Last updated2020-12-17T12:23:36



305810 NorthumbrianNomad, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, 10, #1 of 1899 🔗

First, but not foremost.

305816 ▶▶ Judy Watson, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, 6, #2 of 1899 🔗

Well done. You bat me to it – not hard considering I am nursing a hangover from hell. Where are the bacon butties when you need ’em!!!

305819 ▶▶▶ Nigel Sherratt, replying to Judy Watson, 4, #3 of 1899 🔗

Bat me to it’, excellent!

307129 ▶▶▶▶ Sir Patrick Vaccine, replying to Nigel Sherratt, 1, #4 of 1899 🔗


Candace Owens gives her two cents on current affairs with you know what…

Yes … a previous vaccine made her ill

305963 ▶▶▶ OKUK, replying to Judy Watson, 2, #5 of 1899 🔗

… carrying a mutant strain. Maybe I won’t have the bat soup after all.

307066 ▶▶▶▶ ColoradoGirl, replying to OKUK, #6 of 1899 🔗

Who ate the bat?

306294 ▶▶▶ Steve Jones, replying to Judy Watson, #7 of 1899 🔗

I know how you feel

306688 ▶▶▶ richard riewer, replying to Judy Watson, #8 of 1899 🔗

Jeeves’s Hair of the Dog might cure your hangover.

305907 ▶▶ PatrickF, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, #9 of 1899 🔗


305961 ▶▶ OKUK, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, #10 of 1899 🔗

Nomad dash for the line?

306130 ▶▶ Ned of the Hills, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, #11 of 1899 🔗

Don’t put thee sen down sen down lad.

306330 ▶▶▶ NorthumbrianNomad, replying to Ned of the Hills, #12 of 1899 🔗

Why break the habit of a lifetime?

305811 RyanM, replying to RyanM, 55, #13 of 1899 🔗

Tom Cruise, who doesn’t believe that postpartum depression exists, and who doesn’t think doctors should prescribe medication at all….

Nonetheless believes that… Oh, wait, of course he doesn’t. He just needs people to comply with the Governor’s nonsense rules because hollywood stars like himself have thus far been exempted from complete shutdowns.

305823 ▶▶ karenovirus, replying to RyanM, 4, #14 of 1899 🔗

There were specific warnings that westing masks like that by the untrained was itself dangerous.

305832 ▶▶▶ Nigel Sherratt, replying to karenovirus, 19, #15 of 1899 🔗

Has valves too concentrating his foul shouty miasma in two streams directed at his victims. Bad plan to piss off the crew I would have thought especially when you do your own stunts.

305887 ▶▶▶▶ Winston Smith, replying to Nigel Sherratt, 2, #16 of 1899 🔗

Does he really do his own stunts?

305908 ▶▶▶▶▶ PatrickF, replying to Winston Smith, 9, #17 of 1899 🔗

Yes, he really is a stunt.

305946 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Chris John, replying to PatrickF, 7, #18 of 1899 🔗

cunning in his stunts

305937 ▶▶ Ben Shirley, replying to RyanM, 6, #19 of 1899 🔗
306096 ▶▶▶ Crystal Decanter, replying to Ben Shirley, 1, #20 of 1899 🔗

defo a homeowner
South Park nailed it

306000 ▶▶ IanE, replying to RyanM, 4, #21 of 1899 🔗

Hormonal issues no doubt with the aging ‘actor’!

306029 ▶▶ Mike, replying to RyanM, 20, #22 of 1899 🔗

In fairness to Cruise, he didn’t claim at any point in his rant that anything to do with lockdowns or masks or social distancing actually makes sense. It’s clear that his concern is 100% about jobs, the economy, people’s livelihoods not just for himself and his own crew but all other film crews too.

I was ready to roll my eyes when I read the headline but when I read the actual content of what I said, I found myself in agreement with him.
Cruise probably knows standing less than 2m apart isn’t dangerous in a medical sense, but he’s acutely aware it’s dangerous in a political sense and is correctly reminding the staff that they could end up giving politicians an excuse to wreck that part of the economy too, for everyone.

306257 ▶▶▶ Miss Owl, replying to Mike, 12, #23 of 1899 🔗

You don’t really get more sceptical than me and my old man, but I d on’t often come on here any more, because it’s generally the same old sh1t every single day, and mostly drivel at that now.

It’s easy to disparage Cruise; his weird religion and consequent strange beliefs. To be fair, however, Cruise never mentions them; it’s always the interviewers and the commentariat.

I wonder just how many jobs Cruise is and has been responsible for over the years. Probably many thousands. And you don’t get much more bedwetty than the film industry: everything’s run by the insurers. Cruise is doing what he can to keep the show on the road, and not just his show; as he says, the eyes of the entire industry are on them.

We don’t know what his beliefs about c-19 are. Not much, given his choice of mask, I would hazard.

Still, it’s given me an idea for taking my mind off this cr4p for the next few nights. I shall go and watch all the MI films, in order.

306844 ▶▶▶▶ Digital Nomad, replying to Miss Owl, 5, #24 of 1899 🔗

Agree on both points. On the former,this website is well past its sell-by date and devoid of any fresh ideas or info. Most sensible people are ignoring the lockdown and have moved on to discussing the dangers of the EXPERIMENTAL vaccine. On the latter, Cruise remains the foremost entertainer of his generation. Sticking to what he’s good at and keeping his views, political, religious or otherwise, to himself. His films always pack out cinemas worldwide and I for one do not begrudge him a penny of his multi-millions.

307552 ▶▶▶▶▶ annie, replying to Digital Nomad, 1, #25 of 1899 🔗

Bye bye, both. We have duly noted the contrast between your original, inspirational, life-enhancing posts and those of everybody else.

307721 ▶▶▶▶ RyanM, replying to Miss Owl, 1, #26 of 1899 🔗

Why are his jobs more important than the thousands of others that Newsome has single-handedly driven out of existence? Because Hollywood is big-money Democrat? Movies are somehow “essential?”

Because it’s all a farce. No business is non-essential. That’s not how the economy works. But while democrat would-be dictators are exercising arbitrary powers to destroy countless lives, there will always be favors for their friends.

308098 ▶▶▶▶▶ Miss Owl, replying to RyanM, #27 of 1899 🔗

‘His’ jobs aren’t ‘more’ important’. All jobs are important. But he’s responsible for those jobs related to his production. It’s his production company that’s responsible. And he was quite clear: the success or otherwise of his production will inform whether Hollywood will go ahead with many other projects during these stupid times.

And I assume that many of the jobs on Cruise’s production are held by British people, as he’s filming here.

306317 ▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Mike, 3, #28 of 1899 🔗

That was how I read it – though that ridiculous mask doesn’t encourage his being taken seriously.

306048 ▶▶ Two-Six, replying to RyanM, 2, #29 of 1899 🔗

or was that that other Holy Wood Short Arse

306310 ▶▶ Ben, replying to RyanM, 3, #30 of 1899 🔗

Tom Cruise with his glow white teeth, who looks like a plastic Ken doll that’s been left too close to the fire

306540 ▶▶ NorthumbrianNomad, replying to RyanM, 2, #31 of 1899 🔗

One of the key symptoms of the cultural destruction is that only rubbish films are now allowed to film.

305812 D. D. Freund, replying to D. D. Freund, 24, #32 of 1899 🔗

Worth noticing that the abominable Mr. Cruise is wearing what my son and I have labeled a ‘gashole’ mask. We apply that name to the wearers therof as well, who invariably tell you that they wear them to protect others.

305813 ▶▶ Hugh, replying to D. D. Freund, 13, #33 of 1899 🔗

Got rather a lot of gasholes, them things. Aren’t those snotrags (still my preferred moniker) rather unhygienic?

So have we got our rights back then? I’ve not seen the news today, been breaking the rules this evening (probably). We had some people round in (what had been) a tier three area, whatever they are, no face coverings or anything. It went on rather late. I’ve given up trying to follow the whole farce. Did any area actually move to a lower tier, or even out of tiers altogether, or have the mutants put the frighteners on the authorities?

305852 ▶▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Hugh, 1, #34 of 1899 🔗

To be announced later today as I understand. Probably either on the Today Programme or Jeremy Vines show.

305968 ▶▶▶ OKUK, replying to Hugh, 7, #35 of 1899 🔗

I prefer to use the correct technical descriptor (“filthy face rag”) though “pathogen-pooling device” is also acceptable.

305815 ▶▶ Nigel Sherratt, replying to D. D. Freund, 3, #36 of 1899 🔗

Chiflu is gashole.

306084 ▶▶ Muzz Off, replying to D. D. Freund, 4, #37 of 1899 🔗

In the limited circumstances where I’ve had to wear a mask (e.g. on planes) I use one of those. Though admittedly not one quite as intense-looking as that! But only because you can remove bits from the ‘filter’ and essentially make yourself a hidden hole for easy breathing.

305814 Allen, replying to Allen, 26, #38 of 1899 🔗

Covid-19 is a religion.

They take it on faith, rather than direct experience. (TV & News)
They listen to preachers of its gospel (Scientists & Politicians)
They wear garments to signal their belief. (Masks)
They perform rituals to signal their belief. (Social distancing)

The moment of the virus is over- that siren song is gone- now it is about total control. The mask is the symbol of obedience and acceptance of your subservience to your master.

Some food for thought on masks:

Facemasks and SARS-CoV-2 case fatality rate

Effect of mask mandates

The mask mandates have increased the risk of dying by 3.4 in Germany and by ~11 in Kansas counties with mask mandates.

The explanation for this is probably that virions that are breezed or coughed out in droplets are stopped in the facemask tissue, and after (quick [8]) evaporation of the droplets, pure virions are reinhaled from a very short distance when breathing in. For further reference, I refer to this as the ‘foegen effect’ as I could not find this effect described earlier.

By the ‘foegen effect’ the virions are not only spreading to other areas (like the olfactory nerve, causing loss of smell) but also (because of their smaller size) deeper into the respiratory tract [also 8]. They bypass the bronchia and are inhaled deep into the alveoli, where they cause a pneumonia instead of a bronchitis, which would rather be typical for a virus infection. They also bypass the wall of multilayer squamous epithelium that they cannot pass in vitro [9] and most likely also cannot pass in vivo. So the only propable way to enter the blood vessels for the virions is through the alveoli.

And here:

Effects of surgical and FFP2/N95 face masks on cardiopulmonary exercise capacity
Ventilation, cardiopulmonary exercise capacity and comfort are reduced by surgical masks and highly impaired by FFP2/N95 face masks in healthy individuals. These data are important for recommendations on wearing face masks at work or during physical exercise.


305817 ▶▶ Nigel Sherratt, replying to Allen, 16, #39 of 1899 🔗

Mask mandate also coincided with very unusual summer inflection (up) in fatal C-19 infections in UK.

306117 ▶▶▶ Voz 0db, replying to Nigel Sherratt, 15, #40 of 1899 🔗

C’mon… masks work wonderfully!

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306427 ▶▶▶▶ MiriamW-sometimes-AlanG, replying to Voz 0db, 3, #41 of 1899 🔗

Excellent! Thank you. MW and AG

306495 ▶▶▶▶ Ben, replying to Voz 0db, 3, #42 of 1899 🔗

All these graphs have upward trajectories – maybe we need the masks after all (sarcasm)

306685 ▶▶▶▶ DavidC, replying to Voz 0db, 2, #43 of 1899 🔗

Fantastic gif!


305824 ▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Allen, 19, #44 of 1899 🔗

As Annie would remind you the cult of Covid also demands Anointing by Sanitizer at every opportunity.

305837 ▶▶▶ annie, replying to karenovirus, 30, #45 of 1899 🔗

The Holy Gunk does not, of course, kill viruses.It does, however, kill weaker bacteria, leaving the stronger bacteria to multiply with vertiginous rapidity and mutate with even more rapidity.Help yourself to superbugs.

305840 ▶▶▶▶ karenovirus, replying to annie, 15, #46 of 1899 🔗

My office proudly exhibits a large bottle Anti Bacterial gunk even though I pointed out that phoney corony is a virus and not a bacteria.
I rarely visit the office.

305928 ▶▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to annie, 24, #47 of 1899 🔗

And the Holy Gunk also causes damage to the skin.

Had a colleague who was whining that the gunk was damaging her skin and nails. To which I replied: “Stop sanitising and use soap and water!”

It’s not rocket science.

306007 ▶▶▶▶▶ Spikedee1, replying to Bart Simpson, 18, #48 of 1899 🔗

I have a technique called faking it, I press the handle on the holy gunk, but then move my shoulder down so it looks like I am pressing the plunger lower then rub my dry hands together. Forgive me father for I have sinned…..

306082 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to Spikedee1, 9, #49 of 1899 🔗

I’ve done that too then rub my hands ostentatiously.

306211 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Edward, replying to Spikedee1, 4, #50 of 1899 🔗

Watch out for the sneaky sanitisers which don’t have a plunger but detect your hand moving underneath and automatically squirt.

306713 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ richard riewer, replying to Edward, 1, #51 of 1899 🔗

That one was my favourite. It made a wheezy sort of sound.

306222 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Tarfu, replying to Spikedee1, 4, #52 of 1899 🔗

Those handles must be laden with that deadly virus. Best avoided

306709 ▶▶▶▶ richard riewer, replying to annie, 4, #53 of 1899 🔗

Maybe the Holy Gunk was killing bacteria that was trying to kill the virus? These people are not medical experts, they are charlatans.

306704 ▶▶▶ richard riewer, replying to karenovirus, 3, #54 of 1899 🔗

Covid-19 Holy Water.

306112 ▶▶ Voz 0db, replying to Allen, 7, #55 of 1899 🔗

The COVID-19 Bible also includes that “You must believe in the existence of a new virus, even without evidence of that”!

“The moment of the virus is over”,

so this one is also a ritual of the Cult!
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306715 ▶▶▶ richard riewer, replying to Voz 0db, 3, #56 of 1899 🔗

The Covid Thought Police.

306456 ▶▶ Silke David, replying to Allen, 6, #57 of 1899 🔗

Wonderful. Germany has just started giving away FFP2/N95 masks for people with underlying health conditions.
At the same time the politicians moan that too many are dying.

And ICUs are overwhelmed due to a lack of beds (cost cutting over the last few years) and staff shortage (cost cutting, stress and stupid rules).
Do they really think we still believe it is to protect and save lives?

306919 ▶▶▶ Voz 0db, replying to Silke David, 1, #58 of 1899 🔗

Define “we”…

305818 Allen, replying to Allen, 83, #59 of 1899 🔗

Look let’s cut to the chase here. Thousands of elderly people were murdered by State policies that were implemented as part of the government’s response to the Covid hysteria that those government bodies created.

There needs to be full scale investigations launched and wholesale prosecutions.

Check country after country and what you see is that the average age of those who died from this virus is around 80 years old. That tells you right away there never has been a pandemic. The vast majority of those elderly were nursing home/care center patients. The figures there are around 55-60% of the total death count- likely higher as the figures have been fudged by counting certain deaths as hospital deaths if they came from nursing homes but died in the hospital.

And why so many died from nursing homes in such a short period of time? Because of those policy changes not due to some unique, other-worldly “killer virus.” We would have the same concentrated death ratio from nursing homes nearly every season if the policies put in place this year were implemented permanently.

All of this is resulting in what we are now seeing as rather low death counts in country after country over the last several months. This is because the “low hanging” fruit has been plucked. If this truly were a “global pandemic” we would still be seeing residual death totals- we are not. In a global pandemic death does not simply put the brakes on (we have in fact gone in reverse) it continues forward for some time even as it abates.

305833 ▶▶ Hugh, replying to Allen, 18, #60 of 1899 🔗

It’d better not be like Hillsborough, with a slap on the wrist for one or two people after thirty years.

305836 ▶▶▶ Nigel Sherratt, replying to Hugh, 9, #61 of 1899 🔗

Incarceration of the well and vaccines are the plan to avoid even a political slap on the wrist as TY has pointed out. Any amount of collateral damage is justified for that end.

305838 ▶▶▶ annie, replying to Hugh, 22, #62 of 1899 🔗

At least the seekers after justice didn’t give up, even after thirty years. We mustn’t either. Innocent blood calls for vengeance.

305843 ▶▶▶▶ Hugh, replying to annie, 10, #63 of 1899 🔗

My uptick thing is counting double again!

Well they’ve declared war on the world this time, not just Liverpool supporters. Let’s see what we can do!

306436 ▶▶▶▶▶ MiriamW-sometimes-AlanG, replying to Hugh, 3, #64 of 1899 🔗

It’s not counting double. It just means you clicked on it at the same time as other people. I just up-ticked Annie and it went from 3 – 6. Magic! MW

306884 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ annie, replying to MiriamW-sometimes-AlanG, 2, #65 of 1899 🔗

It isn’t chance, it’s Annie’s Great Resit and nothing to do with the upticks.

306611 ▶▶▶ Steve, replying to Hugh, 1, #66 of 1899 🔗

“Lessons have been learned.”

306995 ▶▶▶ Rowan, replying to Hugh, 8, #67 of 1899 🔗

The government treachery, that has been seen all the way through the fake Covid pandemic, is far far worse than what happened at Hillsborough, bad as that was.

With the Covid fiasco we are talking about the premeditated and cold blooded murder of around 40,000 old folks in “care” and “nursing” homes. Only apologists for Johnson and his government of cronies would say any differently.

Not only murder, but treason as it appears, more than “highly likely” that the UK government has been working throughout to further the aims of an external agenda, which is aimed at impoverishing, weakening and in time eliminating great swathes of the British population.

The latest act of criminality, is the unleashing of the hardly tested, liability free Pfizer vaccine on a bewildered and largely uninformed public. This vaccine already has several important caveats viz, it not known whether it reduces infection transmission, it should not be used by pregnant women or those intending to become pregnant, and it may cause permanent female infertility. Now we are told it is not to be administered to people with known allergies.

Only time will tell, how many more “side effects” will come to light and how many deaths will be caused as a direct result of the rushed Pfizer vaccine and the imprudent decision by government to use it.

305846 ▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Allen, 22, #68 of 1899 🔗

I’m beginning to give more thought to how much of the nonsense is coming from the old eugenics crowd, last known as Transhumanism* (though this is denied on Wiki).

Transhumanism = Beyond Human with the aid of technology.

There are two strains
1. Positive. Applying technology to improve the human body (DNA altering vaccines?), exoskeletons, brain implants and the like.
Also selective breeding as practised by the nazis who encouraged blond haired blue eyed types to procreate with abandon giving little attention to age or partner status.
The parentless offspring became the property of the state to be raised as good little nazis.

2. Negative. Weeding out of the physically or mentally ‘degenerate’ by selective use of harmful medication or the removal of healthcare altogether. This could be achieved by a cull of the vulnerable elderly either by a novel disease or an untested vaccine.
Closing down the NHS would cause the deaths of numerous people with inherited conditions thus leading to a ‘healthier’ breeding stock.

Surely our leaders are not that evil ?

*not to be confused with Transhumance which is something entirely different.

305854 ▶▶▶ annie, replying to karenovirus, 12, #69 of 1899 🔗

Wales doesn’t do transhumanism. It does do subhumanism.

307028 ▶▶▶▶ Rowan, replying to annie, 1, #70 of 1899 🔗

We’ve spent several weeks in Wales every year for the ten years or so. We won’t be going again.

305858 ▶▶▶ kh1485, replying to karenovirus, 61, #71 of 1899 🔗

The arrogance of the medical establishment is, and has for me for many years been, deeply troubling. The ‘we know best’ mantra has got to be resisted and questioned with everything we have.

How many times have we read stories in the media, especially of women going through labour who have known there to be a problem (because their own bodies were telling them so) only for those concerns to be dismissed and overriden by an all-knowing, omnipotent – in their eyes at least – healthcare professional, with the results being tragic and fatal. And, in my own case, I have known medical intervention (especially the egregious and fatal mass prescribing of powerful drugs) and myriad misdiagnosis of disease to be wrong. But we are not trusted by the medical ‘gods’ to know what our bodies are telling us. And this attempt to strip us of our bodily autonomy is chilling in the extreme.

From now on, anyone who bangs on about the vaccine being the ‘answer’ and insisting we all subject ourselves to it, will be recommended by me to watch One Flew over the Cuckoo’s Nest. If they want to know what subjecting humans to medical interventions against their will looks like, this is it. And some of us have had this in our own lives and don’t want it again.

305870 ▶▶▶▶ stefarm, replying to kh1485, 31, #72 of 1899 🔗

As I’ve said before, people have been brainwashed into watching the brave soldiers of the NHS on TV programmes such as 24 hours in A&E, docs in a helicopter, docs in a boat, paramedics in an ambulance. Same goes for fly on the wall police and border force programmes.

We have been slowly indoctrinated into believing they are super human, are there to save us and they know best and not to question.

It has been an easy transition into standing outside clapping for them and hanging on their every word.

305879 ▶▶▶▶▶ kh1485, replying to stefarm, 23, #73 of 1899 🔗

They have. Re. these sorts of programmes, if the NHS is so bloody busy, how the hell do they have the time to do all these damned fly on the wall documentaries.

And I have noticed also that there is this ‘competitive illness’ type thing going on. As though it’s a badge of honour to be ill and be on tons of pills. I just don’t get it.

305889 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Fiona Walker, replying to kh1485, 31, #74 of 1899 🔗

The level of brainwashing is frightening. People twittering on various forums about pre-Covid TV shows and how “scary” everything is (you know, people, interacting, being close and a bit grubby etc) and how could we ever have accepted that as “normal”? I could weep.

306053 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Borisbullshit, replying to Fiona Walker, 8, #75 of 1899 🔗

These people really do want a permanent ‘new normal’. Maybe we should create a country just for them…anyone can go there who wants to live like that. Sounds like it will be a busy place.

306089 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to Borisbullshit, 3, #76 of 1899 🔗

If only Australia was still uninhabited……

Or maybe we can send them to Mars.

306386 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Girl down Under, replying to Bart Simpson, 9, #77 of 1899 🔗

Come down any time you like Bart, too late we are inhabited. (I’ve been out bush!) Take you out on the Manly ferry, as I did today, absolutely marvellous. City of Sydney heaving. Lobsters cheap, cheap, as China doesn’t want them any more. Wine aplenty, etc. etc. Slight hiccup at northern end of northern beaches, everyone is hysterical, carrying on about locking us down, (17 cases and Gladys will be clawing her face off). I’m going to wander down the beach and check out the seal that has been swimming in.

306503 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ endthisinsanitynow, replying to Girl down Under, 1, #78 of 1899 🔗

I have an Aussie passport too… (once I trapse up to London to lodge it at the High Commission which is going to be a nasty ordeal in Jan). Don’t like the look of what’s happening in Vic mind, although WA is where I lived for 7 odd years and which I will gravitate back to once this charade is over. Will it ever be over?

307050 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Rowan, replying to endthisinsanitynow, 4, #79 of 1899 🔗

Will it ever be over?

Not if they can possibly help it.

307071 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Rowan, replying to Bart Simpson, 1, #80 of 1899 🔗

Australia has been inhabited for a very long time.

306077 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ PastImperfect, replying to Fiona Walker, 1, #81 of 1899 🔗

Remember, the 77th brigade will be leading the attacks.

307054 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Rowan, replying to PastImperfect, 2, #82 of 1899 🔗

Via facebook and twitter, what brave boys and girls.

306023 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ rose, replying to kh1485, 21, #83 of 1899 🔗

I have only been to see a doctor three times in my adult life (I am 62) and these visits were a waste of time. I want to die of natural causes not ‘the cure’.

306162 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Dodderydude, replying to rose, 29, #84 of 1899 🔗

I’m like you, rose. I’m 63 and can count on one hand the number of times I’ve been to a GP since childhood. One reason was that my parents didn’t believe in unnecessarily bothering doctors so we were brought up with the philosophy that you only went to a doctor if you were dying …and even then you had to think about it! Yes, we had ailments and accidents but we got over them without professional intervention.

My parents were stoic people. The only times that they genuinely needed serious medical help led to death through medical negligence (failure to diagnose) for my father. And, in the case of my mother, negligent hospital treatment led to the last five years of her life being spent bedbound and suffering from hospital acquired morphine-induced dementia. So I don’t have any faith in the medical profession.

Strangely, though, an acquaintance of mine goes to his GP every fortnight (I’m not exaggerating) for all sorts of minor issues, always different and nothing that a day or two’s rest wouldn’t resolve. He was encouraged to do this by his mother since childhood. He has no serious ailments. But he is treated like royalty and constantly given tablets or referred to hospitals for ‘tests’ – presumably people like him are the bread and butter of the health service and people like us, who never go unless absolutely necessary, seem to be treated with scorn and disdain. I’ve never understood that, but it probably explains why the NHS is ‘overwhelmed’; it’s of their own making by encouraging malingerers and hypochondriacs.

306544 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ fiery, replying to Dodderydude, 7, #85 of 1899 🔗

Absolutely agree with this. I’m a bit younger but have also hardly ever seen my GP and see doctors as something to be avoided. I’ve also rejected any if the so called health screening tests and particularly resent the ones where you are automatically opted in. The an appointment has been made for you letter makes me seethe. I’m sure if I’d agreed to any of these tests something. would have been flagged up leading to more tests and unnecessary treatment for something that wouldn’t have ever been a problem.
I have friends who have every test going and they seem to relish being perpetual patients.

307573 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ richard riewer, replying to Dodderydude, 2, #86 of 1899 🔗

Don’t volunteer for any medical product tests no matter how much money you are offered. I see posters everywhere in the metro and on the buses from pharmaceutical companies showing smiling actors virtue signalling that they have helped medical science to develop new life-saving drugs. Bullshit!

306286 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Ben, replying to rose, #87 of 1899 🔗

I don’t want to die of natural causes, I’d rather pick my time and drift off. But to live naturally until that point

306036 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Ken Gardner, replying to kh1485, 4, #88 of 1899 🔗

Or make all those TikTok videos….

305896 ▶▶▶▶▶ Biker, replying to stefarm, 29, #89 of 1899 🔗

I stay away from the NHS as much as possible. We’ve an old lady in my Village who knows things and helps with all sorts including child birth. I’ll trust her over some twat who works for the NHS.

305925 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Biker, 18, #90 of 1899 🔗

My mum trained as a nurse in London during WW2 and was overjoyed to get nationalised but by the time she took early retirement had become entirely disillusioned.

306735 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ richard riewer, replying to Biker, #91 of 1899 🔗

Ask her how many births she has been involved in.

306073 ▶▶▶▶ PastImperfect, replying to kh1485, 7, #92 of 1899 🔗

Kate Sheramani, ‘natural nurse in a toxic world’ would seem to be of similar mind and has been pilloried on line, so she must he been doing something right.

307062 ▶▶▶▶▶ Rowan, replying to PastImperfect, #93 of 1899 🔗

Kate Sheramani, the thinking person’s person.

306088 ▶▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to kh1485, 15, #94 of 1899 🔗

Well said. They’re so arrogant and have now acquired the status of a State Religion that even the Royals have to kowtow to them. Had to admit that video of the Cambridges together with the nomenklatura enjoying a night out in the theatre and their kids getting gifts left a nasty taste in the mouth for me. Would have rather cleaners, bin men, delivery drivers and supermarket workers and their families were given this treat not the NHS.

306511 ▶▶▶▶ endthisinsanitynow, replying to kh1485, 2, #95 of 1899 🔗

Yep Jack Nic’s character in that film has been on my mind for a long time now all through this fiasco. I watched it when I was a teen and it left a nasty feeling inside then. I guess it made me buck against authority since I was a wee nipper, which is a healthy response to such state sanctioned intervention.

306909 ▶▶▶▶▶ kh1485, replying to endthisinsanitynow, 5, #96 of 1899 🔗

Me too. As I’ve mentioned here before, I have a t shirt which I wear at work which says Randle McMurphy on it. I am making a deadly serious point in that. And if you have witnessed someone you love having ‘treatment’ against their wishes, you would be kicking back against mandatory vaccination with everything you have. The trouble is, most view the NHS as some benign organisation – I don’t.

The film is disturbing but we seem to be heading in that direction if we don’t all resist what this wretched government are proposing.

307316 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Jonathan, replying to kh1485, 5, #97 of 1899 🔗

I saw One flew Over the Cuckoo’s Nest in 1975 when it came out, and still have it on DVD. My girlfriend was in hospital last January to be checked out for a bruised knee. She was in for a week all told, having picked up a bug the place. The arrogance, coldness and bureaucratic mindset of the staff in there has made me resolve to have as little as possible to do with the NHS in future. I’ve met plenty of Nurse Ratched types, and some arrogant pricks of young doctors, and very occasionally, a genuine healing personality.

305860 ▶▶▶ annie, replying to karenovirus, 37, #98 of 1899 🔗

It’s an ironical truth that NHS successes (and yes, there have been many in the past) have led to a huge proliferation of elderly and chronically ill people dependent on daily cocktails of drugs, and ‘living’ on and on to become mindless husks.
Most people would say that is better than the alternative. I really am not sure.
One thing is certain: culling all those expensively maintained, frail old people is really saving the government money, And they are being murdered by loneliness, neglect and despair for their own good , to keep them safe. Clever, that. Like Seamus Heaney’s poem about drowning kittens: isn’t it better for them now, the scraggy wee shits?

306059 ▶▶▶▶ Ken Gardner, replying to annie, 5, #99 of 1899 🔗

Mmm… well Annie, I am 72 and still healthy and active. Your post is very thought-provoking but also rather chilling…

306415 ▶▶▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Ken Gardner, 4, #100 of 1899 🔗

There’s life and there’s living.
Healthy and active is great. Alzheimers is pretty crappy from any perspective – and there’s a lot of it about.

306475 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ MiriamW-sometimes-AlanG, replying to Cheezilla, 15, #101 of 1899 🔗

I’m nearly 68 and still fit and active. I watched helplessly as my Mum went downhill from her mid 50s. She was overweight, drank too much, ate crap and became increasingly inactive. She quickly developed all the usual ‘middle-age’ ailments and consequently spent her last 20 years on a cocktail of drugs and finally developed vascular dementia. She had no life to speak of from her mid 70s until she eventually keeled over at 88. Frankly it was a relief. I wrote her eulogy and it was healing. Remembering my Mum as the lively, funny woman she had been restored her to me in a sense.

I don’t find Annie’s post chilling, Ken, just realistic. The growing fear of death in our society and the inevitable alienation from the realities of our own mortality have reached their culmination in the current hysteria. Now, no death from anything can be tolerated – how many times do people wail ‘people have DIED’ if you dare express the mildest scepticism? This dependence on drugs to delay death at all costs has induced the susceptibility of so many people to be brainwashed and will guarantee queues for the vaccine. (Also I agree with Annie’s analysis of the criminal culling of the elderly and frail.)

Come to think of it, this death-fear may help to explain the conundrum of the supposedly intelligent highly-educated population’s – plus the ‘left’s’ – tendency to Covi-hysteria. They tend to be worshippers at the NHS shrine and many people of this ilk we know have been only too willing to become medication-dependent e.g. so many of my contemporaries have unquestionably got themselves put on statins and blood-pressure medication rather than take responsibility for their own health. In my opinion they have rendered themselves ripe for the psyop. MW

306889 ▶▶▶▶▶ annie, replying to Ken Gardner, 6, #102 of 1899 🔗

That’s great.,I hope we will both be healthy and active at 102. But if you’ve been in the dementia wing of a care home, even a good one, you’ll know that there are fates worse than death.

307156 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ fiery, replying to annie, 2, #103 of 1899 🔗

The possibility of developing Alzheimer’s is the reason I’d refuse vaccines that would render my life a mere existence should I be unlucky enough to succumb to this dreadful illness. I really fear this desire to keep prolong life at all costs if treatment exists for something.

306449 ▶▶▶▶ Nessimmersion, replying to annie, 7, #104 of 1899 🔗

As long as we remember that it is modern medicine that has a achieved that, not the NHS on its own.
Indeed if you look at Scandinavian life expectancy, the NHS performs significantly worse, which isn’t a huge surprise.

306894 ▶▶▶▶▶ annie, replying to Nessimmersion, 7, #105 of 1899 🔗

Fair point. Life at the moment is pretty awful, but life before modern medicine was generally brutish and short.And if you remember dentistry even50 years ago … well, ok, lockdown took us back to that, but we have known better.

305914 ▶▶▶ PatrickF, replying to karenovirus, 4, #106 of 1899 🔗

I can hear Mutant Matt proposing the Covid final solution, already.

307575 ▶▶▶▶ richard riewer, replying to PatrickF, 2, #107 of 1899 🔗

I propose a final solution for Mutant Matt.

306058 ▶▶▶ dhpaul, replying to karenovirus, 5, #108 of 1899 🔗

Wasn’t HIV the first trial of this policy, I remember reading a long time ago some expert suggesting it was designed to “thin out the non white population and sexual deviants”. His words not mine I stress. If it ever was true, then I suggest it hasn’t worked as he expected. Why should any similar experiment ever work?

306149 ▶▶▶▶ Voz 0db, replying to dhpaul, 7, #109 of 1899 🔗

Yep… Going to quote myself to save time!

No novelty there… The Fraud & Scam “HTLV-III/LAV – GRID” (later rebranded “HIV”/AIDS only due to gay sensitivity issues) is a TRILLION DOLLARS INDUSTRY.

This current Fraud & Scam “SARS-CoV-2″/”COVID-19” will beat that old scheme by many TRILLIONS.

In the end the REALITY remains the same,
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MONEY IS GOD , and they will use all sort of fakery to have plenty of GOD in their wallets… No matter if we’re a religious zealot or a roadrunner seeking truth .

That XX century event was the first attempt to try to CONTROL the Herd via a “global pandemic”… Since THEY didn’t had the WWW and “smart”phones at the time the power of SPREADING FEAR AND PROPAGANDA was very little so the operation failed the goal of control, but was, and still is very successful in generating HUGE PROFITS… Trillions of profits.

Just imagine that each moron labelled “HIV+” has to ingest pills for the rest of his/her lifetime, and perform test, and go to appointments and so on!

OPERATION COVIDIUS, is a success in all fronts.

So in short, we’re fucked.

306296 ▶▶▶▶▶ Ben, replying to Voz 0db, 4, #110 of 1899 🔗


306312 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Voz 0db, replying to Ben, 1, #111 of 1899 🔗

Always… It provides very good lives and fortunes to many millions of scoundrels, so no wonder they follow the Orders of the Owners!

306299 ▶▶▶▶▶ Foxglove, replying to Voz 0db, 12, #112 of 1899 🔗

I remember being terrified by the horrific AIDS adverts, totally fell for it. Now when I am struggling to understand how people are falling for the covid propaganda I remember how gullible I once was. But 17 is an impressionable age and there was no counter narrative on social media.

306305 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Voz 0db, replying to Foxglove, 2, #113 of 1899 🔗

There was no social media… That’s one of the major factors for the failure of that fake viral pandemic.

306739 ▶▶▶▶▶ richard riewer, replying to Voz 0db, 2, #114 of 1899 🔗

When money talks, people die.

306292 ▶▶▶▶ Ben, replying to dhpaul, 1, #115 of 1899 🔗

Some people dispute HIV itself, describing events as Pharma opportunism. I have no opinion on such a can of worms

306314 ▶▶▶▶▶ Voz 0db, replying to Ben, 1, #116 of 1899 🔗

“HIV” is just a brand… But if today it’s already of no purpose to say the same about recent brand “SARS-CoV-2” forget “HIV”!

306420 ▶▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to dhpaul, #117 of 1899 🔗

We learn by our mistakes ……

306577 ▶▶▶▶▶ Voz 0db, replying to Cheezilla, 1, #118 of 1899 🔗

Clearly WE DO NOT!

We stopped using Guillotines…

306233 ▶▶▶ Graham3, replying to karenovirus, #119 of 1899 🔗

Samuel Wormald circa 1926?

306281 ▶▶▶ Ben, replying to karenovirus, 1, #120 of 1899 🔗

Transhumanism, as described in the Winter Oak article ‘The Great Fascist Reset’ seems too far fetched.

306582 ▶▶▶▶ Voz 0db, replying to Ben, 1, #121 of 1899 🔗

Transhumanism is being prepared by Transgenderism… Just relax and enjoy the shit show.

306392 ▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to karenovirus, 3, #122 of 1899 🔗

Schwab talks about transhumanism in his WEF speech.
Uncle Bill’s father was a eugenicist.

306744 ▶▶▶▶ richard riewer, replying to Cheezilla, 3, #123 of 1899 🔗

Schwab looks Transhuman.

306753 ▶▶▶▶▶ richard riewer, replying to richard riewer, 2, #124 of 1899 🔗

He is also closely resembles the Bugblatter Beast:
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307030 ▶▶▶ Binra, replying to karenovirus, 2, #125 of 1899 🔗

Eugenics didn’t go away, but uses name magic to front in other ways.
What do you think Bio Genetic Security (Control) entails?
Evil works through those who cling to the mask of virtue.
They are not evil, but fear and hate of evil gives power to the mask as for ‘protection’ this runs the protection racket.
If you get this it goes down to the roots of what we call consciousness.

The error is externalising fears – which then condition the mind that tries to fight, eradicate or deny and control them externally.

The thought we accept gives rise to the way we see our life, our world , each other. Likewise to above, the attempt to deny and suppress thoughts, gives them power over us.
Whatever we accept and live from as true, goes forth and multiplies.
In Orwellian terms a doublethink of conflicted thought – that Jesus calls a house divided – seeks to mask as a narrative unity that is self-contradictory and therefore self-destructive.

So as our own free willingness in our own timing, we can stop ‘breeding’ thoughts or ways of thinking that are self-destructive, and become more discerning of the word and thought that truly holds and reflect value. This mat invite or extend as a witness that you may at some level pick up on because it is no longer trying to demand you be whatever that particular groupthink implies. On the other hand this may make you more aware of a masking in groupthink that you didn’t know was in place – because it was your normal. But in time that will be the basis for the freedom to let it fall away as not you.

Evil is a derivative. If we hide truth for our mask of illusion, then evils will arise as our experience and can reinforce guilt, hate and vengeance, in fact the whole box of Pandora – which is a Pandemonium (place of all demons).

The key is not to react but to truly align from which to hold the conditions in which masking self-illusions are not given recognition as currency. hence Jesus would say ‘get thee behind me’ to friends who flattered him. the point being he chose not to let them take root by reaction.

Back to your thread, it is an irony that the Malthusian idea of improving the stock mutated into the mass poisoning of humanity at both psychic and physical levels.
Few are aware of the degradation and desecration of the Human Spirit – because the ‘normal’ is progressively ratcheting down, while the narrative re-tells ‘history’ as the support for the current narrative dictate. It’s clear that it is a dictate when one seeks to openly question its gatekeepers.

We either learn through this whole experience – as a civilisation or species, or we reset to the repetition of the same cycle. But while transhumanism is associated with machine intelligence processing, transcendence is the capacity to recognise a pattern from a new place so as to open a choice that was not available within the script. This dimension of growth is an expansion that has no real linear translation into the human drama – ie – it is out of range of mental-machine thinking (whether technologically enhanced or not).

305888 ▶▶ Bugle, replying to Allen, 2, #126 of 1899 🔗

Excellent post.

305958 ▶▶ Waldorf, replying to Allen, 10, #127 of 1899 🔗

In Greece, there was a sharp lockdown in the spring and practically nobody died. The right-wing government duly took credit. Then in the autumn deaths started to rise, coinciding with the normal colder and wetter weather, and another lockdown was declared. The cases and more importantly deaths look like they are starting to go down but this is after five weeks of nearly everything being closed down and only the police moving around freely in the small hours. My guess is the uptick is because the first lockdown meant no “low hanging fruit” were gathered but that just left more for the autumn. If, as I suspect, Covid is related to climate and the flu season, the fact that Greece is hot and sunny for about eight months of the year would explain a great deal.

306121 ▶▶ Voz 0db, replying to Allen, 4, #128 of 1899 🔗

There needs to be full scale investigations launched and wholesale prosecutions.

And who exactly is going to “investigate” that?!

306277 ▶▶ Ben, replying to Allen, 2, #129 of 1899 🔗

Same with the Liverpool Care Pathway

306897 ▶▶▶ annie, replying to Ben, #130 of 1899 🔗


306966 ▶▶ swedenborg, replying to Allen, 1, #131 of 1899 🔗

Sweden 1918 Spanish flu 99% of all deaths below 65
Sweden 2020 C-19 90% of all deaths over 70

305827 Cecil B, replying to Cecil B, 7, #132 of 1899 🔗

Did Tiny Tim die with or from covid? Or was his death covid related?

Did he ever have a PCR test? and if he did was it a false positive?

Was his death certificate forged by Mrs Shipman the care home manager?

Did the Crachits really have bat soup starter for Christmas lunch?

Was there a vegan option?

Suppose we will never know, as they burnt the poor sods body

Did he even die? Or was it all made up by the Chinese?

305916 ▶▶ PatrickF, replying to Cecil B, 3, #133 of 1899 🔗

He choked on a bah humbug.

305828 CivilianNotCovidian, 17, #134 of 1899 🔗

That Andrew Green article is SO brilliant and SO chilling, I have picked up the entire text and copied it to a document in case “they” manage to delete it. Brave man. Hero of our time. I keep saying, you can be pro or anti vaccines in general but please don’t be pro injecting unsuspecting vulnerable people with an experimental drug that could alter their genetic code! First they temporarily dehumanise people with mandatory masks, next they permanently dehumanise people with a genetically modifying drug. A chilling new poignancy has been given to my war cry… STAY HUMAN! (I said it to a particularly covidious member of staff in WH Smith’s yesterday… it felt good!)

305829 helen, replying to helen, 44, #135 of 1899 🔗

Cease and desist papers served on Christian Drosten

by Dr. Reiner Füllmich

Green Mango GmbH, represented by Nils Roth v. Prof Dr. Christian Drosten Dear Professor Drosten,

We hereby indicate that Green Mango GmbH, Bülowstrasse 56, 10783 Berlin, represented by the managing director, Mr. Nils Roth, has commissioned us to represent its interests on the basis of the enclosed power of attorney. Our client has suffered and continues to suffer significant harm as a result of the grossly disproportionate measures imposed to contain the COVID-19 pandemic without an evidence-based foundation.
You are personally responsible for this harm because, as one of the individuals who intervened significantly and decisively in the policy deliberations, you intentionally alleged, and continue to allege, false facts and – also intentionally – concealed, and continue to conceal, material facts. In the name of and on behalf of our client, we claim that you should rectify your erroneous contribution to policy advice in connection with the COVID 19 crisis and compensate our client for the damage already incurred.

{17 pages of argument}

Our client expressly reserves the right to assert claims that exceed this initially demanded amount.
In addition, we request that you correct the following statements to those politically responsible and to the public:
– Clarify that there is no reason to believe that SARS CoV-2 could cause an uncontrollable number of deaths and ICU patients! – Clarify that the case study in the New England Journal of Medicine of March 5, 2020, in which you were involved and which supposedly proves an asymptomatic infection risk, is based on a false data basis and therefore should have been retracted long ago!
– Clarify that a positive PCR test cannot detect active infection and is therefore not suitable to establish a COVID-19 diagnosis on its own! – Clarify that collective restrictions on freedom do not guarantee ir gendet anything to help contain the spread, but are proven to cause massive collateral damage!

We also call on you to refrain from your previous statements to the contrary in the future. Politicians must no longer be advised with scientifically inadequate information. And the public must no longer be confused with such information.

We therefore request that you also provide us with the following information by
to submit the declaration to cease and desist and the declaration of obligation enclosed with this letter.
Please note that with every day that you maintain your deliberately false risk assessment of COVID-19, you are only making matters worse – for countless people in this country, but also for yourself. For we will make this letter available to all colleagues who are willing to represent clients who have suffered harm as a result of the Corona measures. If you do not comply with our above request, a legal dispute will become unavoidable. In the course of this dispute, the whole truth about the lockdown will become the subject of a judicial hearing of evidence.
Please do not hesitate to contact us if you have any questions.
Yours sincerely

Dr. Reiner Fuellmich, LL.M.

Attorney at Law

Translated with http://www.DeepL.com/Translator (free version)


305864 ▶▶ annie, replying to helen, 15, #136 of 1899 🔗

The whole truth about the lockdown.
Savour that phrase.
Nuremberg looms.

305993 ▶▶ Burlington, replying to helen, 12, #137 of 1899 🔗

It would be nice to target individuals in the UK Government for their part in this Covid-19 farce. Prime candidates would be Wancock, Whitless & Unbalanced. Although I very much suspect any such action would be denied by the Courts, as Simon Dolan discovered.

306085 ▶▶▶ helen, replying to Burlington, 4, #138 of 1899 🔗


Evidence against the use of PCR tests to drive government directives
The legal case against the government will be based on the following facts. Increased PCR Testing was the main metric to justify further lockdowns throughout the UK
Coronavirus case numbers have consistently been based on PCR tests. Large increases in the number of tests carried out led to large increases in cases. This did not correlate with hospital admissions. Case increases were solely used to justify further lockdowns, whilst ignoring the actual real-time clinical and hospital data. Models based on PCR tests were immediately mathematically proven to be highly implausible and yet the lockdown measures remained in place. In addition, out-of-date death data was used to model future scenarios. When these models were proven to be highly inaccurate, lockdown measures remained in place.

More here…….


306441 ▶▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to helen, 1, #139 of 1899 🔗

That might explain this:

… the probability that a person who has a positive result (SARS-CoV-2 detected) is truly infected with SARS-CoV-2 decreases as positivity rate decreases, irrespective of the assay specificity. Therefore, healthcare providers are encouraged to take into consideration testing results along with clinical signs and symptoms, confirmed status of any contacts, etc.
Advice on action to be taken by users:

  1. Please read carefully the IFU in its entirety.
  2. Contact your local representative if there is any aspect of the IFU that is unclear to you.
  3. Check the IFU for each incoming consignment to detect any changes to the IFU.
  4. Consider any positive result (SARS-CoV-2 detected) or negative results (SARS-CoV-2 not detected) in combination with specimen type, clinical observations, patient history, and epidemiological information.
  5. Provide the Ct value in the report to the requesting healthcare provider.
306438 ▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Burlington, 3, #140 of 1899 🔗

Hopefully Fuellmich will establish a compelling precedence.

306011 ▶▶ AN other lockdown sceptic, replying to helen, 9, #141 of 1899 🔗

Reiner is a total Honey Badger! Brilliant stuff.

306044 ▶▶▶ TJN, replying to AN other lockdown sceptic, 5, #142 of 1899 🔗

Yes, he’s emerging as one of the true heroes of the Western World in all this.

Does any one know how he’s funding it?

306072 ▶▶▶▶ helen, replying to TJN, 3, #143 of 1899 🔗

via https://corona-ausschuss.de/dokumente/

Corona Ausschuss have received donations towards months of investigation work

Normal practice is that anyone joining class action pays a fee

306242 ▶▶▶▶▶ TJN, replying to helen, 4, #144 of 1899 🔗

Thanks. He seems like a man on a mission – we need more like him.

306454 ▶▶▶ Nessimmersion, replying to Cheezilla, 6, #146 of 1899 🔗


306701 ▶▶▶ helen, replying to Cheezilla, #147 of 1899 🔗

Not directly Cheez, this YT video was recorded some time ago.. I don’t know exactly when perhaps after 1st lockdown. He has back peddled on a few things but people have short memories ..

307095 ▶▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to helen, #148 of 1899 🔗

15th December?

306492 ▶▶ Ben, replying to helen, 2, #149 of 1899 🔗

Reiner Fuellmich’s a hero

I hope he has bodyguards and protection. Big Pharma is a mafia

305830 karenovirus, replying to karenovirus, 11, #150 of 1899 🔗

From the Roundup
‘Thanksgiving surge is a no show’.
At least three times on yesterday’s Today Programme the presenter used such phrases as

‘we all know what happened after Thanksgiving in America’

when trying to prod the interviewee into guilting people into not taking advantage of relaxed rules over Xmas or even cancelling them altogether.

On a lighter note in the later Jeremy Vine show talking about safe family gatherings he asked his guest

“Would shuffling a couple of seats down the table be any good if someone starts coughing ?”
“Are there any masks that you can wear while eating?”

Taking the piss surely ?

305867 ▶▶ Janice21, replying to karenovirus, 2, #151 of 1899 🔗

It’s hard to tell but I do wonder if he is sometimes being sarcastic!

305831 wendyk, replying to wendyk, 10, #152 of 1899 🔗
305865 ▶▶ vargas99, replying to wendyk, 4, #153 of 1899 🔗

That is dynamite and Fauci will be held to account sooner or later

306168 ▶▶▶ peter, replying to vargas99, 1, #154 of 1899 🔗

yeah, just like tony blair

305945 ▶▶ swedenborg, replying to wendyk, 7, #155 of 1899 🔗

This is indeed a brilliant article. This is a crazy world that it is written by an economist and not by a public health expert. What happened with Public Health since the swine flu pandemic 2009? That time in Mexico, where the first cases were detected, we also had preliminary a CFR for swine flu from Mexican hospitals at 1-3 %. But Public Health handled it better that time explaining CFR and no apocalyptic predictions on the scale used this time. What happened during these intervening 11 years? Bill Gates, the megalomaniac or Doctor Mabuse, choose your epithet, bought enormous influence in the major public health actors.

306231 ▶▶▶ mattghg, replying to swedenborg, #156 of 1899 🔗

As the meme says, “I understood that reference”, but only because I took a course on early European cinema at university…

306313 ▶▶▶ Crystal Decanter, replying to swedenborg, 1, #157 of 1899 🔗

It used to take effort to get on the internet in 2008

305949 ▶▶ FiFiTrixabelle, replying to wendyk, 1, #158 of 1899 🔗

Great article!!

305834 CivilianNotCovidian, replying to CivilianNotCovidian, 12, #159 of 1899 🔗

To your friends and family who get the mRNA “vaccine” say, “Congrats on becoming one of the first genetically modified human beings!” I think some people will genuinely take it as a compliment. I think this battle is lost. But we are still in the war. STAY HUMAN!

305835 ▶▶ Nigel Sherratt, replying to CivilianNotCovidian, 2, #160 of 1899 🔗

Suggest they go full Robocop next.

305839 annie, replying to annie, 58, #161 of 1899 🔗

Waking up in Gulag Wales, under the heel of a pathological liar and sadist. Amidst a horde of subhumans who want nothing better than to be stomped on by a raving psychopath.
Three million faceless, gutless, brainless, spineless, grovelling, muzzled masochists.
But I still know that sanity is not statistical and I am the sane one.

305844 ▶▶ Hugh, replying to annie, 2, #162 of 1899 🔗

I suppose a holiday in Wales this year is out?

There were plenty of maskless in my usual North Wales getaway, away from the north coast tourist trail when I went in September. Who knows now?

305855 ▶▶▶ annie, replying to Hugh, 13, #163 of 1899 🔗

Come and be welcome. You ca stay with us in Pembs. No charge for LSs.!

306790 ▶▶▶▶ richard riewer, replying to annie, 2, #164 of 1899 🔗

I still have my 20P brief history of Pembroke Castle that I bought when I visited Pembrokeshire just before Christmas 1976. Cromwell was a ##$%! These days Boris and co have taken his place.

305894 ▶▶▶ Mr Dee, replying to Hugh, 4, #165 of 1899 🔗

In the caravan park near me we’ve got about half a dozen camper vans and caravans parked up, despite it being mid-winter. I presume these are hardened walkers drawn by the proximity to the Offa’s Dyke Path and the Ceiriog Trail. And being so close to the English border, there’s only a short hop for a decent lunch in a Shropshire pub.

305877 ▶▶ Eliza P., replying to annie, 10, #166 of 1899 🔗

Tell me about it – as I live here too now. I’m single/living on my own and expecting round a friend for dinner on Boxing Day. Now, knowing she’s due to go to what she makes plain she regards as her best friend here on Christmas Day and that she’s rather an abider by rules – I am currently feeling nervous she’ll try ringing up and saying she “has to” cancel the meal with me – and blow me. Still working out exactly what way to respond that doesn’t amount to verbally slaughtering her on the spot if she does that – which hopefully she realises and so won’t do so…

305927 ▶▶▶ PatrickF, replying to Eliza P., 5, #167 of 1899 🔗

“Its funny. I was going to say the same thing to you. I have to assume that you’re a disease vector too.”

306301 ▶▶ Ben, replying to annie, #168 of 1899 🔗

‘Nationalism’ for short

305841 Jay Berger, 3, #169 of 1899 🔗

If you click on the link to the Tubingen info, you will actually see that they were doing exactly what the GBD recommended and that therefore, it is indeed possible and does work. A bit odd to put these stories so close together and not recognize or articulate this.

305842 Hugh, replying to Hugh, 21, #170 of 1899 🔗

“not enough evidence vitamin D prevents covid” – the usual suspects.

So, did the cases used for evidence take 7000 IU of vitamin D per day, just to make sure? (and good quality stuff). And did they combine it with vitamin K – say 90 micrograms per day? And did they also take 3000 mg/day of vitamin C, in divided doses? Did they take 400mg/day of Magnesium in citrate, malate, chelate or chloride forms? 20mg of zinc? 100 micrograms of selenium? Was the advice of the Orthomolecular Medicine News Service sought? Was it? Was it really? We deserve to know.

But of course, I forgot, there’s more money in vaccines and drugs.

Sorry, but this story really was a red rag for me.

305857 ▶▶ annie, replying to Hugh, 11, #171 of 1899 🔗

Where’s the evidence that Pfizer snake oil ‘prevents’ Covid?

305898 ▶▶ Biker, replying to Hugh, 7, #172 of 1899 🔗

I take 10000 IU’s a day and i feel good just like James Brown said i would

306164 ▶▶ Victoria, replying to Hugh, 4, #173 of 1899 🔗

Great questions!!

They do not want people to be healthy therefore the trial was rigged


306202 ▶▶ Crystal Decanter, replying to Hugh, 3, #174 of 1899 🔗

Same with HCQ and the “toxic” scare stories
Literelly anything these fiends say- the exact opposite is normally the truth

305845 Jay Berger, replying to Jay Berger, 3, #175 of 1899 🔗

The chin-wobbler of the week surely were and are A. LIM Kim and her caddy.
It’s absolutely disgusting to watch sports events and reporting on TV these days- and Westwood and Fitzpatrick weren’t that much better either.
A pure mask propaganda show that is in 99% of the broadcast cases/incidences medically absolutely pointless, even if they could make any difference at all.
Which they can’t, of course.
To the contrary, as the recent Kansas counties analysis demonstrated.

306028 ▶▶ Spikedee1, replying to Jay Berger, 1, #176 of 1899 🔗

Westwood did not go to the majors because it was not safe. Twat. Do you think they gave a more deadly strain than we have in Europe.

305847 karenovirus, 12, #177 of 1899 🔗

Jules, have you got my December 28th statement ready yet? I’m off to Cornwall tomorrow for 10 days.
Yes Mr Hancock, it’s on your desk.

“Well I hope you all enjoyed yourselves over Christmas as I did.
We the government trusted you to use your own judgement to keep safe. The Prime Minister warned you that ‘3 families for 5 days’ was an absolute maximum and not a target.
The Chief Medical Officer implored you to continue to keep your distance even while indoors.
Sadly you have let us down and abused our trust.
PHE are now predicting a catastrophic rise in deaths where Covid19 is mentioned on the death certificate so, with a heavy heart, we have no alternative but to place the entire country into tier 4 effective midnight tonight, details available on Twitter and Facebook.”

Very good Jules, what are the details?

We haven’t made them up yet Mr. Hancock, Merry Christmas Sir.

305848 Jay Berger, 10, #178 of 1899 🔗

A Covidian journo at the DT harps praise on Tom Cruise and frames and diffamate us sceptics as Covidiots, again.
I can understand his economic concerns and the responsibility he carries here. I can also understand that with regard to F1, PGA etc– they have no choice but to follow the rules, like most other businesses.
But I can’t understand or accept their overzealous, pointless rules and enforcement and their virtue propaganda broadcasting in that regard.
And it becomes totally ridiculous and hypocritical when I see Mr. Cruise with his Darth Vader mask with two valves, which render that mask completely useless anyway.

305849 Danny, replying to Danny, 18, #179 of 1899 🔗

So I wake up today to the news that apparently my home town of Brighton is being mentioned as likely to be pushed into tier 3 today, just as families begin their Christmas holidays from school.
This is seemingly despite having 6 people in ICU across its hospitals in the area.
It was only two days that local press here was celebrating low numbers.
This is all too much to deal with.

306015 ▶▶ penelope pitstop, replying to Danny, 2, #180 of 1899 🔗

i’m in the plague region of bristol and in tier 3 – cases reduced significantly but i doubt the tier will be reduced to 2 and therefore keep us eternally imprisoned.
I suspect they will never reduce the tiers and only increase by stealth the areas until the entire country is locked up under tier 3 for the majority of next year!! I hate to be pessimistic but this seems the likelyhood with this regime!

306327 ▶▶▶ Borisbullshit, replying to penelope pitstop, #181 of 1899 🔗

That does indeed seem to be the case. Tiers are the opposite of mens’ willies….they only go up and never come down.

306796 ▶▶ richard riewer, replying to Danny, 1, #182 of 1899 🔗

Change agents run your town council.

305850 howard steen, replying to howard steen, 26, #183 of 1899 🔗

MASSIVE NEWS FROM GERMANY. The class action lawsuit against Prof. Christian Drosten (Charité) based on criminal use of his fake PCR test has now started. Learn about it here and please spread this good news. https://twitter.com/howardsteen4/status/1339282976320991233?s=21

305859 ▶▶ annie, replying to howard steen, 24, #184 of 1899 🔗

Here’s wishing them every success.
By golly, a win against Drosten would get our own PCR liars indulging in some involuntary defecation.

306283 ▶▶▶ charleyfarley, replying to annie, 2, #185 of 1899 🔗

“Involuntary defecation”.

I’m stealing that!

306646 ▶▶▶▶ endthisinsanitynow, replying to charleyfarley, 1, #186 of 1899 🔗

mee too, crikey you’re an eloquent individual Annie

306799 ▶▶▶ richard riewer, replying to annie, #187 of 1899 🔗

Send them shiploads of replacment undies.

306802 ▶▶▶▶ richard riewer, replying to richard riewer, #188 of 1899 🔗

Or boxes of Depends.

306510 ▶▶ Jez Hewitt, replying to howard steen, 1, #189 of 1899 🔗

I wonder how much Drosten trusts his body guards?

305851 annie, replying to annie, 16, #190 of 1899 🔗

Now hear this:

World Health Organization urges families to wear face masks and socially distance at Christmas to prevent deadly January coronavirus peak

I just burst out laughing, knowing the Welsh morons will do it.

305866 ▶▶ Steve Martindale, replying to annie, 21, #191 of 1899 🔗

The other evening the local wildlife group had a committee meeting, a real people gathering in the church hall meeting, As we went in one craggy old forestry guy said i suppose we have to wear these pulling out something that looked like it had last been used to wipe his chainsaw, he looked at me maskless and stuffed it back in his pocket and it was never seen again, 3 others followed suit, so the meeting was majority maskless.
The last time I went shopping a lot of people seem to have given up wearing their mask over their nose so that they could breath more easily, which indicated they were playing the game without being all that convinced. I think there are quite a lot of people who could be convinced to abandon them.
The English face mask regs come up for review in January (I do not know about the Welsh ones?). I think we need to push for everyone to make their 2021 new year resolution to abandon face masks and learn to be a free thinking human again. Since we decided to inject some new impetus into the English face mask petition it has jumped by over 150 votes, a long way to go but it’s a start if you live in England and have not already done so you can sign it @ https://petition.parliament.uk/petitions/331174 .

306329 ▶▶ Borisbullshit, replying to annie, 1, #192 of 1899 🔗

What if they live in a tiny house in the valleys? More like 2 inches social distancing there.

306803 ▶▶ richard riewer, replying to annie, 1, #193 of 1899 🔗

The W.H.O. can’t make up its mind. Masks, no masks. Poor dears. Must be bipolar.

305853 Jeremy, replying to Jeremy, 7, #194 of 1899 🔗

BBC says no evidence for Vit D.
It’s just willful ignorance now.

“Covid and vitamin D: ‘Not enough evidence’ for treatment”

305890 ▶▶ TheBluePill, replying to Jeremy, 19, #195 of 1899 🔗

Not enough evidence for a cheap, plentiful and proven supplement which looks likely to have major benefits and zero downsides. Meanwhile all hail the expensive experimental “vaccine” with no long-term testing, (known) side effects that are for most people worse than symptoms, and for which the manufacturers do not know whether it prevents transmission or fertility.

305926 ▶▶▶ Biker, replying to TheBluePill, 3, #196 of 1899 🔗

when you put it like that line me up for the shot. I like risky behaviour and a shot of the goo sounds like the man with the bottle of liquid acid asking if you want one drop or two. I take 10000 IU of vitamin D very day but for it to work at it’s best you need to combine it with tobacco. Stay away from booze though.

307102 ▶▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Biker, #197 of 1899 🔗

I don’t smoke.
Can I take extra D to counteract the boooze?

305891 ▶▶ Poppy, replying to Jeremy, 12, #198 of 1899 🔗

People should be taking Vitamin D during the winter months anyway. It has some benefits but virtually no downsides so what is there to lose?

305943 ▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to Jeremy, 9, #199 of 1899 🔗

Anything opposite of what the BBC says is the truth. Vitamin D has always been recommended during the autumn and winter months. There is a reason why.

306156 ▶▶ Victoria, replying to Jeremy, 2, #200 of 1899 🔗

The PHE trail was rigged. They used the RDA of 400IU vitamin D3 per day – it is well known that it is too low to make any difference. Why then did they use it?



307103 ▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Victoria, #201 of 1899 🔗

Rhetorical question?

306236 ▶▶ mattghg, replying to Jeremy, 2, #202 of 1899 🔗

Where was the evidence to support forcing us all to wear face wrappings??

306523 ▶▶ Ben, replying to Jeremy, 1, #203 of 1899 🔗

Wow! The BBC actually sickens me

Robin Monotti Graziadei on Twitter has devoted a lot of time and energy into investigating Vitamin D. I trust him – not the BBC

307101 ▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Jeremy, #204 of 1899 🔗

So why is the NHS recommending it – albeit in paltry doses?
Oh …… !

305856 Laurence, replying to Laurence, 8, #205 of 1899 🔗


Can the government really be that stupid ?

26 Hospital deaths in London with positive COVID tests for December  10 (last day reliable information available- fairly typical day): source ONS. Typically 74% of COVID deaths in hospital, so estimated total deaths with positive tests = 35.

718 ‘excess’ deaths in week 49. Weekly deaths for England and Wales for week 49 2020 per ONS: 12,303. Average for previous 5 years: 10,695.

Adjust for population of over 70s (UK figures) 10,695 x 7.712m/ 7.119m = 11,585, so excess deaths for week 718. 7,712,000  is current estimated over 70s population, 7,119,000 is average for last 5 years.

However per Worldometer 2,968 died in week 49 after positive COVID test, so estimated excess deaths from COVID are 718/2968 x 35 = 8 people

Meanwhile, 1,499 Emergency Department attendances cancelled.  ( Source: EDSSS Bulletin (publishing.service.gov.uk) Emergency Department attendances week 49 2019: 186,455, week 49 2020: 122,327. Difference per day: 9,161, for London 9,161 x 9m/55m = 1,499).
If this is responsible for fewer than 8 deaths, we may as well shut the NHS !!

305861 ▶▶ annie, replying to Laurence, 7, #206 of 1899 🔗

We have shut the NHS, haven’t we?

306033 ▶▶▶ Thomas_E, replying to annie, 1, #207 of 1899 🔗

Yes , back in March.

305862 karenovirus, replying to karenovirus, 16, #208 of 1899 🔗

In need of caffeine I popped into an unfamiliar country pub yesterday although it was not obviously open.
While parking I spot two people in the gazebo so it’s looking good. I opened the door marked ‘entrance only’ to be confronted by a masked woman who said in a hostile way
“You alright then ?”
Waving my credit card I told her I would like a coffee.
“Have you got the Track’n’Trace App ?”
No, but you can have my email
“You’ve got to send a text message to this number (sign just inside the door) saying who you are and it’s only you”.
But I’ll be staying outside I explained
“You still got to text them”.

I made my excuses and left. Has anyone else come across texting Track’n’Trace before ? Presumably it is to get around the 70% of people said not to answer ‘unknown number’ calls.

305924 ▶▶ Now More Than Ever, replying to karenovirus, 27, #209 of 1899 🔗

Businesses that insist on this nonsense deserve to stay shut.

306147 ▶▶▶ Victoria, replying to Now More Than Ever, 3, #210 of 1899 🔗

Agree. If you are stupid there is no hope

306671 ▶▶▶ Aslangeo, replying to Now More Than Ever, 1, #211 of 1899 🔗

I wonder how much pressure is being put on franchisees / landlords by the Pub companies? to comply with such regulations – If they are they are forced to behave in stupid ways then this compounds the misery for a sector in catastrophic peril

306806 ▶▶▶ richard riewer, replying to Now More Than Ever, #212 of 1899 🔗

And go out of business.

305973 ▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to karenovirus, 8, #213 of 1899 🔗

Is that even a thing?

That pub deserves to go bust.

306046 ▶▶▶ Spikedee1, replying to Bart Simpson, 7, #214 of 1899 🔗

All our restaurants in essex just ask for your name and phone number. We always give our name as A Johnson and a fake number.

306092 ▶▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to Spikedee1, 1, #215 of 1899 🔗


307111 ▶▶▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Bart Simpson, 1, #216 of 1899 🔗

That A Johnson certainly gets around the country.
He has a phone number in every town too.

306038 ▶▶ Thomas_E, replying to karenovirus, 2, #217 of 1899 🔗

Yes…a pub in Dulwich , The Bishop uses this. Last time I was there for a Sunday roast they wanted this so I did it..The waitress was really apologetic and it later turned out that her and her boyfriend are sceptics but she doesn’t have a choice..Btw, I never do that with any other places, the ”NHS app” that was linked on this site a while ago is a very good option.

306488 ▶▶ Silke David, replying to karenovirus, #218 of 1899 🔗

Some businesses have their own system and will only forward the information if they have a “case”.

307367 ▶▶ Felice, replying to karenovirus, #219 of 1899 🔗

Could you not send it to a different number?

305863 Barney McGrew, replying to Barney McGrew, 7, #220 of 1899 🔗

Since side-effects were so common among the vaccinees, it would be obvious to many that they had received the jab itself…

I hadn’t even thought of that! That if a treatment and placebo produce wildly different physical results in the patient, then it’s hardly a blind study. Whether the subject makes the above assumption or not, the fact that the two group’s behaviour after the vaccination may differ as a result of the side effects means that the test is surely invalidated..?

Neville Hodgkinson continues:
… making them less likely to go for a Covid test than those in the placebo group.
And since the testing regime used is in any case notoriously unreliable as a diagnostic tool, throwing up many false positives, this difference could account for at least some of the “95% success rate” claimed.

Possibly, but it never crossed my mind that the confirmation of ‘cases’ was down to whether the person had chosen to go for a test themselves; I assumed that Pfizer were themselves doing regular testing. If so, an explanation for the ‘effectiveness’ could still be due to the fact that the people with the physical side effects simply changed their behaviour, staying in more, failing to go to work, mistaking the side effects for Covid and staying away from other people.

305876 ▶▶ Sally, replying to Barney McGrew, 5, #221 of 1899 🔗

Apparently some of the trial participants “unblinded” themselves by independently getting antibody tests to see whether they’d got the vaccine or the placebo – see this Reddit thread:

If people suspected or knew that they’d had the vaccine they might indeed have been less likely to report symptoms.

306144 ▶▶▶ Victoria, replying to Sally, 1, #222 of 1899 🔗

ha ha so much for a proper blind trial

306628 ▶▶ djaustin, replying to Barney McGrew, -1, #223 of 1899 🔗

Or conversely, knowing they had received the vaccine, not placebo, they engaged in more contacts and were exposed to more opportunities for infection due to risk compensation…

In either event, the fact that vaccinated subjects were 20x less likely to report a symptomatic infections, and none developed serious COVID diseases is an impressive and robust finding.

307405 ▶▶▶ Barney McGrew, replying to djaustin, #224 of 1899 🔗

Are you being serious? I don’t like to invoke the troll accusation, but we’re supposed to be talking about science, not comedy. You are openly stating that an experiment is so flawed that there are several possible explanations for an effect in addition to the one the experimenters would like you to think it is. Surely this is the sort of thing an eleven-year old would understand invalidates an experiment.

307501 ▶▶▶▶ djaustin, replying to Barney McGrew, 1, #225 of 1899 🔗

No, I was merely commenting than an accidentally unblinded study could lead to multiple differing consequences. What’s so odd about that? Google risk compensation.I don’t actually think the experiment is flawed, personally because the magnitude of effect is just so large. That is not the case for the Danish mask study, where modest mask wearing effects might easily be negated by more/closer contacts. The effect was 15% not 95%.

305868 Fingerache Philip., replying to Fingerache Philip., 17, #226 of 1899 🔗

Notice in Kidderminster branch of Next: When using our sanitizer, please make sure that you rub your hands until they are dry, as ”
wet” sanitizer can stain clothing and we will not be held responsible, etc”.
Alternatively: Stick your sanitizer, etc.

305869 ▶▶ kh1485, replying to Fingerache Philip., 20, #227 of 1899 🔗

I walked into a charity shop yesterday to be met with a wall of malodorous sanitiser fumes. I turned round and walked out.

How anyone can think that smearing themselves with this hideous gloop or inhaling the resultant haze of chemical droplets can be good for their health is beyond me.

305871 ▶▶▶ Eliza P., replying to kh1485, 18, #228 of 1899 🔗

Don’t blame you. The charity shop walkout thing I did was a very small “individual” type charity shop (not part of a chain) here in Cardigan – when the two old biddies running it demanded very forcefully that I put on sanitiser as soon as I walked in the door and wouldnt take “No” for an answer. Cue for me saying “Lose the money I might have spent then – I’m leaving” and proceed to do so.

305874 ▶▶▶▶ Fingerache Philip., replying to Eliza P., 4, #229 of 1899 🔗

Little victories!

305901 ▶▶▶▶▶ Biker, replying to Fingerache Philip., #230 of 1899 🔗


306809 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ richard riewer, replying to Biker, #231 of 1899 🔗


305971 ▶▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to Eliza P., 7, #232 of 1899 🔗

I’ve boycotted charity shops because they’ve been the worst. You know its really bad when the big chains treat their customers better.

Have not bought anything from them and ain’t donating either. Any clothes I want to give away, I’ve given them to M&S and H&M both of who have drop off boxes in their shops.

305984 ▶▶▶▶▶ arfurmo, replying to Bart Simpson, 3, #233 of 1899 🔗

Yes -just about every charity shop has the no mask no entry , 1 person in entire shop signs.

306102 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to arfurmo, 3, #234 of 1899 🔗

I walked past an Oxfam shop recently and laughed like a drain when I saw the sign “Only X number allowed in the shop” and people were giving it a wide berth.

Was sorely tempted to make funny faces at the staff.

306140 ▶▶▶▶▶ Victoria, replying to Bart Simpson, 4, #235 of 1899 🔗


I used to frequent charity shops at least 4x per week. However never been back since they hysterically insisted on their sanitizer, masks and stupid one way systems that actually forces people to be closer to each other. Now happily buying from eBay.

Also no more donations to charity shops – either use the collection bins or chuck stuff in the rubbish bin – so much for recycling or saving the earth….

306217 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to Victoria, 1, #236 of 1899 🔗

I might have to do that with non-clothing such as books and DVDs.

Would rather give my clothes to H&M because they do recycle the fabrics into new clothes.

306291 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ kh1485, replying to Victoria, 1, #237 of 1899 🔗

One charity shop in our town had an ominous message warning people not to leave donations outside as it was tantamount to fly-tipping. It also stated that CCTV was operation to identify any such fly-tippers.

Another one on the boycott list.

306627 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Borisbullshit, replying to kh1485, #238 of 1899 🔗

I have seen a few of those signs…its clear that they are selling very little with their ‘in your face’ regulations you face the moment you step in the door. A lot only allow 1 person in as well and you are not allowed to touch anything.

305970 ▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to kh1485, 4, #239 of 1899 🔗

I’ve seen visitors who sanitise their hands every time they see a sanitising point at where I work. It can get bad and I find myself recoiling at the smell.

305980 ▶▶▶▶ kh1485, replying to Bart Simpson, 7, #240 of 1899 🔗

I know, it’s vile. Makes me laugh when I see people sanitising and then eating something with their hands and then licking their fingers – yuck. Not only is that gunk being absorbed through their skin, they’re actually ingesting it also.

306054 ▶▶▶▶▶ p02099003, replying to kh1485, 5, #241 of 1899 🔗

the alcohol based hand gel was removed from hospitals when it was discovered that alcoholics were taking cupfuls adding orange juice then drinking it.
If you’re using hand sanitiser you should rub your hands together until the gel has dried. The hand sanitiser also destroys the natural oils which are part of the barrier section of the innate immune system.

306069 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ kh1485, replying to p02099003, 5, #242 of 1899 🔗

The stuff I’ve been subjected to causes me problems with breathing and, alarmingly, heart palpitations. Despite my polite sign asking people not to use it anywhere near me, they continue to do so. So much for everyone being bloody ‘kind’.

306499 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Silke David, replying to kh1485, 1, #243 of 1899 🔗

I sometimes got light headed, seemingly out of nowhere, at work, until I realised I had just filled up the spray bottle of sanitzier a few minutes before. the light headedness lasted up to 10 minutes!

306068 ▶▶▶▶▶ Spikedee1, replying to kh1485, 5, #244 of 1899 🔗

Bit off subject but before the batflu when you would go to the gym it always had that people working out smell. It always gave you a bit of a buzz to know that you were there to work out. Now it smells like a sodding hospital. Every weight you pick up is slippery with cleaner and when you lay on a bench and start your exercise, you inhale all the fumes of the antibac they spray on the base and it makes my eyes water.

306075 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ kh1485, replying to Spikedee1, 2, #245 of 1899 🔗

It was a bit the same with the charity shop. It usually smells a bit musty but yesterday it was just awful, this horrible chemical, un-natural odour. It doesn’t even smell ‘clean’, just toxic.

306336 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ TimeIsNow, replying to Spikedee1, 2, #246 of 1899 🔗

Not in my gym! 90% doing nothing differently. Zero social distancing. Something good might come from these pockets of sanity. People that come in wearing masks soon ditch them when they realise they look like morons.
I’ve decided not to do anything differently to 2019, sanitiser is horrible and I’ve never used it. I used to wash my hands before handling food and when needed, still do that.
By the way, in my area nothing is happening. If they shut down the covid exaggeration tents in the car parks this would be over tomorrow.

306612 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Spikedee1, replying to TimeIsNow, #247 of 1899 🔗

Ours is all antisocial distancing. Every other tradmill/crosstrainer is closed down. All the benches are in 2m square taped off areas. The lockers are shut down, the loos and showers are locked. You are not supposed to ask someone to spot you. Apparently it’s ok to be stuck under the Bench Press but not for two of you to touch the same bar! It’s not the gyms fault they felt they had to do something to be open. It’s only a small local gym and they cannot be making a living now. Gyms getting more and more empty and they have the additional cost of the blue paper towels and antibacterial spray.

306654 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ TimeIsNow, replying to Spikedee1, #248 of 1899 🔗

Shame not to support an independent but you should find another. It’s good to spend time in a place where the sane are the majority.

306097 ▶▶▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to kh1485, 4, #249 of 1899 🔗

I’ve seen that a lot. Even more disgusting is when they finish eating where rather than wipe their hands with the napkins then go to the loo to wash their hands, they use the gunk instead. It doesn’t enter into their thick skulls that the alcohol is just masking the texture and smell of what they’ve eaten and that the gunk is just there leaving a coat of film on their hands.

306497 ▶▶▶▶ Silke David, replying to Bart Simpson, #250 of 1899 🔗

What was the name of the experiment with the dogs who started salivating at the sound of a bell?
Same with using sanitzier. People do not even think about it.

306498 ▶▶▶▶▶ kh1485, replying to Silke David, 1, #251 of 1899 🔗


307033 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to kh1485, #252 of 1899 🔗

Pavlova ?

307494 ▶▶▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to Silke David, #253 of 1899 🔗

Ivan Pavlov

306244 ▶▶▶ Two-Six, replying to kh1485, 3, #254 of 1899 🔗

I hardly ever buy new cloths. I pretty much only shopped in charity shops. After mandatory face nappy day I haven’t bothered with them. Until all the covid bollocks is gone I won’t be using them again.

Likewise for all other shops too. Same for pubs and restaurants and takeaway, public transport, everything.

306625 ▶▶▶▶ Borisbullshit, replying to Two-Six, #255 of 1899 🔗

Yes I used to enjoy the charity shops especially in a new town but not been in one since March. Every shop seems to have a sign saying ‘no more donations’ so i suspect they are selling heehaw as the scots say.

305872 Will, replying to Will, 7, #256 of 1899 🔗

I do think the news from Parliament about mandatory vaccination is extremely positive. It is a further sign that the government is, finally, starting to make decisions on a basis other than raw populism.

305875 ▶▶ Barney McGrew, replying to Will, 5, #257 of 1899 🔗

I agree, but… it still leaves a loophole for a testing-based health passport.

305883 ▶▶▶ Will, replying to Barney McGrew, 8, #258 of 1899 🔗

There is wiggle room there but it shows there is a bit of a change in the mood music. There is no way Johnson is going to fiddle about too much with the tiers. Whilst we all know that that is ridiculous and, if we stopped testing in the morning the whole business would be over, the government has got to take baby steps to wean the fearful off their fix. As a Munster rugby supporter and a Somerset cricket supporter, I am more aware than most that it is the hope that kills you, but we have had nearly a week of the government starting to show a bit of sense.

306099 ▶▶ Jonathan Palmer, replying to Will, 5, #259 of 1899 🔗

It was never going to be mandatory, not at first.To announce something like that when only 100,000 people have been vaccinated would be stupid.
The coercion will be piecemeal.Airline travel will be first,most destinations already require a negative test before you arrive.Certain occupations next.Once you get to a majority of the population then the screw will turn.
This is a week where London was forced into tier 3 and Wales announced a 3rd lockdown.The theatre over the easing of the restrictions was just that;they are giving us a concession they cannot enforce.
I see no cause for optimism,this only ends when enough people say it does.

306578 ▶▶ Jez Hewitt, replying to Will, 1, #260 of 1899 🔗

Typical ambiguous political fuckery…

“We have absolutely no plans for vaccine passporting.”

Is that ever or yet?

“We” might very well mean it but it’s bloody useless if every other country does have such plans.

Making it mandatory would just wake too many peeps up far too soon.

How far do you reckon you could throw them? Not as far as my fucking pitchfork – that you can take to the bank.

305873 Barney McGrew, replying to Barney McGrew, 16, #261 of 1899 🔗

This supposed Covid spike in Germany… It’s happening at the same time as the usual winter respiratory viruses, and there may well be a dry tinder effect happening as well – unlike us, they managed not to kill off their most vulnerable earlier in the year.

I don’t have any faith in PCR testing; I don’t have any faith in the certification of cause of death; I don’t have any faith in the people who compile the statistics. And most of all, I refute the whole logic of shutting down an economy in response to a line on a graph – that has been doing the same thing every year for millennia, but unseen until this year.

305885 ▶▶ Will, replying to Barney McGrew, 8, #262 of 1899 🔗

I agree but “look at Germany” has been a mantra of the “lock down earlier” crowd. Point out their current situation and that, particularly stupid, argument is exposed.

305909 ▶▶▶ Barney McGrew, replying to Will, 7, #263 of 1899 🔗

It’s a recurring issue for anyone who substitutes ‘data’ in lieu of rational argument.

Back in March, many on our side of the argument were saying that while ‘Covid deaths’ were supposedly going through the roof, all-causes mortality would not be in excess, thus showing that it was just an artefact of testing and misattribution. They were caught out by an apparent spike in all-causes mortality. What they had failed to anticipate was that the craziness of government policy, and the lockdown itself, would cause a rupture in the usual keeping-alive of old people in hospitals. It only takes a small change to produce a noticeable, nonlinear spike in deaths in such circumstances, even if the actual total of lost weeks or months is low (and virtually zero in QALYs).

When you argue over data, you are playing the fascists’ game, on their territory.

306076 ▶▶▶▶ Spikedee1, replying to Barney McGrew, #264 of 1899 🔗

But there is never any context to their data. What was it like last winter? What has happened over the past 10 winters? Lies, damn lies and statistics! Good to see that smug Merkle bitch taken down a peg though.

306122 ▶▶▶▶▶ kf99, replying to Spikedee1, #265 of 1899 🔗

Anything that pushes Sweden (and perhaps UK if we switch to LF testing) down the deaths “league table” is fine by me. Two can play the death mis-attribution game.

306652 ▶▶▶▶▶ Jez Hewitt, replying to Spikedee1, #266 of 1899 🔗

What does one peg matter in the grand scheme of things to her .

The embers are glowing somewhere deep down inside this particular bitch.

306819 ▶▶▶▶▶ richard riewer, replying to Spikedee1, 1, #267 of 1899 🔗

Do not believe anything that they tell you. Nothing!

305878 Margaret, 1, #268 of 1899 🔗

I’m sure the scientists on here will explain this to us in layman’s language. I thought that the government had sent something similar to laboratories in the U.K. on October 28th ie a positive test, particularly at a higher number of cycles, needs to be seen in context with clinical symptoms.


Simon Dolan #KBF (@simondolan) Tweeted: “the distinction between background noise and actual presence of the target virus is difficult to ascertain”

The PCR tests which have been used to shut down and destroy economies are not fit for purpose.

⁦@MattHancock⁩ https://t.co/9WojF3SWZu

305880 Biker, replying to Biker, 44, #269 of 1899 🔗

I can barely articulate how much of a complete and utter wanker Tom Cruise is. That motherfucker has a fucking large gold medal for valour presented to him by the very stupid cult of Scientologists. “Valour”, how can such a fucking poison dwarf like him who fronts a giant scam that has to be the dumbest religion ever invented get a medal for valour? You may think flying donkeys and virgin births to be utterly stupid but these cunts, holy fucking shit. I truly wish Tom Cruise a mischief, i hope the little fucker goes bald. As far as the faggots in Hollywood go, these people are scum. They are all child fuckers, all of them. See all your big stars, they rape kids. Just watch them at the Oscars where they give a standing ovation for the child anal rapist who drugged his victim. It sends a shiver down my spine to know that these cunts openly praise rapists like him and the total fucking mongs that go to the movies don’t give a fuck. It’s the clown world. Trump says lets stop wars and he’s a racist and a bigot and Obama says lets drop drone bombs and fuck Libya, Syria and god knows where else and he’s got a Nobel peace prize. It’s a crazy world when whatever you’re told by the media you have to reverse it to get to the truth.
I’m glad we won’t be forced the vaccine but it makes no difference, they want us locked up forever. There can never be a time when a virus goes away. I predict that we will have to fight them with force. It’s nearly one year of our lives, now i want to save Grannie as much as the next man (woman, non binary, tranny, faggot, animal fucker, boy lover, eunuch) but after a year, fuck her, i don’t fucking care anymore. We’ve done enough. This giant virtue signal is making it impossible to breath. I want to race my bike, i want to play gigs, i want to party like it’s my last night on earth. I want my kids to do the same, i want Mother to get back to her Bridge games and Afternoon Tea, i want Daddy to get back to the Masons so he can get hammered with his pals while plotting to subvert the government. I’m repulsed by the people who are behind this and those who support it.
Death to mask wearers

305881 ▶▶ Janice21, replying to Biker, 2, #270 of 1899 🔗

On fire this morning biker.
What kind of bike do you race?

305905 ▶▶▶ Biker, replying to Janice21, 10, #271 of 1899 🔗

Motocross. I’ve a 80’s Two Stroke Honda CR 500 and a Two Stoke KX 250. Plus a number of road bikes. Off road racing and trail riding are my thing. I live in a place where within ten minutes i can be in the hills unmolested by the kind of wanker who wants to stop people like me riding bikes over the hills

305919 ▶▶▶▶ Janice21, replying to Biker, 1, #272 of 1899 🔗

My husband used to do enduro racing and wants back at it. He has a 4 stroke Honda as well but it’s a 400 I believe. Off roading is his paradise, he did the Carpathian mountains in Romania a few years back and the blue mountains in jamacia. he tries to take off to a few forests nearby where no one can report him.We’ve toured a bit around europe on his armstrong MT500. I just ride a wee SR125 Yamaha.

305941 ▶▶▶▶▶ Biker, replying to Janice21, 3, #273 of 1899 🔗

I ride a 125 sometimes too, i’ve a Yamaha wr 125 x supermoto and it’s a lot of fun. Wales is good for tiding in the hills, i’ve done a few trips down there over the years.

305948 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Janice21, replying to Biker, 2, #274 of 1899 🔗

Terrible that we have never been to Wales but hoping for a trip there next summer.

306081 ▶▶▶▶ TJN, replying to Biker, #275 of 1899 🔗

What kind of music does your band play?

I’ve imagined you doing cover versions from Daydream Nation, with you standing in as Kim Gordon (‘Fuck you, are you for sale? Does fuck you sound simple enough?’

305884 ▶▶ vargas99, replying to Biker, 3, #276 of 1899 🔗

Respect, brother.

305900 ▶▶ Fiona Walker, replying to Biker, 4, #277 of 1899 🔗

U Ok hun? 😂 😂
(Joke – before you come get me!)

305910 ▶▶ annie, replying to Biker, 6, #278 of 1899 🔗

I’m plenty old enough to be a granny, though thank God I’m not one, so don’t have to watch my grandchildren being tortured.
The only thing I want saving from is Dungford’s Stalinist psychopathic tyranny.
And I am busy saving myself, though any assistance is of course welcome.

305912 ▶▶▶ Biker, replying to annie, 10, #279 of 1899 🔗

You have my best wishes Annie. It’s small comfort to know there are people all over our island speaking out against this. It may well make all the difference.

305920 ▶▶▶▶ annie, replying to Biker, 7, #280 of 1899 🔗

Stick at it, stay angry! You are a tonic – and a pretty strong one.

305921 ▶▶ Winston Smith, replying to Biker, 3, #281 of 1899 🔗

If we ever meet him Biker, hold my coat….

305951 ▶▶ Llamasaurus Rex, replying to Biker, 1, #282 of 1899 🔗

Nailed it with every word.

305953 ▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to Biker, 2, #283 of 1899 🔗

Well said Biker!!!

306051 ▶▶ Thomas_E, replying to Biker, #284 of 1899 🔗

Right on!

305882 Margaret, replying to Margaret, 7, #285 of 1899 🔗

LGcommaI (@LGcommaI) Tweeted: Dr. #Drosten: “We are now losing public trust. Certainly.
.. Because the disease is not existing! [sic] It’s not there.
.. Even though the incidence goes up, the fatalities don’t go up. There are no dead people.” https://t.co/yeB1QO3eXc


305892 ▶▶ Charlie Blue, replying to Margaret, 1, #286 of 1899 🔗

Bear in mind, as pointed out by another poster yesterday, that this video was from the summer.

305918 ▶▶▶ Margaret, replying to Charlie Blue, #287 of 1899 🔗

Sorry, didn’t see it had been posted yesterday.

305886 JustMe, replying to JustMe, 12, #288 of 1899 🔗

Sorry if its already been posted – Julia Hartley-Brewer and Brendan O’Neill discuss Britain’s slide into Covid tyranny for more than an hour. JHB talking criminal action against those in Power – https://www.spiked-online.com/podcast-episode/why-the-well-off-love-the-lockdown/

306834 ▶▶ richard riewer, replying to JustMe, #289 of 1899 🔗

I can only listen to Spiked using Audioboom. I don’t like that imposition and I have no interest in signing up. What happened? Where did all their other audio links go?

306928 ▶▶▶ richard riewer, replying to richard riewer, #290 of 1899 🔗

Mark Windows episode on Citizens assemblies the corporate revolution just said ‘narrative controlling subversives’.

306939 ▶▶▶▶ richard riewer, replying to richard riewer, #291 of 1899 🔗
305893 John Ballard, replying to John Ballard, 20, #292 of 1899 🔗

Bit of an old topic this I guess and I looked at the stats on Tuesday so numbers from memory. On the train to work now as I can’t be doing with working from home so difficult to check the numbers again.
Anyway ONS stats each week show deaths from covid and another line deaths from respiratory disease. Last week 2800 ish covid deaths.
Respiratory deaths Jan to March pre the covid number reporting averaged 1800 ish a week. Now the past five weeks they average 900 ish a week.
It’s winter, weather is similar, so how come half as many dying? Only sensible answer is that the difference are now showing as covid instead although I think from memory the site says you can be added as both.
But adding as both would dilute the covid paranoia and knock the save the nhs bullsh@t. So maybe the incentive is there to just keep tagging as covid.
Same as the flu stats on yesterday’s update, if you die with covid you die from covid if you die with the flu you died of something else.
All lies, smoke and mirrors. I don’t believe in conspiracy theories I put all of this down to gross incompetence in government. I called this the first social media snowflake pandemic back at the start and nothing has changed my mind.
Whitty yesterday, 7000 die from flu a year, 20000 in a bad year, pretty sure that was what he said. Didn’t we have 50000 flu deaths in the 2017 2018 season?
Anyway, have a good day sceptics. Even these morons will run out of steam eventually and we are one day closely to the next election when this life long Tory will vote for anyone but the conservatives or labour. One small win for me!

305906 ▶▶ Ferd III, replying to John Ballard, 7, #293 of 1899 🔗

Correct close to 60 K dead from the flu 2017-18. 15k died in 2nd week in Jan. I worked face to face on IT projects with many groups in small rooms. No one was sick, no one died, no face diapers, no panic.

Now this year apparently only ~5000 dead from the flu. 10 year average is close to 30.000. So they moved 20 K plus into CV 19. Add in the other ‘with CV’ deaths which are moved into CV dead counts and you account for most of the 60 K dead with CV.

Remember the MCCD process was radically changed March 2020 and no medical proof of death is needed, and 1 doctor can subjectively assess cause of death. The data flow is so fraught with lack of validation, hand-offs, manual manipulation and even confusion (ONS aggregates its data from across NHS agencies, the NHS themselves do not necessarily take any ownership of the data but refer to ONS), that the data cannot be mapped back to MCCDs (and you can’t do an audit on this, due to privacy laws).

There is no pandemic. Remember Whitless et al promised 4000 dead a day unless the Lockdowns were made permanent starting in Nov. No credible data or evidence supports that fear mongering.

305944 ▶▶▶ mhcp, replying to Ferd III, 1, #294 of 1899 🔗

Ferd, it’s been this way from the start. The most basic concept in science is to make sure you measure the thing you say you are measuring and our great experts couldn’t even get that right.

They’d have stripped the car down to parts before checking the fuel tank

305992 ▶▶▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to mhcp, 3, #295 of 1899 🔗

Given that all the people who have actively destroyed the economy and liberty have a degree (at the least), perhaps it is time to ban universities? They clearly turn out dangerous individuals.

Just using the logic of the people who think they rule us.

306134 ▶▶ kf99, replying to John Ballard, 2, #296 of 1899 🔗

I noticed that as well. Where did he get this 7-20 range from. Will anyone ever challenge him on it. This is getting ridiculous, a press conference to give completely bogus numbers of unknown origin (again)

306718 ▶▶ Jez Hewitt, replying to John Ballard, 1, #297 of 1899 🔗

3 years until the next election…. let’s see where we are in 10 months when Germany are due their next circus show.

If Biden is sworn in, 4 years before they see another one.

Personally, the Thames is gonna be red before we’ve a new sheriff in town.

Wow, I used to be so positive and optimistic…

305895 Stuart, replying to Stuart, 3, #298 of 1899 🔗

The government’s policy of population suppression, with its commendable intention to return these islands to their pre-WWII sustainable carrying capacity of some thirty-five millions, raises doubts about ways and means.

Covid itself has turned out to be something of a damp squib in terms of mortality induction and this lamentable fact has necessitated the implementation of experimental vaccines and lockdowns to achieve the desired outcome.

A question arises as to what is to be done with thirty million bodies? Inhumation is out of the question as we don’t have the gravediggers and there are understandable reservations about covering the Green Belt with cemeteries for as far as the eye can see. Perhaps Chinese-style urn stacking in purpose-built warehouses is the way forward.

305915 ▶▶ Winston Smith, replying to Stuart, #299 of 1899 🔗

Crematorium ovens made in Switzerland, worked for The Third Reich?

305917 ▶▶▶ annie, replying to Winston Smith, #300 of 1899 🔗

And a new approach to the gas mask?

305939 ▶▶▶ Biker, replying to Winston Smith, 8, #301 of 1899 🔗

everyone gives the third Reich a hard time while not noticing that we do in fact live under the third reich right now and they intend to rule humanity with their one world government for a 1000 year. As ever in the clown world it’s the opposite of what the media say even when it comes to Hitler.

306940 ▶▶▶▶ richard riewer, replying to Biker, #302 of 1899 🔗

Millenium psychopaths pop up all the time throughout human history.

305897 Country Mumkin, replying to Country Mumkin, 5, #303 of 1899 🔗

Brilliant news on the non mandating of vaccines.

I’m a little cynical because I fear that from this is an only “for now” approach. If you look at the transcript of the debate in the LS forums (well done that lovely person who did that), you see the word “currently” used by the vaccines minister.

Also, another bit of evidence that makes me think this is the case is this You Gov poll. Someone screenshot this question. I found it on Twitter.

305902 ▶▶ Charlie Blue, replying to Country Mumkin, 6, #304 of 1899 🔗

I agree, CM. It’s a positive for now but if they stick to this position it will be a first.

305913 ▶▶ annie, replying to Country Mumkin, 6, #305 of 1899 🔗

Face knickers weren’t compulsory to start with.

305923 ▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to Country Mumkin, 4, #306 of 1899 🔗

Agree. It’s a positive step, but we should remain eternal vigilance against these clowns.

305985 ▶▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to Bart Simpson, 2, #307 of 1899 🔗

Eternal vigilance against authority was missing earlier this year. Hopefully people will relearn this valuable lesson.

“Eternal vigilance is the price of liberty.” Attributed to many people, probably never actually uttered, but so very apt.

306106 ▶▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to Nick Rose, 2, #308 of 1899 🔗

Agree. We were asleep at the beginning of all this but it should be Never Again.

306090 ▶▶ swedenborg, replying to Country Mumkin, 5, #309 of 1899 🔗

There is no way this vaccine can be mandatory. With yesterday’s report of an anaphylactic rection to the Pfizer vaccine in Alaska in a HCW with no previous allergy this option is blocked. There is no way to reliably check if a person has had an anaphylactic reaction and you have to trust the verbal account of such event in a person. There is no way a licensed doctor or nurse would give this vaccine (which has a warning and contra indication for previous severe allergic reaction) to anyone claiming having had such reaction. The health care provider would have the risk of losing the license to practice apart from costly claims. I’ve given thousands of vaccinations and the reverse situation where a person really wants the vaccine, despite being allergic, is common. She/he might be egg allergic i.e in yellow fever vaccination and there are complicated investigations to confirm or refute this.  WHO had exception cards for yellow fever and I also remember the same for smallpox vaccination when this was given. WHO has many years downplayed the role of mandatory vaccines for travel taking away mandatory cholera vaccines for travel. There has never been a flu vaccine in WHO mandatory travel vaccines. The mandatory C-19 vaccine agenda  is a psyop regurgitated by infantile moronic politicians like Hancock and further fuelled by business leaders completely ignorant about vaccines. Any vaccine will always have exceptions in the biological variable human.

306120 ▶▶ Victoria, replying to Country Mumkin, 1, #310 of 1899 🔗

you see the word “currently” used by the vaccines minister.

Great point. Do we trust them??

306878 ▶▶▶ richard riewer, replying to Victoria, #311 of 1899 🔗

We will pay for our Sin of breathing out and breathing in.

306320 ▶▶ Crystal Decanter, replying to Country Mumkin, 3, #312 of 1899 🔗

I do not believe a single word that comes out of the mouths of these Lockdown Clowns

305899 swedenborg, replying to swedenborg, 16, #313 of 1899 🔗

https://covexit.com/coordinated-repression-of-early-treatment-of-c-19-explained/ The most important article today is COVEXIT is the deliberate effort by BBC and others to suppress all information about treatment and prophylaxis unless told so by Big Pharma. That is implicated in this article. There is no other explanation for this obvious censorship probably causing thousands of deaths.
The reasons are clear. Big Pharma needed an EAU to launch the vaccine. As soon as the pandemic IFR was reduced incl.SAGE downgrading the threat, there was an emergency for Big Pharma and everything was relying for the new vaccines to have an EAU. This could not be done if there were to be effective treatment and prophylaxis. The whole year has been spent to supress this information to allow the vaccines to go through. The total Big Pharma approach also included other efforts, Project fear and facemasks as cheap advertisement for the coming vaccines.
But the third world and Latin America cheated them now producing massive evidence of treatment and astounding prophylaxis. If this had been implemented, no EAU could have been given and the usual time for producing vaccine would have followed for a safe launch. The corrupt politicians having the fiasco of meaningless lockdowns and mask mandate had two choices. Early implementation of treatment and prophylaxis or EAU vaccines. They chose EAU vaccines as they are all controlled more than less by Big Pharma which also have bought off the imaginary free press in the West. BBC have blood on their hands.

305978 ▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to swedenborg, 2, #314 of 1899 🔗

I must congratulate you on all the different things you dig out. This will be very useful for me. Thank you :o))

306004 ▶▶▶ Nigel Sherratt, replying to Nick Rose, #315 of 1899 🔗

Fourth item in ‘Round-up’ (above) always worth looking there, sometimes the best part.

306062 ▶▶ Gavroche, replying to swedenborg, 3, #316 of 1899 🔗

This, broadly speaking, is the line taken by Prof Didier Raoult, who’s been using HCQ, in combination with other treatments, with considerable success in Marseille, despite the opposition of the French medical authorities. His specific point, though, is that HCQ was discredited and banned (viz retracted Lancet study) in order to enable pharmaceutical companies to present Remdesivir as a miracle cure and hence offload a product that had been proved a failure and so was a loss-maker.

He agrees that the continuing reluctance to examine prophylactic treatments is to provide a market for a new wonder vaccine. As he puts it, governments and health authorities have been transfixed by the prospect of finding ‘une baguette magique/a magic wand’ rather than concentrating on more workaday solutions.

There are lots of interesting interviews with Raoult available on YouTube but I haven’t seen any with English subtitles, so you need to understand French to follow these, I’m afraid.

306949 ▶▶▶ richard riewer, replying to Gavroche, #317 of 1899 🔗

How many members of the French medical authorities have shares in pharmaceutical companies, like Vallance?

305903 Bugle, replying to Bugle, 9, #318 of 1899 🔗

Tobias Ellwood should be nominated Hypocrite of the Decade, not just the week. Especially as he commands the ghastly 77th Brigade, and is the Europhile’s Europhile, the anti-Trumper’s anti-Trumper and the deep-stater’s deep stater. Business dinner? Must arrange one myself.

Whilst on the subject of the 77th, we should be gratified not alarmed by the continuing presence of MutzNutz on these comments as it indicates that the establishment does not yet think it has won – and therefore, we have not lost.

305904 ▶▶ annie, replying to Bugle, 6, #319 of 1899 🔗

Good point about Mutz, Bugle.
We have most certainly not lost. Not until they have turned every last one of us into a zombie. They can’t do that. We can’t even do it to ourselves.

305929 ▶▶ Biker, replying to Bugle, 2, #320 of 1899 🔗

Don’t knock Hypocrisy, it’s the only talent most humans have.

306024 ▶▶ AN other lockdown sceptic, replying to Bugle, #321 of 1899 🔗

100% on the money. Wise words.

306223 ▶▶ Ben, replying to Bugle, 2, #322 of 1899 🔗

Kay Burley is a hypocrite too. Currently hiding in Africa after being suspended for six months for holding a massive party against Covid rules

306626 ▶▶▶ Spikedee1, replying to Ben, #323 of 1899 🔗

Yes and to punish you we will give you six months off work on full pay.

305911 Country Mumkin, replying to Country Mumkin, 2, #324 of 1899 🔗

As Ivor Cummins says… is this for real? The inventor of PCR for SARS Cov says there’s a problem because the numbers aren’t there so we’re losing public trust…


305947 ▶▶ PoshPanic, replying to Country Mumkin, 1, #325 of 1899 🔗

I believe this was from September. They’ve since managed to get the numbers up.

305954 ▶▶▶ Country Mumkin, replying to PoshPanic, #326 of 1899 🔗

Apparently this is the full podcast where that clip was from. Haven’t listened to it yet, just sharing in case of interest


306064 ▶▶▶▶ Country Mumkin, replying to Country Mumkin, 9, #327 of 1899 🔗

I he listen to 39 mins. The clip that was cut is around 32 mins.

I’d say it’s worth listening to in more detail and I’ll certainly go back and listen to it in full.

It’s demonstrated to me how Drosten (and possibly other insular scientists) are looking purely at this one problem and discussing lockdowns and school closures and distancing etc like a pure insular scientific experiment.

Except we are not a pure experiment. We are society. We are livelihoods, families, friends, lovers, creatives, entrepreneurial, caring people and we are all the opposite and everything in between.

Our elected representatives have zero ability to put the science in proportion. Of actually making decisions that require proportion. Or maybe they don’t want to, or are compromised or bribed. Either way, this way of operating is completely ineffective and no amount of graphs or data or observing change in the virus or the people’s infection or susceptibility will change that.

The system is broken and we are the victims of it.

306302 ▶▶▶▶▶ Two-Six, replying to Country Mumkin, 4, #328 of 1899 🔗

The Corona Project is an experiment, a global one. So much data will be harvested stored and analysed. This is another reason as to why they are doing it, another beneficial effect/outcome. One of many.
I think it will be face nappies until July. They want a whole year of data about how they “work”. Another box upticked.

305922 Bart Simpson, replying to Bart Simpson, 13, #329 of 1899 🔗

Tom Cruise looks like an idiot in his muzzle and shades. Have never liked the guy since he went full on bonkers while dating & being married to Katie Holmes. Never mind, when MI 7 flops, he can always get a job as Covid Marshall where people will tell him to feck off and pelt him with rotten tomatoes.

As for Tobias Ellwood, where should I begin? He’s been a bell end throughout this shit show. Having read Tolstoy’s War & Peace and currently reading Dominic Lieven’s Russia against Napoleon, I suspect Ellwood is a frustrated wannabe general leading troops into battle hence why he keeps on bleating about the army being involved and reveling in his Lieutenant Colonel reservist status. Bet if he was allowed to, he would want to strut around in uniform and (fake) medals.

And now he’s been caught after saying that Christmas should be cancelled. He’s not only the Hypocrite of the Week but he’s a Hypocrite full stop.

What a maroon and nincompoop. He should resign.

305935 ▶▶ Barney McGrew, replying to Bart Simpson, 4, #330 of 1899 🔗

What a maroon and nincompoop

And a poltroon, perhaps.

306039 ▶▶▶ OldBaldGamer, replying to Barney McGrew, 3, #331 of 1899 🔗

Prefer a Cad and a Bounder

307214 ▶▶▶▶ Chris John, replying to OldBaldGamer, 1, #332 of 1899 🔗

Massive Mules Frontbottom and incompetent fucktard is what I think he is

305930 PatrickF, replying to PatrickF, 7, #333 of 1899 🔗

Why is it, that on everyday the Government, SAGE etc make an announcement there is a delay in reporting the figures?
It’s happened too many times for this to be a coincidence.

305936 ▶▶ Ben, replying to PatrickF, 4, #334 of 1899 🔗

Psychological torture

306021 ▶▶ Tom Blackburn, replying to PatrickF, 2, #335 of 1899 🔗

Back of a fag packet Tier decisions

305931 Ben, replying to Ben, 13, #336 of 1899 🔗

Just thinking about those in society who point a finger of disapproval at China and North Korea. Some of them would assimilate well into North Korea by the way they’ve obediently embraced Government Covid diktats

UK Gov’t won’t coerce it says. I class my freedom being stolen, my right to breathe fresh air denied me and perpetual threats and intimidation ‘coercion’

305965 ▶▶ Saved To Death, replying to Ben, 5, #337 of 1899 🔗

Making people believe there is a novel and deadly virus and that this vaccine provides immunity is itself coercion. All they are debating is how much more extreme they intend to become in coercing people to take this vaccine.

306951 ▶▶ richard riewer, replying to Ben, #338 of 1899 🔗

Now we know which countries to send them to. All aboard!

305932 chaos, replying to chaos, 2, #339 of 1899 🔗

A wealth of evidence suggests vitamin D boosts immune health and lung function and resistance and recovery from lung infections… but Wanksock says no…

keywords I used: vitamin d pubmed immune lungs


306108 ▶▶ Victoria, replying to chaos, 1, #340 of 1899 🔗

PHE do not want people to be healthy. Initially Hancock said that vitamin D did not ‘work’, they were then forced to relook Vitamin D.

We all know that the paltry RDA of 400IU vitamin D per day will not make a difference in health outcomes. What did they then do?? They set up a trial using 400IU vitamin D3 per day and declare that vitamin D does not work.

For those interested in taking responsibility for their own health :

  • Optimise your vitamin D levels
  • The best is daily sun exposure on exposed skin (not just hands in face) – however from October to March the sun is too low in the sky to make vitamin D on your body
  • Best practice is to get a vitamin D test to determine your baseline and then supplement accordingly to get your levels in the optimised range [No problem if you cant get a vitamin D test, just follow recommendations below]
  • Take 10,000IU vitamin D3 per day (note: proper sun exposure will make more than 10,000 IU per day).
  • Always take vitamin D3 with Magnesium and vitamin K2 – that will ensure that your body absorbs the Calcium* from your blood and cells into your bones and teeth
  • If conventional doctors warn you about too high vitamin D levels / vitamin D toxicity it basically means that your blood Calcium* levels will become too high – easily fixed by Magnesium and Vitamin K2


306955 ▶▶ richard riewer, replying to chaos, #341 of 1899 🔗

I would love to see Matt wank his sock in the House of Commons during Question Period, then have it go viral

305933 stefarm, replying to stefarm, 4, #342 of 1899 🔗

Word on the street is that Tom Cruise is starring in a soon to be released film in the mission impossible franchise…….I didn’t know…… but everybody does now.

305940 ▶▶ chaos, replying to stefarm, 6, #343 of 1899 🔗

Mission impossible? Getting into Wales? Your kid staying in school for more than 2 months without being sent home cos someone has had a dodgy test? Getting loo roll? Getting a job?

305962 ▶▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to chaos, 3, #344 of 1899 🔗

Getting into Scotland unnoticed is probably harder than getting into Wales unnoticed. And the Isle of Man harder still. All kudos to the Scot who jet-skied there! (Still not sure if he was breaking out of Scotland, or breaking into Man?)

305988 ▶▶▶▶ arfurmo, replying to Nick Rose, #345 of 1899 🔗

A bit mad, had allegedly never jet skied before (hmm how did he have one), couldn’t swim much and almost ran out of fuel

305950 ▶▶ Janice21, replying to stefarm, 3, #346 of 1899 🔗

I always had a strong dislike for that little shit. Makes crap movies, although I do like Top Gun and will probably watch the new one.

305957 ▶▶▶ kh1485, replying to Janice21, 2, #347 of 1899 🔗

Me too. Never joined in, nor understood, the drool-fest over him when Top Gun came out.

306025 ▶▶▶ stefarm, replying to Janice21, 1, #348 of 1899 🔗

He was good when he had wonky teeth. Colour of money v good but Paul Newman acts him off the screen

306027 ▶▶▶ kenadams, replying to Janice21, #349 of 1899 🔗

I do think he has on screen charisma. There is something about him.

306137 ▶▶▶▶ stefarm, replying to kenadams, 3, #350 of 1899 🔗

It’s the wonder of L Ron Hubbard and life in the sea org. It’s good for you, builds character

306263 ▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to Janice21, #351 of 1899 🔗

And Born on the Fourth of July

306634 ▶▶▶ Spikedee1, replying to Janice21, #352 of 1899 🔗

Always disliked him, then saw the last samurai, great film. Oblivion is good too.

306141 ▶▶ Crystal Decanter, replying to stefarm, 1, #353 of 1899 🔗

South park “Trapped in the Closet” episode
Quite possibly one of the truest and funniest skits ever
Increasingly hard to find for some strange reason

306957 ▶▶ richard riewer, replying to stefarm, #354 of 1899 🔗

That’s one way to get free advertising.

305934 chaos, replying to chaos, 7, #355 of 1899 🔗

The conservatives are still destroying the people and business. Amazing.

306060 ▶▶ IanE, replying to chaos, #356 of 1899 🔗

The ‘conservatives’ are …

There – fixed it for you!

306131 ▶▶ Crystal Decanter, replying to chaos, 1, #357 of 1899 🔗

1) The Neo-Liberal Elite Party
2) The Neo Liberal Woke Party
There is no Conservative/ Labour Party in the UK

305938 Frank Wilson, replying to Frank Wilson, 3, #358 of 1899 🔗

I’m not sure your analysis what Tom C is saying is correct. The point he’s making is that not obeying the rules means that the insurance will be invalidated and they will have to halt the production.
Everyone likes to bash a celeb but fair’s fair…..

305999 ▶▶ muzzle, replying to Frank Wilson, 6, #359 of 1899 🔗

You’re right. For a lot of business, it’s not fear of the virus but fear of their business being shut down. I did a couple of days at an events company in the summer and they were reminding staff about masks as they’d had covid vigilantes posting photos of unmasked staff on trip advisor.

306965 ▶▶ richard riewer, replying to Frank Wilson, #360 of 1899 🔗

So he’s kowtowing to the pressure instead of using his clout to fight the good fight. Not a rebel after all.

305952 chaos, replying to chaos, 22, #361 of 1899 🔗

RIP the economy, most especially the entertainment sector.
RIP gainful employment especially if you are aged 50 and above.
RIP our children’s future.
RIP all those who will die early, not from Covid but the tens of thousands that will die from undiagnosed deadly conditions because of not being able to access a health care system that has forgotten its true function.
RIP freedom and democracy.

305977 ▶▶ OKUK, replying to chaos, 12, #362 of 1899 🔗

RIP Culture – built up over centuries.
RIP Sport
RIP Election integrity.

305995 ▶▶▶ Nigel Sherratt, replying to OKUK, 3, #363 of 1899 🔗

Boris talked about letting it rip.

306040 ▶▶ IanE, replying to chaos, #364 of 1899 🔗

Copied – and sent to my MP!

305955 Barney McGrew, replying to Barney McGrew, 8, #365 of 1899 🔗

Logical conclusion of the Pfizer vaccine trial: create a ‘vaccine’ that will force the recipient into bed for several months with fatigue, depression, pain. Miraculously, it will be found that they are less likely to pick up respiratory viruses. Not only that, they are less likely to be run over, drowned or struck by lightning. It’s a miracle cure!

305959 ▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to Barney McGrew, 4, #366 of 1899 🔗

All we needed was an SI from HMG telling the sheeples to do that and save the taxpayer a fortune in the process! “Do your bit, stay in bed and get paid for it. If it saves just one life.

305956 Fiat, replying to Fiat, 2, #367 of 1899 🔗

Nik Kershaw, the prophet:

“Don’t let me out of my cage, boy
‘Cos I might kill somebody

Somebody gone took my space
Too bad, too true
They’d better not show their face
What will you do?“

305975 ▶▶ annie, replying to Fiat, #368 of 1899 🔗

They won’t show their face.

305960 Panda, replying to Panda, 16, #369 of 1899 🔗

I’m usually not a violent man, but if Tom Cruise had spoken to me like that (especially about covid ‘regulations’) he would have very quickly discovered that someone not wearing a mask near him was actually the very least of his immediate health concerns.

305966 ▶▶ Dan Clarke, replying to Panda, 10, #370 of 1899 🔗

Virtue signalling extremist, #look at me following rules

305990 ▶▶ Winston Smith, replying to Panda, 4, #371 of 1899 🔗

🤣 👍🏻

306005 ▶▶ kenadams, replying to Panda, 1, #372 of 1899 🔗

Although I agree with the sentiment, Cruise is still pretty buff, so he might have given back as good as he got…

306079 ▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to kenadams, 1, #373 of 1899 🔗

He should thank his lucky stars that he wasn’t in Brixton or Tower Hamlets.

Otherwise, he would have wished that he was never born.

307227 ▶▶▶ Chris John, replying to kenadams, #374 of 1899 🔗

He’s about 3 foot tall, and I weigh in 3 times his weight.
I don’t care how much fitness he has, science and maths have him eating dirt if I plant one hit, he would need a decent dozen combo.
Plus of course his plan in a fight would go out the window at the first punch

306012 ▶▶ Will, replying to Panda, 10, #375 of 1899 🔗

Cruise has typical small man syndrome.

306113 ▶▶ Crystal Decanter, replying to Panda, #376 of 1899 🔗

He’s a homeowner
all the ones I know are neurotic SJW’s

306830 ▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to Crystal Decanter, #377 of 1899 🔗

Expand your circle of friends, CD.

306165 ▶▶ kh1485, replying to Panda, 5, #378 of 1899 🔗

Just heard on talkRADIO that several people have walked out after his bizarre rant.

305964 kenadams, replying to kenadams, 11, #379 of 1899 🔗

See the bottom of page 6 of this: https://www.redbridge.gov.uk/media/8863/rl-winter-2020.pdf .

The paper was pushed through my door yesterday, and this article really made my blood boil. For two main reasons:

  1. Since when did ‘bustling’ become a negative adjective, rather than a positive one?;
  2. The Council officer who is responsible for mental health delighting in the closing of a venue that will cause loss of income for the owners and deprive locals of the ability to enjoy themselves and socialise.

The ‘bustling’ being negative is what really got me, though. Because that is the world we now live in. When enjoyment and human interaction must be avoided at all costs.

305974 ▶▶ kh1485, replying to kenadams, 9, #380 of 1899 🔗

Council officers, for some reason, hate small businesses. I have had several run-ins over the years with Environmental Health Officers who, rather than trying to ensure businesses are safe, appear to be in the business of catching you out (they always visit at your busy time and bombard you with questions while you are trying to work). And my experience of them this year has been much, much worse. They take a vile delight in showing you who is boss and throwing their (literal) weight around. Irony is though is that the more restaurants/pubs/cafes close, the less their … ahem ‘expertise’ will be required.

305983 ▶▶▶ Dan Clarke, replying to kh1485, 5, #381 of 1899 🔗

Enforcement in all local and central government is a step into power and many who do it, love it, even the auditors who check on their colleagues clerical work revelled in it

306050 ▶▶▶ Ajb, replying to kh1485, 3, #382 of 1899 🔗

A couple of council HSE people apparently turned up at church here a couple of Sundays ago at the time of the morning service, sadly not to worship, but to make sure no rules were being broken.

307590 ▶▶▶ richard riewer, replying to kh1485, #383 of 1899 🔗

Environmental Health Officers should be picking up trash instead of trashing small businesses.

306828 ▶▶ JohnB, replying to kenadams, #384 of 1899 🔗

Nice that the shisha lounge patrons prevented plod entering, and fired off fire extinguishers at them. 🙂

305967 karenovirus, 1, #385 of 1899 🔗

9am R4 Melvyn Bragg, In Our Time.
Will be discussing Chinas Cultural Revolution.
An object lesson in what happens when an oppressed population rises against an overbearing party and state, including the educational and medical establishment.

305969 BeBopRockSteady, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 9, #386 of 1899 🔗

MAJOR NEWS IN GERMANY The PCR class action lawsuits promised by the @CoronaAusschuss have finally started! Accused of faking ‘infections’ via use of a useless PCR test is the accused @c_drosten while the representative case is a Berlin business owner see


306521 ▶▶ Silke David, replying to BeBopRockSteady, #387 of 1899 🔗

Is it major news in Germany? Are MSM reporting it?
Doubt it. Cannot be bothered to check now.

305972 PoshPanic, 1, #388 of 1899 🔗

Conspiracy Theory number 201: The Great Mitchell and Webb Reset .

Early on in the crisis, this clip from the comedy TV show “That Mitchell and Webb Look”, was shared online, highlighting the scary similarity to current events.

Remain Indoors https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wnd1jKcfBRE

While most thought it was just a bit of a laugh, I’ve become increasingly suspicious that Mitchell and Webb may have taken over the world and were secretly plotting this whole thing, whilst simultaneously giving us clues to their intentions.
I’ve spent the best part of an hour going down this rabbit hole and connected as many dots as I possibly could muster, so please take the time to research thoroughly, before dismissing this possibility. Here I produce my evidence..

Kill the poor https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=owI7DOeO_yg

Work from home https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IW3lhfVpLL4

Big Pharma https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hdHFmc9oiKY

The media https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oVItKzP6IBY
( for very technical background on this, search for “Numberwang” )

Conspiracy Theorists https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5muY64Oyp10

And finally, here they even admit they’re the bad guys..


305976 James Leary #KBF, replying to James Leary #KBF, 10, #389 of 1899 🔗

The Roundheads are going to make sure that if this is going to be Granny’s last Christmas anyway, she can damn we’ll spend it on her own. Their one and only true god, Jehcova wills it and so it shall grimly be made so. Dissenters shall be struck down – for their own good.

If I had my way, I’d bury the lot of ‘em. Then I’d dig them up and hang them. I have a little list. It’s getting quite long, now.

307231 ▶▶ Chris John, replying to James Leary #KBF, #390 of 1899 🔗

Happy to assist with any deknackering of priapic PMs and bogwashing the overly promoted milk monitor

305979 theanalyst, replying to theanalyst, 18, #391 of 1899 🔗

Any others on this site with a Chemistry Degree or similar? Got mine in Manchester. Makes my blood boil all this unscientific voodoo nonsense being used to make money and control people but dressed up as science.

305987 ▶▶ Tyneside Tigress, replying to theanalyst, 12, #392 of 1899 🔗

Yes, and I have expressed to the MP, CRG, vaccine consultation, that ‘the science’ is anything but. Mr TT, also a scientist, is an expert modeler, and he pulled apart Ferguson’s model in March. Agree with Julia HB, there is likely criminal behaviour.

305989 ▶▶ thedarkhorse, replying to theanalyst, 10, #393 of 1899 🔗

HNC medical microbiology. And yes, I’ve found it impossible to get facts across to people. Including my MP who’s a total cnut and told me my science facts were wrong re face-nappies. I’m no longer bothering trying to explain things to people. They’ve made up their minds that BBC science is truth, so there’s no hope.

306001 ▶▶▶ Tom Blackburn, replying to thedarkhorse, 4, #394 of 1899 🔗

All that’s left is to judge people harshly. The only way of getting through to people (in my experience) is to shake their foundations. ‘You are a bad person and this is why’. Electric shock therapy for the soul.

306042 ▶▶ VickyA, replying to theanalyst, 7, #395 of 1899 🔗

Yes, that’s why I look at the data and went into the false positive maths and am highly suspicious of the new miracle vaccine. Family can’t be bothered or don’t want to believe what they are told as fact is wrong. They really can’t believe they are being manipulated and when I tell them what the graphs say, they cling back to their feeble life raft of utter bollocks.
Friends on the other hand get it, that’s why you choose them!

306169 ▶▶ kf99, replying to theanalyst, 3, #396 of 1899 🔗

I wish we heard more on this from David Kurten : “He graduated with a first-class BSc in Chemistry from the University of St Andrews in 1993, …, and completed a MRes in Chemistry at the University of Southampton in 1998.[5] Before entering politics, he taught chemistry for over 15 years in both private and state schools…”

306225 ▶▶ Norman, replying to theanalyst, 2, #397 of 1899 🔗

Yes, got mine from another decent redbrick university ~45 years ago. Extermely useful throughout my career. There may be more people with a relevant BSc on here than in the UK govt.

306243 ▶▶ RickH, replying to theanalyst, 2, #398 of 1899 🔗

What is interesting about this shit-show is that the degree subject is irrelevant in terms of good science. Whitty, Van Tam and Vallance are all qualified in the natural sciences, as are others, both in SAGE and on the periphery of government grace-and-favour.

Actually, of course ‘The Science’ is a fiction in terms of a fixed body of knowledge, except in a very elementary sense. Scientific knowledge moves constantly.

What is important, and really underlies the term is the scientific method of enquiry that requires constant rational scepticism and the constant testing of hypotheses against observed reality. A surprising number of scientists in the ‘hard’ disciplines do not appear to have this ability at their core – or it is overridden by other self interests.

Confirmation bias is a common psychological mechanism – but is anathema to scientific enquiry. It is also fundamental to the current false narrative – as seen in the example of truly shit modelling that seems totally resistant to pretty easily observed falsification!

306321 ▶▶ Jay Berger, replying to theanalyst, 1, #399 of 1899 🔗

John Mugufuli has one.
He recognized the hoax pretty soon.

307238 ▶▶ dhid, replying to theanalyst, #400 of 1899 🔗

Well I stopped Biology and Chemistry after “O” Level – rather a number of years ago now….

However my analytical skills from working in Electronic manufacturing (when we still had some..) and looking at test failures and seeing what part of the process, or the parts, had failed and feeding back to improve those processes, is enough to realise what utter crap we are being told and the so called “logic” behind it! It ain’t the proverbial “Rocket Science”!

Sadly when told the real facts in simple terms, many other people seem to glaze over and throw up their hands and say “Oh it’s all beyond me…they are the experts aren’t they?”

I usually burst into tears of frustration at this point…….

305981 Aslangeo, replying to Aslangeo, 5, #401 of 1899 🔗

A few weeks ago we had a US Iraq style set of playing cards for the villains – now an equivalent deck for the heroes ( happy for additions and edits)

Ace of Spades                  – The lockdown sceptic community
Ace of Hearts                    – Lord Gumption
Ace of Diamonds             – Toby Young
Ace of Clubs                      – Brendan O’Neil (editor of Spiked) and the Spiked Online team
King of Spades                 – Karol Sicora
King of Hearts                   – Jay Bhattacharya
King of Diamonds            – Michael Levitt
King of Clubs                     – John Lee
Queen of Spades             – Julia Hartley Brewer (and Talk Radio)
Queen of Hearts              – Sunetra Gupta
Queen of Diamonds       – Claire Craig
Queen of Clubs                – Baroness Kate Hoey
Jack of Spades                  – Martin Kulldorff
Jack of Hearts                   – Neil Oliver
Jack of Diamonds            – Steve Baker and the CRG in Parliament
Jack of Hearts                   – Carl Heneghan
10 of spades                      – Mike Yeadon
10 of hearts                       – Anders Tegnell
10 of diamonds                – Ivor Cummins
10 of Clubs                         – medical whistle blowers

305997 ▶▶ Tom Blackburn, replying to Aslangeo, 1, #402 of 1899 🔗

Can I be the 2 of diamonds?

306209 ▶▶ Ben, replying to Aslangeo, 3, #403 of 1899 🔗

A few names on that list I distrust. Fake allies.

306224 ▶▶ TyRade, replying to Aslangeo, 2, #404 of 1899 🔗

Joker – Biker

306974 ▶▶ richard riewer, replying to Aslangeo, #405 of 1899 🔗

Who’s the Joker?

305982 Basileus, replying to Basileus, 19, #406 of 1899 🔗

MAJOR NEWS IN GERMANY The PCR class action lawsuits promised by the @CoronaAusschuss have finally started! Accused of faking ‘infections’ via use of a useless PCR test is the accused @c_drosten while the representative case is a Berlin business owner.


306006 ▶▶ Will, replying to Basileus, 4, #407 of 1899 🔗

Fingers crossed!!!

306032 ▶▶▶ Alice, replying to Will, 4, #408 of 1899 🔗

To all believers here – prayers needed!

306074 ▶▶ Victoria, replying to Basileus, 1, #409 of 1899 🔗

Great video

306553 ▶▶ Silke David, replying to Basileus, 1, #410 of 1899 🔗

Could you please say FROM Germany.
I have checked the big newspapers and MSM TV news, they do not report anything about this, only the “free”, criticial thinking media.
Although might have to wait until tomorrow to see MSM.

305986 Dan Clarke, replying to Dan Clarke, 11, #411 of 1899 🔗

We can all have Christmas dinner business meetings now

306008 ▶▶ PoshPanic, replying to Dan Clarke, 5, #412 of 1899 🔗

Just register Clarke Christmas Ltd and it will be official

306105 ▶▶▶ Crystal Decanter, replying to PoshPanic, 1, #413 of 1899 🔗

A BLM strategy meeting to be double plus good

305991 petgor, replying to petgor, 25, #414 of 1899 🔗

Legislation will have to ensure that coercion is not brought in by the backdoor. Legislation will have to ensure that no third party such as shops, airlines etc, can insist on vaccines. At the moment it seems, some shops are still attempting to enforce signs such as “no mask, no entry’, despite government guidelines which provide for exemptions. I know, I know such shops are discriminating, but my local council says “you take them to court at the same time warning that it will be at your own expense!

The other problem will be other countries insisting on vaccines as a means of gaining entry. So, the debate in parliament does nothing to quell my fears.

305994 ▶▶ Tyneside Tigress, replying to petgor, 17, #415 of 1899 🔗

Agree. I wouldn’t trust them at their word based on their track record of lie after lie, and U-turn after U-turn.

305996 ▶▶ Tom Blackburn, replying to petgor, 14, #416 of 1899 🔗

I don’t mind a few shops and pubs being discriminatory. They will be singled out when the inevitable backlash arrives.

306002 ▶▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Tom Blackburn, 12, #417 of 1899 🔗

Agreed, let the market decide.
I have not been back to any establishment that pissed me off with Compliance zealotry during the summer of lockdown lite.

306071 ▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to Tom Blackburn, 2, #418 of 1899 🔗

Agree. They will get their comeuppance soon.

Shan’t shed any tears for them when their either go bust or face by the wrath of the people.

306010 ▶▶ dpj, replying to petgor, 12, #419 of 1899 🔗

The fact that this is an issue at all just shows how brainwashed a large percentage of people are, ‘covid deadly, vaccine only solution’. Lots of experts who seem to know what they are talking about think potentially as many as 50% of population were immune at start and this could now be as high as 70-80% and there is plenty of evidence that 99% of population are not at risk.
In other words it doesn’t matter whether someone is vaccinated or not and they are probably not a risk to others either way anyway.

306214 ▶▶▶ RickH, replying to dpj, 1, #420 of 1899 🔗

… and then factor in the current low incidence of the virus, which the government bends over backwards to inflate.

305998 kenadams, replying to kenadams, 11, #421 of 1899 🔗

I actually think I now despise Whitty even more than Hancock (if that is even possible): https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2020/12/16/prof-chris-whitty-coronavirus-vaccines-dont-mean-end-social/#comment

306022 ▶▶ nickbowes, replying to kenadams, 5, #422 of 1899 🔗

He is a man that will be forever looking over his shoulder !

306049 ▶▶ Tom Blackburn, replying to kenadams, 1, #423 of 1899 🔗

Might top himself in the new year.

306052 ▶▶▶ kenadams, replying to Tom Blackburn, 13, #424 of 1899 🔗

He doesn’t deserve that. He deserves jail for 20 yrs, followed by a year in an old people’s home with no contact with any friends or family, and then an unnecessarily painful and invasive death with a ventilator being misused on him by the NHS.

306083 ▶▶▶▶ Tom Blackburn, replying to kenadams, 2, #425 of 1899 🔗

Couldn’t agree more

306014 ▶▶ PoshPanic, replying to alw, 3, #427 of 1899 🔗

Coming soon to Channel 5 “Caught on Cab Camera”

306126 ▶▶▶ stefarm, replying to PoshPanic, 1, #428 of 1899 🔗

I’ve seen some of those hidden camera in a taxi shows, very saucy, amazing what one can find on the interweb

307256 ▶▶▶▶ Chris John, replying to stefarm, #429 of 1899 🔗

We need to discuss your data usage on Prawnhub

306978 ▶▶▶ richard riewer, replying to PoshPanic, #430 of 1899 🔗

A new Reality TV show in the making.

306982 ▶▶▶▶ richard riewer, replying to richard riewer, #431 of 1899 🔗

Richie Allen has mentionned several times that he was thinking of broadcasting his podcast while driving around the city of Salford while interviewing his passengers.

306123 ▶▶ stefarm, replying to alw, 4, #432 of 1899 🔗

The black cab trade is fucked, over kaput. My dad is a retired black cab driver. Some of his mates are done for. Mortgage arrears, cabs re-possessed, tax bills to pay.

Thank God he has retired, I can see suicides coming, 10 years to pass the knowledge. Might as well buy a Prius and a sat nav.

Boris done hide best to ruin it as well. £60k electric scalextric cabs when any old Tom, dick or Abdul can buy a Skoda.

306158 ▶▶▶ Thomas_E, replying to stefarm, #433 of 1899 🔗

Agreed. Uber now have a full license and the other company’s are coming to feast at the carcass that is the BLACK CAB. In 5 years they will be a museum piece for the tourists, like the red phone boxes. The moment you will step of your plane or train you will have about 5 -10 different options ala Uber in their little Hybrid and Electric cars, driven by Sat navs..Rule of the jungle, you adapt or you die. The Black cabs didn’t event take card 2 years ago FFS and that is why you could not get an uber at 2 am on a Friday night for love nor money..RIP

306256 ▶▶▶▶ Jonathan Palmer, replying to Thomas_E, 2, #434 of 1899 🔗

Black cabs have taken cards for years and in the subject of Uber they began to take market share back.Why pay almost as much money to ride in a car where even with a sat nav the driver hasn’t got a clue.Remember Uber are losing billions of pounds a year while they attempt to undercut the competition.
What will destroy the cab trade is a combination of wFH the insane cycle lanes,closure of residential roads to all traffic and the continued trashing of the Travel,Tourism and hospitality Industries
Ubers business model can only work with a monopoly or driverless cars.

306297 ▶▶▶▶▶ Will, replying to Jonathan Palmer, 2, #435 of 1899 🔗

Hopefully the free market will cause the black cab drivers to up their game because, for too long, in my experience, they have taken their position for granted. The majority of cabbies are decent and straight but they really have to purge the rotten apples because there are too many of them and it has undermined the black cabs USP.

306273 ▶▶▶ Will, replying to stefarm, 1, #436 of 1899 🔗

Off topic, but the black cab drivers have not helped themselves. Plenty of good ones but also plenty of jobsworths. Used to infuriate me that a regular black cab journey, late at night so traffic not an issue and same destination would vary in route and cost by up to 70%. Plus too many stories about solitary women being told they couldn’t go to certain destinations late at night. Ask most women and they will tell you they love Uber because it actually gets them home and it is completely traceable, unlike Warboys…

307346 ▶▶▶▶ Jonathan Palmer, replying to Will, #437 of 1899 🔗

The old warbouys tripe.
There was at least one serious sexual assault a week in an Uber in London but it was all hushed up by our wonderful media.
Also there are many instances of Uber drivers using fake Ids to ply their trade.
I agree there were some rogues driving cabs who would only want to do the better jobs,but that is human nature and you will never change that and I disbelieve that a cab journey can vary by 70% with no traffic.

306986 ▶▶▶ richard riewer, replying to stefarm, #438 of 1899 🔗

I don’t think many people have thought through this electric car only plan. Taxis will most likely have to be staggered in their availability otherwise thousands of cabs could end up at charging stations at the same time.

306009 Lainey, replying to Lainey, 10, #439 of 1899 🔗

Hi guys, woke up and realised we’re still in C.L.O.W.N world.

306020 ▶▶ OldBaldGamer, replying to Lainey, 6, #440 of 1899 🔗

C ovid
L ooney
O bese
W ankcock
N ation

That’s my starter, wittier peeps on here will do better.

307004 ▶▶▶ richard riewer, replying to OldBaldGamer, #441 of 1899 🔗

This is mine for the CRTC (Canadian Radio-television and Telecommunications Commission):

306153 ▶▶ Crystal Decanter, replying to Lainey, #442 of 1899 🔗

Be sure to Honk all day long

306013 Dan Clarke, replying to Dan Clarke, 17, #443 of 1899 🔗

The Whitty comment about things not returning to ‘normal’ appears to have hit a nerve, those gullible sheep thought if they ‘behaved’ it would all be ok

306034 ▶▶ kenadams, replying to Dan Clarke, 8, #444 of 1899 🔗

This is still my one remaining hope. When there is no normal in Spring, people might, just might, start to wake up.

306063 ▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to kenadams, 4, #445 of 1899 🔗

And don’t forget more redundancies, bankruptcies and businesses going bust after the New Year. Plus Sunak has refused to rule out a tax raid on pensions and savings.

306017 nickbowes, 4, #446 of 1899 🔗
306018 alw, replying to alw, 15, #447 of 1899 🔗

Talking to a GP friend yesterday. Most GP surgeries are unsuitable for giving Pfizer vaccine. In North London the nearest centre is Pimlico. Many elderly refusing to travel to get there and also refusing vaccine saying I have reached an age where I will take my chances. They also find having to sit around for an hour after having the jab unacceptable.

Speaking with a local shopkeeper in my area who asked if I was having the vaccine when it was my chance. I replied never. He said everyone he had spoken to in the area had said the same.

And this excellent piece from Conservative Woman.

306786 ▶▶ annie, replying to alw, #448 of 1899 🔗

You evidently have some stalwart elderlies in your part of the world. Great,

306026 Voz 0db, 5, #449 of 1899 🔗

I always LOVE when scoundrels say to moron slaves

should listen to the people who have the knowledge

Clearly this approach has WORKED SO WONDERFULLY this lovely year of 2020!

This is another EVIDENCE that these scoundrels really considered each herd member a “moron slave”!

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306030 John Ballard, replying to John Ballard, 8, #450 of 1899 🔗

Chap sat opposite me at work, him and his wife have had about £400 in vouchers to be continually covid tested as part of the Covid19 Infection Survey (CIS) for the past few months. I thought he was taking the mick, but google it and its all there, outsourced by the ONS. Just shows what a massive amount of money is being wasted. We are Tier One, still waiting for the first wave ! More madness.

306065 ▶▶ Just about sane, replying to John Ballard, 4, #451 of 1899 🔗

Yip correct. I know someone that’s in the Oxford study, they are paid if my memory is correct, £25 for the first test and £10 or £15 every test there after. Each. They’re religious covid fanatics and true believers and feel privileged to be asked.

I tell everyone when I tell stories like this, if I had a tenner for every time I have repeated this statement in 2020 I would be rich, ‘you could not write this, unblooody believable.’

306086 ▶▶ Smelly Melly, replying to John Ballard, 1, #452 of 1899 🔗

My sister in law who lives in Wales is on some scheme and gets £50/week for having a swab test and telling them who she’s been in contact with.

306184 ▶▶▶ Victoria, replying to Smelly Melly, 3, #453 of 1899 🔗

Collaborator. All for money

306760 ▶▶ annie, replying to John Ballard, #454 of 1899 🔗

They obviously like it up ’em.

306031 Sarigan, replying to Sarigan, 19, #455 of 1899 🔗

A fellow sceptic just messaged me with this next level insanity:

Walking the dog along a fenced lane. Young woman coming the other way with a baby in some kind of contraption on her chest. Clocks me and pins herself against the fence. Starts pointing at me to do the same on the otherside. I ignore this obvs. As i walk past i hear this drone noise. She has some kind of contraption on the baby blowing air away from their faces. Now am I insane or is she?

306066 ▶▶ arfurmo, replying to Sarigan, 6, #456 of 1899 🔗

I was walking along a country path about 2 yards wide . Two people with a dog stop and face the field until I’ve passed. They looked as if they were in their forties.

306146 ▶▶▶ FenTyger, replying to arfurmo, 6, #457 of 1899 🔗

Had similar earlier in year, woman walking along road a mile from anywhere. Strong wind blowing from her to us, puts muzzle on 100 yards away then removes it after passing. I’m picking blackberries behind hedge and laughing at the sheer stupidity. By the way she’s in full walking gear boots, rucksack etc. What is in these peoples heads?

306161 ▶▶▶▶ Thomas_E, replying to FenTyger, 3, #458 of 1899 🔗

Fear…pure fear!

306138 ▶▶ Moomin, replying to Sarigan, 9, #459 of 1899 🔗

My daughter and I were running along the canal on Tuesday and we were approaching a twentyish woman coming the other way, as she saw us approaching she put her mask on so that it would be on as we ran by! It’s not insanity, it’s the new normal, oh wait…the new normal is INSANITY!

306334 ▶▶▶ Two-Six, replying to Moomin, 2, #460 of 1899 🔗

I cycled past a couple in their late 50’s at a guess, they looked like Tubs and Edward out of League Of Gentlemen. Tubs cringed as tubs would do screwing up her face and turning her head away, cowering in fear at “THE CYCLISTS EDWARD!” as I passed by slowly giving them loads of room, and saying “Don’t worry it’s perfectly safe, I am holding my breath” it was stunning.
Quite funny too in a very disturbing kind of way.

306388 ▶▶▶▶ Waldorf, replying to Two-Six, 2, #461 of 1899 🔗

She went back and cleansed the precious things of the shop after the fiery orb in the sky went down.

306268 ▶▶ Edward, replying to Sarigan, 2, #462 of 1899 🔗

Recently I was walking along a wide path in the open air and noticed a bloke coming towards me with a big mask covering most of his face. I couldn’t resist putting my newspaper over my face as I passed him and saying loudly “Scary scary scary!”

306787 ▶▶ annie, replying to Sarigan, #463 of 1899 🔗

An extreme case, an ultrazombie squared.

306037 Moomin, replying to Moomin, #464 of 1899 🔗

Is it true that Sweden is now having a ‘harder’ lockdown?

306043 ▶▶ Tom Blackburn, replying to Moomin, #465 of 1899 🔗

No. More recommendations was my understanding.

306132 ▶▶▶ Moomin, replying to Tom Blackburn, #466 of 1899 🔗

Thanks both.

306104 ▶▶ Crystal Decanter, replying to Moomin, 2, #467 of 1899 🔗

none of my friends in Goteborg have noticed any difference

306255 ▶▶ Will, replying to Moomin, #468 of 1899 🔗


306041 alw, replying to alw, 16, #469 of 1899 🔗

Vanessa Bailey


So, after Tobias Elwood went to a Christmas Party for 27 people on Tuesday evening and then told us all the next morning how CAREFUL we need to be over Christmas as the virus is SO dangerous I think we can all understandably say we’ve had enough of this made-up codswallop now.

306056 ▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to alw, 4, #470 of 1899 🔗

He’s one who should be hung, drawn and quartered when this shit show is over. Not only for this Christmas party but for a multitude of sins.

306189 ▶▶▶ Darryl, replying to Bart Simpson, 1, #471 of 1899 🔗

I am sure he will be Sir Tobias Elwood within the next couple of years. The system rewards their own.

306300 ▶▶▶ Basics, replying to Bart Simpson, #472 of 1899 🔗

Refresh my memory, is hung drawn and quartered the one where entrails are used to hitch the live carcass to a cart and the live person is dragged through the streets with crows, rooks and ravens allowed to feed on the remains?

306480 ▶▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to Basics, #473 of 1899 🔗
306070 ▶▶ Thomas_E, replying to alw, 4, #474 of 1899 🔗

Back in the goo old days he would be sat down with a revolver and a single bullet. For an officer there was only one honorable way out..But he is a cunt that has never even been close to combat so a baseball batt for him

306107 ▶▶ stefarm, replying to alw, 3, #475 of 1899 🔗

77b do as as I say and not as I do

306183 ▶▶ Darryl, replying to alw, 3, #476 of 1899 🔗

Amazes me how people continuously choose to ignore the behaviour of the elite they seem to look up to. Several of the lockdown zealots heroes have been caught out over the past couple of weeks, but they seem to be instantly forgiven.

We can safely assume less than 1% of the misdeeds are caught on camera and as many wealthy people socialise in private clubs and on private estates we know they will never be exposed.

306754 ▶▶ annie, replying to alw, #477 of 1899 🔗

How are the zombies incorporating this into their dead brains?

306045 Zak Thelotofem, replying to Zak Thelotofem, 4, #478 of 1899 🔗

The cycle threshold (Ct) value is the number of cycles needed for the virus to be detected from the person’s sample . The higher the Ct value the smaller the amount of virus present in the sample. Most medical experts agree that Ct values over 33 likely indicate non-infectious, non-contagious levels of the virus. In practice, for example, the country of India only triages (treats or closely monitors) cases where the Ct values are less than 25.
Routine government collection and detailed reporting of this data can be enormously helpful in determining public policy, and in informing patients and their doctors when it comes to determining more appropriate individual quarantine and medical treatment regimens.

Why aren’t Ct values routinely released with the ‘case’ results?

306187 ▶▶ RickH, replying to Zak Thelotofem, 3, #479 of 1899 🔗

Why aren’t Ct values routinely released with the ‘case’ results?”

Ooooo …. that’s a tough one! 🙂

Actually, a cut-off of Ct=20 would be realistic. 45 is in the realms of he totally ridiculous.

306047 Mike, replying to Mike, #480 of 1899 🔗

The letter to the BMJ is hilarious and in a bad way. Eshani King (“Evidence based Research in Immunology and Health”) makes a long series of very well made, reasonable and skeptical points. It would be worthy of an essay here on lockdownsceptics. But then we reach the final paragraph and see this:

It seems that only the extrication of science from industry by introduction of independent sources of funding for scientific research institutions, perhaps by levying a brand-new tax on industry, will allow the nation’s best scientists an independent voice and put an end to the suppression of good science, together with the mistrust and conflict it generates.

How on earth did they manage to conclude that this is the fault of industry , when from day zero lockdowns and the corruption of science King decries has been driven almost exclusively by epidemiologists? How many epidemiologists work in industry? I think that’s close to zero. How many work in academia, and are thus already funded by a tax on industry? All of them!

It’s often said that academia is in the grip of hard leftism. Nowhere can this be more clearly seen than in letters like that one. After a long series of condemnations of bad science and bad politics, she concludes that what the world needs is more government funded research. Astounding.

306289 ▶▶ Major Panic, replying to Mike, 1, #481 of 1899 🔗

who funds epidemiologists?
maybe a tax on big pharma, instead of them funding r&d directly

306055 Simon Dutton, 6, #482 of 1899 🔗

And would that also be the same Lt Col. Tobias Ellwood who is reservist in 77th Brigade?

What a charmer.

306057 Arnie, replying to Arnie, 8, #483 of 1899 🔗

Whoever wrote this deserves a medal, unfortunately I think their family will be charged for the bullet to the head:


Totally hits the nail on the head for me, even explains why the government(s) inexplicably let some things go.

If you read one thing today I recommend this article.


306196 ▶▶ Seansaighdeoir, replying to Arnie, #484 of 1899 🔗

Yeah its a good article. Was on Off-Guardian a few weeks back I believe.

306061 Bill Hickling, replying to Bill Hickling, 7, #485 of 1899 🔗

We learn this morning that the NHS has 11,000 fewer beds than this time last year because of Covid separation. So why are they not using the Nightingale hospitals?

306136 ▶▶ Seansaighdeoir, replying to Bill Hickling, 6, #486 of 1899 🔗

I believe they shut them down? Why no one in the media is focusing on that I don’t know. They spent a great deal of money to create them and then over the summer knowing that there would a respiratory increase going into Autumn had already apparently closed them. If nothing else its incompetence.

306181 ▶▶▶ Victoria, replying to Seansaighdeoir, 2, #487 of 1899 🔗

Something about the fact that these hospitals are only suited for intubated patients (comatose and not bale to get out of bed) – no ablution facilities

306208 ▶▶▶▶ Jonny S., replying to Victoria, 1, #488 of 1899 🔗

Surley as these hospitals are mostly conversions of existing buildings this is an isssue that could be easily remedied by chucking another few million at it.

306192 ▶▶▶ TheBluePill, replying to Seansaighdeoir, 2, #489 of 1899 🔗

I think you’ll find that the Nightingales served their purpose very well, further lining the pockets of the rich and buying valuable influence. The cost of decommissioning was also well received, and no doubt soon someone will need paying again to kit them out once more. It is blatant and right under our noses.

306178 ▶▶ RickH, replying to Bill Hickling, 2, #490 of 1899 🔗

Indeed. It’s been obvious to me for a long time – obviously you can’t create more separation without losing beds.

So yes, to keep capacity even level, you have to find extra space.

306240 ▶▶▶ Marialta, replying to RickH, 1, #491 of 1899 🔗

There is also the issue of staffing. The NHS does not have enough qualified in critical care to to utilise the facilities.

306198 ▶▶ Jonny S., replying to Bill Hickling, 4, #492 of 1899 🔗

Heard from a friend that the NHS have asked straff to stop using the Track and Trace app as the are so short of staff. Last time I looked, about 80,000 staff off with about 30,000 due to covid and self isolation.
It is my opinion that we are all paying the price, greatly in part due to the criminally bad management of the NHS which we as tax payers fund to the tune of Billions every year.

306275 ▶▶ Crystal Decanter, replying to Bill Hickling, 3, #493 of 1899 🔗

The NHS needs to collapse at this point – it cannot be reformed
Can’t wait to see the look on the clapping supine seals faces when it happens

306067 malasdair, replying to malasdair, 20, #494 of 1899 🔗

Yesterday afternoon, I took a stroll through my neighborhood in Geneva, Switzerland, and was amazed to see only one person wearing a mask outdoors. I thought I had been transported to a different universe! It felt great…the small things that can make one happy nowadays.

306276 ▶▶ Edward, replying to malasdair, #495 of 1899 🔗

I had the pleasure of visiting Geneva on holiday in June 2019.

306078 Tom Blackburn, replying to Tom Blackburn, 4, #496 of 1899 🔗

No leaks on the Tiers announcement. Wanksock buzzing off the power and control at this exact moment in time, I am sure.

306101 ▶▶ Thomas_E, replying to Tom Blackburn, 1, #497 of 1899 🔗

Who gives a shit..like anybody even follows any of the Tier restrictions. The pubs in London now just give you take away beer from a hatch..16th century style. I hope hey survive.

306116 ▶▶▶ Tom Blackburn, replying to Thomas_E, 7, #498 of 1899 🔗

I give a shit. I’d like a pint and meal out this weekend if that is okay with you?

306167 ▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to Tom Blackburn, 3, #499 of 1899 🔗

No doubt cracking one off, or maybe two if he has time. I expect he will, he doesn’t strike me as someone who lasts long.

307278 ▶▶▶ Chris John, replying to Nick Rose, #500 of 1899 🔗

Hancock: verb- pokey bum wank

306080 Thomas_E, replying to Thomas_E, 12, #501 of 1899 🔗

Look, I’ts great news and all about the Mandatory Vaccine bill but let me piss on your parade a little. This is a minor setback for them as why would they even go down that route as it would lead to inevitable massive pushback and possibly riots. That would be a bad idea and they know it. Better just make your life impossible by not taking it..They will say: ” Of course, we respect your bodily autonomy and the freedom to chose, we would never impose this on you..You just can’t get to work , use public transport, go on holiday, go and see a footbal game, museum, theater, travel and enter any shops. But it’s all your choice, you are free, free to live a lapper of the society .. Job done, your fucked, they win…Next!!!

306129 ▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to Thomas_E, 8, #502 of 1899 🔗

Too many are aware of that possibility for it to fly. Second, the debate wasn’t about making vaccines mandatory, but to “prevent any restrictions on those who refuse a Covid-19 vaccination”. All of the debate will be recorded in Hansard.

No wriggle room.

306172 ▶▶ Victoria, replying to Thomas_E, 2, #503 of 1899 🔗

Great post!!!

306177 ▶▶ Crystal Decanter, replying to Thomas_E, 2, #504 of 1899 🔗

Underrated post
Discrimination is a sword that cuts both ways
Unless they amend the Equalities/Discrimination Act ( don’t give them ideas ) they are all fooked
let the £££ roll in

306252 ▶▶ stefarm, replying to Thomas_E, 2, #505 of 1899 🔗

IMO it’s a smokescreen to keep us inline and on the hook. My concern is the mandatory testing 24/7, sheople will be more willing to accept the testing over a vaccine.

Message will be, to keep everyone safe take a test, which leads to 24hr surveillance, social credits.

306087 Voz 0db, 3, #506 of 1899 🔗

The Pfizer Vaccine’s Side Effects

Side Effects from inoculation are a POSITIVE sign, my fellow slaves! It just means that you’re properly artificially infected with a GM virus and intoxicated with other crap…

REJOICE… The vaccine works!

306091 Biggles, replying to Biggles, 18, #507 of 1899 🔗

I see that Macron has tested positive for Covid 19. It’s almost like lockdowns, social distancing, curfews etc don’t work.

306191 ▶▶ Ben, replying to Biggles, 2, #508 of 1899 🔗

Oh dear. He’ll have to self isolate with his army of staff in Versailles for six months. Poor man

306250 ▶▶ Will, replying to Biggles, 3, #509 of 1899 🔗

And I imagine he keeps his mask on when he is seeing to his mother, sorry wife.

306253 ▶▶▶ stefarm, replying to Will, 1, #510 of 1899 🔗


306284 ▶▶ thinkaboutit, replying to Biggles, 2, #511 of 1899 🔗

So his silly poseur’s mask didn’t work. Haha.

306298 ▶▶ dhpaul, replying to Biggles, 1, #512 of 1899 🔗

It couldn’t happen to a nicer bloke!

307091 ▶▶ richard riewer, replying to Biggles, #513 of 1899 🔗

To what degree of severity has he tested positive and at what PCR level?

306093 Old Bill, 11, #514 of 1899 🔗

You just gotta laugh haven’t you. Yesterday Heathrow airport wins a court case for its third runway, today an announcement arrives that a rare and hitherto undiscovered fungus has been found there:


By Monday – if it takes that long – Heathrow becomes an SSSI and all development is outlawed.

Jobs a good’un!

Repeat after me until you believe it: “There is no agenda, there is no agenda”

Would anyone who lives near there like to go an collect some spores from this fungus and spread them all along the route of the HS2 and really do the country a favour?

Of course if you did that they wouldn’t be so rare then would they, so we wouldn’t need to stop building the nations least useful and most damaging white elephant of modern times.

306094 Bruce Reynolds, replying to Bruce Reynolds, 28, #515 of 1899 🔗

Good morning sceptics next Tuesday I’m attending a funeral where I’m told their has been some arguments over mask exemptions on entering the chapel… could this be my finest performance to date the plan B blackout special will it receive the lord’s blessing,let’s wait and see….

306114 ▶▶ Jonathan Palmer, replying to Bruce Reynolds, 3, #516 of 1899 🔗

I’ve been to a funeral.Exempt works there too.

306361 ▶▶ Two-Six, replying to Bruce Reynolds, 2, #517 of 1899 🔗

Oh no, a blackout into the tressel table supporting “the box”, knocking it over causing it to pop open and divulge it’s content unceremoniously and noisly onto the floor with a dull thump.
Then silence……
This is a Chris Morris Sketch or Something that would work in The Office or League of Gentlemen.

306620 ▶▶ arfurmo, replying to Bruce Reynolds, #518 of 1899 🔗

No issue at the one I was at .

306095 Voz 0db, replying to Voz 0db, 12, #519 of 1899 🔗

distinction between COVID-19 and COVID-19 pneumonia

And again with the same stupidity!

There is NO DISTINCTION! Pneumonia is pneumonia…

I already tested this stupid notion of label “COVID-19” being a special type of pneumonia, by sending the following image to a few scoundrel experts on lung diseases, asking them “ Which one is the CT for “COVID-19”? “.

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The so-called “experts” and “those with knowledge” CANNOT TELL which is the special one!

No surprise here…

306920 ▶▶ Nobody2020, replying to Voz 0db, #520 of 1899 🔗

Why do some of them look like the Dan Dare Mekon sneezing?

307205 ▶▶ dhid, replying to Voz 0db, 1, #521 of 1899 🔗

They actually are “x spurts” of course – “x” being the unknown factor and “spurt” a drip under pressure…..

306098 Smelly Melly, replying to Smelly Melly, 6, #522 of 1899 🔗

I heard that a good percentage of the SAGE group are social scientists and not what I’d call proper scientists. Social science being the study of how societies interact, in other words how to manipulate the sheeple.

Does anybody know how many Social Scientists are on SAGE and is this another lie from government saying they are following the science?

306150 ▶▶ RickH, replying to Smelly Melly, #523 of 1899 🔗

I think you’re conflating SAGE with the SPI-B sub-group.

There are good and bad scientists from both the natural and the social sciences; the division isn’t about the field of study. The main collaborators in the propaganda events all have a background in the natural sciences.

306152 ▶▶ David Grimbleby, replying to Smelly Melly, 2, #524 of 1899 🔗

They have ‘ Psych this and Psych that’ on their so called qualifications.

307098 ▶▶▶ richard riewer, replying to David Grimbleby, #525 of 1899 🔗

They are all psyched out.

306175 ▶▶ Victoria, replying to Smelly Melly, #526 of 1899 🔗

Social Scientists

Think they study public health/ politics or something like that

306100 James Leary #KBF, replying to James Leary #KBF, 14, #527 of 1899 🔗

Today’s Spectator leader, whilst being a bit complacent with the state of the nation, comes out with the following quote.

”Professor Jonathan Van-Tam, the deputy chief medical officer, has observed that his ‘priority list’ for vaccination — essentially the over-50s and certain at-risk groups — will protect 99 per cent of those likely to die from the virus”.

So – we’re going to get a potentially problematic vaccine to produce ….. the same result as we have now, without it? WTF? Or am I being thick? Again?

306110 ▶▶ RickH, replying to James Leary #KBF, 13, #528 of 1899 🔗

Van Tam – another from the Big Pharma stable.

306127 ▶▶ Moomin, replying to James Leary #KBF, 8, #529 of 1899 🔗

Yep, you’re absolutely right. It’ll protect the 0.1 percent! Complete madness.

306103 Mutineer, replying to Mutineer, 11, #530 of 1899 🔗

No mandatory vaccinations? Are they kidding? It has already started. My private hip replacement, already postponed due to the NHS taking over their facilities even though they didn’t use them. I made it clear I would not have the nose swab but would have a throat swab. The preparations continued but every time I rang for clarification I was fobbed off with ‘Not sure’. Finally, I insisted on a firm response and 5 minutes later was phoned and told ‘No swab, no surgery’. I had hoped to get the hip done before vaccination becomes a prerequisite of surgery but they’ve already made a useless test that could damage my nose obligatory. It’s my opinion that, although the vaccine won’t be ‘mandatory’ those refusing will not be able to attend GP’s, dentists, hospitals as well as being unable to travel etc. I was even honed by a patronising ‘I’m a nurse and you’re being very silly’ type of woman but they refuse to cover me if any damage is done because I, the patient, will have signed knowing any risks. The removal of all our rights by stealth.

306111 ▶▶ Tom Blackburn, replying to Mutineer, 10, #531 of 1899 🔗

They are breaking the law with this ‘no test, no treatment’ mandate.

306115 ▶▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to Tom Blackburn, 4, #532 of 1899 🔗

They are. Sue.

307060 ▶▶▶▶ Jo Dominich -, replying to Nick Rose, 1, #533 of 1899 🔗

Yep I would definitely take legal action. If you require surgery they cannot put conditions on that especially as those conditions are not legal. Let them know this because I can tell you that, the only thing the NHS respond to are serious complaints followed by a complaint to the Ombudsman.

Send them a Letter Before Action. You’ll get your op. Because they know they haven’t got a legal leg to stand on.

306207 ▶▶▶ Jonathan Palmer, replying to Tom Blackburn, 7, #534 of 1899 🔗

Rule of law ended on March 23rd

307100 ▶▶▶ richard riewer, replying to Tom Blackburn, #535 of 1899 🔗

Thumbing their noses at the Hippocratic Oath. Sacrilege!

306125 ▶▶ Lms23, replying to Mutineer, 1, #536 of 1899 🔗

If it’s any help, my OH had to have two CV19 swab tests which were both nose swabs. Neither was particularly invasive and weren’t painful or uncomfortable. The early swab tests were all three, but that’s not what they’re doing now.
Both tests came back negative.
If i were you, I would consent to the nose swabs. They’re treating CV19 as they would MRSA, and they screen all patients who are due to go into hospital for surgery for MRSA for obvious reasons.

306139 ▶▶▶ RickH, replying to Lms23, 3, #537 of 1899 🔗

I disagree about the invasiveness of the nasal PCR swab. Perhaps I have a particularly sensitive nose – but it is exceedingly unpleasant – and I’m no wuss, having done MRSA swabs on a regular basis.

306782 ▶▶▶▶ Mutineer, replying to RickH, 1, #538 of 1899 🔗

My reason for refusal is that I’ve had 2 previous nasal surgeries and have been hospitalised twice with torrential nosebleeds. My nose is agony anyway. I have constant sinus issues and a constantly running nose. It runs when I eat, when I shower, when I brush my teeth. If there really was a deadly pandemic perhaps I would comply but I am risking damage which would be at my own risk for a useless and woefully bad and inaccurate test for an invented virus.

306128 ▶▶ RickH, replying to Mutineer, 13, #539 of 1899 🔗

Both the vaccination and the PCR swab raise fundamental questions of medical ethics, although each raises its own issues.

I have a major concern with PCR nasal swabbing, since it is an intrusive and unpleasant procedure that has no benefit to the patient or the wider health environment, given its inaccuracy.

It is a flagrant breach of the Nuremberg protocols.

306478 ▶▶▶ Stringfellow Hawke, replying to RickH, #540 of 1899 🔗

Correct. Nuremberg states, “The voluntary consent of the human subject is absolutely essential.”

It is also against the UNESCO Universal declaration on Human Rights, Article 6(1) “Any preventative, diagnostic, & therapeutic medical intervention is only to be carried out with the prior, free and informed consent of the person concerned… without disadvantage or prejudice.

As Nick Rose advised above – sue them.

307105 ▶▶▶▶ richard riewer, replying to Stringfellow Hawke, #541 of 1899 🔗

Send these docs to Matt, Chris, Boris and Pat. And anyone else you can think of.

306290 ▶▶ Dorian_Hawkmoon, replying to Mutineer, #542 of 1899 🔗

I think there are going to have to be legal test cases where medical care is being withheld unless an arbitrary infection test is done without indication. It’s also a matter for the professions.

306109 Banjones, replying to Banjones, 4, #543 of 1899 🔗

Won’t it be the case that the government needn’t make it mandatory – because private firms will do so for them?

306135 ▶▶ Thomas_E, replying to Banjones, #544 of 1899 🔗

Yes, see my post.

306238 ▶▶ Will, replying to Banjones, 3, #545 of 1899 🔗

Baker’s comparison to Hotels and nordilator bakers not being able to discriminate against same sex couples is apposite. It is a very clear statement that discrimination against unvaccinated people will be illegal in the UK.

306479 ▶▶▶ Simon Dutton, replying to Will, #546 of 1899 🔗


306118 FenTyger, replying to FenTyger, 5, #547 of 1899 🔗

The wonderful Alok Sharma has published a new “energy White Paper” called “Powering our Net Zero Future” see Spiked


It only takes until page two to get in “ Build Back Better

306163 ▶▶ chaos, replying to FenTyger, 4, #548 of 1899 🔗

Private school, short, smug.. he’s the epitome of career politician. A physics with electronics degree from the University of Salford does not save him.

306185 ▶▶ Ben, replying to FenTyger, 5, #549 of 1899 🔗

Better for who?

306200 ▶▶ Jonathan Palmer, replying to FenTyger, 8, #550 of 1899 🔗

The curtain is being opened and we can see the wizard.Our wonderful green carbon zero future awaits.
Anyone who still believes this is about a virus is not paying attention or is wilfully ignorant.
The tracking and surveillance will be used to counter any opposition to their lunatic plans.

306309 ▶▶ mhcp, replying to FenTyger, 3, #551 of 1899 🔗

What’s funny is that now the Watermelons are embracing nuclear because they’ve suddenly discovered energy density and dispatchability, two of the requirements for a stable and reliable energy grid, and two things that solar and wind just cannot provide without absurd batteries or hydro. But this hasn’t stopped the scarring of the countryside with idiotic farms and windmills. If you want to use solar use it at a micro level and you’ll simply adjust to it. Essentially off-grid. But don’t think for a second it can run a society.

People lose all sight of logic when going green. The space industry is almost all solar with some nuclear (thermal generators) and when you don’t point to the Sun you lose all power and are effectively dead. Also you also lose about 15% in transmission losses. So there has been a fantastic example of the fragility of solar in an environment where you can’t but get pure sunshine.

307053 ▶▶ Jo Dominich -, replying to FenTyger, 2, #552 of 1899 🔗

I think too much store is being set by this Build Back Better slogan. As far as I’m concerned, putting my ex Management Consultant’s hat on, it’s not viable, it’s just a slogan which means nothing and no more than a soundbite. The proposals behind it are pie in the sky thinking. It’s all going to end in tears for Johnson and his cabal of power, that’s for sure. It’s easy to be negative because of the relentless tsunami of propaganda, draconian censorship, fake news etc. The reality is, a growing number of people are now pretty fed up of all this shit. I’ve noticed a definite increase in anger levels in the petrol station clients and it is palpable. Even some of the staff who bought into it all are truly fed up now as are their families. It all just disappears under the Propaganda and Censorship but it is there alright. It is being suppressed but not well enough. They’ve pushed people too far with this now. It’s been going on for a year. Everytime things remotely look as they are getting back to normal and people start to get out and about and enjoy themselves then back come the restrictions. They can’t have people getting together now can they? It’s a very precarious ponzi scheme of lies that is teetering. A massive push by the Tory Backbench rebels would tip the balance. I’m hoping there will be more and more Labour and Liberal Democrat back bench revolutionaries too.

307147 ▶▶▶ Norman, replying to Jo Dominich -, #553 of 1899 🔗

My 2nd cousin and partner, who I see once or twice a year, think ‘this will never end’. 5 months ago, they were cautious about socialising and we haven’t met at all since 2019, but in July they thought it would be over before Xmas.

When I’ve got time I’ll send her a v. short e-mail with some good evidence. If we’d all do our best to inform open-minded but poorly-informed relatives, it would spread awareness.

306119 Melangell, replying to Melangell, 44, #554 of 1899 🔗

Feeling close to tears of hurt and anger as I was planning to go round and drop off Christmas card and prezzie to a couple of people I thought were good friends tomorrow. Envisioned coming in for a chat as usual, but was told I would not be allowed in as they are not allowing anyone “over the threshold” because “another household” ie their daughter and fiancee are arriving this weekend. This does not make sense to me as no-one is ill or vulnerable (although the hubby is 78). The wife (whom I thought was a good friend) said we could “chat on the doorstep.” No way to argue when sending a text….I just said I’d drop the stuff at the gate (so I don’t have to see them at all.) As a single person I just felt so rejected by their oh-so-cheery but oh-so-callous exclusion.

306124 ▶▶ Moomin, replying to Melangell, 24, #555 of 1899 🔗

Really feel for you, we’ve had to stand out in the rain and chat to ‘friends’ in the past. We got absolutely soaked, it was complete insanity and they’re on the sceptical side but still didn’t even offer to invite us in. It is this kind of irrational behaviour that I simply cannot understand, I’m not sure I’ll ever recover from what I’ve experienced to be honest.

306154 ▶▶▶ Melangell, replying to Moomin, 10, #556 of 1899 🔗

Truly unbelievable and yes, it’s the irrationality that makes one want to scream.

306279 ▶▶▶ Kev, replying to Moomin, 4, #557 of 1899 🔗

Maybe you should have said, either you invite us in out of this rain or our friendship is over, put it on them.

Friends of ours dropped a card round at the weekend and we invited them in (it wasn’t raining), they declined, thats fine, it was their choice. Because, you guessed.

She’s had it (apparently) but can’t wait for the vaccine – I just couldn’t be bothered, it would have just turned into an argument!

307032 ▶▶▶ Jo Dominich -, replying to Moomin, 2, #558 of 1899 🔗

You will recover because you are still on this site and fighting as we all are. Whether we achieve anything through it or not, I’m not going to give up because I want to hold my head up in pride that I resisted by my actions alongside people on this site and the guys at OffG and others out there. They won’t recover thought because they have been heavily duped and brainwashed and they haven’t the intelligence to see the truth or don’t want to see it. A pile of doggy doo is coming their way, all these sheeples, and by then, it will be too late.

As the President of Belarus said, Better to stand and fight and die a hero than die a coward on your knees. How true. I stay positive because I am, to the best of my ability, doing something to resist all this, however small it is. It’s a fight to the death. Somehow, I think we will get there sooner rather than later.

306133 ▶▶ Thomas_E, replying to Melangell, 19, #559 of 1899 🔗

I feel for you. I really do. But now at least know where you stand with so called ” friends”. You can see who you real friends are in a time of crisis. I have been culling since March. Stay strong,

306151 ▶▶▶ Melangell, replying to Thomas_E, 20, #560 of 1899 🔗

Thanks – its particularly hard because I don’t have that many friends around here in my Welsh valley because I lived abroad for 28 years and after moving here my husband died plus don’t have a family. Oh well, it’s not quantity, it’s quality. 🙂

306306 ▶▶▶▶ Sodastream, replying to Melangell, 3, #561 of 1899 🔗

Wish you lived near us we would ah e you round but we’re in the East Midlands. It is quality not quantity you’re right

306344 ▶▶▶▶▶ Melangell, replying to Sodastream, 2, #562 of 1899 🔗

Awww thanks!

306142 ▶▶ Lms23, replying to Melangell, 18, #563 of 1899 🔗

I had the same thing yesterday, but i was expecting it. My neighbours are mainly CV19 believers, and i knew I wasn’t going to be invited in. We had a quick chat on the doorstep, and was told by one that we’d get together “when this is all over.” I didn’t like to say that I’m not sure it will ever be over.
You’re not alone in how you feel. You’re in good company here.

306148 ▶▶▶ Melangell, replying to Lms23, 8, #564 of 1899 🔗

I guess I was just not expecting it, so it was a bit of a shock. Most people around where I live are not like that. Thanks for support!

307036 ▶▶▶ Jo Dominich -, replying to Lms23, 3, #565 of 1899 🔗

Whatever the sinister politics behind all this are, one things for sure, they keep putting back the end date so now it’s gone from Easter to the end of April. I guess whatever it is they are planning is not playing out as they want it to. That’s why I think their position is very weak and the only way they can maintain their narrative is to keep applying these severe bully boy tactics which don’t somehow, seem to apply to them (Ellwood, Jenricks etc)

306160 ▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to Melangell, 8, #566 of 1899 🔗

I feel for you. Have a friend who refused to meet up even after I’ve offered to come to her neck of the woods especially after I learned that she was happy to meet someone else.

I would pull back if I were you then when they ask why you’ve been MIA, tell them the truth.

306204 ▶▶▶ Melangell, replying to Bart Simpson, 5, #567 of 1899 🔗

Thanks, Bart. Planning to let the “friendship” go after this year.

306170 ▶▶ Crystal Decanter, replying to Melangell, 6, #568 of 1899 🔗

Feels bad man
No-body I know is taking the blind bit of notice of Rapists Dad here in Whales

306193 ▶▶▶ Melangell, replying to Crystal Decanter, 2, #569 of 1899 🔗

Very glad to hear that Crystal as I was horrified to read Dungfilth is making gatherings between two households over Christmas illegal here in gwlag Wales. Which more enlightened neck of the woods are you in??

306216 ▶▶▶▶ Crystal Decanter, replying to Melangell, 5, #570 of 1899 🔗

Main family in Aberdare – all devout Labour
All telling Rapists Dad to go fist himself
No wonder he wants to postpone the election

306237 ▶▶▶▶▶ Melangell, replying to Crystal Decanter, 1, #571 of 1899 🔗


307173 ▶▶▶▶▶ James Hargrave, replying to Crystal Decanter, #572 of 1899 🔗

He wouldn’t know how or where.

307112 ▶▶▶▶ richard riewer, replying to Melangell, #573 of 1899 🔗

Just ignore him.

306199 ▶▶ Mike, replying to Melangell, 19, #574 of 1899 🔗

If nothing else this whole $hit show has shown a lot of peoples true colours. The so long as ‘I’m alright Jack’ brigade are far more numerous than I ever imagined.

Speaking as someone who would class themselves as quite selfish and antisocial person, I have been amazed this year at how those around me who would normally lambaste me for being heartless, seem to have switched rolls? Its me who now genuinely worries about the loss of small businesses, people loosing jobs, mental health, loss of freedoms etc, and these people couldn’t careless so long as it doesn’t effect them?

306261 ▶▶▶ PoshPanic, replying to Mike, 5, #575 of 1899 🔗

I don’t want to loose good friends over this, but there are a few “I’m alright jacks”, I won’t be spending anymore time with.

306280 ▶▶▶ dhpaul, replying to Mike, 8, #576 of 1899 🔗

Mike, I would totally describe myself as you do yourself. I find myself not wanting to bother even talking to people I have known for years, because they are clearly living on a different planet to me.

306316 ▶▶▶ Sodastream, replying to Mike, 3, #577 of 1899 🔗

Hear hear!

306318 ▶▶▶ mhcp, replying to Mike, 2, #578 of 1899 🔗

You should purge the idea that being selfish is bad. Looking after yourself first is the most important thing any person can do. Because it requires discipline and consistency and doesn’t lend itself to being a dick. People who want you to be nicer and give more to others very often don’t have their lives in order. Projection abounds.

As Adam Smith wrote, when a business is selfish in its pursuit of quality it raises the standard of everyone else. Hence the Invisible Hand.

Never compromise yourself because as you’ve pointed out it allows you time to actually empathise and feel compassion of your fellow man.

306245 ▶▶ Dave Angel Eco Warrier, replying to Melangell, 6, #579 of 1899 🔗

It is difficult and one of the worst unseen consequences of the lockdown policies that great friendships and even family relationships are breaking down. I am trying my hardest to not let this happen despite the situation. As in everyting else in life I am quite happy to have major differences with my friends and kin without it affecting our existing relationship. That the government and MSM have actively pitched people against each other to be ‘with us or against us’ or ‘good v evil’ is dispicable and unforgivable in my book.

306293 ▶▶▶ Melangell, replying to Dave Angel Eco Warrier, 2, #580 of 1899 🔗

I know that the resentment and antipathy I feel towards my erstwhile friends are only adding to the negativity and divisiveness in the world that is what the ‘dark forces’ in power want to increase. I am going to try and stay in a higher state of consciousness although the feelings are painful, and, as we used to say in the 70s “bless them and go on my way.”

307041 ▶▶▶▶ Jo Dominich -, replying to Melangell, #581 of 1899 🔗

I tend not to have these discussions actually because I can’t be bothered with people’s ignorance and stupidity on this. I’m focussed on doing what I can alongside people on here. I do though, engage in good discussions with fellow sceptics who, as we all do, want their lives back.

306502 ▶▶▶ Simon Dutton, replying to Dave Angel Eco Warrier, 4, #582 of 1899 🔗

I don’t think relationship breakdown was an unseen consequence at all. Divide and rule. Why else the overwhelming animus against pubs? The pub is the place where you meet old friends and make new ones, where the affairs of the day are discussed and your outlook enlarged. In other words it’s a potential locus of opposition to tyranny.

Covid is yet another attack on social cohesion and the nuclear family, like third-wave feminism, the divorce laws, the belittling of husbands and fathers, unchecked immigration, etc., etc., all foisted on us by the Frankfurt School and their eager disciples. The transformation is complete. They now have what they set out to gain – ‘cultural hegemony’.

307159 ▶▶▶▶ richard riewer, replying to Simon Dutton, #583 of 1899 🔗

But there will no longer be any culture for the hegemonists to enjoy. None one of them have a creative bone in his/her body. Look what happened to Soviet Realism and look what’s happening all over the world with Woke/Cancel culture. The next Batman will be a black man and the next Robin will probably be transgendered.

307118 ▶▶▶ richard riewer, replying to Dave Angel Eco Warrier, #584 of 1899 🔗

It is also unforgiveable and despicable that everybody allowed this to happen.

306259 ▶▶ PoshPanic, replying to Melangell, 5, #585 of 1899 🔗

Our door has remained open to everyone throughout this. Only a couple of visitors have hung out on the doorstep.

306606 ▶▶ Sue, replying to Melangell, 3, #586 of 1899 🔗

sorry to hear that melangell – I’m on my own and generally prefer the autonomy and freedom of being single offers. But it’s not fun/easy during this shitshow due to the loss of freedom of movement and going places to meet people etc which single people rely on. Having said that if I was living with someone i’d probably have killed them.
My ‘friends’ seem to have disappeared into a bunker and surface on whatsapp to post ridiculous superficial pictures of fairy cakes etc which others then go wow – i can’t relate to this level of innane stupidity and don’t participate so just ignore them as it’s clear we’re on totally different dimensions and i don’t want to confrontation and alienation.

307187 ▶▶ dhid, replying to Melangell, #587 of 1899 🔗

I would deliver the card as you have presumably written it, keep the prezzie and give it to someone else and don’t bother with a card next year. But I’m like that I’m afraid. Friends wouldn’t do what they did.

306143 calchas, replying to calchas, 27, #588 of 1899 🔗

C.J. Hopkins has written what is quite possibly the best piece on this since it all began:

“People who have spent time in prison, or who have lived in openly totalitarian societies, are familiar with being ruled by brute force. Most Westerners are not, so it has come as a shock. The majority of them still can’t process it. They cannot see what is staring them in the face. They cannot see it because they can’t afford to see it. If they did, it would completely short-circuit their brains. They would suffer massive psychotic breakdowns, and become entirely unable to function, so their psyches will not allow them to see it.”


Please read in full.

306171 ▶▶ Melangell, replying to calchas, 10, #589 of 1899 🔗

That’s so interesting…it’s directly analogous to an abused child who can’t believe – and can’t afford to believe – that their only caregivers are evil and cruel. I’ve been saying for quite a while that people in the Western world have been living comfortably under the illusion of benign democratic governments for so long, it’s unconscionable for them to believe otherwise of today’s leaders. I think that’s also why we are seeing so much compliance among the younger generation who have been brought up, in the main, by caring parents and enjoyed the comfort of seemingly unlimited affluence and opportunities.

306180 ▶▶▶ calchas, replying to Melangell, 12, #590 of 1899 🔗

““The illusion of freedom will continue as long as it’s profitable to continue the illusion. At the point where the illusion becomes too expensive to maintain, they will just take down the scenery, they will pull back the curtains, they will move the tables and chairs out of the way and you will see the brick wall at the back of the theater.”
Fank Zappa

THe illusion is now too expensive to maintain.

All they have left is coercion.

We now see how the world really works.

306186 ▶▶▶▶ Melangell, replying to calchas, #591 of 1899 🔗

Wow – great quotation – in what context did Zappa say that?

306230 ▶▶▶▶▶ calchas, replying to Melangell, #592 of 1899 🔗


306357 ▶▶▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to Melangell, 1, #593 of 1899 🔗

Stoned, I think it was …

306258 ▶▶▶▶ stefarm, replying to calchas, #594 of 1899 🔗

Great quote

306315 ▶▶▶ RickH, replying to Melangell, #595 of 1899 🔗

analogous to an abused child who can’t believe “

A good analogy. It’s a mindset that I see often when in conversation with waverers.

I think that even some of us who are a bit more sceptical in general have still been surprised at the ease with which a totalitarian ideology has been manouevered into place.

306364 ▶▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to RickH, #596 of 1899 🔗

Not a surprise if you’ve ever tried to discuss our right to bear arms with people, Rick.

307163 ▶▶▶ richard riewer, replying to Melangell, #597 of 1899 🔗

Stockholm Syndrome.

306179 ▶▶ Ben, replying to calchas, 3, #598 of 1899 🔗

Unfortunately, no solutions are offered. The Left and the unions have gone AWOL. There are no allies anywhere

306188 ▶▶▶ calchas, replying to Ben, 5, #599 of 1899 🔗

I think there weill come a tipping point at which a critical number of people have so little left to lose, that there will be more resistance.

That point has not yet been reached.

306220 ▶▶▶▶ Dave Angel Eco Warrier, replying to calchas, 7, #600 of 1899 🔗

That has been said throughout this but I see no sign. The vast majority seem quite prepared, if not necessarily happy, to continue with all this for an indeterminate time. Most people I talk to are neither Lockdown Zealots or Sceptics but are just doing what they’ve been asked to do, no questions asked, just as the piece highlighted.

306241 ▶▶▶▶▶ calchas, replying to Dave Angel Eco Warrier, 2, #601 of 1899 🔗

It is in my view an economic tipping point.

I think it is impossible to stop the living standards of the broad majority in the West from falling.

It is dynamic and impossible to predict when that tipping point will occur.

I think the great majority of people are aware, if only at an unconscious level, of what is happening. As Hopkins says, it cannot yet be openly acknowledged by the conscious mind.

It will be eventually, because the survival of the individual may demand it.

307172 ▶▶▶▶▶ richard riewer, replying to Dave Angel Eco Warrier, #602 of 1899 🔗

We need the support of the majority of those people who voted for Brexit to come out of the closet. Now. All the networks that were created before the Brexit vote should be re-activated and put into motion one more time. This current crisis is worse than remaining in the EU.

306326 ▶▶▶▶ Old Bill, replying to calchas, #603 of 1899 🔗

“If there is any hope at all it lies with the proles”
We all know how well that has turned out.
Bread and Circuses anyone?

306643 ▶▶▶▶▶ Jonathan Palmer, replying to Old Bill, #604 of 1899 🔗

The proles will never rise up because they are not conscious.They can never achieve consciousness until after they have risen up.Sorry if I didn’t quote it word for word

306213 ▶▶▶ Dave Angel Eco Warrier, replying to Ben, #605 of 1899 🔗

He is more or less admitting that as there do not appear to be any. I think he is just attempting to get the likes of us not to buckle despite the power of the official (and non-official) propoganda.

306234 ▶▶▶ Lms23, replying to Ben, 5, #606 of 1899 🔗

If the Democrats and Kier Starmer are anything to go by, they’re perfectly ok with all these measures. Neither Labour or the Democrats represent the working classes any more. They abandoned them a long time ago.

307174 ▶▶▶▶ richard riewer, replying to Lms23, #607 of 1899 🔗

So did the Republicans and the Conservatives.

306355 ▶▶ JohnB, replying to calchas, #608 of 1899 🔗

CJ is always very good.

306145 Tom Blackburn, replying to Tom Blackburn, 2, #609 of 1899 🔗


306176 ▶▶ Ben, replying to Tom Blackburn, 5, #610 of 1899 🔗

I lost respect for the NHS months ago

306303 ▶▶▶ RickH, replying to Ben, 1, #611 of 1899 🔗

I’ve seen another side of the NHS during quite frequent encounters, and I think it’s important to distinguish the politicized top management from the rest.

306182 ▶▶ Bugle, replying to Tom Blackburn, 1, #612 of 1899 🔗

How can an EAU be “the highest safety standards”?

306203 ▶▶ dpj, replying to Tom Blackburn, 3, #613 of 1899 🔗

That’s very similar to paid advert I highlighted the other day. Exactly how much NHS money has been spent trying to convince people that vaccine is safe? If Covid was a serious a threat as they make out and vaccine hadn’t quite obviously been rushed out then there would be no need to.

306155 Ned of the Hills, replying to Ned of the Hills, #614 of 1899 🔗

Just checking.

What’s tirelessly referred to as “cases” – i.e positive tests – peaked on the 10th Nov and hospital admissions on the 11th (using 7 day averages).

Shouldn’t there be a bit more of lag twixt the two?

306221 ▶▶ Will, replying to Ned of the Hills, 1, #615 of 1899 🔗

The ONS survey put the peak in the week ending the 23rd October. Take a look at the “deaths” and you’ll see they were spot on even if all the statistics are exaggerated by a factor of ten.

306295 ▶▶ RickH, replying to Ned of the Hills, 1, #616 of 1899 🔗

Yeh but, no but ….

THe two are linked if everyone who is admitted is tested.

306157 Lms23, replying to Lms23, 4, #617 of 1899 🔗

Glenn Beck: COVID 19 is the GATEWAY DRUG to global socialism

The Great Reset is getting more traction in the alternative media. It’s not being dismissed as a conspiracy theory, mainly because the PTB are coming out and talking about it publicly, e.g. John Kerry,appointed to some role in Biden’s possible upcoming administration.

Voter fraud in the U.S. election has also finally become more public as Republicans are holding hearings and challenging the results. The Democrats are pretending there’s nothing to see, but their position is becoming more untenable.

306173 ▶▶ Ben, replying to Lms23, 8, #618 of 1899 🔗

How is billionaires (World Economic Forum) owning everything and everyone else living in poverty socialism? Are people so politically ignorant and so stupid as to believe that Jeff Bezos and Bill Gates are socialists? There is no vaccine for stupidity

306197 ▶▶▶ Leemc23, replying to Ben, 1, #619 of 1899 🔗

A smart capitalist will use socialism as a tool to gain what they desire.

306206 ▶▶▶ Andy Riley, replying to Ben, 3, #620 of 1899 🔗

The worst aspects of socialism plus the worst aspect of capitalism.

306219 ▶▶▶ Lms23, replying to Ben, 1, #621 of 1899 🔗

That was Glenn Beck’s description.
Socialism is never really socialism. It’s “ownership by the people” in theory, and everything controlled by the state in practice. It’s not an apt description, but a convenient one.

I frankly don’t care what label is put on it. Klaus Schwab calls it stakeholder capitalism, just like Schindler privately owned his factory, but the German government told him what to produce and how much.
Either way, the Left in general is very keen on this “Great Reset” and especially government workers, and those in the private sector and on the Right are not. Whether it comes to reality, I don’t know, but I do know that the billionaires and multi-millionaires are getting richer, with everyone else getting a lot, lot poorer, our lives are being micromanaged, and I’m not sure this “new normal” is ever going away. They’re going to continue this CV19 scaremongering long enough to condition everyone into accepting it as normal.
If it’s any consolation, the hard Left, the Bernie Sanders supporters, probably don’t support this either, as they also see the global elite, the ultra-rich, gaining more control everywhere.

306251 ▶▶▶▶ Crystal Decanter, replying to Lms23, 1, #622 of 1899 🔗

“Neo Liberal Corporatism” is what you are looking for
Coronatarianism has nothing to do with Das Capital or Atlas Shrugged

306288 ▶▶▶ RickH, replying to Ben, 2, #623 of 1899 🔗

There seems to be a sub-infection from Covid that scrambles the brain in terms of political definitions.

306633 ▶▶▶ Jonathan Palmer, replying to Ben, 1, #624 of 1899 🔗

If the state owns the means of production it’s communism.If it’s a union of state and capital it’s fascism.Make your own judgement as to what system they are implementing.

307211 ▶▶▶▶ Ben, replying to Jonathan Palmer, #625 of 1899 🔗

It’s closer to fascism

306159 RickH, 4, #626 of 1899 🔗

Just another quick shout-out. The opinion piece on collaboration and the corruption of science from the BMJ (cited above) is worth a read :


306166 chaos, replying to chaos, 11, #627 of 1899 🔗

Let’s call Tom Cruise out for what he actually is.. a bullying boss.

306174 ▶▶ kh1485, replying to chaos, 9, #628 of 1899 🔗

They just replayed his rant on talkRADIO and it was horrible to listen to. I’m no wuss, but I wouldn’t have liked being subjected to that barrage. He is, as you say, a bully. Sadly MG is defending him. Good for the people who have apparently walked off.

306195 ▶▶▶ Cecil B, replying to kh1485, 1, #629 of 1899 🔗


306201 ▶▶▶▶ Cecil B, replying to Cecil B, 8, #630 of 1899 🔗

Little man syndrome

( Evidenced recently in our dwarf police)

306218 ▶▶▶▶▶ kh1485, replying to Cecil B, 1, #631 of 1899 🔗

Thanks for the clarification. Nearly posted ‘?’ until I scrolled further down! Yes, indeed. Nasty little twat.

306210 ▶▶ TyRade, replying to chaos, 5, #632 of 1899 🔗

follow the scientology

307184 ▶▶▶ richard riewer, replying to TyRade, 1, #633 of 1899 🔗

Hubbard’s cupboard.

306228 ▶▶ Crystal Decanter, replying to chaos, 3, #634 of 1899 🔗

“Trapped in the Closet” as South Park once eloquently pointed out

306190 Cecil B, 4, #635 of 1899 🔗

Tory grandee one “What are they moaning about now”

TG2 “The number of people the can have round for Christmas lunch”

TG1 “Do these people not have private members clubs they can go to?”

TG2 ” I’m sure they do”

306194 Victoria, 1, #636 of 1899 🔗

This song is brilliant: Myki Tuff and the Friendly Fire Band perform I Will Survive Corona

306205 kf99, replying to kf99, 1, #637 of 1899 🔗

Another mention (posted late yesterday) for the arrest in Sainsburys for non mask wearing. So the Police were right and wrong at the same time? That’s alright then, move along

306215 ▶▶ Victoria, replying to kf99, 4, #638 of 1899 🔗

Not sure why people still shop at Sainsbury’s. Obviously Sainsbury’s called the police…….

306249 ▶▶▶ Crystal Decanter, replying to Victoria, 6, #639 of 1899 🔗

I would sue immediately under the discrimination act.

306269 ▶▶ A Heretic, replying to kf99, 2, #640 of 1899 🔗

So much wrong in that police statement, most of all this:

In this instance the man did give his details once at the station and was reported for a breach of Covid legislation.

What breach was that then?

306331 ▶▶▶ Major Panic, replying to A Heretic, 1, #641 of 1899 🔗

I think that simply means that once he had given his details he was given a fixed penalty that he will likely challenge and win – but the misleading final sentence suggests the police ‘won’

In my opinion, don’t get bogged down with arguments with PC’s, you’ll get more sense out of a turnip – just give them your details and challenge the fixed penalty when it arrives

306350 ▶▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to Major Panic, 2, #642 of 1899 🔗

They would surely have said if a FPN had been issued, or a charge laid. They’re trying to bury this.

And sod off giving details – you thinking of changing sides, MP ?

306676 ▶▶▶▶▶ Major Panic, replying to JohnB, 1, #643 of 1899 🔗

arguing with a PC in a supermarket achieves nothing – the ”law & Fiction” interpretation of law is that a PC can ask about your reasons for excemption – I respect their legal advice

I took ”was reported for a breach of Covid legislation.” to mean a FPN was issued. It is for a court to decide if a person is guilty of anything unless a person accepts the FPN. Its not for the police to decide if you are guilty of anything.

If I was stopped for no mask I would simply give my details and wait for my FPN then challenge it. Because of the wording of the legislation its impossible to prove I’m not – especially as the gov tells people NOT to get a note from their doc.

the police and council bod were probably reacting to complaints by all the bedwetter complaing about people without masks, its the law thats the problem. Dont forget, the bedwetters think they are right – the propoganda has been very effective

307018 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Jo Dominich -, replying to Major Panic, #644 of 1899 🔗

Actually I read it as though Sainsbury’s had reported it because the Police do not ‘report’ people. They either issue an FPN which or not. In which case, if they had done so their Statement would have read “In accordance with Government guidelines, the Police issued an FPN for a breach of Covid regulations. They didn’t say that so I think the man was telling the truth but the Police aren’t big enough to admit their mistake.

307012 ▶▶▶▶▶ Jo Dominich -, replying to JohnB, #645 of 1899 🔗

Quite right JohnB. There was clear over-reach by the Police in this case. Asking for his details so they could contact h is GP surgery to check. Haven’t they heard of the Data Protection Act?

306360 ▶▶▶▶ Crystal Decanter, replying to Major Panic, 1, #646 of 1899 🔗

memorize a fake name and address of someone you detest
worked for me when I got stopped

306212 Victoria, 13, #647 of 1899 🔗

They help to destroy lives and the economy whilst being the highest paid civil servants of all time.

Says it all


306226 Cecil B, replying to Cecil B, 8, #648 of 1899 🔗

The pig dictator, the rapists dad, and the turd have declared war on the British people

Good luck with that one

In peace there’s nothing so becomes a man as modest stillness and humility; but when the blast of war blows in our ears, then imitate the action of the tiger; stiffen the sinews, summon up the blood, disguise fair nature with hard-favor’d rage.” ― William Shakespeare

306232 ▶▶ Crystal Decanter, replying to Cecil B, #649 of 1899 🔗

Don’t forget Hazel McWitch in Scotland and Arlene Bornaman in Ulster

307188 ▶▶ richard riewer, replying to Cecil B, #650 of 1899 🔗

Oh yeah, I like that. Thanks Will!

306229 AnotherSceptic, replying to AnotherSceptic, 34, #651 of 1899 🔗

I don’t know why I have done this, but, I just emailed the editor of the scummy Edinburgh live website to ask why they silence opinions & comments if it goes against the scaremongering narrative that Edinburgh live spreads.

This is the email I sent.

Dear Hilary,

I am emailing you to ask why, as editor of the Edinburgh live news website, you & your publication silence & disable opinions/comments if it goes against the coronavirus scaremongering that is consistently peddled by Edinburgh live.
Censoring goes against the free speech & opinion rights that we have.
Now, I for one can see through all of this “virus” nonsense, this is about control of the population now & nothing whatsoever to do with the “virus” & keeping up the scaremongering narrative to keep up the brainwashing of the majority of the population.

Why can’t you & your team tell the truth? Remember back in March, when sturgeon stood there, on the tv & told everyone that it was only for 3 week’s “to suppress the virus” & to prevent deaths & the NHS from being “overwhelmed”?
Well, here we are 9 months down the line & rather than being about deaths now (the numbers are falling, this can be easily checked)
it’s now moved to “cases” just to keep up the scaremongering. The world has always had viruses since time began, but it never ever stopped. You cannot stop death, yet, it seems that is what they are trying to do.

The loss of liberties and freedoms is bang out of order also. People who fought & died for our rights & freedoms during the war, will be turning in their graves.

Scotland is now nothing more than a dictatorship right now & this is not helped any by Edinburgh Live.

Please do not patronise me by replying back about “following the government guidelines etc” the Scottish & UK government are clearly making this up as they go along now.

As an example of this, you are not allowed to do pretty much anything now, because of the big “scary virus” yet, professional football can be played, just with no crowd??

People are NOT dying in the streets, yet the way the propaganda is being pumped out, you would think that they are.

The NHS will not be & NEVER was “overwhelmed” this was clearly demonstrated back in April/May this year, the nurses & doctors all found the time to put on social media videos of them all doing silly dance routines.

this is always a busy time of year
for the NHS, it’s winter.

I beg you to start doing some proper investigation into all this nonsense. We are being lied to every day & taken for idiots.

306271 ▶▶ Basics, replying to AnotherSceptic, 6, #652 of 1899 🔗

Good luck with that and good effort. Edinburghlive assign there recent employee cafe critic to matters lockdown, masks and protests. Worth checking what kind of animal the writers are on the articles.

Also to point out again. Bbc embedded reporters are operating within edinburghlive – as most l9cal newsoutlets have these days. The official name for this underhand propagation of state propaganda is Local Democracy Reporters. In my opinion it is their job to control and steer local opinion of local authority goings on. Researching tge names of LDRs on your own local rag and seeing what kind of stories they put out can give an insight into the direction that is intended for us.

306235 Smelly Melly, replying to Smelly Melly, 13, #653 of 1899 🔗

Of course if you have a half decent immune system you will be able to fight off the vast majority of flu like infections. If your immune system isn’t up to scratch then you’re not long for this world.

306247 ▶▶ Victoria, replying to Smelly Melly, 1, #654 of 1899 🔗

So true!!

306325 ▶▶ Crystal Decanter, replying to Smelly Melly, 1, #655 of 1899 🔗

wE-mUsT sTaY LoCkEd DoWn UnTil ThErE iS No mOrE dEaTH

306246 Tom Blackburn, replying to Tom Blackburn, 1, #656 of 1899 🔗

Lancashire and Manchester to remain T3 apparently

306585 ▶▶ Nobody2020, replying to Tom Blackburn, #657 of 1899 🔗

I misread apparently as permanently, oops.

306248 Major Panic, 3, #658 of 1899 🔗

Excellent article from ”Round-up” – sums the shit show up very well…


306254 Victoria, 3, #659 of 1899 🔗

“the distinction between background noise and actual presence of the target virus is difficult to ascertain”

The PCR tests which have been used to shut down and destroy economies are not fit for purpose.



307133 ▶▶ dommo, replying to Victoria, #661 of 1899 🔗

i discovered you can’t actually laugh with a mouthful of vomit…

306264 Darryl, replying to Darryl, 1, #662 of 1899 🔗

I would love to see some SAGE members do a video like this for the UK, 2 minutes of cringeworthy government propaganda from Canada. Unfortunately, I bet many Canadians probably like it.


307202 ▶▶ richard riewer, replying to Darryl, #663 of 1899 🔗

Yep, it certainly is a clown show. But I’m not laughing, cuz it’s not funny.

306265 Victoria, replying to Victoria, 11, #664 of 1899 🔗

I would suggest it has nothing to do with you @BBCHughPym

Polite or otherwise.


306278 ▶▶ RickH, replying to Victoria, 2, #665 of 1899 🔗

I suppose a just response would be :

“And where’s your rabbit’s foot?”

306335 ▶▶▶ Marialta, replying to RickH, 3, #666 of 1899 🔗

In line with my other suggestion of making up ridiculous laws to fool people I think I’m going to carry a lucky charm or rabbit’s foot or whatever in my pocket and if anyone challenges me for not wearing a mask from now on I’m going to get that out instead of my lanyard rather than saying I’m exempt I’ll hold it up in their face and start chanting

306266 Kevin 2, 9, #667 of 1899 🔗

“Rumours that the UK was close to a trade agreement with the EU were scotched yesterday.
When asked to comment, Karen Fearmonger from the BBC unit in charge of disinformation, stated that such rumours were ‘being spread by conspiracy theorists and anti-vaxxers’, and that a ‘no deal’ deal was ‘much the most likely outcome’, albeit with some delay.

In a briefing document leaked to the BBC, it became apparent that the no-deal agreement has been temporarily delayed, because Ministers have been forced to acknowledge that the M20 is only 50 miles long and lacks the necessary infrastructure, such as Congestion Zone cameras and Pay and Display machines.

The delay is expected to be short-lived however, as Operation Warped Mentality moves forward rapidly, and projects that the 29 purpose-built lorry parks (to be known as Super Hubs for International Transport) will be fully operational by March.

Meanwhile, a rapid recruitment drive is under way to deliver the additional 90,000 Customs Officers needed. The onerous 1 year’s training for new recruits is being replaced by a remote online training weekend, delivered by official contractor Serco.

The lorry parks will have full quarantine facilities on site, including internment units for European truck drivers, and state-of-the-art PCR testing facilities for cargoes that are are known vectors for disease transmission, such as soft fruit and asylum seekers. Ministers are looking to appoint a Soft Fruit Czar, who will run what is expected to be a world-beating testing and traceability programme, and are believed to have a suitably experienced candidate in mind.”

From your correspondent.

306267 Harry hopkins, replying to Harry hopkins, 8, #668 of 1899 🔗

Tom Cruise doesn’t like it when people get too close.

If ever there was a brainwashed nutter pontificating to otherwise sane people it is this over paid and self absorbed piece of celebrity rubbish.
Cruise has been a member of the Church of Scientology for over thirty years and if that doesn’t tell you something about him nothing will.
Here’s an extract from Wikipedia about Scientology:

The Church of Scientology maintains a wide variety of beliefs and practices. The core belief holds that a human is an immortal, spiritual being ( thetan ) that is resident in a physical body. The thetan has had innumerable past lives, some of which, preceding the thetan’s arrival on Earth, were lived in extraterrestrial cultures.

And you’re telling us that you’re scared of catching the flu Tom? At the very least I would have thought that Thetans would have their own immunity to such earthly trivia.

306285 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to Harry hopkins, 2, #669 of 1899 🔗

It’s his ego seizing on an opportunity for easy prey. That’s it.

306583 ▶▶▶ Nobody2020, replying to BeBopRockSteady, #670 of 1899 🔗

306442 ▶▶ stefarm, replying to Harry hopkins, 3, #671 of 1899 🔗

Tom Cruise doesn’t like it when people get too close.

It’s because most people are taller than him

306270 Cecil B, replying to Cecil B, 11, #672 of 1899 🔗

Just opened the bathroom window and the wind blew in

Strange? Anyone else experienced this?

I only ask as my experience is somewhat at odds with the dictatorships propaganda adverts

In the adverts the blue/green covid miasma blows out of the window

Is it just another example of the dictatorship losing touch with reality?

306307 ▶▶ Kev, replying to Cecil B, 12, #673 of 1899 🔗

Yeah I saw that as well, I was braced in case I accidentally got sucked out through the window with all that escaping air and disease, so much so I was almost blown over when the air rushed in instead.

Am I alone in thinking David Shukman should have been strangled at birth? The guy is an absolute imbecile, along with his Climate proclamations.

306272 p02099003, replying to p02099003, 2, #674 of 1899 🔗

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-55345452 SERCO giving out bonuses to Track and Trace staff.

306311 ▶▶ Basics, replying to p02099003, 3, #675 of 1899 🔗

Explain how this can be anything other than an effort to anger the country. Just a general thought not aimed at you P02…..3

307006 ▶▶ Jo Dominich -, replying to p02099003, 1, #676 of 1899 🔗

Scandalous, absolutely scandalous since we now know they only worked 1pc of their paid time. That money should go to communities that have the most redundancies etc. Not only that, it’s a mess, a chronic mess and never achieved anything. Still a former Tory MP owns it so that tells you plenty.

306274 Albie, replying to Albie, 12, #677 of 1899 🔗

How can Covid fanatics like Macron possibly test positive, I would ask Covid zealots, if he wears a mask all the time and no doubt obeys his own rules to the letter. No doubt it would be the fault of others, and not the fact that this is a virus that can get anywhere.

306346 ▶▶ Bella Donna, replying to Albie, 2, #678 of 1899 🔗

Its probably a false positive. Just because he has tested positive certainly doesn’t mean he has it. If anything knowing how this has been handled by all western governments and their agencies, you really cannot believe anything that comes from governments anymore.

306377 ▶▶ George L, replying to Albie, 1, #679 of 1899 🔗

How convenient! Macron is there for one reason only.. to destroy France for his masters. No doubt his covid bullshit will be used for something nefarious that’s already been planned.

307002 ▶▶ Jo Dominich -, replying to Albie, #680 of 1899 🔗

His wife’s in an age bracket that is a vulnerable one isn’t she? Maybe he needs to isolate from her because I think she’s the one driving h is Dictatorship.

306282 OKUK, replying to OKUK, 16, #681 of 1899 🔗

We’ve all been scratching our heads, trying to make sense of why governments in Europe and elsewhere have been committing acts of gross national self harm over a virus that is the equivalent of, or less harmful than, a very bad flu year. Why destroy your economy, health service, education system, family life and cultural activities over a pandemic that at worst is shortening the lives of some very old and very sick people by a few months (especially when they are leading very low quality lives with multiple conditions and in a very weak state)?

As the months have gone by, the possibility of the usual cock up theory being correct has grown ever more tenuous. There must be more at work. But who is at work?

I am coming round to the China Theory. My reasoning is as follows:

1. Context. In the second half of 2019 we know there was a vicious and escalating trade war between Trump and China. Trump was also standing up to China over other issues like Chinese expansion in the South China Sea and use of their N Korean ally for intimidation purposes. Removal of Trump became a central aim of Chinese policy. This policy aim was admitted to by the Chinese Prof (and advisor to Xi) in his recent now notorious lecture to students caught on video.

2. China has engaged in a thorough programme of infiltration and corrupt influence in the

3. We know the corrupt Biden crime family have been bought by the Chinese and tgat the Chinese by their own admission got Biden elected.

4. We know China has political control of WHO.

5. We know WHO policy seems to track Chinese interests.

6. We know China has infiltrated virology institutes/bio labs. It would be naive not to think that they haven’t also infiltrated epidemiology departments.

7. The Left/Democrats were initially reluctant to take the pandemic seriously, preferring to recommend hug a Chinese and keep visiting Chinatown restaurant initiatives. That all changed around February.,

8. How did Biden, a senile and ineffective candidate win the primaries.

9. We know China, a police and military state where people (including doctors) disappear if they speak openly about the crisis. Was it a natural phemonenon, an accidental release or a deliberate act? We cannot know – but we do know that China was in a superb position to manipulate the crisis in its own interests, especially through its control of media, WHO, and corrupt politicians. It took a hit, recording “only” 2% growth this year but compare that with our 11% drop. In relative terms this crisis has been a great success for China. It has provided cover for the total crushing of liberty in Hong Kong. It helped them get Biden elected.

10. This not a China-only thesis. They have undoubtedly used anti Trump allies: WEF, wishlist billionaires, the Far Left and anti-populist elements.

There’s more but I’ll leave it there for the moment.

306287 ▶▶ Victoria, replying to OKUK, 3, #682 of 1899 🔗

Great post! Yes why would Governments wilfully decimate their own economies??

306359 ▶▶▶ calchas, replying to Victoria, 2, #683 of 1899 🔗

Because they know that the financial system is teetering on the brink anyway, and decided to use a ‘pandemic’ to institute the measures of social control necessary to deal with that.

Sure, they bring it all all forward by a ceratin amount of time, in return they gain a greater measure of control.

306308 ▶▶ Michael C, replying to OKUK, 7, #684 of 1899 🔗

Interesting! I am slowly being drawn to the idea that China may be testing the West through its reaction to the spread of Covid 19 which has been lamentable. When it has fully analysed the West’s reaction I think we will see further moves as China attempts to supplant the US as the world’s leading superpower both militarily, politically and economically. The other great mystery is the Covid figures China reports, with cases and deaths at absolutely minimal levels despite what appears to be almost no special lockdown type measures currently.

306323 ▶▶ RickH, replying to OKUK, -2, #685 of 1899 🔗

You’ve left out the incompetence of Trump as a major factor 🙂

306338 ▶▶▶ Crystal Decanter, replying to RickH, 8, #686 of 1899 🔗

To be fair on The Donald – nobody could have survived such an onslaught from the entire machine for 4 years
It has been quite an eye opener to watch them select President Kamaltoe

306341 ▶▶▶ Julian, replying to RickH, 5, #687 of 1899 🔗

Realistically I don’t think he could have turned the tide on his own, but it’s shame he was unable to combine having the balls to say what he really thinks with the discipline and political astuteness to achieve his goals (if he ever had any) or at least follow his instincts. He was one of the only world leaders who departed from the narrative – I don’t know if you regard the rest of them as “competent” but certainly there are many who talk more slickly than Trump, who are more “political” (e.g. Macron, Merkel) who have been disgraceful and useless in all this.

306356 ▶▶▶ mjr, replying to RickH, 2, #688 of 1899 🔗

as you often say “yawn!”

306337 ▶▶ Julian, replying to OKUK, 3, #689 of 1899 🔗

How much was planned we may never know but they seem more or less the only nation that has benefitted from this crap. Their leadership appear much more astute than anyone else.

306365 ▶▶ HoMojo, replying to OKUK, 1, #690 of 1899 🔗

I agree with this. Found out quite early on that DG of WHO, Tedros, accused of aiding genocide in Ethiopia, I stress ‘accused’ – was heavily backed by China

306371 ▶▶ dhpaul, replying to OKUK, 1, #691 of 1899 🔗

I said to a few friends months ago that who stood to gain from the destruction of the free world’s economies. China I said, and the response was “what about all the deaths in China”. To which I said, China is a police state, a few thousand deaths to achieve a greater aim is merely collateral damage. China guessed that Trump would say that its all coronabollox, and that unfortunately not enough in the US would support him, hence he’s gone. Add to this the opportunism of the climate change nutters, and possibly big pharma, and this explains it all.

306398 ▶▶▶ calchas, replying to dhpaul, #692 of 1899 🔗

How does China gain from the economic damage in the West or anywhere else?

It doesn’t. On the contrary China and its companies are massive investors all over the world.

306410 ▶▶▶▶ Crystal Decanter, replying to calchas, 2, #693 of 1899 🔗

The get to buy what is left of the West for pennies on the dollar. They don’t care if their own people starve in the process
Look at what Red China is doing in Africa??

306425 ▶▶▶▶▶ calchas, replying to Crystal Decanter, #694 of 1899 🔗

Other countries can easily implement barriers to that happening.

Since China has been the major winner from the globalization period of the last 20 years. hy bring that to an end – especially given the animosity that ensues?

Never change a running system.

306448 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Crystal Decanter, replying to calchas, 2, #695 of 1899 🔗

They are Communists at heart – even though they have (temporarily) embraced Neo Liberal Corporatism
Red China thinks decades ahead- unlike the West who’s eyes are only on the next election

306457 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ calchas, replying to Crystal Decanter, 3, #696 of 1899 🔗

The epicentre of ‘covid’ is now in the unviable taxation, borrowing and printing funded welfare states of the West.

China forced none of these countries to make the mistakes that they did. On the contrary the West’s outsourcing of manufacturing to cheaper countries – like China – helped the West to avois confronting its problems for 20 years, at the cost of making the ultimate crisis more shattering.

It doesn’t matter that China ‘thinks decades ahead’. The USSR used to ‘think decades ahead’ China’s success is that of its many enrepreneurs who have succeeded despite the state ‘thinking decades ahead’

The western statist model has reached its end. That is the crisis.

307119 ▶▶▶▶▶ dommo, replying to Crystal Decanter, #697 of 1899 🔗

absolutely right, and not just in africa

306632 ▶▶▶▶ OKUK, replying to calchas, 1, #698 of 1899 🔗

It is relative damage that counts, as in war. China is not an investor in the ordinary sense. It invests from sovereign wealth funds, PLA controlled companies, and CCP compliant billonaires. It is investment for influence, not profit.

306375 ▶▶ calchas, replying to OKUK, 3, #699 of 1899 🔗

I disagree with the basic thesis, whilst agreeing that China was probably ‘in on it’.

The repo crisis in US debt markets in Sepetember 2019 indicated an approaching mega-crisis in the financial system. In my opinion this prompted the ‘system’, which includes elements in all countries, to call a ‘pandemic’ , in order to institutionalize measures of social control in order to ‘deal’ with it.

China does not control WHO – it funds WHO to the extent of less than 0.5%

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306506 ▶▶ Ben, replying to OKUK, 3, #700 of 1899 🔗

Pharma has control of the WHO. That’s the bottom line

The China thing is tedious, though China’s not innocent. This is a global attack by Pharma, tech, the banks etc

307223 ▶▶▶ richard riewer, replying to Ben, #701 of 1899 🔗

World Bank, IMF, U.N.

306908 ▶▶ DeepBlueYonder, replying to OKUK, #702 of 1899 🔗

Fascinating post OKUK.

Perhaps the elites in the West now see democracy itself as an obstacle to economic growth and have been persuaded by authoritarianism. The West with its (highly imperfect) democracies has been wholly unable to compete with China, economically. The latter’s economic growth over the last 30 to 40 years is probably without historical precedent.

In 1973 the Trilateral Commission complained about an excess of democracy: ‘some of the problems of governance in the United States today stem from an excess of democracy […] Needed, instead, is a greater degree of moderation in democracy.’

We must each now decide where our sympathies and allegiances lie: with the forces of technocracy, or with the forces of democracy.

307113 ▶▶ dommo, replying to OKUK, #703 of 1899 🔗

that’s bang on – except for saying that Biden has been elected; he hasn’t…next few weeks are going to be very “interesting”…

307215 ▶▶ richard riewer, replying to OKUK, #704 of 1899 🔗

It’s a good start.

306304 Andrew K, replying to Andrew K, 13, #705 of 1899 🔗

Viral cultures for COVID-19 infectious potential assessment – a systematic review
T Jefferson, E A Spencer, J Brassey, C Heneghan
Clinical Infectious Diseases, ciaa1764, https://doi.org/10.1093/cid/ciaa1764
Published: 03 December 2020 Article history


Complete live viruses are necessary for transmission, not the fragments identified by PCR.

306319 ▶▶ RickH, replying to Andrew K, 10, #706 of 1899 🔗

… and this finding sticks out, too :

Two studies reported the odds of live virus culture reduced by approximately 33% for every one unit increase in Ct.”

That is massive.

306431 ▶▶ Voz 0db, replying to Andrew K, #707 of 1899 🔗

Sorry to say but that study is also another piece of shit! And why?

Simple… Read the references and they all are a piece of shit!

Since I had already read most of them (this paper is just a summary one!) most of those have the usual fraud:


Viral RNA was detected on 114/218 (52.3%) of surfaces and 14/31 (38.7%) air samples but no virus was cultured.

This is all a giant SCAM & Fraud based on a lab. technique (PCR) that can’t be used to make this type of conclusions much less claim this is a fact!

Remove the PCR and they can’t reach any conclusion!

But as long as MONEY flows into these white coat scoundrels they will keep printing this garbage…

It’s all about the Money, Money, Money!

306322 Ben, 6, #708 of 1899 🔗

I’m terrified of a third wave of PCR-test false positives and the fascistic response from the Drakefords, Sturgeons and the Johnsons and the simpleton sheeple who are begging for more subjugation

I’ve never been afraid of the ‘virus’


306324 Victoria, replying to Victoria, 15, #709 of 1899 🔗

COVID-19 Is a Class War
The fact that the pandemic has been used to shift wealth from the poor and middle class to the ultra-wealthy is clear for anyone to see at this point. As reported by IPS News:

“The combined wealth of U.S. billionaires ‘surpassed $1 trillion in gains since March 2020 and the beginning of the pandemic,’ according to a study by the Institute for Policy Studies.”

While 45.5 million Americans filed for unemployment, 29 new billionaires were created, the Institute for Policy Studies reported in June 2020, and the five richest men in the U.S. — Jeff Bezos, Bill Gates, Mark Zuckerberg, Warren Buffett and Larry Ellison — grew their wealth by a total of $101.7 billion (26%), between March 18 and June 17, 2020, alone.

Pandemic profiteers include big tech companies like Zoom and Skype, along with some of the largest retailers. Walmart and Target report record sales this year. 18 And no wonder, when they’ve frequently been the only places that haven’t been shut down. Online retailers like Amazon and Wayfair are also boasting record revenues.

The disparity in treatment of big box stores and small retailers is striking — and illogical. Why is it safe to shop with hundreds of people in a Walmart but unsafe to shop in a store that can only hold a fraction of that? Why has the largest retailers been allowed to remain open while mom and pop shops have been forcibly shut down? It makes no sense, yet the targeted destruction of small businesses continues. As noted by IPS News:

“The COVID pandemic has not been the ‘Great Equalizer’ as suggested by the likes of New York Governor Andrew Cuomo and members of the World Economic Forum. Rather, it has exacerbated existing inequalities along gender, race and economic class divides across the world.”


306516 ▶▶ Ben, replying to Victoria, #710 of 1899 🔗

This time around the middle classes and the millionaires are in the firing line

306589 ▶▶ Silke David, replying to Victoria, #711 of 1899 🔗

I must admit, I have stopped shopping in some independently owned small shops as I am the only person in there and the person serving me has insisted on a face covering or sanitizer.
It is less hassle to shop in the anonymity of a a large chain shop.

306328 Victoria, replying to Victoria, #712 of 1899 🔗

COVID-19, the Great Inequity

James Corbett of the Corbett Report discusses this shocking revelation in the video. As it turns out, the young girl’s father is Robert Glass, a senior researcher at Sandia National Laboratories, who worked on pandemic emergency response plans for the U.S. Department of Homeland Security.


306347 ▶▶ HoMojo, replying to Victoria, 2, #713 of 1899 🔗

Quite, lockdowns make poor people poorer. Didn’t we know that from the get go? So is this a covert cleansing, poverty cleansing as opposed to ‘ethnic cleansing’, that convenient euphemism for genocide? So aren’t these governments all over the world killing the poor? So let’s call it what it is: murder. I wanted to write to my MP accusing them of such but thought I’d probably get arrested

306332 Marialta, replying to Marialta, 13, #714 of 1899 🔗

I’ve just had a brilliant idea! Let’s have a bit of fun with this over Christmas, my God we need it. Let’s start a rumour that there’s a new rule that masks don’t have to be worn on Sundays 😂 . What about it?

306339 ▶▶ Crystal Decanter, replying to Marialta, 3, #715 of 1899 🔗

Vaccines are white supremacy against the BAMES

306374 ▶▶ Tom Blackburn, replying to Marialta, #716 of 1899 🔗

New strain found. Cat Covid.

306994 ▶▶ Jo Dominich -, replying to Marialta, #717 of 1899 🔗

Why not go the whole way and declare Saturday’s and Sunday’s total mask free days and then increase that to Fridays etc.

306333 kh1485, replying to kh1485, 35, #718 of 1899 🔗

Matt Hancock: “This time is the busiest time for the NHS …” It’s also one of the busiest times for hospitality, you twat.

306345 ▶▶ Tiberius, replying to kh1485, 3, #719 of 1899 🔗

He’s playing darts right now.

306384 ▶▶ Julian, replying to kh1485, 4, #720 of 1899 🔗

Being busy is what any organisation ought to be, isn’t it? At least sometimes. Otherwise, why do they exist? What a stupid remark from Hancock.

306393 ▶▶▶ kh1485, replying to Julian, 6, #721 of 1899 🔗

Patrick Christys on talkRADIO just likened Matt Hancock’s announcement to something David Brent might have come out with. Quite.

306408 ▶▶▶▶ Julian, replying to kh1485, 1, #722 of 1899 🔗

Ha ha, very good. He makes David Brent look charming.

306340 Victoria, replying to Victoria, 7, #723 of 1899 🔗

Government Confirms No Coercion For Vaccine

Yeah Right!

If only we can believe that

306351 ▶▶ George L, replying to Victoria, 3, #724 of 1899 🔗

Absolutely. I take anything these rats say with a huge pinch of salt. The Rockefeller Foundation want their Commons Pass , which is all part of the control plan for us plebs. To think Bozo and his cohorts would go against the plan is pushing things beyond the believable..

307608 ▶▶ richard riewer, replying to Victoria, #725 of 1899 🔗

How sweet of them.

306342 DressageRider, 5, #726 of 1899 🔗

Greetings Fellow LS,

Last night I happened to take off the shelf the 1990 edition of Oliver Sacks’ monumental Awakenings . If any of you don’t know it, it is about the use of a novel drug, L-DOPA, in the 1960s on encephalitis patients who had caught this dreadful condition possibly in conjunction with the flu pandemic following the First World War. It is an amazing book and worth reading for what it tells us about medicine and the human condition.

Anyhow, Dr Sacks had difficulties at first in getting the medical establishment to publish or recognise his findings. Following an initial journal publication in 1970 he was rounded upon and villified.

He says:

“I had not properly realised until this time the power of wish to distort and deny – and its prevelance in this complex situation, where the enthusiasm of doctors and the distress of patients might lie in unconscious collusion, equally concerned to wish away an unpalatable truth”

AND goes on……..

“I put everything I could in an orthodox or conventional format – papers full of statistics and figures and tables and graphs – and submitted these to varoius medical and neurological journals. To my amazement and chagrin, none was accepted – some of them indeed elicited vehemently censorious even violent rejections as if there was something intolerable in what I had written. This confirmed my feeling that a deep nerve had been struck”
[p. xxxii of Foreword]

Sound familiar?

The medical establishment came round finally by 1982 when all the practitioners had seen similar results to Dr Sacks with their own patients.

306343 Edward, replying to Edward, 9, #727 of 1899 🔗

It’s slightly encouraging, though no more than that, to hear the hospitality, arts and sport sectors now complaining about restrictions, rather than spouting platitudes about “keeping everyone safe”. They are still a long way from actually resisting. Here’s something from the weekly email “London Jazz News”.

“As we prepare our last newsletter before Christmas, the yo-yoing of UK government policy has just enforced a soul-destroying THIRD round of live gig cancellations. We see another round of planning and expense for nothing – and want to praise this community and industry for its resilience in the face of wave after wave of lockdown.”

Resilience, maybe, but I would like to see them giving much stronger and more overt and frequent criticism of government policies than they have shown so far.

306560 ▶▶ Sue, replying to Edward, 1, #728 of 1899 🔗

agree – it seems the arts sector has just taken it all lying down but as i understand it less of them get any government support as they’re self employed. I suspect and i mean no no disrespect that most are more left/liberal minded and wouldn’t want to be seen as granny killers.

306348 Ben, replying to Ben, 11, #729 of 1899 🔗
306352 ▶▶ Seansaighdeoir, replying to Ben, 1, #730 of 1899 🔗

He’s been pretty good in some his comments about this but framing it likes it a right / left issue is lazy and dishonest.

306363 ▶▶▶ Ben, replying to Seansaighdeoir, 6, #731 of 1899 🔗

I respectfully disagree. The ‘Left’ (for some strange and unknown reason) has been more pro-lockdown. I dread a Starmer led Labour Government

306373 ▶▶▶▶ Tom Blackburn, replying to Ben, 14, #732 of 1899 🔗

I have to agree with you and I am a former lefty. Now see myself as anti government / libertarian rather than old fashioned terms of left right. Ethics are of paramount importance right now, colour of party does not matter at all.

306387 ▶▶▶▶▶ Crystal Decanter, replying to Tom Blackburn, 2, #733 of 1899 🔗

Spot on
The Coronatarians are on all sides except the peoples

306399 ▶▶▶▶▶ George L, replying to Tom Blackburn, 3, #734 of 1899 🔗

Well said Tom. I gave up on party politics years ago. Its nothing but kabuki theatre. A distraction for the masses, who misguidedly think their vote counts in a democracy. Instead we have an elected dictatorship.

306376 ▶▶▶▶ Crystal Decanter, replying to Ben, 4, #735 of 1899 🔗

There is no Left/Right in this country
a) Neo Liberal Elite Party
b) Neo Liberal Woke Party

Both are fully signed up to Coronatarianism

306380 ▶▶▶▶ Seansaighdeoir, replying to Ben, 4, #736 of 1899 🔗

Only because they are not in power. I share your thoughts on Starmer – he is a member of the tri-lateral commission so knows where his bread is buttered, hence the rhetoric. He is neck deep in the swamp but isn’t the left, just another ‘branch’ of the establishment. At the moment he doesn’t have to ‘sell’ this to the people but that will change should he ever get power.

306402 ▶▶▶▶▶ George L, replying to Seansaighdeoir, 7, #737 of 1899 🔗

I’d like to see Starmer exposed more for what he actually is, and what he stands for. He’s getting away lightly at the moment.

306430 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Seansaighdeoir, replying to George L, 1, #738 of 1899 🔗

Yes but no chance with the media we have. We basically live in a corporatocracy now.

306382 ▶▶▶▶ RickH, replying to Ben, 2, #739 of 1899 🔗

THe actual ‘left’ (i.e not the establishment PLP/Starmer) has been woefully split, and a lot have similarly backed the wrong horse in a pathetically short-sighted bit of posturing. But that fissipariousness is nothing new.

They are a mixed assortment, a million miles from the radicalism of Orwell and others in that liberal left tradition.

306592 ▶▶▶▶ Jo Dominich -, replying to Ben, 2, #740 of 1899 🔗

Starmer is definitely not Labour. He is more Johnson than Johnson. What he is doing to the Labour Party is scandalous really. He is nothing more than a tin pot dictator who is itching to become the next Dictator of the UK. God help us if he ever gets into power. The UK would be controlled absolutely by the Israeli Government.

306368 ▶▶▶ RickH, replying to Seansaighdeoir, 2, #741 of 1899 🔗

… and Starmer’s Labour isn’t ‘left’ by any stretch of the imagination. It’s part of the centrist establishment pole-climbing mush. Thus the antagonism to Corbyn and the embrace of the right-wing Israel Lobby, so close to the security establishment.

306381 ▶▶▶▶ Julian, replying to RickH, #742 of 1899 🔗

Out of interest, before Corbyn which Labour leaders and Labour adminstrations would you consider to have been “Left”, and why?

306407 ▶▶▶▶▶ George L, replying to Julian, 1, #743 of 1899 🔗

The last true left leader of the Labour Party was Michael Foot, and maybe at a pinch Jim Callaghan. All those since have been faux left bourgeoisie, with absolutely no loyalty to the working class. Champagne socialists..

306622 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Julian, replying to George L, 1, #744 of 1899 🔗

I’m no Leftie but I thought Foot was a decent bloke

306989 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Jo Dominich -, replying to George L, #745 of 1899 🔗

I’d put Harold Wilson in there too.

306385 ▶▶▶▶ Seansaighdeoir, replying to RickH, 1, #746 of 1899 🔗

I agree which was basically my point. At the moment its simply two sides of the same ‘establishment’ looking who can serve their masters better. Both parties are heavily infiltrated by the ‘friends of..’ lobby.

306409 ▶▶▶▶▶ George L, replying to Seansaighdeoir, #747 of 1899 🔗

Yeah.. those you can’t criticise!

306594 ▶▶▶▶ Jo Dominich -, replying to RickH, #748 of 1899 🔗

Couldn’t agree more. He is incompetent, arrogoant, ignorant about politics and is two faced. He stood on a ticket of unifying the Labour Party and has done just the opposite. In my view, there is no Labour Party any more, it should be rebranded as The British Zionist Party who are Starmer’s financial backers.

306389 ▶▶ dpj, replying to Ben, 3, #749 of 1899 🔗

If you replace the word ‘left’ with opposition then I agree. Labour should be getting ripped in to how the government has overreacted and used and continues to use incorrect data to justify it rather than getting them to go further in wrong direction.

306349 calchas, replying to calchas, 25, #750 of 1899 🔗

Assume for a moment that the goal of government is to extend the State of Emergency as long as possible, or at least as long as necessary.

Then, we see that the take-up rate of the vaccine doesn’t matter.

if ‘not enough’ people take it, then the perfect reason is there for continution of the State of Emergency.

If ‘enough’ people do take it, then well of course it won’t stop you transmitting etc etc, we will still need to keep measures in place.

In my opinion the point of the ‘vaccine’ is to absorb public energy and public discussion, and consume time, while entrenching the new regime in place, by keeping hope of a return to normality alive.

Covid is not a medical phenomenon, but a sociopolitical one, and therefore cannot be ended by a vaccine.

306353 ▶▶ Ben, replying to calchas, 7, #751 of 1899 🔗

Endless vaccines and vaccine boosters tied to immunity passports is part of the agenda. Guaranteed profits for Pharma and tech industries and greater control of us. China is promoting QR code health passes for the rest of the world. The rest of the world is embracing them

306383 ▶▶▶ George L, replying to Ben, 3, #752 of 1899 🔗

You’ve got it Ben. That’s the plan being implemented!

306379 ▶▶ Julian, replying to calchas, 8, #753 of 1899 🔗

There are those at the top who seem to me like they are enjoying this and don’t want it to end – Hancock, Khan, Drakeford, Sturgeon, Vallance, Whitty, Van Tam, Ferguson. They are getting way more power and attention than they would normally have. I suspect they’d happily carry on forever. The PM, not so much.

306985 ▶▶▶ Jo Dominich -, replying to Julian, 2, #754 of 1899 🔗

Julian you are right I believe that too. It is now power for the sake of it. Sir Desmond Swayne said this week that it’s now time the Scientists and Health professionals were put in their place. Our only hope is the Tory Backbench Rebels now. Or Johnson has to go along with Wancock, Gove, Witless, Unbalanced and Pantsdown.

306354 Bella Donna, replying to Bella Donna, 14, #755 of 1899 🔗

“The Grand County coroner is calling attention to the way the state health department is classifying some deaths. The coroner, Brenda Bock, says two of their five deaths related to COVID-19 were people who died of gunshot wounds.”

306414 ▶▶ Marialta, replying to Bella Donna, 1, #756 of 1899 🔗

Probably a COVID bullet though so all good

306416 ▶▶ George L, replying to Bella Donna, 2, #757 of 1899 🔗

Yes.. but were the bullets tipped with deadly Covid.. 😉

306358 Andrew K, replying to Andrew K, 2, #758 of 1899 🔗

This was posted on a financial website for a company that sells PCR testing, boy have the people been barinwashed.

12 Dec ’20 – 01:12 – 44239 of 44452
Mcrudden11 Dec ’20 – 23:58 – 44237 of 44238

and here in UK Boris is relaxing the rules.


My country, Italy, has always had a very bad reputation at government level, however, for once, they are doing something right: extremely tight rules on the 25th, 26th and 1st of January, practically total lockdown.

BORIS JOHNSON should be jailed.

306367 ▶▶ Ben, replying to Andrew K, 4, #759 of 1899 🔗

I read a comment on here several days ago that said a PCR test factory somewhere had been targeted by protestors. I don’t know if it’s true or not. A testing centre was burned down on the Ivory Coast several months back

306362 Basics, replying to Basics, 10, #760 of 1899 🔗

The man with the deadest eyes on tv hilary jones (quack) has now been caught in a chemist with no mask. He is the fearmonger that spouts into lives sitting next to morgan.

Brought to mind the Viking phenomenon called the Blood Eagle, it was once used in the British Isles.

306366 ▶▶ Tom Blackburn, replying to Basics, 6, #761 of 1899 🔗

They are all being shown up, aren’t they? Yet people still have an unshakeable faith in the rules. I think it is bizarre.

306369 ▶▶ Liam, replying to Basics, 1, #762 of 1899 🔗

It’s long past time it made a comeback in his case.

306372 ▶▶ Bella Donna, replying to Basics, 2, #763 of 1899 🔗

Blood Eagling would be a good punishment for Whitty and Vallance not forgetting their stooge Wankok!

306422 ▶▶ George L, replying to Basics, #764 of 1899 🔗

That prat should have been sacked years ago..

306977 ▶▶ Jo Dominich -, replying to Basics, #765 of 1899 🔗

Yes and Tobia Ellwood on TR saying the worse thing people could do is meet up over Christmas because it would spark thousands of deaths was a Christmas Party with 27 other people in a Private Members club. He claims it was a business meeting but on the organisation’s calender it most definitely states ‘Christmas Party’. He should be arrested and fined £10,000. This must be going on amongst loads of MPs, health managers etc without our knowledge. It’s only when they get rumbled that we get to hear about it.

306370 Julian, replying to Julian, 2, #766 of 1899 🔗

This from Recovery on vaccines:

It could be worse but it is disappointing from a sceptic organisation.

1) They have no business encouraging anyone to be vaccinated
2) They are conceding vaccines are the way to getting back to normal, which concedes the point that Something Must Be Done – fatal IMO

I signed up as a supporter and made a small donation but they’ve been pretty disappointing so far. I have tried to enagage them in dialogue but they don’t seem interested

Dear Supporter

We welcome safe, effective vaccines.

The approval of vaccines must be the cue to open up society as swiftly as possible, and we look to the MHRA for regular monitoring on the comparative safety and efficacy of such vaccines in people of different ages, and with different co-morbidities.

We oppose restrictions that do more harm than good.

Once the vulnerable, and then front-line staff, have had the opportunity to be vaccinated, the damage and danger of continuing restrictions far outweighs any possible benefit.
Therefore, it is indefensible to continue restrictions once a vaccine has been made available to those groups; we welcome vaccines as the key to the swiftest possible recovery for society.

We therefore encourage the widespread voluntary take-up of vaccines, without either overt or covert coercion, acknowledging that there will need to be prioritisation initially, but as soon as possible making them available to all who want them.

We continue to campaign for the Five Reasonable Demands of Recovery .

Many thanks


306400 ▶▶ Voz 0db, replying to Julian, #767 of 1899 🔗

They already received from you MONEY, so they don’t give a fuck about you any more…

306405 ▶▶▶ Julian, replying to Voz 0db, 1, #768 of 1899 🔗

I think there are easier ways to make money. I expect they are genuine, just not doing much of a good job engaging with supporters. Probably a very small organisation with limited resources.

306404 ▶▶ Thomas_E, replying to Julian, 3, #769 of 1899 🔗

I was supporter..not anymore. back to square one.

306426 ▶▶ George L, replying to Julian, 3, #770 of 1899 🔗

Same shit, just a different name. These people will not go against the money cabal under any circumstances. Just more charlatans.

306463 ▶▶▶ Julian, replying to George L, 1, #771 of 1899 🔗

I doubt this has to do with any “money cabal” – it’s simply that the idea that Something Must Be Done has become very ingrained in almost everyone, and it is hard for people to think outside that mindset and just accept there’s not much that can be done

306525 ▶▶▶▶ George L, replying to Julian, #772 of 1899 🔗

Julian.. I have to disagree. If you don’t do as you’re told you don’t get anywhere near power. The money cabal controls all, and has done since at least the 19th century. It was the cabal that have brought us every catastrophic war since, and are controlling this situation now..

306621 ▶▶▶▶▶ Julian, replying to George L, #773 of 1899 🔗

We may be talking at cross purposes

“Recovery” are a campaign group pressing for a more sensible approach to covid. I don’t agree with their approach on everything, but nevertheless I feel they are doing more good than harm to our cause.

I don’t think they are influenced by or wanting to influence or gain favour with any “money cabal”

Personally I find it hard to reconcile encouraging people to get vaccinated with a realistic and reasoned opposition to the lockdowns, but they obviously feel differently

306440 ▶▶ DressageRider, replying to Julian, 2, #774 of 1899 🔗

If they continue at the same rate of 130,000 vaccinations per week, then they will be taking 198 weeks to get to the healthy 50 – 60 age group !!

306971 ▶▶▶ Jo Dominich -, replying to DressageRider, #775 of 1899 🔗

Ah, remember you have a choice there is no coercion. I have a notion that this vaccine thing is going to petre out shortly because of supply problems, because of people reporting significant side effects, because of the expense. I suspect there is a link to a No Deal Brexit inasmuch as there is an element of using it as a diversion away from the hopeless mess the UK has and continues to make of the negotiations. No Deal it definitely is but until that is announced, there won’t be any let up of this CV-19 shit. There will then be a massive propaganda flurry of how Johnson ‘saved British sovereignty’, stood up to the EU, showed them who was boss etc. Never mind the dreadful impact it will have on an already severely bankrupt economy. CV-19 will then be put on the back burner for a while.

306605 ▶▶ alw, replying to Julian, #776 of 1899 🔗

I made a donation too but subsequently discovered Jon Dobinson has had several reincarnations.

306378 Old Bill, replying to Old Bill, 22, #777 of 1899 🔗

Well my friends it is all over now isn’t it. It doesn’t matter if the current shitshow finishes tomorrow or next week, next year, or next decade, it will not finish for long.

The lessons have all been learned, the precedents have all been set, the legislation is all in place (don’t for one moment ever believe that it will ever be repealed). All that is necessary is rinse and repeat.

Governments around the world have learnt the value of fear and misinformation as a weapon and certainly in the west have learned that supine acceptance of any and all restrictions is the default stance of the vast majority.

Why do they target demonstrations against lockdowns whilst ignoring those against climate change or BLM? Because they fear the former and not the latter. It is another manifestation of the tactic adopted by the khmer rouge – arresting people wearing glasses as they were considered to be intellectuals and therefore capable of questioning the regime. No doubt the climate change lobby has some intelligent spokespersons, but they are ‘on message’ and therefor not to be feared, lockdown sceptics are different and need to be TSG’d.

The next fear war will inevitably be CO2, breathe out and you are an enemy of the state, indeed they can probably carry over the mask mandate to cover that eventuality as well. “Wearing a face mask at all times reduces your carbon footprint by x%” Where x = any figure you care to make up.

Coronavirus is just the B movie before the main feature.

So what to do about it?

Nothing because we have already lost.

306397 ▶▶ Thomas_E, replying to Old Bill, 6, #778 of 1899 🔗

At least another one that agrees with me..I have been screaming in the dark about this for months on this site.

306401 ▶▶ Crystal Decanter, replying to Old Bill, 19, #779 of 1899 🔗

The Coronatarian system will collapse under its on weight, and one must do everything in ones power, however small, to facilitate

306437 ▶▶ George L, replying to Old Bill, 1, #780 of 1899 🔗

Yes.. I’d go with that. I don’t think we’ve seen anything yet. They’ve had this pie baking for a long time and they’re not going to risk it going flat by opening the oven door to soon..

306450 ▶▶ Neil Hartley, replying to Old Bill, #781 of 1899 🔗

“because they fear the former and not the latter” – I disagree with that, they ARE the latter!!

306509 ▶▶ Ben, replying to Old Bill, 1, #782 of 1899 🔗

Speak out. Nothing to lose

306536 ▶▶ JHuntz, replying to Old Bill, 5, #783 of 1899 🔗

I’d agree with this and unfortunately we are the start of our new found oppression. The swinging 70s really were the best time to be alive. In a way i’m sad i’m a millenium but I feel even worse for the next generation at least I experienced freedom and uninhibited travel.

306390 Jonny S., replying to Jonny S., 6, #784 of 1899 🔗

Don’t know why but had a quick look at the bbc website to see how we are to be punished for chrimble misgivings.

Labour’s shadow health secretary Jonathan Ashworth has responded to Hancock’s statement.
He says given the number of deaths, rising cases and people being treated in hospital with Covid, Labour “accepts and understands” why Hancock has had to move areas into the higher tiers today, “even though that means tens of millions of people across England are now living under the toughest restrictions”.

However in the bbc’s own summary on the same page

New data shows English hospital beds are 89% full – above target but emptier than last year

So hospitals not as full as last year, deaths falling.

“go on Wancock lock the bastards down” so say Labour.

306588 ▶▶ HoMojo, replying to Jonny S., 2, #785 of 1899 🔗

As someone who once supported the (real) Labour Party I cannot express how much I loathe them now. And that creep Ashworth is the mirror image of Handjob.

306961 ▶▶▶ Jo Dominich -, replying to HoMojo, 1, #786 of 1899 🔗

I too supported the real Labour Party for years but under Comrade Dictator Keir Stalin it’s now become the British Zionist Party. Stalin Starmer is infinitely worse than Johnson and that really is saying something!

306391 captainbeefheart, replying to captainbeefheart, 26, #787 of 1899 🔗

Looks like we are going into tier 3 where I am.

What a total bunch of absolute fucking cunts.

306395 ▶▶ Voz 0db, replying to captainbeefheart, 6, #788 of 1899 🔗

Enjoy democracy and freedom!

306411 ▶▶▶ captainbeefheart, replying to Voz 0db, 17, #789 of 1899 🔗

I’ve not trusted the government for about 19 years now, I never thought people would be stupid enough to let them get away with doing anything like this to us, but I was wrong…

306424 ▶▶▶▶ Paul, replying to captainbeefheart, 18, #790 of 1899 🔗

Nor did I,centuries of struggle to attain human rights and democracy has been thrown away in just 10 months without so much as a murmur,I’m starting to hate the collaborating public even more that I hate Johnson and his cronies.

306452 ▶▶▶▶▶ George L, replying to Paul, 10, #791 of 1899 🔗

I know exactly how you feel. Three of my Grandad’s brothers never came back from the trenches in WW1. Imagine that! Why did those boys give their lives in that war.. just so that their namby pamby, cosseted descendants could cower behind a mask and sofa from some non existent bug. Yes I am fucking angry..

306501 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ captainbeefheart, replying to George L, 6, #792 of 1899 🔗

My great grandfather was slaughtered at Verdun at the age of 29 (apparently, riding around in no man’s land on a horse was no match for a German machine gun)

All of that was because a few powerful cousins fell out with each other and wanted a competition to see who got to rule the world.

306570 ▶▶▶▶▶ Voz 0db, replying to Paul, 1, #793 of 1899 🔗

I call that “The Herd of modern moron slaves”… But my fellow slaves thing that’s too much!

Guess they’re living on another Planet!

306428 ▶▶▶▶ kh1485, replying to captainbeefheart, 13, #794 of 1899 🔗

I thought people would have realised what was going on before now, but no, on we go. Their supplication has been nauseating to witness. If they want this shit for themselves then fine, but I’m effing angry that their submission, means it’s for me too. As Mark says, ‘Never forgive, never forget’

306568 ▶▶▶▶ Voz 0db, replying to captainbeefheart, 2, #795 of 1899 🔗

Never underestimate the power of Ignorance.

306419 ▶▶ Paul, replying to captainbeefheart, 12, #796 of 1899 🔗

We are staying in insanity level 3 too,the figures for this area don’t justify it,I’ve been living in hope of the slim chance we might be able to actually go out for a meal and drink,you know,something that is actually fucking enjoyable,before christmas,but no,we can still go and cram in a supermarket with 200 other people though or have a haircut so I assume we must prostrate ourselves in praise of the mighty benevolent enlightened ones that have fucked this country big time and have no intention of stopping until existence is completely pointless.
Until they are made to feel real pain and fear for their own lives this will never end.

306429 ▶▶▶ Neil Hartley, replying to Paul, 8, #797 of 1899 🔗

No figures justify it.

306432 ▶▶▶▶ Paul, replying to Neil Hartley, 2, #798 of 1899 🔗

Well said.

306586 ▶▶▶ HoMojo, replying to Paul, 5, #799 of 1899 🔗

That was the whole point. To take the joy out of living. No recreation, no culture, no art, no sport, no sex if you don’t live together, no gathering for food and/or drink. That was always the damn point

306439 ▶▶ PatrickF, replying to captainbeefheart, 8, #800 of 1899 🔗

Like my area Tunbridge Wells, in tier three from tier one we’re obviously not taking enough personal responsibility to bring the virus down. That’s Wankcock’s explanation. Nothing to do with a seasonal virus.

306447 ▶▶▶ Sam Vimes, replying to PatrickF, 5, #801 of 1899 🔗

P oliticians C an’t R everse.

306486 ▶▶ Tenchy, replying to captainbeefheart, 3, #802 of 1899 🔗

I thought we (Middlesbrough and surrounding area) would be coming out of it, but no. The bastards are keeping us in it, despite a significant decline in “cases”. Where’s the transparency of the decision-making process?

306519 ▶▶▶ captainbeefheart, replying to Tenchy, #803 of 1899 🔗

This is probably happening in my area because the percentage of deaths “with” covid-19 must have gone up by about 2,000,000% since a friend of mine died of cancer the other week (and tested positive the day she died)

306394 Fingerache Philip., replying to Fingerache Philip., 19, #804 of 1899 🔗

Eat your Christmas dinner outside; Brings a new meaning to “Cold Turkey” , don’t it?

306464 ▶▶ anon, replying to Fingerache Philip., #805 of 1899 🔗

aaaand bring yer own cold turkey!

306481 ▶▶ TheBluePill, replying to Fingerache Philip., 3, #806 of 1899 🔗

It’s just psychological training, getting sheople used to automatically doing things that defy logic and cause discomfort. Today it’s open all your windows, next it may be sending people to the “shower block”.

306396 Basics, replying to Basics, 3, #807 of 1899 🔗

Schwab has had the makeover. Tie off light grey suit open collar. Pressing his thumb into the side of his index finger as Bliar does, and now Boris. See Corbett Report latest Solutions Pysical Media for schwab clip. Under the WEF The Great Reset banner schwab is talking EMP/digital virus are the real terrors of our lives now.

306434 ▶▶ Basics, replying to Basics, 1, #808 of 1899 🔗

I keep forgetting to mention all of schwabs video speeches are carefully controlled/manipulations of our perception. Most will already be aware but worth pointing out anyway, he is one weak character type. Consider the position of the camera, down and away from him, almost like a camera in front of a stage looking up at a singer. We are placed looking up to him, cuntish manipulation.

There is a faux impression created he is speaking to an assembled audience. He is not. He is a lonely old monster speaking badly to a vacant room. Actually, reading to an empty room and fluffing his lines now and then. His single backhand wafting gesture is aggressively telling us to be impressed by his achievements. He is a dick.

Part of his make over has been to shift the camera to a more normal level which stops the awfully crude hitler-esque deifying angle of him.

306412 Fingerache Philip., replying to Fingerache Philip., 10, #809 of 1899 🔗

PH says that the people will only take notice when the economy collapses, don’t bank on it,Pete, I honestly believe that when the “soup kitchens” are up and running, the only time the sheep will complain will be when “others” aren’t social distancing and wearing their face nappies.

306421 ▶▶ Crystal Decanter, replying to Fingerache Philip., 3, #810 of 1899 🔗

Depends how hungry they are?
A lot of ham beasts are in for a shock.
Anyone with portion control not so much

306493 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to Fingerache Philip., 2, #811 of 1899 🔗

They’ll vote Labour. That’s how this works. They can’t think outside that box.

How did we get here? They’ll say.

I swear people would rather die of starvation that have the shame of Covid next to their grave

306413 MDH, replying to MDH, 16, #812 of 1899 🔗

Traffic violation revenue collector outside the flat, in an empty street. Masked up, of course. I swear if Khan told people to cut off a finger to save the NHS there’d be a large proportion of people in our “capital” city who would do it.

306443 ▶▶ Basics, replying to MDH, 2, #813 of 1899 🔗

“Excuse me, I hope you don’t mind me asking but I am just wondering why you are wearing a mask in the open air…”

306445 ▶▶▶ Sam Vimes, replying to Basics, 5, #814 of 1899 🔗

“There’s no one else here to protect, and as you know, the mask can’t protect you”
[Optional]: “Plus you look a dick”.

306458 ▶▶▶▶ anon, replying to Sam Vimes, 1, #815 of 1899 🔗


plus you look like a gimp.

306491 ▶▶ Tiberius, replying to MDH, 2, #816 of 1899 🔗

I’m sure a lot of feeble-minded people use mask-wearing as a method of self-assertion.

306500 ▶▶ Andrew K, replying to MDH, 1, #817 of 1899 🔗

How do you know it’s not a trial facial recognition on maskless people. That will be a nice revenue collector when they bring in facemasks in all outside places. Anybody who has a passport or driving license all have their photo on a central government database now.

306453 ▶▶ Sarigan, replying to MutzNutz, 11, #819 of 1899 🔗

And your point is? California are doing really well with the full on mask mandate, Germany mask compliance one of highest in world. If masks work, how come so many ‘cases’ everywhere? Is it just people who don’t wear masks getting ‘infected’?

306531 ▶▶▶ Doodle, replying to Sarigan, 3, #820 of 1899 🔗

He/she/it has no point. Obvious troll is obvious.

306574 ▶▶▶ HoMojo, replying to Sarigan, 3, #821 of 1899 🔗

I dunno, Macron seemed to fetishise about his mask, now look at him.

306489 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to MutzNutz, 3, #822 of 1899 🔗

Plenty in hospital who wearing face masks. If he is blaming his hospitalisation on not wearing one, he’s not thinking straight.

His general health was the reason he was hospitalised most likely.

306528 ▶▶ JHuntz, replying to MutzNutz, 2, #823 of 1899 🔗

What’s your obsession with masks and needles. Have you got some sort of BDSM fetish. this new world order turn you on Mutz?

306530 ▶▶ Doodle, replying to MutzNutz, 5, #824 of 1899 🔗

‘A source told CNN the ad is being paid for by the family foundation of philanthropist Ray Chambers, who currently serves as the ambassador for global strategy for the World Health Organization.’

Ho! Ho! Ho!

Would that be the same WHO which originally stated that face masks were useless before having their feet held to the fire by their political masters?

You are quite possibly the most brain dead lumpen troll that posts here. Don’t get cocky though, it’s a really low bar.

306423 mhcp, replying to mhcp, 3, #825 of 1899 🔗

There should really be a control region to test all the bollocks against.

Maybe Leicester should get it since they’ve been in prison for longest.

306435 ▶▶ Jonathan Palmer, replying to mhcp, 2, #826 of 1899 🔗

No Chance of that because it would expose the scam for what it is.

306455 ▶▶ Julian, replying to mhcp, 4, #827 of 1899 🔗

Heneghan suggested that a while ago

The govt and SAGE do not appear to be the slightest bit interested in working out which measures work or how the virus spreads

306631 ▶▶ p02099003, replying to mhcp, 1, #828 of 1899 🔗

Case numbers are still rising here as are deaths with SARS-CoV-2 (they still call them covid deaths), according to the local Reach plc offering. https://www.leicestermercury.co.uk/news/local-news/seven-crucial-days-consigned-leicestershire-4808220
Of course they have ramped up testing as well with multiple local test stations around the city and county. The local hospital are saying they’re treating more covid patients now than they did in the spring. Really? It couldn’t be that they are testing more and people are picking up remnants of the virus in the hospitals?

306444 Sam Vimes, replying to Sam Vimes, 8, #829 of 1899 🔗

Imagine being able to bully people, feed on their fear and bully them even more, without going near them, or even knowing who they are. That’s some trick.

306446 ▶▶ Paul, replying to Sam Vimes, 17, #830 of 1899 🔗

I was bullied at school,nearly fifty years ago,it only stopped when one day I punched the bully hard in his face and laid him out on the floor.

306467 ▶▶▶ George L, replying to Paul, 4, #831 of 1899 🔗

Good for you Paul.. I can relate, and did exactly the same thing..

306520 ▶▶▶▶ Sam Vimes, replying to George L, 1, #832 of 1899 🔗

That’s the answer. Trouble is, we can’t rach these bullies.

306771 ▶▶▶▶▶ alw, replying to Sam Vimes, #833 of 1899 🔗

Yes they have to call in the SAS to protect them. Easier than protecting the real terrorists amongst us.

307617 ▶▶▶▶▶ richard riewer, replying to Sam Vimes, #834 of 1899 🔗

Storm the Bastille!

306451 Kev, replying to Kev, 7, #835 of 1899 🔗

Just seen an article that said the most googled search in UK for 2020 is:

How to make a face mask

God help us all – FFS

306504 ▶▶ Andrew K, replying to Kev, 8, #836 of 1899 🔗

Next year the most googled thing will be “what plants can I eat”. When everybody is starving

306512 ▶▶▶ Kev, replying to Andrew K, 4, #837 of 1899 🔗

How nutritious are ants or worms.

But it should be:

How do you remove a corrupt and out of control government?

306542 ▶▶▶▶ OKUK, replying to Kev, 1, #838 of 1899 🔗

How do you prove your election was stolen when the courts and the MSM demand signed confessions by the perpetrators and your Department of Justice refuses to investigate?

306914 ▶▶▶ Voz 0db, replying to Andrew K, #839 of 1899 🔗

By that time moron slaves won’t have connection to the WWW!

306539 ▶▶ OKUK, replying to Kev, 3, #840 of 1899 🔗

I really can’t believe that. How many people do you know who make their own face masks? I know precisely none. Sounds like Google lies.

306590 ▶▶▶ Thomas_E, replying to OKUK, 1, #841 of 1899 🔗

All my fucking neighbors who are middle classed well of, working from home women. I have about 5 of them at home which they all make from super colorful fabric and patterns (sick!1) I threw mine away but my wife still has all hers.

306459 Chloe, replying to Chloe, 61, #842 of 1899 🔗

A bit of a personal rant. My husband has been suffering with acute eye pain, vision problems, light sensitivity etc. for the past few weeks.

Getting a GP appointment in person is impossible. He had two phone calls with two different GPs who both diagnosed something different with different medication. Didn’t help.

Ended up calling 111 and taking him to A&E where he waited 5 hours for a 2 minute look over by a doctor who diagnosed sinus issues and sent him away.

Over the course of the next few days his vision got worse and worse, until eventually we paid for a private GP video call who said it’s not sinusitis and to go straight back to hospital again.

But what hospital! We tried calling one and they said don’t come in, go somewhere else. And so on. Finally, after many hours of being on hold, the local eye casualty accepted him. 4 hours later he was diagnosed with a severe and acute eye condition with 8 weeks of treatment, and he needs extra tests to rule out underlying problems. God only knows how these will be organised.

Now, I ask you, why should I be clapping for this absolutely appalling excuse for a healthcare system?

306471 ▶▶ AnotherSceptic, replying to Chloe, 18, #843 of 1899 🔗

That is shocking. I am sorry to hear that Chloe.
It is bang out of order, the NHS are clearly not interested in anything else other than pretending to be overwhelmed with Coronavirus patients.

There really does need to be a civil uprising against this shit, but, unfortunately, we appear to be in the minority & sadly I don’t think that anything like that will happen.

Welcome to the UK 2020, when healthcare & democracy, freedoms & liberties died.

I hope that your husband gets better & can get the treatment that he requires.
I am sickened to hear what you have posted.

306476 ▶▶ Dame Lynet, replying to Chloe, 13, #844 of 1899 🔗

That is utterly abysmal, Chloe, especially for eyesight as it is so precious and there is often a small window in which to get the right treatment. Hopefully, your husband will make a full recovery but I do despair at the thought of this multiplied many times up and down the country, all for absolutely nothing.

306513 ▶▶▶ Chloe, replying to Dame Lynet, 6, #845 of 1899 🔗

Exactly, it’s no doubt being repeated over and over elsewhere and with even more serious outcomes.

The impossibility of being seen in person meant that he was repeatedly misdiagnosed, when he should have been directed to an optometrist straight away. Unfortunately, we had to discover this and take the initiative ourselves.

306538 ▶▶▶▶ thinkaboutit, replying to Chloe, 7, #846 of 1899 🔗

Raise it with PALS at the hospital and also with your GP Practice Manager. I don’t know what GPs are doing this year but it’s almost impossible to get a hospital referral unless it’s an emergency. In that case you might as well dial 999 and cut out the middleman GP. GPs eventually won’t be needed as we’ll all self refer to hospital.

306623 ▶▶▶▶▶ p02099003, replying to thinkaboutit, 3, #847 of 1899 🔗

Except they are bringing i a new system where you effectively need an appointment at A&E, by calling 111 first.

If you do turn up at A&E and they think that you need Urgent Care or your own GP they will make an appointment for you at the relevant service (currently a pilot scheme)

306679 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Chloe, replying to p02099003, #848 of 1899 🔗

They are indeed! We were given an “appointment” by 111 at A&E. the receptionist said it was a new system they were ironing out… bit of an understatement when my husband was seen 5 hours later. This is central London

306950 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Jo Dominich -, replying to p02099003, 3, #849 of 1899 🔗

Unbelievable, just unbelievable. So, you are in chronic distress, pain, agony, suffered a stroke, heart attack, diabetic seizures etc and we need an appointment at A&E via 111. If this was a film, nobody would believe the plot at all. Thank you for posting on this site and telling us the truth.

306483 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to Chloe, 10, #850 of 1899 🔗

This needs to go to your MP and copy in as many bodies as you can think would be implicated. I’m sorry to hear such a tragic series of events.

306508 ▶▶ thinkaboutit, replying to Chloe, 9, #851 of 1899 🔗

Similar experience with getting my son treated. I can only sympathise.

And say that if anyone asks me to clap for the NHS they might end up in A&E. Well at least I’ll use some fruity language.

306524 ▶▶ JHuntz, replying to Chloe, 6, #852 of 1899 🔗

Experienced similar incompetence with my sister only last week. GP actually formed the wrong diagnosis based on symptoms my sister didn’t tell him that she had. Thankfully, my mum has worked as a nurse for abouth 30 years and had to tell him her most likely issue and forced a hospital appointment. She ended up on a drip with an infection that had tracked up to her kidneys. All recovered now but the incompetence could have killed her.

306546 ▶▶▶ Chloe, replying to JHuntz, 3, #853 of 1899 🔗

Shocking. Glad to hear she’s recovered now but it’s terrible that she had to go through that.

306635 ▶▶▶▶ JHuntz, replying to Chloe, #854 of 1899 🔗

Thank you. The treatment youu have received is an absolute disgrace. I am glad you managed to progress things and really hope the 8 week treatment goes well for your husband.

306777 ▶▶ Crystal Decanter, replying to Chloe, 3, #855 of 1899 🔗

The NHS is not interested in anything other than the Bat Cold
My advise is if you have ANY symptoms that could be remotely construed as CoronaCold then play it up to the max

306460 AnotherSceptic, replying to AnotherSceptic, 15, #856 of 1899 🔗

The little dictators daily death speech is live just now.

In Scotland the total number of cases is
Out of a population of 5.76 million people.

The total death toll since the start of the “pandemic” in March now sits at 4,203.

Now, why can’t people see it this way, if you had £5.76 million pounds & someone, say a family member asked you for a loan of £4203, that would be a drop in the ocean to your fortune, infact I dare say that you wouldn’t even bat an eyelid at giving such a sum of money out of your £5.76 million fortune.

But no, the sheep lap this shit up & continue to be scared.

What is the total amount of deaths caused by cancer & other serious illnesses in Scotland? What about deaths caused by road traffic accidents? I am pretty sure that the numbers would be higher than 4203 for any of the above mentioned.

Nicola, you are a nasty, nasty, lying little boot.
Nothing short of a dictator.

I am getting increasingly angry at this shit.
Death cannot be prevented as we all know.

306474 ▶▶ George L, replying to AnotherSceptic, 5, #857 of 1899 🔗

Imagine waking up to that ‘thing’ Stugeron in the morning. I’d slash my bloody wrists..

306505 ▶▶▶ Andrew K, replying to George L, 5, #858 of 1899 🔗

She’ll put that down as a covid death

306496 ▶▶ Basics, replying to AnotherSceptic, 5, #859 of 1899 🔗

Keep an eye on the pro independence website wings over Scotland for exposure of the lies. Not lockdown related but an exposure of the diktat ghouls.

307627 ▶▶▶ richard riewer, replying to Basics, #860 of 1899 🔗

Jamie Blackett in Galloway, Scotland.

306517 ▶▶ JHuntz, replying to AnotherSceptic, 5, #861 of 1899 🔗

You don’t get it though if we hadn’t locked down we’d have at least 10 million deaths in Scotland. Sturgeon is a hero all hail Sturgeon.

306461 kenadams, replying to kenadams, 26, #862 of 1899 🔗

Currently sat on tube carriage. 6 ppl. Me and one other no mask. 2 others masks only over mouth not nose. 2 wearing them properly.

I don’t think people’s hearts are in this anymore. Maybe I’m being too optimistic.

306484 ▶▶ Dame Lynet, replying to kenadams, 11, #863 of 1899 🔗

I sincerely hope you are 100% right, from the bottom of my heart.

306462 DRW, replying to DRW, 22, #864 of 1899 🔗

Swore at someone again today out on a walk, this time at someone swerving and muzzling up as they saw me. I know not personal but still it’s these stupid sheeples that are crucial in perpetuating this bollocks, thanks very fucking much guys. I am admittedly struggling with a lot at the moment but honestly next year might well be my last as the dystopia gets increasingly worse.

306470 ▶▶ Ben, replying to DRW, 12, #865 of 1899 🔗

I agree and understand 100%

Sheeple stupidity is destroying life for everyone else. You might as well speak out. I feel the same as you.

If politicians are pushing people to suicide, then the Government should fund and organise trips to Dignitas in Switzerland. Might as well speak out and express yourself fully.

Sorry you’re in distress.

306465 Binra, 2, #866 of 1899 🔗

“Government Confirms No Coercion For Vaccine”

The nature of a PPP is a lockstepped tango in which the Gov can set guidelines that the corps and institutions then require.

The control of needs is the choking of life as the conditions of compliance.

If the Gov were to serve the public rather than serve us up as lunch, then our natural rights and freedoms would be protected by accessible and enforceable law – such as to disallow the denial of truly common purpose and truly collective needs by any proprietary enforcement.

By all means allow private concerns their right – but not where collectively coerced to operate a global financial monopolism through captured assets – such a Greed Kneel – or is that Green Deal.
The choke on life is like a python, but the sting is like a cobra. For the deceit runs also those who think to save themselves by getting on the bandwagon.

The issue of deceit calls on a true discernment.
Then choose what you shall do.
Be your self.

306466 Moomin, 12, #867 of 1899 🔗

Just sent this to various MPs:

Dear Sirs,

As MPs I have corresponded with since the government’s ill thought out and disproportionate lockdown policy began in March, I would like to urge you to keep doing all that you can to end the government’s blind obsession with lockdowns that do not even work.

As a policy it is cruel and inhumane and is causing loss of life and the destruction of our economy and way of life all based on the false and exaggerated premise of our being under a ‘vicious threat’ from a virus that over 99% of people recover from and that, according to Boris Johnson and Chris Whitty, is mild for most people, even the most vulnerable.

Our area of West Yorkshire will continue to be in ‘tier 3’ (a stupid and random system if ever there was one) despite all the evidence to the contrary.

It is imperative that Matt Hancock is reined in before it is too late. This herd insanity that has gripped the government and the media like some kind of bizarre spell must be broken somehow so please do all that you can.

Kind regards,

306468 Dan Clarke, replying to Dan Clarke, 3, #868 of 1899 🔗

Matt the **** is at it again, more tiers

306482 ▶▶ Darryl, replying to Dan Clarke, 15, #869 of 1899 🔗

The politicians love punishing the compliant sheep – they still don’t realise the more they submit and obey the worst it will be for them in the long run.

Sure it is some satanic / masonic ritual they are carrying out, they look like they are loving every minute of controlling the slaves / prisoners.

306944 ▶▶▶ Jo Dominich -, replying to Darryl, 1, #870 of 1899 🔗

Yes Darryl, one of the things that is really grating now is that the Government and Wancock keep saying ‘it depends how people behave’ as if we are too blame. The reality is that there is an extraordinary high level of compliance yet no one in the Government ever acknowledges there serious consequences of their policities on peoples livelihoods, homes, careers, jobs etc. So massive sacrifices by dictat of the cabal in power made by the British citizens yet all this is somehow still our fault.

Well, I guess the sheeples got the Government they deserved didn’t they because I sure as hell didn’t

306469 Neil Hartley, replying to Neil Hartley, 12, #871 of 1899 🔗

The data showing 95% efficacy of the Pfizer vaccine exposes the massive PCR scam (see Hodgkinson’s comments in the main text). The placebo group had 22,000 people of which 162 tested positive for the virus. Let’s assume they tested them properly. That’s an infection rate of 0.7%. We’re doing 300,000 tests per day which would lead to 2,200 positive tests at 0.7% IR. Yet we’re told of 20,000+ new ‘cases’ every day using PCR. Yeadon was right all along that the number of false positives is c90% of all positive results using PCR (2,200 correct positives, the rest of the 20,000+ being false positives).

306617 ▶▶ Mayo, replying to Neil Hartley, -1, #872 of 1899 🔗

Depends when the tests are carried out. Over summer UK (and elsewhere) positivity rates were close to zero. Those running the trials were concerned that there wouldn’t be enough positive cases but infection rates picked up.

Basically you are comparing different time periods You are also comparing those in the trial who are randomly exposed with more targeted testing in Pillar 1 & Pillar 2 tests.

306472 Cheezilla, 3, #873 of 1899 🔗

Members of the military won’t be required to take a coronavirus vaccine when it comes available through a new trial plan the Pentagon announced Wednesday, but that could change if the Food and Drug Administration moves beyond the emergency approval that currently allows for the initial distribution of the vaccine.

“Voluntary for everyone,” Army Lt. Gen. Ronald Place, chief of the Defense Health Agency, told reporters at a press conference at the Pentagon. “No ifs, ands or buts about it. Voluntary for everyone.”


306473 Ben, replying to Ben, 31, #874 of 1899 🔗

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306487 ▶▶ First Minister of Bubbledom, replying to Ben, 9, #875 of 1899 🔗

I died months ago

306695 ▶▶ Nobody2020, replying to Ben, 2, #876 of 1899 🔗

I do believe we have found the secret to immortality…

A line from South Park – “Make Love, Not Warcraft” episode.

307021 ▶▶▶ Two-Six, replying to Nobody2020, #877 of 1899 🔗

World of WarCrack

306477 Nessimmersion, replying to Nessimmersion, 22, #878 of 1899 🔗


306485 ▶▶ Ben, replying to Nessimmersion, 2, #879 of 1899 🔗

I’ve read conspiracy theories – that it’s a sneaky way of administering the vaccine

306548 ▶▶▶ Crystal Decanter, replying to Ben, 1, #880 of 1899 🔗

I posted a vid from a Doctor saying the exact same thing a few days ago.
A bit to Jesus freaky but the essence was the same

306562 ▶▶ Voz 0db, replying to Nessimmersion, 5, #881 of 1899 🔗

“It’s JUST a face mask!”
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306490 Basics, replying to Basics, 2, #882 of 1899 🔗

Lateral flow. Richie Allen Radio Show yesterday. Excellent anaylsis of the Lateral Flow test and the discrediting by unethical scientists and academics. Coverage from the start. Uses MSM interviews with ‘ahem’ experts ‘ahem’.


306515 ▶▶ Basics, replying to Basics, #883 of 1899 🔗

Slight correction.. the really important lateral flow coverage begins at 5 mins in. There is a variety of short radio type snippets in first five minutes which may disorientate folk from the description I gave above. Starts 5 mins in.

306541 ▶▶ Voz 0db, replying to Basics, 1, #884 of 1899 🔗

Lateral flow PoS is even worse than PCR!

An Austrian MP uses a lateral flow test on a glass of coke and it comes back positive.

306543 ▶▶ Barney McGrew, replying to Basics, #885 of 1899 🔗

I’ve not heard this guy before. He’s great!

306494 NappyFace, 2, #886 of 1899 🔗

From WHO: https://www.who.int/news/item/14-12-2020-who-information-notice-for-ivd-users

As with any diagnostic procedure, the positive and negative predictive values for the product in a given testing population are important to note. As the positivity rate for SARS-CoV-2 decreases, the positive predictive value also decreases. This means that the probability that a person who has a positive result (SARS-CoV-2 detected) is truly infected with SARS-CoV-2 decreases as positivity rate decreases, irrespective of the assay specificity. Therefore, healthcare providers are encouraged to take into consideration testing results along with clinical signs and symptoms, confirmed status of any contacts, etc.

306507 captainbeefheart, replying to captainbeefheart, 10, #887 of 1899 🔗

I’ve got to pay my personal tax in January and corporation tax in March.

Should I withhold these funds?

Is there any legal remedy out there which helps me not fund a tyrannical government or would I just be asking to be put in prison? (not that prison would be much different to “normal” life…)

306526 ▶▶ Kev, replying to captainbeefheart, 5, #888 of 1899 🔗

There is something called an Escrow account, whereby you allocate the funds to pay the tax, but its conditional upon parameters that you set, such as the UK Government repaels the Covid-19 Act and returns UK life to pre March 2020 stste.

I don’t give this as legal advise, I’m not a solicitor, but if this did work and thousands of us did it, it could make a big difference.

306549 ▶▶ HoMojo, replying to captainbeefheart, 2, #889 of 1899 🔗

Same reason that withholding tax because one might think Trident is immoral doesn’t wash either. The courts are not on your side. After all who pays them? (Well we do, but through the crooked mafia called a government.)

306552 ▶▶ Jonathan Palmer, replying to captainbeefheart, 1, #890 of 1899 🔗

As long as you don’t make a point because millions won’t be paying because the haven’t got it

306571 ▶▶ John Stitch non stop dancer, replying to captainbeefheart, 2, #891 of 1899 🔗

Yes do it! I paid taxes etc like many and got fuck all in return no healthcare/dental paying for dwarf Police implementing Ministerial dictacs.Im PAYE can I get a rebate?

306587 ▶▶▶ arfurmo, replying to John Stitch non stop dancer, #892 of 1899 🔗

“Im PAYE can I get a rebate?” No -next question

306608 ▶▶ Evoluon, replying to captainbeefheart, #893 of 1899 🔗

Your tax doesn’t fund the uk government because it has its own sovereign currency. Your argument would be valid for local government charges or if you were living in a Eurozone country.

306514 Victoria, replying to Victoria, 4, #894 of 1899 🔗

UK Government Confirms No Coercion For Vaccine


HOSTAGE: Maryland politician John Delaney says struggling Americans should only receive stimulus checks if they get vaccinated for Covid-19

….. so can we trust the UK government?

306533 ▶▶ Voz 0db, replying to Victoria, 2, #895 of 1899 🔗

If at this point in time you’re still asking that… Sorry my fellow slave, we need to wake the hell up!

Unless that’s a trick question!!!

306535 ▶▶ leggy, replying to Victoria, 2, #896 of 1899 🔗

No, we can’t.

306551 ▶▶ Crystal Decanter, replying to Victoria, 4, #897 of 1899 🔗

I do not believe a single word uttered from this authoritarian Governments mouth

306666 ▶▶ Darryl, replying to Victoria, #898 of 1899 🔗

Is there really still a UK government for this level of decisions? everything appears to have been decided on an international level for months.

Each country will scam their citizens using different methods – can’t believe lockdownsceptics doesn’t thing we will be coerced, not lifting lockdown until a certain percentage of the population takes it sounds a lot like coercion to me!

306518 Victoria, replying to Victoria, 16, #899 of 1899 🔗

Asymptomatic Covid-19 spread isn’t real, so why are people still wearing a mask?

After more than nine months of hysterical fearmongering about healthy people supposedly spreading the Wuhan coronavirus (Covid-19) asymptomatically, science has confirmed that asymptomatic spread of the novel virus is not actually a real thing. So why, then, are we still being told that healthy people need to wear a face covering when out in public?


306527 ▶▶ Harry hopkins, replying to Victoria, 22, #900 of 1899 🔗

You know as well as I do Victoria, that mask wearing was never about health but was always about social control.

306532 ▶▶▶ Leemc23, replying to Harry hopkins, 12, #901 of 1899 🔗

Harry is spot on here. It’s the second “benefit” of mask use that the WHO put forward. It’s not about medical risk reduction and everything about social control

306580 ▶▶▶ DavidC, replying to Harry hopkins, 2, #902 of 1899 🔗

Social control and/or virtue signalling by the wearer(s).


306943 ▶▶▶ SmokeandMirrors, replying to Harry hopkins, 1, #903 of 1899 🔗

Ask a zombie whether a law could ever be passed that allowed home-made car seat belts made of string and paperclips.
Ask them whether such a law would be more concerned with compliance than safety.

306529 ▶▶ Voz 0db, replying to Victoria, 6, #904 of 1899 🔗

The purpose of mask mandates is to IDENTIFY the level of obedience among the Herd of modern moron slaves.

The SRF & Billionaires now have a visual identification tool that’s allows to assert that level.

This tool (mask) has TWO GREAT PROPERTIES:

1st – already wrote. The level is huge.

2nd – It also shows Them the level of Ignorance. And again it is also follows the level of obedience, very high levels.

Doesn’t matter the number of new papers! We already had hundreds of those and yet…

306591 ▶▶▶ Thomas_E, replying to Voz 0db, 3, #905 of 1899 🔗

Sorry , I have to correct you there .It also has a 3rd – which is to identify all the people who cannot be controlled and who think with their own heads, The dissenters, the rebels, the people they need to be careful of.

306923 ▶▶▶▶ Voz 0db, replying to Thomas_E, 1, #906 of 1899 🔗

Yes… And for that one I’ve made this picture back in the start of OPERATION COVIDIUS!
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In last case those not OBEYING THE OWNERS orders will be persecuted and burned!

This sounds familiar…

306534 ▶▶ calchas, replying to Victoria, 4, #907 of 1899 🔗

.. because if this central node of the narrative disintegrated, then the rational for social control would disintegrate too,

306545 ▶▶ HoMojo, replying to Victoria, 4, #908 of 1899 🔗

Unfortunately none of this gets into the mainstream which is where the majority of the unwashed get their info, so they ain’t gonna know that masks are a symbol of social control and don’t have any effect on virus spread. Until someone takes their MSM drug away from them they’ll believe anything they’re told. People laugh at me when I say RT is nearer the truth than the BBC and point out it is wholly funded by the Russian government. When I point out that our propaganda machine is wholly funded by the idiots who consume it they don’t get it. We pay for the propaganda they disseminate to us, at least the Russian people aren’t that stupid.

306555 ▶▶ awildgoose, replying to Victoria, 3, #909 of 1899 🔗

People fall for the asymptomatic myth because they are ignorant how virii actually spread.

This is because a Western science education is trash.

306573 ▶▶▶ DavidC, replying to awildgoose, 1, #910 of 1899 🔗

I think you mean viruses. My degree was in Microbiology and I’ve never heard the term virii. Virions is the plural of an indvividual virus virion.


306869 ▶▶▶ Dodderydude, replying to awildgoose, 1, #911 of 1899 🔗

I’ve noticed in the last few days that the BBC mouthpieces are quite happy to declare confidently at every opportunity that “we know now that the virus can be spread by people without symptoms as much as by those with symptoms”. How are they allowed to get away with this? It is a categorical lie.

306700 ▶▶ Mrs issedoff, replying to Victoria, 4, #913 of 1899 🔗

I have a major problem to contend with and I don’t think there is a cure. I not only hate and despise the government, but I hate and despise a great many idiots out there who believe all this crap. At one stage much earlier on in this scam, I felt a bit sorry for the people still caught up in the lies, not any more. These zealots are helping to keep this going and mask wearing is one of our biggest hurdles, they show how compliant and gullible so many people are.

306522 Victoria, replying to Victoria, 2, #914 of 1899 🔗

For all the people waiting for joint replacements on the NHS….

Study: Cortisone injections for hip and knee pain can speed up joint disintegration, which results in patients needing joint replacements

306558 ▶▶ alw, replying to Victoria, -1, #915 of 1899 🔗

Cortisone also compromises your immune system

306565 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to Victoria, 1, #916 of 1899 🔗

Natural News is not exactly a great source. Sure, they provide an alternative to things but over the years they have made some outrageous claims and promote their products at every turn.

306599 ▶▶▶ Bugle, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 1, #917 of 1899 🔗

Sometimes it’s all there is.

306821 ▶▶▶ Victoria, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 1, #918 of 1899 🔗

This is a classic trap – MSM / SM / so-called fact checkers want you to believe that it is ‘bad’ for such health websites to sell products and services. i.e. have an income.

How can anyone afford to run such a website and provide free information with NO INCOME stream?

Even this site, lockdownsceptics depend on donations and advertisements to exist and survive.

promote their products at every turn.

Not true. You actually have to click on the Store or the Ads

306584 ▶▶ Crystal Decanter, replying to Victoria, #919 of 1899 🔗

Natural News is dogshit tier

306791 ▶▶▶ Victoria, replying to Crystal Decanter, 2, #920 of 1899 🔗

I really thought that everyone contributing on this site would have an open mind to MSM / Social Media smear tactics / so-called fact checkers ……

Interesting that you are indoctrinated listened to the ‘forces’ that smear NN and denounce it in the same way as MSM would do with lockdown sceptics.

Maybe if you read the article you would see the following:

Researchers from the Boston University School of Medicine (BUSM) have found that a commonly used painkiller for hip and knee pain called cortisone injections may be more dangerous than previously thought .

NN might not be everyones cup of tea but do provide a great base from where you could start your investigation:

Effect of Intra-articular Triamcinolone vs Saline on Knee Cartilage Volume and Pain in Patients With Knee Osteoarthritis: A Randomized Clinical Trial

Steroid Injections may Increase Cartilage Breakdown

306537 awildgoose, replying to awildgoose, 12, #921 of 1899 🔗

California judge rules that San Diego restaurants may open following safety guidelines, stating Gov. Newsom and the state repeatedly failed to present science justifying the closures:


306556 ▶▶ alw, replying to awildgoose, 5, #922 of 1899 🔗

We must stand shoulder to shoulder with all the U.K. hospitality venues and encourage them to open up irrespective of government regulations. Walking in Regents Park today, the cafés where you have seating closed but the takeaway only booths open. Guess what people are doing, buying the coffees and going to sit nearby benches with friends. Makes a complete nonsense of closing the hospitality sector which we know has little impact on the spread of the virus.

306566 ▶▶ Jonny S., replying to awildgoose, 1, #923 of 1899 🔗

That is very interesting.

307645 ▶▶ richard riewer, replying to awildgoose, #924 of 1899 🔗


306547 Coronamoana, replying to Coronamoana, 10, #925 of 1899 🔗

This isn’t going to end. We will go into 2021 with the same situation of being given a little and punished for having taken it. I won’t be here this time next year. How long I will last, I don’t know – and I no longer care.

306559 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to Coronamoana, 13, #926 of 1899 🔗

The government are introducing a new testing regime along the lines of the recent WHO guidelines. Cases will fall. It’s absolutely guaranteed.

Still doesn’t get them to own up on the fraud having locked so many people down and destroyed the NHS services through isolation measures for staff and other such consequences.

Their time will surely come however.

306550 Victoria, replying to Victoria, 15, #927 of 1899 🔗

Bill Gates denies ever talking about digital vaccine passports, but there’s video proof he did
Back in the summer, billionaire eugenicist Bill Gates admitted during a virtual TED Talk that his plan is to require all humans to obtain digital vaccine passports before being allowed to travel again post-COVID. Since that time, however, Gates and his allies have attempted, but failed , to memory hole all evidence of this statement.

If you try to search online for footage of Gates’ June 2020 TED Talk, the only thing that now pops up are edited versions of it that remove the portion where Gates admits to wanting to track and trace humanity with plandemic microchips and quantum dot tattoos.

“So eventually there will be sort of this digital immunity proof that you know will help facilitate the global reopening up, um,” Gates stated in the original footage, which as far as we can tell has been scrubbed everywhere except for Robert F. Kennedy Jr.’s Instagram page .


306792 ▶▶ Basics, replying to Victoria, 2, #928 of 1899 🔗

It good work that you do here. Keeping these memory holing attempts alive in the conscious of as many as possible is important. As others say Never forget. Never forgive. Doesn’t it show the slime character of the creature, his staff and all associated they try to scrub history rather than come clean.

307647 ▶▶ richard riewer, replying to Victoria, #929 of 1899 🔗

The wonders of editing.

306554 Dan Clarke, replying to Dan Clarke, 1, #930 of 1899 🔗

As Covid was declared a notifiable disease in March, do the doctors get payment for notifying?

306602 ▶▶ Norman, replying to Dan Clarke, #931 of 1899 🔗

That was cancelled surely when they realised that it was nothing like SARS-1, MERS, Ebola, rabies or polio.

306693 ▶▶▶ Jonathan Palmer, replying to Norman, 1, #933 of 1899 🔗

It was taken off the highly infectious disease list on March 19.It is still a notifiable disease which it is why it is on so many death certificates.

306557 Sarigan, replying to Sarigan, 9, #934 of 1899 🔗
306637 ▶▶ Lockdown_Lunacy, replying to Sarigan, #935 of 1899 🔗

Phew same here. Looks like they’ll be trying to get us both come June.

306687 ▶▶▶ davews, replying to Lockdown_Lunacy, 1, #936 of 1899 🔗

And we know they are doing nothing like 1 million injections pre week.

306820 ▶▶ Nobody2020, replying to Sarigan, #937 of 1899 🔗

Hopefully you won’t be subjected to hold music or “we’re currently experiencing high volumes” on a continuous loop while you’re waiting.

306561 Victoria, replying to Victoria, 14, #938 of 1899 🔗

Nearly 75% of New Jersey residents refuse to cooperate with COVID-19 contract tracers

306564 ▶▶ awildgoose, replying to Victoria, #939 of 1899 🔗

Good, but still too low!

306593 ▶▶ Steve Martindale, replying to Victoria, 6, #940 of 1899 🔗

This is good but puzzling, if so many are avoiding the test and trace system contact calls, to my mind it begs the question as to why are so many people getting tested in the first place? I know quite a few people have to get tested for work and to get medical treatments but that must still leave a huge number of people getting voluntarily tested, what do they think is the point of this testing?
The more people who get tested the quicker you get into tier 3, whoopee wasn’t that a clever thing to do? ‘You don’t need a weatherman to know which way the wind blows’ you do not need a test unless you are so ill you need to go into hospital and then you will get tested anyway.
How do we convince people to stop getting tested? it is not compulsory and it will mostly backfire on you and your community.

306567 dorset dumpling, 27, #941 of 1899 🔗

I went for a very pleasant walk this morning through the parkland of a local estate. A lot of other folk had the same idea, I must have passed a couple of dozen in the hour or so I was out, not one mask to be seen, no swerving to avoid me, polite conversations with complete strangers with absolutely no mention whatsoever of anything connected to the virus. Smiles all round and a happy dorset dumpling!

306569 Rosie, replying to Rosie, 21, #942 of 1899 🔗

Reiner Füllmich has issued Drosten with a cease & desist order and demanded an initial payment to his client of 50,000 € by 22.12.2020. The document is 18 pages long and extremely well argued. It accuses Drosten of deliberately spreading harmful falsehoods among politicians and the general public. Drosten is called upon to publicly retract his key assertions.

Letter dated today, I believe. Has there been any reporting discussion so far? Sorry if I missed it.

306601 ▶▶ Silke David, replying to Rosie, 3, #943 of 1899 🔗

It has been mentioned.
No mention of this in German MSM so far. Doubt they will.

306609 ▶▶ DavidC, replying to Rosie, 1, #944 of 1899 🔗

Do you have any links to the documents Rosie?


306647 ▶▶▶ Rosie, replying to DavidC, 5, #945 of 1899 🔗

I’ve been sent an English machine translation. Here’s a bit of it, perhaps you can find the original from this much:

Cease and desist papers served on Christian Drosten
by Dr. Reiner Füllmich
Green Mango GmbH, represented by Nils Roth v. Prof Dr. Christian Drosten Dear Professor Drosten,
We hereby indicate that Green Mango GmbH, Bülowstrasse 56, 10783 Berlin, represented by the managing director, Mr. Nils Roth, has commissioned us to represent its interests on the basis of the enclosed power of attorney. Our client has suffered and continues to suffer significant harm as a result of the grossly disproportionate measures imposed to contain the COVID-19 pandemic without an evidence-based foundation.
You are personally responsible for this harm because, as one of the individuals who intervened significantly and decisively in the policy deliberations, you intentionally alleged, and continue to allege, false facts and – also intentionally – concealed, and continue to conceal, material facts. In the name of and on behalf of our client, we claim that you should rectify your erroneous contribution to policy advice in connection with the COVID 19 crisis and compensate our client for the damage already incurred.
{17 pages of argument}
Our client expressly reserves the right to assert claims that exceed this initially demanded amount.
In addition, we request that you correct the following statements to those politically responsible and to the public:
– Clarify that there is no reason to believe that SARS CoV-2 could cause an uncontrollable number of deaths and ICU patients! – Clarify that the case study in the New England Journal of Medicine of March 5, 2020, in which you were involved and which supposedly proves an asymptomatic infection risk, is based on a false data basis and therefore should have been retracted long ago!
– Clarify that a positive PCR test cannot detect active infection and is therefore not suitable to establish a COVID-19 diagnosis on its own! – Clarify that collective restrictions on freedom do not guarantee ir gendet anything to help contain the spread, but are proven to cause massive collateral damage!
We also call on you to refrain from your previous statements to the contrary in the future. Politicians must no longer be advised with scientifically inadequate information. And the public must no longer be confused with such information.
We therefore request that you also provide us with the following information by
to submit the declaration to cease and desist and the declaration of obligation enclosed with this letter.
Please note that with every day that you maintain your deliberately false risk assessment of COVID-19, you are only making matters worse – for countless people in this country, but also for yourself. For we will make this letter available to all colleagues who are willing to represent clients who have suffered harm as a result of the Corona measures. If you do not comply with our above request, a legal dispute will become unavoidable. In the course of this dispute, the whole truth about the lockdown will become the subject of a judicial hearing of evidence.
Please do not hesitate to contact us if you have any questions.
Yours sincerely
Dr. Reiner Fuellmich, LL.M.
Attorney at Law

306572 Draper233, replying to Draper233, 13, #946 of 1899 🔗

The Swedish strategy has failed! asserts the Guardian. Look, even the King of Sweden himself says so:


So presumably public support of Tegnell has plummeted? Err, no, that’s still at a solid 59%!

Confidence in the authorities in general, however, is down to a record low of 34%.

Which means that the only headline here should be that a clear majority still trust Tegnell and his strategy, but have turned against the weak, corrupt politicians and public health zealots trying to undermine it at every chance.

As for the King’s comments, let’s wait to see what the full context was, as the Guardian has a habit of misrepresenting facts to suit its own political bias.

306579 ▶▶ Julian, replying to Draper233, 11, #947 of 1899 🔗

Every single report I have ever read about Sweden from the MSM has been distortion

They hate Sweden because it exposes the lies

306613 ▶▶ RickH, replying to Draper233, 2, #948 of 1899 🔗

Utter bollocks – as usual, and as a quick glance at Euromomo shows.

306615 ▶▶ Niborxof, replying to Draper233, 3, #949 of 1899 🔗

Just to add to you analysis, I did not read the King suggesting ‘The Strategy’ had failed at all-at least from the telegraph. It was about failing those dying, not being able to be with their loved ones and the care home issue (admitted early by Tegnell et al). Both issues strategy independent. To the extent the strategy has failed it is not in the direction of the headline. Have I misunderstood? Nibor Thesupersceptic

306648 ▶▶▶ Draper233, replying to Niborxof, 6, #950 of 1899 🔗

No, you’ve not misunderstood and I can see it isn’t just the Guardian misrepresenting the facts.

If you Google the story, the first couple of pages have various MSM platforms trying to portray the King as saying the strategy itself “failed”.

But around page 3 of listings we finally get to a piece from a Danish platform that puts it into context:

“Sweden’s King Carl XVI Gustaf says he believes his country has failed to protect the elderly in care homes from the effects of the pandemic.

“I think we have failed. We have a large number who have died and that is terrible. It is something we all suffer with,” the monarch said.”


So, in other words, the King just echoed something Tegnell himself said months ago.

The UK MSM is full of lowlife reprobates pretending to be journalists.

306629 ▶▶ Jonny S., replying to Draper233, 2, #951 of 1899 🔗

You don’t have to speak Swedish to see that as cases rise, hospitalisations and deaths are falling.

Hmmn, where do I also see that?


306630 ▶▶ Nobody2020, replying to Draper233, 1, #952 of 1899 🔗

It’s hard to determine whether he was referencing the swedish strategy or just that people have died as being the failure.

From what I’ve seen from the Guardian this year I would gues it is more likely to be the latter. It’s quite possible for Sweden to have followed a completely different strategy and ended up with the same or similar result and the Kings failure comment could still apply.

306766 ▶▶ arfurmo, replying to Draper233, 1, #953 of 1899 🔗
306833 ▶▶ Victoria, replying to Draper233, #954 of 1899 🔗

So now they are wheeling out the King to make these statements

306575 Margaret, replying to Margaret, 17, #955 of 1899 🔗

Some of you will remember that well over a month ago, we requested a ‘phone call from our MP. Following the call, he asked us to put all our points in writing: PCR tests, dodgy data, masks etc and he would forward them to Messrs Johnson, Hancock and Gove.
Yesterday, I asked him if he had received a response from any of them. Today, he told me that he hadn’t received any reply. Why does that not surprise me?

306581 ▶▶ Rosie, replying to Margaret, 7, #956 of 1899 🔗

May we have a copy of the points you wrote, please? I’ve been looking for a basic summary of our case.

306576 swedenborg, 7, #957 of 1899 🔗

In Politics and vaccination Pandemic flus and vaccination policies in Sweden
This is an interesting article discussing the Pandremix vaccination campaign in Sweden and has relevance for the C-19 vaccination campaign. It is a long but readable article so giving some longer quotes.

“Since the pandemic 2009-10 – caused by the Influenza A(H1N1) virus – production increased and mass vaccination campaigns were launched in many countries. Sweden was the most successful, with over sixty per cent coverage in what became the largest public health intervention in Swedish history.”

“Facing the A(H1N1) pandemic, Swedish mass vaccination efforts were preceded by consensual decision-making relying on historically successful vaccination campaigns. Paradoxically, both the efficiency of the response as well as the approach to consensual decision-making may have harmed instead of strengthened public trust.”
“the Spanish flu pandemic of 1918–19 was particularly virulent and in Sweden, the death toll was around 35,000 people, 99 per cent of whom were below the age of 65.” Compare C-19!
“We have made everything commercial now, but I do think there would have been some advantages to have it state controlled . But still, on the other hand you never know … the vaccine experts will not be isolated in an ivory tower, they will have contacts with the vaccine industry, so the only thing you can do in this globalized world is to describe as well as you can, exactly what the connections look like”
“We had a well worked out plan with the county councils and the like and that was why we were so successful. The whole of Europe was wondering, ‘How did you manage?’ So what would have turned out to be a success story became an Achilles heel when it was shown that the vaccine had such serious side-effects.”

“I trusted them. One shot, and then my whole life changed”

“When the reports about narcolepsy cases began to arrive, the first reaction from authorities and medical experts was scepticism. It was hard to believe that the vaccine could cause this unknown disorder, since influenza vaccines had been used for eighty years without similar side effects”
“This is felt in the expressions of parents of narcoleptic children, such as: ‘We placed our children on the sacrificial altar so that you all could remain healthy’, or on the other side from parents of vaccinated children who were not affected, such as: ‘We had the winning lottery ticket.’ “
“One of the interviewed officials did claim the opposite concerning solidarity, arguing that for these kinds of decisions it should never be demanded of people to have to think of others: every human being is entitled to think about him- or herself”
“that expert knowledge is ‘still speculative and incomplete’, and that the persistence of a dominant and reductive framing of the problem constitutes the most important challenge when responding effectively to flu pandemics. The WHO, Forster argues, should be better at addressing these matters, but as it is bound to ‘a reductive epistemology, and at the centre of an unreflexive, self-sustaining actor network’, it cannot meet this challenge.”
“It was shown that the EU countries handled it very differently. So if you coughed on the plane from Beijing to Frankfurt, they would take you off the plane in Frankfurt to X-ray your lungs. If you coughed on the plane from Beijing to London, you simply got off the plane and took the subway to London city. And these are matters that the EU hates, when countries handle things differently. And journalists love it of course”
“Paradoxically, both this very efficiency and consensual decision-making may have harmed instead of strengthened trust in the authorities’ ability to face future pandemics”
 “the media failed in its responsibility to undertake a critical analysis of the rationale for mass vaccination and also for the advance purchase agreement. The few critical voices were drowned out in mass consensus among authorities, experts, and journalists.”

306595 thinkaboutit, replying to thinkaboutit, 12, #958 of 1899 🔗

So the whole of Surrey except Waverley has been put into Tier 3.

Which government bigwig lives in Waverley?

306672 ▶▶ PatrickF, replying to thinkaboutit, 5, #959 of 1899 🔗

Waverelians have greater social responsibility than the rest of the UK. Covid recognises this.

306674 ▶▶ Darryl, replying to thinkaboutit, 4, #960 of 1899 🔗

Surrey is a very obedient fearful place, yet all their efforts got them nowhere. They often have a snobbish view of the people in poorer areas of the country not behaving themselves so not sure who they are going to blame.

306831 ▶▶▶ thinkaboutit, replying to Darryl, 1, #961 of 1899 🔗

The people in Croydon and Kent.

306596 rose, replying to rose, 4, #962 of 1899 🔗

Anyone going on the candlelight walk in Nottingham this afternoon?

306598 ▶▶ calchas, replying to rose, 3, #963 of 1899 🔗

No, but if I were there, then I would be,

306846 ▶▶ Mr Dee, replying to rose, #964 of 1899 🔗

If I still lived there, I definitely would be.

306597 Thomas_E, replying to Thomas_E, 33, #965 of 1899 🔗

Just came back from my normal lunch time walk around Borough market. Quite busy with people buying supplies for the holidays, some pubs doing takeaway beer , food stall ect. About 50% masked , again whole families with little children masked but one thing is have newly observed in the last couple of days ins people wearing double masks. Like a surgical mask first and then a colorful cloth on e over…I mean a lot!! People are fucking retarted, I have lost all faith in humanity.

306616 ▶▶ Tom Blackburn, replying to Thomas_E, 17, #966 of 1899 🔗

I am convinced we need to help things along by pushing for even more bizarre measures. Dog masks and a cork up your arse in case of farts.

306618 ▶▶▶ calchas, replying to Tom Blackburn, 4, #967 of 1899 🔗

Reverse Psychology.

Sceptics shoild form voluntary Social Distancing Enforcement Patrols,

Drive people crazy.

In the same manner as work-to-rule, taking the covid rules seriously would bring society and economy to a grinding halt.

306691 ▶▶▶▶ Andrew K, replying to calchas, 10, #968 of 1899 🔗

You know what drives people really crazy, pretending you’ve just met somebody for the first time in ages, hugs and kisses whilst loudly saying “havn’t seen you in ages, how are you” You should the the horror on peoples faces. Me and the wife have done that a few times.

306624 ▶▶▶ Crystal Decanter, replying to Tom Blackburn, 3, #969 of 1899 🔗

Farts spread the bat cold new rumour
Lets see if we can get the collaborators to cork up

306656 ▶▶▶▶ Cecil B, replying to Crystal Decanter, 2, #970 of 1899 🔗

Everyone one must carry a chair with them (even indoors)

306667 ▶▶▶▶▶ PatrickF, replying to Cecil B, 7, #971 of 1899 🔗

Standing on one leg for ten minutes a day reduces your chances of catching Covid-19 by 50%, according to Piers Morgan and fact checked by the BBC.

306829 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ thinkaboutit, replying to PatrickF, 1, #972 of 1899 🔗

And hopping up and down on one leg before entering a shop shakes off Covid. Fact.

306665 ▶▶▶▶ PatrickF, replying to Crystal Decanter, 4, #973 of 1899 🔗

The virus is transmitted from your orifices, according to Dr Hilary Jones and fact checked by the BBC.

306675 ▶▶▶▶▶ Crystal Decanter, replying to PatrickF, 3, #974 of 1899 🔗

Queefs cause Covid

306750 ▶▶ Victoria, replying to Thomas_E, 3, #975 of 1899 🔗

people wearing double masks

That’s great. Dementia in 6 years time and not in 10 years time

306912 ▶▶▶ Voz 0db, replying to Victoria, 1, #976 of 1899 🔗

With luck death in even a shorter period of time…

306600 Zak Thelotofem, replying to Zak Thelotofem, 18, #977 of 1899 🔗

US statistician explaining that deaths increase in the Winter and peak in January.

‘If we focus only on COVID deaths, we lose all perspective. We can see above that deaths peak every January, because of our self-enforced wintertime lockdowns, when we all hunker down inside and spread bugs among ourselves. You may recall that this is also the “solution” many governments hit up to stop the spread of bugs’.

So, lockdowns really work – if you want to spread a virus!

306607 ▶▶ DavidC, replying to Zak Thelotofem, 5, #978 of 1899 🔗

Spot on!


306610 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to Zak Thelotofem, 2, #979 of 1899 🔗

But they know this. Open all windows and bring the outside inside, but wear a mask.

306603 Nobody2020, 14, #980 of 1899 🔗

It’s all guidance, nothing is or will be mandatory, absolutely no coercion.

But if you don’t follow the guidance then we’ll increase the guidance and with stricter measures imposed.

You’ll still be free to follow the guidance, nothing is or will be mandatory, absolutely no coercion.


306604 DavidC, replying to DavidC, 11, #981 of 1899 🔗

Anecdote – I went out with a friend for a curry on Tuesday evening (haven’t had one for ages this year!). The sanitizer and temperature charade on entering. I didn’t sanitize. I asked what my temperature was. 32C! What possible use is a digital thermometer when walking around outside without a head covering can give such a stupid reading?! Presumably if I had a fever of 42C (!) it would have read the normal 37C!


306775 ▶▶ IanE, replying to DavidC, 3, #982 of 1899 🔗

Heavens, you must be dead!

306840 ▶▶ muzzle, replying to DavidC, 2, #983 of 1899 🔗

I did some sporting events over the summer and they used one of those at the entrance. My son recorded a 39 on arrival as he’d been wearing a hat in the car with the heater on. Fortunately it started dropping while they were taking it. Another chap who had been walking out in the cold before the reading was in the high 20s. What a load of pathetic nonsense it is.

306888 ▶▶▶ Victoria, replying to muzzle, #984 of 1899 🔗

a reading in the 20s means urgent hospitalisation or a call to the ‘meat wagon’

307195 ▶▶▶ Jez Hewitt, replying to muzzle, #985 of 1899 🔗

The wife and I took our twin boys to Pulgia in the summer for a bit of sun during the lull. Upon arrival we needed to collect a car rental but as they had turned the airport into a one-way, we had to exit then re-enter, naturally getting temperature pinged on the way back in.

Fast forward to the night before we we’re due to fly back, one of our boys started cooking (he’s 5 and, as they do, catches a bug every fuckin month) – nothing for us to wet the bed over, but it soon crosses my mind that if he fails the ping test at the airport, we’ll have to isolate for a fortnight, lose our flights and completely fuck up being able to re-open our business.

Next morning, his temperature was where we needed to be (sky high) but after checking the Calpol paperwork, gave him a double dose (5ml is the norm but 10ml is the max), hit the airport and breezed through.

Mid flight, the gas turned back up but it was too soon for another dose. He was fine, just hot as hell.

Thankfully Stansted wasn’t (and still isn’t) checking so saved a small fortune.

Small mercies, not long after, Italy mandated outside oxygen deprivers. Just as well or we wouldn’t have gone. The boys had a ball, the food and weather were perfect, and these contemporary fascist fucks should be lined up, skinned and pissed on by all and sundry. At least Mussolini had the bollocks and nerve to take pride in what he was doing.

306614 Kev, replying to Kev, 12, #986 of 1899 🔗

Starmer says Tiers not strong enough, we are not being tyrannical enough. We need to be less free than NK

306619 ▶▶ Tom Blackburn, replying to Kev, #987 of 1899 🔗

I won’t give Pfeffel credit for much but he has totally out maneuvered Starmer at every turn.

306774 ▶▶▶ IanE, replying to Tom Blackburn, #988 of 1899 🔗

Hmm, a generous, if very lowly, assessment.

306859 ▶▶▶ Crystal Decanter, replying to Tom Blackburn, 1, #989 of 1899 🔗

Alex Pfeffel can go suck a bag of nut nuts

306756 ▶▶ Victoria, replying to Kev, 4, #990 of 1899 🔗

Never vote labour or conservatives again

306918 ▶▶ Jo Dominich -, replying to Kev, #991 of 1899 🔗

Well, you can see his Dictator credentials by what he is currently doing to the Labour Party. What does he want, a totally bankrupt country, mass poverty, mass unemployment and mass repossessions? The man is worse than the Pig Dictator and that’s saying something.

307093 ▶▶ dommo, replying to Kev, 3, #992 of 1899 🔗

he’s a right cunt isn’t he?

307648 ▶▶ richard riewer, replying to Kev, #993 of 1899 🔗

Abduct him and ship him in a container to North Korea.

306636 Cecil B, replying to Cecil B, 3, #994 of 1899 🔗

Another cock up by the police. It turns out the ‘kidnap’ was carried out by an undercover TSG unit and they had kidnapped someone of the wrong gender (they kidnapped a male by mistake)


306970 ▶▶ John P, replying to Cecil B, #995 of 1899 🔗

sex not gender

306638 Marialta, replying to Marialta, 26, #996 of 1899 🔗

I went out into dystopia in a good mood and came home dejected. On entrance to the Hobbycraft store a masked gatekeeper pointed me to the sanitiser stand and challenged me for not wearing a mask. At the tills assistants are wearing masks behind a Perspex screen and each customer stands in a separate Perspex cubicle to pay. FFS

There is absolutely no joy in shopping or browsing anymore. Smiling at or chatting to other customers is impossible as they move away. It’s all so much easier to get stuff on line. But I don’t want to do that I want to go out and about. Every day running the gauntlet, I’m angrier than ever.

306641 ▶▶ Rosie, replying to Marialta, 4, #997 of 1899 🔗

Me too.

306743 ▶▶ Victoria, replying to Marialta, 3, #998 of 1899 🔗

Vote with your feet. Go out and about to other places

306969 ▶▶ John P, replying to Marialta, 1, #999 of 1899 🔗

They can’t make you wear a mask. I’ve never been challenged over not wearing one.

306639 Peter, replying to Peter, 19, #1000 of 1899 🔗

Furlough extended to the end of April.
Lockdown extended to the end of April.

This is NEVER going to end.

306653 ▶▶ Darryl, replying to Peter, 9, #1001 of 1899 🔗

It’s not meant to, they told us from March – ‘New Normal’. They wouldn’t use a permanent language if it was going to be a temporary state.

306669 ▶▶ Dan Clarke, replying to Peter, 3, #1002 of 1899 🔗

What will they call furlough eventually, could it possibly be social payment

306678 ▶▶▶ Darryl, replying to Dan Clarke, 3, #1003 of 1899 🔗

When the chosen solutions are all in place it suggests it is just a case of writing the story and controlling the narrative to get to the desired destination. Complete scam.

306732 ▶▶ Bugle, replying to Peter, 3, #1004 of 1899 🔗

Don’t our fool MPs have to vote on this? Mind you, it will make no difference.

306640 godowneasy, replying to godowneasy, 3, #1005 of 1899 🔗

Following it’s peak value on V-Day, 8th Dec, Pfizer’s share price continues to slide. I really don’t want anyone to be damaged by their “product” but maybe something is going on which could put a halt to this?

306663 ▶▶ Cecil B, replying to godowneasy, 3, #1006 of 1899 🔗

Follow the money, they know the ‘vaccine’ is crap

306726 ▶▶▶ Will, replying to Cecil B, 5, #1007 of 1899 🔗

It doesn’t have to actually work, at least not in the UK, just not kill people.

306767 ▶▶▶▶ IanE, replying to Will, 2, #1008 of 1899 🔗

Yes – and, come the second, booster doses, that may be a bar they cannot clear. It is, given terrible earlier trials with mRNA vaccines, surely VERY likely that it will kill some!

306702 ▶▶ Major Panic, replying to godowneasy, 5, #1009 of 1899 🔗

its coming off highs at price where there were was big sell offs in mid 2019 – profit taking

a death of one of those ‘lucky’ peeps in the mass vaxx program could cause massive sell off – makes sense take profits while news is ”good”

306642 Zak Thelotofem, replying to Zak Thelotofem, 3, #1010 of 1899 🔗

Keep calm and carry on! ‘A 107-year-old Minnesota woman beats Covid-19’

Tillie Dybing is a survivor.

At the age of 107, the Minnesota woman recently beat Covid-19 after being diagnosed this fall, according to officials at the Ecumen Detroit Lakes community home, where she has lived since 2015.
This isn’t the first pandemic Dybing has lived through. Born in 1913, she was almost 5 years old when the 1918 flu pandemic hit her family farm in North Dakota.

The only Covid-19 symptoms Dybing says she had was fatigue.”Nothing in her lungs. They said she doesn’t have a fever. She just slept all the time,” Tillie’s daughter Susan Berke told KARE.
Dybing recently returned to her apartment at the facility after spending a few weeks away from the general population, Ecumen officials tell CNN. They added that they are happy she has recovered and thanked her family for trusting them with her care.

306741 ▶▶ Lisa (formerly) from Toronto, replying to Zak Thelotofem, 1, #1011 of 1899 🔗

I’ve heard a few stories of people surviving Covid who were alive during the Spanish Flu epidemic. The theory is that they may have some kind of immunity by virtue of their exposure to the Spanish Flu. There were a few cases at my late grandmother’s care home but she, at almost 101, didn’t get it. She died of pneumonia due to lockdown, but not of Covid.

306763 ▶▶▶ Crystal Decanter, replying to Lisa (formerly) from Toronto, #1012 of 1899 🔗

Unless the Paella Flu was a Corona I doubt it

306827 ▶▶▶▶ Lisa (formerly) from Toronto, replying to Crystal Decanter, #1013 of 1899 🔗

I think you’re right. It’s the H1N1 “swine flu” from 2009 they have immunity against by virtue of living through the Spanish Flu. There are, however, a fair few people over 100 years old who have made it through Covid quite easily. Maybe they have stronger constitutions after not eating a lifetime’s worth of crap food.

306644 JamesDrebin, replying to JamesDrebin, 1, #1014 of 1899 🔗

Thursday Caption Comp (17th December)

“It’s terribly important to sing “Happy Birthday” to yourself when washing your hands… especially after you’ve just flushed the entire heritage – and indeed future – of the United Kingdom down the toilet.”

~ Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Kemal-Johnson

(Prime Minister of the Former United Kingdom)

Your quips on the forum thread will be most appreciated:


306727 ▶▶ Bugle, replying to JamesDrebin, 9, #1015 of 1899 🔗

“All the perfumes of Arabia will not sweeten this little hand.”

307155 ▶▶ dhid, replying to JamesDrebin, #1016 of 1899 🔗

Did no one tell him about toilet paper…..

306645 Sarigan, 1, #1017 of 1899 🔗

Deleted, posted below about furlough

306649 Nobody2020, replying to Nobody2020, #1018 of 1899 🔗

Couldn’t open the link to the study in this Tweet, but the image made me laugh. I realise some people will think there is something to be learned here but all I can think about is when they will be suggesting we all walk around with wings and diffusers like those found in racing cars.


306660 ▶▶ PatrickF, replying to Nobody2020, 2, #1019 of 1899 🔗

I thought the virus was green, not red.

306714 ▶▶▶ Leemc23, replying to PatrickF, 3, #1020 of 1899 🔗

It’s rainbow coloured to be more inclusive for 2020.

306855 ▶▶▶ Two-Six, replying to PatrickF, #1021 of 1899 🔗

The red one is the new strain.

306736 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to Nobody2020, 1, #1022 of 1899 🔗

Ah man. That’s just made me angry. What is wrong with people

306765 ▶▶ Jonny S., replying to Nobody2020, 2, #1023 of 1899 🔗

I tend to walk with one leg in front of the other, or else I tend not to get anywhere. This is more like a visual representation of how ill equiped scientific modellling is to accurately descibe the real world

307047 ▶▶ Jez Hewitt, replying to Nobody2020, #1024 of 1899 🔗

For the love of all that’s holy.

306650 Darryl, replying to Darryl, 17, #1025 of 1899 🔗

It was interesting that Margaret Keenan, the 90 year old lady who was the lucky first recipient of the vaccine which made Matt Hancock and Piers Morgan all emotional, appeared to have a son and daughter in their 20s collect her.

The media is saying it is her son and daughter, but I would expect her her children to be 60-70 years old? I really hope my tears weren’t wasted on a staged media event.

306681 ▶▶ Kate, replying to Darryl, 6, #1026 of 1899 🔗

Keen Nan

306807 ▶▶▶ Darryl, replying to Kate, 2, #1027 of 1899 🔗

It appears so, some reports apparently said she was 102! which must make her the first 70 plus lady to give birth. Can’t question the official narrative.

306808 ▶▶▶ TheBluePill, replying to Kate, #1028 of 1899 🔗

Shiiit, that’s just the kind of thing they would do, hidden in plain sight.

306705 ▶▶ calchas, replying to Darryl, 3, #1029 of 1899 🔗

She certainly didn’t look 90.

306804 ▶▶▶ Darryl, replying to calchas, 2, #1030 of 1899 🔗

Her true age, identity and background certainly seem a mystery. I wonder if she make another appearance in the future in some other event.

306964 ▶▶ John P, replying to Darryl, -1, #1031 of 1899 🔗

Probably grandchildren.

306991 ▶▶▶ Darryl, replying to John P, #1032 of 1899 🔗

When you watch the clip there is a voice saying “You’re fine mum, you’re famous” and we only see a male and female who look in their 20s/30s. Off course they are all wearing masks so we can’t see anyones lips moving!

If they are playing by official rules, I believe only one person should collect her, if there are other family members out of shot, that would really take the piss. Perhaps rules don’t apply for propaganda.

306651 JHuntz, replying to JHuntz, 12, #1033 of 1899 🔗

Pubs in London are literally throwing +£10K worth of food and drink down the drain due to the government pulling the rug at the least minute. Why not just open and try and punt the booze and food that will pay for the inevitable fines. If all pubs/ resteraunts in London opened with mass propoganda (i’m sure Tim would allow them to use weatherspoons mags) exposing the scam and why they reject tier 3 the government would have to back down.

306692 ▶▶ kenadams, replying to JHuntz, 21, #1034 of 1899 🔗

Although I appreciate his efforts so far, I think the Wetherspoon owner should now properly up the ante and simply open all Weatherspoons pubs with no social distancing or masks whatsoever. And tell the government to see him in court.

306711 ▶▶▶ Leemc23, replying to kenadams, 3, #1035 of 1899 🔗

I echo that. That’s the biggest problem. Applying the “Guidance” as rules gets no one anywhere

306728 ▶▶▶ Mabel Cow, replying to kenadams, 6, #1036 of 1899 🔗

…with lots of propaganda posters in the style of the old Guinness adverts.

“Drink a pint for freedom!”

306729 ▶▶▶ Paul, replying to kenadams, 5, #1037 of 1899 🔗

That’s what I think too,he can afford it and it needs a big company to make a stand,we are way past the talking stage now.

306759 ▶▶▶ alw, replying to kenadams, 7, #1038 of 1899 🔗

All hospitality should open up. The Courts will be clogged up.

306762 ▶▶▶▶ IanE, replying to alw, 6, #1039 of 1899 🔗

Yes – the only way to go, total rebellion!

306761 ▶▶▶ IanE, replying to kenadams, 1, #1040 of 1899 🔗

If only we had a decent judiciary, though!

306764 ▶▶▶ kh1485, replying to kenadams, 3, #1041 of 1899 🔗

So agree. I’ve been saying for ages that it needs someone with some clout to stand up to this. Us independents can only do so much and we are pretty much the lone voice of scepticism in our town (business-wise that is).

306745 ▶▶ awildgoose, replying to JHuntz, #1042 of 1899 🔗

The rug pull is completely intentional.

Can’t have a middle class in a Communist country.

307186 ▶▶ Ben, replying to JHuntz, #1043 of 1899 🔗

The Government’s doing it deliberately to destroy the economy, perhaps for the Great Reset?

306655 PatrickF, 3, #1044 of 1899 🔗

What’s happened to the Mutant Ninja Turtle virus?

306657 nickbowes, replying to nickbowes, 8, #1045 of 1899 🔗

I wonder if, in event of being allowed another election, the Tories will bring postal voting only (Covid secure..) i`m sure Dominion systems have already the contracts in place.

306664 ▶▶ Crystal Decanter, replying to nickbowes, 6, #1046 of 1899 🔗

They already did during the Welsh devo referendum they “found” ballots last minute that tipped the vote to a wafer thin Yes
The Brexit vote must have been huge to overcome the usual 5% fraud

306800 ▶▶ stevie, replying to nickbowes, #1047 of 1899 🔗

Various local Elections due in May (including ones delayed from 2020) could be used as a trial for all postal voting.

306826 ▶▶▶ kenadams, replying to stevie, 1, #1048 of 1899 🔗

The Conservatives would have to be insane to allow this – postal voting fraud always benefits Labour.

306907 ▶▶▶▶ Jo Dominich -, replying to kenadams, 1, #1049 of 1899 🔗

Wrong Kenadams, in the most recent GE I am in no doubt they were rigged to axe Labour votes and there is evidence to support this thought.

306659 godowneasy, replying to godowneasy, 25, #1050 of 1899 🔗

Herefordshire official ‘disappointed’ by move to tier 1
Herefordshire’s acting director of public health Rebecca Howell-Jones has raised concerns about the county’s move from tier two to tier one.
It is the only part of the country to move into the lowest tier – Cornwall, the Isle of Wight, and the Isles of Scilly are already there.
Asked if she was pleased by the move, Ms Howell-Jones told BBC Radio 4’s World at One programme: “From a public health perspective, I would have to say no, we are disappointed by this news.
“Our rates in Herefordshire have come down from the peak but we are still around 50 [positive cases] per 100,000 [people] and we are beginning to see that decrease has plateaued over the last couple of days.”

It just seems that these “officials” never want this to go away.

306683 ▶▶ Sarigan, replying to godowneasy, 9, #1051 of 1899 🔗

Herefordshire’s acting director of public health Rebecca Howell-Jones has raised concerns about the county’s move from tier two to tier one.

Says it all

306697 ▶▶ Leemc23, replying to godowneasy, 20, #1052 of 1899 🔗

Which means. “I am so scared that I am happy for other people to lose their jobs, homes, sanity and hope”

I bet she has not lost one penny in income.

306864 ▶▶▶ kf99, replying to Leemc23, 3, #1053 of 1899 🔗

BBC Local Radio host this morning had a similar attitude, almost begging for Tier 3. I guess to them, it’s like heavy snowfall – a rare chance to get some listeners.

306662 Dan Clarke, 3, #1054 of 1899 🔗

https://www.gov.uk/government/news/coronavirus-covid-19-listed-as-a-notifiable-disease- Covid is a notifiable disease do GP’s get paid per person?

306668 Harry hopkins, replying to Harry hopkins, 21, #1055 of 1899 🔗

Christmas greetings!

It’s always been a pleasure to get cards at this time of the year and to get the news and correspondence from people we may not have seen for ages.

This year has been one of mixed feelings for us as we receive and read the various greetings from friends and acquaintances from near and far. Most cards, I’m pleased to say, are simple and straightforward and manage to avoid too much Covid bullshit but I’m resigned to the fact that the next cards to drop through the letter box will have a variation on the theme ‘We hope you have managed to avoid the virus and are staying safe’.

There are one or two however, that go beyond the ‘oh well, what do you expect from a lifetime of mainstream news and an addiction to newspapers’ that really have made me wonder and it is perhaps because they have come from previously sensible and well balanced people—at least so I thought.

Here’s two direct quotations from cards received that made me realise just how far the indoctrination and brainwashing has penetrated otherwise rational minds.

‘It’ll be good to have a catch up when we get our “freedom back” and we can have lunch at the nursery—-when we have all been vaccinated, hopefully in 2021’

‘Our son in law has been taking part in one of the vaccine trials. Let’s hope that we will all be able to be successfully innoculated and we can begin to return to something approaching normal’

And living on a small estate I’ve had this invitation from a neighbour posted through my door. And I swear that this is genuine and repeated here word for word:

‘It has been suggested that we could all be on our own doorsteps at an agreed time on Christmas eve and make sufficient noise to let everyone know we wish them a merry Christmas’. However, if there is anyone who wishes to do a distanced carol sing, we have copies of song sheets available’

How could anyone, of sound mind and rational thought, not relish the prospect of standing on their doorstep and making ‘sufficient noise’ on Christmas eve?…. Personally, I can’t wait….my only concern is have I got the pots and pans that will make sufficient din as to convey my best wishes to my neighbours?

If you’ve done me the honour of reading this far I’m sure you must have brainwashed messages that you’ve received yourself—–please share, I can’t be alone!

306689 ▶▶ Dan Clarke, replying to Harry hopkins, 8, #1056 of 1899 🔗

Not a message but A zoom office party, christmas napkin on desk with drink and food, switch on

306724 ▶▶ Paul, replying to Harry hopkins, 5, #1057 of 1899 🔗

we can begin to return to something approaching normal ’,that phrase really opens wide the mindset of a lot of people now,it shows they perhaps harbour a deep down wish for this to end but they have no confidence in it ending and they see any normality as a long way off,if they even want normality back,they are defeated and they probably surrendered without a fight.

306794 ▶▶ DRW, replying to Harry hopkins, 7, #1058 of 1899 🔗

Thankfully my sheeple flock have spared us that in their cards, although there was a short nauseating “what tier are you in?” chat at the funeral. It’s like saying “which camp are you off to?”

306670 nickbowes, 4, #1059 of 1899 🔗

He might not be to everybody`s taste but Richard D Hall finally has his Pandemic shows available :-

306673 Dan Clarke, replying to Dan Clarke, 22, #1060 of 1899 🔗

North Koreans now calling themselves the Free World

306680 ▶▶ JHuntz, replying to Dan Clarke, 9, #1061 of 1899 🔗

Kim’s advertising a freedom holiday.

306690 ▶▶ PatrickF, replying to Dan Clarke, 7, #1062 of 1899 🔗

Freer than the UK.

306706 ▶▶ Cecil B, replying to Dan Clarke, 2, #1063 of 1899 🔗

How do we get there?

306824 ▶▶ kenadams, replying to Dan Clarke, #1064 of 1899 🔗

Out of interest, how has N Korea dealt with this? Are they masking etc?

306875 ▶▶▶ PompeyJunglist, replying to kenadams, -2, #1065 of 1899 🔗

I think they acknowledged one patient and shot them in the head.

306962 ▶▶▶ John P, replying to kenadams, -1, #1066 of 1899 🔗

Someone was recently executed for breaking the rules according to the DM.

“North Korea publicly executes a citizen by firing squad for breaking Covid restriction rules.”

306901 ▶▶ Jo Dominich -, replying to Dan Clarke, #1067 of 1899 🔗

I think they’re right!

307178 ▶▶ Ben, replying to Dan Clarke, 1, #1068 of 1899 🔗

I might apply for asylum in North Korea

306677 kh1485, replying to kh1485, 9, #1069 of 1899 🔗

As if further proof were needed that people view the (not ‘our’) NHS as a religious entity, I have just lifted one of the pebble messages that form (and I am not making this up) the ‘Colin the Covid Cobra’ shrine just beyond the graveyard. On the reverse side of the rainbow drawing there was a quote from the bible! FFS.

306710 ▶▶ Paul, replying to kh1485, 5, #1070 of 1899 🔗

‘Colin the Covid Cobra’,Jesus wept !,I don’t think we will ever reach peak insanity.I would like some of these NHS disciples to spend a couple of shifts with my daughter at her hospital and see how their deity really operates,I think it would remove the scales from a lot of eyes.

306725 ▶▶▶ kh1485, replying to Paul, 5, #1071 of 1899 🔗

I know. Still, archeologists of the future may find my response to that particular pebble instructive as to the alternative viewpoint. I find its location – adjacent to the graveyard – nauseating also.

I know I rant about the NHS and it is with good reason, but the people who showed my mum extreme kindness and gentleness were (like your daughter) the porters who moved her. Pity that the doctors and nurses couldn’t show as much care.

306755 ▶▶▶▶ Paul, replying to kh1485, 7, #1072 of 1899 🔗

My daughter says most of the nurses and doctors don’t lower themselves to talk to the porters and try to treat them like their personal servants.

306900 ▶▶▶▶▶ Jo Dominich -, replying to Paul, 2, #1073 of 1899 🔗

Yep that’s about right. If you look at the Staffordshire Report you will see the kind of bullying that is rife within the NHS. It is a monumental culture of hierarchy.

306815 ▶▶ awildgoose, replying to kh1485, 1, #1074 of 1899 🔗

In Chicago, Mayor Lightfoot dressed up as the, “Rona Destroyer,” for Halloween.

306682 richard riewer, replying to richard riewer, 11, #1075 of 1899 🔗

Coercion, no coercion. Who cares? It’s a ruse. They shouldn’t be deciding anything and we should ignore everything that they tell us. Always.

306694 ▶▶ Leemc23, replying to richard riewer, 6, #1076 of 1899 🔗

It’s been coercion by default since at least early March. Special Advisers and Behavioural Science bods rule in the UK. Hancock’s half hour is the product of many people who do not have your best interests at heart.

307660 ▶▶▶ richard riewer, replying to Leemc23, #1077 of 1899 🔗

Hancock’s Half Hour. Great name for a TV show.
Although I doubt that he could last a half an hour.

306684 Laura, 2, #1078 of 1899 🔗

Toby, I’m not sure if you’ve posted this study (of 54 studies) but it is incredibly enlightening. https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jamanetworkopen/fullarticle/2774102 . Firstly, that asymptomatic spread in HOUSES was 0.7% (meaning the “risk” of asymptomatic spread is basically nothing outside the house!) and that social distancing made everything worse. “Modeling studies demonstrated that household transmission had a greater relative contribution to the basic reproductive number after social distancing (30%-55%) than before social distancing (5%-35%). 8 While current US Centers for Disease Control and Prevention recommendations are to maintain 6 feet of distance from a sick household member, this may be difficult to achieve in practice and not be fully effective.”

306686 PatrickF, 4, #1079 of 1899 🔗

Christmas is a time to bring people together, by socially distancing.

306696 Tom Blackburn, replying to Tom Blackburn, 7, #1080 of 1899 🔗

Furlough extended again

306708 ▶▶ Fingerache Philip., replying to Tom Blackburn, 7, #1081 of 1899 🔗

It really is Hotel California!!!

306722 ▶▶ anon, replying to Tom Blackburn, 7, #1082 of 1899 🔗

a bit like unlimited quantitive easing

house of fucking cards!

306958 ▶▶ awildgoose, replying to Tom Blackburn, 2, #1083 of 1899 🔗

All part of the brainwashing plan to inculcate a sense of learned helplessness.

306698 zacaway, replying to zacaway, 10, #1084 of 1899 🔗

This is great news – I think it means I can start smoking again to protect me from Covid, right?

British American Tobacco wins approval to test Covid vaccine on humans

British American Tobacco has moved a step closer to producing a vaccine for coronavirus using tobacco plants, as it won approval in the US to begin testing on humans.


Can’t be any dafter than the Government’s advice to sit granny next to an open window in the middle of December, for her own good.

306707 ▶▶ Nobody2020, replying to zacaway, 6, #1085 of 1899 🔗

Sounds like the episode of The Simpsons where Homer creates a hybrid Tobacco/Tomato plant and calls it Tomacco.


306699 PatrickF, replying to PatrickF, 3, #1086 of 1899 🔗

How many secondary school children have DIED from Coronavirus?
None. One. 117,009?

306712 ▶▶ zacaway, replying to PatrickF, 4, #1087 of 1899 🔗

Not a lot:


but you’ll have a hard time finding out how many people from any age group have actually died from coronavirus as they don’t report that. It’s either “involving” COVID-19 or with a positive PCR test within 28 days prior to death.

307560 ▶▶▶ Voz 0db, replying to zacaway, #1088 of 1899 🔗

Fakery oh fakery…

306717 ▶▶ Gerry Mandarin, replying to PatrickF, 3, #1089 of 1899 🔗

Even with the most spin it is no more than 3.

306720 ▶▶ Will, replying to PatrickF, 5, #1090 of 1899 🔗

How many teachers have died with/ from Covid? None from I imagine but I bet they will struggle to even find a teacher who has died with covid.

306818 ▶▶▶ kenadams, replying to Will, 3, #1091 of 1899 🔗

Statistically speaking, teachers (unless unusually co-morbid) are more in danger of dying while driving to school than they are to die of/with covid caught at school.

306822 ▶▶▶ mjr, replying to Will, 5, #1092 of 1899 🔗

likely more teachers died from DIY accidents whilst schools were closed

307559 ▶▶ Voz 0db, replying to PatrickF, #1093 of 1899 🔗

ZERO… I can have ZERO “positive” PCR amplifications, and so, I can have ZERO “COVID-19” deaths.

Easy, easy…
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306703 Fingerache Philip., replying to Fingerache Philip., 23, #1094 of 1899 🔗

RE: Heated discussion on TR this morning between JHB and a representative of the NHS.
JHB said to representative: ” You can’t tell me that every single operative is exhausted and at the “end of their tethers”. After the initial “bluster”, he admitted that it was what the NHS executives told him.
So, if these executives told him and his colleagues that Madonna was a virgin then they would believe it!!!!

306856 ▶▶ Dodderydude, replying to Fingerache Philip., 6, #1095 of 1899 🔗

BBC interviewed a female head of some professional intensive care quango a few weeks ago and asked her about the overwhelmed hospitals. She was asked what she had witnessed herself. Her response was to say that she herself wasn’t a frontline worker (she was clearly affronted at such a suggestion) but she knew of the pressures on resources because she “like everyone else had seen it reported in the press”. Seriously, that is what she said.

306886 ▶▶▶ Victoria, replying to Dodderydude, 4, #1096 of 1899 🔗

she “like everyone else had seen it reported in the press”

ha ha! You can’t make this stuff up. Had an expectation that people in such serious positions would not just listen to the BBC news but make sure that they have a thorough understanding of all evidence / information available

306716 Kath, replying to Kath, 3, #1097 of 1899 🔗

Is their anyone in government advocating any of the opposing science?

306910 ▶▶ Voz 0db, replying to Kath, 1, #1098 of 1899 🔗

Why would they?!

306972 ▶▶▶ Kath, replying to Voz 0db, #1099 of 1899 🔗

I just had a vague hope that someone in the elected lot who supposedly act for their constituents would bring a little common sense to proceedings but I am clearly clutching at straws….. 🙁

307553 ▶▶▶▶ Voz 0db, replying to Kath, #1100 of 1899 🔗

The faster you embrace REALITY – they are ALL scoundrels, corrupt and liars and that they don’t give a fuck about you (or me) – the faster you engage in trying to find solutions to get rid of those MFs…

307556 ▶▶▶▶ Voz 0db, replying to Kath, #1101 of 1899 🔗

HOPE is a synonym for WAITING!

While you wait, they screw you BIG TIME…

306719 BeBopRockSteady, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 10, #1102 of 1899 🔗

Northern Ireland lockdown lovers

306723 ▶▶ Dan Clarke, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 8, #1103 of 1899 🔗

That is disgraceful

306738 ▶▶ PhilipF, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 8, #1104 of 1899 🔗

Still shocking to me, but quite normal to most, it seems.
My fellow inhabitants of this sceptred isle have, on the whole, been a great disappointment. Could we have new ones, please?

306742 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 8, #1105 of 1899 🔗

“You must stay on your own”


306746 ▶▶ Thomas_E, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 16, #1106 of 1899 🔗

You want it darker, now turn off the flame…People will get everything they deserve until they rise up. For fuck sake people in N Ireland used to throw fucking molotov’s if the wrong football club from Glasgow wins..But when government actually curtails their freedoms and rights..Nothing , zero, nada , complete compliance. I guess all the fighting men that used to join the UVF or IRA are now worrying about the pronouns too to do anything.

306752 ▶▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to Thomas_E, 6, #1107 of 1899 🔗

Yeah, the compliance levels are very high here. Hardly a peep.

It’s one big safe seat for the polticians too. Based on green or blue , that’s it.

306778 ▶▶▶ kh1485, replying to Thomas_E, 5, #1108 of 1899 🔗

I keep saying this and I am looked at like I am mad (“oh god, she’s off on one again”) but they just don’t see it. As others have said though, when *they* come for the money, perhaps that’ll concentrate a few minds.

306891 ▶▶▶ Jo Dominich -, replying to Thomas_E, 1, #1109 of 1899 🔗

So much for their ‘firebreakers’ then. They were supposed to be the saviours. Clearly not.

306748 ▶▶ Tenchy, replying to BeBopRockSteady, #1110 of 1899 🔗

It won’t work! When will these thickos running the show realise it?

306839 ▶▶▶ Andrew K, replying to Tenchy, 2, #1111 of 1899 🔗

Well it’s been working for 9 months, ie fooling the people that is.

306768 ▶▶ Crystal Decanter, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 1, #1112 of 1899 🔗

I refuse to believe Arlene Foster is female

306772 ▶▶ mattghg, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 8, #1113 of 1899 🔗

Please don’t take this the wrong way Ulsterpeople, but haven’t you had more than enough of vehicle check points to last you several lifetimes?

306805 ▶▶ thinkaboutit, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 3, #1114 of 1899 🔗

This for an airborne virus. True taking us for a ride.

306890 ▶▶ Jo Dominich -, replying to BeBopRockSteady, #1115 of 1899 🔗

They are a bunch of deluded idiots. No reference to data, no reference to anything. That’s power for the sake of power grabbing no more no less. What justification have they got for this?

306956 ▶▶ John P, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 1, #1116 of 1899 🔗

“according to several sources”

Names and or links would be helpful …

I’m not in the mood for attention seeking bollocks today.

307169 ▶▶ Ben, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 1, #1117 of 1899 🔗

I would like to see protestors (who find these rules to be inducing suicide) standing outside politicians’ homes with placards demanding that the Government pays and organises for them to travel to Dignitas in Switzerland to have their lives ended

Let’s see cause and effect. Let the world see the crimes that politicians are doing to the people

Every politician involved in this decision is committing crimes against humanity. Not hyperbole to say I’m sickened and disgusted.

Where the fuck are the human rights lawyers?

307665 ▶▶▶ richard riewer, replying to Ben, #1118 of 1899 🔗

One of them is leader of the Labour Party.

306731 ▶▶ godowneasy, replying to Tom Blackburn, 13, #1120 of 1899 🔗

“Do not share food with your pet” – there may not be much choice soon when pet food is the only thing available.

306842 ▶▶▶ Crystal Decanter, replying to godowneasy, 2, #1121 of 1899 🔗

or go full Venezuela and eat the zoo animals

306785 ▶▶ Jo, replying to Tom Blackburn, 1, #1122 of 1899 🔗

Crying with laughter……

306812 ▶▶ kenadams, replying to Tom Blackburn, 6, #1123 of 1899 🔗

I’ve been thinking about this more – I hope they come after the pets. Ideally, request a nationwide cull. That might, just might, precipitate the whole house of cards falling down…

306825 ▶▶▶ Tom Blackburn, replying to kenadams, 1, #1124 of 1899 🔗

I’ve been thinking about this too and is an area we could affect change. Obviously we don’t want things to go this far but it may focus minds of people if they think it reasonably could. There is no reason why we couldn’t orchestrate a coordinated ‘twitter bomb’ at say 8pm with the same hashtag. Get it trending – just one idea,

306843 ▶▶▶ Crystal Decanter, replying to kenadams, #1125 of 1899 🔗

We need to push for this

306847 ▶▶▶ maggie may, replying to kenadams, 9, #1126 of 1899 🔗

As an owner of 3 dogs who have kept me sane throughout the last 9 months, please don’t request such a cull. there are plenty of morons out there who would support it.

306849 ▶▶▶▶ kenadams, replying to maggie may, 3, #1127 of 1899 🔗

Don’t worry, it would never, never happen. Middle class people on twitter care far more about their pets than the livelihoods and lives of other humans. That’s why I want the government to do it, to flush people out and get momentum behind the sceptic cause.

307672 ▶▶▶▶▶ richard riewer, replying to kenadams, #1128 of 1899 🔗

It might happen in New Zealand.

307667 ▶▶▶ richard riewer, replying to kenadams, #1129 of 1899 🔗

Put down all the budgies.

307671 ▶▶▶▶ richard riewer, replying to richard riewer, #1130 of 1899 🔗
307153 ▶▶ Ben, replying to Tom Blackburn, #1131 of 1899 🔗

Didn’t a dog die of Covid too? I think I read that Bill Gates has marketed some vaccines for pets

306730 PaulParanoia, replying to PaulParanoia, 12, #1132 of 1899 🔗

My eldest sons secondary school in Essex sent out an email last week asking parents to take their children to be tested at the expanded community testing centres (even if they have no symptoms). Surprise, surprise, the school has seen a big increase in children testing positive (my bold) …

“As I am sure you will appreciate this week has been incredibly challenging. The latest directive from the DfE has meant that we have had to deal with an increase in positive cases as a result of the system identifying more and more asymptomatic people .”

I’d put money on most of these being False Positives. When is the madness going to end?

306737 ▶▶ Thomas_E, replying to PaulParanoia, 2, #1133 of 1899 🔗

Well the government now says end of April 2021..but my guess would be never. Welcome , how was your sleep so far?

306801 ▶▶▶ PaulParanoia, replying to Thomas_E, 1, #1134 of 1899 🔗

“Welcome , how was your sleep so far?”

What you on about Willis?

306740 ▶▶ alw, replying to PaulParanoia, 11, #1135 of 1899 🔗

Do not take your child to be tested and collaborate with state sponsored child abuse. The more tests of asymptomatic people the longer they will want to imprison the entire population.

306798 ▶▶▶ PaulParanoia, replying to alw, 7, #1136 of 1899 🔗

Too right. I’m not taking my kids for a test when they are perfectly healthy. I’ll also be letting the school know I do not consent to the mass ‘in school’ testing which has just been announced either.

306885 ▶▶▶ Jo Dominich -, replying to alw, 4, #1137 of 1899 🔗

I think we are now the only country in the world pushing this asymptomatic crap. If you ain’t got symptoms you ain’t got it. Simples.

306883 ▶▶ Jo Dominich -, replying to PaulParanoia, 2, #1138 of 1899 🔗

We know for a fact that children and young people stand more chance of being hit on the head by something falling out out of the sky than getting covid. The tests are inevitably false positives.

307149 ▶▶ Ben, replying to PaulParanoia, #1139 of 1899 🔗

The Corona Scandal is the biggest scam in human history

306733 Danny, replying to Danny, 34, #1140 of 1899 🔗

So teenagers will be denied education and a safe place to study yet again, for (at least) the first week of the year.
As a teacher myself, I find this beyond disgraceful.
If teaching consisted solely of distance learning, then we could all save a fortune as a society, and tell everyone to just watch YouTube.
Teaching is so very far from what I signed up to now, that I cannot stand it.

306747 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to Danny, 7, #1141 of 1899 🔗

I think that fall in ambition is reflected among many. Its pointless to plan for giving yourself to any long term project when they keep pulling the rug out.

306769 ▶▶ DRW, replying to Danny, 5, #1142 of 1899 🔗

Zoom University is a fucking joke, Tom from Scotland can vouch for that as a professor. I can’t wait for that daily irritant to fuck off.

306773 ▶▶ Jo, replying to Danny, 2, #1143 of 1899 🔗

Oh well, Danny. Think on. You’re probably a lot younger than some of us, so when the whole education system has been officially closed, you can start an “underground” proper school – I’m sure there will be plenty of takers!

306810 ▶▶ Will, replying to Danny, 13, #1144 of 1899 🔗

As my daughter’s paediatrician said to me back in May, what we are doing to children, in removing them from the herd, has not been done in the entire history of the human race. God knows what the fall out will be to their immune systems, and all for a disease that , in statistical terms, is harmless to them, even the very, very sickest of them, thank God. Nothing makes me more angry than the teaching unions claiming schools aren’t safe for children when all you would hear on my daughter’s oncology ward, where she has been treated for the last six months, was the nurse specialists asking these desperately sick kids and teenagers how they were coping at school. If it is safe enough for kids as sick as that to go to school, it is safe enough for all children.

306734 Dan Clarke, replying to Dan Clarke, 6, #1145 of 1899 🔗

Johnson’s Christmas card is notifying us that the country has officially gone to the dogs

307674 ▶▶ richard riewer, replying to Dan Clarke, #1146 of 1899 🔗

He’s Mutt number one.

306749 John Stone, replying to John Stone, 11, #1147 of 1899 🔗

The government is confronted by the problem that if it introduced any overt coercive measures in relation to vaccination it would undermine the principle of “informed consent” and leave liability with the government. Of course, Hancock, Zahawi, Simon Stevens etc would love to have compulsion. Frankly – and I have pointed this out to them – they need to tone down the intimidatory rhetoric – or this could compromise informed consent as well.

PS I don’t know why we have to be told Neville Hodgkinson is not an “antivaxxer”: it is not a legal status.

306816 ▶▶ Will, replying to John Stone, 1, #1148 of 1899 🔗

Could the intimidatory rhetoric compromise the social media platforms, in your informed opinion, John Stone?

307017 ▶▶▶ John Stone, replying to Will, #1149 of 1899 🔗


Why not? It should not be the job of anyone to pressurise people over medical interventions: not politicians, not doctors, not health officials, not journalists, not the BBC or ITV, so why social media platforms? They are behaving quite unethically.

306751 alw, 15, #1150 of 1899 🔗

So true.

306757 kh1485, replying to kh1485, 47, #1151 of 1899 🔗

Bob won the ‘COVID’ cartoon of the year:


306770 ▶▶ PoshPanic, replying to kh1485, 7, #1152 of 1899 🔗

Yay! There is some good news

306780 ▶▶▶ kh1485, replying to PoshPanic, 14, #1153 of 1899 🔗

And I think the right cartoon of his won. Says so, so much about the cruelty of what is being done to us atm.

306776 ▶▶ Dan Clarke, replying to kh1485, 12, #1154 of 1899 🔗

Good acceptance speech too

306797 ▶▶▶ Julian, replying to Dan Clarke, 11, #1155 of 1899 🔗

Top notch – calm but passionate

He clearly feels very strongly about this shit

306850 ▶▶▶ Freecumbria, replying to Dan Clarke, 4, #1156 of 1899 🔗

Yes, very good indeed

306779 ▶▶ annie, replying to kh1485, 10, #1157 of 1899 🔗

Brilliant Bob! Hats off, ladies and gents, a genius!

306823 ▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to kh1485, 3, #1158 of 1899 🔗

After the row they daren’t not!

306854 ▶▶ kf99, replying to kh1485, 2, #1159 of 1899 🔗

Excellent. Just realised no sign of Matt in the pocket cartoon section?

306758 nickbowes, replying to nickbowes, 20, #1160 of 1899 🔗

Dave who does the night shift at the local petrol station says when there is a full moon combined with a high tide, the gravitational pull lifts Covid up into the atmosphere making it safe to walk around without a mask.

306781 ▶▶ George Mc, replying to nickbowes, 2, #1161 of 1899 🔗

Are you sure about that? Has anyone carried out a PCR test on the atmosphere?

306783 ▶▶ annie, replying to nickbowes, 2, #1162 of 1899 🔗

And you should always trust the Science, yeah.

306817 ▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to nickbowes, 1, #1163 of 1899 🔗

There’s been an SI banning spring tides and full moons coinciding. Coz govt, see.

306784 Basics, replying to Basics, 10, #1164 of 1899 🔗

Regarding untrustable krankie.

A comment from today’s blog on a pro independence website reads:

“”Craig Murray posted this at the end of the last thread and I think is at the root of all our problems.

Craig Murray:-

“There is no doubt Nicola is out for a top international job. Staff at the UN second HQ in Geneva have told me she has had feelers out there”.

“It is worth remembering that all top international jobs, particularly the UN, will never appoint anyone without the support of their own government – which in terms of international law and diplomacy currently means Boris Johnson. So no chance whatsoever she is actually going to take on Johnson over Indy”.””

I presume Craig Murray’s comment is on this page – https://wingsoverscotland.com/how-to-abuse-children-in-plain-sight/

Relevant lockdown in that she ‘may’ not be representing the people of Scotland but aiming to secure her own career aims and indeed using the Scottish people during this time.

If feelers are going out has the war-gaming shown her that her position is untenable given the lies that swill out of Holyrood?

306813 ▶▶ Darryl, replying to Basics, 4, #1165 of 1899 🔗

God help us if she is one of the new UN rulers of the world. What has the world done to deserve people like this in charge.

306880 ▶▶▶ annie, replying to Darryl, 7, #1166 of 1899 🔗

Kick the foul old witch upstairs, it’s the only way to get shot of people like her.
Dungford is known to have applied for the position of Head of State Security in North Korea, but was rejected as being excessively cruel and fanatical.

306814 ▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to Basics, 1, #1167 of 1899 🔗

Quite a few politicians in all the UK have untenable positions now. Serves them right

307026 ▶▶ John Smith, replying to Basics, 2, #1168 of 1899 🔗

The only place she’s heading is Cornton Vale once we catch up with her.

307676 ▶▶▶ richard riewer, replying to John Smith, #1169 of 1899 🔗

Any peat bogs around there?

306934 ▶▶ Mabel Cow, replying to Tom Blackburn, 1, #1171 of 1899 🔗

I like the idea of rebelling without hope of success. I find it’s the dashed hope that drains my spirit more than anything else.

307020 ▶▶▶ Rosie, replying to Mabel Cow, 1, #1172 of 1899 🔗

Exactly the place I’ve got to. Mabel, thanks for your remark about bilingual people being more logical, I made a note and was going to explore today.

To carry on with neither hope nor optimism, because I have to and in order to delay the evil, and because, although it seems like it, we cannot in fact read the future. There;s a small small chance that what we fear won’t happen.

307197 ▶▶▶▶ Mabel Cow, replying to Rosie, #1173 of 1899 🔗

The Foreign-Language Effect : Thinking in a foreign tongue reduces decision biases ; 2012; Boaz Keysar, Sayuri L. Hayakawa, Sun Gyu An

307678 ▶▶▶ richard riewer, replying to Mabel Cow, #1174 of 1899 🔗

Marlon Brando in The Wild Ones

306789 calchas, replying to calchas, 6, #1175 of 1899 🔗

Good news:

The Austrian National Bank has started an information campaign to support cash. It remains to be seen whether it is on a collision course with the ECB. There will be rising resistance to this scheme to eliminate paper money and force everyone into a digital currency.”


“n November 2019, the Swedish Riksdag adopted legislation under which certain large credit institutions – currently the six largest banks in Sweden – will be obliged to provide certain cash services throughout Sweden from 1 January 2021 onwards. The purpose is to ensure a certain minimum level of access to cash services for consumers and companies.”


306851 ▶▶ kf99, replying to calchas, 1, #1176 of 1899 🔗

I don’t know why legislation can’t compel “essential” retailers to accept cash. Now that governments have decided what essential is. If you can stay open during lockdowns, this is the deal.

306866 ▶▶▶ Will, replying to kf99, 2, #1177 of 1899 🔗

If my money isn’t good enough for you I’ll go elsewhere. The same will apply if someone tries to deny me service because I haven’t had the vaccine.

306876 ▶▶▶▶ annie, replying to Will, 4, #1178 of 1899 🔗

Hear hear.
A zombie shop in Tenby insists on card payment even for a cup of coffee. Fortunately, there are scores of other places where you can get coffee for cash. Until Stalin closes them all again, that is. Covidcoffeekills.

306929 ▶▶▶ JanMasarykMunich, replying to kf99, 1, #1179 of 1899 🔗

I think that in CH all businesses have an obligation to accept cash. Certainly in more than 10 years I have never had a problem.

307143 ▶▶ Ben, replying to calchas, #1180 of 1899 🔗

Cash is king

306793 Tim Bidie, replying to Tim Bidie, 11, #1181 of 1899 🔗

In every monthly mortality analysis, there is always one dead giveaway………

In England in November 2020, 8 of the 10 leading causes of death were significantly lower than the five-year average (2015 to 2019)’


306795 ▶▶ calchas, replying to Tim Bidie, 6, #1182 of 1899 🔗

Let me guess – covid wasn’t one of them?

….and neither was suicide, although they are sitting on those figures, so we don’t know exactly.

306845 ▶▶▶ Dodderydude, replying to calchas, 13, #1183 of 1899 🔗

Had a chat with my regular postwoman this morning ( her mask fashionably suspended under her chin!) and she was complaining about being fed up with lockdown and the impact it was having on everyone’s health and mental state. She told me that where her son-in-law works three men in their thirties have committed suicide in the past few weeks because of lockdown. I knew suicide was bound to be a growing problem but even this figure seemed astounding. We really do have a pandemic of suicide on our hands.

307146 ▶▶▶▶ Jo Dominich -, replying to Dodderydude, 4, #1184 of 1899 🔗

What a terrible state of affairs, that these people feel such despair as to take the ultimate action. There is never anything positive said by any of the scientists or politicians like, thanking the British people for their high level of compliance, for doing what they can etc there is not single positive word of reassurance about jobs, the economy, a strategic exit plan with an end date nothing. It’s all negative negative negative. I an understand why her colleauges have lost hope. People need to be praised, they need to here positive exit strategies with an end date, they need to be prioritised over the NHS and their incompetence, they need to be reassured there is a proper safety net if they lose their houses and jobs and let’s be honest, there’s very little chance of getting another one at the moment. But no, it’s all blame, blame, blame, moving goalposts, lies, lies, lies, falsified statistics, fear and doom mongering on an industrial scale. I’m not surprised the suicide rate is probably through the roof. However, what do the NHS and the Government care?

307247 ▶▶▶▶▶ Cranmer, replying to Jo Dominich -, 2, #1185 of 1899 🔗

There has been no talk of an exit plan since about April, as far as I can remember. It’s why I don’t trust any of these predictions about when we’re going ‘back to normal’. It just gets constantly pushed back (it’s now going to be summer 2021 at least) and the sheeple fall for it every time.

306832 ▶▶ Jonny S., replying to Tim Bidie, #1186 of 1899 🔗

Also from the same page. We are in a terrible pandemic that is killing less than other things that are killing us

Leading causes of death registered year-to-dateIn the first 11 months of 2020 (1 January to 30 November), the leading cause of death in both England and Wales was dementia and Alzheimer’s disease, accounting for 11.8% of all deaths in England and 10.6% of all deaths in Wales. The rate of deaths from dementia and Alzheimer’s disease was significantly above the five-year average in England (120.2 deaths per 100,000 people in 2020 compared with 118.0 deaths per 100,000 people for the five-year average), but similar to the five-year average in Wales.
COVID-19 was the second most common cause of death in both England (11.2% of all deaths) and Wales (9.8% of all deaths) for January to November 2020.

306837 ▶▶▶ Jonny S., replying to Jonny S., 9, #1187 of 1899 🔗

And in reply to my own reply, Covid only comes in a close second because it cheated and nicked a load of deaths from the other eight as I’m sure Tim was pointing out.

306811 Fingerache Philip., replying to Fingerache Philip., 28, #1188 of 1899 🔗

Just having my hair cut when the kids were coming out of school.
Barber said “That’s the problem you see,these kids just aren’t social distancing”.
I would have asked him: exactly how many kids have had it let alone died of it in the whole country but what’s the BLEEDIN POINT?

306874 ▶▶ annie, replying to Fingerache Philip., 14, #1189 of 1899 🔗

I know what you mean. Had the same duckspeaking garbage from my piano teacher.On every other subject she speaks like the rational, intelligent woman I always believed her to be, but on Covid- quack quack.

307150 ▶▶▶ Alethea, replying to annie, 2, #1190 of 1899 🔗

I’ve seen this repeatedly in people – it’s virtually metamorphic. One minute, perfectly sensible person talking away like a human being. Next thing you know, feathers around the beak, feet webbing out before your eyes.

307244 ▶▶▶▶ Cranmer, replying to Alethea, #1191 of 1899 🔗

There’s also a sort of doublethink or half-scepticism around. For example, some of us from the village pub hold discrete ‘business meetings’ in our homes of a weekend. I was talking to one chap who seemed fairly sceptical, but then he said ‘I don’t think it does much harm two or three of us getting together like this. But some people are having groups of 30 – that’s ridiculous!’

306835 NickR, replying to NickR, 12, #1192 of 1899 🔗

The Northern Irish are going for a tough 6 week lockdown, the Welsh are doing god know what, the Scotts are doing whatever Nicola thought was a good idea this morning & the English are putting more areas in Tier 3, meanwhile deaths are below average!

306836 ▶▶ Dan Clarke, replying to NickR, 2, #1193 of 1899 🔗

So no justification now, when is someone going to take them on, they must know its coming

306848 ▶▶▶ Seansaighdeoir, replying to Dan Clarke, 11, #1194 of 1899 🔗

The propaganda is still too strong. There has been noted increase in the fear level leading up to Christmas that almost bears resemblance to the dark days of April.

The schizo mail on the one hand blasting the ridiculous rules as their Christmases get ruined while at the same time raising the fear porn this morning with scaremongering over ‘cases’ in the US.

As someone commented earlier – ‘there is no news now only narrative’.

306858 ▶▶ PatrickF, replying to NickR, 7, #1195 of 1899 🔗

‘Cases’ are more important than deaths, to SAGE and Hancock.
They must assume most people are more terrified of a case of Coronavirus, than death itself.

306872 ▶▶▶ annie, replying to PatrickF, 3, #1196 of 1899 🔗

The zombies see no difference. The Virus Is Death.

306838 Nobody2020, replying to Nobody2020, 9, #1197 of 1899 🔗

It’s amazing to see all these asymptomatic people walking around mixing and not infecting everyone around them.

Unless testing is catching people as soon as they become infected we have to assume a reasonable amount of time has passed.

The question therefore is – Why isn’t everyone getting infected if asymptomatic spread is possible and asymptomatics are so widespread?

306870 ▶▶ annie, replying to Nobody2020, 3, #1198 of 1899 🔗

Probably everyone is getting what they call ‘infected’, i.e,p their bodies can cope with the virus and they are not ill. It’s what us known as herd immunity.

306954 ▶▶ Binra, replying to Nobody2020, #1199 of 1899 🔗

Oh come on its all bollox!

But its operating the mind-captured as if it mean something.
They don’t know what any thing means now unless it is three short soundbytes.

307142 ▶▶ Ben, replying to Nobody2020, #1200 of 1899 🔗

Do you know nothing about these PCR tests?

306841 Binra, replying to Binra, 7, #1201 of 1899 🔗

“While to my mind a safe and effective vaccine would be welcome as a way to bring this self-inflicted disaster to a close (despite the dangerous precedent it sets for future similar outbreaks),”

The underlying premise of this is the means by which a great evil is passed down to future self and generations, as a consequence of masking over its resolution.
This can be depicted as just do whatever has to be done to ‘make the bad go away’ and this is the encapsulation of the ‘bad’ as the framework of all ‘solutions’ down the line.

Our capacity and tolerance for pain is in no small part due to the frame of our thinking.
For example, the expectation of it getting worse feeds fear and feeds the experience of pain. Whereas being truly and only with what is actually here can not only bear what the mind otherwise magifies, but become open and relationally curious, to open a deeper facet of our being that the pain was in a sense protecting – like the secondary pain of a seized back pain can ‘protect’ against pulling the muscles associated with support for life.

Back to the quote:
IF the actual damage and danger was a significant threat to humanity –
AND IF all other means had been ruled out and the vaccine was theorised to truly solve the problem rather than convert it to a dependency of perhaps equal or greater danger –
AND fully tested to ensure no serious unintended consequences were to arise
UNDER full transparency of
TRULY independent scrutiny and challenge in
FULL disclosure of conflicts of interest.

Then there would be at least a sound foundation for considering it.

But even without the known and available treatments and support against infection or severe consequence, the covid reveals itself to be a name-manipulation of fear assigned to the cold-flu season. But the propensity for the injected vaccinations to cross react or enhance (over inflame) an immune response – as well as a huge raft of modern disease conditions that must include vaccinations as a factor until and unless ruled out.
Not to mention the social corruptions to trillion dollar ‘industry’ profiting from sickness, and operating now as a medical overriding of all other laws, freedoms. rights and responsibilities.

I can see the round up of the most fear-prone or lacking in advocacy – for a procedure that is altogether opaque at best. It is as if their number is called and they answer as to their name and will not hear otherwise, and so are living their own choice even if set as blind trust to an other’s,

I wrote another below on the twostep that Baker is aware of and critical of – as the variation of the playing out of lockstep – ie Gov shouts, public and corp sector implement non legal but inherently coercive procedure. A shadow power hides behind multiple fronts.
Because there is no way of gaining co-operation or support in open honesty. A virus is received into many cells such as to shut down the system.
Peace is the condition for the discernment of what thoughts you words accept as currency and extend by living and speaking them. Fear and division generates the condition of ‘darkness’ in distracted diversion. A phished mind is usurped by a stolen or mis-taken identity. Until the error is recognised, it is persisted from as if the reality to which all else must subordinate and ‘make sense’. This is not just covid – but our world.

307114 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to Binra, #1202 of 1899 🔗

This is what happens I feel when you see history being written before your eyes. Your reality is not being reflected back at you in the way it was before.

307140 ▶▶ Ben, replying to Binra, #1203 of 1899 🔗

I don’t trust Steve Baker or any of them. It’s an act to perpetuate the illusion of democracy

306852 kenadams, replying to kenadams, 3, #1204 of 1899 🔗

Question for KH1485 – are you still in Tier 2 or have you been moved into Tier 3?

306861 ▶▶ kh1485, replying to kenadams, 5, #1205 of 1899 🔗

Still in Tier 2.

306898 ▶▶▶ kenadams, replying to kh1485, 2, #1206 of 1899 🔗

Small mercies, I guess!

306853 Cecil B, replying to Cecil B, 12, #1207 of 1899 🔗

I have heard that on the instructions of the dictator the police have cancelled all leave over Christmas

They plan a major propaganda exercise by targeting the homes of dissidents

Thousands of homes will be raided at lunchtime on Christmas Day

This source has always been spot on in the past. Can’t name the source as they would lose their job

Be careful

306862 ▶▶ JHuntz, replying to Cecil B, 4, #1208 of 1899 🔗

Is the dictator Boris, Sturgeon, Drakeford? It’s hard to differentiate these days?

306867 ▶▶▶ annie, replying to JHuntz, 4, #1209 of 1899 🔗

I think they are all possessed by the same evil spirit, a sort of unholy trinity.

306948 ▶▶▶▶ Binra, replying to annie, 2, #1210 of 1899 🔗

Lie Mask Deny

306868 ▶▶ annie, replying to Cecil B, 3, #1211 of 1899 🔗

That one will be a turkey.

306895 ▶▶ Darryl, replying to Cecil B, 10, #1212 of 1899 🔗

If the government ruins everyone else’s Christmas, I am quite glad the police officers who enable the regime will have their Christmases ruined as well. Too many of them look like they are enjoying enforcing petty rules and closing down small businesses.

306899 ▶▶ kenadams, replying to Cecil B, 3, #1213 of 1899 🔗

I hope they do it, because that would get kick back.

306904 ▶▶ Tom Blackburn, replying to Cecil B, 3, #1214 of 1899 🔗

The crime being?

306931 ▶▶ Bugle, replying to Cecil B, 1, #1215 of 1899 🔗

Without iPhones, the state is blind – and probably deaf too.

306942 ▶▶ John P, replying to Cecil B, 4, #1216 of 1899 🔗

Are you serious? What country is this?

Sounds like fearmongering bollocks. I won’t “be careful” any more than I’ll “stay safe.”

You can fuck off – I’ll do what I like.

I’m always suspicious about comments that “can’t name the source”.

306952 ▶▶ awildgoose, replying to Cecil B, 4, #1217 of 1899 🔗

Would not surprise me if lists have been drawn up.

The US Left have chirped quite a bit about lists and camps for Trump voters.

306960 ▶▶ Sir Roderick Spode, replying to Cecil B, 1, #1218 of 1899 🔗

The Police routinely cancel leave at Christmas- it’s a popular move due to the overtime allowances- they won’t even be standing uselessly around in Tube and Railway stations-

307015 ▶▶ John Smith, replying to Cecil B, 5, #1219 of 1899 🔗

They wouldn’t dare and frankly, I think you’re full of shit.

306857 Dylan Thomas Hayden, 7, #1220 of 1899 🔗

Oh my goodness. I attended San Francisco’s Abraham Lincoln High School for two years in the 80s. It was not a good school then and I don’t remember it with much fondness but I am disgusted at the ignorance and woke faddishness that would perform such an act of historical vandalism.

306860 Basics, 9, #1221 of 1899 🔗

The NHS Santa in hospital video has been taken down. Ad watchdog has recieved complaints and is currently doing whatever it is watchdogs do.


On a personal note the bastatds involved in producing the video – any role are a disgrace to their own families. Scum. Do some work on yourselves before it’s too late. Public Health directorate employess especially need to be questioning their own morals after being exposed as bankrupt this year.

306980 ▶▶ Voz 0db, replying to Ben, 4, #1223 of 1899 🔗

The Herd of modern moron slaves are already in that STATE!

306865 duncanpt, replying to duncanpt, 3, #1224 of 1899 🔗

The claim that the vaccine is 95% effective is presumably arithmetically 100 – (8 / 162) ie the ratio of people in each control group getting Covid.

That strikes as reminiscent of those stats you see at the bottom of shampoo ads – 85% of 97 women agreed. The much larger group number (~20k) is irrelevant to this.

306946 ▶▶ awildgoose, replying to duncanpt, #1225 of 1899 🔗

I bet they gamed the PCR tests to produce the 95% success rate.

306979 ▶▶ Voz 0db, replying to duncanpt, #1226 of 1899 🔗

It’s good enough for the moron slaves!

306871 Jo Dominich -, replying to Jo Dominich -, 10, #1227 of 1899 🔗

Just absorbed Wancock’s tier announcements. It’s all about the f****g NHS again, overwhelmed, capacity issues blah blah blah.  It couldn’t organise a piss up in a brewery. For God’s sake, every year they have winter pressures yet every year they never ever have strategic capacity building plans to manage it. They take £146bn of public money a year and spend it on themselves all the time continuously reducing the number of acute beds. It’s an inverted triangle if you like as follows; Most well managed, thriving organisations, if you look at a normal triangle: The small area at the top of the triangle is the Senior Management Team, the second area, slightly larger, is the Middle Management Team. The 3rd area is the staff that deliver the frontline services or at the coal face of service delivery and therefore, make up the larger mass of the triangle because it delivers the Organisations core services. Simples.

The NHS is an inverted triangle as follows:

The top, largest area of the triangle is the tiers of Snr Mgrs all of which have Deputies. The 2nd tier is of middle mgrs and administrators. The 3rd tier, the smallest area are front line services. The NHS has, over the years, continuously axed front line patient services whilst the tiers of managers correspondingly increase.

So, is there going to be a serious, comprehensive, totally independent review of the NHS after this shit show has ended. It clearly isn’t fit for purpose. I want to hear Wancock, Johnson or Sir Simon Stevens say this and mean it. I want them to answer why, with the billions of public money it takes, that year on year they have no strategic plans to shift revenue to manage these.Just absorbed Wancock’s tier announcements. It’s all about the f****g NHS again, overwhelmed, capacity issues blah blah blah.  It couldn’t organise a piss up in a brewery. For God’s sake, every year they have winter pressures yet every year they never ever have strategic capacity building plans to manage it. They take £146bn of public money a year and spend it on themselves all the time continuously reducing the number of acute beds. It’s an inverted triangle if you like as follows; Most well managed, thriving organisations, if you look at a normal triangle: The small area at the top of the triangle is the Senior Management Team, the second area, slightly larger, is the Middle Management Team. The 3rd area, by far the largest area is the staff that deliver the frontline services or at the coal face of service delivery and therefore, make up the larger mass of the triangle because it delivers the Organisations core services. Simples.

The NHS is an inverted triangle as follows:

The top, largest area of the triangle is the tiers of Snr Mgrs all of which have Deputies. The 2nd tier (middle) is of middle mgrs and administrators. The 3rd tier, the smallest area at the bottom are front line services. The NHS has, over the years, continuously axed front line patient services whilst the tiers of managers correspondingly increase.

So, is there going to be a serious, comprehensive, totally independent review of the NHS after this shit show has ended. It clearly isn’t fit for purpose. I want to hear Wancock, Johnson or Sir Simon Stevens say this and mean it. I want them to answer why, with the billions of public money it takes, that year on year they have no strategic plans to shift revenue to manage these.

306879 ▶▶ dhpaul, replying to Jo Dominich -, 7, #1229 of 1899 🔗

Don’t forget that because of the obsessive distancing requirements a significant percentage of beds have just been removed this year. Add in staff not there because of the isolation rules and its no wonder that they can claim they are busy. Its like every part of the economy, if you reduce its capacity you just bring it down to third world level.

306935 ▶▶▶ RickH, replying to dhpaul, 2, #1230 of 1899 🔗

You’re absolutely right – take 2 beds out of an eight bed ward, and that’s a 25% reduction in capacity.

… and that’s on a base level lower than in most European countries.

On top of that – take out staff on the basis of a 1-in-10 probability of a positive PCR test indicating infection, and you’re in deep doo-doo in terms of capacity.

It’s really not difficult to understand.

307389 ▶▶▶▶ Silke David, replying to RickH, #1231 of 1899 🔗

And they need the space to practices their dance routines!

306903 ▶▶ Tom Blackburn, replying to Jo Dominich -, 6, #1232 of 1899 🔗

Yep, he basically stated Greater Manchester will remain restricted due to FEARS the NHS MAY become overwhelmed. I don’t understand why people/MSM don’t make more out of these statements.

306975 ▶▶▶ stefarm, replying to Tom Blackburn, 6, #1233 of 1899 🔗

I don’t understand why people/MSM don’t make more out of these statements.

Sadly MSM are complicit and propping up the whole charade and the people are scared to death (literally)

307008 ▶▶▶▶ John P, replying to stefarm, 6, #1234 of 1899 🔗

The MSM are more than complicit IMO.

They are largely implicated in causing it.

307233 ▶▶▶▶▶ Cranmer, replying to John P, #1235 of 1899 🔗

There is definite corruption/compromise of senior MSM figures. I won’t name names but look at those who never ask any real questions but who instead push an even harder lockdown line than the government itself!

306917 ▶▶ RickH, replying to Jo Dominich -, 5, #1236 of 1899 🔗

I want to hear Wancock, Johnson or Sir Simon Stevens say this …”

Would you really want that lot in charge of a genuine review? I certainly wouldn’t – it’s like asking the undertaker for medicine.

There is a background problem – namely the historical low level of management skills in the UK, where privilege and its networks have always dominated expertise.

306953 ▶▶▶ nottingham69, replying to RickH, #1237 of 1899 🔗

There is a high level of management skill but in private enterprise. Public sector it is safety in the collective.

306922 ▶▶ Steve Martindale, replying to Jo Dominich -, 15, #1238 of 1899 🔗

This whole idea of depriving us all of our civil liberties because Hancock barely has the managerial ability to run the sock Counter at M&S let alone the Health Service is appalling. If the NHS is overwhelmed then it should be Hancock and the NHS managers who should be deprived of their liberty, not the whole population.
These tier regulations are being done under the Public Health Act, that act is about taking direct action against disease and infection it is not about protecting the NHS.

I am afraid this whole sorry hoo-haa has shown that the NHS in its present format is not fit for purpose and needs radical change and breaking up.

307042 ▶▶ PompeyJunglist, replying to Jo Dominich -, 3, #1239 of 1899 🔗

The NHS is really quite shit.

306873 godowneasy, replying to godowneasy, 6, #1240 of 1899 🔗

Sad but true:


In Christmas times, the period of the year when everybody is supposed to be jolly, they placed giant teddy bears on the seats of public buses and a public ferry boat to demonstrate the importance of social distancing.
The bears will be cleaned regularly to guarantee safety and hygiene. After their time on the buses and boats, they will be sanitized one last time and offered to Helsinki’s new children’s hospital.
It seems to me that the smiling bears are laughing at the miserable human passengers.

307137 ▶▶ Ben, replying to godowneasy, 1, #1241 of 1899 🔗

The teddy bears are more sentient

307688 ▶▶ richard riewer, replying to godowneasy, #1242 of 1899 🔗

There are more Teddy Bears than human passengers on that bus.

306882 Dodderydude, replying to Dodderydude, 4, #1243 of 1899 🔗

Drove past the local major vaccination centre in Deeside twice today at about an hour and half interval. It’s clearly open for business – cones directing traffic on the main road and temporary road signs saying “appointments only” and directional arrows. People in high-viz jackets milling about. But no visiting vehicles or pedestrians to be seen coming in or out. Deserted. So if they have a minimum of 975 doses to administer over the next 3.5. days maximum (i.e. just short of 300 doses per day average to administer), where were the expected queues of patients? Or are there going to be multiple spoiled doses of vaccine…or multiple patients vaccinated with unviable vaccines?

307216 ▶▶ Dodderydude, replying to Dodderydude, #1244 of 1899 🔗

Responding to my own post, but here goes. In spite of all the disruptive work to devote one lane on the main road to ‘vaccination traffic’ and to erect signs for the benefit of vaccine candidates (as opposed to trade vehicles) I have now read that the Deeside centre will only become open for vaccinations on 4 January so I am even more confused by what is going on there! Maybe a practice run? Anyway, I am driving past it again tomorrow so it will be interesting to see how it looks then.

306887 chris, 9, #1245 of 1899 🔗

Just on the subject of a mass vaccination programme for chinese flu and what I see as a second jab conundrum. This issue is separate from all the other problems with the Pfizer jab. Please correct me if my arithmetic/scenario is faulty.

After one recipient has received the first jab then 21 days later this recipient needs a second jab. So, if, each day, the jabbers jab 17237 persons then 21 days later the jabbers will have to start re-jabbing those same people at the same rate of 17237 jabs per day. Therefore for the next 21 days no on can receive their first jab.

If additional “jabbers” are employed (as has been mooted) this problem remains but just with larger numbers. What this means is that if the present rate of vaccinations maintained next year, there will be 6,291,505 jabs but only 3,145, 752 people vaccinated.

Do vaccy minister’s projections take this into account?

306892 kenadams, replying to kenadams, 44, #1246 of 1899 🔗

I just sent this to a variety of MPs, plagiarising a comment underneath a Telegraph article a bit. My only worry is that I might have sat on the fence a bit?

“Dear Sirs

This email is primarily aimed at the Conservative MPs, but I have sent it to all of you because this simply has to stop.

Tiers, tiers, tiers, I don’t care about the specifics, the truth is that this is a government assaulting its own people, condemning millions of them to early deaths from cancer, heart disease and loneliness, to joblessness, to sheer abject misery and depression. Why? Because of the results of useless PCR tests – PCR tests were never meant to be done at this scale, they are being carried out by non medical people in inadequate conditions which gives rise to cross contamination and thus, scores of false positives. Please look at the various papers and comments from Dr Mike Yeadon, former VP of Respiratory Disease at Pfizer, if you don’t believe me.

Of the ICU wards around the country, 30% are unoccupied; the NHS is no busier this winter than any other winter. There is no reason for this madness.

This is a grotesque, disgusting, revolting, appalling, vile, stupid and insane government drunk on its own power and unable to admit it made terrible mistakes earlier in the year by over-reacting to this virus.

And I voted for them. But by god, how I despise them now.

Please, please, please campaign for an end to lockdowns, tiers, social distancing and mask wearing, and for a return to sanity.

Please, please, please campaign for all schools to remain fully open all academic year, and to stop mass testing of children. We should not be sending classes and year groups home because of asymptomatic PCR test results, or even symptomatic children given the miniscule danger to their health versus the very real harm to their education. We should be prioritising the education and futures of our children. This affects the children from the poorest and most vulnerable households the most. It is vile. Indefensible. Horrendous. Unexplainable evil.

Yours sincerely”

306906 ▶▶ Mabel Cow, replying to kenadams, 9, #1247 of 1899 🔗

An excellent piece of writing. Covers all the points succinctly and forcibly.

306913 ▶▶ Winston Smith, replying to kenadams, 5, #1248 of 1899 🔗

Would you mind me borrowing that? I may change it a bit.

306915 ▶▶▶ kenadams, replying to Winston Smith, 5, #1249 of 1899 🔗

Go for it. Although they mostly get ignored, I do think emailing regularly does help. Bit by bit.

307690 ▶▶▶▶ richard riewer, replying to kenadams, #1250 of 1899 🔗

They need to receive thousands of daily emails at all hours of the day and night.

306916 ▶▶ Les Tricoteuses, replying to kenadams, 2, #1251 of 1899 🔗

Excellent, no rational and moral person could disagree. Unfortunately I believe this govt to be beyond logic and reason, merely following naked self interest. If they believed they were about to fall from power we’d see change pretty damn quick.

306921 ▶▶ Luckyharry69, replying to kenadams, 11, #1252 of 1899 🔗

Dont appeal to their ‘human’ side…its a waste of time.We have to scare them the same way they are trying to spread fear in society.I have written to my MP telling her to RESIGN…and Johnson too.They are acting ILLEGALLY…and should be fearful of the consequences……..

307019 ▶▶▶ ConstantBees, replying to Luckyharry69, 4, #1253 of 1899 🔗

Tobias Ellwood is my MP. I took great pleasure in writing to him today after his “working” Christmas meal with 27 people.

306925 ▶▶ Dan Clarke, replying to kenadams, 1, #1254 of 1899 🔗

My MP has voted against the government every time he’s also kicked up about the numbers in hospitals and been checking it out for himself, but still accepting the tiers, 2 in this case.

307029 ▶▶▶ Ms Stroppster, replying to Dan Clarke, #1255 of 1899 🔗

Where are you? I’m in Cheshire and my MP (Derek Twigg) has also voted against the government, much to my surprise.

306941 ▶▶ Chris John, replying to kenadams, 1, #1256 of 1899 🔗

Splinters in bum much? Well reasoned missive, and you can bet that it will be ignored or you’ll get a copy paste response. Blah blah deadly virus blah blah masks good.

Hanging is too good for that load of wastrels scoundrels and ne’er dowels

306976 ▶▶ Voz 0db, replying to kenadams, #1257 of 1899 🔗

ALL the scoundrels in office, either in your plantation or in mine, don’t give a fuck about e-mails, letters and so on.

They only understand one language!

307007 ▶▶ nottingham69, replying to kenadams, 3, #1258 of 1899 🔗

Great post but one extra point, in schools teachers are taking a weekly PCR test, which is another aspect geared to disruption in schools. Of course the Unions goal this year is again no exams. The winter term will be a complete mess, in peak flu season.

307022 ▶▶▶ kenadams, replying to nottingham69, #1259 of 1899 🔗

There was an episode of The West Wing where it was made clear that the Democrats only care about the teachers, not the children, because the unions fund the Democrats. I’m pretty sure it’s the same for Labour. Not sure why the Conservatives care, though, other than that it helps the overall Covid narrative.

306893 Binra, replying to Binra, 3, #1260 of 1899 🔗


Claims of a “95% success rate” refer to the fact that far fewer patients in the vaccinated group – just eight, out of 21,720 – went on to test positive for Covid, compared with 162 out of 21,728 given a placebo injection, a simple saline solution . This outcome says nothing about the vaccine’s ability to save lives, nor to prevent infection.//

Is the highlighted text above a fact? – Anyone?
I thought a meningitis vaccine was the Pfizer trial ‘placebo’.
I have never heard of a genuine placebo used in a vaccine trial.

306905 ▶▶ TheBigman, replying to Binra, #1261 of 1899 🔗

Need to find the original trial documents

306911 ▶▶ Norman, replying to Binra, 2, #1262 of 1899 🔗

I believe that in the USA legal action forced Pfizer to change to a saline solution placebo. In Europe they went on using another vaccine as placebo.

Never forget that normal vaccines go through much more testing on volunteers before being given to the public. Even MD in Private Eye has forgotten to mention this.

306930 ▶▶▶ maggie may, replying to Norman, 4, #1263 of 1899 🔗

Pfizer’s submission to the US FDA talks about their vaccine as an ‘investigational vaccine’ presumably based on the fact that they are still investigating it’s effects. Massive clinical trial on the UK population, it seems

306924 ▶▶ Enjoyeverysandwich, replying to Binra, 5, #1264 of 1899 🔗

UK Column on Monday dissected this calculation (22.12)


Essentially the 95% is the Relative Risk between the placebo and vaccinated groups only

The Absolute Overall risk is actually 0.8%

36,620 in study. 18310 in each group (1:1).

8 Covid (?..PCR?) “cases in the vaccine group and 162 covid/”cases” in the placebo group.

Relative Risk :

8/18310 = 0.00044
162/18310 = 0.00885
100 x (1-0.049) =95%

Absolute Risk Reduction:

8/18310 = 0.00044
162/18310 = 0.00885
100 x 0.0084=0.8%

306947 ▶▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to Enjoyeverysandwich, #1265 of 1899 🔗

I feel safe now. OK to drop the mask age?

306926 ▶▶ maggie may, replying to Binra, 2, #1266 of 1899 🔗

Meningitis vaccine is being used in the Astra Zeneca trials. See the two Andrew Green articles in Conservative Woman, there’s masses of good stuff in there.

307694 ▶▶▶ richard riewer, replying to maggie may, #1267 of 1899 🔗

Have you listened to the Laura Perrins interviews on The Delingpod?

306945 ▶▶ Voz 0db, replying to Binra, #1268 of 1899 🔗

“The placebo is 0.9% sodium chloride (normalsaline) injection, which meets the criteria of the United States Pharmacopeia (USP).”

page 12 of the doc !

306902 TheBigman, replying to TheBigman, 15, #1269 of 1899 🔗

Hopefully this comment will make it and not be deleted like yesterday’s comment without warning. I thought this was a free speech advocate running the website.

As for not being able to deny people entry for not having a vaccine is a small victory, however, we need more pressure to make sure it can never happen along with things like lockdowns again.

Also, if this is. Given to pubs etc then why not air travel? I wonder if countries will drop any vaccine requirements for to enter for holiday. You will notice its only the airlines saying this so far, judging reactions to the news.

I recommend everyone here boycott these airlines. Free market capitalism could see new airlines without these silly totalitarian requirements. Imagine if a country, say Greece, wanted to boost tourism and said that c19 vaccination wasn’t a prerequisite to go there surely then airlines would adhere to that no, or lose business.

306932 ▶▶ Voz 0db, replying to TheBigman, 9, #1270 of 1899 🔗

As always the solution to this is very simple… USE “YOUR” MONEY WISELY!

If they demand a COVIDIUS jab proof for travel… don’t travel.

306933 ▶▶ John P, replying to TheBigman, 9, #1271 of 1899 🔗

“Hopefully this comment will make it and not be deleted like yesterday’s comment without warning. I thought this was a free speech advocate running the website.”

You’re talking shit. Toby Young does not delete comments. Only porn merchants get deleted.

I’ve posted for many months and have never been censored. And – as you can see – I’m not always polite.

307025 ▶▶ Apache, replying to TheBigman, 1, #1272 of 1899 🔗

That ties up with my views. If a country requires a vaccination as condition of entry I will consider complying or not travelling. If any business requires a vaccination before they will do business with me then I will take my business elsewhere.

306927 cloud6, 3, #1273 of 1899 🔗

Yo, att ancock, we in ere Cornall ar non t pleas wit you tier sys, lockd 1, 2, and t3 sau a mass exdos from th big cit’s to our wondf count. Clos on 1M escap to the hil’s fr Londn, us in Cornall had mny of thes.

306936 alw, replying to alw, 8, #1274 of 1899 🔗

I have just received this vaccination info from the NHS. I cannot block but have hidden alerts from them. They can go and shove their vaccine.

307127 ▶▶ Jo Dominich -, replying to alw, 2, #1275 of 1899 🔗

GPs surgeries are open? News to me!

306937 BuildVaccineTrust, 4, #1276 of 1899 🔗

I keep trying to email this site about an issue but never hear back: perhaps others might try to echo this concern to get the site to post about it. There is a vaccine risk Pfizer and the FDA acknowledge: but no one is hearing about it, essentially they are being experimented on without their consent. Most would take the risk: but its egregiously unethical not to tell them.

The FDA’s initial review of the Pfizer and BiNTech vaccine (and it repeats this in its emergency use authorization for it):
says its makers “identified vaccine-associated enhanced disease including vaccine-associated enhanced respiratory disease as an important potential risk.” and the FDA adds “risk of vaccine-enhanced disease over time, potentially associated with waning immunity, remains unknown and needs to be evaluated further in ongoing clinical trials and in observational studies”. Unfortunately the short testing period wasn’t long enough to assess the risk.

Yet this information isn’t in the patient information for the vaccine from the FDA, nor the UK’s NHS, nor Canada’s patient information. An article in the International Journal of Clinical Practice recently regarding:
“Informed consent disclosure to vaccine trial subjects of risk of COVID‐19 vaccines worsening clinical disease”
says the vaccine trial participants were not fully informed about the risks in the way medical ethics would dictate. Yet those taking the vaccine now aren’t being informed at all about the risk of vaccine enhanced disease, nor is the media telling them, let alone being “fully informed” in a way they understand. .

Millions of people are lining up to get Pfizer’s COVID-19 shot without being told the FDA sees a risk they will get a more severe case of COVID-19 after the initial protection fades. Testing hasn’t lasted long enough to find out. If the public isn’t warned about *all* risks now, they may not trust vaccines even if full testing demonstrates them to be safe.

The non-partisan US government’s Congressional Research Service explained: “experts are concerned about the potential for vaccine enhanced disease, in which vaccination could worsen the health effects of COVID-19 infections […]. Animal studies of other coronavirus vaccines have found some potential for vaccine enhanced disease”

A medical journal says after the dengue vaccine’s initial effect faded “vaccinated children in the 2–5 year age group, were found to be nearly 8 times likely to be hospitalized for severe dengue, compared to children in the placebo group”.

Media in countries hit hard by COVID-19 haven’t called attention to the issue to date. In contrast a Japanese paper quoted the director of the Japanese Society of Clinical Virology: “Concerns over ADE still remain. I am an elderly person myself, but if I were asked, I would say I don’t want to get a shot.” Elsewhere he explained: “In the past, a dengue vaccine proved effective in tests and was widely used, but then it worsened symptoms for people who were still getting infected.”. A leading professor of Immunology testified to Japan’s House of Representatives: “There’s no doubt that their effectiveness is quite high, but their safety is not guaranteed at all”.

Hopefully continued testing will discover COVID-19 vaccines are safe over the long run, but they don’t understand COVID-19 well enough to predict that. More info and the source links for all of the items mentioned are at BuildVaccineTrust.com

306938 Dan Clarke, replying to Dan Clarke, 1, #1277 of 1899 🔗

Anyone know what the end game is, only supposition so far

306968 ▶▶ PatrickF, replying to Dan Clarke, 6, #1278 of 1899 🔗

IMO we are in this cycle of lockdown, loosening restrictions, for another two years. We will never get back to the normality of pre ist lockdown; socially, economically and culturally.
Before Johnson knows it he is facing a GE, but what opposition? Another quasi Marxist Labour leader. What a choice!

306997 ▶▶▶ John P, replying to PatrickF, 5, #1279 of 1899 🔗

The Coronavirus Act was for two years. I don’t expect this shitshow to end any sooner than that.

307001 ▶▶▶ Dan Clarke, replying to PatrickF, 3, #1280 of 1899 🔗

think there’ll be other parties pushing it before then

307698 ▶▶▶ richard riewer, replying to PatrickF, #1281 of 1899 🔗

Forget Starmer, target Boris and his minions.

306996 ▶▶ John P, replying to Dan Clarke, 1, #1282 of 1899 🔗

Yup. “Defeating” this virus.

307088 ▶▶ dommo, replying to Dan Clarke, -1, #1283 of 1899 🔗

when the ccp plan to overthrow the usa is revealed (not long now) and the world turns as one to confront them

307131 ▶▶ Ben, replying to Dan Clarke, 1, #1284 of 1899 🔗

I think the Government wants to kill a load of us off (on behalf of the Covid Cabal who are running this global operation) and enslave the rest with tech and vaccines

307229 ▶▶ Cranmer, replying to Dan Clarke, #1285 of 1899 🔗

In UK terms, the entry-level theories are that it’s to prevent a collapse of the NHS due to the high numbers of NHS staff off ‘shielding’ and what have you, and/or a convenient distraction from Brexit (either because it’s going to be betrayed, or because it’s going to be a disaster – depends on your view).

But it can’t just be that because this is a global phenomenon. Because of that I can only conclude there are global agencies involved – most likely UN, WHO, WEF, World Bank and all the various Davos type international finance types. Worst case scenario (in my view) is that it’s a cover for some sort of global financial reset and clampdown on personal freedoms to facilitate that.

I don’t personally subscribe to the genocide/depopulation theories as I think this could have been achieved more easily in other ways.

306959 godowneasy, replying to godowneasy, 4, #1286 of 1899 🔗

Irish nuttery bears more fruit – today’s excellent advice advice from the Health Service Executive. No idea what they are on about. Anyone able to decode this deserves a prize.

Only meet people indoors that you trust with your life’: Stark warning from HSE ahead of Christmas https://www.thejournal.ie/hse-christmas-advice-5303687-Dec2020/

306983 ▶▶ Hieronimusb, replying to godowneasy, 4, #1287 of 1899 🔗

More Horlicks than Cadburys?

306993 ▶▶ mjr, replying to godowneasy, 4, #1288 of 1899 🔗

to think that they allow someone with such an inability to write grammatical English loose in the real world.

306998 ▶▶ Liam, replying to godowneasy, 5, #1289 of 1899 🔗

Completely illiterate.

307120 ▶▶ Jo Dominich -, replying to godowneasy, 3, #1290 of 1899 🔗

My Goodness, you’re better off spending Christmas in Prison I think! You could mix with who you like and at least there would be some festive cheer!! Who on earth writes this garbage. The lunatics really have taken over the asylum. I am appalled at the lack of critical thought and analysis in any of this but this poster is ridiculous. It made me laugh actually. I’m going to print this and keep it just as a memento of how sill, ridiculous, delusional and mental those in charge really and what a silly season they are throwing us into all for a respiratory virus with less lethality than the flu.

307126 ▶▶ Ben, replying to godowneasy, 4, #1291 of 1899 🔗

What’s the point of being healthy if we can’t live our lives?

This is fascism – common or garden fascism

307157 ▶▶ Noumenon, replying to godowneasy, 2, #1292 of 1899 🔗

“Only meet people you trust to with your life indoors” wtf does that mean? It’s not even English.

So don’t meet Ted Bundy indoors? Don’t meet people who have a tendency towards premeditated murder indoors?

307168 ▶▶▶ A. Contrarian, replying to Noumenon, #1293 of 1899 🔗

Doesn’t even make sense on any level – if we’re supposed to spread it without knowing we’ve got it, then how is anyone supposed to know?

307218 ▶▶▶ Cranmer, replying to Noumenon, 1, #1294 of 1899 🔗

Quite frankly I’d feel safer having Christmas at Dennis Nilsen’s flat than spending it with any of that lot in government.

307502 ▶▶▶▶ Jo Dominich -, replying to Cranmer, #1295 of 1899 🔗

IN the circumstances Ted bundy would ne great company!

307200 ▶▶ annie, replying to godowneasy, #1296 of 1899 🔗

Yes, you trust them with your life and that means you won’t catch their cold.

306963 CovidiousAlbion, replying to CovidiousAlbion, 15, #1297 of 1899 🔗

“When our turn comes and our GP gets in touch, we all have a duty to heed that call. It is how we will be able to protect ourselves and the people around us” and, “There is really no excuse for someone not to take it when their turn comes.” – Nadhim Zahawi, Parliamentary Under-Secretary of State for COVID-19 Vaccine Deployment, 14 December 2020 (debate in parliament).

It certainly doesn’t appear to me that our government wants individuals appraising their respective personal risks from the virus and from the Pfizer-BioNTech genetically-engineered biological agent.

306967 ▶▶ mattghg, replying to CovidiousAlbion, 12, #1298 of 1899 🔗


306984 ▶▶ Leemc23, replying to CovidiousAlbion, 5, #1299 of 1899 🔗

No coercion there at all is there ?

307000 ▶▶ John P, replying to CovidiousAlbion, 5, #1300 of 1899 🔗

“When our turn comes and our GP gets in touch”

silence is golden

307052 ▶▶▶ anon, replying to John P, 1, #1301 of 1899 🔗

why not go the whole hog and ditch the gp?

most of them are useless

307027 ▶▶ Sue, replying to CovidiousAlbion, 7, #1302 of 1899 🔗

i’ve done my risk assessment – there’s a long answer and short answer, but both have the same result No, Non, Niet, Nien …

307109 ▶▶ Jo Dominich -, replying to CovidiousAlbion, 3, #1303 of 1899 🔗

There are plenty of excuses the major one being they are unlicensed, not tested to even 1% of the proper testing procedure, induce chronic side effects and others. It could lead to death if the allergic reaction is severe enough. Now Zahawi, stop talking crap.

307121 ▶▶ Ben, replying to CovidiousAlbion, 3, #1304 of 1899 🔗

I’d rather die than to become another victim of Pfizer, Bill Gates or Pharma. No!

307158 ▶▶ A. Contrarian, replying to CovidiousAlbion, 6, #1305 of 1899 🔗

A GP actually getting in touch with me would probably cause me to keel over on the spot with a heart attack.

And my mum was a GP, so I know how sh*t the job can be, but even she agrees that GP services are generally poor.

Are we supposed to sit there, tense and excited, for weeks on end, waiting for the much coveted summons? Actually allowed to heave our diseased bodies inside the GP surgery for the first time in months?

Fcuk off the lot of them.

307365 ▶▶ Ben, replying to CovidiousAlbion, #1306 of 1899 🔗

There’s a good excuse – My body.. My choice.. No

306973 Fingerache Philip., replying to Fingerache Philip., 53, #1307 of 1899 🔗

As a committed socialist, I never thought that I would say that I wished that Margaret Thatcher was PM now, can you imagine what her attitude to the hysterical overreaction to the Covid virus would be?

306981 ▶▶ Barney McGrew, replying to Fingerache Philip., 1, #1308 of 1899 🔗

You might be right, but there seems to be no way to predict the way people lose their minds over this. She might do a Rod Liddle or Melanie Phillips.

306988 ▶▶▶ kenadams, replying to Barney McGrew, #1309 of 1899 🔗

Has Rod rejoined sanity land yet?

306999 ▶▶▶▶ Hieronimusb, replying to kenadams, 5, #1310 of 1899 🔗

Well, it’s the time of year for sanity clause.. (apologies to Chico Marx)

307011 ▶▶▶▶▶ l835, replying to Hieronimusb, #1311 of 1899 🔗

There ain’t no sanity clause… (apologies to the Damned)!

307023 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Hieronimusb, replying to l835, 3, #1312 of 1899 🔗

Yeah, they nicked it, Chico in A Night at the Opera 1935.

307076 ▶▶▶▶ RickH, replying to kenadams, #1313 of 1899 🔗

He never joined it.

307038 ▶▶▶ IanE, replying to Barney McGrew, 7, #1314 of 1899 🔗

No – she was a trained scientist (biochemistry?): she would not have been fooled by the vegetables currently ‘advising’ Bozo!

307077 ▶▶▶▶ RickH, replying to IanE, -3, #1315 of 1899 🔗

Don’t be naive – she believed all sorts of magical nonsense.

307074 ▶▶▶ RickH, replying to Barney McGrew, -1, #1316 of 1899 🔗

Indeed. Thatcher believed all sorts of weird magic.

306992 ▶▶ Hieronimusb, replying to Fingerache Philip., #1317 of 1899 🔗

Please don’t wish the Mad Handbag on us again, once was more than enough; I appreciate the sentiment but more megalomania is not the solution!

307035 ▶▶▶ Fingerache Philip., replying to Hieronimusb, #1318 of 1899 🔗

That’s how desperate I am.

307040 ▶▶▶▶ Hieronimusb, replying to Fingerache Philip., #1319 of 1899 🔗

Ok, just don’t go the full Milton Friedman or we’ll have to send the emergency services..

307009 ▶▶ Dan Clarke, replying to Fingerache Philip., 7, #1320 of 1899 🔗

I feel nostalgic for the Thatcher days

307010 ▶▶▶ John P, replying to Dan Clarke, 2, #1321 of 1899 🔗

Yes, things really are that bad !

307082 ▶▶▶ RickH, replying to Dan Clarke, 3, #1322 of 1899 🔗

Look – things are so bad that even the Blair era is preferable.

There’s few eras that rate lower.

307117 ▶▶ Ben, replying to Fingerache Philip., 3, #1323 of 1899 🔗

I doubt it. Every country has been occupied by the Covid Cabal, apart from Belarus, which is being attacked by the West in revenge

306987 alw, replying to alw, 6, #1324 of 1899 🔗

And this from London Transport about Christmas and New Year. Khan’t people in London and elsewhere have other ideas! There will be fireworks as per usual and Shanks pony, Uber and many other sources of transport. No one will be able to stop the people, we have all had enough.

307045 ▶▶ Fingerache Philip., replying to alw, 4, #1325 of 1899 🔗

Hope to God you are right.

307208 ▶▶ annie, replying to alw, #1326 of 1899 🔗

No fireworks, because sparklers carry Corona, as we all know.

306990 DRW, replying to DRW, 19, #1327 of 1899 🔗

I really wish they would cancel Christmas and enforce it hard, a complete Puritanical abolition. December must bring only the entirely deserved excruciating, soul-crushing misery for the masses still bought into this for what their ignorance, gullibility and blind obedience has enabled.

307016 ▶▶ John P, replying to DRW, 6, #1328 of 1899 🔗

“they” cannot “cancel” Christmas.

307063 ▶▶▶ DRW, replying to John P, 2, #1329 of 1899 🔗

It was at least attempted under Cromwell.

307151 ▶▶▶ A. Contrarian, replying to John P, #1330 of 1899 🔗

But they think they can, and that’s what counts.

307046 ▶▶ Liz F, replying to DRW, 8, #1331 of 1899 🔗

Matt Wancock and the medical shitbags have taken all the pleasure out of Christmas anyway. Who wants to invite family round and sit in facemasks, not hugging, and checking your watch every five minutes to make sure you haven’t stayed too long? It’s easier to stay at home and get quietly p*ssed. Merry little Christmas? Shove it in your turkey, Boris.

307067 ▶▶▶ DRW, replying to Liz F, 3, #1332 of 1899 🔗

I don’t expect anyone will be doing that, they either won’t care or will just have a videocall.

307070 ▶▶▶ RickH, replying to Liz F, 8, #1333 of 1899 🔗

Simply – you have to be a sociopath to make the Whitty utterances.

307085 ▶▶▶ Will, replying to Liz F, 3, #1334 of 1899 🔗

No one wants to and no one who isn’t dead already is going to. Although when granny hasn’t died the narrative will be that we were all so very well behaved… eat, drink, hug and be Merry for tomorrow we won’t die.

307110 ▶▶ Ben, replying to DRW, 1, #1335 of 1899 🔗

The passing of time has the same effect. People realise it’s a con the longer it goes on

307154 ▶▶▶ DRW, replying to Ben, 3, #1336 of 1899 🔗

It’s how long it has to go on for before they realise it though.

307210 ▶▶ annie, replying to DRW, 3, #1337 of 1899 🔗

Zombies enjoy misery, and they have no souls to crush.
I want my Christmas, thank you very much.

307003 kh1485, replying to kh1485, 62, #1338 of 1899 🔗

Just seen a great riposte to the government from a friend of a LS friend:

Dear Government

When you pay my bills you can tell me how many people I can have in my house. Until then, Merry Christmas and Fuck Off.

307013 ▶▶ John P, replying to kh1485, 10, #1339 of 1899 🔗

And not even then IMO.

307044 ▶▶ Fingerache Philip., replying to kh1485, 4, #1340 of 1899 🔗

Yes,We thought that an Englishman’s home was his castle.

307148 ▶▶ A. Contrarian, replying to kh1485, 3, #1341 of 1899 🔗

Yes I’ve seen similar – if the govt pay my rent/mortage and cough up for maintenance and repairs, then they can take ownership.

307005 ianric, replying to ianric, 16, #1342 of 1899 🔗

These are questions I put on a pro lockdown youtube channel. I apologise for the length and I will split my post in two

1) One of the fundamental legal protections is that laws have thresholds and criteria. For instance, to be charged with speeding you have to go over the speed limit on the road you are driving and the speed limit will vary from road.

A major issue I have with lockdowns is that governments can use a disease to introduce draconian laws and there is no threshold or criteria what characteristics a disease must posses eg fatality rate, infectiousness, how the disease is spread, severity of symptoms etc. Do you think this is acceptable? What happens if lockdowns were introduced and you felt the characteristics of a disease didn’t justify this? How would you feel if laws had no thresholds or criteria in other areas? For instance, using my example of speed limits. How would you feel if speeding was an offence but there was no speed and you could be charged with speeding driving at any speed?

2) To justify measures such as lockdowns, there must be clear evidence of a problem which justifies this. Imagine there are endless stories in the media, the internet and from the government about microwaves catching fire. The government passes a law banning the use of microwaves as they are a fire risk but nobody knows anyone with a microwave that has caught fire and the fire brigade have no records of fires caused by faulty microwaves. Would you feel it would be acceptable to ban microwaves if there was no visible evidence of an issue with microwaves catching fire?

We are constantly being bombarded with the message by the media, the internet and governments we are in the middle of a deadly pandemic and all kinds of draconian laws have been introduced. In a real pandemic you would notice it without being told by external sources. If are in the middle of a deadly pandemic, why do we see no evidence of this. We don’t see people dying in droves, large numbers falling ill and if you ask anyone they will likely say they don’t know anyone with covid. In youtube comments, there is a large body of opinion which thinks the notion we are in a pandemic is bullshit. Everyone around me is perfectly healthy. If it wasn’t for hysteria generated by the media, internet and governments we wouldn’t notice we were in a pandemic. How can lockdowns be justified when there is no physical evidence we are in a pandemic and the pandemic only exists on TV, newspapers, the internet and not in the real world?

4) If we are in a deadly pandemic, how do you explain what has happened in businesses which have worked throughout lockdowns. Supermarkets have stayed open throughout lockdowns and millions must have visited supermarkets. To the best of my knowledge not a single customer or supermarket worker has fallen ill in all this time. The police have worked throughout lockdown and deal with the public constantly. You would think they would be particularly vulnerable. Despite this police officers have not been dropping like flies. We have had large crowd gatherings eg anti lockdown protests. How is that nobody from these rallies have fallen ill if we were really are in a pandemic.

Can any lockdown zealots answer the questions in this video

13 Questions for the Lockdown Zealots | Steve Deace Show – YouTube

307061 ▶▶ RickH, replying to ianric, 2, #1343 of 1899 🔗

What shockingly subversive questions

307064 ▶▶ ianric, replying to ianric, 1, #1344 of 1899 🔗

5) If you support lockdown have you lost your livelihood or has your livelihood been threated. If your job is unaffected by lockdown, is this you are willing to support lockdown? Would you be enthusiastic about lockdown if you lost your livelihood due to lockdown?

6) Do you have any sympathy for people who have lost jobs and businesses through lockdowns or you don’t care as long as your livelihood is safe?

7) Lets imagine the government passes a law making it compulsory for all private car owners to hand their cars in for servicing on the basis cars have dangerous faults. If these faults are not repaired, we are told large numbers of vehicles will crash, people will die or be seriously injured and our emergency services will not cope. Not having access to cars create massive problems. People can’t get carry out activities such as shopping, going to work, seeing family and friends. The economy suffers tremendously. Organisations suffer as their workers can’t get to work. Businesses suffer as people can’t travel to visit pubs, restaurants, cinemas etc. Oil companies suffer as there is a big drop in demand for petrol. The tourist industry suffers as people can’t travel around. Businesses such as motorway service stations which depend on motorists suffer.  Public transport is overwhelmed by the massive increase in demand.

Cars spend months in garages. When people are finally allowed to use their cars again, there are restrictions on their use. They can’t go above a certain speed, they can’t driver after a certain time, can’t drive on certain days, there are limits how many can travel in car as cars are still not 100% safe to drive according to the government. When cars are tested after returning from garages, they are supposedly found to have faults and we are given daily figures how many cars are faulty. In some parts of the countries it is yet again made illegal to drive cars and the cars must go back to be serviced for long periods. Restrictions on car use are likely to be in place indefinitely. In this scenario, the question would be raised if the measures imposed by the government in dealing with the issue of faulty cars are so effective why has the problem not been resolved and restrictions are still in place.

The above scenario is similar to what is happening with restrictions imposed since March. If draconian lockdowns and all the measures imposed on us since March have been so effective, why are supposed cases still raising and restrictions still in place or being re-introduced with no sign these restrictions will ever be lifted?

307075 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to ianric, 1, #1345 of 1899 🔗

Masks is the answer to each question. Next.

307084 ▶▶ dommo, replying to ianric, #1346 of 1899 🔗

a pro-lockdown you tube channel??? wtf!!!

307230 ▶▶ Francis, replying to ianric, 1, #1347 of 1899 🔗

The point about the police in (4) is really important.

In the early days of lockdown I had a number of robust conversations with our local (Met) police who were aggressively patrolling in fours or fives far closer than 2 metres and giving the ‘miscreants’ they stopped (such as a couple suspected of not buying essentials) no opportunity to ask them to back off.

When I challenged this I was told there was no point in them socially distancing because they all worked together and travelled in the same vehicles. The idea of setting an example or not putting members of the public at risk (on the basis of the standards they were supposed to be upholding) never seemed to have occurred to them.

I thought then and still do that this was an essential cohort to be monitored/researched, given their comprehensive failure to stick by rules that were supposed save lives (both theirs and others). I am totally unsurprised that it wasn’t.

307014 Tim Bidie, replying to Tim Bidie, 4, #1348 of 1899 🔗

A deadly virus…….but, somehow, a discriminatory one………?

‘In England, the year-to-date (March to November 2020) mortality rate for deaths due to COVID-19 in the most deprived areas was 252.0 deaths per 100,000 people, this was nearly three times the mortality rate in the least deprived areas (89.7 deaths per 100,000 people).’


Is it just me, or does that not seem a little weird for a ‘highly contagious’ virus, shouts nosocomial?

307051 ▶▶ Hieronimusb, replying to Tim Bidie, 2, #1349 of 1899 🔗


307083 ▶▶▶ dommo, replying to Hieronimusb, #1350 of 1899 🔗


307058 ▶▶ RickH, replying to Tim Bidie, 1, #1351 of 1899 🔗

It’s just our old enemy – irrelevant testing larded on top of pre-existing health differentials.

307024 Fingerache Philip., replying to Fingerache Philip., 7, #1352 of 1899 🔗

Am I right in thinking that 4 positive tests were found down the back of a Sofa in Rhyl?

307048 ▶▶ Hieronimusb, replying to Fingerache Philip., 4, #1353 of 1899 🔗

Apparently they got there when the cat brought up a hair ball. When asked why he’d swallowed them in the first place the cat said said he prefurred not to answer. Duckfart is considering a lockdown until 2025..

307078 ▶▶ Will, replying to Fingerache Philip., 3, #1354 of 1899 🔗

And on the day a new lockdown is announced. Uncanny.

307031 Barney McGrew, replying to Barney McGrew, 11, #1355 of 1899 🔗

The logic of protecting the NHS for the greater good of society, using ‘science, medical experiments on the population…

What is the fundamental difference between this and much of the logic and practice of eugenics? Eugenicists can presumably argue that their policies will result in less strain on the health service and greater happiness and prosperity for society as a whole – it’s nothing personal, just science.

I think it’s an interesting question to ask, because I wonder how a pro-lockdown/testing/vaccination person would respond. I know they would throw their hands up in mock horror and go through some sort of performance of condemning the whole idea, but would they be being sincere? I think that the methods and arguments for dealing with Covid overlap with eugenics very strongly and have been lapped up by the public. They have been ‘nudged’ away from their previous moral anchors by Covid.

307056 ▶▶ OKUK, replying to Barney McGrew, 5, #1356 of 1899 🔗

Very good point. Involuntary eugenics used to be very popular in the Left as well as the Far Right. It was practised much in Social Democratic Sweden. Did all that enthusiasm for eugenics simply evaporate or was it driven underground, only to emerge in full flood, with mad vaccine project?

307086 ▶▶▶ Barney McGrew, replying to OKUK, 3, #1357 of 1899 🔗

I think it would be interesting to ask: What are the scientific reasons for not instituting a eugenics policy? Clearly, there aren’t any. The only arguments are moral.

Anyone who argues against eugenics on moral grounds would also be arguing against the Covid policy it seems to me.

‘Following the science’ and ignoring the moral arguments takes you into some pretty murky waters – and there are well-documented historical precedents for it.

307115 ▶▶▶ RickH, replying to OKUK, -4, #1358 of 1899 🔗

Don’t go down the road of the Oomagooli bird (which disappeared up its own arsehole).

Eugenics as a major issue (rather than a fringe pursuit) really isn’t the point in this shit-show.

307217 ▶▶▶▶ Barney McGrew, replying to RickH, 1, #1359 of 1899 🔗

I invoke the slippery slope argument…

307094 ▶▶ Jo Dominich -, replying to Barney McGrew, 7, #1360 of 1899 🔗

Interesting question. However, there is only a fine line between providing medical care to all and eugenics, ie. select who gets it which are those, a la Bentham principle, who will most benefit from it. I’m think there already is a covert eugenics in place that is bypassing the Courts (who have resisted strongly over the years to assisted suicides for obvious reasons. Firstly, the DNR Notices that are being issued by the NHS to vulnerable older people and have been doing so for some years now. This means they are not eligible for hospital admission or treatment. So, off with their heads. Secondly, I know it is not looked at in this way but, since all diagnostic services and life saving treatments have been cancelled, the 200,000-350,000 people that the ONS predict will die as a result of a lack of diagnosis of serious illness, lack of life saving surgery, lack of urgent treatment is just eugenics by any other name. In other words, if you are not fit and require urgent or extensive medical treatment you are not necessarily entitled to it, a Manager in the NHS will make that decision. All these deaths are treatable, people can live long lives after treatment and are entirely avoidable. It’s just another rationalisation of NHS resources whilst they continue to waste billions of pounds of public money, secure urgent treatment for themselves and their family and don’t give a damn about the general public. It is an entirely failing, inward looking organisation whose main priority is looking after itself and it’s least priority is delivering quality patient care which it was set up to do.

They should and can take urgent action to move these patients on an ultra fast track basis but, hey, so many Consultants prioritise private work to line their own pockets over NHS work (whilst still on full pay) they have no motivation to do so. Sir Simon Stevens won’t do anything to force them to so close to half a million people will probably die over the next five years of these issues which nobody is addressing. This is a form of eugenics.

307219 ▶▶ annie, replying to Barney McGrew, 3, #1361 of 1899 🔗

Zombies have no morals. You can’t have morals if you have no heart and no soul and you are brain dead.

307253 ▶▶ Iansn, replying to Barney McGrew, 1, #1362 of 1899 🔗

Fuck all the NHS executives, they are the worst bunch of managerialists in this country. They are probably mainly people who werent quite clever enough to make it as a lawyer or doctor or whatever, so slithered into this world through contacts, contacts who knew they were rubbish but would keep quiet and slowly climb the slippery pole, then they would repeat it with the next intake of wannabe nearly wankers.I spent 4 years in the NHS 5 years ago, we used to get called in tbe the admin if he spotted us coming over from the pub in the afternoon for a warning when he was just getting out of his car after driving back from the managers pub. The waste and inefficiencies back then were huge, now I think you just multiply it by 100.

307489 ▶▶▶ Jo Dominich -, replying to Iansn, #1363 of 1899 🔗

Yes and incompetence breeds incompetence so promotion is from within only so shit continues to rise to the top and there is no external challenge to the NHS by thfe influx of competent externally appointed new staff. Barnardos Action For children and other charities operate a similar system.

307034 NickR, replying to NickR, 13, #1364 of 1899 🔗

UK Hospitalisations . The BBC would have you believe that hospitals the length and breadth of the country are being swamped but as usual, the Governments own data doesn’t support this.

307049 ▶▶ RickH, replying to NickR, 5, #1366 of 1899 🔗

Thanks for that, Nick.

… not that facts will make any difference.

307141 ▶▶ A. Contrarian, replying to NickR, 8, #1367 of 1899 🔗

It’s not so much that they want you to believe that they are being swamped . more that they want you to believe that they are constantly just about to be swamped unless we do x, y or z. Since it’s always in the future, there is no way to disprove their case.

307277 ▶▶▶ matt, replying to A. Contrarian, 1, #1368 of 1899 🔗

Yes, this.
We need to lock down, because hospitals will be overwhelmed.
Why did we lock down? Hospitals weren’t anywhere near being overwhelmed?
That’s because we locked down.

307243 ▶▶ Leemc23, replying to NickR, 2, #1369 of 1899 🔗

It’s not being swamped. It’s about to be swamped. They had some head on the radio earlier crying about how social distancing means their capacity has been reduced by 11,000 beds. And they are now full.

Well, frankly who’s fucking fault is that ? It’s not mine. It’s someone’s job to think this through. And what pray tell are the nurses doing who would ordinarily be looking after these beds. Oh yes, they are on their knees…..

307542 ▶▶ swedenborg, replying to NickR, #1370 of 1899 🔗


Rather alarming report today if this data is correct

NHS England – Reviewing the data form the latest Covid Publication issued on 12th December we discover the story that the Government Dashboard does not report.

75% of Covid admissions were post Admission Infections, Asymptomatic cases, in hospital Infections & were planned.
What does the data show: 1st August to 1st December

From the data it is clear that 56,000 cases reported as Admissions for Covid were patients that had already been admitted.

We also can estimate that 9,500 or so of these 56,000 were Asymptomatic Cases.
This means only 17,432 patients admitted since August 1st were unplanned pressures on the NHS, or 4.3K per month or 123 Covid Patients a day spread across all NHS England Hospitals over a four month average.

Hardly a surge or a crisis!

307055 ▶▶ Luckyharry69, replying to dommo, #1372 of 1899 🔗


307379 ▶▶ The Mask Exempt Covid Marshall, replying to dommo, #1373 of 1899 🔗

Mexico is an increasingly attractive possibility for my next holiday…

307068 ▶▶ Barney McGrew, replying to dommo, -1, #1375 of 1899 🔗

It’s interesting to ask oneself whether there is some situation where I might be equally cold-hearted and enforce some policy to ruin a family’s day/week/year like a mini-stasi or heartless automaton. I guess airlines are the most paranoid organisations on earth. You wouldn’t make a joke about a b*mb on a plane, and as an official you would certainly turn a family away if they didn’t have the right paperwork; and you’d confiscate the wrong size of water bottle or whatever. So I’m guessing that the people who seemingly enforced this may really have had no choice – I’d blame the system and the fellow passengers just as much as the staff. Not because the fellow passengers did anything actively wrong in this instance, but just that I know that 85% of them think that rules is rules and masks must be worn…

307057 Derek Toyne, replying to Derek Toyne, 3, #1376 of 1899 🔗

Hello everyone I’ve been thinking for all their effort to defeat covid the government continues to fail. Why? Tonight I made a discovery or should I say it’s what all us lockdown sceptics have known for a long time,lockdown simply prolongs the pandemic. I believe covid uses a pull/push system or like a car when you put your foot on the gas it accelerates. In covid terms more people get infected rapidly, when we take our foot off the gas or impose a lockdown the car or covid slows down. Now if I was driving a car without brakes sooner or later I would crash so how would I stop/brake an infection like covid and the simple answer is use people’s imunity or a vaccine.
This is the only way allow the virus to spread throughout society while protecting the most vulnerable otherwise society is heading for an almighty crash. Think about it!

307069 ▶▶ Will, replying to Derek Toyne, 14, #1377 of 1899 🔗

The lockdown has caused more covid deaths because more people have been exposed to the virus when their immune systems are weaker in the autumn/ winter months.

307073 ▶▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to Will, 9, #1378 of 1899 🔗

Exactly. As Carl Henegen was insisting in May.

307376 ▶▶▶ Derek Toyne, replying to Will, #1379 of 1899 🔗

I agree that lockdown as prolonged the pandemic so instead of 6 months to bring things back to normal it will be a year or more. This will take us into winter when people’s immunity is low and more deaths.

307079 ▶▶ DRW, replying to Derek Toyne, 11, #1380 of 1899 🔗

Let’s not forget LD was originally sold as a delay before it morphed into eradicate.

307106 ▶▶▶ Ben, replying to DRW, 7, #1381 of 1899 🔗

They know a virus can’t be eradicated, that’s why they’re using that ploy to control us indefinitely. Simpleton sheeple might believe that nature can be controlled

307108 ▶▶▶▶ DRW, replying to Ben, 8, #1382 of 1899 🔗

We are always at War with Covid…

307475 ▶▶▶▶▶ Jo Dominich -, replying to DRW, #1383 of 1899 🔗

Ignorance is truth….

307097 ▶▶ RickH, replying to Derek Toyne, 9, #1384 of 1899 🔗

Derek – you are leaving out the fact that a lot of what is publicized is pure fiction.

There was a viral event in April. Now – nothing significant is happening – it’s mythology.

307203 ▶▶▶ Cranmer, replying to RickH, 3, #1385 of 1899 🔗

Yes. The government could now invent a pandemic literally out of thin air, by telling people that breathing fresh air was bad for them. Most would believe it and stay indoors, permanently.

307099 ▶▶ Ben, replying to Derek Toyne, 6, #1386 of 1899 🔗

They don’t want to defeat Covid

307221 ▶▶ OKUK, replying to Derek Toyne, 1, #1387 of 1899 🔗

There is another point. Lockdowns are not very effective. Rates went up in Wales didn’t they? During lockdowns people are forced to stay indoors in close proximity where they are more likely to get a high viral load if they do get an infection (remember some 11 million people continued to work during the first lockdown, so infections were still being brought into hiudeholds).

I think a far superior strategy is the GBD approach. Let people circulate pretty freely. They will pick up the virus in small loads, most likely on the air in shops. Encourage hand washing to reduce the risk of picking up large viral loads. Meanwhile encourage the 3lderly and tye vulnerable to practise shielding regimes until herd immunity is achieved.

307514 ▶▶▶ Derek Toyne, replying to OKUK, #1388 of 1899 🔗

I am trying to theories how lockdown works,why it failed and why a better strategy such as GBD should have been tried. First if we say people mixing leads to the rapid spread of infections, this would be the accelerator of a car.
Now if we lockdown,people mix less and the spread of infections decrease. This would be like me taking my foot off the accelerator, the car gradually comes to a halt. Now if you’ve ever watched any of Ivor Cummins stuff you’ll hear him mention Michael Levitt. He noticed at the beginning of the pandemic that the infection rate was decreasing while it was spreading. In other words there’s two force’s at work like the accelerator and brake of a car.
The brake is people’s immunity, this comes from prior immunity to covid and immunity acquired from being infected from covid or vaccinated against covid. Now 20% of the population due to age and impaired immunity can’t develop immunity to covid needing help from a vaccine.
Now I know the idea of spreading an infection to acquire immunity to the infection is hard for people to get your head around. It’s counterintuitive but that’s science a far better way of you protect the vulnerable.

307059 Sarigan, replying to Sarigan, 6, #1389 of 1899 🔗

Do They Know It’s Covid Time?


307072 ▶▶ mjr, replying to Sarigan, 2, #1390 of 1899 🔗

brilliant … do you think BBC will show it on top of the pops ?

307092 ▶▶ Barney McGrew, replying to Sarigan, 1, #1391 of 1899 🔗

Brilliant, but there’s just a hint of pro-lockdown at the start…

307192 ▶▶ George Mc, replying to Sarigan, 3, #1392 of 1899 🔗

It’s a bit going-along-with-the-covd-story. I prefer the following version from Ewan Duffy on this website:

“Its Covid time, there’s a need to be afraid
At Covid time, we close the doors and we banish trade
And in this world of cra-a-zy, we can spread a slab of fear
Throw your arm towards the vax at COVID time

And Pfizer says, take this vax for sa-fe-ty
At Covid time, its good, and will save your Granny
We have moved the Overton window
To make a world of dread and tears
Where the only story moving
Is the daily dose of fear
And the COVID test rate re-port-ing
Are the same old lead story
It looks like we’re locked down ‘til 2040

And there won’t be hope in Eu-r-ope this COVID time
The nasty gift they’ll get this year is vaxxed
Where life is not worth living
And fear and hatred grow
Don’t they know its lies and fear at all

Here’s the vax raise your sleeve to get it in
Place that mask of yours in the bloody bin
Don’t they know its lies and fear at all

Vax the world
Vax the world
Vax the world
Don’t they know its lies and fear at…
Vax the world”

307207 ▶▶▶ Janette, replying to George Mc, 1, #1393 of 1899 🔗

Thats excellent George.

307445 ▶▶▶▶ George Mc, replying to Janette, #1394 of 1899 🔗

Thanks but as I said, it’s all Ewan’s work. I’d love to hear it turned into a video as Christmas no. 1. It would have to be sneaked out samizdat style.

307065 Old Bill, 26, #1395 of 1899 🔗

Holding on to freedom is a little like holding on to water. You can cup your hands, dip into a pool or stream and lift out a refreshing draught. But let your fingers relax for just a moment and the water will be gone. With water your only enemy is gravity, but with freedom your enemy is thievery.

There are many powerful people who will try and prise your fingers apart to compel that refreshing draught to leak away. The natural question is to ask why they crave that, sadly I am not equipped to answer, as the force of power over others has never been a motivating one in my life, but for some it is seemingly such an overwhelming force that, not only will they prise your fingers apart, if you attempt to dip them back into the pool or stream they will cut them off.

We have let slip that draught of freedom now, and we are told the water is poisoned, we are forbidden to drink of it again.

It will take much effort and courage to sup from this stream again.

307080 PeeDubbya, replying to PeeDubbya, 3, #1396 of 1899 🔗

With the 1000’s of tests being conducted daily, does anyone know if someone who has tested ‘positive’ can return to the testing centre multiple times, thus compounding the fearmongering figures that are presented to the sheeple?

I don’t personally know anyone who has been to one of these test centres, I just can’t fathom where they are finding these herds of people to test every day to inflate the fear

307139 ▶▶ A. Contrarian, replying to PeeDubbya, 1, #1397 of 1899 🔗

If they did, wouldn’t they be breaking isolation rules?

307232 ▶▶ Leemc23, replying to PeeDubbya, 1, #1398 of 1899 🔗

It’s all a numbers game. Consider this, There is at least 67,000,000 people in the UK.

So the actual % number of people being tested is reasonably small. There is always a variance between the actual number done each day and the lag from other days.

Each and everyday the vast majority of people do not have Covid. I’m not sure that it’s as high as 5% positive if you allow for the false readings.

307081 zacaway, replying to zacaway, 3, #1399 of 1899 🔗

If you need some light relief, here’s a great mash-up of Boris Briefings:


307132 ▶▶ dhid, replying to zacaway, #1400 of 1899 🔗

The poor sod had to watch over 15 hours of Boris to make that – but the result was worth it. LOL!

307087 alw, replying to alw, 20, #1401 of 1899 🔗

This from Rishi. Why extend the furlough then?

“ Chancellor Rishi Sunak told The Spectator that it is not morally right nor sustainable to keep borrowing at current levels.”

307123 ▶▶ jb12, replying to alw, 9, #1402 of 1899 🔗

To keep the sheeple compliant while the economic implosion that is the result of decades of looting by ceetain people occurs around them.

307138 ▶▶ A. Contrarian, replying to alw, 3, #1403 of 1899 🔗

So… why doesn’t he refuse to keep on doing it then?

307181 ▶▶▶ Country Mumkin, replying to A. Contrarian, 9, #1404 of 1899 🔗

So that when it crashes he can say “told you so, but we cared so much about granny, didnt we, that we needed to protect her… for those few extra months. I’m so sorry you are all poverty stricken and ill and have no prospects. Well destitute really. The good thing is you had a few extra months of granny even though we didn’t let you see her”.

307245 ▶▶ Al T, replying to alw, 10, #1405 of 1899 🔗

Sunak was saying a few months ago that we had to stop living in fear and get on with our lives. Such bullshit. Bunch of bloody windsocks without an ounce of resolution between them.

In the same article in ‘The Spectator’ it’s revealed we’ve borrowed more in nine months than Gordon ‘I’ve abolished boom and bust’ Brown managed in nine years as Chancellor. It beggars belief people can’t see the economic catastrophe heading our way and what this will mean for the future of our young people.

I want to crack the infantilised skull of every imbecile that churns the line of ‘saving lives ahead of the economy’. How many lives has and will this utter shitshow cost.

I realise I am blessed with a sceptical wife and friends but I truly despair.

307269 ▶▶▶ jb12, replying to Al T, 4, #1406 of 1899 🔗

You chose your wife and friends well; good choices like that usually precede blessings.

307464 ▶▶ Jo Dominich -, replying to alw, #1407 of 1899 🔗

He also ruled out implementing a one off wealth tax which would have restored billions to the treasury. Once again the poor the vulnerable and the people on benefits will have to pay.

307089 Janice21, replying to Janice21, 5, #1408 of 1899 🔗

Naively shocked…..lockdown here in N Ireland for 6 weeks as of boxing day…..absolute bastards

307096 ▶▶ Ben, replying to Janice21, 7, #1409 of 1899 🔗

The virus is on holiday until Boxing Day.. Clever virus

307107 ▶▶ Will, replying to Janice21, 1, #1410 of 1899 🔗

Are they going to stop the limited crowds at Ravenhill, Janice 21?

307183 ▶▶ George Mc, replying to Janice21, 1, #1411 of 1899 🔗

You realise that when you finally emerge, things will be …different. Perhaps the apes will have taken over? Get ready for your speech:


307241 ▶▶ Iansn, replying to Janice21, 2, #1412 of 1899 🔗

there must be some real shit in the Brexit deal thats caused that. Sorry for you

307090 JohnB, replying to JohnB, #1413 of 1899 🔗


Their ‘Quarantine Age Kicks’ is very good.

307185 ▶▶ Marialta, replying to JohnB, #1414 of 1899 🔗

Thanks for posting this JB it’s genius, so was the original Teenage Kicks – one of my all time favourite songs. We so need this kind of punk energy right now

307104 Hieronimusb, replying to Hieronimusb, 9, #1415 of 1899 🔗

Stop Press: Matt Hancock (sp?) is to take the leading role in a new film entitled Onan the Barbarian. Coming, yes, to a (closed) cinema near you. It’s expected to go viral and contains footage of the most serious premature ejaculation in our entire political history.

307164 ▶▶ Cranmer, replying to Hieronimusb, 2, #1416 of 1899 🔗

Also starring Sir Ian McKellens as the wizard Gandalf, who drives back the evil Covidians with his magic vaccination wand. YOU SHALL NOT PASS!

307198 ▶▶▶ Will, replying to Cranmer, 2, #1417 of 1899 🔗

The most dreadful old ham of them
all has found another sign on which to hang his virtue.

307226 ▶▶▶▶ OKUK, replying to Will, #1418 of 1899 🔗

To be fair “Vicious” in which he starred with Derek Jacobi and Frances De La Tour was surprisingly non PC and hilarious. In fact it could well have been the last new truly non PC comedy to air on any major channel.

307265 ▶▶▶▶▶ Cranmer, replying to OKUK, 1, #1419 of 1899 🔗

Sir Ian was said to be ‘euphoric’ after taking the jab. I hope they didn’t get it mixed up with somebody’s morphine!

307368 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Hieronimusb, replying to Cranmer, 1, #1420 of 1899 🔗

It’s what happens when you poke the woke.

307263 ▶▶▶▶ Cranmer, replying to Will, 2, #1421 of 1899 🔗

As an actor I quite admire him. I try to ignore what actors do and say off stage, particularly if they are talking about their political views, just as I would not be interested in seeing a politician take part in an amateur dramatics performance.

307326 ▶▶▶▶▶ Hieronimusb, replying to Cranmer, 1, #1422 of 1899 🔗

But they do it anyway, more’s the pity.

307171 ▶▶ George Mc, replying to Hieronimusb, 1, #1423 of 1899 🔗

It’s Matt Handy Cock. Well he was to the govt.

307176 ▶▶▶ Hieronimusb, replying to George Mc, 1, #1424 of 1899 🔗

Thank you, I wasn’t sure about that, it’s all so confusing.

307116 Poppy, replying to Poppy, 49, #1425 of 1899 🔗

Had my driving theory test today – I passed, but the experience was deeply unpleasant. Made to feel like a disgusting leper for the entire time despite the fact that I am perfectly outwardly healthy. I was ordered to stay behind a line on the floor and use the most disgusting hand sanitiser imaginable – smelled vile and was incredibly slimy/slow to evaporate. Everyone muzzled up and dehumanised. All the other candidates at the test centre were also late teens/early twenties, the age group who are barely affected by the disease but disproportionately affected by lockdowns and restrictions.

This asymptomatic transmission myth needs to be nipped in the bud because it is upon that BS that the whole rotten house of cards is predicated. There is no substantial evidence that asymptomatic transmission drives epidemics, and why would it? Asymptomatic people have no symptoms, so they’re not coughing or sneezing.

Practical driving test is booked for March. I was expecting a longer delay due to backlog but hey ho. Seriously hope that the govt doesn’t force the DVSA to cancel lessons/tests again like in November and shit up a load of learners again.

307125 ▶▶ Hieronimusb, replying to Poppy, 15, #1426 of 1899 🔗

Congratulations! There’s no substantial evidence that asymptomatic transmission happens at all.

307225 ▶▶▶ Disbelief, replying to Hieronimusb, 2, #1427 of 1899 🔗

Is there any hard proof at all in relation to asymptomatic transmission of the rona?

307692 ▶▶▶▶ Hieronimusb, replying to Disbelief, #1428 of 1899 🔗

There isn’t even any soft proof.

307258 ▶▶▶ matt, replying to Hieronimusb, 4, #1429 of 1899 🔗

Nonsense. There are plenty of papers that show it as the major means of transmission. If you point out that they’re all from a China and that all of the other papers from around the world have found no evidence whatsoever, well that just proves you’re a racist.

307287 ▶▶▶▶ matt, replying to matt, 6, #1430 of 1899 🔗

To be clear (with apologies to those who didn’t catch the sarcasm): there are many papers that try to demonstrate asymptomatic spread is a thing. They all originate in China. All of the the other studies that have looked into the subject have found no evidence at all.

307348 ▶▶▶▶ Hieronimusb, replying to matt, #1431 of 1899 🔗

I’ll wash my mouth out with soap and water.

307136 ▶▶ Will, replying to Poppy, 20, #1432 of 1899 🔗

Bless you Poppy, it boils my blood how your generation are having so much, that those of us, who are older, took for granted, stolen from you.

307144 ▶▶ ColoradoGirl, replying to Poppy, 9, #1433 of 1899 🔗

Good luck on getting your license! You are absolutely right whole asymptomatic scam. This keeps us all imprisoned.

307145 ▶▶ DRW, replying to Poppy, 12, #1434 of 1899 🔗

Always nice to hear from you Poppy, I wish I still had the drive for achieving things. Sadly the asymptomatic myth is a key plank of the great scam.

307167 ▶▶ George Mc, replying to Poppy, 7, #1435 of 1899 🔗

Get ready for a whole new Highway Code to learn with new road signs e.g. “Beware COVID intensity region 5”, “Unmasked crossing”, “Hand sanitizer spillage” etc.

307209 ▶▶ OldBaldGamer, replying to Poppy, -11, #1436 of 1899 🔗

No one made you feel anything, you did that to yourself

No one made you use hand sanitizer

This is not face book for hugs and kisses love.

Your cowardice is your problem

It’s a fucking war, act accordingly or comply as you did

307264 ▶▶▶ Noumenon, replying to OldBaldGamer, 5, #1437 of 1899 🔗

While this is indeed a war your denial of the sensitivity of human nature is no different to that which is driving this whole barbaric experiment.

307285 ▶▶▶ Poppy, replying to OldBaldGamer, 18, #1438 of 1899 🔗

I didn’t comply, I didn’t wear a mask because I claimed exemption. Don’t you dare call me a coward when I have been fighting against this BS since March.

307312 ▶▶▶▶ Lisa (formerly) from Toronto, replying to Poppy, 6, #1439 of 1899 🔗

Good for you Poppy and congrats on getting your license! Even if you did wear a mask, you’re not a coward. Trust me, in some places — like all of Canada — you would absolutely not have been able to take your test without complying. Sometimes we have to comply for the greater personal good. Even the most ardent sceptic has had to wear a mask to get medical treatment here as she has been denied life-saving dialysis when she wouldn’t comply. The constitutional lawyer who is suing all levels of government had to wear a mask to get a needed MRI a few months ago. He did take it off once in the room and is suing the hospital, but he did what he had to do for his own health. Poppy deserves nothing but our support and congratulations.

307415 ▶▶▶▶▶ Tom in Scotland, replying to Lisa (formerly) from Toronto, 1, #1440 of 1899 🔗

Exactly – it’s much harder to get a UK driving licence than it is in North America (I know from experience), so congratulations and best of luck with the practical exam. Get as much practice behind the wheel as you can before the practical.

I always like Poppy’s posts, which are thoughtful and insightful.

307447 ▶▶▶▶ wat tyler, replying to Poppy, 1, #1441 of 1899 🔗

Poppy you are a top person who has done some of the best posts ever on this site ,good luck with your test . Take no notice of the retard key board warrior above ,he is probably pissed or mental .unfortunately this site attracts the wrong sort who instead of joining in unity to fight for our freedom likes to bully and fantasize .

307235 ▶▶ Mr Dee, replying to Poppy, 4, #1442 of 1899 🔗

Well done!

I had to illegally sneak my daughter from North Wales to Liverpool for her theory test as the test centres here were all booked up.

She has a driving test booked for the end of January, but is so angry that it might have to be cancelled due to the New Year Lockup (though she heard an internet rumour that the lockdown is only going to be three weeks – I need to find out where she read that).

I’ve a feeling you’ll be ok for March. Good luck!

307266 ▶▶ Noumenon, replying to Poppy, 2, #1443 of 1899 🔗


307532 ▶▶ swedenborg, replying to Poppy, 1, #1444 of 1899 🔗

In this new letter to BMJ Clare Craig debunks the myth of asymptomatic transmission.China invention early on and then they suddenly changed and published an article saying there was no asymptomatic spread.


307122 Dan Clarke, replying to Dan Clarke, 5, #1445 of 1899 🔗

Maybe its time to forget the virus lie

307130 ▶▶ Stuart, replying to Dan Clarke, 1, #1446 of 1899 🔗

Never forget the lie.

307124 Stuart, replying to Stuart, 5, #1447 of 1899 🔗

If Covid did not exist it would be necessary to invent it.

– Dungford, the Welsh Warbler.

307162 ▶▶ Cranmer, replying to Stuart, 11, #1448 of 1899 🔗

He’s a —- robot. Listen to him on the radio. ‘All non-essential shops WILL CLOSE. All pubs and restaurants WILL CLOSE’. I bet if they broadcast that in a Dalek voice it would still sound more humane.

307128 Sir Patrick Vaccine, replying to Sir Patrick Vaccine, 7, #1449 of 1899 🔗

Candace Owens gives her two cents on current affairs with you know what…

Yes … a previous vaccine made her ill

307239 ▶▶ Darryl, replying to Sir Patrick Vaccine, 2, #1450 of 1899 🔗

Republicans could do with Candace Owen as a future Presidential candidate. Someone who is smart not divisive and under 70.

307320 ▶▶ CGL, replying to Sir Patrick Vaccine, 2, #1451 of 1899 🔗

I found Candace Owens during all the BLM stuff in the Summer. The thing I really admire about her is that she takes no prisoners. She has complete courage of her convictions and she can back it up in spades. She is a very strong and principled person. So rare now in politics.

307134 George Dance, 5, #1452 of 1899 🔗

Thank you LS for linking my new article, a look at Dominic Lawson using the vaccine to take a jab at the sceptics movement. For anyone who missed it and would like to take a look, it’s here: https://gdspoliticalanimal.blogspot.com/2020/12/dominic-lawsons-vaccine-jab-at-lockdown.html

307135 A. Contrarian, replying to A. Contrarian, 31, #1453 of 1899 🔗

Tier 3 for me from the weekend, and the one nice thing I’ve been doing with a friend (a yoga class) has been cancelled yet again, indefinitely.

I just cannot understand why people are still putting up with this sh*t.

307160 ▶▶ DRW, replying to A. Contrarian, 18, #1454 of 1899 🔗

The conclusion I’ve reached is that most people are just stupid sheeple.

307322 ▶▶▶ Ben, replying to DRW, #1455 of 1899 🔗

Most. But not all

307152 Cranmer, replying to Cranmer, 11, #1456 of 1899 🔗

One thing that this comments feed could be useful for is for alerting us about pro-Lockdown items in the media and social media, where comments are allowed. If people see a story, thread, advert etc with a lot of pro-lockdown comments, perhaps they could post a link here so that we can counter the posts with our views and up/down vote existing comments. I am thinking in particular of Facebook, which at present seems to be a safe haven for lockdown enthusiasts.

307166 ▶▶ DRW, replying to Cranmer, 4, #1457 of 1899 🔗

Could be a fruitless excercise, most comments have either aggressive censorbots running or just loads of lost causes.

307180 ▶▶▶ Cranmer, replying to DRW, 3, #1458 of 1899 🔗

I was given the idea by a Facebook advertisement for some new type of mask that does not cause spectacles to mist over. Every single comment thought it was the best thing since sliced bread. (They could of course be paid shills). If only one or two polite, sceptical comments were visible it would at least disrupt the True Believers’ echo chamber a little bit.

307190 ▶▶▶▶ DRW, replying to Cranmer, #1459 of 1899 🔗

It won’t achieve anything though they’ll just dismiss it.

307228 ▶▶▶▶▶ PastImperfect, replying to DRW, 1, #1460 of 1899 🔗

Your primary aim should be to put sceptic views (the truth) on the site so that the people just skimming through and reading the comments might be influenced. No point in attempting to influence the zombies – or the dozens of 77ers with nothing better to do.

Go there and help the dissenters, ignore the zombies.

307259 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Cranmer, replying to PastImperfect, 1, #1461 of 1899 🔗

Yes, I never get into arguments on social media – it is pointless – I just politely state my view and withdraw. I’ll only reply directly to a post if somebody has posted something definitely factually incorrect.

307177 ▶▶ leggy, replying to Cranmer, 18, #1462 of 1899 🔗

Pretty much every article on the Daily Mail currently. Some current top comments – they could be from here!:

We can’t be this compliant anymore, we need a rebellion. Non of the cabinet are out of pocket on this, they haven’t worked a day in their lives!

It’s all swings and roundabouts, smoke and mirrors. If you still think this is about a virus then you are fooling yourself.

This government need to be tried for crimes against humanity.

Absolutely scandalous. So they know there will be more lockdowns until May. So in other words, this whole thing is PRE PLANNED AND SCRIPTED.

There we go guys. It will be July next, then a mini summer in the middle then the 15th wave.

Quite simply making it all up as they go along. All about control and suppression. I’m done with this pantomime.

307191 ▶▶▶ Janette, replying to leggy, 4, #1463 of 1899 🔗

We need to stand up and fight back.

307182 ▶▶ Noumenon, replying to Cranmer, 5, #1464 of 1899 🔗

Facebook is a censored echo chamber that bears no relation to real opinion. Most people lurk or don’t bother with it for that reason. It’s a lost cause.

307196 ▶▶▶ Cranmer, replying to Noumenon, 2, #1465 of 1899 🔗

Possibly – but I’ve noticed a shift over the last couple of months and sceptical comments seem to be increasing. I think if sceptical comments increase we could reach a balance-tipping point.

307274 ▶▶▶ Edward, replying to Noumenon, #1466 of 1899 🔗

I use Facebook for a few specific interests and to keep in touch with friends, real-life and online varieties. Because of their current censorship of non-compliant opinions I now only go on it once every one or two days. It’s a small drop in the ocean, but their algorithms will detect my decreasing presence, and if more people are doing the same it might ultimately affect their advertising revenue.

307237 ▶▶ TimeIsNow, replying to Cranmer, 1, #1467 of 1899 🔗

Worth a try. People will notice.

307161 George Mc, replying to George Mc, 16, #1468 of 1899 🔗

The One Show:

“This will be a most unusual Christmas this year”

But not unusual from now on.

This programme sets the tone for the coming …well, forever really.

The wartime atmosphere. The huddled tearful faces. So brave. Transmitting hopefully to generate a sense of precarious community. Little pep talks interspersed with the latest escalating figures. A message of hope: “It may be all over by spring”. Next day a changed message: “Well perhaps by autumn”. Next day ….well you get the picture.

New lingo needed: “Flattening the curve”? Nah that’s been done. “Curving the flattened”? Yeah that’ll do for a bit. “Tiers” is getting worn. How about something a little more robust . “Ghettos”? Hmm… a bit too early for that. How about “Regions”? Well I s’pose.

Now the “new variant” is coming on OK. But just to make sure, we need a few more of them. And don’t call them “variants”. Call them “mutations”. Oh that’s good! Sounds kinda like John Carpenter’s The Thing .

Indeed, given the rich array of horror movies over the last half century, we have plenty of ideas to steal.

307272 ▶▶ AN other lockdown sceptic, replying to George Mc, 8, #1469 of 1899 🔗

The One Show is the very worst shite on the BBC, and it has a lot of competition for that title!

307385 ▶▶▶ nocheesegromit, replying to AN other lockdown sceptic, 2, #1470 of 1899 🔗

I had to remove myself from the room when they were doing street chats in the summer (residents of a road seated in a circle like some kind of ‘circle time’ for adults) and discussed BLM.

307436 ▶▶▶ George Mc, replying to AN other lockdown sceptic, #1471 of 1899 🔗

Oh I never watch it but like so many other programmes, I seem to catch snippets on the way past. It can be fun. I’m sure I heard this today from somewhere or other:

“Wales …computer simulation…millions more dead…. end of life …. cup of tea …huge screaming pile of shite….”

307165 leggy, replying to leggy, 6, #1472 of 1899 🔗

The Office for Budget Responsibility website makes for pretty sobering reading. Their central forecast has unemployment getting close to 8m in the spring.


307212 ▶▶ Leemc23, replying to leggy, 12, #1473 of 1899 🔗

And everyone who failed to speak out and championed “lockdown” should give 50% of their wages until every single one of them people are back in work

307440 ▶▶ Jo Dominich -, replying to leggy, #1474 of 1899 🔗

All to protect the f****g NHS. That was intelligent wasn’t it.

307170 Liam, replying to Liam, 17, #1475 of 1899 🔗

Watching Sky Sports news. Apparently rugby players didn’t know you can get hurt playing a violent contact sport. I give it three years until Rugby and boxing are gone for ever.

307189 ▶▶ Will, replying to Liam, 7, #1476 of 1899 🔗

I’d give it five years at junior level. The adult game will be touch only in 20 years. No win no fee is the worst thing that ever happened to the UK. John Major should be in prison for allowing it.

307201 ▶▶▶ Liam, replying to Will, 1, #1477 of 1899 🔗


307194 ▶▶ Luckyharry69, replying to Liam, 17, #1478 of 1899 🔗

I predict mixed gender football within 10 years.All professional clubs will have to have a quota of women in the name of ‘equality’ and ‘inclusion’….and I am not joking

307199 ▶▶▶ Liam, replying to Luckyharry69, 2, #1479 of 1899 🔗

Entirely likely.

307206 ▶▶▶ Barney McGrew, replying to Luckyharry69, 1, #1480 of 1899 🔗

Assuming there is such a thing as a professional club…

307246 ▶▶▶ OKUK, replying to Luckyharry69, 4, #1481 of 1899 🔗

Really? Wouldn’t that expose the huge gap in skills and strength between men and women? With the gender divide, they can keep up the absurd pretence that women’s football is the equal of men’s.

307249 ▶▶▶▶ Liam, replying to OKUK, 6, #1482 of 1899 🔗

Reality is soooo 2019 baby.

307369 ▶▶▶▶ kenadams, replying to OKUK, #1483 of 1899 🔗

I once tried to watch a WSL game. It was just turgid nonsense. I imagine Wrexham men’s under-15s would beat the England woman’s team.

Women’s sport can be just as good as men’s, but normally more in the olympics style. I quite like the golf as well actually, because they only hit it as far as me, just much much much much more accurately! In some ways it’s more relatable than men’s golf.

Men’s team sports are simply far far far better, though. It’s a simple fact that no amount of wokery can change.

307240 ▶▶ OKUK, replying to Liam, 3, #1484 of 1899 🔗

No, not Boxing. For some reason the least PC of sports is most revered by PC folk. It’s a standing joke in our household about how often Boxing Clubs for urban youth are a cure for all social ills…in reality they should in this day and age be described as Steroid Distribution Centres.

307335 ▶▶ arfurmo, replying to Liam, #1485 of 1899 🔗

Nah touch rugby will take over

307179 ▶▶ leggy, replying to dommo, 1, #1487 of 1899 🔗


307193 A. Contrarian, replying to A. Contrarian, 36, #1488 of 1899 🔗

Here’s a theory.

Lots of dimwits are getting themselves tested in the week or so before Xmas, especially now schools are finishing up, to be sure that they’re not killing Granny. My area has had a sudden “surge” in cases in the last few days. It’s exactly the sort of area where people wear masks on their own in the car, and book themselves tests every 5 minutes “just to be sure”.

If so, we should see a significant drop in numbers around/just after Xmas. There will be temporary optimism that the battle is being won (but no let up on restrictions of course).

Then, in January, the schools will restart, mass testing will ramp up again and “cases” will surge. Those “cases” were there all along, they just weren’t being “found” because no one was getting tested.

Sound likely?

307204 ▶▶ crimsonpirate, replying to A. Contrarian, 11, #1489 of 1899 🔗

whatever happened to the predicted surge in Uni students testing positive and spreading it to their families? Didn’t work out that way and mysteriously disappeared from the news

307236 ▶▶▶ A. Contrarian, replying to crimsonpirate, 6, #1490 of 1899 🔗

Yep. No positive tests, no deaths, no one ill – never reported.

307254 ▶▶▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to A. Contrarian, 9, #1491 of 1899 🔗

Its absolutely incredible the memory hole capacity that is being deployed in 2020. the narrative blows these things up as the BIG FEAR, and then its never mentioned again

The real virus is social media and The Media

307651 ▶▶▶▶▶ crimsonpirate, replying to BeBopRockSteady, #1492 of 1899 🔗

for the moment we know where to go for lunch-Oxford or Cambridge

307273 ▶▶▶ PoshPanic, replying to crimsonpirate, 2, #1493 of 1899 🔗

Super Saturday
The many major beach incidents
5G conspiracy theorists demonstrating
etc, etc

307220 ▶▶ TimeIsNow, replying to A. Contrarian, 3, #1494 of 1899 🔗

Close the Covid exaggeration tents!! The positive rate troughs and peaks with quality, volume and type of test. I agree with Dr Claire Craig that the cases likely aren’t there at all in great numbers and we see the ebb and flow of an out of control testing system.

307234 ▶▶ Darryl, replying to A. Contrarian, 9, #1495 of 1899 🔗

Get tested, get locked down. Notice how when they want a surge of cases they decide to test all school kids. Only the vulnerable and old die with Covid so test the young and healthy.

307242 ▶▶ Noumenon, replying to A. Contrarian, 3, #1496 of 1899 🔗

I was going to post a useful reply, but I’ve got to go and book my corona test.

307267 ▶▶▶ A. Contrarian, replying to Noumenon, 3, #1497 of 1899 🔗

Yes, you must. Save lives! Protect yourself, your family and your community!

307261 ▶▶ p02099003, replying to A. Contrarian, 6, #1498 of 1899 🔗

They know that is what is going to happen and they will blame the 5 day Christmas Truce. It will all happen 12-14 days after Christmas.

On the 12th day of Christmas my true love gave to me one positive PCR test result

307268 ▶▶ theanalyst, replying to A. Contrarian, 1, #1499 of 1899 🔗

Yes – and it is backed up by the epidemiological charts I posted about above before reading your excellent comment. Too many dimwits.


307581 ▶▶ John Kay, replying to A. Contrarian, 2, #1500 of 1899 🔗

Bloke in my team at work got tested with his son and wife this week as his son’s school bus company told his son to isolate. I told him only NHS test and farce can tell you to isolate, sod the bus company. 3 tests come back negative (he lives in Luton they have lateral flow mass sheeple community testing). He then finds out he is in tier 3, told him the 3 tests for his family this week tipped Bedfordshire over the edge – well done. He is a nice bloke but typical of the fuckwits that believe everything fed to them by the propaganda channels. Silver lining is these dimwitted cretins will be taking the vaccine hits for us…

307213 crimsonpirate, replying to crimsonpirate, 10, #1501 of 1899 🔗

so a day after the parliamentary debate where the government pledged not to bring in mandatory vaccination. Today we find most of the country in tier 3. I would imagine in the new year the Covid dashboard will add the number of people vaccinated in your area. Then the nudge unit will take over: Still in Tier 3? Have you vaccinated?

307257 ▶▶ mattghg, replying to crimsonpirate, 6, #1502 of 1899 🔗

Yep. I can imagine the press conferences from Handoncock and Whitty now: “Well yes we’d like to remove restrictions, really we would, but we just can’t until we achieve x% vaccination coverage and sadly some misinformed people have been duped by far-right conspiracy theorist anti-vaxxers…”

307222 Maverick, replying to Maverick, 25, #1503 of 1899 🔗

Bob won the Covid Cartoon of the year. Watch his victory speech here: