Last updated2020-12-21T19:27:46



314368 The Walrus, replying to The Walrus, 20, #1 of 2329 🔗

First! From the USA

314369 ▶▶ Tom Blackburn, replying to The Walrus, 4, #2 of 2329 🔗

goo goo g’joob

314390 ▶▶▶ Sir Patrick Vaccine, replying to Tom Blackburn, 10, #3 of 2329 🔗

dear Tom

My Apology To Facebook about Covid 19 facts


314400 ▶▶▶▶ annie, replying to Sir Patrick Vaccine, 14, #4 of 2329 🔗

JP is one of my heroes.
I think we should create an LS Award for people like him.

316006 ▶▶▶▶▶ Sir Patrick Vaccine, replying to annie, #5 of 2329 🔗

Sir Desmond Swayne Interview Exposes BBC Hypocrisy As They Help The Government Hide From Scrutiny

314502 ▶▶▶▶ Judy watson, replying to Sir Patrick Vaccine, #6 of 2329 🔗


314626 ▶▶▶▶ Spikedee1, replying to Sir Patrick Vaccine, 3, #7 of 2329 🔗

He is so funny. Especially as this is seriously dangerous for his business. But he does not back down. If only the pig dictator had an ounce of his courage.

315496 ▶▶▶ richard riewer, replying to Tom Blackburn, 1, #8 of 2329 🔗

Semolina pilchards climbing up the Eiffel Tower…

314371 ▶▶ karenovirus, replying to The Walrus, 21, #9 of 2329 🔗

Good morning Walrus.

hancock: the mutant strain can be caught
“more easily from a smaller amount of the virus being present”

Cock & Bull more likely.

314375 ▶▶▶ The Walrus, replying to karenovirus, 22, #10 of 2329 🔗

Exactly. I don’t believe there is anyway they can know that the virus can be caught more easily. Also, if the PCR test can pick up mutated versions of “COVID-19” maybe it’s also registering other corona viruses as COVID also, such as the common cold. Would certainly explain the seasonal rise in cases.

314378 ▶▶▶▶ karenovirus, replying to The Walrus, 11, #11 of 2329 🔗

I’m feeling a bit chesty and have a runny nose at the moment so would probably test positive even though the symptoms are suppressed with Lemsip capsules and I can tell from the taste that it is what I sometimes get this time of year.

314476 ▶▶▶▶▶ Jonathan Smith, replying to karenovirus, 4, #12 of 2329 🔗

I prefer the Lemsip drink. It’s lovely.

314582 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ crimsonpirate, replying to Jonathan Smith, 4, #13 of 2329 🔗

and on discount along with strepsils and nurofen. That’s a first

314750 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Basics, replying to Jonathan Smith, 4, #14 of 2329 🔗

Chopped/diced root ginger left in a flask for 20 -30 mins is good. Honey and/or a cinnamon stick to taste if required.

315062 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Jonathan Smith, replying to Basics, 3, #15 of 2329 🔗

Put some whisky in and that sounds ok

315398 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Jonathan Smith, 2, #16 of 2329 🔗

Laphraoigh, neat, as a nightcap.

315499 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ richard riewer, replying to karenovirus, 1, #17 of 2329 🔗

Leap Frog. One of the best. Too expensive here in Montreal.

315057 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to Jonathan Smith, 3, #18 of 2329 🔗

The lemon flavour is the best. Avoid the blackcurrant one.

314562 ▶▶▶▶▶ Jez Hewitt, replying to karenovirus, 5, #19 of 2329 🔗

Wait, the vaccine is available in capsules?

315059 ▶▶▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to karenovirus, 2, #20 of 2329 🔗

Green tea with honey is also good.

315500 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ richard riewer, replying to Bart Simpson, #21 of 2329 🔗

Jasmine tea with honey.

315755 ▶▶▶▶▶ Cheshirecatslave, replying to karenovirus, 1, #22 of 2329 🔗

Elderberry tincture is great for colds and flu.

314401 ▶▶▶▶ karenovirus, replying to The Walrus, 27, #23 of 2329 🔗

Channel 4 News
‘New variant is out of control says health secretary’

Mutant Matt is out of control. There are mechanisms for removing military offices from power when they become deranged. How is such a minister removed ?

From the quotes
“Necessity is plea for every restriction on human freedom. It is the argument of tyrants; it is the creed of slaves”

William Pitt The Younger

314938 ▶▶▶▶▶ J4mes, replying to karenovirus, 3, #24 of 2329 🔗

Even if there is a mechanism to remove Madcock and Co., they would ignore it or remove any chance of it being actioned.

314473 ▶▶▶▶ Jonathan Smith, replying to The Walrus, 8, #25 of 2329 🔗

How have they identified 1100 +individuals with this variant? Full sequencing of the genome? I doubt that somehow. The number was very specific. Are these people taking part in studies like the ONS survey?

314393 ▶▶ PatrickF, replying to The Walrus, 5, #26 of 2329 🔗

I am the Egg man, you are the Walrus.

314569 ▶▶▶ Thomas_E, replying to PatrickF, 2, #27 of 2329 🔗

Does that mean that I’m here and you are her e and we here, together?

314755 ▶▶▶ Basics, replying to PatrickF, 1, #28 of 2329 🔗

Coo~coo coo choob

314428 ▶▶ Bugle, replying to The Walrus, 1, #29 of 2329 🔗

Our only friend…

314902 ▶▶ OKUK, replying to The Walrus, 4, #30 of 2329 🔗

You may have been first in reality – everyone can see that – but the certified result shows you were second, so that’s what we’re going with.

315258 ▶▶ sam, replying to The Walrus, 1, #31 of 2329 🔗

wlarus do you know how to find lockdown protests in the usa? i cant figure it out

315267 ▶▶ James Leary #KBF, replying to The Walrus, #32 of 2329 🔗

Zip code? QR scan please? That reminds me, I owe Clark County Treasurer my Jan property tax payment. Thanks! This is really a useful website.

314370 BuildVaccineTrust, replying to BuildVaccineTrust, 38, #33 of 2329 🔗

There is a major ethical problem with the vaccine release that isn’t being covered (and emails to lockdown skeptics go unanswered). This info is about the US, but the UK also isn’t telling people about a major risk factor:

The Emergency Use Authorization for the Pfizer vaccine, and its briefing document for the review meeting, states there is an unknown risk of future vaccine enhanced disease (which includes other potential enhancement modes and not just antibody enhancement) after the initial immunity fades:

“The Sponsor identified vaccine-associated enhanced disease including vaccine-associated enhanced respiratory disease as an important potential risk [….] risk of vaccine-enhanced disease over time, potentially associated with waning immunity, remains unknown and needs to be evaluated further in ongoing clinical trials and in observational studies that could be conducted following authorization and/or licensure.”

i.e. the study simply hasn’t gone on long enough to see if people have sterilizing immunity producing the initial good results that fades, and then when people do actually get infections: the immune response they learned from the vaccine might lead to a worse case of covid-19. Hopefully not: but the trials just haven’t run long enough to demonstrate that.

Yet the FDA isn’t telling patients about this risk, nor is the media. The FDA’s fact sheet for recipients of the Pfizer vaccine for covid-19 is here and there isn’t a peep about it:

Nor is there in its doc for healthcare providers, nor is it in the UK’s NHS or Canadian equivalents.

An International Journal of Clinical Practice article on
“Informed consent disclosure to vaccine trial subjects of risk of COVID‐19 vaccines worsening clinical disease”

explains that the vaccine trials didn’t meet medical ethics standards regarding fully informed consent since the issue of vaccine enhanced disease wasn’t explained in a way they’d comprehend. The FDA’s information doesn’t even mention it, let alone explain it in the way people comprehend, which seems an obviously major violation of medical ethics. Its also doesn’t make sense: since enough people will likely risk it anyway, but they should get that choice because even some experts wouldn’t yet.

If they don’t correct this soon, and chalk it up to an oversight in the rush to get this out the door: it risks a backlash in a few months if the public becomes generally aware of it, akin to the backlash after the Tuskegee study where participants weren’t fully informed. They’ll wonder: “If you didn’t tell us about this risk, what else aren’t you telling us, why should we trust it?”. People can understand that trials are still ongoing: they won’t understand not informing them of risks since it looks like a coverup, even if in theory they could have hunted through the FDA’s more technical documents to find it.

Experts apparently don’t agree on the magnitude of the risk: which is why its particularly important for it to be disclosed for public debate. Media in countries hit hard by COVID-19 haven’t called attention to the issue to date. In contrast a Japanese paper quoted the director of the Japanese Society of Clinical Virology: “Concerns over ADE still remain. I am an elderly person myself, but if I were asked, I would say I don’t want to get a shot.”
Elsewhere he explained: “In the past, a dengue vaccine proved effective in tests and was widely used, but then it worsened symptoms for people who were still getting infected.”. A leading professor of Immunology testified to Japan’s House of Representatives: “There’s no doubt that their effectiveness is quite high, but their safety is not guaranteed at all”.

Its also the case that many studies *do* see concerns over potential vaccine enhanced disease in this case. Severe covid isn’t due to a lack of immune response: but a dysfunctional immune response. One study termed it an “uncoordinated” response. Will the response that occurs after the vaccine fades be a functional one, or an “uncoordinated” one? That paper suggests there is a risk that vaccines that only target the spike may be at risk of vaccine enhanced disease. Regardless, since they don’t understand fully the broken response with severe covid-19, its unclear how they can yet be certain what the odds are the vaccine will be more or less likely to trigger a broken immune response that leads to severe illness. Hopefully not: the tests just haven’t gone on long enough to demonstrate it.

The links to the various studies I mentioned are on BuildVaccineTrust.com where I put together information out of frustration that I didn’t see it being addressed. Its focused on government and academic journal links and expert references for people to evaluate

314377 ▶▶ The Walrus, replying to BuildVaccineTrust, 36, #34 of 2329 🔗

If the vaccine does indeed result in an ADE response, causing more severe COVID, no doubt it will be blamed on a new strain of the virus instead of the vaccine. I think this is a very possible outcome and a key reason I will not be taking the vaccine.

314385 ▶▶▶ Lisa (formerly) from Toronto, replying to The Walrus, 23, #35 of 2329 🔗

You’re quite right that the vaccine will somehow not be to blame. Every past coronavirus vaccine attempt has resulted in an ADE response so there’s no reason to believe this one will be any different. I’ll be taking a pass on it as well.

315648 ▶▶▶▶ richard riewer, replying to Lisa (formerly) from Toronto, 1, #36 of 2329 🔗

Are you familiar with Amazing Polly?

315684 ▶▶▶▶▶ James, replying to richard riewer, 1, #37 of 2329 🔗

Yes,I am. I recently watched an inspiring little podcast by her about the hidden dangers of passive compliance around mask wearing. She is worth supporting.

316651 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ richard riewer, replying to James, #38 of 2329 🔗


314629 ▶▶▶ Flip Jackson Gibbons, replying to The Walrus, 4, #39 of 2329 🔗

Exactly. Have thought this all along. They’ll never blame the ‘holy’ vaccine in a million years.

314704 ▶▶▶ Brett_McS, replying to The Walrus, 5, #40 of 2329 🔗

Not just that, but once the ‘vaccine’ was rolled out, HCQ was approved for use for Covid cases by the FDA in the US. Any improvement due to HCQ will no doubt be credited to the ‘vaccine’.

314419 ▶▶ lapogus, replying to BuildVaccineTrust, 11, #41 of 2329 🔗

I read about ADE a couple of months ago – “Is a Coronavirus Vaccine a Ticking Time Bomb?”    “Antibody Dependent Enhancement (ADE), and is a common problem with Dengue Virus, Ebola Virus, HIV, RSV, and the family of coronaviruses. In fact, this problem of ADE is a major reason why many previous vaccine trials for other coronaviruses failed. Major safety concerns were observed in animal models. If ADE occurs in an individual, their response to the virus can be worse than their response if they had never developed an antibody in the first place.”  – Dr Doug, Aug 15th 2020 – https://sciencewithdrdoug.com/2020/08/01/is-a-coronavirus-vaccine-a-ticking-time-bomb/

314447 ▶▶▶ Sophie123, replying to lapogus, 23, #42 of 2329 🔗

It’s definitely a thing. I work for a major vaccine developer, and it’s something the scientific community is very aware of as a concern.

One of the difficulties though with this vaccine is that if you are vaccinating the over 90s they are likely to die soon anyway, and before this becomes a potential issue. It’s when you start in younger people that the issue might be spotted. And it may take years before their immunity has waned enough for this to become a factor. Time bomb indeed. I think I will give it a miss.

314445 ▶▶ Ovis, replying to BuildVaccineTrust, 5, #43 of 2329 🔗

Better keep taking the boosters then 😀

This will be an even better investment than buying shares in facemasks in February! With no downside, because in a fascist state political cover is 100 percent effective.

315151 ▶▶ MadJock1, replying to BuildVaccineTrust, 2, #44 of 2329 🔗

I believe this is the third consecutive day this same post has appeared in the comments. Might it be better posted in the forum so that all the replies are together ?

315247 ▶▶▶ J4mes, replying to MadJock1, 2, #45 of 2329 🔗

This comments section can sometimes be as maddening as the whole scamdemic, noting the daily rush to be the first plonker to post ‘first’. The articles above also only concern themselves with disproving this scamdemic, and not sparing enough attention to what or who is driving this. This encourages a shadow boxing response where most people don’t even know what we’re dealing with, they’re just encouraged to get angry at the finer details.

315333 ▶▶▶ BuildVaccineTrust, replying to MadJock1, 2, #46 of 2329 🔗

Its been posted in the forums: but those don’t seem to be very active and it isn’t getting responses. The ideal place is in the blog itself: but emails to the address given for the blog don’t lead to any responses. Perhaps others could take a try to get the blog to post about the issue.

315335 ▶▶▶ BuildVaccineTrust, replying to MadJock1, 1, #47 of 2329 🔗

Its been posted in the forums: but those don’t seem to be very active and it isn’t getting responses. The ideal place is in the blog itself: but emails to the address given for the blog don’t lead to any reply. Perhaps others could take a try to get the blog to post about the issue.

315407 ▶▶▶ karenovirus, replying to MadJock1, 1, #48 of 2329 🔗

I had thought that but this post is still attracting upticks and new responses from readers who had perhaps missed it previously.

314374 karenovirus, replying to karenovirus, 21, #49 of 2329 🔗

The Independent reports hundreds of demonstrators in London just before tier 4.
Congratulations to all and good luck to the 26 arrested.

Meanwhile Local Live (mirror group news) reports that a single person sadlidied of covid over the weekend at the major regional hospital.
No wonder the government need to shut the country down in time to cancel Christmas just to fuel johnsons fantasy of equalling Churchill in his battle against Catatonic Coronovirus.

314394 ▶▶ PatrickF, replying to karenovirus, 8, #50 of 2329 🔗

When is a thousand a hundred? When you work for the MSM.

314402 ▶▶ annie, replying to karenovirus, 4, #51 of 2329 🔗

It’s Bozo who is catatonic. Any apparent brain function is just somebody jerking the strings.

314404 ▶▶ Mark H, replying to karenovirus, 7, #52 of 2329 🔗

“Sadlidied” 😂 😂 😂

314412 ▶▶▶ annie, replying to Mark H, 6, #53 of 2329 🔗

Alathea invented the word. For alleged Covvideaths, no other will do.

314716 ▶▶▶▶ Alethea, replying to annie, 6, #54 of 2329 🔗

No, I can’t take the credit – it was Northumbrian Nomad. I merely adopted it because it is darling.

316090 ▶▶▶▶▶ annie, replying to Alethea, #55 of 2329 🔗

Happilithanks, NN!

314379 ▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Liewe, #57 of 2329 🔗

Screenshot of that for use in live conversations.

314384 ▶▶▶ Liewe, replying to karenovirus, 5, #58 of 2329 🔗

12 tested KN95 mask brands used in SA fail international safety standards — UCT studyDecember 16th, 2020 Research Africa

All the Chinese KN95 masks, widely imported into South Africa to counter the COVID-19 pandemic, tested in a University of Cape Town study, failed to provide the protection provided by the ‘gold standard’ N95 mask, reports MedicalBrief .
The study, published in the SA Medical Journal , found that none of the 12 brands of KN95 masks tested (comprising 36 masks) met stipulated safety requirements known to prevent infection by dangerous respiratory pathogens including (tuberculosis) and SARS-CoV-2.
The study, notes that the N95 mask (FFP2 in Europe) is the primary mode of respiratory protection in most parts of the world because of the high regulatory standards to which it is manufactured. However, owing to the severe global shortage of N95 masks during the COVID-19 pandemic, there has been a growing demand for N95-like FFRs. The most commonly available substitute for the N95 mask has been the KN95 mask, which is mainly manufactured in China to the GB2626-2006 standard, and which is considered equivalent to the N95
by the US Food And Drug Administration (FDA) following Emergency Use Authorisation based on testing of filtration efficacy of the mask material.
“The manufacture of N95-like masks remains highly regulated in order to ensure that they filter out at least 95% of penetrating aerosol particles ≥0.3 µm in diameter, fit tightly to maximise the passage of inhaled air through the filter fabric of the mask, and have low inhalational resistance to minimise breathing difficulty. There has been a growing concern about the quality of the circulating supplies of N95-like masks
in many parts of the world, including the circulation of counterfeit masks.
The study concludes” “Our results are concerning because none of the KN95 masks tested met stipulated safety requirements, including passing the seal test and the qualitative fit test, and mask material filtration efficacy. We recommend stronger oversight by regulatory agencies such as the SA Health Products Regulatory Authority to enforce recently published amended regulations and extend this to manufacturers and distributors.

314398 ▶▶▶▶ Bella Donna, replying to Liewe, 2, #59 of 2329 🔗

Oh dear!

314577 ▶▶▶▶▶ Nigel Sherratt, replying to Bella Donna, 5, #60 of 2329 🔗

Pity the poor bastards who actually need one for work to keep gunk out of their lungs.

314380 Richard O, replying to Richard O, 109, #61 of 2329 🔗

We are very close now to the point where millions of people who have been relatively comfortable thus far are really going to start to feel the pain of the consequences of their compliance. The invoice for our dreadful collective mistakes of 2020 is due in 2021, and it is going to be very, very big indeed. The absolute best case scenario is a popular rebellion that unseats the government and lifts all the restrictions, but with many harsh years of rebuilding ahead of us to repair all the damage. Last chance saloon and all that.

314397 ▶▶ Bella Donna, replying to Richard O, 26, #62 of 2329 🔗

I agree with your assessment. Many people haven’t been feeling the pinch, public sector workers have got off very lightly so far. There’s going to be a reckoning very soon.

314432 ▶▶▶ Biker, replying to Bella Donna, 31, #63 of 2329 🔗

No there’s not, the british public are just fucking dandy with the whole thing. Do be confident that this will pass. They will kill us if we don’t go along with them. We are never getting free from them. I’ll believe we will when we see the likes of Johnstone and sturgeon swinging from a lamp post however that is never gonna be the case and we now live under global tyranny and there isn’t a thing you can do about it. No wait, sorry they’re just incompetent say the liars and the tell tales who come here. Face it there are handful of genuine skeptics but that is all.

314454 ▶▶▶▶ TJN, replying to Biker, 19, #64 of 2329 🔗

The Great British Public might be dandy with it now, but they’re comfortably numb. When the bills and consequences start coming in, as they inevitably must, the comfort blanket will disappear like snow in spring sunshine, and there will be a reckoning, which won’t be pretty and which will affect all of us deeply in one way or another.

314463 ▶▶▶▶▶ Biker, replying to TJN, 14, #65 of 2329 🔗

I keep hearing when the bill comes in, sometime downtime road etc but i don’t see it. Not gonna happen. This tiers system will be applied to towns so we won’t be leaving our towns and we won’t know what is going on in other towns because the internet is going away too. I keep saying this and everyone keeps ignoring it, they are shutting down the fossil fuel industry because they planet is totally fucked. This is the start of it. Seven billion people are gonna go. This time next year we’ll be reminiscing about how good life was back when all we had to do was wear a mask.

314480 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ TJN, replying to Biker, 21, #66 of 2329 🔗

Lockdown’s just fine if you’re home on 80% money, feeling virtuous about it, and, as you put it, stuffing doughnuts – for most people anyway.

But facts are stubborn things. And numbers with pound note signs in front of them are – eventually – even more stubborn.

Didn’t someone say that any organised society is only five missing meals away from anarchy? Something like that anyway. As the saying goes, food first ethics second (again, something like that).

I guess that when the Collapse comes you’ll be holed up at Cape Wrath and go down in a scene redolent of Mad Maz.

I’ll get to Land’s End and escape in a small boat, and lose my pursuers in the tides and currents around the Longships rocks. Thereafter I’ll wander strange lands with a price on my head. These will later become known as my Wilderness Years. But the inherent inconsistencies in the New World Order will lead eventually to its collapse, and I will return as King. First to be sorted will be journalists, then academics …

Meanwhile, better get the kids some breakfast. Solstice in two hours.

314488 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Biker, replying to TJN, 10, #67 of 2329 🔗

Lockdown is not fine for those on 80% money. maybe if you’re on 80% of three grand a week but since most people are on less than 500 quid a week losing 20% has been a deal breaker. When the end comes i’ll be rounded up like the rest of us. How the fuck are we gonna be able to stop any of it?

314534 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ TJN, replying to Biker, 4, #68 of 2329 🔗

When they kick at your front door

How you gonna come?

With your hands on your head

Or on the trigger of your gun?

When the law break in

How you gonna go?

Shot down on the pavement

Or waiting on death row?

I’ll probably just crack a few jokes and pretend I know something they don’t.

Some of the furlough fiddles I’ve heard about are obscene. The people I know on furlough have been fine with it, even though it’s meant less money. Clearly some are suffering though – thing is, they’re spread around and unconnected. Once the suffering becomes joined up, and the reaction organised, things will be different.

314989 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Biker, replying to TJN, 3, #69 of 2329 🔗

As much as i love the Clash they were only pretending to be rebels

315069 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ TJN, replying to Biker, 3, #70 of 2329 🔗

Yes, I’d go along with that. They were just a laugh really, but a good one. Never have taken ‘political’ bands seriously.

‘Sing along with Bono and save the World’

No thanks.

314988 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Rowan, replying to Biker, 5, #71 of 2329 🔗

Just make sure that when they come for you, that you will take one of them with you.

314580 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Jo Dominich, replying to TJN, 13, #72 of 2329 🔗

Shelter said people were just three paychecks away from homelessness. I can vouch for this as some years ago I nearly was. People now having to go on UC are finding it not fit for purpose. It’s all building nicely.

314612 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ TJN, replying to Jo Dominich, 6, #73 of 2329 🔗

And the sooner the damn breaks the better imv, as the longer this goes on the more damage will entail.

314579 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Thomas_E, replying to Biker, 10, #74 of 2329 🔗

Agree with that Biker..I have bee n trying to put this point across for months but I’m just tired now. This whole notion of us ” Winning” is so delusional it’ actually borders to deranged . I have seen war first hand and the situation we are under now is far off winning in any shape or form that it’s not even on the radar. The best we can hope so is survival or a quick demise.

314621 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ TJN, replying to Thomas_E, 8, #75 of 2329 🔗

No one ‘wins’ out of this as such, just as no one actually ‘wins’ in war – we’re all worse off in the end. I keep telling people that even for those who are for now relatively unaffected there are very hard times ahead for the great majority of us – the country has pissed its wealth away on nothing.

But if ‘winning’ is defined as getting to a point where we can start rebuilding society again on decent foundations then I’ll take that, whatever we want to call it.

314998 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Rowan, replying to Thomas_E, 5, #76 of 2329 🔗

Survival will be difficult, but why let them get off without a fight. Take at least one of the bastards with you.

314981 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Rowan, replying to Biker, 6, #77 of 2329 🔗

Yes indeed, you really know what’s going on. Some of those who are really running the scam may actually believe that the planet is, as you say “totally fucked”, while others just want the place for themselves. Either way, we are not wanted and they are working hard to get rid of us. As Bill Gates told us in 2010, vaccines are the perfect way to cull the population. No guns, no gore, just frighten them enough and they will be begging for the lethal injection. You’ve got to admire the audacity of it.

315163 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ J4mes, replying to Biker, 7, #78 of 2329 🔗

Again I must say that I made ominous predictions back in Spring about how this will play out – so far I’ve been right (not because I’m a smart arse, but because this deliberate collapse of society has been planned for years and discussed amongst people who the public laughed at as being tin-hat-wearing conspiracy theorists). I was predictably mocked here on this site by the more popular posters for being miserable – particularly for saying Christmas will be cancelled. You know who you are!

Well look at us now.

And as you say, this is not going to get better. And I agree, the public will not revolt. They’ve spent years in a coma-like state of consumerism while the criminal actions of their governments only affected people abroad at the same time as mentally conditioning the population to be more obedient through political correctness.

I continue to implore those who are brave enough to accept the reality of what is happening to start taking decisive action to better prepare for what ‘they’ have install for us in the next few years.

315874 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Borisbullshit, replying to J4mes, 1, #79 of 2329 🔗

Tell us who mocked you so we can mock them!

316579 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ James Leary #KBF, replying to Biker, 1, #80 of 2329 🔗

I think you’ll find the planet is a bit stronger than all of us put together. It’s the height of human arrogance to imagine anything we fleas could to to an elephant’s hide would even be noticed by nature. CO2 was 5 times higher than now when dinosaurs roamed the earth, and it coped very well, thank you very much. All the greenhouse gasses man has ever put in the atmosphere ever since the dawn is only 2% by weight of what is there naturally, NOW. Never mind the fact that there was once 5 times as much. Grow up.

314763 ▶▶▶▶ peyrole, replying to Biker, 8, #81 of 2329 🔗

The problem is that with negative interest on government gilts, they are being paid to borrow money. So the ability to pay furlough and the large percentage of public employees is not a worry for a long time. If you add in the employees of large corporates who mainly have remained unscathed through this, you are left with the smaller retail, entertainment, leisure sector and some small/middle sized commercial/manufacturing employers many of whom are going under, but a lot of their employees are covered by furlough.
I can’t see where this mass of unemployed AND unpaid is coming from. As long as they keep this model intact they will survive in government because most people still have enough to lose by popular revolt.
The only way it changes is through the discontent of tory mps who think they will lose seats at a GE, and that is still years away. And the way the UK is going it might be wishful to think there will be one in the foreseable future.
The one thing that could change the balance is no deal at Transend. Things could get very tough, although again it will take time for people to realise how tough. No food in supermarkets and/or very rapid price increases could do it, although I suspect that this latest ‘new strain’ con is a first run at blaming those effects on covid rather than trade.

314846 ▶▶▶▶▶ TJN, replying to peyrole, 7, #82 of 2329 🔗

Doesn’t it all depend on how long QE can be kept going?

They can’t go on debasing the currency indefinitely.

And this QE is different from back in 2009-10 (when it went largely to banks). This time it’s going straight into people’s pockets, in lieu of wages – a sure route to inflation, and lots of it.

315129 ▶▶▶▶ J4mes, replying to Biker, #83 of 2329 🔗

You speak of genuine skeptics but I wonder how many of those understand that even the Great Reset is misunderstood (deliberately) as entirely a change of economics? The 3rd Temple is being rebuilt, there are no coincidences.

315861 ▶▶▶ ianric, replying to Bella Donna, 4, #84 of 2329 🔗

Regardless of your financial situation, lockdown is goin to affect you :-

  • Not being to have a social life as something as simple as seeing family and friends is criminalized.
  • Being denied acccess to medical care.
  • Not being able to engage in leisure activities such as eating out, going to pubs, gyms and travel.
  • Even if your job is secure, you may have family and friends who have lost their jobs which may affect you. For instance, if your partner looses their job you have a reduced income.
  • Not being able to protest.
  • Being restricted how many can attend weddings and funerals.
314422 ▶▶ Paulus, replying to Richard O, 28, #85 of 2329 🔗

The gift that keeps on giving. As someone said recently no country has ever successfully improved the health of a nation by making its population poorer.

314430 ▶▶ Biker, replying to Richard O, 37, #86 of 2329 🔗

You’re dreaming pal. 80% of more of the population are right fucking behind this. A truth the Germans still struggle with is almost everyone became a Nazi and did not give a fuck about the killing of jews, children, anyone in fact who wasn’t one of them. After the war millions of German men all of whom had commit the worst atrocities you can imagine just went back to normal life. The British people once so mighty are now nothing but the scum of the earth and will jump on your head till your dead without a single compulsion. It’s a terrifying situation where us handful of skeptics will be taken out no fucking problem.

314491 ▶▶▶ Ovis, replying to Biker, 17, #87 of 2329 🔗

No, genuine support is not 80percent. People don’t know what to do, and they hope this will just blow over without action from them. But the Corona’s Witnesses are a minority, with little potential of further growth and apostasies every day.

The believers are getting more vocal, however.

314498 ▶▶▶▶ Biker, replying to Ovis, 1, #88 of 2329 🔗

You’re right it’s probably more like 95 % support it

314604 ▶▶▶▶▶ Kevin 2, replying to Biker, 14, #89 of 2329 🔗

Depends how you mean ‘support’.
Most just go with flow, as they cannot conceive, comprehend or countenance the notion that the Globalists are trying to destroy the country, with the knowing or unknowing collusion of the Govt.

I would agree the capacity for true independent thought, resides in just a small percentage.
Likewise the full-on Branch Covidian zealots represent a small percentage.

314584 ▶▶▶▶ Thomas_E, replying to Ovis, 3, #90 of 2329 🔗

You are right about that.It’s NOT 80 percent, not even close. Probably more like 98-99%.

315901 ▶▶▶▶▶ Borisbullshit, replying to Thomas_E, 1, #91 of 2329 🔗

99% maskoids in Morrisons today!

315029 ▶▶▶▶ Rowan, replying to Ovis, 1, #92 of 2329 🔗

Yes, it’s easy to go along with things until the shit hits the fan as it will and fairly soon at that. The corrupt government is running us onto the rocks at full speed and they are doing it intentionally working to the WEF agenda. Expect power outages and basic food shortages before the end of winter. A deliberately contrived no deal Brexit, will also help them further turn the screw.

314526 ▶▶▶ Sasha, replying to Biker, #93 of 2329 🔗

“The British people once so mighty are now nothing but the scum of the earth and will jump on your head till your dead without a single compulsion.”


And your evidence for this is what, exactly?

314600 ▶▶▶▶ Thomas_E, replying to Sasha, 27, #94 of 2329 🔗

The evidence is there for everyone to see ( or NO to see to be precise). No mass disobedience, mask wearing on public transport around 99%, on the streets around 60% but going up, every single liberty and rights taken away from us but no protests ( only whimpers of the protests). London, city of 11 millions in a country of 66 millions has produced 2000 protesters at a lockdown protest. When the Great Dictator allowed people to see some live sports 10000 people signed up for the waiting list to see a Championship side playing average football ( my team). If we were wrong there would be a millions people marching or more ( remember the Iraq anti war protests!!) every weekend , weekdays etc.. British people have no fight left in them, none. Our ancestors who fought in WW1 and WW2 are spinning in their graves. Good for them that almost all of them are dead now, they would spit on us in the street

315911 ▶▶▶▶▶ Borisbullshit, replying to Thomas_E, 7, #95 of 2329 🔗

People demonstrated in huge numbers against the death of a drug addict ex armed robber 4000 miles away. Yet they are unwilling to protest about their own freedoms being obliterated and their jobs, businesses and economy being destroyed. The great British Public have a very strange sense of priorities.

314995 ▶▶▶▶ Biker, replying to Sasha, 5, #96 of 2329 🔗

we sell weapons to despots and no one gives a fuck, i could list things all day long but what’s the point

315906 ▶▶▶▶ Borisbullshit, replying to Sasha, #97 of 2329 🔗

Everything I see around me whenever I go into towns.

315643 ▶▶▶ J4mes, replying to Biker, 1, #98 of 2329 🔗

How did this ridiculous post garner so much support? You don’t know your history pal, and you certainly don’t speak accurately of British people.

315898 ▶▶▶ Borisbullshit, replying to Biker, 5, #99 of 2329 🔗

Your view is borne out by my outing for a pub meal today in Tier 2 in Cheshire. All the tables I could hear near us were saying how well the pub had done to keep us safe and how they were all terrified. 3 women even put their masks on for a photo at the table! I presume that photo will be used for virtue signalling later on social media. The only people who I come across who are sceptic are working class male tradesmen like the 2 blokes who tiled my kitchen yesterday who agreed it was all bollocks. However they said some customers made them wear masks on the job and stayed in separate parts of the house!

314503 ▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to Richard O, 13, #100 of 2329 🔗

Agree. Those who are in cushy jobs in the public sector, media have not been impacted at all. Same with those who are retired and sitting on huge savings and generous pension schemes. And many in this group have been the loudest in calling for more lockdowns, restrictions and still brainwashed to the point of supporting this latest travesty.

The day of reckoning won’t be kind to them and I shan’t feel sorry for them. They’re complicit in all this and the least they can do is to finally feel what it’s been like for the rest of us for the past 9 months.

314507 ▶▶▶ Judy watson, replying to Bart Simpson, 31, #101 of 2329 🔗

Please don’t class all retirees as lockdownistas. I certainly aint and many others share my views.

314551 ▶▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to Judy watson, 4, #102 of 2329 🔗

Did you read my comment? I did say “many in this group” so I’m not saying that all retirees are lockdownistas.

314570 ▶▶▶▶ Nigel Sherratt, replying to Judy watson, 6, #103 of 2329 🔗

Agreed, but the fear porn is effective. Even those previously asking for a place on the final cruise on the Swale now anxious about new variant rona.

314916 ▶▶▶▶▶ tonyspurs, replying to Nigel Sherratt, 2, #104 of 2329 🔗

They’ve set up an asymptomatic testing station on the Island and it’s rammo with all the idiots

314752 ▶▶▶▶ Lyra Silvertongue, replying to Judy watson, 17, #105 of 2329 🔗

Damn right. The majority of the most disobedient people I know have been those in their 70s and 80s. Particularly with masks and sitting apart. And they’re always polite in explaining why they aren’t going to do what they’re told.

314918 ▶▶▶▶▶ Yawnyaman, replying to Lyra Silvertongue, 8, #106 of 2329 🔗

I’ve seen plenty of rebellious teenagers too. Whole load of them fooling around on the bus the other day, none of them masked of course.

315705 ▶▶▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to Lyra Silvertongue, 1, #107 of 2329 🔗

I’m sometimes polite, sometimes rude. 🙂 It depends.

316643 ▶▶▶▶▶ richard riewer, replying to Lyra Silvertongue, #108 of 2329 🔗

Baby Boomers Rule!

315811 ▶▶▶▶ Rowan, replying to Judy watson, 1, #109 of 2329 🔗

And I’m one of them.

315918 ▶▶▶▶ Borisbullshit, replying to Judy watson, 1, #110 of 2329 🔗

I agree there are exceptions like on here but I think they are hugely outnumbered by the smug ones who are on guaranteed incomes.

315916 ▶▶▶ Borisbullshit, replying to Bart Simpson, 2, #111 of 2329 🔗

The comfortably off retired really dont give a shit to be honest. I know as I have some in my family….no longer speaking of course! They come out with crap like ‘we are all in it together’. Tell that to the little people who have had their incomes destroyed. Believe me they dont give a shit.

316064 ▶▶▶ Just Ice, replying to Bart Simpson, 1, #112 of 2329 🔗

Didn’t you post this exact thing yesterday on another subject? Do you only have one point to make or are you just programmed to add comments to stir up dissent between young and old like so many of the fake posters on this website do? You’re so easy to spot and if you’re a person being paid for doing this I feel very sorry for you

315232 ▶▶ Ben, replying to Richard O, 14, #113 of 2329 🔗

If the Corona Scandal house-of-cards ever collapses, then we will be extremely lucky indeed. But the human race has proven itself to be less intelligent than I thought

In this moment civilisation is on a knife-edge. It could so easily tip into global fascism. All veneer, illusion, pretence of democracy and society will be discarded. Concentration camps, immunity passports, poverty, starvation, fascist governance, police brutality will become the norm

If humanity has a second chance, then I hope people will remember the toxic nature of the mainstream media and the way it betrayed humanity. I hope televisions will find new homes in dumpsters and that the BBC is defunded. That YouTube, Twitter and Facebook are never allowed to ban content for political reasons again

Crucially, laws need creating that protect human rights, giving them priority over any health crisis that might occur in the future, and Government ministers and MPs must be prevented from involvement in policy creation if they are found to have conflicts of interest. This would mean the likes of Patrick Vallance et al would be banned from the roles they have now

316649 ▶▶ rondo, replying to Richard O, 1, #114 of 2329 🔗

“The unknowing are slaves to the liars*.”

314381 Judy watson, replying to Judy watson, #115 of 2329 🔗

With regards to the gender debate I live in Thailand and I asked about the ‘ladyboys’ and their id cards/passports. Apparently even with a total sex-change(as it used to be called) id cards cannot be changed even when they are now different to their birth gender.

I could be wrong but there doesn’t seem to be any backlash at the government about this.

314497 ▶▶ NorthumbrianNomad, replying to Judy watson, #116 of 2329 🔗

I must confess I don’t know which toilets they use. But never having seen one in a male toilet I’m guessing the women’s. I suppose it’s just such an accepted part of the culture here that nobody bothers.

314516 ▶▶▶ Judy watson, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, 3, #117 of 2329 🔗

You must go to some posh places. Most I go to have only one toilet

314615 ▶▶▶▶ NorthumbrianNomad, replying to Judy watson, #118 of 2329 🔗

Really? How friendly. Last night I was at a place where they have one gents’ cubicle and one ladies’. The gents’ being occupied, and my time being short, I ducked into the ladies’, on the basis that the restaurant was pretty quiet. Needless to say, when I emerged there was a woman waiting outside and her outraged stare turned me into a pillar of salt. A whole new meaning to the phrase “walk of shame”.

(Sorry to stray so far off topic, but the topic is about as much fun as strangulated haemorrhoids at the moment.)

314564 ▶▶▶ Nigel Sherratt, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, #119 of 2329 🔗

I thought keeping the old meat and two veg was part of it as on Boogie Street.

314617 ▶▶▶▶ NorthumbrianNomad, replying to Nigel Sherratt, #120 of 2329 🔗

Let’s just say there’s a continuum, and a list of actual lived genders that’s almost as long as Facebook’s list of imaginary ones.

314382 karenovirus, replying to karenovirus, 23, #121 of 2329 🔗

I’ve been unwilling to link covid/lockdown with Brexit.
Last week BBC Radio ‘news’ was reporting lorry tailbacks at Dover and elsewhere speculating that firms were stockpiling prior to a no deal Brexit (er… wouldn’t those tailbacks be in Calais? More likely it was European truckers heading home for Xmas).

Convenient timing for Brexit wreckers that the mutant covid has arrived just in time for many European countries to use it to put a ban on freight which did not occur at the height of the initial ‘pandemic’.

Let’s see if we get an ’emergency delay’ for Brexit
‘just until we get this calamity covid strain under control’

314383 ▶▶ Richard O, replying to karenovirus, 35, #122 of 2329 🔗

The freight ban raises the imminent threat of widespread food shortages in January. I think this reaction was genuinely unexpected by the UK government, especially given that freight was not at all affected even in March/April. I would not be at all surprised if some EU 27 governments have taken the opportunity to use the “mutant strain” narrative clumsily vomited out by the Johnson junta (ironically primarily for domestic consumption) as a means of exacting revenge on the perceived British betrayal of the EU project.

314413 ▶▶▶ Elisabeth, replying to Richard O, 10, #123 of 2329 🔗

The globalist FILTH has been planning exactly that!

314431 ▶▶▶ Bugle, replying to Richard O, 4, #124 of 2329 🔗


314439 ▶▶▶▶ Biker, replying to Bugle, -1, #125 of 2329 🔗


314438 ▶▶▶ Biker, replying to Richard O, 12, #126 of 2329 🔗

Nope it’s the nest phase of the shut down of the world economy. Food shortages coming our way. You’ll be getting a ration card soon. Still it’s all just incompetence

314500 ▶▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to Richard O, 4, #127 of 2329 🔗

That’s ok, we just buy food from elsewhere while we return British farming to self sufficiency. The folly of importing more people than we export is now laid bare for all to see.

315093 ▶▶▶▶ The Filthy Engineer, replying to Nick Rose, 6, #128 of 2329 🔗

It’s an interesting cognitive dissonance on the part of the government planners. I believe that we need to be self-sufficient in food as far as we can be. So imagine my surprise when the government proposes a post Brexit “re-wilding” of the countryside and paying “farmers” to do so to meet some fanciful green agenda rather than turning more land over to food production.

I just don’t know what to make of that sort of stupidity in not increasing the internal food supply.

315379 ▶▶▶▶ David Grimbleby, replying to Nick Rose, 2, #129 of 2329 🔗

There is a lot of empty land that could be brought back into arable farming.

314652 ▶▶▶ Kevin 2, replying to Richard O, 3, #130 of 2329 🔗

Nope. Disagree. Full-on expected and planned for. If I could predict this was their plan six months ago, then they sure could engineer it. A deliberate crash-out.

Why else the surreptitious construction of all the lorry parks (bypassing all normal planning rules), which was conducted with very little reporting.
Seasoned haulage contractors and (ex or retired) Customs Officers have been predicting this hugely disruptive outcome all year.

If this was indeed unexpected by the Govt, then it represents new levels of monumental incompetence and stupidity, which I just don’t buy.
(I have personally planned for this accordingly…)

It coincides with the attack on the £ which started this morning.

314396 ▶▶ Bella Donna, replying to karenovirus, 13, #131 of 2329 🔗

I linked Brexit back with climate change zealots back in March. Remoaners never went away and the fact they kept their heads down only sent warning signals. Bozo is no leader and he is not a Brexiteer, I’m fully expecting a stitch up and judging by the commenting on Internet websites so are many others. Locking down the South of England would bring a halt to any protests when Bozo waters down Brexit.

314399 ▶▶▶ Richard O, replying to Bella Donna, 21, #132 of 2329 🔗

It really depends upon which of his lies Johnson wishes to preserve the most. Preserving the mutant strain lie forces yet another humiliating U-turn, this time on extending the Brexit negotiations deadline. Preserving the Brexit lie means jeopardising the mutant strain narrative and its associated Tier 4 restrictions.

I am confident that he will choose a combination that guarantees maximum suffering for the British people.

316071 ▶▶▶▶ richard riewer, replying to Richard O, 1, #133 of 2329 🔗

Too much strategic thinking and very little human empathy and compassion. Technocratic mind.

314466 ▶▶ Biker, replying to karenovirus, 6, #134 of 2329 🔗

There’s never gonna be a Brexit. We are under the jackboot of the NWO and it matters not a fucking jot what any of us say, think or do

316072 ▶▶▶ richard riewer, replying to Biker, 2, #135 of 2329 🔗

We are going to defeat the NWO.

314623 ▶▶ Kevin 2, replying to karenovirus, 1, #136 of 2329 🔗

Tailbacks were on both sides. Many outgoing trucks were going out empty in order to return with essential supplies, parts, components etc. before the crash-out.

314386 Dale, replying to Dale, 3, #137 of 2329 🔗

Where is this Ramesh email re: excess deaths in the US ?

314418 ▶▶ Sally, replying to Dale, 2, #138 of 2329 🔗

Thanks. I’d like to see it too.

314387 karenovirus, replying to karenovirus, 13, #139 of 2329 🔗

From the roundup
San Francisco Chronicle reports many times more people dying of drug overdoses than Covid
“Many people overdosed in low income housing, hotel rooms for the homeless. Others died on sidewalks, in alleyways and in parks around the city”

Isn’t that what they predicted would happen if they did not impose lockdown ?

314468 ▶▶ Biker, replying to karenovirus, -6, #140 of 2329 🔗

It’s always good news to hear of junkies dying of overdoses. One less fucking leech on this planet

316074 ▶▶▶ richard riewer, replying to Biker, 3, #141 of 2329 🔗

So much for empathy.

314557 ▶▶ Nigel Sherratt, replying to karenovirus, 2, #142 of 2329 🔗

If you’re going to San Franscisco
Be sure to wear …

316123 ▶▶▶ richard riewer, replying to Nigel Sherratt, 1, #143 of 2329 🔗

A flower print mask.

314388 Eliza P., replying to Eliza P., 41, #144 of 2329 🔗

Anyone else literally wondering just how much longer they can stand this Lockdown malarkey for? I’m keeping going because I have the purpose that I’m running an anti-Lockdown Facebook group and therefore hope I’m playing my small part in getting things back to Normal. But my patience and sense of purpose are wearing very thin and I am so thankful I’ve only got an estimated 15 years or so of life due to me – because, if I were younger and it was an estimated 60 years then I’d have already cut that short and gone (ie to Heaven). I wonder if “They” will ever allow us to have our Society back again or whether it’s true they never intended to do so right from the outset and were always going to make excuse after excuse after yet more lies to refuse us having Normal Life ever again – written from Gulag Wales

314392 ▶▶ Bella Donna, replying to Eliza P., 28, #145 of 2329 🔗

The thing is not to ask what we are allowed to do but to do what we want and take it from there.

314465 ▶▶▶ Eliza P., replying to Bella Donna, 12, #146 of 2329 🔗

That’s precisely what I do and what I guess most on here will be doing. But there is inevitably fallout from the IM’s (Indoctrinated Masses) that impacts back onto us. I am so thankful I don’t need a job for my income (as it’s safely pension) and so the main fallout on me personally is my missing social life (dance classes/films/etc/etc). But, even at a directly personal level – it impacts. A nearby also-single friend of mine is scheduled to come round mine on Boxing Day (Gulag Wales) and rang me yesterday to say she’s checked and figured out that she is “allowed” to do so. She isn’t and has got it wrong – but I’m not going to tell her that LOL. If I did let on to her that Dripford wouldn’t let her – then she’d cancel – even with me explaining the logic that literally a few hours difference between Christmas Day and Boxing Day makes no difference at all (as neither of us expects to see anyone else in the few hours after midnight Christmas Day or have any deliveries). So either way – we either will have it (but not know) or won’t have it and a few hours isn’t going to make any difference to that. All logic has gone out the window for many..

314395 ▶▶ Richard O, replying to Eliza P., 24, #147 of 2329 🔗

I ask myself that question every day. The answer depends entirely on all of us. If there is enough continuing compliance, then we could go all the way into a nightmare technocratic dystopia for decades (and possibly even centuries). If there is any sort of rebellion, then it could be over by the end of 2021.

314470 ▶▶▶ Eliza P., replying to Richard O, 2, #148 of 2329 🔗

Thinking – well it wouldnt be centuries – but then remembered British history includes the 100 Years War. I’ve often felt sorry for the more rational people living at that time – as some of them will have gone all the way from being born during it, living a long life, and then dying and it would still be going on. Thus they would never have known what Normal is like.

314496 ▶▶▶▶ annie, replying to Eliza P., 10, #149 of 2329 🔗

The HYW proceeded in stages, with interruptions.People adjusted, people survived. Battles were short, forces on both sides small, conflicts localised. It was very bad in places at times, yes, but not everywhere all the time.
The Bkack Death caused a brief interruption to the HYW, but it resumed quickly. People in those days were tough.
Incidentally, if you want a parallel to Turdgeon or Dungford or Wankok for horrific self-satisfied cruelty and utter lack of empathy, try Henry V. Not the Shakespeare one, the real one.

314405 ▶▶ annie, replying to Eliza P., 56, #150 of 2329 🔗

Also in Gulag Wales (which Toby and Will seem to have completely lost interest in).

I know exactly how you feel, but we must, must, must soldier on. I know it sounds pompous, but Humanity depends on us. There is us, and semizombies who won’t break the rules but may ultimately be redeemed, and ultrazombies which ceased to be human long ago. We can’t leave the world in their hands.

My riding lesson this morning was of course cancelled, but I’m going to school the horse and practise what we have already learned.

My semizombie sister refuses to come for Christmas, but my partner and I are going to have a festive day.

I will not go and mumble through face knickers in the Tenby Coward Covidian Church of Living Death, but I shall go to Castle Hill on Christmas morning and sing carols until my voice gives out.
And I shall broadcast stickers like leaves in Vallombrosa.

I shall NEVER give in.

314453 ▶▶▶ TJN, replying to annie, 22, #151 of 2329 🔗

Yes, quite. I don’t understand talk of giving in.

Don’t get me wrong, I find the maskeloids deeply irritating and even sinister, and it’s irritating if you want to go somewhere and it’s closed.

But other than that I just live my life – there’s always plenty to do, and if you can’t do what you were doing before you can do something else. I can honestly say I can keep going indefinitely like this.

Having said that, the TJN family haven’t been affected by some of the more direct effects of the lockdown – loss of employment, loss of health care, or much loss of education. People who have suffered such effects do have my sympathy and I understand that at times they must feel despair. But even then the only thing you can realistically do is batten down the hatches and wait for the storm to pass, which it surely will. And take revenge when it does.

But to return to a subject that I often allude to here: some 130 million in the Developing World facing starvation because of what our society has done. That does make me despair.

314479 ▶▶▶▶ Eliza P., replying to TJN, 15, #152 of 2329 🔗

That’s obviously something that must make it easier for many – having the TJN family/their own equivalent. There are about 8 million people living on their own in this country – and I know that things could be worse than that (ie unhappily married) – but the assumption is that most couples/families are happy ones and that that is the reason they are still together.

I’m not an only child – but I am an eldest child and nothing remotely in common with the other (adult) child elsewhere in the country – to extent right now of very much doubting my Christmas card due from them has even been sent and there will certainly be no exchange of cards next year or ever again for sure. As an only/eldest child with a totally incompatible sibling – I’ve long since learnt a lot about being on my own from Day 1 – but I still want to see friends etc and, as a single person, I need to.

314494 ▶▶▶▶▶ TJN, replying to Eliza P., 3, #153 of 2329 🔗

Yes, it must be tough sometimes on your own, but it’s tough with a family sometimes too.

Regarding meeting people – we just do so anyway, and have done ever since this garbage started.

Isn’t there a meet up bit on the forum section of this site?

315024 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Eliza P., replying to TJN, #154 of 2329 🔗

think it’s supposed to be for those looking for romance and/or sex.

315925 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Borisbullshit, replying to Eliza P., #155 of 2329 🔗

Is sex still legal lol?

316370 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ TJN, replying to Eliza P., 1, #156 of 2329 🔗

Hi Eliza P. Don’t know if you’ll see this now, but I meant the ‘Meet fellow sceptics’ section under Forums, rather than ‘Love in a Cold Climate’.


316073 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to TJN, #157 of 2329 🔗

There is – and there’s a seciton for platonic friends.

314505 ▶▶▶▶▶ Gill, replying to Eliza P., 11, #158 of 2329 🔗

I’m in a similar position Eliza, although in my case it’s an older sibling. I’m widowed but still relatively young (50s) and the company of friends is important to me. During the original lockdown I saw no-one (other than at shops etc.) for months as they were unwilling to break the rules. When it was eased my friends started to ignore any remaining restrictions and I began to see them regularly, but I fear that now we are all in Tier 4 areas they are becoming compliant again.

314556 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ TJN, replying to Gill, 10, #159 of 2329 🔗

Loneliness is tough, and a societal problem that’s been largely ignored in the past. Perhaps this tragedy will bring it to more attention in future.

I hope you and Eliza P. and sceptics like you can find some solace on sites like this – not the same as actual human contact, but better than nothing.

My post was meant to say to avoid despair, not to deny suffering in some people.

Loneliness can also build strength and resilience. My guess is that a disproportionate number of sceptics have been lonely at times – true independence and clarity of thought requires you to be on your own at times, which isn’t always easy or comfortable.

314776 ▶▶▶▶▶ Lyra Silvertongue, replying to Eliza P., 6, #160 of 2329 🔗

I’ve been very lucky as a single adult in having a modest but hugely supportive group of friends and people I work with who have made sure I’m not lonely. What’s also been so heartening about them is that I think they know I’m more anti-lockdown than them but have respected and accomodated my stance just as I’ve done the same for them. That’s the kind of friends you want. I’ve had some lovely birthday and Christmas cards from people thanking and supporting me, and some people who made sure I had an excellent birthday during LD2.0 even if it meant bending the rules a little.

316106 ▶▶▶▶ annie, replying to TJN, 2, #161 of 2329 🔗

Tell that to Archbishop Jellybaby. Perhaps the thought that he has helped to condemn 130 million people to death may cause him intense pain.
And perhaps he doesn’t give a damn. Stay safe, and devil take the third world, Amen, all hail to the Covid God.

316376 ▶▶▶▶▶ TJN, replying to annie, #162 of 2329 🔗

I honestly don’t know how thinking people can square this in their own minds.

But I guess I’ve answered my own question: they are not thinking people.

PS – that’s the figure that’s been bandied around. I’ve no idea whether t is correct or not. But that there are going to be terrible knock-on effects in the Developing World is clear.

314598 ▶▶▶ Jo Dominich, replying to annie, 3, #163 of 2329 🔗

Annie I’m with u there!! Never say die. This is a fight to the bitter end for me.

314657 ▶▶▶ Sue, replying to annie, 3, #164 of 2329 🔗

well done Annie – glad your spirit has bounced back after the setback a couple days ago about your sister. You are our spirit of positivity to buck us all up when feeling demotivated! 🙂
I hope one day we can all meet up, but in the meantime have as good a christmas as possible.

316110 ▶▶▶▶ annie, replying to Sue, 2, #165 of 2329 🔗

Thank you, Sue!
I managed my first stirrupless canter this morning. Really pleased with the horse and myself.

314436 ▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Eliza P., 6, #166 of 2329 🔗

To be honest my life will go on pretty much as usual in tier 2 or even tier 3 but I count myself lucky not under threat of a beating from our thug Police just for wanting a stroll in the park.

314444 ▶▶ Biker, replying to Eliza P., 5, #167 of 2329 🔗

It’s never coming back. This time next year you’ll miss how easy it was at the beginning of this. Mark my words you’re life is gonna be hell, all our lives are gonna be hell.

314483 ▶▶▶ Eliza P., replying to Biker, 5, #168 of 2329 🔗

I do hope you’re wrong and am guessing you also hope you’re wrong. I’m still waiting/waiting/waiting at the moment and, if I do go down (and out), then I can at least sit there in Heaven and think “Well – I tried – I gave it my best shot – to try and save that from happening”.

314492 ▶▶▶▶ Biker, replying to Eliza P., -3, #169 of 2329 🔗

I’m not wrong. Have you not heard them tell you? They’ve been saying for years. Fossil fuels gone and along with it the machine that sustains 8 billion people. They don’t care who dies as long as 7 billion of us do.
There is no heaven you won’t be sitting anywhere you’ll just be dead

315929 ▶▶▶ Borisbullshit, replying to Biker, #170 of 2329 🔗

Blimey you make Peter Hitchens sound optimistic! Mind you he has generally been right so you probably are too.

314892 ▶▶ Lainey, replying to Eliza P., 1, #171 of 2329 🔗

‘There was no protection, no security against being constantly made aware of things and being drawn into them. There was no country to which one could flee , no quiet one could purchase; always and everywhere the hand of fate seized us and dragged us back in its insatiable play.’ – Stefan Zweig talking of The Great War

314389 Sir Patrick Vaccine, replying to Sir Patrick Vaccine, 6, #172 of 2329 🔗

My Apology To Facebook about Covid 19 facts


315474 ▶▶ JohnB, replying to Sir Patrick Vaccine, #173 of 2329 🔗

Magic. 🙂

314391 Bella Donna, replying to Bella Donna, 50, #174 of 2329 🔗

Good morning fellow Sceptics. Today we will be venturing out from the safety of our bunker to the virus infested world of the masked zombies to go to Tescos for what we hope will be the last Christmas shop. Originally we planned to leave it until Wednesday but in view of problems at the ports and freight being held up were going sooner rather than later. What a wonderful world Bozo and his clowns have given us. They should be swinging from lampposts, I live in hope they will. I found the article on the London rally alarming, the police are out if control as is this tyrannical government. Yesterday whilst surfing the net it became apparent the 77th Brigade were out in force infesting some of the websites with their unwanted presence and Government propaganda. Who would have thought this could happen?

314487 ▶▶ Eliza P., replying to Bella Donna, 7, #175 of 2329 🔗

I’ve spotted a couple of things in a few places where I’ve had the strong feeling the poster was someone in the 77th Brigade (and called them out on it). Any ways to help identify it’s one of them (rather than a real person iyswim) would be appreciated.

314667 ▶▶ Sue, replying to Bella Donna, 8, #176 of 2329 🔗

yes i found the post regarding the protest also alarming. What the hell has this country in store for us if cannot protest peacefully is truly frightening.

314891 ▶▶▶ Darryl, replying to Sue, 8, #177 of 2329 🔗

15,000 + government agents can sadly produce a lot of hateful propaganda in a day. Most of the people posting this stuff are useful idiots, what they don’t realise is they will have to live in the dystopian society the elites have planned. One day many of them will be on the receiving end of state power.

316149 ▶▶▶▶ richard riewer, replying to Darryl, 1, #178 of 2329 🔗

The United Nations has hired 110,000 people to enforce global censorship. The United Nations! Defund them.

316154 ▶▶▶▶▶ calchas, replying to richard riewer, #179 of 2329 🔗

Have you got a link for that please?


316158 ▶▶▶▶▶ richard riewer, replying to richard riewer, #180 of 2329 🔗

Defund the U.N. and dozens, perhaps hundreds of NGOs and many other entities, will dissolve with them.

315003 ▶▶ A leaf, replying to Bella Donna, 4, #181 of 2329 🔗

Ahh i hate those queueing outside shops, people waiting obediently. I always make sure to complain out loud, no body gives a reaction just sheepisly looking. I lost any hope for any kind of mass reaction. It is not gonna happen, history has 1000s of oppressions to 1 rebellion.

314403 nickbowes, replying to nickbowes, 40, #182 of 2329 🔗

Today is a very significant day – the day of “The Christmas Star” event – the apparent alignment in the night sky of Jupiter and Saturn, something that has not occurred since the 12th Century. This also happens, strangely, upon the shortest day of the year winter solstice.
Many will be seeing this event as an awakening against the tyranny and satanic appetites of governments, science and media. The human experience is not that of the virus news, smartphones and deliberate lies but that of humble enlightenment. Simply ignore the rules and resist in numbers the government are running scared.

314406 ▶▶ Richard O, replying to nickbowes, 10, #183 of 2329 🔗

Somewhat appropriately there is miserable low cloud and drizzle forecast for the next few days in the UK. We won’t be seeing anything.

314429 ▶▶▶ chaos, replying to Richard O, 10, #184 of 2329 🔗

For those of us who believe in such things it isn’t something that needs to be seen. Just felt.

314495 ▶▶▶▶ Biker, replying to chaos, 1, #185 of 2329 🔗

spooky mumbo jumbo is so comforting isn’t it. Much better than fucking reality.

315193 ▶▶▶▶▶ Bill H, replying to Biker, 8, #186 of 2329 🔗

Posted this before.

Winter Solstice at Lulworth Cove.

The Cove is only a few thousand years old, but it looks like it has been there forever.

The Sun has been arround essentially forever, and is worth worship on that basis alone.


314486 ▶▶▶ annie, replying to Richard O, 4, #187 of 2329 🔗

The stars are there whether you see them ir not.

314442 ▶▶ TJN, replying to nickbowes, 1, #188 of 2329 🔗

Yeah, and it’s raining here tonight and I forgot to look last night.

314745 ▶▶ stevie, replying to nickbowes, 1, #189 of 2329 🔗

It should get better now and also the days will get longer.

315454 ▶▶ JohnB, replying to nickbowes, 2, #190 of 2329 🔗

strangely , upon the shortest day of the year winter solstice.

Brave, criticising the Creator in these times. 🙂

316078 ▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to nickbowes, #191 of 2329 🔗

Excellent post!

316162 ▶▶ richard riewer, replying to nickbowes, #192 of 2329 🔗

The Sky at Night will be there.

314407 Stuart, 7, #193 of 2329 🔗

This morning’s meeting of the EU will possibly confirm an indefinite ban on all travellers from the Septic Isle.

Is this perhaps the opening salvo in the War of the Brexit Secession?

Fish as casus belli have, it would seem, been relegated to their wet slab.

314408 Ceci, replying to Ceci, 27, #194 of 2329 🔗

Now the lying incompetents have managed to cut off our food supplies.


314410 ▶▶ Just Ice, replying to Ceci, -34, #195 of 2329 🔗

Don’t worry- most of what is in the news and most of the posts on this website are fake – I’m out of here as we are being lied to constantly

314441 ▶▶▶ Bugle, replying to Just Ice, 6, #196 of 2329 🔗


314443 ▶▶▶ Ceci, replying to Just Ice, 3, #197 of 2329 🔗

Where is ‘here’ ? Your bedroom?

314471 ▶▶▶ Biker, replying to Just Ice, 2, #198 of 2329 🔗

Out of interest whom do you consider fake? I know i consider Bono and Manly P Hall to be fake but who else

314666 ▶▶▶ Kevin 2, replying to Just Ice, 2, #199 of 2329 🔗

Right about the news, wrong about the posts here.

314411 ▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Ceci, 4, #200 of 2329 🔗

Entirely predictable reaction from various European governments; the EU itself is, of course, far to cumbersome to have taken a lead itself.

314409 PastImperfect, replying to PastImperfect, 13, #201 of 2329 🔗

BBC Radio 4. Macron quarantines UK on back of new mutation. Food supplies will be hit.

Will anyone wake up?

314414 ▶▶ karenovirus, replying to PastImperfect, 7, #202 of 2329 🔗

Had my stocks in months ago and have been replenishing frequently.
I even bought a spare tin opener just in case.

314435 ▶▶▶ CGL, replying to karenovirus, 3, #203 of 2329 🔗

I have very full cupboards and shed. But had been waiting til tomorrow to get the veg in for Xmas day. Anyone got any spare roasties?

314449 ▶▶ Now More Than Ever, replying to PastImperfect, 3, #204 of 2329 🔗

Get ready for ration books.

314415 annie, replying to annie, 18, #205 of 2329 🔗

D’ye know, I gotta sorta feeling that the Eggsperts are about to discover that the Screamage Mutant Covvie Virus is much less dedli than previously thought.
If they want to go on eating, that is.

314768 ▶▶ Ewan Duffy, replying to annie, 2, #206 of 2329 🔗

Even the Chief Dandelion in Ireland (Luke O’Neill of Trinity College Dublin – he of the video shared last month where he was on a Zoom call with secondary school students advocating permanent masks and tracking bracelets) has said that this mutant strain is likely to be nothing significant relative to what is already there.

315369 ▶▶ Silke David, replying to annie, 2, #207 of 2329 🔗

I am so surprised that mutant strain is automatically a negative = more deadly.
This is just govt/MSM scaremongering for whatever reason.
Read further than the headline and they admit, nothing is known yet and there are very strong indicators it is actually less dangerous!

I have made this country my home, but I find it more and more difficult to stay here, with Brexit as well. I think I can relate to refugees and how hard it is to give up on your country, friends and a live you are accustomed to, but to stay sane and physically well, there is no choice but to leave and find refugee somewhere else.

By the way, are refugees in the camps at Calais changing their mind about coming here?

314416 PatrickF, 4, #208 of 2329 🔗

Channel 4, tonight at 11.05pm Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtle Virus.

314417 Ceci, replying to Ceci, 5, #209 of 2329 🔗

The European Medical Agency announced on the 9th December that it’s confidential data about the Pfizer ‘vaccine ‘ had been hacked

They declined to say what date the hacking occurred

On 8th December the Pfizer share price started dropping and has been dropping every day since

On Friday 18th December the EMA announced it would give a briefing about the ‘vaccine’ on Monday 21st

Mutant virus appears on 18th

Who did the hacking?

Go figure

314616 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to Ceci, #210 of 2329 🔗

Russia being amed for cyber attacks in the US. With Biden in it will always be Russia, Iran or North Korea.

So my bet is they blame one of those three

314674 ▶▶ Kevin 2, replying to Ceci, 1, #211 of 2329 🔗

Interesting. Had not heard this.
Do you have a handy link?

314426 ▶▶ Biker, replying to dpj, 14, #213 of 2329 🔗

Sturgeon has proven she will kill for her NWO handlers. She will ignore the votes of millions of people and just demand they do what she wants. Pure evil is what these people are. Thy don’t believe in Democracy and are straight up Nazi’s. The Scottish Nazi Party need a lesson in what happens to people who ignore the rights of others just because they lost.

316172 ▶▶▶ richard riewer, replying to Biker, #214 of 2329 🔗

Nuremberg for starters.

314583 ▶▶ kenadams, replying to dpj, 2, #215 of 2329 🔗

Sturgeon is so think she thinks nuclear weapons are ‘bad’ because they ‘kill people’. Only a complete moron can’t see that nukes have actually been the best thing that’s happened to the world in military terms since WWII – precisely because they ‘kill people’ they mean they will never be used and smaller wars between big nations won’t start, i.e. MAD. It actually pains me that the most important person in Scotland can’t figure this out.

314421 Biker, replying to Biker, 25, #216 of 2329 🔗

These “police men” who are acting like fascists on the streets of London make me want to puke blood. They’re not British, they’re not keeping us safe they are scum, traitors, a threat to humanity and working for the NWO,
Hey John P and the other suspect contributors how do you explain this? Is it just incompetence or is it a plan? Your position is the pigs are only there to keep the public safe but were forced by the bad protesters to act like the fucking SS. Lets not be having any of this fucking nonsense any more that it’s a just a giant fuck up. This country along with all the other western nations have been taken over, the leaders of our countries and bought and paid for traitors. They are leading us into death camps. Handcock was at the Bilderberg meeting, Johnstone has a history of fucking young woman and has been bought with cash. Cunts like John Major and Tony Blair sold us out to these people, signing treaties and dumping cash. They are gonna keep us locked up forever. I can’t believe the police are on their side, no wait i can, sorry i was forgetting they’re run by the common purpose people. The only hope we have is the Army, are they gonna be on the side of these foreign agents or will they defend these islands. Off course they’re on their side. The Queen sits on her throne with no crown, our country is being destroyed, the people are being murdered, our wealth stolen and Johnstone, Sturgeon and the like must be obeyed. We really are in a fight for our lives. No wait, sorry it’s all jut a fuck up and there is no plan say the likes of John P and the other lying tossers trying to hide in plane sight

314451 ▶▶ Salopian, replying to Biker, 4, #217 of 2329 🔗

I agree you are either in the Resistance or a collaborator .
Lots of columnists banging on and the recovery group etc but let’s get them to lead a march and stand up on the street in public to those bullying cowards in uniform.

314481 ▶▶▶ Biker, replying to Salopian, 5, #218 of 2329 🔗

I have a lot of respect for the police, my father in-law is a retired copper and a bloody good bloke he is but these days he wouldn’t get in all they want are barely educated drones unable to think for themselves and prepared to square in their own minds horrendous actions by acting on orders of a tyrannical government.
Same goes for the Army. Brave men and woman prepared to put their lives on the line for Britain now under the command of foreign agents implementing the NWO.

314490 ▶▶▶▶ Eliza P., replying to Biker, #219 of 2329 🔗

Biker – We need a name for those of us in the Resistance Movement. Any suggestions? This must feel a lot like the French Resistance felt in wartime France and those in the former Communist countries etc.

314537 ▶▶▶▶▶ Nigel Sherratt, replying to Eliza P., 1, #220 of 2329 🔗

Resistant Elm? I’ve just planted one, developed in Paris but what the hell.

314683 ▶▶▶▶▶ Kevin 2, replying to Eliza P., 1, #221 of 2329 🔗

We need a Tooting Liberation Front and a Wolfie Smiff.
Classic TV. They don’t make ’em like that any more.

315025 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Waldorf, replying to Kevin 2, 2, #222 of 2329 🔗

I remember it but it came out in the late 1970s, when Wolfie already seemed a bit anachronistic. He was held up to gentle mockery although some other parts of the media were playing up the “Red threat” well into the 1980s. The opening has him calling out “power to the people!” and just a couple of kids are watching him silently. The message is, nobody is listening.

315043 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Kevin 2, replying to Waldorf, #223 of 2329 🔗

Ah yes. All very true.
And a lone revolutionary is hardly what is required here.
But classic comic TV all the same, of a type we will never see again…
Do you remember Tucker who worked in the Mexican restaurant??!

316115 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ annie, replying to Kevin 2, 1, #224 of 2329 🔗

I remember the episode when they had a tank in the garage…

314631 ▶▶▶▶ Thomas_E, replying to Biker, 6, #225 of 2329 🔗

As veteran I have to agree about the state of the Armed forces. These are not e man ( and women) I met during my time and who shared their cigarettes’ and Mars bars with me on cold nights in Helmand. I can guarantee that ALL of those would be and are 100% against this shit show but the higher ups are horribly in bed with these scummbags.

315404 ▶▶▶▶▶ David Grimbleby, replying to Thomas_E, #226 of 2329 🔗

Isn’t most of the ‘fighting’ nowadays done in front of a screen directing drones?

314423 DaveyB, replying to DaveyB, 9, #227 of 2329 🔗

Surely tier 4 scandal is one step too far for dictator Boris, time for him and Matt to be ousted.

314457 ▶▶ Steve Martindale, replying to DaveyB, 15, #228 of 2329 🔗

This does seem to be descending into a ludicrous Whitehall Farce, the Sun is reporting terrifying new ‘outbreak numbers’
It was not clear what is so terrifying? there do not seem to be dead bodies piling up on street corners, the hospitals are busy but it is winter time in the wet UK, perhaps they are just terrified of big numbers?
Most of my life there has been some sort of cold or flu doing the rounds in the winter time people all over the country caught it and we shrugged our shoulders said ‘there is a lot of it about’ and carried on. This year we have got the Wuhan Cold going round, why all the fuss? lots of people catching it like they always do when a new version of the cold goes around. The death rate is nowhere as high as in some bad flu years.
No wonder that people talk about there being more to all this than meets the eye.

314424 PatrickF, replying to PatrickF, 6, #229 of 2329 🔗

It’s time that every Virus broadcast- take your pick, Covid-19, or the Bollocks Virus- had the ‘expert’ linked to a lie detector that we can view in real time. You want our trust, Boris? Earn it.

314482 ▶▶ annie, replying to PatrickF, 4, #230 of 2329 🔗

There are certain words that cannot co-occur in the same sentence. Turdgeon and human. Dungford and sane. Boris and trust.

316677 ▶▶ richard riewer, replying to PatrickF, #231 of 2329 🔗

Sodium Pentothal (Sodium thiopental). It’s just a little jab Boris..

314425 karenovirus, replying to karenovirus, 5, #232 of 2329 🔗

Protest report in the Bournemouth Echo.
Loads of vaccine averse information so it’s probably the end of Apprentice Reporter Maya George’s career.

315149 ▶▶ dhid, replying to karenovirus, 2, #233 of 2329 🔗

I live not far from Bournemouth and have mentioned on here a certain mp, related to there.

A series of posts I made yesterday on here, in which I mentioned a “job” and “rank” that mp has, in a slightly rude joking response to someone, disappeared and I couldn’t find it for love nor money and posted to that effect yesterday.

I also posted a reminder about it today and it has now reappeared significantly changed in that it appears that I am replying to different poster IDs (including myself!) and one of the IDs and the comments made are not there at all!

316097 ▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to dhid, 1, #234 of 2329 🔗


314427 John Ballard, replying to John Ballard, 6, #235 of 2329 🔗

Seems to me, the government panic the public and that makes things worse, then they do it again and again and again!
Not a big fan of politicians and in my 52 years a fair number have been shown as cheating, lying rogues. But what normally happens is politician says X and a big percentage of the population believe it’s a lie or just that Y is true instead,
Not with covid! All of a sudden the vast majority believe everything that comes out of government without question. Crazy.
Snowflake generation and the first snowflake pandemic in my view.

314632 ▶▶ Jo Dominich, replying to John Ballard, 9, #236 of 2329 🔗

Can I just say do not underestimate the power of the relentless propaganda fake news and manufactured hysteria being pumped out 24/7 in order to push the narrative. It is on an unprecedented industrial level as is the draconian censorship. It’s relentless, insidious nd soul destroying. We are strong and can counter and question it many are no capable.

314433 J Cook, replying to J Cook, 6, #237 of 2329 🔗

Ive uploaded yesterdays Radio 4 interview with Charles Walker here https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mJluyXUCY2Q&t

314540 ▶▶ gina, replying to J Cook, 2, #238 of 2329 🔗


314434 Censored Dog, 1, #239 of 2329 🔗

It appears that Exeption 13 is for citizens of other countries to use postal ballots for their own countries elections, as there have been issues with it in past lockdown legislation.

314437 Bugle, replying to Bugle, 13, #240 of 2329 🔗

Resign, Boris. And take the cabinet with you.

314706 ▶▶ Sue, replying to Bugle, 7, #241 of 2329 🔗

i wish the queen would flippin well dissolve parliament and get rid of that bumbling ‘potato with a toupee’ and get some grown ups in charge. She and the whole royal family are superfluous to our society going round with patronising visits in fancy masks whilst snug in their state homes paid for by us. They should be worried as once the queen passes on i think there will be serious questions as to their legitimacy and I say this as a previous royalist but this year has changed my mind. The only issue is we would be subject to a presidential system and well we all know how well that works eg usa.

314735 ▶▶▶ Bugle, replying to Sue, 2, #242 of 2329 🔗

The US system is in theory more foolproof than ours. It’s just that when you get people like the Clintons and Obama stuffing every level of government with their loyalists and activists it becomes disfunctional.

315381 ▶▶▶ Silke David, replying to Sue, 1, #243 of 2329 🔗

There are presidential systems where the president does not have power to make political decisions.
In Germany the president is more like the Queen, he has representative duties and signs legislation, that is all.

315437 ▶▶▶ wat tyler, replying to Sue, 2, #244 of 2329 🔗

The idea the Queen will do anything for the people is laughable ,she will probably be rolled out in a mask to tell us how we are all in it together. The day can’t come any sooner when we get rid of this dysfunctional Windsor family and with it the house of lords and the scum in parliament .When not if we smash the lockdown we should keep rolling the tanks forward for complete regime change .

316422 ▶▶▶▶ richard riewer, replying to wat tyler, #245 of 2329 🔗

Upset The Great Reset.

314440 Tim Bidie, 8, #246 of 2329 🔗

So ‘Kent covid’ came in quite handy then:

‘France’s travel ban on the UK prompts shutdown at Port of Dover causing long freight queues and supply chain disruptions’

‘”Operation Stack is a procedure that uses parts of the M20 to queue lorries travelling towards the continent, to avoid causing gridlock across Kent’s roads. It is used in emergency situations when crossings to the continent cannot happen, such as bad weather or industrial action.” — Kent.gov.uk’

Remind me, which political issue has just taken over top spot right now?


But good negotiating skills…….

Life must be great….without the voters….or parliament…or real questions from the state broadcaster…..

314446 Michael May, replying to Michael May, 5, #247 of 2329 🔗

Zeus: “What’s going on now?”
Hera: “They’ve developed a vaccine. They’re going to inoculate the entire population with it.”
Zeus: “They making it themselves?”
Hera: “Nah. Some company in Belgium”
Zeus: “Good luck with that, then. Here:” Snaps fingers. A more virulent strain of the virus appears. The EU closes its borders to the UK.

314458 ▶▶ Will, replying to Michael May, 6, #248 of 2329 🔗

We don’t need Zeus to create a more virulent strain of the virus, Ferguson and his mates have modelled it themselves. Their new creation probably has an IFR of 20% and is predicated on everyone being vulnerable.

314533 ▶▶ Nigel Sherratt, replying to Michael May, 2, #249 of 2329 🔗

Boris: “I wonder what’s in this box”

314448 Michael May, replying to Michael May, 3, #250 of 2329 🔗

On Sunday night the Department of Health said it had contingency plans in place to airlift the Pfizer COVID-19 vaccines from Belgium to the UK using military aircraft if the freight ban stays in place for longer than 48 hours.

I sense a Michael Bay film in the offing here.

314478 ▶▶ annie, replying to Michael May, 1, #251 of 2329 🔗

Sort of Berlin snake oil Airlift?

314530 ▶▶▶ Nigel Sherratt, replying to annie, 1, #252 of 2329 🔗

As long as they don’t start dropping bloody Hershey bars.

315430 ▶▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to Nigel Sherratt, 1, #253 of 2329 🔗

EU Air ! Starring Mel GIbson, Bruce WIllis, and John Travolta.

314450 Poppy, replying to Poppy, 60, #254 of 2329 🔗

In a way, I’m quite pleased that the ‘mutant strain’ scaremongering has cut us off from the rest of the world. The government have gone too far this time without thinking of the consequences. Maybe this will wake people up and make them realise that the government cannot just make draconian diktats whenever they feel like it, without Parliamentary scrutiny. As I’ve said before, true destruction of our country unfortunately needs to happen before others are personally affected by what is happening this year.

Perhaps the MSM will ramp the fear right up to 100 to ‘justify’ the utter chaos I suspect is about to befall us but I have a feeling that, along with Brexit, this may finally be the tipping point we have been waiting for. It is a moral duty for governments to feed their citizens and keep normal life running and if there are serious food shortages/power cuts etc. as a result of both ‘pandemic’ border closures and Brexit then it’s over for Johnson and co.

314459 ▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Poppy, 13, #255 of 2329 🔗

Several million of the comfortably WFH crowd will be inconvenienced by house arrest and cancelled Xmas but they will still not suffer financially, yet.

314464 ▶▶▶ Now More Than Ever, replying to karenovirus, 17, #256 of 2329 🔗

They might start to get a bit panicky if the food starts running out.

314528 ▶▶▶ Nigel Sherratt, replying to karenovirus, 3, #257 of 2329 🔗

Only if it reduces the availability of servants, otherwise they’ll carry on as normal. Birx in USA just the latest.

314532 ▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to karenovirus, 16, #258 of 2329 🔗

They will next year.

A lot of pensions and savings are invested in prime real estate which includes swathes of the City of London, Belgravia, Mayfair. The more London becomes a Ghost Town, property values in the areas I mentioned go down even more. Which will mean that pensions and savings will start to lose their value.

And those who are WFH shouldn’t get cocky either. When their companies run through their reserves with nothing coming in, they will be in the firing line for the chop.

This lockdown in the run up to Christmas already has had a massive impact on the festive trade and will also affect the Boxing Day sale season. As a result more businesses will go bust and more jobs will have to go.

314477 ▶▶ annie, replying to Poppy, 16, #259 of 2329 🔗

Yes, their latest terror tactics have backfired big time.

314485 ▶▶▶ Saved To Death, replying to annie, 12, #260 of 2329 🔗

Their intention is to destroy our lives and livelihoods and kill us off. Their tactics are not backfiring they are working perfectly.

314489 ▶▶ Saved To Death, replying to Poppy, 4, #261 of 2329 🔗

I am afraid it is over for us. Johnston and co enjoy the protection of the police, military and occupying force that is giving the orders. We on the other hands are their targets. We will suffer the unimaginable consequences, they will be ‘fine’ as long as they do as their told.

314840 ▶▶▶ Darryl, replying to Saved To Death, 15, #262 of 2329 🔗

The same powers will unfortunately control the next government after Boris Johnson’s regime, Kier Starmer looks like a hand picked candidate by the people who control the system. It is always possible the masses might wake up, but as long as they are ‘given’ money by the powers who shouldn’t be they will always blame the resistance. The elites use the media to control populations and there is unfortunately no great switch off.

314510 ▶▶ Saved To Death, replying to Poppy, 3, #263 of 2329 🔗

Clinging to delusional false hope is not going to help to cope with the reality of our situation.

315359 ▶▶▶ wat tyler, replying to Saved To Death, 2, #264 of 2329 🔗

Nor will doom mongering . Only unity and action will save us .

314549 ▶▶ Saved To Death, replying to Poppy, 9, #265 of 2329 🔗

I hold an unpopular opinion it seems. A couple of questions. By what mechanism do you expect it to be ‘over for Johnson and co’? There are no checks and balances to their power in any form that I can see. Do you have any sort of timeline in mind?

314586 ▶▶▶ Charlie Blue, replying to Saved To Death, 12, #266 of 2329 🔗

I disagree with you that it is over for us. Many of us are not close to even considering giving up. But I agree that the Government and their advisors are effectively untouchable as things stand.

314611 ▶▶▶▶ Saved To Death, replying to Charlie Blue, 14, #267 of 2329 🔗

I do not mean to say we should give up. I have two dependants and will fight to the death to protect them and am doing everything in my power to keep them safe and happy.

The belief that we will soon turn some sort of corner and things will start to resolve themselves is not going to help prepare for the magnitude of the collapse that is on its way. A false hope is no hope at all it merely stops you properly preparing and leads to an even greater sense of defeat in the end.

When I say it is over for us I refer to life as we knew it and all the things we have taken for granted. There are no checks and balances left. We have to rebuild from the ground up while the government and our institutions wage a war against us.

314816 ▶▶▶▶▶ Poppy, replying to Saved To Death, 22, #268 of 2329 🔗

What else do you expect us to do? I don’t comply with the diktats wherever I can and I try to lead my life as normally as possible, while educating others and spreading the message. Frankly if you go outside, there are cars on the road and people in the streets just trying to lead a normal life. You wouldn’t know there was a ‘pandemic’ happening were it not for the dirty rags a lot of people wear on their faces.

Having some hope and optimism is frankly making this hell more bearable. Without hope there is no progress.

314853 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Darryl, replying to Poppy, 4, #269 of 2329 🔗

We can only keep trying to do our best and connect with other sceptics who don’t want to live in fear of other humans. Too many people still believe the distorted view the MSM gives, there is still hope.

314930 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Yawnyaman, replying to Poppy, 2, #270 of 2329 🔗

Good for you!

314952 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Saved To Death, replying to Poppy, 7, #271 of 2329 🔗

I am not saying don’t have hope and optimism. I am saying that if your hope and optimism is derived from an expectation that our government or institutions are going to turn some sort of corner and change direction or that the British public are going to start to see sense and stop co-operating in their own and your destruction then you open yourself up to even more hurt.

We need to think about how we will survive. We need to derive hope and optimism from our progress towards making ourselves more robust and able to cope with what is coming. The hope and optimism needs to be derived from ourselves not our expectations of others. Can we turn rainwater into drinking water? Can we light our homes without the grid? Do we have plenty of food stocked and the ability to grow food? Are we prepared to cope with injuries in the absence of a functioning A&E? Do we have people and ways to trade when the financial system is withdrawn from us? etc etc

All these things require learning and preparation. As we prepare for the worst case(currently appears to be most probable case) we become more resilient and skilled. That is where we should be looking now for hope and optimism in my opinion and that hope cannot then be taken away from you at the drop of a hat(or tweet).

I don’t really have time this morning to form the full reply I would like to. I do wish you all the best of luck to survive what is coming.

315054 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Country Mumkin, replying to Saved To Death, 10, #272 of 2329 🔗

Hello 🙂

Saved to Death and Poppy are clearly both extremely thoughtful and caring people. Both saying many similar things and a few different ones too.

Sometimes the way we come across in text sounds abrupt and it is not meant. I do it sometimes. I fling my first thought out without empathy. It makes me sound critical.

We are all learning.

Communication is hard face to face, it’s really difficult through these text messages.

I’m really sure we all care deeply for the same reasons and many have some really interesting and differing ways to help move forward.

We will undoubtedly need each other here.

Love to you all, and I mean that 💗

315403 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ wat tyler, replying to Saved To Death, 6, #273 of 2329 🔗

The only people who will save us are the people themselves.It is pointless looking to those in government to save us after all they have put us here in the first place .We need to get out of the ghetto and get our message out to as many people as possible .Leaflets and stickers are the best we can do at the moment and give people hope they are not alone .Only today whilst leafleting a woman rushed out towards us in a state of excitement ,i immediately thought she was pissed off with us but it turned out she was so pleased to find others she could talk to and said please know a friend lives here and would be happy to help .

315371 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ wat tyler, replying to Poppy, 3, #274 of 2329 🔗

Poppy you are correct .Self pity and defeat are our biggest enemy . It’s up to us to put forward the anti lockdown arguments by any means necessary and win the majority over to our side . There is no alternative we either die free or die fighting for that freedom there is no other way .

316121 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ annie, replying to Poppy, #275 of 2329 🔗

You’re right there, Poppy.

314701 ▶▶▶ Andy Thompson, replying to Saved To Death, 6, #276 of 2329 🔗

Saved to death I’ve noticed that some of your posts could be interpreted as divisive/critical/negative to the person posting, not just today but other days too. It is important that we don’t turn against each other, as I think we generally are on the same side, even if we have slightly different views on the more nuanced matters. Im not having a go, just explaining my thumbs down.

314994 ▶▶▶▶ Saved To Death, replying to Andy Thompson, 4, #277 of 2329 🔗

I hope we can all be open to criticism and I thank you for the explanation. When I criticise a persons opinion it is not intended as a personal attack and I am not turning against them. I am used to having robust discussions with people and I will not shy away from saying something that might be tough to swallow . I would hope as sceptics we are all open to robust discussion and wont shy away from saying things that might be difficult to swallow.

My wish is not to destroy poppies hope but rather to try and help found it on more realistic expectations. Her hopes as expressed above are in my opinion going to lead to hurt when things don’t start to turn around.

I only recall being particularly ‘nasty’ towards Biker in response to some of his replies. I use the word nasty but its not so much my intention. I assume that he is able to take what he often dishes out towards others. Still I am not turning against Biker. I disagree with some of what he says and I agree with most of it. I hope even for him the best luck going forward.

314791 ▶▶▶ Crystal Decanter, replying to Saved To Death, 1, #278 of 2329 🔗

What would replace the Pig Dictator and the Woke Blue party?
The Uber Woke Red Party????

314715 ▶▶ Bugle, replying to Poppy, #279 of 2329 🔗

Excellent comment. Thank you.

315032 ▶▶ Country Mumkin, replying to Poppy, 7, #280 of 2329 🔗

I hope it wakes people up, I really do.

I think they do know the consequences Poppy. What impeccable timing.

I wonder if this is the “dark winter” they referred to.

Timed also to be on the Winter solstice, more or less, too. And apparently the 21 Dec is supposed to be a major astrological event this year.

I think this is where it really kicks off.

315424 ▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to Country Mumkin, 2, #281 of 2329 🔗

And apparently the 21 Dec is supposed to be a major astrological event this year.

Jupiter/Saturn conjunction. In the south west, just after sunset. (If there are no clouds – UK, December. Ho ho ho.).

315091 ▶▶ Muzz Off, replying to Poppy, 3, #282 of 2329 🔗

“I’m glad they’ve put us in these camps, now people will really realise how bad it’s got and finally start to fight back!”

314452 Emily Tock, replying to Emily Tock, 16, #283 of 2329 🔗

The description of police behavior at the latest London protest sounds very much like how police act in the US. I am a Caucasian woman, US citizen, and yet my stomach has always clenched in fear when a policeman crosses my path, even though my uncle was a lifelong officer. I protested the Iraq war and witnessed unconscionable police brutality; it is ubiquitous in the US. I am so dreadfully sorry that these kinds of police tactics have been exported.

314520 ▶▶ Nigel Sherratt, replying to Emily Tock, 1, #284 of 2329 🔗

Don’t blame yourself, it’s been here too for a long while. Dixon of Dock Green they ain’t.

314787 ▶▶ Crystal Decanter, replying to Emily Tock, 2, #285 of 2329 🔗

The Police are no longer on the side of the public in any way shape or form.
probably a bit better in the USA out in the sticks

315960 ▶▶▶ Borisbullshit, replying to Crystal Decanter, #286 of 2329 🔗

The police still trade on a romantic past. No one should be under any illusions at all…THEY ARE NOT YOUR FRIEND. They are now just state enforcers nothing less. I applied to to join them back in 1976 as a cadet….Thank god Denis Healey scotched that one with his IMF spending cuts!

314455 Tom Blackburn, 14, #287 of 2329 🔗

Ahem… The Great Barrington Declaration continues to offer a route out of this.

314456 Bungle, replying to Bungle, 11, #288 of 2329 🔗

How do I get to submit an article for LS??? There are things being missed and we are not taking action together – that is what is needed. It is no good just reading every morning and moaning; we’ve got to do something and I have the answer which is within the law. I’ve taught research methods for 4 decades up to doctoral level, btw.

314696 ▶▶ D B, replying to Bungle, 1, #290 of 2329 🔗

Keen to hear what your method is too and how I can get involved.

314460 richmond, replying to richmond, 30, #291 of 2329 🔗

Shortest day today. So from tomorrow the days are getting longer again. There you are. That’s my cheerful thought for the day.

314461 ▶▶ Panda, replying to richmond, 8, #292 of 2329 🔗

I had the same thought. It always cheers me up to know we’re at least a little bit closer to summer. It’s about the only thing to cling to as a bit of good news at the moment.

314767 ▶▶▶ Crystal Decanter, replying to Panda, 1, #293 of 2329 🔗

March is statistically snowier than December.
At least the days are longer tho

314474 ▶▶ Tom Blackburn, replying to richmond, 3, #294 of 2329 🔗

Our core message remains stronger than ever.

314475 ▶▶ annie, replying to richmond, 5, #295 of 2329 🔗

Let there be light.
And there will be light.

314515 ▶▶▶ Nigel Sherratt, replying to annie, 3, #296 of 2329 🔗

But westward, look, the land is bright.

314513 ▶▶ Nigel Sherratt, replying to richmond, 3, #297 of 2329 🔗

At least the plan to have Christmas on 21st June has come to nothing (so far). Thousands of years of celebrating the return of the sun survive for now.

314576 ▶▶ LS99, replying to richmond, 2, #298 of 2329 🔗

Yup just an hour from now we’ll be on the way back to Summer. Nice thought.

314462 alw, 14, #299 of 2329 🔗

A quick scan of comments across the MSM this morning. More talk about disobedience then there has been during the past nine months. Hope this comes to something.

314467 Panda, replying to Panda, 26, #300 of 2329 🔗

I wonder how the sheep are going to react when they realise they are going to be locked up in full lockdown until May?

They will initially blame non mask wearers and “people not following the rules”, but I have a feeling that even these propaganda addled fools will soon start turning their ire on the government.

My instinct tells me that things are about to turn extremely nasty.

314499 ▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to Panda, 8, #301 of 2329 🔗

Agree. What will turn them I suppose is when economic reality hits them in the face or if they develop some sort of serious illness then learn they will have been put way, way back at the queue for treatment because the NHS is still allocated for Covid.

Me too. The coming larger tsunami of bankruptcies and redundancies will help turn the mood really ugly after the New Year.

314506 ▶▶ Fingerache Philip., replying to Panda, 5, #302 of 2329 🔗

Oh Panda, I do hope so.

314521 ▶▶ Ed Phillips, replying to Panda, 6, #303 of 2329 🔗

Unfortunately some of us have been saying this since March.

314525 ▶▶ Will, replying to Panda, 4, #304 of 2329 🔗

Anyone who has children knows that hungry quickly becomes hAngry.

314542 ▶▶ PoshPanic, replying to Panda, 7, #305 of 2329 🔗

I spoke to an elderly lady the other day I hadn’t seen in a while. She’s been self isolating and afraid throughout. I felt angry that she’d been reduced to this fear riddled mess.
But, even she, fear captured by the media, was in agreement that they need to be held to account for their actions and the lockdowns were a disaster.

314469 common conservative, 6, #306 of 2329 🔗

‘”Out of Control”‘

I truly thought this headline referred to Matthew ‘The Prefect’ Hancock and the rest of the Covid Fundamentalists presiding over these disastrous and monstrous restrictions/attacks on our lives and livelihoods.

When will this nightmare end!

314472 alw, replying to alw, 16, #307 of 2329 🔗

Great thread from Bob Moran. Please forward to those who are scared of life.

1. Many people are saying that they are not spending Christmas with family as it is “not worth the risk”. In order for a person without coronavirus symptoms to “kill their Granny” this Christmas, a very specific chain of events has to occur. But how likely is it? (Source: https://threader.app/thread/1340736349612195848 )

314517 ▶▶ PoshPanic, replying to alw, 3, #308 of 2329 🔗

Fantastic thread

314519 ▶▶ Mike, replying to alw, 4, #309 of 2329 🔗

I think a great many people are not spending Christmas with family because they either can’t be bothered or have got used to the ‘new normal’ of social isolation. Its encouraging indifference within the masses.

314543 ▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to Mike, 6, #310 of 2329 🔗

People have made plans and many of them have not seen their families for the best part of the year so they’re going “sod the government.”

This should only be encouraged even more as to wake up more of the sheep.

315356 ▶▶ Ben, replying to alw, 1, #311 of 2329 🔗

Bob Moran restores my faith in humanity

314484 Jonathan Smith, replying to Jonathan Smith, 10, #312 of 2329 🔗

With the ports blockaded the government are guaranteeing vaccine supplies by using the army to airlift it from Belgium. They have just raised the spectre of food supply problems! Idiots. That’s not going to cause a run on the supermarkets is it? What with all these altruists wearing masks for the benefit of others… they’ll be buying toilet rolls to give to neighbours. Anyhow, thank god the vaccine’s guaranteed and Johnson has his priorities right… who needs food? Just as long as we’re alive.

314571 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to Jonathan Smith, #313 of 2329 🔗

Even with food shortages being warned, I think the extent of thinking employed by the masses will equate to “We can still have a turkey on Christmas Day yeah?”

314501 swedenborg, replying to swedenborg, 15, #314 of 2329 🔗


These are the minutes from the NERVTAG meeting about the mutant also in the update.

Nothing dramatic as such. In the end conclusions, “not certain etc,moderate confidence”

Most ironic quotation (perhaps best proof of the public health fiasco since 9 months)

“It was noted that VUI-202012/01 has demonstrated exponential growth during a period when national lockdown measures were in place.”

So another one will work?

But I think we can see that it was the politicians and not SAGE/NERVTAG which did the spin this time and has the whole responsibility for ensuing border closures, panic and everything that follows. Iain Duncan Smith as quoted in LD is wrong.Don’t blame SAGE/Nervtag seeing these rather tepid minutes.It is your fellow politicia now spinning this which are resposible 100 % in this latest fiasco(and owning it).

314509 ▶▶ Tom Blackburn, replying to swedenborg, 3, #315 of 2329 🔗

They are the decision makers after all.

314504 swedenborg, replying to swedenborg, 5, #316 of 2329 🔗

These figures are from Israel ,which has a younger population, but suspect that similar figures would not be very far off in the UK. Why don’t we prioritise only home/longterm residents now?


“These estimates are from Israel, but striking: vaccinate the 0.5% of people over 90, and total fatality risk drops 19%. Vaccinate the 2.5% over 80, and it falls by half. Vaccinate the 7.5% over 70, and it drops by 3/4. Age skew remains under appreciated.”

314566 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to swedenborg, 1, #317 of 2329 🔗

This is exactly the kind of solution level headed people are putting forward. Mass vaccination in not required. The GBD kind of approach

314508 AngloWelshDragon, 11, #318 of 2329 🔗

The government failed to predict a European travel ban – only a couple of weeks after we banned Danes because of the supposedly highly infectious mink mutation. Clearly our government thinks everyone is a stupid as they are.

314511 karenovirus, replying to karenovirus, 14, #319 of 2329 🔗

Grant Shapps on the Today Programme

“. . . Of the 11 people who tested positive to the new mutant virus, none of them were ill and that’s the problem! They will be asymptomatic and moving around because they won’t know they’ve got it.”

Sounds like what the Pfizer ‘vaccine’ will do.

314560 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to karenovirus, 3, #320 of 2329 🔗

Is that a direct quote? So nobody has even got symptoms? This is beyond ridiculous

314563 ▶▶ alw, replying to karenovirus, 1, #321 of 2329 🔗

Surely false positive?

314567 ▶▶ TJN, replying to karenovirus, 1, #322 of 2329 🔗

Yes, I heard that too. Laughed at the radio. So we have a mutant virus that is so dangerous it doesn’t cause any symptoms in the vast majority of carriers. But the inference to be drawn from this is not ‘thank goodness’, but that we are all invisible disease carriers. Sick.

And to think that Grant Shapps is cousin to Mick Jones of The Clash. Fact (according to wiki anyway).

314589 ▶▶ Ovis, replying to karenovirus, 2, #323 of 2329 🔗

Shush! A lot of money has been spaffed at that vaccine. Don’t go giving people ideas about natural herd immunity now! Nadine has told you: herd immunity does not exist. And she’s a nurse.

314594 ▶▶ PoshPanic, replying to karenovirus, 2, #324 of 2329 🔗

I speculated yesterday that the mutant strain bollocks was their plan for a way out. I think they are so desperate, that this might actually be all they’ve got left.

314642 ▶▶▶ Will, replying to PoshPanic, 7, #325 of 2329 🔗

The problem is they have overegged the fear pudding and now our food supply has been cut off.

314679 ▶▶▶▶ PoshPanic, replying to Will, #326 of 2329 🔗

Just a minor problem

314664 ▶▶ Sam Vimes, replying to karenovirus, #327 of 2329 🔗

So why is no one in media asking the screamingly obvious question: “Doesn’t it mean they are just not ill?”. Couldn’t be they have been bought off, could it?

314670 ▶▶ Lockdown_Lunacy, replying to karenovirus, 2, #328 of 2329 🔗

Incredible that someone in that position can go on the tv and express concern that people are not ill, and nobody in the media questions the lunacy of that.

314512 Fingerache Philip., replying to Fingerache Philip., #329 of 2329 🔗

Genuine question:What is the 77th brigade?

314524 ▶▶ mjr, replying to Fingerache Philip., 5, #330 of 2329 🔗

do you not have wikipedia?

you know when they talk about thousands of russians or chinese sitting on computers influencing us elections etc . This is “our” version .

So where all the pro lockdown posts on twitter and facebook come from . squaddies and bots controlled by them

314538 ▶▶▶ Fingerache Philip., replying to mjr, 1, #331 of 2329 🔗

Thanks mjr, I’ll ask Alexa.

314544 ▶▶▶▶ anon, replying to Fingerache Philip., 4, #332 of 2329 🔗

you might get straight through to them that way

314699 ▶▶▶▶▶ Bugle, replying to anon, #333 of 2329 🔗

Ha ha!

315401 ▶▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to Fingerache Philip., #334 of 2329 🔗

She’ll probably tell you it’s a conspiracy theory and that you should immediately take some mind bleach.

314514 common conservative, replying to common conservative, 2, #336 of 2329 🔗

PJW: Righteous anger:


Be angry. Be outraged.

314578 ▶▶ Van Allen, replying to common conservative, -1, #337 of 2329 🔗

Maybe I have a soft spot for Boris but I wonder if he is trying to reach out to the masses by telling them that he is being controlled? I mean why else would you describe something as “inhuman” and then do exactly that? Unless he is admitting to being something other than human 🤔 .

314639 ▶▶▶ Cbird, replying to Van Allen, -2, #338 of 2329 🔗

Because you’re a complete twat?

314644 ▶▶▶▶ Cbird, replying to Cbird, #339 of 2329 🔗

To be clear, I mean Johnson, not you

315010 ▶▶▶▶▶ Van Allen, replying to Cbird, #340 of 2329 🔗

😳 thanks for clearing that up

315397 ▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to Van Allen, #341 of 2329 🔗

I’ve said it all along – aliens are now calling the shots. Global warming did for their own planet, apparently.

316125 ▶▶▶▶ annie, replying to JohnB, #342 of 2329 🔗

No, it was a plague of telephone sanitisers.

314518 Will, replying to Will, 7, #343 of 2329 🔗

My bet is the new mutant ninja virus will have, miraculously, become considerably less infectious by the end of the day….

314523 ▶▶ gina, replying to Will, 2, #344 of 2329 🔗

fingers crossed…

314548 ▶▶ swedenborg, replying to Will, 11, #345 of 2329 🔗

The whole thing is insane. This strain is already known to be in other countries ie Italy. Do we think North Macedonia, Romania or Greece bother about genomic sequencing on a scale as in the UK? There are 12000 variants around. We don’t need to wait for C-20, we now just pick one of the 12000 and start the lockdown madness every time we want. This own goal by the UK gov is a black farce. If they worried about the spread from London, Kent they surely got it spread rapidly through the whole country looking at the pictures from Paddington. The Italian March solution just repeated. Incredible stupidity at all levels

314614 ▶▶▶ PoshPanic, replying to swedenborg, 3, #346 of 2329 🔗

Yes, but behavioural science is one of brand Britains great exports, or so Boris and chums seem to believe.

314636 ▶▶▶ Will, replying to swedenborg, 1, #347 of 2329 🔗

If there was a pandemic, precipitating the panic we saw in London would be a disastrous idea.

314607 ▶▶ PoshPanic, replying to Will, #348 of 2329 🔗

At least by Wednesday, mid morning.

314761 ▶▶ Crystal Decanter, replying to Will, #349 of 2329 🔗

the common cold often is

314806 ▶▶ Lyra Silvertongue, replying to Will, 1, #350 of 2329 🔗

My bet is that it will be just like the 4000 number. “70% more infectious? Oh, did we say that? Whoops, typo, it was actually 7%! Ah well, we’ve gone to the trouble of putting millions under house arrest, would be hugely disruptive to reverse that now…”

314522 swedenborg, replying to swedenborg, 10, #351 of 2329 🔗

Maskmandate Florida. Counties no mandated versus mandate.
Look at the curves. Almost parallel. Constantly higher with masks. These same results are seen in multiple locations. Somebody in public heath should seriously consider to make masks voluntarily again as something serious must have happened when they were mandated. Most likely the now majority of mask wearers are thinking they are protected and doing something contrary to other recommendation be it constantly touching the masks, closer distance etc.

314553 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to swedenborg, 6, #352 of 2329 🔗

They’ll just mark it off as non compliance. We’ve entered the twilight zone now. No amount of graphs seem to make a dent in the demand for more lockdown

And they are demanding it. People want this. It’s insane.

314760 ▶▶▶ Crystal Decanter, replying to BeBopRockSteady, #353 of 2329 🔗

Deflating the croney Coroney system is now the only option.
Acceleration is the key to this

314558 ▶▶ Van Allen, replying to swedenborg, 7, #354 of 2329 🔗

it would be funny if it wasn’t so serious. The governments of the world are desperate to fabricate evidence to prove masks work but none of them have succeeded. The U.K’s infection curve since masks were worn is a shining beacon of how they don’t work. Also Germany – compare the “first wave” when they didn’t wear masks with the current situation now masks are mandated.

314559 ▶▶ kenadams, replying to swedenborg, 1, #355 of 2329 🔗

Do you have a source for this please? I’d like to send it to some wavering friends, and it always looks better with a source.

315355 ▶▶ Ben, replying to swedenborg, -3, #357 of 2329 🔗

Your graphs are pro-lockdown propaganda

316018 ▶▶▶ swedenborg, replying to Ben, 1, #358 of 2329 🔗


315402 ▶▶ Silke David, replying to swedenborg, 3, #359 of 2329 🔗

Heard of a lady in Switzerland, ill for 4 weeks with dry cough and heavy chest. 3 GPs in non-face-to-face consultations told her it’s a cold. Finally went to specialist clinic (holistic approach) to be diagnosed with 2 fungus infections in lung and organs.
Doctor says it came from her face covering.
Source Bittel tv telegram feed.

314527 Michael May, replying to Michael May, 2, #360 of 2329 🔗

Offificial: “Robin Hood: Prince of Thieves” joins Die Hard as an unexpected Christmas film thanks to the Alan Rickman’s immortal line, “And call off Christmas.”

314942 ▶▶ Waldorf, replying to Michael May, #361 of 2329 🔗

What about merciful beheadings? And kitchen scraps for widows and orphans?

315392 ▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to Waldorf, #362 of 2329 🔗

Something to do with a spoon … ?

314529 Ben, replying to Ben, 13, #363 of 2329 🔗

When has a virus ever been controlled?

Should we lockdown because the clouds and the wind need controlling?

314547 ▶▶ CGL, replying to Ben, 2, #364 of 2329 🔗

Excellent I was thinking of using the tides and the setting and rising of the sun – but clouds and wind – great! thanks.

315071 ▶▶▶ iansn, replying to CGL, 2, #365 of 2329 🔗

bring back Canute he’ll sort itt. He’ll command it. What kind of powers does Doris have to think he can control it. He cant control his own penis ffs.

314605 ▶▶ Schrodinger, replying to Ben, 1, #366 of 2329 🔗

Indeed, that is the strange thing about this. Doctors and scientists who seriously believe that you can micromanage a virus.

314711 ▶▶ thinkaboutit, replying to Ben, 1, #367 of 2329 🔗

Well it’s similar to the climate change thing. The biggest causes of global warming are the sun and the clouds. As they can’t control that the zealots focus on CO2.

I bet they’d shut out the sun if they could.

315140 ▶▶▶ Two-Six, replying to thinkaboutit, 1, #368 of 2329 🔗

They are already trying to do that. They have plans to spray millions of tonns of crap into the upper atmosphere to block out the sun to cool down the planet.

316452 ▶▶ richard riewer, replying to Ben, 1, #369 of 2329 🔗

Bill Gates is working on that too.

314531 James Leary #KBF, replying to James Leary #KBF, 14, #370 of 2329 🔗


“Matt Hancock said on Sunday that Britain faces a “very difficult” few months, warning that the spread of the virus across swathes of England is now “out of control”.

Bloody good! If it’s out of control it means it’s doing what every other virus has done over millennia and is burning itself out.

All the mad scientists thinking they could control nature like a gaggle of ‘Strangeloves’
can pack up their Mystic Meg gear, and fuck off home with the white cat.

No point in any of the tangled web of laws and lockdowns, we’re back to where we were with the last big one – all of three winters ago. Some of the nearly dead will die, and some of us will be at home with man-flu for a couple of days. The wives will be particularly nasty about this and flounce around a bit but that will be the only dangerous time. Oh …. and you may even be allowed to go to the pub on the way home from the match on Saturday as a reward for having to visit her mother in deepest Essex on the Sunday. Hard life, innit?

314536 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to James Leary #KBF, 7, #371 of 2329 🔗

They said give us three weeks. We got this.

If this was a job interview I don’t think SAGE would be getting the nod

314541 ▶▶ Van Allen, replying to James Leary #KBF, 15, #372 of 2329 🔗

The virus has never been “under control”. There was a pandemic which finished in April. It is now a seasonal virus which will fade in spring, regardless of whether we vaccinate or not.

314535 Just Stop it Now, replying to Just Stop it Now, 13, #373 of 2329 🔗

If we’re “getting flak, we must be over the target”. Free Speech is a concept unknown in parts of Surrey as our anti-Lockdown leaflets are clearly hitting some raw nerves – see pic.

To join the rapidly growing organised groups of sceptics across the UK, peacefully hand delivering our well-reasoned postcard leaflets please visit Back to Normal (my-sgf.co.uk) and get out there to counter the MSM narrative

That is if you are feeling “dangerous and irresponsible” !

314565 ▶▶ anon, replying to Just Stop it Now, 1, #374 of 2329 🔗

burn them! jeepers, ‘dangerous and irresponsible’ I mean what ever next eh?

any more info or names on the ‘waverly’? who owns it?

314545 calchas, replying to calchas, 1, #375 of 2329 🔗

In Germany virologist Drosten says he thnks that the ‘new variant’ is already in the country. Apparently it has been ‘confirmed’ in Italy.

314620 ▶▶ PoshPanic, replying to calchas, 4, #376 of 2329 🔗

They’ve all got the memo now.

315409 ▶▶ Silke David, replying to calchas, #377 of 2329 🔗

Luckily he also says he does not think it is dangerous or “more dangerous”.

316458 ▶▶ richard riewer, replying to calchas, #378 of 2329 🔗

Caught by a traffic speed camera.

314546 Wank Crapcock, replying to Wank Crapcock, 10, #379 of 2329 🔗

Well done Hancock, you’ve finally torpedoed us good and proper. You absolute sausage.

314555 ▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Wank Crapcock, 3, #380 of 2329 🔗

Bang go the independent hauliers.

314619 ▶▶ IanE, replying to Wank Crapcock, 2, #381 of 2329 🔗

Yep. I’m beginning to think that we should give up our nuclear weapons – they would probably aim wrong and destroy London [hmm, maybe we should keep them after all!].

315085 ▶▶▶ iansn, replying to IanE, 1, #382 of 2329 🔗

it’s all over, Doris must have called the EU and told them that its not real we were just doing it to scare the locals. My take is that its setting the scene for no deal, they want to be able to blame the virus to either back pedal commonly know as the Johnson U-ey or in the event that the deal sadlidies, and there is chaos at Dover and all the other ports they can blame the evil variant. As I type this I am thinking these cunts in government are creating this like a script for a book for 9 year olds. Hancock has the intellect of an amoeba. Fuck off and die you bastards

314550 Ned of the Hills, 2, #383 of 2329 🔗

They were only meant to blow the bloody doors off now they’ve made us a pariah state.

314552 p02099003, replying to p02099003, 3, #384 of 2329 🔗

From the anti terrorism legislation:

Terrorism: interpretation.
In this Act “terrorism” means the use or threat of action where—

the action falls within subsection (2),
the use or threat is designed to influence the government [ F1 or an international governmental organisation] or to intimidate the public or a section of the public, and

the use or threat is made for the purpose of advancing a political, religious [ F2 , racial] or ideological cause.

Action falls within this subsection if it—

involves serious violence against a person,

involves serious damage to property,

endangers a person’s life , other than that of the person committing the action,

creates a serious risk to the health or safety of the public or a section of the public , or

is designed seriously to interfere with or seriously to disrupt an electronic system

314661 ▶▶ p02099003, replying to p02099003, 4, #385 of 2329 🔗

Does this mean that the TSG/ metropolitan police are acting as terrorists
Also parts of the British Government and specifically their advisers.

315386 ▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to p02099003, #386 of 2329 🔗

Absolutely. They’re unlikely to nick themselves for it, mind.

314554 SmokeAndMirrors, replying to SmokeAndMirrors, 28, #387 of 2329 🔗

This is now beyond parody.

It’s time to use ridicule – mercilessly.

Ridicule and revulsion contributed to the downfall of Mosley and his blackshirts (latterday TSG perhaps).

Direct your anger by laughing at them.

Isn’t it odd that we now seem to have our very own British/English/Kentish mutant virus. Only us apparently. Seven billion people on the planet and something terrifying has popped up in Penge. Really odd.
And at Christmas too. Who’d have thought it?

Penge mutant? Give it a rest. What bunch of muppets thought that one up?

This IS beyond parody.

314572 ▶▶ Tyneside Tigress, replying to SmokeAndMirrors, 29, #388 of 2329 🔗

My kids (18 and 20) told me last night their Instagram feeds were inundated with parody memes about the Tier 4 lockdown and the ‘mutant strain’. The young people, who anecdotally have been ignoring the restrictions for months, are now openly mocking the government and their ‘scientists’. Good.

314638 ▶▶▶ PoshPanic, replying to Tyneside Tigress, 6, #389 of 2329 🔗

The kids have been for months. The worst age groups seem to have been 20 somethings to 60 somethings. Working age. Funny isn’t it?

314825 ▶▶▶▶ Lyra Silvertongue, replying to PoshPanic, 5, #390 of 2329 🔗

Some of us more independent thinking adults have been coming up with ‘rona jokes for months.
‘What’s the difference between lockdown and a horror film? At the end of the film the lights come back on!’

314698 ▶▶▶ thinkaboutit, replying to Tyneside Tigress, 4, #391 of 2329 🔗

Tell your kids to keep at it.

314842 ▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to Tyneside Tigress, 4, #392 of 2329 🔗

The likes of your kids are our best hope against the more compliant millenials.

Keep up the good work.

314575 ▶▶ calchas, replying to SmokeAndMirrors, #393 of 2329 🔗

Well in ‘Quatermass and the Pit’ an alien spacecraft was discovered in a London tube statiom.

So, heck, why not?

314581 ▶▶ annie, replying to SmokeAndMirrors, 4, #394 of 2329 🔗

Aha, but who knows what awful Covvisatanic rites are enacted every day in Penge?

314561 stefarm, replying to stefarm, 4, #395 of 2329 🔗

Dr Vernon Coleman

URGENT News about the Covid-19 Vaccine


👆 👆 👆 👆
Link to Anaphylaxis Following m-RNA COVID-19 Vaccine Receipt report

Anaphylaxis in US Following COVID-19 Vaccination

112,807 doses 3150 health impact reports – unable to perform daily activities, unable to work, required care from doctor or health care professional.

314799 ▶▶ Kevin 2, replying to stefarm, #396 of 2329 🔗

Amazingly bad and should lead to an immediate halt of the EUA in the UK.
How long ago was it that the woman from the MHRA was holding forth about all the rigorous safety checks they had undertaken to ensue it was safe?

316465 ▶▶▶ richard riewer, replying to Kevin 2, #397 of 2329 🔗

Don’t allow her to leave the country.

314568 calchas, replying to calchas, 29, #398 of 2329 🔗

It’s on days like this that I am most glad I am a sceptic.

Just think if you were one of those poor souls who ahtually believes the official narrative. You would be soiling your pants at the thought of ‘new variants’ etc.

Feeling good today The dynamics of social mood are such that the quicker we reach peak fear the quicker the pendulum will begin to move against the government.

Best Wishes all and chins up!

314574 ▶▶ annie, replying to calchas, 10, #399 of 2329 🔗

Well said, my chin is well up, I am so glad I’m not a zombie!

314595 ▶▶▶ Rosie, replying to annie, 3, #400 of 2329 🔗

Annie, may I suggest you start to write some serious articles for some of these alternative media outlets ? For example on ‘why’ we should carry on, and ‘how’. For example using the Lord of the Rings as guidance?

316130 ▶▶▶▶ annie, replying to Rosie, #401 of 2329 🔗

Um… willing to try…

314773 ▶▶▶ Alethea, replying to annie, 3, #402 of 2329 🔗

Did you see Lord Sid’s post late last night, Annie? He named you (and Biker) as particularly cheering him up. His post is most inspiriting: he is elderly, has been ill, but is doughty and unbowed.

316128 ▶▶▶▶ annie, replying to Alethea, #403 of 2329 🔗

I’ll look him up.

315005 ▶▶ TyRade, replying to calchas, 2, #404 of 2329 🔗

it’s as if we’re almost in the Gina Miller/Supreme Court phase of COVIDballs.They are running out of cunning stunts.

314573 kenadams, replying to kenadams, 4, #405 of 2329 🔗

Do you think Boris is going to extend the Brexit deadline, and he needed this as his excuse?

314585 ▶▶ Saved To Death, replying to kenadams, 5, #406 of 2329 🔗

I voted leave but all Brexit is now is another excuse to create chaos and cause harm while blaming the British public. I don’t think they will extend the deadline I think they have managed to land it where they want.

314588 ▶▶ Dan Clarke, replying to kenadams, 1, #407 of 2329 🔗

Dover is a minute part of our imports, more like Micron trying to distract his mess

314687 ▶▶▶ Bugle, replying to Dan Clarke, 1, #408 of 2329 🔗

It’s a relevant part of our imports – food.

314747 ▶▶▶ Kevin 2, replying to Dan Clarke, 1, #409 of 2329 🔗

No it’s not minute. 22% of all EU imports and exports go through Dover.

314592 ▶▶ arfurmo, replying to kenadams, #410 of 2329 🔗


314610 ▶▶ IanE, replying to kenadams, #411 of 2329 🔗

Yes to an extension; no to needing any excuse: they just do what they want!

314727 ▶▶ Crystal Decanter, replying to kenadams, #412 of 2329 🔗

Phoney Coroney is about reversing 2016 by the Davos elite

314734 ▶▶ Kevin 2, replying to kenadams, #413 of 2329 🔗

Yes, he will extend the deadline for two months, but purely to complete construction of the lorry parks. Then World Trade terms.

314587 Ceci, replying to Ceci, 9, #414 of 2329 🔗

The mutant virus has infected the whole of the South East of England

Under the FOMO regulations the Welsh Health Minister minister has announced that the hole of Wales is infected with the new mutant virus

No mutant virus along the the M4 corridor

How did this more than ever infectious mutant strain travel overland for 120 miles without infecting anyone?

Answers on a postcard please

314590 ▶▶ Ceci, replying to Ceci, 2, #415 of 2329 🔗

Fear Of Missing Out

314593 ▶▶ calchas, replying to Ceci, 2, #416 of 2329 🔗

‘The hole of Wales’

Is that Drakeford”?

314609 ▶▶ IanE, replying to Ceci, 1, #417 of 2329 🔗

Quantum tunnelling!

314613 ▶▶ Be Unshakeable, replying to Ceci, #418 of 2329 🔗

The magic of television.

314724 ▶▶ Crystal Decanter, replying to Ceci, #419 of 2329 🔗

Rapists Dad has really pissed on his chips

316468 ▶▶ richard riewer, replying to Ceci, #420 of 2329 🔗

Defund all Health Ministries, they are being run by neurotic hypochondriacs.

314591 calchas, 7, #421 of 2329 🔗

Snippet from conversation heard sometime in the future:

“You weren’t one of those who fell for that corona nonsense were you”?

“Well, first couple of weeks you know …”

“Ner, was obvious from the start…., come on Fred, I bet you took the vaccine as well, didn’t you”?

314596 AngloWelshDragon, replying to AngloWelshDragon, 6, #422 of 2329 🔗

I’d recommend staying off Facebook. It’s full on “Covid deniers stole Christmas”.

314602 ▶▶ Be Unshakeable, replying to AngloWelshDragon, 11, #423 of 2329 🔗

I’d recommend staying off Facebook anyway.

314603 ▶▶ Tom Blackburn, replying to AngloWelshDragon, 1, #424 of 2329 🔗

How do they work that one out?

314645 ▶▶▶ Cristi.Neagu, replying to Tom Blackburn, 5, #425 of 2329 🔗

The same old line: “We’re in lockdown because covidiots don’t follow the rules and don’t self isolate, social distance, and, worst of all, they don’t wear a mask!” And then they go on to complain how the government didn’t do enough and they needed tougher restrictions…

It’s a very weird phenomenon. Most people would say the government is incompetent and not to be trusted. But somehow, most people trust the government and always expect the government to save them. They never question when the government tells them that we need lockdowns and mask mandates.

314659 ▶▶▶▶ Dan Clarke, replying to Cristi.Neagu, 1, #426 of 2329 🔗

How do they explain the fact that we are still alive if we did everything they say, even hospital capacity is down

314729 ▶▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to Cristi.Neagu, 4, #427 of 2329 🔗

And they’re sounding like a broken record. It’s like my colleague whining at me after it was announced that we were to shut again – “if only people followed the rules” and couldn’t reply when I pointed out that not one of the measures worked.

The irony also is the most rabid lockdownistas I know hate Johnson and the Conservatives. And yet they’re his biggest cheerleaders now.

The mind boggles.

315109 ▶▶▶▶ Mrs issedoff, replying to Cristi.Neagu, 3, #428 of 2329 🔗

What gets me most about the those not wearing masks being the cause of this rampant virus is, I don’t know about other areas but where I live in Derbyshire nearly everyone is muzzled. I go for a walk in the park to clear my mind and am faced with plonkers masked up and jumping out of my way. I want to scream at them and tell them they are idiots but that would really cause a rift between me and my significant other!. He still thinks Bojo is ‘making mistakes and knows not what he doth’, or however they said it in the bible. Give me strength.

314622 ▶▶ Dan Clarke, replying to AngloWelshDragon, 4, #429 of 2329 🔗

Should be selfish covid fanatics stole a year and caused the deaths of many people with other illnesses when they demanded that saving one covid life was all that mattered

314633 ▶▶ Cristi.Neagu, replying to AngloWelshDragon, 2, #430 of 2329 🔗

Twitter’s the same. All social media is the same. Anyone going against the narrative is shadowbanned. They cannot allow the skeptics to find eachother and unite forces. Divide and conquer.

314733 ▶▶ Crystal Decanter, replying to AngloWelshDragon, #431 of 2329 🔗

I adore winding them up tho.
Luckily I have at lease 4 Facebook profiles and about 15 Twitters

315018 ▶▶▶ Tom Blackburn, replying to Crystal Decanter, #432 of 2329 🔗

Excellent work. How exactly is it our fault that their favoured strategy isn’t working (again)?

314597 Major Panic, replying to Major Panic, 1, #433 of 2329 🔗

Does anyone know about a ban on UK tourists to Switzerland from the 1st January? – I’m supposed to be skiing with a group of friends in the new year….

314608 ▶▶ calchas, replying to Major Panic, 2, #434 of 2329 🔗

It’s not looking good Major. It wouldn’t surprise me.

314637 ▶▶▶ Major Panic, replying to calchas, 1, #435 of 2329 🔗

yep, just spotted this, UPDATE: UK nationals will no longer be able to travel to Switzerland for tourism purposes from 1 January 2021. Please consult the Embassy’s Brexit FAQ for further details and exemptions.”


314653 ▶▶ PoshPanic, replying to Major Panic, #436 of 2329 🔗

Could you make it a business trip?

314663 ▶▶▶ Major Panic, replying to PoshPanic, 2, #437 of 2329 🔗

looking for a conference in Geneva that might be important for our businesses going forward, cough…

not sure tourism business research will cut it, maybe Calchas could give us covering letters…..

314685 ▶▶▶▶ PoshPanic, replying to Major Panic, 2, #438 of 2329 🔗

Funding for a new loo roll start up?

314697 ▶▶▶▶▶ Major Panic, replying to PoshPanic, 1, #439 of 2329 🔗


314757 ▶▶▶▶▶ Sue, replying to PoshPanic, 1, #440 of 2329 🔗

looking to import cuckoo clocks maybe??

315166 ▶▶▶▶ Two-Six, replying to Major Panic, 1, #441 of 2329 🔗

I have got an idea, it’s can’t fail:

Covid safe fondu sets.

A cover over the pot with a special battery operated dipping/twirling/bread delivery system that ensures that each diners get their portion of cheesy bread OK but will ensure that no double dipping will ever occur.

Just think, “ordinary” fondu sets are lethal as they are right now in their current iteration and everybody loves a fondu once every few years when they “find” their fondu set at the back of the cupboard after a “big tidy up”.

This could be a game changer!

315215 ▶▶▶▶▶ Major Panic, replying to Two-Six, #442 of 2329 🔗


315217 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Major Panic, replying to Major Panic, #443 of 2329 🔗

oh hang on…. does the heat of the cheese not destroy the virus?

314599 helen, #444 of 2329 🔗

Post Covid 19 Stockholm Peace Summit

Long, broken up, in French & English MUST WATCH


314601 Dan Clarke, 4, #445 of 2329 🔗

As we have all been so bad and NOT doing as we are told, apparently enough to lock us down again, we should all really be dead or dying, but as we arent and in fact the hospitals have more capacity than ever, you would think it would resonate with Johnson and Hancock

314606 Ferd III, replying to Ferd III, 7, #446 of 2329 🔗

The premise of this Fascism has been ‘asymptomatic’ transmission. Another non-science claim by the Covid Religion. 10 million were studied in China. 0 – Zero – None – spread anything asymptomatically. So follow the science. End the bloody lockdowns. 99.7% survival rate. Protect those who die from the flu (+75, existing conditions, weak immune systems). https://theconservativetreehouse.com/2020/12/20/covid-19-study-of-almost-ten-million-finds-no-evidence-of-asymptomatic-spread-media-quiet/

314618 ▶▶ Rosie, replying to Ferd III, 5, #447 of 2329 🔗

It’s the basic lie. Without this one the whole of lockdown, track&trace, masks, fear of one another would vanish.
If we have any hope, it lies in educating people of this fact.

314649 ▶▶ NorthumbrianNomad, replying to Ferd III, 6, #448 of 2329 🔗

Bob’s thread should seal the deal for anyone with an open mind. Even assuming that asymptomatic transmission exists! Chances of being infected if you’re asymptomatic = 0.87%, multiply by probability of infecting someone = 0.7%, multiply by IFR = 0.5% (almost certainly way too high), giving a 1 in 3 million chance of killing someone with your “selfishness”. But the 0.87% figure is based on PCR, and only 3% of those positives are real. So it’s 1 in 30 million. Even if asymptomatic transmission happens at the same rate as symptomatic.

The same people who are terrified of taking a 1 in 30 million risk are praying every week that they win the lottery.

End the lockdowns. Get out of people’s lives.

314624 Country Mumkin, replying to Country Mumkin, 8, #449 of 2329 🔗

Surely now, with imminent food and I suspect, fuel shortage, people will wake?

My husband is still in denial. I’m poorly today and he is asking if I think it’s Covid… “no it’s just a gastric bug or the mackerel pate!”

I’ve asked him to fill up both cars with diesel and buy some extra macaroni for our daughter. We will see what happens.

We definitely do not have enough food for mega food shortages.

314641 ▶▶ Rosie, replying to Country Mumkin, 4, #450 of 2329 🔗

Nobody can, CM. I can’t go along with the concept that the closing of ports is an unforeseen consequence. This has been predictable for many months, in early March I told my street to start to grow their own food. Certainly one of them tried, but – what a strange coincidence – slug pellets were removed from sale from the beginning of 2020 and they had no crops. Growing food without slug pellets is almost impossible even for the experienced grower.

314646 ▶▶▶ Jakehadlee, replying to Rosie, 4, #451 of 2329 🔗

Got to speak up for the ‘hogs here – No it’s not impossible to grow crops without slug pellets, otherwise human civilisation wouldn’t have got off the ground! Had a great crop of veg this year and not a slug pellet or dead hedgehog in sight.

Cabbage Whites on the the other hand…

314671 ▶▶▶▶ Rosie, replying to Jakehadlee, #452 of 2329 🔗

I don’t believe they kill hedgehogs, its just part of the psyops, how the hog charities have been funded. Other things kill the hoggies. I wasn’t talking about 8000 years ago, I was talking about growing food today on a heavy clay soil. and just think of all that hunger that could have been avoided had they been able to control slug numbers better.

As for those caterpillars, I have a set of brushes, dustpan and brush type brushes. Time-consuming but surprisingly effective.

315184 ▶▶▶▶▶ Two-Six, replying to Rosie, #453 of 2329 🔗

There is going to be loads of little hedge-pigs getting snagged up in face nappies and dying of starvation/thirst.

The little buggers get trapped in crisp bags all the time. They go in there for a lick of some salt and vinegar then they get trapped in the bags by their spines. A horrible way to go.

315367 ▶▶▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to Rosie, #454 of 2329 🔗

Other things do kill hedgehogs. I learned this year that dehydration is a bad one for them.

Slug pellets kill anything that eats slugs though.

315418 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ David Grimbleby, replying to JohnB, #455 of 2329 🔗

Cars squash the poor buggers.

316482 ▶▶▶▶▶ richard riewer, replying to Rosie, #456 of 2329 🔗

How do you dispose them?

315364 ▶▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to Jakehadlee, #457 of 2329 🔗

Quite, Jake. The hot summer meant I saw fewer slugs than for at least 10 years.

C’mon, Rosie, slug pellets are bad, mmmm’k ? 🙂

314971 ▶▶▶ Country Mumkin, replying to Rosie, #458 of 2329 🔗

It’s all very pre-meditated from my angle although I think it will take some sustained empty shelves for people to question what’s happening. If they ever will. People cannot conceive of a government doing this on purpose.

There’ll be a lot of pressure to wear masks, to be fearful, to judge others. I’m not looking forward to going out maskless shopping. I was fine with it before.

Out of interest, do you think those in open totalitarian governments just pretend to love their rulers / party. I can’t get my head around why anyone would think this is done for the greater good.

315427 ▶▶▶ Silke David, replying to Rosie, #459 of 2329 🔗

I successfully “treated” my slug problem by going out late evening with a torch and find all the baby slugs and parents and – yes – snipping them into halves with scissors.

315988 ▶▶▶▶ Borisbullshit, replying to Silke David, #460 of 2329 🔗

What a king soul you are!

314625 Cristi.Neagu, replying to Cristi.Neagu, 17, #461 of 2329 🔗


The Health Secretary said people in Tier 4 areas should behave as if they are infected in order to combat the new variant of the disease which spreads quicker than its predecessor.

“Look, we don’t have enough sick people to scare anyone, so can you please pretend you’re infected? Great, thanks!”

Another one to the list:

A virus so deadly that:

  1. You have to take a test to know you have it.
  2. They have to force you to take a vaccine.
  3. And you have to pretend you have it.
314665 ▶▶ Major Panic, replying to Cristi.Neagu, #462 of 2329 🔗

Wancock should behave

314668 ▶▶ mhcp, replying to Cristi.Neagu, 2, #463 of 2329 🔗

Which means if I believe I’m infected then 10 days later I’ll be immune.

314943 ▶▶▶ Ovis, replying to mhcp, 1, #464 of 2329 🔗

No, because the rules are you can never win.

314627 Country Mumkin, 4, #465 of 2329 🔗

In other news, this looks excellent in Ireland. Human rights upheld: the right to work. HR lawyers involved.


314628 mjr, replying to mjr, 6, #466 of 2329 🔗

Testing Passports
there were some posting yesterday relating to the contract invitations which were posted by the government procurement team for work on passports
This twitter was linked
The tweet also linked to the full contract

This is an extract of the relevant info

a. DHSC is planning to deploy negative Covid-19 test certification minimum viable product, to enable workplaces, educational centres, health and social care services and places of business to open to members of the public who have tested negative for COVID-19 within a specified timeframe in addition to other criteria.

b. As part of developing the negative Covid-19 test certification minimum viable product, the Supplier has been requested to provide a Minimum Viable Product to allow trials to take place to enable members of the public to show negative COVID Test status evidence electronically as soon as possible.

c. Upon completion of the Minimum Viable Product Services, DHSC may award a further contract to a supplier to provision the technology developed by the Supplier. This Minimum Viable Product Commercial Agreement does not guarantee the Supplier any future work or orders from DHSC relating to the Minimum Viable Product Services. The award of any further contracts relating to the Minimum Viable Product Services is subject to approvals of the Minimum Viable Product, the business case and funding .

So para a is saying that DHSC do want a covid passport. However they want someone to scope out the requirements, see what can be built and delivered in reasonable time (what they refer to as the MVP – minimum viable product) so that a pilot can take place based on this (para b) . DHSC will then review this MVP and see how it stacks against the requirements and business case and then if it is feasible, take it to the next stage and authorise the build.

Note also a search of the contracts site indicates a couple of existing contracts from September to design build and implement a staff digital passport

“Development of the COVID -19 digital staff passport website, onboarding process for users, relevant system integrations, deployment of the COVID -19 solution for up to 225 trusts, support of the COVID -19 solution for and Cloud hosting of the COVID -19 solution” to “enable staff to more quickly transfer between services especially the Nightingales. This supports the COVID -19 response by easing the movement of staff and the onboarding process.”

314654 ▶▶ karenovirus, replying to mjr, 4, #467 of 2329 🔗

What is supposed to be the point of a ‘vivid negative’ passport which.will only show that the bearer was, probably, negative at the time of the test ? It is out of date the moment they walk out of the door.

Point taken about the government lying when they say there ‘are no such.plans’.

314669 ▶▶▶ Ed Phillips, replying to karenovirus, 5, #468 of 2329 🔗

How does a DBS check guarantee that your employee isn’t a child killer?

It doesn’t. It just adds another senseless, civic society-killing hurdle for the sole reason of employing bureaucrats.

Everything we are seeing at the moment is just the way society has been going for years but on steroids.

314689 ▶▶▶▶ Sam Vimes, replying to Ed Phillips, 6, #469 of 2329 🔗

DBS check says you haven’t been caught – yet.
Negative test says you haven’t caught it – yet.

314700 ▶▶▶▶▶ kenadams, replying to Sam Vimes, 4, #470 of 2329 🔗

When I got my DBS check before I became a trustee for a local playgroup I made exactly the same joke to my wife – ‘I now have a piece of paper in my hands which proves, beyond all doubt, that I have not yet been caught molesting a child’.

314719 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Sam Vimes, replying to kenadams, 2, #471 of 2329 🔗

It’s a certificate of excellence, really, isn’t it? “He’s an expert child molester, he never gets caught”… Mine was a vintage Enhanced CRB.

314630 Achilles, replying to Achilles, 12, #472 of 2329 🔗

In the summer they could use the seasonal nature of the virus to claim lockdowns work. Now we are in winter that fallacy is being exposed as the virus moves around naturally regardless of the measures used. As lockdown is an article of faith however we get the new strain as an explanation. Of course we all know the truth, and perhaps they do to…lockdowns don’t work.

314648 ▶▶ Cristi.Neagu, replying to Achilles, 9, #473 of 2329 🔗

It’s always the same. Rate goes up: “People not following the rules! We need more rules!” Rate goes down: “Our tough but necessary measures are working, we need more of them.” And the one group of people whose job it is to question the government at every step, the media, are not doing their job.

314691 ▶▶▶ Sam Vimes, replying to Cristi.Neagu, 5, #474 of 2329 🔗

The last lockdown was intentionally positioned alongside already falling numbers. It’s all crap.

314681 ▶▶ Banjones, replying to Achilles, 2, #475 of 2329 🔗

But they work very well indeed as a tool for coercion and manipulation. How fiendishly clever.

314695 ▶▶ Crystal Decanter, replying to Achilles, #476 of 2329 🔗

Complete collapse of the crony Coroney system is now the only exit strategy
Do what ever you can (however small)

314635 Tyneside Tigress, replying to Tyneside Tigress, 5, #477 of 2329 🔗

I listened aghast at Niall Patterson on Sky with Professor Andrew Hayward, one of the 4 who came up with the cunning plan for Tier 4 and cancelled Christmas. I have to revise my estimation that the NERVTAG and SAGE advisers are second division ‘scientists’. I was far too optimistic.

314675 ▶▶ Banjones, replying to Tyneside Tigress, 4, #478 of 2329 🔗

It’s about time the risibly named ”SAGE” dropped the redundant ”E”. As all the MPs scarpered as soon as they could, in the middle of what they want us to believe is a ”pandemic” which is worsening (!) then it’s obviously not an ”Emergency”.

The words ”scientific” and ”advisory” appear to be questionable too.

314640 Sam Vimes, replying to Sam Vimes, #479 of 2329 🔗

I call on Figaro.

314643 ▶▶ Al T, replying to Sam Vimes, #480 of 2329 🔗

One call on Figaro…..

314684 ▶▶▶ Sam Vimes, replying to Al T, #481 of 2329 🔗

… Every bugger calls on Figaro! Looks like it’s just you and me, Al T.

314647 Jo Dominich, replying to Jo Dominich, 9, #482 of 2329 🔗

Carl Henllan talking sense again. The answer to his question lies in the WHO response following Wanlock’s statement they said it wasn’the a new strain they have been tracking it for months and tracking it for months. There was not any evidence that it trand mitted more quickly or was any more dangerous than the current one.

314651 ▶▶ NorthumbrianNomad, replying to Jo Dominich, 2, #483 of 2329 🔗

Talking sense except where he says if the new variant really is more easily transmissible, the entire country should be locked down.

314680 ▶▶▶ Will, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, 2, #484 of 2329 🔗

He is calling their bluff. This is project fear and they know it.

314650 Wayne Keogh, replying to Wayne Keogh, 1, #485 of 2329 🔗

Hi all – Everybody needs to view this attachment “What is really happening”…


314726 ▶▶ calchas, replying to Wayne Keogh, #486 of 2329 🔗


Recommend highly.

314655 Schrodinger, 5, #487 of 2329 🔗

But he is qualified to be part of a government who can miraculously micromanage a pathogen.

314656 Banjones, replying to Banjones, 23, #488 of 2329 🔗

Hancock – ”…until we have the vaccine rolled out.”

And there we have it all in a nutshell. Manipulation, coercion, oppression, threat, compulsion, intimidation and menace. Have I left anything out?

314686 ▶▶ Dan Clarke, replying to Banjones, 3, #489 of 2329 🔗

He must be due to make a shed load from the vaccine

314721 ▶▶ Victoria, replying to Banjones, 2, #491 of 2329 🔗

Yep there is your compulsory vaccine

314658 Charlie Blue, replying to Charlie Blue, 2, #492 of 2329 🔗

Clare Craig on Talk Radio now. Might be worth a listen.

314712 ▶▶ Paulus, replying to Charlie Blue, 1, #493 of 2329 🔗

She was, but Mark Dolan allowed Grant Shapps to pat himself on the back for the amazing things this Gov has achieved and agreed with him. Bet ministers will be queuing up for the next couple of weeks while JHB is away.

314789 ▶▶▶ jb12, replying to Paulus, #494 of 2329 🔗

Is she away taking the vaccine?

315990 ▶▶▶▶ Borisbullshit, replying to jb12, #495 of 2329 🔗

No she is having a baby boom.

314660 Ceci, replying to Ceci, 17, #496 of 2329 🔗

Its not lockdown, its an East German theme park

314677 ▶▶ Sam Vimes, replying to Ceci, 1, #497 of 2329 🔗

Winner so far today!

315113 ▶▶ George Mc, replying to Ceci, #498 of 2329 🔗

What’s the theme? Support your local gulag?

314662 George Mc, replying to George Mc, 7, #499 of 2329 🔗

So just after the vaccine is announced, there is a new variant which, we are assured, is far more contagious than the regular one. And just in time for Christmas when this terrifying new variant has “forced” the various countries to impose harsher restrictions on the Christmas schedule.

Just think: at the “festive” season, you have a truly captive audience – not that they were going anywhere anyway! But everyone was building up for Christmas – especially as a relief after 9 months of concerted terror. Ah but that is not to be.

“Look we have this new vaccine! What’s that? You’re backing off? How dare you! Don’t you realise how deadly this illness is? …..Oh OK – then take this: New Variant far more deadly! So what do you think about the vaccine now?

Meanwhile the WW2 conditions have also been ratcheted up with lockdown imposed at midnight at the beginning of Boxing Day. Which also, incidentally, has the effect of further concentrating everyone’s attention on the vaccine selling point of the new variant.

And at this point I would find it difficult to understand if anyone out there isn’t starting to suspect that these astonishing manoeuvres have nothing to do with any virus.

314707 ▶▶ Cristi.Neagu, replying to George Mc, 7, #500 of 2329 🔗

I’m not so sure the main purpose is to punish… I think the main purpose of cancelling Christmas is to increase tensions and hostilities between people. Covidiots (aka “lockdown supporters”) are blaming this whole situation on lockdown skeptics, saying that if people would have just surrendered their freedom, this would all be over. Of course, they are wrong. But they are hostile towards skeptics. And now, after seeing their Christmas being canceled, they will probably get downright violent. This may mean that we’ll start seeing something similar to what we saw in the US, with skeptics going out in the street to protest, and covidiots going out to beat them up. And so the crowds not only police eachother, but they give an excuse for even more police presence. And before long, the UK completely turns into an authoritarian police state, with police on every street, stopping everyone, asking for their papers.

314742 ▶▶▶ Crystal Decanter, replying to Cristi.Neagu, 5, #501 of 2329 🔗

Exactly divide and rule
The only option is to work towards complete collapse of the crony Coroney system
Fortunately this can be done surreptitiously

315110 ▶▶▶ George Mc, replying to Cristi.Neagu, #502 of 2329 🔗

Yes I think you’re right. The new variant has nothing to do with selling the vaccine. (In fact it even renders the vaccine irrelevant since a new variant would logically require a new vaccine). No, the new variant (Covid 2? Super Covid?) is being used as a justification for more draconian Christmas lockdown.

The big issue is: Who swallows TV? Who buys into this now monotone news? Who is bewitched by it and who isn’t?

315143 ▶▶▶▶ George Mc, replying to George Mc, #503 of 2329 🔗

On the other hand, Hancock has said, “we have got a long way to go to sort this” and it will be “very difficult to keep it under control until we have the vaccine rolled out ”.

So the game has been set. If anyone refuses the vax (as I believe they are still entited to do) then they will be relentlessly ostracized by the Covid faithful. This is going to get very ugly very quickly.

315997 ▶▶▶ Borisbullshit, replying to Cristi.Neagu, #504 of 2329 🔗

Oh well I shall look forward to some covid zealots getting violent with me. I know who will be coming off worse!

314672 cloud6, replying to cloud6, 5, #505 of 2329 🔗

Have been crunching some ONS data from the last 9 months, 2019,2018 on death figures (latest reliable) and have found the need to put things in perspective.

Make what you like of the figures but they are true and we did not plunge Britain into chaos in 2018 did we?

314682 ▶▶ Achilles, replying to cloud6, 3, #506 of 2329 🔗

Sorry not listening. Deadly plague, unprecedented threat, Spanish Flu, NHS, second wave, new strain, etc.

314673 Achilles, replying to Achilles, 14, #507 of 2329 🔗

I have a question for Tory MPs. After the latest Christmas debacle whether you are a sceptic or a zealot how much more evidence do you need that Boris is unfit for power and why aren’t you clamouring for a vote of no confidence at the earliest opportunity?

314738 ▶▶ Banjones, replying to Achilles, 5, #508 of 2329 🔗

Because they’ve all run away to spend a nice comfortable, secure Christmas in decent surroundings, seeing who they want to see, and safe in the knowledge that a nice big wodge of public money will be soon inflating their already over-inflated bank accounts.

I’ve just written to my MP again, to say, among other things, that I can’t wish her happy Christmas as she is complicit in making others UNhappy. She actually PRAISED Hancock for his ”emergy” in doing these things!

Here’s three more ‘S’ words – self serving snake.

314830 ▶▶▶ SionnachAirgid, replying to Banjones, #509 of 2329 🔗

Probably all down here in Tier 1 land..

314884 ▶▶ Lyra Silvertongue, replying to Achilles, 1, #510 of 2329 🔗

Because nobody wants to put in the knife right now. Let Bozo continue to own the mess and take power later when it’s most advantageous.

314678 Dan Clarke, replying to Dan Clarke, 4, #511 of 2329 🔗

NERVTAG is being run by Ferguson

314688 ▶▶ Crystal Decanter, replying to Dan Clarke, 4, #512 of 2329 🔗

His girlfriends clunge is getting a good run all through lockdown as well

316000 ▶▶▶ Borisbullshit, replying to Crystal Decanter, #513 of 2329 🔗

Probably not just by rat features either.

316486 ▶▶ richard riewer, replying to Dan Clarke, #514 of 2329 🔗

He’s got a lot of nerve.

314690 Cristi.Neagu, replying to Cristi.Neagu, #515 of 2329 🔗

How do people keep suggesting theme songs? Is there a contact address for Lockdown Skeptics? I can’t seem to find one.

314731 ▶▶▶ Cristi.Neagu, replying to Charlie Blue, #517 of 2329 🔗


314692 chaos, replying to chaos, #518 of 2329 🔗

I watched an interview the other day with James Delingpole and some young guy from Spectator USA.. can’t find it anywhere.. talking about great reset.. anyone help?

314713 ▶▶ Cristi.Neagu, replying to chaos, #519 of 2329 🔗

If you watched it on YouTube, you have a watch history.

314746 ▶▶▶ Crystal Decanter, replying to Cristi.Neagu, #520 of 2329 🔗

FYI – best delete that fren

314722 ▶▶ anon, replying to chaos, #521 of 2329 🔗

try CTRL+H in your browser if you’re on a pc (and you weren’t in private mode nor have zapped your history)

314749 ▶▶ Broken Cornets, replying to chaos, 1, #522 of 2329 🔗

It was on the New Culture Forum channel, but YouTube removed the video yesterday.

314898 ▶▶▶ chaos, replying to Broken Cornets, #523 of 2329 🔗

cheers mate

314792 ▶▶ JVS, replying to chaos, 1, #525 of 2329 🔗

If it was the interview with Peter Whittle on New Culture Forum, I think its been removed. Can’t find it on my watch history or on that channel’s video list 🙁

314914 ▶▶▶ chaos, replying to JVS, #526 of 2329 🔗


315070 ▶▶▶ JanMasarykMunich, replying to JVS, #528 of 2329 🔗

These things normally surface on other platforms. (The censorship is not yet complete.) What was it about?

316016 ▶▶▶ Borisbullshit, replying to JVS, #529 of 2329 🔗

What shits they are.

316019 ▶▶▶ Borisbullshit, replying to Banjones, #531 of 2329 🔗

It was it yes but it says you tube has removed it as it violates their terms of reference. What fascist little cunts they are.

316008 ▶▶ Borisbullshit, replying to chaos, #532 of 2329 🔗

I looked for it again after watching it as wanted to watch it with my partner but it seems to have vanished. It was on ‘counterculture’ by the New Culture Forum. Have U tube pulled it?

316494 ▶▶▶ richard riewer, replying to Borisbullshit, #533 of 2329 🔗


316410 ▶▶ Llamasaurus Rex, replying to chaos, #534 of 2329 🔗

New culture forum channel on yt. It’s gone. Of course. He likened the nwo/reset to the worst thing in our lives. Ww3. He’s absolutely sure it’s real, evil and happening now. And he was quite black pilled about whether it’s too late already. I found it impossible to argue with. I knew he’s right, and that’s a horrible feeling. We have psychopathic elites bribing mini-me psychopathic useful idiots to destroy what we love…and reset it with a combination of Orwellian and huxleyian dystopia. We are fucked. There has to be a way to exist without the despair this will bring ….and it’s going to get much much worse. Maybe black pill. Maybe digital hermit, get out, go to ground and nature.

314693 mhcp, 6, #535 of 2329 🔗

On hospitals:

Heard from a friend that when someone is awaiting a procedure if they test positive they only get the go ahead if they are critical.

What this does is shorten the care curve to a binary decision. So no preemptive care is given.

It’s no wonder that death rates then go up in hospitals and with the added advantage of being labelled a Covid death.

As has been from the start deaths appear to have been due to policy changes and relabelling apples to oranges rather than a real threat of a virus.

314694 chaos, replying to chaos, 17, #536 of 2329 🔗

How the hell is Boris still PM? How the hell are the MP’s not demanding for parliament to resit?

314730 ▶▶ Sam Vimes, replying to chaos, 3, #537 of 2329 🔗

Got to be in on it.

314875 ▶▶ Banjones, replying to chaos, 3, #538 of 2329 🔗

Because they’re nice and secure and comfortable, a happy Christmas anticipated, able to live their own lives as normal (I’d guess) and with good health insurance (paid for out of public money) for peace of mind, and a decent bank balance topped up with expenses.
Where’s the reason to rock the boat?

314702 Schrodinger, replying to Schrodinger, 9, #539 of 2329 🔗

From Twitter a couple of days ago

This is our beautiful son Jack. During lockdown he was living alone 80 miles away. He lost his job, a month later he split from his girlfriend. He could not see his friends. The help he was getting was not enough. He took his own life yesterday. We loved him so much. 25 years old”


314762 ▶▶ PoshPanic, replying to Schrodinger, 3, #540 of 2329 🔗

They make every announcement of increasing measures, with the full knowledge that this is happening.

314784 ▶▶▶ Sam Vimes, replying to PoshPanic, 6, #541 of 2329 🔗

And they announced they were ruining (some) people’s Christmas on Saturday tea time – just when folk were relaxing, or phoning their relatives about plans, or maybe just getting back from buying stuff in. Calculated to cause maximum distress.
What’s the betting the next shit bomb will be dropped on Christmas day?

314703 Kevin 2, replying to Kevin 2, 7, #542 of 2329 🔗

The new strain is utter baloney, of course.

Probably posted before, but here is the take of the Recovery Campaign:-

Recovery today challenged Health Secretary Matt Hancock to reveal the details of the strain of SARS COV-19 that he announced on Monday as a new and more infectious mutation, as evidence emerged that those claims may have been seriously misleading.
On Tuesday 15 December, Professor Nick Loman of the Covid-19 Genomics UK (COG UK) consortium, identified the new set of mutations as VUI – 202012/0. He confirmed that it is not new, as COG UK identified it in September, and there is no proof that it is more infectious. As Professor Sharon Peacock, COG Director, pointed out: “We are still dealing with very thin evidence at the moment about this variant.”
Dr Maria van Kerkhove, the technical lead of COVID-19 response and the head of emerging diseases and zoonosis unit at WHO, has also confirmed that the strain involved has been circulating for many months, though she referred to it as N501Y.
Recovery is challenging Matt Hancock to answer these key questions:

  • Why did he announce this as a new strain on the eve of the tier review when it appears to have been circulating for several months (and may have existed for months more before it was identified)?
  • Why has he made headlines with the news that it’s more infectious when the experts who identified the strain say that we don‘t have evidence for that yet?
  • Will he publish the evidence he has for that so his claims can be independently verified?
  • In the words of the Washington Post, “At a news conference Monday evening, neither Hancock nor England’s chief medical officer, Chris Whitty, released enough data to help the public understand the significance of the new variant.” Does he now regret the way that this announcement was handled, given that it has attracted international criticism?
  • With millions of lives and livelihoods at stake, does he now consider that the statement he made to Parliament about the ‘new’ strain may have been misleading?
  • Does he retain confidence in the Government advisers who briefed him on it?
  • With even the experts at the World Health Organisation who are responsible for tackling the virus apparently confused by the information that the DHSC has provided over the details of the ‘new’ strain, will he remind his department to prioritise accuracy and the clear communication of the known facts over sensationalist language that makes headlines?

“There is a lot of trivial diversity in the spike protein. Over 20000 variants have been reported,” commented Professor David Livermore, Professor of Medical Microbiology at the University of East Anglia. “What is the hard evidence that this new variant really is so different against this background of great diversity? Apparently VUI202012/0 was first found in September. It’s not clear where it came from or how long it had existed previously. The delay before it expanded doesn’t fit with super-infectiousness. Any variant of SAR COV-19 might expand swiftly because it gets into a part of the country which has had a relatively low prior exposure to SARS-CoV2 – like Kent or East Anglia – rather than because it has any particular biological advantage. As ever, talk of ‘exponential spread’ is misleading. We have now repeatedly seen that as exposure rises, spread slows.”
Jon Dobinson, Campaign Director of Recovery, commented, “The evidence suggests that Matt Hancock may have needlessly terrified millions of people by giving misleading information about a variant of the virus which has existed for months. With millions of lives and livelihoods at stake, it is imperative that the Government is seen to be carrying out a balanced and responsible public health campaign. This looks like irresponsible scaremongering. It increasingly seems as though Matt Hancock and his advisors are carrying out an all-out marketing campaign for harsh restrictions rather than taking a balanced and proportionate approach. It is now clear that he and the Government have been guilty of hugely damaging errors in tackling this virus. Are they trying to sustain the panic to avoid being held to account for the damage they have done? That would be criminally irresponsible, given the damage that their actions are causing. But it is increasingly hard to interpret their actions in any other way.”
MUTATIONS IN SARS COV-19 – the technical detail:
Out of 10,333 spike protein sequences analysed to date, 8,155 proteins have one or more mutations. A total of 9,654 mutations have been observed that correspond to 400 distinct mutation sites. The receptor binding domain (RBD) which is involved in the interactions with human ACE-2 receptor and causes infection leading to the COVID-19 disease comprised [sic] 44 mutations that included residues within 3.2 Å interacting distance from the ACE-2 receptor.


314849 ▶▶ Banjones, replying to Kevin 2, 2, #543 of 2329 🔗

It’s all very interesting. But we know it’s not about a virus, don’t we?

314705 Dan Clarke, replying to Dan Clarke, 18, #544 of 2329 🔗

Most of SAGE are made up of Behavioural Scientists, so when Boris says he is following the ‘Science’ it means he is being told how to coerce us re the virus. A obviously mild virus is being used by these people to trash the country

315571 ▶▶ Steve, replying to Dan Clarke, #545 of 2329 🔗

I’m not sure that’s factually true, but the minutes of the various SAGE meetings don’t suggest that they are ever allowed a free debate on the key issues anyway. The minutes read as if the members receive a statement from Messrs Whitty and Vallance and simply nod through their agreement. Being sad, I also read the minutes from Friday’s NERVTAG meeting and noticed that the dynamics were quite different. (Admittedly, only 14 members participated in the discussion, compared to the 80-odd members of SAGE. NERVTAG also has a much higher proportion of genuine Medics and Virologists. ) Its members seemed to raise the right issues and questioned the validity of some of the information they had received. Specifically, their response was couched in terms like “moderate confidence” and “currently insufficient data” and they strongly made the point that more data would be available within 7 days, suggesting that they weren’t prepared to give their masters at PHE a free pass. Sadly, their caution wasn’t allowed to find its way in to the PM’s press conference on Saturday or any of he press briefings. ( https://khub.net/documents/135939561/338928724/SARS-CoV-2+variant+under+investigation%2C+meeting+minutes.pdf/962e866b-161f-2fd5-1030-32b6ab467896?t=1608491166921 )

314708 captainbeefheart, replying to captainbeefheart, 25, #546 of 2329 🔗

Talk about mission creep, we’ve gone from “we only need three weeks to stop the NHS being overwhelmed” to “Christmas is cancelled and we just need to lock down for a few years more until all viruses known to man that cause illnesses have been wiped out of existence”

During this time, more money than ever has been thrown at the NHS. They’ve put temporary hospitals up (and taken some of them down again if I remember correctly) but it is STILL overwhelmed.

Maybe some mindless clapping will help. My sister has gone full on lockdown zealot, posting things on facebook asking people not to blame Boris, but those pesky protesters (didn’t mention the BLM or XR protesters, just the ones demanding our freedoms back).

I don’t think my parents want to come round for my daughter’s first Christmas either (because if they do, they’ll get flak from my sister)

I suppose it is easier to just think that these people stopped living in March 2020 and they are now just a shell of their former self.

RIP most of my family

314718 ▶▶ DRW, replying to captainbeefheart, 5, #547 of 2329 🔗

I know how you feel, mine are just sheep.

314732 ▶▶ Rosie, replying to captainbeefheart, 3, #548 of 2329 🔗

All the best, Captain, for your daughter’s Christmas.

Many years ago my family went through this – same divisions, same blame, different topic. Eventually I learned to RIP those individuals who actively worked to harm me, but hold onto (at arms length) those who were ambivalent in some way. This has worked out, and the horrors of 2020 are breathing fresh life into the relationships that I made the effort to hold onto.

It’s about the time and effort of emotional investment. Don’t waste it on lost causes, do put most of it into your immediate loved ones, and spare some for a few others, where loyalty has been displayed in the past.

314765 ▶▶ Thomas_E, replying to captainbeefheart, 14, #549 of 2329 🔗

I know how you feel. My 6 year old daughter has been distraught for the last couple of days because she will not see any of ehr family over the Christmas period. My wife was on the phone to her mum and she is a complete Hardcore, fundamentalist lockdown fanatic.She thinks we should all be in our houses indefinitely and that all the blame is on the irresponsible people who are not listening to the government. My wife got off her phone completely pale and said to me, I think my mother has lost her mind. Even before this BS Tier 4 nobody wanted to come to our house because I said they are not allowed to wear masks in my house and that my daughter will hug them if they try to stop her I will throw them out.

315016 ▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to captainbeefheart, 6, #550 of 2329 🔗

Thanked my parents for their lovely Christmas gift and got a message from my dad saying I should wear a muzzle and a visor. WTF???

Had to spend a few minutes trying to tell him about exemptions that exist in this country and that I have a condition that means I can’t wear either and I won’t.

Jesus wept. Even the people who raise you become brainwashed as well.

315297 ▶▶ JohnB, replying to captainbeefheart, 1, #551 of 2329 🔗

I don’t think my parents want to come round for my daughter’s first Christmas either (because if they do, they’ll get flak from my sister)

Just don’t tell sister ?

315363 ▶▶▶ captainbeefheart, replying to JohnB, 1, #552 of 2329 🔗

I fear they’re too far gone now. I made a bit of progress with parents before LD2, but this and the fact that my niece had to self-isolate because someone in her sixth form tested positive – and the fact that my nieces other nan died in 2018 – and the fact that my BIL is a police special cuntstable (so doesn’t even get paid) is making everything worse.

I’m sure I spelt that correct, it’s underlined in red in my spellchecker for some reason…

316028 ▶▶ Borisbullshit, replying to captainbeefheart, #553 of 2329 🔗

Sorry to say but your sister sounds lost to the cult.

314709 Smelly Melly, replying to Smelly Melly, 9, #554 of 2329 🔗

Watched “The death of Stalin” last night, I believe it’s a vision of the future. Funny in its idiocy that an either country got I self into, but deadly at the same time. Will we be shouting “long live comrade Johnson”, just before being shoot.

314737 ▶▶ mjr, replying to Smelly Melly, 3, #555 of 2329 🔗

seen it before but just watching it now on iplayer. When i watched it last time i thought “what a good satire”. Now as i watch it i keep picturing the current government in place of the politburo and the police in place of the NKVD.

314963 ▶▶▶ mikewaite, replying to mjr, #556 of 2329 🔗

Exactly my reaction.Totally OTT but impossible not to watch . Amazing that it was on BBC. I wonder if they realised that the viewers would immediately link the dithering incompetent Malenkov to the current occupant of No 10.

315009 ▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to Smelly Melly, #557 of 2329 🔗

Watched it back when it was in the cinema. It may sound like satire then but its definitely our reality now.

314717 jhfreedom, replying to jhfreedom, #558 of 2329 🔗

What a dismal turn of events. I did hear something quite cheery on CNBC Squawk Box Europe this morning, the presenters speculated that the emergency cabinet meeting might actually decide to ease restrictions on shops given the huge economic damage done by the UK being cut off, by Brexit and the Tier restrictions. We can but hope…

314725 ▶▶ Charlie Blue, replying to jhfreedom, 2, #559 of 2329 🔗

It’s a positive thought. I reckon tier 4 for all is more likely.

314728 ▶▶ Ed Phillips, replying to jhfreedom, #560 of 2329 🔗

How jolly!

314777 ▶▶▶ jhfreedom, replying to Ed Phillips, 3, #561 of 2329 🔗

It’s the ‘new jolly’, like finding a rat in Stalingrad

314759 ▶▶ IanE, replying to jhfreedom, #562 of 2329 🔗

Yes – but of course they were just joking!

315452 ▶▶ Silke David, replying to jhfreedom, #563 of 2329 🔗

In summer someone mentioned to me, we will have a harsh lockdown again.
I answered the large chain shops directors will not let that happen.
So sad to have been proven wrong.

314736 FrankiiB, replying to FrankiiB, 7, #564 of 2329 🔗

New cases are the result of Lockdown 2

The government’s local authority heatmaps in England show a clear pattern.

Choose an area of rapidly rising new cases, e.g. Maidstone (Kent) https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/details/cases?areaType=ltla&areaName=Maidstone

Compare this to an area which had high cases October/ early November, e.g. Liverpool https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/details/cases?areaType=ltla&areaName=Liverpool

Result: major rises in new cases are in areas playing catch up, especially in younger age ranges. Liverpool faced its ‘wave’ early, whereas Kent is now facing a delayed wave.
The new ‘virulent’ strain is speeding it up, but the main reason is catch up after Lockdown 2.

CONCLUSION: Lockdown only delays the inevitable.

314751 ▶▶ Jonathan Palmer, replying to FrankiiB, 8, #565 of 2329 🔗

The government admit that lockdown is only an attempt to flatten the curve.
The real reason is to destroy any small or medium enterprises that have managed to stay afloat this long.They also neuter any opposition by stopping meeting and organising.
It is clear now that the government is intent on a scorched earth policy and must be stooped.

314779 ▶▶ jhfreedom, replying to FrankiiB, 4, #566 of 2329 🔗

100%. You cannot control this, it’s like a cold. Or – to re-phrase – you cannot control this at anything like an acceptable price.

314781 ▶▶▶ jhfreedom, replying to jhfreedom, 5, #567 of 2329 🔗

Sorry, it IS a cold…

314887 ▶▶ Banjones, replying to FrankiiB, 7, #568 of 2329 🔗

As Dr Mike Yeadon says – it’s like trying to hide from the weather. It’s still there when you come out.

315726 ▶▶▶ Richym99, replying to Banjones, #569 of 2329 🔗

Speaking of Dr Mike. I see that google have wiped his existance and all of his work from the face of the earth. The only references to him are a few negatively “factchecked” documents and one of two interviews which were posted in the German language.

316037 ▶▶▶▶ Borisbullshit, replying to Richym99, #570 of 2329 🔗

The censorship is definitely tightening…..New Culture Forum videos now being removed.

314740 Basics, 9, #571 of 2329 🔗

33 Spotters Anonymous

Royal Mail deliveries in crisis, the have 200 million more parcels than ever before due to the lockdown switch to online shopping. In places post is be delivered once every two weeks. The Royal Mail have employed 33 thousand temps to get them through the Christmas period.

314741 Smelly Melly, replying to Smelly Melly, 16, #572 of 2329 🔗

How on earth are so many sceptic alive? We don’t wear masks, don’t sanitise our hands every 5 minutes and don’t antisocially distance. Why are any of us alive?

314743 ▶▶ Alethea, replying to Smelly Melly, 5, #573 of 2329 🔗

We are the heralds of Satan, the lieutenants of the Dark Lord!

What other explanation could there be?

314772 ▶▶ Thomas_E, replying to Smelly Melly, 8, #574 of 2329 🔗

I bathe daily in virgins blood ( hard to get in S London) and do my ritual sacrifices to Baal and Moloch..Other than that I’m just a normal Necromancer trying to get trough the day.

314848 ▶▶ Fingerache Philip., replying to Smelly Melly, 3, #575 of 2329 🔗

Because we know the truth.

314903 ▶▶ Banjones, replying to Smelly Melly, 1, #576 of 2329 🔗

We’d probably be compared to Typhoid Mary.

315021 ▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to Smelly Melly, 1, #577 of 2329 🔗

Because my immune system is made of steel!!

315036 ▶▶ Crystal Decanter, replying to Smelly Melly, #578 of 2329 🔗

Whisky kills the Rona

315226 ▶▶ Two-Six, replying to Smelly Melly, 4, #579 of 2329 🔗

I haven’t used sanitizer ever, never worn a mask, I have been all over the country since July, I haven’t bothered to socially distance, I have shared closed indoor spaces with a fair few people. I have been in shops every day up until face nappy day, I have cycled 600 miles since March.

Not so much as even the slightest sniffle, one or two “feeling a bit peaky” moments.


316043 ▶▶▶ Borisbullshit, replying to Two-Six, 2, #580 of 2329 🔗

Which shows what utter bullshit it is as I knew from day one.

316058 ▶▶▶▶ Be Unshakeable, replying to Borisbullshit, #581 of 2329 🔗

Same. I watched everyone freak out about the Ebola scare. I took note of the pictures of the press standing around in everyday clothes out of shot of the hazmat suit guys. I noticed how NYPD stuffed a load of ‘biohazard’ material in a bin on the street. I suspected it was bullshit. It turned out to be bullshit.

I watched a similar thing happen in Syria, with the people cleaning up ‘nerve agent’ in sandals and the terrible acting of the heroic White Helmets. It turned out to be bullshit.

Then I watched the Skripals incident. Many people were conspicuously not dead from one of the most toxic nerve agents on the planet. Probably a load of bullshit. Treason May showed up. Bullshit confirmed.

By the time we got to this nonsense – I took one look at the government grifters and press removing their masks and having a chat after their presentations and I didn’t really need to ask any more questions.

316040 ▶▶ Borisbullshit, replying to Smelly Melly, #582 of 2329 🔗

We are blessed as we use our brains.

314744 PoshPanic, 2, #583 of 2329 🔗

Last week we asked the Gov’t to disclose their Equality Impact Assessment Report

They’ve asked me to sign a GAGGING CLAUSE before releasing it


314748 Victoria, replying to Victoria, 6, #584 of 2329 🔗

Who re-employed him? And why?

FOI request anyone?


314770 ▶▶ RickH, replying to Victoria, 8, #585 of 2329 🔗

The up-side is that his continued presence vividly illustrates what a shit-shower is the package of government and advisors – the incompetent dregs of the scientific community.

314798 ▶▶▶ Basics, replying to RickH, 2, #586 of 2329 🔗

Also demonstrates the shallow talent pool on the darkside.

I wonder who is in the same modelling field as the creature fergusson. They must be pretty pathetic and slug-like* not to have independently used their own talents and published truthful modelling in an absolutely transparent manner. If you cared a jot for your profession wouldn’t you be obligated to demostrate the creature’s mistaken number-cooking?

*exceptions have already dismantled fergusson and imperial practice here on lockdown Sue Denim et al. Where are the hundreds of other University Institutes? Do they model with play dough?

314850 ▶▶▶▶ Jonathan Palmer, replying to Basics, #587 of 2329 🔗

Please remember ‘science ‘is wheeled out to justify the governments draconian policies,not the other way around.
Do not get sucked into this narrative.
This has been the policy since the first lockdown when the decision was made despite sage not even considering it.

314803 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to Victoria, 1, #588 of 2329 🔗

It’s because his model is black box stuff. They’ve no choice but to have his input if they want to use it. As someone who works in IT management that’s my theory. We have had one or two developers on projects that if they left before end we would have to spend 12 months just trying to pick up the reigns.

314810 ▶▶ tarfu, replying to Victoria, 2, #589 of 2329 🔗

Looks like a murderer, does’t he.
Oh wait, just a minute …….

314837 ▶▶ Tom Blackburn, replying to Victoria, #590 of 2329 🔗

He’s got the opposite of the Midas touch.

314899 ▶▶ Banjones, replying to Victoria, #591 of 2329 🔗

Good grief. What a scruffy-looking oik.

315350 ▶▶ Ben, replying to Victoria, #592 of 2329 🔗

Is that a photograph of Neil Ferguson in a prison cell?

316046 ▶▶ Borisbullshit, replying to Victoria, #593 of 2329 🔗

God that married lover has shit taste in men.

314753 Barney McGrew, 2, #594 of 2329 🔗

Thanks Lockdown Sceptics for at least giving me some laughs this morning. Following the Séance gave me some proper belly laughs; I loved the piece in Conservative Woman, and the Who Wants to be a Millionaire was excellent.

314754 Cristi.Neagu, 5, #595 of 2329 🔗

Reading the section about the London protests reminds me of Dire Straits – Iron Hand . Looks like Mark Knopfler was right: we really haven’t changed since ancient times. Looks like they’re back to using the same old tactics as before. Overwhelming police force. Cavalry against pedestrians. Hiding their badges and their faces. It looks like we’re in a civil war, whether we like it or not.

314764 ▶▶ RickH, replying to Victoria, 1, #597 of 2329 🔗

I think we need to lend moral support to the Police Federation and the decent police they represent. They won’t be relishing what they’re forced into.

314785 ▶▶▶ Will, replying to RickH, 9, #598 of 2329 🔗

Like they weren’t relishing their duties in London over the weekend? Fuck em.

314804 ▶▶▶▶ Darryl, replying to Will, 8, #599 of 2329 🔗

Agree, the TSG are absolute psychopaths. I think some people need to come outside and face reality – the police act like an occupying force, this isn’t about safety its about control and total submission.

314814 ▶▶▶▶▶ Basics, replying to Darryl, 1, #600 of 2329 🔗

I agree with you.

314966 ▶▶▶▶ RickH, replying to Will, 2, #601 of 2329 🔗

Seeing the fuzz as one undifferentiated mass is a mistake – as earlier protests have shown.. The TSG is a particular group. Just saying ‘fuck ’em’ in general isn’t going to achieve anything.

315276 ▶▶▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to RickH, #602 of 2329 🔗

Seeing the fuzz as one undifferentiated mass is a mistake – as earlier protests have shown.

Of course it is. But chatting about the weather in comparison to getting beat up – I know which would stick in my consciousness the longer.

The TSG is a particular group.

The technical term is ‘bunch of cunts’.

Just saying ‘fuck ’em’ in general isn’t going to achieve anything.

Hard to say. Crystallises opposition, emboldens others.

314797 ▶▶▶ Darryl, replying to RickH, 8, #603 of 2329 🔗

The Police Federation appears to want laws to enforce the tyranny and crack down harder. They are more than happy for its members to beat up peaceful protestors every weekend. I have yet to meet a single decent police officer since March – all brainwashed stormtroopers.

314809 ▶▶▶▶ Basics, replying to Darryl, #604 of 2329 🔗

The Scot Pol Fed have voiced some reasonable contrary opinion over 2020. Not to imply this is equal at other police trade unions. I have heard nothing from Scot Pol Fed about Christmas border bans.

314758 Ceci, 2, #605 of 2329 🔗

Carlsberg don’t do Christmas Pantomimes but if they did………..

314766 Liam, 3, #606 of 2329 🔗

Just seen the pic of Ferguson a few posts back. Definitely a touch of Himmler about him,

314769 Victoria, replying to Victoria, 7, #607 of 2329 🔗

“Face masks in schools create a climate of fear”

“They have urged the Govt to withdraw its advice on the use of face masks in school as a matter of urgency,adding that masks should play no part in the life of healthy children”


Wish I could read the whole article (paywall)

314778 ▶▶ DocRC, replying to Victoria, 11, #608 of 2329 🔗

Here it is:

 Face masks are being used in schools in a way that breaches the World Health Organisation guidelines, senior medics have warned.
The use of masks in classrooms has led to a “climate of fear” in schools, according to an open letter to the Prime Minister signed by a hundred academics, medics, paediatricians and clinical psychologists.
They have urged the Government to withdraw its advice on the use of face masks in school corridors “as a matter of urgency”, adding that masks should “play no part in the life of healthy children”.
Their intervention comes amid a major row between ministers and teachers about the roll-out of mass testing at secondary schools next term.
Signatories of the letter point out that ministers justified their recommendation for face masks in schools by citing WHO guidance.
“However, within the same guideline, the WHO states that when authorities recommend masks for children, monitoring and evaluation should be established at the onset,” they said.
This evaluation should include analysing the impact of masks on children’s physical and mental health as well as their development, learning and attendance.
But the Government has not complied with this aspect of the guidance, the medics claimed. Neither the Department for Education nor the Department for Health and Social Care has carried out the necessary monitoring and evaluation, according to information obtained under freedom of information laws by the parent campaign group UsForThem which co-ordinated the letter.
Many secondary schools and even some primaries are now “requiring children to wear masks in class” despite official guidance stating that this should be avoided, the letter said.
“Masks for teachers especially impedes learning for those children with special educational needs and adds to the climate of fear,” it added.
The letter urged ministers to send “urgent instructions” to all schools and nurseries explaining that the use of face masks in classrooms is “not only unnecessary but potentially harmful and must stop”.
Signatories include Dr Damian Wilde, a specialist clinical psychologist, Dr Jennifer Prouten, a consultant physician, Dr Elizabeth Corcoran, a consultant psychiatrist and Ellen Townsend, a psychology professor at Nottingham University.

314855 ▶▶▶ Victoria, replying to DocRC, #609 of 2329 🔗


314782 ▶▶ Cristi.Neagu, replying to Victoria, #610 of 2329 🔗

You can read the whole article if you want to, you just need to stop the page loading at the correct moment.

315481 ▶▶ Ben, replying to Victoria, #612 of 2329 🔗

2020 – the year teachers, schools and teachers unions revealed how much they despise children

314771 Sam Vimes, replying to Sam Vimes, 11, #613 of 2329 🔗

Aaaarrghghg! Another mutant strain discovered!!! Coronavirus has infected smart phones and merged with the auto-type function to produce Asymptotic Transmission. This deadly new variant is approaching you all the time, but you never actually meet it…

314795 ▶▶ Alethea, replying to Sam Vimes, 1, #614 of 2329 🔗

most elegant joke so far this morning

314800 ▶▶▶ Alethea, replying to Alethea, 4, #615 of 2329 🔗

… indeed it prompts me to offer you in return my annual Christmas Joke (off-topic, forgive me):

What does a grammarian call Santa’s little helpers?
Subordinate clauses.

314826 ▶▶▶▶ Sam Vimes, replying to Alethea, 3, #616 of 2329 🔗

Now, that’s classy. I’m all for grammar and stuff, innit.

314774 Ceci, 7, #617 of 2329 🔗

Matt and the beanstalk

‘ The hapless Matt is sent to market to sell all the assets of the UK. He returns home with some magic vaccine beans’

You lot are pretty creative take the story up from there

314780 vargas99, replying to vargas99, 22, #618 of 2329 🔗

I suspect a bit of panic in Downing Street this morning. It is patently obvious that they did not foresee the French shutting the border. Shapps (Transport Secretary) said this morning that he will be calling his French counterpart later today. Now, surely, any rational person who had considered the impact of the new variant bullshit announcement would have thought to check that there would be no negative impact as a result in advance of the announcement. But, as we are all too aware this Government does not believe in impact assessments.

Now they have to go grovelling to Macron.. what a bunch of…. seriously I cannot think of a word strong enough to describe my contempt.

314790 ▶▶ jhfreedom, replying to vargas99, 12, #619 of 2329 🔗

Genius French. Should force us to concede in the Brexit negotiations too. Recall Macron is part of the reason we went into a lockdown in March too. He threatened to shut the border. This time, he’s just gone ahead and done it. Nasty, but effective.

315287 ▶▶▶ kf99, replying to jhfreedom, #620 of 2329 🔗

More like genius Remainer Ultras in SAGE. Which is probably most of them

314801 ▶▶ Crystal Decanter, replying to vargas99, 8, #621 of 2329 🔗

All part of the plan to reverse 2016
We have to stay in the EU now because of new variant of the bat cold

314818 ▶▶▶ RickH, replying to Crystal Decanter, -9, #622 of 2329 🔗

Brexit was always an irrelevant and costly distraction built on illusions.

314829 ▶▶▶▶ Crystal Decanter, replying to RickH, 3, #623 of 2329 🔗

The EU is a Neo Liberal monstrosity.
Old Labour knew this.

314845 ▶▶▶▶▶ RickH, replying to Crystal Decanter, 1, #624 of 2329 🔗

As is the British parliament.

In both cases, this is about the content, not the framework. The illusion is that global neoliberal freemarketry can be escaped by just opting out of the framework.

314927 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Crystal Decanter, replying to RickH, 2, #625 of 2329 🔗

But less government should always be the default rational option
Whether it works or not is another matter
The carnage it has caused (especially to pig fucker in chief Cameroon) was worth it

315131 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Cristi.Neagu, replying to Crystal Decanter, #626 of 2329 🔗

Unfortunately, the people in charge of government are the people who can make the government smaller, and they’re the same people that profit from big government. That’s why Trump is so important for the world. He is the only major world leader in quite a long while that has actually reduced government power with his tax cuts. It’s a small step in the grand scheme of things, but it’s a step nonetheless, one that not many are even willing to consider.

315348 ▶▶▶▶ Ben, replying to RickH, #627 of 2329 🔗

Replace the word Brexit with Democracy

314864 ▶▶ Cristi.Neagu, replying to vargas99, 8, #628 of 2329 🔗

If supermarket shelves once again go empty, we’ll know what this was: an attempt at manufacturing a credible excuse for cancelling Brexit. “You saw how everyone starved when France closed the border just for two days! What happens if they close it forever? We cannot do this.”

314934 ▶▶▶ Dodderydude, replying to Cristi.Neagu, 1, #629 of 2329 🔗

I can’t believe what I just heard on the Radio 2 news summary. I didn’t catch who he was (maybe a Retail Consortium spokesman) but a chap just reassured us that it would be wrong to think that the supermarkets might have completely empty shelves “There will be more than enough wine, crackers and gin as these are all things that the shops stock up on long before Christmas. What there might be a shortage of is salads and fresh vegetables.” And he wasn’t being ironic. Oh, so that’s all right then. Panic over.

315468 ▶▶▶▶ Silke David, replying to Dodderydude, #630 of 2329 🔗

Definetely enough crackers for everyone. As the hospitality industry haven’t used any. Just my ex employer in our market town would have used at least 3000 for various xmas parties.
Just a shame these crackers are not edible, even washed down with wine and gin, like one needs to do with the edible ones.

315194 ▶▶ JohnB, replying to vargas99, #631 of 2329 🔗

It’s a plan, vargas, not incompetence or a panic.

Hold on to that contempt though ! 🙂

314783 Lockdown_Lunacy, replying to Lockdown_Lunacy, 14, #632 of 2329 🔗

I wasn’t sure whether or not this could get any more damaging and dangerous that it already has. But here we are.

This is getting very, very serious now. When are people going to realise?

314794 ▶▶ jhfreedom, replying to Lockdown_Lunacy, 4, #633 of 2329 🔗

The way this ends is in quiet, mass non-compliance. Ken Marsh of the Police Federation is doing as much good as any Central London protest, he speaks a lot of sense. I literally no NO-ONE complying 100%, even those worried about the virus are not following the rules.

314796 ▶▶▶ jhfreedom, replying to jhfreedom, 1, #634 of 2329 🔗

know not no

bad day for spelling sorry…

314851 ▶▶▶ Cristi.Neagu, replying to jhfreedom, 10, #635 of 2329 🔗

Because people worried about the virus aren’t actually worried about the virus. They’re just doing what they’re told. If Boris comes out tomorrow and says the virus is gone, they won’t question it for a second. Stop thinking of these people as rational human beings. They are sheeple, more open to authority than to their own minds. When you do that, it will all start to make perfect sense.

314913 ▶▶▶▶ Banjones, replying to Cristi.Neagu, 3, #636 of 2329 🔗

That’s true. I often think, as I watch these dimwits swanning around in the good fresh air muzzled to the eyeballs – what if I stopped them and asked WHY they’re muzzled. Would they be able to give a cogent answer?

But they make me feel so furious, I doubt if I could splutter out a polite question, before clawing maniacally at their stupid face.

315127 ▶▶▶▶▶ Cristi.Neagu, replying to Banjones, 2, #637 of 2329 🔗

“There’s a pandemic, mate!”
“It’s the law.”
“Just doing my part in protecting others.”
“Cause it’s what the experts said.”
And a bunch of other non-reasons that remove responsibility and the burden and thought from themselves and surrenders all personal freedom to the state.

316247 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Borisbullshit, replying to Cristi.Neagu, #638 of 2329 🔗

I did actually ask one a while ago….their reply was ‘haven’t you heard there is a pandemic’. My reply was yes….one that kills 0.05% of the population mostly those who are already nearly dead.

314788 tarfu, replying to tarfu, 7, #639 of 2329 🔗

So, I have read variously that there are 9,654, 4,000, 20,000 and 40,000 mutations of the virus. A second variant has been announced and caused the cancellation of Christmas. Where are the rest of the variants then?
Who can be trusted with any statistical fact?
What would happen if the Covidiots and zeolots realised there were so many mutations out there?
Can anyone answer these questions?

I think I will go into hibernation. Wake me next year if there is any prospect of life getting back to normal
Dispairing Yours, Tarfu

314831 ▶▶ Be Unshakeable, replying to tarfu, 4, #640 of 2329 🔗

‘Mutations’ is a bit misleading, as is ‘strain’. The spike protein makeup is highly diverse, there are thought to be around 20000 variations so far, of this new type is one. There is no evidence to suggest this type is any more infectious than any of the others.

314793 swedenborg, replying to swedenborg, 3, #641 of 2329 🔗

The article quoted in the update from Lancet

COVID-19 Global Mortality: Comparing Actual and Modelled Patterns in Space and Time Using an Infection Fatality Rate (IFR) Model


Rather bland in the abstract but much more interesting reading the whole article
“Mortality variations remaining unexplained by age could reflect differences in the: accuracy of data, proportion of the population infected, efficacy of public health interventions or pre-existing population resistance or vulnerability to infection.”

In the article
“Israel and Malaysia both have average ages around 30. Israel has 3.1% of the population above 80 years, whereas in Malaysia it is only 1%. So although the average age may be similar, the IFR is not”

“One plausible reason for the regional variations in mortality, for example, for the different experiences of East and South-east Asia compared with Europe and North America, and the higher mortality in Latin America, might be regional variations in pre-existing immunity, possibly related to exposure to other seasonal coronaviruses, to the COVID-19 virus”

“Japan, the latter having exceptionally low mortality despite having the highest average age in the world, yet with prevalence studies in some parts of Japan showing the infection is very common.(8) The most likely explanation for mortality variations is variation in the proportion of the population infected, which is commensurate with seroprevalence studies, although our analysis usually indicates a higher proportion of the population has been infected than indicated by most research on the prevalence of antibody”

314866 ▶▶ Kevin 2, replying to swedenborg, 2, #642 of 2329 🔗

Have to say that the last para is self-contradictory in respect of Japan.

Japan is a very interesting case study.
No lockdowns, of course.

But also they consume a lot of natto (fermented soy bean), which is one of the few natural sources of Vitamin K12, which is known to prevent hardening of the arteries and therefore can prevent blood clots. And hugely more beneficial than statins.
(Sauerkraut and meat offal are other sources, by the way.)

I take a Vitamin K12 plus Vitamin D3 combined supplement.

Even the Grauniad flagged up the benefits…


314867 ▶▶ vargas99, replying to swedenborg, 2, #643 of 2329 🔗

“pre existing immunity..” that’s heresy!

314802 Margaret, replying to Margaret, 13, #644 of 2329 🔗

The people who are running this country, and I mean running it into the ground, must never have been taught as children that actions have consequences.

Some examples:

Track and trace/test and trace meant that a high proportion of medical staff and teaching staff would have had to isolate, leading to shortages in schools and hospitals.

Work from home meant that firms realised they didn’t really need so many staff/couldn’t afford to pay staff, so redundancies followed- not to mention the destruction of the economy.

Announcing lockdowns and tiers beforehand meant that people went out for one last fling.

After telling folks that there was a lethal virus on the loose and frightening them all to death, they had to make people wear masks to give them confidence to go shopping.

After encouraging everyone to eat out to help out, they then blamed the hospitality industry (wrongly) for an increase in positive tests.

After promising everyone Christmas, then withdrawing it and locking down London, it ensured (just as happened in Wuhan and N Italy) that people escaped before the lockdown so trains were crowded.

Tell everyone that we have a virus mutation and the whole of Europe shuts us out.

And so it goes on and on and on.

Right. Off on an elf hunt now! A little piece of sanity in a mad world!

314815 ▶▶ Sue, replying to Margaret, 8, #645 of 2329 🔗

because they’ve never had a ‘real’ job and been bought up by nanny in the nursery with a silver spoon stuffed in their gob. They may have all the useless PPE degrees but have absolutely zero common sense and zero comprehension of how business works.

316253 ▶▶▶ Borisbullshit, replying to Sue, #646 of 2329 🔗

Hey dont knock the PPE degree JHB has one.

314822 ▶▶ Crystal Decanter, replying to Margaret, 2, #647 of 2329 🔗

Because they can just print more money and steal it from the young
printing press goes Brrrrrrrrrr since 2008

314824 ▶▶ swedenborg, replying to Margaret, 6, #648 of 2329 🔗

Absolutely spot on. They knew that school closures would possibly lead to NHS staff pressure with 20 % less staff. This for a virus which contrary to flu is not sustained by children leading to staff pressure when we needed them most at the peak.

314843 ▶▶ Cristi.Neagu, replying to Margaret, 7, #649 of 2329 🔗

You seem to be assuming that the people behind this don’t know what they’re doing. And while Boris and co. are for sure a bunch of spineless useful idiots, the people who are actually running things aren’t. This is all directed. The efficiency of these measures at manipulating the crowds indicate a well thought out plan, not bumbling stupidity.

315188 ▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to Cristi.Neagu, #650 of 2329 🔗

Well said Cristi !

315198 ▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to Margaret, 1, #651 of 2329 🔗

Won’t be surprised if some of our leaders have not been properly disciplined as children. They were able to wrap daddy & mummy around their little finger and were never told off if they were naughty.

314805 Cranmer, replying to Cranmer, 17, #652 of 2329 🔗

My arch-sceptic other half had a good insight. I was saying to her how much I missed things like going to pubs, church, cinema etc and meeting with friends. Her reply was stark:

‘Why do you miss being with people and organisations which have unquestioningly, even in some cases happily given up freedom and livelihoods, not just their own but that of others?

‘Why do you want be with people who think people like us (sceptics) are criminals and disease-spreaders? You shouldn’t miss them any more than you would miss being with collaborators in an invasion’.

314819 ▶▶ Alethea, replying to Cranmer, 17, #653 of 2329 🔗

I think there are two things here: the physical reality of the group meeting (friends at the pub, members of a community choir, etc) and the cognitive and emotional experience of being with ‘like-minded’ people. The state has banned the physical meeting; what your partner refers to is the harder-to-bear truth that many of the members of the group have ceased to share your basic perceptions of the world.
As a sceptic I am literally isolated by the prohibitions on social contact, but more damagingly I am also symbolically separated from some of my closest friends and family by a great gulf of mutual incomprehension.

314835 ▶▶▶ Cristi.Neagu, replying to Alethea, 7, #654 of 2329 🔗

All planned. This has moved the average chat from the personal and private (where you were free to say anything and explore any possibility) into the realm of the online, where your every word is monitored and stored forever, always ready to be used against you. It is, in a way, performing the same task Newspeak was performing in “1984”: that of limiting thought. When we can only speak in a limited set of concepts, either cause our language doesn’t have the words or because the medium we use doesn’t permit the words, then our thinking is also limited. And limiting thought and debate is a key step in making the public more compliant to authority.

314852 ▶▶▶▶ Alethea, replying to Cristi.Neagu, 7, #655 of 2329 🔗

I’ve noticed on several occasions that when I express my dissent from the covid orthodoxy people seem literally unable to hear what I’ve said. It reminds me of the days when the mainstream assumption of every normal person’s heterosexuality was so powerful that it was sometimes quite hard to get anyone to ‘hear’ a statement of one’s own homosexuality.

314856 ▶▶▶ Cranmer, replying to Alethea, 7, #656 of 2329 🔗

Yes. My other half’s view is that the pleasures of the ‘old world’ were never particularly real to start with, more a sort of confection of comforting illusions, peopled with fair-weather friends. What matters to her now is the handful of solid meaningful relationships she has and doing things that can’t easily be subject to ideological control – walks in the country, cooking, tending the garden, reading etc. She has no illusions about life, coming originally from a middle eastern country where her father was imprisoned and tortured for opposition to the ruling regime.

315181 ▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to Alethea, 1, #657 of 2329 🔗

The state hasn’t actually banned physical meetings – worth revisiting the laws/guidance, then finding a nearby group and/or a sympathetic venue ? There is loads of wriggle-room.

Friends/family can be total fuckwits, I agree.

314832 ▶▶ Basics, replying to Cranmer, 8, #658 of 2329 🔗

Why? Because colour, pattern, texture, difference brings society to life. The dull grey wash of 2020 is miserable.

314807 Sue, replying to Sue, 20, #659 of 2329 🔗

Had bit of a blow out yesterday at the gym … i found some keys in the car park so handed them to reception and the youngish guy got a paper roll stuff to pick them up – i thought ‘what a nob and continued’.
In the changing room a woman said “there’s some sterilising stuff there if you want to clean your locker” … oh boy i think she may have regretted asking as i said that’s completely unnecessary and then i got on my soapbox about the whole thing about the virus and tests, the government incompetence, lockdowns, police brutality at peaceful protests, and we’ll still be in this position all of next year etc.
At one point (when i paused for breathe 🙂 she said she hadn’t installed the track n trace as didn’t feel comfortable about that. I said well this time next year you probably won’t have a choice in the matter the way things are going.
I did apologise for banging on – but honestly the complete lack of critical or analytical thought by the majority – just to ask why? what’s the evidence? are there other perspectives on this apart from the msm/gov?
I gets my goat and she was unfortunately in the firing line for my frustration. So what she expected a nice flowery, useless inane conversation didn’t quite happen – suffice to say i don’t think she’ll be offering the sterilising gunk to other folks in the changing room. 🙂

314817 ▶▶ Cristi.Neagu, replying to Sue, 8, #660 of 2329 🔗

Most people are sheep. Went into a B&Q store the other day and a guy dressed up as Santa offered me hand sanitiser to clean my hands. As i refused i should have told him that he should be offering it to people leaving the place where everyone touches everything, not the other way around. People don’t think at all. They’re told to do something and they do it, even when it’s clearly idiotic. People do not think critically any longer, and they are afraid to question authority. The definition of submissiveness.

315492 ▶▶▶ Silke David, replying to Cristi.Neagu, 1, #661 of 2329 🔗

I always wonder about the people who voluntarily sanitize their hands between shops. Unless you sneezed into you hand in between, why?!?!

315744 ▶▶▶ Richym99, replying to Cristi.Neagu, #662 of 2329 🔗

When I went to B&Q they told me that I had to take a trolley to ensure that I kept everyone 2 metres away from me. Was I dizzy when I came out of the store having to spin around constantly so nobody could sneak up to the side of me.

315346 ▶▶ Ben, replying to Sue, 1, #663 of 2329 🔗

It’s not Government incompetence though

315487 ▶▶ Silke David, replying to Sue, #664 of 2329 🔗

Nice one. When we returned to work in July, our manager provided sanitizer so we can clean our lockers. As we do not share our lockers, there definitely is no need to sanitize it and no-one ever did.

314808 dhid, replying to dhid, 1, #665 of 2329 🔗

I may be a stuck record but..

Some may remember that yesterday I mentioned posts being removed.

It’s now the day after, I have just rechecked in yesterdays comments, and I can categorically say the short thread of replies I started with mentioning that Desmond Swayne was on Talk Radio has disappeared completely!

I can’t remember who joined me in replying to someone that, as a UK broadcast station, Talk Radio had to be careful what they said.

If that person, or someone who saw it, are reading this I would appreciate some confirmation that I’m not imagining this.

The final person I replied to was someone(thing?) that had <something> and “BlackPudding” in their ID.

The person I originally had a slight “go” at also mentioned that Mike Graham of Talk Radio, was on holiday this week, which he was due to be, but appears to have changed his mind and is on TR now.

314821 ▶▶ Cristi.Neagu, replying to dhid, 1, #666 of 2329 🔗

Not saying comments aren’t being removed, but this comment section cannot deal with the amount of comments usually posted. When it gets into 1000+ comments, it’s horrendous.

314836 ▶▶▶ dhid, replying to Cristi.Neagu, 1, #667 of 2329 🔗


Yes it does struggle I know, but it was a thread that was replied to several times and although it became a bit rude, it wasn’t terrible.

If posts are being removed there should be note to that effect.

At least we then know where we stand perhaps.

314868 ▶▶▶▶ Basics, replying to dhid, #668 of 2329 🔗

I am struggling later in the day. The effect of adding the disgusting mask adverts to the page tamboobla has made opening the comments box fraught with danger – my entire screen seems to become a hyperlink that when pressed shoots me off to god knows which corner of the internet. Then it’s a reload drama to return and job to locate the post I intended to comment about.

Part of this is memory in my device. I sometimes am only able to load a few hundred comments, the page functions normally but just incomplete comments. Is it possible your missing conversation is there for others but not for you because of glitch?

315028 ▶▶▶▶▶ dhid, replying to Basics, 1, #669 of 2329 🔗

Yes that can be an issue, but I have a newish pc with plenty of memory and it runs pretty well.

I have worked with PCs since the days of the first IBM PC in the late 80s.

The most problems I have had, have been with m!cr0s0ft – lol.

I did all the usual stuff of shutting down, clearing “cookies” etc and pc was shut down all night and rebooted this AM. btw – I have ad blocking turned on which helps not to see some of of the crap.

315171 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to dhid, -1, #670 of 2329 🔗

Ha, me too (early 80s in fact). Always MSoft = problems. 🙂

Try the scrolling to the bottom, dhid, and report back.

315164 ▶▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to dhid, -2, #671 of 2329 🔗

As per above, they are not being removed.

When there are lots of comments, if you scroll to the bottom you’ll see the page is refreshing. Repeat until no refresh.

314828 ▶▶ calchas, replying to dhid, 2, #672 of 2329 🔗

I remember the exchange.

314838 ▶▶▶ dhid, replying to calchas, #673 of 2329 🔗


314876 ▶▶▶▶▶ dhid, replying to Sam Vimes, #675 of 2329 🔗


Should it have shown with a pink background as a “new” post does when I clicked on your link??

It was NOT there earlier!

PS – What exactly did you do to find it – if you don’t mind me asking?

315015 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Sam Vimes, replying to dhid, #676 of 2329 🔗

Ctrl+End repeatedly, to make sure page was scrolled all the way to the bottom (do it till the scroll bar button stays at the bottom). Then Ctrl+F to search for ‘black pudding’, which fortunately stands out from the crowd.

315051 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ dhid, replying to Sam Vimes, #677 of 2329 🔗

Thanks – that’s what I did, both yesterday before I posted my query about it being missing, after I posted, it and again this morning.

I also had shut down after clearing cookies and rebooted, twice.

In addition I had sorted both from “oldest” and “newest” – checking with “newest” sorting that paging down to the last (first) post showed that first post. The “activity” indication in the browser had also stopped btw.

I also copied all text to the clipboard and pasted in Notepad++ and searched for various terms including me “dhid” and was able to find posts both before and after the offending, missing one, posted by me.

I did wonder if my tongue in cheek, but perhaps rude comment about Bunker 77 and Lt. Col. might have been responsible…

Who knows anymore.

Worryingly I am just down the road from Bournemouth! Lol!

315092 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ dhid, replying to dhid, #678 of 2329 🔗

I have also just noticed that this missing/reappearing thread HAS CHANGED!

The first “person” to query about Talk Radios direction was a mixed alpha-numeric ID, (in addition to the one “jb12”)!

I should also like to point out that “who” I replied to seems to have changed – I certainly didn’t reply insultingly to myself and I certainly wasn’t intending to be rude to Wolver but to this now missing ID which it DID originally show!

This is very creepy.


I also recall that the “missing” alpha-numeric IDs post replied to my reply about number of brain cells “he” might have, with a comment which told me to “desist” which is what made me loose the plot and start to become rude to “him” NOT Wolver.

I am not a nut job that IS what it said!

“Desist” is a rather strange term as I thought at the time.

315172 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to Sam Vimes, -2, #679 of 2329 🔗

Well done Sam. I should have scrolled down before recommending dhid scroll down ! 🙂

315330 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ dhid, replying to JohnB, #680 of 2329 🔗


315750 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to dhid, -2, #681 of 2329 🔗

Piss off dhid.

If it’s not obvious, someone else is also posting as JohnB today.

All that time I spent trying to help you, mumble mumble, mutter mutter …

315778 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ dhid, replying to JohnB, #682 of 2329 🔗

Oh dear did I “trigger” you – if not stay tuned….

316080 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to dhid, -1, #683 of 2329 🔗

Not at all. You’re just a fuckwit apparently incapable of realising there are (at least) two JohnB s posting today.

316243 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ dhid, replying to JohnB, #684 of 2329 🔗

Yes of course there are – must have a word about your medication with your keeper……..

316565 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to dhid, #685 of 2329 🔗

Has the covid fucked your IQ ?

315155 ▶▶ JohnB, replying to dhid, -2, #686 of 2329 🔗

So good you posted it twice. And the mods missed it twice …


1 day ago

Reply to jb12

and you – Stick it up your arse twat!




1 day ago

Reply to dhid

Stick it up your arse twat!



315260 ▶▶▶ dhid, replying to JohnB, #687 of 2329 🔗


315785 ▶▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to dhid, -2, #688 of 2329 🔗

Again, bollocks.

This was me (JB1). Serve me right for being too helpful. Story of my life …

315994 ▶▶▶▶▶ dhid, replying to JohnB, #689 of 2329 🔗

Entirely unsurprising given the medication you are on.

316081 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to dhid, -1, #690 of 2329 🔗

More than one JohnB , dhid.

Which bit are you finding difficult ?

316252 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ dhid, replying to JohnB, #691 of 2329 🔗

Your medication really isn’t good…..

Never mind – it makes me laugh at you – cruel I know…..

316568 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to dhid, #692 of 2329 🔗

Embarrassing is the word you’re looking for …

316571 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to dhid, #693 of 2329 🔗

Projection ?

314811 George Mc, replying to George Mc, 4, #694 of 2329 🔗

Margaret Klein Salamon, psychologist and founder and executive director of US NGO, The Climate Mobilization, spoke of fighting climate change “with a World War II-scale mobilization.”

It is that model of propaganda that is being used with covid. Previous manufactured scares were relatively ineffective. Talk of climate change had a feeble impact. The vast majority of the population shrugged and thought, “Well that’ll still be decades off so it won’t affect me.” And you could have the skeptics who claimed it was all a con. You could demonise then as “conspiracy nuts”. But, on the whole, it was all just a talking point at get-togethers.

The “War on Terror” had been far more effective. But no matter how many convenient bombings and aerial/ vehicular crashes, the vast majority of the population again shrugged and thought, “It won’t happen to me!” And again you had the skeptics claiming false flag who again could be denounced as “conspiracy nuts”. And again – it’s just a talking point to most people.

The trouble with the above is that people in general aren’t going to care much about the “big issues” you want to shove down their throats if these people are living complacently comfortable lives with reasonable security.

You need a clear and immediate danger that stares everyone in the face all the time and which can provide a justification for draconian laws introduced at breakneck speed without question.


It is only though this virus meme that you have a pretext to shut down the whole of society, scare everyone into keeping away from each other, constantly terrorise them over all media – and indeed commandeer the media for this one monolithic purpose (so that all Western media comes to resemble the image of Soviet totalitarianism), brand all sceptics as dangerous, suspend medical services and even have the audacity to blandly announce that this sorry situation (but good for you) will go on forever and ever. It is only with covid that “conspiracy theory” becomes “ dangerous conspiracy theory”!

314901 ▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to George Mc, 3, #695 of 2329 🔗

Except it won’t go on forever. Economies are fragile and if one collapses, survival instinct kicks in.

314812 Be Unshakeable, replying to Be Unshakeable, 5, #696 of 2329 🔗

Just sitting here watching the £ and the FTSE both dropping like a stone. It’s dead Jim.

314823 ▶▶ calchas, replying to Be Unshakeable, 2, #697 of 2329 🔗

Dollar surging back today. Looks like they might need another stimulus package.

All stock markets hard down.

314897 ▶▶ Ewan Duffy, replying to Be Unshakeable, 2, #699 of 2329 🔗

No doubt those in the know sold out on Thursday and will be able to buy back at lower prices today or tomorrow.

314912 ▶▶▶ Crystal Decanter, replying to Ewan Duffy, 2, #700 of 2329 🔗

Buy Back Better

314945 ▶▶ arfurmo, replying to Be Unshakeable, 6, #701 of 2329 🔗

FTSE down 3% . If you had £1000 in the index, you’ve lost £30 on paper. If you have £100 000 you are down £3000 on paper. Disappointing but not life changing. “It’s time in the market, not timing the market.” “A long term investment is a short term investment gone wrong”. A lot of FTSE companies have overseas earnings so a weaker pound increases them. Nil desperandum.

314827 Joseph, replying to Joseph, 16, #702 of 2329 🔗

We are witnessing the deconstruction of the old order.

As they always say, the darkest hour comes before the dawn.

I have renewed faith today. Getting grounded and aligned.

It’s the winter solstice today, and the very rare Jupiter/Saturn conjunction.

Stay strong.

314872 ▶▶ calchas, replying to Joseph, 5, #703 of 2329 🔗

Yes, exactly.

As always, those in power think they can control things.

Central planning does not work.

314889 ▶▶▶ Cristi.Neagu, replying to calchas, 5, #704 of 2329 🔗

What do you think this lockdown is? It’s an attempt at stopping the world from being unpredictable. Authoritarianism removes human factors from the equation. Just look at how compliant the majority is.

314896 ▶▶▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to Cristi.Neagu, 1, #705 of 2329 🔗

For now.

315122 ▶▶▶▶▶ Cristi.Neagu, replying to Nick Rose, #706 of 2329 🔗

One can only hope that it’s for now. The outlook is grim.

314878 ▶▶ Basics, replying to Joseph, #707 of 2329 🔗

Thumbs up.

314909 ▶▶ Crystal Decanter, replying to Joseph, 6, #708 of 2329 🔗

I’m so looking forward to Mad Max world

315012 ▶▶ Cranmer, replying to Joseph, 2, #709 of 2329 🔗

Yes, this is one of those big moments in history, like 1917, 1939 or 1989. Things are never going to be the same but right now we have no idea what way they are going to go.

315558 ▶▶ Ben, replying to Joseph, 1, #710 of 2329 🔗
314833 AngloWelshDragon, replying to AngloWelshDragon, 31, #711 of 2329 🔗

I thought I had cancelled my Conservative Party membership some months ago so was surprised to get an email about my impending renewal. This is my response:


Please cancel my membership with immediate effect. I cannot condone the continuing ruination of our economy, ancient liberties, mental and physical health, family and cultural life that this governments has wrought.

This war against Covid – is pure insanity. Clearly it is not Ebola or the Black Death:

– 99.97% survival rate
– average age of Covid fatality higher than the national life expectancy
– 80% of people asymptomatic
– Limited evidence of asymptomatic transmission
– I could go on and on and on but I’m sure you are as capable or reading Heneghan, Gupta, Yeadon etc as I am!

And now the supposedly mutant version which spreads quickly and has no symptoms. Not only is that kind of like nature’s own vaccine but I just read on Sky that it was first detected in Brazil in the Spring suggesting it is 1. Not actually that infectious 2. You have just ruined the haulage industry, damaged imports and exports and made us an international pariah over a virus that will almost certainly prove to be everywhere! Well done!

Yours in sorrow and disappointment.


314863 ▶▶ NappyFace, replying to AngloWelshDragon, 2, #712 of 2329 🔗

Well said.

315237 ▶▶ wat tyler, replying to AngloWelshDragon, 1, #713 of 2329 🔗

Well done Sue .If there are anyone on this site who is still a member of a mainstream party i urge you to do same .

314844 Andrew K, replying to Andrew K, 15, #715 of 2329 🔗

Driving past the cinema in Muswell Hill, North London and noticed this on the main message display.

“Lockdown 3, worse trilogy ever”

314874 ▶▶ Cranmer, replying to Andrew K, 1, #716 of 2329 🔗

I would add to that ‘but the next ten sequels might be better.’

314894 ▶▶▶ chaos, replying to Cranmer, 5, #717 of 2329 🔗

I hear Meghan Markle gets her tits out in Lockdown 8.

315132 ▶▶ JohnB, replying to Andrew K, -1, #718 of 2329 🔗

It’s the humour that says we will win. 🙂

314847 BoneyKnee, replying to BoneyKnee, -58, #719 of 2329 🔗

So Toby is still banging out his non-facts, nutjobs amd conspiracy theories. Everyone in the world is incompetent other than Stable Genius Toby. Let’s point out there is a person in the USA who’s done a Powerpoint “proving” nobody in the USA has died from Covid. Disgusting, mate. That post puts you down in the gutter with Alex Jones and the Sandy Hook was a fictional enactment.

I can buy that lock-downs might not be the best approach – that is a debate about what to do. Most of your pieces remain denial and disinformation aimed at reducing reader’s confidence in reputable sources. This site would get full marks from Trump, Putin and the other purveyors of bollox.

314857 ▶▶ Hoppy Uniatz, replying to BoneyKnee, 16, #720 of 2329 🔗
314996 ▶▶▶ PoshPanic, replying to Hoppy Uniatz, #721 of 2329 🔗

Is this a documentary?

314860 ▶▶ AngloWelshDragon, replying to BoneyKnee, 2, #722 of 2329 🔗

The literati has arrived. Not.

314861 ▶▶ RickH, replying to BoneyKnee, 3, #723 of 2329 🔗

Well – that made as much sense as a government communique.

P.S. So Sandy Hook was about Covid, was it? Now there’s a conspiracy theory to wrestle with!

314931 ▶▶▶ BoneyKnee, replying to RickH, -7, #724 of 2329 🔗

No. It’s an analogy – I think that’s the word. I am saying that posting about one man who thinks nobody has died of Covid in the USA is similar to Jones denying Sandy Hook. It’s just dumb.

314982 ▶▶▶▶ Basics, replying to BoneyKnee, 3, #725 of 2329 🔗

Hmm why would a Britisher be talking in terms of Sandy Hook surely you would be Unburying Dunblane first?

What an unpleasant mind to peer into.

315044 ▶▶▶▶▶ BoneyKnee, replying to Basics, -3, #726 of 2329 🔗

Britisher? You sure! You assume so much about posters. I can’t use Dunblane as an example because nobody in the UK was mad enough to claim it never happened.

315063 ▶▶▶▶ Mayo, replying to BoneyKnee, 2, #727 of 2329 🔗

I don’t think anyone is saying that no-one has died of Covid in the USA but it’s possible a lot of people who might have died anyway have been labelled as Covid deaths.

If you think there is a problem with the figures in the article then get the data and show us. I’ll happily read your analysis.

315115 ▶▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to BoneyKnee, #728 of 2329 🔗


314865 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to BoneyKnee, 7, #729 of 2329 🔗

You forgot anti vax. Then you’d have a the full set.

It’s just death rates. Why does that annoy you so? Not grim enough is it

314869 ▶▶ captainbeefheart, replying to BoneyKnee, 9, #730 of 2329 🔗

Like most websites, the comments are the best bit…

I’ve had loads of posts removed from the Guardian because I voiced an unfavourable opinion of the Guardian.

It’s nice being allowed to voice one’s opinion isn’t it?

314871 ▶▶ Recusant, replying to BoneyKnee, 7, #731 of 2329 🔗

So, the post about excess deaths provides a time series with numbers, and sources. You’re free to dispute the numbers, dispute the reasoning and dispute the conclusions. What you are not free to do is mischaracterise it as “proving” something it doesn’t claim, associate it with people who have nothing to do with it or fulminate with no rebuttal. Because that just makes you look like a cunt.

314906 ▶▶▶ BoneyKnee, replying to Recusant, -13, #732 of 2329 🔗

I was here Day 1 and participated quite a bit in discussions about the best way to handle the outbreak. I am somewhat a lockdown sceptic. In that I think other measures properly taken make lockdowns unnecessary. In the early days there was a debate around some common facts.

People do post papers and videos showing the world is flat and that the Moon landings were faked. I don’t need to analyse or rebutt in detail to say that they are junk. Do you seriously think that there have been no deaths from Covid in the USA? I would suggest that if you do then you are expletive.

314977 ▶▶▶▶ Recusant, replying to BoneyKnee, 2, #733 of 2329 🔗

I have no opinion on the USA, but when I want to criticise a post that included numbers I focus on the numbers and not by invoking Alex Jones.

315118 ▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to Recusant, -1, #734 of 2329 🔗

Because that just makes you look like a cunt.

I bet Nature beat him/her to it. 🙂

314883 ▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to BoneyKnee, 5, #735 of 2329 🔗

Been on leave? Not seen you here for months. Temperature unlikely to rise above 77 degrees today in Berkshire.

314921 ▶▶▶ BoneyKnee, replying to Nick Rose, -14, #736 of 2329 🔗

Thanks Nick and Tim for the greetings. I disappeared because the site wasn’t for me given Toby’s non-stop tabloid-style approach and general crap – among some much higher quality points. I wondered where he got to given the mess we are in today. Toby is still peddling mostly garbage Trump-style. Did you know all the voting machines were hacked and he can prove it?

314975 ▶▶▶▶ AngloWelshDragon, replying to BoneyKnee, 14, #737 of 2329 🔗

And now we know you are full of sh!t and don’t actually even bother to read Toby’s output. Toby has said nothing about Trump or voting machines. His complete lack of interest in the subject has been a huge bone of contention with James Delingpole.

If you are going to waste everyone’s time at least try getting your facts right.

315227 ▶▶▶▶ wat tyler, replying to BoneyKnee, 3, #738 of 2329 🔗

As you know he doesn’t believe anything of the sort and fell out with James Dellingpole over that very point .

315248 ▶▶▶▶ Two-Six, replying to BoneyKnee, 2, #739 of 2329 🔗

Toby hasn’t written much for LDS for a long time now. It shows you haven’t been paying attention. Your wrong too, about everything.

315008 ▶▶▶ dhid, replying to Nick Rose, 2, #740 of 2329 🔗

It’s 77 in Bournemouth at the moment too. Funny number “77”.

314885 ▶▶ Tim Bidie, replying to BoneyKnee, 4, #741 of 2329 🔗

Welcome back.


‘The probability that a person who has a positive result (SARS-CoV-2 detected) is truly infected with SARS-CoV-2 decreases as positivity rate decreases, irrespective of the assay specificity.

Therefore, healthcare providers are encouraged to take into consideration testing results along with clinical signs and symptoms, confirmed status of any contacts, etc.

Users of RT-PCR reagents should read the IFU carefully to determine if manual adjustment of the PCR positivity threshold is necessary to account for any background noise which may lead to a specimen with a high cycle threshold (Ct) value result being interpreted as a positive result.’

Pieter Borger, Bobby Rajesh Malhotra, Michael Yeadon, Clare Craig, Kevin McKernan, Klaus Steger, Paul McSheehy, Lidiya Angelova, Fabio Franchi, Thomas Binder, Henrik Ullrich, Makoto Ohashi, Stefano Scoglio, Marjolein Doesburg-van Kleffens, Dorothea Gilbert, Rainer Klement, Ruth Schruefer, Berber W. Pieksma, Jan Bonte, Bruno H. Dalle Carbonare, Kevin P. Corbett, Ulrike Kämmerer:

This paper will show numerous serious flaws in the Corman-Drosten paper, the significance of which has led to worldwide misdiagnosis of infections attributed to SARS-CoV-2 and associated with the disease COVID-19.’


314886 ▶▶ peyrole, replying to BoneyKnee, 8, #742 of 2329 🔗

‘Reputable sources’ presumably includes NHS and ONS data? Or CDC in the US?
I am not aware that someone like Heneghan has used anythig but.
The problem you have is actual data and evidence. It is the government and SAGE peddling lies.
Typical psyops comment, ignore.

314890 ▶▶ Crystal Decanter, replying to BoneyKnee, 8, #743 of 2329 🔗

Until I see bodies in the streets and NHS nurses too busy to fanny around on Tiktok then I’m afraid Covid 19 is a bit of a business as usual burger

314900 ▶▶ Stuart, replying to BoneyKnee, 7, #744 of 2329 🔗

Once mask hypoxia kills sufficient brain cells there’s no coming back.

314907 ▶▶ Danny, replying to BoneyKnee, 14, #745 of 2329 🔗

Statistics speak for themselves. Mortality is at usual levels for December, fact. All but the very sick and very old and frail have around a 99.7% survival rate with this. Mortality age for Covid is above average life expectancy.
Now you can react to that well, or you can panic, but the response doesn’t change the facts, only the response.
Disgraceful to equate not succumbing to this hysteria with the sick people who tried to deny the horrors of a school shooting.

315034 ▶▶▶ RickH, replying to Danny, 3, #746 of 2329 🔗

Mortality is at usual levels for December.”

This is the key piece of current data when you cut through the propaganda bullshit. More – from June until the autumn, through all those drunken impositions of ‘measures’, mortality was at remarkably low levels.

Some crisis!

What is often not appreciated is that one of the key techniques of propaganda is omission – and it is the above facts that are never reported in the BBC bulletins as being th over-riding facts.

315125 ▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to Danny, -3, #747 of 2329 🔗

Err, fuck off Danny. Were you at Sandy Hook on the day, or are you just repeating what you’ve heard ?

314908 ▶▶ Kevin 2, replying to BoneyKnee, 4, #748 of 2329 🔗

“Most of your pieces remain denial and disinformation aimed at reducing reader’s confidence in reputable sources.”

What reputable sources??!
I’m not sure I know of any in the mainstream.

315030 ▶▶▶ PoshPanic, replying to Kevin 2, #749 of 2329 🔗

bylinetimes? Owen Jones?

314917 ▶▶ jhfreedom, replying to BoneyKnee, 4, #750 of 2329 🔗

I agree that conspiracy theories sully the very important debate around proportionality of response. I have read super articles on why our response is not right, which end with conspiracy theories and I’m left thinking “why did you have to ruin it with that nonsense”.

315126 ▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to jhfreedom, -3, #751 of 2329 🔗

You’ll get it right soon, jhf, keep going !

314928 ▶▶ NappyFace, replying to BoneyKnee, 1, #752 of 2329 🔗

Interesting- what’s your take on it all then?

314959 ▶▶▶ BoneyKnee, replying to NappyFace, -12, #753 of 2329 🔗

Look to Korea and other nations that have not locked down. This virus is serious and deadly – but that doesn’t mean you cannot operate within the hazard safely. I spent years in “dangerous industries” where we assessed risk and mitigated so workers could function at near normal levels of risk. None of this seems to be being done because of the noise mainly from our stupid politicians. Johnson acts like it’s an air raid and once lockdown is over it is “All Clear”. It’s not. Until we are vaccinated you live with the risk all the time – you manage it and minimise it.

We’ve confused the hell out of everyone with conflicting messages – Toby has done more than his fair share. Lockdown is an admission of failure. It shouldn’t be necessary – see Korea and others.

315022 ▶▶▶▶ RickH, replying to BoneyKnee, #754 of 2329 🔗

Comparisons between very disparate countries are misleading. Climatic and other factors come into play.

315049 ▶▶▶▶▶ BoneyKnee, replying to RickH, -3, #755 of 2329 🔗

Yes. All needs careful analysis – which we don’t get here. Just Toby’s junk journalism.

315130 ▶▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to BoneyKnee, -1, #756 of 2329 🔗

Ooh, ohh, ‘ deadlivirus ‘.

Well done, you can tick that off your 77th script.

314954 ▶▶ BTLnewbie, replying to BoneyKnee, 2, #757 of 2329 🔗

The article didn’t claim that no-one had died from Covid, simply that there wasn’t an unusual number of exess deaths this year. You can draw the conclusion, if you like, that those who did die from/with Covid would have sadlidied anyway.
I presume that the deaths figures quoted are correct, or is your point that they are not – in which case what are the correct figures.

314983 ▶▶ Jakehadlee, replying to BoneyKnee, 3, #758 of 2329 🔗

Unfortunately you’ve completely misunderstood what was being said about the figures in the US.

There’s a very simple way to tell whether Covid is a deadly virus or not. If a noticeable increase in annual deaths has occurred then it is. But such an increase has not happened and so therefore it’s not a health emergency.

No more people than expected have died in the US this year. Some people died of Covid. Probably far fewer than official figures.

But even if every single person who died in the US this year died from Covid, and no one died of anything else, it’s still not a health emergency because no more people than usual are dying and the age at which people die is the same as usual.

It’s a pretty simple equation.

315067 ▶▶ Mayo, replying to BoneyKnee, #759 of 2329 🔗

Get the data and show us where the article is wrong. Please do it.

314854 NappyFace, replying to NappyFace, 9, #760 of 2329 🔗

Starvation is a better way to go than Covid – is that the reasoning being applied by those in charge of public health?

Are these people interested in public health? Do they understand what they are in charge of?

314888 ▶▶ karenovirus, replying to NappyFace, 4, #761 of 2329 🔗

They claim to be acting for the greater good, as facists do.

314858 Achilles, replying to Achilles, 4, #762 of 2329 🔗

So there will be rapid testing of all school/college children and staff (at least in Kent) come January. Not compulsory of course but you know what that really means. Anyway they will be using Lateral Flow Tests not PCR tests so is that likely to be a good or bad thing for us? What is the current situation with the LFT? I assume it will still have false positives as every test does (just through poor procedure alone) but then they didn’t get a single positive using it at Cambridge Uni did they?

314870 ▶▶ Victoria, replying to Achilles, 5, #763 of 2329 🔗

That will be child abuse – do not allow your child to be tested

314873 ▶▶▶ Achilles, replying to Victoria, 2, #764 of 2329 🔗

I won’t, thousands will.

314910 ▶▶▶▶ jhfreedom, replying to Achilles, 2, #765 of 2329 🔗

I will ask the school for the full consequence to my child if I withhold consent. And if going for the test is done in confidence. Then I’ll make a decision. All for a modified cold. Pathetic. Anyway, the unions are going to sabotage the process, so we will be back to the pure hell of home learning again for secondary kids.

314968 ▶▶▶▶▶ Achilles, replying to jhfreedom, 3, #766 of 2329 🔗

…and it is pure hell. Just 7 hours a day of anodyne homework in my daughters case. Maybe for some families it’s endless fun of baking cakes, exploring new ideas with each other and emotionally reconnecting, but that wasn’t quite the reality in my house.

315111 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to Achilles, #767 of 2329 🔗

Not trying to be a git, Achilles, but what goes on is up to you, yes ?

314877 ▶▶ RickH, replying to Achilles, 4, #768 of 2329 🔗

The result still seems closer to reality than over-egged PCR testing.

314879 ▶▶ Dodderydude, replying to Achilles, 1, #769 of 2329 🔗

Presumably Cambridge Uni results were false negatives of false positives!

314895 ▶▶ p02099003, replying to Achilles, 1, #770 of 2329 🔗

If it shows negative then that is assumed correct.
If it shows positive then a “more accurate” PCR test is required. Until the result of that is known then you self isolate.
That’s the protocol in place for my company.

314904 ▶▶▶ Achilles, replying to p02099003, 4, #771 of 2329 🔗

Ah I see. So the PCR is the Gold Standard. Ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha….somebody shoot me.

314936 ▶▶▶▶ Cranmer, replying to Achilles, 3, #772 of 2329 🔗

Reminds me of that scene in the Royle Family:

‘How are your new scales, Cheryl?’
‘They’re much more accurate than the old ones.’
‘You mean you’re lighter on them?’

314926 ▶▶ Tyneside Tigress, replying to Achilles, 1, #773 of 2329 🔗

Insignificant number of positives, because the LFTs are only picking up active virus. The lockdown forever crowd don’t like them, because they do not deliver the result they want, unlike the PCR regime. That said, absolutely no need to test anybody except the teachers, in my view, because they need to be made to get back to work in many cases.

315121 ▶▶▶ p02099003, replying to Tyneside Tigress, #774 of 2329 🔗

According to the FAQ from my company the LFT also picks up parts of the virus that could have been present for up to 90 days, which is the justification for the RT-PCR test. I did mention that it is the PCR test that detects viral debris.

314935 ▶▶ BTLnewbie, replying to Achilles, 1, #775 of 2329 🔗

Switching to the LFT must show fewer +ve test results – someone posted this yesterday:

Between November 30 and December 12, 43,925 lateral flow tests were carried out, with 79 returning positive.
The students who tested positive on a lateral flow test were asked to take a PCR test, as these are known to be more accurate.
Of the 35 PCR tests which have so far been analysed, 13 have been positive.
So far the positivity rate is 0.03 per cent, compared to the Scotland average of 4.4 per cent as of December 17.

314939 ▶▶▶ BTLnewbie, replying to BTLnewbie, 1, #776 of 2329 🔗

and Laurence posted this:
The Haringey website is very revealing – quote below from their weekly COVID report:
“In the 7 days up to 13 December, 6,382 COVID-19 tests were conducted on Haringey residents, of which 922 were positive. Of these, 5,866 were PCR tests with 921 of these positive, and 516 were Lateral Flow Tests, of which 1 was positive. Please note this is a count of tests, not people, therefore there may be duplicate test results. (Data taken from Pillar 2 Dashboard on 16 December 2020)”

315004 ▶▶▶ RickH, replying to BTLnewbie, 2, #777 of 2329 🔗

“a PCR test … known to be more accurate.”

Only at Ct<~20

Another flying pig passes the window.

314859 Smelly Melly, replying to Smelly Melly, 4, #778 of 2329 🔗

According to Talk Radio there have been 12700 identified mutations of the “deadly” covid virus since March.

315014 ▶▶ Kevin 2, replying to Smelly Melly, 1, #779 of 2329 🔗

Up until about two weeks ago, the predominant narrative was that coronaviruses mutate slowly!!

314881 Recusant, replying to Recusant, 12, #780 of 2329 🔗

Those morons who thought it was really clever to scare people with an unspecified “variant” in order to give them cover to shaft people’s Christmas plans never considered that other countries would be listening. Now the borders are closed and Britain is being treated like a leper, I bet they are looking each other in the eye and saying “nobody must ever find out about this.”

314951 ▶▶ Banjones, replying to Recusant, 8, #781 of 2329 🔗

I think that’s giving them far too much credit for being incompetent. This is just following the plan – they know EXACTLY what consequences follow which actions.

315020 ▶▶▶ Jo Dominich, replying to Banjones, 2, #782 of 2329 🔗

I don’t think it’s any plan. It is obvious by now that they never think anything through. They shot from the mouth to scareminger and cancel Christmas and never fir one minute thought about the consequences. They now find themselves up shit creek without a paddle the only exit being to admit the variant is not as they thought it was.

314882 JamesDrebin, replying to JamesDrebin, 9, #783 of 2329 🔗

Anyone else seen this utter cancer (attached) pop up on their Faecesbook this morning?

I’ve actually heard two people parrot the exact same low-information people-blaming auto-response at work today, and it’s only 10:45am.

If I could just not wake up tomorrow, that would be great. Seriously.

314905 ▶▶ Stuart, replying to JamesDrebin, 4, #784 of 2329 🔗

Christmas is a red herring. This is the Crashout Lockdown.

314911 ▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to JamesDrebin, 5, #785 of 2329 🔗

I’m taking a break from Arsebook as some of the posts have been bad for my blood pressure and was making me violent.

314919 ▶▶▶ Cranmer, replying to Bart Simpson, 4, #786 of 2329 🔗

Yes, it’s best to ignore it – I only use it for my business and it’s hard when posting things etc to ignore the ways they lure you in – it’s all designed to hook you like a fruit machine.

314967 ▶▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to Cranmer, 1, #787 of 2329 🔗

I mostly use the messaging function now as that’s the one good way to keep in touch as well as check the conductors & orchestras I follow for their gigs but that’s just about it.

315207 ▶▶▶▶▶ Cranmer, replying to Bart Simpson, 1, #788 of 2329 🔗

Yes, in case you don’t know already, you can open the Messenger function separately without having to engage with the rest of Facebook.

315213 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to Cranmer, #789 of 2329 🔗

How do you do that on your laptop? I know you can do that on your mobile.

314933 ▶▶▶ Paul, replying to Bart Simpson, 3, #790 of 2329 🔗

I’ve given up on it completely now,even a local history page,which was enjoyable and friendly,has been taken over by covid zeaolots,they can stuff it all.

314969 ▶▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to Paul, 2, #791 of 2329 🔗

I’m lucky that the groups I follow have not yet succumbed to that madness but I avoid people I know who have fallen for all this hook, line and sinker.

316005 ▶▶▶ PastImperfect, replying to Bart Simpson, #792 of 2329 🔗

Don’t let them get to you. Be ruthlessly forensic and detached from the melee. Team up with one or two other sceptics to keep the opposition off balance. Don’t try to convince your adversary, he/she is probably 77th anyway, but keep pounding the truth, with references aiming to influence people who may just be checking the thread out of interest.

It will be good for your blood pressure when you gang up and trounce a cocky idiot or two.

314950 ▶▶ Basics, replying to JamesDrebin, 3, #793 of 2329 🔗

This is spi-b. Forensically follow the chain of sparked synapses that resulted in that being brought into the world and you’ll find a spi-b wretch behind the final curtain.

315311 ▶▶▶ Be Unshakeable, replying to Basics, #794 of 2329 🔗

It’s beginning to look a lot like Tavistock.

315011 ▶▶ mhcp, replying to JamesDrebin, 3, #795 of 2329 🔗

Replace the pandemic with Jews protesting for freedom and draw on a little moustache on the Dear Leader.

314893 PastImperfect, 1, #796 of 2329 🔗
314915 NappyFace, replying to NappyFace, 4, #797 of 2329 🔗


“How should you talk to friends and relatives who believe conspiracy theories?”

No comment.

314941 ▶▶ Basics, replying to NappyFace, 2, #798 of 2329 🔗

It’s been decided by bbc dis info clair/spring that the bbc readership knows what a conspiracy theory is has it? Well, most bbc readers would not be able to articulate what they in fact mean when asked to outline the label conspiracy theory. Propaganda blak hypnotism at work. One response to being called a twat is to ask for details, same with conspiracy theorist, often there’s an inarticulate hypnotised mush behind the words.

314978 ▶▶ PoshPanic, replying to NappyFace, #799 of 2329 🔗

She clearly has no grasp of the subject at all..

“Conspiracy theories tend to be simple, powerful stories that explain the world. Reality is complex and messy, which is harder for our brains to process.”

315027 ▶▶ calchas, replying to NappyFace, #800 of 2329 🔗

Which is why when talking to those who have swallowed the official line, I never propose alternative explanations.I simply quote statistics and notes from official documents.

I think it is always better if the dialogue takes place in the mind of the believer.

Try quoting that government document from 19th March which says that covid-19 is not a high consequence infectious disease.

Don’t try and explain it. Just put it out there.

315033 ▶▶▶ Jonathan Palmer, replying to calchas, #801 of 2329 🔗

Government are damned by their own statistics.But what happens when you are questioned WHY would they do this?

315060 ▶▶ Kevin 2, replying to NappyFace, #802 of 2329 🔗

By email??

315073 ▶▶ JohnB, replying to NappyFace, 1, #803 of 2329 🔗

Stunningly hilarious !

1: Keep calm

2: Don’t be dismissive

3: Encourage critical thinking

4: Ask questions

5: Don’t expect immediate results

If people were able to stick to these suggestions when discussing things, there would be vastly more ‘conspiracy theorists’.

My experience suggests its not me who gets agitated, dismissive, or is unable to think.

PS/Edit: Marianna Spring is an utter shit.

315158 ▶▶ Crystal Decanter, replying to NappyFace, 1, #804 of 2329 🔗

Tell them about Big Pharma absolving themselves of all liability from the Frankenjab

315257 ▶▶ Two-Six, replying to NappyFace, #805 of 2329 🔗

I was gonna comment but then dried up.
I guess that will have to do.

314920 Bart Simpson, replying to Bart Simpson, 11, #806 of 2329 🔗

What a bunch of maroons and nincompoops.

So not content to cancel Christmas and scare the brainwashed even more, they announce that there is some Teenage Mutant Ninja Virus running amok to the point that even other countries have gone batshit crazy and close their borders to us.

You literally couldn’t make this up.

Someone should really pay for this.

314948 ▶▶ jb12, replying to Bart Simpson, 5, #807 of 2329 🔗

They are blocking the borders due to the negotiations, the ‘new’ strain is the excuse – just like it is for the increased lockdowns.

314956 ▶▶▶ Basics, replying to jb12, 4, #808 of 2329 🔗

Variant not strain. We need to be on that. The screamy fear they are working up can be easily defused by making the distinction.

314972 ▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to jb12, 5, #809 of 2329 🔗

Even the likes of Macron and Merkel aren’t faring well on their domestic front either. This seems to smell of a set up.

314974 ▶▶▶ Will, replying to jb12, 3, #810 of 2329 🔗

The UK only has itself to blame for making up this horse shit.

314922 Will, replying to Will, 3, #811 of 2329 🔗

It seems pupils are going to have to undergo compulsory tests to return to school in the new year. Can someone on Twitter let Simon Dolan know.

315006 ▶▶ Country Mumkin, replying to Will, 6, #812 of 2329 🔗

I think Us for Them are well aware and they will be campaigning. I will be clearly in the no consent camp.

I have 3 other sets of skeptics parents in my child’s class. It’s a fee paying school so I hope we will collectively refuse to pay if they say we must test.

It has to be informed consent. That was pushed for and obtained in Liverpool in the end.

315082 ▶▶ muzzle, replying to Will, 1, #813 of 2329 🔗

A friend I spoke to yesterday is volunteering to do some testing in schools. He actually works in a school related job. I said what if someone refused to be tested and he assumed they would not be permitted to go to school but then we both agreed that nobody can be denied an education so how does that work?

314923 Achilles, 16, #814 of 2329 🔗

Occasionally I’ve had a fear that I might be convicted of a crime I didn’t do and put in prison like those poor schmucks who get fit up by the police and released after appeal 20 years later. I’ve wondered how I would survive and how intolerable it would be. Fortunately I haven’t been convicted and sent to prison but it has now actually happened. I didn’t do anything, they just built the prison around me.

314924 OKUK, replying to OKUK, 11, #815 of 2329 🔗

So the award for Lockdown Sceptic of the Year goes to whom?

Gotta be Tobes, I think, for starting this site and allowing us to stand apart from the hysteria. and insanity created by the government, media and second rate “scientists”.

314932 ▶▶ Jenny, replying to OKUK, 5, #816 of 2329 🔗

Agree. Toby Young.

314940 ▶▶ jb12, replying to OKUK, 1, #817 of 2329 🔗

I would like to put myself forward.

314961 ▶▶ PoshPanic, replying to OKUK, 1, #818 of 2329 🔗

It’s a tough field, but yep agreed

314985 ▶▶ Crystal Decanter, replying to OKUK, 2, #819 of 2329 🔗

Best Hitchens by far
Anna Brees for the ladies

314986 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to OKUK, 5, #820 of 2329 🔗

I’ll say he should curate the award.

For me it is Ivor Cummins as his videos have done so much to set my thinking on the right path.

315055 ▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 5, #821 of 2329 🔗

Using Liverpool FC as an example, they are very clear that there is no personal superstar, the team is the superstar.

So our award should be a team award, and include Toby, Cummins, Dolan, Coleman, Brees, Henneghan, HItchens, etc. etc.

315304 ▶▶▶▶ kf99, replying to JohnB, 1, #822 of 2329 🔗

And how about Swayne for Parliamentarian of the year?

315746 ▶▶▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to kf99, #823 of 2329 🔗

He voted for the covid2020 act. Role player is all.

314925 PatrickF, replying to PatrickF, 7, #824 of 2329 🔗

Hancock, you smug bastard. You over did it. Project Fear backfired, didn’t it? The EU have us by the short and curlies and here comes the panic buying.
They want our fish. We’ll bend the knee.

314965 ▶▶ OKUK, replying to PatrickF, 7, #825 of 2329 🔗

Yep…looks like he walk into that trap…or as a Remainer was he happy to walk into it? Perhaps he’s spoken to Macron?

315084 ▶▶ Hieronimusb, replying to PatrickF, 3, #826 of 2329 🔗

The only reason I’ll bend the knee is to raise it fast and hard into someone’s groin.

314929 Schrodinger, replying to Schrodinger, 3, #827 of 2329 🔗

Don’t worry folks Rishi has it all under control.

Home workers who ‘built up savings’ must go on spending spree when pandemic ends,
(PS if you don’t already know just disable JavaScript in your browser to read Telegraph
articles behind the paywall)

314958 ▶▶ PoshPanic, replying to Schrodinger, #828 of 2329 🔗


314979 ▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to Schrodinger, #829 of 2329 🔗

Has he lost the plot???

He should resign and campaign to end all this nonsense, that’s the only way to get our economy running again.

Not his endless Magic Money Trees.

315013 ▶▶ calchas, replying to Schrodinger, 1, #830 of 2329 🔗

‘Must go on spending spree’ ??

‘Must’ ??

Starting to sound like negative interest rates or worse.

315187 ▶▶ Crystal Decanter, replying to Schrodinger, 2, #831 of 2329 🔗

They will introduce an eye watering work from home tax
Failing that they will start stealing money directly out of your savings
be prepared to lose everything stored in a bank account

315211 ▶▶ Sue, replying to Schrodinger, #832 of 2329 🔗

he should pay back from his own private wealth all the taxpayers’ money he has spaffed this year. I believe his wife is from a very wealthy family and he no doubt is minted also.

315264 ▶▶ Two-Six, replying to Schrodinger, #833 of 2329 🔗

I have nearly £200 in saved-up £2 coins. I am gonna go crazy when the lockdown ends!
Absolutely crazy.
I also have £2.50 savings in my pocket that has been there since November. I might go and by something one of these days.

I might treat myself and get a cheese burger from a burger van!

315464 ▶▶ David Grimbleby, replying to Schrodinger, #834 of 2329 🔗

Great! it’s gonna end!

315539 ▶▶ Silke David, replying to Schrodinger, 1, #835 of 2329 🔗

They still have had increased costs, for heating, electricity, water, etc.
But I guess they saved on train travel and might even flood the second hand car business as now they do not need to drive to the station. And that means less trains, less car insurance to administer. less servicing and mots, less people buying a coffee at the station or sandwiches from their office etc.
A spending spree will not offset the loss of income to other businesses longterm.
As I said to my friend when the posh clothing shop Jaeger went down, with all these people working from home, they do not need nice clothes for the office…
The only businesses benefiting are those building home office sheds for people who are lucky enough to have a big enough garden.
This post does not reflect how angry I am at the govt for destroying the economy!

315827 ▶▶ Ben, replying to Schrodinger, 1, #836 of 2329 🔗

There never was a pandemic. The definition of the word ‘pandemic’ was changed in 2009 by the WHO after pressure from Pharma companies. See the video ‘Crimes Against Humanity’ by Reiner Fuellmich on YouTube

314937 Dan Clarke, replying to Dan Clarke, 13, #837 of 2329 🔗

Ferguson, the man who didnt stop until he had completed the plan to massacre all of the cattle is back claiming we need to be locked down until April. He’s been wrong every single time, not even a real scientist all he has is his connection to Gates

314949 ▶▶ Achilles, replying to Dan Clarke, 10, #838 of 2329 🔗

Locked up until April…when the seasonal virus naturally goes away. Hardly rocket science is it?

314944 Jay Berger, #839 of 2329 🔗

The problem with the Millionaire sketch is that the audience screamed D, or was told to scream B by JC/the media.
And that BJ would never ask for a U turn from D.
We/the audience have to come to our senses first and demand that, followed by the media and then by the, new, politicians.

314953 PoshPanic, replying to PoshPanic, 1, #840 of 2329 🔗

Rebumping the Bob thread from earlier. Suggest sending as a Christmas message to friends n family, as it’s a real cracker…


315002 ▶▶ Mike, replying to PoshPanic, 4, #841 of 2329 🔗

Good post, however I’m finding those that have cancelled (within my family) have done so out of fear of snitches rather than the virus; at least thats the excuse we’ve been given. I can see the rational for it…but I am astounded how easily people have been cowed.

314955 Old Bill, 16, #842 of 2329 🔗

Here is a seasonal ditty for you based on, and sung to the tune of, ‘Good King Wenceslas’ I hope you enjoy it.

Bad King Boris he looked out,
on the feast of Stephen,
Saw the covids all about,
deep and crisp and even.
Brightly shone the searchlights down,
on his reign so cruel,
When a poor man came in sight,
travelling home for yule.

Hither sage and stand by me,
if thou know’st it, telling,
Yonder peasant, who is he?
Where and what his dwelling?”
Sire, he lives a good league hence,
Near the town of Luton,
Where the covids run amok,
whilst becoming mutant.

Prithee what is this I see,
He walks without a mask on.
‘Gainst the words of my decree,
Spreading his pollution.
Granny killers wrench my guts,
He’s obviously sceptic.
With their noxious ifs and buts,
They drive me apoplectic.

Lo good Sire yonder look,
Here comes our salvation,
Angels of the TSG,
To save the situation.
Watch now as the truncheons fly,
Watch the fists a-beating,
The sceptic thought he was no sheep,
But they’ll soon have him bleating.

Close the airports, close the roads,
Close the railway station.
Block the tunnels, stop the ships,
We all must save the nation.
Follow science, print the cash,
Covid must be beaten,
Though there is no covid here,
And no food to be eaten.

A Decade later

Bad king boris he looked out,
on the feast of Stephen,
All the dead lay round about,
deep and crisp and even.
Dimly shone the searchlights now,
on his reign so cruel,
Ne’er a poor man came in sight,
Ne’er a drop of fuel.

Hither sage and stand by me,
If thou know’st it, telling,
Why the world so dead doth be,
why so evil smelling.
Did I not the covid fight?
Was I not its master?
Yes but Sire but your green reset,
Was a worse disaster.

314957 Leemc23, 5, #843 of 2329 🔗

This is a real life version of the film Mousehunt. With Covid the mouse and Johnson and Hancock the deluded brothers.

They will not stop wrecking the house to find the mouse. No matter what.

The only difference is that in our case they will demolish the house and claim a victory while the mouse looks on with a grin.

Total lockdown by Boxing Day if not sooner. That’s the direction of travel.

314960 davews, replying to davews, 14, #844 of 2329 🔗

Did my shop at Tesco this morning, well stocked up till Boxing Day including my by myself Christmas lunch. Although they had only been open an hour it was heaving, they have a traffic light system on the door but it didn’t seem to be limiting numbers. Woman wandering around with a ‘keep 2m apart’ sign but even she could obey that distance! Already shortage of potatoes and a few other thing though I came back with everything I wanted.

On the walk back I passed a couple of elderly ladies I know who were obviously heading that way. Commented that it was pretty busy but no queues, she said ‘oh dear, it’s not safe you know’. Everybody seems so conditioned that they become petrified for the slightest reason.

With the channel blockade I suspect Boris has shot himself in the foot with the panic u-turn.

314970 ▶▶ Banjones, replying to davews, 12, #845 of 2329 🔗

I don’t think so. I’m convinced that every single action, every nuance, is calculated and every reaction to every action is carefully considered. They know EXACTLY what they’re doing. This is not incompetence.

314987 ▶▶▶ Mike, replying to Banjones, 10, #846 of 2329 🔗

Agreed. They are slowly boiling the frog…The crash is coming. What I’m amazed by is the level of suffering, anxiety, stress etc that they are engendering. There is no way they don’t know how people will react and feel…In certainly places/shops with certain people etc its almost palpable.
This is looking more and more like they actually want to create suffering as much as crash the economy.
Just make sure your all stocked up…This may get bumpy!

315048 ▶▶▶▶ Crystal Decanter, replying to Mike, 2, #847 of 2329 🔗

The crash is nothing to fear as long as you can see it coming

315052 ▶▶▶▶▶ Kevin 2, replying to Crystal Decanter, 3, #848 of 2329 🔗

And if it doesn’t come, I’ve got a helluva lot of packets of microwave rice to get through somehow.

315250 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Edward, replying to Kevin 2, 1, #849 of 2329 🔗

Tinned sardines and mackerel for me, along with rice and pasta. I’m off to the shops soon and will report if anything interesting happens.

315259 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Kevin 2, replying to Edward, #850 of 2329 🔗

I expect the 20p packets of spaghetti will be flying out the door.
Not that I need any…

315146 ▶▶▶▶▶ kenadams, replying to Crystal Decanter, 3, #851 of 2329 🔗

My problem, is what do I do about it? I have a large mortgage I can’t pay off. So, what to do?

315173 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Crystal Decanter, replying to kenadams, 1, #852 of 2329 🔗

A crash will cause inflation so your mortgage will be inflated away
Start a gold/silver coin collection
never too late

315315 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ kenadams, replying to Crystal Decanter, 1, #853 of 2329 🔗

Inflation will also bring higher interest rates, though. I have 2 1/2 years left on a fix, but am keeping a close eye on this. The best idea might be to take the hit on the charge to get out of the fix to get into a 10 year fix, even if its at a rate which seems high now, but will at least mean I’m guaranteed to be at c.3% say when everyone else starts going up to 20%.

Also, I’ve already bought some precious metals, so one step ahead of you 😉

314991 ▶▶▶ Sam Vimes, replying to Banjones, 4, #854 of 2329 🔗

In a job some years ago, I used to think my manager could read my mind. I’d be given a shitty job, get on with it, then just when it I thought it was becoming unbearable and I couldn’t stand it, said manager would ‘read my mind’ and put me on something more worthwhile. After a while, I realised I was being naive and the ‘crap job/frustration/reward’ sequence was planned from the start…

314999 ▶▶▶ Jonathan Palmer, replying to Banjones, 5, #855 of 2329 🔗

I actually think this one is.If the food supply is impacted that will get people on the streets.They have been careful to maintain order throughout.We seem to be the only country using the new strain to lock people up.Maybe they thought saving the NHS wasn’t cutting it anymore.I hope with banning Christmas this is the moment of overreach.

315023 ▶▶ arfurmo, replying to davews, 2, #856 of 2329 🔗

How many unmuzzled, please?

315368 ▶▶▶ davews, replying to arfurmo, 2, #857 of 2329 🔗

Virtually nobody apart from me. Even the checkout staff have gone back to wearing them.

315026 ▶▶ karenovirus, replying to davews, 4, #858 of 2329 🔗

The blockade is already cancelled but not before lots of scary film footage of queues for the evening bulletins.

314962 Banjones, replying to Banjones, 2, #859 of 2329 🔗

Someone asked earlier about the New Culture Forum video with Delingpole.

315045 ▶▶ Jane G, replying to Banjones, 2, #860 of 2329 🔗

Already disappeared…

315075 ▶▶▶ Darryl, replying to Jane G, 1, #861 of 2329 🔗

Dellingpole is unfortunately one of the few genuine journalists left. Wouldn’t trust a single person who writes for a national newspaper or presents on national radio. They wouldn’t still have their jobs unless they were still towing the establishment line.

314964 swedenborg, replying to swedenborg, 13, #863 of 2329 🔗

Flu has disappeared hasn’t it? Almost non existing. See US charts. Comparing 2019 mid dec and 2020


Convincing. But something funny just in the middle of US ,Oklahoma, moderate activity, neighbouring minimal activity. Why?


The percentage of outpatient visits meeting the criteria for ILI 1 was 3.3% (281/8610).
5.1% (83/1642) of rapid influenza tests performed by sentinel sites were positive; 39% were influenza A.

 So influenza down but not out in Oklahoma at least.

314980 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to swedenborg, 4, #864 of 2329 🔗

The lockdown lovers can’t wait to say that this was an unintended benefit of masks and SD. So by such INSANE logic I guess they have to say Oklahoma have not complied and Covid has to be ripping through their population?

These kind of double bind realities would normally be enough to pierce through incoherent logic. Not so in. 2020

315037 ▶▶ Basics, replying to swedenborg, 2, #865 of 2329 🔗

John Cullen youtube channel covers this Flu disappearance in at least two excellent 30 minute videos using Government and other official data. Must see if any interest in this aspect.

One video title says something about him getting a Nobel prize for the vanishing of Flu. 2-3 months ago.

The other video is currently his latest. https://youtu.be/vWRx1aZ5YoA

Both are not dry videos. They are excellent bits of work.

314973 Brian D, 26, #867 of 2329 🔗

Dear lockdown zealot … remember when your mum said ‘if everyone went and jumped off a cliff would you do the same?’ Now you know the answer


314976 davews, replying to davews, 12, #868 of 2329 🔗

I think we need an explanation for the sudden doubling of positive test results in the past few days. Yesterday’s figure of 35k just doesn’t make sense, whether there is a new stain or not viruses simply don’t spread that rapidly. I have the suspicion they have opened a new lighthouse lab without quality checks and it has a huge cross contamination issue. Also is it possible for the lighthouse labs to identify which strain of the virus it has found, I thought it was only a simple yes/no result (which is certainly the case with the LFT test).

314992 ▶▶ Achilles, replying to davews, 4, #869 of 2329 🔗

Clearly an artefact of data collection/analysis and not real world.

315035 ▶▶ Jane G, replying to davews, 5, #870 of 2329 🔗

Dr Claire Craig seemed to imply something similar this morning on talkradio – either dodgy tests or contamination at a local lab, leading to the regional character of the variant strain. All made sense, even if I haven’t related it coherently.

315072 ▶▶ crimsonpirate, replying to davews, 1, #871 of 2329 🔗

more a case of a perfect storm: increased respiratory infections(cold, flu) meeting increased testing-roughly 2.4 million tests in the last 7 days-up 4%.

315347 ▶▶ DeepBlueYonder, replying to davews, #872 of 2329 🔗

The number of Pillar 2 tests (ie. tests in the community) reached its highest level ever on 17 December (the last date for which the number has been published). There were 402,500 Pillar 2 tests on that day.

The number of tests has been very high in November (range: 327,900 to 390,250) and December (range: 352,184 to 402,500). It would be useful to see a geographical breakdown of these Pillar 2 tests but I don’t think that information is in the public domain.

316076 ▶▶ Brian Bond, replying to davews, #873 of 2329 🔗

Have a look here and especially the chart titled “Weekly number of people receiving a PCR test and positivity”. The number of PCR tests for Eastern England has increased, exponentially, by about 50% over the past 10 days. The same applies to London and, to a slightly lesser extent, South-East England. These are, of course, the ‘tier 4’ regions with the “mutant” virus!

What I found more alarming when looking at this chart, is that the spike in tests correlates with an increase in the positivity rate. Looking further, I can see a similar correlation applies in most regions and local authorities – not just in the past week or so, but ongoing since summer. So test numbers go up and down in wavelets, and % positivity goes up and own in reasonable synchrony. It’s not a perfect correlation, but it does beg the question why should this be?

Surely the positivity rate is a loose measure of viral transmission and it should in no way be driven by the number of tests performed – or vice-versa. Think about this: the modelling done by Ferguson leading to the statement that the ‘new’ virus strain is 70% more infectious will surely have drawn on the real-world testing data – ie this. Yet the positivity rate growth – which would easily account for 70% higher contagion, appears, itself, to be an artifact of testing frequency, suggesting that the only reason “cases” have ballooned to 35k is that a lot more testing has been done.

This is totally weird. The only credible explanation that I can see is the PCR false positive effect becomes stronger the more testing is done. Or is there something that I am missing – eg would the increase in % positivity drive an increase in testing (rather than the other way round)? It seems no more plausible.

I find these correlations somewhat troubling.

314984 AngloWelshDragon, replying to AngloWelshDragon, 60, #874 of 2329 🔗

Just had a long telephone conversation with a colleague who has been very frightened by Covid and rigorously compliant. Today he admitted he and his wife have been broken by the move of their county into Tier 4. He is now advocating focused protection and has already made plans to meet up with friends over the Christmas period. So while plenty of strident voices on social media are doubling down, others are being forced to confront the idiocy and are finally changing their minds.

315000 ▶▶ Basics, replying to AngloWelshDragon, 12, #875 of 2329 🔗

The battle is afoot.

315007 ▶▶ karenovirus, replying to AngloWelshDragon, 13, #876 of 2329 🔗

It was the only way to move forward, bozo and hancock are too thick to spot an obvious own goal.

315038 ▶▶ Tom Blackburn, replying to AngloWelshDragon, 4, #877 of 2329 🔗


314990 Richard, 3, #878 of 2329 🔗

I despair at the whole Covid thing – there are so many holes in the narrative that you think people would have realised that the whole thing is a scam (even with the MSM’s 24/7 fear porn/propaganda) by now; that they’re being duped and royally screwed over…but…no…it seems we live in The Age of Stupidity.

In the olden days fairy tales served the function of introducing children to the darker side of life in a simple and palatable formula…so I thought that maybe (bearing in mind most people now seem to have the intellectual abilities of seven year olds…) I could write a ‘virus fairy tail’. It’s called ‘And Along Came a Virus’ and this is how it starts…

Once upon a time…in the land of Anywhere, in a world long since forgotten, in the fine and prosperous city of Anyplace there was a secret meeting of a Cabal of psychopaths, that being the Greedy One Percent, the people who really ruled Anywhere, and their minions.

Attending the secret meeting were three extremely wealthy and corrupt individuals (representing The Greedy One Percent) along with members of the Means of Communication (owned by The Greedy One Percent) and members of the Swamp State intelligence services (always operating in the service of The Greedy One Percent) and the Leader of the Country (an ignorant, dysfunctional pig of a man who was entirely owned, like all his kind, by The Greedy One Percent)….plus let’s not forget that also present were representatives of the Criminal Money Laundering Syndicate, otherwise known as Bankers (for wherever evil is afoot, you can always find a Banker)….

Read it all at:


314993 calchas, replying to calchas, 24, #879 of 2329 🔗

Mike Grahan and Peter Hitchens terrific today on talkradio.

Hitchens predicts Tier 4 and Tier 5 for us and our children for ever if people don’t get angry.

315001 ▶▶ DavidC, replying to calchas, 3, #880 of 2329 🔗

Bear in mind that the current tier 1 is the equivalent of the original tier 3 (I won’t grace the terms with capitalisation).



315040 ▶▶ Sam Vimes, replying to calchas, 6, #881 of 2329 🔗

Of course. Bullies don’t stop if you continue to show fear. In fact, they get worse.

315064 ▶▶ Darryl, replying to calchas, 5, #882 of 2329 🔗

Peter Hitchens is correct but he still continues the lie that this is global government incompetence when it is something far more sinister – after working in the media for decades he is in full knowledge of how the establishment works.

Look at the treatment of Black Lives Matter protestors at the weekend v anti-lockdown protestors. This is the difference between completely controlled opposition and genuine opposition to state tyranny.

I wonder why so many people have been banned on social media platforms yet Hitchens still has his weekly spot as a lockdown sceptic on a government regulated station.

315076 ▶▶▶ Julian, replying to Darryl, -1, #883 of 2329 🔗

Are you saying Hitchens is a liar?

315095 ▶▶▶▶ Darryl, replying to Julian, 3, #884 of 2329 🔗

I think it is very safe to assume that if he was saying anything that was a threat to the establishment he wouldn’t be given a platform – look at how James Dellingpole is effectively a media outcast.

Why for example doesn’t Hitchen’s ever speak out strongly on the police brutality, he knows full well the police are the ones instigating trouble, he also knows the secret services are being used against the anti lockdown movement.

315156 ▶▶▶▶▶ wat tyler, replying to Darryl, 3, #885 of 2329 🔗

Hitchen’s has spoken out about the police before on talk radio months back .We need to build unity and put aside moaning and enjoying the self righteous ghetto .Plenty of us are not into the conspiracy stuff but are against lockdown .We need to get our message out there to the mainstream and although i don’t always agree with everything Hitchens says ,he is well known and a good spokesperson for the cause .

315360 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Darryl, replying to wat tyler, 1, #886 of 2329 🔗

Agree that he is very good at speaking on the radio. I would guess he is only known by less than 5% of the population – certainly not by many under 30.

Just frustrating that the publication he works for is guilty of completely misrepresenting anti lockdown protests and then we have the streams of comments below the articles wishing death on us.

The strict measures make absolutely no sense on the data but the facts don’t seems to matter anymore. Why would the police beat anti lockdown protestors but march along side a bigger BLM march at the weekend if it was simply incompetency and nothing more sinister? wouldn’t both get a beating or be left alone?

315937 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ wat tyler, replying to Darryl, -1, #887 of 2329 🔗

Simple answer is the police don’t want to look racist ,they even have a problem arresting black people on the anti lockdown demo’s . They are scared shitless of a load of them kneeling on a black man and a picture in the papers .

315283 ▶▶▶▶ Jonathan Palmer, replying to Julian, 1, #888 of 2329 🔗

As one of the journalists who called out the scam of the white helmets in Syria and the staged chemical attack,he is fully aware of what Governments are capable of.He is either under orders from the Mail not to delve too deeply or he is choosing not to go into things he cannot substantiate and so destroying his credibility.
There is enough evidence to hang the government anyway through official sources.

315108 ▶▶▶ Crystal Decanter, replying to Darryl, 1, #889 of 2329 🔗

Never go full retard
The masked majority don’t want to hear Ickeisms
Gently gently catchy monkey

315128 ▶▶▶▶ Darryl, replying to Crystal Decanter, 2, #890 of 2329 🔗

It isn’t exactly asking much for him to mention the extremely sinister World Economic Forum agenda to his readership. Also, the Met police are obviously including muscle strains from beating peaceful protestors as protest injuries, a complete scam by the Met who are sending in 15 stone 6 ft plus officers to severely injure protestors.

315066 ▶▶ JohnBowen, replying to calchas, 2, #891 of 2329 🔗

They keep banging on about people getting angry but they themselves won’t take any lead in this. How many of these so called big name lockdown sceptics have actually attended a Lockdown Protest. The only person I can ever remember who’s vocal in opposing it would be James Delingpole who I saw attending one, otherwise very few.

315078 ▶▶▶ Julian, replying to JohnBowen, 2, #892 of 2329 🔗

Hitchens doesn’t believe in street protests as he thinks them ineffective

Each to their own

He has been a consistent voice against lockdown from the start, using his platform

315107 ▶▶▶ Darryl, replying to JohnBowen, 3, #893 of 2329 🔗

Peter Hitchens might not like attending protests but he could come down and cover one as a journalist. MPs such as Sir Charles Walker could come down and watch proceedings from a distance. The people on the streets are just thrown to the wolves each week by the government propaganda machine.

The UK media just get fed the lies by the very suspect Reuters and Associated Press ‘news’ agencies.

315205 ▶▶▶ Alice, replying to JohnBowen, 7, #894 of 2329 🔗

David Kurten has attended protests, and reported on Twitter about the behaviour of the police.

315316 ▶▶▶▶ kf99, replying to Alice, 3, #895 of 2329 🔗

Kurten has been good throughout. He could do with being part of a bigger party/coalition though.

316535 ▶▶▶ dhid, replying to JohnBowen, #896 of 2329 🔗

“They” are known people, unlike you and I, who have the balls to speak out when they don’t have to. What part of this don’t you understand? (To coin a phrase one of your incarnations used to me.)

Hypocrite? You?

Never mind.

316580 ▶▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to dhid, #897 of 2329 🔗

You must be quite seriously thick.

If someone is posting using the name JohnB, that doesn’t make them one of my incarnations. Or was this post from one of yours ?

314997 Sarigan, replying to Sarigan, 9, #898 of 2329 🔗

315466 ▶▶ Ben, replying to Sarigan, 1, #899 of 2329 🔗

I don’t understand why anti-lockdowners want ‘world beating’ track and trace?

315019 George Mc, replying to George Mc, 3, #901 of 2329 🔗

Couple more thoughts:

Someone said that there have been American anti-lockdown protests but they have received zero coverage in the MSM. The only such UK protest to receive such coverage as far as I’m aware was the one featuring David Icke. Surprise surprise – lockdown protest gets linked with the lizard man.

If the new variant is indeed a selling point for the vaccine then it may misfire, seeing as it logically makes the vaccine redundant. (“It hasn’t been updated to provide a super Star Trek type shield against the new strain from the Dark Land of Mordor!”) But I suspect the purpose of the new strain is to “justify” the more draconian Christmas lockdown i.e. the lockdown that imposes war type blockades across all Christendom.

Speaking of which, I wonder if the entire Christmas cancellation is part of a Weimar type psychological destabilisation programme? It will be interesting to see how Christmas TV carry out their terror deformation of the normal sugary rigmarole. Regular updates of outbreaks of covid – or the new strain? (Have they got a name for it yet? “Covid plus”? “Covid max” – the latter isn’t good since that threatens to cut them off from further enhancements of bio-fear.) Subtle reminders of previous festive febrility etc.?

315039 ▶▶ Muzz Off, replying to George Mc, 2, #902 of 2329 🔗

They’re claiming that it not made the vaccine redundant, but that it might eventually. I predict the vaccine will be declared ineffective and a new one will arrive in its place in about a year, perhaps about a month after we’ve all been jabbed with the first one?

315099 ▶▶▶ George Mc, replying to Muzz Off, 1, #903 of 2329 🔗

I suspect you’re right. The all singing and dancing new variant is probably just intended to “justify” the more draconian Christmas lockdown.

315031 JohnB, replying to JohnB, 12, #904 of 2329 🔗

My wife has had several calls from all over Europe this morning, worrying about us here in the land of the teenage mutant ninja virus.

Gives us the hook to recommend they not watch tv, not believe newspapers, and especially not believe anything their governments say. 🙂

315056 ▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to JohnB, 5, #905 of 2329 🔗

Have not been asked yet about the Teenage Mutant Ninja Virus but was asked about Tier 4.

I replied bluntly that its lockdown but the government think we’re so stupid that they had to rebrand it.

315298 ▶▶ thinkaboutit, replying to JohnB, 1, #906 of 2329 🔗

My youngest, who ignores me for years on end, messaged me from Norway. They think we’re dropping like flies.

315422 ▶▶▶ annie, replying to thinkaboutit, #907 of 2329 🔗

Hardly surprising when our enemy, the government, is constantly telling us the same thing.

316522 ▶▶ dhid, replying to JohnB, #908 of 2329 🔗

You have a wife – are you sure about that? – which JohnB are you then?

316581 ▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to dhid, #909 of 2329 🔗

I’m dhid for the foreseeable …

315041 Stephanos, replying to Stephanos, 20, #910 of 2329 🔗

I have just sent the following email to my MP who has always supported the government in spite of joining the CRG:

Dear Mr. XXXX,
Well, though it grieves me to say it, it is clear that congratulations are in order.

The government of which you are such a keen supporter has been shown to be supremely competent.

The Kaiser and Hitler attempted by a U-boat blockade to starve this country into submission but your wonderful government has achieved all of that in swift order. And it was accomplished so expeditiously! How many years did Napoleon try? And the Kaiser? and Hitler? And you did it in two short days!

Now we will need to grovel to the EU to open the borders and let food in. What a magnificent achievement! The Spanish king (1588), Napoleon, the Kaiser and Hitler stand in amazement at your stroke of genius! Even Mrs. May will admire your astonishing acts.

Well done!

315046 ▶▶ Tom Blackburn, replying to Stephanos, 1, #911 of 2329 🔗

Sent a similar email to mine a few weeks back.

My MP replied (rather condescendingly) that ‘one cannot join the CRG, it is not a formal group’. I couldn’t be arsed responding, ‘You knew what I meant, you fucking cretin!’.

315053 ▶▶ JohnBowen, replying to Stephanos, 3, #912 of 2329 🔗

The delusion of writing to ones MP continues!

316255 ▶▶▶ dhid, replying to JohnBowen, #913 of 2329 🔗

You would know about delusion wouldn’t you.

316583 ▶▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to dhid, #914 of 2329 🔗

Time for bed, dhid ?

315042 Tom Blackburn, replying to Tom Blackburn, 5, #915 of 2329 🔗

Piers Morgan’s lad has become extremely vocal on Twitter. Putting his chin wobbler Dad to shame.

315077 ▶▶ Tom Blackburn, replying to Tom Blackburn, 6, #916 of 2329 🔗

Spencer Morgan
The pro lockdown lot are far more nasty/rude when making their arguments. And that’s no surprise considering their lower IQs

315103 ▶▶ Ben, replying to Tom Blackburn, 3, #917 of 2329 🔗

It’s a disingenuous double act. An equivalent of Sir Desmond Swayne MP, to perpetuate the illusion of democracy and placate dissent.

315117 ▶▶▶ Darryl, replying to Ben, 2, #918 of 2329 🔗

It certainly makes you wonder if it is controlled opposition to take away attention from genuine opposition. They are very good at creating characters to play a part. Funny how Celia Walden, Piers Morgan and now the son are all given roles.

315161 ▶▶▶▶ Tom Blackburn, replying to Darryl, 1, #919 of 2329 🔗

It seems clear to me he is a genuine sceptic and wouldn’t be quick to dismiss him as an ally.

315180 ▶▶▶▶▶ Darryl, replying to Tom Blackburn, 1, #920 of 2329 🔗

If he is genuine I feel sorry for him being in the company of Piers and Celia. I wouldn’t be at all surprised if Piers is simply playing a role for the media. Can’t believe Celia has a job with the Telegraph, she isn’t exactly liked by a large proportion of the readership.

315174 ▶▶▶ JohnBowen, replying to Ben, 1, #921 of 2329 🔗

And to boost his followers and further monetize brand “Morgan”.

315192 ▶▶▶▶ Darryl, replying to JohnBowen, 2, #922 of 2329 🔗

You may well be correct, arguing with his divisive Dad is great for self publicity and attention, maybe some Dad / Son TV show is planned for next year.

315268 ▶▶▶▶▶ Tom Blackburn, replying to Darryl, 2, #923 of 2329 🔗

You are probably right. But I’ll take it.

315611 ▶▶ Victoria, replying to Tom Blackburn, #924 of 2329 🔗

Thanks this is brilliant


315047 Binra, replying to Binra, -6, #925 of 2329 🔗

The framing narrative at lockdown sceptic articles (and many other commentators) plays the game of seeking and finding the same excuses for not looking at what is actually occurring.

‘Conspiracy’ is very simply the survival instinct of self interest in terms of our current and active conflicting self-definitions. That factions form against others is hardly a theory in terms of our own reactions.

As Laura indicated in an early chinwag with Dellingpole; the more invested in the establishment, the less able or willing to bring it, and therefore one’s self, to a critical awareness of recognition that serves the release of a faulty misunderstanding and a better outcome for all.

So for all the gathering of perspectives here – the ongoing effect is to propagate and grow a captured opposition and I don’t mean that this need be a result of conspiring to overtly or openly agree to such a role – though there are innumerable ways to signify an ‘understanding’. I mean a delaying effect to the acceptance of what is, as the masking assertion of narrative led identity.

This is simply how our world operates, I say our world rather than biological or physical processes, because our world is predicated on the virtual modelling of ‘what if’ – given priority as a ‘reality’, over what is actually occurring as a whole.

I felt Sean Walsh’s article to be one of the more practical to the recognising of a deeper current running beneath appearances. Whether people are ready for seeing this is perhaps how actively invested in conflicting factions and fictions as an ongoing addiction that provides a masking identity of a seeming protection that demands ongoing sacrifice of wholeness.

So if I am critical here it is not of any person but for a critical awareness of ourselves, without which conditioned or learned patterns operate without due oversight or conscious consent as an unwatched mind.

The whole business running on false presumptions, definitions and parameters is from reacting to perceived and believed appearances or communications FIRST and then bringing in a critical awareness that is already framed in what it can even think.

Is there anything in C19 narrative that can be taken as totally established fact?
The power of narrative or myth, is in casting out meanings through which to see and from which to identify. Yes in practical terms, we know that we age and die and we know respiratory diseases can lead to severe complications that can be fatal – as the manner and means of dying. The assertion of virus as THE causation is very heavily invested in, but a mass of fudge and superstition.

When a Model is seen to be the source of personal power and protection (as the established order), then the Model is protected by the sacrifice of truth – which means the denial of the living for the sake of a fear-invested system of relative personal gain or mitigation of pain, that incrementally ratchets it demands not only on others but on our self.
The hollowing out of life in expression to ghastly and absurd parody, reveals the active devices of attempt to hide a lack of substance.
A lack of substance, is also a lack of relational communication. The dissociation of asserted defence only uses the form of communication to block, disrupt and undermine communication to maintain its face of control.

So why engage with it as if it is a living right to response or sharing anything of worth?
Give only unto Caesar what is due – and free the heart from sacrificing into a destructive futility. ‘Don’t feed the troll’ does not mean attack the troll as a means of claiming moral substance (sic). It means aligning and feeding the truly worthy rather than being split of from what truly moves you into factioned, divisive diversions.

Scepticism can be claimed as virtue in a shoal of gullibility, predated on by cynicism, masking as every kind of self-evasion.
But unwillingness to accept anything as true and act upon it, until research and enquiry uncover evidence of confirmation or otherwise, is the responsibility of free will.
Free will can be sacrificed again, again, and over again as a ‘normal’ of identifying in masks of convenience. And we can bubble together in self-reinforcing group-think of a seemingly superior judgement over outsiders and others.
But is this truly what we want?
Or do temporary expedients grow a mask we not only cant take off – but are so identified with, that it invisibly structures all that follows as a sort of scripted algorithm of logical inevitability?

The last paragraph is with the full post at

315090 ▶▶ Crystal Decanter, replying to Binra, 8, #926 of 2329 🔗

Conspiracies occur
Big Pharma absolving themselves of liability from the Frankenjab is a provable example

315102 ▶▶ Ben, replying to Binra, 3, #927 of 2329 🔗


315050 Ovis, replying to Ovis, 11, #928 of 2329 🔗

I have what may be a paranoid theory that I would like to share with you: are (at least some of) the people who challenge non-maskos in shops actually paid actors?

We know there is an agenda to create a hostile environment for the non-compliant, and Dick and Cock from the start of mandated masking made clear that policing would mostly be left up to the public. The thing is, I don’t think most ordinary members of the public are motivated enough to get into a conflict that is likely to end in humiliation anyway (‘I’m exempt’) – particularly as anecdotally at least every indication I see is that even the believers are having doubts. The regime is certainly unprincipled and underhanded enough to pay a few out-of-work bit-part actors to do the job.

The only evidence I have is my two encounters, so obviously not a huge sample. But they were odd. In the first instance (in the Summer) a man got out of a car and called out to me some time after I had left the shop. When I gave him the line, he got back into his stationary car – he was lurking outside the shop in a parked car. Not suspicious in itself – he might have been waiting for someone in the shop – but the whole encounter felt bizarre. The guy seemed to be rehearsing a script. His opening line was at least considered: ‘Excuse me. Do you need a mask to go in there?’ When I gave him the line, he said he was ‘just checking’, as if it was his place to do so.

The second encounter was even odder. Shortly after I had entered the shop, a woman came in and as soon as she was in the doorway she addressed me. The appearance was that she had seen me going in maskless and had entered the shop specifically to confront me. She opened up on me ass soon as the door opened. I’d entered just a little while before, so the timing was consistent with someone lurking in a parked car watching the shop. The encounter was then bizarrely theatrical. After I gave her the line she brushed past me and disappeared. No sign of her at the till – it’s a small shop, so the appearance was that she just circled round the nearest shelf island and left immediately without buying anything.

I am quite possibly being paranoid here, but…it does not seem unlikely to me that the regime would stoop to employing people to pose as ‘normal members of the public’. Whether this is how the police are spending their time, or these are actors hired by LAs or just back-office staff from Environmental Health who have a theatrical bent, I wouldn’t want to speculate. These ‘members of the public’ just didn’t feel genuine to me, and I wouldn’t put it past a regime that now increasingly resembles the DDR. So much of what has been done already is about falsifying public debate, isolating people and gaslighting them, why wouldn’t they stoop to using fake shoppers?

315074 ▶▶ PoshPanic, replying to Ovis, 6, #929 of 2329 🔗

Secret shoppers earning a bit of extra maybe?

315088 ▶▶ Crystal Decanter, replying to Ovis, 4, #930 of 2329 🔗

Curtain twitchers were always a thing
Corona #5 is a godsend for these busybodies

315101 ▶▶ mjr, replying to Ovis, 8, #931 of 2329 🔗

as live events of all kinds have been banned for nearly a year, there are thousands of theatrical people without work. As the government have been happy to spend billions on anything , a few million here and there on paying actors to be “social influencers” in real life (as opposed to on-line) is nothing

315114 ▶▶ Cranmer, replying to Ovis, 5, #932 of 2329 🔗

It’s possible but more likely, I think, that these are self-appointed Covid enforcers whose minds have snapped during the lockdown and who think if they go around making people keep to the rules it will somehow all be over.

315116 ▶▶ Dave Angel Eco Warrier, replying to Ovis, 10, #933 of 2329 🔗

Myself and my brother have not worn a mask since they became mandatory and neither of us has been challenged once. We get ‘looks’ but these range from surprise, to anger, to incredulity. On the odd occasions someone has seen us maskless and they too remove theirs. I appreciate that at any time I could get challenged but I’ve found an air of confidence means most people quickly look away – even if they don’t anti-social distance 😉

315190 ▶▶▶ Alice, replying to Dave Angel Eco Warrier, 5, #934 of 2329 🔗

Yesterday I walked into King’s Cross underground maskless, as usual, and another maskless person gave me a wide smile – beautiful moment!

315147 ▶▶ Alexei, replying to Ovis, 4, #935 of 2329 🔗

If you had said anything other than “I’m exempt”, perhaps they would’ve revealed themselves as your local Covid Marshals? They are entrapping pubs (purporting to only serve takeaway pints) using similar methods.

315219 ▶▶ Tee Ell, replying to Ovis, #936 of 2329 🔗

If you were sending weirdness, maybe it’s simply because the sort of people who confront others about masks in shops… are complete weirdos?

315231 ▶▶▶ Tking, replying to Tee Ell, 3, #937 of 2329 🔗

I was reported on by a member of the public, who called environmental health, who send an inspector as I was maskless somewhere where I should have been wearing a mask. As soon as I said I was exempt off he went, unfortunately there are plenty of people around who have nothing better to do than police this, they are the type that would have been in the stazi and really enjoyed it.

315251 ▶▶ Fiona Walker, replying to Ovis, 4, #938 of 2329 🔗

From the comments on the snowflake board I follow there are more than enough volunteers sadly. They take a vicious delight in abusing the maskless.

315415 ▶▶ annie, replying to Ovis, 2, #939 of 2329 🔗

I think they’re just ordinary zombies, who when they were actually alive were nasty, malicious bitches, and have retained those characteristics in their present state of living death.

315061 Bugle, replying to Bugle, 10, #940 of 2329 🔗

So, what did Boris give away to get the Channel ports re-opened?

315068 ▶▶ Tom Blackburn, replying to Bugle, 5, #941 of 2329 🔗

Hopefully ‘fessed up that he made it all up to do a U-Turn without losing face.

315081 ▶▶▶ Bugle, replying to Tom Blackburn, 1, #942 of 2329 🔗

I think the French would still want their ‘kilo de viande’. (Sorry, not idiomatic, but it amused me).

315590 ▶▶▶▶ Nigel Sherratt, replying to Bugle, #943 of 2329 🔗

If you prick us, do we not bleed?
If you tickle us, do we not laugh?
If you poison us, do we not die?

315079 ▶▶ Crystal Decanter, replying to Bugle, 1, #944 of 2329 🔗

An army of tubbies on the streets
demanding their overeats
was probably enough

315144 ▶▶ Charlie Blue, replying to Bugle, 3, #945 of 2329 🔗

He’s going to cave on all sorts of things Brexit-related, I think.

315389 ▶▶▶ Bugle, replying to Charlie Blue, #946 of 2329 🔗

That’s what I think.

315341 ▶▶ guy153, replying to Bugle, 2, #947 of 2329 🔗

That’s good that they’re re-opened. Hopefully he agreed to eternal subservience to the EU.

I was fearing this would end up like BSE. The French had it too (everyone did) but that didn’t stop them using it as an excuse to ban British imports practically forever.

315105 ▶▶ Van Allen, replying to Tom Blackburn, 1, #949 of 2329 🔗

The inference being that the pcr test is accurate and the Innova test is only 3% sensitive thereby understating the actual positives by over 30 times? Doubt it..

315124 ▶▶▶ Charlie Blue, replying to Van Allen, 3, #950 of 2329 🔗

Another inference would be that there are big problems with both testing approaches (we already know about PCR) and neither should be being used to drive policy decisions. Heneghan has always said it is deaths (correctly categorised) and ICU usage (again accurately categorised) that should be the only metric of interest.

315133 ▶▶▶▶ Cranmer, replying to Charlie Blue, #951 of 2329 🔗

True, but even if they did that, hospitals would probably be ordered to ensure that ICUs were ‘overflowing’ at all times by over-diagnosing.

315142 ▶▶▶▶▶ Charlie Blue, replying to Cranmer, 1, #952 of 2329 🔗

Yep – that’s the correctly categorised bit and it’s not going to happen becuase it doesn’t fit with the agenda.

315169 ▶▶▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to Charlie Blue, 3, #953 of 2329 🔗

Exactly. The mass test approach is wrong on so many levels. If people wanted to do LFT in their own home or something similar, for some peace of mind, I would have no problem with that. As long as they understood the accuracy.

Doing it mandated in schools and businesses is utter madness. It can only be a tool to aid diagnosis over a few days of assessment. PCR or LFT or both. The government want a Yes/No protocol for mass testing to work, all because their idea is that it is achievable and is the key to zero Covid. That is a mistake on a monumental scale and the reason why the WHO cautioned against such methods pre 2020. Its an exercise in chasing shadows and complete waste of resources.

Concentrate on building capacity and throw that money into treatment such as HCQ, Vit D, Ivermectin etc. Concentrate on the hospital numbers. Don’t tell people to isolate until they are gasping for breath.

Public Health officials are on the verge of inciting lynch mobs as it stands.

315338 ▶▶▶ guy153, replying to Van Allen, #954 of 2329 🔗

Yes there’s no way it’s as bad as 3% sensitive. They have some PCR false positives in there. They need to calibrate the Innova test against a better source of known positives than a few PCR positives in a population with very low prevalence.

Equally concerning was that 42% of the Innova positives were false… This makes the overall accuracy probably < 50% (so worse than just flipping a coin).

315879 ▶▶▶▶ guy153, replying to guy153, #955 of 2329 🔗

OK this figure of “42% of positives were false” is not exactly what it seems. First he got it the wrong way around (it was 58%) but the context is this document from Public Health Scotland:


They tested 43925 with LFD and found 79 positive or 0.2%. That puts the specificity at at worst 99.8%. Not great but nothing like as bad as 42%.

Then about 42% of those positives were confirmed with PCR. What this implies is that their PCR is only about 42% sensitive.

If the LFD were really 42% specific then it would have found about 18000 positives in the original population.

315080 DocRC, replying to DocRC, 8, #956 of 2329 🔗

What are the odds of a UK wide lockdown being announced before Christmas? 1-10?

315089 ▶▶ Ovis, replying to DocRC, 3, #957 of 2329 🔗

It will depend on how much compliance the regime believes it will get. They must be watching now to gauge it. High compliance with Tier 4 > lockdown for all of us.

315106 ▶▶▶ Cranmer, replying to Ovis, 6, #958 of 2329 🔗

I certainly think Tier 4 for most of the country is coming soon. Whether they dare do that at the last minute on Christmas eve is another matter.

315123 ▶▶▶ Dan Clarke, replying to Ovis, #959 of 2329 🔗

Its winter, the compliance would be different in the summer

315096 ▶▶ Peter, replying to DocRC, 16, #960 of 2329 🔗

It has always been the plan to lock the country down before Christmas – classic tactic of trying to mentally break people by promising them something they need and want before taking it away at the last minute. Expecting a sombre press conference around 4pm on Christmas Eve. Meanwhile Govt and SAGE comittee will carry on with large gatherings as planned.

315104 ▶▶ Tom Blackburn, replying to DocRC, #961 of 2329 🔗


315083 swedenborg, replying to swedenborg, 16, #962 of 2329 🔗

These are different US states all grouped together around the same latitudes and weather conditions. They have all different type of SD, some lockdowns,some no lockdowns ,some hard mask mandate, some no mask mandate. All using different form of SD.

Can anyone in these graphs see any human hand in the shape of the pandemic seasonal wave?

It is not defeatism to say that the virus is unstoppable .It is common sense. SD can not stop respiratory spread. But you can mitigate by building up ICU capacity, treatment and targeted vaccinations if possible. All SD has a minute effect compared to Mother Nature

315136 ▶▶ RickH, replying to swedenborg, 1, #963 of 2329 🔗

An interesting graph. Admittedly mainly confirming what we already know – but a striking illustration.

315331 ▶▶ guy153, replying to swedenborg, #964 of 2329 🔗

SD does have an effect, as you can see on other viruses here, compared to last year:


But the effect comes from people’s behaviour because of the whole culture around Covid. Not from individual mandates and regulations, which, as you say, do not usually have a discernible effect on the data.

What we see from that graph is the normal seasonal patterns but with R0 reduced by a factor of between 2 and 3.

316573 ▶▶▶ swedenborg, replying to guy153, #965 of 2329 🔗

According to your graph this might be suggested. But are we sure that we have tested as much as before during this year, considering the mass testing of C-19? We might have done that for flu as there is ongoing surveillance for this virus but for the others? I agree that people start self -social distancing when they first heard about the pandemic but I doubt that could be measurable. You would have to compare countries with no social distancing like Haiti, Uganda and see those curves compared to others. But the weakness is the amount of testing in such countries is much lower and therefore difficult to compare.

315094 Crystal Decanter, 2, #967 of 2329 🔗

Withdraw your Labour from the system
Go on the sick for the duration of any lockdown

315097 Jay Berger, 2, #968 of 2329 🔗
315098 Ricky R, replying to Ricky R, 32, #969 of 2329 🔗

The plan was always to lock down during christmas but keep up a facade that it was going ahead so people pump money into the economy first. The new strain propaganda was just a fear technique to get people to comply which has spectacularly backfired as the UK is now viewed as a leper which allegedly nobody in government predicted despite being the most obvious consequence of the new strain doom mongering.

Would be hilarious if we weren’t the ones being buggered the most.

315134 ▶▶ AngloWelshDragon, replying to Ricky R, 4, #970 of 2329 🔗

Considering how we reacted a couple of weeks ago when the new strain was found in mink in Denmark you’d think they might have had a bit of a clue how the rest of of Europe might react.

315137 ▶▶ Dame Lynet, replying to Ricky R, 12, #971 of 2329 🔗

They pulled the same dirty trick with students in autumn, getting them to cough up for fees and accommodation by telling them it was fine to go back and then blaming them for ‘spreading the virus’.

315100 Ben, 10, #972 of 2329 🔗

I ignore graphs now

The issue is human rights. Can we live our lives or not?

Is there a bad flu this year? Should I stock up on honey and lemons, cough medicine and paracetamol? (I already have enough vitamin D and zinc supplements.)

315112 Smelly Melly, replying to Smelly Melly, 8, #973 of 2329 🔗

Just a thought, but didn’t Macron have “IT” the other week. He seems to be ok and stirring it on BREXIT (another lie).

315170 ▶▶ Darryl, replying to Smelly Melly, 6, #974 of 2329 🔗

What a surprise, the media makes a big deal of when a leader supposedly tests positive, yet it chooses not to mention that he seemingly had nothing wrong with him. Millions will believe he was deadly ill and his life in grave danger – a complete lie.

I don’t know what it will take to convince the masses this isn’t the new plague, people are back doing the strange 5m swerve into the road when you walk past them for a split second.

315317 ▶▶ Crystal Decanter, replying to Smelly Melly, 1, #975 of 2329 🔗

Such a dangerous virus can’t even take out an obese alcoholic or an obese fast food guzzling diet coke head
Macron and Trudeau probably both have aids

315119 this is my username, replying to this is my username, 6, #976 of 2329 🔗

Hello, new here.

Some thoughts from yesterday which I thought I’d share today. When sitting at a junction, my father would sometimes muse that “they’ve opened another packet” – meaning there was another load of traffic coming through. Well yesterday it seemed as if the Daily Mail had “opened another packet” of commenters.

The scenes of wise people “bugging out” from London to their “bug out locations” – or simply fleeing back to their homes in the North, or maybe simply fleeing tyranny (nobody stopped to ask them) – was met with a different set of comments. Instead of the anti-lockdown views of so many weeks there (the top ten comments on most articles about the plandemic are usually against lockdown) I saw comments saying that they “shouldn’t have been allowed to leave London” and how they are “spreading the virus” and how “these people are the reason we’ve had to have lockdown, because they won’t obey the rules”.

I’ve learned there to make sure I put gaps in words if I want them to pass the algorithm, so I did when I pointed out this anomaly by saying: “Absolutely wrong. What happened to the crowds of folk on here saying that we should just get on with life? Were they all replaced by people from 7 7 t h B r i g a d e ?”.

I wonder if the arrows are rigged (I know they are sometimes, but I wonder in this case), or is it that 77th Brigade are doing a sterling job at the moment? Or is it that people have bought this lie that a virus with 40,000 mutations has now produced a mutation which causes Europe-leaving Britain to become a pariah?! It all seems rather too convenient, to me. Are the Globalists punishing us? If so why is Boris allowing it?

It was also noticeable that my usual score of 10% downvotes changed yesterday. I got about 2/3rd downvotes, yet my views have not changed. Interesting.

Any of you comment there? What has been your experience?

315277 ▶▶ thinkaboutit, replying to this is my username, 3, #977 of 2329 🔗

I felt that too looking at comments in the DT and Speccie. Many more comments of the “shoot the sceptics” type and names I hadn’t seen before. It seemed to be a focused effort to get pro tier 4 comments in early to steer opinion.

315650 ▶▶▶ this is my username, replying to thinkaboutit, #978 of 2329 🔗

Interesting. Thanks for that. Today the DM comments seem more back to normal. The government is taking every opportunity to oppress us with “science”.

315120 Dan Clarke, replying to Dan Clarke, 16, #979 of 2329 🔗

We are in more danger since they let Ferguson back in than from the virus

315150 ▶▶ RickH, replying to Dan Clarke, 13, #980 of 2329 🔗

I’m not sure that Ferguson ever went away, given the crap forecasts put out by the Chuckle Brothers that could be easily bettered by a simple graph and an eye for these things.

That is the amazing thing about epidemiological computer modelling – it consistently comes up with crap in comparison to simpler modelling based on knowing what viruses do and the commonalities between them. Loads of garbage inputs make absolutely no difference in terms of the garbage outputs.

315159 ▶▶▶ Will, replying to RickH, 6, #981 of 2329 🔗

Ferguson never went away. I suspect Cummings is still involved behind the scenes as well.

315167 ▶▶▶▶ Achilles, replying to Will, 1, #982 of 2329 🔗

Yep. They’re still working off Fergusons March modelling as their factual starting point.

315175 ▶▶▶▶▶ Will, replying to Achilles, 3, #983 of 2329 🔗

That is the datum. Hence why they have been pulling the ONS surveys that tell a very different story.

315570 ▶▶ Nigel Sherratt, replying to Dan Clarke, #984 of 2329 🔗

The man they couldn’t kill somewhat like Rasputin.

315135 Biker, replying to Biker, 48, #985 of 2329 🔗

Listening to Peter Hitchens. He articulates skeptics frustration perfectly but i’m not angry nor will i be. I thought i might be but you know what, why bother? There is nowhere to run so whatever happens is cool with me.
Why should i continue to let this into my mind when i can just fuck off back into my imagination from whence i’d been until i popped up on this site, which i only found because of a link on Hitchens Blog which i was only looking at because i heard about the virus while i was changing a cd in my car and it came on the bloody radio which in turn made me look at the Daily Mail and read his article so i clicked it and i found myself in the entrance hall of the hive mind. So i don’t think i’ll go in actually. I think i’ll go back outside. I’ve allowed the thoughts of the Moloch worshippers using Morphic Resonance to vibrate my pineal gland into engaging with them. I only want to ride my motorcycle and make music like i’ve been doing all my life until this bollocks forced itself into my ass like the Illinois Enema Bandit. You know what happens when you stick an enema up your ass? a whole lot of shit comes out.
I’m thinking turning off everything. I don’t have a mobile phone, no social media accounts, never posted on a forum outside of a Motorcycle forum before. I’m off to a secret location somewhere in the highlands to stay in a giant country pile with antlers on the wall and stuffed birds everywhere with woods and rivers and hills to ride our bikes on for the next couple of weeks anyway so it won’t be a chore to be offline.
I could give two fucks what happens to any of you and i’d wish you best of luck if there was any luck, over the Christmas.
I’d like to think i can ditch this but everyone knows it’s like a drug. Fuck the common mind, fuck all talking about the same story, fuck it all. Obviously just do what the fuck you want, ignore the rules they’ve made regarding anything in life not just the pandemic.
Probably won’t be able to resist posting some of my pish on my return but i gonna try.
Life is short and i’m not getting any younger and i don’t need to think of this shit any more.

315189 ▶▶ Sam Vimes, replying to Biker, 14, #986 of 2329 🔗

“Life is short and i’m not getting any younger and i don’t need to think of this shit any more.”

Heed ye all, for here be wisdom.

315220 ▶▶ Bella Donna, replying to Biker, 4, #987 of 2329 🔗

Enjoy your stay in the Highlands Biker. I look forward to your return and a Happy Christmas!

315222 ▶▶ mjr, replying to Biker, 3, #988 of 2329 🔗

you will be missed over the break.. maybe i need to listen to Derek and Clive to keep up the daily counts of expletives in your absence. enjoy yourself!!

315138 Ceriain, replying to Ceriain, 18, #989 of 2329 🔗

How to fiddle the Hospital patients figures to make it look like there are more Covid patients than there actually are?

Simple, you just change the definition of a Covid patient ; yes, this is exactly what they have done.

https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/details/healthcare (on the ‘About’ link under Admissions)

The definition of a Covid patient is now: England data include people admitted to hospital who tested positive for COVID-19 in the 14 days prior to admission , and those who tested positive in hospital after admission.

Yes, you are reading that correctly; they are now counting any person who gets admitted to hospital, for any reason , as a Covid patient, if they tested positive in the previous 14 days, even if they have no symptoms, and even if they are not being treated for Covid .

From their own reporting definitions: https://www.england.nhs.uk/statistics/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2020/12/Publication-definitions-.pdf

Definition of confirmed COVID-19 patients: For all relevant data items: a confirmed COVID-19 patient is any patient admitted to the trust who has recently (ie in the last 14 days) tested positive for COVID-19 following a polymerase chain reaction (PCR) test.

Couple that withe all the fake deaths with 28 days of a test and you get one hell of a big pile of bullshit!

315148 ▶▶ Charlie Blue, replying to Ceriain, 3, #990 of 2329 🔗

Honestly, I had always thought this was the MO, or at least for the last 6 months. Thanks for the proof, though!

315152 ▶▶ Ceci, replying to Ceriain, 8, #991 of 2329 🔗

We’ve known about this for a while

Also if you move departments/wards within the hospital you become further covid admission

If they take the patient from the ward to x ray they become a second covid admission

So a patient with no covid symptoms and is not being treated for covid could be 20 covid admissions

315157 ▶▶ RickH, replying to Ceriain, 7, #992 of 2329 🔗

This has been the case from the start – which is partly why all the fuss about PCR testing and thresholds.

The results are, indeed, garbage.

315233 ▶▶▶ awildgoose, replying to RickH, 3, #993 of 2329 🔗

I’ve seen the handling of the PCR test swabs up close.

Plenty of opportunity for cross-contamination at the average test point.

315244 ▶▶▶▶ RickH, replying to awildgoose, 2, #994 of 2329 🔗

Yes – and that’s just but one of the error sources!

315183 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to Ceriain, 4, #995 of 2329 🔗

And those people will be placed with other Covid patients. So if they are running with a false positive over their head and 25% of infections are picked up in hospitals. Well….

315200 ▶▶ Cranmer, replying to Ceriain, 3, #996 of 2329 🔗

The one thing that they can’t fake is overall death rate, unless of course they actually start killing people.

315208 ▶▶▶ Bella Donna, replying to Cranmer, 3, #997 of 2329 🔗

They can fake the cause of death and have been doing so all year.

315263 ▶▶▶▶ Mike, replying to Bella Donna, 2, #998 of 2329 🔗

They have been for a long time. I’ve had one grandparent die from misdiagnosed sepsis and another from ‘hospital strain’ bacterial pneumonia (as per the nurse looking after them, both apparently died of old age or frailty. The numbers are fudged to avoid scrutiny. This whole thing has given the NHS brilliant cover for mistreating patients and having 0 accountability.

315302 ▶▶▶ RickH, replying to Cranmer, 4, #999 of 2329 🔗

… which is why ‘all-cause’ mortality has been the only reliable metric from the start.

315313 ▶▶▶ Crystal Decanter, replying to Cranmer, #1000 of 2329 🔗

When the mountain of lockdown induced deaths come rolling in they will be put down to Covid

315228 ▶▶ mjr, replying to Ceriain, 3, #1001 of 2329 🔗

An expose of such mendacity would surely make a cracking front page for a national newspaper ……………… ok . i’ll get my coat!

315583 ▶▶ Silke David, replying to Ceriain, #1002 of 2329 🔗

Yep, I nearly exploded at the article in my local rag today, reporting about recent deaths and increase in “covid patients”.
No details if people just tested positive or being treated for respiratory difficulties.

315139 AngloWelshDragon, replying to AngloWelshDragon, 60, #1003 of 2329 🔗

My husband is driving his lorry down the A1 and says there are thousands of lorries heading north trying to get home other than via France. As a trucker’s wife my heart goes out to the truckers of all nations who have literally “kept on trucking” through this nightmare and are now condemned to be unable to get home to their families for Christmas and taking a huge hit to their incomes.

As my husband observed: they’ve killed hospitality, entertainment, independent retail so why not independent hauliers?

315154 ▶▶ Will, replying to AngloWelshDragon, 48, #1004 of 2329 🔗

The truckers are the real unsung heroes of the last year and they never get a mention from the virtue signallers. I hope your husband makes it home safely for Christmas and 2021 is not too dreadful for the independent hauliers.

315202 ▶▶▶ Bella Donna, replying to Will, 39, #1005 of 2329 🔗

Frankly the UK should have been clapping the truckers and shop staff that continued working providing us with goods and services and kept things rolling. The NHS shut up shop and left many to die at home.

315246 ▶▶▶▶ Crystal Decanter, replying to Bella Donna, 16, #1006 of 2329 🔗

I have nothing but disdain for those tiktokking nurses rubbing our faces in it during the “2 week to flatten the curve” farce

315262 ▶▶▶▶ AngloWelshDragon, replying to Bella Donna, 19, #1007 of 2329 🔗

Thanks everyone for the kind words. My husband takes household waste for incineration at power stations so he’s keeping the lights on. Interestingly despite no PPE other than hi-viz and wading around all day in domestic waste, care home waste (he had an adult nappy full of shit fall on him last week because clinical waste had been tipped at their yard in error) in a Tier 3 region not one person at his waste transfer station has had Covid 19.

315561 ▶▶▶▶▶ Nigel Sherratt, replying to AngloWelshDragon, 5, #1008 of 2329 🔗

Good to know that the waste is being burned as should all the plastic be. He’s probably choc full of antibodies and immune to everything.

315345 ▶▶▶ Jo Dominich, replying to Will, 9, #1009 of 2329 🔗

Working in a petrol station they are my favourite customers! Down to earth great sense of humour. One cane in this morning. He has two trucking friends stuck for 48 hours now and they will only be paid for one day. They are furious.

315160 ▶▶ Sue, replying to AngloWelshDragon, 21, #1010 of 2329 🔗

just read that france will open the borders for freight – so may be good news for the truckers getting home. Best to check official sources.
Thanks to your hubby and his fellow truckers for keeping us supplied with food etc!

315162 ▶▶ RickH, replying to AngloWelshDragon, 22, #1011 of 2329 🔗

Well – one thing this shit-show has done is to nail the myth that the Tories are ‘the Party of Business’. Of Snake-Oil, Funny Money and Hedge Funds – perhaps. But not ‘business’.

315141 Ceci, 23, #1012 of 2329 🔗

Know someone who boarded a cross channel ferry to go to France

The ferry was held in port for 48 hours because of the new ninja virus. Whilst in port all the passengers mixed and socialised

Ferry was then cancelled and the passengers returned to all four corners of the UK

That must be one fecking dangerous virus

315145 MarcusH, 5, #1013 of 2329 🔗

Terrifying article on the site today: “Saturday’s Anti-Lockdown Protest in London: An Eyewitness Report”
I’ve posted it on Facebook & quite reasonably, someone is asking for the camera / video footage. Please would you ask the contributor for this so that we can spread the (sad) word about this brutality? MTIA.
PS. Keep up the great work!

315153 l835, replying to l835, 16, #1014 of 2329 🔗

I’m sorry, I had a pcr test today. It was that or no operation, I did ask, might still be no op if they pick a + out of the bingo machine they use to generate results. But anyway, found the test centre at the hospital, no queue, no waiting, not even any staff, expect they’re all jabbing pensioners instead…

Heil drakeford.

315165 ▶▶ Crystal Decanter, replying to l835, 1, #1015 of 2329 🔗

Was it the up the nose test?

315185 ▶▶▶ l835, replying to Crystal Decanter, 7, #1016 of 2329 🔗

Yes, and back of throat, nearly vomited on the nurse, which would have been unfortunate.

315195 ▶▶▶▶ Ben, replying to l835, 5, #1017 of 2329 🔗

I wonder if these cruel, unnecessary tests are a trick to deter people from seeking medical treatment

A conspiracy theory I read mentioned that the invasiveness is a means of delivering a vaccine and collecting DNA. I have no opinion about that. But it seems a ridiculous way to test when we’re being told to distance and wear masks

315168 ▶▶ Charlie Blue, replying to l835, 6, #1018 of 2329 🔗

Don’t apologise. You’ve got to survive in order to keep fighting! Needs must. Really glad you are going ahead with the op.

315191 ▶▶▶ l835, replying to Charlie Blue, 2, #1019 of 2329 🔗

Thanks, my girlfriend prevailed upon me, threatening to withdraw certain privileges, which considering where the “legion” is were off the menu anyway. In fact, as a vet, she explained the procedure far more clearly than the registrar did, he just told me what was going to happen, so much for patient choice!

315177 ▶▶ Ben, replying to l835, 2, #1020 of 2329 🔗

If the test comes back ‘positive’, then let the hospital know that they’ve let you down. Let them know how deadly the virus is by the fact you have to stay home for two weeks.

I cannot see how this madness will end when such a high proportion of the human race is so stupid.

315196 ▶▶▶ l835, replying to Ben, 3, #1021 of 2329 🔗

I really don’t think they care. Have had to shout and make a nuisance of myself to get this far, still chasing results and awaiting phone calls to be returned…

315310 ▶▶▶▶ Crystal Decanter, replying to l835, 1, #1022 of 2329 🔗

Stick it to the Coronatarian system any way you can, how ever small
And smirk while doing it

315179 ▶▶ kenadams, replying to l835, 6, #1023 of 2329 🔗

Yeah, no need to apologise. My wife and I both got one for the c-section for the birth of our child. She obviously had to, and so did I if I wanted to be at the birth. There are no complete moral absolutes on issues such as this.

315238 ▶▶ Tyneside Tigress, replying to l835, 1, #1024 of 2329 🔗

Good luck for the operation (Christmas Eve, I think you said the other day?). You have made the right decision to go ahead. Sending you kindest thoughts.

315176 Charlie Blue, replying to Charlie Blue, 19, #1025 of 2329 🔗


Have we seen this latest manifestation of psychopathy? They can’t even keep track of their lies – let’s vaccinate those who don’t get ill even though we claim that it won’t stop them carrying or passing on the virus and we have not tested children. WTAF.

315186 ▶▶ Ben, replying to Charlie Blue, 19, #1026 of 2329 🔗

Neil Clark (@NeilClark66 on Twitter) has described events as a war of terror being waged on the people by the government

315216 ▶▶▶ Charlie Blue, replying to Ben, 3, #1027 of 2329 🔗

I can’t disagree with that. And there is absolutely no one willing or able to fight back who has sufficiently big guns.

315209 ▶▶ kenadams, replying to Charlie Blue, #1028 of 2329 🔗

If this happens, is this the thing which actually starts kick back?

315212 ▶▶▶ kenadams, replying to kenadams, 4, #1029 of 2329 🔗

I’m actually quite shocked, and I didn’t realise I was capable of that anymore.

315221 ▶▶▶ Charlie Blue, replying to kenadams, 2, #1030 of 2329 🔗

I doubt it. I fear that we are past the point where sufficient number of people will question anything, or trouble themselves to confront reality. The unions will love it, the terrified parents will love it, the terrified teachers will love it.

315269 ▶▶▶▶ Ben, replying to Charlie Blue, 3, #1031 of 2329 🔗

I’m dismayed by the unions. Truly pathetic.

They seem to find current events an exciting opportunity to virtue signal. They’re selling their own face masks FFS!

The unions are actually normalising fascism

315273 ▶▶▶ Achilles, replying to kenadams, #1032 of 2329 🔗

Problem is there’s still many people out there who think their child might die if they don’t get it, such is the propaganda onslaught. And the ones that don’t believe that believe that only mass vaccination will get things back to some kind of normality. They may even be right on that, but not for the reasons they think.

315332 ▶▶▶▶ kenadams, replying to Achilles, 2, #1033 of 2329 🔗

Surely that isn’t true? It’s less than being struck by lighting ffs.

The fact that the BBC never, ever release data on breakdown of deaths by age – why does that not make people question the narrative? They must at least have heard it mainly affects the old, so why don’t they question the complete absence of context provided by the BBC?

315370 ▶▶▶▶▶ Achilles, replying to kenadams, #1034 of 2329 🔗

Too busy playing Candy Crush I guess? Who knows?

315214 ▶▶ Tyneside Tigress, replying to Charlie Blue, 4, #1035 of 2329 🔗

None of the vaccines being fast-tracked for roll-out have been tested on under 16s as far as I know. The Oxford one had nobody under 18. This is the pretext for mass murder.

315223 ▶▶▶ Charlie Blue, replying to Tyneside Tigress, 1, #1036 of 2329 🔗

I doubt it would lead to mass deaths, though I appreciate your concerns. It would be so far removed from rationality, whatever lies and and obfuscation were used, however, that I think I would find it difficult to convince myself that all hope was not lost for all of us.

315243 ▶▶ Jonathan Palmer, replying to Charlie Blue, 4, #1037 of 2329 🔗

How many parents will let their children be guinea pigs in this mass experiment.
I am starting to get hopeful that this is their Hubris moment.Who can blame them,we have swallowed all of their bullshit so far but touch people’s children and something primeval kicks in.

315178 Ben, replying to Ben, 7, #1038 of 2329 🔗

Twitter thread by Robin Monotti Graziadei:
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315206 ▶▶ leggy, replying to Ben, 4, #1039 of 2329 🔗

In the process, killing the patient no doubt.

315334 ▶▶▶ Ben, replying to leggy, #1040 of 2329 🔗

Accidentally, yes. More details in the thread itself

316263 ▶▶▶ PastImperfect, replying to leggy, #1041 of 2329 🔗

Since day 1 – denying treatments such as HCQ. Up to 3/4 could have been saved.

315400 ▶▶ annie, replying to Ben, 2, #1042 of 2329 🔗

FIRST, do no harm.

315182 Noumenon, replying to Noumenon, 14, #1044 of 2329 🔗

If people try to be all “psychologistic” with you as if you are deluded rather than holding a well considered opinion then the best policy is to resort to questions. Don’t attempt, first of all, to explain your position. Dismantle their pre-conceived notion of what your position is.

When they accuse you of something ask them to give a definition of said thing. People who are dogmatic and indoctrinated will collapse at this hurdle because the reality is that they haven’t thought about what they are saying.

This is very similar to the Socratic method which earned Socrates such notoriety in Athens, but also a great reputation for exposing unfounded beliefs and accusations. Be careful though, Socrates was put to death for his being such a thorn in the side of the Athenian elite and for encouraging the youth to question received opinion!

315204 ▶▶ Julian, replying to Noumenon, 5, #1045 of 2329 🔗

Bang on

The coronapanic narrative can be destroyed simply by getting them to explain their position and provide evidence

It is the panic side that must prove its case as it is they who advocate extraordinary measures

315289 ▶▶▶ RickH, replying to Julian, 3, #1046 of 2329 🔗

I only half agree with you, Julian. The evidence base of the Covid narrative can be pretty easily destroyed. But, despite that, the narrative lives on.

And that’s our problem

315555 ▶▶▶▶ Noumenon, replying to RickH, #1047 of 2329 🔗

That’s why you should ask questions. The problem is a narrative problem i.e. it is more of a psycho-ethical-philosophical issue than a scientific one. Asking questions opens the narrative up to analysis which can reveal contradictions. It forces the other party to think through justifications rather than simply straw-manning your position.

Too many people focus on the “science” rather than the prejudices, preconceptions and beliefs that underpin people’s disposition to believe a certain set of scientific propositions which go together to make a paradigm.

These underlying biases are often not scientific at all. To give one example, people often assert that lockdowns and social distancing are ‘loving’ acts yet the concept of ‘love’ is not analysed.

This is where it gets Socratic because Socrates’ preoccupation was with generalisable definitions, not specific examples. He would refute the offering of specific examples through questioning and counter examples in a bid to clarify a concept e.g. ‘love’

By following this method the other party is forced to think more broadly and contextualise. They can no longer frame ‘love’ as exclusively exemplified by their current frame of reference i.e. the Covid narrative.

It can be a slow procedure, or a very quick one, but it does work and is a state of mind that needs to be cultivated more than ever in this unthinking world.

315577 ▶▶▶▶▶ Noumenon, replying to Noumenon, #1048 of 2329 🔗

It of course applies in far more contexts than just analysing “love”. Everything from scientific details such as interpretation of data to political issues such as who wields power.

The example of power is an interesting one because in analysing the question of power you can turn traditional concepts on their head. The executive function of power, which most people don’t look beyond, becomes disturbingly insignificant and dubious when you draw in economic, ideological, academic, criminal, psychological etc. influences.

315197 Tee Ell, 15, #1049 of 2329 🔗

“even Devi Sridhar was looking for some more information before panicking”

Wow. This is truly unprecedented.

315203 ▶▶ leggy, replying to Tyneside Tigress, 8, #1051 of 2329 🔗

I’d be very surprised. Unless the legal action hanging over his head has forced a crisis of conscience.

315300 ▶▶▶ helen, replying to leggy, 1, #1052 of 2329 🔗

Yes, its his way of ceasing and desisting.

315210 ▶▶ Hieronimusb, replying to Tyneside Tigress, 7, #1053 of 2329 🔗

Gaslighting Gauleiter.

315399 ▶▶ annie, replying to Tyneside Tigress, 1, #1054 of 2329 🔗

He has to, If it exists at all, it’s in Germany already. Blow it up now as a solely British thing and there’ll be hell to pay.

315455 ▶▶ Ben, replying to Tyneside Tigress, 1, #1055 of 2329 🔗

You trust the architect of tyranny, Drosten?

315201 Hieronimusb, replying to Hieronimusb, 53, #1056 of 2329 🔗

Season’s Greetings to all lockdown sceptics and Season’s Gruntings to anyone else. Also, sincere thanks to Tobes and all of you who come here with useful information and insight, good humour, bad humour, and general comment. Courage to all those who are lonely and depressed. ¡ No Pasarán !

315305 ▶▶ Alethea, replying to Hieronimusb, 7, #1057 of 2329 🔗

A luta continua: vitoria e certa!

315395 ▶▶▶ annie, replying to Alethea, 5, #1058 of 2329 🔗

¡Sigamos adelante!

315535 ▶▶▶▶ Nigel Sherratt, replying to annie, 1, #1059 of 2329 🔗

The beatings will continue until morale improves (or until the government dissolves the people and elects another).

315218 DThom, replying to DThom, 25, #1060 of 2329 🔗

Why the hell is Bollocks Ferguson still anywhere near the decision making?

315224 ▶▶ Achilles, replying to DThom, 14, #1061 of 2329 🔗

They’re in thrall. See it every day in my job. Statistically illiterate senior management wooed by pretty colours and sciency looking charts.

315230 ▶▶▶ stevie, replying to Achilles, 6, #1062 of 2329 🔗

Like project planners who were first to get big colour printers to post weekly charts all over the office walls.

315255 ▶▶▶▶ Fingerache Philip., replying to stevie, 5, #1063 of 2329 🔗

I remember back in the 90’s when our ( now unsurprisingly defunct) company employing a “consultant” who used to line the walls of her office with lines of brown and white paper covered in various “workings out” who nobody could understand at all and as she got further along said papers she became more and more agitated.
This “Performance” achieved f××k all.
On one occasion she broke down completely and her husband ( a consultant psychiatrist) had to come to calm her down.
But as you and Achilles say, our management were transfixed by her and other’s flashing lights and ringing bells

315308 ▶▶▶ Merlin, replying to Achilles, 6, #1064 of 2329 🔗

There’s a reason that I’m the guy that swears in meetings and points out stupidity. I work in a similar environment. Fuck knows how I have not been fired.

315225 ▶▶ Tyneside Tigress, replying to DThom, 7, #1065 of 2329 🔗

If we get Jonathan V-T out later, we will have been treated to all 4 of them on the airwaves today. Ferguson is the one with the model, and I sincerely doubt JV-T, Calum Semple (inappropriately sporting a Santa Claus tie when interviewed on Sky later), and Andrew Hayward (also on Sky earlier) have the brain power to challenge the output of the model, let alone the quality of the inputs.

315234 ▶▶ George Dance, replying to DThom, 6, #1066 of 2329 🔗

I don’t know, but I’m sure it’s the same reason that the scientists are still citing the Imperial College models. The John Snow job, for instance, backs up its claim that lockdowns reduce mortality by citing Flaxman’s paper that claimed there would have been 3 million deaths in Europe by May without them.

315284 ▶▶▶ RickH, replying to George Dance, 2, #1067 of 2329 🔗

…. on the basis of no visible evidence, only magical thinking.

315288 ▶▶▶ Sam Vimes, replying to George Dance, 3, #1068 of 2329 🔗

I can state with complete honesty that I saved something like £400,000 by not buying two Aston Martins.

315270 ▶▶ Crystal Decanter, replying to DThom, #1069 of 2329 🔗

Probably got bored of fingering his current floozy

315275 ▶▶ RickH, replying to DThom, 2, #1070 of 2329 🔗

I find it positive that he is – proof of the total corruption of SAGE and associated ‘advice’.

315229 George Dance, replying to George Dance, 4, #1071 of 2329 🔗

There seems to be a lot of uncertainty around this one new strain of virus, based on ignorance; the thing’s only been discovered, so there’s a lot still to learn about it. We don’t have to stay in ignorance, though, as there are some things we can easily learn about it. One is whether it infects people who have already had the disease (or, by implication, those vaccinated for it).

The NIH says the virus is in London and Kent; so, presumably, they are keeping track of who has been infected with it. It is theoretically easy to match those records with those who were infected in the spring, to find any reinfections, cross-check for things like whether they’re on immune suppression therapy, and establish what the reinfection rate is.

Knowledge is a much better grounds on which to make policy than ignorance. Unfortunately, it seems too much government policy is based on fear that in turn based on ignorance.

That’s why I’m hoping that some LS reader(s) in the UK might know how to get the above knowledge, whether by asking the right authorities or by doing the work from public data, and be willing to take up that ball and run with it.

If you can help with this, please let me know; my email is linked to my name on this message .

315240 ▶▶ Liam, replying to George Dance, 5, #1072 of 2329 🔗

This comment seems reasonable enough to me and looking at the linked site with the poster’s name he seems one of us. I don’t quite understand the downvotes?

315252 ▶▶ Ben, replying to George Dance, 13, #1073 of 2329 🔗

Bear in mind throughout human history humans have been ‘infected’ with colds and flu and our freedoms and civil liberties were not removed

I have gone past the science and the ‘knowledge’. Do human rights matter: yes or no? If health crises, inflated or not, take precedence over human rights then surrender to a future life of unending restrictions, face masks, vaccines, immunity passports, destruction of society, of socialising, freedom, love, spontaneity. Do not be upset about pubs, restaurants, threatres, cinemas, bars and cafe’s closing if you choose to align with Government ‘protection’ versus freedom with risk

It’s a very simple and stark choice


315265 ▶▶ karenovirus, replying to George Dance, 6, #1074 of 2329 🔗

Grant Shapps was on the Today Programme this morning saying that the main novelty of the mutant Covid is that

“. . . 11 people who tested positive with it were not actually ill and that’s the problem! People are moving around without knowing they had it, asymptomatic carriers!”

Just like the Pfizer vaccine.

315619 ▶▶▶ A. Contrarian, replying to karenovirus, 2, #1075 of 2329 🔗

Oh God, it’s stopped making people ill – what shall we do!!!

315639 ▶▶▶ Silke David, replying to karenovirus, #1076 of 2329 🔗

We are shitting down the country for 11?!?!?!?

(Wanted to say shutting, but mistyped. Freudian slip?)

315272 ▶▶ RickH, replying to George Dance, 9, #1077 of 2329 🔗

The problem is, George, that it’s essentially a fiction – a variant plucked out of mid-air and then wrapped in Scary Fairy clothes.

No respectable scientist would have authored the pronouncements made about it on the basis of loose associations.

Best ignore it.

315375 ▶▶ annie, replying to George Dance, 1, #1078 of 2329 🔗

According to Gething it’s managed to hop from Kent right over to Wales.

315235 Sarigan, replying to Sarigan, 43, #1079 of 2329 🔗


Drive from tier 2 to Heathrow – no problems
Daughter boards flight to Edinburgh – no problems
Daughter arrives in Edinburgh – no problems
Daughter spends Christmas and New Year with boyfriend – result.

315254 ▶▶ RickH, replying to Sarigan, 9, #1080 of 2329 🔗

Yep. My daughter’s coming the other way and has crossed the border with no problem from Barmy Wee Krankie’s Lukewarm Fuzz.

Evidently – police visible on Glasgow and Edinburgh stations, but behaving in a proper civilised manner.

315339 ▶▶▶ kf99, replying to RickH, 2, #1081 of 2329 🔗

I assume plod at stations would be BTP. Which the nats unsuccessfully tried to take over a few years back. So it’s still a GB-wide force. Not sure if the high-heeled haggis any control of them?

315256 ▶▶ mjr, replying to Sarigan, 7, #1082 of 2329 🔗

“Daughter spends Christmas and New Year with boyfriend – result.”

you become a grandparent?

315278 ▶▶▶ Sarigan, replying to mjr, 1, #1083 of 2329 🔗

Hope not!!!

315285 ▶▶▶▶ Sam Vimes, replying to Sarigan, 4, #1084 of 2329 🔗

Sarigan/Rick H: Good luck to you and all yours, in simply trying to live a family life.

315337 ▶▶▶▶▶ RickH, replying to Sam Vimes, 3, #1085 of 2329 🔗

Thanks, Sam – we’ve tried to keep as normal as possible, but one son has decided not to travel up, because they have a 6-month baby and can’t risk being buggered about, given the uncertainties. I guess that sort of thing is common, and where the bastards always win out.

315373 ▶▶ annie, replying to Sarigan, 4, #1086 of 2329 🔗

Excellent, hope they have a lovely time.

315236 George Mc, replying to George Mc, 18, #1087 of 2329 🔗

They are certainly preparing for the inevitable:


“How should you talk to friends and relatives who believe conspiracy theories?”

I love no. 3:

“Encourage critical thinking

People who believe conspiracy theories often say: “I do my own research.” The problem is that their research tends to consist of watching fringe YouTube videos, following random people on Facebook, and cherry-picking evidence from biased Twitter accounts.”

i.e. the problem is that their research tends to be their research and not ours!

Advice to the curious and sceptical:

“Your aim is not to make them less curious or sceptical, but to change what they are curious about, or sceptical of.”

Ah you see – some things are off the table with the curiosity and the scepticism!

“That’s what helped Phil from Belfast. He used to be big into 9/11 conspiracies.”

Oh silly Phil!

Then there’s a whole host of advice that could easily be turned against our mainstream pulpit bashers:

“Just because one expert believes something, doesn’t make it true.”


“You can find experts and very intelligent people who lend credence to any position,”


“Focus on those who are pushing these ideas, and what they might be getting,” says Claire Wardle. “For instance, financial gain by selling health supplements, or reputational gain in building a following.”

Well precisely!

315241 ▶▶ Mike, replying to George Mc, 7, #1088 of 2329 🔗

I can’t wait for someone in my family to try this out on me….the little snot will get both barrels!!

315245 ▶▶ Ben, replying to George Mc, 13, #1089 of 2329 🔗

I remember the BBC peddling the lie that there were weapons of mass destruction in Iraq. The BBC is a force for evil. Glad I don’t have a television. I would pay not to have one

315295 ▶▶▶ Crystal Decanter, replying to Ben, 5, #1090 of 2329 🔗

And then there was Dr David Kelley
Still have my doubts about Robin Cook
Claire Short made a very sharp exit after he <ahem> fell

315328 ▶▶▶ Ben, replying to Ben, 1, #1091 of 2329 🔗

I don’t have a television. I hate television

315387 ▶▶▶ Two-Six, replying to Ben, 1, #1092 of 2329 🔗

The cosy little TV set the BBC made, with the sofa and the standard lamp when they gave Tony Blair the platform to lie about weapons of mass destruction and the 45 minute claim a day or two before the axix of evil bombing campaign started on Iraq. The BBC have form for lying and brainwashing. An illustrious history.

315266 ▶▶ RickH, replying to George Mc, 11, #1093 of 2329 🔗

Having said all that – one thing I try to avoid is getting into circular debates about the ‘Why?’ of the Covid Scamdemic. That’s where you can lose a possible convert by getting bogged down. I try to stick to ‘I dunno – but here’s what is happening in terms of the cold facts’.

315280 ▶▶ DThom, replying to George Mc, 1, #1094 of 2329 🔗

I read that – what one sided tripe!

315281 ▶▶ calchas, replying to George Mc, 10, #1095 of 2329 🔗

I like:

“As of 19 March 2020, COVID-19 is no longer considered to be a high consequence infectious disease (HCID) in the UK.”


Don’t know if that’s a fringe website or not.

315282 ▶▶ Kevin 2, replying to George Mc, 3, #1096 of 2329 🔗

“Focus on those who are pushing these ideas, and what they might be getting,”

Were they referring to Fauci, Gates, Soros, Dr No, et al?

315314 ▶▶ Jo Dominich, replying to George Mc, 7, #1097 of 2329 🔗

Valance and his £600000 pound investment in Pfizer.

315503 ▶▶▶ Nigel Sherratt, replying to Jo Dominich, 2, #1098 of 2329 🔗

He worked there for years, Yeadon knew him, just part of his pay package.

315421 ▶▶ OKUK, replying to George Mc, 1, #1099 of 2329 🔗

I’ve noticed there’s someone online a lot these days who is peddling disinformation. Don’t know if others have heard of her…calls herself Marianna Spring (don’t know if that’s her real name). Applying the BBC’s advice on conspiracists, I can see she has a lot to gain from her activity. She seems to get a massive ego boost out of it and a very large salary with guaranteed pension as well. Many of her claims are totally absurd e.g. that you can in advance distinguish
between “legitimate” concerns about a vaccine and “non-legitimate”concerns.

It’s noticeable she never gives an example of a legitimate concern.

More recently she’s been claiming that allegations of election fraud in the US are part of a conspiracy to undermine democracy. This despite a mountain of evidence including validated statistical analysis , legal and constitutional objections, attested statements of wrongdoing, video evidence of fraud and forensic analysis of voter machines.

She’s a wrong un!

315239 Sue, replying to Sue, 3, #1100 of 2329 🔗

from another site this apparently is the email address of your dear leader – the billy bunter who can’t dress properly, can’t sort his flippin hair, can’t tie his shoelaces let alone lead a country, and has a penchant for young ladies half his age.

Anyway if anyone is so inclined to vent some truths then email away


315293 ▶▶ BobblyBob, replying to Sue, #1101 of 2329 🔗

As far as I understand all gov email addresses no longer have .gsi in them. I’ve checked that with and without the .gsi and it’s a bad address I’m afraid, you won’t get hold of the pig dictator there.

315242 tinxx, replying to tinxx, -12, #1102 of 2329 🔗

12-months ago, the nearest thing that we have seen to a political “rockstar” in the UK in recent years delivered an 80 seat populist majority to the beleaguered Conservative party with the promise of sunny uplands, a Brexit deal and an open and confident UK preparing for the coming decade of growth and opportunity. Fast forward to today and we see the populist rockstar reduced to an apparently incompetent knave who doesn’t deserve to survive past the New Year – once the “poison chalice” of Brexit is done. U-turns everywhere, the appearance of incompetence and the inability to lead are now laid at Boris Johnson’s door along with the cancelling of Christmas. The media narrative has turned a formally popular “populist” into the focus of anger and distain.
BE VERY CAREFUL here. This is the bigger plan. There are very significant interests out in the world who need to destroy the idea of accountable, democratic decision making and critically undermining Boris Johnson is part of that plan. After winning the election Boris Johnson has been continually set up to take a fall by those opposed to his style of popular politics. His body language tells you everything you need to know. He is being leaked against and bounced into decisions against his political instincts and against the needs of the British public and to make him appear in as bad a light as possible. He is being forced into highly unpopular decisions (whilst being lied to about how popular they are) as the globalist club close ranks in order to try and sustain the unaccountable, unelected supranational power bases of the WHO, the UN and the EU. If we are to survive as an independent nation, we need the likes of Boris Johnson – not the likes of Sir Keir Starmer or Matt Hancock. We need politicians whose instincts align with those of the general public they represent – not the lobbyists and interest groups who seek to leverage political influence to their own benefit. Just as we can see in the US where the “deep state” is doing everything it can to remove President Trump the populist from the board, our domestic equivalent is seeking to do the same with Boris Johnson in order to replace him with someone more malleable. Either that, or simply reduce him to a hollow shell of a leader who inspires no-one and will no longer seek to resist the pressures of the globalist ideals that he (still) recognises as being antipathetical to the interests of the UK population.

315249 ▶▶ RickH, replying to tinxx, 15, #1103 of 2329 🔗

Aahhh! Poor ickle Alex! The victim!

Sorry – but if you didn’t know that he was a lying, lazy, psychopathic narcissist in 2019, then your judgment and basic knowledge is so flawed as to be laughable.

But your posting did give a few seconds of merriment in this grim time brought to us courtesy of the same ‘rock star’ Mr Toad!

315253 ▶▶▶ Tom Blackburn, replying to RickH, 8, #1104 of 2329 🔗

Have to agree. All of the signs were there already.

315309 ▶▶▶ Jo Dominich, replying to RickH, 10, #1105 of 2329 🔗

Yep he lied throughout including his Stint as Foreign Secretary. Tight through the GE all the time in fact. He’s been sacked from two jobs for lying. He is a pathological liar unfortunately a
Look our PM. He can stop this shirt show by ignoring Fergus son Witless and Unbalanced – all liars too. A cabal of dishonest liars. Destroying thiso country.

315506 ▶▶▶ tinxx, replying to RickH, #1106 of 2329 🔗

You are missing the point entirely. It is not about my judgement – it is about the threat that a politician who is seemingly popular enough to bring down the “red wall” and provide a 5-year period of government with an ability to deliver on its manifesto pledges poses. The threat of Boris Johnson for those whose interests are not aligned with his proposals is effectively dealt with by the creation of chaos and mishandling to terminally undermine belief in politicians to deliver on their promises. Much better to have an efficient bureaucracy instead…

315274 ▶▶ Sam Vimes, replying to tinxx, 6, #1107 of 2329 🔗

We need politicians whose instincts align with those of the general public they represent – not the lobbyists and interest groups who seek to leverage political influence to their own benefit

Yes, we do. But they don’t exist.

315329 ▶▶▶ RickH, replying to Sam Vimes, 3, #1108 of 2329 🔗

Be careful of what you wish for. Currently “ politicians whose instincts align with those of the general public they represent” is a nonsense idea, given that there divisions within public opinion, and, as of know, if you went for a substantial majority, you would come up with MPs who are only too happy to let this Covid shit-show drift on.

No, I want intelligent MPs who look and think, and have integrity – not those who jump from bandwagon to bandwagon on the basis of the MSM and opinion polls (aka ‘populists’)

315361 ▶▶▶▶ Sam Vimes, replying to RickH, #1109 of 2329 🔗

I guess I was thinking of a sensible general public, Rick. But again, that doesn’t exist.

315290 ▶▶ Crystal Decanter, replying to tinxx, 7, #1110 of 2329 🔗

Judge them not by what they say, but by what they do
Alexander Falafel has not done very well to date

315491 ▶▶ Rick, replying to tinxx, #1111 of 2329 🔗

Whilst I genuinely acknowledge your points, in the end it comes down to grit and determination to rise above the poo and make some tough calls. He could get rid of Hancock and many on the Sage group, replace with more balanced and considered advisors who look at the consequences of action and policy more broadly. If, like you suggest, this is a wider attack from the woke left/new Marxists or whatever or whoever they are then any leader who is going to stand up to that lot better get his or her own house in order first.

315518 ▶▶▶ tinxx, replying to Rick, #1112 of 2329 🔗

Sadly, I think that he is compromised somewhere along the line and unable to do that. He did get Carl Heneghan et al. in for discussions earlier in the Autumn but the reappearance of Fergusson on Nervtag suggests that SAGE and the Imperial stormtroopers are determined to limit information to their prior selected message bearers

315548 ▶▶▶▶ Basics, replying to tinxx, #1113 of 2329 🔗

Not reappearance, he never went away. It was a lie.

316077 ▶▶ cubby, replying to tinxx, #1114 of 2329 🔗

Maybe it’s part of his plan to thwart Brexit? “I did my best, you know I’m a Brexiteer but we need help to get through this by delaying indefinitely……”

315261 James Leary #KBF, replying to James Leary #KBF, 13, #1115 of 2329 🔗

Hancock having now admitted they can’t control it, how many more heartbeats before Rishi tells us to ‘Go out to help out’ with natural immunity, which can has been kicked so far down the street it’s in danger of arriving where it started.

315306 ▶▶ Tyneside Tigress, replying to James Leary #KBF, 3, #1116 of 2329 🔗

Was it him, or Jenrick, who urged us all to shop for Britain after the second lockdown ended?

315323 ▶▶ Ben, replying to James Leary #KBF, 7, #1117 of 2329 🔗

Didn’t realise viruses could be controlled

315606 ▶▶ A. Contrarian, replying to James Leary #KBF, #1118 of 2329 🔗

So if they can’t control it… why are they bothering to try to control it?

315271 NorthumbrianNomad, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, 29, #1119 of 2329 🔗

I’ve worked out what happened. It’s Hancock’s fault. And it’s all about hearing what you expect to hear rather than what you actually hear. He got a phone call from an agitated epidemiologist calling on a bad connection from traffic. What he heard was “it’s a bloody mutant strain! They said it’s 70 percent quicker – it’s apocalyptic!” What the man actually said was “it’s the bloody Luton train! They said it’s 17 minutes quicker but I’m still stuck at Flitwick!”

315303 ▶▶ Hieronimusb, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, 5, #1120 of 2329 🔗

The General’s going to a dance, send three and fourpence. (The General’s going to advance, send reinforcements)

315366 ▶▶ annie, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, 3, #1121 of 2329 🔗

Send three-and-fourpence, we’re going to a dance,

315461 ▶▶ Alethea, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, 5, #1122 of 2329 🔗

Who knew Luton was going to become so useful for verbal joke purposes? (Another poster has already rhymed Luton with mutant in a Good King Wenceslas parody earlier today.)

This may be the poetic apotheosis for which Luton has been waiting since its founding by the Saxons in the sixth century.

315565 ▶▶ karenovirus, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, 2, #1123 of 2329 🔗

Could be worse, might have been Jaywick.

315279 sam, replying to sam, 1, #1124 of 2329 🔗

anyone know how to find lockdown protests in the u sa? i can find them in england and wish coudl be there but through my google research i cant find anything just things like from last may and how dangerous the plague , sorry virus is . will keep trying the problem is almost all my friends and family are believers in the new religion so i cant ask them

315349 ▶▶ PoshPanic, replying to sam, 3, #1125 of 2329 🔗

Tip: don’t use Google to search for anything.

There have been some in SoCal, LA and the San Diego county that I’ve seen online.

315286 Dan Clarke, replying to Dan Clarke, 5, #1126 of 2329 🔗

The DM has lost it. Remainers with the EU trying to stop Brexit by calling us plague island.

315296 ▶▶ Jo Dominich, replying to Dan Clarke, 8, #1127 of 2329 🔗

Well Hancock shot out yet another lie to cancel Christmas making it sound as though the situation here was out of control which of course it isn’the. What do u expect the international response would be. I’m a Remainer by the way. It’s nothing to do with this fiasco the Govt has created through it’so incompetence lies and lack of any thought.

315319 ▶▶ Ben, replying to Dan Clarke, 8, #1128 of 2329 🔗

Remainers are quite content to destroy the economy by calling for lockdowns, whereas their reasons for remaining in the EU were to protect the economy. Hypocritical cultists

315351 ▶▶▶ OKUK, replying to Ben, 7, #1129 of 2329 🔗

It’s noticeable the maddest maskers and the looniest lockdowners proudly display FBPE. They probably wear spider brooches as well.

315600 ▶▶▶ A. Contrarian, replying to Ben, 3, #1130 of 2329 🔗

I’m a Remainer (or a Remainer-lite as I like to think of myself – I thought we would broadly be OK whichever way it went), don’t tar us all with the same brush. I don’t go around slagging off Brexiteers! There are nice and nasty people on both sides. Most people I know are Remainers and lots are anti-lockdown, or at least mildly sceptical.

My brother and his wife are committed lefties. It came up in conversation one day, and she said she would never have married him if he’d turned out to be “a Tory”. I think it’s so sad to feel like that. I know people on both sides and the majority are decent human beings whatever their political allegiance.

315652 ▶▶▶▶ Ovis, replying to A. Contrarian, 1, #1131 of 2329 🔗

My friends and family are a complete rainbow of politics. We have robust discussions. We don’t fall out. I am always grateful for the privilege of knowing that my political opponents are not evil or stupid.

315326 ▶▶ DRW, replying to Dan Clarke, 6, #1132 of 2329 🔗

Wouldn’t surprise me if Bozo did just cancel Brexit given how much he’s betrayed all his voters.

315291 Lockdown_Lunacy, 23, #1133 of 2329 🔗

Something positive. I was in the post office queue today and an elderly chap on a trip out from the local retirement home with a carer took his mask off to play with my son in his buggy. It was nice.

315292 Stuart, 6, #1134 of 2329 🔗

We are all mutants now and the Continentals will trifle with us at their peril.

315294 richard riewer, 7, #1135 of 2329 🔗

No Compromises. Zero. Be steadfast and resolute.

315299 Lockdown_Lunacy, 32, #1136 of 2329 🔗

@MabelCow. I spotted a sticker with your ‘Get a Life. Bin the Mask’ design on a lamppost on Fleet high street today. Looked freshly applied. Nice to see!

315307 George Mc, 4, #1137 of 2329 🔗

Xmas Day advice on how to skirt the lockdown issue:

  1. Just scrap Xmas altogether
  2. Drive the old dears home in a rush on Xmas Day (big pile ups expected)
  3. Sneak the old dears out on Boxing Day (to the theme of Mission Impossible perhaps?)
315312 mhcp, 7, #1138 of 2329 🔗

For all we know the “mutant” virus could just be SAGE doing a Ron Burgundy on Handcock.

“Fuck you San Diego”

315318 DRW, replying to DRW, 31, #1139 of 2329 🔗

What a grim day. Miserable weather. Falling out with someone else who was seeingly better but buying into this again. Another argument, albeit short. Family as brainwashed as ever, now admitted they think I’m a conspiracy theorist. Not sad I won’t see them this year. Heard shops were packed with panic buying again.

We all try to resist as much as we can but if the majority are still this deluded we really are in deep shit. I’m sure in 1930s Germany there were hopes the Nazis would eventually “go too far” but one step at a time the dystopia just got worse.

315320 ▶▶ kenadams, replying to DRW, 11, #1140 of 2329 🔗

Yeah, I do worry about that. I mean, if Dachau wasn’t too far, then there’s clearly nothing that Hancock can do that people will stand up to.

315549 ▶▶▶ karenovirus, replying to kenadams, 5, #1141 of 2329 🔗

The nazis initially presented concentration camps as containment centres for recalcitrant communists and degenerates. Newsreels showed happy inmates planting gardens, attending classes and putting on stage shows.

315451 ▶▶ Alethea, replying to DRW, 9, #1142 of 2329 🔗

Have you been able to make any contact with people whose perception of reality is compatible with yours? I have lately managed to meet a few sceptical people – after months entirely surrounded by the virus-entranced – and it has made a huge difference to my state of mind. I would warmly encourage anyone who has been alone in this madness to do whatever they can to find like-minded others to talk to about it. The forums on this site look quite promising for that.

315534 ▶▶▶ DRW, replying to Alethea, 2, #1143 of 2329 🔗

I know a few people who are better. But I’m still having a bad day today.

315763 ▶▶▶ Tom in Scotland, replying to Alethea, 1, #1144 of 2329 🔗

I’m fortunate in having a good friend (another academic at a different university) who has seen through this shitshow from the beginning, like me, but most of my colleagues seem to be Covidians and rather devout cult members. Recently I found a few PhD students (including the one I’m supervising – plus my co-supervising colleague) who are on my wavelength as well, and it really does help, as you say. Most of my few remaining US relatives are sceptical or full-on opponents of the narrative.

In general, though, it’s pretty grim. Just had a Zoom meeting with a colleague who was full-on terrified and won’t even return to the office for several months after ‘everyone’ has the magic vaccine, just to make sure it works properly. FFS! As long as she has it, she should be ‘safe’, in theory, so I just don’t get it. The conditioning has been very effective. By the way, I have noticed anecdotally that men seem to more likely not to buy into the BS, particularly if they are not ‘woke’.

315949 ▶▶▶▶ Alethea, replying to Tom in Scotland, 2, #1145 of 2329 🔗

Yes, I think everyone else at my university is genuinely frightened. They’re inhabiting a world in which every door handle, computer keyboard and seminar table pulsates with lethality. Some of my colleagues wear vizors as well as eyelid-to-neck masks even outdoors on campus.

316057 ▶▶▶▶▶ Tom in Scotland, replying to Alethea, 1, #1146 of 2329 🔗

I’ve worked entirely from home and haven’t been in my office since March. It’s not due to any fear of the Rona, but fear of the hysterical idiots, plus a commute I’d rather do without. Reports I hear from campus sound dire and I’m in no hurry to return. We’re teaching online entirely in Semester 2.

316103 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ DRW, replying to Tom in Scotland, 2, #1147 of 2329 🔗

Universities must be the worst institutions for zealotry.

316327 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Tom in Scotland, replying to DRW, 1, #1148 of 2329 🔗

Yes – and for bureaucracy, form-filling, wokeness, and other forms of BS. I can’t get over how I need to complete a 20-page form to get ethical approval to interview a politician who has lots of experience with interviews and would never say anything that would be harmful to his/her own interests, yet most countries have instituted the most harmful lockdowns imaginable, plus the fucking masks and a ‘magic vaccine’ at record speed without any regard for the ethics of this inhuman experiment. It makes my blood boil.

316134 ▶▶▶▶▶ A leaf, replying to Alethea, 2, #1149 of 2329 🔗

Some people are way past the level of hypochondria that can be reversed.. even if they take the vaccine their life will not return to normal. Hypochondria is a obsessive compulsive disorder which is very difficult to treat maybe with some kind of ssri and exposure therapy.. can you imagine those visored gloved up, scared sh.tless poor souls consenting exposure therapy to human contact even after the vaccine?? I don’t think so and apart from the ones that have real health conditions or advance age I don’t give a damn about them either. They are a huge part of the problem,they are the ones responsible for goverment’s cavalierly acts of putting us through this out of proportion restrictions and psyc-ops.

315321 Lowe, replying to Lowe, 23, #1150 of 2329 🔗

A strange world. Border patrols and railway station patrols to stop Britons travelling around and yet we don’t seem able to stop illegal immigrants coming in to the country. Just so long as they don’t move between tiers, they’ll be OK!

315340 ▶▶ Ovis, replying to Lowe, 2, #1151 of 2329 🔗

Good people don’t notice that kind of thing.

315382 ▶▶▶ OKUK, replying to Ovis, 2, #1152 of 2329 🔗

Edit suggestion: maybe replace “good people” with “insufferable virtue signallers”

315322 swedenborg, replying to swedenborg, 4, #1153 of 2329 🔗

Two postings as regards Europe and Sweden first and the seasonal wave. Sweden has made big mistakes. Keeping ridiculous SD measures during summer and increasing the mass testing. Not using HCQ/Ivermectin. Getting the European hysteria virus in Dec. But these mistakes are minor compared to other nations in Europe. Prof Giesecke said in April, “come back in a year’s time and compare deaths in Europe to see which has handled best the pandemic”. It seems 9 months is enough to see that all have handled it badly.

The only lucky ones Iceland, Norway and Finland had all very short and light LD and light SD but probably spared due to geographical isolation(so far).


“If we are conducting Europes biggest Epidemiology and Public Health Intervention “Study” or experiment right now.. where Sweden is the control group as many claims. What would you put in the Conclusion section of that paper?

315324 ▶▶ swedenborg, replying to swedenborg, #1154 of 2329 🔗


That makes sense. I made an updated version of the first vs second wave for Europe in general. Slovenia came out of nowhere after doing relatively well in the first wave

315433 ▶▶▶ Aslangeo, replying to swedenborg, 4, #1155 of 2329 🔗

What might well have happened is that countries who managed to reduce or suppress wave 1 had it a lot worse in the autumn. The classic example is the Czech Republic, and as you mentioned Slovakia, who basically had their epidemic late

the first wave countries have also had a diffferent curve in the second wave not the gompertz type curve associated with wave 1, longer and shallower, indicating a seasonal endemic response

the virus is here and need to find a way of living with it, something most governments have been pretty useless at

315533 ▶▶▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Aslangeo, #1156 of 2329 🔗

I met a UK businessman who was ‘trapped’ in Slovakia for some months, he says they went mask wearing mental from the start and had very little of the first wave at the time.

315700 ▶▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to swedenborg, #1157 of 2329 🔗

Great graph

315372 ▶▶ OKUK, replying to swedenborg, 4, #1158 of 2329 🔗

Brilliant! Powerful evidence that Sweden got it right. Pretty much the same level of fatalities everywhere but Sweden has not destroyed its economy its health service its education system, its family life or its culture.

I am puzzled by Norway and Finland. Iceland is basically all one very similar gene pool so they might have some genetic resistance. But Norway and Finland are very much connected to the rest of the world so their low rates are a puzzle.

315629 ▶▶▶ Muzz Off, replying to OKUK, 2, #1159 of 2329 🔗

There’s no puzzle. All covid statistics are more akin to statistical noise than genuine data. They are largely determined by national policies and procedures, with a healthy sprinkling of randomness. Trying to reason about why ‘rates’ are higher in one place than another or why they are going up or down is a waste of time.

315709 ▶▶▶▶ FenTyger, replying to Muzz Off, #1160 of 2329 🔗


315385 ▶▶ Tom Blackburn, replying to swedenborg, 4, #1161 of 2329 🔗

Sweden took a longitudinal approach and stuck with it. Apart from (initially) failing their care home residents, they have been mostly bob on.

315448 ▶▶ Ben, replying to swedenborg, 1, #1162 of 2329 🔗

Another one of these upward sweeping graphs that endorses the pro-lockdown narrative

315972 ▶▶▶ swedenborg, replying to Ben, 2, #1163 of 2329 🔗

On the contrary the graphs are clearly anti LD which are meaningless for a respiratory virus. Impossible to understand your argument.

315592 ▶▶ A. Contrarian, replying to swedenborg, 2, #1164 of 2329 🔗

The point for me is that Sweden haven’t done any worse than the countries that locked down tightly and criminalised normal human interaction. And their economy has done noticeably better.

315622 ▶▶▶ Ewan Duffy, replying to A. Contrarian, 2, #1165 of 2329 🔗

When you factor in the known knowns about Sweden that would make their outcome worse (greater proportion of eldery population in nursing homes/milder 18/19 flu season creating ‘dry tinder’ – a horrible term but accurate/African migration into the country bringing a population known to be Vitamin D deficient) on top of no lockdown, Sweden is coming out on top here.

315672 ▶▶▶ karenovirus, replying to A. Contrarian, 1, #1166 of 2329 🔗

Sweden total mortality for the past ten years.
Published in the main page LS 8th Dec.
What 2020 Pandemic ?

315325 richard riewer, replying to richard riewer, 2, #1167 of 2329 🔗

From the Vatican: Inclusive Capitalism.com.

315343 ▶▶ calchas, replying to richard riewer, 1, #1168 of 2329 🔗

Jesus wept.

315336 angry medical student, 12, #1169 of 2329 🔗

The account of the london protests made me sick to my stomach.

315342 George Mc, replying to George Mc, 4, #1170 of 2329 🔗

It’s so pathetically obvious that they are trying to ruin Christmas (to, like you know, protect people and save lives etc.) that I predict the Christmas TV viewing will consist of one thing every time you switch on:


315419 ▶▶ richard riewer, replying to George Mc, 3, #1171 of 2329 🔗

Download your favourite films, etc and boycott regular TV all around the country. A countrywide blackouit of ITV, BBC, SKY. Zero viewership. Show them what Zero will mean to them. That’ll teach ’em. Use Emule.

315524 ▶▶▶ karenovirus, replying to richard riewer, 1, #1172 of 2329 🔗

I’ve already got Zulu and The Great Escape on file plus some episodes of The Two Ronnies.

315568 ▶▶▶▶ Fingerache Philip., replying to karenovirus, 1, #1173 of 2329 🔗

I suggest TPTV, if only to see a normal world which I fear if this madness carries on much longer, people will begin to think that such a world never existed.

315572 ▶▶▶ Crystal Decanter, replying to richard riewer, 1, #1174 of 2329 🔗

Every season of South Park at the ready

315504 ▶▶ RickH, replying to George Mc, 2, #1175 of 2329 🔗

No – the objective isn’t that. It’s about psychological destabilisation, courrtesy the Goebbels/Mengele Foundation (SPI-B). If it wasn’t Christmas, it would be something else.

315584 ▶▶ A. Contrarian, replying to George Mc, 3, #1176 of 2329 🔗

I have no TV aerial, so haven’t watched live TV for years. Occasionally I watch something on catch up on Channel 4 and the first time I did so I was horrified at the level of propaganda, constant reminders of covid and govt information messages. They can’t even let people watch the telly in peace, no wonder most people want to be locked down forever.

315344 PoshPanic, replying to PoshPanic, 1, #1177 of 2329 🔗

Interview with Ferguson, March 11th, doing a report for his car dealership foundation.
Somebody should send this to Wancock and Dorres so they can see their favourite person talking about herd immunity.


315377 ▶▶ Tom Blackburn, replying to PoshPanic, 1, #1178 of 2329 🔗

“Draconian measures”

Cheeky fucker

315519 ▶▶ karenovirus, replying to PoshPanic, #1179 of 2329 🔗

8 month old comments still ringing true.

315352 dismalswamp, replying to dismalswamp, 20, #1180 of 2329 🔗

There are simply not enough assassinations in the UK. How can the likes of Johnson, Hancock, Whitty, Valanace, Ferguson and even Starmer be permitted to destroy so many lives with zero consequence nor repercussion? I am amazed that no-one has attempted to take any of these cretins out and send a strong message that we have been betrayed by tyrants. What a poor shadow of its former self Great Britain has become.

315413 ▶▶ richard riewer, replying to dismalswamp, 3, #1181 of 2329 🔗

Yeah. Where’s the Baader Meinhof when you really need them?

315482 ▶▶▶ Nigel Sherratt, replying to richard riewer, 2, #1182 of 2329 🔗

Commiting suicide in prison mostly.

315486 ▶▶▶ Fingerache Philip., replying to richard riewer, 1, #1183 of 2329 🔗

Angry brigade?

315507 ▶▶ RickH, replying to dismalswamp, 2, #1184 of 2329 🔗

It would play right into their hands. Remember – the previous Fear meme was ‘TERROR!’.

315510 ▶▶ karenovirus, replying to dismalswamp, 2, #1185 of 2329 🔗

Islamic Fundamentalists seem to be really scared of the Covid too.

315638 ▶▶▶ Cranmer, replying to karenovirus, 1, #1186 of 2329 🔗

Yes – they have been notably absent since this all started. You’d think any terrorist with half a brain would be making the most of the chaos.

315664 ▶▶▶▶ Country Mumkin, replying to Cranmer, 3, #1187 of 2329 🔗

I have only realised in the past few weeks that it is the US and UK governments that funded terrorists and instigated wars in many cases. So they don’t need terrorists and instability elsewhere, as they are concentrating on domestic terrorism.

I’m a bit behind the curve (naive until relatively recently). Perhaps you all knew this already, but I didn’t.

316061 ▶▶▶▶▶ cubby, replying to Country Mumkin, 1, #1188 of 2329 🔗

Agreed. Enough people claim Blair is a war criminal, but can anyone give me a single reason why Cameron and Macron decided to destroy Gadafi and thereby open the floodgates from Africa?

315353 theanalyst, replying to theanalyst, 24, #1189 of 2329 🔗

Worth pointing out that one of the main groups disadvantaged as a result of these draconian measures are, yet again, family orientated women. It is, at least in my experience, mainly women who put all their loving efforts into preparing for Xmas, buying presents and thinking about their loved ones. Why is no-one standing up to defend women more? I think Boris hates women, certainly he teats them like dirt.

315412 ▶▶ richard riewer, replying to theanalyst, 7, #1190 of 2329 🔗

Why aren’t women standing up to defend other women?

315635 ▶▶▶ Cranmer, replying to richard riewer, 5, #1191 of 2329 🔗

Why isn’t anyone standing up for anyone? I’m on the governing body of a certain sport at county level; at first I tried to encourage them in ways to get round the rules so that we could continue sporting activity, but they were almost horrified. They seem to have an unshakeable belief that every diktat is 100% good, necessary and right and that trying to ‘get round’ the rules is akin to encouraging the spread of disease. I’ve given up on them.

315836 ▶▶▶▶ Sam Vimes, replying to Cranmer, 1, #1192 of 2329 🔗

Worrying to think that many of their type have been voting for decades…

315475 ▶▶ Noumenon, replying to theanalyst, 3, #1193 of 2329 🔗

Nobody stands up to defend anyone anymore unless it means furthering some nefarious agenda.

The WEF Great Reset types couldn’t give a monkeys about family life anyway, they don’t believe in it.

315477 ▶▶ Nigel Sherratt, replying to theanalyst, 2, #1194 of 2329 🔗

Though they seem to like him.

315354 Uncle Monty, replying to Uncle Monty, 41, #1195 of 2329 🔗

Telegraph reporting that “New Covid variant could become dominant globally, says Sage expert”
Comment below said:
This is great news.
A more contagious yet less virulent strain means we can all catch it without fear of the worse effects of the “old strain”.
Additionally there will be no need for an expensive, untested, experimental vaccine.
It is clearly endemic and unhindered by social distancing or mask wearing, so we can forego those too.
Win, win, win!
Let it rip this Christmas!

315362 ▶▶ PoshPanic, replying to Uncle Monty, 3, #1196 of 2329 🔗

I think this is the idea. They won’t walk away from this though.

315383 ▶▶ Dan Clarke, replying to Uncle Monty, 6, #1197 of 2329 🔗

The weather outside is frightful,
but the fire is so delightful,
And since there’s no place to go,
Let it rip, let it rip, let it rip

315579 ▶▶▶ Cranmer, replying to Dan Clarke, 3, #1198 of 2329 🔗

The covid inside is frightful
But outside it’s delightful
Since there’s no place to go
Have your Christmas lunch in the snow

315442 ▶▶ Ben, replying to Uncle Monty, 1, #1199 of 2329 🔗

Telegraph has moved to the dark side. Defund SAGE

315444 ▶▶ stefarm, replying to Uncle Monty, 5, #1200 of 2329 🔗

It’s called the common cold

315473 ▶▶ Nigel Sherratt, replying to Uncle Monty, 1, #1201 of 2329 🔗

Be interesting if it can get into all the countries we’ve invaded over the years (only 22 we haven’t, 21 if you don’t count Sweden).

315505 ▶▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Nigel Sherratt, #1202 of 2329 🔗

19 if you don’t count Bolivia or Mongolia.

315497 ▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Uncle Monty, 4, #1203 of 2329 🔗

Biggish outside queue at a large Tesco this morning, moving forward almost at walking pace.
50-50 masked, no social distancing at all. People know in their hearts and minds it’s bollocks.

I expect there are many suppliers crying into their vats of unsold sanitizer because people aren’t using that very much either.

315601 ▶▶▶ Ewan Duffy, replying to karenovirus, 2, #1204 of 2329 🔗

In my dreams! Here in Dublin, when you exclude children, I am the only unmasked one in my local Tesco/Lidl.

Thankfully both stores have a policy of not challenging the unmasked so I have been left alone to breath freely.

315357 John Stone, replying to John Stone, 6, #1205 of 2329 🔗

Convergence or Data or Convergence of Interest (Horby, Ferguson, Boris Johnson)? – my article this morning. All roads lead to Bill & Melinda:

315408 ▶▶ richard riewer, replying to John Stone, 5, #1206 of 2329 🔗

This is getting too close to the bone. It could be deliberately planned as well. We are being manipulated on a grand scale. Time for a Revolt.

315465 ▶▶▶ John Stone, replying to richard riewer, 1, #1207 of 2329 🔗

I think it is down to the fine tuning. They wanted to put pressure on everyone to vaccinate and the next thing is they’ve succeeded in closing down the food supply. Did Horby, Ferguson and Hancock even think of that? Perhaps not although propelling us to global disintegration is all part of the wider scheme.

315513 ▶▶▶ RickH, replying to richard riewer, 1, #1208 of 2329 🔗

The inconvenient thing about ‘revolt’ is that you need to be sure to win, or you’re doubly screwed.

315358 NorthumbrianNomad, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, 23, #1209 of 2329 🔗

Ewan Birney, deputy director-general of the European Molecular Biology Laboratory: “Viruses when they jump, usually do two things. They end up mutating to transmit faster, and often to cause less disease. That’s the pathway to becoming an endemic virus.”

315517 ▶▶ RickH, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, 2, #1210 of 2329 🔗

… and let’s face it – even we non-specialists knew that one.

315574 ▶▶ A. Contrarian, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, 1, #1211 of 2329 🔗

It’s the usual story, they hype up the bad news (more transmissible) and ignore the good (less disease).

Lockdowns will of course favour the more transmissible variants, as these will get passed on more easily amidst all the isolation and social distancing bollox. So if lockdowns work, then it’s all the govt’s fault that this new variant has come about.

315365 richard riewer, replying to richard riewer, 7, #1212 of 2329 🔗

The U.N. has hired 110,000 people to censor narratives that question The Great Reset Agenda.

315376 ▶▶ Darryl, replying to richard riewer, 4, #1213 of 2329 🔗

Wouldn’t surprise me, the elite can recruit people to push through their agendas and obviously control the big media companies. Yet still many people still believe we have a democracy where every vote is equal.

315390 ▶▶ John Stone, replying to richard riewer, 4, #1214 of 2329 🔗

I asked the Cabinet Office about the Great Reset under FOI – they said they had nothing and referred me to the Treasury who have yet to answer, but I guess that was only four days ago. I also asked the Prime Minister through the No 10 porthole and he has not replied (by now over a month). The Prince of Wales declared his commitment back in June, which has constitutional ramifications. As to the UN the WEF are quite explicit about what they are up to, so it is ridiculous.

315576 ▶▶▶ TheOriginalBlackPudding, replying to John Stone, 1, #1215 of 2329 🔗

Try the Pope. He’s a good Catholic (allegedly) so he’ll have to answer you truthfully – if he doesn’t answer honestly he sins by commission, if he doesn’t answer you at all he sins by omission. Sorted! 🙂

315591 ▶▶▶ Ewan Duffy, replying to John Stone, 2, #1216 of 2329 🔗

“I also asked the Prime Minister through the No 10 porthole”

I suppose Boris is all at sea…….

315436 ▶▶ Ben, replying to richard riewer, 3, #1217 of 2329 🔗

All the respect I once held for the United Nations has disappeared

The Great Reset must be real. The WEF is in control and the UK is occupied by the WEF

315484 ▶▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Ben, 3, #1218 of 2329 🔗

UN has not been worthy of respect for at least 40 years since it became a forum for third world torturing kleptomaniacs to award each other jobs for the boys.
(Or in the case of Third Sector pedos, jobs with the boys).

315604 ▶▶▶▶ Darryl, replying to karenovirus, 2, #1219 of 2329 🔗

UN headquarters in New York is built on land donated by the Rockefeller family – hardly a good start for the organisation. Make yourself look like an institution influenced by the rich and powerful from day one. ‘Generous’ donations usually buy influence.

315642 ▶▶▶▶ richard riewer, replying to karenovirus, 3, #1220 of 2329 🔗

We are the World we are the Children did not pan out like all those pop singers and the public hoped it would.

315663 ▶▶ Peter Tabord, replying to richard riewer, 1, #1221 of 2329 🔗

The Nazis had no trouble hiring people for the Gestapo. But they were still scum, as are these 110,000.

315374 Charlie Blue, replying to Charlie Blue, 9, #1222 of 2329 🔗

Hooray! a 5pm clown show has been announced.

315378 ▶▶ Achilles, replying to Charlie Blue, 9, #1223 of 2329 🔗

Oh God. Just leave us alone for 5 minutes.

315388 ▶▶ DRW, replying to Charlie Blue, 12, #1224 of 2329 🔗

I swear another part of me dies every time I hear that.

315394 ▶▶▶ Charlie Blue, replying to DRW, 6, #1225 of 2329 🔗

I know what you mean. I think I’ve made progress by not actually watching them but I wish I just didn’t care. I can’t decide whether this will just be about the imports and they will save national tier 4 for boxing day, or go the whole hog today.

315411 ▶▶▶▶ Achilles, replying to Charlie Blue, 8, #1226 of 2329 🔗

Even if you’re a lockdown zealot surely you can’t justify the communication strategy and flip-flop approach which appears to be specifically designed to cause the utmost distress to their own people, most of whom have given them unconditional support? If I wanted to devise a strategy to cause the most suicides and mental health damage it would pretty much follow exactly what they have done.

315523 ▶▶▶▶ RickH, replying to Charlie Blue, 5, #1227 of 2329 🔗

We stopped watching in early April when the propaganda techniques became blindingly obvious – inflation, omission and distortion.

315569 ▶▶▶▶ A. Contrarian, replying to Charlie Blue, 2, #1228 of 2329 🔗

National Tier 4 = National Lockdown but without requiring a vote, which would NOT go down well with the rebel MPs!

Doubtless they will leave the IoW or Scilly Isles in Tier 3, so they can claim it’s not a national policy.

315431 ▶▶ Ben, replying to Charlie Blue, 4, #1229 of 2329 🔗

You mean Government psychological terrorism?

315441 ▶▶ Darryl, replying to Charlie Blue, 2, #1230 of 2329 🔗

I am surprised the dictators broadcasts aren’t simultaneously broadcast across all media, might as well go full totalitarian state.

315637 ▶▶▶ richard riewer, replying to Darryl, 1, #1231 of 2329 🔗

I’m sure that they are working on it this very minute.

315471 ▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Charlie Blue, 2, #1232 of 2329 🔗

17.05 all national broadcasters begin playing Enigma Variations on repeat ad nauseam with the test card as the only visual, what might that mean ?

315660 ▶▶▶ TheOriginalBlackPudding, replying to karenovirus, 2, #1233 of 2329 🔗

I knew things were bad when I woke up the other day convinced that we’d been subject to a military coup and was so disappointed to find it was all a dream.

315651 ▶▶ Peter Tabord, replying to Charlie Blue, 1, #1234 of 2329 🔗

It will be a circus – can we have some trapeze artists as well as the clowns and jugglers?

315667 ▶▶ Silke David, replying to Charlie Blue, 1, #1235 of 2329 🔗

But they have updated the dashboard at 4pm!
They do not usually do that.
Must be good news then….

315790 ▶▶ Salopian, replying to Charlie Blue, 1, #1236 of 2329 🔗

A puppet show more like: just need the crocodile to chase them off at the end

315380 Ricky R, replying to Ricky R, 9, #1237 of 2329 🔗

Press conference announced for this evening. What are the chances that it will be the announcement of nationwide tier 4 effective immediately?

315384 ▶▶ Achilles, replying to Ricky R, 17, #1238 of 2329 🔗

100%. 1500% according to Neil Ferguson.

315559 ▶▶▶ TheOriginalBlackPudding, replying to Achilles, 4, #1239 of 2329 🔗

His figure has been confirmed by Diane Abacus.

315391 ▶▶ Leemc23, replying to Ricky R, 4, #1240 of 2329 🔗

How nice. Another national lockdown.

315393 ▶▶ Achilles, replying to Ricky R, 4, #1241 of 2329 🔗

The problem they have to solve is the international ban but they can’t suddenly drop Tier 4 without losing all credibility with the masses. So I’m thinking whole country in lockdown to show EU we are taking it seriously but then a relatively swift relaxation in the New Year with some dodgy data to show lockdown dealt with the problem.

315426 ▶▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Achilles, #1242 of 2329 🔗

Sadly no, bozo will ‘permit’ our one day Xmas then tier 4-5 from 28th Dec to score one on hancock while submitting to the gnomes of SAGE.

The spoof of them in the main article is lengthy but, as Toby says, well worth reading in full.

315479 ▶▶▶▶ Alethea, replying to karenovirus, 1, #1243 of 2329 🔗

the author of that spoof is endearingly delighted by the uncanny plausibility of his own scientistic pastiche

315417 ▶▶ Barney McGrew, replying to Ricky R, 3, #1244 of 2329 🔗

I reckon it could also be masks when out anywhere in public…

315439 ▶▶▶ OKUK, replying to Barney McGrew, 7, #1245 of 2329 🔗

Well they can fuck off with that.

315447 ▶▶▶ Achilles, replying to Barney McGrew, 4, #1246 of 2329 🔗

Kill your first born? I mean is anything off the table now?

315458 ▶▶▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Achilles, #1247 of 2329 🔗

State abduction of sceptic newborn to be brought up by the state as good little zealots. It’s all in Himmlers handbook.

315463 ▶▶▶▶▶ richard riewer, replying to karenovirus, 1, #1248 of 2329 🔗

Himmler Handcock.

315470 ▶▶▶▶ richard riewer, replying to Achilles, 1, #1249 of 2329 🔗

Where have I heard this story before?

315566 ▶▶▶▶ A. Contrarian, replying to Achilles, 1, #1250 of 2329 🔗

I’d love a YouGov poll on this one.

Agree – 77%
Disagree – 3%
Don’t know – 20%

315608 ▶▶▶▶ kenadams, replying to Achilles, 1, #1251 of 2329 🔗

It would help with ‘climate change’.

315449 ▶▶▶ Lockdown_Lunacy, replying to Barney McGrew, 6, #1252 of 2329 🔗

At this stage I couldn’t care less, that only affects people who actually wear masks.

315488 ▶▶▶ Smelly Melly, replying to Barney McGrew, 3, #1253 of 2329 🔗

Will exemptions still be allowed?

315551 ▶▶▶ Cranmer, replying to Barney McGrew, 4, #1254 of 2329 🔗

If they are doing that without exemptions, presumably they would also have to repeal the 2010 Disability Discrimination Act. Bit tricky when Parliament has all fecked off for Christmas.

315446 ▶▶ Be Unshakeable, replying to Ricky R, 1, #1255 of 2329 🔗


315537 ▶▶ Tking, replying to Ricky R, 3, #1256 of 2329 🔗

I think 100%, so that’s why I am going for a meal out tonight, my last for a while I think, I really hope I am wrong.

315557 ▶▶ A. Contrarian, replying to Ricky R, 3, #1257 of 2329 🔗

It will be about the international travel bans I should think. But they might also use the opportunity to bump up a few tiers, or cancel Xmas altogether. Why not, when they’ve gone this far already?

315560 ▶▶ RickH, replying to Ricky R, 5, #1258 of 2329 🔗

… and what of the chances of questions that won’t be asked by the mock-journalists? :

  • How do you equate the average level of deaths for the time of year with the scare stories?
  • What evidence, apart from vague associations, do you have to show that this mutation is particularly dangerous? Senior academics are questioning the narrative.
  • Why is Neil Ferguson still advising government after his catalogue of whopping misjudgements?
  • … ditto Whitty, Van Tam and Vallence?
  • Is is good for credibility to employ advisors with close links to the pharmaceutical iindusty?
  • Do you think that contracts for protective equipment have been awarded on a sound basis?
  • Do you think that employing techniques of psychological manipulation is a proper way to govern?
  • Why is PCR testing widely used when it is known that it is not suited to diagnosis?


315562 ▶▶ Crystal Decanter, replying to Ricky R, 1, #1259 of 2329 🔗

Neil Ferguson is going to ban sex to stop Covid

315396 Leemc23, replying to Leemc23, 8, #1260 of 2329 🔗

Does this sound right.

On the A12 this morning an unmarked police car pulled over a single woman driver for the offence of having a car registered in tier 2 but driving through to work in tier 4.

I have heard this second hand and my reaction was “no way that’s true”. Firstly what legal right does an unmarked police car have to stop anyone ? What does anyone else think ?

315405 ▶▶ Two-Six, replying to Leemc23, 18, #1261 of 2329 🔗

stories about people getting stopped by the fuzz are going VIRAL right now. It’s al bollocks and all part of the Psy-op. Do what you want.

315429 ▶▶▶ Darryl, replying to Two-Six, 10, #1262 of 2329 🔗

Yes, they are simply gaining compliance through fear – their favourite tactic. It works well on the masses. Notice how quickly the posts like this spread – could it be because they are meant to.

315661 ▶▶▶ Norman, replying to Two-Six, #1263 of 2329 🔗

I think historically stopping a person at random with no reasonable excuse was unlawful. Few people though had enough legal knowledge to question police powers so they carried on pushing their luck.

The new Coronavirus Regs. may or may not say clearly that we must now submit to random testing. Anyone read them?

As we saw with that incident in Sainsbury’s in Hereford, police officers may not know the law now that it changes day to day.

315406 ▶▶ DocRC, replying to Leemc23, 6, #1264 of 2329 🔗

There is nothing in current law that permits this

315410 ▶▶ Lockdown_Lunacy, replying to Leemc23, 11, #1265 of 2329 🔗

I don’t believe these stories. I think they are a ruse to scare people into compliance.

Given the number of people who have to travel to or through tier 4 for “lawful” purposes I don’t believe this strategy would be practical at all.

315414 ▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Leemc23, #1266 of 2329 🔗

A12 is Essex ? Home of the second hand motor trade surely ?

315416 ▶▶ Two-Six, replying to Leemc23, 3, #1267 of 2329 🔗

Also in normal times at this time of the year drivers were very much nore likely to be stopped and drug and alcohol tested in the usual Christmas anti drink/drug driving campaigns. These schemes ran for two months from mid December into the new year. I haven’t heard much about this this year.
No need for it.

315420 ▶▶▶ Lockdown_Lunacy, replying to Two-Six, 2, #1268 of 2329 🔗

I think we might see more drink driving over the Christmas period this year with people wanting to visit family but being wary of taking taxis home…

315428 ▶▶▶▶ Two-Six, replying to Lockdown_Lunacy, 3, #1269 of 2329 🔗

very very likely. Still haven’t heard about any concerted drink driving campaigns

315435 ▶▶▶▶▶ Lockdown_Lunacy, replying to Two-Six, 2, #1270 of 2329 🔗

Me either. I guess they don’t want people to even consider driving anywhere a possibility, drunk or sober.

315644 ▶▶▶▶▶ TheOriginalBlackPudding, replying to Two-Six, 1, #1271 of 2329 🔗

PHE must have forgotten to sponsor the campaign this year. Distracted somehow, counting test results and fretting about the looming Brexit-induced super-resistant strain of the clap.

315432 ▶▶▶▶ Poppy, replying to Lockdown_Lunacy, 6, #1272 of 2329 🔗

The ludicrous one-day Christmas window also makes it very difficult for those who want a drink on Xmas day to drive home afterwards on the same day.

315453 ▶▶▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Lockdown_Lunacy, 3, #1273 of 2329 🔗

You have twenty four hours to visit mum and dad 200 miles away at their retirement bungalow.
Set off 00.01 Xmas day morning, return by 23.59 Xmas night.
No drinkies for you this year.

315462 ▶▶▶▶▶ Lockdown_Lunacy, replying to karenovirus, 8, #1274 of 2329 🔗

Be sensible. Don’t be a selfish covidiot. Have 10 pints then head back. That’s safer than risking being there until 00.01 on boxing day when the coroni comes out again… right?

315459 ▶▶▶▶ Noumenon, replying to Lockdown_Lunacy, 3, #1275 of 2329 🔗

That and the fact alcohol consumption is up anyway.

315636 ▶▶▶▶ TheOriginalBlackPudding, replying to Lockdown_Lunacy, 1, #1276 of 2329 🔗

I’d avoid driving out-of-tier on Boxing Day morning. I suspect that Plod might be using the morning after the night before breathalyser excuse to stop people.

315425 ▶▶ Ben, replying to Leemc23, 4, #1277 of 2329 🔗

Follow Simon Dolan’s Twitter account. Apparently, Police Federation have no powers to stop people travelling re Christmas

I shall laugh out loud in the future, should any MP use East Berlin as an ideology to be fearful of

315556 ▶▶▶ Crystal Decanter, replying to Ben, 3, #1278 of 2329 🔗

Just lie
It is so easy
Why would you tell the Rozzers the truth??

315434 ▶▶ Eddy, replying to Leemc23, 3, #1279 of 2329 🔗

It’s a lie

315508 ▶▶▶ Leemc23, replying to Eddy, 4, #1280 of 2329 🔗

My reaction was that it can’t possibly be true and if it was, there must be more behind the stop.

I need to drive from a tier 2 to tier 4 tomorrow, joy….

315532 ▶▶▶▶ Lockdown_Lunacy, replying to Leemc23, 8, #1281 of 2329 🔗

My wife does it every day for work. I do it to visit my Dad. My Dad does it to use the wonderful array of services available in tier 2. I’ll be doing it on Wednesday to pick up my Turkey!

The motorways are reasonably busy. Don’t sweat it, the enforcement is a myth, just like masks in the shops.

315545 ▶▶▶▶▶ Cranmer, replying to Lockdown_Lunacy, 4, #1282 of 2329 🔗

If it’s any consolation, throughout all the lockdown and tiers nonsense I have driven (as well as walked and cycled) over vast swathes of England and have never seen a single police roadblock or checkpoint on any road, high or low.

315552 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Lockdown_Lunacy, replying to Cranmer, 3, #1283 of 2329 🔗

Same here, approx 15,000 trouble free miles completed so far this year!

315440 ▶▶ mjr, replying to Leemc23, 3, #1284 of 2329 🔗

police will have the ANPR switched on checking for uninsured / untaxed or otherwise flagged vehicles as standard and will follow up if a specific vehicle shows a hit. if they do stop a vehicle because of a hit then they will ask for details and it may come up then in conversation.

315536 ▶▶ Cranmer, replying to Leemc23, 4, #1285 of 2329 🔗

Sounds like rubbish. Travelling to work is exempt from tier restrictions. I’m pretty sure a police officer can’t compel a road user to stop unless he or she is in full uniform and/or a marked car anyway. (Not sure about those ones that are unmarked but have a blue light hidden behind the grille).

315550 ▶▶ Crystal Decanter, replying to Leemc23, 2, #1286 of 2329 🔗

Why would any claim to be anything other than a key worker?
Idiots deserve it

315602 ▶▶ kenadams, replying to Leemc23, 3, #1287 of 2329 🔗

Yeah, I live near the A12 and I don’t believe this. I’ve been driving about loads all throughout all the LDs and there’s never been even the hint of cops stopping people. There are far too many cars on the road for starters, it’s not that far off normal traffic levels still.

315721 ▶▶ Lowe, replying to Leemc23, #1288 of 2329 🔗

Had a visitor this afternoon who said it had happened to his daughter, travelling from tier 3 (Cleveland) to her work in tier 2 (North Yorkshire). She was followed by a “plain clothes” police car (my terminology for an unmarked police car) and then pulled over; threatened with £200 fine unless had a good excuse; having to phone work to confirm her story.

Off topic: The visitor came to bring Xmas presents, wearing a mask – my heart sank. Originally visitor not going to come inside but leave gifts on door step. Persuaded to come inside. Stood inside chatting by back door for 40 minutes. Eventually persuaded to come inside properly and sit down for some tea and a piece of ginger cake. Took mask off. Left after 90 minutes! A small victory for human sociability and being sensible! Though sadly the visitor will still have the vaccine and believes schools should be shut…

315759 ▶▶▶ Lockdown_Lunacy, replying to Lowe, #1289 of 2329 🔗

Travelling from 3 to 2 is not even verboten as far as I’m aware, so I’d question the validity of any fine. But I have heard that North Yorks Police have lost the plot.

315863 ▶▶▶▶ Sam Vimes, replying to Lockdown_Lunacy, #1290 of 2329 🔗

Yeah, I’m tired of keep looking things up, can’t be arsed right now, but the Tier laws are mostly about ‘gathering’ rather than travel, aren’t they?

315841 ▶▶ RichardJames, replying to Leemc23, #1291 of 2329 🔗

Any car may be stopped by any UNIFORMED police officer for any reason, or no reason. The only requirement is that the officer MUST in uniform. The vehicle is irrelevant, likewise the reason.

They are still filth, however.

315423 Eddy, replying to Eddy, 8, #1292 of 2329 🔗

Good to see London getting locked down for a change.

We MIGHT see some fcking action now.

315443 ▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Eddy, 3, #1293 of 2329 🔗

Sadly I have to agree with you Eddy, all those metropolitan comfortably WFH types being inconvenienced for once.

315450 ▶▶▶ Darryl, replying to karenovirus, 16, #1294 of 2329 🔗

I am sure many of the metropolitan elite escaped last week to their second homes in the west country or abroad. The well connected are usually complete hypocrites but not stupid, the poorest will feel all the pain.

315531 ▶▶▶▶ Tom Blackburn, replying to Darryl, 4, #1295 of 2329 🔗

Exactly. The people getting on trains were both bedwetters (trying desperately trying to stick to the rules) and – by their reckoning – Covidiots. Just goes to show the level of hypocrisy on show at the moment.

315625 ▶▶▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Darryl, 1, #1296 of 2329 🔗

Like the wealthy Jews who escaped nazi Germany leaving the poor ones to the camps, sad but true.

315632 ▶▶▶▶ Dave Angel Eco Warrier, replying to Darryl, 2, #1297 of 2329 🔗

The vast majority in London are not the metropolitan elite.

315756 ▶▶▶▶▶ Darryl, replying to Dave Angel Eco Warrier, 1, #1298 of 2329 🔗

The ones who have the influence and power are unfortunately the ones usually enjoying their virtue signalling lockdown and escaping. I would love to see them trade places with the people living in small flats and shared houses.

315495 ▶▶ David Grimbleby, replying to Eddy, 3, #1299 of 2329 🔗

The North shall rise again…

315501 ▶▶▶ PompeyJunglist, replying to David Grimbleby, #1300 of 2329 🔗

Not in 10,000 years.

315530 ▶▶ A. Contrarian, replying to Eddy, 7, #1301 of 2329 🔗

You’re barking up the wrong tree. Most of them love it. They were mostly working from home anyway and are quite happy to continue. The people who matter to the government, anyway. They’re not fussed about the self employed.

And where I live in the home counties commuter belt, it’s even worse. Hardly anyone on my street has left the house to go to work since March. They are enjoying their virtue signalling, mask wearing and banana bread baking far too much. And this new variant is terrible, we must carry on locking down, and just think of all that money they’re saving on the commute!

It’s academic anyway, I think we will all be in Tier 3 or 4, if not completely locked down, by the start of 2021.

315627 ▶▶▶ karenovirus, replying to A. Contrarian, 2, #1302 of 2329 🔗

Tier 4 nationwide, Dec 28th.

315869 ▶▶▶▶ Sam Vimes, replying to karenovirus, 1, #1303 of 2329 🔗

Naah, just after Queen’s message on Christmas Day.

316212 ▶▶▶▶▶ dhid, replying to Sam Vimes, 1, #1304 of 2329 🔗

Might be IN the Queen’s message, will have to check the lip syncing just in case.

315546 ▶▶ Crystal Decanter, replying to Eddy, 4, #1305 of 2329 🔗

it is an assault on the working class by the work from home class
they love it.
On the plus side Pret-a-Manger is down the shitter so hopefully all of their limousine liberal comforts will follow suite

315553 ▶▶ stevie, replying to Eddy, 1, #1306 of 2329 🔗

Yes then switch it around. Divide and rule. Rinse and repeat.

315631 ▶▶ Dave Angel Eco Warrier, replying to Eddy, 3, #1307 of 2329 🔗

I wouldn’t bank on it. London has been more or less a ghost town since the last first lockdown. Media pictures of a few busy areas in the West End and various protests do not reflect that the place is a shadow of its former self. Many cafes, restaurants and pubs have been shut since March, many never to re-open.

315438 karenovirus, replying to karenovirus, 2, #1308 of 2329 🔗

I’m currently giving the Covid safe NHS a field test.
I have to wait by the phone from 2pm to 6pm for a ‘telephone consultation’ so my GP can prescribe the usual antibiotics for my biannual chesty cough.

It is now 15.07. and waiting.

315445 ▶▶ Eddy, replying to karenovirus, 2, #1309 of 2329 🔗

Ask him/her/it how much they get for pushing the covax.

315469 ▶▶▶ DocRC, replying to Eddy, 3, #1310 of 2329 🔗

£12.63 a pop

315544 ▶▶▶▶ TheOriginalBlackPudding, replying to DocRC, 2, #1311 of 2329 🔗

But payment is made only upon completion of the course of two injections. So if you want to beggar things up (and are not risk-averse) just take the first shot and leave your GP out of pocket. 🙂

315618 ▶▶▶▶ karenovirus, replying to DocRC, #1312 of 2329 🔗

16.12 still waiting by the phone.

315460 ▶▶ KBuchanan, replying to karenovirus, 3, #1313 of 2329 🔗

Well dey is strordinarily bizzy , apparently 😆 lol

315467 ▶▶▶ Two-Six, replying to KBuchanan, 3, #1314 of 2329 🔗

In dees inpressidented times, chiz chiz

315525 ▶▶ A. Contrarian, replying to karenovirus, 10, #1315 of 2329 🔗

And if you move away from your phone for one second and miss the call… They will NOT forgive you, and will punish you by refusing to put you back on the call list. Because you’re a pleb, and have nothing better to do than sit by your phone for 4 hours straight waiting for a phone call from the Hero Gods of the NHS.

315845 ▶▶ FenTyger, replying to karenovirus, 1, #1316 of 2329 🔗

From experience it will be about 19:30….

316706 ▶▶▶ karenovirus, replying to FenTyger, #1317 of 2329 🔗

It came at 17.15 so not bad.

315456 richard riewer, replying to richard riewer, 1, #1318 of 2329 🔗

Tell Ping to pong himself.

315478 ▶▶ OKUK, replying to richard riewer, 1, #1319 of 2329 🔗

What about Whiff and Whaff?

315472 Thomas_E, replying to Thomas_E, 36, #1320 of 2329 🔗

I was on the train this morning and literally everybody was staring at me. I do this every morning since March and today it was worst than ever. It was like a leaper has just walked on the train, very spooky. Same around Borough Market, they have closed all Pret’s down bar one ( very weird). It feels like a funeral. What would normally be a Market heaving from people is now deserted.

I have 2 more days of work and then I’m off thank god. I now have no friends who are even remotely sceptic. U post some of Mabel Cows posters on my Instagram and one of my oldest friends called a crazy person. I feel completely isolated and so far have not met anybody who is a sceptic. I went to a big Sainsburys on Saturday and was the only person without a mask again. People were literally jumping away from me and turning toward the fridges, some even put their hands over their masked faces. I don’t give a shit but this county is gone and will never come back. And to top it all of I got a call from my parents who live abroad checking if I’m ok as this mutant virus kills everything in it’s path. When I told her that this is all BS , she got upset and told me that her and my father have not left the house since September. I give up, we live in End times now for real..

315493 ▶▶ Tiberius, replying to Thomas_E, 11, #1321 of 2329 🔗

Courage, mon fils.

315494 ▶▶ Dan Clarke, replying to Thomas_E, 9, #1322 of 2329 🔗

You should read the comments on the DM, plenty of msm sceptics there

315498 ▶▶ Country Mumkin, replying to Thomas_E, 7, #1323 of 2329 🔗

I really feel for you. I can really imagine how isolating these experiences are. I’m sorry to hear there is no-one you know who is sceptic. I found out about these people the other day. It may be worth a try; there’s lots of hubs in London.


315521 ▶▶ Cranmer, replying to Thomas_E, 8, #1324 of 2329 🔗

Sorry to hear this. I am lucky in that my other half is an ardent sceptic. Apart from her I don’t have any sceptical friends except one, and he lives about 200 miles away. Local friends are at best what I call ‘half sceptics’ – they think the lockdowns are an over-reaction but temporary and necessary. I’d recommend trying to make friends with sceptics in your area if possible.

315522 ▶▶ Templeton, replying to Thomas_E, 5, #1325 of 2329 🔗

There are local sceptic groups out there. I found one local to me on KBF forums having had very simlar feelings of “thought isolation”.
Reach out, there are more of us than you think!

315578 ▶▶ BTLnewbie, replying to Thomas_E, 11, #1326 of 2329 🔗

Thomas, do you wear an ‘I am exempt from wearing a face covering’ lanyard.

I find mine gives me the strength to walk tall in the few shops/post offices I am forced to visit. It is clear the wearing a mask would cause you mental distress (as it would me) and that is sufficient reason not to wear one.

315615 ▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Thomas_E, 6, #1327 of 2329 🔗

I think you must be unlucky Thomas, about half the many people I talk to reveal themselves to be sceptic to one degree or another though, sadly, most remain compliant.

315616 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to Thomas_E, 3, #1328 of 2329 🔗

That’s awful. Such is the power of the mask

315628 ▶▶ sam, replying to Thomas_E, 7, #1329 of 2329 🔗

dont giv e up tom try calling friends you havent seen in years[ im going to do that ] or talking carefully of course to strangers i foudn out so far 2 delivery people [ strangers ] who have to wear a mask for work ] are like us agaisnt it all wont get that vaccine never get the flu vaccine

people like us are out there. me too have lost friends ove r this or cant talk about it wiht them but no way will i ever give up or give in. my list is growing of fellow scpetics finding out they were also sceptics all along just we didnt know we felt same way .

i jsut found a store will let you shop wihtout a mask im going around to stores saying i want to patronize stores where i can shop without a mask so far 1 out of 2 a yes !

sorry typos woudl tkae me about 4 hours to type with no ne

315640 ▶▶ Peter Tabord, replying to Thomas_E, 3, #1330 of 2329 🔗

There are places where the vast majority of people are sceptical, but I’m not going to name them in case they get put in to tier 4 as punishment.

315691 ▶▶ calchas, replying to Thomas_E, 3, #1331 of 2329 🔗

You will have the last laugh Thomas.

315738 ▶▶ Tom in Scotland, replying to Thomas_E, 2, #1332 of 2329 🔗

Sorry to hear this. From one doubting Thomas to another, please hang in there. You have plenty of friends here.

315896 ▶▶▶ TomFaz, replying to Tom in Scotland, 1, #1333 of 2329 🔗

Well said. Our namesakes in Sweden are celebrating – today is the namnsdag “name day” for Tomas so join me and raise a glass to us all!

316055 ▶▶▶▶ Tom in Scotland, replying to TomFaz, 2, #1334 of 2329 🔗

Aha! Yes, I vaguely remember this from my Minnesota upbringing and Swedish stepfather. Tack så mycket! Skål!

316027 ▶▶ cubby, replying to Thomas_E, 4, #1335 of 2329 🔗

It’s NOT just the UK. I live in the south of Spain and we have crazy covid regulations. Everyone MUST wear a mask in the street. Restaurants can open from 1pm until 6pm, must then close until 8.30 pm and close at 11. We are now allowed to travel but not outside Andalucia. Police roadblocks are quite a common occurrence. The world’s gone mad but Boris, I must admit, seems really bonkers.

315476 OKUK, replying to OKUK, 18, #1336 of 2329 🔗

Soon after the 2016 EU referendum, going into 2017 in 2018 I noticed there was what appeared a very deliberate campaign within the media, especially the BBC, to undermine peoples self-confidence. There were numerous programs that suddenly appeared especially on radio encouraging people to call into question their perceptions and their judgement and also arguing
people must always accept expert advice.

At the same time we saw a huge rise in mental health “confessionals” and publicity about mental health conditions. It seemed to go beyond normalising mental health issues and rather attempting to persuade everyone that they should be having feelings of anxiety, lack of self-worth and inability to see a way forward. You were suspiciously abnormal if you claimed to be free of mental illness.

There is no doubt in my mind that there have been deliberate policies pursued to undermine people’s self-confidence, with a view to stemming the tide of populism.

Whether it is connected to the Covid crisis or whether that is coincidental I do not know but people do become susceptible to hysteria if you sow within them so many seeds of self-doubt.

Globalists want you anxious and insecure,

315527 ▶▶ Country Mumkin, replying to OKUK, 2, #1337 of 2329 🔗

I think the BBC is very good at seeding thought. I heard two programmes about the immorality of borrowing recently

1. 4 religious leaders from different faiths all talking about how their faiths frowned on living outside your means
2. Mark Carney on the Reith lectures about borrowing and the immorality of it (that’s what I took from it although it was very intellectualised and a bit hard to listen too). Lots of high level people in the “audience” asking just the right questions. Worth a listen to it.

CM x

315649 ▶▶▶ calchas, replying to Country Mumkin, 1, #1338 of 2329 🔗

A career banker talks about the ‘immorality of borrowing’?

It’s like a prostitute moralizing and shouting at a customer to go home to his wife.

There is nothing wrong with borrowing, as long as both borrower and lender and lender enter freely into contract.

What is immoral Mr Carney is when the bankers are rescued, at the cost of the public purse, from bad loans they have made.

315543 ▶▶ Bugle, replying to OKUK, 4, #1339 of 2329 🔗

“Globalists want you anxious and insecure” so they can sell you drugs. If you happen to protest or dissent from their manufactured consensus, they can also claim you are mentally ill.

315605 ▶▶ karenovirus, replying to OKUK, 4, #1340 of 2329 🔗

The BBC are also starting to promote ‘one family one baby’, especially on Womans Hour.

315633 ▶▶▶ Yawnyaman, replying to karenovirus, 4, #1341 of 2329 🔗

Neither of my sons know a single person in their 18 to 24 generation who watches or listens to them

315657 ▶▶▶▶ calchas, replying to Yawnyaman, 1, #1342 of 2329 🔗

Good – great to hear.

315727 ▶▶▶▶ mjr, replying to Yawnyaman, 1, #1343 of 2329 🔗

which is a laugh as their whole output is geared towards attracting this age group whilst they ignore their current demographic who still listen

316007 ▶▶▶▶ cubby, replying to Yawnyaman, 1, #1344 of 2329 🔗

So where are they getting their propaganda from? I only ask because the young often seem the most compliant vis a vis facemasks.

315655 ▶▶▶ calchas, replying to karenovirus, 2, #1345 of 2329 🔗

Now that is interesting.

Oh really!

315677 ▶▶▶ kenadams, replying to karenovirus, 1, #1346 of 2329 🔗

That will work out well. How exactly will my generations’ pension be paid?

315480 Ceci, 24, #1347 of 2329 🔗

Breaking News

Former members of East German Stasi to sue

A lawyer in Germany has filed papers in a German Court alleging defamation and slander

The lawyer said ‘My clients are former members of the Stasi. They are deeply offended and hurt by articles and comments comparing them with the British Police. My clients deny they ever attacked and beat up defenceless women in the street

He added ‘There is not one single recorded incident of my clients hitting peaceful passive women with long batons’

The case is expected to be heard early next year

315483 p02099003, 5, #1348 of 2329 🔗

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b-orz2zNJy0 I’ll leave it to you to decide on this.
These are the words (vomit bags optional)
For us it was different,
to work we must go.
Keep alive the public,
that was our purpose,
so many staff dead,
were our sacrifices worth it?
There’s 1000’s of staff with mental health to address.

All that we ask is responsibility is taken,
our efforts acknowledged,
because lives we have saved them.
We have been used,
like pawns on a board,
slapped in the face,
by politicians ignored.
Scrutinised by those,
watching from above.
Protect the NHS?
Yet they didn’t protect us.
Heroes don’t wear capes,
politicians told us lies,
on our screen to show us them clapping,
while another essential worker dies.
Privatisation for gains,
risking lives for profit,
it won’t survive much more,
that’s why we need to stop it.

Nationalised healthcare,
built for us all,
deceive to dismantle,
now watch the NHS fall.

So here,
take my hand,
you don’t have to do this alone.
To my NHS family,
me and the public have your back.
Hand in hand we will walk together,
until your mental health is back on track.

That weight of the world,
we will all share the load,
both the public and politicians know exactly what you’re owed.

We can never understand completely,
the predicament you’re in.
Yes you deserve a pay rise,
we are all rooting for you to win.

There is so much strength in numbers,
we all know that is true,
this year could have been so much worse if it wasn’t for all of you.
Here’s to the public,
all that food that kept us fed.
Your claps and rainbows spurred us on,
tears of joy, for some tears from fear,
regardless of our feelings,
it was nice to hear those cheers.
With claps and passion,
knowledge and cheer,
you just want compassion,
for your sacrifices and tears.
To the NHS heroes,
we remain right by your side.
Ahead are brighter tomorrows,
our love for you is nationwide.
3 second break
The NHS has proved,
a lifeline for many,
so support our 15% pay rise,
for a general strike,
we are ready.

315485 calchas, replying to calchas, 7, #1349 of 2329 🔗

On the 24th May Tobias Ellwood tweeted:

“GOVERNMENT is entering the most complex phase of biggest emergency since WW2.”


“biggest emergency since WW2”

What was he talking about?

315512 ▶▶ Be Unshakeable, replying to calchas, 3, #1350 of 2329 🔗

“You went full retard. Never go full retard.”

315514 ▶▶ Bugle, replying to calchas, 4, #1351 of 2329 🔗

So he got over his 27 for dinner party then.

315567 ▶▶ Dan Clarke, replying to calchas, 2, #1352 of 2329 🔗

Are they fooling the enemy, nothing is what it seems

315598 ▶▶ karenovirus, replying to calchas, #1353 of 2329 🔗

Toadying up to bozo’s Churchillian fantasy.

315695 ▶▶ TheBluePill, replying to calchas, 3, #1354 of 2329 🔗

It is the biggest emergency since WW2. He just doesn’t realise that he is part of the axis of evil. What a fucking tool.

315489 Tiberius, replying to Tiberius, 16, #1355 of 2329 🔗

The new strain has been discovered in Oz. I can’t wait for Saint Jacinda’s reaction when it spoils her tea party.

315511 ▶▶ A. Contrarian, replying to Tiberius, 12, #1356 of 2329 🔗

So it’s got as far as the other side of the world – but Hancock thinks he can keep it in London…

315516 ▶▶▶ Leemc23, replying to A. Contrarian, 9, #1357 of 2329 🔗

Lol. Hancock’s Half Hour.

315703 ▶▶▶▶ Cranmer, replying to Leemc23, #1358 of 2329 🔗

‘The SPAD himself!’

315538 ▶▶ Peter, replying to Tiberius, 6, #1359 of 2329 🔗

Perhaps the ultimate proof that total lockdowns, border closures and all other methods the SDs put in place don’t work.

Time to let natural selection run its course, oh wait, that’s not the plan for us all is it.

315594 ▶▶ kenadams, replying to Tiberius, 6, #1360 of 2329 🔗

Although I don’t wish anything on the people, I can’t wait until NZ falls just to see Saint Jacinda’s reaction to it. And the MSM trying to spin it into a positive story somehow.

315610 ▶▶ guy153, replying to Tiberius, #1361 of 2329 🔗

If it definitely our new strain? They had another little mutation over there everyone was getting briefly excited about.

315614 ▶▶ Crystal Decanter, replying to Tiberius, 5, #1362 of 2329 🔗

Let it rip through NZ just to wipe the nosebag off her horse face

315490 Achilles, replying to Achilles, 33, #1363 of 2329 🔗

Waiting for the 5pm conference is like waiting for an abusive parent to get home and hoping they’re in a good mood and not a bad one.

315502 ▶▶ Poppy, replying to Achilles, 24, #1364 of 2329 🔗

Don’t wait for it. That’s exactly what they want you to do; be sat in front of the TV waiting for the them to hand down their latest holy diktats. Carry on with life. I always time my afternoon runs with the clown conference and dash through the centre of town amidst as many people as possible.

315529 ▶▶▶ Achilles, replying to Poppy, 14, #1365 of 2329 🔗

It’s good advice and actually I haven’t seen one yet but of course we all inevitably find out the result. We also never watch the news any more but sometimes the Telescreen is left on by mistake and if we hear the thud thud of a news programme starting the panic and speed with which we clamber over the furniture to get to the remote is a sight to behold. If I don’t make it in time I sing over it until I can find the remote and turn over. And no, I’m not joking.

315702 ▶▶▶▶ Cranmer, replying to Achilles, 3, #1366 of 2329 🔗

I always mute the news bulletins and ad breaks on Talk Radio when I am listening in the car.

315581 ▶▶▶ Hubes, replying to Poppy, 7, #1367 of 2329 🔗

Spot on Poppy. I haven’t watched one briefing or any news all year. There is no point.

315509 ▶▶ Ben, replying to Achilles, 16, #1368 of 2329 🔗

It’s not a briefing, it’s perpetuated mental assault by government. We are being threatened

315515 ▶▶ Leemc23, replying to Achilles, 5, #1369 of 2329 🔗

Don’t even give them the viewing figures. Put on a nice Christmas song and ignore them. There is nothing else they can do to you now

315540 ▶▶▶ alw, replying to Leemc23, 6, #1370 of 2329 🔗

Will be opening a bottle of something and enjoying life. The best news will be Hancock, Gove, Shapps, Johnson et al confined permanently to the Tower.

315624 ▶▶▶▶ Sue, replying to alw, 2, #1371 of 2329 🔗

Best news is they all resign. Actually i would not be surprised if in a month or so when johnson has completely fucked the country up he quits, and let some other bugger fix the mess

315697 ▶▶▶ Cranmer, replying to Leemc23, 2, #1372 of 2329 🔗

Yep. They can’t really increase lockdown now without a rapid destruction of the economy, and they can’t enforce anything more strongly now unless they impose martial law or swear in thousands of special constables as was done in the General Strike. Just ignore them.

315563 ▶▶ Ceci, replying to Achilles, 8, #1373 of 2329 🔗

I never watch this shite

315593 ▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Achilles, 6, #1374 of 2329 🔗

I haven’t looked at a single one since seeing the first three part slogan
Stay Home – Save Lives – Protect the NHS.
Straight out of the Goebbels propaganda handbook.
‘Ein Volk- Ein Reich – Ein Furhrer’

315682 ▶▶▶ Tiberius, replying to karenovirus, 3, #1375 of 2329 🔗

Some of you may have seen Douglas Murray’s piece in the Speccy recently, where he said he’s been told by one of his uni tutors that you should not make a statement, the opposite of which would only be said by a lunatic. So:

  • kein Volk – kein Reich – kein Fuehrer
  • Stay out – Kill people – Dissolve the NHS


315693 ▶▶▶▶ Cranmer, replying to Tiberius, #1376 of 2329 🔗

White Lives Matter.

315653 ▶▶ leggy, replying to Achilles, 3, #1377 of 2329 🔗

Fuck that. I’m in the pub having a substantial sausage (oo-er).

315679 ▶▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to leggy, 1, #1378 of 2329 🔗

Scotch eggs all sold out?

315520 dhid, replying to dhid, 4, #1379 of 2329 🔗

I may have missed this, but was there ever an explanation as to what happened with the ‘edit’ button on the comments here the other day, when it stopped working?

As I have had a thread from yesterday, which I posted about earlier, that ‘disappeared’ and ‘reappeared’ with the posts of one ID completely missing and making it look as if I had been rude to others (including myself!) – I did wonder if the site has/is being hacked?

Reading the thread I started yesterday now, as it is now, it is clearly utter nonsense and makes no sense and suggests that many of my replies were to someone else.

I imagine some will think me desperate or bonkers (or both) but this IS bothering me, and I really would like an official site admin response.

If it was moderated in some way it would be ridiculous to have done it like it is now.

315573 ▶▶ JohnBowen, replying to dhid, -13, #1380 of 2329 🔗

LS is being monitored using Solarwinds and was affected by the hack that affected lots of companies and government institutions worldwide. As such, if you visited LS after the 17th December 2020 i t should be assumed that your computer has been be compromised. The lack of ‘Edit’ button is due to malware installed on your computer, and once rebuilt with a new operating system the ‘Edit’ button will re-appear and work again.

315589 ▶▶▶ dhid, replying to JohnBowen, 6, #1381 of 2329 🔗

You are a troll – in fact as a former IT engineer myself you chose the wrong person to BULLSHIT!

What you have stated is utter crap, as indeed are you.

315596 ▶▶▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to dhid, 3, #1382 of 2329 🔗

You didn’t pick up on the sarcasm there?

315597 ▶▶▶▶▶ dhid, replying to BeBopRockSteady, #1383 of 2329 🔗

No I didn’t – if that is what it was…….

315599 ▶▶▶▶ JohnBowen, replying to dhid, #1384 of 2329 🔗

Have a day off mate! Hahaha!

315603 ▶▶▶▶▶ dhid, replying to JohnBowen, #1385 of 2329 🔗

Perhaps you would oblige us all and have the rest of your life off.
Quite soon.

315609 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ JohnBowen, replying to dhid, -2, #1386 of 2329 🔗

Got the big fish here, gonna need some help reeling it in!

315612 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ dhid, replying to JohnBowen, #1387 of 2329 🔗

Your time will come.

315613 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ JohnBowen, replying to dhid, -1, #1388 of 2329 🔗

Just add me to the list mate.

315630 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ dhid, replying to JohnBowen, #1389 of 2329 🔗

You’ve been on it quite a while – didn’t you know?

315713 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ JohnBowen, replying to dhid, -1, #1390 of 2329 🔗

I’ve been on here since LS started, I’ll be on many lists now so what does one more matter?

315728 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to JohnBowen, -1, #1391 of 2329 🔗

Earliest quote on here gets to keep ‘JohnB’ – deal ?

Or don’t 77 work that way ?

315730 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ JohnBowen, replying to JohnB, -2, #1392 of 2329 🔗

We don’t do deals mate

315828 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to JohnBowen, -2, #1393 of 2329 🔗

A shame. Start with attacking the civilian population, then move on to being a twat for no reason.

315838 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ JohnBowen, replying to JohnB, -3, #1394 of 2329 🔗

Makes us feel big mate

315733 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to JohnB, -1, #1395 of 2329 🔗

I suppose it’s the ‘flak once over the target’ concept.

Mark, were you ever able to sort out the other Mark ?

315855 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Mark, replying to JohnB, -1, #1396 of 2329 🔗

No, but he hasn’t posted here for a while (though I’ve been absent for a few days myself so he might have posted again this week I suppose). Fwiw, I don’t think he was intentionally misrepresenting himself.

316092 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to Mark, -1, #1397 of 2329 🔗

No, perhaps not. He did ignore your request to rebrand himself though.

I’d change mine, but people might not find their daily fix of adolescent humour. 🙂

315749 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ dhid, replying to JohnBowen, -2, #1398 of 2329 🔗

Who said I meant a list?

Look out for the laser dot eh?

315777 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ JohnBowen, replying to dhid, -2, #1399 of 2329 🔗

It’s nice that they let you out of your institution in Bournemouth to shoot people.

315966 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ dhid, replying to JohnBowen, #1400 of 2329 🔗

What on earth are you talking about?

Chimps can be amused for hours with a laser pointer.

Are you still in your cage?

315686 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ tonyspurs, replying to JohnBowen, 2, #1401 of 2329 🔗

Don’t tell him Pike!!!!

315720 ▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to JohnBowen, -2, #1402 of 2329 🔗

And please find another name to use ! I’ve asked nicely several times …

315725 ▶▶▶▶ JohnBowen, replying to JohnB, -2, #1403 of 2329 🔗

This is another JohnB, not the one you’re thinking of.

315834 ▶▶▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to JohnBowen, -2, #1404 of 2329 🔗

Whoever the flying fuck you are, I log in as JohnB most days. Ask Mabel.

Mods, no chance of unique poster IDs I suppose ?

315847 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ JohnBowen, replying to JohnB, -2, #1405 of 2329 🔗

Can’t you sign in as JohnB2 or something like that? That would easily sort the problem of having multiple JohnB’s.

315922 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ JohnBowen, replying to JohnB, -1, #1406 of 2329 🔗

I’ve changed it now, so that there is no conflict with the JohnB accounts on here

316100 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to JohnBowen, -1, #1407 of 2329 🔗

Thanks owen.

315526 Leemc23, replying to Leemc23, 2, #1408 of 2329 🔗

Have we discovered who the Chatty Rat is as yet ?

315595 ▶▶ Ricky R, replying to Leemc23, 3, #1409 of 2329 🔗

My bets are on Gove.

315623 ▶▶ Tom Blackburn, replying to Leemc23, 1, #1410 of 2329 🔗


315528 Bugle, replying to Bugle, 13, #1411 of 2329 🔗

Boris will be reappearing in his father-to-the-nation mode to justify his use of the new strain as a propaganda tool, thus turning GB into a pariah state. Well done, mate, you really shot yourself in the foot there.

315580 ▶▶ Darryl, replying to Bugle, 6, #1412 of 2329 🔗

Shot himself in the foot or just following orders. He knows full well the effects of his actions, hence the barely hidden smirks on his and Hancock’s faces when they make announcements.

315739 ▶▶▶ dhid, replying to Darryl, 2, #1413 of 2329 🔗

Pity it wasn’t his head he shot himself in.

315665 ▶▶ Cranmer, replying to Bugle, 4, #1414 of 2329 🔗

Not long to go now but my guess is the announcement today will be most of England in Tier 4 tonight.

315541 alw, replying to alw, 4, #1415 of 2329 🔗

“This is what led the government to make Britain appear to be a pariah nation – cutting itself off from its neighbours – and to yo yo back again to never ending destructive lockdowns.”

A thread from @Francis_Hoar

315731 ▶▶ vargas99, replying to alw, #1416 of 2329 🔗

“It was noted that VUI-202012/01 has demonstrated exponential growth during a period when national lockdown measures were in place.” But, but but…… lockdowns work! Lalalalalalala can’t hear you..

315586 ▶▶ A leaf, replying to calchas, 1, #1418 of 2329 🔗

Yes, questions must be answered but don’t get your hopes high

315547 Dan Clarke, replying to Dan Clarke, 4, #1419 of 2329 🔗

Ireland are letting everyone have Christmas day but if you have to work on Christmas day, you can choose another day…….

315564 ▶▶ Ewan Duffy, replying to Dan Clarke, 6, #1420 of 2329 🔗

Have to keep the police onside – standard practice of all fascist regimes.

315554 Achilles, 10, #1421 of 2329 🔗

Final result. Virus 1 – 0 Lockdown. The game is over even allowing for (Neil) Fergie time.

315575 Hubes, replying to Hubes, 22, #1422 of 2329 🔗

Today’s pointless motorway signs “Borders to France closed. Stay Home” that was interspersed with other nonsensical signs such as “Don’t travel. Tier 3”, “Don’t travel. Tier 2” and “Don’t drink and drive”.

No signs for drive in the correct fucking lane though unfortunately.

315585 ▶▶ BTLnewbie, replying to Hubes, 4, #1423 of 2329 🔗

Reminds me of the pre-War (probably apocryphal) newspaper headline:
“Fog in Channel – Europe cut off”.

315620 ▶▶ Lockdown_Lunacy, replying to Hubes, 1, #1424 of 2329 🔗

They are undercover policemen driving slowly in the middle lane to impede our progress through the tiers and put us off…

315621 ▶▶ Be Unshakeable, replying to Hubes, 8, #1425 of 2329 🔗
315671 ▶▶▶ chaos, replying to Be Unshakeable, 3, #1426 of 2329 🔗

obey.. consume.. don’t consume.. stay in.. eat out.. stay in.. consume from amazon…

315662 ▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to Hubes, 6, #1427 of 2329 🔗

My favourite pointless motorway sign is often seen on the M8 between Edinburgh and Glasgow: “Check your tyre pressures.”

It begs the response: “What, right now?”

315753 ▶▶ Cranmer, replying to Hubes, 3, #1428 of 2329 🔗

My fave is on the ring road in an East Anglian market town. ‘Covid 19: stay safe: walk or cycle where possible’. If one believes Covid is dripping from the atmosphere like radioactive fallout, surely it’s safer to stay in one’s motor car?

315582 Mutineer, replying to Mutineer, 24, #1429 of 2329 🔗

Finally, someone with guts.
“I will no longer acquiesce in the Government’s failing lockdown strategy.”
PRESS STATEMENT – by Cllr Ray Burston
Midday – Monday, December 21st 2020

315659 ▶▶ Cranmer, replying to Mutineer, 6, #1430 of 2329 🔗

Can you provide more details please? Most of these local government standoffs have simply been about demands for more taxpayers’ money from central govt.

315769 ▶▶▶ Sue, replying to Cranmer, 7, #1431 of 2329 🔗

here is his message on fb …

“I will no longer acquiesce in the Government’s failing lockdown strategy.”
PRESS STATEMENT – by Cllr Ray Burston
Midday – Monday, December 21st 2020
This year’s CoVid19 emergency has been an unprecedented event that has even so showcased the ability of the British people to rise to any challenge. In particular, we will always remain indebted to our NHS front line staff, who have worked tirelessly to save lives. I commend too the work of the officers and staff of the local authority on which I serve for keeping its vital services functioning, as well as the Leader of Dudley Metropolitan Borough Council, Cllr Patrick Harley, and his cabinet colleagues for overseeing this magnificent response.
Like everyone else at the outset of this crisis, I abided by Government guidance on social distancing and other precautionary measures because I accepted that they were a regrettable necessity, intended to ‘flatten the curve’ so that our health service could be afforded valuable time to prepare for the rising number of CoVid19 hospital admissions. Like everyone else too, I was relieved when those measures were progressively lifted during the summer, enabling life to return to some kind of normality.
Thankfully, CoVid19 has not proved as deadly as was first feared – notwithstanding the lives it has sadly claimed (and that we still have no answer to the fundamental question: which hospital admissions died ‘from’ CoVid19 and which happened to die ‘with’ it?). While the frail elderly and those with existing life-threatening co-morbidities remain most at risk, over ninety-nine percent of people who become infected with the virus will manifest few, if any symptoms. Doctors are now more aware about how to treat patients with CoVid19; and the scientific community has developed vaccines that will hopefully counter it.
Moreover, we now know the devastating effect that the Government’s CoVid19 response measures – in particular, local and national lockdowns – have had upon our economy and upon people’s jobs, livelihoods and mental health.
Likewise, for many months the NHS abandoned referring or treating people suffering from other life-threatening illnesses, including cancers and heart disease. Many of these patients have since died of conditions that, in any other year, would have been readily treatable.
Meanwhile, our general wellbeing has been blighted by the almost total closure of our places of worship, our social clubs and gatherings, and our hospitality industry – further fuelling a pandemic of loneliness, despair and (tragically) suicides. In the final reckoning, our response to the virus will almost certainly result in more deaths than CoVid19 itself.
Indeed, since the publication of the ‘Great Barrington Declaration’ in September many eminent scientists contend that there is an alternative way of managing the virus that requires neither onerous constraints upon our freedom nor financially crippling lockdowns.
And yet the Government continues to pursue a policy of ever more convoluted and draconian measures to curtail our liberties, with ministers and their advisors thinking aloud that some or all of them may have to remain in place into the autumn of next year. In the light of the appalling damage that this will continue to inflict upon the social and economic fabric of this country, I believe it is simply too high a price to pay to combat a virus that poses no threat to the overwhelming majority of my fellow citizens. In fact, it is akin to amputating one’s leg in order to treat an ingrowing toenail. Or a man who, in his fixation with chasing and swatting a wasp, is thereby knocking over and smashing all his most valuable possessions.
It’s becoming more obvious too that, however well-intentioned the Government’s actions may be, their net effect has been to toy with the British people – like a cat toys with an injured mouse: promising us this and that, and then, when it fails to materialise, or is taken away again, blaming us for not following its increasingly pointless and arbitrary directives. The ‘cancelling’ of Christmas after the Prime Minister assured us that to do so would be ‘inhuman’ is merely the latest instalment in this cruel, ongoing charade.
Alas, this damaging and dictatorial dog’s breakfast of rules and regulations has to end – along with the shameful misuse of our police to enforce petty infringements of them, and to harass those who dare protest them (even as we have witnessed those same police forces respond with considerably greater restraint towards other kinds of political demonstrations).


315772 ▶▶▶▶ Sue, replying to Sue, 14, #1432 of 2329 🔗

We British are, on the whole, a law-abiding people. As such, we have mostly done that which has been asked of us. However, by such complicity, I fear we are increasingly coming to resemble a ‘trauma-bonded’ abuse victim – pathetically grateful for whatever crumbs get tossed our way that might allow us to get on with our lives. Instead, I believe it is time for us to recover both our collective and individual self-respect by finally summoning the courage to tell the Prime Minister and his SAGE obsessives that enough is enough: we will no longer consent to having those lives turned upside down on the back of dodgy statistics and debatable science.
Therefore, it is with regret that I hereby announce that I will no longer acquiesce in the Government’s failing lockdown strategy, with its cruel, counterproductive and often patently absurd edicts – and, in particular, its constraints upon who we are permitted to meet. I do NOT need a minister of the crown telling me when and where and how I get to hug my grandchildren!
I do not seek confrontation over the exercise of this most basic human right. I have no plans to join a rave. I will wash my hands and follow other common-sense advice. Out of respect for others, I will continue to wear a mask when wandering around a supermarket. However, if exercising fundamental liberties that my parents and grandparents surrendered the best years of their lives defending means I stand in breach of the law, then so be it.
This is not a decision that I have taken lightly. As well as a good deal of prayer and reflection, it’s the culmination of months of mounting dismay, anger – and yes, despair – at watching my country collapse around me. And while I accept that Boris Johnson is an instinctive libertarian who has felt genuinely torn by many of the decisions he has made (that much you can discern from his body language), this unprecedented amassing of the apparatus of state control bodes ill should a future government choose to exercise it for more malign purposes.
I understand there will be consequences to taking this stand – more so given my status as an elected public servant. And while it would have been easier to simply defy these rules and regulations on the sly and hope no one notices – as many, many people already have done and ever more are now doing, in both high and low places – my conscience dictates that I must do so instead with my head held high. As Martin Luther King Jr once reminded us, “One who breaks an unjust law must do so openly, lovingly, and with a willingness to accept the penalty.”
Finally, I urge the increasing number of people – both elected public servants and ordinary citizens – who also feel as I do to openly, lovingly and willingly resolve themselves to no longer acquiesce in these unjust rules and regulations. After all, they can’t arrest and imprison us all. Meanwhile, if enough of us do so, then we may yet convince our government to abandon the ruinous course it’s pursuing – and while there is still a chance to save what’s left of our economy and our civil society.
Cllr Ray Burston,
Halesowen South ward,
Dudley Metropolitan Borough Council.
Midday – Monday, December 21st 2020

315833 ▶▶▶▶▶ Cranmer, replying to Sue, 1, #1433 of 2329 🔗

Excellent – I will be writing to him as soon as possible. He will need support.

316146 ▶▶▶▶▶ TC, replying to Sue, 1, #1434 of 2329 🔗

A brave conscientious stand.
I hope all goes well with him and his exaample inspires other local authority leaders to do the same.
We’ll see but well done Ray Burston – may it be a Rosa Parkes moment.

315587 peteupnorth, replying to peteupnorth, 12, #1435 of 2329 🔗

I have a suspicion our idiot government knew the public were wise to totally over the top sage frightening stats,

So they dreamt up this wizard weaze, let’s have a killer mutant, without thinking of the consequences.

Boom how did all those pig thick ppe graduates miss the glaringly obvious that other countries would react in the way they have and markets would tank again, these politicians make your average 2 year old look intelligent!

So how did they plan this?

Let’s call it a scary mutant and mention porten down a lot. But Ooops its been around in the U.K. since September and in the rest of the world in a similar form since early summer.

We now need some exponential growth, Let’s rack up some pcr “cases”. Thanks Wales you had a spare 12,000 hidden away, we will dump them all into the cases tally on Thursday, excellent Thursday looks great with a spike up of 12,3000. Lets also increase the number of tests from an average of 328,000 per day to 439,000 per day, that will do it at 7% that’s another 7,700 cases, excellent the spike on Sunday was up 9,000 cases.

So we have a scary mutant and a rapid increase well done SAGE

Sadly most of the population have bought this guff.

315775 ▶▶ Will, replying to peteupnorth, 2, #1436 of 2329 🔗

That is exactly what is happening.

315588 Dan Clarke, replying to Dan Clarke, 19, #1437 of 2329 🔗

Anyone think all of this has an unreal quality about it. Doing things to fool the enemy that they are doing them but its not really happening. No real lockdowns, unless you want them, no testing unless you want them, no more deaths than normal, hospitals with capacity, etc etc.

315607 ▶▶ Be Unshakeable, replying to Dan Clarke, #1438 of 2329 🔗

Are you suggesting that the conspiracy theorists were right (again).

315617 ▶▶▶ Dan Clarke, replying to Be Unshakeable, 2, #1439 of 2329 🔗

Its just weird, like Event 201, the online version

315626 ▶▶▶▶ Be Unshakeable, replying to Dan Clarke, 7, #1440 of 2329 🔗

“The pandemic represents a rare but narrow window of opportunity to reflect, reimagine, and reset our world” – Professor Klaus Schwab, Founder and Executive Chairman, World Economic Forum.


I don’t think it’s a great leap to suggest that the ‘crisis’ is being deliberately escalated and drawn out beyond the scope of the infection.

315656 ▶▶▶▶▶ Dan Clarke, replying to Be Unshakeable, 2, #1441 of 2329 🔗

Yes proper Charlie said that too, they’re like Clones

315696 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Be Unshakeable, replying to Dan Clarke, #1442 of 2329 🔗

Indeed. But yes, it is certainly surreal theatre, like a Samuel Beckett play, if the actors were all bumbling fools and plastic Macron types.

315634 John P, replying to John P, 17, #1443 of 2329 🔗

Simon Jack (BBC) :

“Freight crisis. France blocks lorry movements from UK for 48 hrs due to new COVID strain alarm. Government caught off guard by this. Ministers and officials just beginning to assess the situation. DFT in charge tonight but will be a Cabinet Office convened meeting tomorrow am … “

Luke Johnson (RCP) :

“I predicted this when clown govt put out their lunatic panic alert yesterday about Covid variant. When will the public wake up and realise the cabinet are idiots and haven’t a clue?”

I often ask myself the same question!

315646 ▶▶ Tyneside Tigress, replying to John P, 5, #1444 of 2329 🔗

Luke Johnson, like his former business partner, Hugh Osmond both studied the first part of the BMed degree at Oxford – they know what they are talking about because it covered quite a lot of Biochemistry (even though the Medics hated doing it!)

315647 ▶▶ chris, replying to John P, 7, #1445 of 2329 🔗

We are at WAR, we just don’t know who with.

315789 ▶▶ Dorian_Hawkmoon, replying to John P, 1, #1446 of 2329 🔗

The alignment of the end of EUTransition and this Govt precipitated passenger and freight carriage crisis on the back of a clear lie about rampant virus mutations is just too much of a coincidence. What the feck is going on. The Govt has precipitated the worst crisis since WW2 or at least The Bay Of Pigs crisis. Stupidity or plot but what a disastrous bunch of shites this Govt is (along with every other, admittedly).

315641 Ewan Duffy, replying to Ewan Duffy, 26, #1447 of 2329 🔗

I had a positive interaction yesterday. Was visiting my parents as I do most Sundays – got to their house before they returned from visiting my grandmother for Christmas and as I was getting out the car, a young girl walking along the road with a plate of cupcakes came up to me offering one.

Thinking she was trying to raise money for Christmas, I asked how much, only to be told that they were free. The beautiful thing about the interaction was that she was maskless, as she went door to door, offering her home baking without a care in the world.

I told my parents the story when they arrived home and wondered where the cupcake I was eating came from. They told me that the girl is from a family across the road and she and her siblings are very friendly and civic minded like that. My Dad told me he will be buying a box of sweets for the family on foot of the cupcake.

315740 ▶▶ Cranmer, replying to Ewan Duffy, 2, #1448 of 2329 🔗

I thought this was going to have some sort of supernatural ending, like nobody had heard of the little girl then somebody remembered she died there in 1920 or something.

315968 ▶▶▶ cubby, replying to Cranmer, #1449 of 2329 🔗

Me too…….maybe it’s not over yet. Might be a corona cup cake…..

316181 ▶▶ annie, replying to Ewan Duffy, #1450 of 2329 🔗

What a dear.

315645 PatrickF, replying to PatrickF, 19, #1451 of 2329 🔗

5pm. Tune in to watch the Fat Controller humiliate himself, once more. It’s over Boris. Both you and the virus.

315681 ▶▶ John P, replying to PatrickF, 3, #1452 of 2329 🔗

Mmm, think I might give the corpulent cretin a miss.

315699 ▶▶ Ovis, replying to PatrickF, 6, #1453 of 2329 🔗

I’ve seen the planned speech. Boris appears at a little after 5:00pm and delivers the following message to the nation:

“Listen to this, it’s too good to miss, dum dum de dum de dum.” [He drops his trousers, turns round and farts loudly to camera].

Alright, he won’t literally do that. But he might as well. Effectively, he and Starmer have been doing that as a double act for nine months. Johnson now knows he can do whatever he wants – so why not deliver the speech exactly as described?

315658 sam, #1454 of 2329 🔗

know this is for the uk sorry but any americans here know if you can wear a lanyard [ had to look up what that is !] wiht exemption badge in the u sa to go into stores and they will honor it?

from what i can find on the net anyone who tries to go into stores with out a mask no matter what they say about having an expemption will get thrown out and the police will be called , how lucky you a re there in the u k.

i almsot got thrown out a month ago for not weairng a mask i jsut really wanted the food i had in the cart and it was a long drive back home so gave in adn am jsut about sure if i try again they wont let me shop.and its a fairly long drive there [ for me anyway ]

315666 chris, replying to chris, 2, #1455 of 2329 🔗

Will Macron disconnect the INTERCONNECTOR ?

315704 ▶▶ peyrole, replying to chris, 4, #1456 of 2329 🔗

No he can’t de-energise it just from the French end. But EdF may find other markets for their excess energy and NGC might find it harder and/or more expensive to contract for support in times of system stress which will/are becoming a more normal event thanks to the closure of conventional generation in the UK. French policy is reduce nuclear capacity somewhat, so their ability to provide energy will diminish over time anyway.

315752 ▶▶▶ kf99, replying to peyrole, #1457 of 2329 🔗

I think we also have interconnectors to Belgium and Netherlands now?

315825 ▶▶▶▶ TheOriginalBlackPudding, replying to kf99, #1458 of 2329 🔗

Indeed, and one linking Eire and North Wales.
If you really want to you can monitor their contribution to the grid at https://gridwatch.co.uk/ (But there’s only so much of that a man can take!)

315668 James, 18, #1459 of 2329 🔗

Happy Solstice to everyone,

I thought to take the opportunity to send a message to my friends at Christmas time. I put this short message in my Christmas Cards this year. I tried not to be too controversial. It might help.

Love to you all,


“Dear Friends,

Its Christmas, traditionally a time for families to gather and celebrate the birth of Jesus Christ into our world. For some of us it’s a time to go inward and engage a little more consciously with the spirit of Christ; its a time of light and a pause to commune with something sacred, something holy; however faintly we comprehend that sacredness. At the very least we as a society pause to spend more time with those closest to us. Hopefully, we are reminded of how much we care about one another.

I love Christmas.  I love everything about it, however and how much the corporate, secular world attempts to conceal or distort the real meaning. This Christmas feels unusually significant. It would appear that the state throughout  ( the still nominally Christian  ) world has decided to make the celebration of our most cherished festival considerably harder. Many family reunions will not take place. Many will be curtailed in different ways. This is being done ostensibly in the name of the protection of life. Possibly justified, possibly well meaning; probably not.  But there is a pattern and I do not believe it is ultimately for the common good. As a species we seem to be deciding to withdraw from one another. Real contact and real communality is being rapidly replaced by virtual contact and pseudo community. This process has been going on almost unnoticed for nearly a century now, but it is now escalating at dizzying speed. I also have started to believe that it is deliberately being encouraged. I am on record as saying that a war is being covertly waged against our society.  I think it is a terrible mistake to allow ourselves to be intimidated or deceived into surrendering passively.  So, I am taking this opportunity, this Christmas, to ask you all to take a step back and consider if you like the way the world is going and, if you don’t, to think about how you might do something to reverse the process, because it has huge momentum and I don’t think it ends well. “

315670 A. Contrarian, replying to A. Contrarian, 2, #1460 of 2329 🔗

I think this guy is actually for real even though it looks like a spoof.


315685 ▶▶ Rosie, replying to A. Contrarian, #1461 of 2329 🔗


315710 ▶▶ Be Unshakeable, replying to A. Contrarian, 1, #1462 of 2329 🔗

Shitbeard, NHS glasses, airpods, hanging out on Twitter, tweeting about gammons, right wingers, Brexit… yes, it’s likely that this tryhard normie is for real, given his penchant for desperately wanting to fit in (and be seen doing so).

315934 ▶▶ Matt The Cat, replying to A. Contrarian, 3, #1463 of 2329 🔗

I’m a remainer but with a strong streak of Libertarian running through me. Politically and socially, I’m open minded, believe in non-violence, and am always willing to try to “see the other side” of the argument. There’s a lot we can learn from one another, in my humble opinion, even from those who have diametrically opposed viewpoints.

Having said that, I feel I could never get tired of kicking this poofter’s head in.

316015 ▶▶▶ RickH, replying to Matt The Cat, 1, #1464 of 2329 🔗

I never thought that the sight of an arsehole could be so hilarious 🙂

315673 leggy, replying to leggy, 6, #1465 of 2329 🔗
315674 ▶▶ Dorian_Hawkmoon, replying to leggy, 4, #1466 of 2329 🔗

No surprise there. Shagger Ferguson still working his magic.

315678 ▶▶▶ John P, replying to Dorian_Hawkmoon, 10, #1467 of 2329 🔗

Yes, I wish he’d stick to his bit on the side instead of shafting the entire country.

315675 ▶▶ John P, replying to leggy, 3, #1468 of 2329 🔗

Well I doubt it bears any resemblance to reality!

315729 ▶▶ FlynnQuill, replying to leggy, 3, #1469 of 2329 🔗

Modelling is quak science. You’d be better off asking Mystic Meg for a prediction.

315747 ▶▶▶ Old Bill, replying to FlynnQuill, 2, #1470 of 2329 🔗

And a PCR test is only slightly less reliable that a Ouija board.

316004 ▶▶▶▶ RickH, replying to Old Bill, 1, #1471 of 2329 🔗

As Kary Mullis said – it’s not the test that’s inaccurate – it’s the interpretation.

Using incredible results from a high Ct is useless – and anyone who does is committing fraud.

315905 ▶▶ RickH, replying to leggy, 3, #1472 of 2329 🔗

I just had a rule follower family member asking me ‘Do you know better than SAGE?’

To which the answer was – “Well my estimate of weekly deaths at this point was about 200 out. SAGE ‘worst case’ (the let-out) estimate was something like 15,000 out.

‘Nuff said.

315676 A. Contrarian, replying to A. Contrarian, 19, #1473 of 2329 🔗

Simon Dolan claims that Ferguson never in fact left his govt advisory role after breaking lockdown 1. He was just immediately transferred over to NERVTAG despite the govt claiming he had left all his advisory roles.

315690 ▶▶ leggy, replying to A. Contrarian, 6, #1474 of 2329 🔗

Wouldn’t be at all surprised.

315816 ▶▶ John P, replying to A. Contrarian, #1475 of 2329 🔗

I thought he was in NERVTAG anyway. He just left his SAGE role.

315890 ▶▶▶ RickH, replying to John P, 2, #1476 of 2329 🔗

I think that’s probably the situation. It’s not what you know – it’s who you know.

Incompetence? No problem – as long as you have the contacts.

315680 Achilles, replying to Achilles, 56, #1477 of 2329 🔗

Greetings from Tier 4. We had the body bags delivered yesterday with instructions. We have to hang a white sheet out of the window when someone dies and they will be collected. Another 5 neighbours died yesterday. The rest have left for the country. We’re holding on. The army are still delivering food parcels. They have to be disinfected and left in the garage for 24 hours before using. The schools have closed and are now temporary mortuaries. We daren’t go out now. Letter boxes have been sealed up and armed guards are stationed at the end of each road. Apparently someone tried to get through yesterday and was shot dead. Well you can’t be too careful. The electricity is now only on 3 hours a day because of the lack of staff at the powerplants. Just a matter of time I guess. I’ll update you when I can but I can’t promise. God Bless you all and for heavens sake stay safe.

315688 ▶▶ Arnie, replying to Achilles, 15, #1478 of 2329 🔗

Have you got enough toilet roll?..


315701 ▶▶ dhid, replying to Achilles, 3, #1479 of 2329 🔗

We’ve got tanks and bulldozers here and we are only in T2!

Edit – well for the next few minutes anyway….

315712 ▶▶ Cranmer, replying to Achilles, 1, #1480 of 2329 🔗

Just remember it’s only temporary!

315741 ▶▶ Liz F, replying to Achilles, 12, #1481 of 2329 🔗

Greetings from a fellow tier 4 leper…oops, sorry, got to go. The SAS are shining a torch through the kitchen window and I’ve already exceeded my 5 minutes of internet use today. We’re the only sceptics left in the village.

316087 ▶▶▶ FenTyger, replying to Liz F, 2, #1482 of 2329 🔗

Your village had other sceptics?

315832 ▶▶ Alethea, replying to Achilles, 4, #1483 of 2329 🔗

How are your supplies of Crayola holding up? I can messenger some over if you’re not fully equipped for the renaissance of rainbow art that we’re all expecting any day now

316180 ▶▶ annie, replying to Achilles, #1484 of 2329 🔗

Sounds like you’re doing ok!

315683 Gillian, replying to Gillian, -5, #1485 of 2329 🔗


315689 ▶▶ Two-Six, replying to Gillian, 2, #1486 of 2329 🔗

Aww, what a dissapointment

315694 ▶▶▶ dhid, replying to Two-Six, 3, #1487 of 2329 🔗

If it’s any consolation I fell for it too…

315687 Biggles, replying to Biggles, 18, #1488 of 2329 🔗

Just a reminder of how good Neil Ferguson’s predictions are…

315706 ▶▶ dhid, replying to Biggles, 14, #1489 of 2329 🔗

I would never tire of stamping on his head.

315715 ▶▶ Crystal Decanter, replying to Biggles, 4, #1490 of 2329 🔗

Looks like he’s been fingered more times than his bit of married fluff

315692 Crystal Decanter, replying to Crystal Decanter, 5, #1491 of 2329 🔗

Must be terrible for Macron getting the Covaids
His Mrs is a fossil

315807 ▶▶ CGL, replying to Crystal Decanter, 1, #1492 of 2329 🔗

Yep – he could kill granny!!

315698 mjr, replying to mjr, 44, #1493 of 2329 🔗

i see the 5.00 announcement follows Worzel Gummage. I hope the BBC make it obvious that one programme has finished and the next has started. I am buggered if i would otherwise notice the difference .

One is a show featuring unkempt people with straw for brains who make stupid mistakes and talk shite and the other is a show about a scarecrow called Worzel

315708 ▶▶ Cranmer, replying to mjr, 9, #1494 of 2329 🔗

‘Can I ‘ave me prime minithster’s ‘ead Misthter Crowman thir?’

315991 ▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to mjr, #1495 of 2329 🔗

Be careful or Boris will put his lockdown head on

316084 ▶▶ Jo, replying to mjr, 1, #1496 of 2329 🔗

Best – probably only -laugh I’ve had today! I am crying with laughter!
Thank you.

315707 Harry hopkins, replying to Harry hopkins, 27, #1497 of 2329 🔗

If you up tick anything today make sure it is this!

Solid, up to the minute evidence that the vaccine roll out is harming people.
The latest findings from a report to the CDC (Centre for Disease Control) from ACIP (Advisory Committee on immunisation practice) has highlighted the fact that over a four day period (Dec 14th—18th) out of 112,807 registrations who received a vaccination, 3150 of them shortly afterwards were * unable to perform normal daily activities, unable to work, required care from doctor or health care professional * This is 2.8% of the group. Needless to say this is a horrendous percentage and should, in a just world, be headline news on the BBC. At the very least this should result in nothing short of a full suspension of the vaccine rollout.

This was first highlighted by Dr Vernon Coleman here:


And the full report is here:


Lock down sceptics is becoming more of a self obsessed echo chamber by the day. Do something that goes beyond that and reach out. The above news is REAL and IMPORTANT. It needs to spread throughout your contact lists and more. I’ve sent it to my GP surgery and a friend I know is writing to our local papers. We must stop talking to ourselves and grasp the nettle when we have concrete evidence like this to work with. Indeed Toby should be headlining this!!

315718 ▶▶ leggy, replying to Harry hopkins, 3, #1498 of 2329 🔗

Thank you – I’ll be sending this to my nurse friend who seems to be taking much glee in jabbing people.

316095 ▶▶ Harry hopkins, replying to Harry hopkins, 1, #1499 of 2329 🔗

I have sent this info. to Toby. I will be amazed and disappointed if these results are not headlined tomorrow! A site that only exists to resist lock downs should make the most of this factual evidence that is already highlighting the danger to human health.

315711 Tenchy, replying to Tenchy, 16, #1500 of 2329 🔗

The Telegraph live feed:

Sudan announces travel ban for UK

315716 ▶▶ kenadams, replying to Tenchy, 2, #1501 of 2329 🔗

I actually just lol’d.

315719 ▶▶ Draper233, replying to Tenchy, 21, #1502 of 2329 🔗

And apparently Sudan are also planning a Live Aid gig to help the UK with food shortages

315732 ▶▶▶ tonyspurs, replying to Draper233, 5, #1503 of 2329 🔗

Haha 🤣 just had my cup of tea go down the wrong hole and a bout of Coroni style coughing

315809 ▶▶▶▶ Draper233, replying to tonyspurs, 1, #1504 of 2329 🔗

Steady on chap. I’m already responsible for countless granny deaths this year, I don’t want another one on my conscience!

315722 ▶▶ PatrickF, replying to Tenchy, #1505 of 2329 🔗

Sue Dan. He’s lying!

315723 ▶▶ dhid, replying to Tenchy, #1506 of 2329 🔗

Aw shucks…
Another one.

315724 ▶▶ Be Unshakeable, replying to Tenchy, 3, #1507 of 2329 🔗

I don’t blame them. Who would want to come to this retarded shithole?

315947 ▶▶ Lisa (formerly) from Toronto, replying to Tenchy, #1508 of 2329 🔗

You’re banned from Canada too because of your mutant virus. YOU’RE NOT MISSING ANYTHING!!! Ontario is apparently going into full lockdown for 4-6 weeks as of Christmas Eve. The announcement is coming sometime this afternoon. I’ll be fine — I’ve been locked down since the mask mandate anyway, but for a few places I can go mask free.

316515 ▶▶ Stringfellow Hawke, replying to Tenchy, #1509 of 2329 🔗

Too busy counting their moolah… Dem’s packed the US stimulus bill with all kinds, inc. $700,000,000 for Sudan. What was it Nancy Pelosi said, “let them eat ice cream?”

315714 kenadams, replying to kenadams, 2, #1510 of 2329 🔗

Any Americans – is South Dakota still sane?

Will it be allowed to remain sane when the Democrats get into power?

Given my wife’s American passport, as long as I know S Dakota’s state governor will have enough power to hold back Democrat nonsense, this is looking more and more tempting by the day.

315786 ▶▶ Ben, replying to kenadams, 2, #1511 of 2329 🔗

The question no one is asking, and is the most important question of all, is – if South Dakota is leaned on to impose masks, lockdowns and restrictions, then who is issuing the orders to lockdown?

Where are orders coming from? And why?

315804 ▶▶ awildgoose, replying to kenadams, 3, #1512 of 2329 🔗

Governor Noem is holding out for now, but the MSM at all levels are hammering her for not ordering lockdowns or issuing a mask mandate.

315826 ▶▶ DRW, replying to kenadams, #1513 of 2329 🔗

I think so, Florida and Georgia are also in the top tier.

315717 PatrickF, 6, #1514 of 2329 🔗

“It’s with a very heavy fart, that I tell you…..”

315734 Crystal Decanter, 5, #1515 of 2329 🔗

Eddie Izzard is a he
You will never be a woman

315735 Be Unshakeable, replying to Be Unshakeable, 2, #1516 of 2329 🔗
315742 ▶▶ Ovis, replying to Be Unshakeable, 4, #1517 of 2329 🔗

Easy to see why the ladies like him so.

315743 ▶▶▶ Be Unshakeable, replying to Ovis, 6, #1518 of 2329 🔗

Not a dry seat in the house.

315803 ▶▶ John P, replying to Be Unshakeable, #1519 of 2329 🔗

You can’t say you weren’t warned.

315736 Ewan Duffy, 2, #1520 of 2329 🔗


So, in the Guardian, when the (negative) outcome agrees with their worldview, it is due to COVID19 (and not lockdowns), but where it disagrees with their worldview, it is due to lockdowns (and not COVID19).

315737 tonyspurs, 9, #1521 of 2329 🔗

How times change

315745 Richard, replying to Richard, 33, #1522 of 2329 🔗

Well it’s definitely starting – just went to the local garage to fill up. Never had issue before – person behind the till said have you got a mask and said no am exempt. Have you got a card – no actually I don’t need to have one. Do you mind if I serve you outside ? That’s fine. Oh i can’t can you come in – yes of course reasonably large Bill paid. Lots of muttering about should be wearing a mask and it’s those peoples fault that we are in this mess. Politely said goodbye. Now fortunately my other car needed filling up as well – so second visit within five minutes !! Filled up car whilst person was on the phone clearly discussing last visit ! Went into garage – “oh you’re back – is there a problem ?” No just filled up another car – would you wait outside until my manager comes and then don’t come back again ! All this whilst still on phone to the manager – so politely asked are you banning me ? You realise that you breaching the Equalities Act ? Silence – waited outside – same person comes back Ok come in I will serve you – another reasonable sized bill settled. Am I banned then ? I asked – cue much muttering but admission I wasn’t banned after all. Anyway – I don’t blame the individual – it’s what the government are trying to do but tomorrow will be pinning them firmly to the spot…

315748 ▶▶ Country Mumkin, replying to Richard, 10, #1523 of 2329 🔗

Yes I’m worried about this too. I expect it will get much much worse…

315760 ▶▶▶ Luckyharry69, replying to Country Mumkin, 5, #1524 of 2329 🔗

Agenda 2030 has another 10 years to run…this is all part of it.

315797 ▶▶▶▶ John P, replying to Luckyharry69, -1, #1525 of 2329 🔗

It isn’t only the government talking crap.

316473 ▶▶▶▶▶ Jez Hewitt, replying to John P, #1526 of 2329 🔗

Are you suggesting there’s no Agenda for 2030 and that all references to it online are bollocks? Have you read and registered on the WEF website and had a look at their complex mapping diagram of the things they have planned? Don’t tell me you’re one of those incompetence theorists?

315754 ▶▶ Chess nut, replying to Richard, 11, #1527 of 2329 🔗

I do blame each and every individual who goes along with this evil

315766 ▶▶ Ben, replying to Richard, 5, #1528 of 2329 🔗

You’re brave. Thank you for standing up to this tyranny.

315854 ▶▶▶ Richard, replying to Ben, 1, #1529 of 2329 🔗

Thanks but not really !

315864 ▶▶ Draper233, replying to Richard, 6, #1530 of 2329 🔗

After a few months of being unchallenged, I was asked by two different members of staff at Tesco on Saturday shortly after the press conference.

I batted them both off with the usual “exempt” and walk on, but was tempted to say how ironic it was that over 95% mask compliance had led to cases running out of control. Go figure.

315977 ▶▶ Nessimmersion, replying to Richard, 2, #1531 of 2329 🔗

Zero hedge is now running articles with statistical evidence from comparative US states that incidence of Covid positive PCR tests increases with mask wearing:


It’s nothing we didn’t know already but at least the evidence is continuing to grow.

316173 ▶▶ annie, replying to Richard, 1, #1532 of 2329 🔗

Well done, Richard, that sort of mean-spirited heckling can be hard to withstand.

316217 ▶▶▶ Richard, replying to annie, 1, #1533 of 2329 🔗

I think the art is staying calm ! 25 years of face to face trading in the City tends to mean you don’t get rattled by much !! In casuals it’s very easy for people to underestimate who they are dealing with !

315751 Ben, replying to Ben, 11, #1534 of 2329 🔗

Neil Ferguson, who broke lockdown rules to see his married lover, wants us to have tighter lockdown restrictions. (Some people have no shame or conscience.) A list of his past predictions:


315765 ▶▶ Darryl, replying to Ben, 3, #1535 of 2329 🔗

If you have friends in high places in the establishment and media you can get away with anything. Notice how he was never given a particularly hard time by the BBC or Guardian – could always see his departure would be temporary.

315774 ▶▶▶ Ben, replying to Darryl, 3, #1536 of 2329 🔗

He’s caused so much pain and destruction.. Suicides of farmers etc.. But he seems to have no conscience about that

The masks is a similar issue.. I worry about people damaging their health, especially children

315783 ▶▶▶ Cranmer, replying to Darryl, 1, #1537 of 2329 🔗

Yes – contrast the media treatment of Cummings with that of Ferguson and those MPs that breached lockdown rules.

316075 ▶▶▶▶ Darryl, replying to Cranmer, #1538 of 2329 🔗

They look after their own. Just look at the BBC and Saville amongst many others, if you are in favour with the people at the top of the BBC you get away with anything.

315757 l835, replying to l835, #1539 of 2329 🔗

Has anyone else been left feeling nauseous after a pcr test? Could just be me, or psychological. Tried Googling it with obvious results. Coffee and cake haven’t removed the feeling, wine might?!

315776 ▶▶ Stuart, replying to l835, 3, #1540 of 2329 🔗

You had a PCR test? Are you mad?

315805 ▶▶▶ l835, replying to Stuart, 1, #1541 of 2329 🔗

I’m as mad a hell! Operation on Christmas Eve… nhs see it as non-negotiable…

315779 ▶▶ John P, replying to l835, -2, #1542 of 2329 🔗

Complying has that effect.

315815 ▶▶ Edward, replying to l835, 2, #1543 of 2329 🔗

A young female relative of mine said the test felt strange but not painful. I think that was during it rather than afterwards.

315758 PatrickF, 6, #1544 of 2329 🔗

Our friends across the Channel? They’re French, not friends!

315761 Richym99, replying to Richym99, 6, #1545 of 2329 🔗

A quick search of the comments didn’t reveal any mention of Droston, so this may not have been picked up yet.From the DM this afternoon.

Top German Covid expert pours scorn on Boris Johnson’s ‘mutant strain’ claims, saying ‘politicians simply called it 70% more infectious’


Lots of sheep praising him for saying what they want to hear, not actually realising that the person saying it is the man who has had a great hand in bringing down most economies with his shit show of a PCR test.

315791 ▶▶ Draper233, replying to Richym99, 2, #1546 of 2329 🔗

Hmm interesting as the 70% line was supported by Ferguson.

Given that Drosten and Ferguson are both instigators for this ongoing criminality, has one of them gone mutant rather than the virus?

315762 Be Unshakeable, replying to Be Unshakeable, 7, #1547 of 2329 🔗

Boris is trying to back-pedal on nuking the supply lines with the ‘dEadLY SrTraYNe!’ BS.
Squirm fatty! Ahahahaha!

315764 ▶▶ Ricky R, replying to Be Unshakeable, 4, #1548 of 2329 🔗

Refuse to watch it. Are there any major developments??

315767 ▶▶▶ Be Unshakeable, replying to Ricky R, 9, #1549 of 2329 🔗

Yes. He looks like shit. Oh, wait…..


315770 ▶▶▶ AngloWelshDragon, replying to Ricky R, 15, #1550 of 2329 🔗

Me neither. Haven’t watched a press conference since May. Im living my life and what the Buffoon in chief says makes no never mind.

315802 ▶▶▶ crimsonpirate, replying to Ricky R, 1, #1551 of 2329 🔗

bit difficult to follow given that loud whirring sound ie the furious sound of back pedalling

315768 ▶▶ Ovis, replying to Be Unshakeable, 7, #1552 of 2329 🔗

How can he back-pedal that without back-pedaling Tier 4?


315773 ▶▶▶ Be Unshakeable, replying to Ovis, 8, #1553 of 2329 🔗

Now saying the new deadly strain is no more deadly than the old deadly strain. It’s spread around the country. But it’s localised.


315822 ▶▶▶▶ Alethea, replying to Be Unshakeable, 1, #1554 of 2329 🔗

you make me laugh

315902 ▶▶▶▶ A. Contrarian, replying to Be Unshakeable, 3, #1555 of 2329 🔗

Wish he would mutate into something