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321010 Llamasaurus Rex, replying to Llamasaurus Rex, 41, #1 of 872 🔗

Merry Christmas all

321016 ▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Llamasaurus Rex, 43, #2 of 872 🔗

When I were a lad Xmas Eve was a normal working day except that everyone went to the pub at lunchtime so most bosses said don’t bother coming back for the afternoon.

321017 ▶▶▶ Chris John, replying to karenovirus, 14, #3 of 872 🔗

Merry Christmas All, may Father Christmas empty his sack in your living room

321220 ▶▶▶▶ Jane G, replying to Chris John, 5, #4 of 872 🔗

I don’t like the sound of that!!

321233 ▶▶▶▶▶ arfurmo, replying to Jane G, 8, #5 of 872 🔗

He only comes once a year.

321265 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Al T, replying to arfurmo, 6, #6 of 872 🔗

But when he does, he fills your stockings up!

321023 ▶▶▶ Llamasaurus Rex, replying to karenovirus, 6, #7 of 872 🔗

Toby’s headline put me in the mood. Until I read anything below the headline. the German llamasauruses side of our family celebrates Eve primarily. This ll-Rex will be working till going out for a Chinese meal this evening, before the restaurant shuts down.

321412 ▶▶▶▶ Silke David, replying to Llamasaurus Rex, 11, #8 of 872 🔗

My family in Germany is very depressed this year. Usually very active retirees, all cultural and sport opportunities have been closed since November.
With Germany shutting down at noon today, 2 BH and Sunday, it gets very boring indeed. There are only so many walks one can go on, and TV is abysmal .

321427 ▶▶▶▶▶ Llamasaurus Rex, replying to Silke David, 2, #9 of 872 🔗

I know, it’s awful.

321488 ▶▶▶▶▶ Mary Ann Dowrick, replying to Silke David, -2, #10 of 872 🔗


321574 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Silke David, replying to Mary Ann Dowrick, 6, #11 of 872 🔗

My parents do not have an answer phone, microwave, never had a video recorder or dvd player, no computer or mobile phone.
They just about manage to switch on the tv.
If it was not winter, my 80y old father would rather dig his allotment.

321705 ▶▶▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to Silke David, 1, #12 of 872 🔗

Are they showing those Sissi films again? From what I heard they do it over Christmas.

321029 ▶▶▶ Nigel Sherratt, replying to karenovirus, 5, #13 of 872 🔗

DJT has a 0730 press call today (just to spoil their day mainly probably).

321292 ▶▶▶▶ OKUK, replying to Nigel Sherratt, 1, #14 of 872 🔗

Lol love the way he plays them!

321293 ▶▶▶▶▶ OKUK, replying to OKUK, 1, #15 of 872 🔗

Those by-the-helicopter press conferences are particularly funny.

321200 ▶▶▶ Ned of the Hills, replying to karenovirus, 4, #16 of 872 🔗

When I were a lad my mother worked on Christmas Day because she was a post woman.

321237 ▶▶▶▶ Basileus, replying to Ned of the Hills, 6, #17 of 872 🔗

WE lived at the bottom of a lake and ate gravel. <sorry>

321303 ▶▶▶▶▶ Spikedee1, replying to Basileus, 3, #18 of 872 🔗

Soft gravel, you were lucky!!

321474 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Basileus, replying to Spikedee1, 2, #19 of 872 🔗

.. but we had to pick it up with our toes.

321748 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Burlington, replying to Basileus, 3, #20 of 872 🔗

Our parents came home every evening and stabbed us to death. Yes life was hard in those days….

321307 ▶▶▶ Spikedee1, replying to karenovirus, 4, #21 of 872 🔗

And going to kiss all the ladies working in the typing pool, even the directors secretary who the rest of the year frightened the beejezus out of me….

321330 ▶▶▶ stevie, replying to karenovirus, 4, #22 of 872 🔗

I remember those days. Pubs would remove all chairs and tables to get more people in – no social distancing allowed. Very busy as they weren’t allowed to stay open all afternoon. I think they wee a bit less strict on last orders though.

321423 ▶▶ Lms23, replying to Llamasaurus Rex, 7, #23 of 872 🔗

Merry Christmas, but it looks like mine’s been cancelled. Aside from just finding out that my county is going into Tier 4 on Saturday, MOH has a kidney stone on the move, which can be horrendously painful.
So, we won’t be going to my sister’s house for Xmas day. If MOH is still suffering, I’ll be having beans on toast or something…
Oh, well.
Same s***, different day.

321492 ▶▶▶ Mary Ann Dowrick, replying to Lms23, 6, #24 of 872 🔗

Kidney stones easily tx’d with IV medication to dilate the ureter. Go,to,A&E they aren’t busy right now. Seriously.

321814 ▶▶▶▶ Annie, replying to Mary Ann Dowrick, 1, #25 of 872 🔗

Hope they de-stone MOH right away. God bless.

321013 Llamasaurus Rex, replying to Llamasaurus Rex, 22, #26 of 872 🔗

The latest london calling is worth a listen…as always. I’ve crossed the rubicon some time ago, and am with James on this one.

321028 ▶▶ Nigel Sherratt, replying to Llamasaurus Rex, 13, #27 of 872 🔗

The Great Reset (aka Ze Grrate Reezet) is a real plan it’s just if the fat Emperor of the Middle Kingdom and Dr Strangelove can pull it off or not.

321046 ▶▶▶ Llamasaurus Rex, replying to Nigel Sherratt, 20, #28 of 872 🔗

Elsewhere James said it’s irrelevant whether it’s a co-ordinated plan or an elite consensus. He’s right. He also asserted “but it’s what’s happening right now”. The framing of this as a reset, conspiracy etc is distraction.
you don’t need to send orders from a bunker if lobbying, corruption, erosion of democratic balances, concentration of media ownership (inc big tech) means that elite agendas rule the day. The population is getting dumber and more addicted, atomised.

321061 ▶▶▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Llamasaurus Rex, 14, #29 of 872 🔗

That was Hitlers speciality, letting it be known verbally the direction he wanted to go and leaving it to his underlings to fight between themselves to produce and put their names to practices that best pleased their master.

321204 ▶▶▶▶▶ jonathan Palmer, replying to karenovirus, 13, #30 of 872 🔗

The principle was called working towards the fuhrer.The underlings would try to figure out which policy or action would please Hitler.It was encouraged because it negated any challenge to Hitlers position.it also made the governance of Nazi Germany extremely inefficient.The parallel is probably all these academics constantly appearing on tv and the press constantly calling for more harsher lockdowns.
Regarding the new mutant strain I believe that it isn’t part of the plan,yet,it is the sign of a desperate government trying to negate any opposition to the deeply unpopular Christmas decision.

321815 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Annie, replying to jonathan Palmer, 1, #31 of 872 🔗

You’ve got to be right there.

321577 ▶▶▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to karenovirus, 1, #32 of 872 🔗

i.e. delegation ?

321602 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ karenovirus, replying to JohnB, 1, #33 of 872 🔗

Not putting his name to or signing off on policies he knew to be criminal.

321751 ▶▶▶▶▶ Burlington, replying to karenovirus, 2, #34 of 872 🔗

Well One thing Boris has managed to do that Hitler couldn’t and that’s closing the Café de Paris.

321306 ▶▶▶ crimsonpirate, replying to Nigel Sherratt, 4, #35 of 872 🔗

other resets are available: CCP

321345 ▶▶▶▶ Nigel Sherratt, replying to crimsonpirate, 4, #36 of 872 🔗

Hence ‘Middle Kingdom’.

321014 Liewe, replying to Liewe, 22, #37 of 872 🔗

Morning from sunny South Africa, where rumor has it that alcohol prohibition will soon be introduced again. Beach closures has done nothing to slow the spread of our particular mutant. Mothballed Nightingale hospitals (tents with oxygen points) are being resurrected and the populace are thankfully ignoring the “mask up when outside your home”.

In the Western Cape we are estimated to reach our peak in about a week’s time. I feel for the healthcare workers – no Xmas for them….

321018 ▶▶ Chris John, replying to Liewe, 3, #38 of 872 🔗

Geseende Kersfees

321055 ▶▶▶ Liewe, replying to Chris John, 3, #39 of 872 🔗

Dankie, julle ook!

321708 ▶▶▶ bebophaircut, replying to Chris John, #40 of 872 🔗


321326 ▶▶ Sceptic in SA, replying to Liewe, 9, #41 of 872 🔗

As a fellow SA resident (UK citizen), I would be interested in your broader views on the whole COVID situation. 99% of my circle pretty much believe every word and a shit scared. I’m the other way, unsurprisingly. I think it’s gone way beyond the incompetence theory, and am onside with the “conspiracy” explanation i.e. a trojan horse for the great reset. I think the 2nd wave and then new strains are just further elements of the strategy, probably to keep testing the waters and see how far they can go without losing traction (and it seems like the answer is “forever”). I’d be completely unsurprised if there are more waves, more strains etc etc until everyone is completely desensitised to all the restrictions and the way is paved for the great reset

What’s your position, and that of your friends / family / colleagues?

321341 ▶▶▶ Nigel Sherratt, replying to Sceptic in SA, 1, #42 of 872 🔗

Have a look at Pandata from SA (as was my first wife). Includes the excellent Michael Levitt (NP 2013).


321437 ▶▶▶▶ Sceptic in SA, replying to Nigel Sherratt, #43 of 872 🔗

Thanks, will do

321019 Charlie Blue, replying to Charlie Blue, #44 of 872 🔗

Good morning all.
Anyone else able to access the link about Germany and Drosten’s paper? It just gets stuck loading for me.

321021 ▶▶ annie, replying to Charlie Blue, #45 of 872 🔗

Gave me no trouble.

321025 ▶▶▶ Charlie Blue, replying to annie, #46 of 872 🔗

Thanks Annie. I’ll try a different device later.

321020 Llamasaurus Rex, replying to Llamasaurus Rex, 10, #47 of 872 🔗

Just saw this, re qr passports https://www.breitbart.com/europe/2020/12/23/uk-govt-begins-work-on-corona-freedom-passports-denies-system-is-imminent/
imagine the worst…then times it by 10, and see the future.

321024 ▶▶ annie, replying to Llamasaurus Rex, 13, #48 of 872 🔗

You have a negative test.
You get a pass.
You step outside.
You pick up the bug.
You go down the pub.

321026 ▶▶▶ Llamasaurus Rex, replying to annie, 14, #49 of 872 🔗

It’s dumb from any point of view, except as another addition to means of control and social credit scoring etc. This whole thing is so obviously about sociopathic control IMO .
of course we’ve been tracked and traced for ages; gchq/5eyes can barely move for all the data on us. This just Mainstreams it and makes it something we’ve “consented” to.

321160 ▶▶▶ Ben, replying to annie, 11, #50 of 872 🔗

It’s not about health, but about control. Vaccines are integral to it

321030 ▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Llamasaurus Rex, 16, #51 of 872 🔗

As mentioned previously a negative test proves nothing except that the bearer was probably negative at the time they took the test but having an mot certificate for your vehicle will not prove that it is roadworthy the following day.

321034 ▶▶▶ Nigel Sherratt, replying to karenovirus, 2, #52 of 872 🔗

Or during the MOT test.

321035 ▶▶▶ annie, replying to karenovirus, 7, #53 of 872 🔗

…but it entitles you to go on driving it for a year, at whatever risk to yourself and other road users.

321045 ▶▶▶▶ karenovirus, replying to annie, 4, #54 of 872 🔗

Not exactly, you are just not allowed to without it even though having it will not save you from prosecution if a thug traffic cop finds a defect the following day.

321036 ▶▶▶ Llamasaurus Rex, replying to karenovirus, 12, #55 of 872 🔗

yes. But it’s not, as we here know, about “controlling the virus”.
with so much of this apparent “madness” I just see highly effective mani-ulation, gaslighting, triangulation, pull-push, ghosting, crumbtrailing, hoovering. The population is being abused and most don’t know how to break free. Stockholm syndrome spreading.

321391 ▶▶▶ Suitejb, replying to karenovirus, 3, #56 of 872 🔗

And a DBS check only shows that you had no criminal convictions the day the check was carried out.

321022 annie, replying to annie, 96, #57 of 872 🔗

Warmest greetings to all sceptics on Christmas Eve. Remember: every positive thought, every positive action, every act of defiance however tiny, is a blow against THEM.
Breathe air, hug people, sing carols, stay sane.

321031 ▶▶ Llamasaurus Rex, replying to annie, 41, #58 of 872 🔗

It’s funny, Annie, but I never liked the millennial style of hugging people. I was strictly firm handshake. I now hug every business colleague of mine whenever we meet. We know we are doing it as a defiant gesture….such tiny pleasures.

321032 ▶▶▶ Llamasaurus Rex, replying to Llamasaurus Rex, 21, #59 of 872 🔗

Elbow bumping is a great way to spot twats indoors without their masks on.

321119 ▶▶▶▶ Muzz Off, replying to Llamasaurus Rex, 9, #60 of 872 🔗

Hey now I like to elbow bump fellow skeptics ironically… before I give them a massive hug!

321432 ▶▶▶▶ Silke David, replying to Llamasaurus Rex, 3, #61 of 872 🔗

Watching a few people on tv elbow bump recently, I concluded that one has to stand closer than if you do a handshake. Faces are closer together.
I stick with handshakes.

321837 ▶▶▶▶▶ Hugh, replying to Silke David, #62 of 872 🔗

Aren’t you “supposed” to cough into your elbow?

321033 ▶▶▶ Nigel Sherratt, replying to Llamasaurus Rex, 12, #63 of 872 🔗

Just so long as there’s no more ‘Kiss of Peace’ nonsense at CofE.

321037 ▶▶▶▶ annie, replying to Nigel Sherratt, 17, #64 of 872 🔗

I’m with you there. The abolition of the the Horrible Holy Handshake is the only good thing that might come out of the bollox.

321333 ▶▶▶▶▶ Nigel Sherratt, replying to annie, 4, #65 of 872 🔗

We’ve heard less of Greta the Doom Goblin too.

321038 ▶▶▶▶ Llamasaurus Rex, replying to Nigel Sherratt, 2, #66 of 872 🔗

Puke making

321043 ▶▶▶ Fiona Walker, replying to Llamasaurus Rex, 11, #67 of 872 🔗

To be honest I’d be happy with a little bow, never been much of a a hugger or a shaker but It’s nothing to do with Covid for me, just a bit reserved!

321090 ▶▶▶▶ annie, replying to Fiona Walker, 8, #68 of 872 🔗

I’m not. hugger either, but it’s, like, symbolic!

321223 ▶▶▶▶▶ Graham3, replying to annie, #69 of 872 🔗

Hugs are drugs. (h/t the Simpsons)

321473 ▶▶▶▶▶ Judy watson, replying to annie, 3, #70 of 872 🔗

Same here no one is going to tell me that I can’t give some one a hug. I would do it all the more. I ain’t a huggy kissey sort of person eithet

321047 ▶▶ karenovirus, replying to annie, 10, #71 of 872 🔗

Shook hands with three work associates yesterday.

321099 ▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to annie, 12, #72 of 872 🔗

Merry Christmas from HMP London and thank you for all your posts be they funny, thoughtful, barnstorming!

321243 ▶▶▶ arfurmo, replying to Bart Simpson, 4, #73 of 872 🔗

With good behaviour you could be free this time next year.

321600 ▶▶ DomW, replying to annie, 1, #74 of 872 🔗

Yesterday two hugs, one handshake

Today a proper 15s hug with one of the huggers from yesterday; Played him the Boris Johnson song too, which he loved

Several friendly chats with (until a few months ago) strangers on my walk today.

Bought above song, so has other half.

On a roll!

321646 ▶▶ Spikedee1, replying to annie, 7, #75 of 872 🔗

Just walked the dog over Burnham on crouch. What pandemic? No masks, people chatting (especially fellow dog walkers) buying hot chocolate. Okay the pubs were shut and the poor shop owners but it was bloody cold but lovely. Of course we had to drive home past the coop with the queue of mask wearers outside. My wife said do NOT shout out! Can I point and laugh? Okay, result. Thank you Poppy, my Cocker spaniel for keeping me sane. Merry Christmas everyone. Keep strong and don’t let the bastards grind you down.

321820 ▶▶▶ Annie, replying to Spikedee1, 1, #76 of 872 🔗

We used to love Burnham on Crouch.The huge skies, the river, the seafood, the pretty buildings, the yachts. Then we’d go to Bradwell-on-Sea and walk down to the Saxon church. Happy days.

321658 ▶▶ Steeve, replying to annie, #77 of 872 🔗

Affirmative! Christmas Greetings Annie.

321880 ▶▶ theanalyst, replying to annie, #78 of 872 🔗

100% spot on Annie. Thank you! There was singing in the car, singing on zoom , but not singing in the church. They can sing in the Church in France but not in UK. We sing anyway. Have a good few days.

321027 John Stone, replying to John Stone, 29, #79 of 872 🔗

John Lee writes: “Of course we should do everything possible to help vulnerable groups shield themselves and vaccinate at the earliest opportunity.” But if the virus is becoming more benign (as he describes) should we be risking these liability free products using completely new technologies, and brought to the market a breakneck speed?


Has anyone noticed that Ferguson is funded by the vaccine industry?



And the government Johnson, Hancock et al have been disasterously focussed on a vaccine solution


which is why we are where we are.

321058 ▶▶ John Stone, replying to John Stone, 18, #80 of 872 🔗

Meanwhile, the WHO have changed the definition of herd immunity to make it dependent on vaccines not tens of millions of years of evolution:

//:0 //:0

321098 ▶▶▶ PastImperfect, replying to John Stone, 9, #81 of 872 🔗

How can anyone trust that organisation?

321139 ▶▶▶▶ PaulH, replying to PastImperfect, 10, #82 of 872 🔗

You can’t. Look at Tedros’ background for starters and how he got the job through CCP string pulling.

321210 ▶▶▶▶▶ PastImperfect, replying to PaulH, #83 of 872 🔗

My question was rhetorical.

321316 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ PaulH, replying to PastImperfect, 3, #84 of 872 🔗

Don’t worry I got your drift 🙂

But some people don’t know the whole sordid story of this “doctor’s” career.

321230 ▶▶▶▶▶ John Stone, replying to PaulH, 5, #85 of 872 🔗

Tedros was already part of the Gates entourage in 2007.

321101 ▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to John Stone, 17, #86 of 872 🔗

Something stinks with that one.

Much as Trump got a lot of things wrong he’s right that the WHO should be defunded.

321318 ▶▶▶▶ PaulH, replying to Bart Simpson, 3, #87 of 872 🔗

Trump got the WHO right. But then, typically, he blew the money on GAVI instead.

321171 ▶▶▶ Janette, replying to John Stone, #88 of 872 🔗

Absolutely crazy!

321215 ▶▶▶ jonathan Palmer, replying to John Stone, 9, #89 of 872 🔗

They have already changed the definition of a pandemic.Those who see no conspiracy should look closely.If you control the WHO then you control the response to this crisis.look at the funding and make up of the WHO and see who they serve.

321258 ▶▶▶▶ John Stone, replying to jonathan Palmer, 4, #90 of 872 🔗

There were huge warnings with swine flu episode:


But they were never held to account so they just went and did it again on a vastly larger scale.

321346 ▶▶▶▶▶ jonathan Palmer, replying to John Stone, 5, #91 of 872 🔗

Computing forever did a good piece on this.He came to the conclusion that they failed because the media were prepared to question a lot more and it was before the ubiquitousness of social media

321059 ▶▶ John Stone, replying to John Stone, 7, #92 of 872 🔗

Meanwhile, the WHO have changed the definition of herd immunity to make it dependent on vaccines not tens of millions of years of evolution:


321163 ▶▶ Ben, replying to John Stone, 5, #93 of 872 🔗

John Lee is endorsing the vaccinations?

I despair

321249 ▶▶▶ John Stone, replying to Ben, 4, #94 of 872 🔗

Yes, I don’t get it. Admittedly I have been a critic of the vaccine lobby for a long time but I do not understand how anyone can rationally witness what they’ve done this year and be confident that it is wise. Also, it seems to me to be ethically questionable to give a general endorsement. This is surely outside anyone’s competence – OK most politicians and journalist’s don’t know any better but it is not their business to advocate medical treatments. Should never be.

321441 ▶▶▶▶ Ben, replying to John Stone, 3, #95 of 872 🔗

He must be controlled opposition. Perhaps Karol Sikora is too. I find controlled opposition to be the biggest traitors of this scenario

321314 ▶▶ PaulH, replying to John Stone, 9, #96 of 872 🔗

And notice how quickly HCQ+Zinc was buried by the legacy media.

And look how patients were overdosed in the UK “trial” of this treatment.



If this had been deliberately set up to fail they could not have done “better”.

321360 ▶▶▶ John Stone, replying to PaulH, 1, #97 of 872 🔗

Yes, the HCQ scandal seemed to get completely buried in this country, meanwhile the return of usual suspects few questions asked (none about Horby).

321443 ▶▶▶ Ben, replying to PaulH, 2, #98 of 872 🔗

And also how a hydroxycholoquine factory in Taiwan exploded. Pharma is a mafia

321839 ▶▶ Hugh, replying to John Stone, 1, #99 of 872 🔗

Seems Johnson was reassuring big pharma that they would still call the shots after the UK-EU free trade deal was announced – “vaccines are the only way out” (or words to that effect), no mention of vitamin D or nutritional medicine. I wonder why?

321039 karenovirus, replying to karenovirus, 5, #100 of 872 🔗

From Toby’s piece
You don’t have to go abroad to see this. Round my way if they do roadworks in particular streets they place roadblocks and multiple division signs three sides around the block even though the road is one-way and you are being directed to go the way you have to anyway.
This is not an accidental mind slip it is ubiquitous.

As in the article about part time cycling restrictions, we have a number of roads that are clearly signed

‘Buses only 07.30-09.15’

But in an ongoing display of sheepleness 95% of the traffic sticks to the busy main lane all day long giving me the occasional irritated toot as I whizz down beside them.

321054 ▶▶ mhcp, replying to karenovirus, 3, #101 of 872 🔗

The 2 or more lane on the Bristol bypass is a great example. It’s only active at certain times but most people avoid driving in it in the morning when the lane isn’t active. So a dual carriageway becomes a single lane.

321273 ▶▶ Ewan Duffy, replying to karenovirus, 5, #102 of 872 🔗

Many years ago my brother was driving in such a bus lane in Dublin (operational from 0700-1000 and 1200-1900).

He was stopped by a Garda (police officer) and asked to explain why he was driving in a bus lane. He asked the Garda what time it was. 1130. He then asked him to check the operational hours. Needless to say he was not ticketed. Also needless to say, no apology received because these thicks don’t apologise.

321040 Cecil B, replying to Cecil B, 69, #103 of 872 🔗

Toby, Merry Christmas to you and yours, and all the team at LS

Sincere thanks to you for confronting this evil

Merry Christmas also to those who have contributed articles and comments

From the forthright biker, to annie, to ‘k’s daily battle daily battle to run a cafe in the face of mind numbing ignorance

We fought the good fight

321044 ▶▶ Cecil B, replying to Cecil B, 8, #104 of 872 🔗

On this device i come up as ceci, not Cecil B,

321049 ▶▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Cecil B, 2, #105 of 872 🔗

I had not realised that you were one and the same. Merry Christmas Cecil.

321279 ▶▶▶ CGL, replying to Cecil B, 1, #106 of 872 🔗

You have been showing as that for a few days Cecil – I knew it was you though! 🙂

321051 ▶▶ kh1485, replying to Cecil B, 36, #107 of 872 🔗

Thank you. And Merry Christmas to you all. Thank you so much for your support and to Toby and Will et al for giving us the platform to share thoughts, information and most of all for the humour, without which I would definitely have gone under. Thanks one and all.

321086 ▶▶▶ annie, replying to kh1485, 20, #108 of 872 🔗

kh, you have been an inspiration to us all, I admire you more than I can say.

321094 ▶▶▶▶ kh1485, replying to annie, 16, #109 of 872 🔗

And you too Annie. Your rallying cries have carried me through some dark days, believe me.

321271 ▶▶▶▶ Stringfellow Hawke, replying to annie, 8, #110 of 872 🔗

I second that. Thank you & God bless kh.

321083 ▶▶ annie, replying to Cecil B, 18, #111 of 872 🔗

We will go on.
Cecil, we need more of your brilliant newsflashes from the Gulag, they make my day!
God bless us every one.

321041 karenovirus, replying to karenovirus, 17, #112 of 872 🔗

Toby asks “is Hancock going to conjure up a new strain every time he wants to tighten the lockdown ratchet ?”

Joe Stalin was good at this but at least there was a purpose. For decades he would conjure up one conspiracy after another long after he had rid himself of real enemies.
These imaginary conspiracies allowed him to arrest millions to feed the Gulag and so achieve the 5 Year Plan to build heavy industry with slave Labour.

321145 ▶▶ PaulH, replying to karenovirus, 6, #113 of 872 🔗

Yep. It’s important to understand that to most people here these scare tactics are just risible in the same way that Stalin’s show trials were ridiculous to any independent minded person.

But they are good enough to frighten large numbers of low-information people who get their “facts” from the BBC and the rest of the legacy media.

Until these folk start rejecting the narrative in large numbers, this madness will just keep rolling.

321343 ▶▶▶ Will, replying to PaulH, 1, #114 of 872 🔗

Right but I just wonder are enough people who comment here rejecting the narrative?

I personally disagree with the measures, but I am still following them – leading to guilt. Until people like me step up, it’ll continue.

321454 ▶▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Will, 4, #115 of 872 🔗

Refusing to comply is the first step. That leads to setting a sane example. The more you do, the easier it gets.

321541 ▶▶▶▶▶ rose, replying to Cheezilla, 1, #116 of 872 🔗

A record 6 people were without masks in Aldi yesterday. Only me in the garden centre today

321328 ▶▶ Nigel Sherratt, replying to karenovirus, 2, #117 of 872 🔗

Achieved a year early 2+2 = 5.

321042 karenovirus, replying to karenovirus, 6, #118 of 872 🔗

o/t but you have to feel for the redundant air flight crew who retrained as long distance lorry drivers.

321251 ▶▶ Two-Six, replying to karenovirus, 3, #119 of 872 🔗


321752 ▶▶▶ bebophaircut, replying to Two-Six, #120 of 872 🔗

Look out, it’s raining squash!

321048 Girl down Under, replying to Girl down Under, 69, #121 of 872 🔗

Merry Christmas everyone, it’s true Toby, all of you have kept me sane, a refuge from the mainstream media and hysteria of governments here. Mask madness is everywhere. Today I went to the cemetery to put flowers on my grandmother’s grave. There was a fellow sat on a bench amongst the graves with a mask on reading a book. I was so tempted to go over and say, ‘mate, these people have no chance of recovery’, my husband was so relieved I didn’t. God Bless you all, keep the faith, we will regroup for better days very soon. 💖

321050 ▶▶ Waldorf, replying to Girl down Under, 18, #122 of 872 🔗

Reminds me of a sitcom decades ago with Arthur Lowe as an Irish Catholic priest. He is sitting in a cemetery with his young curate. The curate comments on how peaceful and quiet it is. His response – “You can hardly expect a riot.”

321864 ▶▶ Girl down Under, replying to Girl down Under, 1, #123 of 872 🔗

I never saw that, but Arthur Lowe is a legend. Absolutely brilliant in Dad’s Army. Was it him in The Plank as well?

321052 cathnotchas, 27, #124 of 872 🔗

Thanks again to Toby, Wills et al for helping keep me (and all of us I’m sure) sane this past nine months. I have not wavered since day one and just want the madness to end.
Merry Christmas everyone.

321053 Fingerache Philip., replying to Fingerache Philip., 19, #125 of 872 🔗

Mixed emotions yesterday in Stourbridge: In a mask “recommended” area, a “prole” proudly tucking in to a cholesterol loaded bacon or sausage sandwich which looked about 2,000 calories, but then during the afternoon when my wife went to have her hair “done”, one of the hairdressers, a sociable girl in her twenties proudly announced that she was going to spend Christmas day on her own.
I’ll stick with the memory of the bloke with his “piece”, and his expression of “F××k you lot of sheep “.

321082 ▶▶ annie, replying to Fingerache Philip., 7, #126 of 872 🔗

Hope the silly little butch has a miserable time.
What in hell are these cretins afraid of ?

321164 ▶▶▶ Fingerache Philip., replying to annie, 3, #127 of 872 🔗


321108 ▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to Fingerache Philip., 11, #128 of 872 🔗

If I was the mum of that hairdresser I’d take offence at being treated like a leper. By my own daughter.

321056 Steve Martindale, replying to Steve Martindale, 38, #129 of 872 🔗

It is customary at the end of the year to look at summaries and I was considering the amount of legislation that has been thrown at this virus? looking at the Hansard Coronavirus legislation dashboard;
It states;
How many Coronavirus-related Statutory Instruments has the government laid before the UK Parliament?
The government has laid 327 Coronavirus-related Statutory Instruments (SIs) before the UK Parliament.
The first two Coronavirus-related SIs were laid on 28 January and 10 February 2020, respectively. The rest have been laid since 6 March, at an average rate since then of eight per completed week.

To my mind this level of legislation indicates deranged, megalomaniac, control freak Government of the most ineffective,damaging and tyrannical kind. And to make matters worse this pesky virus does not seem to have read any of this legislation and just carries on regardless. Setting the legislative framework for the country is a prime duty of Parliament and so to my mind how so many MPs can give their agreement to this maelstrom af hellish legislation just beggars belief.

321074 ▶▶ Tom Blackburn, replying to Steve Martindale, 9, #130 of 872 🔗

Say what you like about Sweden (everyone has an opinion) but they took a longitudinal approach from the outset. The bedwetters cream their knickers when new guidelines come in there whilst we lurch from lockdown to Tiers to Eat Out to lockdown again. I think they are now addicted to the ‘drama’ of it all.

321138 ▶▶ PaulH, replying to Steve Martindale, 13, #131 of 872 🔗

Hancock said the was “out of control”.

It isn’t. But the government is.

321057 Charlie Blue, replying to Charlie Blue, 12, #132 of 872 🔗

Have we seen this petition before? Mike Yeadon tweeted it

Do not start mass testing in schools or require asymptomatic students to isolateThe Government should not roll out mass testing in places of education and end mandatory isolation if children do not have symptoms.

321195 ▶▶ Marialta, replying to Charlie Blue, 10, #133 of 872 🔗

Signed and shared- testing asymptomatic children is such an important issue and I’m sure in the New Year were going to see children becoming the next target. What are the effects of suggesting to children that they may be spreading an illness around, when they don’t feel ill? It beggars belief that educators will support this.

321287 ▶▶▶ CGL, replying to Marialta, 2, #134 of 872 🔗

They already are – I had the email 2 days ago. Starting when they go back (IF they go back)

321257 ▶▶ Two-Six, replying to Charlie Blue, 1, #135 of 872 🔗


321060 PatrickF, 22, #136 of 872 🔗

I owe the UK an apology. I have to assume that I have the virus and am therefore a spreader. I hope you will find it in your hearts to forgive me and all the other 67 million spreaders. I was going to hide in shame in South Africa, but that’s now not on the cards.
Lettuce is the antidote, but the Mutant Ninja virus eat them all last week. Pray God that sprouts work!
Off to Sainsbury’s soon, to spread good cheer. And the virus…..obviously.

321063 Michael May, replying to Michael May, 51, #137 of 872 🔗

The EU isn’t working, so the solution is more EU.
Lockdowns aren’t working, so the solution is more lockdowns.

If I could posts images, I’d post this one: comment image ?itemid=16555922

321064 ▶▶ Michael May, replying to Michael May, 14, #138 of 872 🔗

Oh, wow! I never expected that to work! 😀

321066 ▶▶▶ Cecil B, replying to Michael May, 11, #139 of 872 🔗

The only thing working in the UK at the moment

321092 ▶▶ kh1485, replying to Michael May, 10, #140 of 872 🔗

I’d love one of those for my shop!

321109 ▶▶▶ PoshPanic, replying to kh1485, 2, #141 of 872 🔗

Santa might bring you one, he’s probably got them on backorder lol

321275 ▶▶▶ Ewan Duffy, replying to kh1485, 2, #142 of 872 🔗

I want one for my desk.

321115 ▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to Michael May, 10, #143 of 872 🔗

It’s the textbook case of insanity isn’t it? Do the same thing over and over again and hoping for a different result.

321755 ▶▶ bebophaircut, replying to Michael May, 2, #144 of 872 🔗

Is that the Prime Minister?

321065 cathnotchas, replying to cathnotchas, 43, #145 of 872 🔗

Btw, I am a 76 year old biddie with a chronic respiratory illness. I do not want the vaccine.

321073 ▶▶ cathnotchas, replying to cathnotchas, #146 of 872 🔗

This is a PS to my earlier post below!

321078 ▶▶ annie, replying to cathnotchas, 5, #147 of 872 🔗

Stand up to them, my heroine!

321134 ▶▶ PaulH, replying to cathnotchas, 28, #148 of 872 🔗

Neither do my 83 year old parents! They didn’t catch Corona when I had it over last Christmas at their home, so it’s pretty obvious they are immune from some previous infection.

Why would they now want to take something with zero benefits and serious possible health risks? “To save granny” perhaps? Really?

All they want is their freedom back and the country back to normal. The OLD normal – not one with QR health codes, vaccine passports, stupid face nappies and Stasi-type snooping.

This year’s madness will soon have wasted a precious year of their remaining active lives. That’s frankly criminal.

321757 ▶▶▶ bebophaircut, replying to PaulH, 1, #149 of 872 🔗

The Stasi Snoopers were always around. Now there’s more of them.

321067 Nick Rose, replying to Nick Rose, 16, #150 of 872 🔗

Enjoy your break Tony. BTW, isn’t SAGE supposed to advise the government, not lobby it via the Press? Time for some political sackings, methinks.

321068 ▶▶ TC, replying to Nick Rose, 19, #151 of 872 🔗

SAGE members seem to have been engaged in briefing/leaking to the press/media since the very first days of this epidemic without any sanction whatsoever applied against them.
If one of my employees did that to me then they would be dismissed.
A sign of weakness by the Prime Muppet – a spineless man.

321069 Bart Simpson, replying to Bart Simpson, 57, #152 of 872 🔗

Before I sit down to read today’s update and comments, I would like to wish Toby and the rest of the Lockdown Sceptics team a very Merry Christmas. Your hard work bringing us what many in the mainstream media and the government refuse to engage in has been a huge source of facts that I’ve been using to debate with lockdownistas.

And of course Merry Christmas too to the lovely readers and commenters here, you have been a beacon of common sense, rationality, knowledge and humour all throughout this shit show. There are times I’ve felt down but you have rallied around be it to like my comments, reply, give words of comfort and offer advice. I can’t thank all of you enough.

Mr Bart and I will be sitting down to enjoy our Christmas together but our thoughts will be with people we know who will be alone especially Mr Bart’s dad who we have been unable to visit due to the insanity not only of the rules here but also in the Democratic People’s Republic of Scotland.

Let’s all stay strong and keep our heads held high.

Merry Christmas and God bless us every one!

321070 ▶▶ PatrickF, replying to Bart Simpson, 10, #153 of 872 🔗

And to you and Mr Bart! Regards from Tunbridge Wells.

321218 ▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to PatrickF, 7, #154 of 872 🔗

Festive greetings from HMP London!!!

321076 ▶▶ annie, replying to Bart Simpson, 9, #155 of 872 🔗

God bless you both! From a free soul in Gulag Wales.

321106 ▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to annie, 6, #156 of 872 🔗

Thanks and best wishes from the inmates in HMP London.

321077 ▶▶ kh1485, replying to Bart Simpson, 6, #157 of 872 🔗

To you also Bart. Thank you so much for your kindness and responses to my many rants and thoughts. The support you have provided has been invaluable.

321104 ▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to kh1485, 4, #158 of 872 🔗

You’re welcome. And same to you as well, all the best and still have the trip to your cafe on my list now moved to next year.

321117 ▶▶▶▶ kh1485, replying to Bart Simpson, 4, #159 of 872 🔗

I hope to see you then. I think you would really like the People’s Republic of SW – in ‘normal’ times we have a fantastic Concert Hall (Saffron Hall) and Audley End House is a delight.

321125 ▶▶▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to kh1485, 2, #160 of 872 🔗

I’ve been to Audley End House in the past but not to Saffron Walden itself. Was planning to make a trip until Lockdown 2 put a kibosh to my plans.

321219 ▶▶▶ Sam Vimes, replying to kh1485, 3, #161 of 872 🔗

KH, I’m a bit late to the party, but I’m apalled that someone ‘had a go’. Even more so that it was on here. Don’t know what happened, but if you said something stupid, I would expect folk on here to robustly correct you, however I very much doubt that was the case. Stay strong, stay *you* and try to enjoy the upcoming strange celebration. I can’t bring myself to say the words ‘Merry Christmas’. Oh, damn. 🙂

321236 ▶▶▶▶ kh1485, replying to Sam Vimes, 3, #162 of 872 🔗

Thanks Sam and thank you also for your comedic interventions. “Smite them with your salt beef” will stay with me forever! Sincere seasonal wishes to you and Lady Cybil!

321079 ▶▶ Llamasaurus Rex, replying to Bart Simpson, 4, #163 of 872 🔗

Back atcha Bart. From a soon-to-be tier 4 Andean outpost. 🦙

321095 ▶▶▶ Margaret, replying to Llamasaurus Rex, 7, #164 of 872 🔗

Merry Christmas and a happier new year to everyone.

The article above, on what is happening in Germany, gives me hope. I’ve sent it to my MP-he needs to understand why I’m so angry.

321107 ▶▶ PoshPanic, replying to Bart Simpson, 5, #165 of 872 🔗

Merry Christmas to the Simpsons, from the Panic household

321122 ▶▶ Poppy, replying to Bart Simpson, 4, #166 of 872 🔗

Merry Christmas!

321216 ▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to Poppy, 2, #167 of 872 🔗

And to you, your family and your boyfriend!

321071 alw, replying to alw, 1, #168 of 872 🔗

Londons figures yesterday. Hancock continues with the lies.

321128 ▶▶ TC, replying to alw, 10, #169 of 872 🔗

Does anyone in this country believe a word he says now?
Someone told me yesterday that her partner who I’ve taken to be an equable quiet retired ex miner wanted to punch him in the facewhen he last saw him on TV.
Judging from comments on here,he’d have to join an awfully long queue.

321291 ▶▶▶ CGL, replying to TC, 5, #170 of 872 🔗

I am rather hoping to find his head on a stick under my tree tomorrow – that would be the best present ever.

321323 ▶▶ jonathan Palmer, replying to alw, 4, #171 of 872 🔗

They can continue to lie because the Commons and the media are not doing their job in holding the Government to account.

321506 ▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to jonathan Palmer, 1, #172 of 872 🔗

The public is at fault too.
The PTB have gone from crying “Wolf!” to crying “Fire-breathing dragons!!!” and the sheeple still swallow the bollox whole.

321072 Tim Bidie, replying to Tim Bidie, 9, #173 of 872 🔗

I mentioned similarities between today’s medico/political weird out and the McCarthyism of the U.S.A. in the early 1950s

One immediate and telling response on here was that ‘McCarthy was right’

McCarthyism disintegrated in four years but clearly still has a long shadow. It was also one manifestation of a much wider political battle.

The political terror of the early 1950s, in which McCarthy was to play the role of a bush league Robespierre, was set off by wider forces and conflicts than a quarrel over whether or not the Roosevelt and Truman administrations had been penetrated by foreign agents.’

In the eyes of celebrity liberalism, those up in arms about the government’s acceptance of communist ambition were the unappetizing people of the dull world of the lower middle class. They were the piano-legged babushkas of American politics, stolid Slavs and such, thick of finger and numb of mind. In the ongoing kulturkampf dividing the society, the elites of Hollywood, Cambridge and liberal think-tankery had little sympathy for bow-legged men with their American Legion caps…’


So not much changes.

But the point is, lockdown scepticism is a long game and, frustratingly slow though it may be, the arguments made by this site and elsewhere are gaining traction.

It is also a wide game and many agendas are hitched to the minor common cold coronavirus ‘national emergency’ bandwagon.

In the U.S. Senator Merkley has suggested that the incoming President should declare a national climate emergency which would give him emergency powers to bypass the Senate in the same way that Democrat state governors have done with their COVID lockdowns

Declaring the climate crisis a national emergency under the NEA would not only send a powerful signal about the urgency of bold action, it would unlock powers that allow our nation to take significant, concrete actions regardless of congressional gridlock.’


The importance of this site and others like it is to make sure the wheels come off the illiberal totalitarian and extremist lockdown bandwagon. Everything else follows from that.

All the data is on the sceptical side so when the wheels do finally come off the covid bandwagon, as come off they undoubtedly will, the interventionist ‘Robespierres’ and ‘Savonarolas’ will end up very much as Senator McCarthy did:

This loutish, duplicitous bully, who carried, not the names of Reds but bottles of hootch in his briefcase died in disgrace and of alcoholism.’ (Reference above)

321075 ▶▶ annie, replying to Tim Bidie, 2, #174 of 872 🔗

Wankok and McCarthy must be related.

321091 ▶▶▶ Llamasaurus Rex, replying to annie, 4, #175 of 872 🔗

Of all the names for Wankok, Wankok makes me laugh the most.

321111 ▶▶▶▶ kh1485, replying to Llamasaurus Rex, 8, #176 of 872 🔗

It may have been wishful thinking on my part but I swear that I heard Nigel Farage pronounce MH’s name as ‘Handcock’ during a recent interview.

321459 ▶▶▶▶ Salopian, replying to Llamasaurus Rex, 1, #177 of 872 🔗

Mutant Matt Wancock

321118 ▶▶ TJN, replying to Tim Bidie, 2, #178 of 872 🔗

These historical parallels are most interesting and informative.

From my vague recollections of Mackay’s Extraordinary Popular Delusions , which I read a very long time ago, and the history of financial bubbles, I imagined back in March that the covid hysteria may last a few months, perhaps even six months.

But here we are, into ten months and no sign of a let-up yet. I wonder if there is indeed anything to be gleaned about the duration of the sort of mass mania we are going through from historical examples. I haven’t got the time at the moment to go back through the text books, but the four year example of McCarthyism doesn’t sound encouraging.

No matter. Carry on.

321140 ▶▶▶ Waldorf, replying to TJN, 3, #179 of 872 🔗

I don’t call it “McCarthyism”, more the “Red Scare”. McCarthy came to prominence in 1950. But they started going after “Reds” in Hollywood in 1947 – the “Hollywood Ten”. McCarthy was a Senator but the House Committee on Un-American Activities (HUAC) was connected to the House of Representatives. McCarthy coincided with the Korean War, which lasted three years. Significantly he fell from grace after the war was over.

321201 ▶▶▶▶ TJN, replying to Waldorf, 2, #180 of 872 🔗

I need to read up on that. I’ve read The Crucible, which is a take on it, and much of what is going on now has parallels with 17th-century witch hunting.

321269 ▶▶▶▶▶ Waldorf, replying to TJN, 3, #181 of 872 🔗

The Red Scare ran approximately from 1947 to the late 1950s – some of the bureaucratic traces outlived his influence. McCarthy lost influence in 1954 when hearings he conducted into Communist influence in the US Army made him look bad (they were televised and McCarthy was not photogenic). His associate, Roy Cohn, remained in the public eye and was a mentor of the young Donald Trump.
As late as 1958, US authorities deported William Heikkila, a Finnish-born man, on the grounds that he had been a Communist in the 1930s. Heikkila was picked up from his workplace in California and stuck on a plane to Helsinki, still wearing lightweight clothing unsuited to the Finnish climate. After legal pressure Heikkila was brought back to the USA and died there a few years later, still fighting deportation attempts.

321144 ▶▶ SweetBabyCheeses, replying to Tim Bidie, #182 of 872 🔗

Hold on, McCarthy wasn’t right was he? Or was he? Please excuse my ignorance, the Cold War not a period in history I know a huge amount about! I read this book a while ago but let me know if anyone has any good recommendations

321449 ▶▶▶ TyRade, replying to SweetBabyCheeses, 3, #183 of 872 🔗

best, very much counter prevailing ‘wisdom, book on McCarthy is ‘Blacklisted by History’ by M. Stanton Evans. Evans enjoyed access to newly available official documents of the era. Found McCarthy was indeed far more right than wrong. But his face, background, and manners did not fit (sound familiar?!). His reputation is still being trashed on a permanent loop; truth will not be allowed out. Under the smoke of this hue and cry, The Left has quietly taken over the commanding heights of all US institutions: academia, judiciary, media, politics, technology. Sorry, meant ‘all Western institutions’.

321742 ▶▶▶▶ Waldorf, replying to TyRade, 1, #184 of 872 🔗

Actually even anti-Communists thought McCarthy was going too far. Whittaker Chambers for example thought he was going to make some huge mistake eventually and discredit the cause of anti-Communism. His campaign against Communists in the US Army failed to gain traction – tens of thousands of US soldiers had been killed fighting in Korea, while McCarthy’s associate Roy Cohn had evaded military service in both WW2 and the Korean War. McCarthy came across badly on television, and the sight of him and the equally unphotogenic Cohn talking tactics together with a hand muffling the microphone made them both look unappetising. Newspaper reporting tended to favour McCarthy – even hostile reporting drew attention to him, but TV coverage diminished him.
It is notable that J. Edgar Hoover had fed FBI information to him and they were photographed together but after the Army hearings he decided McCarthy was damaged goods and ceased backing him.
He also lost backing in the Republican Party – his claims that the Truman government had been treasonable did not damage his standing but when he started to say the treason continued under the Republican Eisenhower he undercut himself.
The Cohn factor has also to be taken into account – Cohn had tried to pull strings for a staffer and friend of his named G.David Schine who had been called up into the US armed forces. When this failed it was widely believed that he encouraged McCarthy to go after the Army in retaliation. Cohn and Schine were rumoured to be homosexual lovers. McCarthy was urged by other Senators to get rid of Cohn but he didn’t.
A biography of Cohn, “Citizen Cohn” by Nicholas von Hoffman, published 1988, is good on this period and subsequently.

321322 ▶▶ Nigel Sherratt, replying to Tim Bidie, 3, #185 of 872 🔗

McCarthy history was big when I was at school in 60s, Crucible (Miller), protest songs etc. The boot is on the other foot now of course with the Woke out McCarthying McCarthy.

It’s when we learned about ‘Pleading the 5th’ which many did before HUAC.

321080 Cecil B, replying to Cecil B, 21, #186 of 872 🔗

I’ve just opened my Christmas Card from the pig dictator and the idiot half child and it reads

Lockdown One didn’t work Your fault
Track and Trace didn’t work Your fault
Second lockdown didn’t work Your fault
Firebreaks didn’t work Your fault
Closing pubs didn’t work Your fault
Masks failed Your fault
Mutant virus Your fault
Mass testing failed Your fault
Hospitals failing Your fault
Social distancing failed Your fault
Tiers failed Your fault
3rd lockdown fail Your fault
Economic crash Your fault

321084 ▶▶ PatrickF, replying to Cecil B, 8, #187 of 872 🔗

Refusing to believe lies. Your fault.

321087 ▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Cecil B, 3, #188 of 872 🔗

So he’s not blaming us for the Exponential rise in suicides then ?

321088 ▶▶ Llamasaurus Rex, replying to Cecil B, 1, #189 of 872 🔗

Pig dictator narc blame shifting.
‘Idiot half child’ 😂

321217 ▶▶ Basics, replying to Cecil B, 1, #190 of 872 🔗

Good list. These are reasons why people can wake up once the failures are pointed out to them. The list sows tge seed of doubt in some. A reflection for a period of time and perhaps one or two more failures added during that reflection period.

Perhaps giving that list in a christmas card isn’t such a bad idea.

321313 ▶▶ Nigel Sherratt, replying to Cecil B, #191 of 872 🔗

Vaccine triumph (because we say so) Our heroic rescue.

321401 ▶▶ Girl down Under, replying to Cecil B, 1, #192 of 872 🔗

Our health minister bandies the word ‘complacency’ around, pointed at we citizens of NSW. He names people when it suits him, but then admonishes people on social media for the same behaviour. Then it is not a ‘blame game’. Folks we have 2 people in hospital in NSW not in ICU. Australia wide 21 in hospital not in ICU. Around 20 odd million in this country. Go figure.

321081 PatrickF, replying to PatrickF, 16, #193 of 872 🔗

There has never been, nor ever will be any progress in human endeavours without scepticism.

321763 ▶▶ bebophaircut, replying to PatrickF, #194 of 872 🔗

David Hume was good at it.

321085 alw, 6, #195 of 872 🔗

Figures for the Overberg region of Western Cape approx 80 miles from Cape Town. Total population 267,000. Cases 481, that’s 0.167% of the population. Wankcock muddies the waters yet again.

321089 alw, replying to alw, 3, #196 of 872 🔗

Figures for the Overberg region of Western Cape approx 80 miles from Cape Town. Total population 267,000. Cases 481, that’s 0.167% of the population. Wankcock muddies the waters yet again.

321103 ▶▶ dpj, replying to alw, 4, #197 of 872 🔗

It looks like from BBC story the entire ‘dangerous new South African variant’ story seems to be based on tweets by one individual who seems to be their equivalent of Whitty or Vallance. Has anyone checked his background to see what connections he has to big pharma or Gates?

321310 ▶▶▶ Nigel Sherratt, replying to dpj, 1, #198 of 872 🔗

Much better to check with Pandata which is SA based and doing great work.


321093 alw, 18, #199 of 872 🔗

Merry Christmas and Happy New Year to Toby and crew and all readers of Lockdown Sceptics.

321096 Tom Blackburn, replying to Tom Blackburn, 3, #200 of 872 🔗
321224 ▶▶ Victoria, replying to Tom Blackburn, 3, #201 of 872 🔗

He should concentrate on the flock and not petty politics

321097 PatrickF, replying to PatrickF, 8, #202 of 872 🔗

Anyone missing Kay Burley? Thought not.

321102 ▶▶ Tom Blackburn, replying to PatrickF, 7, #203 of 872 🔗

There is not exactly a long line of sceptics ready to take her place. Apologies to be negative but there is nobody in MSM to ‘hang our hat on’. I’m enjoying Piers Morgan’s lad coming out as a strong LS However.

321100 PatrickF, 12, #204 of 872 🔗

Mummy, what’s hospitality?
Something to do with the NHS, dear.

321105 TC, replying to TC, 10, #205 of 872 🔗

I sit here listening to Pink Floyd and pondering 9 months since the first lockdown.
When we were told in March to close, my 10 strong staff were so fearful that if my partner and I had suggested one or two stay to help us carry on with the work that would need to be done behind doors closed to the public,in military terms, they would have mutinied or simply deserted.
They were still scared when we met in late May planning to reopen and,in fairness,after a few weeks back at work they have stiffened up a bit.
Yesterday, I spoke with two about the virus and one still shows some fear of it having lost a relative’s wife at aged 69/70, accepting government death stats and assurances hospitals were being overrun.
I tried to counter her arguments but to no avail – she trusts the government.
The other person with whom I spoke said that her husband had decided the whole think was just rubbish and she was starting to agree with him so all is not yet lost.
On another note I’ve sent an eamail to Toby (wrong time of year,I know) asking for help in trrying to set upa template for an email to MPs giving concise real information on why lockdowms etc do not work.
Have as happy a Christmas as you can,Lockdown Scetics all.
We carry on.

321422 ▶▶ Girl down Under, replying to TC, 2, #206 of 872 🔗

Love Pink Floyd, came to appreciation later in life. ‘Wish you were here’ will be my funeral farewell. Sadly so many here with access to only mainstream media are terrified out of their wits.

321529 ▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Girl down Under, 2, #207 of 872 🔗

Shine on you crazy diamond!

321803 ▶▶ bebophaircut, replying to TC, #208 of 872 🔗

Anyone who trusts the government is a lost cause.

321110 GorbalsGirl, replying to GorbalsGirl, 31, #209 of 872 🔗

Who’s all up for crowdfunding a sceptic-only Scottish island and declaring indy? A wee Christmas present from us to us for us all to enjoy?

We could set up shop with some crofts, boats, and lots of guns. Maybe even open up a wee pub with some pictures of Krankie’s face on the urinals??

Any UK tax officials approach with the Frankenvaccine and we fill them will arrows just like those tribesmen on the Andaman Islands do. Those guys have the right idea about the world, which is pretty prescient all things considered. Even China stays away from them.

321124 ▶▶ Eliza P., replying to GorbalsGirl, 5, #210 of 872 🔗

Aw – too cold for a Southerner like me – and I hear tell there’s midges up in Scotland. Errrm….Scilly Isles sounds more like it to me – off the English coast and down South.

321135 ▶▶▶ GorbalsGirl, replying to Eliza P., 4, #211 of 872 🔗

Could be a winning idea that – if we all learn Cornish and wear those funny Welsh hats then maybe UNESCO will give us heritage protection and we can carry on merrily as if the 19th century never happened?

321299 ▶▶▶ CGL, replying to Eliza P., 1, #212 of 872 🔗

And we can live in Tier 1 – forever!!

321531 ▶▶▶▶ SweetBabyCheeses, replying to CGL, 3, #213 of 872 🔗

Tier 0! Tier 1 is still a bit shit… support bubbles, max six people, last orders at 10pm and no going to the bar, 15 people at a wedding and 30 at a funeral, limited interactions at church, limited indoor sport, live sport/gigs/conventions all limited, apocalyptic care homes, no NHS, not to mention all the track & trace, testing, masks, gel, anti-social distancing and constant fear porn
What a long way we’ve come that this distopia has become aspirational.

321133 ▶▶ Day 276 of lockdown, replying to GorbalsGirl, 7, #214 of 872 🔗

This is an idea that I am actively investigating. Found a lovely one in French Polynesia 😀 Sarigan

321300 ▶▶▶ CGL, replying to Day 276 of lockdown, #215 of 872 🔗

Yes – he was looking too wasn’t he!

321147 ▶▶ PaulH, replying to GorbalsGirl, 6, #216 of 872 🔗

Wee Krankie only likes independence when it puts her in charge.

She hates the idea when places like Shetlands start thinking about the idea!

321436 ▶▶▶ Ben, replying to PaulH, #217 of 872 🔗

I heard that the Shetlands don’t want independence from the UK, which makes things very complicated for Sturgeon.

I hope Scotland gets ‘independence’. Then it can stop blaming the English for everything.

321296 ▶▶ CGL, replying to GorbalsGirl, #218 of 872 🔗

I’m in – do you have one in mind?

321112 Country Mumkin, 14, #219 of 872 🔗

Thanks for being there LS above and below the line. I’ve appreciated the support, comments and thoughts when I needed it most. Especially the outdoor masking at school and the recent issues with family Christmas.

Hope you all have as good a time as you can this Christmas.

Wishing you all peace and strength for 2021.

321113 TheOriginalBlackPudding, 19, #220 of 872 🔗

Best Wishes To You All

I’m signing off now for the Christmas period, so my thanks to Toby and his team for creating and maintaining this meeting place and to you all for your support, humour, warmth, ideas, reason, information, and even your rants – in short for your humanity.

Happy Christmas one and all!

321114 Bella Donna, 10, #221 of 872 🔗

Wishing everyone at LS a Happy Christmas and let’s hope Santa brings some Common Sense for Bozo and his government.

321116 NorthumbrianNomad, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, 9, #222 of 872 🔗
321127 ▶▶ Bella Donna, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, #223 of 872 🔗

🎅 🤣 🎁 🍷 🥂 ⛄ 🎄 🎉 🌟

321137 ▶▶ PoshPanic, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, #224 of 872 🔗


321301 ▶▶ CGL, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, #225 of 872 🔗

I’m doing that without the ‘ass’

321120 Eliza P., replying to Eliza P., 10, #226 of 872 🔗

A valid point just mentioned on an anti-Lockdown Facebook group I’m in – ie that funeral directors aren’t reporting more deaths than in previous years. All sorts of responses came up – but very very few were saying busier than normal (but not providing any proof of that fact). Vast majority of posters are saying that they work in/live nearby/etc to funeral directors and, in the main, they are reporting they are no busier than in previous years and many are quieter than in previous years.

Then there’s the point I’ve just added – to the effect that many people that have just died have obituaries printed in their local newspaper for them – and I expect the proportion of obituaries to deaths is much the same as in previous years. So it’s very easy for us all to count obituaries in the local newspapers and compare the number to previous years (and, in fact, I daresay all local newspapers also have obituaries online of these deaths and it would be extremely easy for people to make out a chart for this year and the last few years and just count how many there had been each month and compare). Now there’s a thought for Boxing Day – instead of Christmas games or yet more tv repeats.

321132 ▶▶ TC, replying to Eliza P., 7, #227 of 872 🔗

I think there’s something in that.
From both personal and some business experience, winter kills – certainly the elderly.
However,I’m not seeing anything out of the ordinary locally.
Other past posts here have remarked on this pandemic being so bad no one seems to be reporting people dying in the streets or funeral homes/hospitals having to stack cadavers.
Some pandemic!

321154 ▶▶ bluemoon, replying to Eliza P., 2, #228 of 872 🔗

A dear friend died recently, we were able to have her funeral 13 days later.
The crem had just one other funeral to conduct that day.

321162 ▶▶ Margaret, replying to Eliza P., 5, #229 of 872 🔗

As one of the sad people who reads obituaries in our local paper, (just to check that I am not amongst them, you understand,) I pointed this out months ago even at the height of the panicdemic.
Younger son has been doing a lot of websites for funeral directors and none of them have reported anything out of the ordinary this year-the vast majority with a positive test were elderly and suffering from Alzheimer’s. In previous years they have run out of space however but not this year. I remember winters when undertakers had to hire refrigerated lorries to store bodies.

321182 ▶▶ Janette, replying to Eliza P., 1, #230 of 872 🔗

Yes I thought that too. My mother died early December and the funeral was only 10 days later so absolutely no delays due to Covid deaths!!!

321229 ▶▶ VickyA, replying to Eliza P., 1, #231 of 872 🔗

When I was speaking to the celebrant for my Dad’s funeral in June, he said he had not noticed any more numbers from usual so far this year. He was also suspicious of what we had been told about increased deaths. This was Essex by the way.

321356 ▶▶ BTLnewbie, replying to Eliza P., 2, #232 of 872 🔗

Just checked the ONS stats for the latest week – apart from April/May when we had a pandemic, deaths are up this year by 2% v the 5 year average (and yes, I know that’s not the best measure but it’s the easiest), so you wouldn’t expect funeral directors, obits etc etc to look any different than normal.

PS – a bit late on here today as preparing for the traditional family Xmas Eve dinner – sceptics all 🙂 Happy Christmas all, thanks for providing a beacon of sanity, and KBO!

PPS I know several diasgreed with my plea to forgive fanantical family and friends, but I urge it again – the brainwashed are scared and know not what they do.

321462 ▶▶ Silke David, replying to Eliza P., #233 of 872 🔗

I read obituaries as I used to volunteer with the elderly and often they disappeared from our schedule and one only found out through the paper they had died, sometimes weeks or months later.

But I notice most are 85+, I think families of “younger” people do not use them (cost saving, their friends get notified anyway, do not read a paper?)

Germany had headlines in May/June that they furloughed funeral staff as they had nothing to do or they even went bankrupt.

321121 PaulH, 18, #234 of 872 🔗

By the government’s own standards, none of the previous lockdowns and restrictions has achieved anything apart from damage society and wrecking the economy.

So what do they do? Ramp up the fear with new mutant ninja strains of Coroni and double down with more of the same. And what is the point of a travel ban if this alleged new strain is in both places already?

It all makes perfect sense to me…

Could some grown-ups take over please?

321123 court, 13, #235 of 872 🔗

Happy Christmas Toby and family and everyone here. Try to enjoy a few days away from the meeja. I was hoping to be zooming off to SA in Jan but they’ve ruined that too.


321126 Poppy, 32, #236 of 872 🔗

Merry Christmas and Happy New Year to Toby et al., and also all of those below the line. No-one deserves a better Christmas than those who have fought against this bollocks since day 1.

I really feel like part of a community here and I can’t thank all of you enough for helping maintain my sanity over this year, both horrific and extraordinary in equal measures.

321129 SweetBabyCheeses, replying to SweetBabyCheeses, -2, #237 of 872 🔗

Bit disappointed today that Toby has given a platform to an HIV/AIDS Denier. Thought this was just Thabo Mbeki etc and didn’t even realise the theory still existed amongst Western “scientists”.
Obviously I believe in free speech and I have drawn parallels myself in the past between the crises and the mistakes made….but this is not helpful. No wonder it’s easy for non-skeptics to write us off as crackpot conspiracy theorists.

321151 ▶▶ chaos, replying to SweetBabyCheeses, 1, #238 of 872 🔗

cognitive dissonance..

321156 ▶▶ Muzz Off, replying to SweetBabyCheeses, 13, #239 of 872 🔗

Neville Hodgkinson is absolutely right, and I’m glad Toby has finally included a piece that draws parallels to the HIV panic (which never ended). Surely the fact that you are using ‘denier’ language sets some alarm bells ringing? We are all Covid ‘deniers’ here after all.

In fact, I never knew about the HIV/AIDS situation until the corona panic started. It was from researching PCR (invented by Kary Mullis, who won the Nobel prize for its invention) that I first came across the idea that while AIDS and HIV are both real, HIV does not in fact cause AIDS, and AIDS is not an infectious disease.

I came across this because Kary Mullis was known for being a so-called AIDS denier. He came to this conclusion after working on a PCR test for HIV in the late 80s, and realising that no one could actually provide him with the reference of the paper which actually demonstrated HIV caused AIDS. It was simply a case of science by press conference and media-blitz. He later went on to decry the use of the PCR HIV test on large numbers of asymptomatic people as causing a false positive pseudo-epidemic (where have we heard that one before?)

The medical-scientific establishment had simply decided that this new disease was caused by a virus, and hunted for one until they found a ‘new’ virus that was unusually prevalent in AIDS sufferers. When they found one, they announced it to the media as the cause without publishing anything.

The whole story is told remarkably well in the documentary House of Numbers (available on Youtube), but especially in the book ‘Inventing the AIDS Virus’, written by Peter Duesberg, a virologist and friend of Kary Mullis.

Oh and the best part? Guess who was a key player in the HIV panic? Tony Fauci. There is video on youtube of Kary Mullis calling Tony Fauci a fraud. It’s the same exact crew that’s perpetuating this one.

321294 ▶▶▶ Nigel Sherratt, replying to Muzz Off, 5, #240 of 872 🔗

Thanks, excellent explanation, Fauci still hunting for an HIV vaccination and still coining it at 80.

321463 ▶▶ JohnB, replying to SweetBabyCheeses, #241 of 872 🔗

Bit disappointed today that Toby has given a platform to an HIV/AIDS Denier.

Whenever one sees somebody described as a ‘Denier’ (capitalised, forsooth ?!), one knows the describer is short on rational discussion.

321130 DRW, replying to DRW, 21, #242 of 872 🔗

Happy Christmas all at LS. You’ve all been great support, let’s hope 2021 is a better year.

321141 ▶▶ Charlie Blue, replying to DRW, 8, #243 of 872 🔗

And to you, DRW! I know it’s been a horrendous year for you but your fortitude has been astounding. Sending seasonal, sceptical hugs.

321175 ▶▶ Ben, replying to DRW, 8, #244 of 872 🔗

I think you’ve suffered a lot because you can see more clearly what’s happening. I hope 2021 is better. Wishing you, and everyone a better future

321177 ▶▶ kh1485, replying to DRW, 4, #245 of 872 🔗

You too DRW. I wish you strength and peace. kh

321334 ▶▶ CGL, replying to DRW, 1, #246 of 872 🔗

And to you DRW

321131 PoshPanic, replying to PoshPanic, 20, #247 of 872 🔗

Thanks to Toby, Will, the contributors and all of you here. As large parts of the country prepare to spend Christmas pretending they have the plague, it’s comforting to know that many of us will be completely ignoring them and enjoying our time with family and friends, as we should.

Merry Christmas to you all.

321178 ▶▶ Janette, replying to PoshPanic, 2, #248 of 872 🔗

Go for it!

321136 Ben, 16, #249 of 872 🔗

I wake up – back in the war

‘What is the Government gonna do to us today?’

But there are good people in the world

321142 Ferd III, replying to Ferd III, 14, #250 of 872 🔗

Merry Mass of Christ to all (even non-believers). Faith, family, friends, your own common sense, the world of the 5 senses….these are the Christmas lights.

Here in Sussex, no one knows of anyone who had died of CV 19 or the ‘mutating’ (ie. losing functionality) water-molecule-riding-for hundreds of feet-virus 0.012 micron sized (your diaper keeps out microns 3+). Ergo, lock us down. Show us who has the ring of power.

1215, 1381, 1642. When will the Sheeple rise up against the unscientific Fascism? Keep in mind Atheist Nazis and Atheist Communists also had their ‘consensus Science’. I bet Hitler et al would have loved to have dreamt up the ‘virus’ as a religion. Probably cursing himself in Hell for not thinking of it.

321152 ▶▶ PaulH, replying to Ferd III, 6, #251 of 872 🔗

Same here in this part of Sussex. Officially nine months in (actually more like 14) and no friends or family know anyone who has even been seriously ill.

But then that’s what you would expect when a pseudo-epidemic is “ripping through” (thanks Daily Mail) Southern England.

Total ball cocks.

321197 ▶▶▶ Ferd III, replying to PaulH, 9, #252 of 872 🔗

Yes – I work in a very large firm – no one – I mean NO ONE- across 5 countries in my informal surveys knows of a death from CV 19. Here in mid-Sussex I have asked (dozens-hundreds?) of people – same answer – no one. My barber told me yesterday that the Ambulance drivers (she cuts some of their hair), maintain that car accident deaths now put CV 19 on the MCCD (if a test is positive, at time of the death or within 28 days). The absurdity of this fascism and non-science is pretty obvious. The Great Reset is in full train.

321827 ▶▶▶▶ Felice, replying to Ferd III, #253 of 872 🔗

Back in April, the elderly parent of a neighbour did die of covid – or rather, died with covid. He was ill in hospital at the time. And a friend told me that she knew 3 people whose elderly ill relatives had died with it. Same friend knows of a number of people who have had it, one was quite ill, the rest just felt poorly for a while, whilst their children were hardly affected by it.
So it’s definitely around, just not how the media would have us believe.

321235 ▶▶ Waldorf, replying to Ferd III, #254 of 872 🔗

Hıtler wasn’t an atheist and overt atheism was frowned on in the Third Reich as it was considered “Bolshevik”.

321315 ▶▶▶ jonathan Palmer, replying to Waldorf, 4, #255 of 872 🔗

He definitely wasn’t a Christian considering it’s Jewish origins.There were pagan and occult roots at the heart of the Nazi ideology.

321146 Ferd III, replying to Ferd III, 6, #256 of 872 🔗

The Great Reset. The Great Fascist imposition. WEF:


An entire week of global programming will be dedicated to helping leaders choose innovative and bold solutions to stem the pandemic and drive a robust recovery over the next year.

The Davos Agenda will also mark the launch of the World Economic Forum’s Great Reset Initiative and begin the preparation of the Special Annual Meeting in the spring. Each day will focus on one of the five domains of the Great Reset Initiative

321207 ▶▶ Basics, replying to Ferd III, 3, #257 of 872 🔗

Unelected untouchable untrustables.

321263 ▶▶ TINY, replying to Ferd III, 2, #258 of 872 🔗

How much do people have to see before it stops being a “conspiracy theory”?

321331 ▶▶▶ Darryl, replying to TINY, 3, #259 of 872 🔗

If the BBC tells them it is a ‘conspiracy theory’ the vast majority of the population will believe them even if it is an obvious lie. The British are so brainwashed most think they live in a free country, the establishment in the UK are just much cleverer at controlling the population than the crude dictatorships.

They build up institutions which we are taught to unquestionable worship from a young age, most people still believe the state is the answer to all life’s problems even after this year. The more authority and self responsibility we surrender to the tyrants the worst life will get.

321148 Tyneside Tigress, 11, #260 of 872 🔗

Merry Christmas to all and one. Thanks very much to Toby, Will and colleagues for all their hard work in keeping us all together as a community of sensible, reasoning and realistic people. We will be proved correct in 2021 and hopefully get our just desserts when the culprits are named, shamed, and punished.

321149 p02099003, replying to p02099003, 5, #261 of 872 🔗

https://www.leicestermercury.co.uk/news/leicester-news/dads-chair-empty-year-daughters-4813739 , this article really makes me angry, it’s as if there aren’t empty chairs every Christmas.

321155 ▶▶ dpj, replying to p02099003, 10, #262 of 872 🔗

Yes, I find that article quite offensive. What about all the people who’ve died from cancer etc this year, do they not matter? What about those whose business has been destroyed by over the top rules that are now struggling to feed their families? I could continue with lots of other examples 😠

321174 ▶▶▶ alw, replying to dpj, 10, #263 of 872 🔗

We know six people who have sadly passed away since March all of whom have had longstanding illnesses. Nothing to do with the virus. Life goes on.

321157 ▶▶ Pancho the Grey, replying to p02099003, 6, #264 of 872 🔗

I was struck by the “after 16 years of battling cancer”. And it was because of all those people selfishly ignoring the rules.

321172 ▶▶ Tyneside Tigress, replying to p02099003, 6, #265 of 872 🔗

The man died from cancer at age 73. My own father similarly died from cancer age 74. He was admitted to hospital part-way through his chemo treatment because he caught a bacterial infection – it nearly killed him, some six months before he died. He was an optimist, and as a kid, I cannot even remember him ever being unwell. Neither he, nor my mother, would wish anyone else to suffer even though mistakes were made by the medical team treating him. But then for the MSM, the old maxim of ‘never let the facts get in the way of the story’ has been rolled out on steroids this year.

321284 ▶▶▶ Stephen, replying to Tyneside Tigress, 8, #266 of 872 🔗

I agree. My father died on Christmas Eve 2015. Aged 89.

One of his final illnesses was a respiratory infection. But, he had lots of other things wrong with him so to blame anyone for giving him a cold and then saying that killed him would be stupid.

I agreed with the doctor that he died of “old age”. Apparently, many families do not want that written on death certificates any more. It was the truth though. People seem to think that immortality is a realistic goal and that old age can somehow not be a cause of death. It’s one of the root causes of the overreaction to this current issue.

2020 really is the year that our society lost all semblance of sanity.

321397 ▶▶▶▶ Mark, replying to Stephen, 5, #267 of 872 🔗

Why is pneumonia called ‘the old man’s friend’?
My father did it the way I hope for myself – a heart attack, and all over pretty quickly. The worst fate is probably drawn out old age and dementia.

321176 ▶▶ karenovirus, replying to p02099003, 2, #268 of 872 🔗

The BBC R 4 News did something similar. Under the guise of a yearly roundup they played the interview of a nurse sobbing about “selfish panic buyers preventing me from buying essential supplies after my desperately busy day at work, sob, trying to look after, sob, you people. Please, sob, just stop doing it . . . ” has a little cry into the mike.

It was effective at the time and the supermarkets reacted by giving NHS staff priority.

Yesterday’s effort was just a cryathon more suited to Jeremy Vine on a bad day.

321183 ▶▶▶ dpj, replying to karenovirus, 8, #269 of 872 🔗

I started getting food delivered when face nappy regulations came in but one of the things that happened when I was still going to supermarket just summed up whole situation. I was the only person in queue outside Sainsburys and had been waiting about 30 secs. Someone came out with a trolley of shopping and staff member on door said to me I could go in. As I started walking towards door a woman pushed past me, holding up some sort of NHS lanyard and said ‘I get priority here’. There were other shoppers about to come out so she would have had to wait at most a few seconds and would have literally been able to walk in just after me. She seemed like she just had to let everyone know she was special as she worked for NHS. I know people who work hard for NHS and they would definitely feel too guilty to jump queue at all let alone when it only saved them a few seconds.

321188 ▶▶▶▶ p02099003, replying to dpj, 6, #270 of 872 🔗

I have never queue jumped even though I could have.

321405 ▶▶▶▶▶ thinkaboutit, replying to p02099003, 3, #271 of 872 🔗

I rarely have a good word to say about the NHS because I know how badly it’s run. But I want to say a special thank you to front line staff. I’ve been fortunate to meet expert dedicated staff throughut my life and I take my hat off to you. It’s a pity the box ticking side of the NHS let’s us all down.

321482 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Silke David, replying to thinkaboutit, 4, #272 of 872 🔗

I used to be a volunteer driver taking elderly and mobility restricted people to hospital. I sat in many waiting rooms for hours. The admin in the NHS is just radicicolous.

321191 ▶▶▶▶ TJN, replying to dpj, 5, #273 of 872 🔗

Yeah, I saw an example of just that back in March. Never did clap for the NHS.

321309 ▶▶▶▶▶ mjr, replying to TJN, 5, #274 of 872 🔗

i did crap for the NHS .. biennial bowel cancer screening kit – but conveniently worked as a nice reflection of my attitude to the organisational debacle that poses as a health service
oh sorry – you said clap?

321389 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ TJN, replying to mjr, 2, #275 of 872 🔗

Back in February/March when we heard the stories of NHS staff volunteering to work on covid wards I did admire those individuals. Back then, as far as they knew, they were running towards danger to help others. You have to admire that.

Trouble is that justifiable (imv) admiration has widely morphed into something dangerous and obscene.

321408 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ dpj, replying to TJN, 3, #276 of 872 🔗

I agree with you, same goes for fireman, people who man lifeboats that go out in all weather to rescue people etc. We have reached the other extreme now where you get GPs who are young and healthy refusing to see any patients face to face in case they have ‘covid’. I get annoyed when dealing with others in my office working from home for forseeable future job who make no effort to learn what they need to know to do their job. As far as I am concerned I couldn’t trust any GP who doesn’t know the real facts about covid that they have suitable knowledge about medicine to properly make diagnosis of a sick patient.

321481 ▶▶▶▶ Silke David, replying to dpj, #277 of 872 🔗

Was she an office person?
Do they check their lanyards to prioritise nursing staff?
All the others (except porters and cleaners) can wait like everyone else. Even doctors.

321477 ▶▶▶ Silke David, replying to karenovirus, #278 of 872 🔗

My friend referred to this yesterday and it only dawned on me later that she meant April, as she mentioned she had not seen any news and only heard that her xmas visit to MK and her daughter “had to be cancelled” from her.
Sadly my friend is a worrier in this regards and just drips with empathy. The other day she was so scared of the virus as an elderly couple a colleague of hers knew had died within days of each other after having had a visit from the husbands brother who felt ill. (The man must have hated his brother). I looked up records of our region and could find two records close together of persons aged 89 and 85.
My friend said: and before xmas, and now the family have these memories every year!
Sometimes I really wonder how my friend manages life and I just want to throttle her!

321150 davews, 6, #279 of 872 🔗

Happy Christmas to all at LS especially Toby and his team. It would be nice to also wish you a prosperous 2021 but I guess that would be too optimistic.

Excellent article this morning on Conservative Woman from our Rosie (I assume it is you) which sums up many of our feelings.

321153 chaos, replying to chaos, 11, #280 of 872 🔗

happy saturnalia from this sad lonely pagan…

321277 ▶▶ gina, replying to chaos, 5, #281 of 872 🔗

Yuletide greetings from a witch of the eastern sea shore. May the returning sun shine blessings upon you.

321288 ▶▶ David Grimbleby, replying to chaos, 3, #282 of 872 🔗

Pagans and Heathens revere nature as the best place to be at his time and always..Peace to All.

321312 ▶▶▶ gina, replying to David Grimbleby, 1, #283 of 872 🔗

thanks for telling us that…blessed be

321830 ▶▶ bebophaircut, replying to chaos, #284 of 872 🔗

Maybe there are some pagan rites from like-minded people going on near you and you don’t know about it.

321158 chaos, replying to chaos, 1, #285 of 872 🔗

The Duran thinks Boris will be gone soon…
But such are YouTube’s rules they now are forced to refer to covid as ‘the thing’.

321831 ▶▶ bebophaircut, replying to chaos, #286 of 872 🔗

‘The Thing’. That was a sci-fi film from the 50s.

321159 Cecil B, replying to Cecil B, 3, #287 of 872 🔗

Some Christmas reading and music for anyone who’s interested

‘A modest proposal’

Dr Johnathan Swift


Too much love will kill you every time: Queen

Diamonds and Rust: Joan Baez (about her affair with Bob Dylan)

Desolation Row: Bob Dylan

321165 ▶▶ chaos, replying to Cecil B, 1, #288 of 872 🔗
321442 ▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to chaos, #289 of 872 🔗

This word ‘nice’ now …

321186 ▶▶ TJN, replying to Cecil B, 1, #290 of 872 🔗

‘A Modest Proposal’, very short as it is, is about the most vicious satire I’ve ever read. With its focus on crude numbers, it may even bee seen as a satire on mathematical modelling, nearly three centuries before time.

On the Dylan canon, I don’t know if anyone on here knows ‘Ain’t goin to grieve no more’, buried away on The Witmark Demos. The lyrics on the page are surpassed by the song as it jaunts along. The theme: I’ve had it with grieving, we’ve come this far and we ain’t going back, knock me down and I’ll get up again, and I’m taking everyone with me.

321285 ▶▶ Nigel Sherratt, replying to Cecil B, 2, #291 of 872 🔗

Farewell Angelina (Dylan for Baez though he forgot he’d written it)

The machine guns are roaring
The puppets heave rocks
The fiends nail time bombs
To the hands of the clocks
Call me any name you like
I will never deny it
Farewell Angelina
The sky is erupting
I must go where it’s quiet

Also Let Me Die in My Footsteps

I will not go down under the ground
’Cause somebody tells me that death’s comin’ ’round
An’ I will not carry myself down to die
When I go to my grave my head will be high
Let me die in my footsteps
Before I go down under the ground


321161 chaos, 7, #292 of 872 🔗

knock knock
test and trace system
test and trace system WHO?
ho ho ho merry Christmas

it’s the way I tell ’em.

321166 mjr, 5, #293 of 872 🔗

for those that are having a christmas i hope you have a good one ..

as for me – wake me up for the football on boxing day ,,,,, and bah! humbug!.

321167 TheBigman, replying to TheBigman, 20, #294 of 872 🔗


For the umpteenth time I’m going to help you all out.

Big Tech working with Big Pharma to label any critical thinking and questions as ‘false’ and ‘disinformation’. Why could this be? Where have we seen such tactics used before over the last century?

Start asking these questions, start using sites like BitChute etc. Forget Social(ist) media, it is there to programme and its working.

This is technocracy leading to idiocracy.

I highly recommend The Gulag Archipelago book, its almost like for like as to right now. Although Gulags aren’t required in an age of automation.

The govt is telling you, without reservation and (currently) little enforcement (for now), who you can/can’t see/hug, where you can/can’t eat/drink, what are ‘essential’ items, ban you from leaving your local area, give extortionate fines without due process…the list goes on.

These aren’t to do with a virus, this is to do with the gaining and retention of power. State interference creates more state interference and thus reliance further solidifying their control. BREAK FREE!

The sad part is that people still think it’s about protecting the NHS (the STATE healthcare) and happily clap like seals and clowns while they are denied care by the very organisation they are paying for as they make videos of themselves dancing during a pandemic.

Keep drinking the Kool Aid, I’m sure your new Covid1984 life won’t lead to your untimely demise. Communist control is here and will tighten further. MPs are useless, direct action is the only way now.

Don’t make the mistake of thinking this will go away in a year or two with a dodgy vaccine. That’s only the beginning.

Merry Christmas to you and yours.

321253 ▶▶ TINY, replying to TheBigman, 2, #295 of 872 🔗

It definitely won’t stop with a vaccine. See french bill 3714. And the new language from Hancock “act as if everyone is infected”.

321256 ▶▶ OKUK, replying to TheBigman, 4, #296 of 872 🔗

It’s too complex to simply say it’s a backdoor Communist Revolution. I think of it more as an alliance similar to the WW2 alliances, so on the allied side you had Communists, social Democrats, monarchists, imperialists, democrats, free market capitalists, anarchists, most religious groups and most atheists. These various elements pretty much hate each other with a passion and yet they worked together to achieve a goal.

321305 ▶▶▶ jonathan Palmer, replying to OKUK, 6, #297 of 872 🔗

They are not working together.The corporates control and the rest are what Lenin called useful idiots.
The ‘left ‘ have been the most shameful is this although it’s a long list,for years they have smeared anyone who deviated from political correctness as a fascist.When real fascism appears they bow down and support it

321297 ▶▶ jonathan Palmer, replying to TheBigman, 7, #298 of 872 🔗

It is not communism.The state doesn’t own the means of production.It is corporate fascism dressed in green wokery.

321170 swedenborg, 3, #299 of 872 🔗

As suspected this seasonal wave is even more skewed with less deaths < 65 than the spring wave


The UK Coronavirus Dashboard now includes age demographics breakdown for deaths. The data is currently available only for England and all English regions. We are working to source the data from other DAs.

321173 Fingerache Philip., replying to Fingerache Philip., 9, #300 of 872 🔗

Dear Deirdre, I have sneezed 5 times this morning, should I brick myself up in the cellar or become a hermit on Titterstone clee hill?
Your’s, concerned of Cleobury Mortimer.

321189 ▶▶ Robin, replying to Fingerache Philip., 3, #301 of 872 🔗

Be responsible, assume you have the virus, do the right thing, protect the NHS and Matt Hancock.

321241 ▶▶▶ Sam Vimes, replying to Robin, 1, #302 of 872 🔗

New Year’s Honours coming up, better get used to saying ‘Sir Matt’…

321276 ▶▶▶▶ Nigel Sherratt, replying to Sam Vimes, 3, #303 of 872 🔗

Sneezing not a symptom according to WHO(!), CDC(!) and Boots .

321832 ▶▶ bebophaircut, replying to Fingerache Philip., #304 of 872 🔗

Drink some Benedictine.

321214 ▶▶ Mark, replying to chaos, 14, #306 of 872 🔗

Well you really can’t expect the police to spare their valuable and limited manpower to deal with such relatively unimportant matters, can you? There are people out there singing carols . ..!

321180 PaulParanoia, replying to PaulParanoia, 7, #307 of 872 🔗

Please make sure you buy the Boris protest song against his handling of the Covid and cancelling Christmas. Only 99p and already #2 in the iTunes chart. Let’s get this to Xmas #1.

Note: the song is not for those who are easily offended.


321247 ▶▶ TINY, replying to PaulParanoia, 2, #308 of 872 🔗

I bought it 3 times

321290 ▶▶ mjr, replying to PaulParanoia, 2, #309 of 872 🔗

there is the Boris is a sausage roll version for the kids

321377 ▶▶ JohnB, replying to PaulParanoia, #310 of 872 🔗

Very sadly, opinion polls, yougov, and petitions tell us that statistics that might make a difference are ‘managed’. 🙁

(Have also bought it a few times though).

321184 Danny, 18, #312 of 872 🔗

Not going to look at this or any virus related news over the next few days. For my own sanity and because I will not let them take away what little is left of Christmas.
So a Merry Christmas to you and see you again soon.

321185 kh1485, replying to kh1485, 33, #313 of 872 🔗

Lovely young bloke just been to sweep the chimney. Complete sceptic (as all proper trades seem to be). His parting words to me just now “let’s hope this government gets its finger out of its arse” Hear, hear.

321190 ▶▶ IanE, replying to kh1485, 6, #314 of 872 🔗

I have a rusty poker that the government may use as a replacement!

321274 ▶▶▶ Nigel Sherratt, replying to IanE, 4, #315 of 872 🔗

Be sure to warm it.

321811 ▶▶▶▶ DomW, replying to Nigel Sherratt, 2, #316 of 872 🔗

400 centigrade should be about right

321206 ▶▶ Mark, replying to kh1485, 16, #317 of 872 🔗

Dropped off some cash at my local car mechanic (boss and three staff) yesterday and enjoyed a very bracing discussion of just how much all the facemask wearing bollocks is just that. We were all in agreement. Yet mask compliance is pretty near 100% in our local supermarkets and I’d be pushed to find a single university educated neighbour or local acquaintance (this is the posh part of Sheffield) who seriously questions the narrative from the sceptic perspective.

321225 ▶▶▶ jb12, replying to Mark, 27, #318 of 872 🔗

Working in a university, I can confirm that the university educated are amongst the most hysterical, hypocritical and feeble-minded people around – it is no surprise that they have bought into the whole Covid narrative.

321490 ▶▶▶▶ Silke David, replying to jb12, 2, #319 of 872 🔗

I realised yesterday that my letting agent has not done any of its 2 inspections this year. I am glad they left me alone, but I am wondering to contact my landlord and tell them to pay less to the agents as they have not done their job and what they supposedly get paid for.
At least I had my annual boiler inspection as required by law in May.

321228 ▶▶ OKUK, replying to kh1485, 2, #320 of 872 🔗

As Lenin might have asked: whose finger, whose arse.

321259 ▶▶ WasSteph, replying to kh1485, 17, #321 of 872 🔗

Tradesmen simply can’t afford to be hysterical and they’re not dropping like flies. It makes my blood boil when they and you have their businesses scuppered by this criminal overreaction. Ours is hanging on, just, but the exchequer will certainly be seeing much reduced tax receipts from us.
Merry Christmas everyone and thanks to Toby and the team for giving us a place to vent and a repository of useful information.

321386 ▶▶▶ thinkaboutit, replying to WasSteph, 4, #322 of 872 🔗

When you fill in your tax return write a little note to Rishi explaining why takings are down. Cc to Hancock, saying ” Well done”.

321431 ▶▶ Ben, replying to kh1485, 2, #323 of 872 🔗

Unfortunately, I fear the Government is under the control of a global force

321187 CaptainG, replying to CaptainG, 10, #324 of 872 🔗

It makes a big difference whether this is a conspiracy or cock-up: the latter is just lurching from one reaction to another, the former means there is a plan already unfolding which goes like this:
Lockdowns- economic collapse- higher taxes- capital levies- UBI- cashless society- end of private property- total digital surveillance- health passports- compulsory vaccines (multiple and ongoing)… population reduction? Transhumanism?

The first part is surely. It hard to grasp- as Stalin destroyed the kulaks, destruction of small businesses transfers wealth upwards as is obviously already well advanced with Amazon sucking up all that trade. Big tech has always been about Big Data and surveillance- explaining censorship as just status-seeking seems weak to say the least.
We are moving into a social credit system following China, where all this began of course- the WHO is Chinese controlled and it is they who pulled the trigger in global lockdowns .
Read Patrick Wood Technocracy Rising and you will see this is just the fulfilment of long-standing plans by global elites.


321192 ▶▶ Ferd III, replying to CaptainG, 3, #325 of 872 🔗

If a Plan (see Great Reset), its aim is to install Communism in the West. If a massive cockup than we need to get Tyburn tree kitted out.

Question: Why is Wuhan virus free? No testing, no vaxx, diapers optional, no lockdowns. Why?

“a template for the new China, a place with relative economic freedom but intense controls on speech, socially vibrant but isolated from and suspicious of outsiders. Publicly questioning how the government handled the virus is almost impossible”


321319 ▶▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Ferd III, 3, #326 of 872 🔗

The Great Reset seems more like Corporatism than Communism, much like the current CCP.

321354 ▶▶▶▶ J4mes, replying to karenovirus, 3, #327 of 872 🔗

Only from an economic point of view. If you pay attention to the politics of the people who own these giant companies, they’re unmistakably communist. What we’re witnessing is communism in a form that hasn’t happened before, it evolved when they realised the old way didn’t work.

321396 ▶▶▶▶ J4mes, replying to karenovirus, 2, #328 of 872 🔗

Also, it can and often is argued that corporatism and communism are one and the same: https://www.eesti.ca/communism-corporatism-deep-state/article56768

There’s a very interesting quotation in that link from Henry Kissinger when he says: “It doesn’t matter what’s true that counts but a matter of what is perceived to be true”

321198 ▶▶ Mark, replying to CaptainG, 5, #329 of 872 🔗

the latter is just lurching from one reaction to another, the former means there is a plan already unfolding

But the issue is not, surely, whether there are plans that are unfolding, but whether all these developments are part of one big plan unfolding.

The former seems obviously true. The latter lacks credibility for me.

321289 ▶▶▶ CaptainG, replying to Mark, 8, #330 of 872 🔗

But the plan has always been a globalist plan- building strength and putting the pieces in place over the past decades. Read Technocracy Rising for evidence. Agenda 21 is a key part of it-systematically putting in place “sustainable development “ goals which have been signed up to in every local government around the world. This is really about total control of all natural an human resources.

Global warming as a vehicle for this was conceived decades ago with the Brundtland report. The pandemic is really just speeding up the same agenda. Hancock and Johnson have long been signed up to the 4th Industrial Revolution. No accident that Johnson’s father wrote about population reduction and eugenics. These ideas and ambitions have a long pedigree. Gates has long wanted to vaccinate the world and this is directly tied in with ID2020 which has been developed over many years.
All this is closely tied in with the US election and the need to replace Trump with a Chinese agent. China”s global plans are hardly in dispute and there is a lot of evidence recently for how far they have infiltrated every part of western business and government.


321383 ▶▶▶▶ Mark, replying to CaptainG, 3, #331 of 872 🔗

It doesn’t look like a coordinated plan to me, it looks like lots of powerful or wannabe powerful people and groups pushing their own interests and sometimes finding that pushing in the same direction works for them. And those groups finding that a global hysteria is an excellent tool to opportunistically exploit to further those plans.

Tbh our disagreement is probably a lot about interpretations, emphasis and semantics here.

321457 ▶▶▶▶▶ CaptainG, replying to Mark, 5, #332 of 872 🔗

That’s bc you haven’t looked at the overwhelming evidence. The conspiracy is hiding in plain sight. I refer you once again to Wood “Technocracy Rising” also “Behind the Green Mask” by Rosa Koire”. It’s all about the implementation of Agenda 21, in collaboration with China. The idea of using a pandemic is also not new, see the Rockefeller lockstep document in my blog linked above. If you don’t look, you won’t see.

A better question I think is “does the idea that all the world’s countries abruptly acted in unison to destroy their economies and remove all basic human rights as being just a random event as a result of converging self-interest have any credibility?” For me not.

Watching Bill Gates talk about impending pandemics, and his monomaniacal focus on vaccines as the only solution is also chilling. He has just been waiting for the opportunity, which China has provided. ID2020 will now be enacted, as has obviously been planned for sometime, in conjunction with UBI and dithering removal of cash. Much of this is already in place in China- it is they who invented lockdowns, never before tried or recommended- they have been quite deliberately exported to the west to weaken our economies, a stealth war. China has placed millions of CCP agents in the highest levels of government and business over many years.
Cultural hegemony has been carefully gained through BLM, critical race theory, gender studies, climate change…


321489 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Buby1976, replying to CaptainG, 1, #333 of 872 🔗

Very interesting and heated debate. Also extremely important in understanding who the real enemy is. I think your assertions are accurate,if you replace CCP with the globalists. I think communism, political correctness, transgenderism, unlimited immigration, indoctrination of our education system, infiltration of our politics,banks and media have been happening for much longer than the communist China existed, some traceable for more than 100 years. Communist China has been around for a mere 70 years. I identify the planned response to this exaggerated/fake pandemic as part of the globalists’ agenda. The reason it is happening now is in reaction to the rise in nationalism (Trump,Bolsonaro,Salvini, Modi) which is the most threatening to the globalists.

321512 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Buby1976, replying to Buby1976, #334 of 872 🔗

And another fact which explains why so many “right wing” politicians are going along with the fakedemic. Some are only right wing in name, and some are coerced into acquiescing. Intelligent operators like the guys behind this would infiltrate/blackmail both sides. Johnson, Netanyahu, Kurz, Rutte etc are not fools. You can’t be a fool and get to the top of the greasy pole.
The only way out of this is to make their cooperation with the globalists a deadly endeavour. Only then their instinct of preservation will kick in and the whole house of cards will come crumbling down. Eastern Europe of 1989 comes to mind, when murderous regimes evaporated in 2 weeks when the balance of fear vs nothing to lose tipped,and those in power shivered for their own safety if the masses with pitchforks took over.

321552 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to CaptainG, 1, #335 of 872 🔗

A better question I think is “does the idea that all the world’s countries abruptly acted in unison to destroy their economies and remove all basic human rights as being just a random event as a result of converging self-interest have any credibility?” For me not.

Fucking quite !

321838 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ bebophaircut, replying to JohnB, #336 of 872 🔗

Damn right.

321321 ▶▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Mark, 1, #337 of 872 🔗

Probably a skeleton plan with various groups latching on with their own agendas, alcohol concern, the greens and the Nats for starters.

321385 ▶▶▶▶ Mark, replying to karenovirus, 1, #338 of 872 🔗

Undoubtedly, but I don’t see any unified all-powerful authority behind any such skeleton plan. More of a kind of consensus for radicalism.

321203 ▶▶ chaos, replying to CaptainG, 10, #339 of 872 🔗

I think the scam is a double whammy.

The plebs are made to believe the virus is the bogeyman.
Our weak leaders are made to buy into The Great Reset. They think the covid lie is worth telling for the great greta shangrila.
The reality is both are lies. Both are trojan horses. There is no pandemic and there is no great reset. Just a wealth transfer and depression.

321222 ▶▶▶ OKUK, replying to chaos, 7, #340 of 872 🔗

This is such a tricky area. No one “made” Johnson use the WEF slogan “build back better”. There’s no doubt in my mind that the WEF is a corrupt and sinister organisation that produces policy programmes not in an advisory capacity but in a directive capacity, How has this come about? Who approved the recent WEF video that notoriously tells young people in the future they won’t own anything but they’ll be happy?

Imagine if Panoroma still did proper investigations! What might they find out about the WEF?

321320 ▶▶▶▶ Darryl, replying to OKUK, 2, #341 of 872 🔗

The BBC is usually one of the ‘partners’ for these globalist NGOs along with every other multinational corporation. So, not a chance in hell they will ever criticise the WEF, Agenda 2021 or 2030.

321339 ▶▶▶▶▶ J4mes, replying to Darryl, 4, #342 of 872 🔗

I wonder how many people here still pay the licence fee while complaining about the BBC?

321450 ▶▶▶ Llamasaurus Rex, replying to chaos, #343 of 872 🔗

The reality is both are lies. Both are trojan horses. There is no pandemic and there is no great reset. Just a wealth transfer and depression.

yes. Sometimes i lazily refer to the reset, but that’s sloppy and imprecise. Your analysis is sharp and correct. however I’d add that the desire for control (a commodity the elite craves) is a big part of their sociopathy.

321745 ▶▶ Ianric, replying to CaptainG, #344 of 872 🔗

It has been argued the purpose of lockdown is to destroy people’s financial independance and make them dependant on the state. By destroying businesseses people loose their jobs and they have to claim benefits from the government which gives government control over people. Small businesses are a particular target because succesful business owners are independant as they don’t have to rely on employers or government for their income. Small businesses will be particularly badly hit in lockdowns as they don’t have the financial reserves of big businesses.

I feel there is an element of social engineering with lockdown measures and a major element of this is to isolate people from each other and prevent social interaction. Lockdown rules prevent people interacting with friends and family. We are told to social distance. The businesses which have been forced to close are businesses where people socialise and interact such as nightclubs, pubs, restaurants, shops, hairdressers, barbers, churches, sporting events, cinemas, theatres and concert halls. It would be a horrific dystopia if these businesses ceased to exist.

321193 karenovirus, replying to karenovirus, 6, #345 of 872 🔗

Handy Yuletide Tip

Don’t forget the essential pre-Crimbo trip to the bottle bank !
Come Boxing Day they’ll be overflowing and won’t be emptied until February !

321373 ▶▶ dhid, replying to karenovirus, 2, #346 of 872 🔗

I’ve got quite a big recycle bin which was just emptied, and stocked up on Aussies finest “value” reds yesterday, so should be good!

321390 ▶▶ Chris John, replying to karenovirus, 3, #347 of 872 🔗

Keep them for making cocktails in January.
Favourite one is the Molotov, festive and warming

321561 ▶▶ Judy watson, replying to karenovirus, 1, #348 of 872 🔗

Ha, ha,ha love it

321194 Mark, replying to Mark, 11, #349 of 872 🔗

Twitter’s New Censorship Rules “…
ITV has dumped a regular Coronation Street director following a series of online posts rubbishing concerns of racism in the media industry”

This is where Toby’s two big concerns – free speech and lockdowns, intersect. The problems behind the coronapanic and the methods and structures used to push it on the nation did not appear out of nowhere, though it has probably seemed so to those who have not been watching carefully these past few decades.

If you get your ideas about a topic from the ordinary sources – media, literature, school, social acquaintances, and that topic is one in which dissent is regarded as unacceptable and suppressed, then your ideas about that topic are most likely wrong.

We form our opinions based upon the information available to us. And the only basis we have for judging the reliability of any of the things we think we know about the world is how well they stand up to counter-argument. If the discussion is biased, then we can have no confidence that what we think we know would stand up to free debate. Over time, the understanding of what is “true” will be shifted away from reality in the directions pushed by the suppression of dissent. This is true even if the suppression is relatively mild and “only” involves eg loss of employment and/or social status for scientists or others who embrace dissent. Punish one, silence a thousand.

This is certainly the case for the coronapanic where dissent has been actively and systematically suppressed from the beginning, to push an agenda of fearmongering. If you get your ideas about covid from the usual sources – the BBC, the newspapers, tv channels, school, society, as most people do, then what you think you “know” about it is almost certainly false. To have any chance of achieving anything close to a genuine understanding you must seek out alternative and marginalised, demonised or suppressed sources, which very few do, in practice.

It has been true for decades on political correctness issues and climate change, and most especially on race. If you get your ideas about race from the aforementioned usual sources, as most people do, then your ideas about race are almost certainly false. To have any chance of a genuine understanding you would likewise have to seek out alternative, demonised and suppressed sources of information, as with covid. Most people, of course, don’t do that. The same for other issues affected by “political correctness”, and for climate alarmism.

321238 ▶▶ TINY, replying to Mark, 2, #350 of 872 🔗

Makes sense now why Blair the architect of political correctness has appeared again.

321295 ▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Mark, 4, #351 of 872 🔗

Apparently BBC Sports Personality Of The Year, that putrid sink of wokeness, had its lowest audience ever this year, people are wsking up to the beeb at least.

321496 ▶▶▶ Silke David, replying to karenovirus, 1, #352 of 872 🔗

I had totally forgotten there were supposed to be Olympics this year. Any news on that?

321430 ▶▶ Ben, replying to Mark, 4, #353 of 872 🔗

Identity politics is being used as a tool of control. The ruling class doesn’t care about trans, disabled, gay or black people, but it’s a useful stick to beat us with. It’s being used to stoke resentment for divide and rule

321511 ▶▶▶ Mark, replying to Ben, 2, #354 of 872 🔗

Obviously, those who seek power rarely genuinely care about much besides their own power. So you are correct that identity politics has been and is used more or less cynically, first as a battering ram to delegitimise and destroy the former existing order, and more recently to divide and rule.

Yet many seem automatically to blame those who respond (legitimately) with resentment, the only response open to them, or those who dissent from the identitarian dogmas, whereas the criticism should be directed at those pushing the division – the identity lobbyists and those who pander to them or exploit them, and their ideologies and dogmas.

321196 chaos, 8, #355 of 872 🔗

Blowjob’s Brino announcement today should seal his fate..

321199 AnotherSceptic, replying to AnotherSceptic, 7, #356 of 872 🔗

Yes, the scaremongering is being ramped up now folks, this article was quietly slipped onto the scummy Daily Record website at 19:23pm last night.


However, it doesn’t mention any underlying health problems, just the fact that the baby was under 1 year old.

321205 ▶▶ Victoria, replying to AnotherSceptic, 4, #357 of 872 🔗

Indeed!! People (and babies) die all the time

321208 ▶▶ dpj, replying to AnotherSceptic, 5, #358 of 872 🔗

Story has been on BBC Scotland news page since yesterday as well, similarly devoid of any real info other than age of victim. Last I heard previously there were 3 deaths of babies in UK, 2 born very premature with survival chances 50/50 in any circumstances and one 18 months old whose whole life had been in ICU.

321234 ▶▶▶ Sam Vimes, replying to dpj, 5, #359 of 872 🔗

Yes, six children died of ‘it’ in the first half of the year. Except they didn’t. About August, they admitted that three new borns and three 15-18 yr olds were in hospital with ‘profound health problems’ and would have died anyway. Either caught it in hospital, or simply tested pos.

321286 ▶▶▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Sam Vimes, 3, #360 of 872 🔗

They surprised that information

‘only 6 children have died of Covid and all of them were seriously ill with underlying conditions’

Until three days before they wanted the schools to go back just before the summer holidays.
They thought they could turn the fear on and off like a tap. That’s Behavioural Science, nudge unit, for you.

321598 ▶▶▶▶▶ karenovirus, replying to karenovirus, 1, #361 of 872 🔗

Suppressed 🙄

321248 ▶▶ NorthumbrianNomad, replying to AnotherSceptic, 9, #362 of 872 🔗

That’s truly repulsive as well as being the laziest piece of “journalism” I’ve ever seen. They’ve literally just looked at a data list.

“The girl died somewhere in the country between December 14 and 21, according to new statistics from the National Records of Scotland.”

They also used the phrase “tragic tot”, which should be an instant summary execution offence, no appeal allowed.

321254 ▶▶▶ dpj, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, 6, #363 of 872 🔗

A lot of these stories have opposite affect from what they are aiming for, I’m reminded of a lot of the ‘healthy young person’ stories where they were really scraping bottom of barrel as the supposedly healthy person was 20 stone!

321255 ▶▶▶ AnotherSceptic, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, 2, #364 of 872 🔗

Agree with you on that NorthumbrianNomad.

321282 ▶▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, 2, #365 of 872 🔗

You see this everywhere. Big scary headline “666 People Die of Deadly Virus”. The details are just a read out of the government stats. Article done.

321352 ▶▶ Dan Clarke, replying to AnotherSceptic, 5, #366 of 872 🔗

Remember the poor child ‘found on the beach’ when they wanted to open the door to mass migration into Europe, that worked too, they know it works.

321384 ▶▶ BTLnewbie, replying to AnotherSceptic, 4, #367 of 872 🔗

It’s a sad fact, that if you add up all those who die between the ages of 1 and 20 (about 1,500 last year), it comes nowhere near the number who die before they reach their first birthday (about 2,200).

321497 ▶▶ Silke David, replying to AnotherSceptic, 2, #368 of 872 🔗

I guess cot death is easily put down as covid.

321202 Dan Clarke, 5, #369 of 872 🔗

The Aids article is very interesting, the Herd Insanity, is exactly what is happening now, but 35 years on the younger ones, don’t know about that hysteria

321209 Victoria, 6, #370 of 872 🔗

Join the Free Speech Union, you never know when you might need it

321211 chaos, 6, #371 of 872 🔗

Merry Brino

321212 Deborah, 25, #372 of 872 🔗

Thank you to all the Lockdown Sceptics for making me feel less alone

321213 swedenborg, replying to swedenborg, 10, #373 of 872 🔗

UK mutant variant has lost one of the genes used in the PCR. If I read these twitters below from experts , that it could be an illusion that more virus is really found in this new strain. The same argument was done from the American virologist’s video yesterday and found it incomprehensible that the UK scientists used the flawed PCR test as an indicator of virus load. This could only be done by viral cultures to confirm or not whether this variant has a higher viral load or not (hence possibly more contagious). But the panic button was used by the politicians.

“But only 72% of tests trigger all 3 genes. When you back off to 2 or 1 gene for a positive, you get more positives. Does this impact our understanding of its more rapid spread?”


“To clarify, if 2 rather than 3 genes are amplify in a PCR reaction, the amount of product at those 2 genes is expected to be higher (lower CT value, which may be interpreted as higher viral load). As an analogy, 2 vessels can be filled faster than 3 with a a single watering can.


321244 ▶▶ NorthumbrianNomad, replying to swedenborg, 3, #374 of 872 🔗

That is very clear from McKernan: “ The new variant locking down the U.K. has no basis for concern.

One of the more commonly used kits from Thermo has a gene target drop out as a result of the mutation.
That means they must call positives on 2 assays not 3.
That = elevated positivity rate.”

321266 ▶▶ DavidC, replying to swedenborg, 1, #375 of 872 🔗

I thought the PCR test ws already only testing for one gene from its original three. Happy to be proven wrong though.


321420 ▶▶ Ben, replying to swedenborg, 4, #376 of 872 🔗

I don’t care about the science anymore. I want my human rights back.

321221 Awkward Git, replying to Awkward Git, 33, #377 of 872 🔗

Merry Christmas to you all, enjoy the festivities whatever you plan to do.

Signing off from the computer and life outside the front door soon – no e-mails, no internet, no answering the door, no mobiles, no telephone – for the next few days unless they old is ending.

Just lots of eating, drinking and making merry with the family.

Don’t let the bastards grind you down, fuck ’em if they can’t take a joke and “see” you all for the next round of stupidity and fighting the good fight next week.

321227 ▶▶ Sam Vimes, replying to Awkward Git, 12, #378 of 872 🔗

Mr. Awkward, sir. Have a good ‘un and thank you for your stirling efforts this year. Your knighthood is a foregone conclusion. You the man.

321239 ▶▶▶ Awkward Git, replying to Sam Vimes, 3, #379 of 872 🔗

Thank you.

One last comment, I know this is in the Daily Mail but is this a veiled warning that we should be aware that nothing can be trusted anymore that we see broadcast:


321226 George Mc, replying to George Mc, 22, #380 of 872 🔗

Your title “Is the BBC Making People Ill?” put me in mind of this joke:

Q: Why do the Amish not suffer from covid?
A: Because they don’t have TV.

321260 ▶▶ Nigel Sherratt, replying to George Mc, 10, #381 of 872 🔗

Not so much a joke as a simple statement of fact.

321231 AnotherSceptic, replying to AnotherSceptic, 8, #382 of 872 🔗

From the shitty Edinburgh Live fear mongering website, ramping up the fear over the big scary South African new, made up strain.


I have commented on this shitty article, it will probably more than likely get disabled though, or I will get called a conspiracy theorist, or a clown etc from the proper brainwashed sheep. My comment to this rubbish is below.

“Unbelievable, cases are falling, so what can we do?…I know, let’s make up another even more scary sounding strain & people will fall for that, just to keep up the scaremongering.

I expect wee Nicola to now better that with a even more scary strain found only today, something like an Australian strain, that makes you jump about like a kangaroo whilst your nose runs.

If people can’t see that this is all utter made up nonsense now, I really do despair”

321246 ▶▶ karenovirus, replying to AnotherSceptic, 2, #383 of 872 🔗

Is it being assumed that Covid Mutant .2 also attacks the cheeldren too ?

321250 ▶▶▶ AnotherSceptic, replying to karenovirus, 5, #384 of 872 🔗

It is indeed. It was on the radio news (local stations, not BBC ones) the other day, that the new strain may be more dangerous to children this time.

Just to keep up the brainwashing & scaremongering amongst the sheep.

321375 ▶▶▶ Old Bill, replying to karenovirus, 3, #385 of 872 🔗

Don’t you see, it has to. All grannies are now dead.

321261 ▶▶ dpj, replying to AnotherSceptic, 5, #386 of 872 🔗

As I said in one of my comments yesterday we need to start spreading rumours online and get the wee dictator up here or Hancock to talk about dangerous strain from Wakanda or some other made up country and more people might wake up.

321232 stoptheworld, replying to stoptheworld, 3, #387 of 872 🔗

How does one greet Covidians at this time of year?. I’m guessing that saying “Merry Christmas” would be offensive, as it is anathema to everything they believe in. Is it “Stay safe” or some spiritless drivel like that?

321242 ▶▶ karenovirus, replying to stoptheworld, 3, #388 of 872 🔗

🥳 Merry Christmas 🎄 is doing me fine. 🎁

321252 ▶▶ Mark, replying to stoptheworld, 4, #389 of 872 🔗

I’m guessing that saying “Merry Christmas” would be offensive, as it is anathema to everything they believe in .”

You wrote that as though offending panickers by behaving normally is somehow a bad thing….

321262 ▶▶ Al T, replying to stoptheworld, 10, #390 of 872 🔗

Merry Christmask?

321308 ▶▶ Waldorf, replying to stoptheworld, 3, #391 of 872 🔗

“Greetings, mindless and spineless devotee of the fear plague!”

321353 ▶▶ dhid, replying to stoptheworld, 3, #392 of 872 🔗

“Merry Christmas – do stop watching the BBC, it’s very bad for your health”, perhaps?

321240 zacaway, replying to zacaway, 6, #393 of 872 🔗

Merry Christmas – just seen the “ Boris Song ” has made it to No.2 on the iTunes chart:


Let’s try to send him a message by getting it to this year’s Christmas No.1!

And before Twitter takes it down, this is very entertaining video:

321270 ▶▶ Smelly Melly, replying to zacaway, 2, #394 of 872 🔗

If you have a streaming music service, keep playing it. I play it on Spotify but have my laptop on mute.

321418 ▶▶ Ben, replying to zacaway, #395 of 872 🔗

If Keir Starmer takes over, people will be wishing for Boris to come back

321245 Biggles, replying to Biggles, 30, #396 of 872 🔗

Well it looks as though my request for a framed photo of Matt Hancock’s head on a spike as a Christmas present is going to be denied.

Can I just add my appreciation for everything Toby and the team at LS have done for us this year. Happy Christmas to all Lockdown Sceptics and my thanks go to everyone for the good sense that is spoken here.

321349 ▶▶ thinkaboutit, replying to Biggles, 1, #397 of 872 🔗

Happy Christmas to you too Biggles, chocks away!

321264 Smelly Melly, replying to Smelly Melly, 10, #398 of 872 🔗

At the Christmas dinner, the family are going to have a minutes silence for every person we know of who has died of this horrible killer disease. As we we know nobody who has this won’t take long.

Also I encourage others to match the amount of money you have spent on masks and other PPE into Covid research.

321515 ▶▶ IanE, replying to Smelly Melly, #399 of 872 🔗

Nice thought – and my bank manager will be pleased that I won’t have to spend anything on covid research!

321267 NorthumbrianNomad, 9, #400 of 872 🔗

“Therefore, the nature of propaganda is necessarily simplicity and repetition. Only those who can reduce problems to the simplest formula and have the courage to repeat it endlessly in this simplified form even against the objections of the intellectuals will achieve lasting success in influencing public opinion. So I say to you once again – Hands! Face! Space!”

Joseph Goebbels

(A genuine quotation. Maybe not including the last bit. I’m disappearing for a few days now. Enjoy yourselves.)

321268 Ned of the Hills, 1, #401 of 872 🔗

Figure 3 on this link (sorry it is so long):-


is a graph showing the mortality figures over winter.

Prior to the winter of 2017/18 the five year average peak day was the 31st December. The peak day for 2017/18 was January 5th.

What’s the betting the peak for this winter will fall between those two dates?

This year’s winter graph looks like it will show a sag, rather than a steady climb between the 25th, November and whatever the winter peak turns out to be.

That shallow sag could well be a measure of the impact of last month’s Lockdown. Not very effective if it is – but then they’ve got this new supper supper virus to explain all that away.

321272 DRW, 5, #402 of 872 🔗

“Covid: TERRIFYING SURGE anticipated as fears alarming LUNAR MUTANT is AlREADY in atmosphere”

321278 BeBopRockSteady, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 8, #403 of 872 🔗

I just watched an 18 stone man dressed as a zombie hitting a man over the head with a chair asking him to “cover your mouth please”. Covid Marshall then hands over a mask to the man on the ground.

Nobody in the packed street (no social distancing whatsoever) bats an eyelid. 2020

321304 ▶▶ Mark, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 2, #404 of 872 🔗

Sounds alarming. Mexico?

321863 ▶▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to Mark, #405 of 872 🔗

It’s ATL today. The very last item posted.

321325 ▶▶ J4mes, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 1, #406 of 872 🔗

Are you sure you weren’t watching WWE? I understand it might be difficult to tell, given the fact reality and fiction converged in 2020.

321280 Liberty, 15, #407 of 872 🔗

A Visit from Granny

‘Twas the night before Christmas, when all through tier four
Not a household was mixing, the PM had implored ;
The presents were posted; wrapped with such care,
Hopes dashed that relatives soon would be there;
The children were dreaming as they lay in their beds;
While visions of better years danced in their heads;
And mum, lockdown sceptic, and I with my views,
Had just settled down for the BBC news,
When out on the drive we heard boxes clatter ,
We sprang from our chairs to see what was the matter.
Away to the windows we flew like a flash,
We realised Granny had done a mad dash.
The lights from the homes on the road where we live,
Shone a beam on the presents Granny wanted to give.
When our small children’s wondering eyes did appear,
It wasn’t a dream, there Granny was here!
With a little commotion, we had to be quick,
We hustled in Granny our movements were slick.
More rapid than eagles we helped hide her shame,
She hugged all the children and called them by name:
“My Rosie! My Jamie! My Daisy and Carrie!
My Thomas! My Benji! My Anna and Harry!
I’ve missed you all so! I couldn’t do Zoom!
Now hug me! And hold me! And show me my room!”

321281 fiery, 14, #408 of 872 🔗

Merry Christmas fellow sceptics and many thanks to Toby and his team for your tireless work in keeping this site afloat. I know I don’t comment as much as some – I just don’t have the time or energy after working long hours and spending as much time as I can outdoors. I visit the site everyday and in these desolate feeling times it’s been good to know there are like minded folk out there. Christmas feels particularly bleak and heartbreaking for me as my husband and I won’t be spending it with my elderly parents. They are too far away to make a return trip in a day and live on a road of curtain twitchers. I’m normally a feisty rule breaker in all of this charade and now feel I’ve caved in as I simply can’t afford a fine.

321283 NickR, replying to NickR, 7, #409 of 872 🔗

If you plot both positive test results and hospital admissions as a % of tests conducted you see an interesting thing. There’s no lag in response! What could account for this? We should expect to see a 1 to 2 week lag in hospital admissions, but it’s not there. This could be due to lots of people in hospital being tested positive. Again, looks a lot like inaccurate testing.

321416 ▶▶ Ben, replying to NickR, 1, #410 of 872 🔗

I don’t care about the graphs. I want my human rights back

321444 ▶▶▶ Two-Six, replying to Ben, 1, #411 of 872 🔗

What do you mean you don’t want graphs???

321302 stoptheworld, replying to stoptheworld, 9, #413 of 872 🔗

Apparently there is a new mutant “gunshot” strain of Covid where the symptoms include bullet holes. Can’t imagine that masks, social distancing or vaccines will be very effective against this deadly mutation.


321332 ▶▶ dpj, replying to stoptheworld, 2, #414 of 872 🔗

Mandatory bullet-proof vests for everyone then

321365 ▶▶▶ Bella Donna, replying to dpj, 2, #415 of 872 🔗

It’s Wankok and Bozo who’ll be needing bullet proof vests.

321362 ▶▶ Bella Donna, replying to stoptheworld, 1, #416 of 872 🔗

It can’t be that deadly as it has taken 3 months to admit it exists.

321311 crimsonpirate, replying to crimsonpirate, #417 of 872 🔗

Hopefully we have reached the moment where Boris declares “My work is done”. Quite an achievement Brexit and Project Fear.

321351 ▶▶ Bella Donna, replying to crimsonpirate, 4, #418 of 872 🔗

It’s BRINO not Brexit but frightening the public into giving up their civil rights and their freedoms will certainly place him in the history books, but not as the great hero and champion!

321358 ▶▶ DJ Dod, replying to crimsonpirate, 3, #419 of 872 🔗

It looks like the trade deal compromise is in the bag, so all Boris has to do now is keep everyone locked up until we are so desperate for a return to normality that we will thank him for letting us out. Obviously freedom will be conditional on our agreement not to mention the care home deaths, economic devastation, missed cancer treatments, field hospitals that were never used, etc. etc.

I can’t see him stepping back when he is so close to getting away with it. I predict gongs all round for the scaremongers and a second term for Boris!

321361 ▶▶▶ Bella Donna, replying to DJ Dod, 2, #420 of 872 🔗

Oh please no 2nd term for him. I cannot take much more of this crap.

321368 ▶▶▶ Fingerache Philip., replying to DJ Dod, #421 of 872 🔗

The kicked dog syndrome: A kicked dog ( collaborating sheep) is always more faithful and devoted to it’s master.

321409 ▶▶ Ben, replying to crimsonpirate, 5, #422 of 872 🔗

Boris is not responsible for Covid-project fear. He’s simply taking orders. Name one potential Prime Minister who will cancel lockdowns and restrictions. (Keir Starmer is ten times worse.)

Dismayed that people think this is happening because of ‘Boris’. It’s happening all over the world

321446 ▶▶▶ Victoria, replying to Ben, #423 of 872 🔗

Some others are saying Boris, Gove & Priti are behind everything – people like Hancock just the puppet

321466 ▶▶▶▶ J4mes, replying to Victoria, 3, #424 of 872 🔗

None of them are the core drivers of this madness. Politicians are merely puppets, they facilitate and operate the orders taken from very unpleasant and powerful institutions, families and individuals. Given the madness we have endured this year, is it really so hard to believe the conspiracy theories are untrue about the Illuminati?

It doesn’t matter who you vote for, we will still arrive at the same destination.

321472 ▶▶▶ RickH, replying to Ben, #425 of 872 🔗

He’s simply taking orders”

Not sure where you get this from – he’s been totally consistent with his known character flaws.

321528 ▶▶▶ crimsonpirate, replying to Ben, #426 of 872 🔗

in this case Project Fear is specific to Brexit not Covid. As you mention Keir Starmer is proposing much tougher lockdowns based I guess on a public demand for such a thing.

321415 ▶▶ Paulus, replying to crimsonpirate, #427 of 872 🔗

Chaos, panic and disorder, my work here is done!

321317 J4mes, replying to J4mes, 6, #428 of 872 🔗

I hadn’t heard they wanted to use schools as part of the mass vaccine roll-out. This is insidious. Knowing the vaccine has not been thoroughly tested (and is being produced by people with ulterior motives), this is guaranteed to f*** up the next generation, one way or another – and all to “save granny in her 90’s” – oh and the NHS .

321348 ▶▶ Bella Donna, replying to J4mes, 4, #429 of 872 🔗

Using granny and the NHS was nothing sort of psychological warfare and therefore should be ignored.

321453 ▶▶▶ J4mes, replying to Bella Donna, #430 of 872 🔗

It is and should, but I’d say the whole caboodle is psychological warfare! There’s not a lot of tangible physical reality happening in the realms of Covid-19.

321398 ▶▶ DavidC, replying to J4mes, 1, #431 of 872 🔗

Something I don’t understand – as most grannies over the age of 90 will be in care and nursing homes without the ability to be visited by loved ones, there is little or no danger of killing granny. Have I missed something?


321402 ▶▶ Ben, replying to J4mes, 5, #432 of 872 🔗

I’m starting to seriously consider the conspiracy theories surrounding steralization, especially after hearing bona-fide scientists talk about the unfortunate steralising effects of the new vaccine.

There’s no doubt the Chinese-style social credit system that the West is so keen to adopt can only be implemented using vaccines as a pretext (immunity passports)

I wonder if life in China or North Korea is better

321445 ▶▶▶ J4mes, replying to Ben, #433 of 872 🔗

I think we can be sure Madcock and the self-appointed Voice of Britain, Piers Morgan, will be taking a saline solution rather than the actual vaccine when they get the jab on live TV for the Corona Cult to feel assured of its safety.

321448 ▶▶ Victoria, replying to J4mes, #434 of 872 🔗

There are also studies linking the vaccine to fertility issues – more in-depth research required

321554 ▶▶ Carrie, replying to J4mes, #435 of 872 🔗

Vaccinating children is part of a mass sterilisation plan – depopulation by the back door..

321324 Awkward Git, replying to Awkward Git, 7, #436 of 872 🔗

Absolutely the last post before I sat eating and drinking. Got sent this just now by a friend, published mid-October:


In it it says:

Recommended actions

All laboratories should determine the threshold for a positive result at the limit of detection based on the in-use assay.

It is necessary to strike a balance between the risk of false positive test results and an acceptable level of delay in test turnaround time (time taken to report results).

I’m guessing this is Government’s cop out and they can blame the testing labs for the “results” when the shit hits the fan.

321451 ▶▶ Victoria, replying to Awkward Git, #437 of 872 🔗

Great post!!

321327 Hoppy Uniatz, replying to Hoppy Uniatz, #438 of 872 🔗

In case anyone else is having trouble finding the latest Peter Hitchens/Mike Graham interview.


321335 ▶▶ J4mes, replying to Hoppy Uniatz, 5, #439 of 872 🔗

Since Hitchens was the only journalist talking sense from the start of this madness, I have looked out for his latest blogs. Unfortunately, he continues the claim the government is acting on bad advice, politicians are dumb and incompetent. This flags him up as false opposition in my books.

321355 ▶▶▶ Julian, replying to J4mes, 8, #440 of 872 🔗

Just because he doesn’t share your views on the reasons, I don’t see how you can justify calling him false opposition. If you are that exclusionist you’ll have a small group and nothing more.

If PH doesn’t despise with all his heart the government and what they have done, he’s the best actor and liar in history

His assessment of the PM and Hancock is much more than that they are dumb and incompetent and badly advised, but that they are covering their arses for political reasons, which is simply wicked, so I think it is inaccurate to characterise his position in this way

321369 ▶▶▶▶ Mark, replying to Julian, #441 of 872 🔗

Well, doubtless we are false opposition as well.

321521 ▶▶▶▶ J4mes, replying to Julian, 3, #442 of 872 🔗

As long as I am myself entitled to an opinion, I’m going to use it to disagree with you Julian. Hitchens continues to write a blog for a newspaper that stands alongside the worst of sensationalist rags available. I have seen with my own eyes them staging psyops to discredit movements that oppose globalisation. They flip-flop as fast as the wind blows to suit which ever agenda is being operated by the government – whether it looks like they support it or not.

While Hitchens has indeed been scathing of Madcock and Co., he always rounds it off with a conclusion that they’re “misguided” and “dumb”. I’ve read every blog he’s written since April and read many of his Twatter posts and he has, in his own words, been very consistent throughout.

As long as I’m permitted to it, my opinion is that if you run a campaign like he has, ignoring all the evidence available that shows the Corona madness was planned ( frequently pointed out to Hitchens), is that you’re deliberately misleading people (using the Daily Mail as a platform, no less).

Unfortunately, the evidence I mention is quickly ebbing away as websites that have for years exposed the criminal activities of those driving this are being shut down.

321363 ▶▶▶ jonathan Palmer, replying to J4mes, 2, #443 of 872 🔗

Yes like our own John P he wants to see written evidence.

321545 ▶▶▶▶ J4mes, replying to jonathan Palmer, #444 of 872 🔗

He has been provided evidence for months, but he doesn’t acknowledge it or the people who try to alert him to it. Hitchens has got massive experience and knowledge of the political world, I find it implausible that he isn’t aware of the Great Reset – just as a starting point.

321366 ▶▶▶ Mark, replying to J4mes, 1, #445 of 872 🔗

You get to choose what you write in your own book, obviously, but imo it’s pretty untenable to class him as “false opposition”. You’d struggle to find any public figure more genuinely opposed to the current political and cultural establishment than Hitchens.

321551 ▶▶▶▶ J4mes, replying to Mark, #446 of 872 🔗

Indeed it is impossible to find ANY public figure that is honest enough to talk openly about the real political structures of this country, Europe and USA, etc. Hitchens does come close, and it could simply be a case that he needs to protect himself that he doesn’t take a step further – in which case I’d certainly withdraw my accusation of fake opposition.

However, he does still work for the Daily Mail…

321394 ▶▶▶ Ben, replying to J4mes, 1, #447 of 872 🔗

He’s either in denial or he’s controlled opposition. The former I hope

321344 ▶▶ Fingerache Philip., replying to Hoppy Uniatz, #448 of 872 🔗

Agree, the only way I could watch it was on my smartphone.
Unable to pick it up on the television or tablet.

321329 Rosie, replying to Rosie, 15, #449 of 872 🔗

An article from your very own trepid reporter https://www.conservativewoman.co.uk/a-lockdown-opponents-diary-of-despair/

I’d wanted to call it something more positive btw in case you are wondering.
Thanks to the many people here who have encouraged me – both in my adventures and to write about them.

321382 ▶▶ Charlie Blue, replying to Rosie, 3, #450 of 872 🔗

Powerful and strangely beautiful. Well done, Rosie.

321407 ▶▶ DavidC, replying to Rosie, 3, #451 of 872 🔗

Well done Rosie and nice to see a picture of you as well.


321429 ▶▶ Rabbit, replying to Rosie, 3, #452 of 872 🔗

Great article!

321439 ▶▶▶ Rosie, replying to Rabbit, 3, #453 of 872 🔗

Thank you Rabbit and Charlie Blue, and I’d wanted to improve the prose, but wasn’t possible with editorial constraints, etc, so I’m pleased that a strange beauty still came over, I intended that.

321447 ▶▶ Rosie, replying to Rosie, 1, #454 of 872 🔗

PS I’d be grateful for a few more thumbs up on the original article! I’ve some more pieces I’m hoping they’ll want to publish 😉

321494 ▶▶▶ Mark, replying to Rosie, 1, #455 of 872 🔗

I’ve thumbed it up – it’s good work.

321336 angry medical student, replying to angry medical student, -12, #456 of 872 🔗

very disappointing to see you promoting HIV / AIDS denialism. hugely damaging to your credibility.

321338 ▶▶ Dan Clarke, replying to angry medical student, 6, #457 of 872 🔗

I didnt read it like that, more about the herd insanity which did exist at the time

321359 ▶▶▶ mjr, replying to Dan Clarke, 8, #458 of 872 🔗

and me .. no one denies that AIDS is still an issue in parts of the world – Africa particularly. However i remember the scares at the time – how tens of thousands were going to die in the UK, how you would die if you were touched by someone else’s bodily fluids , etc etc . the hysteria was similar to that around covid.
And what was worse the sexual liberalism of previous years suddenly disappeared. Not that i was getting any anyway!!!

321536 ▶▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to mjr, 1, #459 of 872 🔗

… no one denies that AIDS is still an issue in parts of the world – Africa particularly.

After the past 10 months, you’re still willing to believe what governments, the medical profession, and big pharma tell us ?

321364 ▶▶ DocRC, replying to angry medical student, 7, #460 of 872 🔗

I didn’t think it was meant in that way- just saying how it took years for the hysteria to settle and for the message that “we are all going to die” to be proven to be blatant nonsense. For the sake of clarity, can you post a link to a definitive paper on the connection between HIV and AIDS so we can put this canard to bed?

321370 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to angry medical student, 2, #461 of 872 🔗

Is it denialism? That’s a loaded word and evokes thoughts of holocaust deniers etc. The technical argument as to what lies behind the claim is based on fundamental concepts of “proof”. It may be a fringe view, very technical, and much work would have been done to lend weight to the connection between the two. However, can someone still be seeking more conclusive proof at the fundamental level? Can doubt, not denialism, still be acceptedable? If not, we are dealing in dogma I would suggest.

321532 ▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to BeBopRockSteady, #462 of 872 🔗

However, can someone still be seeking more conclusive proof at the fundamental level? Can doubt, not denialism, still be accepteable? If not, we are dealing in dogma I would suggest.

As per ‘holocaust deniers’, yes ?

321388 ▶▶ Ben, replying to angry medical student, #463 of 872 🔗

I have no opinion on this, but my eyes have been opened to Pharma and political corruption and the way health crises are opportunistically exploited. I recall hearing Kary Mullis (inventor of the PCR test) mention something about AIDS/HIV not being what the media describes it as. However, I could be incorrect about this

I would not be surprised either way

321458 ▶▶ Victoria, replying to angry medical student, 1, #464 of 872 🔗

How on earth did you come to such a conclusion?

321527 ▶▶ JohnB, replying to angry medical student, 1, #465 of 872 🔗

ooh, ‘denialism’ ! 🙂

77th I reckon.

321572 ▶▶ Portnadler, replying to angry medical student, 2, #466 of 872 🔗

I think the ghost of HIV was bound to be resurrected sooner or later. The parallels between the HIV scare and covid are breathtaking. Remember the tombstones on the TV ads? They got it wrong then and they are getting it wrong now. Viruses don’t cause disease – they exploit human ill health. People with compromised immune systems did indeed get AIDS, just as people who have poor immunity now get covid. The real denialism is doctors and medical scientists refusing to look closely at poor immunity and at why people are succumbing to covid, instead of blaming it on poor handwashing technique.

321337 BeBopRockSteady, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 6, #467 of 872 🔗


Email exchange with the MHRA confirming that the Pfzier/BioMTech vaccine was using a computer generated genome sequence for development and not an isolated virus from an infected person.

Given it has been isolated according to many dismissing the ‘not been isolated’ claims, why wouldn’t they just use the real thing?

Thats a genuine question as I don’t know the technical answer. They could be well within their rights to do so.

321340 ▶▶ Bella Donna, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 1, #468 of 872 🔗

It sounds more like fiddling with our DNA!

321379 ▶▶ Ben, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 2, #469 of 872 🔗

I’ve gone past the science – I demand my human rights back

321470 ▶▶ Tee Ell, replying to BeBopRockSteady, -1, #470 of 872 🔗

The isolation argument has never really resonated with me.

I’m no biologist but when people clamour for Koch’s postulate to be fulfilled to the letter, it feels a little like refusing to believe fish exist unless someone can successfully breed them outside of water.

321342 common conservative, 23, #471 of 872 🔗

Merry Christmas everyone. I want to say a big Thank you to the site’s owners and commenters. You have been a massive source of comfort. Have a lovely Christmas and, all things being equal with regard to family members and friends, don’t let the bastards’ unlawful, inhuman, evil diktats get in the way of you enjoying the Christmas you had planned. Enjoy it. It’s YOUR Christmas to enjoy, not theirs to ruin.

We fight on in 2021. Because it’s far from over.

God bless

321347 smileymiley, replying to smileymiley, 3, #472 of 872 🔗

This is saying that week ending 20/12/2020 only 50 cases of Covid 19 in England & Wales.


321350 ▶▶ smileymiley, replying to smileymiley, 2, #473 of 872 🔗

Hidden on page 14!

321374 ▶▶ Ben, replying to smileymiley, 2, #474 of 872 🔗

What’s a case

A  case?

321399 ▶▶▶ Norman, replying to Ben, #475 of 872 🔗

I assume that this is from random sampling and cases are based on accurate diagnostic methods, not PCR. Has anyone plotted the weekly totals since spring 2020? I think I know what the chart would look like but a picture is worth 1,000 words.

321357 Silke David, replying to Silke David, 8, #477 of 872 🔗

The article about the student being stuck at UEA and not going home to Kent made me angry.
Of course you can go home!
But then you read he helped test students, so you win the award of UAE collaborator of the year!
I do NOT feel sorry for you!!!

321376 ▶▶ jb12, replying to Silke David, #478 of 872 🔗

‘Woe is me.’

321381 ▶▶ steve_w, replying to Silke David, #479 of 872 🔗


321367 mjr, replying to mjr, 1, #480 of 872 🔗

i know we all avoid the news as much as possible .. but it seems as though a Brexit deal has been done this morning
does this mean Johnson goes now he is surplus to Brexit requirements?,

321372 ▶▶ Ben, replying to mjr, #481 of 872 🔗

I hope Johnson stays because Starmer is a dictator-in-waiting

321404 ▶▶▶ Will, replying to Ben, 2, #482 of 872 🔗

How does Starmer become PM without a general election?

321435 ▶▶▶▶ Rosie, replying to Will, 3, #483 of 872 🔗

Government of National Unity – they’ve been promoting it for a long time, that’s how ….

321514 ▶▶▶▶▶ Ovis, replying to Rosie, 1, #484 of 872 🔗

Let them do it. If there ever is another election, both parties will be punished. Either way, it’s not as if policy would differ.

321371 TyRade, 6, #485 of 872 🔗

The diversity of viruses is going to be beyond woke. Soon…

  • the Mexican virus call it ‘the Sombrero’, to be squashed
  • the Australian virus, say ‘the kangaroo’, symptoms include manic bouncing
  • the Scottish virus, ‘the Sturg-one’, cause of rapid height loss (comes with subtitles)
  • the German virus, ‘the Luftwaffe’, despoiling especially the South East
  • the Calais virus, ‘the dinghy’, seaborne and untroubled by coastal defences
  • the Mexican virus, ‘the Aztec’, causes spontaneous human sacrifice
321378 godowneasy, replying to godowneasy, 2, #486 of 872 🔗

Recommended article by the always excellent Iain Davis, blogger In-This -Together. Here he covers some interesting and, to me, surprising facts about the vaccine trials, focussing on the Pfizer / BionTech mRNA vaccine. His main point, backed up with details, is that none of the trial phases has been completed.


321433 ▶▶ Norman, replying to godowneasy, #487 of 872 🔗

Interesting podcast/interview with a US vaccine expert


The interviewer is a US doctor whose own work I find extremely interesting, but he’s not a vaccine expert so he may have too much faith in that side of ‘medicine’.

321380 steve_w, replying to steve_w, 3, #488 of 872 🔗

amazed that they are still sending infected people back into care homes

‘but they isolate for 2 weeks’

if we have to shut down society to prevent infection leaking into care homes, I don’t imagine we are going to protect one care home resident from another

321395 ▶▶ chaos, replying to steve_w, 5, #489 of 872 🔗

Do old people want to continue being treated like lepers? Do we want to isolate them forever? Old people die. Average length of stay in a care home is 2 years then death. If covid 19 really is a novel virus it is now just one virus amongst many that kill the almost dead.

321406 ▶▶▶ steve_w, replying to chaos, 1, #490 of 872 🔗

I think of the deaths ‘with’ covid, 30,000 or so happened because of infecting the care homes. 20,000 from missed cancer treatment. ie most ‘deaths’ were from the government response. if we hadn’t had that it would more or less gone unnoticed. best to not infect care homes as that’s where the vulnerable are

ps – I don’t want to isolate anybody. just be careful with the vulnerable because it seems to send society into a panic

321410 ▶▶▶▶ chaos, replying to steve_w, 1, #491 of 872 🔗

With a cold, covid.. not from it. And even then likely not with it.

321421 ▶▶▶▶▶ steve_w, replying to chaos, 1, #492 of 872 🔗

I agree. we should just get over it. but a peak in deaths in march (all cause) sent society into a meltdown. shouldnt have happened but it did. not seeding the care homes would have helped

321411 ▶▶▶▶ DavidC, replying to steve_w, 1, #493 of 872 🔗

I still fume at the sending back of old people to nursing and care homes – government mandated muder, no less than that. Disgusting.


321414 ▶▶▶ J4mes, replying to chaos, 7, #494 of 872 🔗

There was something posted on here yesterday revealing some very sinister suggestion that in the first lockdown, care home residents were being administered strong sedatives that was literally killing them. This, it is claimed, was the massive spike of deaths which has been used ever since to justify this madness.

If you’ve had a relative in a care home, you’ll know they dope them up with all sorts of ‘medicine’ without your consent. The so-called ‘carers’ are horrible people in my experience.

321426 ▶▶▶▶ steve_w, replying to J4mes, 7, #495 of 872 🔗

it wouldn’t surprise me. and it wouldn’t surprise me if the peak in deaths in march/april was due to stress and old people being surrounded by people in hazmat suits sticking things up their noses. vulnerable people are – vulnerable

321582 ▶▶▶▶ Mutineer, replying to J4mes, #496 of 872 🔗

The elderly were culled deliberately. The ‘protect the elderly’ mantra makes me weep when they were as good as murdered and many have given up the will to live. If the average stay in a care home is 2 years many will never see their loved ones ever again.

321679 ▶▶▶▶ Portnadler, replying to J4mes, #497 of 872 🔗

More here in a pre-covid Guardian article:


Covid was a disaster waiting to happen.

321387 Hubes, replying to Hubes, 42, #498 of 872 🔗

Have a good Christmas folks.

Don’t forget to wear at least 8 layers of full PPE when eating your Christmas dinners (in the garden) otherwise you’ll infect and kill everybody there.

Whatever mutant super strains of bs they bring out in 2021, however many lockdowns we have to still endure and however bleak it looks, everybody on here should take solace that we will outlast the rest of the population and the government during this war of attrition. They are both incredibly weak mentally. However, you can’t bully, intimidate, manipulate, brainwash, abuse or crush people’s spirits, who are able to think for and stand up for themselves.

Fuck em all. Carry on living your life.

321419 ▶▶ mjr, replying to Hubes, 3, #499 of 872 🔗

mandatory christmas dinner masks now available

321424 ▶▶▶ mjr, replying to mjr, 15, #500 of 872 🔗

like this

321629 ▶▶▶▶ Waldorf, replying to mjr, #501 of 872 🔗

This poor devil ( Freeway , 1996) can only ingest chicken soup with a drinking straw. However if the food is in liquid form these masks would be ideal. They could be worn during a meal.

321392 Basics, 4, #502 of 872 🔗

Guardiangchq piping it out this morning.
“More deaths in next six months than in whole of 2020 without stricter controls – study”
No link as not worth giving them traffic.
“Analysis from London School of Hygiene and Tropical Medicine also says vaccine programme must be accelerated”
Bonus 2nd comment!
Just found a video of the policing at Downing Street. If ever there was a scene of establishment cowardice that is it. Barriers in front of barriers in front of gates in front of etc. Policed by muppet crap hat police who wide eyed say they have never heard of George Orwell or 1984 – well done cameraman for asking. Grunts like that are incompetent its tge offiers commanding SGTs? On the ground that are the true slime – they are ghouls with awareness to draw comparison to 1984 and themselves.

321393 chaos, #503 of 872 🔗
321400 George L, 4, #504 of 872 🔗

WHY ARE THEY RUSHING A VACCINE.. Psycho-Neurobiology anyone????
I’ve watched Dr Carrie Madej’s warning videos on this, but the video below has sealed it for me. Brain control, straight from the mouth of the US military at West Point.

32 minutes is a good starting point . When you know the virus is a hoax, there has to be another reason for the manic desire to vaccinate people, and its not just money. This psyop has always been about control.


321403 Sceptical Steve, replying to Sceptical Steve, 9, #505 of 872 🔗

Also in today’s Guardian…

Before the announcement, Christina Pagel, professor of operational research at University College London, said waiting until Boxing Day to put more areas into tier 4 was too slow.
She told Times Radio: “We are in an incredibly dangerous situation … If we just wait and we let it spread to the north, where things are much more under control, then the whole country is on fire and I just feel like we have to stop it now and protect the north from the south, effectively.”

I’m sorry, but that just sounds hysterical. In the good old days some well-meaning passer-by would have given her a slap and told her to pull herself together, and we’ll all be better off!

321668 ▶▶ George L, replying to Sceptical Steve, 1, #506 of 872 🔗

I’m sorry, but that just sounds hysterical. In the good old days some well-meaning passer-by would have given her a slap and told her to pull herself together, and we’ll all be better off!

Oh man, how true, and how it made me laugh. That’s one hysterical woman who can definitely be described as a bedwetter. .

321413 Major Panic, 4, #507 of 872 🔗

There is rumour of a deadly mutant virus that has lay dormant for decades but has surfaced recently and stealthily killing hundreds of thousands around the world. Unbelievably this virus can take on human form…..

With this knowledge, look closely at Boris, Wancock, weeee Krankeeeee, Biden, Merkel etc – they are all mutant viruses…..

The free world is fucked!

Have a masked and gagged Xmas and don’t freeze granny – stay safe

321417 Sasha, replying to Sasha, 9, #508 of 872 🔗

There is a place where civilized life is normal and people can have fun without risking arrest for something that isn’t even breaking the law and the police can’t just make it up as they go along and threaten and bully you and throw you to the ground for doing nothing more than walking around in a public place.

Christmas time in Stockholm. Virtual walk compilation with Christmas lights and snow

321499 ▶▶ JHuntz, replying to Sasha, 2, #509 of 872 🔗

I suspect they will use this to lock them down in January. The narrative in Sweden has changed drastically of late.

321526 ▶▶▶ Will, replying to JHuntz, #510 of 872 🔗

The Swedish politicians have done enough to be able to claim credit for the falling figures. Their population is considerably less stupid than ours, however, and I suspect they will be able to spot nature’s handiwork.

321565 ▶▶▶ Tom Blackburn, replying to JHuntz, #511 of 872 🔗

Has it actually though? Introducing minimal measures (recommended but not enforced) towards the end of the nonsense.

321425 Tom Blackburn, 2, #512 of 872 🔗

Philosophy Phursday – Christmas Edition

And you prisoners, this is the end of this Christmas play which was written for you. You are not happy, and maybe there is more than one of you who has that taste of gall in his mouth… But I think that for you, too, on this Christmas Day – and every other day – there’ll still be joy!

– Satre

321428 Will, 1, #513 of 872 🔗

I assume the ONS are guesstimating their figures and have failed to report the failed to report the findings of their survey yet again…

321434 Lainey, 10, #514 of 872 🔗

In a time of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act
– Orwell.
I refuse to entertain notions of whether we need vaccines, travel bans, tiers and on and on and on because the initial premise is completely faulty!!!
The die is cast and people are busying themselves arguing about letting people in and out of the country, what they can and can’t do and forgetting it’s all nonsensical. The WEF and CCP have won.

321438 Smelly Melly, replying to Smelly Melly, 9, #515 of 872 🔗

The song “Boris Johnson is a fucking cunt”, on the iTunes charts is No 2 (just like Johnson is) and 7 & 8 and 14 & 16 (accusative versions, remix versions). It’s number 8 in the official charts. Keep playing it.

321452 ▶▶ Tom Blackburn, replying to Smelly Melly, 2, #516 of 872 🔗

The powers that be simply won’t allow it – a la GSTQ

321440 chaos, 12, #517 of 872 🔗

The Great Reset.

Two layers. Two sets of dupes.

Dupe Set 1
The plebs inc. most MP’s. They believe in the pandemic.

Dupe Set 2
The Leaders, PM’s, presidents, Those in charge of Twitter/YouTube, newspapers.. they think they really are using covid to herald in an era of green utopia. That this little white lie will lead us to a liberal wet-dream Shangrila.

321456 Polonium186, 2, #518 of 872 🔗

I was thinking about the best song to summarise 2020 and one that comes to mind is Marylin Manson’s Seizure of Power.

321460 Tenchy, 32, #519 of 872 🔗

The Telegraph coronavirus live feed (free):


Christmas bubbles: Household mixing plans should be ‘reconsidered’, says Sage member

A member of the Government’s SAGE advisory body has called on people planning to see relatives on Christmas Day to ‘reconsider’ in light of surging infections due to the new variant, reports Mike Wright.

Dame Anne Johnson, a professor of infectious disease epidemiology at UCL, said people had to ‘think carefully’ about the risks of infecting relatives they visit in person.

Here comments come as around 18 million people have been placed into Tier 4 restrictions, which ban any mixing on Christmas Day, with millions more are set to go into the highest tier from Boxing Day.

However, millions of families in Tiers 1 to 3 are currently allowed to mix with one other household on Christmas Day.

Speaking on the BBC Radio 4 Today programme, Dame Johson [sic] said: “I would really urge everybody to think very carefully. It is not too late to reconsider your plans and there are people who are going to get ill over the next few days and they absolutely must not mix with other people – they must self isolate.

“Everybody has to think very carefully about those risks, balancing the needs for people of both their health issues and social issues of those who are very extremely isolated.”

Fuck off.

321461 Basileus, replying to Basileus, 10, #520 of 872 🔗

My wife found a couple of pages in the local council magazine about the Swine Flu ‘epidemic’. You can access it here:


Note, it says that masks do not help.

321535 ▶▶ Simon Cook, replying to Basileus, #521 of 872 🔗

Thanks for sharing Basileus

321464 Cheezilla, replying to Cheezilla, 9, #522 of 872 🔗

I’ve just signed this. I was number 9859. Only needs a few more. Please sign and pass it on. Thanks.

“Do not start mass testing in schools or require asymptomatic students to isolate”

321467 ▶▶ Ben, replying to Cheezilla, 7, #523 of 872 🔗

Unions have betrayed teachers, pupils, humanity

321663 ▶▶▶ George L, replying to Ben, 2, #524 of 872 🔗

Yes, its because their leaders are all on six figure salaries and want to keep them. They’ve joined the Big Club..

321471 ▶▶ Stephanos, replying to Cheezilla, 2, #525 of 872 🔗

Signed. I was number 9913.

321478 ▶▶▶ Ovis, replying to Stephanos, 1, #526 of 872 🔗


321504 ▶▶ p02099003, replying to Cheezilla, 3, #527 of 872 🔗

Over 10000 now

321518 ▶▶ Tenchy, replying to Cheezilla, 1, #528 of 872 🔗


321465 Basics, replying to Basics, 8, #529 of 872 🔗

And off he zips – our friendly shorts wearing postie – dashes off to santa-ize the neighbourhood. As I look on from frosted window I can help but wonder at the immense protection posties have wading out into that plague. Vectors of doom you might imagine. Not a bit of it, jolly about it too. My thoughts are with those who have a masked fearful postie delivering a faceful of misery as they fight their way through life.

Has Royal Mail issued ppe face masks? The RM have bag weight limits 20kg for first and 16kg thereafter or something like. The correct approved shoes must be worn. I wonder if sums have been done to calculate the mask into the equasion.

Well done our guy normal.

321475 ▶▶ Alice, replying to Basics, 4, #530 of 872 🔗

I also have a lovely postman – greets everyone with a cheerful smile (mask on chin).

321539 ▶▶ Silke David, replying to Basics, 2, #531 of 872 🔗

Just had a call from my friend in Germany her parcel has returned, apparently I refused to accept it.
We think they did not even send it off.

321468 swedenborg, replying to swedenborg, 8, #532 of 872 🔗

Anybody seeing the below definition what is C-19 hospital admission can see the enormous flaw in the data and the complete destruction of any meaningful data due to our reliance on PCR.

The most important thing would be hospital admittance with CLI illness diagnosed at or the day after admittance or rapid deterioration at home being diagnosed PCR a few days before being admitted. These will all be picked up by the current system. This is the patient category which might end up in ICU and deaths due to illness. This must be the truest burden of the disease.

But we have a substantial number of patients having PCR pos within 14 days which has low viral load not having any respiratory symptoms (at least not from Covid-19) and being admitted for something else be it chest pain, fractures, stroke etc .They might end up in ICU having still the C-19 stamp and using ventilators for non C-19 reasons. They are all stamped C-19 cases

Do we screen respiratory illness hospital admittance for other respiratory viruses routinely? Or do we rely solely on PCR test even 14 days earlier and stop bothering about alternative viruses?
It is easy to see that many hospital admittances are not acute C-19 infection related. We could even have a substantial amount of respiratory hospital admittance stamped as C-19 having other viruses like influenza, parainfluenza etc and some of them could even be in the ICU as C-19 cases.

This misdiagnosis of C-19 did not occur (or much less) in the spring wave. The idiotic mass screening instituted by the politicians has landed us with almost impossible data to determine policy.

321485 ▶▶ Tenchy, replying to swedenborg, 4, #533 of 872 🔗

It’s a bloody outrage. I wonder what the number of admissions would be if it was based on the (sensible) criteria you specify – what %age reduction might there be?

321493 ▶▶ RickH, replying to swedenborg, 5, #534 of 872 🔗

A central point, swedenborg. It relates to my continuing concern (above) about this site quoting PCR ‘case’ data without adequate qualification.

The problem of good data was highlighted way back in March, when John Lee first wrote in the Spectator about the revision of death certification. One can’t but think that there is deliberate obfuscation behind all this confusion, given the well-known flaws.

321516 ▶▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to RickH, 2, #535 of 872 🔗

It’s deliberate no doubt. Hiwecer, it may well be seen justified by the powers that be. Across the board, if we stay within the incompetence lane, there has been an explicit decision to hype the fear by whatever means. To e force compliance with the NHS and general public both

321542 ▶▶▶ mjr, replying to RickH, 4, #536 of 872 🔗

the use of “case” has been annoying for months and i have flagged it here many times, reminding people that we are talking about “tests that have indicated a positive” (whether asymtomatic, false positive, process error etc etc). unfortunately the government and NHS refer to these positives as cases and the gullible public still believe a case is someone who is actually ill

321469 J4mes, replying to J4mes, 7, #537 of 872 🔗

Another site I have frequented for years has been shut down/blocked from all browsers. Clearly censorship of sites that expose the criminal activities of certain people and certain groups is occurring as rapidly as global government authoritarian rule.

321660 ▶▶ George L, replying to J4mes, #538 of 872 🔗

Couldn’t agree more, so many sites I used to visit have gone. One of my favourites The Green Agenda.com had a wealth of information on the whole Green Climate scam dating back to the 90’s and the Rio Earth Summit to this day. Such a crying shame..

321476 Ben, replying to Ben, 5, #539 of 872 🔗

‘Should the BBC receive funding from the Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation?’


321484 ▶▶ J4mes, replying to Ben, 6, #540 of 872 🔗

Every time I see the BBC flag up in a forum like this I am compelled, like my knee spasms to the whack of a mallet, to urge everyone to think twice about renewing their licence. You can legally stop paying them: get rid of your aerial and remove the i-player from your devices. Complete the very short and easy online form, here: https://www.tvlicensing.co.uk/check-if-you-need-one/topics/cancellations-and-refunds-top7

Job’s a good’n.

321530 ▶▶▶ Jakehadlee, replying to J4mes, 1, #541 of 872 🔗

You don’t need to get rid of your aerial, you just need to not watch scheduled TV

321562 ▶▶▶ Simon Dutton, replying to J4mes, 3, #542 of 872 🔗

Just cancel your DD today. You may be able to get a refund for the balance. Do NOT contact TVL under any other circumstances. If you do not watch live broadcasts (TV or internet livestreams) you are under no obligation to buy a TV licence. Full stop. You then have no contract with the BBC and are not obliged to enter into any communication with them.

Indeed, entering into communication with them is foolish and only invites more threats of prosecution. TV Licensing (i.e. Capita) maintains a database of every address in the country (riddled with errors, but that’s by the bye). Every time you interact with TVL you are confirming your name and address; far better to say nothing and become Mr Theo C. Cupier.

321656 ▶▶ George L, replying to Ben, 1, #543 of 872 🔗

No.. simple as.. its compromising. Not that those barstewards need any help with being compromised..

321479 Alice, 9, #544 of 872 🔗

Happy Christmas, my fellow sceptics. Stay sane!

321480 davews, replying to davews, 11, #545 of 872 🔗

The saga goes on. On Monday it was said agreement to reopen the Dover crossing would be in a couple of hours and lorries would soon start moving – agreement sometime on Tuesday, lorries would start moving. Last night they apparently stopped testing overnight, police called in. Today we are told testing has started again but it won’t be until tomorrow that they will start moving. No wonder they are getting upset, they must be desperate.

Same with Brexit. When I woke up Boris was going to give a conference on the hour. Then postponed time and time again, no idea when this new deal will be announced, all the while everybody saying how good it will be (apart from Nigel of course).

I can’t see Boris even surviving Christmas never mind New Year.

321487 ▶▶ Mary Ann Dowrick, replying to davews, 6, #546 of 872 🔗

Utter incompetence by those in office. They should step,down with immediate effect.

321523 ▶▶▶ IanE, replying to Mary Ann Dowrick, 2, #547 of 872 🔗

They SHOULD, but what happens is a different matter!

321495 ▶▶ Tyneside Tigress, replying to davews, 12, #548 of 872 🔗

Those poor lads have no toilet/washing/cooking facilities down there. Absolute disgrace. No senior officials from either Depts of Health or Transport. Only the police, who are in a no-win situation. If this doesn’t bring down the government I don’t know what will.

321533 ▶▶▶ muzzle, replying to Tyneside Tigress, 1, #549 of 872 🔗

Yeah. It’s shocking. Stuck there for Christmas.

321501 ▶▶ Moomin, replying to davews, 8, #550 of 872 🔗

I hope he goes soon, him and his stooges.

321652 ▶▶ George L, replying to davews, 1, #551 of 872 🔗

Well I must say I’ve full confidence in Boris pulling off a superb Brexit deal using the old bumbling Detective Columbo trick. Teach those nasty froggies across La Manche who’s really in the driving seat..

By the way, before offence is taken.. I am one of those froggies.. ha ha.. 😉

321692 ▶▶ Sceptical Steve, replying to davews, #552 of 872 🔗

In actual face, the soon to be ennobled (?) “Lord Farage” has been suspiciously complimentary about the Trade Deal that neither he nor anyone else has had a chance to read.

321483 RickH, 10, #553 of 872 🔗

I note once again, the tendency to quote ‘case’-based data. Why, given its known unreliability?

The tendency just reinforces the government narrative that PCR testing has some diagnostic validity.

Meanwhile the ‘gold standard’ data of all-cause mortality gets mentioned much more infrequently.

To put this disparity in sharp perspective, it’s what allows mickey-mouse computer models and forecasts extensive coverage, whilst the reality, when it emerges, is rarely highlighted.

Look at the ‘Mexican hat’ disaster graphs presented by the Chuckle Brothers from a range of academic sources, with predicted deaths (Covid alone) being at up to 4000 per day in December. How often has the ludicrous nature of these predictions been highlighted with the reality of c. 12000 per week that many of us would have forecast, and has been proved the case.

Yet the charlatans are still given their air-time.

321486 Mary Ann Dowrick, replying to Mary Ann Dowrick, 6, #554 of 872 🔗

Really enjoyed reading your lockdown sceptic newsletter today. Thank you. Will we ever get our lives back without vaccines, lockdowns, further economic and job destruction, censorship of MSM, total lack of clarity from our politicians and the scientists advising them. To all the sheep who are ready to jump off the cliff as soon as the politicians say so, I think you better hold off. Life will return to normal, once the people driving this drama recognise there are more of us not buying the BS than them and they cannot and will not win.

321645 ▶▶ Annie, replying to Mary Ann Dowrick, 4, #555 of 872 🔗

You’re right.It will be a long hard slog, but we shall win. Stand tall, be of good courage, for your God is with you..If you have no God, take courage anyway.

321491 JHuntz, replying to JHuntz, 7, #556 of 872 🔗

The round up article about “ Coronavirus Scandal Breaking in Merkel’s Germany ” is a must read. Just highlights this scam from top to bottom.

My question is will it change anything if Reiner proves it’s a scam. Will it have any meaningful impact given Lisbon have already thrown out PCR yet nothing has changed?

Is there a case challenging PCR in the UK?

321500 ▶▶ Charlie Blue, replying to JHuntz, 6, #557 of 872 🔗

I can’t see the great and good allowing it to change anything. Lies will take care of that. But it’s probably our one great hope.

I don’t think there’s anything in the UK yet but I guess the PCR claims folk are working on it.

321517 ▶▶▶ JHuntz, replying to Charlie Blue, 3, #558 of 872 🔗

Yeah, I guess we have to hope it’s just trying to get the media to run with it. T he public are hopelessly misinformed regards the PCR charade.

321507 ▶▶ Tim Bidie, replying to JHuntz, 3, #559 of 872 🔗

I believe German and English law firms are in contact regarding this matter. Whether proceedings are initiated in England will no doubt depend on what happens in Germany. I think some kind of legal action is also in its early stages in the U.S.

321519 ▶▶▶ JHuntz, replying to Tim Bidie, 3, #560 of 872 🔗

That’s good to hear maybe it will have a snowball effect. I presume the German courts are dragging their heels just like they did in the UK.

321559 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to JHuntz, #561 of 872 🔗

Just seems to load for me. Anyone else?

321601 ▶▶▶ leggy, replying to BeBopRockSteady, #562 of 872 🔗

Wouldn’t load on a phone, loads fine on a PC.

321573 ▶▶ Dan L, replying to JHuntz, 7, #563 of 872 🔗

Germany is key to this whole thing I think. They set the most terrible example for the world to copy with their apparent success of lockdown, mass testing and masks in the spring. Now they are amongst the worst in the world (in deaths, cases) enacting the same policies. It is clear now the early success was just luck as warm weather naturally suppressed the virus. This was good luck for them at the time and bad luck for all us now stuck following the same policies. How do lockdown advocates still have no doubts given the clear failure of lockdown in Germany?

321592 ▶▶▶ Dan L, replying to Dan L, 5, #564 of 872 🔗

I had trouble reading it on my android device. It is viewable in windows.

The article discusses numerous flaws in the PCR test used to detect coronavirus. One striking claim in the article is using a more reasonable 35 cycles for PCR would give corona positive cases 3% of the current number given by running to 45 cycles. That is amazing. If this change is made then the coronavirus “problem” would effectively vanish overnight. This is just one of many issues with the PCR test.

321599 ▶▶▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to Dan L, 3, #565 of 872 🔗

Which begs the question, don’t our leaders and their Sages want this to be over?

321615 ▶▶▶▶▶ Dan L, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 3, #566 of 872 🔗

God knows. Embarrassment? Fear of making a mistake in the opposite direction? Fear of criminal charges? It’s stupid though the longer they carry on the worse it is for them. All hope for them to cover it up hangs on the vaccine. The issue for us is they need now for almost everyone to be vaccinated I think for the cover up to work. This is of course an excellent reason to resist vaccination (if you feel it does not offer you a personal benefit).

321618 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Dan L, replying to Dan L, 4, #567 of 872 🔗

…And we really need the cover up to fail to avoid this setting a pattern for dealing with viruses in future.

Trying to be optimistic – even if the initial cover up succeeds it will surely be uncovered when the panic is over. More critics will appear I think once the fear of appearing to under play things is gone.

321643 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ George L, replying to Dan L, 2, #568 of 872 🔗

I’m firmly of the opinion that the vaccination will either kill you when it meets the new viral pandemic, because we are after all in the decade of pandemics according to Bill Gates, or you will be a totally controlled zombie slave responding to its inflicted Psycho-Neurobiology

321498 quasi_verbatim, 13, #569 of 872 🔗

Those who claim “lockdowns don’t work” know not of what they speak; for lockdowns are not instruments of plague mitigation but of population repression; and ultimately of societal resetting by population suppression – both qualitatively and quantitatively.

321502 kf99, replying to kf99, 9, #570 of 872 🔗

Unbeliveably, Calls from Nats to boycott the Sturgeon mask incident pub. Hopefully proof that social media is no measure of the public mood. Happy Christmas everyone.

321509 ▶▶ dpj, replying to kf99, 7, #571 of 872 🔗

It would appear the thing they are most upset about is the fact that the pub owners are NO voters. If the SNP cult had their way all of us (I voted No) would be thrown out the country.

321557 ▶▶▶ kf99, replying to dpj, 1, #572 of 872 🔗

With their beloved no-deal not happening, they’re reduced to talking about -literally – small potatoes . I’m thinking 2021 might not be so bad after all in Sturgeonland

321568 ▶▶▶▶ dpj, replying to kf99, #573 of 872 🔗

I clicked on the link and some of the comments are hilarious especially this old classic:


I use that to wind up cult members regularly.

321513 ▶▶ JHuntz, replying to kf99, 2, #574 of 872 🔗

Why are they boycotting the pub? She broke the rules what’s it got to do with the pub? Did they take the picture of her?

321503 Salopian, 21, #575 of 872 🔗

Merry Christmas to Toby and team and all contributors to this site ( except the trolls of course)
A light shining in the darkness!

321505 chaos, 12, #576 of 872 🔗

Twas the night before Christmas, when all through the house
Not a lorrydriver was stirring, no sprouts or dead cows
The stockings were hung by the chimney with care,
In hopes that Amazon soon would be there.

The children were nestled all snug in their beds,
While visions of masked people danced in their heads.
And mamma in her ‘kerchief, and I in shrinkwrap,
Had just settled our brains for a long lockdown nap.

321508 Lms23, replying to Lms23, 14, #577 of 872 🔗

John Kerry reveals Biden’s devotion to radical ‘Great Reset’ movement

Socialist Calls Into Hannity Radio Show and Says the Quiet Part Out Loud, “We Don’t Want to Unite with You, We Want to Destroy Every Last One of You” (AUDIO)

I don’t understand how Toby doesn’t believe this is real. It’s not being hidden. They’re boasting about it.
CV19 is real, but the PTB have taken advantage of it to terrify and coerce people into compliance, whilst taking away their freedom and rights.

321546 ▶▶ OKUK, replying to Lms23, 20, #578 of 872 🔗

Yes, while we admire and value Toby’s huge contribution to anti-lockdownism the credibility of the Incompetence Theory is becoming frayed. Do we really think the government is so incompetent as to think test and trace, lockdowns and masking would really “defeat” a respiratory virus? Are they so incompetent as to believe all the official stats about “case” numbers and their own propaganda about hospitals overflowing? Are they really so incompetent as to not see the huge damage being done by lockdown restrictions to healthcare, the education system, the economy, sport and culture, and ordinary family life?

The debate is only going to get more intense in the New Year. I believe at the end of January or early February have the Davos conference (albeit online this year) with its theme of the great reset We will see either the Biden inauguration or total chaos in the USA as Trump fights against the election fraud.

I think a lot of the dots are now been joined up. We can certainly see the very close relationship between the Chinese Communist Party and the Democrats in America. The corrupt Biden crime family are clearly in hock to the CCP regime in China.

321558 ▶▶▶ Charlie Blue, replying to OKUK, 4, #579 of 872 🔗

I suspect Johnson and Wancock are both arrogant and ignorant enough to believe that they could defeat a virus, but surely that isn’t their motivation now, if it ever was.

321626 ▶▶▶ George L, replying to OKUK, #580 of 872 🔗

Good post.. I think you pretty much summed it up there..

321673 ▶▶▶ JamesDrebin, replying to OKUK, #581 of 872 🔗

I categorise them as well meaning “Coincidence Credulists”. Sometimes the ugly truth is just too horrifying to acknowledge.

321510 chaos, 2, #582 of 872 🔗
321520 FenTyger, replying to FenTyger, 18, #583 of 872 🔗

An idea, we need a 3 week “Beast from the East”. Three foot of snow everywhere, country wide lockdown but importantly no blasted testing!

321544 ▶▶ dorset dumpling, replying to FenTyger, 1, #584 of 872 🔗

Be careful what you wish for!

321570 ▶▶▶ kf99, replying to dorset dumpling, 6, #585 of 872 🔗

There would surely have to be government-mandated snow shoes. Fines if not worn. To protect the NHS, you understand. How about tiered regions based on amount of snowfall. Daily press conferences obviously.

321622 ▶▶▶ George L, replying to dorset dumpling, 2, #586 of 872 🔗

Unfortunately they can supply a beast from the east at virtually any time they want. Using a mix of Geoengineering, Nexrad radars, and Ionospheric heaters its a doddle.

I think around 1946 was when they started the experimentation, but in the mid 90s they really started to ramp it up. Just about the time they started screaming ‘Global Warming’ if I remember correctly. Just a coincidence of course!!!

321567 ▶▶ Hubes, replying to FenTyger, 2, #587 of 872 🔗

I can see the government warnings now “due to the weather please don’t travel, unless you feel perfectly healthy, in which case please still drive as far as you can for a completely pointless PCR test”

321614 ▶▶ Banjones, replying to FenTyger, #588 of 872 🔗

If they don’t actually DO any testing (and I am not convinced that they’re doing so anyway) then they’ll just make up the figures.

321522 Jo Dominich -, replying to Jo Dominich -, 82, #589 of 872 🔗

Well, I’ve come back from my morning’s shopping very happy indeed. I was really angry yesterday and cleaned my house to within an inch of it’s life but it was good! Well, I’ve scored a minor one for Team Sceptics. I was in Tesco (buying Sherry of course) and a tall, amazonian type woman came up to me and shouted why wasn’t I wearing a mask (only the 2nd time anyone has said anything) – she was a member of the public – so, I went into sign language mode (I used to be very competent but it’s really down to very little now) indicating I couldn’t hear her and went on signing (not saying anything but gibberish). It’s a lot about facial expression so I signed that I didn’t understand! The last sign I used was the one for Arsehole. She looked really really embarrassed and actually said sorry! Good thing she didn’t know I had called her an arsehole!! What also went on to make me very happy was that a young lad, about 18yrs old boarded the bus, no mask. I wrote a note and dropped it in his lap saying thanks for not wearing a mask (he had it attached to his wrist) and welcomed a fellow sceptic! As I got off the bus he gave me a really positive thumbs up and a lovely smile.

I’ve got some mulled cider on the go! I will check back into this site later but, if the cider is a tad too strong Merry Christmas everyone – I’ll raise a glass to you all tomorrow!

Thanks Toby and Will for keeping us altogether and chatting. Have an especially nice Christmas.

321641 ▶▶ Annie, replying to Jo Dominich -, 9, #590 of 872 🔗

You are brilliant.
I shall take up sign language, starting with the sign for ‘arsehole’.

321664 ▶▶ Banjones, replying to Jo Dominich -, 4, #591 of 872 🔗

Well done! I’ve never been challenged, but I have a plan, as you did. I’m going to gibber, then burst into tears (possibly followed by a heavy slump against the nearest fixture). I quite fancy myself as an acTOR, but never had the opportunity to give it a go!

321524 p02099003, replying to p02099003, 11, #592 of 872 🔗

This is the email I sent to my MP
“Dear Jane,
Following the announcement from the prime minister today, effectively destroying Christmas at the last minute when people have spent money on extra food for visitors who will no longer be able to visit.
This is a despicable act by the U.K. government.
My daughter and fiancé were due to come up on Christmas Day and stay until 27 th December . They are now in tier 4. She is due to get married in loughborough on 23 January , this has been changed twice already, if she cannot get married then I don’t want to think of the consequences. She was in tears today.
My son, daughter in law and grandchildren were due to come to us on Wednesday.
My youngest son is a chef in Wales and now that Wales is in tier 4 he will be by himself as his fiancée is in Scotland.
This is not healthy, this will be on you and your colleagues in government in perpetuity.
The alleged new strain is the latest of over 2000 variants. Asymptomatic spread is a fiction. Hospitals are not overwhelmed any different to previous years.
You and your colleagues in the government need to look at yourselves and your role in the disaster of the past 10 months.
Boris Johnson et al has managed something that Adolf Hitler could not manage to do, and that is to destroy the resolve of the whole nation.
There has to be a minimum of a leadership challenge but a vote of no confidence in the government is the better option.
We also need a devolved English assembly.
Have a Merry Christmas”

This is the reply I have just received:
”Thank you for your email.

Indeed, I sincerely appreciate that the changes to Christmas have come as incredibly disappointing news. We all invest a lot of emotion in this time of year, and I fully appreciate how upsetting this will be for many families, particularly after this difficult year. But the Prime Minister has been clear, without this further action hospitals would become overwhelmed and many thousands would lose their lives.

Although it is early days, and there is still considerable uncertainty regarding the new variant of the coronavirus, it is my understanding that the science suggests the new variant may be up to 70% more transmissible. Given the early evidence, and the potential risk, it is simply not possible to continue with Christmas as planned.

I recognise that the changes have seriously impacted plans for those living in tier 4 areas in England, however, I am pleased that support bubbles will remain in place for those at particular risk of loneliness or isolation.

I note the further comments you have made regarding the Prime Minister and the Government, however, I do not agree with you. Although I agree that, in due course, it will be appropriate to consider the way in which we have responded to this outbreak, right now the Government is rightly focused on the immediate response and working to stop the further spread of the virus, and to save lives.

If you have any further questions or concerns, or if I can be of further assistance with anything else, please do not hesitate to let me know.”

321534 ▶▶ Suitejb, replying to p02099003, 16, #593 of 872 🔗

Empty heartless words. I’ve given up writing to my MP as I get the same responses. I have every sympathy with your situation.

321537 ▶▶ WasSteph, replying to p02099003, 13, #594 of 872 🔗

I’ve given up writing to mine. Like yours she just regurgitates the lies.
All I had left to do was tell her she’d lost my support for ever. It’s very frustrating that they never answer specific points such as the PCR issue or the asymptomatic transmission fallacy. I sincerely hope that we get rid of them all soon. I don’t hold out much hope of that happening.

321555 ▶▶▶ dpj, replying to WasSteph, 7, #595 of 872 🔗

I have always been someone who likes to know the facts. I have no time for anyone especially an MP who just repeats stuff they have been told with no evidence and has made no effort to check if it is accurate. I’ve not seen any further update to suggest that Carl Heneghan has been supplied with the information he requested to back up the 70% yet so it is not yet validated as far as i am concerned.

321613 ▶▶▶▶ Banjones, replying to dpj, 11, #596 of 872 🔗

My MP actually PRAISED Madge Hancock for his ”energy” in ensuring hospitals weren’t overwhelmed. (Yes, honestly.)
I am drafting a letter which includes the words:
”Perhaps your minions have never taken the trouble to inform you – if the economy is ruined then the NHS will be ruined too. Then we shall see how the phrase ”overwhelmed hospitals” takes on a whole different and terrifying meaning.”

321610 ▶▶▶ Banjones, replying to WasSteph, 2, #597 of 872 🔗

I think that’s why Johnson is so blase about losing ”lent” votes from up in the North, by betraying fisheries. He’s not going to be relying on them again if we never have another GE.

321707 ▶▶▶ this is my username, replying to WasSteph, 1, #598 of 872 🔗

My MP is Matthew Hancock, so you can imagine what I get back. I have, however, written to Sir Desmond Swayne, in support of his views, and also direct to Boris Johnson via the number 10 website. I can’t do nothing, but what I can do doesn’t make much difference. I’ll keep writing though – it makes me feel better.

321538 ▶▶ Paul, replying to p02099003, 12, #599 of 872 🔗

The usual,disingenuous crap that virtually all MPs use in their responses.Now you stop being a naughty child and go and play quietly whilst the adults deal with things you can’t possibly understand.

321548 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to p02099003, 8, #600 of 872 🔗

Bullshit, everything coming from these people has always been 3 more weeks, one more tier, two more lockdowns, travel ban here and there. All empty promises.

321571 ▶▶ Seansaighdeoir, replying to p02099003, 3, #601 of 872 🔗

The equivalent of putting her fingers in her ears shouting la la la.

321589 ▶▶ mikewaite, replying to p02099003, 1, #602 of 872 🔗

You can understand the MP’s response if the criterion for concern, and therefore the trigger for action, is cases rather than deaths.
To use the MP’s own words “it is my understanding that the science suggests ” – the transmission is greater in the new variant, so more cases / day might be expected. However reports also suggest that it has a weaker response on those who are vulnerable , so the ratio of deaths to cases will fall.
Which is more important: cases (and those involving younger and fit- elderly people have little or only temporary effect) , or deaths which , apart from two well known, albeit dubiously documented, cases, are permanent.
The MP clearly is responding to cases rather than deaths , which does seem rather peculiar really.

321616 ▶▶▶ George L, replying to mikewaite, 4, #603 of 872 🔗

Deaths are the only criteria that matter. However as we are in a fake pandemic its numbers (cases) that count. The WHO changed the definition of a pandemic in 2009 to suit the wishes of its corporate funders.

At the moment it seems to be a winning formula. Cases provided by not fit for purpose PCR tests, backed up and distributed as fear porn by a totally complicit media.

321715 ▶▶▶▶ Waldorf, replying to George L, #604 of 872 🔗

Cases are almost meaningless. Even the deaths can be manipulated – I have heard of cases of people who died months ago being included in the statistics for days in November and December. In Greece, two different agencies, both governmental ones, give different daily figures for deaths, one agency’s are consistently higher than the other’s. The agency that gives the higher number is the one that gets picked up in the media. However, deaths are certainly a more meaningful measure than cases.

321606 ▶▶ Banjones, replying to p02099003, 1, #605 of 872 🔗

I sincerely appreciate that the changes to Christmas have come as incredibly disappointing news….” Add ”However, I’m all right, Jack…..”

And as for ”many thousands losing their lives….” Do they REALLY themselves believe this tripe they keep spouting? Are they REALLY so ignorant and ill-informed? I can only think they are – they can’t ALL be evil.

321688 ▶▶ Bella Donna, replying to p02099003, #606 of 872 🔗

The usual bland nothing response we have all come to expect from the MPs.

321540 Banjones, replying to Banjones, 20, #607 of 872 🔗

I say again – that ludicrously-named ”SAGE” should drop the redundant ”E”. There’s obviously no ”emergency” as the cowards have deserted their post and gone off home for their comfortable and secure Christmas in their nice houses, paid for with OUR money, and no doubt plenty of opportunity for muzzle-free socialising.

They KNOW well there is no ”emergency”. But what can we do, besides letting them know that WE know what cowardly, arrogant, greedy, self-serving t*ssers they are?

321624 ▶▶ Country Mumkin, replying to Banjones, 2, #608 of 872 🔗

It’s very cheeky creating the acronym SAGE. Laughing in our face I think.

321661 ▶▶▶ Banjones, replying to Country Mumkin, 4, #609 of 872 🔗

Yes, I agree. From the beginning it sounded like mockery – patronising us and laughing at our gullibility. (Well, not OURS, obviously!)
It’s part of the picture. Johnson is always patronising when he deigns to speak to the nation – he obviously thinks he’s bloody clever and that he’s blinding people with his erudition. Pathetic person. You can see why he was chosen to be a useful idiot,

321543 Pvenkman, replying to Pvenkman, 3, #610 of 872 🔗

Baba vanga who apparently predicted 9/11 says a strong dragon will seize humanity in 2021, wonder who that could be?

321547 ▶▶ Darryl, replying to Pvenkman, 3, #611 of 872 🔗

Her predictions are being published in all the mainstream newspapers so it is obviously part of some scam / predictive programming like everything else they publish.

If she died in 1996 couldn’t they have given us some advance warnings about 2020 in December 2019? Also, why do the predictions seem to be anti-Trump / pro-Great Reset agenda?

321591 ▶▶ Tom Blackburn, replying to Pvenkman, #612 of 872 🔗


321593 ▶▶ Pvenkman, replying to Pvenkman, 1, #613 of 872 🔗

On a side note I hear that sage is trying to recruit her!

321608 ▶▶▶ dhid, replying to Pvenkman, #614 of 872 🔗

Apparently, she married an English guy called Ferguson and they had a son – think he was called Neil or something….

321550 Dorian_Hawkmoon, replying to Dorian_Hawkmoon, 34, #615 of 872 🔗

So the circumstantial evidence seems to be pointing to a clearer and clearer picture. The spring death spike was a panicked combination of the eviction of old people from hospital and the mass DNRing and midazollamming of the evictees in care homes along with the intensive and erroneous use of mechanical ventilation in those with compromised lungs contra to known medical principles, all accentuated by a dry tinder effect. All else being background winter respiratory deaths in the elderly.
Anything I have wrong here?

321553 ▶▶ Barney McGrew, replying to Dorian_Hawkmoon, 5, #616 of 872 🔗

That’s how I see it. And as for the rest of it, I think this article from the New York Times in 2007 explains the situation perfectly:

(I’m sure they’ll remove the article one day).

321563 ▶▶▶ Darryl, replying to Barney McGrew, 3, #617 of 872 🔗

I think they realise their readership is so brainwashed and uncritical of all but the most authoritarian government response they would simple dismiss the article. Real journalism ceased years ago at the New York Times.

321566 ▶▶ Seansaighdeoir, replying to Dorian_Hawkmoon, 5, #618 of 872 🔗

I think that spike also includes what are the lockdown deaths. These have never been properly quantified and include those whose treatment was withheld, people too fearful to seek treatment as well as suicides, stress and heart attack.

321623 ▶▶ RickH, replying to Dorian_Hawkmoon, 2, #619 of 872 🔗

Nothing ‘wrong’ – but one thing to remember is that, even with that April spike, cumulative deaths over the season were high, but not exceptionally so. The ‘dry tinder’ effect was very significant. Not so so much lockdown deaths at that point, which was too early for the effects to show strongly. Mis-attribution was probably much more important in swelling ‘Covid’ numbers.

321686 ▶▶ Bella Donna, replying to Dorian_Hawkmoon, #620 of 872 🔗

No that’s how I see it too. The extra deaths were those of the deliberately culled, for which no one has been prosecuted.

321694 ▶▶ Dorian_Hawkmoon, replying to Dorian_Hawkmoon, #621 of 872 🔗

(…and leavened with strong deterrence from accessing the NHS with anything else.)

321556 Paul, replying to Paul, 25, #622 of 872 🔗

I’ve read the tea leaves,consulted my Seaweed,Pine cones and Rabbit droppings and I now have some early New Year predictions from ‘Old Paul’s Almanac’.These predictions have been checked and approved by Imperial College London and they say they are 119% sure they are probably true.

Jan 1st 2021 – Grand Wizard Arsepig Johnson announces that because his superb plan to control and stop the virus has worked so well he will now stop time and the seasons,from 0001 on Jan 2nd and until further notice it will remain Jan 2nd,this will help flatten the curve,protect the NHS and save lives.

Feb 9th 2021 (actually still Jan 2nd) – An extra,extra,very extra super mutant strain of covid has been found in Redditch.It is believed to have come from a giant Tortoise that was smuggled in from the Galapogos Islands as a Chritsmas present.

Feb 22nd 2021 (still Jan 2nd) – Matt Nocock announces,with a heavy heart and tears,that attempts to stop the spread of the Tortoise mutant of the virus in Redditch by closing petrol stations has not worked and it is ‘running out of control’,therefore Redditch and all areas within three miles will be razed to the ground and sprayed with Domestos.
All residents will be moved to an internment holiday camp on the Isle of Man.

More to follow,well maybe.

321638 ▶▶ Annie, replying to Paul, 2, #623 of 872 🔗

Great stuff!

321560 Jonathan Smith, replying to Jonathan Smith, 3, #624 of 872 🔗

The Neville Hodgkinson article is full of pseudo scientific hogwash and is a discredit to lockdown sceptics. People died of AIDS before the advent of AZT and indeed, the administration of AZT before it was thoroughly tested and found wanting was largely as a result of campaigns by emergent advocacy organisations that coalesced into ‘Act Up’. Their slogan was “drugs into bodies” and they favoured the compassionate administration of compounds of possible benefit to dying young people.

Whilst it’s true governments including ours initiated campaigns that assumed everyone was equally at risk when in reality it was mostly limited to certain groups – gay and bisexual men, injecting drug users and people receiving blood products – this is in fact very strong evidence of a blood borne causative agent. That agent was found to be HTLV3, later renamed HIV.

For the past twenty years, better and better anti-retroviral drugs which inhibit the replication of HIV in vivo, have brought people back from the brink of an AIDS diagnosis and prevented progression to AIDS in millions of young people worldwide. HIV has been shown to be the cause of AIDS and Hodgkinsons article will put off readers who don’t exhibit Gelles-Mann amnesia.

321607 ▶▶ p02099003, replying to Jonathan Smith, #625 of 872 🔗

Ironically, Kary Mullis was not convinced of the link between HIV and AIDS. He invented the PCR test to detect HIV in people who were asymptomatic. http://virusmyth.com/aids/hiv/cfmullis.htm

321635 ▶▶ Professor, replying to Jonathan Smith, 4, #626 of 872 🔗

I fully endorse this condemnation of the Hodgkinson article. Any association between scepticism about the governmental response to Sars-CoV-2 infection, as promoted by this site, and views about supposed non-viral basis of AIDS is extremely counterproductive.

As Jonathan Smith notes, the difference that anti-retroviral drugs have made to the survival of people unfortunate enough to have contracted HIV is huge. The prognosis for anyone infected with HIV now is extremely good, whereas when it was first identified in the 80s and 90s it was associated with very poor survival outcomes. It did not matter how rich or famous you were, people genuinely did die in large numbers “of HIV” and not “with HIV” (RIP Freddie Mercury, as well as lots of people in poor countries, particularly in Africa).

Current treatment for HIV/AIDS is exclusively based on cocktails of drugs targeted against a variety of the viral proteins (use of multiple drugs helps avoid resistance, which is an issue for most virus treatments). Many many people are only alive today due to direct anti-viral medication that is based on knowledge of the HIV sequence and structure. It is blinkered to argue that these treatments have not had a hugely positive impact on mortality and given that their design and formulation is based entirely on knowledge of the HIV gene sequence and biology it is disingenuous (at best) to claim that the HIV virus is not involved.

Hodgkinson’s views, which date from the 1990s when knowledge of HIV/AIDS was still relatively primitive, are completely discredited now. Kary Mullis, again writing in the 1990s, was similarly wrong. Basically, when you give people infected with HIV modern anti-retroviral drugs they live; if you don’t they die.

321564 Be Unshakeable, replying to Be Unshakeable, 38, #627 of 872 🔗

Merry Christmas one and all. Remember to love, laugh and live this Christmas.

Oh, and Boris Johnson Is A Fucking Cunt.

321580 ▶▶ T. Prince, replying to Be Unshakeable, 3, #628 of 872 🔗

I’ll drink to that!

321569 Silke David, replying to Silke David, 14, #629 of 872 🔗

Austria constitutional court decided on Wednesday that the government dictate for pupils and teachers to wear masks in spring was not lawful as the government did not have the “correct” reasoning.
Some might say it is a victory, but is a decision 6 months late, and it is based on bureaucracy, not medical or ethical evidence.
It does not stop the government to impose mask wearing currently, as they know have clocked on how to word their rules.

321594 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to Silke David, 3, #630 of 872 🔗

It was the same in Dusseldorf.

321633 ▶▶ Annie, replying to Silke David, 1, #631 of 872 🔗

At least it marks an act of defiance.

321680 ▶▶ Old Bill, replying to Silke David, 1, #632 of 872 🔗

know have clocked on how to word their rules.

Or rule their worlds.

321575 Freddy Boy, replying to Freddy Boy, 29, #633 of 872 🔗

Hello everyone ! First time post ! Toby is a Legend , I joined the FSU right at the beginning , it was such a relief to find a place running parallel with my subconscious thoughts , then he added Lockdown Sceptics ! which has become a window to the world (with all its faults) we left behind ! How he does it is beyond me , keep it up “Tobes” ( as JD calls you , even when he’s cross ) 😇

321702 ▶▶ Lisa (formerly) from Toronto, replying to Freddy Boy, 1, #634 of 872 🔗

Welcome and happy holidays to you! This site has been a lifeline for a lot of us during these insane times. Tobes is, indeed, awesome!

321724 ▶▶▶ Freddy Boy, replying to Lisa (formerly) from Toronto, 1, #635 of 872 🔗

Thanks , seasons greetings to you ! You have escaped Trudeau and landed yourself with Boris 🥲

321576 Silke David, replying to Silke David, 16, #636 of 872 🔗

Dr. Reiner Fuellmilch on Bittel TV just now, updating on the class action for compensation.
No news.
Apparently they are in the final phase of presenting a case in Canada, where a judge will then decide if they have a case to bring to the court.

321723 ▶▶ Freddy Boy, replying to Silke David, 2, #637 of 872 🔗

🤞 , hoping he can start the dominos falling !!…

321578 Mabel Cow, replying to Mabel Cow, 11, #638 of 872 🔗

FYI, it seems that Toby has now disabled the ability to post to LS without being logged in.

With any luck, this will eliminate the spoofing problem we were discussing yesterday .

321587 ▶▶ dhid, replying to Mabel Cow, 1, #639 of 872 🔗

Thanks and a Happy Chrismas!


321611 ▶▶▶ dhid, replying to dhid, #640 of 872 🔗

Christmas not ‘Chrismas’ – doh!

321677 ▶▶ davews, replying to Mabel Cow, #641 of 872 🔗

My first post after this change and having registered has gone into moderation, probably because it contained a link,

321579 arfurmo, replying to arfurmo, 5, #642 of 872 🔗

Well that’s it -we are all doomed. https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9085195/Mutated-Kent-coronavirus-cause-deaths-England-wave.html

Sage have never been wrong so handcarts will be needed with the cry of “Bring out your dead”

321581 ▶▶ dpj, replying to arfurmo, 3, #643 of 872 🔗

It seems to be getting weaker already as it’s gone from 70% more infectious to only 56% in a couple of days.

321584 ▶▶ Achilles, replying to arfurmo, 17, #644 of 872 🔗

The key is in the word “model”, as in made-up. Our lives are being ruined by a bunch of mathematicians masturbating over their models with no connection to the real world.

321583 JohnB, 14, #645 of 872 🔗

Have a cool Yule everyone !

(Oh, and ‘Boris Johnson is a Fucking Cunt !’.).

321586 voza0db, replying to voza0db, -2, #646 of 872 🔗

Clearly another site to send to the trash…

321612 ▶▶ JohnB, replying to voza0db, #647 of 872 🔗

You logged in to post this ?!?

321625 ▶▶▶ voza0db, replying to JohnB, -7, #648 of 872 🔗

No moron… I logged in to post the Uman Spirit.

321693 ▶▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to voza0db, 1, #649 of 872 🔗

Calling people names is the Twat Spirit. But keep trying.

321690 ▶▶ Dorian_Hawkmoon, replying to voza0db, 1, #650 of 872 🔗

Christmas hugs to you, Vozzie. x

321881 ▶▶ Lord Sid, replying to voza0db, #651 of 872 🔗

crawl back under your rock

321588 Rosie, replying to Rosie, 20, #652 of 872 🔗

How to find a local friend – don’t forget the Freedom Network can be used anywhere, not just here in GB.

Freedom Network
The Freedom Network is a non-political movement founded with the purpose of reclaiming freedoms taken away by the Coronavirus Act. The Network has established a series of ‘Freedom Hubs’ around the country which provide like-minded lockdown sceptics with an opportunity to make contact with one another.

Back to Normal
Back to Normal is a leafleting campaign aimed at changing the public’s attitude about lockdowns. Back to Normal leaflets are designed for door-to-door distribution and are currently being distributed all over the country. E-mail backtonormalrh@yahoo.com or visit my-sgf.co.uk for more information

Unlock (Oxford)
Unlock is a student-led campaign begun at Oxford University. The movement brands lockdowns as ‘irrational and inherently unfair’ and aims raise awareness about the damage they’re doing.
Unlock has a website, http://www.unlock-gb.co.uk , and a social media presence: @unlockgb on Twitter and @GBUnlock on Facebook

Unlock Surrey
Unlock Surrey is a group of like-minded individuals from across Surrey and south-west London. Beyond a shared opposition to the lockdown, the group is entirely non-partisan and encompasses a broad variety of interests and opinions. Besides simply putting people in touch with one another, Unlock Surrey organises social events and publishes a regular newsletter. E-mail unlock.surrey@protonmail.com for more information.

321710 ▶▶ Ovis, replying to Rosie, #653 of 872 🔗

Thankyou, Rosie.

Have just found a local group thanks to this post.

321590 Allen, replying to Allen, 15, #654 of 872 🔗

WHO’s Ministry of Truth rewriting medical facts.

I can’t help but draw a parallel between the WHO taking the liberty to redefine ‘herd immunity’ and the dystopian language of “Newspeak” in George Orwell’s dystopian novel, ‘1984’…

In an appendix to the book, Orwell described the function of Newspeak in detail:

-The purpose of Newspeak was “…to make all other forms of thought impossible.”

-“In Newspeak, the expression of unorthodox opinions…was well-nigh impossible.”

Newspeak intentionally redefined scientific terms more stringently, per “C vocabulary” rules

“These resembled the scientific terms in use today, & were constructed from the same roots, but the usual care was taken to define them rigidly & strip them of undesirable meaning.”

Sounds applicable.

Because the WHO redefinition of ‘herd immunity’ cannot reasonably be considered an attempt to clarify a definition.

It’s an attempt to limit how people are able to think about the concept.


321603 ▶▶ George L, replying to Allen, 7, #655 of 872 🔗

Good post describing a technique being played at the max on the unsuspecting public..

321595 petemate, 9, #656 of 872 🔗

Little re-working of the slade classic below. Remember what happens to the darkness when you turn on the light. Lets shine our lights bright in 2021!!

Are you hanging up your pointless mask on the wall?
It’s the time that every Boris has a ball
Does he ride a red nosed damp squib?
Do his lockdowns keep the virus at bay?
Do the fairies keep us in Tier 2 just for one day?

So here it is Merry Pandemic
Everybody’s having bloody tests
Look to the future now
This madness has only just begun

Are you waiting for the vaccine to arrive?
Are you sure it will keep you alive?
Does your Granny always tell ya that the Hong Kong Flu was the best
That she’s up and in the vaccine queue with the rest

So here it is Merry Pandemic
Everybody’s having bloody tests
Look to the future now
This madness has only just begun

What will your Daddy do
When he sees your Mama within 2 metres of Santa Claus?
Ah ah

Are you hanging up a pointless mask on your wall
Are you hoping that the case rates will start to fall
Do you ride on down the hillside in a COVID safe buggy you have made
When you land upon your head and realise that we are all being played?

So here it is Merry Pandemic
Everybody’s having bloody tests
Look to the future now
This madness has only just begun

321596 Marialta, replying to Marialta, 59, #657 of 872 🔗

Just got in from a heart warming carol singing event in Eastbourne organised by Keep Britain Free. There was about 15 of us with two guitars plus ten kids singing Christmas songs and carols.

Mums were stopping with their children in pushchairs to listen and point, and one stranger joined in spontaneously and stuck with us as we moved to different spots. Others were watching and smiling. We sang an anti- lockdown version of 12 days of Christmas in the shopping centre amongst a sea of masked people it felt so good and so transgressive ….anyone feeling isolated try to hook up with other sceptics locally it really helps!

http://www.the freedom network.co.uk

321604 ▶▶ Andrew K, replying to Marialta, 9, #658 of 872 🔗

Great work Marialta a true martyr to the cause, keep up the good work. Happy Christams, Love and smiles

321632 ▶▶▶ Marialta, replying to Andrew K, 16, #659 of 872 🔗

Thanks AK I will never give up. It’s going to get worse in the New Year. I’m getting tougher & stronger through meeting up with others who are prepared to get out on the street and sing, protest, deliver leaflets, use stickers or publicly challenge the narrative in any way.

321644 ▶▶ Steeve, replying to Marialta, 1, #660 of 872 🔗

Uplifting! Happy Christmas.

321651 ▶▶ Annie, replying to Marialta, 3, #661 of 872 🔗

Heartwarming.Well done.

321683 ▶▶ Bella Donna, replying to Marialta, 1, #662 of 872 🔗

Well done you!! Merry Christmas!

321605 Jonny S., replying to Jonny S., 4, #663 of 872 🔗

Think I’ve found SAGE headquarters


321619 ▶▶ Andrew K, replying to Jonny S., 1, #664 of 872 🔗


321609 Tom Blackburn, replying to Tom Blackburn, #665 of 872 🔗

Are people as scared and impacted (MH-wise) as we like to suggest OR have they already been conditioned to await and digest bad news?

321617 ▶▶ Annie, replying to Tom Blackburn, 4, #666 of 872 🔗

They just live in permanent terror. All that’s needed is a turn of the screw.

321620 DRW, replying to DRW, 23, #667 of 872 🔗

Probably fewer on here now until new year but pleased to report a nice clifftop walk, almost felt like normal again.

321630 ▶▶ Annie, replying to DRW, 11, #668 of 872 🔗

Always pleased to hear such things.
Keep out of town centres, they’re poison. Nature is the antidote.
Sun shining here in Pembs, lovely day.

321640 ▶▶▶ DRW, replying to Annie, 2, #669 of 872 🔗

Same here in Dorset.

321682 ▶▶▶ Bella Donna, replying to Annie, 3, #670 of 872 🔗

You’re lucky we’ve had heavy showers on and off in Suffolk.

321631 ▶▶ godowneasy, replying to DRW, 5, #671 of 872 🔗

You really can’t beat fresh air and exercise, it’s what keeps me (relatively sane). Enjoy your break.

321650 ▶▶ Charlie Blue, replying to DRW, 1, #672 of 872 🔗

Sounds just the job. I really miss living at the coast sometimes!

321621 Victoria, replying to Victoria, 26, #673 of 872 🔗

Got some good news in time for the holiday. A group of students⁩ have had their life-changing £10,000 FPNs withdrawn by police after representations.

I and ⁦ @PippaWoodrow acted pro bono instructed by ⁦ @jpormerod of ⁦ @BindmansLLP /1


321627 ▶▶ Victoria, replying to Victoria, 7, #674 of 872 🔗

If you are a students or academic who has experience of the effect that lockdowns have had on students then please consider giving evidence to the @HumanRightsCtte current inquiry into “long lockdown“. I’m specialist advisor to the inquiry. Deadline soon /7


321877 ▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Victoria, #675 of 872 🔗

Fantastic news!

321628 voza0db, replying to voza0db, -20, #676 of 872 🔗


Have a nice death herd of morons.

321636 ▶▶ Waldorf, replying to voza0db, 1, #677 of 872 🔗

You seem… upset.

321648 ▶▶ Banjones, replying to voza0db, 2, #678 of 872 🔗

Sorry to be personal, but you don’t sound as if you’re particularly bright.
Or perhaps it’s just that you haven’t any friends and you need to let off steam.
Either way – it’s sad.

321653 ▶▶ Julian, replying to voza0db, 4, #679 of 872 🔗

Who or what has been censored?

It can’t be entirely useless otherwise you wouldn’t keep posting here.

321675 ▶▶ dhid, replying to voza0db, 3, #680 of 872 🔗

Are you the one who was impersonating others perhaps?

I don’t see any sign of censorship just a bit of security against trolls using other peoples login.

321699 ▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to dhid, 2, #681 of 872 🔗

…trolls using other peoples login.

…and thereby encouraging other people to hurl insults, being unable to understand the message that there were trolls about. Hey ho.

321634 Spikedee1, 9, #682 of 872 🔗

I have realised there is only one way out. Twas the night before christmas and Boris Scrooge is visited by three ghosts. The first Mrs Thatcher, the ghost of christmas past. Remember being a libertarian, believing the right to free speech, all those women you lied and cheated. But I had a good time! Then he is visited by the ghost of Christmas present, Winston Churchill. You see yourself as me, but look at you, more flip flops that the beach in Antigua. You let advisors tell you what to do and none of your decisions make sense. Bubbles, rule of six, eat out to help out, lockdown 1, mutant strain, lockdown 2, sacking cummings but keep wancock? Super mutant strain, lockdown 3, follow the science, face, space bollocks. Humanity should have been your goal. Ah the ghost of Christmas present, dishi Rischi, I fear you most of all. Where are we ghost, we are in Sageland, that used to be the uk. But where are the pubs? Ah they all had to close down after Christmas lockdown 15. Why is there no cars? Ah that was after your green new idea run by princess nut nut took away all the cars and replaced them with Sinclair c5’s where are the shoppers ah we only shop at home, amazon takes care of that. Take me to parliament, ah that was lost in the hunger riots of November when everyone realised all the pension money had gone and after we reached six million unemployed. Speak comforts to me, er you might not want to look at the tower of London or what’s on those 4 spikes. But is it too late, I can change and keep Christmas in my heart. Er no mate we are too late for that you are fucked. But come and have a butchers as this chain……

321637 Victoria, replying to Victoria, 31, #683 of 872 🔗

Twitter suspended the account of Jewish Doctor Zev Zelenko after he suggested people don’t need take vaccine for a virus with 99.99% survival rate


Michael @HegKong’s comment:

 For every doctor banned on social media, the suspicion that they are telling us lies grows stronger and stronger.

321678 ▶▶ Bella Donna, replying to Victoria, 10, #684 of 872 🔗

Yes that’s right. The harder they try to bury the truth the more they expose the lie.

321701 ▶▶ Lisa (formerly) from Toronto, replying to Victoria, 5, #685 of 872 🔗

Dr. Zelenko is great! I saw him on Del Bigtree’s The Highwire last week and he’s calling out the FDA, the AMA (he called the the American Murder Association) for not allowing doctors to prescribe HCQ and Ivermectin, which he’s been using since the beginning and saving tons of lives, and said it’s a crime against humanity. And while these are the best medicines to prevent Covid deaths, he did recommend that regular folk take either Vitamin C and Quercitin or EGCG (Epigallocatechin Gallate) — all of which are available at the health food store either prophylactically or within 5 days of symptoms of any virus, not just Covid.

321639 dangerous granny, replying to dangerous granny, 29, #686 of 872 🔗

huge grateful thanks to Toby and team for keeping us sane. Daily routine is now: 1. See the news headlines and sink into depression. 2. Read Lockdown Sceptics and become very angry. 3. Read a bit of Bible and put things into eternal perspective and remind myself where my hope is.
Happy Christmas one and all!

321655 ▶▶ Banjones, replying to dangerous granny, 10, #687 of 872 🔗

I don’t even bother with the news headlines – I just glean bits from various sites and see what my sister-in-law (an arch sceptic) has to say and that gives me the overall picture without raising my blood pressure too much.
As you say, we all need to remember where our hope is.
Happy Christmas to you too!

321642 Victoria, replying to Victoria, 22, #688 of 872 🔗

No, the number of positive tests is up. How many more tests were done & what was the % positivity rate? Otherwise that figure is meaningless. A positive test is categorically NOT a case.

Hospital admissions in every December are ALWAYS their highest since every April every year.


321657 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to Victoria, 4, #689 of 872 🔗

Indeed. Loads of people getting tested to go home for Christmas thinking it’s the right thing to do.

321676 ▶▶ Bella Donna, replying to Victoria, 19, #690 of 872 🔗

Overall deaths is the only real statistic we should be looking at regardless of reason as they cannot fudge them. From what I can glean over 5 years there has hardly been any change in the numbers. The only worry is the psychotic hysteria pumped out by Hancock and MSM will continue to be swallowed without question by the masses.

321756 ▶▶▶ Freddy Boy, replying to Bella Donna, 2, #691 of 872 🔗

The only statistic that matters !!.. It is impossible to argue with it !!.. It’s available for the whole world to see but still we are being crushed 🤯

321647 wendy, 34, #692 of 872 🔗

I hope everyone can have as happy a Christmas as is possible and perhaps try to take a break a bit from all the sh.te inflicted on us and our country for a while. I wasn’t sure whether to wish everyone a happy Christmas but I do send all my warmest wishes to everyone.

Tomorrow my sister can go inside Dads care home behind a screen, so she cannot be close to him. She has arranged for staff to open the Christmas presents we have bought him on the other side of the screen, they can touch him and be close to him!! His presents were taken into the care home last week as the government required the care home to quarantine them for 72 hours!!!!!!!!!?

Anyway the nice thing is she is going to do a video call with me so I can see him and sing some carols to him. It’s all very sad. But his dementia means he does not remember if he has seen us or not and he is not distressed.

Thank you to Toby and everyone for this website and thank you to everyone here for your kindness and support. We will get through this and we are right not the lockdowners.

321662 Annie, replying to Annie, 45, #693 of 872 🔗

Horse bolted with me this morning. Silly mare was scared by a gelding acting even more silly in next field. Luckily she stopped quite quickly and no harm was done, but I took her into our indoor school for some exercises until we had both calmed down.
Coming out of the school, I had to stop to get over my hysterical laughter at the notice on the door. ‘Your safety is our primary concern.’ Antisocial distancing compulsory.
So I just escaped what might have been a nasty fall from a bolting horse. Things like that happen if you ride a lot. I hack out in all weathers, we negotiate tractors, giant lorries, motorbikes and cattle, we jump, we gallop on the beach. From time to time I fall off.
Not all horses are as nervy as mine, but any horse, however placid, is inherently unpredictable and its instinct, when perceiving danger, us to run away as fast as possible. All riders have to accept this.
All this risk I happily assume. So do other riders.
But the stables are (by law) more worried about the infinitesimally small chance of our catching a cold bug on their premises.
Stay sane.

321665 ▶▶ Tom Blackburn, replying to Annie, 11, #694 of 872 🔗

You mean you haven’t heard of the new horse strain? 20 times more transmissible than mink flavour flu

321667 ▶▶ Steeve, replying to Annie, 7, #695 of 872 🔗

I remember taking my Daughter to the North Wales coast for a hack. The horse came back without my Daughter – dumped on the beach! Still loves horses though!

321687 ▶▶ BTLnewbie, replying to Annie, 3, #696 of 872 🔗

Careful Annie – LS needs you!

321696 ▶▶ Lisa (formerly) from Toronto, replying to Annie, 7, #697 of 872 🔗

I’m glad you’re OK Annie! But of course you will continue to take risks to ride your horse because that’s what life if all about. Our much-fatter-than-yours pig dictator premier has shut down skiing for a month as part of our lockdown. I tortured myself and read some sheeple comments about the lockdown and some of them think the reason to shut down skiing is because too many people have ski accidents and the hospitals are already overrun (they’re not) and so we should all stay inside and pass the virus that way (my interpretation, not theirs) and make sure we have no fun and get no fresh air or exercise. Another great moment in public health!

321700 ▶▶ Paul, replying to Annie, 7, #698 of 872 🔗

I’ve fallen from a horse many times and it usually bloody hurts !,for some reason some people find it funny,being kicked hurts even more !.I was thrown when my mount was spooked by traffic,I hit the kerb stones and broke my arm.
As long as you keep anti-social distancing I’m sure you will be fine !.
A merry Christmas to you and yours Annie,I have really appreciated your posts on here with your strong spirit,kindness and often dark humour !.Stay safe sane !.

321722 ▶▶▶ dhid, replying to Paul, 2, #699 of 872 🔗

Oooh – I worked with a guy who was a fairly keen rider, until he was kicked in the family jewels – he gave up riding as he was keen to start a family.

His description of the pain made my eyes water!

Happy Christmas.

321805 ▶▶▶▶ Annie, replying to dhid, 3, #700 of 872 🔗

I will say for my silly mare that she never kicks, and never tosses me off out of your malice aforethought.
I’m thinking of getting an ejector seat and parachute fitted, though.
Do you know those Thelwell cartoons? We looked just like that this morning.

321874 ▶▶▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Annie, #701 of 872 🔗

A leg at each corner!

321666 Bella Donna, 1, #702 of 872 🔗


321669 Banjones, replying to Banjones, 23, #703 of 872 🔗

This was sent to me by a friend:

”How the seeds of the revolution were planted…
We met in taverns.
We met in restaurants.
We met in churches…
Understand the closures now?”

I suppose the day may come that sites like this will be closed too. We may be reduced to sending chupatties!

321875 ▶▶ Freddy Boy, replying to Banjones, 1, #704 of 872 🔗

I’ve heard that quote before ( anyone know it’s origin ) It is exactly true + add the masks to subdue small talk at the Supermarkets etc !..

321670 Jonny S., replying to Jonny S., 50, #705 of 872 🔗

Right the stuffings done, the bread sauce is done and the gluten free yorkshires are done.
Not posh the wife really is intolerant.

I’m now on the fourth can of brewdog so before I get any wobblier I’d just like to say a big thank you to all on here for helping keep me sane.

A few names stick out.

Rosie the activists activist. Stick at it gal you’re an inspiration.

NickR a data junkie like me who can explain in 2 lines what it would take me 2 paragraphs.

Sarigan, Swedenborg, Victoria and Annie for the sense and humanity you portray.

And even JohnP the contrarians contrairian who talks a lot of sense in his own special way.

There are many many more on here who I can’t list but I thank you all.

But of course special thanks to Toby. As they say.
History is written by the winners.
In that case your place is assured.

Have as merry a Christmas as you can and let’s hope sanity returns soon.

321681 ▶▶ Steeve, replying to Jonny S., #706 of 872 🔗

And of course there is the Jolly St Jonny the 1st!

321684 ▶▶ Silke David, replying to Jonny S., 21, #707 of 872 🔗

I think AkwardGit also deserves a mention.

321695 ▶▶▶ AnotherSceptic, replying to Silke David, 11, #708 of 872 🔗

& Arnie deserves a mention also.

321712 ▶▶▶ mjr, replying to Silke David, 10, #709 of 872 🔗

definitely – no one better than the awkwardgit for an FOI request

321704 ▶▶ dhid, replying to Jonny S., 2, #710 of 872 🔗

I’m sure you’ll have a Merry Christmas if that’s the 55% ABV Brewdog!

321728 ▶▶ Andrew K, replying to Jonny S., 1, #711 of 872 🔗

Sounds lovely, if I bring a bottle of rum can I have dinner at yours?

321671 Bugle, replying to Bugle, 40, #712 of 872 🔗

Thank you to Toby Young – the man! – Will Jones, Jonathan Barr and Conor Chaplin. Also to people who send articles to LS and everybody who comments. Hope you all have as great a Christmas as possible in the circumstances.

Special thanks to Carrie who helped me out when I first came to this site.

321691 ▶▶ Lisa (formerly) from Toronto, replying to Bugle, 19, #713 of 872 🔗

Yes, many thanks! This site has been a life raft in a sea of insanity.

321672 davews, replying to davews, 2, #714 of 872 🔗

I see we all have to login to post now.

Not sure if this will work…

This is what I am going to drop on our church at our New Year soire next week, a Powerpoint based on the sketch James Leary posted a couple of weeks ago. Still need a suitable cartoon graphic for tomorrow, hopefully Bob will do his usual.


Hope you like it.

321716 ▶▶ Steve Martindale, replying to davews, 4, #715 of 872 🔗

Once logged in my computer automatically logs me in everytime I come to this site, I do not need to do anything, I assume most computers can do this?

321718 ▶▶▶ davews, replying to Steve Martindale, 3, #716 of 872 🔗

Yes, but I had never actually registered an account until now, just replied with a username. Everybody now has to have an account with password and login now. But as you say the cookie keeps you logged in.

321801 ▶▶▶▶ Annie, replying to davews, 1, #717 of 872 🔗

Google keeps me logged in, but Duckduck doesn’t and I have forgotten my password, so can’t post via Duckduck, although it was so as to post on this site that I started using Duckduck in the first place!

321872 ▶▶▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Annie, 1, #718 of 872 🔗

Duckduck keeps me logged in no problem.

321674 Cecil B, replying to Cecil B, 12, #719 of 872 🔗

The BBC announces that there is a trade deal between the UK and the EU

Um no, the pig dictator has said there is a trade deal which is not quite the same thing

321706 ▶▶ Ovis, replying to Cecil B, 4, #720 of 872 🔗

Oven ready shit in a box, given as a Christmas present.

Bojo is really into significant dates, vide Easter Sunday.

321821 ▶▶▶ Banjones, replying to Ovis, 2, #721 of 872 🔗

I see the site Standup4brexit.com is still active – where Johnson said he’d pledged to ” abandoning Theresa May’s Withdrawal Agreement as dead.”

So which words didn’t he understand? ”Abandon”? ”Pledge”? ”Dead”?

Perhaps he’d be more familiar with the words ”forsworn” or ”dishonoured”.

321747 ▶▶ crimsonpirate, replying to Cecil B, 2, #722 of 872 🔗

We’ll probably find our fishing rights have been reduced to using a fishing rod at the local reservoir.

321816 ▶▶ Banjones, replying to Cecil B, 3, #723 of 872 🔗

He doesn’t care about alienating the Northern voters who ”lent” their votes. He won’t need them in the future – if he doesn’t allow another GE.

321818 ▶▶ james007, replying to Cecil B, 3, #724 of 872 🔗

It is ironic and sad to me that the main argument of Brexit was people having more control over their lives and how their earnings were spent.
It turns out the people we really need to take back control from are those in Westminster, specifically Downing St.
I hardly care about Brexit anymore. It has become Boris Johnson’s vanity project.

321685 Smelly Melly, replying to Smelly Melly, 36, #725 of 872 🔗

Just come in from a walk, it’s getting cold out there. So remember tommorrow to put granny by the open window, she probably won’t die of the killer virus thats killing virtually nobody, but she may die of the more common peumonia

321689 ▶▶ Steeve, replying to Smelly Melly, 10, #726 of 872 🔗

On the side of the spectrum I took my Dad for a pre op assessment yesterday – small room, no windows, no ventilation and very hot. He nearly passed out! Bonkers!

321698 ▶▶ dhid, replying to Smelly Melly, 9, #727 of 872 🔗

I suppose if you aren’t too fond of her she might block the draft coming in I guess….

Joking aside, I think it was that daft suggestion from them that made some realise what a bunch of utter pillocks they are!

321709 ▶▶ Waldorf, replying to Smelly Melly, #728 of 872 🔗

A dilemma of deaths.

321713 ▶▶ Hoppy Uniatz, replying to Smelly Melly, 7, #729 of 872 🔗

“I have often been credibly told
That when people are awfully old
Though cigars are a curse
And strong waters are worse
There is nothing so fatal as cold.”

-Hilaire Belloc

321697 common conservative, replying to common conservative, 7, #730 of 872 🔗

Even in these dystopian times this beggars belief:


321772 ▶▶ JohnB, replying to common conservative, 3, #731 of 872 🔗

Anyone got any stamps left over from Christmas ? I’m sure everyone on here has a selection of leaflets … !

Please send as many as possible to
Colchester Community Policing Team
10 Southway


321703 Ovis, 15, #732 of 872 🔗

Haha! I’m in!

Happy Christmas, all.

Big thanks to Toby Young and team.

321711 dhid, 16, #733 of 872 🔗

Happy Christmas to all!

Toby’s determination and creating this site, allowed me to realise many are as baffled, angry and suspicious as I am, about where we are, has been a sanctuary from the (continuing) madness.

As my Gran used to say – Onward and (hopefully!) upwards in 2021. Fingers crossed!

Edit – 2022 to 2021…

321714 NickR, replying to NickR, 13, #734 of 872 🔗

I was led to this site by Dr Clare Craig; https://digital.nhs.uk/dashboards/nhs-pathways
It shows triages, which means calls to 111 & 999. I’ve chosen to show London but you can see the data down to local areas.
Compare the spring to now, or when parents went into panic mode when schools went back.
Again, it makes you wonder if the admissions are mainly people already in hospital.

321738 ▶▶ Julian, replying to NickR, 3, #735 of 872 🔗

Or people ill with anything but covid

321813 ▶▶ Banjones, replying to NickR, 2, #736 of 872 🔗

And that ”overwhelmed hospitals” denote just the ”covid wards” where people are put if they test positive, no matter what else is wrong with them, the rest of the hospital being anything but ”overwhelmed”.

321717 crimsonpirate, 30, #737 of 872 🔗

Thank you Toby for Lockdown sceptics- this site has kept me sane and the London Calling podcasts have kept me entertained. Merry Christmas to all the regular contributors here. Always gives me hope whenever I log on-and in some cases history homework!

321719 Steve Martindale, replying to Steve Martindale, 7, #738 of 872 🔗

This may have been posted already? but it looks like someone has responded to one of those calls from a Nigerian Prince and ended up with Nigerian covid;


I guess it is the panto season, where is the latest mutant covid? ……. it’s behind you.

321726 ▶▶ DRW, replying to Steve Martindale, 7, #739 of 872 🔗

10,000+ “mutants” and MSM coverage only starts just as the non-vaccines start rolling out…

321744 ▶▶ crimsonpirate, replying to Steve Martindale, 4, #740 of 872 🔗

if you told people the latest mutant covid came from Mars they probably would believe it.

321720 Basileus, 30, #741 of 872 🔗

A close relative of mine went to the hairdressers for a ‘perm’ recently. She was wearing a mask and said that she noticed the smell of the stuff they put on was very strong. She removed the mask but realised that the chemical had somehow become absorbed in the mask and she found that her lips were tingling several hours later.

Another good reason for not wearing a mask.

321721 Victoria, replying to Victoria, 4, #742 of 872 🔗

FaceTime Farewells: Grief in COVID Era
Worldwide Rise in Prolonged Grief Disorder Expected Psychiatric Pandemic Looming Pandemic Restrictions Affect All Stages of Grief Grief Reactions More Severe During the Pandemic Losses in Many Areas of Life Lead to ‘Bereavement Overload’

321854 ▶▶ Bill H, replying to Victoria, #743 of 872 🔗



321725 Mr Dee, 40, #744 of 872 🔗

A tiny, tiny sliver of Christmas cheer from Wales. The so-called rules are as follows:

“Some shops such as supermarkets sell multiple types of product, including the types of product normally sold by shops which are required to close at Level 4.

For the purposes of the regulations these shops are operating more than one type of business and they are required to close those parts of their premises selling products that a type of business which has been required to close would normally sell.”

However… my daughter discovered today that all aisles were open for business in our local Sainsburies. Chatting to her friend who worked there, she found out that in the first two days of the lockdown, the ‘inessential’ aisles had been cordoned off as per regulations. On the third day, management opened everything up. Why? Because the local Tescos was ignoring the rule. So good old competitive capitalism trumped Drakeford’s diktats. It’s beginning to crumble… Merry Yule!

321727 Tom Blackburn, 23, #745 of 872 🔗

Merry Christmas fellow sceptics and the writing team, including – of course – Toby.

All the best for the festive period to you all and your families.

321729 George Mc, replying to George Mc, 22, #746 of 872 🔗

Anti-vaxxers proving a nuisance:


‘As it emerges from its second Covid lockdown, France is preparing to roll out one of the biggest vaccination campaigns in its history. The country has been badly battered by the pandemic, tallying 59,000 Covid deaths and 2.39 million cases so far , and the vaccine would finally offer a way out of the ordeal.’

The PCR Ouija boards have spoken.

‘Yet, Paris will now have to grapple with another alarming reality: France has become one of the most vaccine-sceptical countries in the world.’

People displaying independent rational thought are a problem and we must deal with them.

Next up, a role call of sceptics:

‘“I’m not going to get vaccinated against the coronavirus, unless they make it mandatory. It doesn’t seem reasonable, when you look at how quickly these products have been manufactured .” Catherine, a 55-year-old French woman who is crossing Paris’s Luxembourg Gardens on her way to work, is absolutely sure: “I’m healthy, I don’t fall into the age groups at risk…I don’t need the shots.” Patrick, who is exercising just a few meters away, has a similar view: “I’m quite wary, usually it takes several years to create a new vaccine. This seems rushed , we have no long-term perspective on secondary effects,” says the 34-year-old engineer. “ I think it’s too soon to vaccinate the population.”’

Note how all these complaints are unbelievably feeble. No-one says, “I’m not getting vaccinated because it’s a total fucking con!”

‘Like the rest of the EU, France is awaiting the go-ahead of the European Medicines Agency to make the new vaccines available, but the country has already pre-ordered up to 200 million doses.’

No, “France” isn’t waiting for the mighty syringe from above. Only the lackeys grovelling before the bog knobs at the top are waiting.

‘The government has decided to leave the shots optional, and is in desperate need to boost the population’s trust.’

I’ll say!

Blah blah reassurance blah blah draft in cute “public face” blah blah ‘climate change’ – oh that’s a good one! blah blah ‘Greater involvement of the civil society’ – excellent! ‘with critics saying this is just a gimmick’. Well they fucking would!

Bit about that constantly recurring lack of faith in the authorities. Leading to

‘Public policy blunders bear some responsibility for this state of affairs.’

Well yes, if you define “policy blunders” as lack of effective propaganda.

Followed by an inordinate amount of diversionary drivel about the masks. Dull but it pads out the article.

Hang on a mo. What’s this?

‘The government’s efforts to win the public over may also be hampered by the increasing polarisation of the current political environment.’

And here it comes:

‘People on the extremes of the French political spectrum are also more responsive to conspiracy theories , which play a major role in the anti-vaxxer discourse.’

And there it is! Took a while but we got there.

Blah blah ‘conspiratorial mindsets’ blah blah ‘social media is making the problem worse.’
Damn straight it is! Why did we give these peasants information channels outside the ever-reliable TV?

But let’s end on a merry note:

‘The hope is that the new anti-Covid shots will pave the way to a return to normalcy and ease the pressure on health facilities overburdened with Covid patients. However, many frontline professionals are under no illusion that this will happen in the short term.

Ah that infinitely expandable “short term”.

‘Guillemette Frémont works in a hospital just east of Paris – an area where Covid has hit hard. She warns that, even once vaccination starts, the crisis will be far from over, with multiple new waves of the virus to be expected.’

Crystal ball time again.

‘She finds French people’s wariness of vaccines difficult to understand: “As a doctor and infectious disease specialist, I have always been puzzled by it.”’

Then clearly being a doctor and infectious disease specialist makes you incredibly stupid.
Let’s end with a bit of Orwell:

‘To defeat the nation’s rampant scepticism, transparency from the top will be paramount.’

i.e. more fog needed!

321800 ▶▶ Annie, replying to George Mc, 6, #747 of 872 🔗

French scepticism.May it flourish for ever.

321730 Steeve, 26, #748 of 872 🔗

The heartwarming greetings and thanks to fellow contributors today has made a good day even better!

321731 Basileus, replying to Basileus, 34, #749 of 872 🔗

1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. 2 He was in the beginning with God. 3 All things were made through him, and without him was not any thing made that was made. 4 In him was life, and the life was the light of men. 5 The light shines in the darkness, and the darkness has not overcome it.

14 And the Word became flesh and dwelt among us, and we have seen his glory, glory as of the only Son from the Father, full of grace and truth.

The Gospel of John, Chapter 1.

Christmas blessings to all.

321732 ▶▶ Alice, replying to Basileus, 7, #750 of 872 🔗


321734 ▶▶▶ Bugle, replying to Alice, 5, #751 of 872 🔗

And amen.

321773 ▶▶ Stephanos, replying to Basileus, 4, #752 of 872 🔗

Gratias ago tibi o rex.
In principio verbum erat
et verbum erat apud deum
et deus erat verbum
hoc erat in principio apud deum
omnia per ipsum facta sunt
et sine ipso factum est nihil
quod factum est.

321799 ▶▶▶ Annie, replying to Stephanos, 3, #753 of 872 🔗

Verbum caro factum est.

321804 ▶▶▶▶ Banjones, replying to Annie, 3, #754 of 872 🔗

et habitavit in nobis.

Happy birthday, Jesus.

321733 Silke David, replying to Silke David, 5, #755 of 872 🔗

Well, the labs certainly deserve their xmas break.
They rushed through 507.834 tests, resulting in 39.036 +results.

At 17.19. the at 17.12 updated dashboard is unable to give me breakdowns.

With that I will join the last minute rush for food and maybe catch myself a little virus?
Merry Christmas!

321768 ▶▶ Mayo, replying to Silke David, #756 of 872 🔗

They rushed through 507.834 tests, resulting in 39.036 +results

The 39k positives are not from the 507k tests. To-days ‘case’ numbers refer to tests conducted on previous days – mainly Dec 22nd & Dec 21st.

321735 crimsonpirate, replying to crimsonpirate, 5, #757 of 872 🔗

just seen the Covid dashboard update. One glimmer of light I noticed the announcer on the BBC added the caveat that much more testing is undertaken-507,000 yesterday.

321753 ▶▶ arfurmo, replying to crimsonpirate, 2, #758 of 872 🔗

2.2m “cases” so how many out of 66m have had it by now? Best punt anyone?

321798 ▶▶▶ Banjones, replying to arfurmo, 6, #759 of 872 🔗

If ‘Dominion’ were working it out for us, it’d say about 80 million.

321796 ▶▶ Banjones, replying to crimsonpirate, 5, #760 of 872 🔗

These huge figures could just be conjured up out of thin air, for all we know. Why are test centres nearly empty? Where are all these dimwits coming from, who supposedly queue up voluntarily for a nasty little procedure? Perhaps more than once?
Or, are these figures indeed made up?

321840 ▶▶▶ Bugle, replying to Banjones, 1, #761 of 872 🔗

Some NHS staff are testing every two weeks. I know of care home staff who are tested every day. These alone would generate huge numbers of tests, and depending how you count them: bingo!

321819 ▶▶ A. Contrarian, replying to crimsonpirate, 2, #762 of 872 🔗

It’s literally criminal that they don’t report the % positive figures to put it all into context.

For example, here is the number of tests vs positivity rate since 1st November for England. Tells quite a different story doesn’t it?

321736 George Mc, replying to George Mc, 38, #763 of 872 🔗

I have learned two big lessons from this virus guff:

First, that the mainstream media is far more monolithic than I previously thought. When they have decided to change tack – in this case an unprecedented change of tack – then they pull themselves together with ruthless efficiency, coalesce into one immense juggernaut and apply themselves relentlessly to their one goal.

Second, that the vast majority of the public have a childlike faith in this media and are incapable of the level of critical thought required to defend themselves from manipulation. Some of them have a deep feeling for when they are being deceived. But these more perceptive ones tend to have a protective tendency to withdraw. They know they are being bullshitted but are also shrewd enough to feel themselves in a minority. And, even if they are capable of articulating their disquiet, they know it is useless to argue with those around them. So, they keep their head down.

The bottom line is that the “horrible pandemic” has become the new received wisdom of the age, a dogma so firmly entrenched that it is not even seen as problematic.

The media works as it did on 9/11 but on a far more ambitious scale. The trick is to make everyone think they actually saw it all . In the case of 9/11, no-one saw the planes bring down the buildings. They saw planes hit the buildings; they then saw the buildings collapse ergo… planes caused the collapse. But the case with the Pentagon is even more of a consciousness coup. No-one saw anything hit the Pentagon – but I think many will feel they did. And the same with the crash of Flight 93. No-one had to see these things. They were reeling from the shock of the twin towers footage, heard about the other stuff and just “joined the dots” in the way the media told them to. And the movies made about Flight 93 leave their mark in the public mind too.

With covid: relentless virus propaganda, endless media drone, experts dragged in, medical terminology trotted out etc. Over and over and over. For 9 months.

And everyone thinks they saw it all happen . And so often I have heard people blandly state they know someone who died of covid. They have been handed the imagery, they have been read the PCR declaration, they know nothing about any limitations or subterfuge in the data collections and they think they saw it all happen . And once they have been, as it were, drafted into the programme. they are even willing to embellish it with their own imagination.

And it is pointless to engage with them on this. They “know” it happened because they “saw” it happen.

321741 ▶▶ dhpaul, replying to George Mc, 5, #764 of 872 🔗

Unfortunately oh so true.

321737 arfurmo, replying to arfurmo, 5, #765 of 872 🔗

Pass the sick bag Alice ( for younger readers this was a catch phrase of John Junor at the Express when referring to stupidlity) . Santa is muzzled https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9085921/Santa-spotted-NORADs-tracker-wearing-mask-delivers-presents.html

321810 ▶▶ A. Contrarian, replying to arfurmo, 6, #766 of 872 🔗

Can they explain why he needs to be masked? He’s definitely outdoors and social distancing whilst riding on his sleigh. When he comes down the chimney you’re all supposed to be in bed, so no danger there either. Hand sanitiser would be far more important I should think, if you’re that way inclined.

Why can’t they just tell any kids who ask that because Santa is magical (obviously, given the whole flying a sleigh around the world in one night thing) he’s not afffected by Covid? Why make him a part of this whole ridiculous charade? Can’t kids have one night off a year from seeing masked gimps everywhere?!

321739 Richard O, replying to Richard O, 45, #767 of 872 🔗

Been unexpectedly busy today engaging in lengthy and detailed exchanges with three non-sceptics, with a measure of success. None of them rejected my information out of hand, which is encouraging.

I think I might take a break tomorrow, but then again there are a few mates I’ve not heard from for a while who will be texting me best wishes so it may be more of the same.

A sceptic’s work is never done!

Cheers All. Eat and drink to great excess.

321769 ▶▶ Lisa (formerly) from Toronto, replying to Richard O, 2, #768 of 872 🔗

You’re a trooper Richard! I think as the pain trickles down there will be more people open to the message. I wish it didn’t have to get to that point, but I always thought there would need to be more widespread pain before people woke up.

Cheers to you, and based on previous posts I suspect you won’t have any trouble eating, drinking and smoking to excess! It’s too early to start drinking here yet, but I’ll join you in spirit in around 4 hours.

321777 ▶▶▶ Richard O, replying to Lisa (formerly) from Toronto, 4, #769 of 872 🔗

Thanks Lisa, always great to have your international perspective on things. 2021 is going to be interesting for sure.

I will be commencing a very long Xmas binge in a couple of hours. As you suggest, periodic excess in alcohol, tobacco and food is my speciality subject!

321843 ▶▶▶▶ Bill H, replying to Richard O, 1, #770 of 872 🔗

Go for it !

321797 ▶▶ Annie, replying to Richard O, 2, #771 of 872 🔗

Thank you for all those inspiring words.

321802 ▶▶▶ Richard O, replying to Annie, 1, #772 of 872 🔗

Thanks Annie, we can only hope that all our efforts (yours being at the vanguard) are not in vain.

321808 ▶▶▶▶ Annie, replying to Richard O, 9, #773 of 872 🔗

As I always say, we cannot be defeated, even by ourselves, because we cannot be turned into zombies. Once you’ve seen through the trick, it no longer works.

321740 mhcp, replying to mhcp, 21, #774 of 872 🔗

So now that Brexit has limped over the line, Boris is in direct line of sight for getting kicked out. Was this the plan all along for some Tories? The next few weeks may see a lot of long knives.

321743 ▶▶ crimsonpirate, replying to mhcp, 2, #775 of 872 🔗

now he has his legacy

321746 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to mhcp, 5, #776 of 872 🔗

Starmers speech in reaction to the news is the most uninspiring waffle I’ve heard in a while.

Could be anymore on the fence about every issue?

321781 ▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 4, #777 of 872 🔗

Every issue except more draconian mockdowns!

321862 ▶▶▶ Waldorf, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 2, #778 of 872 🔗

Starmer is a mediocrity. He is there because he is not Corbyn and will not go off message.

321795 ▶▶ Annie, replying to mhcp, 3, #779 of 872 🔗

St Bartholomew is the patron saint of people facing long knives.I hope he visits Boris soon.

321824 ▶▶▶ mikewaite, replying to Annie, 1, #780 of 872 🔗

So that is why “Mark” is going for sword training tonight. Getting in last minute practice “Mark” , or should I say Sir Graham ?

321749 swedenborg, replying to swedenborg, 5, #781 of 872 🔗

https://acaai.org/news/american-college-allergy-asthma-and-immunology-updates-guidance-risk-allergic-reactions-mrna These are the new UG guidelines as regards the C-19 vaccines. Earlier they said that pervious vaccine reactions were not a contraindication and now they are taking a small step back probably. Most likely not the first since the first 1 million doses seems to have, so far, resulted in 13 anaphylactic rection at least 10 times more than usual for other vaccines.

“Data related to risk in individuals with a history of allergic reactions to previous vaccinations and/or mast cell activation syndrome/idiopathic anaphylaxis is very limited and evolving. A decision to receive either of the mRNA COVID-19 vaccines should be undertaken by you with your physician or other provider administering the vaccine using their professional judgment balancing the benefits and risks associated with taking the vaccine.”

“Although the specific vaccine component causing the anaphylaxis has not been identified, polyethylene glycol is one of its ingredients and has been known to cause anaphylaxis”
See many posts on vaccine passports,mandatory vaccines etc.Highly unlikely with so many reactions already. They will be satisfied if elderly and high riskgroups are covered but will have a problem with younger HCW. But after that, the genral public and younger age?

321780 ▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to swedenborg, 3, #782 of 872 🔗

Do you think this might be why they are suddenly suggesting that people only get one jab instead of the follow-up one?
They say it’s to get more people vaccinated but surely it would make the jab even more pointless?

321851 ▶▶▶ swedenborg, replying to Cheezilla, 1, #783 of 872 🔗

No.FDA has not approved the vaccine in the usual sense but rather have given it green light using EAU.But both vaccines(Moderna Pfizer)need to be given twice and FDA and the companies will not allow only one dose.
It is ridiculous that MSM interview the public health ignorant charlatan Tony Blair proposing one dose.
The problem is the higher frequency than expected 1/60000 -1/100 000 anaphylaxis which couldn’t be detected in the phase 2 study with only 40000.It seems that PEG is the possible factor in the vaccine.The problem will now be for the second dose to be given. There must be a certain risk that some, not experiencing severe but only minor allergic reaction to the first dose, might have been sensitized and have a severe reaction to the second dose of the vaccine. Hope that anyone having minor allergc reaction consider this seriously. The “good” news is that elderly very seldom experience anahyphylaxis but HCW are much younger.

321789 ▶▶ Banjones, replying to swedenborg, 4, #784 of 872 🔗

A decision to receive either of the mRNA COVID-19 vaccines should be undertaken by you with your physician…”

Good luck with that, then. I thought most GPs don’t want to get too closely involved with us plebs any more?

321754 swedenborg, replying to swedenborg, 5, #785 of 872 🔗

The eminent public health specialist Dominic Cummings has produced a short piece in Spectator about the Russian who save the world.

The last phrase was a cracker

“In Britain parts of the nuclear enterprise have rotted from years of neglect, though thankfully the new cabinet secretary knows and cares and is acting to remedy this. In America and Russia security disasters are routine. As Covid has shown, far greater intellectual and material resources ought to be deployed on such apparently low-probability, high-impact events.”


321760 ▶▶ Mark, replying to swedenborg, 9, #786 of 872 🔗

As Covid has shown, far greater intellectual and material resources ought to be deployed on such apparently low-probability, high-impact events.

Ye Gods! If our past leaders (and the Soviet Union’s) had panicked over nuclear weapons issues the way our current elites, and Cummings himself, have over a jumped up cold, we’d have wiped ourselves out decades ago.

321770 ▶▶▶ guy153, replying to Mark, 9, #787 of 872 🔗

He’s trying to be clever (as usual) and aping Taleb by going on about “high impact low probability events”.

New zoonotic viruses come along about every 10 years or so and are rarely a huge deal. They’re not the most desirable things in the world but low impact and high probability.

I haven’t read the Spectator article but might have a look for a laugh.

Happy Xmas everyone!

321841 ▶▶ Bill H, replying to swedenborg, 4, #788 of 872 🔗

Fuck Cummings.

He needs to rot in hell.

Slowly. And forever.

A more dismal cretin never walked this earth.

Have a fine Christmas everyone !


321758 Sam Vimes, replying to Sam Vimes, 28, #789 of 872 🔗

Best wishes to all who gather here. You have all made this shit show more bearable. There’s more to come and we fight on, but for now, as a wise man once said, “Get some bloody ale down yer!”. Other vices are available. Have some fun and let’s keep it normal out there…

321761 ▶▶ Mark, replying to Sam Vimes, 11, #790 of 872 🔗

We fight on! We fight to win!

No beer yet, coz Thursday’s sword training night, and it doesn’t stop for covid or Christmas! Beer (maybe some port) afterwards….

321766 ▶▶▶ creakycraner, replying to Mark, 4, #791 of 872 🔗

Hear hear Mark. This sword training of yours sounds great fun. Enjoy that beer and port.

321759 cloud6, 25, #792 of 872 🔗

Just found a tactic that works a treat on anyone with Coviditus or is Covidian. Our local press has a comments section for their articles (debatable this), this person was getting all worked up at shopping, queing and social distancing. It was so simple to shut this person down, all you had to do was say, well you are not following Government advice and guidelines to stay home are you.

Merry Christmas all.

321762 Arnie, replying to Arnie, 38, #793 of 872 🔗

Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year to you all.

A massive thank you to Toby for running the site and everything that you do. Thanks also to your family for supporting your work.

My love to all of you Sceptics out there it’s been a uniquely horrible year but I believe 100% that we will win this, if you have any doubts think about the future we will leave for our kids and grandkids if we fail.

Big party tomorrow, even bigger party on New Years Eve then back into the fray.

Finally thank you for everybody’s kind comments and thoughts this year, you know who you are & I appreciate it.

Cheers folks, bottoms up, etc,


PS. Boris Johnson is F’ing Cnut for Christmas Number 1!!!

321764 ▶▶ creakycraner, replying to Arnie, 2, #794 of 872 🔗

Merry Christmas to you Arnie! Enjoy 🙂

321807 ▶▶ james007, replying to Arnie, 3, #795 of 872 🔗

Have a brilliant party Arnie!
Just been laughing along to Dominic Frisby’s 12 Drunk Days of Christmas

321765 Arnie, replying to Arnie, 15, #796 of 872 🔗

Mabel could you design a football scarf for the Boris Johnson is a F’ing Cnut song please? I’m thinking along the the lines of Boris Johnson F C with a little ‘is a’.

I just think that a football scarf would be great because we can all buy one and wave it when we want to. Hats, T shirts, badges….

I hope this is the start of something big.



PS. Merry Christmas!

321791 ▶▶ Banjones, replying to Arnie, 4, #797 of 872 🔗

We could also use it pulled up over our chin (a ”face covering”) when we get close to any of the Terminally Terrified in a confined space.

321767 Cheezilla, 49, #798 of 872 🔗

Merry Christmas everyone!

Thank you Toby for creating this space and to you and the team for the hours you spend creating the daily Updates. We have been thoroughly spoiled! Your active compassion is revealed in your desire to keep this space open for those who will be spending Christmas alone this year.

Thank you to all in the wonderful community that has formed itself BTL. I have learned much from your contributions and also been given frequent cause to cry with laughter.

I hope you all manage to salvage some Christmas spirit. Sending everyone illicit laughter, illegal hugs and much love.

321774 Stephanos, replying to Stephanos, 1, #799 of 872 🔗

Incidentally, I do know that some accents are missing – I am using a different font to that which I normally use and the accents and breathings are not in the same place!

321792 ▶▶ Annie, replying to Stephanos, 3, #800 of 872 🔗

I am having a day off from accents.
Just one day.
I trust that rough breathing is not a symptom of you-know-what.
I believe that it can be cured by generous amounts of proparoxytone.

321775 swedenborg, 3, #801 of 872 🔗

“Swale’s 3 prisons and the truth about the borough’s surging coronavirus infection rate
 I assume it takes only a few hundred prisoners “pos” to increase the figures locally to become the hotbed of C-19 in UK and plunge us into a lockdown 3.

321776 guy153, replying to guy153, 1, #802 of 872 🔗

It’s all Greek to me mate.

321787 ▶▶ Stephanos, replying to guy153, 2, #803 of 872 🔗

At the risk of being pedantic, the actual quotation (from Shakespeare’s Julius Caesar I ii 282) is:
Cassius: And did Cicero say anything?
Casca: Ay, he spoke Greek.
Cassius: To what effect?
Casca: Nay, an I tell you that, I’ll ne’er look you i’ the face again; but those that heard him smiled at one another and shook their heads; but for mine own part it was Greek to me.
Quite where ‘all Greek’ came from, I have no idea, and the Arden Shakespeare is silent.

321809 ▶▶▶ guy153, replying to Stephanos, 1, #804 of 872 🔗

Thanks I never knew where that expression came from!

As for John I can actually read the Greek but still have no idea what he’s talking about 🙂

321836 ▶▶▶ Bugle, replying to Stephanos, 3, #805 of 872 🔗

You may have seen the poster by Bernard Levin which purports to show all the novel expressions Shakespeare is credited with. My guess is he borrowed and adapted expressions he heard in the streets, taverns and other social settings, just as Chaucer did.

321861 ▶▶▶ Waldorf, replying to Stephanos, 2, #806 of 872 🔗

In the Middle Ages in Western Europe, knowledge of Greek almost disappeared, even though it was the original language of the New Testament. Surviving Greek manuscripts sometimes were marked in Latin “Is Greek, cannot be read”. In the Renaissance knowledge of Greek revived among scholars, one theory being that Greek-speaking refugees from the Ottoman capture of Constantinople in 1453 taught Greek to people in the places where they sought refuge.

321892 ▶▶▶▶ Stephanos, replying to Waldorf, #807 of 872 🔗

To all those who responded to my pedantic and pernickety response, if you want to learn New Testament Greek (Greek is the most important language in the world, by the way), please contact me at http://www.eroumen.co.uk . Not sure I should be advertising on Toby’s wonderful site, but heigh ho!

321778 assoc, replying to assoc, #808 of 872 🔗

Does anyone know percentage of U.K. hospital deaths mention ‘covid’ on them and how has this percentage varied since the spring?

321783 ▶▶ RickH, replying to assoc, 1, #809 of 872 🔗

Sorry – but I think you have a big trawl to get an answer. The data, in statistical terms, is totally f.ed. Try the CEBM site for the day-to-day data.

321847 ▶▶ Aslangeo, replying to assoc, 2, #810 of 872 🔗

Graphic based on latest ONS data – all settings – I could not find the all causes hospital data set.

IN the spring the peak we had up to 39% of all deaths mentioning Covid – by the Summer this had reduced to about 1 to 2% in the Autumn the Covid mentions on death certificates had increased to 22 to 24%

Hope this helps

321853 ▶▶▶ Aslangeo, replying to Aslangeo, 1, #811 of 872 🔗

Broken down by age group for 60’s , 70’s 80’s and 90 plus – all look pretty similar – again based on ONS data

321779 WasSteph, 9, #812 of 872 🔗

I’ve had to register and couldn’t use my name. So Steph is now WasSteph.
Actually great to have a bit more control around it as some people were misusing others’ IDs.

321782 swedenborg, replying to swedenborg, 7, #813 of 872 🔗

 You might not agree with everything he says but Prof Balloux seems to be the only scientist in the UK being calm and best judge of every hyped up claim by other scientists. This twitter thread about the new mutant strain is very good and from someone who knows much about these things.

321785 ▶▶ RickH, replying to swedenborg, 10, #814 of 872 🔗

To get to the meat of the paper underpinning the Twitter comment :

“At this stage we find no evidence for significantly more transmissible lineages of SARS-CoV-2 due to recurrent mutations.”

321786 ▶▶▶ Banjones, replying to RickH, 4, #815 of 872 🔗

Madge Hancock says there is, of course. (And HE’s got a PPE, you know.)

321806 ▶▶ guy153, replying to swedenborg, 2, #816 of 872 🔗

Yes that was an excellent thread. This is also Balloux’s actual direct area of expertise.

321784 Stephanos, 26, #817 of 872 🔗

My thanks go to Mark who posted a bar chart (yesterday I think) of deaths per 100,000 over the past twenty five years (or so). I decided to print this out and give the print out to a couple of my Latin students, who, by their own admission, are not very numerate. It became clear to them there had been a misuse and selective quotation of statistics and it started to explain why I was so vehemently against all this nonsense. I was a sceptic before the first lockdown.
Thanks again Mark and Merry Christmas to you and to everyone on here.
I have found that I am far from alone, and that is a great comfort.
My troubles have been nowhere near as serious as those experienced by many on here as I found out (or rather, reminded myself) when I went through ten days of the blogs for the Covid 19 assembly. Very distressing, but I do not regret doing it.

321788 RickH, replying to RickH, 36, #818 of 872 🔗

I’m just blowing off steam. Nothing new, but reinforced today.

I was watching Scottish Ballet’s brilliant use of visual media (available on YouTube) to keep things going with an on-line production.

In one respect, it was heartening to see the professionalism going into the process of keeping things going (I have personal connections with those doing this).

But … but … the overwhelming emotion was dominated by a choking sadness at what is being lost as theatres go dark, and remembering (the score of the ballet was from Tchaikovsky and Rimsky Korsakov) what we were not playing at our traditional Christmas orchestral concert this year. No sense of stoic heroism could overcome that dominant emotion – about the desiccated corpse of a society that has been wished on us by psychopaths and sociopaths pretending to a humanity they don’t possess.

There is no rationale, no excuse.

321829 ▶▶ HoMojo, replying to RickH, 30, #819 of 872 🔗

Yeah, I hate the way our culture has been destroyed. I have a professional connection to theatre and drama, but even if I didn’t I’d still be wanting to kill all the people who have taken the joy from our lives. No arts, no creativity, no sporting events, no community. And now no restaurants and pubs. Nothing that really makes life worth living. When oh when are people going to wake up? Save lives, save, lives, save lives. What for? I have a ninety year old (plus) neighbour who has just had the worst year of their lives. This is deliberate, it’s cruelty, it’s inhumane and it’s murder. Are we really just going to sit back and let it happen? What are we saving lives for? Any ideas? So people can be sold into slavery? Even the slaves of the American deep south celebrated Christmas. What have we become? Why no uprising? I loathe the tyrants that have done this, but more pertinently I loathe the general public who have facilitated it. I had to go to the osteopath, the bank and the supermarket today. I was unmasked in all, but the only one. No-one blinked, let alone asked, so why oh why are they all wearing the damn things as if it’s the most natural thing in the world? BTW neither Stalin nor Hitler abolished the arts.

321835 ▶▶▶ AshesThanDust, replying to HoMojo, 12, #820 of 872 🔗

Saving lives by stopping living. And they believe, they really believe, that we are the killers.

321849 ▶▶▶ RickH, replying to HoMojo, 10, #821 of 872 🔗

No arts, no creativity, no sporting events, no community.”

You’re right, of course, HoMojo. I picked out one aspect – but it is much wider.

The implicit disregard of what society embodies – in favour of a tremulous self-regard in case of a highly improbable discomfort or death doesn’t speak well of the human race as seen in Euope.

321868 ▶▶▶ Hugh, replying to HoMojo, 3, #822 of 872 🔗

We had a record attendance at our “educational support group” (also known as prayer group) during the second lockdown.

Easier said than done, I know, but find some loopholes, find some like-minded individuals, get together and keep real life going.

Any “mister Loophole” on here like to elaborate?

321833 ▶▶ AshesThanDust, replying to RickH, 6, #823 of 872 🔗

The desolation is worsened by the fact that all my colleagues in the theatre seem to be absolute lockdown fanatics. Throwing everything we have collectively and individually worked to perfect and sustain over the years under the bus is Worth It if it Saves One Life.

321790 Dorian_Hawkmoon, replying to Dorian_Hawkmoon, 44, #824 of 872 🔗

It is impossible to use the word ‘merry’. I shall quote Peter Hitchens and also thank every one of you (and of course Toby in particular) who has contributed to this brilliant site even in the smallest way and kept the flame alight during this dark time of Govt attacks on the people and of worldwide panic. You have helped me survive and be informed and yes even to laugh.
“I cannot really wish anyone a happy Christmas in this time of unrestrained folly and mass hysteria, but may I wish those who would appreciate it a very blessèd Christmas, full of grace and truth?”

321855 ▶▶ Hugh, replying to Dorian_Hawkmoon, 10, #825 of 872 🔗

Truth will win in the end, together we can see that it does.

Channel the anger into having the merriest Christmas ever in defiance of those who would “ban” it.

(Would love to know how you do a grave accent for “blessed”!)

321793 Andy C, replying to Andy C, 47, #826 of 872 🔗

I just wanted to take a couple of minutes to wish you all a Merry Christmas or something close to it. This website has kept me going since it opened and without the community here and the hard work and good humour of the content creators, this year would’ve been a hard slog indeed. Hopefully, the nightmare will come to an end very soon.

321817 ▶▶ Ossettian, replying to Andy C, 1, #827 of 872 🔗

“Hopefully, the nightmare will come to an end very soon.”

What do you think will bring it to an end?

That would require the government to end it. But they could have ended it in July

321823 ▶▶▶ Andy C, replying to Ossettian, 13, #828 of 872 🔗

They could’ve. I was just trying to be positive, I suppose.

321828 ▶▶▶ straightalkingyorkshireman, replying to Ossettian, 4, #829 of 872 🔗

The people, not the govt will surely put an end to this madness when poverty and mass unemployment become a reality. Long way to go yet though I fear.

321883 ▶▶▶ jonathan Palmer, replying to Ossettian, #830 of 872 🔗

Yes remember Independence Day.The fact that they have continued the crisis by maintaining fear up to now despite the astronomical cost to the economy shows there is something deeper behind all this.They had every chance to declare victory and move on and yet we sit here on Christmas Eve forbade from socialising with friends and family.

321885 ▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Ossettian, 2, #831 of 872 🔗

Civil disobedience. Hopefully starting bigtime over Christmas because HMG pushed it too far this last few days.

Resist: Defy: Do not comply!

321889 ▶▶▶ George L, replying to Ossettian, 1, #832 of 872 🔗

What do you think will bring it to an end? Hunger, despair, leading to massive civil disobedience. Government certainly won’t end it, they are the takers of our power, and that can never be satisfied.

321856 ▶▶ DJ Dod, replying to Andy C, 11, #833 of 872 🔗

It has been a nightmare, but eventually economic reality, if nothing else, will force a change of direction from the Government. In the meantime, we have to console ourselves with the knowledge that history will not be kind to those currently in power – like Blair, they have left a legacy of lies and destruction, but in Johnson’s case the innocent victims are the people of the UK.

However, as anyone who remembers ‘Cool Britannia’ will tell you, ‘Things can only get better’!.

Merry Christmas everyone!

321794 Silke David, replying to Silke David, 14, #834 of 872 🔗

As a hospitality professional I do not like seeing waiting staff I face coverings.
But I would like to see chefs cover their hair and shave off beards!

BBC2 tonight the height of do as I say, not as I do. Aaarghh!

321846 ▶▶ davews, replying to Silke David, 4, #835 of 872 🔗

Many of them on the recent Masterchef are seen kneading food with their bare hands then licking them to see how it tastes…

321884 ▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to davews, 2, #836 of 872 🔗

That’s the traditional way!

My Mum always said the best way to get gardening hands really clean was to make some pastry ….

321812 Annie, 71, #837 of 872 🔗

Here’s wishing you all the best Christmas that can possibly be had in the circumstances.
Surrounded by evil, you have held firm as a bastion of light and sanity. I am grateful to every one of you.
Stand firm at the gate of the year. It is a hard road that we travel, but we journey towards the light.
God bless you all.

321822 George Mc, 20, #838 of 872 🔗
  • Save lives! Stop dangerous disinformation by banning all channels except govt approved ones!
  • Save lives! Shut down medical services except the ones to deal with covid!
  • Save lives! Divert all production to goods needed to fight covid!
  • Save lives! Shut down all “inessential” work!
  • Save lives! Scrutinise all essential work to eliminate dangers!
  • Save lives! Eliminate “unnecessary” services!
  • Save lives! Protect vulnerable people by testing all support staff!
  • Save lives! Protect vulnerable people by barring all staff who test positive!
  • Save lives! Protect vulnerable people from all company!
  • Save lives! Protect vulnerable people from disinformation by constantly telling them how much danger they are in!
  • Save lives! Prepare for coming pandemics caused by capitalist “incompetence”.
  • Save lives! Divert all production to goods needed to fight coming pandemics!
  • Save lives! And do absolutely nothing else!
321825 Annie, 4, #839 of 872 🔗

JP casts a jaundiced eye on this Christmas:


I don’t go for the communism idea myself, but everything else is spot on.

321826 Hugh, 29, #840 of 872 🔗

“Destiny gave England the torch of liberty to hold” – Christmas Under Fire, 1940.

How on Earth, I wonder, have we ended up where we are, with less liberties, and more disruptions to our Christmas than ever we got from the Nazis in 1940?

Oh well, merry Christmas one and all, and I hope you are all able to see friends and loved ones and do all the things you love to do at this time of year. Don’t let the buggers get you down…

321834 Ossettian, replying to Ossettian, 17, #841 of 872 🔗

The Germans treated the Channel Islanders far better than we are being treated now.

321850 ▶▶ Hugh, replying to Ossettian, 6, #842 of 872 🔗

(Apart from the Jews).

My lockdown sceptical Channel Islands acquaintance complains that the EU don’t respect their fishing waters.

To be honest, it would probably be quicker to say who wasn’t being treated better than us.

321842 CGL, replying to CGL, 38, #843 of 872 🔗

I would just like to echo everyone else today who has thanked Toby and all the LDS crew who keep this site going. Like so many others here, I am not quite sure how on earth I would have got through the last few months without this place to come and be with sane people (well vaguely sane anyway). I feel I have come to know so many of the regular posters, and I so look forward to the day when we can put some faces to the handles. You are amazing – thank you so much for commenting, helping, supporting and for the effort and time that is clearly spent collating data, graphs and stats. I hope you can all have as good a time as possible over the next few days. I will also be trying to minimise time here for a few days – a break is definitely required. Cheers everyone.

321844 ▶▶ DRW, replying to CGL, 7, #844 of 872 🔗

Best wishes to you CGL, let’s hope we can eventually enjoy a victory party.

321845 ▶▶▶ CGL, replying to DRW, 5, #845 of 872 🔗


321848 Smelly Melly, replying to Smelly Melly, 28, #846 of 872 🔗

I have only just been informed that in India there has been the worlds biggest general strike of 250 million. They are striking over employment reforms making it easier for employees to be fired (amongst other issues) bought about the effects C19 has had on the country. Unemployment has soared along with price increases. There has been protests where water cannons have been used.

Just maybe the end of this plandemic will come from countries where the people have much more to loose than us in the west.

321857 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to Smelly Melly, 11, #847 of 872 🔗

They’ve used the pandemic as the pretext for all their wildest dreams. As the tide goes out we get to see who is wearing trunks as they say. Beware those who seek to provide answers when they created the destruction that lays before us.

321882 ▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Smelly Melly, 2, #848 of 872 🔗

This too:

It’s what the massive Sikh protest in London was about.

321852 wayno, 21, #849 of 872 🔗

Merry Christmas to Toby et Al, and the regular contributors to this page. Thanks for helping me stay sane through the last 9 months. I thank you one and all. Keep up the good work. Hers a little ditty for you all, lyrics are apt. https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=DKL4X0PZz7M

321858 davews, 7, #850 of 872 🔗

Don’t forget the Santa special train tonight, passing a station near you and not a mask in sight….

321859 DomW, replying to DomW, 37, #851 of 872 🔗

Seasons greetings, best wishes and thanks from the bottom of my heart to Toby, the LDS team and all who post here.

The site has to me been an oasis of truth, sanity, kindness, honesty and courage in a world that has in large part forgotten it’s humanity and collectively gone mad. It has helped me immensely in the darkest times to know that I am not alone, and in better days to marvel at the strength of those who post here.

Please all have the best Christmas you possibly can.

After that, the fight goes on!

321898 ▶▶ bebophaircut, replying to DomW, #852 of 872 🔗

Save the Earth! Depopulate the world.
Dr Antony Mueller on Delingpod is really good.

321860 BeBopRockSteady, 28, #853 of 872 🔗

Merry Christmas ya filthy animals

321865 jayp, #854 of 872 🔗

Merry Christmas all , just a massive THANK YOU Toby, Will and Team along with all contributors .. oh boy have I needed your company , information and sceptic humour .
Have a good one !!

321866 Paul, replying to Paul, 33, #855 of 872 🔗

My best Christmas wishes to all of you kind,caring,intelligent and above all,sane souls on here,without all of you to share with,let off steam,learn from and have my faith in humanity restored by I dread to think where I might be now,I thank you all from the bottom of my heart.
Give and receive as many hugs and kisses with your family,friends and loved ones as you can,eat,drink,be merry,sing,dance and just have a good,normal Christmas.
We have made it this far and we can make it to the end,we must be getting near the top of the hill of madness by now,it may take a while longer or it might be sooner than we expect but we will not falter and we will be on the right side of history.

321869 ▶▶ Hugh, replying to Paul, 16, #856 of 872 🔗

So far so normal for me, started and finished my Christmas shopping this afternoon! 🙂 Now for midnight mass at our sceptical church (they even warned about the dangers of these “vaccines”!)

All the best for Christmas!

321867 GiftWrappedKittyCat, 21, #857 of 872 🔗

Merry Christmas to all my fellow sceptics. Have a good one.

321870 swedenborg, replying to swedenborg, 20, #858 of 872 🔗

https://twitter.com/MichaelPSenger/status/1341949624060284930 “1952: Jonas Salk invents first successful polio vaccine, but refuses to profit. “Who owns this patent? Well, the people I would say… Could you patent the sun?” 2020: Moderna execs announce untested mRNA vaccine, dump stock, then walk back all promises.


There are many antivaxxer in the blog who will not like this but polio was a terrible disease as can be seen in this short minute video with the famous quote from Salk. This was the nightmare for every family having small children in the early 1950s. Important reminder for the antivaxxer.
 Imagine a scientist today saying something similar? The rot started in the 1980s with a new US law allowing federal employee in CDC etc taking out individual patent in their federal funded research. Earlier it belonged to the state. This was probably when Big Pharma saw the enormous opportunity to use that and starting its incestuous relationship with scientists.We see the result now.

321879 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to swedenborg, 2, #859 of 872 🔗

When it comes to Big Pharma, these guys to an excellent deep dive. They are comedians by trade so it makes for funny discussions as they unpick the history. I’ve listened to it three times end to end it is so full of info


321887 ▶▶ George L, replying to swedenborg, 1, #860 of 872 🔗

swedenborg.. I just need to say the use of the slur antivaxer is just not needed thanks. You also need to do your homework on polio and the start of the vaccine. Any statistical graph will show you that the worst of polio deaths and damage had declined massively before a vaccine was intoduced..

321894 ▶▶ OKUK, replying to swedenborg, 2, #861 of 872 🔗

I think you’ll be hard pressed to find a single contributor here who opposes the polio vaccine. There might be one or two. Most people here are not anti-Vaxxers but there are a lot of people like me who are vaccine sceptics. By that I mean that we oppose the Big Pharma project to replace the natural immune system with one driven by vaccinations, for – not 5 or 10 or 20 diseases – but for 100s of diseases and also for numerous conditions that are not necessarily harmful to the individual.

321871 p02099003, 10, #862 of 872 🔗

Vincent Racaniello has a series on virology on YouTube which is easy to digest there are several lectures each just over an hour long. This is the first one, which is a bit of an eye opener about the number of viruses that are around. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lj3NhPgOoX4
The second one discusses how viruses infect cells. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mdYTi6yT1Ew&t=1348s

Finally, I hope you all have the best Christmas possible under the circumstances. Merry Christmas to you and your bauble bubble/kin

321873 Les Tricoteuses, #863 of 872 🔗

Thanks for being here everyone.

“But such is the irresistable nature of truth, that all it asks, and all it wants is the liberty of appearing.”
Thomas Paine

321876 Fingerache Philip, 20, #864 of 872 🔗

All the best, keep the faith, WE WILL WIN.

321878 Alexei, 15, #865 of 872 🔗

Merry Christmas everybody, and thank you to Toby and team for creating this community.

Escape from London day tomorrow. I’ll be making a break for it via the A40. “Call me Snake”.

321886 zubin, replying to zubin, 15, #866 of 872 🔗

Thankyou all lockdown sceptics for your priceless life saving thoughts, info, etc. You have helped me stay sane. From the bottom of my heart: thankyou

321890 ▶▶ First Minister of Bubbledom, replying to zubin, 5, #867 of 872 🔗

Same here x

321888 theanalyst, replying to theanalyst, 16, #868 of 872 🔗

Very nice that a few family skeptics can meet at Xmas after a few glasses. 3 Generations enjoying Christmas Eve.

We all now agree its Gates money at work in the background paying for the global media. Traditional media revenues are falling and he is filling in the gap paying for the so called ‘health reporters’ and trying to revolutionize the Pharmaceuticals industry. His next big project. It is very obvious. It is the only explanation. They spread fear and talk the same language and use the same metrics in country after country.

All this masky social distancing and shutting down pubs and restaurants is designed (not a coincidence) to stop people meeting, discussing, and forming opposition. Tonight we ate and drank together and at least agreed Gates was a main driver.

Thanks for all your support and please have a happy Xmas!

321893 ▶▶ OKUK, replying to theanalyst, 2, #869 of 872 🔗

There’s a lot of politics as well as Gates’s ego at work. There’s the whole China/Biden/Dems/election steal thing. The Covid crisis was used cynically to
undermine the Trump campaign
(with the MSM, as
here, ramping up the hysteria). Covid was used as cover for preventing proper election count oversight and as justification for the deliberately wayward use of mail in ballots (which permitted huge fraud).

321891 OKUK, replying to OKUK, 2, #870 of 872 🔗

Low comment count tonight – either because it’s Christmas or everyone’s had the same problem I have had reconnecting after forgetting their password but being required to log in!

321896 ▶▶ jonathan Palmer, replying to OKUK, #871 of 872 🔗

Over an hour for a comment to be approved.Not liking the new regime

321895 bebophaircut, 1, #872 of 872 🔗

The latest Delingpod is a must listen. Dr Antony Mueller, now living in Brazil.
Greens, Ex Stasi, Ex Nazis, Ex Communist Youth members (Merkel) and The Great Reset. It’s a Puritan Revolution.



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