying to NappyFace, 4, #601 of 1806 🔗

I’ve felt that way for the last 20 years about the thermageddon balls, life is hard for anyone with more than a couple of brain cells and some scientific knowlege.

304412 Stuart, replying to Stuart, 7, #602 of 1806 🔗

A great pity Wankers did not become a slopdish of aborted foetal cells. We could have had him in our vaccine.

304633 ▶▶ Bella Donna, replying to Stuart, 2, #603 of 1806 🔗

If only people realised what goes into these vaccines! Its said ignorance is bliss, and for for many out there they’d prefer not to know.

304431 Biggles, replying to Biggles, 14, #604 of 1806 🔗

Chris Whitty likes his graphs but I can’t see him using this one.

304437 ▶▶ Leemc23, replying to Biggles, 14, #605 of 1806 🔗

Chris Whitty. What a prick. Nothing else to add.

304451 ▶▶ RickH, replying to Biggles, 4, #606 of 1806 🔗

Indeed. Then add on the facts that :

  • the ‘Covid deaths are probably over-estimated
  • the ‘five year average’ actually exaggerates the relative level of deaths in 2020, since those five years have had an anomalously low mortality rate.
304521 ▶▶ TimeIsNow, replying to Biggles, 5, #607 of 1806 🔗

Wow. Nothing has happened since May 1st that in any way justifies this grinding destruction of the capital. I’ve been saying this to people for a while but good to have a graphic. Mortality has been increasing 1.5% a year due to demographics, not accounted for here and it still shows nothing since May. Small Autumn excess could easily be caused by lockdown impact on health plus below avg numbers in the summer. Covid was mostly gone in May, it hasn’t come back and it isn’t going to.

304671 ▶▶ kenadams, replying to Biggles, 3, #608 of 1806 🔗

At least half of the big spike was because of lockdown, mostly by emptying hospitals and seeding old people’s homes.

304435 davews, replying to davews, 6, #609 of 1806 🔗

Just back from a choir session at our church, about six of us, who has recorded the carols to be sung at our Zoom carol service next Sunday. I had nightmares that all would be singing in masks but thankfully no, just had to sit a metre apart with the suggestion we couldn’t turn and face the person next to you in case it spread the nasty… This is all allowed in the current rules. Good to be able to have a good sing again, first time since March. But from the chat it is clear that they are all 100% covid converts.

304452 ▶▶ Ed Phillips, replying to davews, 3, #610 of 1806 🔗

Why aren’t you opening the church for the service?

304461 ▶▶ Harry hopkins, replying to davews, 10, #611 of 1806 🔗

‘This is all allowed in the current rules’

Who’s rules? The mad cabal that pose as our government? Sorry Dave, whilst I appreciate your love of singing, by participating in this kind of insane behaviour you are condoning it. Please don’t take offence at these words but the only way we will get back to ‘normal’ is if we act normal and refuse to engage in the ‘new normal’ which, to me is becoming a ridiculous hell on earth.

304792 ▶▶▶ davews, replying to Harry hopkins, 2, #612 of 1806 🔗

Well we all have different views on here and we have to accept that rather than criticising. I don’t agree with yours. Please leave it there thankyou.

305802 ▶▶ Cheshirecatslave, replying to davews, #613 of 1806 🔗

We had a carol service in church with a good number disobeying the order not to sing. The vicar did take us outside for 10 minutes to sing carols as loudly as we wished.

304436 Harry hopkins, replying to Harry hopkins, 16, #614 of 1806 🔗

The ‘virus’ has NEVER been isolated but even among sceptics most believe that it has. If it hasn’t been isolated how can it be the cause of a pandemic? How can it be tested for? And, indeed, how can a vaccine be produced against it? The whole shoddy and murderous nine months that have just passed are best described as a fear induced scamdemic to whip up frenzy and obedience so that those who are controlling this ‘war on humanity’ can transform the world to their design. Conspiracy theory? A year ago I would have said of course it is. Now?….anyone who doesn’t see what’s really happening is blind as well as foolish.

304438 ▶▶ Crystal Decanter, replying to Harry hopkins, 8, #615 of 1806 🔗

They don’t need to isolate the virus there are plenty of Coronas out there
They can just pick one and call it whatever they like

304458 ▶▶ Julian, replying to Harry hopkins, 6, #616 of 1806 🔗

I don’t KNOW the virus has been isolated in the sense that I am not a scientist and I haven’t SEEN it, so I suppose it’s true to say I BELIEVE it has been – my understanding of the evidence of it leads me to this belief. New viruses do appear.

But I don’t see that it matters much one way or another and tend to think it’s yet another distraction from the key point which is that MORTALITY IS NOT EXCEPTIONAL ANYWHERE IN THE WORLD. That is what our case rests on – extraordinary measures are not warranted.

304473 ▶▶▶ mhcp, replying to Julian, 3, #617 of 1806 🔗

This is the key. You could simply bracket a range of conditions and as long as you eliminate enough others that’ll be your Covid. The size and impact of that is what matters. And it doesn’t appear at all to be more than usual.

Conflating symptoms with other things to produce an exaggerated mess is what we have here.

304499 ▶▶ Old Normal, replying to Harry hopkins, 3, #618 of 1806 🔗

I read somewhere but can’t remember where now, that they’d isolated parts of a Coronavirus but a fraction of what a full virus sequence should be and said it was a new virus.

I’ve not seen anything published that says the full virus sequence has been isolated but it may well have. Who knows anything anymore?

304525 ▶▶▶ Crystal Decanter, replying to Old Normal, 2, #619 of 1806 🔗

Well if they have isolated Sars1 then there is no real need to isolate Sars2.
I would wager that Sars1 didn’t “disappear” as we were told but made it round the world as a bog standard Corona Cold without any fuss

304902 ▶▶ Ben, replying to Harry hopkins, 1, #620 of 1806 🔗

I read somewhere that COVID is not actually a disease but an acronym for symptoms caused by coronaviruses.

304442 calchas, 12, #621 of 1806 🔗

We need to get hold of this ‘vaccine’, to find out what the bloody hell is in it.

Analyse it.


304445 Leemc23, replying to Leemc23, 9, #622 of 1806 🔗

My 86 year old Grandmother is heading out for her vaccination today.

I can’t quite figure if that is good or bad. I fear the latter & 86….come on be realistic.

304450 ▶▶ Gerry Mandarin, replying to Leemc23, 6, #623 of 1806 🔗

At 86 it is almost certainly a good thing. There is a risk but it is so low the benefits outweigh it.

BTW, at 47 and rude health, the only way I’m having the vaccine is strapped down in a chair against my will.

304467 ▶▶▶ calchas, replying to Gerry Mandarin, 11, #624 of 1806 🔗

What benefits?

Is there a disease it protects you against?

Do you know what the vaccine contains?

‘pathogenic ‘priming’

Now, there’s an expression to play with.

304469 ▶▶▶ RickH, replying to Gerry Mandarin, 16, #625 of 1806 🔗

At 86 it is almost certainly a good thing.”

Not so fast, Gerry. Snake oil’s potential downside could be worse for the vulnerable – just like the virus.

304901 ▶▶▶ Ben, replying to Gerry Mandarin, 1, #626 of 1806 🔗

The vaccine *may* cause an elevated immune response, which may be dangerous in the elderly, or anyone


304457 ▶▶ Victoria, replying to Leemc23, 9, #627 of 1806 🔗

A good immune system will also protect her. That includes optimal vitamin D levels

304896 ▶▶ Ben, replying to Leemc23, #628 of 1806 🔗

This helped me to decide for myself (link below). It seems, however, that many people have blind trust in Pharma and their governments and are simply not interested in taking responsibility for their own health.

From Robin Monotti Graziadei’s Twitter feed, Vitamin D supplementation seems to be the answer.


304453 Victoria, replying to Victoria, 7, #629 of 1806 🔗

Who indeed. The only thing is that vaccine doesn’t give you or anyone else immunity. Did they tell you that @PrueLeith ?


304665 ▶▶▶ Victoria, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 1, #631 of 1806 🔗

People who take the vaccine still need to stay locked up at home and wear a mask, says MSNBC’s @VinGuptaMD

. They don’t want it to ever end until they get the Great Reset.

304496 ▶▶ stefarm, replying to Victoria, 4, #632 of 1806 🔗

She didn’t get it, all pretend

304892 ▶▶ Ben, replying to Victoria, #633 of 1806 🔗

Did she have the same vaccine Sadiq Khan had (the plastic tip still attached to the syringe) or is it benign? Are we expected to believe she took a rushed, indemnified, experimental vaccine predicted to cause unpleasant side effects? If there are indeed different vaccines for the wealthy and the famous, how is this organised?

305302 ▶▶ Two-Six, replying to Victoria, #634 of 1806 🔗

Hopefully she won’t get a soggy bottom, or paralysed legs. Muppet

304459 BeBopRockSteady, 1, #635 of 1806 🔗



Interesting stuff. So if I read this right, the N gene targeted by RT-PCR can be expressed naturally, under stress.

So it can pick up a naturally occurring sequence of RNA in your body?

Can anyone break it down? Very technical.

304460 DRW, replying to DRW, 26, #636 of 1806 🔗

Hi all, I did not sleep well last night, was up to at least 3am just in a sort of despair.
Admittedly I wasn’t in a great mood with the previous arguments, Zoom University, the poor weather, seasonal depression and grief. But seriously, this would be over quickly if everyone all said it was and stopped complying. The Liverpool gym defiance is one of our few victories. Yet thanks to the continuing obedience of the sheeple masses they can keep getting away with of this all the way into the planned dystopian hell. We keep hoping eventually there will be a turning point, one action too far, but there’s seemingly nothing they won’t put up with anymore. Many times we have predicted this won’t/can’t last much longer yet here we still are after 9 months with no end in sight. I mean we’re clearly being softened up for the cancellation of Christmas (wait for it: “with a heavy heart”) for fucks’ sake. And Easter as the new Christmas? What’s stopping them from just cancelling a second consecutive Easter then? Or everything forever if they can just keep shelling out the furlough funny money?

All we can do is keep trying to press on with as much defiance as we can. As others have posted today resistance movements fought for years in small numbers yet eventually ended up on the right side of history. We can only persist in the faint belief that the truth will eventually prevail. However I accept suicide might eventually be the only way out, the sheeples can enjoy their hell themselves. My family might finally understand once it’s too late.

304466 ▶▶ mhcp, replying to DRW, 7, #637 of 1806 🔗

In the spirit of Keynes:

The market can remain irrational longer than you can remain solvent.

Society can remain delusional longer than you can remain sane.

Just keep building contingency.

304481 ▶▶▶ Nigel Sherratt, replying to mhcp, 2, #638 of 1806 🔗

The only thing I knew how to do
Was to keep on keepin’ on like a bird that flew
Tangled up in blue

304529 ▶▶▶▶ Marialta, replying to Nigel Sherratt, #639 of 1806 🔗

Where are those lines from? Would like to read more

304531 ▶▶▶▶▶ OKUK, replying to Marialta, #640 of 1806 🔗

Dylan, Blood on the Tracks I think, there’s also the very appropriate Idiot Wind on that album.

304607 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Marialta, replying to OKUK, #641 of 1806 🔗


304482 ▶▶ PhilipF, replying to DRW, 14, #642 of 1806 🔗

I’ve long believed that this doesn’t end until it can no longer be supported financially. Notions of freedom, decency, rationality and proportionality clearly mean nothing to the majority of people in this country.

304488 ▶▶▶ Nigel Sherratt, replying to PhilipF, 6, #643 of 1806 🔗

When will we know that? It’s already well beyong that point on any rational basis. We shall end up selling everything to CCP (like USA in WW2) to eek out a miserable existence. At least then we could be proud of beggaring ourselves to prevent catastrophe. Now we’re complicit in creating the catastrophe and the majority are happy that we are.

304513 ▶▶▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to Nigel Sherratt, 3, #644 of 1806 🔗

Then just feather your nest. It’s what I intend doing.

304511 ▶▶▶ Crystal Decanter, replying to PhilipF, 6, #645 of 1806 🔗

When people start to go hungry – this ends
all revolutions are driven by hunger

304527 ▶▶▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Crystal Decanter, 1, #646 of 1806 🔗

Most revolutions are fueled by over educating the under employed.

304518 ▶▶▶ karenovirus, replying to PhilipF, 5, #647 of 1806 🔗

Mark Carney was remarkably good on this delivering the Reith Lecture today.
He pointed out that costs of Covid and lockdown are borne disproportionately by the young, the poor and BAME. Cost in societal, healthcare, employment, insecurity, soon higher taxes and that they and their children will be repaying the huge sums used to bail out the middle classes and businesses.

304539 ▶▶▶ annie, replying to PhilipF, 9, #648 of 1806 🔗

Sunak is the key. Without his farcical money tree, whacking out the furlough, this shitfest would end overnight. If you ask me, he’s the most poisonous of them all.

304485 ▶▶ Thomas_E, replying to DRW, 25, #649 of 1806 🔗

All of the above is true. There will be no turning point, we are not winning and the compliance with every single stupid rule is almost total. We are now the Japanese soldiers on Pacific islands , still fighting a war we have lost long time ago. Despite all that, suicide is not the answer, trust me I know ! I have had a gun in my mouth nd the finger on the trigger, literally not figuratively. I’m struggling with these every day and suffer with CPTSD. But you must live as that is greatest FU to them . Your death will not change anything and nobody will magickly get the wool off their eyes because of it. You are not alone so we must keep fighting.

304506 ▶▶▶ Nigel Sherratt, replying to Thomas_E, 2, #650 of 1806 🔗

Very good, thanks.

304519 ▶▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to Thomas_E, 4, #651 of 1806 🔗

Not quite as pessimistic as you, but we must keep fighting.

304546 ▶▶▶ annie, replying to Thomas_E, 9, #652 of 1806 🔗

If you say we are losing, it means you are losing. I’m not losing. I’m fighting, I’m surviving, and I am NOT going to whine and sit down and despair.

305227 ▶▶▶ David Grimbleby, replying to Thomas_E, 1, #653 of 1806 🔗

Don’t let the bastards grind you down…ever…

304504 ▶▶ Crystal Decanter, replying to DRW, 6, #654 of 1806 🔗

“Individually we are weak as a single twig
but as a bundle, we form a mighty faggot “

304549 ▶▶▶ annie, replying to Crystal Decanter, 5, #655 of 1806 🔗

We have the mighty faggot. It’s called Fetida Dick.

304577 ▶▶▶ Bella Donna, replying to Crystal Decanter, 1, #656 of 1806 🔗

🤣 🤣 🤣

304509 ▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to DRW, 9, #657 of 1806 🔗

The furlough money won’t last much longer. And when the tax take is severely truncated… Don’t end it, hang onto the popcorn. It’s about to be an interesting year.

304547 ▶▶▶ JHuntz, replying to Nick Rose, 5, #658 of 1806 🔗

I’m not sure Nick. What is our economy anyway we appear to just live off artificial paper that bears no reality to actual economic activity?

I don’t see anything that stops the government printing more money in March to parachute people further?

304583 ▶▶▶ Bella Donna, replying to Nick Rose, 4, #659 of 1806 🔗

Interesting year? I wonder if we’ve hit rock bottom yet. The New Year will see which way the wind is going to blow.

304599 ▶▶ Tom in Scotland, replying to DRW, 13, #660 of 1806 🔗

Don’t give up. You are right about the situation being very difficult, but if it does finally change – which I think it will for several reasons – it will change very quickly. Once the sheeple finally come to understand the economic disaster, the social consequences, the impact on our freedom, and the fact that this shitshow will continue unless we say no to it, things will change. Fatigue is already setting in. Yes, you see lots of Covidians (and others who are not true believers but are going along with it), but you are not seeing those of us who are staying home and avoiding the shitshow, and I suspect there are many of us who are sceptical and just keeping our head down.

Things cannot continue like this indefinitely. I expect that getting together for the holidays, which people will do regardless of the ‘rules’, will allow people to compare notes as well as see what it’s like to be with other human beings, and this will help to push things along.

I know it’s difficult and I also struggle to sleep (though my insomnia pre-dates the Rona). I also lost my mother this year and am very frustrated with my own ‘Zoom University’ (but from a lecturer’s standpoint). As bad as this dystopia is, however, I cannot see it going on indefinitely for a variety of reasons and we need to hang in there and not ‘catastrophise’ all the time, even though I fully understand that things are bad and could potentially get worse; indeed, they may need to get worse so that people finally snap out of it.

Focus on whatever you can still do that you enjoy and try to avoid the Covidians, either online or in public. I appreciate what you are doing to get the message out in your community – that’s very important – but do take some days off and focus on something else sometimes.

304891 ▶▶ Ben, replying to DRW, 5, #661 of 1806 🔗

If MPs/Government ministers are pushing people to suicide then they should enable assisted suicide laws.

Cause and effect needs to be established.

I want to see Crimes Against Humanity criminal trials and for politicians (and others) to take responsibility for constituents who killed themselves. According to academics 130,000 died prematurely from Government ‘austerity’ policies and 111,000 DWP benefits claimants died/took their own lives because of ‘assessment tests’ – but no one gave a sh*t. So I have little hope.

However, if we’re going to die anyway then call the crimes out.

304465 PhilipF, replying to PhilipF, 18, #662 of 1806 🔗

There’s a “drama” on radio 4 at the moment about Covid and Sweden. It’s pure agitprop against the Swedish approach. As drama it’s absolutely puerile. It’s just a vehicle for the writer’s politics.
The BBC doesn’t even bother to hide its agenda these days.

304475 ▶▶ Nigel Sherratt, replying to PhilipF, 2, #663 of 1806 🔗

I can imagine, I stopped listening to all BBC output some time ago. The dramas were one of the good things but little by little the rot got in. The Archers was one of the first indicators, it went from the amusing game of who was first to spot the Min. of Ag. public announcement that week to wokest of woke. Even Radio 3 started aping Classic FM.

This is much better.


304515 ▶▶▶ OKUK, replying to Nigel Sherratt, 3, #664 of 1806 🔗

Radio Swiss Classic is more like Radio 3 in the 80s (minus the Test Match Special (of limited interest to the good folk of Switzerland) ie plays 90% actual classical music (just a little sophisticated jazz thrown in) with a unadorned announcements. Downside is it is in German. Hope to get an Internet Radio so I can programme in some decent classical and other music stations minus PC ideology.

The Archers became unbearably PC long ago…complete with women cricketers who could knock spots off male cricketers. You wouldn’t be surprised to hear something like the following:

“What are you going to make for the Summer fete, Clarrie? ”

“I’m making an embroidered Black Lives Matter banner complete with a picture of Malcolm X…”

“Oh well done, Clarrie. Racism in the countryside is a real issue. The sooner we get to grips with it the better. Talking of which, I hope I’ll see you at the Stop Racist and Sexist Morris Dancing protest on Tuesday. ”

“You will, no fear! I’ll be there – all tooled up as per usual.” [She laughs insanely.]

304550 ▶▶▶ Will, replying to Nigel Sherratt, #665 of 1806 🔗

The Rewilding of Brookfield finished me off.

304471 godowneasy, 10, #666 of 1806 🔗

Just to lighten today’s mood here is the Weather forecast.

Today – mostly shit with tiny bright spells. Dark clouds coming in from all directions. Rain – loads of it – all very wet. Wind – up. Risk of death from being outside – moderate to high (0.000001%).

Tomorrow – more shit, total blackout – the sky caved in. Pressure very low – Risk of raining cats and dogs – wear a helmet if going outdoors. Wind – further up. Risk of death from being outside – worse (up to 0.00001%).

Outlook – shit continues, totally grim, raining frogs, dogs and sheep, hail stones – big chunky ones, swirling darkness all around, no light at the end of the tunnel, thunder, lightning, tornadoes  – the whole shebang. Stay indoors long term. Risk of death from being outside – exponential (0.0001%).

304474 captainbeefheart, replying to captainbeefheart, 27, #667 of 1806 🔗

Todays prayer…
, comment image

304477 ▶▶ captainbeefheart, replying to captainbeefheart, 3, #668 of 1806 🔗

Probably deserves about 1/10 for effort to be fair…

304483 ▶▶▶ Tom Blackburn, replying to captainbeefheart, 13, #669 of 1806 🔗

How do people watch that (Wanksock ’emoting’ on GMTV) and not see a bullshitter?

The mind boggles.

304560 ▶▶▶▶ Bella Donna, replying to Tom Blackburn, 6, #670 of 1806 🔗

Some People are unable or unwilling to believe in Evil.

304530 ▶▶ Hieronimusb, replying to captainbeefheart, 2, #671 of 1806 🔗

Understand that anything real is dangerous, only fakes are safe.

304542 ▶▶ KBuchanan, replying to captainbeefheart, 7, #672 of 1806 🔗

That pic proper cheered me up , thank you 😊

304557 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to captainbeefheart, 14, #673 of 1806 🔗

He’s laughing at all of us

304997 ▶▶▶ Ben, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 3, #674 of 1806 🔗

Some people are calling it duping delight

304478 Tom Blackburn, replying to Tom Blackburn, 8, #675 of 1806 🔗

How I see today/next few days panning out…

Manchester into Tier 2,
Londoners push for a cancelled Christmas,
Pfeffel “holds out” against the confected pressure to “save” Christmas.

New Year; numbers up. Northerners blamed.

304491 ▶▶ RickH, replying to Tom Blackburn, 6, #676 of 1806 🔗

The question is ‘which numbers’? Will it be a continuing seasonally normal rise in mortality (which can peak in January), or the artificial new casedemic figures?

304497 ▶▶▶ Tom Blackburn, replying to RickH, 2, #677 of 1806 🔗

They will take their pick

304523 ▶▶▶▶ Hieronimusb, replying to Tom Blackburn, 3, #678 of 1806 🔗

And encourage us to ‘take your prick’.

304503 ▶▶ Nigel Sherratt, replying to Tom Blackburn, 2, #679 of 1806 🔗

Plus ‘those people’ from Isle of Sheppey.

304576 ▶▶▶ tonyspurs, replying to Nigel Sherratt, 2, #680 of 1806 🔗

Oi leave us Swampies out of it

304545 ▶▶ Will, replying to Tom Blackburn, 4, #681 of 1806 🔗

I just don’t think they can fiddle the numbers anymore because too many people are onto them.

304609 ▶▶▶ Tom Blackburn, replying to Will, #682 of 1806 🔗

Let’s see…

304777 ▶▶ A. Contrarian, replying to Tom Blackburn, #683 of 1806 🔗

More places into tier 3 too I bet.

304486 Ben, 12, #684 of 1806 🔗

Not today Satan Government, not today

304489 Thomas_E, replying to Thomas_E, 20, #685 of 1806 🔗

This is what I posted on my family’s WhatsA group:

But it was all right, everything was all right, the struggle was finished. He had won the victory over himself. He loved Big Brother.
It did not go down well 🙂

304502 ▶▶ Ed Phillips, replying to Thomas_E, 7, #686 of 1806 🔗

I finally got the ending of that today. I always thought it was so bleak.
But after a just a short period of totalitarianism I can see how easy it is to just go along with everything.

Not that I will do that…

304492 p02099003, 6, #687 of 1806 🔗

O little town of Birmingham
How still we see thee lie!
Above thy deep and dreamless sleep
The silent stars go by
Yet in the tier 3 street no light
As all the fears of the past year
Are met in thee tonight

304493 karenovirus, replying to karenovirus, 31, #688 of 1806 🔗

Some woman on Jeremy Vines show is meeting her elderly parents at a motorway service station to exchange Xmas gifts ‘safely’.
Probably one of those with a footbridge linking both sides. Puts me in mind of exchanging prisoners at Checkpoint Charlie

304498 ▶▶ Ben, replying to karenovirus, 34, #689 of 1806 🔗

I’m afraid this family has already died. They just don’t realise it

304548 ▶▶▶ Bella Donna, replying to Ben, 5, #690 of 1806 🔗

Excellent point Ben!

304510 ▶▶ Be Unshakeable, replying to karenovirus, 17, #691 of 1806 🔗

People seem to be enjoying the novelty of life like this, as peverse as such a thing could be. They would never admit it, of course, not even to themselves. But the enthusiasm for absurdity is palpable. And hilarious.

304520 ▶▶▶ Marialta, replying to Be Unshakeable, 12, #692 of 1806 🔗

As majority of population worship no God this is filling the gap the whole nurturing and caring society which they mistakingly believe they are part of. It’s desperate stakes.

304532 ▶▶▶▶ annie, replying to Marialta, 19, #693 of 1806 🔗

Covid is their god. What an appalling spiritual void must be in them if Covid is all they can find to fill it. And as the churches also worship Covid, what a pit of slime they have become.

304553 ▶▶▶▶▶ Be Unshakeable, replying to annie, 8, #694 of 1806 🔗

Anyone who claims an intermediary is necessary between you and the animating priciple of creation is trying to sell you something.

304699 ▶▶▶▶▶ awildgoose, replying to annie, 5, #695 of 1806 🔗


You and Marialta are precisely correct.

Corona is the sophisticated wokester’s satanic new deity.

Those hokey Jesus and Buddha dudes just aren’t cool enough these days.

304857 ▶▶▶▶ Ben, replying to Marialta, 2, #696 of 1806 🔗

There are plenty of religious people who are worshiping at the Covid altar, including religious leaders and the Vatican

305240 ▶▶▶▶ David Grimbleby, replying to Marialta, 1, #697 of 1806 🔗

It now has ritualistic and ‘religious ‘overtones now definitely.

304571 ▶▶▶ kh1485, replying to Be Unshakeable, 12, #698 of 1806 🔗

As I’ve said before, this shitshow is probably the most exciting thing to have happened in many people’s lives.

304594 ▶▶▶▶ Be Unshakeable, replying to kh1485, 6, #699 of 1806 🔗

Yes, I think you’re right on the money. A little doom to get the juices flowing. The grey office people haven’t felt this alive since their first teenage knee-trembler.

304598 ▶▶▶▶ CGL, replying to kh1485, 3, #700 of 1806 🔗

I think you’re right but how can they wallow in other peoples misery. It makes me physically sick to think of all the suffering.

304621 ▶▶▶▶▶ Alan P, replying to CGL, 1, #701 of 1806 🔗

Now I’ve got Father Ted’s mrs Doyle in my head in response to the teas made salesman trying to sell her the gadget. “I like the pain and misery”!

304649 ▶▶▶▶▶ Be Unshakeable, replying to CGL, 3, #702 of 1806 🔗

(Because they don’t actually give a shit. Not really)

304704 ▶▶▶▶▶ Bella Donna, replying to CGL, #703 of 1806 🔗

A lot of people don’t realise there are an awful lot of mentally ill people about, just because they have a government job doesn’t make them a well balanced human being.

305070 ▶▶▶▶ Cranmer, replying to kh1485, 4, #704 of 1806 🔗

Agreed. The people who seem to love Lockdown the most are those folk who never seem to actually DO anything. They don’t go to pubs, cinemas or theatres, they don’t go to church, they don’t get involved with their local community. Walking the dog or going to Tesco’s is probably the most exciting thing in their life. So they couldn’t really care less about lockdowns.

304536 ▶▶ stefarm, replying to karenovirus, 10, #705 of 1806 🔗

They think it’s just for this year and something to tell the grandkids in years to come, ‘what jolly good fun we had in the great covid pandemic of 2020’.

I wonder how they fancy doing it every year?? It hasn’t dawned on them yet, they are never getting their normal back!

304638 ▶▶▶ leggy, replying to stefarm, 12, #706 of 1806 🔗

This is it. The masses still think this is temporary. As Neil Oliver puts it, this is just season one, episode one of the pandemic box set.

304670 ▶▶ thinkaboutit, replying to karenovirus, 2, #707 of 1806 🔗

Haha! Funeral in Berlin.

304775 ▶▶ A. Contrarian, replying to karenovirus, 1, #708 of 1806 🔗

I hope they’re going to quarantine and disinfect the gifts.

305410 ▶▶ SweetBabyCheeses, replying to karenovirus, 1, #709 of 1806 🔗

I heard this too – but then the next guy they had on chastised her choices for being too dangerous still as they were going to be vulnerable people going out in public! I despair.

304500 Caramel, replying to Caramel, 14, #710 of 1806 🔗

When a sports star or actor would win person of the year type awards, people would say that the ‘everyday heroes’ like teachers or nurses should win. It was inane virtue signalling back then and now it’s on steroids. I loathe the everyday hero thing so much.

I’d walk past billboards thanking nurses and delivery drivers and cringe. It was especially ridiculous because Australia didn’t have any of the excuses that the UK did.

304561 ▶▶ Janice21, replying to Caramel, 18, #711 of 1806 🔗

It sickens me when they bang on about being ‘on the front line’. It’s not a bloody war, it’s your job you signed up for.

304566 ▶▶▶ RickH, replying to Janice21, 2, #712 of 1806 🔗

Don’t blame the troops for what is imposed on them.

304615 ▶▶▶▶ Alan P, replying to RickH, 5, #713 of 1806 🔗

I do when they fall prey to the Covid lunacy! My retinopathy nurse who refused to see me maskless as she was shielding. How many combat troops do you know who’ve signed up but don’t want to be shot at?

304727 ▶▶▶▶▶ Sam Vimes, replying to Alan P, 1, #714 of 1806 🔗

There was the one that was suing because he got cold on training…

304815 ▶▶▶ Crystal Decanter, replying to Janice21, 1, #715 of 1806 🔗

those tiktok routines are exhausting though

304606 ▶▶ Tom Blackburn, replying to Caramel, 2, #716 of 1806 🔗

Princess Nut Nut – PETA person of the year 😙

304666 ▶▶▶ Will, replying to Tom Blackburn, #717 of 1806 🔗

Did you have to use that language.

304685 ▶▶▶ peter, replying to Tom Blackburn, #718 of 1806 🔗

Nut the Slut

304719 ▶▶ mhcp, replying to Caramel, 3, #719 of 1806 🔗

I’m no longer religious but I believe this is why Christianity is so powerful. And it’s amazing why it seems to be infested with those of weak faith.

Yeah Jesus rose from the dead, but in the story he’s not so sure. After all in Mark we get “Eloi Eloi Lemma Sabachtani” (My God My God why have you forsaken me?) before it was watered down in the other Gospels.

Jesus goes through brutalisation over some days to get to redemption. Literally dying for others’ sins.

Now you don’t have to be religious to think that’s hardcore. Like Buddha with the tree or even Odin with the World Tree (Yggdrasil). In fact crucifixation is a figurative tree too.

But since we don’t really follow Buddism in the West and we have Christianity, there’s a certain archetype of sacrifice and resilience.

Where are all the heroes now?

304505 Sir Patrick Vaccine, 8, #720 of 1806 🔗

<b>Stop this pro lockdown nonsense. Actions speak louder that words. Beth Rigby and Kay Burley have demonstrated clearly that the entire media and political class know the The Corona hysteria is a load of nonsense.</b>

<i><b>Dr JOHN LEE saw through the nonsense early on. He was once allowed to write in the Spectator.</b></i>

<i>The clampdown that is just bureaucratic insanity: Dr JOHN LEE argues that putting London into Tier 3 lockdown could cripple the capital</i>


304524 kh1485, replying to kh1485, 16, #721 of 1806 🔗

This is getting ridiculous. I no longer recognise people’s faces but rather their wretched face masks. One just now with a Joker one – apt!

304534 ▶▶ Crystal Decanter, replying to kh1485, 12, #722 of 1806 🔗

I know maskless is the way to go but I do enjoy wearing a full balaclava with ski mask into shops
Sorry not sorry

304575 ▶▶▶ richard riewer, replying to Crystal Decanter, 8, #723 of 1806 🔗

Me too. It unsettles people. Banks don’t like it either.

304586 ▶▶▶▶ Crystal Decanter, replying to richard riewer, 5, #724 of 1806 🔗

Shoplifters paradise.

304689 ▶▶▶ awildgoose, replying to Crystal Decanter, 2, #725 of 1806 🔗

Keep agreeing and amplifying!

In fact, go completely mental when anyone questions the balaclava.

304723 ▶▶▶ Ovis, replying to Crystal Decanter, 2, #726 of 1806 🔗

Okay, but at least cut out the mouth and nose. How else are you supposed to breathe?

304533 Will, replying to Will, 6, #727 of 1806 🔗

I am going to grant myself the, extremely dangerous, feeling of the beginning of the mildest sense of optimism that Johnson has finally rediscovered his testicles. Doubtless I will pay heavily for such folly.

304538 ▶▶ captainbeefheart, replying to Will, 5, #728 of 1806 🔗

Does this mean he’s going to have another 357 children?

304559 ▶▶▶ Will, replying to captainbeefheart, 8, #729 of 1806 🔗

I actually hope he starts philandering again so the dreadful Princess Nut Nut pisses off and does us all a favour.

304541 ▶▶ Bella Donna, replying to Will, 4, #730 of 1806 🔗

LOL! Lets not be too hasty!

304558 ▶▶ RickH, replying to Will, 3, #731 of 1806 🔗

His testicles are the only thing he’s never neglected.

304563 ▶▶ Darryl, replying to Will, 2, #732 of 1806 🔗

You will be bitterly disappointed. They are all actors playing the public for fools. Andrew Cuomo’s Emmy Award is a bit of a giveaway.

304572 ▶▶ Ben, replying to Will, 8, #733 of 1806 🔗

Johnson is obeying orders from the globally orchestrated Covid Cabal. The UK would need a leader like Belarus’ Alexander Lukashenko (he said ‘NO’ to offers of a loan in exchange for imposing lockdown and restrictions. The MSM have since demonised Belarus). It’s not gonna happen. Starmer is worse than Johnson

304584 ▶▶ Be Unshakeable, replying to Will, 1, #734 of 1806 🔗

They are safe and sound, in Nut Nut’s handbag.

304639 ▶▶ Jonathan Palmer, replying to Will, 7, #735 of 1806 🔗

Lockdown in January will convince you otherwise.The fuss over Christmas was pure theatre.They know they will be ignored and it’s unenforceable anyway.It suits them for us to mix over Christmas;it’s a ready made excuse for lockdown 3.Wales are not even bothering with the pretence.

304646 ▶▶▶ TheBluePill, replying to Jonathan Palmer, #736 of 1806 🔗

Unless we get another set of useful evidence for the government to try to ignore, similar to the lack of an outbreak after the BLM marches and “irresponsible” seaside attendance.

304717 ▶▶▶▶ Ovis, replying to TheBluePill, 2, #737 of 1806 🔗

Would it even matter? Who cares about evidence now? Vallance can just draw a graph.

304751 ▶▶▶▶▶ richard riewer, replying to Ovis, #738 of 1806 🔗

Draw a graph exposing Vallance’s graft.

304708 ▶▶ mhcp, replying to Will, #739 of 1806 🔗

I think Boris has the secret flexibility of a dog or cat. Because when he seems to want to lick his own balls he does. And we’re all just left staring at the abomination

304768 ▶▶ A. Contrarian, replying to Will, 1, #740 of 1806 🔗

But we thought that in Sept/Oct when he resisted the circuit breaker before caving in yet again.

304535 Number 6, replying to Number 6, 7, #741 of 1806 🔗

Déjà vu
Just been going back to 1968 with a box set of the early ITV series “The Prisoner”. WOW one of the best examples of Déjà vu when compared to where we have arrived today! Even down to the bland voices of the Radio anouncer welcoming each new day – So 2020 BBC ! The function of the Village Hospital is —— well words fail me.
Question, is Boris Number 2 and who the Fuck is Number 1 ????

304605 ▶▶ Tenchy, replying to Number 6, #742 of 1806 🔗

I seem to recall from the last episode – brilliant series, incidentally – that the Civil Service was sort of suggested as Number 1, but I can’t be sure.

304697 ▶▶▶ Arkansas, replying to Tenchy, 1, #743 of 1806 🔗

Not quite. Inflection is all. The bars close, just as they do in the opening sequence, at the end when he is “free”.

“Who is Number 1?”
“You are [,] Number 6.”

304696 ▶▶ anon, replying to Number 6, #744 of 1806 🔗

excelleny tv show

the prisoner is full of cult symbology to boot

304759 ▶▶▶ kf99, replying to anon, 2, #745 of 1806 🔗

“I will not be pushed, filed, stamped, indexed, briefed, debriefed or numbered. My life is my own.”

305191 ▶▶▶ anon, replying to anon, #746 of 1806 🔗


304729 ▶▶ Mr Dee, replying to Number 6, #747 of 1806 🔗

I wear my Prisoner t-shirt with pride.

Ironically, the people who currently live in Portmeirion will be imprisoned themselves after Christmas.

304734 ▶▶ Mr Dee, replying to Number 6, #748 of 1806 🔗

And Patrick McGoohan, in Braveheart, played Edward I, who ravaged the Welsh without mercy and ruled Wales with iron tyranny. Much like Mark Drakeford.

305248 ▶▶ David Grimbleby, replying to Number 6, #749 of 1806 🔗

Even David Icke doesn’t know this.

304537 Bella Donna, replying to Bella Donna, 32, #750 of 1806 🔗

Remember – They can only cancel Christmas if YOU allow them to. So have the Christmas YOU want! 🎅 🎄 🍗 🥂 🥃

304554 ▶▶ Darryl, replying to Bella Donna, 11, #751 of 1806 🔗

Agree completely. It amazes me how submissive and compliant people are to anyone they view as having authority over them.

304564 ▶▶▶ Julian, replying to Darryl, 8, #752 of 1806 🔗

Even sceptical friends use phrases about “being allowed” to see their families

304740 ▶▶ richard riewer, replying to Bella Donna, #753 of 1806 🔗

Jingle Bells, Jingle Bells, Jingle all the way!

304540 kh1485, replying to kh1485, 8, #754 of 1806 🔗

Interesting. The BID Chairwoman’s business has just started ‘following’ our Arsebook page (not that we post much stuff on it). What is she up to, I wonder. And what things can I post …

304604 ▶▶ leggy, replying to kh1485, 7, #755 of 1806 🔗

Block her.

304556 p02099003, replying to p02099003, 5, #756 of 1806 🔗

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-55331366 , Wales in lockdown on 28th. Hospitality closing at 6 pm on Christmas Day. Non essential shops closing after close of business on Christmas Eve.

304565 ▶▶ Dan Clarke, replying to p02099003, 7, #757 of 1806 🔗

The fact that they can wait, says everything

304568 ▶▶ Will, replying to p02099003, 8, #758 of 1806 🔗

That early, firebreak lockdown worked well….

304849 ▶▶▶ Crystal Decanter, replying to Will, #759 of 1806 🔗

It’s now the FireRape lockdown

304569 ▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to p02099003, #760 of 1806 🔗

Yes. Puddleduck strikes again:

Fresh lockdown measures are to be imposed in Wales beginning on Christmas Eve, the first minister, Mark Drakeford has announced.
All non-essential shops, plus leisure and fitness centres and close-contact services, will shut at the end of trading on Thursday 24 December.
Hospitality premises, including pubs and restaurants, will close from 6pm on Christmas Day.
On 28 December, tighter restrictions for household mixing, staying at home, holiday accommodation and travel will apply. This new set of “level 4” restrictions will apply to the whole of Wales.
The first minister also said: “Here in Wales, the advice of the Welsh government is that only two households should come together to form an exclusive Christmas bubble during the five-day period.”
Drakeford said more than 2,100 people – equivalent to five full general hospitals – were in Welsh hospitals with Covid symptoms. The number of people in intensive care with coronavirus is at the highest level during this second wave – at 98.

Info from Grad live

304573 ▶▶▶ Dan Clarke, replying to Cheezilla, 4, #761 of 1806 🔗

So the other lockdown’s have not worked

304597 ▶▶▶ RickH, replying to Cheezilla, 1, #762 of 1806 🔗

The figures are literally unbelievable.

304600 ▶▶▶ leggy, replying to Cheezilla, #763 of 1806 🔗

In hospital with covid symptoms? So not just with a positive test then? Either way, that figure works out as 0.067% of the Welsh population. Or to look at it another way, less that 7 people per 10,000 – hardly the plague.

304618 ▶▶▶▶ Mr Dee, replying to leggy, 5, #764 of 1806 🔗

All the rising ‘cases’ are in South Wales too. So us in the North and mid-Wales have to suffer due to spiralling cases over a hundred miles away. We have more in common, here in the North, with the folk of Shropshire, Cheshire and the North-West of England than with the Southern Welsh.

Deaths throughout Wales are within normal range for this time of year, according to Euromomo.

Local hospital is at normal capacity for this time of year.

Welsh Government are imbeciles. Drag them from power now.

304874 ▶▶▶▶▶ kf99, replying to Mr Dee, #765 of 1806 🔗

Assuming we can’t undo devolution I think separate North and South Wales Assemblies would be reasonable. I’d give Scotland say, three. Would scupper nationalist tendencies if you only speak for a region and not a ‘nation’.

304660 ▶▶ thinkaboutit, replying to p02099003, 8, #766 of 1806 🔗

If it were that bad a virus they’d lock down immediately.

Gaslighting. Coercive control. These people are abusers.

304739 ▶▶ richard riewer, replying to p02099003, 4, #767 of 1806 🔗

It’s minus 25 in Montreal this morning. I wonder how the suspended in air droplets are doing. Can’t see any from my living room window.

304750 ▶▶ kf99, replying to p02099003, 2, #768 of 1806 🔗

Boxing day sales in Chester, Shrewsbury etc will be busy to say the least.

304788 ▶▶ p02099003, replying to p02099003, 1, #769 of 1806 🔗

My son moved to Narberth in September after he’d been made redundant as a chef in a London restaurant. He has been working and then not working (using annual leave as he wasn’t entitled to furlough) back to work then furloughed. He is currently by himself in a flat. His fiancée has just left her job as an ITU nurse in London and is going to Scotland to spend Christmas with her family before returning to Wales to be with my son.

304803 ▶▶ Crystal Decanter, replying to p02099003, #770 of 1806 🔗

But do they have a snazzy name for this one?
DRapeford Lockdown ??

304570 Dan Clarke, replying to Dan Clarke, #771 of 1806 🔗

PMQ’s Boris looks like he’s been somewhere sunny, he usually looks pasty

304579 ▶▶ Will, replying to Dan Clarke, 3, #772 of 1806 🔗

I actually think he has had his first half decent week, politically, since February. Starmer and Khan both walked into political traps and Johnson looks like he is the saviour of Christmas. He isn’t, of course, put politics is about perception.

304614 ▶▶▶ Luckyharry69, replying to Will, 9, #773 of 1806 🔗

Johnson is a LYING tosser…thats my opinion and I am sticking to it….

304662 ▶▶▶▶ Will, replying to Luckyharry69, 1, #774 of 1806 🔗

I don’t disagree but show me a politician that isn’t. He hasn’t had a good week as far as it affects me or indeed anyone else, but he will feel he has had a good week. A few more and he might have the confidence to chuck Wancock, Whitty, Vallance and the rest in from of a BD 9.

304580 ▶▶ Be Unshakeable, replying to Dan Clarke, 1, #775 of 1806 🔗

He’s probably been down to Beezelbub’s BBQ and Grill, picking up his Christmas bonus.

304622 ▶▶ Mr Dee, replying to Dan Clarke, #776 of 1806 🔗

Spray-on tan.

304650 ▶▶▶ Hieronimusb, replying to Mr Dee, 2, #777 of 1806 🔗

Or he’s fallen head first into a bucket of shite.

304581 CGL, replying to CGL, 2, #778 of 1806 🔗

Read that 3rd runway is to be given the go ahead- what’s the point of that then???

304585 ▶▶ leggy, replying to CGL, 1, #779 of 1806 🔗

Absolutely no point whatsoever. Unless perhaps they’re considering using it as some sort of drone port.

304589 ▶▶ Tenchy, replying to CGL, 1, #780 of 1806 🔗

No point. Hopefully it will never happen, but it puts a continuing blight on the large number of properties in the firing line. Imagine owning a house in Harmondsworth!


304592 ▶▶ steve_w, replying to CGL, 7, #781 of 1806 🔗

the point is so that the CEOs of the building companies can buy desert islands

304624 ▶▶ Jonathan Palmer, replying to CGL, 3, #782 of 1806 🔗

They are only using 1 runway and 2 terminals at the moment.Cant see how a new runway fits in with the Green new deal.

304635 ▶▶▶ CGL, replying to Jonathan Palmer, 1, #783 of 1806 🔗

No – that’s what I thought. Plus there arent going to be any airlines left.

304731 ▶▶▶ richard riewer, replying to Jonathan Palmer, 2, #784 of 1806 🔗

It’s the U.N., Bill Gates, Davos, Club de Rome, W.E.F. and co private runway.

305277 ▶▶▶▶ dommo, replying to richard riewer, #785 of 1806 🔗

bang on the money (literally)!

304653 ▶▶ thinkaboutit, replying to CGL, 2, #786 of 1806 🔗

Makes money for the contractors who are Boris mates.

304582 AnotherSceptic, replying to AnotherSceptic, 1, #787 of 1806 🔗

Yet more utter shite from the scummy daily record.
She was asymptomatic, but tested positive anyway & then to top it all off, she gets in the message against mixing at Xmas.


Stupid cow.

304611 ▶▶ stefarm, replying to AnotherSceptic, 1, #788 of 1806 🔗

Appendectomy. What tosh, but an appendectomy isn’t very interesting is it.

304617 ▶▶▶ stefarm, replying to stefarm, 1, #789 of 1806 🔗

Hardly a high brow newspaper reporter


304593 alw, replying to alw, 7, #790 of 1806 🔗

Lord Sumption speaking to JHB on Talk Radio this morning. Great wisdom and common sense. Worth the listen on YouTube from 8.08 am onwards

304616 ▶▶ dommo, replying to alw, 5, #791 of 1806 🔗

someone needs to instruct him & pay him a huge fee to mount a proper legal challenge – starting with the bogus PCR testing

304655 ▶▶▶ alw, replying to dommo, 3, #792 of 1806 🔗

Simon Dolan’s challenge failed. Both Lord Sumption and Baroness Hale former Supreme Court judges have spoken out against the lockdowns.

And then there is this from the Law Gazette.


305274 ▶▶▶▶ dommo, replying to alw, #793 of 1806 🔗

it failed i’m afraid to say because it was the wrong challenge…in layman’s terms he was barking up the wrong tree. get the right dog and the right tree and we’re laughing

304682 ▶▶▶ Bella Donna, replying to dommo, 1, #794 of 1806 🔗

True but our judiciary aren’t as honest and independent as they should be.

304626 ▶▶ CGL, replying to alw, #795 of 1806 🔗

Anyone got a link to just that bit of the show so it can be shared?

304659 ▶▶▶ alw, replying to CGL, #796 of 1806 🔗

Sorry no but just fast forward to 8.08am….simples.

304677 ▶▶▶ Bella Donna, replying to CGL, #798 of 1806 🔗

I think this is it.


304702 ▶▶ OKUK, replying to alw, 2, #799 of 1806 🔗

Yes, he was very measured but resists any deprivation of our long-held liberties over a low risk virus. It’s great to have him onside. But he is a lone voice crying out in a landscape shorn of all human rights.

JHB sounds very crestfallen now. She confesses she once thought lockdowns, testing and masking (even though she did not think the latter effective!) would return us to normal and win us back our liberties. Now, after her three weeks of vaxojubiliation she is depressed having to consider that not even vaccination will get us back our liberties.

304703 ▶▶▶ Andy Riley, replying to OKUK, #800 of 1806 🔗
304595 Mr Dee, 5, #802 of 1806 🔗

Drakeford & Co. Bastards.

304596 wat tyler, 14, #803 of 1806 🔗

Great news earlier on Talk Radio ,The mother and daughter who were arrested for taking their grandmother from the care home now have her home living with them .It’s enough to bring a tear to the eye listening to their story , they are now fighting for all the other people who have been refused contact with their relatives and they are trying to get an interview with Johnson or Handcock to bring attention to what’s happening . These are the stories which will turn the tide against the government and bring more and more support towards us as we see the terrible human cost of lockdown emerging .

304602 Ben, 16, #804 of 1806 🔗

Politicians/The Government have stolen from us living and replaced it with being  physically alive

If simpleton sheeple understood the distinction, then the human race might stand a chance

304603 Luckyharry69, 2, #805 of 1806 🔗

“A very merry Christmas
and a happy New Year
let’s hope it’s a good one
without any fear

War is over if you want it
War is over now………..”


304619 TyLean, replying to TyLean, 15, #807 of 1806 🔗

I just received a letter from NHS Highland…. our completely overhwelmed, bankrupt, desperate and destitute NHS Highland. 5 pages of wipe-your-ass-for-you instructions of how to be prepared for days of power outages this winter.

Not a letter from SSE or my supplier…. no…. a letter from the NHS about power outages. The WEF is “warning” about the same. All blamed on the climate, of course, but you have to be pretty slow to see that none of this is premonition. At best – they are really getting their jollies off terrifying people. At worst – they are announcing their plans.

Of course, it also mentioned staying 2 meters away from any human, hand sanitiser, and get yer feckin’ flu jab, but that was a cursory bit at the beginning. Pure hysteria peddling, and the message was received loud and clear – just not the one they intended to send. Fortunately, we already anticipated this months ago and went about 95% off grid and mad on insulation. We can get by just fine so long as we’re not running power tools. (Which, it must be said, is a daily thing, so that would be annoying).

304632 ▶▶ Mr Dee, replying to TyLean, 4, #808 of 1806 🔗

Oh fuck. Really. Is this heralding the Dark Winter that the conspiracy crowd are going on about?

I’ll have to sharpen my spear and prepare to go wabbit hunting.

304645 ▶▶▶ TyLean, replying to Mr Dee, 1, #809 of 1806 🔗

Let’s hope not, but it does look that way. It’s suspicious, and we have no reason to think they are anything less than corrupt at this point. (Remember Enron’s rolling blackouts to drive stock prices?) Personally, I err on the side of preparing for the worst, but in our situation, this was just an excelleration of our off-grid plans anyway. About the only purchase we made that we wouldn’t have done eventually…. were crossbows, lol!

305689 ▶▶▶▶ Kath Andrews, replying to TyLean, #810 of 1806 🔗

Good to hear from you again TyLean…hope you are okay.

304656 ▶▶ Julian, replying to TyLean, #811 of 1806 🔗

Not seen you post for a while

Welcome back!

304921 ▶▶ Old Bill, replying to TyLean, #812 of 1806 🔗

That is the Highlands that has Nuclear power at Dounreay, hydro power at Kinlochleven, and more windmills than a children’s tea party after a gay pride march, and it isn’t enough?

They can’t be right Ty Lean, Big Boris says so. Big Boris knows all.

304620 Tom Blackburn, replying to Tom Blackburn, #813 of 1806 🔗

What time the Tier announcements?

304631 ▶▶ TyLean, replying to Tom Blackburn, 11, #814 of 1806 🔗

Does it matter? Who cares what they announce. Ignore them. Who listens to morons?

304711 ▶▶▶ Tom Blackburn, replying to TyLean, #815 of 1806 🔗

I like to be engaged in the follow-up discussions away from this messageboard.

304725 ▶▶▶ richard riewer, replying to TyLean, 1, #816 of 1806 🔗

MAPs. Moron Attracted Persons.

304710 ▶▶ Sam Vimes, replying to Tom Blackburn, 4, #817 of 1806 🔗

To work out what tier you will be in, take the number of the tier you are in now, double it, then take away your original tier number.

304627 Harry hopkins, replying to Harry hopkins, 8, #818 of 1806 🔗

‘You’re not alone’
‘More and more people are waking up’
‘If Monsanto put this vaccine on the market as a weedkiller it would be banned in a day’

Not to mention the disgusting and aggressive treatment meted out to Dr. Coleman on his entry to his local church to say a prayer for his wife. Who can argue that after the last nine months, organised, so called ‘Christian’ religions have relinquished any moral or spiritual authority they might have once possessed?

A must watch by a man who has been proven right throughout this whole diabolical year.


304652 ▶▶ Bella Donna, replying to Harry hopkins, 12, #819 of 1806 🔗

I’m afraid the Church is dying on its feet. It seems a willing victim to its own demise. Apparently the Catholic Church is urging the faithful to have the vaccine for the sake of humanity! Its quite disgraceful!

304915 ▶▶▶ Basileus, replying to Bella Donna, 4, #820 of 1806 🔗

The established church is apostate. Time to start over.

304628 Major Panic, replying to Major Panic, 20, #821 of 1806 🔗

Sage has told us that the virus is extremely infectious, yet they also tell us that after a year less than 10% of people have been infected – surely they cant have it both ways….

So either;

a – the virus is not extremely infectious, or
b – the virus is extremely infectious and did the rounds earlier this year leaving behind herd immunity

‘b’ seems most likely and the virus is now endemic, circulating harmlessly through the healthy immune population and helping those who are frail, with week immune systems, and quite simply at the end of natural life on their way – with the help of all the other nasty endemic viruses that our immune systems deal with until our immune systems fail as we reach end of life.

Conclusion – the vaccine seems to be an attemt to cure us from natural end of life, which is both bollocks and profitable…

Would giving our aging immune systems ammunition, like vit D, etc, not be more aeffective protection – although not so profitable

304654 ▶▶ Julian, replying to Major Panic, 4, #822 of 1806 🔗

c – the virus is extremely infectious but lockdowns and masks and distancing have stopped it spreading

304664 ▶▶▶ Major Panic, replying to Julian, #823 of 1806 🔗

I was attemting to be realistic

304674 ▶▶▶▶ JHuntz, replying to Major Panic, 1, #824 of 1806 🔗

That is the what they will say though.

304681 ▶▶▶▶▶ Major Panic, replying to JHuntz, 1, #825 of 1806 🔗

LOl – of course – spin reality to fit the theory

304761 ▶▶▶ Will, replying to Julian, #826 of 1806 🔗

I hate to correct you Julian, but lockdowns were so effective that they stopped the virus before they had even started…. Twice!!!!

304657 ▶▶ Bella Donna, replying to Major Panic, 5, #827 of 1806 🔗

As the government downgraded its infection rating last March, and the virus peaked around Mar/Apr they’re looking a bit silly now. Vitamin C D and zinc should be on everyone’s shopping list. Looking after your own immune system is your best bet to staying healthy.

304667 ▶▶▶ Kev, replying to Bella Donna, 3, #828 of 1806 🔗

Would also add Selenium and Vitamin B12 possibly via Multi-B Complex, and maybe Magnesium

304678 ▶▶▶ JHuntz, replying to Bella Donna, 1, #829 of 1806 🔗

I’m sure it’s all good for you but i’ve taken none of it. I just eat a fairly balanced diet and go to the gym when el sturgeon opens them.

I couldn’t really care less about protecting against COVID i’d be more worried about catching the flu.

304747 ▶▶▶▶ Kev, replying to JHuntz, 1, #830 of 1806 🔗

Agree, not specifically for it, but to boost your immune against any pathogen.

Was taking supplements long before the non-event showed up, never get colds now!

Due to soil depletion you can’t know how much nutrients your getting, unless you grow your own and control the nutrients.

304762 ▶▶▶▶ Major Panic, replying to JHuntz, 1, #831 of 1806 🔗

If your going to the gym you are likely healthy with a functioning immune system, not a frail elderly person in a nursing home with a struggling immune system

304880 ▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to Bella Donna, 2, #832 of 1806 🔗

Agree. It’s been odd that the government has never recommended this and other ways of staying healthy. At the bare minimum they should have resurrected that “catch it, bin it, kill it” campaign.

304900 ▶▶▶▶ Fiona Walker, replying to Bart Simpson, 2, #833 of 1806 🔗

No money in it for them, that’s why.

304691 ▶▶ Ovis, replying to Major Panic, 3, #834 of 1806 🔗

Amen brother. This is the key point. At a basic level, the narrative is no longer internally coherent.

It is long past time for the rona to piss or get off the pot.

304715 ▶▶ OKUK, replying to Major Panic, 2, #835 of 1806 🔗

I agree with all you say and would add that vaccinating against these pathogens we have co-evolved with could create conditions for more novel pathogens finding a cosy nook in old people’s lungs, which could be a major risk for the healthy and younger population. Meanwhile old people will be condemned to die in other ways e.g septicaemia, cancer, Alzheimer’s, Parkinson’s etc , none of them good.

304658 ▶▶ Harry hopkins, replying to vargas99, 5, #837 of 1806 🔗

If I get into a conversation about masks with people I always ask them if they like gardening. I then follow that up with a question: Would you consider putting up a barb wire fence around your roses to keep the greenfly at bay? This nearly always results in a laugh of some sort. And as we all know….a message delivered with humour can can have a bigger impact than an argument..

304698 ▶▶▶ mhcp, replying to Harry hopkins, 1, #838 of 1806 🔗

It’s like a tin foil hat. People often laugh without thinking what the hat does exactly? It creates some amount of protection from the general radio wave spectrum, though whether this relates to mind reading is a different matter.

So a tin foil hat is actually better at protecting you than a mask

304770 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to vargas99, #839 of 1806 🔗

It doesn’t prove a thing. They talk about filtration, but of what? A virus? Nope. Just stuff. It filters stuff and so we can save ourselves from SARS-CoV-2?

“We hope public health authorities strengthen the current preventative measures to curb COVID-19 transmission, like choosing a more effective mask, wearing it properly for the highest protection, and avoid using an excessively used or expired surgical mask,” said Xi.

This why we need to focus on RCTs on this stuff. These people make their studies then recommend totally disproportionate public health measures on the back of them. They want us to be forced to wear masks all the time, punished for touching it wrong, wearing it too long, the wrong mask, the list is absolutely endless. Sounds like a job for Covid Marshalls.

It’s why the policy doesn’t work. Ultimately any effect needs mass enforcement on an insane scale.

304637 l835, replying to l835, 7, #840 of 1806 🔗

My AM finally got a reply from Gethin. As a low income self-employed person I should be isolating for a month due to needing an operation. But no work no income, and the state won’t help, but they can offer me “support” great, help me carry the shopping I can’t pay for home? My only hope is I’ll wake up to find drakeford and Gethin dangling from lampposts.

304644 ▶▶ Bella Donna, replying to l835, 2, #841 of 1806 🔗

You don’t need to isolate for a month that’s ridiculous. I agree about the dangling from lampposts though, its a lovely fantasy!

304648 ▶▶▶ l835, replying to Bella Donna, 1, #842 of 1806 🔗

14 days before and 14 days after the op. Not that I can afford to do hope I get one of those rare negative pcr test results and the op goes ahead.

304695 ▶▶ Crystal Decanter, replying to l835, 1, #843 of 1806 🔗

Head first into the Taff would be better

304718 ▶▶▶ Mr Dee, replying to Crystal Decanter, #844 of 1806 🔗

Look up the punishment meted out by Edward I to Prince Dafydd, brother of the last Prince of Wales.

Annie will surely be happy to donate the use of her horse for a re-enactment of the occasion…

304641 Fingerache Philip., replying to Fingerache Philip., 3, #845 of 1806 🔗

Wolverhampton Express and Star newspaper happily announces that 200 Covid rule breakers are reported and “dealt with” by local police every day.
No surprise that the “Bozzer” worked at that rag for a while, a few years ago.

304687 ▶▶ Andy C, replying to Fingerache Philip., 2, #846 of 1806 🔗

The Guess and Stir has been one of the worst local rags for propaganda throughout the last few months. I haven’t bought a copy since March and I don’t intend to.

304743 ▶▶▶ Fingerache Philip., replying to Andy C, #847 of 1806 🔗

Nor it’s collaborating sidekick, the Shropshire star.

305548 ▶▶▶▶ Borisbullshit, replying to Fingerache Philip., #848 of 1806 🔗

Yes stuff that paper unless making a fire.

304845 ▶▶ Ben, replying to Fingerache Philip., 1, #849 of 1806 🔗

Excludes politicians, Neil Ferguson, civil servants, business people, celebrities, journalists

304663 leggy, replying to leggy, 13, #850 of 1806 🔗

Mail just received from Chiltern Railways about travelling over Christmas. What sort of doublespeak fuckery is this?

To make your journey safer, fines starting at £200 and escalating up to a maximum of £6,400 may be issued by the British Transport police to passengers who do not wear a face covering….

Fines make you safer now?

304675 ▶▶ Tenchy, replying to leggy, 1, #851 of 1806 🔗

I hope you sent a suitable reply!

304680 ▶▶ Be Unshakeable, replying to leggy, 9, #852 of 1806 🔗

Yes, fines make you safer. So do lockdowns. So does bombing innocent civilians in the Middle East.

Now stop asking questions.

304688 ▶▶ Julian, replying to leggy, 10, #853 of 1806 🔗

Fines make you safer in the same way as testing for a virus makes it go away

304690 ▶▶ anon, replying to leggy, #854 of 1806 🔗

stay safe! $$$

304714 ▶▶ Kev, replying to leggy, 2, #855 of 1806 🔗

Does that still work out cheaper than the ticket?

Do they also think that applies to people who declare themselves exempt?

304783 ▶▶ Paulus, replying to leggy, 2, #856 of 1806 🔗

The way it is going the fines will be cheaper than the tickets

305556 ▶▶ Borisbullshit, replying to leggy, #857 of 1806 🔗

Its funny how despite all the hectoring for us to use public transport for green reasons this policy disaster has wrecked it and the train companies have done their best to put people off even further. Up go the subsidies!

305662 ▶▶ William Gruff, replying to leggy, #858 of 1806 🔗

Smacks (please forgive the pun) of ‘ spare the rod and spoil the child ‘.

304669 mhcp, 3, #859 of 1806 🔗

There is a fantastic quote that sums up the exaggeration of Covid to a T:

“When you hear hoofbeats, look for horses not zebras”

– variants often attributed to Hilton Read or Ele and Walt Delaney.

304672 OKUK, 30, #860 of 1806 🔗

The Seven Stages of Covid Grief:

1. It’s all about saving the NHS.

2. It’s all about saving lives.

3. It’s all about following the science.

4. It’s all about masking to protect others.

5. It’s all about test and trace.

6. It’s all about the vaccine.

7. Oh no it isn’t…it’s all about politics, ideology and the sinister wish lists of billionaires.

304673 Tenchy, replying to Tenchy, 6, #861 of 1806 🔗

Hooray! It’s over! Back to normal very soon!



The British Army has pioneered a Covid disinfectant spray which has proved so successful it will be sold to the general public.

The Virusend disinfectant formula has been found to kill all coronavirus strains in less than a minute and was proven to kill SARS-CoV-2 in 99.99 per cent of cases.

Now more than 50,000 bottles of the handheld Virusend disinfectant are being deployed to military personnel across the country who are working alongside the NHS at coronavirus testing stations as part of the military’s ongoing support to civil authorities.

It is already being used at testing sites in Medway and Preston and can be purchased online for £7.99.

I can’t see it taking too long to arrange for an aerial spraying of the whole country.

We just need to persuade the sheeple not to drink the stuff.

(It reminds me of a YouTube video posted here a while ago and showing people disembarking from a plane and being sprayed as they did so – anyone still got that?)

304676 ▶▶ Victoria, replying to Tenchy, 6, #862 of 1806 🔗

We just need to persuade the sheeple not to drink the stuff.

Ha ha

304686 ▶▶▶ JHuntz, replying to Victoria, 5, #863 of 1806 🔗

or persuade them to drink it???

304693 ▶▶ Be Unshakeable, replying to Tenchy, 2, #864 of 1806 🔗

Merry Boondoggle Bonanza, Citizens!

304694 ▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Tenchy, 2, #865 of 1806 🔗

Interesting article because the main breakthrough seems to be the spray gun itself.

No idea what’s being used as a disinfectant. Stabilised chlorine dioxide maybe? That’s safe enough, in fact preferable to much of the ghastly stuff that’s in most spray sanitisers.

It says the bottle is re-usable, which again suggests it’s the delivery not the contents that’s innovative.

304722 ▶▶▶ John P, replying to Cheezilla, 1, #866 of 1806 🔗

Chlorine dioxide isn’t “safe enough” to be used directly in sprays. It’s a toxic chemical compound.

“The US FDA has stated that ingestion or other internal use of chlorine dioxide ( other than perhaps oral rinsing under dentist supervision ) has no health benefits and it should not be used internally for any reason.”

My degree is in chemistry.

304728 ▶▶ mjr, replying to Tenchy, 7, #867 of 1806 🔗

coming to a testing centre or hospital near you

304742 ▶▶▶ JHuntz, replying to mjr, 4, #868 of 1806 🔗
304748 ▶▶ A. Contrarian, replying to Tenchy, #869 of 1806 🔗

You’d need to inhale it regularly up your nostrils and into your lungs, wouldn’t you?

305010 ▶▶▶ Cranmer, replying to A. Contrarian, 1, #870 of 1806 🔗

That gives me an idea for a new ‘anti-Covid’ vape – with a hint of Blueberry and Vanilla. Protect your loved ones by sucking on our new pipe! Only £14.99 per bottle! etc.

305182 ▶▶▶▶ A. Contrarian, replying to Cranmer, #871 of 1806 🔗

Great idea, seriously, you’d make your millions.

304692 AnotherSceptic, replying to AnotherSceptic, 10, #872 of 1806 🔗

Live updates from El Presidente’s daily dictator speech, it really is being made up as she goes along now.
If anybody wants to get angry, have a read of this shite.


I know that I keep posting shitty daily record articles, I apologise.

Also, the lying wee boot has just said this

“I wish it was an easier or more binary decision”, she continues.

“But it is more complex than that. We are all human beings with human emotions and we’re all going through a really tough time right now.

“No leader trying to encourage compliance with restrictions can ignore all of that. But equally, I have a duty to reach the best balance we can and to be straight about what within the boundaries of the law we are recommending.

“The reality is is that this Christmas can’t be normal but we have every reason to hope that next year’s will be much more normal.

“Hard though it is now, let us all try to keep that in mind.”

My piss is really boiling now!!

304706 ▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to AnotherSceptic, 7, #873 of 1806 🔗

“We recognise in some cases the isolation caused by being alone over Christmas will in itself cause harm to people’s welfare and we understand that some people will simply not be prepared to leave loved ones alone over the whole Christmas period, and especially on Christmas Day.”

Isolation causes harm. Who’d have thought it?!
Only over Christmas though, apparently.

304712 ▶▶ Les Tricoteuses, replying to AnotherSceptic, 9, #874 of 1806 🔗

“we have every reason to hope that next year’s will be much more normal.”
Say bye bye to next Christmas as well folks, that is explicitly stating next Christmas will not be normal.

304744 ▶▶▶ A. Contrarian, replying to Les Tricoteuses, 5, #875 of 1806 🔗

Yes that stuck out like a sore thumb to me as well. Back in the summer we had every reason to hope that this Christmas could be normal…

304724 ▶▶ Be Unshakeable, replying to AnotherSceptic, 4, #876 of 1806 🔗


304736 ▶▶ JHuntz, replying to AnotherSceptic, 3, #877 of 1806 🔗

She talks some load of old shite. Every article I can pick multiple quotes of complete garbage from her.

305003 ▶▶ Cranmer, replying to AnotherSceptic, 2, #878 of 1806 🔗

She’s right, next year’s Christmas will be ‘much more normal’ because by then, the mass of people will think compulsory masks, house arrest and social distancing IS normal.

304700 Victoria, replying to Victoria, 7, #879 of 1806 🔗

Caught red handed, Wuhan researchers could face prison

 The Biggest Conspiracy Behind COVID-19 Now Proven

  • In a February 18, 2020, scientific statement in The Lancet, 27 authors strongly condemned conspiracy theories suggesting COVID-19 does not have a natural origin, stating that scientists from around the world “overwhelmingly conclude that this coronavirus originated in wildlife”
  • Emails obtained by U.S. Right to Know (USRTK) prove EcoHealth Alliance employees were behind the plot to obscure the lab origin of SARS-CoV-2 by issuing a scientific statement condemning such inquiries as “conspiracy theory”
  • EcoHealth Alliance President Peter Daszak drafted The Lancet statement, intending it to “not be identifiable as coming from any one organization or person” but rather to be seen as “simply a letter from leading scientists”
  • Several of the authors of that Lancet statement also have direct ties to the EcoHealth Alliance that were not disclosed as conflicts of interest
  • Daszak is now leading The Lancet’s COVID-19 Commission charged with getting to the bottom of SARS-CoV-2’s origin — a role for which he is clearly too conflicted to perform in an unbiased manner


304713 ▶▶ John P, replying to Victoria, 2, #880 of 1806 🔗

Your post doesn’t prove anything. Sorry.

I don’t believe it had an origin in the lab, but even if it had you’re not going to get proof out of the Chinese, only unprovable allegations from dissidents.

304774 ▶▶▶ Crystal Decanter, replying to John P, 3, #881 of 1806 🔗

Me too
Sars2 is no different than Sars1 – it is just a bog standard bat cold Corona

304780 ▶▶▶ Tenchy, replying to John P, 1, #882 of 1806 🔗

It came from the lab. They were experimenting on corona viruses in bats, and some tight-arse took some of the bats and sold them on the nearby wet market. Occam’s razor.

304707 Basics, replying to Basics, 4, #883 of 1806 🔗

Just a comment further to Alex Thompson’s on UKC today.

Uk Column today covers BBC dis information reporter Marianna Spring who has been approaching lockdown protest group as Marianna Claire. Alex Thompson suggests she is not a ‘clean skin’ given her university background. She graduated in 2018 and has worked for the BBC for c18 months. Having previously looked into mariannas background I can see Alex is right as Marinanna worked for a Moscow newspaper with a weekly run of 50k from memory. The newspaper dropped in circulation during her time with it and shifted to a biweekly.

At university marrianna spring wrote for the college paper producing 70odd articles in total.

304720 ▶▶ Cecil B, replying to Basics, 2, #884 of 1806 🔗

MI5 ?

304799 ▶▶ Dame Lynet, replying to Basics, 4, #885 of 1806 🔗

She is spectacularly juvenile and dim. No way is she there on merit, or what I used to understand as merit.

304709 John P, replying to John P, 19, #886 of 1806 🔗

Fuck off Tobias Ellwood.

Julia Hartley-Brewer calls out the 77th Brigade’s Lt Col Ellwood on his bullshit:


304760 ▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to John P, 9, #887 of 1806 🔗

Great comment: I for one will not accept being banned from seeing my granddaughters whilst fans attend football, Oxford street is full to bursting and Airports fly new arrivals in daily!!

304793 ▶▶ Dame Lynet, replying to John P, 4, #888 of 1806 🔗

Scumbag was like a rabbit in the headlights facing her pertinent questions, but stuck doggedly to his well-rehearsed script.

304809 ▶▶ Dan Clarke, replying to John P, 2, #889 of 1806 🔗

Good I got a rude email from him after suggesting the aim of this was health passports

304825 ▶▶▶ mattghg, replying to Dan Clarke, 1, #890 of 1806 🔗

Did he deny it though?

304865 ▶▶ FlynnQuill, replying to John P, 2, #891 of 1806 🔗

Watched it, another thick as shit MP.

304885 ▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to John P, 2, #892 of 1806 🔗

Another one who should be hanged, drawn and quartered when this is all over.

Lieutenant Colonel, my arse….

304716 Cecil B, replying to Cecil B, 17, #893 of 1806 🔗

It would appear the Rapists Dad had just imposed a sentence of life imprisonment on the whole population of Wales (starting on the 28th)

His boy is only doing seven years for rape

304745 ▶▶ Crystal Decanter, replying to Cecil B, 4, #894 of 1806 🔗

Don’t forget he was up for paedo as well but they couldn’t prove it

304835 ▶▶ Ben, replying to Cecil B, 5, #895 of 1806 🔗

Best comment I’ve read in ages

Drakeford is a dictator who’s pushed people to suicide

304970 ▶▶▶ Mr Dee, replying to Ben, 2, #896 of 1806 🔗

He’s out come the next election in May, which is why he wants to ‘postpone’ it.

304721 stefarm, replying to stefarm, 21, #897 of 1806 🔗

Is that right, cunty balls Dr Shillary has been caught, out shopping without his gimp mask.

Tut tut, what will his mate piers say…..

304735 ▶▶ A. Contrarian, replying to stefarm, 14, #899 of 1806 🔗

After nearly 6 months of enforced mask wearing, which he promotes constantly, there’s no way he “forgot”.

304757 ▶▶▶ chaos, replying to A. Contrarian, 3, #900 of 1806 🔗

People will say and do and repeat whatever is necessary to maintain their £.

304741 ▶▶ Major Panic, replying to stefarm, 5, #901 of 1806 🔗

a 6 month holiday suspension on full pay is the standard reward punishment for them showing what they really think

304749 ▶▶▶ stefarm, replying to Major Panic, 2, #902 of 1806 🔗

Club med in South Africa

304769 ▶▶ Tom Blackburn, replying to stefarm, #903 of 1806 🔗

Seems like we aren’t the only folk keeping ‘a list’

304833 ▶▶ Ben, replying to stefarm, 3, #904 of 1806 🔗

Hopefully someone took a photo to add to the montage of Gary Lineker and Piers Morgan et al

304726 Freecumbria, replying to Freecumbria, 6, #905 of 1806 🔗

Interesting tweet from Clare Craig which mentions a paper that indicates that as we know a ridiculous percentage of positive PCR tests are false positives, especially when prevalence is low


The paper is here and is interesting reading for the technically minded


304755 ▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Freecumbria, 3, #906 of 1806 🔗

Only about 10% of “cases” are real – and many of those have very mild symptoms!

304830 ▶▶ Ben, replying to Freecumbria, 1, #907 of 1806 🔗

I’d like to hear her say that testing is not needed for cold and flu symptoms. The testing is part of the agenda, of which tech companies are heavily invested in. I don’t want to live in a “papers please!”, QR code future

305027 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to Freecumbria, #908 of 1806 🔗

“Patients on the transplant waiting list were removed from the list for 2 weeks. Some of the patients screened pre-operatively had their surgery delayed. Patients screened pre-discharge were kept in hospital, unnecessarily in many cases. All the low-level, likely false positive results from the nursing home residents and staff generated further activity, including as a minimum re-swabbing but also track and trace of residents and staff in some cases. The results also negatively impacted on staffing levels to varying degrees, affected transfers in and out of the home and caused a distraction from other elements of patient care.”

The law of unintended consequences

305073 ▶▶▶ RickH, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 1, #909 of 1806 🔗

There’s ‘unintended’ consequences – and then there’s the consequences of stupidity and fabrication.

I reckon there’s a difference.

304730 JHuntz, replying to JHuntz, 20, #910 of 1806 🔗

comment image

I’ve seen this pic a few times and it looks a lot like duping delight. I researched a lot of this in relation to the McCanns whom I am extremely sceptical regards their official narrative of which the British public swallowed wholeheartedly.

Psychopaths and Duping Delight – Psychopaths In Life

304737 ▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to JHuntz, 13, #911 of 1806 🔗

That would be accurately described as the face of pure evil!

304738 ▶▶ Mr Dee, replying to JHuntz, 3, #912 of 1806 🔗

Icke is right. Look at that reptilian eye.

304754 ▶▶▶ chaos, replying to Mr Dee, 8, #913 of 1806 🔗

Icke done fooked up. He chose 5G as the bogeyman rather than Davos.

304824 ▶▶▶ Ben, replying to Mr Dee, 7, #914 of 1806 🔗

If it wasn’t for the reptilian garbage Icke might be an asset to the anti-lockdown movement. It’s a shame, because he’s a good speaker

304968 ▶▶▶▶ Mr Dee, replying to Ben, 5, #915 of 1806 🔗

I totally agree. His son Gareth’s a good orator too.

304756 ▶▶ stefarm, replying to JHuntz, 2, #916 of 1806 🔗

Interesting watch – The McCann’s: Embedded Confessions – Statement Analyst Peter Hyatt


304764 ▶▶▶ JHuntz, replying to stefarm, 4, #917 of 1806 🔗

I’ve seen it all it’s really interesting. Richard Hall himself unpicks the whole narrative. There are so many inconsistencies in the story.

304789 ▶▶▶▶ nickbowes, replying to JHuntz, 1, #918 of 1806 🔗

Funny you should mention RH. Just got an email to say that he has a 5 part pandemic special ! He has been silent for months too.

304911 ▶▶ Old Bill, replying to JHuntz, 7, #919 of 1806 🔗

Could I please ask the good people of this forum not to post any more pictures of Hancock, having to repeatedly clean vomit from my keyboard is a particularly unpleasant task.

305081 ▶▶ Ben, replying to JHuntz, 6, #920 of 1806 🔗
305337 ▶▶▶ JamesDrebin, replying to Ben, 1, #921 of 1806 🔗

Bloody hell!! 😂

305269 ▶▶ MiriamW-sometimes-AlanG, replying to JHuntz, 3, #922 of 1806 🔗

Another good example of this syndrome is the infamous clip of Bill and Melinda Gates smirking as they threaten us with the next scamdemic. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZmP6_gy-MIE MW

304763 Fingerache Philip., replying to Fingerache Philip., 28, #923 of 1806 🔗

Prue Leith is wheeled out to encourage us “oldies” to have the jab with words such as “It was totally painless, it didn’t hurt a bit, don’t be afraid”.
How patronising can these pratts get?
For God’s sake, we are aware that it’s just a jab, we’ve been having injections all our lives, we don’t think that it’s open heart surgery, now stop treating us like 7 year old’s.
We can think for ourselves, that’s why we are sceptics.

304771 ▶▶ Tenchy, replying to Fingerache Philip., 7, #924 of 1806 🔗

Hopefully someone will get back to Leith in a few days to ask her about any side effects – then again, they’ll only do that (in the MSM) if she had none.

304905 ▶▶▶ Jo Dominich -, replying to Tenchy, 3, #925 of 1806 🔗

She probably had the flu jab!

304790 ▶▶ A. Contrarian, replying to Fingerache Philip., 4, #926 of 1806 🔗

Hmm, not sure a brief twinge from the jab (which is after all a jab that would feel just like any other – but she’s not out persuading us to get our tetanus boosters done) is the major concern here…

304813 ▶▶ Darryl, replying to Fingerache Philip., 4, #927 of 1806 🔗

She has been involved with government and business at high levels so not surprised she is being rolled out for the persuasion campaign. Personally seeing the masked ghostly disheveled broken people walking around the streets I don’t think they need much persuading.

304818 ▶▶ Ben, replying to Fingerache Philip., 4, #928 of 1806 🔗

If this vaccine causes harm to some people then ‘patronising’ is too kind

304772 Bart Simpson, replying to Bart Simpson, 16, #929 of 1806 🔗

BBC journalist got a mouthful from a woman after he asked her why she wasn’t muzzled up:


He should mind his own business and thank his lucky stars he wasn’t in say Brixton or Tower Hamlets as he would have gotten more of what he bargained for.

304781 ▶▶ Tom Blackburn, replying to Bart Simpson, 7, #930 of 1806 🔗

Sounds like another cunt for ‘the list’

304786 ▶▶ The Filthy Engineer, replying to Bart Simpson, 5, #931 of 1806 🔗

Is there supposed to be a video behind that link? All I get is a still picture and a series of tweets.

304796 ▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to The Filthy Engineer, 3, #932 of 1806 🔗

Not sure but many people were posting that link from the DoH reminding people not to challenge those not wearing masks.

304814 ▶▶ Thomas_E, replying to Bart Simpson, 5, #933 of 1806 🔗

You should see the comments below. They show everything that is wrong with this country at the moment. Thank god I’m of Twitter , I would probably be arrested for abuse. Some of the people, god help us.

304823 ▶▶▶ Tom Blackburn, replying to Thomas_E, 3, #934 of 1806 🔗

A few decent replies tbf

304904 ▶▶▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to Tom Blackburn, 5, #935 of 1806 🔗

Yeah plenty mention exemptions.

But far too many saying nonsense like this:
“I’ve been wearing my mask and gloves since 2017. To protect everyone. Its not that hard. Unfortunately its those Trump supporters who are killing everyone spreading their germs. Still shielding, stay safe”

I honestly think some psychological harm has been effected on these people.

304844 ▶▶▶ JHuntz, replying to Thomas_E, 7, #936 of 1806 🔗

It’s absolutely hopeless. Social media is cancer.

304816 ▶▶ Ben, replying to Bart Simpson, 8, #937 of 1806 🔗

‘BBC journalist’ is an oxymoron. There are only BBC parrots or presstitutes

304843 ▶▶▶ AnotherSceptic, replying to Ben, 2, #938 of 1806 🔗

BBC Parasites.

304964 ▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to Ben, 2, #939 of 1806 🔗

Or more likely “propagandists”

304776 Awkward Git, replying to Awkward Git, 1, #940 of 1806 🔗

Predictive programming or a message to those in the club?:


304800 ▶▶ leggy, replying to Awkward Git, #941 of 1806 🔗

The trailer for that is horrendous. I’ve had that Bob Marley tune stuck as an earworm ever since.

304806 ▶▶ Thomas_E, replying to Awkward Git, #942 of 1806 🔗

Yes…of course it is..

304841 ▶▶ Noumenon, replying to Awkward Git, #943 of 1806 🔗

If it is predictive programming it’s not exactly a good advert.

304779 swedenborg, replying to swedenborg, 3, #944 of 1806 🔗

Interesting new article discussing Eco Health Alliance (main organisation together with Lancet to stop serious investigation of sarsCov-2) strong connection with Pentagon. Names connected with the search of WMD in Iraq is occurring here. No surprises. US Fort Derrick Biowarfare Org is involved.


304899 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to swedenborg, 1, #945 of 1806 🔗

On that note:
For the past twenty years, the world has been in the midst of a so-called “war on terror” set in motion by a false flag attack of spectacular proportions. And now, the stage is being set for a new spectacular attack to usher in the next stage in that war on terror: the war on bioterrorism.”

James Corbett: False Flags and the Dawn of Bioterrorism – Truth Comes to Light

304782 Jane B, 2, #946 of 1806 🔗

A few weeks ago there was an article about the formation of ‘An Alliance Against Lockdown’. Does anyone know if there has been any progress with this?

304784 Jonny S., replying to Jonny S., #947 of 1806 🔗

Reply to tenchy who posted about disinfectant somewhere below, you may be interested in this article on Iodine.


304794 ▶▶ Tenchy, replying to Jonny S., -1, #948 of 1806 🔗

Good one. It almost suggests that taking a snifter of the stuff could be an alternative to wearing a face nappy – oh wait ….

304797 ▶▶ DavidC, replying to Jonny S., #949 of 1806 🔗

Not far off Trump’s bleach comment!


304989 ▶▶▶ Cranmer, replying to DavidC, 3, #950 of 1806 🔗

That was a weird one. As with most of Trump’s pronouncements, when you watch them in context they are different to what the (largely) hostile media makes of them. The ‘injecting bleach’ one was basically him saying that as there had been good results with bleach destroying Covid on surfaces, could these properties somehow be adapted for medicinal use. It seemed a reasonable piece of ‘thinking aloud’ by a layman to me. Yet when challenged Trump claimed he was being sarcastic, which he clearly wasn’t.

305215 ▶▶▶▶ Stringfellow Hawke, replying to Cranmer, 2, #951 of 1806 🔗

Yes, when you watched the video – he was speaking sideways on, to a Dr clearly just out of camera shot, – hardly the same context to what was reported. Interestingly enough though not long after he said this, reports from Scientists in Russia clearly stated: “ “So far, no one has managed to hold UV disinfection inside a person,” he said. “We figured out how to do this…

304801 p02099003, replying to p02099003, 13, #952 of 1806 🔗

What really gets to me is the complete lack of any critical thinking by the medical or nursing profession. They seem to just go with the flow, I know there are concerns about job security within NHS trusts, but this is from colleagues who just appear to take things at face value.

304805 ▶▶ Ben, replying to p02099003, 6, #953 of 1806 🔗

Apparently a high number of doctors joined the Nazi party.

304812 ▶▶ Julian, replying to p02099003, 3, #954 of 1806 🔗

Well everyone ought to have critical thinking skills, but they seem rare, or rarely applied

I guess becoming a medical professional requires mainly hard work and following processes, and I suppose some ability to remember stuff – critical thinkers would make better workers, but it’s probably not a requirement

Sadly people trust the opinions of doctors and nurses regarding things like vaccines and pandemics at a societal level, but I don’t really know why they would – thinking about the wider issues isn’t really necessary.

304831 ▶▶ DeepBlueYonder, replying to p02099003, 2, #955 of 1806 🔗

I wonder to what extent NHS staff have been instructed (on pain of disciplinary action) not to communicate through the media and /or social media?

304837 ▶▶▶ Darryl, replying to DeepBlueYonder, 7, #956 of 1806 🔗

There are quite a few documented cases of NHS staff being sacked for speaking out against government measures (you can safely leak data and information supporting the government view).

304846 ▶▶▶ p02099003, replying to DeepBlueYonder, 1, #957 of 1806 🔗

I’m thinking more of private conversations at work.

304804 Darryl, replying to Darryl, 9, #958 of 1806 🔗

UK Column has an interesting section on the BBC ‘misinformation’ reporter infiltrating anti-lockdown groups and hassling its members. If anyone is still in any doubt the BBC is just an extension of the State and a propaganda machine they should check this out.

The press and media is now no more free in the UK than in the likes of Russia, the powers in this country are just better at hiding it and fooling the public.

Just wonder when the rounding up of dissidents will start on the orders of the likes of Marianna Spring? maybe she could share what fate awaits us if she is monitoring this forum.

304810 ▶▶ Ben, replying to Darryl, 4, #959 of 1806 🔗

I think it was UK Column who highlighted a screenshot of BBC statistics from the news. In large figures were numbers of deaths. In tiny words underneath was the explanation ‘deaths from any cause’

I can’t find the screenshot on Google

304826 ▶▶▶ Darryl, replying to Ben, 4, #960 of 1806 🔗

No sense of honesty from the BBC, they present information in a completely biased way. No doubt they have been tasked by the UK establishment to keep the population submissive and compliant.

304979 ▶▶▶▶ Cranmer, replying to Darryl, 1, #961 of 1806 🔗

It seems crystal clear to me that certain high-profile BBC and other MSM reporters (not mentioning any names) have been utterly corrupted/compromised. Otherwise why do they never depart from the official script during press conferences etc? How do they sleep at night? They must have ‘vicar of Bray’ levels of malleability.

305013 ▶▶▶▶▶ Darryl, replying to Cranmer, #962 of 1806 🔗

I can only assume they receive a generous salary top up to an offshore account to reward them for their compliance. Media and public figures clearly operate in a parallel universe to the general public – many are completely corrupt but never get punished like a normal citizen.

304808 Chloe, replying to Chloe, 24, #963 of 1806 🔗

Taken from Reddit:

Two people walk into a bar.

Both have been vaccinated.

However, both are still required to wear masks and socially distance to prevent them spreading Covid-19 to each other.

Also, the bar has been closed for months and the owners have been financially ruined and will never operate another successful small business again.

That’s it, that’s the joke.

304836 ▶▶ JHuntz, replying to Chloe, 5, #964 of 1806 🔗

If anyone was to ever buy a pub/ resteraunt again in the hypothetical world where anything resembling normal returns you would need to be purchasing it an absolute song. With a view that should a pandemic hit you will shut down for at least a year and ignore any governments diktats to open. This is a key part of this whole facade that goes over peoples head. This model completely kills enterprise right now and going forward.

305008 ▶▶ Ben, replying to Chloe, 5, #965 of 1806 🔗

The year is 2030 and all the bars, clubs, cafés, restaurants, threatres, cinemas that closed and went out of business because of Covid rules are owned by individuals and bodies connected to the World Economic Forum. Tony Blair owns 500 pubs that he picked up for a snip. He doesn’t know what to do with them yet

304817 Kev, 10, #966 of 1806 🔗

I’m fed up of the exponential use of the word exponential, by people who don’t understand what it means! Yes HandyCock I mean you, just because you use the word, doesn’t mean that is what is happening.

Nor does it prove anything if you extrapolate a current real or imagined trend.

304819 A. Contrarian, replying to A. Contrarian, 20, #967 of 1806 🔗

More weirdness on the Margaret Keenan story.

Apparently she was pictured hugging her daughter and son upon leaving the hospital.

But that’s against the rules! We’re not allowed! People like that shouldn’t be allowed to have the jab if they’re not going to do what they’re told!

But no, she gets applauded instead. Looks like immunity must be generated much more rapidly than we thought…

304872 ▶▶ Tom Blackburn, replying to A. Contrarian, 4, #968 of 1806 🔗

I stopped trying to make sense of it. Actual people who have actually caught the virus appear to be victims but those who haven’t are the baddies.

304882 ▶▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to Tom Blackburn, #969 of 1806 🔗

If it is the maskless that are breaking the rules, not social distancing etc.

Who is in hospital? The unlucky ones who did follow all the rules?

304881 ▶▶ stefarm, replying to A. Contrarian, 2, #970 of 1806 🔗

Was that in her script? Maybe she was ad-libbing. What will her handlers say

304972 ▶▶▶ Cranmer, replying to stefarm, 1, #971 of 1806 🔗

LOL I can just imagine someone in front of a big bank of screens screaming into the earpiece of a nearby ‘doctor’ plant…’What is she doing…GET HER OUT OF THERE, ABORT, ABORT!’

304903 ▶▶ Awkward Git, replying to A. Contrarian, 2, #972 of 1806 🔗

And weren’t they very young, she must have had them at 60.

305180 ▶▶▶ A. Contrarian, replying to Awkward Git, #973 of 1806 🔗

Apparently one was a grandchild? It’s all a bit unclear.

305263 ▶▶ dommo, replying to A. Contrarian, #974 of 1806 🔗

and as simon dolan pointed out, if MK is over 90 her “son and daughter” are MUCH TOO YOUNG!

304821 Borisbullshit, replying to Borisbullshit, 11, #975 of 1806 🔗

Apologies if this has been covered in another thread but I have just been listening to the latest London Calling with Toby Young and James Delingpole. As 2 sceptics they are increasingly diverging with Toby still believing in a considered calculation about minimising deaths for which the governments would be blamed followed by arse covering…. whilst James favours the ‘Great Reset’.

I must admit as this shit goes on forever I am less and less persuaded by Toby’s explanation. Thats party because isnt it odd that virtually all governments made the same calculation and that also the same policy has been favoured by dictatorships like China who have no need to worry about being blamed or the need for arse covering. Toby is also deeply involved in the relentless war on free speech….so is that incompetence too or is that being done for the same reasons? There again there is the Green New Deal…is that also incompetence and arse covering?

What does everybody think? If this shit show really is going to carry on for possibly years we need to formulate some coherent perspectives on motivations.

304832 ▶▶ Darryl, replying to Borisbullshit, 8, #976 of 1806 🔗

If Toby wasn’t reliant on the MSM for part of his income I suspect he might say something different. Self censorship? Look at the completely over the top response and you can see we are moving to a new authoritarian technocracy model of government.

304834 ▶▶ Harry hopkins, replying to Borisbullshit, 19, #977 of 1806 🔗

After nine months of this catastrophic shit show, if anyone still believes that it is down to bumbling incompetence they’re not part of the solution but increasingly part of the problem.

304859 ▶▶▶ Jonathan Palmer, replying to Harry hopkins, 12, #978 of 1806 🔗

It’s been obvious since the Leicester local lockdown that there is a conspiracy.All the other measures you can make a case for Government incompetence.
This became the basis for the local lockdown system which has morphed into the tier one.
The government want the population subdued while they carry out whatever it is they are doing.
I’m torn between a controlled demolition of the economy to bring in the green new deal or a forestalling of the economic collapse that was due from the sticking plaster of 2008.
Having read about the WEF I’m not convinced because of a lot of their policies seem like a science fiction.
Just because we don’t know exactly what,doesn’t mean something seriously bad is being undertaken.

305280 ▶▶▶▶ PastImperfect, replying to Jonathan Palmer, 1, #979 of 1806 🔗

“a lot of their policies seem like a science fiction.”

The emphasis on “seem” .

So often Scifi becomes reality.

304862 ▶▶▶ Julian, replying to Harry hopkins, 3, #980 of 1806 🔗

Who is saying it is down to bumbling incompetence? No-one I know. It’s simply politics as usual, on steroids because of the hysteria.

304875 ▶▶▶▶ Jonathan Palmer, replying to Julian, 8, #981 of 1806 🔗

The conspiracy comes from what they hope to bring in on the back of the Covid scam.
Incompetence theory is based on the premise that the government panicked and overreacted initially and everything they have done subsequently,is to cover the initial reaction.
Toby and Hitchens share this view.

304887 ▶▶▶▶▶ Julian, replying to Jonathan Palmer, 7, #982 of 1806 🔗

Incompetence theory is based on the premise that the government panicked and overreacted initially and everything they have done subsequently,is to cover the initial reaction.”

Yes, I also share this view, but to brand it “bumbling incompetence” is not accurate IMO. It was initially cowardice in the main, and since then has been more cowardice, arse-covering, love of easy power, vanity, lies and treason. Branding it “incompetence” suggests we think they mean well but are just messing it up – that’s obviously not the case.

304890 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Mabel Cow, replying to Julian, 11, #983 of 1806 🔗

100%. The politicians are like a bunch of kids who have broken into a house on a dare and have realised that there’s no-one to stop them trashing the place and doing whatever they want.

305284 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ PastImperfect, replying to Julian, 1, #984 of 1806 🔗

On your premise, what is the end game?

304866 ▶▶ Tom Blackburn, replying to Borisbullshit, 2, #985 of 1806 🔗

I’m with Toby.

Initial mistakes, subsequently covered up and built upon with lies (so yeah, a conspiracy of sorts) aka human nature.

304879 ▶▶▶ Jonathan Palmer, replying to Tom Blackburn, 6, #986 of 1806 🔗

How would you explain the almost uniform response around the world?

305287 ▶▶▶▶ PastImperfect, replying to Jonathan Palmer, 1, #987 of 1806 🔗

And the denial of HCQ?

304867 ▶▶ Julian, replying to Borisbullshit, 4, #988 of 1806 🔗

we need to formulate some coherent perspectives on motivations.” How would this help? We first need people to realise there is no public health emergency as this is the tool being used for controlling people.

304947 ▶▶ Nobody2020, replying to Borisbullshit, 2, #989 of 1806 🔗

I just think they’ve trapped themselves. Start with the extreme position of preventing all deaths and there’s no way to roll back from it. Every step that adds even one death becomes unacceptable.

305297 ▶▶ PastImperfect, replying to Borisbullshit, 1, #990 of 1806 🔗

About the only scenario that ticks all the boxes is the Great Reset with its associated agendas.

We need to end it asap. Find out what works for you.

304822 Dan Clarke, 7, #991 of 1806 🔗

Good experience in large local garden centre today, where 6 people including me were non muzzled, even had an assistant come over and explain than if I couldn’t find what I was looking for, they were expecting more stock.

304827 Mr Dee, replying to Mr Dee, 2, #992 of 1806 🔗

Public health warning.

I advise you NOT to watch the video embedded in this article (actually, I advise you not to read the article either), unless you want to end up in A&E with shards of broken glass from your computer screen embedded in your fist.


304856 ▶▶ Julian, replying to Mr Dee, 4, #993 of 1806 🔗

I advise you NOT to watch the BBC, unless you want to end up in A&E with shards of broken glass from your computer screen embedded in your fist.”

304948 ▶▶▶ Mr Dee, replying to Julian, 4, #994 of 1806 🔗

It’s useful sometimes to see what the enemy is planning. I regard it as reconnaissance deep within enemy territory. Difficult to come out unscathed though.

304898 ▶▶ Silke David, replying to Mr Dee, 1, #995 of 1806 🔗

Only read the headline.
How are they supposed to “eat”?
Liquidise the food and suck it through a straw underneath the face covering?

304963 ▶▶▶ Mr Dee, replying to Silke David, 1, #996 of 1806 🔗

Yes. Happy Christmas.

305125 ▶▶▶ Chris John, replying to Silke David, #997 of 1806 🔗

drink the KoolAid (christmas lunch flavour)TM

304829 Harry hopkins, replying to Harry hopkins, 29, #998 of 1806 🔗

Latest news today is that 12 billion pounds— I’ll repeat that 12 BILLION pounds— will be spent on vaccinating the British public against a disease that has not been isolated, at worst is similar to flu and at best isn’t even noticeable to those who might have it.

This is YOUR money and to put it in perspective could be spent —depending on whose figures you take— on building 20-30 state of the art hospitals.

304840 ▶▶ Luckyharry69, replying to Harry hopkins, 11, #999 of 1806 🔗

add that to the 22 BILLION spent on ‘track and trace’? (monitoring watching and harassing people)….34 BILLION in total?….

600,000 people in danger of losing their jobs in Hospitality alone?…….

304842 ▶▶▶ captainbeefheart, replying to Luckyharry69, 11, #1000 of 1806 🔗

Has it also cost about £300 billion to keep people sitting around on their arse for the last 9 months before they lose their jobs?

304871 ▶▶▶▶ Luckyharry69, replying to captainbeefheart, 5, #1001 of 1806 🔗

The ‘STATE’ now has all those people by the short and curlies?…they have to comply……give up their ‘non viable’ jobs and retrain in Johnson’s GREEN utopia……or just claim Universal Credit/Universal Income

304912 ▶▶▶▶▶ Norman, replying to Luckyharry69, #1002 of 1806 🔗

Big difference between the two numbers:

UC (aka Universal Misery) was designed by Treasury (Osborne?) to squeeze the poor and reduce the benefits bill while still cutting taxes on the top 1-10%.

A UBI might one assumes be enough to live on, similar to what you get working at minimum wage for 40 hrs/wk. (But a UBI would still let you go out to work if you want and not lose the ‘safety net’, that’s the point of it.)

305752 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Jonathan Palmer, replying to Norman, #1003 of 1806 🔗

The whole point of UBI is there won’t be jobs to do.The 4th industrial revolution will put paid to them.Also it will never be enough.Extra money in the system will cause inflation and the price of goods will rise accordingly.Will end up in an inflationary spiral.

304848 ▶▶▶ Harry hopkins, replying to Luckyharry69, 4, #1004 of 1806 🔗

And to think that the bumbling idiot who presides over this came to national prominence in ‘Have I got news for you’ which for those who aren’t familiar with it is a comedy show meant to highlight buffoonery, hypocrisy and double speak in those who would govern us.

304895 ▶▶ Julian, replying to Harry hopkins, 1, #1005 of 1806 🔗

Extra treatment for heart disease, diabetes, cancer…

A powerful argument against pro lockdown people – can they honestly say the money could not have been better spent?

304924 ▶▶▶ Marialta, replying to Julian, 1, #1006 of 1806 🔗

Primary health Care services which prevent unnecessary hospital admission are vital and yet the politicians like to talk about shiny new hospitals.

304965 ▶▶▶▶ Banjones, replying to Marialta, #1007 of 1806 🔗

Talk about them – and then spend the money on something else, totally unnecessary.

304961 ▶▶▶ Banjones, replying to Julian, #1008 of 1806 🔗

I don’t think pro-lockdown people even try to see the big picture. This is very much all about their own personal ”safety”, as they see it. As they’ve been told to see it.

304950 ▶▶ Banjones, replying to Harry hopkins, 1, #1009 of 1806 🔗

And STILL they go on paying out millions for these unfit-for-mass-testing PCR tests. A hundred pounds each, is it? When you think that that money could simply be spent on treating anyone who becomes ill with this fast-vanishing virus……

304987 ▶▶ Andrew K, replying to Harry hopkins, 1, #1010 of 1806 🔗

£12 Billion, £100billion, £1 trillion, it does not matter, the great reset will make all current Fiat currencies worthless. Look at th US money supply

304839 Allen, replying to Allen, 42, #1011 of 1806 🔗

Quit begging for crumbs people.

Anyone who thinks this has anything to do with a virus is not paying attention. Our lives are being destroyed by super rich parasites and their puppets. Quit asking for permission to get your lives back.

304851 ▶▶ Julian, replying to Allen, 9, #1012 of 1806 🔗

In the eyes of the public it is about a virus. That is the mechanism being used to frighten people, it’s the means of control. If you defeat that narrative, the fear goes and the public wake up.

Who is asking for permission/begging?

304854 ▶▶ awildgoose, replying to Allen, 9, #1013 of 1806 🔗

It should be clear the elite have stolen our freedom and plan to grow even wealthier selling little bits of freedom back to us at exorbitant prices.

304945 ▶▶▶ Banjones, replying to awildgoose, 2, #1014 of 1806 🔗

They’re most definitely NOT ”elite”.

304889 ▶▶ mattghg, replying to Allen, -9, #1015 of 1806 🔗

Well, aren’t you a hero from behind a keyboard.

304998 ▶▶▶ Allen, replying to mattghg, 6, #1016 of 1806 🔗

I’m no hero- but I do speak out against this every single day in public and do go into shops where I live as the only unmasked person and challenge those who come up to me, educate them and confront managers when necessary.

There is nothing heroic in this it is what everyone needs to do even as we should not have to do so- unfortunately.

So no this is not from behind some keyboard and you only assume this because you are a coward.

305621 ▶▶▶▶ sam, replying to Allen, #1017 of 1806 🔗

well i think you are a hero allen.

304850 awildgoose, replying to awildgoose, 8, #1018 of 1806 🔗

US Speaker of the House Pelosi mandating masks in the US House:


It should be obvious to thinking people face nappies are here to stay.

304853 ▶▶ Julian, replying to awildgoose, 5, #1019 of 1806 🔗

Tier 1 (masks, distancing, T&T) is the New Normal

304855 ▶▶ Bella Donna, replying to awildgoose, 11, #1020 of 1806 🔗

Personally I think Pelosi should wear a full face mask.

304894 ▶▶▶ Darryl, replying to Bella Donna, 7, #1021 of 1806 🔗

Why do the most evil people seem to stay in government jobs for so long? In the private sector she would have retired at least a decade ago.

304917 ▶▶▶▶ awildgoose, replying to Darryl, 5, #1022 of 1806 🔗

There is an Amazon river of corporate and foreign money flowing through DC.

I imagine it’s similar in London and Paris.

304940 ▶▶▶ Ewan Duffy, replying to Bella Donna, 1, #1023 of 1806 🔗


Something like this would work, complete with the rest of the outfit. I’m sure we could crowdfund a pyramid for her also.

304860 ▶▶ Dan Clarke, replying to awildgoose, 7, #1024 of 1806 🔗

Cannot understand it, if you have the power to stop it, why do they want their faces covered.

304863 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to awildgoose, 4, #1025 of 1806 🔗

There is one person not for wearing a mask:
BREAKING: Trump does coin toss at Army-Navy football game – YouTube

I get a really strange feeling watching that clip. The noise, the military atmosphere, the masks, the really claustrophobic camera angles.

304878 ▶▶▶ awildgoose, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 2, #1026 of 1806 🔗


In my darker moments I can see the US election coming down to captains and colonels arresting Obama-installed generals at gunpoint.

304938 ▶▶▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to awildgoose, 2, #1027 of 1806 🔗

He’s been talking up so much since even before election day that they aware of the adverse influence being primed for Biden. Since then he’s come right out and said many many things. Time for him to actually act or shut up and disappear to the care home.

305281 ▶▶▶▶▶ awildgoose, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 1, #1028 of 1806 🔗

I don’t see a Caesar in Trump.

I imagine he will slink away or the Left will imprison him on trumped up charges.

304986 ▶▶▶▶ Crystal Decanter, replying to awildgoose, 2, #1029 of 1806 🔗

Red China will invade Taiwan the minute Bejing Biden takes office

305283 ▶▶▶▶▶ awildgoose, replying to Crystal Decanter, #1030 of 1806 🔗

Taiwan will be Biden’s inauguration gift to Xi.

304877 ▶▶ swedenborg, replying to awildgoose, 4, #1031 of 1806 🔗

There is no hope for US. This is quoted from a doctor working for TV channel MSNBC

 I get my vaccine tomorrow and I’m grateful to the scientists who labored to make this day happen After the 2nd dose 21 days later, I will continue masking, distancing and avoiding travel, until Dr Fauci says otherwise. Stay vigilant, ignore the noise, normalcy is ahead.

304883 ▶▶▶ awildgoose, replying to swedenborg, 2, #1032 of 1806 🔗

The inventor of the PCR test thinks little of Fauci:


Conveniently, Mr. Mullis died 72 days before China confirmed the outbreak.

304910 ▶▶ stefarm, replying to awildgoose, 4, #1033 of 1806 🔗

Was it her who didn’t wear when she was getting her Barnet cut?

305011 ▶▶▶ PoshPanic, replying to stefarm, 3, #1034 of 1806 🔗

yes and she was advocating shutdowns of salons, but arranged her own session.

305004 ▶▶ PoshPanic, replying to awildgoose, 3, #1035 of 1806 🔗

Maybe she could start by wearing one in the hairdressers?

304861 Bella Donna, replying to Bella Donna, 4, #1036 of 1806 🔗

Today I received what was a very conciliatory sounding email from my conservative MP regarding the vaccine and not her normal CCP round robin cut and paste job. I wonder what brought that on!

304884 ▶▶ Mabel Cow, replying to Bella Donna, 5, #1037 of 1806 🔗

Funny you should say that. I also just received a slightly-less cut-and-paste email from my MP (also a woman; perhaps the same one?).

Her email still parroted the standard government bullshit, but the tone was much more “please don’t hate me” than the previous one I got from her which went so far as to warn me of the fines I could receive for non-compliance with the diktats.

I’d like to think that something has changed within the Tory party to prompt this, but the cynic in me just thinks it’s standard two-faced political manoeuvring. No doubt she also sent plenty of emails to her lockdownista constituents telling them how hard line she is.

304893 ▶▶▶ Julian, replying to Mabel Cow, 3, #1038 of 1806 🔗

The petition that sparked yesterday’s debate now has 325,000 signatures. Maybe that got their attention.

304941 ▶▶▶▶ Banjones, replying to Julian, #1039 of 1806 🔗

Yet this one is growing strangely slowly:

304981 ▶▶▶▶▶ Crystal Decanter, replying to Banjones, #1040 of 1806 🔗

petitions do nothing
turn up in person at your MP surgery and demand

304908 ▶▶▶ Danny, replying to Mabel Cow, 4, #1041 of 1806 🔗

Unlike the latest email I got from Peter Kyle in response to plea not to support a slide into mandatory vaccination.
He agreed that it should not he mandatory, but went on argue basically that as long as we all voluntarily take it, then it won’t need to be mandatory.
Can’t argue with that logic!!

304935 ▶▶▶ Banjones, replying to Mabel Cow, 1, #1042 of 1806 🔗

I had one from mine too, telling me she has a lot of correspondence and directing me to her FAQs. I shan’t bother. I’m still incandescent after reading her words to Madge H in parliament:
” I have always warmly appreciated the energy with which the Secretary of State has successfully prevented our hospitals from being overwhelmed, and I have also backed this amazing vaccine that has now been rolled out. ….”

Do you think he simpered and blushed prettily before answering her? This kind of thing sickens me. I shall waste no time in writing to her to say that she should remember she is supposed to be speaking FOR US, not expressing her own strangely warm appreciation of someone generally considered to be an arrogant, self-serving oik who has been complicit in the ruin of this country.

304864 helen, replying to helen, 6, #1043 of 1806 🔗


If you have the strong feeling that things are very wrong, your instincts are sound. And it’s

surprisingly simple to fix. Campaign relentlessly to immediately halt mass PCR testing for

reasons above. There is absolutely no risk and only gains. One gain will be the rapid re-emergence of our country.

Submit a Statement

Inspect the evidence


305257 ▶▶ dommo, replying to helen, #1044 of 1806 🔗

yes yes yes – this looks like a very promising avenue! everybody should take a look and get a claim in…

304869 swedenborg, 4, #1045 of 1806 🔗

https://twitter.com/ClareCraigPath/status/1339177460122972161 About Hancock’s mutant strain.Clare Craig’s comment clarifies.Only strains which replicate more give enough sample for sequencing. No wonder they are easier finding more transmissible strains

“Of all the cases of COVID diagnosed in the UK only 0.8% have been sequenced by Cogconsortium uk Strains that replicate more will have a higher chance of reaching the criteria of a good volume of good quality DNA needed for sequencing. There’ll be significant bias.”

304870 Dan Clarke, replying to Dan Clarke, 5, #1046 of 1806 🔗

The only place to defeat the propaganda at their own game is the msm, twitter, etc where the sheep lurk

304931 ▶▶ Cranmer, replying to Dan Clarke, 2, #1047 of 1806 🔗

I dislike Faecebook, but I do post occasionally with the hope of gently provoking a bit of wrong-think. A good place to start is those ‘sponsored’ threads that appear, usually pushing some NHS/PHE diktat or some Covid-avoidance miracle product. Oddly enough, the former tend to have a lot of sceptical posts on them, but the latter seem to be 100% compliant – I suspect they are carefully curated, with paid posters etc.

305041 ▶▶▶ LuluJo, replying to Cranmer, #1048 of 1806 🔗

I do my bit by always reporting the .gov, nhs,phe ones as spam…

305005 ▶▶ dhpaul, replying to Dan Clarke, 2, #1049 of 1806 🔗

I’m not a big user of Facebook, only have 20 friends on there. I hardly post but have posted a couple of anti lockdown messages over the last two months laced with humour. I got zero response, not even a like, certainly no comment. Noone had the guts to even say they think I’m talking rubbish.
Some of these are going to be unfriended shortly. I am going to review each of them and thin out those who are visible covid zealots, ie pictures of themselves in muzzles, unnecessary references to being safe or social distancing, as well as general political correctness or wokeness. I don’t suppose any of them will be bothered, neither will I. Do I think it will make any difference? No but it will make me feel better for a few minutes!

305786 ▶▶▶ Borisbullshit, replying to dhpaul, #1050 of 1806 🔗

Hope its more than a few minutes….who needs these people.

304876 Bella Donna, replying to Bella Donna, 3, #1051 of 1806 🔗
304925 ▶▶ Hieronimusb, replying to Bella Donna, #1052 of 1806 🔗

‘Obedience is next to Godliness’… now there’s a message you can chew on, and then eject into the nearest cuspidor (not enough around these days, horrid germy things, can’t think why I said that).

304897 kh1485, replying to kh1485, 15, #1054 of 1806 🔗

There are some people who are still not taking the Trap n Trace thing seriously. Today:

Joan of Arc 😉

304922 ▶▶ Mr Dee, replying to kh1485, 5, #1055 of 1806 🔗

The three restaurants I’ve been to in the last few weeks haven’t even paid lip service to Trap & Trace. It’s totally ignored in these parts.

304930 ▶▶▶ Hieronimusb, replying to Mr Dee, 5, #1056 of 1806 🔗

Pizza Express Cardiff were acceptably half-hearted about it last Friday.

305052 ▶▶▶▶ Crystal Decanter, replying to Hieronimusb, 2, #1057 of 1806 🔗

Had a fight on my hands in Harvester Cardiff Bay
managed to blag my way in but it was a struggle

304959 ▶▶▶ Paul, replying to Mr Dee, 3, #1058 of 1806 🔗

What’s a restaurant Mr Dee ?,sorry,it’s been so long up here I can’t remember.

305059 ▶▶▶▶ Mr Dee, replying to Paul, 6, #1059 of 1806 🔗

Although I’m in the Soviet Republik of Wales, luckily I’m on the border, so can nip over to sunny Shropshire for a dose of sanity and a slap-up meal. (Probably illegal. I don’t even know anymore. )

304951 ▶▶ Paul, replying to kh1485, 2, #1060 of 1806 🔗

Whenever I see Joan of Arc my brain says OMD not The Maid of Orleans like it should really !.

305036 ▶▶▶ kh1485, replying to Paul, 2, #1061 of 1806 🔗

Ahh … the 80s, what wonderful times! (Sighs wistfully).

305188 ▶▶ Stringfellow Hawke, replying to kh1485, 1, #1062 of 1806 🔗

Noah’s Wife? 🙂

305195 ▶▶ Richym99, replying to kh1485, 2, #1063 of 1806 🔗

17 year old son of a friend of mine researches different characters in history and has a different name for every establishment that requries track and trace.

304906 Banjones, 1, #1064 of 1806 🔗

I’ve only just arrived today!
So this may already have been spoken of/linked to. Apologies if I repeat.

304907 stefarm, replying to stefarm, 19, #1065 of 1806 🔗

Just had a phone call with 1 of my team whom I manage.

Nice girl, outgoing, early twenties, has some good life experience, been backpacking and travelling etc. Lives on her own. Smart cookie.

Said she is craving some human contact and feels stale.

Me ‘hmm, human contact is important even if people are not generally outgoing. Wondered why they want us trapped indoors’

‘hmmm, to make us unwell?’

Me ‘there you go, you are getting there. See, people covering their fases, no means to communicate, no friendly smiles. People need to see faces and need to interact. It’s mental torture’

‘I don’t mind wearing a mask’

Me ‘hmm hmm’ she has previously complained about people not wearing masks, then she tells me.

‘I haven’t been feeling well, had a terrible migraine last night, aching limbs, hot sweats’

You can only lead people so far, they just don’t want to make the jump.

I’m making myself sick by following the rules which doesn’t make sense but must follow the rules even though they don’t make sense.

304916 ▶▶ awildgoose, replying to stefarm, 7, #1066 of 1806 🔗

She’s lost to the brainwashing.

I’m sorry.

304920 ▶▶ Banjones, replying to stefarm, 12, #1067 of 1806 🔗

I’ve been into town today (yes, I know how to have fun…)
No muzzle. No confrontations – but lots of friendly chats with assistants and even other shoppers all of whom seemed happy and relieved that someone, anyone, was prepared to engage, speak, joke and smile. (I always did – but now it seems more important.)

I’m not strong enough for confrontation, so I do wear my cotton scarf loosely round my chin, ready to pull up in a dire emergency. Never needed to! I feel annoyed with people wearing muzzles in the open air – bonkers – but even more, I feel sorry for them and what they are losing.

304927 ▶▶ vargas99, replying to stefarm, 2, #1068 of 1806 🔗

You can take horse to water, but you can’t make it drink…. Poor kid, no hope.

304913 steve_w, 5, #1069 of 1806 🔗

someone tested positive at our primary school today. they sent a few close contacts home but everything else normal.

sent my daughter in with a bit of a cold today. not covid though

304914 Jay Berger, replying to Jay Berger, 19, #1070 of 1806 🔗

vor 8 Minuten


A German doctor has analysed infections and death rates in Kansas counties with and without mask mandates (his study, in English, is embedded in the above linked article)

Result: mask wearing INCREASES infections AND deaths!

Which is logical: a mildly infected asymptomatic mask wearer breathes in the exhaled virus particles again and mire deeply, making him more infected, symptomatic and infectious.

I guess, there is a bright side to politicians zealousness on masks…

304919 ▶▶ Crystal Decanter, replying to Jay Berger, 11, #1071 of 1806 🔗

They will put all the bacterial pneumonia infections caused by masks down to Covid.
Same with any deaths/illness caused by the Frankenjab

304962 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to Jay Berger, 6, #1072 of 1806 🔗

This is exactly what Jenny Harris (PHE) claimed in May on BBC.

Also, Kevin McKernan’s recent twitter thread had a large one dedicated to the possibility that masks are nebulisers. So they don’t really protect others.

And Masks have done nothing for Europe

304926 Nobody2020, replying to Nobody2020, 19, #1073 of 1806 🔗

Anybody remember a couple of weeks in the summer when Sweden had the highest deaths per million rate? All the papers were falling over themselves claiming that Sweden had failed.

As of today they rank in the mid 20s and likely to drop further but somehow they’re still failing.

Curioser and curiouser.

304943 ▶▶ steve_w, replying to Nobody2020, 3, #1074 of 1806 🔗

so much cherry picking from the lockdown zealots

304956 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to Nobody2020, 1, #1075 of 1806 🔗


However, voluntary lockdowns and long covid.

Sorry, something like that.

305024 ▶▶ Silke David, replying to Nobody2020, 1, #1076 of 1806 🔗

The MSM is still going on about how Sweden failed, though.
Just saw sth today.

305040 ▶▶ Draper233, replying to Nobody2020, 8, #1077 of 1806 🔗

Check out McNally’s grotesque piece in the Guardian (link in today’s round up).

He claims the Swedish approach has been “disastrous” and effectively accuses Tegnell – along with Gupta and Heneghan – of being cranks.

What he doesn’t mention is that the vast majority of deaths in Sweden have occurred in care homes, which were locked down, so the wider strategy has been largely successful.

Sweden also had much milder flu seasons compared to its neighbours in 2019-20, has a higher percentage of elderly people and higher population density in its main cities.

He also fails to address Ferguson’s model that predicted around 85,000 deaths if Sweden didn’t take measures against Covid, but apparently even though it still hasn’t even reached 10% of that figure in 9 months, it’s still “disastrous”.

305047 ▶▶▶ Will, replying to Draper233, 5, #1078 of 1806 🔗

And Sweden has had zero excess deaths. And they didn’t shut down their health system for three months.

305104 ▶▶▶▶ Draper233, replying to Will, 1, #1079 of 1806 🔗

Depends how it’s measured I think.

Based on Statista’s data, I would say by calendar year Sweden may finish with some excess deaths (if based on the usual definition of 5-year average), but even if this is the case it doesn’t look like it will be significant in the context of its “disastrous” approach to a deadly pandemic.


305166 ▶▶▶▶▶ RickH, replying to Draper233, #1080 of 1806 🔗

(if based on the usual definition of 5-year average)”

… which is actually a nonsense baseline in the historical context.

305099 ▶▶ jrsm, replying to Nobody2020, 3, #1081 of 1806 🔗

Portugal’s “COVID” deaths are closing fast on Sweden’s, for a similar population. In the spring, you would get “journalistic” pieces exposing how they had killed half their elderly population with a dangerous and selfish experiment. Now, of course, it’s as if Sweden never existed.

304928 TheBigman, 8, #1082 of 1806 🔗

The caller, Gemma, to LBC is entirely fine and the assertion that it’s not just goes to show how intolerable the ‘tolerable’ are when, like any dictator, they’re onfronted like the bullies they are. More light should be shun on this, but it won’t be as that would derail the plan.

As for South Africa, watch this space, think the caller above is bad wait to you see the real racists openly call for the killing of the farmers there. It will come here in some form if we do not remain an open, discussing the difficult things and free nation we were not too long ago.


304932 Ewan Duffy, replying to Ewan Duffy, 16, #1083 of 1806 🔗

Was visiting my parents today and noticed a subtle change in attitude (in the right direction).

I refuse to wear a face nappy (I am exempt as I have asthma). Up to now my parents have been accusing me of not wanting to wear a mask. Today, my Dad, who was going to Lidl and invited me to join him, stopped in his tracks and excused me, saying “Oh, you can’t wear a mask …..”, not “you won’t wear a mask” which has been his attitude for the last 9 months.

305074 ▶▶ Ben, replying to Ewan Duffy, 7, #1084 of 1806 🔗

I’m ‘exempt’ because I can’t breathe with them on. I honestly wonder if people would rather I keel over and die in a shop to prove it.

305133 ▶▶▶ Derek Toyne, replying to Ben, 7, #1085 of 1806 🔗

Hello everyone I went to the doctors today because I’ve been having chest pains due to wearing a face mask at work. I also have asthma and the nurse there told me the high blood pressure I’ve got from wearing a face mask is common.

305250 ▶▶▶▶ Ben, replying to Derek Toyne, 2, #1086 of 1806 🔗

OMG! Face masks cause high blood pressure too?

Is the Government trying to actually kill us?

305276 ▶▶▶▶ mjr, replying to Derek Toyne, 1, #1087 of 1806 🔗

OMG an appointment at a surgery and seen by a real person . You must be private .

304933 Morse, replying to Morse, 58, #1088 of 1806 🔗

Just had a blazing row with my brother. He is totally brainwashed and is incapable of thinking for himself. I am still reeling as he is intelligent guy and holds a senior position in a listed company, but boy oh boy, he is a complete zombie.

We hadn’t talked about “it” in a while, I actually backed off from giving my opinion lately as I do get on with him really well, but today he came out with a load of garbage about bubbles and hospitals and that I could die as I have an underlying health issue and wasn’t I worried. To which I responded no, I’ll make my own decisions and won’t be told by anyone else, we live in a free country and can do as we like. I also reminded him that everyday life contains risks and if I was to take his advice to “be careful”with everything I do then I would never leave my bedroom let alone the house. Then he came out with “they” are in charge of us and we have do what “they” say, I said who is “they”, he responded the government, to which I reminded him that “we” are in charge and not “they”, “they” are elected by us. He just didn’t get it. Waffled on about there is nothing your lot can do most people don’t think like you, which was the only true thing he said.

We are fucked, I tell you. Truly, completely, fucked. They have done a real job on the zombies. You could tell them to do anything and they will follow without question.

How has this happened in front of our eyes?

304939 ▶▶ Crystal Decanter, replying to Morse, 41, #1089 of 1806 🔗

Television was the nail
Social media was the hammer
Smart phones were the lube

304971 ▶▶▶ Morse, replying to Crystal Decanter, 5, #1090 of 1806 🔗

Ha ha, spot on!

304960 ▶▶ Thomas_E, replying to Morse, 24, #1091 of 1806 🔗

He is gone, like my family. Keep the nice memories of him and avoid contact if you ever want to talk to him again. Maybe, years down the line when all this has calm down, maybe then you will be able to have a reasonable conversation , but until then there is no hope

304973 ▶▶▶ JHuntz, replying to Thomas_E, 15, #1092 of 1806 🔗

Yep, some people are totally gone. It is just like when they turn zombie in the films and there is nothing you can do to get them back.

305037 ▶▶▶▶ Josephine K, replying to JHuntz, 8, #1093 of 1806 🔗

Reminds me of the body snatchers….maybe that’s what’s happened…..do not sleep whatever you do

304983 ▶▶ PoshPanic, replying to Morse, 10, #1094 of 1806 🔗

Tell him he’s supporting the slow death and destruction of the poor. If he doesn’t respond to that, he’s definitely a severe case.

305657 ▶▶▶ Morse, replying to PoshPanic, #1095 of 1806 🔗

Yeah I guess thats the bit he doesn’t get, he’s a six figure salary guy and I have always run my own business. Unless you feel the pain, why should you change? It’s also at the heart of the reason why they acquiesce so easily, I’m alright Jack. The tsunami is en route for those fuckers, mark my words.

305051 ▶▶ Mr Dee, replying to Morse, 14, #1096 of 1806 🔗

My commiserations, Mo.

This mirrors almost exactly the conversation I had with my parents this morning. Thoroughly dispiriting. I’d even e-mailed them stats from the ONS, Euromomo, and even the BBC, to try to persuade them it’s safe to see their grand-daughter before Christmas, but they’ve not looked at the evidence.

To be honest, and it sounds quite callous, but I’m not letting it bother me. The choice is theirs. I can’t let myself get down over things I have no control over. Thank God I have a wife and three kids with alert, enquiring minds who see through this bullshit. I’ll concentrate my efforts on helping them through this instead. Onwards and upwards!

The thing is, it’s the Zombified who are fucked. We’re not, and never can be, because our eyes are open.

305169 ▶▶ RickH, replying to Morse, 2, #1097 of 1806 🔗

Look on the bright side – the illogicality blows the ‘argument’ out of the water.

305245 ▶▶ Ben, replying to Morse, 3, #1098 of 1806 🔗

This is why there needs to be trails for those complicit in crimes against humanity. Kay Burley has fled to Africa after breaking Covid lockdown rules to have a party. This is the mainstream media

305793 ▶▶ Borisbullshit, replying to Morse, 2, #1099 of 1806 🔗

I think thats how it is now….if people were told to wear 2 masks now they would. If they were told to only breathe in through their nose they would. I dont think there is much now they would not do. Except if they were told to do some independent research….somehow I dont think they would do that.

304934 Crystal Decanter, replying to Crystal Decanter, 6, #1100 of 1806 🔗

Red China will invade Taiwan the minute Joe Biden takes office

304976 ▶▶ calchas, replying to Crystal Decanter, #1101 of 1806 🔗


304990 ▶▶▶ Crystal Decanter, replying to calchas, 5, #1102 of 1806 🔗

Because they can
Taiwan is the real China and it must be removed from history

304995 ▶▶▶▶ Ossettian, replying to Crystal Decanter, #1103 of 1806 🔗

They don’t have the amphibious capability.

305090 ▶▶▶▶ calchas, replying to Crystal Decanter, 2, #1104 of 1806 🔗

Taiwan, as a satellite of China’s economy, is already under Beijing’s control – more or less.

I am not saying it will never happen, but currently such an invasion would have far greater costs than benefits for Beijing.

305175 ▶▶▶▶▶ RickH, replying to calchas, 1, #1105 of 1806 🔗

… and, whatever else, the Chinese leadership isn’t stupid.

305271 ▶▶▶▶▶ mjr, replying to calchas, 2, #1106 of 1806 🔗

they need to manufacture something – an “uprising” in taiwan leading to civil unrest that the CCP has to act on. . However in the meantime they are concentrating on taking over the south china sea – building artificial islands in neutral waters etc

305451 ▶▶▶▶▶ awildgoose, replying to calchas, #1107 of 1806 🔗

This is the most likely scenario.

There is already so much interaction between Taiwan and the mainland that Taiwan is already effectively reclaimed.

305309 ▶▶▶ AN other lockdown sceptic, replying to calchas, 1, #1108 of 1806 🔗

It’s always been part of their plan. Tibet then HK then Taiwan. The Taiwanese have war-gamed it as per this book – https://tinyurl.com/y99ton6k

In terms of the timing, who knows but 2 things spring to mind about it happening if Beijing Biden takes office:

  1. He failed to stop them developing the islands in the S China Sea, so they know that he’s weak
  2. His family is compromised as they’ve taken loads of cash off the CCP
304942 leggy, 13, #1109 of 1806 🔗

Worth posting this again – around 1/3 of people quarantined for up to a week in Toronto during SARS 1 suffered from PTSD. The instance increased the longer the quarantine.


Billions of people have now had 9 months of it. The SPI-B and BIT people would know that they are torturing us already of course.

304944 p02099003, replying to p02099003, 5, #1110 of 1806 🔗

Courtesy of Boris
“He urges people to keep the numbers they are in contact with as low as possible in the run up to Christmas

He also ask people to avoid travelling from a high prevalence area to a low prevalence area and to avoid staying at other places overnight.

Elderly people should wait until they are vaccinated before spending time indoors with relatives, he says.

And he warns against joining crowded areas in the Boxing Day sales.

“Have yourself a merry little Christmas and this year I do mean little,” he says adding: “Things will be better by Easter.” “

304974 ▶▶ PoshPanic, replying to p02099003, 18, #1111 of 1806 🔗

“Just 3 weeks”
“It will be over in November, certainly by Christmas”

305032 ▶▶▶ RichardJames, replying to PoshPanic, 7, #1112 of 1806 🔗

Exactly. They all (bastard Whitty and bastard Vallance included) lie like they breathe.

305177 ▶▶▶▶ RickH, replying to RichardJames, #1113 of 1806 🔗

(or more like they fart)

305235 ▶▶▶ Ben, replying to PoshPanic, 1, #1114 of 1806 🔗

They knew it was lies all along

305031 ▶▶ RichardJames, replying to p02099003, 11, #1115 of 1806 🔗

GFY, Boris. And while you’re about it, stop lying about “Things will be better by Easter.” You said that numerous times throughout the year, and you were lying every time.

305167 ▶▶ Paul, replying to p02099003, 9, #1116 of 1806 🔗

Fuck you Johnson,you fat,useless,lying bastard.

305233 ▶▶ stevie, replying to p02099003, 2, #1117 of 1806 🔗

So we allow the shops to open Boxing Day but the PM asks people to boycott the shops.

304946 Cecil B, replying to Cecil B, 10, #1118 of 1806 🔗

Wouldn’t it be a whole lot easier if we just asked the Russians or Chinese to nuke the whole country and have done with it

305164 ▶▶ Paul, replying to Cecil B, #1119 of 1806 🔗

It feel’s like that would be a good outcome now.

304949 Thomas_E, replying to Thomas_E, 21, #1120 of 1806 🔗

I work around London Bridge now after months I go into 3 of the coffee shops I regularly vist and get my order without even opening my mouth. When I asked them how they know ,, story in all 3. Because you are the only customer that never wears a mask and always smiles and says good morning. There is hope but it is slowly dying. I feel bad for the people working there, mostly young , immigrant people hanging to their jobs by a tread.

Mask take away your humanity and are all about control. Therefore I will NEVER wear one and it’s why i probably wont see my parents for a loooooong time. They live aboard in where you HAVE to wear mask everywhere, even outside so I guess that is a no from me.

305069 ▶▶ Ben, replying to Thomas_E, 5, #1121 of 1806 🔗

Thank you Thomas, for what you do. All of humanity benefits, but the stupid ones can’t see it

304952 MDH, 22, #1122 of 1806 🔗

Just received my regular dystopian update from Transport for London “Our enforcement staff and police partners are actively enforcing the national requirement for everyone to wear a face covering over their nose and mouth while in a station or on public transport, unless you are exempt .”

It’s amazing how the language of the police state drips so easily from these people, isn’t it?

Another country, not my own.

304954 mattghg, replying to mattghg, 7, #1123 of 1806 🔗

Survey on the government’s response to COVID and attitudes to vaccines from the LSHTM:


I’ve no idea how they’ll use the responses (really) but I felt like taking the opportunity to let them know what I really think.

305007 ▶▶ Laura Suckling, replying to mattghg, 3, #1124 of 1806 🔗

I enjoyed that 10mins. Obviously, I made the most of it (some answers may have been a tad facetious).

305038 ▶▶ TheBluePill, replying to mattghg, 3, #1125 of 1806 🔗

Thanks, I really enjoyed that

305105 ▶▶ Quernus, replying to mattghg, 1, #1126 of 1806 🔗

Thank you! I enjoyed that too!

305123 ▶▶▶ mjr, replying to Quernus, #1127 of 1806 🔗

and me

305550 ▶▶ wayno, replying to mattghg, #1128 of 1806 🔗

He he. That was cathartic

304955 arfurmo, replying to arfurmo, 14, #1129 of 1806 🔗

Blood pressure/brick through screen warning https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/dec/16/who-urges-europeans-to-wear-masks-when-meeting-up-for-christmas
“It may feel awkward to wear masks and practise physical distancing when around friends and family, but doing so contributes significantly to ensuring that everyone remains safe and healthy.” Awkward? Bloody stupid

305012 ▶▶ Hieronimusb, replying to arfurmo, 4, #1130 of 1806 🔗

Can’t bear to look.

305158 ▶▶ A. Contrarian, replying to arfurmo, 2, #1131 of 1806 🔗

My god I hate the Guardian these days.

305363 ▶▶ Simon Dutton, replying to arfurmo, 1, #1132 of 1806 🔗

Excellent advice. Don’t forget to keep your mask on while eating the turkey & Christmas pud.

My family are meeting up at Christmas but we shall all be wearing diving suits, helmets on, with independent air supplies. Rather than put Granny at risk of catching the deadly lethal fatal virus, we shall not open our face-plates at any time indoors. Those with sufficiently long air-hoses will be allowed to venture into the garden, one at a time, briefly to open their face-plate and ingest a bit of turkey or stuffing before clumping back indoors to let the next person out. By ‘briefly’ we have decided that 5 seconds will be the maximum period for having one’s person exposed to the deadly lethal fatal virus. That’s risky, of course, but we like to live dangerously, as you can see.

Have a splendid Christmas, everybody, follow these sensible protocols and, above all, STAY SAFE!

304957 Mr Dee, replying to Mr Dee, 35, #1133 of 1806 🔗

Woohoo! My new nextdoor neighbour’s a full-on lockdown sceptic.

304969 ▶▶ Luckyharry69, replying to Mr Dee, 19, #1134 of 1806 🔗

Ive just been chatting to my Asda delivery guy…he is too.Thinks its bullshit and he is sick of it?…..there is light at the end of the Covid Tunnel

305001 ▶▶▶ Darryl, replying to Luckyharry69, 6, #1135 of 1806 🔗

Until those in positions of power and those that influence them have enough they aren’t going to ease off. But hopefully more of the population is slowing waking up.

304958 Basileus, 2, #1136 of 1806 🔗
304966 p02099003, replying to p02099003, 24, #1137 of 1806 🔗

The BBC’s Laura Kuenssberg asks if it would it be safer to ditch plans to relax Christmas rules.

She also asks if the government has done any modelling on what impact Christmas gatherings could have on the spread of the pandemic.

“We don’t want to ban Christmas,” Boris Johnson replies, adding: “That would be inhuman.”

He reiterates that the guidance should be regarded as “the outer limits” and people should try to minimise their own personal meetings.

On the modelling question, Chris Whitty says the modelling shows that any kind of period where people come together who would not do so otherwise leads to an increase in risk and an increase in deaths.

So the last few months haven’t been inhuman?

304977 ▶▶ Luckyharry69, replying to p02099003, 33, #1138 of 1806 🔗

I fucking ‘hate’ the BBC and Kuenssberg…..arrest me

304991 ▶▶▶ Banjones, replying to Luckyharry69, 7, #1139 of 1806 🔗

Here – have an uptick. And put some money in the swear box!

304982 ▶▶ Cecil B, replying to p02099003, 15, #1140 of 1806 🔗

Whitty is a liar ( go on sue me)

304985 ▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to p02099003, 7, #1141 of 1806 🔗

Models? Haven’t they had enough of bloody models?

305016 ▶▶ Kev, replying to p02099003, 8, #1142 of 1806 🔗

Oh of course I’d forgotten, no-one has ever died at Christmas of anything ever!

Except maybe loneliness and despair!!

305192 ▶▶ RickH, replying to p02099003, #1143 of 1806 🔗

On the modelling question, Chris Whitty says …. “

Oh yes – that ‘modelling question’ has been answered so precisely, so often, hasn’t it?

FFS – this is one of the ‘model’ Chuckle Brothers – who were telling us about 4000 deaths per day in December.

304967 Bart Simpson, replying to Bart Simpson, 12, #1144 of 1806 🔗

Stupid Hugh Pym defending his actions as “public spirited” and getting absolutely hammered for it:


305009 ▶▶ Kev, replying to Bart Simpson, 19, #1145 of 1806 🔗

There are also a load of sanctimoneous arseholes on that thread who believe their own zealotry allows them to tell others how to live their lives, and they believe there are no valid reasons not to wear a muzzle. They are the ones with a problem, not us

305109 ▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to Kev, 1, #1146 of 1806 🔗

There are. A few MPs I might add who are also getting hammered.

305017 ▶▶ Laura Suckling, replying to Bart Simpson, 9, #1147 of 1806 🔗

Whatever happened to mind your own fucking business? We are all covid marshals now according to Pym.

305110 ▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to Laura Suckling, 2, #1148 of 1806 🔗

And claiming it was “public spirited.” If he was one then he should be doing his job and asking the government hard questions and not being their mouthpiece.

305028 ▶▶ Nobody2020, replying to Bart Simpson, 4, #1149 of 1806 🔗

One could argue that engaging in conversation with strangers increases the risk of spreading a virus, mask or not.

305072 ▶▶▶ watashi, replying to Nobody2020, 1, #1150 of 1806 🔗

if a virus can even be caught? that’s a whole other discussion

305057 ▶▶ nottingham69, replying to Bart Simpson, 4, #1151 of 1806 🔗

Questioning a woman, typical of that type. I have never worn one and not a word has been said.

305064 ▶▶ Laura Suckling, replying to Bart Simpson, 13, #1152 of 1806 🔗

Just imagine, for one moment, if I approached a stranger in public and accused them of being dangerous to public health for being morbidly obese.

Now, this would be none of my business of course but they are clogging up the NHS because of possible type 2 diabetes, blood pressure, heart attack, and stroke etc, etc. Not to mention they are more at risk of having severe reaction if they do contract Covid.

I am sure that Mr Pym would be one of the people ‘twittering’ about fat shaming.

I may be wrong.

305157 ▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to Laura Suckling, 6, #1153 of 1806 🔗

Or I wondered if he’s ever approached a woman in a wheelchair and asked why is she in one.

He’s a bully and a coward. I seriously doubt he’ll approach a man especially one built like Arnold Schwarzenegger or someone whose skin tone is several shades darker than his.

305148 ▶▶ kf99, replying to Bart Simpson, 3, #1154 of 1806 🔗

Sadly “Hughly Dym” is only getting hammered on the disability angle not the “why don’t you do your job and look into whether they actually work?”

305152 ▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to kf99, 1, #1155 of 1806 🔗

A few did mention that but yeah its mostly been about disability.

304978 FenTyger, 1, #1156 of 1806 🔗

Keep it small, keep it short, keep it local…………………

304984 Luckyharry69, replying to Luckyharry69, 8, #1157 of 1806 🔗

I notice the TalkRadio interview on You Tube with Hartley-Brewer and 77th Brigade Ellwood has been blocked for ‘violating the YT terms and conditions’?

anybody know why?……..

304992 ▶▶ Cecil B, replying to Luckyharry69, 10, #1158 of 1806 🔗

It contains the truth?

304994 ▶▶ leggy, replying to Luckyharry69, 10, #1159 of 1806 🔗

Sinister. Probably because she called out all of his mis-truths? It’s still available as part of the whole show, 25 minutes in:


305035 ▶▶▶ Luckyharry69, replying to leggy, 3, #1160 of 1806 🔗

thanks Leggy I will watch at my leisure.

305044 ▶▶▶ Dan Clarke, replying to leggy, 6, #1161 of 1806 🔗

Thanks, enjoyable to hear Ellwood slapped down and discredited, although they are so arrogant he won’t see it that way

305014 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to Luckyharry69, 5, #1162 of 1806 🔗

Has to be her statement that its no worse than the flu, if it is indeed removed for something said.

They don’t like that at all.

304996 JHuntz, replying to JHuntz, 21, #1163 of 1806 🔗

Bit worried about that coca cola turning up positive. I’ve started going to KFC for lunch now as they only sell pepsi. #staysafedrinkpepsi

305328 ▶▶ Simon Dutton, replying to JHuntz, 2, #1164 of 1806 🔗

Yes but have they tested the fried chicken?

305333 ▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to Simon Dutton, 1, #1165 of 1806 🔗

Better have a Nando’s then.

304999 Tommo, replying to Tommo, 52, #1166 of 1806 🔗

This is the worst pandemic for 100 years, yet the NHS has had it’s quietest ever year. Over 1 million people are DEAD, yet hardly anyone knows someone who has unexpectedly died of the virus. The virus does not discriminate – we are ALL at risk, yet the death rate for under 70s is completely normal. Masks are the best protection, yet everywhere with strict mask mandates keeps getting more ‘cases’. Lockdowns work, yet the virus keeps comes back.

Will people ever see the disconnect between the shite we are fed by our media, scientists, politicians and the reality of their very own eyes?

305006 ▶▶ Crystal Decanter, replying to Tommo, 12, #1167 of 1806 🔗

We have to face the distinct possibility that the vast majority of the population are ENJOYING the “calamity”

305022 ▶▶▶ James Marker, replying to Crystal Decanter, 6, #1168 of 1806 🔗

People will change their mind next year when the full cost of the lockdown hits home

305019 ▶▶ Be Unshakeable, replying to Tommo, 13, #1169 of 1806 🔗

It’s a fascinating demonstration of the susceptibility of the public to propaganda. It certainly shines a new light of understanding on history.

305021 ▶▶▶ kenadams, replying to Be Unshakeable, 16, #1170 of 1806 🔗

I agree. We are now living through Germany 1930’s.

305020 ▶▶ Hieronimusb, replying to Tommo, 2, #1171 of 1806 🔗

‘Unexpectedly’ such an immensely important word in this context.

305067 ▶▶ watashi, replying to Tommo, 4, #1172 of 1806 🔗

It’s hard to believe they can’t see it when it’s so blatantly obvious to us. But it seems they cannot, they have been brainwashed and blinded by the media hysteria

305119 ▶▶ Old Bill, replying to Tommo, 7, #1173 of 1806 🔗

Like you say, I know nobody who has died because of the virus, but I do know someone who had died directly because of the government’s malfeasance in handling it.
I find myself wanting revenge. Is that wrong? I have never felt such enmity in my life before.

305153 ▶▶ Richym99, replying to Tommo, 3, #1174 of 1806 🔗

Agreed, the hospitals are so overrun that in Morriston Hospital, Swansea last week (allegedly in one of the Welsh hotspots). I managed to see a consulatant (scheduled consultation), who arranged an ad hoc chest X-ray because he discovered I was overdue for one, which led to a CT scan because they couldn’t get a decent X-ray.

I walked out of the hospital having had all of that done one hour and fifteen minutes after I walked in.

And all without wearing a face mask.

Try doing that on a “normal” day when everything is quiet.

305193 ▶▶▶ Old Bill, replying to Richym99, 3, #1175 of 1806 🔗

One hour and fifteen minutes!!
In any hospital I have been in it takes that long to get a seat in the waiting room.

305213 ▶▶ RickH, replying to Tommo, 2, #1176 of 1806 🔗

“Will people ever see the disconnect … ?”

Probably not. Sadly. That’s the power of propaganda.

305216 ▶▶ Ben, replying to Tommo, 4, #1177 of 1806 🔗

So deadly we have to be tested to see if we have it or not, and if we do, the treatment is staying at home for two weeks

I still don’t know anyone who’s had it. I had flu in 2018, which was pretty bad. But I was still free

305002 George Mc, replying to George Mc, 12, #1178 of 1806 🔗

Stop me if you’ve heard this one before:


As of 19 March 2020, COVID-19 is no longer considered to be a high consequence infectious disease (HCID) in the UK.

On the 23rd March i.e. 4 days later, Michael Hancock addresses parliament:

Coronavirus is the most serious public health emergency that has faced the world in a century. We are all targets, but the disease reserves its full cruelty for the weakest and the most vulnerable. To defeat it, we are proposing extraordinary measures of a kind never seen before in peacetime. Our goal is to protect life and to protect every part of the NHS. This Bill, jointly agreed with all four UK Governments, gives us the power to fight the virus with everything that we have.

Note the hyperbole of the latter (even making allowances for the blatant lie). And here is the establishment that, according to the majestic Left revolutionaries, is desperate to play down covid!

And by Christ is there hyperbole!

most serious public health emergency that has faced the world in a century.

Well I’m not too “up” on the serious public health emergencies of the last century. I seem to recall one that drove cows mad or something. So I’ll need to use Wiki.


Ooh this is impressive. Working within the last century, there’s some big ones: the Russia typhus epidemic of 1918- 22 serves up 2.5. million. It’s beaten by the Asian flu of the 50s: 1-4 million. A bit vague there but never mind. The rest seem a bit feeble though. 5 here, 35 there, maybe a few thousand.

But what’s this? “1.6 million+ (as of December 2020)” Good God! It’s a veritable holocaust. It’s …covid! Gosh – you’d almost think this whole article was designed to lead up to that devastating denouement. Well we can be sure those inerrant PCR tests are really pulling their weight!

Now back to our Saint Michael:

the disease reserves its full cruelty for the weakest and the most vulnerable.

Sound the knell for compulsive compassion!

we are proposing extraordinary measures of a kind never seen before in peacetime

Yes indeed – nothing like revealing what you’re really up to.

This Bill …. gives us the power to fight the virus with everything that we have.

Everything! So if someone complains, “Where’s my operation? Where’s my medicine? Where’s my job? Where’s my community aid?” etc. just tell them, “Shut up! Don’t you know there’s a plague on!”

305520 ▶▶ Jez Hewitt, replying to George Mc, #1179 of 1806 🔗

Oh go easy on him, he’s not trusted to actually write the script.

305015 James Marker, replying to James Marker, 7, #1180 of 1806 🔗

Apologies if someone has already mention this today. Professor Calum Semple of Liverpool University is reported to have said that the Pfizer and Moderna vaccines could be altered to tackle the new mutation. That sounds like he suspects the vaccines currently being rolled out might not be effective against the new strain. So, where does that leave the vaccine strategy? Is the government going to insist on people undergoing another two injections every time a significant mutation occurs? That’s hardly a practical strategy.

305058 ▶▶ watashi, replying to James Marker, 8, #1181 of 1806 🔗

nothing is practical or rational about this whole insanity.

305102 ▶▶ Paulus, replying to James Marker, 3, #1182 of 1806 🔗

12700 variants, the vaccine programme may take a while!

305236 ▶▶▶ RickH, replying to Paulus, 1, #1183 of 1806 🔗

Exactly! What a con job!

305154 ▶▶ A. Contrarian, replying to James Marker, 1, #1184 of 1806 🔗

So the last triumphant week of vaccinating over 100,000 people has all been a waste of time?

305025 Laura Suckling, 3, #1185 of 1806 🔗

Good interview on Spiked with JHB :

305026 Kev, replying to Kev, 37, #1186 of 1806 🔗

Is it just me or is Whitty the most mirthless, robotic twat to ever grace our screens?

And Sadiq Khan is the most useless, irrelevant and pointless person to ever serve in public office?

305030 ▶▶ kh1485, replying to Kev, 14, #1187 of 1806 🔗

No, not just you. These are completely understandable and rational conclusions to come to about both of them!

305043 ▶▶ Hieronimusb, replying to Kev, 5, #1188 of 1806 🔗

Walter Whitty and Sadoik Khan are up there and it’s a very long list! Whitty once said “I’d rather have a prefontal lobotomy than a free bottle in front of me’, he’s really that funny, so they did it and it shows.

305084 ▶▶ Cranmer, replying to Kev, 5, #1189 of 1806 🔗

The office of London Mayor was created to give a job to Ken Livingstone. That is all you need to know.

305243 ▶▶▶ RickH, replying to Cranmer, -1, #1190 of 1806 🔗

Your partisan slip is showing. Get a grip on the history before you get taken over by yet another Covid-like myth.

(Hint – the Labour Party hierarchy hated Livingstone)

305676 ▶▶▶▶ Jonathan Palmer, replying to RickH, #1191 of 1806 🔗

The office of London Mayor was created to give labour permanent control of London like devolution in Scotland and Wales.Livingstone left the Labour Party to run for Mayor.Like everything New Labour touched it’s been a disaster.

305254 ▶▶ RickH, replying to Kev, #1192 of 1806 🔗

There’s tough competition on both counts, starting with Thatcher & cabinet and continuing through Major Major, Blair, Brown Cameroon and Maybe to the current dangerous buffoon.

305029 BeBopRockSteady, 5, #1193 of 1806 🔗

Top retractions in 2020. Plenty of Covid papers in there

The top retractions of 2020: Mostly, but not all, COVID-19 – Retraction Watch

The most spectacular flameouts involved a pair of articles that appeared in two of the world’s most prestigious medical journals. Both The Lancet and The New England Journal of Medicine were forced to remove articles that relied on data from a questionable firm called Surgisphere , which refused to share its results with coauthors and the editors involved. ( The Lancet also retracted and replaced an editorial it had published that had cited the ill-fated paper.) Before it was discredited, the paper in The Lancet had tremendous influence , leading to the suspension of clinical trials on hydroxychloroquine. A third, influential Surgisphere study was taken down from the SSRN server at the request of a coauthor. The withdrawal of the preprint , which was about potential benefits of the antiparasitic drug ivermection, received little fanfare, let alone a retraction notice.

The same week as the Lancet and NEJM Surgisphere retractions, the Annals of Internal Medicine backtracked on a highly-cited paper it published in April that purported to find that masks were ineffective at preventing the spread of SARS-CoV-2. The article, which became a media—and social media—star, was woefully light on data, based in fact on just four subjects.

305034 George Mc, replying to George Mc, 18, #1194 of 1806 🔗

I haven’t heard the news today. Any exciting new variants? Have we broke the 20 million death mark in the UK yet? Have we now got a video of dancing vaccinated geriatrics? Has the Left had a nervous breakdown and screamed, “Oh my God! What have we done?”

305042 ▶▶ Luckyharry69, replying to George Mc, 15, #1195 of 1806 🔗

I have been stepping over dead bodies all day…its terrible ‘down our way’…there is a ‘plague’ dont you know?

305076 ▶▶▶ Cranmer, replying to Luckyharry69, 13, #1196 of 1806 🔗

It’s so bad round our way that the Amazon delivery drivers give out parcels and then shout ‘bring out your dead’ to load up for the return trip.

305048 ▶▶ PatrickF, replying to George Mc, 4, #1197 of 1806 🔗

Drakeford has fucked Wales and therefore all of us who, for the time being are working to pay taxes to support his fascist regime.

305056 ▶▶▶ Crystal Decanter, replying to PatrickF, 3, #1198 of 1806 🔗

He can rely on English money to bail him out.
Boris should have used the Corona con to at least shut down the de-evolved appendages

305331 ▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to George Mc, 1, #1199 of 1806 🔗

Saw loads of hearses drive past.

The horror!!! The horror!!!

305039 PatrickF, replying to PatrickF, 8, #1200 of 1806 🔗

I went into my local bookmakers and asked for their modelling on the Australia vs India Test series due to start in a few hours. They could only offer me ‘odds.’

305049 ▶▶ Hieronimusb, replying to PatrickF, 2, #1201 of 1806 🔗

They’re batting for the other side.

305046 Kev, replying to Kev, 31, #1202 of 1806 🔗

There’s a stark analogy from Prof Whitty, as he compares three households meeting up for five days to driving at 70mph on an icy treacherous road.

Based on what exactly?

Peter Hitchens came up with a much better anaology for the Governments response to this virus, like trying to put leaves back on tree’s to stop Autumn.

305061 ▶▶ PoshPanic, replying to Kev, 1, #1203 of 1806 🔗

Ice racing is great fun!

305075 ▶▶ mjr, replying to Kev, 5, #1204 of 1806 🔗

can i suggest Whitty does an experiment and try both . He needs to do the meeting three families for five days first as that will have no effect then come January if we have a bit of cold he can go for a drive .

305141 ▶▶▶ Tom Blackburn, replying to mjr, 3, #1205 of 1806 🔗

I’ve been mixing with tens of households for 9 months (actually forever).

Maybe I am a good driver.

305135 ▶▶ Tom Blackburn, replying to Kev, 2, #1206 of 1806 🔗

Agree. Mr Hitchens nailed it with that one.

305149 ▶▶ A. Contrarian, replying to Kev, #1207 of 1806 🔗

I know which I’d rather do!

305151 ▶▶ JHuntz, replying to Kev, 8, #1208 of 1806 🔗

Whitty’s been caught playing with children. That’s my theory it always points in that direction. He fair looks like the type.

305181 ▶▶▶ John Smith, replying to JHuntz, 1, #1209 of 1806 🔗

That’s way it goes I’m afraid. Too many refuse to see.

305273 ▶▶ Fingerache Philip., replying to Kev, #1210 of 1806 🔗

How would he know ?, his chauffeur does his driving for him.

305050 Draper233, replying to Draper233, 9, #1211 of 1806 🔗

It is the season of goodwill they say.

So i’m considering reducing Johnson’s deserved long prison sentence by 6 months for holding his nerve in relation to Xmas.

Or is that too much goodwill….?

305053 ▶▶ watashi, replying to Draper233, 2, #1212 of 1806 🔗

too much. he should stay there until he passes. socially isolated and masked.

305055 ▶▶ Hieronimusb, replying to Draper233, #1213 of 1806 🔗

It’s ‘goodwill to all men (not gender specific))’ so give him another 10 years!

305063 ▶▶ anon, replying to Draper233, 3, #1214 of 1806 🔗


they are only allowing you xmas because it maintains their illusion of control. if they’d have banned xmas it would largely have been ignored

maybe the fools supporting hugh pym would have gone along with it. maybe not

305096 ▶▶▶ Darryl, replying to anon, 5, #1215 of 1806 🔗

Yes absolutely, the illusion of control would have fallen apart if millions were carrying on as normal without state permission.

When the slaves return to being controlled after a few days off for good behaviour the state becomes more powerful as it confirms people believe and submit voluntarily despite logic.

305065 ▶▶ Crystal Decanter, replying to Draper233, 4, #1216 of 1806 🔗

Cover him in estrogen and throw him into a vat full of trannys

305071 ▶▶▶ anon, replying to Crystal Decanter, 1, #1217 of 1806 🔗

tranny grannies

305132 ▶▶▶ Tom Blackburn, replying to Crystal Decanter, 1, #1218 of 1806 🔗

I misread that. Thought being thrown into a vat full of fannies would be his (and my) dream come true

305066 ▶▶ Julian, replying to Draper233, 6, #1219 of 1806 🔗

Never forgive, never forget

Jesus Christ can forgive him, should He wish

305094 ▶▶▶ Luckyharry69, replying to Julian, #1220 of 1806 🔗


305091 ▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to Draper233, 5, #1221 of 1806 🔗

The Christmas reprieve is for them not for us given they have second homes and such.

They don’t care about people and for that they deserve to be hung, drawn and quartered.

305155 ▶▶ RickH, replying to Draper233, #1222 of 1806 🔗

Given that he didn’t have a politically viable option – I think 3s is probably enough.

305165 ▶▶▶ Hieronimusb, replying to RickH, 1, #1223 of 1806 🔗

Sweden would have been viable but would have taken considerable strength of character and a determination to promote what the medical profession have known for a hundred years over junk science.

305208 ▶▶ dommo, replying to Draper233, 1, #1224 of 1806 🔗

yes it most certainly is. give him one hour in a locked room with Biker…

305054 Zak Thelotofem, replying to Zak Thelotofem, 12, #1225 of 1806 🔗

Ivermectin as Pre-exposure Prophylaxis for COVID-19 among Healthcare Providers in a Selected Tertiary Hospital in Dhaka – An Observational Study

Result: 73.3% (44 out of 60) subjects in control group were positive for COVID-19, whereas only 6.9% (4 out of 58) of the experimental group were diagnosed with COVID-19 (p-value < 0.05).

Conclusion: Ivermectin, an FDA-approved, safe, cheap and widely available drug, should be subjected to large-scale trials all over the world to ascertain its effectiveness as pre-exposure prophylaxis for COVID-19.


305062 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to Zak Thelotofem, 3, #1226 of 1806 🔗

Campbell (loves a mask) does a decent summary
Ivermectin and COVID 19 – YouTube

305206 ▶▶ dommo, replying to Zak Thelotofem, 1, #1227 of 1806 🔗

if it’s good enough for caged birds and small mammals…

305247 ▶▶ Banjones, replying to Zak Thelotofem, 2, #1228 of 1806 🔗

This was spoken about a couple of months ago on Sky News Australia.
But the big pharmas don’t like ”cheap”.

305060 Dan Clarke, replying to Dan Clarke, 3, #1229 of 1806 🔗

Johnson off again with the deliberate confusion about christmas

305068 ▶▶ Luckyharry69, replying to Dan Clarke, 4, #1230 of 1806 🔗

Johnson was a journalist.He should have stuck with it.Tosser

305088 ▶▶▶ RickH, replying to Luckyharry69, 4, #1231 of 1806 🔗

You mean Johnson was a … “journalist”.

i.e He fits in well with the associated network of anybody’s tarts who ply their trade under that label

… but are a universe removed from real investigative journalism such as that which revealed the problems with Thalidomide for the old Sunday Times.

P.S. Apologies to honest ‘tarts’ who give a genuine service – but you know what I mean.

305112 ▶▶▶▶ Luckyharry69, replying to RickH, 1, #1232 of 1806 🔗

apologies i meant ‘journalist’ in inverted commas…….

305150 ▶▶▶▶▶ RickH, replying to Luckyharry69, 1, #1233 of 1806 🔗

.. I know. It’s a vanished species if the quotation marks are left out. A bit like the Dodo. 🙂

305114 ▶▶▶▶ PoshPanic, replying to RickH, 1, #1234 of 1806 🔗


305238 ▶▶▶ Will, replying to Luckyharry69, #1235 of 1806 🔗

He was a pontificator. He was not a journalist.

305308 ▶▶▶ PompeyJunglist, replying to Luckyharry69, #1236 of 1806 🔗

Johnson was a journalist in the same way as I am an athlete if I run for the bus.

305095 ▶▶ Morse, replying to Dan Clarke, #1237 of 1806 🔗

Obfuscation and lies are the cornerstone of this whole scam.

305097 ▶▶ OKUK, replying to Dan Clarke, 1, #1238 of 1806 🔗

I enjoyed the slip where the historian got the better of the politician in Johnson and he started comparing himself to Cromwell who famously tried to abolish Christmas as a Papish abomination,

305107 ▶▶▶ RickH, replying to OKUK, 3, #1239 of 1806 🔗

Don’t insult Cromwell – a lot of the myths are wrong. With Johnson, they’re an underestimate.

305077 Kev, replying to Kev, 29, #1240 of 1806 🔗

Whitty says says social distancing will need to stay in place when the vulnerable have been vaccinated, as those outside of this group will still be at risk.

They have no intention of stopping this, possibly ever!

It will only stop when enough people decide it stops, and to hell with the zealots and the useful idiots.

305082 ▶▶ PoshPanic, replying to Kev, 10, #1241 of 1806 🔗

If you aren’t vulnerable, how can you be at risk?

305089 ▶▶▶ Luckyharry69, replying to PoshPanic, 4, #1242 of 1806 🔗

you are a ‘diseased super spreader’?…didnt you realise?

305108 ▶▶▶▶ PoshPanic, replying to Luckyharry69, 4, #1243 of 1806 🔗

Well most MPs know a few diseased super spreaders..or so I’m told

305317 ▶▶▶ Simon Dutton, replying to PoshPanic, #1244 of 1806 🔗

Honestly, how dim can you be? If you’re not vulnerable, plainly you are vulnerable and by definition at risk.

In other news, the Science* is in: 2+2 really does = 5.

*Based on a worldwide consensus of Scientists (note the capital letter).

305487 ▶▶▶ DomW, replying to PoshPanic, #1245 of 1806 🔗

I was thinking exactly the same. He’s fallen into a logic trap of his own making.

305083 ▶▶ Tom Blackburn, replying to Kev, 1, #1246 of 1806 🔗

I’m hoping Christmas plays a part in speeding this process along. Really, these local Tiers were a masterstroke by Pfeffel (politically). It is always another area’s fault when you are bouncing between Tier 2 and 3

305092 ▶▶ Luckyharry69, replying to Kev, 15, #1247 of 1806 🔗

I could have told you that in March…in fact this has been ongoing for decades…ALL PLANNED

305106 ▶▶▶ Kev, replying to Luckyharry69, 5, #1248 of 1806 🔗

Of course, but a lot don’t see it, even now.

305100 ▶▶ RickH, replying to Kev, 4, #1249 of 1806 🔗

Anybody who listens to Whitty or Vallance needs their bumps felt. They are notable only for their consistency in making barmy pronouncements.

305124 ▶▶▶ Tom Blackburn, replying to RickH, #1250 of 1806 🔗

Well over half still do

305267 ▶▶▶ Banjones, replying to RickH, #1251 of 1806 🔗

AND they’re unelected.

305204 ▶▶ Ben, replying to Kev, 5, #1252 of 1806 🔗

Is Chris Whitty actually evil?

“Covid-19 is harmless to the vast majority of people” – Chris Whitty, Downing Street briefing 11th May, 2020

305234 ▶▶ Will, replying to Kev, 3, #1253 of 1806 🔗

69 people under 60 without comorbidities have died within 28 days of a positive covid test since September…. and fifty fucking eight of them were over 40!!!! It is considerably more dangerous getting into a car.

305469 ▶▶▶ Jez Hewitt, replying to Will, 1, #1254 of 1806 🔗

Let alone actually driving it.

305080 stefarm, replying to stefarm, 2, #1255 of 1806 🔗

I’m reading The Wandering Who by Gilad Atzmon at the moment (I know, no pop ups or colouring in, even though I can now colour in-between the lines).

His theory of pre traumatic stress disorder is what the majority of sheople are suffering from.

“within the condition of the Pre-Traumatic Stress Disorder, the stress is the outcome of a phantasmic event, an imaginary episode set in the future; an event that has never taken place. Unlike the PTSD (Post Traumatic Stress Disorder) in which stress comes as the direct reaction to an event that (may) have taken place in the past, within the state of Pre-TSD, the stress is the clearly the outcome of an imaginary potential event.”

305111 ▶▶ anon, replying to stefarm, 1, #1256 of 1806 🔗

yes. but lockdowns aren’t imaginary.

i guess it’s the phony rona that sheep are suffering ptsd from.

would the sheep consider the negative impact of lockdown?

305131 ▶▶▶ stefarm, replying to anon, 3, #1257 of 1806 🔗

Yes, the phony Rona is the imaginary episode, their brains are mush so cannot see that lockdowns are the problem

305086 Old Bill, replying to Old Bill, 5, #1258 of 1806 🔗

Squirming Boris Johnson repeats promise to lie in front of Heathrow bulldozers

Please, PLEASE, PLEASE let me drive the first ‘dozer.

305103 ▶▶ PoshPanic, replying to Old Bill, 2, #1259 of 1806 🔗

The Heathrow expansion legal dispute was overturned by the Supreme Court this week. Was this so Boris could act like some kind of eco warrior, riding in to save the day?

305160 ▶▶▶ James007, replying to PoshPanic, 1, #1260 of 1806 🔗

I think the only reason HS2 is going ahead is so Johnson can stop Heathrow.
Like all political leaders, he vainly wants a big infrastructure legacy.

305185 ▶▶▶▶ PoshPanic, replying to James007, #1261 of 1806 🔗

I’d be surprised if you were wrong

305122 ▶▶ James007, replying to Old Bill, 11, #1262 of 1806 🔗

Why is it we can spend a decade or two arguing about what do with London’s airports, yet shut the whole country down without so much as a debate about it?

305183 ▶▶▶ Old Bill, replying to James007, 7, #1263 of 1806 🔗

The whole thing is a joke now (which is probably why the decision has been released today). After the decimation wreaked on aviation by Boris and his chums Heathrow doesn’t even need one runway, never mind 3.

I still want to drive that dozer though.

305232 ▶▶▶▶ James007, replying to Old Bill, 3, #1264 of 1806 🔗

If we don’t need 3 runways at Heathrow we certainly don’t need HS2. It makes literally no sense.

305311 ▶▶ Simon Dutton, replying to Old Bill, #1265 of 1806 🔗

He’s lied everywhere else, so why not in front of the bulldozers?

305387 ▶▶ annie, replying to Old Bill, 1, #1266 of 1806 🔗

No, me, me.

305087 PoshPanic, replying to PoshPanic, 2, #1267 of 1806 🔗

I propose that all tv channels should play this, once every hour…
Why don’t you turn off the TV and go and do something less boring instead.


305093 ▶▶ Morse, replying to PoshPanic, 2, #1268 of 1806 🔗

ahh…. Why Don’t You, used to love that show, if only life had a rewind button.

305113 ▶▶▶ Jonathan Palmer, replying to Morse, 1, #1269 of 1806 🔗

I used to hate it but would still like that rewind button.

305189 ▶▶▶▶ PoshPanic, replying to Jonathan Palmer, #1270 of 1806 🔗

I need an instant rewind

305126 ▶▶▶ stefarm, replying to Morse, 2, #1271 of 1806 🔗

From memory, I think junior kick start used to be on after WDY. Quality stuff

305230 ▶▶▶▶ AnotherSceptic, replying to stefarm, 1, #1272 of 1806 🔗

Ahhhh….Kick Start & Junior Kick Start, I used to love that. Infact, here is a link to a Junior kick start episode. From 1984….
I don’t know if that’s a good thing or bad thing the year……but, back when life was normal & care free, even the children were allowed to take risks.


I’m going to invent a time travel machine.

305101 Kev, replying to Kev, 13, #1273 of 1806 🔗

The BBC just published an article in their porn stream pointing out clearly that lockdowns and tiers achieve absolutely nothing, without actually tacitly admitting that was the point of the article.

Wet pavements do indeed cause rain.

305118 ▶▶ Tom Blackburn, replying to Kev, 2, #1274 of 1806 🔗

Could you link please? I firmly believe in providing clicks to ANYTHING of value, even if posted by the enemy. Or maybe especially if posted by the enemy.

305144 ▶▶ A. Contrarian, replying to Kev, #1275 of 1806 🔗

I assume they mean that of course lockdowns and tiers work, if they are early enough and strict enough and if the sheeples obey without fail…

305218 ▶▶▶ Will, replying to A. Contrarian, 1, #1276 of 1806 🔗

Like Germany and the Czech Republic….

305115 Richym99, replying to Richym99, 24, #1277 of 1806 🔗

Managed to get the top comment on one of the Mail stories today


In twenty years time, your children will study modern era history. They will get to study this year, the year that the majority of the civilised world handed their liberty and rights away.

They will come to you and ask, “how could you have been so stupid and gullible?”

I hope you have a better answer than “We were told we were all going to die and we believed it.”

Of course, readers on here will have a better answer undoubtedly.

Anyone who didn’t read the article which LS liked to yesterday

I found it enlightening reading as a layman in the field.

305137 ▶▶ OKUK, replying to Richym99, 4, #1278 of 1806 🔗


305145 ▶▶ Darryl, replying to Richym99, 6, #1279 of 1806 🔗

Great comment, the trouble is they are rewriting history and deleting facts to fit their narrative. If we lose children will be taught a completely different version of history praising the wisdom of our great leaders.

305217 ▶▶▶ calchas, replying to Darryl, 2, #1280 of 1806 🔗

If there are any children-

305156 ▶▶ Voz 0db, replying to Richym99, 16, #1281 of 1806 🔗

I’ve a good one to depict that…
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305159 ▶▶▶ Richym99, replying to Voz 0db, 11, #1282 of 1806 🔗

The hills are alive, to the sound of wheezing.

305163 ▶▶ Voz 0db, replying to Richym99, 7, #1283 of 1806 🔗

99% of the modern slaves that “vote” just want to receive ORDERS on how to “live” their slave lives. That’s why they vote in the 1st place.

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And for those it DOES NOT MATTER what is the sub-system running their lives. As long as they have access to the stuff they consider is enough they do not care about anything else.

305239 ▶▶▶ Julian, replying to Voz 0db, #1284 of 1806 🔗

I think you’ll find at least some people vote because they’ve decided that having governments to do useful things for a society (society being something that people have decided makes life more agreeable) like provide schools and roads is better than the alternatives, and they think/hope that the side they vote for will do a better job. Politicians are imperfect, so are societies. Sometimes some politicians are better than others, sometimes they are all as bad as each other.

305256 ▶▶▶▶ Tom Blackburn, replying to Julian, 2, #1285 of 1806 🔗

Sounds like moron slave talk to me 😉

305272 ▶▶▶▶ Voz 0db, replying to Julian, 1, #1286 of 1806 🔗

It’s working wonderfully!

305294 ▶▶▶▶▶ Julian, replying to Voz 0db, 1, #1287 of 1806 🔗

It’s working imperfectly, like everything else in creation. Or perfectly, depending on your point of view.

Some aspects of life are wonderful, some less so.

Speaking personally, up until this year I think this time and place is the best time to be alive, but what do I know?

There’s always room for improvement, and certainly this current crisis has exposed a lot of very bad things, but governments and societies of every stripe, democratic and not, have committed folly so I tend to think it’s human nature that’s at fault here rather than institutions.

305593 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Voz 0db, replying to Julian, #1288 of 1806 🔗

We are all degenerate uman animals, so nothing balanced can be generated by us…

305320 ▶▶▶▶ Ewan Duffy, replying to Julian, 1, #1289 of 1806 🔗

Ronald Reagan: “The nine most terrifying words in the English language are ‘I’m from the Government and I’m here to help'”

305351 ▶▶ mjr, replying to Richym99, #1290 of 1806 🔗

its a pol pot style year zero

305116 Londo Mollari, replying to Londo Mollari, 9, #1291 of 1806 🔗

Mark Drakeford is to make it illegal for more than two households to mix over Christmas. Sometimes, three letter acronyms are not enough.

305384 ▶▶ annie, replying to Londo Mollari, 1, #1292 of 1806 🔗

Sod him.
Elaborate ad lib.

305117 OKUK, replying to OKUK, 9, #1293 of 1806 🔗

En passage Whitty blithely mentions in an average year (I stress average) flu carries off some 27,000 souls. This can be interpreted in s number of ways, nine of them goog:

1, The man’s an idiot and doesn’t realise how this condemns the whole policy of national self harm developed in response to Covid, since we’ve never before batted an eyelid as a nation when 40,000, mostly old or sick people, die of the flu on a bad year.

2. He mentioned it deliberately, because it means we can never be free of the obligation to “Save Lives, Save the NHS” if endemic Covid produces similar fatalities and lockdownism in future will be applied to flu as well as Covid.

305128 ▶▶ Voz 0db, replying to OKUK, 6, #1294 of 1806 🔗

But… but… “COVID is not the FLU”!

Well, it isn’t until the day they want it to be… Just waiting to see the TV PROPAGANDA linking the two.

305138 ▶▶ A. Contrarian, replying to OKUK, 12, #1295 of 1806 🔗

Out of all of them, for me Whitty is the hardest to understand. Johnson just does whatever the nearest person tells him to do, or whatever he thinks will make him popular. Hancock is a psychopath believing he is leading us to glory in our viral battle and fixated on keeping us locked down whatever the cost. And Sunak, of course, has more or less given up.

But Whitty often says sensible things, contextual things, realistic things – but then predicts disaster and recommends outlandishly draconian policies. What is his game?

305147 ▶▶▶ Jonathan Palmer, replying to A. Contrarian, 7, #1296 of 1806 🔗

He is a puppet,but occasionally his scientific training reappears.

305176 ▶▶▶▶ PoshPanic, replying to Jonathan Palmer, 3, #1297 of 1806 🔗

He certainly looks like one

305265 ▶▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to A. Contrarian, 1, #1298 of 1806 🔗

It won’t save him

305318 ▶▶▶▶ Ovis, replying to Nick Rose, 1, #1299 of 1806 🔗

Months ago I was commenting that Whitty was in danger of becoming the David Kelly of Covid. He was saying things that blew the narrative apart. I suppose no one wants to be David Kelly.

305382 ▶▶▶▶▶ annie, replying to Ovis, 1, #1300 of 1806 🔗

If Whitless came to the same sort if end as Kelly, I one would not lament

305196 ▶▶ CGL, replying to OKUK, 7, #1301 of 1806 🔗

I wish I was self-employed and could decide not to pay my tax or NI. I really have no idea what we are paying the NHS for any more and we clearly can’t trust our doctors if they are prepared to go along with all of this, and inject us with any poison that comes their way.

305282 ▶▶ Draper233, replying to OKUK, 2, #1302 of 1806 🔗

But I really do hope the fanatics start arguing for measures against the flu as well, because when the general public realise that this means they are, in effect, indefinite, we may finally see the public health Nazis put in their place.

305136 ▶▶ JHuntz, replying to Ben, 5, #1304 of 1806 🔗

Haha these puppets follow their orders and then get thrown under the bus.

305443 ▶▶ awildgoose, replying to Ben, 2, #1305 of 1806 🔗

The very definition of, “useful idiot.”

Clearly the CCP are tying off a loose end to absolve themselves of any responsibility.

305142 ▶▶ Voz 0db, replying to Awkward Git, 15, #1309 of 1806 🔗

Nah! MUZZLES SAVES LIVES… it doesn’t kill them!

Another FUN one:

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305172 ▶▶▶ Hieronimusb, replying to Voz 0db, 15, #1310 of 1806 🔗

And the coronavirus is approx 10 times smaller than streptococcal bacteria.

305220 ▶▶▶▶ JHuntz, replying to Hieronimusb, 2, #1311 of 1806 🔗

Theres the kicker

305264 ▶▶▶▶ Voz 0db, replying to Hieronimusb, 5, #1312 of 1806 🔗

That’s what happens when a moron inhales its own exhaust gases!

305241 ▶▶▶ calchas, replying to Voz 0db, 4, #1313 of 1806 🔗

‘Shepherd’ schools.

How very appropriate.

305146 ▶▶ Voz 0db, replying to Awkward Git, 7, #1314 of 1806 🔗

Unfortunately the herd of modern moron slaves DO NOT WEAR THE MASK PROPERLY… If they did, most would already be either in very bad health or dead!

305170 ▶▶ PoshPanic, replying to Awkward Git, 3, #1315 of 1806 🔗

I’d love to see him debate Wancock lol!

305288 ▶▶ Winston Smith, replying to Awkward Git, 1, #1316 of 1806 🔗

Yeah, but if it saves one life!

305129 VickyA, replying to VickyA, 19, #1317 of 1806 🔗

Cold King Wancock last looked out
On the feast of Stephen
When the masks laid round about
Ruined business beaten

Virtue signalled celebs at night,
Took us all for foo..ols
When the public gain insight
Yes, they were all too..ols

Bojo passes lies by me.
BBC is selling:
yonder peasant, who is he?
He cannot own his dwelling?

Yes he had a good job hence,
Savings was a counting,
Now against the debtors fence
by a furlough mountain.

With apologies to original composer….

305139 ▶▶ Luckyharry69, replying to VickyA, 1, #1318 of 1806 🔗

its a ‘no’ from me…sorry……

305130 Voz 0db, 1, #1319 of 1806 🔗

MOST ANNOYING thing on this site…


Every time I come here I’ve to delete this html node!

305134 RickH, 9, #1320 of 1806 🔗

Note the import of the recent paper from Claire Craig et al. :

The ‘case’ figures touted by what is laughingly called a government represent >10x actual infections, of which many (of the 10%) will be of low consequence.

What a massive con!

305140 Awkward Git, replying to Awkward Git, 15, #1321 of 1806 🔗

Vargas 99 and Biggles:

This document on the government’s website agrees with the FOI:


Some quotes:

Cycle threshold (Ct) is a semi-quantitative value that can broadly categorise the concentration of viral genetic material in a patient sample following testing by RT PCR as low, medium or high – that is, it tells us approximately how much viral genetic material is in the sample.

A single Ct value in the absence of clinical context cannot be relied upon for decision making about a person’s infectivity.

The clinical significance of positive results with high Ct are difficult to interpret in the absence of clinical history and context.

And the absolute best and damning quote:

RT-PCR detects presence of viral genetic material in a sample but is not able to distinguish whether infectious virus is present.

305161 ▶▶ captainbeefheart, replying to Awkward Git, 6, #1322 of 1806 🔗

I love the way they actually put that in bold in the document.

They probably should have made the text a bit bigger and underlined it three times…

305162 ▶▶ Stringfellow Hawke, replying to Awkward Git, 10, #1323 of 1806 🔗

Interesting little snippet too from the American Medical Association:
“Real-time PCR is not a viral culture and does not allow determination of whether the virus is viable and transmissible…”
probably just another dangerous conspiracy theory eh? 🙂

305174 ▶▶ vargas99, replying to Awkward Git, 3, #1324 of 1806 🔗

Thanks AG – keep up the great work

305221 ▶▶▶ Awkward Git, replying to vargas99, 3, #1325 of 1806 🔗

Or from a RT-PCR test kit manufacturer that the Government uses and who I picked at random and contacted asking for information about what a test result means.

In the various technical documents they sent me it stated at various points:

The final diagnosis should not be based solely on the results of this product. The final diagnosis should be based on a combination of different test methods and clinical results at the discretion of the physician”

The detection of viral RNA of SARS-CoV-2 is dependent upon proper specimen collection, handling, transportation, storage, and preparation, including extraction. Failure to observe proper procedures in any one of these steps can lead to incorrect results.

Results from the device should be correlated with the clinical history, epidemiological data and other data available to the clinician evaluating the patient.

This device is a qualitative test and does not provide information on the viral load present in the specimen

This test cannot rule out diseases caused by other bacterial or viral pathogens.

Cross-reactivity with respiratory tract organisms other than those listed in the Analytical Specificity Study may lead to erroneous results.

305143 James007, replying to James007, 14, #1326 of 1806 🔗

I have a Christmas card from Johnson and Symonds, 10 Downing Street. I am trying to work out which database I am on – absolutely no information on the card.

At first I thought it was because the party conned me out of some money over a year ago, (you know, when the country was at risk of being taken over by an authoritarian Marxist, obsessed with the NHS, and planning to spend untold billions that we apparently couldn’t afford).

However I asserted my rights under GDPR to be deleted from all party databases a while ago as the same time as I asked for my money back.

305168 ▶▶ Old Bill, replying to James007, 5, #1327 of 1806 🔗

I would make sure you sanitise it. If it doesn’t contain covid, it will certainly contain covid hysteria.

305198 ▶▶ Be Unshakeable, replying to James007, 2, #1328 of 1806 🔗

How nice of you to buy yourself a Christmas card from them.

305252 ▶▶ Tom Blackburn, replying to James007, 1, #1329 of 1806 🔗

Don’t upset Princess Nut Nut 🥺

305171 Ned of the Hills, replying to Ned of the Hills, 7, #1330 of 1806 🔗

“even now there are many things we don’t properly understand. So for example we know that lots of people don’t have any symptoms at all…and we suspect that some of those people might spread that virus to others…but we don’t know how often that is and risky that is and what other factors my influence that”

The above was said on “Scientists in the Spotlight” on Radio 4. I’ve gone back to listen again and to transcribe the words as best I can. I’m sorry I can’t say who the speaker was.

The present farrago now going on is surely based on the absolute certainty that asymptomatic carriers are all highly infectious in all setting and in all conditions for weeks and weeks and weeks.

305224 ▶▶ Julian, replying to Ned of the Hills, 8, #1331 of 1806 🔗

For the biggest health threat to face the human race in 100 years, they seem to have discocered bugger all squared since the start of the year. SAGE, the WHO, all the other countries and private companies – what have they done? No curiousity, no serious attempt to understand what’s happening and use that information, very little in the way of developing treatments – just a mad rush to develop a vaccine.

305266 ▶▶▶ Draper233, replying to Julian, 5, #1332 of 1806 🔗

The mad rush for the vaccine is political. Once the flu season comes to an end around March, the politicians will need an explanation for the inevitable fall in “Covid” hospital admissions and deaths.

Enter the vaccine as the reason, although they might lockdown after Xmas again, just as a backup option.

And thus the charade continues…

305226 ▶▶ MiriamW-sometimes-AlanG, replying to Ned of the Hills, 6, #1333 of 1806 🔗

An asymptomatic spreader is for life, not just for Christmas. . . . .MW

305300 ▶▶ Leemc23, replying to Ned of the Hills, 2, #1334 of 1806 🔗

Yes. And even tonight Dorris Johnson was banging the drum on not even knowing you have it as you slaughter an entire population of a care home

305194 Leemc23, replying to Leemc23, 32, #1335 of 1806 🔗

Today’s jog through a rural Essex village involved people jumping into the road as I ran past. 9 people simply walking around in a mask. One father with two school kids (off school on scooters) all three in masks. An old lady struggling around outside the local co-op with a face rag on. One hugely obese woman walking around in a face rag for no clear purpose. But clearly not shy of a cancer / heart disease / diabetes causing lifestyle choice. Hope the mask helps.

This is rural Essex ! I left London for a quiet life and find I have moved to a dystopian nightmare. The kids on the scooter will haunt me for a long while, what is the parent thinking ?

Kids came back from school, reported that a Class of 30 had 10 kids in. The other class of 26 children had 16 in…..

This is insane. Merry Christmas.

305214 ▶▶ JHuntz, replying to Leemc23, 6, #1336 of 1806 🔗

If I didn’t laugh i’d cry.

305299 ▶▶▶ Leemc23, replying to JHuntz, 8, #1337 of 1806 🔗

What are they achieving with a mask except virtue signalling ?

305319 ▶▶▶▶ l835, replying to Leemc23, 4, #1338 of 1806 🔗

They believe the propaganda and are scared

305332 ▶▶▶▶ JHuntz, replying to Leemc23, 4, #1339 of 1806 🔗

to be fair some like my mum and dad just don’t want conflict. They don’t understand the symbolism of compliance that it represents. I am trying to get them a lanyard to see if that will make the difference.

305295 ▶▶ Lisa (formerly) from Toronto, replying to Leemc23, 5, #1340 of 1806 🔗

I get it. We left the city for the country and there are plenty of zombies here as well. Most of the people I see outside in masks are older people. Dystopia follows us everywhere these days.

305322 ▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to Leemc23, 2, #1341 of 1806 🔗

Seems to me its no different to my local area – full of zombies.

305437 ▶▶ ConstantBees, replying to Leemc23, 3, #1342 of 1806 🔗

I’ve seen three plot holders wearing masks on my allotment site in the last week. It’s my haven of sanity so I’m hoping that the weather gets cold enough to make them stay at home.

305638 ▶▶▶ sam, replying to ConstantBees, #1343 of 1806 🔗

after dark and preferably when its very very cold out or raining is the only time i can enjoy my walks now since march and not have my walk ruined by the zombies[ and leaf blowers and back up beeps ]

305798 ▶▶▶ Borisbullshit, replying to ConstantBees, #1344 of 1806 🔗

It is so hard to avoid seeing muzzled zombies and not just outside…they are in many adverts,newspapers and on lots of internet pages. Even if you watch an old programme the adverts in between them have masks!

305692 ▶▶ OKUK, replying to Leemc23, -1, #1345 of 1806 🔗

Nothing to do with Covid, but – as a matter of good manners – would you sneeze on someone or cough on them or get so close to someone you dont know, that they feel your breath on their face? Unlikely, so why do runners think it acceptable to exhale their hot, clammy breath over people as they run past? Seems anti social and bad mannered to me.

305199 Sodastream, replying to Sodastream, 10, #1346 of 1806 🔗

Found out at work that outpatients and visitors to the hospital I work at will be tested using the lateral flow test in the new year. I presume that it will be all hospitals. A new area for them to mass test in.
Hospital inpatients, the whole of Liverpool, secondary schools and now this. To get the rates up etc etc I’m too down to even say the obvious as you all know in here anyway…

305202 ▶▶ Will, replying to Sodastream, 3, #1347 of 1806 🔗

Does the LFT involve a swab up the nose because they aren’t doing that to my daughter again.

305209 ▶▶▶ Sodastream, replying to Will, 4, #1348 of 1806 🔗

Yes it is a swab up nose. I don’t know what they’ll do if people refuse. It isn’t written info yet but from a senior source.
But then we never did have information or advice on what to do if inpatients refused.

305259 ▶▶▶ RickH, replying to Will, 4, #1349 of 1806 🔗

It’s a breach of the Nuremberg protocols. Simple.

305203 ▶▶ Leemc23, replying to Sodastream, 3, #1350 of 1806 🔗

The lateral flow is coming most places early in the new year……

Shame it don’t work.

305222 ▶▶▶ Apache, replying to Leemc23, -12, #1351 of 1806 🔗

Works just fine. I feel normal and the LFT confirms twice a week that I am without Covid.

305229 ▶▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to Leemc23, 10, #1352 of 1806 🔗

That’s not the point. They’ll be using it to drive down case numbers as the season ends, claim the lockdown measures worked.

They’ll keep all the best bits though like social control, masks, economic servitude and authoritarianism.

305258 ▶▶▶ Voz 0db, replying to Leemc23, 1, #1353 of 1806 🔗
305242 ▶▶ Hieronimusb, replying to Sodastream, 11, #1354 of 1806 🔗

We will leave no stone unturned, no test unused,no c liché underused, we will hunt this deadly virus until mass psychosis is endemic. So there.

305244 ▶▶ Tom Blackburn, replying to Sodastream, 3, #1355 of 1806 🔗

Did (do) scousers engage with testing? Their figures (whatever your view on the validity) are pretty low and I always assumed this was down to them not playing ball.

305251 ▶▶ DocRC, replying to Sodastream, 6, #1356 of 1806 🔗

Actually I think this is probably a good thing. The evidence is that the lateral flow tests (LFT) have very few false positives- probably around 0.3% (cf PCR FPR of 0.8-4% in NHS labs, probably much higher in Lighthouse labs). The fact that the false negative rate is around 30% is being ignored. The LFTs were used for the mass testing in Liverpool and resulted in far fewer “cases”. This may reflect a subtle change in direction by the Government so that the vaccine roll-out can be shown to dramatically reduce the incidence of the virus.

305261 ▶▶▶ Margaret, replying to DocRC, 1, #1357 of 1806 🔗

I posted about this a few weeks ago in my local paper. We are one of the fifty areas to get the LFTs so am looking forward to the numbers of positive tests falling off a cliff in the next week or so.

305278 ▶▶▶▶ Banjones, replying to Margaret, 1, #1358 of 1806 🔗

Unless, of course, the figures were just made up anyway. How would we ever know?

305205 captainbeefheart, replying to captainbeefheart, 23, #1359 of 1806 🔗

I thought I’d use Moonpig to send my MP an Xmas card…
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305275 ▶▶ Hieronimusb, replying to captainbeefheart, 4, #1360 of 1806 🔗

I’m a celebrant get me out of here?

305391 ▶▶ Two-Six, replying to captainbeefheart, 2, #1361 of 1806 🔗

You should have just stuck with pictures Nadine can’t read.

305225 dommo, 3, #1362 of 1806 🔗
305268 ▶▶ mhcp, replying to dommo, 3, #1364 of 1806 🔗

Think I called this a while back. Lawsuits for unnecessary harm caused by vague and unverified testing. Like for example the diesel car suits against VW

305255 ▶▶ Voz 0db, replying to dommo, 12, #1366 of 1806 🔗

ALL governments in the planet ARE FOLLOWING THE ORDERS emitted by the Bill Gates & Friends private organization: World “Health” Organization.

And since the ORDER is to use PCR no matter what… that’s it.

Bill Gates and Billionaires and the SRF FOUND the perfect Tool to CONTROL the Planet: WHO!

305249 Liam, replying to Liam, 27, #1367 of 1806 🔗

I wonder if The Science will ever admit that its understanding of the transmission of common respiratory viruses is patchy at best, and at worst outright guesswork?

305253 ▶▶ Voz 0db, replying to Liam, 15, #1368 of 1806 🔗

The scoundrels using white coats WILL NEVER admit they are wrong… Their ego and delusion that they are smarter than all the others not wearing a white coat prevents that from happening.

305262 Cecil B, replying to Cecil B, 17, #1369 of 1806 🔗

Do you remember those old westerns when the cowboys would camp in hostile country

The cowboys would be sat around the camp fire when the stupidest one would comment that it had gone really quiet

The hero would then grab his rifle and say it goes quiet before the Indians attack, and right on queue the Indians would attack

Sunak is an Indian and he’s gone very quiet

Just saying

Beware the ides of March

305270 ▶▶ Luckyharry69, replying to Cecil B, 10, #1370 of 1806 🔗

apparently ‘Diversity built Britain’?…well there you go………hes another Globalist wanker as far as I am concerned

305404 ▶▶▶ Mabel Cow, replying to Luckyharry69, 4, #1371 of 1806 🔗

Did it fuck.

The British empire was built by the millions of who left Britain, not some mythical influx of diversity.

There was very little immigration into Britain until the 50s, by which point we were a bankrupt nation and a spent force.

305279 ▶▶ Tom Blackburn, replying to Cecil B, 7, #1372 of 1806 🔗

Time to turn the heat up on this chump. How much have we borrowed compared to other countries during this farce?

305420 ▶▶▶ ShropshireLass, replying to Tom Blackburn, 2, #1373 of 1806 🔗

I don’t think they are worried by the huge debt being built up since the World Economic Forum promised their core funders would wipe out all debts for those who signed up to The Great Reset plan. And according to this, our government has indeed signed up: https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/regulation-for-the-fourth-industrial-revolution/regulation-for-the-fourth-industrial-revolution?fbclid=IwAR0g0J0IIkxOeWy5wbjYxC1yjB6pWiqArB6o7zoYrxC7F6C1hGveoWypza0
See my post on here put up about 8pm tonight on this topic.

305293 ▶▶ DocRC, replying to Cecil B, 2, #1374 of 1806 🔗

Yes, Mrs DocRC and I were wondering earlier what had happened to Sunak. I hope he is getting ready to attack as he seems about the only half-sensible member of the cabinet!

305312 ▶▶▶ chaos, replying to DocRC, 4, #1375 of 1806 🔗

erm.. no.

305352 ▶▶▶ annie, replying to DocRC, 4, #1376 of 1806 🔗

No he isn’t. He’s the one that us bankrolling this bullshit. No bankroll, no bullshit.

305347 ▶▶ stefarm, replying to Cecil B, 3, #1377 of 1806 🔗

He is minding his hedge fund

305285 Jo, replying to Jo, 9, #1378 of 1806 🔗

Went for a walk with a local friend who had gone earlier to a cafe for a coffee. There were two young women there, probably about 18, he reckoned, and he overheard their conversation: “so-and-so is getting the vaccine”; response from other: “oh that’s really cool!”

305343 ▶▶ Tenchy, replying to Jo, 8, #1379 of 1806 🔗

Yes, -80 decC

305286 Jane G, replying to Jane G, 40, #1380 of 1806 🔗

Just given a chocolate Santa to a 13year old piano pupil, who squeaked with delight and gave me a hug.
First one from anyone all year who is not my husband. It was lovely; to hell with the rules!

305354 ▶▶ RickH, replying to Jane G, 5, #1381 of 1806 🔗

Yes – it’s only sociopaths and psychopaths who advocate the alternative.

305289 Awkward Git, replying to Awkward Git, 12, #1382 of 1806 🔗

Just chatting to the son who is having a laugh at a facebook post he’s beens ent.

I don’t have facebook so cannot confirm it but if anyone here does then have a look.

Apparently at the London anti-lockdown rally on the 14th he says 10 policemen, who were on their days off and joined in the protest, were arrested as part of the 250 total arrested.

Also one question – if the Pfizer vaccine must be diluted with saline prior to use and it will be a milky off-white colour ( https://dokumentarac.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/12/Information_for_Healthcare_Professionals_on_Pfizer_BioNTech_COVID-19_vaccine.pdf ) when is this done for the TV shots?

I know it must be done after it has been defrosted and before you get jabbed but as every TV news broadcast shows the original glass vial it is supplied in being used and the mixture, which is clear, being put into the syringe and injected straight into a victim’s arm I’m just wondering what is being missed out or are they all s taged for the cameras?

305303 ▶▶ p02099003, replying to Awkward Git, 4, #1383 of 1806 🔗

Staged for the camera, why would a matron undertake the administration of a vaccination?

305344 ▶▶▶ John Stitch non stop dancer, replying to p02099003, #1384 of 1806 🔗

A matron doesn’t have the skills from my experience useless pointless position.

305414 ▶▶ ShropshireLass, replying to Awkward Git, #1385 of 1806 🔗

It is supposed to be diluted before use anyway!

305489 ▶▶ Andrea Salford, replying to Awkward Git, 1, #1386 of 1806 🔗

The 10 police joining the anti lockdown rally is very encouraging. And gawd knows we need the positives wherever we can find them.

305290 Tyneside Tigress, 13, #1387 of 1806 🔗

Just checked in, so apologies if this has already been posted:

Health Care Worker Had Serious Allergic Reaction After Pfizer’s Covid Vaccine – The New York Times (nytimes.com)

Another one – in the US – and no history of allergic reactions. This one is in hospital for a second day. Not good!

305292 Dan Clarke, replying to Dan Clarke, 5, #1388 of 1806 🔗

I might be wrong but civil servants would never survive in the private sector, its why the scientists, and the government are a worry

305304 ▶▶ Julian, replying to Dan Clarke, 4, #1389 of 1806 🔗

I’ve met plenty in the private sector who don’t deserve to survive, but are thriving

Have the private sector done much to resist the madness? Not much, IMO

305307 ▶▶▶ Dan Clarke, replying to Julian, #1390 of 1806 🔗

Good point, but the civil servants are running this show, although yes the private sector have given in without a fight

305323 ▶▶▶▶ Julian, replying to Dan Clarke, 2, #1391 of 1806 🔗

They are following orders from the cabinet, who are the most guilty along with SAGE, the media and MPs. Senior civil servants ought to have pushed back. The more junior ones just want to keep their jobs I guess.

305348 ▶▶ RickH, replying to Dan Clarke, 1, #1392 of 1806 🔗

It’s nothing to do with that divisiveness – that’s just playing into the hands of the perpetrators.

305301 Awkward Git, 13, #1393 of 1806 🔗

What a surprise – trying to put a complaint into the Information Commisionner’s Office about the BBC and when I hit the submit button all I get is “Bad Gtaeway”.

Happens on 3 different browsers so not my computer.

305305 Harry hopkins, replying to Harry hopkins, 27, #1394 of 1806 🔗

Every little victory helps.

Cohens is a chain of Chemists in the north of England. I was asked politely and gently (to the assistant’s credit) if I had a mask on entry in my Otley branch last week. Just as politely I explained that it wasn’t her place to challenge my mask less face. She accepted this with good grace. Nevertheless, I wrote to head office and explained the situation and sent a copy of the Covid regs-20. I received a fulsome apology back within hours.

And an added bonus came my way today in another E-mail from Cohens whereby they thank me for bringing the regs to their attention and that they will now put this into effect in their stores.

Keep plugging away…never give up…keep up the fight wherever we can.
Here’s the E-mail:

Dear Mr Hopkins,

Thank you for the information you have provided and we will ensure that the correct process is followed in future with regards to members of the public not wearing a mask.


305494 ▶▶ Andrea Salford, replying to Harry hopkins, 2, #1395 of 1806 🔗

Long may this be the case before the jobsworths, little Hitlers and sick note/hypochondriacs take over.

305306 Ned of the Hills, 3, #1396 of 1806 🔗

“Thanksgiving” is a terrible warning! It led to a spike in cases!

Well, using https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/#countries I’ve looked at two states; Florida and Pennsylvania to see the size of these spikes.

The shape of the graph is pretty much the same for each state. There’s no obvious ‘spike’ in the two graphs but a dip in each one that lasts two or three days and then it goes on climbing the way it did before.

In Pennsylvania’s case the dip commences on the 28th, in the case of Florida on the 26th. Thankgiving was on the 26th. Thanksgiving? Holidays? Perhaps the dips are caused by late reporting?

305314 Aslangeo, replying to Aslangeo, 11, #1397 of 1806 🔗

Had been scrupulously avoiding BBC news but just had the 6 pm tv on. Saddened and Angry – how do people believe such blatant government propaganda? Nobody who has ever lived in a dictatorship ever would fail to see through this bullshit

No dissenting voices just some ministers and scientific sadists bleating on about how we will all die of Covid unless we lock down forever, No mention of the genuine harm being done to society or peoples lives. I am sure that the biologists enjoyed experimenting on animals in vivisection class and are now happy to experiment on humans

– just switched off and will avoid as much as I can in the future for my sanity

What happened to the freedom loving country that gave me a home as a child??

A part of me hopes that the lockdown supporters see some real economic and social pain, unfortunately that would also involve hurting the innocent – I see a bumper sticker coming – “don’t blame me I was a Lockdown Sceptic”

On a positive note listening to Lord Gumption on Talk radio talking about how the only form of lockdown that could possibly work would be to seal us all hermetically for 3 months – just be careful that moron in 10 downing street might just take him up on the offer

305345 ▶▶ RickH, replying to Aslangeo, 5, #1398 of 1806 🔗

Nobody who has ever lived in a dictatorship ever would fail to see through this bullshit”

… and that’s the point. Those who have lived through such dictatorship have usually had time to get to know the beast, to accommodate, and to find a subversive alternative reality.

305371 ▶▶ Bella, replying to Aslangeo, 7, #1399 of 1806 🔗

It still wouldn’t work. I acquired a cold in late May after not mixing with anyone, not even entering a shop, for four weeks.

305504 ▶▶ Andrea Salford, replying to Aslangeo, #1400 of 1806 🔗

There seems to be a weird well of people (at least around me) that 1) aren’t that afraid of the virus and realise it’s being overhyped……however
2) can’t believe the government would/could lie therefore/or
3) don’t want to break the ‘law’.

Only time – ie the constant lies and goal shifting of the government/propaganda against what they can actually see happening – will shift them to catch up with us. Let’s hope that time isn’t too late.

305315 Fingerache Philip., replying to Fingerache Philip., 34, #1401 of 1806 🔗

I have said this before and my FS’s have said the same.
If mixing, mingling, whatever at Christmas or any other time is so dangerous, WHY haven’t there been massive outbreaks among retail workers?
My younger son works in an high street chain of shops and after months of dealing with the general public, he and his colleagues plus 100’s of thousands of retail workers all over the country have hardly been “wiped out”.
We rest our case.

305324 ▶▶ JHuntz, replying to Fingerache Philip., 6, #1402 of 1806 🔗

Look at the data here regards police fatalities

Police officers around the world have died from Covid-19 – Full Fact

Ironically, the sites fact checking is clearly designed to maintain the COVID fear porn but in doing so highlights that COVID isn’t all that dangerous. 50 officers in the whole of the USA is not a lot.

305336 ▶▶▶ Ben, replying to JHuntz, 7, #1403 of 1806 🔗

And the tests are dodgy, so we don’t even know if it’s Covid, flu, pneumonia, or with a comorbity

305357 ▶▶▶ Andy Riley, replying to JHuntz, 8, #1404 of 1806 🔗

There is an FoI response on the MPS website that gives 0 as the number for the Metropolitan Police.
And this is a profession where there is a lot of close contact with the public – especially when roughing up protesters.
I’ve noticed that when they are sitting in their vans they are mostly unmasked – almost as if they don’t themselves believe there is any danger.

305367 ▶▶▶▶ Bella, replying to Andy Riley, 3, #1405 of 1806 🔗

But it’s the masks that save them when they are mixing with the great unwashed. Particularly when the coppers (and it’s most of them) are hygienically fiddling with their masks with their oh-so-clean fingers.

305362 ▶▶ Bella, replying to Fingerache Philip., 3, #1406 of 1806 🔗

Quite. It’s all emotional blackmail.

305527 ▶▶ Stringfellow Hawke, replying to Fingerache Philip., #1407 of 1806 🔗

Also the fact that many front line & emergency services – definitely the Police, are actively in the midst of recruitment drives, tells you something too. Pretty sure they would not be out & about quite so much if this really were the bubonic plague!

305316 Gman, replying to Gman, 55, #1408 of 1806 🔗

I don’t think I have ever felt so much anger and disgust as I am feeling right now (which is saying something after this year.) My mum has just called in tears to say that she cant come to see us at Christmas – she has been terrified by the constant fear propaganda spread by these vicious Nazis.

I have from the beginning been fighting a losing battle by providing her with the real information and it was starting to break through with 2 visits to restaurants in the last month that she would never have done before and she was so looking forward to having a normal Christmas. But now with this latest guilt trip (yes you can have Christmas but you are very selfish if you do) she has literally been broken.

I am determined these bastards will pay for what they have done to our country – it is literally the only thing that is keeping me going and I for one will never ever give up.

305334 ▶▶ Ben, replying to Gman, 19, #1409 of 1806 🔗

She can choose fear or life

That’s what it boils down to. Living and feeling alive comes with risks. Getting in a car is a risk. Having a glass of wine is a risk

What is the point of being physically healthy if we can’t live our lives?

To actually *live* or to be merely alive is the choice.

305380 ▶▶▶ Lisa (formerly) from Toronto, replying to Ben, 9, #1410 of 1806 🔗

Yes, in truth the car ride is far riskier than dying from Covid. People have completely lost the ability to assess risk, along with any sense of what makes life worth living.

305408 ▶▶ ShropshireLass, replying to Gman, 8, #1411 of 1806 🔗

Have a look at my post of 8pm this evening Gman. It looks like The World Economic Forum’s Great Reset is the real agenda here – Covid-19 was just a cover plandemic to buy governments time to get the required technology as advanced as it possibly could, meanwhile finding a way to control the population and accustom them to ‘the new normal’. Like Canada, the UK government has finally come out of the closet and admitted publicly on its website that it has signed up to the WEF’s grand plan as described by Sebastian Friebel in 19th November edition of the LS newsletter. I have provided a couple of links for members to see for themselves.

305321 Dan Clarke, 10, #1412 of 1806 🔗

Its all over N Korea that Chris Whitty is a misery and party pooper

305325 Zak Thelotofem, replying to Zak Thelotofem, 20, #1413 of 1806 🔗

All the numbers of ‘cases’, hospitalisations and deaths propagated by the government are attributed to a positive PCR test result. Until we have genuine validation of this method, how can anyone believe the figures?

305335 ▶▶ RickH, replying to Zak Thelotofem, 9, #1414 of 1806 🔗

Look at the recent paper by Claire Craig and colleagues (cited here). It’s but one sample, but rings true.

The oft-quoted ‘cases’ represent about an 10-12x exaggeration of actual infection, of which very little will be consequential illness.

305342 ▶▶▶ Zak Thelotofem, replying to RickH, 3, #1415 of 1806 🔗

Precisely. I definitely think there is an inverse proportion to the increase in the number of tests to the quality and reliability of them

305385 ▶▶ Harry hopkins, replying to Zak Thelotofem, 6, #1416 of 1806 🔗

‘Until we have genuine validation of this method’

How can you validate a test that is based on a virus that has not as yet been isolated?
The ‘virus’ is a scam, the test is a sham, and the vaccine is a 12 billion pound dividend to the pharmaceutical companies..

305326 Two-Six, replying to Two-Six, 43, #1417 of 1806 🔗

I met up with a customer today, a young guy of about 35 who was a musician, he did gigs all over everywhere in a show band. Not since March. He just told me his girlfriend of 4 years who he been seeing properly for about the last 6 months, (she lives in another town fairly far away) has just killed herself, leaving her 11 year old.

So that’s another one. my list is getting quite long.

I literally have met more random people who have told me of somebody they know killing themselves than people who have died of the covids. All of them young.

305327 ▶▶ Laura Suckling, replying to Two-Six, 8, #1418 of 1806 🔗

So horrible.

305329 ▶▶ calchas, replying to Two-Six, 22, #1419 of 1806 🔗

Never forgive, and never forget.

305392 ▶▶▶ JHuntz, replying to calchas, 11, #1420 of 1806 🔗

Yeah, in all future conversation even if this is behind us at some point i’ll be asking people what their view was on lockdown before sharing mine. Will let me differentiate from the collaborators and the undecated whom I will distance myself from.

Brexit/ Remain I couldn’t care less what side you voted.

Yes/ No I couldn’t care less which side you voted.

This is completely different I do care and I do discriminate.

305338 ▶▶ James007, replying to Two-Six, 23, #1421 of 1806 🔗

It is incredible to me how completely blind people are to the real suffering caused by these extreme and brutal policies. It is heartbreaking to hear such stories.

305340 ▶▶ RickH, replying to Two-Six, 5, #1422 of 1806 🔗

… and it doesn’t have to get to that level of consequence to be horrendous.

No – its not a forgivable ‘mistake’.

305360 ▶▶ Bella, replying to Two-Six, 9, #1423 of 1806 🔗

It is sickening and very distressing. What’s worth doing is try to convince people that staying and fighting is a better option than offing yourself. In the meantime, condolences.

305361 ▶▶ Jo Dominich -, replying to Two-Six, 7, #1424 of 1806 🔗

What a terrible terrible tragedy. I do hope her family will look after her son.

305399 ▶▶ Bill Grates, replying to Two-Six, 2, #1425 of 1806 🔗

Don’t expect to hear Hancock etc to start reverentially listing these statistics amongst the “covid” roll call of honour.

Sadly until the bulk of people begin to feel real economic pain and run out of money these individual tragedies aren’t going to have much wider impact.

305339 calchas, replying to calchas, 4, #1426 of 1806 🔗

Christmas market earlier today -in Dubai (German)


305452 ▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to calchas, 1, #1427 of 1806 🔗

Dubai? How ironic!

305341 Hieronimusb, replying to Hieronimusb, 17, #1428 of 1806 🔗

“We shall go on to the end,” Hancock said. “We shall find it at home and in France, we shall find it in the seas and oceans, we shall find it with growing insanity and growing weakness in the air, we shall deplete our Island, whatever the cost may be, we shall find it on the beaches, we shall find it in the hospitals, we shall find it in the fields and in the streets, we shall find it in the hills; we shall never grow up.”

305379 ▶▶ Bill Grates, replying to Hieronimusb, 7, #1429 of 1806 🔗

Yes very good .
It must be patently obvious to all by now that this has absolutely nothing to do with health.

It is all about the AI future and blanket govt/authorities oversight of every facet of existence., oh and of course if we as individuals will be privileged enough to be allowed to survive to participate in the new society.

305403 ▶▶▶ ShropshireLass, replying to Bill Grates, 3, #1430 of 1806 🔗

I think this explains the real reason behind this Covid-19 plandemic:


We have established a partnership with the World Economic Forum to shape the global governance of technological innovation.
But we can go further. The Business Secretary has established a Ministerial Working Group on Future Regulation to drive reform across government to put us at the forefront of the industries of the future. The Prime Minister’s Council for Science and Technology has provided recommendations on how to enhance the regulatory oversight of technological innovation . We have identified 6 challenges we need to address:
·        we need to be on the front foot in reforming regulation in response to technological innovation
·        we need to ensure that our regulatory system is sufficiently flexible and outcomes-focused to enable innovation to thrive
·        we need to enable greater experimentation, testing and trialling of innovations under regulatory supervision

This is obviously why so many new and alarming pieces of legislation were passed without parliamentary scrutiny earlier this summer, using the Covid-19 issue as a means to get them introduced into law without any awkward questions being asked.

This is truly terrifying. Proves beyond doubt this is definitely not a conspiracy theory. Have a look at Sebastian Friebel’s ‘The Future Shape of Things’ which featured in the LS newsletter on 19th November.

305409 ▶▶▶▶ Bill Grates, replying to ShropshireLass, 7, #1431 of 1806 🔗

I’ve been saying since before this website started that this isn’t a conspiracy it’s an agenda.
The orchestrators don’t try to hide it but it seems so outlandish to most people they simply cannot comprehend the scale of the envisioned changes.
To anyone who’s been delving into these global power-plays for years and not taking what we are told at face value this has been long foretold. If one is only just waking up to these seismic realities it can be totally disorienting .
The scope is huge , the preparations have been long and painstaking, the only weak point is the inherent unpredictability of humanity which is the only thing that will drive this agenda into the sand . If that doesn’t happen it will be too late .

305413 ▶▶▶▶▶ Hieronimusb, replying to Bill Grates, 3, #1432 of 1806 🔗

Indeed, some of us have been watching and commenting elsewhere for many years, all too true I’m afraid.

305491 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ ShropshireLass, replying to Hieronimusb, 1, #1433 of 1806 🔗

I had previously dismissed al the stuff about the WEF and Great Reset until I read Sebastian Friebel’s paper through LS, and then an alarming report I accidentally found on our government’s website last autumn which included some pretty startling and dramatic changes actually made sense. The report was commissioned by our government following their attendance at a WEF annual conference, which I knew nothing about at the time. It was extremely long and detailed so I couldn’t read it all in one sitting and saved the link. When Friebel’s paper prompted me to re-visit the official UK report the link simply took me to a page which said ‘No longer available’ or words to that effect. It was then that I no longer thought it was a conspiracy theory after all. I have heard senior politicians abroad pointing out it is not a conspiracy theory too but warning people the WEF and Great Reset have been carefully constructed and engineered plans for some years now, but the architects, supporters and funders were struggling to find ways of bringing them into being – until the Covid-19 pandemic provided the perfect opportunity. Whether the virus was engineered for this purpose or was simply a natural event that the WEF too advantage of, I assume we will never know.

305535 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Hieronimusb, replying to ShropshireLass, 1, #1434 of 1806 🔗

One has to sympathise with anyone who would rather cling to what remains of their belief in benign govt than accept that govts are now demonstrably benighted in numerous countries. To do this means to abandon the comfort blanket under which most of us, myself included, have slumbered innocently since childhood. It took me many years and some direct personal experience with govt agencies to see that fascism, exactly as Benito Mussolini defined it and with its attendant fanatical support ideologies, is now writ large upon our lives.

305346 Victoria, 16, #1435 of 1806 🔗

Copied this from another website comment:

I heard a brilliant retort the other day to someone accusing another of being a “conspiracy theorist”. The accused simply said, “You’ve got it wrong. It is you that is the theorist. A “Complicity Theorist” dutifully complying with what the Government tell you without doing any research. Instead of checking out real science – you substitute craven compliance.”

305349 Adam, 5, #1436 of 1806 🔗

enough is enough defend Your rights or lose them Johnson Hancock Witty etc must go now https://www.saveourrights.uk

305350 annie, replying to annie, 14, #1437 of 1806 🔗

Hey, Welshies, when you woke up this morning, did you think it was impossible to hate Dungford more than you did already?
Well, you were wrong.
I was wrong.
I could strangle him with my own hands.
I could.

305358 ▶▶ Jo Dominich -, replying to annie, 12, #1438 of 1806 🔗

The man is clearly in full messianic delusions mode. He’s bouncing Wales in and out of lockdowns like a yoyo without any rationale, analysis of proper data or any notion of responsible stewardship about the economy, loss of jobs, destruction of society. He should be on prison with his son for serious violation of the Welsh Nation and it’s people.

305369 ▶▶▶ annie, replying to Jo Dominich -, 7, #1439 of 1806 🔗

I shall once again become a confirmed lawbreaker.
And I shan’t bloody care.
Dungford’s fellow-sadist Gething was saying a couple of days ago that if the Welsh gov didn’t honour its promises about a mitigation of hell over Christmas, it would lose the country’s trust. As if it had it to start with.
Obey this, you Welsh business cowards, and you’re done for.

305359 TheBigman, replying to TheBigman, 1, #1440 of 1806 🔗

Sooo. It appears comments on here are being censored and deleted. So much for free speech eh.

305364 ▶▶ RickH, replying to TheBigman, 1, #1441 of 1806 🔗


305368 ▶▶ John Stitch non stop dancer, replying to TheBigman, -1, #1442 of 1806 🔗

What comments?

305397 ▶▶ Julian, replying to TheBigman, 3, #1443 of 1806 🔗

I have never encountered any censorship here, or heard of it happening

305398 ▶▶▶ matt, replying to Julian, 2, #1444 of 1806 🔗

There been a few occasions where people have thought their comments haven’t been approved, but others have been able to see them.

305419 ▶▶ DocRC, replying to TheBigman, #1445 of 1806 🔗

evidence. examples?

305477 ▶▶ Sarigan, replying to TheBigman, #1446 of 1806 🔗

I have not seen any comments deleted. Do you have examples?

305365 Country Mumkin, replying to Country Mumkin, 12, #1447 of 1806 🔗

Isn’t it depressing that people want to micro-manage the population to such an enormous degree?! They can’t just even give some guidance, it had to be be finite controlling. This would be classed as abuse in a relationship.


305374 ▶▶ RickH, replying to Country Mumkin, 8, #1448 of 1806 🔗

Again – this pseudo-crisis has allowed the sociopaths and psychopaths to become elevated to a significance that would have been countered in normal circumstances.

305383 ▶▶▶ RickH, replying to RickH, 6, #1449 of 1806 🔗

P.S. I am quite serious about classifying people like Whitty and Vallance as having serious socio/psychological adjustment illness. It’s not difficult to diagnose. (Johnson’s pathology was already known about)

305400 ▶▶▶▶ Country Mumkin, replying to RickH, 2, #1450 of 1806 🔗

The spi b doc was supported by a psychologist. I can’t believe he feels this is an appropriate way to behave towards other humans. I’m not sure it wouldn’t be against psychological codes of ethics. Maybe all the spi-B stuff would?

305440 ▶▶▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Country Mumkin, #1451 of 1806 🔗

That was covered very eloquently in the psychologist’s letter yesterday. I hope lots of professionals hear about it and sign.

305488 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Country Mumkin, replying to Cheezilla, 1, #1452 of 1806 🔗

Ah really. I missed that. I’ll look. Thanks 🙂

305492 ▶▶▶▶ Country Mumkin, replying to RickH, 2, #1454 of 1806 🔗

There’s something wrong. Whitty doesn’t even blink, show emotion or move. Apart from when he referenced vaccines going in the national arm and he lifted one hand and touched his upper opposite arm. It was pretty sinister!

305612 ▶▶▶▶▶ The Mask Exempt Covid Marshall, replying to Country Mumkin, 1, #1455 of 1806 🔗

Whitty is a very weird, socially primitive person.

305370 l835, replying to l835, 13, #1456 of 1806 🔗

Dear Santa. Please can Wales have independence for Christmas? It’s not that the assembly has been good or anything, but I’d like to see drakeford playing politics without England to bale him out and pay for it all. Thanks.

Ps. Same for Scotland too if you can.

305375 ▶▶ annie, replying to l835, 4, #1457 of 1806 🔗

God Almighty, no. No consideration of common sense, including economic common sense, would ever stop this lunatic.The only thing that will stop him is sudden death.

305395 ▶▶▶ l835, replying to annie, 2, #1458 of 1806 🔗

Go on then, as it’s Christmas!

305417 ▶▶ Richym99, replying to l835, #1459 of 1806 🔗

You sod off. I have no desire to move back to England.

305553 ▶▶ Ben, replying to l835, #1460 of 1806 🔗

Sturgeon and Drakeford both have altars to Bill Gates and Klaus Schwab and worship at them daily

305591 ▶▶▶ annie, replying to Ben, #1461 of 1806 🔗

Dungford worships at the shrine of Stalin.Dungford is Stalin with all the niceness taken out.

305388 ▶▶ John Stitch non stop dancer, replying to Ewan Duffy, -7, #1463 of 1806 🔗

You look good with that black cock inside you plenty of practice and no lube right?

305396 ▶▶▶ John Stitch non stop dancer, replying to John Stitch non stop dancer, -4, #1464 of 1806 🔗

No really he does such a cheeky smile.

305411 ▶▶ pvenkman, replying to Ewan Duffy, 2, #1465 of 1806 🔗

Should have read the reply’s before clicking!

305545 ▶▶ Ben, replying to Ewan Duffy, #1466 of 1806 🔗

FFS Ewan! I come here to escape politicians’ sleaze

305377 George Mc, replying to George Mc, 24, #1467 of 1806 🔗

For fuck’s sake! The TV news is unbelievably unbelievable now, isn’t it?

The sombre talking heads in separate rooms – possibly separate continents. The soul crushing monotone murmuring.

“The virus has now spiralled away out of control at a rate that is even more devastatingly devastating than any devastation that the devastated have ever devastated in the entire history of interplanetary existence. And it is vital for the continuance of the pampered arses of our desperate parasitical slime lords to badger every single one of you lot into ever deepening depths of utter despairing boredom with this grilling guffery.

So remember that you can only take granny to the toilet on 2.3 occasions every Tuesday up until Christmas, no breathing both in and out in the same room unless it’s raining in which case you can freely do so but only if you sing a selection of Abba songs in B flat at ultra-fast speed. Don’t serve meat with vegetables unless you have a Teletubbies DVD on and whatever you do, don’t do it!

Meanwhile we have some uplifting news. Friends of the Gerbil have just won a court case to save the brussel sprout from thermo nuclear warming just in time for all pandas to be put to bed nicely.”

305389 ▶▶ Alethea, replying to George Mc, 5, #1468 of 1806 🔗

a devastating critique

305402 ▶▶ Ben, replying to George Mc, 3, #1469 of 1806 🔗

And Sky News’ Kay Burley broke lockdown rules and had a wild party. Now she’s fled to Africa after being suspended

305436 ▶▶ Banjones, replying to George Mc, #1470 of 1806 🔗

I think they seek out people with sepulchral voices. I don’t know how they convince anyone of anything, to be honest. It’s depressing to think that many people are so gullible.

305378 Ewan Duffy, 8, #1471 of 1806 🔗


No outbreaks of COVID in Irish pubs and restaurants since they were allowed reopen.

The ban on wet pubs reopening is unjustifiable.

305393 John Stitch non stop dancer, replying to John Stitch non stop dancer, 2, #1472 of 1806 🔗

Comments are being removed I assume the site is compromised Mr Duffy?

305405 ▶▶ matt, replying to John Stitch non stop dancer, -1, #1473 of 1806 🔗

Something odd is going on. If I reload the page, comments are appearing/disappearing/reappearing more or less at random

305415 ▶▶▶ John Stitch non stop dancer, replying to matt, 1, #1474 of 1806 🔗

Not to mention links to gay porn

305448 ▶▶▶▶ annie, replying to John Stitch non stop dancer, 1, #1475 of 1806 🔗

Yes, very odd.

305450 ▶▶ Steve Martindale, replying to John Stitch non stop dancer, #1476 of 1806 🔗

What comments? any details?

305461 ▶▶▶ John Stitch non stop dancer, replying to Steve Martindale, #1477 of 1806 🔗

Check Mr Duffys prior link.

305394 ShropshireLass, replying to ShropshireLass, 8, #1478 of 1806 🔗

Further to the article by Sebastian Friebel ‘the Future Shape of Things’ that featured in LS newsletter of19 Nov, I have been looking into the World Economic Forum and its Great Reset plan and thought it explained a lot of why governments, including ours, were ignoring so many eminent, respected and published scientific and medical experts challenges and supporting evidence, to continue the irrational draconian restrictions and also their continued use of PCR tests for widespread community testing to justify sustaining the panic agenda. Our government has just confirmed it has entered into a partnership with the World Economic Forum, which confirms Boris Johnson’s endorsement of The Great Reset in a recent TV interview, where he was also wearing a WEF lapel badge. If you haven’t read Friebel’s document, do so – it is on the LS website. Then have a look at these 2 links, one from our government’s website on ‘The Fourth Revolution’ and the second a feature on the World Economic Forum’s own website. Have we been asked to sign up and endorse this? I certainly haven’t. Definitely not a conspiracy theory is it?
Truly terrifying.

UK government confirms it has formed a partnership with the WEF:
We are turning things round. The Financial Conduct Authority’s regulatory sandbox has kick-started a wave of regulator-led initiatives to support new products and services to come to market and been widely emulated across the globe. Our Regulators’ Pioneer Fund is accelerating the change, with £10 million invested in 15 projects to support technologies from autonomous shipping to virtual lawyers. We have established a partnership with the World Economic Forum to shape the global governance of technological innovation.
But we can go further. The Business Secretary has established a Ministerial Working Group on Future Regulation to drive reform across government to put us at the forefront of the industries of the future. The Prime Minister’s Council for Science and Technology has provided recommendations on how to enhance the regulatory oversight of technological innovation . We have identified 6 challenges we need to address:
·        we need to be on the front foot in reforming regulation in response to technological innovation
·        we need to ensure that our regulatory system is sufficiently flexible and outcomes-focused to enable innovation to thrive
·        we need to enable greater experimentation, testing and trialling of innovations under regulatory supervision

This is obviously why so many new and alarming pieces of legislation were passed without parliamentary scrutiny earlier this summer, using the Covid-19 issue as a means to get them introduced into law without any awkward questions being asked.

And, below is a link to the WEF’s own website which shows what the Great Reset plan looks towards achieving – which amounts to complete and total slavery. Their posters, booklet and leaflets explain that as part of ‘The Great Reset’ plan individuals will own nothing. Cash will be abolished . To achieve this, according to the World Freedom Alliance the WEF leaders and funders want us all to have microchip implants. [NB. The Gates Foundation apparently funded the technology for this some time ago, which has a registered patent; it was also apparently proposed at the WEF October 2019 conference that one way of achieving it was through mass vaccination, hence in November 2019 Matt Hancock allegedly sought advice from the government’s legal team whether mass vaccinations for everyone could be made mandatory.


Photo of Klaus Schwab, Head of the WEF below. Where is 007 when you need him?

305418 ▶▶ John P, replying to ShropshireLass, 2, #1479 of 1806 🔗

Yes, an unintentionally apt final sentence. Schwab a Bond villain? I think not.

An eccentric old man? I think that better sums him up.

Many of the ideas on the reset video strike me as fanciful in the extreme. The idea that people are going to somehow give up ownership of their houses and their possessions is absurd. ABSURD.

Equally absurd is the idea that we will all be jetting off to Mars any minute. It’s not going to happen.

I am dismayed that so many are buying into this “great reset” idea. It’s hard enough trying to convince the zealots that the government is lying without having to deal with this bollocks.

How can I reason with a zealot? If they show them this they’ll laugh and accuse me of being a conspiracy theorist!

Fine. I get you. You keep pushing this, but you’ve no hard evidence that he (or for that matter Gates) is behind it.

No wonder that we are doing so badly when so many of us are pushing this!

Are some of you “controlled opposition”? Are some of you deliberately pushing this to discredit lockdown sceptics?

305426 ▶▶▶ MutzNutz, replying to John P, -3, #1480 of 1806 🔗

Well said John P !!

305428 ▶▶▶ Jonathan Palmer, replying to John P, 5, #1481 of 1806 🔗

Some of the WEF is far out but they recently signed an accord with the UN.Agenda 21/30.
This is fact and you can read what our government have signed us up for.Fanciful,maybe but all the cycle lanes,banning of petrol/diesel cars
Windmills start to make sense as they press on for our zero carbon future.This is enshrined in law by Theresa May and must be achieved by 2040

305438 ▶▶▶▶ ShropshireLass, replying to Jonathan Palmer, 1, #1482 of 1806 🔗

Think the date was brought forward to 2030 from what I have heard and read?

305435 ▶▶▶ ShropshireLass, replying to John P, 3, #1483 of 1806 🔗

Definitely not part of a “controlled opposition”! The WEF plans and the involvement of Gates in them are not exactly secrets and Schwab is very powerful – he has behind him and his organisation – the WEF huge resources from the Gates and Rockefeller Foundations, the IMF, J.P. Morgan, the big tech and pharma giants, United Nations members etc. It has been on the news in numerous countries. Boris Johnson was wearing a WEF lapel badge and mentioned his support for The Great Reset in a recent TV interview. And if you read Friebel’s report from the LS newsletter and read through the articles to which I provided the links, one of which is our own government’s website, it is hardly absurd – the technology is already well advanced to implement quite a lot of the plans. People will not have a choice about giving up their houses and possessions – if they do not comply with a whole set of new rules and regulations they will not be able to have access to the things they need. These will only be accessible either through ID cards or so called Health passes; there will be no cash, and they will not be able to access bank accounts etc because the technology can freeze them out. Bill Gates himself has spoken of the plans and the need for them on numerous occasions – and is not hiding the fact that his Foundation is funding a lot of the technological developments, as well as pharmaceutical interventions.

305447 ▶▶▶▶ MutzNutz, replying to ShropshireLass, -5, #1484 of 1806 🔗

You left out George Soros…. and the Rothschilds

305439 ▶▶▶ Hieronimusb, replying to John P, 2, #1485 of 1806 🔗

With the greatest of respect, the views that you express above are both naive and insulting; there is hard evidence aplenty for anyone paying attention and unwilling to be misled. Just consider the number of agendas that a few years ago were dismissed as ‘conspiracy theory’ yet are now, uncomfortably, part of everyday life. Be that as it may, I genuinely hope that your beliefs withstand the test of time and bring you solace. Are you working for the Cabinet Office by any chance?

305457 ▶▶▶▶ MutzNutz, replying to Hieronimusb, -6, #1486 of 1806 🔗

“Just consider the number of agendas that a few years ago were dismissed as ‘conspiracy theory’ yet are now, uncomfortably, part of everyday life”
such as?

305460 ▶▶▶▶▶ dommo, replying to MutzNutz, 1, #1487 of 1806 🔗

jesus get a brain cell will you

305475 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ MutzNutz, replying to dommo, -5, #1488 of 1806 🔗

Well then, give me some examples to help educate me

305516 ▶▶▶▶▶ Hieronimusb, replying to MutzNutz, 1, #1489 of 1806 🔗

The Cabinet Office based Behavioural Insights Team, formed under Cameron, has boasted quite openly for many years about its ability to manipulate public perception through the use of applied behavioural psychology. They were tasked in March, along with the SAGE support group, with increasing ‘the level of personal threat’ in the population. Including the various other units within the CO devoted to mind bending of one sort or another there are now in the region of 17,000 spooks, sorry civil servants, working on this. Does that help?

305616 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ MutzNutz, replying to Hieronimusb, #1490 of 1806 🔗

‘The Nudge Unit’ as it was known at its inception, was the brainchild of Steve Hilton (now a Fox News face and vociferous Trump & anti lockdown supporter) & subsequently enthusiastically promoted by Dominic Cummings – well let’s not go there…
I would wager that its previous efforts to ‘encourage’ (scare & intimidate ) people off benefits, for example, and many other Gov’t objectives would be regarded as ‘good’ Government by many here.
Governments have always had this kind of operation, so why the pearl-clutching over its existence now?

305800 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Hieronimusb, replying to MutzNutz, #1491 of 1806 🔗

An easy exculpation, no doubt made in the name of pragmatism. Governments have most certainly not had the ability in the past to use applied behavioural psychology through mass information technology and the MSM to influence the public on anything like this scale and it is disingenuous to suggest otherwise; on this scale it is comparatively new and infinitely sinister as we have all now witnessed every day of our lives during the last months. As for clutching at pearls, you’ll have to string someone else up with that one.

305536 ▶▶ Ben, replying to ShropshireLass, #1492 of 1806 🔗

How many of his mates are going to buy up the pubs that have gone out of business for a snip. Vultures

305401 George Mc, 6, #1493 of 1806 🔗

It was a satisfyingly dreary day – a day to dampen the last remaining hope of even a mediocre festive season. David Northgreen of Trots Inc. surveyed with pleasure the haunted faces around and reflected on how potent his polystyrene revolutionary necrophiliac campaign had been in crushing the last vestige of critical thought from his pince nez wearing internet afficionados.

The phone rang causing him to spill his chardonnay. Blinking back the momentary irritation he yanked up the receiver. It was his anonymous paymaster. The voice was angry.

“What the fuck have you been doing?”

David was astonished. “What are you talking about? The great rebel forces are now baying for the revolution over the mass graves of the capitalist supporting covid corpses!”

“I’m not talking about that!” screamed the tinny voice. “They may be jacking off over the zombie show but they’re refusing the vax!”

David blinked. He hadn’t expected his flock to display even a glimmer of insight into the operation. “Well I …” He struggled to get his thoughts together.

“There’s only one solution” came back the insectile whine, “You will have to swallow the vax!”

David broke into a sweat. “Oh for the love of God!”

“Oh don’t start that! You’re not even supposed to believe in the cloud man! Look! Don’t worry! We have no intention of killing you off with that rat poison. You’re far too valuable to us. The Left have always been a pain in the arse – though admittedly not so troublesome since we programmed them to guffaw at the word ‘conspiracy’. We sure got them on board with Operation Turban!”

David chuckled as the voice continued,

“But now as you well know we are going for the big one: Operation Headless. Selling them the corpse count as the revolution was brilliant but they’re not stupid enough to swallow the de-icer just yet. So here’s what we’ll do. You can be a covid case and …”

“But” David interrupted, “surely there’s no such thing as….”

“Well of course not!” the voice snapped. “What we do is get the makeup team from Walking Dead to give you a roughing up, have you spaghettied up to an ICU and then plug a fake syringe in and perhaps with a bit of CGI we can morph you into ….oh I dunno, a young Springsteen in mid concert perhaps.”

“Sounds good” said Dave.

“But you have to keep up your end as well with the figures. What was that your little internet rag said yesterday? Four billion dead in the first nanosecond. Come on man! We need far more and far faster! Think you can do that?”

“Yes sir! Emm ….Will you keep your promise?”

“What? A private residence for yourself consisting of, say, the whole of Canada? No problem! It’s not like there’s going to be anyone else there afterwards!”

Both sniggered.

305406 Tom Blackburn, replying to Tom Blackburn, 3, #1494 of 1806 🔗

USA TODAY: The best COVID-19 vaccine sales pitch is not ‘protect others.’ It’s ‘save yourself!’.

305425 ▶▶ leggy, replying to Tom Blackburn, 11, #1495 of 1806 🔗

I think I’ll just trust in a few million years of human immune system evolution thanks.

305427 ▶▶▶ ConstantBees, replying to leggy, 9, #1496 of 1806 🔗

Yes, my immune system works just fine, thank you. I don’t need “saving”.

305531 ▶▶ PoshPanic, replying to Tom Blackburn, 2, #1497 of 1806 🔗

Or is it because none of the vaccines stop the spread?

305589 ▶▶ Lisa (formerly) from Toronto, replying to Tom Blackburn, 1, #1498 of 1806 🔗

They’re even trying that tactic with masks now. The “evolving research” now suggests that masks do, indeed, protect the wearer. Personally, I always thought the mask zealots were wearing them to protect themselves. How else do you explain wearing them alone outdoors and in the car?

305407 Cheezilla, replying to Cheezilla, 15, #1499 of 1806 🔗

Serbia: Hundreds joined Orthodox procession against COVID measures in Belgrade
Why did the churches around the world allow their doors to be closed? They have never closed before, they took in the sick and the needy in the past, they didn’t shut them out. All congregations stopped when people needed them most. Why?

That’s a question I’ve pondered myself. Our hospitals used to be part of the monasteries!


305422 ▶▶ Bill Grates, replying to Cheezilla, 17, #1500 of 1806 🔗

The big big problem that is not visible is that ALL the major institutions public and private have been deliberately completely compromised over a long and meticulously planned process. It’s part of the undermining of society by illusion, the majority is led to believe it’s beliefs are in fact no longer acceptable.
The churches are completely compromised.

305431 ▶▶ Banjones, replying to Cheezilla, 12, #1501 of 1806 🔗

Yes, indeed. I know I’ve said it many times before – but if I were a committed clergyman/woman/priest/whatever – I’d have gone to my church EVERY DAY and I’d have stayed there in case any one person wanted to call in for the peace of our church, or to speak to me. And if I couldn’t have gone in to the church, then I’d have set up my table in the porch, and been there – for even one person.

Failing that, I’d have stood beneath the preaching cross and spoken to my parishioners as they passed by. But what do they do? (Ours anyway.) They put a notice on the board, or on the website, asking people to join them ‘on line’. How unforgivable this neglectful attitude has been.

What is WRONG with these people?

305493 ▶▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to Banjones, 3, #1502 of 1806 🔗

They are supposed to be servants of their congregation. Not just a self appointed community leader, which can’t move for these days, but devoted by way of a vocation.

Easy for me to say I suppose I will say. They have been called to stand for what the believe in and they have failed miserably. I haven’t been asked to lay it all on the line in a similar way just yet

305541 ▶▶▶ Jane G, replying to Banjones, 2, #1503 of 1806 🔗

Passed one of our retired but still active clergy in the street last week; in a mask, out of doors. Don’t know how I recognised him but judging by his demeanor- slightly hunched and cowed- I felt he was hoping to slink past me unnoticed. I greeted him but perhaps my expression betrayed bewilderment.
I can’t bear the idea of returning to a building full (hah! – spread out like the H o C more like) of masked minions. I went every week for 40+ years, many of those as organist, but not now. I feel like the butler-Stevens -in The Remains of the Day; having given a lifetime’s loyalty and allegiance to something/someone who turned out to be a bit crap.

305432 ▶▶ awildgoose, replying to Cheezilla, #1504 of 1806 🔗

Churchians are merely tools of the Anti-Christ?

305446 ▶▶▶ annie, replying to awildgoose, #1505 of 1806 🔗

That’s what they have become.

305445 ▶▶ annie, replying to Cheezilla, 6, #1506 of 1806 🔗

‘All congregations stopped when the people needed them most.’
Why? Because the churches are full of cowards who have forsaken God.
A worse betrayal than Judas’. Judas believed.

305412 Richym99, replying to Richym99, 5, #1507 of 1806 🔗

Possibly already picked up but worth highlighting the latest attempt by Drakeford at number manipulation on the back of today’s announcenent that Wales goes back into Lockdown on the 28th on the back of following the crystal ball of science where he foresees great advances of cases in our future.

Massive backlog of Covid results means 11,000 cases need to be added


Am I being cynical or is it just a coincidence that the day that all but one NHS area reports 7 day drop in positive cases (Gwynedd rise from 51 to 52!) He announces that 11,000 cases haven’t been included because of routine maintenance.?

305423 ▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to Richym99, 20, #1508 of 1806 🔗

I’ll treat the next lockdown in Wales with exactly the same contempt as the last. I’ll ignore it…

305433 ▶▶▶ Richym99, replying to Nick Rose, 17, #1509 of 1806 🔗

Like the majority of us. The son of a good friend celebrates his 18th birthday just after the New.Year. I’ve offered to drive him and a couple of mates to an English pub to enjoy his first legal pint. I’ll even stump up for their obligatory meals. Drakeford isn’t going to ruin his big day if I have my way.

305424 ▶▶ leggy, replying to Richym99, 6, #1510 of 1806 🔗

How convenient. Lies, damn lies and covid stats.

305429 ▶▶ Banjones, replying to Richym99, 5, #1511 of 1806 🔗

But they’re not ”cases” anyway.

305416 MutzNutz, replying to MutzNutz, -18, #1512 of 1806 🔗
305421 ▶▶ John P, replying to MutzNutz, 31, #1513 of 1806 🔗

Fine, but I don’t have to have this jab. I’m not anti-vax. And I don’t care if it’s safe.

I still don’t want it. My body. My choice. Not yours. Not the governments. My choice.

305430 ▶▶▶ MutzNutz, replying to John P, -6, #1514 of 1806 🔗

I agree that mandating is not the way to go. I put this up to demonstrate the hypocrisy of the more extreme views on vaccines.

305570 ▶▶▶▶ Lisa (formerly) from Toronto, replying to MutzNutz, 1, #1515 of 1806 🔗

Drugs go through WAY more testing than vaccines and are actually tested against an inert placebo, unlike vaccines. Drug companies are not indemnified against lawsuits with respect to medicines, but are against vaccines. Apples and oranges.

305671 ▶▶▶▶▶ MutzNutz, replying to Lisa (formerly) from Toronto, -4, #1516 of 1806 🔗

Same old, same old. Yawn

305685 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ OKUK, replying to MutzNutz, 3, #1517 of 1806 🔗

Yes the truth can be boring. I never really enjoyed chemistry lessons.

305682 ▶▶▶▶ OKUK, replying to MutzNutz, 2, #1518 of 1806 🔗

You are an extreme pro vaxxer, not caring about any scientifically proven phenomena such as virus interference, vaccine damage, allergic reactions to vaccines and the huge rise in obesity and illness since vaccination frequency rose dramatically at the turn of the century. You care not a jot if children today are fat, depressed, autistic, asthmatic or allergic. As a vaccine fanatic you are just happy they have been vaccinated

305696 ▶▶▶▶▶ MutzNutz, replying to OKUK, -2, #1519 of 1806 🔗

In your view, do vaccines in general, have any benefit on a macro population level?

305482 ▶▶ JHuntz, replying to MutzNutz, 3, #1520 of 1806 🔗

How is it thouroughly sensible? It is complete garbage she clearly has a very low intellect.

“‘I think that people who don’t want to vaccinate should have the freedom to do so. If they think that “big pharma” is just trying to turn a profit or poison us all…they should be allowed to believe that,’ Meggy wrote.
‘But the caveat to that is this: Then they should NOT be allowed go to the doctor or the hospital when they get sick, looking for treatment.’ ”

Why is that the caveat? Does that not negate her initial point as I basically wouldn’t have a choice as I need access to the NHS.

“Meggy goes on to write that ‘Big Pharma’ – a colloquial term for the global pharmaceutical industry – is also responsible for a number of other medications and treatments including antibiotics, steroids, EpiPens, inhalers and chemotherapy.
‘Big pharma makes those antibiotics we are going to pump you full of when you are about to die from sepsis,’ she wrote.
‘The steroids and epi [sic] we might give you to save your life from your anaphylaxis? Yep, big pharma is behind that too.
‘Having a heart attack? Better break out your essential oils and get your affairs in order, because the only thing we have to offer you is medicine and procedures brought to you by the very same people who are responsible for those vaccines you insist are evil.’
She ends the post by acknowledging that vaccines, like everything, come with risks, but have been proven to be effective. ”

BIG pharma has protected against other illnesses? So what? So if a company cures any illness any further medication is without scrutiny?

‘We advocate for vaccinating your children and yourself because science has PROVEN its the most effective method of controlling the spread of disease and giving you and everyone around you the best chance of NOT DYING from something preventable.’ “

Again vaccines protect the vulnerable. Once they have been vaccinated what is the issue?

305486 ▶▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to JHuntz, 7, #1521 of 1806 🔗

I agree, how in the hell does not trusting a vaccine mean that you should be held to be against any other drugs also. Its a false dichotomy, a straw man argument. Trying to push everyone into the anti vax box.

The question is do you want to take vaccine? Possible answers are Yes/No.

305574 ▶▶▶▶ Chris John, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 2, #1522 of 1806 🔗

Exactly! I’m happy to swap my ‘cure/‘vaccine’ for a kilo of Colombian toot and a weapon to smite all politicians

305513 ▶▶▶ Stringfellow Hawke, replying to JHuntz, 4, #1523 of 1806 🔗

the most effective method of controlling the spread of disease”. That’s interesting.. presumably the United Nations are wrong, and spreading ‘conspiracy theories?’ 🙂

305584 ▶▶▶ Lisa (formerly) from Toronto, replying to JHuntz, 3, #1524 of 1806 🔗

Smokers, drinkers and obese people shouldn’t be allowed treatment either based on that logic. Everyone knows if you lead an unhealthy lifestyle you are prone to life-shortening illness and disease, thereby clogging up the medical system. That’s a very slippery slope she’s venturing down! The medications she refers to have undergone MUCH more testing than any vaccine — particularly these new Frankenvaccines — are tested against an inert placebo (unlike vaccines), and the pharma companies are not indemnified against lawsuits as they are with vaccines.

305684 ▶▶▶▶ Dodderydude, replying to Lisa (formerly) from Toronto, #1525 of 1806 🔗

And let’s face it, a significant number of nurses in the UK are morbidly obese and I guarantee it’s not their genes. I’m amazed that the first vaccine guinea pig, Margaret Keenan, managed to get through the (always embarrassing) guard of honour formed by nurses, they were so fat.

305530 ▶▶ Ben, replying to MutzNutz, 6, #1526 of 1806 🔗

It’s been rushed, it’s experimental, it’s indemnified, it’s predicted to cause unpleasant side effects, I don’t need it. The second word is off

305590 ▶▶▶ JHuntz, replying to Ben, 2, #1527 of 1806 🔗

Indemnified by us. As if we’ve not wasted enough money we are liable for any consequences of the snake oil.

305587 ▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to MutzNutz, 3, #1528 of 1806 🔗


305673 ▶▶▶ MutzNutz, replying to Cheezilla, -1, #1529 of 1806 🔗

I’m a huge Barbra ‘S’ fan!
Thanks for the nosh

305434 John P, replying to John P, 1, #1530 of 1806 🔗

Just had a short and rather curt e-mail from a favorite uncle after venturing to confess to being a lockdown sceptic.

We still seem to be on terms, but rather than exhorting me to “stay safe” as he did in his prior e-mail he this time told me to “be safe”.

Well, it’s a step in the right direction, perhaps, but I sensed that I might have a very long way to go to convince him that the whole thing has been blown up out of all proportion. He was certainly not about to get into any discussion with me about it.

The government propaganda drive has been very successful and while we here may have a healthy or in some cases unhealthy scepticism, many people out there are by now heavily shielded against any suggestion that our governments might have got it wrong.

I am concerned that while here it is “good to talk” that too many here are placing too much emphasis on the likes of Schwab and not enough on Johnson.

That is not convincing me – an ardent sceptic – so you have zero hope of convincing any one of the sheeple if you persist with that nonsense! And I wonder if in some cases that is the intention.

305449 ▶▶ JHuntz, replying to John P, 6, #1531 of 1806 🔗

John discsussing Shwab and Bill et al is the last thing I discuss with people. I keep it UK centric and avoid any sort of conspiracy discussion. I think the majority of people on this forum are aligned with this tact.

However, that does not mean that this forum should not discuss conspiracies. For many on here it is inconcievable that the entire free world is comitting economic armaggedon along with a complete destricution of civil liberties without some sort of nefarious motive.

I personally can’t understand your intransigence to even consider other concepts. Why is it so diffcult to accept that your government may be completely corrupted and whilst we all agree Johnson is a scumbag he is not the only one pulling the strings?

305459 ▶▶▶ ShropshireLass, replying to JHuntz, 6, #1532 of 1806 🔗

JHuntz But it isn’t a conspiracy theory though is it? The WEF and Schwab are real and their plans published, and Gates has not hidden the fact that his foundation is a key funder of their annual conferences – to which most governments send senior advisors each year. It clearly says on our government’s website that the UK government has formed a partnership with the WEF.

305465 ▶▶▶▶ JHuntz, replying to ShropshireLass, 3, #1533 of 1806 🔗

I don’t disagree but the general public will view this point of view as a conspiracy theory.

305476 ▶▶▶▶▶ Seansaighdeoir, replying to JHuntz, 2, #1534 of 1806 🔗

The reality is that for most of the people that is as far as it will go. If the hope is groundswill of public opinion to overturn all this sadly that would have happened about 6 months ago.

Now for most they will pay whatever price to get back to ‘normal’ whatever form that takes.

305567 ▶▶▶▶▶ Hieronimusb, replying to JHuntz, 3, #1535 of 1806 🔗

So the general public should now define the views we hold? Bless them, but count me out!

305582 ▶▶▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to JHuntz, 2, #1536 of 1806 🔗

Beware. Arguing semantics just puts red herrings in our midst.

305498 ▶▶▶▶ leggy, replying to ShropshireLass, 5, #1537 of 1806 🔗

Exactly. It’s not a conspiracy theory if they tell you what they’re doing!

305672 ▶▶▶▶ OKUK, replying to ShropshireLass, 1, #1538 of 1806 🔗

I can never make my mind up about Schwab and the WEF. Sometimes I feel like he’s running a Ponzi scheme. The way he’s used nepotism to favour family members in the organisation suggests he thinks more about Swiss francs than social justice. All his thoughts are retreads of other people’s ideas.

On the other hand he looks as ethical and well intentioned as GSoros and the WEF Great Reset is probably the worst set of policy proposals since Mao’s Great Leap Forward. In fact I’m beginning to wonder now if there isn’t some sort of Chinese joke hidden in there.

305659 ▶▶▶ OKUK, replying to JHuntz, 2, #1539 of 1806 🔗

I’m coming round more to the view that it is a CCP plot. China is such a closed society,for all we know they may have been using Ivermectin to suppress it within their society while getting WHO to rubbish that cure. Who can say with certainty it was a natural mutation, it was deliberately released or there was an accidental release from the Wuhan lab?

China’s baleful influence over WHO and political/academic infiltration in the US and European countries is well established.

If you factor in their desperation to get rid of Trump, it begins to make a kind of sense.

It will be interesting to see if any evidence emerges of Chinese attempts to infiltrate the world of epidemiology, which could help explain some of the “monster” modelling. There is plenty of evidence of PLA agents infiltrating bio labs in the west – one was even caught illegally exporting a pathogen to China. Why would they not?

305677 ▶▶▶▶ Dodderydude, replying to OKUK, #1540 of 1806 🔗

You might be interested in this video (it looks like it’s blocked but there is a prompt to proceed) which features Atlanta Attorney Michael Senger explaining his theory that the evidence points to China being at the heart of ‘the pandemic’.


305454 ▶▶ ShropshireLass, replying to John P, 4, #1541 of 1806 🔗

John P – But Johnson has signed up to Schwab’s Great Reset plan – and Schwab’s WEF has the resources to carry out the plan. Johnson did not asked the British public if we wanted to go into partnership with the WEF, nor if we fully support a ‘Fourth Revolution. I have not heard that either of the Houses of Parliament have debated the issue either, have you? Since the WEF and through it Schwab will have all the controlling interests surely we should be placing more emphasis on them rather than BJ?

305479 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to John P, 3, #1542 of 1806 🔗

Good news John, always nice to hear of a win.

305484 ▶▶ matt, replying to John P, 2, #1543 of 1806 🔗

John, the camp is divided and many of us are on your side. Stick with the fundamentals as you see them.

305519 ▶▶ PoshPanic, replying to John P, 4, #1544 of 1806 🔗

I hear what you’re saying, but …you’re officially a conspiracy theorist,as is everyone posting here. You disagree with the establishment line. You are therefore, by decree of the digital platform guardians, a conspiracy theorist. That’s what healthy scepticism in 2020 is now called.
Re your uncle, maybe speak to him in person and maybe he’ll come round?

305577 ▶▶ Hieronimusb, replying to John P, 6, #1545 of 1806 🔗

Ermm, would you care to explain why Johnson, Biden etc are using the exact same terminology as Schwab? ‘Build back better’ being a prime example. Granted, we must fight our own Govt, to the extent that we still have one in any meaningful sense, and not be distracted from that focus; but no matter which way you look at it Covid19 is a globalist’s wet dream and is visibly being used to cement some of their agendas far beyond public health. Increased and more effective surveillance for starters. If it walks like a duck, quacks like a duck, it’s probably not a canard: Mike Yeadon’s ‘convergent opportunism’ is a non-contentious way of putting it. The lengthy and egregious mismanagement of this so-called pandemic, coupled with the inevitable consequences, is quite enough evidence that this is no simple public policy mistake.

305619 ▶▶ Stephanos, replying to John P, #1546 of 1806 🔗

A very minor point but could you (and others) PLEASE spell ‘favourite’ correctly?
Ta ever so.

305625 ▶▶ TimeIsNow, replying to John P, #1547 of 1806 🔗

I’m inclined to agree John. I’m taking a local approach. MP, Council, leafleting. Even if there is some/a lot of supra-national coordination, what could we do about it? What could even the govt do about it if fifty countries are signed up? The evidence needed to expose that would be massive. A high-level whistler blower,