2020-12-27

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323173 jonathan Palmer, replying to jonathan Palmer, 7, #1 of 931 🔗

I’m honoured

323175 ▶▶ Hugh, replying to jonathan Palmer, 21, #2 of 931 🔗

Congrats! I thought only supporters of the vaccines/lockdown narrative were in line for honours these days – I suspect it will be a cold day in hell when professor “sir ” Carl Heneghan gets his gong!

So how long until the nightmare’s over then? next May? 2022? never?

323179 ▶▶▶ jonathan Palmer, replying to Hugh, 52, #3 of 931 🔗

It’s only over if enough people say it is.Millions have ignored the governments edicts over Christmas.That needs to translate to mass civil disobedience over all the restrictions.

323181 ▶▶▶▶ Hugh, replying to jonathan Palmer, 10, #4 of 931 🔗

I live in hope. “A lot of frightened people out there” though. (Name the film…)

323253 ▶▶▶▶▶ PastImperfect, replying to Hugh, 2, #5 of 931 🔗

Someone put this link up yesterday:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t1t8g-Q3rVI

19 mins in are DR’s suggestions as to what is needed.

323651 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to PastImperfect, 1, #6 of 931 🔗

That’s brilliant. Thanks.

323681 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ HelzBelz, replying to PastImperfect, 1, #7 of 931 🔗

The whole thing is definitely worth watching. Thank you 🙂

323186 ▶▶▶▶ karenovirus, replying to jonathan Palmer, 19, #8 of 931 🔗

Gandhi, Vaclav Havel and Mandela all said it takes only one person to stand up against the lie.

323374 ▶▶▶▶▶ Waldorf, replying to karenovirus, 7, #9 of 931 🔗

I find it possible to pick holes in all three. Gandhi was tolerated by the British because he did not favour violent opposition to British rule, and towards the end of his life he preached holy poverty while staying on the grounds of Birla House, owned by one of the wealthiest people in India. Indian leftists certainly noted the contradiction.
Havel came from a wealthy Czech family that lost property and social status when the Communists came to power but had no problems under the German occupation. His uncle ran the Barrandov film studios during the occupation and postwar was charged with collaboration. Although acquitted, he moved to Germany.
Mandela for his part was close to the South African Communist Party, although when asked whether the CP was using him, he replied that it could just as easily be said that he was using the CP.

323384 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Rowan, replying to Waldorf, 1, #10 of 931 🔗

None of what you say has any real bearing on what karenovirus posted, so I have to wonder why you actually bothered.

323404 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Waldorf, replying to Rowan, 3, #11 of 931 🔗

It does if you think about it a little. All three are held up as exemplars of resistance. But the Brits preferred Gandhi to more violent opponents of British rule like Bhagat Singh and the rich also felt unthreatened by him, for all his praise of poverty. Havel’s family did not resist the Germans and even prospered under them, which made things difficult after 1945. As for Mandela his link to the Communists was controversial although of the three he is the one I find least objectionable. Although the real fly in the ointment was Winnie.

323497 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Binra, replying to Waldorf, #12 of 931 🔗

What (or who) can you not tear down and stand over, as righteous judgement?
The persona is the focus of moral oneupmanship.

But the pivotal moments of all changes are lived through specific situation in which a more universal recognition allows the release of a situation of conflict to one of some measure of cooperation.

The principle is key – not worshipping and idealising or idolising the person or event.

As one who identifies in terrain theory, I don’t see the pathogen or the apparent saviour in isolation from the context that draws forth the condition. This is a different way of seeing – as within a wholeness rather than as if set apart and set over a wholeness torn down and stood over in a game of ‘king of the castle’ – and the dirty rascal.

Nothing can bring recognition of life as whole to a mind intent on picking holes.
However, when any form, idea or system is idolised, and presented as a god-narrative to comply and conform in, the willingness to see it is full of holes is the release from taking one’s identity from its compliance, worship or accepted currency.

Politics has been called the art of the possible, and like parenting is both impossible and necessary. Social organisation is an ordered chaos or chaotic order. Ideals of order and control operate as conflicting interests and power struggle consolidates the means to prevail as control. Yet this kills the life it claims to serve or protect and is a generator OF chaos at system level.
Order within chaos is a discernment of compassionate presence, rather than conflicting sympathies and antipathies of narrative driven identity.
Anyone who gives attention and aligns support in this is generating the pathways for a win-win perspective instead of ancient hate set in power struggle. Does it matter how many or who serves to hold the way open for release of ancient hatred to a truly workable way of living on this Earth.
The eugeneticists actively generate ‘the degradation of the stock’ they claim to be saving humanity from. But are one extreme example of how we become the thing we hate – under narrative blindness of being ‘right’ against the lack of virtue seen or extended to the ‘unworthy’.
The politicisation of hate crime is operating against the potential to freely recognise hate in our own heart and choose not to use it.

Freely means free of blaming hate that thinks to ‘make a better world’ (sic). But if our measure DOES come back to us, then our call to re-evaluate where we are coming from is not a witch hunt but a living desire for a better world right Now! Without justification or apology to anyone else.

‘Where do I stand?’ is first.
Where do I stand in terms of a presenting problem will be seen from a true understanding, or else frame me in someone else’s problem running as a currency of contagion.
Many identify from their problems and would feel lost, exposed and naked without them. The devil they know…
‘Just give me whatever makes it go away doc’.
The choice to abnegate responsibility is different to the period of dependency that calls for orientation and support in learning to live. And is fed and nurtured by the role given to those who then take that as the basis for control, leverage, and use of the living as a food source, energy supply or bio-assets to develop or discard.
The unholy alliance of fear and control is the subjugation of the living will to systemic compliance. But the Law is made for Man – not the other way around.

323754 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ bebophaircut, replying to Binra, 2, #13 of 931 🔗

Bill Gates and many others who embrace the Global Action Plan consider themselves superior beings.

323745 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ bebophaircut, replying to Waldorf, #14 of 931 🔗

Forget Mandela, listen to Hugh Masekela.

323747 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ bebophaircut, replying to bebophaircut, #15 of 931 🔗

Hugh Masekela: Mace & Grenades

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y3LRDZkgJTY

323905 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ chris c, replying to bebophaircut, #16 of 931 🔗

WOW!!!

Somewhere I have a reel to reel tape from long ago of a concert by Abdullah Ibrahim. One of the songs made the hairs on the back of my neck stand up

“South African sunshine

You can see the guns shine . . .”

The only good thing to come out of apartheid was all the ZA musicians who went into exile in the UK. US and Europe. Chris MsGregor’s. Blue Notes became the Brotherhooid Of Breath with the addition of local jazzers. They’re pretty much all dead now except for Louis Moholo, nearly 80 and still drumming though he needs to be helped on and off stage, playing with some of the New Young Lions like Shabaka Hutchins, Alexander Hawkins and Kyle Shepherd

An old favourite. Mra

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mxl0tz6X7ug

323223 ▶▶▶▶ Ovis, replying to jonathan Palmer, 12, #17 of 931 🔗

Yes, it goes on for ever unless or until the sheep themselves fight back.

323176 NorthumbrianNomad, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, 58, #18 of 931 🔗

Good morning. I note that the South African health minister who says their variant is no more dangerous than any other variant is the same South African health minister who said a doctor had told him it was causing serious illness in young people, justifying the closure of beaches. So as I predicted at the time, the scare was entirely political in nature. Just as the British one is.

323177 ▶▶ Hugh, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, 41, #19 of 931 🔗

And the Chinese one re. HK. Is it still the case that no teacher has died from Covid-19 after being infected by their pupils?

And re. professor pantsdown, who believes that copying Chinese lockdown measures has moved the parameters of what Western populations consider acceptable – perhaps we should have a slogan in May – “vote Tory/Labour, get China!”

323225 ▶▶▶ Nigel Sherratt, replying to Hugh, 16, #20 of 931 🔗

That’s my theory, CCP ramped it up to deal with its HK problem and then spotted the wider benefits to them of worlwide panic.

323388 ▶▶▶▶ Rowan, replying to Nigel Sherratt, 3, #21 of 931 🔗

Yes if it was a Chinese master stroke, then who could blame them.

323230 ▶▶▶ Ovis, replying to Hugh, 8, #22 of 931 🔗

Great slogan. Who will use it? For whom can we vote?

Assuming we do get a vote. I have said before I think it will be postal only and involve some Dominion voting machines

323391 ▶▶▶ J4mes, replying to Hugh, 8, #23 of 931 🔗

The only option I will be considering is to spoil my voting paper with a written message. If we keep voting for a rigged system, we’ll continue getting a rigged outcome.

323183 ▶▶ Judy Watson, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, 3, #24 of 931 🔗

Hi NN – where are you? Going to Isaan tomorrow and also Buriram. Would you like to meet up with a fellow sceptic? Sorry but don’t know how to pm you.

323210 ▶▶ alw, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, 21, #25 of 931 🔗

From South Africa

323178 Judy Watson, replying to Judy Watson, 6, #26 of 931 🔗

Love the cartoon above

323187 ▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Judy Watson, 2, #27 of 931 🔗

I watched The Snowman on Xmas Day, totally lost its magic I’m afraid.

323180 Hugh, replying to Hugh, 6, #28 of 931 🔗

I started watching a film called “1984” (freedom is slavery, apparently). I wondered if it should be renamed “2020”.

Annie, you might get this reference – ” Furcht und Elend des Dritten Reiches” (Bertolt Brecht). That. And under “libertarian” Boris Johnson too! What have we become?

323184 ▶▶ Hugh, replying to Hugh, 6, #29 of 931 🔗

[edit not working again] I’ve got to the bit where she says “We can even touch each other if we want to”. It really should’ve been called “2020”!

323188 ▶▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Hugh, 1, #30 of 931 🔗

My edit is working, on an Android.

323190 ▶▶▶▶ Hugh, replying to karenovirus, #31 of 931 🔗

Funny thing, edit seems to work on some messages and not others.

Must admit I have only a hazy notion of what android is (love Arkanoid though!). I never signed up to Twitter or Face Book either…

323192 ▶▶▶▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Hugh, #32 of 931 🔗

Android phone, perhaps the site works differently with different devices.

323256 ▶▶▶▶▶ Llamasaurus Rex, replying to Hugh, #33 of 931 🔗

I suspect that once a post has been up or down ticked …or replied to, it becomes uneditable. Just a theory.

323282 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Llamasaurus Rex, 1, #34 of 931 🔗

There is a ten minute window to edit unless some replies first. This is to stop their reply being made to look ridiculous.

323306 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Llamasaurus Rex, replying to karenovirus, #35 of 931 🔗

Thanks. Thought it’d be something like that.

323191 ▶▶▶ Hugh, replying to Hugh, 7, #36 of 931 🔗

And this – “If the state says ‘I am not holding out 4 fingers but 5’, how many fingers am I holding out?”

This really is 1984!

323197 ▶▶ Annie, replying to Hugh, 12, #37 of 931 🔗

Always loathed Brecht. His preferred cure for Fascist tyranny was Communist tyranny. Now we’ve got both. It’s all fear and misery, as the murderous Fourth Reich, controlled through Communist stooges like Pantsdown, extends its tentacles across the globe

323204 ▶▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Annie, 6, #38 of 931 🔗

I’d already read the deconstruction of ferguson’s Times interview in UnHerd (main article). Obviously I didn’t want to look at his ugly mug so enhanced his image.
Further down todays main page we come to Baroness Nicholson’s photo montage of bemasked persons and offer it for future inclusion.

323221 ▶▶▶ Nigel Sherratt, replying to Annie, 4, #39 of 931 🔗

This was pretty good though, so cut him some slack (June 1953).

After the uprising of the 17th June
The Secretary of the Writers Union
Had leaflets distributed in the Stalinallee
Stating that the people
Had forfeited the confidence of the government
And could win it back only
By redoubled efforts. Would it not be easier
In that case for the government
To dissolve the people
And elect another?

323959 ▶▶▶▶ HoMojo, replying to Nigel Sherratt, #40 of 931 🔗

And Mother Courage is a damn fine play.

323355 ▶▶▶ Bugle, replying to Annie, 2, #41 of 931 🔗

China has the worst features of every form of government according to Roger Scruton. Brecht has a certain heroic austerity, but believed that poetry should be politically useful. I think poetry should be read for its artistic merit only. For the last 30 years at least, English Lit has been used as a vehicle for encouraging ‘right think’.

323292 ▶▶ Julian, replying to Hugh, 10, #42 of 931 🔗

As Hitchens likes to point out, the PM is not a libertarian, he’s a libertine.

323337 ▶▶▶ Bugle, replying to Julian, 3, #43 of 931 🔗

Or as Sumption said, a Johnsonite.

323424 ▶▶ J4mes, replying to Hugh, 5, #44 of 931 🔗

Best version is the original book – a true movie adaptation would be very difficult to make.

It has always been thought the book is named after the year the story is based. I’ve learned not to believe there are coincidences in politics and I don’t think it’s coincidental that the act used to lock us down is the 1984 Control of Disease Act. I agree with those who say the book is not a prophecy, it’s a warning.

323700 ▶▶▶ Annie, replying to J4mes, 2, #45 of 931 🔗

The title swapped the last two digits if the year the novel was written.
Always found it hard to believe that this intensely urban story was written on the coast of Jura, as wild and remote a spot as you’d find in Britain.

324056 ▶▶▶ Binra, replying to J4mes, #46 of 931 🔗

I have read Orwell intended ‘1948’.
Publisher insisted otherwise.

323182 Nobody2020, replying to Nobody2020, 98, #47 of 931 🔗

Last week I posted that my father was discharged from hospital for a problem with his lungs. Unfortunately he had a stroke a few days ago and will probably take a long time to recover, if ever.

He has had a bad heart for a while and things have finally caught up with him. 2 tests for sars-cov-2 have turned up negative. However both the lung condition and the stroke are in the list of possible effects from covid-19.

Is it possible that it was undetected virus that caused both of these things? Sure but it’s also likely that it was something that was going to happen anyway. It sucks but there’s never a good time for these things to happen. They just happen and you have to deal with them as best you can.

If he had tested positive would I be expected to blame it on somebody else even if it turned out to be my wife, daughter or even myself? Maybe it was another person, should I seek them out for retribution? Should whoever was responsible be made to feel guilty or even be punished?

Since he tested negative there is no-one to blame but how many people have been led to believe that they should look for blame simply on the basis of a positive test? Does it some feel better to have another they can point a finger at? Should I be glad that what happened wasn’t due to the virus?

This is the society that is being created right now where everyone looks at each other with suspicion. People are being told to ask “Is that person a potential killer” about everyone. If somebody dies it is the fault of somebody else. Anyone who disagrees is advocating for or an accomplice to murder.

Is this really what we want as a society? I certainly don’t and the worst thing about it is that nobody has been given a choice or even the chance to discuss whether it really is what they want.

323185 ▶▶ Hugh, replying to Nobody2020, 12, #48 of 931 🔗

1984!

“As best you can”. Seriously, try “The ABC’s of Disease” by Philip Day. He was recommended by one of my Christian friends who knows him and who has worked in care homes and seen the abuses and problems. Day is very much on our side re. the abuses of big pharma and takes a nutritional approach to diseases. His book contains useful info on many diseases including heart disease and stroke for those who want an alternative to the drugs based approach of medicine

323356 ▶▶▶ Jack62, replying to Hugh, 14, #49 of 931 🔗

Completely agree that nutrition is a key factor in disease control…and yes, I know of Phil Days work, very interesting….goes hand in hand with what some USA doctors and scientists have been trying to get out to the populace… Vit D, Vit C, zinc and lysine prophylaxis treatments have been shown to stop covid symptoms in their tracks…lots of research coming through online, but it’s being suppressed…. These substances are for free, in food and supplements so can’t be patented, so Big Pharma can’t make any money from it!
If you keep a population sick, scared and stupid, you can do what you like as they’ll follow like sheep…. So stay healthy, unafraid and we’ll informed, that is what this govt and other powers are afraid of….their mantra of ‘problem, reaction, solution’ can and must fail..

323420 ▶▶▶▶ Bella Donna, replying to Jack62, 8, #50 of 931 🔗

We’re taking extra vitamins since Professor Delores Cahill spoke out earlier on this year. Neither of us have been ill so far, and no colds. Some might say the restrictions this year may have attributed to being healthier perhaps that is so, however our waistlines have disappeared instead.

323703 ▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Hugh, 1, #51 of 931 🔗

Yes! Philip Day deserves a lot more attention.

323189 ▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Nobody2020, 35, #52 of 931 🔗

Getting the population to be suspicious and fearful of each other has been part of the plan for years. Makes them easier to manipulate.

323296 ▶▶ Julian, replying to Nobody2020, 8, #53 of 931 🔗

Sorry to hear about your dad

The desire to blame others (the state or inviduals) for misfortune, and to believe that if somehow things had been done different you could have avoided misfortune, seems natural but is insidious

Of course there are times when misfortune is a result of others actions or lack of action in bad faith, but often it’s just the inevitable result of life. Stoicism in the face of adversity seems to reduce in line with our increased comfort, and this has led us to the disastrous state we’re in now

323396 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to Nobody2020, 9, #54 of 931 🔗

I think much of the worry for people is not that their loved ones, suffering from other issues, become ill. Its that they are marked as Covid. Given that need to then blame non compliance, or at least the fact that such scapegoating appears widespread, it comes with so much baggage.

I put this down to the lockdown lovers who are forever trying themselves in knots, so determined they are to control the moral high ground. They do not recognise the insidious hate they hold for their fellow man. If everyone could only just be like them.

Sorry for your troubles by the way. I hope 2021 brings more to be joyful for

324072 ▶▶ Rowan, replying to Nobody2020, 1, #55 of 931 🔗

Covid-19 is a scam. If you want to blame someone, then start with the government, which is doing everything it possibly can to keep this blatant scam going.

324298 ▶▶ OKUK, replying to Nobody2020, #56 of 931 🔗

Excellent post. The government and SAGE think their messaging is “clever”. In reality it’s deeply corrosive of the bonds that tie us together as a society. It’s very damaging. One of the worst elements us this objectification of humans as medical cases rather than loved ones, people we hold in our heart, people we view and understand subjectively as our gran, husband, child, friend or even neighbour. This is how we end up with the idea -as insisted upon by government – that it is “bad” for an 89 year old nearing the end of life to die after contracting Covid.

Only the person departing this world and those who loved them can offer any meaningful judgement on that – and it is contingent on what will happen if the person does not die of Covid: would it be “good” if they don’t die of Covid but contract septicaemia the following month, have to endure double amputation and linger on for three months in misery and pain before they die?

The government’s position is a curious mix of political cynicism, cold science and lazy sentimentality.

323193 karenovirus, replying to karenovirus, 20, #57 of 931 🔗

I live in what had been an active and prosperous small city, we barely noticed Austerity with unemployment bumbling along at 1-1.5% for the past decade or more.

Parts of the city are now Desolation Row.
These three retail premises are just off the high street and within 50 yards and sight of each other.

The first used to supply equipment to commercial kitchens, hotels, restaurants and the like, this pic only shows half of it.

323194 ▶▶ karenovirus, replying to karenovirus, 12, #58 of 931 🔗

Up the street was a large bicycle outlet

323195 ▶▶▶ karenovirus, replying to karenovirus, 13, #59 of 931 🔗

And on the corner was a wedding dress retailer.
The whole unit, the food image in the window is presumably an attempt to make it look less tumbleweed.

323245 ▶▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to karenovirus, 18, #60 of 931 🔗

Very disturbing photos. Some time ago, a journalist on Twitter invited people to reply to a thread he started by posting photos of their local high street or any they happened to be in.

The response was overwhelming and while the images were depressing what stood out for me were photos sent from affluent places like Bath, Richmond, Oxford, Kensington, etc. Which is a dead giveaway that this is extremely bad when even businesses in rich areas are also going under.

323606 ▶▶▶▶ bebophaircut, replying to karenovirus, 3, #61 of 931 🔗

On St Lawrence, Montreal, there are many closed shops that have similar window dressing to yours.

323600 ▶▶▶ bebophaircut, replying to karenovirus, 4, #62 of 931 🔗

They want to ban cars and make everybody walk or ride bicycles, yet their actions have closed down a bicycle shop.

323709 ▶▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to bebophaircut, 3, #63 of 931 🔗

I’ve noticed that TFL have stopped with their walking or cycling adverts and announcements. Plus the cycle lanes in central London are pretty deserted.

323196 Annie, replying to Annie, 72, #64 of 931 🔗

Peter Hitchens in the MoS has made up some little fables. He orovides a moral, but nobody here will need it spelled out:

“The first is The Man Who Burned Down His House To Get Rid Of A Wasps’ Nest. In this, citizens see their neighbour doing this mad thing and rush to try to stop him.
But he refuses to be dissuaded, shouting as he throws petrol on the flames ‘Well, what would you have done?’ while his neighbours shout back ‘Not that, anyway!’ until the entire street is burned to embers, while the unharmed wasps buzz round his silly blond head.
The next is The Surgeon And The Verruca, in which a man comes to see his doctor with a verruca. ‘That’s a really terrible verruca,’ says the medic. ‘The only thing I can do is cut off your leg.’
The man is not sure about this but the doctor tells him that this is an advanced new treatment and that without it, the verruca will probably be fatal.

His assistant, an eminent sage, produces reams of figures which seem to prove this. The man submits and duly wakes up with one leg. Filled with remorse, he questions the surgeon’s wisdom.
‘Well,’ stammers the sawbones defensively. ‘Your verruca’s gone, hasn’t it?’ He then adds sternly: ‘Actually, I should have cut your leg off sooner because look, there’s now a second verruca on your remaining foot and the other leg will have to come off too.’ The sage proclaims: ‘He’s right, you know,’ and out comes the saw again.
And the third is thes story of The Great King Who Thought He Could Stop Autumn. In this, a prince who has longed to be World King since boyhood ascends to the throne. He finds his royal duties surprisingly dull until a courtier rushes in to say: ‘Panic! The leaves are falling from the trees! Something must be done!’ And so the King orders his soldiers out into the forests to glue the leaves back on the trees.
Advisers who grumble that the fall of the leaves is a normal event called autumn are shouted down, dismissed and accused of being callous and cruel to leaves. The King spends all the money in the country on glue, ladders and soldiers’ pay.
And after he has made his kingdom bankrupt and autumn takes place as usual, he says: ‘We should have acted sooner.’ Moral to all three: the cure can be worse than the disease.”

323199 ▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Annie, 49, #65 of 931 🔗

The Australian outback farmer who was forbidden from clearing the scrub around his farmstead to preserve the environment for a special breed of frog that lived nearby.

Following a firestorm he told a news reporter ” the the house has gone, the scrub’s gone and so’s the bloody frog’. “

323207 ▶▶▶ mjr, replying to karenovirus, 29, #66 of 931 🔗

not sure if Karenovirus’s example is meant to be a fable or not. certainly most of the forest fires that devastated Australia last summer and which were all put down to global warming were because, as per Karenovirus’s example, people were prevented from carrying out clearances of scrub by government. This scrub and undergrowth provided the fuel for the fires. America has had the same issues, with authorities cutting down (excuse the pun) on forest maintenance,so making fires there more frequent and bigger.
The law of unintended consequences

323209 ▶▶▶▶ chaos, replying to mjr, 17, #67 of 931 🔗

Australia deliberately released the RHD virus to kill its rabbit population. That virus spread around the world and begun killing rabbits elsewhere inc. pet rabbits. Now most rabbit owners in the world are told to vaccinate against RHD.

323214 ▶▶▶▶ karenovirus, replying to mjr, 7, #68 of 931 🔗

It was widely reported following a series of bush fires some years earlier.
The farmers point, as you suggest, was that he routinely cleared the scrub to create firebrakes and to prevent such fires reaching his home.

323216 ▶▶▶▶▶ Nigel Sherratt, replying to karenovirus, 6, #69 of 931 🔗

Similar circumstances in California (see TC interview linked here) with new homes in forests where occasional fires were a normal part of the life cycle of the forest.

323231 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Nigel Sherratt, 11, #70 of 931 🔗

The best speaker that I know of about California is Victor Davis Hanson who is both an academic and a practicing farmer.
His number one point is that on environmental grounds the State has not built a single reservoir for forty years despite an ever rising population.
Calufornias ruin will not be tectonic it will be lack of water.

And their public schools vie with Mississippi at the bottom of the league table despite having more top Universities than any country except the USA itself.

323611 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ bebophaircut, replying to karenovirus, 1, #71 of 931 🔗

Meanwhile Governor Nuisance wines and dines his ministers in expensive French restaurants.

323239 ▶▶▶▶ Will, replying to mjr, 22, #72 of 931 🔗

The same applies closer to home and the dredging and maintenance of the Somerset levels drainage system. After the devastation of 2013/14 they finally told the idiots to piss off and dredged the system properly having left it to silt up for a generation and since then the flooding has only happened where it is meant to, on the moor and not into houses.

323258 ▶▶▶▶▶ TJS123, replying to Will, 6, #73 of 931 🔗

I live there, and there are still floods that have closed many roads and flooded areas of farmland, over the past couple of weeks, but not to the degree seen in 2014. Yet!

323278 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Will, replying to TJS123, 9, #74 of 931 🔗

Fields and roads flooding has always happened. In 2014 houses flooded that have never even come close and the rainfall wasn’t as severe as 2000/2001. I am born and bred on the levels, my family still farm there and much of the ground is under water as we speak. But, crucially, because they have properly cleared the system, and maintained it since 2014, the arteries are no longer clogged which means the water can be pumped away between storms.

323314 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Thomasina, replying to Will, 5, #75 of 931 🔗

I live on the levels too – and what they have done appears to be working. Parts of the Levels will always flood but the closure of the A361 for months on end was something else. Water levels 8ft deep upto the roof of the old willow works never seen before.

323366 ▶▶▶▶▶ Dorian_Hawkmoon, replying to Will, 4, #76 of 931 🔗

Re the Levels, I believe they also no longer had their dredgers and had to import new ones.

323518 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ RichardJames, replying to Dorian_Hawkmoon, 3, #77 of 931 🔗

Yes, because the bitch who caused it all, sold the dredgers off for scrap and turned off the pumping stations. She should have been sued into penury for what she did.

323917 ▶▶▶▶▶ chris c, replying to Will, #78 of 931 🔗

Yes I remember it back in the seventies, there was constant dredging on the Tone and Parret and the floods went where they were expected to. Meanwhile in other parts of the country they built houses on the flood plains and were surprised when they got flooded.

323268 ▶▶▶▶ mjr, replying to mjr, 13, #79 of 931 🔗

for example – China and the “four pests campaign” they exterminated the sparrows because they were eating grain. This caused a famine because all the grain was then eaten by locusts and other insects that had boomed in numbers as there was no sparrows to eat them. Links to wuhan flu????

323615 ▶▶▶▶▶ bebophaircut, replying to mjr, 2, #80 of 931 🔗

Social Engineers imposing their stupidity on Nature.

323288 ▶▶▶▶ DRW, replying to mjr, 7, #81 of 931 🔗

Another example: Cats culled in one of the plagues, just encouraged the higher infected rats.

323407 ▶▶▶▶▶ Bella Donna, replying to DRW, 1, #82 of 931 🔗

Consequences eh?

323608 ▶▶▶▶ bebophaircut, replying to mjr, 3, #83 of 931 🔗

Anything to help push Agenda 2030.

323312 ▶▶ Waldorf, replying to Annie, 4, #84 of 931 🔗

Past ages knew that the doctor could be more dangerous than the disease. Many common medical practices like bleeding are now known to have done more harm than good.

323706 ▶▶▶ Annie, replying to Waldorf, 2, #85 of 931 🔗

I recommend Molière’s Le Malade imaginaire. Not just for its hilarious satire on doctors, but for its portrayal of a stupid, selfish, gullible man whose every decent instinct is perverted by pseudo-medical tyranny. I bet the author never dreamed that four centuries later, most of Europe’s population would be exhibiting exactly the cretinous stupidity that he thought he was exaggerating for comic effect.

323198 Cecil B, replying to Cecil B, 29, #86 of 931 🔗

Welsh Government Press release

‘We are concerned that the public have confused themselves about what constitutes ‘essential goods’ to be sold in shops under our new life saving laws

We have taken on board concerns about children’s winter clothes and items such as toasters and microwave ovens that that occurred during our much praised firebreak

We are therefore pleased to announce that the above goods are available for sale in supermarkets on the basis that the original item is ‘worn out’

The decision about wornoutedness is strictly a matter for the store

In order to ensure compliance and uniformity across the country we have issued the following guidance to supermarkets

Each application for purchase should be dealt with by an instore Court of Compliance

The quorum for the Court must be at least two and up to a maximum of three officials. The quorum must include either the Manager or Deputy Manager of the store.

Heads of Department should sit as appropriate. For example if the item in dispute is a toaster then we suggest the head of soft furnishings is co opted

In order to minimise the burden on stores, Courts of Compliance will only be required to sit between 10am and 11am each day (see: cuttingredtape.org.cymru)

Applications to purchase must be in writing and submitted in triplicate through your local police station

When your case is heard evidence must be given in person. Legal representation will not be permitted, and you may be subjected to a brutal cross examination

The decision of the court is final and cannot be appealed

To prevent multiple applications the decision of the adjudicating Court will be branded on the forehead of the Applicant (including successful applications)

In the interests of fairness the government indemnifies itself, the police and supermarkets against child deaths or house fires that occur as a result of delays in the above process’

Further helpful information is available on our website:

www/http/shedinthegarden.com

323200 ▶▶ Marialta, replying to Cecil B, 3, #87 of 931 🔗

Unbelievable, thanks for posting. Just heard that a call has been put out on Twitter for medical students to assist in Cardiff ITU departments. They need to know how to prone a patient with respiratory trouble.

323201 ▶▶▶ Marialta, replying to Marialta, 2, #88 of 931 🔗

PS mine is for real 😌

323236 ▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Cecil B, 2, #89 of 931 🔗

You may mock Cecil B but worn out equipment can be a real hazard.
For many years the Fire Brigade were plagued by frequent fire alarms from the University to which they were obliged to send two tenders and the ladder, the vast majority turned out to be false alarms.

Following in-depth research the problem was resolved by forbidding students from having toasters in their Uni rooms.

In view of this would the First Minister consider allowing students to self-certify the wornoutness of their electrical equipment during this cataclysmic pandemic ?

323342 ▶▶▶ Cecil B, replying to karenovirus, 2, #90 of 931 🔗

Ok, I promise to be mockless for the remainder of the day

323392 ▶▶ Bella Donna, replying to Cecil B, 1, #91 of 931 🔗

Insane. This has nothing to do with the virus.

323712 ▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Bella Donna, #92 of 931 🔗

None of it has anything to do with the virus. Lighten up!

323202 Viv, replying to Viv, 18, #93 of 931 🔗

And so the game in the MSM, of ‘save the NHS’ and it’s all the fault of ‘Teh Torees’ goes on. We read that the NHS lacks 80,000 staff. Cue: outcry.
We don’t known if this is all frontline staff (one is permitted to have one’s doubts) but the number has been bandied about for some time.
One also wonders if and when the NHS top administrators will realise that the ongoing isolation scheme (isolate and get tested because one of your contacts might have ‘the virus’) is in any way to blame.
Yesterday we read that the Armed forces using the fats, laminar flow test to get the truckers moving through Dover four only four (!) positive covid cases in the 1,600 they’d tested that far.
But of course – “We” can’t trust those tests, can we – we must trust only the holy PCR tests …

323205 ▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Viv, 15, #94 of 931 🔗

Yesterday the BBC website was reporting 24 positives from a total of 10,000 tests at Dover.
Another LS reader worked out that statistically every one of those 24 was likely to be a false positive.

323211 ▶▶ Steve Martindale, replying to Viv, 31, #95 of 931 🔗

At its peak the RAF had over 1 million personnel and was consider the biggest employer of all time, the NHS has now exceeded that with somewhere around 1.5 million staff, which I understand is the biggest workforce of any organisation in Western Europe. There are around 21 thousand covid patients stated to be in hospital, so by my rough calculation this equates to 70 NHS staff for every covid patient. If that overwhelms the NHS then it is not fit for purpose and needs a radical review and reform.

323262 ▶▶▶ TJS123, replying to Steve Martindale, 9, #96 of 931 🔗

They’re not all nurses and doctors though! Subtract HR, payroll, audit, procurement, cleaning, estates, finance, recruitment, RTT validators, coding, general management, etc etc and the actual number of patient facing staff is much less, with many off forcibly isolating. In my hosp, we were running with a staff nurse vacancy rate of about 60, and now another 60+ are isolating at any one time due to “the rules”.

323290 ▶▶▶▶ karenovirus, replying to TJS123, 3, #97 of 931 🔗

At the start of lockdown the entire office /management workforce happily went off to WFH leaving the front line staff to their fate.
Judging by the car park of nearby County Hall I expect that many still are. I have no idea if WFH staff are included as ‘absent’.

323330 ▶▶▶▶▶ Felice, replying to karenovirus, 4, #98 of 931 🔗

My daughter works for a city council, so I have a few anecdotes as to what they are up to.
She’s WFH, with a real emphasis on working – her team, in the information governance dept, are snowed under with work and can hardly cope. She’d love to be back in the office, if only because her heating bills have grown so much, but the building design prohibits more than about 1/3 of previous number of workers. They were hot desking before March. Now the lack of lift capacity in a 10 storey building severely limits numbers in the office.
Lots of employees were reallocated during the first lockdown – parks and gardens staff were all involved in distributing essential supplies to those who needed them, others were drafted in to help with bereavement, etc etc. Things have pretty much gone back to normal now, but my daughter does not know what has happened to those who are classified as vulnerable, and who can’t WFH, nor what proportion of the work force they are. Having stood watching staff flood out of the building in happier times, I suspect quite a few are vulnerable, just from their size….

323488 ▶▶▶▶▶ Jo Dominich, replying to karenovirus, 1, #99 of 931 🔗

Interesting isn’t it? With all the jobs in admin and management that are worthless jobs, non clinical and completely unnecessary, that not one NHS has been furloughed.

323371 ▶▶▶▶ Alan P, replying to TJS123, 1, #100 of 931 🔗

How many diversity officers and supporting staff?

323464 ▶▶▶▶ charleyfarley, replying to TJS123, 3, #101 of 931 🔗

Posting this from a standpoint of virtual ignorance but isn’t it the case that the nursing profession was made all graduate in recent times? Surely such an arbitrary rule limits the number of potential applicants? If I’m right wouldn’t it make sense to abandon this and offer apprenticeships instead, requiring minimal entry requirements? I suspect that a great deal of fetching and carrying goes on in a hospital ward, for medicines, meals, equipment, cleaning materials, moving patients in wheelchairs and on trolleys etc, for which graduates are over qualified. Let young apprentices do this while learning on the job.

I may be way out on a limb here, but something tells me there are going to be a lot of people, young and not so young, looking for work next year.

It might also help if there was rule limiting the number of non-medical staff e.g. so many administrators per front line staff member so that we had a sensible ratio of chiefs to indians.

323923 ▶▶▶▶▶ chris c, replying to charleyfarley, 1, #102 of 931 🔗

Yes I was told by a nurse at a high end hospital the dates when the non-medial staff outnumbered the medically qualified and the managers outnumbered the nurses. It was something like 1984 and 1987 and has certainly got worse

323857 ▶▶▶ matt, replying to Steve Martindale, 5, #103 of 931 🔗

If the health service cannot cope with a “second wave” of an epidemic, for which it had 9 months to plan, having had at least a decade to plan for a putative epidemic in the first place, without completely subjugating the population and removing all of the citizenry’s freedoms, the health service is not fit for purpose.

323243 ▶▶ Will, replying to Viv, 16, #104 of 931 🔗

If the PCR test was banned and the LFT used the whole crisis would be over.

323287 ▶▶▶ crimsonpirate, replying to Will, 9, #105 of 931 🔗

I suspect France, Spain and Belgium switched to LFT in the last couple of months. All have <300 per 100k positives. Previously it was closer to 1000 per 100k.

323321 ▶▶▶ Thomasina, replying to Will, #106 of 931 🔗

But that apparently throws up too many false negatives. Cant win.

323385 ▶▶▶▶ TheBluePill, replying to Thomasina, 3, #107 of 931 🔗

Except that the proof of that assertion is based on the PCR being gold-standard.

323569 ▶▶▶▶ Will, replying to Thomasina, 1, #108 of 931 🔗

According to PCR. As the crimson pirate said, France, Spain and Belgium appear to have moved over to LFT and the crisis has gone.

323203 mikec, replying to mikec, 15, #109 of 931 🔗

I’m normally fully supportive of everybody who contributes to the lockdown cause. But you have to ask why the gent who submitted TWO tests taken from the same person has been featured. We all know the ‘test‘ is fatally flawed, but if he had no symptoms why did he submit to being tested? He’s manufactured his own problem, if it’s a struggle to test his son he should have said so, not just blundered on. We’re going nowhere fast if we keep this up, and we wonder why thousands are still being ‘tested’.

323206 ▶▶ Steve Martindale, replying to mikec, 33, #110 of 931 🔗

I thought from the article that he and his son had to be tested so that his son could go back to his special school. A lot of the pressure for testing seems to be coming from schools, colleges, institutions and workplaces who are insisting that in order to attend people and their relatives, carers and associates must all have a negative test result. It has grown into a monstrous self perpetuating cycle of testing and pointless restrictions.

323213 ▶▶▶ Nigel Sherratt, replying to Steve Martindale, 6, #111 of 931 🔗

Yes, my two year old grandson had to be PCR tested along with his parents after he returned from nursery school with a (predictable) sniffle at th end of the first lockdown. All negative thank God. He took it in his stride, just one more crazy thing that grownups subject you to.

323249 ▶▶ Will, replying to mikec, 7, #112 of 931 🔗

Because he had to do it to get his disabled child back into care. My daughter had to be tested to be admitted to hospital. It looks like kids are going to have to take a test to go back to school.

323521 ▶▶▶ Spikedee1, replying to Will, 2, #113 of 931 🔗

But, what sort of moronic system totally forgets that vulnerable people have issues. You are supposed to CARE for the sick not fucking put them through hell. Where is your common sense? He clearly states his son won’t even let him put a toothbrush in his mouth. What is the matter with these people.

323708 ▶▶▶▶ Annie, replying to Spikedee1, 4, #114 of 931 🔗

Anyway, the important general point is that ONE AND THE SAME SAMPLE TESTED BOTH POSITIVE AND NEGATIVE.
Witchcraft!

323722 ▶▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Spikedee1, 3, #115 of 931 🔗

But, what sort of moronic system totally forgets that vulnerable people have issues.

The sort of hideously callous and cruel setup that’s in place at the moment, instigated by a bunch of psychopaths who don’t care about the harmful consequences of their politically-driven edicts.

323208 Alias Margaret, replying to Alias Margaret, 11, #116 of 931 🔗

“The remarkable divergence between the number of “cases” and those reporting symptoms provides yet more evidence that the vast majority of those testing positive do not have the virus.”

http://probabilityandlaw.blogspot.com/2020/12/covid-19-in-uk-remarkable-divergence.html

My dearest friend, from our university days together, has been taken in by all of this. Her husband had a few symptoms and as they had downloaded the Zoe app, got a PCR test. He tested positive but wasn’t ill at all. She tested negative and thinks that either she has had the virus and didn’t know it, or is immune from it.
This is someone who has relatives working high up in the NHS.

323218 ▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Alias Margaret, 11, #117 of 931 🔗

Which is why the press are now reduced to reporting
‘deaths where Covid was mentioned on the death certificate’

And using misleading headlines
’14 deaths were recorded in the countys hospitals on Christmas Eve and Christmas Day’

Reading further on we find those deaths occured 17th to 25th December, ie a full week, and that just one person sadlidied at the main hospital on Xmas day.

323526 ▶▶▶ Spikedee1, replying to karenovirus, 4, #118 of 931 🔗

Yep, here we go again. Death porn. Let’s see if we can get back to the top of the European death list. Come on, you people are not trying hard enough. Do you remember when Carl Hennighan took the figures and proved they were over counting the covid deaths. Now apparently they don’t release the details. Terminal cancer, covid, heart attack, covid, fell off ladder, covid. Can you imagine the sick bastard who goes around terminally ill patients sticking swabs up their nose or down their throat.

323711 ▶▶▶▶ Annie, replying to Spikedee1, 4, #119 of 931 🔗

They exist. An example was reported on this site a few weeks back. Sticking a swab up the nose of a dying man. We have bred a race of monsters.

323728 ▶▶▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Annie, 2, #120 of 931 🔗

…. an emerging minority race of mutant monsters.

323868 ▶▶▶▶ matt, replying to Spikedee1, 1, #121 of 931 🔗

I’ve said this before. The actual numbers are irrelevant: you only need to look at the data sets they’re reporting to know that they’re lying, or at best, making it easy to lie if they want to.

323212 Basileus, replying to Basileus, 25, #122 of 931 🔗

Apparently the Irish Government have had to admit that they have no evidence the virus exists.

“AS PART OF OUR LEGAL ACTION we had been demanding the evidence that this virus actually exists [as well as] evidence that lockdowns actually have any impact on the spread of viruses; that face-masks are safe, and do deter the spread of viruses – They don’t. No such studies exist; that social distancing is based in science – It isn’t. it’s made up; that contact tracing has any bearing on the spread of a virus – of course it doesn’t. This organisation here – is making it up as they go along.” – Gemma O’Doherty

https://principia-scientific.com/irish-government-admits-covid-19-does-not-exist/

323375 ▶▶ Bella Donna, replying to Basileus, 4, #123 of 931 🔗

Interesting isn’t it. As it hasnt been isolated it’s quite right to question its existence.

323415 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to Basileus, 3, #124 of 931 🔗

The response is “Are you saying the virus isn’t real?” and the answer is of course “Well no, the government is”

“So who are all these people in hospital?”

I find people’s questions stop at that point. They sort of reach their limit. To go any further would either be too much work or they know it would be risking the months of effort they’ve put into justifying all the pain to themselves.

I just wish they would try and find out the answers themselves instead of expecting someone to be there and hand it to them on a plate

324061 ▶▶▶ Binra, replying to BeBopRockSteady, #125 of 931 🔗

“So who are all these people in hospital?

What do you mean?

323215 Basileus, replying to Basileus, 12, #126 of 931 🔗

I had an interesting chat on the phone with a distant family member who is a part retired virologist. He is certainly on board with the narrative that the government have got it badly wrong, with the skills set in SAGE being poorly matched to the needs. However, he is more optimistic than I am about the vaccine.

323220 ▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Basileus, 20, #127 of 931 🔗

Very few here are outright anti-vaxxers but many dispute that such a rushed untested vaccine can be guaranteed to be ‘safe’ as is claimed.

323233 ▶▶▶ Wolver, replying to karenovirus, 23, #128 of 931 🔗

Or that one is necessary for the vast majority, when our own immune systems can do a better job. By all means vaccinate the vulnerable, just give the rest of us the choice.

323311 ▶▶▶▶ Ovis, replying to Wolver, 10, #129 of 931 🔗

Erm, everyone who has capacity must have a choice regarding an invasive medical procedure. Vulnerable or not.

323345 ▶▶▶▶▶ PastImperfect, replying to Ovis, 5, #130 of 931 🔗

Agreed. ‘Vulnerable’ are like to be vulnerable to the vaccine.

323346 ▶▶▶▶▶ Bella Donna, replying to Ovis, 5, #131 of 931 🔗

Absolutely. No one should be vaccinated with these vaccines unless the person has been made aware of the risks and have consented.

324073 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Binra, replying to Bella Donna, #132 of 931 🔗

These risks cannot be quantified or extrapolated to any risk factor.
But you are completely missing the awareness of what benefits are likely or expected or wished for and whether crossing fingers behind your back actually magnifies the benefits.

323564 ▶▶▶▶▶ Wolver, replying to Ovis, 2, #133 of 931 🔗

Of course that is what I meant, though very poorly worded.

323683 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Ovis, replying to Wolver, 1, #134 of 931 🔗

🙂 Good to know, Wolver. Have an ovine uptick.

324070 ▶▶▶▶ Binra, replying to Wolver, #135 of 931 🔗

Look up the top down advices and training relative to the informing of the patient as to any kind of choice. (pre covid).
There is no intention or trust in the information as being something that if all was out front would be willingly chosen.
Its the same with eugenics. People just don’t seem to want to do their part for humanity, so we have nudge units and behavioural insights teams etc.
Fear breeds and feeds control breeds and feeds fear.

323242 ▶▶▶ Hattie, replying to karenovirus, 19, #136 of 931 🔗

I am surprised how regularly the term anti-vaxxer is thrown around on this site, it seems somewhat of a contradiction to use such a term when most of us oppose being considered tin foil hat weirdos because of the views we hold. What is the definition of an anti- vaxxer as so many claim not to be one – surely there is no set definition but is open to interpretation (and that’s the point) and as such is not a useful or fair term. If I had children, I would vaccinate them for measles, mumps and rubella as separate injections, but never a combined MMR, the assault on a young immune system seems excessive and why would a government make it difficult to access separate vaccines. Does that make me an anti-vaxer ( not sure why 2 x in vaxxer, maybe makes it look more sinister) or someone who has enough sense to question.
I feel starting a sentence with ‘I am not anti-vaccine’ is an apology for the statement about to be made and undermines the argument, similar to those who feel they have to state I am not racist, before presenting a well supported argument on illegal migration.

323254 ▶▶▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Hattie, 7, #137 of 931 🔗

I’m not anti-vaccine but
despite being very pleased to have been vaccinated against Polio, TB and the rest I would agree that my own immune system (boosted by multiple exposure to all and sundry over the past nine months) is likely to afford much more protection than Pfizer.

323368 ▶▶▶▶▶ Bella Donna, replying to karenovirus, 5, #138 of 931 🔗

Having been vaccinated against TB Polio Smallpox Diphtheria and Measles I consider I’ve had all the important vaccinations so I will not be having the Covid vaccine or flu vaccines either. I’ve never had the flu despite commuting to London for over 30 years, my immune system must be doing something right.

323625 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ bebophaircut, replying to Bella Donna, 1, #139 of 931 🔗

It is worth wondering if this Pfizer vaccine can defeat the protection that you were given with your previous one. Could they clash?

324081 ▶▶▶▶▶ Binra, replying to karenovirus, #140 of 931 🔗

Those who have to openly kneel to the narrative seek to ward off attack thereby.
What have you met regarding the knowing contamination via polio vaccines with SV40 over (if I recall) 25 years. The spreading of polio via polio vaccines and the shenanigans around polio’s definitions, media blitz, vaccine funding drive, and the shifting of diagnostic and testing procedures to make problems ‘go away’ – as in under the carpet?

If you researched Polio you would never have took the covid bait. Or HIV AIDS for that matter.
Cures for polio were ignored, blindsided. The issue was toxic exposure not contagion.
http://www.whale.to/v/polio2.htm

323283 ▶▶▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to Hattie, 12, #141 of 931 🔗

While I take your point, to me an anti-vaxxer is somebody who will not have ANY vaccination, for ethical, religious or personal reasons.

The government takes anti-vaxxer to mean anti Covid vax. Those of us who begin a sentence with “I’m not anti-vax but” are reinforcing the former meaning above, not the latter.

I’ve had lots of vaccinations, but won’t touch any of the Covid ones until the safety cards are available, together with the various data to prove them as safe as is practicably possible. I fail to understand why taking precautions is considered anti-vax.

323370 ▶▶▶▶▶ Bella Donna, replying to Nick Rose, 6, #142 of 931 🔗

It’s government psychops, labelling us as trouble makers, it was the same with voting to Leave the EU being labelled as racists and isolationists, exactly the same M. O.

323493 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to Bella Donna, 2, #143 of 931 🔗

I agree.

323432 ▶▶▶▶▶ Jo, replying to Nick Rose, 8, #144 of 931 🔗

I suppose I could be labelled anti because I will never have another vaccine in my life. Other people can have as many as they want. I previously didn’t travel to countries that required a vaccine (but agreed with the requirement – it just put me off going.) I had a small number of vaccines as a child but am old enough to have had the diseases of measles and mumps. I first refused a vaccine at age 14 (Rubella) because I didn’t think I needed it, as didn’t want children. I refused Hep B when I went to work at Broadmoor. I didn’t think the risk was sufficient, and had recently heard a very good programme on Radio 4 which discussed the small but potentially very severe risks of that vaccine, talking to several people who had been injured by it. Those were the days, when they had balanced and intelligent reporting on the BBC. It was another world, for sure.

323495 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to Jo, 1, #145 of 931 🔗

Panic and mass hysteria from the politicians are not good traits are they?

323252 ▶▶▶ Will, replying to karenovirus, 13, #146 of 931 🔗

Or is necessary for a disease that has killed 377 people under 60 without significant comorbidities.

323299 ▶▶▶▶ Nessimmersion, replying to Will, 7, #147 of 931 🔗

Numbers eh!.
As the Virus has killed 377 Brits with no known preconditions in the past 11 months, how many have been killed on 737’s?

323276 ▶▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to karenovirus, 13, #148 of 931 🔗

I’m not anti-chemicals, but it doesn’t mean I play “catch” with nitro-glycerine.

323473 ▶▶▶▶ charleyfarley, replying to Nick Rose, 1, #149 of 931 🔗

Brilliant!

323416 ▶▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to karenovirus, 6, #150 of 931 🔗

For me, above all it is because of the coercion lurking on the horizon. We allow that now and we enter into a new era of state surveillance

323734 ▶▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 1, #151 of 931 🔗

Exactly. We should be highly suspicious of a rushed and untested vaccine but also be wary of its red-herring properties.

324067 ▶▶▶ Binra, replying to karenovirus, #152 of 931 🔗

if i was such a entity – i wouldn’t be! For i require the vaxxer to provide evidence to support such a by passing of immunity for toxic injections of unproven benefit but inevitable undermining of what they claim to boost.
It is not enough for authority figures and celebrities to SAY things to make them true.
So likewise I don’t use ANY weaponised speech that frames life and freedom to ask real questions as some kind of ‘terrorism’ – including the redefinition of terrorism.

The precautionary principle as I value it is not to implement something new if there is reasonable doubt as to its safety or worth until it can be tested.
Vaccines are not allowed to be tested.
They use the term placebo but it means an existing vaccine.

If you are too frightened to investigate the so called anti vax views is that not exactly WHY to take of the masking blinkers and look?
RFK jrs CHD site is balanced. He never says anything he isn’t willing to be sued for.

Maybe the issue isn’t the vaccines but the mindset of sacrifice to idols.

323260 ▶▶ mjr, replying to Basileus, 11, #153 of 931 🔗

there is a fundamental difference between tried and tested vaccines against diseases that can be really harmful and / or cause life changing illnesses and those that are untested and intended to cure a disease which in most cases is not life changing.

Like most people i had all the jabs as a kid, as did my kids. .. . However i only had the flu jab once – a few years ago… and never bothered since as it was pointless. As is covid vaccine for most people .

323273 ▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to Basileus, 5, #154 of 931 🔗

I’ll certainly be keeping my head down until there is a lot more data available concerning these “vaccines”. Maybe next year (ie 2022), or the one after.

323310 ▶▶ Julian, replying to Basileus, 12, #155 of 931 🔗

Apart from the obvious concerns about it being rushed and political, my fundamental problem with the vaccine is as follows.

Let’s say it works really well and “saves lives” – we will move on and people will think the vaccine saved the planet from eternal lockdown, and that the next “pandemic” we should take the same approach.

In reality it will be hard to tell how well it works, given that the way countries count covid “cases” and “covid deaths” is so unclear and generally political, and we’ve already seen scientists talking about how lots of people need to be vaccinated to reduce “infections” (dubious positive PCR tests) – surely the point of a vaccine is to stop people getting ill

323872 ▶▶▶ matt, replying to Julian, 1, #156 of 931 🔗

I agree. The problem with the vaccine is that it will encourage people to believe that “locking down until we have a vaccine” is a rational approach to the next epidemic. I’m already reading articles explaining how the moderna approach might mean that we can produce a vaccine almost instantly when a new virus is identified. This distracts from the disaster and shouldn’t be let lie.

323326 ▶▶ Ovis, replying to Basileus, 26, #157 of 931 🔗

I refuse to accept a medical procedure the primary purpose of which is to enable the regime to save face politically. The regime should be humiliated, and it is in the national interest that it is. If the regime – by which I mean more than just Johnson and Starmer – comes out of this smelling of roses, I think we have a dark future ahead of us.

The phrase in vogue is ‘systemic failure,’ but in this case the better description is ‘constitutional failure.’

323373 ▶▶▶ Bugle, replying to Ovis, 2, #158 of 931 🔗

Excellent comment.

323410 ▶▶▶ RickH, replying to Ovis, 4, #159 of 931 🔗

The inadequacy of the ‘constitution’ has been evident for a long time. Unfortunately, there never has been, even now, any majority impetus for reform.

323714 ▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to Ovis, 2, #160 of 931 🔗

Well said. We should not legitimise their nonsense and their failure, if anything they should be punished when all of this is over as to avoid a repeat of this whole shit show.

And its not just the government and MPs who should pay but each and every institution that aided and abetted this nonsense.

323393 ▶▶ Dorian_Hawkmoon, replying to Basileus, 12, #161 of 931 🔗

The flu vaccine has never been about saving your life. As far as I can see, it’s always been a public health measure to ‘save the NHS’ during ‘winter pressures’ on the clearly inadequate system (on international comparisons). The ease with which flu deaths have become covid deaths shows how little tested flu there has actually been, with flu on death certs clearly a catch-all for ‘some untested for nasty seasonal virus death in a frail elderly patient’

324086 ▶▶▶ Binra, replying to Dorian_Hawkmoon, #162 of 931 🔗

The stats for ‘flu deaths’ are no more real than covid deaths.
Yes there are deaths associated with respiratory disease complications but viral testing is not required (at least not for end of life deaths with co mordibities etc) and the vaccination agenda owns the PR machinery in public and private spheres.
There is very little independent science on the flu or any other vaccination in terms outside the minimum required to claim effectiveness.
So death by all causes can be used to ensure that for example flu vax doesn’t simply drive recipients to other respiratory vectors such as corona.
I have seen evidence that the strain vaccinated can be worse the following year.
I have no basis to trust the people and corporations pushing the biological and pharmaceutical agenda, excepting the pursuit of profit and the means to capture and protect revenue streams.

323217 alw, replying to alw, 78, #163 of 931 🔗

A lot of pressure coming for those over 70 to be vaccinated as they are elderly. Well both the husband and I are in our early 70’s. Neither of us have any underlying health problems or are on any medication. We are fit and healthy and lead an active life and do not consider ourselves elderly. There are very many like us and who have the same mindset.

We are refusing to have what is called “the vaccination” because we consider it to not be one, it is yet to be proved whether it will make any difference or not to a virus which is now endemic throughout the world and for which over 99% survive. We would prefer to have an antibody test to see whether we already have immunity. Have talked to a number of Doctor friends who whilst not saying so many seem to question the efficacy of the vaccine.

Despite the continuous exhortations from the offspring, at the current time we will not be having “the vaccination”. We prefer to take our chances, we are not selfish and will not be hoodwinked by the politicalisation of the virus.

323227 ▶▶ Hattie, replying to alw, 25, #164 of 931 🔗

My father in law is in his 80s and very active – mentally and physically. Unfortunately he bowed to pressure, had the vaccine and is now suffering from bad flu symptoms and taken to his bed.

323238 ▶▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Hattie, 15, #165 of 931 🔗

Which is one reason a very large proportion of health professionals refuse the normal winter flu vaccine.

323264 ▶▶▶▶ alw, replying to karenovirus, 18, #166 of 931 🔗

My great aunt lived till 103. She lived in a care home, was compos mentis until the last 18 months of her life and always refused the flu jab. Meanwhile all those around her who did have the jab, succumbed despite having it.

323235 ▶▶ Louieg, replying to alw, 28, #167 of 931 🔗

Well done you! My partner is in his seventies and no medications at all. Apart from ex builders arthritis he’s fit and healthy and also refuses to have the vaccine or the flu vaccine! We are lone sceptics here in our village!

323237 ▶▶ karenovirus, replying to alw, 9, #168 of 931 🔗

It is only a ‘vaccine’ down Alice’s looking hole where a word can mean anything they want it to mean.

323271 ▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to alw, 11, #169 of 931 🔗

An antibody test does not prove immunity, particularly if you have prior immunity, eg T-cell immunity. Unless you are in very regular contact with your doctor, I’d just keep your heads down and burn the letters.

323340 ▶▶ Bella Donna, replying to alw, 23, #170 of 931 🔗

I don’t want an antibody test either. In fact I’m staying clear of the NHS. I trust my immune system I do not trust the government nor the NHS. They’ve killed any trust I had this year.

323367 ▶▶▶ Ken Gardner, replying to Bella Donna, 8, #171 of 931 🔗

Me too…

323363 ▶▶ Ken Gardner, replying to alw, 12, #172 of 931 🔗

Add me to the list of over 70s who will refuse it…

323387 ▶▶ RickH, replying to alw, 16, #173 of 931 🔗

Well – I’m in the over-70 category that definitely doesn’t want Covid.

But I would prefer to make my own risk assessment and act accordingly, rather than listen to anything that this bunch of snake-oil salesmen tell me about the incidence of SARS-2, or trust to a patently undertested concoction that is driven by financial gain.

324077 ▶▶ Rowan, replying to alw, #174 of 931 🔗

These so called vaccines will almost certainly be intentionally harmful and should be resisted at all costs.

323219 Fingerache Philip, replying to Fingerache Philip, 24, #175 of 931 🔗

I should say that the DM is apart from the Sun the most read weekly paper and the MOS, I would say is the most popular Sunday one ( I welcome any corrections).
What mystifies me is for quite a while now there has been countless sceptical articles by journalists,scientists, medical people, lawyers and a retired high court judge in these two papers but still the majority of our people refuse to countenance any other ways to deal with Covid other than the complete and utter destruction of our country as dictated by our politicians and so called experts
Any ideas why this is so?

323226 ▶▶ Hattie, replying to Fingerache Philip, 22, #176 of 931 🔗

Look at the response to the Labour guy who pointed out a factual statement about the 377 deaths from Covid – seems people can’t tolerate the truth.

323511 ▶▶▶ PastImperfect, replying to Hattie, 1, #177 of 931 🔗

The SS – 77th Brigade – is always lurking to try to destroy sceptics, but never add anything to the discussion.

324088 ▶▶▶ Binra, replying to Hattie, #178 of 931 🔗

There is an underlying ‘narrative’ that has to be protected because its premise is that it either protects you or is in the protecting the Earth from human environmental evil, or is providing the gravy train that others pay in sickness, poverty and early death, for the ‘eaters’ to ride over the ‘meat’.

323240 ▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Fingerache Philip, 3, #179 of 931 🔗

Unless the DM/MOS commentariat are some strange self selected minority of Sceptics I feel inclined to the opposite view.

323257 ▶▶ mjr, replying to Fingerache Philip, 9, #180 of 931 🔗

MSM is the consistent. — whilst sceptical articles and opinions are regularly shown (they cannot really shut up their columnists), the editorial narrative is still total propaganda. So looking at my papers this morning headlines are both re vaccines are going to save us all.

323269 ▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to Fingerache Philip, 19, #181 of 931 🔗

I’m not convinced the majority ARE in favour of the regressive and repressive measures imposed by governments. But the majority are prevented from meeting to discuss these issues and only get the MSM to keep them company.

323338 ▶▶▶ Bella Donna, replying to Nick Rose, 9, #182 of 931 🔗

I agree that has been the intention all along to stifle debate by any means possible. These people are evil.

323400 ▶▶▶ RickH, replying to Nick Rose, 5, #183 of 931 🔗

The thing is that the Fear factor dominates everything.

323272 ▶▶ Dave Angel Eco Warrier, replying to Fingerache Philip, 16, #184 of 931 🔗

Although they do indeed include such articles they are usually accompanied with the words ‘controversial view’ or ‘personal opinion’ which implies the official government rhetoric is right and the contributions of such people like Lord Sumption, John Lee and even Peter Hitchens are there just to placate the ‘doubters’. The Daily Mail has been quite underhand in a lot of its coverage, seeming to have a foot in both camps at times trying to guage how the wind blows. Overall, I would say it is a pro-lockdown publication and just pretends on occasions to question the government but its heart isn’t really in it and is quite enjoying the situation as it is.

323320 ▶▶ Julian, replying to Fingerache Philip, 13, #185 of 931 🔗

Unprecedented relentless global propaganda and censorship from almost every world government, TV station, newspaper, celebrity, social media platform, public health body, institution – people simply cannot process the fact that so many people and organisations across the world could simultaneously get things so terribly wrong

323369 ▶▶▶ RickH, replying to Julian, 3, #186 of 931 🔗

If you listen to what comes back at you from someone who has swallowed the narrative, this is a massively important factor.

323430 ▶▶▶ jonathan Palmer, replying to Julian, 6, #187 of 931 🔗

They haven’t,they are being paid to lie.The Government were the biggest spenders in advertising for the first 5 months of this crisis

323507 ▶▶▶▶ PastImperfect, replying to jonathan Palmer, 3, #188 of 931 🔗

I was about to make the same observation.

323222 Cecil B, replying to Cecil B, 22, #189 of 931 🔗

In April the Chancellor announced that the country faced it’s biggest economic crisis in 300 years

He has since doubled down twice on his great furlough delusion

He might have spared a moment to look at what occurred 300 years previously

What he would have discovered was the great South Sea Bubble fraud

In an exercise in mass hysteria the whole economic future of the country and individuals was invested in worthless joint stock companies

Financial ruin was visited upon the land

My favourite tale of the time is people investing in a joint stock company titled

‘For carrying out an undertaking of great advantage; but nobody to know what it is’

The Chancellor has invested the future of this country in a joint stock company titled pandemic

Suspect the outcome will be the same

323244 ▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Cecil B, 17, #190 of 931 🔗

At least it wasn’t bloody tulips.

Mark Carney gave the Reith lectures two weeks ago. Discussing Isaac Newton being taken for a ride with the South Sea Bubble.

“Quite often things occur that seem to make no sense. This is because they do not make any sense. If you see something that seems to make no sense, don’t invest – run away”. MC

Lockdown as a response to Covid makes no sense.

323628 ▶▶▶ bebophaircut, replying to karenovirus, 1, #191 of 931 🔗

He could just as well be talking about himself, the Global Action Plan and Climate Change. It makes no sense, run away. Do not invest.

324091 ▶▶▶ Binra, replying to karenovirus, #192 of 931 🔗

Unless you are the prison staff.

323224 Hattie, replying to Hattie, 66, #193 of 931 🔗

Ferguson’s statement must be one of the chilling so far since this debacle began. If people still can’t see this virus response was an act of experimental control of populations after this, then they are beyond stupid, or rsther mindless . As an applied linguist I am particularly interested in his comment that they didn’t think they could get away with it, but then found they could Now when did you ‘get away’ with doing something good, benign, beneficial etc. – this phrase has only negative and usually law breaking connotations. So, now we have complied with this evil, we have emboldened the power structure of governments. So what next, as they are now so enthused by China’s model – political prisoners, torture, executions, forced sterilisation – they must all be salivating at the prospect.

323229 ▶▶ Tom Blackburn, replying to Hattie, 32, #194 of 931 🔗

I am convinced he lacks the basic social skills (suspect he is on the autistic spectrum somewhere) to understand the gravitas of his thoughts and decisions. He thinks in graphs and models.

323259 ▶▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to Tom Blackburn, 22, #195 of 931 🔗

Worse, he thinks in graphs and models that are wrong, based on incorrect assumptions.

323277 ▶▶▶▶ Pancho the Grey, replying to Nick Rose, 8, #196 of 931 🔗

Worse than that, I don’t think he really thinks, he reacts reflexively and then defends his position

323744 ▶▶▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Pancho the Grey, 1, #197 of 931 🔗

I think he reacts to his paymaster.

323365 ▶▶▶▶ RickH, replying to Nick Rose, 9, #198 of 931 🔗

He is, in fact, a very stupid individual, and the stupid are dangerous if given power.

323453 ▶▶▶▶▶ Tom Blackburn, replying to RickH, 6, #199 of 931 🔗

I think Camus says that good intentions can be as dangerous as bad deeds if ill-informed (or similar). He goes on to say, for this reason, that ignorance is the biggest vice.

324092 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Binra, replying to Tom Blackburn, #200 of 931 🔗

Belief that you know is active ignorance

324082 ▶▶▶ Rowan, replying to Tom Blackburn, #201 of 931 🔗

Ferguson is doing the bidding of Bill Gates, who is a generous benefactor of Imperial. No doubt he is also saying what the government wants to hear as well.

323250 ▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Hattie, 20, #202 of 931 🔗

Been saying that since April, they were amazed at what the public would put up with and had to speed up the introduced of further inanities just to keep up.

And don’t forget the organ harvesting.

323331 ▶▶▶ Bella Donna, replying to karenovirus, 16, #203 of 931 🔗

I’ve already declined giving my organs to the NHS. Their assumption that my organs belonged to them was a step too far.

323334 ▶▶▶▶ kh1485, replying to Bella Donna, 13, #204 of 931 🔗

Me too. They snuck out that particular directive in the summer when they clearly thought no-one was taking notice. My body, my choice, not the State’s and that goes for any medical intervention.

323906 ▶▶▶▶▶ Ovis, replying to kh1485, #205 of 931 🔗

Same. Ironic, as I had been coming round to the idea of donation, but the only way to protest against the state claiming ownership of my body is to opt out.

323333 ▶▶ stefarm, replying to Hattie, 2, #206 of 931 🔗

He didn’t get away with breaking his own rules to visit his mistress.

It should of been over as soon as he was caught with his pants down.

323411 ▶▶ Jo, replying to Hattie, 6, #207 of 931 🔗

I studied the death penalty as part of an MA in Criminology. Amnesty collect figures world wide on the numbers of all countries’ citizens put to death by their heads of state, and the only country they could not collect figures from was China. And they were not even able to make a rough estimate.

323535 ▶▶ Spikedee1, replying to Hattie, 7, #208 of 931 🔗

My biggest problem is how can this dick keep saying this shit and nobody challenges his. One interview on the BBC with him and any of the proper scientists like Mike Yeardon, or Dr Lee or Prof Gupta and his whole bullshit world would come crashing down. But why has this not happened? There has been zero debate just junk politicians and advisors spouting bullshit and not one dissenting voice.

323753 ▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Spikedee1, 3, #209 of 931 🔗

There are plenty of dissenting voices but the British Bullshitting Service isn’t going to let them be heard.

323228 Marialta, replying to Marialta, 24, #210 of 931 🔗

https://www.aier.org/article/who-deletes-naturally-acquired-immunity-from-its-website/

For anyone who missed the WHO removing mention of natural immunities from its website this article by Jeffrey A Tucker provides the screenshots from June 9th and November 13.

”It is thoroughly unscientific – shilling for the vaccine industry in exactly the way the conspiracy theorists say that the WHO has been doing since the beginning of the pandemic”

“ What’s even more strange is the claim that a vaccine protects people from a virus rather than exposing them to it. What’s amazing about this claim is that a vaccine works precisely by firing up the immune system through exposure. …….This has been known for centuries. There is simply no way for medical science completely to replace the human immune system. It can only game it via what used to be called inoculation. “

An amazing example to use to persuade anyone who cannot see how the political industry and Big Pharma are intwined

323261 ▶▶ alw, replying to Marialta, 8, #211 of 931 🔗

Until all this nonsense big Pharma we’re having a hard time and lo and behold the virus gifted them opportunities beyond their wildest dreams.

323364 ▶▶▶ RickH, replying to alw, 6, #212 of 931 🔗

The other thing to note is that he same strategy was used to ramp up swine ‘flu.

323763 ▶▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to RickH, 1, #213 of 931 🔗

Which led to the seed companies gaining yet more control over our food supply ….

323232 George Mc, replying to George Mc, 7, #214 of 931 🔗

https://www.itv.com/news/border/2020-12-26/concerns-grow-fo-new-strain-of-covid-19-in-dumfries-and-galloway

‘Concerns grow for new strain of Covid-19 in Dumfries and Galloway’

Just as the vaccine bandwagon grinds on, suddenly a new sales pitch.

“It’s now more important than ever that everyone follows the national directions, including the FACTS guidance around wearing face coverings, hand hygiene, physical distancing and social interaction, and crucially around immediately self-isolating and arranging for a COVID test if we experience symptoms of the coronavirus, however mild.”

It’s at least something that they don’t mention the salvation elixir. But they will.

323234 ▶▶ Marialta, replying to George Mc, 7, #215 of 931 🔗

‘ however mild’ shows the level of desperation. A sniffle? In winter too how uncommon.

323294 ▶▶▶ Waldorf, replying to Marialta, 7, #216 of 931 🔗

I usually have a bout of cold or the flu in the autumn, probably caused by the change in temperatures. Sometimes there is a repeat in spring. This year, nothing like that so far. Maybe lockdowns have prevented it but at what cost? I have certainly been psychologically worse this year than usual.

323414 ▶▶▶▶ crimsonpirate, replying to Waldorf, 1, #217 of 931 🔗

same here. Noticed that strepsils and lemsip were on special offer for the first time ever.

323630 ▶▶▶▶ bebophaircut, replying to Waldorf, 1, #218 of 931 🔗

Buy pine tar gum. Or, go to the country, tear off the sap from pine trees and chew it.

323251 ▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to George Mc, 19, #219 of 931 🔗

Refuse, refuse, refuse. Let the testing meatgrinder fall silent and still.

323255 ▶▶ Hattie, replying to George Mc, 12, #220 of 931 🔗

The new strain … Why do people not question how on earth they know it is the new strain when the the PCR merely gives a negative or positive, no test determines the ‘strain’. 10 days ago Covid 19 was rampant, now old Covid appears to have disappeared.

323323 ▶▶▶ Bella Donna, replying to Hattie, 10, #221 of 931 🔗

The flu season has been hijacked by Covid, no one catches the flu anymore, the pity is most of the general public don’t seem to realise what is happening. I think something has been put in the water supply that fogs their brains.

323457 ▶▶▶ Jo Dominich, replying to Hattie, 3, #222 of 931 🔗

I think Wancock stated something about Porton Down Lab working on this. Now, as soon as I heard Porton Down I knew it was a load of rubbish just to keep Tier 4. They were heavily involved in the Skripal pack of lies – which is a lot like this now – lie, on lie on lie and ridiculous ones at that.

323267 ▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to George Mc, 11, #223 of 931 🔗

Is this another version of the Teenage Mutant Ninja Virus that Wancock is trying to scare us with?

Are they getting desperate or what?

323285 ▶▶ dpj, replying to George Mc, 7, #224 of 931 🔗

Similarly to when someone has been arrested but not yet faced trial and their crime has to legally be described as ‘alleged’ in media the mutant strain should have to be described as ‘allegedly more contagious’ until someone can provide actual data that can be verifiued to prove that it is.

323293 ▶▶ karenovirus, replying to George Mc, 2, #225 of 931 🔗

That Nicola Huh. Always has to have from for herself.

323241 MikeMayUK, replying to MikeMayUK, 8, #226 of 931 🔗

According to a Daily Mail poll , 85% of Britons complied with the rules.”

Have you complied with the latest lockdown rules?

Yes. After a fashion. I mean, I have a vague awareness that there ARE rules and I was careful not to damage them as I drove around them. |_|

No, I want puppies and kittens and babies to die. |_|

323313 ▶▶ Bella Donna, replying to MikeMayUK, 4, #227 of 931 🔗

I ignore all polls just as I do any government announcements.

323322 ▶▶ arfurmo, replying to MikeMayUK, 8, #228 of 931 🔗

It’s hard not to-you can’t shop in closed shops or drink in closed pubs.

323413 ▶▶ crimsonpirate, replying to MikeMayUK, 2, #229 of 931 🔗

plenty of traffic round here on Christmas day-hardly a sign of compliance

323428 ▶▶▶ HelzBelz, replying to crimsonpirate, 7, #230 of 931 🔗

Christmas morning traffic on the M25 and M40 pretty normal for a Christmas morning… as I escaped the tier 4 gulag to illegally visit my parents and sister sans the credulous fool to whom I am married, and who has started recently whining on about how he is in the ‘high risk’ category, being a little over 50!! And slightly overweight…

323455 ▶▶▶▶ Annie, replying to HelzBelz, 2, #231 of 931 🔗

Tell them to go in a bloody diet.

323765 ▶▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to HelzBelz, 1, #232 of 931 🔗

God help you if he gets a slight sniffle!

323543 ▶▶ Spikedee1, replying to MikeMayUK, 1, #233 of 931 🔗

Do you think 1. Anybody knows all the rules and 2. Anyone is going to admit they broke the rules. Personally I broke most of them, but do people trust if the confess the old bill might be knocking at your door after your confession?

323544 ▶▶▶ Spikedee1, replying to Spikedee1, 1, #234 of 931 🔗

Darling there is someone at the door……..

323246 Nick Rose, replying to Nick Rose, 52, #235 of 931 🔗

I note the fear porn is being ramped up again, based on “cases”. These bastards need lining up against a wall and shooting. I was originally inclined to restrict the total to eight (Johnson, Gove, Hancock, Sturgeon, Drakeford, Whitty, Vallance, Dick), but we may as well shoot the lot while we’re at it.

323263 ▶▶ Steve Martindale, replying to Nick Rose, 26, #236 of 931 🔗

Either they are all unbelievable stupid and short sighted or they have been sucked into some megalomaniac power trip that this virus hoo-haa has given them a taste for and they are now addicted and like any addict cannot give it up.
If you see a beginner steering a boat it lurches from port to starboard and back as they overcorrect on the tiller, an experienced boatman knows how much of a gently nudge on the tiller will keep the boat on line. The clowns we have in charge of UK Public Health policy and action are like putting a toddler in charge of steering the Isle of Wight ferry and ending up swamped in the bay of Biscay.
To my mind the only factor that can ever justify real dramatic Public Health action is the total registered death figure, this did have an unprecedented leap in April/May and fair enough, we took unprecedented action but when it went down the powers that be had become addicted and could not give up and we have suffered pointless damage ever since as they try and control the uncontrollable.

323303 ▶▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Steve Martindale, 10, #237 of 931 🔗

Megalomaniacs boosting their own egos were always going to float to surface like turds once Public Health came to trump my health or your health.
The most radical stage of the French Revolution came under

The Committee Of Public Safety.

323773 ▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Steve Martindale, 1, #238 of 931 🔗

They have only ever been trying to control the populace – and it’s worked for an alarming percentage.

323301 ▶▶ Robin Birch, replying to Nick Rose, 7, #239 of 931 🔗

Def would add the Chris Hopson of NHS Providers to your list

323452 ▶▶ Annie, replying to Nick Rose, 6, #240 of 931 🔗

Gimme a gun. Gimme.
Or, as Gimli would put it, ‘Give me an axe and a row of Welsh Coronastalinist necks and all weariness will fall from me.’

323547 ▶▶ Spikedee1, replying to Nick Rose, 2, #241 of 931 🔗

Oh prof pantsdown is top of my list, ALL of sage, and that moronic Devi bitch in Scotland, a special death from a thousand cuts for dem bastard.

323247 swedenborg, replying to swedenborg, 27, #242 of 931 🔗

https://mobile.twitter.com/MichaelYeadon3/status/1342926294523248641

This is an updated twitterthread about LFR and testing the truckers.According to Yeadon the rate of pos is in the range of FP for LFT which is quite low.
Yesterday I posted a comment that even if these were true positives this did not indicate a pandemic virus spreading but a low frequecy endemic virus with mild symptoms and not any asymptomatic carriage.
The house of cards of mass testing with PCR must fall. LFR must replace it as it seems to catch the infectious virus (those less than Ct 25).

323248 ▶▶ swedenborg, replying to swedenborg, 3, #243 of 931 🔗

Sorry LFT

323270 ▶▶ Steve Martindale, replying to swedenborg, 12, #244 of 931 🔗

Like everything else with this hoo-haa the powers that be will never admit a mistake or acknowledge the need for a change. The House of Lords and the Parliamentary Health committee have proved totally ineffective at challenging Gruppenfuhrer Hancocks wild and maniacal Dr Strangelove approach to Public Health policy.
So much of this hoo-haa has exposed the shortcomings in our National Life but will we learn or do anything about it?

323358 ▶▶ RickH, replying to swedenborg, 4, #245 of 931 🔗

But the political rationale is to persist with PCR.

323265 Bart Simpson, replying to Bart Simpson, 24, #246 of 931 🔗

Two experiences yesterday that demonstrates how far the brainwashing is really going:

  1. Mr Bart and I went for a Boxing Day walk round Hampstead. There was a fair number of people about especially as the cafes were open for takeaway. We have to shake our head at the number of people muzzled up in the Great Outdoors!! There must be really something about this that even supposedly well educated people can fall for this. That said, won’t be surprised if Hampstead is Lockdowinsta central given the population that are fairly affluent and have not really been affected by this shit show.
  2. Evening – watched the Royal Opera House Christmas concert which was an enjoyable hour and a half of performances from their singers and chorus. The only thing that ruined it for us were the musicians in the string and percussion sectors (save for 1-2 who I suspect are exempt) all muzzled up with one even wearing 2 muzzles (or has sellotaped his nose)!!! As Mr Bart has said it made the whole concert depressing and he was relieved when the camera was focusing on the performers or the wind musicians, even the conductor.

We’re reaching the conclusion that if this becomes more common we will boycott any future streamed performaces and simply travel back in time via YouTube and archive performances.

323308 ▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Bart Simpson, 12, #247 of 931 🔗

The Covid makes an exemption for woodwind players ? How sweet.

323324 ▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to karenovirus, 9, #248 of 931 🔗

It’s a very intelligent virus 😉

323325 ▶▶▶ kh1485, replying to karenovirus, 12, #249 of 931 🔗

It’s nice like that. Just like it allows you time to have a spot of lunch before resuming it’s deadly rounds. I pointed this out to someone who noticed how busy we were a few weeks ago: “Yes, we are aren’t we, considering there is a deadly virus in our midst” That earned me a sucked-lemon look!

323351 ▶▶▶▶ Dame Lynet, replying to kh1485, 5, #250 of 931 🔗

Just a look, though, not a rational argument in response.

323362 ▶▶▶▶▶ kh1485, replying to Dame Lynet, 8, #251 of 931 🔗

Precisely. I have not had one rational argument offered – just dirty looks or, in some cases, hysterical rants.

323777 ▶▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to kh1485, 1, #252 of 931 🔗

Glad you’ve been busy!

323776 ▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Bart Simpson, 1, #253 of 931 🔗

Sounds as if the cameraman felt like you!

323266 optocarol, 4, #254 of 931 🔗

Felt the need for some light relief: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x-5zEb1oS9A
Yes, minister – always good for that.

323274 Steve Martindale, replying to Steve Martindale, 24, #255 of 931 🔗

They reckon the Oxford vaccine will be approved next week;
https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/13579656/covid-vaccine-oxford-approval-next-week/?utm_medium=browser_notifications&utm_source=pushly
I cannot say I am personally very keen but I guess on the plus side it could lead to pressure to relax some of the restrictions. From what I hear there will be a good number of people queing up to get it, hopefully so many that they will not notice I am missing from the queue.

323279 ▶▶ Londo Mollari, replying to Steve Martindale, 16, #256 of 931 🔗

Nothing says Happy New Year more than Pathogenic Priming.

323284 ▶▶ alw, replying to Steve Martindale, 1, #257 of 931 🔗

Me too.

323309 ▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Steve Martindale, 7, #258 of 931 🔗

Why would they relax any of the restrictions given the supine surrender of most people thus far ?

323329 ▶▶▶ Julian, replying to karenovirus, 13, #259 of 931 🔗

I guess in the coming months we’ll find out whether the government have any interest at all in an exit strategy

323341 ▶▶▶▶ jb12, replying to Julian, 6, #260 of 931 🔗

It is clear all of this will not end with a vaccine; they have said as much. This is societal-level restructuring towards a more ‘inclusive’ system.

323344 ▶▶▶▶▶ kh1485, replying to jb12, 13, #261 of 931 🔗

What depresses me is how blatant all this is now. Yet, people still think it is about a virus.

323354 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to kh1485, 8, #262 of 931 🔗

Agree with this and I’ve long given up trying to wake them up.

323357 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ kh1485, replying to Bart Simpson, 7, #263 of 931 🔗

I think, as we’ve both said before Bart, it will be when *they* come after the money, that the great awakening will be triggered. And not before, sadly.

323726 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to kh1485, 2, #264 of 931 🔗

I can imagine that more redundancies and bankruptcies and coming in January. Mr Bart doesn’t think that many of the shops and restaurants forced to close in December will survive into the New Year.

323347 ▶▶▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to jb12, 9, #265 of 931 🔗

Hopefully that will wake more people given many are pining their hopes on a vaccine to end all restrictions. Once they realise that it ain’t gonna happen that way plus with a trashed economy, I think that could be where the shit hits the fan.

323442 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ jb12, replying to Bart Simpson, 4, #266 of 931 🔗

I am less optimistic. People will believe whatever they are told to.

323486 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ charleyfarley, replying to jb12, #267 of 931 🔗

Sadly I think you are right, because the majority of people simply cannot think.

323784 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to charleyfarley, 1, #268 of 931 🔗

I’m reminded of the smaller chocolate bars, propagandised as being bigger in Orwell’s 1984 .

323766 ▶▶▶▶▶ bebophaircut, replying to jb12, 2, #269 of 931 🔗

Inclusive=Totalitarian.

323405 ▶▶▶ jonathan Palmer, replying to karenovirus, 6, #270 of 931 🔗

The vaccine is not the end but the beginning.Tied to digital / health passport it is the end of freedom.The government will know where you are and what you are doing at all times.
They have already said it won’t be the end of social distancing,masks etc.
This is the new normal they promised us.

323456 ▶▶ Silke David, replying to Steve Martindale, 7, #271 of 931 🔗

There was a thread of comments on my Nextdoor feed of people complaining they were not included in the first batch of vaccine dished out by a local surgery.
I considered posting something warning of the dangers but then I thought let them. They are gone.

323275 Londo Mollari, replying to Londo Mollari, 22, #272 of 931 🔗

A higher than usual number of attacks on Sussex police over Christmas. I seem to recall Peter Hitchens warning that the government is creating widespread disrespect and disregard for the laws, a situation which is in many ways as bad as totalitarianism. https://www.rt.com/uk/510822-sussex-police-16-assaulted-christmas/

323305 ▶▶ Bella Donna, replying to Londo Mollari, 21, #273 of 931 🔗

That’s good to hear, I’m fully in favour of people taking their lives back from these b’stards by whatever means necessary.

323378 ▶▶ leggy, replying to Londo Mollari, 28, #274 of 931 🔗

I suspect that there are many people who will never co-operate with the police again after their disgusting behaviour this year. And rightly so.

323449 ▶▶▶ Annie, replying to leggy, 7, #275 of 931 🔗

I’m one of them, for starters.They aren’t police hereabout, they’re Stalinist thugs.

323485 ▶▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to leggy, 6, #276 of 931 🔗

Not just the police. Any form of authority in fact. Any at all.

323729 ▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to leggy, 2, #277 of 931 🔗

I avoid them like the plague now. Especially if they’re wearing masks, I cross the street to avoid them and don’t respond to any police officer who says hello to me.I’ve become suspicious of them being “friendly” and think they have an ulterior motive.

323992 ▶▶▶ Ovis, replying to leggy, #278 of 931 🔗

I am going to make a plea for police officers.

I know some have behaved appallingly, and many have not behaved well. But I know of others who refuse to wear a mask, and have views on the Rona Reaction that are the same as opinions you might read here. I can believe the rumours aired here that off-duty officers were among those arrested at the last big march in London. Certainly there must be many who are in sympathy with the protesters.

We are going to have to live together as a society after this, and the Police do vital work. Not all officers have failed in their duty, even if some have. I will continue to smile and say good morning.

323786 ▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Londo Mollari, 1, #279 of 931 🔗

If the police were playing busybody, they have none of my sympathy whatsoever. They could have chosen to sit in their cars eating doughnuts, like the good old-normal days.

324047 ▶▶ JohnB, replying to Londo Mollari, #280 of 931 🔗

Weird. 12 in W Sussex, 4 in Brighton & Hove.

Which means we in sunny E Sussex are good boys & girls. 🙂

323280 George Mc, replying to George Mc, 14, #281 of 931 🔗

Oh for fuck’s sake!:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-55456795

‘Covid: EU launches mass vaccination in ‘touching moment of unity’’

‘The EU has so far reported more than 335,000 Covid-related deaths.’

The key word as always is ‘related’. A weasel word which could mean anything really.

Can’t wait to see the Left version of this. No doubt it will be something about how humanity can always pull together when a real crisis arrives. Especially now that Covid Max has arrived.

Ursula von der Leyen, president of the EU commission tweets, ‘Vaccination is the lasting way out of the pandemic.’ Such is the cheery riff for the moment. Personally I think this calls for a re-shoot of that old Coke commercial about teaching the world to sing (Coke after all being the perfect face for Covid since it always tests positive.)

And as if to confirm that message of jubilation:

‘German Health Minister Jens Spahn said on Saturday: “This really is a happy Christmas message. At this moment, lorries with the first vaccines are on the road all over Europe, all over Germany, in all federal states. Further deliveries will follow the day after tomorrow. This vaccine is the crucial key for defeating the pandemic. It’s the key for us getting back our lives.”’

‘Italian Foreign Minister Luigi Di Maio urged his compatriots to get the jabs. “We’ll get our freedom back, we’ll be able to embrace again,” he said.’

I’d like to buy the world a vax
And furnish it with love etc.

323295 ▶▶ mjr, replying to George Mc, 6, #282 of 931 🔗

and so everyone can have nice clean carpets and upholstery

323315 ▶▶ karenovirus, replying to George Mc, 4, #283 of 931 🔗

Matt must be so proud to have got ‘Our Vaccine’ out first.

323281 DRW, replying to DRW, 24, #284 of 931 🔗

Morning all. Although Christmas was always going to be rubbish this year for me it was nice just to have one day without propaganda.

323444 ▶▶ Jo Dominich, replying to DRW, 4, #285 of 931 🔗

Isn’t that the truth. I don’t watch televised news or read newspapers so am spared quite a lot of it fortunately. I’m better for it too.

323286 Hester, replying to Hester, 17, #286 of 931 🔗

Just to say regarding the piece on Neil Ferguson and his admiration for China, please note that at Imperial at least one of his research groups he is a member of one into Arboviruses is sponsored by Bill and Melinda Gates. Huge advocates of Lockdown and enforced vaccintions and tracking of the individual. I haven’t investigated any further yet but I suspect much of Mr Fergusons financing for his”work” is from other Lockdown fanatics with lots of money

323300 ▶▶ Bella Donna, replying to Hester, 10, #287 of 931 🔗

The fact he was never sacked proves the government is fully on board!

323307 ▶▶ DanClarke, replying to Hester, 2, #288 of 931 🔗

Lockdowns, they’ll only win when its raining

323289 p02099003, 5, #289 of 931 🔗

I suspect that there will be little change to the tiers on Wednesday due to the little issue of the U.K./EU Trade agreement which is up for debate on the same day. Unless, the decision is devolved to Whitty et al.

323291 THE REAL NORMAL PODCAST, replying to THE REAL NORMAL PODCAST, 20, #290 of 931 🔗

Wow…we’re all still here even after this new mutant strain of DEATH!

323298 ▶▶ Bella Donna, replying to THE REAL NORMAL PODCAST, 4, #291 of 931 🔗

I’m pinching myself, yes I’m still alive as well!

323304 ▶▶ DanClarke, replying to THE REAL NORMAL PODCAST, 3, #292 of 931 🔗

Gosh

323317 ▶▶ Smelly Melly, replying to THE REAL NORMAL PODCAST, 16, #293 of 931 🔗

Yes after 9 months of not wearing a zombie mask, not antisocially distancing and ignoring the rules we are still here. Anybody would think the whole thing was a massive hoax which only the gullible believed in.

323403 ▶▶ Sarigan (Day 280 of lockdown), replying to THE REAL NORMAL PODCAST, 6, #294 of 931 🔗

I feel a little bit dead today but due to the virus that is single malt whisky.

323448 ▶▶▶ Annie, replying to Sarigan (Day 280 of lockdown), 2, #295 of 931 🔗

Be careful not to spread it.
It’s expensive.

323748 ▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to THE REAL NORMAL PODCAST, 2, #296 of 931 🔗

Yeah can’t believe it. I don’t wear a mask, don’t sanitise, don’t social distance, go out a lot and I’m still standing.

323297 Bella Donna, 7, #297 of 931 🔗

Love that cartoon! Funnily enough we watched the Snowman on Christmas Day! We will definitely be breaking open the champagne New Year’s Eve and toasting the back of this year. The government stole this year from us I won’t let them steal the next one! They can stick their Build Back Better where the sun don’t shine along with their vaccine !

323302 DanClarke, replying to DanClarke, 1, #298 of 931 🔗

Anyone see any Happy Vaccination cards yet?

323316 ▶▶ dpj, replying to DanClarke, #299 of 931 🔗

There are lots of cringeworthy GIFs you can send to a recipient of your choice
https://giphy.com/search/happy-vaccination

323353 ▶▶▶ alw, replying to dpj, 3, #300 of 931 🔗

How about this one

323318 BeBopRockSteady, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 4, #301 of 931 🔗

Took time to look at the responses to Paul Emberys tweet. Just when you think we have a chance of winning the argument it leaves me deflated.

One example is one person mention the extremely broad categorisation of Covid deaths. PCR positive etc. Some people answer this with “Source?” or “Really? That does not sound right”

Living under a rock being fed their news by the BBC

323423 ▶▶ HelzBelz, replying to BeBopRockSteady, #302 of 931 🔗

Yes I find this. Basically if not in the BBC news it’s not a credible source do they won’t read it.

323552 ▶▶ Spikedee1, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 1, #303 of 931 🔗

And if you quote a source it gets taken down. Well that’s a winnable argument.

323794 ▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to BeBopRockSteady, #304 of 931 🔗

77th?

324225 ▶▶ Jez Hewitt, replying to BeBopRockSteady, #305 of 931 🔗

Source? He clearly stated they’re official NHS stats. Fuckin source? I’m all up for a de-population exercise alright.

323319 Nick Rose, replying to Nick Rose, 2, #306 of 931 🔗

Just watching “The World At War” on Yesterday Channel. Doesn’t Arthur Seyss-Inquart sound like Bill Gates? Just thought I’d mention it…

323446 ▶▶ Annie, replying to Nick Rose, 5, #307 of 931 🔗

Enough to make you believe in reincarnation.
Stalin is, of course, reincarnate as Mark Dungford, having first spent a purgative period as a slug.

323480 ▶▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to Annie, 1, #308 of 931 🔗

I think being reborn as Mark Dungford is purgatory enough.

323517 ▶▶▶▶ Annie, replying to Nick Rose, 2, #309 of 931 🔗

A slug is certainly higher up the Great Chain of Being.

323553 ▶▶▶▶▶ Spikedee1, replying to Annie, 2, #310 of 931 🔗

And better looking and less slimy!

323770 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ bebophaircut, replying to Spikedee1, #311 of 931 🔗

Send Mark slug gifs.

323327 peteupnorth, replying to peteupnorth, 12, #312 of 931 🔗

Save the country

Stop covid deaths

Do not get tested

please feel free to copy and paste the above.

323359 ▶▶ stefarm, replying to peteupnorth, 6, #313 of 931 🔗

Hear hear.

We are arguing over what test is best now. Nobody should be tested!!

If someone has the flu stay indoors!

This is part of the plan, ‘freedom’ = continued testing for healthy people and continued vaccinations.

The truckers being tested is the perfect opportunity to end this fiasco. 10,000 tests with 24 + results for a flu virus with a 99.95% survival rate.

Oooohhhhh.

It could be argued they a false +’s

323381 ▶▶▶ Banjones, replying to stefarm, 5, #314 of 931 🔗

There’s been little mention of all the folk in March/April who caught the Plague and then simply went to bed for a few days. Of course, they’ve never been counted, but add those to the ones who were known about, and I daresay it would show that a huge number of people have ”had it” and are now immune.

(As an example, I am sure that my next door neighbours ”had it” in April. They don’t think so, because they seem to believe that if you ”get it” then you end up in hospital. Having said that, they’re not of the Terminally Terrified brigade. They just get on with life.)

323409 ▶▶▶ crimsonpirate, replying to stefarm, -1, #315 of 931 🔗

I didn’t think the issue was which test is the best-more like which one is appropriate for a given circumstance

323332 Julian, replying to Julian, 16, #316 of 931 🔗

I found this terrible depressing and frustrating:

  • Back to Normal, Save Lives ” – If you want to get involved in a grass roots campaign, contact this group and ask them to send you some of their leaflets to deliver

I have huge respect for these people, but surely by now some rich business people should have clubbed together to fund a campaign that would deliver weekly leaflets to every household in the UK, ads on social media and TV and in the papers, etc.

Where is the equivalent of “Vote Leave”, or “Vote Remain”?

323349 ▶▶ HelzBelz, replying to Julian, 8, #317 of 931 🔗

Yes I’ve wondered this too. I concluded that the organisations capable of setting up such a campaign are in fact fully supportive of the massive social experiment in which we find ourselves.

We did get a leaflet through our door a couple of months back – not sure who was behind it but it was good, lots of facts and data. My Covidarian husband refused to even look at it. So I concluded that leafleting is pointless – if you’ve made up your mind that lockdowns are the answer, no facts or truths will change it at this stage.

323376 ▶▶▶ Julian, replying to HelzBelz, 10, #318 of 931 🔗

I don’t think anything is pointless. If propaganda didn’t work, no-one would do it. If governments thought people were on board, they would not keep up the relentless barrage.

It’s a mountain to climb because of the incredible volume of lies that need to be counteracted, global lies, with fear as the magic ingredient. And the enemy have a head start.

On our side we have human social instinct, economic self-interest and the truth and the facts.

Public companies are probably afraid to speak up for fear of upsetting shareholders and regulators, but there are some rich, prominent sceptics – Simon Dolan (who has made tremendous efforts), Luke Johnson, Hugh Osmond, Tim Martin, Rocco Forte, Elon Musk I suppose

324350 ▶▶▶▶ Binra, replying to Julian, #319 of 931 🔗

Where propaganda works, the mind is not working.
Engaging in propaganda war is to lose your mind to a polarised narrative identity – set against ‘whatever’.

Awakening the mind to that it is a mind and not a shaped narrative identity, is the communication of equals – for minds are in communication only there.

To meet another in worth and shared value is to extend it because you have it.
The ‘serpent in the Garden’ represents the propaganda of self-lack, doubt and perverted desire. Deceits take over the mind in its own spin as the mutually reinforcing ‘identity’ set apart or distanced from all Relationship, in fear of pain of penalty and loss for te resulting lockdown to physical limits and broken and denied communication, hidden only by the asserting of the mask of both figleaves and thorns.
But WHO told you you were naked?
is the Thought God gives as the stirring of our own capacity to discern and recognise truth from fictions that may be given priority as if true,and reacted to, suffered and died in as real.
This need not be.

But the willingness to question is not IN the mind-spin of a masking identity.
So addressing another by that name is to feed the mask in them – and in yourself, because, its takes one to know one.

Tune into your heart, and note that your problems will want priority and perhaps deny the heart except as can be filtered and fitted to the demands of war against evils. If you need to use another to work out your problems upon, they will not recognise an extension of love, but the imposition of demands.

Questioning in the mind is always some form of circular self-reinforecment, but a true question is not propaganda that states its predicate as the frame an answer must then fit. The heart and mind work together as one or they are not really working at all, for each will deny the other.

Education in recognising propaganda and deceit, is of our own willingness to question our own presumptions, definitions and core beliefs. One could say it is a program running, or a ‘normal’ of subconscious learning, that operates automatically to mask over and support a mutually supported sense of self and world that is already distanced, locked down and ruled by narrative dictates, only the reiteration of this at this time offers a means to recognise the pattern.

There is a world and reality that is truly shared and not merely a shared way of thinking and looking at it from a bubble of distancing set in control and fear of loss. But propaganda operates to deny truth for the necessity of conflict, war and division, without which a private mind will be undone of hiding in darkness.

The beliefs to which the mind clings are its seeming protections. The basis for questioning has to be from an instant of connection. If I attempt to draw on sympathies or leverage fear as antipathies, I cannot simply be the expression of an already present humanity.

While I might THINK I know what is needed in the current situation, I am moved in the heart to recognise that an awakening at the heart is freedom to accept, and that this choice cannot be thrust on another or wilfully enacted myself.

So whatever you do, look to the way and the spirit of the why and what for of the doing. The witness for a love of life and of Humanity can express and share through simple acts in which we have learned to get out of our own way.

The old ‘normal’ is by definition recast by the new conditions – which are of fear and control. But our recognition of these is our freedom to choose not to align or accept this and to reach within for a new expression and witness for the original nature or the free natural – which is not dog eat dog, but a willingness of giving and receiving by which truth aligns our relationships, interactions and exchanges.

If you cannot extend a true presence you can learn from the experience.
If we meeat hate with hate and lies with lies, what good can come of it once its moment of personal fantasy gratification is spent?

323451 ▶▶ THE REAL NORMAL PODCAST, replying to Julian, 5, #320 of 931 🔗

OFCOM will ban any TV adverts as against the guidlines introduced in March April…

323551 ▶▶▶ Julian, replying to THE REAL NORMAL PODCAST, 1, #321 of 931 🔗

Yes, it would be very hard to do something that didn’t get banned, but not impossible

Some graphs based on NHS/ONS data

Some speeches from sceptic MPs in parliament

I’m sure something could get through

Worth a try

323658 ▶▶▶ bebophaircut, replying to THE REAL NORMAL PODCAST, #322 of 931 🔗

But they won’t ban this:

https://www.wisdomkeepers.net/

323671 ▶▶▶▶ bebophaircut, replying to bebophaircut, #323 of 931 🔗

Mark Windows June 2019:
GLOBALIST “SHAMANS” OF GAIA
https://www.bitchute.com/video/VKy-sn0KY_4/

324050 ▶▶ JohnB, replying to Julian, #324 of 931 🔗

One doesn’t stay rich if one swims against the flow, Julian.

323336 George Mc, replying to George Mc, 9, #325 of 931 🔗

Covid isn’t a virus but the name for a new society which requires constant masking and distancing. That the mighty absolving vax will not change anything whatsoever has already been declared by the media priests who have already brazenly declared that even the inoculated will still be too unclean to bare their faces. Social distancing will also continue since face to face groups are the greatest threats to the sacred COVID scripture. The media will also continue to relay moral instruction pieces that expose the retribution meted out to COVID deniers, edifying warning sermons.

Any who persist in the blasphemy of asking the wrong questions will be ambushed by the designated Left who now act as the newly instated revolutionary council to preside over a ‘post-capitalist’ world.

323470 ▶▶ John001, replying to George Mc, 5, #326 of 931 🔗

Politically immune … or medically immune because of a good diet and vitamin D?

Don’t forget, Anthony Fauci takes 6,000 IU per day of supplemental vitamin D. The elite might know that the middle-aged or elderly need this much when the sun doesn’t shine.

It took me years to realise this point. I was too trusting of the authorities. The NHS advises us somewhat patronisingly to consider taking 400 IU per day. Before about 2016 it said that we got all we needed from sunshine and a good diet.

323339 Albert, replying to Albert, 27, #327 of 931 🔗

Tony Blair, speaking with Neil Fergusson . . .

“One of the huge problems we have in the UK is compliance has dropped”

“How far are the public prepared to go to accept tough surveillance?”

For me? Not a inch.

323343 ▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to Albert, 3, #328 of 931 🔗

No chance at all. Tried that, it failed. Back to where we were and start over.

323350 ▶▶ RickH, replying to Albert, 12, #329 of 931 🔗

Blair and Ferguson – experts only in the skills required to manufacture fake evidence and make disastrous decisions..

323352 ▶▶ HelzBelz, replying to Albert, 3, #330 of 931 🔗

What? I haven’t seen the interview but your 2 quotes read as people have stopped complying, for this we will have to go further to ensure they do. Was that the gist?

323399 ▶▶▶▶ HelzBelz, replying to Albert, 3, #332 of 931 🔗

Thank you. They cannot seriously believe that the virus is as deadly as they continue to tell us yet they are pushing for the totalitarianism of the PRC. As the comments say , this has the Great Reset stamped all over it.

323383 ▶▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to HelzBelz, 8, #333 of 931 🔗

It’s a big clap clap for China and Lockdown 1 saved half a million lives. We just need to do it properly this time and weld people into their apartment blocks. Maybe a sprinkling of re education camps too.

The whole discussion is sickening on multiple levels.

323431 ▶▶ OKUK, replying to Albert, 4, #334 of 931 🔗

Ferguson wasn’t very compliant – travelling all the way across London to shag his bit on the side. Had Tony forgotten?

323440 ▶▶▶ iane, replying to OKUK, 2, #335 of 931 🔗

Yes, but Prof Pantsdown is not part of ‘the public’!

323443 ▶▶▶▶ Annie, replying to iane, #336 of 931 🔗

Doh.

323441 ▶▶▶ Annie, replying to OKUK, 2, #337 of 931 🔗

Aha, but Pantsdown ‘considered himself immune’. So that was ok then.

323478 ▶▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to OKUK, 1, #338 of 931 🔗

He’s not in London on that video.

323808 ▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to OKUK, #339 of 931 🔗

I was under the impression that she travelled to him – which makes sense if she’s married.
So he didn’t technically break the “rules”, she did.

323348 Awkward Git, replying to Awkward Git, 42, #340 of 931 🔗

Thought I would finish the year the same way I’ve spent the past 9 months, being awkward, so sent the following e-mail to the test kit manufacturer I was in contact with in November:

With reference to our previous e-mail correspondence in November 2020 about the number of cycles to use in RT-PCR test analysis, you said the PHE requirement was for 45 to be used.

On the Government’s website, published mid-October 2020 there is this document:

https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/sars-cov-2-rna-testing-assurance-of-positive-results-during-periods-of-low-prevalence/assurance-of-sars-cov-2-rna-positive-results-during-periods-of-low-prevalence

In it it says:

Recommended actions

All laboratories should determine the threshold for a positive result at the limit of detection based on the in-use assay.

It is necessary to strike a balance between the risk of false positive test results and an acceptable level of delay in test turnaround time (time taken to report results).

This basically mean that the laboratory is responsible for deciding the number of amplification cycles to run, not the PHE, and research shows that any more than 28-32 is not recommended.

Recently Portugal’s courts has ruled that positive RT-PCR results cannot be used to justify isolation or other restrictions on individuals, there are court cases on-going in Germany that are similar and cases are being prepared in the UK for court cases on the same matter.

I’m guessing this recently published document is Government’s defence and they can blame the testing kit manufacturers such as yourself and testing labs for the “results” and a pandemic based on testing, not a real virus, when the court rules that the RT-PCR tests are being used in such a way they are outwith their recommendations and used in such a way they deliberately increased the number of “positives”.

Feel free to pass this information on to the relevant departments in your company, other test kit manufacturers and laboratories.

323372 ▶▶ Two-Six, replying to Awkward Git, 3, #341 of 931 🔗

Hummmm Awkward…..

323382 ▶▶ Stringfellow Hawke, replying to Awkward Git, 5, #342 of 931 🔗

Wow. Great work AG! 🙂

323386 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to Awkward Git, 5, #343 of 931 🔗

Very good. Playing them off against one another

323439 ▶▶ Annie, replying to Awkward Git, 5, #344 of 931 🔗

All hail, AG!

323570 ▶▶ Skippy, replying to Awkward Git, 4, #345 of 931 🔗

I am in awe of your tenacity and think you should be promoted! Full Awkward Bastard, with bar

323360 Cecil B, replying to Cecil B, 3, #346 of 931 🔗

All is not lost

There is a bright light on the horizon

Tomorrow evening the BBC will be screening live

Dundonald Bluebell v Queen’s Park

In the Scottish FA Cup

Can’t fecking wait

323402 ▶▶ chaos, replying to Cecil B, 1, #347 of 931 🔗

Dumdonald Celtic West Arsenal Rangers were Cameron’s favourite team.

323447 ▶▶ Fingerache Philip, replying to Cecil B, #348 of 931 🔗

Real football, like Accrington Stanley v Rochdale.

323361 arfurmo, 3, #349 of 931 🔗

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/edition/world/asian-countries-that-had-contained-coronavirus-are-hit-by-new-surges-hczqtpvpr (paywall) but you can get the jist that the naughty virus is not being wrestled to the ground/supressed by any of the measures. In other news, tide continues to ebb and flow.

323389 Peter Thompson, replying to Peter Thompson, 15, #350 of 931 🔗

To study and succeed in medicine you need to be good at rote learning. This has been evident to me recently on meeting colleagues and discussing the vaccination campaign. I am not an anti vaxxer but I do have scepticism about the present mass media campaign in favour of the current vaccines on offer.

My colleagues all repeat like parrots the same line about the need for top secrecy in supply and storage of the vaccine because criminals want to steal it and anti vaxxers want to destroy it .

I just point out the ridiculousness of this. Where does your local crime family have a -70 C freezer and how would they go about undetected with an undercover vaccination program which despite the media campaign has little demand from the healthy population

323408 ▶▶ Nobody2020, replying to Peter Thompson, 3, #351 of 931 🔗

They tried to say the same about Al Qaeda and ISIS making them out to be a sophisticated network of criminals rather than separate groups or individuals with no real links other than a shared common belief or hatred of the West.

323390 Nobody2020, replying to Nobody2020, 10, #352 of 931 🔗

Is this too cynical…?

Once they saw what was possible, what people would actually put up with, they also realised how easy it would be to steal from those very same people.

Also by making them dependant upon the state how would they be able to complain or rise up against the hand that feeds them.

323398 ▶▶ DanClarke, replying to Nobody2020, 4, #353 of 931 🔗

I remember hearing something at the start of all this where Johnson ‘allegedly’ said ‘ they won’t go for it’

323394 Sarigan (Day 280 of lockdown), replying to Sarigan (Day 280 of lockdown), 10, #354 of 931 🔗
323555 ▶▶ mikewaite, replying to Sarigan (Day 280 of lockdown), 1, #355 of 931 🔗

Thank you for that post and link . I have bookmarked it so that I can quote the damning paragraphs ( virtually everyone) to my doctor at the appropriate time.

323395 DanClarke, replying to DanClarke, 28, #356 of 931 🔗

I am my own social experiment, after 9 months of ignoring everything, even the first time around, when many were in hiding, and we non lockdowners had the place to ourselves, never worn a muzzle etc, I’m still here, not even a cold, I just touch wood and that seems to work.

323397 ▶▶ chaos, replying to DanClarke, 22, #357 of 931 🔗

10,000 lorry drivers tested with lateral flow tests yielded 24 positives, all of which were asymptomatic. It’s fair to conclude you could french kiss all of Slough and lick all of its car door handles and not get covid. Probably not even that tin foil hat to wonder whether covid 19 was even a novel corona virus.

323437 ▶▶▶ Annie, replying to chaos, 5, #358 of 931 🔗

No … please … not Slough.

323445 ▶▶▶▶ Fingerache Philip, replying to Annie, 4, #359 of 931 🔗

Friendly bombs and all that.

323550 ▶▶▶▶ davews, replying to Annie, 3, #360 of 931 🔗

Unfortunately we here in Bracknell are about to pass Slough as being the hotspot of Covid in Berkshire with over a hundred positive results yesterday. Where on earth they are no idea. Not sure if the Lighthouse lab down the road, about to open, is the cause. Hopefully they will roll out mass LVT testing soon and dismiss all the ‘cases’.

323827 ▶▶▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to davews, 1, #361 of 931 🔗

Who gets tested on Boxing Day????

323474 ▶▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to chaos, 3, #362 of 931 🔗

After you sir, after you…

323401 ▶▶ Fingerache Philip, replying to DanClarke, 3, #363 of 931 🔗

Likewise.

323433 ▶▶ Fingerache Philip, replying to DanClarke, 6, #364 of 931 🔗

My wife and myself suffered from a very nasty case of the flu at the age of 70 two years ago with the after effects lasting well into April but since then (touch wood) both of us have been cough and cold free.

323435 ▶▶▶ DanClarke, replying to Fingerache Philip, 3, #365 of 931 🔗

I rest my case, wood every time.

323479 ▶▶▶▶ Fingerache Philip, replying to DanClarke, 3, #366 of 931 🔗

Actually Dan, if they told some of the morons that in order to protect themselves from the virus, they should balance a plank of wood on their heads whilst wearing a face nappy of course, expect builder’s merchants to run out of planks.

323514 ▶▶▶▶▶ Annie, replying to Fingerache Philip, 2, #367 of 931 🔗

Remember the film with The Plank? Imagine all the zombies chasing after it.

323573 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Fingerache Philip, replying to Annie, 1, #368 of 931 🔗

Brilliant film!

323406 George Mc, replying to George Mc, 7, #369 of 931 🔗

So what will the coming months bring?

First off, New Year will be impossible under the circumstances. Everyone will be relegated to the most minuscule ‘bubbles’ which will amount to ringing the bells from locked toilets. (And even then I’ll bet they’ll still keep their rancid masks on just on case they catch you-know-what from the shower curtain.)

The mighty vax salvation show will continue although the pestilence priests may have overplayed their hand here. Two variants announced so far. Mind you, the truly evil South African one seems to have disappeared at the moment. Matt and Ferguson and Fauci (and the WSW) will continue to hyper ventilate although it will become increasingly difficult since they have already killed off the world’s population many times over.

The TV and film industry are probably already embarked on COVID related shows, perhaps a COVID sit-com with a wacky conspiracy nut fall guy who catches COVID every week? (‘They killed Kenny!’)

COVID songs, covid stand up routines from Stewart Lee, covid porn (masked and socially distanced), rewriting of classics (most obviously ‘Love in the time of covid’ but also ‘The Brothers Koronavirusov’ etc.)

Lots of fun to look forward to!

323498 ▶▶ Stephensceptic, replying to George Mc, 2, #370 of 931 🔗

I went to university with Stewart Lee. Anything but him. Please……..

323412 Fingerache Philip, 10, #371 of 931 🔗

Just took our younger son back to work this morning (no, not everybody can work from home!), and then dropped off his stuff back at his place and then AGAIN cleaned up the dog s××t outside.
I thought to myself : “never mind all this hysterical overreaction to a seasonal flu, what about the diseases that are caused by irresponsible dog owners failing to clean up after their pets?”.

323417 James Leary #KBF, replying to James Leary #KBF, 18, #372 of 931 🔗

One of the tools I’ve developed in order to maintain what little is left of my sanity, is to proceed along two parallel interpretations of what’s happening at the same time. You can ride one of the interpretation horses at a time and change to the other at any time the first one starts to feel unstable, and dangerous to the equilibrium.

The horses are called ‘Cockup’ and ‘Conspiracy’ Cockup is a very British breed. Generally placid, content to watch the world go by as long as he has enough hay in the net. He likes his oats too, and can frequently be distracted from what’s going on the other side of the stable door whilst indulging himself. However, if he feels he is being ignored and it looks a bit interesting out there, he is prone to kick the door until he is turned out. If still ignored he can on occasions wreck the joint, and he doesn’t mind causing himself damage in the process knowing it’s going to infuriate the owner and cause expense in mending the stable and its occupant. He is then likely to bite. And if you try to go behind his back, to kick, very hard.

Conspiracy, on the other hand, is a mare. And a foreign breed. She is a pack animal. She must be with others at all times. She like to be the Alpha and will damage any other beast that tries to thwart her. Very showy. Can look the part. Is attractive to showy riders too. The ones who buy all the expensive clobber and think they can ride just because they look good. She will put up with them as long as they’re on the right hack. Conspiracy especially likes going hunting. Things get killed, you see, and that makes her nostrils flare and she will cross any others to get there first, especially if they’re about to jump. The more that go down the better. If she’s the only one left at the kill …. well that’s kind of the point, isn’t it?

There are lots and lots of Cockups around. They’re ten a penny. Very popular breed around these parts. You know it’s probably going to be a disappointing ride, but you’re used to it, and quite like the uncertainty that today, for once, it might be a good day, and generally, whatever happens, it’s a day out and everybody will be home in time for tea.

Conspiracy is one for the terminally bored. It’s sure as shit going to be an exciting ride. You cease to be in control from the minute you mount, You don’t quite know whether you’re going to be with the rest of them at the end. More likely you’re going to be out of control, off on your own and almost certainly thrown and probably trampled to boot. You are unlikely to be home in time for tea, or ever again.

I’ve been riding Conspiracy quite a lot recently. I’m thinking of changing to Cockup as I’m getting getting a bit windy in my old age, and Conspiracy has been sticking her hooves in too many rabbit holes of late. James Delingpole like riding her though. I’d hate for him to reach the line first, because he’d be bound to shout ‘Told you so’ ever so loudly. I WILL come off if I stay on her, though, and I can’t afford to break anything else. So I’m switching to Cockup for a bit and see if I can’t get him in a door-kicking mood at least. And more , if possible.

323418 ▶▶ HelzBelz, replying to James Leary #KBF, 4, #373 of 931 🔗

Love this.. and as both horse owner and cockup vs conspiracy flip-flopper, can totally relate…

323471 ▶▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to HelzBelz, 2, #374 of 931 🔗

You certainly can’t ride two horses at the same time. No mean feat switching halfway through the race, either.

323560 ▶▶▶▶ James Leary #KBF, replying to Nick Rose, #375 of 931 🔗

Midfleet? (In-joke)

323419 ▶▶ OKUK, replying to James Leary #KBF, 5, #376 of 931 🔗

Good post! I tend to ride the two steeds, like a circus entertainer – one foot on the back of each horse…not comfortable but necessary.

323557 ▶▶▶ James Leary #KBF, replying to OKUK, 2, #377 of 931 🔗

I thought of that but was torn.

323421 ▶▶ godowneasy, replying to James Leary #KBF, 6, #378 of 931 🔗

Great post – I think you’ll be back to Conspiracy soon – Cockup just isn’t going to be mountable for much longer.

323472 ▶▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to godowneasy, 4, #379 of 931 🔗

Nor is Conspiracy, not with Arse Covering steaming up the inside…

323563 ▶▶▶ James Leary #KBF, replying to godowneasy, 1, #380 of 931 🔗

Deserves one last outing otherwise colic & laminitis threaten.

323467 ▶▶ jonathan Palmer, replying to James Leary #KBF, 3, #381 of 931 🔗

I used to ride cock up but after the Leicester local lock down it was knackered,been on conspiracy ever since.

323425 OKUK, replying to OKUK, 6, #382 of 931 🔗

It seems that the WEF is going to hold a special annual conference in Singapore in May 2021, as the normal end of Jan conference in Davos won’t be taking place.

However there will be a virtual Davos conference at the end of Jan, which is billed as “The Davos Agenda”.

When researching this I couldn’t see any reference to “the Great Reset”. Made me wonder: have they realised that the Great Reset was a massive own goal and needed to be junked.

Looks to me like it might have been replaced by the anodyne title “The Davos Agenda”. Same malevolent intent, just trying to disguise it better.

You’ve been warned!

323426 ▶▶ Charlie Blue, replying to OKUK, 2, #383 of 931 🔗

I’m sure they have just changed the title and nothing else.

323427 godowneasy, replying to godowneasy, 8, #384 of 931 🔗

As per the great post below by James Leary, 2021 is going to be one hell of a ride whatever horse you ride. 2020 will soon look like a slow burn warm up, with 2021 running on gas mark 5. Nothing to do with horses…

COVID-19 will not be last pandemic: WHO https://www.dw.com/en/covid-19-will-not-be-last-pandemic-who/a-56065483

“For too long, the world has operated on a cycle of panic and neglect … We throw money at an outbreak, and when it’s over, we forget about it and do nothing to prevent the next one,” Tedros said, adding that current mechanisms are “dangerously short-sighted, and frankly difficult to understand.”
He also said the pandemic has “highlighted the intimate link between the health of humans, animals and planet,” and warned that climate change is making earth less habitable.
“Any efforts to improve human health are doomed” without fighting climate change, Tedros emphasized.

323436 ▶▶ Smelly Melly, replying to godowneasy, 13, #385 of 931 🔗

I see that they are raising the old mantra of no snow in 10 years time and children will only see snow on Christmas cards etc. They said that in 2000 and in 2010 my brother held his 60 birthday party. He hired a large house in Brecon and the family came to stay. It was intended to be weekend of walking in the hills and partying at night. However, we were confined to the house as we had a massive snow storm and was trapped in the house.

323454 ▶▶▶ Albert, replying to Smelly Melly, 4, #386 of 931 🔗

There are plenty of places that never see snow. They seem to manage just fine.

323466 ▶▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to Smelly Melly, 3, #387 of 931 🔗

Be glad to see the back of snow, personally. The cold kills a lot more people than does heat. And coronaviruses are a lot more active in cold seasons than warm ones…

323438 ▶▶ jb12, replying to godowneasy, 10, #388 of 931 🔗

I see they are linking health to climate change – incompetence, I say! I am now convinced that these lockdowns are going to be used to justify further permanent restrictions to ‘save’ the planet from the evil, dirty plebs. All part of the plan.

323469 ▶▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to jb12, 1, #389 of 931 🔗

They’ve tried that before.

323489 ▶▶▶▶ jb12, replying to Nick Rose, #390 of 931 🔗

Yes, I remember the lockdown on ’96 – not a patch on this one!

323462 ▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to godowneasy, #391 of 931 🔗

All sounds vaguely familiar from somewhere. Oh yes, the thoroughly debunked IPCC. This will go the same way, I hope!

323549 ▶▶ Julian, replying to godowneasy, 2, #392 of 931 🔗

“For too long, the world has operated on a cycle of panic and neglect … We throw money at an outbreak, and when it’s over, we forget about it and do nothing to prevent the next one,”

So no panic this year, Tedros? And we’ve had great success preventing the spread of covid….

What a crock of shit

323689 ▶▶▶ bebophaircut, replying to Julian, #393 of 931 🔗

Here is some more shit, from Snopes, the Fact Checkers:

https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/google-black-lives-matter/

323429 Nick Rose, replying to Nick Rose, 39, #394 of 931 🔗

Found on Twitter:

323434 ▶▶ Two-Six, replying to Nick Rose, 26, #395 of 931 🔗

Don’t forget…

323460 ▶▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to Two-Six, 5, #396 of 931 🔗

Brilliant!

323450 Ianric, replying to Ianric, 35, #397 of 931 🔗

There has been discussion about asymptomatic transmission. I feel this is s a myth the government has deliberately built up. In a previous post I used an anology where the government bans microwaves on the basis they are a fire risk and microwaves must be sent away for repair. When microwaves eventually return there are restrictions on what days microwave can be used, they can’t be used after a certain time, there are restrictions how long items can be booked and what foods can be placed in a microwave. Under this scenario the idea is planted in people’s heads all microwaves are dangerous fire risks regardless of whether this is true. People become reluctant to use microwaves.

I feel the government has done something similar with covid. Right from the start lockdown rules have applied to the whole population. When this happens the idea is planted into people’s heads that everyone even healthy people with no symptoms can spread covid which is an effective way to terrorise the population. There is an element of social engineering in lockdown measures as they are designed to isolate people from each other and prevent interaction eg people not being allowed to see family and friends, venues where people socialise such as pubs being forced to close. If people are taught everyone around them is a walking biohazard, it prevents people interacting with each other. I feel there is an element of divide and rule in lockdown measures. If people believe everyone can carry the disease, people become angry with those who disobey the covid cult eg not wearing masks, gathering in groups. Normal socialising is now seen as nothing more than a disease spreading event. The word covid idiot used to describe those who don’t comply.

I have doubts about asymptomatic transmission because I feel it is too convenient for the government because what I have described would not be possible without the idea of asymptomatic transmission.

323458 ▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to Ianric, 18, #398 of 931 🔗

Excellent post! I’ve taken the view that if you can’t garner enough virus to infect yourself, it’s unlikely you can pass enough of it on to infect other people.

323496 ▶▶ Stephensceptic, replying to Ianric, 12, #399 of 931 🔗

I agree. There is very little, or no, real data based evidence for most of the stuff we get told.

I read somewhere that asymptomatic spread was allegedly identified at the start in China. Not clear that any study has corroborated it since. Mike Yeadon states in one of his podcasts that it makes very little sense because someone who is asymptomatic has, by definition, a low viral load so would find it hard to infect anyone.

My sense is that this is now one of the axioms of the Covid religion along with masks, lock downs, social distancing, deadly mutating viruses and general population level fear. This is not to forget that vaccines are the Holy Grail.

But nobody ever produces true evidence for any of this stuff.

323516 ▶▶▶ Jo Dominich, replying to Stephensceptic, 3, #400 of 931 🔗

That’s the problem with the whole official narrative – there isn’t an iota of evidence for any of it. The real Data NHS Dashboard, Government Dashboard, Zoe App etc is never seemingly referred to.

323540 ▶▶▶ Stringfellow Hawke, replying to Stephensceptic, 6, #401 of 931 🔗

I read somewhere that asymptomatic spread was allegedly identified at the start in China.” Yes, I believe this is where it started, and appears to have been comprehensively debunked:
The study, published in Nature , identified 300 asymptomatic positive cases through a massive screening program of more than nine million Chinese citizens post-lockdown in Wuhan—where the CCP (Chinese Communist Party) virus originated—from May 4 to June 1, using PCR tests.
Samples of all the asymptomatic cases were also cultured in the lab and “no viable virus” was found, meaning it cannot transmit a virus.”
https://www.educationviews.org/study-finds-asymptomatic-spread-not-a-significant-source-of-the-ccp-virus-pandemic/

323673 ▶▶▶▶ AshesThanDust, replying to Stringfellow Hawke, 3, #402 of 931 🔗

Asymptomatic, or presymptomatic, transmission is the absolute crux of the matter. The assumption that those who appear healthy may be unwitting killers is the basis for all the restrictions. The trouble is that even studies showing that there is negligible evidence for such transmission cannot say definitively that it doesn’t exist – and combined with the “if just one life is saved . . .” mentality, means that we’re stuck in this nightmare loop for the foreseeable. Argh!

323500 ▶▶ Sam Vimes, replying to Ianric, 14, #403 of 931 🔗

Terrific summing up, Ianric. It realy is voodoo, isn’t it? They are like a child desperate to be right, with an answer for everything:

If you haven’t got it, you’ll get it;
If you get it, it won’t go away;
If it does go away, it will come back;
There’s no immunity;
Then you’ll have long covid;
If you appear healthy, you’ve probably got it without knowing;
You will kill granny;
Now there’s a new strain… and on and on.

Completely new virus next?

‘Asymptomatic transmission’ really is the giveaway – it’s their only answer for people who say “I’m not ill, I haven’t been ill and neither has anyone I know”.

323649 ▶▶▶ Ianric, replying to Sam Vimes, 3, #404 of 931 🔗

Even if you are sick and symptomatic, just how infectious are you. This is an article which was brought by someone on another post

Risk of catching coronavirus from a family member you live with is just 16.6% | Daily Mail Online

If people who have covid are not that infectious and healthy asymptomatic people can’t spread covid, what exactly is the justification for lockdown?

323892 ▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Sam Vimes, #405 of 931 🔗

Asymptomatic transmission to make someone else asymptomatically “ill”?

323538 ▶▶ Stringfellow Hawke, replying to Ianric, 9, #406 of 931 🔗

I have doubts about asymptomatic transmission because I feel it is too convenient for the government because what I have described would not be possible without the idea of asymptomatic transmission.”
Yes. This.
Another way to perhaps test this theory – is to go to your GP and say you think you could possibly have [SARS, ebola, TB, diptheria, pneumonia, rocky mountain fever…or almost anything else of choice ] tell them you have absolutely zero symptoms, have zero problems whatsoever going about your day, but you want to be immediately tested. See what the Dr says, either they welcome you with open arms & say you are spot on & must immediately be tested, or they will tell you to sit down, have a cuppa, and not bother them unless you are ill… any betting people here, want to give odds?! 🙂

323542 ▶▶▶ Sam Vimes, replying to Stringfellow Hawke, 1, #407 of 931 🔗

Well put, SH.

323567 ▶▶ Liewe, replying to Ianric, 8, #408 of 931 🔗

You are being trained as the South Africans have been. When the government is corrupt and incompetent, you run out of electricity. In stead of fixing the problem, government claims that the people are wasteful and use to much electricity. The solution is to “load shed”. Rolling black outs, all the while berating the populace for being so selfish as to light their houses and refrigerate their fresh goods.
To force people to use less, you quadruple the price of electricity and it never comes down again. In summer we can function and in winter the population are hectored as selfish idiots who bring loadshedding on themselves, “overwhelming” the grid. The same happened with our water. Sheer mismanagement by government, aided by corrupt “businessmen”.

Does this sound familiar?

Now at a Covid cinema near you

323459 Paul, 18, #409 of 931 🔗

We had the best two days of Christmas for many years,all of my family in one place for the first time in years,luckily all are sceptical and equally sick of the insanity.Plenty of hugs and laughter,we partied like it was 2019.Most of our neighbours appeared to be doing the same.
I expect the iron fist of Big Brother to descend soon now.

323461 tonyspurs, replying to tonyspurs, 9, #410 of 931 🔗

My mate who worked at the Excel centre who told me a week or so ago that the Nightingale had been dismantled just messaged me and said he’s just been told it has to be put back by the 31st of December which he said is impossible, seems another bout of fear mongering before the January lockdown

323895 ▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to tonyspurs, 2, #411 of 931 🔗

They only need to erect the facade. Don’t need to actually equip the place.

323463 Silke David, 2, #412 of 931 🔗

I do hope so. it is almost impossible to find “normal” fitting jeans!

323465 robnicholson, replying to robnicholson, 11, #413 of 931 🔗

I found the piece in the Times very worrying. I’ve recently signed up to the Times in order to get a wider view of the news compared the FUD the BBC usually pump out. My instant reaction on this single article was to cancel it.

323530 ▶▶ iane, replying to robnicholson, 3, #414 of 931 🔗

For much of my life the Times was regarded as THE go-to newspaper. Those were the days!

323693 ▶▶ bebophaircut, replying to robnicholson, 1, #415 of 931 🔗

Boycott and cancel all subscriptions in one great rolling wave.

323791 ▶▶ Tom in Scotland, replying to robnicholson, 1, #416 of 931 🔗

Yes, I used to like the Times and did buy it for a few weeks into the Rona episode, but saw that it quickly turned into a propaganda organ for the government. I suppose I should not have been surprised – it really is, along with the BBC, the voice of the British establishment.

323468 Poppy, replying to Poppy, 49, #417 of 931 🔗

Hello everyone – had a great Christmas at my boyfriend’s parents’ house. We travelled outside the measly one-day window so that we could have a drink and so that we weren’t tired as dogs having criss-crossed the country twice in one very long day. Luckily bf’s parents are not Covidians – both NHS workers, one of whom will be administering the vaccine next month, so as health professionals they are probably able to look at the bigger picture at the wider non-Covid health problems, unlike mathematician Neil Ferguson who seems to think that the real world follows his exacting mathematical models.

Barely a mention was made of the C word while we were there and we had a great time. I almost forgot about Covid and lockdowns and restrictions. This just goes to show that the insanity exists within the news and social media; once you shut the laptop lid and go into the real world, it practically disappears. You wouldn’t know there was a ‘pandemic’ going on, were it not for useless face rags and silly stickers on the floor.

We drove past a testing centre on the way home, and saw a car turn into it – I’d been driving behind them for the previous 20 minutes doing 60mph, and something tells me that it’s very hard to competently drive a car at that speed when you’re supposedly ill… which begs the question: if no symptoms, why the hell get tested?! On Boxing Day too?! Go back to sitting at home watching crap telly and eating leftover turkey ffs.

Having read Ferguson’s interview in The Times yesterday has made me more sure than ever that we will be proven right eventually and has just convinced me even more than this whole farce is rotten to the core and is no longer about doing what’s best for people’s health. Saying that China – a country with one of the worst human rights records in the entire world – made it possible to ‘get away’ with draconian restrictions in the West, which he himself acknowledged would never have been used otherwise, is an absolute disgrace.

These are not the words of a man who wants to protect the health of the nation he serves.

323482 ▶▶ RickH, replying to Poppy, 9, #418 of 931 🔗

his exacting mathematical models”

No – they’re not ‘exacting’. Or they’d be accurate. Mickey-mouse nerd stuff.

323501 ▶▶▶ Poppy, replying to RickH, 4, #419 of 931 🔗

It was meant ironically – I’m sure he thinks his models are ‘exacting’ when really they are anything but.

323502 ▶▶▶▶ Sam Vimes, replying to Poppy, 8, #420 of 931 🔗

His models are excellent examples. Of shite.

323566 ▶▶ Annie, replying to Poppy, 7, #421 of 931 🔗

Hail Poppy! Glad you had a sane Christmas.

Ferguson's sole aim is to advance the cause of Ferguson, and his sole method is the death of the innocent, be they  animal, human or zombie subhuman.The 'man' is a monster
323810 ▶▶ Tom in Scotland, replying to Poppy, 5, #422 of 931 🔗

Yes, I agree. I was actually shocked by how candid Ferguson was about this – and I didn’t think anything else in this sorry Rona episode could shock me! It’s so chilling I am going to use the quote in the book I’m trying to finish (about democracy).

While much of what we see is discouraging, I think the reason why the forces of darkness are doubling down now is that they are desperately trying to milk what remaining fear there is out of a declining virus. As we go into spring, respiratory viruses fade out, and in the UK, the restrictions come up for renewal, so we must resist this authoritarianism even more so that the false narrative falls apart publicly.

We must also remember all those who participated in this crime against humanity and those who thought emulating China was a good thing. I really want to see professional humiliation for academic people who have said things like this (there is someone based at Oxford who has done this and she’s also going into my book). It’s beyond disgraceful. It’s evil.

323475 godowneasy, replying to godowneasy, 18, #423 of 931 🔗

Maybe it’s just me, but I’m having a problem with the media’s increasing use of the word “jab”. It seems designed to sound safe, cuddly, trivial and to reduce the seriousness of vaccination to the level of changing to a different shampoo. Ryanair’s ridiculous “jab and go” advert is an example of this. Have a look around – it’s everywhere – and it looks coordinated like much of the other COVID-related language.

323494 ▶▶ danny, replying to godowneasy, 8, #424 of 931 🔗

Change it to stab. Or lobotomy.

323525 ▶▶▶ iane, replying to danny, 2, #425 of 931 🔗

If anyone tries to give me the latter, I shall give them a piece of my mind! [Oldie but goldie.]

323512 ▶▶ Jo Dominich, replying to godowneasy, 4, #426 of 931 🔗

I saw that ridiculous Ryannair advert. What part of ‘it’s optional’ do they not understand?

323590 ▶▶ stefarm, replying to godowneasy, 2, #427 of 931 🔗

I was watching the e4 channel the other night and in the bottom right hand corner of the screen was a cartoon happy smiling syringe with a # like #getthejab or similar.

Gross and very insidious or maybe a sign of desperation

323476 Basics, replying to Basics, 8, #428 of 931 🔗

https://twitter.com/Albion_Rover/status/1342971818093780992?s=20

So Bliar and Fergusson choose to chat via webcam in a public conversation. The talk about tough surveillance and ponder how much the public will accept. They also moan public compliance has dropped.

Two evils feel it is their place to talking head to speak in such terms. I woukd be very interested to know who in tge general public values these opinions and respects the men speaking them.

I wonder if bliar and fergusson share common beliefs/religion, it is an odd pairing on the face of it.

323492 ▶▶ jonathan Palmer, replying to Basics, 6, #429 of 931 🔗

Both in the pay of globalists.It just shows that if you hold the right political opinions there is no punishment of failure in public life.

323536 ▶▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to jonathan Palmer, #430 of 931 🔗

Or attended the right courses…

323524 ▶▶ iane, replying to Basics, 2, #431 of 931 🔗

Both former or current Marxists.

323545 ▶▶▶ Julian, replying to iane, 3, #432 of 931 🔗

Both like feeling important and having power over others and don’t care much about the negative consequences of their actions

323477 kh1485, 13, #433 of 931 🔗

Oh dear. Think someone has been on a fishing exercise: the bloke who I suspected of dobbing us in the last time round (the councillor with the wicker basket) has just been in asking quite a lot of questions.

Have to pity one of my canine customers right now. His name is Boris …

323481 danny, replying to danny, 8, #434 of 931 🔗

Merry Christmas everyone.
Like many I have detoxed from the news this week to spend some lovely, normal, time with loved ones.
A brief cursory glance at the news today though and it looks like lockdown has never happened.
The papers are full of celebratory pieces about Boris “winning” the Brexit war.
The way the DM is going, he’ll be up for the Nobel prize by the new year.
Meanwhile the country is masked up and locked down. Have often wondered how much of the “pandemic” was a handy diversion from Trump and Brexit, plus of course the trillions of dollars involved in vaccines.
My guess is the pandemic will start to miraculously diminish soon now we have Brexit and Biden.

323483 ▶▶ jb12, replying to danny, 7, #435 of 931 🔗

This one might, but the precedent has been set and is now being entwined with ‘climate change’.

323484 stevie119, 18, #436 of 931 🔗

I saw some graffiti spray painted on a river bridge just outside Dorchester last week. It said COVID CORRUPTION. Splendid.

323487 Basics, replying to Basics, 5, #437 of 931 🔗

Queen wore purple dress for speech. Same shade as starmers kneeling tie, the illuminated London eye and the covid vaccince card heart/crown motif.

Boris wore tiny fish patterned tie to announce Brexit Deal.

Queen wore obvious EU blue dress complete with yellow flower/stars in hat for state openining of parliament in 2018? (19?) When she wore no crown – against protocol.

What they wear seems to matter to them.

Haven’t listened to queen’s speech so do not know if purple has any relevance to the common colour.

323491 ▶▶ mhcp, replying to Basics, 4, #438 of 931 🔗

Purple has been used for “colour revolutions” by groups funded by a certain Hungarian businessman.

323508 ▶▶ Tee Ell, replying to Basics, 2, #439 of 931 🔗

Purple = the colour of aubergines, and we all know the associations they have with the Illuminati.

323695 ▶▶ bebophaircut, replying to Basics, 2, #440 of 931 🔗

Fashion Choices Matter

323901 ▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Basics, 3, #441 of 931 🔗

UK Column did a slot about wearing purple a few weeks ago. Purple and green signify Common Purpose. Watch out for purple ties etc.
Very sinister!

323973 ▶▶▶ RichardJames, replying to Cheezilla, #442 of 931 🔗

Thanks for the heads-up!

323490 AnotherSceptic, replying to AnotherSceptic, 19, #443 of 931 🔗

It’s now fashionable to report on “covidiots” in the courts for “coronavirus crimes”

The man who spat on the police officer saying that he had the “virus” was then tested afterwards & didn’t have the “virus”

But it left one officer ‘absolutely terrified’ and worried about potentially passing the virus to his two-year-old daughter.

Unbelievable. Fucking woke, brainwashed arseholes.

https://www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/news/greater-manchester-news/coronavirus-covidiots-manchester-court-police-19520576

323503 ▶▶ Sam Vimes, replying to AnotherSceptic, 6, #444 of 931 🔗

Just remind me, what does plod wear that kevlar vest every day for, again?

323506 ▶▶▶ AnotherSceptic, replying to Sam Vimes, 7, #445 of 931 🔗

To protect against the big scary made up virus is my guess Sam….I could be wrong though.

323499 Jonny S., replying to Jonny S., 11, #446 of 931 🔗

Apologies if already posted.
Interesting stuff from Bosnia

https://mobile.twitter.com/bl_byrne/status/1342997359639277573

323528 ▶▶ PastImperfect, replying to Jonny S., 4, #447 of 931 🔗

Just below the Bosnia tweet I found this

https://twitter.com/i/status/1342995101149245440

Everybody should support the aims of this guy.

323587 ▶▶▶ stefarm, replying to PastImperfect, 1, #448 of 931 🔗

💯 %

323613 ▶▶ Tim Bidie, replying to Jonny S., 5, #449 of 931 🔗

Brilliant!

So one of Europe’s most recently war damaged nations is now its most liberal nation.

I can understand that. I looked over the East German border, goon towers, electric fence, minefields, guard dogs etc in 1977. I did not like what I saw.

Do we really have to go through real human catastrophes every few generations so that we can recognize fake catastrophising?

323504 Bruce Reynolds, replying to Bruce Reynolds, 16, #450 of 931 🔗

Next year should be a watershed moment for the sceptic cause, the amount of sheep pinning there hopes on a return to normal life around spring 2021 is quite astounding, plans being made for family get togethers, Holliday’s,etc etc… The level of expectation will reach fever pitch as the lighter night’s and spring comes into view… could this expectation be the straw that broke the Camel’s back.. things are about to get very interesting…

323604 ▶▶ stewart, replying to Bruce Reynolds, 13, #451 of 931 🔗

The key date is when the current extension of the Coronavirus Act expires (31st March).
That will be crunch time.
For anyone wanting to reclaim their freedom and put an end to this nightmare, all campaigning efforts should be focused on creating pressure ahead of that vote.

323779 ▶▶▶ Tom in Scotland, replying to stewart, 3, #452 of 931 🔗

Yes, I agree. If they try to extend the restrictions into the time when respiratory viruses are uncommon, one would hope that even the Covidians would see that this is not about a virus, but perhaps I’m being too optimistic. I know that the Covidians are probably lost, but I think a lot of people ‘in the middle’ are waking up and I do expect more resistance in the coming weeks, so by the time Parliament gets to the extension, I’m hoping we will have reached critical mass. We must push hard to get the message out before this.

323505 wendy, replying to wendy, 14, #453 of 931 🔗

Having had a little normal time for a few days of Christmas I feel very worried about some of the developments. There’s Neil Ferguson praising China in the Times, discussing China with Blair and then Francois Balloux has commented on a tweet where Tony Fauci is pushing the idea that 95% vaccination is the only way to stop COVID spreading. And then there is the abuse Paul Embrey has got on Twitter for quoting and providing a link to government data.

I suppose it is the same things to push back against but it feels to be coming at us fast now. Is the population just seen as a biohazard threat to the elites now? I am feeling a rising panic and like there is no where to hide!

323509 ▶▶ Jo Dominich, replying to wendy, 18, #454 of 931 🔗

Yes it is coming at us fast but I think that’s evidence that perhaps things aren’t necessarily going to their plan so they are doubling down on the message now. Don’t panic Mr Mainwaring!

323534 ▶▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to Jo Dominich, 4, #455 of 931 🔗

Agreed!!

323554 ▶▶▶▶ wendy, replying to Nick Rose, 7, #456 of 931 🔗

Thank you all, I’ll not panic and I do know I am not on my own with this

323522 ▶▶ Hattie, replying to wendy, 7, #457 of 931 🔗

Yet Fauci openly admitted he has ‘nudged up ‘ thevoercentage to see how far he could get it. Started at 70 then said that as that seemed to go down ok nudged it to 80. This has been the MO all along – get the media to sample the response, if it is accepted without too much push back then implement then tighten the screw further. I remember Junker openly admitting this is what they did with the EU, put out some supposed new law and impose tighter laws by stealth.
This would have stopped sooner if people pushed against it.

323532 ▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to wendy, 15, #458 of 931 🔗

Not for you to panic, Wendy. They’re the ones who are panicking, they are frit the “cases” will run out before they’re ready with their escape plan.

Hold fast.

:o))

323584 ▶▶▶ Country Mumkin, replying to Nick Rose, 5, #459 of 931 🔗

Like Wendy I also needed to hear this. Thanks for this Nick 🙂

323586 ▶▶▶▶ Country Mumkin, replying to Country Mumkin, 7, #460 of 931 🔗

I would think this is why they are trying to test the kids… it didn’t look promising with the trucker results: low positives so maybe things are looking up. Maybe that’s also why they want to give everyone that first dose rather than two doses. “Get em jabbed quick before we lose momentum”

323599 ▶▶▶ stewart, replying to Nick Rose, 19, #461 of 931 🔗

I wish I could agree, but I see things darker and bleaker than ever.

The problem I see that when bad actions have no consequences they become normalised.

Ferguson, despite being wrong about everything, despite openly flaunting the rules which clearly show he doesn’t even believe the stuff he says, is back advising the government. And nothing happens.

Ferguson claims that they are copying Chinese authoritarianism. And nothing happens.

And that is how we’ve got here.

They locked us up in our homes. And nothing happened.
They told forced us to wear masks. And nothing happened.
They forced us to be tested. And nothing happened.
They shut people’s businesses arbitrarily. And nothing happened.

When terrible things are done and nothing happens, more terrible things happen. It just emboldens the psychopaths pushing all this.

323583 ▶▶ Country Mumkin, replying to wendy, 6, #462 of 931 🔗

Night before last I had nightmares and I was also feeling very worried. I take heart from Nick Rose below that perhaps things aren’t going to plan.

Also the 85% poll mentioned in post above re following rules could be another jab at trying to get us to believe “you are the only ones breaking rules…”

323623 ▶▶▶ JanMasarykMunich, replying to Country Mumkin, 14, #463 of 931 🔗

I don’t believe a word of the 85%. Indeed all polls are pretty much fixed.

I worked in media myself for more than 10 years (international news monitoring service), and the level of manipulation, propaganda, and sheer hysterical incompetent journalism I have seen this year has left me deeply shocked.

I do not underestimate the forces we are up against (both arse-covering for incompetence, and interest groups pursuing agendas), but we must keep fighting. Certainly, ramping up the censorship shows that they are not so sure of themselves.

I will not be taking any of these vaccines. Keep calm, stay strong.

323652 ▶▶ LMS2, replying to wendy, 5, #464 of 931 🔗

And the WHO has altered its information on herd immunity on its website, i.e. only vaccines can produce immunity in populations, i.e. no natural immunity is mentioned now,
but dear Toby Young still doesn’t see any collusion or conspiracy.

323510 AnotherSceptic, replying to AnotherSceptic, 2, #465 of 931 🔗

Just to get the brainwashed sheeple ready for the next round of “the NHS is overwhelmed”

https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/politics/nhs-facing-perfect-storm-scotlands-23225959

323523 ▶▶ Nessimmersion, replying to AnotherSceptic, 5, #466 of 931 🔗

Krankie and her sockpuppet dentist lying with stats they don’t understand, combined with a complicit BBC pushing project fear and refusing to cover the multitude of Natzi failures and corruption:
https://www.effiedeans.com/p/function-loadthearchivetotalfeed-var.html?m=1

323513 Fingerache Philip, 11, #467 of 931 🔗

Our brave “boys in blue” sent to the Scilly isles to order 5 “criminals” who tried to enter teir 1 from their teir 4 plague pit to return from whence they came.
“Just following orders,madam, you understand”.

323515 james007, replying to james007, 24, #468 of 931 🔗

I would be cautious about the Mail poll saying that 85% are following the “rules”. Firstly, I think a significant number of sceptics are not reading the news, and certainly not participating in polls. (Watching/reading the BBC causes me significant anxiety). More and more people are abstaining from the mainstream outlets, because they see that they aren’t doing anything like “journalism”, more like presenting acceptable opinions, asking the questions which are ok to ask, and taking the Government’s propaganda as news in itself.

Secondly, it is important to note that many following the rules are doing so as they have no choice. How many are on their own this Christmas, in care homes, or sheltered accommodation this year- as their Guardian-reading, BBC-watching families will not see them this Christmas”for their own safety”? Not just the elderly, but also those with mental health or other disabilities. (Incidently, removing choice and agency from a vulnerable person, except if they are incapable of exercising choice, is a form of abuse).

On Christmas day, traffic on the road was typical for Christmas day. It wasn’t the deafening silence of lockdown 1. Perhaps all people seeing support bubbles, or perhaps a growing minority see the huge dangers in this Government’s policies, and where they are taking us. Along the “road to serfdom”.

323541 ▶▶ Julian, replying to james007, 6, #469 of 931 🔗

Don’t know how many households mixed indoors here over Christmas as we don’t know people round our way very well yet, but long walks yesterday and today we saw a large proportion of obviously multi-household groups

323519 Tim Bidie, replying to Tim Bidie, 13, #470 of 931 🔗

If ever/whenever this country finally musters the courage to look itself firmly in the eye, here is the very first immediate problem for resolution:

‘….the formal checks and procedures we have in place to ensure that public inquiries lead to change are inadequate. There is no routine procedure for holding the Government to account for promises made in the aftermath of inquiries, the implementation of recommendations is patchy, in some cases repeat incidents have occurred and there is no system for allowing inquiries to build on the learning of their predecessors.’

This is the remedy required, forthwith:

‘….the Liaison Committee should consider adding an eleventh core task to the guidance that steers select committee work: scrutinising the implementation of inquiry findings.’

‘….interim reports should be published as rapidly as possible, setting out any immediate changes that need to be made to prevent recurrence.’

‘…inquiries should adopt a seminar process to involve expert witnesses when developing recommendations.’

‘Government should implement the repeated recommendation of Parliament to create a permanent inquiries unit within the Cabinet Office’

https://www.instituteforgovernment.org.uk/sites/default/files/publications/Public%20Inquiries%20%28final%29.pdf

It should beggar belief that this country’s government is still manifestly unaccountable for its actions………but it does not…….

323520 ▶▶ iane, replying to Tim Bidie, 3, #471 of 931 🔗

All excellent ideas: hmm, no chance!

323539 ▶▶ Julian, replying to Tim Bidie, 3, #472 of 931 🔗

Also the judiciary seem to have completely ceded any authority in the face of an “emergency”:

https://twitter.com/simondolan/status/1342029061481254916

“Our second case (Dolan 2) totally rejected.

‘Justice’ Saini:

“There is no basis for a court to second-guess the assessment of urgency in the context of decisions made in a fast-moving public health crisis”

Also, deemed ‘academic’, as the rules now changed.Again.”

323527 AnotherSceptic, #473 of 931 🔗

Deleted. Already posted. Sorry

323529 Cecil B, replying to Cecil B, 2, #474 of 931 🔗

Oooops!!!

Someone cocked up with the corona porn story

From Armageddon to don’t ring us in 12 hours

This story was due to be planted in 10 days time when those who had celebrated Christmas were to be blamed

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-55454280

323546 ▶▶ John001, replying to Cecil B, 5, #475 of 931 🔗

A hard argument to sustain; the US and Canada had no Thanksgiving-induced peak.

Anyway if Ivermectin and HCQ are proven for COVID-19 patients in a moderate to serious condition, i.e. they usually stop them getting worse, how did a hospital get into this dire state?

Then there’s vitamin D. Dr David Grimes in his last blog started comparing the benefits of a cheap, safe pill to the vaccines on offer

http://www.drdavidgrimes.com/2020/12/covid19-and-vitamin-d-efficacy-of.html

I’d say he isn’t on the government’s Xmas card list.

323574 ▶▶▶ robnicholson, replying to John001, 3, #476 of 931 🔗

That Grimes article is a very interesting read. First time I’ve seen the costs of the three vaccines compared. Anyone else gobsmacked at the cost per death saved? What price a life?? Or does it just confirm that it’s not that deadly?

323579 ▶▶▶ Banjones, replying to John001, 3, #477 of 931 🔗

These things are cheap. The big powerful pharma companies who are running this show (along with those who have vested intrerests – https://www.zoeharcombe.com/2020/11/sage-conflicts-of-interest/ )
don’t like ”cheap”.

323559 ▶▶ Tom Blackburn, replying to Cecil B, 13, #478 of 931 🔗

Once again, I will attempt to play devil’s advocate here (go easy):

Is there a genuine lack of capacity within the hospital system because,
1. It is winter (obviously) but also
2. The closure / severe curtailment of primary care now and earlier in the year has caused certain groups to require in-patient treatment where preventative care may have … erm … prevented the need for this?

Instead of constantly butting heads with bedwetters, are our efforts better spent pointing out that in-patient admissions for RTIs remain roughly as expected (%) for this time of year and that any capacity issues (if any) arise instead from govt and NHS policies. Reframe their ‘problem’. Like redirecting a sleepwalker safely back to bed.

Just thinking out loud here…..

323571 ▶▶▶ jonathan Palmer, replying to Tom Blackburn, 9, #479 of 931 🔗

You forgot the masses of staff who are off work due to self isolation policies.

323580 ▶▶▶▶ Tom Blackburn, replying to jonathan Palmer, 2, #480 of 931 🔗

If you mentioned that, it’d be an immediate red flag – ‘What you don’t think nurses isolating with symptoms is necessary?’

As I think the vast majority of genuine cases occur in hospitals (the NHS’s dirty little secret), I’m inclined to agree

323592 ▶▶▶▶▶ Julian, replying to Tom Blackburn, 8, #481 of 931 🔗

All good points

The money being spent on useless T&T, furlough etc would be better spent on actual healthcare for sick people

323601 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Tom Blackburn, replying to Julian, 5, #482 of 931 🔗

I think that has been the only sensible option from the start. Protect the vulnerable as best as possible and increase capacity within the health system. Everything else as normal.

323639 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ TJS123, replying to Tom Blackburn, 4, #483 of 931 🔗

And for those who say “you can’t lock up the elderly and vulnerable” – they’ve been locked up since March, with no access to the outside world or their families, what’s the difference?

323645 ▶▶▶▶▶ LMS2, replying to Tom Blackburn, 4, #484 of 931 🔗

Except many of the staff isolating don’t necessarily have symptoms, but have tested positive for CV19, or have family members who have tested positive.

There are also staff who have been “shielding” since this all started, i.e. they’re at home and haven’t come back to work for months.

323971 ▶▶▶▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to Tom Blackburn, #485 of 931 🔗

If I look at Northern Ireland’s bed count, it’s been in decline over the last 10 years.

• Available hospital beds Northern Ireland 2009-2020 | Statista

From 7,200 to 5,200 and that is with a growing population both in number and age.

That 5,200 number is a reflection of general estimated bed numbers. Not really real time. What is real time is the Department of Health’s daily dashboard and guess what the number of beds is stated as?

2,895 beds of which 2,888 are currently occupied

Microsoft Power BI

This is shocking to me. The dashboard sets off alarm bells showing 100% occupancy in hospitals in Northern Ireland. There were reports of 7 ambulances in the Antrim Area Hospital last week and this bounced the local gov into another 6 week lockdown. My town has been in full lockdown now since October 3rd save for a week before Christmas.

So why the huge drop? Is is social distancing of beds? Of staff being relocated and isolated on top? Who the hell knows. This kind of context is just side-lined. Nobody here is asking these questions in any public capacity.

323581 ▶▶▶▶ Country Mumkin, replying to jonathan Palmer, 12, #486 of 931 🔗

We have finally got word from our anaesthetist relative. She is one of the top in the country and works in major London hospital.

1. Hospitals are busy because it’s winter + there is some Covid
2. Hospitals are not busy because purely Covid or new strain.
3. She has only worked in NHS this past year or so and usually does loads of private work.

She’s not a sanctimonious type. She’s fairly balanced. Covid does exist in her experience and it is busier because of Covid but it’s not purely because of Covid and def not new strain. She said last March and April was awful. She is taking vaccine.

I didn’t speak with her, my husband did, but did find this fairly balanced and interesting. I would have asked her lots more if it was me.

I have another source who is one down from chief executive of a rural town hospital and she says from June to Oct there was noCovid at all and it was all done by June. I hope to see her soon so will get more news when I can.

323595 ▶▶▶ Paul, replying to Tom Blackburn, 6, #487 of 931 🔗

Our local,reasonably large,hospital is declared a ‘covid – free green site’ and used for some surgery etc.It is shamefully being used at around 20-30 % of it’s capacity and has been since August and is according to our daughter who works there ‘being used as a giant storeroom for all the crap the other hospitals don’t want.This means operating theatres and wards are full of old equipment,paperwork and old patient files.

323621 ▶▶▶▶ Tom Blackburn, replying to Paul, 4, #488 of 931 🔗

This is the type of thing that needs whistleblowing

323531 CapLlam, 1, #489 of 931 🔗

Yes hate skinny jeans!

I get annoyed at the fact when trying to buy Jeans for my toddler most places have skinny jeans . I tend to buy boys jeans for her instead.

323533 number 6, replying to number 6, 26, #490 of 931 🔗

Count me in as one of the 15% “Law Breakers” !!! Grandchildren, Dog, etc. Christmas Eve Christmas,Boxung Day, Today. Let’s keep our immune systems upto date with the REAL Eko system we’ve been born into. Much better than synthetic vaccines / drugs.

323558 ▶▶ Annie, replying to number 6, 6, #491 of 931 🔗

Fifteen human beings and 85 zombies out of every hundred is quite a good score really.Supposing the poll is to be relied on either way.

323537 TheBigman, replying to TheBigman, 30, #492 of 931 🔗

Is anyone else sick of spineless people recognising what’s going on but cowering away in vain hope that it’ll ‘all go away’.

I encourage LS to get all freedom loving groups/parties/cultures to unite and take down the authoritarian governments.

323548 ▶▶ kh1485, replying to TheBigman, 15, #493 of 931 🔗

Oh yes, the ones who go “it’s terrible, but what can you do?” Rise up, I tell them, to no avail.

323565 ▶▶▶ Hattie, replying to kh1485, 9, #494 of 931 🔗

Yes,the other day two women chatting cheerfully in a shop, one remarked ‘ we have to just get on with it’, took all my strength not to throw my packet of Christmas cards at her.

323578 ▶▶ Tom Blackburn, replying to TheBigman, 3, #495 of 931 🔗

Out of interest, what are “they” expected to do exactly to win LS favour? Burn the local town hall down?

323556 Major Panic, 15, #496 of 931 🔗

Stay Safe Plebs
🤣 😷 🤣 😷 🤣
The Jab is Coming

My latest back window signage, too subtle?

323561 Spikedee1, 3, #497 of 931 🔗

Yes please. Can we return to the David Bowie let’s dance era zoot suit style baggy trousers. My dad used to call tight trouser St. Paul trousers. You know, no ballroom

323562 Skippy, replying to Skippy, 2, #498 of 931 🔗

A decent pair of bootcut denims. With no bloody tears and holes. Shit I’d even wear a bright green baggy denims of the 90’s before I attempt skinny/girlfriend shite

323822 ▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Skippy, 1, #499 of 931 🔗

I wear bootcut cutoffs. (They only had 36″ leg and I’m 5’2″)
The frayed bits trail in puddles but they’re otherwise very practical and comfy – plus they go over my hightops without bunching up.

323568 2 pence, replying to 2 pence, 15, #500 of 931 🔗

ITALY –
Group of doctors in the laboratory swab a kiwi and
find it is positive for Covid.

https://twitter.com/MediaShattered/status/1342140955214942209

323572 Cecil B, replying to Cecil B, 53, #502 of 931 🔗

Supermarkets in Wales are completely ignoring the Rapists Dad’s new laws

They are openly selling children’s clothes and toasters

The revolution is starting

323576 ▶▶ Fingerache Philip, replying to Cecil B, 12, #503 of 931 🔗

Please let it be so,please.

323588 ▶▶ Sam Vimes, replying to Cecil B, 13, #504 of 931 🔗

This just in – Welsh Senedd building blown up by IED made from toaster stuffed with children’s clothes. Thought to have been detonated remotely by non-essential mobile phone…

323603 ▶▶ Annie, replying to Cecil B, 6, #505 of 931 🔗

Toasters?
Raise a slice of toast to freedom!
I’ll have marmite on mine please.

323577 James Leary #KBF, replying to James Leary #KBF, 4, #506 of 931 🔗

One of my ‘things’. The current distain of history and its lessons amongst the Establishment (We’re much better educated and cleverer than those old, stale, pale and possibly smelly people) means they are destined to repeat it all.

Except, if you read the first conclusion of the German intelligentsia, it rather leans towards not letting the messy democratic process decide – just in case the fascist proles elect ghastly populists to did us out of this hole.

An eye needs to be kept on these sort of people. Having lockdown power over the proles has quite gone to their heads.

I’ve shared ‘Why a row about the rise of Hitler has erupted in the German press’ with you from Spectator

https://app.spectator.co.uk/2020/12/27/why-a-row-about-the-rise-of-hitler-has-erupted-in-the-german-press/content.html

323585 ▶▶ Tom Blackburn, replying to James Leary #KBF, 13, #507 of 931 🔗

I’ve been called a conspiracy theorist by an actual teacher of history. For the audacity of questioning the proportionality of lockdown – you couldn’t make it up.

323591 ▶▶▶ Julian, replying to Tom Blackburn, 16, #508 of 931 🔗

I’ve pointed out to people that totalitarian regimes have risen in supposedly sophisticated countries in living memory and been laughed at and called a madman

Do people somehow think that Homo Sapiens 2020 is incapable of evil and stupidity?

323598 ▶▶▶▶ Tom Blackburn, replying to Julian, 3, #509 of 931 🔗

The arrogance is astounding.

323607 ▶▶▶▶ Annie, replying to Julian, 10, #510 of 931 🔗

There is no Homo sapiens 2020, only Homo incredibiliter stultus gullibiliter moronicissimus cretinissimus. And then some.

323661 ▶▶▶▶ PompeyJunglist, replying to Julian, 7, #511 of 931 🔗

People are incredibly naive and complacent. They are certain it couldn’t happen here but can’t articulate why….

Such thinking is lazy, entitled and stupid. Which kind of sums up the West at this point.

323838 ▶▶▶▶▶ Cranmer, replying to PompeyJunglist, 4, #512 of 931 🔗

There’s a very good film from 1964 (available on Youtube) called ‘It Happened Here’ about a fictional German conquest of Britain in 1940. It shows that all the collaboration and atrocities that happened on the continent would have happened here as well, because the German method was basically the same: create a native gauletier class with pay and privileges and get them to spy on and denounce their neighbours to prevent any opposition.

323720 ▶▶▶ frankfrankly, replying to Tom Blackburn, 2, #513 of 931 🔗

I was called a plague rat when I wrote to the local paper

323582 George Mc, replying to George Mc, 3, #514 of 931 🔗

Hmm perhaps I am being overly suspicious but I just did a little look through some of the sites I used to respect just to see what their latest take on COVID is. As per usual, you would think there was no virus situation at all as far as they were concerned.

And there’s Richard Murphy of Tax Research. I had heard how he ‘doesn’t suffer fools gladly’. So I was looking forward to some incisive sparring from this pro-covid warrior. Well, I had to go back pretty far to find an article specifically about the virus and it was all about that Great Barrington Declaration to which our Richard gave the customary Leftist objection: it was a ‘Right Wing thing’ or in this case ‘Far Right Economics’.

At the end of this article he posts a warning to posters with ‘Right Wing sources’. He doesn’t want to hear from them. Since the standard Leftist position is to see all COVID scepticism as ‘Right Wing’, this is pretty much fixing the fight in advance.

Anyway, about half way down he gets some stick from a ‘Joshua’ who starts off sounding reasonable even though Richard calls him a troll. But as the argument proceeds, this Joshua becomes increasingly irate and ends up with juvenile insults, at which point Richard considers himself justified and then utters a blanket ban on those he considers ‘from the far Right’.

So – was that a little staged pseudo-fight? A little bit of theatre to guide the Left faithful away from troublesome COVID scepticism?

323589 ▶▶ Julian, replying to George Mc, 17, #515 of 931 🔗

The characterising of anti lockdown opposition as right-wing has been one of the many things that has reduced our effectiveness

I’m not a leftie but I wish there were more people on the left who speak out to debunk that particular position

323666 ▶▶▶ George Mc, replying to Julian, 12, #516 of 931 🔗

I am a Leftie which is why the ferocious gullibility of these Left sites irritates the hell out of me. I have experienced a sense of utter betrayal from them which has led me to the suspicion that they are controlled opposition. Thankfully there are some on the Left who can see through the manipulative shite but so many have been hoodwinked by the skillful use of partisan mentality.

323815 ▶▶▶▶ SimonCook, replying to George Mc, 1, #517 of 931 🔗

Good evening George,

I very much second your comment.

The worst betrayal (in my eyes) was Medialens. Repeatedly retweeting Piers Morgan really took the absolute biscuit. Even Neil Clark was initially suckered in before thankfully coming round. In fact it was only Off-Guardian that called it from the beginning.

Can I recommend Charlotte Gracias if you aren’t already aware of her

Best regards

Simon

323829 ▶▶▶▶ dommo, replying to George Mc, 1, #518 of 931 🔗

shame about that kier “trilateral commission” starmer ain’t it though?

323594 bebophaircut, replying to bebophaircut, #519 of 931 🔗

https://www.bitchute.com/video/FK8v1P-Psog/

Mark Windows, June 23, 2019 Surviving the Mass Extinction.

323596 ▶▶ bebophaircut, replying to bebophaircut, 1, #520 of 931 🔗

https://principia-scientific.com/lloyds-insurers-refuse-to-cover-5g-wi-fi-illnesses/

Lloyds of London not interested in insuring 5g, smart meters etc.

323597 ▶▶▶ bebophaircut, replying to bebophaircut, #521 of 931 🔗

http://clivebest.com/blog/?p=7120

David MacKay on the fallacy of renewable energy.

323826 ▶▶▶ dommo, replying to bebophaircut, #522 of 931 🔗

LLoyd’s (ahem, note apostrophe) and the major insurers have got quite a big angry dog in this fight – namely the Supreme Court appeals against the earlier FCA ruling on business interruption insurance claims. If the insurers have to pay up (as they should), the hope is that they will then release the hounds on the govt in order to try and recoup their losses – the PCR test would seem to be the achilles heel at which they should be nipping…

323602 Paul, replying to Paul, #523 of 931 🔗

A Covidian letter in ‘Rail Magazine’ this week,

323616 ▶▶ dpj, replying to Paul, 5, #524 of 931 🔗

Once again his argument could be destroyed by the taboo subject of whether asymptomatic individuals can infect others. If answer is no he has almost nothing to be concerned about.

323619 ▶▶▶ davews, replying to dpj, 5, #525 of 931 🔗

And ‘vanishingly known risk’…. I have always felt perfectly safe in the largely deserted trains mask or no mask. Sadly the railway forum (WNXX) I visit seems full of similarly minded individuals, their Covid threads have been repeatedly closed when us sceptics try and make our views known.

323642 ▶▶▶ NickR, replying to dpj, 4, #526 of 931 🔗

If asymptomatic transmission happens there is no way to explain the absence of any significant covid transmission in most of Asia, unless you accept herd immunity through prior exposure to other corona viruses.
Asia puts a lie to virtually every supposed known about all this.

323965 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to Paul, #527 of 931 🔗

A letter that does nothing but to say “I am a covid crazy and can’t use your service”. The rail company seems to have done quite a lot to pacify this person but because other people still can’t be as virtuous as them, they have to remove their business. Jesus. Why take the effort to write in? “Hello, my name is John. I hate myself. Thanks”

323609 ▶▶ Annie, replying to Nick Rose, 12, #529 of 931 🔗

God Almighty, I should SO love to see that happen!

323612 ▶▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to Annie, 4, #530 of 931 🔗

Contacted Simon Dolan over it. There’s still a slush fund sloshing about…

323629 ▶▶ LMS2, replying to Nick Rose, 8, #532 of 931 🔗

Operative word: could.

But maybe LS should get together with Conservative Woman and any other interested party, and crowdfund a class action lawsuit against the government.
Simon Dolan and others have been trying to stop the government action in the courts, but so far it’s been unsuccessful. The courts have interpreted it as necessary to “fight the virus.”

If we don’t fight back, they’re never going to let us out.

323635 ▶▶ HelzBelz, replying to Nick Rose, 3, #533 of 931 🔗

I would happily chip in whatever I can afford to support this as I’m sure many fellow LSs would too. But there is no call to arms, no how to support in this article. But great idea – when can we start?

323646 ▶▶ RickH, replying to Nick Rose, #534 of 931 🔗

Not a prayer, I’m afraid.

323659 ▶▶ Nobody2020, replying to Nick Rose, 9, #535 of 931 🔗

If there are no legal options then the people of any nation are effectively powerless against a rogue government.

Power should not and cannot ever be absolute. There must always be checks and balances to prevent something like this happening again.

As many have said before if there was a proper threat to humanity then there would be no need to coerce people into believing it was so.

323725 ▶▶▶ Old Bill, replying to Nobody2020, 2, #536 of 931 🔗

If there are no legal options then the people of any nation are effectively powerless against a rogue government.

The Vietcong effectively defeated the might of America. So maybe not so. Of course it took many years and they had to live like animals to achieve it (underground). The main difference here is that Americans were not endemic in Vietnam, but Greens and Wokes are totally endemic in GB.

323819 ▶▶▶ dommo, replying to Nobody2020, 2, #537 of 931 🔗

i don’t think there are no legal options; i just think that so far the wrong options have been pursued. Once the PCR test is legally blown out of the water, everything else will come a tumblin’ down

323874 ▶▶▶ jonathan Palmer, replying to Nobody2020, #538 of 931 🔗

Your first paragraph just about sums up our predicament.

323674 ▶▶ steve_w, replying to Nick Rose, 4, #539 of 931 🔗

the money should be paid by asset stripping anyone who has advocated lockdown

323614 godowneasy, replying to godowneasy, 10, #540 of 931 🔗

2021 will be quite a year. As a prelude to building back better, Boris Johnson wants to level the country first. Now might be a good time to invest that spare cash in this exciting new project. Top tips for the early stages are investments in heavy demolition and earth moving equipment.

323713 ▶▶ Old Bill, replying to godowneasy, 2, #541 of 931 🔗

earth moving equipment.

Is that for digging his grave?

323738 ▶▶▶ godowneasy, replying to Old Bill, 3, #542 of 931 🔗

I think there would be enough volunteers with shovels for that job!

323741 ▶▶ bebophaircut, replying to godowneasy, 2, #543 of 931 🔗

Move #10 Downing Street, with everybody in it.

323935 ▶▶ Ceriain, replying to godowneasy, 1, #544 of 931 🔗

Would be impolite of me not to say ‘nice job!’. 🙂

So much fun to be had with the Beeb in Developer Mode, don’t you think.

323617 NickR, replying to NickR, 19, #545 of 931 🔗

London looks increasingly like it’s peaked in advance of Tier 4. Peaking before lockdown, now when have we heard that before? Oh yes, Lockdown 1, Leicester, Lockdown 2, Liverpool, Manchester, Northe West in General, Nottingham, Sheffield, Newcastle, Lockdown 2, London. Have I missed any?

323620 ▶▶ Jonny S., replying to NickR, #546 of 931 🔗

Try west yorkshire

323618 DanClarke, replying to DanClarke, 49, #547 of 931 🔗

What has this country done to deserve Blair and Ferguson, sick and evil both of them. They’re losing. The first lockdown, the seafront near me was deserted, even in the good weather, today, manic busy, great to see, we are winning.

323739 ▶▶ bebophaircut, replying to DanClarke, #548 of 931 🔗

Hooray! Keep it up.

323622 NickR, replying to NickR, 15, #549 of 931 🔗

Northern Ireland just entering a new Lockdown in response to rising falling hospital admissions.

323636 ▶▶ Dorian_Hawkmoon, replying to NickR, 5, #550 of 931 🔗

They don’t want to be left out of the fun.

323624 LMS2, replying to LMS2, 27, #551 of 931 🔗

https://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2020/12/mn_legislators_review_thousands_of_deaths_attributed_to_covid_discover_up_to_40_due_to_other_causes.html

“Two Minnesota state lawmakers are calling for an audit of death certificates that were attributed to the coronavirus, saying COVID-19 deaths could have been inflated by 40%.

State Rep. Mary Franson and state Sen. Scott Jensen released a video last week revealing that after reviewing thousands of death certificates in the state, 40% did not have COVID-19 as the underlying cause of death.

“I have other examples where COVID isn’t the underlying cause of death, where we have a fall. Another example is we have a freshwater drowning. We have dementia. We have a stroke and multiorgan failure,” Franson said in the video.

She added that in one case, a person who was ejected from a car was “counted as a COVID death” because the virus was in his system.

Franson said she and a team reviewed 2,800 “death certificate data points” and found that about 800 of them did not have the virus as the underlying cause of death.

Jensen pointed out that he gained attention back in April when he criticized the Minnesota Department of Health for following federal guides on recording coronavirus deaths.

“I sort of got myself in hot water way back in April when I made the comment that I was, as a physician, being encouraged to do death certificates differently with COVID-19 than with other disease entities,” Jensen said.”

I wonder what would come out if someone did a full audit in the UK.

323632 ▶▶ Annie, replying to LMS2, 8, #552 of 931 🔗

Even more lies, that’s what.

323640 ▶▶▶ LMS2, replying to Annie, 11, #553 of 931 🔗

Update on 27 December

We can confirm that sadly five patients, who had tested positive for Covid-19, have passed away at the Norfolk and Norwich University Hospital. They were two women; one in her 80s and the other in her 90s and three men; one in his 60s, one in his 70s and one in his 80s. All had underlying health conditions.

Update on 26 December

We can confirm that sadly five patients, who had tested positive for Covid-19, have passed away at the Norfolk and Norwich University Hospital. They were two men in their 80s, a woman in her 50s and a man in his 70s, all with underlying health conditions; and a man in his 70s, who did not have any underlying health conditions.

Update on 24 December

We can confirm that sadly two men, one in his 80s and one in his 90s, both with underlying health conditions, and who had tested positive for Covid-19 have passed away at the Norfolk and Norwich University Hospital.

Update on 23 December

We can confirm that a woman in her 90s with underlying health conditions, who had tested positive for Covid-19, has passed away at the Norfolk and Norwich University Hospital.

Update on 22 December

We can confirm that sadly a man and a woman, both in their 70s and with underlying health conditions, and who had tested positive for Covid-19 have passed away at the Norfolk and Norwich University Hospital.

Update on 21 December

We can confirm that a man in his 60s with no underlying health conditions, who had tested positive for Covid-19, have passed away at the Norfolk and Norwich University Hospital.

Update on 20 December

We can confirm that sadly a man in his 70s and a man in his 80s who both had underlying health conditions, and who had tested positive for Covid-19, have passed away at the Norfolk and Norwich University Hospital.

Update on 19 December

We can confirm that sadly a woman in her 90s with underlying health conditions, and who had tested positive for Covid-19, has passed away at the Norfolk and Norwich University Hospital.

Update on 18 December

We can confirm that sadly three patients who had underlying health conditions, and who had tested positive for Covid-19, have passed away at the Norfolk and Norwich University Hospital. They were two men and a woman, all in their 80s.

https://www.nnuh.nhs.uk/news/2020/12/daily-announcement-covid-19-deaths/

Almost no one without underlying conditions, i.e. probable primary cause of death, or under the age of 70.
I’d like to see a comparison with deaths during the last few winters with flu or other respiratory infections circulating.

323665 ▶▶▶▶ Annie, replying to LMS2, 1, #554 of 931 🔗

Sadly.
How sad.
Too bad.

323682 ▶▶▶▶ liztr835, replying to LMS2, 5, #555 of 931 🔗

The way that is written is interesting, they have not put died of Covid, rather “who had tested positive for Covid-19, have passed away” If they had died of it, they would have worded things differently.

323626 NickR, replying to NickR, 11, #556 of 931 🔗

West Yorkshire. I’d be surprised if anyone’s left alive up there!

323710 ▶▶ Old Bill, replying to NickR, 3, #557 of 931 🔗

Nobody at all, in fact so few survivors remain that the entire county is going to be incorporated into Lancashire.

(If nobody will start the war of the covids perhaps I can reignite the war of the roses, anything will help the cause)

323732 ▶▶▶ wayno, replying to Old Bill, 1, #558 of 931 🔗

It’s not wet enough to be incorporated in to us. Bloody woolly backs and their nice weather.

323627 steve_w, replying to steve_w, 20, #559 of 931 🔗

last week of data available from ONS was for week ending 11 Dec

total deaths 12,292

apart from the march/april peak we have to go as far back as weekending Jan 17th 2020 to get numbers as high at 12,990 deaths

ie current death rates are lower than for a normal January (where I can’t even remember the BBC doing their annual NHS overwhelmed stories)

its a very strange ‘pandemic’ – its just not reflected in the data. Of course we have lots of ‘cases’ just as we would if we widely tested for the other 4 coronaviruses. And lots dying ‘within 28 days of being found +ve’ just as we would if we tested for the other 4 coronaviruses.

323809 ▶▶ Steve Martindale, replying to steve_w, 3, #560 of 931 🔗

2020, the year many people first discovered death and were spooked by it,
“Man is born to live, to suffer, and to die, and what befalls him is a tragic lot. There is no denying this in the final end. But we must deny it all along the way.” unfortunately this included the politicians, I recall the bizarre spectacle of Angela Merkel apparently distraught over deaths when in fact the German death rate was about normal! It has also been the year when politicians and officials have shown (wilfully or in ignorance?) an inability to review death statistics objectively and realistically to decide on a good public health policy.

323813 ▶▶▶ dommo, replying to Steve Martindale, 2, #561 of 931 🔗

all 100% wilful i’m afraid

323631 Biggles, replying to Biggles, 12, #562 of 931 🔗

It looks like they don’t teach English very well in the Isle of Wight.

323634 ▶▶ LMS2, replying to Biggles, 12, #563 of 931 🔗

Norfolk has gone from Tier 2 to Tier 4.
Still not sure why, but I’m sure it’s not to do with people coming here in droves.

323648 ▶▶▶ FenTyger, replying to LMS2, 7, #564 of 931 🔗

We have “droves” around here in the flat country but generally they are long straight roads with deep drains alongside. Also jumped from 2 to 4 without passing Go!

323650 ▶▶▶ mjr, replying to LMS2, 4, #565 of 931 🔗

i used to have a drove but it kept breaking down and it was difficult to get the parts from China. Swapped it for a Mini

323737 ▶▶▶▶ bebophaircut, replying to mjr, #566 of 931 🔗

Austin or BMW Mini?

323767 ▶▶▶▶▶ mjr, replying to bebophaircut, 2, #567 of 931 🔗

a real mini.. not a tonka toy version on steroids

323638 ▶▶ Paul, replying to Biggles, 10, #568 of 931 🔗

Looks like the virus of stupidity was there already.

323644 ▶▶ Tom Blackburn, replying to Biggles, 9, #569 of 931 🔗

News Flash:
Our country has many imbeciles.

323818 ▶▶ Cranmer, replying to Biggles, #570 of 931 🔗

Paranoics like this pre-Covid had to make do with handing out badly photocopied rants in pubs, painting slogans on walls, or at best running websites that looked like they had been designed in 1995. Now, they can produce rubbish like this and people actually listen to them.

323633 LMS2, replying to LMS2, 14, #571 of 931 🔗

“Stop Press: A joint investigation by the New York Times and Politico has revealed the extent of China’s efforts to censor social media at the beginning of the pandemic, hoping to conceal its role in triggering the global crisis. Were the architects of the West’s lockdowns inspired by that policy too?”

Censorship of anything governments don’t like isn’t anything new. There’s been increasing censorship for several years. Look at the BBC and Brexit as a prime example.
Or Mark Zuckerberg and Angela Merkel in a hot mic conversation about censoring views that didn’t support mass immigration into the EU and Germany.
The big tech giants swore back in 2016/17 that they wouldn’t allow Donald Trump to be re-elected. They’ve been censoring views that are in support of him, deleting entire conservative YouTube channels

We’re headed towards a CCP-style social credit system, underpinned by big tech.

323637 steve_w, replying to steve_w, 22, #573 of 931 🔗

weekly deaths ran a little below 5 year average earlier in the year and a little above now

woopee doo. Can I have my life back now please?

323735 ▶▶ bebophaircut, replying to steve_w, 7, #574 of 931 🔗

Don’t ask, take.

323771 ▶▶ Steve Martindale, replying to steve_w, 3, #575 of 931 🔗

When I looked at the ONS figures, it seems to me that 90% of the people reportedly dying of/with Covid were in receipt of the state old age pension. When a disease has such a distinctively specified target group it is hard to see how it is appropriate to impose restrictions on the whole of society.

323641 steve_w, 22, #576 of 931 🔗

The entire of Buckinghamshire has 6 patients on ventilators.

https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/details/healthcare?areaType=nhstrust&areaName=Buckinghamshire%20Healthcare%20NHS%20Trust

I could look after them myself. This is ‘overwhelmed’?

323643 Mr Taxpayer, replying to Mr Taxpayer, 17, #577 of 931 🔗

I have delivered 1000 leaflets for Back To Normal around my Tier 2 locale. I have read the Tier 4 legislation and it would appear that ‘delivering leaflets’ is not a reasonable excuse or exception to leave home.
Persons may with to rely on Article 10 Clause 1 of the Human Rights Act… This right shall include freedom to hold opinions and to receive and impart information and ideas without interference by public authority and regardless of frontiers . Delivering a leaflet is imparting information.

323667 ▶▶ stevie, replying to Mr Taxpayer, 5, #578 of 931 🔗

It’s not stopped the estate agents near me from putting leaflets through the door and yes I am in Tier 4. I guess they are exempt as it is work.

323814 ▶▶ Cranmer, replying to Mr Taxpayer, 2, #579 of 931 🔗

Gov.uk states that people are allowed to meet (and thus leave their homes) for ‘work, or providing voluntary or charitable services.’ I would argue that delivering information leaflets on Covid is a voluntary service. Not sure if it would stand up in court but I think it would be worth a try.

323647 steve_w, replying to steve_w, 26, #580 of 931 🔗

Sweden’s negligible ‘second wave’.

Ferguson must be fuming.

323721 ▶▶ Cedric the dragon, replying to steve_w, 3, #581 of 931 🔗

Excellent!

323743 ▶▶ Old Bill, replying to steve_w, 6, #582 of 931 🔗

Jees! Is that pre Christmas dip for real or did the person drawing the graph suddenly die from coronavirus?

323807 ▶▶▶ Cranmer, replying to Old Bill, 1, #583 of 931 🔗

Either that or a poisoned umbrella was used on him just before he finished it.

323957 ▶▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to Old Bill, #584 of 931 🔗

No, they’ve just got the axis running to the end of the year and the data point there is zero (for now)

323653 leggy, replying to leggy, 41, #585 of 931 🔗

I’m just back having repeated the same 150 mile round trip journey that I also happened to make during lockdown 1 in April. Purpose the same, to collect number 1 daughter.

In April, the journey was like something from 28 Days Later with nothing on the roads bar the odd truck. Despite now being entirely through fear tier 4, there were thousands upon thousands of vehicles on the road. Retail parks were packed with cars, as were car parks for the beauty spots and golf clubs I passed. Does rather seem like the wheels are coming off Boris’ lockdown bus to me. The momentum is with us despite the media fear porn.

323676 ▶▶ liztr835, replying to leggy, 18, #586 of 931 🔗

I was out and about today, plenty of people around, no police, huge queue outside the big Smyths toys. Also drove in and out of Tier 2 to Tier 4 over christmas, no issues at all.

323850 ▶▶▶ Bill H, replying to liztr835, 4, #587 of 931 🔗

Except the pubs and restaurants remain shut 🙁

And bleeding cash.

323870 ▶▶▶▶ Annie, replying to Bill H, 5, #588 of 931 🔗

Time they stopped being servile dickheads and asserted themselves.
Every pub and restaurant reopens.
Gestapo overwhelmed. Ban ends.
Either they do that that or they go under. Their choice.

323982 ▶▶▶▶▶ leggy, replying to Annie, 2, #589 of 931 🔗

That is what it will take. Every time the police leave, open again. Never pay a fine, clog up the court system.

323750 ▶▶ Bugle, replying to leggy, 2, #590 of 931 🔗

SAGE will have to come up with a novel more virulent variant, pronto!

323888 ▶▶▶ crimsonpirate, replying to Bugle, #591 of 931 🔗

isn’t there a new one from Nigeria?

323761 ▶▶ A. Contrarian, replying to leggy, 8, #592 of 931 🔗

I did the same today, 130 mile journey from Tier 4 to Tier 2. Plenty of other road users, much quieter than pre-covid but then there’s nowhere much left to go any more and we are in that dead period between Xmas and New Year. Zero police cars for the entire two hours. Basically, you can do what you want it seems.

Blair is worried about this as we know – not enough compliance. If only we were as obedient as the Chinese…

323811 ▶▶▶ dommo, replying to A. Contrarian, 4, #593 of 931 🔗

as i’ve said before, if blair thinks it’s wrong, you know it’s right!

323858 ▶▶▶ jonathan Palmer, replying to A. Contrarian, #594 of 931 🔗

Could be a great thing if they give him airtime to pontificate on lockdowns.The most discredited politician up to now.Im not including any of the current Parliament in that assessment.

323803 ▶▶ Cranmer, replying to leggy, 6, #595 of 931 🔗

I have been in and out of tiers, lockdowns etc since day 1 in my car and have seen no more police than usual (ie, hardly any) and no roadblocks or anything like that. Even if I am stopped I will simply say I am visiting a support bubble. I don’t see how the police can realistically stop people because there are so many legitimate exemptions to the restrictions.

323806 ▶▶▶ dommo, replying to Cranmer, #596 of 931 🔗

exactly!

323849 ▶▶ TC, replying to leggy, 1, #597 of 931 🔗

I hope and pray you are right but suspect more people will not comply with restrictions as they see they can do so and are not subject to enforcement action.
Would the msm ever recognise a turning point and give it the air of even non-committal publicity?
The distrust I now have of the media is huge.

323654 NickR, replying to NickR, 7, #598 of 931 🔗

Does anyone know why excess deaths in Wales are no longer being reported on https://www.euromomo.eu/graphs-and-maps# , of course it may be because, last time I looked they were significantly below the significantly low level of deaths.

323655 ▶▶ steve_w, replying to NickR, 15, #599 of 931 🔗

I assume everyone there has already died

323660 ▶▶▶ Annie, replying to steve_w, 14, #600 of 931 🔗

Sadlidied? Not bloody likely.
There’s me, for a start. I’m still happilialive and intend to stay that way.

323678 ▶▶▶ George Mc, replying to steve_w, 4, #601 of 931 🔗

Well going by the regular strategy, the perfectly verifiable scientific claim will be that twice as many people died in Wales as actually live there. And that was just today.

323716 ▶▶▶ Cedric the dragon, replying to steve_w, 1, #602 of 931 🔗

We’re still alive too but have escaped the Welsh gulag to Madeira! Not sure when (if) we’ll be allowed back.

323656 ▶▶ Annie, replying to NickR, #603 of 931 🔗

That’s why! Do keep up…

323664 ▶▶▶ steve_w, replying to Annie, 3, #604 of 931 🔗

looks like no pandemic just a return to normal seasonality

323662 ▶▶ stevie, replying to NickR, 1, #605 of 931 🔗

How strange. Wales no longer in list of countries.

323685 ▶▶ l835, replying to NickR, 2, #606 of 931 🔗

No longer reported as the dictatorship no-longer needs to justify its actions.

323733 ▶▶ bebophaircut, replying to NickR, #607 of 931 🔗

Don’t believe anything that they tell you.

323953 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to NickR, #608 of 931 🔗
323657 John P, replying to John P, -26, #609 of 931 🔗

I thought now that I am in a better frame of mind I might add a little to my comments on Christmas Day regarding the new login mandate. (Don’t worry, I’m not staying.)

Typically my right to free speech was met with derision and contempt. (Such decent, tolerant people the Brits. I digress.)

Masks and the white sheep:
Masks were mandated for wearing in shops in July.

white sheep:

“wear a mask!”
“what’s your problem, it’s no real inconvenience”
“it’s for your safety!”
“if our betters think it’s a good idea then I won’t question it”
“wear a mask you fool, don’t be a covidiot!”
“what a muppet – he won’t wear a mask”

black sheep:

“login to comment”
“what’s your problem, it’s no real inconvenience”
“it’s for your safety!”
“if our betters think it’s a good idea then I won’t question it”
“login to comment you fool, don’t be a logidiot!”
“what a muppet he won’t login to comment”

Those of you with more than mutton brains between your ears (I think there may be a handful) may now begin to understand my anger at the imposition.

Masking-up and logging-in have some very strong parallels.

In both cases a smug lover of bureaucracy has deemed it a good idea and has put it to the-powers-that-be. In both cases the powers-that-be deemed that it might be good for safety (I think they’re both pointless) and will vocally defend their undemocratic imposition.

And in both cases the regular white sheep and the “black” sheep that come here have given way to something imposed upon them without so much as a bleat.

(And those who oppose the imposition will be derided and sneered at for their pettiness.)

There are people who come here who consider themselves rebels. but in my opinion the majority of you are dull conformists at heart.

You may be able to vocally assert that – because of your dark fleeces – that “I am black!” but in my view it’s just black ink.

You’re fakes.

323663 ▶▶ Annie, replying to John P, 13, #610 of 931 🔗

Baah.
Bleat.
Lamb chops.
Go away.

323669 ▶▶ Paul, replying to John P, 6, #611 of 931 🔗

Oh dear,keep taking the tablets.

323675 ▶▶ George Mc, replying to John P, 15, #612 of 931 🔗

Here’s a radical thought, John. Maybe it isn’t about you.

323677 ▶▶ PatrickF, replying to John P, 15, #613 of 931 🔗

Hi John P, I don’t wear a mask because they’re bad for my physical and mental health.

323680 ▶▶ RickH, replying to John P, 24, #614 of 931 🔗

You’ve obviously wound yourself up to an absurd extent, John. Get back some perspective – there’s enough real enemies around without confecting a new army of them.

“Masking-up and logging-in have some very strong parallels.”

Put simply – no they haven’t. One is an blanket imposition with severe social and psychological consequences, based on mythology. The other, at worst, is an irritating inconvenience that perhaps exaggerates a real problem.

You’re boxing with shadows.

323684 ▶▶ Jez Hewitt, replying to John P, 11, #615 of 931 🔗

What the fuck are you going on about? If logging in again has made you wet the bed it’s probably best you do one. You’re clearly a flake and not cut out for this.

323687 ▶▶ Edmund Mortimer, replying to John P, 19, #616 of 931 🔗

We would like to be your friends but it’s getting harder. Try not to insult random strangers and you might enjoy your own life more.

323688 ▶▶ tjvs, replying to John P, 4, #617 of 931 🔗

Nobody makes you come here

323690 ▶▶ godowneasy, replying to John P, 11, #618 of 931 🔗

At the risk of making myself unpopular here, I’m glad you’re back – no really I am. But you seem to revel in insulting everyone else. This seems very self destructive to me. Maybe you get off on being abused in response? Maybe you are laughing at us all? You make some good points (though this isn’t one of them) but you ruin your argument most of the time with your attitude to others. Try a different approach perhaps. All the best.

323691 ▶▶ Cecil B, replying to John P, 9, #619 of 931 🔗

Is everything OK at home?

323698 ▶▶ Liz F, replying to John P, 12, #620 of 931 🔗

Hi John, I can see the point you’re trying to make but it seems a bit harsh. For many, this website provides a welcome space to share and try to understand what the hell is going on around us at the moment. I’ll admit that normally I would probably be classed as “conformist” and don’t consider myself to be a “rebel” but I don’t think that necessarily makes me dull (some may disagree). If we need to log in to comment on this website to stop arsehole trolls from stirring up trouble then that makes sense. I believe many websites require you to log in if you want to comment. You do have friends here so try not to turn people against you.

323727 ▶▶▶ bebophaircut, replying to Liz F, 1, #621 of 931 🔗

I can’t listen to Spiked any longer because I refuse to sign in to Audioboom.

323699 ▶▶ PompeyJunglist, replying to John P, #622 of 931 🔗

This is tragic.

323701 ▶▶ DanClarke, replying to John P, 2, #623 of 931 🔗

Have you tried not logging out?

323730 ▶▶ Suzyv, replying to John P, 3, #624 of 931 🔗

What on earth are you talking about?

323757 ▶▶ Steve Martindale, replying to John P, 4, #625 of 931 🔗

I do not necessarily agree with everything and everyone here but to my mind the important thing is that what unites us is far far bigger and more important than any differences we may have.
The outrageous and iniquitous lockdowns and restrictions, the silly mask wearing, the appalling misuse of the law to impose police state controls on healthy people supposedly for our own good, the crazy testing and tracing scheme, if we are going to oppose these then I feel we need to put aside any minor differences and combine all the great skills and various viewpoints that are represented here, to borrow an old Trade Union chant.’The sceptics united will never be defeated’.

323758 ▶▶ Ian Rons, replying to John P, 34, #626 of 931 🔗

Hi John,

I’m one of the people to whom you have been directing your ad homs since Christmas Day, as I suggested requiring a user account for commenters as a remedy to some trollish behaviour that we were seeing, although the decision was ultimately Toby’s, made with a lot of input from the great team of moderators who help out here. I think we’re all in agreement that it was the right decision.

As I said on Christmas Day in response to some pretty unpleasant stuff from you, I simply don’t understand the hostility – in fact it seems unhinged. The idea that making people log in to comment here is equivalent to a government mask-wearing diktat is just absurd. If you set up a website, would I have some sort of freedom-of-speech right to post comments there? Obviously not.

Clearly, given that you felt the need (as you said previously) to call the Samaritans because of what seemed like fairly mild criticism of you by one commenter the other day, and given your responses to being asked to log in before commenting – in particular the fact that you’ve obviously been stewing about this for a couple of days – I’m quite concerned about your mental wellbeing and I seriously think you need time away from this site (or at least the comments section) to calm down and take stock.

We’ve all had a very tough year – none of us have gotten out and had enough human contact with friends and family, and we’ve had to endure all manner of craziness without much chance of having our voices heard; but don’t make it worse by causing needless problems with people who are (broadly speaking) on your side. And there’s obviously been some goodwill from other commenters both today and on the previous couple of days, so don’t blow what reputation you have here by having a public meltdown. Come back in a couple of months when you’ve got all this out of your system.

Get well, and best wishes,

Ian

323844 ▶▶▶ Bill H, replying to Ian Rons, 2, #627 of 931 🔗

Ian,

Thanks for all your good work.

Cheers

323867 ▶▶▶▶ Annie, replying to Bill H, 2, #628 of 931 🔗

Seconded.

323881 ▶▶▶ godowneasy, replying to Ian Rons, 2, #629 of 931 🔗

This is a really well considered post which does you, and this site, a great credit. Thank you. I really hope that John is ok.

323792 ▶▶ jb12, replying to John P, #630 of 931 🔗

Sergeant John reporting in after Christmas leave.

323994 ▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to John P, 3, #631 of 931 🔗

John, the login requirement was to stop trolls like MutzNutz from filling the threads with puerile bollox.
A boss of mine once said I was like sandpaper to a match. I’m afraid you often have the same effect.
I hear the frustration in your posts but taking it out on people who have tried to be your friends will not improve anything.
This is admittedly a talking shop, not an action group. It’s also a very important supportive community where we can at least ridicule the anomalies and encourage our practical subversive efforts.
Maybe try to link up with some local anti-lockdown groups. To do some leafleting or something practical would be less frustrating.

324045 ▶▶ Binra, replying to John P, 1, #632 of 931 🔗

hello toby young – you cant fool me!
😉

323668 NickR, replying to NickR, 16, #633 of 931 🔗

Meanwhile, in Scotland, good to know that Nicola is taking good care of her adherents. A new lockdown in the face of rising , ooops no, falling hospital admissions.

323893 ▶▶ stewart, replying to NickR, 1, #634 of 931 🔗

If “cases”, deaths or hospital admissions rise we get lockdown to bring them down.
If they fall we get lockdown because lockdown is doing the trick.

You either buy into the madness, or your your soul slowly gets crushed by the relentless evil being perpetrated.

323670 liztr835, replying to liztr835, 23, #635 of 931 🔗

Worth watching the following video, espcially if your business has been wrecked by covid
https://pcrclaims.co.uk/videos

I am certainly going to be documenting everything and the many thousands of pounds I have lost, and now in tier 4 and closed down again, this will be the 6th month in a year that I have not been able to earn a living.

323804 ▶▶ dommo, replying to liztr835, 4, #636 of 931 🔗

pcrclaims are really talking the talk – i’ve got a lot of hope for them in 2021…

323672 RickH, replying to RickH, 15, #637 of 931 🔗

I’ve just been re-reading the report :

The handling of the H1N1 pandemic : more transparency needed

… prepared in 2010 by Paul Flynn for the Social & Family Affairs Committee of the Council of Europe.

It really is worth taking a detailed look at this; you could slightly amend the wording to refer to Covid in 2020, and the criticisms and reservations fit perfectly with the present debacle. What we are seeing is a long-term policy of strategic graft and corruption that they didn’t pull off for H1N1 before being caught out. The detail is all there – almost a blueprint.

323679 mjr, replying to mjr, 25, #639 of 931 🔗

just watching the 30 years of Have i got news for you. including much stuff from the old days when they were still satirical .
One quote from today from Hislop about the early days stands out . “someone asked how were we able to be so rude about the government and i explained to them “this is the point of being in Britain … this is one of the freedoms we have”

I think he meant Had not have . we dont have freedoms anymore .. Clearly filmed before lockdown.

323801 ▶▶ dommo, replying to mjr, 3, #640 of 931 🔗

well to be fair we can still be rude about them – (“Boris Johnson is a Fucking Cunt” etc). What we seem to be lacking is the ability to stop them doing everything wrong all the time…

323805 ▶▶▶ Julian, replying to dommo, 1, #641 of 931 🔗

Only song in the top 40 on the official chart website that doesn’t have a link next to it to buy or listen

323841 ▶▶▶▶ dommo, replying to Julian, 2, #642 of 931 🔗

fucking cunts!

323686 NickR, 18, #643 of 931 🔗

NHS bed occupancy having been well below 2019 levels across the NHS has finally caught up. However, critical bed occupancy still significantly lower than the 5 year average in every region.

323692 Sarigan (Day 280 of lockdown), replying to Sarigan (Day 280 of lockdown), 41, #644 of 931 🔗

Tonight I write to you with fear in my heart. We just received a yellow snow warning for my locality. We could receive up to 1cm of snow which may last more than an hour. This will cause untold mayhem and chaos despite all the precautions and measures in place for such a deadly weather predicament.

and remember ,,, you dont eat yellow snow !!!

323696 ▶▶▶ Sarigan (Day 280 of lockdown), replying to mjr, 14, #646 of 931 🔗

Thank you for the reminder. I have just been out prepping and have enough toilet roll and tinned food to see us through until late tomorrow afternoon. I will sleep easier now.

323705 ▶▶▶▶ CGL, replying to Sarigan (Day 280 of lockdown), 8, #647 of 931 🔗

Don’t go outside, or you may be some time

323697 ▶▶ Old Bill, replying to Sarigan (Day 280 of lockdown), 9, #648 of 931 🔗

OMG! How I feel for you in your hour of catastrophe.
I hope you have made peace with your maker.

323702 ▶▶ Liewe, replying to Sarigan (Day 280 of lockdown), 11, #649 of 931 🔗

OMG, a cm of snow is a cm to much! Do you think SAGE will recommend that clouds must stop snowing? If all the snowflakes would just socially distance the situation could be turned around and many lives could be saved!

323704 ▶▶▶ Sarigan (Day 280 of lockdown), replying to Liewe, 18, #650 of 931 🔗

I am placing my faith in the science and SAGE. They will tell us the right thing to do and at least I can be sure of that. For now I am just looking out of the window every 30 seconds because that snow could be everywhere and get us at any time. Can’t believe I just saw the neighbours leaving in their car – idiots.

323719 ▶▶▶▶ bebophaircut, replying to Sarigan (Day 280 of lockdown), 1, #651 of 931 🔗

Governance not government.

323715 ▶▶ bebophaircut, replying to Sarigan (Day 280 of lockdown), 5, #652 of 931 🔗

I have lived 52 years in Canada and the only yellow snow I have seen was produced by urinating dogs. Maybe your snow passes by Sirius on its way down to Earth.

323976 ▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to bebophaircut, 1, #653 of 931 🔗

Only by dogs?
It’s clearly much warmer here, even in a snowy winter!

323717 ▶▶ Nobody2020, replying to Sarigan (Day 280 of lockdown), 3, #654 of 931 🔗

When I was growing up such events would be reported as heavy snow and people would know what to do. There were no warnings that you could die if you dared to venture outside.

323718 ▶▶ Cecil B, replying to Sarigan (Day 280 of lockdown), 3, #655 of 931 🔗

Deadly killer snow that will spread to the rest of the country

323723 ▶▶▶ Cecil B, replying to Cecil B, 24, #656 of 931 🔗

If it’s asymptomatic snow you won’t be able to see it, it won’t even be cold

You will only know it’s fallen if you test for it

Stay in anyway. Stay safe

323731 ▶▶▶▶ Sarigan (Day 280 of lockdown), replying to Cecil B, 16, #657 of 931 🔗

I heard asymptomatic snow was the most dangerous. You don’t know you have it and can slip and kill yourself if you are foolish enough to step outside. Will a mask help?

323775 ▶▶▶▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to Sarigan (Day 280 of lockdown), 4, #658 of 931 🔗

Padding might help. Perhaps a helmet.

323724 ▶▶ Silke David, replying to Sarigan (Day 280 of lockdown), 2, #659 of 931 🔗

Remember, the government say 6 feet equals 2metres, so 1 cm is?

323783 ▶▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to Silke David, #660 of 931 🔗

25/64″ or 0.394″ if you like these things in decimals. So let’s call it half an inch. Ish.

323864 ▶▶▶ Annie, replying to Silke David, 7, #661 of 931 🔗

Snowcial distancing

It does look like we are going to get a couple of weeks of proper cold weather though to which I am very much looking forward.

No two snowflake the same, it’s mutating!

323774 ▶▶ HelzBelz, replying to Sarigan (Day 280 of lockdown), 4, #664 of 931 🔗

Unprecedented..?

set fire to your garden . that should melt the snow . and i think that follows the sage approach to such events

323817 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to Sarigan (Day 280 of lockdown), 5, #666 of 931 🔗

Close all weather. We need to have nothing but bland run of the mill weather for 6 weeks.

323707 bebophaircut, #667 of 931 🔗

Hugh Masekela – If There’s Anybody Out There – 1969
Hugh knew what was going down a long time ago

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6dPCMfg4jaE

323740 PhilipF, replying to PhilipF, 11, #668 of 931 🔗

“Can you have sex in the four tier system? The government rules if you live apart
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/women/sex/sex-tier-3-2-1-rules-law-covid-dating-allowed/

Unbelievable… Well, it used to be. Another aspect of “1984” becomes reality: Sex Crime.

323752 ▶▶ Jo, replying to PhilipF, 3, #669 of 931 🔗

Well I guess if you can’t see anyone, sex is out of the question. Unless you do Zoom sex. I don’t want to think about that, or all the spies watching….

323861 ▶▶▶ Annie, replying to Jo, 3, #670 of 931 🔗

Apparently there’s a answer to that:
“In August, the Terrence Higgins Trust published advice suggesting people avoid kissing, wear a face covering and choose positions that aren’t face-to-face during sex. The organisation maintains that the safest form of sex is with yourself.

323780 ▶▶ mjr, replying to PhilipF, 7, #671 of 931 🔗

only if you pay for it .. Then it becomes a business meeting which of course is allowed

323781 ▶▶ Silke David, replying to PhilipF, 4, #672 of 931 🔗

Kind of annoys me more that this is in the Women’s section.

323796 ▶▶ dommo, replying to PhilipF, 4, #673 of 931 🔗

for (quite literally) fuck’s sake!!!

323969 ▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to PhilipF, 2, #674 of 931 🔗

Who says sex only happens on a sleepover?
You’re allowed to have tradesmen, so why can’t your partner visit you for essential services?

323759 ▶▶ wayno, replying to Tom Blackburn, 2, #676 of 931 🔗

Can’t bare to watch the tool. Is it less or more?

323762 ▶▶▶ Tom Blackburn, replying to wayno, 3, #677 of 931 🔗

I don’t know. Was hoping someone else was going to watch it and tell me.

323768 ▶▶▶▶ wayno, replying to Tom Blackburn, 2, #678 of 931 🔗

😀

323789 ▶▶▶▶▶ Tom Blackburn, replying to wayno, 5, #679 of 931 🔗

Guess we’ll never know 😃

323966 ▶▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Tom Blackburn, #680 of 931 🔗

Oh dear! 😀

323802 ▶▶ Julian, replying to Tom Blackburn, 6, #681 of 931 🔗

If this is what someone posted about the other day, he’s basically saying that his initial utterance on what would be a good percentage of the population having the vaccine to aim for was something of a punt, and given that there wasn’t much pushback he’s now upped it. As long as we’re following the science…

It’s a bit like what Ferguson said about the lockdowns

323816 ▶▶▶ Alice, replying to Julian, 10, #682 of 931 🔗

I was disgusted beyond words with Ferguson’s admission, and I wonder if other people are equally disgusted – and angry. Maybe Ferguson should consider having a personal bodyguard from now on…

323859 ▶▶▶▶ Annie, replying to Alice, 7, #683 of 931 🔗

Nothing could make me more disgusted with the nasty little bastard. It’s like absolute zero.

323875 ▶▶▶▶▶ Alice, replying to Annie, 3, #684 of 931 🔗

I wonder if he knows how much he’s hated. I’d like him to know, but it could be a dangerous thing to do…

323865 ▶▶▶▶ stewart, replying to Alice, 5, #685 of 931 🔗

I hope he suffers a solitary, long, agonising, spirit crushing, (natural) death.

323967 ▶▶▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to stewart, #686 of 931 🔗

Extra long covid?

323899 ▶▶▶▶ Tom in Scotland, replying to Alice, 9, #687 of 931 🔗

I posted this below, in response to what Poppy said about Ferguson’s comments in the Times:

I was actually shocked by how candid Ferguson was about this – and I didn’t think anything else in this sorry Rona episode could shock me! It’s so chilling I am going to use the quote in the book I’m trying to finish (about democracy).
While much of what we see is discouraging, I think the reason why the forces of darkness are doubling down now is that they are desperately trying to milk what remaining fear there is out of a declining virus. As we go into spring, respiratory viruses fade out, and in the UK, the restrictions come up for renewal, so we must resist this authoritarianism even more so that the false narrative falls apart publicly.

We must also remember all those who participated in this crime against humanity and those who thought emulating China was a good thing. I really want to see professional humiliation for academic people who have said things like this (there is someone based at Oxford who has done this and she’s also going into my book). It’s beyond disgraceful. It’s evil.

323746 NickR, 4, #688 of 931 🔗

Latest NHS tests conducted & positive results. Positive results less fast than tests conducted.

323749 dhpaul, replying to dhpaul, 13, #689 of 931 🔗

Lots of talk in MOS etc about the vaccine rollout meaning that by easter the restrictions, masks, SD etc will disappear. I’ll believe it when I see it. But lets just go along with this a little. The virus won’t have disappeared, it will still pose a level of threat, albeit low. So we might then see things like screens in shops removed, again I won’t hold my breath. But what really interests me is how the NHS will react to this. Will I be able to walk into my local GP surgery again? Will I be able to get my NHS dentist to give me a check up? Or will he still have to disinfect between patients as now, which as an aside surely means that the precautions he took when looking at my teeth pre-covid must have been woefully inadequate.

323755 ▶▶ Charlie Blue, replying to dhpaul, 7, #690 of 931 🔗

I don’t believe it either. Even if they decide to claim victory over this virus they will then claim that all the measures have stopped flu and therefore must be continued forever.

323860 ▶▶▶ stewart, replying to Charlie Blue, 1, #691 of 931 🔗
323963 ▶▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to stewart, 2, #692 of 931 🔗

The article is chockfull of mights and possiblies. This sums up the whole situation:

And since the vaccines don’t work perfectly, and it’s not known yet to what extent they prevent infection, it’s possible that a vaccinated person might get the virus and be able to pass it on to others.

323760 ▶▶ Tom Blackburn, replying to dhpaul, 19, #693 of 931 🔗

A big part of the problem – as I see it – is NHS staff members (some innocently, others less so) loving the Kudos. Going home calling their middle/older aged parents that they’ve been heroes all day – makes Mum and Dad proud and allays some of their anxieties. Proud parents then spread the stories with a little more embellishment for good measure but relayed as gospel.

323798 ▶▶ Julian, replying to dhpaul, 7, #694 of 931 🔗

I think the after effects of this will last for decades

323863 ▶▶▶ stewart, replying to Julian, 4, #695 of 931 🔗

There is A LOT of cognitive dissonance in the general population to overcome.

323866 ▶▶▶▶ Cranmer, replying to stewart, 11, #696 of 931 🔗

I have been saying in any conversations about the lockdowns that there is now no reason why they cannot be with us indefinitely, because they are now based on the numbers of people who might become ill (positive test results) rather than the numbers of people who actually are ill (hospitalisations/deaths). There is usually an awkward silence from those who hear this.

323964 ▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Julian, 1, #697 of 931 🔗

The social, financial and psychological effects certainly will.

323751 Jo, replying to Jo, 34, #698 of 931 🔗

Let’s move to Mexico!

MEXICO CITY (AP) — Mexican President Andrés Manuel López Obrador suggested Wednesday that politicians who impose lockdowns or curfews to limit COVID-19 are acting like dictators.
The comments came as López Obrador once again fended off questions about why he almost never wears a face mask, saying it was a question of liberty.
The Mexican leader said pandemic measures that limit people’s movements are “fashionable among authorities … who want to show they are heavy handed, dictatorship.”
“A lot of them are letting their authoritarian instincts show,” he said, adding “the fundamental thing is to guarantee liberty.”

It was unclear if the Mexican leader was referring to authorities in other countries, or the mainly opposition-party local leaders who have tried to impose limits in Mexico.
Many governments across the world have effectively implemented lockdowns or limits on when people can leave their homes, something López Obrador has fiercely resisted doing, arguing some people live day-to-day on what they earn on the streets.
Some local governments in Mexico have tried to use police to enforce limits on masks or movement, which resulted in scandals of abusive behavior by police. López Obrador argues such measures should be voluntary.
“Everyone is free. Whoever wants to wear a face mask and feel safer is welcome to do so,” López Obrador said.

Also, important case Bosnia_Herzogovina – masks and curfews deemed unconstitutional by the Court.

323764 ▶▶ Old Bill, replying to Jo, 11, #699 of 931 🔗

Wow, that is interesting, and I think I’ve got an old Sombrero somewhere.

Maybe after January the Mexicans will have to start building the wall to stop the American wetbacks from flooding the country.

323960 ▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Old Bill, 1, #700 of 931 🔗

Careful with that sombrero. dePiffle will want to flatten it.

324023 ▶▶▶ Bugle, replying to Old Bill, #701 of 931 🔗

Made me laugh.

323839 ▶▶ jonathan Palmer, replying to Jo, 10, #702 of 931 🔗

Mexico lockdowned over the Swine flu panic.It caused so much economic damage they are in no rush to do it again

323769 Cheezilla, replying to Cheezilla, 5, #703 of 931 🔗

The most common symptoms of COVID-19 are recent onset of a new continuous cough or a high temperature or a loss of, or change in, normal sense of taste or smell (anosmia).
https://www.gov.uk/government/collections/coronavirus-covid-19-list-of-guidance

Same on NHS guidance. https://www.nhs.uk/conditions/coronavirus-covid-19/symptoms/coronavirus-in-children/

No mention of sniffles and runny noses anywhere!!!!!!!!!

323782 ▶▶ leggy, replying to Cheezilla, 4, #704 of 931 🔗

Which also makes me wonder the purpose is swabbing the nasal cavity.

323856 ▶▶▶ stewart, replying to leggy, 21, #705 of 931 🔗

Volunteering for a PCR test is an act of supreme stupidity.
Best case you are exactly where you started. Worst case, you test positive and they put you, your family and your close contacts all under house arrest.
You don’t get any extra medical help, just house arrest.

You have to be truly, truly stupid to volunteer for a PCR test.

323908 ▶▶▶▶ Freddy Boy, replying to stewart, 4, #706 of 931 🔗

Very true ! As Mike Yeadon said “ stop PCR testing & the Pandemic Ends !!…

323958 ▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to leggy, #707 of 931 🔗

Do you mean why nearly poke someone’s brains out?

323785 ▶▶ Silke David, replying to Cheezilla, 2, #708 of 931 🔗

Germany in November discouraged people with sniffles to have a test, partly as they were short of tests.

Considering they, like most countries, have carried out very high amounts of tests since then, I believe people still get them with a runny nose.

323812 ▶▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to Silke David, 3, #709 of 931 🔗

People, misinformed as they are, will get a test to ensure they don’t have to admit the shame of having Covid, or a positive test for SARS-CoV-2 to be exact. Such is the social stigma attached to this year’s flu and anxiety that has been induced in these people. The worry would really be that even despite having the highest level of virtue, they still got caught by the PCR.

323787 dommo, replying to dommo, 14, #710 of 931 🔗

your nominations please for “word of the year” 2020:-

to my mind there can only be one winner – “SHITSHOW”, but no doubt you’ll have your favourites….

323797 ▶▶ Laura Suckling, replying to dommo, 3, #711 of 931 🔗

Fuckery
Tyranny
Sub humanism

323800 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to dommo, 8, #712 of 931 🔗

PCR. Was never in the general lexicon before now. It’ll forever represent the destruction of any faith we had in the state to protect us from shared risks. Instead, everything is regarded as an opportunity to tigthen the noose and enrich the few.

323820 ▶▶▶ Charlie Blue, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 9, #713 of 931 🔗

Yes. I guess without PCR it would never have been possible to introduce the belief that every pleb is individually responsible for the health status of every other pleb- the only risk the state now needs to protect us from is each other. Unfortunately many people buy this and I find it difficult to see how societies will ever recover.

323830 ▶▶ leggy, replying to dommo, 16, #714 of 931 🔗

“Asymptomatic”

AKA – Healthy.

323853 ▶▶ Annie, replying to dommo, 13, #715 of 931 🔗

sadlidie

323878 ▶▶ Tenchy, replying to dommo, 5, #716 of 931 🔗

“Case”, as in Wancock is fucking head case.

323880 ▶▶ PompeyJunglist, replying to dommo, 3, #717 of 931 🔗

Suicide. Suicide of the West and the suicides of citizens as a result of this policy.

323929 ▶▶ straightalkingyorkshireman, replying to dommo, 3, #718 of 931 🔗

I must admit I like scamdemic.

323955 ▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to dommo, 1, #719 of 931 🔗

Unprecedented.

323983 ▶▶ Major Panic, replying to dommo, #720 of 931 🔗

Fear

323788 DomTaylor, replying to DomTaylor, 16, #721 of 931 🔗

It was interesting to read Neil Ferguson’s confession that he was inspired by China in prompting lockdowns. Whilst the Chinese Communist Party (CCP) may be more effective at manipulating their published figures than most, evidence captured by NTD TV ( https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCBOqkAGTtzZVmKvY4SwdZ2g ) indicates that lockdowns have been just as ineffective at controlling the spread of COVID-19 in China as they have elsewhere.
The issue of CCP influence in UK academia and the health service does seem to be at the heart of recent fanaticism for authoritarian control within these sectors. Sadly Professor Lockdown is not alone in his admiration for the CCP. Most of the university’s from which the most vociferous lockdown proponents hail proudly boast of their links with authoritarian China:

Presumably, in accepting lucrative Chinese students and research grants, academics and health officials are content to turn a blind eye to forced-organ harvesting, enslavement of the Uighurs, annexing of Tibet, oppression of democracy in Hong Kong, intellectual property theft, suppression of academic freedoms, mass surveillance, militarisation of the South China Sea, the ‘Great Leap Forward’ and Tiananmen Square.
And of course, if you have not already read it, I would highly recommend Hidden Hand by Clive Hamilton.

323824 ▶▶ stewart, replying to DomTaylor, 18, #722 of 931 🔗

It is astonishing that in spite of the CCPs litany of atrocities – Great Leap Forward, Cultural Revolution, one child policy, cultural and ethnic cleansing in Tibet and Xinjiang – it is now held as a model of governance.

It shows that the postmodernists may just have been right all along. “Truth” is just a function of power. It has little to do with reality.

We are seeing the transformation of truth taking place in a flash before our very eyes.

Covid is deadly, masks prevent spread of infection, PCR tests detect infection, a vaccine produced in 6 months is safe.

Truth is just whatever those in power tell us it is.

323835 ▶▶▶ jb12, replying to stewart, 6, #723 of 931 🔗

For people with no interest in truth in its essential form, yes, but truth is important and should always be sought. Postmodernists be damned.

323852 ▶▶▶▶ Annie, replying to jb12, 5, #724 of 931 🔗

Hear, hear.
Postmodernism is just a recent manifestation of what has always been rife in the acaademic world: the empty posturing of dead souls.

323873 ▶▶▶▶▶ stewart, replying to Annie, 1, #725 of 931 🔗

And yet… here we are watching the transformation of truth before our very eyes.

323954 ▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to stewart, 2, #726 of 931 🔗

There is “truth” and there is Truth. The latter cannot be corrupted, only hidden.
The Light is being shone on much “truth” right now. We are some of those whose purpose is to focus the Light.
Shine on you crazy diamonds!

323912 ▶▶ rockoman, replying to DomTaylor, 1, #727 of 931 🔗

I think you are giving western governments a free pass they don’t deserve.

They weren’t forced to take the steps they did by China

At the core of it all is the fact that the western dollar-based monetary sytem has reached its end point.

The Repo crisis beginning in September 2019 was the signal.

A great deal of history always domes down to the question of who is going to pay the bills.

323790 Tim Bidie, replying to Tim Bidie, 29, #728 of 931 🔗

That is two important judgements now in Europe

The first, regarding the inutility of the PCR test, in a country ruled by a fascist dictator up until as recently as 1974

https://translate.google.com/translate?hl=&sl=pt&tl=en&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.dgsi.pt%2Fjtrl.nsf%2F33182fc732316039802565fa00497eec%2F79d6ba338dcbe5e28025861f003e7b30

The second, regarding the illiberality of lockdown measures and mandatory masking, in a country whose war of independence only ended in 1995.

https://www.klix.ba/vijesti/bih/mjere-zabrane-kretanja-i-obaveznog-nosenja-maski-su-neustavne/201222110

How shameful that the self appointed ‘Mother of all Parliaments’ itself should have shown itself to be simply the mother of a bunch of gelatinous zooplankton

The best comment on the Bosnian judgement?

‘Imagine you sign a convention and then actually respect what you signed’

No chance of that in this country. The signs have been there for all to see::

1993 UK signs Chemical Weapons Convention
2013 UK parliament votes no action re Syrian breaches of Chemical Weapons Convention

1994 UK signed Budapest memorandum guaranteeing Ukraine borders.
2014 Crimea annexed

Should we ever gather the courage, as a nation, to look at ourselves in the mirror in the cold light of dawn, the sight on view, for all to see, will be far from pretty………

323840 ▶▶▶ Annie, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 5, #730 of 931 🔗

Evvviva!

323799 ▶▶ Charlie Blue, replying to Tim Bidie, 3, #731 of 931 🔗

Does anyone know if the judges in the portuguese case were/ are still to be disciplined?

323828 ▶▶▶ leggy, replying to Charlie Blue, 16, #732 of 931 🔗

No, they won’t be – was heard by the Portuguese SCM on 2nd December:

https://www.portugalresident.com/portuguese-judges-wont-be-disciplined-over-controversial-ruling-highlighting-doubts-over-covid-test-reliability/

It’s still utterly contemptible that “the science” attempted to have judges hauled over the coals.

323833 ▶▶▶▶ jrsm, replying to leggy, 13, #733 of 931 🔗

That is indeed amazing – I live in Portugal and had no idea they tried to do such a thing. That would definitely have been the end of democracy, if judges had been disciplined for doing their jobs. It probably was designed as a not-so-subtle threat to dissuade other judges from doing the same.

323821 ▶▶ Steve Martindale, replying to Tim Bidie, 42, #734 of 931 🔗

The total failure of the House of Lords and the Parliamentary Health Committee to challenge any of this virus nonsense clearly indicates that our system is flawed at the most basic level. 2020 the year my faith and belief in our Parliamentary system, the NHS, the BBC and the Police were totally blown away.

323843 ▶▶▶ Annie, replying to Steve Martindale, 15, #735 of 931 🔗

Mine too. Likewise the National Trust (trust!?), and of course the. Christian (now Covidian) Church.
So many feet of clay, by now we must be facing a clay shortage.

323851 ▶▶▶ iane, replying to Steve Martindale, 8, #736 of 931 🔗

Sadly mine had already dwindled to zero.

323831 ▶▶ stewart, replying to Tim Bidie, 29, #737 of 931 🔗

I’ve seen people on here talk about losing our hard fought freedoms.

The reality is that there is (practically) no one left in Britain who has ever. had to fight for freedom or democracy. It has all been handed to us on a plate. And the first moment it has been taken away we haven’t the first clue to do.

In Bosnia, on the other hand, most of the population have first hand experience of what it takes to fight for your freedom. So perhaps that is why their high courts understand that they need to stand up and defend them. Not like the high courts in Britain which have run scared.

323832 ▶▶ Stephanos, replying to Tim Bidie, 29, #738 of 931 🔗

I agree with this in toto. Please do not forget the complete dereliction of duty committed by the leaders of ALL the churches. I have been battering at this for months and I have given every clergyman and woman whom I meet a very hard time about all this.
Two points in particular:

  1. I have NEVER heard any clergyman fulminate against ‘snitching’ and spying on one’s neighbours. Never mind fulminations, not even one word!
  2. I have never heard any clergyman say a single word about the fact that our liberties have been stolen. And now we have these accursed QR codes outside our churches. Welby (and the Archbishop of York and I think the Bishops of Oxford and Durham) have seats in the house of Lords. Not a single peep from them.
323847 ▶▶▶ Annie, replying to Stephanos, 26, #739 of 931 🔗

Nor have I heard of any churchman publicly denouncing the hideous treatment of old people in ‘care’ homes, perhaps the foulest chapter in the whole disgusting story.

323855 ▶▶▶▶ Stephanos, replying to Annie, 5, #740 of 931 🔗

Thanks, Annie, I had forgotten that! There is SO much to complain of!!

323862 ▶▶▶ Cranmer, replying to Stephanos, 12, #741 of 931 🔗

I agree the mainstream churches have been complicit. However, there was a group of Anglican clergy who tried to prevent the closure of churches during Lockdown 1 citing a relevant passage in Magna Carta – IIRC the court threw it out saying that Magna Carta was no longer relevant. Also, there have been one or two independent churches which have defied the lockdowns, such as that one in London where a christening service was broken up by the police – a scene that cannot have been witnessed in this country since the Interregnum.

323869 ▶▶▶▶ Alice, replying to Cranmer, 7, #742 of 931 🔗

There are quite a few independent churches which have defied lockdown, but we don’t see most of it reported in mainstream media. For those who are interested, I recommend subscribing to e-mail updates from Christian Concern and Christian Institute.

323887 ▶▶▶▶▶ Cranmer, replying to Alice, 6, #743 of 931 🔗

Thank you for telling me about those sites. I read this news article on Christian Concern with interest. Not something we’ll see on the BBC any time soon, I expect:

After 122 church leaders from England and Wales launched legal action against the government over its decision to close churches during recent lockdowns, we are now expecting an oral hearing on 25 January 2021 in Cardiff, which will determine whether the case will proceed to judicial review.

324051 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Stephanos, replying to Cranmer, #744 of 931 🔗

Thanks, Cranmer, I will look up this.

323950 ▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Stephanos, 4, #745 of 931 🔗

Those QR codes need surreptitiously replacing with ones that lead to a covid-sceptic website!

323970 ▶▶▶ Marialta, replying to Stephanos, 3, #746 of 931 🔗

https://unherd.com/2020/12/why-i-wont-be-closing-my-church-this-christmas/

Giles Fraser writes in Unherd and is refusing to close his church in South London. Worth a read.

323793 DanClarke, replying to DanClarke, 75, #747 of 931 🔗

My goal is never to wear a mask, to never have a test, to never have the vaccine, it keeps me going, everyone needs a goal in life.

323845 ▶▶ iane, replying to DanClarke, 8, #748 of 931 🔗

The only problem being that you have to win every time, the scumbags only have to win once.

323947 ▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to iane, 6, #749 of 931 🔗

They still have to win, in order to win. We just have to make it very hard for them.

323928 ▶▶ Sam Vimes, replying to DanClarke, 8, #750 of 931 🔗

Dan, I’ll walk the last mile with you.

324080 ▶▶ Rowan, replying to DanClarke, 1, #751 of 931 🔗

Excellent approach to Covid-19 and it mirrors mine exactly.

323823 Nick Rose, replying to Nick Rose, 36, #752 of 931 🔗

Perhaps no surprise really:

https://twitter.com/robinmonotti/status/1343197648770232325

ITALY: Piedmont, 70% of nursing home staff REFUSE Pzifer vax “we are not guinea pigs” 

323842 ▶▶ iane, replying to Nick Rose, 14, #753 of 931 🔗

Glass of Barolo all round : saluti!

323944 ▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Nick Rose, 2, #754 of 931 🔗

Yay!!

323825 chaos, replying to chaos, 33, #755 of 931 🔗

36 Covid cases found among more than 15,000 swabs
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9090727/Lorries-queue-Dover-cross-Channel-Storm-Bella-delays-ferries.html#comments

When you want to lockdown a city you find thousands.. when you need to clear thousands of lorries you find virtually none.

323836 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to chaos, 18, #756 of 931 🔗

Great result for sceptics.

I live in a town with close to 175,000 population. On Christmas Eve we had a single ambulance in operation according to pandemic sister in law. Such is the level of the pandemic out there. Stay safe.

323879 ▶▶ crimsonpirate, replying to chaos, 4, #757 of 931 🔗

and the French authorities were happy to accept these negative tests to lift the block!

323940 ▶▶ DJ Dod, replying to chaos, 7, #758 of 931 🔗

Truckers are famed for their healthy lifestyle. They pioneered the ‘greasy spoon’ diet. It should be no surprise that their immune systems are Covid-resistant.

323834 Neil Arbel, replying to Neil Arbel, 38, #759 of 931 🔗

As a tale pointing towards the psychological impact of this handling of the pandemic, I would like briefly to recall what happened to me on Christmas Day. In the afternoon I saw a neighbour taking pictures of the registration number of my son’s car (he and and his family were visiting). On returning from a walk with my son’s family my neighbour emerged from his property brandishing a long plank of wood and pursued me down the street ranting violently. If I had not been able to outrun him I don’t know what would have happened (my Christmas could have been spent in ICU). When the police arrived they said that independent witnesses (or a filming of the event) were required to prosecute.
My family and I are very shaken but this is an extreme expression of the level of fear and distrust of others here in North Wales.

323876 ▶▶ Smelly Melly, replying to Neil Arbel, 20, #760 of 931 🔗

Your neighbour is another victim of the mental illness that politicians have caused.

323883 ▶▶ Cranmer, replying to Neil Arbel, 14, #761 of 931 🔗

Sorry to hear this. Are there any other neighbours you could contact who might have witnessed it? This person sounds deranged.

323889 ▶▶ Charlie Blue, replying to Neil Arbel, 13, #762 of 931 🔗

So sorry to hear this, but fear we will hear more of these stories (though not in mSM, of course). The vindictive and unstable, filled with self-righteousness and pseudo-religious fervour have been given the green light to victimise anyone seeking to hold on to their humanity.

323943 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to Neil Arbel, 10, #763 of 931 🔗

That’s unreal. What is wrong with people. Have the repressed something that 2020 has given them permission to now unleash.

I heard tonight a 70 year old woman was taken away by police on Boxing night having had a few visitors, 8pm curfew here in Northern Ireland and all. Neighbour had phoned the police. This is mad beyond belief. So much so, that I think the story has to be wrong.

323981 ▶▶ Fiona Walker, replying to Neil Arbel, 7, #764 of 931 🔗

Since Christmas Day the drives and roads on our estate are full of new, additional parked cars whilst other houses are in darkness with missing cars. Everything is quiet and peaceful. I wonder…

323837 common conservative, replying to common conservative, 6, #765 of 931 🔗

The narcissistic bastards are dancing again, dear friends:

https://youtu.be/YRm6k4X3lFg

Are these arseholes openly mocking the dead and, to a lesser (but significant) extent us, or what?

323987 ▶▶ Country Mumkin, replying to common conservative, #766 of 931 🔗

After seeing the queens alternative speech on Ch 4; I’m wondering if those tik tok dancing videos were legitimate.

323846 SimonCook, replying to SimonCook, 7, #767 of 931 🔗

Imperial to set up disease research centre with Saudi support
J-Idea’s director will be Neil Ferguson, one of the world’s most distinguished epidemiologists. He expects 250 to 300 people — doctors, statisticians and data scientists — to work at the institute. “For global health researchers, the explosive growth in data represents an unprecedented opportunity,” said Prof Ferguson. “J-Idea will cut through the noise, driving effective and affordable policy responses that will transform the health of communities around the world.”

https://www.ft.com/content/414bd008-ef3d-11e9-bfa4-b25f11f42901

There may not be anything at all in this (from October 2019), but wonder whether the timing is more than coincidental.

Best regards

Simon

323882 ▶▶ DanClarke, replying to SimonCook, 3, #768 of 931 🔗

Do they know how many times he’s got it wrong?

323936 ▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to SimonCook, 6, #769 of 931 🔗

Shouldn’t that read: ….Neil Ferguson, one of the world’s most notoriously hystrionic epidemiologists ?

323848 scepticScot, replying to scepticScot, 18, #770 of 931 🔗

I love Bob’s cartoons but feel sorry for 2020 – its reputation totally trashed by idiot politicians and grasping self-interest.

323854 ▶▶ iane, replying to scepticScot, 16, #771 of 931 🔗

True, but think what a comeback there has been for 1984!

323871 ▶▶▶ stewart, replying to iane, 5, #772 of 931 🔗

Orwell just got the date wrong.

323913 ▶▶▶ OKUK, replying to iane, 2, #773 of 931 🔗

And 1917!

323877 Alias Margaret, replying to Alias Margaret, 4, #774 of 931 🔗

Oh dear, did someone turn off the fridge by mistake?

COVID-19: Europe begins vaccination push – but delays in Germany after jab exceeds max temperature
http://news.sky.com/story/the-key-to-getting-our-lives-back-europe-begins-covid-vaccination-push-12173342

323886 ▶▶ Portnadler, replying to Alias Margaret, 5, #775 of 931 🔗

From the same article:

The first person to be vaccinated at that home was Edith Kwoizalla, 101, and Mr Krueger said 40 of the home’s 59 residents and 10 of the 40 workers wanted the vaccine.

I’m not sure why the other 19 residents and 30 care home workers refused it.

323897 ▶▶▶ mjr, replying to Portnadler, 5, #776 of 931 🔗

perhaps they were the only ones not on sedatives and were conscious

323918 ▶▶▶ stewart, replying to Portnadler, 18, #777 of 931 🔗

Maybe because the drug company openly admits that it doesn’t know whether it stops infections or the spread of infection.

Maybe because the drug company openly admits that it doesn’t know how long the effects of the vaccine last.

Maybe because the drug company openly admits that it doesn’t know if it will cause long term side effects (how can it after 6 months…)

Maybe because it is the first mRNA vaccine to be approved and has only got this far in the first place because the health authorities allowed this one to skip phase 1 animal trials, the phase other mRNA were failing to pass before covid.

Maybe because the “health experts” encouraging everyone to take the vaccine are at the same time saying that social distancing, masks and possibly other measures will need to continue regardless of whether people are vaccinated or not.

We can criticise lockdowns, masks, social distancing, the government’s handling of things, we can criticise almost anything, But say a word against a vaccine that even health officials doubt may solve the problem and has no long term safety record and you are considered a danger to society.

It’s like living in madhouse.

323926 ▶▶▶ Silke David, replying to Portnadler, 3, #778 of 931 🔗

Maybe the 19 have other people, like relatives or an authorised person, like the lawyer interviewed for klagepaten on the 24th, to make the decision for them and they are either still filling in the mountain of paperwork or have said “no”.

323931 ▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Alias Margaret, 2, #779 of 931 🔗

… did someone turn off the fridge by mistake?

By design? Good for them”!

323884 Tenchy, replying to Tenchy, 12, #780 of 931 🔗

Bunter, Grubber and the Chuckle Brothers have really done us proud! No longer the Chinese flu, it’s now the British flu:

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/dec/27/scientists-call-for-nationwide-lockdown-after-rapid-spread-of-covid-19-variant

Their cynical pronouncements last week have now left the UK as a world pariah. What a bunch of bastards.

323914 ▶▶ wayno, replying to Tenchy, 2, #782 of 931 🔗

That’s a bit harsh on bastards. That’s not their fault. These (insert own expletives) knew exactly what they were doing.

323885 Biggles, replying to Biggles, 18, #783 of 931 🔗

I’m sorry to break the news, but it looks like we will be in lockdown for the foreseeable future. According to the Independent, Long Covid patients are haunted by an ‘unbearable’ smell of fish. Just when you thought it couldn’t get any worse.

323896 ▶▶ mjr, replying to Biggles, 13, #784 of 931 🔗

can you clarify. do they smell fish or do they smell of fish?
i thought one of the main symptoms of covid was losing the sense of smell.
also isnt it ironic .. i thought it was us sceptics who thought the whole covid thing smelled fishy.

“My sheeps got no nose ” “how does it smell?” “of fish”

323900 ▶▶▶ Biggles, replying to mjr, 4, #785 of 931 🔗

I can confirm that they smell fish and………………burnt toast.

323903 ▶▶ RickH, replying to Biggles, 7, #786 of 931 🔗

That figures – the whole thing smells fishy.

323907 ▶▶ wayno, replying to Biggles, 5, #787 of 931 🔗

Any numbers attached to that? Missus smell came back after 3 weeks, next doors after 2. Smells fishy to me 😀

323975 ▶▶▶ HoMojo, replying to wayno, 12, #788 of 931 🔗

I lost my sense of smell to a virus eight years ago and it’s never come back, what’s the big deal? Loads of people have ‘anosmia’ from viruses in the past, like loads of people had flu in the past. We didn’t stop the fucking country.

323910 ▶▶ OKUK, replying to Biggles, 10, #789 of 931 🔗

We’ve all been smelling something fishy since the end of March.,.perhaps we’re all suffering from Long Covid.

323911 ▶▶ OKUK, replying to Biggles, 10, #790 of 931 🔗

Surely some mistake – shouldn’t that read “Pong Covid”?

323924 ▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Biggles, 5, #791 of 931 🔗

They can obviously smell the shoals of red herring that are being stored in Westminster.

323930 ▶▶ theanalyst, replying to Biggles, 1, #792 of 931 🔗

To my nose, fish smells far less in shops on the continent – because it is fresher. I think the UK people don’t like fish much because it smells and is less fresh on these islands. This is my personal experience.

Having said that, we had some wonderful fresh seafood from Newlyn’s Farm Shop in Hook, Hampshire which I 100% recommend.

Perhaps the above means fish in the UK has become fresher…though if so, this is probably nothing to do with imaginary long Covid.

323934 ▶▶ Sam Vimes, replying to Biggles, #793 of 931 🔗

My dog’s got no nose…

323949 ▶▶▶ Annie, replying to Sam Vimes, 2, #794 of 931 🔗

Terrible..
Covidogfish..

323948 ▶▶ Annie, replying to Biggles, 3, #795 of 931 🔗

Whole thing is fishy.

324016 ▶▶ Nobody2020, replying to Biggles, 1, #796 of 931 🔗

Could be a red herring.

324031 ▶▶ thinkaboutit, replying to Biggles, #797 of 931 🔗

If you lose your sense of smell and then it returns the first thing you smell is the inside of your own head ( which normally you wouldn’t notice). Perhaps they have rancid sinuses.

323891 chris c, replying to chris c, 13, #798 of 931 🔗

Phew, almost caught up. It’s been taking me over 24 hours to read a day’s comments but I don’t want to miss anything.

Here’s a question that will never be asked, let alone answered.

How many cases of the sCaRy NeW vArIaNt aka covid-21 had the flu vaccine?

I was bombarded with texts, letter and phone calls to the point of harassment. Obviously I was not alone and I assume most of the population succumbed to the pressure and were vaxxed.

Now it’s possible the covid was deliberately introduced into the flu vaccine. More likely it got in via the manufacturing process, I recall seeing an analysis of a vaccine (can’t remember which one) which was found to contain various animal cells, other infectious agents, and something very weird, I thinbk helminths. All presumably dross from the manufacturing process.

Actually more plausible is that the the vaccine directed the immune system against specific flu variants and away from things like covid that were actually present. In some years when they correctly predicted the strains of flu the vaccine was 60 – 70 % effective. One year when they got it wrong it was down around 17%.

I recall this was covered in studies suggesting the flu vaccine made coiroinavirus infection more likely and evidence from Italy suggests this is also true of covid 19.

Whatever the mechanism I strongly suspect the flu vaccine was deliberately used to increase the covid numbers and justify yet another lockdown. Coming shortly, as if Tier 4 wasn’t bad enough.

I had a further thought, they will try to make the covid vaccine as safe as possible, to lull us into a false sense of security. The bad stuff will be in one of the boosters a year or two down the line. Well that’s exactly what I’d do if I was a psychotic dwarf who wanted to crash society and the economy to benefit my friends.

323909 ▶▶ OKUK, replying to chris c, 5, #799 of 931 🔗

There is a genuine phenomenon called vaccine interference where one vaccine reduced the effectiveness of other vaccines.

323922 ▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to OKUK, 3, #800 of 931 🔗

There’s evidence to suggest that last year’s flujab made the early corona symptoms worse. Sorry, I can’t provide links but one was a study from the Pentagon.

324062 ▶▶▶▶ crimsonpirate, replying to Cheezilla, #801 of 931 🔗

question here is, the annual flujab-how widespread is it. Europe, Asia etc?

323915 ▶▶ CapLlam, replying to chris c, 3, #802 of 931 🔗

My friend had it due to her work and she was told by the nurse not to get a test as it would be positive.

323921 ▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to chris c, #803 of 931 🔗

Goodness me, have you been reading my thoughts recently, especially about the innocuous first dose of vaccine??!!

323941 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to chris c, 4, #804 of 931 🔗

It could be simply that the flu vaccine encouraged mild symptoms, especially as schools were returning. People run for tests, not flu as that is not happening, but Covid. PCR does the rest

324012 ▶▶ Portnadler, replying to chris c, 1, #805 of 931 🔗

You could look at it in a different way and say that lots of people who might have had the flu didn’t, due to their having had a flu vaccination (at least that is how it is meant to work). And therein lies the problem.

Whatever flu might do, one possibility is that it reacts with cells in order to clear out the bad and prime the body for the onslaught of winter – homeostasis in action. With the vaccination, that doesn’t happen and the person is left wide open for the next virus to take on the job. Enter covid-19.

Flu is seen as an unmitigated evil with no regard to the possibility that it may be the body’s way of clearing stuff out. Flu isn’t nice but the body doesn’t mess about when its survival is at stake.

Not everyone who has the flu jab will get covid-19 (their body is in a good state); but everyone who gets covid-19 will have had the flu jab. Try as I might, I cannot find any reports of covid-19 that don’t involve a person in a group that is recommended for flu vaccination: the over 65s, the immuno-compromised, the obese, health care workers, doctors, pregnant women, people with learning disabilities. These people make up the roll-call of coronavirus deaths. The young and unvaccinated are nowhere to be seen.

Coincidence? Possibly (as people who are old and vulnerable are the target group for vaccination) but who knows?

323894 George Mc, replying to George Mc, 17, #806 of 931 🔗

Just caught a bit of TV news and wondered if there can possibly be anyone at all left who is still swallowing this bull. “And these hospitals are filled to capacity as the NHS buckles under the awesome weight of all those piled up corpses!”

Can they say anything now? “And tonight, a special interview with Adolf Hitler who has been discovered doing a stand-up comic routine in Blackpool!”

323898 ▶▶ Charlie Blue, replying to George Mc, 9, #807 of 931 🔗

Loads of people! They are enjoying their starring roles as heroes in the Walking Dead (not realising they are the zombies) and are looking forward to the next 5 seasons. Plenty of bravery and self-sacrifice left in the tank.

323902 ▶▶ james007, replying to George Mc, 18, #808 of 931 🔗

In the whole of my constituency (which is in Tier 4), there were 2 Covid deaths last week. The week before that 1, and the week before that 1. It isn’t exactly the black death is it?

(I regularly email my MP with this data, and ask him if he thinks that turning our country into a communist state is proportionate).

If our local is overworked, it will be because of the massive cancer treatment backlog, 10-15% of staff self-isolating, and the usual winter peak demand.

323991 ▶▶▶ Stringfellow Hawke, replying to james007, 4, #809 of 931 🔗

Indeed. Sadly there are reports emerging all over the country now of neglect for things like cancer treatment – just one example of several recently: Sherwin Hall, a young father, (under 30) multiple visits to hospital, literally begged for help & scans: Dr’s eventually relented and found a malignant tumour in his pelvis, and 30 other smaller ones in his lungs. According to his family, he was told several times, that his cancer scanning & treatment was being sidelined because covid was being prioritized.

324054 ▶▶▶▶ james007, replying to Stringfellow Hawke, 2, #810 of 931 🔗

That is so sad. My sister is a cancer nurse and they are rationing care and prioritising cases. Basically choosing who should be treated.
Remember in March, when they said we had to have a lockdown – otherwise hospitals would be choosing who should live?

323920 ▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to George Mc, 15, #811 of 931 🔗

Was talking to a nurse on Christmas Day. She said the problem is staff self-isolating because of +test, babysitting +tested kids, or genuinely ill due to stress and knackeredness from trying to cover for all the staff absences.

323904 rockoman, replying to rockoman, 7, #812 of 931 🔗

“Do mask mandates work”?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AQyLFdoeUNk

!h 40 mins debate.

Mask advocate gets taken apart by the relentless Denis Rancourt.

Last 10 minutes are especially ‘entertaining’.

323916 ▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to rockoman, 5, #813 of 931 🔗

Oh my. 3 piece suite+tie versus tieless shirt. No chance!
Kyle really needs to watch his blood pressure.

323939 ▶▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to Cheezilla, 4, #814 of 931 🔗

Indeed, his anger is just a sign of his lack of professionalism really. DR is a sage compared to him.

323927 ▶▶ stewart, replying to rockoman, 18, #815 of 931 🔗

So we’re back at the dawn of the enlightenment when Galileo had to endure debates about whether the sun revolved around the earth of vice versa.

If we keep regressing at this pace, we’ll be back in the dark ages by summer.

324010 ▶▶▶ Noumenon, replying to stewart, #816 of 931 🔗

The medievals knew how to party. Bring it on is all I can say!

324065 ▶▶▶ Waldorf, replying to stewart, #817 of 931 🔗

We will be making the ultimate sacrifice – a goat.

323980 ▶▶ Joseph, replying to rockoman, 6, #818 of 931 🔗

Kyle was decimated in that. A really unpleasant individual – patronising, aggressive and I’d go as far as saying unhinged.

Love how the comments are universally calling him out!

323985 ▶▶▶ Julian, replying to Joseph, 4, #819 of 931 🔗

Yes I got bored scrolling down the comments trying to find a non-sceptical one

324013 ▶▶ Noumenon, replying to rockoman, 1, #820 of 931 🔗

That Kyle is so unhinged even if he was right there’s no way he, or anyone of his mentality, should be allowed anywhere near government policy.

No wonder everything’s falling to bits.

323919 Cheshirecatslave, replying to Cheshirecatslave, 13, #821 of 931 🔗

Church was enjoyable today, several people took off masks after the service and we chatted and ate chocolates. I sang quietly despite the rules. We prayed for a member’s Aunt who has covid, I think she’s only the second case in the congregation’s circle. I hope she’s OK.

323946 ▶▶ Annie, replying to Cheshirecatslave, 2, #822 of 931 🔗

Hope that wasn’t the only person you prayed for!

324055 ▶▶▶ Cheshirecatslave, replying to Annie, #823 of 931 🔗

No,we prayed for several cancer sufferers too.

323925 George Mc, replying to George Mc, 14, #824 of 931 🔗

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-55461390

‘Covid-19: London Ambulance Service receives as many 999 calls as first wave’

The article is based on ‘an internal message to all staff’ sent by LAS chief executive Garrett Emmerson from which we learn,

‘London Ambulance Service (LAS) received as many emergency calls on 26 December as it did at the height of the first wave of Covid-19, the BBC has learned. Nearly 8,000 calls were received, a 40% increase on a typical “busy” day. Patient demand was “now arguably greater” than during the first wave, an internal message to all staff said.’

But what is this ‘patient demand’? The article is leading you to believe it is the demand for treatment by genuine covid sufferers. Not so:

‘LAS said it was “working urgently” to reduce delays. It urged people only to dial 999 with genuine life-threatening emergencies and to use 111 if possible.’

But then we read, “The demand is occurring because of the rapid spread of the new variant of the Covid-19 virus…”

Disingenuous or what? The demand is not caused BY the rapid spread of the virus but by reporting ON the rapid spread of the virus.

In short, it is a self-fulfilling warning. Whip them up, watch them go, and then report on the damage they do as if it was just happening ‘naturally’.

323933 ▶▶ The Filthy Engineer, replying to George Mc, 9, #825 of 931 🔗

I had a very similar opinion when I read that article too: Completely without context but strongly implying that covid was the driving the demand without providing evidence. My thought was – How different is demand to previous Boxing Days? What injuries are people presenting with etc. etc.

323942 ▶▶ dpj, replying to George Mc, 13, #826 of 931 🔗

The article is half a story as it doesn’t really mention what the large number of calls were actually for. Would anyone be surprised if majority were hysterical people phoning for ambulances at the slightest hint of feeling unwell ‘I’m dying of deadly covid, send an ambulance immediately’ due to over the top hysteria in media about alleged deadly new strain.

323956 ▶▶▶ p02099003, replying to dpj, 3, #827 of 931 🔗

University hospitals of Leicester had over 400 admissions for respiratory disorders this week in 2019 or 60 a day or 1 every 25 minutes.

323968 ▶▶ RickH, replying to George Mc, 11, #828 of 931 🔗

Funny how a virus variant that has been around for months has suddenly run rampant – and yet the number of truck drivers with a virus (let alone an infectious one) is miniscule.

323932 Sam Vimes, 15, #829 of 931 🔗

Fuck ’em. Now, what was the question?

323937 Sam Vimes, replying to Sam Vimes, 3, #830 of 931 🔗

Vaccination, that’s my by-word
Vaccination’s what you need
If you’ve already had the test
And you’re more virtuous than the rest
Vaccination’s what you need…

324029 ▶▶ Jez Hewitt, replying to Sam Vimes, #831 of 931 🔗

If you wanna be a covid breakeeeerrr…

323938 Cheezilla, 2, #832 of 931 🔗

Alex Belfield: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eBfrHVqPo44

Julia Hartley Brewer & Nick Ferrari should be sacked immediately say snowflake lefties!

323951 Banjones, #833 of 931 🔗

A bit of light entertainment from Canada:
https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=opera+revue

323952 p02099003, replying to p02099003, 6, #834 of 931 🔗

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-55461390 apparently the number of 999 calls are now worse than at the height of the pandemic. However, they don’t say how they compare with this time last year.

324004 ▶▶ Nobody2020, replying to p02099003, 3, #835 of 931 🔗

It’s worth considering that people may be reluctant to call on friends/family and the default course of action will now be to call emergency services in most situations.

No idea how much this would increase the figures but it’s likely to have a considerable effect.

324009 ▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Nobody2020, 2, #836 of 931 🔗

If you can’t see your GP and 111 is useless or unavailable, 999 is your only recourse.

324024 ▶▶▶▶ thinkaboutit, replying to Cheezilla, 3, #837 of 931 🔗

As happened to us this week. We’ve been trying to get an urgent referral and treatment for my son for a month. They gave him an outpatients appointment for mid January, I thought it unlikely he’d make it to Christmas. We called the ambulance on Tuesday as he was nearing collapse. All the box tickers have gone home for Christmas so his earliest chance for the treatment he needs will be next Tuesday. PALS told us to contact our GP ( useless), phone 111 ( useless) or in an emergency 999. Well they created the emergency.

324039 ▶▶▶▶▶ BTLnewbie, replying to thinkaboutit, 3, #838 of 931 🔗

Hope it works out ok for your son. Thinking of him.

324058 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ thinkaboutit, replying to BTLnewbie, #839 of 931 🔗

Thank you, much appreciated.

324071 ▶▶▶▶▶ Jane G, replying to thinkaboutit, #840 of 931 🔗

Indeed they did. Heart aches for you – hope all goes well; kick up one helluva stink if it doesn’t. X

324101 ▶▶▶▶▶ Lisa (formerly) from Toronto, replying to thinkaboutit, #841 of 931 🔗

This is unconscionable. My thoughts are with you and your son and I hope he gets the treatment he needs immediately. Like Jane said, I’d scream bloody murder in order to get him treated.

324052 ▶▶▶ Cheshirecatslave, replying to Nobody2020, 2, #842 of 931 🔗

Suicides are high around new Year in normal times. I dread to think what this year will be like.

323961 Tom Blackburn, 7, #843 of 931 🔗

It sounds like The Times have used the interview with NF as a stalking horse (to very good effect) but the other papers simply haven’t picked it up. Undermining lockdown simply doesn’t shift copy.

323962 theanalyst, replying to theanalyst, 66, #844 of 931 🔗

My 76 year old mum is now driving back to Tier 2 Cumbria this evening after 5 nights in now Tier 4 Hampshire. She would have gone back tomorrow morning but for the risk of snow and dangerous roads.

We’ve had a great Xmas and she has been spending quality time with us, her grand daughter, and her 2 y/o great grand daughter. Everyone hugged. No social distancing. Some of us have antibodies (we paid for a test in May when epidemic was over) Mum was a career nurse. She knows its all bull.

I’m proud of my 76 year old mum and hope there is no hold up on the M6 tonight.

323986 ▶▶ Fingerache Philip, replying to theanalyst, 9, #845 of 931 🔗

Be very proud of your mother.

324015 ▶▶ RickH, replying to theanalyst, 3, #846 of 931 🔗

Let’s hope that this sort of example of saying ‘f.it’ to the impositions has been widespread.

It may not produce immediate results, but it is a start.

We also had as normal a time as was feasible, without anti-social distancing,given some constraints re. genuinely vulnerable individuals, and some sheer practicalities of travel.

323972 BeBopRockSteady, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 10, #847 of 931 🔗

If I look at Northern Ireland’s bed count, it’s been in terminal decline over the last 10 years.
• Available hospital beds Northern Ireland 2009-2020 | Statista

From 7,200 to 5,200 and that is with a growing population both in number and age.
That 5,200 number is a reflection of general estimated bed numbers. Not really real time. What is real time is the Department of Health’s daily dashboard and guess what the number of beds is stated as?

2,895 beds of which 2,888 are currently occupied
Microsoft Power BI

This is shocking to me. The dashboard sets off alarm bells showing 100% occupancy in hospitals in Northern Ireland. There were reports of 7 ambulances in the Antrim Area Hospital last week treating patients as they waited in a queue outside the ER and this bounced the local gov into another 6 week lockdown. My town has been in full lockdown now since October 3rd save for a week before Christmas.

So why the huge drop? Is is social distancing of beds? Of staff being relocated and isolated on top? Who the hell knows. This kind of context is just side-lined. Nobody here is asking these questions in any public capacity.

323977 ▶▶ leggy, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 16, #848 of 931 🔗

The who NHS has halved available beds in the last 30 years. Down from just under 300k. All the time, the population has been increasing. It’s a manufactured overwhelming of the system that we see every winter.

323978 ▶▶ RickH, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 9, #849 of 931 🔗

It’s another aspect of the appalling standard of reporting that we suffer.

There was a time when decent investigative reporters would have been all over these different aspects like a rash.

Not now.

The BBC and Channel 4 get a lot of justifiable stick for pathetic complicity. But – even in the case of the BBC – ’twas not always thus, despite its establishment bent. There was a time when Panorama , for instance, genuinely did do uncomfortable stuff. Similarly, Channel 4’s ‘Despatches’ (10 years ago, for instance,Peter Oborne did an incisive examination of the Israel Lobby’s dire influence on the politics of the nation).

Not now – despite some picking around the edges.

324036 ▶▶▶ OKUK, replying to RickH, #850 of 931 🔗

V. true. Panorama were completely shown up by a certain MrTR. Sweeney who was caught on camera coming out with many unGuardian like comments about gays, gypsies, Irish, women etc while quaffing copious amounts of alcohol during working hours had to leave the BBC service. The BBC claimed the documentary would still appear. It never was. Liars. Is Dispatches still going? It used to be good but haven’t seen or heard anything from them in the last couple of years. Journalism in the MSM in both the UK and USA is pretty much dead.

323974 RickH, 18, #851 of 931 🔗

I mentioned earlier the Council of Europe report on H1N1.

[ https://assembly.coe.int/CommitteeDocs/2010/20100604_H1N1pandemic_e.pdf ]

I could pick out the whole of the conclusions as being relevant – but this one struck me forcibly :

“64. The rapporteur considers that some of the outcomes of the pandemic, as illustrated in this report, have been dramatic: distortion of priorities of public health services all over Europe, waste of huge sums of public money, provocation of unjustified fear amongst Europeans, creation of health risks through vaccines and medications which might not have been sufficiently tested before being authorised in fast-track procedures, are all examples of these outcomes. From the rapporteur’s perspective, these results need to be critically examined by public health authorities at all levels with a view to rebuilding public confidence in their decisions. Public health authorities need to be better prepared for the next infectious disease of pandemic scope, which might be of greater severity .”

I think we can safely say that, far from ‘lessons being learned’, the lessons of that other fake pandemic were thoroughly trashed by the same interest groups.

Once might be a mistake. But ….

323979 theanalyst, replying to theanalyst, 9, #852 of 931 🔗

The Daily Mail Headline of the moment is nonsensical and is being paid for by those with financial interests who even use different names and claim to be in two jobs at the same time. Call me out if I’m wrong. This cuts to the heart of the issue. The paid for media are driving this lunacy.

Look at the name of the journalist here. Ameila Wynne. Google it.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9090939/Millions-Britons-face-plunged-Tier-4-lockdown-week.html

https://muckrack.com/amelia-wynne

https://www.linkedin.com/in/emma-wynne-4787273a/

Who is paying for Emma (or is it Amelia?) Daily Mail, Australia Broadcasting Corporation, or a Bill Gates financial giveaway? I think the latter.

We need more shout outs against mass media. Utter bollo*ks paid for article.

Just my humble opinion.

323984 ▶▶ Charlie Blue, replying to theanalyst, 1, #853 of 931 🔗

The mutant strain bit us nonsensical, but surely the risk of more going into tier 4 (or just lockdown 3) is factual.

323988 ▶▶▶ Julian, replying to Charlie Blue, 15, #854 of 931 🔗

“Lockdown 3”

We’re still in Lockdown 1, have been since March

Lockdown continues until pre-March normality is restored

323996 ▶▶▶▶ Charlie Blue, replying to Julian, 4, #855 of 931 🔗

Argh! Sorry incomplete comment and couldn’t edit. Yes, it’s all different shades of the same bollx, but it will do its job with the masses. Keeps people cowed if they think there is a prospect of additional punishment

324021 ▶▶▶▶ Noumenon, replying to Julian, 3, #856 of 931 🔗

I, similarly, have been unable to discern the hiatus between each lockdown. Life has been royally fucked up since it began.

324049 ▶▶▶▶ TimeIsNow, replying to Julian, 2, #857 of 931 🔗

So true. A surprising prison break on my conformist street over Christmas. Feels much more sceptical. I’m telling everyone to turn the BBC off. Are we turning a corner? Thoughts please.

323998 ▶▶▶ theanalyst, replying to Charlie Blue, 4, #858 of 931 🔗

Correct. It is – I was referring to sentences like “ The next tier review is on December 30 and infections continue to climb”

I don’t think they climbed on 25th December. I don’t think they climbed Boxing Day or today either. No-one of sound mind thinks this.

323999 ▶▶▶ nottingham69, replying to Charlie Blue, 1, #859 of 931 🔗

The threat is there but the numbers in the Midlands and North, even with fake stats don’t warrant CCP shutdown.

323997 ▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to theanalyst, 22, #860 of 931 🔗

DM commenter sums it up:

So Christmas day mixing has caused this?? Thought the virus takes a week to show symptoms. Then you need a test. Results then take a day or two. It’s only been 2 days since Christmas day so how are the current figures down to mixing bubbles. This manipulation of the data would be funny if most of the country didn’t believe what’s being reported.

324097 ▶▶▶ jonathan Palmer, replying to Cheezilla, 3, #861 of 931 🔗

They don’t even try to hide their lies anymore.Why should they,no one is holding them to account.
They are getting more fantastical from 4000 deaths a day to a mutant strain that is 70% more infectious.

324034 ▶▶ crimsonpirate, replying to theanalyst, #862 of 931 🔗

the Nigerian strain may jump the shark

324043 ▶▶▶ Dorian_Hawkmoon, replying to crimsonpirate, 4, #863 of 931 🔗

The Nigerian strain won’t infect you. It will just phish your bank details.

323989 Fingerache Philip, replying to Fingerache Philip, 13, #864 of 931 🔗

Notice how the fear factor is being ramped up now that Christmas is over.

323995 ▶▶ leggy, replying to Fingerache Philip, 11, #865 of 931 🔗

No, but I don’t watch mainstream media. No fear here.

324028 ▶▶▶ wayno, replying to leggy, 1, #866 of 931 🔗

Same,not for about 8 months

324005 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to Fingerache Philip, 3, #867 of 931 🔗

Just caught the ITV news, it certainly is. However, its been this way since the Pfzier vaccine was approved I think. Cases – Fear – Ambulance Scenes – Hospitals At Capacity – Vaccine – Hope – All In This Together – IGNORE

324040 ▶▶ crimsonpirate, replying to Fingerache Philip, #868 of 931 🔗

yep, given I live in London I should be kept awake by the sirens

324048 ▶▶▶ OKUK, replying to crimsonpirate, 2, #869 of 931 🔗

It was reliably reported thag during the first lockdown ambulance crews were asked to flash their blue lights when on the move even when there was no need eg returning to their normal waiting area after a call out. I think it’s true. The streets were pretty deserted but I noticed ambulances always had the blue lights on. It was all about raising the perception of peril.

323990 Nick Rose, replying to Nick Rose, 20, #870 of 931 🔗

Vaccine hesitancy across Europe:

https://twitter.com/SandraWeeden/status/1343303821775265792

Poland less than 40% want the jab, Bulgaria 45%, France 46%, Italy 36%, Sweden 33%. The issue is the speed of development.

324000 ▶▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to Nick Rose, 8, #872 of 931 🔗

“Myself, I am vaccinated against everything I can be,” Bishop Tihon told reporters after getting his shot, standing alongside the health minister in Sofia.

A common tactic, hire the local religious leaders to affirm their support.

324006 ▶▶▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 5, #873 of 931 🔗

Call it desperation by the authorities myself ;o))

324017 ▶▶▶▶ Pancho the Grey, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 7, #874 of 931 🔗

Sadly, there isn’t a vaccine against stupidity

324022 ▶▶▶▶ OKUK, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 1, #875 of 931 🔗

Roll up your sleeve Bish, here comes the saline…

324001 ▶▶ Nobody2020, replying to Nick Rose, 17, #876 of 931 🔗

Let’s take these numbers at face value. If a government feels it is right to force/coerce such people into having a vaccine then that government does not represent the people.

It should lose all legitimacy on that basis alone.

324007 ▶▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to Nobody2020, 6, #877 of 931 🔗

If there are that many of us (half of NHS staff, maybe?) then the government has a real problem. All governments have a real problem. lol

324019 ▶▶▶ Noumenon, replying to Nobody2020, 3, #878 of 931 🔗

But governments are supposed to represent the science now, not us. Get with the program!

324020 ▶▶ OKUK, replying to Nick Rose, 6, #879 of 931 🔗

Maybe but 2020 has also been a big lesson for Europeans about how their governments lie to them over matters of life and death. Also – one prediction I got right – the silver lining of the Covid cloud has been that the public have learnt a lot more about vaccine safety. Prior to Covid, the MSM – conniving with Big Pharma and Government – had kept up this facade that all vaccines are “safe” and that to even mention “adverse resctions” in public showed you were some kind dangerous nutjob extremist.

Now? Well of course it’s Pfizer, Moderna and Astra-Zeneca who are referring to adverse reactions caused by their products (!) and although there is still the drumbeat propaganda of “vaccinatom will save us” the public are much better informed and are beginning to understand there is a balance of risks when it comes to vaccination v non-vaccination, not safety over risk.

324032 ▶▶ Dorian_Hawkmoon, replying to Nick Rose, 2, #880 of 931 🔗

I’m not all hesitant. Tell me how the full trials went in 3 years time. And it’s not a vaccine; it’s an immunotherapeutic. 🤓

324038 ▶▶ crimsonpirate, replying to Nick Rose, 1, #881 of 931 🔗

Happy to get vaccinated but as I haven’t seen a doctor in over 25 years I guess I will need to register. Hopefully they will fast track me….

324044 ▶▶▶ OKUK, replying to crimsonpirate, 1, #882 of 931 🔗

You are joking?

324053 ▶▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to OKUK, #883 of 931 🔗

I reckon so …

324098 ▶▶ Andrew K, replying to Nick Rose, 1, #884 of 931 🔗

All Governments know many won’t take the vaccine, that’s what they want, to string this out until the reset is complete. If you study the great depression of 1929 the ffull force of unemployment wasn’t felt immediately, then suddenly whoosh, everything collapsed. I don’t know when that day is here, but it’s not ready yet, hence the need to keep this going.

324002 Julian, 13, #885 of 931 🔗

Spent quite a lot of time during the Christmas period talking to an Italian activist sceptic

Situation there seems pretty similar to here – there are people fighting it in various ways but not much mainstream opposition

324003 Joseph, replying to Joseph, 18, #886 of 931 🔗

Asymptomatic transmission of COVID-19 didn’t occur at all, study of 10 million finds
https://www.lifesitenews.com/news/asymptomatic-transmission-of-covid-19-didnt-occur-at-all-study-of-10-million-finds

324011 ▶▶ Pancho the Grey, replying to Joseph, 8, #887 of 931 🔗

The evidence keeps on coming but seems to evade all of the governments advisers.

324042 ▶▶▶ l835, replying to Pancho the Grey, 4, #888 of 931 🔗

As Ferguson said, they know they can get away with it.

324008 DanClarke, replying to DanClarke, 1, #889 of 931 🔗

The DM is very hyper this evening

324025 ▶▶ OKUK, replying to DanClarke, 4, #890 of 931 🔗

Well you would be, sitting on a fence spike! Can’t be comfortable especially when you try to face in both directions.

324014 BeBopRockSteady, 1, #891 of 931 🔗

Sunderland Covid-19 outbreak: Fourth game is postponed amid “volume” of cases – BBC Sport

Any Black Cat fans? Get some lateral flow into ya and end the pain

324018 BeBopRockSteady, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 1, #892 of 931 🔗

Ivor Cummins looks like he’s producing a monthly bulletin on Irish Covid situation. Good for anybody looking to provide a short alternative summary of matters there.

Ivor Cummins on Twitter: “IRELAND RISES. They need to download and print out this – and deliver it EVERYWHERE: https://t.co/YlsxVWwa0m Post: https://t.co/AT8NyabqNG ” / Twitter

324030 ▶▶ crimsonpirate, replying to BeBopRockSteady, #893 of 931 🔗

nothing in Cork?-the rebel county

324299 ▶▶ RickH, replying to BeBopRockSteady, #895 of 931 🔗

That’s a good piece of basic statistical work, highlighting the massive question marks around the nature and scale of PCR testing as a diagnostic procedure.

And, of course, he’s quite right – any decent responsible authority would be right into these questions … which suggests ….

324027 DanClarke, replying to DanClarke, 6, #896 of 931 🔗

Anyone know why the want us to be locked down at New Year? Law Abiding citizens under house arrest !

324037 ▶▶ OKUK, replying to DanClarke, 2, #897 of 931 🔗

Gotta get Biden over line and CCP like us damaging our economies.

324033 BeBopRockSteady, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 6, #898 of 931 🔗

With all the panic on the MSM news this evening about London 999 calls, it seems its over 50% down on March peak (blue line), also case numbers show exactly what you’d expect with PCR. Many people hotstepped into getting tested for peace of mind ahead of Christmas dinner. I wonder how many isolated when they found out they were PCR + within ten days of the big day. Look at the ramp up, totally irregular and not demonstrative of natural spread. Just an artefact of more people getting tested

Progression dashboard – NHS Digital

324046 ▶▶ Ceriain, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 1, #899 of 931 🔗

the MSM news this evening about London 999 calls

I’m in London and haven’t heard sirens for months and months; what a load of old bull.

324035 BeBopRockSteady, 1, #900 of 931 🔗

A very strange anecdote this, a policy of using hospitals as overspill when care home outbreaks reach a certain level.

“I also know of cases where struggling nursing home has bussed in whole cohort of community diagnosed positives not because of clinical need but for infection control”

https://twitter.com/brendanm0ran/status/1342186297633472512

324103 ▶▶ Cheshirecatslave, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 2, #902 of 931 🔗

Just reading this from the article “ To fully finance Hill and Gilbert’s Vaccitech, and specifically its quest to develop a universal flu vaccine, Oxford Science Innovations sought £600 million from “outside investors,” chief among them the Wellcome Trust and the venture-capital arm of Google, Google Ventures . This means that Google is poised to make a profit from the Oxford-AstraZeneca vaccine at a time when its video platform YouTube has moved to ban COVID-19 vaccine–related content that shines a negative light on COVID-19 vaccines, including the Oxford-AstraZeneca candidate. “

324057 james007, replying to james007, 12, #903 of 931 🔗

I feel quite depressed tonight. I had a nightmare last night that the police were going round schools, and arresting teachers who were passing on “dangerous” ideas to children. Politicians were considering extending the rules to all adults, including parents.
Today I was thinking that most people now seem to think in binary. If you have questions about the vaccine – you’re an “anti-vaxer” (described by the PM as “nuts”). If you are sceptical about lockdowns, you are a “covid-denier” or a “conspiracy theorist”. This binary thinking extends into many areas of debate, the US election, BLM, the NHS.
I worry that people are loosing the ability to think properly and independently. They fail to see that rarely is an issue binary – there are always nuances and questions. And rarely is an idea dangerous. It is never dangerous to question, debate and reason.
Grown adults, with careers and influence can’t actually think. It is terrifying.
Hope for a better night’s sleep tonight.

324076 ▶▶ Silke David, replying to james007, 5, #904 of 931 🔗

Tbh, I gave up on about half of the people in know and their ability to think critically at least 20 years ago.

324084 ▶▶ OKUK, replying to james007, 5, #905 of 931 🔗

Your “nightmare” was a sound piece of rational analysis. Many inventions, songs and other useful information have come to people during sleep. You can enjoy a good rest tonight knowing you are a sane and insightful person. 🙂

324085 ▶▶ dhid, replying to james007, 3, #906 of 931 🔗

Can’t disagree with any of that –

As I ranted a bit elsewhere here just a while ago, I find everything you said to be true and I start to think it’s me that’s going bonkers, because of the constant narrative that seems to have made people I once thought intelligent, apparently incapable of questioning what they are fed daily.

Binary does seem to be the only result now.

With older people I think it’s a burying of heads, and a belief that it will “all be ok in a bit”!

With younger people it’s a lack of attention span and the, once common desire to question everything, has gone.

324100 ▶▶ Lisa (formerly) from Toronto, replying to james007, 3, #907 of 931 🔗

In a way it’s a sign we are winning. When your opponent resorts to name calling — anti-vaxxer, covid denier — instead of arguing the facts, they have lost. I know it doesn’t feel like we’re winning and every day is frustrating, but the zombies can’t come up with anything better than name calling as an argument. Very juvenile and the sign of a simple mind.

324307 ▶▶▶ RickH, replying to Lisa (formerly) from Toronto, #908 of 931 🔗

I’m not sure bout ‘winning’ – but it’s proof positive that we are right, since the covmaniac arguments can’t stand up to scrutiny.

324059 dhid, replying to dhid, 15, #909 of 931 🔗

Well, is there any point any more?

I wake up in the morning wishing I hadn’t.

I go to bed at night half hoping I won’t wake up the next day.

We are screwed day by day with more lies and bullshit.

We are tortured on every bloody radio station with “infomercials” from the effing government which, whilst I know they are crap, do my head in!

Everywhere I look I see the bizarre and weird sight of my fellow Britons muzzled and wandering around like zombies from a horror movie.

I hear people I once thought quite bright telling me it’s because of the fucking “danger” and even people I love looking at me with pity, as though I might have a “problem”!

Well I do have a problem, and I am not sure how much more of it I can take.

Have had a few of the Aussies finest “Merlot” red sleeping drafts (getting a bit expensive now), so probably making a pillock of myself (nothing new there though) and will unfortunately probably wake up again tomorrow and see this post and be mortally embarrassed!

Whatever!

324063 ▶▶ godowneasy, replying to dhid, 8, #910 of 931 🔗

Sounds pretty lucid to me! Don’t be embarrassed. Tomorrow is another day which can be better if you make it so.

324068 ▶▶▶ dhid, replying to godowneasy, 4, #911 of 931 🔗

Thanks!

I do try, it’s just getting harder and harder.

I have had a bit of a crap last 3 or 4 years for various reasons, and I had decided 2020 would be a good year and was feeling positive about all sorts in January.

Then came February and I thought “Oh well that’s a bit of a bummer!” and then… and then…. and so on…

I will try to stay positive….I think!

324087 ▶▶▶▶ wayno, replying to dhid, 3, #912 of 931 🔗

Keep with it fella, been there, just keep venting, no one is judging

324090 ▶▶▶▶▶ dhid, replying to wayno, 6, #913 of 931 🔗

Thanks – what would we do without this place?!

324093 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ wayno, replying to dhid, 5, #914 of 931 🔗

I know, I honestly think I’d have lost it without knowing I’m not insane and others see what we do.

324099 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Lisa (formerly) from Toronto, replying to wayno, 2, #915 of 931 🔗

The lies might have become too big to fail, but we will go to our deaths knowing we were right. We may be a minority, but we are large enough to push back and to remind each other we’re not the crazy ones.

324066 ▶▶ assoc, replying to dhid, 9, #916 of 931 🔗

Don’t watch TV news, don’t listen to radio news. If you must watch TV there is an excellent channel called ‘Talking Pictures’ (on Freeview) that shows old black and white films and series like Professionals and Persuaders. All from a pre-covid and pre-woke age when all was hunky-dory in middle England. Go for a long walk while it’s still legal.

324074 ▶▶▶ dhid, replying to assoc, 3, #917 of 931 🔗

Haven’t done any TV news for quite a while. I only listen to Talk Radio and a local music station which is quite a good distraction and if in the car I just hit “mute” when the crap comes on!

Have watched some of the older (fun) stuff like you mentioned online, along with some delightfully “non-PC” comedy which helps I must say.

Trouble is you have to come back to reality at some point! But thanks for responding.

324083 ▶▶▶▶ OKUK, replying to dhid, 4, #918 of 931 🔗

Yes, important not to expose yourself to the lie machine too much. Personally I tend to stick to Talk Radio and music stations, though even Talk Radio went all vaccine jubilato and came a cropper recently once they realised it wasn’t the end of the madness. On the other hand I do like to sample the enemy propaganda, so will dip into the BBC News site, Guardian, Sunday papers and Newsnight as the mood takes me. Important to know how the enemy – those seekingnto deprivemus kf our liberty – are thinking. But must admit these diversions have become less frequent as the propaganda has become more and more predictable.

324089 ▶▶▶▶▶ dhid, replying to OKUK, 2, #919 of 931 🔗

Yeah you could probably do a “Mystic Meg” these days and say what you will find on the Bullshit Broadcasting Corporation et al, and not be far off.

Ironically just hearing a new “safety” message on local music radio about New Year’s Eve,

I would love to know the identity of the voice-over scumbags making these for cash – they know what they are doing and should pay a price for it!

Ah well, Aussie sleeping draft coming to the end, so might hit the sack.

324060 godowneasy, 2, #920 of 931 🔗

A message to Ivor Cummins (satire)
Ivor, my imaginary friend, a man of many children, many graphs, many explanatory videos that a child could understand (but not politicians), much logic and data (spock would love it), a great beard, a calm manner and many working hours a day (27 the last time I checked) – you’re still twittering as I write this – what the hell are you doing? Get a life!  I’ve read your great fat book but what fuel are you burning to keep going like this?  It’s no food stuff that I’ve encountered. We’ve had enough of your positivity! Give it up. We can’t take it any longer. Give us some COVID death cult reality – stop saying it isn’t real. Your logic, reasoning  and sanity is becoming too much.  Get on board with the agenda before it kills you. Have a great evening.

324075 ▶▶ leggy, replying to rockoman, 1, #922 of 931 🔗

I know how she feels!

324079 ▶▶ OKUK, replying to rockoman, 5, #923 of 931 🔗

Just saw that on another site. When Americans stand their ground sure do .

People in the UK probably don’t realise but soon into the new year Trump supporters are going to be heading for DC, not in the thousands or tens of thousands but likely in their hundreds of thousands and maybe millions. This is going to be a full blown crisis. Either Pence himself might refuse to accept the electoral votes when it comes to their counting or, more likely, there might be sufficient Republican Senators and Reprentatives to talk out the counting process (each elected member of Congress gets 2 hours to make their cases).

There’s a new serous claim out tonight that forensic examination has shown the Georgia machines (or rather tabulator, at the end of the process ) were (covertly) linked to China. An interesting development.

324069 Russel, 11, #924 of 931 🔗

Dear Lockdown Sceptics. I think there is a way to end lockdowns with immediate effect. Since we are ‘all in it together’ surely it is right that MPs should all take 20% pay cut and a randomly selected 10% of them should lose their pay entirely should they continue to vote for any restrictions. Same with SAGE. Accept the same terms if you want to be in it. Same with the BBC if that’s possible. You’ll see immediately no talk of the virus in the media, SAGE will effectively disband by itself. Literally overnight the lockdowns will end.

Can you campaign for this?

324078 swedenborg, replying to swedenborg, 8, #925 of 931 🔗

First time a UK scientist Andrew Hill Livepool University coming out for Ivermectin

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yOAh7GtvcOs&feature=youtu.betreatment&ab_channel=TratamientoTemprano

“Meta-analysis of ivermectin studies done by the University of Liverpool for WHO and the logic behind waiting for 3 additional trials due in January to confirm that “this is going to be a transformational drug”

324094 ▶▶ Andrew K, replying to swedenborg, 5, #926 of 931 🔗

Great find, but I know this cure doesn’t fit into the narrative. £1/£2 per treatment. SAGE will have a heart attack.

324095 ▶▶ OKUK, replying to swedenborg, 6, #927 of 931 🔗

Virtual silence in the MSM about a Ivermectin . Information control to support the narrative. I bet you these trials were in the worst possible conditions for Ivermectin – nothing in the normal range and still it shines through as an effective treatment. It seen known about for at least six months! And sill are applying all these delaying tactics.

324096 Bill H, replying to Bill H, 1, #928 of 931 🔗

So, who are ‘the police’.

Are they simply Robocops? Do they have no views on the ‘duties’ they are asked to perform ?

A while back some Spanish police were pictured ‘coming out’ against lockdowns.

I’d wager the police are a weak link. As individuals, they must see what is unfolding….

I think we will see some snapping.

Views ?

324191 ▶▶ LMS2, replying to Bill H, 1, #929 of 931 🔗

I wish, but I don’t think so.

324262 ▶▶ OKUK, replying to Bill H, 1, #930 of 931 🔗

PCs are very PC these days. The enthusiasm with which they lay into lockdown sceptics is not entirely down to orders received.

324359 Binra, #931 of 931 🔗

QUESTION for MODS!

I am getting multiple confirm subscription to lockdown sceptics emails.
Are these EACH specific to a post where I have rememeberd to uncheck the don’t receive notification of replies?
Or is it teething problems?

Degrading the communication facility is part of the Great Brain Robbery.
I understand why you might want more protections against 77 ways to set people into doubt, division and diversions of delay and distraction so as to deny a consciousness from growing as a movement of recognition and integrative response.

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