2020-12-22

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316709 Barney McGrew, replying to Barney McGrew, 6, #1 of 2163 🔗

Glory be.

316726 ▶▶ Sir Patrick Vaccine, replying to Barney McGrew, 8, #2 of 2163 🔗

Coroner blasts COVID-19 death rates, calls data misleading
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bM7XaALbhwk

316736 ▶▶▶ Ceci, replying to Sir Patrick Vaccine, 15, #3 of 2163 🔗

Two of the covid deaths had actually died of gunshot wounds

316745 ▶▶▶▶ annie, replying to Ceci, 8, #4 of 2163 🔗

Specially manufactured Covvibullets fired from Covviguns.

316758 ▶▶▶▶▶ annie, replying to annie, 5, #5 of 2163 🔗

PS. Covviroulette. Every shot in the barrel is a Covvishot.

316956 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ iansn, replying to annie, #6 of 2163 🔗

Allegedly spread by covigina’s too

317482 ▶▶▶▶ Kevin 2, replying to Ceci, 2, #7 of 2163 🔗

Is that the new assisted death protocol for Covid victims?

316872 ▶▶▶ Burlington, replying to Sir Patrick Vaccine, 11, #8 of 2163 🔗

Better check you raccident insurance policy people. If you die in an accident and have tested positive for COVID-19 it could be classed as natural causes, and give the insurance company an excuse for a reduced or no payment.

316971 ▶▶▶▶ Crystal Decanter, replying to Burlington, 6, #9 of 2163 🔗

Having worked as a claim assessor in the past I would concur – these rats are always looking for reasons not to pay

317510 ▶▶▶ Lms23, replying to Sir Patrick Vaccine, 5, #10 of 2163 🔗

A 20-year-old was listed as a CV19 death in the U.S.
This was queried as to whether he had any previously unknown underlying conditions.
Oh, no, was the reply, he was killed in a motorcycle crash. But he was still listed as a CV19 death because he tested positive….

316727 ▶▶ Sir Patrick Vaccine, replying to Barney McGrew, 5, #11 of 2163 🔗

Sir Desmond Swayne Interview Exposes BBC Hypocrisy As They Help The Government Hide From Scrutiny
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cQiNXFfbGa0

316730 ▶▶ Sir Patrick Vaccine, replying to Barney McGrew, #12 of 2163 🔗

Captain Tom CANCELLED By Twitter Mob!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VaR4C9rgsXE

317645 ▶▶ sam, replying to Barney McGrew, #13 of 2163 🔗

so here’s what John Hopkins University is planning for us in 2025, the next ‘Pandemic’ and next vaccine MVAX and corovax….All to keep the people locked up at home
https://www.bitchute.com/video/5B3gXR8Q6Wcx/
https://stars.library.ucf.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=1029&context=jicrcr

316710 vargas99, #14 of 2163 🔗

2nd close but no cigar!

316711 miahoneybee, #15 of 2163 🔗

3rd. 😁

316713 Barney McGrew, replying to Barney McGrew, 4, #16 of 2163 🔗

The Sam Smith caption made me chuckle.

316747 ▶▶ annie, replying to Barney McGrew, 8, #17 of 2163 🔗

Imagine the scene at the Miraculous birth:

Midwife: It’s a bbbbb- ggggg- well, I think it’s human….

317774 ▶▶▶ richard riewer, replying to annie, #18 of 2163 🔗

It’s a Borg. Aarrrghh!

316714 Harry hopkins, replying to Harry hopkins, 66, #19 of 2163 🔗

Good to see that this has been included in today’s main headlines but in case you missed it please up tick this!

Solid, up to the minute evidence that the vaccine roll out is harming people.
The latest findings from a report to the CDC (Centre for Disease Control) from ACIP (Advisory Committee on immunisation practice) has highlighted the fact that over a four day period (Dec 14th—18th) out of 112,807 registrations who received a vaccination, 3150 of them shortly afterwards were * unable to perform normal daily activities, unable to work, required care from doctor or health care professional * This is 2.8% of the group. Needless to say this is a horrendous percentage and should, in a just world, be headline news on the BBC. At the very least this should result in nothing short of a full suspension of the vaccine rollout.

This was first highlighted by Dr Vernon Coleman here:

https://brandnewtube.com/watch/urgent-news-about-the-covid-19-vaccine_botqwzI8R7UUVY2.html

And the full report is here:

https://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/acip/meetings/downloads/slides-2020-12/slides-12-19/05-COVID-CLARK.pdf

The above news is REAL and IMPORTANT. It needs to spread throughout your contact lists and more. I’ve sent it to my GP surgery and a friend I know is writing to our local papers. We must stop talking to ourselves and grasp the nettle when we have concrete evidence like this to work with.

316723 ▶▶ annie, replying to Harry hopkins, 31, #20 of 2163 🔗

The zombies will still fight for the jab that will Keep Them Safe, who are we to stop themz?

316777 ▶▶▶ tonyspurs, replying to annie, 18, #21 of 2163 🔗

And they would roll over Granny who they are supposed to be protecting to get theirs first

317525 ▶▶▶▶ Lms23, replying to tonyspurs, 1, #22 of 2163 🔗

In the U.S., that’s precisely what they’re doing.

316755 ▶▶ Albie, replying to Harry hopkins, 29, #23 of 2163 🔗

With no vaccine which number lockdown will we be on in 12 months and up to which number tier. If people want the vaccine let them have it, I just want lockdowns to end.

316781 ▶▶▶ 6097 Smith W, replying to Albie, 28, #24 of 2163 🔗

You think that they will end when people have been vaccinated?
Really?

316835 ▶▶▶ Les Tricoteuses, replying to Albie, 36, #25 of 2163 🔗

Wow, I admire your optimism. ‘Vaccine to end lockdown’ is the same as ‘three weeks to flatten the curve’, I fear.

316884 ▶▶▶ Ben, replying to Albie, 33, #26 of 2163 🔗

Endless vaccines and vaccines boosters tied to a lifetime of immunity passports and track-and-trace is another kind of lockdown. This is not about a virus. It’s about money and control.

317295 ▶▶▶▶ Borisbullshit, replying to Ben, 6, #27 of 2163 🔗

Hard to see how anyone could disagree with this now Ben.

317843 ▶▶▶▶ Rowan, replying to Ben, 4, #28 of 2163 🔗

It’s about genocide.

317837 ▶▶▶ Rowan, replying to Albie, 3, #29 of 2163 🔗

Lockdowns and other nonsense won’t end because of a vaccine, whatever gave you that idea. Clearly something big is going on and I’m not talking about the ephemeral coronavirus. It is genocide by vaccine.

317842 ▶▶▶ Rowan, replying to Albie, 1, #30 of 2163 🔗

77th Brigade type thinking and all your workmates voting it up.

316875 ▶▶ paulito, replying to Harry hopkins, 7, #31 of 2163 🔗

Saw yesterday that a hospital in the States suspended vaccination of health care workers after several of them displayed adversa reactions to the vax.

317852 ▶▶▶ Rowan, replying to paulito, #32 of 2163 🔗

But not to worry, they’ll soon start it up again.

316962 ▶▶ fiery, replying to Harry hopkins, 12, #33 of 2163 🔗

I’m absolutely resolute I won’t be having this vaccine after reading evidence that genetics can predispose you to having adverse reactions to vaccines. I was adopted by my step father at a very young age and thanks to an idle social worker producing a very sparse adoption report I’ve been unable to trace my biological father. Consequently I only know 50% of my family medical history. In view there being so many unknowns regarding the long term effects of this vaccine I’d rather not risk the possibility of long term disability.

317127 ▶▶▶ watashi, replying to fiery, 10, #34 of 2163 🔗

none of us should risk it.

317855 ▶▶▶▶ Rowan, replying to watashi, #35 of 2163 🔗

That is correct, these wretched vaccines will be intentionally harmful.

318050 ▶▶▶ Van Allen, replying to fiery, 4, #36 of 2163 🔗

I fear the immediate short term problems will pale into insignificance once the long term effects of gene altering therapies start to take effect. I sincerely hope I am wrong.

317001 ▶▶ PompeyJunglist, replying to Harry hopkins, 7, #37 of 2163 🔗

We need more information and context before people will take that seriously. Most people will think that’s made up of people experiencing a head ache so “unable to work”. More digging is needed before this can properly be called a smoking gun.

317524 ▶▶ Lms23, replying to Harry hopkins, 4, #38 of 2163 🔗

In the U.S., they’ve decided that “essential workers” should get the vaccine first, before the vulnerable elderly.
The former tend to be from minority ethnic groups, whereas the latter are majority white.

Wait for the screaming of racism to start when the essential workers (which includes Congresswomen such as Alexandria Ocasio Cortez, a healthy 31 year-old) start developing serious side effects…

316715 karenovirus, replying to karenovirus, 35, #39 of 2163 🔗

London and the Southeast were put into lockdown tier 4 and Xmas cancelled to stop the spread of the scary mutant virus ?

Local Live (mirror group news).
‘The new Coronovirus variant has been in (my tier 2) region for weeks but appears to be spreading slower than in other areas.

‘ONS stats suggest that 27% of cases in the region were the new strain (w/c 9 Dec) which is one percentage point lower than the previous week.’

It is already out of London and the S/E so no point locking them down bozo you clown 🥳 .

There were nill, zero, no deaths reported for yesterday, go figure the scary new mutant covid.

316717 ▶▶ Ceci, replying to karenovirus, 20, #40 of 2163 🔗

Good God, are you seriously suggesting that the pig dictator is lying?

316719 ▶▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Ceci, 5, #41 of 2163 🔗

Soz for poor quality but this ONS graphic shows that the scary mutant is already in all 9 English regions

Declining as a proportion of all cases in 4 of them. Baseline week commencing 30th Sept-9th Dec.

316795 ▶▶▶▶ PFD, replying to karenovirus, 4, #42 of 2163 🔗

The plot doesn’t really tell us anything other than they have been tracking the new variant since September and that numbers are low with the possible exception of London and the East. Witness the random jumping around of most of the data – a pretty good sign that levels are at or below the detection level and all that is being recorded is noise!

316809 ▶▶▶▶▶ karenovirus, replying to PFD, 2, #43 of 2163 🔗

So just another scary graph then ?

316813 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ PFD, replying to karenovirus, 4, #44 of 2163 🔗

Yes!

317128 ▶▶▶▶ Jez Hewitt, replying to karenovirus, 3, #45 of 2163 🔗

And the basis for their next decision to lockdown the whole country again soon I imagine.

316828 ▶▶ NorthumbrianNomad, replying to karenovirus, 36, #46 of 2163 🔗

Hancock’s hysterical outburst about the “new variant” has sent the world into a new paroxysm of madness. Because unfortunately people around the world still have respect for what a British Secretary of State says. He’s directly responsible for this chaos. He’s guilty of treason.

316848 ▶▶▶ Carrie, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, 24, #47 of 2163 🔗

He’s also guilty of causing huge disruption to people visiting the UK, whose ’home’ countries will now not let them back in for the foreseeable future 😡

317249 ▶▶▶ Mark, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, 10, #48 of 2163 🔗

Because unfortunately people around the world still have respect for what a British Secretary of State says

Seems incredible, absurd even.

317446 ▶▶▶ J4mes, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, 5, #49 of 2163 🔗

Didn’t Tony Blair remove the mechanism for Treason?

317947 ▶▶▶▶ Bella Donna, replying to J4mes, 3, #50 of 2163 🔗

Yes he must have seen it coming. In fact funny how he has suddenly disappeared again. I wouldnt be surprised if he is behind this!

318382 ▶▶▶▶ annie, replying to J4mes, 1, #51 of 2163 🔗

Hsnging, drawing and quartering was on the statute book until at least the 1960s. The four quarters to be affixed to the walks of the four chief cities of the realm.
Who’s for a chunk of Wancock?

316833 ▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to karenovirus, 9, #52 of 2163 🔗

Yet again another delayed reaction. Can’t remember where I checked it, but my borough has one of the lowest rate of cases despite having a segment of the population that are not known for following the rules on social distancing (but would happily muzzle up).

So the government has been lying to justify this “Tier 4” scam.

316922 ▶▶▶ Jonathan Palmer, replying to Bart Simpson, 31, #53 of 2163 🔗

The mutant strain rubbish was put about in order to stifle dissent as Christmas mixing was cancelled for millions of people.It will also be the pretext for putting the rest of the country into Tier 4 in readiness for the vaccine.
We are being played time and tine again using the same tricks but even on here people still try to see the logic in Government policy.
The measures only make sense when compared to what an occupying force would enact.

316981 ▶▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to Jonathan Palmer, 10, #54 of 2163 🔗

Agree. It was always the intention to have a Lockdown 3: The Sequel to the Sequel but they needed something to soften up the populace for it.

317302 ▶▶▶▶▶ Borisbullshit, replying to Bart Simpson, 5, #55 of 2163 🔗

Lockdown 3 seems pretty inevitable and no doubt planned long ago.

317786 ▶▶▶▶▶ richard riewer, replying to Bart Simpson, 1, #56 of 2163 🔗

Reminds me of Hollywood.

317411 ▶▶▶▶ MiriamW-sometimes-AlanG, replying to Jonathan Palmer, 17, #57 of 2163 🔗

Yes I agree wholeheartedly with this. We have what UK Column calls a Government of occupation. All the mutant strains, ‘Tiers’, cancellations, lock-downs, restrictions, apparent contradictions, last-minute U-turns, ‘lunacy’, ‘cock-ups’ etc are psyops and we run the risk of counting angels on pin-heads if we try to explain it any other way or waste our efforts in trying to unpack the USA death figures, say.

If you have lived with people who are suffering under brutal occupation, as we have, it is impossible to mistake what’s happening in this and nearly every other country. Every hallmark is there, closures, contradictory orders, herding, curfews, lock-downs, censorship, violent repression, minute control of people’s personal lives. Not to mention constant outright lies! One of Israeli’s favourite tactics is to issue leaks to the media about easing or tightening of restrictions which every Palestinian knows always means the opposite.

Maybe this experience is why we became sceptical very quickly when all this started.

A friend of ours escaped to Spain the day before the latest orchestrated panic. While she’s away, I have inherited her mid-90s lady who she helps out with shopping. Apart from refusing to wear a mask on principle, I am actually medically exempt anyway. I went round to see her this morning and I had to re-arm myself against worrying that I might actually infect her even though I know she is more at risk, if anything, from her muzzled carers and relations than from me. I have no symptoms of anything and her face lights up when I go in as I’m probably, along with my absent friend, the only face she sees nowadays.

I never engage with MSM or social media but this is how insidious this stuff is. Even our lovely sceptical butcher asked me this morning what I thought of the new mutant strain and she seemed to be arguing for testing for CV on the basis that ‘we test people for cancer'(!!) I think I put her straight but, bloody hell it was hard work. Despite her default scepticism, she has never heard of the word ‘asymptomatic’ – she probably thinks it means the opposite – and that’s the kind of thing we’re up against.

Oh and by the way, Ferguson is just following orders, just like the Cabinet and all the signed-up ‘scientific advisors’. MW

316716 Ceci, 9, #58 of 2163 🔗

The pig dictator says the cheque is in the post and will start to arrive at Easter

316718 D. D. Freund, replying to D. D. Freund, 2, #59 of 2163 🔗

I am very puzzled by your retraction of the statistics about ‘excess deaths’ in the USA. I spot checked the yearly total deaths on the CDC website itself, and it seemed to match to the digit….

316738 ▶▶ Peter, replying to D. D. Freund, 2, #60 of 2163 🔗

I don’t know if this is a good source, but the CDC total deaths as at 21/12/20 is 2,823,030:
https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/nvss/vsrr/covid19/index.htm

But these data lag, according to the website. Even so, there would have to be at least 375,000 more deaths in the next nine days for the total to be 12% higher than 2019. Could Will Jones please explain?

317109 ▶▶▶ Mark, replying to Peter, 3, #61 of 2163 🔗

If you add in another 60k per week for the missing weeks in that year’s data (6, in January, and rest of December), and bump up the last couple of weeks which seem likely to be affected by late reporting to 60k, which seems about the ballpark for December deaths, you get about the 12% increase we are talking about here (slightly more, actually, but these are likely over-estimates).

So the issue would have to be, how many of those are actually due to covid and how many to the response.

316739 ▶▶ Peter, replying to D. D. Freund, #62 of 2163 🔗

This is really really important actually – if Will Jones and the media are right, and the total US mortality in 2020 does reach about 3,200,000, then all of us sceptics are wrong, and the virus really has had a massive impact. I’m going to feel really ashamed admitting to everyone I know that I was wrong!

316806 ▶▶▶ Ellis Bell, replying to Peter, 32, #63 of 2163 🔗

That depends on what you’re sceptical about. I’m sceptical about lockdowns, not denying that covid exists or has had an impact.

316810 ▶▶▶▶ TJN, replying to Ellis Bell, 1, #64 of 2163 🔗

Hi Ellis – I like the name!

316889 ▶▶▶▶ rose, replying to Ellis Bell, 14, #65 of 2163 🔗

Lockdown causes excess deaths by people not getting medical attention, suicides etc..etc..

318369 ▶▶▶▶ Cheshirecatslave, replying to Ellis Bell, 2, #66 of 2163 🔗

I’ve always believed the virus can be dangerous and I take precautions as much as I can(as I do with flu and so on) but I am strongly anti lockdown as I believe we should make our own choices while enabling vulnerable people to be protected if they wish. I don’t think it possible to control a virus and the height of Hubris to believe you can.

316821 ▶▶▶ A Heretic, replying to Peter, 6, #67 of 2163 🔗

Why? We know the claimed covid death figures, what we don’t know without further analysis is how many excess deaths were caused by covid vs the government’s response to the virus.
For example if there’s 20% excess deaths in 30-40 years olds but they account for 1% of covid deaths then we can say they were sacrificed by the government on the altar of hysteria.

318374 ▶▶▶▶ Cheshirecatslave, replying to A Heretic, #68 of 2163 🔗

I was reading about a lady who died of covid who was denied medical attention for several days when she got pneumonia. she would most likely have survived with prompttreatment.

316862 ▶▶▶ SweetBabyCheeses, replying to Peter, 11, #69 of 2163 🔗

There are also a lot of other conflating issues in the USA though…obesity, poverty, the fact that you can’t seek medical treatment without getting a massive bill even with insurance…

Even if here have been lots of excess deaths I suspect they’re still older than average life expectancy and with multiple comorbidities. Whether the numbers are different between lockdown and non lockdown states is what we need to know.

317179 ▶▶▶ Jez Hewitt, replying to Peter, 1, #70 of 2163 🔗

C’mon, this is the USA we’re talking about – where obesity and junk food were invented and exported globally with glee. They’re always going to take the hardest hit with a respiratory pathogen, new or old.

Make yourself feel better and shut the shamers the fuck up by gathering them all round the tv for this jaw dropper…

https://youtu.be/vWRx1aZ5YoA

317240 ▶▶▶ Mark, replying to Peter, 2, #71 of 2163 🔗

If Will Jones and the media are right, and the total US mortality in 2020 does reach about 3,200,000, then all of us sceptics are wrong, and the virus really has had a massive impact.

Less of the “all of us” please. A 12% increase in annual deaths where the average age of death is about the overall average age of death is not my idea of a once in a lifetime catastrophe that means we should all abandon our liberties, our economy and our societies out of fear, and hide under our beds. Rather it’s exactly the kind of situation where we should keep calm and carry on.

317356 ▶▶▶ Laurence, replying to Peter, 2, #72 of 2163 🔗

US excess deaths are at about 10% this year but, as I have said below, this is not the effect of the virus. The reason this is clear is that 57.65% of the excess deaths are in the under 75s age groups – 65,000 excess deaths between 45-64 years old – if it were COVID it would be no more than 25%

So clearly this is not COVID but something else – most likely the effects of the hysterical reaction to COVID on welfare, employment, poverty and cancelled medical care.

Not only are we right, but the reaction has killed huge numbers of people by itself. Aside from killing so much of the reason for living in the rest of us.

If US mortality is over 3.2m, that shows the evil of lockdown and the blood of those people is on the hands of those that gave rise to it, such as Fauci.

317613 ▶▶▶▶ Dale, replying to Laurence, 3, #73 of 2163 🔗

Not for nothing, a Wall Street Journal analysis suggest that upwards of ONE-THIRD of hospital deaths, early on, were due to aggressive intubation and excessive sedation. Read: panic.

316720 karenovirus, replying to karenovirus, 24, #74 of 2163 🔗

From the main text.
‘Scientific advisers clamouring for new national lockdown’.

The experts parting shot on yesterday’s Jeremy Vine show was
‘. . .well yes Jeremy, it is partly a political response, the advisers wanted a harder lockdown over Xmas and the politicians have seized on (scary mutant) to justify it’.

Jeremy let it pass without further comment.

316748 ▶▶ annie, replying to karenovirus, 7, #75 of 2163 🔗

Yes, an inspired decision, really had a beneficial effect, eh?

316752 ▶▶▶ karenovirus, replying to annie, 17, #76 of 2163 🔗

hancock only takes advice from advisers who agree with him

Telegraph YouTube today

316754 ▶▶▶▶ annie, replying to karenovirus, 7, #77 of 2163 🔗

Wankok and his fellow thugs only notice the WHO data if it suits them.
Could be a useful point to put to semizombies, however

317201 ▶▶▶▶▶ Jez Hewitt, replying to annie, 4, #78 of 2163 🔗

What makes my blood boil is if you take away the personal protection officers/SAS etc, these pussies would soon be partial to hearing alternative opinions.

They better hope this all goes to plan because if we can’t execute them they’ll be spending an awful long stretch as somebody’s girlfriend amongst a very willing and motivated new family.

317011 ▶▶ Chrissie, replying to karenovirus, 12, #79 of 2163 🔗

From the NERVTAG document:
“It was noted that VUI-202012/01 has demonstrated exponential growth during a period when national lockdown measures were in place.”
They just admitted lockdowns are useless.

318791 ▶▶▶ Ritchie2, replying to Chrissie, 1, #80 of 2163 🔗

Anyone else fed up of the continual use of ‘exponential’ in relation to C-19? This type of rapid growth has never been seen throughout the pandemic in any setting or country.

It seems this mathematical formula, indicating rapid and accelerated growth is being used to create fear. Seemingly rolled out whenever a new lockdown or restriction is announced.

318800 ▶▶▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Ritchie2, #81 of 2163 🔗

Will next years editions of dictionaries include the new meanings of Pandemic, Exponential and Vaccine ?

316722 Vinny, 12, #82 of 2163 🔗

Anyone thinking of attending a demo should check out the YouTube channel of a solicitor called Neil Heffey. Lots of useful information in case you get arrested!

316725 Sir Patrick Vaccine, replying to Sir Patrick Vaccine, 2, #83 of 2163 🔗

Coroner blasts COVID-19 death rates, calls data misleading
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bM7XaALbhwk

316741 ▶▶ Ceci, replying to Sir Patrick Vaccine, 2, #84 of 2163 🔗

Two of the covid deaths were from gunshot wounds

316762 ▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Sir Patrick Vaccine, 5, #85 of 2163 🔗

They have been lying about the actual cause of many deaths since before lockdown.
The key figure remains total 2020 mortality adjusted for lockdown induced suicide and death by NHS neglect both of which will rise long into the future.

316728 Sir Patrick Vaccine, replying to Sir Patrick Vaccine, 3, #86 of 2163 🔗

Sir Desmond Swayne Interview Exposes BBC Hypocrisy As They Help The Government Hide From Scrutiny
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cQiNXFfbGa0

316757 ▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Sir Patrick Vaccine, 3, #87 of 2163 🔗

Is it any surprise the Neil the Knob never did stand down from giving crap advice to our useless leaders.

316729 Sir Patrick Vaccine, 1, #88 of 2163 🔗

Morning
Captain Tom CANCELLED By Twitter Mob!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VaR4C9rgsXE

316732 Ceci, replying to Ceci, 3, #90 of 2163 🔗

Press release

Wales Tourist Board announce new initiative

A spokesperson said ‘,In these difficult times it important to support out tourist industry. We are there for turning the hole of Wales into a huge theme park

‘Stasiland 75’ will be a real life, real time, inmate centric experience for all the family

Special features will include police beatings, a despotic Marxist dictator, and daily propaganda announcements to give it that really authentic East German feel

The enhanced ‘Food and clothing shortage ‘ package will be available at no extra cost from early in terms new year

If you are booking for Christmas there are a few places on ‘ Get y

316733 ▶▶ Ceci, replying to Ceci, #91 of 2163 🔗

Apologies GCHQ have hacked my computer

316765 ▶▶▶ Judy Watson, replying to Ceci, #92 of 2163 🔗

Bloody hell.

316735 ▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Ceci, 3, #93 of 2163 🔗

They could reopen the coal mines to let the paying public watch captured sceptics slaving away for coal that nobody wants.

316750 ▶▶▶ annie, replying to karenovirus, 5, #94 of 2163 🔗

Coronacoal. Mutant coronacoal.

316749 ▶▶ annie, replying to Ceci, 9, #95 of 2163 🔗

‘The hole of Wales’ is spot on. One great, big, horrible hole with a sadistic megalomaniac stalinist tortoise squatting over it.

316767 ▶▶▶ Judy Watson, replying to annie, 2, #96 of 2163 🔗

Bit unfair to the tortoise but I know what you mean

316783 ▶▶▶▶ annie, replying to Judy Watson, 3, #97 of 2163 🔗

I have nothing against genuine tortoises, I do assure you!

316734 chaos, replying to chaos, 7, #98 of 2163 🔗

Everyday now.. with Boris in charge.. and the elite’s great reset/depression/fuck up affecting/hurting all around me.. I just keep thinking where would/could/should I tie the rope.. where is best.. not looking for ‘hang on in theres’.. just saying.

316740 ▶▶ Richard O, replying to chaos, 2, #99 of 2163 🔗

Hang on in there ” sounds about right for the rope thing! Sadly my flat doesn’t contain any suitable structures (I have checked thoroughly). Not as easy at it looks in the movies.

316751 ▶▶▶ annie, replying to Richard O, 2, #100 of 2163 🔗

We’ll find a way.

316763 ▶▶ karenovirus, replying to chaos, 19, #101 of 2163 🔗

From a tweet by Ben Bradshaw MP. Labour, Exeter.

316771 ▶▶▶ chaos, replying to karenovirus, 4, #102 of 2163 🔗

He can’t even look right in a suit.

316737 Albie, replying to Albie, 12, #103 of 2163 🔗

YouGov are claiming there is strong support for both Tier 4 and the Government’s scrapping of the relaxation rules. Absolute bollocks. There just isn’t! YouGov let slip their zealous stance in the summer.

316791 ▶▶ Recusant, replying to Albie, -3, #104 of 2163 🔗

I believe that there is massive support for Tier 4. People believe the bollocks because they want to believe. We are a remnant, and had better get used to it.

317058 ▶▶▶ Mark, replying to Recusant, 1, #105 of 2163 🔗

That’s still my impression as well. Though it’s not as bad as it was early on.

Too many people listen with apparent sympathy, make enthusiastic sounding criticisms of government, experts and policies, and can’t find arguments to respond to reason, but as soon as you are out of sight go back to meekly agreeing with the deluge of fear propaganda and blaming dissenters for the punishments inflicted by the regime.

And mask compliance is still near universal in the supermarkets around here.

318194 ▶▶▶▶ Borisbullshit, replying to Mark, 1, #106 of 2163 🔗

I think thats very true. Unless you are a very committed sceptic its hard to stand up to the media onslaught and the enormous pressure to keep within the herd. As the young men who ended up going to fight in the First World War….and never came back.

316836 ▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to Albie, 7, #107 of 2163 🔗

Don’t believe anything YouGov says, their polls are always rigged.

316866 ▶▶▶ Albie, replying to Bart Simpson, 5, #108 of 2163 🔗

Oh I don’t. It was founded by Nadhim Zahawi. Tory MP. Hardly impartial! Of course it will try to give the impression people are behind Boris.

317050 ▶▶▶▶ Burlington, replying to Albie, 8, #109 of 2163 🔗

People were behind Boris this time last year over Brexit. But now the true nature of the beast has been revealed, most of the people that were behind him would gladly push him off a very high cliff!

316850 ▶▶ Ovis, replying to Albie, 6, #110 of 2163 🔗

This is life in the DDR. The rules -as it were – are different now. The lies that can spaffed routinely over us are of a different order from the lies we were used to.

Sadly, Boris Honneker is more cynically and ruthlessly advised than Erich, and the regime is buoyed up by virtual international unanimity. There is no better life beyond the Iron Curtain.

316974 ▶▶▶ crimsonpirate, replying to Ovis, 5, #111 of 2163 🔗

it’s bit like the DDR being congratulated on building the Berlin wall

317537 ▶▶▶ Laurence, replying to Ovis, 2, #112 of 2163 🔗

Especially now the idiot King of Sweden and his prime minister have decided to override Tegnell – the one free country has now also fallen.

317693 ▶▶▶▶ Dale, replying to Laurence, #113 of 2163 🔗

There are no heroic countries, only heroes here and there.

316742 Steve, replying to Steve, 39, #114 of 2163 🔗

To be fair to NERVTAG, the minutes from their meeting on Friday do not suggest that they had swallowed much of the “dangerous mutant virus” narrative. The minutes actually suggest a high degree of caution and scepticism, including comments like their being “moderately convinced” by PHE’s case, and their summary makes it clear that they felt they did not have enough data to form too many conclusions, and that they expected better data to be available within 7 days. (After all, we are led to believe that they were discussing this on Friday, only a matter of days before Hancock first raised it as a potential problem.) What SAGE and the government did to sex-up these issues between lunchtime on Friday and the PM’s press conference on Saturday would have made even Alistair Campbell blush!

316780 ▶▶ Will, replying to Steve, 36, #115 of 2163 🔗

They did such an effective job we now run the risk of mass starvation. Well done the psych ops/ nudge team give yourselves a fucking chocolate biscuit.

316826 ▶▶▶ Carrie, replying to Will, 17, #116 of 2163 🔗

They’ve also succeeded in stranding British residents of other countries in the UK for the foreseeable future, since other countries are not letting people back in if they’re in the UK just now 😡 . I no longer live in the UK, but thanks to Boris I cannot go home after Christmas as I will not be admitted – even if I get tested on arrival…

317183 ▶▶▶ Jay Berger, replying to Will, 3, #117 of 2163 🔗

They’ll probably still pad themselves on the back or have ‘journos’ do that when millions have perished but ‘positives’ have started to fall.
We are clearly at the state of complete insanity having been reached with all major decisionmakers, ‘scientists’ and
‘journalists’.
Zero Vovid my a*rse.
Switch to the GBD. Now.
Look at its success on the ground, in reality, in Tübingen, FFS!

316851 ▶▶ swedenborg, replying to Steve, 17, #118 of 2163 🔗

I fully agree. Reading the minutes, it was shocking to see that there was no alarmist spin in the notes at all. Very much caution in the interpretation. This is a self-made political disaster. There is no need to blame the advisors this time. Another Fergusson hate diatribe is just another deflection method used by the government through their press contacts.

317341 ▶▶▶ RichardJames, replying to swedenborg, 4, #119 of 2163 🔗

Possibly, but the odious Ferguson has a face that I simply wouldn’t ever get tired of punching.

318390 ▶▶▶▶ annie, replying to RichardJames, 1, #120 of 2163 🔗

Even to imagine that cheers me up.

316991 ▶▶ Spikedee1, replying to Steve, 5, #121 of 2163 🔗

I don’t think there should be any doubt that this total balls up is totally this idiotic, unscientific governments decision. They have not got one single decision right. It is just out and out fear porn to keep people terrified. You are supposed to be in charge you are making decisions affecting millions of people and you only seem to get advice from one group of supposed scientists, then totally ignore and actively suppress anyone who counters your narrative. Well how is that science? The sun does not go round the earth……

317232 ▶▶ Lyra Silvertongue, replying to Steve, #122 of 2163 🔗

The varus can get you within 45 minutes!

316743 Ed Phillips, 34, #123 of 2163 🔗

These people are psychopaths.

316746 chaos, replying to chaos, 32, #124 of 2163 🔗

How the hell is Boris still PM? How the hell are the MP’s not demanding for parliament to resit?

316756 ▶▶ annie, replying to chaos, 10, #125 of 2163 🔗

You think the average Mumbler of Parliament give a s..t?
Sign the petition below and let’s force the poisonous little worms back on to the surface.

316761 ▶▶ Albie, replying to chaos, 21, #126 of 2163 🔗

The problem is the Tory MPs who can do something about it just moan. We moan but can’t do anything about it. They moan but can, yet don’t! He should be removed for circumventing Parliamentary scrutiny. He does it time and again and they let him get away with it.

316790 ▶▶ Pebbles, replying to chaos, 16, #127 of 2163 🔗

I am thinking to start a petition to call for BoJo et al to resign and the Tory Rebels to take over… who would sign?

316829 ▶▶▶ Carrie, replying to Pebbles, 12, #128 of 2163 🔗

Would rather someone like Sumption took over. Will NEVER vote Tory again, whovever took over from Boris

316808 ▶▶ TJN, replying to chaos, 17, #129 of 2163 🔗

My ‘MP’, the former Attorney General, is earning nearly half a million quid a year for legal services (nice work if you can get it). So in effect he’s not an MP at all but a lawyer.

He doesn’t appear to give a toss about covid or even to know anything about it. Instead it seems he pays assistants a few scraps to regurgitate platitude and cliche when they can be bothered to reply to letters at all.

When looking for the villains isn this pantomime we mustn’t forget that there are about 600 of them in the House of Commons. And I don’t recall a squeak of protest coming from that other august institution, the House of Lords.

316874 ▶▶ Ben, replying to chaos, 11, #130 of 2163 🔗

You think anyone else would be different? (Keir Starmer is worse.) There’s only one person in the world who said ‘No’ to any of this – Alexander Lukashenko

316938 ▶▶ Basileus, replying to chaos, 16, #131 of 2163 🔗

I sent this to Sir Graham Brady yesterday:

Some weeks ago I suggested that it was time for the ‘men in grey suits’ to be sent to Johnson and Hancock. It seems to me now that men in white coats may be more appropriate.’

316753 theanalyst, replying to theanalyst, 11, #133 of 2163 🔗

Just found a rare statement on-line that natural immunity to Covid exists. Boris won’t like that. Heads will no doubt have to roll at University of Lancaster.

“If you have tested positive for Covid-19 in the 90 days prior to your planned test, you are likely to have developed some immunity, and therefore taking a repeat Lateral Flow Test is not necessary.” Buried somewhere on this page.

https://www.uclan.ac.uk/students/news/student-covid-testing.php

316788 ▶▶ TJS123, replying to theanalyst, 12, #134 of 2163 🔗

Yes, this is what we’re told in the NHS where we have lateral flow tests twice a week. If you do test positive, its then “confirmed” by PCR, and after isolating you don’t have to do the test for 90 days. So this is widely known and underpins testing practice. Odd if Boris doesn’t know this.

316867 ▶▶ Ben, replying to theanalyst, 7, #135 of 2163 🔗

COVID is not a disease. It’s an acronym for symptoms of coronaviruses – flu, the common cold.

316759 Steve Martindale, replying to Steve Martindale, 55, #136 of 2163 🔗

More talk on the news about the NHS being overwhelmed, this issue raises a few points;

1, Since when did we agree that our human rights, civil liberties and hard won freedoms were a trade off with the NHS? I feel this is an important and fundamental issue and needs to be vigorously challenged. Any MP that does not feel this is not worthy of being in the so called ‘Mother of Parliaments’, by my reckoning this is most of them. The protect the NHS slogan seems more to be about politicians trying to avoid the public opprobrium that would come their way if the sacred NHS was perceived to be overwhelmed.

2, Are our hospitals organised properly? The figures on people catching Covid in hospital are backed up by people I know who report being in hospital and people around them catching Covid. Should there be separate ‘Covid’ and non-covid hospitals?

3, Why are people in hospital for Covid? At the height of the Spring first wave there were over 3000 people on ventilators but now, whilst hospital numbers are climbing the number on ventilator is much less, about 1300. I gather some Covid patients are receiving oxygen treatments but I doubt that is all of them. I do feel that we might have squandered the opportunity we had in the summer to develop effective treatments for Covid so that people would not need hospital admission. As serious covid is predominantly amongst older people I do wonder if the number of Covid patients in hospital is inflated by the so called ‘bed blockers’ i.e. old people who are too frail and fragile to be discharged even though they would otherwise be OK to go home?

There is a part of me that thinks it would be good if the NHS was overwhelmed, it might bring down a few politicians and it would beg a dramatic and long overdue reform of the delivery of healthcare in the UK.

316770 ▶▶ Steve, replying to Steve Martindale, 12, #137 of 2163 🔗

You’re right, of course. My wife works at a local NHS general hospital where the staff are up in arms because they were not notified of a serious Covid outbreak in the Spinal Injuries Unit in November, which led a fatality. Presumably for cost reasons, modern hospitals like hers were rarely designed to promote infection control (for instance the corridors are too narrow to allow people to maintain effective social distancing when passing patients on trolleys) and the staff in adjacent departments felt that their health and safety had been compromise by the hospital’s failure to come clean over the infection in the SIU. (My wife contracted Covid-19 in November, presumably at work. Thankfully, she and I have both recovered fully.)

316871 ▶▶▶ SweetBabyCheeses, replying to Steve, 27, #138 of 2163 🔗

FFS you don’t catch a virus because the corridors are too narrow. This is the sort of messed up thinking that leads to people jumping out of the way of each other and facing the corners in the lift.

316995 ▶▶▶▶ Two-Six, replying to SweetBabyCheeses, 11, #139 of 2163 🔗

I just had an image of being on a trolley in a hospital being pushed through corridors and every one I pass is fiddling with their face masks, turning away, stepping into broom cupboards, and covering their face with their hand as I go past.
People are SICK.

Narrow corridors, ffs.

316772 ▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Steve Martindale, 36, #140 of 2163 🔗

The real reason “the NHS is under threat of being overwhelmed by the covid”, as the BBC are constantly reminding us, is because of staff absences.
I reported last week of 1,000 absent staff from my large regional hospital either because they are ‘ill’, shielding or caring for shielding children sent home from school on some flimsy pretext so the teachers could go home.

Alex Belfied YouTube puts the National total at 90,000.

Government “the NHS is in danger of being overwhelmed” Remember the story about the boy kept shouting Wolf ! ?

316801 ▶▶ TJS123, replying to Steve Martindale, 8, #141 of 2163 🔗

As people arent tested until they reach hospital, there no way to segregate them before the results arrive unless they’re showing symptoms. Some hospitals have the luxury of single rooms but most don’t. Also people need to move through the hospital for xrays etc, and as we know, masks don’t work.
This time around, much more outpatient work is continuing, thankfully, which means large numbers of untested people coming in and out of the building.
Though many people would prefer to say NHS procedures are at fault, it simply isnt true, the above factors are the reason.
There is also a highly precautionary approach in primary care where people aren’t seen face to face, just sent into hospital. Our admission figures show a very quick turnaround with these precautionary admissions only staying a day or two as they are not unwell enough to stay on hospital. But it does mean admission figures are higher. Outcomes and length of stay also need to be taken into account.

316811 ▶▶▶ karenovirus, replying to TJS123, 7, #142 of 2163 🔗

Patients with prior appointments have to go to a special NHS only testing station the day before.
Inconveniently located nowhere near the hospital out beyond the by-pass.

317079 ▶▶▶ Kevin 2, replying to TJS123, 9, #143 of 2163 🔗

Most reasonable folk (who understand the current realities) exercise the precautionary principle and go nowhere near a hospital without a genuine necessity.

NHS procedures are at fault, because the protocols based on PCR testing are at fault. If you are admitted due to any condition other than Covid, you will still be tested. And if you pick up a false positive, you will then be moved to a Covid ward, leading to your required treatment being compromised. And perhaps expose you to a real risk of virus infection. Hence the approximately 30% of Covid ‘infections’ (read PCR positive) being currently detected in hospital. But there is no way of knowing what proportion of these are real nosocomial infections. Probably just a small fraction.
This is the inherent uselessness of the PCR test. It really tells you nothing.
The sensible thing to do would be to conduct a lateral flow test immediately on arrival/admission, allowing for an immediately informed bed allocation, where admission is necessary. And back this up with a confirmatory PCR test at 30 cycles, if you really must.
I’m quite sure that many individuals who turn up at A and E with any indicative Covid symptoms are admitted for observation at least overnight, where again a quick lateral flow test would give a ready indication of infection status, and prevent unwarranted admission.

But any rational solutions that lessen panic or disruption are deliberately avoided.
The system is designed to fail.

316817 ▶▶ DeepBlueYonder, replying to Steve Martindale, 12, #144 of 2163 🔗

“Are our hospitals organised properly?”

There are around 4,122 adult critical care beds in England. This seems a ludicrously small number of critical care beds for a country (England) with a population of 56,287,000 – a country with a relatively high median age. The system must be teetering on the brink of being “overwhelmed” the whole time. A feature, not a bug.

I sometimes wonder whether the cost of maintaining twice, three or ten times that number of adult critical care beds over the last twenty to thirty years would have been less than the amount we have spent this year on responding to SARS-CoV2.

316841 ▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to Steve Martindale, 12, #145 of 2163 🔗

There’s a lot to be said about specialist hospitals and convalescent homes which existed in the past but have now gone in the way of the dodo.

If we still had those I get the feeling that the NHS would have coped with this properly.

317894 ▶▶▶ Rowan, replying to Bart Simpson, 3, #146 of 2163 🔗

There is only a contrived crisis. Covid-19 is at a minimum 99% scam and it’s all being done so that people will volunteer for the genocidal vaccines.

316944 ▶▶ AN other lockdown sceptic, replying to Steve Martindale, 9, #147 of 2163 🔗

Very good questions. I’ve been thinking along similar lines.

The NHS has been broken for many years. Both my wife and I have lived on the continent, in Belgium and France. Both systems are considerably better on many levels.

Back in March when we were told it was all about not putting the NHS under strain, my view was that the Tories/Al Johnson panicked that their inability over 10 years to face into the structural and funding issues within the NHS would be revealed. Many months on, I still think that is a large part of their political motivation for this shitshow.

317911 ▶▶▶ Rowan, replying to AN other lockdown sceptic, 3, #148 of 2163 🔗

It doesn’t matter what the structural or funding issues are in the NHS, there would still be a crisis because that’s what the government wants. The government’s wants us all injected with the intentionally genocidal Covid-19 vaccines and everything it does is to further that aim. It’s all preparation for the WEF’s Great Reset and UN Agenda 2030.

317015 ▶▶ PastImperfect, replying to Steve Martindale, 13, #149 of 2163 🔗

There would be just a fraction of the number of C-19 patients in hospital if HCO and Ivermectin treatments were not denied by as a political scam by the ‘government’.

317023 ▶▶▶ Kevin 2, replying to PastImperfect, 8, #150 of 2163 🔗

Indeed, and no need for a vaccine.

317028 ▶▶ Spikedee1, replying to Steve Martindale, 26, #151 of 2163 🔗

Am I the only person who keeps thinking that it is not my job to keep the NHS safe it is their job to protect me. If they cannot do this then shut the fucking place down and come up with something that is fit for purpose. The amount you have spent on track and trace and furlough would have meant we could all have carried on as usual if you spent that money on hiring and training more nurses. The truth is most of the money spent on the nhs seems to go to people in suits that spend all day on computers and have no idea about anything to do with saving a life. Next to my old workplace was an NHS site filled with about 700 people all wearing suits and never leaving this building. I saw about one nurses uniform in the five years I worked there. Looking at their car park none of them were badly paid, what benefit do these people give to sick people?

317587 ▶▶ PWL, replying to Steve Martindale, #152 of 2163 🔗

“The figures on people catching Covid in hospital are backed up by people I know who report being in hospital and people around them catching Covid.”

How many people in hospital can you possibly know so that it can back up the statistics?

ICNARC, which is ignored by the controlled opposition, has never suggested that hospitals have ever been overwhelmed.

Covid-19 In A Nutshell

318282 ▶▶ angry medical student, replying to Steve Martindale, 3, #153 of 2163 🔗

the NHS is a socialist monstrosity, even if it was funded properly it would still perform terribly. goes without saying that the staff are not the issue, the overall structure and management is. it is an international laggard and embarrasment, read Kristian Niemitz ‘ universal healthcare without the NHS’. no other country has a health system that’s population must protect it rather than the other way round. it is a disgrace yet worshipped. this populace has stockholm syndrome regarding the NHS , helped by relentless propaganda.

316760 Recusant, replying to Recusant, 49, #154 of 2163 🔗

I’ve changed my mind, I’m now totally pro-lockdown. My mother-in-law has decided not to come to spend Christmas with us because Boris says so. Destroying the economy was worth it after all.

316782 ▶▶ annie, replying to Recusant, 26, #155 of 2163 🔗

I think it is. I used to spend the entire Christmas period with gritted teeth as my mother-in-law took over my house, my husband and, far as possible, my life.
That said, I’d rather go through it all again than have Stalin Dungford telling me who can and cannot come to my house.

317034 ▶▶▶ Spikedee1, replying to annie, 10, #156 of 2163 🔗

I love the, “I bought my mother in law a chair for Christmas, ungrateful bitch still hasn’t plugged it in.”

317840 ▶▶ richard riewer, replying to Recusant, #157 of 2163 🔗

Ernie K. Doe – Mother-in-Law 1961
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6EN5eJf5h_k

316764 TC, replying to TC, 2, #158 of 2163 🔗

Thank you for the Smalley & Oldfield document.
I have saved it on my PC.
Do we know when they expect to receive a response as I| think it will be a rare opportunity for scientific debate if they do and it can be published…or am I being too hopeful…still it’s Christmas whatever the Prime Muppet says.

317010 ▶▶ Two-Six, replying to TC, 3, #159 of 2163 🔗

Sally Oldfield Mirrors
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7-jzTSm-0hk
Kin ell remember that one?
“We are perfect”!

A theme tune for the Illuminate along with “Age of Aquarius”

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kjxSCAalsBE

This agenda has been in the pipeline for a LONG time.

317045 ▶▶ Spikedee1, replying to TC, 1, #160 of 2163 🔗

Off topic, I remember seeing Mike when he performed side one of tubular bells, back in the day when the BBC was good. Don’t know if it was an ogwt special? The original shoe gaze, never looked up once. I think I’ll dig that out and have a listen.

317531 ▶▶▶ Edward, replying to Spikedee1, 1, #161 of 2163 🔗

I don’t think it was an OGWT, I think it was a one-off or maybe an arts programme like Arena if that existed in those days. I once went to a live performance of the orchestral Tubular Bells with Steve Hillage as the guitar soloist.

317790 ▶▶▶▶ Ed Turnbull, replying to Edward, #162 of 2163 🔗

It was indeed a one-off special on 30th December 1973, a time when the world made sense. And Steve Hillage was one of the musicians (he’s wearing the pink and blue beanie) in that performance. Here’s the link
https://youtu.be/KXatvzWAzLU Enjoy!

316773 Laurence, replying to Laurence, 5, #163 of 2163 🔗

I have run through the US death numbers up to week 46 (latest reliable figures) and the excess death rate, adjusting for population growth and ageing, is around 10%.

However, this is clearly not an effect of Covid, at least not the disease. But it is most likely the effect of the hysteria surrounding it – just read the New York Times any day to see an example.

The reason I say this so categorically ? 57.65% of excess deaths are in the under 75 age groups. If it were just COVID related it would be around 30%.

316776 ▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Laurence, 5, #164 of 2163 🔗

See yesterday’s roundup, San Francisco Chronicle reporting huge increase in drugs overdosing leading to many times more deaths than the inflated numbers for Covid.

317054 ▶▶▶ Spikedee1, replying to karenovirus, 2, #165 of 2163 🔗

Not surprising, just saw a video of a guy at muscle beach and golds gym in LA. All closed down and surrounded by a sea of homeless tents.

317857 ▶▶▶▶ richard riewer, replying to Spikedee1, 1, #166 of 2163 🔗

People used to live along the beaches of California in the 50s and 60s.
Most of their shaks were made from string, milk cartons and tin cans. Free rent.

316804 ▶▶ mhcp, replying to Laurence, 4, #167 of 2163 🔗

10% though it within typical swings over decades. If it were 2 or 3 times more then that’s serious.

316774 J Cook, replying to J Cook, 4, #168 of 2163 🔗

Ive uploaded yesterdays interview with Desmond Swayne (BBC Radio 4 – The Today Programme) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AyB73rUvZMw&t

316785 ▶▶ karenovirus, replying to J Cook, 9, #169 of 2163 🔗

Thank goodness for the few MPs such as Sir Desmond still ready to put the truth out there.
Clearly he has no hope of advancement within this putrid government.

316879 ▶▶▶ Seamonster, replying to karenovirus, 3, #170 of 2163 🔗

Why would anyone want to be a part of this farce of a government. He has consistently been talking sense.

317060 ▶▶▶ Spikedee1, replying to karenovirus, 2, #171 of 2163 🔗

Did you hear how the bbc presenter was batting for the home team. My god the quicker we can shut down all the bbc the quicker this will all end.

316775 PatrickF, replying to PatrickF, 6, #172 of 2163 🔗

Breaking News: Mutant Ninja Turtle virus eats all our lettuce! Army called in to protect our sprouts.

316778 ▶▶ karenovirus, replying to PatrickF, 3, #173 of 2163 🔗

Kale might be a minority interest but they still deserve our love and support.

316779 ▶▶▶ annie, replying to karenovirus, 2, #174 of 2163 🔗

Save our carrots!

316793 ▶▶ Stephanos, replying to PatrickF, 7, #175 of 2163 🔗

I have never understood the fascination for sprouts so I am not particularly interested in saving them. I always insist on a Brexit Christmas dinner – no Brussels.

316799 ▶▶▶ wendyk, replying to Stephanos, 2, #176 of 2163 🔗

Same here!

316842 ▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to Stephanos, 3, #177 of 2163 🔗

Hear, hear!! No Brussels allowed in our house either.

317511 ▶▶▶▶ Johnb, replying to Bart Simpson, #178 of 2163 🔗

Despite their name, they are seriously healthy things. A cabbage in miniature is your sprout !

318405 ▶▶▶▶▶ annie, replying to Johnb, #179 of 2163 🔗

Cook until just tender but not mushy, add some chopped roasted. chestnuts, toss in butter with a little black pepper. Yum.

316784 annie, replying to annie, 4, #180 of 2163 🔗

The glorious Andrew Lawrence bas been busy on Youtube. Go and feast!

316786 ▶▶ wendyk, replying to annie, 2, #181 of 2163 🔗

He’s a sanity saver! Wonderful!

316843 ▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to annie, 1, #182 of 2163 🔗

Have been enjoying his stuff. A tonic for the nerves!

316787 chaos, replying to chaos, 9, #183 of 2163 🔗

Morning regime to try and stem anxiety caused by Boris:
37mg Venlafaxine, 1g magnesium malate, 20g inositol, 6g glycine, 3g beta-alanine, 1g taurine, 1g acetyl carnitine, 500mg thenanine, high dose b-complex with methyl folate, 2g vitamin C… venlafaxine was much higher but it made me more ill…

Please stop the government hurting us.

316797 ▶▶ wendyk, replying to chaos, 2, #184 of 2163 🔗

Hibiscus tea will help,as will a daily B12 , magnesium gel and a daily teaspoonful of ground linseed.

I wouldn’t actually take any of the things on your list, although I appreciate that they are helping you, but my favourites are safer and recommended.

316812 ▶▶▶ Recusant, replying to wendyk, 1, #185 of 2163 🔗

While I am sure that your advice is well intended, and I agree with your reservations about some of these drugs, I presume that these have been prescribed by a doctor and I think that people should listen to their GP rather than people they haven’t met on the internet.

317155 ▶▶▶▶ Kevin 2, replying to Recusant, 3, #186 of 2163 🔗

Personally, I think solely listening to one’s GP is not a good idea. You simply cannot have a quality consultation in 10 mins anyway. And that was when face-to-face consultations were the norm. We all know the quick resort to the prescription pad syndrome.
Doing one’s own medical research online makes perfect sense to me.
More so now than ever.
I knew that immune-supporting Vit C, Vit D, and Zinc were ideal prophylaxis (not just for Covid) a very long time ago. No GP told me that.
Doing personal research is essential if you receive a cancer diagnosis, I believe.
You just need to exercise a critical and discriminating mind.
I am much more suspicious of the typical BBC line about not listening to those ‘charlatan selling supplements’
And if you read up about prescription inducements, opioid epidemics, Vioxx deaths and the like, you may reach a similar conclusion.
The pervasive (and often malign) influence of Big Pharma is real.

317205 ▶▶▶▶▶ wendyk, replying to Kevin 2, #187 of 2163 🔗

Quite agree,which is why my list of recommended remedies was posted: many years of experiencing horrible iatrogenic side effects ,led me to tackle hypertension, anxiety and depression by means of research and experiment.

It took several years and some false starts, but I got there in the end, and have no regrets.

This is by no means to indicate that I never believe doctors; I’ve been fortunate enough in recent years to have met some really good ones whose expertise benefited me, but they are,sadly, outnumbered by the less impressive and rather arrogant variety.

317283 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Recusant, replying to wendyk, #188 of 2163 🔗

That is fair enough, but making medical recommendations online for someone you have never met can have unintended consequences. Your advice can be very good in general, but not necessarily for the particular recipient.

317366 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ wendyk, replying to Recusant, 2, #189 of 2163 🔗

It’s advice, not a prescription and meant with good intentions. Advice can be accepted or ignored, depending on an individual’s judgement and experience.

Many of us on this site have exchanged advice and offers of help and support over the past months.

317502 ▶▶▶▶ Johnb, replying to Recusant, 1, #190 of 2163 🔗

What, ’bout things like covid ?! Ffs.

316818 ▶▶ Gareth, replying to chaos, 1, #192 of 2163 🔗

225mg Venlafaxine more-or-less works for me!

316819 ▶▶ annie, replying to chaos, 2, #193 of 2163 🔗

PG Tips works for me.
Try a hot-water bottle on the tum, it helps loosen those knots.

316915 ▶▶ Thomas_E, replying to chaos, 1, #194 of 2163 🔗

I’m on the 70mg of Venlafaxine for my CPTSD…still fell like shit most of the days..

316972 ▶▶ Sue, replying to chaos, #195 of 2163 🔗

a bottle of red wine does just as good a job!!

316977 ▶▶ Crystal Decanter, replying to chaos, 2, #196 of 2163 🔗

Speed
Lots of it
Has always knocked every virus on the head in the past
Even flu

317030 ▶▶▶ Two-Six, replying to Crystal Decanter, 1, #197 of 2163 🔗

Intravenous chilled Hydrazine in the morning does it for me every time.

316789 Benj, replying to Benj, 16, #198 of 2163 🔗

Charles Walker MP with a scathing attack on the latest restrictions and those responsible;

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mJluyXUCY2Q

317066 ▶▶ Spikedee1, replying to Benj, 2, #199 of 2163 🔗

He has been a class act for the past few months.

316792 Simon, 15, #200 of 2163 🔗

Ferguson never ceased being a member of Sage. His name was never removed from the list of advisors on the Gov uk website, despite this list being updated during the summer. I wrote to my Tory MP several times over the summer months about the continued infatuation with Ferguson, all to no avail and no reply.

316794 wendyk, replying to wendyk, 14, #201 of 2163 🔗

As this dismal,chaotic, dysfunctional year draws to a close, let us remember the architects of this horrendous melange: The Chuckle Brothers-(Whitty and Vallance); Dr Strangelove-(Ferguson,modeller extraordinaire); Shuttlecock-( Tears for Fears); The Sturgeonator-(the UK’s Tartan Nemesis); Dredgeford-(children’s toys and games verboten); Boris-(now you see him, now you don’t).

As for the sane voices in the Covid wilderness: Toby, Delingpole, Dr John Lee, Professor Gupta, Professor Bhattacharya,Professor Kulldorff, Professor Heneghan, Simon Dolan, Lord Sumption, Professor Levitt,Peter Hitchens,the AIER, Ivor Cummins, Dr Malcolm Kendrick,Dr Clare Craig, Sir Desmond Swayne and many more.

316832 ▶▶ anon, replying to wendyk, 3, #202 of 2163 🔗

don’t forget cummings

316839 ▶▶▶ wendyk, replying to anon, #203 of 2163 🔗

Well said; I’d forgotten !

316868 ▶▶▶▶ wendyk, replying to wendyk, #204 of 2163 🔗

Keep adding to the list folks

316863 ▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to wendyk, 7, #205 of 2163 🔗

Don’t forget Piers Morgan as well and the rest of the MSM who help got us into this mess.

316864 ▶▶ Ben, replying to wendyk, 4, #206 of 2163 🔗

The architects – the world banks, WHO, UN, IMF, WEF, Pharma, Bill Gates, etc…

316959 ▶▶ Basics, replying to wendyk, 1, #207 of 2163 🔗

Krankie fishface and devi my eyes always look evil but wait till you see me crunch out a smile sirdhar.

Burnham of Eyebrows.
Burley of Africa.
Calderwood of Fife.
Leech of honorary Doctorate (for what?)
Tedros Genocide.
Cresessida social shaming Dick of common purpose and De Menez.

316796 PatrickF, replying to PatrickF, 9, #208 of 2163 🔗

Dear Boris,

I’ve supported your handling of the pandemic from the start, as without a lockdown the NHS would be over run and we’d all die.
I’d be very grateful if we could have more deaths from Covid-19 than I read about.

Could you ask Whitty, Vallance and Jean Claude Van Dam to model this?

I ask this because of the Mutant Ninja Turtle Sceptic Virus that has affected my neighbour, who refuses to keep 2 miles away from me.
Keep up the good work!

Verity Mollusc.

316890 ▶▶ Trixie, replying to PatrickF, 2, #209 of 2163 🔗

I read that in Humphrey Lyttelton’s voice. Thank you.

316798 Tim Bidie, replying to Tim Bidie, 17, #210 of 2163 🔗

The regular cave-ins to the public sector NHS management/SAGE stooges is reminiscent of nothing less than the Heath government, but without the musical or yachting ability.

There is an easy to use litmus test as to whether overall all cause mortality has risen due to a raging mutant covvidy monster virus or due to government interventions using the public sector NHS monolith as a conduit.

If covvidy monster was to blame, mortality outcomes would have risen across the board in all areas.

If government interventions were to blame, mortality would be localised to areas of maximum deprivation, maximum economic and social vulnerability.

And, hey presto, what do we see?:

‘In England, the year-to-date (March to November 2020) mortality rate for deaths due to COVID-19 in the most deprived areas was 252.0 deaths per 100,000 people, this was nearly three times the mortality rate in the least deprived areas (89.7 deaths per 100,000 people).’

https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunity/birthsdeathsandmarriages/deaths/bulletins/monthlymortalityanalysisenglandandwales/november2020

It would be interesting to apply the exact same litmus test to the U.S.A. to see if the result is the same…..?

You know it will be…….

316928 ▶▶ D B, replying to Tim Bidie, 3, #211 of 2163 🔗

This is the insight I come to this site for, wish there was more of it above the line.

316802 Bill Grates, replying to Bill Grates, 14, #212 of 2163 🔗

Hot off the press. This is one of a slew of policy forums over at the WEF where unelected groups of “experts” and influencers are busy shaping our futures.

Its well worth researching the individuals and their origins to see the interconnected nature of all this.

This one is a real favourite with the govts because it gives an easy route to id passes and all the benefits that will bring .

https://www.weforum.org/agenda/2020/12/how-can-essential-movement-of-people-and-goods-be-restored-during-covid-19-updates-on-commontrust-network/

and for anyone still doubting where the controlling hands are , here’s some background on the pass systems presently in play, oh and yes Mr Gates does figure quite highly along with a number of other well known personalities:-

https://humansarefree.com/2020/10/your-post-covid-life-will-be-controlled-by-track-trace-apps-funded-by-the-rockefeller-clinton-foundations.html

316861 ▶▶ Ben, replying to Bill Grates, 6, #213 of 2163 🔗

That’s exactly what this is about. It’s a way for governments to control us and for pharma and tech industries to secure profits indefinitely (at our expense). Bill Gates is moving his business-model to humans

317044 ▶▶▶ Two-Six, replying to Ben, 1, #214 of 2163 🔗

Like his operating systems, the product can be replicated an infinite number of times, is easy to distribute, costs nothing to produce and a charge can be applied to the product that can be of any size and then updated can be rolled out indefinitely

317938 ▶▶▶▶ richard riewer, replying to Two-Six, #215 of 2163 🔗

Humans have been part of BG’s business model for almost forty years. He’s just diversifying his portfolio. Mickey Mouse OS.

317906 ▶▶ richard riewer, replying to Bill Grates, #216 of 2163 🔗

Hack them.

316803 mhcp, replying to mhcp, 21, #217 of 2163 🔗

It’s not surprising that the scientific advisors are coming up with more scare stories and projections. It’s in their interest to be relevant. You see the same thing with climate science.

Also these are modellers with few it seems having any grounding in industry and accountability. They just can’t wait to get in the media. And politicians are woefully naive about auditing models and method.

Hence we get this circle jerk of doom.

It would laughable if it weren’t so damaging.

316814 ▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to mhcp, 22, #218 of 2163 🔗

I’ve long believed that this crisis has become showbusiness for psychopaths, ugly people and control freaks.

They’re now reluctant to relinquish their 15 minutes of fame.

Time for them to do an exit stage right.

316816 ▶▶ TJN, replying to mhcp, 11, #219 of 2163 🔗

An absolutely obvious point which one would think hardly needs stating.

I fail entirely to see how how anyone with a scientific or engineering background can’t see through this straight away.

316855 ▶▶▶ mhcp, replying to TJN, 9, #220 of 2163 🔗

One of the most humbling things as you get older doing science and engineering is that you really really know nothing in that much detail. And very often the minutae you worried about mean nothing in the end. Something else counteracts.

It’s like the surfing wisdom of “One day you’ll realise that you need to go where the wave takes you, not where you want to wave to go. And when you do you’ll have a much better ride”

316898 ▶▶▶▶ TJN, replying to mhcp, 6, #221 of 2163 🔗

I think engineers differ from scientists in that to the engineer it’s what works that is paramount. Whenever an engineer sees data, or a hypothesis, or a system, the question is always: what is the practical use of this? Sort of like your surfing hypothesis.

To view this shitshow from an engineering perspective is to see through it straight away.

But engineering has long been an unfashionable discipline and qualification.

316936 ▶▶▶▶▶ Yawnyaman, replying to TJN, 1, #222 of 2163 🔗

There are no engineers on SAGE. I’m not sure there are any in Parliament

317259 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ TJN, replying to Yawnyaman, #223 of 2163 🔗

Steve Baker is a B. Eng., although appears to have concentrated on computing.

316856 ▶▶ Ben, replying to mhcp, 6, #224 of 2163 🔗

‘Relevance’ is not the name of the game. Wearing us down so that we accept new terms and conditions for life is what this is about – accept endless vaccines and immunity passports etc Something people wouldn’t normally accept

317081 ▶▶ Spikedee1, replying to mhcp, 4, #225 of 2163 🔗

It’s a problem of focus. SAGE and the chuckle brothers see one problem, covid. They have no idea about cancer deaths, heart disease, liver and lung problems, unemployment, suicide, depression, obesity, firms going into liquidation. None of these things matter to them. It is supposed to be the grown ups that take this data, digest it and then look at the big picture and make the correct call. Unfortunately the grown ups are thick as shit and are letting these so called experts make the decisions.

317170 ▶▶▶ Kevin 2, replying to Spikedee1, 4, #226 of 2163 🔗

To SAGE, their backers (read Gates and Wellcome), and their ilk, Covid is not a problem; it’s a not to be missed opportunity.
They know all about the collateral health damage, but they they disregard it.

316805 common conservative, replying to common conservative, 24, #227 of 2163 🔗

Isn’t it patently obvious that this utterly inept government and its terminally hopeless advisers have manufactured the urgency surrounding this mutation and its rate of transmissibility in order to bolster their wider narrative and further justify their own actions? A narrative within a narrative.

Here we have yet another ad hoc argument thrown together by cretins in order to try to justify their behaviour and cover over their extreme cretinism. It’s narratives all the way down.

Please, tell me I’m wrong.

316815 ▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to common conservative, 11, #228 of 2163 🔗

They’re still using the same tactics over and over again. Now its the Teenage Mutant Ninja Virus.

Sadly enough people have still fallen for their scam.

317071 ▶▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Bart Simpson, 1, #229 of 2163 🔗

Teenage Mutanr Ninja Virus attacking the cheeldren this time.

317419 ▶▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to karenovirus, 1, #230 of 2163 🔗

Its funny how they seen to always trying to pin this on the kiddies since Day One.

When will they realise that it doesn’t happen that way?

316849 ▶▶ Ben, replying to common conservative, 11, #231 of 2163 🔗

Ineptitude and incompetence again. Funny how it’s happening all over the world.

They know what they’re doing.

317305 ▶▶ Kevin 2, replying to common conservative, 1, #232 of 2163 🔗

You’re not wrong.

316807 wendyk, replying to wendyk, 9, #233 of 2163 🔗

‘Bottled ‘air at £25 a pop, reminds me of the organic bottled water craze doing the rounds amongst celebs and yummy mummies a few years ago.

Fraudsters and profiteering make the most of the credulous: do your bit, stop the spread, wear a mask everywhere and follow the snake oil by buying purified bottled air.

Alternatively, be a heretic and breathe in, breathe out, without encumbrance. Much cheaper and proven to be effective over millions of years.

316853 ▶▶ Tom Blackburn, replying to wendyk, 3, #234 of 2163 🔗

Reminds me of The Lorax

316820 annie, 2, #235 of 2163 🔗

Racing towards 10,000 when the little s…ts at least have to respond.

316822 Steve Martindale, replying to Steve Martindale, 52, #236 of 2163 🔗

Just listening to Mark Dolan on talk radio, not impressed! an enthusiast for more and more testing and likes Kier Starmer. His supposed sceptic comments sound a bit hollow to me.
Or perhaps after 9 months of this I have just got too hard line. I think I have come round to thinking that almost nothing justifies giving up our human rights, civil liberties and freedoms, once lost they are very hard to get back. I have tried to follow the data and the stats and the arguments but I have come round to the view that I am quite prepared for the hospitals to be overwhelmed, for dead bodies to pile up on street corners and for people to suffer long covid, none of it justifies lockdowns, loss of civil liberties and restrictions on freedom of movement.
One way or another Covid will pass away but it is going to be very hard to get back our rights, liberties and freedoms.

316844 ▶▶ Ben, replying to Steve Martindale, 23, #237 of 2163 🔗

I agree. The science is just smoke and distraction.

Human rights have to come first, otherwise life has no value.

316902 ▶▶▶ annie, replying to Ben, 13, #238 of 2163 🔗

To Fascists and Stalinists, human life has no value.

316846 ▶▶ mhcp, replying to Steve Martindale, 17, #239 of 2163 🔗

No Steve don’t worry you are right. There has never been justification for any of this. The key is always How did they measure that? In my career I’ve seen so many people just fall for theory and models without actually looking at reality.

Because more often than not the solution is to make small adjustments and let the system take care of itself. A lot of intellectutals don’t like this. We need to DO SOMETHING!!!

And what happens? They fuck it all up and then stand back and say “well we didn’t know”

316823 NorthumbrianNomad, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, 6, #240 of 2163 🔗

The borders slamming shut again because of a variant that may spread a bit more easily amounts to a global campaign of “stay at home. Protect our social distancing measures. Stop living.”

316859 ▶▶ Carrie, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, 3, #241 of 2163 🔗

Not just ’stay at home’ – residents of other countries who are currently in the UK, are being prevented from returning home….

316931 ▶▶▶ NorthumbrianNomad, replying to Carrie, 9, #242 of 2163 🔗

International travel is being prevented and nobody gives a toss. Travel is not just about holidays. It’s a fundamental right.

Article 13(2) of the Universal Declaration of Human Rights 1948 states: “everyone has the right to leave any country, including his own, and to return to his country”

316913 ▶▶ annie, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, 4, #243 of 2163 🔗

Sod them.
I winjt stay at home, I don’t give a fart for antisocial distancing, and I won’t stop living.
End of.

316824 Tom Blackburn, 3, #244 of 2163 🔗

Manchester Evening News: Sacha Lord says Government has tried to place ‘gagging’ clause on his legal battle over pubs.
https://www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/whats-on/whats-on-news/government-tries-place-gagging-clause-19496449

316825 calchas, 5, #245 of 2163 🔗

“Much of the following list has been put together by data engineer Ivor Cummins , who has waged a year-long educational effort to upend intellectual support for lockdowns. AIER has added its own and the summaries. The upshot is that the virus is going to do as viruses do, same as always in the history of infectious disease. We have extremely limited control over them, and that which we do have is bound up with time and place. Fear, panic, and coercion are not ideal strategies for managing viruses. Intelligence and medical therapeutics fare much better”

https://www.zerohedge.com/covid-19/lockdowns-do-not-control-coronavirus-evidence

316827 Bart Simpson, replying to Bart Simpson, 43, #246 of 2163 🔗

Aaaaanndddd the march of the brainwashed continues:

My parents sent me and Mr Bart a lovely Christmas present so I left a message on the family Whatsapp to say thanks and asking how everyone was.

My dad replies but instead of asking how we’re getting on simply says “wear a mask and visor.”

Jesus wept. And this from a man who taught his daughters to question everything.

How the mighty have fallen.

I’m very, very angry and upset.

316869 ▶▶ Lockdown_Lunacy, replying to Bart Simpson, 31, #247 of 2163 🔗

This is the most soul destroying aspect of the madness. Luckily, I’ve not got any close family who have fallen for the madness, but I’ve got plenty of friends who have. It makes me angry to see how they have changed, I’ll never be able to respect them again unless they acknowledge how insane they have been.

I think some of them now actively hate me for my stance on covid.

316878 ▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to Lockdown_Lunacy, 14, #248 of 2163 🔗

I have no illusions about people but it does hurt when friends and especially family reveal themselves for who they truly are and what they can become.

Mr Bart has said that perhaps my dad was trying to express concern in a clumsy way but its still inappropriate and patronising.

Like you, I think my family hates me for being a contrarian and a free thinker.

316911 ▶▶▶▶ annie, replying to Bart Simpson, 6, #249 of 2163 🔗

,Twas ever thus.

317595 ▶▶▶▶ Number 6, replying to Bart Simpson, 3, #250 of 2163 🔗

Agreed. Have a similar problem, although in the opposite direction. One of my Sons thinks that me and mum (and Aunt) are totally irresponsible and we should be isolating ourselves – not even ‘Bubbles’. Other Son is cool about it and accepts our position. Result split family.

Strange thing – and please do not class me as ‘New Age Conspiracy Theorist’, is that coincidently a National Institution that is close to the so called ‘Experts’ who are advising our puppet government, has its HQ in a building with a disturbing history. This URL may explain a bit-

https://iconicphotos.wordpress.com/2009/11/03/a-nazi-funeral-in-london/

Brings to my mind a 1972 BBC play ‘ The Stone Tape by Nigel Kneale’

Not really into the paranormal, but feel some awe when in old churches etc. Well Nigel Kneale couldn’t have done any better in selecting a malevolent aura than the Nazis. Although, to be fair, even Joseph Goebbels may have drawn the line at demonising the Children.

Bottom line is how the hell can we get out of this? The opposition has the full force of the State behind it, and everything contrary to the State line is systematically being destroyed. No cure for the most deadly virus to emerge in history, anything that may be suggested like Vit’ D3, HCQ or Ivermectin is rejected as Junk / Pseudo Science and the product of deluded or fake commentators. Even the existence of an effective immune system that’s evolved over millions of years is sidelined as ineffective. We, the readers of site’s like this, have little say, if any at all. We speak to the like minded whilst forces including the 77th Brigade speak to the masses who OBEY. Unfortunately they are winning hands down at present – what’s the answer? Where’s the breaking point?

318412 ▶▶▶▶▶ annie, replying to Number 6, 1, #251 of 2163 🔗

Goebbels had six children. He and his wife poisoned them in Hitler’s bunker before committing suicide themselves. The ultimate Fascist act.
But at least the poor kiddies weren’t made to wear knickers on their faces while they were alive.

316924 ▶▶▶ Judy Watson, replying to Lockdown_Lunacy, 5, #252 of 2163 🔗

Know the feeling only too well.

316934 ▶▶▶ jb12, replying to Lockdown_Lunacy, 4, #253 of 2163 🔗

They haven’t changed: duress has brought out their real face, be happy you have seen it.

317178 ▶▶▶ David Grimbleby, replying to Lockdown_Lunacy, 6, #254 of 2163 🔗

It is a difficult one with long time friends, how can you respect them when they wont do any independent research and follow the MSM crap.

317180 ▶▶▶ Foxglove, replying to Lockdown_Lunacy, 8, #255 of 2163 🔗

I’m in the same position with my friends, they are not the people I thought they were.

318329 ▶▶▶▶ Eliza P., replying to Foxglove, 1, #256 of 2163 🔗

Yep – and me – and the more intelligent I thought they were = the less intelligent they’ve turned out to be iyswim.

316880 ▶▶ kenadams, replying to Bart Simpson, 13, #257 of 2163 🔗

I am lucky in that my Dad is also a sceptic, and I think my Mum is too really, but just struggles with the idea tat for the first time in her 63 years of life, breaking the law is the morally correct thing to do.

I’ve lost/am losing lots of friends over it, though. I simply can’t look at them in the same way anymore. No amount of facts and figure and empirical evidence changes their minds. Even worse, they won’t even bother t o acknowledge it most of the time. And I always make sure I only send highly reputable stuff, like the Amnesty International report, or UN reports into the impact on the 3rd world etc

316893 ▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to kenadams, 10, #258 of 2163 🔗

That’s the funny thing. I come from a 3rd world country, my family still lives there but it seems to pass them by that the lockdown and restrictions are damaging the economy and lives with large scale prostitution, drug running, poaching and the others making a huge comeback.

When I pointed this out, their only reply was “but this is a global problem”

They’ve become no different to the upper MC Karens and Kevins here – “I’m alright Jack” and sod the rest.

317471 ▶▶▶ Johnb, replying to kenadams, 1, #259 of 2163 🔗

… I think my Mum is too really, but just struggles with the idea tat for the first time in her 63 years of life, breaking the law is the morally correct thing to do.

Not a fan of the sacred herb then ? 🙂

316908 ▶▶ annie, replying to Bart Simpson, 4, #260 of 2163 🔗

Stay away from them. Sever all contact. It’s the only way.

316950 ▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to annie, 4, #261 of 2163 🔗

Sadly you’re right. I’m done with them while this lunacy is raging. Let the chips fall and come what may.

316926 ▶▶ Thomas_E, replying to Bart Simpson, 11, #262 of 2163 🔗

I feel you…my mom called me again yesterday to check if we are all still healthy and alive ( my parents live aboard) because of this new mutant virus. I told her that it’s a bunch of BS ( 2nd time in 2 days!!!) and she said that it’s because people like me don’t wear mask and socially distance that this has happened. I hung up, I will not call them for Christmas, I’m done with them for a while.

316949 ▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to Thomas_E, 4, #263 of 2163 🔗

You mum sounds like my mum because I can guarantee you that’s what she’ll say too.

Won’t bother to contact them for Christmas either especially as its always a palaver to call them. Like you I’m done with them for a while.

316937 ▶▶ DRW, replying to Bart Simpson, 7, #264 of 2163 🔗

I’ve fallen out with several over this. Must be one of the worst things to come out of this.

316955 ▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to DRW, 7, #265 of 2163 🔗

Exactly. When this is over you can bet that these people will go “it’s time for healing, let bygones be bygones.”

To which I will say no.

Never forgive. Never forget.

316983 ▶▶▶▶ DRW, replying to Bart Simpson, 3, #266 of 2163 🔗

No. I fear it will never be over though.

317031 ▶▶▶▶▶ Thomas_E, replying to DRW, 8, #267 of 2163 🔗

It might never be over but the bridges my ”friends” have burned down with me because I’m a conspiracy, covid denying, anti masker, ant vaxxer, anti life, want old people dead ( all of this was said to me, with no shame) will remain burned forever. They say you know who you friends are in a time of despair so fuck them!! I’m so angry it’s not even anger now, it’s just pure rage all the time.

318825 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Borisbullshit, replying to Thomas_E, #268 of 2163 🔗

Bin the bastards off.

316830 Will, replying to Will, 2, #269 of 2163 🔗

Matt Ridley is a very good read in the Telegraph.

316907 ▶▶ annie, replying to Will, #270 of 2163 🔗

Summarise?,Paywall.

316834 wendyk, replying to wendyk, 6, #271 of 2163 🔗

The Twelve Days of Christmas carol,for 2020:

On the One Day of Christmas
My rulers said to me-
Do not share your cutlery.

On the One Day of Christmas
My rulers said to me
2 metres for safety.

On the One day of Christmas
My rulers said to me
Make the most of your misery.

On the One Day of Christmas
My rulers said to me
We will never set you free.

316845 ▶▶ karenovirus, replying to wendyk, 3, #272 of 2163 🔗

Oh little town of Bethlehem
How still we see you lye
All locked down ‘gainst the Covid
To make sure you don’t die.

316865 ▶▶▶ wendyk, replying to karenovirus, 2, #273 of 2163 🔗

We the sages of Covid are
Spreading gloom we traverse afar
Schools and retail,homes and businesses
Lighting the fearsome fire.

317960 ▶▶▶▶ richard riewer, replying to wendyk, 1, #274 of 2163 🔗

Sir Colin Davis ‘The Spirit of Christmas’. London Symphony Orchestra, John Alldis Choir. Forty-seven glorious minutes of great Christmas tunes.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2TpPOhnw2V8

316837 Ben, replying to Ben, 4, #275 of 2163 🔗

.
Do politicians care about the fact they’re destroying the UK?
.

316857 ▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to Ben, 8, #276 of 2163 🔗

No because they’re sitting on their arses on full pay plus expenses and the prospect of a pension when they leave.

Take all of that away and cut their pay to minimum wage and I can guarantee you, they will do a U turn faster than you can say “Tier 4”

316905 ▶▶ Yawnyaman, replying to Ben, 5, #277 of 2163 🔗

Bizarrely, I think there are quite a few who think they are mad enough to believe they are saving it, after all even Hitler and PolPot thought they were doing the right thing in their own minds.

317091 ▶▶▶ Spikedee1, replying to Yawnyaman, #278 of 2163 🔗

Yes and stalin was probably a nice guy once you got to know him…

318416 ▶▶ annie, replying to Ben, #279 of 2163 🔗

No.

316838 karenovirus, replying to karenovirus, 4, #280 of 2163 🔗

BBC R4 Today Programme
Martha “So should the rest of the country be preparing to go into tier 4 after Xmas Home Secretary?”

Question avoided but not denied by Priti Patel.

316854 ▶▶ Carrie, replying to karenovirus, 2, #281 of 2163 🔗

….which means it is likely this is the plan 😡

316953 ▶▶▶ Ovis, replying to Carrie, 3, #282 of 2163 🔗

Having Tier 4ed in honour of the dreaded mutant, and admitted that the dreaded mutant is everywhere, what else can the regime do? You can’t expect them to give up on Tier 4, can you? That would just look silly.

317021 ▶▶▶ TheBluePill, replying to Carrie, 1, #283 of 2163 🔗

For confirmation we just need Gove to explicitly deny it.

317094 ▶▶ Spikedee1, replying to karenovirus, 2, #284 of 2163 🔗

Another massive useless disappointment is our Priti.

318826 ▶▶▶ Borisbullshit, replying to Spikedee1, #285 of 2163 🔗

Priti shiti.

316840 calchas, replying to calchas, 4, #286 of 2163 🔗

Preliminary estimates for UK government public accounts for November are out today. Tax receipts are now consistently coming in at less than half of spending.

  • “Public sector net borrowing (excluding public sector banks, PSNB ex) is estimated to have been £31.6 billion in November 2020, £26.0 billion more than in November 2019, which is both the highest November borrowing and the third-highest borrowing in any month since monthly records began in 1993.
  • Central government tax receipts are estimated to have been £38.9 billion in November 2020 (on a national accounts basis), £3.2 billion less than in November 2019, with notable falls in Value Added Tax (VAT) and Business Rates.
  • Central government bodies are estimated to have spent £80.6 billion on day-to-day activities (current expenditure) in November 2020, £23.5 billion more than in November 2019; this growth includes £5.9 billion additional expenditure on coronavirus job support schemes.”

https://www.ons.gov.uk/economy/governmentpublicsectorandtaxes/publicsectorfinance/bulletins/publicsectorfinances/november2020

316921 ▶▶ Recusant, replying to calchas, 2, #287 of 2163 🔗

Come friendly bombs fall on Slough the UK

317036 ▶▶ Mark, replying to calchas, 1, #288 of 2163 🔗

An entire herd of elephants trampling around the governmental room, largely unattended.

317048 ▶▶ karenovirus, replying to calchas, 1, #289 of 2163 🔗

National Debt now at £2.1 Trillion.
BBC R4 News

316847 SweetBabyCheeses, replying to SweetBabyCheeses, 28, #290 of 2163 🔗

On the law of unintended consequences…
My OH is a snr HR manager in an organisation employing just under 10k (yes we’re both public sector but don’t bash us, there are as many skeptics here as anywhere).
Anyway, his observations have made me realise that we will not escape this testing trap until employers start to treat pseudo-covid illness the way they treat actual illnesses.
Even when employees are given full pay for being off ill, there is still a system of limits, trigger points, meetings, forms, warnings etc that are degrading enough to deter most people from taking the piss. Plus if your kids are off sick you have to take annual leave etc.
With covid people are getting a free pass with all of this. It’s just recorded as “special leave”. Not too unfair you might say if you believe this is an actual pandemic.
However, the problem arises with essentially rewarding people with paid time off for complying with this track&trace/PCR/self-isolation nonsense. My partner reckons there are a lot of people actively “chasing” so called “contacts” with “infectious” people so that they can get paid time off. It’s an obvious lure if you’re a stressed working parent trying to juggle everything or just fancy a few days of not waking up to an alarm clock.
Add on top that there is a £500 payment from the Gov to isolate too if you’re on a low income and it makes the problem more obvious.
Once covid is treated like flu again by employers then there is little incentive to comply.

316870 ▶▶ Tom Blackburn, replying to SweetBabyCheeses, 7, #291 of 2163 🔗

There are a myriad of elements to this confected crisis that need dismantling. This being just one. Just goes to show, convergent opportunism is not exclusive to those dishing out billion pound contracts.

316892 ▶▶ AngloWelshDragon, replying to SweetBabyCheeses, 8, #292 of 2163 🔗

Indeed. We are aware of several people who, having been told they must work in Christmas week or between Christmas and new year because they weren’t quick enough putting in a leave request have now supposedly got someone with Covid in their household and have to self isolate. One such was even spotted out in his car at the weekend!

316896 ▶▶▶ Lockdown_Lunacy, replying to AngloWelshDragon, 5, #293 of 2163 🔗

Ha, the same happened where my wife works. Someone in the office went for a test, they asked my wife if she was concerned and if she would like them to call her if the result was positive.

‘No thanks’ was her response, but there were some people who were very keen to know, no doubt the prospect of 2 weeks off over Christmas was a factor!

317171 ▶▶▶ Ewan Duffy, replying to AngloWelshDragon, #294 of 2163 🔗

I’m sure he was just testing his eyesight.

316916 ▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to SweetBabyCheeses, 9, #295 of 2163 🔗

This has become a god send to mailngerers and hypochondriacs and unfortunately its yet again the responsible who have to bear the brunt when the work place is short staffed.

316946 ▶▶ Mabel Cow, replying to SweetBabyCheeses, 12, #296 of 2163 🔗

The cobra effect .

The British government was concerned about the number of venomous cobras in Delhi. The government therefore offered a bounty for every dead cobra. Initially, this was a successful strategy; large numbers of snakes were killed for the reward. Eventually, however, enterprising people began to breed cobras for the income. When the government became aware of this, the reward program was scrapped. When cobra breeders set their now-worthless snakes free, the wild cobra population further increased.

I think someone might have posted this before, but I couldn’t find a reference in my database.

318419 ▶▶▶ annie, replying to Mabel Cow, #297 of 2163 🔗

Somebody did, but it’s worth repeating.

316858 tonyspurs, replying to tonyspurs, 16, #298 of 2163 🔗

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9077163/Chris-Whitty-says-Covid-hospital-cases-match-April-peak-New-Year.html

At least 95% comments are sceptical but I wish Whitty and Vallance would just fuck off

316914 ▶▶ Albie, replying to tonyspurs, 13, #299 of 2163 🔗

And take Van Tam with them. Whatever happened to Jenny Harries. Did she refuse to go along with the bollocks?

316960 ▶▶ karenovirus, replying to tonyspurs, 2, #300 of 2163 🔗

BBC still touting witty and valance as the fount of all wisdom

316984 ▶▶ Crystal Decanter, replying to tonyspurs, 1, #301 of 2163 🔗

Yawn
When we start to see that in the Mirror and it’s local Politburo spin offs then we are getting somewhere

316860 Albie, replying to Albie, 27, #302 of 2163 🔗

The only certainty for me this week is that late on Christmas Eve various SAGE members will issue alarmist statements to the media in a deliberate attempt to cause maximum misery on Christmas Day. They know it will cause division in families who have got together. They know what they say damages mental health. They enjoy breaking people’s spirits. They enjoy the power they now have over people.

316891 ▶▶ anon, replying to Albie, 1, #303 of 2163 🔗

I suppose if you can predict this along with roughly what they will announce …and you were to tell enough people

it should lower their abilities to cause division and minimise the overall intended damage to be inflicted upon us

317188 ▶▶▶ Kevin 2, replying to anon, 1, #304 of 2163 🔗

Here’s a prediction:-
‘Ring of steel’ bollocks around the M25

317465 ▶▶▶▶ Johnb, replying to Kevin 2, #305 of 2163 🔗

a.k.a. a traffic jam ? 🙂

316873 FrankiiB, replying to FrankiiB, -8, #306 of 2163 🔗

Mass vaccination opportunity?

First, may I say I’m lukewarm about the covid vaccination and I read the new variant as exaggerated and likely less harmful. It could even bring herd immunity, more quickly.

But, with the important proviso that vaccination must be entirely voluntary, and that the Oxford vaccine gets approved and is effective against the new variant covid….

Then, the opportunity exists to get the army to set up mass vaccination centres and do most of the population in a month. In January.

It could be the quickest way to something approaching normality.

316882 ▶▶ Steph, replying to FrankiiB, 3, #307 of 2163 🔗

I doubt manufacture could be that rapid.
I’m not having the vaccine at any price, but I see you agree it should be voluntary.

316886 ▶▶ Saved To Death, replying to FrankiiB, 11, #308 of 2163 🔗

How can people give informed consent when they have been subjected to a year long miss information campaign specifically designed to raise their level of fear?

316903 ▶▶ Andrew K, replying to FrankiiB, 5, #309 of 2163 🔗

I whish there is a filter button, so I don’t have to read such government propaganda as posted above

316923 ▶▶▶ jb12, replying to Andrew K, 2, #310 of 2163 🔗

You are killing it this morning, Andrew!

317218 ▶▶ Kevin 2, replying to FrankiiB, #311 of 2163 🔗

Perhaps. But even if it was medically justifiable, sensible and logistically possible (which it isn’t), it’s the last thing they would do. A return to normality is simply not on the agenda.
The future is constant repeated vaccinations ad infinitum. And masks and social distancing.
The promised land will always remain out of reach.
I was immediately suspicious of the apparent commitment to no discrimination on the basis of vaccination status.
Now I suspect they will attempt to skin the cat, by setting a vaccinated percentage target of perhaps 80 or 85%, in order to cause maximum societal division for as long as possible (or as long as is necessary to implement the WEF, World Bank agenda)

316876 karenovirus, replying to karenovirus, 7, #312 of 2163 🔗

Who will think of the children ?
BBC R4 Today Programme two pronged attack asking both Priti Patel and Professor Edmunds what they are doing in light of

‘it seems the new variant affects children more’
But without any evidence whatsoever.

316899 ▶▶ Country Mumkin, replying to karenovirus, 3, #313 of 2163 🔗

I’m sure the gov announced the mass schools testing before they announced the virus affected children. Am I right? Did they get the Gantt project chart lines muddled up?

316927 ▶▶ Basics, replying to karenovirus, 2, #314 of 2163 🔗

I expect a table in a SPI-B document reads ‘ introduce new variant scare to further control individuals targeting esp. young and destroy all ages spirits to a better degree Collateral: depression (quick fix increase wealth sale of happy pills), suicide.’

317727 ▶▶ Marialta, replying to karenovirus, 5, #315 of 2163 🔗

I’m sure the next target for fear porn is going to be schoolchildren. Testing, excluding and even at preschool level. They’re coming for the children!

“ Kill a Granny” needs to be replaced as it’s got stale. Not enough grannies are dying. Enter a new strain of virus, that will do to scare for a week or two at most. The most ridiculous and hateful thing this week has been my grandson aged 4 with severe disability being told to isolate for ten days as a child tested positive in his nursery Try entertaining him stuck indoors with no let up. Inhuman!

316877 alw, 4, #316 of 2163 🔗

“Why Many Bosses Won’t Require Workers to Get the Covid-19 Vaccine”
But there will be a cash incentive!! No amount of money would induce me to have this vaccine.

316881 Ceci, replying to Ceci, 7, #317 of 2163 🔗

‘unable to perform normal daily activities, unable to work, required care from doctor or health care professional’

Is that a polite medico way of saying they are in coma

316935 ▶▶ Tyneside Tigress, replying to Ceci, 5, #318 of 2163 🔗

Wait for the reactions to the second dose – all predicted by the doctor group in the US a few weeks ago (their equivalent of the BMA). I wonder what the stats look like here, given that we are two weeks ahead of the US in rolling out this vaccine – strangely quiet since the two nurses suffered anaphylactic shock?

317277 ▶▶▶ Kevin 2, replying to Tyneside Tigress, 1, #319 of 2163 🔗

Regrettably, we will only get to hear about any outrageous numbers of any specific serious reactions that are difficult to pass over.
The ‘not necessarily attributable’ and ‘correlation does not mean causation’ playbook will be used. As it always is with vaccines.
If 100k really have already been vaccinated, there will have been circa 2800 serious adverse events, but we won’t hear about that.

317245 ▶▶ Kevin 2, replying to Ceci, 3, #320 of 2163 🔗

Not quite. These are Grade 3 SAE’s (serious adverse events).

FDA uses the following classification:-

Grade 1 Mild; asymptomatic or mild symptoms; clinical or diagnostic observations only; no intervention indicated–

Grade 2 Moderate; minimal, local or noninvasive intervention indicated; limiting age-appropriate instrumental ADL–

Grade 3 Severe or medically significant but not immediately life- threatening; hospitalization or prolongation of hospitalization indicated; disabling; limiting self care ADL–

Grade 4 Life-threatening consequences; urgent intervention indicated.–

Grade 5 Death related to AE.

https://www.fda.gov/media/84954/download

This grading system is pretty well universally used in clinical trials, with some minor differences in terminology, depending on jurisdiction.

All these events are thus ‘serious’ or ‘severe’.
And note that most or all of these are a result of jab 1; the booster is yet to come.
And Grade 1 and 2 is not even considered worthy of a mention.

The Moderna vaccine has a much higher rate of Grade 3 SAE’s. Perhaps 5 times higher….

When scanning a clinical trial report, always look for the toxicity profile and in particular the percentage of SAE’s Grade 3-5. These are often lumped together so you cannot tell how many there are of each grade.

Obfuscation is the name of the game.

316883 alw, replying to alw, 7, #321 of 2163 🔗

London’s New Year’s Eve fireworks to be replaced by live TV show of 2020 highlights”

People will be having their own displays. Plans underway.

316933 ▶▶ Thomas_E, replying to alw, 12, #322 of 2163 🔗

What fucking highlights??!! Fuck them, fuck them to the moon and back!!

317122 ▶▶▶ Two-Six, replying to Thomas_E, 6, #323 of 2163 🔗

This is going to be the worst TV “program” of 2020. It’s going to be the most nauseating torrent of foetid effluent ever seen on British Television.
Really. Fuck the BBC to fuck and back again.

317282 ▶▶▶▶ Kevin 2, replying to Two-Six, 1, #324 of 2163 🔗

I avoided SPOTY on that basis.
Don’t know if anyone caught it?

316948 ▶▶ karenovirus, replying to alw, 2, #325 of 2163 🔗

Fireworks will be going off in the neighbouring public park that will be blamed on ‘gangs of youths’.

316885 Tom Blackburn, replying to Tom Blackburn, 4, #326 of 2163 🔗

Our response to the clear push for yet another ruinous and futile lockdown should be, “third time lucky”. We have nothing to fear. It is ‘they’ that keep rolling the dice in the hope of a different outcome.

316894 ▶▶ Now More Than Ever, replying to Tom Blackburn, 6, #327 of 2163 🔗

Every new lockdown brings more people to our side.

316906 ▶▶▶ Tom Blackburn, replying to Now More Than Ever, 1, #328 of 2163 🔗

Once the myth of lockdown efficacy is busted, then I will return to engaging the opposition with cold, hard judgement. For now, they can have it their way.

316958 ▶▶▶ Athanasius, replying to Now More Than Ever, 2, #329 of 2163 🔗

And destroys more livelihoods in the process.

316961 ▶▶▶▶ Tom Blackburn, replying to Athanasius, #330 of 2163 🔗

They can own that

316965 ▶▶ DRW, replying to Tom Blackburn, #331 of 2163 🔗

Some of us on here welcomed LD2 as it might get pushback.

316887 Lockdown_Lunacy, replying to Lockdown_Lunacy, 33, #332 of 2163 🔗

I had a heartening conversation with a friend yesterday who has slowly been coming over to the sceptic side.

We’ve been discussing the futility of lockdowns etc for a while, but he’d still talk in terms of case numbers in other countries and covid being ‘bad’ in this place or that place.

Well, yesterday he finally came out with something roughly along the lines of, ‘the whole thing started with the wrong premise, this is a really low fatality level virus. Everything we’re doing is a waste of time.’

317126 ▶▶ Two-Six, replying to Lockdown_Lunacy, 1, #333 of 2163 🔗

What unblocked his penny-chute?

316888 Achilles, replying to Achilles, 14, #334 of 2163 🔗

We know the government have declared war on us but they have now clearly declared war on nature, even when nature is actually trying to help us. It’s no surprise when our leader and his scientific Wormtongue Ferguson both obviously have God complexes.

318428 ▶▶ annie, replying to Achilles, 1, #335 of 2163 🔗

Hobbit-bows twanged and Wormtongue fell dead.
Bring it on.

316897 theanalyst, 4, #336 of 2163 🔗

Asymptomatic Spread Revisited

https://www.aier.org/article/asymptomatic-spread-revisited/amp/?__twitter_impression=true

Well written article. More proof its all bolloc#s.

316900 Chrissie, replying to Chrissie, 7, #337 of 2163 🔗

From the NERVTAG document:
“It was noted that VUI-202012/01 has demonstrated exponential growth during a period when national lockdown measures were in place.”

316932 ▶▶ Tyneside Tigress, replying to Chrissie, 2, #338 of 2163 🔗

Between September and early December it rose from 1 known case to 1108, I believe. NERVTAG defines that as ‘exponential’!

316978 ▶▶▶ Chrissie, replying to Tyneside Tigress, 2, #339 of 2163 🔗

NERVTAG admits “Lockdowns are completely pointless”.

317139 ▶▶ Two-Six, replying to Chrissie, #340 of 2163 🔗

NERVTAG makes me think of TAGNUTS
and of course their counter part
Winnets and Dangleberries.

317327 ▶▶ Kevin 2, replying to Chrissie, 1, #341 of 2163 🔗

I wish they would define ‘exponential’….
They are always using it incorrectly.

316901 Andrew K, replying to Andrew K, 8, #342 of 2163 🔗

Not sure if already posted
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9077385/Firms-start-work-freedom-passports.html#comments

..and to think they called us conspiracy theorist when we said this was coming

316919 ▶▶ jb12, replying to Andrew K, 3, #343 of 2163 🔗

It’s damn incompetence, I say!

316904 alw, 11, #345 of 2163 🔗

Stories are rife that the NHS and travel companies are considering a change to their terms and conditions of employment or of carriage to require persons to have the vaccination. To do so is not informed consent but ‘consent obtained by coercion’. In the 1920s case Hodges v Webb it was established that ‘coercion’ is a ‘negation of choice’. This is not acceptable in society and is a fundamental breach of Article 8 human rights and yet it seems possible, even likely at times, that there will be a coercive element to Covid-19 vaccination in Scotland.

The decision as to whether to take vaccine is entirely personal. If satisfied on the balance of risks that you would wish to give informed consent to a Covid-19 vaccine, you should be free to take it if offered. However, it must follow that if you are not satisfied, then you are entitled to refuse. Truth, quality data and education are always to be preferred to coercion when it comes to medical consent.”

https://www.conservativewoman.co.uk/your-right-to-refuse-the-covid-jab/

316909 alw, 10, #346 of 2163 🔗

From Mike Yeadon

“So, you’re being lied to, it’s not for your benefit. Stand up together & say “No more!!”. (Source: https://threader.app/thread/1341076238350372865 )

316910 alw, replying to alw, 21, #347 of 2163 🔗

More excellent comment from Mike Yeadon.

”Tell those around you that you’ve had enough now. Stand up, take if your ineffective masks & ignore the rotten falsehoods being thrown at you constantly. These are the governments own figures, nearly installed into a format easy to appreciate.It’s time to say it’s not OK. It’s not OK to be leaving people to suffer & die at home. It’s not OK to see families, communities & our nation destroyed. Please stand up & share this with everyone you know & ask them to do the same. There’s just time, maybe, if we all stand up.” (Source: https://threader.app/thread/1341182904450297858 )

317680 ▶▶ PastImperfect, replying to alw, #348 of 2163 🔗

The graph is blank

316912 alw, 10, #349 of 2163 🔗

Mike Yeadon

”Not sure what’s happened at WHO but I strongly recommend you don’t let any A-level biology students see this lot of chuff. It’s factually wrong in numerous ways.”(Source: https://threader.app/thread/1341171224664272896 )

316917 Will, replying to Will, 15, #350 of 2163 🔗

When people ask “why would the government do this to the country”think on this, lockdown has to be seen to work because the alternative is that they wilfully killed tens of thousands of the most vulnerable, by chucking them into care homes, lockdown has killed 500,000 people, atomised the country socially and economically and it has actually made everything considerably worse. Covering up that shower of shite provides quite an incentive.

316964 ▶▶ Jonathan Palmer, replying to Will, 13, #351 of 2163 🔗

How would you explain the 4 week lockdown in Germany.There were very few deaths in care homes there in the spring.Yet they are now in their 3rd lockdown as well.No mutant strain either.Please wake up and smell the police state that is being instituted under the cover of Covid across the once free world.
P.S. Sky just reported a new national lockdown in the New Year.We are gradually being conditioned to accept the new normal we were promised.
This is a worldwide fascist coup

317002 ▶▶▶ John P, replying to Jonathan Palmer, -21, #352 of 2163 🔗

Keep going nutter.

317146 ▶▶▶▶ Two-Six, replying to John P, 2, #353 of 2163 🔗

Cmon John P. That was a bit harsh. You don’t like it when people are sharp with you do you.

316966 ▶▶ Ovis, replying to Will, 5, #354 of 2163 🔗

Yes, but that’s been the case since March. Even a completely cynical prime minister with half a brain and the will could have found a way out by now.

The Chinese approach, of simply declaring victory, has always been open.

318433 ▶▶ annie, replying to Will, #355 of 2163 🔗

Yes indeed.

316918 D B, 1, #356 of 2163 🔗

I’ve signed but what is the point, they’ll pass through anyway…

316925 l835, replying to l835, 7, #357 of 2163 🔗

Haven’t heard any news for ages. Has drakeford passed any new laws for me to break?

316929 ▶▶ Ceci, replying to l835, #358 of 2163 🔗

This week he imposed a 16% stamp duty on second home sales

316989 ▶▶▶ Crystal Decanter, replying to Ceci, #359 of 2163 🔗

Makes a change from burning them.

317190 ▶▶▶ Ewan Duffy, replying to Ceci, #360 of 2163 🔗

66% if the purchaser is English.

318341 ▶▶▶▶ Eliza P., replying to Ewan Duffy, #361 of 2163 🔗

you are joking presumably?

316930 ▶▶ Andrew K, replying to l835, 1, #362 of 2163 🔗

Posting on any counter narrative media has been outlawed. £1000 fine.

318342 ▶▶▶ Eliza P., replying to Andrew K, #363 of 2163 🔗

really?

316969 ▶▶ l835, replying to l835, #364 of 2163 🔗

Swine, I can’t afford to pay a £1000 fine and buy a second home. Foiled again!!

316982 ▶▶ Basics, replying to l835, #365 of 2163 🔗

Crazyily read that as – has Drakeford passed away.

Sharing Christmas cheer this morning.

316987 ▶▶ Crystal Decanter, replying to l835, 6, #366 of 2163 🔗

My ole son’s a rapist
He wears a rapists hat
Suspected of a Paedo too
Makes me a Rapist’s Dad

oi

317000 ▶▶▶ John P, replying to Crystal Decanter, -10, #367 of 2163 🔗

I know you think this is clever, but IMO this smear is as disgusting as the man you are attempting to smear.

317020 ▶▶▶▶ Crystal Decanter, replying to John P, 5, #368 of 2163 🔗

Can’t be a smear if it is factually correct and proven in court

317192 ▶▶▶▶ Ewan Duffy, replying to John P, 1, #369 of 2163 🔗

John, are you on a bonus for every pushback post?

316939 quasi_verbatim, replying to quasi_verbatim, 1, #370 of 2163 🔗

Britons arriving in Germany have been separated by the local police from other EU narionals and made to sleep in cattle trucks.

This discriminatory triage will of course be much more efficiently achieved when all Britons carry new blue passports.

Until that time arrives the outright travel ban, as a precaution against hyper-infection, should continue in full effect.

318436 ▶▶ annie, replying to quasi_verbatim, #371 of 2163 🔗

They could just re-route the cattle trucks straight through to Auschwitz.

316940 swedenborg, 8, #372 of 2163 🔗

https://www.dw.com/en/new-covid-strain-uk-travelers-held-at-german-airports/a-56006536

 Anybody reading this must see the insanity. German citizens going through without test. Non German residents waved through allowed to take a PCR test later. Others to stay at airport to be tested.
There were good reasons for all recommendation in the WHO flu pandemic guidelines from Oct 2019 incl. not advising border closures etc during a pandemic. Every day a new evidence what a catastrophic world-wide decision not to follow the flu pandemic guidelines.

316941 Awkward Git, 7, #373 of 2163 🔗

Look who started yougov – none other than the vaccines minister:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/YouGov

and his partner who was involved with the government “ to maximise value of data for users across the UK” :

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stephan_Shakespeare

No surprise they manipulate there results then.

316942 Andrew K, replying to Andrew K, 23, #374 of 2163 🔗

A ray of light in an otherwise bleak winter. We recenty moved to a new area and a few weeks ago we were informed that there would be carol singing outside a certain house. We turned up last night expecting to see it cancelled due to tier 4. But no. the whole street had turned up and we sang carols for an hour. Felt very emotional!

Years since a sang carols, totally forgot the words to all of them apart from the one where shepards wash their socks at night.

316952 ▶▶ Ed Phillips, replying to Andrew K, 3, #375 of 2163 🔗

Did a little bit of that myself recently. Roving carol singing. Seemed to bring a lot of cheer to people.

316967 ▶▶ Hoppy Uniatz, replying to Andrew K, 1, #376 of 2163 🔗

Just posted in the forum, in case anyone wants to sing some carols in London on Christmas Day.

317013 ▶▶ Crystal Decanter, replying to Andrew K, 1, #377 of 2163 🔗

This is how you stick it to the Coronatarian state
a win is a win however small

316943 Thomas_E, replying to Thomas_E, 30, #378 of 2163 🔗

Had a visit form my niece who lives in Essex last night. She drove to London to drop of presents for my daughter. The sad thing is that she had to go at night so her mother ,my SIL would not find out as she is a complete lockdown fanatic. She stood outside my house and after a while asked if it’s ok if she gives me and my wife a hug. I hugged her and started crying..What have they done to us, I could not sleep which is nothing new but this is just getting to much. I told her that she can come and see us anytime she wants, no matter the imagined Tiers. She promised she will try but apparently her mum is completely nuts. My wife was crying as she feels her sister is beyond saving now. What a great year 🙁

317152 ▶▶ Spikedee1, replying to Thomas_E, 7, #379 of 2163 🔗

Oh god I feel for you, bought tears to my eyes. Nobody should be made to feel the most fundamental rights as a human being, the right to comfort others is somehow forbidden. What have we become.

317286 ▶▶ mjr, replying to Thomas_E, 1, #380 of 2163 🔗

sickening that people are affected in this way.
Glad i am a miserable sociopath so all this lockdown farce doesnt make any difference to my non- christmas

317436 ▶▶ Johnb, replying to Thomas_E, 3, #381 of 2163 🔗

You’re there for your niece to hug, Tom. Well done you !

316945 mjr, replying to mjr, 9, #382 of 2163 🔗

So the BBC after years of favouring lefty woke and unfunny comedians on all its shows now extends this to their own scripted shows
following last weeks politicised (and unfunny) Vicar of Dibley where the fat vicar character takes the knee in support of the BLM terrorists, just watched last nights Upstart Crow. At the start i thought maybe a bit of satire about covid given its setting in a shakespearian plague year, and there was some , but it ended up quoting the WEF policy of restart. but then again .. it is Ben Elton .

316970 ▶▶ kf99, replying to mjr, 1, #383 of 2163 🔗

And tonight some spoof drama about a ‘Polytechnic’ drama society. Yes a nice dig at those who had a proper technical education. Thanks for that, BBC luvvies

316990 ▶▶▶ Lockdown_Lunacy, replying to kf99, 2, #384 of 2163 🔗

A technical education can lead to approaching problems in a logical manner. Beware.

317202 ▶▶▶▶ Ewan Duffy, replying to Lockdown_Lunacy, 1, #385 of 2163 🔗

Funny that. All of my siblings did university degrees. I didn’t – I went to an Instititute of Technology and did a professional accountancy qualification.

All of my siblings are lockdown supporters who emote their way out of any discussion – I am a lockdown opponent who argues based on facts.

317007 ▶▶ Bill h, replying to mjr, #386 of 2163 🔗

I thought the Lockdown Crow was pretty good. Taking the piss out of the Covibollox.

317064 ▶▶▶ Yawnyaman, replying to Bill h, #387 of 2163 🔗

It was funny at times. But it was not written from a sceptic point of view.

317275 ▶▶▶▶ mjr, replying to Yawnyaman, 1, #388 of 2163 🔗

as i said , there was some satire about the sheeple but overall it wasnt sceptic and the final couple of minutes about failing to take the opportunity to change and save the world was WEF stuff. Which is the message the viewer is left with .. So BBC does it again .

316947 Jo Dominich, replying to Jo Dominich, 10, #389 of 2163 🔗

WTO is Robert West banging on about? Huget societal and economic cost without a further lockdown. It’s fucking SAGE their bloody incompetent and power crazed scientists and a grossly incompetent arrogant Govt that has already caused this. Wancock’s massive lie to Parliament leading to massive intl blowback has already been trashed by WHO and other reputable scientists. Yet rather than admit they made a mistake they carry on pushing the narrative.

317667 ▶▶ PastImperfect, replying to Jo Dominich, #390 of 2163 🔗

They are simply following the Agenda like good little soldiers.

318117 ▶▶▶ richard riewer, replying to PastImperfect, #391 of 2163 🔗

To the best of their ability. Which isn’t much. Time to poke holes in their leaking dike and let the flooding begin. Glug! Glug! Glug!

318103 ▶▶ richard riewer, replying to Jo Dominich, #392 of 2163 🔗

The NWO is on shaky ground because they are using people that, although they fervently support the objectives of the NWO, they were not properly trained to implement the strategy at a hundred percent efficiency rate. It is now time to destabilize these bungling idiots in every way possible before they Get Smart.

316951 NorthumbrianNomad, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, 17, #393 of 2163 🔗

From Politics For All, yet another fucking hostage to fortune that will be conveniently ignored when it does not come true:

“BREAKING: The government reasonable worst-case scenario for coronavirus forecasts around 700,000 cases, 20,000 hospital admissions & around 5,000 deaths, per week in February. This forecast does not take into account the new strain.“

I sincerely hope that all 5,000 weekly deaths are journalists, commentators, politicians and lockdown zealots.

And with that, ladies and gentlemen, I’ve had enough of this. There is no consolation and no point in continuing. The world is mad. It’s not going to get better. Nothing is going to get better. And no, I still don’t think it’s a fucking conspiracy. I’m out.

316973 ▶▶ D B, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, 9, #394 of 2163 🔗

How can they keep churning this shit out without even the flutter of a resignation when they don’t come to pass?

317012 ▶▶ richmond, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, 4, #395 of 2163 🔗

Worst case is meaningless.

316954 stefarm, replying to stefarm, 3, #396 of 2163 🔗

If the sheep think Boris, Nikolai, drakeford and the others are running the show they are very much mistaken.

These are the people ruining our lives

https://www.inclusivecapitalism.com/

316975 ▶▶ Basics, replying to stefarm, #397 of 2163 🔗

I thought I imagined a ste comment yesterday, now I see another! Be gone won’t you?! We need to know at least one skeptic is out there red nosed, party hat on and up to their neck in reindeer droppings and presents! You are that skeptic. Fulfil duty and take a high level christmassy break.

316976 ▶▶ Charlie Blue, replying to stefarm, -1, #398 of 2163 🔗

So how does this organisation control our nations’ leaders, do you think? And how does it sit in the wider picture with the WEF? Genuinely interested in how people think these vested interests bring influence to bear.

316980 ▶▶▶ John P, replying to Charlie Blue, -11, #399 of 2163 🔗

It’s called having a fertile imagination.

316998 ▶▶▶▶ Charlie Blue, replying to John P, 1, #400 of 2163 🔗

John, I share your view that that we should be holding our own political leaders to account rather than letting them off the hook by painting them as helpless pawns. But I am still interested in different viewpoints. I don’t believe that everyone is in on it, but I am interested in how others believe that manipulation takes place.

317017 ▶▶▶▶▶ John P, replying to Charlie Blue, -5, #401 of 2163 🔗

I’m sorry Charlie, but I’ve had enough of it.

It’s bad enough having to deal with the Boris Johnson clown show every day without having to read this “WEF” stuff every other comment on here.

I don’t buy into it and I’m not going to buy into it.

The only people Johnson is being led by are his own advisors in SAGE and NERVTAG. But that’s too obvious for the WEF nuts on here.

It is the likes of Whitty, Vallance, Van Tam and Ferguson that we should worry about. People with ACTUAL known influence. Not faraway globalists like Claus Schwab whose influence is doubtful.

But at the end of the day it is the law that determines who is in charge

And that can only mean citizens of this country. Our these days very much abused sovereign parliament and MPs.

317029 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Charlie Blue, replying to John P, #402 of 2163 🔗

Just skip over it, John! I don’t buy it either because no one has yet explained the mechanics of this shadowy influence but I am interested in why other people believe what they do about all sorts of things. I have learned a lot in life by listening to opinions that differ from my own, even while maintaining my original position. I am sorry if that upsets you but it doesn’t change your right to hold your own opinions, nor mine.

317041 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Basics, replying to Charlie Blue, 1, #403 of 2163 🔗

Being confident in your position and entertaining other seems like it’s a really good thing. It’s not defensive but inclusive and tolerant. I like it.

317085 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Sceptic in SA, replying to Basics, #404 of 2163 🔗

I agree. Kudos to Charlie Blue

317078 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Sceptic in SA, replying to Charlie Blue, 2, #405 of 2163 🔗

I’m not sure if I’m going to answer your point or not here. I would say that the link posted by calchas is not a bad place to start.

A few years ago I wasn’t even aware of the so called “Deep State”. In the last 9 months or so I have looked into a lot of articles about COVID, which inevitably lead down the “conspiracy” route.

As many have said, whilst you could perhaps excuse the initial response, there have been so many nonsensical decisions based on manipulated stats (“cases”. death count, second wave, new strain), not to mention the aggressive censorship of anything counter narrative. So if it can no longer be explained by incompetence, then there must be an agenda. Given that the “New World Order is no secret, and is the brainchild of the WEF, it makes sense to me to look in that direction.

What some people maybe don’t realise (or perhaps just don’t believe) is that the central banks basically control the world’s finances due to fractional reserve banking i.e. creating money out of nothing. Thus pretty much all governments are in debt to them. If one accepts that, then it’s logical that the banksters pull the strings.

To me that explains a lot of things, which admittedly drift into conspiratorial waters. If there was an agenda to get rid of Trump, which seems entirely plausible, there is an obvious motive – that he wasn’t going to roll over and let the Deep State take control. Also, when I look at Boris et al spouting obvious bullshit, I wonder how they can do it with a clear conscience. Well maybe it’s because they have no real choice. They are being controlled and can’t realistically do anything else.

My own readings took me down the path of “who are the deep state” and when you look into this it does make sense, to me anyway. There are lots of links around, quite a few are a bit extreme but here are a few. I’m not saying I know it all, or even believe it all, but Charlie Blue seemed to want to start a sensible debate (which I applaud), and for me it has been educational to read stuff like this.

This type of commentary demonstrates to me that there is indeed a “shadowy influence” and explains clearly how they are in control

http://finalwakeupcall.info/en/2018/08/22/the-banksters-control-the-world/

This one is long but interesting, especially from 1913 onwards: https://humansarefree.com/2013/07/the-complete-history-of-the-house-of-rothschild.html

https://in-this-together.com/how-banksters-rule-the-world/

317421 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ PastImperfect, replying to John P, 1, #406 of 2163 🔗

Influence $$$$$$$$$$$

318145 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ richard riewer, replying to John P, #407 of 2163 🔗

Disagree. They all have connections with the U.N., World Health Organization, Johns Hopkins, CDC, the World Bank, the IMF, Global Health, the Pharma Cartel. They all feed off each other and they posses thousands of networks and zillions of dollars to spread their messages. SAGE, NERVTAG and all the other think tanks and advisory groups are being funded by the all the aformentioned organizations. None of these organizations would exist, nay survive, without the theft of taxpayer monies across the globe to support their nefarious schemes.

318263 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ richard riewer, replying to richard riewer, #408 of 2163 🔗

Oops! forgot not in not exist.

317008 ▶▶▶▶ DRW, replying to John P, 8, #409 of 2163 🔗

Whats imaginary about the WEF/UN agendas? It’s all out there in the open.

317040 ▶▶▶▶▶ Charlie Blue, replying to DRW, 2, #410 of 2163 🔗

Not speaking for John, but my question is not whether these agendas exist (they surely do), but if everyone is in on that (i.e. our political leaders) then how and why is that the case.

317428 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Johnb, replying to Charlie Blue, -1, #411 of 2163 🔗

If people are following an unstated agenda, CB, you can hopefully see that they would be publicity averse (to say the least !).

316986 ▶▶▶ John P, replying to Charlie Blue, -17, #412 of 2163 🔗

I am truly sick of their “it’s all planned” bollocks.

THE LAW

This country is run by a sovereign parliament.

NOT BY CLAUS FUCKING SCHWAB.

317014 ▶▶▶▶ calchas, replying to John P, 4, #413 of 2163 🔗

Kevin McKernan is the PCR guy that ‘Swedenborg’ has posted about.

He thinks that the work on the Drosten PCR must have begun in November 2019.

316988 ▶▶▶ John P, replying to Charlie Blue, -14, #414 of 2163 🔗

“So how does this organisation control our nations’ leaders, do you think?”

IT FUCKING DOESN’T CONTROL THEM !

They – our nation’s leaders – are in control.

317211 ▶▶▶▶ Ewan Duffy, replying to John P, 1, #415 of 2163 🔗

Swiss bank accounts can do wonders for the level of control involved.

You previously mentioned being an accountant – not very good at spotting red flags which would suggest that there is something else going on in the background that you haven’t been told about, are you?

317037 ▶▶▶▶ Charlie Blue, replying to calchas, -1, #417 of 2163 🔗

But the uK is not on the list of nations that have been part of this scheme. They are listed on the IMF website. So what’s the mechanism here?

317061 ▶▶▶▶▶ calchas, replying to Charlie Blue, 2, #418 of 2163 🔗

It is merely an example of how these things work.

Clearly the IMF wanted to bring Belarus on board.

Obviously, a much larger country like the UK is much more central in the whole affair, and is itself one of the larger contributors to the IMF.

THere would be no point in pressuring Belarus unless countries like the UK were already ‘with the program’

I draw your attention to the UK’s outsize contribution both to the WHO – at 7.7% – and of course to GAVI.

316979 ▶▶ John P, replying to stefarm, -21, #419 of 2163 🔗

OH FUCK OFF

316996 ▶▶▶ Basics, replying to John P, 9, #420 of 2163 🔗

Having a good one again John

317006 ▶▶ Julian, replying to stefarm, 1, #421 of 2163 🔗

I’m sure they don’t us well, and are probably contributing in some way to this disaster by pushing certain strands of thinking. But I don’t see how it’s plausible for them to “running the show”. None of us can know for sure – so how roughly do you see this working, stefarm?

317063 ▶▶▶ jb12, replying to Julian, 3, #422 of 2163 🔗

No one can know anything for sure, but I am certain that a group who have assets of $10 trillion and are leaders in companies that employ 200 million people in 163 countries worldwide are doing a little more than ‘pushing certain strands of thinking’.

One example from the website: ‘The growing market for digital gig work is also creating new ways for workers in places like India and sub-Saharan Africa to access and participate in the global economy.’

To me that sounds like a good way to drive employment away from those now working from home in the UK, doesn’t it?

On a micro-level, look at how the selective employment and promotion of those who fit the profile within the universities has turned them into Equality and Diversity central, which then, in subsequent years, leaks out into the public discourse as these places produce indoctrinated graduates. If you have the money and the people, you can implement a change in culture over a number of years, and this reduction in human freedom has been in the pipeline since they started wheeling out the man-made climate change story.

I too am against seeing one grand narrative or one group sitting above all (it is entirely more likely that these psychos have power struggles amongst themselves), but as time goes by I don’t see how incompetence and arse-covering can be a compelling explanation for Covid here; they could have called the whole thing done in the summer if that were the case.

And for John, just because ‘leaders’ are manipulated by powerful groups (a situation found throughout history, at least as far back as the Roman Republic) does not mean they are immune morally or legally.

317102 ▶▶▶▶ Sceptic in SA, replying to jb12, 5, #423 of 2163 🔗

Agree with you totally. To me the exaggerations around COVID are not credible and are paper thin. Mike Yeadon (and others) have easily “debunked” pretty much all the propaganda, but 99% of the counter narrative is either censored or shadow banned by “fact checkers”, or at a minimum, it’s not publicised.

they could have called the whole thing done in the summer ” – or even earlier. So why didn’t they?

In the absence of any sensible reason, the only thing I have left is that it’s a drive towards globalism. It seems to me like the Deep State, via the politicians, are testing how much they can get away with, and so far it’s a lot. They will keep restrictions in place for as long as they can ,and add more, until such time as people realise what’s happening. But based on what I see, the majority of people will never see it

317019 ▶▶ richmond, replying to stefarm, 2, #424 of 2163 🔗

Very interesting indeed. And even more so since JohnP has responded to you as he has.

318121 ▶▶ richard riewer, replying to stefarm, #425 of 2163 🔗

Yeah, but they can’t do it without Boris, Nikolai, drakeford and the others.

316957 Smelly Melly, replying to Smelly Melly, 27, #426 of 2163 🔗

I’m off to swop presents with my sister in law soon. I said I didn’t care about the restrictions and would come to her. She said as she was in tier 4 the neighbours could report her, so we are meeting on a motorway service station. And they say we’re not in a police state, when people are fearful of being shopped to the police for having visitors.

317005 ▶▶ chaos, replying to Smelly Melly, 12, #427 of 2163 🔗

I live next to a county lines drug dealing den. It has been in operation since June last year. I can assure you that you and your sister have nothing to fear from the police.

317407 ▶▶▶ Johnb, replying to chaos, 3, #428 of 2163 🔗

Mmmm – I fear it would be ‘County lines – we need evidence. Visiting family – FPNs, COVIDIOTS !’.

Treatment of BLM/Extinction protests, compared to ours, springs to mind.

317163 ▶▶ Spikedee1, replying to Smelly Melly, 3, #429 of 2163 🔗

Wear a carnation in your lapel. The password is “the squirrel gathers its nuts in winter” the reply is “it’s harder when it is snowing”. Don’t forget you cyanide tablets and if you are caught LS disavows any of you actions. This text will self destruct in 20 seconds ……… 🤯

316963 kf99, 7, #430 of 2163 🔗

Look at any old road atlas from the 80/90s there are lots of ferry route options other than France. Felixstowe -Zeebrugge, Harwich – Ostende/Hamburg/Scandinavia etc. Why the obsession with Dover-Calais these days? Not to mention the pathetic volume of freight via the chunnel which has never reached expectations.

316968 Ned of the Hills, 4, #431 of 2163 🔗

“Every time the government ramps up the fear, it adds fuel to the fire of the catastrophe of its own making. Every attempt to control the virus leads events to spiral out of control.”

316992 ▶▶ John P, replying to Bruce Reynolds, -4, #433 of 2163 🔗

The WHO doesn’t change the definition. The propagandists who work for them are clearly manipulating the situation to suit Big Pharma.

316999 ▶▶▶ Jonathan Palmer, replying to John P, 6, #434 of 2163 🔗

Sounds like a conspiracy

318322 ▶▶▶ richard riewer, replying to John P, #435 of 2163 🔗

Several members of the W.H.O.’s executve board were removed from office a couple of years ago because of their ties with pharmaceutical companies. It’s a sham at the top. Look at their latest president. Check out the R Wood Foundation. That’s where a lot of Johnson & Johnson’s profits go. One of the last new members of the FDA was a R Wood Johnson alumni, so to speak. They all work together, fund each other, recruit each other and make the rules that have led us to this moment in time. It’s all Public Health, in all its guises and disguises.

317016 ▶▶ Basics, replying to Bruce Reynolds, 10, #436 of 2163 🔗

The WHO changed their definition of pandemic in 2009 in order to trigger emergency contracts which benefitted people finacially. This was proven in court. I cannot see if herd immunity as quoted in the tweet has been peeled from WHO documents, but it’s likely.

Tedros psl and globalist sridhar has sprnt 2020 arguing against herd immunity only to replace that campaigning for campaigning for synthetic vaccinated herd immunity. The ‘vaccines’ not giving immunity is a minor detail.

316993 Elenesse, replying to Elenesse, 25, #437 of 2163 🔗

I’m just so done with all this. I texted my best friend suggesting we exchange presents but she replied back saying her husband wants to self isolate because he’s anxious about the new strain. It actually brought me to tears, the disappointment that otherwise intelligent people allow themselves to be manipulated in this way.

How the hell can we combat this? Fear is such a primal emotion and so easily manipulated!

316997 ▶▶ chaos, replying to Elenesse, 16, #438 of 2163 🔗

It is eye opening to say the least just how much of our population is WET, cowardly.. and thick. I expect the elites too were and are also surprised.

317018 ▶▶ Thomas_E, replying to Elenesse, 8, #439 of 2163 🔗

We can’t combat this..It’s done.People who are infected-yes I use that word on purpose, can not and will not be woken up until BBC or the MSM tells them they are allowed.

317400 ▶▶▶ Johnb, replying to Thomas_E, #440 of 2163 🔗

This is true for the population as a mass. But people post on here daily about how individuals can change, learn, and see through the covid bollocks.

If we’re there with facts, support, and common sense, it’s more likely. 🙂

317027 ▶▶ Achilles, replying to Elenesse, 9, #441 of 2163 🔗

There’s not much you can do as emotion trumps logic and the fear campaign has been entirely about manipulating emotion. Telling an arachnophobe that a spider can’t hurt them will not stop them being scared, even if you prove it. For the Covidian it’s a long course of de-programming that’s required or they need a tipping point where they still believe it but they suddenly realise that the consequences of lockdown have become much worse for them, such as redundancy.

317056 ▶▶ Janice21, replying to Elenesse, 7, #442 of 2163 🔗

Brainwashing, pure and simple. Even those who you would never believe to be so naive.

316994 swedenborg, replying to swedenborg, 16, #443 of 2163 🔗

This is a rather shocking conclusion and need to be confirmed by others. The basis is  the fourth round of serological testing in 16thNov-29th Nov in Spain. The document is below. No idea which exact antibody test used. Not gone through the document in detail. The main use of this serological survey for the government was to give a total antibody level of 10 % in the Spanish population. This was to be used in a promotion of the vaccine campaign.
But inside this document seems to be antibody levels in patients admitted with PCR tests pos having remarkable low levels of antibody levels. Somebody has to go through this in detail to really confirm if this is true.

https://mobile.twitter.com/ClareCraigPath/status/1341131426008346624

https://portalcne.isciii.es/enecovid19/informes/informe_cuarta_ronda.pdf


“Spanish antibody testing has failed to confirm COVID in 87% of their hospitalised patients and even 53% of their ICU COVID patients. Looks like Spain is in a false positive pseudo-epidemic.”

317195 ▶▶ swedenborg, replying to swedenborg, 2, #444 of 2163 🔗

In the study they have about 43000 persons who were negative in serology in round 1,2,3 and their antibody status now in this fourth round.
Difficult to see that there were still 307 never wearing a mask in the most mask fanatic country in the world. But the results are rather amusing. Seems to show that not wearing a mask only 3% antibodies but I suppose not statistically different from the always mask 3.8 %.

Use of masks ( >6 years)
Never         307          3,0    1,4 – 6,3
Sometimes 845         3,9    2,6 – 5,8
Always     41550        3,8     3,5 – 4,1

Quickly reading through there are some questions. How valid are reporting of symptoms? Self reported?. How valid are information about PCR results, self-reported or from medical records?
Somebody in the know has to go through this data in to assess how reliable they really are.

317004 D B, 4, #445 of 2163 🔗

The thing that people say to me that makes my blood boil the most is “no one is happy about it *insert nonsensical non-pharmaceutical intervention here* but it’s not that bad, just get over it”

If you’re not FUCKING HAPPY about it, DON’t FUCKING DO IT, and then this thing will be over in a heartbeat.

317009 muzzle, replying to muzzle, 11, #446 of 2163 🔗

My town Facebook group posted a “helpful” anecdote the other day saying that Portsmouth A&E had added extra staff [to cope with extra demand] so don’t take any risks over the festive season. I took my daughter there last week. We were the only people there. She was booked in by two nurses, presumably because one of them was at a loose end. Unfortunately the admins of the group had turned comments off on the post.

317024 ▶▶ Basics, replying to muzzle, 1, #447 of 2163 🔗

No risks for some in household that have brain dead head teachers in them (all in all bricks in wall) will be having a christmas dinner served and eaten with bare hands with all the windows open. Coats not allowed.

317083 ▶▶ mhcp, replying to muzzle, 5, #448 of 2163 🔗

My wife does work there sometimes. I was there last Sunday. Car park basically empty.

317022 Bart Simpson, replying to Bart Simpson, 5, #449 of 2163 🔗

Worth watching. It’s funny but at the same time disturbing as it shows how parents with all the best intentions are acutally complicit in this large scale child abuse:

https://twitter.com/FatEmperor/status/1340800113258749956

317043 ▶▶ Janice21, replying to Bart Simpson, 1, #450 of 2163 🔗

LOL! Brilliant. Makes me proud of how I am raising my kids.

317379 ▶▶ Johnb, replying to Bart Simpson, #451 of 2163 🔗

The road to hell is paved with good intentions. So best intentions probably lead to an even nastier place …

PS JP’s ‘Apology to ScrewU-tube’ is also essential viewing.

317025 Two-Six, #452 of 2163 🔗

Ding x2

317026 Gavroche, replying to Gavroche, 17, #453 of 2163 🔗

So, Prof Pennington makes some important points about the lack of evidence behind the ‘70% more infectious’ claim. So far, so good. But then he comes out with this: “We haven’t seen any data that shows the increase in England is down to the new variant rather than people just not behaving themselves”.

‘People just not behaving themselves’. That’s right, Professor, because dealing with a contagious respiratory virus can be reduced to a simplistic morality tale, whereby if we do enough individual acts of penance (social distancing, mask wearing, destroying the social fabric), then the Gods of Covid will be placated and may save our souls. However, as long as there are a few thousand of us not abasing ourselves in the approved way, we will continue to displease the Gods of Covid and their retribution will be swift and merciless.

How is it that experienced, apparently intelligent scientists can come up with this kind of medieval nonsense? I despair!

317035 ▶▶ Achilles, replying to Gavroche, 3, #454 of 2163 🔗

Don’t forget the underlying conceit that they are the informed parents and we are the ill-educated children who should do what we’re told to as they know best.

317825 ▶▶ djaustin, replying to Gavroche, #455 of 2163 🔗

Skeptic or not, I think it’s reasonable to assume that the vast majority of people HAVE been behaving themselves. The fact is that schools have been open and children can spread contagion. Other restrictions were not as severe in Lockdown 2, but this is probably a modest effect. And why should the South East of the country behave so much differently to the rest where spread was contained and reduced up to Dec02? It’s very unlikely to be behaviour.

317032 John P, replying to John P, #456 of 2163 🔗

For those who think that Claus Schwab can have any direct control of this country I direct you to the Bill of Rights (1689) which sets out who is in control of this country.

Until and unless this is repealed then it is PARLIAMENT and in particular the executive led by the Prime Minister who is in charge. Nobody else!

Schwab has no jurisdiction here!

Some highlights:

The Declaration of Right was enacted in an Act of Parliament, the Bill of Rights 1689, which received Royal Assent in December 1689. The Act asserted “certain ancient rights and liberties” by declaring that:

  • the pretended power of suspending the laws and dispensing with laws by regal authority without consent of Parliament is illegal;
  • keeping a standing army in time of peace, unless it be with consent of Parliament, is against law;
  • election of members of Parliament ought to be free;
  • the freedom of speech and debates or proceedings in Parliament ought not to be impeached or questioned in any court or place out of Parliament;
  • promises of fines and forfeitures before conviction are illegal and void;
  • for redress of all grievances, and for the amending, strengthening and preserving of the laws, Parliaments ought to be held frequently.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bill_of_Rights_1689

317039 ▶▶ Ossettian, replying to John P, 5, #457 of 2163 🔗

“promises of fines and forfeitures before conviction are illegal and void;”

They happen all the time.

The WA is against a different part the Bill of Rights.

You seem unable to grasp the difference between what is supposed to happen and what actually happens.

317046 ▶▶▶ John P, replying to Ossettian, -14, #458 of 2163 🔗

Fuck off you patronising shit.

317086 ▶▶▶▶ Basics, replying to John P, 4, #459 of 2163 🔗

Saad to see John you are becoming absurd. Suggest take a break and commune with a breath of fresh air.

317068 ▶▶▶ calchas, replying to Ossettian, 5, #460 of 2163 🔗

“You seem unable to grasp the difference between what is supposed to happen and what actually happens.”

This.

Just look at the written constitution of any totalitarian country. It is all chrysanthemums and teddy bears.

317369 ▶▶▶▶ Johnb, replying to calchas, #461 of 2163 🔗

Good point.

Offhand, are there any other constitutions that specifically state the right to bear arms is inviolate ?

317042 ▶▶ thedarkhorse, replying to John P, 4, #462 of 2163 🔗

He may not have jurisdiction, but there is clearly some power being sent out to governments in order to get them singing from the same hymn sheets. There is a power behind this world, of some magnitude, that is driving events. I may be tempted even to suggest E.T……just to stir debate.

317051 ▶▶▶ Charlie Blue, replying to thedarkhorse, 1, #463 of 2163 🔗

“There is clearly some power being sent out….”. What do you think the leverage is, darkhorse? How is it deployed?

317075 ▶▶▶▶ thedarkhorse, replying to Charlie Blue, 4, #464 of 2163 🔗

We live in a time of deception. Anything can be happening. Including the unthinkable. Leverage? nuclear war? alien attack? Our minds should not be closed to any possibility, no matter how stupid it might seem. After all, we have all been subjected to lockdown this year, which in 2019 was unthinkable and “conspiracy theory”.
I take the scouts’ motto to heart, be prepared. For anything. No matter how unthinkable.

317212 ▶▶▶▶▶ Charlie Blue, replying to thedarkhorse, #465 of 2163 🔗

My mind is not closed. That’s why I am interested in everybody’s theories and ask to hear more about them.

317497 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ charleyfarley, replying to Charlie Blue, #466 of 2163 🔗

My own world view was shattered by the discovery, some years after 9/11, of the collapse into its own footprint by Building 7. In other words, it was a controlled explosion. NIST eventually admitted that the building was in free fall for about one and three quarter seconds.

If the official narrative as to who was responsible is thus demonstrably false, what other “narratives” we have been told to believe are untrue? How many people are actually aware of the collapse of the third tower?

317092 ▶▶▶▶ Jonathan Palmer, replying to Charlie Blue, 3, #467 of 2163 🔗

Always follow the money.
Corporations,foundations Hedge funds and the Banks have corrupted institutions and politics in this country and many other places.

317052 ▶▶▶ John P, replying to thedarkhorse, -10, #468 of 2163 🔗

Oh for God’s sake!

BORIS JOHNSON IS IN CHARGE HERE NOBODY ELSE!

They all fucking copy each other. There is no mythical power controlling them.

NONE.

317077 ▶▶▶▶ Noumenon, replying to John P, 3, #469 of 2163 🔗

Presumably banks and shareholders have no power here according to you?

317223 ▶▶▶▶ Sceptic in SA, replying to John P, 2, #470 of 2163 🔗

John, the UK government, in fact 99% if not all governments, are in debt to the central banks. It’s not mythical. They control the world’s finances, and thus the governments. Does that not make sense to you?

317507 ▶▶▶▶▶ charleyfarley, replying to Sceptic in SA, 1, #471 of 2163 🔗

“Now look, you owe us all this money, maybe you could do something for us? Nice little economy you have here. Would be a shame if anything bad happened to it.”

318349 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ richard riewer, replying to charleyfarley, 1, #472 of 2163 🔗

What about Belarus refusing money from the World Bank several months ago? What was that all about? They bribe all the time. With your/our money.

317253 ▶▶▶▶ watashi, replying to John P, 2, #473 of 2163 🔗

How can you be so sure? why are they all taking the same actions and using the same phrases? introducing the same measures? surely it`s too suspicious?

317074 ▶▶ Noumenon, replying to John P, 4, #474 of 2163 🔗

“De jure” vs. “de facto”. Go look it up!

And read some history and politics in general while you’re at it.

317620 ▶▶ Kevin 2, replying to John P, #475 of 2163 🔗

Well, parallel events in the US over the next 4 weeks will be somewhat of a litmus test.

317033 guy153, replying to guy153, 7, #476 of 2163 🔗

The Telegraph article isn’t saying the new variant was found in Brazil 8 months ago. One of the mutations in it was seen there. It has arisen in a few places independently (and doesn’t seem to have made much difference).

The new variant has 23 mutations. But they don’t necessarily make any difference to its prospects any more than your grandfather’s big ears and your mother’s bad temper make any difference to yours even if you inherited them.

If you increase R0 due to mid-winter, “bad” behaviour, etc., whatever variant is around fills that new bit of space created. If it happens to get a head-start of a week over some other variant, just because of luck, there might already be 7x as much of it around and it grows from there.

We will know if the new “strain” is the real deal in a few months if it takes over practically the whole pie the way D614G did.

317124 ▶▶ Tyneside Tigress, replying to guy153, 4, #477 of 2163 🔗

Guy, surely it would have already taken over if it was found in a September sample, taken at a time when schools had gone back across the country and life was starting to get going again (of sorts). Moreover, if it is now ‘out of control’ then surely it must be less aggressive as death numbers in the ONS survey are down for a second week and numbers on mechanical ventilation are flat?

317151 ▶▶▶ guy153, replying to Tyneside Tigress, 3, #478 of 2163 🔗

Yes I think so. It’s not impossible that it was more infectious but unlucky at the start so is only just getting going now. But more likely I think that it’s just different, not much more or less infectious.

The claim that it’s more infectious seems to be based on the observation that it spread quickly in the middle of winter during a lockdown everyone was ignoring especially in Kent. This is not what you would call high-quality evidence.

317158 ▶▶▶▶ Tyneside Tigress, replying to guy153, 2, #479 of 2163 🔗

Exactly, but since when did that deter Neil Ferguson, and indeed, Vallance and Whitty! Thanks for your reply – very much appreciate your insights.

317165 ▶▶▶▶▶ Tyneside Tigress, replying to Tyneside Tigress, 2, #480 of 2163 🔗

In other words, they were already primed to do this, were just waiting for ‘confirmation’. Mr TT, a former energy academic, could rewrite this from the perspective of climate change ‘science’ and ‘modelling’.

317382 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Will, replying to Tyneside Tigress, 1, #481 of 2163 🔗

Or they were waiting to “strike” just as the blip reaches its peak so they can claim credit for their lockdown/ tier 4 and perpetuate the myth that they are in control. The Zoe app is showing a slowdown. It will be level by the middle of next week and then, of course the ONS survey will start reporting again and show it was the “lockdown what did it”.

317038 chaos, replying to chaos, 2, #482 of 2163 🔗

Toby AND Delingpole are both wrong.

Covid is the ruse we have been sold. The one egotistical pricks like Trudeau and Boris have jumped on. Thinking the people will ove them for delivering Shangrila.

But the Great Greta LGBTQ reset is the ruse our leaders and pricks like Prince Charles have been sold by those who really pull the strings.

Both are trojan horses for a good old fashion great depression.

Covis is just a cold. And The Great Reset is flannel.

317049 ▶▶ Julian, replying to chaos, 1, #483 of 2163 🔗

Who is it that “really pulls the strings” and how exactly are they pulling them?

317067 ▶▶▶ John P, replying to Julian, -5, #484 of 2163 🔗

Fuckling hell. I’ve just posted it.

NOBODY IS PULLING THE FUCKING STRINGS.

BORIS JOHNSON IS IN CHARGE HERE.

317098 ▶▶▶▶ Mayo, replying to John P, 3, #485 of 2163 🔗

Has Johnson been driving policy in the rest of the developed world for the past 10 months?

Pretty impressive given he was only elected a year ago.

317185 ▶▶▶▶ Dan Clarke, replying to John P, 2, #486 of 2163 🔗

Johnson is not in charge, he looks like a defeated man whose been told what’s what

317357 ▶▶▶▶ Johnb, replying to John P, 2, #487 of 2163 🔗

But you fully respect our right to hold differing views, John, yes ?

317070 ▶▶▶ Crystal Decanter, replying to Julian, 1, #488 of 2163 🔗

China and Russia know all the dirt about Trudeau Macron Trump Biden and Pfalafel
The West is weak and the leaders are weaker
Doesn’t need to be anything else other than economic war

317227 ▶▶▶ Sceptic in SA, replying to Julian, 2, #489 of 2163 🔗

The world bankers, because the govt’s are in debt to them. IE via control of the world’s finances

317355 ▶▶▶ Johnb, replying to Julian, 1, #490 of 2163 🔗

Who is it that “really pulls the strings” and how exactly are they pulling them?

The $64 million question ! Though I guess you’re being a tad ingenuous here, Julian.

  • If I pulled the strings, it would be through a vast chain of underlings.
  • My photo would not be available.
  • My very existence, and especially my finances, would be matters of mere speculation.

And they’re quite likely as bright as me, so do you really expect them to own up and emerge in the public gaze ? 🙂

317065 ▶▶ John P, replying to chaos, -2, #491 of 2163 🔗

Lo! The voice of Our Lord has spoken.

Pray, dear chaos, save us from the demon Claus!

(sarcastic joke)

317047 cloud6, replying to cloud6, 7, #492 of 2163 🔗

Two rules Britain in action…..

The Duke and Duchess of Cambridge were accused on Monday of flouting the rule of six after meeting up with the Earl and Countess of Wessex with their children at a Christmas attraction….

Just discovered a new deadly disease, Coviditus, it’s symptoms are :

  1. Mental Health (similar to Bi-Polar)
  2. Irratibility and and irrational actions
  3. Aggressive
  4. Losing track and time of tasks
  5. Forgetfulness and distraction
  6. Socially isolated with poor external engagement

Bojo,ancock,tarmer,turgeon,rakeford and oster have all caught this disease along with the majority of the UK’s population.

Finally I blame remainers (revenge) for the chaos as they still cannot stomach the democratic vote in 2016.

317059 ▶▶ Charlie Blue, replying to cloud6, 1, #493 of 2163 🔗

Good! I’m glad if they flouted the rules. It might make their adoring fans question their own blind obeisance.

317321 ▶▶ Dodderydude, replying to cloud6, #494 of 2163 🔗

Yes, I read about this. I may be wrong but I thought the number limitations excluded children under about six years of age?

318726 ▶▶ richard riewer, replying to cloud6, #495 of 2163 🔗

The 17 million democratic voters that are still being referred to as the far right.

317053 swedenborg, replying to swedenborg, 2, #496 of 2163 🔗

The BBC investigative report about the search of the origin of Sars Cov-2

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-china-55364445

should be read then compared to this twitter thread from Alina Chan, someone studying the virus and having vast knowledge in the subject incl. the persons interviewed in the BBC report

 https://twitter.com/Ayjchan/status/1341186710969982978

317062 ▶▶ John P, replying to swedenborg, -1, #497 of 2163 🔗

I think the source is most likely to be Chris Whitty’s arse. (Joke)

317055 DRW, replying to DRW, 9, #498 of 2163 🔗

What are the odds next Christmas is similarly cancelled? I expect new mutation claims will keep this going. 21, 22, 23, all natural occurences ruthlessly exploited. Endless dodgy testing, endless LD cycles, endless dodgy vaccines all the way to dystopian hell. At least the “conspiracy” accusers will evemtually get as rightfully deserved.

317057 ▶▶ John P, replying to DRW, -4, #499 of 2163 🔗

I’m not a betting man.

317069 Lainey, replying to Lainey, 37, #500 of 2163 🔗

My partner’s mum works as a Healthcare assistant on the C-19 ward, has already caught it and is a rule follower bar none. She is also a Christian. We weren’t surprised when she texted to say she was ‘devastated’ at ‘having’ to cancel Christmas. It’s also her daughter’s b’day on Dec 27th. She is rather a rule follower and her partner is a policeman.
My partner texted her back saying she has a choice and she can choose whether or not to have Christmas and we wouldn’t be going to any ‘late christmas celebrations’ as they’re not Xmas!
She came round yesterday morning (technically breaking Tier 4 rules) to drop off presents and have a cuppa and, although she claims they’re overwhelmed in the hospital and this time people are in their 50s – we pointed out many things LS talk about. /
I felt shaky and angry and overwhelmed. In March Larken Rose and James Corbett both said ‘where is your no’ and write down your predictions of how this’ll play out.
We explained she would never have believed in March this would lead to Christmas being cancelled and how we don’t know if we’ll ever be ‘allowed’ one again.
How can she be so sure this will end when it keeps getting stricter – where is her no.
I also mentioned about Jesus and how he defied immoral laws and walked in his authentic truth despite being crucified for his beliefs.
She left saying she’d speak to her husband and she what he wanted to do.
Later she texted and said we could come round as planned!!!
Imagine that!
A HUGE step. Now, I doubt the rest of the family will join as they normally do but I feel this is a massive leap for a normal family following the rules!

317095 ▶▶ Banjones, replying to Lainey, 5, #501 of 2163 🔗

Haven’t we been told recently that ”overwhelmed” hospitals mean that their so-called ”Covid wards” are full?
(And probably full of poorly people who’ve been unfortunate enough to test positive. ”Ignore the tyre marks, nurse. Just put him on the list.”)

317169 ▶▶ thinkaboutit, replying to Lainey, 1, #502 of 2163 🔗

Hugs all round! Well done.

317311 ▶▶ Dodderydude, replying to Lainey, 1, #503 of 2163 🔗

“people in their 50s…”

Not a surprise. Many of these people will now be suffering the collateral impact of lockdown. They are people of an age where cracks start to appear in our health and they will have put off being checked or treated, or will have been delayed by the health service itself. Having now been admitted to hospital, probably as a perfectly avoidable case, they are tested on admittance or may have had a false positive test weeks ago and, purely incidentally, become classified and put on the statistics as a +ve case.

317072 John P, replying to John P, -9, #504 of 2163 🔗

Well, the 77th’s WEF division is out in force today.

Operation “Let’s-Get-The-Fat-Controller-Off-The-Hook” is a great success. More and more of these threads’ black sheep are buying their WEF bollocks.

We’re all doomed I tell you! It’s not Boris Johnson who is in charge of this country. No, it’s Claus Schwab!

I’m sure Boris Johnson and his cronies are very relieved that they’re not going to be blamed for all of this. Ellwood will be getting a promotion for pulling this one off!

317084 ▶▶ Jonathan Palmer, replying to John P, 9, #505 of 2163 🔗

The British Prime minister has not been in charge of this country since 1940 when we bankrupted the country and lost the ability of independent action.That is fact.To suggest there is a guiding hand is not to absolve Johnson of blame.

317113 ▶▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to Jonathan Palmer, #506 of 2163 🔗

He needs a little more than a guiding hand

317130 ▶▶▶▶ Jonathan Palmer, replying to Nick Rose, 2, #507 of 2163 🔗

Do you not think he was told to put us into Christmas lockdown 2 days after he said it would be inhuman.Even for this government that is one hell of a u turn.

317154 ▶▶▶▶▶ Charlie Blue, replying to Jonathan Palmer, 2, #508 of 2163 🔗

I doubt he makes any decisions for himself. Told by whom, in this case? SAGE? Or…

317215 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Jonathan Palmer, replying to Charlie Blue, 1, #509 of 2163 🔗

Sage do the governments bidding not the other way around.

317252 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Charlie Blue, replying to Jonathan Palmer, #510 of 2163 🔗

Okay, so told by whom? Which member of Government do you think is calling the shots? Presumably Hancock or Gove….

317605 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Kevin 2, replying to Jonathan Palmer, #511 of 2163 🔗

??

317111 ▶▶ mattghg, replying to John P, 3, #512 of 2163 🔗

John, if the WEF or whoever is ultimately behind this that doesn’t let Bozo of the hook. This has been pointed out to you 1000s of times already.

317209 ▶▶ mhcp, replying to John P, 2, #513 of 2163 🔗

It’s not the WEF thing John. It’s more that the majority of the advisors in SAGE and NERVTAG are left leaning, collectivists. You can see this in their policies. You can see it in Whitty and Valance and Van Tam. It’s all about collective responsibilty. Never about the intuitive responsibilty of individuals in a system, like how capitalism works when you don’t dick around with protectionism and over-regulation.

So there’s a confluence of ideas where WEF is a collectivist ideology, the advice is collectivist advice, Boris and Hancock are making collectivist decisions even though they are supposed to be Tories. Then we have the collectivist woke BBC who haven’t been on the correct side of the argument for decades.

So you are right that Boris is in charge. It’s just he only seems to be listening to the collectivists and lives in a collectivist led activist bubble. He gets it at home too.

For observers then you can’t tell if it’s coincidence or they are all singing from the same hymn sheet. In the end it doesn’t matter. We have a collectivist coup going on which is completely predictable because the government is listening to a bunch of modellers without auditing their work for policy.

And then those same modellers go on TV and big up their worst case predictions without any thought about the ethical implications of that.

317250 ▶▶ Mr Dee, replying to John P, 2, #514 of 2163 🔗

Hi John,

If you’re interested, here’s a link to the Great Reset podcasts, produced by the WEF itself:

https://soundcloud.com/world-economic-forum

Primary source material, so you can make an informed decision on the WEF agenda.

I’ve not yet made my mind up about the WEF. I’ve digested months of ‘Conspiracy theorists’ propaganda (but I also read the Fortean Times, and don’t necessarily believe in little green men, Victorian serial killers with superhuman powers or talking mongooses), now I’m listening to and reading up on the other side’s propaganda (thanks again Nick for Schwab’s books). The truth is probably, as usual, somewhere in between.

You are absolutely right, the buck in this country stops with Johnson. But I do think he’s being influenced by the WEF agenda. For example, his ‘Build Back Better’ mantra is repeated by others throughout these WEF podcasts. It’s a WEF Great Reset catchphrase.

317073 Tom Blackburn, replying to Tom Blackburn, 5, #515 of 2163 🔗

Why is everyone threatened by conspiracy theorists all of a sudden?

317080 ▶▶ Crystal Decanter, replying to Tom Blackburn, 1, #516 of 2163 🔗

Ickeism get you nowhere with the Normies
plain and simple

317088 ▶▶▶ calchas, replying to Crystal Decanter, 6, #517 of 2163 🔗

It is a two stage process.

In the first stage one points out the huge discrepancies between the scientific evidence and the statistics on the one hand and the measures taken by government on the other.

This is all I would advocate when discussing the topic with ‘normies’.

However, sooner or later even the sleepiest ‘normie’ asks:

Why?

317101 ▶▶▶▶ Julian, replying to calchas, 1, #518 of 2163 🔗

We’re all asking why – it’s natural

Maybe the best answer is that we don’t really know and it’s not important

But I can see how that won’t satisfy people

It’s tricky

Collective madness/political dishonesty vs more sinister motives – both explanations are quite hard to believe – I think that’s why people choose to think it’s all real and necessary

317115 ▶▶▶▶▶ calchas, replying to Julian, 2, #519 of 2163 🔗

I try and look at it like a detective:

motive, means, opportunity.

Given the vast shifts in wealth and powere associated with covid-19 I think a detective would conclude that there is a case to answer.

You are of course right – we do not ‘know’.

I think however that we can make some very plausible speculations.

318502 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ richard riewer, replying to calchas, #520 of 2163 🔗

Who is the Good, who is the Bad and who is the Ugly?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h1PfrmCGFnk

317186 ▶▶▶▶ Crystal Decanter, replying to calchas, -1, #521 of 2163 🔗

Occams Razor suggests the Pig Dictator, Rapists Dad and Hazel McWitch are complete retards
Doesn’t need to go any further – it’s counter productive

317598 ▶▶▶▶▶ Kevin 2, replying to Crystal Decanter, 1, #522 of 2163 🔗

Occam was wrong. If you present at A and E with a bullet in you, it suggests you have been shot. But then you may fail to investigate the possibility that it’s actually Covid.

317100 ▶▶▶ Tom Blackburn, replying to Crystal Decanter, 1, #523 of 2163 🔗

I’m just wondering why all of the angst now? What is the fear?

Is it just another layer to the bedwetter ‘onion’?

317116 ▶▶▶ Thomas_E, replying to Crystal Decanter, 1, #524 of 2163 🔗

Neither do scientific facts.At least CT are fun to look into . They are lizard people everywhere!!

317323 ▶▶▶ Johnb, replying to Crystal Decanter, #525 of 2163 🔗

Ickeism get you nowhere with the Normies

Telling them masks are useless gets you nowhere too. We should give up ?

317106 ▶▶ Basics, replying to Tom Blackburn, 5, #526 of 2163 🔗

CT is a proven propagandist method of shutting down critical discourse.

We see bbc Clair (aka Marianna Spring) and all msm working to raise the CT useage in daily conversations.

They cannot afford to allow common people to chat in an open curious wondering fashion – this is extremely dangerous to their aims/world view.

All of which is inarguable proof the ground they stand on is shakey.

317120 ▶▶▶ Tom Blackburn, replying to Basics, 3, #527 of 2163 🔗

I think this is true. Casting opposing views as ‘mad’ is a strategy as old as time. However, there appears now to be a very paranoid focus on conspiracy theorists – so much so that those banging on about it are the ones that look a bit ‘cranky’.

317206 ▶▶▶▶ Basics, replying to Tom Blackburn, 2, #528 of 2163 🔗

I think theres a hidden rubicon in the story of the boy who cried wolf. We may be crossing it. Yes.

How about that for impressive analogy!

317224 ▶▶▶▶▶ Tom Blackburn, replying to Basics, #529 of 2163 🔗

I like it. For my part, I plan to start calling myself a conspiracy theorist whilst doing scary monster hands. Small things amuse small minds.

317108 ▶▶ calchas, replying to Tom Blackburn, 2, #530 of 2163 🔗

I think one difference with most ‘conspiracy topics’ is that this is not a one-off event, but rather an ongoing process which is affecting all our lives and which has no obvious exit.

For this reason I expect many things to become clear in the fullness of time, because as we all know the measures are nothing to do with public health.

So, if the measures are nothing to do with public health, then there must be another reason.

The social and economic situation is bound to become explosive as time goes on. Whatever the reasons for the measures, further actions must at some time be taken. Time is not on the side of the authorities.

317138 ▶▶▶ Tom Blackburn, replying to calchas, 4, #531 of 2163 🔗

It seems to have become a catch-all slur to chuck out without very much thought. I’ve been called it and when I ask, ‘go on then, what conspiracy do I believe in?’… there is no answer. I’m thinking a lot of bedwetters are actually on the brink of becoming quite unwell themselves.

317076 swedenborg, replying to swedenborg, #532 of 2163 🔗

This twitter thread form Muge Cevik an expert in the mutation in the new variant

https://twitter.com/mugecevik/status/1341094907327492097

She wants to give an objective view of what is happening and reassure?

But in the last twitter she remembers the religious mantra

“But according to what we already know, it does not alter the effectiveness of social distancing, face masks, hand washing, hand sanitisers and ventilation. Important to continue following these measures”

317087 ▶▶ Banjones, replying to swedenborg, 6, #533 of 2163 🔗

I don’t mind people being reminded to wash their hands (there have always been some mucky b*ggers out there) but gloves would therefore be much more effective than muzzles. And if ventilation is so important – tell these dimwits to STOP WEARING THEIR MUZZLES IN THE OPEN AIR!

317103 ▶▶▶ Tyneside Tigress, replying to Banjones, 1, #534 of 2163 🔗

Quite a few of them are doctors and nurses too – my kids were at a school that was disproportionately kids of academics, consultants and senior nurses – personal hygiene seemed to be very low on their agendas.

317291 ▶▶▶▶ Dodderydude, replying to Tyneside Tigress, #535 of 2163 🔗

I know someone who many years ago moved into a house that had previously been occupied by a hospital doctor. She couldn’t believe the disgusting conditions left behind. Everything needed scrubbing and a thorough deep clean.

317217 ▶▶ mhcp, replying to swedenborg, 3, #536 of 2163 🔗

From Joel Smalley’s stuff, even hand washing makes bugger all difference. It looks very much like it’s all down to you and how you look after yourself that determines the impact of any virus.

I.e. you’re not saving anyone if you don’t look after yourself first

317082 Banjones, 3, #537 of 2163 🔗

I daresay others have posted this (I’ve only just arrived) but as things get hectic through the day, don’t want it to be missed!

https://petition.parliament.uk/petitions/564421

317089 TimeIsNow, replying to TimeIsNow, 14, #538 of 2163 🔗

Sad trip into town today. Every shop seems to have no mask no entry signs. I was told off by a teenage barista in a coffee shop. Took their offered mask, binned it and left. One customer that won’t trouble them again. Went into a watch shop, supermarket mask free though and no issue. Workers took their mask off whilst talking to me. Having a big sign doesn’t seem to indicate whether they enforce it. 60% wearing a mask outside now. How long before that’s mandatory? Has been in Spain since June.

317242 ▶▶ Seansaighdeoir, replying to TimeIsNow, 3, #539 of 2163 🔗

Its not mandatory in Spain. Its mandatory when you are in the company of others or when shopping etc. When you are alone in the street for instance you do not need to wear a mask.

317090 chaos, replying to chaos, 10, #540 of 2163 🔗

1500 lorries now backed up at Dover..

Could this be the undoing of the pig dictator?

317097 ▶▶ Tyneside Tigress, replying to chaos, 8, #541 of 2163 🔗

At last night’s press conference, Shapps said it was down to 150 – did he get the decimal place wrong!

317141 ▶▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Tyneside Tigress, 10, #542 of 2163 🔗

Shapps said on the Today Programme yesterday that truckers are ‘a hardy bunch who are used to queues so they won’t mind.’

3-4 days or more stuck in the cab with no more than a biscuit bar on offer.
No facilities, toilets, food outlets, at the so called lorry parks designated for no deal Brexit and probably not getting home in time for Christmas.
Let’s see if they don’t mind Shapps.

317239 ▶▶▶ Bugle, replying to Tyneside Tigress, 3, #543 of 2163 🔗

Shapps’ comments last night made it evident he knows diddly-squat about transport. He tried to gloss over the Channel problem by saying we have other ports. It may be the case that only 17% of our cross border trade goes across the Channel, but this figure includes food, fresh and perishable. So if the Channel ports are shut, shortages will occur in shops. As things stand, it is not possible just to divert to other ports, especially if they are containerised (or blocked up with surplus or sub-standard PPE).

Of course HMG could have considered this problem in March when Macron leaned on Boris to lock down the first time. What strategic thinker would leave their enemy with a stranglehold over their supply lines?

317353 ▶▶▶▶ George L, replying to Bugle, 3, #544 of 2163 🔗

Talking of Macron.. he’s making the most of this UK virus strain non event. Already his minions are demanding permanent strict lockdown of France after 26th December. Its almost as if this were in perfect Lock-Step.. eh!

318517 ▶▶▶▶ richard riewer, replying to Bugle, 1, #545 of 2163 🔗

This Shapps fellow is Transport Minister?

318632 ▶▶▶▶▶ Bugle, replying to richard riewer, 1, #546 of 2163 🔗

Surprisingly, yes.

318733 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ richard riewer, replying to Bugle, 1, #547 of 2163 🔗

Put him in a lorry and send him to line up in the queue at Dover/Calais.

317093 quasi_verbatim, 5, #548 of 2163 🔗

317099 John Ballard, replying to John Ballard, 4, #549 of 2163 🔗

Deaths in England and Wales over the past 5 weeks = 12368 average…. deaths in 5 weeks in January = 12554 ……but at the moment 30K covid cases a day, hospitals at breaking point, 400K tests a day to give us the 30K cases with lots of healthy false positives, but lower deaths than January? How does that work? 2756 covid deaths last week, which is always debatable as many would have underlying issues, 85% of them over 70, sad but highly likely covid was not the underlying issue.
Only politician that seems to talk any sense seems to be from Reform UK.

317104 ▶▶ Mayo, replying to John Ballard, -1, #550 of 2163 🔗

There is a lag of about 3 weeks between initial infection and death.

317114 ▶▶▶ quasi_verbatim, replying to Mayo, 10, #551 of 2163 🔗

There is a lag of about one week between initial infection and recovery for 99.97% of symptomatics.

317123 ▶▶▶ Basics, replying to Mayo, 1, #552 of 2163 🔗

Fuck me, did I just scroll back into September, weeks before the bill and ben graph to the moon?

Be afraid, they said, one, two, three weeks to convert tests to deaths. We waited and waited and waited. Perhaps they meant from this week not last, give them the benefit of doubt lets give it six weeks. In a strange way we are still waiting…

317144 ▶▶▶▶ dpj, replying to Basics, 2, #553 of 2163 🔗

We’re also still waiting for all those people dying 2 weeks after they went to Bournemouth beach.

317129 ▶▶▶ Will, replying to Mayo, 1, #554 of 2163 🔗

It is four weeks but you know that you are just here on the troll, as usual.

317136 ▶▶▶ anon, replying to Mayo, 2, #555 of 2163 🔗

fun fact. I gave up eating mayonnaise because of you.

317198 ▶▶▶▶ Basics, replying to anon, 1, #556 of 2163 🔗

Fun fact. Mayonnaise light is made from mouldy cabbage spores.

317148 ▶▶▶ Charlie Blue, replying to Mayo, 3, #557 of 2163 🔗

Absolutely. For those that are vulnerable. So expected deaths (with or from) need to be based on positive tests by age-group, surely? We can at least exclude all those secondary-age children with positive tests who we are told are contributing hugely to the figures.

317237 ▶▶▶ RickH, replying to Mayo, 1, #558 of 2163 🔗

So?

There is a lag of infinity between computer-modelled mortality predictions and reality a la Chuckle Brothers and the Fergus-loon.

317131 ▶▶ Banjones, replying to John Ballard, 2, #559 of 2163 🔗

But hospitals are not ”at breaking point”, are they? Perhaps their ”covid wards” are, but that’s because they’re shoving anyone who tests positive in those, no matter what else they’re being treated for. Or so I’ve been told.

317105 therealpeter, replying to therealpeter, #560 of 2163 🔗

I’ve been writing on this site for six months but for over a week I am blocked from using the name peter with my email address. Zero of my comments are being published.
Instead another person called peter has appeared posting here everyday, creepy stuff.
The person who is now calling themselves peter not a hardcore lockdown sceptic like myself.

317207 ▶▶ rms, replying to therealpeter, #561 of 2163 🔗

I’m looking into it. How do you know what email address they use? Are you sure you email account is not compromised.

317241 ▶▶▶ Johnb, replying to rms, #562 of 2163 🔗

Had this (to excess !) yesterday, with another poster also using JohnB. Even though I was logged in all day.

317586 ▶▶▶▶ rms, replying to Johnb, #563 of 2163 🔗

See my email to you. Please respond.

317593 ▶▶ rms, replying to therealpeter, #564 of 2163 🔗

We do not force commenters to register with a name. registered names are unique. You can register “Peter” (if still available) and it is yours to use and nobody else can use it. If you don’t register, then you’ll see others can take your preferred name. I take note that the email you use for your comments (we can see but are not visible to everyone) appears to be “fake”. If you register, you’ll be required to provide a real email address for the account, but that info is not released to anyone.

317110 nickbowes, replying to nickbowes, 6, #565 of 2163 🔗

Richard D Hall has his latest scamdemic shows available @ richplanet.net and he is always worth a view but something he brought up in the 3rd show i find troubling and cannot shake from my mind. What if.. what if 2020 has seen a silent globalist coup inc obviously the so called “steal” in the US but more concerning for us here is the view that the Queen has also been dislodged as Head of State here , hence the lack of “Royal Ceremony” in legal proceedings and the seemingly steadfast march to fascism by the NWO bought Tories/Labour junta with a total disregard for democratic process.

317117 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to nickbowes, 3, #566 of 2163 🔗

The big theory is that Charles is being set up to drive the great reset. Queen steps down next year, William takes it. Charles has global role. I don’t really care for that kind of stuff. Nobody would believe you in any great number so if they want such things to happen, it will.

However, I do enjoy listening to the speculation

317231 ▶▶▶ Mr Dee, replying to BeBopRockSteady, #567 of 2163 🔗

Interview with Charley boy here on the Great Reset podcast – Episode 1.

https://soundcloud.com/world-economic-forum

The WEF, Heads of State, industry and commerce all publicly proclaiming their plans for the near future. All the powerbrokers are eager for the agenda – it’s a mixture of Green policies, Woke idealism and global collectivism from what I can gather so far.

Are they really doing it for the good of the planet and its inhabitants? Who knows. A bit odd that previously hard-core capitalists have suddenly become so virtuous, if you ask me, but I’m just suspicious when it comes to people in power. “Power corrupts. Absolute power corrupts absolutely.”

But here’s some primary source material, anyway, if you want to listen to it.

317118 ▶▶ watashi, replying to nickbowes, 1, #568 of 2163 🔗

I heard something similar elsewhere. Surely this would be major news if it were true?

317119 ▶▶ chaos, replying to nickbowes, 4, #569 of 2163 🔗

I have been saying this for months. She has been conveniently sidelined. I don’t know if she deliberately protected us from her eldest son. But her longevity and good health did protect us from him. Alas, the spider memo prince is now the spider memo great reset king.

317147 ▶▶▶ Jonathan Palmer, replying to chaos, 6, #570 of 2163 🔗

I have become a republican during this.The Queen has shown herself useless in defending the liberties of her subjects.What is the point of her if she cannot bring a rogue government to heel.

317234 ▶▶▶▶ RickH, replying to Jonathan Palmer, 1, #571 of 2163 🔗

When did a monarchy ever defend ‘the liberties of (its) subjects’? It’s a contradiction in terms.

317330 ▶▶▶▶▶ George L, replying to RickH, #572 of 2163 🔗

Spot on Rick.. they are in this crap right up to their necks and then some..

317543 ▶▶▶▶ charleyfarley, replying to Jonathan Palmer, #573 of 2163 🔗

Very well said.

317325 ▶▶▶ George L, replying to chaos, #574 of 2163 🔗

Yeah.. who was best friends with Jimmy Paedo Saville.. nothing to see there of course..

318526 ▶▶▶ richard riewer, replying to chaos, #575 of 2163 🔗

Who cares what Prince Charles wants to reset? He’s a dolt.

317143 ▶▶ Crystal Decanter, replying to nickbowes, 3, #576 of 2163 🔗

Queenie was sidelined when Heath took UK PLC into the Common Market
100% obsolete when Major signed Maastricht

317332 ▶▶▶ George L, replying to Crystal Decanter, #577 of 2163 🔗

Yes, and you’ve got to scratch the surface to find out this sort of stuff..

317173 ▶▶ Dan Clarke, replying to nickbowes, 3, #578 of 2163 🔗

What I’ve thought from the beginning, in this country, a coup has taken place, Johnson has been coerced to keep quiet

317199 ▶▶▶ Jonathan Palmer, replying to Dan Clarke, 3, #579 of 2163 🔗

It if it looks like a coup,talks like a coup and acts like one then it probably is.
Only explanation that makes any sense anymore.All others fall down at some point.
Modern Coups don’t need tanks on the streets,they just need control of the Media,Parliament and the courts.

317214 ▶▶▶▶ Bugle, replying to Jonathan Palmer, 1, #580 of 2163 🔗

And, soon, the money.

317280 ▶▶▶▶▶ Saved To Death, replying to Bugle, 1, #581 of 2163 🔗

I think control of the money came first. That’s what made possible control of the rest.

317338 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ George L, replying to Saved To Death, #582 of 2163 🔗

Oh yes.. the money power has been in the driving seat since the beginning..

317112 chaos, replying to chaos, 15, #583 of 2163 🔗

Suicides this year.. what’s the betting they are PCR testing the corpses for covid and calling most of them covid deaths?

317132 ▶▶ Janice21, replying to chaos, 5, #584 of 2163 🔗

This had entered my thoughts also. My neighbour knows of a girl who tragically passed away after she fell off her horse….it was down as a Covid death. This was back in May.

317140 ▶▶ Banjones, replying to chaos, 2, #585 of 2163 🔗

And the hospitals being ”overwhelmed” is due to their ”covid wards” being full because that’s where ”positive cases” are being put – no matter what else the poor souls are suffering from.

317243 ▶▶ Crystal Decanter, replying to chaos, -1, #586 of 2163 🔗

As long as the Tran knees get from the usual 40% to 50% I will consider that a 2020 win

317297 ▶▶ stevie, replying to chaos, #587 of 2163 🔗

Don’t think they have done any post mortem tests for Covid. I would imagine they could do blood tests for more accuracy. I think if they had done those tests the numbers would have come down.

317125 DJ Dod, replying to DJ Dod, 7, #588 of 2163 🔗

Re: incompetence v conspiracy – it looks as though tempers are getting a little frayed in the comments section today.

I would like to think that we can all agree that the Government’s handling of the ‘pandemic’ has been a disaster, but while it seems clear that certain groups and individuals have seized the opportunity to further their own agendas I don’t think we should rule out incompetence as the root cause of the current fiasco. As Helmut Schmidt (a former Chancellor of Germany) said: ‘The stupidity of Governments should never be underestimated’.

If any of you are interested in the (very) long list of policy errors which have wasted billions and blighted the lives of countless ordinary people I would recommend reading ‘The Blunders of our Governments’ by Anthony King and Ivor Crewe:

https://www.simonandschuster.co.uk/books/The-Blunders-of-Our-Governments/Anthony-King/9781780746180

Based on a track record like this it is entirely plausible that we are simply witnessing the latest and greatest of these blunders – one that that has been replicated around the world as a result of media hysteria and the eternal desire of politicians to be seen to be ‘doing something’.

317142 ▶▶ Jonathan Palmer, replying to DJ Dod, 9, #589 of 2163 🔗

Why the continuing mess.Governments across the world could have opened up in the summer and declared victory.There are no excess deaths only panic over a test which is flawed.A fact that is inconceivable that the government is not aware of.

317145 ▶▶▶ Banjones, replying to Jonathan Palmer, 2, #590 of 2163 🔗

The government is aware of everything. They have to be if they want to remain in control – as they do.

317153 ▶▶▶ Mark, replying to Jonathan Palmer, 2, #591 of 2163 🔗

Most likely imo because nobody wants to admit they got it disastrously wrong, and nobody wants to be the one stepping out from the herd too early. And doubtless there are a lot of political and other pressures exerted on politicians as well, as always. But the former is imo the underlying issue.

317181 ▶▶▶▶ Jonathan Palmer, replying to Mark, 3, #592 of 2163 🔗

If there is no conspiracy then someone is going to be responsible for spending up to £400 billion on a bad cold virus.How can the establishment of a police state be a product of governmental incompetence?

317304 ▶▶▶▶▶ Mark, replying to Jonathan Palmer, 1, #593 of 2163 🔗

“If there is no conspiracy then someone is going to be responsible for spending up to £400 billion on a bad cold virus.”

Exactly so.

How can the establishment of a police state be a product of governmental incompetence?

In reality the increase of state power at the expense of the individual is the natural order. it takes effort to resist it. “The condition upon which God hath given liberty to man is eternal vigilance; which condition if he break, servitude is at once the consequence of his crime and the punishment of his guilt.”

We are seeing just how rapidly this can operate when the fundamental safeguards have been undermined, right here, right now.

317187 ▶▶▶▶ calchas, replying to Mark, 8, #594 of 2163 🔗

I find that unlikely, becaue not only are measures not being rescinded, but they are being doubled down on.

If your thesis is correct then why:

Have governments not tightened up on the the PCR, so that the number of ‘cases’ falls, so that measures can be resicnded?

Have governments insisted right from the beginning of this that a vaccine was the only remedy – banned HCQ etc.?

Was the message right from the beginning that we have entered a ‘new n****’ – that things would never be the same again?

Has Sweden seemingly decided to join other governments in their incompetence?

Has there been so much censorship?

Has there been such a ruthless police response to demonstrations, particularly as compared to BLM?

317371 ▶▶▶▶▶ Mark, replying to calchas, #595 of 2163 🔗

If your thesis is correct then why:
Have governments not tightened up on the the PCR, so that the number of ‘cases’ falls, so that measures can be resicnded?

It appears there are plenty who still doggedly believe in the error their panic led them into back in March, and those who might have come to understand the scale of the mistake they have made cannot afford to make the necessary admissions required to change to a policy of downplaying the virus rather than exaggerating it. They would, of course, immediately be attacked by all the well placed “true believers”, and remaining opportunists, around them, and all their past statements and decisions used to destroy them.

Have governments insisted right from the beginning of this that a vaccine was the only remedy – banned HCQ etc. ?”

The HCQ issue seems pretty straightforwardly to have been mostly Trump Derangement. As for vaccines, well there is certainly plenty of money and influence behind pushing those, but more importantly imo the vaccine exit is the only one that allows the Guilty Men to claim vindication: “see, we protected you until the vaccine arrived to save us all”.

Was the message right from the beginning that we have entered a ‘new n****’ – that things would never be the same again?

Some said that, others claimed we would be able to get back to normal once we had “flattened the curve” or “defeated the virus”.

Has Sweden seemingly decided to join other governments in their incompetence?

I prefer not to form judgements on Sweden until all the true facts are in. It’s been lied about so many times by the panickers that it’s hard to take anything in the media that is negative about that country seriously.

Has there been so much censorship ?”

Yes, there’s always been this kind and amount of censorship. It’s just been about things you weren’t bothered about being censored. This is exactly the kind and scale of censorship that Britain standardly operates concerning things that are “unacceptable” to the establishment. It’s been directed at offences against “pc issues” mostly, in recent years.

See for example George Orwell’s famous piece, though he wrote when society and media were structured rather differently.

The Freedom of the Press

Has there been such a ruthless police response to demonstrations, particularly as compared to BLM ?”

See the response above. This is pretty much how the police have always responded to demos by genuinely dissenting groups seen as unacceptable and potentially threatening by the establishment.

BLM and XR etc are not remotely in the same category. They do not represent dissent at all, rather they are intimidatory mobs encouraged to march, to suppress dissent form the establishment’s ideologies.

317160 ▶▶ HelzBelz, replying to DJ Dod, 4, #596 of 2163 🔗

I hope you are right. But that doesn’t explain why they say no vaccine passports whilst clearly developing the technology for them. Or that vaccines will not be mandated, but then hint that we won’t be out of lockdown until everyone has had it… Which, like every other hint dropped in the press to date, has a high likelihood of becoming the reality.

317238 ▶▶▶ HelzBelz, replying to HelzBelz, 2, #597 of 2163 🔗

And of course the suppression and censorship of opposing views and the shutdown of debate.

317162 ▶▶ Janice21, replying to DJ Dod, 10, #598 of 2163 🔗

I dont really understand the Great reset or 77th brigade stuff…..it’s a bit too much of a rabbit hole for me at the moment. However I am open minded. I just come on here because its comforting to know how many others have a hate for mask wearing and the long list of other crap. I despise the governments in charge no matter what.
There is enough division going on everywhere now and it’s not nice to see it here.

317196 ▶▶▶ Charlie Blue, replying to Janice21, 6, #599 of 2163 🔗

This site is a great source of comfort and companionship for me too, Janice.I don’t think we need to be afraid of discussion here. Most people remain courteous (if passionate) and supportive of one another – I don’t think we are divided, even if a few contributors feel uncomfortable accepting variety of views and approaches. I think we make progress in our thinking by disagreeing and presenting different arguments.

317229 ▶▶▶ RickH, replying to Janice21, 4, #600 of 2163 🔗

The ’77th Brigade’ stuff is real – part of the intelligence/psy-ops machinery that has grown in recent decades, and is now focused on the domestic scene.

317290 ▶▶▶▶ stevie, replying to RickH, 2, #601 of 2163 🔗

Yes they even announced at a press conference that 77th brigade was being used to “fight covid”.

317189 ▶▶ Basics, replying to DJ Dod, 3, #602 of 2163 🔗

Useful comment.

However there is the decided push to be intolerant which I see as a more important matter. We are aware of how ‘this morning’ differs to normal discourse here. Reaching ones own limit ought not to result in the kind of useless comments being made (coming from me, I know!)

Disruptors to open discussion usually have an undisclosed reason.

The incompetence vs planned debate is black and white. Yet life is not black and white. We have a fogged vacuum for government, deliberately so. We all know what positive transparency ought to look like this is the opposite. Deliberately so.

Manipulators stir and collapse to wrecklessly ride the chaos. Why should government be any different? Danny Kruger said four or more years ago the Conservatives were going to bring in a period of creative chaos. I believe Bowles MP said the same. Do go and find those quotes. Not to see specifically what they said, but so that you know chaos is a tactic of governance willingly employed. Then perhaps have a think about to what ends.

Common Purpose woven throughout British civil service is full of concepts such as expert idiots put into positions of authority who are incapable. Why? Chaos. Deliberately controlled chaos. This is just a tiny fragment of indication about the vipers nest.

317203 ▶▶ John Galt, replying to DJ Dod, 3, #603 of 2163 🔗

Incompetence is still being pushed by some as the reason? Man alive. I thought we’d pushed past that a few months ago.

Oh no, the government’s of every country on the planet have incompetently blundered into a world where funnily enough they have absolute power and we no longer have any freedom! God, they’re just so incompetent! Whatever blunder will they do next!

317315 ▶▶▶ George L, replying to John Galt, 3, #604 of 2163 🔗

Yes, and as much as I like the the bloke, Peter Hitchens is still pushing this incompetent garbage. Sorry Pete you’re controlled opposition!

317226 ▶▶ RickH, replying to DJ Dod, 1, #605 of 2163 🔗

I reckon the causes and the motivations are multi-layered – a combination of both.

317298 ▶▶ George L, replying to DJ Dod, 4, #606 of 2163 🔗

I’m sorry but you can only allow for a modicum of incompetence. These bastards and appointed advisors know exactly what they’re doing.

If lay people like me are aware of the unremarkable yearly death statistics, the high survival rate, and the total inadequacy of PCR testing then I’m damn sure governments do.

There is no pandemic, there is no killer virus, but there is an agenda.. the new normal, build back better.. straight out of the mouths of the Davos crowd and associated money grubbers.

318538 ▶▶▶ richard riewer, replying to George L, #607 of 2163 🔗

You betcha! Free Assange!

317573 ▶▶ Kevin 2, replying to DJ Dod, 1, #608 of 2163 🔗

We should add evangelical ardour to the list of motivations.
As personified by Hancock.
He has what I would call a saviour complex (completely misguided of course), which means he actually believes himself, and believes in his role as saviour.
Extremely dangerous.
This complex allows one to see the results of an interim analysis of a clinical trial, and only see the headline figure that you want to see. Such as 95%.
And as much as he looks, his eyes will simply not be able to focus on the toxicity profile.

SAGE are simply black-hearted scoundrels.

317133 kf99, replying to kf99, 4, #609 of 2163 🔗

New Scottish Health “Secretary” announced . History graduate with no obvious experience of anything. Good comments in the thread

317350 ▶▶ Basics, replying to kf99, 1, #610 of 2163 🔗

Thanks. They cannot afford to allow experienced good people in.

317135 Banjones, 4, #611 of 2163 🔗

Don’t forget the petition – if nothing else it’ll make people feel they’re not alone.

https://petition.parliament.uk/petitions/564421

317137 Thomas_E, replying to Thomas_E, 26, #612 of 2163 🔗

To insert a bit of positivity here..I went to pick up a duck for Christmas dinner (Borough Market) and had a lovely experience at Wyndham House Poultry..No masks, very good service nd after a quick chat it turned out they are pretty much all sceptics. Please give them some custom but avoid The Ginger Pig like they plague. Hardcore, mask, covid zombies’.

317149 ▶▶ thinkaboutit, replying to Thomas_E, 1, #613 of 2163 🔗

Noted, I’ll look them up.

317150 Banjones, 1, #614 of 2163 🔗

Yes – I’ve posted it a couple of times so that it stays in the ‘new’ comments where newcomers are more likely to see it.

317156 Janice21, replying to Janice21, 5, #615 of 2163 🔗

I drove past an ambulance earlier (no siren, must be transporting someone). Both medics in the front were unmasked. No rags even hanging off ears or chin. Shock horror!!

317254 ▶▶ Lyra Silvertongue, replying to Janice21, 1, #616 of 2163 🔗

Police guy walked past me within a metre, no mask. He had quite an impressive beard.

A few minutes later his colleague parked their car right in the path of the ‘walking lanes’ that have been painted on the high street!

317281 ▶▶▶ stevie, replying to Lyra Silvertongue, 2, #617 of 2163 🔗

The mask will not seal correctly if you have a beard. It doesn’t matter if mask doesn’t work due to no seal as regulations only require face covering.

317343 ▶▶▶ Basics, replying to Lyra Silvertongue, 1, #618 of 2163 🔗

I hear london has become angry about the plastic sticks cycle and walking lanes so much so that they have been removed in places.

Pointing out the widely known already. These ‘active transport’ shanks pony measures were rushed in partially to continue the already running sustainability goals which come from united nation policy. Yes, implemented by local councils. Not only that, these painted high streets etc were rushed in during the window of spring lockdown to reinforce the supposed epic nature of these viral times. Our historic street enviroment itself altered. How disorientating is that.

317422 ▶▶▶▶ Fiona Walker, replying to Basics, #619 of 2163 🔗

They put big red and white barriers up in our market town in summer to widen the very narrow pavements, and implemented a one way system for traffic They lasted all of three days. Despite being a fan of car-free town centres I had to laugh.

317157 Banjones, replying to Banjones, 3, #620 of 2163 🔗

Come on, everyone! Get signing! People need to know they’re not alone!

https://petition.parliament.uk/petitions/564421

317159 ▶▶ Londo Mollari, replying to Banjones, #621 of 2163 🔗

I signed it last night, even though I am a serf in the Grand Duchy of Drakeford.

317161 arfurmo, replying to arfurmo, 2, #622 of 2163 🔗

https://www.facebook.com/thebarrelshereford/

Please don’t be offended when we ask for proof of a HR postcode, The police have suggested that this is the way forward. We have to follow government guidelines and the Police advice to try to keep our infection levels down and our pub open. I cannot answer every message that is coming through as I would be on here all night! These are the rules and we will follow them to keep our staff safe.

Sadly many comments supportive.

317216 ▶▶ Paul, replying to arfurmo, 2, #623 of 2163 🔗

Postcode apartheid now.

317334 ▶▶▶ anon, replying to Paul, #624 of 2163 🔗

fools don’t realise they’re being played

317271 ▶▶ stevie, replying to arfurmo, #625 of 2163 🔗

They also want photo ID: We will now only be allowing customers in with photo ID and proof of address. Driving license or passport with utility bill. We are happy in Tier 1 and would like to remain there.

317166 Jay Berger, replying to Jay Berger, 10, #626 of 2163 🔗

How to deal with the ‘new’ strain?
First, ditch everyone still muttering the words ‘zero Covid’, Tier 5, 6ff or ‘national lockdown’.
Those people are now clearly completely insane and are just taking us with them into the abyss.

317176 ▶▶ RickH, replying to Jay Berger, 11, #627 of 2163 🔗

Key solutions :

  • Stop anything but properly focused investigative PCR testing.
  • Never watch BBC News
  • Do the reverse of SAGE advice
317167 Banjones, #628 of 2163 🔗

I agree! Keep putting it into these comments so that it doesn’t get lost!
https://petition.parliament.uk/petitions/564421

317168 Tom Blackburn, replying to Tom Blackburn, 1, #629 of 2163 🔗

Professor Ferguson has become synonymous with locking down hasn’t he? Back in the fold in time for winter. How convenient.

It’s almost as if a man who is basically a savant (NF) is no match for an arch manipulator (Pfeffel).

317177 ▶▶ Banjones, replying to Tom Blackburn, 6, #630 of 2163 🔗

Hard to believe that such an arrogant, scruffy, dishonourable, and UNELECTED oik has a say in the forming of our government’s policies.

317204 ▶▶▶ Crystal Decanter, replying to Banjones, 4, #631 of 2163 🔗

Hard to believe he gets puss

317256 ▶▶▶▶ Chris John, replying to Crystal Decanter, 2, #632 of 2163 🔗

There’s some snatch around that cannot think properly when presented with bad boy peen

317405 ▶▶▶▶▶ George L, replying to Simon Dutton, 1, #634 of 2163 🔗

Are you blind or just not fussy.. ha ha 😉

317820 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Simon Dutton, replying to George L, #635 of 2163 🔗

>>>>> Whoosh >>>>>

317172 Janice21, #636 of 2163 🔗

signed

317174 watashi, replying to watashi, #637 of 2163 🔗

thank you, just signed

317182 ▶▶ Banjones, replying to watashi, #638 of 2163 🔗

Suggest keep putting it into the comments box so that it doesn’t get lost!

317175 Harry hopkins, replying to Harry hopkins, 18, #639 of 2163 🔗

More groundhog day!

Apparently, hospitals all over the country are experiencing more Covid ‘cases’.
Please, please, someone tell me that this isn’t based on the PCR test! You know, the test where they stick a bud up your nose and is proven to be 100% unfit for purpose and about as useful as sticking a pipe cleaner up your backside.

But if we are in ‘groundhog’ day I might as well post something that was posted here not long ago but which is as good a candidate for repetition as anything else I’ve read on here.

Found this comment from Paul Weston on Breitbart. This says it all about the so called pandemic and virus mutation.
It doesn’t matter if the virus mutates – for the simple reason that the vaccines are not based on the coronavirus in the first place. The Oxford vaccine is based on the common cold coronavirus. The Pfizer vaccine is based on gene messaging black magic.
If you have a flu, measles, mumps, rubella, polio vaccine, you ger a weakened form of the actual virus itself, in order to trigger your immune system.
The reason they cannot use a weakened form of the Covid virus is because they have never identified and isolated the virus. If they had, they would use it in a vaccine. The government claims it has been isolated but when asked directly in FOI requests, they refuse to answer.
We are being lied to on a massive scale. Not least in the assertion that we need a vaccine for a disease which is so weak it is basically a vaccine in itself. Vaccines are only ever used when the full strength virus is capable of killing us or making us seriously ill.
But if the virus itself is so weedy that we suffer no symptoms at all, or just a fever and aches and pains gor a few days, then contracting that virus is essentially a free vaccine which triggers our immune systems whilst not threatening us in the least.
Fraud of the century, crime of the century. So insane in fact, that there is clearly another agenda at work here. The Great Green New World Order has arrived.

317210 ▶▶ RickH, replying to Harry hopkins, 4, #640 of 2163 🔗

someone tell me that this isn’t based on the PCR test!”

C’mon, Harry – everything is based on the PCR test, since any actual virus faded into the background noise.

317219 ▶▶ PatrickF, replying to Harry hopkins, 4, #641 of 2163 🔗

I self tested. The pipe cleaner got lost. I’ll assume I tested positive.

317184 Banjones, replying to Banjones, #642 of 2163 🔗

Sign the petition! (I’m sure it’s growing suspiciously slowly…… but then, I’m looking for gremlins everywhere right now…)

https://petition.parliament.uk/petitions/564421

317191 ▶▶ Basics, replying to Banjones, 2, #643 of 2163 🔗

Had same thought about it been throttled. 500 names added in 4 hours. Hmmm

317225 ▶▶ Hieronimusb, replying to Banjones, 2, #644 of 2163 🔗

Just signed, 9004.

317228 ▶▶▶ smileymiley, replying to Hieronimusb, 2, #645 of 2163 🔗

Just signed 9009

317193 Dan Clarke, replying to Dan Clarke, 14, #646 of 2163 🔗

IMO Johnson looks like a beaten man who’s been told what’s what

317197 ▶▶ calchas, replying to Dan Clarke, 6, #647 of 2163 🔗

Agreed!

His attitide, body language etc. communicate exactly that.

317208 ▶▶▶ Dan Clarke, replying to calchas, 7, #648 of 2163 🔗

Always thought the Sage Goons looked like the heavies, wonder if he had the threat, remember what happened to ‘that Scientist’, so keep your mouth shut

317194 EllGee, #649 of 2163 🔗

signed

317200 RickH, 24, #650 of 2163 🔗

I’m scared!!!!

This new mutant ninja virus has resulted in …..

…. All-cause mortality staying at the same (25-year average) level in the latest release!

317213 Paul, replying to Paul, 40, #651 of 2163 🔗

I called in to see my mum and dad earlier this morning to find my mum in tears.She said she can’t stand this insanity anymore and can’t see how we are going to get out of the perfect infinity loop of madness.Throughout my life my mum has always been the strongest,most grounded and optimistic person I have known and to see her so upset this morning was both heartbreaking and anger inducing.I will never,ever forgive those who have done this to us.
Also,my brother is a branch manager and he ended up with no staff yesterday.His area manager’s spouse is ill,with what to seems to be flu,so they brainlessly went to be tested (obviously not that ill then) and big surprise,positive.The area manager then went for a test,big surprise,positive.Because my brother’s area manager had been in contact with all the branch staff last week my brother was told that all the staff had to be tested and,big surprise,all positive,so yesterday no staff in the branch.
At this point my brother hadn’t had a test because he didn’t see his area manager last week.He managed to get some ex-employees and temp staff in and eventually opened the branch later on yesterday.
Last night the area manager called my brother and said that he and all the temp staff now had to be tested before the branch can open again.Some of the temps quite rightly said ‘fuck that’ and quit,so the branch will now close.
Just like my mum had said,perfect infinity loop of madness.

317294 ▶▶ Banjones, replying to Paul, 7, #652 of 2163 🔗

That’s appalling. My heart goes out to him, and all others suffering this insanity.

We know that there should be NO testing of healthy people (or anyone not ill enough to be admitted to hospital) and that anyone having to go to hospital will just have to put up with a test (as my beloved does with his present course of treatment – he obviously caught the selector’s eye).

This ‘testing on demand’ is what is causing the problems. Just what the government’s ”advisors” intended, no doubt! They must be SO pleased.

317220 Jonathan Smith, 13, #653 of 2163 🔗

Massive wave of New Variant Hysteria unleashed…

317221 Fingerache Philip., replying to Fingerache Philip., 3, #654 of 2163 🔗

Local school being turned into a test centre!!!
I live in the 3rd smallest town in Shropshire with a population of around 3,000.
Good to see our money being well spent.

317292 ▶▶ chaos, replying to Fingerache Philip., 6, #655 of 2163 🔗

They care so much about the kids.. they use the schools to test for the virus.

317222 George Mc, replying to George Mc, 12, #656 of 2163 🔗

I am now realising another plank of the propaganda game. I have said that I refused the vaccine when it was “offered” to me. I phoned my mother to tell her this and she said right away that I should take it and that she was planning to take it when it came round to her.

I then got into a long conversation about what was going on and I told her about all the propaganda and I talked about the PCR tests etc. But I soon realised that she wasn’t listening. As before I felt that I was competing against all the TV propaganda that was being blasted at her when I wasn’t there.

I reminded her the story she told me about the thalidomide she turned down when pregnant and was shocked when she told me she actually did take some. At this point I felt the conversation was slipping away from me.

She phoned back and I could see I’d sown some doubt in her mind. But I suddenly realised something else. These covid pushers had always emphasised getting the vaccine to the “most vulnerable” first i.e. the old ones who may be more likely to take it without a struggle. If the old dears take it, then the younger members of their families will feel bound to follow (“Well if she’s brave enough to take it then I ought to as well” etc.) Sneaky.

317260 ▶▶ Mark, replying to George Mc, 6, #657 of 2163 🔗

Sneaky .”

Well, in fairness we are being manipulated and propagandised by professionals.
Expensive ones, funded by our own tax payments. That ought to make us all very, very angry indeed, imo.

Raises questions that imo go to the very heart of what the terms liberty and democracy actually mean, I think, though few seem to be having that discussion.

As before I felt that I was competing against all the TV propaganda that was being blasted at her when I wasn’t there .”

Exactly. We get to talk to them for a few minutes, then they mostly dive straight back into the bath of 24 hour all-pervasive fear propaganda. Small wonder it’s hard to make truth and reason stick.

317262 ▶▶ vargas99, replying to George Mc, 1, #658 of 2163 🔗

And they are the least likely to have the mental capacity to properly read the vaccine informed consent data. Personally, I have successfully educated my mother in law (84) to the extent that she has refused to take it. That said I have told her that if after a suitable time frame (ie so that we can see whether there really are any nasty side effects following jab no 2) then she may wish to reconsider given her age and vulnerability. But I know she won’t do it without checking with us first.

317378 ▶▶ Poppy, replying to George Mc, 5, #659 of 2163 🔗

Well, my elderly relatives are not of childbearing age. I am. My elderly relatives are much more at risk of Covid than I am. For them, the benefits of the vaccine likely outweigh the risks of the disease. For me, they don’t. And that’s why I won’t be getting the vaccine anytime soon.

The propaganda can try as hard as it wants – nothing overrides sovereignty over my own body.

317490 ▶▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to Poppy, 1, #660 of 2163 🔗

I think we should not take in principle until it is clear in law that there is no coercion of any kind.

317230 Jaguarpig, replying to Jaguarpig, 1, #661 of 2163 🔗

And what the fuck will the MP cunts do, fuck all.

317310 ▶▶ Banjones, replying to Jaguarpig, #662 of 2163 🔗

Don’t forget to put some money into the charity swear box. If it makes you feel better, it’s worth a quid or two to a good cause.

317233 TimeIsNow, replying to TimeIsNow, 15, #663 of 2163 🔗

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Extraordinary_Popular_Delusions_and_the_Madness_of_Crowds

Mass delusion is well documented and can lead to catastrophic government action. This has been well discussed but in WW1 the experts ordered millions of men and boys to walk towards machine guns and artillery on pain of firing squad. It also went on for years. Just one more push lads and we’ll be in Berlin! I’m not aware of any prosecutions of the generals after the war. Strategy changed in the last year for a number of reasons but mutiny in the French ranks was part of it. Also political changes in Britain. It’s worth noting that the public was much more cynical after 1918 and there were huge societal changes as a result including a massive expansion of democracy. This is my greatest hope for any post-covid delusion future.

Endless lockdowns are taking on a similar nature to the ‘one more push’ mentality. Each one a depraved disaster.

317267 ▶▶ mhcp, replying to TimeIsNow, 5, #664 of 2163 🔗

It’s backed up by the Sunken Cost Fallacy. Which is arguably more dangerous. All the contracts are out. It just won’t do to stop now!

Funny how Richard Tice on TR was saying that private labs are banned from releasing test details. So how the fuck can you audit them?

317268 ▶▶ Concrete68, replying to TimeIsNow, 2, #665 of 2163 🔗

It took ten years after the Great War for people to see the truth…

317326 ▶▶ Banjones, replying to TimeIsNow, #666 of 2163 🔗

Perhaps you should read more in-depth studies of the First German War, rather than trot out the usual ”received wisdom” line – ”all squaddies ignorant louts and all generals baddies”.

317527 ▶▶▶ TimeIsNow, replying to Banjones, #667 of 2163 🔗

Yes agreed it’s more complex. senior officers died too, including generals. Doubtless there was enormous bravery and fortitude at all levels. Lack of mobility and radio explains a lot in the battles that I’ve read about. I think the core lesson stands though, that military experts and politicians got a lot wrong and this led to a monumental loss of life. They also spent years repeating failed plans. Difficult to see the Ypres campaign as a success.

With the current experts, will history give them a pass? ‘Faulty technology, everyone making the same mistakes, necessary to experiment’ ? I hope not.

317235 Crystal Decanter, replying to Crystal Decanter, 1, #668 of 2163 🔗
317319 ▶▶ mjr, replying to Crystal Decanter, 4, #669 of 2163 🔗

What is the difference between BBC and RT? .
One is a state controlled propaganda machine . The other is a russian tv station
seriously though. RT is far more believable than the BBC is

317236 DeepBlueYonder, 2, #670 of 2163 🔗

An interview with Professor Jay Bhattacharya on this week’s EconTalk podcast:

https://www.econtalk.org/jay-bhattacharya-on-the-pandemic/

317244 swedenborg, replying to swedenborg, 4, #671 of 2163 🔗

Here we go. Aerosol transmission in apartment bloc. Possible to stop?

https://www.ijidonline.com/article/S1201-9712(20)32558-3/fulltext

Possible Aerosol Transmission of COVID-19 Associated with an Outbreak in an Apartment in Seoul, South Korea, 2020

 “An outbreak occurred along two vertical lines in an apartment in South Korea.
The virus can be spread through the air duct by the (reverse) stack effect.
Our study implies that indoor infection risks through aerosols are underappreciated and urgently need attention. More people may have to stay indoors during the pandemic to avoid interpersonal contact. However, some may be exposed to viral infection by inhalation due to inadequate ventilation systems. Our study also implies that the rigid rules of safe distancing that stick to droplet and contact transmission based on an outdated dichotomous notion of respiratory droplet or aerosols should be reconsidered

317266 ▶▶ Be Unshakeable, replying to swedenborg, 8, #672 of 2163 🔗

I’m more concerned about the aerosols in the cabinet.

317246 John Galt, replying to John Galt, 33, #673 of 2163 🔗

We haven’t had a test of our character like this for generations. Some of us, probably a lot of us, have never been properly tested during our entire lives.

I’ve found myself comforting a few people who are completely alone amongst their family and friends. I tell them that though it feels horrible to be alone in a belief, they should be proud that they have the bravery and courage to confront something that the majority are too scared to.

This is going to get more divisive and more insane, and who really knows which way it’s going to go, but I find that if you take solace in the fact that you’re on the side of truth, it does make it a little easier.

317251 ▶▶ DRW, replying to John Galt, 4, #674 of 2163 🔗

What use is the truth if nobody believes it? For so many the MSM is their truth.

317274 ▶▶▶ John Galt, replying to DRW, 13, #675 of 2163 🔗

Believing in the truth when the majority don’t seem to means having moral character and courage. We’d all have a much easier life if we just went along with everything we’re being told, but we refuse to, because we know it’s all lies and nonsense. Do you not take comfort in the fact that you’re right when so many others are wrong? And that you don’t just cave in when they launch another layer of propaganda at you?

317285 ▶▶▶▶ DRW, replying to John Galt, 7, #676 of 2163 🔗

It’s just depressing seeing how many have so easily bought into this.

317301 ▶▶▶▶▶ John Galt, replying to DRW, 12, #677 of 2163 🔗

Yeah, I agree. I had a far higher opinion of people prior to this, and my opinion wasn’t all that high to begin with. I know the media obscure things and all the polls are complete rubbish, but when someone I know well just follows along with the lies, it can be very demoralising.

However, that’s the way it is. How they feel doesn’t affect my beliefs and I know I’m right, so that keeps me from getting too down about it all.

You know when people say “I knew that band before they were famous”, and everyone says “yeah, sure you did”? I can honestly foresee a world where these very same people who are going along with everything will be saying “yeah, I always thought corona was rubbish, right from the start!” and we’re all just stood there saying “what are you talking about?! You followed along with everything and told us we were wrong!”

317339 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ TheOriginalBlackPudding, replying to John Galt, 5, #678 of 2163 🔗

I don’t think my opinion of people has changed. What has changed is my appreciation of the power of fear.
I’m one who has always been characterised as risk-averse, but I’m also analytical, rational and logical. Perhaps my fear (and I was decidedly unsettled in March) sharpened those intellectual propensities and taking a cold, hard look at the facts was initially my way of coping.

317367 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ DRW, replying to John Galt, 3, #679 of 2163 🔗

Just like how everyone was against the Iraq war. But even if this does somehow end there are so many I’ll never see in the same light ever again too. Their belief enabled it.

317444 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Country Mumkin, replying to John Galt, 6, #680 of 2163 🔗

Yes I agree … I can really see that happening re the hindsight / retrospective non-believers.

When I realised recently the climate change stuff was all a sham too, I said to my husband they’ll be doing away with plastic toys really soon, so we must buy our daughter her favourite for Christmas. He just laughed at me. I told him he better get making wooden toys for her and perhaps he might turn it into a new job. He continued to laugh.

Yesterday he came home from our nearest town and said the department store is not going to sell these particular toys in the new year and in fact anything from China with lots of plastic will go. I asked him what they will be selling instead. “Wooden toys” he said. “Told you so” I said. I saw that flicker in his eyes that said “sh*t what if she’s right about all the rest…”

317455 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ John Galt, replying to Country Mumkin, 2, #681 of 2163 🔗

That’s brilliant. I’ve found that being prescient is a very good tool, and a lot of this is quite predictable when you boil it down. I’m now seen as some kind of a savant by my family because back in July I predicted the November lockdown!

317847 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Country Mumkin, replying to John Galt, 2, #682 of 2163 🔗

It’s interesting speculating the future with a mixture of foresight and hindsight. I’m a real people watcher too, so I do enjoy seeing the contradictions and body language subtleties in people at the podium.

There was one woman early on; the Chief Science officer for defence I think, who talked down to Dominic Raab when he was covering for Johnson’s stay in hospital. She was in charge and she made him submit to her in that moment. I have never forgotten it. It’s etched in my memory.

317669 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Silke David, replying to John Galt, 5, #683 of 2163 🔗

Think how many people now famous and hailed as heroes had to suffer during their lifetime. But they believed in what turned out to be “right” and kept fighting. Along them were many people supporting them or doing small things to help spread the thruth or just solidarity.

317561 ▶▶▶▶▶ Jo Dominich, replying to DRW, 3, #684 of 2163 🔗

The thing is turn that negative thinking around. So think – I feel great knowing I have considered all angles and know the truth. It’s better than than living in fear continuously.

317365 ▶▶▶ calchas, replying to DRW, 7, #685 of 2163 🔗

The truth is the truth is the truth.

If your picture of how the world works is more accurate – ie more thruthful – than the picture that others have, theny you have an advantage over them in terms of survival.

There are always penalties for having a picture of the world that is not accurate.

317312 ▶▶ Waldorf, replying to John Galt, 6, #686 of 2163 🔗

I have been intrigued by what all this reveals about attitudes to death, a state that nobody ultimately escapes. Past ages would have handled this much better. A bit of memento mori is always good.

317247 NorthumbrianNomad, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, 5, #687 of 2163 🔗

Thailand inevitably slipping towards a new lockdown because of the way migrant Burmese workers are treated as quasi-slaves (as in Singapore). A major outbreak of positive tests and a few sniffles among the young and fit “quasi-slave but not Thai so who cares” population bussed in by the mafia from Burma (which has completely ignored the epidemic). Migrant worker centres quarantined and one province so far locked down. Here we go again. It’ll fizzle out of course – the weather will see to that – but the government won’t miss the opportunity to dickwave. I should party while I can but I didn’t sleep a wink last night so I’m too tired.

317257 ▶▶ Thomas_E, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, 3, #688 of 2163 🔗

I cry for Thailand. This time last year I was in Bangkok with my family , seeing friends and enjoying the atmosphere. My wife lived in Thailand for years (teacher at an Private school) and my daughters godmother still lives there. She was supposed to get married to 2021 but God knows if this will even go ahead and we will probably have to miss it as a family. I don’t even know when i will be able to get back as I’m not taking the vaccine. What a fucking situation.

317278 ▶▶▶ NorthumbrianNomad, replying to Thomas_E, 2, #689 of 2163 🔗

Thailand will be ok. There are a few things the Thais need to do in order to be ok, but I won’t list them here because I don’t want to be deported. And they don’t need me to tell them anyway. I’m sorry about the wedding plans.

317248 Cheezilla, replying to Cheezilla, 7, #690 of 2163 🔗

Wow Pennington’s comments are a load of shamelessly egregious nonsense:
Is it more transmissible because you only have to breathe in a smaller dose of it? Or does somebody infected with it breathe out more virus?

Where do “they” find these people?!

If it’s so easy to transmit just by breathing on someone, how come in order to obtain a test sample, they have to shove the Schwabs nearly into your brain and down your throat till it makes you gag?

People haven’t been behaving themselves .

Ah, there it is! Nothing to do with the testing rate then?

317255 ▶▶ NorthumbrianNomad, replying to Cheezilla, 1, #691 of 2163 🔗

He’s asking about the supposed increased transmissibility of the Hancock Variant (please can we call it that?) and his questions are pertinent. He’s pouring sensibly cold water on the hysteria about it.

317276 ▶▶ Alice, replying to Cheezilla, 5, #692 of 2163 🔗

“Schwabs”? I love this – you’ve cheered me up this morning, thank you!

317261 John P, replying to John P, -24, #694 of 2163 🔗

I’ve been calming myself for a half hour. The “wefnuts” (my new word for those who believe that Claus Schwab rules the world) on here are going to give me a heart attack if I’m not careful.

I often wonder what happened to some of the regulars from the summer who are now silent. Perhaps they were scared off or maybe they’ve had enough of it all? Maybe they don’t believe the wefnuts and their constant promotion of the wef and the nwo.

This is not the best forum I’ve ever commented on. Only eighteen months ago I was a regular contributor on Craig Murray’s forum. Now there’s an experience. An ardent Scottish nationalist and Tory hater. I am half Scottish, so I suppose I felt I had something to say there. He’s also quite Russophilic so that suited me as well. I left there after it started to take over my life.

Off-guardian is one I have contributed to this year, but for some reason I don’t seem to be able to get excited about it just now. Generally they have a better calibre of commenter on there and the readership is a more international one, though there are plenty of Schwab “fans” on there as well.

I wonder what is driving the nuts at the moment? I think that James Delingpole and his opposite number on the Left, Neil Clark certainly have a lot to answer for. Two men who I have read and listened to a lot in recent years. I still enjoy much of their material, but of late I have become a little suspicious of their motives.

Delingpole is an interesting character. A horse-loving pseudo-toff who sent his son to Eton. Erudite and charming, Delingpole likes to claim Eton is “the best school in the world”. (Or at least was until “trendy-Hendy” got his foot in the door – the current “woke” head Simon Henderson).

IMO, his claim for Eton as “the best school in the world” is highly contentious. After all it was the school that produced Cameron and Johnson. Is that something really to boast about? Good school or simply evidence that some parts of the old class system are still with us even today?

Delingpole as well as promoting the great reset is also promoting the idea that if Trump doesn’t win then we are all doomed. Of course this too is attention grapping bullshit from James. I think his promotion of this and the wef are his current devices for gaining attention and readership for his Breitbart Column. Breitbart is fine, but attracts a certain profile of person. James knows this and is playing on it, IMO.

Clark is fulfilling a similar role on the Left.

Anyway, time for my lunch.

317269 ▶▶ TJN, replying to John P, #695 of 2163 🔗

I was at Uni with a guy from Eton. Very posh, but good bloke.

317287 ▶▶ Ewan Duffy, replying to John P, 15, #696 of 2163 🔗

It would be best if you setup and maintained your own blog.

317289 ▶▶ Sarigan, replying to John P, 10, #697 of 2163 🔗

I am still here but choose to ignore comments that I may not agree with. Certainly not scared off and welcome all and any opinions. Personally, I don’t care if it is incompetence or controlled. The outcome needs to be the same – end the insanity. It is clear you do not agree with certain ‘theories’ but your replies will not change minds and only cause friction. I suggest you gloss over them.

317328 ▶▶ Dorian_Hawkmoon, replying to John P, 13, #698 of 2163 🔗

If you call people who don’t share yor opinion nuts then don’t be surprised when others dislike your comments. Your rhetorical “those who believe Schwab rules the world” is vacuous. You seem very keen to limit scepticism to your particular ideological strain of it. Scepticism does not equal “everyone but me is nuts”. I dislike your dismissal of this space as you head of to your lunch. It is rude. I’d imagine you are here because others have tired of your jaundiced negativity.

317329 ▶▶ Be Unshakeable, replying to John P, 26, #699 of 2163 🔗

The WEF are essentially the Davos crowd. Many world leaders and people of influence in industry tootle off to Davos every year, and whatever they discuss tends to drive government policy in home nations. Climate change is a great example of this.

The WEF themselves have said much of what you think of as conspiracy. Perhaps to understand the sway of the WEF, it would be worth watching some of their forums where international leaders etc are hitting all of the talking points.

You seem to think you live in a world where the leaders of nations are the powerbrokers, but you miss an important point. It is not the leaders that drive long term policy, but big finance.

If the big banks packed up and left tomorrow, the UK would become a developing nation overnight. London is the largest financial center outside of NY, banking is the core of our economy. So along comes your elected leader, wanting to make radical changes for the betterment of the people, and the banks just tell him no and threaten to leave. Then what?

The world is run by the global money system, and the key players therein. It has been this way for a long time. The central banks run the show – who in turn are influenced by private banks. If you want to understand the power of private banking on our lives, I would recommend watching (or reading) Princes of the Yen, by Professor Richard Werner.

The WEF is the face of the World Bank. The World Bank is driving Covid response policy, by way of large loan bribes, as Belarus pointed out:

https://thespectator.info/2020/07/30/world-bank-offered-belarus-940-million-coronavirus-loan-but-only-if-they-locked-down-and-destroyed-economy/

Please do not denigrate those of us that already understand this and write us off as ‘loons’. We are not just swapping tall tales on social media, there is a great deal of research available by some very well respected people, and for some reason, it has completely passed you by.

Further, the smug little ego kick you give yourself by announcing that you are better than everyone else in a public forum is pretty transparent to anyone with even the slightest understanding of psychology. It doesn’t do you or your relationships any good in the long run, and is in all honesty quite depressingly childish.

317348 ▶▶▶ John Galt, replying to Be Unshakeable, 7, #700 of 2163 🔗

Excellent summary.

317370 ▶▶▶▶ Be Unshakeable, replying to John Galt, 5, #701 of 2163 🔗

Thanks. It’s always astonishing to find someone who believes that they have their finger on the pulse yet seems to completely overlook the prime mover that we are all shackled too. It’s hard to understand how one could be so myopic to miss the largest of all of the elephants in the room. Doubly so when you have to point it out ‘sceptics’. Humans are inexhaustibly duplicitous and outrageously egotistical, and our world reflects that perfectly…. why is this so hard to comprehend?

317472 ▶▶▶▶▶ John Galt, replying to Be Unshakeable, 2, #702 of 2163 🔗

I call it “half in, half out”. I remember a few months back posting about how I thought Toby was half in half out, because he clearly understood what was going on, yet he kept attributing it to incompetence. I think it stems from one of two things: 1) being in a position where you feel you can’t fully commit, for reasons of preservation related to your business or your public or even private persona (not wanting to be called a conspiracy theorist, basically), or, 2) you know something is going on, but to believe in the Great Reset would destroy your entire pre-existing world view, so you instead attribute it to something warm and comfy that allows you to have it both ways.

We’re still on the same side so I don’t mind too much if people want to believe it is incompetence, though the problem with doing so is that it’s hard to predict what may be coming next when you assume they’re just blundering through these decisions, but the rare comments denigrating anyone who doesn’t believe the same are very annoying.

317707 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Carrie, replying to John Galt, 3, #703 of 2163 🔗

It is deeply worrying that the UK and rest of the world seem to be following the ‘plan’ leaked from Canada a few months back, which many on here were convinced was mere ‘conspiracy theory’ and would never be implemented..

317559 ▶▶▶▶ Seansaighdeoir, replying to John Galt, 1, #704 of 2163 🔗

Seconded.

317703 ▶▶▶▶ Carrie, replying to John Galt, 2, #705 of 2163 🔗

Yes, and I would add that I suspect that Carrie Symonds has far too much influence in the decisions being made, despite no one voting for her..

318747 ▶▶▶▶▶ richard riewer, replying to Carrie, #706 of 2163 🔗

What is her background?

317417 ▶▶▶ Tyneside Tigress, replying to Be Unshakeable, 7, #707 of 2163 🔗

If I can just add a bit to that excellent insight. The malevolent force of the New York Fed cannot be underestimated. This feeds into the cross-border fight for supremacy in capital markets in the 1990s (between London and New York) that pushed the Clinton administration into repealing Glass-Steagall in 1999, with the emergence of full-service global banks. 2007/8 ought to have reigned them in, but it did not, it made them more powerful – and ultimately more dangerous because the next time, the entire banking system will collapse.

317753 ▶▶▶▶ TJN, replying to Tyneside Tigress, #708 of 2163 🔗

A chilling thought, and a plausible and even persuasive one. And if the banking systems collapses then surely the political systems will go down with them. Happy days.

317636 ▶▶▶ Ben, replying to Be Unshakeable, 2, #709 of 2163 🔗

Excellent comment. I think some people are simply frightened, as I am

317336 ▶▶ RickH, replying to John P, 4, #710 of 2163 🔗

John – don’t let comments get out of perspective. You’re not the only one who will disagree with both sites and commentators. For instance, I like a lot of the UKColumn analysis of Covid – but am not persuaded by some of their other obsessions; OffGuardian is a mixed bag, ranging from perceptive comment to the semi-magical.

You take what you can get out of what’s there – no site is a religion that you sign up to. Same here.

I write as a fully committed Groucho Marxist 🙂

317337 ▶▶ Tyneside Tigress, replying to John P, 2, #711 of 2163 🔗

John, things are indeed getting quite heated at the moment. All of us are under considerable stress to a greater or lesser degree depending on a range of personal factors; job and financial security, whether our nearest and dearest share our view of lockdown, to name just a few. I do not want to add further fuel to the fire on a polarising debate, nor do I wish to defend any one person over any other, but I do want to say a few things about Eton, a great school in something of a temporary, if not permanent decline, as a function of poor management decision-making.

It is difficult to argue that Cameron and Johnson reflect anything but badly on the school. They do. That, however, is a function of their individual family backgrounds, in my view rather than the school. However, there were others in both my College, and who I met subsequently through work, who it would be difficult not to admire, and in one case, cherish for his early exit to suicide (he was a doctor, and Eton King’s Scholar, like Boris). Another was a very prominent City financier, who I was very fortunate to work for. I was in the office very early one morning (before everyone else), and to my surprise, he was touring the trading floors talking to every single cleaner, inquiring whether they were ok. These are but two, both a credit to their families, who also happened to have the benefit of an Eton education.

317402 ▶▶▶ Dame Lynet, replying to Tyneside Tigress, 4, #712 of 2163 🔗

It’s good to read your defence of people who go to Eton as just that: they are people and should be judged on their character.

I’m a working class Northerner but I loathe inverted snobbery.

My daughter went to Oxford and met lots of ‘posh’ people, but I taught her to treat everyone she met the same so that she didn’t come across as chippy and ‘inferior’, which I think holds you back. One boy she shared with could trace his family back to the Domesday Book, lol, but he was the loveliest, kindest friend and she adored him.

317424 ▶▶▶▶ Tyneside Tigress, replying to Dame Lynet, 5, #713 of 2163 🔗

I am a working class Northerner too – first in my family to go to university (Oxford). My best friend is an aristocrat. As my mother, who left school at 15 with no qualifications, would say: we are all born the same way, die the same way, and have to shit the same way!

317631 ▶▶▶▶▶ Dame Lynet, replying to Tyneside Tigress, 2, #714 of 2163 🔗

Haha, wise woman, your Mum 🙂

My daughter was the first in our family to go to university; Oxford then Cambridge, through very hard work and natural ability. My grandparents were servants and dock workers, I’m as proud of them as I am of her.

317710 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Tyneside Tigress, replying to Dame Lynet, 1, #715 of 2163 🔗

Very similar. On my father’s side, a domestic servant and manual worker (shovelled coal into the furnace). On my mother’s side, an upholsterer and messenger (he caught polio in Burma and was discharged from the army). None of my grandparents – both grandfathers had died before I was born – had easy lives, especially my mother’s parents. Cameron and Johnson are the products of their family circumstances in the main. We know less about Cameron, but have a pretty good idea about Johnson from Tom Bower’s book – very damaged goods.

317739 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Dame Lynet, replying to Tyneside Tigress, 1, #716 of 2163 🔗

Yet both families produced Oxford graduates through sheer merit. This is the main reason I don’t support quota systems or positive discrimination, which is sadly where top universities seem to be being pushed (if not there already).

317801 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Tyneside Tigress, replying to Dame Lynet, 1, #717 of 2163 🔗

Liz Truss’s speech the other day said much about this. Oxbridge now has an over-representation of particular groups, at least superficially. When you dig into the data, however, it is not over-represented by socio-economic or regional profile. If you are ethnically Pakistani from Bolton or Bradford, with a parent of the same profile as my parents, you are as under-represented as a white working class girl or boy from Newcastle. The places are taken increasingly by an ethnically diverse London and South-East demographic, supplemented by ethnically diverse and very wealthy overseas students – they likely use an algorithm to optimise diversity and fee income.

318034 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Dame Lynet, replying to Tyneside Tigress, #718 of 2163 🔗

Sad. It isn’t how we get the brightest and best.

317425 ▶▶▶▶ Country Mumkin, replying to Dame Lynet, 5, #719 of 2163 🔗

I really like this site and and all its various views and perceptions. I like the respectful and peaceful interactions. Free speech is not only the right to speak a view point; it is the right to hear others view points. I’m all for tolerance of different perspectives. Although I do find abrasive intolerance hard to tolerate… it’s destabilising and divisive.

317744 ▶▶▶▶▶ Dame Lynet, replying to Country Mumkin, 1, #720 of 2163 🔗

This site is essential to me and I’m so grateful to Toby Young for setting it up.

I am very isolated where I am, as far as covid nonsense goes, so hearing from others who feel the same is so important.

317457 ▶▶▶ Sophie123, replying to Tyneside Tigress, 4, #721 of 2163 🔗

Does anyone here think their school changed their innate character?

I went to some rough state schools and then an expensive boarding school (on a scholarship). It didn’t change who I am. I was always a sensible, hard working science-nerd, with a healthy disrespect for authority.

And at both my state schools and the boarding school I met some lovely, kind, generous people and some utter arseholes. People are people. Some are good, some are bad. We have to learn to live with them all (much I as I am inclined to learn some sniping skills and shoot Hancock’s smug face off)

317651 ▶▶▶▶ Dame Lynet, replying to Sophie123, #722 of 2163 🔗

Mine was a bog-standard city comprehensive and I have very few good memories of it. I used to fantasise about being an only child and being sent to a boarding school, lol.

Your last paragraph is spot on.

317724 ▶▶▶▶ Tyneside Tigress, replying to Sophie123, 1, #723 of 2163 🔗

So true. I have worked with several ex-forces officers, and one thing that came across in all of them was the ability to gain buy-in from very working class co-workers (back office in the City). They either possessed inherently, or had it drummed into them, that respect is a two-way street. Most of our current crop of ‘leaders’ have not been in the position, as career politicians, to have learned this valuable life skill. When they are finally brought to justice for what they have done, as I am sure they will be in time, they will learn this the hard way.

317621 ▶▶ Ben, replying to John P, 2, #724 of 2163 🔗

There’s probably lots of different invested parties driving this catastrophe. The banks (see Ernst Wolff #Corona – The Collapse of the System) as has happened already in the past

Pharma and other entities are probably involved too. It’s possible the WEF has less of an influence than some people think. Either way, asking questions and trying to understand what’s happening is not a bad thing

Putting everything down to incompetence is akin to burying one’s head in the sand. If things are the same in summer 2021 will it still be incompetence?

If it’s the same in five years’ time will it still be incompetence?

317963 ▶▶ Awkward Git, replying to John P, 2, #725 of 2163 🔗

John, I admire your dedication to the “Boris is in charge” narrative and your refusal to even consider a different viewpoint.

Most welcome in the discussions.

But at what point do you (or anyone) say “but there are too many coincidences mounting up?” and reconsider.

Ever heard the saying “he who pays the piper calls the tune”?

317263 stevie, 2, #726 of 2163 🔗

signed 9137

317264 calchas, replying to calchas, 1, #727 of 2163 🔗

https://www.zerohedge.com/covid-19/watch-british-travellers-held-against-their-will-german-airports

This concerns the last flight from London to Berlin at the weekend.

Non-Germans were told they had to take a test before entry, but Germans were let in without a test.

317299 ▶▶ Bella Donna, replying to calchas, 1, #728 of 2163 🔗

Discrimination Rules OK!

317303 ▶▶ Waldorf, replying to calchas, 3, #729 of 2163 🔗

Perhaps the Germans could fully prove their Aryan bloodline? 🙂
There has been plenty of arbitrariness about this in most countries affected, nothing science-based about it.

317654 ▶▶ Silke David, replying to calchas, #730 of 2163 🔗

I wonder if I with a German passport but British address in it would have been waved through?

317699 ▶▶ Carrie, replying to calchas, #731 of 2163 🔗

At least they could get in with a test – Sweden won’t let ANY non-citizens back in, test or no test..

317265 NorthumbrianNomad, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, 24, #732 of 2163 🔗

Bring me the head of Neil Ferguson.

Oh, you think I’m joking.

I’m not.

Bring me the fucker’s head.

317270 ▶▶ Alice, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, 3, #733 of 2163 🔗

Oh, yesssss!

317273 ▶▶ Be Unshakeable, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, 7, #734 of 2163 🔗

Pretty sure I could dropkick it all the way to Thailand.

317318 ▶▶ Hieronimusb, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, 6, #735 of 2163 🔗

I would if I could but he lost it to Bill Gates playing Monopoly.

317335 ▶▶ Alethea, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, 5, #736 of 2163 🔗

We’ll send Judith to his tent by night.

317272 Dan Clarke, replying to Dan Clarke, 9, #737 of 2163 🔗

The DM is fully onboard with the destruction, every article is doom laden

317547 ▶▶ Awkward Git, replying to Dan Clarke, 2, #738 of 2163 🔗

But comments 99.99% anti-narrative.

317284 Yawnyaman, 1, #739 of 2163 🔗

Signed, nearly to 10 k

317288 jhfreedom, replying to jhfreedom, 10, #740 of 2163 🔗

It may be wishful thinking, but I am detecting some evidence in all the reporting that if this thing really gets out of control there is nothing that can be done. It has been noted that our new mutant strain happily brewed and spread during the November national lockdown. While there may be some excess deaths and some grisly hospital scenes, if this thing runs properly, properly rampant then the restrictions are for nothing and become irrelevant. Wearing a mask when nearly everyone is testing positive would be pointless. Might this be an exit strategy, and one that comes sooner than the vaccine? Is it morally defensible to think this way?

317296 ▶▶ Country Mumkin, replying to jhfreedom, 3, #741 of 2163 🔗

It would be so lovely to think it’s possible to invoke the herd immunity strategy, although I really doubt that’s what will happen. The screw will probably be turned even tighter.

317309 ▶▶ RickH, replying to jhfreedom, 8, #742 of 2163 🔗

I’ve just been entering up the latest all-cause mortality figures (Week 50).

To put the panic-fest in perspective : the rate is falling (not dramatically, but imagine what the government would make of the opposite movement) – and is actually converging with the quarter-century minimum year / level for this time of year, which continues to rise for the comparable time.

But the problem that we face remains : so many people are genuinely convinced that we are in the middle of an uncontrollable plague; they are totally blind to the actuality.

317313 ▶▶ Charlie Blue, replying to jhfreedom, 2, #743 of 2163 🔗

Joel Smally and co (among others) have demonstrated that restrictions and interventions have had no impact whatsoever on positive test data. I don’t think they will ever admit masks etc. are pointless. People will always scream “something must be done” – they don’t care whether the something works or not.

I think it’s completely morally defensible to think this way. We could get rid of the entirely avoidable harms without making any difference to the unavoidable ones. I just doubt that any exit strategy other than mass vaccination is up for consideration.

317317 ▶▶ John Galt, replying to jhfreedom, 6, #744 of 2163 🔗

You’re thinking too logically. If you ever wonder if the government will do something, remove all logic and you’ve got your answer.

In the case of your post, the main logical points you make are:

  • The strain has already spread.
  • Wearing a mask when everyone is testing positive would be pointless.
  • There may be some excess deaths.

Now imagine the media headline for those logical points:

“MUTANT STRAIN SPREADING EVERYWHERE! CASE NUMBERS UP 58215%! MASKS NEED TO BE MANDATED EVERYWHERE TO STOP IT SPREADING FURTHER! EXCESS DEATHS HIGHEST IN RECENT HISTORY!”

317364 ▶▶ Stephen, replying to jhfreedom, 8, #745 of 2163 🔗

The government needs an exit strategy that is not based on the natural creation of herd immunity, given the enormity of what it has done. Pretty much every other western government, with few exceptions, needs the same thing. Otherwise, everyone will ask why we did this. The virus mutating to be less harmful, or discovering that we are already at herd immunity are not helpful exit strategies if you are a decision maker in all this.

Most non sceptics also do not want to believe that they have been suckered. They want to believe that all of the measures have been worthwhile.

The vaccine is the only acceptable exit for them. Millions would have died in the “second wave”, we rightly told you to hunker down, and now the vaccine came to the rescue as promised. We are heroes.

I do not believe this is a consciously cynical strategy but it is a classic case of people believing what they want to and need to so as not to become pariahs.

This is why I am sceptical of the vaccine too. It fits the need of the decision makers too easily. Whenever such a situation arises, then the temptation to make the facts fit the narrative is very great. Again, not cynical greed, just cognitive bias. Especially when all the decision makers need it. It is too tempting.

I think that the capacity for further man made disaster continues and will take a while to play out.

317483 ▶▶▶ Tom in Scotland, replying to Stephen, 1, #746 of 2163 🔗

Yes, I think you are right. It’s all about the magic vaccine, which may turn out to have lots of problems (side effects and lack of effectiveness). I don’t think it will take that much longer to play out, though, due to the huge impact on the economy (which will get worse with whatever happens with the end of the Brexit transition) and what looks like a lot of public non-compliance and fatigue. I think government credibility is under severe strain and expect the PM to be out soon. My hope is that his replacement will actually sack most of the Cabinet and all of the ‘advisers’, change the testing system and just declare victory. Otherwise, we are really in trouble.

317389 ▶▶ Crystal Decanter, replying to jhfreedom, 2, #747 of 2163 🔗

Judge them by what they do not by what they say.
Airports are wide open – people arriving from Covaids infested hotspots since March
Clearly not an issue

317638 ▶▶▶ jhfreedom, replying to Crystal Decanter, 1, #748 of 2163 🔗

That’s an interesting one. Prince William et al breaching rules in Norfolk. I think there’s a sense of “we have to be seen to be doing this” but actually “if you’re smart you shouldn’t need to be burdened by it”. Just look at the exemptions to meeting up and travel. They are relatively ‘generous’ by continental European and US Democrat state standards. I wonder if Boris really just does as SAGE says but keeps the legislation loose. The police in England don’t even have power of entry. The parties that get broken up are the ones in which some idiot opens the front door and invites the police in. Those with half a brain cell and who know and understand the legislation can live a pretty normal private life. Work I accept is different unless you are a knowledge professional and can do the job from home.

317695 ▶▶▶▶ Carrie, replying to jhfreedom, #749 of 2163 🔗

Travel rules may seem generous to you, but I assure you that Brits who live abroad would disagree. Having come to the UK for Christmas on good faith with regards to the rules, we now find ourselves stuck in the UK for an indeterminate length of time (minimum of a MONTH) because most countries are not allowing non-nationals back in thanks to the UK government’s latest admissions re the new variant of Covid. Clearly not a medical decision because there is no reason why a citizen would be less infectious than a mere ‘habitual legal resident’…

317526 ▶▶ Jo Dominich, replying to jhfreedom, #750 of 2163 🔗

Problem is WHO has already said they have known about this variant since September and there is no evidence at all that it has a faster rate of transmission. So curious now. There is no chance of it running rampant it’seems just a variant no more no less with no additional impact.

317768 ▶▶▶ jhfreedom, replying to Jo Dominich, #751 of 2163 🔗

That’s almost a shame if proven to be true…

317649 ▶▶ Silke David, replying to jhfreedom, #752 of 2163 🔗

After being told for months to isolate, keep distance ,wear a mask, etc, I do not think there are enough people who will change their behaviour to make a change. Even if they welcome the news and secretly want too ditch the mask, they will claim to have to protect a vulnerable person.

317293 Country Mumkin, replying to Country Mumkin, #753 of 2163 🔗

2 things I’ve noticed about the V-safe surveillance chart above

1. Only just over 100k vaccines administered; I thought there was over 500k according to Matt Hancock
2. Also noticed quite a lot of pregnant women. I thought it was not recommended for pregnant women and I also thought it was 50+ or vulnerable categories.

You may have picked all that up, so apologies if I’m repeating!

317300 ▶▶ Jonathan Smith, replying to Country Mumkin, 1, #754 of 2163 🔗

1. Not up-to-date
2. Didn’t know of pregnancy at time of administration.

Are possibilities.

The other that occurred to me was to wonder if it was UK data. The US have a CDC.

317308 ▶▶▶ Andy Riley, replying to Jonathan Smith, #755 of 2163 🔗

CDC is the US Centre for Disease Control

317426 ▶▶▶▶ DavidC, replying to Andy Riley, #756 of 2163 🔗

‘Centers’ – it’s a plural (and American spelling unfortunately!).

DavidC

317359 ▶▶▶ Country Mumkin, replying to Jonathan Smith, #757 of 2163 🔗

Ah yes, of course, that makes sense. And I think they are administering Pfizer vax if my memory serves me. Thank you 🙂

317716 ▶▶▶▶▶ skybluesam, replying to Sarigan, #759 of 2163 🔗

That’s a link to the CDC, a US organisation. And it’s a .gov web address, a US government domain

317445 ▶▶▶▶ Sophie123, replying to Country Mumkin, #760 of 2163 🔗

And i think, in the US, they are prioritising healthcare workers over the elderly. So they are more likely to inadvertently get pregnant women. Who I am very worried for.

317491 ▶▶▶▶▶ CapLlam, replying to Sophie123, #761 of 2163 🔗

In my pregnancy group (Reddit) which has a lot of Americans , they are having the vaccine if working in health care and pregnant. Some of the ladies are welcoming it and encouraging others to get it. One said they had signed up to a study about the vaccine and pregnancy.

They aren’t giving it to pregnant women in the uk

317611 ▶▶▶▶▶ swedenborg, replying to Sophie123, #762 of 2163 🔗

Sadly she didn’t became president of the US

https://twitter.com/TulsiGabbard/status/1341027010353750016

“Heartless, arrogant, unelected CDC bureaucrats have decided that the lives of elderly Americans don’t count. They’re recommending 100 million “essential workers” (i.e. healthy people working at liquor stores or phone companies) can get the vaccine before our grandparents.”

318013 ▶▶▶▶▶ Dodderydude, replying to Sophie123, #763 of 2163 🔗

Contrary to Pfizer’s own advice, the US are consciously administering the vaccine to pregnant women. As part of the propaganda I saw a photo of an American doctor who is five months (I think it was) pregnant and having the vaccine and declaring that she was proud to participate and no one should be afraid.

317306 Banjones, replying to Banjones, 2, #764 of 2163 🔗

Just to repeat (as it’s still growing suspiciously slowly….)

https://petition.parliament.uk/petitions/564421

317392 ▶▶ John P, replying to Banjones, 1, #765 of 2163 🔗

Maybe people have lost faith in petitions?

317404 ▶▶▶ Charlie Blue, replying to John P, #766 of 2163 🔗

Good point, John. I have no idea how many I have signed since March and will keep signing, but I am sure many feel it is futile. I also expect many people are distracted with Christmas prep and not paying as much attention to the wider world just now. I imagine that I would do likewise if I had children, and indeed it would be a welcome distraction from the gloom of reality!

317406 ▶▶▶ Julian, replying to John P, 2, #767 of 2163 🔗

Hard to keep faith with anything right now – but the petition that got 300,000+ signatures against vaccine coercion was debated in parliament with mildly positive results

318266 ▶▶ matt, replying to Banjones, #768 of 2163 🔗

I haven’t put my name to it, not because I don’t agree with the sentiment, but because this isn’t the right tool. The petitions trigger a debate in parliament if they’re successful enough. But Parliament won’t debate it until they’re sitting. By which time it will be too late to be relevant. I’m just not sure it’s useful. Sorry. Surely writing to your MP is the only way to go here?

317307 Niborxof, 1, #769 of 2163 🔗

Another credible addition shooting down the prevailing narrative
https://www.bitchute.com/video/2iSu0aRpoxoC/

317314 Barney McGrew, replying to Barney McGrew, 10, #770 of 2163 🔗

Just drove into town. Still fairly busy, shops still open and sometimes you wouldn’t know about the ‘crisis’ if it weren’t for people wearing their stupid face masks.

But there was a strange moment where I approached a roundabout, and for a split second I was disorientated. What went through my mind was “Who is going to tell me what to do here?”. I have become so used to being told what to do when in the public space that when there are no traffic lights and I have have to actually make a decision i.e. I have some freedom , I am disorientated.

As I drove back, I kept getting ‘freedom flashbacks’ where a sight would trigger a memory of happy, carefree times. Physically nothing has changed, but mentally we are now imprisoned – and it is worse for most of us here because we don’t believe there’s a genuine reason for it all.

It’s slightly like the post-Brexit referendum years when many of us became aware of the fear and loathing of our fellow voters. It was a heavy mental burden that was there all the time, where you carried a secret that you might not even want your friends to know. In each social encounter you were braced for having to pretend to be something you weren’t. You became hyper-sensitised to the bias in the media.

For a couple of months at the start of this year, that particular problem was gone. Merely to be replaced with this sh*tshow.

317388 ▶▶ John P, replying to Barney McGrew, 2, #771 of 2163 🔗

“mentally we are now imprisoned”

No. Not if you become aware of your thinking and resist.

317316 Peter Thompson, replying to Peter Thompson, 63, #772 of 2163 🔗

I will be on the ” front line ” this Christmas holiday . Usually my shift over Christmas involves enjoying a slice of Christmas cake courtesy of the out of hours provider interrupted by seeing the occasional screaming child with an earache and potentially much more serious the patient with suicidal ideation. The latter is always a feature of the Christmas festivities as the lonely and isolated experience a crisis.

I suspect I will be dealing with a lot more people with significant mental illnesses this Christmas caused by Johnson, Whitty , Handcock and Van Tam . As for Covid ? I continue to see far fewer people with respiratory symptoms than any normal year .

317322 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to Peter Thompson, 5, #773 of 2163 🔗

Must be the masks eh?

317331 ▶▶▶ Peter Thompson, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 8, #774 of 2163 🔗

The evidence doesn’t support your assertion. No

317383 ▶▶▶▶ John P, replying to Peter Thompson, 8, #775 of 2163 🔗

I think that was a joke, but I agree, it’s no longer a laughing matter.

317320 Jez Hewitt, #776 of 2163 🔗

Delete

317324 Jez Hewitt, #777 of 2163 🔗

Delete

317333 Banjones, 2, #778 of 2163 🔗

Petition:
https://petition.parliament.uk/petitions/564421
Only a couple of signatures added in the past half an hour.

317340 hotrod, replying to hotrod, 3, #779 of 2163 🔗

If this new variant is throughout Europe now then WHY is it not having significant increases in “cases” in France and Spain.

News from there appears to have gone rather quiet….I wonder why?

It’s almost as if Johnson was too scared to back down on his Christmas plans and needed an excuse to get out of that hole.

317344 ▶▶ NorthumbrianNomad, replying to hotrod, 5, #780 of 2163 🔗

Because it is LESS dangerous but because it’s MORE transmissible it’s lethal to their social control protocols

317361 ▶▶▶ hotrod, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, 3, #781 of 2163 🔗

Yes agreed. But if that becomes clear now then it will quickly unravel.

I think Johnson was scared to admit he was wrong over the 5 day play and the “science” was more than happy to oblige.

Trot out Ferguson who will thrown under a bus in January when he proven wrong YET again.

Johnson saves face and can take the credit for his caution.

317373 ▶▶▶▶ NorthumbrianNomad, replying to hotrod, 2, #782 of 2163 🔗

I think you overestimate their brilliance. But if Ferguson is thrown under a bus I hope it’s done properly, ie from a high bridge at a particularly clear and fast section of the M1.

317374 ▶▶▶▶ Ovis, replying to hotrod, 3, #783 of 2163 🔗

Johnson has no face left to save. He’s just too much of a todger to realise that, and of course he derives misleading validation from his ludicrous butt plug Starmer.

317412 ▶▶ Crystal Decanter, replying to hotrod, 1, #784 of 2163 🔗

Covaids will keep mutating down until it fully settles down into Corona Cold #5
As the others most likely did
As Sars1 probably did without anyone noticing

317342 NorthumbrianNomad, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, 7, #785 of 2163 🔗

MASKS ARE POINTLESS.
Distancing is just a dance to the government’s pointless tune. Bees dancing automatically to the hive to show where the flowers are have more personal agency than you when you’re social distancing.
We are the maroons now.
Let’s beat the drums. And when we get them in our sights, let’s be merciless.

317569 ▶▶ Ben, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, 1, #786 of 2163 🔗

It keeps the narrative alive. No masks, no distancing, no sanitiser, no signage – no pandemic

317345 Bill Hickling, replying to Bill Hickling, 7, #787 of 2163 🔗

The latest excuse as to why they cannot use the Nightingale hospitals for the Covid overflow was provided this morning by Damien Collins MP who asked his local NHS trust. Apparently, the hospitals were only equipped for patients who need ventilators and they have changed the way that they treat Covid.
So, let me get this straight, they had the whole summer months to re-equip and adapt. We are locked down now because of their lack of planning.

317349 ▶▶ NorthumbrianNomad, replying to Bill Hickling, 4, #788 of 2163 🔗

As the entire Thai internet would say,
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(The Thai for “five” is “ha”)

317438 ▶▶▶ Luckyharry69, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, 1, #789 of 2163 🔗

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thats Yorkshire for Ho Ho Ho Ho Ho………

317459 ▶▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, 1, #790 of 2163 🔗

Jajajajajajaja. Espanol

317351 ▶▶ Charlie Blue, replying to Bill Hickling, 3, #791 of 2163 🔗

But why would we even need to use them when many of our hospitals lie half (or more) empty?

317352 ▶▶ Ovis, replying to Bill Hickling, 5, #792 of 2163 🔗

It’s odd, given that Johnson can pluck a hundred billion out of his arse for pointless testing. Could the state really not afford a few bogs for the Nightingales?

317393 ▶▶ Sue, replying to Bill Hickling, 4, #793 of 2163 🔗

i heard two stories on non use of the nightingales 1) they didn’t have enough toilets for those not bedbound i assume, and also that they didn’t have enough oxygen supplies or something (earlier on in the year from a friend who works in some care related in south west).
Seems a bit short sighted to not have made good the shortfalls and made them usable over the summer months to be ready for winter but i guess we are talking of the nhs here…

317403 ▶▶ DRW, replying to Bill Hickling, 3, #794 of 2163 🔗

They were probably just theatrics. Even regular hospitals were mostly empty. Talk of adapting them was dismissed with the “game changer” of T&T.
Someone reported the London Excel one was dismantled this month, to be replaced by a vax centre.

317470 ▶▶ FenTyger, replying to Bill Hickling, 3, #795 of 2163 🔗

I understood they equipped them for bed bound mechanical ventilation and when they found people really needed oxygen but could move, they hadn’t got sufficient toilets installed…..
Also they had no extra personnel to staff them. Basically useless window dressing.

317346 Ricky R, replying to Ricky R, 13, #796 of 2163 🔗

Quite dismayed at the likelihood of another lockdown which will see schools shut again for an unspecified time. Neil Fergusson may singlehandedly be the most damaging person to have a public voice in the 21st century so far.

Has anyone got any good news? Good personal anecdotes would be great as well. Starting to lose hope that this will ever end because people aren’t waking up to what they are doing to us.

317384 ▶▶ DavidC, replying to Ricky R, 2, #797 of 2163 🔗

Unfortunately not. I posted something on F***book last night in reponse to someone I know who had posted inaccurate, virtue signalling rubbish, my stating facts, figures and data and stating (once again) that my degree was in Microbiology, so I know something about it.

His response this morning? “bloody hell David, this is Facebook, not a scientific paper! I really don’t care what your degree is in” and “Comments posted by me on Facebook are generally to be regarded as “flippant” but sometimes with an edge of truth to them”.

DavidC

317461 ▶▶▶ Mark, replying to DavidC, 3, #798 of 2163 🔗

But doubtless of course you know and so does he if he’s honest that if you hadn’t mentioned your degree the response would have been “you’re not an expert so what you wrote is irrelevant”.

317629 ▶▶▶▶ DavidC, replying to Mark, #799 of 2163 🔗

In a spat with someone else on F***book earlier in the year the response was ‘On what planet on Earth [sic] do you have a degree in Microbiology whan you know nothing about it?’!

DavidC

317734 ▶▶▶▶▶ Mark, replying to DavidC, #800 of 2163 🔗

Clearly, you were displaying “the wrong kind of expertise”….

317386 ▶▶ Recusant, replying to Ricky R, 8, #801 of 2163 🔗

I think that Fergusson is a quack, but this one is on Boris. Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice…

317601 ▶▶▶ RickH, replying to Recusant, 1, #802 of 2163 🔗

Yes. Ferguson would appear as the failed academic he is if it wasn’t for him being tolerated by government.

317394 ▶▶ Awkward Git, replying to Ricky R, 13, #803 of 2163 🔗

Just been to TESCO Hanley to do the fresh fruit and veg shopping before locking ourselves sin until the 29th – not covid, we just hate the “Christmas spirit” and as I’ve only had 8 at home in 32 years we have a habit of it being family time only with a good, long meal Christmas Day, Boxing Day, lie-ins, no mobiles, no telephones, no internet, no visitors, ignore the door and so on.

Many people believed the propaganda about empty shelves, no broccoli, no cauliflower, no lettuce etc and as the shop was stocked full of everything including all fresh veg and salad they started questioning what the TV “news” was saying especially as staff said the back was full of it as well and more lorries coming so don’t worry.

Many not very complimentary comments bout the BBC news were heard. It’s a start.

Or maybe Stokies don’t do fresh veg and salad.

317414 ▶▶▶ Crystal Decanter, replying to Awkward Git, 3, #804 of 2163 🔗

The supply chain doesn’t disappear overnight
Have a peek in week or two

317475 ▶▶▶▶ Awkward Git, replying to Crystal Decanter, 3, #805 of 2163 🔗

It was just heartening to hear all the comments about BBC, propaganda, lies, “call that news”, fake, idiots and so on.

Cheered me up no end, almost as much as when I was following an older couple round the shop who were obviously terrified of my free-face as they believe this mutant virus will kill us all in days, got in a few comments to Mrs Awkward they heard about it all being crap plus when the son turned up with his scary mask and I said “if you are with me you re exempt automatically so take it off” they went pale and turned and fled when he said “don’t want to, I enjoy scaring all the brain dead sheeple.

Good day out.

317623 ▶▶▶ Silke David, replying to Awkward Git, #806 of 2163 🔗

And how much of the salad and other freshveg will end up in the household bin?

317735 ▶▶▶▶ Awkward Git, replying to Silke David, 2, #807 of 2163 🔗

Quite a bit i think but I’ll do my bit not to waste it, amazing what you can do wth leftovers – turkey and bread sauce pies, beef, barley and bean stews/pies, veg curries, sandwiches, veg curries, beef and blue cheese sandwiches, pasta bakes, soups, stews, loads of good stuff.

Sometimes the leftover meals from the 27th to new year are better than the food on the day.

317619 ▶▶ Silke David, replying to Ricky R, 1, #808 of 2163 🔗

Re schools I think they should keep all the children repeat one year. The schoolleavers do not have any jobs to go to anyway.

317347 Barney McGrew, replying to Barney McGrew, 15, #809 of 2163 🔗

An interesting little moment on Christmas University Challenge yesterday. The BBC was at pains to stress that it was all Covid-compliant, so Paxman had to say “The contestants have made their way here complete with masks, hand-sanitiser and letters of transit …”.

Letters of transit? If you are legitimately making your way round a free country, why would you need a ‘letter of transit’? If you are travelling in a non-free country and the legislation demands such a letter, who is authorised to sign it, and what are legitimate reasons for having one? In this case, it is seemingly a television programme maker, and your activity is “Appear on a quiz show”.

To me, it seemed like a craven gesture; a capitulation to an idea of a loss of freedom that was not necessary. Cementing in the minds of the viewer that they, personally, don’t have the right to travel, but that special, essential people like quiz show contestants, and special organisations like the BBC, are in the privileged position of being able to create these special pieces of paper.

317354 ▶▶ NorthumbrianNomad, replying to Barney McGrew, 4, #810 of 2163 🔗

He has history of … joking?

317363 ▶▶▶ Barney McGrew, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, 3, #811 of 2163 🔗

If so, it’s not much of a joke. I don’t think he was joking, anyway.

To be clear, I personally have travelled in ‘lockdown’ for work purposes, and early on it crossed my mind that I should get my employer to send me an email I could wave under the snout of any policeman who stopped me. But it wouldn’t be legally necessary I don’t think – but it just might be necessary in practice. I wouldn’t suggest to anyone else that it was a good, or necessary thing.

317381 ▶▶▶▶ NorthumbrianNomad, replying to Barney McGrew, 2, #812 of 2163 🔗

Well, I beg to differ, I think it’s quite a good and quite a sceptical joke.

317395 ▶▶▶▶▶ Barney McGrew, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, 2, #813 of 2163 🔗

It would only be a joke in the pre-Covid world where “Your papers, please” was so alien it was funny – and only happened to foreigners.

317399 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ NorthumbrianNomad, replying to Barney McGrew, 1, #814 of 2163 🔗

I do think we have to keep our sense of humour otherwise there’s little else worth saving

317565 ▶▶▶▶▶ Nigel Sherratt, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, 1, #815 of 2163 🔗

Yes, obviously a Casablanca reference, like ‘The Usual Suspects’.

Here the fortunate ones through money or influence or luck might obtain exit visas and scurry to Lisbon, and from Lisbon to the New World. But the others wait in Casablanca. And wait. And wait. And wait.

317362 ▶▶ DavidC, replying to Barney McGrew, 2, #816 of 2163 🔗

I remember when Paxo was on Newsnight and had to tell the weather forecast at the end of the programme. Some of his sarcasm nearly had me in tears. I was disappointed when he rode the tandem with Boris Johnson on his last programme though.

DavidC

317368 ▶▶ Peter Thompson, replying to Barney McGrew, 4, #817 of 2163 🔗

Letters of transit sounds very continental. In France you need to download an attestation form to be shown to the police if you are outside during the covid curfew. The French are used to this from the war and the occupation and think that its normal. Weird world eh ?

317553 ▶▶▶ Waldorf, replying to Peter Thompson, #818 of 2163 🔗

They feature in Casablanca , a film set in the Second World War with Nazis about.

317574 ▶▶▶▶ Nigel Sherratt, replying to Waldorf, #819 of 2163 🔗

Ugarte : What right do I have to think?..Too bad about those two German couriers, wasn’t it?
Rick : They got a lucky break. Yesterday, they were just two German clerks. Today, they’re the Honored Dead.
Ugarte : You are a very cynical person, Rick, if you forgive me for saying so.
Rick : I forgive you.
Ugarte : You despise me, don’t you?
Rick : Well, if I gave you any thought, I probably would.
Ugarte : But why? Oh, you object to the kind of business I do, huh? But think of all those poor refugees who must rot in this place if I didn’t help them. Well that’s not so bad, through ways of my own, I provide them with exit visas.
Rick : For a price, Ugarte, for a price.
Ugarte : But think of all the poor devils who can’t meet Renault’s price. I get it for them for half. Is that so parasitic?
Rick : I don’t mind a parasite. I object to a cut-rate one.

317453 ▶▶ mjr, replying to Barney McGrew, 4, #820 of 2163 🔗

these are not quiz show contestants.. ie. not ordinary people. The christmas editions are former students of institutions who have gone on to some noteworthy career. Most of them i havent heard of . And they tend to be establishment – medical, academia, quango, Guardian, BBC etc etc . Basically all from the areas that are perpetuating the lockdown shit show. So yes they are all priveleged.
Wouldnt surprise me if Imperial are on featuring Ferguson.

317750 ▶▶▶ Barney McGrew, replying to mjr, #821 of 2163 🔗

Oh yes, there can be queasiness-inducing contestants on that show. Last year they had the founder of some women’s equality party – or whatever. Last night they had a Trump Derangement-based question regarding articles and books written by Trump’s former members of staff – with quotes of how they have slagged him off. Not the classiest question they have ever had on the show.

317609 ▶▶ Silke David, replying to Barney McGrew, 1, #822 of 2163 🔗

How tv want us to believe they stick to guidelines and we are in the same boat is such a joke. Neighbours today scene in hospital. Background artist in mask, main characters not.

Yes, I quite like to watch that show. Why not?

317358 Ben, replying to Ben, 24, #823 of 2163 🔗

We are being psychologically tortured by Government and SAGE so that we surrender and accept a future we wouldn’t normally accept – a future of vaccines, vaccine boosters and immunity passports

A future heavily invested in by Pharma, Gates and tech industries that promises profits forever

‘The future is clear, and it’s dystopian.’ Neil Clark writes 👇

https://www.rt.com/op-ed/497272-clear-health-pass-covid-dystopian/
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317375 ▶▶ John P, replying to Ben, -32, #824 of 2163 🔗

I thought you were going to post something intelligent for a moment, Ben.

I even agree with some of what you say here.

The future isn’t known, however, and not everyone is signed up to the WEF. But you keep on promoting it if you want to.

It’s not as though we haven’t heard enough about it already this morning.

317385 ▶▶▶ Ben, replying to John P, 21, #825 of 2163 🔗

I’m happy to hear your theories as to why our lives, and the lives of those in every country around the world are being systematically destroyed – and there is no end in sight

Have a good day

317398 ▶▶▶ Be Unshakeable, replying to John P, 24, #826 of 2163 🔗

I thought you were going to post something intelligent for a moment, Ben.”

If you spent some time addressing your insecurities you wouldn’t have to insult others in order to make yourself feel better. Just saying.

318167 ▶▶▶ Jez Hewitt, replying to John P, #827 of 2163 🔗

The ‘incompetence theorist is at it again I see. I think about 194 countries are signed up to it. It happened on Cameron’s watch – funny, I don’t recall it appearing in any manifesto or any debate in Parliament.

Why are you so keen to shoot this down when you haven’t been arsed to even have a look for yourself?

Hold on, are you negging Ben? I think you’ve got the wrong forum.

317360 Mr Dee, replying to Mr Dee, 29, #828 of 2163 🔗

More people asked about this than almost any other topic: given that golf is allowed in England, why have golf courses and outdoor tennis courts closed?”

Drakeford:
“At this point in the pandemic, when things are as serious as they are and the impact on our health service is as serious as it is, we have to have the maximum impact and every little bit does help. …
But I don’t think it would have been sensible to start unravelling what we need to do at this point when things are at their most serious. Just as golf and tennis have their advocates we also have people who want to go fishing and people who want to fly pigeons .”

Bloody pigeon fanciers, wanting to kill Granny with their feathery death-laden flying Covid-bombs.

Does this man live in the real world?

317437 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to Mr Dee, 5, #829 of 2163 🔗

He missed the point completely didn’t he? It was almost a rhetorical question to make the point that it’s all nonsense.

317372 Mabel Cow, 14, #830 of 2163 🔗
317376 Awkward Git, replying to Awkward Git, 4, #831 of 2163 🔗

Couldn’t put it better myself:

https://youtu.be/gKOo8rd6T7s

317387 ▶▶ George L, replying to Awkward Git, 1, #832 of 2163 🔗

Me neither..

317377 George L, replying to George L, 11, #833 of 2163 🔗

France .. Macron’s making the most of this UK virus strain non event. Already his minions are demanding permanent strict lockdown of France after 26th December. Its almost as if this were in perfect Lock-Step.. eh!

The bastards are really going for it now.

https://www.connexionfrance.com/French-news/France-will-need-another-lockdown-from-December-26-say-expert-professors

317408 ▶▶ Sarigan, replying to George L, 6, #834 of 2163 🔗

I see all the emphasis is on cases rather than hospitalisation and deaths.

317413 ▶▶▶ George L, replying to Sarigan, 5, #835 of 2163 🔗

Yes.. same old same old.Keep repeating a lie long enough and it eventually becomes the truth. More bought and paid for ‘expert-professors’

317450 ▶▶ Ricky R, replying to George L, 3, #836 of 2163 🔗

Literally taking any excuse to flex their authoritarianism.

317518 ▶▶▶ George L, replying to Ricky R, 1, #837 of 2163 🔗

Yes I’m afraid so. Although in UK at the moment I spend the greater part of my life in France, and since the brutal put down of the Gilet Jaune movement it seems France is even more under the cosh than the UK and are submitting to it. 6 year olds wearing masks for example. Just like UK the country is being systematicly destroyed. It makes me feel sick to watch..

317380 swedenborg, replying to swedenborg, 3, #838 of 2163 🔗

Now all continents infected. Chile had a „robust“ response with LD and masks in abundance

https://twitter.com/AntarcticReport/status/1341322201849425921

Antartica is no longer free of COVID-19! The Chilean army today reported 36 personnel at O’Higgins Base have tested positive (26 military and 10 civilians); the station has been undergoing the annual exchange of personnel over the last few weeks; pic

317396 ▶▶ Ben, replying to swedenborg, 3, #839 of 2163 🔗

‘Positive’…

Were they healthy and asymptomatic? Crucial information really

317725 ▶▶▶ Bugle, replying to Ben, #840 of 2163 🔗

Something’s in the air.

317390 karenovirus, replying to karenovirus, 12, #841 of 2163 🔗

bozo headed for the number one Crimbo novelty pop slot.
Peaking #2 UK iTunes AND Amazon music let’s give this one last push and really piss hancock off !

317410 ▶▶ Mr Dee, replying to karenovirus, 5, #842 of 2163 🔗

I thought this was a joke, but yes, you’re right!

317420 ▶▶ Mr Dee, replying to karenovirus, 8, #843 of 2163 🔗

Thanks Karenovirus. Best 79 pence I’ve ever spent.

Great lyrics too. Very poignant.

I urge you all to push it to number 1.

317442 ▶▶ Yawnyaman, replying to karenovirus, 1, #844 of 2163 🔗

Love the parental warning!

317452 ▶▶ Be Unshakeable, replying to karenovirus, 3, #845 of 2163 🔗

What a jolly little ditty. Very catchy. Hope it takes the top spot.

317541 ▶▶▶ dommo, replying to Be Unshakeable, 8, #846 of 2163 🔗

now 70% more catchy than it was last week…

317835 ▶▶ Jez Hewitt, replying to karenovirus, #847 of 2163 🔗

Delete

317397 Tiberius, 1, #848 of 2163 🔗

9,334.

317401 Nobody2020, replying to Nobody2020, 58, #849 of 2163 🔗

Lord Ridley on Sky News saying we need to have a serious rethink on whether “Lockdowns have achieved anything”.

“We have to be honest with ourselves”

Surprised he was allowed to say it but he’s right.

317409 ▶▶ John P, replying to Nobody2020, 14, #850 of 2163 🔗

The problem isn’t people being “allowed” to say something.

People can say what they like.

The issue is whether people with views like this are given airtime and whether the programme editors broadcast them.

It’s a good start and it just goes to show that creepy Claus doesn’t control everyone in the media as some here would have us believe.

317480 ▶▶▶ calchas, replying to John P, 18, #851 of 2163 🔗

“The problem isn’t people being “allowed” to say something.”

Yes it is, becuse if sceptics had been allowed to debate this issue on a level playing-field, then this would all have been over by June at the latest.

The most important component holding this narrative in place in the censorship of dissent – in broadcast media and on the Internet.

Are you not aware of the level of censorship on: youtube, Dacebook, Twitter etc.

The very fact that there is so much censorship is an acknowledgement by the purveyors of the narrative of how important this is.

317984 ▶▶▶▶ Mark, replying to calchas, 2, #852 of 2163 🔗

But you presumably (feel free to correct me if I’m wrong) don’t apply the same judgement to the longstanding similar censorship and suppression of “racist” views in our societies.

As it happens imo you are correct on this topic – that the censorship and suppression of dissent reflects the importance of the coronapanic narrative to the powerful, and exactly the same applies to the past and ongoing suppression of “racism”, which was every bit as important to the powerful for a similar mix of policy and ideological reasons.

I didn’t agree with everything the “racists” said any more than I agree with everything the “anti-lockdowners” and “anti-vaxxers” say, but I did recognise the same suppression of dissent, and have opposed it, on both occasions.

Supporting freedom of speech means defending speech you dislike, not speech you like. By the time it gets around to the latter, it’s usually too late. As on this occasion.

318234 ▶▶▶▶▶ Bugle, replying to Mark, 1, #853 of 2163 🔗

Much needed post.

317441 ▶▶ Tyneside Tigress, replying to Nobody2020, 9, #854 of 2163 🔗

It was an excellent interview. Colin Brazier let him speak (Adam Boulton would have shouted over him). Although he was co-signatory on a letter from a group of Tory Lords criticising the second lockdown, I’ve not seem him out on TV before. Interesting.

317454 ▶▶▶ Nobody2020, replying to Tyneside Tigress, 5, #855 of 2163 🔗

Adam Boulton is the Sky attack dog. A very unpleasant man on screen.

Maybe he’s a nice chap in real life but I’m dubious.

317415 karenovirus, 12, #856 of 2163 🔗

Field report Covid Safe GP Practice Report.

Yesterday at 11am I phoned my GP practice to arrange an online consultation about the recurrence of a pre Covid medical condition.
This concluded with the Medical Receptionist saying I would be telephoned between 14.00 and 18.00 that very afternoon.

Fair enough the call came at 17.20.
Andrew introduced himself as the Senior Nursing Practitioner. We discussed my case and my preferred options with which he agreed.
Andrew did not ask why I had not taken their offer of the seasonal flu needle penetration nor whether I would be getting stabbed for the Covid.

Meds dispensed 09.30 this morning.

9 out of 10.

317416 NorthumbrianNomad, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, 21, #857 of 2163 🔗

As you may know if you take any notice of the rubbish I spout, I keep an eye on the moderate centre left commentators to see where the wind is blowing. And sadly I can report that while they were veering towards lockdown scepticism until recently, the “mutant strain delusion” has flipped them all into a Stalinist lockdown shriekathon. All we can hope for is that when the truth about the Hancock Variant becomes clear, there is a backlash. But the Overton Window right now is somewhere up Uranus.

317433 ▶▶ Tyneside Tigress, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, 6, #858 of 2163 🔗

The Ferguson/Whitty/Vallance nexus knows its base, and how to bring them back in!

317418 Mr Dee, replying to Mr Dee, 40, #859 of 2163 🔗

My daughter sent me this, from our cousins across the pond.

317464 ▶▶ CGL, replying to Mr Dee, 14, #860 of 2163 🔗

A friend of mine who is currently suffering a relapse in her MS has just had a snitch report her to the police for her mum and dad being there. They are looking after her! People should mind their own f’ing business. I have been wanting to put something like this up in a window since Foetida Dick first mentioned snitching but Mr said it might draw unwanted attention so I haven’t up to now.

317509 ▶▶▶ Mr Dee, replying to CGL, 5, #861 of 2163 🔗

Would the snitchers snitch if they were not anonymous? Of course not. Cowards. They’re terrified of dying, but don’t realise that they’re dead on the inside.

317604 ▶▶ Janette, replying to Mr Dee, #862 of 2163 🔗

we should all take that view.

317423 Sarigan, 11, #863 of 2163 🔗

Ominous:

Costco has had a face covering policy in effect since 24.04.20, but members who could not wear a face mask due to a medical condition were exempt. This is no longer the case. If a member/guest has a medical condition that prevents them from wearing a mask, they must instead wear a face shield. The use of a face covering should not be seen as a substitute for social distancing. Please continue to observe rules regarding appropriate distancing while on Costco premises.

317429 JamesDrebin, 1, #864 of 2163 🔗

Me, in 2021, trying to participate in society without getting needled:

https://youtu.be/TUeY5V8A9LM?t=09

(blow-darting scene from Ace Ventura: When Nature Calls, just in case you cba to watch)

317430 Basics, replying to Basics, 12, #865 of 2163 🔗

COSTCO just annouce exempt from maskwearing members must now wear visors.

Face covering requirements with added face shield requirement for exempt members
Effective 23.12.20, we will require all members, guests and employees to wear a face covering (that covers the nose and mouth) at all Costco warehouse locations. Entry to Costco will only be granted to those wearing a face mask or a face shield. Children under the age of 11 are exempt. Please note that the additional requirement to wear a face shield for children over the age of 11 does not affect the requirement in Scotland for children age 5 and over to wear a face covering

Costco has had a face covering policy in effect since 24.04.20, but members who could not wear a face mask due to a medical condition were exempt. This is no longer the case. If a member/guest has a medical condition that prevents them from wearing a mask, they must instead wear a face shield. The use of a face covering should not be seen as a substitute for social distancing. Please continue to observe rules regarding appropriate distancing while on Costco premises.

Whilst this updated policy may seem inconvenient for some, we believe that the added safety is worth any inconvenience. Our goal is to continue to provide a safe shopping environment for our members and guests, and to provide a safe work environment
for our employees.

Thank you for your understanding and cooperation.

Louie Silveira
Vice President and Country Manager
Costco UK & Iceland

I understand risk assesments are a thing of the past – enforced medical intervention is not okay Louie.

317432 ▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Basics, 10, #866 of 2163 🔗

Defund Costco

318887 ▶▶▶ richard riewer, replying to karenovirus, #867 of 2163 🔗

Boycott Costco.

317439 ▶▶ Simon Cook, replying to Basics, 3, #868 of 2163 🔗

Sorry Basics! Great minds obvioulsy thinking alike 🙂

317431 Biggles, replying to Biggles, 10, #869 of 2163 🔗

Apologies if you’re about to have lunch, but I saw this image and immediately thought of Cecil B.

317435 ▶▶ Mr Dee, replying to Biggles, 1, #870 of 2163 🔗

For some reason that image triggers in my mind the name ‘David Cameron’.

317440 ▶▶▶ Biggles, replying to Mr Dee, #871 of 2163 🔗

Yes,indeed!

317449 ▶▶▶ Ceci, replying to Mr Dee, #872 of 2163 🔗

It’s got Cameron’s arse

317456 ▶▶▶▶ Mr Dee, replying to Ceci, #873 of 2163 🔗

It’s the part of Cameron that it’s just had in its mouth that worries me.

317451 ▶▶▶ Ovis, replying to Mr Dee, #874 of 2163 🔗

How did Johnson rise to prominence in the Tory Party?

317447 ▶▶ Ceci, replying to Biggles, 3, #875 of 2163 🔗

I look nothing like that

317824 ▶▶ Jez Hewitt, replying to Biggles, #876 of 2163 🔗

I got all excited for a minute that someone had taken my human centipede cabinet suggestion literally.

317434 Simon Cook, replying to Simon Cook, 2, #877 of 2163 🔗

Just received the following email from Costco (I have no idea how I’m on their mailing list – I must have signed up about 9 years ago when first setting up my design business and went a few times).
I reckon they take the latest yellow mattress award.


Face covering requirements with added face shield requirement for exempt members
Effective 23.12.20, we will require all members, guests and employees to wear a face covering (that covers the nose and mouth) at all Costco warehouse locations. Entry to Costco will only be granted to those wearing a face mask or a face shield. Children under the age of 11 are exempt. Please note that the additional requirement to wear a face shield for children over the age of 11 does not affect the requirement in Scotland for children age 5 and over to wear a face covering
Costco has had a face covering policy in effect since 24.04.20, but members who could not wear a face mask due to a medical condition were exempt. This is no longer the case. If a member/guest has a medical condition that prevents them from wearing a mask, they must instead wear a face shield. The use of a face covering should not be seen as a substitute for social distancing. Please continue to observe rules regarding appropriate distancing while on Costco premises.
Whilst this updated policy may seem inconvenient for some, we believe that the added safety is worth any inconvenience. Our goal is to continue to provide a safe shopping environment for our members and guests, and to provide a safe work environment
for our employees.
Thank you for your understanding and cooperation.
Louie Silveira
Vice President and Country Manager
Costco UK & Iceland

317448 ▶▶ Ovis, replying to Simon Cook, 5, #878 of 2163 🔗

There are businesses that deserve bankruptcy.

Sadly, they are probably not the ones that will get it. But we can all ‘do our bit.’

317468 ▶▶ Crystal Decanter, replying to Simon Cook, 2, #879 of 2163 🔗

I will use a flimsy plastic face shield but have it positioned upwards so I can coof freely

317469 ▶▶ Ovis, replying to Simon Cook, 2, #880 of 2163 🔗

His sign off is a calculated insult.

317485 ▶▶ Lockdown_Lunacy, replying to Simon Cook, 3, #881 of 2163 🔗

Haven’t been there for a while but when my membership is due for renewal in January I’ll let it lapse.

317523 ▶▶ arfurmo, replying to Simon Cook, #882 of 2163 🔗

All retail may follow .Bad news

317980 ▶▶ mjr, replying to Simon Cook, #883 of 2163 🔗

isnt Costco’s main customer base the small independent shops restaurants etc. i.e the ones who have been closed, suffering most and going out of business. This must have affected their turnover . So strange they want to drive more business away

317443 NorthumbrianNomad, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, 41, #884 of 2163 🔗

With regard to the death statistics – I keep thinking about my father. Not only in regard to that, but for present purposes. He died on February 7 2019 of heart failure after a six month descent into hell unassisted by the GP, who just turned up two years ago today like the Angel of Death with a no resus form for him to sign. One of the reasons I stayed in Thailand this year was that I’d rather not get trapped in that house again after spending that last year with him looking after him.

Anyway, between Christmas and New Year that last year I came down with a cold and hid in my room for three days. There’s no doubt that if he’d caught it he’d have died. He was on 24/7 oxygen and barely oxygenating on that. As it happens, his lifetime immunity to almost everything from a career as a GP when they actually examined patients meant he didn’t catch it.

Would they have said he’d died of a cold? No. Nor should they have done. He’d have died of what he did die of, which was cardiac failure.

Christmas ain’t Christmas without the old sod and his lethal and tooth rotting homemade cherry brandy. By god, he’d have hated this.

317529 ▶▶ EllGee, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, 11, #885 of 2163 🔗

Understand your last sentence totally. My mother was 92 when she died a couple of years ago. She would have been head of the escape committee in her care home

317458 Awkward Git, replying to Awkward Git, 35, #886 of 2163 🔗

The UK Government, the gift that just keeps giving and giving but it is Christmas after all.

Just had a reply from PHE about what a positive RT-PCR test result means, here it is with my answer below (my highlighting):

Thank you for your email to Public Health England (PHE) on 2 December 2020 regarding RT-PCR Tests. I am sorry for the delay in responding to you, we are currently receiving a high volume of correspondence.

COVID-19 cases are identified by taking specimens from people and sending these specimens to laboratories around the UK for PCR swab testing. If the test is positive, this is referred to as a lab-confirmed case. The PCR tests look for genetic material of the virus to tell you whether a person currently has SARS-CoV-2 . No diagnostic test is 100% accurate, false positives and false negatives can occur depending on a number of factors not directly related to test performance. We are confident in the performance of our PCR tests, which are evaluated for accuracy and reliability prior to being approved for diagnostic use. Once in use, the performance of the test is continually monitored and reviewed for technical quality and performance. Policy decisions on how to respond to Covid-19 infections (as detected by PCR testing and in other ways) are made by government ministers and are explained in parliament, in government publications and through interactions with the media.

I hope this information is useful to you.

And my reply:

Thank you for your reply, it was most informative.

Unfortunately there is a mistake in your answer that I must point out as it is contradicts existing Government published “science”.

It is the sentence “The PCR tests look for genetic material of the virus to tell you whether a person currently has SARS-CoV-2”.

I take it that by the words “currently has” you mean that they are suffering from SARS-CoV-2 as in suffering from medically.

This document is an official explanation of what a RT-PCR test result means, it is posted on the gov.uk website:

https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/926410/Understanding_Cycle_Threshold__Ct__in_SARS-CoV-2_RT-PCR_.pdf

Some quotes:

Cycle threshold (Ct) is a semi-quantitative value that can broadly categorise the concentration of viral genetic material in a patient sample following testing by RT PCR as low, medium or high – that is, it tells us approximately how much viral genetic material is in the sample.

A single Ct value in the absence of clinical context cannot be relied upon for decision making about a person’s infectivity.

The clinical significance of positive results with high Ct are difficult to interpret in the absence of clinical history and context.

And the absolute best:

RT-PCR detects presence of viral genetic material in a sample but is not able to distinguish whether infectious virus is present.

So nothing in that document supports your statement about the test result meaning a person has SARS-Cov-2.

I also submitted a FOI question to the DHSC and received an answer, Department of Health and Social Care Reference FOI-1240596 and it stated that a positive PCR test means nothing medically.

The actual quote:

“SARS-CoV-2 RNA means the RNA is present in that sample at that point in time. It does not mean that the patient has the novel coronavirus (COVID-19).”

So again, nothing in that answer supports your statement about the test result meaning a person has SARS-Cov-2.

I also contacted a RT-PCR test kit manufacturer that was listed on a Government/DHSC/PHE webpage and used by the Government to analyse RT-PCR tests and in the various technical documents they sent me it also stated:

13. The final diagnosis should not be based solely on the results of this product. The final diagnosis should be based on a combination of different test methods and clinical results at the discretion of the physician”

6. Results from the device should be correlated with the clinical history, epidemiological data and other data available to the clinician evaluating the patient.

10. This device is a qualitative test and does not provide information on the viral load present in the specimen

13. This test cannot rule out diseases caused by other bacterial or viral pathogens.

14. Cross-reactivity with respiratory tract organisms other than those listed in the Analytical Specificity Study may lead to erroneous results.

So yet again, nothing in those documents support your statement about the test result meaning a person is suffering from SARS-Cov-2.

If you require further information then please do not hesitate to contact me.

They really do not have a clue do they?

317473 ▶▶ vargas99, replying to Awkward Git, 16, #887 of 2163 🔗

They say what they are told to say and have the arrogance to think that no-one will actually check the veracity of what they are saying.

You sir, for the work that you are doing on our behalf, are a star – worth a million of these bone headed civil serpents. I salute you.

317499 ▶▶▶ anon, replying to vargas99, 4, #888 of 2163 🔗

well said

317481 ▶▶ Hieronimusb, replying to Awkward Git, 2, #889 of 2163 🔗

These people are drug addicts, they get high on the slightest whiff of SARS-CoV-2.

317555 ▶▶ Leemc23, replying to Awkward Git, 4, #890 of 2163 🔗

Well done. And no. They have no clue at all.

317590 ▶▶ Silke David, replying to Awkward Git, 2, #891 of 2163 🔗

I like your last sentence.
It says a lot without using the words.

317659 ▶▶ mhcp, replying to Awkward Git, 2, #892 of 2163 🔗

PCR is not a calibrated or standardised test either. It is a datamining exercise. You anplify until a signal is achieved then try and determine what that means. It’s qualitative at best.

For it to be a test it must have tightly controlled inputs, characterised procedures and a clear output with known workable uncertainties.

It’s none of that. And that’s even for general use. In general use like for MSRA and flu it’s generally used when there are symptoms hence you get a signal for low cycles.

Apply that thinking to testing people in general and it falls apart.

Absolute typical extrapolation beyond the bounds of use.

317674 ▶▶▶ Carrie, replying to mhcp, 4, #893 of 2163 🔗

I believe the tests are being used to compile a population-wide DNA database.. Probably then on sale to big pharma and any business to whom it might be useful – like insurance companies, for example.

317854 ▶▶ Stringfellow Hawke, replying to Awkward Git, 1, #894 of 2163 🔗

FOIA response from Kent CCG confirms they have no idea what cycle threshold is being used on the test. They have no idea if it can identify an infectious individual or not.and they have no idea what the operational false positive rate is.
Apart from that they’re fantastic.

317946 ▶▶▶ Awkward Git, replying to Stringfellow Hawke, 2, #895 of 2163 🔗

Matches my replies from amy councils, authorities, mayors and devolved governments.

None of them can supply any science whatsoever.

All they say is “we are just following orders”.

317460 nickbowes, replying to nickbowes, 15, #896 of 2163 🔗

So again, the liars and corrupt globalists going after schools and children in the name of this “deadly” virus, media going into over drive today about closing schools next month so they probably will as Johnson is such a weak minded cretin who only follows his masters at davos and who. Ferguson being constantly in the loop, despite his failed idiotic predictions in the past, should worry every parent That smug c**t should be hanging from a tree along with the boiled egg eyed lizard Whitty and big pharma paycheck Valance.

317463 ▶▶ NorthumbrianNomad, replying to nickbowes, 6, #897 of 2163 🔗

They speak highly of you.

(Sorry – I agree with every word you wrote, I’m just taking refuge in humour.)

317462 dommo, 2, #898 of 2163 🔗
317466 Nobody2020, 8, #899 of 2163 🔗

Seems they bring out The Ferguson whenever they need a worst case scenario to justify any actions they intend to take.

Maybe it’s not so much his expertise they value but rather nobody else wants to provide the worst case scenarios that they desire.

317467 Fiat, 2, #900 of 2163 🔗

Slade:

“It’s hard having fun nowadays
So we just gotta find some new ways
It’s so hard having fun nowadays“

Merry Christmas everybody!

317474 p02099003, replying to p02099003, 17, #901 of 2163 🔗

Just received this email from Costco
“Effective 23.12.20 , we will require all members, guests and employees to wear a face covering (that covers the nose and mouth) at all Costco warehouse locations. Entry to Costco will only be granted to those wearing a face mask or a face shield. Children under the age of 11 are exempt. Please note that the additional requirement to wear a face shield for children over the age of 11 does not affect the requirement in Scotland for children age 5 and over to wear a face covering
Costco has had a face covering policy in effect since 24.04.20, but members who could not wear a face mask due to a medical condition were exempt. This is no longer the case. If a member/guest has a medical condition that prevents them from wearing a mask, they must instead wear a face shield. The use of a face covering should not be seen as a substitute for social distancing. Please continue to observe rules regarding appropriate distancing while on Costco premises.
Whilst this updated policy may seem inconvenient for some, we believe that the added safety is worth any inconvenience. Our goal is to continue to provide a safe shopping environment for our members and guests, and to provide a safe work environment
for our employees.
Thank you for your understanding and cooperation.”

surely that is illegal.

317476 ▶▶ Janice21, replying to p02099003, 10, #902 of 2163 🔗

Thats outrageous, a shield is also a face covering and if you can be exempt from that under medical grounds (anxiety or PTSD) as well.

317477 ▶▶ Crystal Decanter, replying to p02099003, 4, #903 of 2163 🔗

Possibly for those suffering from mental issues.
Won’t know until the first court case

317486 ▶▶ Mark, replying to p02099003, 18, #904 of 2163 🔗

On the face of it it’s only illegal if you can plausibly claim that someone would be “legitimately” exempt from wearing both facemasks and visors. It’s a bit of a stretch to justify being exempt from wearing a visor since it’s basically irrelevant as far as breathing is concerned. And therefore also as far as infection is concerned, barring people actually spitting on each other.

You could claim anxiety etc but it’s hard to do so credibly imo over a piece of transparent, unfitted plastic.

It’s equivalent really to requiring customers to wear some kind of symbolic badge to be allowed in – in other words the only real defence is refusing to go there. The issue for them is will they lose more customers by doing this, or by not doing it and the mask rule being routinely ignored.

In a way, it’s kind of a declaration of war by Costco on lockdown/facemask dissenters, so we should respond appropriately. If it is allowed to spread life will get much more unpleasant.

317508 ▶▶▶ Ovis, replying to Mark, 14, #905 of 2163 🔗

This is the fear, that Costco is setting a new ‘gold standard’ for retailers. If they all march in lockstep, none need fear losing sales (at least, not proportionately to other providers).

It is difficult to resist the feeling that it would be good for something bad to happen to Costco. Like a thunderbolt from Heaven, or plague, or an earthquake. A sign.

317701 ▶▶▶▶ mhcp, replying to Ovis, 1, #906 of 2163 🔗

If they all do it then it becomes direct discrimination as to get round it they need to be able to point to choice. So if Lidl don’t apply this then go shop at Lidl.

But if they all do it they all become liable.

317544 ▶▶▶ James007, replying to Mark, 4, #907 of 2163 🔗

We are still in the positive feedback cycle the government created.
More fear, fuels a desire for people to go far beyond what the rules require. This in term increases the fear, and encourages others to do the same.

I am astonished by the lack of questioning. Is this really necessary? It is assumed so.

317551 ▶▶▶ James007, replying to Mark, 3, #908 of 2163 🔗

A pub near me, has the sign “No Mask No Entry” with no mention of any exemptions. They have several similar signs on their windows.
I was going to take it up with the landlord, but they are closed now anyway under T4.

317714 ▶▶▶▶ Bugle, replying to James007, 3, #909 of 2163 🔗

Shows how far compliance gets you.

317552 ▶▶▶ Mabel Cow, replying to Mark, 11, #910 of 2163 🔗

Myself, I would claim exemption on the grounds of mental health, not breathing impairment. Being forced to participate in the face-covering charade damages my mental health, irrespective of whether it’s a mask or a visor.

The government’s actions have driven me into clinical depression and the imposition of pointless face coverings (whatever the type) exacerbates my condition.

317567 ▶▶▶▶ Crystal Decanter, replying to Mabel Cow, 1, #911 of 2163 🔗

defo the way to go
They are already trying to weed out the asthma sufferers

317632 ▶▶▶▶ Mark, replying to Mabel Cow, 3, #912 of 2163 🔗

Only the hardiest of dissenters will follow that path, though, which leaves them with fewer to confront.

Costco needs to be made to pay a price, but do we have the numbers or influence to outweigh the fanatics pushing in the other direction?

317492 ▶▶ Lms23, replying to p02099003, 6, #913 of 2163 🔗

Good reason not to go to Costco.

317496 ▶▶ PoshPanic, replying to p02099003, 4, #914 of 2163 🔗

Well I’ve never set foot in a costco, but I did notice an increase in strimmer face shields out on the street today.

317515 ▶▶ common conservative, replying to p02099003, 5, #915 of 2163 🔗

It is outrageous, but I fear they can get around this blatant discrimination by citing the (2010) Equality Act and claiming their actions are ‘a proportionate means of achieving a legitimate aim.’ Is there a more ‘noble’ ‘legitimate aim’ than ‘keeping everyone safe’?

Safeism is the unchallengeable new quasi-religion.

I suggest taking your money elsewhere.

317521 ▶▶ Ben, replying to p02099003, 13, #916 of 2163 🔗

I hope Costco go out of business. They deserve to

317542 ▶▶ Leemc23, replying to p02099003, 7, #917 of 2163 🔗

Well. WHO guidance clearly says there is no (NO) benefit at all from face shields. Email them and tell them this and ask for their risk assessment that enabled this policy change. Inform them they have a period of reply, short, before they are reported to the HSE for endangering the public.

They will stop this immediately is my bet.

317548 ▶▶ Tking, replying to p02099003, 3, #918 of 2163 🔗

A face shield, I thought even the “experts” said these didn’t work.

317670 ▶▶▶ Carrie, replying to Tking, 5, #919 of 2163 🔗

It’s more about making people comply to the rules..a method of subjugation..

317591 ▶▶ Awkward Git, replying to p02099003, 4, #920 of 2163 🔗

Now I’m self-employed I was going to sign up to them – they can fuck right off now.

317672 ▶▶ Leemc23, replying to p02099003, 7, #921 of 2163 🔗

I hope the below helps you out. I am not a member of Costco but this angers me so much that I wanted to help you out with a push back. By all means change what you don’t like. But please do use some of it if you can.

There email address is customer_care_escalations@costco.co.uk .

(Starts)
Dear Costco,

I have been made aware of your company decision to removal any exemptions on face coverings within your stores from 23/12. I believe your decision to be illegal and harmful.

Firstly, it is important to understand that under WHO guidance face shields offer NO protection in regards to viral spread, either as a preventative or as barrier to contamination. Specific within WHO Guidance “they are inferior to mask(s) with respect to prevention of droplet transmission. If face shields are to be used, ensure proper design to cover the sides of the face and below the chin”. I note you have not advised members of any specifics, nor have you empowered them with evidence that their risk is unlikely to be reduced through the measure you are insisting upon.

Secondly, your mandate is outside of UK law. The law provides important protection for vulnerable persons from compromising their health by wearing face coverings – this includes those who have a non-physical rationale for not wearing any restrictions across their face, for example victims of sexual attack would be adverse from wearing any facial covering, even clear shields across their face. I’d advise researching this topic in detail if you are unsure.

While I would hope I that your health and Safety advisers would be aware that the benefit from face coverings in a community setting is considered to be (very) low. This mandate does not give me full confidence that they do so.

Is the decision to implement additional risk controls in response to a highlighted reality that your stores present a significant risk? Risk Assessments need to be evidenced based so it is reasonable to ask that if you are feeling compelled to implement such measures as 100% mask compliance, that you have new and compelling evidence a risk of transmission in your stores. However, your website does not indicate this to be the case, why not?

Face coverings are only deemed of benefit when used with other control measures that may, reasonably, help to reduce viral load transmission. Principally Social Distancing, hand hygiene and self-quarantine of the sick are the primary risk control measures. Face Coverings, whether plastic shields or fabric etc simply add very little benefit, but absolutely no benefit as a stand-alone measure.

Therefore if your customers follow your other safety protocols, they are able to shop without risk and would have no need to compelled under your mandate to wear a face covering (including shields). So it find it rather surprising that your H&S advisers appear to be breaching UK law to insist on this method of viral control.

317673 ▶▶▶ Leemc23, replying to Leemc23, 10, #922 of 2163 🔗

Both your company wide, and store specific Risk Assessments should both show the benefit and harms from all your risk control methods. And Specifically to face coverings, in line with WHO guidance, there are many risks associated with face coverings in a community settings and these are as follows.;

Potential harms/disadvantages The likely disadvantages of the use of mask by healthy people in the general public include: • potential increased risk of self-contamination due to the manipulation of a face mask and subsequently touching eyes with contaminated hands; • potential self-contamination that can occur if nonmedical masks are not changed when wet or soiled. This can create favourable conditions for microorganism to amplify; • potential headache and/or breathing difficulties, depending on type of mask used; • potential development of facial skin lesions, irritant dermatitis or worsening acne, when used frequently for long hours; • difficulty with communicating clearly; • potential discomfort; • a false sense of security, leading to potentially lower adherence to other critical preventive measures such as physical distancing and hand hygiene; • poor compliance with mask wearing, in particular by young children; • waste management issues; improper mask disposal leading to increased litter in public places, risk of contamination to street cleaners and environment hazard; • difficulty communicating for deaf persons who rely on lip reading; • disadvantages for or difficulty wearing them, especially for children, developmentally challenged persons, those with mental illness, elderly persons with cognitive impairment, those with asthma or chronic respiratory or breathing problems, those who have had facial trauma or recent oral maxillofacial surgery, and those living in hot and humid environments.

I would welcome sight of your Risk Assessment to confirm that, at the very least, all the above have been considered as part of your rationale of imposing face shields on customers.

I am copying this email to the HSE so they are aware of this issue.

(Ends)

318331 ▶▶▶▶ Sodastream, replying to Leemc23, #923 of 2163 🔗

Excellent letter

318052 ▶▶▶ Cranmer, replying to Leemc23, #924 of 2163 🔗

Good letter. There’s also an exemption for face coverings for mentally disabled people who are unable to wear them. Also, one might have a physical injury, cancer etc on the face/head area that made it difficult or impossible to wear a face shield.

317747 ▶▶ smileymiley, replying to p02099003, 1, #925 of 2163 🔗

Just wrote to the CEO
Dear Sir,

I’ve just read that your company is requiring members who are exempt from wearing face coverings that they must wear a visor as of 23/12/2020.
This is against the law & is in breach of section 29 of the Equality Act 2010.

Please see below;

https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/face-coverings-when-to-wear-one-and-how-to-make-your-own/face-coverings-when-to-wear-one-and-how-to-make-your-own

I bring your attention to this section,
Face visors or shields
A face visor or shield may be worn in addition to a face covering but not instead of one. This is because face visors or shields do not adequately cover the nose and mouth.

I therefore say that your UK shops have no legal right to insist that a visor be worn by an exempt person.

I ask that you repeal this instruction to your UK stores forthwith before your company finds itself in a court of law trying to defend your actions.

Got this in reply

Thank you For the note .but we do have a responsibility to protect our employees and members. All the best.Craig

His email address is cjelinek@costco.com

317860 ▶▶▶ Leemc23, replying to smileymiley, #926 of 2163 🔗

Did my above email drat provide anything for you to go back on ?

317961 ▶▶▶ Matt The Cat, replying to smileymiley, #927 of 2163 🔗

I hope Craig eventually passes his English Language CSE.

317478 Jo Dominich, 13, #928 of 2163 🔗

Comrade Stalin Starmer in you tube saying we are in a serious emergency – all due to Wancock’s monster lie in the house and Stalin has fallen for it hook line and sinker. Yes we are in an emergency not due to a harmless variant but because the LIE has led to the virtual collapse of the Stock Exchange and Sterling not to mention Europe closing it’s borders to us. What is wrong with our politicians. Moral of the story for Johnson is STOP LISTENING TO UR LYING DECEITFUL INCOMPETENT SAGE SCIENTISTS GROW SOME AND PUT AN IMMEDIATE STOP THIS.

317479 common conservative, replying to common conservative, 86, #929 of 2163 🔗

Earlier today in so-called Tier 4 I bumped into a mate I hadn’t seen for a while. We shook hands (‘Fine them!’), had a manly hug (‘Arrest them!!’) and said we need to meet up for a drink (‘Cancel that – execute them!!!’) I said how about we get our families together on Christmas Eve and have a cheeky scotch (I had no idea whether or not he’d fallen for government propaganda, but my gut said he wasn’t going to adhere to the bastards’ arbitrary diktats). His face lit up: ‘Yes mate!’ So we openly mocked the power-crazed tyrants and made arrangements for Christmas Eve.

Today is a good day. I feel human again. It feels just like old times.

317487 ▶▶ Be Unshakeable, replying to common conservative, 24, #930 of 2163 🔗

Our humanity will be their downfall.

317498 ▶▶▶ DRW, replying to Be Unshakeable, 5, #931 of 2163 🔗

Nice to hear about this but I think it is a minority now.

317512 ▶▶▶▶ IanE, replying to DRW, 10, #932 of 2163 🔗

Quite so. I was doing my weekly shopping today: the place was much more packed than usual (well, not a surprise of course), but I did not see a single other unmasked human!

317713 ▶▶▶ Arnie, replying to Be Unshakeable, 9, #933 of 2163 🔗

Comment of the day for me. And sooo true!

Arnie.

318739 ▶▶▶ James Leary #KBF, replying to Be Unshakeable, 1, #934 of 2163 🔗

After we’ve done hanging the bastards.

317520 ▶▶ Mr Dee, replying to common conservative, 6, #935 of 2163 🔗

I have reported you to the Covid-Marshals. They’re busy at the moment, so expect the 3am knock in about 3 days time.

318414 ▶▶▶ PastImperfect, replying to Mr Dee, 1, #936 of 2163 🔗

Prepare a bucket of ice-water (for instance)

317594 ▶▶ Janette, replying to common conservative, 5, #937 of 2163 🔗

Great I am so glad to hear that.

318245 ▶▶ Ben, replying to common conservative, 7, #938 of 2163 🔗

Best thing I’ve read in ages. Lifted my spirits

Makes me realise the crime the Government, SAGE, the media (Kay Burley et al) have inflicted on us and what they’ve stolen from us – human connection

317488 Ben, replying to Ben, 33, #939 of 2163 🔗

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317493 ▶▶ PoshPanic, replying to Ben, 16, #940 of 2163 🔗

That’s horrific!

317503 ▶▶▶ Mr Dee, replying to PoshPanic, 18, #941 of 2163 🔗

The perfect Christmas gift for a virtue-signalling psychopath mom:

https://www.amazon.co.uk/Dream-Bridge-Protective-Detachable-Isolation/dp/B086X5KR9K/ref=sr_1_6

Read the reviews, if you can stomach it.

For example:

Needed a summer hat for my active toddler and this is the perfect hat for a summer pandemic.
Has a face shield visor that is Velcro detachable. It has a nice wide brim for all around sun protection and has a strap for little ones so the hat doesn’t blow off or they don’t yank it off. Though my little one is quite clever and figured out how to yank it off anyways.

Though the mum’s obviously a lost cause, there’s hope for the child.

317733 ▶▶▶▶ Yawnyaman, replying to Mr Dee, 2, #942 of 2163 🔗

Hard to fool a baby

317494 ▶▶ Dan Clarke, replying to Ben, 4, #943 of 2163 🔗

Tragic

317504 ▶▶ Thomas_E, replying to Ben, 5, #944 of 2163 🔗

Seen something similar just now at Borough Market..The New normal

317516 ▶▶ chaos, replying to Ben, 6, #945 of 2163 🔗

Yes. Extreme. Though our increasing obsession with cleanliness, of food, surfaces and covering kids with sun tan lotions is also hurting them. A little soil on our veggies adds to our microbiome.And sun tan lotions prevent the formation of vitamin d.

317522 ▶▶ awildgoose, replying to Ben, 2, #946 of 2163 🔗

In 20 years this kid will have earned the highest honors available to camp guards.

317530 ▶▶▶ Mr Dee, replying to awildgoose, 11, #947 of 2163 🔗

The unfortunate child will be dead in months of symptoms related to extreme hypoxia.

317558 ▶▶ James007, replying to Ben, 2, #948 of 2163 🔗

Is this for real?

317579 ▶▶ Silke David, replying to Ben, 6, #949 of 2163 🔗

Finally posted a critical comment on a YT couple who muzzle their foster children all under 6 and who have had no play dates or school since March.

317721 ▶▶ annie, replying to Ben, 3, #950 of 2163 🔗

Jesus Christ.
An invocation, not a blasphemy.

317489 Lms23, replying to Lms23, 9, #951 of 2163 🔗

“Robert West, a Professor of Health psychology at University College London’s Institute of Epidemiology and Health, who sits on the advisory group on behavioural science for SAGE”

Another behavioural psychologist, not a virologist, immunologist, biologist, epidemiologist…

Check out his Twitter feed.

He’s on the same political side as Susan Michie (Communist Party UK member) and George Monbiot (climate change activist), hates the government and publicly criticises it.

https://mobile.twitter.com/robertjwest?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5Eauthor

I wouldn’t call him a reliable and non-partisan advisor.

“Robert West Retweeted
Marcus Chown
@marcuschown
·
19 Dec
Never forget that in the countries that did things right, they are back to normal. Even in Wuhan they are down to essentially no Covid cases.

Meanwhile, in the UK, as Covid cases skyrocket and a third catastrophic lockdown appears inevitable…

You can thank this man (photo of Boris).”

He’s retreating someone who is praising the Chinese Communist Party, who, if the videos are to be believed, barricaded people into their own homes and left them there, some of them to starve. This is the model that Robert West appears to favour, and he’s advising the government.

317500 ▶▶ Dan Clarke, replying to Lms23, 3, #952 of 2163 🔗

All crawling out of the woodwork

317505 ▶▶ Mark, replying to Lms23, 11, #953 of 2163 🔗

It is quite remarkable just how many rank authoritarian lefty and pc fanatic types (old commies and virtue signalling social climbers, basically) seem to have been allowed to infest SAGE. That seems to be down to Whitty and Vallance who, as I understand the situation, are responsible by virtue of their offices for choosing the contributors to SAGE.

317562 ▶▶▶ RickH, replying to Mark, 1, #954 of 2163 🔗

Still seeing only what you want to see through your broken left/right spectacles?

In this country, this is predominantly a right wing coup initiative with support across the political spectrum.

317622 ▶▶▶▶ Mark, replying to RickH, 8, #955 of 2163 🔗

Well it’s pretty clear who has the “broken left/right spectacles” here, given that just about every institution and figurehead of the left, from Blairites to Corbyn and Corbynites, academia, and media elites, has come out as fanatical pro-lockdown panickers and indeed it was largely their hysterical screams about “putting money ahead of lives” and “herd immunity is eugenics” that drove this country off the Swedish-style path it was planning to follow in Feb/early March.

In reality of course, you have no realistic case. Your fantasy of a “right-wing” driven initiative has always been false, as a direct result of your false, dogmatically limited, old state socialist view of left/right as purely about economics and nominal control of resources. In reality, left/right is about far more than that – the economic issue you obsess about was resolved in the 1970s (your side was comprehensively defeated), and you just have never managed to move on from that defeat.

Your position requires us to believe that “right wing” includes the likes of Jeremy Corbyn, and “right-wingers” are people who desperately worship the NHS, refuse to protect the nation’s borders or curtail the ongoing radical experiment with the existence of the nation by mass immigration, believe in unlimited state spending from the magical money forest, and approve of draconian hate speech etc laws to suppress dissent from leftist minority-worshipping divide and rule indoctrination.

That’s your fantasy “right-wing” for you.

318323 ▶▶▶▶▶ PastImperfect, replying to Mark, #956 of 2163 🔗

Not sure how relevant actions are categorised.

people who desperately worship the NHS ( like clap for and save the NHS mantras ) refuse to protect the nation’s borders or curtail the ongoing radical experiment with the existence of the nation by mass immigration ” ( like those immigrants arriving in Kent, being taken to 4-star hotels and receiving £40 per week spending money? ) believe in unlimited state spending from the magical money forest ( like Rickey Sunak’s profligacy? ) and approve of draconian hate speech etc laws to suppress dissent ( like those that have recently been used, with the aid of 77th brigade, to attack criticisms and
stifle debate on scientific matters that counter the government’s covid narrative)

317844 ▶▶▶▶ Kevin 2, replying to RickH, 1, #957 of 2163 🔗

The globalists in the West are apolitical in the traditional left/right sense.
They are all just crooks.
Big Pharma, Big Tech, Social media giants, Hedge funds, Soros etc etc are all profiting immensely and have unfettered and / or monopolistic market access. Reuters, Bloomberg are right in their, as of course are Blackrock, Goldman Sachs, JP Morgan etc etc.

Having said that, clearly China has an active all-encompassing global agenda and has joint effective control of the WHO along with Bill Gates.
Control WHO and you control global ‘health’.
Gates realised this 20 years ago.

It’ a confluence of disparate interests in operation right now.

317556 ▶▶ RickH, replying to Lms23, 1, #958 of 2163 🔗

the advisory group on behavioural science for SAGE”

That’s not SAGE per se – it’s the SPI-B sub-group.

317625 ▶▶ mhcp, replying to Lms23, 2, #959 of 2163 🔗

And they did this to set the tone for the world. Other parts of China were less strict. The CCP set up panic scenes so when Dickhead Cummings, freshly breathing his own farts, saw Italy he was caught in the ruse. Oh my God.

There has never been a control group in the UK so they aren’t following any science. There are a few controls around the world all of which, even Brazil, show this thing is far from catastrophe. The better off countries should have fared way better holistically if left just to get on with it.

But no. We needed decisive “scientific” action.

318408 ▶▶▶ PastImperfect, replying to mhcp, #960 of 2163 🔗

“We needed decisive “scientific” action.”

So HCQ and other early-intervention treatments were denied by the malicious government and three or four times as many people as needed to ended up in ICU unnecessarily.

(Just another silly mistake.)

317495 kf99, replying to kf99, 4, #961 of 2163 🔗

BBC: 80k Excess deaths .

I love this “analysis”: This total is larger than that recorded in the daily figures because it includes people whose Covid-19 was not confirmed by a positive test and people who died because of the strain the pandemic has put on the NHS and society.

So no mention of lockdown or how much is normal random variation. John Lee on talkradio today mentioned that the 5 year average is pretty meaningless, we need to go over a longer period.

317514 ▶▶ skybluesam, replying to kf99, 24, #962 of 2163 🔗

people who died because of the strain the pandemic has put on the NHS and society.”

So disingenuous. The “pandemic” hasn’t put any strain on me. The government’s response, on the other hand, has made my life unbearable

317554 ▶▶ Steve Martindale, replying to kf99, 5, #963 of 2163 🔗

Yet another hallmark of this hoo-haa, statistics presented in isolation with no context or comparison. Of these 80k a quick rough check indicates that over 50k of them were in the April/May period and we all know what happened then. Again very rough maths, that leaves around 30k excess deaths if one discounts the April/May figures, this would be 5% excess over the 5 year average which would not be a shockingly unlikely rise for a country like the UK with a rapidly aging population.
It would also be useful to know how these excess death figures pan out in terms of age of death?
But even so I would argue that it was only the deaths situation in April/May that in any way gave any justification for the loss of human and civil rights and freedoms that we have suffered all year. From June onwards the health and death situation has in no way justified the loss of rights and freedoms that have been unjustly imposed on us.

317662 ▶▶ Leemc23, replying to kf99, 4, #964 of 2163 🔗

Covid 19 has been across two seasons. Flu is usually recorded as one. In one flu season we recently had 50,000 excess deaths. Context. It’s all in the context.

317501 Ewan Duffy, replying to Ewan Duffy, 13, #965 of 2163 🔗

https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/coronavirus-restrictions-ireland-taoiseach-announces-return-to-level-5-from-christmas-eve-39891319.html

Ireland back into Lockdown from Christmas Eve. The rat from Cork spinning the lie that lockdowns save lives.

317549 ▶▶ godowneasy, replying to Ewan Duffy, 5, #966 of 2163 🔗

Summary of Mehole Martin’s address to the nation:
Virus spread, unsustainable, worried, vulnerable, heavy price, heavy heart, saving lives, level 5 plus / minus from xmas eve, fuck the hotels and restaurants, fuck the UK mutants, very worried, fuck the Church, don’t die, get married on your own, 1 household only, challenges, vigilant, concerned, she’s gonna blow, thank you, light at end of tunnel (vaccines), merry xmas.

317677 ▶▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to godowneasy, #967 of 2163 🔗

Unprecedented, Granny, normal, let it rip, great job so far, sacrifices, financial support, The Science, All Island Approach, Zero Covid, testing

317583 ▶▶ kf99, replying to Ewan Duffy, 1, #968 of 2163 🔗

At what point do they break their beloved Good Friday agreement e.g. if NI was not in Lockdown and they went for Sturgeon style border closures?

317618 ▶▶▶ Ewan Duffy, replying to kf99, 2, #969 of 2163 🔗

If this was genuinely about health, the NI border would be closed. That it is open says everything you need to know.

317718 ▶▶ annie, replying to Ewan Duffy, 1, #970 of 2163 🔗

Welcome to the club.

317506 PhilipF, replying to PhilipF, 30, #971 of 2163 🔗

Regent Street. Just now. 3 days before Christmas. A great city being destroyed deliberately.

317513 ▶▶ Ben, replying to PhilipF, 22, #972 of 2163 🔗

And it’s happening around the world. Is it the World Economic Forum’s ‘Great Reset’ or something else?

I refuse to accept this is ‘incompetence’

317528 ▶▶▶ George L, replying to Ben, 24, #973 of 2163 🔗

Its not incompetence Ben.. its pure unadulterated planned malice..

317534 ▶▶▶ Crystal Decanter, replying to Ben, 5, #974 of 2163 🔗

It’s is opportunism
garnished with a slice of blackmail for all the yew tree enthusiasts in various Parliaments

317517 ▶▶ Thomas_E, replying to PhilipF, 12, #975 of 2163 🔗

It’s been destroyed since April..All the little cafes -gone, little corner shops -gone, even most branches of BigHig street companies -gone, theather -closed , museums -closed, tailors for fuck sake -closed.. The City and London is a shell of it’s former self and It will never recover. The place now feel like Sophia circa 1999 ( I know,I was there)

317581 ▶▶▶ Jakehadlee, replying to Thomas_E, 4, #976 of 2163 🔗

I was there in ‘96. I can vouch for that

318020 ▶▶▶ Cranmer, replying to Thomas_E, 2, #977 of 2163 🔗

I assume you mean Sofia, Bulgaria? If so I was just thinking that last time I was in London – it’s now more like a small central/eastern European capital around 1990, in terms of the numbers of people around and the general depressed mood of the place.

317539 ▶▶ Dan Clarke, replying to PhilipF, 4, #978 of 2163 🔗

Hard to believe Parliament would sit back while it happened

317519 chaos, replying to chaos, 1, #979 of 2163 🔗

https://petition.parliament.uk/petitions/564421
whatsapp.. facebook.. youtube.. share share share

317538 ▶▶ Mr Dee, replying to chaos, 3, #980 of 2163 🔗

Sent, shared. signed.

In return, please spare 79p to push that Kunts song up the i-Tunes charts to number 1.

317560 ▶▶▶ Foxglove, replying to Mr Dee, 1, #981 of 2163 🔗

Just purchased, it’s quite catchy

317571 ▶▶▶▶ Crystal Decanter, replying to Foxglove, 1, #982 of 2163 🔗

Kunt’s social media is getting yeeted as we speak – as per his Fecalbook

317532 cerati, replying to cerati, 6, #983 of 2163 🔗

How many times do these ‘experts’ have to get their wild predictions of death and the overwhelming of the NHS wrong, before the zombies start to twig there’s something wrong. When someone tells them for the thousandth time that they’re going to die if they try to live, does it still cause them the same visceral fear as the first time?

Will they ever wake up, or are they too far gone now?

I just can’t understand them at all.

317540 ▶▶ RickH, replying to cerati, 3, #984 of 2163 🔗

You underestimate the power of Fear propaganda – it doesn’t work at the level of rationality.

317564 ▶▶ Charlie Blue, replying to cerati, 2, #985 of 2163 🔗

Too far gone. They believe that the actions of the experts have saved them from the predictions coming true.

317823 ▶▶▶ Sarigan, replying to Charlie Blue, #986 of 2163 🔗

Therein lies the rub.

317656 ▶▶ Aslangeo, replying to cerati, 1, #987 of 2163 🔗

Agree with Rick below- cult members are not persuaded by facts or data
examples include doomsday cults such as the Millerites – https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Disappointment

when the apocalypse does not come they either double down on their beliefs or alternatively feel that their prayers and sacrifices have averted the monster

Hence the next time doom is predicted there will be more intense prayers and sacrifice

Reasoning with these people is very challenging

317533 Tony Rattray, replying to Tony Rattray, 9, #988 of 2163 🔗

I posted the below yesterday and here is the bbc summary of the year!

Covid-19: UK sees over 80,000 excess deaths during pandemic – BBC News

No proper context, probing or independent analysis – I am paying (tv licence) chimps to feed me peanuts!

A COVID CAROL – EXCESS DEATHS
Just to confirm for those that remain sound of mind today, excess deaths by location still point to blanket lockdowns being the greatest cock-up policy of the century! And that’s before the next 1-3 years of huge lockdown collateral damage through unemployment, etc.
Excess mortality in England, week ending 04 December 2020 (phe.org.uk)

  • Care homes with excess deaths of 23,000 (31%)
  • Hospitals with excess deaths of “only” 13,000 (9%). Covid clearly REPLACING the usual killers this year.
  • Homes with excess deaths of 29,000 (35%), with 90% non-covid related. So, although more research is required, a strong possibility that the full lockdown policy actually caused these deaths – missed treatment, etc. In other words, excluding care homes, non-covid related excess deaths at home where far greater than overall excess deaths in hospital this year.

So, two simple xmas / new year questions to ask those individuals who still support full lockdowns including boris et al:

  • Did the blanket lockdown policy this year succeed in protecting the most vulnerable?
  • Which was the greater number this year – (a) overall excess deaths in hospital or (b) non-covid related excess deaths at home?

Rational conclusion – public health “experts” now need to carry a health warning like cigarettes.

317575 ▶▶ Johnb, replying to Tony Rattray, 2, #989 of 2163 🔗

Can that tv licence, Tony. You know it makes sense.

317535 PhilipF, replying to PhilipF, 30, #990 of 2163 🔗

I watched Only Connect last night. At the start Victoria Coren gave some little homily about the need for us all to wear masks. What gives her the right to grandstand on a quiz programme? Imagine the fuss if she had said something against face nappies… So, that another person I have to hate forever.

After that I watched Upstart Crow, which contained a large amount of pro-lockdown/new normal virtue signalling. So, that’s Coren’s husband and Ben Elton on the list too. It’s exhausting. I really would rather love my fellow man, but their stupidity and complicity in the madness make that impossible.

317546 ▶▶ Edward, replying to PhilipF, 6, #991 of 2163 🔗

As when Clare Teal played a pro-masking propaganda song on her Radio 2 show a while ago. I haven’t listened to it since.

317557 ▶▶ Fingerache Philip., replying to PhilipF, #992 of 2163 🔗

I agree with you about U C but it was saved by being (after the first few minutes) very,very funny.

317585 ▶▶▶ Banjones, replying to Fingerache Philip., 6, #993 of 2163 🔗

It was – and I got the impression that it was poking fun rather than promoting ‘virtue-signalling’.

317592 ▶▶▶▶ Fingerache Philip., replying to Banjones, #994 of 2163 🔗

Snap.

317964 ▶▶▶▶ Dodderydude, replying to Banjones, 2, #995 of 2163 🔗

Yes, she went on to make an aside about some imagery of living in a totalitarian state and added “Of course it would never happen here” whilst giving a knowing look to the camera.

317584 ▶▶ chaos, replying to PhilipF, 4, #996 of 2163 🔗

It reveals what they have always thought. That other people are dirty. It’s why they also buy into climate change. Other people are wasteful. Others. Not them.

317536 Suitejb, replying to Suitejb, 23, #997 of 2163 🔗

Ah, all’s well in the shires! Had the local hunt pass this morning, good turnout, smart riders, cheerful greetings and friendly waves. Not a mask in sight!
Whatever your feelings are about hunting it was so good to see life going on as it always has done.

317694 ▶▶ annie, replying to Suitejb, 1, #998 of 2163 🔗

Not even a fox’s mask?

317545 Fingerache Philip., replying to Fingerache Philip., 9, #999 of 2163 🔗

Have yourself a very merry little Christmas says the “Bozzer”.
Having just “fought” though Sainsburys in Kidderminster, it looks like (hopefully) that the great “unwashed” are thinking: ” F××k that for a game of soldiers”.

317648 ▶▶ davews, replying to Fingerache Philip., 1, #1000 of 2163 🔗

Almost rhymes with ‘have yourself a very miserable Christmas’…

317550 Ben, replying to Ben, 7, #1001 of 2163 🔗

In a cashless society autonomy is replaced with dependency.

Cash is king

https://twitter.com/NeilClark66/status/1341378184516874241?s=20

317570 ▶▶ Dan Clarke, replying to Ben, 4, #1002 of 2163 🔗

They can also make money from all transactions, which they will

317572 ▶▶ Be Unshakeable, replying to Ben, 2, #1003 of 2163 🔗

Yup. Ask the people you know what they think about going cashless. I know you’ll be dissappointed. I was.

317596 ▶▶▶ Ben, replying to Be Unshakeable, 5, #1004 of 2163 🔗

Until something happens and their card is declined. Then they’ll get a shock

317644 ▶▶▶▶ Mr Dee, replying to Ben, 2, #1005 of 2163 🔗

As happened to me in the summer, when the local National Trust coffee shop refused to accept my tenner, and my card wouldn’t work.

317826 ▶▶▶▶ Stringfellow Hawke, replying to Ben, 1, #1006 of 2163 🔗

Happened to a relative of mine last year – trying to buy a small piece of furniture (bedside cabinet, or whatever) from a large retailer: card declined. Got on phone to the bank, after quite a substantial time on the phone, bank operator said they declined it because, “it is a common purchase of criminal elements”. Anyway sorted it out, the bank removed the block, relative goes to pay: declined again. Obviously they didn’t remove the block. Long story short, took about 1 1/2 hours all in all, for the numpty on the other end to unblock the card properly, & complete the purchase.

318317 ▶▶▶▶▶ Ben, replying to Stringfellow Hawke, #1007 of 2163 🔗

Cash is king

317614 ▶▶▶ HelzBelz, replying to Be Unshakeable, 2, #1008 of 2163 🔗

They think it’s great don’t they! SO convenient…

317832 ▶▶▶▶ Stringfellow Hawke, replying to HelzBelz, #1009 of 2163 🔗

Boss of one of the big banks (might have been Bank for international settlements, Bis. not sure though) admitted the point is complete control, & that they absolutely have the technology to do so – you want to buy alcohol? ah that’s bad for you. switch off. want to buy meat? want to buy a train ticket? ah you’re a planet killer. switch off….!

317655 ▶▶ Old Trout, replying to Ben, 12, #1010 of 2163 🔗

I didn’t actually use cash much before this, but being a contrary bugger I have started using it as much as possible now. Also worth it to see the faces of the sheeple shop assistants who are frightened to touch it! Small pleasures now! Suggest we all go back to using it as much as we can.

317738 ▶▶▶ thinkaboutit, replying to Old Trout, 1, #1011 of 2163 🔗

Gave the waitrose delivery guy a paper money tip. He was delighted. No qualms at all about handling cash.

318320 ▶▶▶ Ben, replying to Old Trout, #1012 of 2163 🔗

I’ve been handling cash all my life – never a sniffle

318456 ▶▶▶ DomW, replying to Old Trout, #1013 of 2163 🔗

I’ve been almost exclusively using cash when out and about for several months now.

317563 Andrew K, 2, #1014 of 2163 🔗

Interesting podcast on protecting your wealth. However more intersting the comments that they feel they’re broadcasting behind enemy lines and the censorship goin on. worth a listen.

https://operation-freedom-shows.s3.amazonaws.com/DEC20_2020/BillHolter122020.mp3

317566 Liam, replying to Liam, 50, #1015 of 2163 🔗

I go out and about so infrequently now that taking the car for its MoT yesterday felt like an adventure. Backstreet garage run by a Sikh man I know. No fuss whatsoever about masks. Told me he was running a bit behind time and it would take an hour or so. Went for a walk down the nearby main road in a heavily immigrant area. Lots of small food shops and barbers, not much mask wearing going on. Got a cup of tea and a pasty in a Gregg’s, again, no fuss about masks. Went back to the garage and the guy made me a cup of tea while I waited in the office. Took payment in cash.

Car failed on two worn tyres. Went to get them replaced and again, no fuss at all about masks, didn’t see anyone wearing them at any of the small industrial units on the estate. Snack van with unmasked owner doing a roaring trade with queue of customers chatting away at close quarters. Paid cash again, just felt like a normal day for a short while.

317582 ▶▶ Janette, replying to Liam, 8, #1016 of 2163 🔗

Thats good to hear.

317597 ▶▶ Sue, replying to Liam, 37, #1017 of 2163 🔗

yes the ‘real’ workers are not fussing around with the virus nonsense – it’s the namby pamby middle class, work at home idiots who are doing all the fearmongering/distancing.

317717 ▶▶▶ Awkward Git, replying to Sue, 8, #1018 of 2163 🔗

I’ll go along with that from personal experience.

317663 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to Liam, 10, #1019 of 2163 🔗

Send this summary to your email. Read it again in 5 years. Hopefully that Sikh gentleman is still going strong and masks are just another legacy of human waste

317668 ▶▶▶ Fingerache Philip., replying to BeBopRockSteady, 7, #1020 of 2163 🔗

And don’t forget, BBRS,that the ethnic minorities are “supposed” to be more “at risk” than the rest of us.

317908 ▶▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Fingerache Philip., 6, #1021 of 2163 🔗

More at risk of displaying common sense!

317691 ▶▶▶ annie, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 5, #1022 of 2163 🔗

Face knickers are worn by human waste.

317692 ▶▶ annie, replying to Liam, 5, #1023 of 2163 🔗

Sikh and ye shall find!
Good to hear!

317784 ▶▶ arfurmo, replying to Liam, 4, #1024 of 2163 🔗

Post that in the Grauniad and the comments would be full of that is why the virus is spreading and all those shops should be shut and fined.

317568 Edward, replying to Edward, 8, #1025 of 2163 🔗

Just caught up with the lifestyle section of the Sunday Telegraph. No doubt it was written before Saturday’s clampdown, but it now looks totally ridiculous: about 20 short contributions from assorted famous people on the general theme “I’m optimistic about 2021 because…”. Even Allison Pearson seems to think that the “brainy scientists” have produced a wonderful vaccine which will soon get us back to normal. Her aspirations are good but her optimism is unfounded.

317902 ▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Edward, 2, #1026 of 2163 🔗

Reading the lifestyle section of the Telegraph usually requires the close proximity of a sickbucket.

317576 PWL, 6, #1027 of 2163 🔗

This border chaos horse manure just goes to show that the UK Government can rely on the “rules-based international [new world] order” for help with a psyop with which to convince old ladies to do as they are told over Christmas.

Prohibition And Covid-19; Part Four: An Historical Context; Social Engineering For Grabbing Power

317577 John Stitch non stop dancer, replying to John Stitch non stop dancer, 40, #1028 of 2163 🔗

I’ve decided to start working out again and dusting off my combat skills.Fine words dont butter parsnips.
I’m ready to fight I believe my generation is probably the last to give a shit about my country.Im 52 in good health and fucking angry.
I hope for a pandemic of targeted Violence for my xmas present.The next fucker who tells me what to do or think will regret those empty words.

317599 ▶▶ Fingerache Philip., replying to John Stitch non stop dancer, 18, #1029 of 2163 🔗

I’m 72, John and if I’m too old to fight, at least I can make petrol bombs.

317578 Tony Rattray, replying to Tony Rattray, 5, #1030 of 2163 🔗
317600 ▶▶ A Heretic, replying to Tony Rattray, 14, #1031 of 2163 🔗

Sure, let’s give more money to the organisation that fucked the country. Amazing how many economic geniuses are signing away.

317606 ▶▶▶ RickH, replying to A Heretic, 4, #1032 of 2163 🔗

let’s give more money to the organisation that fucked the country.”

What – subscribe to the Tory Party? 🙂

317580 Banjones, 5, #1033 of 2163 🔗
317588 Fingerache Philip., replying to Fingerache Philip., 5, #1034 of 2163 🔗

I wonder if there was a lockdown version of A Christmas Carol if Tiny Tim would have to wear a face nappy and Scrooge would have to social distance from the 3 spirits?
You can bet some “socially aware” producers and directors have already thought about it.

317640 ▶▶ Salopian, replying to Fingerache Philip., 5, #1035 of 2163 🔗

New BBC version Scrooge is the real hero out to save the NHS.
Bob Cratchet and Tiny Tim are Covid idiots who deserve to be truncheoned to death by the Covid Beadle for rule breaking

317666 ▶▶▶ Fingerache Philip., replying to Salopian, 4, #1036 of 2163 🔗

Did Marley die of Covid?

317686 ▶▶▶▶ annie, replying to Fingerache Philip., 3, #1037 of 2163 🔗

Dead as a coronadoornail..

317715 ▶▶▶▶▶ Fingerache Philip., replying to annie, 3, #1038 of 2163 🔗

I’ve said it before, Annie; you really should take up writing comedy scripts.
There is enough material here to last for years and years.
Carry on Covid, distancing, washing your hands,etc.
PS: Carry on up the testing centre?

317589 Ben, replying to Ben, 18, #1039 of 2163 🔗

Every single trades union is pathetic. They have swallowed the ‘pandemic’ narrative hook line and sinker. They even sell their own branded face masks

At a future time, will unions represent their members whose health has been damaged by the prolonged wearing of face masks?

317610 ▶▶ leggy, replying to Ben, 5, #1040 of 2163 🔗

The unions are signed up. They no longer represent the working class.

https://www.buildbackbetter.org.uk/

317617 ▶▶ Yawnyaman, replying to Ben, 6, #1041 of 2163 🔗

As a branch activist, I have been keen to present the health dangers and when presented this way national leadership did not push back against me.

318190 ▶▶▶ MiriamW-sometimes-AlanG, replying to Yawnyaman, #1042 of 2163 🔗

Yes, my regular emails from the RMT union are full of Great Reset buzz-words. Today’s was all about the Government’s promised Green Recovery from Covid. One last week even bleated ‘Boris promised us a Great Reset’. I am not making this up. These numpties think that there will be a golden age of public transport after we achieve Zero Covid. I do hope they will enjoy the reality! MW

317633 ▶▶ Janice21, replying to Ben, 7, #1043 of 2163 🔗

My friends aunt is a care worker and a couple of weeks ago developed pleurisy from constant mask wearing.

317658 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to Ben, 5, #1044 of 2163 🔗

They really have been awful. The very thing they promote will destroy any power the working class ever had.

317779 ▶▶ arfurmo, replying to Ben, 3, #1045 of 2163 🔗

Dunno who represetns the hospitality industry though I’d guess a lot is non unionised but I don’t hear any crys for the right to work. The Union movement seems obsessed with the “stay safe” doctrine.

317794 ▶▶ Aslangeo, replying to Ben, 2, #1046 of 2163 🔗

Most trade Union members these days are public sector or quasi public sector employees. Only about 1/4 of Uk employees are members. Less than 10% of private sector employees are members

I am not surprised about their attitudes to Covid and the response to it at all

317602 Be Unshakeable, 9, #1047 of 2163 🔗

“The best and most convincing disguise for fear is virtue itself, or godliness. Then it never looks like fear. For fear to survive, it must look like reason, prudence, common-sense, intelligence, the need for social order, morality, religion, obedience, justice or even spirituality. It always works. What better way to veil vengeance than to call it justice? What better way to cover greed than to call it responsible stewardship? Only people who have moved beyond ego and controlling of all outcomes, only those practiced at letting go, see fear for the impostor that it is. To be trapped inside of your small ego is always to be afraid.”

John Feister, Hope Against Darkness: The Transforming Vision of Saint Francis in an Age of Anxiety

317603 Achilles, replying to Achilles, 6, #1048 of 2163 🔗

The world is spiralling downwards of it’s own volition. Only us here and the oligarchs seem aware of it. We here don’t have the power to stop it. The people who do have the power are either mentally incapacitated by a situation they don’t know how to deal with or are people who will benefit from it.

317607 ▶▶ Ewan Duffy, replying to Achilles, 11, #1049 of 2163 🔗

Careful now – JohnP will be along to tell you that the oligarchs aren’t the government!

317634 ▶▶▶ Achilles, replying to Ewan Duffy, 2, #1050 of 2163 🔗

Ha, well I think it’s vague enough. I don’t think anyone can dispute that non governmental organisations and people can still have a huge influence on political decision-making.

317687 ▶▶▶▶ Bugle, replying to Achilles, 1, #1051 of 2163 🔗

Soros broke the B of E. I rest my case, M’lud.

317848 ▶▶▶▶▶ jb12, replying to Bugle, 2, #1052 of 2163 🔗

Yes, and now all the Guardian readers think he’s just the greatest, most giving guy around
..after Bill Gates!

317639 ▶▶ DRW, replying to Achilles, 5, #1053 of 2163 🔗

It’s like Germany 1933, it may already be too late.

317652 ▶▶ Darryl, replying to Cheezilla, 3, #1055 of 2163 🔗

If that doesn’t prove it is not simply about a virus I don’t know what will convince people. Shocking what the criminals in power get away with, basically they are supporting military spending to clamp down on any dissent and regime change in the few countries not under US control.

317657 ▶▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to Darryl, 3, #1056 of 2163 🔗

Foreign Aid is a washing machine dressed up as humanitarianism

317671 ▶▶▶▶ Darryl, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 2, #1057 of 2163 🔗

Can’t believe people still have any faith that Trump is a good guy after reading this list of terror and crony capitalism.

Money for tyrannical regimes to purchase the latest surveillance and military technology to use against their own populations is a worry as is the war on what remains of free speech. $5 billion for GAVI suggests we will be like pin cushions in the future with the amount of vaccines they will mandate.

317612 PoshPanic, replying to PoshPanic, 5, #1058 of 2163 🔗

Inspired by the Saturday Night shenanigans, had a go at an X Factor parody. Just uploaded and now have a dry cough, from trying to do the voice 😆

Not sure the embed code will work nah it doesn’t!..will make a download version available too..

https://youtu.be/bDz4FOmwctE

317615 ▶▶ PoshPanic, replying to PoshPanic, 7, #1059 of 2163 🔗

And a poster to go with

317688 ▶▶ Hieronimusb, replying to PoshPanic, 1, #1060 of 2163 🔗

Good job ).

317834 ▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to PoshPanic, 1, #1061 of 2163 🔗

Awesome!!

317616 Moomin, replying to Moomin, 26, #1062 of 2163 🔗

I went to ilkley this morning to pick up our turkey from MandS. What kind of world are we living in where I’m getting anxious about not wearing a mask to a shop?! Anyway, there were so many people wearing masks outside it was nuts, same in keighley, loads more wearing them outside than even last week. It freaks me out so much, don’t know how much more I can take. I’ve been praying for someone to really expose what’s going on so that it’s irrefutably proven to be way out of proportion. Gosh, even my pastors believe that the government has good intentions, what hope is there (apart from Jesus)?!

317624 ▶▶ Dan Clarke, replying to Moomin, 6, #1063 of 2163 🔗

Jolly Johnson has always convinced everyone he is a happy benign soul, they can’t believe he would do anything to hurt them

317646 ▶▶▶ DRW, replying to Dan Clarke, 2, #1064 of 2163 🔗

Same with western governments.

317626 ▶▶ Achilles, replying to Moomin, 11, #1065 of 2163 🔗

So once gain the propaganda of the new variant did it’s trick. With a complicit media it’s like shooting fish in a barrel for Boris and Matt.

317689 ▶▶▶ RickH, replying to Achilles, 11, #1066 of 2163 🔗

With a complicit media …”

I think that may be more of a problem than the government itself. The wholesale capture of the media gives them a free run.

Just as a quick example : Who heard anything today about all-cause mortality dropping for the fourth week in a row?

317705 ▶▶▶▶ Achilles, replying to RickH, 5, #1067 of 2163 🔗

A free press is one of the essential safeguards of democracy. But what good is a free press if they all peddle the same tune, social media censors alternative viewpoints and the state broadcaster is either unable to or refuses to challenge government health policy? Without those checks we’re relying on the intelligence and good will of the government…and we wonder why we’re f*cked.

317807 ▶▶▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Achilles, #1068 of 2163 🔗

Free press?
!!

317628 ▶▶ Janice21, replying to Moomin, 13, #1069 of 2163 🔗

Lately I have been a little anxious about going into places without a mask.
Yes I am seeing a lot more people outside wearing masks too. What the fuck is that about. Even young children.

317665 ▶▶▶ Hieronimusb, replying to Janice21, 13, #1070 of 2163 🔗

It’s about fear and compliance.

317678 ▶▶▶▶ Be Unshakeable, replying to Hieronimusb, 4, #1071 of 2163 🔗

Exactly that, isn’t it. Understanding the psychology of it is essential to staying sane.

317709 ▶▶▶ Moomin, replying to Janice21, 6, #1072 of 2163 🔗

Me too! When I find myself praying before I go into a shop without a mask I say to myself that something is seriously amiss!

317819 ▶▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Moomin, 2, #1073 of 2163 🔗

I just walk in. I don’t think anything about it. Never been challenged.
Mind you I don’t shop in the town centre – it was a depressing dump before lockdown struck and I haven’t shopped there for many years. Mask mania might be rampant there of course.
The locals seem to be 90% sane.

317974 ▶▶▶▶ vargas99, replying to Moomin, 1, #1074 of 2163 🔗

I don’t really think about it anymore. Just keep your head up, eyes straight ahead and smile politely at people. You can see their brains working trying to grasp why their natural instinct says this is normal but for some reason they can’t bring themselves to be human as well.

318129 ▶▶▶▶▶ Alice, replying to vargas99, 1, #1075 of 2163 🔗

I do the same – head up and a confident smile!

317810 ▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Janice21, #1076 of 2163 🔗

It shows the plan worked – probably better than expected.

317862 ▶▶▶ Silke David, replying to Janice21, 2, #1077 of 2163 🔗

I have been into my bank, Greggs and supermarket today without mask. No problem at all, no one glaring at me. I had the impression shop staff seem quite happy to see a face.
Waitrose had a long queue when I arrived, which moved very fast, and none when I came out. Inside I was the only person not muzzled apart from 3 cashiers. I obviously went to an unmasked cashier.
I have no qualms at all to be “free”, I think it cheers shop staff up actually, so think that way. you help make their life better, even for a few minutes.

317642 ▶▶ Be Unshakeable, replying to Moomin, 19, #1078 of 2163 🔗

Remain steadfast, beware your reactions to events outside of your control, build your inner citadel. Your hope must now come from within, without is lost to fortune.

Or as my father would say: “Don’t let the bastards get to you”.

317643 ▶▶ DRW, replying to Moomin, 1, #1079 of 2163 🔗

I have little, the majority have seemingly chosen their fate.

317683 ▶▶▶ annie, replying to DRW, 6, #1080 of 2163 🔗

Yes, BUT NOT YOURS.

317660 ▶▶ Hieronimusb, replying to Moomin, 17, #1081 of 2163 🔗

It’s important, no matter how difficult it sometimes is, not to feel threatened by others’ compliance with this nonsense; behaving normally is essential to maintaining sanity, let them get on with it as they see fit and don’t allow yourself to resent it, hostility is not the answer no matter the perceived provocation. Screening out the madness and keeping your equanimity if challenged is good for mental discipline and clarity of thought. You know what the facts are, don’t let the behaviour of others upset you. Zen is your friend.

317828 ▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Hieronimusb, #1082 of 2163 🔗

Well said!
Your immediate experience really is whatever you make of it. We can only control our own reaction to events.

317681 ▶▶ annie, replying to Moomin, 4, #1083 of 2163 🔗

Did my veggie shopping this morning among the knickered goons.
All the vegetables are on stalls in the open air, in front of the actual shop.

317697 ▶▶▶ Fingerache Philip., replying to annie, 2, #1084 of 2163 🔗

I would say here on the Shropshire/Worcestershire borders that it’s about 70% of people who wear F N’s outside.

317805 ▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Moomin, 1, #1085 of 2163 🔗

I’d have expected Ilkley to be full of bemuzzled virtue-signallers but thought Keighley would have shown a bit more grit.

317627 Richym99, replying to Richym99, 22, #1086 of 2163 🔗

Have just returned from a visit to one of Drakeford’s gulag food banks, formerly known as Morrisons. I expected it to be a dire experience, as it was during the last “firebreak” with sheets, barriers and boxes of booze everywhere to be negotiated thanks to his ban on supermarkets selling non essential items.

Imagine my surprise to discover a total lack of insanity reigned in the place. Not a single sheet or barrier to be seen. From talking to a supervisor, the other three “big four” stores have stopped selling non essential items but Morrison’s staff have not been told to do so y their managers.

Is this the start of a revolt by Wales store managers? Have Morrisons decided to stick two fingers up at Drakeford and say we are not playing your stupid mind games. After all, what can they really do, other than impose a fine which is easily covered by sales of those same non essential items. Of course, it remains to be seen if the others follow suit and abandon their plastic sheets once they realise that they are losing money to another store.

317630 ▶▶ Crystal Decanter, replying to Richym99, 3, #1087 of 2163 🔗

Incompetence – Asda’s was fully sheeted

317635 ▶▶ Mr Dee, replying to Richym99, 3, #1088 of 2163 🔗

Interesting. I’ll swap to Morrisons if Aldis and Sainsburies have gone full loony.

317696 ▶▶▶ Mr Dee, replying to Mr Dee, 2, #1089 of 2163 🔗

Although I’m lucky enough to be able to do my shopping in the province of New Freedonia (formerly Shropshire).

317864 ▶▶▶▶ Crystal Decanter, replying to Mr Dee, #1090 of 2163 🔗

Over the border
out of order
The Politburo in Cardiff Bay will be notified

317952 ▶▶▶▶▶ Mr Dee, replying to Crystal Decanter, #1091 of 2163 🔗

I go under the border. There’s an old mining tunnel connecting my village to the one on the English side of the River Ceiriog.

317650 ▶▶ Ovis, replying to Richym99, 1, #1092 of 2163 🔗

It would be good for something good to happen to Morrison’s. Manna from Heaven, a cure for warts and scrofula for those who enter the shop and buy something, springs of living water bursting forth from the walls (not strictly useful, especially in Wales). A sign.

317679 ▶▶▶ annie, replying to Ovis, 4, #1093 of 2163 🔗

Anything not totally Dungforded is a gain.

317763 ▶▶ George L, replying to Richym99, 2, #1094 of 2163 🔗

I think what really needs emphasising with Wales is the morbidity for the year.. No excess deaths whatsoever, in fact -4.7below normal. That above anything shows it up to be nothing to do with health and everything to do with politics..

317803 ▶▶▶ Mr Dee, replying to George L, 1, #1095 of 2163 🔗

But the Terrified do not listen. Tried it. No effect, purely because I’m not a BBC newscaster.

317867 ▶▶▶ Crystal Decanter, replying to George L, #1096 of 2163 🔗

The Valley Commando’s don’t do graphs
Just what they see on Wales Online
doomed

317637 chaos, replying to chaos, 4, #1097 of 2163 🔗

https://petition.parliament.uk/petitions/564421
whatsapp.. facebook.. youtube.. share

317706 ▶▶ Moomin, replying to chaos, 1, #1098 of 2163 🔗

Done, thanks for the heads up.

317641 Smelly Melly, replying to Smelly Melly, 37, #1099 of 2163 🔗

Don’t forget to have a minutes silence in memory of all the people you personally know who have died of C19. So that’s zero seconds for me.

317661 ▶▶ Yawnyaman, replying to Smelly Melly, 3, #1100 of 2163 🔗

One’s in the figures but she sadly died of cancer. Only in her 50s too. Her husband is an old mate of mine, thankfully he got the last week with her in a hospice, after she tested negative in the hospital where she had tested positive a week before..

317676 ▶▶ RickH, replying to Smelly Melly, 1, #1101 of 2163 🔗

Seconded.

317932 ▶▶ Dodderydude, replying to Smelly Melly, 2, #1102 of 2163 🔗

I don’t know anyone personally who has even been tested +ve (most of my acquaintances have never been tested) never mind died. I met a fellow dog walker yesterday and tried, tactfully, to impart a few truths. When I got onto the fact that viruses do not generally spread asymptomatically and this is recognised in the scientific community, I got the predictable response of “Were you trained in that sort of thing?” Difficult to tell, but I think he was being facetious. It annoys me when ‘they’ come out with this as it implies that no one can learn or use their own judgement about anything unless they have undertaken a study course themselves. By the same token how do they consider themselves competent to believe what the Govt scientists tell them? But I replied “well not to a high level, only what I recall from O level Biology”. I never did O level biology but it shut him up!

But he then went on to say that his neighbour had recently died “of covid”. I said with a straight face “Oh, and she wasn’t elderly and didn’t have anything wrong with her before?” “Well she was in her early eighties and she had suffered from lung problems for a long time”. This is what we are up against!

317647 Sue, 10, #1103 of 2163 🔗
317653 Achilles, replying to Achilles, 12, #1104 of 2163 🔗

I think I’m going to start playing my Christmas songs at half speed. You should try it. It really captures the mood of Christmas 2020.

317708 ▶▶ kf99, replying to Achilles, 1, #1105 of 2163 🔗

How about Blue Nile – Christmas
The christmas lights  / The money running out / The kid seem to cry all the time  / Take it easy

317664 Locked down and out, replying to Locked down and out, 16, #1106 of 2163 🔗

Is Sturgeon getting more batty and deranged by the moment? She is shutting down Scotland, but “ 1,045 patients are in hospital with a confirmed case (down 33), with 60 being treated in intensive care (up one).” WTF!
She even claimed that ICU patients were up, yeh like by the massive figure of one and there are only 60 in total north of the border.

317895 ▶▶ Old Normal, replying to Locked down and out, #1107 of 2163 🔗

That’s how it works. It’s spiralling out of control while the figures don’t match.

There was a Scotsman article today which said something like 0.3% of 44,000 students tested with LFT were positive. This included a confirmatory PCR test only for those who were initially positive.

Meanwhile, we’re told the overall positive rate in the community is closer to 5% with PCR tests.

I think most people could draw an obvious conclusion from these figures. Not the SG though it seems.

318782 ▶▶ Ben, replying to Locked down and out, #1108 of 2163 🔗

Cases

317675 Leemc23, 1, #1109 of 2163 🔗

For member p02099003

Posted something below in response to your message for you to use for Costco. Hope it’s helpful.

317682 p02099003, replying to p02099003, 6, #1110 of 2163 🔗

Dr. Sam Bailey has just uploaded a video on YouTube about excess mortality.

317720 ▶▶ calchas, replying to p02099003, 2, #1111 of 2163 🔗

That is really a very good video.

I would suggest that if you can only recommend one video to somebody you want to convince, then go for this one – it’s only 12 minutes but packed with information and very well presented.

318046 ▶▶▶ Banjones, replying to calchas, #1112 of 2163 🔗

Thanks. Am watching it now. I like how she gives us all the links and that they’re EU ones too so that even the permanently muzzled and terminally terrified should consider they might be worth looking at….. 12 mins of their time well spent.

But no. Of course they won’t. The BBC is their god. Sadly this is preaching to the converted. I’m sending it to my sceptical sis in law and hoping she can sneak it into the barking-mad Facebook silliies’ posts.

317742 ▶▶ leggy, replying to p02099003, #1113 of 2163 🔗

Any chance of a link please?

317775 ▶▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to calchas, 2, #1115 of 2163 🔗

Brilliant, thanks.
Here’s one of the comments:

Excellent again . Thank you doctor. My comment is this – There is NO health scare ! There is a pandemic or distortion, lies, propaganda and psychological assault. The greatest crime in human history is taking place in our countries . We are under attack.

317916 ▶▶▶▶▶ HoMojo, replying to Cheezilla, #1116 of 2163 🔗

That won’t stay up long. Anyone know how to download it without using dodgy software? Or is also being posted on BitChute etc?

317684 nickbowes, replying to nickbowes, 24, #1117 of 2163 🔗

When i see a photo of Regent St W1 empty a few days before Christmas – this for me will be the image i hold on to (where i worked happily for years in that very area), a time when the bars were bursting and the shops were full, Regent St lights, – Christmas in central London is normally the time when the British economy is in fifth gear making the lucre that would filter into our savings, future business ventures, pensions, tax ££ for the state. Next year is going to be a very bleak picture – where do the masked zombies think the money comes from ? Maybe it will hit them when the currency crashes and a loaf of bread costs a fiver.

317704 ▶▶ Darryl, replying to nickbowes, 10, #1118 of 2163 🔗

The money can just be created with a keystroke, America is just creating another $900 billion to bribe the population and start wars abroad. If the money is to control the population it is safe to assume the amount created will be endless. Agree, that once they print another few hundred billion it will start to become increasingly worthless. I am sure the wealthy elite will be well positioned to emerge stronger than ever.

317760 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to nickbowes, #1119 of 2163 🔗

Big brand clothes retailers are down 50% on sales this year.

317918 ▶▶ Gavroche, replying to nickbowes, 4, #1120 of 2163 🔗

It’s so sad, isn’t it? I’m a Londoner by birth. My first job, as a 17 year-old, was working in a stockroom under Selfridges in the run-up to Xmas. Later, I worked for media companies in central London. Some of my happiest memories are of the streets around the West End just before Xmas – pubs full of happy workers, the illuminations, the drunken but friendly last train or tube of the night, full of happily sozzled commuters and shoppers on the way home. The atmosphere would continue up to New Year, when I’d pop up West for the sales, or to see a show at the Royal Academy, or wander down to the South Bank to the NFT or the Royal Festival Hall. Great times! I used to love that time of year.

317685 Fingerache Philip., replying to Fingerache Philip., 33, #1121 of 2163 🔗

Covid found amongst people on the Antarctica base, and moronic leaders all over the world think that they can stop it spreading by standing 2 metres apart, wearing face nappies and locking people away.
PATHETIC!!!

317690 ▶▶ Mr Dee, replying to Fingerache Philip., 8, #1122 of 2163 🔗

If it’s a mutant version, is this strain similar to The Thing.

317700 ▶▶▶ Fingerache Philip., replying to Mr Dee, 9, #1123 of 2163 🔗

BLOODY good film, that.

317758 ▶▶▶▶ HaylingDave, replying to Fingerache Philip., 1, #1124 of 2163 🔗

The first one 🙂

317764 ▶▶▶▶ Mabel Cow, replying to Fingerache Philip., 4, #1125 of 2163 🔗

‘Twas indeed, one of my favourites. Predictably, the remake was a travesty.

317781 ▶▶▶▶▶ Crystal Decanter, replying to Mabel Cow, #1126 of 2163 🔗

I was thinking more of Lifeforce
The new mutant strain OMG
Infected hoards rampaging through London
(a film that could never be remade btw)

317698 ▶▶ Norman, replying to Fingerache Philip., 2, #1127 of 2163 🔗

Was there a quarantine period to ensure that people didn’t bring it there when they in effect changed shifts?

317702 ▶▶▶ Fingerache Philip., replying to Norman, #1128 of 2163 🔗

No idea, Norman.
It is in the “Metro”.

317711 ▶▶▶▶ Darryl, replying to Fingerache Philip., 6, #1129 of 2163 🔗

It’s probably the state propagandists thinking they are being clever again coming up with fake news. It certainly sounds like a made up story.

317722 ▶▶▶▶▶ Fingerache Philip., replying to Darryl, 2, #1130 of 2163 🔗

Very likely.

317872 ▶▶▶ Sue, replying to Norman, #1131 of 2163 🔗

you would have thought they’d have strict controls for the new staff going into the base for lots of reasons not least as i suspect over winter would be hard to extract them if serious illness. I thought they had to have their appendix removed and such like to reduce health issues (but i may have made that up 🙂
It is curious though how with the measures they carried out how the virus managed to hitch a ride to Antarctica. And they think a face nappy is going to stop the spread!!??

317712 ▶▶ annie, replying to Fingerache Philip., 4, #1132 of 2163 🔗

Let it snow…

317731 ▶▶ godowneasy, replying to Fingerache Philip., 11, #1133 of 2163 🔗

They should just open the windows and get that fresh breeze they are always on about.

317756 ▶▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to godowneasy, 2, #1134 of 2163 🔗

Or double face nappies?

317736 ▶▶ TheOriginalBlackPudding, replying to Fingerache Philip., 5, #1135 of 2163 🔗

“Ice Station Corona”, perhaps.

317719 theanalyst, replying to theanalyst, 17, #1136 of 2163 🔗

So, I’ve have been looking at where all the money is coming from for all these Health Journalists, because it disturbs me that the articles are always following the same narrative. They never go against it. I’ve never seen a single mainstream article which even hints that a PCR Result could ever be wrong. I have never seen a single mainstream article or report which challenges the myth of asymptomatic spread.

Why? Could it possibly be money?

Newspapers (Guardian Telegraph etc) and TV Companies (BBC, big time) receive literally millions from the Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation (Search BBC /Guardian/Telegraph) Check for yourself here if you are sceptical. The amounts are not small.

https://www.gatesfoundation.org/Search

On another level, there are more free dollars available for health journalism at please like this from the European Development Journalism Grants.

https://publishers.journalismgrants.org/news/2020/grants-of-up-to-120-000-now-available-for-newsroom-reporting-on-global-development

Paid for again by Bill Gates if you read carefully. It is just another channel for their funding of Health Journalism. They even state the terms “The project should deliver regular instalments that are thematically connected over a period of 12 months which are recognisable as a series. Applicants need to demonstrate that the projects benefit from their organisation’s full ownership and that the coverage has full editorial support during its entire run complete with the requisite “above the fold” placement and accompanying promotion.”

Health Reporting was very boring until 2020. No one used to care. There was no money in it so media had not invested in it. Journalists were few and far between. Now the industry is booming. I might be barking up the wrong tree here, but when I follow the money it is clearly pointing to so called ‘Health Journalists’ being used/funded in a very slick marketing operation for Big Pharma funded by none other than Bill Gates. Very clever but Bill does have a track record of demonstrating he is a good businessman. He is revolutionising the Pharmaceutical Industry. Because he cares? Just thought I’d put this out there for others to look at.

317728 ▶▶ calchas, replying to theanalyst, 9, #1137 of 2163 🔗

A journalist doesn’t have to be directly paid.

If you are a young journalist, who wants to get ahead, you will quickly learn from your own xperiences and those of your coleagues, what line of approach is welcomed by editors and what they don’t want to see.

Theredsoesn’t need to be any overt message. You simply see what gets published and what doesn’t.

317752 ▶▶▶ Tyneside Tigress, replying to calchas, 6, #1138 of 2163 🔗

This is also at the heart of academic funding too. You only put up for funding if you know what type of project will be attractive to the funding bodies – it will be pre-screened by your own institution prior to even being submitted. Hence, ‘97% of scientists agree’ in the the climate change bandwagon.

317745 ▶▶ Tyneside Tigress, replying to theanalyst, 2, #1139 of 2163 🔗

At its core, philanthropy, like charitable donation, is no more than one part of a firm’s or institution’s marketing mix.

317876 ▶▶ Chris Hume, replying to theanalyst, 4, #1140 of 2163 🔗

That’s not strictly true. Nick Triggle and Debra Cohen at the BBC have been very brave throughout and questioned the narrative in all sorts of areas, including PCR tests. The thing with PCR tests is that actually it doesn’t affect the argument much one way or the other. If they are accurate (they are not, but bear with me) then as we test everybody the IFR will dwindle further and will end up at less than 0.1%. If they use LFT’s the ‘case rate’ will drop, but the IFR will rise. Lockdowns are useless whichever way you present the data though as the population susceptible to death is tiny, and they are not out and about in pubs restaurants, theatres, football stadiums etc. They are generally found in hospitals, care homes or at a push, indoors 90% of the time.

317723 godowneasy, replying to godowneasy, 12, #1141 of 2163 🔗

BBC live feed
15:08
UK facing ‘very serious’ supply chain disruption Duncan Buchanan, director of policy at the Road Haulage Association, said he was “very disappointed” with how the government presented the levels of freight disruption on Monday evening, saying they were “seeking to minimise the nature of the problem”.
Prime Minister Boris Johnson told a briefing on Monday that the number of lorries waiting on the M20 had been reduced from 500 to 170, although Highways England later said there were 900 lorries parked on the M20 as of 18:00 GMT.
“This is a very different level of supply chain disruption, of the like we have probably never experienced,” he told MPs on the Business, Energy and Industrial Strategy committee.
“Many of the retailers are saying… we will be fine until Christmas at least, but we must recover very fast to keep the shops fully stocked after Christmas. It’s a big worry.”

——————————————————————————————————
If the UK Gov can’t even count the number of trucks on a road, how can they be believed on the rona stats?

317737 ▶▶ Hieronimusb, replying to godowneasy, 8, #1142 of 2163 🔗

I assume the question is rhetorical. If the information comes via the British Bedwetters’ Collective you can be sure it has been amorously massaged, you know how they love a happy ending.

317726 Thomas_E, replying to Thomas_E, 6, #1143 of 2163 🔗

Does anyone have the link to the Freedom hubs or whatever they are called. I want to connect to so LS people in my area ( if they are any ) as I’m slowly going insane.

Thanks

317730 ▶▶▶ Thomas_E, replying to Mabel Cow, 1, #1145 of 2163 🔗

Thank you

317741 ▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Thomas_E, 2, #1146 of 2163 🔗

Good plan!

See also Telegram’s Protest Everywhere local groups section.

There’s a meet local sceptics section here too:
https://lockdownsceptics.org/forums/

317748 ▶▶▶ calchas, replying to Cheezilla, 1, #1147 of 2163 🔗

Excellent.

This is the way to go.

317921 ▶▶ HelzBelz, replying to Thomas_E, #1148 of 2163 🔗

The Freedom Network https://www.thefreedomnetwork.co.uk
I am thinking I need to do the same. Nobody to talk to out of all my friends / family and feeling very alone.

318653 ▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to HelzBelz, #1149 of 2163 🔗

What a surprise. Won’t your chums at 77th talk to you?

317732 DRW, replying to DRW, 12, #1150 of 2163 🔗

Heading away tomorrow for a break over Christmas. I should be looking forward to it but the thought of more interaction with this worsening dystopia honestly makes me sick. I’m just done with everything, it’s honestly not worth living anymore except as tiny resistance.

Next Christmas this will either be a bad memory or relatively good one. I suspect which is the more likelier outcome.

317740 ▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to DRW, 9, #1151 of 2163 🔗

The ocean is made up of a lot of tiny, seemingly insignificant drops.

317761 ▶▶▶ DRW, replying to Cheezilla, 1, #1152 of 2163 🔗

We are still only a small minority.

317767 ▶▶▶▶ Tom in Scotland, replying to DRW, 11, #1153 of 2163 🔗

We’re a bigger minority than you think. Hang in there!

317772 ▶▶▶▶▶ DRW, replying to Tom in Scotland, 1, #1154 of 2163 🔗

It’s still so depressing to see all this happen with so little pushback.

317873 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Cranmer, replying to DRW, 5, #1155 of 2163 🔗

I think that, despite the apathy, we will see quite a lot of rule-breaking this Christmas, at least in a small, quiet way. The mass of the sheeple will not venture out, but the borderline sceptical may be pushed over the edge into full scepticism. It’s not much but it’s a start.

317881 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ mikewaite, replying to DRW, 6, #1156 of 2163 🔗

As I was working in the front garden this afternnon a large group of young, well 16/17 year old,. girls walked past: chatting , laughing, arms round each other the way some do. Not a care in the world . Masks? : “what are they? ”
Its not all hopeless, DRW
.

318646 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to DRW, #1157 of 2163 🔗

The troops are gathering. Why not see how you can help? We keep posting links to find local groups. Plenty of people out leafleting and stickering. Moping around certainly won’t change anything.

317991 ▶▶▶▶ Luckyharry69, replying to DRW, 1, #1158 of 2163 🔗

They thought the Brexit Party was a ‘minority’ coming into the Euro elections?…..how many seats did the Tories get in Brussels?……….

318652 ▶▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to DRW, 1, #1159 of 2163 🔗

Not so small.I tink the Christmas fiasco will have been a tipping pont for many who might finally hav eopened their eyes to the fact that it’s a political scam.

317796 ▶▶ annie, replying to DRW, 6, #1160 of 2163 🔗

Life is ALWAYS worth living.
You only have one life – unless you’re a Buddhist, in which case you might be reincarnated as a slug, or something worse such as a Dungford – and if you waste it, you will not be offered another.
So don’t waste it and don’t throw it away.

317821 ▶▶▶ DRW, replying to annie, #1161 of 2163 🔗

It will be the only escape if things get as bad as I fear.

317988 ▶▶▶ John P, replying to annie, -1, #1162 of 2163 🔗

I’m sure Buddhists have similar jokes about Christians.

317811 ▶▶ Crystal Decanter, replying to DRW, 4, #1163 of 2163 🔗

Individually we are weak, like a single twig.
 But as a bundle , we form a mighty faggot

317813 ▶▶▶ annie, replying to Crystal Decanter, 1, #1164 of 2163 🔗

Or maggot.

317868 ▶▶▶ DRW, replying to Crystal Decanter, #1165 of 2163 🔗

I just wish we were larger.

317879 ▶▶▶ Luckyharry69, replying to Crystal Decanter, #1166 of 2163 🔗

I love faggots…with mushy peas…….

317990 ▶▶▶▶ John P, replying to Luckyharry69, 1, #1167 of 2163 🔗

Just don’t say that if you’re ever in the United States.

317743 Liam, replying to Liam, 63, #1168 of 2163 🔗

Just paid my daily visit to my parents and my Mum’s sister was there. Depressingly hysterical about everything, a big disappointment as she was always a sensible, no-nonsense type. Sat there in her bloody mask and insisting on using her own hand sanitiser.

Hadn’t seen her in months and the first thing she noticed was I’ve grown a beard. “Ooh like the beard Liam, does it attract the ladies?”

Me: “Well I wouldn’t really know anymore would I, being as I never bloody go anywhere?”

“Oh you know what I hadn’t thought of that!”

Nearly a year in and she hadn’t worked out that ending all social life might have some adverse effects. FFS.

317746 ▶▶ Crystal Decanter, replying to Liam, 13, #1169 of 2163 🔗

Just Identify as Neil Ferguson and go out for a finger buffet

317749 ▶▶▶ Liam, replying to Crystal Decanter, 10, #1170 of 2163 🔗

Ugh. Mind bleach time!

317773 ▶▶▶ Ewan Duffy, replying to Crystal Decanter, 2, #1171 of 2163 🔗

I see what you did there 😉

317755 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to Liam, 13, #1172 of 2163 🔗

My sister has also sacked off Christmas and is staying put. Absolutely nothing to do with Covid, well to any right thinking person that is. Her boyfriends mum has been diagnosed with Cancer and she doesn’t want to risk giving her Covid. The fact we are Covid mad is a bigger risk to her now she needs treatment of course, but I am not wading in on that.

317892 ▶▶▶ Mutineer, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 9, #1173 of 2163 🔗

I hope she gets treatment faster than my friend who waited 5 months for urgent surgery with the direct result that it had spread to her liver and she is now terminal. More people are afraid of an illness killing less than 1% and an average age of 82 when 1 in 2 get cancer and you probably won’t get a diagnosis, let alone treatment.

317757 ▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Liam, 23, #1174 of 2163 🔗

Those minimally affected haven’t a clue how it is for the others.

A friend joined a zoom call with some locals in nearby tier 2 who were comparing their delightful experiences eating in local restaurants. They were genuinely puzzled when she said there was nowhere to go because the cafes and restaurants were shut. They’d no idea she’d been locked in tier 3 since August – or what that entailed! They live only 17 miles from her.

There are bubbles and bubbles!

317769 ▶▶▶ arfurmo, replying to Cheezilla, 9, #1175 of 2163 🔗

Delightful is not how I’d described being served by face nappied waiters, watching muzzleoids entering and leaving and going for ablutions.

318045 ▶▶▶▶ Jaguarpig, replying to arfurmo, 5, #1176 of 2163 🔗

I will never go in a pub or restaurant again until the masked shit is gone can’t really avoid Tesco as I need my ale.

318639 ▶▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to arfurmo, 1, #1177 of 2163 🔗

Trust me, the people involved are lapping up lockdown. They’re all comfortably middle class and it doesn’t affect them much. I suspect they find it all quite exciting.

317865 ▶▶▶ Cranmer, replying to Cheezilla, 15, #1178 of 2163 🔗

I’m pretty sure that one of the reasons behind regional tiers was ‘divide and rule’ – people squabble about what tier they are in and whether they are better off than others, or just don’t know what’s happening in other parts of the country. It makes it harder to organise national opposition.

317859 ▶▶ Cranmer, replying to Liam, 9, #1179 of 2163 🔗

Another reply would have been ‘How will the ladies know if I have a beard, since we all have to wear bloody stupid masks all the time?’

317754 HaylingDave, 5, #1180 of 2163 🔗

So imagine for a moment that you’re a lockdown supporter, not a zealot maybe, but you think the government’s rules and mandates are tough, sometimes non-sensible, but always justified. One of those types.

Now, what I personally am struggling to understand is that if you are in the above category, what reasons would you think the government would have to justify unleashing the chaos, turmoil, anguish and despair that comes with an announcement of a new strain of the SARS-Cov-2 virus, just before Christmas? You should conclude it is pointless, or with agenda, but certainly not random or “bad timing”.

Let me explain my thoughts. So a lockdown supporter must know that …

  • … the government has been dealing with infection rate rises in local areas since June onwards (i.e. Leicester, Liverpool, Manchester, etc …). This isn’t a new phenomena.
  • … the diktats, mandates and regulations brought in to deal with local infection rate rises have always been hastily drawn up and delivered unexpectedly and with short notice. Repeatedly.
  • … justification for local measures has met criticisms, but the criticisms have always been rebuked, and the measures implemented (with minor exception). Even ministers have always supported us by majority.
  • … the infection rate rises in Kent and London are not disproportionate to previous rate rises in other “hot spots”. So nothing completely out of the ordinary.

Therefore, you must conclude that Kent/London could have been dealt with using existing actions: local lockdown measures quickly drawn up which are not necessarily part of an existing, national framework.

Instead of: local lockdown measures quickly drawn up which are not necessarily part of an existing, national framework – because of a scary, “new” strain.

The “scary” bit simply isn’t needed! In fact, no further justification is needed – the precedent has already been set!

Especially given publicly available information of:

  1. the “new” strain has been in the UK since September,
  2. the “new” strain is widely believed to be in other UK areas, and
  3. the “new” strain is already in Europe.

Then I can’t think of any justification as to recklessly speculate on this “new” strain, and neither should a lockdown supporter?

Therefore, I (me) can only think of three reasons why anyone would spout and believe this “new” strain nonsense:

  1. You don’t believe the points I made above are true – and that’s fine, skepticism is always welcome and I’d be happy to discuss.
  2. You do believe the points above, but choose to ignore them. Avoid Cognitive dissonance?
  3. You do believe the points above, but choose to support the government’s actions because the end justifies the means.

So, my own scientific and logical end conclusion to the ramblings above: we’re all fucked.

Cheers
Dave

317759 Dan Clarke, replying to Dan Clarke, 10, #1181 of 2163 🔗

Its the oddest thing to get christmas cards with ‘have a good christmas, getting my jab (date)’, had 2 from elderly relatives!

317776 ▶▶ chaos, replying to Dan Clarke, 6, #1182 of 2163 🔗

Send a reply with the date you plan to join the church of Satan.

317815 ▶▶▶ Dan Clarke, replying to chaos, #1183 of 2163 🔗

thought the ‘I SURVIVED THE COVID JAB’ badge, was a bit much

318218 ▶▶▶▶ Carrie, replying to Dan Clarke, 1, #1184 of 2163 🔗

I suspect that the propaganda around new scary variant will be ramped up around the time that the vaccinated get their second jab, which if what I’m reading is true, is the one with the worse side effects and can lead to death..

317762 Fingerache Philip., replying to Fingerache Philip., 8, #1185 of 2163 🔗

Local child wearing a F N because she wants to look like a ” Grown up”.
Oh, the bloody irony of it all!!!

317809 ▶▶ Yawnyaman, replying to Fingerache Philip., 5, #1186 of 2163 🔗

Tell her that her teeth will fall out!

317884 ▶▶ Mutineer, replying to Fingerache Philip., 4, #1187 of 2163 🔗

It’s child abuse, I’ve
seen a number of kids wearing muzzles. I want to weep. Muzzled Mothers pushing prams which means their baby cannot even see their expressions.

318091 ▶▶▶ MiriamW-sometimes-AlanG, replying to Mutineer, #1188 of 2163 🔗

We’ve seen several very young children in FNs in the last 2 days. Either the new lies are having an effect (children are all GOING TO DIE of the Ninja Mutant Variant) or maybe we’re noticing them because they’re off school and out shopping with Yummy Mummy at times which coincide with us old gimmers.

Either way, it’s shocking and AlanG mutters ‘child abuse’ in a loud stage whisper as they go past.

Also, the house I’ve reported on before with the white neon ‘NHS’ sign and a flashing red heart now has a grotesque illuminated plastic snowman over the porch. Guess what it is wearing on its ‘face’? Revolting, arrogant, despicable, thick virtue-signallers!!

I was cycling along this morning when I spied two other of the locale’s biggest virtue-signalling ‘dandelions’, with their FNs slung round their necks, ready for shop-action. I shouted ‘Happy Christmas’ at them and they were startled into reciprocation (usually they just look reproachfully at me over their muzzles because they massively disapprove of my known heretical views.) MW

317765 Chrissie, replying to Chrissie, 14, #1189 of 2163 🔗

Did you see SAGE just admitted lockdowns are useless:

From the NERVTAG document:

“It was noted that VUI-202012/01 has demonstrated exponential growth during a period when national lockdown measures were in place.”

317766 ▶▶ Charlie Blue, replying to Chrissie, 2, #1190 of 2163 🔗

Ah, but only useless for this terrifying mutant strain. And presumably only because the lockdown wasn’t harder and longer. (Confident those would be the qualifying remarks).

317795 ▶▶ Leemc23, replying to Chrissie, 5, #1191 of 2163 🔗

exponential

Don’t you hate that word. Behavioural Science again.

317935 ▶▶▶ RickH, replying to Leemc23, 3, #1192 of 2163 🔗

It’s a fascinating litmus test : scientists who don’t understand the term can’t be scientists. (I just accidentally typed ‘SCIENTITS’. I think I’ve just discovered a new term for the Whitty/Vallence/Fergusson brigade of tossers)

317962 ▶▶▶▶ thinkaboutit, replying to RickH, 1, #1193 of 2163 🔗

The Scientits of Sage…love it.

317770 captainbeefheart, replying to captainbeefheart, 20, #1194 of 2163 🔗
317778 ▶▶ captainbeefheart, replying to captainbeefheart, 1, #1195 of 2163 🔗

Stupidly missed out the word “vaccine” there…

317789 ▶▶▶ Liam, replying to captainbeefheart, 4, #1196 of 2163 🔗

Makes perfect sense as it is given that nobody dies of anything else anymore!

317791 ▶▶▶ DavidC, replying to captainbeefheart, #1197 of 2163 🔗

I don’t know, it looks pretty good as it is!

DavidC

317797 ▶▶▶ quasi_verbatim, replying to captainbeefheart, 2, #1198 of 2163 🔗

No, the truth is as it stands. CV will cure all known diseases when vaccines and lockdowns have wiped out all humans.

318207 ▶▶▶▶ Carrie, replying to quasi_verbatim, #1199 of 2163 🔗

exactly…

317874 ▶▶▶ Mutineer, replying to captainbeefheart, 1, #1200 of 2163 🔗

Defeated cancer and all other serious diseases. Everyone dies of Covid-19!

318029 ▶▶▶ Jaguarpig, replying to captainbeefheart, #1201 of 2163 🔗

Got what you meant

317787 ▶▶ Mr Dee, replying to captainbeefheart, 10, #1202 of 2163 🔗

Checked on the Guardian site, and it’s not much different from your satirical version, to be honest.

317817 ▶▶▶ arfurmo, replying to Mr Dee, 1, #1203 of 2163 🔗

How can you tell? Are you sure this is not real?

317799 ▶▶ DRW, replying to captainbeefheart, #1204 of 2163 🔗

Not far off the real thing.

317806 ▶▶ godowneasy, replying to captainbeefheart, 2, #1205 of 2163 🔗

Absolute genius – I love playing around with photoshop but I have no idea how you do that.

317816 ▶▶▶ captainbeefheart, replying to godowneasy, 4, #1206 of 2163 🔗

No photoshop needed…

If you use “Chrome” (or most browsers on a desktop) use can access “developer” mode and edit the page’s source code by pressing CTRL+SHIFT+C (or command shift c on a mac)

Click on some text in the page you want to edit, then you should be able to edit it.

The Guardian is a bit of a pig because of the way the code is structured, but other sites are a bit more simple.

I just do that when I’m bored sometimes and take a screenshot.

Have fun…

317829 ▶▶▶▶ godowneasy, replying to captainbeefheart, #1207 of 2163 🔗

Thanks – I might try that.

317917 ▶▶▶▶▶ Awkward Git, replying to godowneasy, #1208 of 2163 🔗

On Apple using Safari choose to show tend develop option and then play with all the show options.

You’ll find all sorts of strange things on websites.

317771 Mark, replying to Mark, 47, #1209 of 2163 🔗

Police in Tier 2 York slam drinkers who ‘believe their pint is more important than someone’s life’ after fining a ‘shocking’ number of people for travelling from neighbouring Tier 3 areas to city’s pubs
North Yorkshire Police said they issued ‘a shocking number of fines’ to those who ‘flout regulations’. They said it showed some people ‘think their pint is more important than someone’s life’.

This highlights one of the core moral tenets in our culture that has been warped, to enable the coronapanic disaster.

The idea that behaving normally when there is a low risk disease around is “endangering others”, either from direct risk of transmission resulting in death or from a theoretical general increase in prevalence resulting from spread, needs to be stamped out, somehow.

Intellectual argumentation is not sufficient, because the hyper-vigilant can always point to some tiny residual risk and claim it creates responsibility. More emotional positions, that respond in kind to the emotional blackmail inherent in the panicker position, are needed if a society is not to end up where we have. One part of the cultural defence against this noxious doctrine was a cultural presumption in favour of “keeping calm and carrying on”, ruat caelum. Another (related) was a contempt for scaremongering and for showing weakness in the face of such minor threats.

The cultural failures that helped enable this disaster were suffered in the C20th, and we are only now seeing their full fruits. We have allowed respect to be twisted by sentimentality away from courage and fortitude, and bestowed upon cowardice.

317780 ▶▶ Mr Dee, replying to Mark, 19, #1210 of 2163 🔗

We have allowed respect to be twisted by sentimentality away from courage and fortitude, and bestowed upon cowardice.”

Perfectly put.

317782 ▶▶ Dan Clarke, replying to Mark, 14, #1211 of 2163 🔗

the permanently hysterical should stay in their bunkers, sick of the lot of them

317792 ▶▶▶ Tom Blackburn, replying to Dan Clarke, 9, #1212 of 2163 🔗

Agree and strangely enough, these types are rarely at home themselves when making their point.

317845 ▶▶▶▶ Cranmer, replying to Tom Blackburn, 5, #1213 of 2163 🔗

That’s the infuriating thing – it’s ‘one rule for thee and one for me’ with these people – they are determined to go about their ‘normal’ lives as much as possible while forcing everyone else to conform to the rules, stupidly trying to attenuate everything with juju rituals such as masks and distancing. If they really believed there was a ‘pandemic’ they would just stay at home.

317925 ▶▶▶ RickH, replying to Dan Clarke, 2, #1214 of 2163 🔗

That’s precisely the solution – you’re free to be quivering cowardly hermit of little brain. Allow me not to be – I’ll even leave shopping on your doorstep out of sympathy for those mentally afflicted in this way.

317804 ▶▶ Mrs issedoff, replying to Mark, 19, #1215 of 2163 🔗

Haha, my son is one of those selfish nasty people who went out of tier 3 Leeds and into York for an escape from boredom. Good on him I say, all the perpetually petrified should stay hankered down for ever, peering over the tops of their muzzles with their nasty beady eyes.

317887 ▶▶▶ Lisa (formerly) from Toronto, replying to Mrs issedoff, 12, #1216 of 2163 🔗

I encourage my young adult children to break the rules whenever possible. Good on your son!

317904 ▶▶▶▶ Cranmer, replying to Lisa (formerly) from Toronto, 9, #1217 of 2163 🔗

I was pleased to get a call from an old friend that I normally visit at New Year’s. He said I’m welcome to visit even though it’s ‘banned’, we just have to be careful that I park my car on the next street instead of in his driveway as usual, because his neighbour is a covid watcher. So nice to be treated like a human instead of a leper!

317910 ▶▶▶ Awkward Git, replying to Mrs issedoff, 5, #1218 of 2163 🔗

Encourage my kids to check the facts and then do what they feel right.

Just happens that they then ignore the bullshit and do what they ant then try and get their friends to do the same.

317812 ▶▶ arfurmo, replying to Mark, 11, #1219 of 2163 🔗

“Julie Knight, 46, who runs Knight Jewellers with 21-year-old daughter Lucy Jackson in the high street, also said she had already asked one lady to leave this morning because she was from a Tier Four area.
She said: ‘She came to the shop door and said “I’m from a Tier Four area so I shouldn’t really be here but I need a gold chain”. ‘I immediately instructed her not to come in and apologised and said that under the new rules we were unable to serve her.”
Herbert Sports has been in East Grinstead for 43-years.
Owner Craig Cash, 43, who bought the business in 2017, has worked there for the last 30-years.
He too was forced to turn away a customer who had travelled in from a Tier Four area this morning.
He said: ‘She seemed totally oblivious to the new rules and was confused about why I couldn’t serve her.
‘But as soon as I found out that she lived in Surrey I had no choice, it just isn’t worth it.

The richest person I have ever known once told me that if someone is trying to give you money , take it or it will go to someone else. That said I don’t get how someone can “need” a gold chain.

317814 ▶▶▶ annie, replying to arfurmo, 14, #1220 of 2163 🔗

How can someone need to be such a mean-spirited cow?

317985 ▶▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to annie, 6, #1221 of 2163 🔗

Was the customer really so stupid, or was she a shill sent by the local stasi?

318031 ▶▶▶▶▶ Templeton, replying to Cheezilla, 5, #1222 of 2163 🔗

Yep smells of BS.

318202 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Carrie, replying to Templeton, 6, #1223 of 2163 🔗

Agree – you’d have to be an idiot to actually *tell* the shopkeeper where you are from!
This is designed to put people off travelling to shop..

317846 ▶▶▶ Sue, replying to arfurmo, 13, #1224 of 2163 🔗

Our society is now in an apartheid regime with blocking of certain people to enter a shop – i fear this is only going to get worse!
But to be fair how f*****g stupid was it of the woman to announce that she was from tier 4 – just shut up and get on with it…

317891 ▶▶▶ DThom, replying to arfurmo, 6, #1225 of 2163 🔗

Are these people stupid? Nobody has the right to ask you where you live!

317978 ▶▶▶▶ John P, replying to DThom, #1226 of 2163 🔗

I’m not sure the shopkeeper had to ask.

318203 ▶▶▶▶ Carrie, replying to DThom, #1227 of 2163 🔗

How long before your phone GPS is adapted so it bleeps at the door to a shop, if you travel in from another area?

317976 ▶▶▶ John P, replying to arfurmo, 1, #1228 of 2163 🔗

She said: ‘She came to the shop door and said “I’m from a Tier Four area so I shouldn’t really be here but I need a gold chain”.

There’s a moral here somewhere …

317838 ▶▶ Edward, replying to Mark, 5, #1229 of 2163 🔗

Excellent analysis. The police statement is an example of the fallacy of the excluded middle, as if it was a binary choice between on the one hand having a pint and giving someone a fatal disease, and on the other hand doing neither. . A similar fallacy is present in the argument for unilateral nuclear disarmament which says it’s either that or the mass annihilation of humanity.

317914 ▶▶▶ RickH, replying to Edward, #1230 of 2163 🔗

There is no equivalence at all – nuclear deterrence was about a man-made threat. The equation is with the man-made threat of viral annihilation.

318132 ▶▶▶ Edward, replying to Edward, #1231 of 2163 🔗

Slight error, it’s a false dilemma rather than excluded middle.

317875 ▶▶ NorthumbrianNomad, replying to Mark, 3, #1232 of 2163 🔗

Any report that includes the verb “to slam” (unless it’s about basketball and followed by “dunk”) is to be ignored. Likewise “to soar” unless about birds and “to plummet” (unless about the likelihood of Britain becoming habitable again in our lifetime).

318025 ▶▶▶ annie, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, 2, #1233 of 2163 🔗

likewise ‘to surge’

317889 ▶▶ Basics, replying to Mark, 4, #1234 of 2163 🔗

Quite limited thinking from the yorkshire bent minded police. Reframe the pint as worthless and those to drink one vile sociopaths.

Isn’t it the case dear yorkshire reframed police that a social pint is not only a custom and a tradition but also advantageous to mental health and that great new god of all reframed civil servants wellbeing?

You are not talking 8 pints and puking at the nearest lampost. A pint in a pub. Public Health policing is stasi.

318017 ▶▶▶ Jaguarpig, replying to Basics, 2, #1235 of 2163 🔗

8 pints it’s not worth going out unless you are doing a couple of gallon lol

317909 ▶▶ RickH, replying to Mark, 6, #1236 of 2163 🔗

some people ‘think their pint is more important than someone’s life’.”

Well – just a personal opinion – but it’s worth more than the brain of someone dim enough to think that there’s an equivalence.

Stupidity on stilts.

317968 ▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Mark, 2, #1237 of 2163 🔗

They alway blame a selfish craving for alcohol (note it’s always a pint – blame the plebs!), rather than a perfectly natural need for human company. Moral egregiousness!

318002 ▶▶ Ben, replying to Mark, 1, #1238 of 2163 🔗

More important than someone’s asymptomatic false positive PCR test

318496 ▶▶ Julian, replying to Mark, 2, #1239 of 2163 🔗

Totally agree

We’ve often based our arguments on the obvious fact that covid simply is nothing like as dangerous as has been claimed, and that in any case the kind of interventions we’ve seen are futile – this is quite understandable and these are powerful arguments

But underlying this is something more fundamental that we speak of less often because it’s a harder sell, and that is that freedom, while arguably not an absolute, should have a very high value placed upon it, as should the right to enjoy close human contact with whomever you choose, whenever you choose, and that this right is so important that even if the exercise of it may create risk for others, we are justified in doing it anyway.

I think many who speak against lockdowns have tacitly conceded this point, because it seems heartless to make it. But I feel unless we go back to believing this, we’re lost and will never get back to normality.

318732 ▶▶ nocheesegromit, replying to Mark, #1240 of 2163 🔗

Can I just say from experience that there are a good number of people in York who couldn’t give less of a fuck about distancing/bubbles/etc. If the police want to take this up then fine, but they won’t win any friends.

318817 ▶▶ Johnb, replying to Mark, #1241 of 2163 🔗

More emotional positions … are needed if a society is not to end up where we have.

Such as “Fuck off you lunatic !” ? 🙂

317783 Andrew, replying to Andrew, 17, #1242 of 2163 🔗

Should Chris Whitty be locked up for a very long time?

317793 ▶▶ Ned of the Hills, replying to Andrew, 3, #1243 of 2163 🔗

He should certainly be impoverished given he has impoverished so many others – and exiled on Muckle FLugga.

317866 ▶▶▶ NorthumbrianNomad, replying to Ned of the Hills, 4, #1244 of 2163 🔗

Muckle Flugga is a beautiful place and deserves no such miserable fate. Please send him somewhere else. Since he’s so fond of scientific risk assessments, how about the foundations of the new Sizewell power station?

317871 ▶▶▶▶ Basics, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, 1, #1245 of 2163 🔗

Attached to a drone and kept off shore somewhere.

317949 ▶▶▶▶▶ thinkaboutit, replying to Basics, 2, #1246 of 2163 🔗

Attach him to a rocket that accelerates exponentially.

317898 ▶▶▶ dorset dumpling, replying to Ned of the Hills, 4, #1247 of 2163 🔗

How about Gruinard Island, there must still be some anthrax there…..

318004 ▶▶▶▶ TheOriginalBlackPudding, replying to dorset dumpling, 1, #1248 of 2163 🔗

My thoughts exactly. He can then predict, monitor and suffer his one-man epidemic.

318884 ▶▶▶▶▶ NorthumbrianNomad, replying to TheOriginalBlackPudding, #1249 of 2163 🔗

Perfect! “My object all sublime, I shall achieve in time, to let the punishment fit the crime!”

318018 ▶▶▶▶ SweetBabyCheeses, replying to dorset dumpling, #1250 of 2163 🔗

Sort of ironic when it was Dr David Kelly who was in charge of cleaning it up.

318044 ▶▶▶▶▶ Bugle, replying to SweetBabyCheeses, #1251 of 2163 🔗

Fascinating.

317800 ▶▶ Liam, replying to Andrew, 10, #1252 of 2163 🔗

I prefer the Ceaucescu option but it’d be a start.

317830 ▶▶ Crystal Decanter, replying to Andrew, 2, #1253 of 2163 🔗

Pinochets free escort service

317836 ▶▶ DRW, replying to Andrew, 1, #1254 of 2163 🔗

No, why let off all the others.

317878 ▶▶ Ewan Duffy, replying to Andrew, 1, #1255 of 2163 🔗

Rudolph Hess was in jail until he died in 1987.

317785 chaos, replying to chaos, 3, #1256 of 2163 🔗
317788 ▶▶ Andrew, replying to chaos, 14, #1257 of 2163 🔗

Would not be surprised if Keir Starmer called for Parliament to be recalled so he can abstain again.

317802 ▶▶ Yawnyaman, replying to chaos, #1258 of 2163 🔗

Just cleared 10000

317850 ▶▶ NorthumbrianNomad, replying to chaos, 1, #1259 of 2163 🔗

Stop wasting time with the Parliament of clowns

317798 arfurmo, replying to arfurmo, 12, #1260 of 2163 🔗

https://www.chroniclelive.co.uk/news/north-east-news/cabinet-debated-putting-whole-england-19506507 -why is Gove so in favour of locking everyone up and ceasing economic activity. I thought he had had enough of experts such as Ferguson, Whitty , Van Tam etc

317900 ▶▶ RickH, replying to arfurmo, 7, #1261 of 2163 🔗

Gove is the classic ex-journo-cum-politician idiot – talks a lot and wears glasses, but almost never knows anything useful – and has no sense of what a twat he is.

317996 ▶▶▶ Jaguarpig, replying to RickH, 1, #1262 of 2163 🔗

Coke head cunt

317808 Andrew, 17, #1263 of 2163 🔗

Just caught the mutant strain. It’s fuck all. A dab of TCP and it’s gone.

Right that’s Christmas sorted.

317822 iansn, replying to iansn, 20, #1264 of 2163 🔗

Just drove past the local library. They are doing LFT’s there. A queu around the blovk parent s with kids, like they are going to the fucking grotto to see Santa for fucks sake, what is wrong with you people????? You arent sick so why get tested?

317882 ▶▶ Liz F, replying to iansn, 6, #1265 of 2163 🔗

Seems to be like a badge of honour now. “Have you had yours?” “Ooh yes, I’m doing it to signal my virtue”.

317931 ▶▶ HelzBelz, replying to iansn, 4, #1266 of 2163 🔗

All testing to make sure they are OK to visit Granny at Christmas… though they could catch it tomorrow…. not thought that through have they!

317827 annie, replying to annie, 54, #1267 of 2163 🔗

If you’re feeling low, just remember that you are not a zombie, you do not live in a permanent state of hysterical terror, you have a face, you have not forgotten what it is like to be human, words like ‘truth’, ‘honesty’, ‘integrity’, ‘friendship’, ‘love’, ‘joy’ ‘freedom’, ‘beauty’, ‘enjoyment’, ‘courage’ have meaning for you, you do not have an utterly false picture of the world, you do not kowtow to evil, you do not shame the very ground on which you stand.
You are fortunate.

317831 ▶▶ DRW, replying to annie, 9, #1268 of 2163 🔗

We haven’t forgotten, but seemingly the majority has.

317853 ▶▶ Simon Cook, replying to annie, 6, #1269 of 2163 🔗

Thanks Annie, it’s a great point and easy to forget sometimes when its hard not to be despondent.

317897 ▶▶ Marialta, replying to annie, 3, #1270 of 2163 🔗

I’ve sent this on to someone very low, thanks very much

317927 ▶▶ Les Tricoteuses, replying to annie, 3, #1271 of 2163 🔗

Thanks Annie, low this morning better this afternoon.

317833 Bugle, replying to Bugle, 12, #1272 of 2163 🔗

Today’s figures The Sun, what they mean: Johnson jumped the shark yesterday, so the propaganda machine has gone into hyper-overdrive to save his arse – and keep us confined into 2022. Phony-baloney vaccine + cert is the only way out. I’m in the Leper’s group.

317851 ▶▶ Tyneside Tigress, replying to Bugle, 11, #1273 of 2163 🔗

Today’s announced deaths included at least one from 2 July! We know from the ONS announcement this morning, deaths in England & Wales were down two weeks in a row, and are less than 400 per day. In the dashboard, the 18 November UK total of 486 has still not been exceeded. Of course, the MSM is all over this – if only!

317861 ▶▶▶ Bugle, replying to Tyneside Tigress, 1, #1274 of 2163 🔗

Excellent, thank you.

317870 ▶▶▶ RickH, replying to Tyneside Tigress, 15, #1275 of 2163 🔗

Tigress – they’ve dropped for four weeks. Not massively, but clearly (See my earlier posting). Currently converging with the lowest year(2011) in the quarter century.

Now we can see the reason for the absurd Scary Fairy of the ninja mutant virus – the real news is too optimistic.

317924 ▶▶▶▶ Tyneside Tigress, replying to RickH, 2, #1276 of 2163 🔗

Thanks Rick – sorry I just picked the headline from one of the MSM sites plus dashboard. The population is larger, and has been steadily aging, which makes the absolutes look even less remarkable.

On today’s reported number of 405 English hospital deaths:

‘Patients were aged between 26 and 100 years old. All except 13 (aged 54 to 90 years old) didn’t have known underlying health conditions.
Date of death ranges from July 2 to December 21 2020 with the majority being on or after December 18’

317856 ▶▶ RickH, replying to Bugle, 11, #1277 of 2163 🔗

the propaganda machine has gone into hyper-overdrive to save his arse “

An interesting take. What I do think is that Johnson will be kept in place as long as he can be the useful idiot.

318039 ▶▶▶ Bugle, replying to RickH, 1, #1278 of 2163 🔗

Compromising politicians is probably expensive. Stick with the sell-out you’ve got.

317839 Silke David, 5, #1279 of 2163 🔗

Just read that the local council in Germany where my parents live have not reported any numbers for 4 days.
Apparently technical problems.
See, reporting numbers every day is not important, as they have not tried to do it manually (Abacus and paper?)

317841 Banjones, replying to Banjones, 12, #1280 of 2163 🔗

Good. Over 10,000 now. It won’t do any good, of course, but at least we can see we’re not alone.
https://petition.parliament.uk/petitions/564421

317858 ▶▶ Basics, replying to Banjones, 4, #1281 of 2163 🔗

Really feels there’s a slowness about that petition as said earlier. Good effort to make people aware.

317877 ▶▶▶ chaos, replying to Basics, 5, #1282 of 2163 🔗

Recall Parliament now to scrutinise new Christmas coronavirus restrictions

  • 147 signatures in the last hour

It’s picking up pace..

317951 ▶▶▶▶ Basics, replying to chaos, #1283 of 2163 🔗

Great.

For clarity. I meant to imply a throttle on the tech side of things not tge eagerness of people to have our parliament recalled and do the job they accepted and we expect them to do. I also agree on the pointless in anycase view too. That is the nature of things. Keep on chipping.

317966 ▶▶▶ John P, replying to Basics, -3, #1284 of 2163 🔗

Yes, it’s called indifference. They ignore them.

318007 ▶▶▶▶ Basics, replying to John P, 3, #1285 of 2163 🔗

John you have a bitterness of anger in you that is unpleasant to see. You seem to be heading in a bleak direction. Have a good one.

317883 ▶▶ Bugle, replying to Banjones, 12, #1286 of 2163 🔗

Didn’t half a million march against the Iraq war? The New Labour government took no notice at all. Later, however, Blair became a totally discredited figure, kept in existence only by the sinecures offered by his partners in crime. If justice ever returns, Boris Johnson better look for somewhere cheap to retire, because all his income streams – celebrity and journalism etc. – will dry up and his life will be remarkable only for its lack of interest to anybody.

317983 ▶▶▶ KBuchanan, replying to Bugle, 6, #1287 of 2163 🔗

And by then princess nut nut will have left him.

317893 ▶▶ Ovis, replying to Banjones, 9, #1288 of 2163 🔗

Even if all it proves is that Parliament is a waste of space, the sooner that is clear to all, the better.

317953 ▶▶▶ Basics, replying to Ovis, 3, #1289 of 2163 🔗

Agree

317919 ▶▶ chaos, replying to Banjones, 3, #1290 of 2163 🔗

Have you seen the list of active petitions? I just looked. Won’t make you feel rosy. More than 50k want gender reassingnment drugs to be re-allowed for under 16’s. Almost 200k demand no exams in 2021.

318023 ▶▶ annie, replying to Banjones, 1, #1291 of 2163 🔗

When it gets to 100,000 they have to call a debate in Parliament to debate the recall of Parliament.
Gilbert, thou shouldest be living at this hour.

317849 Sceptic in SA, replying to Sceptic in SA, 5, #1292 of 2163 🔗

Someone on my work “social” whatsapp group posted a link today which I will share below. The prelude to this was that we had a “virtual” christmas party a week ago (which I had a good mind to boycott but in the end didn’t). During the discussion, someone said she had been running with someone who then test positive and now she has to isolate. Then someone said that the bosses bro in law had died FROM covid at only 64. Then the conversation was all about “people don’t realise – it’s REAL” etc etc. I wanted to leave the conversation or call BS but didn’t, because in the end it makes things worse, especially in a zoom call.

So today this guy posts a link to the open letter by a doctor : https://www.news24.com/news24/columnists/guestcolumn/opinion-covid-19-a-doctors-open-letter-to-cape-town-20201221

At face value it’s quite compelling but I want to reply to him and tell him to wake the fuck up. For a start there is the line “Depression: Wow. Nobody cares …”. That in itself undermines the entire letter. But I guarantee that all my colleagues read it and just became even more brainwashed.

I want to say to them, sure people are sick and dying. But however much a doctor might be “on the frontline”. she won’t have a proper view of how bad it is. How does she know which cases are covid and which aren’t? How much of it is due to the hospital being badly run. And even then, does any of this justify measures that are most probably not effective anyway, but are costing much more in the long run.

I’m almost definitely not going to respond to it but curious if anyone else has a view?

317886 ▶▶ RickH, replying to Sceptic in SA, 4, #1293 of 2163 🔗

It looks like clear propaganda. Even allowing that some doctors do see the concentrated shit in the U-bend, it is hysterically at odds with the real indicator – death numbers.

317863 Gillian, replying to Gillian, 1, #1294 of 2163 🔗

This will be am interesting court case. Pity that the sheriff court on Bute was closed down by the SNP government as “not economically viable”.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-glasgow-west-55414817

317885 ▶▶ Cranmer, replying to Gillian, 3, #1295 of 2163 🔗

Most likely result will be FPNs which they will pay up and it will just be brushed under the carpet. It’s a tricky one for the BBC and MSM because they need to show that people are being caught and punished, but have to stay quiet about anybody refusing to pay fines or court cases being thrown out.

317923 ▶▶ Basics, replying to Gillian, 2, #1296 of 2163 🔗

Part of Shetlands reascertian last week to ‘Faroe-off’ from Scotland included Shetland comment about how badly all the Island have been treated by SNP rule. Shetland appeared to me to be making comment following on from Aberdeen Council’s recent vote to skip Holyrood and deal directly with Westminster for funding matters.

317869 Leemc23, 19, #1297 of 2163 🔗

I never imagined I would be 3 days before Christmas and wanting to tear down Costco with my hands. I am not even a member and I want to see them burn.

317880 Adam, replying to Adam, 27, #1298 of 2163 🔗

Johnson’s position is now untenable and Hancock no more get rid

318024 ▶▶ Bugle, replying to Adam, 1, #1299 of 2163 🔗

True.

318153 ▶▶ Athanasius, replying to Adam, 3, #1300 of 2163 🔗

Is this a post from March?

317888 Leemc23, replying to Leemc23, 35, #1301 of 2163 🔗

Today, the kids and I went for a stroll through our village. Passed through the Church yard, church locked still after 9 months. Two ladies at the gates chatting. One muzzled. Loudly (deliberately) stating that this “new strain passes between kids much more quickly”. Then out from behind her pops a kid in a mask.

I said to my daughter “should I tell her the facts?” She shrugged and said “no, what’s the point”.

That’s where we are at. This nightmare has got worse and worse this past week.

They are burning everything and everywhere to the ground now, and the insanity of people is out of control. The thing about burning everything is that in the end we will all end up with a set of matches. And that’s not a good outcome.

317941 ▶▶ Katharine Stephenson, replying to Leemc23, 23, #1302 of 2163 🔗

I think the sheer unpleasantness towards children has been one of the most horrible aspects of this year. Whether it’s teachers demanding children wear masks in and out of school grounds or the politicians pushing the idea that the ‘new’ mutation affects them more than adults, we seem to be creating a terrible mistrust between the generations. The demand to close the schools next month is just one more cruel blow to undermine young people’s chance of a future. It’s Orwellian.

317992 ▶▶▶ Tyneside Tigress, replying to Katharine Stephenson, 10, #1303 of 2163 🔗

Yes, absolutely correct. In fact, this includes attitudes towards young adults too. My kids are 18 and 20, and very aware of it, both here, and overseas – they were in Spain over the summer. Many seem to have forgotten they were young once, and most had the benefit of free university education, the opportunity to get on the housing ladder, and in the main, jobs for anyone who was prepared to work.

318005 ▶▶▶▶ SweetBabyCheeses, replying to Tyneside Tigress, 10, #1304 of 2163 🔗

When I was that age the most important things to me were my friends, going out, playing sport, watching sport, meeting new people, going on holiday, drinking, dancing, singing, partying, live gigs and getting laid.
ALL these things are denied to young people too and my heart bleeds for them 😭

318022 ▶▶▶▶▶ Tyneside Tigress, replying to SweetBabyCheeses, 3, #1305 of 2163 🔗

Agree – and it is totally unnatural and unsustainable.

318037 ▶▶▶▶ DRW, replying to Tyneside Tigress, 4, #1306 of 2163 🔗

I’m about that age and I just feel I’m done with everything. The bastard zoom universities have a lot to answer for as well. I’m failing and don’t really care.

317890 richard riewer, replying to richard riewer, 6, #1307 of 2163 🔗

Red Dwarf 4th Season D.N.A. episode. Kryten’s explanation of what messing around with DNA can do is eerily similar to what’s in the Pfizer MRNA vaccine

318647 ▶▶ Mark, replying to richard riewer, #1308 of 2163 🔗

Looks like all too many of us are going to let this fruit bat of a government diddle with our DNA, though….

317896 Kevin 2, replying to Kevin 2, 13, #1309 of 2163 🔗

“Care home resident who broke hip in fall died after testing positive for Covid-19 in hospital”

https://www.dailypost.co.uk/news/north-wales-news/care-home-resident-who-broke-19499633

How many thousands of others are there, who become a Covid stat in this way?

317915 ▶▶ Paulus, replying to Kevin 2, 4, #1310 of 2163 🔗

I think this approach will scare the hell out of anyone offered the vaccine, dread to think how many deaths will have to be put down to the vaccine when they happen in 28 days. Oh hang on we don’t want to scare people, so we’ll use a different measure!

317939 ▶▶ Mike, replying to Kevin 2, 5, #1311 of 2163 🔗

Unfortunately this sort of thing has been going on for a long time. Covid is a convenient excuse to cover up bad treatment or neglect. My wife and I lost both our grandmothers just prior to this covid rubbish starting.

Both died from complications incurred while in hospital (1 misdiagnosis and 1 hospital bug) yet both were put down as old age and frailty (respectively) on death certificates. Heaven forbid the hospital has to take the blame for neglecting patients (particularly old people).

Covid is the perfect smoke screen for a failing system…be that medical, financial or societal.

317956 ▶▶▶ chaos, replying to Mike, 5, #1312 of 2163 🔗

Never let an old loved one go into hospital. Let them die at home.

317899 smileymiley, 14, #1313 of 2163 🔗

Just seen this
https://twitter.com/TheRustler83/status/1341335555272036352?s=19

Freedom of information request in Scotland
26 deaths from covid
From a population of 867,000
1 in 33,000
Same period 9000 died of other causes
1 in 100

317903 Ricky R, replying to Ricky R, 11, #1314 of 2163 🔗

Got some word of mouth info from an inside source although I don’t know how accurate this is. Big retail business placing staff on furlough again from the 5th of January. Currently in tier 2. Same business got a phone call from government source which guaranteed the lockdown would not be extended at the start of the month.

If this is true then they’ve been told to expect lockdown by the 5th.

317922 ▶▶ Leemc23, replying to Ricky R, 3, #1315 of 2163 🔗

I honestly don’t think it will be as long as the 5th. I am going with 27/28th.

317928 ▶▶ Charlie Blue, replying to Ricky R, 7, #1316 of 2163 🔗

It’s inevitable. Doubt they’ll wait for the new year though. My guess is an announcement at the weekend, a good few days before Johnson sells us down the river on brexit.

318074 ▶▶▶ Sue, replying to Charlie Blue, 1, #1317 of 2163 🔗

agree – they’ll wait for xmas day to be over and announce at the weekend a lockdown so prevent people getting together for new year…

318176 ▶▶ Carrie, replying to Ricky R, #1318 of 2163 🔗

Well the new laws mention a resonable excuse for leaving one’s home being to vote in an election or referendum – why put that in if they are *not* already planning for the country to *still* be locked down in May ?

318674 ▶▶▶ Ovis, replying to Carrie, #1319 of 2163 🔗

That election will be postal only. With some nice counting machines.

317905 godowneasy, replying to godowneasy, 6, #1320 of 2163 🔗

Ireland from Rte: Travel ban from Britain extended to 31 December https://www.rte.ie/news/coronavirus/2020/1222/1185901-travel-ban/

This is all to do with that pesky mutant which was launched by Hancock the other day. I wonder if he is regretting it yet?
Strangely, there’s no mention of the Ireland / NI border to keep the mutants out of the Republic. Is that the end of the common travel area? I assume NI is still part of the UK or have they swapped it for the fish yet? (only joking!)

317981 ▶▶ Yawnyaman, replying to godowneasy, #1321 of 2163 🔗

Reading the article, a probably Republican attempt to cut off NI from the rest of the UK was defeated by a Stormont vote. Essential travel between RoI and NI by road is continuing. For those living very close to the border there might be quite a lot of it.

318068 ▶▶ mhcp, replying to godowneasy, #1322 of 2163 🔗

Fantastic irony about the UK not honouring the border then the Republic shits the bed and enforces is because of “the virus”.

Ireland has the ability as an island to be a control group and for once, not be the very stereotypical retards that we are often mistaken for.

318166 ▶▶ Leemc23, replying to godowneasy, #1323 of 2163 🔗

Sorry? Have the republic now implemented a hard boarder between them and mainland UK ? WTF ?

317907 crimsonpirate, replying to crimsonpirate, 10, #1324 of 2163 🔗

woke up this morning to hear someone make a joke about scientists becoming celebrities saying they wouldn’t be surprised if Neil Ferguson turns up on Strictly Come Dancing next year.

317937 ▶▶ Matt The Cat, replying to crimsonpirate, 10, #1325 of 2163 🔗

There’s only one dance I want to see that piece of shyte do.

317944 ▶▶▶ Jaguarpig, replying to Matt The Cat, 4, #1326 of 2163 🔗

Can I pull the trap lever please.

318060 ▶▶▶▶ Awkward Git, replying to Jaguarpig, 1, #1327 of 2163 🔗

I’ll tie the knot.

318049 ▶▶ Seansaighdeoir, replying to crimsonpirate, 2, #1328 of 2163 🔗

I’d like to see him do the Tyburn jig.

317912 Sue, replying to Sue, 51, #1329 of 2163 🔗

Well i’m heading out to the wilds of exmoor tomorrow in my campervan – finally found a camp site that’s open and doesn’t sound too zealous on rules etc. So 3 or 4 days of nature, walking and cycling, good food with red wine in the evening and detox from all this hysteria and recharge batteries.
I had an invite from my family but i said i could bear the thought of shopping with masks etc and i’m really not a fan of xmas (I’m a bit bah humbug on that front and think it’s one big commercial spendfest of crap which people can’t afford and probably don’t need). So looking forward to getting out the city and it may be the last time for a while since we’re bound to be locked up in new year. Wishing all the sceptics a festive time

317913 ▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Sue, 5, #1330 of 2163 🔗

Sounds lovely. Have a great time!

317926 ▶▶▶ Charlie Blue, replying to Cheezilla, 1, #1331 of 2163 🔗

Enjoy!

317933 ▶▶ Matt The Cat, replying to Sue, 3, #1332 of 2163 🔗

You sound like a kindred spirit, Sue – have a great time. Just reading your post has cheered me up a bit!

318065 ▶▶▶ Sue, replying to Matt The Cat, #1333 of 2163 🔗

don’t be down Matt – get out and about in the countryside – forget all the shit for a while and recharge!! The bastards can’t take nature from us!

317940 ▶▶ Luckyharry69, replying to Sue, 1, #1334 of 2163 🔗

Can I come?…….

318028 ▶▶▶ Sue, replying to Luckyharry69, #1335 of 2163 🔗

all welcome 🙂

318092 ▶▶▶▶ Luckyharry69, replying to Sue, 1, #1336 of 2163 🔗

I nearly moved to Wiveliscombe 20 years ago…wish I had….bugger!!

317954 ▶▶ Mr Dee, replying to Sue, 1, #1337 of 2163 🔗

Lovely! Will do you the world of good. Happy Saturnalia!

318009 ▶▶ DRW, replying to Sue, 1, #1338 of 2163 🔗

Enjoy yourself Sue.

318032 ▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to Sue, 1, #1339 of 2163 🔗

Enjoy! Nothing beats a good escape.

318040 ▶▶ Al T, replying to Sue, 2, #1340 of 2163 🔗

Sounds very nice. I hope you enjoy a period of peace, tranquility, decent weather and good wine.

Merry Christmas!

317920 Ceci, replying to Ceci, 4, #1341 of 2163 🔗

Ferguson

The go to Professor when you want to sell a vaccine

317930 ▶▶ Tom Blackburn, replying to Ceci, 8, #1342 of 2163 🔗

It sickens me that this man – who is basically a savant – is controlling the close relationships of near enough everyone in the country.

317973 ▶▶▶ Tyneside Tigress, replying to Tom Blackburn, 3, #1343 of 2163 🔗

Tom, he is not a savant. His modeling is nothing special. He is no great intellect – presumably why he moved across from physics into epidemiology.

317989 ▶▶▶▶ Tom Blackburn, replying to Tyneside Tigress, 1, #1344 of 2163 🔗

I’d put my house on it that he buys his underwear from K-Mart and counts cards in Vegas with Tom Cruise. Yes… that’s it. It all makes sense now.

318026 ▶▶▶▶▶ Tyneside Tigress, replying to Tom Blackburn, #1345 of 2163 🔗

Haha!

318066 ▶▶▶▶ TimeIsNow, replying to Tyneside Tigress, #1346 of 2163 🔗

Rasputín is closer I think.

317929 AnotherSceptic, replying to AnotherSceptic, 10, #1347 of 2163 🔗

Unbelievable!! Nicola is “considering” an even more draconian lockdown, due to the “new (made up) strain of the virus”

Which she said “ over one in 10 covid infections were linked to the new strain in early December”

& this is a total new one below, I’ve never ever heard of this one before..

She said “There is continuing technical work underway on the use of the S-Gene dropout as a marker for the new strain and it is not absolutely definitive that every case with this marker will be the new variant.

“However, this analysis suggests that in the week beginning December 9 around 14% of positive cases in Scotland already had this S-Gene dropout. This compares to just 5% at the end of November.”

The wee boot added: “It is not unreasonable to assume that the proportion may be higher by now. And Public Health Scotland is carrying out further analysis.

Sickening!!!

https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/politics/nicola-sturgeon-warns-even-tighter-23206418

317934 ▶▶ Tom Blackburn, replying to AnotherSceptic, #1348 of 2163 🔗

I actually wouldn’t mind the harshest of harsh lockdowns now. Just to prove beyond any doubt they don’t work.

317942 ▶▶▶ AnotherSceptic, replying to Tom Blackburn, 18, #1349 of 2163 🔗

I understand what you are saying Tom, but, it really should be crystal clear by now to the sheeple that it doesn’t work & that this is just being made up as they go along.

It is really starting to properly properly piss me off, the amount of utterly brainwashed tits up here in the dictatorship that is now Scotland.

317970 ▶▶▶▶ Edward, replying to AnotherSceptic, 14, #1350 of 2163 🔗

Agree with you on this one. If a really harsh lockdown was introduced, the zealots would just lap it up and when it didn’t work the argument would still be that it was the fault of the non-compliant. It could end up with calls for a “final solution” of eliminating the non-compliant to “save” everyone else. I used to avoid Nazi analogies but 1930s Germany moved quite quickly from smashing Jewish-owned shops to killing the owners.

318059 ▶▶▶▶ TimeIsNow, replying to AnotherSceptic, 5, #1351 of 2163 🔗

A ‘real’ harsh lockdown that really stopped all contact would be a different beast compared to the middle class only home baking fest in the spring. No police, fire service, hospitals or supermarkets. Power, water and internet fail after a couple of weeks because maintenance stops. Rubbish piling up and impossible to buy food, drink and fuel. I don’t think any country has actually tried this. Our course of action continues to be causing the maximum harm for the least benefit. Stop it all today. Stop it.

317943 ▶▶▶ DRW, replying to Tom Blackburn, 9, #1352 of 2163 🔗

Be careful what you wish for, the sheeples’ continuing obedience will allow them to keep getting away with more and more.

317948 ▶▶▶ calchas, replying to Tom Blackburn, 2, #1353 of 2163 🔗

Agreed.

Stuff people’s throats with lockdowns till they can’t take any more.

It’s what people obviously want.

The harder the regime, the greater the reaction when it comes.

317958 ▶▶▶ John P, replying to Tom Blackburn, 2, #1354 of 2163 🔗

We’ve had nine months of proof Tom.

317959 ▶▶▶ Luckyharry69, replying to Tom Blackburn, 3, #1355 of 2163 🔗

me too…I would love to see a TOTAL lockdown…the BBC/sport/Media/all the institutions for 6 months?the supermarkets having to share the shopping load so people have NO CHOICE/Amazon closed….EVERYBODY etc etc..lets see where that takes us?…towards Cuba probably

317965 ▶▶▶▶ calchas, replying to Luckyharry69, 1, #1356 of 2163 🔗

Yes – everything at absolutely barebones level.

Everybody to get 100% of salary printed up by the Bank Of England.

We would then be able to stop 90 % of public transport.

317979 ▶▶▶▶▶ Luckyharry69, replying to calchas, 3, #1357 of 2163 🔗

we are heading that way…a ‘socialist’ state…….it started with John Major 30 years ago…….

317972 ▶▶▶▶ RickH, replying to Luckyharry69, 4, #1358 of 2163 🔗

Don’t insult Cuba – they had a real infection to deal with – the U.S.

318003 ▶▶▶▶ John P, replying to Luckyharry69, 2, #1359 of 2163 🔗

Fuck off. They’d love it. I don’t want any lockdown.

318006 ▶▶▶▶▶ Luckyharry69, replying to John P, 2, #1360 of 2163 🔗

I was being somewhat ‘ironic’ John

317957 ▶▶ RickH, replying to AnotherSceptic, 3, #1361 of 2163 🔗

Well – I guess that’s Witch craft for you – the alternative to Science.

317975 ▶▶ Luckyharry69, replying to AnotherSceptic, 1, #1362 of 2163 🔗

please dont call her ‘Nicola’

318001 ▶▶▶ John P, replying to Luckyharry69, 3, #1363 of 2163 🔗

“fishface”?

318094 ▶▶▶ AnotherSceptic, replying to Luckyharry69, #1364 of 2163 🔗

Sorry, I usually call her the little dictator, or el Presidente Sturgeon, or the stupid wee boot, plus other names.
I didn’t mean to call her by her first name, I was just very very angry after I seen that.
Apologies.

318286 ▶▶ Silke David, replying to AnotherSceptic, 1, #1365 of 2163 🔗

In their further analysis, are they looking at the persons who present with this strain? Their – if – symptoms, duration and severeness of illness?
I hope so, and hopefully it confirms that this strain is less “dangerous”!

317936 calchas, replying to calchas, 6, #1366 of 2163 🔗

“Johns Hopkins University’s student newspaper, the News-Letter , reported on a university presentation stating that COVID-19 “had no effect on the percentage of deaths of older people” and that the virus “has also not increased the total number of deaths” in comparison to historical data . However, the paper later removed the article, stating that it had been used to support “dangerous inaccuracies” on social media.”

…..
“Briand told Campus Reform that the News-Letter ’s decision to remove the article was its own, and pointed out that she explained “during the presentation where I found and downloaded the data from, so anyone can easily replicate my analysis.” “

https://www.zerohedge.com/covid-19/johns-hopkins-newspaper-removes-study-examining-covid-death-rate

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317950 ▶▶ Tyneside Tigress, replying to calchas, 4, #1367 of 2163 🔗

Thanks. Censorship in action!

318015 ▶▶▶ Basics, replying to Tyneside Tigress, 2, #1368 of 2163 🔗

Living in a serialisation of 1984

317967 richard riewer, replying to richard riewer, 4, #1370 of 2163 🔗

Sir Colin Davis ‘The Spirit of Christmas’. London Symphony Orchestra, John Alldis Choir. Forty-seven glorious minutes of great Christmas tunes.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2TpPOhnw2V8

317971 ▶▶ Luckyharry69, replying to richard riewer, 1, #1371 of 2163 🔗

RIP Sir Colin

317986 ▶▶ RickH, replying to richard riewer, 12, #1372 of 2163 🔗

I think one of the massive losses at this time of year is real live music. I find it hard to listen to the recorded substitute, knowing what we are missing – and how people are willingly processing into the mental gas chamber.

318033 ▶▶▶ Alice, replying to RickH, 7, #1373 of 2163 🔗

I think for those like me, who are interested in visual arts, the greatest loss is not being able to just pop into an art gallery on the way somewhere, spontaneously, and to see artworks in real life

318162 ▶▶▶▶ RickH, replying to Alice, 2, #1374 of 2163 🔗

I’m sure that’s true, Alice. 2020 has been the year of the greatest cultural impoverishment that I can remember.

There’s a lot of anti-BBC feeling here. Justifiably.

But I remember a time when, despite the undoubted establishment bias of the BBC, there was a degree of balance – backed by a more varied printed media.

That has gone – I accidentally turned on BBC News tonight, and it is overwhelmingly propaganda as far as Covid is concerned. You would never believe that all-cause mortality is actually falling!

The fiction that has been created is all-embracing and universally impoverishing.

318238 ▶▶▶▶▶ Cranmer, replying to RickH, #1375 of 2163 🔗

Following the announcement that the government has pulled back from plans to defund the BBC, I suspect that this was part of a deal – if the BBC agreed to support the government’s fear propaganda on Covid, the Tories would in turn agree to keep the compulsory licence fee.

318069 ▶▶▶ Liz F, replying to RickH, 1, #1376 of 2163 🔗

Couldn’t agree more. I sing in a choir and we’ve had four concerts cancelled this year. I miss it more than I can say.

318246 ▶▶▶▶ Cranmer, replying to Liz F, 2, #1377 of 2163 🔗

I find myself dreaming of singing in part-harmony. Our little parish church choir was tiny (sometimes only three people) but we still managed Choral Evensong in three parts. The church is so small that they can’t, apparently, ‘socially distance’ the choir. I can’t see that coming back now, to be honest.

318090 ▶▶▶ Edward, replying to RickH, #1378 of 2163 🔗

I still listen to lots of recorded music, but I’ve pretty much given up on live streaming (or catching up on it later) as it’s a poor substitute for attending a concert. If I’m listening at home I may as well do other things at the same time instead of staring at a screen.

318829 ▶▶▶ Cheshirecatslave, replying to RickH, #1379 of 2163 🔗

It’s bliss to hear the organ at church.

317987 ▶▶ Luckyharry69, replying to richard riewer, 2, #1380 of 2163 🔗

I often watch his Sibelius No 2/Proms performance with the Mahler/Euro Youth Orchestra from a few years ago…its very moving.On You Tube

317969 A. Contrarian, replying to A. Contrarian, 16, #1381 of 2163 🔗

Sitrep from the heartlands of the Infected Zone, deepest darkest Tier 4.

Drove out from the nothern commuter belt (is it still called the commuter belt, now that no one actually commutes any more?) today to meet people for a walk in a Tier 2 area. Initially planned to take the back roads, but couldn’t be bolloxed in the end so did M25 and M40 as usual.

Just where are all those people going ?! Literally nothing is open! And to think I was worried about sticking out like a sore thumb and getting police checked. Traffic was free-flowing (which of course is, or was, unusual for the M25) but constant – all lanes full. Car after car after car. Others escaping to the temporary reprieve of Tier 2 perhaps?

After about the third “Stay Home Tier 4” sign, I was tempted to take a swipe at one as I drove past.

It was strange to see people sitting in restaurants and cafes, and browsing the shops for their Christmas shopping. Stuff is actually open! It’s only been 4 days since I was in Tier 2 myself but it feels like a lifetime away. I gazed upon the residents in awe – envying them their normal lives – before remembering, of course, that Tier 2 is in fact far from normal. That’s what the govt plan is I suppose, to normalise living like this, and it feels like it might be working.

Nice to get out, but overall a depressing day, arriving back and seeing all the cars crammed into the local retail park because Sainsbury’s is now literally the last place we’re allowed to go.

318043 ▶▶ Sue, replying to A. Contrarian, 2, #1382 of 2163 🔗

it we were in usa i’m sure that those signs saying ‘stay at home’ would have been shot multiple times!

317977 chris, replying to chris, 8, #1383 of 2163 🔗

Anyone think PRC will atack ROC on Jan 21st? Wikipedia is laying out the ground, just read it. Biden is now a chy-nese asset and will do nothing. Only Trump + US military can stop CCP world domination. Boris, Macron, Merkel in cahoots to sell out UK to become another EU dominion. False flags everywhere.

317994 ▶▶ Cranmer, replying to chris, 1, #1384 of 2163 🔗

There’s certainly trouble brewing in the USA, whatever happens. If the accusations of the Dems cheating is upheld, or if it turns out the Trump team has been making it all up. Neither is going to have a good outcome.

318058 ▶▶▶ RickH, replying to Cranmer, 1, #1385 of 2163 🔗

2021 – The year of unending shit-shows.

318070 ▶▶▶ nottingham69, replying to Cranmer, 2, #1386 of 2163 🔗

The cheating certainly isn’t made up.

318146 ▶▶▶▶ Carrie, replying to nottingham69, 1, #1387 of 2163 🔗

Exactly!

318084 ▶▶▶ Darryl, replying to Cranmer, 1, #1388 of 2163 🔗

The media and lots of senior Republicans have clearly decided it is time for regime change – thats all that matters.

If Trump is as smart as people think I am staggered he allowed mass postal voting and hackable voting machines. Also why did he let the Covid scam perpetuated by the CDC take such a hold.

Biden is going to be incredibly tyrannical – expect plenty of wars and false flag events.

318152 ▶▶▶▶ Carrie, replying to Darryl, 1, #1389 of 2163 🔗

It is said that Trump has all the real data from the night of the election and that he allowed this to happen in order to reveal the depth of the ‘swamp’..

318178 ▶▶▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Carrie, 2, #1390 of 2163 🔗

Well let’s hope he pulls it off!

318158 ▶▶▶▶ Bugle, replying to Darryl, #1391 of 2163 🔗

Agree particularly with your second paragraph.

318753 ▶▶▶▶ Nigel Sherratt, replying to Darryl, #1392 of 2163 🔗

Biden isn’t going to be anything, he’s gaga.

318767 ▶▶▶▶ Johnb, replying to Darryl, #1393 of 2163 🔗

If Trump is as smart as people think I am staggered he allowed mass postal voting and hackable voting machines.

These things are in the hands of the individual states I believe. e.g. Florida did well on preventing postal voting fraud.

317997 ▶▶ DRW, replying to chris, 1, #1394 of 2163 🔗

Congress still has to certify Biden’s “win” in the new year, that could be interesting.

318008 ▶▶▶ Bugle, replying to DRW, 7, #1395 of 2163 🔗

Trump can implement his State of Emergency (2018) and bring in martial law. He can then get a free and fair election done, supervised by the military. Hope he does.

318041 ▶▶▶▶ Mark, replying to Bugle, #1396 of 2163 🔗

LOL! Now that would really put the cat among the pigeons.

But I don’t think the US is anywhere near the Spanish 1936 situation, though some of the broad shapes of that situation can be discerned, and I doubt Trump would be capable of pulling off what Franco did anyway. Imo we’d need a couple of radical Democrat election wins, with significant economic collapse and some really widespread BLM/antifa mass murderous thuggery, to bring us to the point where such a move could succeed. Then, the man would need to come to match the hour also, or there would be a general collapse into Maoist revolutionary turmoil.

There might come a day in our lifetimes when that will happen. But it is not, I think, this day.

318072 ▶▶▶▶▶ Bugle, replying to Mark, 3, #1397 of 2163 🔗

Well, all the pieces are in place: the executive order, the Pentagon under new leadership. Trump can argue that the Supreme Court has failed in its duty, Bill Barr similar, federal and state judiciaries compromised. What are the prospects for America if Trump does not act? What are the prospects for Republicans, patriots, blue-collar workers?

318081 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Mark, replying to Bugle, 1, #1398 of 2163 🔗

I don’t think enough of the Republican hierarchies would back Trump to bring the military on board (a lot of the military high command are Democrat placemen, as well, remember), and the states would mostly refuse to back him.

Things are bad, but they aren’t nearly bad enough yet for that kind of solution to be supported, imo.

318150 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Bugle, replying to Mark, 3, #1399 of 2163 🔗

If Trump does not act, western democracy is over.

318243 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Mark, replying to Bugle, #1400 of 2163 🔗

Perhaps, though there’s a lot of ruin in a superpower and it might be a while yet before things come to a head. Other opportunities might arise. Trump will not necessarily be the last or best opportunity to turn things around.

318159 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Carrie, replying to Bugle, 3, #1401 of 2163 🔗

The release of the list of CCP members in influential positions in the US, and in other western countries, was both enlightening and worrying..

318083 ▶▶▶▶ Jaguarpig, replying to Bugle, #1402 of 2163 🔗

But he won’t already bought off

318102 ▶▶▶▶ Darryl, replying to Bugle, 1, #1403 of 2163 🔗

God help us if they have Martial Law to sort out an election, it really is banana republic stuff. Probably getting to the stage where states are better off breaking away. The CIA and deep state seem to be in control no matter who is in power officially – and no one gets to have a say on that.

318144 ▶▶▶▶▶ Bugle, replying to Darryl, 1, #1404 of 2163 🔗

That’s it. Trump has taken on the CIA.

Which is better: totalitarianism (Biden), martial law (Trump) or civil war? I say option 2, so long as a free and fair election is called.

318161 ▶▶▶▶▶ Carrie, replying to Darryl, #1405 of 2163 🔗

He can use the insurrection act without bringing in martial law..

318175 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Bugle, replying to Carrie, #1406 of 2163 🔗

Point.

317998 ▶▶ John P, replying to chris, 1, #1407 of 2163 🔗

What’s this bullshit? Wikipedia can be edited by anyone.

318012 ▶▶▶ Luckyharry69, replying to John P, 1, #1408 of 2163 🔗

Have a beer and chill John for God’s sake…..

318014 ▶▶▶ chris, replying to John P, #1409 of 2163 🔗

Just read the Wiki entry and ask who and why.

317999 ▶▶ Bugle, replying to chris, 5, #1410 of 2163 🔗

Trump is all that stands between us and unending darkness.

318055 ▶▶▶ RickH, replying to Bugle, 4, #1411 of 2163 🔗

Sorry. Had to laugh at that one – unending dimness as a barrier against everlasting darkness!

318078 ▶▶▶▶ Bugle, replying to RickH, #1412 of 2163 🔗

Maybe so. But even if Trump is dim – which I doubt – do you not suppose there are some sharp operators on his team?

318076 ▶▶▶ Kevin 2, replying to Bugle, 1, #1413 of 2163 🔗

Without being any sort of Trump apologist, I agree with you.

318080 ▶▶▶▶ Bugle, replying to Kevin 2, 1, #1414 of 2163 🔗

Speaking as a Trump apologist – thank you.

318016 ▶▶ Les Tricoteuses, replying to chris, #1415 of 2163 🔗

Which page?

318063 ▶▶▶▶▶ Les Tricoteuses, replying to chris, 2, #1418 of 2163 🔗

Interesting. Who’d have thought that less testing would lead to less “cases”

318042 ▶▶▶▶ Les Tricoteuses, replying to chris, #1419 of 2163 🔗

Thanks, will read. My dad is of the opinion that China will not invade but the Taiwanese leadership will do a deal to reunify.

318089 ▶▶▶▶▶ chris, replying to Les Tricoteuses, #1420 of 2163 🔗

thanks, I am not an expert but I believe I can see a bigger picture. Deals are the globalist’s MO

318254 ▶▶▶▶▶ Mark, replying to Les Tricoteuses, #1421 of 2163 🔗

That’s my expectation as well.

318073 ▶▶ Mark, replying to chris, 1, #1422 of 2163 🔗

Anyone think PRC will atack ROC on Jan 21st?

I’ll take that bet, if you think it’s a possibility.

Admittedly I’ve stopped paying much attention to foreign affairs this year, due to more pressing concerns in this country, but I doubt the hard facts have changed much in that time. Still far too dangerous militarily for China to attack Taiwan unless their hand is forced by formal recognition or too much arming, and they presumably still see it as better to wait while circumstances move in their direction.

The are in the process of overtaking the US economically, but military power is a lag indicator and they still lack the ability to match US military capabilities in key areas.

Time is still clearly on their side. Why would they court disaster in that situation?

As for our side, it’s likely a war with rising China will be every bit as disastrous for the US even if it “wins” as the wars against rising Germany and Japan were for us. Better hope it doesn’t come to pass.

318075 ▶▶ Jaguarpig, replying to chris, 2, #1423 of 2163 🔗

We couldn’t stop a piss up in a brewery we have no affective military left a leaky out of date carrier with 2 duff yank planes that cost fuck knows how much.

318095 ▶▶▶ Mark, replying to Jaguarpig, 7, #1424 of 2163 🔗

The saddest part is that our elites are probably still stupid enough to stick our noses in (jammed into Washington’s backside as they are), as though who runs Taiwan is of the slightest concern to us when our own country is descending into authoritarian hysterics and economic absurdity.

318155 ▶▶▶▶ Jaguarpig, replying to Mark, 2, #1425 of 2163 🔗

Spot on, my MP in the second Iraq war crime was Geoff Hoon a more pompous cunt than you would think possible, loved being in the limelight.

318118 ▶▶▶ chris, replying to Jaguarpig, 4, #1426 of 2163 🔗

My Dad was in the 8th Army in N africa. Later he was in charge of Polaris missile operational preparedness. Then the UK was a nation ready and able to defend itself. Now the EU wants to steal our (US) military technology using a serial adulterer (Boris). CORRUPTION is our weakness, exploted by the CCP and others.

318125 ▶▶▶▶ Bugle, replying to chris, 1, #1427 of 2163 🔗

Corruption is everybody’s weakness. The whole situation is traceable to it.

317982 CGL, replying to CGL, 5, #1428 of 2163 🔗

Just got the letter from the school about the testing (LFT and they are voluntary – so guess what we won’t be doing!). Anyway, what do you lovely lot make of this statement in the said letter:-

“We know these tests work – in validation studies conducted by Oxford University and Public Health England, they were shown to be as accurate in identifying a case as a PCR test (99.68% specificity). The tests have lower sensitivity but they are better at picking up cases when a person has higher viral load, hence the need to test frequently.”

318047 ▶▶ Steeve, replying to CGL, 1, #1429 of 2163 🔗

What do you think the uptake will be? Are they on a regular basis or just one off?

318053 ▶▶▶ CGL, replying to Steeve, 2, #1430 of 2163 🔗

It will be weekly I think yes. I have no idea what the uptake will be, but from this household it will be zero. At least it’s voluntary (for the moment)

318067 ▶▶▶▶ Steeve, replying to CGL, 1, #1431 of 2163 🔗

Thanks for the reply – I presume this is secondary education ?

318079 ▶▶▶▶▶ CGL, replying to Steeve, 2, #1432 of 2163 🔗

Correct – yes – I can’t wait for a couple of years time when I will never have to deal with the education system again. I’m not getting involved with their universities if they go – they can do that themselves.

318111 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ DRW, replying to CGL, 2, #1433 of 2163 🔗

I would not recommend it- Zoom University is a bad joke.

318174 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to DRW, 2, #1434 of 2163 🔗

I can’t even start to imagine it. I hate zoom meetings at the best of times.

318180 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ DRW, replying to Cheezilla, 3, #1435 of 2163 🔗

We don’t use zoom specifically but it’s still a load of shite that I’ve grown to despise. Can’t wait until I’m done with it.

318126 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Steeve, replying to CGL, 2, #1436 of 2163 🔗

Thanks for post and all the best for the next weeks, months etc!

318051 ▶▶ CGL, replying to CGL, #1437 of 2163 🔗

It is this paragraph that worries me, as the percentage specificity makes it look like it’s more accurate than it is, and I get confused myself – I just know it doesn’t mean what he thinks it means (to paraphrase Inigo Mantoya):-
We know these tests work – in validation studies conducted by Oxford University and Public Health England, they were shown to be as accurate in identifying a case as a PCR test (99.68% specificity). The tests have lower sensitivity but they are better at picking up cases when a person has higher viral load, hence the need to test frequently.”

318271 ▶▶▶ Silke David, replying to CGL, 2, #1438 of 2163 🔗

I would assume a person who tests positive with a high viral load here will consequently develop symptoms, unless they have great immune system. In both cases they would develop immunity and cannot transmit any live virus.

So why more frequent testing? Unless they mean every day for 2 weeks, by then the body has killed the virus.

Typical contradicting of the govt we have heard for 9 months now.

318056 ▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to CGL, 1, #1439 of 2163 🔗

I’d translate that as they pick up genuine infections = high viral load. I can’t see how that’s less accurate than a 45ct PCR test that picks up any old dead debris.

More frequent LFT testing therefore is presumably because of the mythological asymptomatic transmission.

318086 ▶▶▶ CGL, replying to Cheezilla, 4, #1440 of 2163 🔗

I had thought that LFT was less invasive but it’s still a nose and throat job by the sounds of it, so they’re definitely not getting our consent. My main objection is going along with the fraud at all though, just to bump up the false positives.

318110 ▶▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to CGL, #1441 of 2163 🔗

Exactly!

318122 ▶▶ Carrie, replying to CGL, 6, #1442 of 2163 🔗

the need to test frequently’…. *that is the aim* – we’ve already seen the plans for the covipass. They want to get young people accustomed to seeing this as ‘normal’ for access to everyday life…

318124 ▶▶ CGL, replying to CGL, 7, #1443 of 2163 🔗

I had already drafted an email a few days ago, when I saw this coming from the news. Have I got anything very wrong?:-

“There is no reason to test healthy (asymptomatic) people for anything, and particularly the young for a condition for which they are the demographic least affected. There is no scientific basis for the theory of asymptomatic spread – it is an extremely rare occurrence.

The only possible reason for these tests being forced, is to pump up the numbers of (false) positive ‘cases’ for the manipulated government graphs, and therefore keep the whole fraud going indefinitely. If the majority haven’t seen this by now, then there isn’t much point in an education system at all.

A ‘case’ is not a ‘case’ of any illness without symptoms – until March this year, no doctor would ever diagnose a ‘case’ of anything without symptoms being present.
A positive PCR test in the absence of symptoms, is therefore not a ‘case’. It is a screening tool, not to be used for diagnostic purposes – this is even stated on the label on the test and on the PCR machine.

PCR tests are the biggest fraud in this whole fiasco – there is currently a class action being carried out in Germany by Dr Reiner Fuellmich against Christian Drosten, concerning the misuse of these tests. Without them, we would not have had this casedemic. No global pandemic has ever left the world with lower than average all-cause mortality before, so this year’s problems cannot be defined as a pandemic in any real sense. If we had a ‘spike’ in the UK, it ended in May, and what we have now is a seasonal resurgence, that will happen every year at this time as for every respiratory illness. Flu has been all but eradicated according to the official statistics, you may be interested to know.”

318131 ▶▶▶ John P, replying to CGL, 1, #1444 of 2163 🔗

Sounds about right. Ensure you reference it though.

318138 ▶▶▶▶ CGL, replying to John P, #1445 of 2163 🔗

Sorry – which bit?

318764 ▶▶▶▶▶ Johnb, replying to CGL, #1446 of 2163 🔗

Asymptomatic spread ? PCR = rubbish ?

318141 ▶▶▶ Carrie, replying to CGL, 6, #1447 of 2163 🔗

As I’m sure has been said before – if it were not for the government pronouncements, helpfully transmitted via the MSM, would anyone be aware that the world was supposedly in the grip of a ‘pandemic’ at the moment?
Surely one would only think something was ‘up’ if there were literally bodies in the streets and a lot of your close friends were dying… which is *not* happening…

318157 ▶▶▶▶ CGL, replying to Carrie, 3, #1448 of 2163 🔗

Yes – there is another bit actually where I say that :
There is no basis in science for these tests being carried out at a population level – it is a meaningless exercise, as we have seen all year by there being hundreds of thousands of ‘cases’ but very few sick or dying people

And then I mention that the world in on course for a low all-cause mortality for the year – not exactly pandemic-like

318170 ▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to CGL, 2, #1449 of 2163 🔗

Add the link to the recent WHO guidance about only testing symptomatic patients.

https://www.who.int/news/item/14-12-2020-who-information-notice-for-ivd-users

318200 ▶▶▶▶ CGL, replying to Cheezilla, #1450 of 2163 🔗

Thank you – good idea

318139 ▶▶ Leemc23, replying to CGL, 2, #1451 of 2163 🔗

That is a complete lie. The Government’s published a paper that said 95% in lab conditions. That’s it. Ignore it or send them the document from SAGE. Good luck.

318147 ▶▶▶ CGL, replying to Leemc23, #1452 of 2163 🔗

That’s what I thought. I’m crap at the specificity calcs. Will have to find an example somewhere. I think they’ve put that % in there so that people think that it’s 97% accurate. Which is what most people think isn’t it.

317993 Ceci, replying to Ceci, 23, #1453 of 2163 🔗

BBC article

UK to face worst recession in 300 years as Covid crisis continues. The “economic emergency” caused by Covid-19 has only just begun, according to chancellor Rishi Sunak, as he warned the pandemic would deal lasting damage to growth and jobs. Official forecasts now predict the biggest economic decline in 300 years.

So what happened in 1720?

Answer: The mass hysteria and super fraud of the South Sea Bubble

Couldn’t make it up

317995 ▶▶ John P, replying to Ceci, 1, #1454 of 2163 🔗

Is this article from the Summer?

318011 ▶▶▶ Ceci, replying to John P, 2, #1455 of 2163 🔗

April

318000 ▶▶ DRW, replying to Ceci, 15, #1456 of 2163 🔗

Not “pandemic”, LOCKDOWNS.

318048 ▶▶▶ Jaguarpig, replying to DRW, 3, #1457 of 2163 🔗

Too right

318213 ▶▶ Cranmer, replying to Ceci, 2, #1458 of 2163 🔗

I understood that the 300 years thing referred to the Great Frost of 1709, which pretty much destroyed the British economy.

318216 ▶▶ Banjones, replying to Ceci, 2, #1459 of 2163 🔗

”Caused by….” As you say – couldn’t make it up.

318010 Major Panic, replying to Major Panic, 7, #1460 of 2163 🔗

Viva la revolución

318019 ▶▶ annie, replying to Major Panic, 5, #1461 of 2163 🔗

Sí, cuanto antes.

318027 Awkward Git, 6, #1462 of 2163 🔗

Knew I’d find it again the video with the “new normal” being mentioned last year and earlier.

Took me longer than I thought it would but it’s on here (the news report about halfway in) but also includes the Irish leader talking about it at a Bill Gates/WEF meeting last year and someone else back in 2012 which is a plus.

https://twitter.com/lyne_ian/status/1341387185447059457

Explains why the Republic is so hung ho and pro-narrative on it all.

318030 Simon Cook, replying to Simon Cook, 27, #1463 of 2163 🔗

Plans for 30-minute Covid testing in England halted amid accuracy fears
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/dec/22/plans-for-30-minute-covid-lateral-flow-tests-in-england-halted-over-accuracy-fears

I presume the issue being that not enough people test positive having used one.

318035 ▶▶ Major Panic, replying to Simon Cook, 10, #1464 of 2163 🔗

yes, according to the faulty LFT there is no global pandemic globally

318054 ▶▶ Dorian_Hawkmoon, replying to Simon Cook, 3, #1465 of 2163 🔗

Yep, too many negatives. They like tests that do more positives.

318064 ▶▶ Ceci, replying to Simon Cook, 2, #1466 of 2163 🔗

“But the plans were shelved within days of a phone call last week between the government and directors of public health, who raised concerns over accuracy.”

Highly suspicious

Who made the phone call and to whom?

“a phone call” What one phone call?

“within days of a phone call last week”

Why not just state the date the decision was made?

The Guardian description of the process could allow for the decision to have been made today or yesterday (but fool people into thinking the decision was made last week)

Was the decision made today or yesterday? and after the French insisted that these tests were required to allow lorry drivers to return to France

What are the advantages of causing mayhem in the South East?

318163 ▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Ceci, 2, #1467 of 2163 🔗

Brexit smokescreen – it will all be the fault of the French!

318172 ▶▶▶▶ Major Panic, replying to Cheezilla, #1468 of 2163 🔗

the cheese eating surrender monkeys

318334 ▶▶▶▶▶ ConstantBees, replying to Major Panic, #1469 of 2163 🔗

Don’t forget freedom fries! (chips)

318280 ▶▶ Ben, replying to Simon Cook, 4, #1470 of 2163 🔗

They’re fearful that the results may be too accurate and they won’t obtain the level of false positives they want?

318036 arfurmo, replying to arfurmo, 7, #1471 of 2163 🔗

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/women/life/lost-husband-son-in-law-covid-anyone-refuses-vaccine-can-answer/ (paywall) but comments not allowed so we can’t ask how old the husband was , how old the son in law was and whether had underlying health conditions. At her age, if the vaccine has side effects that don’t become apparent for a few years, she may not be around to experience them.

318071 ▶▶ Darryl, replying to arfurmo, 9, #1472 of 2163 🔗

Coercive propaganda. Don’t know why they sink to this low level – I think the middle classes and young are very keen on it, the level of street mask wearing is a giveaway.

318085 ▶▶ Poppy, replying to arfurmo, 43, #1473 of 2163 🔗

I bloody well will answer to her – if everyone else takes the vaccine then they’re not at risk from my disgusting, diseased, leper self, so why the hell do I need it as well? I am a healthy 22 year old who is minimally affected by Covid but presented with unknown long-term vaccine risks. Therefore, the risks of the vaccine, for me, outweigh the risks of the disease at this point in time. That’s MY personal health decision to make and she can absolutely get to fuck if she thinks she has the right to decide what goes into a stranger’s – my own – body.

318100 ▶▶▶ Bugle, replying to Poppy, 6, #1474 of 2163 🔗

Agree. I read somewhere that the so-called vaccine gives you a status similar to a genetically engineered tomato.

318101 ▶▶▶ dpj, replying to Poppy, 11, #1475 of 2163 🔗

And once again no mention of the fact that it is likely that a significant majority of the population are now immune without needing any medical intervention so are no risk to anyone by not accepting a ‘vaccine’

318093 ▶▶ Morse, replying to arfurmo, 10, #1476 of 2163 🔗

Comments were enabled earlier, some were hilarious, absolutely panning the stupid woman. Very few agreeing. Guess thats why they were disabled. Emotional blackmail of the finest order.

318113 ▶▶▶ Darryl, replying to Morse, 5, #1477 of 2163 🔗

Hopefully it will persuade a few more to cancel their subscriptions. The paper has plummeted in quality this year – completely sold out to the globalists.

318160 ▶▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Darryl, 1, #1478 of 2163 🔗

I forgot to cancel mine last month but I’m increasingly happy about having done so since. This last few days have been unbelievably bad.
I think I’ve only paid a couple of months full price, as I was on intro offers before then.
DT did do better than the Spectator. I’d had enough of that one halfway through my free intro month!

318336 ▶▶▶▶▶ Adamb, replying to Cheezilla, 1, #1479 of 2163 🔗

The Times is worse. Editorial the other day: “PM finally does the right thing on Christmas” or something like that. Didn’t read it obviously.

318230 ▶▶▶▶ Suzyv, replying to Darryl, 1, #1480 of 2163 🔗

Funny you mention this I cancelled my subscription just a week ago.

318099 ▶▶ TheOriginalBlackPudding, replying to arfurmo, 5, #1481 of 2163 🔗

The whole article is a big puff for her book (co-written with her daughter) about grieving. Hmmm….. Ignore.

318116 ▶▶▶ John P, replying to TheOriginalBlackPudding, #1482 of 2163 🔗

Stephen Fry?

318107 ▶▶ FenTyger, replying to arfurmo, 7, #1483 of 2163 🔗

Did have comments initially and there was no support for her , so they got dropped.
Poppy has about summed up the comments that I saw.

318169 ▶▶ Sarigan, replying to arfurmo, 2, #1484 of 2163 🔗

I lost my husband John, the love of my life, and then, weeks later, my wonderful son-in-law Andy. My daughter Catherine and I were just beginning to grapple with these losses when the pandemic was declared. Straight away we couldn’t hug or be hugged. Then we were confined by lockdown to our separate homes.

She mentions the the SIL sadly died in Feb and had toured China – would that not make him the first registered UK Covid death (previously thought to be 2nd March)?

318191 ▶▶▶ dpj, replying to Sarigan, #1485 of 2163 🔗

Yes, he is Andy Gill the rockstar who is thought to be potentially first UK victim. I think a member of the band’s crew also died or was seriously ill as well.

318212 ▶▶▶ Major Panic, replying to Sarigan, #1486 of 2163 🔗

good point

318227 ▶▶ Suzyv, replying to arfurmo, 1, #1487 of 2163 🔗

Someone needs to let this woman know that having this jab won’t stop her or anyone else catching and passing on the virus. So really what is the point- other than propaganda that anyone with half a brain can see right through.

318302 ▶▶ A. Contrarian, replying to arfurmo, 3, #1488 of 2163 🔗

I know elderly people who died from flu, but I don’t go around screaming at people who don’t have the flu vaccine.

318307 ▶▶ Ben, replying to arfurmo, 1, #1489 of 2163 🔗

No outrage against cigarettes or poverty

318057 Awkward Git, replying to Awkward Git, 19, #1490 of 2163 🔗

Mrs Awkward watching the evening news.

The “experts” they re talking to are data analysts. No medical people.

All I can say is I’m going for a beer, and “fuck the experts”.

I’m fed up listening to them.

318061 ▶▶ dpj, replying to Awkward Git, 7, #1491 of 2163 🔗

If there was only some professor somewhere that was good at analysing data and came from a medical background 🤔

318096 ▶▶▶ Major Panic, replying to dpj, 7, #1492 of 2163 🔗

a sort of centre for evidence based medicine type professor

unfortunately ‘evidence’ is an outlier of modern science

318115 ▶▶▶ IanE, replying to dpj, #1493 of 2163 🔗

There are, of course, plenty, but they know which side their bread is currently buttered on. If/when the vaccines develop major problems, a lot of bread slices are going to fall into the sheet, buttered side down!

318062 ▶▶ Major Panic, replying to Awkward Git, 1, #1494 of 2163 🔗

I hope their are some behavioural experts present to keep it all scientific

318108 ▶▶ IanE, replying to Awkward Git, #1495 of 2163 🔗

Yep; for some reason rusty pokers keep coming to mind.

318143 ▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to IanE, #1496 of 2163 🔗

Only rusty?

318210 ▶▶▶▶ Major Panic, replying to Cheezilla, #1497 of 2163 🔗

and blunt

318077 Nobody2020, replying to Nobody2020, 17, #1498 of 2163 🔗

Priti Patel states that the government objective is…

“to save lives and to keep people safe”

A meaningless statement with no parameters. How many lives and how safe is safe?

This is why there can be no end as there is no defined end point and people will blindly go along with it forever if needs be.

318087 ▶▶ Bugle, replying to Nobody2020, 2, #1499 of 2163 🔗

They won’t but it may be too late when they wake up.

318109 ▶▶▶ John P, replying to Bugle, #1500 of 2163 🔗

define “too late”

318127 ▶▶▶▶ DRW, replying to John P, 3, #1501 of 2163 🔗

When the full China-style dystopia is in place. Very hard to change much then.

318130 ▶▶ Ricky R, replying to Nobody2020, 8, #1502 of 2163 🔗

Only save lives from Covid. Lives lost to suicide, lack of treatment, cancer, isolation, poverty, anything but Covid really doesnt matter

318137 ▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Ricky R, 1, #1503 of 2163 🔗

In other words, they’re achieving neither of her stated goals.

318201 ▶▶ Cranmer, replying to Nobody2020, 3, #1504 of 2163 🔗

It’s just meaningless waffle beloved of government functionaries and Common Purpose types, like those stupid mottoes of councils etc, eg: ‘West Twatford Borough Council: encouraging safety and diversity for all’ etc.

318215 ▶▶ Dan Clarke, replying to Nobody2020, #1505 of 2163 🔗

What about cancer, car accidents, heart attacks, can she do anything about them

318239 ▶▶ Ned of the Hills, replying to Nobody2020, 1, #1506 of 2163 🔗

This is crude bit of analysis.

The 7 day average mortality figure last peaked on the 21st November at 487.

It looks to be climbing back to what it was.

The reported number of deaths between the 21st Nov. and the 22nd Dec. is 13,681

If there was no November lock down and the 487 figure had remained constant the total over the same period would have been 15,097.

15,097 – 13,681 = 1,461.

Is this a fair way to measure the number of lives the last lockdown saved?

If it is, clearly, the government could have saved more lives at a lower financial cost to the public purse and without the damage caused by a lockdown?

318299 ▶▶ A. Contrarian, replying to Nobody2020, 1, #1507 of 2163 🔗

I’m not being kept safe because at some point soon I will become suicidal from it all.

318311 ▶▶ Old Normal, replying to Nobody2020, 1, #1508 of 2163 🔗

I’d like to be kept safe by not sharing a supermarket with people who have germ-ridden rags on their faces and are touching them and everything in sight.

I guess that’s not what she meant?

318088 TheOriginalBlackPudding, replying to TheOriginalBlackPudding, #1509 of 2163 🔗

The Lancashire Hotpots (not “hotspots”) have a reassuring message for the children.

https://youtu.be/-sAvnhY0-5A

318133 ▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to TheOriginalBlackPudding, -1, #1510 of 2163 🔗

That’s brilliant! Thanks.
I suspect that will be my whatsapp christmas card this year!

318148 ▶▶▶ mjr, replying to Cheezilla, 1, #1511 of 2163 🔗

thats awful . reinforcing all the lockdown / covid crap . Lancashire Tosspots .

318623 ▶▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to mjr, #1512 of 2163 🔗

I assumed it was satire. Am I too cynical?

318787 ▶▶▶▶▶ TheOriginalBlackPudding, replying to Cheezilla, #1513 of 2163 🔗

I think it’s satirical. My take is that it is finely balanced, intending to look innocent whilst sending up all the biosecurity nonsense.
So I thought I’d put it out here for consideration.

318151 ▶▶ Basics, replying to TheOriginalBlackPudding, 1, #1514 of 2163 🔗

The description says it was played on BBC 6 radio channel.

318097 Londo Mollari, 4, #1515 of 2163 🔗

Some straight talking from Neil Oliver on Talk Radio. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I_HHiwi7Vy0

318098 mhcp, replying to mhcp, 13, #1516 of 2163 🔗

One of the great mysteries today is that it is believed that social distancing and mask wearing has reduced flu to almost nil.

Except one of the very papers used to justify wearing masks, which looked at patients with symptoms in Hong Kong, specifically pointed out that it was only coronaviruses that had a reduction with a mask. Flu and rhinoviruses were basically unaffected.

318112 ▶▶ Major Panic, replying to mhcp, 16, #1518 of 2163 🔗

or flu being mis-diagnosed as covid has reduced flu to almost nil

Can’t be – too fucking obvious

318120 ▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to mhcp, 2, #1519 of 2163 🔗

ooops! Bit of a dead giveaway.

318293 ▶▶ Ben, replying to mhcp, 1, #1520 of 2163 🔗

It says on the box, in clear text, for N95 masks that they do not protect against coronaviruses

318298 ▶▶ A. Contrarian, replying to mhcp, #1521 of 2163 🔗

I think Covid is just the dominant respiratory virus this year. Flu strains vary massively from year to year, disappear and then come back again.

318104 Fingerache Philip., replying to Fingerache Philip., 36, #1522 of 2163 🔗

MSM says if all goes well ,we shall achieve 67% herd immunity by July.
If we had carried as normal like we did during the Asian and Hong Kong flu’s, we would have achieved that NOW!!!

318106 ▶▶ Major Panic, replying to Fingerache Philip., 7, #1523 of 2163 🔗

yes, we did

318119 ▶▶ DRW, replying to Fingerache Philip., 21, #1524 of 2163 🔗

I would love to ask the natural immunity deniers what they think actually ended historical pandemics. Did the virus just eventually give up and went home?

318330 ▶▶▶ ConstantBees, replying to DRW, 2, #1525 of 2163 🔗

Good point. I’ll try to remember to use that one.

318165 ▶▶ Will, replying to Fingerache Philip., 5, #1526 of 2163 🔗

And half the number of people would have died.

318220 ▶▶ Jo Dominich, replying to Fingerache Philip., 4, #1527 of 2163 🔗

If the figures are to be believed and of course we do not, I guess we are rapidly running out of people hence the drive to start on the children, so I think we were at herd immunity in June.

318237 ▶▶▶ Norman, replying to Jo Dominich, 1, #1528 of 2163 🔗

‘Natural immunity’ is the term that should be used for it by bodies favouring a more constructive approach. Forget ‘herd immunity’ because of the mistakes made earlier in 2020.

318461 ▶▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Norman, 1, #1529 of 2163 🔗

According to the “scientists”, herd immunity is only achievable through vaccination and has potential side-effects.

Natural immunity, on the other hand ……

318295 ▶▶▶ A. Contrarian, replying to Jo Dominich, 2, #1530 of 2163 🔗

One theory I’ve seen re. the new mutant variant strain is that it appeared in London/SE first because they’d built up a decent level of natural immunity during the spring (hence the lack of noticeable second wave earlier in the autumn), therefore a faster spreading version would be favoured and outcompete others by being able to infect the remaining vulnerable population more easily.

No idea if it’s true but it does make some level of sense.

318294 ▶▶ A. Contrarian, replying to Fingerache Philip., 6, #1531 of 2163 🔗

BUT THINK OF ALL THE DEAD BODIES!!!

318114 Hubes, replying to Hubes, 13, #1532 of 2163 🔗

A comforting thought is that eventually human beings will be extinct and will go down as an insignificant blip in the history of planet earth. A truly dreadful species.

318140 ▶▶ John P, replying to Hubes, 3, #1533 of 2163 🔗

What sort of animal are you?

318219 ▶▶ annie, replying to Hubes, 3, #1534 of 2163 🔗

In geological perspective, the term of human existence on this planet won’t even be a blip. Overpopulation and environmental degradation will see us off within the next 200 years at the latest. And I agree, for the planet it will be good riddance.

318592 ▶▶▶ Just Ice, replying to annie, #1535 of 2163 🔗

Well the infertility side-effect for the vaccine might help with that – especially if, as I have heard suggested today, they start vaccinating school-children – we won’t see the impact of the vaccine for 20 years and we’ll have forgotten about this by then (or not?) Don’t allow your children to be vaccinated!!

318748 ▶▶▶ Nigel Sherratt, replying to annie, #1536 of 2163 🔗

There is less poverty and pollution than there has been for centuries.

318228 ▶▶ Banjones, replying to Hubes, 1, #1537 of 2163 🔗

”Dreadful”? It’s all relative. No doubt we had the opportunity to make it better, but I suppose that is only so in science fiction.

318236 ▶▶ Lockdown_Lunacy, replying to Hubes, 2, #1538 of 2163 🔗

Nah, there are plenty of fine specimens among our species.

318458 ▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Lockdown_Lunacy, 1, #1539 of 2163 🔗

It’s about time they showed themselves then!

318123 Old Bill, replying to Old Bill, 22, #1540 of 2163 🔗

I would be very surprised if this hasn’t been said before (I just can’t be bothered reading 1300+ posts to find out) but many of us thought that Bojo the Clown was a sort of self-deprecating comedy act and therefore thoroughly English. But no, it is actually real – he is a Clown. Even with his oversized clown shoes on he still manages to get both feet in his mouth at the same time.

If it wasn’t so tragic it would be funny.

Boris – The sheeple aren’t afraid enough, what can we do?

Hancock – Why not invent a new thoroughly evil mutant covid to frighten them?

Boris – Oh! Good one Matt. I’ll announce it right away, that will get the bastards trembling.

Out comes his foot and straight into his mouth it goes and down come the shutters at every border we trade with or visit.

So what is this faux pas going to cost? No idea, but the overall cost of his toe-sucking incompetence can be roughly calculated even by me.

Latest estimates of borrowing since April (so not even a whole year) 246 Billion. Estimated UK population 67 Million. Therefore we all owe approx £3671 each so far. But that is not the end is it.

The wealthiest 10% of the nation don’t pay tax because they don’t feel like it. The poorest 10% don’t pay tax because they don’t have any money, so that only leaves 80% at best, so redo the maths and we all owe £4589 each – so far.

Now I have a solution. For the merest fraction of that amount we can hire a mercenary army to take out the entire cabal along with every brain dead MP that hasn’t either spoken out against them or joined the Covid Recovery Group.

So send your donations to oldbill@privatearmy.co.uk and I will take care of it.

Just imagine seeing the heads of all the mindless incompetents on the spikes of Traitor’s Gate!!

Hell, to witness that spectacle I would even visit London, and I can’t begin to tell you how much I detest London.

318211 ▶▶ Jo Dominich, replying to Old Bill, 2, #1541 of 2163 🔗

don’t forget also the big LIE has also tanked the stock exchange and Sterling.

318240 ▶▶ Banjones, replying to Old Bill, 1, #1542 of 2163 🔗

I’m sure it’s WAY out of their clammy hands, and has been for a while. They’ve just been posturing and blathering – and in Madge’s case posing and simpering prettily.
They’ve been allowed to see themselves as important, and to make the sheep see them like that too. It’d be sad if it weren’t so dangerous.

318242 ▶▶▶ Banjones, replying to Banjones, 6, #1543 of 2163 🔗

PS Our MP voted FOR the lockdown and then immediately joined the CRG, saying she thought we needed the time to get the act together (or some such innanity). How is THAT for hypocrisy?

318128 T. Prince, replying to T. Prince, 42, #1544 of 2163 🔗

Saw this comment on another site, great summary….

Effectively, Boris is happy to pay the following price for ‘protecting our NHS’:

Projected £500 billion extra borrowing.

Hundreds of thousands made unemployed.

Travel industry decimated.

Ditto hospitality industry.

Tens of thousands of small/medium businesses going down the pan.

A surge in suicides and mental health problems.

A timebomb of 200,000 estimated excess deaths due to untreated serious il