Last updated2020-12-26T12:37:08



322395 karenovirus, replying to karenovirus, 11, #1 of 766 🔗

Morning all, I think I’m still in tier2land, able to go out and about but unable to cross the border.

322396 ▶▶ Hugh, replying to karenovirus, 52, #2 of 766 🔗

Morning. Happy st. Stephen’s day!

Made it to midnight mass yesterday. I could count the masked on my fingers. Of one hand. A lot of exemptions at our church! 🙂 I even managed to get in a bit of carol singing (not so) sotto voce.

Sadly, looking at the comments, it seems there weren’t many churches like that. Hoping to have a carols gettogether with some people from church some time during the Christmas season, all being well. In some ways, I’m relatively lucky, with a church that is very much on our side, and only minimally affected by this nonsense at work. I feel so angry about those who have lost everything though due to these crimes against humanity, and not least those in care homes with no family, who have been deprived contact with the outside world for months.

One post said that by far the biggest number of deaths was among the poorest in care homes. Eugenics anyone?

From what I’ve heard, the politicians struggle to understand their own rules. Why should we be expected to follow them, especially when it is a minority of mp’s who vote for this stuff (if they vote at all)?

322398 ▶▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Hugh, 10, #3 of 766 🔗

Sounds like a wonderful evening. In my early childhood I attended a magnificent spired medieval church that we stole from the Catholics.
All stained glass windows, marble tombs of the local Gentry, oodles of brass fitting, Regimental flags, a proper choir, bits of Latin with genuflecting and a civil war canon ball lodged in the main door. I would have made the effort to go to midnight mass there just for the spectacle even if not actually believing.

I lost my faith when we moved to London and had to go to a 19C suburban CofE place with nothing to look at exempt the Psalm numbers. Boring.

322400 ▶▶▶▶ Hugh, replying to karenovirus, 34, #4 of 766 🔗

Beauty in churches – and in life – is so important. I hate to think of the effect that the indefinite suspension of so much of our cultural life is having on people.

I was just looking at my ticket for a play I went to earlier this year before lockdown at our local theatre, a splendid evening’s entertainment thoroughly enjoyed by the audience. Been closed since March, and find myself wondering when I’ll be able to go there again (and under what conditions). Thinking about it, it must surely qualify as a catastrophic loss, what we have been denied this year, and I fear many sectors will never recover.

322404 ▶▶▶▶▶ Annie, replying to Hugh, 55, #5 of 766 🔗

Our church used to be beautiful. Merely to go in there lifted the heart and nourished the soul. Seven hundred years of hope and faith were written into its windows and walls and furnishings. Prayer and music added, day by day and week by week, to the continuity of faith, hope and charity.

Now it’s the Tenby Temple of St Grovel in the Coward Covid Cult of Living Death. Stripped if its accoutrements, festooned with hideous yellow police tape, even the font cordoned off as a token that the future of the Christian faith in our town has been deleted. Frequented by quavering goons who cringe away from their fellow sacks of viral poison and mumble into their face knickers, words they don’t mean about a saviour in whose promises they do not believe.

If your church is still Christian, pray for those of us whom Covid cowardice has cast out.

322408 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Hugh, replying to Annie, 17, #6 of 766 🔗

Will do. Fearlessness is a big thing at our church but sadly Bob’s cartoon was more accurate and the angel might as well have said “be afraid” rather than “do not be afraid” (mentioned 365 times in the bible), judging by the actions of some churches.

322550 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Felice, replying to Hugh, 14, #7 of 766 🔗

Many times this year I thought about how there was a huge opportunity for the CoE to spread the message of Be not Afraid, and it totally bottled it.

322566 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Binra, replying to Hugh, 8, #8 of 766 🔗

I haven’t counted, but ‘Fear not’ is one of Jesus’ most repeated sayings. Fear breeds masking ‘defences’ that then DO the think and thing they say they are against – and deliver the mind of fear unto, even as they know not what they do.
Love shines its true nature through our willingness to accept no substitutes. For the masking in virtue must cover the sense of lack that fear insinuates by division.

322430 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Whats gone wrong, replying to Annie, 18, #9 of 766 🔗

Seven hundred years of hope and faith were written into its windows and walls and furnishings

Yes, but that doesn’t change because of what they’ve done. They can’t erase Truth. They can try, but eventually Truth will reassert itself. And I firmly believe that Truth emerges from the Individual, not from the Group.

As I’ve written on here before, I’m not one for revealed religion. To my mind an old church is consecrated not by ritual but by the innumerable souls who’ve sat there back through the centuries and talked with themselves as they’ve dealt with hopes and fears much like our own. That’s why I like only small, very old churches in the middle of nowhere, with no one else in them.

You mentioned yesterday late that you’ve been in academia Annie – do you mind me asking what branch?

PS – I’m posting under a new name – until I can get my old one back

322445 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Annie, replying to Whats gone wrong, 20, #10 of 766 🔗

I was a Cambridge research and teaching fellow for a short time, in mod. and medieval languages. Believe me, I know all about academic spite.

322465 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Whats gone wrong, replying to Annie, 3, #11 of 766 🔗

Thanks – I guessed it was something like that from your previous posts. I’ve long thought that the best history books are not by academics and not by journalists, but by laymen writers, for want of a better term.

I have history I want to get published, but do not want to get involved in academia, and yet it is going to be very hard to do so without involving academia.

322592 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Whats gone wrong, replying to Annie, 1, #12 of 766 🔗

Hi Annie – while you were at Cambridge in the Languages dept., did you know Dr Oliver Padel, the Cornish place-name historian?

322733 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Monty Greene, replying to Annie, 2, #13 of 766 🔗

I suppose at Churchill its a question of Spite Lives Matter.

322838 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ OKUK, replying to Annie, 2, #14 of 766 🔗

Another thing about academics is how in all other walks of life, whether it be the courts, armed forces, Parliament
or whatever, they want to impose modernity, abandon ancient costumes, discard Latin nomenclature and generally have nothing to do with the past except to condemn it. If you’ve ever been to s graduation ceremony with its fancy gowns and hats, Latin tags for this and that and traditions stretching back nearly 1000 years, you’ll know academics are the biggest hypocrites around!

322613 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Binra, replying to Whats gone wrong, 3, #15 of 766 🔗

Yes. Truth is never threatened – but our awareness and willing alignment in truth can be temporarily covered over.

Wholeness (of being) extends as the willingness of our receiving and so is always a relational expansion.

The modern idea of the Field given tangible or visible expression by particular relational resonance points to an all pervading quality that gives rise to the appearance of an object model of an imaged rendering of an Infinite Universe.

What the masked off sense of separating fear discards is Everything. But of course Everything is only cast out of the mind of guilt’s conviction that fear is true and truth is made victim or sacrifice to the strut of illusion made ‘real’.

Self-illusion recognised as such is an imagination without substance – for it joins us not with all that Is. But self-illusion protected and given priority over truth is wanting illusion to be real, and so choosing to deny what is First, from which all else follows in like kind.

At some point attack on truth is recognised as self-betrayal. Persisting illusion past such an honesty of being sets the sin of a spiritual death to a world of blind fears set in judgements that will proceed in like kind as conflict, division and struggle within a realm of death.
The truth of self-honesty as the recognition of a self-deceit is then the disturbance through which a free willingness to align true moves from truth, through our being to the gift of a relationship accepted, recognised and appreciated.

Relationship is not a closed system or ‘group-think’ of social masking but a living will.

Give as in truth you would receive.
And thankyou for the moment of reflection here.

322832 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ OKUK, replying to Whats gone wrong, 4, #16 of 766 🔗

Faith, hope and charity has been replaced with fear, hate and calumny.

322435 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Annie, 18, #17 of 766 🔗

There was An Archbishop on R4 Xmas Eve morning being pressed to apologise for closing all the churches. Despite trying to hide behind what he claims was the law he did concede that more access could have been permitted.
He did not apologise.

322553 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Spikedee1, replying to karenovirus, 8, #18 of 766 🔗

I am afraid our institutions have really let us down. The law, government and the church have all failed miserably. I suppose it’s because they have no fear of revolt. People just blithely put on bits of cloth around their face and comply. The right to religious assembly is actually written into the American constitution and they still shut the churches down. And most of them are baring arms. Police go and crash a baptism and close it down, doesn’t even make front page news. No fear!

322478 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Dame Lynet, replying to Annie, 5, #19 of 766 🔗

If we had such a thing, yours would surely qualify as Featured Comment. Brilliantly, eloquently put.

322557 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Binra, replying to Annie, 5, #20 of 766 🔗

The deceit appeals to false sympathies as the call to self-denying sacrifice. Sacrificing for others is operating as false religion.
A true giving does not measure as ‘virtue’ gained – but gives as virtues selfless extension.
The holiness is the consecration.
What is given to God and received in like kind is not IN the world.
The clearing out of the Temple is of all that has no true belonging or alignment with a true devotion.
So may love of God (love of Love) wake in the heart that masked in fig leaves and thorns.
‘And WHO told you you were naked?’ said the Lord.

322401 ▶▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to Hugh, 33, #21 of 766 🔗

As far as I’m concerned, if it hasn’t been debated in Parliament and enacted through being passed through both chambers and sent for Royal Assent, then it isn’t law. So I ignore it.

322402 ▶▶▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Nick Rose, 7, #22 of 766 🔗

Is The Queen capable of giving Informed Assent given all the phoney science and propaganda flying about?

322447 ▶▶▶▶ Ovis, replying to Nick Rose, 20, #23 of 766 🔗

In addition, I believe in the inalienable right of resistance to tyranny. That applies even to law that is formally valid. Indeed, no liberation struggle has ever succeeded, as far as I know, without breaking the law as it then stood.

322767 ▶▶▶ Ben Shirley, replying to Hugh, 7, #24 of 766 🔗

Sounds like your church was a lot better than mine, Hugh. I made my way there after I’d met with a few friends for an illicit beer in a shed. Natty chairs, a single dim strip light and a door turned on its side and propped up on some boxes for a table – good stuff.

Anyway, at church I was the only parishioner relying on God for deliverance from harm, rather than a moist rag. I rather get the impression the church was glad for the ludicrous distancing regime as it helped give the impression that the congregation wasn’t dwindling almost to nil. Hardly surprising given the quality of the service you get now. No singing, no jubilation, no neighbourly love, just thank the NHS and please leave your God outside the building…

322397 karenovirus, replying to karenovirus, 21, #25 of 766 🔗

From the roundup ’17 remedies for 2021′

Recommended reading for those who feel they are wasting their time talking facts and figure to lockdown believers among friends and family.

The Aldous Huxley quote deserves to be in Toby’s quotation corner.

“A really efficient totalitarian state would be one in which the all powerful executive of political bosses and their army of business managers control a population of slaves who do not have to be coerced because they love their servitude. To make them love it is the task assigned . . .”

Joseph Goebbels said something very similar.

322403 ▶▶ Hugh, replying to karenovirus, 24, #26 of 766 🔗

In the end, it’s hearts and minds that win people over, more than facts and figures. The trouble is, they think that we don’t care, that we are being selfish, putting people’s lives at risk etc., sadly not helped by a supine msm which has largely gone along with project fear (probably for financial reasons). I suspect there is also a political element to all this.

The November edition of the critic ran interesting article on the matter (Welcome to Covidworld).by academic philosophers Ian James Kidd and Matthew Ratcliffe.They say how there are reasoning biases, that certain facts are not up for debate, how people place their flag in different worlds of reality, and end by talking about a “widespread decontextualisation that attends Covid-19”. Of course because of the aforementioned politics, figures and facts may be dismissed without a second thought for political reasons.

To a degree, I can understand the fear factor – as an angry young biker I used to yearn for a world without cars because my daily reality was bad drivers making my life unpleasant. Only when it became more unpleasant not to have a car was I forced to reconsider. I still hold out hope that as the disastrous consequences of lockdowns become clearer, the mood will start to change, but it won’t be easy by any means..

322602 ▶▶ Ken Gardner, replying to karenovirus, 8, #27 of 766 🔗

I fear that Huxley and Goebbals were right, and that many of our population have learned to love lockdown… being paid by the government to stay home watching TV and ordering fast food. Wasn’t there something in an old 60s film about “learning to stop worrying and love the bomb”?

322976 ▶▶▶ bebophaircut, replying to Ken Gardner, 1, #28 of 766 🔗

Stanley Kubrick’s ‘Dr Strangelove’. Peter Sellers starring in three separate roles.

322405 Hugh, replying to Hugh, 24, #29 of 766 🔗

“Department of health denies pcr-test center lab rules being broken”

Are they by any chance anything to do with the people who recently denied that vitamin D was not proven to boost immunity from viruses?

Pontius Pilate is quoted as asking “truth – what is that?” It seems like all these years on, some people still don’t know.

Oh, and professor Pantsdown – please, just do one! Do you have any idea how many deaths you and your mates in Big Pharma are responsible for?

322407 ▶▶ Annie, replying to Hugh, 17, #30 of 766 🔗

If the rules weren’t broken, and the lurgy still spread, what use are the effin’ rules?

322406 Annie, replying to Annie, 53, #31 of 766 🔗

A Daily Mail comment sums up the idiocy of the lockdown goons:

‘The lamb spends its entire life in mortal fear of the wolf, but in the end it is slaughtered by the shepherd.’


322448 ▶▶ Waldorf, replying to Annie, 26, #32 of 766 🔗

People often have a poor grasp of risk. Also the media hysteria has led to people think Covid has killed far more people than it actually has.

322570 ▶▶ Spikedee1, replying to Annie, 8, #33 of 766 🔗

I also love the fact they have to trot out the number of deaths today and cumulatively and CASES. What a cure is not strong enough to sway your argument. There is nothing like good journalism and this is nothing like good journalism.

322409 Viv, replying to Viv, 58, #34 of 766 🔗

That profile of Ferguson in The Times this morning finally provides the clue for the clueless professor’s modelling endeavours.
Turns out he’s proud of not having had any education in biology, not even O-level biology.
Well, of course one can regard the world as being best described by maths and models. However, even someone with only O-level biology would know that the real, biological world doesn’t behave like a maths model.
But at least now we know why Ferguson’s mathematical models have never modelled the actual reality on the dirty, messy ground that is life. They/he cannot.
As for virologists: well, that dirty messy thing we call life doesn’t take place in a lab either.

322482 ▶▶ TC, replying to Viv, 31, #35 of 766 🔗

And there was me thinking epidemiologists (I think that’s how he’s been described,amongst other things) were medically qualified statisticians or similar.
That may explain why I,with my nearly 50 year old O level Biology felt instinctively that it was not reading right what we were told after the first few weeks when I wasn’t seeing people collapsing in the strret and feeling I was transported back in time to the real plague times.
Why do they continue to give this man air?
In the private sector he would be tagged as a loser and unemployable given his track record.

322671 ▶▶ Rowan, replying to Viv, 16, #36 of 766 🔗

Imperial College is lavishly funded by Bill Gates and you can bet old Bill isn’t complaining about Ferguson.

322978 ▶▶ bebophaircut, replying to Viv, 3, #37 of 766 🔗

The ologists are taking over.

322410 Cecil B, replying to Cecil B, 38, #38 of 766 🔗

The idiot half child Mandy Cock came up with the mutant virus bull

As a result 5,000 foreign truck drivers are detained without trial in the South East. They have little food or water and are extremely angry

I am told the British police are too scared to approach them and foreign troops are on the ground to placate the drivers

I’m told these drivers are vowing to never return to the UK

Truck drivers on the continent are refusing to come to the UK

Food shortages are inevitable

322416 ▶▶ ElizaP, replying to Cecil B, 9, #39 of 766 🔗

It has been worrying me in case truck drivers try and do their own little individual boycotts of going to and from between Britain and the Continent after the way they are currently being treated at Dover. Fingers crossed that it will be the usual “sound and fury” of a moment that I’m so used to hearing from people and then 99% of them back down (because they were only mouthing off) and proceed to carry on as per normal.

322419 ▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Cecil B, 22, #40 of 766 🔗

BBC online reports 5,000 lorries, 10,000 tests (?) of which 24 positive+, they don’t say scary mutant so presumably standard Covid.
How many drivers out of 5k might normally have flu in the middle of winter ?

322422 ▶▶▶ chaos, replying to karenovirus, 23, #41 of 766 🔗

In other words.. 10,000 lorries. They can’t keep their lies together.

Even at 5000, 24 positives.. most of which I am sure are asymptomatic.. and still the penny doesn’t drop with most people.

322462 ▶▶▶▶ Waldorf, replying to chaos, 9, #42 of 766 🔗

Many do not seem to have any grasp of arithmetic.

322738 ▶▶▶ ajb97b, replying to karenovirus, 8, #43 of 766 🔗

Guys… the false positive rate for the LFT test is 0.4%. So ALL these 24 positives are possibly false positives.

322442 ▶▶ Waldorf, replying to Cecil B, 32, #44 of 766 🔗

The British police have other priorities, like arresting carol singers.

322449 ▶▶▶ mjr, replying to Waldorf, 51, #45 of 766 🔗

there were massed police in riot gear trying to confront the lorry drivers when it started and some scuffles.. However when the police realised the Romanian and other foreign drivers were a different kettle of fish to lone women at a peaceful lockdown rally they shat themselves and made a hasty retreat ….

322451 ▶▶▶▶ Waldorf, replying to mjr, 15, #46 of 766 🔗

There have been sporadic riots in parts of Europe, sometimes triggered by something particularly egregious committed by the authorities. For example a couple of weeks ago an Albanian policeman shot dead a youth in Tirana moving around at night despite lockdown curfew, and riots then damaged several government buildings. The government arrested the policeman to placate the rioters.

322583 ▶▶▶▶ Spikedee1, replying to mjr, 7, #47 of 766 🔗

And your chicken shit roadblock is not much cop at stopping a 10,000 big ass hgvs. Big bear this is rubber duck and we’re about to put the hammer down!!!!

322985 ▶▶▶ bebophaircut, replying to Waldorf, 1, #48 of 766 🔗


323087 ▶▶▶ Rowan, replying to Waldorf, 1, #49 of 766 🔗

Yes, there’s bounty payable on every song sheet confiscated.

322980 ▶▶ bebophaircut, replying to Cecil B, 2, #50 of 766 🔗

Looks like deliberate sabotage. Brought to you by Merkel, Macron, Boris & Co.

322411 Steve Martindale, replying to Steve Martindale, 40, #51 of 766 🔗

Our daughter and her partner managed to break out of Gulag Cardiff and come to us for Christmas day but they had to avoid drinking and set off to return in good time so that their car did not turn into a pumpkin halfway across the Severn Bridge! utter madness.
But anyway my daughter was saying that she had picked up that there were a number of people in Welsh hospitals who had had covid and recovered but were being kept in hospital as they kept testing +ve despite getting over the illness some time ago. I am guessing that these may well be older people who would need some assistance to be discharged. Indeed across the country I understand that hospitals are having difficulty discharging elderly recovered covid patients as they need assistance and support to be discharged and this is hard to do at this time, the old NHS problem of bed blocking.

This is of course all anecdotal but it would be interesting to know just how much of the problem of the NHS being overwhelmed is down to ‘bed blockers’?

322417 ▶▶ ElizaP, replying to Steve Martindale, 2, #52 of 766 🔗

very true

322421 ▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Steve Martindale, 18, #53 of 766 🔗

I posted yesterday about a woman whose mother had contracted Covid in hospital, recovered, given a release date but subsequently tested positive+ again and is isolated in hospital over Xmas despite her daughter being able to care for her at home.

322862 ▶▶▶ Jo Dominich, replying to karenovirus, 7, #54 of 766 🔗

I don’t know if anyone on here has heard of The Bournewood Judgement which effectively became the basis for the Mental Capacity Act. A quickish summary is that J, someone with Learning Disabilities lived in an Adult Placement -i.e.with a family (a bit like foster care). They were the main carers. When they went away on holiday or for weekends or whatever, a couple who were long-standing friends were assessed by the Local Authority and approved as being the stand-in carers. This arrangement worked well for some years. Until J, being cared for by the stand-in carers, had a significant seizure incident and had to be admitted to hospital. He recovered within a day or two and should have been discharged. However, the NHS Hospital Trust refused to allow him to be discharged to the stand-in carer’s so he remained in hospital becoming very upset and agitated because he was clearly showing he wanted to go home. The main carers returned from their break and immediately sought legal advice. The Court found that the NHS had illegally deprived J of his Liberties and caused him major distress.

Now it seems to me that the use of the Mental Capacity Act, in particular, the Deprivation of Liberty ruling is not being used enough here. The Judgement had a major impact on Social Services because they had to re-assess all the elderly people that had been placed into residential care, quite often without their actual consent just a lot of pressure by NHS staff. It resulted in many of those re-assessed returning to their homes.

It needs exploring in cases such as the one you have used. You cannot be detained in hospital because you have had a positive test. You should only remain in hospital when there is still a need for clinical intervention, monitoring or administration of medication. She is being illegally detained. That’s it pure and simple. The NHS are obsessed with older people going to residential homes rather than their own home mainly for financial reasons. There is nothing stopping her getting up, leaving and returning to her home. She is not in need of any clinical intervention or surgery so should not be there.

322515 ▶▶ james007, replying to Steve Martindale, 8, #55 of 766 🔗

I have often heard that the lack of social and community care means that elderly people stay in hospital as they have nowhere else to go.
I think whenever governments go on election-winning NHS spending sprees, they usually spend the money inefficiently and it doesn’t necessarily expand capacity.

322518 ▶▶▶ kh1485, replying to james007, 16, #56 of 766 🔗

My memory may be playing tricks on me but I am sure when I was young there were these things called convalescance homes. Surely it is not beyond the wit of government (oh yes, it is … I forgot) to reinstate these types of hospitals.

322868 ▶▶▶ Jo Dominich, replying to james007, 3, #57 of 766 🔗

Oh so true James007. I’ll give you some bona fide examples. in 1990 the NHS and Community Care Act was introduced. It identified the responsibilities of the NHS and of Social Care. The NHS was responsible for funding Continuing Health Care cases, Rehabilitation assessment and recovery services (in dedicated centres where the recovering patient would stay and have OT, Physio and other rehabilitative services), for community Physios and OTs to ensure people could have their rehab at home if they chose to and other NHS services and to fund the Community Equipment Stores with more equipment and newer more modern equipment. They got a huge amount of extra money for this. What actually happened was that the NHS failed to fund rehabilitation services for Older People making every excuse under the sun, the same with Continuing Healthcare funding. They axed to virtually nothing the community OT and Physio services and unashamedly used millions and millions of pounds of public money on themselves. So, Social Services were left to fund rehabilitation beds, introduce OTs into their Adult Service Teams and fund a lot of CHC care cases without a penny more money and suffering the cuts on LA’s imposed by David Cameron. Where all that money went within the NHS nobody knows as they continued to axe acute care beds, community hospitals, Health Centres etc etc.

Now Social Care is on it’s knees financially thanks to 10 years of Tory cuts and the NHS are finding they have to pay for these services know so they don’t. What they do now is to bully older people, social workers and relatives into discharging older people into care homes when they do not need that type of service. Hence, social care is once again picking up the bill and the older people are having to sell their houses for care they didn’t want in the first place. Social Care offers a wide range of care packages that can manage very high risk in the community. Care at home is far better than care in a home (1 member of staff to every 10 residents). The NHS are not interested as they would have to fund rehabilitation services such as OT and Physio. And so it goes on.

322590 ▶▶ Spikedee1, replying to Steve Martindale, 5, #58 of 766 🔗

Why are these silver tops and their kids not demanding a second test done with a LFT? mind you if it was me and it was my mum I would have just gone and got her out. It’s not exactly the scrubs is it?

322412 Hugh, replying to Hugh, 19, #59 of 766 🔗

Oh, and anyone who can, please do something for new year.

What a disgrace putting Scotland, of all places into lockdown for Hogmanay. I wonder how they’ll take that?

322414 ▶▶ Annie, replying to Hugh, 21, #60 of 766 🔗

Lying down, the poor wee scottie poltroons.

322432 ▶▶ alw, replying to Hugh, 23, #61 of 766 🔗

Speaking to a Scottish friend don’t think the Scots will take a blind bit of notice of what our Nicola says. So many Scottish people against her but the media narrative would have us believe otherwise.

322497 ▶▶ arfurmo, replying to Hugh, 5, #62 of 766 🔗

Suppinely worshipping St Nicola chanting the mantra “Thank you for keeping us safe” sadly .

322492 ▶▶ TJS123, replying to Annie, 11, #64 of 766 🔗

I still haven’t seen my mother, who has dementia, since she went into a care home 6weeks ago. My first “window visit” last week was cancelled as a couple of residents have tested positive, though neither have any symptoms. The home is closed for a month, until January. Even so, visits can only happen during a couple of hours on some weekdays, so working family members are pretty much excluded unless they can get time off.
So she has been through this major change with no support, and no understanding of why family people she saw daily are no longer around.
We are having to sell her house to pay for her care and it feels as if she is dead, yet she isn’t – she has been removed and detained, isolated from her family, and we have no way of ascertaining if she’s Ok beyond a weekly phone call in which they tell us what she’s had for breakfast.

322415 Laurence, replying to Laurence, 137, #65 of 766 🔗

Another early start.

When you wake up and hear the latest round of garbage on the news, you can’t get back to sleep.

Spent most of yesterday in extreme annoyance at the waste of a year.

Spoke to my 96 year old father – sharp as a nail – he gets it completely, understands reality better than people half his age.

Why aren’t the young out there, having fun – what a pathetic excuse for Christmas it was yesterday. Hopefully people realised we’re being taken for a ride by a PM who’s not up to the job.

All those life years lost to cancer, heart disease, depression, suicide. All those young people (and the older and even the very old like my Dad) wasting 9 months of 2020 and God knows how much of next year.

The old (not my Dad) are waiting for the vaccine. That reduces their chance of dying by around 1 in 15, even for the over 85s – how stupid of them – they’ve given away a year voluntarily, virtually all of them won’t have another 14.

It’s pathetic that people comply, and it’s the height of negligence, negligence so bad it’s evil, that the government are doing this to us.

I’m surprised the young people aren’t out protesting, or just out enjoying themselves ? I’m surprised the pubs and restaurants aren’t saving people’s lives and sanity by keeping open ? If enough do it the government won’t be able to control it. I can’t encourage that as the law stipulates that the people have got to destroy their lives, but wouldn’t it be nice?

As for Keir, his cynicism is beyond belief and even beyond parody.

322423 ▶▶ Judy Watson, replying to Laurence, 19, #66 of 766 🔗

Well said

322467 ▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Laurence, 25, #67 of 766 🔗

I’m now pleased my mum and her siblings and their partners all passed away peacefully before having to endure this stress in their twilight years.

322589 ▶▶▶ Felice, replying to karenovirus, 14, #68 of 766 🔗

I share your sentiments, but I’m slightly less ‘lucky’. My 96 year old mum died in July after 4 weeks in a care home. Heart attack caused by the stress and anxiety of being locked up. I’m now glad that she did not live longer as she would have been so upset by now. As would we be, knowing the lack of meaningful visiting etc at care homes.

322483 ▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to Laurence, 30, #69 of 766 🔗

Well said. I’ve been amazed at how supine many people have been especially those small business owners who having built their businesses over the years with blood, sweat and tears have keeled over without much of a fight.

As for the young they’re fighting the wrong fight – quick to jump on tiresome American imports that have nothing to do with the UK but have been silent and yes cheerleading on the erosion of our civil liberties.

If and when they do wake up they will realise that it will be too late. Way too late.

322605 ▶▶▶ Spikedee1, replying to Bart Simpson, 10, #70 of 766 🔗

No leadership. When I was a kid my views were guided by Boland, Bowie, Freddy. My newspaper challenged me and made me look at both sides of the argument. I would watch TV and see the issues debated by both sides with world class presenters challenging their bullshit. I saw Sid and John swear their tits off on TV and it was the presenter that got sacked. There was music in the streets and revolution in the air! Now they blindly follow censored social media.

322626 ▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Laurence, 3, #71 of 766 🔗

He’s certainly beneath contempt.

322660 ▶▶ Rowan, replying to Laurence, 1, #72 of 766 🔗

Where does the vaccine death reduction figure of 1 in15 for the over 85s come from? It obviously suspect and it cannot have a reliable source.

322983 ▶▶▶ Laurence, replying to Rowan, 2, #73 of 766 🔗

There have been just under 6% ‘excess’ deaths on an age adjusted basis in 2020 per the Institute and Faculty of actuaries, so around 36,000.

Assuming all these are COVID (which is a ridiculously high level as there were well over 1 million fewer emergency procedures on the NHS this year):

There were 230,434 deaths aged 85+ this year in England and Wales (to week 50 per ONS) of which 30,807 were COVID-related. But the number of COVID related deaths is over twice the excess deaths.

So taking 30,807/2/230,434 gives 1 in 14.96 deaths in this age group caused by covid. If all of these were prevented by the vaccine (again, a very bullish assumption) then you get to the 1 in 15 figure.

322420 Judy Watson, replying to Judy Watson, 70, #74 of 766 🔗

Wheyhey back on the scene – for some reason got ‘locked out’
Hope you all had as good a christmas day as possible.

I had a party yesterday 16 people from 8 different households and 6 different countries. Today I am paying the price and feeling very fragile. 5555555

322426 ▶▶ Fingerache Philip, replying to Judy Watson, 15, #75 of 766 🔗


322433 ▶▶▶ Judy Watson, replying to Fingerache Philip, 30, #76 of 766 🔗

Sure was having a mega cleanup now!!!!
PS no masks/anti-social distancing some singing, part poppers and silly string used, much fun had by all

322438 ▶▶▶▶ Fingerache Philip, replying to Judy Watson, 12, #77 of 766 🔗


322631 ▶▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Judy Watson, 2, #78 of 766 🔗

Best medicine!

322427 ▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Judy Watson, 13, #79 of 766 🔗

There were a few reports yesterday of log in difficulties.
16 real live people in an actual place ? Splendid ! Time is an absolute guarantee for hangover recovery.
I confined my solitary attack on Laphraoigh to light manoeuvres only as I need to be out and about today.

I did learn that the traditional old fashioned Coaching Inn at the heart of the city was open for Chistmas lunch and was fully booked at £50.00 a head. Not my kind of thing but each to their own.

322441 ▶▶ Annie, replying to Judy Watson, 10, #80 of 766 🔗

Drink plenty of water and don’t bang the door!

322424 chaos, 4, #81 of 766 🔗

China And The Great Reset: What You Need To Know

So how many of these morons are being manipulated by green lobbies and China?

322425 Fingerache Philip, replying to Fingerache Philip, 53, #82 of 766 🔗

MSM full of Brexit brave new dawns, blast off Britain,full throttle Britain,boomtime Britain bulls××t.
At the age of 72, I’ve heard it all before.
All everybody wants is their freedom back.

322440 ▶▶ Annie, replying to Fingerache Philip, 24, #83 of 766 🔗

That’s all WE want. The zombies want perpetual slavery.

322511 ▶▶▶ ElizaP, replying to Annie, 16, #84 of 766 🔗

Having persuaded one of the Covid believers to stick to their arrangement to come round here for a meal today – I am fully expecting an anxious look to cross her face when she spots the latest book I’ve had through/am about to read is “Combating cult mind control” – Steven Hassan. Or will she not even realise that the cult I’m thinking of is the “Cult of Covid” beneath which we should all genuflect (apparently!)? It took me a lot of doing to persuade her into keeping our arrangement (this being Wales and Dripford having said we’re not allowed anything on Boxing Day). I really had to hammer home the logic that a few hours difference between Christmas Day and Boxing Day (during which neither of us are expecting to see anyone) makes no difference at all and that, if she was going to let anyone down, she should have let down the Christmas Day friend she went for a meal with (who has a husband), rather than the single friend (me – no husband) and anyway I’d bought the food already. Felt like I’d had to guilt trip her into still coming round – so that I do get one solitary little bit of Christmas social life.

322635 ▶▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to ElizaP, 3, #85 of 766 🔗

Good for you – and you’ve made her think. Hopefully the start of better things to come. Have an enjoyable day.

322843 ▶▶ Binra, replying to Fingerache Philip, 2, #86 of 766 🔗

Do we want our illusions back?

IE: Consider that a corrupted zombie economy was kept up as a quantitative illusion but is now under controlled demolition under quantitative lubrications and UBI preparation.

If the corruptions are deep seated and sytemic – and rendered as an unconscious bias or invisible normal, then the consequence is only masked by the narrative.
IE: we are meeting consequences that cannot be altogether evaded but can be repackaged like toxic debt, into complex financial, social and psychic-emotional packages by the Ingenuity of the mind’s ability to cling on to a sense of false possession and coercive control – as for its very life.

322428 TheBigman, replying to TheBigman, 79, #87 of 766 🔗


We have a story of “antibody therapy” above. Well if this doesn’t frighten you I don’t know what will. The article doesn’t state much information about it but claims to make people who haven’t had the vaccine immune “immediately” for between 6-12 months.

How can that be? After all the vaccine is said only to give two months immunity and that isn’t proven either. Nor does either treatment stop the new super duper scary variant. SO WHAT IS THE FUCKING POINT?

This is obviously a seasonal virus at worst and at best a virus on its way out and that’s being dragged on by stupid (although planned) lockdowns and all that go with it.

What has been shown. As many as 30% of the UK had some sort of immunity to this in early 2020. The virus spreads on the wind, rendering breathing as the main cause of catching it, so ZERO point in lockdowns etc. Meaning most of us are most likely immune.

Viruses mutate… ITS A GOOD THING! Now it spreads easier (allegedly) which means more should become immune quicker. It is not been shown to be more deadly. A few more mutations (which would happen quicker if we weren’t locked down) would make this little more than a common cold coronavirus.


Therapeutic treatments have cut deaths in the most severe of hospitalised cases – but only vaccines can be talked about as a ‘cure’.

Many will lose their jobs and the economy will collapse. Houses will be bought up by the mega rich thus increasing the wealth gap. All to soften us up to economic changes that help usher in communist ways. DON’T THINK THAT IT CANNOT HAPPEN HERE!
We need to end as much of these controls as possible as soon as possible. No masks, no distancing, no lockdowns.

322437 ▶▶ Steve Martindale, replying to TheBigman, 41, #88 of 766 🔗

When you hear reports of these vaccines being peddled around the world, presumably making shedloads of money for the drug companies , it is hard not to at least consider that there is more going on here than meets the eye.
My working life was spent with the agricultural and horticultural industries and you do not have to look hard to see how the big chemical companies manipulated things so that agriculture and horticulture became completely dependent on chemical assistance. It is as if we are now being programmed to get to the stage where we feel that human existence is only possible with chemical assistance.
Well they have been saying this to us for years and so I will now throw it back in their faces;

*************SAY NO TO DRUGS***********************

322457 ▶▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Steve Martindale, 19, #89 of 766 🔗

Saw a report about how Indias small farmers (majority of the population) are being bought/bullied out of their small farms so the land can be prarified and covered in chemicals.
It’s already been done in Cambridgeshire but an earlier version caused the 1930s American dust bowl.

322475 ▶▶▶▶ Annie, replying to karenovirus, 16, #90 of 766 🔗

As a child in Cambridgeshire I remember the ‘fen blow’: huge clouds of desiccated peat dust being blown off the fields, along with the seed that bad been sown in it. The sky turned black, and dust drifts blocked the roads.
And peat fires in the fields, with firemen sinking up to their waists in smouldering peat.
End of the fertile black fens.
Then in winter, huge floods because the water meadows had been ploughed up.
And the whole county drenched in agricultural poison.

322641 ▶▶▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Annie, 3, #91 of 766 🔗

That’s why the much-touted “plant-based diet” will destroy the planet.

322665 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Rowan, replying to Cheezilla, 6, #92 of 766 🔗

Yes indeed. Many food plants are in any event inherently toxic and in the modern world they are heavily sprayed with an assortment of man-made poisons. Yummy.

322664 ▶▶▶▶▶ FenTyger, replying to Annie, 4, #93 of 766 🔗

Just look at the Holme post at the Great Fen site:-
As the peat has almost gone this is one eco thing I definitely approve of.
Also I well remember the Fen blows and stubble burning.
You can tell the peat has gone when the trees at the bottom appear (or bog oaks as they are known)

322848 ▶▶▶▶ Binra, replying to karenovirus, 1, #94 of 766 🔗

Seeds of Destruction by F William Engdahl

322429 Cecil B, replying to Cecil B, 40, #95 of 766 🔗

The pig dictator wants the people locked up in tier 4 not to protect the people from a virus but to protect the pig dictator from the people

322439 ▶▶ Annie, replying to Cecil B, 11, #96 of 766 🔗

Ditto the Dungford.
The original Stalin died in his bed. Wales’s shabby imitation may not be so lucky.

322446 ▶▶▶ mjr, replying to Annie, 13, #97 of 766 🔗

yes – a Mussolini or Ceausescu solution would be far better. and more theatrical

322474 ▶▶▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to mjr, 7, #98 of 766 🔗

And a much better example “pour encourager les autres”.

322460 ▶▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Annie, 12, #99 of 766 🔗

The original Stalin died on the floor in a pool of his own piss.
Comrade Beria ensuring the second rate doctors who had survived purges had no access until he was properly dead.

322470 ▶▶▶▶ Annie, replying to karenovirus, 4, #100 of 766 🔗

Ah, Beria. Now reincarnate as Gething.

322476 ▶▶▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to karenovirus, 3, #101 of 766 🔗

Wasn’t Beria shot, afterwards? No bloody gratitude, these Commies.

322487 ▶▶▶▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Nick Rose, 6, #102 of 766 🔗

The others ganged up on Beria believing he might be even worse than Stalin.
This is how gangster dictators meet their ends.

322647 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ FenTyger, replying to karenovirus, 3, #103 of 766 🔗

See the film “Death of Stalin”, brilliant.

322744 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Silke David, replying to FenTyger, #104 of 766 🔗

Available on BBC I player at the moment. Watched it last night.

322845 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Jo Dominich, replying to FenTyger, #105 of 766 🔗

Yes. Beria played by Simon Russell Beale brilliantly. Captured the ‘benevolent malice’ beautifully.

322867 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Rowan, replying to FenTyger, 2, #106 of 766 🔗

I’m waiting for the “Death of Johnson”.

322516 ▶▶▶ ElizaP, replying to Annie, 6, #107 of 766 🔗

Oh and whilst we are talking about Dripford – Internet rumour today is he has left his wife – for another man. Is this fact or hope of something/anything (ie besides the son he has got and what he got up to)?

322611 ▶▶▶▶ Spikedee1, replying to ElizaP, 3, #108 of 766 🔗

He probably wants to know what it feels like to have done to him what he has been doing to the poor Welsh for the past six months.

322431 davews, replying to davews, 16, #109 of 766 🔗

Well we are still here after Christmas Day, here spent alone, first time for many years. A Zoom service with our church in the morning, splendid Christmas lunch of spatchcock and trimmings. After lunch a family Zoom gathering which may have been the low light – they started discussing the covid themed presents they had received (really!) then the after party quiz, cracker jokes which hadn’t come out of crackers. I felt somewhat out of it, but hey ho it is only Christmas. Slightly late walk in the woods, loads of people out there working off their lunch and quite a few Happy Christmases exchanged, normal people doing normal things.

Still no explanation for the daily 30k plus positive test results per day and the media have now gone remarkably quiet on the MK breakout. Off to Tesco later, hoping they have some fruit and veg.

322490 ▶▶ davews, replying to davews, 8, #110 of 766 🔗

Tesco had loads of fruit and veg along with everything else – apart from bakery bread as that was closed so had to have the artificial stuff. Quite quiet as well but looks as if lots got new masks for Christmas, yuk…

322434 Laurence, replying to Laurence, 21, #111 of 766 🔗

On another matter, let’s have a look at the US – I’ve spent some time analysing their COVID death figures. The laughably tell us 338, 263 people have died of COVID so far this year.

Now the CDC, which I thought was a reputable organisation, claims “ Overall, an estimated 299,028 excess deaths occurred from late January through October 3, 2020, with 198,081 (66%) excess deaths attributed to COVID-19. The largest percentage increases were seen among adults aged 25–44 years and among Hispanic or Latino persons.

Well, firstly, I’ve looked at the numbers and make the total excess deaths for that period around 252,000. What explains the difference ? Around 50,000 ‘excess’ deaths are the result of the population growing and ageing. There were 22,574,000 people over 75 in the US as at 2019 (more now) compared to 20,166,000 in 2015, an increase of 11.9%. Surely the CDC must have taken that into account. Well, I quote directly from their website:

“Fourth, using the average numbers of deaths from past years might underestimate the total expected numbers because of population growth or aging, or because of increasing trends in certain causes such as drug overdose mortality.

In other words, they’ve ignored this.

THEY CANNOT BE SERIOUS. This is the US Government, the most powerful institution in the world, and they miss an 11.9% increase.

It gets worse: the official number of COVID deaths up to week 48 is 272,213 (taking a later figure and the latest reliable figures available), of which 112,766 (41.4%) are aged under 75. These are clearly not primarily COVID deaths, the maximum under 75 should be 25%. If you adjust the excess death figures (277,509 in total, 94,295 under 75) in the ratio of 41.4: 58.6 to get the figures down to a 25%: 75% split, you end up with a total 126,008 COVID deaths up to week 48, of which 31,485 are under 75. This looks about right and is broadly comparable with European figures.

The remainder of the excess deaths are from something else, probably a lot to do with people not seeking appropriate medical care for non- COVID and some to do with opiate abuse and/ or suicide.

I’ve done a similar analysis for California alone, and get similar results.

The CDC figures are a disgrace.

322436 ▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Laurence, 2, #112 of 766 🔗

Must be a different strain if it kills young adults disproportionately 🤫

322656 ▶▶▶ Ken Gardner, replying to karenovirus, 2, #113 of 766 🔗

“The largest percentage increases were seen among adults aged 25–44 years…. ”

We need to be careful about how we interpretate such claims. I have no idea what the figures are, but suppose deaths increased from 0.01 to 0.02% of the population in that category. That means they doubled but still a low and insignificant number of people.

322452 ▶▶ Elisabeth, replying to Laurence, 26, #114 of 766 🔗

That is ON PURPOSE. Everyone is reading off of the same playbook: Terrify the populace, destroy small businesses, wreck the economy, bankrupt massive amounts of people, bring in the NWO’s Great Reset. And if they kill a few thousand people along with it, even better.
It’s disgusting.

322443 mjr, replying to mjr, 7, #115 of 766 🔗

so glad that parody of a christmas is over. I hate christmas anyway but yesterday was a day to stay in bed.

anyway. today’s editorial refers to the “Queen’s” speech. Obviously not her’s. Be interesting to know who actually wrote it as it was straight from the government propaganda playbook. And i am still wretching when i think of the “NHS” choir.

If you do watch this, also watch the “Alternative Queen’s Speech” on C4 Far more reflective of what the Queen probably wanted to say .. and not the usual C4 woke stuff.

Also, when you have seen it make a note in your diary to watch another C4 programme on Monday
which will make you think next time you watch a government video

322453 ▶▶ alw, replying to mjr, 4, #116 of 766 🔗

Agree 1000%. Just heard a few sentences and thought blatantly obvious it was not written by HM she has more style.

It was blatantly obvious. Did Charlie write it.

322454 ▶▶▶ alw, replying to alw, #117 of 766 🔗

Edit not working

322458 ▶▶▶▶ mjr, replying to alw, 2, #118 of 766 🔗

I’ve just edited a message so it is working (unlike a week ago when edit went down for all) . you need to be logged in to edit . However i understood that over the last couple of days functionality changed so you have to be logged in to post. In which case it is a puzzle but seems to be your end

322461 ▶▶ karenovirus, replying to mjr, 6, #119 of 766 🔗

Can’t see it as I don’t want their app, just for balance I never watch government videos because they are bound to be lies.

322472 ▶▶ jb12, replying to mjr, 9, #120 of 766 🔗

The Queen is a leech, like her whole line, both backwards and forwards.

322444 Alias Margaret, replying to Alias Margaret, 19, #121 of 766 🔗


”Overwhelming evidence that the seriousness of the pandemic was vastly over-rated by WHO”

This was the swine-flu pandemic. We never seem to learn from our mistakes.

322466 ▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Alias Margaret, 6, #122 of 766 🔗

They learned that they don’t have to stop just because they’ve been caught out lying.
Enough people will still believe them do they carry on regardless.

Also see Solzhenitsyn quote #1

322621 ▶▶▶ Spikedee1, replying to karenovirus, 2, #123 of 766 🔗

Was the same modelling too if memory serves?

322450 karenovirus, 6, #124 of 766 🔗

BBC R4 giving over 8-9am to Lewis Hamilton sharing his Crimbo musings so it’s off to the community radio station for me.

322455 Alias Margaret, replying to Alias Margaret, 12, #125 of 766 🔗

Listening to Boris’s Brexit deal press conference, he talks about tough measures now so that the virus can be defeated by the spring “At least that’s what the scientists are telling us and they seem confident in that “
Are we being prepared for numbers of positive tests going down rapidly in January because they will be using the LFTs instead of PCR? Et voila, lockdowns worked!

322459 ▶▶ Waldorf, replying to Alias Margaret, 8, #126 of 766 🔗

I think they will try to do that and then declare at least temporary victory. I don’t think they can keep this going forever. Even the British might rebel.
Toyah Wilcox’s vague hint about something happening in mid-January might have been the result of a tip-off. Anyway we will see.

322464 ▶▶▶ TC, replying to Waldorf, 3, #127 of 766 🔗

If Toyah W is tipping off then whatever it is will presumably be known to the spooks unless they’re just as incompetent as the rest of government.
But I live in hope thaty there will be more widespread protest and not just a simmering resentment.
As the american comedian Rich Hall said:”When the British get really angry..they write a letter”.

322471 ▶▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to Waldorf, 4, #128 of 766 🔗

They can’t keep it going because they can’t afford the same money next financial year. No more goodies. Cash gone.

322547 ▶▶▶▶ Les Tricoteuses, replying to Nick Rose, 4, #129 of 766 🔗

They’ll just print more.
40% of all US dollars in circulation printed this year!

323086 ▶▶▶ crimsonpirate, replying to Waldorf, 1, #130 of 766 🔗

Interesting this came from Toyah. I remember 20 years ago her husband wrote on his online diary that she was so ill with flu he had a doctor do a home visit. The doctor told him that the flu that year was so deadly he had to make decisions on which patients to save. Armed with this knowledge I remember the occasional story at the same time of temporary morgues-a story referenced several times here.

322468 ▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Alias Margaret, 3, #131 of 766 🔗

How long have you been following the science bozo ? Hasn’t worked so far has it you Sausage Roll.

322479 ▶▶▶ Ovis, replying to karenovirus, 4, #132 of 766 🔗

Johnson is not an innocent bumbling victim of naughty scientists, though he is obviously preparing that defence.

322485 ▶▶▶▶ Cecil B, replying to Ovis, 4, #133 of 766 🔗

Yes he is going to stab a whole raft of people in the back in 2021

If only they had told me he will say

322558 ▶▶▶▶▶ Ovis, replying to Cecil B, 2, #134 of 766 🔗

‘I’m just as angry as you are,’ he will say.

323083 ▶▶ crimsonpirate, replying to Alias Margaret, 2, #135 of 766 🔗

funny how the French were happy to lift the border closure on result of a negative LFT. If they were that concerned why not insist on PCR?

322456 p02099003, replying to p02099003, 3, #136 of 766 🔗

The “instant cure” with antibodies may explain the strange adverts that have been on the radio for the past few months, asking for males who have had CoViD19 to donate plasma as it could save lives. Why only males? Could the antibodies be rejected by the recipient?

322560 ▶▶ Nigel Sherratt, replying to p02099003, 1, #137 of 766 🔗

DJT’s will go for premium prices.

322618 ▶▶ djaustin, replying to p02099003, #138 of 766 🔗

The antibodies being tested were isolated from recovered patients. The cells are then cloned and produced in a bioreactor. They won’t be rejected by the recipient. Unlike the vaccine response and infection response, these are single clones. It is possible that a virus strain may mutate some the antibody does not bind. That is the case for one of the two antibody cocktails from Regeneron abs possibly this one too.

322463 l835, replying to l835, 38, #139 of 766 🔗

On the way to the operating theatre in Christmas Eve, I remarked to the Porter how quiet the hospital was “about normal” he replied, so catching up on the waiting list? “No, theatres are closed till Tuesday after you” many COVIDs in? “about10” (out of 500 beds)

So, as ever, if you really want to know what’s going on, ask someone who really knows!

322498 ▶▶ Charlie Blue, replying to l835, 6, #140 of 766 🔗

Hope your op went smoothly and wish you all the best for recuperation.

322521 ▶▶ ElizaP, replying to l835, 1, #141 of 766 🔗

Which hospital please? It is important that we have the full facts – as far as we can get at them.

322469 Cecil B, replying to Cecil B, 88, #142 of 766 🔗

I know it’s not everybody’s cup of tea but had a fantastic Christmas

Exactly the same as last year, except the village pub was not open

However hundreds of the villagers gathered outside the pub at lunchtime with their bottles, cans and glasses. Hugs, handshakes and kisses. Huge smiles on everyone’s faces

Not a mask in sight

People driving or walking by waved, clapped, or tooted their horns

Then lunch with the OH, children and grandchildren

No Stasi around

322481 ▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Cecil B, 14, #143 of 766 🔗

Excellent Cecil, middle England at its finest.

322500 ▶▶ arfurmo, replying to Cecil B, 6, #144 of 766 🔗

Will the pub survive to be open next Xmas? Loads won’t.

322522 ▶▶▶ Cecil B, replying to arfurmo, 8, #145 of 766 🔗


1 Follow the rules go bankrupt

2 Open, make some money to hide away. Don’t pay the fines or the rates, bills, etc. Go bankrupt. Disappear with the loot

322586 ▶▶ Annie, replying to Cecil B, 5, #146 of 766 🔗

Cheers, Cecil! Hope you drank confusion to Dungford and his Supreme Coviet.

322473 James Leary #KBF, 59, #147 of 766 🔗

I see they’re using lateral-flow tests for the poor sod lorry drivers to try to clear the Macronic backlog quickly.

The government’s got form in this area. They use CPI for whenever the Treasury is handing out rate increases to the plebs, but the higher RPI when upping their own pensions and payments.

So – if you want speed in reducing a Covid problem, you use lateral flow, but if you want numbers to justify the scam, you use the PCR.

And nobody need ever notice.

322477 Tim Bidie, replying to Tim Bidie, 4, #148 of 766 🔗

How to explain the widespread, often mulish, obeisance to idiocy: lockdowns, militant maskism etc?

Neo McCarthyism?

1. The political practice of publicizing accusations of disloyalty or subversion with insufficient regard to evidence;

2. The use of methods of investigation and accusation regarded as unfair, in order to suppress opposition.

(The American Heritage Dictionary)

Militant lockdown has many similar characteristics: accusations of disloyalty replaced by accusations of ‘killing grandma’, similarly scant regard for evidence, suppression of online opposition; so, strikingly similar in many respects

The Washington Post agrees:

‘Today’s “cancel culture” is nothing more than McCarthyism in a woke costume.’

And the best argument, the clincher, against militant lockdown is that used against McCarthy:

‘The Army-McCarthy hearings….Army counsel Joseph Welch demanding to know: “Have you no sense of decency, sir, at long last?”

But McCarthyism lives on:

‘As recently as 2003, conservative provocateur Ann Coulter (an on-again, off-again Trump ally) published the book ‘Treason’, arguing that McCarthy was right and his critics were not only wrong but, as the title suggests, traitorous.’


So this total weird out will, in one sense, never go away, because it is, in fact, like McCarthyism, a symptom of something if possible even more sinister:

‘Fundamentalist movements are most active and culturally apparent whenever there are periods in which radical political, social or economic changes cause cultural trauma in a nation as a whole or in smaller institutions or communities.4 These changes threaten to devastate treasured personal and cultural identities and respected moral values. Feelings of bewilderment and frustration result. People then search for quick explanations of what is happening and ways out of their overwhelming confusion. The atmosphere is ready for the unsophisticated solutions offered by fundamentalist populist and often demagogic leaders.’

Lockdown sceptics themselves should be cautious:

‘Not uncommonly, fundamentalists develop paranoid fantasies about the dangers their movements face…..’

But the antidote is within the sceptical movement in good measure:

‘Fundamentalists cannot live with ambiguities because they demand impossible certitudes. There is little humor in their lives; they take themselves far too seriously. This is why the gift of authentic humor is necessary. People with an authentic gift of humor and self-mockery have a healthy skepticism’


The facts are all on the sceptical side, as is the humour.

The outcome is not in doubt:

‘All good people agree,
And all good people say,
All nice people, like Us, are We
And every one else is They:
But if you cross over the sea,
Instead of over the way,
You may end by (think of it!) looking on We
As only a sort of They !’

Rudyard Kipling

322491 ▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Tim Bidie, 2, #149 of 766 🔗

There was some discussion on McCarthyism here yesterday and I later came across this on my YouTube feed.
Seems McCarthyism was a replay of what happened after WW1.

(The museum and YouTube channel is American).

322480 Cecil B, replying to Cecil B, 12, #150 of 766 🔗

Yesterday a German billionaire announced ‘You are not alone’

Really? When were you last round here helping out then?

322549 ▶▶ Nigel Sherratt, replying to Cecil B, 1, #151 of 766 🔗

£350 million, 372= on Times Rich List 2020.


Calling her German is a bit ‘one-drop rule’.

322484 Julian, replying to Julian, 12, #152 of 766 🔗

Christmas highlights:

Eating, drinking and walking with my close, sceptic, family

Facilitating the reunion of a sceptic mother and daughter who’d been separated by distance

Getting the game “Herd Mentality” from a sceptical family member

I feel for any sceptics whose families are being divided by this madness and hope they can find some sceptics to spend time with; it’s important to stay sane and healthy

I was perplexed by TY’s comments on the Queen’s Christmas message. I didn’t watch it, but from what I’ve read it sounds pretty disappointing. She’s always seemed like a natural stoic, but we really needed her to show stoicism in the face of the virus and not in the face of lies and tyranny and madness. I like to think I’m not one of life’s complainers and people who are get on my nerves, but it’s one thing being stoic in the face of things you can do nothing about (rain, illness) and quite another tolerating hysteria because you don’t want to seem churlish.

322493 ▶▶ Ovis, replying to Julian, 4, #153 of 766 🔗

I am glad you had what sounds like a good day, Julian. I always appreciate your comments on here.

Agree re: the speech.

322525 ▶▶ mjr, replying to Julian, #154 of 766 🔗

watch C4 “the Alternative christmas speech ” for an antidote

322591 ▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to Julian, 4, #155 of 766 🔗

Glad you had a good Christmas Julian and well said.

Regarding the speech: I so agree with you and I had to grit my teeth when she mentioned “kindness” because I’ve really not seen much of that this year. I know we have to be kind and all that but I’ve reached the point where I would be more than happy to shoot or hack to death someone who goes on about “kindness” or “be kind.”

322486 Bart Simpson, 6, #156 of 766 🔗

As I mentioned yesterday, had to listen to the Queen’s speech instead rather than watch it because it was depressing to see pictures of masks, anti-social distancing and the NHS. This is not to detract from the Duchess of Cambridge’s project which will be a historical record of a time that this country went collectively insane but it would have possibly been better for Her Majesty to be speaking throughout and not have those depressing images that don’t exactly inspire hope but rather remind us of how the government is destroying the bonds that hold society together.

And would have rather listened to the choir of St George’s Chapel in the end. Or a local school than the NHS. I was baffled as to why they were wearing their scrubs. Is that not allowed for health and safety reasons?

One disloyal thought I had was they could have saved themselves the trouble this year and just replayed the last bit of George VI’s Christmas speech in 1939.

322488 swedenborg, replying to swedenborg, 13, #157 of 766 🔗

Quite a good sort article about travel bans which were never in the earlier pandemic influenza plans. Could only work very temporary at huge cost in island nations. For a respiratory virus when border closures it is already inside the country.


“If a virus has mutated into an even more transmissible form, that can mean that the virus has become less lethal. This also means that mitigation and suppression pseudoscience measures, such as lockdowns, masks, curfews, and the like have even less of a chance of working this time around, given that they did not work to slow or stop the spread with a less transmissible variant.
“Before corona madness, anyone who advocated for a travel ban to stop seasonal influenza or the common cold would have been laughed out of the room. The discourse surrounding “stopping the spread” of a virus has become so nonsensical and pointless, yet at the same time, these people and organizations are credentialed as “experts,” when their record of absolute failure would demonstrate otherwise.

322506 ▶▶ karenovirus, replying to swedenborg, 4, #158 of 766 🔗

Worse than being laughed out of the room those proposing travel bans were selectively accused of racism.

322489 George Mc, replying to George Mc, 20, #159 of 766 🔗

Today will be fun. We had grannies staying overnight and planned to take them home …. (pause for menacing music) on Boxing Day! We have a cunning plan involving a fake illness last night. But I can see the scene:

Road block, guards, vicious dogs, machine guns athwart the barbed wire fence.

“Unt vare arr you goink?”

(We go into the spiel about illness)

“Oh I don’t ssink sso! Pleeesss ask ze lady to step outsssside unt vee vill strip search herrr!”

At which point we suddenly slam on the accelerator and crash the barricades whilst machine gun fire rattles out on us – all accompanied by the strains of The Great Escape!

322534 ▶▶ Fingerache Philip, replying to George Mc, 3, #160 of 766 🔗

And may I suggest Thunderclap Newman’s “Something in the air”?

322629 ▶▶ Spikedee1, replying to George Mc, 2, #161 of 766 🔗

Dont forget the Jedi mind trick, theses are not the old people you are looking for, you can go on your way!! Works on the weak of mind, well that’s our police description innit?

322494 Ianric, replying to Ianric, 53, #162 of 766 🔗

There is one massive elephant in the room with regards to the current situation. Imagine there were endless stories on the internet, the media and from government about microwaves catching fires and we were constantly bombarded with the message there was a huge problem with this. The government passes a law making it illegal to use microwaves and they must be sent away for repair. Microwaves spend months in repair centres and microwaves are eventually returned there are restrictions on what days people can use microwaves, they can’t be used after a certain time, there are limits on how many minutes microwaves can be used and the type of foods people can put in them. The restrictions vary from one part of the country to another. Some parts of the country go through periods when microwaves have to be handed in for repair again. This causes inconvenience as microwaves can be very handy. This message bears no relation to reality. Nobody knows anyone whose microwaves has caught fire, there are no burnt buildings everywhere and the fire brigade has no records of large numbers of fires caused by microwave.

Does anyone feel the above scenario is similar to what is happening with covid. We have relentlessly been bombarded with the message by the the internet, the media and government we are in a deadly pandemic and there is a dangerous disease out there killing people or if they survive making them severely ill. All kind of draconian laws have been introduced. We are constantly told there is a major crisis. As far as I can see this bears no relation to what is happening in the real world. I don’t see people dying in droves or becoming severely ill and I constantly hear about people who don’t know anyone with covid. Businesses that are open are functioning perfectly and we don’t see businesses unable to operate due to staff shortages caused by staff dying or having to take time off work due to temporary illness. If it wasn’t for the hysteria created by the internet, the media and governments, you wouldn’t notice we were in a pandemic. What makes me furious is that draconian laws which have destroyed our economy and society have been introduced for a problem which doesn’t seem to exist.

Does anyone feel that the message we are given by the internet, media and government bears no relation to what is happening in the real world and the pandemic only exists in theory.

322507 ▶▶ kh1485, replying to Ianric, 21, #163 of 766 🔗

Yes, The internet/media has such a hold on people that they now do not trust what they see with their own eyes. It’s like when people ask what is the weather is doing and then they look at their phone instead of looking out of a window.

322597 ▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to kh1485, 10, #164 of 766 🔗

And don’t forget anti-social media too with subliminal messages about conformity and virtue signalling.

322513 ▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Ianric, 9, #165 of 766 🔗

A medic tried to tell me that our and two neighbouring major hospitals are ‘overwhelmed with covid’; I didn’t disagree but couldn’t help thinking
‘how come nobody is dying and we are still in tier 2 ?’.

322841 ▶▶▶ Jo Dominich, replying to karenovirus, 6, #166 of 766 🔗

The problem with this is they have been told to pump out that narrative as that Senior NHS person on TalkRadio said. His Managers had told him to say that. They are towing the Party line no more no less because they know it’s not true!

322916 ▶▶▶▶ Hattie, replying to Jo Dominich, 4, #167 of 766 🔗

Then those NHS staff are equally complicit in the deaths and illness that are a direct result of these draconian lockdowns. I was just following orders has never been a get out.

322579 ▶▶ Annie, replying to Ianric, 10, #168 of 766 🔗

Absolutely. But the sheeple zombies are convinced that Other People Mean Covid and Covid Means Instant Death.
And the earth is flat and ships sailing over the horizon drop off into the void.

322606 ▶▶ Tee Ell, replying to Ianric, 4, #169 of 766 🔗

“Does anyone feel the above scenario is similar to what is happening with covid”

It doesn’t go with my experience personally, as (to borrow from the analogy) I know of a fair few microwaves that have gone up in flames.

I don’t think a few microwaves exploding would warrant a diktat banning ovens and all eating full stop though.

322634 ▶▶ Spikedee1, replying to Ianric, 2, #170 of 766 🔗

Yes and your published testing numbers. Are you saying these people got a test on Christmas eve and then got a test on Christmas day? Where did these numbers of cases come from? And that’s with one of your super test facilities out of action.

322854 ▶▶▶ Ianric, replying to Spikedee1, 2, #171 of 766 🔗

Another massive elephant in the room is where these cases have come from. Below is a link from a facebook site showing empty test centres and my replies when I sent a question have people seen other empty test centres.

“As per the link from facebook, it is mentioned that a covid test centre is empty. I raised the issue of a empty testing sites on a site called lockdown skeptics and the below are the responses I received. The justification used for draconian regulations is that cases are going up but empty test sites raises the issue where positive test results are coming from if test centres are empty. Can you provide the following information for positive tests results for coronavirus which were done from the 1st of September until the 23rd of October throughout the whole of the UK

In which centres were these tests carried out
How many attended each day in the period I requested.
How many positive results were obtained each day.


12 days ago
I was reading a post on an anti lockdown Facebook site and it was pointed out by the author they had been past Covid test sites which were empty and the question was raised where cases are coming from if testing sites are empty. Have you been past testing sites and found them empty. Do you think the government is lying about positive test cases.




11 days ago
Reply to Ianric
Do you think the Pope is a Catholic?




12 days ago
Reply to Ianric
This has frequently been reported at LS, there is a clear view of our test station and it is always empty except for staff in hi viz bibs.




12 days ago
Reply to karenovirus
I passed within 10 metres of the drive-in testing station at Bidston Moss in Merseyside, yesterday. You know, the place where the cases are allegedly going through the roof. Not a single car in the queue. Meeters-and-greeters sitting on picnic chairs chatting to each other. Not a single car in the queue. NOT A SINGLE FUCKING ONE!
We are being lied to (even more than normal).



As of today there are currently 2,221,312 cases in the UK. On what day were these tests carried out and where. There are vast numbers of cases but where are the sick people? Why are our hospitals not overwhelmed with sick people and we don’t see vast numbers of sick and dying people. Going back to microwave anology. Imagine we were given huge numbers for house fires caused by microwaves but there no burnt out houses around.

322840 ▶▶ Jo Dominich, replying to Ianric, 10, #172 of 766 🔗

This whole thing is just manufactured hysteria. The way I see it, the only time all these draconian laws should be passed is when shop assistants start dropping at work, people working in warehouses and other places start dropping and people drop in the streets. This is merely a respiratory virus with less lethality than the flu, it is airborne and doesn’t necessarily transmit via people in the kinds of numbers they are talking about. By my reckoning, if we take the fake stats being pumped out every day, we must all have it one way or another. But we don’t.

322877 ▶▶ Rowan, replying to Ianric, 3, #173 of 766 🔗

Yes, you are right, though some people on this site have been posting comments to the effect that Covid-19 is an out and out scam for some time now. Regrettably, most commenters on this site, have yet to grasp this very prickly nettle, even though they are well aware that the whole sorry business stinks to high heaven.

322495 George Mc, 3, #174 of 766 🔗

This will be the year of the Vax.

From H P Lovecraft’s “Herbert West Reanimator”:

‘…that very fresh body, at last writhing into full and terrifying consciousness with eyes dilated at the memory of its last scene on earth, threw out its frantic hands in a life and death struggle with the air; and suddenly collapsing into a second and final dissolution from which there could be no return, screamed out the cry that will ring eternally in my aching brain:

comment image “Help! Keep off, you cursed little tow-head fiend—keep that damned needle away from me!”’

322496 Smelly Melly, replying to Smelly Melly, 21, #175 of 766 🔗

When you look back in history you see some incredible stupidity and mistakes. Look at the Black Death, they killed the cats and dogs because it was thought they spread the disease, when in fact they needed more cats and dogs to kill the rats. I hope future generations will laugh at today’s generation and say they thought wearing a damp rag stopped viruses.

322529 ▶▶ Fingerache Philip, replying to Smelly Melly, 14, #176 of 766 🔗

The plague village of Eyam in Derbyshire famously sealed themselves off from the outside world but they knew even then in the 17th century that they would have to wait until the virus “burnt itself out”, unlike today where governments all over the world are delusional and arrogant in thinking that they can control it.

322540 ▶▶▶ Nigel Sherratt, replying to Fingerache Philip, 3, #177 of 766 🔗

Similar hubris with thermageddon.

322546 ▶▶▶ Smelly Melly, replying to Fingerache Philip, 6, #178 of 766 🔗

Thanks for that information, I looked Eyam up. Apparently the plague came to Eyam in a bundle of damp clothes, that were sent from a plague hit area.

I don’t believe history repeats itself, but does burp. I find it ironic that the plague hit Eyam through a bundle of damp rags. You couldn’t make this up.

322554 ▶▶▶▶ Sam Vimes, replying to Smelly Melly, 5, #179 of 766 🔗

That’s it!!! You have solved it! It’s people with fleas that are spreading the virus! We need mobile flea powder stations NOW!

322575 ▶▶▶ Annie, replying to Fingerache Philip, 4, #180 of 766 🔗

Eysm is the opposite of Sheepleland. In Eyam, they sacrificed themselves to keep others safe.

322580 ▶▶▶▶ Fingerache Philip, replying to Annie, 2, #181 of 766 🔗

Well worth a visit.

322600 ▶▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Fingerache Philip, 2, #182 of 766 🔗

Ancestors of the Eyam plague folk in California are said to be immune to AIDS, even after direct injection. Possibly surviving plague made them super immune.

322878 ▶▶▶▶ Binra, replying to karenovirus, 1, #183 of 766 🔗

As AIDS is not as advertised, a direct injection is not an issue.
An MD is on youtube seeking to wake up the population to the AIDS scam who took a blood sample from a confirmed AIDS sufferer and self injected. Not a Fauci Faux injection – but empting the vial.

Its a trick one to say but the parallels with AIDS are huge – and also with Polio. How could this be?
The assignment of a blanket umbrella term for a supposed disease that can be used to divert from toxic culpability, and generate a cover story that can then be used to divert attention and funding into a ‘new economy’ that once set up, can reframe the parameters of the disease, testing and diagnosis and claim victory for the pharmaceutical interventions – that always require more funding for more research for more leverage over the minds of its captive revenue stream.

To find we are in a sense ruled by manipulative deceits is disturbing and so diversion and displacement to covering stories is more ‘bearable’.
Narratives do not change the fact, but can redistribute meanings as a seeming mitigation of escape from awareness of what is going on.
IE: If someone else get blamed and penalised for your mistakes, they can be perceived as paying the cost of your sins, so that you can persist in sin and get others to pay.
Variations of this mindset come down the generations.
Externalising liabilities so as to maximise private profits.
Selling toxic debts as repackaged complex financial instruments of fraud.
Inducing the Carbon gullible to eat the corporate sins as if a virtue.
The whole are immune, because they are not seeking to inflate or cover over a sense of lack. Those who are aligned in wholeness are resilient to self-betrayals that mask as virtue.
Fear and control will seek to mask as ‘love, care and concern’, while love of truth will expose fears that would hide as a self-protective gesture. In the short term the former finds a sense of relief at a price. The latter passes through some form of hell or death but arises from a source of renewal.

322608 ▶▶▶ Whats gone wrong, replying to Fingerache Philip, 2, #184 of 766 🔗

Doesn’t our wonderful Health Secretary claim to have some familial connection to Eyam during the plague? An Elizabeth Hancock who lived there at the time lost her six children and husband to the disease.

I wouldn’t take his word for anything though.

322652 ▶▶▶▶ Bugle, replying to Whats gone wrong, 2, #185 of 766 🔗

Did he cry about it?

322654 ▶▶▶▶▶ Fingerache Philip, replying to Bugle, 1, #186 of 766 🔗

Probably, in retrospect.

322653 ▶▶▶▶ Fingerache Philip, replying to Whats gone wrong, 2, #187 of 766 🔗

Hopefully not as EH dragged all of her family to a tiny cemetery that she built herself to bury them one by one.
The site exists to this day.

322780 ▶▶▶▶ dhid, replying to Whats gone wrong, 4, #188 of 766 🔗

An Elizabeth Hancock who lived there at the time lost her six children and husband to the disease.”

But young Matt survived and is still with us today at 360 years of age…unfortunately…..

322695 ▶▶ TyRade, replying to Smelly Melly, 5, #189 of 766 🔗

I think ms Sarong at the BBC’s diversity boondoggle department has now ruled that ‘Black Death’ must heretofore be called ‘Death of Colour’.

322499 tonyspurs, replying to tonyspurs, 30, #190 of 766 🔗

Aggghhhhhh I facetimed with a very good pal of mine we’ve been very close friends for 20 years but since I’ve moved away don’t see each other much but we keep in touch , anyway so we facetime and as the video opens there he is with his wife wearing fucking facemasks in their own house on Christmas Day!! his wife tells me she tested positive for Covid and they’re wearing masks to protect their children ! my mate said to me ” I can see by your face you want to rant about the masks but as you know our youngest has asthma” I just wished them merry Christmas and said we will catch up later ..not sure it will be anytime soon though

322501 ▶▶ straightalkingyorkshireman, replying to tonyspurs, 10, #191 of 766 🔗

That’s how far its gone. It’s gonna be a long haul back.

322505 ▶▶ George Mc, replying to tonyspurs, 5, #192 of 766 🔗

Can’t argue with the PCR Ouija boards!

322512 ▶▶ dhid, replying to tonyspurs, 17, #193 of 766 🔗

Yes It’s amazing isn’t it. I’ve taken to shaking my head and mouthing “idiot” at people on their own in cars wearing damned masks, some quite young adults.

My neighbour (anti mask in 70s) and I have discussed it at length, and we’re sure the likes of the BBC are responsible for the older non tech savvy just trusting what they are told.

With younger people they just don’t seem to have the attention span to do any real research of their own and most simply buy into the sheeple mentality.

322533 ▶▶ stefarm, replying to tonyspurs, 9, #194 of 766 🔗

Morning, merry Christmas to you all. I was tagged into a WhatsApp group chat yesterday. Some ex-colleagues and golf buddies. One of the group (might be the same chap ☺️ ) shared a selfie of himself on his sofa wearing a mask. He has ‘it’…. lots of cringy replies, ‘get well soon’, ‘take care’ etc I deleted it straight away. Virtue signalling at its worst, or best whatever way you look at it.

Assuming he has symptoms at the very least he has a bad cold. Other years it wouldn’t be mentioned and would be a small inconvenience and a good excuse to gave a few hot toddies.

322596 ▶▶▶ karenovirus, replying to stefarm, 2, #195 of 766 🔗

Wot about ‘stay safe’ ? Heartless brutes your WhatsApp mates are.

322642 ▶▶▶ Spikedee1, replying to stefarm, 4, #196 of 766 🔗

I think my question might be why are you wearing a mask if you have “it”? Because it obviously did nothing to stop you getting “it” and the people you are living with have been exposed to you already!

322649 ▶▶ Silke David, replying to tonyspurs, 3, #197 of 766 🔗

I am so sorry for these people that they do not realise they breath in more virus and potentially can make themselves seriously ill.

The Heinsberg study of a small town in Germany which had an outbreak in early March showed that infection within families, especially to children, rarely happened.
I have included a link:
Heinsberg Study results published — Universität Bonn (uni-bonn.de)

323069 ▶▶ Cheshirecatslave, replying to tonyspurs, 1, #198 of 766 🔗

When I was a small child with asthma my parents wore masks if they had colds. I caught them regardless.

322502 George L, replying to George L, 15, #199 of 766 🔗

Lockdown sceptics community .. the greatest threat all of us face is mandatory vaccination with a rushed untested vaccine. There is absolutely no need whatsoever for this with a 99.97% Corona recovery rate for the majority, and overall mortality for the year at normal levels. https://www.euromomo.eu/graphs-and-maps/

The bringing forth of the criminal Tony Blair to promote this vaccine should raise anybody’s suspicions to high alert. Please watch the clip below, and make up your own minds. I think you’ll see exactly why this vaccine is being pushed so hard. It ties in directly with Bill Gates ID2020 and Klaus Schwab’s Transhumanism game plan. Total control of the worlds population by a tiny minority.


322627 ▶▶ John001, replying to George L, 6, #200 of 766 🔗

It’s getting sinister. I can just about see the value and cost-benefit of vaccination against very dangerous or disabling diseases like polio, rabies, a few more. But against this … or flu?

I’m 66, very healthy and take nearly as much vitamin D as Dr Fauci (he uses 6,000 IU/day) to keep my immune system working well. BTW if someone could prove that he was injected with saline solution, i.e. he really relies on the vitamin D, that would be a great news story.

I had routine jabs in the past without questioning enough. Now I can see that the medical-industrial complex has the world in its grip. (The phrase was invented in 1969 it seems).

Well maybe not Tanzania which abandoned its COVID restrictions in May. I read a few online accounts by journalists who visited expecting mass graves and found … er … none, just it seemed normal numbers of burials.

322637 ▶▶▶ George L, replying to John001, 3, #201 of 766 🔗

It certainly is John, and the more I research the more I’m astounded by the advancement of medical technology, and that’s just the stuff that we are getting to hear about. A lot of which is financed through the military.

Do I think that TPTB would inject us with stuff.. absolutely.. and grin while doing it. People need to wake up at ‘warp speed’ and smell the control grid closing around them.

322503 CapLlam, replying to CapLlam, 23, #202 of 766 🔗

Had a lovely Christmas Day with my family yesterday and today it’s the turn of the in laws. We already have instructions on where to park so it doesn’t seem like we are all at the same house. Utter Madness as people will be doing the same. Bearing in mind that there will be two people who work in the emergency services at the in laws

My other half said to me before we aren’t breaking any rules are we?

I tried not to roll my eyes and explained it’s not the law only guidance and the police can’t come in unless invited by the owner or they have a search warrant.

He is usually pretty skeptical about it all but I think the constant messages from his mother about it have had an effect.

It should be an interesting day…

322514 ▶▶ karenovirus, replying to CapLlam, 8, #203 of 766 🔗

A good half of the cars on my quiet residential street were missing for at least part of yesterday.

322523 ▶▶▶ dhid, replying to karenovirus, 4, #204 of 766 🔗

When I visited my brother for lunch yesterday I was able to park easily with space to spare. Normally the street has been difficult to find a parking spot during all the lockdown rubbish. They must have all been somewhere else I guess. Lol.

322594 ▶▶▶▶ karenovirus, replying to dhid, 1, #205 of 766 🔗

Probably ignored the ‘batteries not included’ sign on the offsprings Xmas present.

322835 ▶▶▶▶▶ dhid, replying to karenovirus, 1, #206 of 766 🔗

Ah yes off to the local con. store for some very expensive batteries!

322519 ▶▶ dhid, replying to CapLlam, 7, #207 of 766 🔗

Your description of parking away from the house being visited, and others doing the same, put a picture in my mind of people passing each other along the whole street, looking furtively around before entering the “target” property.

We are living in mad times.

322504 swedenborg, replying to swedenborg, 6, #208 of 766 🔗

Gomes is another modeller and some would say using her models which suits your narrative is flawed. We know that Fergusson and Fauci claims 90 % herd immunity is needed  and Gomes early prediction was much lower. However, she was right in her first prediction stating the start of the seasonal wave in Spain. She now seems very optimistic and promise us a new paper very soon. She is dealing with modelling . Two mathematical models of the COVID-19 pandemic: one accounting for individual variation in susceptibility to infection; the other accounting for individual variation in exposure to infection (heterogeneous connectivity). For all its worth publishing her remarkable optimistic twitter thread.


322726 ▶▶ Tee Ell, replying to swedenborg, 2, #209 of 766 🔗

I really like her work / their approach. From the little I know, she doesn’t seem arrogant – happy to revise her position when required (which is a quality I worry some others lack). This twitter post seems like not much more than a teaser unfortunately, but hopefully we’ll see some positive news soon!

322509 George Mc, replying to George Mc, 21, #210 of 766 🔗

I think the sad fact is that so many of the public have been waiting their whole lives for this. I know one person who used to work with me and who lived for ratting everyone in. Since this virus lark started, she has been in ecstasy. Binoculars at the window, inch tape and scale calculator at the ready to see who’s too close to who etc.

322520 ▶▶ karenovirus, replying to George Mc, 9, #211 of 766 🔗

I thought the police complained about having too many of her sort during lockdown 1.

Hope you have some rusty shears for when the time is right.

322527 ▶▶▶ kh1485, replying to karenovirus, 13, #212 of 766 🔗

The police/Environmental Health couldn’t bloody wait to hightail it down to our shop when we had been dobbed in/photographed by some bastard tell-taler.

322573 ▶▶▶▶ Annie, replying to kh1485, 4, #213 of 766 🔗

You’ll know them by the shaven heads.

322844 ▶▶ Waldorf, replying to George Mc, 2, #214 of 766 🔗

Human garbage, in other words. I am surprised people like that die in their beds.

322510 Bugle, 22, #215 of 766 🔗

Thanks for the cartoons, Bob!

322517 karenovirus, replying to karenovirus, 8, #216 of 766 🔗

The stand alone teaching building at the hospital has been repurposed as ‘Vaccine Station’ complete with new fences and Security boxes.
Entry is via a portakabin labelled ‘assessment pod’.
Looks very sinister.

322524 ▶▶ kh1485, replying to karenovirus, 9, #217 of 766 🔗

I wish we could reclaim the (usually) innocuous words that have been hijacked for the corona crapfest.

322530 ▶▶▶ dhid, replying to kh1485, 10, #218 of 766 🔗

Yes “bubble” always seemed a fun sort of word somehow, not so now!

322531 ▶▶▶▶ kh1485, replying to dhid, 30, #219 of 766 🔗

I know, I wince now when customers go into some long explanation about how they are in the same ruddy “bubble”. I explain to them that I couldn’t give a toss and they can come in with whoever they like. Usually gets a horrified look in response!

322536 ▶▶▶▶▶ dhid, replying to kh1485, 5, #220 of 766 🔗

I was quite disappointed the Queen wasn’t actually in a bubble of some sort when she made her broadcast, as she and Phil were supposed to be in a bubble – with lots of flunkies I suppose – I can’t imagine she’s doing a fry-up later of the leftovers!

322541 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ kh1485, replying to dhid, 13, #221 of 766 🔗

Yeah, I had to laugh when they said the two of them would be alone. Yes ‘alone’ with hot and cold running servants.

322578 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ FenTyger, replying to dhid, 3, #222 of 766 🔗

Bubble & Squeak day!

322655 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ dhid, replying to FenTyger, 1, #223 of 766 🔗

Yep! Be starting some in an hour or so I think!

322585 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ karenovirus, replying to dhid, 6, #224 of 766 🔗

There was a bit of a press kerfuffle when some of the Sandringham staff refused to sacrifice their family Xmas to be in the Queens service bubble.
Let’s hope they enjoyed their one day single household Xmas after all.

322539 ▶▶▶▶▶ Wolver, replying to kh1485, 7, #225 of 766 🔗

Desperately trying to justify, to themselves, the crazy things they’re doing by looking for approval from you.

322551 ▶▶▶▶▶ Sam Vimes, replying to kh1485, 26, #226 of 766 🔗

Hello, I am brand new to this site. I am really excited by your information. Could you please tell me where I write to, to register my bubble members, so that the virus knows not to kill us? Obviously, it needs to have official notification, even I know that! Also, do we get a membership card to show to the virus? Thanks very much.

Yours safely, B. Edwetter

322552 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ kh1485, replying to Sam Vimes, 5, #227 of 766 🔗

You bugger, SV, just nearly splattered out my mouthful of tea …

322571 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Sam Vimes, replying to kh1485, 5, #228 of 766 🔗

My work here is done.

322741 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ George L, replying to Sam Vimes, 2, #229 of 766 🔗

Sorry Sam.. all options on bubbles sold out weeks ago..

322576 ▶▶▶▶ karenovirus, replying to dhid, 3, #230 of 766 🔗

At school ‘bubble’ was slang for Greek Cypriot refugee kids, not in a bad way.

322619 ▶▶▶▶▶ jonathan Palmer, replying to karenovirus, 1, #231 of 766 🔗

Bubble and Squeak
= Greek

322569 ▶▶▶ Annie, replying to kh1485, 6, #232 of 766 🔗

Pods are for peas.
And Thunderbird 2 equipment.

322577 ▶▶▶▶ Sam Vimes, replying to Annie, 3, #233 of 766 🔗

Oooohh, now then! 20 points for each pod that you can remeber the contents of. I’m only sure about Pod 4, that had TB4 in it. Was The Mole in Pod 1?
I’m resisting the urge to Google. 🙂

322587 ▶▶▶▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Sam Vimes, #234 of 766 🔗

The gay one up in the space station, always forget his name.

322662 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Sam Vimes, replying to karenovirus, #235 of 766 🔗

John, TB5.

322609 ▶▶▶▶▶ Al T, replying to Sam Vimes, 1, #236 of 766 🔗

They swapped around a bit but Thunderbird 4 was always Pod 4.

The Mole appeared from Pod 3 in two episodes and from Pod 5 in one.

The Firefly, a bulldozer thingy from Pod 3 or 6

There was an excavator or a lazer cutter in Pod 5.

A transmitter truck in Pod 6 which saves Thunderbird 3 in ‘Sun Probe’.

Pod 2 had electromagnetic Pod grabs

I’m certain there are others, the elevator cars for instance.

322663 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Sam Vimes, replying to Al T, 6, #237 of 766 🔗

If you are doing all that from memory, Mr T, you are desperately sad. And much to be admired 🙂

322815 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Al T, replying to Sam Vimes, 5, #238 of 766 🔗

Sadly, I’ve loved Thunderbirds and Captain Scarlet since the 60’s. I once won €100 in a quiz in a bar in Portugal for knowing that Captain Scarlet’s real name was Paul Metcalfe.

In fact, I wonder if Vallance and Whitty are actually dead but have been brought back to life under Mysteron control. Anyone seen the two green circles?

322917 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Sam Vimes, replying to Al T, 1, #239 of 766 🔗

Top man, I might just have got that. So, you know who Adam Svenson is, then, don’t you?

322938 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Al T, replying to Sam Vimes, #240 of 766 🔗

Captain Blue. Seymour Griffiths?

323127 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Sam Vimes, replying to Al T, #241 of 766 🔗

SG too good for me, had to look it up. I kneel before you, oh mighty T (not in a blm way). Wasn’t Capt Black called Karl something?

323139 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ crimsonpirate, replying to Sam Vimes, #242 of 766 🔗

looks like the Arsenal manager Mikel Arteta

322574 ▶▶▶ karenovirus, replying to kh1485, 1, #243 of 766 🔗

Hope you had a pleasant xmas Day kh

322584 ▶▶▶▶ kh1485, replying to karenovirus, 2, #244 of 766 🔗

Sadly not (too many people no longer here and all that …). I’m happy though to read that others managed as normal a Christmas as possible.

322526 ▶▶ SionnachAirgid, replying to karenovirus, 3, #245 of 766 🔗

Perhaps they’re testing for ‘pod people’?

322528 Biggles, replying to Biggles, 16, #246 of 766 🔗

Have to say that I had a very enjoyable day yesterday, the only disappointing aspect of it was that I didn’t manage to break any laws in doing so. Must try harder.

322532 ▶▶ dhid, replying to Biggles, 4, #247 of 766 🔗

If there aren’t any speed cameras you could always try driving at 35 mph in a 30 zone with no mask and the car window open, many will see you as reckless of course. Lol.

322535 ElizaP, replying to ElizaP, 18, #248 of 766 🔗

Oh dear – just went over to check out the latest bit of sheeple rubbish on a site that seems to have a lot of them posting right now (ie http://www.moneysavingexpert.com ) on a sub-forum called “Coronavirus support and help” and there’s a thread running at the moment of a sheeple shop assistant complaining about the numbers of people coming into the shop she works in (assuming it’s a woman – as it usually seems to be). Latest comment from another bedwetter in response being a complaint about the mask-wearers that aren’t wearing their masks properly (and, in some cases, it’s because they are bearded men and they should know a mask won’t “seal” properly if a man has a beard). LOL – one gets the very distinct impression that particular bedwetter is thinking “How dare bearded men keep their beards – don’t they know they should have shaved them off months ago and stay that way?”. As one can see – I’m a woman myself – so that doesn’t apply to me obviously. But, if I were a man, I think I’d deliberately grow a beard (which would be on show at every possible opportunity) as my response to that little bedwetter thought. Note to the men on this thread – get growing and we might be able to identify you are “one of us” more easily LOL.

322543 ▶▶ mjr, replying to ElizaP, 3, #249 of 766 🔗

already there .. my beard has got longer as the year has gone on.

not long enough for this though

or this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0JjivWyOXbE

sad thing was , when searching for the clips (i had seen them before months ago) i found loads of serious videos about how to wear masks with beards

322572 ▶▶ karenovirus, replying to ElizaP, 4, #250 of 766 🔗

One of the positive aspects of lockdown .1 was the disappearance of hipster beaver beards, no doubt too difficult to maintain without £40.00 trips to the boutique barber.

322582 ▶▶▶ SionnachAirgid, replying to karenovirus, 4, #251 of 766 🔗

I’m still awaiting the disappearance of hipsters..

322643 ▶▶▶ Silke David, replying to karenovirus, 3, #252 of 766 🔗

Saw 2 items in the alternative media yesterday how politicians either had hairdressers/barbers visits during lockdown, or how they always appeared well groomed and one has to assume they had professional service.

322588 ▶▶ Al T, replying to ElizaP, 7, #253 of 766 🔗

Sadly, my attempts at facial hair have been and remain, risible. it is a source of constant disappointment.

But my face remains maskless.

My wife tells me that, at my age (56) I should be grateful to still have hair on my head. I guess she’s right.

322598 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to ElizaP, 3, #254 of 766 🔗

The NHS staff were asked rid themselves of beards in March, I know of one guy who refused and was called to a meeting to discuss it with seniors. Laughable

322691 ▶▶ DomW, replying to ElizaP, 5, #255 of 766 🔗

Already there! My beard went full hobo several years ago and has progressed from there during 2020. Since lockdown started back in March I’ve had it tidied up just once, when the barbers were first allowed to open.

There isn’t a muzzle in the world that could create a seal when faced with this much facial hair.

I rarely get challenged and like to think this is in part due to the beard and the old and slightly shabby (but practical) clothing I choose, which together give me that special “care in the community” look.

322930 ▶▶▶ George L, replying to DomW, #256 of 766 🔗

I’m the same, but my look is.. say anything and you’ll get a smack in the mouth..

322710 ▶▶ Tee Ell, replying to ElizaP, #257 of 766 🔗

A tightly coiffed barbe blocks all known pathogens.

322537 Binra, #258 of 766 🔗

Why are ‘cases’ still used as a linguistic currency for pcr test results?
At the very least have a boilerplate reminder that unless specified as clinical illness, ‘Cases’ is being used to indicate something real, from meaningless test procedures’.

The psychologist link’s suggestion of joining in hate (ie seeking to establish a mask of unity in mutual denigration of 5g critics) reveals a hidden agenda.

You cannot convert anyone against their will or by deceit – (but that you join in a mutually manipulative entanglement with them).
But you can seek and find common values, appreciations, blessings and shared worth.
The resort to the negative or feared and hated as a source of meaning or identity is the PROBLEM. Don’t feed your habit or seek to use another to get your fix of reinforcement for a masking persona set in self-evasion. Own your fears. Others may see and appreciate your willingness to honestly voice fears. Context is everything.
Convert your negatively framed world to a willingness for shared blessings. But first released it of the curse of your own convictions.

322538 Marialta, replying to Marialta, 12, #259 of 766 🔗

Professor John Edmunds (Sage) on the Today programme stated that the vaccination programme will have little impact on transmission until large numbers of younger people are vaccinated. This is because the elderly and frail in the priority group do not have many contacts and so don’t mix. I hadn’t thought this one through before. It will take ages to get down to the younger people.

This is crucial as I now think Boxing Day next year will be in same hole as we are now. We can protest all we like but they’ve got us by the short and curlies.

322544 ▶▶ dpj, replying to Marialta, 9, #260 of 766 🔗

Is it not more likely that as a large majority of these ‘young people’ will probably have immunity already their age group will reach ‘herd immunity’ (by original WHO definition) long before they have got vaccine?
Another example of the taboo subject of natural immunity being ignored by a so called expert.

322548 ▶▶▶ Ovis, replying to dpj, 21, #261 of 766 🔗

Already happened a long time ago. The pandemic is over. Rona ceased to be relevant months back.

322633 ▶▶▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to Ovis, 20, #262 of 766 🔗

Was over in May. Without a lockdown, over in April.

322674 ▶▶▶▶ straightalkingyorkshireman, replying to Ovis, 4, #263 of 766 🔗

Yes agreed it was over months ago, it’s all about control now. Has to be when you look at the facts and figures. Question is, are those in power really that arrogant and stupid to admit their mistakes, or is there really a sinister agenda behind it all?

322735 ▶▶▶▶▶ George L, replying to straightalkingyorkshireman, 1, #264 of 766 🔗

There is very much a sinister agenda to it.. this is no mistake.

322892 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Binra, replying to George L, 1, #265 of 766 🔗

I decided to look up sinister (left in Latin).
Then sinistral as left handed chirality.
The death spiral operating a world in which “Everything is BACKWARDS; everything is upside down! Doctors destroy health, Lawyers destroy justice, Universities destroy knowledge, Governments destroy freedom, Major media destroys information, And religions destroy spirituality”. Michael Ellner

322923 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ George L, replying to Binra, #266 of 766 🔗

That pretty much sums it up then..

322555 ▶▶▶ Marialta, replying to dpj, 12, #267 of 766 🔗

What they want is for everyone to be vaccinated as they have refused to engage with notion of any herd immunity except through their injections. If they continue this mass testing of young people with PCR they will inevitably pick up some viral fragments and so it will go on and on,

322564 ▶▶▶ karenovirus, replying to dpj, 10, #268 of 766 🔗

Yup, out of 6,000 students tested before going home for crimbo from our local University just 3 tested positive (probably false).
This despite hundreds of them being positive at the start of term and widespread reports of them mingling and partying as students will.

Clearly all been there done that had the Covid.

322640 ▶▶▶ Silke David, replying to dpj, 4, #269 of 766 🔗

I came a cross a video yesterday from a Owen Jones, columnist for the guardian , looks like he’s 22y old, but 36, argues like a toddler. He was to talking to Hitchens. Hitchens had a lot of patience for this toddler rubbish.
Owen claimed earlier Lockdown in March could have saved deaths.
My argument exactly, the elderly had been “shielding” already, they did not go to Pubs, shopping, work, are in school, university etc. And it was not the young one taking it into hospital and into care homes!
It might have been linked here before, if your blood pressure can take it, it is quite fun to watch Owen embarrass himself.


322683 ▶▶▶▶ Marialta, replying to Silke David, 1, #270 of 766 🔗

Brendan O’Neill has always exposed him to great effect @ Spiked and on his Instagram. Particularly as Jones loves to pose as the working class spokesman.

322721 ▶▶▶▶▶ Boris Bullshit, replying to Marialta, 1, #271 of 766 🔗

I doubt if many working class people identify with Owen. Has he started shaving yet?

322730 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ George L, replying to Boris Bullshit, #272 of 766 🔗

I did note a bit of bum-fluff the other day..

323145 ▶▶▶▶ crimsonpirate, replying to Silke David, #273 of 766 🔗

I think Toby has reserved a special place in hell for Owen Jones. There was one London Calling podcast where Toby imagined coming across an unemployed Owen. Jolly funny it was.

322559 ▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Marialta, #274 of 766 🔗

The irony of that statement by John Edmunds defies belief.

322567 ▶▶ George L, replying to Marialta, 2, #275 of 766 🔗

Take a look at this message from Mr Steiner. Just a little prick does the trick..

322650 ▶▶ Spikedee1, replying to Marialta, 4, #276 of 766 🔗

And there was the report yesterday from schools (I think in the states, sorry too much red wine yesterday) that no kids have passed the virus onto an adult it was always the other way around. But the amounts were tiny for transmission. We need to get these arsehats from SAGE and string them all up.

322670 ▶▶▶ George L, replying to Spikedee1, 1, #277 of 766 🔗

Spike they are after the children. They’ve always been their goal.

322687 ▶▶▶▶ Marialta, replying to George L, 1, #278 of 766 🔗

Agreed! I’ve been saying this for a while. It’s probably the ugliest aspect of the whole thing for me. Blame the children and enforce mass testing so they believe that they are all carriers of an illness!

322690 ▶▶▶▶▶ Marialta, replying to Marialta, 1, #279 of 766 🔗

I’m thinking about the future of this site. If we had some SAGE people coming on to debate us maybe we could get further …. what do people think? We can’t just go on for months agreeing with each other…

322737 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Sam Vimes, replying to Marialta, 2, #280 of 766 🔗

This is one of the few places that you will find genuine sage advice.

322899 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Binra, replying to Sam Vimes, #281 of 766 🔗

Some, but can be seen as a kettled and captive identity reinforcement.
No disrespect to anyone here or those who run it – but this is also how the mind operates.

322772 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Charlie Blue, replying to Marialta, #282 of 766 🔗

They wont’ debate with esteemed colleagues – no way they would bother with us. I know what you mean, but as this continues I think I will need to hear from people who agree with me and share my concerns more than ever.

322898 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Binra, replying to Marialta, #283 of 766 🔗

The fronting uses useful idiots (no disrespect intended) to cover for a manipulated agenda or outcome.
The Underlying grip on ‘power’ is where fear and control play two sides of one false currency.

322673 ▶▶ Tom Blackburn, replying to Marialta, 2, #284 of 766 🔗

What he’s basically saying is that he is a zero Covid nob head.

322727 ▶▶▶ George L, replying to Tom Blackburn, 2, #285 of 766 🔗

Jeez I love the term nob head, except I spell mine with a k.. ha ha..

322777 ▶▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to George L, 1, #286 of 766 🔗

I think, to be pedantic, it’s a one-word thingy i.e. knobhead !

322819 ▶▶▶▶▶ George L, replying to JohnB, #287 of 766 🔗

JohnB.. you are right!

322763 ▶▶ Julian, replying to Marialta, #288 of 766 🔗

Surely it is impact on deaths and serious illness that we care about, not transmission?

What a wanker he is.

322542 Cecil B, replying to Cecil B, 10, #289 of 766 🔗

There is a comment below that the Rapists Dad’s son (yes I know that makes him the rapist but I like getting the RD thing in) has been released from prison

He was sentenced to 8years 8months on 21st September 2018

In communist Wales the educational standards for maths are the lowest in Europe, who knew?

322556 ▶▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Cecil B, 2, #291 of 766 🔗

50% off for good behaviour so the lad can’t be all bad 🤣

322565 ▶▶▶▶ Annie, replying to karenovirus, 2, #292 of 766 🔗

Unlike his dad.

322604 ▶▶▶▶ Cecil B, replying to karenovirus, 2, #293 of 766 🔗

Pedant alert

2 years 4 months is not 50% of 8 years 8 months

A prize to the first person who comes up with the correct percentage

322623 ▶▶▶▶▶ GiftWrappedKittyCat, replying to Cecil B, 2, #294 of 766 🔗

27%. What’s my prize? Early release from Turdgeon’s tier 4? Box of choccies? An end to the madness? 😉

322632 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Silke David, replying to GiftWrappedKittyCat, 2, #295 of 766 🔗

They should include this in the next maths GCSE.
“prove this statement is correct”

322679 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Cecil B, replying to GiftWrappedKittyCat, 2, #296 of 766 🔗

You are immediately elevated to tier 8 without passing go

322669 ▶▶▶▶▶ OKUK, replying to Cecil B, #297 of 766 🔗

26% to the nearest whole number?

322680 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Cecil B, replying to OKUK, #298 of 766 🔗

You are elevated to tier 9 without passing go

322830 ▶▶ Jo Dominich, replying to Cecil B, #299 of 766 🔗

As far as I am aware, for such a serious offence he has to serve at least 3/4 of his Sentence. How is he being released?

322561 Old Bill, replying to Old Bill, 21, #300 of 766 🔗

Here are my reasons for believing that nothing scepticism can do will ever influence the outcome of Coronagate.

1] Whilst the government continue to preach the covid catechism, their fiats control the entire playing field, all forms of media and police are theirs to do with as they wish. And the media and police control the people, and the people will unquestioningly protect their supposed protectors. Once Boris says ‘OK it’s over’ that control ends. Any meaningful media that is still left can start to ask if things were done well, badly or even malevolently. At that point Boris and Co. become endangered and therefore they will never take that step lightly.

2] The basis of the catechism is that ‘the science’ can control the virus. This is in itself an oxymoron because the catechism itself is not science, but religion. An overwhelming belief in the superiority of mankind and thus its right to prevail, is the basis of all religions not just covidism. Mankind is the ‘johnny come lately’ of evolution. Viruses are believed to have evolved at the dawn of the history of life, billions of years before mankind. Why should mankind be superior to such an ancient biological form? We aren’t. We must live with viruses far more than viruses must live with us, as they can adapt readily to parasitise many other forms of life. We cannot beat them, yet they can always adapt to beat us or even live without us.

3] You have recently witnessed the massive own goal that Boris-brain inflicted on his country – the ‘mutant’ virus, which would scare us all into compliance over Christmas and New Year. Except, what it actually did was to scare all our trading partners into closing their borders to us. So, imagine what would happen if the Fat Controller suddenly declared a ‘Unilateral Declaration of Common Sense’ and admitted that we can’t beat covid and have to live with it instead, when the rest of the world had not reached the same conclusion. Would the reaction not be the same again but a hundred times worse?

The lesson is this, Boris will not declare the war is over until he is ready to do so and he will not be ready to do so until everyone else is ready also. We live with this crap right up until that time comes.

322628 ▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to Old Bill, 5, #301 of 766 🔗

He (and the others) may have little choice. The money won’t last forever. Or even much longer.

322630 ▶▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to Nick Rose, #302 of 766 🔗

That said, I do follow your reasoning!

322636 ▶▶▶ kh1485, replying to Nick Rose, 3, #303 of 766 🔗

Is there any money left?

322658 ▶▶▶▶ Templeton, replying to kh1485, 3, #304 of 766 🔗

Not sure there was any to start with =/

322724 ▶▶▶▶▶ George L, replying to Templeton, #305 of 766 🔗

Its amazing what you can do with the Ctrl-Print button.. especially when its just numbers on a computer screen..

322666 ▶▶▶ dhpaul, replying to Nick Rose, 1, #306 of 766 🔗

Trouble is the money will take a long time to effectively run out. They can just keep printing more and more until you reach the stage that inflation increases to the point that the currency becomes worthless. Zimbabwe is a recent example. I still have a few of their banknotes from when I visited there in the 1980s, good for when we run out of toilet paper I suppose.

322668 ▶▶▶▶ Country Mumkin, replying to dhpaul, 1, #307 of 766 🔗

This is what will happen. Continuous printing and eventual collapse.

322718 ▶▶▶▶ George L, replying to dhpaul, #308 of 766 🔗

I think that’s the plan Paul..

322736 ▶▶▶▶ Ovis, replying to dhpaul, #309 of 766 🔗

Zimbabwe was an early convert to New Economic Theory. It worked well for them.

322672 ▶▶ Country Mumkin, replying to Old Bill, 1, #310 of 766 🔗

Point 3 was planned IMO. Food shortages are a good way to turn the screw and exert more control. He knows that very few will want to send food through to us now. This first two quarters of the year, IMO are going to be awful. Truly terrible. Im already having nightmares/premonitions.

I feel like I’m turning into a believer too, partly for protection and partly because I do not want to be carted off.

Sorry for depressing post x x

322731 ▶▶ Ovis, replying to Old Bill, #311 of 766 🔗

I agree with your analysis, especially Point 1.

This will go on until the sheep themselves butt the troll into the river. I have not entirely given up on that possibility, remote though it is.

322755 ▶▶ Andrew K, replying to Old Bill, #312 of 766 🔗

Point 3 is all aprt of the plan of financial reset. Boris knew exactly what would happen.

322760 ▶▶ Julian, replying to Old Bill, 3, #313 of 766 🔗

I think public opinion has been moving in our direction since the start, but probably too slowly to be in time to make a difference

But we should struggle on anyway

322912 ▶▶ Binra, replying to Old Bill, #314 of 766 🔗

The idea of sceptic is not ‘anti’ but withholding acceptance without further evidences or indeed convincing proofs.
In the absence of substance for the pretexts being used to manipulate the minds, and thus direct the funding (or the redistribution of wealth via manipulative deceits built into the system of control), I am free to release a poor of bad investment and open my mind to genuine questions and the uncovering of true substance.

Unless I am so captive to the deceit as to seek only within its frame.

There is a renewal and expansion of Consciousness that is most likely the underlying cause of the Resistance – as represented by the structures of the established order – who seek only to marketise and weaponise the new to leverage their seeming grip of possession and control.

Don’t wait for anyone else to change to live your life.
Even in the field of virology there are countless opportunities for a re-education – but who questions the narrative framing?
This site is largely free of news pertaining to the lack of veracity to the actual isolation of the presumed pathogenic cause. As with the world ‘pandemic’ the term ‘isolated’ has a special new meaning – that its devotees will cling to because otherwise the Model goes down. or in archaic term the idol must fall.
Sacrificing to the Idol or the Model is like sacrificing to save the system that says it protects you while actually delivering you unto evils. Such as The C.H.S now operating like HM GOV as a PPP.
Likewise the desperate (and desperately protected) belief in vaccinations as the only real bulwark against catastrophic reversal to disease and death, persists regardless ANY revealing of its role in the undermining of health. (Nor has it legitimate claim to have been the main or significant factor in the elimination of disease – see Dissolving Illusions by Suzanne Humphries for the statistics that demonstrate where the narratives are not supported by the graphs – any more than lockdowns and masks is legitimate as a means to change the statistical progression of a cold and flu cycle).

Virusmania is a good read – and so is Fear of the Invisible by Janine Roberts.
there have always been voices calling the sleeper to awaken – but that was unable to connect while the spell was deep set. The Medical Mafia is more forthright.
But as Laura Perrins noted in the first chat with Dellingpole; the more invested in the establishment the less free we are to critically question it.

No need to ‘beat’ covid. Indeed. The framing in war is a sure sign of a ‘mind capture’. If the idea takes a hold, all thinking will be in its frame.

322581 DRW, replying to DRW, 10, #315 of 766 🔗

Happy boxing day all, hope you enjoyed your Christmas day as best as you could.
Nice to see many out walking yesterday.

322601 ▶▶ SionnachAirgid, replying to DRW, 14, #316 of 766 🔗

My local beach was noticeably quieter than last year (similar weather), but I did at least find some heart..

322607 ▶▶▶ Cecil B, replying to SionnachAirgid, 1, #317 of 766 🔗

You need to get out more. Ooops!! you are out

322639 ▶▶▶▶ SionnachAirgid, replying to Cecil B, 1, #318 of 766 🔗

Umm ok..

322667 ▶▶▶ Country Mumkin, replying to SionnachAirgid, 1, #319 of 766 🔗

A special gift 💝

322828 ▶▶ Jo Dominich, replying to DRW, 1, #320 of 766 🔗

And to you as well. I went for an early morning walk in beautiful sunshine but it has since become windy and cold. However, I had a very peaceful, calm and good Christmas day. I’m usually abroad in a back packing hostel having fun and partying but this year, I watched a lovely midnight Mass from Bristol Cathedral and enjoyed peace throughout the day and today also.

I’m ready for the New Year fight ahead.

322593 Alias Margaret, 9, #321 of 766 🔗


”We are supposed to be prepared for a pandemic of some kind of influenza because the flu watchers, the people who make a living out of studying the virus and who need to attract continued grant funding to keep studying it, must persuade the funding agencies of the urgency of fighting a coming plague”

Professor Philip Alcabes in “Dread-How fear and fantasy have fuelled epidemics from the Black Death to the Avian flu, 2009.”

This was quoted in Paul Flynn’s report on the Swine flu, to the European parliamentary assembly.

Are you listening Boris?

322595 Cheezilla, replying to Cheezilla, 26, #322 of 766 🔗

Yesterday, I enjoyed a people-filled Christmas among my DiL’s extensive family. Four generations, including two people with terminal illnesses.
The kids had put the tv on to test out their new gadgets and I caught footage of all the lorries parked up, waiting to be allowed to go home to their own families for Christmas.
I literally wept for them.
This year, so much unnecessary cruelty has been inflicted on the many by the heartless few.

I hope you all had a good day.

322625 ▶▶ Felice, replying to Cheezilla, 27, #323 of 766 🔗

I cried last Saturday evening after Boris’s statement killing Christmas. Not because my own day would be ruined, but because I felt so helpless for all the people whose livelihoods would be destroyed by the announcements. The lorry drivers are yet another group to have been inflicted by the stupidity.

322774 ▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to Felice, 3, #324 of 766 🔗

I think it was Joe Hill who said ‘Don’t weep for me boys, organise !’.

322599 Jo, 6, #325 of 766 🔗

My friend sent me this

Bland sort of article, about adolescent mental health problems with lockdowns, nothing we on this site didn’t already know.
But I found many of the comments encouraging – it really looks as if a majority are sceptics. And interesting criticism of the FT’s stance as well.

322603 RickH, replying to RickH, 8, #326 of 766 🔗

The Mail Online article on a putative ‘superdrug’ (see above) is a fantastic illustration of what the general public are subjected to in terms of propaganda about PCR+ ‘cases’.

Look at how the fake casedemic numbers on the graph tower over the real viral outbteak of April, giving the impression of a massive threat hanging over the country.

Note the lack of reference to the one reliable indicator – ‘all-cause’ mortality, placed in context – with an absurd proportion of deaths attributed to ‘Covid’ alone.

322624 ▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to RickH, 8, #327 of 766 🔗

2k plus who actually died with covid as the cause, rather than the 68k who actually died from something else but happened to have covid as well. Or a PCR pos test.

322717 ▶▶▶ George L, replying to Nick Rose, 2, #328 of 766 🔗

Yeah, and even 2k is pushing it. A local farmer around our way shot himself five times in the back of the head and they said it was suicide brought on by covid..

322728 ▶▶▶▶ Sam Vimes, replying to George L, 2, #329 of 766 🔗

It’s always that fifth bullet that does it…

322816 ▶▶▶▶▶ George L, replying to Sam Vimes, #330 of 766 🔗

Sam.. that gave me a good laugh.. 🙂

322610 Stephensceptic, replying to Stephensceptic, 14, #331 of 766 🔗

On Christmas Eve I had a walk very early in the morning. Someone walked past me and pulled their mask over their nose when they were about ten feet away. Seriously. I believe he saw that as self protection. Cannot think he was protecting me in the way that all the mask devotees claim this is for. Today, someone was walking their dog in the middle of a field with a mask on. Reason seems to have evaporated.

The population is also clearly bifurcating. Many people still seem in a state of abject fear over this and are clutching to the “remedies” peddled by the useless government and mainstream media of masks, lock downs and avoid all other humans. For ever. On the other hand (for example) my landscape gardeners who were in and around the house the last few weeks clearly see this as overblown and did not wear masks. Ever. And they did not socially distance. These people do seem to be the minority though.

Things do increasingly resemble a religious cult. All reason has clearly been suspended in public discourse. The vaccine is then like a holy grail. It will even work, we are told, in the face of mutating viruses. Quite what it actually does and what the evidence really is for that seems obscure though.

Increasingly convinced this nonsense will not end soon. A large part of the population is in a state of fear. The government and media then feels that they ought to reinforce their fear. The government itself is deeply fearful of being blamed for any deaths and there are plenty of so called scientists such as Ferguson around who are keen to provide “evidence” to support all the fear. It’s in a kind of self perpetuating equilibrium. As ever in history, the people stirring the fear all think they are being morally virtuous. So they will not tire of it either. They feel good about themselves.

My prediction is that this will drag on and all factual evidence against the narrative will continue to be ignored. Very like the psychosis that occurs in fighting a war. WW1 keeps coming into my mind. The offensives constantly failed, the objectives of the war were never clear but it continued. The generals were very much in charge and dominated the politicians. They also stayed broadly popular. With limited exceptions there were no mutinies either. The capacity for humans to keep doubling down on an ill advised path, rather than admit error and concede defeat is immense. I fear we are in such a scenario.

322742 ▶▶ kh1485, replying to Stephensceptic, 9, #332 of 766 🔗

Totally agree. Those who I consider to do ‘proper’ jobs are totally disbelieving of the propaganda.

The guy from a stove company who came to sweep the chimney on Christmas Eve (told him that I felt bad about that even though the company themselves had suggested the date – he said he was relieved as it meant he didn’t have to deal with two over-excited youngsters at home!) said it was all a load of nonsense. When I offered him a tea or coffee, he didn’t recoil in horror that my disease-ridden crockery might infect him, but responded with a great: “Now you’re talking”. It was such a relief to speak with someone of a like mind.

HIs company isn’t really affected as, as he pointed out, so many people are at home, living off furlough that they are spending their dosh on home-improvements and his company has never been busier. Though he did add that it will be his kids who pay for it in the long run.

322823 ▶▶ Jo Dominich, replying to Stephensceptic, 4, #333 of 766 🔗

I think it will end because they simply haven’t got enough evidence to keep it going for much longer. However, the major problems to be faced will then be mass unemployment around about mid Summer (forecast by OBR at around 8m), the crash of sterling, the insecurity in the Stock Exchange and a Government that hasn’t a clue about how to rebuild jobs and society (Keynsian spending). Not only do they not have a clue but also they have little or no interest in so doing. It’s a bit like the Phyrrus victory in the Great Battle, yes he won the battle but destroyed everything else in the process including himself.

So, I estimate that we are probably around about 2nd World country status economically and it will get worse. Now, there is no masking economic catastrophe, mass unemployment, record levels of homelessness and other factors. No amount of propaganda, lies, draconian censorship will be able to hide it. So, I wonder what will happen then. There should be a revolution.

322614 Tee Ell, 9, #334 of 766 🔗

Love today’s cartoon, very apt.

322615 mjr, replying to mjr, 5, #335 of 766 🔗

re comments today about Queens Speech,
I made reference to C4 Alternative Queens Speech which is very funny
It has now made it to Youtube for those that dont want to go near C4

322645 ▶▶ Two-Six, replying to mjr, 2, #336 of 766 🔗

That is so weird. What are they trying to tell the sheeple exactly?

322651 ▶▶▶ mjr, replying to Two-Six, 4, #337 of 766 🔗

for once i dont think C4 is being woke or lefty. just pretty good satire. and stunning special effects …… they also have a programme on monday about fake news/ videos

322749 ▶▶▶ TheBluePill, replying to Two-Six, 3, #338 of 766 🔗

They are programming the sheeple to believe that you can only trust information from the MSM, because those naughty people on the Internet could even fake the queen’s speech. So even if you see proof that information from the MSM is bullshit – you should just dismiss it as fake-news.

322973 ▶▶▶▶ Country Mumkin, replying to TheBluePill, #339 of 766 🔗

Ah yes, I think they are. I was hoping they were doing the opposite.

322616 kh1485, replying to kh1485, 72, #340 of 766 🔗

In addition to someone I considered a friend binning me earlier in the year because I am not terrified – she theatrically walked past my shop on Wednesday and peered over her black face mask to dispense a dirty look (I suspect she was walking past to check out my blackboards which, apparently, have caused consternation in er … Waitrose) – I was treated to a bit more lack of empathy by the mother of a former employee. I like both, they are ordinarily very kind and sweet people. But on Wednesday when we were discussing the latest terror inficted on this country, she did that downward/regretful smile thing and said “Oh, I wish I could give you a hug” And then to make it worse she said, in an almost excited manner that “We are living through a period of history aren’t we …?”. So I responded, that I would actually rather not be living through a “period of history” and that I wanted my boring little parochial life back.

It’s like I said before, *this* really is the most exciting thing that has happened in most people’s lives and they are absolutely bloody loving it. Until it hits them in the pocket, this madness will go on and on.

322622 ▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to kh1485, 18, #341 of 766 🔗

The furlough money won’t last much longer.

322817 ▶▶▶ Jo Dominich, replying to Nick Rose, 7, #342 of 766 🔗

Neither will their jobs.

322620 BeBopRockSteady, 24, #343 of 766 🔗

Spent yesterday enjoying a totally normal Christmas ahead of the 8pm curfew here in Northern Ireland. Dinner with my wife and kids then met up with the in laws and their kids, around 25 of them as my wife has 12 brothers and sisters. Ones a paramedic, another. A doctor, and a third is a theatre nurse.

I think they are idiots when it comes to all of this. They jump from talking about how serious this all is, to doing everything they’ve been advised not to. Nothing like a pandemic then. To be honest, they are just annoyed about the staff shortages during the annual winter pressure.

Then onto my brothers house for drinks with my own family. Again around 30 with kids, grandparents, the whole lot. A teacher and doctor in that mix too.

I am astounded by how they pick and choose their arguments to feign some kind of level of compliance. Good to see normality but I don’t think they get what is actually going on. Not asking any questions

322638 wendy, replying to wendy, 52, #344 of 766 🔗

Had a very normal Christmas with my partners family. All of us worked for in the past or still work for the NHS. Every single one of us total sceptics. Lots of hugging, sharing of everything and lots of older neighbours popping in. Must have been 50 people throughout the day, many in their 80s. If there are any COVID infections between us from all this socialising I will eat my hat!!

On the other hand my artist, Guardian reading sister and her husband spent Christmas Day on their own. They said Sir kneeler told them they shouldn’t take the risk!!!! More fool them, I had a lovely day.

Hope all is well with everyone here

322681 ▶▶ George L, replying to wendy, 2, #345 of 766 🔗

You can’t re-program stupid Wendy..

322644 Boris Bullshit, replying to Boris Bullshit, 41, #346 of 766 🔗

Greetings everyone I have had to amend my username slightly as it would not accept my old one…as Boris is still talking bullshit I did not want to amend it very much!

Was lucky enough to have a christmas eve meal out in cheshire but that pub is now in tier 3 so thats the end of them.

Just heard my partner having a bit of a row with her father and could hear him saying people are terrified as if that was evidence that there was a pandemic. He watches the BBC and reads the Guardian and said he would not look at any ‘shit’ which contradicted them. Thats what we are up against guys…sheer terror and great hostility to any of us who dare to question it.

322692 ▶▶ DRW, replying to Boris Bullshit, 7, #347 of 766 🔗

Sounds just like my family with their bloody MSM trust, everything else is “just the internet”

322740 ▶▶▶ Boris Bullshit, replying to DRW, 7, #348 of 766 🔗

Yes thats the problem he just cannot accept that his beloved BBC would spread propaganda and fear. He regards anything we point to as ‘fake news’…even if its quoting ONS statistics. He is a very ‘left wing’ person yet seems to be entirely indifferent to the way lockdowns disproportionately damage the lives of the poorest. I am sure many decades ago the Left would have made this case strongly…but not now it seems.

322753 ▶▶▶▶ DRW, replying to Boris Bullshit, 2, #349 of 766 🔗

All too familiar BB: fake news, conspiracy theories, hoaxer. Can’t think of any better slurs for ‘MSM unapproved’ can they.

322799 ▶▶▶▶ PastImperfect, replying to Boris Bullshit, #350 of 766 🔗

Boris Brainwashing Company

322709 ▶▶ leggy, replying to Boris Bullshit, 4, #351 of 766 🔗

There truly is nothing to fear but fear itself.

322785 ▶▶ Banjones, replying to Boris Bullshit, 4, #352 of 766 🔗

It really is as if people are in thrall to a cult. And as though our cult leaders are themselves in thrall to their own grand masters. Or is that far too fanciful?
Usually, though, cult leaders have charisma – I can’t think of a single one of our bunch who possesses that attribute.

322646 Fingerache Philip, 21, #353 of 766 🔗

I would be utterly insulted not to be accused of irresponsible, selfish and illegal behaviour during Christmas or any other time.
You can take the boy (72) out of the 60s but you can’t take the 60s out of the boy.

322648 swedenborg, replying to swedenborg, 36, #354 of 766 🔗


“Update on Kent lorry situation: Over 10,000 Coronatest
now carried out. Just 24 positive (0.24%).”

This is extraordinary.10 000 persons, not only from UK but from whole of Europe in an ongoing raging pandemic with a positivity rate which is nearer the false positive value.
Even if they were all true cases all myths are crushed. The myth of asymptomatic transmission. In the middle of winter among 10 000 truckdrivers from all over Europe how many would you think would have respiratory symptoms and even low grade fever? Most likely 5-10% and definitely not 0.24%. Do you think a Romanian truck driver with sniffles and low grade fever would not work? Even if these 24 were truly positive all of them most likely had low grade symptoms.

There can be only one response. Stop PCR testing outside hospitals and if need for test use LFT. Anybody admitted to hospital test LFT and PCR. Both pos, infectious. PCR pos and LFT neg, repeat PCR and if pos infectious. LFT pos and PCR neg most likely neg but repeat LFT. And test for other viruses incl.flu for all negative C-19 cases.

The only hope is that some nation, most likely in Eastern-Central Europe start doing this. Slovakia probably considered it but too afraid of Oma Merkel to continue with only LFT.They have at least more stringent case definition for C-19 deaths in Slovakia compared to neighbouring Czechia with only a third of death rate for C-19 than Czechia.

The rewards are enormous for nations doing this. Plummeting cases and C-19 hospitalisations would encourage tourists coming back in a border free travel. This will be an avalanche of tourists if masks came off. There would be a domino effect for the mask fanatic wearing Mediterranean tourist countries.

Perhaps Austria will be the first. In Kurz, they have a ruthless cynic in command (according to leaks they are laughing inside the government of the gullibility of the populace wearing masks).He has been advocating LFT in mass testing. Although it was a good theatre in the Austrian parliament with an MP pouring coca cola over a LFT which became pos. This doesn’t disprove LFT as it is Ph sensible. Had he done the same thing using a pregnancy test he would have been pregnant.
Kurz really wants the rich tourists filling up the hotels in Vienna. Let us see which country start first with using LFT instead of PCR. The reward is enormous.

322661 ▶▶ mjr, replying to swedenborg, 19, #355 of 766 🔗

it is a pity that we no longer have such a thing as an investigative reporter. or even a journalist with a brain. this should be front page news.

322678 ▶▶▶ George L, replying to mjr, 3, #356 of 766 🔗

There are plenty in the alternative media, some absolutely excellent journalists. However, the MSM and social media have strict narrative to follow so truth is a no-no.

322657 Sausalito, replying to Sausalito, #357 of 766 🔗

Who here noticed cars queuing up to get tested on Christmas day?

322779 ▶▶ Banjones, replying to Sausalito, 1, #358 of 766 🔗

Not many! My beloved has just been for a compulsory test because of a very necessary medical procedure tomorrow. He said that he was the only one there, and the hospital car parks were practically empty.

322807 ▶▶▶ A. Contrarian, replying to Banjones, #359 of 766 🔗

Funny sort of deadly serious disease, where you can afford to wait a day or two to get tested, just so you can enjoy your Christmas dinner…

322829 ▶▶▶▶ dhid, replying to A. Contrarian, #360 of 766 🔗

I think Boris did a deal with virus for xmas at the same time as the Brexit one, just for the day though…

322675 DRW, 17, #361 of 766 🔗

Heard off someone yesterday for the first time in years, not a sceptic but not a pure sheep either. No immediate dismissal to my sceptical replies, I’ll let you know how far I get.

322676 Tenchy, replying to Tenchy, 2, #362 of 766 🔗

There are some deeply sinister views on face nappies in this article (The Telegraph – free):


How long will it take for life to return to normal after the Covid vaccine rollout?

As the coronavirus immunisations begin, it could still be some months before the UK is ‘back to normal’, [“]experts[“] say


How long will we have to wear masks?

Sir Patrick Vallance said this week that even with the vaccine rollout face masks may still be required by next winter, this is due to the issue of transmission.

Scientists say even when masks are no longer required by law, the pandemic may have left a lasting cultural effect on society, and people will continue to wear them regardless.

Stephen Baker, professor of molecular microbiology at the University of Cambridge, said wearing masks in public places has been normal in Asian countries for years.

“If I told you this time last year, we’d all be wearing face masks in public places you’d have thought I was mental,” he said, “And now everybody seems to have adopted that, I think it may continue.”

He added that recent changes to our behaviours are likely to have a “longer term benefit” to infectious disease control in the future.

Face masks will [most] likely be around for a long time, experts say, as they become part of our behaviour towards tackling infectious diseases.

“This is going to be an overall positive experience on the way we then control future infections, and the way we limit the spread of them, by people changing their behaviour, by being aware of them touching common surfaces, by wearing face masks in public, and by having an understanding that they need to go and get immunised,” he said.

“I think that’s going to have a big impact.”

Professor Jonathan Van Tam, the deputy chief medical officer, also hinted face coverings are not going anywhere anytime soon.

“Do I think there will come a big moment where we have a massive party and throw off masks and hand sanitiser and say that’s it, it’s behind us, like the end of the war? No I don’t,” he said during a briefing last week.

But Boris Johnson responded to the suggestion adding: “We want to get back to normal”.

322684 ▶▶ Sam Vimes, replying to Tenchy, 3, #363 of 766 🔗

But Boris Johnson responded to the suggestion adding: “We want to get back to normal”.

So, we’re doomed, then.

322697 ▶▶▶ Achilles, replying to Sam Vimes, 1, #364 of 766 🔗

Well let’s just hope he doesn’t say it would be inhuman.

322725 ▶▶▶▶ Sam Vimes, replying to Achilles, #365 of 766 🔗

Or “Do or die”. But then, if his lips are moving…

322689 ▶▶ George L, replying to Tenchy, 21, #366 of 766 🔗

You really do have to be a sick minded individual to be able to spout lies that you know are going to harm people in a myriad of ways. I do hope and pray that bastards like Valance are brought to justice. For the criminality of these people capital punishment should be administered. They’ve committed treason and that’s paid for with death.

322699 ▶▶▶ iane, replying to George L, 3, #367 of 766 🔗

Yes: no excuses; no forgiveness.

322700 ▶▶▶ OKUK, replying to George L, 3, #368 of 766 🔗

Yes, this is evil.

322702 ▶▶▶▶ OKUK, replying to OKUK, #369 of 766 🔗

Though I don’t support the call for capital punishment!

322708 ▶▶▶▶▶ George L, replying to OKUK, 11, #370 of 766 🔗

Well I’d go further than capital punishment, these people are committing genocide. They are already responsible for thousands of deaths.

322729 ▶▶▶ jonathan Palmer, replying to George L, 8, #371 of 766 🔗

Go back and watch interviews with Vallance in March.It validates Yeadons point that he is lying.
Why has he totally repudiated everything he has been taught.This blows any incompetence theory into the water.There has been no great scientific discoveries since then.So why the total U turn.

322776 ▶▶▶ Banjones, replying to George L, 6, #372 of 766 🔗

I’ve just been watching a programme about the Nazis’ manipulation of people, and how quickly they became terrified of speaking out against what they gradually realised was happening – something sinister that affected them as well as those they thought ”deserved it”.
It’s chilling how many parallels there are between what’s going on now, and what’s gone on before, as ignorant, trusting, pliant and then frightened people are brought under the yoke.

322783 ▶▶▶ Awkward Git, replying to George L, 3, #373 of 766 🔗

It’s only traditional treason if the monarch does not agree with or does not know what they are doing or they are doing it in direct contravention of the monarch’s wishes.

Our monarch is part of the plan so it is not treason.

Best we can get them for would be under the 1848 Treason Felony Act as it states as an act of treason against Person of His said Majesty, His Heirs or Successors:

“to intimidate or overawe both Houses or either House of Parliament”

Definition of overawe:

Transitive Verb

: to restrain or subdue by awe

Definition of awe:

: an emotion variously combining dread, veneration, and wonder that is inspired by authority or by the sacred or sublime

archaic definition that would have been in use when the Act was written:

: the power to inspire dread

322812 ▶▶▶▶ George L, replying to Awkward Git, #374 of 766 🔗

Interesting post that Awkward..

322705 ▶▶ leggy, replying to Tenchy, 21, #375 of 766 🔗

…wearing masks in public places has been normal in Asian countries for years…

It really hasn’t. Some people in Asian countries wear them as a courtesy if they’re ill. A tiny fraction though. I’ve travelled and worked extensively in Asia. I was in Beijing in the depths of winter a few years ago and barely saw a mask, just masses of globules of frozen spittle on the pavements!

322719 ▶▶▶ Tenchy, replying to leggy, 6, #376 of 766 🔗

Agree completely. The vast majority of people in Hong Kong, for example, were not wearing masks when I was there last year.

322706 ▶▶ GiftWrappedKittyCat, replying to Tenchy, 19, #377 of 766 🔗

Apart from the absolute zealots for which there is no hope, I do think that the majority who don a face nappy to go shopping etc. only do so because they don’t want to ‘break the rules’. The second they are no longer mandatory, most will stop wearing them.
Of course there are some who never started wearing them! Cheers fellow sceptics. 😉

322716 ▶▶ John001, replying to Tenchy, 13, #378 of 766 🔗

Important: masks have never been compulsory in Japan.

Rather than trotting out the usual b******s why don’t these eggheads resolve to find out why Japan, a very free country, has had almost the lowest death rate in the world out of all developed countries. I suppose Taiwan has had the very lowest but technically it isn’t allowed to call itself a country. Also it doesn’t have many direct flights from around the world.

South Korea has allowed the government to track your movements, i.e. via your phone. That isn’t very free in my eyes.

FWIW I’m also a qualified scientist and so in theory an ‘egghead’, just one who’s never worked in government or industry and has always thought for himself.

322797 ▶▶▶ PastImperfect, replying to John001, 1, #379 of 766 🔗

It would be nice to be a free country.

322751 ▶▶ Victoria, replying to Tenchy, 5, #380 of 766 🔗

That is the same Vallance thar stated in April that masks will not protect against this virus.

Good thing we all know it is utter nonsense

322764 ▶▶ Albert, replying to Tenchy, 6, #381 of 766 🔗

I’m sure many people will still want to wear masks…Covid has unhinged plenty of people…turning them into paranoid/fearful germophobes… but as long as they’re no longer mandatory then I wouldn’t worry about it.

”Of the estimated 52 billion masks manufactured globally in 2020, it’s believed 1.56 billion will enter our oceans this year, resulting in an additional 4,680 to 6,240 metric tonnes of marine plastic pollution”

Another one of those unintended consequences.

322791 ▶▶ Tom in Scotland, replying to Tenchy, 10, #382 of 766 🔗

It’s not true that masks are completely normal and constantly worn by everyone in Asia. I’ve lived and worked in China and travelled in other East Asian countries and am so sick and tired of hearing these lies (it’s what is called ‘orientalising’ Asian people). Almost no one wore masks in China when I was there (several times over several years) and I was around during the beginning of the respiratory virus season.

Masks are more common in Japan, but part of this is due to the social anxiety problems some people there suffer from, and they were not universal before the Rona. Part of the problem in Japan is the presenteeism at workplaces, where it is hard to take time off when someone is ill (weak welfare state and job benefits, and it’s bad for promotion prospects). Anders Tegnell in Sweden said something like if you’re ill, you really should stay home and not assume that a mask will protect others, but the Japanese unfortunately do not take this advice.

Masks are NOT natural (or useful) and I think most people in the West (and most of Asia, too) will gladly abandon them when allowed to do so. We do need to resist their re-imposition, however, as I expect there will be an attempt to bring them back when the next ‘pandemic’ comes along.

322813 ▶▶▶ Jo Dominich, replying to Tom in Scotland, 3, #383 of 766 🔗

Yes, it’s the lies that I too am sick and tired of. There are now layers and layers and layers of them. One thing is for sure, we can now see, in plain sight, that this Government is the most immoral, corrupt, evil, Fascist one in UK Parliamentary History. They care nothing about the Nation or the citizens but only about lining their own pockets and those of their friends. The LOTO is a two faced deceitful liar too. It is now down to the British People but I guess we might be asking for too much.

323163 ▶▶ Cheshirecatslave, replying to Tenchy, #384 of 766 🔗

If people want to prevent the spread of winter viruses staying at home a few days is way more effective than masks. I fear masks encourage people to think they are safe to mix with vulnerable people when coughing and sneezing. Most people I know are eager to be free of masks.

322677 chaos, 2, #385 of 766 🔗

I’m watching an amazon prime thing on killer kids. Kids who have killed and even raped other kids. Just to keep my spirits up after a year of Boris Bill Gates Agenda 2030 fun.

322682 godowneasy, replying to godowneasy, 16, #386 of 766 🔗

France has confirmed the first case in the country of the more contagious coronavirus variant recently identified in the UK.
The French health ministry said the person was a French citizen in the central town of Tours who had arrived from London on 19 December.
The ministry said he was asymptomatic, and currently self-isolating at home.
Can anyone please explain how a PCR test showing for positive for someone with no symptoms (and, therefore, run at a high CT level), can possibly differentiate between different SAR-COV-2 variants?

322685 ▶▶ Charlie Blue, replying to godowneasy, 2, #387 of 766 🔗

It can’t. This could only be true if they had completed different follow-up tests.

322703 ▶▶ George L, replying to godowneasy, 13, #388 of 766 🔗

It can’t and they are lying, and I bet the BBC are creaming themselves over it.

France, the country I call home is now like the UK, under a lying totalitarian regime, but there are stirrings among the populace now after the latest tyrannical legislation the government have tried to bring out. .

322746 ▶▶ Bella Donna, replying to godowneasy, 3, #389 of 766 🔗

Seriously we must stop believing this bollox its the only way to stay sane.

322771 ▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to Bella Donna, 4, #390 of 766 🔗

Stop ? It’s been at least three decades since I believed a word the government told me. 🙂

322747 ▶▶ Jonny S., replying to godowneasy, 2, #391 of 766 🔗

This guy knows his stuff and is quite sceptical of the siuation.


322748 ▶▶ Victoria, replying to godowneasy, 1, #392 of 766 🔗

I would like to know what test they used on this person to determine this variant?

322756 ▶▶ Julian, replying to godowneasy, 1, #393 of 766 🔗

I’ve got asymptomatic Romulan Flu

322809 ▶▶▶ George L, replying to Julian, 2, #394 of 766 🔗

Can you get that in a rattle can.??? 😉

322686 Cecil B, replying to Cecil B, 3, #395 of 766 🔗

What happens if MP’s don’t vote for the pig dictators Brexit deal?

322694 ▶▶ Tom Blackburn, replying to Cecil B, 4, #396 of 766 🔗

Starmer’s lot to abstain, the yellow-bellied shitbags?

322712 ▶▶▶ iane, replying to Tom Blackburn, 1, #397 of 766 🔗

Well, they are MPs; just what did one expect?

322696 ▶▶ iane, replying to Cecil B, 2, #398 of 766 🔗

Most of the country will die of shock!

322688 frankfrankly, replying to frankfrankly, 5, #399 of 766 🔗

Just a note that the editor should be aware that the paper on masks Bae S et al., “ Effectiveness of Surgical and Cotton Masks in Blocking SARS-CoV-2: A Controlled Comparison in 4 Patients ”, Ann Intern Med. , April 6th 2020 has been retracted.

322745 ▶▶ Victoria, replying to frankfrankly, 1, #400 of 766 🔗

Thanks, good to know. Another one bites the dust 😀

So funny to read the great comments challenging the study

322778 ▶▶▶ John001, replying to Victoria, #401 of 766 🔗

Well no surprise if it was written after this all began. There was no obsession for or against masks for 40 years; perhaps the conclusions were more likely to be correct.

Ioannidis seems to have based 15 years of his career on debunking flawed ‘scientific experiments’.

322910 ▶▶ Lowe, replying to frankfrankly, 1, #402 of 766 🔗

The Bae paper suggested that surgical and cotton masks were ineffective . It was based on a study of just four patients. It wasn’t very well conducted.

Of passing interest was that the four patients, suffering from this supposedly dreadful virus, could cough to order.

322693 Albert, replying to Albert, 2, #403 of 766 🔗

Sweden’s Covid-19 failures have exposed the myths of the lockdown-sceptics The “herd immunity” strategy that led to a disastrous Swedish death rate would have been even more dangerous in the UK.

f late, these champions have fallen silent. It’s not hard to explain why. Recent days have seen Sweden’s Nordic neighbours Finland and Norway offering emergency medical assistance as Stockholm’s hospitals have been overwhelmed, infections and deaths have spiked dramatically upward, and the King of Sweden has made an unprecedented criticism of the government’s bungled strategy.
Unprecedented, but hardly surprising: Sweden has suffered a death rate that is roughly ten times that of neighbouring Norway and nine times that of Finland. A searing government report concluded the state had failed to protect the vulnerable. Mats Persson, a former UK government adviser, said of his home country: “For a social model largely designed around the state levelling the odds and caring for the vulnerable, this will leave a very difficult moral legacy.”
To understand the magnitude of what’s gone wrong, it’s worth noting that Sweden started the pandemic with several huge advantages. First, it’s a far less urban nation than the UK,for example, and the virus spreads much more rapidly in dense, built-up areas. While the UK has 273 people per square kilometre, Sweden has just 25.
Second, Sweden has the highest rate of people living alone in the world: 42.5 per cent of households are single people, compared to just 29.9 per cent in the UK. Obviously, it’s much easier for the virus to spread within the home, and places with large, multigenerational households suffer most.

To form an idea of the consequences that would have followed if the UK had followed the Swedish model, you would need to compare Sweden’s outcomes to its similar neighbours. Given the country’s death rate is ten times higher, imagine the chaos we’d have seen if we had multiplied the UK death rate by a factor of ten.

Nor has there been an economic upside for Sweden: in fact, they saw a bigger hit to their economy than their neighbours, as well as much worse health outcomes. The Swedish virologist Lena Einhorn concluded: “Sweden’s strategy has proven to be a dramatic failure.”
This matters, not only because health and lives are in danger, but also because the Swedish experiment reveals the failures of the underlying theories of Covid-sceptics.
Sweden’s controversial state epidemiologist Anders Tegnell predicted in the summer that because the country had a high rate of infection in the spring, it would have “a high level of immunity and the number of cases [in the winter] will probably be quite low”.
We now know he was disastrously wrong. But he wasn’t alone; his theory was exactly the same as that still relied upon by the UK’s Covid-sceptics.
[See also: Sweden’s chief epidemiologist Anders Tegnell defends his strategy ]
Sunetra Gupta, a lead author of the “ Great Barrington Declaration ”, promised in May that, in the UK, “the epidemic has largely come and is on its way out in this country… due to the build-up of immunity”. One leading Covid-sceptic, Michael Yeadon, wrote that thanks to “prior immunity”, “the pandemic is effectively over.”

It’s these same failed theories that still lead Covid-sceptics to argue it is safe to let the virus rip and attempt to shelter the old and vulnerable.
One baffling feature of 2020 was that so much energy was wasted puffing up Sweden, while countries such as Australia, Japan, South Korea, Taiwan and New Zealand revealed to us genuinely successful models based on hard suppression of the virus with decisive action: all suffered a fraction of the European average rate of coronavirus cases.
There is, of course, no scope for triumphalism here. But when we look for models to learn from, it isn’t Swedish lessons we need. The better lesson is the simpler one, taught by our antipodean cousins: wallop the virus as hard as you can”

Neil O’Brian Con MP

Herd immunity is not a consideration in my thinking on the Covid response. Mine has always been about who if affects mostly, the aged,and those with serious medical conditions. Shutting down the world makes no sense whatever, especially, as the old , tthe ill,and disabled have been the biggest losers under the government’s austerity measures, now it wants to cripple the country to save them? Doesn’t add up.

322754 ▶▶ PastImperfect, replying to Albert, #404 of 766 🔗

Euromomo graphs belie your second paragraph.

322761 ▶▶▶ Albert, replying to PastImperfect, -1, #405 of 766 🔗

Can you give me that in plain English…or is it too much trouble?

322824 ▶▶▶ RickH, replying to PastImperfect, #406 of 766 🔗

Shhhh …. That’s data and facts, not mythology.

322789 ▶▶ tony rattray, replying to Albert, 2, #407 of 766 🔗

I suggest you respond by reminding him that approx 40% of covid deaths in the uk and sweden are in care homes as around the world – so much for protecting the most vulnerable neil o’brian mp?

As such, sweden has already acknowledged this as a major failing in their strategy. But otherwise deaths are no worse than a “bad winter”.

I suggest you also remind him that there have been significantly more non-covid related excess deaths at home this year than overall excess deaths in hospital. So locking everyone in their house for a year works does it neil o’brian mp?

Finally, I would remind him of the initial government cost versus benefit analysis of the first lockdown. Reflecting a now more accurate mortality rate (lower) for covid than the one cited in this report, it is now evidential that full lockdowns may actually kill more people than they save.

PS Neil o’brian mp, please note that the worst is actually yet to come – its called the effects of full lockdowns – huge economic damage and further consequences of missed non-covid nhs treatment on the health and welling being of the uk over the next three years.

322818 ▶▶▶ Albert, replying to tony rattray, -1, #408 of 766 🔗

!0 times worse would be 700000 +. Clearly ridiculous. It was 70% for Sweden(care homes)

Old people dying is no great shock…might as well deduct all those over 70 from the figures that have died from it . 90% fewer.

322801 ▶▶ A. Contrarian, replying to Albert, 1, #409 of 766 🔗

Both Japan and S Korea are now having a significant-looking “second wave” of both deaths and infections – after being held up as models in the spring and summer. I don’t think either of those had lockdowns either, so that can’t explain their initial success.

He does understand some of the differences between NZ/Australia and the UK I assume? In terms of population size and density, connectivity to the rest of the world, and the much later arrival of the epidemic there?

322834 ▶▶ frankfrankly, replying to Albert, 5, #410 of 766 🔗

O’Brien has not looked at S. Korea. Japan or New Zealand at all-for one thing they are in totally different parts of the world and NZ is two islands, sparsely populated which may have been able to largely keep the virus out wheras in the UK it soon bacame endemic. We are an international hub.

OB also is obsessed by cases and continually tweets these as a graph. But the vast majority of people have mild symptoms and most with serious symptoms recover. Only 1% of deaths are in the under 45’s with 84% among the 70+ group. 95% of fatalities have an identified comorbidity. Perhaps the other 5% had an unidentified one so it is possible that Covid has killed no totally healthy person-unlike 1918 Spanish Flu. Even if that is untrue, the number of healthy people killed is tiny-compared to lockdown’s harms. So a general lockdown is totally inappropriate.

There is no evidence that lockdown has saved any lives. He mistakes the lack of cases in Summer (when viruses abate) for the effect of supressive measures and the rise in Winter (the respiratory illness season) for a second wave because these are his presuppositions, not the result of examining the evidence. Like SAGE he has paid little attention to the economic, social and health costs of lockdown and tiers. Even a Parish Council does a cost-benefit analysis before it takes a decision. The Govt. has not.

322866 ▶▶ Tim Bidie, replying to Albert, 4, #411 of 766 🔗

Precisely the kind of ‘fundamentalism’ that is destroying the economic system of the entire world, killing far more people than the SARS CoV 2 virus could ever do.

No-one has any idea how many people have died from Covid 19 because the PCR test is hopelessly unreliable, and some of those whose deaths were attributed to Covid 19 had not even been tested!

What we do know, see attached, is that overall all cause mortality for England and Wales this year is middling compared to the last 30 years, a miracle when considering the Amnesty International report into panicky government interventions in March.

‘‘Via its Department of Health and Social Care (DHSC), the government in mid-March adopted a policy, executed by NHS England and NHS Improvement, that led to 25,000 patients, including those infected or possibly infected with COVID-19 who had not been tested, being discharged from hospital into care homes between 17 March and 15 April—exponentially increasing the risk of transmission to the very population most at risk of severe illness and death from the disease. With no access to testing, severe shortages of PPE, insufficient staff, and limited guidance, care homes were overwhelmed. Although care home deaths were not even being counted in daily official figures of COVID-19 deaths until 29 April, some 4,300 care home deaths were reported in a single fortnight during this period.’

‘The UK government, national agencies, and local-level bodies have taken decisions and adopted policies during the COVID-19 pandemic that have directly violated the human rights of older residents of care homes in England—notably their right to life, their right to health, and their right to non-discrimination. These decisions and policies have also impacted the rights of care home residents to private and family life….’


I believe the same is true for Sweden, where hospitals, at one stage, were refusing to admit the elderly and infirm. Even so, it has not been a bad year for overall mortality in Sweden when put in context.

‘Wuhan-Corona in 2020 puts deaths clearly above the baseline/trendline, but the longer graph is needed for historical context. Flu waves of this exact same magnitude are surprisingly regular. Given the intense focus on Wuhan-Corona in 2020 and its continued “politicization,” this still bears stressing. It is a point that needs to be made again and again. There is nothing unusual here. You have lived through these flu waves regularly with no crazy Lockdowns or even awareness they were going on .’


322698 Liam, replying to Liam, 10, #412 of 766 🔗

I almost forgot about everything yesterday.

322711 ▶▶ OKUK, replying to Liam, 10, #413 of 766 🔗

Then you woke up this morning in a cold sweat recalling it all – how we are trapped in a waking nightmare. Malevolence and stupidity stalk the land.

322723 ▶▶▶ Sam Vimes, replying to OKUK, 5, #414 of 766 🔗

Same every morning; wake up, turn over, fart (optional), feel ok – then remember.

322822 ▶▶▶▶ dhid, replying to Sam Vimes, 3, #415 of 766 🔗

Same here, but the fart is mandatory after the “then remember”…

322701 godowneasy, replying to godowneasy, 11, #416 of 766 🔗

Here’s a bit of fun. Article on the Guardian explaining “Ten reasons we got Covid-19 vaccines so quickly without ‘cutting corners’ – https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2020/dec/26/ten-reasons-we-got-covid-19-vaccines-so-quickly-without-cutting-corners

It’s open for comments. Some sensible ones are coming through. Have a read, then refresh a few minutes later. See how many just disappear like magic.

322707 ▶▶ OKUK, replying to godowneasy, 7, #417 of 766 🔗

If it’s in the Guardian it must be true…that it’s complete bollox.

322773 ▶▶ Awkward Git, replying to godowneasy, 3, #418 of 766 🔗

Because DARPA been financing the research to do exactly this for 4 years.


322784 ▶▶ John001, replying to godowneasy, 1, #419 of 766 🔗

It would be a service to us all if you could find time to take screenshots and post them on Twitter. I doubt if the Wayback Machine preserves websites in such detail.

Is there a means to contact Peter Hitchens privately? His address in Oxford would work. No one communicates that way any more, the government assumes.

322704 iane, replying to iane, 10, #420 of 766 🔗

Newly registered here. Is message ‘approval’ an initial rite of passage or does it continue indefinitely?

322713 ▶▶ Tenchy, replying to iane, 2, #421 of 766 🔗

It’s just a one-off following your first post. All subsequent posts should appear immediately.

322714 ▶▶ Sam Vimes, replying to iane, 11, #422 of 766 🔗

It wears off quickly, a bit like The Virus ™. Welcome aboard.

322715 ▶▶ iane, replying to iane, 4, #423 of 766 🔗

Looks like the former then!

322732 ▶▶▶ Dame Lynet, replying to iane, 3, #424 of 766 🔗

Hi and welcome, iane 🙂

322722 ▶▶ Awkward Git, replying to iane, 3, #425 of 766 🔗

rite of passage.

322836 ▶▶▶ Waldorf, replying to Awkward Git, 3, #426 of 766 🔗

The next stage is to deliver a parcel containing the severed head of a Covidian behind the hot water pipes in Victoria Station.

322896 ▶▶▶▶ Jo Dominich, replying to Waldorf, 3, #427 of 766 🔗

Oh pleeeaase, Wancock’s I hope.

322739 ▶▶ Victoria, replying to iane, 2, #428 of 766 🔗

Or you included more than 4 links

322769 ▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to Victoria, 2, #429 of 766 🔗

Or the mods have identified you as Klaus Schwabbb …

322808 ▶▶ Annie, replying to iane, 2, #430 of 766 🔗

Welcome to Saneland, post away!

322831 ▶▶ dhid, replying to iane, 1, #431 of 766 🔗


322720 Banjones, 30, #432 of 766 🔗

”Tier” 1, 2, 3 or 4, etc. What utterly pointless, patronising TRIPE. ”Tier” – almost as patronising as ”SAGE” or ”nervtag” (whatever THAT is – I haven’t bothered to look). I’m only surprised they haven’t made an acronym out of the word ”tier”.
I am truly appalled how ANYONE can think all this is either necessary or a good thing. Don’t they read ANY figures or other opinions?

Spoke to some Canadian friends yesterday. As my beloved was speaking to them, I heard the words ”They keep having their families visiting – people keep breaking the rules and that’s why we’re where we are now”….

”Where we are now” so far as they are concerned is in a small town, almost empty hospital, about two deaths earlier this year (elderly), and a few ”cases” because of obsessive testing – otherwise people are healthy and carrying on life as normal (except for muzzles and restrictions on who they can have in their homes). So they’re ”where we are now’ ‘ because of the pointless testing. They can’t see it’s nothing to do with people seeing other people but EVERYTHING to do with their sinister government ruling. I’d pity them if I weren’t so bloody annoyed at their gullibility.

Yet they, like most people, just don’t get it – they don’t listen to themselves or think about what they’ve just said.

322734 Dave Angel Eco Warrier, 50, #433 of 766 🔗

My brother-in-law died recently after three weeks in hospital with varying issues. We were told that he did not have and never did have Covid yet Covid appeared as one of the reasons for his demise. I asked his siblings if they were going to challenge it but understandably they were too upset to bother to do so. Therefore, the fraudulant manipulation of the Covid death count goes on unabated and in plain sight.

322752 Andrew K, replying to Andrew K, 12, #434 of 766 🔗

was it me but was Misses Browns Boys also trying to push the vaccine last night on tele. One was dressed as a syringe which said take the jab. Anyway at that point we were leaving anyway. This is totally disgusting, I really need to find a way to stop paying the BBX tax.

322758 ▶▶ JohnB, replying to Andrew K, 11, #435 of 766 🔗

It’s easy, you just stop paying.

322766 ▶▶▶ kh1485, replying to JohnB, 8, #436 of 766 🔗

It is. Feel so much better that I will not be handing over north of £150 of my hard-earned this year. And there’s the added relief of not being spoken down to or propagandised (if that’s a word).

322759 ▶▶ Sam Vimes, replying to Andrew K, 4, #437 of 766 🔗

I thought the general tone was mocking the whole business. The lad in the syringe costume is a known thicko in the show. Crew all masked up spoiled it for me.

322757 Sam Vimes, replying to Sam Vimes, 5, #438 of 766 🔗

Good to know that the legislation coming in today makes mention of the Paris Olympic Games. You know, the ones in 2024…

322775 ▶▶ Silke David, replying to Sam Vimes, 2, #439 of 766 🔗

Whatever happened/will happen to the Olympics 2020 in Japan?

322762 godowneasy, 13, #440 of 766 🔗

I just love these crazy Irish guys:

Cavan man in barefoot challenge from Donegal to Kerry https://www.rte.ie/news/regional/2020/1226/1186502-stephen-reburn/

  • A Cavan man is running from Donegal to Kerry barefoot to raise awareness of suicide and mental health this Christmas.
  • Stephen Reburn, 26, from Maudabawn set off from Letterkenny at 9am yesterday morning and will run the 440km to Kerry.
  • He decided to undertake the challenge to promote suicide awareness and the work that organisations such as Pieta House do.
  • Mr Reburn, who has suffered with his own mental health, is also concerned about the impact the Covid-19 pandemic is having on people and in particular young people.
  • “The fact that we are going into another lockdown, I dread to think what might happen to such vulnerable people and what might be the outcome at the end of these lockdowns,” he said.

As inter-county travel is banned from after today, I hope this guy is not prevented from travelling by the Garda. You can easily find Stephen if you want to support his fundraiser. More info here: https://www.donegaldaily.com/2020/12/25/stephen-sets-off-on-brrr-isk-barefoot-christmas-run/

322765 Alice, replying to Alice, 14, #441 of 766 🔗

Dr John Lee in DM today – nice summary of the sceptic position, I think:

322826 ▶▶ leggy, replying to Alice, 32, #442 of 766 🔗

The top comment on that article is absolute gold too.

Once upon a time, a man called Mr SAGE was looking after his rabbits. He has 100 rabbits running freely in a field – 99 blue rabbits and 1 red rabbit. One day, a deadly virus comes along which is dangerous to red rabbits. Mr SAGE decides to lock away all his rabbits and wait for a vaccine to be developed. Many rabbits start to suffer under the restrictions, with some even dying. Fortunately, a vaccine is produced in record time, which Mr SAGE quickly injects into all his rabbits. At the end of the pandemic, Mr SAGE releases his rabbits back into the field. He lost 12 blue rabbits but managed to save the one red rabbit. Mr SAGE is happy with his success. The End.

322922 ▶▶ Tom in Scotland, replying to Alice, 3, #443 of 766 🔗

Yes, it’s an excellent article and I’ve noticed that he’s losing patience with the BS – he’s more forceful with his language now than he was back at the beginning. I share his frustration.

322768 Awkward Git, replying to Awkward Git, 7, #444 of 766 🔗

Wasn’t going to post today but thought this may give you a laugh and brighten your day:


322788 ▶▶ iane, replying to Awkward Git, 4, #445 of 766 🔗

Ah yes: public money really well spent!

322770 Charlie Blue, replying to Charlie Blue, 17, #446 of 766 🔗

I wonder what is happening to the poor souls who have been flooded out of their homes. Will friends and family offer them refuge, or will they be too afraid of ‘the rules’? Will community centres/churches help them, or will the risk of minglin be too great? Will they be able to get a hot meal and a hotel/ B&B? Floods have a devastating impact at the best of times, but I have an uneasy feeling that covid will still be the only concern of authorities and those who might otherwise offer assistance.

322805 ▶▶ Annie, replying to Charlie Blue, 7, #447 of 766 🔗

Anybody who is self-isolating will be left to drown, just as students who are self-isolating will be left to be burned alive if there is a fire. Official.

322948 ▶▶ stefarm, replying to Charlie Blue, 1, #448 of 766 🔗

At the risk of sounding uncaring I’ve often wondered if the only way out of this is for a natural disaster, bad flooding, snow and ice cutting off half the country. Something to divert attention and something to really be concerned about.

322781 Snarly, replying to Snarly, 16, #449 of 766 🔗

Bloody turncoat! Huw Merriman (mp for Bexhill and Rye) has just announced that following his phone call from Hancock that since voting against lockdown measures in the past, he has now changed his mind and decided that the current restrictions and tier 4 crap are now totally justified! Wonder how many of these opposing back-benchers have been got at in this way!

322796 ▶▶ OKUK, replying to Snarly, 9, #450 of 766 🔗

I think there’s leadership politics behind this. Drippy Merriman was a Mayist and I think along with other Mayists they were simply hoping to dislodge Boris Johnson by mounting a revolt on lockdowns. But since his “Brexit trade deal “triumph I think they now realise replacing Johnson with May or someone else of that
ilk is not a realistic possibility. So he’s trying to crawl back inn the tent. I hope we don’t see anything similar from Charles Walker.

322800 ▶▶ Waldorf, replying to Snarly, 4, #451 of 766 🔗

From 1:25 – a vote change is achieved by dubious means. ( LA Confidential 1997)

322803 ▶▶ Annie, replying to Snarly, 5, #452 of 766 🔗

What did he get as a prize, I winder? Lying little shit.

322820 ▶▶▶ Waldorf, replying to Annie, 7, #453 of 766 🔗

No revelations about the dead girl or live boy in his bed?
Seriously, a lot of them have skeletons in the closet and pressure can be brought to bear. Even if they don’t, parliamentary rebels can be overlooked when it comes to ministerial office. In the ruling party, typically about one in three have some kind of ministerial office with its perks, and rebels tend to stay among the other two thirds who are on the backbenches.

322786 Robin Birch, replying to Robin Birch, 14, #455 of 766 🔗

So the BBC news informs us of some 15,500 tests on the hauliers in Dover/Manston with only 36 positives. Again begs the question of where are the hotbeds of infection – old virus or latest flavour of? Mass testing in Liverpool didn’t find a lot. Not many lurking in the Universities in the run to Xmas and it’s not the lorry drivers. So Matt Hancock – where are all these infected folk hiding??????? or guess what !!!!!!!

322814 ▶▶ arfurmo, replying to Robin Birch, 12, #456 of 766 🔗

Each day recently upwards of 35k positives -where do they live and how do they get it? Can’t be down the pub .

322821 ▶▶ Silke David, replying to Robin Birch, 6, #457 of 766 🔗

People on here report different numbers for how many tests carried out and positivity rate.
I just searched the BBC news website and cannot find any reference to lorry drivers testing and results.
What is going on?
What I do see is that more and more countries find the “new strain”.
Does that mean the travel ban for UK residents can be lifted, as it is useless anyway?

322887 ▶▶▶ Robin Birch, replying to Silke David, 1, #458 of 766 🔗

Link here on BBC webtsite and also includes a ref to the numbers by Grant Shapps https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-kent-55452344 .

322890 ▶▶▶ Jo Dominich, replying to Silke David, 4, #459 of 766 🔗

I think you might find it is the MSM running these stories about other countries which are, in the main, not true.

322889 ▶▶ Jo Dominich, replying to Robin Birch, 6, #460 of 766 🔗

Come come now. Do stop asking intelligent questions. Wancock’s brain is unable to process these.

322787 Nick Rose, replying to Nick Rose, 8, #461 of 766 🔗
322811 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to Nick Rose, 7, #462 of 766 🔗

Well why don’t b they grow a set and start making noise about it. Susan M is a horrendous individual

322865 ▶▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 4, #463 of 766 🔗

That it’s even surfaced (and then got deleted) at all speaks volumes, should we wish to read between the lines. (He typed, conspiratorially…)

322895 ▶▶ crimsonpirate, replying to Nick Rose, 3, #464 of 766 🔗

I thought Susan Michie was fully signed to the Lockdown nonsense.

322790 Albert, replying to Albert, 23, #465 of 766 🔗

comment image
Every man dies — well, every man who doesn’t listen to government orders, that is,” Wallace says, pleading with the crowds to return to their homes rather than fight for their freedom. “Dying in your beds, many years from now, would you trade all the days from this day to that for one chance to go outside? Of course not. That’s a terrible deal. It’s much better to stay home and stay safe. Yeah, the English will kick us around from time to time, but the important thing is your health.”

Wallace then pulls out a study funded by English researchers that shows a strong correlation between fighting the English and getting drawn and quartered. “Listen to the science,” he says. “If you come out here and stand in defiance of tyranny, you want grandma to die.”

322802 ▶▶ Annie, replying to Albert, 8, #466 of 766 🔗

Months ago, somebody did a video of Wallace’s speech intercutting it with one by Turdgeon slamming all Scots into prison.
This is Turdgeon’s Scotland.

322804 ▶▶▶ Albert, replying to Annie, 2, #467 of 766 🔗

Applies equally to us as well. Sheer lunacy. Both my Grans are dead anyway.

322806 ▶▶▶ iane, replying to Annie, 3, #468 of 766 🔗

True – and, if EU trawlers ever land the Sturgeon, they will take one look and throw it back into the sea!

322825 ▶▶ Waldorf, replying to Albert, #469 of 766 🔗

In the actual film, those pragmatic nobles who end up betraying him are much more like Scots today.

322792 dhid, 4, #470 of 766 🔗

Apologies if this has been posted already:


That’s the way to do it……

322794 George Mc, 18, #471 of 766 🔗

If anyone’s interested, I just returned from my nerve wracking drive to escort the grannies home past the Boxing Day Gestapo. And it was like Piccadilly Circus in the rush hour! Can’t help feeling disappointed. I didn’t get the chance to try out our little routine.

322795 assoc, replying to assoc, 15, #472 of 766 🔗

So, 10,000 truckers tested in Kent using Lateral flow. 24 positives (0.25%). 500,000 people tested elsewhere in BC UK with PCR. 32,000 positives (6%). 24 times as many per capita.

322798 ▶▶ iane, replying to assoc, 18, #473 of 766 🔗

Well, not surprisingly, the virus knows it better not try anything on with the typical trucker!

322891 ▶▶ crimsonpirate, replying to assoc, 7, #474 of 766 🔗

and the French authorities are happy to accept these tests.

322897 ▶▶▶ assoc, replying to crimsonpirate, 11, #475 of 766 🔗

Yes. I think it shows that everyone knows the whole testing operation is s**t

322810 Smelly Melly, replying to Smelly Melly, 26, #476 of 766 🔗

I’m watching Calamity Jane, I haven’t watched it for decades. It so politically incorrect it’s wonderful, sexist, racist, stereotypical etc, it’s brilliant. There are lines in the film I couldn’t even put up on this site.

322884 ▶▶ Jo Dominich, replying to Smelly Melly, 5, #477 of 766 🔗

Watched it too. Great music great story. I’m actually going to watch Grease at 5.00pm. That’ll take me back many years!

322827 swedenborg, replying to swedenborg, 19, #478 of 766 🔗


As of 2017, the percentage inhabitants with a foreign background in Sweden had risen to 24.1 %.(from Wkipedia)

However, 46% of all ICU treated for C-19 in Sweden have foreign background. Of all deaths below 65 in Sweden half has foreign background most from Middle East and Africa. Earlier studies showed that Somalians in Sweden has 12 times higher mortality in C-19 than native born Swedes.
Finland has the lowest percentage of foreign born in the Nordic countries. Norway and Denmark have more but never the same amount as in Sweden. This is one of the reasons for the difference in C-19 mortality between Sweden and neighbouring countries(though Denmark seems to be catching up a bit)

322833 ▶▶ Julian, replying to swedenborg, 8, #479 of 766 🔗

An excellent illustration of the hazards of comparing outcomes in different countries with one another simplistically

322875 ▶▶▶ RickH, replying to Julian, 3, #480 of 766 🔗

Absolutely. I would guess here that we have a classic correlation-not-causation conundrum that binds up the surface variable with economic factors.

322837 Charlie Blue, replying to Charlie Blue, 20, #481 of 766 🔗


“The new variant will lead to a wave of coronavirus cases and deaths that will peak in spring 2021 for London, the South East and east of England, they said.
They said that cases and deaths will peak in summer 2021 for the rest of the country.”

So the London School of Hygience and Tropical Medicine must reject any notion of seasonality. The narrative that we need to be kept locked down forever is being strengthened, it seems.

322839 ▶▶ OKUK, replying to Charlie Blue, 19, #482 of 766 🔗

On what basis are they rejecting the well established effects of seasonality in coronaviruses? Seems like anti-science has taken hold. This is Lysenko grade stuff.

322842 ▶▶▶ Annie, replying to OKUK, 6, #483 of 766 🔗

They don’t have seasons in the tropics.
Except bedwetter and beddryer, possibly.

322846 ▶▶ DRW, replying to Charlie Blue, 4, #484 of 766 🔗

Wasn’t it nice to have one day without another doom prophecy?

322849 ▶▶▶ Charlie Blue, replying to DRW, 7, #485 of 766 🔗

Yes! I suspect they’ve got a whole warehouse jammed full with such prophecies ready to be deployed as needed.

322874 ▶▶▶▶ RickH, replying to Charlie Blue, 4, #486 of 766 🔗

It would be interesting to compile a black book of Covidmaniac prophecies their date, and the subsequent outcome. Anyone up for it?

322882 ▶▶▶▶▶ Jo Dominich, replying to RickH, 4, #487 of 766 🔗

I am.

322943 ▶▶▶ jonathan Palmer, replying to DRW, #488 of 766 🔗

Today Alternative sage said the whole country should be in Tier 4.

322847 ▶▶ DanClarke, replying to Charlie Blue, 5, #489 of 766 🔗

Ruining the country for sustainability it seems

322852 ▶▶ Major Panic, replying to Charlie Blue, 3, #490 of 766 🔗

‘more likely to affect children’
so a bit like long lost Influenza used to do before mysteriously going AWOL

322859 ▶▶ DanClarke, replying to Charlie Blue, 7, #491 of 766 🔗

They could literally say anything COULD happen and they do

322872 ▶▶ RickH, replying to Charlie Blue, 5, #492 of 766 🔗

It would be interesting to know what their forecast was at the beginning of the April spike – the disappearance of the virus during the summer drove a lot of myth-making to keep the Scary Fairy flying.

322881 ▶▶ Jo Dominich, replying to Charlie Blue, 6, #493 of 766 🔗

Well, since every other bloody forecast by these nutters has never materialised this should be treated with the same contempt. They have no way of knowing. Big, important question MSM are not asking, there is no evidence of any mutant virus, WHO said the one Wancock told the House was ‘new’ and 70% greater transmissibility was neither new as they had been tracking it since September and there was no evidence at all to suggest it transmitted any faster or differently to the one in the here and now. Why aren’t the MSM asking these questions. So how can LSHTM make these predictions. They make them up of course.a smid

You know, I would have a smidgeon of respect for Johnson and his cabal if they just came out and said “hey guys, the truth is the endgame is Totalitarian Fascist Government, we’re just using this virus to get you used to it”.

322888 ▶▶ crimsonpirate, replying to Charlie Blue, 3, #494 of 766 🔗

on that basis it was completely reckless for the French et al lifting their blockade within 48 hours. Alternatively they were reassured by our Govt. Love to know what they were told.

322851 jhfreedom, replying to jhfreedom, 36, #495 of 766 🔗

Boxing Day thoughts.

Not sure about others’ experiences but I am seeing plenty of examples of non-compliance in the Southeast of England. Lots of couples in cars wearing xmas jumpers off ‘somewhere’ and large groups walking around. My hope is that mass non-compliance renders the regime absurd in January. Far more effective than any Central London protest. I think it’s a race between a collapse of compliance and a vaccine for the title of ‘Destroyer of The Madness’. Either way, we can look forward to this being ‘over’ in its current form within 6-9 months or so.

In the meantime, I still can’t work out who the 70%+ in polls are who welcome Tier 4. SAGE Christmas party someone joked to me the other day! But seriously, who is up for Tier 4 out there…If 70%+ want it, and I reckon full compliance is barely at 50%, then there is an overlap of people who want Tier 4 but are happy to break the rules.

Stranger things have happened I suppose…

322856 ▶▶ Tom Blackburn, replying to jhfreedom, 25, #496 of 766 🔗

I would say over half want restrictions on other people, not themselves but don’t really understand that when other’s liberties are removed, invariably, they are removing liberties from themselves. It’s always someone else’s fault. Maskers blame the maskless, we blame bedwetters, northerners blame southerners etc etc. It’s human nature, I suppose.

322860 ▶▶▶ jhfreedom, replying to Tom Blackburn, 7, #497 of 766 🔗

Interesting point. Just as the ruling class signal it’s all a good idea, but then Cummings, Prince William, Nicola Sturgeon et al go and break the rules. Like this is what we should do, but in reality this is what we will do. Are the rules aspirational? Are they designed not to be taken too seriously…I mean the English police have no power of entry to enforce them. There is a gap there and I wonder if it’s by design…

322864 ▶▶▶▶ Tom Blackburn, replying to jhfreedom, 8, #498 of 766 🔗

Aspirational. Yes, I’d agree with that. You put it much more succinctly than me. This is why Sweden – aside from the nitty gritty of stats/data – got this spot on from the outset. They took a longitudinal view to all of this recognising at the heart of it that people are people.

322861 ▶▶ Fingerache Philip, replying to jhfreedom, 13, #499 of 766 🔗

There will be high levels of compliance as long as they (including my elder son and partner) can “work from home”.

322870 ▶▶ RickH, replying to jhfreedom, 3, #500 of 766 🔗

It’s not all that strange, jh – it’s dealing with two different perceptions/value systems. I think that it is possible to find parallel situations of a conflict between ‘principle’ and the exception for individual incidents of behaviour.

322876 ▶▶ Jo Dominich, replying to jhfreedom, 13, #501 of 766 🔗

SAGE have a Christmas Party? Must be awful. Witless, Unbalanced, Pantsdown and the rest of the fanatics in there. Probably more funereal than party mode. 70% more likely a 77th offensive. I think there are two prongs to the attack the first is Mass Non Compliance – by the people, by the Pubs, by the Retail sector. Open and be damned. You will be supported. No mask wearing. Around here people don’t social distance anyway. The second is millions turning out on the Streets and saying enough. Revolt and be damned. But revolt anyway.

322883 ▶▶ crimsonpirate, replying to jhfreedom, 3, #502 of 766 🔗

problem with opinion polls is people respond assuming there is a right answer.

322885 ▶▶ R G, replying to jhfreedom, 7, #503 of 766 🔗

Between pensioners, those who enjoy working from home, the frightened and the hypochondriacs, I quite easily see how you get up to 70%.

322914 ▶▶ LMS2, replying to jhfreedom, 3, #504 of 766 🔗

Heard on Talk Radio before Xmas: one person had given his opinion to a YouGov pol months ago that he disagreed with lockdowns.
Was not contacted by them again.
Second person (via text or Facebook) also took part in YouGov polls on a regular basis, was a supporter of lockdown.
Maybe YouGov is selecting who they ask.

322927 ▶▶ Ovis, replying to jhfreedom, #505 of 766 🔗

70 percent is a lie. It’s like the result of a Zimbabwean election. People believe it only because that kind of thing doesn’t happen here.

322855 DanClarke, replying to DanClarke, 24, #506 of 766 🔗

Did I hear on TALK radio last night, (driving in the sticks with bad reception), that the Danish politicians had apologised to the population for the lockdowns saying they didnt work and wouldnt be doing more?

322873 ▶▶ Jo Dominich, replying to DanClarke, 10, #507 of 766 🔗

I think you probably did because I heard it somewhere I think, probably on the World Service or something. The ole’ Sherry hazed the world a bit!

322907 ▶▶▶ DanClarke, replying to Jo Dominich, 6, #508 of 766 🔗

Interesting isint it, not much else about it, they were also discussing big events planned for next year, like the olympics etc, which the msm don’t seem to want to talk about, just want to keep up the hysterical rhetoric.

323042 ▶▶▶▶ Tom in Scotland, replying to DanClarke, 1, #509 of 766 🔗

I don’t know how Japan can pull off the Olympics at this rate.

322919 ▶▶ Tom in Scotland, replying to DanClarke, 3, #510 of 766 🔗

I thought that was Norway, way back in May? The dreadful Danish PM just gets worse and worse, leading to the most recent act of stupidity – the cull of the mink (which was totally unnecessary).

322857 George Mc, replying to George Mc, 7, #511 of 766 🔗

I was surprised (or perhaps not) to find this article from as much as a year ago:


‘How to fend off your conspiracy obsessed relatives during the holiday season’

It’s embarrassing to think of programmed Orwellian child spies soaking up these manual directives in how to defuse taboo drifts. (Note the chilling line: ‘Experts say the best approach is a gentle one’)

The entire article consists of the device: set up straw men and tackle by countering with even strawier men:

So from the conveniently comic ‘Uncle Ted’:

‘… starts screaming that the world is flat…. secretly teaming up to expose Tom Hanks as a cannibal …Meghan Markle is a robot…’ etc.

To which you counter with your devastating ripostes:

‘…everyone involved was a known lizard person, which, if you think about it, explains how aliens from Roswell killed JFK and faked the moon landing.’

And thus, does the Graud inspired ‘intellectual’ convince himself he’s such a smart bastard by regurgitating programmed ‘witticisms’.

But that was from the good old days when you could larf. Not now. ‘Crazy conspiracy theories’ re: covid cannot even be allowed into the mainstream at all yet. When wind finally reaches those hallowed Graud pillars, expect rather sterner directives.

322871 ▶▶ Liz F, replying to George Mc, 18, #512 of 766 🔗

And this from today’s BBC News website from their “Specialist disinformation reporter” (yes, you did read that correctly) https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/blogs-trending-55355911
I didn’t think it was possible to despise BBC News more than I already do but here they’ve plumbed new depths.

322886 ▶▶▶ RickH, replying to Liz F, 7, #513 of 766 🔗

Sadly, this is not an unusual example of the intellectual bankruptcy of much that passes for journalism – the hard of understanding sopping up the official propaganda like a sponge and attacking a range of straw men, without regard to any hard data or analysis.

322893 ▶▶▶ godowneasy, replying to Liz F, 11, #514 of 766 🔗

Much disinformation doth spring from marianna’s pen. I enjoy looking at the BBC news site to find out what the masses are supposed to think. I call it research but sometimes it feels like researching how much dog shit is on the pavement by deliberately stepping in it.

322901 ▶▶▶ mjr, replying to Liz F, 17, #515 of 766 🔗

lots of photos of people who suffered from covid. all overweight and unhealthy. perhaps some connection.?
also disappointed that we did not get a mention
she also has link to page “how to spot fake news”.. answer… See if it says BBC. !!!!

322903 ▶▶▶ Julian, replying to Liz F, 10, #516 of 766 🔗

I got this from her colleague Michael Wendling

Of course those who believe in conspiracy theories are not going to call their beliefs conspiracy theories, and are going to call themselves mainstream, moderate people.
We viewed footage of the speakers and spoke to people who were there.
We have no obligation to give a platform to erroneous ideas . We don’t, to take an extreme example, broadcast the manifestos of mass murderers alongside police statements so that people can “make up their own minds”.
I’m not saying the people there were violent. Some of them were (as the story reflected) were drawn by legitimate concerns. B ut the speakers (Mr Icke and others) were not expressing mainstream views that would benefit from airing and debate .

We always knew they thought like this, but it’s interesting they unashamedly admit that they believe it is their job to know better and guide the plebs to the “right” thinking

322911 ▶▶▶▶ Liz F, replying to Julian, 7, #517 of 766 🔗

Yes, their arrogance is breathtaking sometimes. Like their daily “What you need to know” section (or, “We’ll tell you what we think you should know”), and if you scroll down you can read all about “Why you can trust BBC news”. Enough to make you choke on your Boxing Day mince pie.

322918 ▶▶▶▶▶ RickH, replying to Liz F, 1, #518 of 766 🔗

What is ideally needed is forensic challenge, based on simple (?) factual issues. But, of course, this is prevented by control of the interview.

322925 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Liz F, replying to RickH, #519 of 766 🔗

And no doubt they would just reject any challenge as “fake news”.

322913 ▶▶▶▶ DRW, replying to Julian, 7, #520 of 766 🔗

Orwell’s Ministry of Truth is real.

323009 ▶▶▶▶▶ Annie, replying to DRW, #521 of 766 🔗

So is the Ministry of Love. Really big in Gulag Wales, with its thugs patrolling the borders to terrorise travellers.

322920 ▶▶▶ RickH, replying to Liz F, 4, #522 of 766 🔗

How much airtime is Deborah Cohen getting? Genuine question from someone who avoids BBC News like dog sick. I ask because she does have a good journalistic record, compared with the above neophyte straight out of the ‘hallowed halls’ who clearly doesn’t know whether it’s shit, shave or breakfast time.

322992 ▶▶▶▶ Nessimmersion, replying to RickH, #523 of 766 🔗

Further reinforcing the adage that the Left/SJW always project, eternally accusing others of what they are either plotting to do or doing themselves.

323006 ▶▶▶ George Mc, replying to Liz F, 2, #524 of 766 🔗

Fascinating link. It leads on to this


‘Man who believed virus was hoax loses wife to Covid-19’

And right way you know this is a covid morality tale to ‘edify’ those who dare to depart from the covid gospel.

So we read about Brian Lee Hitchens and his wife, Erin who, it seems, were corrupted by ‘claims online that the virus was fabricated, linked to 5G or similar to the flu’. And so they ‘didn’t follow health guidance or seek help when they fell ill in early May. Brian recovered but his 46-year-old wife became critically ill and died this month from heart problems linked to the virus .

It’s interesting that we then hear about how ‘Brian spoke to the BBC in July as part of an investigation into the human cost of coronavirus misinformation’ while, ‘his wife was on a ventilator in hospital’.

Note how we have ‘an investigation into the human cost of coronavirus misinformation’. So not exactly an open-ended investigation then. No, this investigation already has its mind made up!

Then after the title ‘Deadly conspiracy theories’ we read that ‘Erin, a pastor in Florida, had existing health problems – she suffered from asthma and a sleeping disorder.’ So (blasphemous thought) …it wasn’t entirely covid then.

‘Her husband explained that the couple did not follow health guidance at the start of the pandemic because of the false claims they had seen online. Brian continued to work as a taxi driver and to collect his wife’s medicine without observing social distancing rules or wearing a mask. They had also failed to seek help as soon as possible when they fell ill in May and were both subsequently diagnosed with Covid-19.’

We are to assume that it was the failure to wear masks and to socially distance that led to them falling ill. Was it? It is somewhat murkier about that failure to seek help after they had caught it. This is, after all, covid. What can you do? And – the most blasphemous thought of all: Assuming they were diagnosed with covid from a PCR test, was the test even accurate?

However, this is an article that may ambush the unwary with its relative subtlety . The next bit risks plummeting into pure farce:

‘In May, a BBC team tracking coronavirus misinformation found links to assaults, arson and deaths.’

Oh, it would be so tempting to extend these sinister ‘consequences of coronavirus misinformation’ further: to paedophilia, anti-Semitism, Satanic orgies etc.

322858 bebophaircut, replying to bebophaircut, 18, #525 of 766 🔗

We have to become more doggedly determined than the people who are trying to reshape our world.

322863 ▶▶ Tom Blackburn, replying to bebophaircut, 11, #526 of 766 🔗

It’s effortless too. Just let ‘them’ tie themselves in knots with ever-changing rules and guidelines that don’t work. Let them twist and turn facts into fiction and stitch a narrative together that is so thinly held together that most rational people find it laughable.

322869 ▶▶▶ DRW, replying to Tom Blackburn, 1, #527 of 766 🔗

There aren’t many of them it seems.

322947 ▶▶▶▶ PastImperfect, replying to DRW, 2, #528 of 766 🔗

But they seem to have a large number of willing foot soldiers.

322951 ▶▶▶▶▶ DRW, replying to PastImperfect, 1, #529 of 766 🔗

I meant rational people.

322879 NickR, replying to NickR, 27, #530 of 766 🔗

Death figures just released. Do you ever suspect there’s a pile of blokes in leather elbow patched corduroy jackets who sit on Sage silently preying just more of the bastard riffraff would peg it?

322904 ▶▶ Stephanos, replying to NickR, 9, #531 of 766 🔗

I think you mean ‘praying’, but ‘preying’ has an interesting implication.

322926 ▶▶ Bill H, replying to NickR, #532 of 766 🔗

Hi Nick, Great job on these graphs. Amazing.

Do you have a display of all cause mortality (population corrected) for the last, say 20 years, compared to this years numbers ?

Surely a very convincing one ?


322940 ▶▶▶ NickR, replying to Bill H, #533 of 766 🔗

Se above.

322880 NickR, replying to NickR, 23, #534 of 766 🔗

No matter how many people they test they just can’t find quite enough to demonstrate that there are poeple keeling over in the street.

322900 ▶▶ DRW, replying to NickR, 17, #535 of 766 🔗

Won’t be surprised if there’s a drop next week from not having stupid fuckwits getting pre-christmas tests.

322929 ▶▶ djaustin, replying to NickR, -13, #536 of 766 🔗

Deaths lag cases by two weeks. Come back on January 7-14th

322937 ▶▶▶ NickR, replying to djaustin, 9, #537 of 766 🔗

So why didn’t deaths rise 2 weeks after the start of lockdown 2?

323018 ▶▶▶ OKUK, replying to djaustin, 2, #538 of 766 🔗

Any old death will do, slap the Covid label on? Or do you mean actual Covid deaths.

323058 ▶▶▶ jonathan Palmer, replying to djaustin, 2, #539 of 766 🔗

I’m still waiting for the 4000 a day

322894 NickR, replying to NickR, 13, #540 of 766 🔗

Quick look at the supposed worst areas in East London. Looks like another stable door locked long after the horse had bolted.

322909 ▶▶ RickH, replying to NickR, 1, #541 of 766 🔗

“Stable Door” is too kind an image, Nick – that’s something which, if used correctly, has an effect.

322902 Sarigan (Day 278 of lockdown), replying to Sarigan (Day 278 of lockdown), 3, #542 of 766 🔗

WHO and the ‘flu pandemic’ conspiracies


322906 ▶▶ RickH, replying to Sarigan (Day 278 of lockdown), 6, #543 of 766 🔗

Yes – How quickly the 2010 scam was forgotten. Irony of ironies – it was a Labour MP/MEP who was responsible for the damning Council of Europe report on the affair. Ten years is a long time in politics and the decline to the deep level of moral repugnance represented by Starmer.

322905 bebophaircut, #544 of 766 🔗

New Age Spirituality:
Artificial Intelligence
Superficial Intellligence
Cliché ridden platitudes
Yum yum

322908 AnotherSceptic, replying to AnotherSceptic, 12, #545 of 766 🔗

Merry Christmas to one & all from the dictatorship that is now Scotland.

I have been up to my usual today, & also noising up the scared brainwashed sheep who populate the Scummy Edinburgh Live rag.
Check this out…comments more than anything else.


& also…this from the wanker Dentist, he said it this morning.


So basically, 3 weeks is a load of shite. Wankers.

322915 ▶▶ RickH, replying to AnotherSceptic, 23, #546 of 766 🔗

Scotland seems an even more obvious case of the danger of letting inadequates with significance problems near the reins of power without proper checks and balances in place. You end up with psychopathy and sociopathy running the show.

322932 ▶▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to RickH, 3, #547 of 766 🔗

If Scotland is an obvious case then Northern Ireland is just slap you in the face farsical.

322936 ▶▶▶▶ jonathan Palmer, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 9, #548 of 766 🔗

Germany the same.They show that lockdowns are political and have no basis in science.It also points to a worldwide conspiracy.

322958 ▶▶▶▶▶ iane, replying to jonathan Palmer, 6, #549 of 766 🔗

I used to think it was a cock-up; now I think it is a conspiracy to hide group-think cock-ups.

323033 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ jonathan Palmer, replying to iane, 3, #550 of 766 🔗

It’s undeniable that there is a conspiracy to keep the lockdown show on the road.The only thing up for debate is the underlying reason.

322988 ▶▶▶ Nessimmersion, replying to RickH, 1, #551 of 766 🔗

A thousand times yes in agreement.

322921 Sam Vimes, replying to Sam Vimes, 11, #552 of 766 🔗

Has anybody else noticed that their watch is stuck over this holiday? Everytime I look at mine, it says “Beer time”.

322924 ▶▶ Tom in Scotland, replying to Sam Vimes, 1, #553 of 766 🔗

It’s Beer o’Clock! My favourite time of the day (well, evening, usually….).

322956 ▶▶ iane, replying to Sam Vimes, 1, #554 of 766 🔗

No, not at all! [Mainly as I am more of a wine drinker!]

323040 ▶▶▶ Tom in Scotland, replying to iane, 1, #555 of 766 🔗

OK – I can do gin and tonic or Jack Daniels….

323079 ▶▶▶▶ FenTyger, replying to Tom in Scotland, 1, #556 of 766 🔗

Nope, mine has 5 settings Beer, White Port, Wine & more Wine, Port, Scotch. Then it repeats.

322928 NickR, replying to NickR, 25, #557 of 766 🔗

Scotland, how can the Scots be persuaded that there’s a worsening situation when there isn’t.

322931 ▶▶ dpj, replying to NickR, 17, #558 of 766 🔗

because sadly a large percentage of the country will believe anything that comes out of Nicola Sturgeon’s mouth without questioning it

322933 ▶▶▶ AnotherSceptic, replying to dpj, 11, #559 of 766 🔗

This exactly. It makes me ashamed to be Scottish.

322955 ▶▶▶▶ iane, replying to AnotherSceptic, 7, #560 of 766 🔗

Well, on the bright side, the Irish, Welsh and English are just as easily conned!

322971 ▶▶▶▶▶ bebophaircut, replying to iane, 3, #561 of 766 🔗

Most of the world has been conned.

322964 ▶▶▶ Tom in Scotland, replying to dpj, 2, #562 of 766 🔗

The Dear Leader is not to be questioned. She must be obeyed.

322969 ▶▶▶▶ bebophaircut, replying to Tom in Scotland, 1, #563 of 766 🔗

Like Rumpole’s wife.

322987 ▶▶▶ Nessimmersion, replying to dpj, 6, #564 of 766 🔗

Mainly down to a complicit BBC regurgitating every emanation from Kranke and her sockpuppet dentist, ramping up project fear and memory holing anything even mildly critical of der glorious leaderene.
It.makes Kuensberg (Cuntsberg?) seem rabidly Tory and Sopel a Tump loyalist, the degree of partiality on display is on a Baghdad Bob level and at least he had the excuse he’d be shot for disagreeing, although the speed at which the Natzis are moving to a Stalinist economic model makes it more likely they will use an eternally compliant Police Scotland to silence dissidents.

323039 ▶▶▶▶ Tom in Scotland, replying to Nessimmersion, 2, #565 of 766 🔗

It’s quite a change from how the BBC and most other forms of mainstream media treated the SNP only a few years ago! I can hardly believe it. Now the SNP is the establishment and the Unionists struggle to get any attention.

322934 ▶▶ Tenchy, replying to NickR, 14, #566 of 766 🔗

The Scots, and everyone else, will not be persuaded until the MSM start publishing graphs like this. They are culpable in the extreme for promoting the current hysteria.

322935 ▶▶ DRW, replying to NickR, 3, #567 of 766 🔗


323003 ▶▶ Annie, replying to NickR, 3, #568 of 766 🔗

Because the Scots, like the rest of the UK’s population, are stupid, cowardly zombies.
Next question.

323025 ▶▶▶ jb12, replying to Annie, #569 of 766 🔗

Excellent summary.

322939 NickR, replying to NickR, 9, #570 of 766 🔗

All cause mortality, not adjusted for population last 11 years.
Considering the NHS has been working part-time for 9 months it’s amazing. Excess deaths for the past 6 months have been people dying at home, not in hospitals.

322959 ▶▶ Steve Martindale, replying to NickR, 8, #571 of 766 🔗

It is shocking that Uberfuhrer Johnson and Gruppenfuhrer Hancock have such a poor grasp of statistics and project management that they are unable to review and assess these figures and realise that it is now all over. These sort of death stats do not justify any sort of public health intervention.

322966 ▶▶▶ bebophaircut, replying to Steve Martindale, 4, #572 of 766 🔗

Public Health is the new Global Religion. I just saw a French poster in a Montreal metro station that was fashioned as a New Year’s Resolution, courtesy of our public transport people. It read something like all I want for the new year is a healthy planet. The organization is called EspaceVie.

323119 ▶▶ RickH, replying to NickR, #573 of 766 🔗

This graph,covers a period of noted low mortality – so the current year looks disproportionately higher than it is in a longer term perspective

I’ve unfortunately not been able to post a complementary graph which puts it into a 27-year context. This shows current mortality at a low average level for that longer period.

322941 swedenborg, replying to swedenborg, 9, #574 of 766 🔗

Two excellent graphs from Clare Craig


 “Imagine you found a scientist who had been cut off from the world for a year and showed them this. Do you think they’d be persuaded by this that we were in the midst of an epidemic. Or would they think the data was a bit noisy?

322942 ▶▶ swedenborg, replying to swedenborg, 9, #575 of 766 🔗


“When you then go on to tell them that it is essentially a disease of the elderly and show them this..

322952 ▶▶▶ Steve Martindale, replying to swedenborg, 19, #576 of 766 🔗

I have been harangued on twitter several times by people saying it is impossible to shield the elderly and the vulnerable and yet the elderly and the vulnerable do seem to be quite savvy enough to do this quite well as it is. And it does not mean they have to be isolated, we have a coffee morning in our village which is well set up for vulnerable people to attend and they do and nobody has caught covid.

322963 ▶▶▶▶ Julian, replying to Steve Martindale, 8, #577 of 766 🔗

It’s clearly hard to shield them completely, but shutting everything down doesn’t seem to have done much good either

322994 ▶▶▶▶ Cheshirecatslave, replying to Steve Martindale, 2, #578 of 766 🔗

I’ve had to shield myself most of my life. Society does not have to shut down, one simply takes sensible precautions like my Mum did when I was a vulnerable child. Plenty of fresh air, no crowded places and avoiding those who were showing respiratory symptoms. The idiots in charge can’t even provide grocery delivery slots for the vulnerable!

322944 GiftWrappedKittyCat, 18, #579 of 766 🔗

Ryanair have an appalling advert on their social media accounts which strongly suggests that vaccines will be a condition of travel. If you have a spare minute then please leave a comment on their posts. A few minutes ago there were over 100 comments on their Instagram post, every one disagreeing with vaccine coercion.

322945 Andrew K, replying to Andrew K, 14, #580 of 766 🔗

So Ryan Air new adverts Starts with Covid vaccine is here and ends in “Jab and Go”.

Yikes looks look coercion has started alrady

322961 ▶▶ wayno, replying to Andrew K, 1, #581 of 766 🔗

The replys are golden though

322962 ▶▶ leggy, replying to Andrew K, 4, #582 of 766 🔗

Just seen it on TV. Absolutely disgusting.

322977 ▶▶ godowneasy, replying to Andrew K, 11, #583 of 766 🔗

Described here: https://www.rt.com/news/510650-ryanair-promote-summer-flights/

My message to ryanair – take yer jab and stick up yer arse

323016 ▶▶ Silke David, replying to Andrew K, #584 of 766 🔗

The travel company “on the beach” new advert made me angry and so many more feelings.

323076 ▶▶▶ dhpaul, replying to Silke David, #585 of 766 🔗

Yes, just seen it, absolutely appalling

322946 swedenborg, replying to swedenborg, 14, #586 of 766 🔗

This is ironic. This is not from an antivax blogger. This is from ABC affiliated news network one of the MSM in US. Don’t think this advice will increase the uptake further.


 ABC Fertility Report: ‘Men May Want To Consider Freezing Sperm’ Before COVID Vaccine

322953 ▶▶ iane, replying to swedenborg, 7, #587 of 766 🔗

Well, Bill Gates will be pleased!

322950 swedenborg, replying to swedenborg, 21, #589 of 766 🔗


 Interesting take from Fergusson interview with Times

“I think people’s sense of what is possible in terms of control changed quite dramatically between January and March,” Professor Ferguson says. When SAGE observed the “innovative intervention” out of China, of locking entire communities down and not permitting them to leave their homes, they initially presumed it would not be an available option in a liberal Western democracy:
It’s a communist one party state, we said. We couldn’t get away with it in Europe, we thought… and then Italy did it. And we realised we could.

322954 ▶▶ Ovis, replying to swedenborg, 25, #590 of 766 🔗

‘And we realised we could.’

So much of this has been about people getting their rocks off.

322957 ▶▶ Will, replying to swedenborg, 33, #591 of 766 🔗

The man is a sociopath.

323005 ▶▶ A. Contrarian, replying to swedenborg, 22, #592 of 766 🔗

That comment is chilling. Now they’ve done it once, now they’ve realised it’s possible, anything goes. Lockdown every time the NHS staff feel a little bit pressured and overwhelmed, i.e. every winter. SAGE, the media and Starmer (or whoever follows him) will scream about saving thousands of lives etc, and it will happen.

At least I’ve had half my life in a world where lockdowns didn’t exist. My 6 yo has got all of hers to go, and that’s what makes me sadder than anything else at all.

322960 rockoman, replying to rockoman, 5, #593 of 766 🔗

In the following video Denis Rancourt looks at the state of society, how we got here and how we can change it.

Individuals have to be prepared to fight back and group organization is essential.

The final section from 19 minutes is especially relevant.

Video is 26minutes long.


323013 ▶▶ Tom in Scotland, replying to rockoman, 4, #594 of 766 🔗

Many thanks for this; finally got round to watching it. I know others have recommended him before and I can see why.

If you are interested in the works he mentioned, the paper ‘Self-organization and time-stability of social hierarchies’ is here:

His own book, Hierarchy and Free Expression in the Fight Against Racism , has a web page here:


Have a look in you’re interested. I think he’s absolutely right about how we will need to resist, even if it means making a sacrifice, but we need to think carefully about how to be effective when we do this. Organisation is a bit part of this.

323021 ▶▶▶ rockoman, replying to Tom in Scotland, 1, #595 of 766 🔗

Thanks for the lnks Tom.

I’m currently going through a couple of papers Rancourt has written..

I find him to be the most articulate and informed commentator, not only on technical questions such as the uselessness of masks, but also on wider questions such as the place of covid in the geopolitical collapse now threatening the dollar-centric financial system.

323036 ▶▶▶▶ Tom in Scotland, replying to rockoman, 4, #596 of 766 🔗

You’re welcome. I’m just listening to an interview with him that is also very good (though long – you might want to put it on in the background while you do something else):


He’s right on when it comes to the rise of authoritarianism (I’m a politics lecturer) and the way universities and academic peer review have deteriorated. Yes, I know all about it….

We are moving very quickly towards a new dark age of anti-scientific superstition and cults unless this madness stops very, very soon.

323056 ▶▶▶▶▶ jonathan Palmer, replying to Tom in Scotland, 3, #597 of 766 🔗

It’s not anti scientific superstition;it’s the corruption of science to suit political aims.

323063 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Tom in Scotland, replying to jonathan Palmer, 1, #598 of 766 🔗

That too!

323057 ▶▶▶▶▶ Waldorf, replying to Tom in Scotland, 3, #599 of 766 🔗

Since the BS is supposedly scientific that could happen, because I think there is going to be an anti-science reaction when the pendulum swings back, which it will, maybe next year but certainly at some point.

323065 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Tom in Scotland, replying to Waldorf, #600 of 766 🔗

Yes, I have been worried about this myself.

322965 Cheshirecatslave, replying to Cheshirecatslave, 29, #601 of 766 🔗

I found my Christmas visit to church friends S and B a real eye-opener. Everyone at church knew B is so scared of the virus he won’t live with his wife, but knowing and seeing is something different. He treated me as if I had every deadly plague in existence and poor S even worse keeping telling her to move further and further away from him and from me. He even demanded she don a mask when not eating. He wears 3 masks soaked in TCP. At least he accepted I was exempt. I told him of the Marines study and that I was cautious but to no avail. He is 71, but healthy.

The day before I visited my cousin, we both are vulnerable with health issues, but we didn’t act like B!

Seeing a grown man as a quivering jelly is not a pretty sight. At least I could get away. B said (It’s too dangerous for you to stay long. Everyone should keep the rules, why don’t they?) SAGE are literally driving people crazy and I thought I was nervous of catching anything! It is alarming no one seems to are that fear and stress wreck the immune system.

I’m sticking to my sensible friends from now on, luckily most of them are.

322967 ▶▶ Ossettian, replying to Cheshirecatslave, 19, #602 of 766 🔗

“so scared of the virus he won’t live with his wife”

He’s severely mentally ill.

She should divorce him.

322979 ▶▶▶ Cheshirecatslave, replying to Ossettian, 10, #603 of 766 🔗

I certainly would! S is a saint. She takes his meals round to the house where he lived before they married. I think he needs professional mental health, but that is hard to come by at the moment.

322993 ▶▶▶▶ Charlie Blue, replying to Cheshirecatslave, 7, #604 of 766 🔗

A sainted fool. If I were her I would tell him it was far too dangerous for me to prepare his food and thereby contaminate it.

323032 ▶▶▶▶▶ Annie, replying to Charlie Blue, 12, #605 of 766 🔗

I’d let him choose between starving to death and risking the virus. And Iwouldn’t worry either way..

323078 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Cheshirecatslave, replying to Annie, 2, #606 of 766 🔗

I’d tell him to order his groceries from the supermarket delivery service or if I felt generous leave a week’s supply of ready meals on the step, not go round several times a day with freshly cooked food!

323110 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Cheshirecatslave, #607 of 766 🔗

Exactly. She’s enabling him.

323109 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Annie, 1, #608 of 766 🔗

I’d buy him a toaster and some tins of beans.

323108 ▶▶▶ RickH, replying to Ossettian, #609 of 766 🔗

Yes. That’s the way to deal with induced mental illness, isn’t it?

322968 ▶▶ leggy, replying to Cheshirecatslave, 11, #610 of 766 🔗

Psychological abuse on an unprecedented scale. I don’t know how those responsible can live with themselves. Do they have no morality?

322981 ▶▶▶ Cheshirecatslave, replying to leggy, 3, #611 of 766 🔗

Sadly so, I had to do a lot of tongue biting, though I did express some of my views. I think he is mentally unwell

322970 ▶▶ Tom Blackburn, replying to Cheshirecatslave, 1, #612 of 766 🔗

It’s for his own good and that of others.

322982 ▶▶▶ Cheshirecatslave, replying to Tom Blackburn, #613 of 766 🔗

Obviously he believes that.

322974 ▶▶ DRW, replying to Cheshirecatslave, #614 of 766 🔗

I often complain about people on here but you guys always know worse!

322986 ▶▶▶ Cheshirecatslave, replying to DRW, 2, #615 of 766 🔗

This is my first prolonged encounter with such craziness though I guess I could also count my former friend who decided in March it was too dangerous to see me as someone might touch her on the way and give her the virus.

323001 ▶▶ l835, replying to Cheshirecatslave, 4, #616 of 766 🔗

I’d imagine the TCP fumes and skin contact with it won’t be doing him much good either?

323081 ▶▶▶ Cheshirecatslave, replying to l835, #617 of 766 🔗

I’m sure they can’t be, he kept coughing. He even talked on the phone wearing a mask while I was there and goes for country bike rides wearing one!

323037 ▶▶ dhid, replying to Cheshirecatslave, 8, #618 of 766 🔗

He wears 3 masks soaked in TCP”

Perhaps he’s worried about “mask mouth” the infection discovered on people wearing masks for long periods. Lol!

But seriously, he must be mentally ill to behave like that.

323045 ▶▶▶ Tom in Scotland, replying to dhid, 6, #619 of 766 🔗

I think all Covidians are mentally ill! They are suffering from psychosis.

323068 ▶▶▶▶ dhid, replying to Tom in Scotland, 1, #620 of 766 🔗

Yes I’m starting to think that must be true.

323075 ▶▶▶ Ovis, replying to dhid, 2, #621 of 766 🔗

I know someone who was obsessively dipping his fingers in a bowl of dilute bleach. He now seems to be in a state of weird flux – generally quite sceptical, but occasionally lapsing into full on lunacy. Still, he was at our Christmas dinner with no hint of nuttiness.

So yes, this is psychological abuse. But the effects appear to be wearing off, even compared to the Summer.

323088 ▶▶▶▶ dhid, replying to Ovis, 4, #622 of 766 🔗

I am personally seriously pissed off with all the “infomericials” – you know “hands, face, space” etc and all the other crap on radio, that comes on every few minutes. I mostly manage to filter it out but, just sometimes I want to smash the radio or iPad.

As you say I think slowly, slowly people are starting to become suspicious about the “facts” being presented to them.

I never miss an opportunity to try to pass the truth to people I interact with daily – trouble is, it’s an uphill struggle!

323137 ▶▶▶▶▶ Pancho the Grey, replying to dhid, 1, #623 of 766 🔗

Do you mean to say you didn’t spend Christmas day with all the windows open to “blow the virus particles out of the house”. I use my vacuum cleaner to suck them up, so I am alright.

323167 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ dhid, replying to Pancho the Grey, #624 of 766 🔗

Ah yes those those “particles”………..

323135 ▶▶▶▶ Pancho the Grey, replying to Ovis, #625 of 766 🔗

It also plays havoc with the fingerprint lock on computers.

323082 ▶▶▶ Cheshirecatslave, replying to dhid, 1, #626 of 766 🔗

I feel he needs professional help. Whether he’d get any at the moment is another matter. He had to go to hospital with a tooth abcess.

323089 ▶▶▶▶ dhid, replying to Cheshirecatslave, 1, #627 of 766 🔗

Yes it’s a bit of a lottery at the moment. I guess he might be more worried about that (rightly probably) than anything else.

We are being mentally tortured here.

Personally I believe that “crimes against humanity” fit the bill, strong I know, but not irrational when you look at how people are being affected by this nonsense.

323168 ▶▶▶▶▶ Cheshirecatslave, replying to dhid, 1, #628 of 766 🔗

I agree with you. My mental health suffered in the spring, now I’m angry.

322972 AnotherSceptic, 14, #629 of 766 🔗

I will just leave this here..

Lot of haters of Matt Wankcock 🤙🏻


322975 Cheshirecatslave, replying to Cheshirecatslave, 18, #630 of 766 🔗

Did it never occur to our crazy Government that cutting Christmas gatherings to one day would most likely lead to larger gatherings, people packed closer together in homes and buses and trains more crowded, therefore leading to more bugs of every variety to plague the sainted NHS. I sincerely hope people kept to their original plans as I did.

322984 ▶▶ leggy, replying to Cheshirecatslave, 11, #631 of 766 🔗

Absolutely we have, my folks have just left after their traditional Boxing Day lunch visit. No fear 4 rules observed here.

322989 ▶▶▶ Ovis, replying to leggy, 6, #632 of 766 🔗

Here normality reigns.

322991 ▶▶▶▶ Cheshirecatslave, replying to Ovis, 3, #633 of 766 🔗


322990 ▶▶▶ Cheshirecatslave, replying to leggy, 2, #634 of 766 🔗

Good for you.

322995 ▶▶ A. Contrarian, replying to Cheshirecatslave, 14, #635 of 766 🔗

In a word – no. Just like it didn’t occur to them that people might go out for one last drink/meal/party before Lockdown 2, or that people might try to get out of London when Tier 4 was announced with only 8 hours notice.

This is because they are basing policy on models produced by academic geeks with no experience of living in the real world. They don’t seem to understand how humans think or behave as the models all assume we are robots.

323074 ▶▶▶ Cheshirecatslave, replying to A. Contrarian, 1, #636 of 766 🔗

I feel that too, they forget we are human. Then they do things like closing pubs at 10 so people might gather in a one-room bedsit to keep drinking which is way riskier!

323044 ▶▶ Two-Six, replying to Cheshirecatslave, 7, #637 of 766 🔗

All their mental planning is based around how thing USED TO BE anyway. Things have been so far from normal for almost a whole year now.

So all this crap they come up with about pubs and resteraunts and how we interact is irellevant now. Society is so broken it bears no resemblance of how things were before the bastards dropped the COVID1984 bomb.

It’s all 100% BS.

323107 ▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Cheshirecatslave, 1, #638 of 766 🔗

Well cases were dropping, despite their best attempts ……

322996 swedenborg, replying to swedenborg, 4, #639 of 766 🔗

This does not seem to be bogus. In fact,, already starting to commercialise this discovery.



“The entire world is currently looking for effective solutions to disinfect the coronavirus,” said Professor Mamane. “The problem is that in order to disinfect a bus, train, sports hall, or plane by chemical spraying, you need physical manpower, and in order for the spraying to be effective, you have to give the chemical time to act on the surface. Disinfection systems based on LED bulbs, however, can be installed in the ventilation system and air conditioner, for example, and sterilize the air sucked in and then emitted into the room.
“We discovered that it is quite simple to kill the coronavirus using LED bulbs that radiate ultraviolet light,” she explained. “We killed the viruses using cheaper and more readily available LED bulbs, which consume little energy and do not contain mercury like regular bulbs. Our research has commercial and societal implications, given the possibility of using such LED bulbs in all areas of our lives, safely and quickly.”

322999 ▶▶ l835, replying to swedenborg, 7, #640 of 766 🔗

Didn’t Trump suggest that ages ago?

323000 ▶▶▶ Annie, replying to l835, 5, #641 of 766 🔗

He was LED to a revelation and the light shined upon him?

323002 ▶▶▶▶ l835, replying to Annie, 7, #642 of 766 🔗

How ironic if Trump really did have the answers to the virus all along!!

323041 ▶▶▶▶▶ OKUK, replying to l835, 1, #643 of 766 🔗

Well, he is an incredibly stable genius, so why not? 🙂

323073 ▶▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to l835, 5, #644 of 766 🔗

He did. Russian scientists were looking at using UV light on humans as a way of treating infection. Of course the conference where it was mentioned was very loose and he hadn’t scripted what he said.

So it came off like something he’d overheard on a bus.

He was also right about HCQ, about the rona being no worse than the flu, that lockdowns are extremely dangerous. The MSM will tell you he lost the election because of his handling of the coronavirus response. The truth is that is how the MSM portray his loss and the US, if Bidens victory holds, will spend the next 12 months just how right Trump was while paying a huge price

323038 ▶▶ Two-Six, replying to swedenborg, 4, #645 of 766 🔗

WOW, Imagine if they installed UV lights everywhere…that would be freekin cosmic!

323106 ▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to swedenborg, #646 of 766 🔗

Sounds a great idea, so I doubt it will survive for long.

322997 frankfrankly, replying to frankfrankly, 7, #647 of 766 🔗

Seems the WHO changed its definition of herd immunity to only include achieving it by vaccination. https://www.aier.org/article/who-deletes-naturally-acquired-immunity-from-its-website/ It now says that herd immunity is acquired only by protectiing people from infection, not exposing them to it-countering thousands of years of biology. Rather convenient for the pharma vaccine-producing companies. The WHO is of course half funded by governments and half by private companies.

323012 ▶▶ godowneasy, replying to frankfrankly, 3, #648 of 766 🔗

Yes indeed – but the oracle wikipedia still has the correct definition.

323028 ▶▶▶ this is my username, replying to godowneasy, 2, #649 of 766 🔗

Screengrab that for future reference – it may well be changed very soon.

323048 ▶▶▶▶ jonathan Palmer, replying to this is my username, 2, #650 of 766 🔗

Into the digital memory hole like asymptomatic transmission being very rare and political pressure to mandate mask wearing.

323060 ▶▶▶▶ Tenchy, replying to this is my username, #651 of 766 🔗

No need to. All versions of Wikipedia articles, even if a change is minimal, are kept in the article history.

323066 ▶▶▶ Tenchy, replying to godowneasy, 1, #652 of 766 🔗

I just had a look. It’s a good article, unlike this one, which is one of the worst articles on Wikipedia:


323104 ▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to godowneasy, #653 of 766 🔗

For now!

323015 ▶▶ RickH, replying to frankfrankly, 4, #654 of 766 🔗

Both fascinating and frightening in its vivid illustration of the WHO bending data to firt a commercial narrative – because I can’t think of any other explanation. Ditto masks. Dirtto – lockdowns ….

323077 ▶▶ p02099003, replying to frankfrankly, 1, #655 of 766 🔗

The WHO redefined pandemic, case and now community immunity

322998 Londo Mollari, replying to Londo Mollari, #656 of 766 🔗

Can anyone help me please? I’ve just been arguing on Facebook about the asymptomatic transmission of respiratory viruses myth, and then somebody posted this scientific paper from 2019 (pre-covid). Any thoughts? https://www.cambridge.org/core/journals/epidemiology-and-infection/article/rates-of-asymptomatic-respiratory-virus-infection-across-age-groups/D8E75BDC5B16AEC88DB57CD9B291BB37

323004 ▶▶ dpj, replying to Londo Mollari, 5, #657 of 766 🔗

I’ve had a quick skim through it and it appears to indicate that a large % of positive tests were asymptomatic for the viruses they were testing for but doesn’t seem to come to any conclusion about whether these individuals could infect others.

323007 ▶▶▶ wayno, replying to dpj, 3, #658 of 766 🔗

Same looking at it it just shows positive test results nothing about transmission.

323010 ▶▶▶ Charlie Blue, replying to dpj, 3, #659 of 766 🔗

Sorry dpj, didn’t see your reply until I’d posted mine.

323014 ▶▶▶ J Cook, replying to dpj, 1, #660 of 766 🔗

agreed, the only reference to transmission in the paper that I can see is “Asymptomatic carriers can, in fact, contribute to disease spread by generating (possibly symptomatic) secondary infections” – all sounding fairly vague, and far from solid evidence

323024 ▶▶▶▶ Londo Mollari, replying to J Cook, #661 of 766 🔗

I didn’t pick up on the secondary infections bit – thank you.

323099 ▶▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to J Cook, 1, #662 of 766 🔗

Sounds like a load of bubbles to me.

323022 ▶▶▶ Londo Mollari, replying to dpj, 6, #663 of 766 🔗

Thanks (and to others) for your comments. The uncertainty appears to be in the discussion section. I responded to a number of comments in the local community Facebook page about sticking tot he rules and I just set out the case we put on here. Got viciously attacked by a number of people, got a few comments in support and quite a large number of likes. So, maybe there are quite a few people out there who support us but aren’t prepared to take the heat from the lockdown Nazis.

323008 ▶▶ Charlie Blue, replying to Londo Mollari, 7, #664 of 766 🔗

The study found that many participants tested positive for various viruses while asymptomatic but it makes no attempt to investigate transmission. I don’t see that it supports or undermines the case for asymptomatic transmission. The person who posted the study either doesn’t understand it or expects that you won’t.

323035 ▶▶ p02099003, replying to Londo Mollari, 6, #665 of 766 🔗

You have to be careful what you mean by asymptomatic, do you mean completely without symptoms or pre symptomatic? There is the incubation period which is the period between infection and showing symptoms. It is suggested that the day or so before the appearance of symptoms you are infectious. There appears to be a difference of opinion over when you’re infected/infectious between virologists like Vincent Racianello and people like Mike Yeadon or Claire Craig.
My personal opinion is that you’re infectious around the time you show symptoms, as symptoms are showing an immune response (symptoms such as temperature or cough)

323043 ▶▶▶ Londo Mollari, replying to p02099003, #666 of 766 🔗

Interesting point, but Yeadon’s argument is that infection is spread by symptoms and so asymptomatic and pre-symptomatic would both look the same. I understand that measles, mumps and chickenpox (the latter two I had in adulthood – uhg!) are spread during pre-symptomatic stage but I am not sure how. The “R” figure for measles, mumps and Chickenpox seems to be through the roof as compared to flu and covid.

323093 ▶▶▶▶ p02099003, replying to Londo Mollari, 1, #667 of 766 🔗

With measles and chicken pox the identifying sign is the rash, but there are symptoms such as temperature and feeling generally unwell. For mumps it’s the swelling of the parotid glands that is the definitive sign. There is a relatively long incubation period before the main signs appear, Racianello would argue that a person is infectious during the incubation period as the virus is multiplying in that time. However, Yeadon would argue that a person is not infectious until the rash appears for measles/chicken pox/rubella. Taking the measles example, children continued to go to school until the rash appeared. For chicken pox when the vesicles appear they are full of virus, which is why a person is infectious until the spots have all scabbed over. Of course, with chicken pox the herpes zoster virus never leaves you, you are always infected with it, it lies dormant in a nerve root until something causes it flare up as shingles. The whole face mask scenario is based on asymptomatic viral spread alongside the Typhoid Mary scenario (I have a hypothesis that she wasn’t a typhoid carrier but as she was a cook it may have been some other food poisoning such as campylobacter or salmonella poisoning, the reason being is that the reported first symptom was diarrhoea, according to Wikipedia any way, but one of the first symptoms of typhoid fever is the opposite, but this can never be proved).

323095 ▶▶▶▶ p02099003, replying to Londo Mollari, #668 of 766 🔗

The R for measles is between 10&15 available at https://academic.oup.com/cid/article/52/7/911/299077

323102 ▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to p02099003, #669 of 766 🔗

That’s always been my take. If you’re not experiencing symptoms, presumably your immune system is completely on top of things.
It’s a bit like a leak. It’s as if the various components of an efficient immune system seals off the crack and mends it. (NB not literally!)

323059 ▶▶ OKUK, replying to Londo Mollari, #670 of 766 🔗

Just my hunch but it seems entirely plausible to me that some people can keep the infection essentially isolated in the nasal cavity. If they are frequent nose pickers/touchers they could deposit quite high viral loads on surfaces to be picked up by other nose touchers.

323103 ▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to OKUK, 1, #671 of 766 🔗

It’s a plausible hypothesis but lacks evidence.
They will presumably be asymptomatic, so only those with very poor immune systems would succumb to a noticeable transfer of infection.
Maybe that’s a benefit of masks – they prevent people from picking their noses!

323152 ▶▶▶▶ OKUK, replying to Cheezilla, #672 of 766 🔗

I think you’re confusing cross immunity with a healthy immune system. You can have a very healthy immune system but if you haven’t been exposed to the disease before and you get a high viral load infection, you’re going to get sick. Healthy people get colds and flu. People with healthy immune system will normally start to recover after 3 or 4 days. That’s the difference from sick people.

323100 ▶▶ Andrew K, replying to Londo Mollari, 1, #673 of 766 🔗

Upload this on your FB, but these zealots will always find a reason to justify being stupid.

https://twitter.com/ianmSC/status/1338720650215579648&nbsp ;

“New JAMA meta-analysis of 54 studies with 77,758 participants finds household secondary attack rate (chance an infected
person will infect one or more people at home) is 18% if the
index case is symptomatic and 0.7% if asymptomatic.” “Asymptomatic spread is so rare that it only happens 0.7% of the time even in households Asymptomatic spread is one of the main justifications of mask mandates for the general public

323115 ▶▶ Ianric, replying to Londo Mollari, 1, #674 of 766 🔗

Since lockdown measures which have been introduced in March are so extreme the justification for such measures deserves to come under scrutinity and a question which I have researched is the issue of asymptomatic transmission. There are numerous issues raised with asymptomatic transmission :-

  • Is the notion of asymptomatic transmission just a bit too covenient for the government. Imagine if asymptomatic transmission was not accepted. It would be impossible to justify draconian lockdown laws which apply to the whole population and frightening people would much harder.
  • We are told healthy people with no symptoms can transmit covid. On the one hand we are told covid is a dangerous disease which will make you severely ill or kill you and on the other hand we are told if you catch covid it will not affect you at all. How do you explain this blatant contradiction?
  • Person A is healthy and has no symptoms and infects person B who becomes severely ill, may need hospital treatment and even die. How credible is notion two people can have totally different reactions to the virus even if person A is a younger person with a stronger immune system and person B is older with a weaker immune system.
  • When referring to the asymptomatic spreaders, does this mean people who are presymptomatic or people who never develop symptoms.
  • A criticism of the PCR test is that people may test positive but don’t have a clinical illness. Are people who test positive automatically regarded as infectious regardless of whether they signs of an illness. Is this where the idea of asymptomatic spread comes from?
  • If infectious asymptomatic spread exists, is there a difference in infectiousness between healthy asymptomatic people and sick symptomatic people?
  • If evidence of asymptomati transmission exists, why was it that the NHS couldn’t answer any of the questions I raised regarding asymptomatic transmission?
323129 ▶▶ Pancho the Grey, replying to Londo Mollari, 1, #675 of 766 🔗

As far as I can determine this study does not cover the topic of asymptomatic transmission at all. I doesn’t involve any contact tracing but simply looks at whether you can have a disease but not show symptoms. Since we are told that coughing and sneezing spread the disease it would be reasonable to conclude that in the absence of these symptoms the disease will not spread so fast, or wildly, or even at all. That is not to say that it might, but this study certainly does not show that asymptomatic transmission occurs. To put it clearly, this study is proof only of the existence of a disease in people that don’t show symptoms.
Also for this study to have relevance to the question of asymptomatic, it would have to follow up for long enough to be certain that these were actually A symptomatic and not PRE symptomatic. I don’t think the study mentions that they have ruled out this possibility.

323011 Annie, replying to Annie, 33, #676 of 766 🔗

Message from a friend:

‘My sister phoned today. She had Christmas Day on her own but her dinner came from son Pete who ran it over and just handed it over on the doorstep.’

That people should do this to themselves – and their hapless relations – just totally confounds me. Totally.

323019 ▶▶ Paul, replying to Annie, 24, #677 of 766 🔗

Their humanity has gone altogether as has their sense of proportion,they must be living in a state of continuous fear,they may be alive but they certainly aren’t living.
The deep psychosis that some people have descended into this year is going to take a hell of a lot to reverse.

323030 ▶▶▶ Tom in Scotland, replying to Paul, 10, #678 of 766 🔗

Yes, it’s bad enough for those suffering from the psychosis, but I’m more concerned about the damage the Covidians are doing to the rest of us and our formerly liberal democratic societies. They are the real danger and it will take a huge deprogramming effort to reverse this, and I’m not even sure that the magic vaccine (an obvious placebo) will do it.

323067 ▶▶▶▶ RickH, replying to Tom in Scotland, 4, #679 of 766 🔗

The vaccine will simply embed the myths. Deprogramming requires a realization that they are myths.

323072 ▶▶▶▶▶ Tom in Scotland, replying to RickH, 3, #680 of 766 🔗

Yes, but I think governments want to get the economy back up and running somehow. I also suspect that they will introduce new magic vaccines for every scary virus that pops up, plus bigger uptake for vaccines against the flu viruses that come every year. Yes, myths will be embedded unless we keep fighting for the truth.

323034 ▶▶ DRW, replying to Annie, 7, #681 of 766 🔗

I know someone who had a Zoom Christmas with scared older relatives. What a joy that must have been, at least you can mute them when they start going on about “it”…

323049 ▶▶▶ Tom in Scotland, replying to DRW, 6, #682 of 766 🔗

I hate to say it, but there may be advantages of a Zoom Christmas for some families.

I must admit that I’ve never enjoyed university staff meetings like I have via Zoom – I just mute myself and turn off the camera! Then I can do something actually productive (or scroll through Lockdown Sceptics). It’s called multitasking. Nearly all of my colleagues do this. I initially tried to be polite and keep the camera on, but hardly anyone was doing it. This is an area where herd mentality actually helps.

323096 ▶▶ Andrew K, replying to Annie, 1, #683 of 766 🔗

And that ladies and gentlemen is how Hitler rose to power, now you understand the power and propaganda and fear.

323017 Steve Martindale, replying to Steve Martindale, 8, #684 of 766 🔗

More scariness from MSM and the Covid junta;
The question is, do they really believe all this piffle? or are they running a huge scam?
To some extent I think they are the all time control freaks, they cannot accept that this virus is a ‘will o the wisp’ and does not follow their plans and thus we all suffer.

323026 ▶▶ petgor, replying to Steve Martindale, 8, #685 of 766 🔗

“…do they really believe all this piffle?… . If they did then they wouldn’t spend so much time breaking these bloody awful rules.

323020 dpj, replying to dpj, #686 of 766 🔗

If you want to read something amusing it’s our pal Marianna’s review of the year, she’s still insisting HCQ is ineffective against covid

323050 ▶▶ OKUK, replying to dpj, 2, #687 of 766 🔗

Well she would, wouldn’t she…if she was part of a conspiracy.

323052 ▶▶ OKUK, replying to dpj, 9, #688 of 766 🔗

I think some of these BBC journos would pipe down if required to put the figure for how much they receive from the BBC next to the byline. If we saw £280,000 next to a biased, tendentious bit of reporting by Jon Sopel, I think that would help everyone. If we saw £150,000 next to an article by Nick Bryant containing a searing indictmemt of poverty and injustice in the USA that would also be helpful. Likewise, seeing a figure next to a piece by Marianna Spring (£75,000?) would surely be an aid to understanding when she writes about people profiteering from conspiracy fheories.

323023 J Cook, replying to J Cook, 2, #689 of 766 🔗

Im not sure whether this has been shared yet –

Our year of bowing down to ‘The Science’
by Bruce Pardy (professor of law at Queen’s University, Canada)

323174 ▶▶ Lisa (formerly) from Toronto, replying to J Cook, 1, #690 of 766 🔗

Thanks for this. We subscribe to one of the other national newspapers in Canada but I think the Financial Post has been more sceptical. This article may push us to make a switch.

323027 mjr, 5, #691 of 766 🔗

itv – the masked singer. some irony here given that there is also a masked audience . yet the masked singer when unmasked is unmasked .

the programme is shite — just curious about it ( and i know who sausage is) .

323029 Francis, 7, #692 of 766 🔗

Just found this in the Telegraph ‘below the line’ (where comments have started to become almost indistinguishable from LS’s). It’s from Sky Australia and about the ‘Great Reset’. Sharp, funny and spot-on. It’s from November so may have been posted already, but in case not, or you missed it, here it is:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pF_kXE-HXSQ (from about 50 seconds)

323031 OKUK, replying to OKUK, 18, #693 of 766 🔗

Are you set for the Great Reset? – coming to a TV screen near you in the New Year…

Normally the MSM are only too happy to report fron Davos. This year’s Davos theme is the Great Reset. Will the MSM tells us that or will there bd a tactical decision be taken to censor that fact? After all, they censor lots of genuine news these days e.g. Biden’s senility, Biden’s corruption, Biden’s son’s corruption, CCP infiltration of the West, effectivness of Covid treatments such as Ivermectin,

323055 ▶▶ jb12, replying to OKUK, 4, #694 of 766 🔗

It has been rescheduled for May in Singapore – pretty telling that the Far East will be where they discuss how to end the West as all the major banks have moved their HQs out there.

323064 ▶▶▶ OKUK, replying to jb12, #695 of 766 🔗

Really? – that’s new to me…

323121 ▶▶▶▶ OKUK, replying to OKUK, #696 of 766 🔗

Apparently there will still be a virtual event during Davos Week -25-29 Jan. It’s being billed as The Davos Agenda.

Are they quietly dropping “The Great Reset” as a bit of an own-goal PR disaster?

323046 mjr, replying to mjr, 12, #697 of 766 🔗

friend just sent me this … . cant stop laughing !!! not sure where it is from but allegedly it has caused panic and retractions
apparently published in Philipines

323051 ▶▶ Tom in Scotland, replying to mjr, 10, #698 of 766 🔗

I saw this (don’t know the source) a while back and had a good laugh. It does look fairly realistic; must be a professional job.

If you can’t laugh at this shitshow on occasion, you wouldn’t get out of bed.

323053 ▶▶▶ mjr, replying to Tom in Scotland, 3, #699 of 766 🔗

my source suggested it was real footage from a new york hospital following a major shooting incident. but i do like the idea of 90 year old zombies

323094 ▶▶ Andrew K, replying to mjr, 2, #700 of 766 🔗

How stupid next you’ll be telling us there us some killer virus needing which needs us to destroy our economy and never see our parents again..

323047 OKUK, replying to OKUK, 28, #701 of 766 🔗

Marianna Spring claims (no evidence beyond the anecdotal) that conspiracy theories about Covid and Lcokdowns break up relationships and destroy lives…but in reality (plenty of factual evidence) it is hysterical fear of Covid and Government lockdowns that break up relationships and take lives.

323054 ▶▶ Julian, replying to OKUK, 16, #702 of 766 🔗

The BBC are evil

323080 ▶▶▶ Rowan, replying to Julian, 4, #703 of 766 🔗

When the time comes heads will roll there, as well as in government.

323062 ▶▶ Jo, replying to OKUK, #704 of 766 🔗

A new set of people to blame

323085 ▶▶ Two-Six, replying to OKUK, 3, #705 of 766 🔗

BBC TruthWitch

323111 ▶▶▶ OKUK, replying to Two-Six, 4, #706 of 766 🔗

She certainly seems to be in Witchfinder General mode. She now claims people are “under the spell” of conspiracy theories. Might be a case of too much Hogwarts nonsense as a child…

323165 ▶▶▶▶ DomW, replying to OKUK, 1, #707 of 766 🔗

So it is the dissenters who are are a spell ? Once again the BBC gets its “facts” 100% back to front

323092 ▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to OKUK, 2, #708 of 766 🔗

Marianna Spring is a shill who talks a load of bubbles.

323061 Jo, replying to Jo, 39, #709 of 766 🔗

New policy – I am going to ask anyone who engages me in conversation – do you support the lockdown? If they yes I will reply you are a fucking cunt.
Despite the article today, about 17 ways, I can’t do it.
And as a former mental health lawyer who was used to arguing her way to win people’s freedoms – we are beyond it. I am past caring about what people think about me in my village – and there are plenty of sceptics now. They may not support my new stance but they won’t hate me for it.
Especially next year and 2022 when the shit really hits the fan. Their are so many rich, but not rich enough arseholes thinking they will be alright – the only thing to look forward to is their losing their wealth!
Sorry for being bad. I guess I just am.

323070 ▶▶ Charlie Blue, replying to Jo, 6, #710 of 766 🔗

I’m with you, Jo, though I will need to moderate my language to have any chance of earning a living. We are beyond it My job is all about persuading people to do things differently for their and others’ benefit, often against the odds (important caveat is that they’ve asked for help- I’m not in public health or psyops). I doubt either of us are bad, just realistic about the extent of wilful ignorance and the power of the negative. Many people will only care when the shockwaves finally reach them.

323071 ▶▶ Les Tricoteuses, replying to Jo, 7, #711 of 766 🔗

Can’t say I could follow your policy, but it’s honest and factual. I’ve found the thoughts when accosted by idiots have become muttered under my breath, getting louder over time so I understand.
You’re right about those well off, plenty round here as well who go along with everything because they, as yet, are financially unaffected.

323090 ▶▶ Andrew K, replying to Jo, 5, #712 of 766 🔗

Just tell them they are supporting the death of tens of millions and that they are fecking cnuts who don’t deserve liberty or safety

323149 ▶▶ Andrea Salford, replying to Jo, #713 of 766 🔗

As hard as it is, if they say yes just respond ‘oh interesting and why is that?’ Then take apart whatever their answers are methodically and politely eg ‘of course you’ll be aware that…bah blah (true facts)..have you seen that? Sounds wild but (important impressive person) told me so I’m inclined to agree….’ blah blah etc etc

323151 ▶▶ Andrea Salford, replying to Jo, #714 of 766 🔗

You have the advantage over them (me) of being a mental health lawyer, playing Devil’s advocate what would convince you to reconsider your opinion? Use that insight of powerful belief.

323166 ▶▶ trevorpee, replying to Jo, #715 of 766 🔗

I’ve shown people a level of tolerance I never imagined I could dredge up these last nine months as they have been terrified – deliberately, unforgivably – by the government and media fear-mongering. I’ve seen two friends driven to the very edge of insanity – one admitted to psychiatric care for a month. However, I’m now so far past the end of my tether I doubt even the Hubble space telescope could find it: anyone whose pee isn’t boiling I regard as either a collaborator or so stupid they might as well have devolved into lichen. If people insist on remaining bedwetters, so be it – but why should the rest of us be expected to lie in urine-sodden sheets alongside them? The only thing keeping me going is dreaming up suitable punishments for all the guilty vermin.

323084 Ceriain, replying to Ceriain, 17, #716 of 766 🔗

Covid sceptic loose in the BBC newsroom. 😉


323155 ▶▶ godowneasy, replying to Ceriain, 1, #717 of 766 🔗

Great work my picture friend – you have raised the bar. I’ll have to get onto this tomorrow.

323170 ▶▶▶ Ceriain, replying to godowneasy, #718 of 766 🔗

Thank you, most kind. 🙂

I originally had ‘Handjob is dead’ as the headline, but the Mrs said it might have been a bit too much and that Toby might have got complaints. The truck drivers were topical enough to ‘soften’ the story enough. 😉

323091 Cecil B, replying to Cecil B, 7, #719 of 766 🔗

I have just read the rules for buying things in shops in Wales and its pretty obvious that they were written by a fucking madman

323098 ▶▶ Annie, replying to Cecil B, 5, #720 of 766 🔗

Dungford is mad, for a start. As se used to say about the school where I briefly taught, ‘You don’t have to be mad to live here, but it helps.’
You also have to be mad to comply with the rules. All Welsh businesses are run by madmen.

323169 ▶▶▶ Hugh, replying to Annie, #721 of 766 🔗

but not the “old normal” b ‘n’ b I usually go to in north Wales 🙂

323097 peteupnorth, 16, #722 of 766 🔗

Save lives

stop covid


323105 ▶▶ Andrew K, replying to Country Mumkin, 1, #724 of 766 🔗

Nah he still wants everybody vaccinated.

323112 BeBopRockSteady, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 4, #725 of 766 🔗


It all came down to a week in March according to Imperial College. Labour and the lockdown left will take this argument to their grave.

323114 ▶▶ Tenchy, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 2, #726 of 766 🔗

“Experts from Imperial College”. That’s as far as you need to read (and it’s close to the start of the article).

323117 ▶▶▶ Charlie Blue, replying to Tenchy, 3, #727 of 766 🔗

Indeed. But this is the barrel to hold Bozo over for the scientists. They claim he presided over 20k avoidable deaths- he must now listen to whatever they instruct forever and ever amen.

323126 ▶▶▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to Charlie Blue, 2, #728 of 766 🔗

Exactly. It’s basically a slogan, as vapid as build back better.

All based on the magical ICL R0 number as well.

323133 ▶▶▶ OKUK, replying to Tenchy, 7, #729 of 766 🔗

Lol. What bollocks! How do they explain Belgium? Early strict lockdown and one of he highest death rates in the world. Imperial College is a propaganda front for Gates and the CCP.

323335 ▶▶▶ RickH, replying to Tenchy, #730 of 766 🔗

Yes. Spot the contradiction in terms in those four words.

Notice how their abject failure in analysing outcomes is ignored. Remember ‘4000 deaths per day’? Most of us with a spreadsheet could have put them right on that one.

323113 peteupnorth, replying to peteupnorth, 23, #731 of 766 🔗

Save the country

stop covid deaths


323131 ▶▶ Andrea Salford, replying to peteupnorth, 8, #732 of 766 🔗

100% agree. Who are these perfectly healthy people queuing up to be tested?

– hypochondriacs
– hysterics
– power hungry
– lazy asses
– sheep

Me fear we are outnumbered.

323136 ▶▶▶ OKUK, replying to Andrea Salford, 8, #733 of 766 🔗

Good news is the Liverpool pilot testing regime was a complete failure. Scousers have more sense than to ruin what remains of their private lives by being sucked into twice weekly testing.

323142 ▶▶▶▶ Andrea Salford, replying to OKUK, 5, #734 of 766 🔗

That is good news. The pressure is certainly on given the government will pay people to be tested on a regular basis. And pay them to sit on their tootsies all day not working. And criminalise them (in certain industries) if they want to work. I can’t get over how selfish people are to not see how disgusting and obvious and manipulative and criminal that is. But then again what do I know? I’m a covidiot.

323148 ▶▶▶▶▶ jonathan Palmer, replying to Andrea Salford, 4, #735 of 766 🔗

That’s why the whole thing smells rotten.Just because we don’t have proof as to what it is,it is undeniable that something very wrong is going on.

323158 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ OKUK, replying to jonathan Palmer, 5, #736 of 766 🔗

You inspired me Jonathan…

I smell a rat
Of that
I’m sure
Or else the perfume
Of algae bloom
Mixed with bull’s manure,
Patrick craps
In these parts here about
Or Boris and Chris
Take a piss
On a mouldering trout.
I think we can tell
From whatever the smell
That something is wrong, very wrong.
Something is wrong, very wrong…

323160 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ jonathan Palmer, replying to OKUK, 1, #737 of 766 🔗

I’ve never been a muse before

323162 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ OKUK, replying to jonathan Palmer, 1, #738 of 766 🔗

Well, that was amusing. 🙂

323116 Cheezilla, 10, #739 of 766 🔗

Some brightspark from Sage recently suggested that we should have our Christmas drinks round the firepit in the garden – do they live in the Scilly Isles? Do they have gardens?
They also suggested we add an extra dining table so people could socially distance.

We didn’t manage the firepit – you’re not allowed to have such things in “socially affordable” rented housing, though at least there is a garden. We compensated by adding two extra tables (ok, they were really pasting tables) into the 4mx4m dining area – and proceeded to fit 17 people round them.

323118 arfurmo, replying to arfurmo, 2, #740 of 766 🔗

https://news.sky.com/story/sundays-national-newspaper-front-pages-12173278 -Telegraph . Whether you are pro or anti ,what on earth is a huntsman doing with a muzzle on blowing a horn. It’s outside for godsake .

323122 ▶▶ Andrea Salford, replying to arfurmo, 3, #741 of 766 🔗

Virtue signalling ?

323124 ▶▶ Ovis, replying to arfurmo, 7, #742 of 766 🔗

If he stuck the horn up his arse, he could blow it without compromising his face covering, and no offence against Covid decency would have been committed.

We all need to adapt to the new normal 😉

323128 ▶▶▶ Andrea Salford, replying to Ovis, 2, #743 of 766 🔗

Adapt? Hell no. But I’m happy to stick the new normal where the sun don’t shine.

323140 ▶▶▶ DRW, replying to Ovis, 3, #744 of 766 🔗

Good job we’re cleaning everything!

323123 BeBopRockSteady, replying to BeBopRockSteady, #745 of 766 🔗

Can’t bring myself to watch the full back and forth between Ferguson and Tony Blair. Have seen enough in the clips. Here the ex Prime Minister of the the UK believes draconian measures are needed and the public want them.


323125 ▶▶ Andrea Salford, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 14, #746 of 766 🔗

May they both burn in hell.

323138 ▶▶▶ Ossettian, replying to Andrea Salford, #747 of 766 🔗

We have to execute them first.

323130 ▶▶ OKUK, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 5, #748 of 766 🔗

This is why a populist party seeking power must promise retrospective legislation to allow prosecution of people who are currently acting to deprive us of our natural rights. Just as we have natural rights we also have a natural duty not to deprive others of their natural rights.

323132 ▶▶ Charlie Blue, replying to BeBopRockSteady, #749 of 766 🔗

Just been watching the latest tv version of Brave New World. Years since I read it A bit tame for our persecutors. Total surveillance and control via pharmaceuticals, but human contact is allowed (as long as it’s not a monogamous relationship). They will have us all in individual, sealed pods from birth.

323153 ▶▶ godowneasy, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 2, #750 of 766 🔗

Vermin – let them burn – a favourite band, The Hamsters, had it right.
I miss these guys

323156 ▶▶▶ Stringfellow Hawke, replying to godowneasy, #751 of 766 🔗

Awesome. Thanks for that. Saw them live some years ago, outstanding. Even today, there’s not that many out there, who can pull off a lot of Hendrix stuff.. serious chops on display! 🙂

323157 ▶▶▶▶ godowneasy, replying to Stringfellow Hawke, #752 of 766 🔗

I saw them more than 10 times (sad but true):
Voodoo chile : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_iFpmeFLZVs
They came from Southend. In their own words there was more culture in a pot of yoghurt than their home town. Boy, did they make a great sound.

323134 Andrea Salford, 9, #753 of 766 🔗

So since I found this site in October I come here for sanity sake. And equally over Christmas I’ve tried to avoid coming here for sanity sake (eg a few days of ‘head’ ‘bucket’ ‘sand’). Still, I can’t resist – ‘Just ’cos I ain’t looking don’t mean it ain’t happening’.

323141 Two-Six, replying to Two-Six, 2, #754 of 766 🔗

Fucker farris is re-tweeting and agreeing with JHB!
Well….gag me with a spoon.

323143 ▶▶ Charlie Blue, replying to Two-Six, 3, #755 of 766 🔗

Sorry, but she’s not agreeing with JHB. She’s retweeted Tom Davis’ outraged response to JHB. No spoon required.

323144 ▶▶▶ Two-Six, replying to Charlie Blue, 1, #756 of 766 🔗

Oh yer…What was I thinking. Muppet

323146 ▶▶▶▶ Charlie Blue, replying to Two-Six, 4, #757 of 766 🔗

Well, anything could happen in this distorted version of reality!

323159 ▶▶▶ jonathan Palmer, replying to Charlie Blue, 7, #758 of 766 🔗

The fake concern for the elderly makes me sick.They are complicit in 20,000 deaths in care homes through DNR orders and refusal of NHS care,plus the sending of infected people into the care system.They then want to throw the accusation that those that are against lockdown don’t care about the elderly.

323147 ▶▶ OKUK, replying to Two-Six, 5, #759 of 766 🔗

Er no. She’s retweeting someone critical of JHB’s tweet. Someone who thinks we should imprison the whole population, muzzle us, and destroy our economy, culture, education system and health service in order to protect less than 400 very sick people.

323150 ▶▶▶ Two-Six, replying to OKUK, 2, #760 of 766 🔗

Yer I see that now. Incredible that she thought this was worth contradicting and tweeting about. JHB has a very good point.

Is this 4D chess for Fucker Farris? Is she trying to get out some real data while pretending to be outraged, or is she just a twatt?

323154 ▶▶▶▶ OKUK, replying to Two-Six, 1, #761 of 766 🔗

Just a guess but I’d say: complete twat! She doesn’t look capable of 1D chess.

323164 ▶▶ Andrew K, replying to Two-Six, 2, #762 of 766 🔗

Very sad all the comments of people who think
a) lockdown is working
b) oblivious to the fact that lockdown is killing millions (Yes Millions) due to starvation throughout the world
c) Totally believe this is about the virus
d) are total bed wetters
e) Believe the crap that they and the government are saying.

323161 OKUK, 5, #763 of 766 🔗

If you Google on Chinese ambassador, or China, and Imperial College you get lots of links pop up indicating Imperial College has a very cosy and very close relationship with CCP-China – a genocidal state ruled by a single dictator that uses medicine to persecute minorities and dissidents and disregards all international norms on trade, intellectual property, the law of the seas, and hunan rights.

Shocking that they even have such a relationship.

But even more concerning – how far are epidemiological recommendations emanating from Imperial College being influenced or even dictated by China?

323171 Hugh, replying to Hugh, 1, #764 of 766 🔗

I’ve seen quite a bit of comment about the BBC on here, and for myself, (and it may be obvious questions) I would like to know the following:

1) Why do they keep repeating that USA and Brazil have the “highest Covid deaths”, with no mention of the fact that Peru and Belgium have a higher IFR (and also had strict lockdowns)?

2) Why do they uncritically report the results of a rigged vitamin D test, allowing the dubious conclusion of those conducting it that there is “insufficient evidence that vitamin D boosts immunity against viruses” to pass unchallenged (and never mind that elsewhere on the BBC they report that there are more deaths in winter when there just happens to be less sunlight)?

3) Why do they not challenge government ( and by extension CCP and big pharma) propaganda that vaccines are the only way out of the extreme restrictions that they’ve been imposing on healthy people?

4) Why are they allowed to continue imposing a de facto poll tax on every household that owns a tv when they are manifestly failing in their duty to provide balance reporting?

Yes, the government did bring out that anti free speech rule in relation to cv, but other media have challenged the official line far more than them, and the BBC are quick enough to challenge government actions when it suits them. In the long run, I believe the BBC’s position is unsustainable and something will have to give.

323328 ▶▶ RickH, replying to Hugh, #765 of 766 🔗

“insufficient evidence”

Suddenly they go all ‘scientific’

I actually agree that claims about prophylaxis should be subject to examination. Of course.

But it’s amazing how the now conclusive ‘lack of evidence’ for masks and lockdowns etc. can be brushed aside .

323172 Lisa (formerly) from Toronto, #766 of 766 🔗

Look what you’ve done to us??? Good thing we’re already locked down for the next 4 weeks. Are you feeling ravaged yet? Good thing this new strain won’t impact vaccine effectiveness (cause they know so much about the vaccine given the long-term trials it has been subjected to). Phew, what a relief that is. FFS, will this ever end?

“A variant of COVID-19 that has ravaged the U.K. is now in Canada, health officials said Saturday as they announced an Ontario couple had been diagnosed with the contagious new strain.”


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