2020-12-23

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318896 NorthumbrianNomad, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, 199, #1 of 2095 🔗

Robert West’s (SAGE) warning quoted in yesterday’s update is very instructive: “It [a zero covid strategy] sounds expensive but the alternative could well be a catastrophic collapse in confidence in the country’s ability to control the virus and the economic, human and social disaster that would follow.”

By “country” he of course means “government and establishment”. So the economic, human and social disaster he’s talking about is the loss of popular faith in government’s ability to protect.

This is a nobleman at Canute’s shoulder, saying, “Try again! Try harder! If people think you can’t do this, it’ll be an economic, human and social disaster!” And sadly instead of the pragmatic Viking Canute, who’d have burst out laughing and walked away, we have Boris Johnson, who believes it his manifest destiny to control the tides. That he’s on the brink of wrestling the tides to the ground. That a bugle call is about to announce his final, triumphant charge against the tides, to be celebrated by the panegyrists for generations to come. Just one more push. Next time, lads, we’ve got this.

West’s tantrum is deranged: the real “economic, human and social disaster” is already upon us, and it’s being caused by the government’s attempt to prove it can turn the tides. His outburst is also unbelievably psychologically childish. Politically, it’s a return to absolutism and the model of monarch as parent and subject as child. And it explains the infantilizing approach of the catastrophically successful terrorization campaign. If people’s faith in daddy government’s and mummy NHS’ ability to protect them is lost, that will be healthy and good and long overdue.

SAGE is not dealing in science. It’s dealing in 20th-psychological mumbo-jumbo and 17th-century French political philosophy.

318899 ▶▶ Judy Watson, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, 27, #2 of 2095 🔗

Well said, sadly the sheeple will still believe it

319354 ▶▶▶ Sir Patrick Vaccine, replying to Judy Watson, 9, #3 of 2095 🔗

A Communist Christmas for you
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=erAYITZRdJk
AwakenWithJP

320786 ▶▶▶ Gleepoid, replying to Judy Watson, #4 of 2095 🔗

Therein lies the real problem

318901 ▶▶ NorthumbrianNomad, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, 9, #5 of 2095 🔗

Edit: I mean, of course, “20th-century psychological mumbo-jumbo”.

318905 ▶▶▶ 2 pence, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, 2, #6 of 2095 🔗

Ohh F.Off NN!
I d like to be there L
What
s the weather like Thailand ?
Don`t tease us.

318908 ▶▶▶▶ NorthumbrianNomad, replying to 2 pence, 24, #7 of 2095 🔗

2pence, I have to level with you. There are worse places to be locked down.

318910 ▶▶▶▶▶ 2 pence, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, 5, #8 of 2095 🔗

Lovely!
Enjoy.

318917 ▶▶▶▶▶ Judy Watson, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, 3, #9 of 2095 🔗

I and many of my friends agree.

319227 ▶▶▶▶▶ Bella Donna, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, 5, #10 of 2095 🔗

That looks hellish, how can you stand it! 😵

318916 ▶▶ karenovirus, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, 37, #11 of 2095 🔗

Lockdown has always been a Public Relations operation.
As a Classicist johnson will be aware of the practice whereby Roman Generals routinely exaggerated the power of their barbarian enemies so that their subsequent Triumph through Rome would be enthusiastically cheered by crowds of admirers.

What a tosser.

319007 ▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to karenovirus, 18, #12 of 2095 🔗

That’s what he thinks. Unfortunately for him he’s like Honorious who was inflicted a crushing defeat by the Visigoths in 410AD which resulted in the sack of Rome.

And he will end up like those who have been assassinated by the Praetorian Guard.

320439 ▶▶▶▶ Adam, replying to Bart Simpson, 1, #13 of 2095 🔗

Johnson Hancock Witty Vallance’s positions are now untenable

320056 ▶▶▶ chaos, replying to karenovirus, 3, #14 of 2095 🔗

He got a 2:1. A good result but not a 1st. He’s full of shit.

318922 ▶▶ wendyk, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, 30, #15 of 2095 🔗

The Sturgeonator has been known to describe herself as ‘Scotland’s chief mammy’, in which case ,I’m a committed orphan!

318924 ▶▶▶ annie, replying to wendyk, 9, #16 of 2095 🔗

And the Scots are her grinning picaninnies. That fits all right.

318941 ▶▶▶▶ wendyk, replying to annie, 22, #17 of 2095 🔗

More’s the pity Annie. However, I’ve persuaded a friend to have a sneaky coffee chez moi today!

Every little helps.

318951 ▶▶▶▶▶ annie, replying to wendyk, 4, #18 of 2095 🔗

It does. It does.

319629 ▶▶▶▶ John P, replying to annie, 4, #19 of 2095 🔗

Charming.

And how is life in the Principality under prince Mark these days Annie?

Much bleating from the residents?

319799 ▶▶▶▶▶ annie, replying to John P, 10, #20 of 2095 🔗

Round our way the mood tends to dumb resignation, except among the ultrazombies, who are not in the majority but blight everything they touch. Others are waiting for the magic vaccine, much as people in a concentration camp, worn down by endless meaningless suffering, might await the coming of freedom with the Allied armies. Only to find that the Russians get there first.

Face knickers are universal inside. Much less so outside – not where I go, anyway. I go to places where dog owners congregate. Few zombies among them, praise be.

319812 ▶▶▶▶▶ richard riewer, replying to John P, 2, #21 of 2095 🔗

Only the sheeple.

319008 ▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to wendyk, 9, #22 of 2095 🔗

Thank the Lord Mr Bart and I are no longer in Scotland to listen to her nonsense.

319111 ▶▶▶ JanMasarykMunich, replying to wendyk, 5, #23 of 2095 🔗

Interesting that Merkel is commonly (and affectionately, it seems) known as ‘Mutti’ (Mummy).

319506 ▶▶▶▶ George L, replying to JanMasarykMunich, 3, #24 of 2095 🔗

Merkel is a globalist commie through and her communist past in East Germany has been pretty thoroughly wiped from the internet..

319761 ▶▶▶▶ wendyk, replying to JanMasarykMunich, 2, #25 of 2095 🔗

My version is Nutti

319492 ▶▶▶ J4mes, replying to wendyk, 9, #26 of 2095 🔗

The Sturgeonator, like her communist counterpart in Germany, Merkel, has been in a position of too much power in Scotland for too long. The damage done by the SNP must be irreparable.

319762 ▶▶▶▶ wendyk, replying to J4mes, 1, #27 of 2095 🔗

If only we had a convincing opposition with the moral courage to see her off.

318929 ▶▶ Ed Phillips, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, 65, #28 of 2095 🔗

This is a great post. It was West’s comments that prompted me to write the short comment I did yesterday: These people are psychopaths.

Ignore them. Live your life. Walk away from the TV. Hug your family, shake hands with strangers. Sing your heart out. These are the little things which make us human and these delusional madmen will not dictate our present or future.

318936 ▶▶ Bill Grates, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, 57, #29 of 2095 🔗

There’s a lot of news globally today on this aspect of WHO approval of the “zero covid” approach.
This could well be to soften people up for even more restrictive mayhem next year.
This isn’t supposed to end , we are the early stages of a complete restructuring of society. It has to be countered.

319645 ▶▶▶ John P, replying to Bill Grates, -7, #30 of 2095 🔗

Yes, it has to be countered, but the idea that this is all planned is

BULLSHIT

319958 ▶▶▶▶ Rowan, replying to John P, 11, #31 of 2095 🔗

The idea that it isn’t planned is utter bollocks. It’s all a scam and scams this big need many years of planning. They’ve been telling us for years just what they are up to, but it seems you weren’t listening.

320611 ▶▶▶▶ Lms23, replying to John P, 1, #32 of 2095 🔗

Then why was everything they’re doing predicted with great accuracy six months ago? Why are they seemingly following a predicted script?

https://computingforever.com/2020/05/14/the-people-we-were/
The People We Were (May 2020)

https://computingforever.com/2020/05/07/the-people-we-are-becoming/
The People We Are Becoming

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=aqMoxkHm3mQ
CovidPass is Coming Soon (August)

More at http://computingforever.com

320657 ▶▶▶▶ Bill Grates, replying to John P, 2, #33 of 2095 🔗

You are of course entitled to hold that view .
But,The vast bulk of evidence does point to the opposite and in fact what is being undertaken here is the well orchestrated and choreographed restructuring of the lives of the people of the World.

To read the musings of the creators of the forerunner incarnations of the UN ,who themselves were heavily indoctrinated by the 19C Marxist and Utopian ideologies, leaves no doubt as to the explicit intent to creat a one World system of control and government.
This is just the visible part .

The building blocks have been meticulously assembled over the decades and now the technology has reached the point where al these agendas are totally possible, they are also totally desirable by all the principal actors.

I don’t expect to change your opinion and I’m not listing documents, if you have faith in the low grade individuals like the politicians and public faces to all this thats fine. However the probable cause is there, the smoking gun is there, at the moment the victim is staggering but saveable . If you need to wait to see the body to be convinced it will be too late.

319821 ▶▶▶ richard riewer, replying to Bill Grates, 6, #34 of 2095 🔗

Civil Diobedience.

320678 ▶▶▶▶ Bill Grates, replying to richard riewer, 2, #35 of 2095 🔗

It must surely come to that , the present skirmishing isn’t going to achieve anything.
Only when/if a really significant mass of people are so far down they have nothing to lose will a turning point be reached.
The police/military will not supported the people unless they begin to suffer personally and the govts will go to great lengths to prevent that.

We have to hope people will turn before the “quarantine camps” are established.

319006 ▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, 11, #36 of 2095 🔗

Well said. Unfortunately the gullible and the sheep won’t take this on.

319649 ▶▶▶ John P, replying to Bart Simpson, -16, #37 of 2095 🔗

Plenty of idiots on here as well.

320624 ▶▶▶▶ Lms23, replying to John P, #38 of 2095 🔗

If you think we’re the only ones who have come to these conclusions, you’re mistaken. It’s going mainstream, e.g. Sky News Australia and Fox News, Glenn Beck, or do they not count because they have a particular political slant?

319068 ▶▶ Chris Hume, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, 4, #39 of 2095 🔗

Comment of the day. Already!

319236 ▶▶▶ Bella Donna, replying to sam, 9, #41 of 2095 🔗

I never liked Boris’s family and I like them even less now.

319332 ▶▶▶ Binra, replying to sam, #42 of 2095 🔗

There are those who HATE the ‘conspiring to control outcomes Theory’, and who read fiction or watch movies as if their own imagination – in and of which they think, perceive, predict, expect and accept as true.
They HATE such thought because 1. They have been told this is ‘Customary Procedure’ and 2. It might reveal them to their own imagination and they would no longer be ‘safe’ in the ‘what you are supposed to do to be safe’.

The intelligentsia seed memes as fiction and non faction, as part of groundbaiting the phishing to come.

The Virus needs to be investigated as a dramatic archetype, rather than via Expert Pronouncements over the the goats entrails or tea-leaves of computer modelling analysis of a protoplasmic soup (in which we live and move and have our expression and participation in life itself.

319824 ▶▶▶▶ richard riewer, replying to Binra, 7, #43 of 2095 🔗

Computer modelling has replaced examining goat entrails.

319964 ▶▶▶▶▶ Rowan, replying to richard riewer, 5, #44 of 2095 🔗

But is nowhere near as reliable.

319101 ▶▶ crimsonpirate, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, 10, #45 of 2095 🔗

nothing will change until there is a change of government-either here or in Europe provoked by the consequences of the pandemic. They cannot delay elections indefinitely.

319204 ▶▶▶ Mabel Cow, replying to crimsonpirate, 11, #46 of 2095 🔗

…at which point the sheeple will protest by voting in Kier Stalin. Then the liquidations can really begin.

319498 ▶▶▶ J4mes, replying to crimsonpirate, 7, #47 of 2095 🔗

We need far more than a change of government. The entire political system needs to be brought crashing down. You know as well as I know that if the Tories are not in power, Labour are there to make the switch.

It seems the local elections might still go ahead in a few months time – make sure to spoil the paper.

319620 ▶▶▶▶ Crystal Decanter, replying to J4mes, 7, #48 of 2095 🔗

Vote for the most reprehensible people possible
never laughed so hard when the BNP got into the EU Parliament
At this point Left or Right I would put the X next to anyone who will start hanging politicians

319691 ▶▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to J4mes, 6, #49 of 2095 🔗

There will be anti-lockdown candidates standing – maybe vote for them ?

320549 ▶▶▶ Binra, replying to crimsonpirate, #50 of 2095 🔗

More than a change of superstructure is called for.
Starmer could be groomed as the ‘saviour’ or good cop to the all out max damage possible under so called conservatives.

I think the process of democracy is being turned into its own spitting image so as to induce people to welcome technocratic rule with virtue signalling for carbon and biosecurity (sic).

Democracy will be reframed as ‘dangerous’ and unworkable, by those who make it so.

320808 ▶▶▶ TyLean, replying to crimsonpirate, #51 of 2095 🔗

I think you’ll find we already lost democracy some time ago.

319215 ▶▶ RickH, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, 22, #52 of 2095 🔗

SAGE is not dealing in science. It’s dealing in 20th-psychological mumbo-jumbo”

Indeed. As you say ‘zero Covid’ is the fantasy only of lunatics who need a straight jacket, not a laboratory for their activities.

319298 ▶▶ Binra, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, 4, #53 of 2095 🔗

King Canute sought to demonstrate the limits of power – presumably because too many around him assumed that as King he could make everything safe.
The modern iteration is a usurped sovereignty that feeds such magical superstition by using the law as a weapon against the people rather than as the protection for the people of the realm.
Likewise the mind as the means and medium of communication – both within and without – is being set in the use of its own lockdown, dissociation and masking over in magical thinking that of course is spellbound and unable to think or reflect upon its own capture.

“Everything is BACKWARDS; everything is upside down! Doctors destroy health, Lawyers destroy justice, Universities destroy knowledge, Governments destroy freedom, Major media destroys information, And religions destroy spirituality”. ~ Michael Ellner

But pause and consider whether in the haste of reaction to an already invested sense of self and world, we have not merely inverted our frame of reference,

The ability of the mind to ‘see’ according to predetermined primers or parameters, is then linked with its magnification and replication.

Looking for what is wrong, threatening, unlovely or hateful in any and every situation is a subconscious defence mechanism that runs beneath the surface, from a deeper sense of guilt and fear of exposure to pain and loss. It is part of a selfishness for survival in the human social world – that extended from the physical but in ways that have dissociated and alienated us from the direct presence of life.

Our social world can be seen as a modelling of predicates, parameters and projections.

In my posts I generally seek to invite looking at the mind that makes our world rather than ‘thinking’ in its program.

The experience of disclosure to ourselves includes a disintegration of our masking in a control reality – which has both inner masking from our being, and social presentations for acceptance and inclusion.

The loss of the illusion of control is seemingly regained by doubling down in a mind that rules out reality of being, so as to operate within a reduced framework of thought.

Take is an an offer or invitation, dressed up as a Very Persuasive Case.
But If you are not willing to deny yourself More and Even More – then of course.
Stop it and just Be.
Within being are other ways to see than WHO gets to Say What The Rules of The Game Are. And by releasing the tightness of such a mask, are other ways of seeing and being with people …and Everything.

319323 ▶▶ Kevin 2, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, 9, #54 of 2095 🔗

Agreed, it’s complete madness.
But it’s planned pre-meditated madness.

319514 ▶▶▶ J4mes, replying to Kevin 2, 8, #55 of 2095 🔗

I think it’s just as important to challenge those who call this tyranny ‘incompetence’ due to bad advice, as it is to defeat the lockdown zealots. This has been planned for a long time.

319413 ▶▶ Yawnyaman, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, 2, #56 of 2095 🔗

There is a circular reasoning to Robert West’s reasoning – the hysteria means that we have to calm it, but the only way to calm it is to feed the hysteria even more..

319427 ▶▶ Ben, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, 19, #57 of 2095 🔗

‘Zero Covid’ is the biggest lie in the world..

Might as well say ‘zero colds’ or ‘zero influenza’. Politicians know this can never be achieved.

The natural cycles of nature are being used to control us not any virus. This is fascism.

319462 ▶▶ J4mes, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, 5, #58 of 2095 🔗

I reject the idea that this totalitarian rule is being enforced due to bad advice – it’s ludicrous to think we have fast and increasingly lose our freedoms due to incompetence.

319994 ▶▶▶ Rowan, replying to J4mes, 4, #59 of 2095 🔗

The incompetence conspiracy theory was already blown out of the water by the middle of last April. Undoubtedly the UK government is a major actor in the globalist agenda to rid the world of the great bulk of its human inhabitants. It’s the only theory that holds water and the depopulation will be brought about by the unlicensed and liability free Covid-19 vaccines.

319486 ▶▶ Banjones, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, 8, #60 of 2095 🔗

It’s about time the ridiculous name ”SAGE” was dropped. Besides sounding more like something out of a James Bond novel (in other words, patronising the plebs) the final ‘E’ is now redundant, as was clearly shown by MPs fleeing their posts as soon as they could.

A ”pandemic” and a ”national emergency”? Tripe.

319787 ▶▶▶ Bugle, replying to Banjones, 2, #61 of 2095 🔗

STAGE?

319839 ▶▶▶▶ richard riewer, replying to Bugle, 2, #62 of 2095 🔗

S(T)AGE(D)

320087 ▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, #63 of 2095 🔗

Touched it there NN, I’ve never seen so many thumbs-up for a post here before.

320437 ▶▶ Adam, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, 2, #64 of 2095 🔗

though I am no a medical expert i don’t take any notice of the SAGE scare mongers and if any Tory MP’s look at My message will You please find some courage and remove Johnson,Hancock and SAGE then repeal all this nonsense replace with simple guidelines for people to follow thank you https://www.saveourrights.uk

318897 Judy Watson, replying to Judy Watson, 1, #65 of 2095 🔗

oops only 2nd today.!!!

318898 ▶▶ NorthumbrianNomad, replying to Judy Watson, 12, #66 of 2095 🔗

I was poised. I was going to post the above half an hour ago, but then I thought I’d wait and go all out for centre stage. (And here I am accusing SAGE of being childish…)

318900 ▶▶▶ Judy Watson, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, 1, #67 of 2095 🔗

5555 now off to immigration – aaarrrgghh!!!!

318902 ▶▶▶▶ NorthumbrianNomad, replying to Judy Watson, 4, #68 of 2095 🔗

Oh, good luck. I hope you’ve practised the special handshake so you don’t drop the folded banknotes.

318918 ▶▶▶▶▶ Judy Watson, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, 1, #69 of 2095 🔗

Not long got back – easy peasy – drive through 90 day report in Phuket

319011 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ NorthumbrianNomad, replying to Judy Watson, #70 of 2095 🔗

Very good. I have mine next week. Let’s hope the “Burmese seafood market outbreak” doesn’t put us all in lockdown again by then.

319521 ▶▶ J4mes, replying to Judy Watson, 1, #71 of 2095 🔗

Just think, if you’d posted something informative or interesting, people might have even appreciated your 2nd post!

318906 Allen, replying to Allen, 20, #72 of 2095 🔗

Part One:

Robin Monotti has a substantial batch of tweets today regarding “medical procedures and treatments” in nursing homes that led to euthanasia.

As this gruesome reality comes to the fore not only does the entire Covid narrative disappear but the criminality of what happened is exposed. Keep hammering on this point people- these acts were premeditated. An entire can of worms comes open when this aspect of the Covid scandal is highlighted.

Much has been written and much more will surface.

Very important to stress this aspect of what happened in March/April- it explains the ‘spike’ seen in the 6 week period. It also shows further the vulgar cynicism of those who were bullhorning “save grandma” even as they were involved in policies that were killing grandma.

This illustrates again that there was no epidemiological event whatsoever there were policies of administrative euthanasia implemented throughout the Western World.

Midazolam is one of the drugs used in prison executions.

“CARE homes have been accused of using powerful sedatives to make coronavirus victims die more quickly.

Prescriptions for the drug midazolam rocketed during the height of the pandemic, with some claiming it has “turned end-of-life care into euthanasia.”

“Official figures show 38,352 out-of-hospital prescriptions for midazolam were issued in April – more than double the February figure. The monthly average for the past five years in England was about 15,000.”

“Whistleblowers have also claimed to have witnessed the misuse of sedatives – with staff told to give them to dementia patients to stop them wandering the corridors.”

“Retired neurologist Professor Patrick Pullicino, who publicised the wrongful administration of powerful pain relief to patients “believed to be dying”: “Midazolam depresses respiration and it hastens death. It changes end-of-life care into euthanasia.”

On the 19th March 2020 the WHO released this guidance intended for healthcare workers (HCWs), healthcare managers and IPC teams at the facility level & at national and district/provincial level:

Section 5 of WHO guidance on treatment of severe Covid19 begins like this:

“Management of severe COVID-19: oxygen therapy and monitoring – Give supplemental oxygen therapy IMMEDIATELY to patients with SARI and respiratory distress, hypoxaemia or shock and target SpO2 > 94%.”

“Management of critical COVID-19: acute respiratory distress syndrome (ARDS) – Recognize severe hypoxemic respiratory failure..and prepare to provide advanced oxygen/ventilatory support. Endotracheal intubation should be performed by a trained and experienced provide”-Avoid disconnecting the patient from the ventilator, which results in loss of PEEP and atelectasis.

-Non-invasive ventilation (NIV) should be used only in selected patients with hypoxemic respiratory failure.” “There is no current evidence to recommend any specific anti-COVID-19 treatment for patients with confirmed COVID-19..ongoing clinical trials testing various potential antivirals; these are registered on clinical trials dot gov or on the
Chinese Clinical Trial Registry”

The WHO was pushing oxygen & ventilators already on March 6th.

Tedros was framing the narrative of life & death as ventilator-no ventilator, completely ignoring standard infection treatments.

Who was working with Tedros on the narrative that was to lead to disastrous intubations? The Gates & the Clinton’s.

And let’s not forget the role of Klaus Schwab in all of this.

(Cont.)

318989 ▶▶ TJS123, replying to Allen, 7, #73 of 2095 🔗

We need to be careful about this data as midazolam is also used as a treatment for prolonged seizures especially in children and people with learning disability who are often in care homes. Lockdown has caused enormous stress which increases seizure frequency and severity, so midazolam will be needed more often. A bad thing in itself but not quite the same as being used in the way described. We need to separate out the differentvreasons for prescribing it to get a clear picture.

319010 ▶▶▶ SweetBabyCheeses, replying to TJS123, 8, #74 of 2095 🔗

What I’m hearing is that lockdown is very stressful for people in care homes (inc. children and people with learning disabilities!) so we need to sedate them.
What we actually need to do is not inc. them in the lockdown. How have we got to the point where quality of life is no longer a concern?

320114 ▶▶▶ Angryphon of Tunbridge Wells, replying to TJS123, 1, #75 of 2095 🔗

Midazolam is used subcut or through a T34 syringe driver to ironically control breathlessness and agitation.In combination with diamorphine a quick exit follows.I witnessed what I could only describe as involuntary euthanasia.

318907 Allen, replying to Allen, 13, #76 of 2095 🔗

Part Two:

“The WHO further justified this approach by claiming that the less invasive positive air pressure machines could result in the spread of aerosols, potentially infecting healthcare workers with the virus.”

“This is more theoretical fear than a real fear,” Dr. David Hill, a pulmonary and critical care specialist who has experience treating COVID-19 patients, and who is a spokesperson for the American Lung Association, told Time Magazine.”

“Hysterical epidemiological modelers, the same ones that had just claimed millions of people were about to die from COVID-19 in the United States, took to claiming that there was a mass ventilator shortage in the United States.”

“The WHO recommendation has opened up a continuing conversation in the scientific community about the medical ethics of potentially unnecessarily harming a patient to hypothetically protect one’s colleagues from a virus (And one that is simply not that lethal”

China’s reports reference the WHO report above. It is clear that the WHO influenced China’s approach, and vice-versa, the reports from China then influenced the WHO.
CHINA & US, April 17th 2020: “Based on a Chinese expert consensus, it is recommended that invasive mechanical ventilation be the first choice for moderate or severe ARDS”

June 7 2020, Canada, US, Italy: “The initial message from the Chinese medical teams was to intubate early.This seemed to stem from the accurate observation that many of these patients deteriorated precipitously and that they may be more safely intubated at an earlier stage”

“However, this also can come at a cost. Mechanical ventilation is inherently associated with a number of well described and accepted complications such as ventilator associated pneumonia, ventilator-induced lung injury, hemodynamic disturbances..sedation and immobilization.”

June 20th: “What is new in the current study – Current experience suggests that many patients may avoid complications of mechanical ventilation and possibly avoid clinical deterioration by the use of non-invasive ventilatory support.”

Go here:

https://twitter.com/robinmonotti

318919 ▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Allen, 13, #77 of 2095 🔗

Our ‘critical shortage’ of ventilators disappeared very quickly after a couple of months. I expect that the medics on the front line realised the harm they could cause compared to non invasive procedures and started ignoring WHO guidelines.

318988 ▶▶ PastImperfect, replying to Allen, 11, #78 of 2095 🔗

“these acts were premeditated”

So was the removal of HCQ as an over-the-counter drug in France in FEBRUARY after the Chinese reported that Chloroquine was an effective treatment. Of course, even Fauci recommended it in 2005 but removed it for C-19 until vaccines were “approved”. So now HCQ and Ivermectin have been reinstated. Not sure what the situation is in the UK at the moment.

320092 ▶▶ helen, replying to Allen, 1, #79 of 2095 🔗

Thanks so much Alan.

Have you seen this?

It supports these claims from a data evidence standpoint

No plague and a likely signature of mass homicide by government response

https://www.researchgate.net/publication/341832637_All-cause_mortality_during_COVID-19_No_plague_and_a_likely_signature_of_mass_homicide_by_government_response

318911 Barney McGrew, replying to Barney McGrew, 47, #80 of 2095 🔗

A stunning article:
https://thecritic.co.uk/boiling-the-bioethical-frog/

It makes you realise just how far we are now straying from the ethical administration of medicine against genuine diseases. As the author points out, we are now at the level of Matt Hancock in competition with Piers Morgan over who will have an unnecessary vaccine first, live on television.

Instead of doctors deciding what treatment their patients should receive, we have two twerps in a bragging contest effectively making policy for the whole population.

The layman’s view of medical treatments is being instituted as political policy. And this is not just vaccination but also extends to lockdowns and social distancing which are de facto medical treatments that prevent the sharing of microbes, thus affecting everyone’s immune system at a government ministers’ whim.

The realisation of this makes my head spin. It’s obvious that medical treatment is not something that Matt Hancock, or even an ‘expert’ at Sage, should be able to impose on anyone. How have we reached the point where it is being accepted so easily? The appropriate medical bodies or councils should have been all over this at the start.

318926 ▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Barney McGrew, 8, #81 of 2095 🔗

That cheered me up, I’ve been merrily swapping microbes with all and sundry since the start and I’ve never had a flu stab in the arm.

319637 ▶▶ Crystal Decanter, replying to Barney McGrew, #82 of 2095 🔗

Hopefully they both Tiffany Dover

319869 ▶▶ richard riewer, replying to Barney McGrew, #83 of 2095 🔗

I hope that they both fall down and take a knee on TV.

318912 BuildVaccineTrust, replying to BuildVaccineTrust, 16, #84 of 2095 🔗

I keep reposting this because lockdownskeptics won’t return email, perhaps someone else can get them to take note of an issue of interest to millions being pushed vaccines who aren’t being ethically informed of all the risks?

The Emergency Use Authorization for the Pfizer vaccine, and its briefing document for the review meeting, states there is an unknown risk of future vaccine enhanced disease (which includes other potential enhancement modes and not just antibody enhancement) after the initial immunity fades:
https://www.fda.gov/media/144416/download
“The Sponsor identified vaccine-associated enhanced disease including vaccine-associated enhanced respiratory disease as an important potential risk [….] risk of vaccine-enhanced disease over time, potentially associated with waning immunity, remains unknown and needs to be evaluated further in ongoing clinical trials and in observational studies that could be conducted following authorization and/or licensure.”

i.e. the study simply hasn’t gone on long enough to see if people have sterilizing immunity producing the initial good results that fades, and then when people do actually get infections: the immune response they learned from the vaccine might lead to a worse case of covid-19. Hopefully not: but the trials just haven’t run long enough to demonstrate that.

Yet the FDA isn’t telling patients about this risk, nor is the media. The FDA’s fact sheet for recipients of the Pfizer vaccine for covid-19 is here and there isn’t a peep about it:
https://www.fda.gov/media/144414/download
Nor is there in its doc for healthcare providers, nor is it in the UK’s NHS or Canadian equivalents.

An International Journal of Clinical Practice article on
https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1111/ijcp.13795
“Informed consent disclosure to vaccine trial subjects of risk of COVID‐19 vaccines worsening clinical disease”

explains that the vaccine trials didn’t meet medical ethics standards regarding fully informed consent since the issue of vaccine enhanced disease wasn’t explained in a way they’d comprehend. The FDA’s information doesn’t even mention it, let alone explain it in the way people comprehend, which seems an obviously major violation of medical ethics. Its also doesn’t make sense: since enough people will likely risk it anyway, but they should get that choice because even some experts wouldn’t yet.

If they don’t correct this soon, and chalk it up to an oversight in the rush to get this out the door: it risks a backlash in a few months if the public becomes generally aware of it, akin to the backlash after the Tuskegee study where participants weren’t fully informed. They’ll wonder: “If you didn’t tell us about this risk, what else aren’t you telling us, why should we trust it?”. People can understand that trials are still ongoing: they won’t understand not informing them of risks since it looks like a coverup, even if in theory they could have hunted through the FDA’s more technical documents to find it.

Experts apparently don’t agree on the magnitude of the risk: which is why its particularly important for it to be disclosed for public debate. Media in countries hit hard by COVID-19 haven’t called attention to the issue to date. In contrast a Japanese paper quoted the director of the Japanese Society of Clinical Virology: “Concerns over ADE still remain. I am an elderly person myself, but if I were asked, I would say I don’t want to get a shot.”

Elsewhere he explained: “In the past, a dengue vaccine proved effective in tests and was widely used, but then it worsened symptoms for people who were still getting infected.”. A leading professor of Immunology testified to Japan’s House of Representatives: “There’s no doubt that their effectiveness is quite high, but their safety is not guaranteed at all”.
Its also the case that many studies *do* see concerns over potential vaccine enhanced disease in this case. Severe covid isn’t due to a lack of immune response: but a dysfunctional immune response. One study termed it an “uncoordinated” response. Will the response that occurs after the vaccine fades be a functional one, or an “uncoordinated” one? That paper suggests there is a risk that vaccines that only target the spike may be at risk of vaccine enhanced disease. Regardless, since they don’t understand fully the broken response with severe covid-19, its unclear how they can yet be certain what the odds are the vaccine will be more or less likely to trigger a broken immune response that leads to severe illness. Hopefully not: the tests just haven’t gone on long enough to demonstrate it.

The links to the various studies I mentioned are on BuildVaccineTrust.com where I put together information out of frustration that I didn’t see it being addressed. Its focused on government and academic journa

318915 ▶▶ Barney McGrew, replying to BuildVaccineTrust, 19, #85 of 2095 🔗

…the tests just haven’t gone on long enough to demonstrate it.

As I see it, it will never be possible to definitively demonstrate anything with the immune system – it’s all just probability. All we plebs can do is to get a feel for whether the ‘experts’ involved are sincere people engaged in a genuine effort to benefit mankind. To my untutored eye, the answer is: “You’ve got to be kidding!”

318920 ▶▶ Judy Watson, replying to BuildVaccineTrust, 7, #86 of 2095 🔗

I DO read your articles and have taken note. Also pointed to my friends in the uk about this article.

318938 ▶▶ Sally, replying to BuildVaccineTrust, 3, #87 of 2095 🔗

I’ve read your site too. Very informative, thank you.

318966 ▶▶ Dorian_Hawkmoon, replying to BuildVaccineTrust, 10, #88 of 2095 🔗

Thankyou. BTW I think it perfectly reasonable that the LS crew do not open up email correspondence with all who email them, simply as a matter of policy. It would be hugely time and resource consuming. They do a great job as it is.

318991 ▶▶ J Cook, replying to BuildVaccineTrust, 1, #89 of 2095 🔗

Thank you for your informative website. Important links included in it. I will be referring back to this.

319025 ▶▶ SweetBabyCheeses, replying to BuildVaccineTrust, 10, #90 of 2095 🔗

It’s interesting stuff, but politically there is not much appetite for anti-vaxx stuff in the UK at the moment I’m afraid. If I were a PR advisor to an actual anti-lockdown campaign/party, I’d have to advise them to steer well clear of even entering into this debate. Not because it’s not worth having, but because the media are using it to smear us as simple tin-foil hat wearing, conspiracy theorists.

319484 ▶▶▶ Bugle, replying to SweetBabyCheeses, 3, #91 of 2095 🔗

There was no appetite for anti-lockdown stuff at the beginning. Toby and Hitchens were among the first journalists to grasp the nettle. I tell people straight out that I won’t have the vaccine. Actually, ordinary people turn out to be aware of the issues but, if not, they can think what they like.

320143 ▶▶▶▶ SweetBabyCheeses, replying to Bugle, #92 of 2095 🔗

As a woman of child bearing age (and as someone who probably had “it” in Jan) I probably won’t have it either, and I fully support all the info being available for everyone to make an informed (and non-coerced) choice.

320754 ▶▶▶ BuildVaccineTrust, replying to SweetBabyCheeses, #93 of 2095 🔗

The problem of course is that this isn’t “anti-vaxx”, the risk issue comes directly from FDA documents. Unfortunately the issue is it seems almost everyone is afraid of being lumped in with scientifically illiterate ant-vaxxers if they express any critique. The author is someone that thinks vaccines are very important and has taken all the prior recommended ones and wouldn’t hesitate to do so again. Its actually because I don’t wish to see a backlash against all vaccines that I think its important to note risks that the FDA, Pfizer, and Moderna all acknowledge.

320823 ▶▶▶ TyLean, replying to SweetBabyCheeses, #94 of 2095 🔗

Yes, lets continue to abuse and deride the parents of dead and severely disabled children…. that’s the moral highground, surely?

I have said it before, and I will say it repeatedly….. to want to “distance yourself” from anything “anti-vaxx” is it’s own breed of virtual signalling, and it’s disgusting. The silencing of people who have had their lives destroyed by adverse reactions to vaccines is disgusting.

I’ve read 30 vaccine studies to date….. your blind trust has been betrayed.

318923 ▶▶ wendyk, replying to wendyk, 1, #96 of 2095 🔗

Barney McGrew has already posted the link; see below

318925 annie, replying to annie, 44, #97 of 2095 🔗

Having trouble fitting my dropped jaw back into place after reading Simon Dolan’s tweet about the WHO’s redefinition of ‘herd immunity’.
I shouldn’t have been surprised, really.But the stink of corruption… phew!

318933 ▶▶ Jo Dominic, replying to annie, 9, #98 of 2095 🔗

Breathtaking manipulation. Not even the truth. I read it in disbelief too.

318945 ▶▶ karenovirus, replying to annie, 13, #99 of 2095 🔗

Same way they earlier redefined ‘Pandemic’ which required Governments worldwide to adopt counter measures . . .
Like ordering vaccines from big pharma.

319576 ▶▶ Victoria, replying to annie, 5, #100 of 2095 🔗

Indeed. Nicely re-branded to be vaccine only. Shocking!

319742 ▶▶ Ben, replying to annie, 4, #101 of 2095 🔗

No doubt this ‘redefinition’ is the result of pressure from Pharma companies. The same as what happened in 2009 when the WHO changed the definition of the word ‘pandemic’ after pressure from Pharma companies

It’s blatantly obvious that these fascistic interventions are designed to secure profits for Pharma. Can’t help thinking about the explosion at the hydroxycholoquine factory. Very convenient

Of course, all of this is because of ‘incompetence’

318927 Coronamoana, replying to Coronamoana, 90, #102 of 2095 🔗

My summing up of 2020:

The year healthy people were locked up to prevent them spreading a disease they didn’t have.

318935 ▶▶ annie, replying to Coronamoana, 13, #103 of 2095 🔗

In a nutshell, yes.

319720 ▶▶ Salopian, replying to Coronamoana, 3, #104 of 2095 🔗

..and didn’t face significant harm from.

319881 ▶▶ richard riewer, replying to Coronamoana, 1, #105 of 2095 🔗

First prize for absurdity.

320001 ▶▶▶ Rowan, replying to richard riewer, 1, #106 of 2095 🔗

It’s well past being absurd.

320065 ▶▶ Ianric, replying to Coronamoana, 4, #107 of 2095 🔗

Can you imagine if this time last year you told people that healthy people with no symptoms would be branded as selfish disease carriers for engaging in perfectly normal activities even though they have no disease to carry.

318928 Barney McGrew, replying to Barney McGrew, 12, #108 of 2095 🔗

This is good:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VgNfn5kXkLQ

“Britain doesn’t feel very free at the moment. And that’s bad news for Britain, certainly, but also for the world. Because – uniquely – British identity and our long heritage is rooted in the ideal of individual liberty. But what does this mean in the age of Covid?

In the first of a new documentary series from the New Culture Forum, author and journalist Marc Sidwell takes on this very question.

Featuring interviews with the likes of Sir Graham Brady, Baroness Claire Fox, Dan Hannan and Harry Miller, this documentary explores the history of British liberty, and what we can learn from it during these trying times. “

318964 ▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Barney McGrew, 3, #109 of 2095 🔗

Thank you, that was well worth watching.
No wonder bozo is kicking Dan Hannan up to the House of Lords where he will have a voice but will not be able to challenge the dictator directly.

319972 ▶▶▶ Norman, replying to karenovirus, 1, #110 of 2095 🔗

Good material but the intrusive and offputting background music – i.e. it’s too loud – spoils it.

318930 karenovirus, replying to karenovirus, 6, #111 of 2095 🔗

From the main article.
‘. . . as concerns grow about the virus mutation spreading from the South East’

Duh . . .

319012 ▶▶ PatrickF, replying to karenovirus, 8, #112 of 2095 🔗

As far as I can see the Mutant Ninja Virus has, because of gravity fallen from Scotland.

319730 ▶▶ Ben, replying to karenovirus, 3, #113 of 2095 🔗

This reminds me of that Simpsons sketch about the SIKA virus

319834 ▶▶ Waldorf, replying to karenovirus, 3, #114 of 2095 🔗

Glasgow seems to be in a bad way. I say seems because this is bullshit…

318931 Bill Grates, replying to Bill Grates, #115 of 2095 🔗

What’s happened to the flue ?
This a few weeks old but worth 9 minutes of your time

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JgL9DQ63LhU&feature=emb_logo

318934 ▶▶ annie, replying to Bill Grates, 11, #116 of 2095 🔗

The flue is up the chimney.
The flu is up the spout.

319053 ▶▶▶ Cambridge N, replying to annie, 11, #117 of 2095 🔗

“A fly and a flea in a flue,/were imprisoned, so what could they do?/Said the fly, “Let us flee!”/Said the flea, “Let us fly!”/So they flew through a flaw in the flue.”

I’ll get me coat.

318973 ▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Bill Grates, 10, #118 of 2095 🔗

The disappearance of flu is all part of the psy op to make covid appear worse than a bad seasonal flu which is why the press now resort to reporting ‘deaths where Covid is mentioned on the Death Certificate’ as though these are confirmed deaths from Covid.

319153 ▶▶▶ arfurmo, replying to karenovirus, #119 of 2095 🔗

No -it’s to prove social distancing and muzzles work

320275 ▶▶ djaustin, replying to Bill Grates, #120 of 2095 🔗

flu is about half as transmissible as SARS-CoV2. Restrictions on transmission of the latter will have a greater effect on the former.

318932 annie, replying to annie, 5, #121 of 2095 🔗

I read the following in Wikipedia. OK, not necessarily the fount of all wisdom!

Herd immunity applies only to contagious disease, meaning that it is transmitted from one individual to another. Tetanus for example, is infectious but not contagious, so herd immunity does not apply.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Herd_immunity

Now, is Covid contagious or infectious? Makes a difference, don’t it? Medical experts please clarify.

319023 ▶▶ J Cook, replying to annie, 5, #122 of 2095 🔗

So covid would be both infectious and contagious – but this is an interesting point that you raise. Im no medical expert, but surely this concept (infectious vs contagious) contradicts the new WHO definition of ‘herd immunity’. Take for example Tetanus – this is an infectious disease (caught from the bacteria Clostridium tetani), but not contagious (not transmissible via person to person contact). The Oxford Vaccine Group clearly states the obvious that that “there is no herd immunity for tetanus” https://vk.ovg.ox.ac.uk/vk/tetanus&nbsp ;
So the new WHO definition for herd immunity which states “with herd immunity, the vast majority of a population are vaccinated” doesn’t fit diseases such as tetanus, where the term herd immunity couldn’t be used even if the majority were vaccinated. The new WHO definition seems to fly in the face of previously accepted concepts – as usual they seem to be throwing out decades of prior knowledge to fit current narratives.

319067 ▶▶▶ J Cook, replying to J Cook, 2, #123 of 2095 🔗

Im just thinking through my own post – the new WHO definition does refer to herd immunity in the context of viruses – which could be a counter argument to mine above. However the concept of herd immunity has been scientifically accepted for many Bacterial vaccines (such as the Pertussis vaccine and Meningococcal vaccines) as well as for Toxoid vaccines (such as Diphtheria). So surely the WHO need to expand their new definition of herd immunity to diseases caused by bacteria and toxins too – but then in doing that they would be tripped up by diseases such as Tetanus.
This has got me thinking. Anyone else have thoughts on this?

318937 Laurence, replying to Laurence, 33, #124 of 2095 🔗

I read with great interest the Matt Ridley article in the Telegraph: “Lockdowns may actually prevent a natural weakening of this disease”.
It seems blindlingly obvious that Lockdowns will be detrimental for the weakening of the virus, and go against millions of years of evolution, and thousands of years of science. To call lockdowns ‘medieval’ would be positively flattering.

Why would the human body get ill when we get a virus and not just let it do its job of killing us if it’s going to. Surely because ill people can’t participate in society and keep themselves at home away from others, meaning that those uninfected people who are out with others are more likely to meet those who have a less toxic strain of the virus. Now it would seem apparent that evolution would favour humans (and other animals) who get sicker with a more toxic virus as they are less likely to have the worst forms of the virus circulating, and so will only spread weaker strains (those with the stronger ones are out of circulation), and those communities are more likely to survive.

100,000 years or so on, in a supposedly scientific society: we remove those with a weaker form of virus from society as well, so that we can now spread the more toxic viruses just as easily as the weaker ones.

Could anyone imagine a more ridiculous idea !

318943 ▶▶ Richard O, replying to Laurence, 29, #125 of 2095 🔗

I would argue that this is one of the key reasons lockdowns have been used in 2020. To prolong the “pandemic” (which it wasn’t) long enough to justify a vaccine. Job done.

318950 ▶▶ annie, replying to Laurence, 17, #126 of 2095 🔗

It isn’t just Covid, it’s all diseases, even the usually mild ones. The morons who have been under the bed since March are quite simply doomed if they come out.
And damned if they don’t.

319168 ▶▶▶ Spikedee1, replying to annie, 7, #127 of 2095 🔗

Ahhh happy days, you know when you were racked with flu, you wrapped up, took some lem-sip and… went to work. You sat there with your box of tissues sneezing all over everyone and …. life went on. The pretty girl sitting next to you caught it, cursed you for a couple of days. Mind you she was still going down the gym.

318985 ▶▶ TJN, replying to Laurence, 11, #128 of 2095 🔗

John Lee was saying this in The Speccie back in early May (written late April).

https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/covids-metamorphosis-has-lockdown-made-the-virus-more-deadly

318939 Emily Tock, replying to Emily Tock, 80, #129 of 2095 🔗

I have a deep and worrying visceral hatred for imbeciles on Twitter posting gifs of models in fashion masks, accompanied by ‘Masks are here to stay!’ as if they are relishing this toilet-spiraling phenomenon. What is wrong with these cretins? Do they know absolutely fuck-all about child development, non-verbal communication, and a whole host of other detrimental effects of permanent masking? When I see tiny children in masks, I have disturbing urges to shake the parent until their teeth rattle and end up muttering angrily to myself whenever I have to go to the shops. I am increasingly unfit for interaction with the general public.

318944 ▶▶ Richard O, replying to Emily Tock, 13, #130 of 2095 🔗

The sad thing is, they are correct. Masks are here to stay. For decades. Because of millions of cretins like this.

318946 ▶▶ Elisabeth, replying to Emily Tock, 34, #131 of 2095 🔗

“fashion masks” that’s what they’ve become, fashion accessories. I get so disgusted with the ubiquitous face rags I don’t even WANT to go out in public for fear of eventually slipping off the rails and ripping people’s face rags off and beating them senseless for suffocating their children. I think people sense my agitation as I’ve not been approached about my own missing face rag…

318949 ▶▶▶ Emily Tock, replying to Elisabeth, 40, #132 of 2095 🔗

I’m so grateful for fellow travelers here – I often feel as if I have gone completely stark-raving mad in the day-to-day world until I remember that there are sane people on LS.

318952 ▶▶▶▶ Richard O, replying to Emily Tock, 52, #133 of 2095 🔗

I have completely withdrawn from all public life. It’s the only way I’ve been able to stay sane. I cannot be around people wearing masks for more than a few seconds.

318961 ▶▶▶▶▶ Sodastream, replying to Richard O, 16, #134 of 2095 🔗

Same. It’s so disturbing to be out. And what’s with the black dunce muzzles…

319209 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to Sodastream, 12, #135 of 2095 🔗

The black dunce muzzles look sinister especially on men. And especially if they’re wearing casual clothing. Sorry if this makes me sound horribly judgemental but the combination of black mask and casual clothing makes them look like a possible mugger or criminal.

319415 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Yawnyaman, replying to Bart Simpson, 3, #136 of 2095 🔗

Or child rapist

319630 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to Yawnyaman, 1, #137 of 2095 🔗

That too. Came across of Twitter some time ago some people wondering why schools don’t challenge those who are masked and dressed suspiciously if they’re indeed the parent of the kid being picked up.

320479 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Bart Simpson, 2, #138 of 2095 🔗

Many schools have insisted the parents wear muzzles when picking up their kids – and the stupid parents comply!

320575 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to Cheezilla, 2, #139 of 2095 🔗

Odd that none of the parents have addressed any security concerns. Or what about the teachers?

Common sense has really gone out of the window with this virus!

320474 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Bart Simpson, 4, #140 of 2095 🔗

That’s the idea. Make everyone afraid of everyone else.

320578 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to Cheezilla, #141 of 2095 🔗

Yep. I now avoid men muzzled up especially those with those black masks like the plague.

318975 ▶▶▶▶▶ Dorian_Hawkmoon, replying to Richard O, 16, #142 of 2095 🔗

Me too. It’s akin to going out into a zombie movie street scene. The world I know has been taken over. I conduct the business I have to do and retreat from the shuffling enmasked crowd. Supplies now almost all online. Just like they want.

318979 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Richard O, replying to Dorian_Hawkmoon, 18, #143 of 2095 🔗

I’ve shopping been 100% online since 24th July. I know this is a dereliction of my duty to get out there and show my face. But I would be unable to contain my rage at the fallen, which would inevitably lead to potentially dangerous confrontations. I don’t need that shit every time I have to buy a pint of milk or a loaf of bread.

318983 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Richard O, 23, #144 of 2095 🔗

Each to his own Richard, I still shop in the same way as I did pre Covid though more heavily weighted in favour of the local independent convenience store.
I don’t even think about the fact that I’m not wearing face panties but do try to make eye contact and exchange a smile with the few other open faces.

320481 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to karenovirus, 2, #145 of 2095 🔗

That’s my strategem too. Demonstrate what’s normal.

319044 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ annie, replying to Dorian_Hawkmoon, 6, #146 of 2095 🔗

Government doesn’t want all shopping to come from giant online companies that don’t pay tax.
Does it?

319419 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Yawnyaman, replying to annie, 3, #147 of 2095 🔗

Well no, but they are far too cowardly and cretinous to actually join the dots we have managed to do in about ten seconds.

320482 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Yawnyaman, 1, #148 of 2095 🔗

Too busy dreaming up their next jolly wheeze.

320367 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ PastImperfect, replying to Dorian_Hawkmoon, 2, #149 of 2095 🔗

Supplies now almost all online. Just like they want .”

Because it is indeed – what they want – I continue to go shopping two or three times a week. In particular, I prefer to select my own vegetables. Maskless, of course, but if challenged, I say I carry a rabbits foot because it is safer.

319078 ▶▶▶▶▶ Girl down Under, replying to Richard O, 7, #150 of 2095 🔗

It is the rhetoric that comes with the mask wearing that gets me as well. The mantra we should be so ‘grateful’ for being able to go out to exercise, virtually zoom Christmas day masses, family get togethers etc. That’s comforting for the darling oldies who don’t have the internet. Then the government is doing the ‘best’ it can, stay safe, we are all in this together it goes on and on and on.

319518 ▶▶▶▶▶ Silke David, replying to Richard O, 2, #151 of 2095 🔗

It is so sad that my family and people who know me do not “get” that seeing all these half faces causes me anxiety.
They say: just get on with it…

318971 ▶▶▶▶ annie, replying to Emily Tock, 10, #152 of 2095 🔗

Sanity is here,
Stark raving madness is with the sheeples.

319307 ▶▶▶▶ TimeIsNow, replying to Emily Tock, 2, #153 of 2095 🔗

It’s increasingly difficult to go to the shops. Every mask wearing hysterical sheep around us is enabling this to happen to our country. Thank you all for your comments.

318958 ▶▶▶ Sodastream, replying to Elisabeth, 8, #154 of 2095 🔗

And what about the Christmas face rags a lot of them are sporting! Or dimante ones , or matching face tag and headband ones!! Shoot me now .

320486 ▶▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Sodastream, #155 of 2095 🔗

Good grief! Where do you live??

320584 ▶▶▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to Cheezilla, #156 of 2095 🔗

I’ve seen Xmas ones and those that have sequins and diamante – they do exist.

Companies that make them must be laughing all the way to the bank.

319015 ▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to Elisabeth, 5, #157 of 2095 🔗

And many are jumping on the bandwagon by producing their own masks. The museums and art galleries among others. No wonder the National Gallery jumped the gun by mandating them long before the government did – they had muzzles to sell.

319046 ▶▶▶▶ annie, replying to Bart Simpson, 10, #158 of 2095 🔗

Even our local zoo is selling them. Look like a gibbon.
At least it will make you look a bit more intelligent than you really are.

319057 ▶▶▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to annie, 6, #159 of 2095 🔗

Now I’ve seen everything.

Bloody Dan Snow is also featuring them on his website. I never took him seriously as a historian then and certainly not now.

319920 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ David Grimbleby, replying to Bart Simpson, 1, #161 of 2095 🔗

nepotism is everywhere in the ‘meega’

319547 ▶▶▶▶▶ Silke David, replying to annie, 1, #162 of 2095 🔗

On the market just now, my friend and I were waiting to be served, there was an elderly couple in front of us, masked and away with the fairies. The vendor had to ask them 3 times “it’s your turn, what can I get you!”
I mentioned to my friend it is the lack of oxygen reaching their brain, I have witnessed it a few times now.

319635 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to Silke David, 3, #163 of 2095 🔗

Wasn’t there a German doctor who recently said that the muzzles can contribute to the onset of dementia because of oxygen deprivation from continuously wearing them?

319872 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Silke David, replying to Bart Simpson, 2, #164 of 2095 🔗

Yes. I cannot remember her name.

320494 ▶▶▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to annie, 1, #165 of 2095 🔗

Gibbons are much more intelligent than virtue-signalling muzzle-wearers!

319896 ▶▶▶▶ richard riewer, replying to Bart Simpson, 2, #166 of 2095 🔗

Not with Rubens they won’t.Too voluminous to fit on a mask.

320391 ▶▶▶▶▶ annie, replying to richard riewer, 1, #167 of 2095 🔗

Salvador Dali would be a good one. Total surreal absurdity.

320590 ▶▶▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to richard riewer, #168 of 2095 🔗

No Rubens but I’ve seen Titian, Van Gogh…..

320028 ▶▶▶ Rowan, replying to Elisabeth, 5, #169 of 2095 🔗

Never worn a mask and am out running errands most days. Like you, I have never been challenged and find that most mask wearers won’t look you in the eye. My guess is that some of these cowed people actually find their own compliance humiliating, which of course it absolutely is.

320375 ▶▶▶▶ Jolly Green Giant, replying to Rowan, 1, #170 of 2095 🔗

Also great sport to be had by suddenly breaking out into a hearty cough and watching the sheep scarper in fear.

318948 ▶▶ annie, replying to Emily Tock, 9, #171 of 2095 🔗

No, the cretinous public are unfit to interact with human beings.

318982 ▶▶ TJN, replying to Emily Tock, 23, #172 of 2095 🔗

I am increasingly unfit for interaction with the general public.

An expression of an unconscious thought which I feel I’ve had for some time, but which is emerging plain before my eyes now.

The sight of children in masks makes me feel violent.

319582 ▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to TJN, 4, #173 of 2095 🔗

Me too. Never felt such anger as the first time I saw a masked kid.

318990 ▶▶ NorthumbrianNomad, replying to Emily Tock, 27, #174 of 2095 🔗

They are relishing it. And there is something about their blank smugness as they celebrate their new fucking normal that makes me feel like I’m dealing with a new species. A hostile mutant variant of the human race. I want to bare my teeth at them like Jack Nicholson announcing “here’s Johnny!” And hack them to death. These people, not SARS-Cov2, are the deadly epidemic.

319018 ▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, 9, #175 of 2095 🔗

Half the time I’m tempted to carry a machete or AK-47 with me at this point.

319549 ▶▶▶ Silke David, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, 3, #176 of 2095 🔗

My neighbour put his mask on to receive a delivery on the door.

319014 ▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to Emily Tock, 12, #177 of 2095 🔗

Agree. And Facebook is even worse with people virtue signalling by posting selfies of themselves in masks and even with visors. Some even go further by even showing off masks they made themselves.

And children in masks are the worst. Parents are not aware that by putting them on their children they are aiding and abetting child abuse. Of course they will say that their kids are fine, it won’t harm them and its protecting them but I don’t think they’re aware that any psychological damage is hidden and by the time it emerges it will be too late to reverse the damage.

They will reap what they have sown.

319558 ▶▶▶ Silke David, replying to Bart Simpson, 4, #178 of 2095 🔗

I watched a very good discussion on Bittel TV on Monday re children and mask wearing. There was a study done in South Tirol, where they measured illegal amounts of Co2 between the mask and the face.
Also a lot of children are very stressed and have dangerous amounts of adrenalin for hours on end circulating in their body. Even if they feel fine, their body is reacting with stress.

319641 ▶▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to Silke David, 2, #179 of 2095 🔗

I’ll mention that to my sister if any chat comes to this as where they live unfortunately everyone has to wear masks and visors. No exemptions.

319062 ▶▶ Girl down Under, replying to Emily Tock, 9, #180 of 2095 🔗

I happened to be in the city last week before all hell broke loose on the northern beaches. There was a masked woman with 2 masked children in the public toilet. She told them to come wash their hands and they said, ‘we don’t want to.’ She said, ‘ok’, and off the three of them toddled. (Yuk). I am sure if they come down with gastro, hepatitis whatever she will be saying it was that unmasked woman washing her hands next to me that caused all this.

319456 ▶▶ Two-Six, replying to Emily Tock, 3, #181 of 2095 🔗

I am not able to interact with “society” it’s too dangerous.

319578 ▶▶ JohnB, replying to Emily Tock, 2, #182 of 2095 🔗

A lot of them are paid, Emily.

Don’t underestimate the number of government agents distorting/controlling social media.

319595 ▶▶ Mutineer, replying to Emily Tock, 2, #183 of 2095 🔗

Children are even asking to wear masks so they ‘look grown up’. I am now beyond disbelief.

319959 ▶▶▶ richard riewer, replying to Mutineer, #184 of 2095 🔗

Monkey see monkey do.

320447 ▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Mutineer, #185 of 2095 🔗

Like pretending to smoke!

319993 ▶▶ FCUK BORIS, replying to Emily Tock, #186 of 2095 🔗

Emily, I am sooo with you, seeing children wear ‘pretty’ makes makes me want to punch the parents. My kids even know to do ‘fake’ hand gel applications when we go out (ie wave your hands very near the dispenser and rub your hands like you’ve got gel on them but never ever get gel on your hands). Stay strong. I’m with you as are thousands more. Download the song Boris is an ‘effing see you next Tuesday to try to get it to number one in the downloads chart!! (it costs 99p but is the best 99p I’ve spent recently..

320342 ▶▶ PastImperfect, replying to Emily Tock, #187 of 2095 🔗

I suspect much of such blather about cute masks starts with the 77th traitors.

318940 karenovirus, 8, #188 of 2095 🔗

Love ‘The Fear Factor’ spoof.
Advert breaks should consist solely of

‘I’m A Celebrity 💉
Vaccinate Me !’

318942 Julian, replying to Julian, 41, #189 of 2095 🔗

“Lockdown 3”. No, sorry, we’re still in Lockdown 1, have been since March. Lockdown continues in mutations/variants until every trace of the restrictions and associated nonsense such as mass testing are gone.

318947 ▶▶ Richard O, replying to Julian, 7, #190 of 2095 🔗

Which, if the demons get their way, will be forever.

318953 PatrickF, replying to PatrickF, 19, #191 of 2095 🔗

It’s time the Sheeple were told the new Mutant Ninja Turtle Virus requires an anal swab to detect it, rather than the nasal, throat one for Covid-19.
Let’s see how keen the nation is now to continue this farce.
#pantsdown

318957 ▶▶ Danny, replying to PatrickF, 14, #192 of 2095 🔗

You just know they’d be queuing around the block outside waitrose and Apple stores. New PR campaign would be along the lines of
“Act like you have it,
Nobody knows,
Bend over to save grandma,
And touch your toes.

318965 ▶▶▶ PatrickF, replying to Danny, 7, #193 of 2095 🔗

I can’t even touch my knees!

318968 ▶▶▶▶ Danny, replying to PatrickF, 13, #194 of 2095 🔗

If you wanna get your freedom pass,
You gotta shove it up your….
sorry, I’ll stop rhyming now! Too early in the day.

318970 ▶▶▶▶ annie, replying to PatrickF, 7, #195 of 2095 🔗

You jolly soon would if somebody swabbed your … never mind.

318960 ▶▶ Fingerache Philip., replying to PatrickF, 3, #196 of 2095 🔗

Oooooo, Matron!

318969 ▶▶ annie, replying to PatrickF, 8, #197 of 2095 🔗

I would love to be paid £12 an hour to shove … Wankok … I think I rave in a sort of exquisite delirium.

319919 ▶▶▶ richard riewer, replying to annie, #198 of 2095 🔗

Shove Wankok up their asses.

318954 Moomin, replying to Moomin, 53, #199 of 2095 🔗

Not sure how much more I can take, my sleepless nights and anxiety are back. I’m supposed to be having a break in the run up to Christmas but working is taking my mind off things. Being awake to this deception while so many around you are being deceived and misled is so hard. I’ve questioned my sanity so much, even asking if I’m on the ‘spectrum’, whatever that means. Even talking with like minded friends doesn’t help that much as we’re still such a minority. I really didn’t think this website would still exist or be necessary in December but here we are.

318963 ▶▶ Danny, replying to Moomin, 23, #200 of 2095 🔗

I’m with you. The hardest thing for me is that very same thing. Living through tough times and government oppression is one thing. But having to persuade people that we are being oppressed seems like a greater insult.
I always think it is akin to living through another night of the blitz, bombed house and everywhere, and then in the morning you see a neighbour with an untouched house and remark “wasn’t it terrible last night?” Expecting some connection, the neighbour looks genuinely puzzled and says “what was terrible?”

318967 ▶▶ annie, replying to Moomin, 45, #201 of 2095 🔗

Moomin dear, get this: YOU ARE THE SANE ONE. Sanity, as Orwell pointed out, is not statistical. Even if there are a million Covilunatics all round you, you are still the sane one. But not the only sane one. There’s us. And the brave souls who speak out in the media. JP and Andrew Lawrence, on You tube, are mighty forces for good – with laughter.
Don’t worry too much about sleepless nights. When your body really needs sleep, it will take it. You may already be sleeping longer than you think you are – it’s a common experience. Sleep takes up no conscious time, wakefulness does. Try my trusted remedy: go to sleep with an audiobook playing, and if you wake in the night, put the audiobook back on. It will distract your thoughts.
In the morning, brew a cup of nice hot tea, or whatever you prefer, and take it back to bed with you. Charity never faileth, and neither, in my experience, doth tea.

318980 ▶▶▶ TJN, replying to annie, 11, #202 of 2095 🔗

You do make some lovely posts Annie.

319043 ▶▶▶▶ annie, replying to TJN, 4, #203 of 2095 🔗

It’s all fuelled by Glengettie,

319058 ▶▶▶▶▶ TJN, replying to annie, 2, #204 of 2095 🔗

Many of my best thoughts are fuelled by the Glens of Scotland, particularly Speyside.

319102 ▶▶▶▶▶ Bugle, replying to annie, #205 of 2095 🔗

Had to look that up. You are obviously a deeply civilised person.

319145 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ annie, replying to Bugle, #206 of 2095 🔗

I will take no other.

319087 ▶▶▶ Moomin, replying to annie, #207 of 2095 🔗

Thanks!

319178 ▶▶▶ Mabel Cow, replying to annie, 5, #208 of 2095 🔗

The original title of 1984 was “The Last Man in Europe”, the idea being that as long as there was one person alive who was not taken in by the lies, there was still hope.

320518 ▶▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Mabel Cow, #209 of 2095 🔗

He didn’t have a group of sceptics to keep him reminded!

320538 ▶▶▶▶▶ Will, replying to Cheezilla, #210 of 2095 🔗

Right but we can’t just post on here. What can we realistically do?

319573 ▶▶▶ Silke David, replying to annie, 1, #211 of 2095 🔗

I support going to bed with an audiobook
or sth.
I used to listen to R4 and the world service.
I often woke up at 4am or so, listened to 30minutes of a programme on the world service, highly interesting, sadly to have forgotten all the details when I woke up in the morning.
I also used to be able to recite the shipping areas.

319822 ▶▶▶▶ annie, replying to Silke David, #212 of 2095 🔗

… and the gentle melidy of ‘Sailing by…’

319925 ▶▶▶ richard riewer, replying to annie, #213 of 2095 🔗

I go to sleep listening to Mark Windows Windows on the World. Or Delinpole.

320429 ▶▶▶ Lord Sid, replying to annie, #214 of 2095 🔗

nice one Annie

318986 ▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Moomin, 1, #215 of 2095 🔗

I like to doze listening to a monologue by someone with interesting things to say in a pleasant voice, Sam Harris being a favourite.
If I know the file has a loud musical or advertising conclusion I listen via a video editing suite with ending cut out.

319112 ▶▶▶ PatrickF, replying to karenovirus, 1, #216 of 2095 🔗

For me, it’s Simon Callow, reading any audio book.

319009 ▶▶ richmond, replying to Moomin, 3, #217 of 2095 🔗

Try the sounds of rain on youtube. Rain while driving, videos of storms, that sort of thing. There’s lots of them.

319148 ▶▶▶ annie, replying to richmond, 4, #218 of 2095 🔗

Heck, if you lived in Pembrokeshire you wouldn’t need You tube to get the sound of rain, it never bloody stops! Does anywhere do the sound of sunshine?

319179 ▶▶▶▶ TheOriginalBlackPudding, replying to annie, 4, #219 of 2095 🔗

Morecambe-with-Wise.

319825 ▶▶▶▶▶ annie, replying to TheOriginalBlackPudding, 1, #220 of 2095 🔗

Oh yes…

320453 ▶▶▶▶ Lord Sid, replying to annie, #221 of 2095 🔗

Hi Annie,my daughter bought me a nice fathers day present.It is a two night stay at Roch Castle in pembrokeshire.I worked in South Wales for many years and I was looking forward to it.But this bullshit put paid to that.Anyway it says on the voucher,Croeso Cynnes Cymreig.I dont thik so.

319032 ▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to Moomin, 10, #222 of 2095 🔗

Stay strong. To be honest I’m not really having a good Christmas either as me and my colleagues are waiting to hear who of us gets the axe next month.

As Dr Vernon Coleman has said, you’re not alone and in the end we will win.

And I said to the man who stood at the gate of the year:
“Give me a light that I may tread safely into the unknown.”
And he replied:
“Go out into the darkness and put your hand into the Hand of God.
That shall be to you better than light and safer than a known way.”

  • Minnie Louise Haskins
319059 ▶▶▶ mikewaite, replying to Bart Simpson, 2, #223 of 2095 🔗

Quoted also by George VI in his Dec 1939 Christmas broadcast to a fearful nation.

319077 ▶▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to mikewaite, 1, #224 of 2095 🔗

Indeed it was.

319091 ▶▶▶ Moomin, replying to Bart Simpson, 2, #225 of 2095 🔗

Thanks

319226 ▶▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to Moomin, 1, #226 of 2095 🔗

You’re welcome. We sceptics need to support each other.

319115 ▶▶▶ PatrickF, replying to Bart Simpson, 3, #227 of 2095 🔗

Bart, read Psalm 91; magnificent. King James Bible, not modern English.

319149 ▶▶▶▶ annie, replying to PatrickF, 3, #228 of 2095 🔗

Whoso dwelleth.

319222 ▶▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to PatrickF, 2, #229 of 2095 🔗

Cheers. Will have a look.

319047 ▶▶ SweetBabyCheeses, replying to Moomin, 8, #230 of 2095 🔗

I know how you feel. It really irked me that the media tried to paint skeptics with their rational thinking as selfish and uncaring – even more likely to be psychopathic! No wonder we question whether we lack lack empathy!
When the truth is that we are the ones who can see the whole global picture of all the myriad of ways in which all people are suffering. The whole “save Granny” thing chills me as it could only be adopted by people who aren’t used to thinking of anyone but themselves until now.

319205 ▶▶ Spikedee1, replying to Moomin, 12, #231 of 2095 🔗

I have had a lot of nights where I struggled to sleep too. I found it was where I was either reading something on here or seen something on YouTube that had annoyed me about this shitshow and I kept playing scenarios over and over in my head and could not sleep. So I now take myself away from everything lockdown by 9:30 and then look at motorbike videos, golf instruction videos, comedy videos. I then read a book, some sci fi or fantasy something miles away from the current situation. A Buddhist will tell you anger about something you cannot control is like walking around with a burning hot coal in your hand looking for someone to throw it at. There is only one person getting burned.

319404 ▶▶▶ Lyra Silvertongue, replying to Spikedee1, 2, #232 of 2095 🔗

Same drill here, I watch videos and read about neutral subjects that have no danger of being tarnished by the current madness: history, sci-fi and astronomy are usually reliable. Learned an awful lot from that. I’ve also got back into model making, usually with a lecture or music on in the background. Cutting, gluing and painting forces you to relax.

319828 ▶▶▶▶ annie, replying to Lyra Silvertongue, #233 of 2095 🔗

Wise words. So do horse riding and piano playing.

320233 ▶▶▶▶▶ Borisbullshit, replying to annie, 3, #234 of 2095 🔗

Yes I find piano playing very helpful too as there is nothing to remind you of all this crap. I even use my late fathers music he bought in the 1930s with prices in old money and no barcodes! I find Mozart and Chopin relaxing to play in their very different ways.

319572 ▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to Spikedee1, 2, #235 of 2095 🔗

Golf instruction videos would send me off before I’d even sat back down. 🙂

 But agree in principle.

319490 ▶▶ PaulH, replying to Moomin, 8, #236 of 2095 🔗
  • creating uncertainly
  • arbitrary, illogical, frequently changed rules,
  • expectations built up then dashed,
  • the odd “treat” thrown in

All these are well established interrogation tools, designed to break down prisoners’ morale and make them feel they are going mad.

It’s horrible, but if you know what is being done to you and why they are doing it, then you can resist it better.

319560 ▶▶ JohnB, replying to Moomin, 2, #237 of 2095 🔗

Try drinking wodka with like-minded friends … 🙂

318955 Danny, replying to Danny, 20, #238 of 2095 🔗

I see that newly elevated PM Ferguson has wasted no time in pushing his dream of a total lockdown, looking to start (by all accounts) on the stroke of midnight Boxing Day.
The only reason some of us still have Christmas Day is because of the protestations of a few politicians such as outgoing PM Boris. Sage and the new PM begrudgingly allowed xmas for a few, shaking their head and tutting at the sentimentality, but now it is all systems go come midnight and they can press on with achieving their dream of becoming the world’s first fully medicalised state.

318987 ▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Danny, 7, #239 of 2095 🔗

Infantilised State.

319217 ▶▶▶ Spikedee1, replying to karenovirus, 2, #240 of 2095 🔗

What a state!

318956 Cecil B, replying to Cecil B, 27, #241 of 2095 🔗

In the space of nine months the country has been reduced to a brutal dictatorship

On Christmas day the police can force entry into your home and confiscate your children and grandchildren. The police do not even have to tell where the children have been taken

Shame on you pig dictator

318962 ▶▶ annie, replying to Cecil B, 8, #242 of 2095 🔗

Shame? He doesn’t know the meaning of the word. Nor of any word with a moral significance.

319107 ▶▶ Bugle, replying to Cecil B, 1, #243 of 2095 🔗

On what grounds, please?

318959 annie, replying to annie, 26, #244 of 2095 🔗

Anither nugget from C. S. Lewis. In Narnia, some animals are rational and have speech, but if they revert to purely animal habits, they lose that rationality and can no longer talk. Lucy speculates in Prince Caspian (quoting from memory):

“Wouldn’t it be awful if, in our world, men started going wild inside, but still looked like men, so you could never tell which was which?”

Now it’s happened, and it is awful. Unspeakably awful.
But the blank, dead eyes over the face knickers do at least give an indication.

318984 ▶▶ Mr Dee, replying to annie, 6, #245 of 2095 🔗

Those books are so full of wisdom. I’ve bought the set for my daughter for Christmas. I hope she devours them as I did at her age.

318993 ▶▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Mr Dee, 4, #246 of 2095 🔗

Read the lot during Junior School years accompanied by Radio Luxembourg on the trannie*.

*Transistor Radio for the younglings.

319162 ▶▶▶▶ Mabel Cow, replying to karenovirus, 4, #247 of 2095 🔗

As a calf I had a lovely old vacuum tube wireless that would take a few minutes to properly warm up. I would stare into its orange glow at night and sweep the dial, searching for the sounds of far away.

319417 ▶▶▶▶▶ Lyra Silvertongue, replying to Mabel Cow, #248 of 2095 🔗

We used to listen to the audiobooks on cassette on long car journeys, back when the BBC still had some integrity and production values.

319174 ▶▶▶▶ TheOriginalBlackPudding, replying to karenovirus, 1, #249 of 2095 🔗

*Thanks for the clarification – I thought you were talking about a Ford van. 🙂

320550 ▶▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to karenovirus, 1, #250 of 2095 🔗

Sit down, stand up. Look at those baggy knees!

319005 ▶▶▶ richmond, replying to Mr Dee, 5, #251 of 2095 🔗

If she’s not keen, just tell her she might be slightly too young for them. That should do it.

319040 ▶▶▶ annie, replying to Mr Dee, 2, #252 of 2095 🔗

Lucky girl to be discovering them for the first time.

318992 ▶▶ karenovirus, replying to annie, 4, #253 of 2095 🔗

At least the face knickered rarely bother others with their inane opinions; as we know, the masks act as muzzles and that is part of the plan.

319048 ▶▶ Janice21, replying to annie, 2, #254 of 2095 🔗

My favourite books as a child. I live near CS Lewis birthplace. We have lots of Narnia statues around my way.

319143 ▶▶▶ annie, replying to Janice21, 4, #255 of 2095 🔗

We have a TV film location at Manorbier Castle, where Aslan jumped over the wall for the equivalent of the Harrowing of Hell.
Boy, would I be glad to see him now.

319553 ▶▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to annie, 1, #256 of 2095 🔗

If you believe, annie, he’ll show up. 🙂

319830 ▶▶▶▶▶ annie, replying to JohnB, #257 of 2095 🔗

I will await him. Like badgers, I hold on.

319551 ▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to Janice21, 1, #258 of 2095 🔗

They’re probably frozen animals, you know ?

319416 ▶▶ Lyra Silvertongue, replying to annie, 3, #259 of 2095 🔗

Narnia is a fairly transparent Christian allegory, but like all the best “children’s” books it provides great instruction for how to be a responsible human – learn the skills to keep yourself safe, know who to trust (mainly animals rather than conspiring humans), be loyal to your allies and stand up to the bad guys, and break the rules when necessary. The Hobbit, most Roald Dahls and His Dark Materials contain similar life lessons.

320752 ▶▶▶ guy153, replying to Lyra Silvertongue, #260 of 2095 🔗

If we’re honest it’s much better written and more enjoyable than the actual Bible.

318972 swedenborg, replying to swedenborg, 26, #261 of 2095 🔗

Warning about the article recommended today, Philippe Lemoine’s article about Lockdown and Sweden. This is a terrible article to read with almost verbal diarrhoea. This man was pro lockdown in March but has changed tack but is a mask fanatic. He has also published outrageous articles supporting the Chinese approach of C-19  and hiding the concerns about the origin.

He is clearly not informed about several aspects of the Swedish situation. He cannot understand why the spread of C-19 was so extensive in Sweden compared to the neighbours. He has no idea that the school holidays was in a particular week where many Swedes went to the Italian and Austrian Mountains for skiing, especially from Stockholm. This was not a pattern in Norway, Finland and Denmark. He has no idea of badly run, under staffed, under paid staff at the big care homes in Stockhom. The Norwegian care homes have employed many nurses from Sweden with double or triple pay since years with much higher standard, well run, smaller care homes than Sweden.

 It is almost laughable the authors strict recommendation of the number of persons gatherings would have reduced the infection rate in Sweden. He is an ego maniacal in his description of his advice(incl masks).This is a rubbish article.

319291 ▶▶ Carrie, replying to swedenborg, 2, #262 of 2095 🔗

Unfortunately Sweden are being draconian now (since Boris cancelled Christmas) about letting non-citizens back into the country 😢 . Even if you are a family where some are citizens and some merely residents, they will only let the citizens back in…

319636 ▶▶▶ swedenborg, replying to Carrie, 1, #263 of 2095 🔗

Insane policy.Just shows that now the politicians have started meddling in this

318974 Marialta, replying to Marialta, 8, #264 of 2095 🔗

Just woken up to hear on radio that Tony Blair has weighed in calling for millions to be vaccinated in January. In the Independent he calls for leaders to ‘use up all the first batch of the Oxford AstraZeneca vaccine next month while a second round is produced’.

318976 ▶▶ Marialta, replying to Marialta, 9, #265 of 2095 🔗

I didn’t realise Mr Blair had his finger in this pie as well.

319056 ▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to Marialta, 4, #266 of 2095 🔗

He’s as corrupt as they come.

320560 ▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Marialta, #267 of 2095 🔗

Up to his armpits!

318978 ▶▶ Richard O, replying to Marialta, 9, #268 of 2095 🔗

So he knows in advance that the Oxford vaccine is going to be approved by the MHRA.

The British people are going to be pin cushions for Big Pharma. If we allow it.

319037 ▶▶▶ annie, replying to Richard O, 3, #269 of 2095 🔗

Mr Blair’s share portfolio must make interesting reading.

318994 ▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Marialta, 5, #270 of 2095 🔗

You can have mine Mr Blair.

318997 ▶▶ Liz F, replying to Marialta, 3, #271 of 2095 🔗

Is he a shareholder in AstraZeneca? Why does the media persist in giving the man air time?

319041 ▶▶▶ Marialta, replying to Liz F, 3, #272 of 2095 🔗

I wish I knew. I might follow that lead though…..

318977 Mr Dee, replying to Mr Dee, 16, #273 of 2095 🔗

The Great Reset. Incredibly dull. The WEF’s podcast that is. The endless droning of uninspiring bureaucrats. If it is a conspiracy, it’s one fronted by the most tedious bores. If they do take over the world, we’re in danger of slow suffocation by grey mediocrity, leeching the colour from the world. Can you imagine Prince Charles as our overlord? Yawn. I don’t think they can ever win in a country where a song by The Kunts is veering towards number one in the Christmas download charts.

Don’t worry, about a thing. Cos every little thing gonna be alright. (invoking the Christmas ghost of Marley).

318981 ▶▶ Richard O, replying to Mr Dee, 10, #274 of 2095 🔗

A great way of putting it. Just how incredibly featureless, bland and arid this way of living is. Not living at all in fact, merely the avoidance of death. No thanks.

318995 ▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Mr Dee, 6, #275 of 2095 🔗

The Banality Of Evil

319154 ▶▶ PoshPanic, replying to Mr Dee, 4, #276 of 2095 🔗

Exactly my thoughts. They’re the most drab bunch of corporate climbers, who can only see life from the confines of a convention dinner. It’s one of the reasons why all of these organisations are overrun by incompetence and corruption.

At least Santa Klaus is good for a few memes

319185 ▶▶▶ Alethea, replying to PoshPanic, 1, #277 of 2095 🔗

am I remembering rightly that the X-Factor parody is yours, PP? It’s terrific; I enjoyed it yesterday and am enjoying it this morning again

319287 ▶▶ Carrie, replying to Mr Dee, #278 of 2095 🔗

Wonder if Kate (Middleton) is regretting joining the Royal Family?

319648 ▶▶▶ Edward, replying to Carrie, #279 of 2095 🔗

She seems to be fully on board with all the covibollocks.

320569 ▶▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Edward, #280 of 2095 🔗

Does she have a choice?

318996 Tim Bidie, replying to Tim Bidie, 10, #281 of 2095 🔗

A useful reference in case not already posted:

‘A Pandemic of Pandemic Hysterias’. Sanjeev Sabhlok

https://sanjeev.sabhlokcity.com/Misc/PandemicHysterias-draft-sabhlok.pdf

‘According to Dr. Markus Kühbacher, a specialist investigating scientific fraud such as dissertation plagiarism, Dr. Drosten’s doctor thesis, by law must be deposited on a certain date with academic authorities at his University, who then sign a legal form, Revisionsschein, verified with signature, stamp of the University and date, with thesis title and author, to be sent to the University archive. With it, three original copies of the thesis are filed. Kühbacher charges that the Goethe University is guilty of cover-up by claiming, falsely, Drosten’s Revisionsschein, was on file. The University spokesman later was forced to admit it was not filed, at least not locatable by them. Moreover, of the three mandatory file copies of his doctor thesis, highly relevant given the global importance of Drosten’s coronavirus role, two copies have “disappeared,” and the remaining single copy is water-damaged’

‘If the stakes were not so deadly for mankind it would all be material for a comedy of the absurd. The world health Czar, WHO chief Tedros is no medical doctor whose WHO is financed massively by a college dropout billionaire computer manager, Gates, who also advises the Merkel government on COVID-19 measures. The Merkel government uses the Drosten PCR test and Drosten as an “all-wise” expert to impose the most draconian economic consequences outside wartime. Her Health Minister, Jens Spahn, is a former banker who has no medical degree, only a stint as a lobbyist for Big Pharma. The head of the German CDC, called the Robert Koch Institute, Lothar Wieler, is not a virologist but an animal doctor, Tierarzt. With this crew, Germans are seeing their lives destroyed by lockdowns and social measures never before imagined outside Stalin’s Soviet Union.’

318998 ▶▶ Tim Bidie, replying to Tim Bidie, 14, #282 of 2095 🔗

With illustration.

319004 ▶▶ mhcp, replying to Tim Bidie, 6, #283 of 2095 🔗

I don’t see an issue with the head of the German CDC being a vet and not a virologist. The issue isn’t the theory or modelling. It’s the source data. There should be engineers involved in verifying the source data first before any models or theories are used.

But of course that would show this whole thing as an ugly fact nowhere near as serious as made out to be. Theorists love to scream their Eureka, and indulge in doom porn.

Reality is however a lot less exciting in that sense, but brutal in others.

319024 ▶▶▶ Tim Bidie, replying to mhcp, #284 of 2095 🔗

Entirely agree.

320586 ▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to mhcp, #285 of 2095 🔗

Problem is not that he’s a vet but his specialism is “Biotechnology in Reproduction”
I agree about the engineers.

319589 ▶▶ Silke David, replying to Tim Bidie, 3, #286 of 2095 🔗

Thank you for this.
I the summer, when it was made public that Drosten’s thesis cannot be found, this was huge in Germany.

He consequently produced a document, which some people say has partly been copied and pasted from other papers, backdated and verified by friends.

318999 mhcp, replying to mhcp, 24, #287 of 2095 🔗

Nice that Claire Craig is saying what a lot of us were saying here for months: that respiratory diseases are just being relabelled and that deaths due to Covid going up is simply an artefact as overall deaths are the same.

But as ever this information is not displayed in context with previous years.

What gets me is that the great medical profession takes months and months to realise something that is often obvious to engineers and applied scientists from the start.

And we’ve seen this before: crime statistics going up or down depending on the flavour of the month, just because they get relabelled.

319035 ▶▶ annie, replying to mhcp, 10, #288 of 2095 🔗

The great medical profession has a two-thousand-year history of ignorance, stupidity, prejudice and refusal to accept truths that were staring it in the face.

319130 ▶▶▶ Mabel Cow, replying to annie, 3, #289 of 2095 🔗

Quite. Just ask Semmelweis .

319061 ▶▶ p02099003, replying to mhcp, 6, #290 of 2095 🔗

Not all doctors, Malcolm Kendrick and Sam Bailey for example, but they are GPs. Hospital physicians tend to be specialists and unable to think outside of that. An anecdote from when I worked in A&E, a patient was brought in after being stabbed in the chest. Cardiothoracic surgeons were called and operated on the patient. We get a complaint because the wound was below the diaphragm and hence was not cardiothoracic but general surgery.

319074 ▶▶ SweetBabyCheeses, replying to mhcp, 15, #291 of 2095 🔗

Absolutely. The problem is, when did we ever label them in the first place?! Until recently, we had cold (struggle on bravely) or flu (sick enough to stay home.) One could also make an argument for man flu but that’s another story 😉 . If it didn’t pass, you may have been diagnosed with “chest infection” or similar and received antibiotics- but again, who really knows? GP doesn’t test you do they – they treat the symptoms, although I suspect sometimes the prescription pad comes out just as a pacifier. Hospital? That was pneumonia.
All this time we didn’t give a flying f that what we actually had was influenza A
influenza B
rhinovirus
parainfluenza
adenovirus
coronavirus
human metapneumovirus
mycoplasma pneumoniae
respiratory syncytial virus (RSV)
Etc
Why are we so obsessed with categorising covid? Take RSV for example – if you caught it now, you’d probably just think you had a cold. No one is is suggesting you isolate or get tested for it. Yet if you pass it to a young child it can be serious – around 30k hospital admissions and 80 deaths per year just in the UK. Most of us would avoid babies if we had a cold, especially premature ones, but no ones suggesting you’re a Baby Killer for not suspending all activity and that of everyone you’ve been in contact with?! There were 83 more baby murderers in the UK last year – call the Police! Worlds gone f-ing mental.

319187 ▶▶▶ Crystal Decanter, replying to SweetBabyCheeses, 4, #292 of 2095 🔗

I have a sneaking suspicion that Sars1 didn’t miraculously disappear as was claimed. Just went round the world and and nobody really noticed
Any excess deaths put down to all of the above
Would explain the asymptomatic Sars2 rate (along with the Coronacolds)

319229 ▶▶▶ Spikedee1, replying to SweetBabyCheeses, 3, #293 of 2095 🔗

Yep and if you had the flu you also avoided old folk.

320601 ▶▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Spikedee1, #294 of 2095 🔗

If you really had flu, you were in bed and avoided all but the person who brought you fluids occasionally, before leaving you to sleep yourself better.

319000 Bart Simpson, 10, #295 of 2095 🔗

Great update today and I think we know the answer to the headline. Lockdown 3 was in the cards all along. January and February tends to be colder than November and December anyway plus there’s the usual flu season so they will spin that out as the Teenage Mutant Ninja Virus to justify Lockdown 3 and the gullible will lap it up despite experts saying its nowhere as virulent as the old one.

Baroness Macgregor-Smith is barking up the wrong tree. Instead of calling to throw more money at the problem why doesn’t she and her lot call out for the end of lockdown and restrictions? Or go full Gandhi and call for civil disobedience and passive resistance. Am fed up with these spineless and cowardly industry leaders. And that goes for my sector as well.

319001 Will, replying to Will, 10, #296 of 2095 🔗

Apologies if anyone was offended by my dealings with the forums biggest Troll. I am happy to put up with some of the contrary voices on here but this particular Troll is here to Troll and the only way to deal with a Troll is by Trolling him which I will be doing whenever I see him on the forum. Engagement is pointless with someone like that; constant, unremitting abuse is the only way to get rid of them.

319125 ▶▶ Mabel Cow, replying to Will, 10, #297 of 2095 🔗

I certainly share your frustration, but the evidence suggests that any kind of response at all will be counterproductive.

The account in question has posted 147 times over the past nine weeks with an average response of -6 for each post. It’s almost as though the account is controlled by an organisation that wants to sow disharmony amongst us…

I personally believe that stony, unrelenting silence is the only effective countermeasure. Then, if the account in question is used to spam the site in an attempt to provoke a response we can legitimately ask the site administrators to mute that account’s posts. No doubt a fresh sock puppet would then be activated, but that’s the Internet for you.

Just my opinion; I’m definitely not having a pop at you.

319129 ▶▶ SweetBabyCheeses, replying to Will, 7, #298 of 2095 🔗

We could try ignoring them? No replies, no 👎 they feed on the attention

319420 ▶▶ Templeton, replying to Will, 5, #299 of 2095 🔗

Ignore them m8. For all the websites Ive trawled these past few months, this seems to be the least troubled with stuff like that.
Good people pushing good information, lets keep it that way.
Long live LS.

320607 ▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Will, #300 of 2095 🔗

The only way to deal with a troll is to completely ignore them.
They love the abuse as it’s an excuse to fill the forum with yards of puerile rubbish.
Please desist forthwith!

319002 Steve Martindale, replying to Steve Martindale, 25, #301 of 2095 🔗

What am I supposed to do now? my current stand is that only very extreme public health issues ever justify any sort of restrictions on human rights, civil liberties and freedoms and then only for a fixed temporary period as when we had huge death figures back in April/May. I put my view on twitter some agree and a few get cross with me, I write to my MP and he does not answer, I sign petitions but it all seems a little futile.

So what do I do? what do any of us do?
All the attempts at organised opposition, new political parties etc. seem to be making little progress. I look at much of the world around me and the old song words ring in my head;

I hear the voice of them that’s gone on before
And I can’t feel at home in this world anymore

Thanks to all on this site for helping me to maintain my sanity and ensuring I realise I am not alone but even so what do we do?

319017 ▶▶ Mr Dee, replying to Steve Martindale, 19, #302 of 2095 🔗

Civil disobedience. Passive resistance. Attend protests if you can. Be a beacon to those around you, unmasked and smiling and unafraid.

319464 ▶▶▶ this is my username, replying to Mr Dee, 3, #303 of 2095 🔗

You are right, Mr Dee, don’t wear a mask – get yourself an exemption tag if you like. Steve, keep thinking of ways not to comply. Look around you, too for others not complying – there are a lot of people not complying. I told some friends yesterday that the only to stop this is to stop complying.

319034 ▶▶ Just Stop it Now, replying to Steve Martindale, 10, #304 of 2095 🔗

Steve, don’t despair! There IS something you can do….please take a look at Back to Normal ” <https: my-sgf.co.uk =””/> we are growing rapidly and taking practical grass-roots action.

We are anti-lockdown (NOT anti covid, anti-vax) group of ordinary citizens working together to stop this madness and keeping sane by linking up with fellow sceptics and getting the message out there.

We have a mushrooming network of multiple small groups across the country delivering simple, clear and powerfully worded leaflets to local people. In lockdown that means door to door delivery, otherwise they can be handed out in the street. We already have 155,000 leaflets in circulation and more are being ordered daily and in larger quantities. We aim to reach 1 million citizens.

Our message is simple – stop the lockdown/tiers/masks etc and let’s get back to normal

319106 ▶▶▶ Stephanos, replying to Just Stop it Now, 10, #305 of 2095 🔗

I have recently joined, if you can call it that, the ‘Back to Normal’ group. I am getting a delivery of 1000 postcards in January for delivery around here.
I do sympathise with Steve’s view; it seems that it doesn’t matter how many arguments we win this government will ignore them all.
Recently, for the Covid 19 Assembly, I ‘tagged’ the blog posts for the days 19/8 – 28/8 and that was a distressing experience. I do NOT regret doing it; on the contrary I was glad to do it, but it did take an emotional toll.
I then related two such incidents to Christians whom I know and NEITHER had heard of these stories. One was the story of the police in Greater Manchester breaking up a party for a terminally ill child, the other was the story of a funeral being stopped by a couple of jobsworths in Milton Keynes. And then there are the underground churches. I can only advise getting these stories in front of people, because few know about them.
Somehow we must fight on, with hope or even without it. It is not too much to say that the whole of Western civilisation is under threat.
Sorry to be bleak, but the days are evil, more evil that at any time in the past 1,000 years.

319134 ▶▶▶▶ annie, replying to Stephanos, 5, #306 of 2095 🔗

You are right. The days are evil indeed.
But the only possible response to evil, if you yourself are not evil, is to resist it. Otherwise you are damned.

320893 ▶▶▶▶ Hugh, replying to Stephanos, #307 of 2095 🔗

That was vile, what happened at that terminally ill child’s party. Evil times indeed when weddings, funerals, church services, children’s parties etc. are getting stormed by police. If they knew about us in medieval times, they would be saying “that is positively 21st Century”!

319108 ▶▶▶ Mr Dee, replying to Just Stop it Now, #308 of 2095 🔗

Thanks for this. Very useful. Much appreciated.

319407 ▶▶ Old Bill, replying to Steve Martindale, #309 of 2095 🔗

Sorry to say this, but we just suck the shit up until they decide it is over (which may be never).

319534 ▶▶ JohnB, replying to Steve Martindale, 2, #310 of 2095 🔗

Good responses.

There are also KeepBritainFree, SaveOurRights, StandupX, and the FreedomHubNetwork.

Meeting others of like mind in person is huge. Makes a massive difference to morale, effort, and awareness.

319003 RichardJames, 26, #311 of 2095 🔗

There seems to be an increased tendency for politicians to make remarks along the lines of “By working hard , we can reduce the cases…”

What utter crap; since when have people been able to control any form of disease by “working hard”? What utter drivel!

319013 Tim Bidie, replying to Tim Bidie, 6, #312 of 2095 🔗

Link to unofficial English translation of ‘Cease and Desist’ papers served on Prof. Drosten, in case not already posted:

https://drive.google.com/file/d/17X4GmMXn_m-vDwqEy9vMhbNqzodAEW3b/view

‘Green Mango GmbH, represented by Nils Roth v. Prof Dr. Christian Drosten

Dear Professor Drosten,

We hereby give notice that Green Mango GmbH, Bülowstrasse 56, 10783 Berlin, represented by its managing director, Mr. Nils Roth, has commissioned us to represent its interests on the basis of the enclosed power of attorney. Our client has suffered and continues to suffer significant harm as a result of the grossly disproportionate measures imposed to contain the COVID-19 pandemic without an evidence-based foundation.

You are personally responsible for this harm because, as one of the individuals who intervened significantly and decisively in the policy deliberations, you stated facts which you knew to be false and still continue to do so, and, also intentionally, you concealed, and continue to conceal significant facts. In the name of and on behalf of our client, we claim that you should rectify your erroneous contribution to policy advice in connection with the COVID-19 crisis and compensate our client for the harm he has already suffered…..’

319016 ▶▶ Tim Bidie, replying to Tim Bidie, 1, #313 of 2095 🔗

Another link to the unofficial translation here with interesting video appended asserting the possibility of a legal action against Prof. Drosten…….

https://cormandrostenreview.com/cease-and-desist-order-fuellmich-drosten/

319223 ▶▶ JanMasarykMunich, replying to Tim Bidie, 1, #314 of 2095 🔗

I saw a large billboard here in Basel recently encouraging people to take legal action (Klagen). I assume this is related to the German case. Hopefully, it will gain some traction.

By the way, Switzerland is now pretty much in national lockdown as well, despite some dogged resistance from some cantons.

319019 p02099003, replying to p02099003, 1, #315 of 2095 🔗

Reply from Costco
Good morning

First and foremost, I would like to thank you for taking the time to submit your valuable feedback. Given the current situation with the pandemic, we have taken the decision to take every possible step to prevent the spread of Covid19 by requiring our members who are unable to wear a face covering to wear a face shield instead.

This updated policy may seem inconvenient to some, however we believe the added safety is worth any inconvenience and additionally the vast majority of our members have expressed their unconditional support for this added measure during these challenging times.

Our goal is to continue to provide a safe shopping environment for our members and guests, and to provide a safe work environment for our employees.

For members who are unable to wear a mask or face covering, Costco has delivery options available on Costco.co.uk

Thank you for your understanding and cooperation.

Assuring you of our best attention at all times.

Kind Regards,

319031 ▶▶ annie, replying to p02099003, 4, #316 of 2095 🔗

I will dance on their grave.

319045 ▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to p02099003, 3, #317 of 2095 🔗

Yet again another one with a death wish.

Shan’t be sorry when they go bust.

319117 ▶▶ SweetBabyCheeses, replying to p02099003, 5, #318 of 2095 🔗

If you live in a town large enough to have a selection of amenities, I actually have no problem with this in theory. We can have shops/pubs/cafes/gyms/schools even with masks, gel, distancing etc and those without. People go where they want. I actually see grassroots evidence of this already starting.
As long as others will let me go about life as normal, they can have their own places. It’ll actually make it easier to know who/where to avoid.

319170 ▶▶▶ Sam Vimes, replying to SweetBabyCheeses, 6, #319 of 2095 🔗

Choice good. Mandate bad.

319216 ▶▶▶▶ SweetBabyCheeses, replying to Sam Vimes, #320 of 2095 🔗

For sure scrap all the laws and “rules” on FN and distancing. Let people choose. And let the inconvenience reflect in the price as well as the experience too!

319167 ▶▶ Basics, replying to p02099003, 2, #321 of 2095 🔗

We believe can’t argue with belief.

And also Ah belief the cornerstone of and competent risk assessment.

Fuck Costco – run by idiotic morons evidently.

319171 ▶▶▶ Basics, replying to Basics, 1, #322 of 2095 🔗

They believe something so I must wear.

Try that with a hijab, try that with a kippa, try that with a cross.

319688 ▶▶▶ Waldorf, replying to Basics, #323 of 2095 🔗

Costco features in the film Idiocracy.

319338 ▶▶ Mark, replying to p02099003, 2, #324 of 2095 🔗

Confirms what I wrote yesterday, imo. Costco have in effect declared war on mask dissenters and upon anyone with a rational understanding of this virus. We should respond appropriately, because if their approach becomes widely established life will be much more unpleasant. Sadly, I no longer have a Costco account to cancel.

319468 ▶▶ this is my username, replying to p02099003, 3, #325 of 2095 🔗

“For members who are unable to wear a mask or face covering, Costco has delivery options available” – that’s discrimination! There are lots of people who cannot wear masks, and shops are not allowed to exclude them!

319512 ▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to this is my username, 2, #326 of 2095 🔗

Needs a disabled costco customer to attempt entry, recording the whole event. Then to involve the plod, as disability discrimination is a criminal offence.

319568 ▶▶ Victoria, replying to p02099003, 1, #327 of 2095 🔗

All to vote with their feet

319020 alw, 1, #328 of 2095 🔗

Side effects of vaccine

“NIH launches study on allergic reactions caused by Pfizer’s vaccineI’m very concerned about a small but far from vanishingly small number of severe allergic type reactions, called anaphylaxis (“without protection”).When with Dr Wolfgang Wodarg, I filed.. https://mol.im/a/9079643 …a petition to the European Medicines Agency, https://s56fbd84d0e131e9b.jimcontent.com/download/version/1606870652/module/9033912514/name/Wodarg_Yeadon_EMA_Petition_Pfizer_Trial_FINAL_01DEC2020_signed_with_Exhibits_geschwärzt.pdf …We did so primarily because we were concerned that the design & length of the clinical trials was not adequate to define the effectiveness of the candidate vaccines to reduce severe illness or transmission. (Source: https://threader.app/thread/1341532616286212098 )”

319021 quasi_verbatim, replying to quasi_verbatim, 5, #329 of 2095 🔗

The WHO’s changing concept of bovine immunity is the howling of banshees in a dialectical abyss.

319028 ▶▶ annie, replying to quasi_verbatim, 3, #330 of 2095 🔗

Wow! Do you write Shakespearian tragedies? If you don’t, start now!

319686 ▶▶ Waldorf, replying to quasi_verbatim, #331 of 2095 🔗

“Howling of banshees in a dialectical abyss” is a phrase I just have to remember to use some time…

319022 karenovirus, replying to karenovirus, 10, #332 of 2095 🔗

Blair was just in BBC R4 saying
1. Give a single dose of vaccine only to enable more people to be partly vaccinated.
The experts have already said that a single jab is pointless.

2.’Within 6 months no country in the world is going to allow visitors without a digital health Passport.

3 ‘The NHS must speedily develop a one stop database with everybody’s health and medical records readily available’.

Mr Blair has forgotten that NHS Digital, in its various forms, has been trying and failing to do this for 3 decades.

319027 ▶▶ annie, replying to karenovirus, 14, #333 of 2095 🔗

Long may it continue to fail.

319278 ▶▶▶ Carrie, replying to annie, 5, #334 of 2095 🔗

Yes, however I suspect that the PCR tests have been used for compiling a DNA database of the population..

319451 ▶▶▶▶ Bugle, replying to Carrie, 1, #335 of 2095 🔗

I have been told that the CIA used a vaccination programme to gather DNA in Afghanistan.

319029 ▶▶ Will, replying to karenovirus, 18, #336 of 2095 🔗

I really don’t understand what anything has to do with a man who lied to take the UK into an illegal and catastrophic war.

319050 ▶▶▶ anon, replying to Will, 9, #337 of 2095 🔗

because he’s a crook who’s wheeled out in such situations

eh charles lynton

319052 ▶▶ nottingham69, replying to karenovirus, 6, #338 of 2095 🔗

I heard that interview and it was depressing in the extreme. His vision of identity cards, is back on.

319164 ▶▶▶ Basics, replying to nottingham69, 1, #339 of 2095 🔗

Contracts were signed between uk gov and private firms at tge start of Nov to develop the system. Mayhar Tousi covered it two days ago I think. The money involved seems strange or in question.

319131 ▶▶ PoshPanic, replying to karenovirus, 4, #340 of 2095 🔗

Who listens to this guy or buys his books? I don’t know a single person who has a good word to say about him. Life long Labour supporters included!

319159 ▶▶▶ Basics, replying to PoshPanic, 6, #341 of 2095 🔗

He is a mouth piece for globalist that is a reason. He has zero originality, psychopaths struggle with creativity.

319474 ▶▶ this is my username, replying to karenovirus, 5, #342 of 2095 🔗

People must be allowed privacy, confidentiality etc. No vaccine mandate, no “freedom” passport – that’s Orwellian double speak! No one should be able to look at my health records for any reason unless I’m seeking medical treatment. Outrageous

319026 alw, replying to alw, 13, #343 of 2095 🔗

“Has the Evidence of Asymptomatic Spread of COVID-19 been Significantly Overstated? – Lockdown ScepticsThe answer is “Yes”. There really isn’t any evidence of true asymptomatic transmission. You can’t make people ill with a respiratory virus… https://lockdownsceptics.org/has-the-evidence-of-asymptomatic-spread-of-covid-19-been-significantly-overstated-2/ ……when you’re not ill yourself, with symptoms of a respiratory virus. (Source: https://threader.app/thread/1341525221279449088 )”

For me the answer is yes. I believe what we are seeing now is state induced hysteria at its peak accompanied by PTSD.

319563 ▶▶ Victoria, replying to alw, 2, #344 of 2095 🔗

Yes, according to Dr Michael Yeadon ‘asymptomatic infection is biologically implausible’.

A very effective scare tactic used by Governments worldwide – one of major ways to keep the fear going

319030 Nick Rose, replying to Nick Rose, 11, #345 of 2095 🔗

And so the BS rolls on. People die in winter and the boneless wonders in the government and on SAGE continue to prove they couldn’t sell ice cream in a heatwave at the seaside.

We’d be better off with chimps in charge.

319132 ▶▶ annie, replying to Nick Rose, 6, #346 of 2095 🔗

Chimps are thuggish, spiteful, and interested only in climbing up the pecking order and in indiscriminate rutting. We wouldn’t notice any difference, except insofar as chimps are better looking, almost human in fact.

319139 ▶▶▶ PatrickF, replying to annie, #347 of 2095 🔗

Just ask Charlton Heston!

319033 Kate, replying to Kate, 22, #348 of 2095 🔗

The government is following the strategy leaked in the Canadian Report closely. Lockdown followed by “economic restructuring.”

https://thecanadianreport.ca/is-this-leaked-memo-really-trudeaus-covid-plan-for-2021-you-decide/

Their behaviour reminds me of what happened to Russia following the collapse of communism in the nineties. The country was looted by the corporations and multinationals, lost control of its’ national assets which were expropriated by the new breed of oligarchs, who invested their stolen private wealth in the London stock exchange.

Ordinary Russians lost their healthcare, pensions and finances, were destitute and were selling their possessions on the streets for food.
This was called “Shock therapy” and necessary for a successful changeover to capitalism, by the banks who were asset stripping and making off with all Russia’s wealth.

Putin blocked this asset stripping, and protected the Russian people from further depredations which is why you never hear a good word about him in our MSM and why he is so popular with the Russians.

With the collapse of western capitalism we are now being treated to the same looting of our wealth by the supranational elite.
They would not like us to see this for what it is, so have invented a “plague” to distract us from their real activities.

319038 ▶▶ Kate, replying to Kate, 10, #349 of 2095 🔗

In case readers do not know this, there was a financial collapse last september, which went totally unreported.

https://www.cadtm.org/Another-look-at-the-Federal-Reserve-s-panic-in-September-2019-and-solutions-to

The coming economic collapse is due to be blamed on the coronavirus, not the elites who have gambled our wealth away.

319126 ▶▶▶ PoshPanic, replying to Kate, 2, #350 of 2095 🔗

I remember reading articles from back in February, during the build up of project fear in the media, basically saying that the financial system was standing on thin ice, in the middle of a lake.

319355 ▶▶▶ Two-Six, replying to Kate, 2, #351 of 2095 🔗

Didn’t cash machines stop working a few times around about then? The banks said it was a technical issue but was it that the banks were insolvent?

319054 ▶▶ Emily Tock, replying to Kate, 15, #352 of 2095 🔗

Excellent summation of the disaster that came with the fall of the USSR. I was living there at the time, and the human suffering and concomitant societal collapse have eerie parallels currently in the West. When I discuss these parallels with the uninformed, I am met with disdain.

319394 ▶▶▶ Old Bill, replying to Emily Tock, 2, #353 of 2095 🔗

When I discuss these parallels with the uninformed, I am met with disdain.

If it is only disdain you are met with then you are probably lucky. When Galileo tried discussing with the uninformed he was met with the Roman Inquisition, when lockdown sceptics try it they are met with the TSG.

319055 ▶▶ Ovis, replying to Kate, 4, #354 of 2095 🔗

Events in the United States are being described as a Colour Revolution, which seems about right.

319189 ▶▶ Cassandra, replying to Kate, 3, #355 of 2095 🔗

I’ve been reading Dmitry Orlovs blog for several years now and he’s been predicting the end of the western way of life (specifically the usa) for ages.

His description of the fall of the USSR is particularly interesting in the parallels we face as a society today. The worrying thing is the USSR sounded more prepared for collapse than we currently do. They had ready made socialised housing and transport etc that carried on throughout. With our privatised just about everything, I get the feeling we wouldn’t fare as well.

Hope he’s wrong about it all but he does make an interesting case.

319277 ▶▶ Carrie, replying to Kate, 4, #356 of 2095 🔗

If I remember the Canadian document correctly, the next stage for Q1 of 2021 is transfer to UBI, which is likely why Sunak has extended furlough for a few more months.. I guess after that UBI will be implemented???

319397 ▶▶ calchas, replying to Kate, 3, #357 of 2095 🔗

Yes.

I think we are in a much worse position though.

Many Russians at the time were more accustomed to hardship and either peasants themselves or one generation removed from peasantry – ie accustomed to having gardens, looking after chickens etc , things which helped them get thriugh.

319036 WhyNow, replying to WhyNow, 14, #358 of 2095 🔗

The letter from the NHS doctor is the most interesting. It shows that the observable consequences of COVID are the same as normal seasonal infections, except that the response of the NHS has had the effect of reducing capacity. In terms of his observations, if we were not testing, we would not know there was a pandemic.

And then we have the announcements of the public health professionals. Here I observe nothing more than excitement at new tools to explore the spread of a virus. It is all deeply interesting. How does it spread? Who does it affect? What strains do what. Fascinating stuff. But here’s the point. None of this is evidence that it is any different from normal seasonal infections.

I don’t think the middle class professionals in the public sector, in the BBC, in large corporates, have realised the scale of the damage caused by spending £1 trillion on this hysteria. Pensions and investments will be wiped out. It is the biggest act of self-harm I have even seen.

319244 ▶▶ Spikedee1, replying to WhyNow, #359 of 2095 🔗

And wouldn’t it be ironic if the effect of this was there was no money left to fund the BBC!

320254 ▶▶ LS99, replying to WhyNow, #360 of 2095 🔗

Agreed re your last paragraph, most have absolutely no clue!

319039 alw, replying to alw, #361 of 2095 🔗

2020 was not, by any stretch, a year in which a person or persons could be selected as being most impactful. It was an “event” year; one event visited every corner of the globe, and in one measure or another played out in the lives of almost everyone. The event was, obviously, the coronavirus pandemic, and as that word so clearly marks, it had a greater universal impact than any other event since the end of World War II.”

https://nationalpost.com/opinion/rex-murphy-why-covid-should-be-on-the-front-of-time-magazine

319269 ▶▶ Julian, replying to alw, #362 of 2095 🔗

If you put a person on there, who would it be? Ferguson? Or was the damage already done? Xi Jinping?

319348 ▶▶▶ Mark, replying to Julian, 2, #363 of 2095 🔗

That’s an interesting point. The key for us is that the disaster of 2020 was not the virus, but the panic response.

Who would we choose to epitomise that?

319042 Ovis, replying to Ovis, 9, #364 of 2095 🔗

Let’s not pretend for one moment that any member of the regime is genuinely frightened of the (not very) new variant. They’re just blatantly pissing all over us.

I have to admit, it looks less like simple incompetence as time goes by. Really cynical and utterly ruthless incompetence, just maybe.

319266 ▶▶ Julian, replying to Ovis, 4, #365 of 2095 🔗

They are frightened of being found out, blamed and in some cases of this thing finishing because they love the easy power

We may never know but I think the people at the top have known they are doing the wrong thing since the start – after all, they publicly announced they were going to adopt a more or less do-nothing approach. I think they just bottled it

Since then, what they have done is evil – whatever their motives I think they know they are doing the wrong thing, and that cannot be forgiven

319049 swedenborg, replying to swedenborg, 3, #366 of 2095 🔗

Idaho.Two further anaphylaxis reactions in the US.Probably just a question of time before CDC will contraindicated this vaccine for someone experiencing such a reaction earlier.Or the US lawyers will get into action.

https://bonnersferryherald.com/news/2020/dec/22/healthcare-workers-experience-rare-severe-reaction/

“The Idaho Division of Public Health has received reports of two health care workers experiencing severe allergic reactions, also referred to as serious adverse events, after receiving the Pfizer-BioNTech COVID-19 vaccine.
The allergic reactions happened in northern Idaho and the Treasure Valley. Both incidents are ongoing, but one person has recovered fully, and one is hospitalized in stable condition but expected to be discharged.
In the news release, both people had a known history of severe reactions after receiving injectable medication.”

“The CDC considers a history of a severe allergic reaction such as anaphylaxis to any vaccine or to any injectable therapy as a precaution, but not a contraindication, to vaccination,” said Dr. Christine Hahn, medical director for the Division of Public Health.
According to Dr. Hahn, “In light of these events, we are concerned about the risk to people with such a history and recommend that anyone with a history of severe reaction or anaphylaxis to any vaccine or injectable therapy defer taking this vaccine until more is known.”
“We will continue to update vaccine providers and the public as soon as we know more,” Hahn added.

319128 ▶▶ annie, replying to swedenborg, 4, #367 of 2095 🔗

If they had a known history of severe reactions, why the f..k were they given the snake oil?

319267 ▶▶ Carrie, replying to swedenborg, #368 of 2095 🔗

How many is that now? There were 2 such reactions in Alaska a few days ago, and is it 3 so far in the UK?

319735 ▶▶▶ swedenborg, replying to Carrie, 1, #369 of 2095 🔗

https://www.sciencemag.org/news/2020/12/suspicions-grow-nanoparticles-pfizer-s-covid-19-vaccine-trigger-rare-allergic-reactions

So 8 known and now these 2,10 so far. Probably 1 per 60 000 doses which is 16 times more than 1 in a million for other vaccines incl flu.

Our public health experts have been incredibly stupid. Everybody knows that anaphylaxis are more rare among elderly(due to the declining immune system). They should have rolled out all vaccines for care homes and over 80, having risk between 5-10 % of death by C-19. And afterwards depending upon reactions going lower in 10 years interval for risk groups.

But Big Pharma is for profit and need maximum numbers therefore now including health care workers now having 16 times higher anaphylaxis risk than ordinary vaccines for HCW. There is no way this vaccine can be mandatory with this side effect profile. There maybe more bad news coming about the vaccines as hedge fund managers have acted.
“mRNA stock getting crushed today; bntech too. I wonder if big hedge funds – which regularly pay well-connected physicians to “consult” with them about data and clinical trials – are hearing about adverse events that haven’t become public (yet). We will see.”

https://twitter.com/AlexBerenson/status/1341423803776294913

“As of 19 December, the United States had seen six cases of anaphylaxis among 272,001 people who received the COVID-19 vaccine, according to a presentation by Thomas Clark of the U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC); UK has recorded 2
“”may be due to a compound in the packaging of the messenger RNA (mRNA) that forms the vaccine’s main ingredient, scientists say. A similar mRNA vaccine developed by Moderna, which was authorized for emergency use in the United States on Friday, also contains the compound, polyethylene glycol (PEG).”(Yeadon has also highlighted this component as a factor)

319051 Albie, replying to Albie, 15, #370 of 2095 🔗

You Gov is a waste of time. They stopped sending me survey alerts and I am unable to log in. I emailed them directly from my email account and they didn’t respond. I’m increasingly thinking its because on the occasions I was asked about Covid and ticked a reply they didn’t want to hear that I was deleted from their records. I gave them the benefit of the doubt at first and thought it was your ten-a-penny log in blip, but the failure to reply to my emails has made me now think otherwise, coupled with the sudden ceasement of survey alerts.

319072 ▶▶ nickbowes, replying to Albie, 7, #371 of 2095 🔗

Unless you specify that you are on the left politically you won`t get many surveys apart from consumer. The guy who founded this company is now in charge of the vaccine roll out.

319083 ▶▶▶ Albie, replying to nickbowes, 6, #372 of 2095 🔗

True. I know we shouldn’t underestimate the amount of people who have been terrified by the propaganda rather than politically want lockdowns, but there’s no way over 70% of the population supported Johnson’s statement on Saturday, as YouGov claim. I refuse to accept that.

319099 ▶▶▶▶ Mabel Cow, replying to Albie, 4, #373 of 2095 🔗

The trouble with YouGov is that the questions they ask take this form:

“Do you think Mr Johnson’s announcement went far enough? Yes / No”

Couple this kind of question fraud with biased candidate selections (using the data they have collected from the sign-up questionnaires) and YouGov can arrange for any kind of outcome that its customer wants.

319136 ▶▶▶▶▶ PatrickF, replying to Mabel Cow, 4, #374 of 2095 🔗

Would you rather be executed, or say Boris Johnson is a great PM?

319141 ▶▶▶ Basics, replying to nickbowes, #375 of 2095 🔗

Fronting vs in charge of.

319095 ▶▶ EllGee, replying to Albie, 4, #376 of 2095 🔗

If you don’t fit their algorithm you won’t get surveys when they want a particular answer

319257 ▶▶ Julian, replying to Albie, #377 of 2095 🔗

I’ve got an account

I can’t recall the extent, if any, to which they profiled me politically, but I’m fairly right wong by modern standards so probably I slipped through the net somehow

I occasionally get stuff related to covid – the questions are sometimes terribly slanted, but I usually manage to find an option that more or less reflects the sceptic POV. If a survey is a complete train wreck and there are several questions with no decent option then I abort mission

319060 Mr Dee, 9, #378 of 2095 🔗

From UsforThem:

URGENT Call to Action – schools must remain open

Write to your MP today using the text below. Remember to add your address at the end.
Please edit and personalise by adding in your own children’s experiences. If you have older children, I suggest you ask them to add, in their own words, their feelings about school closures and what it meant to them to be back at school in the Autumn term.
To your own MP
AND
publiccorrespondence@cabinetoffice.gov.uk
ministers@education.gov.uk
leader@labour.org.uk
———————————————————————-
I am writing as a very concerned parent and member of campaign group UsforThem. In March, the government closed schools to the vast majority of pupils. At that point, the government did not perhaps know the damage that would be caused by this action. By the end of the Summer term 2020, schools remained closed to approximately 83% of children, and 94% of vulnerable children had not been in school.
Since then, the massive and devastating collateral damage to our young generation this action has caused has been well documented. Report after report has highlighted the catastrophic academic, social and mental health effects on children, especially the most vulnerable. The gap between the wealthy and disadvantaged has widened and may never be recoverable. It is a tragedy for a young generation robbed of their potential. All children are now, to some extent, vulnerable. They live in a state of constant uncertainty over whether their schooling will continue, are blamed for ‘killing granny’, deprived of interaction with extended family and friends, and suffer poorer physical health with restricted access to sports for an extended period.
Unicef stated: “The benefits of keeping schools open far outweigh the costs of closing them, and nationwide closures of schools should be avoided at all costs”.
Yet- here we are again, with the mood music indicating that schools will close again in January for a month or perhaps longer. Remote learning in the Summer term was an unmitigated disaster for millions of children- there can be no pretence that it is a substitute for face-to-face schooling.
I despair at the low regard in which the government and opposition parties alike appear to hold our children. The entire premise of the COVID-19 response has been to ‘protect the vulnerable’. Children are also vulnerable. Yet their right to education is now contingent on hypotheses about their role in viral transmission. I implore you to oppose school closures and protect our young people. As a parent, I will not be able to forgive or forget this wilful destruction of our children’s futures. I suspect you will find that the children themselves, when grown and faced with the ballot box will be similarly unforgiving.

319063 chaos, replying to chaos, 2, #379 of 2095 🔗

How would we find out if we have do not resusitate (DNR) orders against us? We know old people have had them installed in hospitals and care homes. But what about the rest of us? How would we find out? Just ask our GP? A FOI request? I ask because of a story I heard a few hours ago… an anecodotal story about an asthmatic man in his 50’s who claims he discovered with great surprise that he had such an order.

319065 ▶▶ Ferd III, replying to chaos, 3, #380 of 2095 🔗

Assume if you are White, over 50, with any condition, that the socialised NHS will happily kill you.

319086 ▶▶▶ chaos, replying to Ferd III, 2, #381 of 2095 🔗

I’ve read a GP can sign such an order. Perhaps some of us should ask.. why would they stop with just old people? Agenda 2030’s goals are to depopulate.

319122 ▶▶▶▶ Country Mumkin, replying to chaos, #382 of 2095 🔗

I’m sure you have to sign it yourself. I had to sign it for my mum only because she had dementia. I signed it over a year ago as discussed with hospital consultants. They very sensitively approached me about it as she was about to have a hip replacement surgery. I’m sure they cannot sign it on your behalf.

They may have some priority of care / treatment protocols like they did in April, but it’s not the same as DNR.

319259 ▶▶▶ Carrie, replying to Ferd III, #383 of 2095 🔗

Do you have to even have a medical condition? White and 50+ might be enough 😢

319092 ▶▶ TJS123, replying to chaos, #384 of 2095 🔗

Every inpatient will have a TEP (treatment escalation plan) – they’ve not been called “DNR’s” for ages… and this is agreed with the patient if they’re able. The form may just say “for full resuscitation”, or it may mention other treatments such as whether antibiotics are to be given etc. You can just ask your local hospital for access to your notes or ask your GP specifically. Also, the heart has to stop first, and there’s usually a medical reason for that which is only occasionally reversible.

319096 ▶▶▶ chaos, replying to TJS123, #385 of 2095 🔗

If you are asthmatic.. ask if you have a TEP…

319165 ▶▶▶ Country Mumkin, replying to TJS123, 2, #386 of 2095 🔗

My mum definitely had a DNR form on file and it had to go with her in the ambulance on every hospital trip from her care home. And it had to be the original not a photocopy otherwise the ambulance drivers wouldn’t follow it. She passed away July this year.

319064 Ferd III, replying to Ferd III, 10, #387 of 2095 🔗

‘Variants’ of the flu mean a loss of functionality = harmless.
They are putting normal flu deaths into CV – this is obvious by the data.
There is no pandemic – death rates will be similar to years previous, below 2008 for eg.
Real unemployment must be 20-30%.
Endless magic money printing and debt = economic destruction. Interest rates must go up along with taxes.

Yet, house prices go up, markets go up, the pound goes up.
Fracking ridiculous. What universe are the ‘markets’ living in?

Some day this all unravels.

Expect a lockdown(s) for ALL OF 2021…because of….SCIENCE.
(and a voluntary-mandatory-you lose your job if refuse-Vaxx).

319093 ▶▶ chaos, replying to Ferd III, 1, #388 of 2095 🔗

Thjey are likely writing covid on suicide deaths.

319123 ▶▶▶ annie, replying to chaos, 2, #389 of 2095 🔗

They are in Ontario. Reported here a few days ago.

319066 Jonny S., 3, #390 of 2095 🔗

Just caught a small part of an interview on sky news with Danny Mortimer chief exec. NHS Confederation.
He was asked if the NHS, as lots of people on social media were saying, wasn’t under any more pressure than usual for the time of year.
Like a good politician he avoided answering the main point and said something like staff are demoralised and under pressure. I’m off to work now but if anyone can find that interveiw, I switched sky news on at 8.45am, it may be worth watching as I’m sure he didn’t give the government approved answer that was expected of him.

319069 Bill Hickling, replying to Bill Hickling, 10, #391 of 2095 🔗

The change in WHO herd immunity is really sinister!

319084 ▶▶ Ovis, replying to Bill Hickling, 7, #392 of 2095 🔗

And arrogant. The WHO does not have the right to redefine a scientific concept.

319097 ▶▶▶ PoshPanic, replying to Ovis, 5, #393 of 2095 🔗

Well, they’ve made it that their calling card…redefining what a case is, redefining the qualification for pandemics, the list goes on.

319120 ▶▶▶▶ annie, replying to PoshPanic, 3, #394 of 2095 🔗

U turn on face knickers…

319157 ▶▶▶▶▶ PoshPanic, replying to annie, 1, #395 of 2095 🔗

and lockdowns..

319070 Tyneside Tigress, replying to Tyneside Tigress, 10, #396 of 2095 🔗

So speaks the man with a 3rd in law, better known for his ‘weapons of mass destruction ……programmes’, who is now the UK’s expert in virology:

Tony Blair calls for the UK to use up ALL coronavirus vaccine supplies on one dose strategy | Daily Mail Online

319075 ▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to Tyneside Tigress, 4, #397 of 2095 🔗

Why doesn’t Blair just be content with his millions and leave us in peace?

Another one who should be given an one way ticket to Alpha Centauri.

319080 ▶▶▶ sam, replying to Bart Simpson, 4, #398 of 2095 🔗

Blair’s Foundation also received $$$ from Gates

319124 ▶▶▶ Basics, replying to Bart Simpson, 1, #399 of 2095 🔗

Blair believe in the spirit of 33 and the power of purple if you ask me.

319076 ▶▶ Dan Clarke, replying to Tyneside Tigress, 1, #400 of 2095 🔗

and then hand out a Segregation card to go with it, he’s wanted ID’s since forever

319079 ▶▶ Mr Dee, replying to Tyneside Tigress, 2, #401 of 2095 🔗

Maybe he can take the entire stock himself. There’ll no doubt be a queue of volunteers to administer the jabs to him.

319119 ▶▶ Basics, replying to Tyneside Tigress, 6, #402 of 2095 🔗

What a fucking idiot. But to make my point in a better way. What does John Major say we shoukd do?

319198 ▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to Basics, #403 of 2095 🔗

Another one who should join Blair in Alpha Centauri.

320745 ▶▶ guy153, replying to Tyneside Tigress, #404 of 2095 🔗

He’s just FOMOing. He’d love to have had a “crisis” like this when he was PM.

Not sure exactly how his proposal works in general. There are regulations about how drugs and treatments are approved for good reasons. Is he suggesting these can be overruled with “emergency” authorizations by the government?

What if Hancock decides that it’s a good idea to inject everyone with radium in a year? He might “know” it’s a good thing because he heard it from some science guy in a tie with a white coat, who is also his mate, and happens to own a radium mine.

In theory the one-dose strategy makes sense but you can’t just bend rules like that. We seem to be buying far more doses than we need anyway so I think he can probably calm down. The one saving grace of Bozo compared to Blair is at least he is more incompetent.

319071 swedenborg, 6, #405 of 2095 🔗

CDC update report about the strain in UK.Seems UK is doing more sequencing than US.

https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/more/scientific-brief-emerging-variant.html

 The VOC 202012/01 variant has not been identified through sequencing efforts in the United States, although viruses have only been sequenced from about 51,000 of the 17 million US cases. Ongoing travel between the United Kingdom and the United States, as well as the high prevalence of this variant among current UK infections, increase the likelihood of importation. Given the small fraction of US infections that have been sequenced, the variant could already be in the United States without having been detected.
Of the approximately 275,000 full-genome sequences currently in public databases, 51,000 are from the United States. (The UK currently has the most sequences, with 125,000).

319073 Dan Clarke, replying to Dan Clarke, 10, #406 of 2095 🔗

Surprised after all these months the details of the virus are still important and not why they weaponised a mild virus for the financial reset

319161 ▶▶ Crystal Decanter, replying to Dan Clarke, 2, #407 of 2095 🔗

People aren’t that scared of Flu – even Spanish Flu scare stories don’t cut the mustard because we all have IRL experience of ignoring the 60K deaths per year

The big scary SARs on the other hand ……………It’s actually perfect for a meme flu

319082 sam, replying to sam, 12, #408 of 2095 🔗

Is this why Boris is so friendly with Gates?
https://www.reddit.com/r/conspiracy/comments/e9853u/boriss_father_stanley_johnson_has_been_writing/
Boris’s father, Stanley Johnson has been writing books promoting depopulation for almost fifty years now; starting with ‘Life without Birth: A Journey Through the Third World in Search of the Population Explosion’ published all the way back in 1970.
He’s also a former employee of the World Bank and the European Commission; two of the most prominent promoters of ‘Carbon’ taxation; which would increase the cost of both food and fuel, exponentially. Resolving, they hope, the ‘population issue’.
Stanley was Head of Prevention of Pollution Division at the European Commission (1973 to 1979) and Conservative MEP for Wight and Hampshire East (1979 to 1984).
His first wife (Boris’ mother) Charlotte Johnson Wahl “made her name as a professional portrait painter” for Crispin Tickell; the UN spook who first convinced Margret Thatcher to introduce the concept of CO2 driven ‘climate change’ into mainstream British politics in a speech she gave to the Royal Society, in September 1988.
Sir Crispin is a direct descendent of Thomas Henry Huxley (known as Darwin’s bulldog), one of the first promoters of Darwinism and Eugenics (leading to Government sterilisation policies all over the world).

319089 ▶▶ Dan Clarke, replying to sam, 1, #409 of 2095 🔗

He should start with his friends in China

320000 ▶▶▶ David Grimbleby, replying to Dan Clarke, #410 of 2095 🔗

Or his son…

319135 ▶▶ Bugle, replying to sam, #411 of 2095 🔗

Very informative, thank you.

319151 ▶▶ IanE, replying to sam, 2, #412 of 2095 🔗

And of course both Stanley and Bozo have taken this to heart [not!].

319186 ▶▶▶ sam, replying to IanE, 1, #413 of 2095 🔗

look a bit deeper. The Great Reset agenda of which ‘Build back better’ is the slogan taken up by all those involved.

319195 ▶▶ alw, replying to sam, 1, #414 of 2095 🔗

The message doesn’t seem to have got through to Boris. 6+ and counting.

319225 ▶▶ Tyneside Tigress, replying to sam, #415 of 2095 🔗

Thanks for that. Interesting, they seem to be so fond of population control, except for themselves, of course. There again, you need to seed the next generation of woke, green new deal ‘fighters’. One can only wonder how they fund their broods – those school fees don’t come cheap!

319250 ▶▶ Carrie, replying to sam, #416 of 2095 🔗

Thanks. Knew about Stanley Johnson, but not about BJ’s mother..

319088 chaos, replying to chaos, 5, #417 of 2095 🔗

When will Brady et al stop Boris?

319094 ▶▶ Ovis, replying to chaos, 4, #418 of 2095 🔗

Lol

319113 ▶▶▶ Basics, replying to Ovis, 1, #419 of 2095 🔗

Correct

319150 ▶▶ IanE, replying to chaos, 1, #420 of 2095 🔗

Snow-balls and a very hot place spring to mind.

319090 swedenborg, replying to swedenborg, 11, #421 of 2095 🔗

This seems so incredible the ONS figures.Double checked?

 https://twitter.com/MichaelYeadon3/status/1341653358311038977

More than suspicious. It’s downright impossible for there to be, as claimed, a pandemic of a Severe Acute Respiratory Syndrome (SARS) virus ‘ripping through the country’, yet to have far fewer deaths with the clinical picture you’d expect from a SARS virus: respiratory symptoms.

319234 ▶▶ Andy Riley, replying to swedenborg, 2, #423 of 2095 🔗

I think this is the source data set.
https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunity/birthsdeathsandmarriages/deaths/datasets/weeklyprovisionalfiguresondeathsregisteredinenglandandwales

On the Weekly Figures 2020 tab there are 2 rows:
“Deaths where the underlying cause was respiratory disease (ICD-10 J00-J99)”
and
“Deaths where COVID-19 was mentioned on the death certificate (ICD-10 U07.1 and U07.2)”

and a comment above “Note: Deaths could possibly be counted in both causes presented. If a death had an underlying respiratory cause and a mention of COVID-19 then it would appear in both counts.”

Which, to my mind makes this data problematic in principle unless we know the extend of the overlap.

Although we should be able to say that all those dying OF Covid appear in the respiratory disease row. And the mentioned row contains those dying WITH Covid e.g. heart failure.

319098 THE REAL NORMAL PODCAST, 1, #424 of 2095 🔗

HOPEFULLY recording a new podcast this afternoon! YIPPEE!

319100 BTLnewbie, replying to BTLnewbie, 62, #425 of 2095 🔗

A word from an old boy at Christmas, if I may. It has been a privilege to be in your company for the past 9 months.

Many of you seem to be ready to lose long-standing friends and family over their approach to the current crisis. I urge you to remember that they are just the victims of a propaganda campaign, the like of which has never been seen.

Your friends and family are not evil; they have been sadly misled. They deserve our sympathy. This will be over sooner than you think, but you have to live with them for many years yet.

Forgive them, for they know not what they do.

319104 ▶▶ Mr Dee, replying to BTLnewbie, 2, #426 of 2095 🔗

Wise words. Despite everything, have a merry Yule.

319110 ▶▶ Country Mumkin, replying to BTLnewbie, 1, #427 of 2095 🔗

Thank you for this. 🌸

319116 ▶▶ annie, replying to BTLnewbie, 13, #428 of 2095 🔗

You are noble.
But as I see it, there is a point at which gullibility becomes a crime.

319133 ▶▶ Saved To Death, replying to BTLnewbie, 18, #429 of 2095 🔗

There are a lot of things I can forgive but defending/supporting a totalitarian takeover of the country, the imprisonment of myself and my children, the destruction of my/their lives and futures and the violation of my/their bodies is not one of them.

319137 ▶▶ JHuntz, replying to BTLnewbie, 4, #430 of 2095 🔗

Can’t do it mate the stakes are too high.

319152 ▶▶ Smelly Melly, replying to BTLnewbie, 6, #431 of 2095 🔗

I thought my brother in law was a dickhead long before this and over the past 9 months he’s proved himself to be a very annoying dickhead.

319160 ▶▶ Sam Vimes, replying to BTLnewbie, 5, #432 of 2095 🔗

I find people who argue against *facts* very exhausting and maddening. There’s opinion, there’s preference, but when it comes to the simple truth, if they argue against that – with no backup – you gotta walk away.

319194 ▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to BTLnewbie, 3, #433 of 2095 🔗

Agree with you on this but it simply confirms that my parents are well meaning but patronising gits and my sister & brother in law are complicit in child abuse under the guise of love and care.

Am done with them for the time being.

320280 ▶▶ Borisbullshit, replying to BTLnewbie, #434 of 2095 🔗

Thats ok up to a point but what when they are being highly abusive to you? I am prepared to differ about things but when the abuse starts about being ‘stupid’ or ‘granny killing’ etc I tend to be a lot less tolerant!

319103 Mr Dee, 2, #435 of 2095 🔗

First part of this podcast is an excellent summary of the Nervtag meeting that plunged us into Christmas lockdown, and an analysis of Fergusson’s unjustifiable justification behind our imprisonment, from an American perspective.

https://www.thelastamericanvagabond.com/more-flawed-imperial-college-models-led-xmas-lockdown-ppe-foreknowledge-vaccine-side-effects/

319105 PatrickF, replying to PatrickF, 19, #436 of 2095 🔗

I don’t wear a mask, because Nicola Sturgeon doesn’t.

319109 ▶▶ Basics, replying to PatrickF, 3, #437 of 2095 🔗

Fair.

319114 ▶▶ annie, replying to PatrickF, 4, #438 of 2095 🔗

Sorry, I down-ticked you by mistake, I meant it for an uptick!

319127 ▶▶▶ PatrickF, replying to annie, 2, #439 of 2095 🔗

Nae offence teken, as Robbie Burns would say.

319146 ▶▶ IanE, replying to PatrickF, 4, #440 of 2095 🔗

Mind you, she SHOULD (the whole time)!

319233 ▶▶ kf99, replying to PatrickF, 2, #441 of 2095 🔗

Can someone take out some kind of private prosecution of her? Not sure how Scottish law works. And who took the picture? Shows she has some enemies in the inner circle now

319380 ▶▶▶ Ewan Duffy, replying to kf99, #442 of 2095 🔗

I’m sure Alex Salmond would be up for it 😉

319121 p02099003, replying to p02099003, 10, #443 of 2095 🔗

As a Vulcan I object to my species being portrayed on film by a human actor.
live long and prosper.

319138 ▶▶ karenovirus, replying to p02099003, 3, #444 of 2095 🔗

The Chinese have developed a new histogram character for western wokery,
virtue signaling and box ticking in movies.

It translates as ‘whiteliberalshit’

They want tough blokes fighting and the good guy getting the girl.
The Chinese are now the largest audience for moves, Hollywood take note.

319182 ▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to karenovirus, 2, #445 of 2095 🔗

And they tend to like straightforward good and evil story lines too.

319144 ▶▶ Mr Dee, replying to p02099003, 2, #446 of 2095 🔗

How dare you! Nimoy wasn’t human.

319155 ▶▶ Crystal Decanter, replying to p02099003, 2, #447 of 2095 🔗

“Baizuo, (pronounced “bye-tswaw) a derogatory term in Mandarin that refers to the “leftist elites” in the West, has become increasingly popular among China’s netizens”

Start using it to please our CCP masters

319202 ▶▶ p02099003, replying to p02099003, 4, #448 of 2095 🔗

Mikado performed by white operatic company.
Mary Poppins – cockney portrayed (v. badly) by American
Aladdin (pantomime) portrayed by non Arabic performers.
Beavers in Lion Witch and wardrobe portrayed by humans not beavers
English people portrayed by non English people
Belgian detective portrayed by English actor.
Yorkshire man portrayed by person from Lancashire.
Americans portrayed by Canadians. (William Shatner as T.J. Hooker)
Scotsmen portrayed by Canadians (James Doohan as Scotty)
reducto ad absurdum

319221 ▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to p02099003, 1, #449 of 2095 🔗

Frenchman portrayed by a Brit (Patrick Stewart and Jean Luc Picard)

319251 ▶▶▶▶ calchas, replying to Bart Simpson, 7, #450 of 2095 🔗

Covid-19 portayed by flu.

319140 Elenesse, replying to Elenesse, 24, #451 of 2095 🔗

Although my plans for Christmas haven’t changed whatsoever for this Christmas regardless of whatever idiotic rules they bring in next, I can’t help but feel an overwhelming sense of loss and sadness that any joy to be had in life has effectively been outlawed.

Where the hell did we go wrong that it’s now considered virtuous to not see your family or friends at all? We should all be inherently free to socialise with whoever we wish to. Who the hell do these people think they are that they can dictate to us who we can and can’t see and where?

319147 ▶▶ Crystal Decanter, replying to Elenesse, 7, #452 of 2095 🔗

or
revel in the joy of not following the rules
Do every little thing you can to stick it to the Coronatarians
and smirk whilst doing it

319163 ▶▶ Liz F, replying to Elenesse, 9, #453 of 2095 🔗

Yup, in 2020 we find ourselves with a government that is dictating what we can and cannot do, where we can go, who we can see, who we can talk to, how far apart we should stand from another human being, what we should wear on our faces…and so many people just roll over and comply.

319169 ▶▶▶ Elenesse, replying to Liz F, 6, #454 of 2095 🔗

I find the YouTube channel AwakenWithJP really useful in putting everything in perspective. He highlights masterfully the complete idiocy of what’s going on right now and they’re funny too! I particularly like his video How to Raise Weak Children During Lockdowns. Everything he says is so spot on!

https://youtube.com/user/AwakenWithJP

320290 ▶▶▶ Borisbullshit, replying to Liz F, #455 of 2095 🔗

Or who you can have sex with.

319142 Basileus, replying to Basileus, 3, #456 of 2095 🔗

The latest from The Bernician is here:

https://www.thebernician.net/covid-1984-pcp-update-prima-facie-evidence-of-pandemic-fraud/

There is a very good summary of the evidence for a criminal prosecution, but still some hurdles to overcome.

319184 ▶▶ Basics, replying to Basileus, 1, #457 of 2095 🔗

As said last night it contains some valid comme t about Dolan’s case. Worth a read. It does provide a good recap of key points of evidence as you say.

319156 Jonny S., #458 of 2095 🔗

Reply to Swedenborg somewhere below, a double check of the ONS figures here, up to 4th Dec 2020.

https://fingertips.phe.org.uk/static-reports/mortality-surveillance/excess-mortality-in-england-latest.html

relevant figure attached.

319158 Jay Berger, replying to Jay Berger, 15, #459 of 2095 🔗

“We’ve had lockdowns in Wales, we’ve had the lockdowns in the north-west, and every time there’s a lockdown, the case rates increased, and there’s nobody seems to be able to put an answer to that, except for the fact that, when you have a lockdown, you maximise the testing, and, when there’s a testing problem, you’re going to get the maximum error rates from maximum testing.”

The definition of insanity now applies to any form of lockdown-ing and to any person advocating, demanding or executing it.
Let’s hope it doesn’t immunize them from their eventual prosecution.

319188 ▶▶ JHuntz, replying to Jay Berger, 10, #460 of 2095 🔗

The answer that I hear is something along the lines of “but the kids are still at school” “it’s those people not wearing masks” “i’ve been out at shops and people aren’t even observing social distancing”. people are still stuck in the details. Debating tiers and the nuances of rules. The behavioural team have done an exceptional job of dividing our nation through multiple avenues.

We are miles off rejecting it all for a return to normality. As many seems to agree on here we are not going back to normal and from what I gather the population don’t seem to want normal anyway.

I hate to sound bleak but I don’t see how we win the fight back to normal. I don’t know what outcome would be considered a success at this rate?

319219 ▶▶▶ Charlie Blue, replying to JHuntz, 5, #461 of 2095 🔗

I agree that many don’t seem to want normal. After 9 months of fear mongering and infantilisation their expectations for themselves and our society seem to have shifted, perhaps irrevocably.

Like many others here I have always thought that the shift will come when enough people feel the economic pain, but who knows when the magic money tree will finally wither. People are gradually joining the ranks of the unemployed, but the gradual drip, drip and lack of attention to this from MSM seems to ensure that the magnitude of the disaster remains obscured. I wonder whether this will prevent the sense of shared grievance and anger ever reaching the critical mass. Will people just remain in their physical and psychological isolation and accept defeat?

I’m sorry that’s not hopeful, just wondering aloud….

319242 ▶▶▶▶ calchas, replying to Charlie Blue, 1, #462 of 2095 🔗

The financial collapse is on it’s way, don’t worry.

In my opinion the reason for this operation was to delay/deal with it, install the social controls that were deemed necessary.

Taxation now covers less than half of government expenditure – month after month after month.

319255 ▶▶▶▶▶ Charlie Blue, replying to calchas, #463 of 2095 🔗

I know it must be. Whether that was planned or not from the beginning, I agree that it now necessitates the social control that is tightening with every turn of the screw.

320311 ▶▶▶▶ Borisbullshit, replying to Charlie Blue, #464 of 2095 🔗

Great post and we need to consider this properly. The 1930s are often seen as a terrible decade economically. They certainly were for those who were unemployed with little financial support. However real wages grew for the great majority in work which lessens the political pressure for change. I think there are strong parallels with today.

Also I know someone who lost his job at M and S in November as they got rid of large numbers of jobs. Now he was always a huge lockdown zealot and he still is!! He blames his job loss on ‘the pandemic’ and not the lockdowns. So maybe we should not be too complacent about economic pain changing minds. I used to feel sorry for him but now I have little sympathy.

319224 ▶▶ Carrie, replying to Jay Berger, 4, #465 of 2095 🔗

Mask-wearing doesn’t help either…

319268 ▶▶ Crystal Decanter, replying to Jay Berger, 1, #466 of 2095 🔗

You Covid infested vermin
Chairman dRapeford has proclaimed it is all your fault

320604 ▶▶ SweetBabyCheeses, replying to Jay Berger, #467 of 2095 🔗

Leicester has never been out of lockdown since March! And it doesn’t make a single bit of difference… possibly even makes it worse.

319172 Richym99, 7, #468 of 2095 🔗

Coming home from work this morning, these lyrics were fairly appropriate.

Close every door to me,
Hide all the world from me
Bar all the windows
And shut out the light
Do what you want with me,
Hate me and laugh at me
Darken my daytime
And torture my night

Sums up the coming days quite nicely in my view.

319175 PoshPanic, 6, #469 of 2095 🔗

Thanks for the link to my daft skit in the update 👍
Some great stuff today. But for me this line from our doctor, I thought was simple and refreshing honesty, something we’ve missed a lot of this year. This is where we’re at at this time of year.

The straight answer is I don’t know. It could be as simple as a change in the weather.

319176 Sam Vimes, 19, #470 of 2095 🔗

Tone, shut the fuck up eh, mate? Asking for a nation.

319183 Jay Berger, replying to Jay Berger, 10, #471 of 2095 🔗

The WHO has gone full witchcraft and has certified itself as being officially corrupt with its new definition of herd immunity.
As Gatti, Montanari and CHD have stated, scientifically, the exact opposite is true: medical evidence for herd immunity through vaccinations simply does not exist.

But at least their take on it is now officially confirmed: that herd immunity is an entirely theoretical computer model concept without any medical evidence, invented by computer modelers, aka epidemiologists, on behalf of the vaccine industry, to justify the vaccination of all people, so, in particular of everyone not at risk of a pathogen or disease, in order to reap even more gigantic profits and bribes and in order to be able to pursue eugenic agendas more easily.

319719 ▶▶ Ben, replying to Jay Berger, 1, #472 of 2095 🔗

The WHO is just the collective voice of pharma companies, since it is they who mostly finance it. That’s how the word ‘pandemic’ changed its definition (by the WHO) in 2009, because Pharma companies applied pressure on the WHO to change it

319190 Mr Dee, replying to Mr Dee, 11, #473 of 2095 🔗

Gig. St Petersburg. Russia. Dec 20, 2020

319192 ▶▶ JHuntz, replying to Mr Dee, 8, #474 of 2095 🔗

Russia and China are now better places to live.

319208 ▶▶▶ Bella Donna, replying to JHuntz, 10, #475 of 2095 🔗

Russia certainly seems more appealing, which is quite a revelation.

319191 Country Mumkin, replying to Country Mumkin, 3, #476 of 2095 🔗

IMPORTANT: Re the suggestion from Tony Blair for more of population to get one dose of vaccine….look at this:

Susan Michie says 91% effective after first dose so of course the 4% after second dose is not worth it….

But then…

Someone else points out a BMJ article says it’s 52% effective.

https://mobile.twitter.com/mishwoz/status/1341648525642375168

[scroll up to see Susan Michie original tweet]

Keep an eye on that BMJ article. See if it’s still there over the next couple of days!

319201 ▶▶ Bella Donna, replying to Country Mumkin, 1, #477 of 2095 🔗

I wondered how long it would be before this 💩 popped up again.

319299 ▶▶ Basics, replying to Country Mumkin, #478 of 2095 🔗

So in actual fact peeling bliar away from this story and taking michie for whats she is worth are we perhaps seeing a major crack opening in their plan. The vaccine roll out is not going to work for some reason? Not enough squalene (sp) or not enough uptake or too many reactions?

It feels as though their is some modelling that is causing the 2 shot plan to be collapsed or cut short.

320213 ▶▶▶ Country Mumkin, replying to Basics, 1, #479 of 2095 🔗

That’s the way it looks to me. Lock every down. Put the fear of God into everyone with the mutant strains. You’ve also got Jacinda saying to her people not to look at any other sources of info apart from her.

They want everyone to take the poison as quickly as possible. Or this was the plan all along. Which it might be. It follows the general plan that was leaked.

319193 Bella Donna, 12, #480 of 2095 🔗

Until the government stops manipulating the statistics about Covid and they stop MSM from fear mongering headlines I will ignore all their ‘advice’. Having just watched a video by a American Professor about how viruses mutate it becomes clear that we have unscrupulous government advisors who pick and choose which bits of evidence to release.

319196 LS99, replying to LS99, 4, #481 of 2095 🔗

I’d like to highly recommend a really good podcast (sorry can’t link to it as I’m not on my usual device) Escape from Lockdown where he interviews the cartoonist Bob Moran (23 Oct). BM talks with great wisdom and compassion about the need to see human faces, have ordinary human contact among other interesting things.

Sorry not to be more helpful with the links!

319210 ▶▶ Mabel Cow, replying to LS99, 5, #482 of 2095 🔗
319197 Stringfellow Hawke, 2, #483 of 2095 🔗

More good stuff from RFK Jr. In conversation with a Bush you can support – Dr Zach Bush.

https://childrenshealthdefense.org/defender/truth-rfk-jr-dr-zach-bush/

319199 crimsonpirate, replying to crimsonpirate, 3, #484 of 2095 🔗

re. The Mail wonders why PHE only alerted Government scientists to the new variant in December when they had known about it since October, and why the scientists didn’t then pass the information on to ministers for several weeks .

So if I’m reading this right. When the govt showed us at the end of Oct the charts showing if we don’t lockdown we will have 4,000 deaths a day, what they could have said: We have identified a mutant variation. There we have to lockdown. That didn’t work out!

319220 ▶▶ PoshPanic, replying to crimsonpirate, 4, #485 of 2095 🔗

Because they only came up with the cunning plan a couple of weeks ago and then had to go and find a mutant strain that fit the bill?

319249 ▶▶▶ Achilles, replying to PoshPanic, 5, #486 of 2095 🔗

Exactly. Lockdown wasn’t working down South so rather than admit lockdown as a flawed policy they used the lockdown immune mutant strain to explain it. Lockdown is an article of faith. The mutant strain argument is akin to those used by creationists to explain the existence of dinosaurs.

319260 ▶▶▶ Will, replying to PoshPanic, 4, #487 of 2095 🔗

They only came up with the plan when all their fake statistics were torn to shreds. The ONS has failed to report the results of their survey for the last two weeks so all we have are massive increase in testing leading to an increase in false positives.

“We know they are lying. They know they are lying, They know that we know they are lying. We know that they know that we know they are lying. And still they continue to lie.“

319387 ▶▶▶▶ PoshPanic, replying to Will, #488 of 2095 🔗

Quote of the day

319200 George Mc, replying to George Mc, 18, #489 of 2095 🔗

Brilliant article:

https://www.thebellows.org/the-great-covid-class-war/

“The pandemic is a convenient scapegoat for the largest upward wealth transfer in modern human history. Under the pretext of a public health policy, elites have successfully waged a counterrevolution that will result in the erosion of working conditions and quality of life for generations to come.

Lockdown fanatics have helped manufacture consent for a brutal reorganization of labor that will plunge millions of people into serfdom. The work-from-home lifestyle is only possible through the labor of logistics workers who transport, sort, and deliver goods. Currently about 10 million jobs that existed in February have not been replaced. Many workers have been forced to take on part-time, no-contract work, a labor model that is rolling back decades of hard-fought protections.

At the start of the covid crisis, vocal segments of the American left argued that economic shutdown was a way to resist billionaires and capitalism. This demonstrated a deep misunderstanding of the way financiers can profit from economic contraction. Many on the left chose to ignore the Biblical scale of the destruction that economic stoppages would cause, arguing that the covid crisis was an opportunity. Today the left continues to advance the illusion that meaningful relief is possible, while workers’ pensions are plundered, children’s futures disappear, and 150 million people are pushed into extreme poverty worldwide. Lockdowns were not bungled by incompetent leaders. They were in fact executed perfectly, because their purpose was not public health but rather the rapid installment of a regressive neoliberal agenda designed by the nonprofit industrial complex.

319228 ▶▶ George Mc, replying to George Mc, 9, #490 of 2095 🔗

“Many on the left chose to ignore the Biblical scale of the destruction that economic stoppages would cause, arguing that the covid crisis was an opportunity. … Lockdowns were not bungled by incompetent leaders. They were in fact executed perfectly, because their purpose was not public health but rather the rapid installment of a regressive neoliberal agenda designed by the nonprofit industrial complex.”

And so it goes and will continue to go. The “incompetence” meme has been the great calling card of the Left and of the “radical satirical writers” every step of the way. The Spitting Image sketch with its schoolboy fart humour is a marginally more moronic version of this Leftist “subversion”. These self-congratulating “rebels” launch their “incisive” attacks on the establishment without ever showing any awareness at all that they are simply puppets playing a role in a theatre that has been set up for them.

319230 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to George Mc, 6, #491 of 2095 🔗

Superb but horrifying. More so than new strain of Covid that’s for sure.

Once you add in the fact that people will soon come face to face with the personal costs of all this, the political upheaval will be huge as they also realise they’ve also given up freedom, job security (job insecurity is a good thing for the elites remember) and any semblance of secure incomes.

319239 ▶▶▶ Noumenon, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 2, #492 of 2095 🔗

Job insecurity is only good for the elite if kept within certain proportions. If unemployment becomes too high that part of the population can become a vocal and existential threat to the elite. Carrot and stick only works if the stick is under a certain length.

319520 ▶▶▶ George Mc, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 1, #493 of 2095 🔗

And the most nauseating thing is that when they start to complain about these very real issues, they will be condemned for being “selfish” as in “Don’t you know there’s a plague on?”

319301 ▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to George Mc, -1, #494 of 2095 🔗

Sounds like typical gobbledegook from the cousins to me. “Regressive neoliberalism”. Really? Still, good for a bit of pre-xmas entertainment 😈

319353 ▶▶▶ Crystal Decanter, replying to Nick Rose, 2, #495 of 2095 🔗

100% Neo Liberalism.
Why large swathes of the Left are on board is beyond me

319531 ▶▶▶ George Mc, replying to Nick Rose, #496 of 2095 🔗

Congratulations for homing in on two words you don’t like. If “regressive neoliberal” annoys you then substitute, “massive carve up”.

319206 Schrodinger, 11, #497 of 2095 🔗

Am I being particularly stupid?

New mutant strain discovered September but “ PHE did not alert the Government or its scientists to the mutated strain’s existence until December, by which point more than 1,100 people were confirmed to have had the new version of the virus.”

But Google’s cases data shows that after the original outbreak at the beginning of March cases were running at 4-5000 a day after about a month. Meanwhile the new 70% more infectious variety has taken 3 months to get to 1,100 total cases? The only thing that seems to be 70% more infectious is stupidity.

319207 Cecil B, replying to Cecil B, 9, #498 of 2095 🔗

So the Turdgeon is a lying hypocrite. Who knew?

319329 ▶▶ annie, replying to Cecil B, #499 of 2095 🔗

Oooh gosh, I am so shocked.
BTW, have you ever seen a pic of Dungford in face knickers?

319212 calchas, replying to calchas, 4, #500 of 2095 🔗

Fire destroys Hydroxychloroquine factory in Taiwan:

Liberty Times reported that the factory produces hydroxychloroquine APIs, and is the world’s second largest HCQ raw material supplier.”

https://taiwanenglishnews.com/pharmaceutical-factory-on-fire-after-explosion-2-injured/

319213 ▶▶ Carrie, replying to calchas, 3, #501 of 2095 🔗

Deliberate?

319218 ▶▶▶ calchas, replying to Carrie, 3, #502 of 2095 🔗

I don’t know.

Who would have anything against hydroxychloroquine.

It’s just a drug for treating illnesses.

🙂

319235 ▶▶▶ Be Unshakeable, replying to Carrie, 2, #503 of 2095 🔗

Pfisis extremists.

319337 ▶▶▶▶ anon, replying to Be Unshakeable, #504 of 2095 🔗

ha very good!

319546 ▶▶▶ Victoria, replying to Carrie, #505 of 2095 🔗

Great question. Very suspicious

319232 ▶▶ Dan Clarke, replying to calchas, 2, #506 of 2095 🔗

stop at nothing, they are evil

319263 ▶▶▶ Darryl, replying to Dan Clarke, 4, #507 of 2095 🔗

The same people would make up ‘weapons of mass destruction’ to start a war that further destabilised an already chaotic region, so burning down a factory is neither here nor there to them.

319214 George Mc, replying to George Mc, 4, #508 of 2095 🔗

High Chance” of Lockdown 3 in New Year

Tell us something we don’t know!

319256 ▶▶ Thomas_E, replying to George Mc, 1, #509 of 2095 🔗

Yawn.Old news.

319607 ▶▶ this is my username, replying to George Mc, #510 of 2095 🔗

According to the DM, we’re on day 275 of lockdown, so it never ended.

319231 Basics, 5, #511 of 2095 🔗

“MHRA has responded to my email questions about the origin of the genomic sequence from which the material known as mRNA in the Pfizer BioNTech #vaccine derives.
I quote:
“The DNA template used does not come directly from an isolated virus from an infected person.””

https://twitter.com/2013Boodicca/status/1341565604273242113?s=20

The thread goes on:

“& “The DNA template(severe acute respiratory syndrome coronavirus 2, GenBank: MN908947.3) was generated via a combination of gene synthesis and recombinant DNA technology.”
https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/944544/COVID-19_mRNA_Vaccine_BNT162b2__UKPAR___PFIZER_BIONTECH__15Dec2020.pdf…

It continues:

“I had to push hard to get the answer I wanted.
I had to know if the mRNA is genuine or created by a computer program. All evidence pointed to there being no isolated #SARSCov2 virus anywhere in the world.
Given our recent experiences with computer “models” –

Can we trust this?”

The thread continues on the link above.

Brilliant work by Frances Leader.

So why would they not be basing their work on an isolated virus from an infected person? …?

319237 Achilles, replying to Achilles, 13, #512 of 2095 🔗

Here in Kent probably 80% wearing masks outside. The government and media have really done a number on them, no need for mandation. I wonder if these people will accept it’s safe again just as quickly when told. Probably. No evidence of any independent thought here.

319254 ▶▶ Thomas_E, replying to Achilles, 5, #513 of 2095 🔗

Same in C London..You now get funny look s for NOT wearing a mask outside. I had a family ( all masked including a toddler in a buggy!!) literally spotting me, stopping, and in panic crossing a busy road. People are complying totally..

319324 ▶▶▶ annie, replying to Thomas_E, 4, #514 of 2095 🔗

Complying with what? Nobody told them to knicker up outside.

319238 Bart Simpson, replying to Bart Simpson, 6, #515 of 2095 🔗

The Ming the Merciless story shows how much standards of education have slipped and how our governing class seek to patronise us and deprive people of what they enjoy.

Anyone with half a brain could see that Flash Gordon is a fictional character and that the film itself is fiction. How Ming the Merciless could potentially be offensive is stupid.

As someone who is of East Asian extraction, I’m very much aware that Ming is a fictional character from the Planet Mongo which is a fictional place. Nothing to do with that part of the world.

319246 ▶▶ Ovis, replying to Bart Simpson, 5, #516 of 2095 🔗

Oh, you naughty race traitor, you. Don’t you know that it’s your inalienable inherited job to be perpetually seething with rage against the wickedness of Whitey, and this rage is to be directed against any target indicated by your superiors? It’s called liberation, and progress. Get with the programme!

319725 ▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to Ovis, #517 of 2095 🔗

🤣 🤣 🤣

319262 ▶▶ Crystal Decanter, replying to Bart Simpson, 2, #518 of 2095 🔗

The fact that the baizuo immediately jump to conflating Ming with East Asians, states everything about them and nothing about Flash Gordon.
Wokery places race at the heart of everything- whilst calling everyone else a racist

319667 ▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to Crystal Decanter, #519 of 2095 🔗

Agree. Whoever coined that term is spot on.

319349 ▶▶ mjr, replying to Bart Simpson, 3, #520 of 2095 🔗

but as you are of Asian extraction you are not allowed to think for yourself .. Your thinking must be done by a white liberal man on your behalf and you must take offence because he says you should.

319666 ▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to mjr, #521 of 2095 🔗

Or woman!!! If anything the women are the worst!

319240 Dan Clarke, replying to Dan Clarke, 7, #522 of 2095 🔗

Could be wrong, but this seems like the deliberate sabotage for the destruction of western economies including preventing a no deal brexit for the financial reset, could be wrong….

319247 ▶▶ Be Unshakeable, replying to Dan Clarke, 2, #523 of 2095 🔗

Deliberate or no, the result will be the same.

319264 ▶▶ kh1485, replying to Dan Clarke, 6, #524 of 2095 🔗

I don’t think you are wrong. After nine months and with no end in sight, there can be no question that this is anything other than deliberate.

320327 ▶▶▶ Borisbullshit, replying to kh1485, #525 of 2095 🔗

Toby ,the founder of this site is unable to accept this. He says he cannot see what anyone would gain from such a deliberate act. See the latest ‘london calling’ with James Delingpole.

319274 ▶▶ Darryl, replying to Dan Clarke, 5, #526 of 2095 🔗

It certainly looks like engineered panic using the mainstream media for propaganda and the police for the physical intimidation. The money being created from nowhere will suddenly need to be repaid to nowhere when the social engineering strategy switched back to taxation.

I am sure the police officers will be awarded Iron Crosses or something similar for the terror campaign they are carrying out.

319365 ▶▶ Crystal Decanter, replying to Dan Clarke, 3, #527 of 2095 🔗

Economic war by Red China to get Trump out and Bejing Biden in

319241 Dan L, replying to Dan L, 23, #528 of 2095 🔗

I took a cross country car trip yesterday mainly travelling on motorways. This would be a very boring message in normal times as there were no problems whatsoever. There was quite heavy traffic and a lot of HGVs. My journey took me from tier 2 to tier 3. I saw one police vehicle the whole journey. Motorway signs informed me of the current tier status although i’m uncertain what relevance this has to driving. Do I go faster in tier 3 to outrun the virus? There was some pointless message about travel documents to the EU on some message boards. It seemed to me if you understood the message (I didn’t) then you would have already done what was required.

I was a bit anxious about going into services mask free but no problem there. When you have an eating area others are mask free so I didn’t feel out of place. As suggested to me by another contributor (thanks!) I now carry a lanyard under my jumper. It is not really visible at all but helps with confidence. Maybe a bit like having a cross to ward off vampires.

Later that evening I went to the local morrisons to get Christmas grub in. It was fine being unmasked there too. Lots of staff were out restocking the shelves nearly all mask free. Everyone friendly. It felt almost normal. Not really any sign of panic buying. They were out of sprouts (panic!) but other than that I got everything I needed.

319293 ▶▶ Stephanos, replying to Dan L, 2, #529 of 2095 🔗

Glad to hear they were out of sprouts. Now you can have a Brexit Christmas dinner – no Brussels.

319320 ▶▶▶ annie, replying to Stephanos, 6, #530 of 2095 🔗

I like sprouts! I will resist the anti-sprout mafia to my last sprout! No dinner without sprouts! Free the sprout! Down with sproutism! Fight sprout hysteria NOW!

319393 ▶▶▶▶ Dan L, replying to annie, 1, #531 of 2095 🔗

I’m a sprout fan too. I’ll suffer any indignity but take away my sprouts and there will be trouble.

319472 ▶▶▶▶▶ Templeton, replying to Dan L, #532 of 2095 🔗

with pancetta and chestnuts.

Get in mah belly!

319326 ▶▶ Old Bill, replying to Dan L, 1, #533 of 2095 🔗

Hey, if the world ran out of sprouts forever it wouldn’t be a day too soon.

319370 ▶▶ PoshPanic, replying to Dan L, 3, #534 of 2095 🔗

My experience in the supermarket was much the same.

319426 ▶▶▶ Dan L, replying to PoshPanic, #535 of 2095 🔗

How do you find the attitude of small food shops to being mask free? I’m wary as I expect it may vary quite a lot depending the attitude of who runs the place.

320332 ▶▶▶▶ Borisbullshit, replying to Dan L, #536 of 2095 🔗

You are right it does.

319716 ▶▶ Edward, replying to Dan L, #537 of 2095 🔗

No panic buying in Lidl this morning, in fact they seem to have overstocked on bread as there was quite a lot at reduced price being near its use-by date. Usually the public when approaching a holiday weekend seem to buy enough supplies for a month, so I don’t know why that isn’t happening now especially as a full lockdown seems to be on the way very soon.

319243 guy153, replying to guy153, 3, #538 of 2095 🔗

The data showing that the new mutant super-strain results in higher viral load. Well maybe. A bit.

https://t.co/UvNhqdPvkN?amp=1

Looking at the box plots you can see that they’re pretty close together. They do some statistical analysis the results of which are in Table 1. Basically it’s saying the odds of your having high viral load if you catch the new Y501 mutant are somewhere between 1.111x and 23.218x what they are if you catch plain old N501. Because that range just excludes 1 this counts as statistically significant. By a whisker.

By “high viral” load they mean greater than >= 10^3 on their diagram. It’s not clear if they cherry-picked that threshold to just scrape past 1 on the odds-ratio.

Conclude from this what you will but it’s not a smoking gun.

319252 ▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to guy153, 2, #539 of 2095 🔗

Well they’ve cherry-picked everything else – or just invented numbers to suit if that still didn’t work.

319288 ▶▶ RickH, replying to guy153, #540 of 2095 🔗

Claire Craig (above) on the actual sample numbers is v. interesting. Still – shit statistics are the order of the day.

319245 DeepBlueYonder, #541 of 2095 🔗

Visualization of lockdown costs vs benefits from Prof Norman Fenton:

https://twitter.com/profnfenton/status/1340349961301614595/photo/1

319248 Cheezilla, 11, #542 of 2095 🔗

“The numbers look awful” the source said.

Swathes are plunging
Spikes are surging
The “mutant virus” is bleeding (WTF??!)

It’s UNPRECEDENTED!

It’s also a load of egregious bollox.
How can they print this fearmongering drivel every day and then sleep at night?

319253 PoshPanic, 1, #543 of 2095 🔗

Might be a bit off topic, but this old SNL sketch seems to have renewed relevance, lot’s of bad people getting sump’n this year..

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jWnP2jO06gc

319258 Tyneside Tigress, 1, #544 of 2095 🔗

Alert – emergency meeting of Science & Technology committee with Horby, Barclay and Ferguson of NERVTAG

If only Dingwall had been called!

319261 GuyRich, replying to GuyRich, #545 of 2095 🔗

This was the email I received for a team leader roll……….

An exciting opportunity to support the fight against Covid-19 as a Team Leader!

The UK’s testing capacity is growing, why not put your previous experience to valuable use and support the Covid recovery efforts to help reopen society and the economy, through a role across 3 schools – however you will be based at 1 school.

Pay rate: £21 per hour
Location: Milton Keynes
Hours: School time hours Mon – Fri
Contract: 4 – 6 weeks
Start sdate: January 2021

*MUST HAVE experience in relevant sector*

Key Responsibilities:
As a team leader you will be responsible for the day-to-day supervising and supporting managers in the testing centres as well as other duties such as:

• Undertake training on how to administer the throat and nasal swab test
• Undertake training on hand washing and ensure personal hygiene is maintained to a high level
• If needed (e.g. disabled students and staff) undertake throat and nasal swab test
• Undertake training on Personal Protective Equipment (PPE) requirements and ensure PPE is worn and changed as required.
• Support Test Operative and Test Processing Operative.
• Enables switching of tasks to avoid repetitive tasks throughout the session.

Requirements:

• Commitment to the work and to following the strict guideline and procedures required
• Experience working with members of the public/patients
• Good interpersonal skills and caring nature
• Must be able to physically stand for several hours.

Full training and supervision will be provided.

319270 ▶▶ Two-Six, replying to GuyRich, 2, #546 of 2095 🔗

Thank goodness I am unemployable.

319308 ▶▶▶ anon, replying to Two-Six, 2, #547 of 2095 🔗

you could apply for the job and then subvert these fuckers if they offered you the job

319476 ▶▶▶ DavidC, replying to Two-Six, 1, #548 of 2095 🔗

You and me both!

DavidC

319273 ▶▶ annie, replying to GuyRich, #549 of 2095 🔗

Full training so’s you can wash your hands.

319285 ▶▶ p02099003, replying to GuyRich, #550 of 2095 🔗

This is a registered nurse educator role. Band 7.

319289 ▶▶ Basics, replying to GuyRich, #551 of 2095 🔗

Commitment to the work! What? Really this isn’t a spoof? They are using vacated heads to write their adverts now.

319342 ▶▶ Recusant, replying to GuyRich, #552 of 2095 🔗

I am an expert in sitting around watching Netflix, I have a lot of relevant experience and could even lead people in this sector. Perhaps I could persuade my employer to put me on furlough and then at £21 an hour make a nice tidy Christmas bonus.

320909 ▶▶ Ben, replying to GuyRich, #553 of 2095 🔗

Big Pharma brownshirts

319265 Two-Six, replying to Two-Six, 25, #554 of 2095 🔗

Morning, Just listenimng to the BASTARD BBC (R4) and BBC woman interviewing a woman who runs an advice service for families and is saying they are totally inudated with calls 1 in 3 of which they can’t now answer as they are so busy.

They are busy with people terrified that their children will be taken into care, that their families are breaking up, that domestic violence against women is OFF THE CHARTS!

So the twatt of a presenter on the bastard BBC just cannot bring herself to say that this shit show is caused by the bullshit the BBC has pumped out for the oast 10 months and the insane policies of the Fat Pig Dictator and his band on insane psychopaths, NO its the pandemic innit.
I hate the BBC so much, just 3 minutes and I am shaking with RAGE.

While I am here, the WHO’s re-classification of community immunity is just pure hardcore psy-op, bastards, and fuck Costco for ever. Bastards.

As for the testing of school kids by some bloke called Darren who used to work in a vape shop but is now stuffing cotton buds deep into kids faces. Fuck that too.

Any parents or teachers who consent to this need prosecution for child abuse.

319272 ▶▶ annie, replying to Two-Six, 8, #555 of 2095 🔗

Agree shole-heartedly, Two-Six, but take care of yourself, SWITCH OFF YOUR RADIO!

319321 ▶▶ Peter Tabord, replying to Two-Six, 3, #556 of 2095 🔗

I don’t listen to it. And I have utter contempt for anyone who still does, given the blatant lies they have propagated. Much of what they spew out about the virus is contradicted by the NHS’s own figures and statements, but they can’t even be bothered to look that far.

319727 ▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to Two-Six, 2, #557 of 2095 🔗

Stopped listening to Radio 4 eons ago when it dawned on me that I wanted to stab the radio with my chopping knife.

319271 Thomas_E, replying to Thomas_E, 14, #558 of 2095 🔗

Look, I stopped reading any of the articles about 2 months ago. What news are they telling me? We all know this is aa complete dumpster fire of a situation and it does not matter how many experts or doctors or fucking Nobel prize winners says so .The 995 of the population does not care , and will not be told otherwise. What did Mark twain Said : It’s easier to fool people that to tell them they they have been fooled themselves.
Unless somebody says this on the BBC at 6 Pm news or at PM briefing, it does not mean anything for almost everybody in this fucking country. I’m here for the rants, companionship and moral support of the LS community. Because let’s be hones, we cannot go anywhere else and post the thing that we post without being called very nasty names. My prediction for 2021, same as 2020 but a lot worse in every single way. Merry Fucking Christmas.

319281 ▶▶ RickH, replying to Thomas_E, 13, #559 of 2095 🔗

OK – ranting has its place, and converting anyone is a slow hard job. But it does happen (said from a Christmas house full of now sceptics of various strengths, but all debating the latest information and trying to keep up with reality).

And whilst letting off steam is OK, the main use of this site is as a clearing house for emerging hard data and rational opinion based on it. I may be angry – but I also want to be well-informed and right.

319284 ▶▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to RickH, #560 of 2095 🔗

Ditto

319460 ▶▶▶ Crystal Decanter, replying to RickH, #561 of 2095 🔗

Yep
Leave Icke and bonkers Corbyn on the peg outside please

319292 ▶▶ Be Unshakeable, replying to Thomas_E, 3, #562 of 2095 🔗

I’m taking the giant hint from the universe and moving inward, instead of worrying about the pandemic of insanity currently sweeping our world of lies and illusion. My bags are packed and I’m sneaking out the back door in the dead of night. I won’t be coming back again.

Good luck all, see you on the other side.

“Wisdom is knowing I am nothing,

Love is knowing I am everything,

and between the two my life moves.”

― Nisargadatta Maharaj

319600 ▶▶ Mark, replying to Thomas_E, 4, #563 of 2095 🔗

This is not really a place for converting people. It’s more a place of r&r, reinforcement, resupply, and inspiration for those already disillusioned with the elite dogma.

As RickH points out, one of the primary uses of this place has always been disseminating information and arguments that counter the prevailing propaganda. I know a number of people who say they read the atl material but never come to the comments.

And alongside that purpose has always been the other goal that you describe of providing a meeting place for like-minded antilockdowners. One of the main goals of elite propaganda and censorship has always been to make dissenters feel isolated, alone and insane – as it was done to “racists”, so it is being done now to lockdown dissenters and “anti-vaxxers”. The parallels are stark for anyone who has observed these developments honestly over the past half century Places like this counter that directly.

So there are twin primary benefits of LS to the antilockdown cause. Neither should be underestimated in its importance, imo.

319276 calchas, 9, #564 of 2095 🔗

From the update:

“The big difference between this year and previous winter ‘crises’ is that Hospital staff are now being repeatedly tested for Covid…”

No, they are being administered a PCR, which is represented as – when positive – indicating the presence of a virus called SarsCov-2 (which according to the CDC has not been isolated) which is presumed to cause a disease called covid-19, the symptoms of which are virtually identical to those of other repiratory diseases.

319280 Country Mumkin, 2, #565 of 2095 🔗

This WEF article doesn’t appear woke to me. Seems to leak something else; maybe some truer motives in there hidden behind what could be easily rationalised but I don’t believe that’s what they mean.
https://mobile.twitter.com/wef/status/1341694068728971266

319282 Richym99, replying to Richym99, 9, #566 of 2095 🔗

Surprised not to have seen any mention.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9080705/Tens-millions-30-minute-virus-swabs-set-sent-out.html

Send every home a test and you can guarantee we will be seeing headlines like 1 million infected by mutant virus.

Not to mention the obscene cost of the testing kits. We seem to be spending the equivalent cost of a new (fully staffed) hospital every week, just on pointless testing to tell us either, we might have the virus, or you might not but or you have had it at some time in the past but we can’t tell you if you are still infectious.

319340 ▶▶ DavidC, replying to Richym99, 1, #567 of 2095 🔗

I still have that piece of Stilton in my fridge…

DavidC

319363 ▶▶ Julian, replying to Richym99, #568 of 2095 🔗

The amount of money being wasted is a good one to use on those who seem to believe in it all – when asked if they honestly can’t think it would be better spent

319442 ▶▶ Mabel Cow, replying to Richym99, 4, #569 of 2095 🔗

The MHRA is said to be ‘keen to emphasise that the devices are allowed to be used only to ‘find’ cases of Covid-19 infections, so that people who were not aware they had the virus are able to isolate’. ‘They are not to be used to ‘enable’ people to make life decisions,’ they added.

Translation: it’s reliable enough to force you into hiding for a fortnight and not be able to work, but it’s not reliable enough to enable you to make any choices about your life.

Sounds legit.

319734 ▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to Richym99, #570 of 2095 🔗

My Christmas turkey is sitting on the freezer as I type……

319283 Basics, replying to Basics, 16, #571 of 2095 🔗

From David Scott Nothern Exposure/UK Colum
___

Nicola Sturgeon apologises after not wearing a face mask in a pub

Conclusion:
@NicolaSturgeon
does not believe there is a significant risk from normal behaviour or does not believe masks are beneficial.
___

We all know this, it is a useful snippet for the Christmas Table, just after the cracker pull perhaps.

A possible addition is to mention sturgeon’s pulpit partner in crime calderwood lied to obscure facts about her conduct, in the same way as a toddler may.

The point is these people know every risk going they are soaked to their gills in death data, yet they are sorry and forget. Well you don’t sorry and forget in the face of a true plague. Conclusion those with every tiny bit of data are relaxed as a lizard in a lounge bar because there are no statistically meaningful dangers.

319300 ▶▶ Katharine Stephenson, replying to Basics, 8, #572 of 2095 🔗

I would also add Tobias Ellwood’s name to the growing list of people who are far too important to uphold the rules they ram down everyone else’s throats.

319316 ▶▶▶ Basics, replying to Katharine Stephenson, #573 of 2095 🔗

Lt col privy council tob the nob elwood mp

319305 ▶▶ RickH, replying to Basics, 5, #574 of 2095 🔗

I think the tactic should not be to ponce around demanding retribution bur, as said, use these incidents to underline that even these fanatics don’r believe their own propaganda.

319286 Cheezilla, replying to Cheezilla, 4, #575 of 2095 🔗

JHuntz posted this last night:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YkcaeaD45MY
In a nutshell.

319317 ▶▶ OKUK, replying to Cheezilla, 2, #576 of 2095 🔗

Yes that’s fantastic.. everyone should view it. Also I love Jacinda’s strangulated vowels:
“Beeled beck bitter.” Apologies to any Kiwis here who don’t think their accent should be considered highly amusing.

And it sounded like the words “Build back better” were going be the last to be spoken by Bill Clinton on this earth.

319345 ▶▶▶ PoshPanic, replying to OKUK, #577 of 2095 🔗

She was clearly talking about a new beer company

319505 ▶▶▶ StevieH, replying to OKUK, #578 of 2095 🔗

I always used to crease up at the airports there when I heard over the tannoy: “Will Mr So-and-So please go to the chicken desk”!

319290 Lainey, replying to Lainey, 7, #579 of 2095 🔗

Please can everyone who feels like commenting on articles / videos remind everyone that that’s what the NIGHTINGALE HOSPITALS were meant for.
It doesn’t matter if there’s loads of new patients because there’s meant to be fever hospitals to accomodate them.
In the sludge of propoganda, people have forgotten that part of the story.

319296 ▶▶ Charlie Blue, replying to Lainey, 5, #580 of 2095 🔗

The Nightingales were only ever meant for people who had covid and no other health needs. Of course that’s virtually no one.

319304 ▶▶▶ RickH, replying to Charlie Blue, 3, #581 of 2095 🔗

… and they were set up particularly to provide intubation (remember the ‘solution’) – another forgotten craze, after its detrimental effects emerged.

319297 ▶▶ OKUK, replying to Lainey, 4, #582 of 2095 🔗

Sometimes the excuse is given they don’t have the people to staff them! I don’t believe that but if it were true, that is simply gross incompetence on the part of the NHS and Department of Health. They’ve had nearly a year to prepare.

319302 ▶▶ RickH, replying to Lainey, 2, #583 of 2095 🔗

What you don’t take into account is that we have had 9 months of selective amnesia over all sorts of pronouncements and actions. It is a major public relations strategy.

319471 ▶▶▶ stevie, replying to RickH, #584 of 2095 🔗

That is why the narrative and rules keep changing.

319306 ▶▶ James007, replying to Lainey, 5, #585 of 2095 🔗

My nearest hospital had 3 new Covid-19 patients yesterday. They are not overwhelmed on that score.

However they are overwhelmed in areas like cancer treatment. My sister is a cancer nurse and they have a large backlog of cases due to the shutdown earlier in the year. The cases they deal with are more serious (again due to the shutdown), they have fewer staff (because of a number off isolating), and they are able to treat as many patients due to the Covid cleaning rules.
It sounds like an awful working environment.

319315 ▶▶ annie, replying to Lainey, 2, #586 of 2095 🔗

Loads of wards in Welsh hospitals are shut because the staff are all enjoying a PCR holiday. Aaargh, crisis.
Talk about hoist with their own petard.
But it’s people who are genuinely ill who will suffer.

319339 ▶▶ Achilles, replying to Lainey, 2, #587 of 2095 🔗

My abiding memory is China building the hospitals months before and then they weren’t used. A clear sign that the hype was not the reality. We followed suit later and exactly the same thing happened.

319406 ▶▶ Crystal Decanter, replying to Lainey, #588 of 2095 🔗

They were FRIGHTingale hospitals
Nothing more
About as useful as a cock flavoured lollipop

319294 OKUK, replying to OKUK, 17, #589 of 2095 🔗

Why is the BBC running cover for Sturgeon? They claim she took off her mask at a funeral. No, it was at a wake, not a funeral.

They note it is an offence punishable by a fine but do not contact the authorities to find out when she will be prosecuted.

They carry no negative comments from her political opponents.

She’s been lecturing everyone for best part of a year about how important it is to follow the rules in order to save lives. Now she is trying to make out it was just a silly mistake and nothing to do with saving lives or endangering them. Sorry that’s not good enough from one who is so po-faced, hectoring and moralistic about the issue.

319314 ▶▶ dpj, replying to OKUK, 7, #590 of 2095 🔗

It would appear she was walking about a bar without her mask on and talking to elderly potentially at risk people at a table that were not members of her household. She claims she forgot to put her mask on! That will be the same memory problems she had when in front of enquiry she completely forgot about the first time she was told about allegations about Alex Salmond. #resignsturgeon

319350 ▶▶ Julian, replying to OKUK, 6, #591 of 2095 🔗

The BBC will cover for the politicians as long as they support lockdowns. If any politician steps out of line, the BBC will slaughter them. IMO they are not pro-lockdown because it is government policy, they are pro lockdown because it suits their agenda.

319295 Spikedee1, replying to Spikedee1, 8, #592 of 2095 🔗

Richard Tices letter to tiny tears wancock is excellent. Really challenges him to produce evidence that the PCR tests are reliable, to tell and give evidence of the cycling rate being used, to demonstrate the reasons for using the PCR test rather than the flow tests. He really digs deep and challenges all the narratives the government is currently fully complying with and the evidence that these policies are correct.

319328 ▶▶ OKUK, replying to Spikedee1, 1, #593 of 2095 🔗

Yes I have been impressed by his ability to dig deep.

319303 Awkward Git, replying to Awkward Git, 3, #594 of 2095 🔗

From the De Kalb County death records:

https://archive.is/B41Zl

https://www.reddit.com/r/conspiracy/comments/kio8hj/tiffany_dover_death_record/

If it is that nurse tiffany Dover then sad news nd what is going on?

319312 ▶▶ calchas, replying to Awkward Git, 1, #595 of 2095 🔗

Thanks – great find.

I also wonder about Margaret Keenan.

319458 ▶▶ Crystal Decanter, replying to Awkward Git, #596 of 2095 🔗

too good to be true
be funny if Dover keeled over

319309 chaos, replying to chaos, 12, #597 of 2095 🔗

You could tune into a talkRADIO show from May, June.. August.. December.. any date and you just get the same discussions again and again and again.. I think there will be a deal.. lockdowns don’t work.. there is no conspiracy.. there will be a brexit deal.. we must walk away.. lockdowns don’t work.. covid is a terrible disease but.. we will get a deal.. lockdowns don’t work.. and round aqnd round and round.. it’s sending me insane.. I guess if you are paid £1000 plus for each show you can tolerate that madness.

319322 ▶▶ Thomas_E, replying to chaos, 6, #598 of 2095 🔗

My feelings exactly. Every day , rinse and repeat. Can’t listen to it anymore. I cant’ watch tv or listen to the radio..I only watch tv series or movies now.

319344 ▶▶ Pancho the Grey, replying to chaos, 7, #599 of 2095 🔗

Contrary to you, I find TalkRadio the only place where I hear alternative views and some positivity. It has been an important contribution to me retaining my sanity over the last few months.

319373 ▶▶ Jonathan Palmer, replying to chaos, 2, #600 of 2095 🔗

It’s like the whole world is stuck in an horrendous Groundhog Day loop.
I suppose TPTB don’t want to change a winning formula.

319310 chaos, replying to chaos, 5, #601 of 2095 🔗

When will Boris and Nut Nut and Wanksock be gone?

319325 ▶▶ William Gruff, replying to chaos, -2, #602 of 2095 🔗

Whenever they go they will simply be replaced by others of their ilk and those of us who can see that things could be done differently are still going to suffer the stupidity of our somnolent fellow voters. The mess we are in is a consequence of unqualified universal suffrage and nothing can be changed until we do away with the right of any and everyone to vote on matters they cannot understand.

319330 ▶▶ Recusant, replying to chaos, 6, #603 of 2095 🔗

As pathetic and ghastly and useless and feeble as Boris has been, Starmer is a full blown fascist for whom any freedom is too much. Things can always be worse.

319341 ▶▶▶ Will, replying to Recusant, 3, #604 of 2095 🔗

Starmer isn’t going to become PM unless and until there is a general election and that won’t be for years. Johnson will be subject to a vote of no confidence by Easter and will be replaced by another Tory.

319362 ▶▶▶▶ William Gruff, replying to Will, 2, #605 of 2095 🔗

Will we be allowed another general election? Has any corrupt, incompetent and panic stricken elite ever allowed the masses the opportunity to replace it peacefully? I’m not aware of an example.

319414 ▶▶▶▶▶ l835, replying to William Gruff, 1, #606 of 2095 🔗

There will be an election as all the main parties only differ in the severity of restrictions they wish to impose

319556 ▶▶▶▶▶ Alexei, replying to William Gruff, #607 of 2095 🔗

I predict we will see a National Government after the next election. It’s the only way no-one will be held accountable.

319597 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Alice, replying to Alexei, 1, #608 of 2095 🔗

We may have elections – postal vote only, obviously.

319398 ▶▶ Crystal Decanter, replying to chaos, 1, #609 of 2095 🔗

When a new mutant strain of Corona Chan arrives that actually goes straight for the fatties

319311 Ben, replying to Ben, 20, #610 of 2095 🔗

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319331 ▶▶ OKUK, replying to Ben, 14, #611 of 2095 🔗

The same pattern that has been seen all over the world. The elite do not follow their own rules and avoid being prosecuted when they break the laws on lockdowns and masking. In the USA numerous governors and health officials have been caught out breaking the rules. It is only the gullible public who follow them religiously.

319352 ▶▶ Dan Clarke, replying to Ben, 9, #612 of 2095 🔗

First time caught, that’s all

319313 karenovirus, replying to karenovirus, 11, #613 of 2095 🔗

In need if caffeine and tobacco I pulled into a chain pub that does breakfast.
The door that leads to the smoking shelter is labelled ‘exit only’, which I ignore as usual. Make a sleight pretence with sanitizer but none at all with the QR code.

At the bar I see Santa Clause sitting by the big old fashioned fireplace.
By now I’ve noticed the pub is busier than usual with quite a lot of young families.

As each child was presented to Santa I was surprised not to see sheets of plastic between them. Social Distancing was not observed with Santa actually handing each child their present.

I couldn’t actually see but I suspect Santa was not wearing a mask underneath his flowing white beard.

319334 ▶▶ Mr Dee, replying to karenovirus, 3, #614 of 2095 🔗

Thanks for that snapshot of Christmas cheer!

319335 ▶▶ Pancho the Grey, replying to karenovirus, 3, #615 of 2095 🔗

I hate to break it to you, it wasn’t really Santa.

319566 ▶▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Pancho the Grey, #616 of 2095 🔗

😥

319480 ▶▶ Ben, replying to karenovirus, 3, #617 of 2095 🔗

In 2020 Santa Clause has been replaced with Santa Klaus

319318 Tyneside Tigress, replying to Tyneside Tigress, 5, #618 of 2095 🔗

Ferguson – ‘anecdote’ and ‘hint’ that there is more transmission in children. Umh – talking complete balls!

319333 ▶▶ Pancho the Grey, replying to Tyneside Tigress, 2, #619 of 2095 🔗

Simple response, show us the science. And I don’t mean a model.

319346 ▶▶ Julian, replying to Tyneside Tigress, 2, #620 of 2095 🔗

There have been many bad actors and sins of commission and omission in this disaster, but it almost beggars belief how one man could sow so much destruction and how many people let it happen at every stage by lacking the courage to say “no” or even just “hold on”. SAGE, politicians, others here and elsewhere.

Unless you believe there was some planning, which I tend not to, though I can up to a point understand why people think there is.

319455 ▶▶ Crystal Decanter, replying to Tyneside Tigress, 1, #621 of 2095 🔗

Unfortunately “show me the science” doesn’t work as they just rewrite the science when it suits them
Hence 76 genders and trans women are now females

319327 DavidC, replying to DavidC, #623 of 2095 🔗

I’ve just read the setion ‘What follows is a guest post from our doctor friend and regular contributor who used to be a senior NHS panjandrum’.

I’ve also just checked the difinition of ‘panjandrum’ as it looked a bit odd.

‘Panjandrum definition and meaning | Collins English Dictionary
Panjandrum definition: a pompous self-important official or person of rank’.

Is that REALLY what you meant?! I doubt it!

DavidC

320552 ▶▶ Arkansas, replying to DavidC, #624 of 2095 🔗

The usual definition is someone actually important, influential or powerful — but it can also mean someone self-important. Probably the two overlap so much that it doesn’t matter!

319336 Awkward Git, replying to Awkward Git, 8, #625 of 2095 🔗

In case you haven’t seen this, the web of who owns what media.

319377 ▶▶ Ben, replying to Awkward Git, #626 of 2095 🔗

I wish there was a high definition version of this. Depressing to see the New Yorker magazine on that list

319390 ▶▶▶ Awkward Git, replying to Ben, 2, #627 of 2095 🔗
319444 ▶▶▶▶ Ben, replying to Awkward Git, #628 of 2095 🔗

Thank you

319403 ▶▶▶ l835, replying to Ben, 2, #629 of 2095 🔗

The New Yorker has been so pro Biden and lockdown I’ve cancelled my subscription.

319447 ▶▶▶▶ Ben, replying to l835, 1, #630 of 2095 🔗

That’s such a shame. Like the death of something special

319523 ▶▶▶▶ TimeIsNow, replying to l835, 1, #631 of 2095 🔗

I used to read The Economist, no longer.
At least we have Conservative Women, Spiked, Spectator and Off-Guardian. Great writing. Would anyone add to that list?

320579 ▶▶▶▶▶ SweetBabyCheeses, replying to TimeIsNow, 1, #632 of 2095 🔗

The Critic is really good too

319343 Fingerache Philip., replying to Fingerache Philip., 5, #633 of 2095 🔗

Noticed a jogger in his 30’s built like an outside toilet block in the pouring rain wearing a face nappy.
Scrooge has more competition than ever.

319389 ▶▶ Chris John, replying to Fingerache Philip., 2, #634 of 2095 🔗

You CAN stack shit that tall! Obviously got shitferbrains too if he’s wearing noseknickers outside in the rain

319501 ▶▶ TimeIsNow, replying to Fingerache Philip., 4, #635 of 2095 🔗

You have to laugh at those ones. No doubt he’s shielding his cousin’s dog walker’s Nan’s florest.
Who invented this shielding thing? People talk as if they’ve been doing it their whole lives. Up until 5 minutes ago you’d visit a friend with a cold to give them flowers and soup. Am I wrong?

319347 Tyneside Tigress, 4, #636 of 2095 🔗

Horby – ‘a possible suggestion’ of more transmission in children! This is not just bull, it is criminal bull if this is the basis for potentially closing schools in January, let alone Tier 4

319351 Sir Patrick Vaccine, replying to Sir Patrick Vaccine, 1, #637 of 2095 🔗

A Communist Christmas
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=erAYITZRdJk
AwakenWithJP

319357 ▶▶ Ben, replying to Sir Patrick Vaccine, 2, #638 of 2095 🔗

The banks, Bill Gates and Pharma are hardly communist

319366 ▶▶▶ Jonathan Palmer, replying to Ben, 6, #639 of 2095 🔗

Fascism is extremely close to communism.During the Nazi era in Germany many people felt that it was akin to Bolshevism in practice.
Who owns the means of production will tell you which state of oppression you are in.The end result for the masses is generally the same.

319369 ▶▶▶▶ calchas, replying to Jonathan Palmer, 3, #640 of 2095 🔗

Yes, exactly.

Communism and Fascism are variants of the same root.

319433 ▶▶▶▶▶ Crystal Decanter, replying to calchas, -1, #641 of 2095 🔗

They all considered fascism to be the purest form of socialism
In reality socialism had been around for a while
National Socialism was a different beast- had some very left wing and some very right wing elements
Bit sneaky that the Conservatives got saddled with that one when it was clearly a radical centrist party

319673 ▶▶▶▶▶ OKUK, replying to calchas, 1, #642 of 2095 🔗

It’s true. Mussolini was a leading socialist in Italy and edited the main socialist newspaper. Mosley was a leading Labour socialist (before embracing fascism). Many prominent left wing socialists eg Hyndman in the UK were also v anti-semitic.

319367 ▶▶▶ calchas, replying to Ben, 5, #643 of 2095 🔗

Communism suits them, because it freezes – or attempts to freeze – economy and society in its present condition. It eliminates competition and prevents rival businesses from accumulating capital, and therefore challenging those who are already on top.

It also regulates stable markets providing them with reliable sales and profits.

A managed economy,

319374 ▶▶▶▶ Ben, replying to calchas, 5, #644 of 2095 🔗

I don’t mind being wrong, but the banks and pharma taking us hostage is not communism. The billionaires getting richer is not communism. If shouting communism makes this end, then all good. But this is a fascistic financial coup (Ernst Wolff #Corona – The Collapse of the System)

319418 ▶▶▶▶▶ Jonathan Palmer, replying to Ben, 3, #645 of 2095 🔗

You are not wrong.Fascism is an ideology of the left.We only see it of the right because of Soviet propaganda.Mussolini was an ex socialist,same as Oswald Moseley and the clue in the name.National Socialism.They are very close in outcomes as they are collectivism in action.In communist societies the state owns the means of production.In a fascist state there is close of alignment of business and state but the means of production are in private hands.

320192 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Mark, replying to Jonathan Palmer, -1, #646 of 2095 🔗

As noted here before, it depends which fascism you are talking about.

Franco was basically conservative and therefore of the right. Hitler was basically radical and therefore of the left, but also used many tropes of the right to attract support. Mussolini was somewhere in between, but probably closer to the left.

I’ve never really understood why it should matter much whether the thug running a vast soul-destroying enterprise protected by the state “owns” it by monetary or by political means.

319437 ▶▶▶▶▶ calchas, replying to Ben, 4, #647 of 2095 🔗

I’d say that what they are attempting to install has elements of both Communism and Fascism.

Maybe we need a new word for it.

Technocracy and central planning are the key elements.

319500 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Crystal Decanter, replying to calchas, #648 of 2095 🔗

Coronatarianism

319580 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ PaulH, replying to calchas, #649 of 2095 🔗

Look at Technocracy News and what Patrick Wood has to say.

319611 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Binra, replying to calchas, #650 of 2095 🔗

Novelism – where only a machined intelligence (sic) writes the Script.
Seriously we are simply talking of deceit. Not deceitism. For every ism there is an anti-ism by which to persist the conceit.
Truth is free of deceit. Hence there is no truth in the world Model through which a manipulative mind plays out its script.

The technologising of insights and behaviours works at a deeper level than a scripted character can recognise – because the mind is framed or identified predicates, presumptions and beliefs that operate ‘automatically’ as a machine intelligence.

At some level we made such ‘thinking’ and operate out from it.
One could call it a masking ‘reality’ – but
WHO told you you were naked? (said the Lord).
Well that is a pointer to a mind of imaginative deceits that CAN freely align in the Creative – as the participation and Extension of a Great Music – or can freely identify in self-image, as a temporary bubble of private meanings – that set up a dissonance of fear by which to maintain the masking bubble as a sense of oppositional defence against the projection of one’s own reflection or feedback loop.

That humankind is largely a long way down multiple rabbit holes of self and Self evasion is the feedback of what THEY are doing – regardless the different meanings assigned in the formula.
Even if we allow that WE are doing, this still presumes a self exception for the one who would ‘tell it’.

Some of the best quotes come from those who see the truth that they chose not to align in – but would rather possess the insight than yield to the living Source of insight. No blame here. But there is a Pattern in operation that seems protective and yet sets us up for a Fall guy. Over and over again, like a clockwork fruit.
If insight is New Wine then the mind we took to be our own is the old wine bottles.
Until the old habit is put behind a new Choice, it runs behind an illusion of choices – all of which lead nowhere but hold the lure of ‘Getting’ for our self.

319569 ▶▶▶ PaulH, replying to Ben, 3, #651 of 2095 🔗

They are not communists.

But they do not like free enterprise either. That’s always a risk to these big operators, because they could easily lose their shirts to a better competitor.

Think about words like “corporatist” and “technocrat” and you will be nearer the mark. The aim is clearly a controlled society with a permanent ruling class, which is above any criticism.

This will set policies to “fight disease”, “fight climate change” etc, all of which will be very profitable to these elites. All this will be legitimised by pseudo-scientific justifications.

Ordinary people are just like a herd of livestock to them to be managed and controlled.

319642 ▶▶▶ Binra, replying to Ben, #652 of 2095 🔗

Nor were those who funded and enacted the Bolshevic revolution!
The Banking Corprate Cartel of its day.
The collectivisation of guilted grievance captures the movement for a true and better life to a top down, centrally directed sacrifice.
The technologism of the manipulation of the human mind – which includes it emotional feedback or result, is the dark art of conspiring to defraud another of the right so as to direct them to forsake their own for a tale
Told by an idiot, full of sound and fury,
Signifying nothing.

319356 OKUK, replying to OKUK, 14, #653 of 2095 🔗

We are all a little puzzled as to why the public are following the rules with such a high degree of compliance. I think there are two powerful
psychological factors at work which help the government in this respect.

Firstly although we supposedly live in a modern rational world, I think the vast majority of us are still very superstitious. We might not believe in ghosts and sprites, but I think statistics have taken on the role of “fate” in people’s lives. And people still very much live by the rule of “don’t tempt fate”. To doubt the statistics, as presented by the government, is to invite statistical retribution – for you or a family member to be harmed or killed by the virus. People are subconsciously very frightened of that I believe. And of course the government does everything in its power to encourage that fear.

Secondly, a lot of people quite reasonably ask themselves – as we do here – why would the government do all this unless it was strictly necessary? How could it be in the government’s interest to destroy the economy, the health service, sport and culture, family life and our education system? This is a reasonable question to ask and does not have a simple answer. So people tend to stick to the idea that the government must be doing it because it is strictly necessary.

319371 ▶▶ Dan Clarke, replying to OKUK, 2, #654 of 2095 🔗

So many feel the opposite. Brain washing is interesting, because it doesn’t happen to everyone, How do some stay suspicious and others so trusting?

319408 ▶▶▶ NorthumbrianNomad, replying to Dan Clarke, 8, #655 of 2095 🔗

I’m neither suspicious nor trusting. I still do what I did in March: wash my hands when I come in and avoid people who are coughing or talking shit. I don’t require further instruction or interference in my life. That’s it.

319422 ▶▶▶▶ Dan Clarke, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, 2, #656 of 2095 🔗

Me neither, just interested in the psychology side of it.

319454 ▶▶▶▶▶ NorthumbrianNomad, replying to Dan Clarke, 1, #657 of 2095 🔗

It is psychologically fascinating, the whole thing. Horrific to live through, but the “historians of mentalities” will be like pigs in shit for decades after on the strength of this.

319643 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ OKUK, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, #658 of 2095 🔗

But people already are finding that writing truthful histories can be career ending if they offend against PC sensibilities.

319516 ▶▶▶ TheBluePill, replying to Dan Clarke, 1, #659 of 2095 🔗

I think it is the difference between people who get told a “fact” and then ask “why” or “how”, before accepting, as opposed to those who just accept and recite. Probably a big correlation with social media use.

319579 ▶▶▶ OKUK, replying to Dan Clarke, 2, #660 of 2095 🔗

Partly upbringing I think. I was brought up in a family that frowned on virtue signalling and took some pleasure from mocking the pretensions of self-regarding fools.

319386 ▶▶ calchas, replying to OKUK, 9, #661 of 2095 🔗

Agreed.

Masks, for example, clearly have a talisman fundtion. A visible sign to ward off the evil spirits.

As for motives – so few people have an understanding of the basic financial/economic situation, and simply cannot think at the scale that is necessary in order to comprehend what is going on.

319530 ▶▶▶ TheBluePill, replying to calchas, 5, #662 of 2095 🔗

Yes. So many people just cannot comprehend what a number greater than a few hundred or smaller than a few hundredths actually means. Not surprising as there is no evolutionary advantage to that. So they take a cognitive shortcut (which does have an evolutionary advantage) and just approximate whether it is good or bad, taking accompanying propaganda hints into account.

This can be pinned on massive failure in primary maths education.

319510 ▶▶ TheBluePill, replying to OKUK, 4, #663 of 2095 🔗

I think it’s really complicated to understand what is going on. I’m begining to think it is in a big part an inability for individuals to make up their own mind on anything by themselves. They need a consensus (a herd if you will) and until they get one they are quite literally deaf to any discussion that goes against the right-think. It may be a consequence of prolonged exposure and submission to PC fascism. I’ve noticed that if I try to talk one-on-one with someone they visibly switch off and don’t listen to a word – it’s a weird defense mechanism. In some it is almost like all congnitive activity has just been paused. They don’t even know they are doing it. However, if I confidently defy the collective in a group situation (work meeting for example) they will listen and begin to think and even show support. It’s like it is permitted to think about if the herd don’t oppose what I am saying. If you get one covidiot in the group who recites the propaganda then it is all over, but if it is a group of scared sheep then progress can be made. It’s all very, very odd.

319525 ▶▶▶ Achilles, replying to TheBluePill, 1, #664 of 2095 🔗

Well in universities now they actively suppress contrarian viewpoints. So if even our most educated are afraid to engage in discussion that may challenge them what hope is there for the rest?

319554 ▶▶▶▶ Aslangeo, replying to Achilles, #665 of 2095 🔗

An important point about universities, the situation in science is similar to soviet Lysenkoism, where any questioning is suppressed. And scepticism is a dirty word

319539 ▶▶ PaulH, replying to OKUK, 1, #666 of 2095 🔗

The Johnson regime has activated people’s primitive, superstitious side by deluging them with fear and hysteria.

With this conditioning, logic and reason take a back seat; people are easily controlled.

They have done a very good job at breaking the public down mentally. I will give them that.

319567 ▶▶▶ OKUK, replying to PaulH, #667 of 2095 🔗

Yes, I agree.

319695 ▶▶ WhyNow, replying to OKUK, #668 of 2095 🔗

Hans Rosling. The fear instinct. Incredibly important for survival in primitive times, but now manipulated by the media to create hysteria.

319706 ▶▶ Ben, replying to OKUK, #669 of 2095 🔗

Disbelief that the Gov’t may mean them harm

319358 Tyneside Tigress, replying to Tyneside Tigress, 7, #670 of 2095 🔗

For God’s sake, can somebody on the committee ask the ‘scientists’ – what is the size of the sample from which they have derived their 70% enhanced transmissibility?

319391 ▶▶ NorthumbrianNomad, replying to Tyneside Tigress, 3, #671 of 2095 🔗

Not until they get an answer to their all important questions: why didn’t you do more sooner? Why don’t you do more now? Do you realise people are dying?

“Scrutiny by the media” or even by Parliament is now less searching and more fake than audience reaction to Strictly.

319399 ▶▶▶ Smelly Melly, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, #672 of 2095 🔗

They did do more sooner, they built the Nightingale Hospitals.

319625 ▶▶ Muzz Off, replying to Tyneside Tigress, 1, #673 of 2095 🔗

More importantly, what was the actual method by which this figure was calculated? It’s not like they have conducted experiments on live humans in controlled settings. Have they identified transmission chains and deduced objectively that the ‘R’ number is higher for this chain? Or just done some high-level mathematical analysis of relative rates of one strain vs another over time, derived from the dodgy testing data, in conjunction with untold numbers of dodgy assumptions. I highly suspect its the latter, in which case like most so-called ‘science’ this year is more akin to the reading of tea leaves than what we used to know as science.

319359 Paul, replying to Paul, 17, #674 of 2095 🔗

Last night I collected a takeaway from our favourite restaurant to try and give them some support during this madness.The owners daughter said they have not received a penny of help from the government since lockdown 1 in the spring and that help didn’t amount to much ,this time around they will soon have been closed for eight weeks with absolutely no hope of being open probably for months yet.
I have overheard conversations and seen posts on other websites where members of the brainwashed mass claim that there is no problem with businesses being closed to ‘save lives’ because they are all being generously helped financially by the government so they should stop moaning.
It is frightening that so many people have been hypnotised into thinking everything is rosy and it is all going to be just fine and one day things will just carry on where we left off.

319368 ▶▶ Day 276 of lockdown, replying to Paul, 16, #675 of 2095 🔗

My business has received nothing from the Government. I am owner/director so no furlough. The only thing I have been offered is the bounce back loan. The travel industry is fucked. No specific sector support and I know of 3 suicides and countless mental health issues within my network of acquaintances

319376 ▶▶▶ Dan Clarke, replying to Day 276 of lockdown, 4, #676 of 2095 🔗

Bounce back loan. Do they want you to bounce back or be in their debt?

319382 ▶▶▶▶ NorthumbrianNomad, replying to Dan Clarke, 1, #677 of 2095 🔗

They do love themselves a bit of debt.

319392 ▶▶▶ Smelly Melly, replying to Day 276 of lockdown, #678 of 2095 🔗

Sorry to hear, but I have to ask how many people do you know have died of or with the big CV?

319488 ▶▶▶ Alexei, replying to Day 276 of lockdown, 8, #679 of 2095 🔗

Same. People think because I have a software business, I’m coining it. Not if my clients have had their businesses closed, you fuckwits! All my events and travel clients have been vaporised, among many other sectors and small business in general.

Even apparently intelligent members of the genpop have no idea how the economy functions. The complex relationships, supply chains and endless specialisations that deliver their goods and services.

Instead they just peck away at their keyboards (on Facebook probably), in their own little bubble, while everything else happens by magic.

319378 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to Paul, 3, #680 of 2095 🔗

Same in Northern Ireland. Many of the schemes have seen 50% applications rejected or even some of the support has simply never come. Just promises

319438 ▶▶ Ben, replying to Paul, 8, #681 of 2095 🔗

The media is the biggest villain in all of this. But the media wouldn’t be able to achieve what it’s achieved unless most the population were not simpletons, which sadly they are

319540 ▶▶▶ Binra, replying to Ben, 1, #682 of 2095 🔗

Crap needs an operating system on which to run.

“Where do you want to go to today?”

The media is looked at listened to and given function by its readers or sucklings.

Don’t let truth get in the way of a good story.
But if its a crap story – why not invite truth in, instead of participating in it?

319503 ▶▶ kh1485, replying to Paul, #683 of 2095 🔗

Hospitality seems to be acceptable collateral damage as far as the masses are concerned. The financial ‘help’ we got didn’t touch the sides of what we lost/are about to lose and we are a tiny business so for pubs and larger restaurants, this must be absolutely devastating.

319511 ▶▶ Peter, replying to Paul, 6, #684 of 2095 🔗

The problem is that the overwhelming majority of people in this country are economically illiterate.

Go back to April when furlough started, I saw countless people telling those who were furious about not being able to work that “the Government it literally paying you to stay at home and watch Netflix, stop complaining about things”. Normally added something about NHS heroes as well, it’s a key part of any virtue signal.

People don’t understand where the Govt obtains money from, almost as if they though furlough was paid from some magic pot of money they found in Westminster.

The overwhelming stupidity of the British people is why we will never escape this hell.

319774 ▶▶ Silke David, replying to Paul, 1, #685 of 2095 🔗

People see one business closing, for example a pub.
They think, oh, shame, and all the people working there lost their job.
They forget about huge supply chain who also have a supply chain and employees.

319360 Day 276 of lockdown, replying to Day 276 of lockdown, 4, #686 of 2095 🔗

….

319432 ▶▶ calchas, replying to Day 276 of lockdown, 2, #687 of 2095 🔗

“Gates was small for his age and was bullied as a child.”

From Bill Gates’ wikipedia entry.

319557 ▶▶ OKUK, replying to Day 276 of lockdown, #688 of 2095 🔗

Hail the World King!

319361 Ben, replying to Ben, 22, #689 of 2095 🔗

I now pronounce you idiot and idiot. You may bump muzzles
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319364 ▶▶ Dan Clarke, replying to Ben, 2, #690 of 2095 🔗

How are they surviving in NZ with NO masks?

319375 ▶▶▶ NorthumbrianNomad, replying to Dan Clarke, 5, #691 of 2095 🔗

By the blessed mercy of Saint Jacinda, of course! I’m surprised you need to ask!

319379 ▶▶▶▶ Dan Clarke, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, 1, #692 of 2095 🔗

Silly me, slap

319372 ▶▶ NorthumbrianNomad, replying to Ben, 8, #693 of 2095 🔗

Carrying a posy to keep the contagious miasmas away too.

This will end. Human nature is prone to bouts of collective madness but they pass; the drive to communicate and see and breathe is much stronger than this transient compulsion to signal virtue.

319396 ▶▶▶ Waldorf, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, 1, #694 of 2095 🔗

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TG0L_r_KjYk
So many are so much like Elizabeth. In vain. She still ends up coughing…

319401 ▶▶ Jonathan Palmer, replying to Ben, 8, #695 of 2095 🔗

The wedding night should be fun.

319410 ▶▶▶ Achilles, replying to Jonathan Palmer, 10, #696 of 2095 🔗

No mask no entry.

319421 ▶▶▶▶ Thomas_E, replying to Achilles, 3, #697 of 2095 🔗

I wear a mask often, but not when I go to the shops or public transport 🙂

319405 ▶▶ Thomas_E, replying to Ben, 7, #698 of 2095 🔗

This is fucking retarded!

319790 ▶▶ muzzle, replying to Ben, 1, #699 of 2095 🔗

Twats

319381 Darryl, replying to Darryl, 12, #700 of 2095 🔗

There seems to be a UK social media and MSM blackout on this, seems a very big deal to me. Could have a major impact on they level of State tyranny we face next year.

TRUMP ADDRESSES NATION ON HOW THE ELECTION WAS STOLEN
https://www.bitchute.com/video/kQ3EYyyWtIeJ/

January is going to be a very interesting month!

319384 ▶▶ Crystal Decanter, replying to Darryl, #701 of 2095 🔗

Unless the Don is going to instigate a military coup he can blather and bluster as long as he likes

319424 ▶▶▶ Darryl, replying to Crystal Decanter, 5, #702 of 2095 🔗

The CIA and FBI have obviously decided they want to move to a new technocratic global governance system. Looks like the Globalists have successfully destroyed old America and its values.

When people talk about Military Martial Law as being an option you know you are in banana republic / failed state territory.

319400 ▶▶ Ben, replying to Darryl, 1, #703 of 2095 🔗

Agreed. It means the media runs the world.

We witness Biden as America’s first Media Elect

319428 ▶▶▶ Jonathan Palmer, replying to Ben, 2, #704 of 2095 🔗

No it means who owns the media runs the world.95% of America’s media is owned by just 6 corporations.

319434 ▶▶▶▶ Ben, replying to Jonathan Palmer, 1, #705 of 2095 🔗

Yes. Exactly.. A handful of billionaires

319439 ▶▶▶▶▶ Darryl, replying to Ben, #706 of 2095 🔗

I wonder if the billionaires answer to a higher force still? If you are told you or your family might have a deadly accident it helps to focus minds.

319436 ▶▶▶ Darryl, replying to Ben, 8, #707 of 2095 🔗

Whether people like Trump or not it is staggering that this can be completely censored by the controlled media. 1984 style stuff, I bet the majority of the UK public are completely unaware of this very significant speech happening.

319453 ▶▶▶ Old Bill, replying to Ben, 2, #708 of 2095 🔗

Dear old Joe has just been given his first corona shot. That is obviously how they are going to finish him ready for Kamala’s presidency.

319477 ▶▶▶▶ Ben, replying to Old Bill, 2, #709 of 2095 🔗

Has he though? Or has he received the version reserved for politicians, celebrities, journalists etc?

319483 ▶▶▶▶▶ Darryl, replying to Ben, 1, #710 of 2095 🔗

There are so many ways they can trick the masses using Hollywood fakery. Can’t believe people fall for the celebrity and politicians getting the vaccine scam.

319515 ▶▶▶▶▶ Waldorf, replying to Ben, #711 of 2095 🔗

The saline solution.

319485 ▶▶▶▶ Crystal Decanter, replying to Old Bill, 3, #712 of 2095 🔗

The Dems are gearing up to remove Biden pronto
Why do you think all the Hunter stories are now getting traction
President Kamaltoe within 6 months

319448 ▶▶ OKUK, replying to Darryl, 2, #713 of 2095 🔗

It’s scandalous how Sopel, Kay, Bryant, and Zurcher have not reporting on this subject (election fraud and the response to it) since the election.W pay them huge amounts (nearly a quarter of a milllion in Sopel’s case) to report accurately, not to censor in the interests of the Democratic Party.

319608 ▶▶▶ dommo, replying to OKUK, 3, #714 of 2095 🔗

that trump speech is one of the most important things that has happened in living memory – and not a word on the bbc!

319598 ▶▶ dommo, replying to Darryl, 2, #715 of 2095 🔗

jesus h christ! that is dynamite – and it explains all the virus bollocks too

question is what happens now???

319715 ▶▶▶ TheBluePill, replying to dommo, 2, #716 of 2095 🔗

This looks like it is going to be very interesting. Trump probably has the support of the military so it is a very dangerous game. Possibilities seem to include:
– Trump remains as president either by invoking something constitutionally or with the threat of military backing.
– Trump backs down, but that basically means the end of meaningful democracy.
– Civil war
– Succession of some states from the union
– Assassination

319754 ▶▶▶▶ Darryl, replying to TheBluePill, #717 of 2095 🔗

5 dreadful choices – sums up the mess the world is in. A controlled demolition of America and the Western world as we know it – for a virus with a close to 100% survival rate for most age groups!

319767 ▶▶▶▶ Crystal Decanter, replying to TheBluePill, #718 of 2095 🔗

Trump probably has enough of the military (not all) and enough of the police (not all)
Unless he starts throwing his political opponents out of helicopters I can’t see how it will work IRL

319383 HobbyGobbyGold, replying to HobbyGobbyGold, 8, #719 of 2095 🔗

I have asked my MP:- “Why the government is investing such a huge amount of money in unproven vaccinations, developed at unprecedented speed and with acknowledged risks, when there are already proven prophylactic and early treatments available ?” A response is awaited.

I just cannot believe that nobody is raising this issue. Here are two relevant links:-

On the Treatment of Covid-19 – Swiss Policy Research (swprs.org)
Ivermectin is effective for COVID-19: meta analysis of 24 studies (ivmmeta.com)

These sites provide numerous references to international, peer-reviewed studies demonstrating very high success rates for the treatments, which are relatively cheap to implement. They evidence huge reductions in severity and fatality rates.

Why is SAGE / the government not, at the very least, recommending people to take the easily available, non-prescription dietary supplements Zinc, and vitamins C and D, to boost immunity ? I am not aware that the health service is making use of Ivermectin, Quercetin and Bromhexine for prophylactic / early treatment – do any medical professionals here know ?

As far as I am concerned, based on my research, the government and health authorities have not done everything possible to fight this pandemic. How can the strategy of ‘lockdown restrictions’ be justified, with the associated detrimental effects on overall mental and physical health, and human rights, with the impossible aim of ‘defeating the virus’, when simple, and apparently highly effective treatments have been ignored ?

Is it not time to retire the ‘Mathematical Modellers’ and Psychologists from the SAGE group, and replace them with experienced medical scientists ? Then the government might be able to follow the relevant science, rather than the relentlessly negative group-think which delivers such destructive advice.

319395 ▶▶ Ben, replying to HobbyGobbyGold, 4, #720 of 2095 🔗

Pharma companies lobby ministers and MPs, some of whom hold shares in vaccine manufacturers (Sir Patrick Vaccine-Shares)

319385 AnotherSceptic, replying to AnotherSceptic, 16, #721 of 2095 🔗

https://uk.news.yahoo.com/lorry-drivers-scuffle-police-amid-081800865.html

I really don’t blame the lorry driver’s. I actually hope that they do start riots. The government are, as we all know, lying slimy bastards.

319446 ▶▶ Darryl, replying to AnotherSceptic, 2, #722 of 2095 🔗

The ‘police scuffle’ usually means police attack. If the media happen to be present it suggest the police instigated trouble for the cameras to increase the sense of panic and fear in the country.

319780 ▶▶ Silke David, replying to AnotherSceptic, #723 of 2095 🔗

Of course they get angry.
Stuck miles away from facilities. Having to take a dump on the road verge.
I hope some charitable organisation has dished out some food and drink?

319388 John Galt, replying to John Galt, 45, #724 of 2095 🔗

One thing this whole situation illustrates very well is how our institutions have become completely and utterly corrupted over time.

Politics is corrupt. Science is corrupt. The media is corrupt. The justice system is corrupt. The police force is corrupt.

If a single one of these institutions were legitimate, we wouldn’t be in this situation.

319411 ▶▶ DeepBlueYonder, replying to John Galt, 15, #725 of 2095 🔗

I agree completely, John Galt. It has laid bare the shortcomings of many UK institutions (the NHS, the BBC, universities, the civil service, the broadcast media, the professioriate, science and the medical profession). These shortcomings have been, above all, ethical. But the situation has also laid bare their intellectual and logistical weaknesses. Hence many institutions now face an enormous crisis of legitimacy.

319429 ▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to John Galt, 7, #726 of 2095 🔗

Corrupt thanks to the “revolving door”, so incompetent managers resurface in a new department they can wreck. Nothing works as it should with such people in charge. The Augean Stable needs a clearout.

319430 ▶▶ Julian, replying to John Galt, 4, #727 of 2095 🔗

Sadly true

I wonder if they were ever not corrupt, and we have simply been the victims of a perfect storm of circumstances

Have there been other examples where institutions have shown courage in the face of wrongdoing, on a large scale?

319445 ▶▶ Stephanos, replying to John Galt, 9, #728 of 2095 🔗

You can add the Church (all denominations) to that list

319675 ▶▶▶ annie, replying to Stephanos, 1, #729 of 2095 🔗

Oh God, you most certainly can.

319478 ▶▶ Crystal Decanter, replying to John Galt, 6, #730 of 2095 🔗

Collapse is the only way out of this mess unfortunately
The warning sign was the NHS stuffed full of Tonies cronies
Nobody needs that many managers – not even the Tories could remove them

319562 ▶▶ Sceptic in Oxford, replying to John Galt, 4, #731 of 2095 🔗

My theory is that this is the culmination of what happens when you have a whole generation of centre left politics/politicians and the rot in the UK was cemented very firmly by Blair. He made not secret of putting leftwing and New Labour placemen in all of our institutions which have, over time, become increasingly woke and at the same time a generation of kids grew up under his tenure that were educated into snowflakes for whom any disagreement sends them crying. Therefore anything that “offends” them is shut down by the institutions.

The effect of this is a mollycodelled society and also of now young adults who can’t accept a different point of view, including that people in life also die, policitians who daren’t say exactly that and/or are so woke themselves (e.g. the unConservative party), a BBC that is full of the woke who can’t/won’t challenge and on and on.

It’s the infantilization of politics and anyone who challenges it is demonized (Brexit-voters, Trump’s Deplorables etc.) and shut out/down.

I’m prettey sure this applies across Europe too but I’m not knowledgeable enough other than to know/notice that any criticism of Merkel opening up Germany to refugees was slated (including the rise of the Alternativ fur Deutschland party) and ditto Matteo Salvini in Italy, Marine Le Pen in France. These countries seem to lag in their wokeness but I have no doubt it will come to them too. What they have got, though, is the same left-leaning politicians/globalists runnint their countries.

319737 ▶▶▶ DeepBlueYonder, replying to Sceptic in Oxford, 1, #732 of 2095 🔗

Yes, the idea that truth is the pre-eminent virtue has been supplanted by the belief that social justice (in a very specific sense of the term) is the pre-eminent virtue. Once truth doesn’t matter, that is a very big problem.

319402 sumy, replying to sumy, 1, #733 of 2095 🔗

I would never normally take antacids, as our stomach needs to be very acidic to digest food, but some good doctors are saying that several elderly people very ill with covid have quickly recovered using Pepcid. They recommend 80mg Famotidine twice a day, for 5 days.

https://gut.bmj.com/content/69/9/1592

319457 ▶▶ chaos, replying to sumy, 1, #734 of 2095 🔗
319466 ▶▶ Victoria, replying to sumy, #735 of 2095 🔗

Absolutely right.

The majority of people on antacids should rather improve their stomach acid to improve digestion – wobbly teeth in older people are due to a lack of nutrients as the body is unable to absorb calcium and other nutrients

If not sufficient stomach acid then the food putrifies in the body leading to symptoms that ‘looks like’ too much acid and result in many health issues.

2 teaspoons of apple cider vinegar (with the mother) in half a glass of water before/with meals improve digestion and eliminate the ‘over acid’ symptoms

319469 ▶▶▶ calchas, replying to Victoria, 4, #736 of 2095 🔗

Yes – apple cider vinegar.

Red wine works for me too.

319601 ▶▶▶▶ Ben, replying to calchas, #737 of 2095 🔗

Apple cider works brilliantly

The ‘mother’ is not required IMO, since it’s the acetic acid that does the job

319409 Ben, replying to Ben, 1, #739 of 2095 🔗
319770 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to Ben, -1, #740 of 2095 🔗

He managed to get the anti vaax slur in

319412 Ned of the Hills, replying to Ned of the Hills, 3, #741 of 2095 🔗

“Take back control!”

– how ironic that slogan sounds today when our lives are more controlled than they’ve ever been.

319497 ▶▶ TINY, replying to Ned of the Hills, #742 of 2095 🔗

I’ve been thinking that too recently.

320641 ▶▶▶ Ned of the Hills, replying to TINY, #743 of 2095 🔗

Great Minds and all that. (My mother was known as “Tiny” – but perhaps you’re a chap and six feet tall!?)

319423 Crystal Decanter, replying to Crystal Decanter, 8, #744 of 2095 🔗

Tony Blair has the eyes of a man haunted by a million dead.
If you fancy a chuckle search for “ charles lynton bow street ” on Duckduckgo

allegedly of course

319431 ▶▶ Ben, replying to Crystal Decanter, 4, #745 of 2095 🔗

I don’t think Tony Blair has any conscience

319565 ▶▶▶ IanE, replying to Ben, #746 of 2095 🔗

Quite, I wonder if he keeps a man in the attic who has to take it all for Bliar. Must be a complete gibbering wreck by now!

319440 ▶▶ Jonathan Palmer, replying to Crystal Decanter, 4, #747 of 2095 🔗

I think the suppressed news that he was a communist is far more important .Nearly all the top new labour figures were ‘EX’ communists.The first thing they did on entering office was to destroy all the security service files on themselves.

319577 ▶▶▶ NorthumbrianNomad, replying to Jonathan Palmer, #748 of 2095 🔗

If we all had to stick with what we believed at 20, we’d look a right bunch of pricks.

320360 ▶▶▶ Binra, replying to Jonathan Palmer, #749 of 2095 🔗

Then there are all the communists who were tories….
These labels are palmed off on a mindless public to substitute for critical thought.

The devil made Blair and offer he could not refuse?
Is that not the nature of all coercion and deceit?

319450 ▶▶ NorthumbrianNomad, replying to Crystal Decanter, 3, #750 of 2095 🔗

I think he’s just like Clinton and Gates – non-events who think they have the god given right to pronounce on everything that pops up in their head but that they know nowt about. All they know about is how to make money out of their exorbitant noneventitude.

319461 ▶▶ Darryl, replying to Crystal Decanter, 6, #751 of 2095 🔗

When you are chosen for a role, certain incidents conveniently seem to be forgotten.

I am staggered that so many seem to trust Blair still, especially on the left, he is loved at the BBC. He is far from the image the propagandists have created. As you say partly responsibly for hundreds of thousands possibly millions of innocent civilian deaths.

320353 ▶▶▶ Binra, replying to Darryl, #752 of 2095 🔗

The Media give him a mouthpiece. (as they are but extensions of an intent to deceive). People who suckle the poison are unable to question much of what is fed because it frames their mind in fantasy and futility.

319526 ▶▶ PaulH, replying to Crystal Decanter, 1, #753 of 2095 🔗

He and Starmer both have hard left extremist backgrounds.

Don’t be fooled by the smart suits (well in the case of Starmer a very silly looking bright blue one).

319435 NickR, replying to NickR, 3, #754 of 2095 🔗

When you consider that the NHS has been AWOL for many people & that the number of ‘excess’ deaths at home is through the roof it’s a little surprising just how unshocking the actual all cause mortality is compared to other years.

319487 ▶▶ mhcp, replying to NickR, 1, #755 of 2095 🔗

It’s either resilience in the system or the delay before the deluge.

319594 ▶▶ Ben, replying to NickR, 1, #756 of 2095 🔗

The graphs are being used to justify trashing our human rights. Obfuscation.

319441 HoMojo, 4, #757 of 2095 🔗

“On Tuesday, Britain recorded 691 Covid deaths – the second highest daily toll since last May….” Really? Just, really?

319443 GiftWrappedKittyCat, replying to GiftWrappedKittyCat, 2, #758 of 2095 🔗

Just had this shite through my door. There are no words. 😡

319459 ▶▶ Paul, replying to GiftWrappedKittyCat, 3, #759 of 2095 🔗

I’ve had similar shit offered in emails from a company that sells HGV supplies,it included some bloody device for decontaminating lorry cabs and the interior of buses,it was only £800 too.

319527 ▶▶ Mr Dee, replying to GiftWrappedKittyCat, 2, #760 of 2095 🔗

Collect a bin bag of soiled, discarded masks and send back to whoever produces this crap.

This reminds me – a former nurse from Wellingborough got a tip off back in DECEMBER 2019 that a deadly virus was spreading from China, and subsequently made a mint from selling PPE.

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/former-nurse-struck-it-big-with-1-8bn-contract-in-ppe-gold-rush-wnvlm866l

So how come the government didn’t prepare the NHS? They must have known too!

319449 crimsonpirate, replying to crimsonpirate, 4, #761 of 2095 🔗

I just listened to a weird comment on BBC local radio accusing the Govt of sitting on this Mutant virus back in October and doing nothing. Like that lockdown in November never happened!

319591 ▶▶ Ben, replying to crimsonpirate, 3, #762 of 2095 🔗

This mutant was known about in September. The Government saved the Ace card for later use

320175 ▶▶▶ crimsonpirate, replying to Ben, 1, #763 of 2095 🔗

now it’s South Africa. Wouldn’t be surprised next time they’ll say it comes from Mars

319452 PatrickF, replying to PatrickF, 12, #764 of 2095 🔗

Seen in Tunbridge Wells. The double mask. The reusable, worn over the disposable. I assume mask one gets rid of Covid and mask two gets rid of the Mutant Ninja virus.

319470 ▶▶ Ben, replying to PatrickF, 4, #765 of 2095 🔗

Get rid of humans through slow suffocation

319522 ▶▶ Just about sane, replying to PatrickF, 4, #766 of 2095 🔗

My husband told me about the guy in a shopping centre wearing two, he had the cloth on first and the blue paper one on top and this was before the scary mutant virus was announced.

319463 Awkward Git, replying to Awkward Git, 3, #767 of 2095 🔗

Apparently the planetary conjunction the other night means we are now in the Age of Aquarius, hopefully good news then:

Jupiter Conjunct Saturn December 21st, 2020 – The Age Of Aquarius The next “Age of Aquarius” moment is December 21st, 2020 , when Jupiter and Saturn meet for the first time in millennials, at 0° Aquarius .
What are the chances to have the 2 slowest moving visible planets of our solar system meeting exactly in the 1st degree of Aquarius?
The Jupiter-Saturn conjunction on December 21st, 2020 may well be that final ‘ cosmic push ’ that will mark the official beginning of the Age of Aquarius .
Change is around the corner and will come sooner than we expect. Humanity’s next chapter is currently being written, right in front of our eyes.

Age of Aquarius (2000-4000) As long as the ego is separate from the soul, we won’t have freedom and progress (Aquarius’ higher manifestation), but instead will have division and will continue to attempt to use machines (weapons, robots, or the internet) to justify one side of the story – either “the ego” or “the soul”.
However, sooner or later, at the end of this ‘cosmic battle’, when we’ll reconcile the YING and the YANG, and we will eventually find a “ new Renaissance ” – or the triumph of Aquarius’ highest values: humanitarianism, knowledge, reason, innovation, and people who work towards a greater goal.
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As we are shifting from the Age of Pisces into the Age of Aquarius, we will learn that each individual is important – not as an amorphous mass easy to maneuver (Age of Pisces).
Every single one of us is born for a reason, and we all can bring our own contribution to the development of society. Every single one of us can make the world a better place .
Aquarius is the opposite sign from Leo. Leo is what makes us unique. Leo is the creator, the leader. Aquarius takes Leo’s unique qualities to the “next level” putting them into a higher context.
“Me” is put into the use of “We” – so that we can create something much greater than the sum of individual efforts. But of course, to get to “We”, we need to acknowledge each person’s unique qualities.
In Greek mythology, Aquarius is Prometheus, the Titan God that stole fire from the Gods and gave it to humans. The fire is, of course, a symbol for the light of knowledge, but also, quite literally, Aquarius is a symbol for electricity and other types of renewable energy.
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During this new Age, we can expect new types of energies to be discovered. Other likely developments are artificial intelligence, space travel, and connections with other forms of life.
Aquarius is the most global sign of the zodiac – it rules networks and communities based on a mutual vision. In the next 2000 years, there’s no more place for top-down, hierarchical cultures or extreme political doctrines.
Aquarius is a democratic, egalitarian sign; the types of top-down systems that have dominated our society in the last millennia will simply cease to work.
The Age of Aquarius will come with a completely different “operating system” – something we haven’t seen yet… at least in the last 26.000 years.
We have, of course, started to witness the influence of the Age of Aquarius already since the late 18th century, with the discovery of Uranus (Aquarius’ modern ruler) which also coincided with the discovery of electricity .
These Aquarian influences have since then intensified, especially in the last 50 years.

319465 ▶▶ Paul, replying to Awkward Git, 2, #768 of 2095 🔗

Finally,I’ve been waiting since the early 1970s.

319493 ▶▶▶ HoMojo, replying to Paul, 1, #769 of 2095 🔗

Yeah and it’s going to take maybe 50 years or so to start to manifest

319489 ▶▶ jb12, replying to Awkward Git, 1, #770 of 2095 🔗

Well seeing as the Jupiter-Saturn conjunction was at 0 Aquarius in the Tropical zodiac (seasonally based, and out of alignment with the constellations) and the ‘Age of Aquarius’ (a Theosophical society invention, which should tell you all you need to know) is the apparent precession of the Spring Equinox into the constellation of Aquarius, I wouldn’t hold my breath.

319852 ▶▶▶ Seansaighdeoir, replying to jb12, #771 of 2095 🔗

Good point. The UN manifesto draws heavily on the works of Bailey and Blavatsky.

319537 ▶▶ OKUK, replying to Awkward Git, #772 of 2095 🔗

Sounds a bit like a Karl Schwab speech. A human can no more separate their ego from their soul than they can separate their living body from their soul. We’re somewhere between a bonobo and a chimp. It’s silly to expect us to behave like demigods. The only way this vision will be achieved is through transhumanism, the robotisation of human beings, under the direction of a tiny elite.

319548 ▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to Awkward Git, #773 of 2095 🔗

Or maybe it means Tier 5

319842 ▶▶ Seansaighdeoir, replying to Awkward Git, #774 of 2095 🔗

Sounds exactly like the manifesto of the UN which is a New Age manifesto with its roots in the works of Bailey and Blavatsky.

That is a direct contradiction to biblical truth. As its very likely that the people coordinating the current shit show are also movers and shakers in the UN and its subsidiaries I think we can already begin to see the fruits of this ‘new age’.

The ‘we’ not ‘me’ also sounds a familiar tenet with its roots in communism or as its currently being re-badged communitarianism. The green agenda is just one of the current drivers towards this new normal.

320341 ▶▶▶ Binra, replying to Seansaighdeoir, #775 of 2095 🔗

The ego of self-image set in mask, is a construct set against nakedness to truth
Or more simply you are never what you think.
The idea of an awakening will become weaponised and marketised – by the ego of possession and control.
But awakening is the undoing of the mask to the revealing of the devices that run beneath its appearances.
And so the craziness and ghastly parody of life is coming up to be released.
Therefore it is not the beginning of a process of overcoming or eradicating ‘ego’ but the timing for the harvest of all that is true to a conscious alignment in truth rather than a broken or divided will or love made captive to hate.
If it be your will.

The golden rule gives or serves as it would in truth receive. This is not sacrificial or coercive. To recognise our self in others is not sacrificial or coercive.
But to seek to make a system of enforcement for masking in images and behaviours of ‘virtue’ is sacrificial and coercive.

Jesus said – they know not what they do.
We call it cognitive dissonance.
The thinking possesses the minds of the thinker to run a bot-net of automata.
Perhaps indeed the Script is already written and our freedom is to witness to truth … or self-illusion.

319467 Ben, replying to Ben, 20, #776 of 2095 🔗

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We are going to lock you down, take away your human rights and destroy the economy until we can stop the wind and control the rain
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319519 ▶▶ Fingerache Philip., replying to Ben, 3, #777 of 2095 🔗

Delusional and arrogant, feel free to add more adjectives.

319543 ▶▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to Fingerache Philip., 2, #778 of 2095 🔗

That’s the government I assume, not Ben?

319550 ▶▶▶▶ Fingerache Philip., replying to Nick Rose, 2, #779 of 2095 🔗

OF COURSE.

319619 ▶▶▶ Jo Dominic, replying to Fingerache Philip., 1, #780 of 2095 🔗

Deranged and sociopathic

319473 Dan Clarke, replying to Dan Clarke, 6, #781 of 2095 🔗

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/article-9080597/Cloth-masks-NOT-stop-spread-COVID-19-without-social-distancing.html Masks, more masks, vaccinations, why do this when they want depopulation, they are evil.

319538 ▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to Dan Clarke, 2, #782 of 2095 🔗

But you don’t wear a mask to protect yourself, but others.

319479 Voz 0db, replying to Voz 0db, 5, #783 of 2095 🔗

40,000 Retailers On Brink Even Before Latest Lockdown

FUCK the cattle… The HERD OF MODERN MORON SLAVES, deserves to be treated like this!

At this point reality is very SIMPLE: It’s either KILL or be culled.
Until several Jedburgh’s actions aren’t executed nothing will change except the things the SRF & Billionaires via jesters want to CHANGE!

319499 ▶▶ Victoria, replying to Voz 0db, 7, #784 of 2095 🔗

Why do the big names in retail not make their voices heard?

319544 ▶▶▶ Voz 0db, replying to Victoria, 1, #785 of 2095 🔗

Who are the owners of the “big names”?

320297 ▶▶▶▶ Binra, replying to Voz 0db, 1, #786 of 2095 🔗

or who pulls the strings in terms of credit status.
There must be insider knowledge or fear that inhibits or censors or buys off critical opposition.
The nature of regulatory penalty and incitement to hate from a media driven mob can be inhibiting.

319481 Hadrian24, 5, #787 of 2095 🔗

Proof that political dissent against the government is not tolerated in Britain.

I was in London on Saturday. As I walked up Regent Street there was a large demonstration against the Indian’s government policies (as I understood it, their policies would harm farmers). There were no police in attendance.

Less than two hours later I returned down Regent Street and now there was the demonstration against the U.K. government’s Covid policies. This time there was a massive police presence and the police were seizing individual protesters as they walked, throwing them to the ground and violently hand-cuffing them. The brutality of the police was shocking.

This clearly shows that political dissent against the government is no longer tolerated in Britain: a protect giants the Indian government is permitted but one against the British government – in exactly the same place and the same day – is violently suppressed.

319482 PaulH, replying to PaulH, 22, #788 of 2095 🔗

“Health officials have blamed the pre-Tier 4 exodus for the spread…”

Blaming and threatening the public seems to be standard operating procedure for the British state these days.

Isn’t it nice to know these civil “servants” are working so hard on our behalf.

319495 ▶▶ Tyneside Tigress, replying to PaulH, 9, #789 of 2095 🔗

It’s surely too early for that – the increase in ‘cases’ pre-dates the movement of people ahead of Christmas.

319878 ▶▶▶ A. Contrarian, replying to Tyneside Tigress, #790 of 2095 🔗

Quite – it was only 4 days ago!

319496 ▶▶ thinkaboutit, replying to PaulH, 6, #791 of 2095 🔗

While they themselves are working from home in their country mansions or with their mums and dads.

319703 ▶▶▶ Carrie, replying to thinkaboutit, #792 of 2095 🔗

With cleaners and nannies still being allowed to visit..

319586 ▶▶ Ben, replying to PaulH, 3, #793 of 2095 🔗

They’re not health officials – they’re fascists

319615 ▶▶ Jo Dominic, replying to PaulH, 1, #794 of 2095 🔗

I would sure like to see the evidence for that as this is not a highly contagious virus neither is its variant.

319668 ▶▶ annie, replying to PaulH, 1, #795 of 2095 🔗

And what caused the exodus?
FFS.

319880 ▶▶ A. Contrarian, replying to PaulH, #796 of 2095 🔗

More people probably left the area than would have done had the govt left us all alone for Xmas as promised.

319491 Silke David, replying to Silke David, 9, #797 of 2095 🔗

Interesting that my German regional news station has switched off it’s comment section since the beginning of the week.
It was more critical the last few days.

319508 ▶▶ chaos, replying to Silke David, 1, #798 of 2095 🔗

Interesting how much of google went down the other week globally.. gmail etc. Everything except the google search function. At some poiint we may be isolated in the digital and analog realms.

319533 ▶▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to chaos, #799 of 2095 🔗

Use Tor. As used by governments worldwide.

320044 ▶▶▶▶ Binra, replying to Nick Rose, #800 of 2095 🔗

Can you remind me which Tor nodes were set up by the CIA?
I cant say whether anything is actually private or secure, or whether such solutions are honey traps, but Tolkien was serious in the prophetic depiction of a Technos that could not be defeated but could be relinquished.

Where is the balance point for where tools serve Man – or Humanity – and where the Man becomes a tool of his own makings?
It isn’t anti tech, but embracing what it is to be human.
Fear and hatred of inner conflict seeks magical ‘solutions’ that become the displacement map for those same fears and hates – but set in the frame of the ‘solution’. So presumed medical solutions for underlying fears and conflicts – frame us in an insane and self destructive attempt to fit Life into the Final Solution…

319581 ▶▶ George L, replying to Silke David, 2, #801 of 2095 🔗

Yes.. can’t have the natives getting critical!

319494 George L, replying to George L, 10, #802 of 2095 🔗

Well, they are certainly going for it now aren’t they. Its sh1t or bust I think.

The tiny man Macron across the channel is certainly making the most of it too. Bill #3714 .. Threatening the unvaccinated with refusal on public transport, people to be taken off the streets and quarantined if suspected of being a carrier. It would also permit the seizing of a person’s goods , as well as forced vaccination .

https://www.europereloaded.com/health-dictatorship-french-citizens-who-refuse-covid-19-vaccine-may-be-banned-from-public-transport-under-green-passport-plan/

319507 ▶▶ Silke David, replying to George L, 4, #803 of 2095 🔗

I wonder how they are going to enforce that.
Same with the proposed measures in Austria. But I believe Austria , so far, only want it during January, but of course it is a push to get people to agree to be vaccinated.

319575 ▶▶▶ George L, replying to Silke David, 4, #804 of 2095 🔗

I don’t know David.. I think at the moment they are signalling intentions so as to scare the French into vaccine compliance. 61% of French people have said they’re not taking it, so I should imagine, knowing the thug Macron, that things will get increasingly threatening and nasty..

319662 ▶▶▶▶ annie, replying to George L, #805 of 2095 🔗

Stockpile your paving srones now.Man the barricades. Do you hear the people sing?

319524 ▶▶ Darryl, replying to George L, 7, #806 of 2095 🔗

Just imagine the level of tyranny they would impose for a virus which didn’t have an average death age of 80 plus years and that most people don’t realise they even have. All about creating a population of completely compliant slave.

Is Macron on a ventilator fighting for his life following his positive test or is he yet another person who is perfectly healthy?

319529 ▶▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to Darryl, 5, #807 of 2095 🔗

Alas, he seems healthy

319536 ▶▶▶▶ IanE, replying to Nick Rose, 1, #808 of 2095 🔗

Possibly not : after all, mens sana in corpore sano!

319555 ▶▶▶▶ Mark, replying to Nick Rose, 1, #809 of 2095 🔗

The Devil looks after his own.

319570 ▶▶▶ George L, replying to Darryl, 2, #810 of 2095 🔗

Good point Darryl.. tyranny on steroids! As for Macron, he’s as healthy as he was before corona. Just more kabuki theatre.

On a personal note, my house/home is in France and I’m now seriously concerned if I am going to be able to get back in the new year. Especially with the news that Brittany Ferries is looking increasingly shaky..

319700 ▶▶▶▶ Carrie, replying to George L, #811 of 2095 🔗

How long is France banning entry for? Sweden won’t let in non-citizens till 21st January…

319698 ▶▶▶ Carrie, replying to Darryl, 1, #812 of 2095 🔗

He’ll have access to HCQ and all the other treatments that they want to deny to the plebs..

319918 ▶▶▶▶ Darryl, replying to Carrie, #813 of 2095 🔗

Elites have HCQ and other medicines, the masses have to have experimental vaccines and ventilators.

319542 ▶▶ IanE, replying to George L, #814 of 2095 🔗

Hmm, they have (despite Bill Gates) failed with forced sterilisation to reduce the human population, but maybe the vaccine will achieve this by other means!

319552 ▶▶ Mr Dee, replying to George L, 3, #815 of 2095 🔗

I suggest a workaround for Health Passports on public transport – hitchhiking, car sharing, car pools, and the like. If the government chooses to discriminate against its citizens, we simply take matters into our own hands.

319559 ▶▶▶ Mr Dee, replying to Mr Dee, 3, #816 of 2095 🔗

And speakeasies, underground cinemas, illegal raves etc – these will bloom, run for and by those without health passports. The government cannot stop us having a social life. Look what happened in Prohibition in 20s America. Exactly, a hundred years alter, the same thing will rise again.

319678 ▶▶▶▶ Sam Vimes, replying to Mr Dee, 1, #817 of 2095 🔗

Interesting that speakeasies now will not be about booze – that’s freely available – but about conversation and human interaction; those are the things that are being withheld. You’ll have a pint, sure, but you will go there to ‘speak easy’.

319819 ▶▶▶▶ Stephanos, replying to Mr Dee, 1, #818 of 2095 🔗

Don’t forget underground churches, which have already started.

319502 Silke David, 5, #819 of 2095 🔗

I was impromptu on Bittel TV on YT, Dlive yesterday, giving a brief review of the situation in Britain.
Thanks to this site I have the information.
It was an impromptu zoom call.
Much fun. https://youtu.be/FckKyJzdIX8 starts at 42 minutes

319509 Mr Dee, 5, #820 of 2095 🔗
319513 George Mc, replying to George Mc, 10, #821 of 2095 🔗

Off-Guardian warned at the very beginning of this doomsday show, that we were being subjected to such an oceanic surge of media terror that it was impossible to even hope for any rational discussion i.e. that we were facing war propaganda. It has hardly let up and is now accelerating.

From the actual Guardian:

“Exclusive England’s hospitals set to treat more Covid patients on Christmas Day than ever before”

(Unintentionally funny ambiguity there. Is that more Christmas Day Covid patients than ever before?)

“Guardian analysis will add to concerns about ability of NHS to cope with surge in cases over winter”

(Magical premonition there!)

“More of England could move into tier 4 from Boxing Day”

Hmm.. no chance of leaving us along for one fucking day at Christmas then!

And just on cue:

“Live Coronavirus: new variant already in ‘great majority if not all’ European countries , says expert”

“Live” coronavirus? Is it going on tour then?

And just to keep up the celeb front:

“The French president, Emmanuel Macron, is showing signs of improvement after testing positive for Covid-19 last week, his office said. Macron, 43, is in quarantine …”

Then there’s the headline which really ought to be a huge giveaway:

“Vaccine Delay facing poor countries ‘will leave Europe vulnerable for years’”

For years! They somehow know this now!

And since I have to arbitrarily cut off this interminable cov-coverage:

“Mexico Covid fatalities soar as president condemned for inaction”

Inaction is not an option! You must act now! Vax vax vax!

319545 ▶▶ George L, replying to George Mc, 5, #822 of 2095 🔗

Yeah, its an onslaught alright. Globally Lock-stepped..

319602 ▶▶ Jo Dominic, replying to George Mc, 1, #823 of 2095 🔗

I’ve got family in Mexico. That’s not the case at all.

319603 ▶▶ Just Ice, replying to George Mc, 5, #824 of 2095 🔗

My 22 year old daughter has received an email telling her that she should be prepared to come for a covid vaccine in the near future- what happened to the ‘no one under 50’ pronouncement? She says most people her age online are up for getting it and kind of laugh about the conspiracy theories- I feel so concerned because it is apparently about to target young adults who have been accused of being ‘the super spreaders’ but if there are really side-effects relating to infertility this is the group that would be the most susceptible.. is this population control?

319651 ▶▶▶ Janette, replying to Just Ice, 1, #825 of 2095 🔗

Yes I think it is

319694 ▶▶▶ Carrie, replying to Just Ice, 1, #826 of 2095 🔗

There is plenty of evidence of Gates being linked to sterilising vaccines before and you only have to watch his videos to see how he thinks regarding population control – it’s scary. ANH’s video regarding the vaccines is very balanced and ask good questions, so I am recommending people watch this and then make up their own mind.

I remember seeing a video ages ago, purporting to have info from a Pfizer whistleblower saying that the vaccine sterilising effect would show up first after 7 years when there would be a massive drop in fertility, with the time delay making it difficult to prove the link.. The Pfizer documents regarding the vaccine seem to suggest that there IS a risk; they are just being careful in how they are phrasing the issue.

319612 ▶▶ John P, replying to George Mc, 2, #827 of 2095 🔗

“Vaccine Delay facing poor countries ‘will leave Europe vulnerable for years’”
For years! They somehow know this now!

George, this is journalistic spiel, not insider knowledge.

319989 ▶▶▶ George Mc, replying to John P, #828 of 2095 🔗

Yes but isn’t it odd how all this (purely random?) journalistic spiel is all in one direction? It isn’t a question of “what they know” but of the mindset they are trying to create.

319517 Two-Six, replying to Two-Six, 35, #829 of 2095 🔗

My cousin has just come round to drop of Christmas pressies, luckily I saw her coming and unfortunately she was wearing a huge yellow FN. These people are hard-core covidians, her hubby wears a full rubber gas mask when he goes to see his mum.

I just cannot talk to them. I am in such a state, I am shaking. We are hiding upstairs trying not to make any noise and pretending not to be in and I have put the door bell under the pillows in our bed upstairs so if she rings the bell she won’t hear it ring.

This is fucking poison.

319528 ▶▶ IanE, replying to Two-Six, 14, #830 of 2095 🔗

Yes – for me there will be NO forgiveness of sheeple’s failure to use their brains: that is what SHOULD make us humans special. The sheeple should be turned into mutton!

319535 ▶▶ Thomas_E, replying to Two-Six, 46, #831 of 2095 🔗

Look, I alienated pretty much all our family and friends because I’m a monster and said : no mask while inside my house, or gloves etc

  • you will shake my hand and let my 6 year old daughter hug you, any reservations don’t come, you are not welcome
  • I will not take the vaccine not now, not in 6 months , not ever ( disclosure : I’m not anti vaccine and my daughter has been vaccinated so i have in the past while I was traveling around the world)

That was enough for my wife entire family to tell me that they cannot risk their health and my own parents telling me that they will not visit either and that I can’t see my niece..

So , you draw the line and see where people stand. No more compromise, no more pandering to group think, No surrender!

319583 ▶▶▶ Ben, replying to Thomas_E, 13, #832 of 2095 🔗

They have chosen their own death (staying safe) but are too stupid to understand. There’s a gulf between being physically alive and living one’s life. It’s maddeningly hypocritical to think that some of these frightened sheep took a greater risk travelling in a car

319634 ▶▶▶▶ Mark, replying to Ben, 10, #833 of 2095 🔗

“A coward dies a thousand times before his death, but the valiant taste of death but once”

319606 ▶▶▶ Sam Vimes, replying to Thomas_E, 7, #834 of 2095 🔗

You are an ex soldier, Thomas, and worldly wise, so I think you will understand this philosophy: Fuck ’em.

319711 ▶▶▶ Old Bill, replying to Thomas_E, 1, #835 of 2095 🔗

That is both courageous and tragic, but do you think it matters to Boris?

319782 ▶▶▶▶ Thomas_E, replying to Old Bill, 4, #836 of 2095 🔗

I really don’t care. I have no ability to affect anybody’s live but my own and I for one will not surrender myself or my family to this madness. My home is my castle and nobody in the government or anywhere else has any mandate to tell me how to behave , who to have over for dinner or If I want to celebrate a holiday. My wife sometimes think it’s my PTSD kicking in but I can assure you I have not been this clear and focused since I was in combat.

319795 ▶▶▶ Silke David, replying to Thomas_E, 1, #837 of 2095 🔗

So sorry to read your families are not prepared to put aside their beliefs for at least your daughter.

319870 ▶▶▶ Tom in Scotland, replying to Thomas_E, 1, #838 of 2095 🔗

I agree entirely. We need to set out our red lines and if others don’t like them, tough. This is particularly true in your own fucking home. The reason we’re in this shitshow is because not enough people (including those in some governments) would stand up to the hysteria. I’ve had it and don’t care what other people think. I won’t play along with the charade.

319541 ▶▶ Mark, replying to Two-Six, 8, #839 of 2095 🔗

I hesitate to advise people on family matters – it’s none of my business and outsiders never know the ins and outs of any family situation. But I do wonder, based on your description, if it wouldn’t be better just to have it out openly with them once and for all? Perhaps not face to face but remotely, if you prefer that.

Perhaps set out your position calmly and clearly – you regard the current panic as so destructive that you would prefer not to associate with supporters of mask wearing and lockdown until the panic is over.

319564 ▶▶ Janette, replying to Two-Six, 6, #840 of 2095 🔗

Be strong and remember the Government are wanting to destroy our spirits. We must and will rise above them.

319574 ▶▶ Ben, replying to Two-Six, 6, #841 of 2095 🔗

You could express yourself and calmly state that you find her Covid garb distressing since you don’t subscribe to the prevailing narrative. I would

If she becomes upset, then she will likely be less upset than yourself

319684 ▶▶ Mabel Cow, replying to Two-Six, 7, #842 of 2095 🔗

Don’t forget to tell the husband that he has effectively been seeing his mum without any kind of mask at all because standard gas masks have no filtration on the out-breath and so his mum has been breathing full-fat plague straight from his lungs.

319532 Cheezilla, replying to Cheezilla, 3, #843 of 2095 🔗

Did we know about this explosion at the SCI Pharmtech factory?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YkcaeaD45MY

Apparently they manufacture HCQ.

319561 ▶▶ Ben, replying to Cheezilla, 8, #844 of 2095 🔗

Bill Gates seen running away from the scene

319672 ▶▶▶ Carrie, replying to Ben, 1, #845 of 2095 🔗

The arsonist was likely paid by BG or someone he funds..

Off-topic but how easy (or not) is it to manufacture HCQ? Maybe we should start…

319632 ▶▶ Andrew K, replying to Cheezilla, #846 of 2095 🔗
319916 ▶▶▶ Ben, replying to Andrew K, #847 of 2095 🔗

Yeah. Like Pharma factories explode every day

319571 TheBluePill, replying to TheBluePill, 20, #848 of 2095 🔗

Just looked outside, can see the neighbours are home – their windows are all fully opened. They are a couple in their 30s and it is currently 3°C, raining and pretty windy. Maybe they would be more comfortable in a nice cave somewhere to reflect their apparent evolutionary status.

319585 ▶▶ George L, replying to TheBluePill, 9, #849 of 2095 🔗

Reverse the car up, stick a tube on the exhaust and the other end through the window. Give the engine a good rev. I’ve always found it clears all household germs very effectively.. ;-0

319623 ▶▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to George L, 2, #850 of 2095 🔗

Haha superb

319626 ▶▶▶ TheBluePill, replying to George L, #851 of 2095 🔗

If Whitty said that in a press conference, we probably wouldn’t need the vaccine, and we most definitely wouldn’t have lettuce panic buying in the shops.

319610 ▶▶ Banjones, replying to TheBluePill, 9, #852 of 2095 🔗

Amazing, isn’t it? They’ve swallowed the line about ”ventilation” yet they swan around outside in the good fresh air with their muzzles on, breathing their own CO2 and recycled nasties.

319650 ▶▶▶ annie, replying to Banjones, 1, #853 of 2095 🔗

Gawd, yes, the mind can still boggle!

319584 Jo Dominic, replying to Jo Dominic, 21, #854 of 2095 🔗

Here we go again Scientists drooling with pleasure at Lockdown 3 after Boxing Day. Johnson and his cabal must be thoroughly enjoying tanking everyone’s Christmas and New Year and the further destruction of the economy, jobs, the stock exchange and Sterling. The’re revelling in it.

319590 ▶▶ Banjones, replying to Jo Dominic, 3, #855 of 2095 🔗

Anyone tried lurking outside an MP’s home to see if there’s much coming and going?

319628 ▶▶ awildgoose, replying to Jo Dominic, 1, #856 of 2095 🔗

Of course they are.

This is what the Gaia cultists want.

319587 Smelly Melly, replying to Smelly Melly, 4, #857 of 2095 🔗

Does anybody know where I can get a cheapish helmet, like the ones knights wore or divers helmet etc. Something even more stupid than a FN that I could wear to “comply” with face covering “regulations”. I have my lepers bell (exemption badge) but I think it’s time to raise the stupidity stakes.

319592 ▶▶ anon, replying to Smelly Melly, 1, #858 of 2095 🔗

goggles and snorkel (attached)

319605 ▶▶ Banjones, replying to Smelly Melly, 5, #859 of 2095 🔗

A plague doctor’s mask is quite attractive. Or punch a hole in one of those blue nappy things to allow your nose freedom of movement.

It’s the using of these muzzles as fashion accessories that is really obscene. It shows how the dimwits are embracing the idea completely.

319617 ▶▶▶ Jonathan Palmer, replying to Banjones, 4, #860 of 2095 🔗

At the start Someone in Norfolk was walking the streets wearing one.He was given a talking to by the police for spreading alarm.
The irony.

319640 ▶▶ GorbalsGirl, replying to Smelly Melly, 1, #861 of 2095 🔗

A burqah or a niqab? Maybe you can get a blue one decked out with a ring of yellow EU stars to make sure everyone gets the point.

319644 ▶▶ cloud6, replying to Smelly Melly, 2, #862 of 2095 🔗

You want one of these, they look very cool and scary, they will really worry all those with Coviditus out in the mean streets of the UK.

319697 ▶▶▶ Sam Vimes, replying to cloud6, 4, #863 of 2095 🔗

Klaatu Barrada Nikto…

319652 ▶▶ Maverick, replying to Smelly Melly, 20, #864 of 2095 🔗

Try this. Spotted in my local Lidl.

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319681 ▶▶▶ Victoria, replying to Maverick, 3, #865 of 2095 🔗

Love it

320064 ▶▶▶ David Grimbleby, replying to Maverick, #866 of 2095 🔗

This has got everything, Dadaist performance, humour ,imagination, sceptical protest yet still fulfils its ‘purpose’

319661 ▶▶ Rupertvn, replying to Smelly Melly, #867 of 2095 🔗

celticwebmerchant.com lots of helmets plague masks etc. Not cheap but worth a look.

319738 ▶▶ Mark, replying to Smelly Melly, 2, #868 of 2095 🔗

This one would count as “face covering” I think.

There’s a big selection at that site ( The Knight Shop ) and my experience is they do excellent delivery.

319588 NorthumbrianNomad, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, 4, #869 of 2095 🔗

Ok, you guys who go on about the World Economic Forum. I still think they’re clueless rather than evil, but this is just… I have no words.

if you sneeze and have a full set of teeth, you may be a superspreader…

https://twitter.com/abiroberts/status/1341552892277362692

319604 ▶▶ godowneasy, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, 7, #870 of 2095 🔗

Brilliant analysis from the WEF (er, what business is it of theirs anyway) – last time I noticed the very large majority of people do have teeth. What do they propose – mass dentistry?

319609 ▶▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to godowneasy, 1, #871 of 2095 🔗

I wouldn’t rule it out

319723 ▶▶▶ Basics, replying to godowneasy, #872 of 2095 🔗

Arms are very hazardous when you put your mind to it.

319998 ▶▶▶ Binra, replying to godowneasy, #873 of 2095 🔗

Anything to engage emotional reaction with any part of the narrative feeds the narrative.
Don’t feed the troll is lost to the delight taken in judging trolls.
But leave the baited hook untaken doesn’t have to posit something to rail against and therefore invite in.

319614 ▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, 5, #874 of 2095 🔗

Why don’t they just come out and say that simply being alive is hazardous to one’s health?

This is really scrapping the bottom of the barrel.

319621 ▶▶▶ awildgoose, replying to Bart Simpson, 8, #875 of 2095 🔗

If they’re so terrified of being alive why can’t they just off themselves and leave the rest of us in peace?

319992 ▶▶▶▶ Binra, replying to awildgoose, -1, #876 of 2095 🔗

I know your comment is more wit but fear and hate of life is underneath much of what passes off as real.

Some under such a conviction can project and divert the hate away from a masking sense of control that displaces toxic consequence onto others.
“Now see what you made me do!”

Others become magnets or targets for the hate of others on top of their own – and often end their lives to escape pain.
“Now see what you have made of me!”

Hate and blame are synonyms.
If we release it we are released.
But all that we seek to lay on everyone else has some part of our own mind – that will never leave you – for it contains a denied facet of our wholeness.

The mortal condition is life set in fear of pain of loss even to death.
Recoil against fear sets up the attempt to get rid of it.
This leads to the Great Unconsciousness – which works contra to life as a sense of limitation and overriding will.. Also known as the Adversary or indeed the ‘ego’. Its hate aspect works a cynical scorn that takes delight in undermining, breaking and destroying. You can notice this ‘voice’ in your own mind as that of self-hating.

Peace is part of wholeness of being, but the unconsciousness of life made normal, sets a narrative illusion of peace that is really a restless pattern of shifting evasions, that become more and more unwieldy until something breaks in to violate a peace could only seem to be, as the result of exclusion that we had become wilfully unaware of.
It was the excluded fairy that set the spell of Sleep.
But the mistaken attempt to reverse this is the forced inclusion – as if you must love what you hate and so make the form of love an act of coercion and denial.

Love is the capacity to be with what is and recognise truth here.
The recognition restores the peace.

319618 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, 1, #877 of 2095 🔗

Yeah, it could aeresolise the droplets. You know, like masks? See Kevin Mckernans twitter for that explanation

319659 ▶▶ Ben, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, 3, #878 of 2095 🔗

Billionaires who meet up in Davos regularly to decide how to exploit the world better are more likely evil than clueless

319677 ▶▶ dpj, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, 1, #879 of 2095 🔗

Why they have destroyed dental treatment in this country now makes much more sense after seeing that. It would clearly be much safer if everyone’s teeth fell out.

319593 AnotherSceptic, 2, #880 of 2095 🔗

Yahoo still keeping up the scaremongering narrative & it’s conveniently about the “new strain”
Plus…it also contains z list “celebrities”
Who have magically caught it just in time for Xmas…

https://uk.yahoo.com/news/will-young-covid-christmas-101944675.html

319596 tarfu, replying to tarfu, 23, #881 of 2095 🔗

Sorry, I haven’t read all 668 comments (as I write) so this may have been pointed out earlier, but I see that eminent virologist, biologist, epidemiologist and immunologist Tony Bliar is has been given air time on the BBC to tell the world of his his ‘plan’ for innoculating the world. This cadaverous has-been should be put back in his coffin.

319616 ▶▶ Suzyv, replying to tarfu, 1, #882 of 2095 🔗

Couldn’t have put it better.

319624 ▶▶ George L, replying to tarfu, 2, #883 of 2095 🔗

It may well be a good thing. Bliar is well known as being just that.. a LIAR!

319777 ▶▶▶ Salopian, replying to George L, #884 of 2095 🔗

Certainly is as his intervention on Brexit showed

319653 ▶▶ Ben, replying to tarfu, 2, #885 of 2095 🔗

I think he’s invested in the tech project ‘ID 2020’, which is digital ID of the human being. The vaccines are a crucial component.

Would be ironic if George Galloway was forced to subscribe to the ID 2020 technology in the future

319655 ▶▶ Crystal Decanter, replying to tarfu, 3, #886 of 2095 🔗

Every time he shows his face I just picture he has briefly surfaced for air from one of his cottaging expeditions

319599 Voz 0db, 5, #887 of 2095 🔗

TAG & CULL…

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319613 mouser, replying to mouser, 2, #888 of 2095 🔗

Not sure if this has been posted already, but Neil Mccoy Ward has posted a new video, very informative with many parallels to today and our likely future. This is the 1st video of 3 and deals with housing, food, unemployment and dance marathons.

Does this 90 year old diary predict the next depression?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wdhEnzZ6EuM

some interesting comments too.

319690 ▶▶ calchas, replying to mouser, 2, #889 of 2095 🔗

The world entered the Great Depression on a Gold Standard.

This time, there is no limit on the ability of the Central Banks to print.

The Debt-Berg is also much bigger now than it was then.
All of this means that we are headed for hyperinflation this time, rather than the grinding deflation of the 1930s.

It will still feel like a depression though for most people,

The greater the role we acord to market forces though, and the smaller the role we accord to central planning, the quicker we shall recover.

319622 John Galt, replying to John Galt, 5, #890 of 2095 🔗

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95.79% of the deaths listed had pre-existing medical conditions. This is even above the 94% the USA announced.

Source – https://www.england.nhs.uk/statistics/statistical-work-areas/covid-19-daily-deaths/
Spreadsheet – “COVID 19 total announced deaths 17 December 2020 – weekly file”

319656 ▶▶ Carrie, replying to John Galt, 4, #891 of 2095 🔗

Accurate to 16th Dec too – so the new mutant has not caused a huge rise in deaths since September..

319657 ▶▶ Sceptic in Oxford, replying to John Galt, 16, #892 of 2095 🔗

A few weeks ago, I texted a family member that our reaction to this virus is staggering given that all but 1700 people without pre-existing conditions had died.

Next thing I knew, she’d taken to her twitter mob and all the usual FBPE suspects were calling me a Nazi who was promoting eugenics, was uncaring, callous etc. and basically advocating killing people.

Their ignorance is as staggering as their lack of curiosity/understanding as to what “pre-existing conditions” really means i.e. serious underlying and often terminal conditions. One woman said I was advocating her death because she has arthritis. What I’d actually intended was to show them reality for most healthy people i.e. go out and live your life because the risk to most people is miniscule.

The battle we have is massive becuase these types simply cannot and/or will not look at facts because their “feelings” get in the way and my belief as to why is per my response to your earlier post about the infiltration of UK institutions.

319660 ▶▶▶ Sceptic in Oxford, replying to Sceptic in Oxford, 3, #893 of 2095 🔗

Typo in the above: I meant that all but 1700 people who died had severe pre-exising conditions.

319682 ▶▶▶ John Galt, replying to Sceptic in Oxford, 6, #894 of 2095 🔗

Yeah, logic does not work with these people. I advocated a couple of months ago that instead we should aim at the emotional aspect of things. I put together a list of some relevant links:

https://pastebin.com/4h905TPU

Whether this would work with the people you described? Probably not, haha, but it’s another angle at least.

I’m absolutely fascinated by the psychology behind all of this. Why do we see through it but others just cannot? The facts are the same for us all. It’s not like anything is being held back or hidden. I really need to find a book explaining how and why people differ regarding their susceptibility to propaganda.

319699 ▶▶▶▶ Sceptic in Oxford, replying to John Galt, 5, #895 of 2095 🔗

I’ve been trying to understand it too and I’ve decided that a huge part of it is about your personaliy and whether you:

look at facts (or go with feelings)
are in business or in the public sector (sometimes down to feelings also)
are a risk taker
are outgoing or insular
your political persuasion (again, often about being in the public sector)
your exposure to earning your keep/staying afloat/the commercial world i.e. your business acument or, wether, per the public sector, the money just keeps coming.

To my mind, this has morphed into a (broadly) public vs private sector argument because the vast majority of public sector workers are cossetted and have no idea about really and properly earning a living or the real world i.e. if the customer isn’t happy, they go elsewhere and if it happens enough, you go bust.

That doesn’t happen for them AT ALL.

BUT they are simultaneously able to say that they’re more caring because they can cite the short-term/immediate facts of current deaths wherease longer term facts like those for cancer etc. are projections and, hey, they that’s another fight for them another day.

I know there are some in the public sector on here and I’m not saying it’s all of them by any means. As I say, I think it’s a mix of all that goes to making one’s personality.

319748 ▶▶▶▶▶ Tking, replying to Sceptic in Oxford, 5, #896 of 2095 🔗

Sceptic since April, left out of all forms of government support, have had to open and close my business throughout the lockdowns.

I have a logical brain, and look at facts and evidence, not hearsay. I also have empathy for my fellow human. I dont believe everything I am told by anyone, I always fact check, I have a very good bull**** radar. I can spot a liar a mile off, when others fall for their lies.

I think many people are just gullible and easily manipulated, cant think for themselves, and lack empathy, it will only hit them when they are affected financially/personally, we on here are a different breed from them.

319813 ▶▶▶▶ AngloWelshDragon, replying to John Galt, 1, #897 of 2095 🔗

For the same reasons some people are susceptible to religious belief and others are not.

320623 ▶▶▶▶ Borisbullshit, replying to John Galt, 1, #898 of 2095 🔗

I suspect in goes back to childhood. I never really liked being at school after junior school and disliked my contemporaries. I never went away with the school either it was bad enough going in the day! I always felt outside the herd and was always repelled by groupthink and conventional wisdom.

319683 ▶▶▶ Mark, replying to Sceptic in Oxford, 3, #899 of 2095 🔗

Without disagreeing with any of the points raised in your other comment about contribution of the political shift in society, there was a good discussion early on on this site of some of the problems in reasoning with these people:

The Hyper-Rationality of Crowds: COVID-19 and the Cult of Anxiety

319728 ▶▶▶ Simon Cook, replying to Sceptic in Oxford, 4, #900 of 2095 🔗

Good afternoon Sceptic in Oxford,

Im sorry to hear about this.

Sadly it reinforces the impression that my wife has of a number of her work colleagues.

Completely emotionally driven people without any ability to use rationality or logic. They seem terrified but actually would probably struggle to sum up if asked, just why they are so fearful.

She said that, in her opinion these particular people have other issues pre-dating all of this, such as lack of confidence, anxiety, body image etc… in other words this situation has given them an outlet for their problems which is actively encouraged.

Obviously the above is only anecdotal, but seems fairly plausible.

Best regards

Simon

319784 ▶▶▶▶ Sceptic in Oxford, replying to Simon Cook, 2, #901 of 2095 🔗

I certainly know of another family member who has been tipped over the edge with this. She’s mid-40s and in good health but now rarely leaves the house. My amateur psychologist’s assessment is that she’s always wanted a career but has been a mum and housewife for 13 years now and although she loves her kids and husband, is unfulfilled, maybe feels a failure (I don’t know) and this has tipped her over.

319807 ▶▶▶ AngloWelshDragon, replying to Sceptic in Oxford, 3, #902 of 2095 🔗

I had the same issue with my in laws when I pointed out that people under the age of 70 and in reasonable health were at no risk and therefore should be allowed to go about their lives as normal with focused protection of the vulnerable they accused me of not caring if older people died!

319751 ▶▶ Lisa (formerly) from Toronto, replying to John Galt, 4, #903 of 2095 🔗

Isn’t being over 80 a pre-existing condition in itself? I don’t mean to be glib, but I don’t know anyone over 80 who doesn’t have some health issue or isn’t on some kind of medication. Just the less robust immune system of an elderly person is a pre-existing condition of sorts, or can at least explain why a virus could cause death where it wouldn’t in a much younger person.

319768 ▶▶▶ John Galt, replying to Lisa (formerly) from Toronto, 1, #904 of 2095 🔗

Yes, definitely. Like you say, the immune system gets worse with age, which was an accepted part of life until this year!

Aging is accompanied by remodeling of the immune system. With time, this leads to a decline in immune efficacy, resulting in increased vulnerability to infectious diseases, diminished responses to vaccination, and a susceptibility to age-related inflammatory diseases.

https://www.frontiersin.org/articles/10.3389/fimmu.2019.02247/full

319796 ▶▶ Chris Hume, replying to John Galt, 1, #905 of 2095 🔗

Great stats. We should all share these as widely as possible. The shocking truth is though, that even that 4% number is overstated. The reason being that the sheer numbers of people being tested will mean that many of them who may have died in a motorbike accident or falling off a tall building or similar, If they happen to have had a positive Covid test three weeks ago, they will be registered as a Covid death. In the 0-19 age group I did read that the only deaths without a serious pre-existing condition were infants dying at or shortly after birth who had tested positive for Covid. This was never the cause of death though. This is why at the end of the day, no matter what the spin, it will be very hard for them to show any material excess mortality over the entire period of the ‘pandemic’ due to Covid. Covid just does not kill people who are likely to live much longer in enough numbers to do that. Over a short period, if you seed it into Care Homes like our Government, and many others did, yes .you will see a big spike, but once that is stopped. mortality rates quickly revert to normal levels.

319833 ▶▶▶ Sceptic in Oxford, replying to Chris Hume, 3, #906 of 2095 🔗

Apologies if you’ve seen the below which is a pick and mix I collated 29 Nov, the idea being even the “feeling” types might start to see this will impact on them too – it’s just a matter of time.

Here’s what lockdown has achieved:

·      25 million GP appointments lost ( source: Care Quality Commission )
·      3 million people backlog for cancer screening (source: Cancer Research UK)
·      350,000 patients with suspected cancer haven’t been referred ( source: Cancer Research UK )
·      986,000 women not screened for breast cancer ( source: Breast Cancer Now )
·      Referrals for urological cancers (incl prostate cancer) halved – an estimated 27,000 fewer sent for testing ( source: Prostate Cancer UK )
·      1 million bowel cancer screening invitations not sent in first 3 months of lockdown, equating to estimated 1,350 cases of undiagnosed bowel cancer ( source: Bowel Cancer UK .)
·      139,545 patients waiting > 1 year for treatment ( source: NHS England )
·      March- May >50,000 children in England had surgery from all surgical specialties postponed ( source: Royal College of Paediatrics and Child Health )
·      MD and cataracts have gone untreated leaving patients at risk of sight loss
·      Waiting lists in general for the NHS are at an all-time high

Sooner or later, everyone , will be impacted by these backlogs, whether its them, their husband, wife, mother, father, sister, brother, boyfriend, girlfriend, uncle, aunt, child or grandchild who needs treatment and joins the back of these queues.

Then there’s societal/other health problems:

·      1 in 9 mental health patients ha ve been waiting 6 months for help ( source: Royal College of Psychiatrists )
·      Number of people drinking at ‘high risk levels’ doubled since February – now 8.5 million ( source: Royal College of Psychiatrists )
·      Just over 1 in 10 of over 70,000 surveyed had suicidal thoughts or thoughts of self-harm during the first week of lockdown ( source: Samaritans )
·      7% increase in domestic abuse-related recorded crime during March to June vs the same period in 2019 and 18% increase vs 2018 (source: ONS)
·      72% of pub & hospitality businesses expect to become unviable and close in 2021 (source: British Beer & Pub Association, British Institute of Innkeeping and UK Hospitality )
·      Redundancies to a record high of 314,000 in the three months to September 2020 ( source: ONS )
·      Since March 2020, the number of payroll employees has fallen by 782,000 ( source: ONS )
·      Borrowing hit £22.3bn in October 2020, the highest October figure since monthly records began ( source: ONS )
·      UK national debt at record high >£2 trillion for first time ever ( source: ONS )
·      Record number of shop closures: 6000 chain shop outlets closed in first half of 2020 compared with 3500 in same period 2019 ( source: Local Data Company and PwC UK )
·      Number of graduate jobs dropped 12% in 2020 with employers anticipating further decline in 2021 ( source: Institute of Student Employers (ISE ).
·      Employers reduce internships and placements 29% and 25% respectively in 2020, the largest drop since 2010 (source: ISE )
·      Charity sector faces £10bn funding shortfall and 60,000 job losses (source: FT)
·      £160m loss of income this year for Cancer Research UK (source: Cancer Research UK)

319844 ▶▶▶▶ PatrickF, replying to Sceptic in Oxford, 2, #907 of 2095 🔗

But if it saves one life……..
How can anyone support this madness?

319627 SionnachAirgid, replying to SionnachAirgid, 7, #908 of 2095 🔗

Just back from a last minute trip into Truro. Still in Tier ! so everything is open (excluding the businesses which have already expired due to lockdowns), but it was more like a wet Sunday in January than the day before Christmas Eve. In HMV there were three other customers (last Christmas it was a 10 minute queue for the tills), and in Waterstones the customers were outnumbered by the staff. Also noted quite a lot of ‘Sale’ posters in shop windows – if we do go full lockdown again I don’t expect all of the smaller local businesses will survive. On street mask compliance at about 10-15%, but only one other maskless in a shop. All in all not a very seasonal experience, who knows when I shall venture into town again..

319633 ▶▶ Crystal Decanter, replying to SionnachAirgid, 3, #909 of 2095 🔗

Was hoping Kernow would be a bulwark to this nonsense
Sad

319671 ▶▶▶ SionnachAirgid, replying to Crystal Decanter, 2, #910 of 2095 🔗

I think it’s precisely because we’re still Tier 1 – there has to be extra compliance to make sure we don’t slip – be interesting to see what happens when we (inevitably) get downgraded

319705 ▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to Crystal Decanter, 1, #911 of 2095 🔗

10-15% in public is less than many places.

319929 ▶▶▶ wat tyler, replying to Crystal Decanter, 3, #912 of 2095 🔗

Have just been out in Penzance shops and was quite surprised to see so many people in shops without muzzles ,Iceland had about 6 ,pound streacher 3 and a couple in the coop also noticing more people in the street wearing lanyards as they go from shop to shop . So before you write cornwall off here’s a bit more news ,the other week people came together in Penzance and decorated the christmas tree as the council had refused ,they also gave out presents to kids ,mince pies and sang songs .No one complained and people were pleased also on the 21st solstice people still took it upon themselves to go out for Montel ( a solstice celebration we have here ) and even though it was driving rain and not many about some people dressed up and went pub to pub playing music. I wasn’t out for long that night but saw about 50 people playing music and the obby oss on my way to the shop and no police .

319975 ▶▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to wat tyler, #913 of 2095 🔗

Trying to arrest the obby oss would be a PR disaster, and probably spiritually self-harming to boot.

319996 ▶▶▶ George L, replying to Crystal Decanter, 2, #914 of 2095 🔗

Ah.. Trel awney’s Army has long since departed I’m afraid..

A good sword and a trusty hand!
  A merry heart and true!
King James's men shall understand
  What Cornish lads can do!

And have they fixed the where and when?
  And shall Trelawny die?
Here's twenty thousand Cornish men
  Will know the reason why!

Out spake their Captain brave and bold:
  A merry wight was he:
'If London Tower were Michael's hold,
  We'd set Trelawny free!

'We'll cross the Tamar, land to land:
  The Severn is no stay:
With "one and all," and hand in hand;
  And who shall bid us nay?

'And when we come to London Wall,
  A pleasant sight to view,
Come forth!  come forth! ye cowards all:
  Here's men as good as you.

'Trelawny he's in keep and hold;
  Trelawny he may die:
But here's twenty thousand Cornish bold
  Will know the reason why!'

NOTE by R.S. Hawker:

320545 ▶▶▶▶ Ned of the Hills, replying to George L, #915 of 2095 🔗

I recall singing that song with gusto as a lad at school – out the YHA songbook!

319658 ▶▶ George L, replying to SionnachAirgid, 6, #916 of 2095 🔗

I’m in Falmouth at the moment, and can agree with your post. For an area that’s meant to be in Teir! (LOL) I’m still seeing a lot of idiots driving around in cars with masks on..

319932 ▶▶ Zoothornrollo, replying to SionnachAirgid, 1, #917 of 2095 🔗

I live in Truro and can sympathise with this. Its mighty depressing to see the city in such a state. The only time i’m out is for food and find myself the only unmasked person there. I really can’t face going into town…its like a parallel universe. Thank god we can get out in the air on the coast where we are. So called tier 1 eh! Hunker down..be with people you love and stay away from the mutants.(Its bad for your health!) Thankyou to everyone on here for giving me an island to visit just to remind myself i’m not alone in feeling like i do.

319631 Banjones, 1, #918 of 2095 🔗
319638 Cecil B, replying to Cecil B, 19, #919 of 2095 🔗

I have consulted Nostril Darmus and here are a few of her predictions for the coming year

Kia Starmer becomes head of the Conservative Party and the new Prime Minister

Emmanuel Macron and Piers Morgan marry at a secret location in the Congo. The bride wore a pink chiffon dress

After enquiries by The Special Investigation Branch of the British Road Hauliers Association it is discovered that Boris Johnson was kidnapped in late 1987. It is believed he was fed to pigs the following year. His body double replacement is found to be a Turkish Intelligence Agency operative

Joe Biden and Kamala Harris produce a child. The child is born in Beijing

Nicola Sturgeon and the President of Tanzania agree a job share

A new strain of flu is discovered.

Face masks will be worn 24hrs a day and now stitched to the victims face. All food will be administered per rectum

After a brief coup Queen Nut Nut the First of Sweden is enthroned. The best man was Greta. The population were granted an extra ration of mung beans in celebration

DNA tests prove that Professor Ferguson is Adolf Hitlers bastard grandson. His German handler is discovered in deep cover posing as a wife

A lizard is discovered using a computer

The currency of the UK will become the pebble

From a point just East of Dover to a point just to the West of Plymouth the English Channel will be filled in with concrete to a height of two metres above sea level

Matt Hancock is discovered and captured in the sewers under East Cheam

319646 ▶▶ Cecil B, replying to Cecil B, 2, #920 of 2095 🔗

Don’t, none of YOU predicted 2020

319718 ▶▶▶ Chris John, replying to Cecil B, #921 of 2095 🔗

That’s because no one would have believed us!

319888 ▶▶▶ Waldorf, replying to Cecil B, #922 of 2095 🔗

No, though some dystopian films and TV shows probably had an inkling and Albert Camus had some definite insights in La Peste.

319670 ▶▶ George L, replying to Cecil B, 3, #923 of 2095 🔗

“The currency of the UK will become the pebble”.. if that’s the case I’ll be across to the neighbours drive after dark with a mini-digger!

319687 ▶▶ godowneasy, replying to Cecil B, 4, #924 of 2095 🔗

You have a fertile mind and a great sense of humour. As you know, this will become illegal in 2021. You will be invited for mandatory re-framing in line with national priorities.

319756 ▶▶▶ Ovis, replying to godowneasy, #925 of 2095 🔗

Mandatory reframing, which will be presented as an ‘entitlement.’

319792 ▶▶ Waldorf, replying to Cecil B, #926 of 2095 🔗

But I thought Macron was already married to that older woman. Edna Krabappel or someone like that.

319647 ▶▶ Carrie, replying to Andrew K, 5, #928 of 2095 🔗

Highly suspicious – 2nd largest supplier of HCQ in the world..

319693 ▶▶▶ Ben, replying to Carrie, 3, #929 of 2095 🔗

Too much of a coincidence. Imagine a vaccine factory exploding like this. It would raise alarm bells

319654 James Leary #KBF, replying to James Leary #KBF, 3, #930 of 2095 🔗

I suppose it would be too much to hope this could be the start of a full-scale rebellion? Like when the tanker drivers blockade very nearly brought down Blair and his cronies? That came out of left-field, too, following complaisant tin-eared policy making.

https://amp.theguardian.com/politics/2000/sep/16/uk.labour

DM:
‘Lorry drivers WILL be able to travel to France from tomorrow morning’

https://mol.im/a/9080041

319663 ▶▶ Carrie, replying to James Leary #KBF, 3, #931 of 2095 🔗

But does that mean BJ has caved on fishing and the EU’s other demands?

319664 Old Bill, replying to Old Bill, 37, #932 of 2095 🔗

Letter to The Supreme Leader of the Democratic People’s Republic of Korea Mr. Kim Jong-un.

Dear Mr. Kim,

I am writing to you in desperation to ask if you can help our country. The people of Britain are being kept under constant house arrest, forbidden to see families and friends, allowed out only to collect food which is now in very short supply and subject to rationing. Our national media has been gagged and now broadcasts nothing but government propaganda 24 hours a day. Our health service has been ‘cancelled’, our judiciary has been coerced to only support government policy, our right to demonstrate peacefully has been suspended and any attempts to do this are brutally curtailed by armed, masked thugs, masquerading as policemen, all cultural activities and any form of worship have been outlawed, our MP’s are supine and acquiescent to anything our government wishes, our very right to breathe freely is under threat.

Could you please use your good offices to bring these abuses of human rights to the notice of the United Nations, I feel you are the only hope we have left.

Thanking you in anticipation,

Old Bill

319707 ▶▶ Mark, replying to Old Bill, 4, #933 of 2095 🔗

Excellent! That’s what Private Eye would be publishing if it were still meaningfully satirical.

319729 ▶▶▶ Edward, replying to Mark, 3, #934 of 2095 🔗

Quite so. I have one more issue of Private Eye to come in my current subscription, but I’m not going to renew.

319758 ▶▶▶▶ Smelly Melly, replying to Edward, #935 of 2095 🔗

I cancelled my subscription to PE about 5 years ago. It use to be balanced and satirical to left and right, but it became bias to the left.

319806 ▶▶ Waldorf, replying to Old Bill, 2, #936 of 2095 🔗

“Dear Mr Bill,
A container of kimchi will be sent to your doorstep.

Comradely greetings
Kim Jong Un”

320033 ▶▶ Ben, replying to Old Bill, #937 of 2095 🔗

I’m seriously tempted to seek political asylum in Belarus or North Korea.

319665 arfurmo, replying to arfurmo, 16, #938 of 2095 🔗

If you haven’t got a Telegraph subscription you won’t be able to read this little gem https://www.telegraph.co.uk/health-fitness/mind/covid-proof-house-time-christmas/

The low lights are ““It might seem strange, but wearing a face covering inside is a really good idea when you’re in the presence of another household indoors,” says Dr Fitzgerald.”

“I would recommend leaving the food in the kitchen, and people going in to serve themselves,” he says. “However, if you are going to be bringing food to the table, and passing somebody within less than two metres, then wear a face covering when you’re moving around.”

“You could swap presents by the door, then go on a long walk together. Bring some snacks (and sanitiser) on the way. By being a bit inventive with your day, you are less likely to miss doing all the traditions,” says Prof Yardley.

Not worth a read in full if you have high blood pressure.

319669 ▶▶ leggy, replying to arfurmo, 7, #939 of 2095 🔗

What next, 6 foot long distanced crackers?

319676 ▶▶ George L, replying to arfurmo, 7, #940 of 2095 🔗

FFS.. where do they dig these creeps up from???

319740 ▶▶▶ Darryl, replying to George L, 1, #941 of 2095 🔗

We know who made a very big donation to the Telegraph so I guess they are supplied by that foundation.

319679 ▶▶ Paul, replying to arfurmo, 7, #942 of 2095 🔗

I don’t know who is the most deranged,the twisted moron that thinks this crap up or the twisted morons that read it,think it’s good advice and actually do it.

319680 ▶▶ Two-Six, replying to arfurmo, 6, #943 of 2095 🔗
320215 ▶▶▶ dhid, replying to Two-Six, 3, #944 of 2095 🔗

Now if that’s full of chocolate it would last a while…..drool….
🙂

319708 ▶▶ A non-nonny mouse, replying to arfurmo, 4, #945 of 2095 🔗

Find out where the feckers live and then spend time spying on them. See if they follow all their own stupid instructions.

319712 ▶▶ Leemc23, replying to arfurmo, #946 of 2095 🔗

Very good comedy

319776 ▶▶▶ annie, replying to Leemc23, 2, #947 of 2095 🔗

When sanity returns, as it will, the visual comedy that will be extracted from this moronic cretinosity will be limitless.

319674 John P, replying to John P, -31, #948 of 2095 🔗

A request for Toby. (I know it will be ignored, but just letting off steam).

How about dividing the comment threads in to two sections?

One for the sane and rational people who just want Johnson, SAGE and his cabinet in jail and all the restrictions to end

and another for the nutters who think this is “all planned” by Gates and Schwab for their apparent sadistic pleasure and that it is all “supposed to happen”. It’s all part of some devious plot and that Johnson is a robot programmed to obey every whim of Schwab, or is some cunning actor who is pretending to be miserable.

It’s paranoia.

These bloody conspiracy nuts drive me round the bend. I swear, these idiots sometimes upset me more than the government.

I’m really really tired of it. I come on here to get away from the madness, not to be subjected to yet more of it.

319685 ▶▶ George L, replying to John P, 11, #949 of 2095 🔗

Ring up 77th Brigade.. I hear they’re opening up their own forum for frustrated souls like you. Get it off your chest, I’m sure they’ll make you welcome.. 😉

319717 ▶▶▶ anon, replying to George L, 2, #950 of 2095 🔗

you can’t call yourself

319743 ▶▶▶▶ George L, replying to anon, 1, #951 of 2095 🔗

Hee hee.. that tickled old George 😉

319829 ▶▶▶ mikewaite, replying to George L, 4, #952 of 2095 🔗

If the 77th brigade are posting here, they are also reading here.
If one could make a cast iron case against the necessity for lockdown and compulsory masking , and also for a more rigorous examination of the need for a vaccine, then perhaps one could manipulate a classic “turning” exercise .
If the power of the 77th is as strong as sometmes claimed then using its power against, say, the BBC would destroy that institution’s defences fairly quickly.
The only influence on the Govt at present (neglecting the possibility of corrupt financial dealings which are just supposition) is the BBC.
Politicians are absolutely, totally , terrified by its political presenters.
Turn the 77th brigade round (as seen in popular spy novels) and this nightmare is over.

319692 ▶▶ Dan Clarke, replying to John P, 5, #953 of 2095 🔗

Why are Johnson Sage and the cabinet doing it, plus many other countries?

319696 ▶▶ jhfreedom, replying to John P, 2, #954 of 2095 🔗

Yes, don’t conflate stupidity and incompetence for some centrally organised conspiracy.

319701 ▶▶ Mark, replying to John P, 9, #955 of 2095 🔗

Or you could just tolerate people saying things you don’t like?

I find just not reading them solves such problems, unless I’m in the mood for an argument (which admittedly is most of the time for an argumentative old git like me, but some topics do get a bit pointless to discuss, though that tends to be a pretty subjective judgement).

Ignore or engage is my rule for comments I dislike or disagree with. I choose not to regard removing as a viable option.

319704 ▶▶ Saved To Death, replying to John P, 13, #956 of 2095 🔗

Perhaps others feel similar about your rantings yet manage to accept that you have as much of a right to hold and express your opinion as they do theirs.

319713 ▶▶ anon, replying to John P, 2, #957 of 2095 🔗
319721 ▶▶ Muzz Off, replying to John P, 14, #958 of 2095 🔗

I’m not a conspiracy theorist in the slightest. I don’t buy pizzagate, I don’t buy 9/11 stuff, I think we went to the moon, etc.

But there is a limit to what I can believe is possible through simple incompetence and hysteria. This year we have seen the complete and 100% transformation of nearly every aspect of life in nearly every corner of the developed world, and much of the developing. Every aspect is bring us closer to a completely totalitarian society, and all of it is based on a falsehood.

As implausible as a coordinated conspiracy seems, the alternative – that we have conjured a world-war level global crisis out of thin air and almost everyone has fallen for it – is starting to look equally implausible.

I’m not saying I buy any specific theories about Klaus Schwab being the puppet master to all global leaders or suchlike, but it’s all getting fishier by the day and there are certainly people out there benefitting, both financially and in terms of power and ego. It’s also being used in a very obvious way to further climate change policy and other globalist-type interests which also sets my alarm bells ringing.

319942 ▶▶▶ Muzz Off, replying to Muzz Off, 1, #959 of 2095 🔗

To follow up on this, I had a thought about the most frequently-cited psychological reason that people are said to believe in conspiracy theories. This is that they believe things are hoaxed (e.g. mass shootings) in order to protect themselves from the horrible reality that there are truly evil people out there wishing to do them great harm.

In this scenario, you could argue the reverse. People are refusing to believe that this is even a little bit planned because of what that implies. They have to believe it’s all a mistake because if it isn’t, the world is a very dark place indeed and the light may not return for a long time.

To be clear, what I envisage when I think about how this might have been ‘planned’ is not shadowy figures plotting in dark rooms or on private islands. It may not even have been ever discussed explicitly by the main orchestrators. I think of it more as a hive-mind type event, where over several years or more, large and powerful international organisations put together plans of how they would combat the next respiratory pandemic, and coincidentally how they would use such a crisis to their advantage.

Note that such organisations believe above all in their own righteousness, so in their eyes planning in this way isn’t even sinister – both combatting a pandemic and furthering their globalist goals (combatting climate change, online ‘disinformation’ etc) are morally correct actions.

As the convergence of interests become more and more clear to all those involved, planning increased and the search for new viruses intensified. This was always bound to yield results. Seek and ye shall find. And what might otherwise have been a totally unnoticed event, or perhaps a relatively minor 3-6 month panic a la SARS, instead triggered the enaction of a grand global plan of coordinated and severe action.

If you think such a plan wasn’t around, you only have to watch Event 201 on Youtube to see it being discussed. This was an event organised by the Gates Foundation, John Hopkins University and the WEF, just months before SARS-Cov-2 was discovered, which simulated a global response to a new coronavirus pandemic. It both eerily presages our current reality and involves key players in the global response to it. I cannot believe this is a coincidence. If you haven’t watched it, you must. Again, these people weren’t laughing in smoky back rooms after the event at how they’ve just announced their grand conspiracy to the world and the plebs haven’t even noticed. They probably sincerely believed in their own importance and the importance of their work that day. But it primed them all to expect the big one to arrive, and when it seemed to, they swung into action.

Of course, I won’t shy away from the idea that some of the key players truly knew the score and privately understood that this scenario could have ended up playing out even for a minor virus. But they stood to benefit and probably in some way convinced themselves that the transformation in store was also for the good of humanity in the long run. Utopian revolutionaries always do before they lay waste to society.

319986 ▶▶▶▶ George L, replying to Muzz Off, 1, #960 of 2095 🔗

Good post.. the only thing I’d add is that total World Control has been a desired objective for perhaps two hundred years, and during that time the so called elite have nearly always signalled their intentions for the more astute to find. Knowing that the masses would never believe those astute few who sounded an alarm.

320376 ▶▶▶ dhid, replying to Muzz Off, #961 of 2095 🔗

“I’m not a conspiracy theorist in the slightest, I don’t buy pizzagate, I don’t buy 9/11 stuff, I think we went to the moon, etc.
But there is a limit to what I can believe is possible through simple incompetence and hysteria. “

I would absolutely concur with that.

I think there are many more people, including some of my friends – who I would never have thought would do so – are starting to wonder how we could have such an astonishing series of coincidence of events and responses to bring us to where we are now.

I think, from my research of some of the members of SAGE et al, who have very dubious “interests”, both financial and political, and are “advising” a dithering pillock (PM) and a power freak (Wankcock) would normally be strange bedfellows but, it may be that they are using each other to their own ends.

Add in the fact that huge sums have been made by the wealthiest from this in online commerce etc, then they are not likely to complain.

Perhaps surprisingly, some others around the world still trust that the UK is a sensible place and that “our” opinion is worth considering (God help us!) and, probably encouraged by forces of political dissent from within their own countries, are doing a similar thing.

What perturbs me most is that the bloody BBC is still revered by many worldwide and when the scientists that are of much greater credibility (Barrington Declaration etc) than the twats in SAGE, try to make themselves heard, they are ignored or dismissed as “nut jobs”.

That I think is mostly how we are where we are – but I don’t discount at all, the perfectly verifiable financial (and probably therefore ideological influence) involvement by the likes of Gates and others in WHO, academic research grants, etc.

It may also be that those who DO have intention of a “Great Reset” are also taking advantage of the situation too.

Or I may be wrong!

What I do hope is that we don’t stop debating all this here.

Just my 2.5 pence worth

320648 ▶▶▶ Borisbullshit, replying to Muzz Off, #962 of 2095 🔗

For a long time I subscribed to the Toby incompetence theory but I now find in his weekly arguments with Delingpole that I increasingly find in favour of Delingpole (even though I dislike his support of hunting). Its just hard to imagine most other governments of the world would wreck their own economies because of mutual stupidity and especially for 9 months. Even Sweden is now coming under global pressure to succumb to the favoured strategy. The dodgy US election,the forcing through of Green New Deals,the ever increasing censorship…..these dont sound like manifestations of incompetence to me.

319747 ▶▶ Banjones, replying to John P, 4, #963 of 2095 🔗

I can’t imagine why you’d come HERE to ”get away from the madness”! This is where we actually discuss it!
Perhaps it’d be better for your peace of mind either to stop visiting this site, or decide that if you can’t beat ’em then you should join ’em!

319750 ▶▶▶ Banjones, replying to Banjones, 1, #964 of 2095 🔗

PS But I think I detect a note of fear in your anger. That’s not good.

319753 ▶▶ dhid, replying to John P, 3, #965 of 2095 🔗

Unfortunately your description of all those who don’t see it as you do as “nutters” won’t help.

There is a whole raft of beliefs varying from those who think it is just a bit of a mistake by “poor Boris” to the “looneys” who think little green men from mars are the problem.

Most are somewhere in between, and if you discount all of those that don’t accord with you then you might find a few problems with posters who’s responses you label as “nutters”.

I have been subject to some strange things happening to a couple of posts I made a few days ago – having posts from a “contributor” I had robustly responded to deleted, and comments “made” by me which I had not made.

I have not had a proper, definitive answer as to what had happened, on here.

People here have said posts are not deleted by mods/admins, which they possibly aren’t, but I have discovered that posts made, can of course be edited or deleted by the original poster, within a certain period.

I have also discovered that as a registered poster you can in fact post as another existing user, something I was astonished to discover was possible!

I tested this by posting a stupid “response” (as a well known troll on here), and, apart from a short period of the status being”awaiting approval”, the post was made!

So it’s possible some stuff you see posted may not have even have been the original poster!

I agree that there must be some attempt be admins to stop this sort of thing happening by changing the ability of an existing confirmed poster being able to post as another existing user. THAT is bonkers!

319759 ▶▶ Ben, replying to John P, 4, #966 of 2095 🔗

You twist people’s words

Gates, Schwab (numerous others), Pharma and tech industries are interested in making money. No doubt the banks are involved too. It’s about money and control – that’s it

But you’re twisting it into a James Bond villain scenario

319779 ▶▶ Lainey, replying to John P, 2, #967 of 2095 🔗

Bonjour Monsier Incompetence Theorist.
Join the queue over there .

319914 ▶▶ Pebbles, replying to John P, 8, #968 of 2095 🔗

I highly recommend reading “The Strange Death of Dr David Kelly” by Norman Baker. Recommended it to many, few have the guts to confront what our oh so civilized government is capable of doing.
Norman Baker, 15yrs MP for Lewes, knows Westminster inside and out, painstakingly researched the level of corruption involved and how he came to the conclusion after actually having analysed all the evidence that Kelly was murdered and the British Gov has his hands in it even if they themselves didn’t do the deed. The 2003, 45min dossier disaster, the corruption from all echelons of the establishment, the inevitable lead up to Iraq war and the destruction of their livelihoods, culture and society.
Fast forward 17 years and you are watching yet another dossier moment in this country, only that this time it’s psychological and economic warfare against its own people for agendas most fail to understand as it’s too big and too scary.
If you cannot see the greater picture behind it, I highly recommend listening to Catherine Austin Fitts, Solari Report, former Assistant Secretary of Housing, who has been chasing the missing 21 trillion in the US gov… maybe then, you will understand why Schwab is mentioned… the dots connect, they always do, they do with the Kelly affair too.
The only question Baker doesn’t answer is – what did Bush Jr hold over puppy dog’s Blair’s head that made him jump through hoots to please his master…? My suggestion would be to look to Epstein and the dirt he and Maxwell had on politicians… but of course then I may be labeled a conspiracy theorist to which I say – “unlike you I have not surrendered my capacity for critical thinking and I follow the evidence wherever it leads”.

On a side note: friend inside the HSBC (high up) confirmed the HSBC is actively working on switching over to e-Euro. The flick of the switch as per order of the Central Banks is a matter of time UNLESS we throw a stick in their wheels. Because whether it’s “just the e-Euro and the e-GBp” or a “digital world currency”, the point is that many billionaires benefited beautifully from this crisis and the average man and woman has been thrown under the bus, and we are not really going to have a say in those e-currencies, are we…? Unless we put a stick in their wheels… that stick is waking up to the bigger picture. You are witnessing the greatest bank robbery against the ordinary decent human of all times and the best YOU have to offer is label people who call it out as “nutters”? Clearly you know fuck all about the financial system, derivatives bubble, non-backed currencies like ours…?
How about showing us the evidence the assumption of the digital world currency agenda are wrong (which is just one of many by the way)? Hard evidence I mean…? What is YOUR evidence other than that you cannot fathom a real ugly truth about our government and you feel the need to lash out because you are triggered by your own fear?

319967 ▶▶▶ George L, replying to Pebbles, 1, #969 of 2095 🔗

Good post Pebbles . A lot of truth there. Those that think government loves them are Little Red Riding Hood to the Government Wolf..

319915 ▶▶ Kevin 2, replying to John P, 3, #970 of 2095 🔗

What would it take for you to entertain the possibility that you are wrong to a smaller or greater degree?

320241 ▶▶ RickH, replying to John P, 1, #971 of 2095 🔗

John – for chrissake, just leave it. I agree that the Blofeld-type conspiracy theories are what they are – in large part fantasy – and hobby-horses are often exceedingly boring to watch.

But this situation is bound to spark attempts at finding motivations. Conspiracies are just part of that.

I try to avoid discussions about motivations – simply because it gets in the way of the prime task of getting over the basic fallacies about Covid in terms of the hard data. It’s too easy to get side-tracked into fruitless arguments.

If pushed, I don’t believe in any mega-conspiracy; just a convergent range of both opportunism and gullibility that ride on the back of this.

320431 ▶▶ Cheshirecatslave, replying to John P, #972 of 2095 🔗

I don’t believe in conspiracy theories but feel a lot of people are taking advantage of the situation to push their agendas, WEF, extreme environmentalists, drug companies, and so on. I think a lot of people, many linked to politicians are making a lot of money. For example, a lot of SAGE members have shares in vaccine companies, Government cronies have contacts for testing and PPE.

319702 AnotherSceptic, replying to AnotherSceptic, 9, #973 of 2095 🔗

I know that this has already been brought up on here, but this is the latest on the little dictator & her “forgetting” her mask.

One rule for them & another for us. Fucking little witch that she is.

https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/politics/police-taking-no-further-action-23211997

319808 ▶▶ Fingerache Philip., replying to AnotherSceptic, 3, #974 of 2095 🔗

No sympathy for any of em,but how pathetic is it that the “media” and the sheep are transfixed about if anybody, politician,”celebrity” or
whoever if seen without a face nappy is classed as headline news?

319906 ▶▶ Ben, replying to AnotherSceptic, 3, #975 of 2095 🔗

Scots have killed themselves because of lockdown

#hernamewasyvonne

319930 ▶▶▶ Waldorf, replying to Ben, 4, #976 of 2095 🔗

Probably suicide is not the kind of statistic they want to publicise. I am not surprised more people check out, or at least want to.

319709 Elenesse, replying to Elenesse, 12, #977 of 2095 🔗

“Have you any idea how much tyrants fear the people they oppress? All of them realize that, one day, amongst their many victims, there is sure to be one who rises against them and strikes back!”

This quote is from Harry Potter and I think this above all is what this government is truly afraid of. This is why the government are so desperate for us not to congregate, hence the reason they’ve ramped up the restrictions so much this week. I think they realise that more people are waking up so they’re utterly desperate to keep us under their thumb.

Make no mistake, they will overplay their hand one day and that’s when all hell breaks loose. They’re already experiencing a taste of this with the lorry drivers stuck in Dover.

319749 ▶▶ Ben, replying to Elenesse, #978 of 2095 🔗

I wonder if J K Rowling is pro-lockdown?

319757 ▶▶▶ Edward, replying to Ben, 1, #979 of 2095 🔗

Her public views haven’t generally been too inspiring, but she’s rich enough not to care.

320098 ▶▶▶▶ Elenesse, replying to Edward, 2, #980 of 2095 🔗

She has come under fire for her assertions that there are two genders from the trans crowd. So she has been stung by the woke crowd and been “cancelled” by the woke brigade for daring to disagree with them.

Admittedly, she hasn’t really expressed any views on lockdown as of yet but I would be surprised if she was a full blown lockdownista at this point.

320540 ▶▶▶▶▶ SweetBabyCheeses, replying to Elenesse, #981 of 2095 🔗

*there are two SEXES. The mistaken conflation between sex and gender is part of the problem.

320252 ▶▶▶▶ dhid, replying to Edward, 2, #982 of 2095 🔗

I think that’s a bizarre view – yes she’s rich, but she has certainly paid a price with all the woke wankers and cancel brigade.

It’s almost certain that she does care about what she has – perfectly lawfully -expressed, which is probably why she has expressed them.

Rich enough not to care – yes – but maybe she does…..

319710 John P, replying to John P, -15, #983 of 2095 🔗

Time and time and time again I ask the conspiracy nutters to provide

HARD EVIDENCE

It never ever comes. No, it’s enough for them to quote their favorite media con-artist or they rely on what little goes on between their ears to convince them that it is all planned.

It’s not James Bond they say, while promoting creepy Claus as the most devious Bond villain.

Oh that’s the other mark of these idiots. They know. Oh, they can never be fucking wrong!

No, they know it all . They’ve been borrowing Ferguson’s crystal ball. They can see in to he future. They know it is BAD.

Oh, you conspiracy nutjobs think you are so bloody clever, don’t you!

I do have some sympathy for the sheep. I was subjected to one today. I turned up in his print shop unmasked. He didn’t say anything but “masked up” before serving me. I’m going back there so I declined to say what I thought of that

I’t enough having to deal with this madness out there in the real world withough being subjected to people with paranoid delusions on here as well!

Sure, I would go to another forum if there was any out there.

319714 ▶▶ Dan Clarke, replying to John P, 6, #984 of 2095 🔗

I would like proof that its just a mistake by the hapless Johnson and his hapless team and the rest of hapless Europe etc. Like whoops, sorry…….

319755 ▶▶▶ Julian, replying to Dan Clarke, 5, #985 of 2095 🔗

That’s hardly proof, to be fair, just one plausible theory among several

I don’t find alternative theories as maddening as John P does, but I do share to an extent a little bit of the frustration – I don’t expect people pushing these alternative theories to be able to give us chapter and verse on the mechanism, but I’d like to see set out at least some speculative thoughts on the ways in which some group or coalition are managing to influence quite a lot of world governments

319811 ▶▶▶▶ Dan Clarke, replying to Julian, 1, #986 of 2095 🔗

That wasnt mean to be proof, just another alternative to a conspiracy, there are a variety of ‘alternatives’

319850 ▶▶▶▶ George L, replying to Julian, 5, #987 of 2095 🔗

Julian.. there is no speculation its all out there in plain site but it does take a lot of research. The desire for total world control is nothing new if you study history. The initial plans for world government were incorporated in the plans for WW1 via the British Empire. A war by the way that was not wanted by Germany, but by a cabal including British Royalty, Rothschild, Alfred Milner and toadying politicians etc.

Skip a few decades and the world governments signed up to the UN Agenda 21 sustainable development goals at the Rio Earth summit in 1992. Those goals include depopulation, rewilding of large areas of the planet, abolition of private property, removal of people from the countryside, abolition of private vehicles etc et.

This initial summit was organised by a man called Maurice Strong (a Rockefeller cronie) He was also responsible for the founding of the IPCC and the consequent climate scam. This very same man called for the collapse of western nations, and said it was their cabal’s responsibility to bring this about. Strong was a member of The Club of Rome, and they actually wrote a book with their ideas in it called The First Global Revolution.

So there’s a start for you, and yes, by the way.. people like Gates and Schwab are just bit players. The real power never surfaces, and that’s held by the likes of the City of London Crown Agents, old aristocratic European families and their intertwined relationships with Royalty and International bankers.

One thing is absolutely true though.. those powers that I mentioned above want total world control over a much reduced populace..

319724 ▶▶ John Galt, replying to John P, 12, #988 of 2095 🔗

On a serious note, are you OK? I’ve seen you post before about how you’re very lonely, and I understand how hard that must be at the moment. You seem particularly wound up lately, which is why I ask.

319726 ▶▶ Jonathan Palmer, replying to John P, 10, #989 of 2095 🔗

Vaccine tied to digital passport,how much proof do you need.A written letter from Bill Gates

319731 ▶▶ Lisa (formerly) from Toronto, replying to John P, 21, #990 of 2095 🔗

Why don’t you create your own site? Why subject yourselves to us conspiracy nutjobs? Nobody is forcing you to lower yourself to engage with our crazy paranoid delusions. I don’t know why you can’t simply post your own experiences and/or refrain from commenting on what you consider to be crazy stuff. There are lots of people here from different backgrounds, political persuasions, countries, etc. and we don’t always agree with everyone on everything. I’m amazed at how civilized this site is, all things considered, particularly since everyone is under huge amounts of stress. Can you just stop with the name calling and demonstrate some self-control by not responding to posts you find maddening? It’s not that difficult.

319855 ▶▶▶ Pebbles, replying to Lisa (formerly) from Toronto, 3, #991 of 2095 🔗

Well said Lisa, thank you. And for some, deep down the barrel of cognitive dissonance, no evidence is ever enough.

319736 ▶▶ Banjones, replying to John P, 1, #992 of 2095 🔗

Well – THAT was better out than in, wasn’t it?

319744 ▶▶ this is my username, replying to John P, 7, #993 of 2095 🔗

John, please don’t use ad hominem attacks like “nutter” and “idiot” – they don’t help at all. I’m with John Galt – I also want to know that you’re ok.

319769 ▶▶ calchas, replying to John P, 3, #994 of 2095 🔗

What would you like ‘hard evidence’ for John?

319922 ▶▶ Ewan Duffy, replying to John P, #995 of 2095 🔗

As I suggested yesterday, feel free to setup your own forum/blog. No mention of Bill Gates/WEF/Great Reset allowed.

320025 ▶▶ Ben, replying to John P, 2, #996 of 2095 🔗

John P – I hope you’re OK. Sincerely so

I hope 2021 heralds the return to normality. The old normal. Freedom

This is just too much

319722 tonyspurs, replying to tonyspurs, 9, #997 of 2095 🔗

So the wayfarer Inn Instow Devon gave free accommodation and food to Health and Frontline workers at the beginning of the pandemic March/April and now in December get raided by 10 police officers piling in through the door and a £4000 fine for some people not being in their bubbles whatever happened to one good turn deserves another ? FFS
https://www.northdevongazette.co.uk/news/instow-pub-owner-enforcement-response-6866146

319739 ▶▶ dpj, replying to tonyspurs, 6, #998 of 2095 🔗

The owner should send an invoice to NHS for the accomodation and food costs

319741 ▶▶▶ Rupertvn, replying to dpj, 5, #999 of 2095 🔗

Good idea. How about £4000?

319752 ▶▶ Edward, replying to tonyspurs, 7, #1000 of 2095 🔗

Presumably some snitcher tipped off the filth.

320663 ▶▶▶ Borisbullshit, replying to Edward, #1001 of 2095 🔗

Lets hope the pub found out who it is and bars the cunt for life.

319732 Biggles, replying to Biggles, 17, #1002 of 2095 🔗

Well the other set of grandparents have been with Christmas presents for Grace, my 13-year-old granddaughter.

It didn’t look very promising when they got out of their car wearing masks and everything went steadily downhill from there. Having handed over the presents they wouldn’t come into the house and proceeded to stand the requisite distance from the front doorstep talking to Grace for half an hour (still masked up). They were under an umbrella as it was chucking it down with rain and as the temperature was only 5 degrees they had more chance of getting pneumonia.

319745 ▶▶ leggy, replying to Biggles, 4, #1003 of 2095 🔗

State and media induced mental illness. SAMIMI.

319785 ▶▶▶ alw, replying to leggy, 4, #1004 of 2095 🔗

I have neighbours like this. Live on small private estate with large communal area. Tomorrow evening we are having socially distanced mulled wine and mince pies. They will not be joining us the reason being…”we are a little uncomfortable in the current situation so will sadly give it a miss.” All the more for me. 🍷 🍷

320669 ▶▶▶▶ Borisbullshit, replying to alw, #1005 of 2095 🔗

Have an orgy as well!

319907 ▶▶▶ Waldorf, replying to leggy, #1006 of 2095 🔗

Samimi is Turkish for “sincere”. The word is probably derived from Arabic. Nothing sincere about this, though…

319772 ▶▶ Thomas_E, replying to Biggles, 2, #1007 of 2095 🔗

This people can’t be fixed.

319832 ▶▶▶ calchas, replying to Thomas_E, 2, #1008 of 2095 🔗

Yes -it will.

Before the pendulum swings back, it must go all the way to the other side.

319773 ▶▶ George L, replying to Biggles, 10, #1009 of 2095 🔗

Well Biggles I feel for you. I’m a Grandad, and know full well that this whole thing is a scam. However we now seem to live in a world where a majority of the population are undoubtedly incapable of independent thought and the ability to apply some critical thinking. Its just so frustrating..

319733 godowneasy, 5, #1010 of 2095 🔗

Irish nuttery bears more fruit – episode 4523:

Self-isolating means eating Christmas dinner in your bedroom – Dr Colm Henry https://www.irishexaminer.com/news/arid-40195872.html

Dr Colm Henry, Chief Clinical Officer with the HSE, said the 14-day isolation advice means that anyone who came to Ireland from Britain from December 11 onwards should self-isolate in their bedroom.
“Self-isolation means staying in your room in so far as possible, except for essential purposes,” he said.
You should stay in your room to ensure you are not the means of transmission of this more transmissible form of the virus within the house.”
Asked if it means eating Christmas dinner in their room – Dr Henry told RTÉ’s Morning Ireland: “yes, sadly it did mean that.”
——————————————————————————

In the meantime the Irish Agriculture Minister has tested positive after a trip to Brussels to talk about fish. Although he has no symptoms, the rest of the cabinet pond life are restricting their movements as a precaution.

319746 Edward, replying to Edward, 16, #1011 of 2095 🔗

I have a friend of long standing who lives in Brunei in the far east. I was quite touched to receive a worried message asking if I was OK in the plague-ridden cesspit that is modern Britain. Unfortunately she relies on the BBC for news about the UK. I replied that I was more worried about the government than about catching covid, and that the BBC is now the propaganda arm of the government. I recommended this site as an alternative viewpoint.

319763 ▶▶ Banjones, replying to Edward, 5, #1012 of 2095 🔗

I know what you mean, Edward. I’m constantly writing to our Canadian, Australian and NZ friends to tell them that, despite our government trying to present the UK as the plague pit of Europe, in fact the figures show otherwise.
”Our” town in Alberta has had a couple of ”cases” and some elderly deaths (with not from) and they seem to be terrified! And these are educated, thinking people!
We must try to keep countering this evil propaganda put about by our own national broadcaster, in our own small way.

319765 ▶▶ calchas, replying to Edward, 1, #1013 of 2095 🔗

How are things in Brunei?

319791 ▶▶▶ Edward, replying to calchas, 2, #1014 of 2095 🔗

Not many cases but quite severe restrictions, similar to tier 3 here. Strict controls on entry. As they are ruled by an autocratic sultan they mostly do as they are told. I should clarify that “plague-ridden cesspit” is my satirical interpretation and not my friend’s actual words.
Parts of the media have always enjoyed running stories of “Britain is the laughing stock of the world”.

319778 ▶▶ AngloWelshDragon, replying to Edward, 1, #1015 of 2095 🔗

Yes I had a very concerned message from a friend in Hong Kong. I laughed and gave them a “nothing to see here” explanation of recent events.

319760 TheBigman, 6, #1016 of 2095 🔗

A few things.

Can whomever links the articles to the posts above do so via archive sites so the whole article can be read as intended.

Also why wasn’t the Sturgenator not near the top of the posts today. It’s astonish g how much she can get away with. She needs more pressure on her.

319764 Mark, replying to Mark, 2, #1017 of 2095 🔗

A good summary thread (retweeted by InProportion2) on why so few have stood up to be counted on the coronapanic:

https://twitter.com/boriquagato/status/1341747532192382976

319766 ▶▶ annie, replying to Mark, #1018 of 2095 🔗

It’s a very good analogy.

319803 ▶▶ calchas, replying to Mark, #1019 of 2095 🔗

Spot on!

320093 ▶▶ Julian, replying to Mark, #1020 of 2095 🔗

Well worth a read

319771 John P, replying to John P, -15, #1021 of 2095 🔗

(3 of 3)

That is why I sometimes think that the conspiracy nuts are actually being paid to spread their Gates/Schwab nonsense.

The idea may be to :

(1) discredit Toby Young
(2) deflect attention away from Johnson and his government
(3) to drive lockdown sceptics insane (they’re driving me mad!)

But I am mindful that when I do think this that I have no evidence, no proof of this.

And despite the fact that these people are impossible to reason with, it may just be that they genuinely believe that Schwab (who I have no fondness or regard for) is some sort of latter day Bond villain and that it is “all planned” by him and people like Gates and Soros despite the fact that they have no evidence for their beliefs.

So I don’t indulge my own paranoid thoughts when they arise. I dismiss them.

I don’t know the future. I don’t know what other people are thinking and I don’t know their motivations.

319797 ▶▶ calchas, replying to John P, 3, #1022 of 2095 🔗

‘deflect attention away from Johnson and his government’

John, is covid a British phenomenon or a global phenomenon?

319814 ▶▶ this is my username, replying to John P, 5, #1023 of 2095 🔗

Would you check out James Corbett at the Corbett Report? Everything he puts out is impecably sourced. You can see the show notes and check his sources yourself. It’s not always a case of listening to every source – I’ve been studying this stuff for years and I know who I trust to give me facts. He’s one of them. He recently did a complete series on Bill Gates you might find interesting.

319815 ▶▶ Ben, replying to John P, 4, #1024 of 2095 🔗

Now you sound exactly like the type of person you’re deriding

Who’s paying people to question Gates, the WEF, Pharma? I’d like to know. Give us your wisdom

319846 ▶▶ OKUK, replying to John P, 6, #1025 of 2095 🔗

I’ve only ever seen direct quotes from Schwab and WEF
here. Not nonsense.

319857 ▶▶ Jonathan Palmer, replying to John P, 3, #1026 of 2095 🔗

Where can I sign up.I could with an income

319871 ▶▶ George L, replying to John P, 7, #1027 of 2095 🔗

John P.. the story is a long one but here’s a taster..

The desire for total world control is nothing new if you study history. The initial plans for world government were incorporated in the plans for WW1 via the British Empire. A war by the way that was not wanted by Germany, but by a cabal including British Royalty, Rothschild, Alfred Milner was a tore de force, and toadying English politicians etc.

Skip a few decades and the world governments signed up to the UN Agenda 21 sustainable development goals at the Rio Earth summit in 1992. Those goals include depopulation, rewilding of large areas of the planet, abolition of private property, removal of people from the countryside, abolition of private vehicles etc etc.

This initial summit was organised by a man called Maurice Strong (a Rockefeller cronie) He was also responsible for the founding of the IPCC and the consequent climate scam. This very same man called for the collapse of western nations, and said it was their cabal’s responsibility to bring this about. Strong was a member of The Club of Rome, and they actually wrote a book with their ideas in it called The First Global Revolution.

So there’s a start for you, and yes, by the way.. people like Gates and Schwab are just bit players.The real power never surfaces, and that’s held by the likes of the City of London Crown Agents, old aristocratic European families and their intertwined relationships with Royalty and International bankers.

One thing is absolutely true though.. those powers that I mentioned above want total world control over a much reduced populace, and every bit of information regarding the overall plan is hiding in plain site. They’ve let it be known over the years what they are going to do, and the adjoined WEF is letting you know now. There’s no conspiracy as such.. they’re letting you in on their plans for you..

320046 ▶▶ jb12, replying to John P, 2, #1028 of 2095 🔗

John, you are either deranged or you are not who you puport to be.

320082 ▶▶ Julian, replying to John P, 2, #1029 of 2095 🔗

Hi John
I disagree with what seem to me like the more exotic theories, but I don’t think it’s unfair to doubt their sincerity or imply they have ulterior motives – some may, but I think both “sides” should assume the other “side” is sincere unless proved otherwise definitively.
I am torn – I believe in freedom of speech and robust debate, and these are important issues, but maybe they are taking too much of our energy and sanity, both of which are in short supply.
Christmas Truce?

319775 alw, replying to alw, 2, #1030 of 2095 🔗

You can kill Covid with a flick of a switch, study showsUltraviolet LED lights kill coronavirus quickly, efficiently and cheaply — but don’t go stringing purple lights all over your home. https://www.israel21c.org/you-can-kill-covid-with-a-flick-of-a-switch-study-shows/?utm_source=The+Weekly&utm_campaign=weekly-2020-12-23&utm_medium=email

No need for vaccine then.

319801 ▶▶ Basics, replying to alw, 4, #1031 of 2095 🔗

Switch on side of TV does the same job.

319804 ▶▶ Ben, replying to alw, 1, #1032 of 2095 🔗

Going out in the sunshine should do the same thing

319856 ▶▶ bluemoon, replying to alw, #1034 of 2095 🔗

Is this like when sea water was able to dissolve the triffids?

319971 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to alw, -1, #1035 of 2095 🔗

Trump correct again?

320076 ▶▶ iansn, replying to alw, #1036 of 2095 🔗

Like wise infra red heaters kill it too as it heats all objects it comes in contact with, lemon grass vaporisers help as well as it is a well known anti viral/anti bacterial

319781 chaos, replying to chaos, 1, #1037 of 2095 🔗

A YouGov poll on Tuesday revealed that 39 percent would “strongly support” another lockdown, 32 per cent would “somewhat support” it, while only 12 per cent would “strongly oppose” and 10 percent would “somewhat oppose” it.

How difficult is YouGov to manipulate? Not only is it operated by a former tory minister, but surely anyone.. from Basildon or Bejiing could register using authentic looking details and vote on it?

319793 ▶▶ calchas, replying to chaos, 2, #1038 of 2095 🔗

That’s good news.

Given that it’s Yougov, I would expect much higher support for Lockdown than that.

319802 ▶▶ Ben, replying to chaos, 1, #1039 of 2095 🔗

YouGov will set you free

319809 ▶▶ Sceptic in Oxford, replying to chaos, 4, #1040 of 2095 🔗

Could it be any coincidence that its co-founder was Nadhim Zahawi, now the Govt minister for vaccines?

Just saying …

319818 ▶▶▶ calchas, replying to Sceptic in Oxford, 2, #1041 of 2095 🔗

Minister for vaccines??

LMFAO

We’ll have a Minister for Paracetamol next.

319841 ▶▶▶▶ Sceptic in Oxford, replying to calchas, 2, #1042 of 2095 🔗

Here’s a link.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-55115037

Though it is the BBC so, as the saying goes, “is that true or did you hear it on the BBC”
😉

319854 ▶▶▶▶ Sceptic in Oxford, replying to calchas, 1, #1043 of 2095 🔗

Given the sheeple, I predict the Govt will soon appoint a Minister for Telling the People How to Wipe their Arse

319840 ▶▶ OKUK, replying to chaos, #1044 of 2095 🔗

And YouGov would strongly support a second Government.

319847 ▶▶▶ Sceptic in Oxford, replying to OKUK, #1045 of 2095 🔗

YouGov finds 99% of people think that the the Government is doing a fabulous job, particularly YouGov’s co-founder Nadhim Zahawi …. hmmm

319851 ▶▶ Jonathan Palmer, replying to chaos, 1, #1046 of 2095 🔗

Opinion polls are a means to influence public opinion not measure it

319853 ▶▶ A. Contrarian, replying to chaos, 1, #1047 of 2095 🔗

Only 39%? That is major progress!!

How can you somewhat support a lockdown though? It’s all or nothing, legally enforced restrictions isn’t it? You can’t “somewhat” follow them, you either do or you don’t.

319901 ▶▶ George L, replying to chaos, 1, #1048 of 2095 🔗

I wouldn’t trust YouGov as far as I could fling them. They are nothing more than paid influencers. The day I start believing them is the day I lose the will to live..

319991 ▶▶ EllGee, replying to chaos, #1049 of 2095 🔗

If you don’t fit with their algorithm, which is used when they want a poll to give a specific result, you don’t get that specific one. Endless consumer ones will fill your inbox though

320312 ▶▶ Old Trout, replying to chaos, #1050 of 2095 🔗

As I’ve posted before, yougov surveys are sent out by invitation to particular members, so it’s perfectly possibly to manipulate the samples in advance. You don’t even have to word the questions ambiguously if you know in advance what the answers are likely to be. I’ve NEVER been sent a survey asking my views on lockdown or vaccines since expressing the fact I was against the lockdown months ago.

319783 wendyk, replying to wendyk, 10, #1051 of 2095 🔗

Here is a brief account of my surreal experience with our local library: having reserved 3 books-still allowed,although obligatory quarantining delays delivery-I received a message today advising that the books were now ready for collection.

Straightfoward,one might have assumed; not so. Since The Sturgeonator saw fit to confine us in Tier 4, the council has removed library opening hours from the website, although would be patrons are advised to check the hours on said website as Tier 4 now in operation.

I phoned the library,no answer; rang the council helpline: no information available, even though the council stipulates the permitted opening hours; went round to library-closed with obsolete opening hours notice on front window.

You couldn’t make this up! I have no idea whether,as assured by the council website,that I will be able to collect the books before 1pm tomorrow, after which time the library will close for another 3 weeks,while The Sturgeonator considers options for future punishment.

This lot couldn’t run a charity stall. Utterly, utterly bonkers, inefficient and disorganised.

But The Sturgeonator still has the widespread approval of the faithful.

Rant over.

319789 ▶▶ annie, replying to wendyk, 7, #1052 of 2095 🔗

They don’t want you reading books, it might help you to think.
Or you might even enjoy it.
Can’t be having that.

319820 ▶▶ Basics, replying to wendyk, 4, #1053 of 2095 🔗

I hear that krank has been wild-hitler-eyes raving in the chamber this morning defending her carehome actions. I’m told the vitriol she put together left no doubt she knows she is in a corner with the wolves approaching.

Yay for wolves!

319838 ▶▶▶ wendyk, replying to Basics, #1054 of 2095 🔗

If only wolves still lived in Scotland! Perhaps the Russians would let us have some to start a colony.

319924 ▶▶▶▶ TheOriginalBlackPudding, replying to wendyk, 1, #1055 of 2095 🔗

I seem to recall that the last wolf in Scotland was killed at Killiekrankie. Which prompts a thought….

320040 ▶▶▶ jb12, replying to Basics, #1056 of 2095 🔗

Last I heard she claimed she knew nothing of the care homes.

319831 ▶▶ mjr, replying to wendyk, 1, #1057 of 2095 🔗

dont suppose one of the books you ordered was “catch 22”

319835 ▶▶▶ wendyk, replying to mjr, 1, #1058 of 2095 🔗

Funnily enough, this was one of my previous orders and very timely it was too.

319849 ▶▶ A. Contrarian, replying to wendyk, 1, #1059 of 2095 🔗

I ordered a library book pack for my 6 yo during LD 2. Still no word on it. Must be tough these days putting a few books into a bag for a small child, I expect Covid is making it virtually impossible.

319868 ▶▶▶ wendyk, replying to A. Contrarian, 1, #1060 of 2095 🔗

Yes it’s just too hazardous; lethal pathogens might be lurking between the pages or hiding in the bookstacks, ready to pounce.

319909 ▶▶ TheOriginalBlackPudding, replying to wendyk, 1, #1061 of 2095 🔗

Books are dangerous. People who read them are subversives. Unless they buy them from state-approved Amazon. Death to the bookshops! Death to the libraries!

The “Knowledge Economy” is really the “Ignorance Economy” and the computer says ‘No’, as the TV sketch had it.

319786 annie, replying to annie, 15, #1062 of 2095 🔗

Just been to Porton Down Mark II – Marks and Spencer Decontamination Centre Haverfordwest to collect my turkey.
If anybody wants a text-book example of the absolute and total negation of the Christmas, and indeed the human, spirit, I recommend that hell-hole, a weeping sore outstandingly ugly even on the poxy face of Gulag Wales.

319827 ▶▶ Biggles, replying to annie, 5, #1063 of 2095 🔗

Things are a little better in Co Durham. Mrs B got the turkey from M&S yesterday. There was a huge queue, but as the turkey had been pre-ordered she was allowed to go straight in and also get a few other things. Everyone was masked up but the staff were very friendly. She was in and out in 15 minutes so it was way quicker than last year.

319843 ▶▶ A. Contrarian, replying to annie, 8, #1064 of 2095 🔗

Why bother. I would rather have dry bread and water for my Christmas dinner than put myself through that. But then I am feeling very depressed these days. Can’t be bothered with the Christmas performance in the slightest, in fact I can’t wait for it to be over so people can stop being all merry and jolly and festive and actually live in the cr*p that is now the real world.

Sorry, told you I was feeling depressed.

320701 ▶▶▶ Borisbullshit, replying to A. Contrarian, #1065 of 2095 🔗

Great post and spot on really.

319873 ▶▶ Mr Dee, replying to annie, 4, #1066 of 2095 🔗

Wife just come back from Sainsburies, Wrexham. Busy, and all normal, apart from the obligatory mask-wearing. No stupid aisle closures like the so-called Firebreak (stupid name for a worthless endeavour). No queues. My son’s in Chester – Christmas shopping – a bit quieter than he expected, but festive and fun. I really do think the majority are ignoring all this nonsense. Everyone else is cowering at home. Good. keep out of our way, you fools!

319974 ▶▶ l835, replying to annie, #1067 of 2095 🔗

You’ve not been to Rhyl then…

319928 ▶▶ Andrew K, replying to Tom Blackburn, 2, #1069 of 2095 🔗

From the link above, the last line says it all

The absence of strong evidence that asymptomatic people are a driver of transmission is another good reason for pausing the roll out of mass testing in schools, universities, and communities.

319794 Basics, replying to Basics, 7, #1070 of 2095 🔗

Psychopaths are said to struggle with creativity.

Management-speak creates jargon to signal quickly you are on the minute with the latests flashy thinking.

A short compilation of Build, Back, … wait for it, wait for it… Better.

https://youtu.be/YkcaeaD45MY

Isn’t it curious how in times on global communication each dear leader (and non elected maniac) chirrup on about the same three words. Does each of these dear leaders mean the same thing with these ambiguous/meaningless jargon words?

Is Building Back the same in Canada as France? Is Better the same for the Maldives as for China. Does Merkel (mess weg) mean the same thing for the people of Germany as Biden does in America?

So many questions over so few words. Why oh why are they so meaningless yet popular to spout?

319798 ▶▶ chaos, replying to Basics, 7, #1071 of 2095 🔗

In the same way the plebs have been taken in by covid. Our leaders have been taken in by the great reset. There is no great reset. Just a depression.

319826 ▶▶▶ Crystal Decanter, replying to chaos, 6, #1072 of 2095 🔗

2008 banking theft has never been addressed properly
The bat cold is a rather convenient smokescreen for the depression that was always on the way

319845 ▶▶ Jonathan Palmer, replying to Basics, 4, #1073 of 2095 🔗

Johnson explained what he meant by that slogan,the green industrial revolution.Hence the windmills,cycle lanes and banning of petrol/diesel vehicles

319861 ▶▶▶ Basics, replying to Jonathan Palmer, 3, #1074 of 2095 🔗

Hellishly vague and a shit way to build 60k jobs building windmills that need china nukepower to back up on off days. I hear whst you are saying but, did he really explain ot did he jargon-warning green-wash?

Owning nothing is some peoples idea of better back building. Others, actually the same, think trip to mars is just the ticket.

319885 ▶▶▶▶ Ben, replying to Basics, 4, #1075 of 2095 🔗

The Greens/Extinction Rebellion are the biggest liars on the planet. Not a pip from them about the scourge of discarded face masks polluting the oceans.

Apart from perhaps China, the world’s biggest polluter (apparently) is the United States military. Seeing a photo opportunity of Greta Thunberg shaking hands with Obama (who’s droned multiple countries during his presidency) was all I needed to realise Extinction Rebellion is disingenuous.

320291 ▶▶▶▶▶ Two-Six, replying to Ben, 2, #1076 of 2095 🔗

Right here goes, some green bollocks factoids

It will take the Tesla battery factory 500 years to make enough batteries to store just one day’s worth of Americas electricity use
Currently alternative energy sources supply just 3% of the world energy
Windmills and batteries and solar panels are all built from non-renewable materials

A single EV battery weighs about half a ton, making one requires digging up 250 tons of earth somewhere on the planet.
Building a single 100MW wind farm to power 75000 homes requires 3000 tons of Iron ore, 50000tons of Concreate, and 900 tons of plastic. For a 100MW solar farm would need 150% more of these materials.

Rare earth metals, the world will need 200 to 2000% increase in mining for elements such as cobalt, lithium, copper, iridium, and dysprosium. Massive new mining operations all over the world will be needed. Mostly in remote wilderness areas. The mining itself requires massive amounts of conventional energy as do the refinery and manufacture processes.

These products have a life of about 20 years or less.

The international renewable energy agency calculates that by 2050 the disposal of worn out solar panels will constitute double the tonnage of all of the worlds plastic waste. Wind mills and batteries will add even more non renewable junk into the environment.

Facts taken from here:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RqppRC37OgI

320320 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Ben, replying to Two-Six, 3, #1077 of 2095 🔗

Apparently electric cars remove their source of pollution from the exhaust pipe and transfer it over to the power plant and the mines that dig up the raw materials that are used for the electric batteries. They are expensive virtue-signalling vehicles

320891 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Ben, replying to Two-Six, #1078 of 2095 🔗

Thank you. That’s quite shocking. So the Greens are either ignorant or they’re lying

319900 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to Basics, 2, #1079 of 2095 🔗

If anything it shows you how it’s not spontaneous action. It’s a plan and they are well aware of what it signals to adopt the correct language.

319800 Sam Vimes, replying to Sam Vimes, 1, #1080 of 2095 🔗

Could someone do me a favour and point me at the ‘source’ of the bogus 691 deaths yesterday, please?

319836 ▶▶ DocRC, replying to Sam Vimes, 4, #1081 of 2095 🔗

Although they announce them as daily deaths e.g.691 yesterday, the date of the deaths vary. The chart shows the deaths by date of death which gives a balanced picture. As you can see for yesterday, the orange bars represent the deaths announced yesterday.

319848 ▶▶ Voz 0db, replying to Sam Vimes, 2, #1082 of 2095 🔗

HOW DARE YOU?!?!

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EVERY NUMBER, EVERY FORECAST, EVERY PCR, EVERY JAB, EVERY DEATH is obtained thanks to highly sophisticated algos, running on the best super computers moron uman animals ever made!

319858 ▶▶ Jonny S., replying to Sam Vimes, 1, #1083 of 2095 🔗

https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/details/deaths
Shows how “deaths by date reported” as given by MSM distorts the real picture.

319860 ▶▶▶ Jonny S., replying to Jonny S., 1, #1084 of 2095 🔗

Take note of the scale on the left.

319936 ▶▶▶ Aslangeo, replying to Jonny S., 1, #1085 of 2095 🔗

An important pair of diagrams – note the weekend effect on the reporting date graph ( fewer deaths reported on Saturdays, Sundays and Mondays) and the catch up on Tuesdays and Wednesdays

Of course mainstream journalists do not seem to notice or care

To show how announced deaths are spread out – Today’s announced deaths in English Hospitals were 416 comprising
55 deaths on 22 Dec
190 deaths on 21st Dec
64 Deaths on 20 Dec
37 Deaths on 19th Dec
32 Deaths on 18th Dec
12 Deaths on 17th Dec
and 26 Deaths spread out on various dates up until 19th of April

Daily deaths in English hospitals have been averaging at about 280 since mid November – The English Hospital data is available here – https://www.england.nhs.uk/statistics/statistical-work-areas/covid-19-daily-deaths/ and is updated daily about 2 pm

320232 ▶▶▶ Two-Six, replying to Jonny S., #1086 of 2095 🔗

yer we are back to the death tally again aren’t we. This is the same trick they used the first time round. These people are a one trick pony. This is all they have to scare the sheeple with. Lies.

319810 dhid, replying to dhid, 8, #1087 of 2095 🔗

At the risk of being regarded a “nutter”, “bot” or “troll” – as I have posted most of the following in a reply to another post by “John P” earlier – I would like something done by Site Admins about the following:

I have been subject to some strange things happening to a couple of posts I made a few days ago – having posts from a “contributor” I had robustly responded to deleted, and comments “made” by me which I had not made.

I have not had a proper, definitive answer as to what had happened, on here.

People here have said posts are not deleted by Mods or Admins, which they possibly aren’t, but I have discovered that posts made, can of course be edited or deleted by the original poster, within a certain period.

I have also discovered that as a registered poster you can in fact post as another existing user, something I was astonished to discover was even possible!

I tested this by posting a stupid “response” (as a well known troll on here), and, apart from a short period of the status being ”awaiting approval”, the post was made!

So, it’s possible some stuff you see posted here may not have even been made by the original poster!

Some attempt must be made please, by Admins to stop this sort of thing happening by changing the ability of an existing confirmed poster being able to post as another existing user. If this is not addressed it will at some point undermine the credibility of the comments section!

THAT is bonkers!

319823 ▶▶ Ben, replying to dhid, 5, #1088 of 2095 🔗

I posted a screenshot from the ‘Ernst Wolff #Corona – The Collapse of the System’ video from YouTube yesterday, which disappeared

But there is more freedom on here to comment than there is on the Guardian website, which just deletes anything it doesn’t approve of

319837 ▶▶▶ dhid, replying to Ben, 4, #1089 of 2095 🔗

True – but being able to post as another user (very easily I discovered) is ridiculous and likely to cause problems for the site.

319865 ▶▶ Mabel Cow, replying to dhid, 3, #1090 of 2095 🔗

FYI, by my reckoning just under 4% of posts end up being deleted.

I have come to that conclusion by comparing the comment id (a monotonically-increasing integer) to the actual number of comments that I have scraped from this website whilst building Panscepticon .

For example, as at 13:36 today my database contained 307,703 comments, whereas the last comment id was 319,644. From this I conclude that 11,941 posts have been removed (or never published) since this site went live.

I presume the majority of the missing posts were spam, but I don’t have any inside information one way or the other.

@dhid: If you can find your masquerading post on Panscepticon, I can see if I can find a way to detect such tomfoolery in future.

319883 ▶▶▶ dhid, replying to Mabel Cow, #1091 of 2095 🔗

OK – thanks.

What concerns me most is the ability to post as another verified user which I believe happened the other day, as the post id numbers of the (insulting) posts “I” had made were some time later than the real posts above then which were me.

Obviously the ability to edit or delete by the poster is needed for mistakes etc, but it does mean that if others posts are made as someone else (something I find extraordinary that it’s possible) can lead, as it did the other day to some serious misunderstanding!

319893 ▶▶▶▶ dhid, replying to dhid, #1092 of 2095 🔗

This is a post by Mabel Cow, masquerading as dhid.

319983 ▶▶▶▶▶ Mabel Cow, replying to dhid, 3, #1093 of 2095 🔗

It would seem that post masquerading is definitely a thing (see my post above: from me, but labelled with dhid’s name).

Sigh. Like we don’t have enough lies to contend with.

320011 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ dhid, replying to Mabel Cow, 1, #1094 of 2095 🔗

Indeed – just to confirm – this is “dhid” as “Mabel Cow”.

As you say we don’t need this!

320019 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Mabel Cow, replying to Mabel Cow, 1, #1095 of 2095 🔗

Here’s an example of a post from 2020-12-21 that was allegedly written by dhid but quite obviously wasn’t.

The underlying user id attached the masquerading post correlates with the id for the JohnB account. I don’t know whether this is a bug in the wpDiscuz software or actual malfeasance.

320045 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ dhid, replying to Mabel Cow, #1096 of 2095 🔗

Definitely I can confirm I didn’t tell myself it was time for bed!

dhid

320058 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ dhid, replying to dhid, #1097 of 2095 🔗

Further – I would expect it was a setting that needs changing but I have no idea what, have no experience with wpDiscuz.

If it’s a bug, it’s a serious one!

320992 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to dhid, #1098 of 2095 🔗

Maybe you should have done before throwing insults around ? Despite being told precisely what was happening.

320286 ▶▶▶ Edward, replying to Mabel Cow, 2, #1099 of 2095 🔗

Excellent work by our resident IT expert Mabel Cow and by dhid for spotting it in the first place. The administrators need to fix this masquerading issue quickly, otherwise the enemy will start to take advantage of it to bugger up the site, as the technical expression has it.

320513 ▶▶▶▶ Mabel Cow, replying to Edward, 1, #1100 of 2095 🔗

I have emailed the site administrator requesting that posting for non-logged in users be disabled.

320726 ▶▶▶▶▶ dhid, replying to Mabel Cow, #1101 of 2095 🔗

Great thanks!

320736 ▶▶▶▶ dhid, replying to Edward, #1102 of 2095 🔗

Yes I’m glad I figured what had happened to “my” posts and having Mabel Cow respond and confirming it by test – I was starting to think I was going mad!

Also thanks that user Mark confirmed his previous experience with a link elsewhere in thread.

Well, I might still be going mad – who knows? Lol!

319894 ▶▶ GiftWrappedKittyCat, replying to dhid, 1, #1103 of 2095 🔗

It’s probably best if you contact the site’s admin by email as they probably don’t read all the comments. There is a link to the email address above the line.

319948 ▶▶▶ dhid, replying to GiftWrappedKittyCat, #1104 of 2095 🔗

Agreed and thanks – I can’t find a verifiable address for site admin though.

Given this simple, and I would have thought fairly obvious (and dangerous) “loophole”, it does make me a little worried if they will be able to fix it!

I’ve done system development for software and intranet sites where we made security issues like that a top priority. Even more important on a publicly accessible net site like this, especially given the subject.

320051 ▶▶▶▶ Julian, replying to dhid, 1, #1105 of 2095 🔗

I think some of us at least have been aware of this for a while and in general it hasn’t been abused

There has been some confusion where two Marks were posting – the second Mark didn’t realise there was another Mark. It was resolved amicably.

It’s not ideal, for sure.

320102 ▶▶▶▶▶ dhid, replying to Julian, #1106 of 2095 🔗

Hi Julian,

I guess accidental “duplication” is one thing, but what I have highlighted was masquerading by another user with mall-intent, which was being used, which made me look like a scumbag, which I don’t think I am, too much, anyway!

As I expressed at the time, I had mentioned a certain numbered organisation of verifiable existence, (which contains the number two a couple of times!) which might have been the trigger – I don’t know.

320113 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Mark, replying to dhid, #1107 of 2095 🔗

I discussed the issue at some length with the admin rms who basically confirmed that there seems to be no fix within the software for this.

https://forums.lockdownsceptics.org/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=562

Frankly I was as amazed as you are that the software does not automatically require unique posting (and display) names. After giving it some thought I presume it is because the site uses a blog comment system designed for occasional comments beneath separate blog posts, not for sustaining long term discussions and IDs.

Frankly I don’t recall ever using a forum that allowed duplicate posting names in this way – the potential for confusion and outright abuse is obvious, but it’s a few years since I was particularly active, so perhaps it’s more common now.

320146 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ dhid, replying to Mark, #1108 of 2095 🔗

Thanks – just looked at that….

Scary – if correct then given the widespread use – ye gods!

320122 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Mark, replying to dhid, #1109 of 2095 🔗

If you want to contact admin, you could go to that forum thread and send a private message to rms.

320522 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ SweetBabyCheeses, replying to Mark, #1110 of 2095 🔗

Admin is lockdownsceptics@castironsolutions.co.uk
They were v speedy and helpful when I had a login issue.

320105 ▶▶▶▶▶ Mark, replying to Julian, #1111 of 2095 🔗

There was a third Mark though who persisted in posting under the duplicate ID for a while even after it was pointed out to him.

320141 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ dhid, replying to Mark, #1112 of 2095 🔗

Presumably that was a genuine person, but who didn’t want to give up the ID?

If no fix is possible that is very worrying – I find it extraordinary that anyone developing software could not have realised that it was likely to be a serious problem!

Perhaps “Prof.” F£rguss0n was involved…….Lol!

320171 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Mark, replying to dhid, #1113 of 2095 🔗

I think it was – just a bit inconsiderate and unresponsive.

My fault in a way for choosing a common posting name back when I started commenting here, but if I’d given it any thought at the time I would just have assumed duplicates would be prevented by the system anyway.

320193 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ dhid, replying to Mark, #1114 of 2095 🔗

Exactly – you shouldn’t have to think about it.

Most people wouldn’t even be aware there even could be a problem of that kind – duplicating or triplicating or….

320176 ▶▶ wtc7, replying to dhid, -1, #1115 of 2095 🔗

There’s no free speech here anymore, many long term posters are recently banned. LS showing their true colours now.

320524 ▶▶▶ John P, replying to wtc7, #1116 of 2095 🔗

Are they? Have you any proof of that? I’m not banned and I rarely hold back.

320527 ▶▶ John P, replying to dhid, #1117 of 2095 🔗

Fame at last !

320740 ▶▶▶ dhid, replying to John P, #1118 of 2095 🔗

Assuming you are “John P” – I wasn’t looking for fame mate! Lol!

320766 ▶▶▶▶ dhid, replying to dhid, #1119 of 2095 🔗

Oh you mean my mention of you! Sorry!

It’s getting late and I have taken advantage of the sun being over the yardarm!

319817 Voz 0db, 17, #1120 of 2095 🔗
319859 Silke David, replying to Silke David, 9, #1121 of 2095 🔗

Switching channels on my tv came across f..ing Ferguson on BBC.

I immediately felt like throwing up.

319874 ▶▶ Sceptic in Oxford, replying to Silke David, 5, #1122 of 2095 🔗

Was he wearing a T-shirt and suit jacket again? Maybe he’ll get a shirt and tie for Christmas or better still, a new T-shirt with “I’m a absolute nob” on it.

319905 ▶▶▶ Silke David, replying to Sceptic in Oxford, #1123 of 2095 🔗

Did not look long enough to notice.

320138 ▶▶▶ Sam Vimes, replying to Sceptic in Oxford, #1124 of 2095 🔗

Maybe “I devastated more lives than I said would be lost to the virus” on the back?

320183 ▶▶▶ Jaguarpig, replying to Sceptic in Oxford, 1, #1125 of 2095 🔗

He should get a Columbian neck tie

320205 ▶▶ TheBluePill, replying to Silke David, 1, #1126 of 2095 🔗

It may be that if that scum didn’t exist then this whole shit-show may not have happened and millions or billions of people would not have died or suffered. If Pantsdown had the slightest humanity he would have done the world a favour long ago and had an intimate encounter with a Pendalino at high speed. If anyone in the future ever develops a time machine, please consider this candidate for erasure.

319863 Jimmy Cricket, #1127 of 2095 🔗

319864 PatrickF, 5, #1128 of 2095 🔗

I’m suffering from lettuce withdrawal symptoms, because the Mutant Ninja virus ordered people to empty the shelves.
I was going to roast it on Xmas day instead of the turkey.

319866 Ben, replying to Ben, 15, #1129 of 2095 🔗

A source of Big Pharma competition goes up in smoke. Nothing to see here, just terrible incompetence, a mishap, a mistake, an error etc.
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319882 ▶▶ George L, replying to Ben, 9, #1130 of 2095 🔗

As you say Ben.. nothing to see here. Its surely just a coincidence..

319867 Basics, replying to Basics, #1131 of 2095 🔗

Is there such a thing as the definitive final official word on the England Scotland border closure?

Not looking for opinion but the actual final end of story word.

319962 ▶▶ ikaraki, replying to Basics, 1, #1132 of 2095 🔗

Some information – saw a panda on Monday evening at the Lamberton slip. Traffic appeared to be flowing freely.

320022 ▶▶ jb12, replying to Basics, 1, #1133 of 2095 🔗

There’s nothing official, as far as I am aware. The last I read was that the police were hoping the public would do the ‘right thing’.

320262 ▶▶▶ Basics, replying to jb12, #1134 of 2095 🔗

Thanks. Ridiculous state of affairs.

319875 richmond, replying to richmond, 4, #1135 of 2095 🔗

CNN says not to be surprised if people die after taking the vaccine.
https://summit.news/2020/12/08/cnn-dont-be-alarmed-if-people-start-dying-after-taking-the-vaccine/

319889 ▶▶ Ben, replying to richmond, 6, #1136 of 2095 🔗

But we’re ‘anti-vaxxers’ if we don’t want to take it

319876 Awkward Git, 6, #1137 of 2095 🔗

Found this on the DARPA website

DARPA’s Early Investment in COVID-19 Antibody Identification Producing Timely Results

DARPA’s Pandemic Prevention Platform (P3) program, launched in 2017, focuses on rapid discovery, characterization, production, testing, and delivery of efficacious DNA- and RNA-encoded medical countermeasures against infectious disease. This foundational technology pioneered by DARPA under the Autonomous Diagnostics to Enable Prevention and Therapeutics (ADEPT) program provides the body with instructions on how to immediately begin producing protective antibodies against a given threat. Just two years into a four-year program, P3 has performers at AbCellera Biologics, AstraZeneca, Duke University, and Vanderbilt University, all of whom have been able to quickly pivot to rapidly identify antibodies for COVID-19 in less than 90-days. This process traditionally takes several years to complete.

So US military been financing how to do RNA vaccines for a few years now:

https://www.darpa.mil/program/pandemic-prevention-platform

319877 p02099003, replying to p02099003, 1, #1138 of 2095 🔗

I submitted the following FOI to my local nhs trust
Since 1st January 2020 until 26th November 2020 how many notifications under the Public Health (Control of Disease) Act 1984 and the Health Protection (Notification) Regulations 2010 have been submitted by UHL medical staff?

I have received the answer today, they cannot tell me as they don’t keep records. They referred me to PHE, where the NOIDS reports show in the hundreds for the whole of England and Wales.

319895 ▶▶ Jo Dominic, replying to p02099003, 1, #1139 of 2095 🔗

So in other words there aren’t aren’t any. The whole crisis is founded on misinformation or rather on
no information as ot is not collected. Key data which is crucial to the present is finger in the air calculation.

319903 ▶▶ Basics, replying to p02099003, 3, #1140 of 2095 🔗

Hopefully a helpful tip. It is often worth speaking with the organisation information officers before placing a FOI. Part of their job is to ensure FOI are submitted in the correct way, that is, they are public services who happen to be employed by the council/NHS etc. Speaking to them about the question you want to ask can guide the question to a more effective wording and also cut out rejections. If you go through all of that and still get a fob off you know there is rotten corruption at nhs/council/gov officer level.
I appreciate these days it is nigh on impossible to speak to anyone in public services.

319969 ▶▶ l835, replying to p02099003, 1, #1141 of 2095 🔗

The whole foi system is a joke, if they don’t want to tell you, they just don’t keep records….

319879 Basics, #1142 of 2095 🔗

Rishi dished out burgers for free in August.

In November he dished out £10,000 per house for insulation. How’s that recovery coming on? Nikla Fishlips didn’give Scottish homes £10,000 for a green recovery she gave nothing. Housing is a devolved issue.

Who’s going to ‘recover’ first.

319884 Charlie Blue, replying to Charlie Blue, 5, #1143 of 2095 🔗

Wow. They’ve drummed up a whole new mutation via South Africa. Anyone with the new strain will be “quarantined”. I shudder to think what that means.
(I’m watching the briefing in a fit of masochism)

319886 ▶▶ Ben, replying to Charlie Blue, 11, #1144 of 2095 🔗

I’ve been calling this fascism for a while. It quite clearly is

319887 ▶▶ Silke David, replying to Charlie Blue, 4, #1145 of 2095 🔗

Anyone who has returned from SA in the last 14 days told to isolate.

 If they arrived 10-14 days ago, would they not have shown symptoms by now??

319890 Silke David, replying to Silke David, 7, #1146 of 2095 🔗

Good news! We are vaccinating Chealsea Pensioners.

Could I care any less???

319892 ▶▶ Ben, replying to Silke David, 2, #1147 of 2095 🔗

Who’s ‘we’ and do they consent?

319902 ▶▶▶ Silke David, replying to Ben, #1148 of 2095 🔗

We – Wancock

319891 p02099003, replying to p02099003, 1, #1149 of 2095 🔗

More of the east and south east of England will enter the toughest Tier 4 restrictions on Boxing Day, Health Secretary Matt Hancock has announced. (BBC)

319912 ▶▶ godowneasy, replying to p02099003, #1150 of 2095 🔗

Breaking news – 15th January 2021 – Tier 6 is NOT enough says Hancock as mutant #15 is announced and ready to run.

319947 ▶▶▶ PoshPanic, replying to godowneasy, 2, #1151 of 2095 🔗

Tiers will be introduced by the hour at this rate!

319897 DocRC, 3, #1152 of 2095 🔗

Happy Christmas from Handjob who just announced tier 4 for more of the South-East from Boxing day. More tier 3s and Cornwall and Herefordshire up to 2.

319898 p02099003, replying to p02099003, 1, #1153 of 2095 🔗

From 00:01 on Boxing Day, Sussex, Oxfordshire, Suffolk, Norfolk and Cambridgeshire, those parts in Essex not already in tier four, Waverley in Surrey, and Hampshire – including Portsmouth and Southampton but with the exception of the New Forest – will be escalated to tier four.
Bristol, Gloucestershire, Somerset (including the North Somerset area), Swindon, the Isle of Wight, the New Forest and Northamptonshire, as well as Cheshire and Warrington, will be escalated to tier three.
Cornwall and Herefordshire will be escalated to tier two.

320008 ▶▶ Andrew K, replying to p02099003, 9, #1154 of 2095 🔗

I’ve just come back from the near future, this is the headline:

From 00:01 on Easter Sunday all areas under Tier 6 will move to complete lockdown with ALL shops closed. Food parcels will be distributed once every week by the military but only to those that have been vaccinated. Anybody not exempt from leaving their home will face an instant £1000 fine or 1 year imprisonment. Anybody who refuses to comply will be shoot dead. Those already not vaccinated have a further 3 weeks to do so, failure to comply will result in you being taken to an isolation centre where not only will you be given the vaccine but you will also be fined £3000.

In order to better control the virus all persons will have their finger prints and DNA taken this will help with track and trace.

In other news: The learning of Mandarin will to be compulsory for all.

319899 Silke David, replying to Silke David, 7, #1155 of 2095 🔗

khl, I am so sorry.

And of course all the other people who will suffer after this announcement.
I will be now in Tier 4 after tier 2. and I am so sorry for my neighbours, who have a chain of 5 pubs, and will be unlikely to sustain them. They just finished installing a new roof and heating lamps today.

319908 ▶▶ kh1485, replying to Silke David, 27, #1156 of 2095 🔗

Thank you. I don’t know how much more of this shit I can take. People round here are completely oblivious as to what is being done to them. I hate them for their collaboration in this fraud, I absolutely hate them.

320017 ▶▶▶ Day 276 of lockdown, replying to kh1485, 7, #1157 of 2095 🔗

With you KH. Now also I. Tier 4 from 2 and assuming all international travel banned so another wave of cancellations, repaid earnings and no sales. Council say I can sell holidays for further ahead so no grant. Going to get thoroughly shitfaced tonight and get the air rifle out to shoot targets with certain faces on them.

320042 ▶▶▶▶ Silke David, replying to Day 276 of lockdown, 2, #1158 of 2095 🔗

I upticked you for the shooting part.
So sorry for the other part.

319904 A. Contrarian, replying to A. Contrarian, 18, #1159 of 2095 🔗

From change.org

This Christmas, thousands of NHS staff will be working on the frontline. Some of them are having to pay for parking at the hospital they work at. Petition starter Daren is calling on the Government to support NHS staff by abolishing car parking fees for them across the UK. So far hundreds of thousands of people have signed his petition – will you support frontline workers this Christmas by signing?

Several points to make here.

  1. NHS staff work every Christmas, as far as I’m aware, and have managed to pay for their own parking up to now.
  2. Lots of other people work at Christmas too, and are not subject to such ridiculous hero worship.
  3. They have guaranteed jobs and income, unlike millions of other people, so why do they need extra help?
  4. NO I BL**DY WELL WON’T!!
319921 ▶▶ p02099003, replying to A. Contrarian, 1, #1160 of 2095 🔗

We had a parking permit that we paid for, this was for the local NCP car park, at Leicester Royal Infirmary, if we needed to go to the other sites we had to pay and display if it wasn’t a regular occurrence.

320104 ▶▶ iansn, replying to A. Contrarian, 1, #1161 of 2095 🔗

because they are worth it. . We need to keep them happy so they can tiktok and youtube. The other popular one is why should the pay professional registration fees, like lots of other professionally people, let the tax payer pay for that too for them. They should get everything for free yay. Please Dominoes feed them too they need it, desperately.

320121 ▶▶ thinkaboutit, replying to A. Contrarian, 9, #1162 of 2095 🔗

Have no sympathy, the NHS is not fit for purpose . My son was refused treatment at one hospital 2 weeks ago and another hospital gave him a food supplement to keep him going for a week. I’m not sure what was supposed to happen at the end of that week. Well yesterday he collapsed, malnourished, exhausted and dehydrated. We told them this would happen by Christmas if he was not treated. This could all have been avoided. So now he’s in over Christmas because people in two hospitals couldn’t do their job properly. And, icing on the cake, they’d given him an outpatients appointment in mid January. When clearly he’d be dead by then.

320905 ▶▶▶ DomW, replying to thinkaboutit, #1163 of 2095 🔗

So sorry to hear that. Sending my best wishes to you – I hope he’s back home with you soon

320208 ▶▶ Templeton, replying to A. Contrarian, 2, #1164 of 2095 🔗

stop outsourcing the car parks for profit?

319911 p02099003, replying to p02099003, 2, #1165 of 2095 🔗

Hancock now says there are two cases of another new variant in the UK.
Both are contacts of cases who have travelled from South Africa.
“We are incredibly grateful to the South African government for their science,” he says.
“This virus is yet more transmissible and appears to have mutated further than the new virus.”
He says the UK is quarantining new cases, and placing restrictions on travel from South Africa.
Anyone who has been in South Africa in the past fortnight and anyone who is a close contact of someone who has been in South Africa in the last fortnight must quarantine immediately, he says.

319926 ▶▶ nottingham69, replying to p02099003, 10, #1166 of 2095 🔗

Interesting on the BBC this morning the correspondent in South Africa said this strain was much less deadly than the original and the SA government had no plan to go back to the harsh shutdown of March.

319935 ▶▶ Crystal Decanter, replying to p02099003, 1, #1167 of 2095 🔗

Yes there are at least 4 Corona colds (that they know of)
Probably more “mystery” Coronas as well

319943 ▶▶▶ PoshPanic, replying to Crystal Decanter, 1, #1168 of 2095 🔗

Batman flu, works in mysterious ways

319939 ▶▶ Janette, replying to p02099003, 3, #1169 of 2095 🔗

What absolute garbage!

320094 ▶▶ Stringfellow Hawke, replying to p02099003, 1, #1170 of 2095 🔗

I’m old enough to remember the days when border controls were all xenophobic & racist…! 🙂

319913 stevie, replying to stevie, 1, #1171 of 2095 🔗

More areas enter Tier 2 Hancock said Cornwall and Herefordshire will go into Tier 2. from 00.01 on Boxing Day.
More areas of England enter Tier 3 Bristol, Gloucestershire, Somerset, Swindon, Isle of Wight, New Forest, Northamptonshire, Cheshire and Warrington will go into Tier 3, Hancock announced.
More areas will enter Tier 4 from Boxing Day Hancock has announced Essex, Norfolk, Sussex, Surrey, Oxfordshire and Hampshire will enter Tier 4 restrictions from Boxing Day.

319927 ▶▶ PoshPanic, replying to stevie, 1, #1172 of 2095 🔗

Well, well Essex and Norfolk, but not Suffolk that’s bang in the middle of the two counties…who’ll be spending Christmas in Suffolk?

319940 ▶▶▶ Silke David, replying to PoshPanic, 1, #1173 of 2095 🔗

Suffolk as well

319917 Awkward Git, replying to Awkward Git, 4, #1174 of 2095 🔗

Found this dating back to march 2020, a testimony from a RAND Corporation to the US House of Representatives on the impact Coronavirus might have on smalls and medium size businesses in China and the supply chain:

https://www.rand.org/content/dam/rand/pubs/testimonies/CT500/CT524/RAND_CT524.pdf

A good quote is:

The most recent data show that COVID-19 is likely to be more contagious but less likely to cause severe clinical symptoms and deaths than SARS and MERS.

Recommendations:

  1. Social distancing-based public health interventions, such as mass quarantines, extensive travel bans, and transportation system disruption, can shock the economy and shrink the market demand in the service sectors that are critical for many SMEs that rely on visits by regular customers. When considering using these interventions, the cost on SMEs should be considered.

One thing that was certainly NOT done and still hasn’t been done properly, that document our idiots put together recently was a complete joke.

An this:

  1. Risk communication and coordination are important: Both the public and the health care sector will need well-planned, persistent, and targeted risk communication to help prevent the hysteria associated with an acute outbreak.

Our lot pumping up the fear and hysteria.

320021 ▶▶ ColoradoGirl, replying to Awkward Git, #1175 of 2095 🔗

Couldn’t be more 1984!

319923 DThom, replying to DThom, 7, #1176 of 2095 🔗

The cock is acting like some power crazed villain from a bond film.

319990 ▶▶ Steve Martindale, replying to DThom, 6, #1177 of 2095 🔗

I was thinking more of Michael Corleone, this whole thing is looking more like a Godfather, Mafia protection racket. We are all suffering and paying for protection against a disease which is of little concern for most people, if we do not buy into the protection scheme we will be hit by enormous legally dodgy fixed penalty notices and just to make sure we know they mean business they will destroy our jobs and our pubs with a threat of worse to come unless we conform.

319931 p02099003, replying to p02099003, 3, #1178 of 2095 🔗

Now for the emetic:
”Hancock now delivers a series of thank yous including to those who work in the NHS and scientists helping to deliver the vaccine.
“I know how hard 2020 has been for everybody,” he says.
“We mustn’t give up now,” he says adding “we must suppress the virus until a vaccine can make us safe.”
“There are brighter skies ahead.””

320103 ▶▶ Janette, replying to p02099003, 4, #1179 of 2095 🔗

Really. They are able to just make up virus’s to keep us locked down. We need to stay strong and fight back.

319933 FenTyger, replying to FenTyger, 4, #1180 of 2095 🔗

Thought I was making (slow) progress with some friends then this arrived:-
“Wonder how safe our deliveries really are. According to most experts the risk so far has been very low. Lets hope it stays that way with new variant, if not there’s a lot more trouble and cleaning on the way”

319954 ▶▶ Sceptic in Oxford, replying to FenTyger, 11, #1181 of 2095 🔗

I’ve come to the conclusion that the pro-lockdown brigade will only change their mind when they are directly and severely effected i.e. not just the inconvenience of wearing a mask and their kids being home more, but seriously impacted i.e. they or a loved one: needs cancer treatment or dies from something treatable, they lose their job and can’t get another, they can’t pay the mortgage etc.

It’s inconvenient that their kids are at home more and for many people no longer having to commute is actually a blessing. It’s only when they really feel the impact on them and their livelihoods and/or health that this will change.

And Sunak has kicked that into the long grass with furlough extended til April.

319984 ▶▶▶ Andrew K, replying to Sceptic in Oxford, 8, #1182 of 2095 🔗

Yep the effects of unemployment has yet to be felt by many. Suddenly when car sales drop, or people no longer buying insurance or choosing food over internet. Then all these people working from home thinking they are safe may well find they’re out of a job. No doubt they will blame the non facemask wearers and unemployed beach goers for their fate.

320378 ▶▶▶▶ charleyfarley, replying to Andrew K, 1, #1183 of 2095 🔗

I am also wondering if falling tax revenues will cause a change of direction within government at the end of January, or gain some traction in the media, when company and self-employed tax payments are due.

I will be writing a letter to HMRC claiming damages for the destruction of my business when I get my tax demand. Won’t get me anywhere but will set the scene for the conversation to follow about actual payment. £5 a week perhaps.

319934 Pebbles, 5, #1184 of 2095 🔗

https://dailyexpose.co.uk/2020/12/22/who-changes-definition-of-herd-immunity/

Here it is again for those who missed it – a blow against The Great Barrington Declaration and all believers in natural immunity.

From this day forward only vaccination can save us…

They are memory holing our history.

And @ John P – pure coincidence such a thing on the eve of the European vaccine approval ya…?

319937 Silke David, replying to Silke David, 9, #1185 of 2095 🔗

I have a new person for the list
Journalist at 15.32 missed to read her name

Have you missed putting more people into more severe restrictions? Should you have acted earlier?

For f sake, they increased tiers 3!! times in 7 days. What else do you want?

319953 ▶▶ davews, replying to Silke David, 4, #1186 of 2095 🔗

Just turned on Talk Radio hoping for the half hour news and heard that. It took me five minutes to work out that they had gone over to yet another press announcement – I am programmed not to recognise Hancock’s voice but realised it wasn’t Mark Dolan etc. Press conferences and new changes at the drop of a hat, more frequent than the buses, this one had not even been rumoured at midday. Oh well, no sneaking down to Yateley to get out of tier 4…

320188 ▶▶ Silke David, replying to Silke David, #1187 of 2095 🔗

Update: she’s from the BBC.
Of course!!

319938 p02099003, #1188 of 2095 🔗

While the number of cases attributable to the old variant is holding steady or tailing off in some areas, Dr Harries says there has been a very sharp rise in cases of the new variant.
This is translating into rising pressures on hospitals, she says.
The number of hospital beds currently occupied by Covid patients across England is nearing April’s peak of about 21,000, Dr Harries says, including in London.

319941 Tenchy, replying to Tenchy, 15, #1189 of 2095 🔗

Wancock: “”This Christmas, and the start of 2021 is going to be tough new variant makes everything a lot harder, because it spreads, so much faster. ”

Is this just pure bullshit or is there any hard evidence to support his claim?

319946 ▶▶ Tyneside Tigress, replying to Tenchy, 13, #1190 of 2095 🔗

Pure bullshit, no evidence. More testing, especially of children ahead of Christmas, equals more ‘cases’. Meanwhile deaths peaked on 18 November and have been trending down, and numbers on mechanical ventilation beds is pretty stable.

320166 ▶▶▶ iansn, replying to Tyneside Tigress, 1, #1191 of 2095 🔗

thats beds, they may or may not be connected to anything, they may just be in the covid zone, so anyone ‘with’ covid could be in there

319949 ▶▶ Jo Dominic, replying to Tenchy, 10, #1192 of 2095 🔗

It’s BS of course because WHO Said they had been tracking this since Septembet and there was no evidence that it transmitted any faster than the one now and they were not concerned about it. Lying once again.

319951 ▶▶ Charlie Blue, replying to Tenchy, 4, #1193 of 2095 🔗

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/covid-19-variant-south-africa-spread/

Just found this.
“South Africa’s health minister, Zweli Mkhize, said that the new variant there appeared to be linked to higher rates of severe illness in younger people, and that scientists are working to learn more about it.”

320016 ▶▶▶ jb12, replying to Charlie Blue, -1, #1194 of 2095 🔗

Jointly incompetent.

320060 ▶▶▶▶ Charlie Blue, replying to jb12, 1, #1195 of 2095 🔗

Jointly opportunistic and shamelessly manipulative and dishonest.

320091 ▶▶ Janette, replying to Tenchy, 1, #1196 of 2095 🔗

There is no evidence

319944 chaos, replying to chaos, 10, #1197 of 2095 🔗

I watched a documentary the other week about an Australian man who lost all his limbs to sepsis. His bravery was quite something. I would imagine he now feels especially grateful he didn’t get covid. He might have got a cough or no symptoms.

319960 ▶▶ John Galt, replying to chaos, 4, #1198 of 2095 🔗

Everything really feels even more insane when you compare it to brave people from the past. Have you ever read about Alistair Urquhart?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alistair_Urquhart

319985 ▶▶▶ chaos, replying to John Galt, 5, #1199 of 2095 🔗

Wow. All I can say is thank goodness he didn’t get covid.

319945 Silke David, replying to Silke David, 6, #1200 of 2095 🔗

Good news!
At the beginning of the press conference 1 in 3 had corona without knowing and spreading it, he just said 1 in 4!

319950 ▶▶ Tenchy, replying to Silke David, 4, #1201 of 2095 🔗

Fantastic! It will have disappeared by this time tomorrow.

320477 ▶▶▶ SweetBabyCheeses, replying to Tenchy, #1202 of 2095 🔗

Must be exponential!

319966 ▶▶ TheOriginalBlackPudding, replying to Silke David, 7, #1203 of 2095 🔗

1 in 3, 1 in 4, 1 in 66,000,000 – what does it matter? Objective facts (what we used to call reality before it was “shared”) count for nothing in the post-truth world.

319952 Tenchy, replying to Tenchy, 2, #1204 of 2095 🔗

Am hearing a Brexit deal’s been done. Anyone else picked up anything?

319977 ▶▶ crimsonpirate, replying to Tenchy, 3, #1205 of 2095 🔗

Sort of, but in such a way that Parliament may not need to be recalled yet

319981 ▶▶ chaos, replying to Tenchy, 17, #1206 of 2095 🔗

If I had known brexit would lead to Boris and North Korea I would have voted remain.

319955 thedarkhorse, replying to thedarkhorse, 20, #1207 of 2095 🔗

Cnuts on msm calling for Christmas Day ban. God help us, just what DO these people want? Balls and chains on the people plus welded doors and windows?

319970 ▶▶ Silke David, replying to thedarkhorse, 5, #1208 of 2095 🔗

I am wondering that too

320247 ▶▶ Edward, replying to thedarkhorse, 4, #1209 of 2095 🔗

As I said the other day, and unfortunately this isn’t a joke: ultimately they’ll call for extermination of the non-compliant whom they believe are causing all the problems, in order to “save” everyone else.

319956 Sir Roderick Spode, 3, #1210 of 2095 🔗

In keeping with the spirit of the times I can recommend ‘ Who took the Merry Out of Christmas ‘ by the Staple Singers.
Retailers of the Year- Daunt Books who having rigged up a system so you can purchase a book from outside as they have the door open and a table barring entry asked me why wasn’t wearing a mask – I replied that as I could read I knew it was pointless.
Prediction for next year- Ferguson, Witless and Unbalanced are promoted as celebrities by BBC and appear on ‘Strictly come Dancing ‘- voting rigged to ensure one of them wins.

319957 DRW, replying to DRW, 30, #1211 of 2095 🔗

Can these cunts just leave us alone for ONE fucking day?

319961 ▶▶ Sceptic in Oxford, replying to DRW, 12, #1212 of 2095 🔗

No. Because they “care” so much, y’see.

320029 ▶▶ Liam, replying to DRW, 3, #1213 of 2095 🔗

Apparently not. Bastards.

320255 ▶▶ Tom in Scotland, replying to DRW, 2, #1214 of 2095 🔗

No, they have to perpetuate the fear factor.

319963 kh1485, replying to kh1485, 56, #1215 of 2095 🔗

Haven’t been on for a while due to the nastiness I was subjected to on Sunday for merely having a different opinion to someone else. Added to that, some gobshite in Tesco trying to gag me with a mask and now twatty Handcock subjecting us to Tier bloody four on Boxing Day.

I have a question, does anyone know what became of those people who defied the rules and kept their businesses open? I am beyond angry now and I am living (existing) at the very edge of my wits. And no-one, save for you guys gives a shit.

319968 ▶▶ Victoria, replying to kh1485, 22, #1216 of 2095 🔗

Stay strong. Don’t give up. You are a role model for most of us

319978 ▶▶ Steph, replying to kh1485, 15, #1217 of 2095 🔗

K. I too stayed away for a while after being called a liar and a shill. I won’t post anything now about what’s happening in my family or what my personal beliefs are because I don’t want to provoke that level of nastiness again.
Here in Priti Central we went into Tier 4 straight away last Saturday.
Your posts have always been interesting and the voice of reason from a small business owner. I’m truly sorry that tier 4 has now reached you also.
I don’t know what the consequences could be if you stayed open. I would guess there would be safety in numbers but from what you have been saying before I think you are surrounded by bed wetters and collaborators?

319995 ▶▶▶ kh1485, replying to Steph, 13, #1218 of 2095 🔗

Thanks Steph. I didn’t realise you’d been subjected to it also. I’ve had it a few times – completely non-sensical and aggressive comments and, right now, I find that hard to deal with. Should realise they have an MO to stop any kind of conversation between like-minded people. Thanks also CB and Annie for your comments, it really does make a difference – thanks kh.

320079 ▶▶▶▶ calchas, replying to kh1485, 12, #1219 of 2095 🔗

Steph, kh1485,

don’t let yourselves be intimidated by anything said by anyone here.

I – and I am sure most here – look forward to your contributions.

320187 ▶▶▶▶ Cedric the dragon, replying to kh1485, 2, #1220 of 2095 🔗

Nil carborundum illegitimum! Don’t let the b**tards grind you down! I admire your stand for common sense enormously.

319980 ▶▶ Charlie Blue, replying to kh1485, 11, #1221 of 2095 🔗

So sorry, kh. I am back to having no idea if my business will survive – I know so many others have already succumbed and I am lucky to have been able to trade over the last 4 months. I am fighting against the feeling of being crushed under it all. I too have wondered what happened to the brave souls who defied closure, but have no idea how to find out.

We definitely do give a shit and I wish I could offer you something more than the promise of ongoing solidarity! Your posts have always been a tremendous source of strength and inspiration for me.

319982 ▶▶ annie, replying to kh1485, 12, #1222 of 2095 🔗

kh, you are so unlucky to be e posed to so many nasty people. Thet aren’t all like that, really they’re not. I recommend dog walkers, joggers and similar folk for a higher sanity ratio.
As fir the nasty knicker brigade, some of us keep a copy of the laworfiction advice on the anti-discrimination laws and flourish it in their faces. I’ve never actually had to use it. I know some people have and it’s worked.
Businesses in Wales have been brutal,y fined. I don’t know if they pay up. Why businesses don’t get together to oppose this tyranny simply escapes me. Us LSs would queue up to fund them, you may be sure.
Don’t let it get you down. We are here. We will get through it.

320004 ▶▶ Crystal Decanter, replying to kh1485, 6, #1223 of 2095 🔗

Quinn Blakey hairdressers still posts on Instagran
Looks like she’s still open
a tad conspiratorial in some of her posts but she is standing up to the Coronatarians

320012 ▶▶ Ben, replying to kh1485, 8, #1224 of 2095 🔗

Sorry to hear about your suffering. I can relate

There are some Twitter accounts that might help:

Simon Dolan (Keep Britain Free)
Francis Hoar (legal)
Law or Fiction (legal but not user friendly)
Leah Butler-Smith (some legal connections)

I would just say to customers that if your business is closed down it won’t be because the virus closed it down, it will be because politicians closed it down

I hope things improve

320030 ▶▶ Dame Lynet, replying to kh1485, 9, #1225 of 2095 🔗

A few of us have had this in the last week, seems to have taken somewhat of a downturn here.

I enjoy your posts from the frontline and your defiance, but the crap does get to you. I am up and down all the time and it’s very wearying.

There are people who understand and sympathise, please keep posting for us 🙂

320031 ▶▶ TheOriginalBlackPudding, replying to kh1485, 7, #1226 of 2095 🔗

Firstly, kh, let me say I’m glad you’re back and are managing to put Sunday behind you.
I wish I could offer something more than moral support. What about KBF and its forums or the forums here? Is there any advice and support available there?
Keep fighting in your own way and stay strong. The world needs the good ones, now more than ever.

320039 ▶▶▶ kh1485, replying to TheOriginalBlackPudding, 3, #1227 of 2095 🔗

Thanks OBP and for your sticking up for me on Sunday. I felt sick to the stomach at the way we were both responded to.

320036 ▶▶ Liam, replying to kh1485, 8, #1228 of 2095 🔗

I’m sorry to hear you’re suffering. If it’s any comfort I find your dogged determination an inspiration, truly.

320115 ▶▶ HoMojo, replying to kh1485, 1, #1229 of 2095 🔗

Solidarity kh, nothing much else I can say.

320120 ▶▶ Paul, replying to kh1485, 5, #1230 of 2095 🔗

I didn’t follow most of the posts on Sunday so I didn’t realise you had been abused by some arsehole on here and I’m sorry to hear about it Kh.Considering the FSU is often mentioned on here,freedom of speech appears to be slipping away.
Regarding businesses staying open,I suggested that in my area that all pubs etc should agree to open and support each other and also chip a few quid into a mutual fighting fund so any of them could draw on it to pay any fines,some agreed it might work but worried about ending up being the sacrificial lamb when others chickened out.
Despite our local media confidently crowing for days now that Lincolnshire would go into insanity level 4 because we are all bad people,it didn’t happen.In a twisted way I’d hoped it would,it might just have woken some of the idiots around here up,it’s all just part of the pantomime anyway,the whole of England will be in level 4,5,6 or wtf ever in a couple of weeks.

320207 ▶▶ this is my username, replying to kh1485, 1, #1231 of 2095 🔗

What kind of business do you have kh? I’m sorry if you’ve already said and I missed it – I’ve only recently joined. Would you consider the common law route? I’ve heard it has worked for some, with just a notice put up. It all depends what you have to lose – I absolutely agree that if every business refused to close there wouldn’t be much they could do about it. Also are you a member of the FSB? What’s their stance on all this?

320605 ▶▶▶ Silke David, replying to this is my username, #1232 of 2095 🔗

She runs a cafe.

320246 ▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to kh1485, 2, #1233 of 2095 🔗

Are you allowed to do takeaways? Sell other food items, such as bread? Anything that can be considered “essential” that you can run alongside the cafe business?

320269 ▶▶ Mr Dee, replying to kh1485, 3, #1234 of 2095 🔗

Shops allowed to stay open

  • Supermarkets
  • Boots
  • Newsagents
  • Co-op stores
  • Home Bargains
  • B&M
  • The Range
  • Wickes
  • B&Q
  • Screwfix
  • Post offices
  • Garden centres
  • Pet shops
  • Petrol stations
  • Bicycle shops
  • Car garages
  • Shops in hospitals

Can you re-designate yourself as a pet shop? With a sideline of comestibles for pet owners? (I’m not joking – this is what I’d look into if I was in your position).

320728 ▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to kh1485, #1235 of 2095 🔗

Very sorry to hear all this. I’m in HMP London, we’re in tier 4 and have not been at work since last week when we were put into Tier 3 initially.

The other day I posted here my dad’s offensive remark after Mr Bart & I thank my parents for their lovely Christmas gift. Rather odd for someone who always taught me to question everything.

Anyway, I’m done with them for the time being.

Stay strong. You’ve been an inspiration to me long may that continue.

KBO

321008 ▶▶ James007, replying to kh1485, #1236 of 2095 🔗

Sorry to hear about the nastiness. Many of us enjoy reading your posts and updates. You have been on the front line on a lot of battles. I’m T4. I thought cafes were opem for takeaway, which is not much consolation. I expect some people order less if they don’t have anywhere to sit and enjoy it.

At work yesterday, I was allowed to sit down in the seating area of the canteen and enjoy my lunch. I dont know why that was allowed, but simple pleasures. Then I felt silly for being grateful for being allowed to do it.
Odd experience sitting alone in a canteen with a hundred or so chairs.

Enjoy your posts. Hope you can keep the shop open. We would all give you lots of business if we could.

319965 chaos, 12, #1237 of 2095 🔗

Photographer Anthony Carbajal has advanced ALS (otherwise known as motor neurone disease or Lou Gherigs disease). During his illness he lost use of all his limbs and most of his body, and he lost his wife. Yet he maintained a positive outlook and continued to take wonderful pictures for as long as he could. Thank goodness I didn’t get that long covid he said. You can get a bit tired with that. Must be awful.

319973 Tom, 1, #1238 of 2095 🔗

How can they or anyone still rely on the FRAUD that is the RT -PCR TEST ? and the Vx is not our way out of this It should be avoided

319976 chaos, replying to chaos, 18, #1239 of 2095 🔗

Jesus was tortured, mocked, and beaten and Roman soldiers place a crown of thorns on his head. He likely was bleeding profusely before even being nailed to the cross. Forgive them father he said, not only do they not know what they have done. But it could be worse. Could have got covid. He said. Always look on the bright side of life he added.

320240 ▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to chaos, #1240 of 2095 🔗

Life’s a piece of shit, when you look at it.

319979 Silke David, replying to Silke David, 4, #1241 of 2095 🔗

Wancock keeps saying the vaccine goes into people’s arms.
So it does not work if they stick the needle into another body part?

320005 ▶▶ chaos, replying to Silke David, 28, #1242 of 2095 🔗

I was talking to god earlier. He wish he had thought of this vaccination thing. 4.5 billion years old our planet. Life has existed on it for about 3.5 billion years. Modern humans for about 200,000 years. Some 7 billion people on the planet. Africa’s population has trebled since LiveAid. The first vaccine was developed 220 years ago. God feels he really dropped a ball. He just came up with this amazing immune system when all he really needed to do was create Bill and Melinda Gates.

I said.. cheer up God. Your amazing engineering has cured us creatures of lots of plagues. Don’t get me started he said. I wasted all that time punishing the pharoe with frogs and locusts and boils. I could just have given them covid. No symptoms or a cough would have shown ’em. Released those Israelites he said. Oooooo ooo the Israelites I said.

He was inconsolable. Wasn’t the right time to ask for a lottery win.

320018 ▶▶▶ Silke David, replying to chaos, 4, #1243 of 2095 🔗

Love it!!

320234 ▶▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to chaos, #1244 of 2095 🔗

Be careful, God has an impish sense of humour. You’re likely to get the numbers for a draw a century from now.

319987 Tenchy, 3, #1245 of 2095 🔗
319988 Mrs issedoff, 10, #1246 of 2095 🔗

They will only be happy when millions commit suicide out of complete despair, and those remaining start dying off from untreated cancer, heart disease, stroke etc. It is fairly obvious that too many people were getting complacent and starting to question the narrative, then wham, another new strain comes out of the ether. Evil bastards.

319997 Poppy, replying to Poppy, 36, #1247 of 2095 🔗

‘New strain’ from South Africa now. These twats just can’t leave us alone. They are really scraping the barrel now. They are realising that the fear wears off after a few weeks and they need to keep coming up with new shit to keep people frightened and compliant. Hence ‘mutant’ – scary word coming from government’s rotten nudge unit, of course.

320014 ▶▶ Jo Dominic, replying to Poppy, 5, #1248 of 2095 🔗

Gosh amazing virus travels across hemispheres!

320084 ▶▶▶ Bugle, replying to Jo Dominic, 13, #1249 of 2095 🔗

New supersonic, nuclear-powered, double-envenomed, GPS guided virus with twice the number of knobbly bits making its way from Covid central in Gauteng province. But don’t worry – the same vaccine will fix it.

320170 ▶▶▶▶ TheBluePill, replying to Bugle, 5, #1250 of 2095 🔗

I do wonder if it has learnt about quantum entanglement and is teleporting past the face masks. Maybe facemasks made from heavy metals will save us.

320418 ▶▶▶▶▶ Bugle, replying to TheBluePill, #1251 of 2095 🔗

I’m sure Matt has anticipated these possibilities.

320038 ▶▶ Richard O, replying to Poppy, 20, #1252 of 2095 🔗

This is all about creating demand for the vaccine. The plan is to vaccinate millions per week from January with the Oxford AstraZeneca vaccine, which is going to be approved by the MHRA next week. It’s not an mRNA type, so there are no supply chain limitations as with the Pfizer one.

I can foresee the case numbers being deliberately reduced during this critical vaccine rollout phase to give the impression that it is working. Perhaps by a reduction in PCR test cycles or extensively using the LFT instead.

Then, once enough people have had at least one shot, and can be assimilated into the immunity passport programme, the door will be slammed shut for good. Those who refuse will be excluded from society in perpetuity.

320055 ▶▶▶ mikewaite, replying to Richard O, 15, #1253 of 2095 🔗

To be excluded from the sort of society I see around me now, and from that which is urged upon us from every BBC programme . is probably less of a threat than some might imagine.

320107 ▶▶▶▶ Richard O, replying to mikewaite, 8, #1254 of 2095 🔗

I could not agree more. I will lose my job over this, and be unemployable thereafter, but am unconcerned. This world can go to hell, I want no part of it.

320229 ▶▶▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to mikewaite, 7, #1255 of 2095 🔗

Set up our own alternative society.

320090 ▶▶▶ Bugle, replying to Richard O, 7, #1256 of 2095 🔗

Which is one reason to resist those here and elsewhere who want to censor the international conspiracy theory. Where this is headed is more important than what it is.

320133 ▶▶▶▶ Richard O, replying to Bugle, 12, #1257 of 2095 🔗

When Johnson said we will be living in a “very different world” by Easter I take this very seriously indeed. How I would love to be proven wrong, but I’m afraid the catastrophic descent of our society in 2020 has made me more cynical than ever.

I have no problem with being criticised for being a conspiracy theorist. The burden of proof is on my side, always. I have remained courteous in all my exchanges on here regardless of what has been said. Also, I can understand why these conversations have occasionally degenerated into vitriolic attacks. People are losing it, we are all under a great deal of psychological pressure and need to let off steam somehow.

320226 ▶▶▶▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to Richard O, 2, #1258 of 2095 🔗

Cynicism and scepticism are two different things. I’d like to see your theory proven wrong too – for the same reasons I expect you hope for also, this isn’t a personal attack – but I do question its strategic aim. This is the major problem I have with the “internationalist” conspiracy. It makes no strategic sense.

320216 ▶▶▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to Bugle, 3, #1259 of 2095 🔗

You don’t need to accept any conspiracy theory to refuse the vaccine.

320407 ▶▶▶▶▶ Bugle, replying to Nick Rose, #1260 of 2095 🔗

No, but. If we’re dealing with mere incompetence, things will eventually return to normal. If we’re dealing with an agenda, things may never return to normal.

As I’ve said before, if the public realised they were being done a deliberate injury, they would rebel. The propaganda agencies are vigorously suppressing any such idea. Why? Given that the Reset, UBI, CCCP-style social credit, censorship and voter fraud have been ‘around’ for a while now, there are strong reasons to suspect a conspiracy.

What you say is true: I will refuse the vaccine on a number of grounds which do not involve a conspiracy. 1. The use of foetal cell line material. 2. Opposition to animal experiments. 3. Possible adverse reaction and 4. Little probable difference – in terms of symptoms and immunity – between accepting the vaccine or contracting the disease.

I will also refuse it for ‘conspiracy’ reasons. Gates has a bad reputation in Africa and India. I am suspicious of big Pharma. The Pfizer vaccine amounts to genetic engineering. It contains nano-particles. It may be linked to a digital ID system, which may be linked to accessing finance and society.

You are free to disagree of course. But I am also free to express my opinion.

320152 ▶▶▶ Ben, replying to Richard O, 3, #1261 of 2095 🔗

WHY are they so desperate to vaccinate us?

320158 ▶▶▶▶ Richard O, replying to Ben, 4, #1262 of 2095 🔗

At the most basic level, for profit and power. One can hardly argue that these are unusual motivations.

320219 ▶▶▶▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to Richard O, 1, #1263 of 2095 🔗

Granted, but excluding a significant number of potential customers makes your “slamming the door shut” theory implausible.

320048 ▶▶ Liz F, replying to Poppy, 9, #1264 of 2095 🔗

The more bollocks like this that the government comes out with, the less people will listen as it all sounds too ridiculous. I hear the monster raving loony virus is heading for Westminster.

320071 ▶▶ Janette, replying to Poppy, #1265 of 2095 🔗

Totally agree!

320721 ▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to Poppy, #1266 of 2095 🔗

That was quick – now we have the Teenage Mutant Ninja Virus Part 2.

319999 JamesDrebin, replying to JamesDrebin, 17, #1267 of 2095 🔗

“Don’t give in to the temptation?” To do what? Repeatedly punch you it throat?

Sorry Mr Footvagina, that’s something I can’t promise.

I’d only be doing it with a very heavy heart, though, if that helps?

320003 ▶▶ George L, replying to JamesDrebin, 7, #1268 of 2095 🔗

Jeez.. he’s an ugly bastard ain’t he!

320057 ▶▶▶ Bugle, replying to George L, 6, #1269 of 2095 🔗

Not all there, is he?

320061 ▶▶ Liz F, replying to JamesDrebin, 4, #1270 of 2095 🔗

Looks a bit like a potato. Should he be roasted, fried or mashed?

320067 ▶▶▶ JamesDrebin, replying to Liz F, 4, #1271 of 2095 🔗

Stabbed repeatedly with a fork until well and truly done?

320197 ▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to JamesDrebin, 3, #1272 of 2095 🔗

I’d rather use a more practical implement than a heavy heart.

320002 ikaraki, replying to ikaraki, 2, #1273 of 2095 🔗

Not sure if it has been mentioned but xmas no 1 for 2020?

320007 ▶▶ ikaraki, replying to ikaraki, 2, #1274 of 2095 🔗

Sausage roll version available for the children..

320006 NorthumbrianNomad, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, 32, #1275 of 2095 🔗

My father used to say, “whatever you do, don’t get into the system” – meaning the NHS system of tests and treatment – “because you’ll never get out”.

The whole country has got into the system.

320037 ▶▶ richard riewer, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, 5, #1276 of 2095 🔗

Public Health writ large.

320054 ▶▶▶ Liam, replying to richard riewer, 3, #1277 of 2095 🔗

It’s a monstrous, pitiless, cult.

320009 PatrickF, replying to PatrickF, 23, #1278 of 2095 🔗

Wtf! The South African mutant Ninja virus?
Enough, already.
What’s next? The croissant virus from France?
The didgerdoo virus from Australia?

320190 ▶▶ Templeton, replying to PatrickF, 2, #1279 of 2095 🔗

How many times did he say “South Africa”?
What the fuck.

320010 Achilles, replying to Achilles, 32, #1280 of 2095 🔗

Why don’t they just put everyone in tier 4? Two reasons. Firstly something akin to a national lockdown will bring more pressure for a parliamentary vote and secondly having a complex and dynamic regional system helps give the impression they are in control and using sophisticated science beyond the capabilities of the proles to understand. It’s all show.

320020 ▶▶ A. Contrarian, replying to Achilles, 8, #1281 of 2095 🔗

But a parliamentary vote would go through easily since Starmer always backs restrictions and the majority of conservative MPs will also feel they have to back it because of the terrible new mutant strain.

320149 ▶▶▶ Ovis, replying to A. Contrarian, #1282 of 2095 🔗

Yes, but the longer a vote can be delayed, the longer proles like us will focus on demanding one.

320157 ▶▶ stevie, replying to Achilles, 1, #1283 of 2095 🔗

Also divide and rule. If you are good you may be given more privileges (move down a tier foe awhile)

320168 ▶▶ Fiona Walker, replying to Achilles, #1284 of 2095 🔗

And we can’t afford it. We just can’t.

320013 Ricky R, replying to Ricky R, 9, #1285 of 2095 🔗

Tier 4 for me which means my job is fooked. Someone step on my head with football boots.

320062 ▶▶ Janette, replying to Ricky R, 5, #1286 of 2095 🔗

Please don’t give up. Don’t let them destroy your spirit Ricky

320101 ▶▶ Charlie Blue, replying to Ricky R, 2, #1287 of 2095 🔗

Hang in there, Ricky. Lots of us feeling the same. Will save the stepping on heads for those deserving of it, if you don’t mind. Don’t have any football boots, but high heels might do the job.

320015 Crystal Decanter, replying to Crystal Decanter, 19, #1288 of 2095 🔗

Katie Hopkins going both barrels on Instagram and Parler
I’ll take allies from all sides at this point

320761 ▶▶▶ Borisbullshit, replying to Mabel Cow, #1290 of 2095 🔗

Its funny she worshipped Johnson for a long time…..good to see she now sees him for the shit that he is. Doesn’t say too much for her judgment though…its been clear for years he was a lying shit.

320023 JamesDrebin, replying to JamesDrebin, 12, #1291 of 2095 🔗

Hancock: We will be back to normal before 2022

The last question comes from Arj Singh from HuffPost. He asks if, given the highly-transmissible new variant, the government is guilty of overpromising by suggesting the UK can return to normality by Easter.

Hancock replies that he is “highly confident we will get things back to normal before 2022” adding that the speed of the vaccine roll-out is accelerating.

And that is the final question. Hancock wishes everyone a happy Christmas before leaving the lectern.”

Is it too much to hope that by “2022”, he meant, “about half past eight tonight”?

320034 ▶▶ richard riewer, replying to JamesDrebin, 7, #1292 of 2095 🔗

Whose normal? Following what criteria? His? Buzz off Matt!

320059 ▶▶▶ JamesDrebin, replying to richard riewer, 8, #1293 of 2095 🔗

By “normal” he means a glorious new normal where you are tracked, injected, tested, isolated, masked and somehow still at risk from Covid 234* even in your Tier 27,458 bedroom.

I for one welcome our new AI controlled pharma-fascist eco-poverty powered technocracy.

*= Covid 234 is a deadly new strain variant virus bad guy who is 3cm shorter than Covid 233 but speaks with a Zimbabwean accent. Please trust the science.

320177 ▶▶▶▶ Richard O, replying to JamesDrebin, 4, #1294 of 2095 🔗

AI controlled pharma-fascist eco-poverty powered technocracy

Wonderful stuff, you’ve condensed it all into a short phrase. Nothing more needs to be said really.

320566 ▶▶▶▶ DomW, replying to JamesDrebin, 1, #1295 of 2095 🔗

Ready Player One ?

320070 ▶▶ Silke David, replying to JamesDrebin, 2, #1296 of 2095 🔗

Oh, I wish.

320182 ▶▶ this is my username, replying to JamesDrebin, 3, #1297 of 2095 🔗

They always move the goal posts and always will. We have to end this for them by not complying en masse. Otherwise the projected recovery of the economy will be the next thing they’ll have to admit they “overpromised” on, and people will be in bread lines.

320024 Cecil B, 7, #1298 of 2095 🔗

Press conferences by the criminally insane for the criminally insane

320026 p02099003, replying to p02099003, 7, #1299 of 2095 🔗

New target before 2022.

The last question comes from Arj Singh from HuffPost. He asks if, given the highly-transmissible new variant, the government is guilty of overpromising by suggesting the UK can return to normality by Easter.
Hancock replies that he is “highly confident we will get things back to normal before 2022” adding that the speed of the vaccine roll-out is accelerating.
And that is the final question. Hancock wishes everyone a happy Christmas before leaving the lectern.

320112 ▶▶ GiftWrappedKittyCat, replying to p02099003, 8, #1300 of 2095 🔗

FFS. It was three weeks to ‘flatten the curve’ then it was to be over by Christmas then it was Easter now it’s 2022.

320184 ▶▶▶ Richard O, replying to GiftWrappedKittyCat, 1, #1301 of 2095 🔗

I think I spot a pattern here.

320189 ▶▶▶▶ Edward, replying to Richard O, 4, #1302 of 2095 🔗

Exponential growth. Weeks, then months, now years, then it’ll be decades. Back to normal by 2032.

320027 richard riewer, replying to richard riewer, 1, #1303 of 2095 🔗
320088 ▶▶ Crystal Decanter, replying to richard riewer, #1304 of 2095 🔗

I do like Jo Nova but she is a bit of a Corona moaner with regards to the bat cold

320111 ▶▶▶ Aslangeo, replying to Crystal Decanter, #1305 of 2095 🔗

She has also of late become obsessed with the US election – less interesting to many people

320032 Arnie, replying to Arnie, 11, #1306 of 2095 🔗

The BEST Christmas Song EVER!! OK I exaggerate but it’s a fantastic message to send to our woeful leaders:

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9079829/Boris-Johnson-F-ing-C-t-unlikely-contender-Christmas-number-one.html

Buy it here:

https://www.amazon.co.uk/Boris-Johnson-Fucking-Single-Explicit/dp/B08Q8S8JBD/ref=sr_1_2?dchild=1&keywords=boris+johnson+is+a&qid=1608740103&quartzVehicle=842-813&replacementKeywords=boris+johnson+a&sr=8-2

For more info:

http://borisjohnson.info/

I’ve done my bit, it’s over to you guys now… Just think of Top of the Pops announcing the Christmas Number 1 though…

Arnie.

320077 ▶▶ Silke David, replying to Arnie, 1, #1307 of 2095 🔗

They should have included Wancock as well, at least once.

320085 ▶▶ Crystal Decanter, replying to Arnie, 2, #1308 of 2095 🔗

It’s nice to see Kunt & the Gang doing well
Remember all his old songs from the heydays of the free internet

320243 ▶▶ Mr Dee, replying to Arnie, 2, #1309 of 2095 🔗

Best 79 pence I’ve ever spent.

Number two last I checked, a few minutes ago.

320595 ▶▶▶ Silke David, replying to Mr Dee, #1310 of 2095 🔗

Just looked at the other contender, what a shite!

320041 Tenchy, replying to Tenchy, 11, #1311 of 2095 🔗

“Mr Hancock says, he is “highly confident that we’ll get things back to normal before 2022.”

That’s alright then. Only 12 months to go. A mere bagatelle!

320052 ▶▶ arfurmo, replying to Tenchy, 7, #1312 of 2095 🔗

I thought things were going to back to normal this Christmas

320066 ▶▶▶ Biggles, replying to arfurmo, 1, #1313 of 2095 🔗

I don’t think he mentioned which Christmas.

320109 ▶▶▶ steve_w, replying to arfurmo, 14, #1314 of 2095 🔗

I thought it was 3 weeks to flatten the curve

320080 ▶▶ godowneasy, replying to Tenchy, 2, #1315 of 2095 🔗

Its’ ok – I will be hibernating during 2021 planning to re-emerge Jan 2022 all being well.

320196 ▶▶ Hampshire Sceptic, replying to Tenchy, 1, #1316 of 2095 🔗

I fear he means December 2022.

320227 ▶▶ James007, replying to Tenchy, 3, #1317 of 2095 🔗

If I were were a sailor, it would be the perfect time to take a yacht for a long solo sail. Maybe the Atlantic or Mediterranean.
No news, just sea and boating.

320043 George L, replying to George L, 7, #1318 of 2095 🔗

Well, well, who’d have thought it eh!

Loophole means Boris Johnson can spend Christmas with family in Tier 4
https://www.theneweuropean.co.uk/brexit-news/westminster-news/tier-4-loophole-over-christmas-6866518

320050 ▶▶ PatrickF, replying to George L, #1319 of 2095 🔗

If The New European (Union) reports it, it must be true!

320069 ▶▶▶ George L, replying to PatrickF, 5, #1320 of 2095 🔗

Spot on Patrick.. people thinking Johnson is anything other than a fully paid up Globalist Brussel-sprout are deluding themselves.

320194 ▶▶▶ Richard O, replying to PatrickF, 2, #1321 of 2095 🔗

Talk about a blast from the past, I haven’t been on that website this year.

320396 ▶▶▶▶ PatrickF, replying to Richard O, #1322 of 2095 🔗

I was banned in their Facebook page. I think it’s cos I told them they were fascist, racist, hypocrites.

320047 chaos, replying to chaos, 13, #1323 of 2095 🔗

I wish it was 2019.

320049 ▶▶ Janette, replying to chaos, 3, #1324 of 2095 🔗

Me too

320073 ▶▶ Jonny S., replying to chaos, 5, #1325 of 2095 🔗

What, you want to go through all this again?

320106 ▶▶ GiftWrappedKittyCat, replying to chaos, 1, #1326 of 2095 🔗

I don’t, I wish it was 2022 when this shambles is over.

320117 ▶▶▶ dhid, replying to GiftWrappedKittyCat, 9, #1327 of 2095 🔗

I have a horrible feeling if we let WC et al to continue it won’t be by 2022.

My niece, in her xmas card to me, has said she hoped 2021 would be better that 2020 – that makes me want to weep frankly!

320438 ▶▶▶▶ Mark Smith, replying to dhid, 1, #1328 of 2095 🔗

I’m fearful that this is just the start and it’s not going away anytime soon. Why doesn’t someone in govt with half a moral call out these maniacs?

320053 helen, #1329 of 2095 🔗

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As a doctor, should I be vaccinated against COVID-19?In Good medical practice we say at paragraph 29 that doctors should be immunised against common serious communicable diseases , unless this is contraindicated.
While there is no absolute duty to be vaccinated against any particular disease, there is a potential risk of inadvertently spreading coronavirus to vulnerable patients. This weighs in favour of doctors being vaccinated unless there are good reasons why it isn’t appropriate in your individual circumstances.
We recognise that you may need to take account of any underlying health conditions. In some cases, there may be other appropriate options for managing any risk to patients and colleagues.
If you have good reason not to be vaccinated, you need to be confident that there are measures in place where you work to manage any risk of transmission to patients. You will need to take appropriate steps to reduce risks and prioritise patient safety.
What information is available about the safety of the vaccine?For a vaccine to be approved for use in the UK, the MHRA has said that robust standards of quality, safety, and effectiveness must be met.
Public Health England has published clinical guidance on the vaccine rollout. We expect the health services in Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland will produce similar information.
This information will help doctors to give clear, accurate and up-to-date information to their patients so they can make informed decisions about vaccination. Our Decision making and consent guidance will support you to have these conversations with patients.
How will doctors seek patient consent for the vaccine?Doctors must be satisfied they have consent or other valid authority before they provide treatment to patients ( paragraph 17 in Good medical practice ). Our expectations are the same for doctors before they administer vaccines.
As part of this process, registered healthcare professionals, including doctors, nurses, pharmacists and many other professionals, will be responsible for speaking with patients to find out about allergies, their medical history and any contraindications.
We also expect the health services across the four countries of the UK to provide guidance on how consent should be recorded. This will include information about whether healthcare professionals should use a standard consent form.
In all cases, doctors should familiarise themselves with our Decision making and consent guidance , in particular the seven principles and paragraphs 21-26 on discussing benefits and harms and uncertainties with their patients.
For adult patients who lack capacity, paragraphs 87-93 of our Decision making and consent guidance explains the ethical basis and process for treatment decisions. It also covers the differences that apply in Scotland.

320063 Ben, replying to Ben, 11, #1330 of 2095 🔗

ITALY – ‘Conte made a coup d’état’

‘This is the sentence of the Civil Court of Rome. The Italian PM Conte didn’t have the power to enforce an emergency state due to Covid. Basically, the judges said that Conte made a coup d’état. This has been possible because all the Italian institutions are complicit in the coup.’

https://twitter.com/CesareSacchetti/status/1341732465786949638?s=20

320108 ▶▶ Silke David, replying to Ben, 7, #1331 of 2095 🔗

It won’t end any restrictions though, will it?
We have seen a few court decision “our way”, but sadly they had no effect.

320068 Dan Clarke, replying to Dan Clarke, 2, #1332 of 2095 🔗

So are we all Tier 4 now?

320083 ▶▶ Jo Dominic, replying to Dan Clarke, 3, #1333 of 2095 🔗

No.

320086 ▶▶ Silke David, replying to Dan Clarke, 9, #1334 of 2095 🔗

Basically yes.
They said we should all behave as if we are, or we’ve got the virus (so 10 days isolating, and if we had no symptoms, assume we were asymptomatic) so logically the shit show is over on the 4th January.

320116 ▶▶▶ Dan Clarke, replying to Silke David, 21, #1335 of 2095 🔗

Behave as if I’ve got a virus, no thanks!! I’ve got a party for 16 on the 27th

320174 ▶▶▶▶ Silke David, replying to Dan Clarke, 4, #1336 of 2095 🔗

I hosted a corona party in April. Quite successful, had 2 infections (a hand puppet mouse and stuffed rabbit)

320343 ▶▶▶▶ charleyfarley, replying to Dan Clarke, #1337 of 2095 🔗

That’s good. Have a great time. Life must go on despite the lunatics.

320129 ▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to Dan Clarke, 6, #1338 of 2095 🔗

Carry on as normal.
(Sage advice from Dr Nick Rose, RS Turbo, VD & Scar, WC & Chain)

320072 godowneasy, replying to godowneasy, 13, #1339 of 2095 🔗

That’s it – my insanity-o-meter has blown again. This device protects me from the unfolding madness but it has run out of capacity again. I have upgraded it several times this year but now it’s gone past “peak madness”. I hope someone can help with this – how do I programme levels above “peak”. This is urgent. If I can’nae fix it, she’s gonna blow.

320078 ▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to godowneasy, 3, #1340 of 2095 🔗

Sounds to me that you need a twin-cylinder variant.

320211 ▶▶ Richard O, replying to godowneasy, 3, #1341 of 2095 🔗

Treating it regularly with alcohol provides immediate respite, but in doing so you will be running the risk of irreparably damaging the device.

320075 Frank, 10, #1343 of 2095 🔗

So the law will be changed to reflect the new rules. How can they just, by a stroke of the pen, enact this? Why not just give themselves Christmas bonuses while at it?

320081 Day 276 of lockdown, replying to Day 276 of lockdown, 13, #1344 of 2095 🔗

Deaths within 28 days of positive test by date of death shows a very different picture to the deaths within 28 days of positive test by date reported.

  • Deaths by date of death – each death is assigned to the date that the person died irrespective of how long it took for the death to be reported. Previously reported data are therefore continually updated
  • Deaths by date reported – each death is assigned to the date when it was first included in the published totals.

No prizes for guessing which one is used in fear figures

Sarigan

320096 ▶▶ tinxx, replying to Day 276 of lockdown, 1, #1345 of 2095 🔗

And funnily enough the count has never been above 500…

320173 ▶▶ Tyneside Tigress, replying to Day 276 of lockdown, 1, #1346 of 2095 🔗

Today’s count includes at least one death from 19 April. Yesterday’s included at least one from 2 July.

320089 Jo Dominic, replying to Jo Dominic, 22, #1347 of 2095 🔗

We’ve gone from Tier 2 to 4 because the f****g hospital is under pressure. No end date was given either.

320131 ▶▶ PatrickF, replying to Jo Dominic, 10, #1348 of 2095 🔗

Under pressure from the free pizza deliveries, rather than admissions.

320095 steve_w, 27, #1349 of 2095 🔗

120 people died in Bucks in – 9 months (out of a population of almost a million). All were in end of life care. More died of regular colds this year

7 admissions per day. 3 on ICU.

And these stats give us tier 4. And ‘it isn’t enough’. These people are fucking mental

320097 James Marker, replying to James Marker, 23, #1350 of 2095 🔗

Brilliant podcast by Professor Vincent Racaniello on the update page, and I take my hat off to him.  It raises the question of who appointed Neil Ferguson to NERVTAG, a man whose modelling has been shown to be flawed time and time again. Whoever was responsible for that appointment is either incompetent or engaged in a conspiracy. I suspect the latter.

320118 ▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to James Marker, 4, #1351 of 2095 🔗

Revolving door. Standard practice throughout public sector management.

320124 ▶▶ Dan Clarke, replying to James Marker, 4, #1352 of 2095 🔗

Same time as his friend Blair pops back into the news banging on about having everyone tested

320127 ▶▶ RickH, replying to James Marker, 5, #1353 of 2095 🔗

‘Unherd’ interviews conducted by Freddy Sayers have been very informative over the last few months, so I was massively disappointed in his ‘on the one hand and on the other’ article about John Giesecke v. Ferguson. As if the two were opposite sides of a scientific debate.

They aren’t that at all – the weight of forecast against reality shows how massively wrong Ferguson has been, whilst Giesecke’s approach has been shown to broadly accord with ow things work.

320236 ▶▶▶ Tom in Scotland, replying to RickH, 2, #1354 of 2095 🔗

Yes, Freddie has been a disappointment. He’s not a very good interviewer to begin with – easy questions – and he’s been getting steadily worse with his articles. Not much critical thinking going on. He used to be with YouGov.

320099 Silke David, replying to Silke David, 35, #1355 of 2095 🔗

Wancock said 690 deaths yesterday was so bad, especially at xmas.
2000 people a day die, you idiot!
And there will be 2000 deaths on the 25th!, which most likely will include a significant number of suicides.

320126 ▶▶ Jo Dominic, replying to Silke David, 28, #1356 of 2095 🔗

I wouldn’t mind if there was a genuine deadly virus going around the UK killing millions but there isn’t. It’s the abuse of pure unadulterated power. This country s well and truly fucked well and truly. No hope for an economic recovery now. Businesses won’t survive this. 8m unemployed by Summer. Three deranged scientists one idiot of a Prime Minister and one power mad Secretary of State for Health. It’s down to the British public now.

320260 ▶▶▶ Richard O, replying to Jo Dominic, 1, #1357 of 2095 🔗

8 million unemployed might be an optimistic projection.

320153 ▶▶ Tyneside Tigress, replying to Silke David, 14, #1358 of 2095 🔗

Yesterday’s number included deaths from 2 July. Today’s included deaths from 19 April. Where are they finding these deaths?

320167 ▶▶▶ Silke David, replying to Tyneside Tigress, 3, #1359 of 2095 🔗

Same with +test reporting with the RKI. Every day they list at least 1 from March and the other months.

320351 ▶▶▶ Liz F, replying to Tyneside Tigress, #1360 of 2095 🔗

Sorry, run that one past me again. I thought deaths had to be within 28 days of testing positive?

320706 ▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to Silke David, #1361 of 2095 🔗

Not to mention overdose from drugs or alcohol.

To paraphrase Marvin the Martian: “This is making me angry. Very, very angry!”

320100 leggy, replying to leggy, 37, #1362 of 2095 🔗

Just had my teenage daughter on the phone in tears because the one single thing she had left to look forward to, going to the gym, has just been ripped away from her.

I truly hope those responsible rot in hell.

320156 ▶▶ nottingham69, replying to leggy, 19, #1363 of 2095 🔗

How stupid is shutting gyms? Total number of under 60’s dying of or with CCP VIRUS in good health 371, most of those health workers. So stop people looking after themselves in winter, really clever Hancock you scummer.

320163 ▶▶▶ PatrickF, replying to nottingham69, 4, #1364 of 2095 🔗

Get fat, not fit. Genius!

320237 ▶▶ Mr Dee, replying to leggy, 8, #1365 of 2095 🔗

Bless her. My son spends half his life in the gym. With the gyms closed in Wales, he’s taken up running now, and enjoying it, and does his gym routines at home where he can (lots of skipping in the garden!). The gyms need to revolt and open up, like that fella did in Liverpool. Where’s their spirit!

320110 Portnadler, replying to Portnadler, -1, #1366 of 2095 🔗

From the Guardian:

More than 2,900 US healthcare workers have died in the Covid-19 pandemic since March, a far higher number than that reported by the government, according to a new analysis by the Guardian and KHN.

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2020/dec/23/us-healthcare-worker-deaths-covid-19-pandemic

You can make of that what you will.

From the CDC in the US:

2019-2020 flu vaccination coverage among health care personnel (HCP) was 80.6%, similar to coverage during the past five seasons (77.3% -81.1%).

By occupation, flu vaccination coverage was highest among physicians (98.0%), nurses (92.0%), pharmacists (90.6%), and nurse practitioners and physician assistants (88.8%)

https://www.cdc.gov/flu/professionals/healthcareworkers.htm

And you can make of that what you will as well.

320363 ▶▶ Portnadler, replying to Portnadler, #1367 of 2095 🔗

The reason I suggested that you make of both these quotes what you will is that they suggest a causality. But that is not proven (i.e. it may just be a correlation due to say greater exposure). Having said that, I would like to see it researched further. Any comments, positive or otherwise would be appreciated.

320119 Leemc23, 23, #1368 of 2095 🔗

And like that. It’s the final kick in the bollocks.

Holy Fucking Christ. These cabal of c*unts have no shame, humanity or compassion.

Even Johnson swerved this one. Bet he was able to travel to Chequers for the “Festive season” (( CHRISTMAS YOU BUNCH OF PRICKS ))

All the lies in the world don’t add up to the truth.

I’m out till the new year. When I will never again be part of this hypocritical society. No rules anymore. I am done with it.

320123 steve_w, 15, #1369 of 2095 🔗

Some ‘scientist’ friend of mine said the evenings get longer from yesterday.

I had the bbq, hawaian shirt, few beers. It was freezing and dark before 4pm! ‘Experts’. No way am I taking a vaccine

320125 PatrickF, replying to PatrickF, 25, #1370 of 2095 🔗

Johnson, stop saving lives, by killing lives. Too many people are dying from your paranoia and belief in your medical charlatans.

320130 ▶▶ Ovis, replying to PatrickF, 9, #1371 of 2095 🔗

There is no way he can possibly believe he is doing the right thing now. There is no way that he can believe what he is saying.

320137 ▶▶▶ Julian, replying to Ovis, 6, #1372 of 2095 🔗

We can’t know for sure, but yes it would stretch credibility, especially as he was prepared to sign off on a do-nothing approach until he bottled it

320147 ▶▶▶ Charlie Blue, replying to Ovis, 4, #1373 of 2095 🔗

I’m not so sure. He must be lying to himself constantly in order to keep lying to us without missing a beat. Has he ever had any grasp on reality?

320159 ▶▶▶▶ Ovis, replying to Charlie Blue, 2, #1374 of 2095 🔗

But he has often missed beats. His lies are not flawless. When tying himself in knots he just smirks.

320132 mjr, replying to mjr, 10, #1376 of 2095 🔗

further to what we all hope will be the Xmas #1 “Boris Johnson is a f****** c***”

Just found this for the classical music buffs . (from last xmas but still relevant)

Boris Johnson is a lying shit

320162 ▶▶ Silke David, replying to mjr, 1, #1377 of 2095 🔗

WONDERFUL!!!

320249 ▶▶ Cranmer, replying to mjr, 1, #1378 of 2095 🔗

I bought the punk song last night and have found myself singing ‘Boris Johnson is a Cucking Funt’ most of the day. It’s very catchy.

320273 ▶▶ chris, replying to mjr, #1379 of 2095 🔗

Excellent

320134 StevieH, replying to StevieH, 19, #1380 of 2095 🔗

Granny and grandad managed to escape from Gulag Wales today and travel up to the Midlands to visit grandkids, daughter and s-i-l. Weather was, and still is, atrocious – flooding like I’ve not seen in this country for a long time. No Stasi presence at all, either side of the border (weather might have put them off). Plenty of traffic still coming into the Gulag, but less going out.

320245 ▶▶ Cranmer, replying to StevieH, 1, #1381 of 2095 🔗

I breached movement rules today and got a bit nervous when I was followed by a police van for half a mile or so, but even if they were checking out of tier plates with ANPR they obviously weren’t stopping people.

320373 ▶▶▶ Two-Six, replying to Cranmer, #1382 of 2095 🔗

They were probably popping out for doughnuts and face nappies

320135 Ben, replying to Ben, 13, #1383 of 2095 🔗

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320151 ▶▶ steve_w, replying to Ben, 6, #1384 of 2095 🔗

The paper I read estimated 15 million life-years from a 2008 scale recession (3 months on average off everyone)

worst case scenario was 5 million life years from covid (500,000 people, 10 years each) – a wild ‘ferguson’ overestimate

320136 calchas, 14, #1385 of 2095 🔗

Posted earlier by Swedenborg, this shows definitively that there is no pandemic of respiratory disease.

Show this to covidians:

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320139 Tim Bidie, replying to Tim Bidie, 6, #1386 of 2095 🔗

McCarthyism lasted four years.

Remind me, when is the next general election?

320154 ▶▶ Ovis, replying to Tim Bidie, 3, #1387 of 2095 🔗

The difference is that McCarthy was right.

320204 ▶▶▶ dommo, replying to Ovis, 1, #1388 of 2095 🔗

exactly

320140 calchas, replying to calchas, 22, #1389 of 2095 🔗

By the way.

I shan’t be wishing anybody a Merry Christmas this year – either here or anywhere else.

To do so at this time would constitute a mockery.

320144 ▶▶ CGL, replying to calchas, 4, #1390 of 2095 🔗

Agreed. I can’t bring myself to say the words and haven’t sent one single card

320145 ▶▶ Leemc23, replying to calchas, 2, #1391 of 2095 🔗

“Festive Season” don’t dare say Christmas if you are in any sense not woke or have a public profile.

320271 ▶▶ Richard O, replying to calchas, 2, #1392 of 2095 🔗

Same here, and if anyone dares to wish me a Happy New Year I will be giving them both barrels. No more Mr. Nice Guy.

320142 tarfu, replying to tarfu, 14, #1393 of 2095 🔗

The epicurious LS will be saddened to hear that according to the BBC ( https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-55418184 ) Nigella will not be cooking a turkey this year as it is not a normal Christmas as she cannot entertain family and friends.
Sounds like she’s a typical brainwashed celeb who’s virtue signalling.

320224 ▶▶ OKUK, replying to tarfu, #1394 of 2095 🔗

OK. Not much in buying a Nutella cookbook then….

320364 ▶▶ RickH, replying to tarfu, 1, #1395 of 2095 🔗

You just need a bit of reality and the bottle to stick to it, Nigella.

…although it’s a bit more demanding than fluttering your eyelashes and making sidelong glances at the camera.

We’re conducting Christmas as normal – it’s not difficult.

320428 ▶▶ Two-Six, replying to tarfu, 1, #1396 of 2095 🔗

Nigella was a coke head. Live on the telly…..Oh yes….

320148 Silke David, replying to Silke David, 10, #1397 of 2095 🔗

Update on one of my comments:

The journalist during today’s press conference wanting more lockdowns, or who asked if the govt was late imposing more restrictions, is from the BBC!
Quelle surprise!

320696 ▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to Silke David, #1398 of 2095 🔗

Defund the BBC!!!

320150 Tom Blackburn, replying to Tom Blackburn, #1399 of 2095 🔗

Anyone know anything about the Yellow Card app for reporting symptoms? The Covid vaccine consent form suggests side effects can be reported using the app.

320155 ▶▶ steve_w, replying to Tom Blackburn, #1400 of 2095 🔗

I know you can report symptoms through the zoe kcl covid tracker

320200 ▶▶ Mabel Cow, replying to Tom Blackburn, #1401 of 2095 🔗

You can create a report here:

https://coronavirus-yellowcard.mhra.gov.uk/

320201 ▶▶ Paulus, replying to Tom Blackburn, #1402 of 2095 🔗

Standard for drug and vaccine side effect reporting, used to be physical yellow cards but not online; https://yellowcard.mhra.gov.uk

320160 NickR, replying to NickR, 8, #1403 of 2095 🔗

Euromomo charts for all cause excess deaths still showing home England & Scotland within normal bounds & NI & Wales well below average.

320191 ▶▶ this is my username, replying to NickR, 4, #1404 of 2095 🔗

Thanks, I’ve just shared that. People need to realise that this is more than just an overreaction to a virus. The government cannot be seriously contemplating more lockdowns when these are the true figures.

320253 ▶▶ George L, replying to NickR, 2, #1405 of 2095 🔗

Yeah.. well done Nick. I keep sharing this information with people along with the survival rate and at best I get just blank looks. No comment, no questioning. We really are up against something here guys. People are just totally brainwashed..

320357 ▶▶ RickH, replying to NickR, #1406 of 2095 🔗

… as confirmed by the ONS weekly all-cause figures. Nothing unusual happening.

320161 Cheshirecatslave, replying to Cheshirecatslave, 18, #1407 of 2095 🔗

All this reminds me very much of MSM media’s reaction to austerity and the Work Capability Test and PIP Assessment. Very sick and disabled people were told they were fit to work if they could press a button or walk a few steps. The advice of their doctors and consultants were ignored and sick and disabled people went hungry and were left destitute I personally know a very sick lady who lost her home as result. The BMA estimated over 100,000 died as a result of austerity. (where was the outrage then?) The MSM (apart from occasional articles in the Guardian and Daily Mirror) never said a word and the victims portrayed as liars, cheats and a burden on society.

The pandemic has caused a temporary halt to the flawed assessments carried out by unqualified people and wildly inaccurate but the sick and disabled are terrified they will be scapegoats again once the Government starts trying to pay the covid bill.

Media manipulation and lies and unqualified people carrying out tests, sheer incompetence and complete indifference to the suffering caused is sadly nothing new. I found many people refused to believe the Government were cruel and incompetent then just as we do now.

I’ve learned never trust the Government or mainstream media. This was a shock to me when I first became aware about 12 years ago and I realised I didn’t live in a fair and just country. Sadly their covid response is just as corrupt as their treatment of the vulnerable.

320202 ▶▶ Ben, replying to Cheshirecatslave, 8, #1408 of 2095 🔗

130,000 deaths from austerity. 111,000 deaths/suicides from DWP assessment tests. A democide. But no one cared

320217 ▶▶▶ OKUK, replying to Ben, #1409 of 2095 🔗

I don’t believe that second figure. Where’s it from?

320300 ▶▶▶▶ Ben, replying to OKUK, 1, #1410 of 2095 🔗

It’s from a disabled rights activist group freedom of request. Type ‘Atos deaths’ in Google

320239 ▶▶▶ Cheshirecatslave, replying to Ben, 5, #1411 of 2095 🔗

I have a friend with severe MS who was stripped of all his support for a year. I will never forgive or forget about that anymore than I will for Covid.

320164 Tenchy, replying to Tenchy, 14, #1412 of 2095 🔗

Sturgeon’s Mask-gate:

In a statement, Ms [Miss] Sturgeon said she had “briefly” removed her face mask while attending a wake, calling it a “stupid mistake”.

Addressing MSPs at Holyrood, the first minister said she wanted to express “how sorry I am for my breach of rules that I ask all of us to follow [that someone managed to photograph me]”.

Ms [Miss] Sturgeon said: “I want to be clear that regardless of the circumstances, I was in the wrong. There are no excuses, [even though masks are useless, but they help to keep you proles under control, and dehumanise you, and that can only be good].

“These rules do [not] apply to me, just as they do to everyone else, and the rules really matter [however stupid they might be].

“I am kicking myself very hard – possibly harder than my worst critic ever could – but more importantly I’ll be making sure I don’t drop my guard again [and so make sure those rogue elements of the normally compliant MSM don’t catch me].”

320185 ▶▶ OKUK, replying to Tenchy, 4, #1413 of 2095 🔗

She knew exactly what she was doing. She’s on the TV everyday lecturing the ruled about the rules. It was no mistake, it was done deliberately, and probably an actikn repeardd in similar situations many times before. She’s said countless times the rules are there to protect lives, to ensure people’s lives aren’t put in danger. So she must accept by her action she carelessly took the risk of endangering other people’s lives.

320199 ▶▶▶ Ben, replying to OKUK, 3, #1414 of 2095 🔗

She knew it was bollocks

320206 ▶▶▶▶ Charlie Blue, replying to Ben, 2, #1415 of 2095 🔗

Yep, and lets hope that at least some people cop on to that now.

320212 ▶▶▶▶ OKUK, replying to Ben, 4, #1416 of 2095 🔗

Of course she does. But she’s never said that and so we judge her on what she says about the rukes and about others who break them.

320198 ▶▶ Ben, replying to Tenchy, 4, #1417 of 2095 🔗

Dismayed to see Emma Kenny defending Nicola Sturgeon on this one

320231 ▶▶ Basics, replying to Tenchy, 2, #1418 of 2095 🔗

Thats just so very believeable from the liar. So lemme get this straight… she was wearing a mask, to protect others not her self, then chose (chose not slipped/accident/dropped) chose to pop of the mask to potentially kill all grannies between here and Stromness.

How is that swiss cheese anykind of reasonable answer. As bio hazarads go sturgeon is as toxic a vector as you can get by the very nature of the job she haunts.

All above is written at the level of their fantasy world where a flat line on a graph means exponential increase, etc.

320258 ▶▶ Jane G, replying to Tenchy, 3, #1419 of 2095 🔗

I still felt as though I was the one getting the telling-off; is it the accent? Her manner? The face like Dot Cotton licking piss off a nettle (thanks, Dot Wordsworth)

320165 Jonny S., 9, #1420 of 2095 🔗

Boris said, in defence of his decisions, if he makes the wrong move thousands could die.

Well here’s 26,250 of them locked up at home for you Boris.

Source
https://fingertips.phe.org.uk/static-reports/mortality-surveillance/excess-mortality-in-england-latest.html

320169 Liam, replying to Liam, 11, #1421 of 2095 🔗

Just had some unbelievably wearying texts from a woman I haven’t seen in years but who keeps in touch. She’s a good, kind person and meant well trying to cheer me up but she is set in the “the rules save lives” mindset like quicksand. It’s really depressing, in the end I had to just make an excuse and stop the conversation.

320295 ▶▶ Ben, replying to Liam, 3, #1422 of 2095 🔗

You’re allowed to speak your mind. Predicted 560,000 deaths from poverty from lockdown. Rules cause deaths

320172 NickR, 12, #1423 of 2095 🔗

https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/details/deaths I think a lot of people don’t know that the government charts are interactive, you can highlight an area, or isolate a particular nation, or area by clicking & dragging. Here’s deaths since 7th Nov.

320178 chaos, replying to chaos, 23, #1424 of 2095 🔗

draw the line

320203 ▶▶ OKUK, replying to chaos, 6, #1425 of 2095 🔗

Yes as so often a cartoon expresses this better than a 10,000 word article. We’ve got to draw a line somewhere and stick to it! Democrats on the Far Left have already been talking about putting opponents in re-education camps. After the election steal, do we really think there is a line they won’t cross?

320218 ▶▶ this is my username, replying to chaos, 15, #1426 of 2095 🔗

My line was masks. Everyone has to decide what theirs is.

320257 ▶▶▶ Darryl, replying to this is my username, 3, #1427 of 2095 🔗

As WW2 illustrated, most people don’t have any lines, especially when it comes to imposing tyranny on others. The UK population hasn’t exactly stood up to state brainwashing well – the controllers probably can’t believe their luck.

320338 ▶▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to this is my username, 4, #1428 of 2095 🔗

My line was March and the original lockdown. Everything else since then (for me) has been a distraction from the main event.

320627 ▶▶▶ richard riewer, replying to this is my username, #1429 of 2095 🔗

Mine was searching for other sources of information several weeks after the lockdown began in March, 2020. And it slowly gained momentum with each new revelation.

320802 ▶▶▶▶ Sophie123, replying to richard riewer, #1430 of 2095 🔗

Snap
mine was the data from the Diamond Princess. Pretty damned clear that we are NOT all susceptible and the death rate is not all that either.

320284 ▶▶ Ben, replying to chaos, 7, #1431 of 2095 🔗

My line was restrictions of any kind

320923 ▶▶▶ Two-Six, replying to Ben, #1432 of 2095 🔗

My current red line was thinking this new killer virus was actually a dangerous thing. After watching all the hysteria about Ebola and Zika, I thought that there was no way this crazy over reaction to a virus could take hold here. Or in Europe and the USA.

It was obvious to me that it was just a virus that really posed very little risk to anybody in comparison to all the other risky stuff people do all the time. I didn’t think the scary bullshit would catch on. Especially in sensible old UKofA.

After “the data” came out of Italy I was certain that it didn’t poses that much of a risk to all but the old, the very unwell and a few unlucky people here and there.

I watched in horror as the terrible story started to unfold.

I think my red line was drawn years ago anyway, we are way past that.

320318 ▶▶ Richard O, replying to chaos, 2, #1433 of 2095 🔗

Ben Garrison has been brilliant all year. He can sum up the entire shitshow in a handful of cartoons.

320179 Achilles, replying to Achilles, 29, #1434 of 2095 🔗

Full lockdown January. Mass testing and vaccination programme Jan-March. Seasonal respiratory virus goes away March onwards. Government claims victory of policy. It’s all so fucking predictable.

320186 ▶▶ Ben, replying to Achilles, 10, #1435 of 2095 🔗

It’s the vaccine passports I’m afraid of. Tech shareholders want to see a return on their investment. The vaccines will never stop, so I predict the virus will never go away too.. And so it continues indefinitely

320228 ▶▶▶ Waldorf, replying to Ben, 6, #1436 of 2095 🔗

I tend to agree with Achilles – I don’t see them maintaining it forever, at least not at the same pitch. This is orchestrated but like music they need to alternate the tones a bit because the constant jackhammer of lockdown might eventually trigger rebellions.

320331 ▶▶▶▶ Richard O, replying to Waldorf, 1, #1437 of 2095 🔗

No sign of rebellion in the UK, we are not even close. I foresee this system being in place for decades.

320350 ▶▶▶▶ RickH, replying to Waldorf, 1, #1438 of 2095 🔗

… but in the meantime, they have (despite some ignoring of the ‘rules’), induced a high state of compliance in the population.

320589 ▶▶▶▶ richard riewer, replying to Waldorf, #1439 of 2095 🔗

Let us pray that it does lead to rebellions. They deserve it.

320248 ▶▶▶ Darryl, replying to Ben, 6, #1440 of 2095 🔗

Yes, they can keep it going for years, just test lots of people and misdiagnose deaths. If people haven’t caught on yet they probably never will. In time the desired strange behaviour will become the social norm and they can wind down the operation.

320220 ▶▶ Cranmer, replying to Achilles, 6, #1441 of 2095 🔗

I actually would not mind if that happens. I’m becoming more and more convinced that the goal is permanent lockdowns, destruction of all small businesses and hospitality/sports/churches etc, in fact anywhere where people can freely meet.

320583 ▶▶▶ richard riewer, replying to Cranmer, #1442 of 2095 🔗

If that’s the case, armed rebellion will be our final remedy.

320238 ▶▶ Ricky R, replying to Achilles, 6, #1443 of 2095 🔗

Hit the nail on the head. Government cant let this go without coming out of it as the saviours that’s why we’re in this farce.

320580 ▶▶▶ richard riewer, replying to Ricky R, #1444 of 2095 🔗

Their Horror Show.

320317 ▶▶ Achilles, replying to Achilles, 1, #1445 of 2095 🔗

When I say government claim victory I mean the winter battle. I expect them to prolong the war for at least another year. Hancocks already talking about 2022 and that’s also when Ferguson’s model ran to. Major restrictions off and on until March 2022, some liberties lost forever.

320516 ▶▶ Adamb, replying to Achilles, #1446 of 2095 🔗

I thought they would say that this summer. What happens when it comes back again next autumn?

320180 Ben, replying to Ben, 19, #1447 of 2095 🔗

I have no doubt, as governments tighten the screw and life becomes less and less tolerable, that violence, civil unrest or even revolutions may happen. I wish it was not the case, but humans can only take so much

Protests in Spain:

https://twitter.com/robinmonotti/status/1341731701786087432?s=20

320235 ▶▶ Darryl, replying to Ben, 11, #1448 of 2095 🔗

They want civil unrest, tyrannical governments such as Johnsons regime can then justify harsher measures such as military martial law and use it as an excuse to clamp down hard on any dissenters. The TSG in London certainly don’t look like the police, they are military in all but name.

Look at the way the intelligence services are using propaganda to turn the population against each other, it really is disgraceful this is happening with complete political support. They have full control of the narrative via the BBC and other state propaganda channels.

320278 ▶▶▶ Ben, replying to Darryl, 6, #1449 of 2095 🔗

What is humanity to do when a jackboot is being continually stamped on its head?

320404 ▶▶▶▶ John Smith, replying to Ben, 1, #1450 of 2095 🔗

Global noncompliance is the only tactic that will worķ.

320616 ▶▶▶▶ richard riewer, replying to Ben, #1451 of 2095 🔗

Learn to love Big Brother?

320614 ▶▶▶ richard riewer, replying to Darryl, #1452 of 2095 🔗

Boris is not your friend.

320565 ▶▶ Silke David, replying to Ben, #1453 of 2095 🔗

The critics in Germany have taken to playing the prisoners choir from the Opera Nabucco at 9pm onto the streets. Their form of clapping.
There are also car convoys decked in slogans and with sound systems every Monday.

320613 ▶▶ richard riewer, replying to Ben, #1454 of 2095 🔗

Viva Espagne!

320181 Fiona Walker, replying to Fiona Walker, 27, #1455 of 2095 🔗

Back in the day I used to play a table-top role playing game called Paranoia.

“Paranoia is a humorous role-playing game set in a dystopian future similar to Nineteen Eighty-Four, Brave New World, Logan’s Run, and THX 1138; however, the tone of the game is rife with black humor, frequently tongue-in-cheek rather than dark and heavy. Most of the game’s humor is derived from the players’ (usually futile) attempts to complete their assignment while simultaneously adhering to The Computer’s arbitrary, contradictory and often nonsensical security directives.”

It was great fun because, you know, it could never happen. Well it just has. I don’t know how Hancock kept a straight face as he introduced yet another “variant”. Actually, he didn’t. He was smirking away when asked when this would be over, because never, because he seems to love the power and comes over as a complete sociopath.

320222 ▶▶ Mr Dee, replying to Fiona Walker, 6, #1456 of 2095 🔗

Yellow Clearance Black Box Blues.

“Do you have clearance to post on this site, Citizen?” [Kerblam! Smoking boots…]

We have colour-coded access passes. We have citizens in a constant state of fear. We have policy decided by computer models and algorithms. We have dodgy R&D technology (the Vaccine). We even have mutants! And SAGE member Susan Michie (Ultraviolet programmer) is a commie infiltrator.

320251 ▶▶▶ Fiona Walker, replying to Mr Dee, 2, #1457 of 2095 🔗

That’s so true! I wonder if we are infra- reds or even lower?

320276 ▶▶▶▶ Mr Dee, replying to Fiona Walker, 2, #1458 of 2095 🔗

We’re the ‘weirdos’ living outside Alpha complex. What were they called? Sierra Club?

320259 ▶▶▶ Fiona Walker, replying to Mr Dee, 1, #1459 of 2095 🔗

And as I recall, any weapons we were issued were experimental and tended to blow us up. The vaccine maybe?

320250 ▶▶ IanE, replying to Fiona Walker, #1460 of 2095 🔗

‘Sociopath’? No – full-blown sadistic psychopath.

320195 NickR, replying to NickR, 14, #1461 of 2095 🔗

London region deaths, as you can see, growing exponentially!!!!

320209 ▶▶ Basics, replying to NickR, 5, #1462 of 2095 🔗

Cheers for posting all again NickR.

320214 ▶▶ Tenchy, replying to NickR, 4, #1463 of 2095 🔗

Quite! And did you see how many tests were reported today – about 450k !

320267 ▶▶▶ Yawnyaman, replying to Tenchy, 3, #1464 of 2095 🔗

A record!

320337 ▶▶▶ Old Normal, replying to Tenchy, 1, #1465 of 2095 🔗

It’s depressing to think that so many people are still volunteering to be tested. Although I suspect a large percentage of those are being done in hospitals and care homes.

I got an unsolicited text from my GP surgery yesterday (must be open after all) telling me there were 44 cases in the area. It’s interesting when the testing centre has been open once in the past 3 months and the GPs won’t see anyone with symptoms.

320504 ▶▶▶▶ Adamb, replying to Old Normal, #1466 of 2095 🔗

If the people at my work are anything to go by they’re all getting tested before visiting people at Christmas.

320529 ▶▶▶▶▶ A. Contrarian, replying to Adamb, #1467 of 2095 🔗

I’m convinced this is at least part of the reason. There’s been a huge jump in my area, right in time for the end of term.

320210 Cranmer, replying to Cranmer, 23, #1468 of 2095 🔗

Noticed something for the first time today, in the Post Office. There was a big poster about social distancing, masks, using hand jizz etc. But not a single mention of Covid nor Corona. I wonder if this will become more common as the powers that be attempt to accustom people to the idea of permanent lockdown without any actual reason.

320221 ▶▶ Jolly Green Giant, replying to Cranmer, 1, #1469 of 2095 🔗

For sure that’s what they’re trying to programme into us. I’ve been saying for ages now that in 5 years time people will still be scuttling around in their face-nappies, and they’ll have forgotten why.

320223 ▶▶ Edward, replying to Cranmer, 8, #1470 of 2095 🔗

Quite probable. Ancient traditions whose origins are lost in the mists of time.

320256 ▶▶ Mark Smith, replying to Cranmer, 1, #1471 of 2095 🔗

Yes I’ve noticed that, socially engineering you for the ‘new ab-normal’.

320553 ▶▶ Silke David, replying to Cranmer, #1472 of 2095 🔗

As I entered a cafe today maskless and got a look by the assistant, I always want to say: Do you REALLY think I do not know you expect me to wear a nappy? So do not bother “reminding” me!!

320225 Cheshirecatslave, replying to Cheshirecatslave, 13, #1473 of 2095 🔗

Thank Goodness the Christmas greetings will stop soon. I’ve had a virtue-signalling round robin letter today about virtual choirs, enjoying new activities in lockdown and doing x y and z when “allowed” to followed by a text with a photo of mask-wearing dogs! My overseas friends have watched the news and are anxiously begging me to “stay safe”. They must think the UK the most dangerous place on earth from news bulletins. Still no clue if I’m going anywhere for Christmas as my friend’s husband is a covid hysteric who plans to eat out of doors and won’t live with his wife. He was telling her off on Sunday for having both me and another mask exempt lady in her car and no open windows. He was wrong as I did have the window open.

320242 ▶▶ IanE, replying to Cheshirecatslave, 11, #1474 of 2095 🔗

Yep, the two most annoying words in the world, “Stay safe”!

320268 ▶▶▶ Steeve, replying to IanE, 4, #1475 of 2095 🔗

How about “Stay safe in a Support Bubble”

320304 ▶▶▶ TheOriginalBlackPudding, replying to IanE, 7, #1476 of 2095 🔗

Indeed. I’ve always said “Stay sane”. Unfortunately it seems it’s now too late for many.

320306 ▶▶▶ Laura Suckling, replying to IanE, 12, #1477 of 2095 🔗

As God is my witness, the next person who tells me to “stay safe” I will punch.

320309 ▶▶▶▶ Sam Vimes, replying to Laura Suckling, 2, #1478 of 2095 🔗

Righteous indignation, indeed.

320326 ▶▶▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to Laura Suckling, 2, #1479 of 2095 🔗

Let’s hope they aren’t socially distanced ;o))

320385 ▶▶▶ annie, replying to IanE, 2, #1480 of 2095 🔗

Absolutely. Loathsome, horrid, nauseating.

320413 ▶▶▶ Cranmer, replying to IanE, 4, #1481 of 2095 🔗

Somebody said on here that ‘stay safe’ is the new ‘Heil Hitler’.

320673 ▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to IanE, 1, #1482 of 2095 🔗

I’ve been retaliating by saying “Have a sane 2021.”

I’ve long wanted to shoot or hack to death anyone who tells me to “stay safe.”

320546 ▶▶ Silke David, replying to Cheshirecatslave, 1, #1483 of 2095 🔗

I could have punched a trader on the market today who wished me a merry christmas!

320230 NickR, 7, #1484 of 2095 🔗

Deaths in the North West. Last month’s scare turns into this month’s case study.

320244 Dan Clarke, replying to Dan Clarke, 19, #1485 of 2095 🔗

Apparently Hancock said Happy Christmas at the end of this c**p, his security must be tight

320263 ▶▶ Yawnyaman, replying to Dan Clarke, 13, #1486 of 2095 🔗

Seriously he has never had to properly face someone whose life he has destroyed since this shenanigans started. Nor Whitby, Vallance etc. The MSM have definitely done their job at the expense of silencing some of our most vulnerable fellow citizens. A plague on them all.

320274 ▶▶▶ Dan Clarke, replying to Yawnyaman, 9, #1487 of 2095 🔗

Cant watch any of them now, or the tv will suffer

320574 ▶▶▶ richard riewer, replying to Yawnyaman, 1, #1488 of 2095 🔗

How about a very virulent strain of coronavirus on them?

320316 ▶▶ Steve Martindale, replying to Dan Clarke, 8, #1489 of 2095 🔗

He really does deliver a truly vomit inducing performance, he did his ‘tiny tears’ act when he talked in heart wrenching terms about all the people who are dying everyday of this terrible disease. This wringing out the death figures is really the lowest form of propaganda, does he really think that all these people died just of Covid and but for Covid would be alive today, giving the country the lowest death rate for many years?
This disgraceful misrepresentation of deaths is insulting and disrespectful to the people who died and their relatives and it is taken in, hook. line and sinker by the Covid zealots as justification for lockdowns.

320400 ▶▶▶ James007, replying to Steve Martindale, 4, #1490 of 2095 🔗

It reminds me of what happens with people who lead cults. They sometimes begin as fraudsters, but their ego and power grows, and their start to believe their own hype. I think Hancock really believes he is saving lives. He is insane.

320329 ▶▶ Will, replying to Dan Clarke, 4, #1491 of 2095 🔗

The one reassuring thing about all of this is that Hancock is going to end up dead. He knows about too many skeletons in too many closets. Suicide will be their means of silencing him but he will be silenced.

320466 ▶▶▶ Bugle, replying to Will, 1, #1492 of 2095 🔗

Is he going to shoot himself twice in the back of the head?

320261 Arnie, replying to Arnie, 54, #1493 of 2095 🔗

Fear Fatigue or Lockdown Fatigue.

I’m no longer afraid. Even my psychologist said this to me a few days ago.

A bit like what happened during the Blitz. Unfortunately the majority of the population were stoic then and are certainly not now. I am disappointed at their cowardice (to say the least!), most of these feckers deserve to have the harshest lockdowns possible.

In the meantime I am walking tall, walking straight, unmasked, and unapologetic.

My love and best wishes to you all over this festive period.

Arnie.

320265 ▶▶ Victoria, replying to Arnie, 2, #1494 of 2095 🔗

Great post!

We owe it to ourselves to be as happy as we can

320272 ▶▶ MadJock1, replying to Arnie, 1, #1495 of 2095 🔗

That’s the spirit !!!!!

320279 ▶▶ Mr Dee, replying to Arnie, 2, #1496 of 2095 🔗

And to you, Arnie. Great words! You’re an inspiration to us all.

320302 ▶▶ George L, replying to Arnie, 1, #1497 of 2095 🔗

Good on you mate. That’s just the sort of talk I like. The bastards don’t like it up em!

320305 ▶▶ Sam Vimes, replying to Arnie, 1, #1498 of 2095 🔗

You are the man.

320321 ▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to Arnie, 1, #1499 of 2095 🔗

The same to you and yours, Arnie. Let’s hope 2021 is brighter.

320334 ▶▶ DRW, replying to Arnie, 2, #1500 of 2095 🔗

Enjoy yourself Arnie, here’s to a better 2021.

320381 ▶▶ annie, replying to Arnie, 3, #1501 of 2095 🔗

Well said, Arnie. Walk tall, cast off fear, stay human.

320403 ▶▶ Cranmer, replying to Arnie, 2, #1502 of 2095 🔗

Well said, sir. Remember, we are freeborn Britons. Tyrants have tried to enslave our race before, and always they have failed.

320668 ▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to Arnie, #1503 of 2095 🔗

Agree Arnie.

Thank you for your posts, they have been a beacon of hope and sanity.

320264 NickR, replying to NickR, 6, #1504 of 2095 🔗

For those of you interested in a bit more detail on when the deaths reported actually happened here’s the data from the Centre for Evidence Based Medicine report showing when the deaths in English hospitals reported today happened.

320294 ▶▶ Tyneside Tigress, replying to NickR, 2, #1505 of 2095 🔗

Nick, on my local rag it has at least one death back to 19 April.

320328 ▶▶▶ Yawnyaman, replying to Tyneside Tigress, #1506 of 2095 🔗

There is often a catch up exercise just before Christmas

320345 ▶▶▶ NickR, replying to Tyneside Tigress, #1507 of 2095 🔗

Yes, you’re right, one was on the 19th April but I zoomed in & it got cut off.

320541 ▶▶ Silke David, replying to NickR, #1508 of 2095 🔗

Notice the spike on the 21st, the shortest and darkest day of the year

320266 Tom Blackburn, replying to Tom Blackburn, 16, #1509 of 2095 🔗

Has Wanksock pushed it too far this time? I didn’t watch it but I’ve read that he introduced a new strain more transmissible than the one from last week despite there only being 2 cases (??). He is coming across as a killer on a rampage.

320282 ▶▶ Tyneside Tigress, replying to Tom Blackburn, #1510 of 2095 🔗

Let’s put it this way, Andrew Cuomo has stiff competition for next year’s BAFTA. It was an Oscar-quality acceptance speech, even if the content was distinctly Golden Raspberry!

320301 ▶▶▶ Tom Blackburn, replying to Tyneside Tigress, 1, #1511 of 2095 🔗

Maybe he needs “more rope” as it were. Indulge him, let him get ahead of himself somehow.