Last updated2020-12-20T16:32:21



312244 Zoothornrollo, 1, #1 of 2079 🔗


312250 PWL, replying to PWL, 84, #2 of 2079 🔗

Boris doesn’t cancel anything. You choose to comply, or not.

Action To End The Interminable Unlawful Lockdown

312260 ▶▶ Hugh, replying to PWL, 44, #3 of 2079 🔗

As Christ Himself would say, “Do not be afraid!”

We shall not be moved.

312972 ▶▶▶ Sir Patrick Vaccine, replying to Hugh, 3, #4 of 2079 🔗

Are We Being Played?… Lockdown 3 – The Madness Continues
Godfrey Bloom Official

313148 ▶▶▶ Sir Patrick Vaccine, replying to Hugh, 1, #5 of 2079 🔗

Dear hugh
Matt Hancock Supports the Great Reset | Weekend Podcast #8

The Podcast of the Lotus Eaters

312337 ▶▶ Will, replying to PWL, 32, #6 of 2079 🔗

Unfortunately some of us simply don’t have that option because of the jobs we do and the places we live. If I could ignore all this nonsense I would but it might involve us losing our home and livelihood.

312460 ▶▶▶ IanE, replying to Will, 8, #7 of 2079 🔗

And just wait till they bring in the Ministry of Love.

312661 ▶▶▶ J4mes, replying to Will, 23, #8 of 2079 🔗

I’m in the same boat, Will, so at the first sign of this scamdemic (I knew it was a hoax from the beginning) I started branching out, trying to look for alternative employment – ideally self-employment. It’s important to realise this is tyranny and we’re not returning to life as it was before, so we have to quickly adapt.

I’ve started a horticulture course online and am currently building a portfolio for self-employment. Part of the reason I am learning horticulture is because I fear at some point in the future, food may be difficult to obtain while also becoming increasingly expensive.

312757 ▶▶▶ Rowan, replying to Will, 10, #9 of 2079 🔗

If you don’t start to fight back then the system will overwhelm us all, we really have no choice.

313295 ▶▶▶ Sir Patrick Vaccine, replying to Will, 4, #10 of 2079 🔗

Met Police Fed Chairman States Tier 4 Rules Are Nonsense & They Won’t Be knocking Doors To Check

313545 ▶▶▶ Llamasaurus Rex, replying to Will, 1, #11 of 2079 🔗

solidarity, friend.

312464 ▶▶ mattghg, replying to PWL, 13, #12 of 2079 🔗

In this case it takes two parties to agree not to comply. I’m willing to carry on with my Christmas plans but my parents aren’t having it.

312496 ▶▶▶ Dorian_Hawkmoon, replying to mattghg, 7, #13 of 2079 🔗

Yes, mattghg. That’s my experience. I’m indifferent to it all but no-one wants to play.

312760 ▶▶▶ Rowan, replying to mattghg, 5, #14 of 2079 🔗

Then they deserve the Christmas they will get.

312944 ▶▶▶ richard riewer, replying to mattghg, #15 of 2079 🔗

Pelt #10 Downing Street with Easter eggsé

312628 ▶▶ J4mes, replying to PWL, #16 of 2079 🔗

Excellent link, thank you.

312974 ▶▶ Dan Clarke, replying to PWL, #17 of 2079 🔗

Exactly, I choose, not

313737 ▶▶ Sir Patrick Vaccine, replying to PWL, 2, #18 of 2079 🔗

Sir Charles Walker Calls Out Matt Hancock On The BBC As The Host Does His Best To Run Damage Control

312251 Ovis, replying to Ovis, 143, #19 of 2079 🔗

This is not so different from what many of us wanted – the regime has opposed itself to Christmas. Surely, we thought, that would be the end because everyone will just defy the ‘rules.’

But it doesn’t look like that, because people are falling for the confected complexity of tiers and kafkaesque ‘rules.’ Instead of seeing the simple choice of comply or ignore, people – including on here – are straining their brains at minutiae and technicalities. And that is what all this confected complexity is for. It sucks us in. Clouds the issue. There’s no need or logic, even on its own terms, for the ‘system.’ It’s just smoke on bees. But effective in that function.

Comply or don’t comply. That is all.

312606 ▶▶ J4mes, replying to Ovis, 21, #20 of 2079 🔗

I agree whole-heartedly, but to not comply takes more than your own household to revolt. If your family and friends spend their lives watching BBC and Sky News, then you’ve got no choice but to inadvertently comply because you won’t be welcome round at their house (cell) for Christmas.

312767 ▶▶▶ Rowan, replying to J4mes, 10, #21 of 2079 🔗

You’re looking for an excuse and why would anyone want to be in a house full of Covid zealots. Go for a long walk instead.

313235 ▶▶▶▶ J4mes, replying to Rowan, 10, #22 of 2079 🔗

An excuse for what exactly? Let me try to be clear if I wasnt before: if you’re not welcome round at someone’s house because they’re scared of this phantom virus, you can’t exactly gate crash their home. And no, a walk with them instead is simply ignoring the problem. If this same scenario plays out for everyone in your immediate family and friend circle, how do we respond?

313839 ▶▶▶ Yawnyaman, replying to J4mes, 3, #23 of 2079 🔗

Agreed, this is not easy. Any widespread challenge begins with rule bending rather than breaking, I think

312765 ▶▶ Rowan, replying to Ovis, 11, #24 of 2079 🔗

There isn’t really a choice, the system is still coming for you, even if you comply. It is time to say no to senseless restrictions, useless testing and very dodgy vaccines.

312954 ▶▶▶ richard riewer, replying to Rowan, 8, #25 of 2079 🔗

Dodgy? They are worse than dodgy.

313429 ▶▶▶▶ Rowan, replying to richard riewer, 2, #26 of 2079 🔗

You have a very good point. Intentionally genocidal, will likely be a much more fitting description.

313029 ▶▶▶ charleyfarley, replying to Rowan, 13, #27 of 2079 🔗

I think this is true. The more freedom people give up without a fight the more the government will take. Unless we push back soon in some very effective way we will be heading towards whatever is the modern equivalent of the Gulag.

313052 ▶▶▶ Digital Nomad, replying to Rowan, 9, #28 of 2079 🔗

Experimental vaccine. Not a pedantic correction but a factual one.

314120 ▶▶▶▶ Rowan, replying to Digital Nomad, -3, #29 of 2079 🔗

Dodgy and experimental are of course, not mutually exclusive. I am though, often a lot more forthright in my description of the highly experimental, liability free, and intentionally lethal Covid-19 vaccines. Dodgy may sometimes be enough, on this knowledgeable site, but clearly that was not the case this time.

314315 ▶▶▶▶ CovidiousAlbion, replying to Digital Nomad, 3, #30 of 2079 🔗

Look up “vaccine” in a dictionary that doesn’t do Newspeak, and you’ll find the Pfizer jab isn’t actually a vaccine. It is, in fact, a genetically-engineered biological agent.

312824 ▶▶ Ben, replying to Ovis, 39, #31 of 2079 🔗

Some people are afraid of being fined by police. The anxiety pushes people to behave in a way they wouldn’t normally. There is also the Goebbelsian media threatening to name and shame rule breakers

But I know a pro-lockdown family who are breaking the rules at Christmas. They’ve spent money on food and travel arrangements and they might never see an elderly relative again, so they’re taking the chance. They chose humanity over Gov’t inhumanity

313040 ▶▶▶ SweetBabyCheeses, replying to Ben, 18, #32 of 2079 🔗

Being fined by the Police is also a choice. You don’t have to accept a FPN and can instead opt to have your case heard at Magistrates Court. I doubt very much that the CPS will ever prosecute. They were incredibly overworked already.

The best course of action would just be to stay silent. They’d need a lot more to actually arrest you. They’re afraid of wrongful arrest too as it’s humiliating for them if your detention isn’t authorised by the custody sergeant and it’s around £40k compensation for 24 hours of wrongful incarceration.

313665 ▶▶▶▶ RichardJames, replying to SweetBabyCheeses, 5, #33 of 2079 🔗

Even an unlawful arrest and search is worth about £3K. You must also push hard for a disciplinary action, if the arresting officer makes any mistakes at all, which they normally do.

Check YouTube for the procedures and advice.

314205 ▶▶▶▶ Ben, replying to SweetBabyCheeses, 1, #34 of 2079 🔗

The Law or Fiction Twitter site is pretty useless. I saw someone asking this same question on it – what if the police stop you? No answer

There’s no clear information and advice. People don’t know their rights or where they stand.

314140 ▶▶▶ Rowan, replying to Ben, 1, #35 of 2079 🔗

The “rules” should be ignored. In the unlikely even that fines will be issued then refuse to accept them and demand the case be heard in court.

312950 ▶▶ richard riewer, replying to Ovis, 9, #36 of 2079 🔗

Do Not Comply. Boris and co can take a hike. Do not feed the Beast.

313300 ▶▶ Hopeful, replying to Ovis, 34, #37 of 2079 🔗

Yes people are being distracted, wasting energy trying to knit cotton wool so to speak, instead of focusing on and sticking to what you point out as being the main issue namely, comply or don’t. There were several comments on here a few weeks ago from people saying how they avoid going to shops and places because of the masks. Some mentioned wearing a mask because they don’t like confrontation, being stared at, or feel too uncomfortable being the lone non-masker. As this tyranny gathers more pace perhaps it’s time even the most timid sceptic stepped up and literally put on a brave face, and actually demonstrated some non-compliance.

I’ll save the bother of challenging me on this for from the get-go I have not worn a mask. I’ve been the only bare face in a busy supermarket. I have been challenged all of 3 times. No shouting, no screaming, no police. I have my words ready in my head. I am aged over 70. I will not be told what to do, where to stand, sit and all the rest of the crap. I have read articles and papers on covid and covid related matters. I’ve listened to podcasts, interviews and watched numerous videos. This site and all of its links has been and is invaluable. All-in-all I consider that I’m reasonably well aware of the agendas at play and what Dr Mike Yeadon calls “convergent opportunism”. Whenever there’s an opportunity I try to put this knowledge to work talking to people. Not easy. I have tried informing my very intelligent son to little or no avail. Point is I tried and I’ll keep on trying even when it fails and it hurts. Surely if we’re sceptical, care about what’s going on and wish for it to stop, the least we can do is action these feelings and be seen not to comply.

313695 ▶▶▶ ColoradoGirl, replying to Hopeful, 3, #38 of 2079 🔗

You are a hero!

314198 ▶▶▶▶ Rowan, replying to ColoradoGirl, 3, #39 of 2079 🔗

I too am on the wrong side of seventy, though it may now be the right side, the way things are going. Like your good self, I have refused to mask up since the very outset of this unscientific and demeaning imposition. Those that wear masks for an easy life are making the situation worse and are encouraging the government to further heights of folly.

Mask compliance in shops is usually high, but I was heartened on Friday evening, when shopping in a local supermarket, as mine was only one of about a dozen bare faces. Smiles were exchanged with several of these uncowed people. Perhaps it was just a blip, but still very welcome, all the same.

314299 ▶▶▶ sam, replying to Hopeful, 1, #40 of 2079 🔗

i will try again at the store that told me my scarf was too thin [ mesh ]

isntead of ordering food to be delivered i will c all first that original store and say i found one store that will let you shop without a mask if you come inside and they will get it for you and you can pay wiht out wearing a mask at all.. the first place i asked today can i shop here without a mask? said no .

[ i said i w ant to patronise stores where you can shop with out a mask .] fir the 2nd one said yes ! i couldnt believe it ! the first time have tried my new system was jus t today . it s a start i figure .

is true we need to rebel . i will start .i never ever have worn a mask going out for walks even though often i am the only one besides a few so thats been my small rebellion from the very start back in march whatever year it was

312252 Nobody2020, replying to Nobody2020, 17, #41 of 2079 🔗

Belarus is the control…
How Belarus Exposes the Lockdown Lie

312259 ▶▶ Hugh, replying to Nobody2020, 18, #42 of 2079 🔗

This has got to form a part of Nuremberg mark II where we will hopefully find out how many of them knew this and chose to ignore it.

Presumably, this means that restrictions on attending sporting events should cease forthwtht, and that total bans on paying spectators in places like London are completely unjustified?

312264 ▶▶▶ Nigel Sherratt, replying to Hugh, 5, #43 of 2079 🔗

We sceptics will be the ones on trial once the climate trials finish and the guilty have been dispatched. I won’t make it past that stage. Greta will have the Makarov no doubt. Surely a human rights violation to have the Doom Goblin the last thing one sees.

312531 ▶▶▶▶ Dorian_Hawkmoon, replying to Nigel Sherratt, 5, #44 of 2079 🔗

Certainly a risk if the Woke gains from a covid backlash like in the US, NS. We ain’t seen nothing yet. I don’t think people grasp how much actual acceleration there is happening.

312818 ▶▶▶▶▶ Rowan, replying to Dorian_Hawkmoon, 12, #45 of 2079 🔗

I agree that things are extremely serious with the pace now quickening and it looks like they are going for broke. The Covid scam is really about global depopulation, no other explanation begins to make sense.

Worrying about Christmas arrangements, is only meant to distract our attention away from the long predicted cull, which is now looming for us all, as we head into the new year.

Refuse to obey all Covid restrictions, actively protest, do not get tested and most importantly reject all Covid-19 vaccines, the main tool of the coming genocide.

312517 ▶▶▶ Dorian_Hawkmoon, replying to Hugh, 4, #46 of 2079 🔗

The Covidberg Trials. I hope to live to see them sat bunched up like in the well known photo. But they are fiendishly skilled at kicking cans down roads. In fact faking, bullying and kicking cans down roads are prety much the core competency set, with added cronyism.

312612 ▶▶▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Dorian_Hawkmoon, 7, #47 of 2079 🔗

The scary thing that is always going to happen in two weeks time by when they have invented something else to worry us with.

312769 ▶▶▶ Rowan, replying to Hugh, 3, #48 of 2079 🔗

Not just London, expand your horizons.

313676 ▶▶ RichardJames, replying to Nobody2020, 8, #49 of 2079 🔗

The big, big smoking gun is that the President of Belarus came on TV and said to his people that he had “been told” to lockdown his country or he “wouldn’t be allowed to get the loans he wants”. The President went to Putin as thee sums were not large and Putin gave him the loans.

No lockdown. Anyone who thinks that there is no conspiracy, needs to think deeply about this.

312253 NorthumbrianNomad, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, 62, #50 of 2079 🔗

Thought I’d have a look at Peru, which no one seems to have talked about for a bit after it was Apocalypse Central during the summer. Reason is: it isn’t news any more because the epidemic has blown itself out. Flights from the US have resumed.

Remember this: regardless of what governments do or don’t do, epidemics pass. Don’t let the fear get to you.

312762 ▶▶ TyRade, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, 6, #51 of 2079 🔗

perhaps the consistent seasonal pattern of the virus explains this? Southern hemisphere summer = lower/no respiratory bugs. The hubris in pushing the ‘man made’ explanation ?(ie lockdown or not) reminds me of the Warmists obsession with man-made CO2 emission, to the exclusion of the bleeding’ obvious; natural weather cycles largely determined by sun spots and earthly natural (again) events.

312967 ▶▶▶ richard riewer, replying to TyRade, 1, #52 of 2079 🔗

Piers Corbyn, Weather Action.

312842 ▶▶ Ben, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, 4, #53 of 2079 🔗

Peru had the worst lockdowns, restrictions, face mask rules. Their health suffered because of it

312254 BuildVaccineTrust, replying to BuildVaccineTrust, 29, #54 of 2079 🔗

There is a major ethical problem with the vaccine release that isn’t being covered (and emails to lockdown skeptics go unanswered). This info is about the US, but the UK also isn’t telling people about a major risk factor:

The Emergency Use Authorization for the Pfizer vaccine, and its briefing document for the review meeting, states there is an unknown risk of future vaccine enhanced disease (which includes other potential enhancement modes and not just antibody enhancement) after the initial immunity fades:

“The Sponsor identified vaccine-associated enhanced disease including vaccine-associated enhanced respiratory disease as an important potential risk [….] risk of vaccine-enhanced disease over time, potentially associated with waning immunity, remains unknown and needs to be evaluated further in ongoing clinical trials and in observational studies that could be conducted following authorization and/or licensure.”

i.e. the study simply hasn’t gone on long enough to see if people have sterilizing immunity producing the initial good results that fades, and then when people do actually get infections: the immune response they learned from the vaccine might lead to a worse case of covid-19. Hopefully not: but the trials just haven’t run long enough to demonstrate that.

Yet the FDA isn’t telling patients about this risk, nor is the media. The FDA’s fact sheet for recipients of the Pfizer vaccine for covid-19 is here and there isn’t a peep about it:

Nor is there in its doc for healthcare providers, nor is it in the UK’s NHS or Canadian equivalents.

An International Journal of Clinical Practice article on
“Informed consent disclosure to vaccine trial subjects of risk of COVID‐19 vaccines worsening clinical disease”

explains that the vaccine trials didn’t meet medical ethics standards regarding fully informed consent since the issue of vaccine enhanced disease wasn’t explained in a way they’d comprehend. The FDA’s information doesn’t even mention it, let alone explain it in the way people comprehend, which seems an obviously major violation of medical ethics. Its also doesn’t make sense: since enough people will likely risk it anyway, but they should get that choice because even some experts wouldn’t yet.

If they don’t correct this soon, and chalk it up to an oversight in the rush to get this out the door: it risks a backlash in a few months if the public becomes generally aware of it, akin to the backlash after the Tuskegee study where participants weren’t fully informed. They’ll wonder: “If you didn’t tell us about this risk, what else aren’t you telling us, why should we trust it?”. People can understand that trials are still ongoing: they won’t understand not informing them of risks since it looks like a coverup, even if in theory they could have hunted through the FDA’s more technical documents to find it.

Experts apparently don’t agree on the magnitude of the risk: which is why its particularly important for it to be disclosed for public debate.

Media in countries hit hard by COVID-19 haven’t called attention to the issue to date. In contrast a Japanese paper quoted the director of the Japanese Society of Clinical Virology: “Concerns over ADE still remain. I am an elderly person myself, but if I were asked, I would say I don’t want to get a shot.” Elsewhere he explained: “In the past, a dengue vaccine proved effective in tests and was widely used, but then it worsened symptoms for people who were still getting infected.”. A leading professor of Immunology testified to Japan’s House of Representatives: “There’s no doubt that their effectiveness is quite high, but their safety is not guaranteed at all”.

Its also the case that many studies *do* see concerns over potential vaccine enhanced disease in this case. Severe covid isn’t due to a lack of immune response: but a dysfunctional immune response. One study termed it an “uncoordinated” response. Will the response that occurs after the vaccine fades be a functional one, or an “uncoordinated” one? That paper suggests there is a risk that vaccines that only target the spike may be at risk of vaccine enhanced disease. Regardless, since they don’t understand fully the broken response with severe covid-19, its unclear how they can yet be certain what the odds are the vaccine will be more or less likely to trigger a broken immune response that leads to severe illness. Hopefully not: the tests just haven’t gone on long enough to demonstrate it.

The links to the various studies I mentioned are on BuildVaccineTrust.com where I put together information out of frustration that I didn’t see it being addressed. Its focused on government and academic journal links and expert references for people to evaluate themselves.

312256 ▶▶ Hugh, replying to BuildVaccineTrust, 19, #55 of 2079 🔗

So just to be clear, are these vaccine trials as rigged and duplicitous as the ones for vitamin D that PHE etc. supported?

Presumably, media headlines should be more along the lines of “risky vaccine rushed out for those desperate enough to be guinea pigs” rather than “wonder vaccine arrives to save us all”?

312404 ▶▶ Cristi.Neagu, replying to BuildVaccineTrust, 16, #56 of 2079 🔗

Is this a surprise after Bill Gates left 490,000 paralysed children in India in the wake of his polio vaccination campaign, making vaccine-strain polio more common these days than wild polio.

312650 ▶▶▶ malasdair, replying to Cristi.Neagu, -2, #57 of 2079 🔗

I believe that rumour was started by Kennedy and has been debunked…just to bring some balance to things.

312715 ▶▶▶▶ George L, replying to malasdair, 8, #58 of 2079 🔗

Debunked by who exactly???.. a representative of the BMG Foundation perhaps!.

Kennedy’s a lawyer, he’d know full well what actions could be taken against him for such a libel.

Oh, and by the way, the internet is/has being deep cleaned of Gates Indian debacle. I wonder why???

312973 ▶▶▶▶ richard riewer, replying to malasdair, 4, #59 of 2079 🔗

Do not forget that Mr Gates wants vaccines for every man woman and child on Earth. Yearly, if necessary.

313683 ▶▶▶▶▶ RichardJames, replying to richard riewer, 2, #60 of 2079 🔗

Gates has been slung out of parts of Africa and India, so he can’t exactly be flavour of the month.

312255 NorthumbrianNomad, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, 39, #61 of 2079 🔗

Regarding South Africa, it seems that the claim by the ANC that new strain there is more dangerous to young people is a attempt to rein in beach parties, which in some areas have started to exhibit characteristics of political protest. Frighten the young is the new strategy in the Rainbow Nation.

312265 ▶▶ Nigel Sherratt, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, 1, #62 of 2079 🔗

Relaxing by the European Ocean (old SA joke).

312311 ▶▶ Liewe, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, 9, #63 of 2079 🔗

Yes, this warning regarding young people is based on “anecdotal evidence from doctors” that they are seeing severe disease in young healthy people. Who needs data from hospitals exploring age stratified hospitalization rates to confirm this statement? We believe all politicians!

312867 ▶▶ Ben, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, 2, #64 of 2079 🔗

The political class seek to deter human interaction, congregation, the spread of ideas. We are the virus and they hate us

312978 ▶▶▶ richard riewer, replying to Ben, #65 of 2079 🔗

We are the antidote to their Mind Control Game.

312257 Bartleby, replying to Bartleby, 43, #66 of 2079 🔗

On the subject of the new strain, there’s a website resource which has been monitoring all of the strains which you can find here:


You can hover over the strains that have developed – hopefully the link and settings I’ve posted will take you to the strains in Europe and at the top right you should find this VUI202012/01 that today’s blog talks about.

You can also click on it to get more information.

Here’s what it says:

UK reports new variant, termed VUI 202012/01 The United Kingdom reported a new variant, termed VUI 202012/01 (Variant Under Investigation, year 2020, month 12, variant 01). It was defined by multiple spike protein mutations (deletion 69-70, deletion 144-145, N501Y, A570D, D614G, P681H, T716I, S982A, D1118H). There are currently 24,746 viruses from the UK in GISAID EpiCoV with a collection date since 1. November. A small fraction of them, about 6% (all from clade GR) share several of these mutations. Based on evaluation of effect on virus structure and function, the most relevant might be N501Y (orange in Figure; host receptor and antibody binding, also reported at gisaid.org/spike) and the deletions (cyan in Figure) in positions contributing to potential spike surface variation (Y145del is where some antibodies like neutralizing 4A8 bind).
The other mutations (blue in Figure) are further down the structure and their effect is less clear. There is also an early NS8 Q27stop codon in these strains which could be relevant as ORF8 deletions have been seen before for this virus (including in Singapore, notably resulting in attenuation). As seen on many occasions before, mutations are naturally expected for viruses and are most often simply neutral regional markers useful for contact tracing. The mutations seen have rarely been affecting viral fitness and almost never affect clinical outcome but the detailed effects of these mutations remain to be determined fully.


Now as a layman I take about 4 things from the text explanation.

1) It isn’t that new, and other mutations ‘share several’ characteristics with this one.

2) The most relevant mutation in this one “might be” a change to antibody binding, which doesn’t sound that great, but it’s clear it is a “might be”. (Can anyone with relevant expertise confirm what the impact of the binding and mention of where some antibodies like neutralizing might be?)

3 One of the mutations has been seen before, in Singapore, “notably resulting in attenuation” (Attenuation: the reduction of the force, effect, or value of something.)

4) Such mutations are expected and ‘rarely affect viral fitness’ and ‘almost never affect clinical outcome’ which sounds like there is no reason to be unduly alarmed.

I also have to say that the explanation, even for a layman, sounds like the sort of science we used to have. It appears factual, acknowledges what it can’t be sure about and supports the conclusions it draws with evidence. All of which seems a far cry from the kind of behavioural and political science we have seen during this year in the UK particularly.

If I’m right that the antibody binding issue might be something which helps the virus spread more, then it’s just as fair that the issue of attenuation gets mentioned and the fact that a cautious judgement which says such mutations ‘almost never’ affect the clinical outcome should also get equal attention.

In fact, if you look at what it says as a whole, isn’t that actually positive? Antibodies have to learn some new tricks to neutralize, hence an easier to spread virus, but then also a potential attenuated virus. Wouldn’t that imply more people building up immunity of some sort to a weaker strain – much like a traditional vaccine would aim for?

Grateful to anyone who can improve my layman’s interpretation?

312279 ▶▶ Bungle, replying to Bartleby, 2, #67 of 2079 🔗

You are spot on, brother!

312291 ▶▶ p02099003, replying to Bartleby, 6, #68 of 2079 🔗

In essence you are correct. Speaking from a point of ignorance, this suggests that there are subtle changes to the antigen proteins. This would suggest that the immune response has to effectively restart with the innate system, Macrophages and other white cells in the tissues removing the new strain (which would be competing with previous strains to infect host cells), dendritic cells initiating T cell and B cell production. B cells create the antibodies. The adaptive immune system takes a few days to respond. Vaccines use either attenuated or inactive pathogens.

312258 Ceci, replying to Ceci, 108, #69 of 2079 🔗

They have been planning this for months

Let everyone spend their money and then cancel it


How can a law be passed when parliament is not sitting?

More than enough evidence to have the pig dictator and his litter arrested

312497 ▶▶ Ben Shirley, replying to Ceci, 25, #70 of 2079 🔗

I said in an e-mail to an American pen-friend back in July: “I forecast another lockdown before the end of the year, timed to undermine Christmas.”

Just saying, I called it.

312984 ▶▶ richard riewer, replying to Ceci, 1, #71 of 2079 🔗

Cancel them.

312989 ▶▶▶ richard riewer, replying to richard riewer, 1, #72 of 2079 🔗

Alll of them.

312996 ▶▶ Gerard Hurst, replying to Ceci, 5, #73 of 2079 🔗

Hmm. I have considered taking money out of current accounts. Who knows what ‘haircuts’ are round the corner? If enough did this, they would soon change their tune.

313833 ▶▶▶ Yawnyaman, replying to Gerard Hurst, 2, #74 of 2079 🔗

Already, there is a huge movement to cash, scaring the Bank of England, as this is deemed to encourage money laundering and criminal finance..

312263 Hugh, replying to Hugh, 31, #75 of 2079 🔗

“Viruses evolve towards strains that are more transmissible but which cause mild or no disease”.

If this is the case with the new strain, what is their excuse? Will they ease restrictions tomorrow, and if not, why not?

312390 ▶▶ Will, replying to Hugh, 17, #76 of 2079 🔗

They are shitting themselves about their precious fucking vaccine.

312267 chaos, replying to chaos, 15, #77 of 2079 🔗

Caught shopping yesterday evening after the pig dictator’s announcement. Mask pulled up high as if he really didn’t want to be recognised. Or he wears a mask like he claps or drinks water. Like how Wanksock sits.

312288 ▶▶ wendyk, replying to chaos, 14, #78 of 2079 🔗

Does he sleep in a coffin?

312328 ▶▶▶ annie, replying to wendyk, 16, #79 of 2079 🔗

Lead me to it, with a stake and a hammer.

312351 ▶▶▶▶ wendyk, replying to annie, 5, #80 of 2079 🔗

I’ll join you!

312997 ▶▶▶▶ richard riewer, replying to annie, 2, #81 of 2079 🔗

Take Von Helsing with you.

312505 ▶▶▶ anon, replying to wendyk, 3, #82 of 2079 🔗

soon enough one might hope

312268 Judy watson, 34, #83 of 2079 🔗

Read the DM this morning about yet more ‘tiering’ – absolutely appaling and I am very sorry for those of you who have had your christmas plans ruined.
For those of you who have the means to go somewhere and are happy to accept any risk therefrom I say please, please just go.

On another note I rea in the Dm about the protests in London and Newcastle-upon-Tyne. NO mention of this on the beeb – quelle surprise – not.

312269 chaos, replying to chaos, 4, #84 of 2079 🔗

Out of interest.. anyone else got the 3 little birds by Bob Marley song stuck in their heads?

312272 ▶▶ anon, replying to chaos, 2, #85 of 2079 🔗

I have now!

312270 wendyk, replying to wendyk, 36, #86 of 2079 🔗


I’m speechless! Chris Whitty mugs! Mugs buy mugs.

Meanwhile, here in joyous Sturgeonland: one day only, bring your own cutlery and celebrate safely , 2 metres apart, outside, in the pouring rain!

What utter, utter misery, madness and control creepery.

Local businesses forced to close, yet again, for 3 weeks from Boxing Day; how many will survive this latest assault?

312282 ▶▶ Hugh, replying to wendyk, 14, #87 of 2079 🔗

Wasn’t there a school in Scotland that forced children to stand outside in atrocious weather? What madness!

It’s going to be hell when the economic consequences of all this start to hit home.

312389 ▶▶▶ Robin, replying to Hugh, 13, #88 of 2079 🔗

I don’t know about this school but there’s a GP practice in Exmouth that has its patients standing outside in the cold & wet before being allowed inside. That must make the sainted clinicians feel really good about how they’re protecting the NHS

312639 ▶▶▶▶ Richym99, replying to Robin, 7, #89 of 2079 🔗

I have waited outside mine for fifteen minutes recently, along with four otherx. The door is locked and you are only allowed in once the receptionist takes your temperature. When I was allowed in, ten minutes after my appointment time, the waiting area was empyy.

312405 ▶▶▶ Basics, replying to Hugh, 10, #90 of 2079 🔗

This is not a single school. Its been in local press here and there. Parents making attempts to right the wrong. School banning coats in the classroom, children wearing them because its freezing literally and the windows are open. Something elsewhere about a child who was kept next to the open window despite complaining, etc. Risk assessments are a thing of the past. But then so is edication with the removal of exams as learning targets replaced by nothing. Scottish schools are going online in the new year with a staggered return, a staggered return just think on that for bollocks.

312466 ▶▶▶▶ Sodastream, replying to Basics, 4, #91 of 2079 🔗

Secondary schools in England are doing the same staggering when they go back and learning online. Only year 11 going back after Xmas and no word when the rest go back yet.

312437 ▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to Hugh, 17, #92 of 2079 🔗

There’s been loads of reports. There was one school who forced its students to eat their lunch in the pouring rain, another refused to let its students change out of their damp PE uniform and those are only the two I remember.

These schools should be charged with child abuse and closed down.

312490 ▶▶▶▶ Ken Gardner, replying to Bart Simpson, 7, #93 of 2079 🔗

Why are the parents not battering down the door of the head teacher’s office?

313239 ▶▶▶▶▶ Spikedee1, replying to Ken Gardner, 1, #94 of 2079 🔗

Probably because they are so stupid they think this is the right thing to do to their kids.

313718 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Borisbullshit, replying to Spikedee1, 1, #95 of 2079 🔗

Glad I never had any kids….there would be a few battered teachers around.

313447 ▶▶▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to Ken Gardner, 1, #96 of 2079 🔗

Good question. If I was a parent I would be marching to the school armed with an AK-47 or a machete.

Being shot or hacked to death is the least these head teachers deserve.

313892 ▶▶▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Ken Gardner, #97 of 2079 🔗

They need the babysitting so they can go to work to pay the rent!

312949 ▶▶ skybluesam, replying to wendyk, 1, #98 of 2079 🔗

They actually call Chris witty “calm and reassuring” in that article. The mans a hysterical ninnie!

312271 chaos, replying to chaos, 12, #99 of 2079 🔗

If you pull down Boris’s trousers.. you’ll see his filthy philandering herpes-infected package pressing against his fat pants.

If you pull down Kier’s underpants, you find shiny hard plastic. Like a Barbie doll.

312395 ▶▶ Ovis, replying to chaos, 5, #100 of 2079 🔗

If you pull down Boris’s pants, you will see Keir Starmer’s phlanged out knee-taking legs emergent from from Boris’s arse. Starmer is Johnson’s ludicrous butt plug.

313544 ▶▶▶ dhid, replying to Ovis, #101 of 2079 🔗

Oooh er missus! As someone once said! LOL!

312441 ▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to chaos, 2, #102 of 2079 🔗

Oh my eyes!!!! :O :O :O

312274 annie, replying to annie, 54, #103 of 2079 🔗

Awake at 4.30 in Belsen Wales, despite taking a sleeping pill.
Still quivering and shuddering with misery and rage.

312276 ▶▶ chaos, replying to annie, 30, #104 of 2079 🔗

I can’t sleep either. Hang in there. Boris will be gone soon. And this unworkable madness will come to a halt.

312290 ▶▶▶ annie, replying to chaos, 16, #105 of 2079 🔗

I’llhang on.

313006 ▶▶▶ richard riewer, replying to chaos, 2, #106 of 2079 🔗

Boris can easily be replaced. We need a Great Reset.

313458 ▶▶▶ Rowan, replying to chaos, 6, #107 of 2079 🔗

I’d like to think you are right, but it seems unlikely. This is a global scam and the hapless Johnson has only a bit part. Getting rid of Johnson is only a good first step, but by itself it won’t be anywhere near enough to stop the madness.

312306 ▶▶ Angryphon of Tunbridge Wells, replying to annie, 11, #108 of 2079 🔗

Up all night in Wales albeit working sadly the drugs don’t work for me any longer.I lose myself late at night with the Devils lettuce with my mate Glen Mr fiddich.

312429 ▶▶▶ Chris John, replying to Angryphon of Tunbridge Wells, 3, #109 of 2079 🔗

Make THC tincture with your lettuces

312319 ▶▶ KBuchanan, replying to annie, 6, #110 of 2079 🔗

Same here in the South East , average 5 hours sleep most nights.

312360 ▶▶ TJN, replying to annie, 10, #111 of 2079 🔗

God bless you Annie. Maybe He’s closer right now than ever, more so than in quieter times when all seemed well.

312374 ▶▶ Sara, replying to annie, 27, #112 of 2079 🔗

The light shines in the darkness and the darkness has not understood it. (John 1,5)

We show that light in our humanity; our love for each other. Keep shining, everyone.

312532 ▶▶▶ Alethea, replying to Sara, 9, #113 of 2079 🔗

Thank you, Sara, that’s lovely.

312636 ▶▶▶ Dorian_Hawkmoon, replying to Sara, 9, #114 of 2079 🔗

I hadn’t heard that one, Sara. Thanks. It chimes with a taoist darkness not being understood by the light, where people do not understand how malicious world governments are being. But the light will prevail. We will all see the darkness for what it is.

313009 ▶▶▶ richard riewer, replying to Sara, 1, #115 of 2079 🔗

John Lennon Live Instant Karma

312551 ▶▶ PaulH, replying to annie, 8, #116 of 2079 🔗

Hugs, annie. Hang in there.

Good times pass and so do bad times – and tyrranical leaders.

312622 ▶▶ Dorian_Hawkmoon, replying to annie, 6, #117 of 2079 🔗

I often wake in the night now and always wake with a sense of having passed the night with a threatening presence above me. I try to armour myself each day but it is also exhausting to have to do so. Stay strong.

312899 ▶▶ Mutineer, replying to annie, 4, #118 of 2079 🔗

Me, too. Never been so bloody angry. I could kill!!!!

313705 ▶▶ Cheshirecatslave, replying to annie, 1, #119 of 2079 🔗

I’m muttering operatic curses under my breath. Ring Cycle fury!

312277 1stJamie, replying to 1stJamie, 14, #120 of 2079 🔗

Couldn’t sleep.
Just read Prof Brookes guest post and while I agree with ‘the science’ that;
“This new variant (If it actually exists!) is most likely just an “asymptomatic variant”, i.e., a strain that causes no or very mild illness”
“All viruses naturally evolve towards strains that are more transmissible but which cause mild or no disease”
HOWEVER I strongly disagree with what Brookes next states that;
“By lockdown and Test and Trace we have accelerated that natural process dramatically”
How can asymptomatic transmission of a less deadly variant of a virus be accelerated unless you allow natural human interaction to occur, which we have successfully been doing for thousands of years?
We’ve just spent (well I haven’t) most of 2020 socially distancing ourselves. Lockdowns have delayed the natural aymptomatic tranmission of these less deadly variants throughout the summer months not acceleated.
Now I definitley won’t get back to sleep.
Did Toby?Will not proof read Prof Brookes thesis before posting?
Or have I misread it?

312329 ▶▶ maggie may, replying to 1stJamie, 4, #121 of 2079 🔗

I didn’t understand that either! Would be nice to get some more detail on how that actually worked. (assuming it did)

312381 ▶▶ TJN, replying to 1stJamie, 6, #122 of 2079 🔗

Yes, that reads all wrong. By my understanding the lockdown crap actually retards the development and spread of lesser variants.

John Lee wrote on this in The Spectator back in early May.


Selected quotes:

Covid-19 is caused by a single-stranded RNA virus, a type particularly susceptible to copying errors. So much so, in fact, that viruses of this group are often referred to as ‘quasi-species’ because they are so variable. It’s likely that some particles of this virus infect their victims with a slightly less severe form of Covid-19, making them less ill. And so, on average, those people will be more likely to continue with their normal daily activities outside of a lockdown, going to work or out shopping. In short, they will be more likely to spread the virus to others.

the particles that cause more severe Covid-19 disease will be spread less since the people who feel worse will circulate less. Hence the evolutionary effect: more severe versions of a new virus tend to decrease quite quickly over time, because the milder versions get spread around more. But change the circumstances — change the environment in which the virus exists — and it could go the other way.

All of this raises an important question: might lockdown be frustrating a helpful evolutionary tendency of the virus, as well as economically hindering our ability to deal with it?

Standard quick-but-superficial sequencing methods have already revealed more than 4,000 mutations in the virus.

such a maelstrom of mutation going on below the surface of standard detection methods, it is entirely possible that an intervention as drastic as lockdown could be having negative effects on the evolution of the virus itself that we don’t appreciate.

312462 ▶▶▶ Nigel Sherratt, replying to TJN, 5, #123 of 2079 🔗

Interesting thanks, scratching my head at that bit in the article. Similar effect of lockdown making things worse for the vulnerable by increasing their relative mobility and impeding the growth of community immunity.

O, what a tangled web we weave …

312642 ▶▶ JanMasarykMunich, replying to 1stJamie, 1, #124 of 2079 🔗

That was certainly exactly my thought when I read it.

313210 ▶▶ helen, replying to 1stJamie, 1, #125 of 2079 🔗

Professor Anthony Brookes, Professor of Bioinformatics and Genomics at Leicester.

Big data… Genomics… Bioinformatics … covid… vaccines…commonPass ????

£54 million funding to transform health through data science 9 February 2018
Leicester is part of partnership bringing world-class expertise to benefit patients and populations (Adapted from a press release by Health Data Research UK)
Health Data Research UK is awarding £30 million funding to six sites across the UK – including Leicester – to address challenging healthcare issues through use of data science.

313897 ▶▶ ajb97b, replying to 1stJamie, 1, #126 of 2079 🔗

I think I can explain Brookes’ statement that
“By lockdown and Test and Trace we have accelerated that natural process dramatically”.

The “natural process” being “accelerated” is given in his preceding sentence, namely “All viruses naturally evolve towards strains that are more transmissible but which cause mild or no disease.”

Lockdown obviously retards the spread of the virus overall, but that will be proportionally have a far bigger effect on strains that do not transmit very efficiently. Such strains have a low “R” value, and so are more easily pushed to below 1 (i.e., they die out). Thus, lockdown gives a selective advantage to strains that “are more transmissible”, i.e., have far higher “R” values.

Likewise for Test and Trace. This suppression effort works by detecting symptomatic people and stopping them spreading whatever strain they contained, i.e., strains that cause symptoms. People carrying strains that do not cause symptoms will not be picked up by Test and Trace, and so those strains “which cause mild or no disease” will be given a relative selective advantage.

312278 Bungle, replying to Bungle, 43, #127 of 2079 🔗

Many Socialists support LS wholeheartedly so can you please stop talking about us in derogatory language. We are not ‘left’or ‘woke’; we are people committed to working together for the good of all. Language of the playground helps nobody. Thanks.

312285 ▶▶ 1stJamie, replying to Bungle, 15, #128 of 2079 🔗

I’ve never understood left or right wing arguments.
I thought there was just right and wrong.

312409 ▶▶▶ Biker, replying to 1stJamie, 1, #129 of 2079 🔗

Lol, who decides what is right and wrong?

312424 ▶▶▶▶ Chris John, replying to Biker, #130 of 2079 🔗

The correct ines

312627 ▶▶▶▶ 1stJamie, replying to Biker, 4, #131 of 2079 🔗

Usually over a pint or open and reasoned debate where both sides are given the same amount of air time. Or we could just censor one side of the argument and win that way.

313015 ▶▶▶▶ richard riewer, replying to Biker, #132 of 2079 🔗


312289 ▶▶ Hugh, replying to Bungle, 23, #133 of 2079 🔗

I’ve known socialists who are thoroughly decent people, and in fact, the party that my friend Teresa Smith (rip) stood for (a former Labour party member who got disillusioned with them post John Smith), is campaigning for an easing of current restrictions, and I’m sure there are many socialists who are appalled at the events of this year, and likewise the sellout of the Guardian and Labour to big pharma (seemingly).

Obviously, there are people from across the political (and philosophical and religious) spectrum who follow this website, and as such opinions on some matters will differ, but this is after all first and foremost an anti-lockdown site. Let’s try and come together a bit against a common (and very powerful) enemy, yeah? We don’t need anything remotely reminiscent of 77th brigade etc.

312480 ▶▶▶ Bella Donna, replying to Hugh, 7, #134 of 2079 🔗

Whether your politics are right or left, I think we can all agree we are under attack from a common enemy, and for that reason we should all come together, we will be stronger if we do.

We are the many, they are few!

313530 ▶▶▶▶ Rowan, replying to Bella Donna, 3, #135 of 2079 🔗

Right or left is a deliberate distraction and stinks of the shameful 77th Brigade. The common enemy is government in all its many guises.

313060 ▶▶▶ charleyfarley, replying to Hugh, 2, #136 of 2079 🔗

Well said. The loss of our freedoms is so fundamental that it transcends normal politics. When freedom is returned so can normal political life.

313638 ▶▶▶▶ ConstantBees, replying to charleyfarley, 2, #137 of 2079 🔗

Ah, I long for that day, although my former left-wing self died with the lockdowns. I’ll have to work out a new political identity. I’ve started reading all kinds of books by people from perspectives I never would have considered before.

312294 ▶▶ RyanM, replying to Bungle, 13, #138 of 2079 🔗

Problem here is that the covid “crisis” is an absolute dream come true for people who want to usher in socialism. If you disagree with this madness, you may not really be a socialist. I say that to a lot of my liberal friends. Do you want X? Do you want Y? Well… You may actually be a conservative. You just need to learn more about it.

Try Henry Hazlitt’s fantastic “Economics in One Lesson,” for a great book about why centralized planning will always fail miserably.

Try “The Gulag Archipelago” for why socialism leads to tyranny, slavery, and murder.

312548 ▶▶▶ LS99, replying to RyanM, 6, #139 of 2079 🔗

I’ve been thinking about reading The Gulag Archipelago for a while and just clicked on Amazon to read some reviews. Here is a paragraph from one written in 2018:

” The problem with what we encounter in ‘The Gulag Archipelago’ is that it seems so extreme that we almost cannot identify with it. We think that it cannot possibly have any direct relevance to the West, and what is happening here.”

How quaint that sounds now.

312687 ▶▶▶▶ J4mes, replying to LS99, 1, #140 of 2079 🔗

I recommend it, just don’t buy it from Amazon, please.

313641 ▶▶▶▶ ConstantBees, replying to LS99, #141 of 2079 🔗

I started reading it but it was hard going, not just because it sounded like our future to come.

313020 ▶▶▶ richard riewer, replying to RyanM, #142 of 2079 🔗

Oscar Wilde was a Socialist.

313025 ▶▶▶▶ John P, replying to richard riewer, #143 of 2079 🔗

nobody’s perfect

313809 ▶▶▶▶ RyanM, replying to richard riewer, #144 of 2079 🔗

I don’t hate him. But I’m not a fan. George Bernard Shaw was also a socialist.

312307 ▶▶ annie, replying to Bungle, 25, #145 of 2079 🔗

Hear, hear.
This is a battle of good against evil. We are on the side of good. Any other consideration is, for the moment, irrelevant.

312317 ▶▶ Fingerache Philip., replying to Bungle, 6, #146 of 2079 🔗

Well said, Bungle; I amongst many, many others saw police brutality against protesters in the 60’s.

312452 ▶▶▶ Nigel Sherratt, replying to Fingerache Philip., #147 of 2079 🔗

I saw it in 2018, the tooled up goons itching for some action, but it didn’t make me a socialist.

313538 ▶▶▶▶ Rowan, replying to Nigel Sherratt, 2, #148 of 2079 🔗

Its’s about the corrupt government nothing else matters.

313503 ▶▶▶ dhid, replying to Fingerache Philip., #149 of 2079 🔗

They were probably only “home grown” then, not imported for the purpose as has been alluded to elsewhere, before.

At my local airport (civilian) all week, a military type aircraft with unusual markings I don’t recall seeing before, but I couldn’t see clearly from the car as I drove past, has come and gone several times before the weekend.

I drove past a little earlier and it has gone. I suppose any imports for “service” would likely be brought in via military base.

Probably not connected, but it might be.

312324 ▶▶ Londo Mollari, replying to Bungle, 6, #150 of 2079 🔗

I agree. There is a difference between the traditional Left and the new “woke” lot. I have thought for years that it is much easier to argue for “sexual rights” than get an employer to give workers a pay rise, but you can make the sexual stuff sound virtuous, better even than a mere rise in the amount of filthy lucre you get. I used to be a Lib Dem, proud of being anti war and then Nick Clegg and his crowd hijacked the party, became neo-liberal and pro-war, and pretended to be progressive by promoting gay marriage.

312352 ▶▶ TJN, replying to Bungle, 15, #151 of 2079 🔗

This transcends left v. right. We are fighting for the privilege simply to have any such debate in future.

313021 ▶▶▶ richard riewer, replying to TJN, 2, #152 of 2079 🔗

It’s not a privilege, it’s a right.

313097 ▶▶▶▶ Biker, replying to richard riewer, 1, #153 of 2079 🔗

who decides on rights?

313869 ▶▶▶▶▶ TJN, replying to Biker, 1, #154 of 2079 🔗

In the absence of Law, might is right.

313867 ▶▶▶▶ TJN, replying to richard riewer, #155 of 2079 🔗

Used to be a right. Not sure it is any more though. And our press and politicians don’t seem to care.

312365 ▶▶ TC, replying to Bungle, 3, #156 of 2079 🔗

Like Brexit,attitudes towards lockdown et al cut across party lines.
At the moment I think a true Trotskyist party might be a viable candidate for power in this country looking at the alternatives.
Is The Official Monster Raving Loony Party still going as they might get a shock next time and win some seats.
Agree with you that old rivalries be put aside for a common good – a bit like the Viet Minh fighting the Japanese and then back to fighting the French from certainly New Years Eve 1945 as my grandfather’s officer sold his small unit’s Sten guns on the black market in Saigon to buy booze for his men.

312657 ▶▶▶ JanMasarykMunich, replying to TC, 5, #157 of 2079 🔗

I was under the impression that the The Monster Raving Loony Party are already running the country now…

313022 ▶▶▶▶ John P, replying to JanMasarykMunich, 2, #158 of 2079 🔗

No, they’d be doing a much better job.

313643 ▶▶▶▶▶ ConstantBees, replying to John P, 1, #159 of 2079 🔗

I’d like Lord Buckethead myself.

312406 ▶▶ Biker, replying to Bungle, 8, #160 of 2079 🔗

I considered for a second there if i should mount a diatribe against socialism but what would be the point. We’re now living under it so we’ll see how it goes. By 2030 they’ve told us, no more property rights, no cars, no fossil fuels. You’ll get your wish.

312436 ▶▶ Nigel Sherratt, replying to Bungle, #161 of 2079 🔗

You’ll get it right one day, good luck!

312656 ▶▶ Newmill Mark, replying to Bungle, #162 of 2079 🔗

“A golden rule: we must judge men, not by their opinions, but by what these opinions make of them…” – Georg Christoph Lichtenberg 

312662 ▶▶ Dorian_Hawkmoon, replying to Bungle, 4, #163 of 2079 🔗

I note your point. I thought I was on the (traditional) left til the new holy trinity of the Woke, the Climate and the Holy EU came along. The left orthodoxy now scares me and has led me to re-evaluate where the (graph) axes lie. Still trying to figure it. I resist ad hominems but I shall call out left BS when I see it because frankly it usually isn’t socialism nowadays except where it is stalinist. It is ideological scripture.

312682 ▶▶ J4mes, replying to Bungle, 5, #164 of 2079 🔗

I don’t think you do yourself any favours pigeon-holing yourself into a political label that only serves to divide people.

313647 ▶▶▶ ConstantBees, replying to J4mes, 1, #165 of 2079 🔗

I still consider myself to be on the left, but it’s more from force of habit, and because I like to think that decent people can be left wing as well. That certainly was true 60 years ago when I was a girl.

313633 ▶▶ ConstantBees, replying to Bungle, 2, #166 of 2079 🔗

If it’s any consolation, there are plenty of us on the left on this site. I agree the left-bashing does get tiresome. I go away for a while when the negativity starts to get to me. It does seem counterproductive to bash people who agree that lockdowns are horrific, regardless of our previous politics.

312280 RyanM, replying to RyanM, 27, #167 of 2079 🔗

“Ethan Ennals asks the awkward question in the Mail”

Asks the awkward question, and then leaves it totally unanswered as he goes on to say that “the evidence” still totally supports masks (basically, it’s your own fault for not wearing it right), and besides, what harm do they do?

Fuck that. But it’s the new state of “the science.” Ignore all evidence that doesn’t support your preferred policy…

312292 ▶▶ wendyk, replying to RyanM, 20, #168 of 2079 🔗

My thoughts exactly: sitting on the mask fence.

Incidentally, the maskademic is spreading rapidly here; now worn by most people in the open air.


312514 ▶▶▶ Alan P, replying to wendyk, 5, #169 of 2079 🔗

Like bulbs of garlic to ward off vampires. Medieval Eastern European practices in a 21st century setting.

312655 ▶▶▶▶ Al C, replying to Alan P, 9, #170 of 2079 🔗

Garlic far more effective vs viruses than masks!

312888 ▶▶▶▶ Ben, replying to Alan P, 5, #171 of 2079 🔗

Freshly crushed garlic is extremely potent. It was known as natural penicillin in WW2 and was used when stocks of antibiotics ran out. The antibacterial and antiviral volatile compound allicin is activated when fresh garlic is physically damaged and stays potent for approx half an hour

313489 ▶▶▶▶▶ dhid, replying to Ben, 3, #172 of 2079 🔗

And apart from the medicinal benefit, the eating of some garlic toast just before shopping, may ward off “Covidicus Marshalus” a modern plague.

312368 ▶▶ TC, replying to RyanM, 7, #173 of 2079 🔗

His argument is like the one about increasing police powers and increased surveillance in particular:”if you’ve done nothing wrong then you’ve nothing to worry about”.

313033 ▶▶▶ richard riewer, replying to TC, 1, #174 of 2079 🔗

All the petty tyrants and authoritarians are crawling out of the wooodwork now.

313318 ▶▶▶ Edward, replying to TC, 1, #175 of 2079 🔗

The short answer to that (preaching to the converted) is that you’ve got nothing to fear only if (a) the state is always benign, and (b) the state never makes mistakes.

313027 ▶▶ richard riewer, replying to RyanM, 1, #176 of 2079 🔗

Science? Fuddle Duddle.

312283 chaos, replying to chaos, 12, #177 of 2079 🔗

Amazing how China is having no problems…..

312296 ▶▶ Elisabeth, replying to chaos, 3, #178 of 2079 🔗

or they are but just aren’t telling anyone. The CCP has no trouble letting dissidents or “spreaders of misinformation” (i.e. those telling the truth) just disappear.Who would really notice a few 100000 missing in a country of nearly 1.5 billion?

312320 ▶▶ Burlington, replying to chaos, 6, #179 of 2079 🔗

And by all accounts partying like its 1984!

312399 ▶▶ swedenborg, replying to chaos, 3, #180 of 2079 🔗

Interesting article here about China’s manipulatin

Now in the NYT https://www.nytimes.com/2020/12/19/technology/china-coronavirus-censorship.html
The essence of the article can be read here

312400 ▶▶ Saved To Death, replying to chaos, 4, #181 of 2079 🔗

I think being under the occupation of the CCP is a pretty big problem.

312408 ▶▶ Ovis, replying to chaos, 9, #182 of 2079 🔗

The CCP is brutal but rational. They declared victory and stopped being silly. Exactly as Western countries should have done.

312284 Londo Mollari, replying to Londo Mollari, 21, #183 of 2079 🔗

I think comparisons of Boris (or Drakeford or Sturgeon) with Oliver Cromwell are misleading. The real parallel is with King Charles I, the King who waged war on his own people. The “man of blood,” as he was characterised in his day, and for which he was appropriately tried and punished.

How much blood is on the hands of our so-called leaders, and when will they be brought to account by anyone? The CRG and others are – so far at least – acting like the Petainists in Vichy France.

312295 ▶▶ annie, replying to Londo Mollari, 22, #184 of 2079 🔗

I agree.
Dungford is very like Charles I. Both wage merciless, murderous, treacherous war on their own people..Both are totally convinced that they can never be wrong and tnat the suffering they inflict in their bone-headed self-righteousness is the fault of the sufferers.
‘A king and a subject are two clean different things,’ said Charles on the scaffold. He never learned. If he’d lived to be a hundred, he’d still not have learned and he’d still have spread destruction and called it God’s will.
There are two differences. First, Charles recognised one who was greater than he: Almighty God. Dungford recognises no superior and is utterly without any moral compsss whatsoever.
Secondly, Charles had virtues: personal fidelity, personal courage, dignity. Dungford has no virtues whatsoever.

312345 ▶▶▶ TJN, replying to annie, 6, #185 of 2079 🔗

Excellent post Annie – you must have studied the Civil Wars.

I often try to think which side I would have been on, and can’t make up my mind. But it’s clear to me that the real villain was Charles I, or at least his bone-headed stupidity.

I see people like Drakeford and into my mind pops the phrase ‘the banality of evil’.

312377 ▶▶▶▶ annie, replying to TJN, 6, #186 of 2079 🔗

Yes, that phrase must have been written with Dungford in mind.
I am very interested in the Civil War(s). I would most certainly have been on Parliament’s side, but a lot of what happened immediately after the war would have disappointed and disquieted me exceedingly
One thing I find magnificent is the Putney Debates. To hear such lucid, rational, intelligent political discussion is like champagne for the brain.

312398 ▶▶▶▶▶ TJN, replying to annie, 6, #187 of 2079 🔗

Yes, I need to learn more about the Putney debates. There’s also an In Our Time podcast about it which I might listen to again today (as I’m decorating). The point is that ordinary people were in those days capable of having such debates – unlike the docile brain-dead masses of today.

I have great respect for Ireton, and can’t understand how his head later ended up on a spike.

I’m writing about an aspect of the Civil Wars in Cornwall, but the whole is such a massive subject I wouldn’t pretend that I understand the whole era thoroughly.

312629 ▶▶▶▶▶ Iansn, replying to annie, 1, #188 of 2079 🔗

bill gruff still off today, defo a paid troll. Charles never believed he woud be executed, but when the end came he was dignified. This lot would have to be dragged screaming their innocence, it wasnt me it was Whitty, just following the science

313798 ▶▶▶ jordane, replying to annie, #189 of 2079 🔗

How’s his son doing?

312331 ▶▶ Ed Phillips, replying to Londo Mollari, 6, #190 of 2079 🔗

This is why I have Cromwell’s banner as my profile picture. A reminder that tyrannical government has been swept away before.

312476 ▶▶▶ Bella Donna, replying to Ed Phillips, #191 of 2079 🔗

But Ed the common folk back in those days really suffered. Until we suffer as they suffered there will be no change.

313650 ▶▶▶▶ ConstantBees, replying to Bella Donna, 2, #192 of 2079 🔗

Just because we – you and I – aren’t suffering, Bella, doesn’t mean that there aren’t plenty of people who are right now.

313048 ▶▶▶ richard riewer, replying to Ed Phillips, #193 of 2079 🔗

Replaced by another tyranny.

312342 ▶▶ TJN, replying to Londo Mollari, 3, #194 of 2079 🔗

Yes, spot on. I’ve posted many times on here how comparisons with Cromwell are wrong.

But part of the problem we have in our society is that collectively we have forgotten our history.

312378 ▶▶▶ annie, replying to TJN, 7, #195 of 2079 🔗

It isn’t taught any more. You get Herstory and Wokestory and Projects.

313062 ▶▶▶▶ richard riewer, replying to annie, 1, #196 of 2079 🔗

You forgot ‘Love Story’.

313059 ▶▶▶ richard riewer, replying to TJN, #197 of 2079 🔗
313865 ▶▶▶▶ TJN, replying to richard riewer, #198 of 2079 🔗

Yes, Cromwell could be a nasty piece of work at times, or at least bone-chillingly ruthless.

312418 ▶▶ Ovis, replying to Londo Mollari, 2, #199 of 2079 🔗

Bojo is unfit to walk the same earth as the English Caesar.

312493 ▶▶ Bugle, replying to Londo Mollari, #200 of 2079 🔗

Good comment.

312300 Sally, 14, #201 of 2079 🔗
312301 Ceci, replying to Ceci, 38, #202 of 2079 🔗

He’s playing you

The pig dictator is playing you

In March he listened to the snake oil salesmen and the harbingers of doom and brought the covid baby into the world

A nasty poisonous little runt. The baby infects everything it comes into contact with. Covered in putrid sores it cries all night and won’t take a feed

All night he’s up tending to it, PNN has had a guts full and the shagging has stopped

Cummings and Cain didn’t come into this world to babysit and fucked off

He wants to get on with his day job but he can’t because this thing is screaming in his ear all day

He wants rid of this devil baby but nobody wants it

They say ‘Your baby mate, you brought it into the world you deal with it’

He hoped the Dolan judges would take it off his hands but they were too wise to fall for that one

He prayed the vaccine would offer some respite but that’s turned out to be bollocks

He thought Starmer might vote against and take responsibility for the little shit. Starmer doesn’t want the child of doom and is quite happy to spectate whilst the pig dictator is worn down and destroyed

Start a Christmas riot, that might do it.

Provoke a riot and see if his own party will vote to take on the responsibility for the bastard child.

Don’t fall for it folks, don’t take the baby

No, lets play the long game. I think the pig dictator deserves at least another year of child care

312303 ▶▶ Londo Mollari, replying to Ceci, 12, #203 of 2079 🔗

Actually, what you have just written sounds like a classic Greek tragedy. I am struggling however, to control my inner rioter.

312305 ▶▶▶ Ceci, replying to Londo Mollari, 3, #204 of 2079 🔗

How’s your outer rioter doing?

312315 ▶▶▶▶ Londo Mollari, replying to Ceci, 11, #205 of 2079 🔗

Restrained by my inner coward. I think I, along with the rest of my generation, lack the fortitude shown by previous generations.

313067 ▶▶▶ richard riewer, replying to Londo Mollari, 1, #206 of 2079 🔗

Please, The Saga of Bumbling Boris is not the stuff of Greek Tragedy, although Princess N N would make a great Lady Macbeth..

312477 ▶▶ arfurmo, replying to Ceci, 4, #207 of 2079 🔗

You are right but what can we actually do? We can’t force closed shops/pubs/cafes/hotels to open.

312862 ▶▶ Ben, replying to Ceci, 2, #208 of 2079 🔗

Starmer is worse. Much worse

313068 ▶▶▶ richard riewer, replying to Ben, #209 of 2079 🔗

A slimy opportunist.

312302 NorthumbrianNomad, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, 26, #210 of 2079 🔗

Even if it had been true, the claim of a terrifying new strain in South Australia would have been nonsense, as the official who announced it admitted herself: “ The other characteristic of the cases we’ve seen so far is they have had minimal symptoms and sometimes no symptoms but have been able to pass it on to other people.”

So a disease that spreads like wildfire and causes no symptoms. Colour me underwhelmed.

But it does look as though “terrifying new mutant strain” is the new wheeze governments everywhere are now hitting upon to keep up their flagging momentum.

312439 ▶▶ Girl down Under, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, 9, #211 of 2079 🔗

Too true NN, keep the people cowed and turning on each other. We are back in full lockdown on the northern beaches. People getting tested even with no symptoms, ‘got to do the right thing’ one says to the camera. A journo asked the health minister this morning how many in hospital. Question was ignored. There are 3 in NSW not in ICU. 25 in the whole country. State borders closed again. Threat after threat after threat, and people sucking it up like the brainless twerps they are. All the koolade has been drunk and dissolved the general populations ability to think and ask questions.

312308 PatrickF, replying to PatrickF, 16, #212 of 2079 🔗

I’m heading into London, by train from tier four Kent, to walk Hampstead Heath. One of the loveliest areas there is the Vale of Health.

312310 ▶▶ annie, replying to PatrickF, 4, #213 of 2079 🔗

I used to love walking on the Heath. Have a lovely time.

312312 ▶▶▶ PatrickF, replying to annie, 1, #214 of 2079 🔗

Thanks Annie. My sanity needs it!

312309 annie, replying to annie, 68, #215 of 2079 🔗

‘It isn’t as if the Nazis have blitzed you,’ says a sanctimonious lockdownista in the DT regarding the cancellation of Christmas.
In fact But they have. But they were aiming at the human soul, not the human body. You don’t need to kill the body in order to kill the soul.

312313 ▶▶ Londo Mollari, replying to annie, 23, #216 of 2079 🔗

The Kaiser and Fuhrer today live at 193 Cathedral Road Cardiff and in Ten Downing Street. And Josef Goebbels has a regular Sunday show on the BBC.

312327 ▶▶▶ annie, replying to Londo Mollari, 7, #217 of 2079 🔗

Correction. Cathedral Road houses a substandard wrinkly malevolent ersatz little avatar of Stalin.

312393 ▶▶▶▶ Eliza P., replying to annie, #218 of 2079 🔗

But anyway we know where he is – always worth looking up at that source of info. that is now regarded as old-fashioned (and isn’t as useful as it used to be) of B.T. Directory Enquiries and then checking out Google Maps to see if it looks like the sort of place he would live (and it does) and 99% you’ve got it worked out.

313075 ▶▶▶ richard riewer, replying to Londo Mollari, #219 of 2079 🔗


312387 ▶▶ TC, replying to annie, 38, #220 of 2079 🔗

As a side issue,I had a bit of an argument with my wife and daughter who are both compliant with government rules and my daughter criticised me for not “doing your bit”, an expression a much younger man had used to me when explaining his wearing a face mask in his own business premises.
“Doing your bit” used to be used about people serving their country in times of war:my grandfather and two uncles did that,fighting the Japanese and Germans respectively.
Now it’s representing (unthinking?) compliance to government diktat,as I pointed out but to no avail.

312851 ▶▶▶ Ben, replying to TC, 8, #221 of 2079 🔗

In truth ‘doing your bit’ involves actually removing one’s face mask and fighting against the prevailing narrative for freedom. Simpleton sheeple will never understand

312599 ▶▶ LS99, replying to annie, 1, #222 of 2079 🔗

Spot on Annie. This is about what it is to be human.

312314 Richym99, replying to Richym99, 13, #223 of 2079 🔗

Notice how this new strain is consustently bring referred to as Mutant. Do you think the editors have been told under no circumstances do you describe it as anything else.

312371 ▶▶ annie, replying to Richym99, 9, #224 of 2079 🔗

Teenage mutant antihero Covviturtles.

312420 ▶▶▶ TheOriginalBlackPudding, replying to annie, 2, #225 of 2079 🔗

Drakeford is hardly a teenager, but otherwise that sounds like a pretty reasonable description.

312426 ▶▶▶ Nigel Sherratt, replying to annie, #226 of 2079 🔗

On fence posts

312812 ▶▶ Silke David, replying to Richym99, 2, #227 of 2079 🔗

Like, the common cold ?

313077 ▶▶ richard riewer, replying to Richym99, 2, #228 of 2079 🔗

Mutant Ninja Covid.

312316 John Stone, 2, #229 of 2079 🔗

Btw It was Nuki who set off the Sunday Times fishing expedition against Wakefield in 2003


312318 court, replying to court, 37, #230 of 2079 🔗

I popped in here this morning after hearing second hand about the new restrictions from my wife last night.

I stopped checking the news, Twitter, LS and everything else over a month ago. No shops since July either. It’s been bliss. I’d advise everyone to do it, I was hanging on too tight and was affecting my day to day life without realising. Without the media there is no ‘virus’.

If you can’t switch off completely, at least take the festive period off and start the fight again on the 4th January refreshed.

312322 ▶▶ annie, replying to court, 36, #231 of 2079 🔗

Trouble is, I need to know, at least an hour or two in advance, when my riding lesson us to be cancelled and when I can’t go to the library or buy a Christmas card, or when my Christmas has been cancelled and my friends and family put in a concentration camp. Nacht und Nebel. Every time I think things can’t possibly get any worse, they do. Forewarned – by LS – is, to an extent, forearmed.

312373 ▶▶▶ TC, replying to annie, 3, #232 of 2079 🔗

Nacht und Nebel.
I have not heard that for a long time and never thought it might be a coming thing in this country but who knows?

313343 ▶▶▶ Edward, replying to annie, #233 of 2079 🔗

Similar for me, Annie. Though I generally avoid the TV news, to get the latest on what was going on yesterday I used the red button news on the BBC – at least it’s better than hearing the sanctimonious crap spouted by the propagandists (formerly reporters). Early last year they were going to scrap the red button services, but reprieved it partly because some people use it and don’t have the internet.

312786 ▶▶ ianric, replying to court, 4, #234 of 2079 🔗

You have made a crucial point about the media. We have been bombarded constantly with message by the media, government and internet we are in a deadly pandemic. If this was the case, why don’t we see evidene of this? We don’t see bodies piling up, large numbers becoming ill, nobody knows anyone with covid and we don’t see ambulances rushing around. Why is that what the media and government tells us bears no relation to what is happening int he real world? I wonder what the relationships between the government and the MSM is. Has the mainstream media been paid off to pump out fear propoganda? If we are in a deadly pandemic, why would it be necessary to do this? A real pandemic doesn’t need a PR campaign. In real pandemic we would see with our own eyes and the fear porn propoganda wouldn’t be necessary. If you shutodown large sections of the economy, the MSM is going to loose advertising revenue. Money from the government would make up for lost advertising revenue.

I have read a chart comparing a real pandemic with a fake pandemic. It said in a real pandemic the media would re-assure the population rather than frigthen them. It also said that in a fake pandemic stories about people with an illness only appear in the media when nobody knows anyone with the illness. This is exactly what we are seeing now. We see programmes about people with covid but people who actually have covid don’t exist in the real world.

If people who argue the pandemic is a hoax are crackpots, why don’t we see evidence of a pandemic.

313286 ▶▶▶ David Grimbleby, replying to ianric, 2, #235 of 2079 🔗

Ambulances rush around here with sirens wailing on the hour every hour!

312321 Ceci, replying to Ceci, 25, #236 of 2079 🔗

Oh please, no fucking sob stories

You chose your side

You persecuted and attacked people to the point where some of them committed suicide

Now you want our sympathy, you can fuck off

In the future your grandchildren will spit on the floor at the mere mention of your names

This is not over yet. You will be held to account


312325 ▶▶ annie, replying to Ceci, 7, #237 of 2079 🔗

Iesu Mawr. I hope they cop rivers of spit and I hope they bloody drown in it.

312332 ▶▶ Llamasaurus Rex, replying to Ceci, 9, #238 of 2079 🔗

The very sight of these masked little hitlers makes me instantly angry. They are enemies.

312336 ▶▶ NorthumbrianNomad, replying to Ceci, 2, #239 of 2079 🔗

They deserve a lot worse than spat on.

312340 ▶▶ Mr Dee, replying to Ceci, 14, #240 of 2079 🔗

It’s actually an extremely encouraging and uplifting article, in that it ends with what to me is a very positive admission:

“The police’s role in all of this is one they can’t win.”

312369 ▶▶▶ annie, replying to Mr Dee, 8, #241 of 2079 🔗

Let’s do our level best to make sure they can’t.

312323 AnotherSceptic, replying to AnotherSceptic, 22, #242 of 2079 🔗

I post a lot of the brainwashing articles from the scummy Edinburgh live website. I also comment on said brainwashing articles, calling it out for the shite that it is.

This usually results in my comments being disabled or, if they don’t get disabled, I usually get called a clown (from one particular arse piece called euro2020)

So, just before the announcement by the little dictator, I commented this

“ Unbelievable. Yesterday, the dentist said about wearing masks when having your Xmas dinner, which is utter nonsense. & now, to keep up the scaremongering, we are being buttered up for a “new strain” & even more harsh lockdowns.
Please wake up here people, we are being lied to & taken for mugs.
There are world renowned epidemiologists who know what they are talking about, saying that this whole thing is utter rubbish, it is no more worse than the common flu virus. Yet, these same people do not get the airtime in the mainstream media to tel it like it actually is because it doesn’t fit in with all the scaremongering & lies being spread by the government & the mainstream media.
Life, freedoms, liberties, democracy & the economy…a thing of the past. 2020 is the year all of this died, caused by the government & the lies they tell. & the brainwashed sheep follow the lies blindly”

To which, I received these reply’s
From my friend euro2020
“ Your are an absolute 🤡

& from someone else
“ “it is no more worse than the common flu virus” And yet The Average death rate year on year is way higher this year, and that’s with 2 lockdowns to slow the spread. SO how do you figure its no worse than the common flu virus? Imagine how high the death rate would have been without. All your doing is spreading lies, and have no proof to back up the drivel you spout.

So, in response to the above reply, I replied back this
“ I have no proof???…oh believe me I do have proof, quite a lot of proof actually. But, it won’t let me post links to my proof. So, what I suggest is, you stop spouting your drivel & tell me how the death rate is higher than usual, how the NHS is “overwhelmed” & how this is all not lies. I bet you can’t. Next you will be telling me the usual lie that you know someone who has had it etc.
So, you stop spouting your drivel & stay hidden behind your sofa.
My freedom doesn’t end where your fears begin”

Needless to say, that comment got disabled for some reason????

But, the replies to my original comment show just how brainwashed the sheep are.

Article here


312403 ▶▶ shorthand, replying to AnotherSceptic, 6, #243 of 2079 🔗

Good work AS!! Edinburgh Live is an absolute cess pitt of a site. Even that brief glimpse leaves me with a crawling sensation on my flesh. Still, I might join up for some sheep shagging….

312326 mhcp, 15, #244 of 2079 🔗

Notice how the WHO admit that PCR testing searches for a result then tries to justify that by talking about cycles?

Pure subjective horseshit. And a great sign that the “test” is not gold standard even though believers claim it to be.

To use PCR for anything it has to be a threshold test with well characterised processes. And as has always been the case needs a decent signal hence is best used when someone has symptoms.

But here it is used in an arbitrary way. Each test could be different. Your test has 25 cycles mine 40 and yet supposedly have the same weight?

None of these idiots ever took metrology lessons apparently.

312330 Londo Mollari, 10, #245 of 2079 🔗

While we’ve ben focusing on Boris, Drakeford and all the traitors, we’ve missed the fact that the police were exceptionally brutal and heavy handed in London yesterday (at least, according to what I have seen on social media). Does anyone have any knowledge of this?

312333 Bill Grates, replying to Bill Grates, 43, #246 of 2079 🔗

Will, thanks for some useful info .

But why do you folks keep up this charade ? First sentence.. most embarrassing u-turn so far . C’mon do you really think this is just haphazard bungling by Bunter and his toadies ?
Get your head out of your butt and see this for what it is. These are well planned cynical manoeuvrings. The constant chopping and changing is just theatre for the bewildered masses.
We are being let to a dystopian place where you fit in or you suffer and if influential people don’t start to join the resistance we are all stuffed and that particularly means soft journos used to getting good money for schmoozing with hack politicos.

312379 ▶▶ anon, replying to Bill Grates, 1, #247 of 2079 🔗

hear hear

312392 ▶▶ Tim Bidie, replying to Bill Grates, 2, #248 of 2079 🔗

‘Kent covid’…….channel ports…..supermarkets stockpiling……..more hauliers……Brexit


312397 ▶▶ Eliza P., replying to Bill Grates, 17, #249 of 2079 🔗

Personally, I’m interpreting the latest Lockdown malarkey as “Oh that must mean they haven’t got as many people coming forward for vaccines as we expected – better ramp up putting on The Fear”.

312451 ▶▶▶ Bella Donna, replying to Eliza P., #250 of 2079 🔗


312447 ▶▶ Bella Donna, replying to Bill Grates, 4, #251 of 2079 🔗

Cancelling Christmas has been planned since March.

313100 ▶▶▶ richard riewer, replying to Bella Donna, 1, #252 of 2079 🔗

Possibly dreamed about for decades.

313559 ▶▶▶ Rowan, replying to Bella Donna, 1, #253 of 2079 🔗

So have the vaccines.

312334 AnotherSceptic, replying to AnotherSceptic, 19, #254 of 2079 🔗

The little dictators Twatter page. Feel free to give her & leitch the dentist your thoughts.


Actually, probably best not to, it seems that the vast majority of the population are licking her arsehole over this. There is a small number who are giving her the abuse & facts that she deserves, but the brainwashed sheep then turn on the people correctly giving her these negative comments.

It seems to be All hail Kim jong sturgeon!!!
I am ashamed to be Scottish & I am ashamed of the majority of the people here for crawling up her arse over this shit.

Sad times indeed.

312474 ▶▶ Just about sane, replying to AnotherSceptic, 3, #255 of 2079 🔗

I wonder whether the comments from sane people are being removed. My family and friends will not be voting for her. As for the local election in May, I heard or read somewhere the wee witch has been trying to get the election postponed for 6 months.

If you are on Facebook, I recommend joining Us for them Scotland, it’s a group set up to fight for our children. Sane people who are defending the future of Scotland, our youngsters.

313106 ▶▶▶ richard riewer, replying to Just about sane, #256 of 2079 🔗

There is also the Jamie Blackett group.

313104 ▶▶ richard riewer, replying to AnotherSceptic, 1, #257 of 2079 🔗

Don’t abuse her, mock her with satire and scathing wit.

312335 Mr Dee, 11, #258 of 2079 🔗

Good morning. Day 1 of the continuation of the Lockdown (it’s never really ended since March, has it). Enjoy your dissent, my friends. Make fools of the tyrants by ignoring their diktats at every turn. If you’ve not joined the battleline yet, now is the time. ‘Have no fear, have no fear!’ Said the Cat in the Hat (wise words!)

312339 swedenborg, replying to swedenborg, 1, #259 of 2079 🔗

Another pawn fallen(after SK) in the zero covid fanatics world. Thailand usually 3 cases a day now conveniently blamed on Myanmar and fish and prawn market


“Thailand reported more than 500 new coronavirus cases on Saturday, the highest daily tally in a country that had largely brought the pandemic under control.
The 548 new cases, most of them linked to a wholesale seafood market on the outskirts of Bangkok, come after Thailand saw only a small number of infections over the past several months due to strict border and quarantine controls.
Health officials said the new cases are mostly migrant workers from Myanmar connected to the outbreak at the Klang Koong shrimp market in Samut Sakhon province.
All of them were tied to a 67-year-old seafood vendor who tested positive for the coronavirus earlier, the director-general of the Department of Medical Sciences, Opas Karnkawinpong, said in a news conference broadcast to all TV channels on Saturday night.”

312536 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to swedenborg, #260 of 2079 🔗

Never seen this coming. Seasonal

312341 Basics, replying to Basics, 26, #261 of 2079 🔗

Bottom feeder fauci –

“Santa Claus will be coming to town this year, Dr. Anthony Fauci says.

“I took care of that for you,” he says. “…I took a trip up there to the North Pole; I went there and I vaccinated Santa Claus myself. I measured his level of immunity, and he is good to go.” #CNNSesameStreet”


Children used in his propaganda. Children used in any propaganda is sick.

312366 ▶▶ annie, replying to Basics, 6, #262 of 2079 🔗

Santa abused like that is revolting, sickening, nauseating.

312894 ▶▶ Ben, replying to Basics, 2, #263 of 2079 🔗

Is Dr Anthony Fauci actually evil?

313121 ▶▶▶ richard riewer, replying to Ben, 1, #264 of 2079 🔗

It was never in doubt.

313117 ▶▶ richard riewer, replying to Basics, 1, #265 of 2079 🔗

Fuck off Fauci!

313125 ▶▶ richard riewer, replying to Basics, #266 of 2079 🔗

That reminds me of Michelle Obama’s cheerful declaration a few years ago that Santa Claus had stopped smoking a pipe.

312343 Tom Blackburn, replying to Tom Blackburn, 5, #267 of 2079 🔗

Contrarian suggests someone being awkward for the sake of it. I can’t for the life of me understand why either would want this award.

312383 ▶▶ Tom Blackburn, replying to Tom Blackburn, 5, #268 of 2079 🔗

Without a doubt, Mr Hitchens is top dog but I am not sure he’d like the label.

312344 Laurence, 19, #269 of 2079 🔗

The Haringey website is very revealing – quote below from their weekly COVID report:

“In the 7 days up to 13 December, 6,382 COVID-19 tests were conducted on Haringey residents, of which 922 were positive. Of these, 5,866 were PCR tests with 921 of these positive, and 516 were Lateral Flow Tests, of which 1 was positive. Please note this is a count of tests, not people, therefore there may be duplicate test results. (Data taken from Pillar 2 Dashboard on 16 December 2020)”

So, assuming the worst case false negative rate of the lateral flow tests (50%), that still means only 1 in 258 are infected (admittedly small samples). Which means that at least 897 of the PCR results (97.3%) are false positives.

I’ve tried to get on the Pillar 2 dashboard to see a wider London picture, but you need to be a registered health professional to access it – so much for freedom of information. Anyway, we all know what they’re hiding from the public – the fact that the increase in London infections merely reflects increased testing. Can someone please give access details for this public site ?

312346 Nick Rose, replying to Nick Rose, 31, #270 of 2079 🔗

Looking at the Exodus from London last night, I think we can safely assume the majority are not backing the government.

312376 ▶▶ Now More Than Ever, replying to Nick Rose, 16, #271 of 2079 🔗

And plenty of those escaping will be zealots who will be rationalising their actions to themselves. “Well, it’s ok to go to grandma’s really, dad is pretty sure she had it back in March …” etc etc

312380 ▶▶▶ Tom Blackburn, replying to Now More Than Ever, 6, #272 of 2079 🔗

Yep. Probably very vocal on beach goers, protesters etc.

313127 ▶▶ richard riewer, replying to Nick Rose, #273 of 2079 🔗

Head for Sherwood Forest and band up.

312347 Steve Martindale, replying to Steve Martindale, 25, #274 of 2079 🔗

Quite right; The Peter Hitchens blog today is good and frighteningly perceptive, the law and the courts have let us down over this virus hoo-haa. We were told these new restrictions would be in force from Mid-night, has anybody seen them? The comment from the police is interesting
Does anyone know if any lockdown offences have actually been put forward by the CPS for a full magistrates court hearing? They mostly seem to be using Fixed Penalty Notices as a mechanism of intimidation, legally this whole things seems dubious.
I have twice written to the Attorney General about the use of the law in this way but have received no reply, we seem to have been reduced to living in a third world dictatorship, run by a miserable spineless dictator who is probably just a hollow front for other forces.

312367 ▶▶ annie, replying to Steve Martindale, 8, #275 of 2079 🔗

And it works.My sister wears face knickers and has meekly cancelled Christmas because she ‘doesn’t want a fine’.

312385 ▶▶ Tom Blackburn, replying to Steve Martindale, 2, #276 of 2079 🔗

Piers Corbyn challenged his in court.

312563 ▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to Steve Martindale, 1, #277 of 2079 🔗

I think that’s the main reason for mass compliance but to my knowledge barely any fines were imposed. And the CPS did throw out those fines imposed last April hence why social distancing measures are never enforced.

312348 Jez Hewitt, 10, #278 of 2079 🔗

The Mother of all Parliaments.

The U-turn Party.
The Complicent Silent Party.
All the rest and shitty sundry.

The Mother of all cluster-fucks.

312349 Nick Rose, replying to Nick Rose, 6, #279 of 2079 🔗

As that great purveyor of a kinder, gentler politics in Russia – Lenin – once said: “Worse is better.”

312388 ▶▶ Londo Mollari, replying to Nick Rose, #280 of 2079 🔗

I think you are right.

312421 ▶▶ Waldorf, replying to Nick Rose, #281 of 2079 🔗

It would be interesting to learn the provenance of the quote. You don’t get revolutions in situations where most people are content. However, the things that gave him a shot at revolution were made by others – involvement in WW1 pushed Russia towards revolution although it destabilised most countries to one degree or other.

312350 Richard O, replying to Richard O, 10, #282 of 2079 🔗

Idea for a new approach to conversing with those around us who think we are wrong. Normalise the worst possible outcome and make it their responsibility to own it. Explain that you understand there is no place in the society that is coming for people like us, but that they too will learn in time, even after every single dissenter has been physically eliminated and only the totally compliant remain, that the restrictions were always going to be permanent.

312356 ▶▶ Now More Than Ever, replying to Richard O, 4, #283 of 2079 🔗

I’ve been doing this for a while, and it does bring a few up short.

312411 ▶▶▶ TC, replying to Now More Than Ever, 5, #284 of 2079 🔗

Sadly, I suspect this is all too true of the retired who feel threatened by the virus.
My partner and I have probably lost £20000 – £30000 between us this year and count ourselves fortunate compared to others who will lose everything.
At least we might have a chance next year but others will not and please do not get me started on politicians, their acolytes and the public sector, most of whom will walk away from this when it ends because it must end unless they morph their diktat down newer avenues.

312416 ▶▶▶▶ Nigel Sherratt, replying to TC, 4, #285 of 2079 🔗

A lot of us old farts would rather see our families and D ie in our Footsteps . No consolation when the wealth taxes start of course but the faces of the comfortable will be something to see.

312353 Tom Blackburn, replying to Tom Blackburn, 6, #286 of 2079 🔗

Boris looks like the painting out of Ghostbusters in that image up top.

312364 ▶▶ annie, replying to Tom Blackburn, 1, #287 of 2079 🔗

Just been reading Psalm 53 in the Coverdale psalter:

God shall wound the head of his enemies, and the hairy scalp of such a one as goeth on still in his wickedness. (verse 21)

312355 Basileus, replying to Basileus, 64, #288 of 2079 🔗

This sign appeared on the railway path where I walk most weekends:

313131 ▶▶ richard riewer, replying to Basileus, 2, #289 of 2079 🔗

Like John Lennon’s War is over if you want it.

312361 Nick Rose, #290 of 2079 🔗


312362 Nick Rose, replying to Nick Rose, 18, #291 of 2079 🔗

Right, off for my walk around part of the perimeter fence of Gwlag Cymru. Llandudno to Conwy via the Grdeat Orme. Be seeing you.

312363 ▶▶ annie, replying to Nick Rose, 4, #292 of 2079 🔗

Enjoy. The Orme is marvellous.
Shall be coming up for the day some time soon, happen we meet?

312417 ▶▶ Llamasaurus Rex, replying to Nick Rose, 3, #293 of 2079 🔗

Watched all 17 episodes yet again this week. It’s so good…mcgoohan brilliant

312419 ▶▶ Llamasaurus Rex, replying to Nick Rose, 1, #294 of 2079 🔗

if dungford sets rover on you, prick the fucker.

313143 ▶▶▶ richard riewer, replying to Llamasaurus Rex, #295 of 2079 🔗

Lock up Dungford in The Village.

313289 ▶▶ David Grimbleby, replying to Nick Rose, #296 of 2079 🔗

You are a free man!

312370 Basileus, replying to Basileus, 5, #297 of 2079 🔗

An “unofficial” english translation of the ‘Cease & Desist’ papers delivered to @c_drosten
by @RFuellmich
of @CoronaAusschuss
Compelling evidence of fakery which locked down the world & threatens imminent global economic collapse and untold human damage.
http:// bit.ly/3rcnWlB


312407 ▶▶ Sarigan, replying to Basileus, 1, #298 of 2079 🔗

The link to LS is incorrect in that letter. Hope the original is correct. Will be very interested to see the response though.

312372 FrankiiB, replying to FrankiiB, 28, #299 of 2079 🔗

Boris bounce

No, not popularity.
Every time there is a lockdown, Boris does a U turn because he is scared into it by his quacks and their dodgy data.

It will never end until the 1922 committee of Tory MPs remove him. Don’t wait too long, or you will never be forgiven.

312428 ▶▶ Saved To Death, replying to FrankiiB, 6, #300 of 2079 🔗

This is not a U turn it is a continuation of what has been happening all year.

312607 ▶▶▶ Biker, replying to Saved To Death, 5, #301 of 2079 🔗

Yeah all this lockdown 1,2 and 3 are bullshit, they pulled the plug on life on March 24th. It’s been hell since

312375 Tim Bidie, replying to Tim Bidie, 5, #302 of 2079 🔗

I have just registered with yougov:


I’m sure many of you have done the same.

It ain’t doing much, but it is doing something……..

312666 ▶▶ Paul Hughes, replying to Tim Bidie, 1, #303 of 2079 🔗

I am sure they pick out the folks wh go along with the agenda. I have been in Yougov for years and now get very few political surveys as they know I am a Brexiteer and general sceptic of government.

313045 ▶▶▶ Mutineer, replying to Paul Hughes, 1, #304 of 2079 🔗

I am surprised I haven’t been arrested yet. I let rip in the additional comments box and recently I haven’t held back!

312937 ▶▶ Mutineer, replying to Tim Bidie, 2, #305 of 2079 🔗

I do these surveys and they have finally added a ‘Covid-19 is a scam’ option although they also said that ‘before people complain (the ones calling us Covidiots), they have to point out that they’ve had ‘complaints from some recipients that there is no ‘scam’ option’. Interestingly, the majority feel the Govt have handled it very badly. You often see the percentages but the ‘Would you have a vaccine’ percentage wasn’t displayed which leads me to believe they don’t want us to know how many won’t have it.

313298 ▶▶▶ Spikedee1, replying to Mutineer, 1, #306 of 2079 🔗

Ah but the covid zealots that call us covidiots are righteous, they KNOW their views are correct because the MSM and bbc agree with every word they say. The only dissension is some moron on twitter/facebook who cannot show any evidence of their claims whereas I have graphs from that nice mr Valance, who is an expert!! They wear their masks with pride, happy in the knowledge of all the people they are saving from dying. All bow to hancock the all seeing eye!!

312382 Stuart, 4, #307 of 2079 🔗

This scavanger death porn will lead to a time of blood and iron.

Rejectionists question everything, distrust everything, disbelieve everything and repudiate everything.

312394 Ed Phillips, replying to Ed Phillips, 5, #308 of 2079 🔗

Remember: Twitter is not real life.

If it were then that would suggest that people believe all the propaganda.

People don’t really believe the propaganda. Do they?

312413 ▶▶ Charlie Blue, replying to Ed Phillips, 8, #309 of 2079 🔗

I don’t do Twitter, but every work contact, neighbour(with one exception), friend and extended family member (except my 80yo mum) are cult members. So I think plenty of people do. In my world the few people who were somewhat sceptical a few months back were defeated by lockdown 2. If it weren’t for this site I would believe that I was the only sceptic in the world.

312467 ▶▶▶ TC, replying to Charlie Blue, 5, #310 of 2079 🔗

I know that feeling too well.
Again, it is a question of organising a protest movement.
I was on a sports forum last night and about 26 of 30 posts were a defence of lockdown with only 4 against.

312727 ▶▶▶ Borisbullshit, replying to Charlie Blue, 1, #311 of 2079 🔗

You are not the only one….I am another Telford sceptic and have been from day 1. No amount of lockdown would ever change my view.

312396 Tim Bidie, replying to Tim Bidie, 11, #312 of 2079 🔗

‘Kent covid’ appears to have coincided with brexit overtaking ‘the covid’ as the most important political issue of the day (according to a yougov tracker)


Hmmmm……..remind me, how does that whole news management thing work……….?

312577 ▶▶ zacaway, replying to Tim Bidie, 1, #313 of 2079 🔗

Been thinking that for a while – clamping down on the SE is a handy way to keep control of whatever chaos ensues when the transition ends.

312922 ▶▶ Nigel Sherratt, replying to Tim Bidie, #314 of 2079 🔗

Covid of Kent or Kentish Covid?

312402 Ben, replying to Ben, 37, #315 of 2079 🔗

The timing of ‘Covid 2.0’ makes perfect sense

For the Government to maintain the ‘scamdemic’ the public must be frightened, ignorant and atomised. The worst case scenario is people coming together at Christmas time. People who will talk, mix, relax, congregate and remember the old normal. Discussions may lead to questions: ‘do you think the Government is lying to us?’

Enter ‘Mutant Virus’ to maintain fear and to justify lockdowns. Expect existing graphics of the Covid-19 virus, favoured by mainstream media as spike-covered globes, to be updated to more frightening looking spiked-covered globes with horns, teeth and evil looking eyes to frighten the children and the elderly

A new mutant strain named ISAR (I Smell A Rat)

312443 ▶▶ Jo Dominich, replying to Ben, 2, #316 of 2079 🔗

Not so much a rat as a sodding great mammal.

313093 ▶▶▶▶ annie, replying to Nigel Sherratt, 1, #318 of 2079 🔗

When did it move into No. 10?

Sherlock Holmes dealt with the Giant Rat of Sumatra. Pity he isn’t around just now.

313158 ▶▶▶ richard riewer, replying to Jo Dominich, #319 of 2079 🔗

Boris is the Walrus. Goo goo ga choo.

312410 Steve Martindale, 3, #320 of 2079 🔗

Just looking at the NHS dashboard
Total number of tests conducted (note some care & health workers are tested multiple times)46,771,368

Total number of (dodgy) +ve test results

So 46 million tests and 2 million dodgy +ve test results, are the health tyrants and the virus itself not going to run out of victims in the end?

312412 S1722, replying to S1722, 2, #321 of 2079 🔗

Think the first article needs to be updated, as the Tier 4 Regulations have been published: https://www.legislation.gov.uk/uksi/2020/1611/contents/made

312671 ▶▶ stevie, replying to S1722, 2, #322 of 2079 🔗

Made – – – – at 6.00 a.m on 20th December 2020 Coming into force at 07.00 a.m. on 20th December 2020 Laid before Parliament 21st December 2020

312695 ▶▶▶ Two-Six, replying to stevie, 2, #323 of 2079 🔗


312694 ▶▶ zacaway, replying to S1722, 3, #324 of 2079 🔗

Thank for that. Looks like Tier 4 is essentially the same as the last lockdown. In particular, I don’t see anything in there that specifically bans travel between Tier 4 and others. However, it has the usual guff about not leaving your home, unless under one of the myriad exemptions; and no household gatherings , unless under one of the exemptions. People living in Tier 4 are not allowed to gather in a household in other tiers, but this seems a bit redundant as household gatherings are restricted anyway.

Obviously going to ignore it, but useful to know what is/isn’t allowed if challenged.

Be helpful if anyone near the Tier 3/4 boundary could do a recce over the next few days and let us know if they are any police checkpoints being setup.

313224 ▶▶▶ Lyra Silvertongue, replying to zacaway, #325 of 2079 🔗

Might be able to test a 2/4 boundary for you this week. albeit one I expect to be more porous than the authorities would like to let on.

312414 Llamasaurus Rex, 3, #326 of 2079 🔗

peter gets my vote too

312415 Professor, replying to Professor, 29, #327 of 2079 🔗

What we have seen today is a significant shift in the basis for lockdown policy. Rather than actions intended (at least in theory) to deal with ongoing threats, the restrictions are now being based on POSSIBLE threats. The “new variant” MIGHT be more infectious (though we don’t know that, and the evidence is minimal at best), but the conclusion is that we have to shut down London and the South East to stop it just in case. Scotland is closing borders and Wales is locking down early, also to stop the ingress of this “new variant”, again based on a hypothetical chance that this is a more deadly version of the plague. It is also clear that this is not a “new” variant at all, and as such there is absolutely no evidence that it poses a greater threat that demands such punitive measures.

SARS-CoV-2 is an RNA virus and so, as anyone who has taken Biology 101 knows, the fidelity with which these viruses replicate their genetic material is relatively low and so you get errors introduced, giving mutations. There are tens of thousands of mutations already identified for this virus alone and it is no surprise that this happens.

What we have is just a political pseudo-science excuse for an embarrassing U-turn, allowing our governments to clamp down on movement, with “scary mutant virus” being a convenient smokescreen. However, what is really scary is that we are now in situation where there is now precedent for further restrictions every time a new viral variant appears. Given this happens all the time for RNA viruses, the depressing conclusion is that there is no end in sight to this madness.

312431 ▶▶ Basics, replying to Professor, 25, #328 of 2079 🔗

You make great points and I agree with most, however disagree with the relaxed oopsie u-turn part.

The ‘u-turn’ wasn’t a u-turn. It was a brutal attack psychological attack on the public. These creatures don’t feel embarassment, this year’s previous u-turns prove that. The pattern of shutting all down after parliament buggered off on holiday is also a repeat of the government behaviour pattern they promised to the 1922 committee rebels they would no longer follow. The episode is coldly deliberate.

Has any of those back bench rebels parted themselves from the christmas sherry to even call out one of the most viscious psychologically damaging acts by this government to date?

312647 ▶▶▶ Country Mumkin, replying to Basics, 3, #329 of 2079 🔗

It was brutal and definitely psychological. Very interesting point above about them being fakers rather than liars. I would have thought this would start to make the facade crumble in more people’s eyes.

312690 ▶▶▶ crimsonpirate, replying to Basics, 2, #330 of 2079 🔗

this was planned. Last week on BBC news Mon-Thurs featured interviews with behavioural scientists connected to Sage. On Friday the mood changed and interviewers were using lockdown is inevitable.

313166 ▶▶▶ richard riewer, replying to Basics, #331 of 2079 🔗


312446 ▶▶ TC, replying to Professor, 8, #332 of 2079 🔗

Thank you for your very helpful post.
Last night, the Ministry of Truth aka the BBC wheeled out two “experts” who were professors of behavioural psychology rather than virologists etc.
Depressing viewing and with SAGE being dominated it seems by these types of experts we will have to work hard to overcome this shower.

312506 ▶▶▶ Professor, replying to TC, 16, #333 of 2079 🔗

The psychological aspects of the propaganda war are interesting, as fear of death is clearly an extremely powerful weapon that mere facts and figures can never fully overturn. The majority do not (and need not) understand the underlying science or statistical basis of the data they are presented, but each of us can be reached by messages designed to evoke our most primal instincts. The quasi-religious mantra of “follow the teaching and you will live forever; deny the teaching and you (or your granny) will burn in hell” is quite deliberate.

A mistake that Mike Yeadon makes (whose scientific background is similar to my own, though my career was entirely in universities, while working with Pharma) is one that career scientists often fall into—one should never believe that data and graphs alone are enough to persuade the general public. Emotive messages are, unfortunately, far more effective.

313102 ▶▶▶▶ annie, replying to Professor, 4, #334 of 2079 🔗

It never ceases to amaze me that the people with the least worthwhile lives are the most fearful if death. As if they know that they will have to admit to themselves, when death finally gets to them, that their life was just a stretch of miserable futility, and they can’t bear that thought.

312700 ▶▶▶ crimsonpirate, replying to TC, #335 of 2079 🔗

been going on all week on the BBC seeding the idea of imminent lockdown. Even Neil Ferguson turned up at one point.

313169 ▶▶▶ richard riewer, replying to TC, 1, #336 of 2079 🔗

Behavioural Psychologists. One of Blair’s gifts to Humanity.

312422 peyrole, 9, #337 of 2079 🔗

I strongly suspect this is to do with Transend ( brexit2). Whatever happens now there is going to be chaos on the cross channel routes. How convenient to keep most vehicles off the roads around Kent and the S East during this period.

312425 karenovirus, replying to karenovirus, 40, #338 of 2079 🔗

Some years ago I was chatting with Mr & Mrs Epidemiologist and asked how we would fare if sent back to medieval times given our healthier lifestyles and wotnot. They replied that relatively our immune systems are shot and we would succumb to the first lurgy to come along.

They left me with following summary of virus.
The main characteristics are virulence, severity and it’s own robustness.

The common cold is both very virulant
and robust but not usually severe so is a highly successful viruses having been around for thousands of years and endemic worldwide. It is so not severe our bodies do not bother to produce antibodies against it.

Ebola is horribly severe, not particularly contagious but not at all robust once outside of its host which it generally kills. Ebola is an unsuccessful virus being region specific and sporadic. The only reason it sometimes inches towards the west is because of western interventions in West Africa.

If it were possible for a virus to be highly contagious, very robust and extremely severe humanity would have been killed off sometime over the past 2 million years; instead we are the genetic Survivors of countless such viral attacks.

If I with my average pass at ‘O’ level biology can understand this why can’t our pathetic government?

312438 ▶▶ Van Allen, replying to karenovirus, 14, #339 of 2079 🔗

Absolutely correct and skilfully put. However, after months of trying to convince myself that the government were just utterly incompetent, I am accepting there is something more sinister occurring.

313623 ▶▶▶ Rowan, replying to Van Allen, 3, #340 of 2079 🔗

Glad you’re getting on board with reality. It’s understandable that people don’t want to think that the worst is happening, but waking up the masses is the only way that this will be beaten. Time is short though for once vaccinated, there is no hope.

312450 ▶▶ Londo Mollari, replying to karenovirus, 3, #341 of 2079 🔗

As regards your last sentence, I just posted elsewhere that PhDs are the new GCSEs.

313187 ▶▶▶ richard riewer, replying to Londo Mollari, 1, #342 of 2079 🔗

You can receive a Master’s Degree in Public Health in one year. Fast turnover rate.

313182 ▶▶ richard riewer, replying to karenovirus, 1, #343 of 2079 🔗

Because they embrace/are possessed by various strains of sado/masochism:


312430 SilentP, replying to SilentP, 2, #344 of 2079 🔗

At the risk of attracting some thumbs down….

I smelled a rat when Hancock introduced us to the mutant strain last week, so was not totally surprised with what has followed. Our family Christmas has now been ruined, not through my choice.

Today’s editorial was encouraging suggesting that a new strain could spread quickly and be less damaging.


I have access to a private discussion forum which happens to have some members who have expert knowledge of vaccines. They tend to be very objective in their views, obviously believing in the importance of vaccines but not afraid to criticise aspects of the Covid vaccines.

They are concerned that some of the treatments being used have left the door open to the faster emergence of mutations. Subject to more information being published of the details of this new strain they are trying to assess
– whether the current vaccines will need to be adapted (possibly)
– whether this mutation could be particularly dangerous for certain at risk groups. (From the information available, that could be the case)

So, am keeping an open mind on this until we know more.

312458 ▶▶ Charlie Blue, replying to SilentP, 8, #345 of 2079 🔗

I’m not clear whether you think that the latest assault on freedoms is justified by these ‘coulds’?

312468 ▶▶▶ SilentP, replying to Charlie Blue, -2, #346 of 2079 🔗

The coulds concern me whatever I think about the assault

312487 ▶▶▶▶ anon, replying to SilentP, 6, #347 of 2079 🔗

if they concern you

you could always stay at home with your mask on

312504 ▶▶ NorthumbrianNomad, replying to SilentP, 1, #348 of 2079 🔗

Come mighty Must!
Inevitable Shall!
In thee I trust.
Time weaves my coronal!
Go mocking Is!
Go disappointing Was!
That I am this
Ye are the cursed cause!
Ye are the cursed cause!
Yet humble second shall be first, I ween,
And dead and buried be the curst Has Been!

Oh weak Might Be!
Oh May, Might, Could, Would, Should!
How pow’rless ye
For evil or for good!
In ev’ry sense
Your moods I cheerless call,
Whate’er your tense
Ye are Imperfect, all!
Ye have deceiv’d the trust I’ve shown in ye!
Ye have deceiv’d the trust I’ve shown in ye!
I’ve shown in ye!
Away! The Mighty Must alone shall be!

312779 ▶▶▶ annie, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, 1, #349 of 2079 🔗

Lady Blanche,the redoubtable old battleaxe from Castle Adamant Blanche rules ok!

312576 ▶▶ jb12, replying to SilentP, 1, #350 of 2079 🔗

I actually couldn’t give a shit ‘the virus’ suddenly begins to kill 1 in 10 old, sick people rather than the 1 in 20 it is doing now.

312676 ▶▶ Dorian_Hawkmoon, replying to SilentP, 3, #351 of 2079 🔗

I fail to understand your odd point about treatments always leading to mutations. It is true, hence MRSA. That hasn’t meant an abandonment of antibiotic development. It’s in the nature of the battle we all have with other life forms.

312952 ▶▶ SilentP, replying to SilentP, 1, #352 of 2079 🔗

I dare to suggest that the responses to date do not appear to be very open minded.

Like most of us I was appalled by yesterday’s briefing and the build up to it. It appeared to have been stage managed with an agenda of causing maximum disruption, fear and pain for the Christmas period.

The information I have picked up this morning raises the the point that there really might be something to worry about here, and if not for this mutation, for a future one.

That information is based on the currently limited publicly available knowledge of the mutation and is mainly too scientific for me to understand but a couple of details:

An expert in antibodies discussed how this could change the effectiveness of the current vaccines. Possibly making them more effective but more likely less effective, referring to work by Charles Janeway. It could also have a bearing on whether people previously affected could be reinfected.

More worryingly, I do not have the knowledg to explain this better, the mutant appears to have an enhanced Furin cleavage sequence which is used by the virus to gain cell entry. Furin is increased in the obese, hypertensives and type 2 diabetics.

313248 ▶▶ Ben, replying to SilentP, #353 of 2079 🔗

The elephant in the room –  are human rights more important?

312432 Adam, replying to Adam, 6, #354 of 2079 🔗

get rid of Johnson now and with him Hancock witty vallance even better

312610 ▶▶ Les Tricoteuses, replying to Adam, 2, #355 of 2079 🔗

And replace with whom? Only 70 voted against these measures.

312433 helen, replying to helen, 11, #356 of 2079 🔗

Cease and desist papers served on Prof. Dr. Christian Drosten by Dr. Reiner Füllmich

Green Mango GmbH, represented by Nils Roth v. Prof Dr. Christian Drosten

Dear Professor Drosten,

We hereby give notice that Green Mango GmbH, Bülowstrasse 56, 10783 Berlin, represented by its managing director, Mr. Nils Roth, has commissioned us to represent its interests on the basis of the enclosed power of attorney. Our client has suffered and continues to suffer significant harm as a result of the grossly disproportionate measures imposed to contain the COVID-19 pandemic without an evidence-based foundation.

You are personally responsible for this harm because, as one of the individuals who intervened significantly and decisively in the policy deliberations, you stated facts which you knew to be false and still continue to do so, and, also intentionally, you concealed, and continue to conceal significant facts. In the name of and on behalf of our client, we claim that you should rectify your erroneous contribution to policy advice in connection with the COVID-19 crisis and compensate our client for the harm he has already suffered.

In particular:

Contents- to read in full- http://bit.ly/3rcnWlB

I.The basic assumptions of Corona-Politics

II. On the errors underlying these assumptions: the five lockdown fallacies
1 The first false claim: No basic immunity
2 The second false claim: symptomless risk of infection
3. The third false claim: PCR-based diagnostics
4. The fourth false claim: the menace of overload of the healthcare systems
5. The fifth false claim: Restriction on freedom can be beneficial
6. The interlocking of the deliberately false lockdown claims

III. Your personal responsibility
1. On the question of basic immunity
2. On the subject of the danger of symptomless infection
3. About the PCR test
4. Your lockdown recommendations
5. Causality and attribution

IV. Legal Consequences


313192 ▶▶ richard riewer, replying to helen, 3, #357 of 2079 🔗

We should do the same for Ferguson.

313423 ▶▶▶ richard riewer, replying to richard riewer, 2, #358 of 2079 🔗

Ferguson was way past his sell by date years ago.

312434 helen, replying to helen, 12, #359 of 2079 🔗

Cease and desist papers served on Prof. Dr. Christian Drosten by Dr. Reiner Füllmich


IV. Legal Consequences
Now that we have listed, cursorily and without any claim to completeness, the damage caused by the Non-Pharmaceutical Interventions of politicians in the Corona crisis on your advice, we now look at our client. By deliberately giving scientifically unfounded recommendations to politicians or by promoting such measures from a position of influence, you have also deliberately caused him unconscionable damage and are therefore liable to our client under Section 826 of the German Civil Code (BGB) for the harm already caused. In addition, you personally must rectify the misinformation you have put into the world in an equivalent manner and in this way avert further harm to our client.
The harm already incurred amounts to several hundred thousand euros. And every day that our client’s karaoke bar is not allowed to open, the harm continues to worsen. We hereby demand in the name of and on behalf of our client a part payment of € 50,000. We call on you in the name of and on behalf of our client to remit this sum, to our attention, to the bank account indicated on the letterhead.
The power of attorney to receive payment is assured by a lawyer. We look forward to receiving your payment by:


Our client expressly reserves the right to assert claims in excess of the amount initially demanded. In addition, we request that you correct the following statements to those politically responsible and to the public:
● Clarify that there is no reason to believe that SARS-CoV-2 could cause an uncontrollable number of deaths and ICU patients
● Clarify that the case study in the New England Journal of Medicine of March 5, 2020, in
which you were involved and which supposedly proves an asymptomatic infection, is based on false data and therefore should have been retracted long ago
● Clarify that a positive PCR test cannot detect active infection and is therefore not suitable to establish a COVID-19 diagnosis on its own
● Clarify that collective restrictions on freedom do not do anything to contain the spread, but are proven to cause massive collateral damage
We also call on you to refrain from your previous statements to the contrary. Politicians must no longer be advised with scientifically inadequate information. And the public must no longer be confused with such assertions.
We therefore call on you also to return by:


the undertaking, subject to a penalty, to cease and desist, which is enclosed with this letter.

Please note that with every day that you maintain your deliberately false risk assessment of COVID-19, you are only making matters worse – for countless people in this country, but also for yourself. We will make this letter available to all colleagues who are willing to represent clients who have suffered harm as a result of the Corona measures. If you do not comply with our above request, a lawsuit will become unavoidable. In the course of this lawsuit, the whole truth about the lockdown will become the subject of a judicial hearing. Please do not hesitate to contact us if you have any questions.

Yours sincerely

Dr Reiner Füllmich

Unofficial English translation by Howard Steen & his network: This is an unofficial English language translation of the original cease and desist order in German language by Dr. Reiner Füllmich addressed to Prof. Dr. Christian Drosten. The original document can be found here: https://t.me/s/ReinerFuellmich http://bit.ly/3nrn62b Last Updated: 19.12.2020

312550 ▶▶ Basics, replying to helen, 1, #360 of 2079 🔗

Thank you Helen.

312604 ▶▶ Les Tricoteuses, replying to helen, 2, #361 of 2079 🔗

Excellent, but does it have any chance of getting in front of a judge, I know nothing about the German legal system.

313011 ▶▶▶ helen, replying to Les Tricoteuses, #362 of 2079 🔗

Lets hope so, Les.

Lawyers have been briefed in USA and Canada where this kind of lawsuit (class-action) has been successfully prosecuted before, for example VW emission scandal, from wiki.

Private actions [ edit ]
By 27 September 2015 at least 34 class-action lawsuits had been filed in the United States [303] [304] [305] and Canada [306] [307] on behalf of Volkswagen and Audi owners, accusing Volkswagen of breach of contract , fraudulent concealment, false advertising, and violations of federal and state laws, and positing the “diminished value” of diesels that will be fixed to conform with pollution regulations, due to possible reductions in horsepower and fuel efficiency


313135 ▶▶ Tim Bidie, replying to helen, 1, #363 of 2079 🔗

Fascinating stuff. Many thanks

What happens next, within the German legal system, may I ask?

313268 ▶▶▶ helen, replying to Tim Bidie, 1, #364 of 2079 🔗

Dr Füllmich is a able to practice law in the US as well as in Germany, where has started legal proceedings in November, as follows:- Reiner Fuellmich and Wolfgang Wodarg have started a diffamation lawsuit against “FactCheckers” and force them to prove legitimacy of PCR tests.

Not to be confused with the Cease and desist papers served on Prof. Dr. Christian Drosten delivered on 15.12.2020. A warning of ‘judicial hearing’ which would take place in N. America, if he does not comply with the request.

312435 Fingerache Philip., replying to Fingerache Philip., 3, #365 of 2079 🔗

Re: Cromwell/The “Bozzer”.
Whatever you think of Cromwell and what he believed in,Cromwell rightly or wrongly, knew what he was doing, The “Bozzer”, on the other hand!!

312670 ▶▶ Waldorf, replying to Fingerache Philip., 3, #366 of 2079 🔗

Cromwell thought God was on his side – it propelled him to power although it also explains some of his worst actions. Johnson always looks like a deer caught in headlights.

312440 Dan Clarke, replying to Dan Clarke, 13, #367 of 2079 🔗

The ‘Sage’ men said, behold a new strain of covid is in the East, we must bring gifts of panic, incarceration and misery
Plus we will stick around until the cash has gone and we are fully digitalised and can be distributed more evenly throughout the world

312547 ▶▶ Girl down Under, replying to Dan Clarke, #368 of 2079 🔗

Awesome Dan, can I use it as a Christmas card greeting to our Premier!

312442 common conservative, replying to common conservative, 15, #369 of 2079 🔗

I said it last night and I’ll say it again. Jackboot Johnson does not get to ‘cancel’ Christmas. Such a concept is utterly absurd and laughable. Go and have a lovely Christmas with your loved ones. Do not comply with this tit of human being’s diktats. Like the tit himself, his arbitrary rules are paper tigers. Do not comply.

312445 ▶▶ Dan Clarke, replying to common conservative, 6, #370 of 2079 🔗

Next they’ll go for Pancake Tuesday

312454 ▶▶▶ bluemoon, replying to Dan Clarke, 5, #371 of 2079 🔗

Valentines Day. Aaagh think of all the kissing. Etc.

312465 ▶▶ jhfreedom, replying to common conservative, 13, #372 of 2079 🔗

The problem is we share this world with coronaphobes. They are amongst our friends and family. So even if we want to go ahead and go on as per 2019 we find that many won’t go along with us. The in laws from NI are having a major wobble about driving down to see us. Worrying about nonsense like road blocks and infection rates in England. Negotiating becomes exhausting. So I agree with ‘go ahead’ but often there is no one to ‘go ahead’ with…

312483 ▶▶▶ Bugle, replying to jhfreedom, 1, #373 of 2079 🔗

My problem too. Family terrified into compliance.

313109 ▶▶▶▶ annie, replying to Bugle, #374 of 2079 🔗

Same here, but fear of a whopping fine, not of the virus.

312488 ▶▶▶ common conservative, replying to jhfreedom, #375 of 2079 🔗

That’s a good point. I too have friends and family who are fully sold on the panic. We’ve tried to reason with some of them, but it has always fallen on deaf ears.

My point is addressed to like-minded people, and so presupposes agreement and is intended to encourage others not to feel intimidated into ‘cancelling’ their Christmas, but you make a fair point with regard to friends and family, and I thank you for that clarification.

312570 ▶▶▶▶ Doctor Y, replying to common conservative, 7, #376 of 2079 🔗

We have been meeting with likeminded friends for months. We know it’s all lies.
Husband has had covid 19 – we are hospital doctors and lots of us have. It was a cold and he is of course fine.
However, our families will not disobey Boris.
We cannot have Christmas as they will not come. They know we are immune so cannot make them ill. They will not break the law.

313493 ▶▶ richard riewer, replying to common conservative, 1, #377 of 2079 🔗

Send Boris you’ve been Cancelled messages.

312444 mhcp, 2, #378 of 2079 🔗

I was rewatching a Dave Chappelle skit from last year, the one about the Famous French Actor Juicy Smoliet (Jussie Smollett). The whole scenario was ludicrous.

In the comments though was a great piece of insight (bolded for emphasis):

“Exactly. He wants everyone to believe that 2 homophobic white supremacists are standing around outside his luxury apartment building in Chicago at 1 am , when its -20° , wearing MAGA hats, holding bleach and a rope, on the off chance that Jussie would leave his apartment on foot, so that they could assault him? The funniest part of it was that he was still wearing the rope around his neck inside his apartment over an hour later when the police arrived to take his statement, as if that made the whole thing more believable. Police immediately identified the rope as the one bought days earlier by the 2 guys Jussie paid $3500 to stage the attack. I can’t believe that this is still in court. Prosecutors had dropped the charges of filing a false report, but when they attempted to sue Smollet for the amount of time and money they had put into the case, Jussie counter sued them, still claiming that the attack happened the way he said it had. Now Chicago is charging him with false reporting again because he won’t admit he lied. Hes now claiming that the Chicago police “set him up” to “make it look like” he was lying. Poor decision making on top of poor decision making .”

312448 Basics, #379 of 2079 🔗

Useful visuals of the SARS CoV 2 variants’ genetic trees tracked as they are found.


312449 Bugle, replying to Bugle, 15, #380 of 2079 🔗

Johnson looks like he’s appearing in a hostage video. Perhaps he is.

312459 ▶▶ Tyneside Tigress, replying to Bugle, 16, #381 of 2079 🔗

It’s why his hair is falling out. Somebody has control over him, either financial or emotional, or both.

312806 ▶▶▶ Sue, replying to Tyneside Tigress, 1, #382 of 2079 🔗

i imagine he has a lot of skeletons in his closet to bribe and influence him!!

312889 ▶▶▶▶ Nigel Sherratt, replying to Sue, 1, #383 of 2079 🔗

His skeletons are out of the closet, it’s hitching his waggon to the NHS that’s done for him. Finally encountered something he can’t bluff and charm his way out of and it’s broken him.

313577 ▶▶▶▶▶ richard riewer, replying to Nigel Sherratt, #384 of 2079 🔗

Tsk tsk. Boris has been wearing a mask all his life. We just didn’t notice.

313570 ▶▶▶▶ richard riewer, replying to Sue, #385 of 2079 🔗

He receives regular phone calls from Mr Big to keep him in line:

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312641 ▶▶ Waldorf, replying to Bugle, 4, #386 of 2079 🔗

“If you are being held hostage, blink twice”

312453 swedenborg, replying to swedenborg, 10, #387 of 2079 🔗

Important updated information CDC US about vaccination Pfizer

Six cases of anaphylaxis of Pfizer vaccine. 272 001 doses given (unclear if only US or also included UK.)
Very important now official information CDC US

5052 of about 213000 had reactions as unable to perform normal daily activities, unable to work, required care from doctor or health care professional


312470 ▶▶ swedenborg, replying to swedenborg, 2, #388 of 2079 🔗

It seems to be six times more frequent for anaphylaxis with Pfizer vaccine compared to all vaccines in this big study from 2019 recording all anaphyaxis versus all vaccinations. Do you think BBC will report this or will the 77th brigade go int action/OFSTED etc?
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/31815089/ Vaccine-Associated Anaphylaxis
In a Vaccine Safety Datalink (VSD) study, the estimated incidence of anaphylaxis was 1.3 per million vaccine doses administered for all vaccines and 1.6 per million doses for IIV3 (trivalent) influenza vaccine.

312486 ▶▶▶ Sarigan, replying to swedenborg, 4, #389 of 2079 🔗

And isn’t the 2nd dose meant to be the humdinger?

312509 ▶▶▶▶ swedenborg, replying to Sarigan, 2, #390 of 2079 🔗

Second dose will have more sideffects(as in the trials) but not known if more anaphylaxis reactions

312525 ▶▶▶ swedenborg, replying to swedenborg, 1, #391 of 2079 🔗

My maths failed me.It is even worse.Sixteen times more common.

312503 ▶▶ swedenborg, replying to swedenborg, 4, #392 of 2079 🔗

I am not anti vaccine. I think the it should be rolled out quickly to all long care facilities (if wanted) and it would be beneficiary for persons with serious health problems. See attached slide. But for any one with no serious risk of dying in Covid-19 ? Free choice. It must be impossible now even considering vaccine compulsory with these only 10 days data and this frequency of anaphylaxis.
Why was it not spotted in 40 000 trial? Perhaps it would if it had been 60 000.Just shows there are dangers in quick roll out.

312608 ▶▶ vargas99, replying to swedenborg, 4, #393 of 2079 🔗

Interesting that there have been more cases of adverse reactions to the Pfizer BionTech gunk in a week than there have been of (alleged) asymptomatic virus transmission in nearly a year.

312635 ▶▶ Basileus, replying to swedenborg, 1, #394 of 2079 🔗

Here is the source table.

312455 Barney McGrew, replying to Barney McGrew, 56, #395 of 2079 🔗

I can feel myself changing as time goes on, consciously restricting my own horizons.

My reaction to yesterday’s charade is to turn off from the Covid stuff completely. More than ever, I feel stupid for having even got drawn into the debates about R numbers, modelling, PCR false positives and so on, because it is obvious that they are not what is really driving this.

I never watch or listen to the mainstream news these days – like most people here I suppose – so I can’t engage with society’s “shared reality” (as the Guardian describes it). I can’t make plans for the future because it is under the arbitrary control of a governing class of psychopaths. I can’t bring myself to do anything constructive such as improving the house because every interaction with the outside world (e.g. buying materials) involves ritual humiliation (masks) and inconvenience. Watching old films and TV is becoming painful because it reminds me of the times when there was hope.

I will end up working (I’m self-employed now), because that is the only thing left to do that will take my mind off the bleakness. I never thought I would reach a point where I welcome work – I wouldn’t accept retirement now if you offered it to me!

Sadly, I realise that this is probably exactly the reaction that ‘they’ want.

312473 ▶▶ Janette, replying to Barney McGrew, 12, #396 of 2079 🔗

Keep fighting Barney don’t let them drag you down. We will win this fight.

313119 ▶▶ annie, replying to Barney McGrew, 12, #397 of 2079 🔗

Eat favourite foods, drink comforting drinks, read books, do puzzles, learn something new, listen to music, make music, go for long walks, savour the beauty of the world…
Go out walking in the rain, get soaked, come back, change into warm dry clothes, brew a hot drink, and sit by the fire with a book or puzzle.

313355 ▶▶▶ Spikedee1, replying to annie, 7, #398 of 2079 🔗

I was also a self employed PT and this was supposed to be my last year before retiring, thanks to the pig dictator that has gone TU. I have tried my best to keep fit but without the gym and others to interact with its boring. But here’s the thing, me and myself have made a pact. When this is over I am going to LIVE I am never again going to miss an opportunity to party, I am going to see my friends, I am going to contact old friends and see how they are doing. I am going to do the things I kept putting off. I’m going skiing, going to join a rock band, I am going to Singapore. Thailand. I am going on holiday as often as I can. I am going to play golf all over the world, i am going to enter into a bodybuilding show. I will not let a day pass where I don’t appreciate my freedom and i will do all i can to expose the absolute bullshit that has been pulled by this government. I will not waste my freedom ever again.

313753 ▶▶▶▶ Borisbullshit, replying to Spikedee1, #399 of 2079 🔗

Blimey you must have some dosh but good on you!

313590 ▶▶▶ richard riewer, replying to annie, #400 of 2079 🔗
313748 ▶▶▶ Borisbullshit, replying to annie, #401 of 2079 🔗

Aw that last sentence sounds perfect annie.

314362 ▶▶▶ Dennis Brown, replying to annie, #402 of 2079 🔗

Then, fight back like hell Annie!!!!!!!!!

313745 ▶▶ Borisbullshit, replying to Barney McGrew, 3, #403 of 2079 🔗

Very thoughtful post and I feel much the same. I have been working on the kitchen and I try to make sure I buy everything in one go as even buying tiles and paint means you have to brave the shite. Mind you I noticed in the tile shop (not going to say which one to protect them) they were chilled about masks and both agreed it was all bullshit as did the tiling man who did the job with me. I find almost all the male tradesmen think its bullshit….anyone got any theories as to why?

Watching even old things on TV is hard as you are bombarded with woke adverts with people in masks and it means you cant forget it.

I find playing the piano good as there is nothing in that to remind you of all the crap now that gardening not really possible in December.

312457 TheOriginalBlackPudding, replying to TheOriginalBlackPudding, 12, #404 of 2079 🔗

I’ve not been saying anything here for a week – I’ve been exercising my God-given right to family life with a trip to South Wales, and keeping a low online profile. Neither Dungford and his goons nor the tergiversatory tenant of no 10 were going to stop me.
But I just want to offer my support (for what it’s worth) to the good people of Wales. I hope you all manage to rescue something of your Christmas plans and find strength in the darkness.
“Dans les profondeurs de l’hiver, j’ai enfin appris qu’il y avait en moi un été invincible.”
Albert Camus (who seems to be having a good ‘pandemic’).

312469 ▶▶ jhfreedom, replying to TheOriginalBlackPudding, #405 of 2079 🔗

Takes me back to my Additional French when I was 15…

312529 ▶▶ Mr Dee, replying to TheOriginalBlackPudding, 3, #406 of 2079 🔗

Thank you. I learned a new word. And I thought I knew them all. Tergiversatory. Lovely.

Christmas plans going ahead as normal in this Welsh household.

312847 ▶▶▶ TheOriginalBlackPudding, replying to Mr Dee, #407 of 2079 🔗

Glad to hear your plans are going ahead. And pleased to add to your vocabulary! I’m always learning things here; it’s one of the joys of this site. (It’s like being back at university with so many ideas and so much new information fizzing around.)

312461 Jo Dominich, 44, #408 of 2079 🔗

Well they’ve really blown it now so let’s light the blue touch paper! I think we can safely say this us the straw that has broken the camel’s back. If WHO aren’t backing this and the reports in the USA media is negative it signals one over reach too far.

Also WHO has now turned its back on the PCR which our whole alleged pandemic is based on.

We now have the ammo – I’m taking some if Mabel Cow’s posters out today and am going to knock up a summary of opinions from today’s post and go out leafletting later on. We are still on Tier 2 but the only remaining relatives I have in the UK live in London. They are now incandescent with rage. One of them who bought into the narrative is now going to attend all the protests. We seriously need to capitalise on this as they’ve now totally lost the goodwill of the public.

I also want Recovery to force Wancock to answer their questions.

312463 Basics, replying to Basics, 1, #409 of 2079 🔗

Deleted. Swedenborg got there first! Posted below/above.

312471 ▶▶ Tyneside Tigress, replying to Basics, 1, #410 of 2079 🔗

Had already been highlighted by the US doctor group, and was ignored by both the FDA and CDC. Same here. Any thoughts the Oxford Vaccine will be different is wide of the mark if you look at the original Phase I/II Lancet study (August update) and the recent read-out of the Phase II/III (in the appendix).

312518 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to mwhite, #412 of 2079 🔗

I’m convinced thats set up

312555 ▶▶▶ Mr Dee, replying to BeBopRockSteady, #413 of 2079 🔗

I would retort: ‘Obviously’, but you can’t be sure these days.

312544 ▶▶ Mr Dee, replying to mwhite, #414 of 2079 🔗

Why the downticks? That was hilarious!

312475 mjr, replying to mjr, 1, #415 of 2079 🔗

just listened to Friday night’s “Deadringers” . Still satirical. However after Saturday night’s announcements, seems less surreal than real life .
Anyway, worth a listen

312743 ▶▶ TheBluePill, replying to mjr, 1, #416 of 2079 🔗

Indeed. There will also now be no further series of Black Mirror since reality has superseded it. It will also have to reclassified on Netflix from science fiction to drama.

312478 Biker, 23, #417 of 2079 🔗

The Biggest Lie Ever Sold

It’s nice to live in the free world where we’re all so civilised
we lock people in their houses just to keep them alive
It’s nice to live in the free world where we’re all being kept safe
the people are very happy protected by the state
It’s nice to live in the free world where it’s all so democratic
where the government never lies cause it’s all been fact checked
It’s nice to live the free world where the government is so very nice
as long as we do what they tell us and give up our human rights
It’s nice to live in the free world where liberty will prevail
but just watch what you say free speech can land you in jail
It’s nice to live in the free world where happiness is guaranteed
where you get what they want not what you need
It’s nice to live in the free world where it’s so diverse and fair
we all whistle while we work and sleep without a care
It’s nice to live in the free world where we’re free it’s no lie
if only we believe what they tell us maybe we won’t die
It’s nice to live in the free world where scientists are king
they’ve figured it all out and taken care of everything
It’s nice to live in the free world where we all do what we’re told
believing, without doubt, the biggest lie ever sold

312479 Tom Purcell, 3, #418 of 2079 🔗

Interesting that you show graphs and mention Havering. In Scotland, if you’re ‘havering’, you’re talking complete bollocks! Rather apt in terms of our ‘leaders’.

312481 PaulH, replying to PaulH, 30, #419 of 2079 🔗

They are now setting up the country for another national lockdown after Christmas.

They know a lot of people won’t comply with the latest diktat, they also know it won’t have any effect on their made-up PCR casedemic.

So when they are able to find more “cases” after Christmas (no actual illness needed!), they will impose a nationwide lockdown on the pretext of “irresponsible” behaviour by the public.

No doubt the plans have already been drawn up and the grim-faced press conference has already been scripted and pencilled into their diaries. Shall we say January 6th, for a “3 week lockdown” that lasts until April?

Boris Ceasescu’s regime might be tyrannical, but it is very predictable.

312492 ▶▶ thinkaboutit, replying to PaulH, 2, #420 of 2079 🔗

Agreed. Theyll have a severe (Tier 11?) plan in place for January.

312653 ▶▶ TheBluePill, replying to PaulH, 5, #421 of 2079 🔗

That sounds like a typical unimaginative Bozo and Handjob scheme. However the scamdemic is running out of road and I think the next act may come from Blofeld, taking things up a gear. I’m thinking a cyber attack taking down power or the Internet.

313384 ▶▶ Spikedee1, replying to PaulH, #422 of 2079 🔗

Be interesting if the CASES remain the same or rise during tier4 how embarrassing that will be for their schemes. So it’s all because of us not following the rules? A new strain? People sharing serving spoons, kissing under the mistletoe, young people partying. Come along and bet on the lockdown excuse lottery!! By the way I know the PCR cases and new strains are government fed cobblers so no need to point this out!

312482 James Leary #KBF, 9, #423 of 2079 🔗

The Torygraph continues to be bi-polar.

“ He (Boris) placed 16.4 million people across London, the South East and East of England into new Tier 4 restrictions which closely resemble November’s lockdown.
It came after he received alarming new evidence that a variant strain of Covid-19 – called VUI2020/12/01 – was ripping through areas in Tier 3, where restrictions were failing to control the spread.”

So …. we have been sneered at by the GBD enemies for wanting to gain herd immunity by “letting the virus rip” and killing all the Grannies. So they locked all of us down under one set of rules, let us go and then locked most of us down again under another set of more draconian rules, then immediately encased them in concrete, and cancelled Christmas. And now ….. “ VUI2020/12/01 – was ripping through areas in Tier 3, where restrictions were failing to control the spread.” Ripping AND Repression at the same time. Oh joy. And still they press on. It’s getting to resemble the Nazis dogged determination to wipe out the Jews when shooting was too little, when gassing with lorry fumes didn’t do the job, still unwavering they pressed on – and on – and eventually big pharma came to the rescue ….

312484 Platinum, replying to Platinum, 10, #424 of 2079 🔗

Quite frankly, I’m at the point where I couldn’t care less if the entire elderly and vulnerable population all die of the virus if it means the rest of us can get back to normal. And it would also save on pensions. Fuck them all.

312491 ▶▶ Barney McGrew, replying to Platinum, 22, #425 of 2079 🔗

It never was about them, anyway. It was about the NHS and bad optics (or The Great Reset or whatever). Matt Hancock wouldn’t even shed one of his fake tears if all the old and vulnerable dropped dead tomorrow.

312501 ▶▶▶ Katharine Stephenson, replying to Barney McGrew, 21, #426 of 2079 🔗

Especially as so many elderly people died in care homes because of the NHS’ policy of discharging rather than treating them. Many (at least 25% or more) others catch Covid when admitted to hospital for other illnesses. Yet we are still meant to believe that the Government cares about the elderly and vulnerable.

313632 ▶▶▶▶ richard riewer, replying to Katharine Stephenson, 1, #427 of 2079 🔗

The government cares about the Green Agenda and the Great Reset. Nothing else.

312494 ▶▶ petgor, replying to Platinum, 56, #428 of 2079 🔗

As a 76 year old who never wanted the country to suffer for me, I don’t thank you for those few unkind words. Not all of us have fallen for the governments pathetic policies.

There are a number of reasons why this government has seen fit to create fear and despondency amongst its citizens at this time, whilst at the same time failing in so many respects in dealing with the problem efficiently (test and trace, unused Nightingale hospitals, confused messages and false figures). In part it is due in my opinion, to the ages of our politicians.

Johnson was in born 1964, Gove in 1967, Raab in 1974, Hancock in 1978 and Shapps in 1968. Too young to have been aware of the 1957 and 1968 influenza outbreaks which caused the deaths of respectively 20,000 and 30,000 people here and world wide between 1 to four million. Had they looked at how it was handled by a very primitive health service and a mature media, they would have seen that life went on normally and the country got over it without crippling the country and its population. They were also of course, too young to have been aware of the privations caused by two world wars, both of which crippled in many cases, people and businesses. But again, the Brits got over it.

We now if course, much to the regret of many of us, live in a country which has become an all encompassing ‘nanny state’. A state that will have God knows what effect on our much pampered children and as to those going through our universities. Free thought is becoming a thing of the past.

312561 ▶▶▶ Basics, replying to petgor, 8, #429 of 2079 🔗

Strongly upticked.

313137 ▶▶▶ annie, replying to petgor, 7, #430 of 2079 🔗

We’ve all noticed how the most cowardly, bedwetting, selfish, face-knickered, shut-everything-down-to-keep-ME-safe people are the young.
Except, of course, the young ones on this site, but I think they’re in the minority.

313710 ▶▶▶▶ Louieg, replying to annie, #431 of 2079 🔗

Yes you’re absolutely right, the only unpleasant person I’ve met as a non mask wearing card carrier was a young woman who berated me for selfishness!

313771 ▶▶▶▶▶ Borisbullshit, replying to Louieg, #432 of 2079 🔗

Oh don’t some of the young love to call people selfish! Of course they are never guilty of that.

313768 ▶▶▶ Borisbullshit, replying to petgor, 1, #433 of 2079 🔗

What a wonderful post and though I was born in 1959 I remember 1968 in the sense that nothing changed and we were never off school. When I think back to what my primary school teachers were like they would never have done this. They had a real sense of duty and never had days of sick..their place was to be in their classroom and boy were they in charge of it!

312866 ▶▶ Nigel Sherratt, replying to Platinum, #434 of 2079 🔗

As an old fart myself I approve this message.

Bob Dylan, Bill of Rights Dinner, 1963

Because you people should be at the beach. You should be out there and you should be swimming and you should be just relaxing in the time you have to relax. It is not an old peoples’ world. It is not an old peoples’ world. It has nothing to do with old people. Old people when their hair grows out, they should go out. And I look down to see the people that are governing me and making my rules – and they haven’t got any hair on their head – I get very uptight about it.


313651 ▶▶ richard riewer, replying to Platinum, 1, #435 of 2079 🔗

You are sadly mistaken to think that this insanity is based on protecting the elderly and the most vulnerable. It’s a Global Coup.Do some research. Begin with page one of this blog way back when. The people here have covered just about every angle, read every analysis, discussed all the ins and outs since then. Thanks to all for standing up for the indomitable human spirit. We shall prevail.

313754 ▶▶ Cheshirecatslave, replying to Platinum, #436 of 2079 🔗

I know many elderly and vulnerable who certainly don’t want lockdowns and mass misery. I’m vulnerable, but I want to make my own choices as do my friends in the same boat. We want to protect ourselves in whatever way seems best to us and everyone else to get on with their lives.

313762 ▶▶▶ Borisbullshit, replying to Cheshirecatslave, #437 of 2079 🔗

A very fair slant on things cheshire and I’m sure there are huge numbers of the elderly who feel the same. Sadly they are not listened to.

312485 petgor, 15, #438 of 2079 🔗

Does anyone believe that they were ever going to let Christmas 2020 happen? Iit continues to be about power and control.

312489 Tyneside Tigress, replying to Tyneside Tigress, 13, #439 of 2079 🔗

Dr Susan Hopkins on Sky – ‘70% looks like a good number – but the confidence intervals around that are very wide’. It is based on Imperial modeling. This mutant variant is a complete scam, on top of all the other ones!

312498 ▶▶ Basics, replying to Tyneside Tigress, 2, #440 of 2079 🔗

Is that confirmed then the 70% has been junked out of Imperial modelling?

312511 ▶▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to Basics, 2, #441 of 2079 🔗

No doubt they’ve had their hands on this.

312512 ▶▶▶ Tyneside Tigress, replying to Basics, 4, #442 of 2079 🔗

Yes, if I understood her correctly. Porton Down involved somewhere, but that was likely just doing the basic science (sequencing the mutated sites), and then the spread was ‘modelled’. She also said it was first seen in September, then in October, and a ‘cluster’ in Kent/Medway in late November. Wonder whether it was immigrant sprout pickers?

312534 ▶▶▶▶ Basics, replying to Tyneside Tigress, 4, #443 of 2079 🔗


Leech the dentist spoke from pulpit yesterday they are growing something in porton down he said. Not certain if he was saying sars cov 2 specifically new variant or covid19. Suspect he was referring to sars cov something or other. I did not buy any of it – when leech speaks it is pretty meaningless I tend to find.

Top doc from porton down happened by and was first on scene at skripal park bench the chances of that are from the pages of a douglas adams novel.

312578 ▶▶▶▶▶ Tyneside Tigress, replying to Basics, 6, #444 of 2079 🔗

Yes, just like one finds a resealed packaged bottle of Nina Ricci perfume several months later in a rubbish bin!

312507 ▶▶ The Rule of Pricks, replying to Tyneside Tigress, 13, #445 of 2079 🔗

Can anyone explain or justify why Carl Heneghan is having to beg on Twitter for the evidence that the mutant variant is 70% more transmissible?!

Its insane that any data is not shared at least in the wider scientific community for peer review and analysis especially with those who are pre-eminent in this field and precisely the right people who should be looking at this.

what happens when there’s an outbreak in Germany, Italy etc and their governments ask ours for any information we have? Is Boris going to say ‘mind your own business’ to them as well?

312522 ▶▶▶ Tyneside Tigress, replying to The Rule of Pricks, 13, #446 of 2079 🔗

Because ‘the evidence’ will not stand up to daylight. This is dodgy dossier 3. If this was 70% more transmissible, and first seen in September, there would be hundreds of thousands of cases now, not 1100.

312523 ▶▶▶ Lockdown_Lunacy, replying to The Rule of Pricks, 10, #447 of 2079 🔗

The data either doesn’t exist or does not corroborate their story.

312948 ▶▶▶▶ Jo Dominich, replying to Lockdown_Lunacy, 2, #448 of 2079 🔗

Ain’t that the truth! It doesn’t exist.

312649 ▶▶ TC, replying to Tyneside Tigress, 2, #449 of 2079 🔗

Thanks for that info.
If Imperial College are involved it’s likely rubbish.
Whatever happened to Imperial?
When I was young (so looooong ago), it had a tremendous reputation.
The likes of Ferguson are chucking it away but I assume the rot may have set in earlier?

313656 ▶▶ richard riewer, replying to Tyneside Tigress, #450 of 2079 🔗

We need a Monty Python scam scam scam sketch.

312495 Basics, replying to Basics, 12, #451 of 2079 🔗

Privy Council 77 Lt Col Tobias Elwood MP 27+ in a room went under the rug quickly.

312499 ▶▶ anon, replying to Basics, 1, #452 of 2079 🔗


312510 ▶▶ petgor, replying to Basics, 5, #453 of 2079 🔗

Unfortunately he is my MP. I wrote to him after his run in with Julia Hartley Brewer (which he lost) and after the news about his “business meeting”. This was his reply:

“I followed the business guidelines to the letter. I learned a lot about Iraq.”.

312528 ▶▶▶ Tyneside Tigress, replying to petgor, 4, #454 of 2079 🔗

Perhaps he should do a stint out there to learn at the coal face.

312580 ▶▶▶ Basics, replying to petgor, 3, #455 of 2079 🔗

He is the prize idiot isn’t he. The Lt Col rank was reported by UKC from an Armed Forces source to be the highest rank idiots can be given – any higher and their incompentence cannot be carried/covered by others. Regardless of that simply the way he carries himself tells you everything.

312941 ▶▶▶ Jo Dominich, replying to petgor, 4, #456 of 2079 🔗

It was a Christmas Party as listed on the organisation’s calendar! It was not a business meeting. Did he answer the question as to why he said Christmas was the most dangerous time of all for people to meet at this was the worst emergency the crisis faced since the War and then he attends a Christmas party just to make the point?

312543 ▶▶ PaulH, replying to Basics, 6, #457 of 2079 🔗

When people went to his local beach back in the summer, I remember him angrily condemning them and saying that this kind of thing shouldn’t happen again until they had been vaccinated.

But previously he had said how moved he had been by the BLM riot march in London. Apparently gathering wasn’t a health hazard at all.

And nor it seems was his Christmas party that was actually a business meeting.

313780 ▶▶▶ Borisbullshit, replying to PaulH, #458 of 2079 🔗

Funny how ‘conservative’ MPs are moved by an overtly communist organisation! I doubt if he was moved by anti lockdown protests asking for their freedoms back!

312500 BeBopRockSteady, 12, #459 of 2079 🔗

Very positive update ATL today.

One item that does concern me is the mention of the WHO updated guidance on PCR. This is not about the government changing how it will use the test going forward. It is about holding them to account for how it has been used to date.

That, along with Lord Sumptions piece, should make it clear that we have been subjected to improper treatment. Totally at odds with science, medicine, democracy and human rights, all based on the PCR yes/no protocol.

And this is not just about the false positives and CTs. The very thing it is said to be testing for is in doubt. Yes, Bobby Malhortas twitter threads, alongside Kevin Mckernans, will show just how technical this is. It’s never been ventured to be included ATL on this site, however, the idea that these tests are looking for something that can actually be proven to cause a disease called Covid-19 is in dispute. This is why Mullis spent years fighting the HIV-Aids connection, he had his reasons. There are fundamental issues in dispute here. It should be earth shattering stuff if PCR is unmasked in the German court case.

312502 Bart Simpson, 27, #460 of 2079 🔗

Not surprised this has happened. The Christmas “truce” was really only for MPs so they don’t fall foul of their own regulations as they travel between their various homes.

It was never about the ordinary people and we’re being set up for another lockdown.

Trouble is there are still brainwashed zombies out there who think this is all necessary. OK for them because they’re not taking any financial and mental hit.

These people are reprehensible and deserve everything they will get when the day of reckoning comes.

312508 davews, replying to davews, 13, #461 of 2079 🔗

I will repost this superb one liner from Lapland UK’s facebook page:

We have worked tirelessly all year to keep the magic alive for as many families as we possibly could this Christmas but we have reached a point where we must now say goodbye to the Human Folk .

Exactly how I feel this morning. I have also cancelled my planned participation in our church Zoom services today and emailed a long speal to them about my feelings. I also said that King Herod has now moved into Downing Street. I fancy a long walk today to get completely away from it.

313278 ▶▶ annie, replying to davews, 1, #462 of 2079 🔗

Zombies said farewell to the human folk a long time ago.

312513 Sarigan, replying to Sarigan, 5, #463 of 2079 🔗

The Evolution of Virulence


Viruses, not having DNA, do not reproduce themselves as precisely as do higher organisms. As a result, there is much more genetic variation within their descendants, resulting in rapid evolution, which:

Increases Communicability. Natural selection favors those virus components that allow the virus to spread to more hosts.
Reduces Deadliness. Natural selection disfavors those virus components that cause the host to die, because a dead host cannot spread the disease.
These factors have been studied extensively in wild populations of the animal world. The first causes the infectious period of a virus to lengthen. The second causes the virus to become less deadly. As a result, almost all viruses found in wild populations are intermediate in severity. They are neither so strong that they debilitate the host nor so weak that the host can quickly overcome them.

We have excellent examples of intermediate-severity viruses in the human world — a bunch of different viruses known as the “common cold.” They are not so strong that they kill or debilitate, nor so weak that they can be overcome in less than a week.

COVID-19 is getting less deadly

312559 ▶▶ John P, replying to Sarigan, -1, #464 of 2079 🔗

Oh God! (rolls eyes).

“Viruses, not having DNA, do not reproduce themselves as precisely as do higher organisms.”

Many viruses have DNA. Pox viruses for example.

312593 ▶▶▶ Sarigan, replying to John P, 2, #465 of 2079 🔗

Apologies, viruses do contain DNA or RNA. All living things have DNA, but technically speaking, viruses aren’t living things because they can’t maintain themselves or reproduce on their own. They also aren’t technically cells because virus structure doesn’t have organelles — cellular machinery — of their own. They don’t fit into any of the kingdoms of life — they aren’t plants, animals, fungi, protists, bacteria or archaea — but there are types of virus that infect every one of these life forms. Viruses exist only as infectious agents. They’re made up of a nucleic acid — either DNA or RNA — surrounded by a protein capsule. They only become active by after entering a host cell.

312590 ▶▶ John P, replying to Sarigan, 3, #466 of 2079 🔗

My little virology textbook (Principles of Molecular Virology by Alan J Cann, 4th Edtion) lists seven classifications of viruses:

I) double-stranded DNA viruses
II) single-stranded DNA viruses
III) double-stranded RNA viruses
IV) (+) sense RNA viruses
V) (-) sense RNA viruses
VI) RNA reverse transcribing viruses
VII) DNA reverse transcribing viruses

coronaviruses are in Group IV

312620 ▶▶ IanE, replying to Sarigan, 2, #467 of 2079 🔗

Actually it is cell machinery that viruses do not have – hence the need to use the machinery in living cells.

312515 Tom Blackburn, replying to Tom Blackburn, 14, #468 of 2079 🔗

Wanksock fake emoting on Marr again.

312520 ▶▶ Lockdown_Lunacy, replying to Tom Blackburn, 5, #469 of 2079 🔗

Seriously? AGAIN??

312530 ▶▶▶ Tom Blackburn, replying to Lockdown_Lunacy, 11, #470 of 2079 🔗

No tears yet but he’s acting like the new strain has kicked him in the goolies. Just when we were getting on top lol.

Voice breaking, red eyes. I think he’s trying to do it properly this time. I sense a tear may be pushed out shortly. Come on son, you can do it.

312545 ▶▶▶▶ John P, replying to Tom Blackburn, 6, #471 of 2079 🔗

“No tears yet but he’s acting like the new strain has kicked him in the goolies.”

I’m beginning to like the sound of this “new strain”!

312921 ▶▶▶▶ Jo Dominich, replying to Tom Blackburn, 2, #472 of 2079 🔗

I think that’s because he knows his time is rapidly running out and the British people are no longer in thrall to this Govt.

312526 ▶▶ Sarigan, replying to Tom Blackburn, 4, #473 of 2079 🔗

Ha he practised at all or just as pathetic as the first time?

312549 ▶▶▶ John P, replying to Sarigan, 3, #474 of 2079 🔗

Practised or not, he’s still pathetic.

312527 ▶▶ Tyneside Tigress, replying to Tom Blackburn, 13, #475 of 2079 🔗

He got close on Sophy Ridge, but managed to hold it together somehow. If ever there was a man least equipped in both intellect and gravitas to hold a position of power, he is that man. Mind you, he has stiff competition in Gavin Williamson.

312538 ▶▶▶ Tom Blackburn, replying to Tyneside Tigress, 8, #476 of 2079 🔗

Lots of blinking now. Come on lad, one last push. Nearly there.

312541 ▶▶▶▶ Tyneside Tigress, replying to Tom Blackburn, 1, #477 of 2079 🔗

I’ve turned over specially now!

312595 ▶▶▶▶ PoshPanic, replying to Tom Blackburn, 1, #478 of 2079 🔗

He needs to listen to Michael Caine ” don’t bloody blink!”

313543 ▶▶▶▶▶ Spikedee1, replying to PoshPanic, #479 of 2079 🔗

Or the old, my dog is dead, my dog is dead, acting trick

312554 ▶▶▶ John P, replying to Tyneside Tigress, 2, #480 of 2079 🔗

He needs to bring more onions with him.

312583 ▶▶▶▶ Tom Blackburn, replying to John P, 4, #481 of 2079 🔗

No water in the end. Shame. It is coming though.

If Starmer was cynical/astute, he’d be pushing Pfeffel for Wanksock’s resignation on compassionate grounds.

312927 ▶▶▶ Jo Dominich, replying to Tyneside Tigress, 1, #482 of 2079 🔗

I think Wancock surpasses Private Pike in the competition stakes.

312540 ▶▶ John P, replying to Tom Blackburn, 1, #483 of 2079 🔗

You’re a glutton for punishment, Tom. Why do you put yourself through it?

312553 ▶▶▶ Tom Blackburn, replying to John P, 9, #484 of 2079 🔗

Taking one for the team.

Wanksock: “I had to call my Mum last night”.

Fucking hilarious.

312602 ▶▶▶▶ John P, replying to Tom Blackburn, 1, #485 of 2079 🔗

Tom, you don’t have to put yourself through this on my account !

312630 ▶▶▶▶▶ Tom Blackburn, replying to John P, 3, #486 of 2079 🔗

Who wouldn’t want to see Wanksock boo live on air. Even if it is fake – to lower himself to that level just to keep his little power trip on the road – it is good viewing.

312932 ▶▶▶▶ Jo Dominich, replying to Tom Blackburn, 2, #487 of 2079 🔗

He’s got a mother?

313146 ▶▶▶▶▶ annie, replying to Jo Dominich, 2, #488 of 2079 🔗

I thought venomous snakes hatched out of eggs abandoned in the sand.

312516 Major Panic, replying to Major Panic, 18, #489 of 2079 🔗

‘saving granny’ is a delusion

the reality is decimating the grandchildren’s future

312521 ▶▶ Tom Blackburn, replying to Major Panic, 17, #490 of 2079 🔗

*no grannies were saved in the making of this crisis

312611 ▶▶▶ IanE, replying to Tom Blackburn, 7, #491 of 2079 🔗

Indeed, large numbers have been killed due to depression and poor service in their care homes.

312615 ▶▶▶▶ Robin, replying to IanE, 1, #492 of 2079 🔗

Cause of death – Snakes and ladders.

312539 ▶▶ John P, replying to Major Panic, 11, #493 of 2079 🔗

“saving granny” is government propaganda.

312586 ▶▶ PoshPanic, replying to Major Panic, 8, #494 of 2079 🔗

It’s disgusting manipulation

312955 ▶▶ Mutineer, replying to Major Panic, 5, #495 of 2079 🔗

I’m a granny. I don’t want saving. Many have already been culled and they intend to cull more and include the sick, the disabled, the vulnerable and anyone who isn’t profitable to them. Eugenics.

312519 karenovirus, replying to karenovirus, 11, #496 of 2079 🔗

We have just had the ‘real’ Black Friday, supposedly called that because of the builders downing tools at lunchtime and going on the piss
Actually it is the nice people, the teachers, the junior staff from the insurance company office that cause mayhem and problems for bar workers, taxi drivers and mergency workers.

The UK economy more or less shuts down for a fortnight with more people not working than at the height of lockdown 1.
This will be the first time many have endured domestic confinement in the very fortnight that they should be free too do as they chose.
Coincidence? I think not.

312535 ▶▶ John P, replying to karenovirus, 8, #497 of 2079 🔗

In a liberal democracy you are always free to do as you choose.

This government may not like that, but it is a fact.

312524 Bruce Reynolds, 33, #498 of 2079 🔗

No true sceptic should be complying to any of the government bullshit,all should claim mask exemption status,all should ignore distancing,covid Marshalls should be abused at every opportunity, covid signage vandalised, the gloves are off now make it count ..

312533 George Mc, replying to George Mc, 6, #499 of 2079 🔗

Powder keg ready:


This also covers Scotland which has now been cut off by Nicola’s refurbishing of Hadrian’s Wall. I wonder …border controls? Checks? Machine guns at the ready?

The scene has been set not only for public outbursts but also for the “necessary means of containment” which will amount to …what? Was I joking when I said “machine guns”?

The sickest part is that the state could openly strike in violence at the public and the Left, going by their assumed position on covid, could only half protest with the usual “consequence of incompetence” meme. After all, this is a deadly plague etc.

312575 ▶▶ Sarigan, replying to George Mc, 10, #500 of 2079 🔗

My daughter will be flying to Scotland tomorrow to stay with her BF. Will let you know how we get on!

312581 ▶▶ Londo Mollari, replying to George Mc, 1, #501 of 2079 🔗

Wings over Scotland is very pro-indie but very anti-sturgeon. Not so much because of the lockdown lunacy abut because she fitted up Salmond. Also, they are increasingly concerned about the trans lobby.

312542 chaos, replying to chaos, 17, #502 of 2079 🔗

Conservatives. Tough on business, tough on the causes of business.
Conservatives. Tough on families, tough on the causes of families.
Conservatives. Tough on travel, tough on the causes of travel.
Conservatives. Tough on freedom, tough on the causes of freedom.

312557 ▶▶ Wolver, replying to chaos, 10, #503 of 2079 🔗

Finding it hard to believe this isn’t a communist take over. Maybe I should go and put my tinfoil hat back on…

312936 ▶▶▶ Jonathan Palmer, replying to Wolver, 2, #504 of 2079 🔗

You are witnessing a coup.Its just not a communist one

313797 ▶▶▶▶ Borisbullshit, replying to Jonathan Palmer, #505 of 2079 🔗

I dont think it fits either the communist or fascist label but shares elements of both. All decent parts of the left,centre and right should oppose it though and unite in their opposition to it.

312605 ▶▶ IanE, replying to chaos, 5, #506 of 2079 🔗

‘Conservatives’? Haven’t seen any of those in politics for decades.

312546 Major Panic, replying to Major Panic, 13, #507 of 2079 🔗

Good article about ‘fakers’ – Hancock is clearly a faker, living in a fantasy of his own dishonesty, lies slip off his tongue faster than his thinking can process

This morning on marr – Hancock claims that a third of infected have no symptoms when we know that a third does not equate to 80%, the actual ratio

313155 ▶▶ annie, replying to Major Panic, #508 of 2079 🔗

Wankok’s maths is rotten anyway. . He still hasn’t got his head round the simple new equation:

2020 = 1984.

313564 ▶▶ Spikedee1, replying to Major Panic, 1, #509 of 2079 🔗

But why is this not challenged? Half an hour on this site before Marr talked to him and he could have made the mealy mouth fucker really squirm. Do you remember the days of investigative and meaningful interrogation by reporters? Do your job you useless bastard!!

312552 wendyk, 27, #510 of 2079 🔗

Message from the front line: a family member has just emailed to relate how she and her mother watched aghast, as a desperate young man who had overdosed , possibly on ketamine, had to be coaxed from the train carriage by company staff.

She witnessed this incident 2 weeks ago while on a trip to London:(trips to London are now forbidden of course.)

She’s also told me of local reports in her part of Sussex of many youngsters going missing.

How much more of this utterly unforgiveable carnage will we have to endure before our handsomely remunerated leaders come to their senses?

How many more young people will die? I keep thinking with great sadness of poor young father Sherwin Hall, who recently died, having spent fruitless months attempting to convince medics of the seriousness of his condition-aggressive metastatic pelvic cancer,-only to have treatment suspended by the National Covid Service. He leaves a widow and young son.

Rates of depression are climbing, redundancies are rising,impoverishment and indebtedness are crippling thousands of lives, protest is criminalised,informed dissent is cancelled and the powers that be make a mockery of informed consent.

End of rant.

312556 Danny, replying to Danny, 6, #511 of 2079 🔗

Just watching Hancock on the BBC after another sleepless night. In response to his fatuous blathering about how the government had no choice, I would simply ask why they have never banned alcohol or cigarettes.

312560 ▶▶ Charlie Blue, replying to Danny, 3, #512 of 2079 🔗

Tax revenue.

312584 ▶▶▶ Danny, replying to Charlie Blue, 11, #513 of 2079 🔗

Yes I know,
But I mean it. They say that to drink is personal choice, whereas Covid is about others, but you could argue that just as much with alcohol. I would estimate around 90% of domestic abuse, muggings, assaults etc, are under the influence, let alone driving offences. Then there’s the cost to the NHS from all the alcohol related illness. All “selfish” surely.

312573 ▶▶ TC, replying to Danny, 1, #514 of 2079 🔗

My wife insists on watching Andrew Marr.
I stronly distrust the Ministry of Truth.
They allow Hancock to get away with omissions and not answering questions but I admit I’m biased.

312597 ▶▶▶ Tom Blackburn, replying to TC, 4, #515 of 2079 🔗

I used to watch it religiously. Have probably watched it 4 times this year. Marr was probing today but no sucker punch. Took pity on Wanksock. Pathetic.

312558 TC, replying to TC, 15, #516 of 2079 🔗

Could someone explain how “the Science” can pick out one mutated virus strain, establish it is more transmissible and ,to me anyway, surprisingly quantify that transmissibility as 70% with what seems to be a narrow number of established cases?

312562 ▶▶ Londo Mollari, replying to TC, 8, #517 of 2079 🔗

Science can’t do that politics can.

312565 ▶▶ wendyk, replying to TC, 3, #518 of 2079 🔗

It’s the new woke science, welcome to 2+2=5 world.

312571 ▶▶ Smelly Melly, replying to TC, 4, #519 of 2079 🔗

Thats Social “Scientists” for you.

312579 ▶▶ Henry, replying to TC, 3, #520 of 2079 🔗

Exactly, are we doing viral cultures on every PCR test sample? Be nice to see some info on this

312600 ▶▶ chaos, replying to TC, 6, #521 of 2079 🔗

‘The science’ or ‘their science’ can eplain 3 steel-framed skyscapers all falling the same way on 911. Two hit by a plane. One not. Straight down. Freefall speeds. It can also explain weapons inspectors committing suicide in the woods. And man-made climate change.

312732 ▶▶ jb12, replying to TC, 4, #522 of 2079 🔗

It is so easily spread that it has been around for 3 months and has infected 1000 people!

312817 ▶▶ Noumenon, replying to TC, -4, #523 of 2079 🔗

Don’t be so ignorant, science isn’t perfect but this is a good guess by scientists who know their science.

312906 ▶▶ Jo Dominich, replying to TC, 3, #524 of 2079 🔗

Even the WHO has trashed Wancock’s claims. He obviously hasn’t read them though.

312564 vargas99, replying to vargas99, 29, #525 of 2079 🔗

Quote from Wancock this morning: He said that everyone who lives in a tier four area “must behave as if they have the virus”.

Where does one start with this piece of stinking bullshit? I am speechless….

312568 ▶▶ vargas99, replying to vargas99, 16, #526 of 2079 🔗

Although, thinking about it, perhaps everyone who lives in tier 4 areas should go to their local hospital and demand treatment as if they have the virus.

312587 ▶▶ TC, replying to vargas99, 4, #527 of 2079 🔗

Vallance said that so I suppose that will be the new compliants’ catchy slogan.
If they thought they had Sars – Cov2 then they should all socially isolate,should they not?
Thoughtful comments from Mr Hancock and Sir Patrick!

312589 ▶▶ Tom Blackburn, replying to vargas99, 5, #528 of 2079 🔗

Yes, that stuck out for me too. I am sure there are no psychological or societal impacts from such unadulterated shit advice.

312811 ▶▶ Noumenon, replying to vargas99, 1, #529 of 2079 🔗

Surely all their contacts should go into self isolation then? Think about that a second. ALL contacts of millions of people in the south east…

312900 ▶▶ Silke David, replying to vargas99, 5, #530 of 2079 🔗

Well, yes, so from today everyone has the virus, so in 2 weeks time everyone is immune and we can stop all this nonsense.
Just in time to count all the domestic abuse victims, suicides, child abuse and deaths of elderly residents in care homes who just gave up. And all the people who drank too much as there is f…ing else to do over- now an extended -xmas period.

312961 ▶▶ Mutineer, replying to vargas99, 3, #531 of 2079 🔗

Wancock is a serial killer. Total psychopath.

313160 ▶▶ annie, replying to vargas99, #532 of 2079 🔗

They’ve been telling everyone that for months. An excellent way to undermine people’s sense of self-worth.

312567 Smelly Melly, replying to Smelly Melly, 11, #533 of 2079 🔗

So in a 3 tier system the tyrants magic a tier 4 out of thin air.

312574 ▶▶ Charlie Blue, replying to Smelly Melly, 7, #534 of 2079 🔗

I thought we would have a tier 4 when we first ended lockdown 2. I’m only surprised they waited this long. Plenty of room for tier 5 in January.

313814 ▶▶▶ Borisbullshit, replying to Charlie Blue, #535 of 2079 🔗

Does Tier 5 mean we get tied to the Iron Bridge?

312638 ▶▶ Wolver, replying to Smelly Melly, 3, #536 of 2079 🔗

Magic isn’t it. Not technically a full lockdown either, so no vote in parliament needed.

312569 Fcuk off Boris, 24, #537 of 2079 🔗

These protesters and the real reporters (as opposed to the wankers who work for main stream media) filming it are the real heros of our time. Fuck clapping for the NHS, clap (and donate) to those courageous people marching for our rights. THANK YOU TO ALL THAT MARCHED.
The government have got no fucking right to take our civil liberties, they are a bunch of spineless incompetent pricks.

312572 chaos, replying to chaos, 15, #538 of 2079 🔗

Covid is a trojan horse for The Great Reset.
But The Great Reset is a trojan horse for a Great Depression.
The plebs have mostly bought into covid.
Our ‘leaders’ have mostly bought into The Great Reset. Wind farms and drones dropping off toasters for hire appeals to narcisstic types like Boris who want to build legacies, e.g. garden bridge, bridge to Ireland, HS2. They earn him blow jobs from Nut Nut and congrats from his wife-beating dad.

But we are all being had. There is no great reset with windfarms and sex changes for all. The emperor has no clothes or drones or hydrogen boilers.

312623 ▶▶ John P, replying to chaos, 3, #539 of 2079 🔗

windfarms, wokery and the GR bolllocks have nothing to do with this!

The Tories put their woke Green agenda in their manifesto at the last election. They have been talking about it for years!

Peter Hitchens was trying to get people to “wake up” about the reality of the Tory party as early as 2010, but nobody listened to him.

312637 ▶▶▶ chaos, replying to John P, 2, #540 of 2079 🔗

It’s connected, but yes.. agree.. the tories are no longer tories.

312663 ▶▶▶ Andrew K, replying to John P, 6, #541 of 2079 🔗

This is nothing to do with Tories, Labour or monster raving loony party. Party politics is irrelevant. Look around every nation on every continent has gone insane. They are being controlled by a much greater power. Once people see this then we can try and fight/resist this for the sake of us and future generations to come.

312918 ▶▶▶ Jonathan Palmer, replying to John P, 3, #542 of 2079 🔗

You are very much mistaken.The UK had signed up to all sorts of environmental targets.Covid is the vehicle to achieve this.Look up UN agenda 21/30.Its all there in black and white.

313270 ▶▶▶ annie, replying to John P, #543 of 2079 🔗

Tories just approved third runway for Heathrow, how green is that?
How green is fracking?

312870 ▶▶ Llamasaurus Rex, replying to chaos, 1, #544 of 2079 🔗

Every word nails it, dear chaos

312582 Salopian’, replying to Salopian’, 16, #545 of 2079 🔗

From now on I suggest we use the more accurate term of ‘collaborators ‘to replace what were formerly known as ‘bed wetters ‘on this site.

313824 ▶▶ Borisbullshit, replying to Salopian’, #546 of 2079 🔗


312585 dhid, replying to dhid, 3, #547 of 2079 🔗

Desmond Swayne on Talk Radio now.

312609 ▶▶ dhid, replying to dhid, 2, #548 of 2079 🔗

Oh dear he mentioned the vaccine – was doing quite well til then…

312660 ▶▶▶ Wolver, replying to dhid, 8, #549 of 2079 🔗

Didn’t Ofcom bring in strict rules on what can and can’t be said about covid and vaccines?
As much as I don’t like it, Talkradio is the only place that challenges MP’s, we can’t afford to lose them.

312680 ▶▶▶▶ dhid, replying to Wolver, 3, #550 of 2079 🔗

Yes I think that is the reason for the “balanced” approach, so as to not loose the licence.

312726 ▶▶▶▶▶ jb12, replying to dhid, 2, #551 of 2079 🔗

Loose the licence on what exactly?

312752 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ dhid, replying to jb12, 1, #552 of 2079 🔗

Broadcast licence.

312713 ▶▶▶▶ dhid, replying to Wolver, -5, #553 of 2079 🔗

If you had sufficient brain cells you would realise that if they said what they might like to say they would be taken off air.

That would be “useful”. Not.

312724 ▶▶▶▶▶ jb12, replying to dhid, 1, #554 of 2079 🔗

Hush, knob.

312755 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ dhid, replying to jb12, -5, #555 of 2079 🔗

and you – Stick it up your arse twat!

312753 ▶▶▶▶▶ dhid, replying to dhid, -6, #556 of 2079 🔗

Stick it up your arse twat!

312813 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ TheOriginalBlackPudding, replying to dhid, 2, #557 of 2079 🔗

We don’t need gratuitous vulgarity and personal invective. Once was one too many, let alone a repeat performance.
Being a generous sort, I’ll assume you’re having a bad day (we all get them) and that your future contributions will strike a civil tone.

313184 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ dhid, replying to TheOriginalBlackPudding, -2, #558 of 2079 🔗

You are clearly a pompous and rather pointless “Snowflake Pudding”.

Never mind.

You clearly didn’t read the earlier pointless and inaccurate “replies” from the two – or is that one? fool(s) who doesn’t understand that Talk Radio is a Licensed Broadcast Radio Station in the UK and can’t therefore say anything they may like to.

I couldn’t give a stuff what you think or that you have clearly never read any other posts I have made.

Now why don’t you get back to Bunker 77 Lt. Col. and give us all a break eh?


313565 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Llamasaurus Rex, replying to dhid, 1, #559 of 2079 🔗

Dear dhid. You may be right. You may be wrong. You may be a bot. But you are very aggressive and nasty in your posts. That may well be because your passionate and angry. I don’t know. And your anger is cool by me. Express as you want, of course. But your communication is not productive because I suspect many here just think you’re a cunt.

313583 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Llamasaurus Rex, replying to TheOriginalBlackPudding, #560 of 2079 🔗

I agree. Passion is good…but let’s be decent. Of course we all have bad days….jeez I have a lot of em. But I love this place and I hope we can carry on with the decency, respect and humour. When biker rants, I split my sides. He’s got soul. C’mon dhid….build the resistance, don’t attack it.

313830 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Borisbullshit, replying to dhid, #561 of 2079 🔗


313828 ▶▶▶▶▶ Borisbullshit, replying to dhid, #562 of 2079 🔗

How rude.

312678 ▶▶▶ dhid, replying to dhid, -2, #563 of 2079 🔗

Nah – that’s bollocks – most DO challenge the crap.

I can’t wait to hear what Mike Graham has to say about the latest crap.

312709 ▶▶▶▶ dhid, replying to dhid, -1, #564 of 2079 🔗

I don’t agree with what he said about masks but he has repeatedly made it clear how he now despises the “muppets” running things – he is on holiday – that won’t stop him having an opinion or expressing it.

Is he not allowed to have a holiday then?………..

313572 ▶▶▶▶▶ Llamasaurus Rex, replying to dhid, #565 of 2079 🔗

I like the bloke. A lot. I’ll buy him a drink when I see him. He deserves a holiday.

312875 ▶▶▶▶ Llamasaurus Rex, replying to dhid, 3, #566 of 2079 🔗

It’ll be very sad if TR changes direction. How can Kev O’ go along with it, if TR does that!?

313826 ▶▶▶ Borisbullshit, replying to dhid, #567 of 2079 🔗

They always were really…but they liked to be slightly different…its known as brand differentiation.

313232 ▶▶ Ben, replying to dhid, 1, #568 of 2079 🔗

Controlled opposition I suspect. To perpetuate the illusion of democracy

312588 Alexei, replying to Alexei, 2, #569 of 2079 🔗

Is the tide turning yet?

312594 ▶▶ IanE, replying to Alexei, 1, #570 of 2079 🔗


312601 ▶▶▶ anon, replying to IanE, 1, #571 of 2079 🔗

the wheels on the bus go round and round

until they fall off

312591 James Leary #KBF, replying to James Leary #KBF, #572 of 2079 🔗

Is it me or does that ‘Oliver Johnson’ image on today’s intro look suspiciously like that other false god and national treasure, Jimmy Savile?

312617 ▶▶ John P, replying to James Leary #KBF, -2, #573 of 2079 🔗

Yes, it’s you.

312892 ▶▶ Jo Dominich, replying to James Leary #KBF, 2, #574 of 2079 🔗

Actually, I think there is quite a resemblance there!

312592 justinErtia, replying to justinErtia, 1, #575 of 2079 🔗

Stand and deliver… What a great song! Loved it. But just went here on odysee – a different mix, and the lyrics are a bit punchier too. Just wonderful.

312881 ▶▶ Llamasaurus Rex, replying to justinErtia, 2, #576 of 2079 🔗

Thanks for the link, justinErtia (that’s a great alias btw)

312596 CapLlam, replying to CapLlam, 11, #577 of 2079 🔗

So last night after the decree , people in my friends group chat started saying it was a shame about Christmas but that it was the right thing to do ! A couple of them were skeptics about the new so called strain but not about the uturn on the rules.

They are all for lockdowns and think this deadly virus is going to get them. One of them did the Survey and locked a whole school year down as her son had a false positive. ( he tested + one week but not the next ). I just can’t deal with them anymore, I’m taking a break from them for my mental health.

My best friend however has the same sentiments as me and is saying Boris can f**k off with cancelling whatever plans we both have for Christmas.

My MIL messaged my other half last night asking if we were still going on Boxing Day. He didn’t have a clue what had happened as he was working at the time but once I told him he too was telling Boris to f**k off.

I have noticed that a lot of my social media has been quiet about yesterday announcement.

312692 ▶▶ RickH, replying to CapLlam, 6, #578 of 2079 🔗

I had a real downer yesterday when talking to an old friend. I came up against the solid wall that the propaganda initiative has built in the minds of individuals.

To begin to unpick the misperceptions and insert facts is bloody hard. People really do believe – against all common sense – that this virus is at a level that would have hospitals overflowing and people dropping dead in the streets.

… and just ranting at their ‘stupidity’ does nothing useful.

312598 RickH, replying to RickH, 15, #579 of 2079 🔗

It came after he received alarming new evidence that a variant strain of COVID-19 – called VUI2020/12/01 – was ripping through areas in Tier 3, where restrictions were failing to control the spread”

C’mon – get real. He has no such ‘evidence’. The words ‘claims to’ needs to be in there.

312603 ▶▶ Robin, replying to RickH, 4, #580 of 2079 🔗

The sweet smell of bullshit

312613 pvenkman, 9, #581 of 2079 🔗

Boris is not levelling up the north, he is levelling down the south!

312616 D B, 2, #582 of 2079 🔗

Was hoping for a stats-bomb to refute what was pumped out by the mainstream media & the government. A bit disappointed with the regurgitation of the government message, with very little analysis.

312618 Phoneutria, replying to Phoneutria, 7, #583 of 2079 🔗

Nominated Toby for the Contrarian Prize. It takes about 5-10 minutes, but worth doing.

312632 ▶▶ chaos, replying to Phoneutria, 5, #584 of 2079 🔗

I nominated Delingpole. I think Ivor Cummins and Dave Cullen are perhaps even more worthy recipients.

313599 ▶▶▶ Spikedee1, replying to chaos, #585 of 2079 🔗

Yes to Dave Cullen. He was the first lockdown sceptic I heard. Dragged me out a dark place where I thought I was the only person able to see this shit. Then he interviewed Delores Cahill and all these other doors opened to me.

312619 GorbalsGirl, replying to GorbalsGirl, 61, #586 of 2079 🔗

I’ve known the British media establishment to be wicked little liars since their glee at Dr David Kelly’s “suicide” in time for the Iraq oil grab. And right from March 2020, Boris’ media briefings have had the same stench of shite that I can smell even way up here in the Gorbals, amongst the festering overflowed bins, dead rats and the rancid whiff of Wee Krankie’s skid-marked drawers.

Yesterday’s announcement was quite obviously planned to maximise emotional hurt on the British people. To give everyone a good kicking when they had something innocent and wholesome to look forward to. And to confuse, disrupt and sow discord among families and friends.

This is a war on humanity, and these people (whoever “they” are) want to make you hurt. They want to hurt your family and friends. They want to hurt your children. I have no idea why anyone would want to do such an evil thing, but it is an undeniable fact now. This was a clearly calculated move to cause maximum hurt on the British public.

If you’re hurting today then remember this: it’s a war. And no victory comes without pain. You are hurting because you are a soldier for truth and reason, and your pain is a battle scar. It is proof of your humanity. It is something to embrace and weaponise against those that have started this war, because we will never give in to their evil agenda.

Resist in every way you can. Cultivate scepticism wherever you go. Do not comply with any of their bullshit rules and lead by example. Do not fear any evil – for goodness is with you.

And know that you are not alone.

312652 ▶▶ karenovirus, replying to GorbalsGirl, 7, #587 of 2079 🔗

England tier 4 lockdown matching exactly the two week Xmas New Year shutdown is no coincidence.

312684 ▶▶▶ Jonathan Palmer, replying to karenovirus, 1, #588 of 2079 🔗

What is your point?

313030 ▶▶▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Jonathan Palmer, 5, #589 of 2079 🔗

Maximum curtailment of freedoms with minimum damage to the economy, as if they cared.
It’s just about compliance, humiliation and control.

313515 ▶▶▶▶ Rowan, replying to Jonathan Palmer, 1, #590 of 2079 🔗

You really need to be told?

312991 ▶▶ Pebbles, replying to GorbalsGirl, 7, #591 of 2079 🔗

Well said. I have handed copies of Norman Baker’s “The Strange Death of David Kelly” to many people. Few have actually read it. The parallels are staggering – the hubris, the arrogance, the glee, the targeted distortion of truth, the massaging of facts by the highest echelons… the corruption!

Oh and by the way it contains a great few pages on bio weapons.. for those people who still think “that’s not sth the UK would ever get involved in”.

It is a war over the human soul, which is why they (shadows that reach far beyond Johnson) seek to dehumanize us at every possible juncture.

312621 common conservative, replying to common conservative, 20, #592 of 2079 🔗

*Reposted (and edited) because this is important*

Had a bit of a ding-dong yesterday with a bus driver who asked me for proof that I am exempt from wearing a mask. I said he was not supposed to be asking me for proof of exemption. He said he was. I said he wasn’t. He said he was. As riveting as this was, I didn’t have time for such compelling dialogue, so I whipped out my phone, went to the government’s own guidlines on face coverings and held this little nugget up to the screen between us:

‘Exemption cards

If you have an age, health or disability reason for not wearing a face covering:

you do not routinely need to show any written evidence of this

you do not need show an exemption card’


His face was a picture. In fairness, he apologised and said, ‘At least I now know for the future!’

What an indictment. I see it time and again. Those ‘enforcing’ this nonsense don’t have a bloody clue about the guidlines!

Please pass on this link to any friends/family you suspect might be unfamiliar with the guidlines. They do not need to be bullied into proving their exemption:


312626 ▶▶ John P, replying to common conservative, 5, #593 of 2079 🔗


312646 ▶▶ karenovirus, replying to common conservative, 7, #594 of 2079 🔗

That is the fault of his employer for not briefing him correctly.
To be fair the supermarkets did this very well, less so some Police ‘services’.

312659 ▶▶▶ common conservative, replying to karenovirus, 4, #595 of 2079 🔗

Not to mention his own fault for not taking personal responsibility and checking the guidlines for himself before spouting off.

312686 ▶▶▶▶ Waldorf, replying to common conservative, 6, #596 of 2079 🔗

I think some of them enjoy the high of pushing other people into a corner too much to get their facts right.

313167 ▶▶ annie, replying to common conservative, 1, #597 of 2079 🔗

Well done, a brilliant fight-back.

312625 Smelly Melly, replying to Smelly Melly, 21, #598 of 2079 🔗

Out of respect for the dead, we are going to have a minutes silence for every person we personally know who’s died of this terrible killer disease.

So that’ll be zero seconds wasted.

312640 ▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Smelly Melly, 5, #599 of 2079 🔗

The figure to look out for is total UK Mortality 2020 which the ONSshould produce in the first week of January.
After allowing for lockdown induced suicide and death by NHS neglect it is likely to be much the same as usual.

312654 ▶▶▶ Smelly Melly, replying to karenovirus, 9, #600 of 2079 🔗

Precisely. I hope others have recorded the total death figures for the past 5 years. I wouldn’t put it past them to “manipulate” the figures. To show how deadly this flu pandemic has been.

312675 ▶▶▶▶ RickH, replying to Smelly Melly, 5, #601 of 2079 🔗

The ONS figures for the past 25 years are in plain sight – but people have willed blindness; no manipulation needed.

312674 ▶▶▶ RickH, replying to karenovirus, 5, #602 of 2079 🔗

We don’t really have to wait, given the weekly cumulative data. We already know that nothing unusual is happening, with only the April spike pushing the total cumulative figure towards a temporary high (but not ‘unprecedented’) level, from where it has been declining since then

312868 ▶▶▶▶ Dorian_Hawkmoon, replying to RickH, 3, #603 of 2079 🔗

…and the nature of death recording during that spike means we are unlikely ever to determine the mortality profile of the spike despite suspicions it was a combination that included throwing frail care home residents under the bus. Despite this, it continues to be trotted out as if it applies currently and as if it was purely a SARSCoV2 event.

313615 ▶▶▶▶▶ Spikedee1, replying to Dorian_Hawkmoon, #604 of 2079 🔗

But when this is all over and they have to release the deaths by suicide (quietly) number. Oh how the people will wail, why didn’t you tell us!!

312631 PoshPanic, replying to PoshPanic, 1, #605 of 2079 🔗

So if you were genuinely fighting a pandemic and rolling out the biggest vaccine experiment of all time, wouldn’t you need some data on the immunity profile over time?
Maybe I’m misunderstanding “the science”?

312634 ▶▶ PoshPanic, replying to PoshPanic, 2, #606 of 2079 🔗

And here is the up to date PCR test numbers for comparison
edit…virus tests total

312633 malasdair, replying to malasdair, 19, #607 of 2079 🔗

Boris : how far do you think we can push the populace Matt?
Matt: I dunno, let’s find out Bojo!

We are now in Farce Land…

312643 ▶▶ chaos, replying to malasdair, 2, #608 of 2079 🔗

Will we really have windfarms and electric taxis for everyone Boris? Sometimes I think Klaus lies. That something else is going on and we are mere henchmen.
Yes Matt. The people will love us. It’s going to be as great as Klaus says.

313206 ▶▶▶ Tee Ell, replying to chaos, 1, #609 of 2079 🔗

Maybe not, but I have full faith that funding will be made available for powerful people who claim they will spend it on “green” projects.

312667 ▶▶ RickH, replying to malasdair, 3, #610 of 2079 🔗

What do you mean – ‘now’? We’ve been there for months.

312644 George Mc, replying to George Mc, 7, #611 of 2079 🔗

Can you believe this?:


Three hours ago, I got my first dose of #CovidVaccine. So far, it hasn’t altered my DNA or even turned me into a newt. It has, however, started to protect me against #COVID19. Thanks @karmanoscancer, @McLarenHealth, and @Walgreens for being so organized in getting us the vaccine.

I suspect that this is purposive psychological destabilisation. This little show of “Hey – who needs vaccination trials when I can try it out on myself for you right here” is clearly meant as a joke which is taunting us. He’s really saying, “Ha! Look what we can do now and it doesn’t matter anyway because sooner or later you are going to have to take this poison!”

312778 ▶▶ Ewan Duffy, replying to George Mc, 6, #612 of 2079 🔗

Someone should explain to this dufus that when terrorists plant a bomb, they use a timer to delay detonation.

312645 George Mc, replying to George Mc, 30, #613 of 2079 🔗

The neighbour’s 100 year old mother just died after taking the vaccine. Well, granted that she was 100. But I suspect that the vaccine killed her by simply being an alien substance pumped into an aged body.

312882 ▶▶ Jo Dominich, replying to George Mc, 3, #614 of 2079 🔗

People need to log these things. What is a fact, she was a live before she took it and seemingly doing well.

312648 l835, replying to l835, 21, #615 of 2079 🔗

Why isn’t everyone dead yet? Nearly a year of killer virus. Anyway Heil drakeford.

312664 ▶▶ RickH, replying to l835, 7, #616 of 2079 🔗

It’s the innumeracy vaccination – sure protection against being infected by logic.

312785 ▶▶ Ben, replying to l835, 3, #617 of 2079 🔗

I still don’t anyone who’s had it. But now it’s become ‘Covid 2.0 – The Revenge’

312879 ▶▶ Jo Dominich, replying to l835, 7, #618 of 2079 🔗

Well, I’m currently experiencing asymptomatic death symptoms, does that help?

313173 ▶▶▶ annie, replying to Jo Dominich, 2, #619 of 2079 🔗

Have you tested positive for death?

312651 Les Tricoteuses, replying to Les Tricoteuses, 19, #620 of 2079 🔗

Moved on from anger now, I’m into laughter territory.
Part of me hopes the govt puts whole country in tier 4 before 25th, let’s close churches as well. Close all the shops, people are dying in their thousands don’t ya know.
Total insanity might just wake up enough people, can’t see anything else working.

312782 ▶▶ Ben, replying to Les Tricoteuses, 8, #621 of 2079 🔗

I know of three families and their relatives who are sticking to their original Christmas plans (when the Government allowed 5 days of freedom). They’ve spent money and made travel arrangements.. F**k the Government

312874 ▶▶ Jo Dominich, replying to Les Tricoteuses, 8, #622 of 2079 🔗

With you there. I’m finding this whole thing is now one great pantomime with Johnson as the Chief Clown and Wancock as the Widow Twanky. I refuse to get despondent or despair. The show is coming to an end of that, I am absolutely certain. BTW I’d like to see Starmer swinging from a rope as well.

312658 Les Tricoteuses, 8, #623 of 2079 🔗

Ad break on talk radio. Tesco “there is no naughty list” nearly spat out my coffee whilst suppressing my laughter. Followed by all the other ads about having a good Christmas. Very surreal.

312665 AnotherSceptic, 5, #624 of 2079 🔗

& today’s Brainwashing shit, comes from the wanker dentist….this cunt needs locked up.
I read a bit of it, but my piss is boiling, so I didn’t finish reading it.

But, if you read it all & don’t get angry, well done you. I really really am getting extremely pissed off with this.


312668 alw, replying to alw, 9, #625 of 2079 🔗

2020 No. 1611
The Health Protection (Coronavirus, Restrictions) (All Tiers and Obligations of Undertakings) (England) (Amendment) Regulations 2020
Made – – – – at 6.00 a.m on 20th December 2020 Coming into force at 07.00 a.m. on 20th December 2020
Laid before Parliament 21st December 2020
The Secretary of State makes the following Regulations in exercise of the powers conferred by sections 45C(1), (3)(c), (4)(b) and (4)(d), 45F(2) and 45P of the Public Health (Control of Disease) Act 1984(a).
These Regulations are made in response to the serious and imminent threat to public health which is posed by the incidence and spread of severe acute respiratory syndrome coronavirus 2 (SARS- CoV-2) in England.
The Secretary of State considers that the restrictions and requirements imposed by the Health Protection (Coronavirus, Restrictions) (All Tiers) (England) Regulations 2020(b) as amended by these Regulations are proportionate to what they seek to achieve, which is a public health response to that threat.
In accordance with section 45R of the Public Health (Control of Disease) Act 1984, the Secretary of State is of the opinion that, by reason of urgency, it is necessary to make this instrument without a draft having been laid before, and approved by a resolution of, each House of Parliament.”

Amendment made at 6 am yesterday morning so what was the point of Boris‘s meeting when it was already a fate accompli.

It has not been laid before Parliament and will be done tomorrow.

And spot the lie ; “ These Regulations are made in response to the serious and imminent threat to public health which is posed by the incidence and spread of severe acute respiratory syndrome coronavirus 2 (SARS- CoV-2) in England.”

Also misuse of Public Health Act again.

312677 ▶▶ Wolver, replying to alw, 3, #626 of 2079 🔗

No irony here “Public Health (Control of Disease) Act 1984”

312711 ▶▶ RickH, replying to alw, 12, #627 of 2079 🔗

THe claim of a ‘serious and imminent threat to public health’ – the central lie – should be challengeable in court.

That lack of protection from (a) an investigative media, (b) an active parliament and (c) the judiciary, is what has knackered democracy, which depends upon a balancing of forces.

312747 ▶▶▶ Jonathan Palmer, replying to RickH, 6, #628 of 2079 🔗

The courts are on side.There is no opposition and the media have been bought off.This is a coup.Rule of law and democracy are over.

312714 ▶▶ Templeton, replying to alw, 2, #629 of 2079 🔗

Arent they all on holiday from today? What a coincidence

312669 Hairy Bob, replying to Hairy Bob, 30, #630 of 2079 🔗

In my house we have agreed that use of the word ‘cunt’ is now acceptable when used to describe Boris Johnson.

312698 ▶▶ CGL, replying to Hairy Bob, 11, #631 of 2079 🔗

And surely Wancock?? He’s the worst of the lot for me

312704 ▶▶▶ Tom Blackburn, replying to CGL, 9, #632 of 2079 🔗

Agreed. Going on TV pretending to cry whilst only weeks ago – when he feels on top – dismisses eminent scientists who deign to offer him a route out of this mess of his own making. Calls them outliers. Zero sympathy and I will be raising a toast when he is relieved of his services.

312758 ▶▶▶▶ George L, replying to Tom Blackburn, 8, #633 of 2079 🔗

I’ll be raising a toast when I see the bastard swinging from a lamppost!

313178 ▶▶▶▶▶ annie, replying to George L, 1, #634 of 2079 🔗

We’ll need a Nebuchadnezzar.
(A bottle that holds 15 litres40 bottles’ worth of champagne. Trivial fact courtesy of House of Games.) I think that if I saw Dungford hanged I could make considerable inroads into a Nebuchadnezzar.

312734 ▶▶▶ Hairy Bob, replying to CGL, 3, #635 of 2079 🔗

We are currently debating what to call Hancock. The Profanosorous is being consulted. Tagnut is quite popular.

312672 NickR, replying to NickR, 6, #636 of 2079 🔗

I just don’t buy it.

312702 ▶▶ RickH, replying to NickR, 6, #637 of 2079 🔗

… but millions do, Nick – that’s the problem.

312673 Binra, replying to Binra, 2, #638 of 2079 🔗

Sean Walsh’s featured article

on fakery and the nature of addictive compulsion has hit the core issue and the underlying reason for the breakdown and indeed failure of communication. He also indicates the basis to withdraw support for the addict.

No amount of reasoned and well sourced information, graphs or argument has any effect because it is a kettled ‘threat’ to the overriding intent of those whose survival is framed in the ‘Covid’ as leverage.

The hierarchy of leverage that operates as a top down dictate, reveals a network of Financial and Corporate capture of core services, institutions and social narratives.
It does not not in the first case matter exactly who or how the driven and compulsive dissociation is operating so much as to recognise it is the nature of what is active, and to withdraw support for its fakery.

This withdrawal is of no longer engaging with a charade.
It is not the intent to demonise and attack a charade or engage in futile attempts to morally leverage in appeal to decency or the cast of shame.

It is learning to give no response in the kind that feeds or fuels the masking defences that are running as an ever mutating hijack of the living under a death cult of driven addiction.

End the addiction affliction.

We all have degrees and levels of invested identity and participance in what is unfolding as a manipulation of the public mind by a private agenda. For example we can all become addicted to drama that can dispossess us of a calm and centred view so as to invest ever more identity in outcomes that are essentially framed by the manipulator.

From that honesty of awareness it is secondary as to how much is planned and how much is opportunistic.
The essential response is the starve the fire of oxygen, firstly in ourselves and our own restoration to sanity, and then as ongoing responsibility in our thought, language and dealings with others and collectively to those who are embodying the fear-driven control agenda – regardless whether they know what they do or merely believe what fear dictates they must.

Indulging our emotional conflicts can feed our own short term satisfactions as the playing out of personal reactions that invariably feed the inflammation and set up layers of diversion to a clear signal.

One of the ways to read what is going on is to look beneath all the personality reactions to the pattern of effect. As attempt to shut down communication and prevent consciousness restoring from shock, while actively consolidating and implementing systemic controls to deny our human consciousness to the status of an asset in its control system instituted in our name and for our safety with our consent.

It needs understanding that consent is being framed by coercive manipulations that target our hopes and fears, so as to leverage our human sympathy and antipathy. Consent is given by abnegating our own will for a fakery that purports to ‘save us’ from an intolerable situation that is partly set up by manipulative intent, but is made effective by our taking the bait by reaction, that delivers us to a net of entanglement under the illusion of escape or self-protection.

This need no be.

Our reaction need not be addictively dictated by a mind that is not fully present.

This is posted at

312861 ▶▶ Jo Dominich, replying to Binra, 3, #639 of 2079 🔗

I think the MSM need to stop giving Wancock any airtime, he is clearly addicted to not only the power but loves the limelight that goes with it. Yet he has nothing to say, nothing at all other than lies.

312679 Bruce Reynolds, replying to Bruce Reynolds, 66, #640 of 2079 🔗

Well at midday I shall be enjoying a Guinness at an unamed public house behind locked doors and closed curtains, the Xmas tree is up and the place will be buzzing, the assembled skeptics will raise their glasses and in unison will chant FUCK YOU JOHNSON!!!!!!!!

312681 ▶▶ common conservative, replying to Bruce Reynolds, 24, #641 of 2079 🔗

Behold the rise of the new speakeasy!

312688 ▶▶▶ Waldorf, replying to common conservative, 3, #642 of 2079 🔗

“The corona marshals would like to know your location”

312708 ▶▶▶▶ Bruce Reynolds, replying to Waldorf, 17, #643 of 2079 🔗

In my area the corona Marshall’s value there lives to much to stick there noses in other people’s business.

312774 ▶▶ Ben, replying to Bruce Reynolds, 8, #644 of 2079 🔗

Politicians, journalists, civil servants, celebrities will have their own speakeasys

312683 Ceci, replying to Ceci, 17, #645 of 2079 🔗

The Rapists Dad has excelled himself this time

In addition to his ban on selling children’s clothes in winter he has banned selling toys at Christmas

The son is a chip off the old block

312772 ▶▶ Ben, replying to Ceci, 13, #646 of 2079 🔗

He says ‘don’t be selfish’ then bans the sale of toys at Christmas and children’s winter clothes in winter. Is Drakeford a psychopath?

312859 ▶▶▶ Jo Dominich, replying to Ben, 2, #647 of 2079 🔗

He is criminally insane, amounts to the same thing really. But remember, I suspect he is acting on Comrade Dictator Starmer’s orders too.

313340 ▶▶▶▶ Salopian’, replying to Jo Dominich, 1, #648 of 2079 🔗

His son’s mitigation was a low I Q.
Expect his dad to to use same excuse on the day of reckoning

313180 ▶▶▶ annie, replying to Ben, 1, #649 of 2079 🔗


314028 ▶▶▶ MsStroppster, replying to Ben, #650 of 2079 🔗


312689 Ceci, replying to Ceci, 8, #651 of 2079 🔗

The prick Shapps is getting very close to the top of the list

312736 ▶▶ Jonathan Palmer, replying to Ceci, 3, #652 of 2079 🔗

Hancock No 1 for me.Never to be beaten

312691 AnotherSceptic, replying to AnotherSceptic, 8, #653 of 2079 🔗

& so it continues, Please join me in destroying these fucking idiots.
One of the previous commenters, has now trotted out the “I know people who are still ill from the first wave & they had no underlying health conditions, so
It’s worse then the common flu”

I knew they would do that, so I have replied back.
Oh, & my mate euro2020 has called me a sad weirdo who still stays with his mum & then trotted out his usual response, calling me a clown”
lol couldn’t be more wrong…these people are the arseholes we are up against.
Can someone maybe post with me & get these retards told?


312701 ▶▶ Nick, replying to AnotherSceptic, -42, #654 of 2079 🔗

I know 6 people that have died of Covid this year. I can’t remember a single person dying of the Flu. Your not a skeptic – your a Covidiot

312706 ▶▶▶ AnotherSceptic, replying to Nick, 12, #655 of 2079 🔗

Well…you are obviously unlucky or a jinx. Or even an arsehole…I will leave that up to you.
But I know what my money would be on..it begins with the letter A….

312707 ▶▶▶ common conservative, replying to Nick, 9, #656 of 2079 🔗

So you don’t have many friends. Why brag about that?

312710 ▶▶▶ Templeton, replying to Nick, 4, #657 of 2079 🔗

Educate yourself.

312722 ▶▶▶▶ SionnachAirgid, replying to Templeton, 17, #658 of 2079 🔗

Not to mention ‘you’re’ not ‘your’. grammatical standards slipping at the 77th..

312729 ▶▶▶▶▶ Basileus, replying to SionnachAirgid, 2, #659 of 2079 🔗

Beat me to it.

312717 ▶▶▶ AnotherSceptic, replying to Nick, 10, #660 of 2079 🔗

It’s a shame that out of 1 million sperm, you were the fastest Nick…
What a waste.

312719 ▶▶▶ Iansn, replying to Nick, 8, #661 of 2079 🔗

being unable to remember anyone dying of flu doesnt mean it never happened it just never happened in your circle or knowledge.

312723 ▶▶▶ RickH, replying to Nick, 4, #662 of 2079 🔗

So how come there’s no overall rise in expected mortality if it’s so prevalent? Or were those six just desperate to avoid contact? 🙂

312731 ▶▶▶ Wolver, replying to Nick, 5, #663 of 2079 🔗

Of covid or with covid?

312735 ▶▶▶ common conservative, replying to Nick, 7, #664 of 2079 🔗

‘Your not a skeptic – your a Covidiot’

The bloody irony! It’s ‘You’re’ and ‘you’re’ again, shit for brains. And a full stop at the end of that mess would have been nice.

So who’s the idiot, idiot?

312737 ▶▶▶ calchas, replying to Nick, 6, #665 of 2079 🔗

How is it known that it was covid?

312738 ▶▶▶ Jonathan Palmer, replying to Nick, 7, #666 of 2079 🔗

Bigger odds than the lottery

312740 ▶▶▶ George L, replying to Nick, 7, #667 of 2079 🔗

Don’t tell.. they were all skydivers whose parachutes failed and they got infected on the way down..

Go away and think of another fairytale..

312741 ▶▶▶ Ceci, replying to Nick, 10, #668 of 2079 🔗

Ooops must be serious the 77th working on a Sunday

312746 ▶▶▶ Les Tricoteuses, replying to Nick, 5, #669 of 2079 🔗

Covidiot: Person whose mental capacity has been reduced to the level of idiot by a constant barrage of covid 19 propaganda.

Idiot: A technical term in legal and psychiatric contexts for some kinds of profound intellectual disability where the mental age is two years or less, and the person cannot guard themself against common dangers.

The govt I’d treating us like 2 year-olds so my definition of those that believe is accurate.

312750 ▶▶▶ jb12, replying to Nick, 1, #670 of 2079 🔗

I took this as the joke it most likely is. Lighten up, guys.

312770 ▶▶▶▶ AnotherSceptic, replying to jb12, 3, #671 of 2079 🔗

If it was a joke, then I apologise. But if it’s not, then I do not.

312792 ▶▶▶ Smelly Melly, replying to Nick, 2, #672 of 2079 🔗

I call your bluff (lie).

312793 ▶▶▶ Ewan Duffy, replying to Nick, 2, #673 of 2079 🔗

Plenty of resources a Google search away about flu deaths. Here is one:


The 1951 Influenza epidemic – in Liverpool at its peak, deaths from flu exceeded deaths/week in the 1918 pandemic.

312823 ▶▶▶ . OKUK, replying to Nick, 3, #674 of 2079 🔗

American lockdown lunatic? Or just some dunce who doesn’t know how to switch the spell checker to British English…I’m a sceptic not a skeptic. Mind you, shows how irrational Webster was – why isn’t it “skeptik”?

Maybe his six friends were all from Weightwatchers and in the 20 stone range… yeah, maybe it’s that fat fantasist Nick addressing us from prison.

312850 ▶▶▶ Jo Dominich, replying to Nick, 3, #675 of 2079 🔗

Ah well, he really is an idiot isn’t he? What about the 28,000 deaths from flu two years ago and 15,000 the year before and so on and so forth. I suspect the 6 people didn’t die of Covid but rather something completely different but it was labelled as such.

312940 ▶▶▶ Silke David, replying to Nick, 5, #676 of 2079 🔗

How do you know it wasn’t flu?
They do not test for flu, as Covid fits their purpose more.

312983 ▶▶▶ BJJ, replying to Nick, 5, #677 of 2079 🔗

The flu is gone, it has been rebranded as Covid.

312808 ▶▶ AnotherSceptic, replying to AnotherSceptic, 2, #678 of 2079 🔗

I’ve never replied to my own post before, however, if it was someone from on here who has made a superb comment on the above mentioned article. I just want to say a big Thank You so much.

Your comment was very eloquently put.

312993 ▶▶▶ FiFiTrixabelle, replying to AnotherSceptic, 2, #679 of 2079 🔗

You’re welcome 😉 ….bunch of to**ers on that site xx

312693 karenovirus, replying to karenovirus, 15, #680 of 2079 🔗

The Standard has hancock criticising Londoners who fled just before tier 4 as ‘totally irresponsible’. Get Real.

There are 3 young ladies staying at our Jurys Inn having fled London tier 3.
Londoners have always done this, they fod it during plague outbreaks and an episode of Foyles War, The Funk Hole, shows them doing it during the Blitz.

312703 ▶▶ Lyra Silvertongue, replying to karenovirus, 8, #681 of 2079 🔗

There’s a lot of mythology about how people acted with stoic resilience during the Blitz. In my city there were essentially refugee camps on common land outside the city centre, where as one might predict general crime and black market dealing were rife. Also, people in surrounding villages would rent spare rooms at exorbitant rates to profit from those desperate to escape the city.

312787 ▶▶▶ NorthumbrianNomad, replying to Lyra Silvertongue, 4, #682 of 2079 🔗

I wish THOSE stories of wartime would be recorded properly, while people still remember. And I’d rather watch a film or series about that than endless Dunkirks, however heroic and extraordinary that government mess turned out tk be.

312756 ▶▶ Jonathan Palmer, replying to karenovirus, 6, #683 of 2079 🔗

London traditionally empties out after the last Friday before Christmas.The majority of the population are from elsewhere these days.Those fleeing last night probably had to bring their travel plans forward.This is the country we live in now;Government by edict via twitter and the TV.

312838 ▶▶ Jo Dominich, replying to karenovirus, 6, #684 of 2079 🔗

Wancock’s opinions re worthless. Ellwood going to a Christmas Party with 27 others present was totally irresponsible. He is the one that is totally irresponsible.

313010 ▶▶ thinkaboutit, replying to karenovirus, 3, #685 of 2079 🔗

Whereas it was ok for MPs to leave London on Thursday and go back to their constituencies.

312696 Lyra Silvertongue, replying to Lyra Silvertongue, 12, #686 of 2079 🔗

Placing areas into Tier 4 and expecting such restrictions to be practically enforcible is a fool’s errand as soon as one looks at the borders. I can see the Portsmouth/Fareham and Portsmouth/Newlands borders actually going through the middle of several businesses and MOD sites on OSM. On other streets one side of the road is Tier 4, the other is Tier 2. And perhaps most significantly, the M27/A27 goes smack through the middle of this East Berlin and you’ve got two ferries and a hovercraft route from Tier 1 ending up in Tier 4, plus international freight!

312804 ▶▶ Dorian_Hawkmoon, replying to Lyra Silvertongue, 7, #687 of 2079 🔗

Next step, whole country tier 4. Tier 5 in development.

312841 ▶▶▶ Jo Dominich, replying to Dorian_Hawkmoon, 2, #688 of 2079 🔗

I don’t think so Dorian. Apart from Starmer and the now defunct Labour Party, the Tory backbenchers are growing in numbers and will become more powerful when Parliament sits again.

312699 TheOriginalBlackPudding, 6, #689 of 2079 🔗

Displacement activity. “Sweating the small stuff” to avoid the pain of confronting that which viscerally she knows.

312716 ▶▶ Leemc23, replying to GuyRich, -1, #691 of 2079 🔗

That looks dubious to me. Very low value and expiry date is before publication date.

312763 ▶▶▶ mjr, replying to Leemc23, 2, #692 of 2079 🔗

not necessarily. seems to be looking for someone to identify MVP – minimum viable product. Basically, in agile development, if the original requirements are too extensive or will take too long to develop / implement, then in order to get something in place quickly the project will look for those requirements that can be implemented together and still function. This is the mvp. so it looks like these contracts are an extension to previously issue larger contracts which are dragging on . So for example 42000 will cover a small team for a couple of weeks which would fit the scenario

just followed the link to full details

extracts is as follows (and YES – it is for a passport)

“DHSC is planning to deploy negative Covid-19 test certification minimum viable product, to enable workplaces, educational centres, health and social care services and places of business to open to members of the public who have tested negative for COVID-19 within a specified timeframe in addition to other criteria.

As part of developing the negative Covid-19 test certification minimum viable product, the Supplier has been requested to provide a Minimum Viable Product to allow trials to take place to enable members of the public to show negative COVID Test status evidence electronically as soon as possible.

Upon completion of the Minimum Viable Product Services, DHSC may award a further contract to a supplier to provision the technology developed by the Supplier. This Minimum Viable Product Commercial Agreement does not guarantee the Supplier any future work or orders from DHSC relating to the Minimum Viable Product Services. The award of any further contracts relating to the Minimum Viable Product Services is subject to approvals of the Minimum Viable Product, the business case and funding.”

312712 Iansn, replying to Iansn, 17, #693 of 2079 🔗

I just heard on the radio that police are stoppingtaxis and fining them for going between tier 2 and tier three around Manchester. Fuckers

312720 ▶▶ common conservative, replying to Iansn, 14, #694 of 2079 🔗

Scum. The police are now the enemy.

312759 ▶▶ Ben, replying to Iansn, 11, #695 of 2079 🔗

If this Corona Scandal house-of-cards ever collapses and life returns to normal, the police may find that they won’t enjoy much respect from the general public

312801 ▶▶▶ RickH, replying to Ben, 5, #696 of 2079 🔗

Yes – the long term damage will be immense.

312829 ▶▶▶ Jo Dominich, replying to Ben, 2, #697 of 2079 🔗

It is collapsing already although it may not look like that.

312969 ▶▶▶▶ Country Mumkin, replying to Jo Dominich, #698 of 2079 🔗

I’ve seen some flicker of light like the WHO and the PCR tests, but I’m not sure what else there is from what I’ve seen.

313189 ▶▶▶ annie, replying to Ben, 2, #699 of 2079 🔗

‘Loathing’ is the best word.
It’s started in Wales already. Good.

312718 Ceci, 14, #700 of 2079 🔗

Wales Online are not even running the story

It doesn’t exist

It shows how deep the corruption goes

312721 Jonathan Palmer, replying to Jonathan Palmer, 34, #701 of 2079 🔗

Hancock has called for Tier 4 restrictions to remain until Vaccine rollout.This is the endgame.We submit or rebel now

312751 ▶▶ Ben, replying to Jonathan Palmer, 20, #702 of 2079 🔗

I’d rather go to prison or die than to take these vaccines and become a human pincushion for Gates and Pharma shareholders. Likewise for the immunity passports. I won’t be branded by tech, as a 21st century slave on a plantation

312780 ▶▶▶ Jonathan Palmer, replying to Ben, 19, #703 of 2079 🔗

Everything is clear now.Tier 4 will be rolled out across the country.No release until Vaccine.People will be begging to vaccinated and those that refuse will be confined under continuing restrictions.Health passport to prove your status.Eventually refuseniks will be placed in camps to protect the rest of the population.

312827 ▶▶▶▶ Jo Dominich, replying to Jonathan Palmer, 4, #704 of 2079 🔗

Don’t be so pessimistic Jonathan please. Tier 4 will not be rolled out across the country because, quite simply put, this Country’s economy is now in such a dire strait and will be destroyed further by a No Deal Brexit plus a forecast of 8m unemployed from the OBR by mid-Summer, should be sobering up any Govt.

312873 ▶▶▶▶▶ Jonathan Palmer, replying to Jo Dominich, 7, #705 of 2079 🔗

Its not pessimistic,it’s realistic.You are under the impression that the government cares about the economy.To build back better first you have to destroy.

313145 ▶▶▶▶▶ Lyra Silvertongue, replying to Jo Dominich, #706 of 2079 🔗

They won’t roll it out in any marginal blue constituencies.

312890 ▶▶▶▶ Ben, replying to Jonathan Palmer, 4, #707 of 2079 🔗

Where is the Left?

Where are the Socialists?

Where are the Unions?

Where are the Human Rights Lawyers?

312822 ▶▶ Jo Dominich, replying to Jonathan Palmer, 1, #708 of 2079 🔗

That’s what he’s called for I very much doubt he will get his wish though.

312728 NickR, replying to NickR, 5, #709 of 2079 🔗

Let’s have a look at the testing & the % of positives tests in 3 London areas and Liverpool. The Liverpool data goes back into Sept. Just look at the ‘mass testing’, what did that achieve?
The London areas really don’t support Hancock’s assertion that they have runaway transmission. It simply isn’t true.

312744 ▶▶ Ben, replying to NickR, 19, #710 of 2079 🔗

No testing = no ‘pandemic’
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312733 Ben, 6, #711 of 2079 🔗

Now That’s What I Call A Corona Christmas

Includes the Christmas classics ‘Sanitiser’s Coming To Town’ and ‘I’m Planning For A Shite Christmas’


312739 moff, 4, #712 of 2079 🔗

Song suggestion: Chris Rea. ” Driving home for Christmas ( and being arrested at a roadblock )”

312742 dommo, 1, #713 of 2079 🔗

an early christmas “treat”(ment):-


312745 RickH, replying to RickH, 25, #714 of 2079 🔗

Perhaps the message needs to be kept simple :

Either –

  • The government is so incompetent that we still have a raging pandemic, despite stumbling and useless attempts to control it.


  • The government is lying through its teeth and just making stuff up about a non-existent crisis in order to dominate the population

Either way – the solution is the same.

312766 ▶▶ Ben, replying to RickH, 13, #715 of 2079 🔗

Most likely the latter since every country is in lockstep. The orchestrated Covid Cabal is issuing orders for every country to impose lockdown, but who the Covid Cabal comprises of and what their motives are remains a mystery. Even Sweden has fallen. WW3 without bombs

Strange to think there are some people in the world who planned it, knew exactly what would happen and are watching their plans progress without a hitch

312800 ▶▶▶ RickH, replying to Ben, 7, #716 of 2079 🔗

Even Sweden has fallen”

Perhaps not quite, Ben – in comparison with the shit-show of compliance here.

But it is really depressing to see what’s happening there, given that there is absolutely nothing on the radar except PCR test results.

I’m probably at my most pessimistic now since this began. I’ve been fairly accurate in my predictions, but last week I did reckon that Mr Toad wouldn’t dare renege on Christmas.

Which shows how one can underestimate the evil and venality – as well as incompetence – underpinning this government and its opposition (now engaged in attacking its Party in order to secure the establishment hegemony).

312802 ▶▶▶ Jo Dominich, replying to Ben, 7, #717 of 2079 🔗

I think it’s the latter but not because anyone is taking Orders per se but are personally power grabbing. In our case, this Government is so incompetent, are such extreme pathological liars and are so ignorant they are completely unable to execute their Plan Sweden hasn’t fallen, they have introduced mild restrictions but nothing coercive. This time though, the Govt really have over-reached their arrogance has led them to making this monumental mistake. Just because people aren’t travelling today should not be put down to the Govt’s announcement yesterday. We need to be positive and not read negatively all the time. It is a veritable shit show now which is attracting furious, angry comments around the Internet and even slightly in some of the MSM. They can’t dig themselves out of this now.

I’m thinking of circulating as widely as I can a XX DATE WILL BE A NATIONAL NON MASK WEARING DAY AND A NON SOCIAL DISTANCING DAY to see how it progresses.

They are on the back foot now because it transpires, which we have known all along, that this Govt are in no state of readiness for Brexit FFS, they have only just advertised for 90,000 Customs Officers. Whereas the EU, whatever you think of them, have been preparing their processes, systems and borders for this for three and a half years.

I feel much more hopeful and positive today than I have in months.

Long live the revolution It will start!

313124 ▶▶▶▶ Tom in Scotland, replying to Jo Dominich, #718 of 2079 🔗

Yes, I agree. This may be the turning point in the UK and in other countries, and as the saying goes, ‘payback is a bitch’. It’s clear that many people will go ahead with Christmas plans anyway and once you start breaking the law, it does appear to get easier to keep breaking it. I was told by a police friend that they don’t have anywhere near the manpower to enforce all these rules and rely on voluntary compliance (perhaps with sheeple bullying others into conmpliance). Once there is mass disobedience, the government loses credibility and then it’s just a matter of time before the PM goes. Many Tories would like to get rid of him now. The end of the Brexit transition period is another factor that will help bring Bozo to his demise; even if there is a last-minute deal, things will still be difficult as you say. I, too, am more optimistic. The hysterical public took us into this shitshow and it will take an angry public to bring us out, and all the government needs to do is get people angry enough, which I think they are finally doing. They can offer the placebo/magic vaccine to the Covidians who want it and just wrap things up in the spring/early summer under a new government.

313138 ▶▶▶▶▶ Lyra Silvertongue, replying to Tom in Scotland, 1, #719 of 2079 🔗

Not only the non-ability of the police to enforce this, but that fact that herd behaviour goes both ways and even a lockdown lover will start to follow the crowd if they see lots of people they don’t consider ‘the enemy’ acting in a particular way.

313639 ▶▶▶▶ Ben, replying to Jo Dominich, #720 of 2079 🔗

There’s no ‘incompetence’ sadly. Unless you believe incompetence can last ten months and be replicated around the world, causing an upflow of wealth to the wealthiest

312895 ▶▶▶ calchas, replying to Ben, 3, #721 of 2079 🔗

We don’t know that they are proceeding without a hitch.

Even if that is the case so far, the more time progresses the greater the chance that something unplanned will happenm that wasn’t expected.

It is inevitable.

312942 ▶▶▶▶ Country Mumkin, replying to calchas, 1, #722 of 2079 🔗

Yes I agree with that. And because they are fakers and not liars as said above, that will, I feel, open more people up to question what’s happening. People’s thinking capacity is underestimated.

It keeps me going that it’s a “plan” and I know that all plans do not got to plan. I’ve never worked in a scenario where a plan has worked to perfection. Far from it!

313024 ▶▶▶▶▶ Cranmer, replying to Country Mumkin, 2, #723 of 2079 🔗

During WW2 the British had an entire psy-ops department dedicated to probing the Germans for tactical weaknesses. One thing they concluded was that Jerry’s achilles heel was that he believed himself invincible and that, once a plan was put together, it was not possible to conceive that it might fail. The Allies, on the other hand, considered failure as a possibility when making plans.

313142 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Lyra Silvertongue, replying to Cranmer, 1, #724 of 2079 🔗

Hence why, coupled with some clever double bluffs, they never realised we’d cracked Enigma.

312771 ▶▶ godowneasy, replying to RickH, 2, #725 of 2079 🔗

It can’t be the first option – it requires a great deal of skill to create this level of chaos and get away with it.

312773 ▶▶ . OKUK, replying to RickH, 4, #726 of 2079 🔗

“Liberty not death.” Might be a good slogan. The government has been offering us a bad bargain: give up your liberty and we will save you from death. They have taken our liberty but have not saved us from death. We see death and destruction all around us: not a single lockdown has stopped the virus’s onward march; but we have the death of the economy, education, sport and culture while deaths from lockdown rise inexorably.

312803 ▶▶ Tyneside Tigress, replying to RickH, 3, #727 of 2079 🔗

I vaccilate on this Rick. After Handsy’s performance on Marr this morning, I lean to the first option. On the Fat Controller, Vallance and Whitty’s performance at the press conference last night, I lean to the second. Agree, ultimately it leads to the same thing.

312830 ▶▶▶ RickH, replying to Tyneside Tigress, #728 of 2079 🔗

I think the first isn’t borne out by anything substantial, Tigress.

I’ve been tracking the ONS weekly data since this began, and Mike Yeadon’s analysis of a ‘gone’ epidemic makes perfect sense.

I take some surprising these days, but the ONS infection survey also did surprise me with the low estimate of prevalence locally (1% PCR+ = ~0.1 to 0.2% estimated actual infection).

So that first option is only there to irritate the compliant who insist that this is a major viral event, but that obedience works. 🙂

312748 theanalyst, replying to theanalyst, 7, #729 of 2079 🔗

The Northern Dictator won’t take any notice of these lateral flow stats coming out of Edinburgh. Just another inconvenience to be ignored.


312794 ▶▶ Dorian_Hawkmoon, replying to theanalyst, 4, #730 of 2079 🔗

Says tests are then checked with PCRs which are “more accurate”. Neither are ‘accurate’, the first for apparent false negatives and the second for false positives but with no gold standard test criterion each is only good or bad compared to whether the other is good or bad. Lovely.

312819 ▶▶▶ Jo Dominich, replying to Dorian_Hawkmoon, 2, #731 of 2079 🔗

Has he read the WHO report issued this weekend?

313101 ▶▶ Tom in Scotland, replying to theanalyst, 1, #732 of 2079 🔗

No, it’s all about independence here and the Wicked Witch of the North (our Dear Leader) will use whatever she can to divide Scotland and England. She must have loved closing the border today to keep out those disease-carrying, dirty vectors of the Rona.

312749 Telpin, replying to Telpin, 36, #733 of 2079 🔗

Just pitched up at Paddington station with my daughter, en route to Wales to see my mum. The station is almost empty- dystopian and eerie. The contrast with a normal Christmas weekend is stark. I simply cannot believe people’s compliance . We can wave all our civil liberties goodbye if this is how little the general public care about them.

312754 ▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Telpin, 6, #734 of 2079 🔗

Tiertwoland here, yesterday the city roads should have been chock a block all day long on the last Saturday before Xmas but they were quiet despite all the shops being open.

312788 ▶▶▶ Jo Dominich, replying to karenovirus, 14, #735 of 2079 🔗

To be honest, I think a lot of people are desperately angry about this and I strongly suspect they can’t be bothered because Christmas most certainly doesn’t feel like Christmas.

312795 ▶▶▶▶ Telpin, replying to Jo Dominich, 10, #736 of 2079 🔗

God I hope so, I’m seriously beginning to wonder if I’m a member of this human race.

312831 ▶▶▶▶▶ TC, replying to Telpin, 6, #737 of 2079 🔗

A stranger in a strange land.
A stranger in my own home.

312858 ▶▶▶▶▶ Mr Dee, replying to Telpin, 6, #738 of 2079 🔗

I don’t think I am.

These humans are crazy (to paraphrase Obelix).

312869 ▶▶▶▶▶ RickH, replying to Telpin, 4, #739 of 2079 🔗

If this is the ‘human race’, do you want to be a member? (pace Groucho)

312910 ▶▶▶▶ Country Mumkin, replying to Jo Dominich, 6, #740 of 2079 🔗

I think they are angry but possibly still have a level of justification to themselves and certainly can’t conceive of the government lowering the veil of democratic pretence.

When the vaccine doesn’t deliver their freedoms back which they believed were right to be curtailed to save lives, then the penny will start to drop.

Then if the government/globalists start the debt reset, people will have breakdowns. And we (us here coming to terms with it all) will have to support them emotionally. Whilst figuring out how to keep our houses and make ends meet. Whilst they are wailing “it’s not right, it’s not fair, we live in a democracy, you’ve stolen our human rights and freedoms…”

We may have the patience to say “been there, got the t-shirt, told you so”, or we may be very busy fighting off the looters or working out how to grow potato.

312846 ▶▶▶ Mr Dee, replying to karenovirus, 6, #741 of 2079 🔗

Just come from Oswestry. Tier Two I think. Teaming with folk. Busy roads. Roads very busy leaving Wales – no traffic into Wales, surprise, surprise..

Oswestry, Shrewsbury and Chester are going to be VERY popular with North Welsh Christmas shoppers this year.

312761 ▶▶ . OKUK, replying to Telpin, 13, #742 of 2079 🔗

People have been shaking their heads for the last 20 years. It will take a while before they start shaking their fists.

312784 ▶▶ Jo Dominich, replying to Telpin, 4, #743 of 2079 🔗

There was quite an exodus from London yesterday though wasn’t there I think?

313039 ▶▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Jo Dominich, 1, #744 of 2079 🔗

There are three young ladies staying in our Jurys Inn having fled London tier 3

313013 ▶▶ Cranmer, replying to Telpin, 1, #745 of 2079 🔗

Heard quite a few people today at my outdoor fitness class talking about breaching the regulations – not to have big normal dinners but to have small groups etc. There is a bit of hope. Things are changing slowly but by the lord, how slow!

312764 George Mc, 3, #746 of 2079 🔗

I couldn’t put it better than this:


Fake noble institutions. Be prepared to hear the world’s most powerful telling us “Capitalism isn’t working. We need an alternative” while the fake left says “I’ve waited all my life for this moment!” The alternative: serfdom under ultra-capitalism dressed in woke left rhetoric.

Here is the new world. Here is the plastic Western liberal scene projected onto the entire planet with an air of that old socialist revolutionary spirit. Note how all the world’s problem’s have been shrunk to “the fight against COVID!”

312768 Les Tricoteuses, replying to Les Tricoteuses, 21, #747 of 2079 🔗

Dear Reality User,
We are temporarily suspending your Democracy Simulation for an important update. Some functions will operate in new and exciting ways after the update.
Thank you for your cooperation,
The Team.

312798 ▶▶ . OKUK, replying to Les Tricoteuses, 9, #748 of 2079 🔗

Lol You catch the sinister connotations of “The Team” beautifully!

The follow up might be:

“Your Democracy Simulation account has been suspended for violation of terms and conditions. Democracy Simulation takes seriously the right of simulants to experience democracy safely and with an appropriate level of consensus. This decision is non-appealable. If you have any queries, please consult the terms and conditions.

Stay safe.

The Team.”

312929 ▶▶▶ Lainey, replying to . OKUK, 2, #749 of 2079 🔗

I think it’s a great comment to add under many FB ads and YT videos!

312775 Freecumbria, 5, #750 of 2079 🔗


Nice chart showing C0VID labelled London hospital bed increase coincides with non-C0VID labelled hospital bed decrease.

312776 Iansn, replying to Iansn, 38, #751 of 2079 🔗

I just watched as much of the Hancock/Marr interview as I could take. Through his lying and twisted clearly empty headed performance, all I could see in my head was me with big bar beating his lying face to bloody pulp. I can never ever recall having feelings like that in my whole life. Beyond rage

312781 ▶▶ Jo Dominich, replying to Iansn, 6, #752 of 2079 🔗

Just as a matter of interest, you’ve got a stronger stomach than me if you can watch it, what did Wancock say? Were the lies obvious, did Marr mount any challenge to him?

312790 ▶▶▶ Jonathan Palmer, replying to Jo Dominich, 5, #753 of 2079 🔗

I just watched him on Sky.No release from Tier 4 until vaccine

312797 ▶▶▶▶ Tiberius, replying to Jonathan Palmer, 5, #754 of 2079 🔗

I bet Beff is chewing her hideous big red lips off missing out on this stuff.

312807 ▶▶▶▶▶ Iansn, replying to Tiberius, 3, #755 of 2079 🔗

she’d have been on the first train out yesterday

312815 ▶▶▶▶ Jo Dominich, replying to Jonathan Palmer, 1, #756 of 2079 🔗

That’s what he says. I doubt that will be the reality though for a number of reasons I won’t set out here. I think that’s wishful thinking.

312852 ▶▶▶▶▶ Jonathan Palmer, replying to Jo Dominich, 1, #757 of 2079 🔗

I would welcome some optimism

313566 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Rowan, replying to Jonathan Palmer, #758 of 2079 🔗

Nothing much to be optimistic about.

312857 ▶▶▶▶ Achilles, replying to Jonathan Palmer, 11, #759 of 2079 🔗

That’s the giveaway isn’t It? Tier 4 is just an artefact to increase vaccine compliance. Nothing more, nothing less.

312864 ▶▶▶▶▶ RickH, replying to Achilles, 2, #760 of 2079 🔗


312883 ▶▶▶▶▶ Country Mumkin, replying to Achilles, 1, #761 of 2079 🔗

I’m going to watch it with a cuppa, I rather enjoy watching the faces and body language of these people. If I don’t have Sky, do I just search online to find it?

312907 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Iansn, replying to Country Mumkin, #762 of 2079 🔗

google it, iI got marr off you tube. google sky hancock it will appear soon marr is on youtube. skynews if a free feed you can install the app on your phone for free

313042 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Country Mumkin, replying to Iansn, #763 of 2079 🔗

Thank you 🙂

312962 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ John P, replying to Country Mumkin, #764 of 2079 🔗


313563 ▶▶▶▶ Rowan, replying to Jonathan Palmer, 1, #765 of 2079 🔗

You can’t beat a bit of blackmail.

312805 ▶▶▶ Iansn, replying to Jo Dominich, 5, #766 of 2079 🔗

very obvious, but Marr challenged him on the basis that he was a Startmer man and Boris had slighted Sir Keir mightily in the house then did what he said he wouldnt ie cancel Christmas. All this having only become aware of the corona super strain that is 70% more infectious (with no metrics at all ) last Friday and then on this Thursday they were informed it was out of control and had to act. Marr grilled him strongly on this as they said its been around since September. I had to s
top watching or my laptop screen would not be in one piece and I could no longer do what I need to for work etc.

313236 ▶▶▶▶ Country Mumkin, replying to Iansn, 2, #767 of 2079 🔗

I watched the playback of Hancock with Marr and also Ridge. Very interesting. He’s an extremely defensive character. He was more perturbed by Marr’s questioning and I saw his intolerance and aggression leak on a few occasions.

I’m sure Tier 4 is for vaccine take up. There will be collective responsibility to take it up I would think. Maybe pressure from friends. I hated the bit about expecting us to behave like we all have the virus. “It’s not just the rules, its how you behave within those rules. Behave like you have the virus” [something like that]. He is actively trying to damage the nation’s mental health.

I thought he looked really angry at Marr accusing him of allowing people 5 hours to escape London. But that is of course, going to be held against everyone for spreading the ‘new strain’ around the country I would think.

He told Ridge there was no evidence that the new strain was less deadly. Which made it sound like it was more deadly.

He looked pleased when he said he was dashing peoples hopes (it was subtle, but I noticed a change in his face and eyes).

He was annoyed at Marr who queried why he gave 3 weeks; the Christmas holidays; for staff to work out testing regime. He somewhat repressed a sigh and eye-rolling, but it was there. He told him ‘it was not impossible’. He was expecting them to do work over christmas “there’s three weeks between now and going back”.

He seemed uplifted and smiled when he was asked if Astra Zeneca would be rolled out by year end. It took him a while to underline it was the MHRA who would do independently. He was stronger on that with Ridge.

He said to Ridge that there would need to be more measures put in place to be effective compared with the old variant (didn’t say what that was, inferred Tier 4).

Ridge had a question about speed of vaccines and he looked visibly perturbed. I think he thought she’d question how quickly they had been developed, but she talked about speed of roll out (it being positive) and he relaxed and enjoyed the answers to that.

His reactions are subtle, but if you compare how his face and body language (albeit stiff as a board most of the time) within the narrow range of emotional expression, there is change to be noticed.

312789 ▶▶ annie, replying to Iansn, 14, #768 of 2079 🔗

I’d watch.
I’d cheer.
I’d join in.
I didn’t use to be violent.

312777 Smelly Melly, replying to Smelly Melly, 1, #769 of 2079 🔗

Just seen a couple walking down the street. She was on the pavement he was in the road. (But unmuzzled).

312849 ▶▶ anon, replying to Smelly Melly, 3, #770 of 2079 🔗

true coromance

I wonder if they follow the guidance of the Canadian health body that advised lovers to use glory holes

312970 ▶▶▶ Cranmer, replying to anon, #771 of 2079 🔗

To be truly safe, any attempts at conception should be done with a turkey baster. They won’t be needed for Christmas dinner this year anyway.

312783 TyRade, 7, #772 of 2079 🔗

Tier 4, lockdown-lite, mask-or-die, NHS at risk…it’s as if the Fearful bile, that corpusculent, puss-filled emanation of venom the Remainers spewed over normal folk these last 4+ years, has found a new outlet.

312791 Tiberius, replying to Tiberius, 19, #773 of 2079 🔗

A friend of a family member works in a testing lab. This story can only be anecdotal but if supported by other similar stories it should require investigation.

Testing kits which haven’t yet been used show positive. This adds to the stories of positive tests from non-human samples.

As the end of the working week approaches and there are still a lot of samples to be tested, the instruction is to send out the news that the unchecked samples are positive. Who wants to stay late at the lab when a substantial meal awaits?

312876 ▶▶ Country Mumkin, replying to Tiberius, 2, #774 of 2079 🔗

I’m sure we should try to start our own lab or get some insiders to share information. Where are these labs? Are they in secret locations?

312886 ▶▶ calchas, replying to Tiberius, 3, #775 of 2079 🔗

Similar reports heve been around for months.

314272 ▶▶ stefarm, replying to Tiberius, #776 of 2079 🔗

A contract has been awarded by UKG to provide 24/7 catering to the lighthouse testing labs. No need to go home now.

312796 NorthumbrianNomad, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, 9, #777 of 2079 🔗

The quicker this invisible asymptomatic illness caused by the new strain spreads round the country and hospitalisations don’t soar, the quicker their balloon of hysteria will deflate.

312835 ▶▶ Felice, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, 2, #778 of 2079 🔗

If only…..

312860 ▶▶ RickH, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, 3, #779 of 2079 🔗

Aw c’mon – the one thing we’ve learned in all this is the constant re-inflating of the panic balloon with any old guff.

312946 ▶▶ Cranmer, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, 3, #780 of 2079 🔗

Doesn’t matter any more. Most people haven’t the slightest interest in nor understanding of facts or evidence, there’s just ‘the pandemic’ and that’s it. They will only stop believing if the government tells them to, and that’s not going to happen. The only way this will stop now I believe is when the economy/financial system collapses.

312799 common conservative, replying to common conservative, 21, #781 of 2079 🔗

Does anyone else have the impression that this ‘new strain’ narrative is awfully convenient when wanting to avoid the inevitable question of why Covid still insists on taking its course in spite of the draconian restrictions ‘intended to fight the virus’?

‘We were winning, I tell you. We were on course to beating this thing. But then this new strain turned up!’

312960 ▶▶ John P, replying to common conservative, 4, #782 of 2079 🔗

it’s blatant fearmongering

313400 ▶▶ FlynnQuill, replying to common conservative, 1, #783 of 2079 🔗

Well, you have to invent a new bogy man to keep the sheeple scared. They’ll drink it down wholesale, without murmur. I really think the only thing to wake sheeple up is to start culling their pets. They would be out on the streets, they couldn’t give a shite about their fellow suffering Human Biengs but they’d foam at the mouth if thier pets were targeted. I wouldn’t put it past the government for one second.

312809 Basics, replying to Basics, 8, #784 of 2079 🔗


Brazil’s president talks vaccine with absolute sense and clarity. One to applaud. 30sec video clip.

312990 ▶▶ Mabel Cow, replying to Basics, 2, #785 of 2079 🔗

That poor sod won’t be long for this world.

312810 NickR, replying to NickR, 15, #786 of 2079 🔗

London Testing Up 50% in the last 3 weeks!!!!
The number of tests in London has increased by 50% ( https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/details/testing?areaType=region&areaName=London ) in the last 3 weeks. Could this, by any chance, be related to an increase in positives?

312834 ▶▶ Jonathan Palmer, replying to NickR, 4, #787 of 2079 🔗

Blow me down with a feather duster

312943 ▶▶ Mayo, replying to NickR, #788 of 2079 🔗

Interesting – but you need to be careful how you interpret these figures . For example, an increase in the number of tests may indicate an increase in the number of people presenting at hospital with symptoms. We then get the circular argument that all infections are hospital acquired.

The positivity rate might be useful.

312951 ▶▶▶ NickR, replying to Mayo, 4, #789 of 2079 🔗

That would be true if hospital admissions were significantly increasing but they don’t appear to be. I think it’s more likely that the increase in testing is at the expense of quality & it’s mainly a casedemic.

313073 ▶▶▶ . OKUK, replying to Mayo, 4, #790 of 2079 🔗

Sorry mate,,you need to be careful. Yep, the 85 yr old is admitted to hospital with breathing difficulties. They are tested for Covid but not for flu. Why? Very old people who die of respiratory disease are found to have an average of 14 different pathogens. Their immunity is crumbling, their lungs are functioning poorly and now thanks to compulsory masking they are losing even more oxygen. They are prey to all pathogens in the environment.

313276 ▶▶▶ DeepBlueYonder, replying to Mayo, #791 of 2079 🔗

Then just focus on Pillar 2 tests?

312814 l835, replying to l835, 7, #792 of 2079 🔗

Trying my best to do as Matty says and act like I’ve got COVID. Have a sore throat from continually coughing, heating is on full so I’m sweating like mad, and think I’ve had some milk which was off as I’m trying not to smell anything. Can’t see the point of this latest government advice…!

312837 ▶▶ Cranmer, replying to l835, 6, #793 of 2079 🔗

IMO the point is to remove any need for facts or evidence to justify lockdowns. In fact I think they will gradually move away from Covid as a reason if/when social breakdown begins – it will change from Covid lockdowns to ‘covid and related security lockdowns’ then just ‘lockdowns’ and people will eventually forget what they were for in the first place. It’s just ‘the rules’.

313536 ▶▶▶ Edward, replying to Cranmer, #794 of 2079 🔗

Yes, it’s a paradigm shift if that’s the right expression. Everyone is a potential disease carrier (any disease) so restrictions must stay in place for ever.

312816 1stJamie, replying to 1stJamie, 3, #795 of 2079 🔗

Which of these political and economic systems would you prefer?
Socialism: You own 2 cows. The Socialist government take one off you and gives it to your neighbour.
Communism: You own 2 cows. The Communist government take them both off you and tell you how much milk you can have.
Fascism: You own 2 cows.  The Fascist government tell you how much milk you can sell. Who you can sell your milk to. How much you can charge for your milk. When you can put manure on your fields. How much manure you can put on your fields. Ear tag your cows. Identification papers for your cows…………
Capitalism: You own 2 cows. You sell one and buy a bull.
Globalism: You own a herd of cows and a bull. The Socialists, Communists and Fascists don’t like your success. They collectively devise a cunning plan that your cows are infected. Forcing you to vaccinate your herd on the premise it is to protect your neighbours cow. (Which they stole from you) When you’ve finished paying for the vaccine and the vet’s bill they then come and slaughter your herd because they are killing the planet. Forcing everyone to become vegan.
I’m trying to work out what regime we are under at the moment.

313422 ▶▶ FlynnQuill, replying to 1stJamie, -1, #796 of 2079 🔗

Facisum, Communism and Socialism are all the same. The same sides of thee same coin. They all hate people being successful, unless of course it is them that are the successful ones. The heads of all the above ideologies lived in opulence and splender, while the people lived in squalor and shite.

We learn absolutely nothing from History!

312820 Llamasaurus Rex, 2, #797 of 2079 🔗

And, just now, whether her drink really is decaffeinated … Madam, your country is destroyed, your effing coffee should the least of your concerns.

Lost for words. I have contempt for these fools.

312821 Ceci, replying to Ceci, 18, #798 of 2079 🔗

Friends of ours are totally lockdown compliant and believe all the propaganda

Usual blank look when I explain

They’ve only been out of the house a couple of times since March

Their daughter and son in law are London doctors

Saw the friends about a week ago when I dropped off a Christmas card (not allowed in the house because of the rona)

They were so looking forward to the doctors and their new grandchild coming to stay with them for Christmas

Won’t be happening now

Pissed myself laughing when I heard

312839 ▶▶ . OKUK, replying to Ceci, 7, #799 of 2079 🔗

Well Christmas is a time to be merry, so why not have a laugh.

312825 Hieronimusb, 11, #800 of 2079 🔗

The only ‘new strain’ is the Government’s puce-faced effort to void its constipated bowels over the entire British population.

312826 Magoo, replying to Magoo, -1, #801 of 2079 🔗

Today Professor Brookes says the new variant is most likely just an “asymptomatic variant” because that is what nature would throw up. However his evidence does not support this and I wonder if he is subconsciously interpreting the facts to support his expectation.

Taking the results from Havering, Professor Brookes thinks the rise in cases is down to increased testing. Echos of Trumpian thinking aside, his proof is that the positivity rate has fallen. The graph of Havering results proves the opposite however. The positivity rate is a fraction off its peak whist testing has skyrocketed. The positivity rate is the same as a week ago yet testing has increased 50%.

He also suggests that the recent sharp rise in Covid related patients admission is also an artefact of increased testing. But people do not go to hospital because they have tested positive for Covid, they go to hospital because they are ill.

His other remaining comment, that the pattern of spread is not consistent with a variant with transmission advantage, has some validity but is overwhelmed by the observation that the proportion of Covid cases with the new variant has risen significantly.

313019 ▶▶ ajb97b, replying to Magoo, 1, #802 of 2079 🔗

Magoo – I think you may be mixing up Case Rate (simply the count of positive tests) and the Positivity Rate (the percentage of test that are positive. The former will go up by 50% if you do 50% more testing, the latter will not change if you do 50% more testing. The Havering example shows testing has gone up, and hence the misleading Case Rate has gone up – but the Positivity Rate has fallen, accurately reflecting a genuine decrease in the proportion of all people (who get tested) that carry viral RNA.
The New Admissions data is likewise simply count of people that are admitted that are known to be positive. The 50% increase in testing will mean 50% more people going into hospital know they are positive. The illness they are being admitted for has nothing to do with the New Admissions number

313133 ▶▶▶ Mayo, replying to ajb97b, #803 of 2079 🔗

but the Positivity Rate has fallen, accurately reflecting a genuine decrease in the proportion of all people (who get tested) that carry viral RNA.

It hasn’t fallen. That’s the point magoo was making.

313902 ▶▶▶▶ ajb97b, replying to Mayo, #804 of 2079 🔗

It did – over the last week or so, whilst the amount of testing (and hence the “Case Rate”) increased dramatically

313713 ▶▶▶ Magoo, replying to ajb97b, #805 of 2079 🔗

I still think I am correct on the Positivity Rate, but maybe I have been mistaken on the entry to hospital figures.

The graph with the article is titled:

New Covid related daily hospital admission in London, the East of England and the South East are rising quickly.

It shows a sharp rise and I assumed this was people going into hospital BECAUSE they had Covid. This would reflect actual infection cases because people do not go into hospital just because they have tested positive due to more testing.

However, are you telling me that this graph is showing people going into hospital who just happen to have covid, which would increase due to more testing. So a maternity or hip operation would count in these figures if they had Covid but were not being hospitalised for it.

313725 ▶▶▶ Magoo, replying to ajb97b, 1, #806 of 2079 🔗

ajb97b – I should have looked the data source first. You are correct. Definition of hospital entrance with Covid is

England data include people admitted to hospital who tested positive for COVID-19 in the 14 days prior to admission, and those who tested positive in hospital after admission. Inpatients diagnosed with COVID-19 after admission are reported as being admitted on the day prior to their diagnosis. Admissions to all NHS acute hospitals and mental health and learning disability trusts, as well as independent service providers commissioned by the NHS are included. Data are reported daily by trusts to NHS England and NHS Improvement.

I will need to rethink this, but too late tonight.

313211 ▶▶ Ben, replying to Magoo, 2, #807 of 2079 🔗

Throughout human history there have been cases of cold and flu

The question is – ‘do we place human rights first?’

312828 Cranmer, replying to Cranmer, 25, #808 of 2079 🔗

Just had an abusive message on Facebook from someone I once considered a friend, in response to a mildly sceptical cartoon I posted. I was going to respond with stats, logic and reason but I took a deep breath and switched off. There is no point in trying to reason with somebody who will write things like that. I don’t mind sensible counter arguments but flippancy and rudeness just shows he has no argument.

312872 ▶▶ Paul, replying to Cranmer, 9, #809 of 2079 🔗

I’ve completely given up with Facebook,the hysterical on there are too far gone to even listen to a piece of logic let alone think about it.

312999 ▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Cranmer, 6, #810 of 2079 🔗

The problem those people have is that it will take a great deal for them to admit that they have been hoodwinked and the more it goes on the worse it will get.
Confine your efforts to the unsure or wavering. It’s an old but successful sales technique.

312832 Basics, 4, #811 of 2079 🔗

David Kurten interview (8mins) talking about what he has witnessed on the streets of London in recent days.


Police brutality and disregard for life – hitting the red zone.

312833 Jez Hewitt, replying to Jez Hewitt, 7, #812 of 2079 🔗

Fellow non woolly humans,

For those of you fortunate enough to be meeting with friends and family; or unfortunate, depending on their previous form – before you can no longer avoid the stark white enormous elephant sat next to the turkey and light the festive family fireworks thus inviting ridicule as a “conspiracy theorist”, be sure to tell them one thing:

Unlike the flat-earthers and lizzard loungers, you’re one of the now many recent converts to “conspiratorial theory” to which the best thing that could happen in 2021 (along with the rest of humanity), is that they are able to laugh their tits off at you at every Christmas that follows. Just not this one, the jury’s still out – and no one will be laughing if you’re right, not even you.

312877 ▶▶ TheOriginalBlackPudding, replying to Jez Hewitt, 3, #813 of 2079 🔗

I like that term “non woolly humans”. Completely off topic, it reminded me of the old Liverpool name ‘woolly back’ for the people of St Helens, Wigan and surrounding area.
I believe it was a derogatory term used in the docks, but perhaps had its origins in the fact that coalmen coming in with deliveries from the Lancashire coalfield wore a fleece to protect their backs.

312836 NappyFace, replying to NappyFace, 18, #814 of 2079 🔗

The majority are behind the restrictions, I’m sorry to say.

I’ve pointed out to my friends that this is now for ever, and they think I’ve become a right-wing loon.

Soon we will all be dragged out of our homes and locked up for daring to question the logic of destroying our society for a virus in the same league as the flu.

Not feeling good about things today.

312844 ▶▶ RickH, replying to NappyFace, 17, #815 of 2079 🔗

You’re not on your own!

312856 ▶▶ Cranmer, replying to NappyFace, 10, #816 of 2079 🔗

Yes, most seem in favour, either enthusiastically or reluctantly in a ‘what can you do?’ type way. However, at my fitness class today there was quite a lot of talk about meeting relatives at Christmas in situations which are clearly not ‘allowed’, so people are at least not being 100% fervently compliant. There does seem to be a bit of disappointment and I can see that building throughout 2021 as the restrictions continue (which they undoubtedly will).

312947 ▶▶▶ John P, replying to Cranmer, 1, #817 of 2079 🔗

seeming is believing?

313227 ▶▶▶▶ Cranmer, replying to John P, 1, #818 of 2079 🔗

It’s hard to tell really. There doesn’t seem to be the slightest bit of anger about any of it, just resignation, which is the most worrying thing.

312885 ▶▶ TheOriginalBlackPudding, replying to NappyFace, 4, #819 of 2079 🔗

But you are not alone
We are here with you
Though we’re far apart
You’re always in our heart
But you are not alone

With semi-apologies to Michael Jackson (definitely not my kind of thing 🙂 )

312897 ▶▶ Censored Dog, replying to NappyFace, 4, #820 of 2079 🔗

How do you know that? Polls mean nothing.

312912 ▶▶▶ calchas, replying to Censored Dog, 5, #821 of 2079 🔗

I agree.

Polls are meant to influence opinion, not reflect it.

There are of course private polls commissioned by those in power, because of course the want to see what people are really thinking, without all of us knowing.

312920 ▶▶ karenovirus, replying to NappyFace, 5, #822 of 2079 🔗

I speak to plenty of people daily, roughly half are sceptical to a degree yet still most comply out of fear either of shaming or what they think is the law.

If the two maskless ladies on their way to look after their horses this morning are reading this :
HI ✋ welcome to Lockdownsceptics ❗

Don’t bother trying to persuade zealots, you are wasting your time. Identify the inner Sceptics and waverers who need to know that they are not alone. We are many.
We are numerous.

312930 ▶▶ John P, replying to NappyFace, 3, #823 of 2079 🔗

“The majority are behind the restrictions, I’m sorry to say.”

You’ve asked them all have you?

312987 ▶▶ Voz 0db, replying to NappyFace, 1, #824 of 2079 🔗

The majority is a herd of modern moron slaves … no wonder they act like that!

313063 ▶▶ annie, replying to NappyFace, #825 of 2079 🔗

Maybe, the more the tiny sane corner of their brain demands to be heard, the more they have to dig in?

313118 ▶▶ Lyra Silvertongue, replying to NappyFace, 3, #826 of 2079 🔗

I’m not sure. I feel like people know what to say in public to avoid trouble and know who they can speak and act freely with. The more intelligent have learned how to probe opinions during a conversation without appearing to take a side.

312840 caravaggio57, replying to caravaggio57, 18, #827 of 2079 🔗

Seen in Manchester

312901 ▶▶ karenovirus, replying to caravaggio57, 6, #828 of 2079 🔗

One Human Right is the Right to receive information, ie the news.
My elderly neighbours telly went kaput on Wednesday, he asked me to go to PC World to get him another on his credit card.

Knowing this would mean ‘click & collect’, queues, ‘it ain’t here yet’ and being treated like the plague I did my homework on their website and ordered it from my local computer peripherals shop.
The exact model my neighbour wanted arrived the following day and £20.00 less than the cheapest on offer at PC World.

Under T4 the housebound poor old sod would have been without TV* for Xmas and who knows when into the New Year.

* I know Tv is all rubbish but he’s sceptic so I don’t mind putting myself out a bit.

312915 ▶▶▶ Lainey, replying to karenovirus, -8, #829 of 2079 🔗

You are a traitor for aiding and abetting this nonsense. If an old codger wants to feed their TV addiction let them go through the rigmarole themselves.

314184 ▶▶▶▶ Monty Bodkin, replying to Lainey, #830 of 2079 🔗

Steady on. No need for that sort of thing here, of all places.

312934 ▶▶▶ John P, replying to karenovirus, 4, #831 of 2079 🔗

Very kind of you.

313202 ▶▶▶ Ben, replying to karenovirus, 1, #832 of 2079 🔗

Except the MSM is actively working to destroy our human rights

312843 TheBluePill, replying to TheBluePill, 9, #833 of 2079 🔗

Does anyone know what they have coined tier 4 as? Have they gone for:

– Very, very high
– Ridiculously high
– Ludicrously high

Or are they reserving the latter for tiers 5 and 6?

312935 ▶▶ TheBluePill, replying to TheBluePill, 5, #834 of 2079 🔗

Thought I’d help the government out with their branding a little:

312845 TheBigman, replying to TheBigman, 7, #835 of 2079 🔗

Haha hahaha Kier Starmer (paedo protector). Is apparently furious at the PM for changing the plans. When earlier in the week he was against the Christmas break. Do we really have such a short attention span?

To anyone who backs this nonsense they need to be called out as the Stasi they are.

Governments aren’t tyrannical, the complinent are.

313435 ▶▶ FlynnQuill, replying to TheBigman, #836 of 2079 🔗

He does have form on this unfortunately. A complete and utter chancer with the moral compass of a serial killer. God we are fucked!

312848 PCNoMore, 4, #837 of 2079 🔗

Andrew Lawrence nails it yet again..


312854 Ben, replying to Ben, #838 of 2079 🔗

I’d have more respect for him if he’d spoken at anti-lockdown protests. He wants to distance himself from them for some reason

313111 ▶▶ Biker, replying to Ben, #839 of 2079 🔗

who wants to stand next to david Icke?

312855 Bartleby, replying to Bartleby, 14, #840 of 2079 🔗

The sceptical and cynical are surely thinking the same as me:

Ever since the possibility of restrictions being slightly relaxed at Christmas were mooted and then announced like some form of gift, there has been an increasing level of fightback from the health technocracy against any such freedom. This fightback has included statements that we will need 5 days of lockdown for every one day of looser restrictions to various public health experts and politicians calling for the cancellation of any changes for the Christmas period.

The ‘new strain’ seems awfully convenient in other words in finally justifying why the Christmas policies should be scrapped.

Other things which seem very convenient:
The relative lack of an uptick in covid in London and the southeast which some were saying supported the concept of herd immunity in previously impacted areas is now negated by a narrative and data supposedly showing these places as the worst affected areas.

The many accusations of bias against northern and regional areas in response to tier restrictions where London somehow got off lightly is now negated by a narrative that has London and the South East with the most draconian restrictions.

Given how political and emotive the health technocracy have become, we should probably adopt some of their techniques. I’ll be asking questions about whether the vaccine roll-out in the past few weeks has caused this ‘terrifying new mutation’? in order to plant seeds of confusion and doubt. If enough of us do the same, the narrative will be forced to address the concerns and they might lose a little control of the messaging. Kudos to anyone who can find subtle but explicit ways of destabilising the current messaging through conflating mutations with the vaccine through innocent questions.

For clarity’s sake, here is what I think would happen if all of us were to start asking and posting about such a conflation:

Many would be concerned that this line of questioning would impact the volume of people prepared to receive the vaccine, so they would be forced to address the concerns.

In doing so, they will also be forced to explain why the two shouldn’t be conflated and there are 3 likely answers they will use to reassure:

1) A ‘science’ explanation that hardly anyone will understand and which can be rebutted by pointing at the timing.

2) A timing-based answer which will have to acknowledge that the mutation was around much longer than the last few days and exposes the lie that the policies needed to change as the evidence/virus did.

3) A well-meaning but essentially non-answer intended to provide comfort that mutations don’t typically affect clinical outcomes and happen all the time.

Being a lockdown sceptic now is very much like being part of a resistance movement but with less organisation and coherence in our intent and strategy. Many of us are wondering what else we can do individually beyond speaking up and trying to influence others, or protesting in the streets. I think we need more thought and planning in our resistance in order to become more effective.

313491 ▶▶ Monty Bodkin, replying to Bartleby, #841 of 2079 🔗

Good post. Good thoughts.
We need a Party and we need a unifying metaphorical ‘flag’ to fly. We also need a spokesman or representative with plenty of charisma but also with that essential, innate authority which commands respect.
Scientists like Mike Yeadon and legal eagles like Lord Sumption are terrific in their specialisms and highly eloquent defenders of sense and reason but they are not widely recognised outside of their fields (except by those of us who find them via LS, on YouTube or Talk Radio). We need our own campaigning general who knows how to work the PR machine. Farage is not the man for this fight and Fox has not managed to make more than his initial splash. Tice could do it but probably wouldn’t risk his reputation on something for which there is currently only minority support. Maybe, if more and more previously compliant people are driven to anger and despair by the Govt.’s increasingly despotic behaviour, the sceptics’ general may emerge. Soon would be good.

312863 chaos, 10, #842 of 2079 🔗

Assume you are infected with the virus that causes no symptoms. Brilliant.

312865 common conservative, 9, #843 of 2079 🔗

Butch Beth and Surly Burley must be sitting back, smoking their Old Holborn and laughing not only at us but at the fact they still have a job.

312871 Richym99, replying to Richym99, 15, #844 of 2079 🔗

After reading all the comments from the subjugated fools in the press who think they are all doomed if they don’t do as they are told, I have come to the conclusion there is no point working for a living.

Instead, I shall go from door to door, pursuading people that in return for handing over their wealth on a monthly basis, I shall guarantee to keep them safe from any harm. All they need to do is, in addition to handing over all their wealth, remain in their homes, alone and miserable and let me provide everything for them.

Some might call this a protection racket, but it’s worked for the government so far.

(Of course, two months after I have all their wealth, I shall say see you suckers and retire to a non extradition country like Spain).

312880 ▶▶ Ceci, replying to Richym99, 3, #845 of 2079 🔗

Do you need any muscle?

I’m available

312884 ▶▶▶ AnotherSceptic, replying to Ceci, 1, #846 of 2079 🔗

I’m also available as Cecil B’s backup 🤙🏻

312887 ▶▶▶▶ Richym99, replying to AnotherSceptic, 3, #847 of 2079 🔗

All those with baseball bats to knock some sense into people are welcome. Although not too many, the police may think it’s a protest march.

312878 stefarm, replying to stefarm, 7, #848 of 2079 🔗

It’s all been planned folks, Xmas was always going to be cancelled, they just had to facilitate a way of justifying it.

Problem, reaction and solution


313199 ▶▶ Ben, replying to stefarm, #849 of 2079 🔗

That’s why mutant virus came on the scene

313451 ▶▶ FlynnQuill, replying to stefarm, #850 of 2079 🔗

If anyone were still in any doubt. I think we can safely say beyond any reasonable doubt that anything that comes from Government, local or otherwise is a complete pack of lies.

312891 Richym99, #851 of 2079 🔗

By the way, anyone feel like a bit of cheap Law Breaking this Christmas,

The Welsh are having a sale. We offer first time PCNs at the remarkable sale price of £60 (and half price for early supplication). So all you English folk, come and get you bargain PCNs and save up to £170 on the normal price of £200.

Come arrange to meet your granny in Wales, and save yourself with a new family ticket.

312893 richard riewer, replying to richard riewer, #852 of 2079 🔗

Cabal – A Global Coup From: Windows on the World
8 2 2 months ago
Stealing the soul through consent min 47:50.

312982 ▶▶ Voz 0db, replying to richard riewer, 1, #853 of 2079 🔗
312896 godowneasy, replying to godowneasy, 2, #854 of 2079 🔗

Corona Christmas Song List – additions welcome

(The) Last Christmas – Wham!
It’s beginning to not look like Christmas – Michael Buble
Please stay home for Christmas – Bon Jovi
Miserable holiday – Peggy Lee
Christmas Scrapping – Spice Girls
Step out of Christmas – Elton John
I wish it could be Christmas one day – Wizzard
The one day of Christmas – John Denver and the Muppets
Underneath the tier – Kelly Clarkson
Wonderful vaccinetime – Paul McCartney
Miserable Christmas – Elvis Presley
Happy Christmas (war is underway) – John Lennon

312911 ▶▶ richard riewer, replying to godowneasy, 3, #855 of 2079 🔗

Actually, Blue Christmas would have been an apt title.

314111 ▶▶ Monty Bodkin, replying to godowneasy, #856 of 2079 🔗

“Father Christmas, Do Not Touch Me-” The Goodies

312898 EllGee, replying to EllGee, 5, #857 of 2079 🔗

Could this mean that the 1922 Committee might have the numbers?

312913 ▶▶ John P, replying to EllGee, 5, #858 of 2079 🔗

Perhaps, but – apart from Walker – have they the will?

312916 ▶▶ Now More Than Ever, replying to EllGee, 2, #859 of 2079 🔗

But to replace with whom?

312968 ▶▶▶ John P, replying to Now More Than Ever, 1, #860 of 2079 🔗

Sir Charles Walker !

312998 ▶▶▶▶ Now More Than Ever, replying to John P, 1, #861 of 2079 🔗

I would love it – but there is more chance of Hancock suddenly announcing that he’s decided it’s all ok after all, and hugging granny is to be encouraged.

312902 Gerard Hurst, replying to Gerard Hurst, 3, #862 of 2079 🔗

It seems like the populations of Europe are being scared and conditioned into being on a permanent war-footing by repeated dramatic doom-laden announcements, with all the attendant erosion of freedoms and democracy that entails. At the same time, it looks like there’s little substance to the scare stories beyond the fact that hospitals are near capacity. It is very disquieting – where will it all end?

313139 ▶▶ Cranmer, replying to Gerard Hurst, 2, #863 of 2079 🔗

Follow the money. By April 2021 taxpayers will have been propping up the British economy for over a year; undoubtedly Sunak will extend that beyond April. He can only do this by more borrowing and more money printing; we are already in the worse recession since 1709. Eventually this will lead to a sterling crisis/debt crisis. This may of course be part of the plan – the Great Reset – but that may not go as smoothly as they think.

313460 ▶▶ FlynnQuill, replying to Gerard Hurst, 1, #864 of 2079 🔗

My window cleaner said to me today that it is WWIII on us without bombs. Wise man.

312903 Tyneside Tigress, replying to Tyneside Tigress, 5, #865 of 2079 🔗

Some thoughts on the vaccine, while leaving aside the bull of the ‘mutant strain’ that is dominating today’s MSM.

Handsy said on Marr that he had ‘mis-spoken a couple of weeks ago about number of doses of vaccine delivered into arms (millions) by the end of the year. What he really meant to say is that millions would be delivered to vaccination centres. For any with experience of international trade, this is the classic ‘shipments’ versus ‘depletions’ fallacy.

There have apparently been 350k doses of the Pfizer vaccine administered, and will be above 500k by the end of the weekend. We know that Pfizer only shipped 800k doses in the initial batch, so enough for 400k people, assuming you have to guarantee the double dose if there is a glitch in additional vaccine arriving from Belgium (some reports suggest an additional consignment will not arrive until March).

There would now appear to be a significant number of adverse reactions to the Pfizer vaccine in the US. Swedenborg linked some CDC/FDA evidence earlier. It was already pointed out to the US authorities from the doctors’ group (equivalent of our BMA) that not only were side effects likely to lead to days off work for vaccinated staff, but that might deter people returning for the second dose three weeks later, and in any event, the reaction after the second dose is likely to be even worse. Since day 2 here, we have only heard about two UK healthcare workers with adverse reactions, both of whom had allergies (although one was to egg-based products, and there are none in the Pfizer vaccine). How many other adverse reactions are being suppressed here, bearing in mind the incidence in the US?

Is the ‘mutant strain’ cover for two things? Firstly, too many adverse reactions to the Pfizer vaccine, meaning they will give all of the 800k doses as first doses to as many elderly patients as possible (no suggestion there have been adverse reactions in anyone except younger, fit and healthy healthcare workers). Secondly, and relatedly, this puts maximum pressure on the MRHA to authorise the Oxford vaccine immediately – those 800k people will have only had one dose so more limited ‘protection’, and given the Oxford group had been discussing experiments of a joint vaccination regimen with Sputnik V to increase efficacy, here is a ready-made sample to get going on?

Any thoughts?

312909 ▶▶ John P, replying to Tyneside Tigress, 7, #866 of 2079 🔗

“given the Oxford group had been discussing experiments of a joint vaccination regimen with Sputnik V to increase efficacy”

If vaccines are mixed then you will not know who to blame if there is an adverse reaction.

312933 ▶▶▶ Tyneside Tigress, replying to John P, 4, #867 of 2079 🔗

Agree, very dangerous. But bearing in mind all the other experimentation going on at the minute, nothing would surprise me!

313078 ▶▶▶ Bella Donna, replying to John P, #868 of 2079 🔗

There are enough reasons not to have the vaccine without pix and mixing them! No way and doubly so!

313207 ▶▶▶▶ FenTyger, replying to Bella Donna, #869 of 2079 🔗

The return of Woolworths

312926 ▶▶ RickH, replying to Tyneside Tigress, 9, #870 of 2079 🔗

As a general point – I think that the big money behind vaccines is a major driver of all this.

Remember – this sort of coup has been attempted before, but misfired, even tho’ a lot of money did go into vaccine production.

312939 ▶▶▶ Tyneside Tigress, replying to RickH, 5, #871 of 2079 🔗

Yes, agree. They will stop at nothing to get that out even if it kills more people than it apparently ‘saves’.

313081 ▶▶▶ Bella Donna, replying to RickH, #872 of 2079 🔗

We haven’t started or joined in any wars for such a long time and those who benefited financially are now having to look at other avenues. Covid is one such avenue.

313283 ▶▶ Iansn, replying to Tyneside Tigress, 2, #873 of 2079 🔗

Golden Rule Number 1 about Politicians
If the lips are moving, they are lying.
Hancock was just saying prepared stuff as answers to questions he wasnt asked. His body language and words and gestures all showed he was lying uncomfortably from start to finish. See my earlier comments as to what I was thinking as he spoke.
Golden Rule Number 2 by politicians

If you get caught out, make something up, the more ridiculous the better ie a twist on rule 1.
Every single thing this government, SAGE and the NHS have done since the start of this has turned to rat shit, cost a billion times more that it should, and usually been total failures. NHS app? track and trace – where’s Dildo, initial reaction throwing the elderly out of hospitals, etc etc. Off the scale failures, yet the same team are in post no sackings, PHE reconstituted under a different badge but the same wankers running it.
Not one of the team have successfully run anything outside of government. The professors of SAGE kept in the dark like mushrooms for years then wheeled out as if they know everything about anything. Same unchanged team from day one.Some one has a lot of dirt on all of them outside of this crisis.

They have just slowly worked through industries,

leisure and entertainment – check – fucked
pubs and restaurants – check – fucked
airlines and over seas travel- check – fucked
arts – check – fucked
non – essential businesses ie craft small specialist shops, antiques etc – check – fucked
private education – check – nearly fucked

everything you spend your spare cash and savings on – gone

TV now only does government approved stuff
Newspapers ditto

Big business – booming future jobs for the boys, directorships, back handers easy jobs for family and friends whilst the serfs struggle on handouts

They are turning this country into a socialists paradise the new and first Soviet Socialist Kingdom as the royals are in on it too, notably Charles

314097 ▶▶▶ Jo Dominich, replying to Iansn, #874 of 2079 🔗

A Fascist paradise I think you mean. They already have their scapegoats lined up.

314090 ▶▶ Jo Dominich, replying to Tyneside Tigress, #875 of 2079 🔗

Just remember the Oxford vaccine as it is now called is actually the Oxford/AstraZeneca vaccine which the FDA suspended trials of because of severe side effects such as long term neurological conditions and death. They’ve just taken the Astra Zeneca bit out.

312904 . OKUK, replying to . OKUK, 6, #876 of 2079 🔗

Chinese Communists getting ready for a major “aktion” (as it was called in WW2) against free churches, looking to arrest, imprison and torture into submission hundreds of thousands. This is the dictatorship the Biden crime family are in bed with.

There is video of Criminally Insane Soros at Davos talking warmly of Chief Justice Roberts of the US Supreme Court and his capacity for delivering “surprises”. Yes, surprises like he doesn’t believe in the US constitution or free elections, he allows roots to influence his judgment and has no intention of delvering on its principles

312908 ▶▶ richard riewer, replying to . OKUK, 1, #877 of 2079 🔗

Find some dirt on Roberts and have him removed of his duties.

312914 ▶▶▶ . OKUK, replying to richard riewer, 2, #878 of 2079 🔗

There was a frequent flyer to Epstein Island called John Roberts. Many think they are one and the same.

312925 ▶▶▶▶ . OKUK, replying to . OKUK, 3, #879 of 2079 🔗

….oh and Roberts is alleged to have commented of Trump “That motherf****r is not going to be the next President.

312928 ▶▶▶▶ richard riewer, replying to . OKUK, 2, #880 of 2079 🔗

The Chief Justice of the Supreme Court might be a pedophile? Wow!

313177 ▶▶▶▶▶ Londo Mollari, replying to richard riewer, #881 of 2079 🔗

There’s lots them about in media and politics. It’s a control method.

312923 ▶▶ Tyneside Tigress, replying to . OKUK, 1, #882 of 2079 🔗
313007 ▶▶ Ben, replying to . OKUK, 4, #883 of 2079 🔗

Biden is a nasty piece of work. No surprise the MSM were so eager to name him President Elect so soon. Or ‘Media Elect’ as some call him

313071 ▶▶ annie, replying to . OKUK, 2, #884 of 2079 🔗

There are no free churches in Britain.
At least the Chinese ones can’t be accused of destroying themselves in their craven, selfish folly.

313179 ▶▶▶ Londo Mollari, replying to annie, #885 of 2079 🔗

There are some who do not bow to the Mask of the Beast and who preach the Gospel of Christ.

312905 richard riewer, replying to richard riewer, 12, #886 of 2079 🔗

Cancel Boris.

312963 ▶▶ Voz 0db, replying to richard riewer, #887 of 2079 🔗

At this point reality is very SIMPLE: It’s either KILL or be culled.

Until several Jedburgh’s actions aren’t executed nothing will change except the things the SRF & Billionaires via jesters want to CHANGE!

312917 Dan Clarke, replying to Dan Clarke, 5, #888 of 2079 🔗

When cash has gone during our incarceration, and we are all ordering what need digitally, the banks will begin charging. The money collected will go to the world bank where it will be used to ‘level up society’. The UK sees this as another Aid added onto the Aid we already give.

312945 ▶▶ Dan Clarke, replying to Dan Clarke, 4, #889 of 2079 🔗

There will be more of that, cash gone, we have no choice. Everything will require a digital payment

313003 ▶▶ Ben, replying to Dan Clarke, 8, #890 of 2079 🔗

I said goodbye in the summer to one of my favourite independent food shops when it began refusing to accept cash payments. If it fails and goes out of business I will have little sympathy. Likewise for Holland And Barrett who treat their customers like walking biohazards

And another independent retailer yesterday asking if I’d like to pay ‘contactless’. I declined and they held out instead a cardboard box so I could drop my cash in it

I resent being treated like a leper – it’s morally wrong, but my main motivation to protect cash came from a shock earlier in the year when a banking error deactivated my bank card, which prevented me from withdrawing cash from any machine. I was suddenly helpless and vulnerable

I have been using cash throughout lockdown, as always, and I have never become ill

313074 ▶▶▶ annie, replying to Ben, 4, #891 of 2079 🔗

I pay cash or I don’t buy.Their choice.

313085 ▶▶▶ Tom in Scotland, replying to Ben, 3, #892 of 2079 🔗

Exactly. I don’t understand how cash is any more dangerous than cards (‘contactless’ or otherwise) and with cash, just use a little tray like they do in many other countries; you put your money on it, give it to the merchant, and then get your change on it without having to touch hands at all or get too close to people. Just wash your hands afterwards, which I would always do after coming home from being out and about (and before eating/preparing food) well before the Rona. It’s just common sense – oh, wait – common sense went out the window back in March.

312924 swedenborg, 1, #893 of 2079 🔗

CDC latest updated guidelines. They are still not contraindicating anyone with severe allergic reaction to food or medicines.I think MHRA excludes them. This seems rather risky. Let us see how long these guidelines will continue. They use the word may give C-19 in these riskgroups for vaccine reactions.


“If you have ever had a severe allergic reaction to any ingredient in a COVID-19 vaccine, CDC recommends that you should not get that specific vaccine. If you have had a severe allergic reaction to other vaccines or injectable therapies, you should ask your doctor if you should get a COVID-19 vaccine. Your doctor will help you decide if it is safe for you to get vaccinated.
CDC recommends that people with a history of severe allergic reactions not related to vaccines or injectable medications—such as allergies to food, pet, venom, environmental, or latex—may still get vaccinated. People with a history of allergies to oral medications or a family history of severe allergic reactions, or who might have an milder allergy to vaccines (no anaphylaxis)—may also still get vaccinated.
If you have a severe allergic reaction after getting the first shot, you should not get the second shot. Your doctor may refer you to a specialist in allergies and immunology to provide more care or advice”

312938 Mike Collins, replying to Mike Collins, 11, #894 of 2079 🔗

I don’t know what part my conversation with a neighbour may have on your thoughts about this, but it’s definitely crystallised my understanding of our current situation.

He’s retired, on state and employer pensions so well shielded from the financial penalties of lockdown, when I asked what he was going to do when the triple lock is scrapped his jaw dropped. When I explained that somebody has to pay for this he seemed shocked.

I then said something along the lines of this u-turn has finished Johnson and his attendant village idiots and he launched into a strident defence along the lines of ’he’s damned if he does etc etc’. When I reminded him of his Labour poster at the last GE he said he’d always thought of the Tories as ‘evil and uncaring’ but not anymore!

Bingo, the light comes on, this is all about Johnson recovering the moral high ground for the Tories, 2-3 generations of voters who will think the Tories are the saviours of humanity, not the evil destroyers of the NHS/society. It’s all about killing off populism, giving MP’s a new veneer of moral authority. The Labour Party is hamstrung, they don’t believe in lockdowns (really) but they can’t stand up against it, Johnson occupying the high ground.

Perhaps I’ve succumbed to Lockdown madness but there’s my two pennorth worth for the day. When is Richard Tice going to throw his hat in the ring?

312957 ▶▶ Ben, replying to Mike Collins, 11, #895 of 2079 🔗

Starmer’s frothing at the mouth for harsher lockdowns suggests otherwise

312976 ▶▶▶ Julian, replying to Ben, 6, #896 of 2079 🔗

Agree. Maybe not all Labour supporters believe in Lockdowns but other than a few rebels I think the MPs do.

I agree with the overall point though that a lot of this is about the PM wanting to appear caring, pro-NHS. Of course, if he realises this is doing the country and the NHS more harm than good then that makes him wicked. Maybe some of them believe their own lies. People lie to themselves quite successfully all the time.

313001 ▶▶▶▶ Fiona Walker, replying to Julian, 2, #897 of 2079 🔗

I wonder if there will be any clapping for the NHS this winter?

313017 ▶▶▶ RickH, replying to Ben, 5, #898 of 2079 🔗

I think you’ve got to see Starmer in context. He is a greasy pole-climber who has been manouevered into position as an establishment alternative to Johnson. He has no record of being a radical alternative.

The campaign against Corbyn that preceded it wasn’t about specific policies – it was a desperation to get rid of that possible alternative from outside the establishment tent. Thus the overt involvement of the Securitat in the campaign – a role that has become clearer with the Covid propaganda initiative.

His main focus since becoming leader has been to get rid of the Labour Party as an alternative voice. All his opposition to Johnson has been theatre – nothing of substance, and certainly no opposition to the Covid Scam.

Possibly the biggest irony has been the persecution of Jewish radical voices under the guise of opposing ‘anti-semitism’. Such is the twisted moral fabric of the right-wing Labour establishment.

313108 ▶▶▶▶ Mayo, replying to RickH, #899 of 2079 🔗

What opposition would Corbyn have provided to the Covid scam?

314076 ▶▶▶▶▶ Jo Dominich, replying to Mayo, #900 of 2079 🔗

A hell of a lot more than Starmer. Corbyn would never sanction or agree to the massive annihilation of our civil liberties currently in play, he would have taken advice from many professionals not just SAGE, he would have fought the social injustice inflicted on the already poor, vulnerable and elderly. I could go on.

The reason there was such a vicious vitriolic, malicious MSM campaign against him backed by the Security Services (Yep, Johnson as Foreign Secretary paid Integrity Initiative over £1m to run an intense campaign against him) was because they knew this was coming, they’ve known it for a while and they didn’t want a politician of integrity, principle and committed to fighting poverty, injustice and inequality. No, couldn’t have that now could we.

At the moment, there is no Labour Party, it should be renamed the British Zionist Party.

314119 ▶▶▶▶▶ Bill h, replying to Mayo, #901 of 2079 🔗

No idea.

Who cares ?

313394 ▶▶▶▶ richard riewer, replying to RickH, 1, #902 of 2079 🔗

I am beginning to think that the campaign against Corbyn was one phase in the ascension of Boris to the PM’s office and all the rest of it.

314077 ▶▶▶▶▶ Jo Dominich, replying to richard riewer, #903 of 2079 🔗

Right. SPot on.

313161 ▶▶▶ Derek Toyne, replying to Ben, 1, #904 of 2079 🔗

I believe Starmer is as much use as a chocolate fire guard his only comment is we should have introduced tier 4 earlier. In other words stick with what is not working and maybe somehow that will work. Are these politicians thick or what, to be honest politicians,media and others have really let down the people. As a politician if after doing what your experts tell you to do doesn’t work it is your job to change policy especially when it is affecting everyone. In the past people with infectious diseases would be put in fever hospitals today these people are sent to open plan hospitals. Now it doesn’t take a rocket scientist to work out this is madness so why are we doing it when we have the Nightingale hospitals. Unlike in the past we can also test people to see if they infected which we could isolate in hotels or hostels etc. If lockdown did work we would have been back to normal after 9 week’s not still battling the virus after 9 months.

314082 ▶▶▶▶ Jo Dominich, replying to Derek Toyne, #905 of 2079 🔗

Starmer hasn’t got a Labour principle in his head. He’s a wannabee Dictator and he thinks once Johnson has achieved the destruction of this country people will then vote for him and he will be 10 times worse than Johnson. Just look at what he’s doing to the Labour Party – the guy ran on a Unity ticket for God’s sake. It turns out to be a Protection of Israeli interests ticket.

312953 Ben, replying to Ben, 35, #906 of 2079 🔗
312964 ▶▶ Dan Clarke, replying to Ben, 14, #907 of 2079 🔗

I don’t know anyone who has had covid, or anyone who is cancelling christmas

312956 Jay Berger, replying to Jay Berger, 10, #908 of 2079 🔗


Drosten’s PCR Test business partners inadvertedly confirms that the tests are useless and led to incarcerating people wrongfully in at least half the positive cases!

312986 ▶▶ Richym99, replying to Jay Berger, 5, #909 of 2079 🔗

Google translation of the article.

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  • Critical journalism. Without “attitude”. Without instruction. Without ideology.

corona “Half of those who tested positive were not infectious!” Drosten partner warnsPublished on December 20, 2020
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There is almost something religious about the PCR-Corona tests today: Some, the majority including the big media and the government, firmly believe in their informative value; a minority, however, consider them to be better reading coffee grounds. Both camps face each other inexorably. And the arguments have also been adequately exchanged. In this respect, criticism of the tests from one of the usual suspects would not be worth mentioning. But it is all the more so when it comes from one of the loudest advocates of the tests. Yes, from someone who can be described as one of your obstetricians – with Corona – and who also works with Christian Drosten from the Charité. Critical media even describe the two as a dream couple who have “built an extremely successful business model” together: Olfert Landt from TIB Molbiol and the lively virologists. Various media report on a collaboration that goes back many years.
In an interview with the Fuldaer Zeitung , Landt defended “his” test again. The many allegations that he is not reliable are baseless, according to the entrepreneur. All of this has already been said and presented many times, can now be read in the interview mentioned above and will therefore not be repeated here. Except for his statement that doubts about the PCR method are “presumptuous”. I thought that since the Enlightenment, doubt was the duty of critical minds and not presumption. But the tendency towards dogma among Drosten and his followers is well known.
What is new, however, is a short passage in the middle of the interview, which many readers missed because they gave up beforehand: A large proportion of those infected with corona, i.e. those who tested positive, are not infectious at all, Landt says – which sounds more like it comes from the mouth of a “Corona skeptic”. The Fuldaer Zeitung writes that Landt and Reiner Füllmich, a lawyer who complains against the test, seem to be in agreement on this point: “Not every person who tested positive for the coronavirus is contagious. “We know that people with a low viral load are not infectious,” says Landt. The manufacturer of the PCR tests believes that an estimated half of all people who test positive are not infectious. To be dangerous to third parties,you have to carry ‘100 times more viral load than the detection limit of the tests.’ “

312958 Voz 0db, 1, #910 of 2079 🔗

JUST ENJOY my fellow modern moron slaves…

312959 jim j, 9, #911 of 2079 🔗

I’m just continuing to do my thing, confirmed with our friends this morning that Christmas Lunch is still on and they are still keen.
I’m kind of hoping we can get a fine for something, although we all know that’s incredibly unlikely, because it will be a great story for the grandkids.
“What did you do during the War, Grandpa?”

312965 chaos, replying to chaos, 13, #912 of 2079 🔗

77th brigade are all over the telegraph comment sections. Flag them as spam/offensive/off topic. Tie up their mods.

Get round their paywall:


313064 ▶▶ Bella Donna, replying to chaos, 1, #913 of 2079 🔗

They’re all over Guido Fawkes too!

313172 ▶▶▶ TheOriginalBlackPudding, replying to Bella Donna, 1, #914 of 2079 🔗

Does that mean it might be worth looking at Guido again? I got disillusioned with him.

312966 Jay Berger, replying to Jay Berger, 2, #915 of 2079 🔗


Andrew Lawrence’s take on it….

313023 ▶▶ calchas, replying to Jay Berger, #916 of 2079 🔗

Refer to the Biderman Coercion Chart.

It is important to keep the subjects guessing, so that they never know what is coming next, so that they can’t adjust.

312975 Poppy, replying to Poppy, 27, #917 of 2079 🔗

Not really sure what good reducing the Christmas ‘window’ to just one day will do. Those who do still decide to travel will still be seeing the same people they would have done from 23 – 27 Dec and not mixing with anyone else.

Instead, imposing last-minute restrictions has just forced everyone in London on a mass exodus to cram into trains on a Saturday evening, when originally people probably had plans to travel at off-peak times throughout the week to reduce contact with others – a sensible and common-sense thing to do. The roads will be chaos on Christmas Day which may well materially raise the risk of car accidents, especially if people get up very early to drive, have a long day, and then leave late at night to get the most out of their measly day.

Sorry, I forgot that ‘muh science’ doesn’t include common sense and that Covid is the only risk facing mankind in 2020.

312988 ▶▶ RickH, replying to Poppy, 12, #918 of 2079 🔗

Your points are spot on – and are testimony to how the aim hasn’t been public health and safety, but the induction of Panic and Fear as the key objective.

Government as national enemy.

313036 ▶▶ arfurmo, replying to Poppy, 6, #919 of 2079 🔗

The virus takes Xmas day off but has to work Xmas Eve and Boxing Day.

313083 ▶▶ annie, replying to Poppy, 3, #920 of 2079 🔗

My sister confirms that most of London’s population appears to have fled broadcast
What a perfect way to spread infection (if it exists) all over the bloody country.

313087 ▶▶ Lyra Silvertongue, replying to Poppy, 5, #921 of 2079 🔗

Spot on, to which I’d add that if people are going to travel and stay with others (and we’re going to assume here these people always intended to comply with the bubble size) what damn difference to infection chances does it make to cut this time down to 12 hours? They must have naively assumed this would put people off making longer journeys across country, naive because anyone who has actually done a real job will know that spending six, seven hours behind the wheel in a working day is not particularly extraordinary. Oh, and with the legal ability to stay overnight gone I would also expect there to be even greater levels of drinking and driving than on a normal Xmas day. Sorry for the ambulance services who will have to deal with this.

313004 ▶▶ Magoo, replying to Tyneside Tigress, -10, #923 of 2079 🔗

Did you read the article?

The article actually says that long Covid might be giving people an early menopause, not the vaccine.

313008 ▶▶▶ John P, replying to Magoo, 10, #924 of 2079 🔗

Did you not understand the point?

I think the point that tyneside tigress was making was that suggesting that covid could cause early menopause might be a way of masking vaccine induced sterility.

Ie, they might try to suggest that it wasn’t the vaccine that made the woman sterile, it was covid.

313041 ▶▶▶▶ IanE, replying to John P, 3, #925 of 2079 🔗

And, oh, oh, oh, how disappointed Bill Gates would be if millions of women were unable to produce offspring!

313012 ▶▶▶ calchas, replying to Magoo, 9, #926 of 2079 🔗

Tigress’ point was that this might be propaganda preparation for an early menopause in reality caused by a vaccine.

You need to look at her comment again.

313016 ▶▶▶ Tyneside Tigress, replying to Magoo, 7, #927 of 2079 🔗

Who are you?

313054 ▶▶▶▶ mikewaite, replying to Tyneside Tigress, 3, #928 of 2079 🔗

I have seen him on children’s TV . He blunders into things because he cannot see where he is going .

313165 ▶▶▶▶ TheOriginalBlackPudding, replying to Tyneside Tigress, 2, #929 of 2079 🔗

Good question. Perhaps a friend of William Gruff. With a penchant for infantile naming conventions who’s next?

313186 ▶▶ Ben, replying to Tyneside Tigress, 1, #930 of 2079 🔗

The Daily Mail. The same family owned newspaper that once supported the fascists. Nothing has changed

312979 Smelly Melly, replying to Smelly Melly, 4, #931 of 2079 🔗

I’m no lawyer, but don’t these rulings like tier 4 require parliamentary approval and royal assent. Until then these rulings are only guidelines and not law. But I’m open to correction (unlike politicians and zealots).

312995 ▶▶ John P, replying to Smelly Melly, 7, #932 of 2079 🔗

No. They’ve not bothered with Parliamentary approval for most of this up to know!

Tossed the Tory rebels a bone in the autumn, but they’re back to taking the piss again now.

Expect it to become law 5 minutes to midnight.

313000 ▶▶▶ John P, replying to John P, 3, #933 of 2079 🔗

“Royal Assent” is simply a constitutional nicety, in practice the Queen cannot override parliament. (Even if she wanted to!)

313002 ▶▶ Charlie Blue, replying to Smelly Melly, 6, #934 of 2079 🔗

Nope. They use the Public Health Act and Coronavirus Act to do as they please.

313037 ▶▶▶ IanE, replying to Charlie Blue, 5, #935 of 2079 🔗

And, of course, as Hitchens notes today, the judges will not intervene!

Much as in the USA, where there is surely at least enough evidence that a full investigation should go ahead. Sadly, the ‘weak’ Righties (no names, no pack drill) have allowed it to be ignored. What is it they say about a few good men doing nothing?!

313070 ▶▶ Jonathan Palmer, replying to Smelly Melly, 6, #936 of 2079 🔗

They made it law at 7.00am.The 1984 public health act gives them this power to rule by S.I.Giving Parliament a vote was a concession to buy off dissent.

313473 ▶▶ Iansn, replying to Smelly Melly, 1, #937 of 2079 🔗

no they are statutory instruments under the health regs, they re not laws. Whern the courts hada chance to rein in Johnson they turned it down several times over these regs. Its was sorted in 2 days over the Brexit prorogation. You can see what the law lords think

312980 RickH, replying to RickH, 19, #938 of 2079 🔗

Just accidentally caught the news headlines on Radio 3.

The grotesque exaggeration of a ‘mutant virus’ that is out of control beggars belief. It assumes a level of gullibility that is quite unprecedented since the beginning of the shit-show.

313005 ▶▶ Tyneside Tigress, replying to RickH, 4, #939 of 2079 🔗

Well, the Cabinet of minor talents seemed to fall for it. As if Dodgy Dossier 2 wasn’t enough!

313028 ▶▶ IanE, replying to RickH, #940 of 2079 🔗

A level of gullibility which is, however, exceeded!

#Homo Non Sapiens

313049 ▶▶ mikewaite, replying to RickH, 5, #941 of 2079 🔗

On midday R4 also . If I heard correctly they were quoting Hancock as saying that the Tier 4 restrictions would last for months. And of course they will find that the “new variant” will have spread everywhere.
The sepulchral tones in which this “new variant” was discussed , not just by the news reader but by every one on the programme seemed calculated to strike terror into anyone contemplating putting a foot out of doors, contrary to the points frequently made here that this strain is a not unexpected mutation, is less serious than the original strain and if it has only affected 1100 people since September is clearly not very contagious.

312981 MiriamW-sometimes-AlanG, replying to MiriamW-sometimes-AlanG, 25, #942 of 2079 🔗

I’m reading ‘They Thought they were Free – The Germans 1933 – 1945’ by Milton Mayer, written in 1955. I have just found this bit which could have been written today:

‘Take Germany as a city cut off from the outside world by flood or fire advancing from every direction. The mayor proclaims martial law, suspending council debate. He mobilizes the populace, assigning each section its tasks. Half the citizens are at once engaged directly in the public business. Every private act – a telephone call, the use of an electric light, the service of a physician – becomes a public act. Every private right – to take a walk, to attend a meeting, to operate a printing press – becomes a public right. Every private institution – the hospital, the church, the club – becomes a public institution. Here, although we never think to call it by any name but pressure of necessity, we have the whole formula of totalitarianism.

The individual surrenders his individuality without a murmur, without, indeed a second thought – and not just his individual hobbies and tastes, but his individual occupation, his individual family concerns, his individual needs. The primordial community, the tribe, re-emerges, its preservation the first function of all its members. Every normal personality of the day before becomes an “authoritarian personality”. A few recalcitrants have to be disciplined (vigorously, under the circumstances) for neglect or betrayal of their duty. A few groups have to be watched or, if necessary, taken in hand – the antisocial elements, the liberty-howlers, the agitators among the poor, [and the criminal gangs]. For the rest of the citizens – 95 per cent or so of the population – duty is now the central fact of life. They obey, at first awkwardly but, surprisingly soon, spontaneously.

The community is suddenly an organism, a single body and a single soul, consuming its members for its own purposes. For the duration of the emergency, the city does not exist for the citizen but the citizen for the city.’

313084 ▶▶ annie, replying to MiriamW-sometimes-AlanG, 4, #943 of 2079 🔗

Absolutely text-book accurate.

313176 ▶▶ Ben, replying to MiriamW-sometimes-AlanG, 1, #944 of 2079 🔗

Why Sophie Scholl remains a true hero

313197 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to MiriamW-sometimes-AlanG, 1, #945 of 2079 🔗

Have it on my book shelf. Worth re reading. Thanks for the reminder.

313263 ▶▶ semper dissentio, replying to MiriamW-sometimes-AlanG, 2, #946 of 2079 🔗

I’ll put that on my list, and can recommend Alone in Berlin, by Hans Fallada.
It’s a fictionalised account of a real couple’s quiet resistance against the Nazis by leaving hand-written postcards denouncing hitler around the city.
It’s a gripping and quite chilling story about the pettiness and grubbiness of the way people complied with the regime.

313480 ▶▶▶ MiriamW-sometimes-AlanG, replying to semper dissentio, #947 of 2079 🔗

Thanks for this – it sounds like a must-read and we’ve just ordered it! We would be more depressed about the pettiness and grubbiness of people in our time if we weren’t aware that some of are neighbours are sticking 2 fingers up to it all and having family round as we speak! 🙂

We’re now crossing all our fingers that our daughter and family stay strong and still have us round for a meal on Christmas Eve. They’re also supposed to be visiting our son and some friends down south for a few days post Christmas and we’ve invited them for a meal here when they get back. It’s a real test for us all but we at least (Grandma and Grandpa) are definitely up for it. MW

312992 watashi, 4, #948 of 2079 🔗

Have just started reading The Covid Con; A Wake by courtenay-adam-lawrence: heading.
Can highly recommend it!

312994 DRW, replying to DRW, 30, #949 of 2079 🔗

Hi all, I went out today obsessed with this, it was honestly all I could think about. Honestly if we lose and they get away with going all the way I will be gone. You can just imagine endless LD cycles every year. But yesterday’s supportive messages reminded myself that yes, we can still win.

313014 ▶▶ Tyneside Tigress, replying to DRW, 14, #950 of 2079 🔗

Yes we can, and we will. It will be a great victory too.

313034 ▶▶ Cranmer, replying to DRW, 10, #951 of 2079 🔗

They can’t get away with endless LD cycles without a radical restructuring of the global economy and financial system. That may be the plan, but I can’t see how something like that can happen smoothly and with the full consent of the sheeple.

313058 ▶▶▶ IanE, replying to Cranmer, 3, #952 of 2079 🔗

Yes, one feels that there, surely, must eventually be a massive backlash. Still, as I think someone pointed out here yesterday Oceania is, and of course always was, at war with Eurasia (or is it now and always Eastasia?)!

313061 ▶▶▶ Poppy, replying to Cranmer, 7, #953 of 2079 🔗

Indeed; whenever I try to convince people of the madness, they ALWAYS say, ‘It’s not forever’, so the sheeple still think this is just short-term.

313140 ▶▶▶▶ Norman, replying to Poppy, 4, #954 of 2079 🔗

My 2nd cousin says ‘we fear it’s never going to end’. They never paid much attention to politics let alone science. They’ve asked me for more details.

313193 ▶▶▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to Poppy, 2, #955 of 2079 🔗

That is my current anger trigger. That it’s only temporary. Basically, shut up and just do it. Then we can get back to normal.

314046 ▶▶▶ Jo Dominich, replying to Cranmer, #956 of 2079 🔗

I think you are right there. For the whole of a democracy to be utterly and completely dismantled isn’t really possible. Hitler, Stalin and others came to be Leaders in chronic and desperate poverty conditions for most of the populations and on bankrupt economies so it was not difficult to build Dictatorships. However, yes, we are currently spiralling into these economic conditions but, as Johnson’s cabal don’t have a clue about how to execute a simple plan let alone one this complex, they are failing and they know it. Hence the new strain of the virus etc etc etc.

313065 ▶▶ Tom in Scotland, replying to DRW, 14, #957 of 2079 🔗

I think we’re finally going to see the turning point now. Lots of observations – big exodus from London, people saying they will not obey the rules online, huge economic hit coming (between the Rona and the end of the Brexit transition period). My hope is that Bozo will be ousted soon and his replacement will want to stop the madness, ideally with a new Cabinet. Let the Covidians take their placebo/magic vaccine and then just declare victory in the spring to re-open and start dealing with the damage.

313162 ▶▶▶ Ben, replying to Tom in Scotland, 6, #958 of 2079 🔗

It’s quite incredible. A pro-Boris Johnson family I know of, who are also pro-lockdown are planning to break the rules. They don’t want to leave an elderly relative alone over the holiday season

I’d love to be a fly on the wall of politicians’ houses over Christmas. Will Neil Ferguson break the rules again?

Unfortunately, an anti-lockdown cabinet is impossible in my view. All countries seem to be occupied. Only Alexander Lukashenko said ‘NO!’. There is no opposition to restrictions in Parliament

314050 ▶▶▶▶ Jo Dominich, replying to Ben, #959 of 2079 🔗

You bet Ferguson, Johnson, Witty, Valance, Wancock, Gove, Jenricks, Ellwood and the others will be having normal Christmases with several households all joined together. Unless someone blows the whistle on them they will get away with it too.

313153 ▶▶ Ben, replying to DRW, 8, #960 of 2079 🔗

If we do win (and I hope humanity prevails and the whole Corona Scandal house-of-cards collapses) I will spend the rest of my life making sure that those who participated know that they are guilty of crimes against humanity. I will never forget. I want to see Nuremberg-style trials. Bill Gates up first before the judges

313468 ▶▶ Edward, replying to DRW, 1, #961 of 2079 🔗

Strangely optimistic article by Jeremy Warner in the business section of the Sunday Telegraph. I wish I could share his optimism but I don’t. He thinks that “mass vaccination will allow for the steady withdrawal of lockdown restrictions and the resumption of normal social and consumer spending”.
But if the vaccine doesn’t necessarily confer immunity but just alleviates symptoms, then it’s not actually a vaccine as commonly understood, and on present idiotic policies it won’t provide a justification for withdrawing restrictions. Restrictions may be reduced but if the virus is endemic and the dodgy testing continues we could easily be in the same position next December as in this one. Lockdown has become the policy of first resort when it should be a last resort.
Incidentally we’re about 40% of the way through the football season and the return of crowds seems to be as far away as ever.

313018 charleyfarley, replying to charleyfarley, 38, #962 of 2079 🔗

Wife and I had planned a couple of days in the New Forest this week. We live in Kent.

I have no intention of allowing a gang of criminals to tell me what I can and can’t do, so we shall be going.

Life must and will go on.

313035 ▶▶ Achilles, replying to charleyfarley, 14, #963 of 2079 🔗

Avoid motorways where you can. They will be pulling people over. Britain 2020.

313891 ▶▶▶ SweetBabyCheeses, replying to Achilles, 2, #964 of 2079 🔗

No they won’t. Stop adding to the fearmongering.

313046 ▶▶ Luckyharry69, replying to charleyfarley, 1, #965 of 2079 🔗

Say hello to Bransgore or Christchurch if you go past…lovely part of the country………

313055 ▶▶ Lyra Silvertongue, replying to charleyfarley, 7, #966 of 2079 🔗

You’ll likely be absolutely free to do whatever in the Forest itself but be careful to park discreetly and definitely be cautious for animals. Second the comment about avoiding motorways, especially the M27 which has roadworks for a long stretch and thus 50mph enforced by average speed cameras which are thus getting your plates, as well as going through People’s Republic of Tier Four. Other than the car getting ID’d you’ll be very unlucky to even see any police in Hampshire; of course there is the risk that a local busybody might notice your vehicle isn’t at home…

313588 ▶▶▶ Rowan, replying to Lyra Silvertongue, #967 of 2079 🔗

You number plates are being read every few miles on all UK motorways and on many ordinary roads. Ignore the cameras and get on with life.

313069 ▶▶ Cranmer, replying to charleyfarley, 11, #968 of 2079 🔗

Tier 4 allows for travel to ‘carry out activities related to buying, selling, letting or renting a residential property.’ Perhaps your visit to the New Forest is for such a purpose? I think it highly likely that it could be.

313151 ▶▶ Londo Mollari, replying to charleyfarley, 3, #969 of 2079 🔗

Have a great time! You can visit the spot where Henry I had his brother, William II, assassinated in 1100AD in what was supposedly a hunting accident. Maybe it will give you some ideas for our present situation.

313026 Teebs, replying to Teebs, 17, #970 of 2079 🔗

The Prime Minister told the nation: “When the virus changes its method of attack, we must change our methods of defence.”

Err … yeah but (assuming the virus has actually changed its “method of attack”) he has not changed the “methods of defence”, just the same old ones that have so far been shown to cost tons in turns of physical and mental health, education, livelihoods, and … fail.

313032 ▶▶ arfurmo, replying to Teebs, 13, #971 of 2079 🔗

Viruses aren’t enemy soldiers with their Generals commanding them. What a dick he is.

313031 Cranmer, replying to Cranmer, 20, #972 of 2079 🔗

Look on the bright side (sort of).
We knew that there would be another almighty lockdown coming – we just thought it would be after Christmas.
All Boris has achieved now is to bring that forward, but in the process he has alienated thousands – perhaps millions – of people who previously supported him and his government.

313047 ▶▶ Jonathan Palmer, replying to Cranmer, 9, #973 of 2079 🔗

After the initial hammer blow I came to that conclusion.Could be a Barbarossa moment.

313126 ▶▶▶ Cranmer, replying to Jonathan Palmer, 6, #974 of 2079 🔗

Back in the pre-Covid days I used to do boxing and unarmed combat. The ‘hammer blow’ (or more correctly, the gloved-fist blow) is a shock but it also releases adrenaline improving the fight-or-flight response. I find something similar happens with the government’s sucker-punches.

313082 ▶▶ Bruce Reynolds, replying to Cranmer, 3, #975 of 2079 🔗

Good comment this move will certainly strengthen the sceptics cause…

313156 ▶▶ DRW, replying to Cranmer, 2, #976 of 2079 🔗

The problem is the sheeple just keep complying with everything, after all this it’s impossible to say what goes too far for them.

313244 ▶▶ Julian, replying to Cranmer, #977 of 2079 🔗

Yes, it’s a blunder.

313038 swedenborg, replying to swedenborg, 4, #978 of 2079 🔗

The mutant virus(stupidity) from Johnson has spread to Sweden. Stockholm has closed all indoors sports but also outdoor sports. The leader of the Conservative party in Sweden wants an immediate stop of all travels from UK and compulsory quarantine for those arriving.


313051 ▶▶ IanE, replying to swedenborg, 6, #979 of 2079 🔗

I wonder if that ‘Leader’ has just ‘purchased’ a brand-new top-of-the-line Mercedes recently!?

313134 ▶▶▶ Ben, replying to IanE, 2, #980 of 2079 🔗

Or blackmail or promises of a well paid job in the future

313141 ▶▶▶▶ Londo Mollari, replying to Ben, 4, #981 of 2079 🔗

They just found a Swedish name on the Epstein guest list.

313170 ▶▶ Adamb, replying to swedenborg, 2, #982 of 2079 🔗

So disappointing.

313043 MiriamW-sometimes-AlanG, replying to MiriamW-sometimes-AlanG, 16, #983 of 2079 🔗

We have a regular delivery of organic veg from Riverford. We received an email from their office yesterday with the following charming instructions (their emphasis):

‘Our drivers have been absolute heroes this year, working tirelessly through extraordinary times. If you would like to thank your driver, please do! But remember to keep yourself and your driver safe by avoiding contact.’

Apart from referring to our local husband-and-wife growers as ‘drivers’, we found this really offensive and we strongly object to being treated like lepers in our own home. We are not bloody sick and if they are they ahould not be working!!

Anyway, along with their constant pandering to the Covi-hysteria in their emails, their support for BLM, (we actually cancelled over that but then weakened and re-started our account) we’ve reached the final straw:

The wife has just brought our Christmas delivery wearing a fucking face-nappy! She is outside the whole time and neither husband or wife have have ever done this before. She sneaked the boxes down the passage at the side of the house and we only just caught her. She offered to bring them back to the front but AlanG told her to ‘go away – we hate seeing those bloody masks’. Weirdly, she wished him a Happy Christmas (obviously a stranger to irony as well as impervious to people’s mood.) We can only assume that the nappies are a directive from Saint Guy Singh-Watson, bedw fear-porner in chief, but we’re not putting up with this from them any more.

So that’s it; in addition to the local zero-waste shop we’re pulling the plug on them too and we’ll let them know why. The local veg-shop is nowhere near sceptical but at least they’re our bastards, they treat us like human beings and they’re cheaper! MW

313076 ▶▶ wendyk, replying to MiriamW-sometimes-AlanG, 7, #984 of 2079 🔗

I abandoned our zero waste shop several weeks ago as well; too expensive and the husband of the pair who own it reneged on a promise to do a cleaning job in my courtyard.

He also overcharged a friend for an outside painting job.

They are also mask devotees.

313285 ▶▶▶ Silke David, replying to wendyk, 1, #985 of 2079 🔗

I popped into my zero waste shop during May, to be greeted unfriendly “What do you want?” and sprayed with sanitizer without warning.
I have made a point of warning people off from shopping there.

314070 ▶▶▶ Bill h, replying to wendyk, #986 of 2079 🔗

Hope you hung around long enough to tell them to Go Fuck Themselves ?

313103 ▶▶ Mr Dee, replying to MiriamW-sometimes-AlanG, 14, #987 of 2079 🔗

Local greengrocer here is thriving. No mask, no fuss. He even helped me position the Santa-sack sized bag of potatoes onto my back for me to carry home (close contact – shriek!!!!)

313116 ▶▶▶ Cranmer, replying to Mr Dee, 14, #988 of 2079 🔗

We should all be boycotting those firms which go overboard on the Covid precautions, ie, those that impose them with zealotry, and we should write to them to tell them why they have lost our custom.

313198 ▶▶▶ wendyk, replying to Mr Dee, 2, #989 of 2079 🔗

Same here; friendly, no fuss, family enterprise, lovely spuds and mountains of clementines, tangerines and lovely green things.

Everyone welcome, including heretics like me.

313215 ▶▶▶▶ Mr Dee, replying to wendyk, 1, #990 of 2079 🔗

I didn’t even know family greengrocers still existed until I moved to the area recently. I’ve not encountered one since 1991.

313130 ▶▶ Ben, replying to MiriamW-sometimes-AlanG, 5, #991 of 2079 🔗

How many people die or are injured in road car accidents every year?

Stay safe – avoid car travel

313203 ▶▶▶ DRW, replying to Ben, 2, #992 of 2079 🔗

Over the May bank holiday there was an LED sign by a main road with “Reduce your speed, protect the NHS”

313220 ▶▶▶▶ charleyfarley, replying to DRW, 4, #993 of 2079 🔗

What next?

“Kill yourself. Save the NHS.”

313183 ▶▶ birdwatcher, replying to MiriamW-sometimes-AlanG, #994 of 2079 🔗

Have you tried Eversfield instead?

313457 ▶▶▶ MiriamW-sometimes-AlanG, replying to birdwatcher, #995 of 2079 🔗

Thanks for the tip. I’ve just checked their site and it looks promising. We’ll give it a try after the ‘Festive’ (!) season. MW

313243 ▶▶ Julian, replying to MiriamW-sometimes-AlanG, #996 of 2079 🔗

Just been to Majestic and the chap who brought the booze to the car was wearing a sunflower lanyard. I could have kissed him.

313461 ▶▶▶ MiriamW-sometimes-AlanG, replying to Julian, 1, #997 of 2079 🔗

Doesn’t it cheer you up these days to get someone like that? We feel just the same. We had a gas bottle delivered yesterday and the bloke came straight in the house, no muzzle, nothing. That’s one reason we cannot abide this nonsense from the likes of Riverford. Their blasted woman didn’t even ring our Covid-ridden doorbell, just crept up the passage. Sod ’em. MW

313044 Marialta, replying to Marialta, 5, #998 of 2079 🔗


The other other day people were talking about why those white elephants (Nightingale hospitals) which cost millions were grossly under-utilised and I noted it was staff shortages. The level is staggering. 36,655 nurse vacancies.

313090 ▶▶ Mayo, replying to Marialta, -5, #999 of 2079 🔗

The level is staggering. 36,655 nurse vacancies.

Hmm. It depends on what this figure represents. Remember that the NHS has a huge workforce and most organisations have staff vacancies at any point in time. I thought around 7% was typical.

The 36k figure is around 12% so it is high but does this number take into account annual recruitment,

313250 ▶▶▶ Sarigan, replying to Mayo, 1, #1000 of 2079 🔗

I read recently that the John Radcliffe in Oxford was running at 24% absence.

313099 ▶▶ TJS123, replying to Marialta, 8, #1001 of 2079 🔗

In my local hospital our nurse vacancy numbers are about 60. But another 60 or so are also off isolating after positive tests or contact with someone who’s tested positive. If this is the case across the country, that will explain why there is a shortage of staff to be released to work in the Nightingales. We are also being asked to provide nurses to administer the vaccine which will leave the wards even shorter and mean that planned surgery etc will have to be cancelled. So, cancellation of regular work is not because the NHS is overwhelmed by covid patients, it’s because of many other factors, all government-generated.

313188 ▶▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to TJS123, #1002 of 2079 🔗

This kind of question is being asked a lot. I haven’t seen anyone take it on. How much of the capacity issue at hospitals (In Northern Ireland this is happening again this year, as it has done every year) is driven by:
1) reduced bed numbers due to Covid measures.

2) reduced staff levels due to Covid measures.

314030 ▶▶▶▶ Jo Dominich, replying to BeBopRockSteady, #1003 of 2079 🔗

More likely to be neither actually. They are faring better this year than last. These pressures are not new at this time of year. The real problem is that lack of acute beds and NHS staff having nice little jollies on full pay at home under the guise of Self Isolating. Check out the sick leave for the NHS year on year. It’s a culture not a fact of illness.

314062 ▶▶▶ Bill h, replying to TJS123, #1004 of 2079 🔗

Good insight.

313284 ▶▶ Enjoyeverysandwich, replying to Marialta, #1005 of 2079 🔗

just to chip in…I’d read somewhere (apologies unable to locate at the mo) that the fabled nightingales lacked sufficient or virtually no toilet and washing facilities (and also borne out by a friend who works with a contractor that had supplied electrical power and data management to our nightingale at Sunderland) to enable any use by patients that were anything beyond effectively bed bound.

313303 ▶▶▶ ianric, replying to Enjoyeverysandwich, #1006 of 2079 🔗

I wonder if there was any intention of using the nightingale hospitals and was the building of these hospitals a psychological scare tactic because the government was giving the message “things are so bad we have to build these temporary hospitals”.

314032 ▶▶▶▶ Jo Dominich, replying to ianric, #1007 of 2079 🔗

They were another Johnson vanity project. The problem was that they didn’t have anything like enough cases to even put 9 patients in them.

314064 ▶▶▶▶ Bill h, replying to ianric, #1008 of 2079 🔗

Pure PR I’d say.

Never appeared to be any push to mobilise them.

Course, that could be down to sheer ineptitude…

313533 ▶▶ Basics, replying to Marialta, 3, #1009 of 2079 🔗

I’ll gladly fill a vancancy. Hang on NHS .. work with dancing idiots who have no independent character? Public Health psycopaths ruling the roost? Require improperly tested vaccine in my arm? No thanks.

If that sounds cowardly of me let me say this – friend on mine had an asthma attack, ambulance job. The doctor involved tried to get a mask on my friend as first action. After that refusal a nurse put a nebuliser on my friend which helped. Blood o2 levels looked at for a bit. Next, covid test – refused. Following discussions of staff and a second attempt at a covid test that nebulising nurse asked my friend if they had a coat. Turfed off ward. That’s cowardly.

My friend had, under asthma attack, rationally explained the reason not to be tested – so as not be a statistic that can be used to force others to be put in lockdown and out of business.

My friend is making a recovery and should be fine. Was left wondering if they were due some steriod medication a doc had been aluding to prior to being invited out of the hospital.

313613 ▶▶▶ Ben, replying to Basics, #1010 of 2079 🔗

That totally disgusts me about the NHS. Their obsession with masking patients, even if they’re exempt or if masks are causing distress.

313050 Mayo, replying to Mayo, -10, #1011 of 2079 🔗

Professor Brookes writes

This final Government “chart of doom”, showing new hospital admissions in the “problem” areas, simply reflects the fact that t hey have massively increased testing in those parts of the country over the last few weeks – so creating more positives .

Is he sure that he has cause and effect the right way round?

Is it not possible that more symptomatic cases are presenting at hospitals – so driving an increase in testing with the result that more patients are being admitted to hospital.

We need to know the case per test positivity rate. If the positivity rate is unchanged or higher then the professor’s hypothesis is in trouble.

313066 ▶▶ matt, replying to Mayo, 20, #1012 of 2079 🔗

I see your point, but disagree. We need to know the numbers of patients who are actually being admitted to hospital primarily to be treated for Covid symptoms. The numbers of patients being admitted to hospital subsequent to a positive test result is irrelevant for any purpose. At best, it gives no more information than does the community testing.

Either there is a genuine problem with numbers of people becoming sick enough with Covid that they need to be hospitalised, or there isn’t. This is information that should be available to us, given the degree to which the apparent problem is being used to drive the draconian measure. The way the data is currently published sheds no light onto this specific question. It cannot be impossible to gather this data.

313079 ▶▶▶ Tyneside Tigress, replying to matt, 12, #1013 of 2079 🔗

Matt, the data is there, but being withheld deliberately.

313088 ▶▶▶▶ matt, replying to Tyneside Tigress, 8, #1014 of 2079 🔗

I know that – it must be. I cannot think of any reason for publishing the numbers that they do instead, other than to deliberately obfuscate. If there is really a problem, why choose the numbers that make it very difficult to tell whether or not there’s a problem?

313105 ▶▶▶ DeepBlueYonder, replying to matt, 10, #1015 of 2079 🔗

Assuming that those in hospital with the disease Covid-19 require critical care, up until the last Thursday of February, 2020 NHS organisations published information on a monthly basis about ‘Available and Occupied Critical Care Beds.’ For example, on the last Thursday of February, there were 4,122 adult critical care beds in England of which 3,342 were occupied. It also gave details of ‘Urgent Operations Cancelled’.

Publication of that particular report was discontinued from that point, with the NHS stating that “Due to the coronavirus illness (COVID-19) and the need to release capacity across the NHS to support the response, we are pausing the collection and publication of these and some of our official statistics.” A shocking decision, about which I complained to the Statistics Regulator. See: https://www.england.nhs.uk/statistics/statistical-work-areas/critical-care-capacity/critical-care-bed-capacity-and-urgent-operations-cancelled-2019-20-data/

313128 ▶▶▶▶ DeepBlueYonder, replying to DeepBlueYonder, 4, #1016 of 2079 🔗

Is it just me, or does 4,122 adult critical care beds seem a ludicrously small number of critical care beds for a country (England) with a population of 56,287,000? A country with a relatively high median age.

I wonder whether the cost of maintaining twice, three or ten times that number of critical care beds over the last twenty to thirty years would have exceeded what we have spend on responding to SARS-CoV2?

313168 ▶▶▶▶▶ Tim Bidie, replying to DeepBlueYonder, 1, #1017 of 2079 🔗

Using marginal costing, maintaining spare capacity costs very little indeed.

Similar problem in education, a lack of spare capacity in excellent schools.

I have no idea, never have had, why anyone would think that a ‘buggins’s turn’ state bureaucracy would or could ever be any good at running even a whelk stall….

And yet it is now the NHS state bureaucracy, buttressed by the state broadcaster, that is now running the country.

The results are there for all to see

Come back the grand old Duke of York…..all is forgiven……

314045 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Bill h, replying to Tim Bidie, #1018 of 2079 🔗

But not the current Duke of York, obviously…..


314016 ▶▶▶▶▶ Jo Dominich, replying to DeepBlueYonder, #1019 of 2079 🔗

We have the lowest number of acute beds in the developed world. The NHS has been axing beds for years and still doing so. Someone on here earlier blogged about a lack of nursing – information from the RCN – let’s be clear about this, the RCN are being manipulative. Enough nurses are coming out of training however, the number of acute beds keeps on dropping that means all the nursing jobs for those closed beds no longer exist because the Wards don’t. What has happened over the past 15-20 years is that nurses are moving into highly paid jobs which are firstly, not required and secondly, re non clinical. This is deliberate. So, you have Nurses being paid at Team Manager level despite not managing anyone for jobs such as ‘Adult Safeguarding Co-ordinator’ – many such jobs like this. No clinical responsibility at all. Those rolls are the responsibility of the Local Authority not the NHS. Instead of adding the responsibility on to a Senior Clinical Nurse’s roll they choose to create tiers of these non clinical nursing jobs. I could list numerous ones such as: Multiple Sclerosis Advisor, no clinical work just giving advice (the Voluntary sector do that), Patient Pathway Coordinator – but coordinating pathways is not in their Job Description, it’s just advisory, Motor Neurone Disease Advisor, and so on and so forth. Those jobs have no reason to be created or exist as the Local Authority fund the voluntary sector to do that. It’s just jobs for those that are in favour and that’s why the NHS keeps bleating on about a lack of money. It goes on this type of unashamed empire building.

So, they have enough nurses but in the wrong jobs and not enough beds to keep them occupied. If you go back over the years and read NHS propaganda in the MSM you will find they claim ‘shortages’ everywhere when in reality, there aren’t any. They complained about a shortage of Health Visitors, of District Nurses, of Mental Health Services and myriad others, every year a different one. Yet they have systematically decimated District Nursing numbers, Health Visitor numbers and other nursing jobs.

That’s the truth. The lowest number of acute beds in the developed world (by a long way) and nursing jobs that have no foundation in clinical practice being created instead.

313190 ▶▶▶▶ matt, replying to DeepBlueYonder, 11, #1020 of 2079 🔗

I wasn’t aware and I am not surprised.

I’m being a bit oblique, maybe, but I suppose my main point is this:

There are a lot of people looking at the statistics that are published and using them to infer that the problem isn’t as advertised. I’m no statistician or mathematician (unless you count a GCSE in each, which you shouldn’t), so I can’t do this. But you also don’t need to.

Without even looking at the actual numbers, the very nature of the numbers that are published tells you that – at the very best – they have been chosen to make sure that there is flexibility to be able to claim that a problem exists even if there isn’t.

If we should genuinely be concerned about the number of infections in the community, then why aren’t they publishing the % positive rate consistently and quickly, rather than just the absolute number of positive results (putting aside all of the other problems with the test)?

If we need to worry about the level of hospital admissions being driven by Covid, why aren’t we being told how many people are being admitted to hospital because of Covid, as opposed to being admitted following a +ve test?

If we need to worry about critical care capacity being “overwhelmed” by Covid patients, why can’t we be told how many ICU beds are actually occupied by people being treated for Covid?

If the Covid death rate is concerning, why can’t the numbers be published in such a way that it does away with the whole of/with debate?

I don’t really need to know what any of those numbers actually are to recognise that this is all a bit fishy. The most charitable explanation for all of this is that PHE and the government are operating and making decisions based on the wrong management information due to pretty catastrophic levels of failure in data gathering and selection a few levels down the chain. This seems unlikely. A more likely explanation is that the data sets have specifically been chosen to allow the government and PHE to maintain a crisis footing, whether or not there is actually a crisis. If that’s the case, why should I believe the interpretation of the numbers that I’m being fed? If there really were a real crisis in progress, why wouldn’t they silence the critics by publishing the numbers that actually demonstrate it?

I’m open to other explanations for all of this, but I can’t think of one myself.

313237 ▶▶▶▶▶ Julian, replying to matt, 3, #1021 of 2079 🔗

I asked someone senior in the NHS for proof of hospitals being overwhelmed, expecting some internally available stats. Instead I got a link to a local newspaper report. I asked if it was typical, how it compared to previous years, and pointed out that some of the key information needed to understand this issue (as pointed out above) is not available. Silence.

314020 ▶▶▶▶▶ Jo Dominich, replying to matt, #1022 of 2079 🔗

Brilliant analysis.

313191 ▶▶▶ p02099003, replying to matt, 4, #1023 of 2079 🔗

But what symptoms? There appears to be no symptom that is specific to CoViD19. I have put in a FOI request to the Leicester trust to see how many infectious disease notifications have been submitted by their physicians. If a patient is symptomatic for CoViD19 then that should be reported as an infectious disease using NOID. Positive tests are reported to PHE.

314022 ▶▶▶▶ Jo Dominich, replying to p02099003, #1024 of 2079 🔗

Thanks for this. I’ll do the same here.

313208 ▶▶▶ charleyfarley, replying to matt, 1, #1025 of 2079 🔗

The fact that such data is NOT being used proves that it doesn’t exist.

313072 ▶▶ Tyneside Tigress, replying to Mayo, 6, #1026 of 2079 🔗

No, the professor works in Leicester and knows what he is talking about. More testing, more cases, including those ordinarily going to hospital (women, maternity-related) and those being transferred from elsewhere in the hospital system/nosocomial transmission of 25% at a minimum.

313107 ▶▶ Magoo, replying to Mayo, #1027 of 2079 🔗

I made a similar point below. His graph shows the positivity rate is still near its peak.

313129 ▶▶▶ Mayo, replying to Magoo, -8, #1028 of 2079 🔗

Actually I missed the positivity rate graph. I should have finished reading the article. The increase looks real.

313159 ▶▶▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to Mayo, 5, #1029 of 2079 🔗

Positivity is essentially meaningless without additional information. Which we never get. How many of these positives are a single PCR test at 45CTs

313175 ▶▶▶▶ Tim Bidie, replying to Mayo, 2, #1030 of 2079 🔗

Did you read the WHO latest (14 Dec) PCR test advice?

Herewith, for ease of reference:

The probability that a person who has a positive result (SARS-CoV-2 detected) is truly infected with SARS-CoV-2 decreases as positivity rate decreases, irrespective of the assay specificity.

Therefore, healthcare providers are encouraged to take into consideration testing results along with clinical signs and symptoms, confirmed status of any contacts, etc.
Users of RT-PCR reagents should read the IFU carefully to determine if manual adjustment of the PCR positivity threshold is necessary to account for any background noise which may lead to a specimen with a high cycle threshold (Ct) value result being interpreted as a positive result.

Reference in the article above

314051 ▶▶▶▶▶ Bill h, replying to Tim Bidie, #1031 of 2079 🔗

Mayo is a useful player for testing of arguments.

He is a useful member of the crew.

313171 ▶▶ Steve Martindale, replying to Mayo, 2, #1032 of 2079 🔗

Looking at hospital admission figures in isolation is symptomatic of the problem with data analysis regarding this virus hoo-haa, it is an isolated statistic taken out of context.
It needs to be looked at alongside the total number in hospital, the number of deaths in hospital and the number of discharges. Looking at the NHS dashboard we are admitting about 1700 patients per day into hospital but the total number in hospital is only going up by around 300-400 per day. Some but by no means all this difference will be deaths but presumably a large part of the difference is discharges. This is one of the NHSs good news stories, the turn-around time for Covid patients is now much smaller than it was at the start of all this.
The other issue is the very significant amount of covid infection that is being picked up in hospital many people have said to me that they know of people who have picked up covid in hospital. You would need to confirm with the hospital data recorders but I understand that when someone already in hospital contacts covid that is recorded as an admission even though they are already in hospital.

The NHS dashboard records the total number of tests but this includes all the multiple tests carried our for care and health staff and on hospital patients, currently this is showing around 47 million tests. The +ve test results (so called cases) are only recorded on a per person basis this is currently showing 2 million +ve test results.

313196 ▶▶▶ RickH, replying to Steve Martindale, 3, #1033 of 2079 🔗

Yes. The problem we have is the same old story – making sense of massively compromised data, even when it’s better than most.

If I had to put my finger on one indicator that this is a manufactured scam, it is the continued us of the PCR test when all scientific knowledge indicates that it is unsuited to its professed purpose at a large number of levels.

313361 ▶▶▶ ianric, replying to Steve Martindale, 2, #1034 of 2079 🔗

A key justifications used for lockdowns was that people had to be quarantained or otherwide they would infect each other and the NHS would be overwhelmed. There are numerous issues raised with this justification :-

1) How credible was the notion everyone was a potential biohazard who would infect others. If you do catch covid how infectious are you? In previous posts people have raised surveys which show people with covid haven’t infected people in their households. Below is an article from the Daily Mail.


As myself and others have pointed out if covid is so infectious why is that when testing for covid it is necessary to stick a swab deep inside the throat or nose rather than take swabs from the mouth. Are people who test positive classed as having an infectious disease even if they show no symptoms and don’t have a clinical illness.

A justification for applying lockdown laws to everyone is that healthy asymptomatic people can transmit the virus. My research shows this doesn’t happen.

2) How many people with covid develop such severe symptoms that they must be admitted to hospital. If coronavirus produces severe symptoms why is that even the BBC which pumps propoganda for the government admits 80% will only get mild symptoms

Coronavirus: What it does to the body – BBC News

3) Are people classed as covid cases if they test positive but have no symptoms and are being treated for something else. If this is the case, how many patients fall under this category.

4) If hospitals are so busy treating covid patients why are medical staff doing tik tok videos?

5) If people were admitted with covid, how ill were they and what level of treatment did they require? How many needed to go on ICU?

6) How many only catch covid after hospital admission? How can lockdowns be justified if people are not contracting covid in the community?

7) How long were covid patients in hospital for? If covid patients were discharged quickly, hospitals would make room for new patients but capacity would be an issue with long stay covid patients.

313174 ▶▶ RickH, replying to Mayo, 1, #1035 of 2079 🔗

Well : the problem, right from the start, has been that accurate data on definitive SARS-CoV-2 infection has has been irretrievably screwed.

On top of that we have the use of the inaccurate and inappropriate PCR test to provide a meaningless data set (in terms of actual infection). All we can do is use a rule-of-thumb division by 10 to get somewhere near the true level of actual infection.

But clearly, the ‘testdemic’ effect is a major factor – borne out by the ONS Infection Survey that, when adjusted appropriately, shows a very low background prevalence – which is what would make sense.

314036 ▶▶ Bill h, replying to Mayo, #1036 of 2079 🔗

Generally the positivity rate is falling.

Of course it depends to a large extent on the cycle threshold selected.

And of course, the terrible LFT tests show an impossibly low rate of infection .


313053 semper dissentio, replying to semper dissentio, 32, #1037 of 2079 🔗

I went to visit a friend yesterday whilst my better half met his better half in a cafe.
We sat in his large sitting room, as far apart as was practical, and had a good chat.
He’s smart enough to be interested in why I don’t agree with all the lockdown policies,
and I’ll be sending him some links.
His other half came back, viewed my presence with some anxiety, and I was ushered out.
Our better halves had been closer together in the cafe than me and my chum were in his house, and in the cafe they were surrounded by strangers.
But somehow my visit was ‘bad’ whereas the cafe visit was OK.
That response shows that it’s fear of being found non-compliant that’s at work.
What a miserable state of affairs.

313115 ▶▶ RickH, replying to semper dissentio, 5, #1038 of 2079 🔗

I’m not sure that it’s “ fear of being found non-compliant”, although that may be an element.

I think it is genuine Fear that doesn’t relate to logic.

313132 ▶▶▶ Charlie Blue, replying to RickH, 1, #1039 of 2079 🔗

I agree. Just general, amorphous anxiety for many.

313123 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to semper dissentio, 5, #1040 of 2079 🔗

That only make sense if you take away any concern for a virus. Rather, it’s concern only for following rules.

313147 ▶▶▶ Tee Ell, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 2, #1041 of 2079 🔗

I agree with Rick, it could be logical dissonance i.e. although they accept that the rules seem illogical, they still assume they must be helping really, so therefore it’s best to just to along with it. Incredibly frustrating.

313181 ▶▶▶▶ RickH, replying to Tee Ell, #1042 of 2079 🔗

Yes. As I’ve said elsewhere, what I find I run up against continually is the general brainwashing effect – “I can’t believe this is made up.”

313230 ▶▶▶▶▶ Julian, replying to RickH, 2, #1043 of 2079 🔗

Indeed. It is very hard to believe. Other examples of collective insanity would be useful, though people would probably think they are immune. I had this argument with an acquaintance who has a 120+ IQ and a university education, who comes from a country that had a fascist dictator and collaborated with the Nazis, in living memory, and when I suggested that we were not immune from slipping into totalitarian rule he laughed at me and suggested I had lost my marbles.

313056 Bella Donna, replying to Bella Donna, 2, #1044 of 2079 🔗

Has anyone else heard if Bill Gates has given the Telegraph a large brown envelope?

313114 ▶▶ Jonathan Palmer, replying to Bella Donna, 5, #1045 of 2079 🔗

In 2017 he gave £3500000 to fund health reporting in the telegraph.
Source is Armstrong Economics

313273 ▶▶▶ OKUK, replying to Jonathan Palmer, #1046 of 2079 🔗

Wow! That’s big. I never knew that.

313372 ▶▶▶ Bella Donna, replying to Jonathan Palmer, #1047 of 2079 🔗

Someone has said a payment was very recent, like this week!

313122 ▶▶ Ben, replying to Bella Donna, 10, #1048 of 2079 🔗

All roads lead to Bill Gates

313080 calchas, replying to calchas, 2, #1049 of 2079 🔗

Despite protesting that the charges were “trumped up,” Heasman was convicted under the Health Act 1947 and now faces two months in jail.”


313086 ▶▶ Dan Clarke, replying to calchas, 22, #1050 of 2079 🔗

Unjust. My abiding memory of 2020, with others, will be of the man who was ordered by a funeral moron not to comfort his grieving mother at his father’s funeral. In the UK. What have we become.

313089 Lucan Grey, replying to Lucan Grey, 14, #1051 of 2079 🔗

Dear journalists

Please learn the difference between a variant and a strain.

Why are these people paid if they won’t ask the obvious questions?

313095 ▶▶ Londo Mollari, replying to Lucan Grey, 12, #1052 of 2079 🔗

They are paid precisely because they won’t ask questions.

313096 ▶▶ Dan Clarke, replying to Lucan Grey, 2, #1053 of 2079 🔗

Remember all of the ‘media graduates’?

313110 ▶▶▶ RickH, replying to Dan Clarke, 5, #1054 of 2079 🔗

That’s not the problem. The key operators get their jobs via a narrow network of incestuous connections.

313112 ▶▶ Ben, replying to Lucan Grey, 2, #1055 of 2079 🔗

The MSM is the Ministry of Truth (Orwell’s 1984)

313157 ▶▶ NorthumbrianNomad, replying to Lucan Grey, 2, #1056 of 2079 🔗

Thank you. The pig ignorance is breathtaking. Suddenly, when it suits them, it IS just like flu… “every year flu needs a new vaccine because the seasonal variant is different”.

The only questions journalists are allowed to ask are “why aren’t you being harsher on us? Why must we not suffer more? Why were you so weak that you allowed us freedom?”

313213 ▶▶ Tenchy, replying to Lucan Grey, #1057 of 2079 🔗

I must confess to not knowing the difference myself, and it appears the government doesn’t know either:


What is the difference?

313988 ▶▶▶ Jo Dominich, replying to Tenchy, #1058 of 2079 🔗

Did you note Wancock’s slight of hand when he announced this new strain in Parliament on the day of a vote? He said PHE had been studying it for a couple of weeks and would produce a full report in another couple of weeks. Well, the PHE has been disbanded and will not be in situ after the end of December.

313366 ▶▶ Bella Donna, replying to Lucan Grey, #1059 of 2079 🔗

OK I’ll bite, what is the difference?

313091 Londo Mollari, replying to Londo Mollari, 7, #1060 of 2079 🔗

Wicked evil tyrant Putin’s capital will have a freer Christmas than Soviet Britain. https://www.rt.com/russia/510244-moscow-christmas-covid-festivities/

313164 ▶▶ wendyk, replying to Londo Mollari, 2, #1061 of 2079 🔗


And look at these lovely outdoor skating rinks. People enjoying themselves on ice.

313360 ▶▶ Bella Donna, replying to Londo Mollari, 3, #1062 of 2079 🔗

Russia seems very appealing at the moment. At least Putin seems to love his country unlike our sockpuppets.

313092 Mr Dee, replying to Mr Dee, 23, #1063 of 2079 🔗

Guantanamo Bay 2013.

313228 ▶▶ HelenaHancart, replying to Mr Dee, 7, #1064 of 2079 🔗

And in 2002! They had to wear masks, goggles, gloves, and ear muffs – sensory deprivation. When people started wearing masks and gloves THIS was the image that kept coming into my head!

313094 Mr Dee, replying to Mr Dee, 13, #1065 of 2079 🔗

London Tube 2020

313149 ▶▶ Lockdown_Lunacy, replying to Mr Dee, 9, #1066 of 2079 🔗

Do the purple ones have different special powers?

313209 ▶▶▶ Mr Dee, replying to Lockdown_Lunacy, 5, #1067 of 2079 🔗

They change colour according to the wearer’s Social Credit Rating. The white one at the end’s been a naughty girl (anti-social thoughts).

Note how they’re also protecting their ears against Anti-Government Propaganda.

Hear no heresy, Speak no heresy, Think no heresy.

313226 ▶▶▶ HelenaHancart, replying to Lockdown_Lunacy, 1, #1068 of 2079 🔗

The (non) surgical paper ones everyone wears, have more than a wiff of Masonic blue about them…

313301 ▶▶▶ Old Bill, replying to Lockdown_Lunacy, 1, #1069 of 2079 🔗

No, but it is far easier to see the bright green covids against a purple background. Then you can tell more easily when to socially distance as well.

313113 richard riewer, #1070 of 2079 🔗

Mark Windows and James Delingpole both beat Pete to the punch.

313120 Tom Blackburn, #1071 of 2079 🔗
313136 chaos, replying to chaos, 9, #1072 of 2079 🔗

Fuck me.. I have a covd believing friend on the phone.. she phoned me.. now I am being propagandized on the phone..

313152 ▶▶ chaos, replying to chaos, 5, #1073 of 2079 🔗

makes me want to bite myself.. i can’t handle this…

313205 ▶▶▶ anon, replying to chaos, 5, #1074 of 2079 🔗

seriously tell em you’ve been on the phone a long time and slip in something like ‘I mean this thing mutates! it’s ..mutating as we speak’

313222 ▶▶▶▶ Stringfellow Hawke, replying to anon, #1075 of 2079 🔗

Maybe! wonder if the friend has been phone distancing… has anyone else touched her phone the last few months? can’t be too careful nowadays..

313976 ▶▶▶ Jo Dominich, replying to chaos, #1076 of 2079 🔗

Put the phone down.

313154 ▶▶ anon, replying to chaos, 6, #1077 of 2079 🔗

hang up quick! you might catch it!

313163 ▶▶▶ chaos, replying to anon, 2, #1078 of 2079 🔗

I’m willing the call to end. 2020… total torture.

313323 ▶▶▶▶ Richym99, replying to chaos, 2, #1079 of 2079 🔗

click, brrrrrrrrrr

313195 ▶▶ DRW, replying to chaos, 8, #1080 of 2079 🔗

Won’t be a friend for much longer then. I’ve lost two over their sheepishness and family have been really pushing it.

313218 ▶▶▶ HelenaHancart, replying to DRW, 11, #1081 of 2079 🔗

Oh boy, both Mr Hancart have fallen out with many friends and family, not by design, but purely because people are infuriated that we refuse to agree with the narrative. We had a ding-dong this morning with my in-laws who obediently do as they’re told AND sit around each other’s house with their face naps on, but refuse to see us on any level. They absolutely suck up everything they’re told by government, and WE’RE the disease-spreading lepers! This government has probably destroyed many families today. I expect they’re chuffed to bits that their plan is going so well.

313225 ▶▶▶▶ Cranmer, replying to HelenaHancart, 4, #1082 of 2079 🔗

I think we need to do our best to reason with the True Believers – after all ‘there is more joy in heaven over one sinner that repenteth’ etc etc but there comes a point when nothing you can do or say will change their minds. I find an ‘innocent abroad’ approach works quite well sometimes, just slipping in ONE detail to make them think, eg. ‘It’s odd about this pandemic, isn’t it? We’re told how deadly it is but I read the other day its only 0.01% fatal…’etc.

313246 ▶▶▶▶▶ HelenaHancart, replying to Cranmer, #1083 of 2079 🔗

I gave up months ago trying to convince anyone. I just say “thats your truth but its not mine.” I then ask a couple a pertinent questions, which they usually can’t answer, then change the subject! My husband, however, has a more fighting attitude and will argue with his family until the cows come home. Its what they have always done. They don’t stop until they all fall out. Its exhausting and dispiriting.

313274 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ DRW, replying to HelenaHancart, 1, #1084 of 2079 🔗

My examples weren’t even True Believers, just lobotomised sheeples.

314023 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Bill h, replying to HelenaHancart, #1085 of 2079 🔗

I think always worth slipping in the odd killer fact.

A shot to nothing, or hit and hope, as they say in snooker 🙂

313144 Sir Patrick Vaccine, 2, #1086 of 2079 🔗

Dear LD
Matt Hancock Supports the Great Reset | Weekend Podcast #8

The Podcast of the Lotus Eaters

313150 wendyk, 13, #1087 of 2079 🔗

Gaslighting by government is my interpretation of this endless, mindless round of restriction/release/restriction/release…. ad nauseam.

“Political gaslighting An article in a forthcoming issue of Buffalo Law Review states that political gaslighting occurs when a political figure or group uses lies, denials, or manipulates information to control people.
Examples include downplaying or hiding things their administration has done wrong, discrediting political opponents based on mental instability, or using controversy to divert attention from important events.”

313185 Barney McGrew, replying to Barney McGrew, 24, #1088 of 2079 🔗

This last couple of weeks has produced an argument that you can put to your most Covid-credulous friends and relatives. It is now undeniable that there is no logical way out of this situation:
(a) The PCR test produces false positives. This is a known fact that even the most credulous person cannot deny. It may be 0.4% or it may be 10%, the exact figure doesn’t matter.
(b) The vaccine is not 100% ‘effective’. A popular claim seems to be ‘90%’, and that it can’t stop you getting Covid nor passing it on, and that no one knows how long it will stay ‘effective’ after you’ve had the jab.
(c) Lateral flow testing has been discredited because it’s not finding enough Covid.
(d) Not essential to the argument, but an additional twist is provided by the “mutant strain”.

Put those things together, and according to Sage logic it is simply impossible for the epidemic to end short of total lockdown for several weeks and a complete cessation of testing afterwards.

Before the vaccine was released, the public had in the backs of their minds that the vaccine was sufficient to end the pandemic; so arguments over false positives seemed academic. In this forum, in fact, I remember it being claimed that the government would stop testing once the vaccine arrived, therefore false positives wouldn’t matter.

Well now they do, because the vaccine is no longer being hailed as the end of the epidemic so we are still reliant on PCR testing to monitor the situation. It is unavoidable that false positives will appear to show an ever-present epidemic and that random or systematic variations in testing programmes will look like ‘spikes’ or surges.

This is cold logic , not the squishy worlds of ‘science’ or ethics that people can always twist to suit their own argument. Corner your relative (metaphorically via Zoom, if you must) and force them to tell you how we get out of this; how long it will last for; under what circumstances you will ever see each other again. I think the public need to be challenged with this argument.

313201 ▶▶ RickH, replying to Barney McGrew, 6, #1089 of 2079 🔗

Lateral flow testing has been discredited because it’s not finding enough Covid.”

When LFT actually shows a level of incidence that ties in best with other information. It’s the PCR that shouts ‘inaccuracy!’.

313221 ▶▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to RickH, 5, #1090 of 2079 🔗

It’s just a a tactic to ensure it continues. Discredit the LFT as inaccurate. It’s not no Covid, it’s the test. It’s like some weird flip on the sceptics argument against PCR. Selective bias.

The government are moving to LFT followed by PCR if positive.

313216 ▶▶ Stringfellow Hawke, replying to Barney McGrew, 1, #1091 of 2079 🔗

(b) The vaccine is not 100% ‘effective’. A popular claim seems to be ‘90%’..”

Note that the vaccine companies themselves are generally very careful to stay away from specifics now. Pfizer – in their vaccine document, admit it is an “investigational vaccine” (page 8). They have no idea if it reduces transmission, indeed they have little idea it will do anything; specifically they said it, “… may be able to induce population herd immunity to bring the pandemic under control.” (page 74). Unfortunately they also admit (same page), “A vaccine must be introduced before the peak of reported cases to have a significant impact on the pandemic course.”

Note also the apparent ‘big 3’ [Pfizer, Moderna, AstraZeneca] “ do not require that their vaccine prevent serious disease” only that it reduce moderate or mild symptoms. “These vaccine trials are testing to prevent common cold symptoms…”

313329 ▶▶▶ John P, replying to Stringfellow Hawke, 3, #1092 of 2079 🔗



(If they work).

And if they try to tell you otherwise they are lying.

313219 ▶▶ Julian, replying to Barney McGrew, 2, #1093 of 2079 🔗

All good points. I’ve been doing this since March. They just mumble about vaccines. We’ve seen people are pretty slow on the uptake and easily fooled. If it turns out the vaccine doesn’t make it all go away, we will find out the true limits of the gullibility.

313194 Achilles, replying to Achilles, 25, #1094 of 2079 🔗

Funny how the Tier 4 zone encompasses London and it’s entire surroundings, the M25, half of the M4 corridor to the West, and the Channel ports. It’s almost like it has been specifically designed as a general strategy to stop travel rather than a response to specific case rates, new strains and hospital pressures.

313200 ▶▶ RickH, replying to Achilles, 6, #1095 of 2079 🔗

Also funny how London, courtesy convenient PCR findings, suddenly and conveniently moves from low incidence to panic stations!

313204 ▶▶ John Smith, replying to Achilles, 13, #1096 of 2079 🔗

Vital infrastructure being locked down ahead of an as yet unspecified global event.

313234 ▶▶▶ Sarigan, replying to John Smith, 9, #1097 of 2079 🔗

I hope they got on with and announce it soon. I would rather alien invasion, zombie apocalypse or all out war than this hotel California.

313967 ▶▶▶▶ Jo Dominich, replying to Sarigan, #1098 of 2079 🔗

I’m seriously thinking of writing to President Putin asking him to come over and take over our Govt!

313214 ▶▶ Julian, replying to Achilles, 14, #1099 of 2079 🔗

Where I live we’ve gone from Tier 2 to 4 in the space of a few days. I think it’s a huge mistake – more and more people are going to see through it now. If they had been consistent from the start, there would be many fewer sceptics. They may be following orders from some grey men somewhere but they are doing of good job of looking like they are just pinning the tail on the donkey.

313281 ▶▶▶ A. Contrarian, replying to Julian, 3, #1100 of 2079 🔗

Me too. Friday – Tier 2. Saturday – Tier 3. Today – Tier 4.

It’s insane.

313217 ▶▶ Cranmer, replying to Achilles, 1, #1101 of 2079 🔗

Definitely a connection. It does not include Felixstowe, one of Britain’s biggest ports, but that is largely served by rail rather than road so perhaps that is why.

313233 ▶▶ George L, replying to Achilles, 3, #1102 of 2079 🔗

Well spotted Achilles.. undoubtedly planned that way for maximum effect!

313242 ▶▶ Luckyharry69, replying to Achilles, 5, #1103 of 2079 🔗

check out a BBC article on their website from a few months ago…”How we WILL all be living in 2025″….might give you some clues.Not how we might be living but categorically how we WILL be living…its scary shit……….its the zoning off of Urban Areas to restrict travel/petrol cars etc…hence we are being told to stay home/work from home/cycle etc….Johnson’s NEW GREEN DEAL…this is all planned and has been for decades.

313731 ▶▶▶ Just Ice, replying to Luckyharry69, #1104 of 2079 🔗

That’s what they want you to believe- they’ve actually had to do it this year under pressure because Flat Earthers were about to expose the globalist conspiracy

313511 ▶▶ Iansn, replying to Achilles, 1, #1105 of 2079 🔗

or clear the way for lorries when the inevitable happens and we leave without a deal. What do you reckon the chances of that being a coincidence? If that comes out as the real reason, these cunts are fucking toast

313925 ▶▶ Sue, replying to Achilles, #1106 of 2079 🔗

and portsmouth in tier 4 – weird that!

313962 ▶▶ Jo Dominich, replying to Achilles, #1107 of 2079 🔗

Expect that No Deal Brexit announcement imminently.

313212 Paul Regan, replying to Paul Regan, 2, #1108 of 2079 🔗

Thank God for Lockdown Sceptics! Does anybody forward these daily briefings to all MP’s?

313262 ▶▶ Julian, replying to Paul Regan, 1, #1109 of 2079 🔗

A lot of us have written to MPs, generally without much response, but I feel it keeps the pressure up

They tend to have short attention span, limited time and respond better to personalised, brief messages in my experience

But the arguments and links you find here ATL and BTL are often useful

313345 ▶▶▶ Bella Donna, replying to Julian, 1, #1110 of 2079 🔗

The only real response I had from my MP was when I emailed her through a third party like ‘They work for you’ or something similar, because they then chase it up to see if the MP had responded!

313223 Julian, #1111 of 2079 🔗

I hope that’s a sign you are getting the class of customer you deserve

313229 Telpin, replying to Telpin, 34, #1112 of 2079 🔗

The threat from Grant Schapps that there would be extra transport police at London stations stopping ‘non essential’ journeys was a complete lie. Not a single police officer at Paddington today. But the fear effect did the trick – the whole station was eerily deserted- and on the weekend before Christmas. It’s criminal how this Government is scaring people into submission. I never, ever thought that I would live to see this country under the authoritarian boot of the government. My grandparents, whose brothers fought in the Second World War would turn in their graves. How low we’ve fallen – in less than 12 months.

313245 ▶▶ Country Mumkin, replying to Telpin, 3, #1113 of 2079 🔗

Matt Hancock in I think the Ridge interview, that police were there to uphold the law. he stopped short of saying police would stop people getting on the train though.

313350 ▶▶▶ Ewan Duffy, replying to Country Mumkin, #1114 of 2079 🔗

Did he say which law 😉

313373 ▶▶▶▶ Country Mumkin, replying to Ewan Duffy, #1115 of 2079 🔗

He may have done, separate to just saying “the law”. I’ve forgotten I’m afraid.

313275 ▶▶ Liz F, replying to Telpin, 5, #1116 of 2079 🔗

And all based on lies, as the “new” mutation has been around since at least September and is no more dangerous than the regular virus. It’s disgusting how people are being manipulated by the nazis in Westminster.

313297 ▶▶▶ annie, replying to Liz F, 6, #1117 of 2079 🔗

Why do they hate us so much? Or is it pure, unadulterated sadism? With Dungford it certainly is, but Dungford is criminally insane, which at least accounts for it.

313341 ▶▶▶▶ Bella Donna, replying to annie, 1, #1118 of 2079 🔗

They hated the fact we could vote them out as well as in. They resented the power of the vote.

313438 ▶▶▶▶ Liz F, replying to annie, 4, #1119 of 2079 🔗

I think they despise us. Not half as much as I despise them right now.

313309 ▶▶ zacaway, replying to Telpin, 6, #1120 of 2079 🔗

Funny that – I was also at Paddington this morning! Correct – it was deserted except for a few sceptics. No mask for me, and no enforcement visible.

313314 ▶▶ Richym99, replying to Telpin, 6, #1121 of 2079 🔗

Haven’t you figured out yet that the modern method of policing is simply to tell the press that they are going to do something, so that they have to do nothing. In common with the scientists and the government, the police are employing the same tactics of fear to make people comply, rather than actually doing the job themselves.

Saves manpower you see.

313231 Mr Dee, replying to Mr Dee, 19, #1122 of 2079 🔗

Petrol Station. Driver gets out of van. Woman in passenger seat proceeds to sterilize steering wheel with wet wipes as driver fills van with petrol. Mr Dee attempts to make sense of it all, and fails.

313238 ▶▶ Dan Clarke, replying to Mr Dee, 5, #1123 of 2079 🔗

Amusing though isint it.

313322 ▶▶▶ John P, replying to Dan Clarke, 2, #1124 of 2079 🔗

Not exactly.

313464 ▶▶▶ dhid, replying to Dan Clarke, 4, #1125 of 2079 🔗

Amusing for a moment, then you realise with horror they are probably allowed to use a knife and fork and, sadly, vote. Then it’s a bit depressing.

313240 ▶▶ Fingerache Philip., replying to Mr Dee, 17, #1126 of 2079 🔗

One of my neighbours put his face nappy on to put rubbish in his bin.

313256 ▶▶▶ Liam, replying to Fingerache Philip., 7, #1127 of 2079 🔗

Jesus Christ almighty.

313324 ▶▶▶▶ John P, replying to Liam, 2, #1128 of 2079 🔗

No, not him.

313288 ▶▶▶ Old Bill, replying to Fingerache Philip., 5, #1129 of 2079 🔗

I have witnessed that too. Not a neighbour, but a fully masked up 20 something putting the bins out for collection.

313336 ▶▶▶ Bella Donna, replying to Fingerache Philip., #1130 of 2079 🔗

🤣 🤣

313469 ▶▶▶ dhid, replying to Fingerache Philip., 2, #1131 of 2079 🔗

With any luck the lack of oxygen might make him become confused and he’ll swap it for a used one from the bin.

313595 ▶▶ Ben, replying to Mr Dee, #1132 of 2079 🔗

Simpleton sheeple in passenger seat

313260 ▶▶ Tenchy, replying to A. Contrarian, 2, #1134 of 2079 🔗

How about a windfall tax on Amazon and the rest of them?

313293 ▶▶▶ annie, replying to Tenchy, 8, #1135 of 2079 🔗

Don’t knock Amazon. When Dungford forbids shops to sell me a book, a sweater or even a Christmas card, and the craven shop goons obey, Amazon and eBay come to my rescue and I am not treated like diseased garbage and I don’t see a single face knicker.They can dodge all the tax they lilpke as far as I’m concerned.

313320 ▶▶▶▶ John P, replying to annie, #1136 of 2079 🔗

And two of Peter Hitchens’ books are only available on Amazon.

313334 ▶▶▶▶ Bella Donna, replying to annie, 2, #1137 of 2079 🔗

I know Amazon is perceived as predatory but they have provided the goods we needed unlike the local shops, and being a Prime customer, many articles are next day delivery.

313498 ▶▶▶▶ Ben, replying to annie, 2, #1138 of 2079 🔗

This is the plan. To destroy the high street and move retail online. Amazon pays no tax.

313982 ▶▶▶▶▶ Bill h, replying to Ben, #1139 of 2079 🔗


It’s a slippery slope and the jaws of Amazon will eat us up….

313459 ▶▶▶ dhid, replying to Tenchy, #1140 of 2079 🔗

“How about a windfall tax on Amazon and the rest of them?”

Might be an idea when we get back to “normal” but, sadly for some, that is the only way left to buy anything. I have tried to avoid Amazon for several years now because of the effect they have on smaller retailers, including those online.

I think when many see later all the dead and empty high streets, what you suggest may become quite a strong feeling, or, like someone before them they will say “Oh dear what a pity – never mind!”

We are in strange times.

313987 ▶▶▶▶ Bill h, replying to dhid, #1141 of 2079 🔗

Tax on online deliveries should be a no brainer.

But is not.

Why ?

313956 ▶▶▶ Jo Dominich, replying to Tenchy, #1142 of 2079 🔗

Hey, now that would be too sensible wouldn’t it? They obviously are huge Tory Party donors. Sunak has already said he will not be introducing a one off wealth tax. Tells you everything you need to know.

313247 Dan Clarke, replying to Dan Clarke, 6, #1143 of 2079 🔗

Its amazing how people are accepting that because you are in tier 2 you can sit inside, out of the cold and because you are in tier 3 you get to sit outside in the cold

313253 ▶▶ Fingerache Philip., replying to Dan Clarke, 2, #1144 of 2079 🔗

Makes as much sense as anything else at the moment.

313430 ▶▶ dhid, replying to Dan Clarke, #1145 of 2079 🔗

Does that logic not suggest those in T4 should go back in? Could claim confusion.

313249 Fingerache Philip., replying to Fingerache Philip., 4, #1146 of 2079 🔗

What is it with Sainsburys when the tannoy constantly urges us to shop alone and also to go shopping on the 21st and 22nd of December?

313251 ▶▶ Tenchy, replying to Fingerache Philip., 20, #1147 of 2079 🔗

They are managed by virtue-signalling wankers.

313255 ▶▶▶ Fingerache Philip., replying to Tenchy, 5, #1148 of 2079 🔗

You know Tenchy, you don’t have to be so subtle.

313386 ▶▶▶▶ Basileus, replying to Fingerache Philip., 1, #1149 of 2079 🔗

Yes, we can take a hint.

313254 ▶▶ Luckyharry69, replying to Fingerache Philip., 4, #1150 of 2079 🔗

They are on my Boycott list……unless I am desperate for petrol at some point………

313259 ▶▶▶ Fingerache Philip., replying to Luckyharry69, #1151 of 2079 🔗

Any idea what the other big supermarkets are like?

313261 ▶▶▶▶ Luckyharry69, replying to Fingerache Philip., 2, #1152 of 2079 🔗

not really no….I only picked up on Sainsburys telling all their staff they are essentially racists…….

313269 ▶▶▶▶ Tenchy, replying to Fingerache Philip., 4, #1153 of 2079 🔗

Morrisons is pretty much normal now, apart from separate entry and exit doors; a measure which serves no useful purpose whatsoever.

313327 ▶▶▶▶▶ Bella Donna, replying to Tenchy, 1, #1154 of 2079 🔗

Unfortunately we haven’t got one in our town, they did apply to open up here, but it was blocked, probably by either Waitrose, Tescos or Sainsburys.

313432 ▶▶▶▶ Lockdown_Lunacy, replying to Fingerache Philip., 1, #1155 of 2079 🔗

My local Tesco has generally been OK, however they recently put some hand sanitizer uber-enthusiast at the door so now I have to ignore him on the way in.

313605 ▶▶▶▶ Iansn, replying to Fingerache Philip., #1156 of 2079 🔗

lidl and aldi round my area never bother about anything, havent been in sainsburys for ages, had the doorman at Asda shouting at me excuse me excuse me several times as I walked in then nothing, I gave him the hard stare as I left, the same to the PCSO (5 stone dripping wet) standing next to him

313258 ▶▶ Dan Clarke, replying to Fingerache Philip., 1, #1157 of 2079 🔗

They need to do click and collect, sod the shops, sorry shop assistants they do a great job but its not mentally worth it now.

313326 ▶▶ Bella Donna, replying to Fingerache Philip., #1158 of 2079 🔗

This week instead of click and collecting we will be shopping in Tescos its not something we are looking forward to.

313337 ▶▶ Recusant, replying to Fingerache Philip., 2, #1159 of 2079 🔗

Sainsurys are total wankers who feel that the customer is always wrong.

313382 ▶▶ Edward, replying to Fingerache Philip., 1, #1160 of 2079 🔗

I don’t have any problems with Sainsbury’s – I think a lot depends on how local management interpret things though I presume they all get the same instructions from head office. But Lidl are the best in my experience.

313398 ▶▶▶ Jaguarpig, replying to Edward, 1, #1161 of 2079 🔗

Wankers pccunts will never get a penny out of me again, first wanker I will ram raid when it kicks off

313252 Londo Mollari, replying to Londo Mollari, 1, #1162 of 2079 🔗
313335 ▶▶ Recusant, replying to Londo Mollari, 5, #1163 of 2079 🔗

I don’t think there were any collaborators, turns out that everyone was in the Resistance.

313401 ▶▶ Ben, replying to Londo Mollari, 1, #1164 of 2079 🔗

What will they do with Macron?

313594 ▶▶▶ Iansn, replying to Ben, #1165 of 2079 🔗

concrete boots and spend a long time holding him over the Seine, then splash Macron hasgon

313257 Liz F, replying to Liz F, 13, #1166 of 2079 🔗

If the virus is so contagious, especially the new Phooey mutant ninja turtle strain, why are team sports like football and rugby still being allowed? Is it a ploy to keep people indoors, watching sport on telly?

313264 ▶▶ Jonathan Palmer, replying to Liz F, 10, #1167 of 2079 🔗

Bread and Circuses

313434 ▶▶▶ FenTyger, replying to Jonathan Palmer, 1, #1168 of 2079 🔗

What happened when the harvest failed?

313265 ▶▶ DRW, replying to Liz F, 16, #1169 of 2079 🔗

So contagious it took three months to emerge. And yet the masses keep swallowing this shite.

313271 ▶▶▶ Luckyharry69, replying to DRW, 2, #1170 of 2079 🔗

Mike Parry on TalkRadio just…saying that that is a ridiculous ‘conspiracy theory’ and Hancock has been waiting for the ‘evidence’?………..

313952 ▶▶▶▶ Jo Dominich, replying to Luckyharry69, #1171 of 2079 🔗

Well, I’m thinking Wancock shouldn’t have done any of this if he didn’t have the evidence. WHO are pretty dismissive of it. What happens when the evidence err, isn’t produced?

313266 ▶▶ Luckyharry69, replying to Liz F, 16, #1172 of 2079 🔗

Where do millions of white males love to congregate on a saturday?….have you ever been to Elland Road?…there is no way Leeds United fans would put up with the ‘taking the knee’ nonsense.This is ALL planned to destroy our way of living………

313272 ▶▶ Ken Turner, replying to Liz F, 7, #1173 of 2079 🔗

And why are they not closing Heathrow, Gatwick or the Channel tunnel to all but essential freight traffic – they all terminate in a tier 4 area

313279 ▶▶ Ben, replying to Liz F, 10, #1174 of 2079 🔗

Funny how rugby players can stick their heads in each other’s crotches, but off the pitch they have to socially distance

313282 ▶▶▶ Luckyharry69, replying to Ben, 8, #1175 of 2079 🔗

yes…they grapple/sweat/fall over/shake hands etc…then ten minutes later they have masks on and self distance!!!!!…its a F@@KING JOKE

How many sportspeople have DIED from this plague?
How many Police?
How many Politicians/Civil Servants?

313364 ▶▶▶▶ Fiona Walker, replying to Luckyharry69, 3, #1176 of 2079 🔗

Cristiano Renaldo has had it four times apparently and only knew due to elite sport testing 😂 .

313558 ▶▶▶▶▶ dhid, replying to Fiona Walker, 2, #1177 of 2079 🔗

Yes but what about Covid…Oh sorry, that’s what you meant!


313290 ▶▶▶ Old Bill, replying to Ben, 1, #1178 of 2079 🔗

Yes, but if you were a covid would you live in a rugby players crotch?

313302 ▶▶▶ Wolver, replying to Ben, 4, #1179 of 2079 🔗

I was watching Scotland vs England a few weeks back and the Scottish 15 were standing socially distanced for the national anthem… English players with their arms round each other. Five minutes later their all on top of each other in a ruck or a scrum. Don’t think they can shake hands at the end either..

313312 ▶▶ Bella Donna, replying to Liz F, 2, #1180 of 2079 🔗

And the planes continue to fly and the rubber dinghies continue to land. What lethal virus?

313319 ▶▶▶ Wolver, replying to Bella Donna, 2, #1181 of 2079 🔗

They’re all masked up on the dinghies, so nothing to worry about there.

313267 Ken Turner, replying to Ken Turner, 1, #1182 of 2079 🔗

Hopefully someone that understands the current “advice” can help.
I’m moving to a tier 3 area and basically live there but haven’t updated my documentation (e.g. car etc) as was planning a splurge to update all during Christmas. My old property is now in a tier4 area and not yet up for sale as still needs a few things doing.
Major mistake was not updating GP – I now have a repeat prescription awaiting collection which originally I would have done via a quick trip (moving house) to pick up a few things and get a quote for some work. Move to Tier 4 might mess this up – although as far as I can see the same exclusions apply (Moving house/medical need) but am a little worried the police might be a little aggressive in their policing as directed by Handcock etc. Main journey is M25/M1

Any suggestions? Plan to see if pharmacy can redo the prescription to a local one up here otherwise it looks like a day trip and hope don’t get stopped leaving.

Property in T4 has no heating/hot water so not realistic to stay there

313292 ▶▶ Lockdown_Lunacy, replying to Ken Turner, 10, #1183 of 2079 🔗

You just have to go where you want to go. I just returned from tier 4 (plague zone).

313431 ▶▶▶ FenTyger, replying to Lockdown_Lunacy, 2, #1184 of 2079 🔗

Tiers? Moved from two to four in six days. Rate per 100k resident population: 104 which is very low. Make sense to anyone? Me neither. Ignoring it as much as possible.

313449 ▶▶▶▶ Lockdown_Lunacy, replying to FenTyger, 2, #1185 of 2079 🔗

Exactly, same here. I usually have a brief glance at the regulations so I know my (limited) “rights” if some idiot tries to stop me, but I don’t even intend to read these latest regulations.

Just can’t be bothered. Just don’t care.

313305 ▶▶ Julian, replying to Ken Turner, 13, #1186 of 2079 🔗

Not that you need a reason to move around your own country minding your own business, and no-one would know, but picking up medical supplies is a valid reason to travel

313328 ▶▶ Sarigan, replying to Ken Turner, 3, #1187 of 2079 🔗

Or pharmacy2u online if all else fails. Free postage and die through your GP.

313331 ▶▶▶ Sarigan, replying to Sarigan, 1, #1188 of 2079 🔗

*done through your GP. Edit wouldn’t work!!

313504 ▶▶ PoshPanic, replying to Ken Turner, 2, #1189 of 2079 🔗

The only mistake you’ve made is thinking there is anyone in the world who knows how the “rules” apply to your situation. Just do what you want, is my advice.

313277 Ben, replying to Ben, 14, #1190 of 2079 🔗

Keep me locked down forever. I will never surrender to Bill Gates, tech or Pharma shareholders

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313287 ▶▶ Luckyharry69, replying to Ben, 8, #1191 of 2079 🔗

It will be ‘NO JAB NO PAY’ soon….just like in Australia……….

313304 ▶▶▶ Hieronimusb, replying to Luckyharry69, 5, #1192 of 2079 🔗

No jab no job. Refuseniks can be removed from the unemployment figures, can’t imagine why they’d do that.

313316 ▶▶▶▶ John P, replying to Hieronimusb, 5, #1193 of 2079 🔗

I’m self employed. No jab no sweat.

313330 ▶▶▶▶▶ Hieronimusb, replying to John P, 5, #1194 of 2079 🔗

Good for you, 40+ years self employed me, wouldn’t have (had) it any other way.

313395 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Ben, replying to Hieronimusb, 3, #1195 of 2079 🔗

Good to see so much solidarity

313311 ▶▶▶ Suzyv, replying to Luckyharry69, 14, #1196 of 2079 🔗

There is no proof that this vaccine is safe long term indeed there is growing evidence that it may not be for some. There have also already been some adverse reactions. An employer cannot insist on an employee doing something that may cause harm to them. Indeed there is a duty of care by the employer. So refusing a vaccine that may cause harm (and noone con confirm to the contrary) is not a reason for dismissal and hence anyone who is sacked for refusing should be looking to see if they have a claim for unfair dismissal.. Any employer with any sense should know this, but there doesn’t seem to be much sense about at the moment.

313369 ▶▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to Suzyv, 8, #1197 of 2079 🔗

There’s no proof that it’s safe short term either!

313715 ▶▶▶▶ Just Ice, replying to Suzyv, #1198 of 2079 🔗

I’m claiming exemption on the grounds of a nocebo effect- I’ve been so terrified by everything I’ve read that I’ll imagine the worst side effects and probably get them .. could work and is possonly true

313365 ▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to Luckyharry69, 2, #1199 of 2079 🔗

No jab, no pay only refers to those on benefits in Australia. It doesn’t apply to those with jobs.

313380 ▶▶▶▶ ianric, replying to JohnB, 6, #1200 of 2079 🔗

The argument that David Icke used that lockdowns are designed to take away people’s l ivelihoods and the intention is create a universal basic income. When you depend on the government for your income and jobs and running a businesses are not available, the government has control over you. Icke used the example in Australia of your benefits being dependant on taking a jab as an example of this.

313393 ▶▶▶▶ Ben, replying to JohnB, 5, #1201 of 2079 🔗

They’re still human beings as far as I’m aware

314358 ▶▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to JohnB, #1202 of 2079 🔗

Please to define yourself a new label, JB.

313391 ▶▶▶ Ben, replying to Luckyharry69, 4, #1203 of 2079 🔗

In which case I shall starve to death

313310 ▶▶ Bella Donna, replying to Ben, 4, #1204 of 2079 🔗

FOAD Hancock!

313389 ▶▶ Jaguarpig, replying to Ben, -5, #1205 of 2079 🔗

Fucking a pox on you cunt

313441 ▶▶ Richard O, replying to Ben, 3, #1206 of 2079 🔗

This means that the whole country will be under Tier 4 restrictions very soon, and that this will be in place for years.

313495 ▶▶▶ Ben, replying to Richard O, 1, #1207 of 2079 🔗

This assumes a future of QR codes and immunity passports equals freedom

313507 ▶▶ PoshPanic, replying to Ben, #1208 of 2079 🔗

Does this mean he’ll have to work all over Christmas to sort this all out? Nah, didn’t think so.

313280 OKUK, replying to OKUK, 10, #1209 of 2079 🔗

Are we ruled by the Gang of Four? I refer to Xi, Gates, Soros and Schwab. You could call them the XGSS. The spiders web always seems to come back to these four spiders.

313315 ▶▶ John P, replying to OKUK, 2, #1210 of 2079 🔗

Boris Johnson is Prime Minister.

He’s in charge of the UK. No-one else.

And you can speak for yourself, I am ruled by no-one.

313347 ▶▶▶ Ewan Duffy, replying to John P, 3, #1211 of 2079 🔗

John – there is a Monty Python sketch about chartered accountants. You should watch it.

313376 ▶▶▶▶ Luckyharry69, replying to Ewan Duffy, 1, #1212 of 2079 🔗


313385 ▶▶▶ Jaguarpig, replying to John P, 1, #1213 of 2079 🔗

He’s a fat useless over privileged lazy cunt

313291 Tenchy, replying to Tenchy, 2, #1214 of 2079 🔗

From The Telegraph coronavirus live feed (free).


Police won’t be ‘interrogating’ travellers, former BTP head says

A member of the British Trasport Police patrols the main concourse at Waterloo Station in London Credit: Niklas HALLE’N / AFP

The former head of the British Transport Police, Andy Trotter, has said he doesn’t expect officers will be “interrogating” people travelling, despite the new Tier 4 rules.

“If you think of how many people were travelling last night through St Pancras, Euston, Leeds, and Kings Cross, it will be impossible for them to go checking everybody scrambling onto those trains is the last thing they would possibly do,” he told LBC Radio.

“It’s about helping people through this, it’s about dealing with very serious breaches of the law, but it’s not about, in my opinion, it’s not about trying to interrogate people about the purpose of their journey and where they’re going”.

He added that BTP officers will be dealing with pressures in transport hubs, people protesting, and “enforcement will be the last thing they want to do”.

“I certainly don’t see their primary role today as putting in road checks, or putting in checks stations, to say where are you going, I think the sheer practicalities of that, even if they wanted to, would defeat them in all of this,” he said.

Further down the feed:
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British Transport Police speak to people at Waterloo Station this morning after London entered Tier 4

313308 ▶▶ davews, replying to Tenchy, 7, #1215 of 2079 🔗

The chap they are talking to looks very much like an SWR guard, guess he has a valid reason to travel.

313344 ▶▶▶ crimsonpirate, replying to davews, 3, #1216 of 2079 🔗

the policeman doesn’t look very convinced by this cunning disguise

313353 ▶▶▶▶ stefarm, replying to crimsonpirate, 1, #1217 of 2079 🔗

Maybe he is a cunning linguist

313550 ▶▶ Basics, replying to Tenchy, 1, #1218 of 2079 🔗

Rare shot of police without hands in pockets and/or hands tucked in arm-holes of vest.

313294 Sir Patrick Vaccine, replying to Sir Patrick Vaccine, 7, #1219 of 2079 🔗

Met Police Fed Chairman States Tier 4 Rules Are Nonsense & They Won’t Be knocking Doors To Check

313378 ▶▶ Ben, replying to Sir Patrick Vaccine, 1, #1220 of 2079 🔗

One policeman I respect

313383 ▶▶ Jaguarpig, replying to Sir Patrick Vaccine, 4, #1221 of 2079 🔗

CuntDick would love to be knocking on xmas doors, saves them going to the thieving gypsies bastards squat or those lovely young black muggers salt of the earth estates.

313781 ▶▶ A. Contrarian, replying to Sir Patrick Vaccine, #1222 of 2079 🔗

Good to know, although I’m sure I’ve seen comments from some other Met Police bod that they will be ENFORCING and make no apologies for the fact.

Tier 4 rules are basically lockdown rules though – so why are the police suddenly claiming that they are nonsense? I thought the Met loved that kind of power-tripping overzealous policing?

313937 ▶▶▶ Jo Dominich, replying to A. Contrarian, #1223 of 2079 🔗

I think its, yes, once again, Greater Manchester Police who stated they would be enforcimg them.

313296 Ceci, replying to Ceci, 11, #1224 of 2079 🔗

Well what a coincidence!!!

The Pfizer ‘vaccine ‘ is up for approval by the EU drug regulator Monday

What if they say it is not safe?

What government will continue with it after such judgement?

Our secret services will have been listening in on the deliberations and the pig dictator will already know what they are going to say

Good thing then that the handy cock could announce that coming out of tier 4 could only occur once the vaccine is rolled out

The South East being in a never ending tier 4 will be used to scotch the brexit thing

As Tony Hancock once opined ‘All very clever innit’

313339 ▶▶ Ceci, replying to Ceci, 2, #1225 of 2079 🔗
313342 ▶▶▶ Ceci, replying to Ceci, 2, #1226 of 2079 🔗

When did they announce they were giving a briefing on 21st

Yes you guessed, Friday 18th

313377 ▶▶ Ben, replying to Ceci, 4, #1227 of 2079 🔗

Global Pharma or Big Pharma has more money than the EU. Money talks. The EU will approve it

313426 ▶▶▶ Ceci, replying to Ben, #1228 of 2079 🔗

Why is the share price dropping then?

313505 ▶▶▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to Ceci, #1229 of 2079 🔗

The big money was in before approval.

313299 Tenchy, replying to Tenchy, 8, #1230 of 2079 🔗

Bloody liars or what?

When asked if the new variant was in Wales as well as the London and parts of the south east and east of England, Mr Gething said: “I’m afraid the new variant is here in Wales as well.”

313317 ▶▶ Norman, replying to Tenchy, 7, #1231 of 2079 🔗

But apparently not in Hfds. or Shrops., i.e. in between these two regions.

313919 ▶▶ Jo Dominich, replying to Tenchy, #1232 of 2079 🔗

Did Gething provide any proof? Or is evidence now a dirty word?

313306 Achilles, replying to Achilles, 41, #1233 of 2079 🔗

Boris: I’m worried that people don’t want to take the vaccine.
Matt: It’s worse than that, if cases don’t rise after the Christmas loosening even more won’t see the need to have it.
Boris: What can we do?
Matt: We’ll have to cancel Christmas.
Boris: I can’t do that I said it would be inhuman.
Matt: Then we need something new and scary to justify your change of heart.
Boris: Like what?
Matt: Well I’ve heard the virus is constantly mutating so we could just say there’s a new more dangerous strain.
Boris: But can we prove that it’s more dangerous?
Matt: It might be tricky…so why don’t we just say it spreads a lot quicker. They won’t be able to prove or disprove that and it’s still scary.
Boris: Do you think they’ll accept that?
Matt: Pretty sure we’ll be OK (wink).
(They high 5)

313502 ▶▶ theanalyst, replying to Achilles, 1, #1234 of 2079 🔗

Thanks – that was very good!

313307 Old Bill, replying to Old Bill, #1235 of 2079 🔗

You have lost me there, it is a bit late to trap n trace Eric Arthur if that is who you refer to.

313325 ▶▶ Old Bill, replying to Old Bill, #1236 of 2079 🔗

Doh! Forget it.
An elderly male attempting to multi-task – it could only end badly.

313313 Liam, replying to Liam, 13, #1237 of 2079 🔗

I see the actress Rosalind Knight has died at the horrifically young age of 87. Has the Rona no mercy in its cunning, virusy heart?

313321 ▶▶ Fingerache Philip., replying to Liam, 1, #1238 of 2079 🔗

Covid related?

313348 ▶▶▶ Liam, replying to Fingerache Philip., 9, #1239 of 2079 🔗

Honestly don’t know, but nobody just gets very old and dies any more apparently.

313332 Bruce Reynolds, replying to Bruce Reynolds, 80, #1240 of 2079 🔗

Why the Fuck are some people asking advice if they can travel between this tier and that tier my advice go where the Fuck you want it’s your life so live it.

313338 ▶▶ Luckyharry69, replying to Bruce Reynolds, 9, #1241 of 2079 🔗

agreed……who is going to know or try and stop you?…….

313368 ▶▶▶ Jaguarpig, replying to Luckyharry69, 5, #1242 of 2079 🔗

A d if the Stasi cunt try kill them

313346 ▶▶ Lockdown_Lunacy, replying to Bruce Reynolds, 5, #1243 of 2079 🔗

Yes, my sentiments exactly.

313349 ▶▶ common conservative, replying to Bruce Reynolds, 5, #1244 of 2079 🔗

Exactly, mate! Well said.

313357 ▶▶ James007, replying to Bruce Reynolds, 8, #1245 of 2079 🔗

We all have to carry on as best as we can. As far is is possible, we must not change our plans and we must resist these measures.

313916 ▶▶▶ Jo Dominich, replying to James007, 3, #1246 of 2079 🔗

This should be the springboard for a mass campaign of civil disobedience. Now is the time to step up tot he mark and, as is said here, just do it, don’t ask questions.

313363 ▶▶ Jaguarpig, replying to Bruce Reynolds, 4, #1247 of 2079 🔗

Spot on

313477 ▶▶ Tom Blackburn, replying to Bruce Reynolds, 6, #1248 of 2079 🔗

Probably new to the site.

‘One of us. One of us….’

313333 John P, replying to John P, 32, #1249 of 2079 🔗

Sorry, having to do this again. Until some of you get the message.

Apologies to the regular posters here, or to the ignorant, but I am going to post this again, as I feel that it is important for people to at least get to grips with what a vaccine is.

Now, rather than trying to direct the confused to a website I thought I would get out my old Chambers 21st Century Dictionary (1996 edition) in order to find a working definition of what a vaccine is (or is supposed to be). Don’t believe me? Get your own dictionary out and check it yourself!

I quote, page 1567:

“vaccine. noun. 1 (medicine) A preparation containing killed or weakened (attenuated) bacteria or viruses, or serum containing specific antibodies, used in vaccination to confer temporary or permanent immunity to a bacterial or viral disease by stimulating the body to produce antibodies to a specific bacterium or virus.”


Simple. Vaccines have nothing to do with reducing symptoms. That’s the job of drugs. Page 404:

“drug. noun. 1 any chemical substance which, when taken into the body or applied externally, has a specific effect on it’s functioning”

Note the difference between a vaccine and a drug. They are not the same thing.

And next time someone in the media, government, in big pharma or even on these threads tries to spin you any nonsense about vaccines reducing symptoms you will know what to say to them.

For example

“we don’t know if you can still spread the virus if you have had the vaccine” = “we don’t know if it works”

because if it works you will not be able to catch it in the first place. And if you can’t catch it, you can’t pass it on.

If you don’t even know what a vaccine is, how can you know when you are being lied to about them!

313374 ▶▶ Mayo, replying to John P, -35, #1250 of 2079 🔗

While it’s not possible at the moment to say for certain whether the vaccine does provide immunity the much lower number of individuals with symptoms in the vaccinated group suggests it is very likely that it does provide immunity.

It is true that the vaccine is still ‘experimental’ but there is high confidence that it will be both safe and very effective.

If you’re expecting or hoping that the vaccine(s) will fail you might be disappointed. I believe they will be far quicker and safer at producing herd immunity than natural infection.

313427 ▶▶▶ George L, replying to Mayo, 22, #1251 of 2079 🔗

77th on triple pay today are we ???

313612 ▶▶▶▶ Bugle, replying to George L, 4, #1252 of 2079 🔗

I think we should be flattered Mayo’s here, really. We’ve had visits from the wheedling one: “Please explain it to me…”, the amazingly rude one, picking fights over details. And now the plausible one, who takes the government’s data seriously, bless him. We must be a threat.

313690 ▶▶▶▶▶ Mayo, replying to Bugle, -3, #1253 of 2079 🔗

Government data is as reliable as much of the twaddle that comes from sceptic side. In any case, it isn’t just government data is it? Tim Spector’s Covid symptom study is showing that there has been a sharp reversal in the downward trend in the past week. Prof Spector has been an outspoken critic of the recent lockdown and Toby Young appeared to regard his study as the gold standard in a recent blog.

LS followers are trying to fight too many battles on too many fronts – and losing most of them. There is a good argument to be made against lockdown but it’s getting lost in the noise.

313831 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Lockdown_Lunacy, replying to Mayo, 2, #1254 of 2079 🔗

To me the most powerful and obvious argument against lockdowns is the clear and lasting damage caused by them.

Due to their effect on the economy, other health outcomes and the fundamental freedoms that I presumed were inalienable in a liberal democracy, they just aren’t a method I could ever support, regardless of efficacy.

313936 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Bill h, replying to Mayo, 1, #1255 of 2079 🔗

Fair point.

However Spectors mob are looking for flu-like symptoms.

A . Current covid hysteria.
B. Seasonal flu curve.

I don’t find it too surprising that there is an uptick.

Do you ?

313697 ▶▶▶▶ Mayo, replying to George L, -4, #1256 of 2079 🔗

Yeah – whatever. Suit yourself. You’re the one moaning about the situation – not me.

Start a proper, coherent argument AGAINST lockdown (there is one) – and repeat it again and again. It might just work.

Alternatively, carry on with the anti-vax, herd immunity, pandemic over clap-trap and continue to be dismissed as a crank.

313488 ▶▶▶ RickH, replying to Mayo, 4, #1257 of 2079 🔗

Natural infection is working well at the moment in creating immunity, given the low incidence of viral illness (perhaps 0.1% of the population at any given time) – as shown by the need to ramp up imaginary infections with PCR testing.

Why would we need a vaccine? (Apart for face saving/income assurance)

313666 ▶▶▶▶ Mayo, replying to RickH, -2, #1258 of 2079 🔗

” imaginary infections ”

Really? So the ZOE symptom app is “imaginary”? Cases presenting at hospitals is “imaginary”? And, of course the PHE positive tests are imaginary.

Some are imaginary – but not all. And if all sources show an increase – then they are increasing.

313909 ▶▶▶▶▶ Jo Dominich, replying to Mayo, 3, #1259 of 2079 🔗

You forget they have now rebranded the flu as Covid 19. I doubt very much if the increase in people presenting at hospitals is due to an increase in CV-19 but more to do with other illnesses and are, once again, being labelled as Covid admissions, especially if they caught it in hospital or were tested by the hospital.

It is a well established annual fact that respiratory infections increase at this time of year – look at the patterns over the past five years. It’s just that it’s all got swamped into the CV-19 propaganda, mass hysteria, fake news campaign.

However, as the NHS has stopped collecting critical admission figures in the past few months, it is very easy to attribute them to CV-19 isn’t it because they are no longer keeping the relevant data. It’s the biggest hoax this century.

313555 ▶▶▶ Iansn, replying to Mayo, 1, #1260 of 2079 🔗

Any articles or proof of your claims. Did you read the summary of the adverse incidents in the USA? Which is quicker, virus at a couple of hundred thousand people coming in contact per week, without or with symptoms or 800k doses for 400k elderly patients and health workers. There are already 2 million’ cases by PCR tests and an estimate 6 million plus infections before PCR became widespread. So please elaborate. And on the vaccine where does the ‘high confidence’ come from. Independent information or government and Pfizer sales info

313659 ▶▶▶▶ Mayo, replying to Iansn, -2, #1261 of 2079 🔗

There are already 2 million’ cases by PCR tests and an estimate 6 million plus infections before PCR became widespread. So please elaborate.

If you’re referring to herd immunity explain where do you get the ‘estimated’ 6 million plus infections from.

313912 ▶▶▶▶▶ Jo Dominich, replying to Mayo, 1, #1262 of 2079 🔗

Go and look at Government announcements, they’ll provide the information you want to verify.

313784 ▶▶▶ shorthand, replying to Mayo, 1, #1263 of 2079 🔗

Hey Mayo, I think you’ve just summarized the key issues for most people concerning the vaccine. ‘experimental’, ‘high confidence’ and ‘will be’. Substitute with ‘fully tested’ ‘Completely assured’ and ‘Is’ then we could be onto a winner…

313381 ▶▶ Tyneside Tigress, replying to John P, 4, #1264 of 2079 🔗

While you are quite right John, when you have the constant non-science from ‘scientists’ who should know better (Vallance, Whitty, Van-Tam), plus others such as Kate Bingham saying otherwise, it will be difficult for the public to believe ‘the dissenters’.

313848 ▶▶ SweetBabyCheeses, replying to John P, 1, #1265 of 2079 🔗

I absolutely agree with you, but they’re getting around this the same way they are with all the asymptomatic spreaders nonsense – that you somehow carry bits of virus in your nose/throat regardless and are constantly spewing it everywhere regardless.
It certainly does seem to be a very odd vaccine.

313351 crimsonpirate, 10, #1266 of 2079 🔗

Quite an achievement -effectively bankrupting Eurostar within 24 hours. On the upside the govt can provide state aid without any pesky EU interference

313352 cloud6, replying to cloud6, 23, #1267 of 2079 🔗

ancock say’s the virus is out of control…. the only one’s out of control are the lunatic politicians and people with Coviditus.

313367 ▶▶ crimsonpirate, replying to cloud6, 2, #1268 of 2079 🔗

out of control? I guess so when you create a super spreader event at St Pancras, Euston and Paddington. The folks over on the Lockdown Zealots website-imagining one exists-must be furious!

313354 Pebbles, replying to Pebbles, 10, #1269 of 2079 🔗

Apologies if someone posted this before, but did people see this:
CEO of Pfizer dumped vaccine shares on day of vaccine news – total coincidence of course and has NOTHING to do with insider trading and abuse of insider knowledge…and two weeks ago he admitted that there was no knowledge if the vaccine was actually going to spread to prevent the spread.
What an absolute FUCKWIT. Raked in millions with full knowledge of the tidal wave of problems coming with his fucking vaccine.



313390 ▶▶ Mayo, replying to Pebbles, -37, #1270 of 2079 🔗

The fact that the Pfizer CEO shares story is still an issue suggests anti-vaxxers are struggling to find anything negative about the vaccine.

The transmission issue will become clearer as the vaccine is rolled out. Just because Trials have been cut short and we don’t know everything with absolute certainty doesn’t mean that the vaccine is no safe and effective. It almost certainly is.

313403 ▶▶▶ George L, replying to Mayo, 11, #1271 of 2079 🔗

Where have you been hiding.. under a rock?

Pfizer themselves have described it as an ‘investigative’ vaccine. Maybe you’d like to investigate it for us.

If its like any other of the failed Corona vaccines that ‘ were ‘ tried on animals, they were a catastrophic failure. As soon as animals came into contact with the actual wild virus they became sick and died.

As I intimated above.. you first Mayo!

313541 ▶▶▶▶ Mayo, replying to George L, -5, #1272 of 2079 🔗

Pfizer themselves have described it as an ‘investigative’ vaccine.

I know. I acknowledge it is experimental in the sense that the Phase III trials are still ongoing but that doesn’t mean it’s unsafe.

A vaccine remains the only hope that the series of lockdowns will eventually end. Herd Immunity is still a long way off.

313670 ▶▶▶▶▶ DRW, replying to Mayo, 3, #1273 of 2079 🔗

Long term effects still entirely unknown. That should be enough for anyone with a brain to not have it.

313701 ▶▶▶▶▶ Pebbles, replying to Mayo, 3, #1274 of 2079 🔗

You are entitled to your views and your uptake of the vaccine, 100%.

I, and many others, refuse to believe faithfully in a vaccine handed down by the government with an unprecedented level of coercion.

A vaccine that has neither gone through third phase / animal testing or any longterm studies or for that matter has been tested on elderly people, people with compromised immune systems, et al. The trials are rigged and incomplete. Ask any former Big Pharma whistleblower, they will sing you a tune or two about the vaccine business.

Merck, Glaxo, Pfizer have been fined no less than $36 billion in the last few years alone for defrauding science, vaccine injuries, etc etc. Just because the BBC isn’t telling you about it, doesn’t mean it isn’t happening.

The idea that the vaccine will end the lockdowns is in itself ludicrous and a pisstake of democracy at the highest level. To hand people their civil liberties back on the basis of uptake of a vaccine is a dictatorship, especially since many of these people would never be affected by the virus in the first place, or for that matter, only mildly.

People need to know where their red line in the sand is.

313906 ▶▶▶▶▶ Bill h, replying to Mayo, 1, #1275 of 2079 🔗

Intrigued that you say herd immunity a long way off. Any evidence ?

Main point for me is that all cause mortality is pretty much in normal bounds for the time of year ( go back say 20 years, population corrected).

There is no signal. Nothing.

It’s over. (From a medical perspective ).

313404 ▶▶▶ Richard O, replying to Mayo, 6, #1276 of 2079 🔗

It really doesn’t matter what any of us think. The vaccine is safe and effective even if it isn’t. With a little coercion there will be 90% uptake, and the 10% who continue to refuse (of which I am one) will be physically eliminated from society.

313416 ▶▶▶▶ George L, replying to Richard O, 7, #1277 of 2079 🔗

Count me in that 10%. I’d rather die standing up than living on knees as a zombified slave.

313410 ▶▶▶ Ben, replying to Mayo, 8, #1278 of 2079 🔗

It’s 100% safe, which is why it’s indemnified. Have my dose if you like

313425 ▶▶▶ DRW, replying to Mayo, 8, #1279 of 2079 🔗

The side effects are already coming out, let alone the long term ones. There’s good reasons why proper development usually takes 5+ years.

313433 ▶▶▶ Jonathan Palmer, replying to Mayo, 6, #1280 of 2079 🔗

You can’t make that statement as no one can possibly know whether it is safe or not.They skipped Animal trials and basically having a big human trial.

313462 ▶▶▶ Two-Six, replying to Mayo, 5, #1281 of 2079 🔗

The vaccine being “almost certainly” safe just isn’t really good enough when it is being planned to be injected into millions of people with it in a very very short time frame.

Its not just not good enough, it’s insane. Nobody knows what the long term effects of this kind of vaccine are going to be.

You can have my two if you want.

313476 ▶▶▶ RickH, replying to Mayo, 15, #1282 of 2079 🔗

It almost certainly is”

That sounds like religious faith rather than science.

Acceptance of the vaccine as ‘safe’ implies that all previous testing protocols have been an unnecessary luxury – which, given the emergence of problems with other vaccines over time, is a bland delusuion.

313481 ▶▶▶▶ steph, replying to RickH, 1, #1283 of 2079 🔗

I wish I could tick that more than once. Spot on.

313582 ▶▶▶▶ Mayo, replying to RickH, -9, #1284 of 2079 🔗

That sounds like religious faith rather than science.

A bit like the wishful thinking regularly in evidence on this blog. This virus is still circulating widely and has just kicked up a gear.

The imminent Herd Immunity utopia touted first by Sunetra Gupta in March and more recently by Mike Yeadon and Clare Craig is a pipe dream. We’re not even close. Yeadon’s False Positives include enough True Positives to create an increasing number of hospital admissions. Deaths to follow??

Over half a million people have now received the Pfizer vaccine – some several months ago – and apart from a handful of allergic reactions (expected with a vaccine) there have been few problems.

Face it – the vaccine represents the best hope of ending this pantomime.

313592 ▶▶▶▶▶ Bugle, replying to Mayo, 2, #1285 of 2079 🔗

Interesting you call it a pantomime.

313604 ▶▶▶▶▶ Tim Bidie, replying to Mayo, 2, #1286 of 2079 🔗

‘This virus is still circulating widely and has just kicked up a gear.’

Based on what data? How was that data obtained?

‘This paper will show numerous serious flaws in the Corman-Drosten paper, the significance of which has led to worldwide misdiagnosis of infections attributed to SARS-CoV-2 and associated with the disease COVID-19.’


313736 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Mayo, replying to Tim Bidie, -6, #1287 of 2079 🔗

So what? PCR tests are not ideal – I know this. PCR tests produce False Positives – I also know this. However, that doesn’t mean that it doesn’t produce True Positives.

If a test has a FP rate of 1%, for example, then it should always have a FP rate of 1%.

If the positivity rate of a test increases then it suggests the TRUE positives are increasing.

Also ZOE Symptom Study is showing a sharp uptick.

313816 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ SweetBabyCheeses, replying to Mayo, 1, #1288 of 2079 🔗

No that’s not the whole truth. You still need to take into account the prevalence of what you’re testing for… if it’s zero then all of your positives will be false.

313510 ▶▶▶ swedenborg, replying to Mayo, 8, #1289 of 2079 🔗

Maybe safe enough for elderly in care homes. But others? See CDC Report posted today.So far 1 anaphylaxis per 60 000 after 10 days. That is about 16 times more than other vaccines (incl flu vaccine) see published study 2019. Anybody healthy under 70 must weigh this risk with death of C-19. Seems to me prioritize care homes, those with serious health co-morbidities and pause with the others.

313648 ▶▶▶▶ Mayo, replying to swedenborg, -4, #1290 of 2079 🔗

Fair point which I agree with. Unfortunately neither you nor I will have a say on policy but perhaps if mortality declines significantly once most of the vulnerable, elderly have been vaccinated then the pressure on the rest of us will be lifted.

313356 Hieronimusb, replying to Hieronimusb, 14, #1291 of 2079 🔗

Wonder if Munt Stopcock will treat us to the waterworks on Christmas Day if Liz is too pissed orf to perform.

313371 ▶▶ Ben, replying to Hieronimusb, 2, #1292 of 2079 🔗

You mean laughing waterworks without the water?

313379 ▶▶▶ Hieronimusb, replying to Ben, 1, #1293 of 2079 🔗

He’s a real giggle ain’t he..

313375 ▶▶ NorthumbrianNomad, replying to Hieronimusb, 17, #1294 of 2079 🔗

I’m hoping she’ll say something pertinent, if necessarily encrypted. Interesting that there will be no advance leaking of the speech this year. Imagine if she said “I realise this is suicide for the monarchy but it has to be done – I hereby dissolve Parliament and appoint a royal council headed by Mike Yeadon and Jonathan Sumption to restore the commonwealth”.

Unfortunately it’s likely to be a load of waffle about Captain Bloody Tom. Bless him.

313388 ▶▶▶ George L, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, 6, #1295 of 2079 🔗

She’s in on it I’m afraid.. the ever stupid Charles representing both her and the Davos WEF

313414 ▶▶▶▶ anon, replying to George L, #1296 of 2079 🔗


313392 ▶▶▶ Hieronimusb, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, 1, #1297 of 2079 🔗

Something very impertinent and thoroughly unencrypted would be nice. Major Tom more like, this lot have boarded a spaceship headed for the third moon of Uranus.

313412 ▶▶▶▶ NorthumbrianNomad, replying to Hieronimusb, 3, #1298 of 2079 🔗

Well, we can live in hope! What does she really have to lose? Through no fault of her own she’s presided over the steepest and grimmest decline in the country’s fortunes and reputation of any monarch. If monarchs were still judged by that yardstick she’d be the worst we’ve ever had and yet she’s one of the best. Why not go a bit postmodern on their asses?

313444 ▶▶▶▶▶ Hieronimusb, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, 2, #1299 of 2079 🔗

Yes, we can live in hope that we don’t die in misery! Not sure that she has the mental equipment for postmodernism though, she’s old-school with knobs on, bless her.

313499 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ NorthumbrianNomad, replying to Hieronimusb, #1300 of 2079 🔗

Sadly yes. The Hanoverians were not blessed with great imagination. Saxe-Coburg delivered a shot in the arm (sorry for the vaccine metaphor) but Spencer has delivered the killer blow

313396 ▶▶▶ Achilles, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, 12, #1301 of 2079 🔗

It will just be more propaganda. Sacrifice, NHS, community, hope for the future, tough times, the war, British resolve, etc.

313452 ▶▶ PoshPanic, replying to Hieronimusb, 5, #1302 of 2079 🔗

She might come out as a lizard, that would be cool!

313626 ▶▶▶ NorthumbrianNomad, replying to PoshPanic, 1, #1303 of 2079 🔗

I’m warming to lizards

313358 richard riewer, replying to richard riewer, #1304 of 2079 🔗

A brief interlude:

Gyro Drums

313419 ▶▶ Two-Six, replying to richard riewer, #1305 of 2079 🔗

I play drums.

313359 crimsonpirate, 7, #1306 of 2079 🔗

plenty of people out today. I noticed one gift shop still open with a sign in the window that they will serve customers at the door.

313362 Ben, 21, #1307 of 2079 🔗

‘This is the controlled demolition of a system that was already collapsing to be rebuilt by the same people but with Less freedom & more control via technocratic governance and forced self regulation via a social credit system that penalises non adherence to good citizenship’


313370 Country Mumkin, 1, #1308 of 2079 🔗

Info about the new strain from WHO. Watch the second video.

313387 FrustytheSnowman, replying to FrustytheSnowman, 27, #1309 of 2079 🔗

So this is the reason why my flight to the Netherlands was cancelled this morning, meaning I can’t spend the holidays with my partner. This lying toad and his band of fools need locking up.

313463 ▶▶ RickH, replying to FrustytheSnowman, 5, #1310 of 2079 🔗

From what I hear, its other countries that are cancelling flights from the UK on the back of the ‘mutant virus’ fable.

313474 ▶▶▶ FrustytheSnowman, replying to RickH, 1, #1311 of 2079 🔗

Indeed it is, the source of all evil

313397 skybluesam, replying to skybluesam, 40, #1312 of 2079 🔗


The cancellation of Christmas plans for millions of people across the UK will bring “intense pain” but there is “hope” for the future, the Archbishop of Canterbury has said.
Justin Welby told the BBC he had spent Christmases alone and had “no illusions about how dark it feels”.
“But as the vaccine comes in, things will change,” the archbishop said.

Welby is a disgrace. Imagine going along with this without a peep. Also, what exactly qualifies him to pontificate on vaccine efficacy?

313402 ▶▶ James Marker, replying to skybluesam, 17, #1313 of 2079 🔗

Welby is simply a leftist masquerading as a Christian

313406 ▶▶▶ George L, replying to James Marker, 4, #1314 of 2079 🔗


313454 ▶▶▶ RickH, replying to James Marker, -6, #1315 of 2079 🔗

Leftist? Grow up, ffs. Kindergarten politics is tedious.

313465 ▶▶▶▶ James Marker, replying to RickH, 4, #1316 of 2079 🔗

Get a life,ffs

313485 ▶▶▶ DRW, replying to James Marker, 7, #1317 of 2079 🔗

I’d say he’s just a cunt.

313405 ▶▶ Richard O, replying to skybluesam, 12, #1318 of 2079 🔗

Nice to see the Church of Satan fully on board with the vaccine.

313523 ▶▶▶ annie, replying to Richard O, 2, #1319 of 2079 🔗

Yeah, they do their Master’s work well.
The Coward Church of Covid and all Devils..

313409 ▶▶ Leemc23, replying to skybluesam, 13, #1320 of 2079 🔗

Welby needs to fuck off. Establishment stooge.

313413 ▶▶ Ben, replying to skybluesam, 6, #1321 of 2079 🔗

So what happened to God getting rid of the virus? Does praying not work?

313524 ▶▶▶ annie, replying to Ben, 4, #1322 of 2079 🔗

He’s never tried it.

313415 ▶▶ Bruce Reynolds, replying to skybluesam, 9, #1323 of 2079 🔗

Typical shirt lifting holy man fucking disgrace..

313421 ▶▶ Hieronimusb, replying to skybluesam, 7, #1324 of 2079 🔗

Justin Wobbly is an extraordinary cock-womble. However, he’s been in touch with Big G and he.. she has told him that the vaccine is as safe as horses, so there could be a stampede.

313526 ▶▶▶ annie, replying to Hieronimusb, #1325 of 2079 🔗

My horse isn’t safe.

313571 ▶▶▶ Ben, replying to Hieronimusb, 1, #1326 of 2079 🔗

Bill Gates?

313436 ▶▶ Two-Six, replying to skybluesam, 13, #1327 of 2079 🔗

“Welby worked for eleven years in the oil industry, five of them for the French oil company Elf Aquataine based in Paris. In 1984 he became treasurer of the oil exploration group Enterprise Oil PLC in London, where he was mainly concerned with West African and North Sea Oil projects. He retired from his executive position in 1989 and said that he sensed a calling from God to be ordained”
The oily big business slime merchant.

313456 ▶▶▶ anon, replying to Two-Six, #1328 of 2079 🔗

good info..

313494 ▶▶▶ anon, replying to Two-Six, 1, #1329 of 2079 🔗

also., which god?

313528 ▶▶▶▶ annie, replying to anon, 1, #1330 of 2079 🔗

The Covid god. He was just awaiting its advent.

313478 ▶▶ Tyneside Tigress, replying to skybluesam, 3, #1331 of 2079 🔗

Did he give away all his wealth from Enterprise Oil when he took the holy oath?

313521 ▶▶ annie, replying to skybluesam, 7, #1332 of 2079 🔗

He doesn’t give a damn about other people’s intense pain. He’s made that clear since Day 1 when the Church of England turned its back on its people.
Squalid little squit.

313399 Will, replying to Will, 9, #1333 of 2079 🔗

When Wancock is sacked what is everyone planning to do to celebrate? If he does the universe a favour and dies before he is sacked what are the plans?

313407 ▶▶ Leemc23, replying to Will, 7, #1334 of 2079 🔗

A group of people worse than Matt Wancock ? His Special Advisers.

313439 ▶▶ T. Prince, replying to Will, #1335 of 2079 🔗

I don’t think he’ll be sacked, he’ll be carried off in a jacket that ties at the back!

313520 ▶▶▶ annie, replying to T. Prince, #1336 of 2079 🔗

Round the neck would be better.

313450 ▶▶ RickH, replying to Will, 4, #1337 of 2079 🔗

You thing Handoncock is important? There are replacements a-plenty.

313467 ▶▶ Tom Blackburn, replying to Will, 2, #1338 of 2079 🔗

I think Pfeffel will keep him in situ as long as possible. He is definitely unravelling though – not in his fake emoting way – but this act needs to be sustained.

313408 James Marker, replying to James Marker, 43, #1339 of 2079 🔗

I can’t contribute anything today other than maybe now is the time for people to say enough is enough. If a large number of people go ahead with their Christmas plans and defy the authorities, Johnson and his advisers will be gone within a month. It’s up to us now.

313424 ▶▶ Two-Six, replying to James Marker, 24, #1340 of 2079 🔗

Bring it on. These bastards have just totally destroyed so many people in such a terrible way. I have just been out and its maskhole zombie fucking wonderland out there. People are SICK, their fucking kids are SICK.
Bunch of charlies!

313445 ▶▶ RickH, replying to James Marker, 9, #1341 of 2079 🔗

Sorry – but I think you underestimate the underlying compliance.

313453 ▶▶ DRW, replying to James Marker, 14, #1342 of 2079 🔗

I agree. Unfortunately there seems to be no apparent limit to what the sheeple will comply with. If they imposed a bloody goggle mandate they’d all probably be doing it.

313492 ▶▶ zacaway, replying to James Marker, 7, #1343 of 2079 🔗

Not going to happen. Just had half my family members pulling out of our planned Christmas. Not because they are scared of the virus, but because they (or their spouse) are too cowardly to ignore the rules.

313509 ▶▶▶ Richard, replying to zacaway, 12, #1344 of 2079 🔗

Haven’t posted for a while – too much going on. But sadly I agree – just had pretty difficult conversation with my parents. They are now in Tier 4 – so we can’t go there (have a little bit of sympathy with that – it would be fairly obvious given the layout of their street) but they are refusing to come to us – secluded house in coastal village – they and their circle still believe the government is acting in their best interests. Wanted to meet up somewhere to exchange presents – explained actually your 5 year old grand daughter doesn’t really care about stuff just wants to have everyone together. Asked them – at what point are you actually going to see her again ?

313519 ▶▶▶ annie, replying to zacaway, 2, #1345 of 2079 🔗

Same here. God, why did you make relatives, I sometimes wonder?

313411 Ceci, replying to Ceci, 11, #1346 of 2079 🔗

BBC 9th December

Pfizer/BioNTech vaccine docs hacked from European Medicines Agency

EMA has not yet approved the ‘vaccine’

Article does not say what day the hacking occurred

Pfizer share price started dropping on the 8th and has been dropping ever since

18th EMA announce a briefing to occur on Monday 21st about Pfizer/BioNTech vaccine

My best guess rollout will be stopped Monday or Tuesday

313417 ▶▶ Ceci, replying to Ceci, 1, #1347 of 2079 🔗

Anything else occur on Friday 18th???

313614 ▶▶▶ dommo, replying to Ceci, 1, #1348 of 2079 🔗

Massive day long meeting in the Oval Office planning what action is going be taken about the recent election fraud – including foreign interference. HMMM, wonder if there’s anyone in the UK with links to China who’s been complicit????

313437 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to Ceci, 2, #1349 of 2079 🔗

That would be huge news.

313442 ▶▶▶ RickH, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 3, #1350 of 2079 🔗

It would fit in with the desperate emergence of a ‘mutant strain’.

313455 ▶▶▶▶ FrustytheSnowman, replying to RickH, 1, #1351 of 2079 🔗

Why do I see a pattern emerging? Carrot and stick

313479 ▶▶▶▶ Fingerache Philip., replying to RickH, 6, #1352 of 2079 🔗

Mutant strain: sounds like a heavy metal band from the 80’s.

313486 ▶▶▶▶▶ George L, replying to Fingerache Philip., 2, #1353 of 2079 🔗

Or a rather noisy episode on the bog after last nights curry.. 😉

313518 ▶▶▶▶▶ PoshPanic, replying to Fingerache Philip., #1354 of 2079 🔗

God I wish that was real

313618 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ dommo, replying to PoshPanic, #1355 of 2079 🔗

it is – i’ve got their greatest hits album, “Tiers Before Lockdown”

313470 ▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to Ceci, 2, #1356 of 2079 🔗

What’s known as a White Hat hack

313472 ▶▶▶ Ceci, replying to Nick Rose, #1357 of 2079 🔗


313567 ▶▶ swedenborg, replying to Ceci, 2, #1358 of 2079 🔗

We know that Switzerland will approve the vaccines after EMA approval. What will they do on Monday? Enormous difficult position. Big pressure from the moronic politicians in all European countries to go ahead so they can get their fig leaf for their public health fiasco. On the other hand, serious concerns of so many anaphylaxis reactions already. The problem is with the second dose in 3 weeks time. Is there something in the adjuvants of the vaccines people are reacting to? Will there be more anaphylaxis in those who had received the first dose?  It can’t be excluded that some having no problems with the first dose might have got sensitized to adjuvants and the second dose could provoke an anaphylactic reaction.
It boils down to the speed of registration and only 40000 in the trial. They would have found it if it had been larger and then it would not be so surprising.

313418 T. Prince, 2, #1359 of 2079 🔗

Excellent interview Tom Woods/ Ivor Cummins


313420 PatrickF, replying to PatrickF, 10, #1360 of 2079 🔗

Sunday lunch: Satay chicken from a Leon on Shaftesbury Avenue. Found a lovely spot to eat it, on the pavement, watching the masks go by.

313428 ▶▶ NorthumbrianNomad, replying to PatrickF, 1, #1361 of 2079 🔗

For as long as Leon exists, a strange shadow paradise can persist.

313490 ▶▶ nocheesegromit, replying to PatrickF, 4, #1362 of 2079 🔗

Like Talking Heads once (nearly) sang, “Letting the masks go by/Let the Covid hold me down”

313513 ▶▶▶ Freecumbria, replying to nocheesegromit, 5, #1363 of 2079 🔗

And you may find youself living in North Korea
And you may ask yourself… how did we get here?

313440 Csaba, replying to Csaba, 15, #1364 of 2079 🔗

Of course, the new variant is less deadly. It is important for the virus. It can guarantee the longer survival for the virus itself too. It’s purpose is not killing but spreading. It’s not me just can recall an earlier discussion about it here in this forum.

313487 ▶▶ chaos, replying to Csaba, 1, #1365 of 2079 🔗

But viruses aren’t alive. Killing the host doesn’t have a purpose – it just happens or doesn’t happen. It doesn’t want to spread or not spread – it just spreads or doesn’t spread.

313496 ▶▶▶ RickH, replying to chaos, 4, #1366 of 2079 🔗

It doesn’t have to be sentient for the most effective survival mechanism to work

313501 ▶▶▶▶ chaos, replying to RickH, 1, #1367 of 2079 🔗

Rupert Sheldrake wonders whether the sun is conscious. But surely a virus doesn’t need a survival mechanism? It can kill or not kill, spread or not spread, with no need for consciousness or a need or desire for survival. It just is.

313516 ▶▶ annie, replying to Csaba, 5, #1368 of 2079 🔗

No point in a virus killing all its potential hosts. The fewer it kills, the more it’s got to feed on.
Not suggesting that the virus ‘thinks’.It’s just natural selection at work.

313884 ▶▶▶ Bill h, replying to annie, #1369 of 2079 🔗

Conscious IIRC ‘aware of own existence ‘ .

Seems unlikely. But natural selection still applies.

As it does to Covizombies.


313443 PatrickF, replying to PatrickF, 16, #1370 of 2079 🔗

Things to get enraged about in 2021: Johnson’s New Years Honours list. Brace yourselves for a tsunami of gongs for our NHS heroes, Knighthoods for Whitty, Valance and Van Tam and a fluffy cushion in the House of Lords for Hancock.

313448 ▶▶ arfurmo, replying to PatrickF, 9, #1371 of 2079 🔗

Shocking omission of Sir Neil Ferguson

313482 ▶▶▶ George L, replying to arfurmo, 2, #1372 of 2079 🔗

Yeah.. and make sure to chop the bastards head off with sword in the process!

313483 ▶▶▶ anon, replying to arfurmo, #1373 of 2079 🔗

lord cummings approves

313466 ▶▶ Ben, replying to PatrickF, 9, #1374 of 2079 🔗

Nuremberg Honours List

313508 ▶▶ Luckyharry69, replying to PatrickF, 3, #1375 of 2079 🔗

Dame Abbott of Hackney?…for services to comedy?…..

313575 ▶▶▶ Bugle, replying to Luckyharry69, 3, #1376 of 2079 🔗


313471 Derek Toyne, replying to Derek Toyne, 28, #1377 of 2079 🔗

The problem with this government in dealing with covid is that it sees people as the problem not the solution. From the beginning it was noticed, Ivor Cummins pointed this out that as infections spread the rate of growth was slowing down. In other words it was if a brake was being applied and given time would bring the infection growth to a stop. The brake was people’s immunity which kicks in after you’ve recovered from any infection. The government as decided not to use the best weapon we humans have used for thousands of years and instead decided to destroy society. As I said to my wife this morning people are realising lockdown doesn’t work but the consequence is that our children’s future as been destroyed.

313475 ▶▶ Rosie, replying to Derek Toyne, 10, #1378 of 2079 🔗

The problem with this government in dealing with covid is that it sees people as the problem not the solution.

In a nutshell – thanks

313497 ▶▶▶ Richard O, replying to Rosie, 14, #1379 of 2079 🔗

The same can be said of the ideology behind the fanatical climate change cult. People are the problem, and must be restricted in every way possible – and eliminated altogether if necessary – in order to “save the planet”.

313484 Rosie, replying to Rosie, 15, #1380 of 2079 🔗

In need of new friends or local support? Here’s where to look:

Freedom Network
The Freedom Network is a non-political movement founded with the purpose of reclaiming freedoms taken away by the Coronavirus Act. The Network has established a series of ‘Freedom Hubs’ around the country which provide like-minded lockdown sceptics with an opportunity to make contact with one another.

Back to Normal
Back to Normal is a leafleting campaign aimed at changing the public’s attitude about lockdowns. Back to Normal leaflets are designed for door-to-door distribution and are currently being distributed all over the country. E-mail backtonormalrh@yahoo.com or visit my-sgf.co.uk for more information

Unlock (Oxford)
Unlock is a student-led campaign begun at Oxford University. The movement brands lockdowns as ‘irrational and inherently unfair’ and aims raise awareness about the damage they’re doing.
Unlock has a website, http://www.unlock-gb.co.uk , and a social media presence: @unlockgb on Twitter and @GBUnlock on Facebook

Unlock Surrey
Unlock Surrey is a group of like-minded individuals from across Surrey and south-west London. Beyond a shared opposition to the lockdown, the group is entirely non-partisan and encompasses a broad variety of interests and opinions. Besides simply putting people in touch with one another, Unlock Surrey organises social events and publishes a regular newsletter. E-mail unlock.surrey@protonmail.com for more information.

313514 ▶▶ Luckyharry69, replying to Rosie, 6, #1381 of 2079 🔗

I wish I could help but I am stuck with a family of Covid Zealots.My mother screams if anyone comes near the door and my sister has morphed into a ‘Karen’.She stood on the doorstep in the pouring rain for half an hour last week!!!…to avoid ‘getting ill’…………

313500 Basics, 11, #1382 of 2079 🔗

Road tax rebate. If you cannot use them why pay tax.

313506 FrustytheSnowman, 2, #1383 of 2079 🔗

The following statement needs to be “fact checked”
Politicians lie and so does the media

313512 The Mask Exempt Covid Marshall, replying to The Mask Exempt Covid Marshall, 42, #1384 of 2079 🔗

Not going to lie, I’m finding the news about the Swedish government now ‘recommending’ face masks on public transport highly depressing. We can all see where this is going now. Bet the Pratt Handjobs of the world are delighted that Dr. Tegnell would appear to have been sidelined, though.

I had been hoping that it might be a refuge, at least for short breaks, but oh no. Maybe it will have to be Mexico, assuming we are ever allowed to leave the country again.

On the subject of masks, I have to say that just the sight of people wearing them outside is now enough to piss me off. What the hell is wrong with them? They are helping to keep this nonsense going on and on and on and stopping normality from resuming. Do they not realise this? Or do they secretly have a fetish for these vile things? The gulf between myself and such people is so vast I wonder if it may be insurmountable. I literally have entirely lost patience with them now.

Sick and tired of having my life ruined by this shit, which enough people continue to support or put up with in order to allow it to continue and escalate.

313527 ▶▶ Richard O, replying to The Mask Exempt Covid Marshall, 17, #1385 of 2079 🔗

Very well said. I think you are correct that there is a fetish element in play here. There is a blind belief that the mask is a panacea (which of course flies in the face of all the data), and this is a comfort blanket much like a child’s cuddly toy. Also, it is the ultimate symbol of compliance with and membership of the Covid cult.

Sadly I think these fucking hideous things will be with us for decades. The vast majority of the population that now wears them outside, even without a mandate (yet), are too far gone to be saved. We are witnessing the emergence of a new sub-species. Homo Covidius.

313531 ▶▶▶ Dan Clarke, replying to Richard O, 5, #1386 of 2079 🔗

Especially the ones that match their outfits

313529 ▶▶ Dan Clarke, replying to The Mask Exempt Covid Marshall, 2, #1387 of 2079 🔗

My niece said with an embarrassed laugh, well its just the same as putting a scarf over your mouth in winter

313537 ▶▶▶ Richard O, replying to Dan Clarke, 19, #1388 of 2079 🔗

Except that putting a scarf over your mouth is not mandated by the government and required to access public spaces under threat of fines.

313546 ▶▶▶▶ Dan Clarke, replying to Richard O, 2, #1389 of 2079 🔗

Yes and they were told a face covering was enough, can’t get my head around the fact that they are spending money on them either

There’s a Swedish ‘scientist’ on Twitter. Roundish face, glasses, head scarf.. Talking about how bad and arbitrary the new restrictions were, then in the same sentence talking about the ‘pandemic’… And I knew

Controlled opposition. The WEF, the Covid Cabal.. Whoever they are, control Sweden. Now every country is occupied except for a few

313561 ▶▶ Biker, replying to The Mask Exempt Covid Marshall, 11, #1391 of 2079 🔗

People like you who don’t see the risk are to blame. We must cover up our faces outside to protect spreading the virus to birds flying around. Also if you sneeze or cough the droplets fall to the ground where a hedgehog may find them and spread it to their little kittens and then a fox will eat them catching the virus in turn spreading it to badgers then cows, then flies and then trees, it’s everywhere now. Because you didn’t wear a mask the rainforest will die and turn to desert, the whole of Africa will starve causing a stampede of fleeing people on boats to sink in the sea passing on the virus to sharks, fish and whales and within a week the sea’s will be dead. Three weeks after you went outside the whole world is a wasteland. So just put the bloody mask on and save the Orangutans

313644 ▶▶ William Hand, replying to The Mask Exempt Covid Marshall, 4, #1392 of 2079 🔗

Just try and ignore the maskers. You will be the one more healthy at the end of this shitshow.

313517 Dan Clarke, replying to Dan Clarke, 3, #1393 of 2079 🔗

Is Sturgeon acting illegally putting border controls between England and Scotland?

313522 ▶▶ Biker, replying to Dan Clarke, 7, #1394 of 2079 🔗

It’s all talk, you can cross over no problem. she’s dreaming if she thinks otherwise

313547 ▶▶▶ FenTyger, replying to Biker, 3, #1395 of 2079 🔗

Thought she had crossed over?

313635 ▶▶▶▶ Dan Clarke, replying to FenTyger, 1, #1396 of 2079 🔗

Thought that was just rumour?

314110 ▶▶▶▶ annie, replying to FenTyger, #1397 of 2079 🔗

The sanity line? Ages ago.
I do hope they put her, Dungford and Bozo in the same cell in Broadmoor. Huis clos wouldn’t be in it.

313685 ▶▶ Basics, replying to Dan Clarke, 1, #1398 of 2079 🔗

I have yet to find the answer to that. The Police Scotland Chief Constable has said they will be enforcing it. Due dilligence checks done? With the history of Police Scotland I tend to value the Scottish Police Federations (trade union) view much more than the kneelers.

313525 NappyFace, replying to NappyFace, 10, #1399 of 2079 🔗

Just seen some of the BBC news, I can tell you one thing, some serious shit is going down. I don’t know what (it’s obviously not the virus), but they are at level 10. I’ve got a very bad feeling about this.

313532 ▶▶ Richard O, replying to NappyFace, 3, #1400 of 2079 🔗

On principle I haven’t visited the BBC website for months now. What are you seeing?

313540 ▶▶ Luckyharry69, replying to NappyFace, 2, #1401 of 2079 🔗

please share?
The BBC’s favourite team Rashford United are winning?…what are you seeing?

313553 ▶▶▶ NappyFace, replying to Luckyharry69, 4, #1402 of 2079 🔗

BBC on TV – Hancock interviewed. All about the new strain, the crisis we face etc. Fear level at maximum – like I said, something very bad is going to happen.

313557 ▶▶▶▶ dhpaul, replying to NappyFace, 11, #1403 of 2079 🔗

I suspect a small part of it is the Brexit sell out thats nailed on for this week.

313568 ▶▶▶▶ Luckyharry69, replying to NappyFace, 6, #1404 of 2079 🔗

I could have told you last year something ‘bad’ was happening………..its been ramping up since Brexit/Trump elections……..

313606 ▶▶ dommo, replying to NappyFace, 3, #1405 of 2079 🔗

“I don’t know what”???? just have a wee think about what’s been happening in America these last few weeks, and what’s about to happen. Any clearer now?

313668 ▶▶ OKUK, replying to NappyFace, 2, #1406 of 2079 🔗

Trump v China Biden … the stolen election…maybe all good globalists pushing at the wheel to get Biden over the line? Europe does its bit by pretending there is a serious plague on the loose.

313674 ▶▶▶ Stringfellow Hawke, replying to OKUK, 2, #1407 of 2079 🔗

Could be…wit hin the last 48 hours, Trump received his intelligence briefing re: 2018 executive order, re: any possible interference in a US election. Also – Trump has apparently authorized the use of Military tribunals for any forthcoming trials. it was speculated (denied by the W House) that Military would be asked to intervene in a declaration of martial law…

313689 ▶▶▶ dommo, replying to OKUK, 1, #1408 of 2079 🔗

my take is that if they’d got away with the election without being caught (ahem) “red handed”, we’d be looking at the virus in the rear-view mirror…(albeit with a contrived war against russia to “look forward to” in the new year)

313673 ▶▶ Pebbles, replying to NappyFace, 5, #1409 of 2079 🔗

Serious shit has been going down for the last 9 months. And yes it needs to keep going because if the fear level isn’t being kept at the level it is it might mean people will wake up to the fact that they have been lied to again and again and again. That their government is not working FOR them but AGAINST them.

They will try everything they can to win this war over your mind, your body, your soul. They want you in a place of fear because that is where you are easiest manipulated, controlled, diverted from truth and facts. The fear is the method and the end game all in one.

Yes they will try to lock us up in 2021 even more than they did in 2020 because there is a tidal wave of reckoning coming their way and they’d like to avoid it, desperately…

So please clarify – what’s happening that the BBC is scaring the living daylight out of you? No trade deal? Mutant virus, uncontrollable? Economy in freefall? Europe shutting UK out, all flights from UK to European countries diverted or returned? British citizens personas non grata in the world?

They are ramping up the fear so that no one will blame them for cancelling Xmas and plunging country into even greater chaos and despair. Look at lame stream media headlines: “Virus cancels Christmas.” Ehhhh NO! The government cancelled Christmas… and the people will either comply and give in to fear – OR NOT. You will either forgive and forget – OR NOT. You will either choose tyranny over freedom – OR NOT. You will sit back and hope for things going back to normal without even lifting your finger or whilst complying to face nappies, vaccines, and endless social distancing – OR NOT!!!

We are at a T-junction. Choose your turn wisely. Fear, always, will lead you to the dark side.

Best to stop watching the BBC and poke a Voodoo doll for them to go bankrupt. They have been morally bankrupt for decades.

313534 Mutineer, replying to Mutineer, 9, #1410 of 2079 🔗

I often argue with the cultists on Facebook and have been told ‘Your name is on a list’, It now seems that these delightful people DO have a list! A group called ‘You Don’t Get A Ventilator’ has over 9k members. Delightful people.


313549 ▶▶ Richard O, replying to Mutineer, 4, #1411 of 2079 🔗

Those who can make you believe absurdities, can make you commit atrocities.

313576 ▶▶ kenadams, replying to Mutineer, 17, #1412 of 2079 🔗

As ventilators worsened/killed many people, that’s not much of a threat.

313586 ▶▶ Noumenon, replying to Mutineer, 2, #1413 of 2079 🔗

Oh, the IRONY!

“About this group
tag group for people that don’t deserve a ventilator when we’re rationing them. they’re either too dumb or too big of a dick for oxygen”


“Group rules from the admins

Bullying of any kind is NOT allowed & degrading comments about things like race, religion, culture, sexual orientation, gender or identity will not be tolerated. bullying is an insta-ban. be kind

We’re all in this together to create a peaceful environment. treat everyone with respect. Healthy debates are natural, but kindness/respect is required.

Being part of this group requires mutual trust. What’s shared in the group should stay in the group. Do NOT click on member’s profiles unless you are friend requesting. do NOT Facebook stalk EVER

Give more than you take to this group. Self-promotion, spam and irrelevant links aren’t allowed.

do NOT go real life. do not look at where someone lives, works, plays. do not contact anyone from a member’s friends list. do NOT click on a member’s profile EVER unless adding them as a friend.

Read & acknowledge all announcements that you see from admin so you do not miss important info & updates

Content shared must be relevant to the group content. ie Coronavirus, COVID, lockdown, pandemic, government response, etc.”

313660 ▶▶ Thomas_E, replying to Mutineer, 2, #1414 of 2079 🔗

Yep, got the same reply from a site I was on. I replied ,so is yours in that case. The only difference between us is that I’m a trained killer and you are an office worker ( smiley face)..Strange,no reply back..

313827 ▶▶ A. Contrarian, replying to Mutineer, 1, #1415 of 2079 🔗

What are the criteria out of interest? Do you have to prove that you caught it through absolutely no fault of your own? Maybe you touched your mask and infected your fingers. Perhaps you breathed a bit too deeply. Or popped into a shop when you didn’t really need to.

And yet these are the people who are screaming at us to save lives?!

313535 Sarigan, replying to Sarigan, 31, #1416 of 2079 🔗

Just had a friend collect distraught daughter from Cardiff. His wife was worried about roadblocks, fines etc. Easiest journey ever he told me. ‘All a load of scaremongering bollocks’ was his next sentence.

313758 ▶▶ Richym99, replying to Sarigan, 4, #1417 of 2079 🔗

The police have already said they are not interested in road blocks.

314107 ▶▶ annie, replying to Sarigan, #1418 of 2079 🔗

Pity my sister doesn’t believe it.
I’ve gone right off her. Hope it’s temporary.

313539 FenTyger, replying to FenTyger, 15, #1419 of 2079 🔗

The stupidity of tiers:-

People tested positive by specimen date seven days to 15 December 2020

Area 1: 14 (Rate per 100k resident population: 141.9)

Area 2: 8 (Rate per 100k resident population: 138.7)

Area 3: 30 (Rate per 100k resident population: 452.5)

Any guesses on what Tiers these places are in? Are any in the same Tier?

Times up and here’s the answer:-

Area 1 is in Cornwall (Tier 1)

Area 2 is in Peterborough (Tier 4)

Area 3 is in Kent (Tier 4)

So Area 2 at Tier 4 has a lower rate than an area in Tier 1 Cornwall

It’s utter bollocks.

313581 ▶▶ bluemoon, replying to FenTyger, 10, #1420 of 2079 🔗

Of course it’s bollox. But Cornwall is stuffed with second (or third) homes belonging to politicians and business leaders/Tory party donors. They moved down here last week so London can now be moved into lockdown. Simples.

313823 ▶▶ A. Contrarian, replying to FenTyger, #1421 of 2079 🔗

Peterborough is closer to London, and anywhere close to London is now being punished, just like everywhere in the North was punished over the summer. Johnson’s version of levelling up (down).

I predict that Tier 4 will creep ever outwards over the next week or two. Lots of emergency reallocations. At some point they will have to call it Lockdown 3, once only Cornwall and the Isle of Wight remain.

313882 ▶▶▶ Jo Dominich, replying to A. Contrarian, 1, #1422 of 2079 🔗

Peterborough is also a main lorry route from key ports just like Kent, Bedfordshire and others in Tier 4. Just wait for that No Deal Brexit announcement this week.

313542 Fingerache Philip., 7, #1423 of 2079 🔗

Did you see that pratt wearing a complete disposable coverall suit at a transport hub on the tv news just now.

313548 cerati, replying to cerati, 29, #1424 of 2079 🔗

In Tier 2. Had my elderly mum on the phone this morning. Worried about coming over on the 23rd for Xmas now, after the latest government propaganda. Maybe she should only come on Xmas day now, what with this new strain of the virus going wild. She’s neither a lockdown zealot nor a sceptic. She doesn’t know what to think.

Told her i will not comply with their ridiculous decrees and I’d be picking her up on the 23rd as planned, stop listening to this deadly virus tripe and enjoy Xmas as she has done every other year.

313551 ▶▶ FenTyger, replying to cerati, 5, #1425 of 2079 🔗

See my comment on Tiers below to see how stupid they are.

313773 ▶▶ Will, replying to cerati, 2, #1426 of 2079 🔗

Good for you. I hope you and your mum have a lovely Christmas.

313552 Nick Rose, replying to Nick Rose, 15, #1427 of 2079 🔗

On a brighter note, enjoyed a cracking walk today. Cold and showery this morning, cold and bright this afternoon.

313579 ▶▶ Gill, replying to Nick Rose, 2, #1428 of 2079 🔗

Looks a lot nicer than my walk today, although I did have sunshine throughout. I like the profile picture by the way. Had to expand the image several times on my iPad before I could see what you had done!

313591 ▶▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to Gill, #1429 of 2079 🔗

Good to get out for a whole day. Yes, it’s a fairly cheeky avatar. Good old Norton anti-virus!!
(It’s not actually me btw…)

313616 ▶▶ PoshPanic, replying to Nick Rose, 1, #1430 of 2079 🔗


313625 ▶▶ shorthand, replying to Nick Rose, #1431 of 2079 🔗

Special. Furry boots?

313767 ▶▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to shorthand, #1432 of 2079 🔗

Leather. Furry socks

314106 ▶▶ annie, replying to Nick Rose, #1433 of 2079 🔗


313554 Fingerache Philip., replying to Fingerache Philip., 3, #1434 of 2079 🔗

Have my FS’s noticed how as the fear factor rises so does the compulsory ( happy clappy) enthusiasm on MSM?

313578 ▶▶ Richard O, replying to Fingerache Philip., 5, #1435 of 2079 🔗

All those in the MSM will ultimately end up in the gulag they are constructing for the rest of us. As indeed will nearly all the politicians. Low level, dispensable minions the lot of them.

313607 ▶▶ Dave Angel Eco Warrier, replying to Fingerache Philip., 3, #1436 of 2079 🔗

Indeed. Occasionally they make out / pretend they are questioning the lockdown policies but they don’t really mean it and want more of the same.

313630 ▶▶ awildgoose, replying to Fingerache Philip., 2, #1437 of 2079 🔗

More eyeballs mean higher ratings mean higher ad rates mean larger bonuses.

313813 ▶▶ A. Contrarian, replying to Fingerache Philip., 1, #1438 of 2079 🔗

Just as long as the snaps of people’s sourdough and banana bread don’t come back…

313560 Bart Simpson, replying to Bart Simpson, 14, #1439 of 2079 🔗

Mr Bart and I went to Hampstead Heath. Loads of people, predictable as everything else is shut yet again.

It was great to see kids being kids and no-one giving a rat’s ass about social distancing. People were generally having a good time.

Only two things ruined today:

  1. people with muzzles – come on man, Hampstead Heath is outdoors!!
  2. woman talking on the phone – someone she knows has been made redundant and is spending Christmas on his own.


313562 ▶▶ Luckyharry69, replying to Bart Simpson, 7, #1440 of 2079 🔗

I went to ‘London’ once…didnt like it…………

313569 ▶▶▶ kenadams, replying to Luckyharry69, 2, #1441 of 2079 🔗

Can I respectfully say you probably didn’t go to Hampstead then? It’s lovely.

313574 ▶▶▶ Biker, replying to Luckyharry69, 7, #1442 of 2079 🔗

so did i, i went to see the Mayor, turned out he was some wee cunt whom believes in a barbaric religion where they mutilate the genitals of girls and believe in flying donkeys. Thought to myself fuck this i’m going back to Scotland where everyone is drunk and believes that virgins have babies and Robert Burns is a good poet

313573 ▶▶ PatrickF, replying to Bart Simpson, 3, #1443 of 2079 🔗

I was on Hampstead Heath too! Those in muzzles should have gone to the Vale of Health.

313730 ▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to PatrickF, #1444 of 2079 🔗


313580 common conservative, replying to common conservative, 4, #1445 of 2079 🔗

Here’s a toughie. If it could only be one of them, which of these despicable bastards would you chin:

1. Johnson
2. Hancock
3. Gove
4. Vallance
5. Whitty

Only one.

313584 ▶▶ shorthand, replying to common conservative, 2, #1446 of 2079 🔗

Jason Leitch or Van Tam aren’t there. I would want a little bit of a fight back….

313598 ▶▶▶ shorthand, replying to shorthand, 1, #1447 of 2079 🔗

But Vallance. He’s tall. That non existent chin and an uppercut……

313585 ▶▶ George L, replying to common conservative, 3, #1448 of 2079 🔗


313587 ▶▶ Leemc23, replying to common conservative, 4, #1449 of 2079 🔗

Whitty. My reason is that he has abandoned the principle of do no harm.

313597 ▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to common conservative, 1, #1450 of 2079 🔗

Can I have two? (Getting very Game of Thronesey…)

313601 ▶▶ DRW, replying to common conservative, 5, #1451 of 2079 🔗

Has to be Wankcock.
Krankie and Turtlehead belong on that list too.

313609 ▶▶ PoshPanic, replying to common conservative, 1, #1452 of 2079 🔗

If it could be a line up and they wouldn’t know who I was gonna chin. That would be fun

313611 ▶▶ Achilles, replying to common conservative, 5, #1453 of 2079 🔗

Whitty. He can’t use politics as an excuse. He has lent credence to the lie at the cost of his own soul.

313636 ▶▶ Liz F, replying to common conservative, 5, #1454 of 2079 🔗

Oooh, like being in a sweetie shop. Two please – white chocolate mouse (Wancock) and gob-stopper (Witless).

313637 ▶▶ Iansn, replying to common conservative, 10, #1455 of 2079 🔗

wankock, I beat his head to a pulp with an iron bar in my mind as I watched his interview with Marr, he is evil in an entirely new way. I had to stop watching for my own mental health. If I saw him in the street I dont know what I would do.

313907 ▶▶▶ CGL, replying to Iansn, #1456 of 2079 🔗

Completely with you – I wish him suffering and pain before a very slow death

313645 ▶▶ Derek Linux, replying to common conservative, 5, #1457 of 2079 🔗

The fish rots from the head. It has to be Bozo.

313652 ▶▶ William Hand, replying to common conservative, 3, #1458 of 2079 🔗


313663 ▶▶ TheBluePill, replying to common conservative, 1, #1459 of 2079 🔗

That’s really difficult. The problem is that most of them are puppets. Valance is probably the most evil out of them so probably him. He knows exactly what he is doing and he doesn’t care so long as it boosts his share prices.

313740 ▶▶ mattghg, replying to common conservative, 3, #1460 of 2079 🔗

Hancock, no question

313766 ▶▶ Will, replying to common conservative, 4, #1461 of 2079 🔗

Hancock. No brainer.

313808 ▶▶ A. Contrarian, replying to common conservative, 4, #1462 of 2079 🔗

Hancock Hancock Hancock Hancock Hancock.

That’s my top five.

Just scrolled down and seen that everyone else is choosing two. In that case Hancock takes places 1-4 and Whitty comes in last.

314102 ▶▶ annie, replying to common conservative, #1463 of 2079 🔗

No fair, no Dungford, no Turdgeon!

313589 shorthand, replying to shorthand, 6, #1464 of 2079 🔗


313600 ▶▶ Eddy, replying to shorthand, 4, #1465 of 2079 🔗

No gloves.

313602 ▶▶ PatrickF, replying to shorthand, 8, #1466 of 2079 🔗

Suicide attempt? Live and suffer like the rest of us, you selfish bastard!

313631 ▶▶ Richard O, replying to shorthand, 1, #1467 of 2079 🔗

Only in America ” takes on a whole new level of significance.

313593 PoshPanic, replying to PoshPanic, 3, #1468 of 2079 🔗

So is the new strain bullshit their perfect exit plan, get out of jail card and cover for vaccine failure, all rolled into one? Did they know that the new more virulent strain, would be instantly proven to be not very lethal?

So, allowing them the next move in the New Year, of saying, look, we don’t need to test this new strain so much, as it’s not very deadly…drop PCR testing.

The new vaccine won’t work well against this one, but can be modified each year for Cov21,22 etc… cue acceptance of annual vax for Bat Lurgy

And then, when the enquiries begin in a few years, it will eventually find..” Look, they did everything they could against a very deadly strain and thanks to the support given to the former NHS ( now Moderna BioTech inc ), society was saved, well apart from ghetto mega slum on the outskirts.

313608 ▶▶ Biker, replying to PoshPanic, 22, #1469 of 2079 🔗

sounds good but for one thing. They’re not gonna stop. They’re shutting down the machine, no more fossil fuels. Within ten years half the world will have died and the other half will wish they were dead. I’m telling you this i’m going out in a blaze of glory taking some of them with me. The day we need papers to leave the house it’s war.

313640 ▶▶▶ Richard O, replying to Biker, 3, #1470 of 2079 🔗

Within ten years half the world will have died and the other half will wish they were dead.

With you all the way on this one. I know which half I am choosing.

313621 ▶▶ DRW, replying to PoshPanic, 12, #1471 of 2079 🔗

I fear they will just keep announcing “new strains” ad infinitum…

313667 ▶▶▶ IanE, replying to DRW, 1, #1472 of 2079 🔗

Well, until someone cooks up another type of near-harmless virus!

313596 theanalyst, 3, #1473 of 2079 🔗

Weird how many of these Health Reporters studied Politics. Just been checking a few out on LinkedIn. Similar with many who are described as ‘NHS Leaders’….quite a few studied Politics.

313603 Sarigan, replying to Sarigan, 5, #1474 of 2079 🔗

Very convenient figures:

“UK records 35,928 new Covid cases – the highest EVER – as mutant strain causes rise in infections of nearly 95% compared to last Sunday – as death toll increases by 326 taking total number of victims to 67,401”

313624 ▶▶ Tyneside Tigress, replying to Sarigan, 5, #1475 of 2079 🔗

Highest death day still 18 November. Large spike in testing Pillar 2 on 17 December?

313747 ▶▶▶ Will, replying to Tyneside Tigress, #1476 of 2079 🔗

Which fits with the ONS survey indicating the peak of “infections” the week ending the 23rd October.

313805 ▶▶▶ A. Contrarian, replying to Tyneside Tigress, 1, #1477 of 2079 🔗

17 December, approx 1 week before Xmas day, when lots of people thought they would be “allowed” to see their families. Now why might people be getting tested a week before Xmas I wonder? It must be because they’re all suddenly ill. Couldn’t possibly be because the govt has put the fear of god into them and they went for a test to ensure that they wouldn’t kill granny – could it?

Sadly however, if I’m right, then over the next week or so positives will drop, because people aren’t getting tested in such large numbers any more, and they will claim that Tier 4 has done the trick and must remain in place forever more.

313804 ▶▶ A. Contrarian, replying to Sarigan, 2, #1478 of 2079 🔗

Do they actually KNOW that it’s the “mutant” strain causing these rises? Have they isolated and checked every single case?!

313880 ▶▶▶ Jo Dominich, replying to A. Contrarian, 3, #1479 of 2079 🔗

Well according to WHO they were dismissive of the UK’s claim. They call it by a different code but don’t seem to be the least bit concerned about it.

313610 Mr Dee, replying to Mr Dee, 15, #1480 of 2079 🔗

Just had a cop round, knocking on the door.

Don’t worry, it was my brother-in-law, off-duty, dropping by with presents and to share an illegal pot of coffee.

313634 ▶▶ dommo, replying to Mr Dee, 2, #1481 of 2079 🔗

what’s his inside line on recent police “atrocities”?

313646 ▶▶▶ Mr Dee, replying to dommo, 6, #1482 of 2079 🔗

Not sure. He was more concerned that he had had a recent DNA ancestry test and found out he was only 50% Welsh.

313642 ▶▶ Derek Linux, replying to Mr Dee, 3, #1483 of 2079 🔗

And you let this hypocritical bootboy of the state into your house? Not much use as a skeptic, are you?

313654 ▶▶▶ Mr Dee, replying to Derek Linux, 4, #1484 of 2079 🔗

My apologies. I should have executed him in front of his kids as an example of what happens to collaborators. And then prized the Christmas cards and prezzies from his cold hands.

313658 ▶▶ Old Bill, replying to Mr Dee, #1485 of 2079 🔗

Illegal pot of coffee or illegal coffer of pot?

313661 ▶▶▶ Mr Dee, replying to Old Bill, 1, #1486 of 2079 🔗

Unfortunately, just the first.

313714 ▶▶▶▶ Old Bill, replying to Mr Dee, 1, #1487 of 2079 🔗

Anyone remember ‘Phil’ and ‘Nige’ from ‘Early Doors’?
They would fit right in just now.

313829 ▶▶▶▶▶ Philip Baynes, replying to Old Bill, #1488 of 2079 🔗

“Crime won’t crack itself”!

313678 ▶▶ Luckyharry69, replying to Mr Dee, #1489 of 2079 🔗

did you leave your track and trace details?

313703 ▶▶▶ Mr Dee, replying to Luckyharry69, 1, #1490 of 2079 🔗

In these parts, that quaint relic has been thrown into the dumpster of history and set alight.

313617 Gladiatrix, replying to Gladiatrix, 54, #1491 of 2079 🔗

Email sent today

Dear Prime Minister

I am writing to you, the Cabinet, my constituency MP, the Chairman of the Party, the Chairman of the 1922 Committee and those Government spokespersons in the House of Lords who have chosen to be directly contactable rather than hide behind collective email addresses, to express my dismay as a lifelong Conservative voter at this government’s hopeless mismanagement of an outbreak of a coronavirus which is clearly now turning into a seasonal virus.

I was 18 in 1987 and with one exception have voted for the Conservative party in every general election since that date. It beggars belief that the party of low tax, small government, free enterprise, economic probity, individual liberty, personal responsibility, and legislation based on empirical evidence has seen fit to fly in the face of every principle in which it is supposed to believe all for the sake of dealing with a virus that has to date affected less than 1% of the British population. The current population of the United Kingdom is 67.54 million, the total number of deaths is 67,075 therefore the actual percentage of deaths among the UK population is 0.09%. It is well known that many of these deaths have been recorded as ‘with Covid’ rather than ‘from Covid’; the logical conclusion is thus that the real percentage death rate is even lower and the continuous harping over the R number has no basis in fact. Moreover, comparisons of deaths in December across several years demonstrates that the current figures are in no way unusual for the time of year. Research in the USA and Europe (testing of sewage samples) has also shown that Covid-19 was present outside China as early as last December and was almost certainly the cause of the very nasty flu outbreak last year. What is genuinely shocking about the numbers of Covid-19 infections is that 10,000 of them were hospital-acquired despite all the warnings and the construction of the Nightingale hospitals. What do the NHS Trust CEOs and infection control nurses have to say for themselves? Has anyone in government bothered to ask?

Baroness Thatcher, a trained and qualified scientist, would have realised that predictions of 100s of 1000s of deaths was highly unlikely in a modern society based in a first world country and would have reported any scientist or doctor making such unevidenced claims to their professional regulator. This is what should have happened regarding Professor Neil Ferguson who already had ‘form’ in this regard, having made utterly baseless predictions of mass deaths during the Foot and Mouth Disease outbreak, during the SARS outbreak and during the Swine Flu outbreak. Not one word was true. It has subsequently been discovered that his team at UCL had received millions of pounds of taxpayers’ money over more than a decade only to produce a statistical assessment that was utterly useless and had to be comprehensively rewritten, at huge expense, by Microsoft. Professors Whitty and Vallance instead of disowning this work and going back to first principles have continued to rely on it, despite the unmistakeable evidence that none of his or their predictions have come to pass. Moreover, both stand to benefit significantly from their personal shareholdings in the pharmaceutical companies engaged in producing vaccines for Covid-19.

Craig, Gupta, Heneghan, Yeadon and many others have demonstrated again and again that the rate of deaths from Covid-19 was already declining before the first lockdown was imposed in March. There have been claims by this government of second and third waves, all of which Dr Craig has shown are not in any way supported by available data. The PCR test on which this Government has set such store is the subject of prosecutions and litigation in Germany, where Drosten the author of the supposedly definitive paper on this subject is not only facing prosecution for scientific fraud but also for personal fraud, as it appears he has lied about his qualifications. You must be aware of that, in combination with the revelation that the PCR tests in use in the UK are little short of useless and the lateral flow tests not much better. The much-vaunted use of facemasks by the general public has also been shown to provide no protection to either wearer or passer-by.

313628 ▶▶ PatrickF, replying to Gladiatrix, 5, #1492 of 2079 🔗

Outstanding! Keep posting.

313655 ▶▶ Old Bill, replying to Gladiatrix, 13, #1493 of 2079 🔗

I very rarely read posts as long as yours and you can be assured nobody in the government will, but I have to congratulate you on your letter which is, as somebody else said already, outstanding.
It is a tremendous shame that it will not get any audience outside of this forum.

313742 ▶▶▶ Norman, replying to Old Bill, 1, #1494 of 2079 🔗

Try posting it in full on http://www.political betting com. I once posted there but got fed up of ultra-loyalty by most posters to ‘the COVID line’ and the notion that anyone less loyal is a ‘loon’. Yet the users have 100s of different views on other subjects, just as you discover if you talk to voters.

The three or four sceptics there who post regularly are clearly people who choose to think for themselves, regardless what party they vote for.

313669 ▶▶ Richard O, replying to Gladiatrix, 4, #1495 of 2079 🔗

Brilliant letter. One small correction required: Ferguson works at Imperial, not UCL.

313739 ▶▶▶ Will, replying to Richard O, 1, #1496 of 2079 🔗

And, whilst Ferguson and King advocated the slaughter of 10 million healthy animals, Ferguson’s biggest animal health scandal relates to BSE/ vCJD. Brilliant letter though.

313619 Iansn, 10, #1497 of 2079 🔗

New year sales cancelled. 100% for sure that major civil distrubances will kick of on 2 January to obtain freebies that would have needed purchasing in the sales. I hear that 55in 4K TVs are the most prized items for the professional looter. This will 100% happen I am sure.The shops are full of stock.

313620 Gladiatrix, replying to Gladiatrix, 13, #1498 of 2079 🔗

Any politician paying attention would by now have realised that lockdowns, tiers, facemasks, PCR tests have had no discernible impact and those who have died have either been elderly or suffering from already compromised immunity, whether previously diagnosed or personal obesity. The average age at death is 82.4 years. The vast majority of the population is not and never was at great risk of anything other than a heavy cold for a week to 10 days. Instead, a Conservative government has seen fit to ignore all the evidence in front of its collective nose, to disregard those experts who have been telling it for the last 9 months that it has been misled by incompetent and self-interested civil servants, and has imposed a second lockdown, introduced regional tiers, destroyed this country’s economy and the prospects of an entire generation, introduced punitive legislation which runs counter to 800 years of common law jurisprudence as well as misused existing legislation, bypassed Parliamentary scrutiny, turned the country’s police services into brutish paramilitaries, and now behaved like the worst of the post-Civil War regime and cancelled Christmas. Professor Yeadon’s response to yesterday’s announcement has been flatly to state that the British population is being lied to for reasons he doesn’t understand.

If the Conservative party wishes to retain my vote and convince me that it will return to proper Conservative principles, I require the you to provide me with the following facts not a rehash of the present propaganda no later than 5.00pm on 31 December 2020: –

313627 ▶▶ dommo, replying to Gladiatrix, 15, #1499 of 2079 🔗

i can’t believe that you’d still even for one moment consider voting for any current political party – they have all behaved appallingly. my MP was binned for eternity after voting for Lockdown 2. other than that, excellent summary…

313693 ▶▶ PastImperfect, replying to Gladiatrix, 6, #1500 of 2079 🔗

The denial of HCQ-like early intervention treatments may well have increased the deaths five-fold.

314123 ▶▶▶ Stringfellow Hawke, replying to PastImperfect, #1501 of 2079 🔗

It wasn’t denied to everyone.. inc a number of Hollywood celebs: Daniel Dae-Kim called it a ‘secret weapon’.
Paul Vallone, NYC Democrat, said HcQ undoubtedly saved his life. His brother took it too & agreed. Michigan Democrat Karen Whitsett said it saved her life, vindictive Democrats censured her and threatened to ruin her whole career for saying that. One time Democrat VP candidate Amy Klobuchar admitted her husband one day ‘just’ got better from covid after taking HcQ, she was not censured because she trashed Trump & everybody else who considered taking it, when he mentioned the drug.

313622 Gladiatrix, replying to Gladiatrix, 20, #1502 of 2079 🔗

If the Conservative party wishes to retain my vote and convince me that it will return to proper Conservative principles, I require the you to provide me with the following facts not a rehash of the present propaganda no later than 5.00pm on 31 December 2020: –
As infections obviously spread indoors and will thus increase once a lockdown is lifted and the infected circulate again why did no-one in the Cabinet point out that this was a pointless exercise?
How many deaths from Covid-19 rather than with Covid-19 have actually been recorded and in what age group(s)?
What other underlying symptoms did each deceased have?
How much has the furlough scheme cost the UK taxpayer so far and what will be the future cost?
How many people are now unemployed as a result of the repeated lockdowns?
How many businesses have gone bust and for the same reason?
Why hasn’t Neil Ferguson been reported by the Government to the GMC for professional misconduct and to UCL for academic misconduct?
Why hasn’t Neil Ferguson been sacked from the SAGE committee with loss of all benefits for misconduct?
Why hasn’t Neil Ferguson and his team at UCL been reported by the Government to the police for misfeasance of public funds and/or fraud?
Why haven’t Patrick Vallance and Christopher Whitty been a) sacked from the SAGE committee with loss of all benefits for misconduct and b) reported to the GMC for conflict of interest and c) reported to the Honours committee by the Government?
Why hasn’t the entirety of the SAGE committee and its various sub-committee membership been a) summarily dismissed by the Government with loss of all benefits for repeatedly misleading the Government, making baseless and unevidenced assertions, causing catastrophic economic and social damage to the United Kingdom, and for abusing the British public; and b) reported to the GMC or other applicable regulators for professional misconduct?
In the light of questions 1-11 above will the Prime Minister undertake to repeal the Coronavirus legislation and associated statutory instruments in toto and the amendments to the Public Health Act no later than 31 December 2020, and provide the British public with an unreserved and comprehensive public apology, and instruct the CPS to drop all prosecutions against people fined under that legislation along with reimbursements of fines imposed and costs incurred?

313649 ▶▶ OKUK, replying to Gladiatrix, 3, #1503 of 2079 🔗

That’ll do for starters!

313657 ▶▶ Liz F, replying to Gladiatrix, 2, #1504 of 2079 🔗

Awesome letter.

313662 ▶▶ PatrickF, replying to Gladiatrix, #1505 of 2079 🔗

Brilliant! Can I forward to my MP Greg Clark please.

313679 ▶▶▶ Gladiatrix, replying to PatrickF, 1, #1506 of 2079 🔗

Of course

313671 ▶▶ Henry, replying to Gladiatrix, 2, #1507 of 2079 🔗

A small point it’s ‘ICL’ not ‘UCL’

313653 Dan Clarke, 16, #1508 of 2079 🔗

As a matter of principle, I will never wear a muzzle and put more money into the pockets of the investors of this scam

313664 dhid, replying to dhid, 3, #1509 of 2079 🔗

So now posts in comments are removed because they are may be considered “ad hominem” by “some” despite the pompus tone of the “reply” (to a stupid troll like question) being answered by me suggesting a lack of brain cells of the writer – others are left….

Free speech – nah – not any more – I’m done.

313677 ▶▶ Biker, replying to dhid, 4, #1510 of 2079 🔗

surely not? I thought i had a post censored and flounced off like you but i was mistaken and came back.

313681 ▶▶▶ dhid, replying to Biker, 1, #1511 of 2079 🔗

Well I even copied and pasted the comments into a decent text editor to do a search- def. not there.

313684 ▶▶▶▶ Biker, replying to dhid, 5, #1512 of 2079 🔗

That’s a bit much isn’t it. Come on Toby you fucking ugly irritating little fucker put the lads post back up, if you don’t then ever word you speak about free speech will be like a shit exploding from your arse into my Dry Martini

313692 ▶▶▶▶▶ dhid, replying to Biker, 2, #1513 of 2079 🔗

LOL! Martini eh?

I think I had better start on the “refreshments” now…..

Just the one – obvs!

313696 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Biker, replying to dhid, #1514 of 2079 🔗

I like mine shaken not stirred

313700 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ dhid, replying to Biker, #1515 of 2079 🔗

I think I’m a bit “stirred” at the moment….


313694 ▶▶▶▶▶ shorthand, replying to Biker, 3, #1516 of 2079 🔗

Just laughed so hard, milk sprayed out of my nostrils…!

313698 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Biker, replying to shorthand, 2, #1517 of 2079 🔗

people who know me say i’m a comedian and should be on the stage

313711 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ shorthand, replying to Biker, #1518 of 2079 🔗

Bad time for it old bean, what with cancel culture and dhid getting censored.

313719 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ dhid, replying to shorthand, #1519 of 2079 🔗

I admit it ended up a bit um… ripe language, but only because of the pompous response to a bit of an irritated response I gave to someone who clearly was a wind-up or troll or could/wouldn’t read properly.

313724 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ shorthand, replying to dhid, #1520 of 2079 🔗

Ah..now, the truth will out…….

313729 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ dhid, replying to shorthand, #1521 of 2079 🔗

I admit I am a very naughty boy sometimes – but there is a lot (lot lot) worse that doesn’t “disappear”.

313721 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ dhid, replying to Biker, #1522 of 2079 🔗

You certainly have cheered me up several times and I’ve had the coffee spray from the nose moment too!

313793 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ George L, replying to Biker, #1523 of 2079 🔗

Yeah.. sweeping it.. 😉

313796 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ dhid, replying to George L, #1524 of 2079 🔗

..naughty! Lol!

313702 ▶▶▶▶▶ Old Bill, replying to Biker, #1525 of 2079 🔗

Biker – “Bring me another Martini Jeeves.”

Certainly Sir.

313708 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ dhid, replying to Old Bill, #1526 of 2079 🔗

What number is that then?
Unless you’d rather not say…..

313709 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Old Bill, replying to dhid, #1527 of 2079 🔗

A Gentleman’s gentleman is always the soul of discretion.

313712 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ dhid, replying to Old Bill, #1528 of 2079 🔗

Ah yes I understand, good point!

314099 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ annie, replying to Old Bill, #1529 of 2079 🔗

Shaken not sweared.

313778 ▶▶▶▶▶ PoshPanic, replying to Biker, 1, #1530 of 2079 🔗

Can we let Biker have the update on Christmas eve?

313723 ▶▶▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to dhid, 1, #1531 of 2079 🔗

Maybe not all the posts are displayed at the same time, so the search might give no result. I’d be surprised if a comment is removed here. We all get a bit carried away now and then. I’ve not heard of a post being taken down.

313752 ▶▶▶▶▶ dhid, replying to Nick Rose, #1532 of 2079 🔗

Yes actually I discovered that the browser text search is a bit dependent on scrolling the whole comments, but this was this morning and I scrolled from what was the latest to the earliest.

I copied all into Notepad++ and the time scale covered from first post to what was current and it had disappeared.

btw – I have an old AV CD like your “mask” somewhere – I was hoping to find it for my next visit to Asda!

313914 ▶▶▶▶▶ crimsonpirate, replying to Nick Rose, #1533 of 2079 🔗

I find the CTRL+F doesn’t always work. I can find my comments if I click the icon at the top of the page and click through from there.

313682 ▶▶ NorthumbrianNomad, replying to dhid, 2, #1534 of 2079 🔗

Ad hominem used to mean something but now it’s just a cheat phrase that people can utter to banish arguments they don’t like

313687 ▶▶▶ dhid, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, 2, #1535 of 2079 🔗

Particularly when an unknown person me “dhid” is “attacking an unknown person or persons with weird letter/number monika!

313726 ▶▶▶ guy153, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, #1536 of 2079 🔗

Even worse is the “ab homini” or argument from authority.

313755 ▶▶▶▶ dhid, replying to guy153, 1, #1537 of 2079 🔗

Yes true.

313971 ▶▶ matt, replying to dhid, #1538 of 2079 🔗

Posts removed?

313672 Biker, replying to Biker, 40, #1539 of 2079 🔗

STV just had an advert from the Scottish Government saying we know Christmas will be different this year but we can all sit around in our Pyjamas and watch Catchphrase on TV with lots of grinning fuckers thinking this is great. They’re living in a dream world. They think we’re all understanding and willing but in reality millions are losing everything and are at breaking point.

313686 ▶▶ stefarm, replying to Biker, 11, #1540 of 2079 🔗

Add them to the list. STV are biggest fear mongering wankers of the lot, they even have the brass neck to show an advert about looking after our mental health.

313688 ▶▶ l835, replying to Biker, 20, #1541 of 2079 🔗

I’m hoping the cancellation of Christmas will finally wake people up, but doubt it. It will take the end of furlough and the treasury’s grab of savings to pay for it all, by which time it will be too late.

313706 ▶▶▶ Biker, replying to l835, 22, #1542 of 2079 🔗

I watched a film about the Holocaust once where there were jewish people telling others just to go in the showers and get clean and then everything will be ok. It seems humans will walk to their own deaths no fucking problem whatsoever. None of the covid gang will wake up, they’ve been asleep their whole fucking lives.

313746 ▶▶▶▶ l835, replying to Biker, 4, #1543 of 2079 🔗

“And the public wants what the public gets
But I don’t get what this society wants
I’m going underground”

The Jam.

313877 ▶▶▶▶▶ TJN, replying to l835, #1544 of 2079 🔗

This is Joe Public speaking – I’m controlled in the body, I’m controlled in the mind