2020-12-25

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321897 Cristi.Neagu, replying to Cristi.Neagu, 68, #1 of 482 🔗

Happy Christmas, everyone. As happy as can be had.

321899 ▶▶ Andrea Salford, replying to Cristi.Neagu, 52, #2 of 482 🔗

Back at ya.

Remember our beloved Boris said it would be inhuman to cancel Christmas, so share, celebrate and enjoy as much and widely as you can. For as long as we have breath we have choice and power.

321903 ▶▶▶ Ovis, replying to Andrea Salford, 3, #3 of 482 🔗

Baaa!

321958 ▶▶▶▶ Hoppy Uniatz, replying to Ovis, 5, #4 of 482 🔗

username checks out

321976 ▶▶▶▶▶ Annie, replying to Hoppy Uniatz, 5, #5 of 482 🔗

Oves ovium, omnia oves.

321900 zubin, 39, #6 of 482 🔗

Happy Christmas everyone. Let’s keep fighting,hoping and praying for freedom. X

321901 Jane G, 28, #7 of 482 🔗

Yep! Happy Christmas, of the old and proper sort.

321902 Achilles, 40, #8 of 482 🔗

Happy Christmas all. Recharge your souls as best you can and come back fighting.

321904 Lisa (formerly) from Toronto, replying to Lisa (formerly) from Toronto, 69, #9 of 482 🔗

Merry Christmas to all of my virtual friends in the UK and elsewhere! Eat, drink, be merry, and break as many rules as you can.

321924 ▶▶ Richard O, replying to Lisa (formerly) from Toronto, 18, #10 of 482 🔗

Same to you. Toronto’s loss is our gain!

321909 Ceriain, 22, #11 of 482 🔗

Merry Christmas, friends.

Much love and good wishes to you all. 🙂

321911 Jesus, replying to Jesus, 36, #12 of 482 🔗

Merry Christmas all. Thanks for the months of sanity and perspective. Much to be done in 2021, sad to say.

321914 ▶▶ Ceriain, replying to Jesus, 31, #13 of 482 🔗

Happy Birthday, dude. 😉

321912 TimeIsNow, replying to TimeIsNow, 110, #14 of 482 🔗

The police were round my house tonight because we were singing carols in the garden. What is this? I swing between anger and despair. God bless you. God help us.

321926 ▶▶ Cheshirecatslave, replying to TimeIsNow, 25, #15 of 482 🔗

That’s dreadful.

321928 ▶▶ Richard O, replying to TimeIsNow, 61, #16 of 482 🔗

Shame on the police but even more shame on those who called them. We are in East Germany, circa 1980.

321949 ▶▶ Annie, replying to TimeIsNow, 28, #17 of 482 🔗

Once it was angels and shepherds, now it’s you. Sing on. Confusion to Herod’s thugs and blessings on you.

321983 ▶▶ Ovis, replying to TimeIsNow, 6, #18 of 482 🔗

Heil Johnsonstarmer! Merry spaffing Christmas.

321990 ▶▶ Jane G, replying to TimeIsNow, 29, #19 of 482 🔗

Deep, deep shame on whichever tosser(s) thought that was an appropriate thing to do on Christmas Eve. God will get them for that.
Happy Christmas to the carollers x

322066 ▶▶▶ Jo Dominich, replying to Jane G, 14, #20 of 482 🔗

I can’t understand it myself. It’s like the woman yesterday who shouted at me about a lack of a mask. On Christmas Eve of all days when people were struggling to get some cheer. The other thing is, you can stand outside in your Garden and sing Carols, that’s allowed I believe. Shame on the police as well. That would not have happened around here because the Chief Constable said Police would not be deployed on these trivial matters (including non mask wearing)

322027 ▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to TimeIsNow, 21, #21 of 482 🔗

Very sorry to hear this. Merry Christmas to you and your family. And a pox on the police and the neighbours who ratted on you.

322050 ▶▶ Waldorf, replying to TimeIsNow, 16, #22 of 482 🔗

Despite the words of “Rule Britannia”, many Britons make good slaves and even better enablers of slavery.

322056 ▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to Waldorf, 7, #23 of 482 🔗

Unfortunately you’re right. And many seem to be relishing it.

322248 ▶▶ bebophaircut, replying to TimeIsNow, 4, #24 of 482 🔗

Incroyable!

321915 rockoman, 11, #25 of 482 🔗

Merry Christmas all in these trying times

321916 crimsonpirate, 14, #26 of 482 🔗

Merry Christmas folks

321918 OKUK, replying to OKUK, 20, #27 of 482 🔗

Much crimbo to all the lockdownie fraterniparty.

321921 ▶▶ Richard O, replying to OKUK, 11, #28 of 482 🔗

Very much so, I look forward to your perspectives in the coming phases. Especially on late night sentry duty.

321922 ▶▶▶ OKUK, replying to Richard O, 7, #29 of 482 🔗

Likewise yours Richard!

321932 ▶▶ OKUK, replying to OKUK, 18, #30 of 482 🔗

Humble apple-ogres, my fallacio, I misspokey there and meant to say lockdownie sceptico fraterniparty of course . (In memory of Stanley Unwin…a true comic original, )

321956 ▶▶▶ wendyk, replying to OKUK, 4, #31 of 482 🔗

A great favourite of mine.

322252 ▶▶▶ bebophaircut, replying to OKUK, 1, #32 of 482 🔗

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aJ0nFQgRApY
Ronnie Barker – The mispronunciation sketch

321919 Allen, replying to Allen, 84, #33 of 482 🔗

This article that you have linked to is complete crap:

You should pull that rubbish. There in fact was decidedly not a pandemic- full stop.

Start with the fact that average age of “Death by Covid” exceeds Normal Lifespans:

Austria 80+ years Source EMS;Canada 86 years Source HCSC;England 80+ years Source NHS;France 84 years Source SPF;Germany 82 years Source RKI;Italy 81 years Source ISS;Spain 82 years Source MDS; Switzerland 84 years Source BAG; United States 78 years Source CDC; Sweden 86 years Source FOHM;

The WHO changed it’s definition of pandemic in 2009. In the annals of pandemic since the year 350 Covid ranks 23rd out of 24 in overall deaths as a percentage of population worldwide. The swine flu pandemic of 2009 (coincidentally the same year the WHO changed that definition) ranks 24th. These two pandemics are several hundred to a thousand % points lower in mortality rates than past pandemics.

“Deaths from Covid” are from a specific demographic- pandemics are noted to impact mortality rates of a broad demographic. The only demographic impacted by “Covid” was not merely the elderly but the most fragile of the fragile of the elderly- mainly those who were living in squalid conditions in nursing homes AND received altered and improper treatment which killed them. Virtually all, if not all were poor.

THAT IS NOT A PANDEMIC- quit perpetuating this lie.

By soft selling this lie cover is provided for the crimes that were committed.

322030 ▶▶ PastImperfect, replying to Allen, 12, #34 of 482 🔗

I am putting together a “Covid Fraud Destruction Document” that I shall send to my entire email list. Perhaps it will be “The Final Straw in the Destruction of Friendship and the Gateway to Banishment”

The Covid-19 Event

The response to the virus is a fraud throughout the western world.  France removed Hydroxychloroquine (HCQ) from over-the-counter availability in February after the Chinese had reported that its predecessor chloroquine was effective in treating Covid-19.  (American medical supremo Fauci recommended it for earlier sars outbreak in 2005.)  Fauci and western countries then banned the use of HCQ as a treatment of the disease.  Countries that used HCQ such as Russia and countries where HCQ is used for treatment of malaria had far fewer fatalities.  Many doctors fought their governments trying to get permission to use cheap, safe, effective treatments such as HCQ, but it was not until a vaccine was approved that it was reinstated as a treatment for C-19 in the USA.  (I am not sure whether HCQ or Ivermectin treatments are yet allowed in this country.)  HCQ is an anti-viral and works with vitamin D and zinc to treat C-19 and it is also good as a treatment for 'flu, according to Prof. Dolores Cahill.

This is just one example of what has been happening.  Clearly, there is an agenda.

321920 OKUK, replying to OKUK, 44, #35 of 482 🔗

It’s amazing how the BBC and the UK MSM are ignoring the gathering stolen election crisis in the USA!

Trump’s posted a no nonsense video from Man in America calling out the CCP’s primary role in an all out assault on America and Trump in particular. The video’s had 3 million views. Trump has called for his supporters to protest in DC on 6 Jan when Congress is supposed to be ratifying the Electoral College vote. I haven’t heard of any organisation going into that but my hunch is there is a lot of pro Trump anger in the land. I really wouldn’t be surprised if a million turned out.

321927 ▶▶ Richard O, replying to OKUK, 36, #36 of 482 🔗

Florida in 2000 looks like a minor bureaucratic squabble by comparison with this. We are in uncharted territory here. As you have said before, much more hangs on this than most observers outside the USA would care to imagine. A Biden presidency essentially means that China will be the dominant world superpower for the foreseeable future.

322011 ▶▶▶ Bugle, replying to Richard O, 20, #37 of 482 🔗

Nobody seems to understand the danger we are in. The only hope would appear to be military supervision of a re-run. God bless America.

321925 Cheshirecatslave, replying to Cheshirecatslave, 37, #38 of 482 🔗

Christmas greetings to everyone here. Just been to a relaxed and enjoyable midnight service and the vicar forgot to put her mask on for Communion.

321931 ▶▶ Quernus, replying to Cheshirecatslave, 29, #39 of 482 🔗

Good to hear 🙂 Just back from midnight mass in Manchester where there were about 100 (mostly masked) people. No singing allowed by the congregation, but I was part of a quartet singing carols. It actually made for a rather lovely service. Shame about the public service announcements, but the priest was maskless for the sermon, and (anti) social distancing was minimal.

321944 ▶▶▶ Annie, replying to Quernus, 38, #40 of 482 🔗

You are both fortunate. I shall not be going to the horrible, knickered, grovelling, voiceless Temple of the Covid Devil that our formerly beautiful church bas become, but I shall be singing carols on Castle Hill until my voice gives out.

322224 ▶▶▶▶ Cheshirecatslave, replying to Annie, 4, #41 of 482 🔗

I sang despite the rules as I do every week. they accept that another lady and i don’t wear masks. I know I’m lucky church is still enjoyable. Am planning to visit a church friend tonight.

321933 bucky99, replying to bucky99, 28, #42 of 482 🔗

Wishing a very Merry Christmas to all fellow sceptics! Hope you have a peaceful (and police-state free) day x

321934 ▶▶ Richard O, replying to bucky99, 24, #43 of 482 🔗

Same to you! Freedom from the police state starts in the mind. Which makes all of us here free, by default.

321935 Richard O, replying to Richard O, 20, #44 of 482 🔗

Highly recommend the series of short dystopian British films on this YouTube channel. Made in 2020 in response to the nightmare. Shot around The Barbican in the City of London. Several splendid pubs round there that I used to drink in regularly which are probably closed for good.

https://www.youtube.com/c/ZacharyDenman/videos

Masked Agenda/Mandatory Vaccine/Police State/Track and Trace/The Great Reset/Cashless Society/Mental Health/Property Seizure/Distorted Consciousness/Dark Winter

321937 ▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Richard O, 6, #45 of 482 🔗

I’ve been following that channel for a while, his films are very good but can only manage one at a time or it gets depressing.

321939 ▶▶▶ Richard O, replying to karenovirus, 7, #46 of 482 🔗

I’ve watched each video more or less as they were released, so the pain has been dispersed over a number of months. I feel absolutely terrible for the tremendous young actors/narrators. They will never know the freedoms we so carelessly took for granted.

321940 ▶▶▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Richard O, 13, #47 of 482 🔗

The keenest supporters of Comrade Stalin were the young; having known nothing but war, revolution and civil war they thought the relative stability of the 30’s meant denouncing kulaks, nefmen, priests and bourgeois conspirators to the Cheka/NKVD was the ‘right’ thing to do.

They were also the most likely to be taken in by the promise of a radiant Socialist future just around the corner and so not complain about the constant sacrifices they were making.

As with the end of lockdown, that radiant future was at the end of the rainbow.

321942 ▶▶▶▶▶ Richard O, replying to karenovirus, 11, #48 of 482 🔗

If we are denounced, then we are exonerated. To be against the new social order is to be correct. I care not how the fatal blow will be delivered. The machine does what it has to.

322283 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ bebophaircut, replying to Richard O, 1, #49 of 482 🔗

Jacques Ellul. Two books: Propaganda, The Technological
Society.

321967 ▶▶▶▶▶ TC, replying to karenovirus, 17, #50 of 482 🔗

War is Peace.
Ignorance is Strength.
Covid1984.
In the 60s and 70s the young would have been on the streets protesting – now they seem just to absorb the Government and msm “message”.
No doubt there will be exceptions who will cheerfully carry on being young and careless in the eyes of the State and good luck to them.

321984 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Louieg, replying to TC, 19, #51 of 482 🔗

Yes indeed, I’m spending Christmas at my youngests (29) son, Oxford educated journalist, fully signed up to the government’s disinformation. No amount of robust argument will convince him otherwise. He is also a member of the Labour Party…any correlation?

321988 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Louieg, 3, #52 of 482 🔗

Not sure about party memberships but plenty of left wingers are here.

322009 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Bella Donna, replying to Louieg, 6, #53 of 482 🔗

Our friends and relatives with grown up children have the same disconnect too, they’ve totally swallowed the B. S.

321936 Nick Rose, replying to Nick Rose, 15, #54 of 482 🔗

Merry Christmas all. (Annie, have DM’d you re last Sunday’s note about a meet with my details)

321950 ▶▶ Annie, replying to Nick Rose, 6, #55 of 482 🔗

I’ve sent a reply, hope we can meet soon.

321938 karenovirus, replying to karenovirus, 45, #56 of 482 🔗

Merry Christmas Everybody

322096 ▶▶ Matt The Cat, replying to karenovirus, 3, #57 of 482 🔗

Thanks Karen, have a peaceful Christmas … because we have to recharge our batteries for the fight in 2021.
Love the poignancy of that image, and I’ve duly nicked it to send in many of my Christmas greeting emails and IMs – cheers!

321945 Annie, replying to Annie, 30, #58 of 482 🔗

Special greetings to fellow Christians.

And is it true,
This most tremendous tale of all,
Seen in a stained-glass window’s hue,
A Baby in an ox’s stall ?
The Maker of the stars and sea
Become a Child on earth for me ?

And is it true ? For if it is,
No loving fingers tying strings
Around those tissued fripperies,
The sweet and silly Christmas things,
Bath salts and inexpensive scent
And hideous tie so kindly meant,

No love that in a family dwells,
No carolling in frosty air,
Nor all the steeple-shaking bells
Can with this single Truth compare –
That God was man in Palestine
And lives today in Bread and Wine.

John Betjeman

321985 ▶▶ Louieg, replying to Annie, 3, #59 of 482 🔗

One of my favourites, thank you!

321946 Chenbas28, replying to Chenbas28, 31, #60 of 482 🔗

Merry Christmas everyone. I’ve woken up early, so had a browse. So glad there’s a petition against face nappies in shops. I don’t wear one in supermarkets, fortunately never been questioned. And surprisingly haven’t been questioned the times I haven’t worn one on a train.Signed mask petition and the GBD petition. End this crap now!

322000 ▶▶ Ianric, replying to Chenbas28, 5, #61 of 482 🔗

Do you have a link to the petition.

321947 Dame Lynet, 16, #62 of 482 🔗

Good morning and as Merry a Christmas as can be managed in these mad times.

Thanks to all for being an informative and cheering beacon of sanity this year, and hoping for much better in the year to come 🙂

321948 JHUNTZ, replying to JHUNTZ, 12, #63 of 482 🔗

Tiffany Dover ‘dead’ rumours – Hospital denies outlandish claims ‘missing’ nurse who fainted after Covid jab has died (thesun.co.uk)

Didn’t plan on posting today then came across the Tiffany Dover conspiracy. Read the article then the comments!

322007 ▶▶ Bella Donna, replying to JHUNTZ, 4, #64 of 482 🔗

Interesting! She stopped posting on social media too.

321951 Annie, 44, #65 of 482 🔗

A touching poem from a DT comment on Sherelle Jacobs’ article:

A Visit from Granny

‘Twas the night before Christmas, when all through tier four
Not a household was mixing, the PM had implored ;
The presents were posted; wrapped with such care,
Hopes dashed that relatives soon would be there;
The children were dreaming as they lay in their beds;
While visions of better years danced in their heads;
And mum, lockdown sceptic, and I with my views,
Had just settled down for the BBC news,
When out on the drive we heard boxes clatter ,
We sprang from our chairs to see what was the matter.
Away to the windows we flew like a flash,
We realised Granny had done a mad dash.
The lights from the homes on the road where we live,
Shone a beam on the presents Granny wanted to give.
When our small children’s wondering eyes did appear,
It wasn’t a dream, their Granny was here!
With a little commotion, we had to be quick,
We hustled in Granny our movements were slick.
More rapid than eagles we helped hide her shame,
She hugged all the children and called them by name:
“My Rosie! My Jamie! My Daisy and Carrie!
My Thomas! My Benji! My Anna and Harry!
I’ve missed you all so! I couldn’t do Zoom!
Now hug me! And hold me! And show me my room!”

321952 karenovirus, replying to karenovirus, 5, #66 of 482 🔗

Probably best once you’ve hit the sherry
(There’s a unrude version somewhere apparently).

321971 ▶▶ mjr, replying to karenovirus, 3, #67 of 482 🔗

here you are . the Kunts home page
not only is the child friendly “Boris J is a sausage roll” here but also other versions including an acoustic version for easy listening
enjoy

322019 ▶▶▶ mjr, replying to mjr, 3, #68 of 482 🔗

also . from this link it is direct and only costs 50p so you avoid paying apple their cut !!!

321953 davews, replying to davews, 13, #69 of 482 🔗

Happy Christmas all however you manage to celebrate it this year.

I see there has been a Covid breakout at the Milton Keynes lighthouse lab, featured in last month’s Dispatches program. Who would have guessed…. No doubt Toby will find out more later.

322012 ▶▶ crimsonpirate, replying to davews, 6, #70 of 482 🔗

if you lie down with dogs, you will get up with fleas

321954 wendyk, replying to wendyk, 34, #71 of 482 🔗

Best wishes to all the sceptics and heartfelt thanks to Toby and the team.

Hang on to your resolve and your sanity folks.

Secondly, spoke to my sister yesterday; her rural area is now confined to Tier 4 for no good reason, she will not be having the vaccine and she and my brother-in-law are preparing to become largely self sufficient within the next couple of years.

She foresees the introduction of some kind of vaccine passport in the not too far future and believes that we, the conscientious objectors, must be prepared.

There are more sceptics just below the radar.

No passeran!

321962 ▶▶ wendyk, replying to wendyk, 4, #72 of 482 🔗

Should be- No paseran!

322211 ▶▶▶ Annie, replying to wendyk, #73 of 482 🔗

Should be ‘”¡No pasarán!”

322038 ▶▶ TimeIsNow, replying to wendyk, 4, #74 of 482 🔗

Thank you all. Feliz Navidad y un próspero año.

321955 Peter Thompson, 35, #75 of 482 🔗

Christmas best wishes to everyone and hugs and hand shakes to all . Always remember the darkest hour is just before the dawn. This nonsense and hysteria will end .

321957 PatrickF, replying to PatrickF, 8, #76 of 482 🔗

On behalf of all the staff at Amazon, I wish you all a very happy Christmas.
Jeff Bezos CEO.

322134 ▶▶ George L, replying to PatrickF, #77 of 482 🔗

Thanks Jeff, I’ve always said you were one of the good guys.. ha ha!!!

321959 PatrickF, replying to PatrickF, 44, #78 of 482 🔗

Preparing to bust out of tier four Kent, to see my 84 year old Dad in his Covid free village in Sussex. Summoning up my inner Steve McQueen as I turn on the ignition…..

321973 ▶▶ mjr, replying to PatrickF, 10, #79 of 482 🔗

watch out for that high fence.. make sure you get a good run up

322002 ▶▶ Bella Donna, replying to PatrickF, 5, #80 of 482 🔗

Go for it!

322004 ▶▶ Alexei, replying to PatrickF, 2, #81 of 482 🔗

Cooler!

322286 ▶▶ bebophaircut, replying to PatrickF, #82 of 482 🔗

Will you be driving a Jag XKSS? Steve McQueen had one. I saw him and his Jag one day on a return from Sorrento Beach, Santa Monica, Califoria, at a sports car dealer in Beverly Hills. It was black with a built-in headrest for the driver.

321960 alw, replying to alw, 29, #83 of 482 🔗

The problem is not the virus but the NHS itself. Because of Covid hospitals have increased the spaces between beds so hospitals have less capacity now than they prior to the virus. In addition there are high rates of staff sickness amongst NHS staff for various reasons some related to the virus. The NHS won’t pay the premium rate for agency staff so are in the position of chronic shortages of staff in some areas. All this has been confirmed to me by a senior consultant friend and family members who are doctors. So in summary we are still saving the NHS at huge economic and associated health costs. The patient can be saved but the NHS cannot.

Anyhow Merry Christmas everyone. Enjoy your celebrations 🎄 🎄 🎄 🎄

321968 ▶▶ George Mc, replying to alw, 14, #84 of 482 🔗

“Because of Covid….” That says it all. The destruction of the NHS is part of what the covid con is all about;

321977 ▶▶ mjr, replying to alw, 11, #85 of 482 🔗

“Because of Covid hospitals have increased the spaces between beds”
well that worked in keeping down the nosocomial infections didnt it !!!!

“In addition there are high rates of staff sickness amongst NHS staff for various reasons some related to the virus.”
they are all sat at home self isolating for a fortnight because of a dodgy positive tests!!

Baaaaah humbug.. I shall go an commune with nature 🙂

321989 ▶▶▶ malpractice, replying to mjr, 10, #86 of 482 🔗

To be fair some of them have a bit of a cough and feel a bit rough but instead of 1-2 days we have to stay in prison for now 10 days minimum.

322151 ▶▶▶ Sceptical Steve, replying to mjr, 11, #87 of 482 🔗

In fairness, my wife works for the local NHS trust, and has just received a bulletin from their Chief Exec tightening the rules on self-isolation. Now they are quite specific that you have to have to have been in direct contact, wearing no PPE, with a confirmed Covid case before you can swan off for 2 weeks paid holiday. Just working alongside someone with a sniffle is not considered an acceptable reason. (It hardly inspires confidence that it’s taken them about 9 months to make this clarification!)

322287 ▶▶▶ bebophaircut, replying to mjr, 2, #88 of 482 🔗

Most of them are probably sick from wearing masks nonstop.

321997 ▶▶ karenovirus, replying to alw, 8, #89 of 482 🔗

Two days ago a lady I have known for some years told of her elderly mother going into the main hospital for an ulcer.
While there she contracted Covid but recovered and was given a release date following a negative test.
The evening before going to the daughter for Xmas she tested positive !

She is now isolating in hospital because of what the daughter is convinced must be a false positive.

322053 ▶▶ RickH, replying to alw, 6, #90 of 482 🔗

The other aspect is the cumulative predation on the NHS that has taken place from the Blair days onwards under various privatisation scams, so that we end up with fewer beds and capacity to start with than most European countries.

321961 Cecil B, replying to Cecil B, 23, #91 of 482 🔗

Dear Sir Bob Geldof

I am writing to ask if you would consider doing a ‘Band Aid’ song in support of the toyless and hypothermic children of Wales

Something along the lines of ‘Do they know it’s Christmas time at all’ or ‘Thank God it’s them instead of you’ would be spiffing

Chin, Chin

Ces

321978 ▶▶ mjr, replying to Cecil B, 6, #92 of 482 🔗

as Dylan Thomas said “ The land of my fathers. My fathers can have it!
He had the right idea.. best thing to do now is to drink oneself to death

321964 Skippy, replying to Skippy, 9, #93 of 482 🔗

Happy birthday baby jeebus now on to the main event, eating and drinking my own substantial weight in Christmas based meals and booze

322036 ▶▶ zubin, replying to Skippy, 1, #94 of 482 🔗

Very funny. Brilliant x

321965 Joseph, 28, #95 of 482 🔗

Happy Christmas lockdown sceptics.

Thank you to every single contributor on here – from the writers to the community.

You really have been an island of reality in an ocean of diarrhoea. God bless you all!

321966 Fiona Walker, 4, #96 of 482 🔗

Merry Christmas everyone. Here’s a few jolly songs to get you started (it’s in mild bad taste but very short too – a bit like this Christmas!).
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=yPDkCOJO3pc&feature=youtu.be

321969 PeeDubbya, replying to PeeDubbya, 21, #97 of 482 🔗

Merry Christmas everyone.
“Head in hands” moment at 7am this morning. The wife’s secret santa at work got her a face mask with ‘I appreciate you’ on it 🤢

321974 ▶▶ Annie, replying to PeeDubbya, 11, #98 of 482 🔗

Puke.

321999 ▶▶ dhid, replying to PeeDubbya, 5, #99 of 482 🔗

Oh dear!

322045 ▶▶ TimeIsNow, replying to PeeDubbya, 4, #100 of 482 🔗

There are no words to describe that.

322046 ▶▶▶ DomW, replying to TimeIsNow, 3, #101 of 482 🔗

I can think of two.

Burn it!

322129 ▶▶ stevie119, replying to PeeDubbya, 3, #102 of 482 🔗

I got one thatsays “Warning – contains strong language”!!

321970 karenovirus, replying to karenovirus, 3, #103 of 482 🔗

Good Seasons Tidings from Local Live online (mirror group news).

‘There are no further Coronovirus deaths being reported from the region’ 👍

Just in time for Xmas cheer and the first time since March.
Then they go and spoil it all with a litany of total Covid deaths in each hospital in the region and in each of the English regions.

321987 ▶▶ davews, replying to karenovirus, 1, #104 of 482 🔗

Sadly not the case here, three deaths and over 100 cases yesterday. Not sure where on earth they are all coming from.

321975 kh1485, replying to kh1485, 20, #105 of 482 🔗

Happy Christmas everyone.

I had thought on this day at least, the usual insanity may be suspended, but no. Just been to put a wreath on my mum’s grave and some idiot jogger – even though the pavement was more than adequate for both of us – decided to jog past me in the road.

321980 ▶▶ DocRC, replying to kh1485, 10, #106 of 482 🔗

Keep the faith and Merry Christmas

321981 ▶▶ mjr, replying to kh1485, 10, #107 of 482 🔗

enjoy your day … and for circumstances like you just experienced keep these three little words in mind

“what a tosser!”.

keep muttering that and you will feel so much better .

321993 ▶▶ WasSteph, replying to kh1485, 17, #108 of 482 🔗

Let’s hope Darwinism prevails. The more of these idiots with empty heads who end up under a bus, the better for the rest of us. I am feeling vindictive this morning because these tossers buying so heavily into this means we all have a much poorer life.

321982 Alias Margaret, 6, #109 of 482 🔗

I think the naughty elves have been playing with the website. Have had to change e-mail and user name, but it’s still me!

Some light reading in case you get bored with the tv.

Have a great day.

http://probabilityandlaw.blogspot.com/2020/12/pooled-covid19-testing-makes-data-on.html

321986 davews, 3, #110 of 482 🔗

Final version on my sketch, based on James Leary original from here, if you didn’t see it yesterday. I decided to go traditional for Christmas Day not to upset our church too much when they see it on New Year’s Day. Comments welcome.

(power point file which you can either view at Google or download)

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1Xzv5ga9IPf6QCtxgB5cMFhZHGrrdvbKj/view

321991 WasSteph, replying to WasSteph, 28, #111 of 482 🔗

Judging by the cars around here in tier 4 Priti Central, a number of our neighbours are either at relatives or have them here. Bloody good show.
Merry Christmas.
Steph

321994 ▶▶ kh1485, replying to WasSteph, 12, #112 of 482 🔗

Good. I’m near the M11 and it sounds pretty busy.

Same to you Steph.

321992 maggie may, 22, #113 of 482 🔗

Happy Christmas all, thanks for all the encouragement and words of wisdom over the last god knows how many months. It’s been a huge support.

We went carol singing at two care homes locally yesterday – I volunteer for a local charity supporting elderly people, particularly those with dementia, through singing. We go and sing with residents in care homes every week – or we did until March. I’ve missed it so much but it was lovely to go and sing yesterday and wave through the windows to so many of them. I just hope that we get to go back next year and sing with them properly rather than at a distance.

Love and hugs to all

321995 SimonCook, replying to SimonCook, 6, #114 of 482 🔗

Nothing says Christmas like a piece of unsubtle propaganda…

321996 ▶▶ alw, replying to SimonCook, 6, #115 of 482 🔗

Pass the sickbag.

322031 ▶▶ Bugle, replying to SimonCook, 14, #116 of 482 🔗

Something I learned from 30 plus years of self-employment. Never attract the attention of the state.

321998 Bella Donna, 16, #117 of 482 🔗

First of all Merry Christmas everyone!

Secondly I don’t like the fact the Pfizer Executives not having their own vaccine under the virtue signalling line of not jumping the queue! Yeh right!

322001 George Mc, replying to George Mc, 9, #118 of 482 🔗

Yes, it’s Christmas morning and I’m already typing here. But I’m a sad obsessive git:

Sweden continues to be chastised for its failure to knuckle down with covid theology:

https://bylinetimes.com/2020/12/18/how-sweden-abandoned-its-most-vulnerable-and-its-principles/

This has to be the most obnoxious example of phony moralising from a ‘Leftist’ perspective.

The hyperventilating sanctimonious rhetoric erupts in the very first line.

‘Sweden’s self-proclaimed role as a humanitarian superpower has died, along with the country’s nearly 8,000 COVID-19 victims.’

And we are subjected to the hypocritical mewling over the “most vulnerable” – that elderly portion whose deaths are most questionably attributed to covid.

The use of the elderly has been a vital prop of the covid narrative since the big Western push started with Italy. And it’s easy to see why. No population experiences a higher rate of deaths than the elderly sector for the very fact that they are old. And from the beginning, no attempt was made to determine whether those who had covid AND comorbidities died from the covid or a comorbidity.

But now that Sweden has ‘learned its lesson’:

‘…the Government announced that it would begin the use of rapid COVID-19 tests, recommended by the European Centre for Disease Prevention and Control since 28 October.’

The Ouija boards are now set to play their indispensable part.

322006 ▶▶ karenovirus, replying to George Mc, 8, #119 of 482 🔗

Once again from last week at LS.

I’ve shown this to loads of people very effectively.

322010 ▶▶▶ Bella Donna, replying to karenovirus, 7, #120 of 482 🔗

Looks relatively stable doesn’t it. Nothing to get hysterical about. As some have said its the overall death stats that count as governments can’t fiddle those.

322015 ▶▶▶ Stephanos, replying to karenovirus, 5, #121 of 482 🔗

A very slight disagreement here. Assuming that the death rate is constant, I calculate that the total for the year would be 94,359. This is from (85336/331)*366. But that total is not so far from the highest total for those years (92185 in 2018).
This is a very crude calculation and doesn’t take into account the fact that the total for 2019 was the lowest of the ten years, so in general, I agree, no different at all.
Merry Christmas.

322024 ▶▶ George Mc, replying to George Mc, 6, #122 of 482 🔗

Bylinetimes has been the most aggressive pusher of the covid con from a ‘Leftist’ perspective. They may even outdo the World Socialist Website’s masturbatory zombie fest.

322042 ▶▶ Silke David, replying to George Mc, 5, #123 of 482 🔗

The author got a fundamental part of his headline wrong. Sweden did NOT lock down BECAUSE of their principles!

322052 ▶▶ Julian, replying to George Mc, 9, #124 of 482 🔗

“Sweden abandoned its most vulnerable” Hmm – all the lockdown countries did fantastically well preventing the most vulnerable from dying, didn’t they?

322003 karenovirus, replying to karenovirus, 3, #125 of 482 🔗

Don’t it make you feel all Chrismassy?

The downside is that while competing to buy groceries for shielding neighbour the player might get attacked by the Covid or find the shelves emptied by panic buyers.

I would have added getting assaulted by a seasonally attired Covid marshal for buying non essential items like toys for the neighbours grandchildren.

322055 ▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to karenovirus, 3, #126 of 482 🔗

It would be hilarious if it were satirical.
Unfortunately …… vomit, vomit!

322005 dhid, replying to dhid, 19, #127 of 482 🔗

Happy Christmas to all.

Special thoughts for those who may be separated from those they love.

I am fortunate to be sharing lunch later with my brother and niece, I will be thinking of those not so fortunate, whose lives are being blighted by this insanity.

322020 ▶▶ Bugle, replying to dhid, 13, #128 of 482 🔗

Thank you. Mrs Bugle and I are on our own, but we have each other and our dog, who has just ripped open his gift of a new cuddly toy and is busy throwing it round the room. Spontaneous joy!

322213 ▶▶▶ Annie, replying to Bugle, 6, #129 of 482 🔗

My dog is called Bungle and he has a new Christmas ball that SQUEAKS! He’s ecstatic!

322230 ▶▶▶▶ dhid, replying to Annie, 3, #130 of 482 🔗

They love squeaky things don’t they!

My brother’s much loved dog, aged 15, died in February, just after he was made redundant, but before the new stuff came in for people being made redundant, so he’s had a hard time this year.

Fortunately his daughters college is not too far away, so he was able to see her and me his “little” brother.

322253 ▶▶▶▶▶ Bugle, replying to dhid, 2, #131 of 482 🔗

So sorry to hear that. The loss of a dog is hard to bear. Hope your brother is finding a way through all this. Best wishes.

322366 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Annie, replying to Bugle, 2, #132 of 482 🔗

The best cure is another dog. You won’t love the new one as you loved the old one. You’ll love him just as much, but differently.

322372 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ dhid, replying to Bugle, #133 of 482 🔗

Thank you. He’s getting there.

322250 ▶▶▶▶ Bugle, replying to Annie, 4, #134 of 482 🔗

Our old dog was nicknamed Bugle: a big bear-headed Akita who loved to play with gloves, socks and smalls. Our new dog, a smaller Akita, prefers toys, but flings them round the room, endangering pictures, the TV, blinds etc. He also loves things that squeak.

Despite our Christian faith and that Mrs Bugle and I share similar views on covid and lockdowns, our life would have been much poorer without the bright presence of our dog – just life-affirming. Thanks for sharing.

322304 ▶▶▶▶ bebophaircut, replying to Annie, 2, #135 of 482 🔗

He’s having a bungle of fun.

322305 ▶▶▶▶▶ bebophaircut, replying to bebophaircut, 2, #136 of 482 🔗

Saw a Welsh Terrier puppy this afternoon. Love them. Had one when I was nine years old. We named him after the car manufacturer MG: Morris George.

322367 ▶▶▶▶▶ Annie, replying to bebophaircut, 1, #137 of 482 🔗

Bung on!

322008 Al T, 12, #138 of 482 🔗

The final indignity of the ridiculous Covid hysteria. The kids ‘Norad tracks Santa’ app, shows Santa in his sleigh, riding through the night sky…wearing a bloody mask. SANTA!

It’ll be no surprise if a generation of children grow up dusturbed.

Merry Christmas to all trying to stay sane.

In the spirit of seasonal goodwill, I trust all Covidians and lockdown fanatics enjoy their dinner whilst sitting in the cupboard under the stair.

322013 Fingerache Philip, 6, #139 of 482 🔗

I wonder if it’s breaking the lockdown rules if women give birth this Christmas day?
Come on girls, I’m sure you can hang on till tomorrow.

322014 James Leary #KBF, 10, #140 of 482 🔗

Now ….. which shall I wear today ….?

322016 Uncle Monty, 15, #141 of 482 🔗

Happy Christmas Toby, Will, Jonathan and all at Lockdown Sceptics.
You have made an otherwise awful year bearable!
Keep up the good fight. Wishing you all an enjoyable Christmas.

322017 Victoria, replying to Victoria, 4, #142 of 482 🔗

Covid vaccines could cause HIV infection

Study from The Lancet

https://www.naturalnews.com/2020-12-23-covid19-vaccines-could-cause-hiv-infection.html

322071 ▶▶ Bugle, replying to Victoria, 4, #143 of 482 🔗

What does HIV cause but Acquired Immunity Deficiency Syndrome? Could it be that vaccine-induced susceptibility to the Covid-19 virus (as reported in Italy this year) is due to vaccines containing a hotch-potch of indeterminate viral material?

322098 ▶▶▶ Annie, replying to Bugle, 5, #144 of 482 🔗

Escaping Covid to be killed by AIDS!
As they used to say, don’t die of ignorance.

322307 ▶▶▶ bebophaircut, replying to Bugle, 2, #145 of 482 🔗

Most likely. Those drug companies love to mix & match.

322018 mjr, replying to mjr, 17, #146 of 482 🔗

been for a walk. some idiots jogging dressed as santa . one group sat at a picnic table with a full breakfast laid out — in the middle of the country park. maybe one was from another bubble.
and as i walked home they were just opening the drive in PCR test centre. couple of cars waiting . 10.00am on christmas day. !!!
back to bed for me .. watching all 25 episodes of “the world at war” and let the madness pass me by

322048 ▶▶ Charlie Blue, replying to mjr, 2, #147 of 482 🔗

Enjoy your viewathon, mjr. Best wishes from down the road.

322101 ▶▶ mhcp, replying to mjr, #148 of 482 🔗

Enjoy Carl Davis’ score too. I’ve met him a few times. Great bloke.

322121 ▶▶ Andrew K, replying to mjr, 2, #149 of 482 🔗

The world at war, never grow tired of that program. That war the deaths were mesured in millions, I wonder if this one will be measured in billions.

322133 ▶▶▶ mjr, replying to Andrew K, 2, #150 of 482 🔗

puts the current fiasco into perspective. and anyway, christmas day tv is complete shite. – full of brain numbing tedious woke feelgood rubbish to keep the minds of the sheeple off real life.

322021 swedenborg, replying to swedenborg, 6, #151 of 482 🔗

Interesting just published article about the problems in PCR testing using pooled samples. Today also news of the outbreak of C-19 in one of the biggest testing lab in the UK.Clare Craig asks the relevant question. Could it be risk of contaminating tests, a rather interesting question considering the “alarm” about mutant strain.

https://probabilityandlaw.blogspot.com/2020/12/pooled-covid19-testing-makes-data-on.html

 Pooled COVID19 testing makes the data on ‘cases’ even more dubious

322043 ▶▶ Alias Margaret, replying to swedenborg, 2, #152 of 482 🔗

Posted below! Worth re-posting though Swedenborg. I think this is very important.

322095 ▶▶▶ swedenborg, replying to Alias Margaret, #153 of 482 🔗

Sorry missed your posting.Agree very important.A private enterprise is dealing with the most testing in the country.Can we trust their quality contols?

322022 Hattie, replying to Hattie, 12, #154 of 482 🔗

Have had to register again as appears my old user name and password no longer recognised.
Anyway, took MOH to Heathrow yesterday for a premature flight back to Qatar, thanks to Hancock’ s scaremongering with his precious new strains. Mr Hattie should have been here for 3 weeks after not seeing each other for 5 months – though Skype was a great help. Concerns were, that borders would be shut again thanks to the ramping up of mutant strains. Although yesterday that was not the case, the country has upped the quarantine rules in the past 2 days to hotel isolation ( which we were not aware, even the exceptional permit needed for entry stated home quarantine as he is over 55) – so inspite of a pre flight negative PCR test, he is now confined in a hotel room for 7 days, if no false positive occurs, with a very limited food menu. Luckily, there are a few Christmas treats in his suitcase. So, thanks Hancock for your continued fakery and hysteria aroumd the virus threat, though I would imagine there are plenty of truck drivers that would like to personally offer their thanks ….and South Africans.
I would note, on the drive back from London, plenty of illuminated signs stating ‘stay home, tier 4’ to which a raspberry was blown to each one I passed, the M25 was pretty busy, likewise the M11, A14, A11. Not too much notice being taken then of the stay at home message – good.
So we will have a Skype lunch today, and at least the hotel is providing beer and wine, so not a complete disaster.
Will now head off to our secret church with a candle. A beautiful old church at the end of a public footpath hidden in a load of trees. We stumbled on it last Good Friday whilst on a bike ride. It has been left open throughout and although not in formal use, is still intact inside and has been our little refuge. Well, it is more inspiring to sit there quietly than attending mass in the local church surrounded by masked goons.

322214 ▶▶ Annie, replying to Hattie, 4, #155 of 482 🔗

Knickered faces, blank dead eyes, terrified mumbling, cringing away from one another – and they still say ‘Christ overcame death by dying for us’!
They don’t believe a word of it, so why the hell do they bother?

322023 RickH, replying to RickH, 8, #156 of 482 🔗

Best wishes everyone.

Sticking to the knitting –

A very comprehensive study in Iceland with 40,000 participants found that children under 15 were about half as likely as adults to be infected, and only half as likely as adults to transmit the virus to others.”

But what does the term ‘infected’ mean here? Looking at the numbers, I would guess its out old enemy PCR+ results.

322026 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to RickH, 7, #157 of 482 🔗

Yes. That study I’ve cited to many parents looking to close schools.

Some of them are still saying Kawasaki Syndrome as a reason for their desire to ruin my kids development. It’s the one topic where I get close to feeling violent

322025 rockoman, replying to rockoman, 11, #158 of 482 🔗

On the 18h of December Tennessee nurse Tiffany Dover received a covid vaccine and 17 minutes later passed out on live TV.

The guy in the following video found a death record for a ‘Tiffany Dover’ on http://www.searchquarry.com , with details that matched those of the nurse. That was several days ago.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lfph6_IXUPs

If you go now to http://www.searchquarry.com then all searches for ‘Tiffany Dover’ are timed out, although all searches for other names are executed.

Searches for ‘Tiffany Dover’ appear to have been blocked.

Try it for yourself.

322033 ▶▶ Andy Riley, replying to rockoman, 7, #159 of 482 🔗

Confirmed.
I also tried searching for Ben Dover (just picked a random name there) in Tennessee – returned 11 results.

(I wonder what life is like for anyone called Ben Dover in Tennessee?)

322059 ▶▶ Major Panic, replying to rockoman, 3, #160 of 482 🔗

very easily de-bunked by producing nurse Tiffany Dover – alive

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZWZJS_XNMS0

322062 ▶▶▶ rockoman, replying to Major Panic, 5, #161 of 482 🔗

Exactly – that should be possible, if she is alive.

The death record plus subsequent blocking means one of two things for me:

Either:

  1. The nurse has died and that fact is being concealed, or,
  2. She is alive but the authorities wish to create the impression that she has died but that her death is being concealed.
322089 ▶▶ Les Tricoteuses, replying to rockoman, 2, #162 of 482 🔗

Just tried, exactly as you say. Timed out. Tried Brian Dover, works perfectly. Weird

322028 swedenborg, replying to swedenborg, 4, #164 of 482 🔗

Testing in France. Another example of the unreliability of PCR testing and how dependent on the amount of test done. Strong argument for replacing completely the PCR tests outside hospital setting with LFT and an intelligent test setup for hospitalized patients.

322061 ▶▶ mhcp, replying to swedenborg, 11, #165 of 482 🔗

Or not test at all except for people with symptoms as has been the case before. The trouble with PCR is that it is a search test rather than a characterised threshold test. They are trying to justify different Ct levels because they want to show that RNA/DNA is present without thinking through how that correlates with illness or even correlates with other tests at different cycles.

322188 ▶▶▶ George L, replying to mhcp, 3, #166 of 482 🔗

Yes, if they stop testing it all collapses..

322029 Charlie Blue, 16, #167 of 482 🔗

Best wishes to everyone, whatever the day brings. Off out with the dogs shortly before lunch with my parents. Thoughts with all the people who will be having a particularly tough day for whatever reason. I am as grateful today,as every other, for the fellowship and refuge that I find here. Like many others, I have no idea what state I’d be in without LS and all of you.

322032 l835, 9, #168 of 482 🔗

Happy Christmas everyone. I hope the jolly fat man has brought you more cheer than the other jolly(?) fat man! Thank you for keeping me sane with your support and sage (not that one!) advice.

So all welcome here, even drakeford (I need someone to take your coats!)

322034 JASA, 6, #169 of 482 🔗

Merry Christmas everyone. Thank you for all the support. Have a great day – the first of twelve days of Christmas, not just one or even none, as Hancock et al. want.

322035 Mayo, replying to Mayo, -5, #170 of 482 🔗

The percentage of London ZOE Covid app users reporting feeling unwell has plummeted in the last two days. A blip or sign of things to come?

I’m glad the ZOE Covid app is being used as source of evidence. It has been a fairly reliable leading indicator of Covid symptom prevalence since May.

Just remember, though, that the app effectively debunks the Yeadon theory of a ‘False Positive’ epidemic. On the other hand, it does support the app does suggest that daily infections were falling before Lockdown 2 was introduced and that the lockdown had no effect.

You can’t pick and choose I’m afraid.

322037 ▶▶ rockoman, replying to Mayo, 2, #171 of 482 🔗

Christmas effect on datasets I would guess.

322039 ▶▶ Major Panic, replying to Mayo, 5, #172 of 482 🔗

and symptoms for flu are?

322040 ▶▶ RickH, replying to Mayo, 24, #173 of 482 🔗

the app effectively debunks the Yeadon theory of a ‘False Positive’ epidemic.”

No it doesn’t. Self-reporting as conclusive diagnosis in the middle of focused psychological warfare regarding sniffles and snuffles? Don’t be daft.

The only reliable data regarding a viral outbreak remains all-cause mortality – and we know the pattern of that.

322044 ▶▶▶ Bugle, replying to RickH, 3, #174 of 482 🔗

No rest even at Christmas.

322060 ▶▶▶ swedenborg, replying to RickH, 9, #175 of 482 🔗

We have already a GP syndromic surveillance system in place and importantly can compare to previous years. Zoe app is a hyped up reporting system relying on Apps which automatically would bias the reporting as elderly (which we are most interested in) use Apps less and not comparing with earlier years. And 80-90 percent of PCR testing for symptoms are PCR negative and must be some other virus.

322118 ▶▶▶ jonathan Palmer, replying to RickH, 5, #176 of 482 🔗

Everyone who had a cold or flu immediately thinks they gave ‘IT’
In absence of a reliable test we will never know.There has been an outbreak of mass hysteria caused by Government and media fear porn.As you say all cause mortality is not out of the ordinary this year

322041 ▶▶ Charlie Blue, replying to Mayo, 15, #177 of 482 🔗

Merry Christmas, Mayo. I really appreciate all your input here and your commitment to a truly sceptical approach.

Does the data from the app really debunk the false positives theory, I wonder, or just it just confirm that folks continue to feel bit under the weather for a multitude of reasons as they always have and always will?

322075 ▶▶ Silke David, replying to Mayo, 2, #178 of 482 🔗

The app offers you 23 symptoms.

Reasonable are about 4.

322076 ▶▶ JHUNTZ, replying to Mayo, 2, #179 of 482 🔗

Merry Christmas Mayo!

322047 Major Panic, 4, #180 of 482 🔗

looks like Tiffany Dover may have been kidnapped by the anti-vaxxers

322049 swedenborg, replying to swedenborg, 8, #181 of 482 🔗

https://twitter.com/BallouxFrancois/status/1342273491115118592

“Democracy rarely dies under the jackboots of tyrants with funny moustaches. Rather, democracy tends to die when societies start believing that the truth is getting in the way of the greater good.

It seems to his own invention. Brilliant. It was done after his comment on Fauci’s “ corrigé La vérité ” to achieve high immunisation of the population

https://twitter.com/BallouxFrancois/status/1342273491115118592

“Dr. Anthony Fauci has been slowly but deliberately moving the goal posts on when herd immunity is possible. He is doing so, he said, partly based on new science, and partly on his gut feeling that the U.S. is finally ready to hear what he really thinks.”

322051 ▶▶ swedenborg, replying to swedenborg, 7, #182 of 482 🔗

Fauci citation

322057 ▶▶▶ RickH, replying to swedenborg, 9, #183 of 482 🔗

Fauci is another who is deeply tied to the pharmaceutical industry.

322054 Bart Simpson, replying to Bart Simpson, 11, #184 of 482 🔗

Merry Christmas to all fellow Sceptics. Eat, drink, laugh and enjoy!

Found this thread from Zuby yesterday and it made me laugh:

https://twitter.com/ZubyMusic/status/1342169173192015872

Inspired by his post, here are my predictions of further tiers (some nicked from Zuby himself and other commenters):

Tier 5 – All human interaction will be banned to slow the spread of the virus

Tier 6 – All Zoom, Teams calls will be banned as it’s found that the virus can spread even via face to face calls

Tier 7 – All Facebook messaging, Whatsapp, Viber will be banned as new evidence shows that the virus can spread even via messaging functions

Tier 8 – Mandatory clapping for the NHS every Thursday at 6pm. First one to stop clapping will be shot

Tier 9 – Those who tested positive have to commit hara-kiri to stop the spread of the virus

Tier 10 – The bodies of those who committed hara kiri will be incinerated to stop the spread of the virus

Tier 11 – Cities will be evacuated and nuked to stop the spread of the virus

Tier 12 – Unauthorised breathing will be penalised

Tier 13 – Parts of the City of London and Canary Wharf will be demolished to make sure that everyone is following social distancing

Tier 14 – All libraries and archives will be banned as books and manuscripts have been shown to spread the virus

Tier 15 – Ritual purification every day mandatory

Tier 16 – Ritual purification every hour mandatory

Looking forward to any creative suggestions

322069 ▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Bart Simpson, 3, #185 of 482 🔗

Tier 17-all survivors take a personal and jointly liable Oath Of Loyalty to the new Chief Minister of The Commonhealth Of England, Sir Matt Wankok.

322078 ▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to karenovirus, 2, #186 of 482 🔗

🤣 🤣 🤣

322351 ▶▶▶ bebophaircut, replying to karenovirus, 1, #187 of 482 🔗

All Hail Sir Wankok!

322293 ▶▶ Waldorf, replying to Bart Simpson, 3, #188 of 482 🔗

Tier 18 – Cracking open each other’s skulls to feast on the goo inside.

322313 ▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to Waldorf, #189 of 482 🔗

🤣 🤣 🤣

322058 Cheezilla, 17, #190 of 482 🔗

Happy Christmas everyone. I hope you have a good day.

I’m about to set off to the biggest family Christmas gathering I’ve ever attended in my entire life.

Rather disappointingly, it will be perfectly legal!

322063 Jo Dominich, replying to Jo Dominich, 20, #191 of 482 🔗

Greetings and good cheer to everyone. I have in front of me a large sherry, going down very nicely. I am ready to resume fighting the good fight only with a vengeance now, double down treble escalation in leafletting!!

Merry Christmas. Let’s hope the New Year brings hope and the end of the Pig Dictator, Wancock, Witless, Unbalanced and Pantsdown!

322067 ▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Jo Dominich, 4, #192 of 482 🔗

There’s got to be a pantomime with cast like that.

322068 ▶▶▶ Jo Dominich, replying to karenovirus, 2, #193 of 482 🔗

I’ll get writing a little scene!

322083 ▶▶▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Jo Dominich, 2, #194 of 482 🔗

I look forward to it on Boxing Day.
Perhaps doormat can be Widow Wankey.
Hitting the Laphraoigh now.

322086 ▶▶▶ Fingerache Philip, replying to karenovirus, 1, #195 of 482 🔗

I hate pantomimes at the best of times.

322065 swedenborg, replying to swedenborg, 7, #197 of 482 🔗

https://www.mass.gov/doc/weekly-covid-19-vaccination-report-12-24-2020/download

Massachusetts. 61 % of C-19 deaths in long term care.

 Amazing .Only 2% of 35000 doses of vaccines so far have been given to over 70 years.

322145 ▶▶ Waldorf, replying to swedenborg, 3, #198 of 482 🔗

How odd. Considering that this is the age group almost universally regarded as most endangered by Covid, and those younger are far less in danger of death from it. Could it be that this is not really about saving Granny?

322249 ▶▶▶ swedenborg, replying to Waldorf, 2, #199 of 482 🔗

This is surprising. In Florida it’s rolled out to the elderly exclusively. The only logical would be to roll it out to all LongTerm Care Homes which must be a few millions in the US and then over 70. Prioritize the young HCW seems strange considering the initial problems in younger persons with more anaphylaxis than expected. But this massive roll out in all age groups is beneficial for Big Pharma as a more age restricted start might have scared more people.

I have not checked the links below but it seems not that generous pay out if something is going wrong in the US as the companies are not liable for anything.

“COVID Vaccine Injury, You are on your own
Countermeasures Injury Compensation Program (CICP) is administered within the Department of Health and Human Services (DHHS). It is much less generous than the National Vaccine Injury Compensation Program (VICP or NVICP)
You have to file a claim with the (CICP) Within one year of vaccination, run by DHHS which is also sponsoring the COVID-19 vaccination program. DHHS therefore essentially acts as the judge, jury and defendant.
First, everyone involved with getting the vaccine to you has had their liability waived under the PREP Act …
Keep in mind that if your employer mandates the vaccine, they will not be liable for side effects.
According to the experts CNBC spoke to, “claims would be routed through worker’s compensation programs and treated as an on-the-job injury.”
If you are injured by a pandemic vaccine, you cannot sue any of the parties involved in getting the vaccine to you.
CICP does not pay any of the costs associated with any claim, This means you’ll also be responsible for attorney fees and expert witness fees.
According to the CICP director, the maximum payout you can receive — even in cases of permanent disabilityor death — is $250,000 per person; however, you’d have to exhaust your private insurance policy before the CICP gives you a dime.
CICP will only pay the difference between what your insurance covers and the total payout amount establishedfor your case not to exceed $250,000.

The CICP also has a one year statute of limitations, so you have to be quick. This has been very tough on claimants, because most people are unaware the program exists, another big problem with claims for injuries from Covid vaccines: nobody knows exactly what the serious injuries are, nor how to identify them with certainty.

If you become injured after receiving a designated ‘countermeasure’ vaccine, do not anticipate that you will get help from the government nor from the manufacturers.
Please inform yourself of the benefits and risks beforehand.

https://articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2020/12/14/covid-19-vaccine-cicp.aspx

“The PREP Act and Covid-19: Limiting Liability for Medical Countermeasures”

https://crsreports.congress.gov/product/pdf/LSB/LSB10443

322070 John P, replying to John P, -5, #200 of 482 🔗

What moron was responsible for the new login policy? Rot in Hell.

322080 ▶▶ karenovirus, replying to John P, 3, #201 of 482 🔗

I’ve only ever logged on the once on joining, never had to since. Merry Christmas

322085 ▶▶▶ Fingerache Philip, replying to karenovirus, 1, #202 of 482 🔗

Only once in months.

322107 ▶▶▶▶ Smelly Melly, replying to Fingerache Philip, 1, #203 of 482 🔗

Ditto.

322115 ▶▶▶ jb12, replying to karenovirus, 2, #204 of 482 🔗

Yeah, pretty easy when you tick ‘stay logged in’ when logging in the first time.

322228 ▶▶ dhid, replying to John P, -4, #205 of 482 🔗

Get a life.

322371 ▶▶▶ dhid, replying to dhid, -1, #206 of 482 🔗

Well we still have idiots here – why down vote this? “John P” is clearly a disgruntled, bad tempered and selfish idiot!

I’m done with this place I think.

322072 Cedric the dragon, 10, #207 of 482 🔗

Feliz Natal to everyone at LS from us in Madeira. Thanks to Toby and everyone commenting here for support and much relevant information since March. I hope you all manage to have a good day.

322073 DThom, replying to DThom, 7, #208 of 482 🔗

Overhead notice seen on the A19 south this morning
“Border congestion Don’t Travel”
Have they closed the border with Yorkshire?!

322079 ▶▶ karenovirus, replying to DThom, 3, #209 of 482 🔗

“Indigestion Don’t Travel”

Might be more useful advice.

322074 John P, replying to John P, 4, #210 of 482 🔗

Not only myself, but also Kevin O’Sullivan and “iron” Mike Graham off the leash with the annual Thought Police awards:

https://twitter.com/thoughtpoliceTP/status/1341632159430356992

Particularly apt this morning when I find I now have to login to comment.

What the Hell was the point of that? Thanks for ruining my Christmas you turd.

322077 ▶▶ Julian, replying to John P, 4, #211 of 482 🔗

Making people log in to comment was I think to stop people being able to impersonate others when posting, which apparently had happened and was being done with intention to confuse and sow dissent – so while it’s a pain, I think the reasons behind it are sound

322082 ▶▶▶ Major Panic, replying to Julian, #212 of 482 🔗

and I cant blame my comments on imposters anymore

322088 ▶▶▶▶ John P, replying to Major Panic, #213 of 482 🔗

Well, at least nobody else can take credit for my posts.

322090 ▶▶▶▶▶ Major Panic, replying to John P, -4, #214 of 482 🔗

and mightily disappointed they’ll be

322097 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ John P, replying to Major Panic, -14, #215 of 482 🔗

Fuck off. Okay. Just fuck off you anonymous cretin.

You are so smug aren’t you? Typing away from your cave.

I hate you, whoever you are. I hate you.

322087 ▶▶▶ John P, replying to Julian, 5, #216 of 482 🔗

I know why it was done.

It was totally unnecessary. I’ve been posting here for months and have never been impersonated by anyone.

Why one earth would anyone do that?

This is giving way to control freaks and paranoia.

And for those who are always worried that the security services are watching them only serves to make it easier to identify people.

So again, thanks for that clown – whoever you were!

322128 ▶▶▶▶ Ian Rons, replying to John P, 3, #217 of 482 🔗

Yes, it was done to stop impersonation. I frankly don’t understand the hostility to this change. If you want anonymity, use Tor and sign up for a free email address with ProtonMail.

322225 ▶▶▶▶ dhid, replying to John P, -3, #218 of 482 🔗

I’ve been posting here for months and have never been impersonated by anyone.”

You know that for sure do you? You’ve looked at all the previous threads you posted on here have you?

Well I was, it was a PITA, and it turned out it was ridiculously easy to do and apparently a flaw in the comments code when just using a moniker linked to an email address, but not logged in, which could be changed to one (or more) that others were using.

No more information is collected in logs as far as I’m aware but just makes it more secure for users! Who would want more security for themselves? Duh!

You can also choose to stay logged in if you’re that bloody lazy!

Why you find logging in a problem I have no idea.

322370 ▶▶▶▶▶ dhid, replying to dhid, 1, #219 of 482 🔗

How childish down voting this.
Utter wankers!

322081 Fingerache Philip, replying to Fingerache Philip, 8, #220 of 482 🔗

I’m really close to the edge now.
Advise given to kids: make sure that you ensure that Santa has a safe Covid Christmas; leave out sherry, mince pies, carrots and hand sanitizer!!!

322094 ▶▶ mjr, replying to Fingerache Philip, 4, #221 of 482 🔗

reindeer dont eat carrots .. so even that part of the mantra is wrong .!!!

322150 ▶▶▶ Waldorf, replying to mjr, 1, #222 of 482 🔗

How did you get to know so much about carrots? Witch!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fYJZqJezjz4

322084 swedenborg, replying to swedenborg, 15, #223 of 482 🔗

Dr Birx’s fall.One of the leading in CDC response to the pandemic

Dr. Deborah Birx said she took her Thanksgiving jaunt to Delaware because her parents were so down in the dumps, they “stopped eating and drinking” — a justification ripped by people who said it was her coronavirus restrictions that prevented them from seeing their own dying loved ones.”

https://nypost.com/2020/12/23/dr-birx-trip-came-after-parents-stopped-eating-and-drinking/?utm_medium=SocialFlow&utm_campaign=SocialFlow&utm_source=NYPTwitter https://twitter.com/JordanSchachtel/status/1342168385115860995 Apart from the hyperbole “Shakespearean” a rather good take on this story
 “A tragedy of Shakespearean proportions: in the end, Birx was forced to break the rules she inflicted on the entirety of American society in order to save her parents’ lives. Still, she refuses to acknowledge her failures, which have torn apart millions of American families. Birx unintentionally exposed the true, horrific costs of the lockdowns she has relentlessly advocated for Deborah Birx *wrote the rules* that directly led to her parents falling into such a deep depression that they stopped eating. She also pleaded the American people not to travel on Thanksgiving day

322100 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to swedenborg, 4, #224 of 482 🔗

That article is grim reading. So many questions. One individual had a parent die with Covid marked in March, but still hasn’t buried them.

And if this is all a project fear type exercise why would she allow her family to suffer to such an extent:

““My daughter hasn’t left that house in 10 months, my parents have been isolated for 10 months. They’ve become deeply depressed,” Birx said of the need to “recover from the trauma of the last 10 months.””

So Birx can’t be in on it if there is an Agenda. Seems to point to convergent opportunism rather than full scale NWO plans.

322092 AN other lockdown sceptic, 11, #225 of 482 🔗

A very happy Christmas to Toby, the brilliant extended LS team and all fellow Lockdown Sceptics.

Thank you for helping to keep me sane since April 2020!

322093 John P, replying to John P, 4, #226 of 482 🔗

Anyway, I’m going over to my parents’ house later for Christmas dinner where I will see my sisters and their husbands and my niece.

In the meantime I’m going to be listening to my favorite guru and relaxation music on youtube to get me out of the foul mood that Captain Jackass on here has put me in with the new login policy.

I wished everyone on here a good Christmas a couple of days ago. (Happy is pushing it a bit in the circumstances).

But I have a special gift of two fingers to the moron who pushed for the new login policy.

I believe it is a person called Richard Head. (His friends call him Dick.)

322111 ▶▶ Tenchy, replying to John P, 1, #227 of 482 🔗

You can stay logged in across sessions (as you probably know), but for me the downside is that your login name is displayed at the top of the Comments section. Having said that, it is NOT now displayed at the top of the dialogue box as I type this comment. On balance, I’d say it was better as it was.

322120 ▶▶▶ John P, replying to Tenchy, 4, #228 of 482 🔗

Thank you. and no, I did not know that.

322127 ▶▶ Major Panic, replying to John P, 1, #229 of 482 🔗

I’m confused (normal), I’ve always had to be logged in to post

322099 Victoria, 6, #230 of 482 🔗

Are You Sacrificing That Which Matters Most?
“Of course, I’m not telling anyone what to do. I would encourage you, though, to ponder what matters.

Most people will agree that the most valuable moments in life are those spent with family and friends , especially elderly relatives whose days are already numbered. Those very moments that make life worth living are now being stolen — if we let them.

The question is, what value do we place on family, versus the risk of illness? As mentioned, Gates predicts social restrictions will need to stay in place for the next two years. Are you willing to give up three years of life for an illness that poses no greater threat to life than a bad flu season?

How about five years? Ten? In all likelihood, the SARS-CoV-2 virus is here to stay, just like the pandemic swine flu, which is now one of the many viruses we encounter in any given flu season. In 2009, the swine flu pandemic was touted as a grave threat, yet no panic has ensued in the years since, even though it’s still in circulation. Why is that? Why should SARS-CoV-2 be any different?

As noted by A.J. Kay in a recent Medium article, “If safety requires us to indefinitely forfeit the most valuable parts of our lives, what exactly are we trying to save?”

According to a report by the AARP and United Health Foundation, social distancing measures have led to an epidemic of loneliness, and this too has significant risks that should be included in the risk-benefit calculation as it increases mortality from every cause.

Public health researcher Kassandra Alcaraz recently told the American Psychological Association:

“Our research really shows that the magnitude of risk presented by social isolation is very similar in magnitude to that of obesity, smoking, lack of access to care and physical inactivity.”


https://articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2020/12/25/covid-christmas-rules.aspx

322102 Annie, 12, #231 of 482 🔗

Archzombie Jellybaby says Christmas hasn’t been cancelled.
As he has done his level best to cancel Christianity, I rather wonder what the old tosser understands by ‘Christmas’.

322103 John P, replying to John P, -16, #232 of 482 🔗

You know, if it was up to me, there would be no comment facility on this site at all.

It only upsets me a lot of the time. I woke up this morning having slept well. I was in a good mood and my mood is now miserable.

I come on here and all I get is abuse from a smug, anonymous troll.

I’m not afraid of the security services. I am, however, afraid of the anonymous posters who come here.

I’m fearful that I might upset one of them and the polis will be knocking on my door for having offended one of them in an unguarded moment.

I did once ask that Toby make it more difficult to comment, but, as I say, I would prefer it if the facility did not exist at all.

It’s not good for my mental health coming here.

It’s catch22. I have to come here for good information on the so-called “pandemic”. and I’m urged to comment by that friendly green popup that would just love to know my thoughts.

Well, as I say, I intend to try to repair my – thanks to this site and that troll – damaged Christmas. Thankfully, perhaps I don’t drink. I do still get stressed though.

I think, as I’ve said before, it’s the British psyche. I just don’t like my countrymen and women on the whole. I prefer Americans and Russians. (No, that’s not a joke).

322108 ▶▶ Annie, replying to John P, 7, #233 of 482 🔗

If coming here is bad for your mental health, why do you come here?

322109 ▶▶▶ John P, replying to Annie, -5, #234 of 482 🔗

That’s a very good question Annie.

I have tried to explain though. I have to come to this site for reliable information on the situation, and I’m often in a neutral mood.

Then that green popup appears and I feel urged to comment. Then I end up getting upset a lot of the time.

Sometimes I like to write though, but what good it does is very much open to question.

People have their own views and I seem unable to get a lot of them to undestand mine.

Sometimes I think it helps to let off steam. Just now I’m not so sure.

I really do not like a lot of the people who post here.

You are one of the exceptions to that for me.

You seem one of the most balanced people here.

I generally try not to make personal comments. If I say something angrily then I try not to direct it to a particular individual.

I have before said “don’t take me personally” but people do not listen!

322112 ▶▶▶▶ John P, replying to John P, -5, #235 of 482 🔗

If someone says something nasty to me (and some do) I generally also feel that I must stay. Their nastiness is a way to silence me. It’s a way to oppress and shut me up. I feel very strongly that I must not allow other people to silence me.

I am actually a very quiet person. I live alone. Even at school I was regarded as “quiet”. I was an extremely shy teenager. I never really got over it. But I am strongly opinionated.

322136 ▶▶▶▶ Annie, replying to John P, 2, #236 of 482 🔗

To tell the truth, you thrive on argument.
It’s the healthiest state of mind for a human. Ask Socrates.
Not the safest, only the healthiest. It wasn’t very safe for Socrates. People said nasty things about him, e.g. that he was a corrupter of youth, meaning that he taught young men how to think. A dangerous game.
Don’t drink hemlock if it’s offered by Pfizer.

322179 ▶▶▶▶ jonathan Palmer, replying to John P, 9, #237 of 482 🔗

Are you the same John P who called anyone who believes in a conspiracy a moron and idiot?
I would prefer if we engage in reasonable debate;that way we can all learn something from each other and also see flaws in our own arguments.
We are not friends on here but are all united in opposition to the policies of the government,whatever we believe is the reasoning behind them.
Merry Christmas

322373 ▶▶▶▶▶ bebophaircut, replying to jonathan Palmer, #238 of 482 🔗

Well said.

322114 ▶▶ jb12, replying to John P, 7, #240 of 482 🔗

So because you can’t stay away, none of us should be able to talk to each other?

322117 ▶▶▶ John P, replying to jb12, 4, #241 of 482 🔗

I’ve just told you how I feel. Don’t judge me.

And this is just my opinion.

And don’t worry, it won’t be me pulling this site. I believe in free speech.

322119 ▶▶ John P, replying to John P, -8, #242 of 482 🔗

Such nice people the British, aren’t they?

322226 ▶▶▶ Edmund Mortimer, replying to John P, 3, #243 of 482 🔗

Well we are actually. I assume you live in Britain, don’t you? You are living in one of the most tolerant and friendly countries in the world. A country where harsh words and strong disagreement is not taken as fighting talk in general. Where people of different races get on quite well and don’t separate themselves into ghettos, by and large. Where publicly expressed hatred and disdain for different views is universal in the media (Brexit versus remain, etc.) but doesn’t translate into hostility on the street. Sure, there are exceptions. But British people are quite nice.

322290 ▶▶▶▶ Waldorf, replying to Edmund Mortimer, 3, #244 of 482 🔗

I find generalisations about people and places misleading and potentially dangerous. Before 2020 I wouldn’t have guessed there were so many curtain-twitching informer types in the British Isles as there have turned out to be. The types who ring the cops because the people at No.34 had friends over and perhaps social distancing wasn’t observed. Gasp! Horror!
I think many Brits will put up with more sh£t from their government than many peoples would and Boris Johnson is enjoying himself by testing the limits. Will he and they go too far? We will see…

322125 ▶▶ RickH, replying to John P, 14, #245 of 482 🔗

I’m not afraid of the security services. I am, however, afraid of the anonymous posters who come here.”

In which case, John, you are letting your perceptions get entirely out of proportion. You can, after all, just ignore the comments section : you don’t have to go anywhere near it in order to pick up most of the information, although you might miss out on some of the data posts.

If your Christmas is ‘damaged’ by anything here, then it is a result of your choice to let it be so. I hope you can repair it quickly by getting things in proportion again.

322130 ▶▶ Major Panic, replying to John P, 3, #246 of 482 🔗

just don’t give a shit what faceless strangers think or say – it matters not. I’m an opinionated twat yet I’ve got plenty of good friends who let on they like me. say what you think and don’t worry if others think different, I’m even happy to be persuaded with good argument. I cant be ‘trolled’ or ‘hated’ cos I couldn’t give a flying fuck…

322142 ▶▶▶ Major Panic, replying to Major Panic, #247 of 482 🔗

well the records will show I don’t down-vote people – i leave that to ‘others’

322227 ▶▶▶▶ Edmund Mortimer, replying to Major Panic, #248 of 482 🔗

Down vote me if you like. It’s not personal. It’s just a way of saying you dislike or disagree with a comment.

322104 Smelly Melly, replying to Smelly Melly, 17, #249 of 482 🔗

Just in, but I understand that the global number of covid deaths has just passed the shocking 0.02% of the worlds population.

Also I think I should stop using my computer as computers get viruses and I don’t want to catch anything off it. (I’m typing this message using a 2m stick whilst fully masked and aproned).

322146 ▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to Smelly Melly, 1, #250 of 482 🔗

Don’t forget to disinfect it regularly. It’ll stop working altogether, but at least it’ll be virus-free.

322152 ▶▶ Waldorf, replying to Smelly Melly, 3, #251 of 482 🔗

So two dead in every ten thousand? What an appalling contagion…

322169 ▶▶▶ George L, replying to Waldorf, 2, #252 of 482 🔗

Yeah.. and they were in their 90’s

322187 ▶▶▶▶ Waldorf, replying to George L, 1, #253 of 482 🔗

Well, it’s obvious we need to create Prison Planet for the other 9,998/10,000…

322105 Matt The Cat, replying to Matt The Cat, 21, #254 of 482 🔗

I’m wishing everyone a peaceful Christmas this year, as any “happiness” or “merriment” has been banned by the dictatorship.

Suicide and domestic violence rates are going to skyrocket over this yuletide, which will please our oppressors – conveniently of course, these facts won’t be apparent in statistics until Autumn next year.

Just had another blazing row with my mother on the phone during my “Xmas wishes” call, the stupid, brainwashed old hag. Could hear “Pater” tut-tutting in the background too. They say you become what you hate – and he’s become a bedwetting poofter.

I don’t hate my parents. To hate them might mean BECOMING them. I just pity them to the point of despair. I shall expend no more energy on trying to wake them up during 2021 or beyond.

Twenty years ago – to their credit – neither of them would have stood still for this bullshit.
Mum was no-nonsense and didn’t suffer fools, Dad was a strong, active man who had no time for snowflakes. Yet here they are in 2020, transformed beyond all recognition, eking out their “living deaths”.

How the mighty have fallen, eh?

Well, I say fuck them. My weekly phone calls to them are going to become fortnightly(ish) from 2021 onwards. You can’t reason with idiots.

Just before I sign off, I’d just like to say that the log-in stipulation is probably for the best. It was only a matter of time before the 77th turned their guns on us, we ‘d done well to avoid their “undivided attention” for as long as we did. The clues were there, Toby obviously noticed them. This will make it a lot harder for them to disrupt the forum, thankfully.

All the best everyone. Off now to try and make the best of things …. Enjoy!

322204 ▶▶ JamesDrebin, replying to Matt The Cat, 2, #255 of 482 🔗

77th have a few accounts constantly playing mind games over on the forums. Needing to log in is not a barrier, I think it was just (rightly) turned on here because of the propensity for spoofing usernames. 🙂

322219 ▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to Matt The Cat, 6, #256 of 482 🔗

I feel for you as I’m done with my family for awhile now. Trying to reason with my own family is trying to get blood out of a stone and like you I don’t think they would have stood for this nonsense twenty years ago.

Didn’t even bother to call them this time, last year was such a palaver and one of my sisters didn’t even bother to answer even if her anti-social media account was showing that she was online.

Wishing you a Merry Christmas and all of us sceptics should stick together and support each other.

322106 Annie, replying to Annie, 49, #257 of 482 🔗

I fixed this ditty to the gate of our Covidian Temple this morning. Don’t suppose many zombies saw it before it was ripped down, but it made me feel better:

SONG FOR MEMBERS OF

THE COWARD COVIDIAN CULT OF LIVING DEATH

TO BE MUMBLED THROUGH FACE KNICKERS.

HUMMING AND SINGING ARE PUNISHABLE BY DEATH.

See the zombie cowards come,
Knickered faces, voices dumb,
See them cringe and keep apart,
Blank, dead eyes and stony heart.
See how they kow-tow to evil,
Worshipping the Covid devil,
Gibbering in selfish fear,
Will not let a human near:
See the zombie cowards come,
Knickered faces, voices dumb.

Wear face knickers, it’s the law:
Where have we heard that before?
Grovel to the tyrant’s word,
Let no truth be ever heard.
Gas the Jews, it is the law,
Chop the head off Thomas More!
On real faces vent your spite,
Shrink from honesty and light.
See the zombie cowards come,
Knickered faces, voices dumb.

Christ, by highest heaven adored,
Christ, the everlasting lord,
Long ago you all denied.
All the faith within you died.
Shrivelled is your coward soul,
Lost to keep your body whole.
Can it ever have been true,
Jesus gave his life for you?
See the zombie cowards come,
Knickered faces, voices dumb.

322116 ▶▶ GiftWrappedKittyCat, replying to Annie, 4, #258 of 482 🔗

Brilliant. Well done Annie.

322161 ▶▶ DomW, replying to Annie, 7, #259 of 482 🔗

That is just awesome! I sang it out as loud as I could, including the “descant” third verse tune. I hope my neighbours heard every word 🙂

Happy Christmas Annie, and thank you for all the marvellous literature you have composed for us this year

322233 ▶▶ Cheshirecatslave, replying to Annie, 3, #260 of 482 🔗

I love it!

322385 ▶▶ DomW, replying to Annie, 1, #261 of 482 🔗

Annie, would it be ok to share this ? I sang it during Xmas get together and a couple of the people there asked if they could have the words.Wanted to check with you first.

322110 rockoman, 4, #262 of 482 🔗

In the following video Denis Rancourt discusses his paper where he shows that the spikes in death rates in several jurisdictions in March and April can be much more logically attributed to government intervention than to any especially virulent virus – ie typical failures of central planning.

I highly recommend – about 42 minutes.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fublYhEc_Xo&feature=emb_logo

322113 Tenchy, 16, #263 of 482 🔗

Happy Christmas to Toby and the team, and thanks for providing this facility to help keep us in sound mind! Best wishes to everyone else reading the comments here! I’m sure 2021 will see big improvements to our current predicament. Here’s hoping.

322122 John P, replying to John P, 4, #264 of 482 🔗

If someone says something nasty to me (and some do) I generally also feel that I must stay.

Their nastiness is a way to silence me. It’s a way to oppress and shut me up.

I feel very strongly that I must not allow other people to silence me.

So for those who do not like my comments, the best way to be rid of me is not to sneer and “downvote” my comments or make personal remarks.

In the meantime I hope to goodness I can find a way off these threads. Posting here is a drug. And like all addictions it’s bad for your health.

322123 ▶▶ V, replying to John P, 5, #265 of 482 🔗

Grow a pair buttercup.

322126 ▶▶ PatrickF, replying to John P, 6, #266 of 482 🔗

Happy Xmas John P.

322132 ▶▶ Liz F, replying to John P, 11, #267 of 482 🔗

Keep posting John. We’re all adults on here so we should be able to tolerate reading opinions that differ from our own. Life’s not just about upticks and downticks. Happy Christmas!

322141 ▶▶ Julian, replying to John P, 6, #268 of 482 🔗

I’m generally not a fan of downvoting. If you don’t like something or disagree with, ignore it or tell the poster why you disagree, constructively.

I don’t think many here are trying to silence you, but some might

Easier said than done, but I would try not to worry about it too much

322149 ▶▶ Freddy Boy, replying to John P, 6, #269 of 482 🔗

Stay loose John , it’s easy to imagine all sorts of things when you are on your own , you are better off on here despite your misgivings , you would be surprised at the amount of goodwill you would recieve if we all get to meet up at a convenient time & place in the near future , Merry Christmas 🎄 🎅 👍

322168 ▶▶ George L, replying to John P, 1, #270 of 482 🔗

Are you by any chance trying to get noticed?

Whatever.. stay in the compassionate zone of humanity amongst those who seek justice and truth. Its always far easier to side with the mass than stand alone with your truth..

322229 ▶▶ Edmund Mortimer, replying to John P, 2, #271 of 482 🔗

Sneering and sarcasm are bad. That’s true. But we should all feel free to downvote comments we disagree with. And I will downvote anyone who tries to create bad feeling, like the chap who kept calling people slaves.

322254 ▶▶ james007, replying to John P, 2, #272 of 482 🔗

I think your contributions are interesting and well worth reading.
You are right that it is good to moderate posting, as well as using social media.
It is important to do other things too.

322124 Country Mumkin, 7, #273 of 482 🔗

Merry Christmas everyone. Hope you’re having a good day and are as well and happy as you can be.

Warning: If you don’t want to be angry, do not look at this link.

It’s the WEF telling us how great China will be as an economy and how crushed we will be. And on Christmas Day. It’s a bloody war in my mind and I’m really not sure how to fight it.

https://mobile.twitter.com/wef/status/1342447541607133190

322131 Hieronimusb, 13, #274 of 482 🔗

Happy Christmas to all as we bear up under the (new) strain, even if it’s a turkey. And not forgetting the brussels sprouts, of course. We will endure with fortitude and sooner or later we will overcome, the evidence is on our side! Halfcock the Smug and his cheerless charlatans may do their worst but, verily, their days are numbered and their goose will be cooked, or rather burnt to ashes, in the fires of eternal damnation.

322135 davews, 4, #275 of 482 🔗

Just back up here after a lovely Christmas lunch, pity I couldn’t invite a friend to join me but that is life. Trying to forget about the virus for a few hours.

Zoom Christmas church service this morning, just about to join our family one then hope to get a walk in the woods before it gets dark.

I am not sure if the enforced login is just over the festivities while there are presumably fewer moderators around. Whatever, it must be the right way to do things, very few forums are free for all that this one was, and having sorted out a password to go with my existing username it seems to do the job.

322137 John P, replying to John P, 20, #276 of 482 🔗

I’ve just had a pleasant conversation with a nice lady from the Samaritans. I haven’t spoken to them for over a year. It was because of the exchanges on here today that I phoned.

Earlier, I was so upset with one poster that my hands were shaking uncontrollably with emotion as I was writing, responding to a mean remark directed at me by “Major Panic”.

I can’t handle it.

And I don’t know who was responsible for the new login policy, but as I said, I don’t like it.

My comments were addressed to whoever was responsible for it, but I don’t bear grudges.

This is not good for Christmas Day.

You may think you know me, but you really don’t.

I’m going to try to make this my last posting here. I just do not feel comfortable and many of the people here I do not like, though, I repeat, I do not bear grudges.

So I will again wish a good Christmas to those who are receptive to my comments. I have tried not to be boring or predictable. And I’ve tried to be honest.

I seem so have positive feelings towards Annie and Julian in particular and Philip of the tired fingers. There are many other good people here as well as the nasty ones.

PS: I’m not going to come back to read any responses to this comment, for fear that some will write snide remarks.

All the best.

322138 ▶▶ Annie, replying to John P, 16, #277 of 482 🔗

To all sceptics: no snide remarks, please, it’s Christmas!

322147 ▶▶ chaos, replying to John P, 8, #278 of 482 🔗

Hard to know if you really are down or not. People can be wicked on the net. I think of suicide a lot of the time. But I share some of your opinions. Not others. I don’t think we ever went to the moon. In fact I know we didn’t. Others will say I am insane for believing this. Your position is often no wackier than Toby’s. So.. don’t go.

322163 ▶▶▶ George L, replying to chaos, 1, #279 of 482 🔗

We certainly didn’t go to the moon.. Van Allen Belt radiation puts a stop to getting past earths low orbit.

322167 ▶▶ mikewaite, replying to John P, 6, #280 of 482 🔗

John
If you are not going to read the comments again then you will not see this, which would be a shame because your posts, especially your professional definition of a vaccine, have given me useful additional ammunition for when I am frogmarched to a vaccination centre, against my will and against all reason.
Yours in friendship . Michael

322139 chaos, replying to chaos, 9, #281 of 482 🔗

I’ve just started watching Scrooged. Classic. Bill Murray. It occured to me that a lot of family Christmas films have the premise of something bad/evil attempting to mess up Christmas. Ultimately the plot to ruin Christmas fails because a hero with the help of others fight back and saves the day. Die Hard. Scrooged. Home Alone. Gremlins. Grinch..

Yet our leaders and the greedy bastards that puppet them i.e. Gates have ruined Christmas in reality more than any of the villains or monsters in these fictional stories.

322178 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to chaos, 3, #282 of 482 🔗

It’s based on what we call archetypes and they are throughout all story telling in human history. EVERY Disney movie for example involves a fallen one, enduring some childhood trauma (very often a parent dying or being taken away, see Bambi, Frozen, Dumbo). They carry this weight, spend time in the wildnernes (like Jesus) and gain righteous avengence through struggle

322140 Old Bill, replying to Old Bill, 16, #283 of 482 🔗

I just read an interview with Richard Tice, the Chairman of the Farage led Brexit party (that wants to be the Reform Party, but the electoral commission has just ignored them so far re the name change). This is what he says about Covid:

On Covid, he praises the Government for having ‘taken a punt’ on purchasing large quantities of vaccines before they came to fruition and for the Nightingale Hospitals project, which he said benefited from the Army and private sector project managers who had been resisted by senior managers in the NHS.

But he is ultra-scornful of the handling of the test and trace system, branding it ‘a catastrophically, monstrously wasteful scandal’

And that is all. Nothing whatsoever about the fact that the whole thing is a giant stinking lie, so if you are pinning your hopes on Farage and co to dig you out of the Covid hole, you might as well forget it.

I’m not wishing anyone a Merry Christmas as there is nothing to be merry about.

322153 ▶▶ TC, replying to Old Bill, 5, #284 of 482 🔗

I hope some politician manages to break ranks and take a contrarian, sceptic stand because there will be little traction gained otherwise.
We have no organised resistance or should I say “Resistance”, with a capital R to form around.
Without that meaningful acheiving scepticism will be delayed.
I had hoped Farage would emerge again after Brexit deal was done and challenge the current orthodoxy but maybe we will wait longer.
Any LS members in the consituencies of Sir Graham Brady or Sir Charles Walker,maybe nows the time to email them with Parliament recalled for 30 December?
Stay sane ina mad,mad world.

322162 ▶▶▶ George L, replying to TC, 6, #285 of 482 🔗

I’ve watched Farage many times. He talks a good talk, but there it ends. He, like all of us knows this covid plandemic is nothing but a humongous lie, but will never say it. Farage is controlled opposition, and he’s not alone. None of them have the guts to call it like it is..

322200 ▶▶▶▶ Waldorf, replying to George L, 3, #286 of 482 🔗

Farage is basically a right-wing Tory in exile. No real alternative politics.

322165 ▶▶▶ Old Bill, replying to TC, 4, #287 of 482 🔗

Certainly a new party is what we need soon. If Farage isn’t it then maybe Laurence Fox’s ‘Reclaim’ party might be, although I caution that I have not read his views on the Corona fantasy, so I can’t be sure here. His party is more of a free speech anti woke/cancel culture platform.

In all honesty I doubt that, in the present climate, any political party can stand up and give out an anti lockdown message. First the message itself would be branded as false information and expunged, and second the damage such a message would do to anyone’s political reputation would be incalculable. The number of people that are not following the government lies right now is so small that it wouldn’t amount to a single MP in any election. I have no doubt that will change eventually but not until Boris and the gang declare the war over and people begin to think about what has happened and why. This is one of several reasons why it is not in Boris’ interests to do that for a long time to come.

322185 ▶▶▶▶ jonathan Palmer, replying to Old Bill, 5, #288 of 482 🔗

Laurence Fox is very encouraging on lockdown.I wouldn’t trust Farage but he will make an appearance if a genuine opposition forms,either to divide or lead it up a blind alley again.

322202 ▶▶▶▶ Waldorf, replying to Old Bill, 2, #289 of 482 🔗

I think an anti-lockdown or at least a fewer restrictions stance might gain traction in the near future, possibly even electoral traction. Enough people have been economically hurt by it.

322156 ▶▶ RickH, replying to Old Bill, 1, #290 of 482 🔗

The jumbled illogic of the ‘Reform Party’ is a natural corollary of its origins and essential rag-bag of incoherence. Nothing new.

322143 chaos, replying to chaos, 4, #291 of 482 🔗

A few years back, random callers got managers of fast food outlets to detain and strip (and worse) teenage girl ermployees. Why did the managers do it? Compliance. Why did the girls strip? Compliance.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Strip_search_phone_call_scam

322193 ▶▶ Waldorf, replying to chaos, 4, #292 of 482 🔗

The Wikipedia article also links to the Milgram experiment. I would be surprised if the caller always got compliance but often he did. Unfortunately most people bow to supposed authority. We see this now.
Before WW1 in Germany a con man rented an army captain’s uniform and had his own little party before being caught. It said much about the status of the army in Germany, especially Prussia.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wilhelm_Voigt

322144 Joseph, 36, #293 of 482 🔗

Have really pushed the boat out for Christmas this year; not usually one to buy into it all, but in an act of defiance to the pathetic diktats – off the back of a year of fearmongering, oppression and information warfare.

Been a lovely day. Carol service on the TV this morning was lovely, loads of great gifts exchanged, screwdrivers and beers aplenty being consumed, an enjoyable walk in which we saw many families on the way, everyone greeting eachother with cordial Christmas greetings, not one mask in sight.

And Christmas dinner smells filling my home now.

The sun is shining here, blue skies and crisp air. You can’t lock nature down. Will be continuing this spirit into the new year, come what may and no matter what is thrown at humanity. Humanity always prevails in the end, and we’re all stronger in spite of it.

Best of wishes to everyone!

322148 BJJ, 16, #294 of 482 🔗

There is every reason to be optimistic. Truth has a tendency to prevail, but I fear the collateral damage will take years to mend. It is now a question of time. Merry Christmas

322154 chaos, replying to chaos, 15, #295 of 482 🔗

24 out oif 10,000 lorry drivers test positive….

Hmmm….. rubs chin…. hmmmmmmmm……

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ee9xdnAjejA

322157 ▶▶ mjr, replying to chaos, 7, #296 of 482 🔗

we are all going to die!!!!!

322176 ▶▶▶ Fingerache Philip, replying to mjr, 1, #297 of 482 🔗

Of course we are!

322206 ▶▶ PatrickF, replying to chaos, 2, #298 of 482 🔗

Positively pissed off.

322222 ▶▶ crimsonpirate, replying to chaos, 2, #299 of 482 🔗

that’s lateral flow for you. If they wanted more postives they would have used PCR.

322155 swedenborg, replying to swedenborg, 6, #300 of 482 🔗

https://www.aier.org/article/oxfords-stringency-index-is-falling-apart/
A very good detailed article demolishing our belief in the Oxford’s team Our World in Data stringency index. Many have used this index and comparing outcomes. “Most metrics in the Blavatnik School ranking don’t measure what thoughtful observers look for: they are clearly not nuanced enough or spaced enough to capture the differences between countries or reflect what any normal person would mean by “lockdowns” or government mandates. Their researchers seem to interpret statements and press releases a little arbitrarily (sometimes from English-speaking sources only, and two or three steps removed), and they use the strictest policy in any region as a stand-in for the entire country.” “The benefit of trusting a third-party assessor for ranking policy responses ‒ like we do for the human development index , democracy index or economic freedom index ‒ is t hat the researcher using the numbers took no part in creating it. One hopes that those creating it did so with no obvious ulterior motive for how it would be used. The drawback is that you’re trusting the interpretative judgment to a third-party observer. That’s fine if that judgment is balanced and accurate, disastrous if it’s not.” “In the spring, when the ranking roughly seemed to reflect what was happening in various countries, nobody objected to it ‒ or even looked under its hood. Now, after its strange rewriting of history and poor use of the Nordic countries show very misleading stories, nobody should trust it without looking at the details.”

322159 ▶▶ RickH, replying to swedenborg, 3, #301 of 482 🔗

An interesting re-analysis. I’ve always had a question mark hanging over their aggregation of a varying quality of data into a single index.

322308 ▶▶▶ Tom in Scotland, replying to RickH, #302 of 482 🔗

Yes, there are big problems with this kind of index. I see them a lot in the social sciences and have always been sceptical of having too much faith in them.

322158 George Mc, replying to George Mc, 17, #303 of 482 🔗

Bylinetmes really is the most noxious spreader of covid propaganda with a Leftist veneer. I had intended to do an in-depth study of the following article but found the first half so vile that, for the sake of my own sanity, I had to stop.

https://bylinetimes.com/2020/12/24/byline-times-christmas-cheer-reasons-to-stay-hopeful/

Merely consider these two items on their list:

‘Five: Communities Took Back Control’

This looks like a sadistic joke:

‘Hyperlocal, local, regional and municipal initiatives and enterprises have proven themselves to be much more effective than the lumbering outsourced private companies over track and trace

i.e. we are determining ‘control’ in terms of what is most effective for mass surveillance. And note that constantly exploited zoning in on Leftist rhetoric with ‘lumbering outsourced private companies’. But if we are talking about non-invasive tactics, communities were in fact locked down, masked and told to stay away from each other.

‘Six: Lives Mattered More’

‘Just as the Coronavirus crisis put our humanity on the line, the heroes of the moment became health workers, care workers, cleaners, transport staff, delivery drivers and many more.’

Ah yes, the virus suddenly caused a turnaround to all that soulless privatisation and caused an explosion of pure human empathy where we were all inspired to rush into each other’s arms – only to stop as we were reminded to socially distance!

‘… this was the first pandemic in which lives were put above the economy and most of the population were willing to suffer some material disadvantage in order to protect the health of the less advantaged and vulnerable.’

No, ‘most of the population’ suffered ‘some material disadvantage’ and stayed indoors and away from each other because they were told to do so.

This endlessly repeated mantra of ‘people before profits’ is the central prop of the deception. In reality: everyone was relentlessly intimidated and indeed terrorised by constant hysteria mongering, ordered to wear masks, ordered to stay apart, deprived not only of their jobs but of all regular activity and- perhaps worst of all – derived of medical services for actual real conditions.

And a preview of coming attractions:

‘This could see a shift of behaviour when we come to face that other deadly and more permanent threat to our future – climate change. With Johnson joining Joe Biden in apparently supporting green investment, the first green shoots of a remaking of policy and politics are there.’

Every time these media hacks trot out the ‘we’ it becomes more pathetically obvious that they mean ‘they’ assuming the mantle of a phony populism.

322171 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to George Mc, 5, #304 of 482 🔗

I suppose you can say a lot of those things are true in a microcosm of what we’ve seen this year. But when you add in the monumental costs, which they don’t even attempt to contemplate in any meaningful way (as if they were inevitable in these “unprecedented” times), whether lockdowns work to their intended purpose and the overall context of SARS-CoV-2 in relation to flu epidemics.

The idea that PCR is driving a pseudo epidemic would be so far from their thoughts that it would be earth shattering stuff for them to even engage in it.

322210 ▶▶▶ George Mc, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 4, #305 of 482 🔗

‘But when you add in the monumental costs’

https://www.weforum.org/agenda/2020/12/post-war-economic-recovery-covid19/

‘The pandemic’s impact on major economies has been four times worse than that of the 2008 global financial crisis.’

This suggests a financial coup four times the size of the 2008 banker’s crisis but done much more covertly as a ‘health emergency’.

322173 ▶▶ mjr, replying to George Mc, 1, #306 of 482 🔗

or maybe the f key doesnt work on their keyboards. Might be a crumb of digestive biscuit stuck underneath

322379 ▶▶▶ bebophaircut, replying to mjr, #307 of 482 🔗
322160 Tenchy, replying to Tenchy, 6, #308 of 482 🔗

How’s this for impartial reporting from the BBC:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-55435942

Quote: While the haggling continues on Capitol Hill, the president is spending Christmas at his resort in Palm Beach, Florida. A White House memo said he was working “tirelessly” with “many meetings and calls”, though he was spotted at his golf course on Thursday morning.

322172 ▶▶ RickH, replying to Tenchy, -2, #309 of 482 🔗

Nothing much there that isn’t factual, for once, – sad tho’ this might be for those who regard Trump as some sort of saint.

322181 ▶▶▶ OKUK, replying to RickH, 29, #310 of 482 🔗

Such comments are made not because we think Trump should be treated as a saint. It’s because the BBC and other MSM do treat Lyin’ Biden, Shahada Ring Obama, Assailant Bill, Corrupt Hillary, Permanently Pissed Pelosi and all the rest as Saints.

322380 ▶▶▶▶ bebophaircut, replying to OKUK, #311 of 482 🔗

Nazi Nancy Pelosi.

322386 ▶▶▶ bebophaircut, replying to RickH, #312 of 482 🔗

Boris is a mutant strain. Give him a jab.

322164 mjr, replying to mjr, 42, #313 of 482 🔗

well, the Queens speech is 100% covid. lots of masks, lot of blank stares through windows and a f*cking choir of NHS employees all in uniform so we know they are NHS heroes standing in a cuhurch singing “joy to the world” Amazing how quickly the NHS can make you ill I feel like vomitting
a long time ago before the NHS became a religion, wasnt there a rule that medical uniforms should not be worn outside of hospitals so as to minimise the risk of bringing an infection into the wards.

322170 ▶▶ RickH, replying to mjr, 29, #314 of 482 🔗

before the NHS became a religion”

This elevation of the NHS to the status of a church has been part of the cynical propaganda strategy of the government, aided and abetted by politicized senior management.

322175 ▶▶ mjr, replying to mjr, 5, #315 of 482 🔗

the channel 4 alternative queen’s speech (15.20) for once is brilliantly funny and scarily realistic . and for a change for C4 not the usual woke shite they usually put out

322199 ▶▶ JASA, replying to mjr, 2, #316 of 482 🔗

or from the wards to other places.

322208 ▶▶ davews, replying to mjr, 7, #317 of 482 🔗

Queen’s speech was exactly how I thought it would be. She obviously had to follow the official line even though she probably also feels it is a load of nonsense. I felt I had to watch it as ‘my duty’ but it was probably the least enjoyable one I have seen for years.

322235 ▶▶▶ jb12, replying to davews, 3, #318 of 482 🔗

The queen is as parasitical as her whole line – fuck her.

322245 ▶▶▶▶ mjr, replying to jb12, #319 of 482 🔗

and replace her as head of state with what? a president ? from the current political classes. ?

322282 ▶▶▶▶▶ jb12, replying to mjr, #320 of 482 🔗

The Queen isn’t even head of her own household. We live in a plutocracy, any other assertion is misguided, wrong or a distraction.

322508 ▶▶▶▶▶ Jez Hewitt, replying to mjr, #321 of 482 🔗

She’s hardly looking out for her subjects’ interests is she? All that tear wiping every 11th November – she can hang with the rest of them.

322236 ▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to mjr, 7, #322 of 482 🔗

I was underwhlemed sadly and had to resort to listening to the rest of it rather than watching as the masks, social distancing and the NHS was rendering it unwatchable.

Her Majesty mentions Christ but part of what I’ve seen makes no mistake that the NHS has become our new State Religion.

Her father’s 1939 Christmas broadcast struck a better note and was much more hopeful especially when he quoted from that poem in the end:

‘I said to the man who stood at the Gate of the Year,
“Give me a light that I may tread safely into the unknown.”
And he replied, “Go out into the darkness, and put your hand into the Hand of God.
That shall be to you better than light, and safer than a known way.”‘

322166 George Mc, replying to George Mc, 7, #323 of 482 🔗

There is only one way to control my anger when surveying tawdry manipulative sites like Bylinetimes and that is to acknowledge that the covid talk is only a cover and that these hack writers either know it themselves or are being directed by those who know it. This is clearly a huge restructuring project which would be totally unacceptable to the vast majority if it was done openly and honestly. This is why it has to be effected under the cover of this staged pandemic whose rhetoric must be maintained all the way no matter how obviously deceptive it is to how many people. The covid talk it a kind of lingua franca that has to be dogmatically enforced by an unspoken acquiescence where vast numbers don’t believe a word of it but know they must keep all their statements within its realm.

322221 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to George Mc, 1, #324 of 482 🔗

Many journalists are very much aware that singular issues are not important. It’s about winning power for their ilk. So if it is politically advantageous to push a certain narrative, then you do it with calculated intention.

322174 winter, 38, #325 of 482 🔗

I seldom post, but always read. Have a sane Christmas everyone. Keep buggering on!

322177 rockoman, replying to rockoman, 15, #326 of 482 🔗
322184 ▶▶ OKUK, replying to rockoman, 7, #327 of 482 🔗

Good article on Gateway Pundit giving chapter and verse on how WHO and Tedros deliberately spread falsehoods about the IFR, claiming it was 3.4% when they knew that was an absurdly huge overestimate.

322190 ▶▶▶ RickH, replying to OKUK, 4, #328 of 482 🔗

Even if they didn’t know it, previous experience would have indicated that it would be a massive overestimate as data came in.

The serious issue is that anyone working at that level would have to be either blindingly incompetent or venal not to understand the simple probablilities.

Either explanation is a disqualification for office.

322218 ▶▶▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to RickH, 3, #329 of 482 🔗

They’ve been gagging for something like this. All bias was deployed to make it appear as lethal as they needed it to be.

322387 ▶▶▶▶▶ bebophaircut, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 1, #330 of 482 🔗

This Scamdemic is complete Big Brother Bullshit. Every bit of it.

322336 ▶▶▶ swedenborg, replying to OKUK, 2, #331 of 482 🔗

They did the same thing in the Swine flu pandemic 2009 when the Mexican hospitals were full and the first CFR was 2-3 %.At that time there were still sane persons in public health in charge explaining things correctly and the attempt of Big Pharma to take over the total response was defeated. 11 years of constant moneyflow,directly or indirectly, has now paid off (is it 28 or 29 in the SAGE group receiving money from them?)

322279 ▶▶ Waldorf, replying to rockoman, 2, #332 of 482 🔗

It does seem that the more people they test the less deadly this damn thing actually is.

322180 rockoman, replying to rockoman, 1, #333 of 482 🔗

Hi Swedenborg,

did you quote Kevin McKernan in a comment a few days ago, as saying that Drosten would have needed two months to develop his PCR?

This would be big as the Drosten-PCR came out in January.

Or am I mixing something up?

Thanks.

322328 ▶▶ swedenborg, replying to rockoman, #334 of 482 🔗

Also remember seeing such a phrase but can’t find it in his comments now.  I don’t think he meant it seriously, just that Drosten did a very quick work which if it was solid, would have taken longer time. Drosten was involved in the swine flu PCR testing.
But I don’t think we should take it he had worked on it for two months and had it ready in the end of January, more that he made too many shortcuts (no live virus) which resulted in a bad test.

322332 ▶▶▶ rockoman, replying to swedenborg, #335 of 482 🔗

Yes – that would make sense.
Cheers.

322182 Major Panic, 12, #336 of 482 🔗

The bellies full of turkey and great grannies indigestion inducing stuffing, and I’m bogging a sweaty old stilton down with a crackling rioja and watching the Italian Job, marvellous….

covid, what covid

IFR of 0.05, lol, who’da thunk it….

322183 dpj, replying to dpj, 17, #337 of 482 🔗

I’ve not seen anyone else mention this (especially not the wee dictator who had plenty to say about Brexit deal last night) but weekly figures for Scotland announced yesterday suggests there were 52k people with covid last week and it’s now fallen to 37k this week, quite a significant drop. If figures had moved in other direction I’m sure we would have had a comment from her almost immediately.
https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-scotland-55439874

322285 ▶▶ OKUK, replying to dpj, 2, #338 of 482 🔗

I used to think of Scottish people as tough, canny, clever and cynical…why the hell don’t they fall out of love with Sturgeon? She’s appalling from all angles and on all levels. To me she is the antipathy of everything Scottish, except perhaps in her attention to detail.

I’m not looking at this from the point of view of the Union. I think an independent Scotland could be very successful and if I was Scottish I might well be a nationalist but I couldn’t stomachthe daily whinge fest from Sturgeon,

I suppose the Scots though have always loved virtue signalling since the days of Knox…is that her appeal?

322296 ▶▶▶ dpj, replying to OKUK, 1, #339 of 482 🔗

I certainly can’t stand her. We are now hours away from complete lockdown for whole of mainland as figures for Scotland are actually improving (see above) and the whole reason for it seems to be another lie by Hancock about the new deadly strain. I’m still not aware that Carl Heneghan or anyone I respect has seen any data to back up more contagious claim .

322302 ▶▶▶▶ Tom in Scotland, replying to dpj, 1, #340 of 482 🔗

I can’t stand her either. I’m not Scottish but have lived here for many years. While she does have quite a grip on much of the population, she is a polarising figure who has a lot of enemies as well.

322352 ▶▶▶▶▶ OKUK, replying to Tom in Scotland, #341 of 482 🔗

Good! May the league of foes expand and envelop her.

322306 ▶▶▶ Waldorf, replying to OKUK, #342 of 482 🔗

I am Scottish, by origin at any rate, and I think Calvinism might be a factor.

322388 ▶▶▶▶ bebophaircut, replying to Waldorf, #343 of 482 🔗

Calvinism is next to Puritanism.

322186 RickH, replying to RickH, 37, #344 of 482 🔗

AS I sit part zoning-out to a re-screening of ‘The Italian Job’ (such are simple pleasures), I am struck by this paragraph from the Telegraph comment piece on the growing incidence of mental illness (see above) :

“Perhaps one of the silver linings of 2020 is the revelation that it is not the people who are going mad, but the world itself. Society is sick, suspended between the eras of the life-loving baby boomers and a perverse new desire to abolish death. Next year, the challenge will be to muster the strength to try and restore some sanity to the planet, at the same time as heal ourselves.”

322212 ▶▶ Julian, replying to RickH, 26, #345 of 482 🔗

a perverse new desire to abolish death

I would award this phrase as the best of the year in summing up what has happened

It is utterly perverse, because of the futility and the huge cost. Unnatural, inhuman, against nature, sinful

Our opponents often attempt to seize the moral high ground, but where they are is anything but

322280 ▶▶▶ OKUK, replying to Julian, 6, #346 of 482 🔗

Well the Telegraph need to get off their arse, stop dangling it either side of the fence, and do something rather than serve up ambiguous moaning.

322277 ▶▶ OKUK, replying to RickH, 5, #347 of 482 🔗

Post the populist successes of 2016 there was a deliberate, unpleasant and unrelenting campaign in the globalist-controlled MSM to undermine people’s mental well being and their confidence in their own perceptions and judgments. The basic message was that everyone has mental health issues, that we should all feel anxiety, and that it was abnormal not to, that we cannot trust our own judgment and that we should rely on experts to tell us what we are experiencing. Everyday experiences and challenges – the trials of life – were turned into mental health crises.

It’s hardly surprising that after that two year plus campaign most people had few defences against government-induced hysteria.

322331 ▶▶▶ Bugle, replying to OKUK, 3, #348 of 482 🔗

Thanks for this, which I will take as a vindication of my own assessment. The campaign to make every anxiety, depression or disappointment a mental health issue is insidious and dangerous. Participants have included Lloyds Bank UK and Bell Telecom Canada. Doesn’t anyone ask why large corporations suddenly want us to ‘talk’ about our states of mind? The BBC has even pushed the issue through Monty Don, but at least his prescription is ‘gardening’.

Mental Health Weeks have become commonplace round the world and pop up in English schools, presented by such bodies as the Anna Freud Foundation and funded by such charities as the Wellcome Trust. I do not – by the way – deny that mental illness can be serious issue, causing destructive reactions even to the point of suicide, especially as a result of the government’s lockdown policies.

Having said this, the involvement of big business and big pharma should raise eyebrows. Drug companies are interested in selling drugs and have shown themselves willing to do so by identifying new conditions, even in children. I don’t feel I’ve done a great job with this post and so would invite others to correct or support my thoughts.

322382 ▶▶▶▶ OKUK, replying to Bugle, 1, #349 of 482 🔗

You’ve done a great job, not least by reminding us we should be suspicious of Big Pharma’s involvement in the campaign to induce anxiety…I would say it’s only the same as being suspicious if your local drug dealer turns up at the gates of your child’s school with a smile on their face.

Though not a Scientologist myself, I’ve noted before that while Scientology (which opposes psychiatric medicine) gets a bad press and has many adherents who have serious mental health issues, I can’t recall a single incident where one of their number has gone on a murderous rampage with guns. But in nearly every mass shooting, the killer has been found to be on psychiatric drugs or a heavy cannabis user. Peter Hitchens has been good at exposing the facts but still the MSM pushes Big Pharma drug solutions and suggests cannabis is a harmless recreational drug.

322189 Edmund Mortimer, replying to Edmund Mortimer, 51, #350 of 482 🔗

Merry Christmas from England, where we didn’t expect to be. We have just escaped from Switzerland after an abortive skiing holiday. We got to the resort okay without wearing masks, despite some heavy pressure from EasyJet and a little flak on the train. After a few days we were told that anybody from Britain was subjected to retrospective quarantine, which would have meant house arrest in our rented apartment over Christmas; and that all restaurants were to close on 27th Dec. We booked flights home, which was difficult; we had to go via Paris. And we were lucky to get anything at all. There were no direct flights, and some options would have taken up to 24 hours. The trip home was stressful. I’m not used to breaking the law. During the train journey to Geneva Airport I received 6 text messages telling me I must report myself to the cantonal authorities and stay indoors for 10 days on penalty of a fine of 10000 CHF, which is over £8000. I got increasingly paranoid thinking we’d be arrested at the airport at the last moment. But we made it. Now for 10 days quarantine in England. If I choose to comply.

322194 ▶▶ Major Panic, replying to Edmund Mortimer, 14, #351 of 482 🔗

you cant even serve out you quarantine in the Gibraltar winter sun now – cheers Boris and your mythical mutant…..

322195 ▶▶ RickH, replying to Edmund Mortimer, 25, #352 of 482 🔗

I’m not used to breaking the law”

Relax. When the legislative process has become corrupted, the uncorrupted victims have no option. That’s the underlying problem – the breakdown of the essential social framework through the exploitation of political opportunism and propaganda.

322207 ▶▶▶ John001, replying to RickH, 5, #353 of 482 🔗

It’s sometimes OK to break the law if this stops a worse crime from being committed.

Don’t forget, a government minister stood up in parliament and said that they might break international law. Also it’s corrupt to give £10s of billions to ministers’ mates without a proper tendering process.

322201 ▶▶ Lisa (formerly) from Toronto, replying to Edmund Mortimer, 14, #354 of 482 🔗

What an ordeal! I’m sorry you had to go through that — unimaginable before 2020. Do not comply with the ridiculous quarantine! When my daughter went back to university in August she was forced to quarantine for 2 weeks but was also forced to get 3 Covid tests during the 2 week period. I told her that since the government thought it was perfectly OK to break quarantine to get 3 Covid tests, she should feel free to break quarantine to go for a walk and get a coffee. It was a proud moment when she told me she broke quarantine the very first day. Merry Christmas — even though you should have been skiing. While we have hills rather than mountains, the government has shut down skiing for the next month.

322216 ▶▶▶ Edmund Mortimer, replying to Lisa (formerly) from Toronto, 15, #355 of 482 🔗

Thanks for your sympathy! We got three days skiing, which was better than nothing. We have already broken quarantine several times. Shopping, exercise, outdoor carol service at the local church. All three highly illegal.

322362 ▶▶▶▶ Annie, replying to Edmund Mortimer, 2, #356 of 482 🔗

Keep it up.

322209 ▶▶ Julian, replying to Edmund Mortimer, 9, #357 of 482 🔗

I think the likelihood of being “caught” not complying with quarantine here is very low – I know lots of people who’ve ignored it and never had a call

The main issue you may face is when talking to friends, neighbours, colleagues, who may fall out with you if they hear you’re not isolating and they know you’ve been away

322276 ▶▶ OKUK, replying to Edmund Mortimer, 1, #358 of 482 🔗

Sounds horrific!

322191 OldBaldGamer, replying to OldBaldGamer, 9, #359 of 482 🔗

fuck bollock fight violence… blah blah blah (my usual brandy filled crap)

Merry Christmas fellow reprobates.

Big year coming up.

They will win,

We will go down fighting, they might in their hubris fuck it up though, so happy thoughts!

322196 ▶▶ BJJ, replying to OldBaldGamer, 17, #360 of 482 🔗

No, they won´t.

322205 ▶▶ Tenchy, replying to OldBaldGamer, 21, #361 of 482 🔗

No, we’ll win. I predict the first signs of victory will be apparent in about eight weeks.

322240 ▶▶▶ Mr Dee, replying to Tenchy, 10, #362 of 482 🔗

Your prediction aligns with my wife’s prediction. So it must be true.

There is something stirring in the aether…

322192 straightalkingyorkshireman, replying to straightalkingyorkshireman, 55, #363 of 482 🔗

Just been out for a walk which involved cutting through a deserted supermarket carpark. Discarded filthy face naps everywhere, one even hanging in a bush. I’m disgusted with this whole shit show. Time for some pushback.

322198 ▶▶ winter, replying to straightalkingyorkshireman, 22, #364 of 482 🔗

If this was smallpox, we might be in a spot of bother – what with all the discarded muzzles. Yet people still don’t put two and two together…

322203 ▶▶▶ straightalkingyorkshireman, replying to winter, 12, #365 of 482 🔗

Yes who knows what nasties they may contain not to mention the danger to wildlife.

322263 ▶▶▶ Banjones, replying to winter, 5, #366 of 482 🔗

And if they did put two and two together, then it would occur to them – if these muzzles ARE so effective, then they are contaminated after use, and there should be hazardous waste bins provided, with severe penalties for not disposing of them correctly.
Have you signed the peition? It’s growing suspiciously slowly, some days not at all.
https://petition.parliament.uk/petitions/331430

322270 ▶▶▶▶ winter, replying to Banjones, 3, #367 of 482 🔗

I did sign it. I can only conclude that people like their muzzles.

322258 ▶▶ dorset dumpling, replying to straightalkingyorkshireman, 4, #368 of 482 🔗

There was even one on the SW coast path a good mile from any habitation this morning.

322215 Tenchy, replying to Tenchy, 3, #370 of 482 🔗

https://www.theguardian.com/music/2020/dec/25/ladbaby-reach-christmas-no-1-for-third-year-in-a-row

Ah well. It was worth a try.

A decidedly less family-friendly novelty track also stormed this week’s charts: Boris Johnson is a Fucking Cunt by Essex band the Kunts, which reached No 5. The 56-second punk track – or 82 seconds in its extended album version – features the title repeated over and over [again] in rising key changes. Charlie Brooker and Sex Pistols’ Glen Matlock were among those supporting the song on social media.

The band’s mononymous [sic] frontman Kunt previously attempted to reach Christmas No 1 in 2010 under the name Kunt and the Gang. He performed an even more luridly titled song aimed at the then Liberal Democrat leader Nick Clegg, who had formed a coalition government with the Conservatives that year. It reached No 66.

322220 ▶▶ mjr, replying to Tenchy, 3, #371 of 482 🔗

Fix! Fix! they would never let it be number one.. Remember God Save the Queen, Remember Relax.

322257 ▶▶ TC, replying to Tenchy, #372 of 482 🔗

“Extended album version” of 82 seconds?
Shortish album, is it?

322217 PatrickF, replying to PatrickF, 57, #373 of 482 🔗

I’m sorry your Majesty, I haven’t risen to the challenge of the pandemic. I’ve hated every day of the lockdown and the lies your subjects have been fed. I believe in God, and the truth. I don’t believe in fear and paranoia.

322244 ▶▶ alw, replying to PatrickF, 11, #374 of 482 🔗

It was written for her. ☹️

322273 ▶▶▶ OKUK, replying to alw, 5, #375 of 482 🔗

Yes it’s cruel. We know she believes in resilience, fortitude, homeopathy, and faith in God – not dependency, fear, vaccines and Imperial College modelling.

322300 ▶▶▶▶ Waldorf, replying to OKUK, 3, #376 of 482 🔗

She believes in whatever script they put down in front of her.

322350 ▶▶▶▶▶ OKUK, replying to Waldorf, #377 of 482 🔗

She believes it’s her duty to read it, just like she will have signed anti fox hunting bills into law, without believing in them.

322301 ▶▶ Waldorf, replying to PatrickF, 6, #378 of 482 🔗

“I’m sorry, your majesty but I have decided the Chinese have met the challenge of the pandemic. If I am going to live in a police state I would prefer it to be an economically successful one. I renounce all allegiance to the House of Windsor.”

322223 crimsonpirate, replying to crimsonpirate, 3, #379 of 482 🔗

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qPrj00NLzT0
latest Toyah and Fripp. Toyah alludes to something happening mid January. Not sure if she has some sort of inside track.

322312 ▶▶ Waldorf, replying to crimsonpirate, 1, #380 of 482 🔗

Yes. Interesting comment.

322384 ▶▶▶ crimsonpirate, replying to Waldorf, #381 of 482 🔗

reminds me of something Matt said here a few months ago

322237 bebophaircut, 9, #382 of 482 🔗

Rosie
11 hours ago

How to find a local friend – don’t forget the Freedom Network can be used anywhere, not just here in GB.
Freedom Network
The Freedom Network is a non-political movement founded with the purpose of reclaiming freedoms taken away by the Coronavirus Act. The Network has established a series of ‘Freedom Hubs’ around the country which provide like-minded lockdown sceptics with an opportunity to make contact with one another.
http://www.thefreedomnetwork.co.uk
Back to Normal
Back to Normal is a leafleting campaign aimed at changing the public’s attitude about lockdowns. Back to Normal leaflets are designed for door-to-door distribution and are currently being distributed all over the country. E-mail backtonormalrh@yahoo.com or visit my-sgf.co.uk for more information
Unlock (Oxford)
Unlock is a student-led campaign begun at Oxford University. The movement brands lockdowns as ‘irrational and inherently unfair’ and aims raise awareness about the damage they’re doing.
Unlock has a website, http://www.unlock-gb.co.uk , and a social media presence: @unlockgb on Twitter and @GBUnlock on Facebook
Unlock Surrey
Unlock Surrey is a group of like-minded individuals from across Surrey and south-west London. Beyond a shared opposition to the lockdown, the group is entirely non-partisan and encompasses a broad variety of interests and opinions. Besides simply putting people in touch with one another, Unlock Surrey organises social events and publishes a regular newsletter. E-mail unlock.surrey@protonmail.com for more information.

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322238 bebophaircut, 4, #383 of 482 🔗

Sir Colin Davis LSO John Alldis Choir
The Spirit of Christmas
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2TpPOhnw2V8
Merry Christmas to all …

322239 Mr Dee, replying to Mr Dee, 15, #384 of 482 🔗

Nothing to do with Lockdowns, but I saw a bright green star with a dark, smoky trail falling from the clear blue sky this afternoon. Weirdest thing I’ve ever seen!

322242 ▶▶ alw, replying to Mr Dee, 6, #385 of 482 🔗

Too much sauce?

322246 ▶▶▶ Mr Dee, replying to alw, 35, #386 of 482 🔗

No not at all. And I knew someone would say that. I don’t care. I know what I saw. It could have been a meteor burning off copper or nickel.

Anyway, it’s a significant omen as far as I’m concerned for the year ahead:

“Green carries the vibration of growth, new beginnings, health, renewal, harmony, hope, and peace.”

2021 is the year we win.

Love you all.

Mr Dee

322278 ▶▶▶▶ jb12, replying to Mr Dee, #387 of 482 🔗

Middle Age astrologers would see anything out of the ordinary such as a comet or meteorite as a harbinger of maleficence, precisely because they were disturbances of cosmic order.

322299 ▶▶▶▶▶ Waldorf, replying to jb12, 2, #388 of 482 🔗

The green burn-off does sound like metal content in a meteor. Rather unusual daytime occurrence, though. Meteors do not usually have enough light to show up in daytime although they can occur at any time of day or night.
In late 1988 I went for a walk on a freezing night in Scotland and saw several meteors. I was on the edge of a city (Dundee) so less ambient light. Beautiful sight. I am not superstitious but I thought it might be a good omen and indeed a job application I had made proved successful.

322330 ▶▶ Paul, replying to Mr Dee, 1, #389 of 482 🔗

I saw the same thing about 25 years ago whilst playing tennis on a summer afternoon,a bright green fireball trailing a dark smoky trail passed horizontally across the sky from north to south,it was a truly amazing sight.A couple of days later it was mentioned in The Times.

322241 jonathan Palmer, 42, #390 of 482 🔗

Just like to report from the Essex front.
Judging by my neighbours there is mass disobedience regarding the dictators latest edict.
Hopefully this is the moment that they have overreached themselves.
If not Stalingrad at least Barbarossa.
Merry Christmas to one and all.

322243 Liewe, replying to Liewe, 10, #391 of 482 🔗

Merry Xmas all! I’m having Xmas giggle at Hat Wancock and Zweli Mkhize, his SA counterpart.

After trying to scare their populations re their respective terrifying mutant strains, all they accomplished was to earn their countries international travel bans. Here’s Mkhize backtracking on his earlier claims of a much more transmissible, dangerous and youth gobbling mutant:
https://www.news24.com/news24/southafrica/news/covid-19-theres-no-evidence-that-sa-variant-is-more-dangerous-than-the-uk-variant-zweli-mkhize-20201225

322247 ▶▶ bebophaircut, replying to Liewe, 2, #392 of 482 🔗

Zweli? Is it Swahili? It won’t work, it’s too difficult to pronounce.

322269 ▶▶▶ OKUK, replying to bebophaircut, 1, #393 of 482 🔗

Zweli would say that wouldn’t ‘e?

322251 Silke David, replying to Silke David, 7, #394 of 482 🔗

I am currently watching a video of the German solicitors association “Klagepaten” about consent to be vaccinated in care homes in Germany. They want to start tomorrow or Sunday.
The interviewed solicitor has power of attorney for several elderly clients. He informed about the forms he has been sent by the care home management and local authority. Of course with a VERY short period to fill in these forms and return, so no proper consultation possible. Although hopefully they will not vaccinate if no consent has been given.
I am wondering if anyone is on here who have power of attorney re medical treatment for anyone in a care home. Have you been consulted?
What is your experience?

322259 ▶▶ Tom Blackburn, replying to Silke David, 2, #395 of 482 🔗

If you Google:
covid 19 vaccine care homes comms pack

You should come across the consent forms on the web

322255 rockoman, replying to rockoman, 7, #396 of 482 🔗

Denis Rancourt, physics professor at the University of Ottawa, on covid-19, geopolitics and the US election: 28 minutes

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d5uy6RT3_R0

This guy is the most clued-in commentator I have found.

322267 ▶▶ Lisa (formerly) from Toronto, replying to rockoman, 11, #397 of 482 🔗

Denis is one of our Canadian heroes throughout all of this insanity. He consults to the Canadian Civil Liberties Association, has debunked the mask nonsense and has demonstrated that there has been no increase in all-cause mortality in Canada for 2020.

322256 Whats gone wrong, replying to Whats gone wrong, 4, #398 of 482 🔗

Anyone any idea about the login problem several people have mention? Or do a select few of us simply have to re-register under a new name?

322261 ▶▶ Boris Bullshit, replying to Whats gone wrong, 2, #399 of 482 🔗

I have just had to re register under a slightly new name.

322264 ▶▶ Marialta, replying to Whats gone wrong, 3, #400 of 482 🔗

I’m not having any problems. I registered my username & password just the once months ago and when I access the site I’m automatically signed in.

322268 ▶▶ OKUK, replying to Whats gone wrong, 5, #401 of 482 🔗

We now have to login to comment – this because one or two members reported others posting in their name. Maybe that did happen but the login requirement is an effective disruption tool, so if someone did want to cause disruption, making the claim of impostor posting is enough to cause disruption (the complainant specifically requested this remedy). I can’t be the only to have forgotten my password!

We’ll maybe see what effect it has had after 1 Jan when normal traffic resumes but numbers of comments are way down on what they would normally be.

322274 ▶▶▶ Whats gone wrong, replying to OKUK, 4, #402 of 482 🔗

Thanks – I recall a couple of people saying other posts were appearing under their names.

But I can’t re-register my previous name and email because I get a message saying that that email has already been used, and it won’t let me login in under the previous password … I hare messing around like this, such a waste of time.

322275 ▶▶▶ Charlie Blue, replying to OKUK, 3, #403 of 482 🔗

Quite a few people posted that they were taking a break. And I hope that some others will be enjoying their day too much to think about posting!

322289 ▶▶▶▶ OKUK, replying to Charlie Blue, 1, #404 of 482 🔗

Yes that’s why I said we will have to wait to the New Year to see if there has been any long lasting effect.

322284 ▶▶ davews, replying to Whats gone wrong, 2, #405 of 482 🔗

I had never registered before but the other day when I had to it accepted my existing username with no complaints, just added a password, confirmed and was away. I suspect it may depend on the state of cookies on your computer as to whether it demands a new name.

322291 ▶▶▶ OKUK, replying to davews, 1, #406 of 482 🔗

You might have “remembered” your password on your device. If you didn’t, you would have a problem.

322310 ▶▶▶▶ davews, replying to OKUK, 2, #407 of 482 🔗

But I never had a password until I registered the other day, nothing to ‘remember’ – and I can’t remember the gibberish one it offered me either, thank heathen for password stores.

322297 ▶▶ Major Panic, replying to Whats gone wrong, 2, #408 of 482 🔗

its not changed for me, i’m fealing left out

322393 ▶▶ bebophaircut, replying to Whats gone wrong, #409 of 482 🔗

It happened to me yesterday even though I received my daily email link. Had to re-register with a new name.

322260 Boris Bullshit, replying to Boris Bullshit, 8, #410 of 482 🔗

Thoughtful article by Frank Furedi arguing how politics has become medicalised and how public health concerns now trump all other policy considerations.
Towards a fearless future – spiked (spiked-online.com)

322343 ▶▶ Lisa (formerly) from Toronto, replying to Boris Bullshit, 1, #411 of 482 🔗

Excellent piece!

322361 ▶▶ Annie, replying to Boris Bullshit, 5, #412 of 482 🔗

Excellent.
This is the first generation in all human history to pretend that cowardice is a virtue.
It isn’t. It’s a shameful and disgusting vice.

322612 ▶▶▶ Boris Bullshit, replying to Annie, #413 of 482 🔗

Yes the kind of messages about ‘being brave’ or ‘have courage’ that I remember from childhood seem to be long gone. Its all about ‘vulnerability’ and being ‘at risk’…..and I can only see that getting worse the way children are now being brought up’

322418 ▶▶ Hugh, replying to Boris Bullshit, #414 of 482 🔗

Is he by chance any relation to the dreadful Ann Furedi?

322262 Rabbit, replying to Rabbit, 64, #415 of 482 🔗

Merry Christmas everyone, I know I don’t post a lot even though I have been reading this site and comments near enough from day one.

Most of the time I don’t post as I generally agree with everyone and by the time I think of a good response is someone has already posted what I would have said. It probably speaks to my insecurities of using social networking, some years ago I came off Facebook as it was making me feel anxious and a bit depressed, coming off of that platform was a breath of fresh air. I don’t mean to compare this platform with us on here.

Despite few posts, I battle in my own way with mixed success of promoting this website to family, friends and the odd random person eg taxi drivers, bar staff etc. The one thing that always strikes me most is when people feel they know something is suspect but no real idea of where to go for answers. Giving people the URL of this site has hopefully contributed to questioning things further.

Particular shout out to awkward git, Bart Simpson, Rosie and KH the cafe owner. Merry Xmas one and all!

322265 ▶▶ OKUK, replying to Rabbit, 7, #416 of 482 🔗

Merry Christmas!

322266 ▶▶ Lisa (formerly) from Toronto, replying to Rabbit, 10, #417 of 482 🔗

Merry Christmas and keep up the good work! I’m sure you’re making a difference.

322271 Charlie Blue, replying to Charlie Blue, 20, #418 of 482 🔗

Evening all. I’m back from a visit to my parents. Normalish, apart from all the distancing and being seated at the opposite end of the table (not a huge table, in fairness) for dinner. Great to see them but still resent that they’ve been made to see me as a threat. They are both a little sceptical, mum more so, but still their sense of personal threat has been magnified, just as the bastards intended.

322316 ▶▶ Dame Lynet, replying to Charlie Blue, 11, #419 of 482 🔗

I don’t understand parents who do this. Both my children returned from university recently; I hugged and kissed them immediately and continued to do so, it didn’t occur to me not to.

322319 ▶▶▶ Charlie Blue, replying to Dame Lynet, 1, #420 of 482 🔗

I am early 40s and they are 80ish, so that might put a slightly different complexion on it.

322281 Sarigan (Day 277 of lockdown), replying to Sarigan (Day 277 of lockdown), 63, #421 of 482 🔗

As Christmas Day draws to a close I wanted to take this opportunity to thank Toby and all ABL contributors but equally all BTL. I never thought for one moment when I found this site in April that we would still be here discussing the catastrophe that is lockdown. I am not alone in the damage to businesses but have lost £100s of thousands in this and if it were not for the community here, I would have given up a long time ago. I cannot put into words how much my daily intake of sanity has meant in a mad mad world.

From the bottom of my heart – thank you. I will never give up.

I will sign off the evening with my favourite quote of the year from St Augustine:

“Hope has two beautiful daughters. Their names are anger and courage; anger at the way things are, and courage to see that they do not remain the way they are.”

322317 ▶▶ Lisa (formerly) from Toronto, replying to Sarigan (Day 277 of lockdown), 8, #422 of 482 🔗

Lovely message. You’re a warrior and we’ll be in this fight right along with you.

Let’s hope they marry those handsome fellows Fortitude and Focus then!

I hope the nightmare is over soon. You and your business don’t deserve this man-made catastrophe No one knows, no one can tell if the catastrophe will be over in 2021 . We do know that WEF will be promoting “the Great Reset” early in the New Year, so we may be swapping lockdown lunacy for economic ectoplasm,

322360 ▶▶ Annie, replying to Sarigan (Day 277 of lockdown), 1, #424 of 482 🔗

Fight on, we’re with you.

322288 theanalyst, replying to theanalyst, 23, #425 of 482 🔗

Merry Xmas!

So no material Covid found among lorry drivers. Poor truckers. I’m ashamed to be British.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9087279/Another-800-military-personnel-sent-help-test-4-000-drivers-stuck-Kent-Christmas-Day.html

10,000 tests and only 24 positive. Yes just 24 out of 10,000.
This is a 0.24% positive rate. Well within the real of false positives.

More evidence PCR is rubbish and should be tested.

Hopefully someone will start to notice.

322292 ▶▶ OKUK, replying to theanalyst, 8, #426 of 482 🔗

If anyone’s going to have good cross immunity, it will be truckers!

322294 ▶▶ Major Panic, replying to theanalyst, 4, #427 of 482 🔗

have they used lower cycles PCRs, or using LFTs?

322295 ▶▶▶ theanalyst, replying to Major Panic, 5, #428 of 482 🔗

LFTs

322298 ▶▶▶▶ Charlie Blue, replying to theanalyst, 28, #429 of 482 🔗

I guess they are going to switch between the two now depending on whether higher or lower positives are politically convenient. And no one in msm or Parliament will call them on it.

322309 ▶▶▶▶▶ Bugle, replying to Charlie Blue, 3, #430 of 482 🔗

Depressingly true.

322315 ▶▶▶▶▶ Alice, replying to Charlie Blue, 6, #431 of 482 🔗

Ivor Cummings said something similar in the interview with Tom Woods – at some point they’ll need fewer positives to show that the vaccine is working (and there’s a lot of money invested in vaccines, as we know). The interview is very good (it was posted here before, but I’ve only found time to watch it today, of all days):

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jrrWFjIilEU&feature=youtu.be

322318 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Charlie Blue, replying to Alice, #432 of 482 🔗

Thanks, Alice. I’ll take a look.

322321 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Alice, replying to Charlie Blue, 1, #433 of 482 🔗

It’s Ivor Cummins, not Cummings, of course – I made a mistake, and it won’t let me edit.

322344 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Lisa (formerly) from Toronto, replying to Charlie Blue, 1, #434 of 482 🔗

Well worth it. Tom Woods and Ivor Cummins are two of my favourites these days.

322320 ▶▶ TimeIsNow, replying to theanalyst, 2, #435 of 482 🔗

If a journalist was going to notice that would have happened in March.

322324 ▶▶ assoc, replying to theanalyst, 5, #436 of 482 🔗

When they want lots of results (the truckers / for returning undergraduates for holidays) then LFT is rolled out, the rest of the time it’s the PCR shit with all the false positives. It’s complete hypocrisy

322325 ▶▶▶ assoc, replying to assoc, 4, #437 of 482 🔗

I meant lots of negative results!

322335 ▶▶ RickH, replying to theanalyst, 4, #438 of 482 🔗

… and all because government decided to invent a justification for continued control. It must be one of the greatest incidents of self-inflicted harm in history.

322337 ▶▶▶ Waldorf, replying to RickH, 4, #439 of 482 🔗

Britannia self-harms, and makes cuts on her arms…

322368 ▶▶▶ Bugle, replying to RickH, #440 of 482 🔗

It had all the predictability of a Carry On film – you couldn’t help laughing.

322303 theanalyst, replying to theanalyst, 22, #441 of 482 🔗

There was a troubling moment today when a guest at my Xmas table, after one too many glasses, started to show the effects of being subjected to brainwashing and suddenly began openly insulting people (loved ones, I think) in the room who do not wear masks in shops.

This was in spite of our excellent hospitality. He knows we don’t wear masks so I was gobsmacked. Totally. Ouch.

Our governments and our Gates paid for mass media are extremely divisive and nasty, and they know it, and the do it on purpose. They will continue. They fcucked Xmas for thousands.

I will have to put this incident down to a lovers tiff and too much Port…as I wish to continue seeing my family. Family is more important than masks.

Port is a nasty drink, like the government and Gates paid for media and so called “health reporters” in particular.

322311 ▶▶ jb12, replying to theanalyst, 5, #442 of 482 🔗

They always have the choice not to imbibe the bullshit.

322314 ▶▶ Lisa (formerly) from Toronto, replying to theanalyst, 8, #443 of 482 🔗

I admire your restraint — you’re a better person than I am! Having said all that, port is an acquired taste. I have a vintage bottle here but nobody but me can drink the stuff so it continues to age.

322358 ▶▶▶ Annie, replying to Lisa (formerly) from Toronto, 2, #444 of 482 🔗

Send it to me, I love the stuff.

322363 ▶▶▶▶ Lisa (formerly) from Toronto, replying to Annie, 3, #445 of 482 🔗

If I’m ever able to fly again — without a mask or a vaccine — I’ll come and visit and we can drink it together! It’s a Warre’s 1983 vintage port. Would love to toast to the end of the insanity.

322323 ▶▶ rockoman, replying to theanalyst, 5, #446 of 482 🔗

My cartoon posted above – shows why your guest ‘thinks’ as he does.

322327 ▶▶ RickH, replying to theanalyst, 5, #447 of 482 🔗

Family is more important than masks.”

… to which I would add friendship.

Which is what makes this divisiveness so difficult at times. You can’t deprogramme people with a quick recital of the facts.

322334 ▶▶▶ theanalyst, replying to RickH, #448 of 482 🔗

Beautifully put addition – Thanks.

322333 ▶▶ rockoman, replying to theanalyst, 2, #449 of 482 🔗

So, are they ready to be vaccinated?

322365 ▶▶ Stephanos, replying to theanalyst, 1, #450 of 482 🔗

I think that this is VERY unfair to port!

322322 rockoman, replying to rockoman, 26, #451 of 482 🔗

Why people think there’s a pandemic:

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322329 ▶▶ Achilles, replying to rockoman, 12, #452 of 482 🔗

It’s worse than that. They think that wearing a raincoat will make it sunny.

322348 ▶▶ OKUK, replying to rockoman, 3, #453 of 482 🔗

As always, the cartoon wins!

322338 Charlie Blue, replying to Charlie Blue, 4, #454 of 482 🔗

When I think they can’t sink lower
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/health/covid-london-homebirth-cases-ambulance-b1778881.html

Women planning home births in London will no longer be guaranteed an ambulance response in the case of emergency, as a result of “current pressures” from Covid-19, a local health authority has warned.

322340 ▶▶ p02099003, replying to Charlie Blue, 10, #455 of 482 🔗

That’s unacceptable and unforgivable if something happens to mum or baby, it’s a priority 1 life threatening emergency that requires a paramedic response as a minimum.

322357 ▶▶ Annie, replying to Charlie Blue, 7, #456 of 482 🔗

Let them die.
If it saves one life.
Your life at the expense of all theirs, you selfish pigs.
Stay safe.

322339 p02099003, replying to p02099003, 30, #457 of 482 🔗

Had son, daughter in law and two grandchildren visit for the day. Daughter in law came and gave me a hug, despite the fact that over the past 9 months she has been petrified. Had hugs and kisses from grandchildren (3 and 5 years old), and hug from son. No distancing, no masks and basically normal.

322353 ▶▶ OKUK, replying to p02099003, 3, #458 of 482 🔗

Excellent! Sounds like a hugathon!

322342 Jez Hewitt, replying to Jez Hewitt, 20, #460 of 482 🔗

Merry Christmas and thanks to Toby, his team and all of you btl.

I’m failing badly. I’m in the company of a PhD, 2 Masters and an ex Danish MP and I’m gutted I’m wasting my time with such gullibility when i could be stealing from them. I honestly think they’d drown me if they could physically get away with it.

322345 ▶▶ wayno, replying to Jez Hewitt, 6, #461 of 482 🔗

Keep strong brother you are on the right side of history.

322349 ▶▶ mhcp, replying to Jez Hewitt, 6, #462 of 482 🔗

The Denis Rancourt video and paper (from 6 months ago too) is great. Very well described and matches a lot of what has been observed. The synchronous peak though in certain areas of the world is a effectively a smoking gun too. No states that implemented lockdown had that peak.

322355 ▶▶ Annie, replying to Jez Hewitt, 15, #463 of 482 🔗

Academic achievement and bone-headed stupidity have never been incompatible. The academic world was wrong about everything to do with medicine and cosmology for two thousand years.
And there’s nothing to beat academics for spite and intolerance, either. I know, I used to be one.

322347 rockoman, replying to rockoman, 19, #464 of 482 🔗

“If it was an actual pandemic, there would be no need for the massive military-grade propaganda campaign, the paramilitary occupation of society, and the systematic State violence against and censorship of non-believers.”

Denis Rancourt

https://twitter.com/denisrancourt/status/1341053314948091904

322563 ▶▶ RickH, replying to rockoman, #465 of 482 🔗

A really good insight.

322356 Cecil B, replying to Cecil B, 18, #466 of 482 🔗

I couldn’t understand why they were so keen on getting London into tier 4.

The mutant virus story is such an obvious pack of lies

Then the brexit deal was cynically announced on Christmas Eve. I doubt if many have read the full document yet but it is bound to be a surrender and not brexit at all

MP’s and protesters are less likely to be able to travel to London whilst it’s in tier 4

What the serial liar Handy cock has done to 5,000 lorry drivers is inhuman

322364 ▶▶ Bugle, replying to Cecil B, 13, #467 of 482 🔗

This is the point, isn’t it: “MPs and protestors are less likely to be able to travel to London while it’s in tier 4.” Avoiding scrutiny and suppressing dissent are major preoccupations of this government. There is also the public order angle: when people eventually become angry about their ruined lives, the restrictions will come in handy to prevent riots. Finally, I suspect the decision to cancel Christmas was taken to prevent people from rediscovering freedom – reality even. A proper five day celebration would have let the genie out of the bottle, possibly necessitating force to get it back in again.

322369 ▶▶▶ Spikedee1, replying to Bugle, 7, #468 of 482 🔗

Yes and there is no way they could have us all talking, and discussing all of this and sharing ideas and telling the truth. That would end this shit in five minutes flat.

322562 ▶▶ RickH, replying to Cecil B, #469 of 482 🔗

Brexit was always delusion on stilts – built on myths that parallel those of Covid. The current joint debacle has just brought this to the fore.

322359 Cheshirecatslave, replying to Cheshirecatslave, 6, #470 of 482 🔗

I try to be ultra cautious because of health issues but I’m fiercely anti lockdown and pro making your own choices as a responsible adult. Yesterday, I visited my cousin also cautious because of health problems. We acted normally and had a lovely afternoon.
Today, I was invited to visit church friends, B and S whom I usually spend Christmas with. S is lovely and was very good to me in the spring, B has been freaking out since March and living apart from S but joined her today.

He collected me, at least he didn’t fuss over my lack of mask but had all windows wound down rather than a usual couple of inches for ventilation. (I’m all for letting some fresh air in but this was freezing) He grumbled the entire journey about people who disobeyed the rules and said it was too dangerous for me to stay long.

He decreed where we all sat. He sat at the far side of the room while S and I sat at opposite sides of the table. He made her move a further foot away and wear a mask save when eating. I told him I hardly went out and quoted the US Marines. study for the futility of trying to control a virus. He still muttered about rule-breakers,and obeying every rule and acted as if I had leprosy, bubonic plague and ebola combined.

The food was very good. I then tried to show them some photos which was someone difficult 10 feet apart.

S was tired so I made my excuses and thankfully returned home. I guess this is Christmas according to SAGE!

322377 ▶▶ Silke David, replying to Cheshirecatslave, 1, #471 of 482 🔗

Good that you managed to meet with friends and well done to survive this ordeal.

322378 ▶▶▶ Cheshirecatslave, replying to Silke David, #472 of 482 🔗

Thank you, I did have a much better Christmas than expected.

322381 ▶▶ James Leary #KBF, replying to Cheshirecatslave, 2, #473 of 482 🔗

We’ve put all ‘friends’ like that on hold. They will wither on the vine.

322383 ▶▶▶ Cheshirecatslave, replying to James Leary #KBF, #474 of 482 🔗

S is a lovely person, I pity her having to put up with the way B is acting as he treats her as a plague carrier too!

322391 ▶▶ Lisa (formerly) from Toronto, replying to Cheshirecatslave, 1, #475 of 482 🔗

Better than being alone! You’re a trooper and showed a lot of restraint with respect to B. I’m glad your day went better than expected.

322394 ▶▶▶ Cheshirecatslave, replying to Lisa (formerly) from Toronto, #476 of 482 🔗

Thank you, yes, I did appreciate S asking me as I’m sure B objected. I tried in vain to gently talk sense into B. I pity anyone who swallows everything the MSM says. He wears 3 disinfectant soaked masks out in the street! Christmas Eve with my cousin was a real treat

322568 ▶▶ RickH, replying to Cheshirecatslave, #477 of 482 🔗

I guess this is Christmas according to SAGE!”

aka ‘The sociopath’s revenge’.

322375 Ricky1, 9, #478 of 482 🔗

Social media today suggests tier four has been disregarded totally in my area. Today felt pretty quiet actually, not even a peep of doom from SAGE or the media. I expected some Sage prof to come out early in the morning with some catastrophic prediction of 20000 dead in the next two weeks because of Christmas in some final push to get people to cancel their plans.

I’m sure the fear porn will be ramped up over the next few days to prepare us for a January lockdown. The death registering lag over Christmas will probably mean the death toll in a few days time will be over 1000 which the media and government will blame on Christmas and people not following the rules.

Hope you all had as good of a Christmas as you could have and good luck with whatever awaits us in the future Thanks Toby and this community for keeping me sane this year.

322376 Country Mumkin, replying to Country Mumkin, 5, #479 of 482 🔗

Hope you had a good Christmas Day everyone.

Here’s something to make you laugh … some beautiful hypocrisy – loads of politicians and senior figures caught breaking Covid rules

https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1341465108736827394.html

322389 ▶▶ Cheshirecatslave, replying to Country Mumkin, #480 of 482 🔗

If they believed what they preached they would follow the rules which shows they see the rules for what they are, mostly nonsense

322390 ▶▶ Lisa (formerly) from Toronto, replying to Country Mumkin, #481 of 482 🔗

Love it! Thanks for that.

322392 chaos, #482 of 482 🔗

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T-d6IJzZSjg
China And The Great Reset: What You Need To Know

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