2020-12-18

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LS:307722 Hugh, replying to Hugh, 2, #1 of 245 🔗

Thanks for your kind post Annie. Would love to go to Pembrokeshire but…

LS:307724 ▶▶ Hugh, replying to Hugh, 5, #2 of 245 🔗

Thing is, n an ideal world, I would say “great, e-mail me and we’ll sort someting out, and by the way I’d love to have you at our carol singalong in a couple of weeks (and anyone else who likes that sort of thing, in my father’s house there are many mansions).

Unfortunately, this is uncomfortably like the French resistance or the early |Christians, etc. and I daren’t say too much for fear of government and covid spies (rather like Bertolt Brecht’s “Fear and Misery in the Third Reich).

So I hope that some of us can get together when all this is over but, is there any safe way we can do so before then?

Answers on a post card, if I could give my address…

LS:307733 ▶▶▶ annie, replying to Hugh, 1, #3 of 245 🔗

We must arrange something. Message under the third stone to the right of the blasted oak…

LS:307747 ▶▶▶▶ Eliza P., replying to annie, 1, #4 of 245 🔗

Waving here from just over the Pembrokeshire border – ie here in Ceredigion.

LS:307779 ▶▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Hugh, 1, #5 of 245 🔗

First and Last, we used to have a pub called that until it closed as a consequence of the smoking ban.

LS:307957 ▶▶▶ Marialta, replying to Hugh, 1, #6 of 245 🔗

Setting up a group on Telegram is the way KBF and Save Our Rights communicate. Someone with know how here must be able to help as telephone numbers are needed

LS:307723 bobdobbs0507, replying to bobdobbs0507, #7 of 245 🔗

2nd?

LS:307726 ▶▶ Hugh, replying to bobdobbs0507, 2, #8 of 245 🔗

More or less, and Bob’s your uncle.

Wasn’t that rubbish yesterday? And that “not enough evidence for vitamin D” story – will this rubbish ever end?

Well, off to bed, back later if I don’t die from the plague first…

LS:307725 Cecil B, 2, #9 of 245 🔗

I’ll show you my tier if you show me yours

LS:307727 Crystal Decanter, replying to Crystal Decanter, 15, #10 of 245 🔗

Pig Dictator
Rapists Dad
Hazel McWitch
Arlene Bornaman

Can all get bent
No consent

LS:307732 ▶▶ annie, replying to Crystal Decanter, 9, #11 of 245 🔗

How apposite..The Welsh are being repeatedly raped – and the zombies come back for more and more.
They say that for a rapist, the pleasure isn’t so much in the sex, but in the pain, terror and humiliation.inflicted on the victim. But how many rapists are also able to savour the fact that his victims like being hurt, terrorised and humiliated?

LS:307739 ▶▶▶ William Gruff, replying to annie, -14, #12 of 245 🔗

The Welsh voted for it. Who outside Wales cares what happens to them? I care only what the ‘British’ government does to England.

LS:307750 ▶▶▶▶ Eliza P., replying to William Gruff, 6, #13 of 245 🔗

Wow – there must be a noticeable number of Welsh that did not vote for it. Anyway a lot of us living in Wales are English (who may or may not have voted for it – I wouldn’t have if I’d lived in Wales at the time).

LS:307783 ▶▶▶▶▶ William Gruff, replying to Eliza P., -13, #14 of 245 🔗

Your idiotic reply does not address my point. Try again but try harder, much harder, and try thinking.

LS:307793 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Biker, replying to William Gruff, 17, #15 of 245 🔗

Excellent we’ve got a live one here. I look forward to examples of your “thinking”. I’m not one to rush to judgement without first considering the case so i look forward to you providing evidence to quell that gnawing feeling i got that you’re just a wanker. I live to be corrected though.

LS:307805 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ William Gruff, replying to Biker, -8, #16 of 245 🔗

An appreciation of your own irony obviously not one of your qualities.

Gnaw on that feeling; I can see that it hasn’t much to feed on. You are one of the biggest fools here.

LS:307821 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ annie, replying to William Gruff, 4, #17 of 245 🔗

Meet the First Billy-Goat Gruff.

LS:307831 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ William Gruff, replying to annie, -6, #18 of 245 🔗

That’s it, is it, annie? That’s your best shot?

LS:307834 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ annie, replying to William Gruff, 2, #19 of 245 🔗

Yes, butt…

LS:307963 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Rowan, replying to William Gruff, 1, #20 of 245 🔗

Is that yours lance corporal.

LS:307885 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Cecil B, replying to Biker, 4, #21 of 245 🔗

Well said Sir

LS:307941 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to William Gruff, 1, #22 of 245 🔗

I suspect Eliza P. tried much harder, and thought more deeply before posting, than you did.

LS:307961 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Rowan, replying to William Gruff, -1, #23 of 245 🔗

You are simply trolling. Aren’t you lance corporal.

LS:307751 ▶▶▶▶ annie, replying to William Gruff, 1, #24 of 245 🔗

Nobody voted for Dungford. He was not elected.

LS:307782 ▶▶▶▶▶ William Gruff, replying to annie, -4, #25 of 245 🔗

He wasn’t? How did he get where he is?

LS:307801 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ William Gruff, replying to Mr Dee, -3, #27 of 245 🔗

I cannot be bothered to look at the document you’ve provided a link to because you obviously cannot be bothered to make a reply otherwise. However, I note that the link says ‘party leadership election’ and, if I recall correctly, I recall that the people of Wales voted in favour of a national assembly elected by the list system, which, if I recall correctly, means that the people of Wales voted for a number of Labour WAMs / WAGs, whatever they style themselves these days. Whoever leads the party there, and fills vacant seats, is the choice of the party according to the system voted for by the people of Wales.

LS:307929 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Mr Dee, replying to William Gruff, 6, #28 of 245 🔗

Why oh why am I replying to you? Anyway here goes – and please correct me if I’ve got anything incorrect.

Last Welsh Assembly Election was May 2016. The entire Welsh population had an opportunity to vote. Turnout : 45%. Carwyn Jones was elected First Minister on the basis of 35% of that vote. So his mandate was based on the votes of 16% of the Welsh population. Carwyn Jones stepped down in 2018. The Welsh Labour Party held a vote to replace him. Drakeford was voted in on the basis of a mere 20,000 members and affiliates voting, winning 12000 votes. He now lords it over 3 million people, wreaking havoc on their lives. On the basis of 12,000 votes. Plus he wants to delay the upcoming May elections, because, duh, Covid. But we all know the real reason why.

This is at best oligarchy. But I call it tyranny.

LS:307753 ▶▶▶▶ annie, replying to William Gruff, 12, #29 of 245 🔗

Decent people care about what is inflicted on other decent people wherever they are.

LS:307780 ▶▶▶▶▶ William Gruff, replying to annie, -6, #30 of 245 🔗

Yours is clearly the moral high ground, however, I am not convinced. Will you kindly explain why it is that ‘ d ecent people care about what is inflicted on other decent people wherever they are ‘?

Why am I obliged to care what happens to people elsewhere who have exercised their right to self-determination?

Remember to use logic in framing your reply and not emotion.

LS:307839 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ annie, replying to William Gruff, 7, #31 of 245 🔗

Adolf Hitler gained power by majority vote in a democratic system. The people who originally voted for his party did not originally vote for tyranny, war, or the mass extermination of minorities. Some undoubtedly welcomed all three when they came, just as our zombies have welcomed tyranny, enslavement and degradation, but even the zombies didn’t anticipate that result when they voted.
People can only vote on the basis of the information available to them at the time of voting. If circumstances change, they have the right to reassess their own decisions.
Decency does not stop short at any border. Obviously selfishness does not either.

LS:307857 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ William Gruff, replying to annie, -5, #32 of 245 🔗

I asked you to use logic and not emotion yet your reply starts with the Nazis and an implied criticism of PR. A lot of emotion, and an attempt at reclaiming the moral high ground, however, you haven’t addressed my question.

So I ask again: w ill you kindly explain why it is that ‘ decent people care about what is inflicted on other decent people wherever they are ‘?

LS:307858 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ NorthumbrianNomad, replying to William Gruff, 8, #33 of 245 🔗

will you kindly explain why it is that ‘ decent people care about what is inflicted on other decent people wherever they are ‘?”

It’s called “being a human being,” sunshine.

LS:307865 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ William Gruff, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, -6, #34 of 245 🔗

Another idiot wades in. You cannot answer the question either, yet you could not resist the temptation to serve your queen.

You are further proof, if proof were needed, that while the wise man speaks because he has something to say, the idiot speaks because he has to say something,

Why did you bother?

LS:307948 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to William Gruff, 2, #35 of 245 🔗

Hmm.

LS:307921 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Cristi.Neagu, replying to William Gruff, 4, #36 of 245 🔗

Because caring what is inflicted on other people is empathy. And you cannot have a stable society without empathy. “Do unto others as you would have them do unto you”. Otherwise you would have a society of backstabbing leeches. That’s why decent people care about others.

LS:307942 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Foxglove, replying to William Gruff, 4, #37 of 245 🔗

If you need to ask that question you are not going to understand the answer.

LS:307768 ▶▶▶▶ Mr Dee, replying to William Gruff, 10, #38 of 245 🔗

Drakeford was never voted directly by the people of Wales into power. He was more or less given the job by cronies in the corrupt Senedd. No one had heard of the man before events catapulted him undeservedly into the public eye in March 23 2020. By the way, Mr Gruff, despite being Welsh I care very much what happens to my brothers and sisters in England. Love you xxx

LS:307922 ▶▶▶▶▶ kf99, replying to Mr Dee, 2, #39 of 245 🔗

And plenty of people live near the border and are affected by both governments. But ‘health is devolved’ is the mantra which seems to cover every aspect of our lives

LS:307913 ▶▶▶▶ Cecil B, replying to William Gruff, 2, #40 of 245 🔗

On a turnout of 50.22%
There were were 559,419 votes for devolution
552,698 votes against

So the answer to your assertion is that the Welsh did not vote for this shitshow. Only 25% of them did

These 77th interventions are so predictable and rather tedious

LS:307933 ▶▶▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to William Gruff, 1, #41 of 245 🔗

What Drakeford does in Wales today, Johnson does in England tomorrow. And as Drakeford follows the Dear Labour Leader in England, one Keir Starmer, it looks like you haven’t got the government you voted for in England either.

LS:307788 ▶▶▶ Biker, replying to annie, 3, #42 of 245 🔗

I can’t help feel the Welsh deserve it for inflicting Tom Jones and Shirley Bassey on the world. That and their bloody choirs with songs about being a god damn miner. Oh yeah i nearly forgot, the Manic Street Preachers too, a bunch of moaning left dullards whom inexplicably think they are very clever. The best thing they ever did was one of them killed himself. I’m waiting on the other three doing it, maybe the virus will get them and then they’ll all be “small black flowers growing in the sky”. I like Catherine Zeta-Jones though, for two reasons, you’d fuck her wouldn’t you and secondly she gave throat cancer to Michael Douglas who was partial to licking her abracadabra. If it weren’t for that i’d happily pour concrete over the entire place.

LS:307823 ▶▶▶▶ Mr Dee, replying to Biker, 2, #43 of 245 🔗

I’ve just realised why Wales has become a Covid-ridden plague hell hole.

“The Welsh language is now the fastest growing language in the UK, according to Duolingo. The smartphone app firm said the number of new Welsh learners using its services has risen by 44% in 2020.”

It’s all that spit and phlegm flying around when we talk.

LS:307841 ▶▶▶▶▶ annie, replying to Mr Dee, 2, #44 of 245 🔗

LLovelly, it is, absollutelly llovelly, llook you.

LS:307955 ▶▶▶▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to Mr Dee, #45 of 245 🔗

If it’s any consolation, there are just as many plosives in English as there are in Welsh…

LS:307962 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ annie, replying to Nick Rose, #46 of 245 🔗

But only Welsh has the voiceless alveolar lateral fricative. Beat that if you can.

LS:307846 ▶▶▶▶ TJN, replying to Biker, 2, #47 of 245 🔗

Someone else other than me thinks the Manic Street Preachers are insufferably dull. Thought it was just me. I can’t stand OK Computer either.

LS:307926 ▶▶▶▶▶ Biker, replying to TJN, 1, #48 of 245 🔗

Ok Computer is fucking terrible. I was at Glastonbury ’95 and watched these dull fucks perform their “masterpiece”, honestly i’d rather not bother with music if that’s all there was.

LS:307969 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ TJN, replying to Biker, #49 of 245 🔗

You’re the first person I can recall who says it’s dreadful. Everyone else I ask says it’s great, and I just say no, no, no. As I remember ‘Let Down’ was all right, but the rest is garbage.

Nirvana Nevermind is another one of those ‘classics’ that gets me all annoyed. Don’t tell me you like that one? (Lithium is ok though.)

Off to break some tier rules now.

LS:307866 ▶▶▶▶ Crystal Decanter, replying to Biker, #50 of 245 🔗

Alien Sex Fiend
Many a chem fuelled night spent with them crazy bastards in Cardiff

LS:307871 ▶▶▶▶▶ Mr Dee, replying to Crystal Decanter, #51 of 245 🔗

Now I’m Feeling Zombified. Apt song for these times.

LS:307944 ▶▶▶▶ kenadams, replying to Biker, 1, #52 of 245 🔗

Your posts brighten my day, Biker! Always good fun.

LS:307951 ▶▶▶▶▶ Biker, replying to kenadams, 1, #53 of 245 🔗

They brighten my day also ken. I post them then i go do something for a while and later on at night when i’ve forgotten what i’ve said i go back and read the comments section and have a good laugh to myself and think that Biker dude is a right amigo

LS:307964 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ annie, replying to Biker, #54 of 245 🔗

Beware multiple personality disorder, Biker 1 and Biker 2!

LS:307728 Cecil B, replying to Cecil B, 4, #55 of 245 🔗

The band Tiers for Fears had hits including ‘ Mad World’, ‘Suffer the children ‘ and ‘ Everybody wants to rule the world’

An album ‘ The hurting’

In addition they featured in the Band Aid ditty ‘ Do they know it’s Christmas’

More Lost Prophets than T for F

LS:307729 ▶▶ Cecil B, replying to Cecil B, #56 of 245 🔗

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LS:307862 ▶▶ Biker, replying to Cecil B, 3, #57 of 245 🔗

I saw them once back in about ’84 at the Edinburgh Playhouse, i hardly remember the gig but i remember Suzanne let me touch her in a place i’d never touched before. I still think of her to this day. She’s dead now. Killed herself because i ultimately rejected her and she could not live on without me. True story. Well the bit about her killing herself was made up but all the rest of it was true.

LS:307730 Nicky, replying to Nicky, 2, #58 of 245 🔗

If you haven’t seen this yet it may raise a much needed smile 😊
https://twitter.com/berniespofforth/status/1339656703076405249?s=20

LS:307737 ▶▶ annie, replying to Nicky, 4, #59 of 245 🔗

It’s great, except that you keep seeing those nasty, gloating faces that you simply lust fo smash-in, but can’t.

LS:307758 ▶▶▶ William Gruff, replying to annie, -25, #60 of 245 🔗

Is your lust for destructive violence constrained by fear of retaliation, fear of being treated like a man arraigned for assault or simply lack of proximity, comfortable in the certainty that you can assault at will under the protection of your vagina? I’m willing to bet that while you ‘lust’ after the opportunity to assault some man for having the audacity to assert a position that offends you you are not so keen to accord him the right to retaliate.

What a nasty creature you are..

LS:307772 ▶▶▶▶ Mr Dee, replying to William Gruff, 11, #61 of 245 🔗

Mr Gruff. I may love you, but please fuck off. No one messes with dear Annie on this site. She is the veritable Queen of the Lockdown Sceptics. Go sit on the naughty step.

LS:307827 ▶▶▶▶▶ William Gruff, replying to Mr Dee, -9, #62 of 245 🔗

Another sad eunuch taking comfort from the little gang of inadequates sucking from the tit. Tell me, are you one of those gutless and ball-less wonders who like to ‘get the chocky bickies out’?

LS:307843 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ annie, replying to William Gruff, 2, #63 of 245 🔗

Dear Billy-Goat, what attracted you to this site? Have you run out of places to be nasty in?

LS:307892 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ William Gruff, replying to annie, -2, #64 of 245 🔗

Try again annie but do try harder, much harder.

LS:307844 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Winston Smith, replying to William Gruff, 2, #65 of 245 🔗

I don’t know who the fuck you are and I don’t really care. Just think, you may may come across somebody in real life when you’re spouting crap who is really on the edge and more then capable of giving you life-changing injuries.

Stay safe……

LS:307889 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ William Gruff, replying to Winston Smith, -2, #66 of 245 🔗

You lovers of free speech are always an inspiration. You haven’t the balls to hurt those you disagree with so you post limp messages on-line expressing your wish that someone else will do what you can’t.

What a sad sack you are.

LS:307899 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Winston Smith, replying to William Gruff, 2, #67 of 245 🔗

Give me a place and a time, on the mat, in the ring or on the street, gloves or bare knuckles. I’ve hurt loads of people. Now fuck off.

LS:307911 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ William Gruff, replying to Winston Smith, -2, #68 of 245 🔗

The world can now see that your age is higher than your IQ and both are low. I haven’t come across an idiot like you on the internet for more than twenty years. You’ve hurt no one except your mother.

Now fuck off.

LS:307915 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Winston Smith, replying to William Gruff, 3, #69 of 245 🔗

🤣 🤣 🤣 🤣 🤣 🤣 🤣 🤣 🤣 🤣 🤣 🤣 🤣 🤣 🤣

Diddums 🤣 🤣 🤣 🤣 🤣 🤣 🤣 🤣 🤣 🤣 🤣

LS:307919 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Biker, replying to Winston Smith, 3, #70 of 245 🔗

The man considers himself funny, i can only imagine he’s a BBC panel show comedian.
He’s obviously decided that skeptics are stupid and dispensed with proving the skeptical view to be nonsense with science and has rushed headlong into abuse. That’s fine with me because to woke tools like him the “emotional labour” to show everyone how he’s right will be as heavy as a yoke.

LS:307937 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Thomas_E, replying to William Gruff, 1, #71 of 245 🔗

Dear William, I know you are a troll in a worst possible sense of the word and you are probably lonely, sad individual and that is the main reason why you probably scour the internet and insult people who you never met and now nothing about with the worst insults possible.

LS:307860 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Mr Dee, replying to William Gruff, 4, #72 of 245 🔗

Shit. The game is up. You got me! Chocky bickies anyone?

LS:307894 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ William Gruff, replying to Mr Dee, -2, #73 of 245 🔗

You’re not a eunuch?

LS:307794 ▶▶▶▶ Biker, replying to William Gruff, 9, #74 of 245 🔗

It’s funny how you mention a vagina what with you being a massive cunt

LS:307811 ▶▶▶▶▶ William Gruff, replying to Biker, -7, #75 of 245 🔗

Oh dear, with a white knight as dull as you to ride to her aid annie is doubly doomed. Why do you do it?

LS:307847 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ annie, replying to William Gruff, 2, #76 of 245 🔗

Biker andI ride the Celtic hills together, mowing down billy-goats.

LS:307884 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ William Gruff, replying to annie, -1, #77 of 245 🔗

Let me know when you manage to hit one.

LS:307850 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Biker, replying to William Gruff, 3, #78 of 245 🔗

I think you’ll find that Annie and i disagree strongly over religion so i can’t be accused of rushing in to her “aid”, not that i would, she can deal with non-entities like you just fine, no it’s just i found your pish to be, well pish. Disappointing really. I’m all for a spot of humour but you’re just some lefty prick pretending to be right wing. It’s pathetic i know but i do hope you continue to make an arse of yourself. It’s always a deep pleasure when a cat like yourself rocks up on a forum with a Santa Sack full of cringe to hand out. Off course we could settle this like men and i could come round and cut your fucking balls off you little fucking weasel, but really that wouldn’t be nice, and anyway i’m half way through the last season of Lovejoy and i want to get it finished before i watch the next episode of The Grand Tour. You pal are like that feeling you get when you’ve done a shit, wiped your arse and left the bog and are walking around knowing that despite your best efforts there is still a little shit residue between the cheeks of your arse which will only be resolved by taking a shower

LS:307923 ▶▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to William Gruff, #79 of 245 🔗

77th Brigade alert!!!

LS:307817 ▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Nicky, 1, #80 of 245 🔗

Brilliant, well worth the nasty visage.

LS:307731 malasdair, replying to malasdair, 48, #81 of 245 🔗

People are trapped in the clever framing of tiers by politicians…they’re now arguing about which tier they deserve to be in, instead of asking why they are in any tier at all. Game, set and match for the politicians and their overlords. Plus why the f*CK is the PCR test still being used as a measure of cases?

LS:307734 ▶▶ Suze Burtenshaw, replying to malasdair, 19, #82 of 245 🔗

Indeed. And why the f#ck is the word ‘cases’ being used instead of ‘positive tests’? Cases brings to mind thousands of people stuffed into hospital corridors, clutching their chests, gasping their last breaths. Oh wait, I’ve answered my own (rhetorical) question.

LS:307754 ▶▶▶ Margaret, replying to Suze Burtenshaw, 14, #83 of 245 🔗

Exactly. A quick search of my local paper will bring up these photos of lines of patients in corridors plus lots of articles with headlines of how the NHS is at breaking point. The problem is they are all from previous years. I haven’t seen one photo of an overcrowded hospital this year.

LS:307760 ▶▶▶▶ Suze Burtenshaw, replying to Margaret, 4, #84 of 245 🔗

Well, I guess it is the pantomime season, isn’t it, and this year we have a doozy!

LS:307766 ▶▶▶▶ Will, replying to Margaret, 7, #85 of 245 🔗

As the lovely junior doctor, who put my daughter’s cannula in last week, said, the hospital is no busier than in a normal winter. Unfortunately we had a night in the hospital, as my daughter picked up a sickness bug during her treatment, and there was no one in their. The hospital was absolutely filthy though with blood smeared on the door of the room in A and E.

LS:307873 ▶▶▶▶▶ Bella Donna, replying to Will, 7, #86 of 245 🔗

Sounds lovely! Seriously you can understand how hospitals are the epicentres of infections when hygiene isn’t important to the managers. In the day when we had matrons in charge the wards literally sparkled and everywhere smelled of disinfectant. Then managers were imported into hospitals and we now know what a disaster that was!

LS:307736 ▶▶ annie, replying to malasdair, 11, #87 of 245 🔗

Why the bogus test? It’s so useful for stoking the terror that keeps the zombies gibbering. No further excuse needed.

LS:307742 ▶▶ Steve Martindale, replying to malasdair, 13, #88 of 245 🔗

Why are people getting tested? some need it for work but why everybody else? ‘you don’t need a weatherman to know which way the wind blows’ you don’t need a test unless you are in hospital and then you will get tested anyway. Testing just fuels the covid nonsense machine , how do we get people to stop?

LS:307774 ▶▶▶ Will, replying to Steve Martindale, 11, #89 of 245 🔗

If you are admitted to hospital you are tested. I suspect that most adults going into A and E are swabbed and anyone up for any sort of procedure is swabbed as well. I imagine prisoners are being routinely tested, the London “spike” emanates from the prisons on the isle of Sheppy and we know that prisoners have much higher incidence of infections because they live in close proximity and they are phenomenally unhealthy with scandalously low levels of vitamin D.

LS:307761 ▶▶ Will, replying to malasdair, 3, #90 of 245 🔗

That is why I question the objection to LFTs in schools. Liverpool demonstrated that the LFT is much more accurate. Sure we all know that testing could stop and no one would even notice anything unusual but LFTs in schools might help to gently wean the sheeple off their fear fix.

LS:307787 ▶▶▶ p02099003, replying to Will, 6, #91 of 245 🔗

My healthcare company are introducing LFT to test staff twice a week. If you test positive then you have to book in for the more accurate PCR test as the LFT cannot distinguish between full viruses and partial viruses (a précis of their words not mine). I have queried this with my line manager but have heard nothing back. Also there doesn’t appear to be anyone else querying this, a concern as there are physicians, nurses and paramedics in the organisation.

LS:307795 ▶▶▶▶ Will, replying to p02099003, 3, #92 of 245 🔗

Does the LFT involve the horrible nose swab? If it does I doubt you’ll have too many teenagers coming back for seconds or thirds.

LS:307849 ▶▶▶▶▶ p02099003, replying to Will, 2, #93 of 245 🔗

Yes it is a nose or throat swab. Of course if teachers are meant to do the swabbing it won’t be long before someone gets vomited over.

LS:307764 ▶▶ Van Allen, replying to malasdair, 17, #94 of 245 🔗

Exactly. I wish everyone would stop falling into the trap of arguing about which tier their area should be in. Doing so just legitimises a crazy system. Nobody should be in any tier. Lockdowns don’t work at reducing deaths as evidenced in at least a number of research papers. And let’s face it Tier 3 is basically lockdown.

LS:307822 ▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to Van Allen, 14, #95 of 245 🔗

Well said. Many people still haven’t cottoned on to the fact that if they want this to be over, they should do the following:

  1. stop following the tier system
  2. stop obeying the restrictions
  3. stop getting tested
  4. ditch the masks
  5. vote with your feet and wallets and boycott any establishment that blindly follows the Covid “safety” measures.

Remember, the people hold the power. It ain’t over until we say it’s over.

LS:307905 ▶▶▶ Judy Watson, replying to Van Allen, 2, #96 of 245 🔗

Well said. I agree totally.

LS:307770 ▶▶ Moomin, replying to malasdair, 5, #97 of 245 🔗

Stockholm syndrome!

LS:307868 ▶▶ Bella Donna, replying to malasdair, 2, #98 of 245 🔗

Why? Because it produces the stats they want to scare the public.

LS:307735 miahoneybee, 1, #99 of 245 🔗

Twelfth.. moving up.. 😁

LS:307738 annie, replying to annie, 16, #100 of 245 🔗

Please, Toby and Will and others, don’t say ‘the UK’, when you mean England, especially with this tier rubbish.
Wales’s answer to Pol Pot has told us that the instant Christmas is over, Wales is going into a lethal incarceration that will make ‘tier 3’ look like a foretaste of paradise. That’ll learn us.

LS:307863 ▶▶ p02099003, replying to annie, 1, #101 of 245 🔗

Technically it is the U.K. although only affecting England as the decisions are made by the U.K. government. Westminster should not be making these decisions, if they can be devolved, quite rightly, to the other three nations then why not to England ?

LS:307740 chaos, replying to chaos, 9, #102 of 245 🔗

Build Back Better is the tricky part. The part that will not be done. The part that will stall.

So.. as lockdowns/tiers continues.. the vaccine trickles out.. but we are still in a dictatorship, millions unemployed and fooked.

What then for Blustering Bullshit Blowjob and his teenage girlfriend and other MP’s connected to WEF partners?

https://www.weforum.org/partners/#search

LS:307804 ▶▶ 6097 Smith W, replying to chaos, 3, #103 of 245 🔗

It will be done but understand that they mean better for them not us.

LS:307741 TJN, replying to TJN, 2, #104 of 245 🔗

Made the mistake of clicking on this on the BBC news website just now, somehow stuck out the nearly 3 mins 25 secs, and nearly threw up.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/av/world-europe-55356700

If any one on here does click on this link don’t blame me for ruining your morning. You have been warned.

LS:307757 ▶▶ annie, replying to TJN, 5, #105 of 245 🔗

Of course, silly me had to go and do it. But I only read the first few lines. What it told me was that there are ‘rule-breakers’ all over Europe.That thought cheered me a lot.

LS:307762 ▶▶▶ TJN, replying to annie, 6, #106 of 245 🔗

I’m still seething about it. I’ll never give the BBC another penny – haven’t had a TV licence for years because I detest them, but my disgust has reached a whole new level over the last few months.

My father used to say all the time that the BBC was the most evil organisation this country has ever faced. And he’s been gone over a decade now. God only knows what he would say about them now.

LS:307809 ▶▶ 6097 Smith W, replying to TJN, 3, #107 of 245 🔗

Well they can never admit that their rules are stupid and were never going to work so it has to be the fault of rule breakers.

LS:307826 ▶▶ karenovirus, replying to TJN, 1, #108 of 245 🔗

I survived but may be immune because of listening to their radio stations almost daily.

LS:307956 ▶▶▶ kenadams, replying to karenovirus, #109 of 245 🔗

How do you do that? I’m almost in awe in a way.

LS:307743 Skippy, replying to Skippy, 22, #110 of 245 🔗

Some little jerkoff at the McDonald’s in Brighton is going to have a shit Christmas. Rather than laying him out due to his shitty attitude to mask exemption, it’ll be a formal complaint to their HQ. I feel as happy as a Scotsman with a grievance

LS:307829 ▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to Skippy, 3, #111 of 245 🔗

Go for it. I did the same to a loathsome Karen at my local M&S – went to her manager then to Head Office to complain. Won’t be surprised if she was given a disciplinary record and sent off for re-education over exemptions and providing good customer service. And yes, I have avoided that branch like the plague.

Never Again.

LS:307744 Richym99, replying to Richym99, 5, #112 of 245 🔗

You were given a press pass to a press conference given by your own nations leader (Johnson, Drakeford or Sturgeon). You have one opportunity to pose a quesrtion, that has to be answered, and will be heard by every other journalist in the room, (who so far have not seemed to have had any desire to ask difficult quesfions themselves), and the reply.

What would be the question that you think would nail your own ministers arse to the wall and get mainstrsam journalisrs to stop and take note?

LS:307746 ▶▶ Steve Martindale, replying to Richym99, 15, #113 of 245 🔗

The lesson from AIDS was that we never got a vaccine but we did manage to develop some very effective treatments. Why have we ignored this lesson and poured so much money into dodgy vaccines when history tells us that for less money we could have effective treatments in place that could be in full scale use now; preventing the current ludicrous situation of the healthy population being deprived of its human rights and liberties just because the NHS is a shambles?

LS:307767 ▶▶▶ Van Allen, replying to Steve Martindale, 6, #114 of 245 🔗

Because getting people used to regular vaccines is part of another Agenda?

LS:307833 ▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to Steve Martindale, 1, #115 of 245 🔗

Good question. And the thing about AIDS is that instead of developing a vaccine they focused on prevention and suppressing HIV which has shown to work and be much more effective.

LS:307859 ▶▶▶ Bella Donna, replying to Steve Martindale, #116 of 245 🔗
LS:307745 chaos, 15, #117 of 245 🔗

It really is an amazing virus. Just about every western leader has had it now. Who do you know that has had it? The cold.

Where are the letters to Brady? Why is this madness continuing?

LS:307748 chaos, 6, #118 of 245 🔗

That economic impact of tiers and lockdowns they promised.. any day now we’ll see it.

LS:307749 annie, replying to annie, 3, #119 of 245 🔗

Maybe us South Welshies could meet up, somewhere rural, next week? Have car, will travel.

LS:307752 ▶▶ Eliza P., replying to annie, -1, #120 of 245 🔗

Up for that in principle. But no car.

LS:307755 ▶▶▶ annie, replying to Eliza P., 1, #121 of 245 🔗

Can travel to Ceredigion, no problem. Used to enjoy browsing round Cardigan. Don’t really want to go there now and see what the zombies have done to it, but it’s an easy journey.

LS:307781 ▶▶ Mr Dee, replying to annie, 1, #122 of 245 🔗

I’m happy to drive down anytime. No where’s far In a car. Not next week though. Busy busy busy.

LS:307756 Fingerache Philip., replying to Fingerache Philip., 16, #123 of 245 🔗

Collaborators trying to out do each other in “cliches”.
Latest stomach churning platitude from a black country MP (who cares which one), we mustn’t lower our quard now “When the vaccine cavalry is coming over the hill”.
Got to go now, I feel sick.

LS:307854 ▶▶ annie, replying to Fingerache Philip., 2, #124 of 245 🔗

The cavalry will give us all a sabre in the arm.

LS:307927 ▶▶▶ Fingerache Philip., replying to annie, #125 of 245 🔗

Or cut it off.

LS:307867 ▶▶ p02099003, replying to Fingerache Philip., 2, #126 of 245 🔗

Into the valley of death rode the 600 (Charge of the light brigade).
Bluster’s (sorry Custer’s) last stand.

LS:307936 ▶▶▶ Fingerache Philip., replying to p02099003, #127 of 245 🔗

Both the disasters that happened with the charge of the light brigade and the battle of the little big horn were bought about by INCOMPETENCE by leaders and experts.

LS:307952 ▶▶ Barney McGrew, replying to Fingerache Philip., #128 of 245 🔗

I wouldn’t mind so much if it was the government’s intention that the vaccine should be the cavalry, but I get the feeling they’re setting it up to fail. I wonder if that’s why they’re not pushing the vaccine certificate thing: they have no intention of this ending with the vaccine, so they don’t need to push it. Maybe the ‘cyber-attack’ narrative (main headline on the BBC web site last night) will make this all seem like a quaint golden age when it kicks in.

LS:307759 CivilianNotCovidian, replying to CivilianNotCovidian, 21, #129 of 245 🔗

Heart is breaking for Wales.
Bob’s speech made me cry.
Child abuse by DfE.

Last night I joined a – miraculously legal – group I belong to for a wonderful hour of carol singing, with mulled wine and hot chocolate. It was worth the numbed nose and toes to stand around, see some human faces and hear some familiar tunes sung out heartily. “This is normal” I thought, as I hugged an old friend. And yet I could see a few members of the public walk by staring at us like we were some zombie cult intent on mass murder. No one is going to die as a direct result of this gathering. But the joy is brought to people might improve their lives.

The ONLY way out of this nightmare is to SPREAD TRUTH. We have to talk to people. Keep talking. Keep educating. Keep it simple…
1) Positive test results are not “cases” without symptoms
2) PCR tests are completely unreliable and should not be used on healthy, “asymptomatic” people EVER
3) Asymptomatic people are NOT infectious

KEEP TALKING
SPREAD THE TRUTH
SAVE LIVES

LS:307763 ▶▶ Suze Burtenshaw, replying to CivilianNotCovidian, 3, #130 of 245 🔗

Made me cry too. What a lovely chap.

LS:307775 ▶▶ John Ballard, replying to CivilianNotCovidian, 7, #131 of 245 🔗

Agree, real shame those with money like the Wetherspoon owner don’t get together to do some big press and tv advertising to offset the lies.
Boris was all for defunding the BBC at the start of the year before it turned into a nazi propaganda tool for him and handjob.

LS:307785 ▶▶ Mr Dee, replying to CivilianNotCovidian, 10, #132 of 245 🔗

Spreading truth is difficult when many people simply do not want to know. My own parents, for example. They seem frightened of the information I send them to try to persuade them that it is safe for them to hug their grandchild. Anything not from the BBC they shy away from.

LS:307802 ▶▶▶ CivilianNotCovidian, replying to Mr Dee, 5, #133 of 245 🔗

We’ve all been there. It takes gentle repetitive nudging. Remember they have been relentlessly brainwashed. Go easy on them. Keep it simple. Keep showing them videos/articles from experts… John Lee and Clare Craig are particularly good. Loads of great stuff in BMJ now. Also a great resource is Parliamentary website and the webcasts of the Select Committees. Look at video evidence given to the Constitution Committee, especially that of Kirstie Brimelow QC and Lord Sumption. Don’t give up.

LS:307851 ▶▶▶▶ Mr Dee, replying to CivilianNotCovidian, #134 of 245 🔗

I’ve been gently repetitively nudging them since March 23. Lost causes! They’ve got even worse this time round. Thanks for the advice though.

LS:307893 ▶▶▶ p02099003, replying to Mr Dee, #135 of 245 🔗

My parents in law are in their late 80’s but still go shopping, banking etc as required, yet they reluctantly let us in to see them because of my job as a nurse practitioner. My daughter in law won’t see us because she has rheumatoid arthritis and because of my job, however she is a paediatric consultant working both from home and in the hospital; my son is a primary school teacher and they have two children at nursery and school. Her parents visited them for an hour but wouldn’t let the children too close to them.

LS:307958 ▶▶▶▶ Biker, replying to p02099003, #136 of 245 🔗

Jesus, does everyone in your family work for the state?

LS:307765 karenovirus, replying to karenovirus, 4, #137 of 245 🔗

Special pleading about this tier or that misses the point but today I read that our major regional hospital has had three deaths ‘with covid’ but spread over five days, so one every other day.

Throughout lockdown lite (the summer) and until recently it was 1-2 per day which would indicate that mortality is falling.

(tier 2 btw, before and after).

LS:307776 ▶▶ Jonathan Palmer, replying to karenovirus, 12, #138 of 245 🔗

After the Northern Ireland news plus Wales.Is there anyone on here who doubts we will be back in lockdown in January.This is a concerted effort across the World to lockdown the population,again.
It’s about time Toby and the others called this out for what it is.Arguing about tiers or showing the latest graph will have no effect.
It is a worldwide fascist coup.

LS:307769 Moomin, 7, #139 of 245 🔗

And still the people comply!

LS:307771 John Ballard, 18, #140 of 245 🔗

Another day of madness commences. On the train to work, not sure how long this will last as now one in four train staff are isolating apparently down in tier one Cornwall.
I can work from home so it wouldn’t matter if the train service falls apart, but I would bet my months salary on the fact those isolating or positive will be fine and back at work next year. No deaths no long covid just a nice opportunity to have a couple of weeks at home over Xmas backed up by our government lunacy and a snowflake pandemic.
In other news my 82 year old father had the vaccine yesterday. With heart issues and prostrate cancer why not, he’s not exactly going to have to worry about fertility problems at his age! He was chirpy about it last night and said he’d never seen so many old people at the surgery. Not surprising as anyone not old cannot see a doctor apart from online, tough luck everyone else!
Isn’t the answer to this to just vaccinate everyone over 70 if they want it, that sorts the vast majority of those at risk and just tell the rest of the population to get the hell on with it?!
We won’t do it though, I work with people brain washed and desperate for their jab even though under 40. So we will keep spinning the lies until the moronic government vaccinate the moronic public.
Anyway, I’m lucky in tier one and life nearly normal apart from the mask idiocy, feel deeply sorry for the bigger nightmare the rest of you are living through.
Have a good day or as good as it can be sceptics, another day closer to the spring when not even these idiots will be able to keep this going.

LS:307773 Biker, 10, #141 of 245 🔗

Oh Happy Day
Oh happy Day
when Boris washed
Oh when Boris washed
when Boris washed
my rights away

LS:307777 Londo Mollari, replying to Londo Mollari, 13, #142 of 245 🔗

Looking at the situation in the various parts of the UK it just seems obvious to me that this is not going to go away until there is some sort of “massive pushback” from the citizenry.

LS:307789 ▶▶ Steve Martindale, replying to Londo Mollari, 19, #143 of 245 🔗

I did a look round on twitter and there are some vitriolic comments going around about the NHS, I think it’s glitter is getting a little tarnished as people kick-back against the idea that we must be deprived of our human rights and civil liberties because the NHS is a shambles.
In Northern Ireland they have announce a 6 week lockdown, with the one stated reason that otherwise the NHS would be crushed! We do not pass laws telling people they cannot go to the toilet because the local sewage works has broken down, why are they passing laws restricting our liberty because the hospital has broken down.
I think the total UK spend on the NHS is around £178 billion, despite all the luris stories of people queuing up to go into hospital, if you look at the NHS dashboard;
https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/details/healthcare
In Northern Ireland this shows 457 Covid 19 patients in hospital, if my maths is correct that represents 0.024% of the N.I. population, so with all the money we pay them that is not enough for the NHS; they need to suck away our liberty and rights as well as all our cash.
The NHS has become the monster and the enemy rather than our glory and our salvation. We cannot and must not put up with this deprivation of our rights and liberties because a health service cannot cope on £178 billion.

LS:307803 ▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to Steve Martindale, 14, #144 of 245 🔗

Excellent analogy. As Lord Sumption has said, life is not merely the avoidance of death. If the government seriously wanted to protect the NHS, locking the healthy population is sure an odd way to go about it especially as we’re seeing a rise in untreated illnesses, substance abuse, mental health issues and domestic violence – all of which will require medical intervention.

So, pray tell, how is that protecting the NHS??

LS:307869 ▶▶▶▶ PatrickF, replying to Bart Simpson, 1, #145 of 245 🔗

Matt Hancock’s reply. “I understand your concerns, which is why I won’t answer your question. “

LS:307940 ▶▶▶▶ calchas, replying to Bart Simpson, #146 of 245 🔗

THe NHS will be protected as long as those affected stay at home.

LS:307813 ▶▶▶ Biker, replying to Steve Martindale, 10, #147 of 245 🔗

The NHS is a nightmare because the average punter to is too fucking stupid to know that Government isn’t capable of running a bath so it spends ten times as much as it needs to do something i could do as private business at a fraction of the cost. The solution to everything lies in private business not government mafia

LS:307842 ▶▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to Biker, 3, #148 of 245 🔗

The “authorised suppliers” also allows for money just to be burnt. The hospital I worked for was paying £27 for a 60W light bulb which at the time cost 30p in the shops! Most of these suppliers have Government Ministers and their friends on the boards, cronyism at it’s best!

LS:307934 ▶▶▶▶▶ Biker, replying to JohnB, #149 of 245 🔗

I hate to hear things like that. When you think what it takes to earn 27 quid and these cunts just spend it like if floated down the river in a canoe

LS:307954 ▶▶▶ Ned of the Hills, replying to Steve Martindale, #150 of 245 🔗

Why don’t they just requisition hotels?

LS:307778 Awkward Git, #151 of 245 🔗

Looking for independent corroboration but it’s hard to find about the nurses in Alaska and Tennessee who have either based out or died immediately after getting the vaccine:

https://halturnerradioshow.com/index.php/en/news-page/world/covid-vaccine-very-dangerous-nurse-gets-shot-passes-out-minutes-later-on-camera

Apparently the Alaskan nurse died butt ring to find confirmation but there is this:
https://www.the-sun.com/news/1982516/second-health-worker-allergic-pfizer-covid-vaccine-anaphylactic/

Wasn’t it 2 nurses in the UK who it happened to as well?

LS:307784 TJN, replying to TJN, 9, #152 of 245 🔗

The longest night approaches. As I survey the news this morning it seems to me we’ve reached a whole new level of insanity.

At what point does this break?

LS:307786 ▶▶ Poppy, replying to TJN, 16, #153 of 245 🔗

When things don’t go back to normal despite the vaccine being administered. Remember that a lot of people genuinely believe that the govt’s intentions are bona fide and that we will see an end to restrictions with the magic vaccine. When that doesn’t happen we will see a much stronger pushback, I predict. It’s either that or serious economic hardship that will focus minds, but endless furlough is delaying that tipping point unfortunately.

LS:307792 ▶▶▶ Charlie Blue, replying to Poppy, 11, #154 of 245 🔗

I hope with every fiber of my body that you are right, Poppy. I do wonder if most are already too numb and subservient for the penny ever to drop. Our persecutors surely already have plans to trumpet new, improved vaccines that we must hang on for to counter dissent when nothing changes after this round of vaccinations.

LS:307799 ▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to Poppy, 13, #155 of 245 🔗

Agree with this. The lockdownistas I know are counting on the vaccine to open things up and I suspect they will be massively disappointed when they realised they’ve been lied to.

Me and my colleagues are now waiting to hear who gets the chop next month. I don’t think we’re the only ones in this situation. The endless furlough is simply a smoke screen as it doesn’t stop more businesses from going bust and laying off workers.

LS:307807 ▶▶▶▶ Charlie Blue, replying to Bart Simpson, 12, #156 of 245 🔗

The curious thing is that for once we haven’t really been lied to. We’ve been repeatedly told that vaccination does not mean getting back to normal. People haven’t heard that message or have chosen not to hear it.

LS:307861 ▶▶▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to Charlie Blue, 5, #157 of 245 🔗

Many people are not keeping their eyes and ears open. Plus the skill of reading between the lines is fast disappearing.

LS:307928 ▶▶▶ calchas, replying to Poppy, 1, #158 of 245 🔗

Yes,my impression is that a majority of people think that the vaccine ends this.

If that is so, then they have a surprise.

LS:307959 ▶▶▶ Barney McGrew, replying to Poppy, #159 of 245 🔗

I think the ‘cyber attack’ story is one to watch…

LS:307796 ▶▶ chaos, replying to TJN, 2, #160 of 245 🔗

When brexit is brino and they realise they cannot build back better or even know what such entails.

LS:307800 ▶▶ mhcp, replying to TJN, 6, #161 of 245 🔗

Remember the story from WW1 about how at Christmas the two sides had a ceasefire, got together, played football, smoked some cigarettes and chatted before going back to the trenches?

So even in the midst of bloody battle and madness, the need for normality can prevail.

Are we going to get similiar events over Christmas?

LS:307835 ▶▶▶ TJN, replying to mhcp, 1, #162 of 245 🔗

Yes, but wasn’t that the first Christmas of the war? It went on another 4 years.

LS:307810 ▶▶ Steve Martindale, replying to TJN, 11, #163 of 245 🔗

For much of my life I was proud to belong to a country that could boast both the NHS and the BBC, glittering examples, I thought, of how to live in a civilised and progressive country. In 9 months Uberfuhrer Johnson and his miserable crew and the response of the BBC and the NHS have destroyed a lifetimes beliefs. After all these years it is not easy to come to realise that the UK Government, the BBC and the NHS are currently not fit for purpose. I doubt i would have got to this view without this site, many UK citizens are like I was, wedded to a belief in the UK, The BBC and the NHS it is like the divorce of all time to recognise that this relationship has irretrievably broken down. So I guess it is not surprising if public opinion is slow to turn.

LS:307824 ▶▶▶ Bella Donna, replying to Steve Martindale, 12, #164 of 245 🔗

It’s like a blindfold has been ripped off the eyes isn’t it? Beliefs I have held all my life were false. Life feels pretty bleak at the moment. If only the masses weren’t so sheeplike. It’s very depressing. However we cannot give up or give in we must hope that at some point justice will be served to those unscrupulous bastards that have caused such misery.

LS:307791 PatrickF, 2, #165 of 245 🔗

69th!

LS:307797 PatrickF, 5, #166 of 245 🔗

Once you understand that the tier system is about cases, not people the easier it is to understand the logic of lockdown and you too will love Big Brother.

LS:307798 Jane in France, 2, #167 of 245 🔗

The list of round-up articles includes one about a second wave in Japan (and other places). I don’t know about the other places, but Japan is going full-on hysterical with numbers of cases. Every article on the front page of NHK online is about rising numbers of cases. So far according to Worldometers there have been 2,739 covid deaths in Japan, a rate of 22 per million. Yet the world life expectancy site shows that in 2017, the most recent year, no fewer than 141,278 Japanese citizens died from flu or pneumonia, a rate of 242 per million. So I don’t know why they are making such a fuss. By the way, the NHK online front page has also started to notice the snow which is much more impressive.

LS:307806 Bella Donna, #168 of 245 🔗

This is an excellent article, it’s lengthy but worth reading.

https://viableopposition.blogspot.com/2020/12/is-ivermectin-unsexy-miracle-solution.html

LS:307808 Mr Dee, replying to Mr Dee, 13, #169 of 245 🔗

An independent body responsible for deciding how much Cardiff Bay politicians earn has recommended a rise of 2.4% in May.

It amounts to an increase of £1,624 on the basic salary of a Member of the Senedd (MS), bringing it to £69,273.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-politics-55349985

I think we can all agree, they’ve earned it.

Meanwhile:

James Marsh had built a 15-year career as a sound engineer for big productions and other live events. But when theatres closed during the UK lockdown in March, he had to rethink his plans.

Now James is a binman and said he was grateful to have a job.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-55352966

Yes. Us serfs must be grateful.

And horrifically:

Child abuse referrals soar by 80% since lockdown.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-55352968

Never forget. Never forgive.

LS:307830 ▶▶ mhcp, replying to Mr Dee, 2, #170 of 245 🔗

A perfect example of Bastiat’s Broken Window Fallacy. James the now Binman is misallocated capital. Which has its consequences

LS:307814 alw, replying to alw, #171 of 245 🔗

Not only have the government roped in Pru Leith and Sir Ian McClellan to advertise their snake oil vaccination, now reported in DT that Prince Charles is to have it too. Don’t think any of this will make the public fall for yet another scam.

LS:307819 ▶▶ JohnB, replying to alw, 4, #172 of 245 🔗

They’ve already fallen for it. The frog has been well and truly been slow boiled!

LS:307828 ▶▶ dpj, replying to alw, #173 of 245 🔗

So lots of celebrities who are in the highest risk category due to their age have decided risk is worth taking and are having vaccine.

LS:307880 ▶▶ stefarm, replying to alw, #174 of 245 🔗

Oh no he won’t, oh yes he will…..it’s behind you…..

You get the picture folks, pantomime season

LS:307820 ▶▶ Seansaighdeoir, replying to Seansaighdeoir, #176 of 245 🔗

Can’t edit the above. Apparently this a nurse passing out after taking the vaccine.

LS:307837 ▶▶▶ chaos, replying to Seansaighdeoir, #177 of 245 🔗

has the edit feature stopped working? i can’t edit either.. the widget doesn’t respond…

LS:307818 alw, 4, #178 of 245 🔗

DAN WOOTTON It’s time to shout up about the madness of Covid lockdowns – sanity should prevail in 2021”

https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/13508901/end-madness-covid-lockdowns/

LS:307825 alw, replying to alw, 7, #179 of 245 🔗

“Lord Sumption: The Lockdown Is Without Doubt the Greatest Interference with Personal Liberty in Our History”

https://www.aier.org/article/lord-sumption-the-lockdown-is-without-doubt-the-greatest-interference-with-personal-liberty-in-our-history/amp/

LS:307864 ▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to alw, 1, #180 of 245 🔗

Read it last night. Great article and should be circulated more.

LS:307832 NorthumbrianNomad, 10, #181 of 245 🔗

Bob Moran is a magnificent, modest, principled and courageous man. It’s significant that I feel the need to add “courageous”, where all he’s doing is publishing cartoons that don’t even have Mohammed in them. But courageous he is.

LS:307838 chaos, replying to chaos, #182 of 245 🔗

has the edit feature stopped working? i can’t edit.. the widget doesn’t respond…

LS:307902 ▶▶ anon, replying to chaos, #183 of 245 🔗

testing edit

LS:307904 ▶▶▶ anon, replying to anon, #184 of 245 🔗

not working!

LS:307840 mhcp, replying to mhcp, 14, #185 of 245 🔗

Just watched a bit of TalkRadio and there’s councillor Martin Tett on. He says” the government are dealing with a pandemic that we haven’t seen in a 100 years”

This is the main pillar of the propaganda. Up there with climate change is the worst crisis in human history.

Complete and utter shite.

Anyone who says that the Pandemic is the worst crisis is missing the point. Lockdowns are the worst crisis in modern times and they are self-inflicted.

LS:307848 ▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to mhcp, 3, #186 of 245 🔗

Notice they’re still going on about the “virus” and the “pandemic”

Have this lot not gotten the memo yet that it has ceased to be about the virus months ago and its now because of lockdown & restrictions?

LS:307845 NickR, replying to NickR, 3, #187 of 245 🔗

Lots of news about the NI health service at breaking point today. Well let’s look at the data…..

LS:307900 ▶▶ Tyneside Tigress, replying to NickR, #188 of 245 🔗

Nick, sorry I missed this before I posted about what Michele O’Neill said last night, as it prompted me to look at the country data in the dashboard. Were the Antrim ambulancemen on strike, or did the ambulances not get the delivery of petrol!

LS:307852 NickR, 1, #189 of 245 🔗

Hospital admissions in Wales, is it really the picture that’s painted by the MSM?
The jump yesterday is probably related to the 11,000 lost tests that suddenly emerged.

LS:307853 mr ben, replying to mr ben, 2, #190 of 245 🔗

Once Brexit is completed surely it will be time for members of the CRG to resign en masse and end this disastrous government?

LS:307879 ▶▶ Will, replying to mr ben, 1, #191 of 245 🔗

And bring in Starmer, who would put everyone into a lockdown until we have achieved “zero”covid.

LS:307881 ▶▶ Tyneside Tigress, replying to mr ben, 2, #192 of 245 🔗

Yes, once he has ‘done his job’, the Fat Controller is surplus to requirements. 56 votes against the tiers, with an additional 20 abstentions. I think it only needs 55 letters to the 1922 to trigger a leadership contest. They need to get on with it.

LS:307888 ▶▶▶ Will, replying to Tyneside Tigress, 2, #193 of 245 🔗

I think the challenge will come in March. It can’t come soon enough as far as I am concerned because Princess Nut Nut is properly dangerous.

LS:307896 ▶▶▶▶ Tyneside Tigress, replying to Will, 1, #194 of 245 🔗

Yes, agree. She is a ‘plant’. Should come earlier – end January is the next vote on extending the tier system, although if there is a national lockdown or addition of a ‘tier 4’, that might have to be voted on.

LS:307855 NorthumbrianNomad, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, 4, #195 of 245 🔗

And then there’s the Andrews junta in Victoria. Refusing to apologise for incarcerating the populace in public housing projects. Well, lockdown probably looks ok from your nice professional mansion with plenty of proles to do the dirty work of looking after you while your massive public salary keeps pouring in. Who cares about a few delinquents who have to live in grotty tower blocks? They should be grateful still to be alive, always presuming that they are, and haven’t thrown themselves off the roof like cowards undermining the covid statistics. We’ll have the last laugh, though, because we’ll call them Covid deaths anyway.

LS:307898 ▶▶ Colin, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, 2, #196 of 245 🔗

This is how the caste system originated in India, Ancient Rome and Ancient Greece. During epidemics the ruling elite locked themselves away in their country villas and got the “untouchables” to deliver them food and take away their sH1t. The lowest caste in India are today still referred to and treated as “untouchables” because they were the virus carriers.

LS:307916 ▶▶ kenadams, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, 1, #197 of 245 🔗

I go back to one of the things most perplexing about all of this – lefty Guardian readers are the most pro-lockdown. How on earth do they justify, to themselves, the disproportionate impact of lockdowns on the poorest in society?

Does anyone read the Guardian? I am genuinely interested in what people say BTL – how are they justifying it? What is their logic?

LS:307918 ▶▶▶ arfurmo, replying to kenadams, 1, #198 of 245 🔗

I can only think that they regard teh saving of every lifes trumps the cost.

LS:307856 PatrickF, replying to PatrickF, 3, #199 of 245 🔗

Breaking news: The NHS has been overwhelmed with free pizza. Matt Hancock to make statement in HOC.

LS:307960 ▶▶ Nobody2020, replying to PatrickF, #200 of 245 🔗

I’ll bet pizzas for the NHS don’t cost £50k for 9 orders.

LS:307870 Winston Smith, replying to Winston Smith, 6, #201 of 245 🔗

Who’s on the edge of really hurting somebody?

LS:307874 ▶▶ Laura Suckling, replying to Winston Smith, 2, #202 of 245 🔗

Me

LS:307875 ▶▶ TJN, replying to Winston Smith, 3, #203 of 245 🔗

I have to go into town this afternoon. If anyone has a go at me for not wearing a mask they are going to get a right gobfull.

LS:307887 ▶▶ l835, replying to Winston Smith, 5, #204 of 245 🔗

I’m going to cough uncontrollably near the first person I see wearing a mask outside

LS:307872 Cristi.Neagu, replying to Cristi.Neagu, 3, #205 of 245 🔗

Mr Speaker, as we enter the coldest months we must be vigilant and keep this virus under control. Yesterday, 25,161 cases were reported and there are 18,038 people in hospital with coronavirus in the UK.

So… not only are we locking up the entire country because less than 0.03% of the population is in hospital, but were supposedly getting over 25,000 cases per day, but only 18,000 people are in hospital. Does no one see the contradiction? Even at a 5% hospitalisation rate, in two weeks you’d have almost 18,000 people in hospital. So you’re telling me the hospitalisation rate is much, much lower than 5%?! What the hell are you doing?

LS:307876 ▶▶ stefarm, replying to Cristi.Neagu, 4, #206 of 245 🔗

but only 18,038 people are in hospital – that’s it, 18,038 in hospital (who have had a false+ test).

How many of the 18,038 are a proper case i.e. displaying symptoms, not having their appendix out, or having a baby or having treatment for something else.

LS:307890 ▶▶▶ Tyneside Tigress, replying to stefarm, 2, #207 of 245 🔗

25% of them are people who were in for something else and then contracted covid. Since September, everyone staying overnight on a maternity ward has to be tested – Professor Semple’s disingenuous ‘the largest number of covid admissions are women in the 20-40 age group’ – must be hospitality workers, so let’s close down pubs and restaurants. Overall, the number in hospital is lower than this time last year. Numbers in mechanical ventilation beds is down on mid-November numbers. I know Michelle O’Neill in Northern Ireland has a lot in common with Angela Raynor – they both left school at 16 with more babies than GCSEs – but really, did she not think to check the dashboard for the NI stats!

LS:307920 ▶▶▶▶ SweetBabyCheeses, replying to Tyneside Tigress, 1, #208 of 245 🔗

The additional scandal there is telling people these vulnerable mothers that they “have” to be tested. They still need consent and people can say no! What are they going to do, call security? Call the police? Chuck you out on the streets unable to even stand? Most likely you will just get your own private room. Your partner may even be allowed to visit then too. Until they run out of private rooms and they just have to stop. Only the simple actions of ordinary people can stop this circus.

LS:307939 ▶▶ Steve Martindale, replying to Cristi.Neagu, 1, #209 of 245 🔗

Mostly they like to tout the hospital admissions figures as they look more scary. However, in my view, you also need to look at the total in hospital and the discharge rate. Hospitals are not the Hotel California people go in they come out and the turn around time with ‘covid’ cases is now quite fast.
The admissions figures are dodgy as there is some indication of double or treble recording admissions if people are moved to different areas of the hospital.
If the NHS is ‘overwhelmed’ with these sort of low numbers do not kick the people, kick the NHS, cut the pay of Whitty, Hancock and all the NHS top brass until they stop bleating about being overwhelmed and sort out the mess.

LS:307877 l835, #210 of 245 🔗

Heil Drakeford

LS:307878 Stephen Wikner, 5, #211 of 245 🔗

Sadly, the case against lockdowns has yet gain widespread traction. Maybe the case would be helped if Messrs Baker, Wragg et al in the Commons and elsewhere who broadly support the sceptic position would stop talking about ‘cases’ every time they refer to the number of positive PCR tests. These are not cases of the disease and every time they repeat this fiction they add a trowel of cement to the foundations of the rickety edifice on which the authorities are continuing to base their asinine decisions. Semantics maybe, but one’s got to start somewhere. As propagandists down the ages have shown, sufficient repetition of a lie, be it (as in this case) ‘just’ a woolly imprecision, in due course turns it into a ‘truth’. What is truth, asked Pilate? Unfortunately, all too often it is what a gullible populus take it to be. Knock away at that ‘truth’ brick by brick and may be just may be . . .

LS:307882 Tyneside Tigress, 3, #212 of 245 🔗
LS:307883 Richym99, 3, #213 of 245 🔗

Drakeford again avoids Senydd approval for his “laws” post Christmas

Call me cynical, but ten months into this emergency, why are Johnson, Drakeford and Sturgeon still being allowed to use section 45R of the Public Health Act to avoid scrutiny of their restrictions. Drakeford enacted these laws yesterday to commence on the 24th December, 8 days in advance, yet claims there is no time to put them before the Senydd so invokes section 45R again.

He says they will stay in place until about January 15th, which is 30 days on from the day they were invoked, which would normally be outside the 28 days he has to have the Senydd debate by restrictions, except he knows he has another 4 days because of the Chrustmas recess to make sure the restrictions again receive no scrutiny, debate or chance to criticise them.

Looking at the dissenting voices in the Tory party in Westminster, it is inconceivable to believe that there cannot be similar dissenting voices amongst Labour AM’s in Cardiff who are being prevented from having a platform to speak out.

LS:307886 Will, replying to Will, 2, #214 of 245 🔗

Anyone else noticed the creep creep of long covid stories as the deaths decline…

LS:307895 ▶▶ Colin, replying to Will, 1, #215 of 245 🔗

yes – a friend posted one on FB with a graphic with the quote “the vast majority of people recover from Covid19 within two weeks” plastered across it as if it was some kind of evil propaganda lie….

LS:307907 ▶▶ Tyneside Tigress, replying to Will, 3, #216 of 245 🔗

As I have said before, its seems to be a pretty discriminating affliction. It targets disproportionately white, middle class, 40 something liberal metropolitan women teachers, charity workers and healthcare workers!

LS:307891 Colin, 1, #217 of 245 🔗

Apologies if already posted – ER nurse of 20 years’ standing, wears a mask at work ONLY to protect others in case she picks up the virus from a patient, but has no fear of catching it herself and explains that it is pointless wearing it outside work. Sometimes common sense wins the day. But why is it that Trump supporters seem to have a monopoly on basic common sense, of the sort you have at age 10? Am I missing something here?
ER nurse at Trump rally says she refuses to wear mask outside of work (msn.com)

LS:307897 swedenborg, 1, #218 of 245 🔗

The more information available now on earlier research on coronavirus the more concern it raises. They have all been done on the expressed purpose of being able to produce vaccines and to be ahead of possible next spillage of a bat virus into human population. There are obvious serious discussions that something can go wrong in the lab process.

 The following article just increases the concern. It is possible with information on the internet to recreate the smallpox virus.

https://thebulletin.org/2020/02/a-biotech-firm-made-a-smallpox-like-virus-on-purpose-nobody-seems-to-care/

The highly respected bio tech industry seems to be completely unregulated for obvious commercial reasons. The genie is possibly already out of the bottle but isn’t time to reflect if it is possible to restrict this type of work? What on earth is the meaning of creating a safer vaccinia strain for smallpox vaccination when the process of creating it can end up recreating the smallpoxvirus?

LS:307901 Danny, replying to Danny, 4, #219 of 245 🔗

Can I please ask for some legal advice.
As a teacher, can anybody clarify the legality of my taking a position come January of both refusing to take an active role in facilitating mass testing of students, and of refusing said test myself?
Any help very much appreciated.

LS:307906 ▶▶ Londo Mollari, replying to Danny, 3, #220 of 245 🔗

The only thing I can think of is the Nuremburg code – but that is really all about experimental vaccines. Maybe take a stand based on the mental health of children? Schools have a statutory duty to promote thee welfare of children but kids are being traumatised by hand washing, reminders not to kill granny and so on.

LS:307917 ▶▶▶ Danny, replying to Londo Mollari, 4, #221 of 245 🔗

Thanks. The mental health concern is extremely valid but we seem to be beyond legality now.
If last year, I had been made aware of a kid who wears a mask in the street, washes their hands repeatedly, believes fervently that everyone they meet will kill them, and that whenever they get a cough, their parents take them out of school, lock them in their bedroom and leave trays of food outside the door, I would have been legally liable for professional misconduct if I had not immediately flagged that kid up to social services.
Now? Teachers scream at kids to mask up and unless they wear a badge labelling them to everyone as having a disability, they are shamed and abused.
I’m tired.

LS:307909 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to Danny, 7, #222 of 245 🔗

Absolutely worth seeking advice. UsForThem? They might be able to answer your query.

Has there ever been a case of a teacher refusing to be involved in the flu vaccines over the years? There may be precedent

LS:307914 ▶▶ Apache, replying to Danny, 3, #223 of 245 🔗

Healthcare begins and ends with consent. Perfectly reasonable for you to give negative informed consent. The same applies to under 18s. I am unable to comment if it is their consent or their parent’s but someones consent must be gained.

LS:307903 BeBopRockSteady, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 3, #224 of 245 🔗

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-55354459

So Lockdown III being lined up in Northern Ireland, i thought in interesting to see what the local businesses leaders were doing. Surely now they’d see the writing on the wall and they do. So their response?

One of them, depressingly, responds by asking people to wear a face mask in store and wash your hands. That’s it.

Another asked for a lockdown like we had in March. Lockdowns work. Problem is when you emerge it’s mad max out there.

These are the leaders of business locally. They are so bereft of thinking that we’ve no hope of any resistance. They all don’t want to break rank and suggest lockdowns are bad idea, but recognise their members will be losing thousands of jobs and businesses. It’s the ultimate fence sitting. Where is the anger? They appear utterly consigned to their fate.

LS:307908 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 1, #225 of 245 🔗

Edit button not working. When I say Lockdowns work, it’s the view of the business leader. Not mine.

LS:307910 ▶▶ Cristi.Neagu, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 2, #226 of 245 🔗

As i keep pointing out when i hear people say that they wish for a lockdown so that the country might wake up: It’s never going to happen. The population of Europe is much too docile. I’m sure that most people would rise up if shown support, but the media makes sure that anyone considering revolt will feel utterly and completely alone in that sentiment.

All over the western world the media is controlling our lives. They shape what we see and what we think. It’s time to hold the media liable for their lies. We need to impose seriously grave consequences for any media outlet that deliberately publishes misinformation when there is ample proof of the contrary. The media cannot be give as much power as it has without there being any responsibilities.

LS:307947 ▶▶ Jo Dominich -, replying to BeBopRockSteady, #227 of 245 🔗

Learned Helplessness – Seligman’so dogs.

LS:307912 SilentP, #228 of 245 🔗

Have just submitted this for approval on the Medicines sub forum….

Really encouraging news from Synairgen this morning.

This could soon be saving many lives and relieving many more people of developing serious symptoms.

It has the potential to deliver significant benefits in advance of large scale vaccine rollouts – and with much less risk of side effects.

FDA fast tracking is what was needed as the UK
government did not seem to fully appreciate the potential….a potential to put paid to the case for lockdowns.

https://uk.advfn.com/stock-market/london/synairgen-SNG/share-news/Synairgen-plc-COVID-19-Clinical-Programme-Update/83937533

LS:307924 Nobody2020, replying to Nobody2020, 2, #229 of 245 🔗

I don’t usually pay much heed to anecdotes but I’m just going to put this one out there. It’s from personal experience and purely for information. Make of it what you will:

Months ago I read an article by a US doctor doing the rounds on a COVID ward. He noted that many victims had low oxygen levels. This was due to a build up of liquid in the lungs which would be slow and gradual then hit suddenly leaving victims gasping for air. It was around this time that the interest in Pulse Oximeters peaked and I even suggested that my parents get one.

Just recently my father who is 70+ had difficulty breathing. I was notified after a couple of days of it and given some other symptoms – fatigue, loss of appetite and coughing up phlegm/mucus. All secondary symptoms of COVID, the main 3 being continuous cough, loss of taste/smell and high temperature none of which he had.

Thoughts that went through my head:

What if it’s COVID? It could be serious. But if he goes to hospital he might die there and we’d never see him again.
What if it’s not COVID? If he goes to hospital he might catch it there and we may never see him again.

Anyway, overnight his breathing got worse and was taken to hospital. He was put on oxygen straight away and they did a test for coronavirus. An x-ray showed water on the lungs.

It all pointed to COVID and if everything we’ve been led to believe is true he would likely die. Needless to say I was worried.

Then the test result came back and as I feared it was…negative.

What?

With much relief to everyone he was allowed home after a couple of days of treatment and monitoring in hospital.

I have my own thoughts on it all, mainly to do with the fear mongering that we’ve all been subjected to all year, but I’ll leave it at that for now. It’s also highly probable that had he died he’d have been counted as a COVID death.

LS:307938 ▶▶ Charlie Blue, replying to Nobody2020, #230 of 245 🔗

Glad your dad recovered. What diagnosis did they actually give, if any?

LS:307925 alw, 1, #231 of 245 🔗

Garbage in, garbage out – bogus maths behind the R number”

https://www.conservativewoman.co.uk/garbage-in-garbage-out-bogus-maths-behind-the-r-number/

LS:307930 Tom Blackburn, #232 of 245 🔗

Wales Online: Welsh woman, 108, becomes one of first care home residents to get jab.
https://www.walesonline.co.uk/news/wales-news/moment-108-year-old-woman-19479187

LS:307931 kenadams, replying to kenadams, #233 of 245 🔗

How on earth is stuff like this not getting traction amongst the right-on, woke pro0lockdown crowd?

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-55352968

LS:307935 ▶▶ Tom Blackburn, replying to kenadams, 2, #234 of 245 🔗

Because they are fucking hypocrites. I have had to re-evaluate nearly every person I know over this shit. Most do not scan well.

LS:307949 ▶▶ Biker, replying to kenadams, 2, #235 of 245 🔗

These are the people who were shouting a vote for Boris was a vote for a tyrannical government and when for the first time in their subsidised lives they were right, and then they all changed direction and backed it. You couldn’t make it up. You can always rely on a lefty to make the wrong decision. They are biologically programmed to fuck it

LS:307932 Ferd III, #236 of 245 🔗

Furlough numbers in this article are Bo**oc*s.

Statista using Gov’t numbers says the Furlough number is above 9 million as of November given that is the latest data. No idea where the 2.4 million comes from in this article. Is it remotely realistic that from Sept to Nov, 7 million workers were taken off Furlough? Why? Given the flu fascist tiered downs and shuttered firms, how was that possible? If so, why wasn’t was this broadcast on the Fake News?

CV 19. Lies, data fraud, made up stories, including the real unemployment number which is likely 25%.

“As of November 15, 2020, approximately 9.6 million jobs, from 1.2 million different employers were furloughed in the United Kingdom as part of the government’s job retention scheme. The day with the most jobs furloughed at once was May 8, 2020 , when 8.86 million jobs were on the job retention scheme. The scheme, introduced in response to the economic damage caused by the Coronavirus (COVID-19) pandemic, covers 80 percent of an employees’ usual monthly wage, up to 2.5 thousand British pounds a month.”

LS:307943 swedenborg, replying to swedenborg, 1, #237 of 245 🔗

https://twitter.com/SimulationComm3/status/1339859504490455045
 These are a few slides from different regional states in the US. The important thing is the shape of the curve, they are all testing like mad so the numbers are less important. But what is important is the geographical location, weather patterns and the same temporal profile. This is a seasonal virus outside human control, any difference in SD, mask mandate or lockdown or not,cannot be spotted at all. The whole response makes no difference for the virus spread.

LS:307968 ▶▶ calchas, replying to swedenborg, #238 of 245 🔗

Yes – they might just as well try and control the direction of the wind. It’s a natural force.

LS:307945 Fingerache Philip., #239 of 245 🔗

Businesses are being urged to get expert advice on when we leave the European market.
What’s that I hear about “expert advice
Yeh,OK,OK!

LS:307946 Bart Simpson, replying to Bart Simpson, #240 of 245 🔗

Just got an email from our Big Cheese informing us that we will reopen very likely on 2 January while our other site which is in a Tier 2 area has had to close because they’ve been moved to Tier 3.

Only the shops have remained open.

Jesus wept. Is there no end to this?

I’m coming to the conclusion that the government is hell bent not only on destroying hospitality but even museums & heritage. Trouble is TPTB in my sector are too blind and dim to realise that the government is destroying them and that they’ve been complicit in this destruction.

LS:307965 ▶▶ thedarkhorse, replying to Bart Simpson, #241 of 245 🔗

Destroying British heritage has been underway for years. Only have to go in Bristol City museum or the old Industrial museum site to see evidence of that. Politicised up to their necks. I do hope you’ll survive the cuts, Bart.

LS:307950 Mr Dee, replying to Mr Dee, 1, #242 of 245 🔗

Little Miss Dee wants to write a post:

Coronavirus should mean ‘absolutely unnecessary over-reaction’

LS:307953 ▶▶ annie, replying to Mr Dee, 1, #243 of 245 🔗

Too right, Little Miss Dee! Tell everyone!

LS:307967 ▶▶ Fingerache Philip., replying to Mr Dee, #244 of 245 🔗

Well, it is!!!!

LS:307966 Bella Donna, #245 of 245 🔗

To vaccinate or not to vaccinate that is the question.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=dGs6muALHGk

Err no thanks I’ll take a raincheck!

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